| 00:00.03 | solitude| | i didnt say that, i said that there is open source software than runs on windows :/ |
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| 00:00.07 | solitude| | anyway, /me -< bed |
| 00:00.12 | tbamr | azeem, nevermind |
| 00:00.13 | solitude| | gnight |
| 00:00.20 | tbamr | solitude|, nite |
| 00:00.21 | rahul | fasta: nah, not really |
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| 00:00.36 | rahul | fasta: it just requires a true genius (e.g. Feynman) to explain it |
| 00:00.53 | rahul | solitude|: then you said nothing relevant to the discussion at hand |
| 00:01.02 | rahul | looks like you need some sleep, yes :) |
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| 00:01.04 | tbamr | !off-topic |
| 00:01.11 | tbamr | !offtopic |
| 00:01.11 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic |
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| 00:02.51 | beered | I can ssh in to a box, but I can't ping (IP or FQDN) from it. Resolvconf looks OK. |
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| 00:04.11 | x_link | blubberdiblub: No candidate version found for vlc |
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| 00:04.13 | x_link | I get that. |
| 00:04.27 | x_link | blubberdiblub: I commented out the multimedia repo, but it didn't help |
| 00:04.35 | blubberdiblub | beered: well, when you can't ping IPs either, it doesn't have to do with resolving then. maybe the pinged host drops ICMP echo requests, or the requests or replies get dropped somewhere in between |
| 00:04.42 | tbamr | beered, is your icmp packets being dropped at the other end ? check it |
| 00:04.59 | beered | tbamr: no, their are not dropped. I get error sending response: network unreachable |
| 00:05.41 | beered | tbamr: that's in a log of my server, in response from an external host quiering my DNS server. |
| 00:05.41 | tbamr | beered, no idea then |
| 00:05.51 | mick_home | beered: what happens when you try netcat? |
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| 00:06.20 | blubberdiblub | x_link: yeah, i checked the availability of the vlc package. doesn't seem to be in lenny. check my previous lines above ^. if they scrolled off, just ask me to suggest a possible solution again ;) |
| 00:06.21 | beered | mick_home: I get this wierd line: Cmd line: |
| 00:06.32 | beered | mick_home: : forward host lookup failed: Host name lookup failure |
| 00:06.50 | x_link | blubberdiblub: I don't see anything you wrote above? |
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| 00:07.11 | x_link | blubberdiblub: A irc-friend to me uses lenny, and he says that he has the same repo as I do. But he has vlc. |
| 00:07.21 | x_link | He can see it with "search" and he can install it. |
| 00:07.34 | blubberdiblub | x_link: okay, you may want to add etch repositories to your sources.list and edit /etc/apt/preferences so that lenny is preferred over etch |
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| 00:07.54 | x_link | blubberdiblub: Okej. |
| 00:08.43 | x_link | blubberdiblub: Just added etch, what should I do with /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 00:08.51 | blubberdiblub | x_link: well, if i run "apt-cache showpkg vlc | less" here, it tells me, that "vlc" is in sid, etch and sarge |
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| 00:09.01 | x_link | okej. |
| 00:09.11 | x_link | blubberdiblub: sudo nano /etc/apt/preferences? |
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| 00:09.39 | blubberdiblub | x_link: yeah, you may want to "man apt_preferences" first, if you're not into pinning yet |
| 00:09.54 | x_link | hrm |
| 00:10.00 | x_link | I think I will leave this alone. |
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| 00:10.04 | x_link | Don't want to mess upp anything. |
| 00:10.12 | transvaal_ | is there a debian java repository? |
| 00:10.17 | blubberdiblub | x_link: or i might think of a couple of lines for the preferences for you :) |
| 00:10.42 | x_link | blubberdiblub: Just did sudo aptitude search vlc, it finds it now when I have the etch repo. |
| 00:10.49 | x_link | Can I not just install it and then remove the etch repo? |
| 00:10.55 | x_link | That way I will get VLC. |
| 00:11.00 | x_link | Can't I just do like that? |
| 00:11.44 | blubberdiblub | x_link: well, maybe. but if you're unlucky, you will get some other packages from etch mixed in that vlc depends on |
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| 00:12.12 | x_link | Just tried sudo aptitude install vlc, it wants to install to many things. |
| 00:12.16 | x_link | So I choosed No. |
| 00:12.25 | x_link | Well well, I will leave this. |
| 00:12.34 | blubberdiblub | x_link: yeah, i suspected that |
| 00:12.43 | x_link | blubberdiblub: Better to leave it right? |
| 00:13.03 | x_link | Just that I like VLC alot, think it's a great player and have always used it. |
| 00:13.04 | blubberdiblub | x_link: yes, better safe than sorry |
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| 00:13.33 | x_link | blubberdiblub: Yeah. |
| 00:13.35 | blubberdiblub | x_link: well, you could try xine and the players than use the xine engine. it's rather decent |
| 00:13.36 | x_link | Thanks anyway. |
| 00:13.38 | nhuisman | if you were running debian as a service in a xen virtual machine would you have separate partitions? |
| 00:13.45 | nhuisman | ie for /var/, etc |
| 00:14.00 | nhuisman | perhaps a dhcp service, dns, etc |
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| 00:14.23 | dn4 | ok I have a bios that automatically has the bootup using an onboard VGA port, well that port is broken and when the system boots up I get nothing. Is there a way to scrap the current bios and install a different bios that allows for the AGP slot to become the current video card?? |
| 00:14.36 | x_link | I think that Lenny has been a bit odd since the new kernel came out. |
| 00:14.37 | blubberdiblub | x_link: or mplayer, which is said to play a lot of formats and codecs |
| 00:14.45 | titii | how create the .htacces password on the web? apache2 |
| 00:14.53 | x_link | blubberdiblub: Okej. |
| 00:14.59 | x_link | I will just use Totem for now. |
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| 00:16.57 | blubberdiblub | x_link: totem seems to use the xine engine also, so it should work with most stuff |
| 00:17.04 | x_link | Yeah |
| 00:17.12 | x_link | It's pretty late now. |
| 00:17.14 | x_link | Good night! |
| 00:17.25 | blubberdiblub | nite x_link |
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| 00:32.19 | level1 | Hi, when I resume from suspend, NetworkManager (and its front end KNetworkManager) don't recognize the graphics card anymore. If I killall NetworkManager and restart it, its fine. Has anyone heard of this issue? |
| 00:33.20 | testergg | Hi can anyone tell me why QSIZE="`/usr/sbin/postqueue -p | tail -1 | awk '{print $5}'`" if [ "0$QSIZE" > 50 ]; then the if is always true? Sorry if its a trivial question |
| 00:34.00 | testergg | This is using bash |
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| 00:34.36 | level1 | Also, my screen resolution is incorrect. my xorg.conf goes up to 1900x1200 and i have refresh rates set a 96Hz horizontal and vertical, but I my resolution is still 1600x1200. How do I "set" my resolution? Is there a trick? the kde gui doesn't let me go any higher than I already am |
| 00:34.37 | blubberdiblub | testergg: maybe try -gt instead of the > symbol |
| 00:34.57 | nhuisman | how do I specificy a dictionary file for cracklib? |
| 00:35.03 | testergg | blubberdiblub: I will try thanks |
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| 00:35.50 | testergg | blubberdiblub: gt: binary operator expected is what it returns |
| 00:36.22 | nhuisman | sorry, that's in /etc/cracklib.conf, I meant how do I install the english dictionary for debian? |
| 00:36.27 | nhuisman | it seems like all of them are for other languages |
| 00:36.36 | XxBMWxX | can someone give me the output of 'ls -la /usr/lib/ |grep libGL.so'? |
| 00:36.42 | blubberdiblub | level1: in the "Screen" section, in the "Display" subsection, is the "1900x1200" mode listet first? |
| 00:36.58 | level1 | blubberdiblub: no, only 1600x1200 is listed |
| 00:37.28 | blubberdiblub | level1: well, try inserting "1900x1200" in front of it |
| 00:37.47 | blubberdiblub | testergg: did you put a dash in front of the gt? |
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| 00:38.24 | blubberdiblub | testergg: like: if [ "0$QSIZE" -gt 50 ] |
| 00:38.29 | level1 | blubberdiblub: my mistake, 1900x1200 is listed first, and then about a dozen different values after that |
| 00:38.31 | subx | ive setup a postfix server, courier-imaps and squirrelmail on the same box. i can send mail and recieve mail on the box but squirrelmail cannot read it, how do i get squirrelmail and courier-imaps to read mail? |
| 00:38.38 | testergg | blubberdiblub: oops I'll try |
| 00:38.46 | level1 | blubberdiblub: if I make 1900x1200 the only option, can I force it to use that? |
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| 00:39.23 | level1 | btw, does anyone know if the r500 avivo drivers have surpassed vesa yet for ati r500 cards? |
| 00:40.21 | blubberdiblub | level1: you have 1600x1200 right now, right? is the screen panning when you get to the left and right margins with you pointer? |
| 00:40.31 | level1 | blubberdiblub: no |
| 00:40.50 | blubberdiblub | level1: then 1900x1200 doesn't work for some other reason |
| 00:41.11 | level1 | blubberdiblub: does vesa support resolutions that high? |
| 00:41.30 | blubberdiblub | level1: check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log if it says anything about the 1900x1200 thing. like why it doesn't use it or somesuch |
| 00:41.39 | level1 | blubberdiblub: with my graphics card, the alternative is fglrx |
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| 00:43.56 | Azar | xen merged into the 2.6.23 kernel |
| 00:44.02 | blubberdiblub | level1: there could be many reasons why it might not like the 1900x1200 mode. insuffices memory on your gfx card or unsupported refresh rates are just two examples |
| 00:44.14 | blubberdiblub | insuffices -> insufficient |
| 00:44.27 | level1 | blubberdiblub: (II) VESA(0): Not using mode "1920x1200" (no mode of this name) |
| 00:44.31 | level1 | what's that? |
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| 00:45.14 | blubberdiblub | level1: ah, then, if you're sure your card and monitor support than mode, you'd have to put a modeline defining it in your xorg.conf |
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| 00:45.46 | level1 | blubberdiblub: mode line? |
| 00:46.02 | alp_ | i've a question about fetchmail |
| 00:46.27 | tessa-- | need a suggestion not directly debian-related: looking for a content management system that will let me run multiple blogs on multiple domains through a unified system. separate UIs and logins for each blog are sub-optimal but acceptable; a single software installation to maintain for upgrades and fixes is required. ability to support multiple domains is required. this runs on debian etch. |
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| 00:46.38 | level1 | blubberdiblub: like Screen>Display>Modes"1920x1200" "1680x1050" "1600x1200" "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1200x800" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" |
| 00:46.56 | level1 | irc trimmed the spaces |
| 00:47.22 | blubberdiblub | level1: no. that's not what i mean, normally X gets the _potential_ modes from a) the EDID of your monitor + b) from the VESA standard + c) from hardcoded defaults |
| 00:48.29 | blubberdiblub | level1: the Modes line in the Display subsection lists only the modes you want, not the modes that exist. you can make a new Section "Modes" and add Modeline lines yourself to define additional modes |
| 00:49.26 | level1 | blubberdiblub: so, Section "Modes" / 1920x1200 / EndSections ... like that? |
| 00:50.04 | blubberdiblub | level1: no, it's not that simple, unfortunately. hold on a bit, i'll paste my old modelines as example |
| 00:50.48 | blinx | is there any possibility to auto shutdown my system if the cpu usage is ~ 0 % like my system is idle? |
| 00:51.40 | level1 | blinx: |
| 00:51.50 | blinx | level1: yes? |
| 00:51.58 | level1 | blinx: you could write a script, or you could use suspend/hibernate |
| 00:52.16 | blinx | ok |
| 00:52.25 | level1 | blinx: does you computer suspend/hibernate properly? sometimes is a chore in linux |
| 00:52.32 | blinx | where I can get the usage of the cpu ? |
| 00:52.36 | blinx | level1: no idea |
| 00:52.46 | level1 | blinx: I think theres some info in /proc |
| 00:52.56 | level1 | blinx: do you use gnome or kde? |
| 00:52.56 | blubberdiblub | level1: http://pastebin.com/m37c6292b but just as example. i can't help you with big modes like you need, unfortunately :/ |
| 00:53.28 | level1 | blubberdiblub: what is all that data? |
| 00:53.32 | blinx | xfce |
| 00:53.37 | blinx | level1: and more gnome |
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| 00:54.12 | level1 | blinx: there should be an applet that will automatically hibernate or suspend your computer. KDE has a real nice program, I don't know about the rest |
| 00:54.20 | blinx | kshutdown |
| 00:54.32 | level1 | blinx: no, I was thinking kpowersave? |
| 00:54.34 | blinx | but it only can wait until a process is ended |
| 00:54.40 | blinx | hrm |
| 00:54.45 | blinx | never tested it |
| 00:54.46 | noname2u | hi all |
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| 00:55.25 | blubberdiblub | level1: first is the dot clock, then horiz. disp size, hsyncstart. hsyncend, htotal, vertic. display size, vsyncstart, vsyncend, vtotal and then options, like how to sync |
| 00:55.48 | Azar | WoW this guy upgraded his woody kernel to 2.6.22!! |
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| 00:56.22 | level1 | blubberdiblub: I guess this can't be done automagically? |
| 00:56.49 | blinx | hm |
| 00:56.54 | blinx | no better way? |
| 00:57.00 | blubberdiblub | level1: well, the usual way would be, that your monitor provides all the modes that it supports with its EDID. then it would be automatical |
| 00:57.04 | blinx | where I can get the current cpu usage ? |
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| 00:57.14 | blinx | in proc is nothing with current cpu usage |
| 00:57.20 | level1 | blubberdiblub: well, its a laptop |
| 00:57.56 | testergg | blubberdiblub: looks good, thanks for your quick help |
| 00:58.00 | blubberdiblub | level1: that doesn't matter. the monitor still would have to tell the card/box what it supports |
| 00:58.01 | level1 | blubberdiblub: this worked "automagically" with ubuntu, but I was using fglrx |
| 00:58.39 | blubberdiblub | level1: oh, then maybe the vesa driver doesn't read the EDID for some reason |
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| 00:59.38 | blubberdiblub | level1: have you already tried the fglrx? debian has packages for that which are preferable over the binary from ati |
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| 01:00.13 | bolder | hhi all |
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| 01:00.50 | level1 | blubberdiblub: I'm not sure if I want to go through all that... I'm sure the debian packages may be marginally better than the ubuntu packages, but fglrx is fglrx |
| 01:00.59 | level1 | its really not worth it |
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| 01:01.09 | blinx | level1: hm, how can I say my script to check something each 2nd second? |
| 01:01.40 | mick_home | anyone else have issues w/ iceweasel not loading pages? i had this issue before with FF - now it is randomly coming up again for me |
| 01:01.42 | level1 | blinx: create a loop, check, and then sleep for 2000ms... do you know how to do that? |
| 01:01.47 | blubberdiblub | level1: well, anyway, what does the /var/log/Xorg.0.log say about EDID? nothing at all, or some failure messages? |
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| 01:01.55 | blinx | level1: maybe :) |
| 01:02.09 | phogg | blinx: man sleep |
| 01:02.10 | Azar | mick_home: firefox here, same issue... long delays in loading "some" pages |
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| 01:02.30 | tessa-- | need a suggestion not directly debian-related: looking for a content management system that will let me run multiple blogs on multiple domains through a unified system. separate UIs and logins for each blog are sub-optimal but acceptable; a single software installation to maintain for upgrades and fixes is required. ability to support multiple domains is required. this runs on debian etch. |
| 01:02.39 | level1 | blubberdiblub: my old ubuntu xorg.conf has some modeline data, can I copy pasta it? |
| 01:02.54 | mick_home | Azar: yup same thing. i guess i'll just use konqueror for now |
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| 01:03.08 | mick_home | Azar: btw - how are things for you? |
| 01:03.26 | Azar | mick_home: I would assume is not a browser issue, but some websites server issues >> out there |
| 01:03.37 | mick_home | Azar: i'll move this to a /msg actually |
| 01:03.43 | Azar | mick_home: oh my things are cool... |
| 01:03.50 | level1 | blubberdiblub: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EDID return 2 lines, but they don't look like errors |
| 01:03.56 | blubberdiblub | level1: usually yes, but you might have to adjust the Indentifier in the Section "Modes" to match the UseModes line in Section "Monitor" (which you would have to create) |
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| 01:05.14 | level1 | blubberdiblub: what does that mean? |
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| 01:05.25 | blinx | level1: I forgot how I can remove the % from 48,9% ... can you give me a hint? |
| 01:06.06 | level1 | blinx: you mean your getting a peice of text that says "48,9%" and you want "48,9"? |
| 01:06.13 | blubberdiblub | level1: well, you have to link the monitor section to the modes section somehow. so, for example, in your Section "Monitor" put a line UseModes "foo" and in Section "Modes" it das to say Identifier "foo" |
| 01:06.19 | level1 | blinx: you use commas for periods, are you european? |
| 01:06.27 | blubberdiblub | das -> has |
| 01:06.32 | blinx | level1: yes |
| 01:06.44 | blinx | level1: it is very late |
| 01:06.56 | blubberdiblub | blinx: i agree ;) |
| 01:07.12 | level1 | blinx: I know how to do it in perl, but not bash... sometimes there very similar, but no always |
| 01:07.13 | blinx | level1: can you give me a hint how to realize the script as fast as possible? |
| 01:07.31 | blinx | level1: then give me a script which works in perl |
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| 01:08.31 | level1 | blinx: the line would be something like $proc ~ s/%//g I think... |
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| 01:09.00 | Swat2 | Is there any way to monitor the inbound bandwidth to a vhost w/ apache? |
| 01:09.02 | level1 | blinx: I really don't know |
| 01:09.14 | kev_b | can anyone tell me the best way to set up a network like this: router->ubuntu_box->windows_box where the ubuntu_box has 2 interfaces. I don't want to do ip masquerading per se, but rather to have the ubuntu_box behave like a switch, so that windows_box gets assigned an IP by the router and is visible to the rest of the network attached to the router |
| 01:09.17 | blubberdiblub | level1: sorry if i confused you. seems like one can put the modeline's directly into the Section "Monitor" ... but i always preferred to keep them separate |
| 01:09.53 | level1 | blubberdiblub: oh good... thats great, because thats how the old ubuntu script was configured, so I can just copy pasta. Thanks! |
| 01:10.36 | Azar | pasta with cheese? |
| 01:11.03 | level1 | Azar: copy pasta, as in, "long stories are copy pasta"... rules of the internet |
| 01:11.32 | Azar | what is copy >> "pasta" ? |
| 01:11.45 | level1 | Azar: its a pun on copy paste |
| 01:11.56 | Azar | aaaahhhh... I seee... :) |
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| 01:13.57 | blubberdiblub | key_b: you would have to do bridging (would need to be configured into the kernel). or maybe proxy_arp might work as well, but that probably fails for DHCP ... :/ |
| 01:13.57 | level1 | hmm... I still have 1600x1200 |
| 01:14.22 | blubberdiblub | level1: check the Xorg.0.log again. what does it say about the 1920x1200 mode now? |
| 01:14.48 | level1 | (II) VESA(0): Not using mode "1920x1200" (no mode of this name) |
| 01:15.03 | level1 | (II) VESA(0): Modeline "1920x1200" 162.00 1920 1968 2000 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250 -hsync -vsync |
| 01:15.15 | level1 | and some other stuff |
| 01:15.42 | blubberdiblub | level1: hmm, and somewhere before, does it say something about that modeline in the log? like hsync out of range or not supported or similar? |
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| 01:18.08 | kev_b | blubberdiblub: do you think proxy_arp would work for * other than dhcp? is it difficult to set up? |
| 01:18.14 | Azar | it is official (by me): firefox , iceweasel is 10 times slower to load webpages than links! |
| 01:18.19 | blubberdiblub | level1: "some other stuff"? what exactly? or just paste the Xorg.0.log somewhere ;) |
| 01:18.28 | blinx | ttp://nopaste.debianforum.de/6272 |
| 01:18.30 | tessa-- | need a suggestion not directly debian-related: looking for a content management system that will let me run multiple blogs on multiple domains through a unified system. separate UIs and logins for each blog are sub-optimal but acceptable; a single software installation to maintain for upgrades and fixes is required. ability to support multiple domains is required. this runs on debian etch. |
| 01:18.32 | Azar | !praise links |
| 01:18.40 | blinx | http://nopaste.debianforum.de/6272 what is wrong there? |
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| 01:19.01 | Azar | tessa--: obviously if nobody answered is because "we don't know" |
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| 01:19.55 | blubberdiblub | kev_b: proxy_arp should work for normal TCP and UDP, yes, as long as it's not broadcast. but i figured you would need DHCP, when you want the box to get assigned an IP, right? but otherwise, setting up masquerading is not that hard, either |
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| 01:20.11 | tessa-- | Azar: Obviously lots of people come and go from the channel, and come and go from afk, and might not have seen my previous requests. Thus, 5-10 minute intervals aren't especially unreasonable. |
| 01:20.49 | Azar | tessa--: sorry, I did not ment to sound "rude" just waved a "hi I hear you" comment :) |
| 01:21.13 | level1 | tessa--: have you tried in other channel? #linux , etc? |
| 01:21.36 | Azar | tessa--: starting friday night until monday morning is the "newbie" weekend here |
| 01:21.40 | tessa-- | level1: no, as I typically don't frequent there and it didn't occur to me. Thank you for your suggestion. |
| 01:22.31 | kev_b | blubberdiblub: actually, i can do without dhcp if necessary, it would have been a plus tho. I already set up masquerading but my windows_box is not visible to the router, only to my ubuntu_box |
| 01:22.39 | blubberdiblub | kev_b: the ipmasq package should help you set up masquerading. while bridging and proxyarp are in fact quite advanced techniques, thus would not recommend |
| 01:22.57 | level1 | blubberdiblub: http://rafb.net/p/MlhhOS49.html <- thats my xorg.conf and my xorg.0.log |
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| 01:23.15 | kev_b | blubberdiblub: ah, maybe i have not set up masquerading properly and misunderstood what it does |
| 01:23.31 | blinx | cu |
| 01:23.33 | blinx | good night |
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| 01:24.21 | blubberdiblub | kev_b: well, why do you need your windows box to be accessible from your router? do you run any services on it? like a web server? |
| 01:26.20 | kev_b | blubberdiblub: yeah, it runs a vnc server and is for connecting into from linux to run some windows-only stuff... the reason why i have the physical setup like this is that these two machines have only 1 wire going to them and i cannot install another, they are both basically servers in the attic |
| 01:27.06 | kev_b | blubberdiblub: my other option is a ssh-tunnel or similar through the ubuntu_box, but that seems sub-optimal |
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| 01:27.54 | blubberdiblub | level1: well, all seems set up alright. thus you may be right, the vesa driver might not support anything larger 1600x1200 by definition :/ |
| 01:28.49 | blubberdiblub | kev_b: you could set up your linux box, to forward incoming traffic on the VNC port to your windows box, then there'd be no need for tunnelling |
| 01:28.59 | level1 | blubberdiblub: yes, that sounds likely... I wonder if I should tarnish my otherwise very peaceful debian experience with fglrx, or just wait for r500 avivo to mature |
| 01:29.32 | level1 | anybody know how the r500 avivio drivers are going? I think they should be done in a couple of months, eh? |
| 01:30.39 | kev_b | blubberdiblub: oh yeah, that would work : ) |
| 01:30.49 | kev_b | blubberdiblub: gonna try that now |
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| 01:32.11 | d00gster | guys I'm running on debian and have a mobo with a built in intel video card (82865G Integrated) I bought a vga-rca|svid adaptor hoping to spit the signal on rca to me tv. I installed xserver-xorg-video-intel xserver-xorg-video-intel-dbg and configured my xorg with the interactive configurator. I was hoping that someone can tell me how to get the signal on rca. |
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| 01:33.29 | blubberdiblub | level1: and the log also states, that the monitor does indeed provide the 1920x1200 mode via EDID, as one can expect from well behaved devices. so if the vesa driver supported it, it should have worked in the first place without adding any modelines |
| 01:34.13 | Azar | guys where should I complain , protest, kick about my firefox not loading sites, pages? it is OBESE or what? |
| 01:34.21 | level1 | blubberdiblub: I see... so, its just not possible with vesa? |
| 01:34.51 | blubberdiblub | level1: if we don't miss some other important point, yes, very probable |
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| 01:39.03 | blubberdiblub | level1: oh, but wait, the modelines couldn't have worked together with the screen section. the ubuntu generated ones have the refresh rate added to their identification. you might try changing all "1920x1200" in the Section "Screen" to "1920x1200@60" or "1920x1200@75", tho i still doubt that it would work |
| 01:39.11 | pm2 | Hi - I'm using mod_dav on Apache2. When I try to access the vhost I have setup with webdav, I get a 500 error. In the logs, I see: The locks could not be queried for verification against a possible "If:" header. [500, #0] ---- Could not open the lock database. [500, #400] ---- (13)Permission denied: Could not open property database. [500, #1] -- Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? |
| 01:39.40 | blubberdiblub | level1: but it's worth a try, there's nothing to lose ;) |
| 01:39.57 | dondelelcaro | pm2: whatever user the webserver is running as doesn't have permissions to access whatever database it's trying to access. |
| 01:40.16 | level1 | blubberdiblub: I think I can install radeon drivers that work with my card... I might try that |
| 01:40.19 | simonrvn | pm2: needs to be able to write to the dav lock file |
| 01:40.28 | pm2 | simonrvn, does that have a default location? |
| 01:41.23 | level1 | blubberdiblub: will I notice the difference between 1920x1200@60 and @75? also, will my modeline still work if i change it to @75, or do I have to fix it? |
| 01:41.25 | simonrvn | try looking in the /etc/apache2/mods-available/dav*.conf files |
| 01:41.41 | pm2 | ok, thanks |
| 01:42.09 | dondelelcaro | d00gster: really depends on the card, but looking at the driver manpage, I don't see an option to select the output. |
| 01:42.10 | simonrvn | if not just set one up in your vhost witha nice little ifmodule section |
| 01:42.14 | simonrvn | pm2: ^^^ |
| 01:42.20 | dondelelcaro | d00gster: you may try searching google if someone doesn't know specifically about your card |
| 01:42.27 | blubberdiblub | level1: hmm, i don't quite understand what you're trying to say. you already defined both of the modelines. you can select one of them in the Screen section |
| 01:43.11 | level1 | blubberdiblub: I only see one modeline, ModeLine "1920x1200@60" 193.2 1920 2048 2256 2592 1200 1201 1204 1242 -hsync +vsync |
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| 01:43.20 | blubberdiblub | level1: you could even put both there and then switch through all possible modes via Ctrl+Alt+NumpadPlus |
| 01:43.25 | d00gster | I did google without luck |
| 01:43.31 | pm2 | simonrvn, I'll do that - thanks |
| 01:43.43 | blubberdiblub | level1: and above that line? |
| 01:43.47 | level1 | blubberdiblub: lol... its a laptop, I don't have a number pad, but thats funny |
| 01:43.53 | level1 | blubberdiblub: VertRefresh43-96 |
| 01:43.58 | bolt | I do "ssh 192.168.2.9 uptime | grep Hello" where Hello is the banner 192.168.2.9 gives me between the username and password questions, and I get just "Hello". Without grep, I get "Hello", then the uptime on the next line. With grep -v, I still get both lines. Why? |
| 01:44.20 | jair | guys if I have debian sarge a machine I haven't turn on in long time... do I need to chage the sourse.lst? name to sarge instead "stable"? |
| 01:44.21 | blubberdiblub | level1: well, i meant the xorg.conf you pasted |
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| 01:45.17 | level1 | blubberdiblub: golly jeez, I posted the wrong xorg.conf, that was my ubuntu xorg.conf |
| 01:45.59 | blubberdiblub | level1: ah, that may explain why it has so many monitor sections ;) |
| 01:46.23 | level1 | blubberdiblub: http://rafb.net/p/i7UMV471.html |
| 01:46.47 | level1 | blubberdiblub: I tried to attach a television... apparently, fglrx likes to render your computer unbootable when you do that |
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| 01:48.10 | blubberdiblub | level1: okay, there the modeline and the reference to it match ... so if it doesn't work there, we're apparently out of luck |
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| 01:48.53 | level1 | blubberdiblub: oh, sorry, I modified it to be correct when you suggest it |
| 01:48.57 | level1 | blubberdiblub: let me try it |
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| 01:51.40 | blubberdiblub | level1: what happened? |
| 01:51.46 | level1 | blubberdiblub: nothing |
| 01:51.55 | level1 | blubberdiblub: so, I'm going to try radeon drivers |
| 01:52.04 | blubberdiblub | alright |
| 01:52.16 | level1 | blubberdiblub: I can't find them in apt, do you know what they're called? |
| 01:53.18 | Azar | sorry for the o/t but it is disturbing: gentoo foundation might vanish... |
| 01:53.22 | blubberdiblub | level1: sure, xserver-xorg-video-ati |
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| 01:54.22 | nhuisman | has anyone used pam_tmpdir.so before? |
| 01:54.22 | level1 | blubberdiblub: can I apt-get that package? Is there any post configuration that I should have to do, like modprobing, or can I just restart X? |
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| 01:54.30 | nhuisman | trying to determine if I want to use it |
| 01:55.05 | blubberdiblub | level1: apt-get, yep. and for setting up, put it into your xorg.conf ;) |
| 01:55.42 | blubberdiblub | level1: i.e. replace driver "vesa" by driver "radeon" |
| 01:55.47 | Azar | Editing Basics for the xorg.conf file: http://www.linux.com/feature/118108 |
| 01:55.58 | level1 | blubberdiblub: thats it? |
| 01:56.06 | level1 | Azar: I'll bookmark that, thanks |
| 01:56.25 | blubberdiblub | level1: usually yes, tho you might wish to fine tune it with some options |
| 01:57.32 | level1 | blubberdiblub: do you know how to get xv? I'm a little unclear on what that is, but somebody said it would speed up video playback, and thats pretty important to me |
| 01:57.37 | blubberdiblub | level1: like forcing the AGP rate, forcing AGP FastWrite, or forcing flat panel if it doesn't autodetect it |
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| 01:58.19 | level1 | blubberdiblub: okay, I'm going to try radeon now |
| 01:58.35 | blubberdiblub | level1: sorry, don't know what that is. surely it doesn't refer to the x image viewer ... |
| 01:58.48 | Azar | level1: hmmm the xorg.conf file edited by hand is not "quite recommended" you can see the warning on the header , and it is said that when you upgrade your system, your settings might be replaced back with the defaults... or render xorg not workable |
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| 01:59.35 | blubberdiblub | Azar: most experienced users edit it by hand. and i figure i'm talking to an experienced user ... |
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| 02:00.04 | Azar | blubberdiblub: I am talking about Debian in particular, I don't care about ubuntu or other distros...they are nothing like Debian |
| 02:00.38 | Azar | blubberdiblub: with debian you have the tools to configure xorg, and the command is simple: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 02:01.15 | blubberdiblub | Azar: yeah, i know that. but that only works when you have common hardware. if you don't, you're quite screwed using only that |
| 02:01.38 | Azar | blubberdiblub: let's see how you gonna help him when he updates |
| 02:01.45 | Azar | cuz gonna break |
| 02:01.52 | Azar | be there for him when it happens |
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| 02:02.43 | premier_ | this is level1 |
| 02:02.51 | premier_ | my X didn't start |
| 02:03.03 | MajorPayne | Is there anyway I can add execute permissions only to directorys with chmod and the -R option? |
| 02:03.08 | premier_ | It didn't look like there was an error, it just didn't start |
| 02:03.10 | Azar | blubberdiblub: in fact this is the cycle: newbies come to get advice on weekends here from other newbies... during the week things screw up, and next weekend the newbies come back to get advice from other newbies.... and on and on.. |
| 02:03.37 | Azar | premier_: congratulations, have blubberdiblub advice you further.. |
| 02:03.46 | blubberdiblub | premier_: anything in the log? |
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| 02:05.24 | premier_ | blubberdiblub: my wireless driver keeps spewing stuff on root's terminal |
| 02:05.30 | premier_ | I don't know why |
| 02:05.30 | Riff_ | Does postfix version 2.2.10 have support for dovecot as sasl? |
| 02:05.30 | degantyll | Riff_: asl is a crime punishable by death. --> http://www.stopasl.com |
| 02:05.44 | Riff_ | heh |
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| 02:06.14 | blubberdiblub | premier_: well, seems like the radeon driver won't do then |
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| 02:06.52 | premier_ | blubberdiblub: every few seconds, "ipw3945: ERROR: No TX rate available." is printed to the screen about 5 times |
| 02:06.55 | premier_ | blu |
| 02:07.14 | premier_ | blubberdiblub: this is in the console... I don't think it has anything to do with xorg |
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| 02:07.44 | CppIsWeird_ | is there an app that will test hard drive throughput? |
| 02:07.52 | blubberdiblub | premier_: yeah, but maybe the radeon driver interferes badly with your hardware |
| 02:07.57 | premier_ | can I suppress error output or something? |
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| 02:08.14 | premier_ | well, my wireless driver is making it difficult to find out |
| 02:08.24 | blubberdiblub | premier_: sure, try echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/printk |
| 02:10.09 | bolt | is there a universal way to figure out what distro a box is running? |
| 02:10.25 | premier_ | blu |
| 02:10.50 | blubberdiblub | yes? |
| 02:10.50 | Riff_ | CppIsWeird, as in show you how much mb your disk reads? |
| 02:11.05 | premier_ | blubberdiblub: I hate this irc client... anyway, I get an error that says "(EE) No devices detected" ... theres some stuff before it too |
| 02:11.53 | blubberdiblub | yeah, seems like the radeon driver doesn't recognize your card |
| 02:11.58 | CppIsWeird | Riff: and writes, yes. |
| 02:12.36 | blubberdiblub | premier_: you're probably best off reverting back to vesa for now |
| 02:13.01 | Riff_ | hdparm -tT /dev/disk where disk gets replace by your drive... like /dev/sda |
| 02:13.06 | premier_ | blubberdiblub: okay, if kdm tried to run and failed, how do I get it running again? |
| 02:13.52 | blubberdiblub | premier_: /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 02:14.12 | blubberdiblub | premier_: but i suggest rebooting, to see if the wireless error goes away then |
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| 02:15.37 | Riff_ | CppIsWeird, did it work as you expected? |
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| 02:16.45 | Niriven | !ationeliner |
| 02:16.48 | Gnu_Raiz | should not need to reboot, |
| 02:16.52 | Niriven | Hmm. |
| 02:17.03 | Niriven | How do iget that ati one liner install? :) |
| 02:17.04 | Gnu_Raiz | just restart the service |
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| 02:19.22 | Azar | Niriven: /msg dpkg fglrx one-liner |
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| 02:20.06 | Azar | Niriven: for more info /msg dpkg ati one-liner |
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| 02:22.39 | CppIsWeird | Riff_: that should suffice, now how do i figure out what drives are designated as? :P |
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| 02:22.58 | level1 | hi blubberdiblub... I got vesa working again |
| 02:23.16 | level1 | on little trip to vim and everything's happy again! |
| 02:23.57 | blubberdiblub | level1: very well. have you rebooted? in order to check if the radeon driver caused the wireless to spit out the errors |
| 02:24.33 | level1 | blubberdiblub: oh, no I didn't, sorry |
| 02:25.07 | inetd_ | http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=200705290447101280x800str2.png |
| 02:25.08 | inetd_ | does anyone know what font is on that screenie? |
| 02:25.38 | level1 | inetd_: super sans lite |
| 02:25.45 | level1 | inetd_: no, I'm kidding |
| 02:25.48 | Coweater | anyone know the magic incantations to make jackd work when it says http://rafb.net/p/qlos8F88.html ? |
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| 02:32.34 | CppIsWeird | i just plugged in a usb hard drive that has one ntfs partition, now what do i do in order to access it? |
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| 02:33.18 | Gnu_Raiz | mount it |
| 02:33.37 | CppIsWeird | discriptive. |
| 02:33.48 | phogg | descriptive |
| 02:33.59 | CppIsWeird | sweet, spell check comes with the room. |
| 02:34.08 | phogg | CppIsWeird: mount it with -o uid=youruser |
| 02:34.41 | Gnu_Raiz | are you wanting to write to the ntfs partition. |
| 02:35.11 | phogg | CppIsWeird: mount /dev/hdwhatever /mnt/location -o uid=100 # if you're making an entry in fstab add the users option |
| 02:35.12 | CppIsWeird | hmm... dont think i need it, i intend to copy everything and reformat it |
| 02:35.23 | CppIsWeird | how do i find what dev it is? |
| 02:35.30 | phogg | where 100 is your user's uid |
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| 02:35.50 | phogg | CppIsWeird: do you know how it's jumpered? Primary slave? Is it IDE or SATA? |
| 02:36.30 | CppIsWeird | nope, however, i dont see how that matters, it is a perpackaged usb hard drive. |
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| 02:36.39 | CppIsWeird | from what i can tell from device manager its /dev/sg1 |
| 02:36.40 | blubberdiblub | i'm off to bed, good night |
| 02:36.51 | phogg | CppIsWeird: then it's probably sdsomething |
| 02:36.55 | Gnu_Raiz | check your dmesg, should tell you what it is. |
| 02:37.02 | project9 | how do i update nessus plug-ins |
| 02:37.04 | phogg | CppIsWeird: ls /ss/block/ |
| 02:37.10 | phogg | CppIsWeird: oops, ls /sys/block |
| 02:37.36 | CppIsWeird | ram0-15 sda and sr0 |
| 02:37.49 | phogg | CppIsWeird: your root disk is probably sda |
| 02:37.57 | CppIsWeird | yes, one would assume so. |
| 02:37.58 | phogg | CppIsWeird: so sr0 is most likely it |
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| 02:38.10 | CppIsWeird | never seen the sr prefix |
| 02:38.14 | CppIsWeird | what does that mean? |
| 02:38.35 | phogg | CppIsWeird: something scsi-related, I think |
| 02:38.50 | Gnu_Raiz | if you want something auto mounted you need to check out ivman, and also pmount. |
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| 02:39.25 | CppIsWeird | i just dont wanna fuck something up. |
| 02:39.29 | CppIsWeird | :P |
| 02:39.29 | phogg | auto-mounted? I don't know about you, but the less my computer does automatically the happier I am |
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| 02:40.00 | CppIsWeird | one would generally agree, but automounting seems to be a good idea. |
| 02:40.06 | Gnu_Raiz | sure I use fluxbox and rox, works great for flash drives. |
| 02:40.08 | CppIsWeird | actually, i take that back |
| 02:40.14 | Gnu_Raiz | or anything not in fstab. |
| 02:40.17 | CppIsWeird | its annoyed mes ometimes |
| 02:40.23 | CppIsWeird | *sometimes |
| 02:40.27 | phogg | "Automatic" is another way to say "Please guess what I want and then do it without asking me, giving me no way to cancelo the operation and while you're at it screw up related and unrelated things." |
| 02:40.54 | CppIsWeird | right, i will have to agree with that. |
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| 02:41.11 | Gnu_Raiz | that all depends never had a problem, unless its in gnome. |
| 02:41.30 | CppIsWeird | unfortunately it is, which im learning was not a great choice. |
| 02:42.19 | Gnu_Raiz | ivman is pretty good, and so is pmount. |
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| 02:44.23 | Gnu_Raiz | so what did your dmesg tell you. |
| 02:44.44 | CppIsWeird | umm |
| 02:44.54 | CppIsWeird | i think sr0 is my CDrom |
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| 02:46.15 | PhilFX | hi. how to check the config parameters? like --with-mysql |
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| 02:47.42 | nhuisman | man, the security debian guide needs to be updated |
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| 02:48.52 | dondelelcaro | nhuisman: consider yourself volunteered |
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| 02:49.02 | nhuisman | yeah I know |
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| 02:50.42 | Gnu_Raiz | Oh just remember the package if your working with a lot of ntfs stuff you need ntfs-3g package. |
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| 02:50.59 | CppIsWeird | i dont seem to see my usb drive as a device |
| 02:52.11 | nhuisman | hmm the entire section about login.defs is obsolete |
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| 02:54.23 | Shadow__7 | Coweater: is artsd or esd running? I normally run jackd with $ jackd -d alsa -d hw:0,0 -s -S -r 48000 |
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| 02:55.53 | nhuisman | dondelelcaro: |
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| 02:56.11 | nhuisman | what's the difference between limiting root logins in sshd_config, or limiting via /etc/security/access.conf |
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| 02:56.23 | Coweater | Shadow_7: neither are running, a command like that gives the same error |
| 02:56.25 | Shadow_7 | CppIsWeird: does your usb drive show up in /proc/partitions? |
| 02:56.41 | Shadow_7 | Coweater: are your alsa modules loaded? |
| 02:57.40 | Shadow_7 | i.e. does sound work without jackd? |
| 02:57.47 | dondelelcaro | nhuisman: the first is specific to sshd, the second limits via pam |
| 02:58.02 | nhuisman | yeah just sort of realized that |
| 02:58.09 | nhuisman | so i guess the pam one has more versatility |
| 02:58.20 | Coweater | yes |
| 02:58.22 | nhuisman | but really what other services use the "root" user ? |
| 02:58.28 | nhuisman | that is a login |
| 02:58.30 | nhuisman | ftp? |
| 02:58.46 | nhuisman | which I of course don't have. |
| 02:58.59 | nhuisman | I guess it's for more complex situations |
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| 03:00.14 | Shadow_7 | Coweater: does /proc/asound/ stuffs show that you have a capture device? |
| 03:01.35 | Coweater | it might've but i just ran alsaconf and it broke everything |
| 03:02.09 | Shadow_7 | cat /proc/asound/devices |
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| 03:02.51 | Shadow_7 | Coweater: perhaps /etc/init.d/alsasound restart might help? |
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| 03:04.03 | Coweater | there is no alsasound there |
| 03:04.16 | PhilFX | can someone give me a hint with cURL-installation? |
| 03:04.39 | Shadow_7 | your distro might use some other name. /etc/init.d/asound restart ? |
| 03:05.03 | Shadow_7 | Coweater: assuming you installed some sort of alsa-base package. |
| 03:05.14 | CppIsWeird | when i plug in my usb drive, i get these last 4 lines in dmesg: [47139.660000] usb-storage: device found at 18 [47139.660000] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning [47139.792000] usb 1-5: USB disconnect, address 18 [47161.956000] usb 1-5: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 19 |
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| 03:05.39 | CppIsWeird | which would lead me to believe something has run amuck |
| 03:05.45 | nhuisman | dondelelcaro: do you think it would be possible to use the FAKE_SHELL setting in login.defs to run the script command to fork a logging shell |
| 03:05.54 | nhuisman | so I could log all commands on all incoming sessions |
| 03:06.14 | dondelelcaro | it's possible, but it's a hideously bad idea |
| 03:06.19 | nhuisman | hehe |
| 03:06.28 | nhuisman | I guess i'll play with acct |
| 03:06.30 | microd | usb memorystick won't mount, fstab has ntfs entry and it shows up in computer on desktop. can i past error msg in #flood? |
| 03:06.42 | nhuisman | that would be your suggestion, correct? |
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| 03:08.18 | Coweater | Shadow_7: ok, i got it reloaded, devices shows one capture device, 24: [ 0- 0]: digital audio capture |
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| 03:08.59 | Shadow_7 | does jackd work now? |
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| 03:09.17 | Coweater | no |
| 03:09.50 | Shadow_7 | CppIsWeird: I have "usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage" |
| 03:10.14 | Shadow_7 | CppIsWeird: and "usbcore: registered new interface driver ub" |
| 03:10.50 | CppIsWeird | what does this mean? does this mean my device is bad or that linux just isnt having things work correctly? i havent plugged this in in quite some time. I should hope that for some unknown reason this drive has not gone bad |
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| 03:11.57 | Shadow_7 | you might need to dosfsck the device. |
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| 03:12.36 | CppIsWeird | how can i do that when i cant even find the device |
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| 03:13.49 | Shadow_7 | did you load the sg modules? |
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| 03:14.38 | Shadow_7 | modprobe sg sd_mod scsi_mod sr_mod usbcore usb_uhci usb_ehci usb_storage |
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| 03:18.19 | CppIsWeird | Shadow_7, that didnt seem to change anything. |
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| 03:19.19 | Shadow_7 | you may need to rmmod usb-storage and then modprobe it again. |
| 03:19.33 | Shadow_7 | and/or unplug/replug the usb drive. |
| 03:21.44 | kev_b | is there a good vnc client that supports file transfer? i don't think xvncviewer does it... |
| 03:21.55 | Shadow_7 | the device/partition should show up in /proc/partitions when everything works. |
| 03:22.11 | nhuisman | dondelelcaro: have you ever used snoopy? seems somewhat useful for basic command logging. |
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| 03:23.25 | CppIsWeird | doesnt seem to be |
| 03:23.26 | Shadow_7 | isn't snoopy a windows app? for reverse engineering usb events to make linux usb drivers or some such thing. |
| 03:23.28 | CppIsWeird | this is what i get |
| 03:23.29 | CppIsWeird | http://pastebin.com/d3575e737 |
| 03:23.41 | CppIsWeird | doing that modprobe gave me more info |
| 03:23.48 | CppIsWeird | like that its loading the usb drivers and stuff |
| 03:23.51 | CppIsWeird | didnt get that before |
| 03:24.00 | CppIsWeird | but it still randomly says the drive is disconnected |
| 03:24.25 | nhuisman | Shadow_7: no, it is a hook that shows all executed commands for a linux user |
| 03:24.38 | nhuisman | there may be one for windows named the same thing though |
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| 03:25.24 | keram | hello |
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| 03:25.34 | keram | i was here earlier but i left |
| 03:25.50 | keram | i had the ubuntu, and the 2.6.22 kernel |
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| 03:27.10 | keram | Kernel Makefile not found at '/lib/modules/2.6.22-8-generic/source' |
| 03:27.23 | keram | thats the error i get when i do make in iwlwifi-0.1.2 |
| 03:28.11 | craigevil | keram in ubuntu or Debian? |
| 03:28.17 | keram | ubuntu |
| 03:28.44 | keram | there isnt even a directory 'source' in /lib/modules/2.6.22-8/ |
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| 03:28.59 | fmoo | hey, how do I install the libc development headers? |
| 03:29.16 | Shadow_7 | apt-get install libc6-dev |
| 03:29.29 | fmoo | thanks Shadow_7 |
| 03:29.53 | Shadow_7 | or whatever it's called? dpkg -l '*libc*dev*' |
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| 03:31.17 | Shadow_7 | CppIsWeird: [48553.872000] usb 1-5: USB disconnect, address 102 |
| 03:31.43 | Shadow_7 | it looks like the device is whacky. Perhaps you're using uhci instead of ohci or vice versa. |
| 03:31.45 | CppIsWeird | you noticed that too eh? |
| 03:32.04 | CppIsWeird | how would one know the difference |
| 03:32.21 | CppIsWeird | you know, screw this, im just gonna plug it in my windows computer and see if it works. |
| 03:32.57 | Shadow_7 | Although I got that some message after I pulled the device out of the usb port. |
| 03:33.03 | Shadow_7 | s/some/same/ |
| 03:33.18 | Rusty1 | CppIsWeird: what is the device? |
| 03:33.24 | CppIsWeird | usb hard drive |
| 03:33.41 | Shadow_7 | hard drive or stick? |
| 03:33.44 | dwschool | can i set apt get to use proxy server |
| 03:33.50 | CppIsWeird | hard drive... |
| 03:33.58 | CppIsWeird | western digital 160gb |
| 03:34.13 | CppIsWeird | external harddrive, i think its called a passport |
| 03:34.22 | PhilFX | can anyone help me with cURL installation? |
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| 03:35.39 | Shadow_7 | Oh, I have an 80GB WD drive. It's buggy as heck. |
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| 03:36.15 | Shadow_7 | But works at least. |
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| 03:38.42 | dwschool | all of a sudden i cant get apt-get update to work just stands at 0% waiting for headers |
| 03:38.56 | Shadow_7 | Is your internet connection down? |
| 03:39.07 | dwschool | no, works fine |
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| 03:39.11 | xsdg | dwschool: try a different mirror |
| 03:39.27 | dwschool | i've tried |
| 03:39.52 | dwschool | right now i'm using http.us.debian.org |
| 03:40.09 | dwschool | i have two linux boxes, works fine from the other one |
| 03:40.36 | Shadow_7 | dwschool: did this machine crash while trying to update? |
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| 03:41.01 | dwschool | i'm not sure, i just know it crashed because of a blackout now it's haywire |
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| 03:41.46 | dwschool | nothing related to the internet works, i can't even get my apache webserver working |
| 03:41.54 | Shadow_7 | dwschool: you might try cp /var/lib/dpkg/available-old /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 03:41.58 | taime1 | how do i install konqueror with plugin support in gnome? |
| 03:42.08 | Shadow_7 | well then it's not that. |
| 03:42.19 | taime1 | i can install it, but it doesnt use plugins.. :( |
| 03:42.37 | Shadow_7 | You could always do the M$ way. reboot, reinstall, buy new machine. |
| 03:43.08 | Shadow_7 | apt-get install konqueror-nsplugin ? |
| 03:43.27 | taime1 | ill try that |
| 03:43.28 | Shadow_7 | or was it plugin(s)? |
| 03:43.37 | dwschool | Shadow_7 this is my asterisk box, i kind of need to get it going, there is lots of wor k in it |
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| 03:44.27 | dwschool | ctrl+z gets me out of a process with the command line, is there any shortcut to shut the process down |
| 03:44.57 | Shadow_7 | ps + kill -9 || killall appname |
| 03:44.59 | maxamillion | dwschool: well, ctrl+c will send the process a SIGINT |
| 03:45.10 | maxamillion | (by default anyways) |
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| 03:45.29 | dwschool | maxamillion, that's what i'm looking for |
| 03:45.31 | dwschool | thanks |
| 03:45.36 | maxamillion | np |
| 03:45.39 | Shadow_7 | or fg + ^C |
| 03:45.43 | dwschool | but i'm still screwed with this |
| 03:45.54 | maxamillion | dwschool: how so? |
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| 03:46.25 | dwschool | well my server suffered a blackout, now i can't apt-get update and i can't get my webserver going |
| 03:46.40 | dwschool | i know apache2 is listening, i can telnet into it |
| 03:46.51 | dwschool | but i can't get anythign with a browser |
| 03:46.56 | maxamillion | dwschool: can you ssh? |
| 03:46.59 | dwschool | i think something is curropted |
| 03:47.09 | dwschool | yes |
| 03:47.17 | dwschool | that's what i'm using right now |
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| 03:47.37 | Shadow_7 | dwschool: it's possible the power thing fried the network card? You might try replacing it as a semi-last resort. |
| 03:47.44 | maxamillion | dwschool: ok, so ... first: what happens when you try to apt-get? and second: how would an update fix your server? |
| 03:48.03 | maxamillion | Shadow_7: he can ssh ... i imagine the card is working |
| 03:48.03 | Shadow_7 | although if ssh works, it's probably not the card. |
| 03:48.08 | maxamillion | ;) |
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| 03:48.30 | dwschool | maxamillion, i just thought it might correct some issues with something that was screwed uyp i was planning to remove apache2 and reget it |
| 03:49.21 | dwschool | Shadow_7, i can do anything else including voip, but as soon as i use port 80 i'm stuck |
| 03:50.05 | dwschool | i've wasted days, any help would be a godsend |
| 03:50.13 | maxamillion | dwschool: have you checked any of your apache logs? |
| 03:50.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | deus ex machina? |
| 03:51.02 | dwschool | maxamillion: thats what i can't figure out, when i try access with the browser, nothing logs, when i do it with telnet it logs the event |
| 03:51.05 | maxamillion | CutMeOwnThroat: .... no habla? |
| 03:51.05 | dwschool | no errors |
| 03:51.07 | Shadow_7 | dwschool: are you running some proxy? like squid? |
| 03:51.17 | Shadow_7 | dwschool: you might try stopping the proxy. |
| 03:51.25 | dwschool | Shodow_7: i am but this computer can use port 80 |
| 03:51.32 | dwschool | to keep it simple |
| 03:51.57 | maxamillion | dwschool: wait ... you telnet into apache? (i don't follow) |
| 03:51.58 | dwschool | the proxy is on a different machine |
| 03:52.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | maxamillion, just joking... referring to this "<dwschool> i've wasted days, any help would be a godsend" (but didnt get most of the question, that was before I joined) |
| 03:52.10 | dwschool | telnet ip.address 80 |
| 03:52.19 | dwschool | then i go GET / |
| 03:52.39 | dwschool | and it gives me the code for my index page, and this shows up in the log |
| 03:53.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it is fine :) |
| 03:53.05 | maxamillion | CutMeOwnThroat: ah, here is the jist: power outage, server comes back up and apache isn't responding to html requests but he can ssh and telnet into the server |
| 03:53.56 | dwschool | i am quite confused |
| 03:53.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | ip.address 80 is the server? But then it's working |
| 03:54.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | then your proxy is down? |
| 03:54.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | that also can give you "connection refused" |
| 03:54.21 | maxamillion | dwschool: try "/etc/init.d/apache2 restart" as root |
| 03:54.41 | dwschool | proxy has nothing to do because it is a LAN server, i use just the ip for access, direct to port 80 |
| 03:54.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | but if he can get the page with telnet, the server is working fine |
| 03:54.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what's exactly the error you see? |
| 03:55.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | it could be DNS not working... if you telnet to the IP, but use a name in the browser |
| 03:55.22 | Shadow_7 | I think we already tracked this down to the router box earlier. |
| 03:55.27 | maxamillion | dwschool: that do anything? throw an error maybe? |
| 03:55.34 | dwschool | the connection was reset |
| 03:55.53 | maxamillion | ? |
| 03:56.01 | Shadow_7 | dns internal and external worked, but anything port 80 seems whacked. |
| 03:56.01 | dwschool | maximillion, no restarted fine, log says resuming normal operations |
| 03:56.10 | Shadow_7 | dwschool: have you tried using ftp mirrors? |
| 03:56.15 | dwschool | yes |
| 03:56.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | btw. telnetting to the server or giving the IP might give you different results than the name if you have virtual hosts... |
| 03:56.23 | dwschool | ftp also doesn't work |
| 03:56.32 | maxamillion | dwschool: after the restart can you hit the server over port 80 now? |
| 03:56.35 | dwschool | i use only the ip |
| 03:56.54 | dwschool | server is still not working |
| 03:57.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | dwschool, I thought you said you can telnet into port 80 and get the page? |
| 03:57.18 | dwschool | the computer i try and access it with i bypass the proxy so i have direct internet accesss |
| 03:57.32 | dwschool | yes, with telet it works fine |
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| 03:57.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | then stop saying the server doesnt work |
| 03:57.42 | dwschool | i thought u meant with browser |
| 03:57.58 | dwschool | well in my books it doesn't :D |
| 03:57.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you can get the page, it is definitely not the server |
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| 03:59.08 | maxamillion | dwschool: your books? |
| 03:59.21 | maxamillion | wtf do books have to do with this? |
| 03:59.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | figure of speech |
| 03:59.41 | dwschool | paycheck book is sure feeling it |
| 03:59.42 | maxamillion | ah .. |
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| 03:59.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think it's actually "in my book" |
| 04:00.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | but he seems to have several :) |
| 04:00.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | how about other http servers |
| 04:00.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | do those work? |
| 04:00.46 | dwschool | yes |
| 04:01.02 | seanp2k | got a tough one for you guys. After I log in two windows come up, one is archive manager from a file that I no longer have, other is a triple tabbed terminal window. How do i make these not auto-start anymore? |
| 04:01.03 | dwschool | i have two local ones, one work fine |
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| 04:01.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | are they loaded over the proxy also, or could the pages be cached? |
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| 04:02.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | seanp2k, don't log in anymore :-P (that was EASY) |
| 04:02.26 | dwschool | the pages aren't cached because i've cleared the browser cache |
| 04:02.29 | seanp2k | lol yeah i guess i should just make a new user |
| 04:02.59 | seanp2k | no is there some like autostart for apps? (note: i have rebooted a good dozen times with these windows close) |
| 04:03.18 | seanp2k | or maybe I logout wrong and it remembers my windows from when I logged out differently? |
| 04:03.47 | dwschool | so i'm on my own with this $#%@ |
| 04:04.12 | Shadow_7 | seanp2k: logged into what? windows XP? |
| 04:04.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | seanp2k, seriously, the question is not worth much, because windows managers often auto-start things and it will depend heavily on which one you use... but try something like "find . -type f -exec grep -l 'name_of_autostarted_program_or_file' \; in your home directory |
| 04:04.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | dwschool, are the local servers also accessed over the proxy? |
| 04:05.14 | seanp2k | using gnome and i just found the window for "sessions" in preferences |
| 04:05.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | dwschool, well, look - you figured so far: it's not the server and it's not the net, because you get the page |
| 04:05.25 | seanp2k | but neither was in there |
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| 04:05.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | dwschool, so it can only be the proxy (switch it off), DNS (does telnetting into the name work?) or the browser |
| 04:06.00 | seanp2k | I'll try using the save current session thing |
| 04:06.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | (try a differnt browser) |
| 04:06.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | seanp2k, why don't you just run the find I gave you? |
| 04:06.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | might take a while... |
| 04:06.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you have a good suspicion where it ist started (.gnome e.g.) you can also run the find only there, which will be much faster |
| 04:07.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | dwschool, telnet into the proxy and do GET http://your.server.com |
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| 04:08.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | dwschool, probably add some HTTP/1.0 or somesuch for good measure |
| 04:08.34 | miike- | Anyone have any clue as to why I am getting Err http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages |
| 04:08.35 | miike- | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.35 | miike- | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:09.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dont think so... |
| 04:09.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | it was always centralized, although there was a plan to change that |
| 04:09.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | !security.debian.org |
| 04:09.24 | dpkg | it has been said that security.debian.org is an APT source only available for stable and oldstable, or ask me about security |
| 04:09.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 04:09.36 | Shadow_7 | miike-: I don't think it should be //'s between those terms. |
| 04:09.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | that guy is smart |
| 04:09.41 | miike- | has anyone else experienced this problem? |
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| 04:10.08 | miike- | Shadow_7: What do you mean? |
| 04:10.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, no |
| 04:10.33 | Shadow_7 | security.debian.org etch updates main ..... |
| 04:10.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | the line is commented out in my sources.list |
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| 04:10.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | curious |
| 04:10.45 | Shadow_7 | not security.debian.lorg etch/updates/main ... |
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| 04:11.29 | Pernicsla | I have found GLOSSY LCD screens much easier on the eyes than the traditional matte variety. |
| 04:11.36 | miike- | great.. |
| 04:11.46 | Pernicsla | My eyes actually tighten when faced with many matte screens. |
| 04:12.02 | Pernicsla | The glossy screens seem to allow the eyes to relax perhaps due to the clarity. |
| 04:12.11 | miike- | I took those lines and removed the `/` and spaced it accordingly-now i am throwing errors. |
| 04:12.24 | Shadow_7 | until you do 1600x1200 on a 15" screen |
| 04:12.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 04:12.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | thats my one |
| 04:12.47 | Pernicsla | Actually, "glare" from glossy screens is not an issue unless you HAVE to have a certain light arrangement. |
| 04:12.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, the one that was commented out actually... I REALLY wonder why |
| 04:13.06 | Pernicsla | For most, at home, it's completely irrelevant. You set up your lights as you like them. |
| 04:13.26 | nvz | the glare on this laptop screen has been annoying me the past two days I've been using it |
| 04:13.33 | miike- | still not finding it. |
| 04:14.01 | Shadow_7 | miike-: you could always use dselect to resetup your sources.list |
| 04:14.06 | Shadow_7 | make a backup of course. |
| 04:14.15 | Shadow_7 | note the differences. |
| 04:14.25 | miike- | http://pastebin.com/m45c5c9c1 |
| 04:14.40 | miike- | ^^ pasted the output... |
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| 04:15.13 | nvz | miike-: CutMeOwnThroat: the main reason there is not mirrors for security is that it could take longer for some to sync and we wouldn't want some security sites to be more up-to-date than others |
| 04:15.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | curious |
| 04:15.43 | tzanger | Coming from a slackware background, I put the things I wanted to do on startup in /etc/rc.d/rc.local. Where is the proper place to put things such as iptables rulesets, turning on an eth0:0 alias and turning on proxy arp? |
| 04:15.46 | nvz | the security site is used far less than the regular mirrors since its only used for stable updates, so making only one security server makes more sense for what it does |
| 04:16.44 | Shadow_7 | miike-: looks like it should be http://security.debian.org stable/updates main (not stable/updates/main) |
| 04:17.04 | miike- | let me try that. sec |
| 04:17.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, I know... but I thought with a "security for testing" there were also plans to go to more than one server... maybe I was mistaken |
| 04:17.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | miike-, really curious: Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/non-free Packages |
| 04:17.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | works just fine |
| 04:18.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... didn't yo copy my sources.list line? |
| 04:18.04 | miike- | Shadow_7: Ty sir. <3 |
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| 04:18.19 | miike- | CutMeOwnThroat: I tried yours. no go. |
| 04:18.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | tzanger, /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 04:19.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | tzanger, at least for eth0:0... dunno about the other stuff |
| 04:19.15 | miike- | Shadow_7: Thanks again. I appreciate it. |
| 04:19.19 | tzanger | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 04:19.45 | Shadow_7 | can I assume it works now? |
| 04:19.47 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah I don't see why that would hurt anything having one for testing and one for stable.. other than the obvious needing two different servers |
| 04:20.41 | miike- | Yes, I just fixed the computer in the closet with that, going to do this one now. |
| 04:20.53 | nvz | WTF I just noticed my first really really weird occurance on Windows Vista.. I was on a site and IE7 stopped working and the usual dialogs came up then it restarted IE now I got Firefox up on my screen, and I had not even installed firefox I am totally lost as to how the hell that happened |
| 04:21.37 | dondelelcaro | nvz: I wonder if you ran across a site where someone used an IE7 vulnerability to install firefox |
| 04:22.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | tzanger, for iptables... I dont use those directly, but I run fail2ban |
| 04:23.03 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I was on tv-links.co.uk *shrug* that would be really weird |
| 04:23.04 | tzanger | hmm |
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| 04:23.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, so now you got firefox for free :) |
| 04:24.00 | nvz | dondelelcaro: this is a brand new laptop just bought yesterday I am almost certain it didn't come with firefox microsoft wouldnt do something like that.. ship a competing product.. |
| 04:25.59 | nvz | dondelelcaro: though I had just authorized install of the divx webplayer plugin which seems to be an activex control.. so I guess its very possible |
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| 04:31.07 | nvz | now I dont know whats worse using the obviously insecure IE or a version of FF that was magically installed |
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| 04:41.04 | gimbal | hello, I have a question about deb package install when using the cds/dvds. I'm wondering: How do you get dpkg to know of the packages available on *all* disks? It looks like it only knows of those on the first disk, currently |
| 04:41.20 | dondelelcaro | gimbal: you use apt-cdrom |
| 04:42.02 | gimbal | dondelelcaro: much appreciation; thank you |
| 04:42.22 | gimbal | apt-cdrom sounds like a package name; is it also a command? |
| 04:42.23 | jazzencat | i tried using the etch amd64 netinstall disc to install debian but it hangs on me. |
| 04:42.45 | dondelelcaro | gimbal: it's a command; it's part of apt, and is what populates the database of what cdrom has what packages |
| 04:43.01 | gimbal | nmind, it is a command, apt-cdrom -- root can see it, heh |
| 04:43.09 | gimbal | dondelelcaro: heh, thanks |
| 04:43.09 | jazzencat | my hardware is amd athlon64 3500+, MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum Mobo, 512MB DDR400RAM 160GIG HD |
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| 04:44.12 | sandman | Is there a good way to get AAC support in Debian? |
| 04:44.14 | gimbal | dondelelcaro: y'know, I wish they'd include a step in the installtion process, where it runs apt-cdrom for you and prompts you for the disks. I really don't have any time to adapt the stuff to make it do so, but it sounds like it could be helpful, y'know |
| 04:45.16 | gimbal | wouldn't one of the packages from the previously wanado.perso.fr (or wth) include aac support? |
| 04:45.25 | gimbal | er .. the previously {wth} repository, I mean |
| 04:45.45 | sandman | Nevermind, I just found one. |
| 04:45.58 | dondelelcaro | gimbal: there used to be a step to do so, but perhaps it's been removed |
| 04:46.01 | sandman | It appears that from XMMS there's XMMS2 and Audacious... are these two forks in different directions, as it appears? |
| 04:46.01 | tzanger | hmm |
| 04:46.17 | tzanger | is there an apt- command to verify the consistency of every file that came from a package? |
| 04:46.17 | sandman | One for a client-server approach, the other (Audacious) follows the same path as the original XMMS |
| 04:46.20 | dondelelcaro | gimbal: if you've used a recent installer, and it didn't ask, you could file a wishlist bug against debian-installer with a request to add it |
| 04:46.22 | sandman | Mirroring that of Winamp to some degree |
| 04:46.45 | sandman | tzanger: debsums |
| 04:46.56 | gimbal | dondelelcaro: thanks for the tip; I'll have to find a way to make sure I'll do so, sometime later from now, heh |
| 04:47.17 | gimbal | debian-installer, ok |
| 04:47.40 | dondelelcaro | or just cd /; md5sum --check /var/lib/dpkg/info/foopkg.md5sums |
| 04:47.51 | gimbal | dondelelcaro: it's recent, fwiw; just got 3 dvds from a company called CheapBytes -- don't currently have the bandwidth to download the stuff, and cheapbytes looks like a cool lil co anyhow. 4.0r0, called "etch" I hear |
| 04:48.22 | gimbal | it |
| 04:48.27 | gimbal | er, nmind. touchy lil RET key |
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| 04:51.19 | gimbal | wahho, bluesteel e theme, there it is. |
| 04:51.29 | gimbal | dondelelcaro: thanks again, 'br0 |
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| 05:00.38 | GreaseMonkey | getting off now, cya |
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| 05:01.15 | bubbeh | what's the quickest way to delete gnome and everything assosciated with gnome (except x11) |
| 05:02.04 | liable | !remove gnome |
| 05:02.04 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 05:04.04 | bubbeh | thanks |
| 05:04.09 | bubbeh | :D |
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| 05:06.03 | bubbeh | how do i stop gdm from auto-starting? |
| 05:06.09 | bubbeh | what conf do i edit |
| 05:06.33 | bubbeh | no rc.conf in my /etc but that's probably bsd |
| 05:07.52 | Master_Medic | anyone know what to do when fsck fails? |
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| 05:08.20 | Master_Medic | it says something is corrupted |
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| 05:10.18 | piztek | how do you run mythtv after installing it? |
| 05:10.59 | nadim | I'm trying to install etch and I'm getting a GRUB problem - somethiiiing abouttt ".. does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." - can someone please shed some light on this ? |
| 05:11.48 | nadim | I've found this debian bug report 235295 but no solution is noted within ... |
| 05:13.31 | Master_Medic | nvm i figured it out |
| 05:13.41 | Master_Medic | hey i was wondering what kernels come with what versions of debian? |
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| 05:15.28 | itrebal | I've got several loopback IP addresses (lo:1, lo:2, etc) and none of thema re being initiated at boot; why is that? |
| 05:16.24 | miike- | Question. I have a samba server setup. I am trying to mount the shared folder. I created a folder /media/daredevil-storage. In my /etc/fstab I put //daredevil/storage /media/daredevil-storage smbfs defaults,credentials=/etc/daredevil.smbpass 0 0 |
| 05:16.24 | miike- | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.30 | liable | bubbeh: remove the package if you dont want it to start |
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| 05:19.08 | piztek | libc6 isn't installing |
| 05:20.22 | itrebal | I'm defining several loopback addresses in my /etc/network/interface file like so: http://paste2.org/p/5018 but none of them are being initiated at boot-time, and I have to go back later and type 'ifup lo:1; ifup lo:2'... is there any reason why this would happen? |
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| 05:37.10 | Gnu_Raiz | weird |
| 05:37.16 | gimbal | y'know, the whole team of folks who have been designing the debian install stuff do deserve some major credit, for the results |
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| 05:37.39 | Gnu_Raiz | my wife washed her ipod shuffle, and it still works. |
| 05:37.40 | gimbal | speaking as someone who ain't installed deb for a while, unitl etch, it's been a huge improvement |
| 05:38.16 | Gnu_Raiz | anyone know if fair use or fair play has a .deb. |
| 05:38.48 | Gnu_Raiz | I have 1 gig of her music and really can't listen to it on etch. |
| 05:39.53 | gimbal | Gnu_Raiz: fair use / fair play -- is it a music vendor, a group, what? & fwiw, http://packages.debian.org/ has a search engine on the main repo, other search engines probably exist but I dunno their urls |
| 05:40.36 | gimbal | never heard of fair {X} yknow |
| 05:40.36 | gimbal | except for "fair use" as a term about copyright stuff |
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| 05:40.36 | gimbal | and "fair play" as a joke, hehehe |
| 05:41.24 | gimbal | ausgangt, or wth |
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| 05:46.30 | slid3r | isnt there a way to get the kern source and headers for yer current install, calling a parameter from uname? |
| 05:47.22 | piztek_ | what should i do if libc6 won't update |
| 05:47.23 | liable | slid3r: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 05:47.37 | slid3r | I am trying to modprobe fuse, and it is telling me I dont have a modules.dep file ~:/ |
| 05:48.16 | slid3r | Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.9-023stab044.4-smp |
| 05:48.17 | slid3r | heh |
| 05:48.20 | slid3r | been that kinda night |
| 05:48.31 | liable | thats not a debian kernel |
| 05:49.23 | slid3r | this is a fresh install of 4.0 on a vps |
| 05:49.27 | gimbal | anyone might know a conversational kind of general-topicschannel that would be open? #slashdot ain't I know |
| 05:49.34 | slid3r | so who knows whaat they did to the kern imge |
| 05:49.46 | gimbal | #linpeople is kind of sleepin tonight, hehe |
| 05:50.00 | slid3r | anywayt to workaround this modules.dep error, so I can modprobe? |
| 05:50.29 | slid3r | we are alive in #linuxpeople gimbal |
| 05:51.02 | gimbal | gr00v3 |
| 05:51.11 | piztek_ | slid3r: i don't know but i can't update |
| 05:51.23 | slid3r | im sorry? |
| 05:51.51 | piztek_ | maybe they're not related |
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| 05:55.19 | piztek_ | can anyone help me with libc6 not updating? |
| 05:55.47 | piztek_ | synaptic says that it's a broken package |
| 05:56.01 | dondelelcaro | piztek_: give us the full output of apt-get -f install; or similar. |
| 05:56.18 | dondelelcaro | piztek_: also, the output of apt-cache policy libc6; and any other affected packages. |
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| 05:57.52 | piztek_ | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/m3f5034cc |
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| 05:59.07 | piztek_ | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/m662c10a6 |
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| 06:02.09 | dondelelcaro | piztek_: what does apt-cache policy libc6-i386 lib32z1 ;say? |
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| 06:02.50 | sandman | Anyone have experience with AAC in linux? |
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| 06:03.15 | dondelelcaro | sandman: best to just ask your question |
| 06:03.27 | gimbal | is the 'lenny' dist name part of some new simpsons-theming approach? just tryina keep up-to-speed on the important stuff, hehe |
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| 06:03.34 | piztek_ | http://pastebin.com/m3772ea90 |
| 06:03.40 | dondelelcaro | !lenny |
| 06:03.40 | dpkg | [lenny] the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 06:03.53 | gimbal | ahaha, sticking with the theme, cool |
| 06:04.20 | gimbal | lenny ... lenses ... ok, heh |
| 06:04.30 | sandman | Here's what's happening: I'll open a playlist containing AAC streams with Audacious. Instead of playing the file, it just keeps "pre-buffering" up to 100% and then starts over again. |
| 06:04.30 | dondelelcaro | piztek_: ok, apt-get install libz32; and see if that'll resolve the problem |
| 06:04.43 | dondelelcaro | piztek_: otherwise, you'll have to use the force overwrite option to dpkg |
| 06:04.56 | sandman | And does this maybe 5 times a second for 6 seconds, then starts slowing up until it eventually just freezes at some percentage of the prebuffering |
| 06:05.07 | piztek_ | dondelelcaro: couldn't find package |
| 06:05.20 | dondelelcaro | piztek_: sorry, lib32z1 |
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| 06:06.13 | piztek_ | dondelelcaro: unmet dependencies |
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| 06:07.21 | niru | garmin-GPS(Etrex)--how to use or configure it |
| 06:07.27 | niru | in debian |
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| 06:07.40 | StarWars | hi |
| 06:07.50 | Gokee2 | Anyone know if I can play atlantik as a local only game? |
| 06:08.06 | piztek_ | dondelelcaro: how can i force this overwrite? |
| 06:09.02 | piztek_ | apt-get -f install still gives me errors |
| 06:09.29 | StarWars | i try to install FMS and i get this error ./installfms |
| 06:09.31 | StarWars | ./fmsini: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 06:10.37 | StarWars | i have libstdc++.so.6 but is not workig |
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| 06:14.17 | tsocks | Azar: hello ;) |
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| 06:17.02 | Nopalin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:17.22 | liable | niru: gpsd plus whatever app you want to use it with |
| 06:17.28 | liable | if its supported |
| 06:18.35 | niru | i installed gpsd gpsdrive & kismet |
| 06:18.47 | niru | it is not detecting the serial port |
| 06:18.57 | niru | Is gps only for USB port |
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| 06:19.02 | niru | can I use it for serial port |
| 06:19.07 | niru | is yes how to do that |
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| 06:19.18 | niru | liable, can I get a good document |
| 06:19.42 | liable | i have a usb to serial cable thing, but i havent played with it for years |
| 06:20.02 | neoalex | hi guys... I recently bought a ups and connected it to my debian via a usb cable it came with |
| 06:20.31 | neoalex | and I'm wondering what I need to do from here to configure events for it |
| 06:20.49 | liable | depends on the type of ups |
| 06:20.58 | liable | theres ups software in the repo |
| 06:21.20 | neoalex | I installed nut and nut-usb which should work with this type of ups |
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| 06:21.45 | neoalex | by the way it's a cyberpower ups |
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| 06:22.04 | piztek_ | dondelelcaro: ? |
| 06:22.24 | liable | neoalex: so read the documentation for it. |
| 06:22.43 | neoalex | you can imagine there's nothing on linux |
| 06:22.53 | liable | eh? |
| 06:22.54 | neoalex | comes with an application for windows and mac |
| 06:23.07 | neoalex | oh... for nut? |
| 06:23.12 | neoalex | I thought for the ups |
| 06:23.25 | liable | ya, i bought a cheapo one, had a daemon for linux, but of course it didnt work |
| 06:23.45 | neoalex | mine was 40 bucks so I guess it falls into the categorry |
| 06:24.15 | neoalex | there's a daemon for linux on cyberpower's website but of course it doesn't work |
| 06:24.19 | liable | mine lasted about thirty seconds before it went off. shit batteries, prolly been sitting in a warehouse for two years |
| 06:24.48 | neoalex | this one is brand new so hopefully I won't have that problem |
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| 06:25.19 | neoalex | especially since it's powering just a pc with no monitor and a 300 W PSU |
| 06:25.20 | liable | being new doesnt mean it hasnt been sitting in a warehouse for two years ;P |
| 06:25.33 | liable | mine was powering the same |
| 06:26.03 | neoalex | hmmm... you have a point there... I should test it and bring it back if necessary |
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| 06:26.27 | neoalex | so your's say it came with a daemon for linux |
| 06:26.36 | neoalex | or you were using something you found? |
| 06:26.56 | liable | yeah, on the cd it came with. |
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| 06:27.14 | liable | google is your best bet to see if anyone has it working |
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| 06:28.07 | dondelelcaro | piztek_: what are the unmet dependencies? |
| 06:28.19 | OmnipotentEntity | I'm having trouble installing 2.6.22 |
| 06:28.32 | gan | hello sir im trying to mount the gps drive in debian but im not getting |
| 06:28.38 | gan | why it is so |
| 06:28.46 | OmnipotentEntity | linux-kbuild-2.6.22 is a virtual package, and I have unmet dependencies because of it. |
| 06:29.11 | OmnipotentEntity | I'm having trouble installing 2.6.22. linux-kbuild-2.6.22 is a virtual package, and I have unmet dependencies because of it. Arch = amd64 |
| 06:29.18 | OmnipotentEntity | Now all in one line |
| 06:29.50 | piztek_ | dondelelcaro: libc6-i386 |
| 06:30.07 | neoalex | ok searching the device id gives some results |
| 06:30.11 | neoalex | I'll report back |
| 06:30.17 | gan | hello im getting the same solution even im switch off my gps |
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| 06:31.26 | dondelelcaro | !force-overwrite |
| 06:31.26 | dpkg | The reason you have been told to use --force-overwrite is because some packages in unstable are buggy and either have missing Conflicts: or contain files that they shouldn't. Check the BTS and make sure that a bug has been filed about the package in question (ask me about <bts>) then run dpkg -i --force-overwrite /path/to/.deb or apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <foopackagename>; |
| 06:31.32 | dondelelcaro | piztek_: the above will do it |
| 06:31.42 | nvz | Is there some way for someone who uses dialup and has a laptop to use it wirelessly? like without taking apart a coordless phone handset :P |
| 06:32.14 | dondelelcaro | nvz: if you've got two machines, sure. |
| 06:32.18 | piztek_ | dondelelcaro: so; apt-get update --force-overwrite, or apt-get install libc6 --force-overwrite |
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| 06:32.48 | nvz | dondelelcaro: well she does have a desktop system but I wasn't sure even how to do it there.. the desktop is old and doesnt have Wifi but even if it did I'm still not sure how it'd work |
| 06:32.49 | dondelelcaro | piztek_: the command is given exactly above |
| 06:32.56 | liable | nvz: i had my laptop dialed in, then my wifi acting as an AP, then the other boxen could use it. not really possible without two boxen though |
| 06:32.58 | gan | so tell me how to know whether it mounted or not |
| 06:33.26 | gan | plz answer for the mounting the gps |
| 06:33.29 | liable | nvz: desktop has ethernet and modem? you have a wireless router? |
| 06:33.29 | dondelelcaro | piztek_: you want the apt-get one, with libc6-i386 lib32z1; |
| 06:33.42 | dondelelcaro | there are some wireless routers which do dialup |
| 06:33.49 | liable | yep |
| 06:33.50 | nvz | liable: hmm you can do that with ethernet and a wireless router? |
| 06:33.57 | dondelelcaro | or rather, were. I don't know if anyone sells them anymore |
| 06:34.20 | liable | nvz: dial up->nat to ethernet->wireless router->laptop |
| 06:35.08 | nvz | I was trying to tell her she should just switch her companies.. both Comcast and Verison are offering cheap phone/cable/high-speed internet packages now that are probably cheaper than what she's currently paying for dialup, phone without any features like caller-id, and cable |
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| 06:35.30 | gan | how to configure the gps in debian |
| 06:35.36 | piztek_ | apt-get --force-overwrite install libc6 - --force-overwrite command not found |
| 06:35.50 | piztek_ | er not understood |
| 06:35.51 | nvz | I think VOIP is forcing companies to make shit cheaper as a package deal or else they'll just use VOIP to save money |
| 06:35.58 | OmnipotentEntity | You have to put it after the install part piztek_ |
| 06:36.13 | liable | no, you didnt read the factoid |
| 06:36.50 | dondelelcaro | piztek_: see what dpkg said above; the bot gave you the exact command to run. |
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| 06:37.12 | liable | *groan* its Gnea |
| 06:37.17 | liable | :P |
| 06:37.49 | piztek_ | dondelelcaro: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <foopackagename> |
| 06:37.54 | Gnea | it's liable |
| 06:37.55 | dondelelcaro | piztek_: yes. |
| 06:37.56 | Gnea | ;) |
| 06:38.11 | piztek_ | what should i put in place of DPkg::Options::= |
| 06:38.19 | dondelelcaro | piztek_: nothing |
| 06:38.28 | dondelelcaro | piztek_: the only thing you change is <foopackagename> |
| 06:38.35 | piztek_ | oh |
| 06:39.20 | piztek_ | clubat? |
| 06:39.49 | liable | nevermind |
| 06:40.00 | dondelelcaro | a tap with the heavier one with an 'e' may have knocked you out |
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| 06:40.33 | nvz | liable: better than GNAA |
| 06:40.36 | liable | heh |
| 06:40.37 | piztek_ | yes it worked |
| 06:40.47 | nvz | seems like the GNAA died.. their site isn't up anymore |
| 06:40.55 | OmnipotentEntity | I'm having trouble installing 2.6.22. linux-kbuild-2.6.22 is a virtual package, and I have unmet dependencies because of it. Arch = amd64 Pastebin: http://pastebin.com/m5f78d306 |
| 06:40.56 | liable | nvz: gnaabat? i dont even want to think what that is! |
| 06:41.09 | nvz | liable: eh? |
| 06:41.10 | tarzeau | great now there's also this swiftweasel |
| 06:41.24 | tarzeau | does anyone have amd64 builds of 2.x thunderbird/iceweasel for etch? |
| 06:41.55 | nvz | liable: GNAA was the Gay Nigger Association of America.. people who went around being tards online destroying services to feel like they were hax0rs or something |
| 06:41.56 | OmnipotentEntity | I'm running 2.0.0.4 right now. |
| 06:42.01 | tsocks | tarzeau: what about 'swiftweasel' ? |
| 06:42.03 | OmnipotentEntity | tarzeau |
| 06:42.13 | tarzeau | tsocks: it's in debian? |
| 06:42.30 | tsocks | tarzeau: don't know ;( ... i don't think so .. |
| 06:42.30 | liable | nvz: i know, i was talking about cluebats, you mentioned gnaa, logical extention is gnaabat |
| 06:42.31 | tarzeau | nvz: their homepage is down, do you know their current working url? |
| 06:42.43 | tarzeau | tsocks: it's not from my checks of today |
| 06:42.50 | dondelelcaro | OmnipotentEntity: so you need to install a package which provides the linux-kbuild virtual package |
| 06:42.54 | liable | or maybe not so logical extension... |
| 06:43.02 | nvz | tarzeau: no I figured they all hit puberty and started surfing pr0n sites for something better to do.. heh |
| 06:43.11 | piztek_ | thank you dondelelcaro |
| 06:43.12 | tsocks | tarzeau: iceweasel is too slow for my computer ;-( ... but, i've downloaded firefox from mozilla.org, and it's faster than iceweasel,,, ;( |
| 06:43.13 | OmnipotentEntity | dondelelcaro, I know that, but I don't know if there is a package which provides that. |
| 06:43.16 | tarzeau | nvz: heh. |
| 06:43.21 | OmnipotentEntity | I can't seem to find one. |
| 06:43.28 | tarzeau | tsocks: oh tried links2 -g ? |
| 06:43.47 | tarzeau | tsocks: besides iceweasel refuses to work on some pages by google made for firefox |
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| 06:44.58 | OmnipotentEntity | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=433504 |
| 06:45.03 | OmnipotentEntity | Found a bug. :D |
| 06:45.11 | liable | tarzeau: like which? |
| 06:45.15 | tarzeau | OmnipotentEntity: hah only if you use debian kernels :) |
| 06:45.28 | tarzeau | liable: oh i don't remember, google has so many of them :) |
| 06:45.50 | nvz | liable: idk the last two lines you addressed to me did not compute :P |
| 06:45.58 | tarzeau | liable: i wanted to show a user something and it didn't work, so we went on. did on os x or windows, don't remember |
| 06:46.03 | OmnipotentEntity | tarzeau, if you don't let your package manager take care of everything then you might as well not have one. |
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| 06:46.22 | tarzeau | OmnipotentEntity: i make my own debian kernel packages? |
| 06:46.28 | jamesbrink_ | is there any good way to copy a file that is open and in use? |
| 06:46.35 | OmnipotentEntity | tarzeau, that works too. |
| 06:46.36 | tarzeau | OmnipotentEntity: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/linux-2.6.22/ |
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| 06:47.43 | liable | nvz: its ok, i get a lot of blank face looks during conversations in real life too |
| 06:49.42 | tsocks | tarzeau: i use konqueror, but some pages, like 'gmail' doesn't load correctly in konqueror, and i have to use firefox .. |
| 06:49.44 | dondelelcaro | OmnipotentEntity: that package has actually already been uploaded; looks like it'll come in in the next dinstall run |
| 06:50.12 | tsocks | tarzeau: for open theese pages that doesn't load correctly ;( |
| 06:50.39 | OmnipotentEntity | dondelelcaro, Right-o, it's just a matter of waiting patiently then. :D |
| 06:51.21 | slacker_nl | is there a shell/bash guru around? |
| 06:51.27 | tarzeau | slacker_nl: yes, just ask |
| 06:51.34 | slacker_nl | i have 2 vars, $VAR and $bla, and $bla has value VAR, and i want something that expands $bla so i can use $$bla to get the value from $VAR |
| 06:52.14 | OmnipotentEntity | slacker_nl, you can do that with perl (${$var}), don't think you can in bash. |
| 06:52.49 | slacker_nl | OmnipotentEntity: mmmm, i was hoping it was possible |
| 06:53.20 | piztek_ | totem needs to remember it's settings for hidden controls, not toggle them |
| 06:53.22 | OmnipotentEntity | slacker_nl, perl takes quite a bit from bash, try that syntax to see if it yields good results. |
| 06:53.39 | slacker_nl | OmnipotentEntity: will give it a try |
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| 06:53.42 | seanp2k | what should I do to get smoother looking fonts in debian etch? |
| 06:53.52 | seanp2k | ((i'm using gnome)) |
| 06:53.55 | piztek_ | seanp2k: install the font clean |
| 06:54.10 | seanp2k | piztek_: how do i go about this |
| 06:54.47 | piztek_ | or play around in menu>system>fonts |
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| 06:55.09 | seanp2k | alright |
| 06:55.11 | slacker_nl | OmnipotentEntity: (${$var}) doesn't do it.. |
| 06:55.43 | OmnipotentEntity | The ()s are parenthetical and were not part of they syntax, they were part of the sentence. |
| 06:55.51 | OmnipotentEntity | Though it shouldn't matter. |
| 06:55.54 | piztek_ | i can't remember what package clean is in, but go in synaptic and search fonts and install a few |
| 06:56.02 | slacker_nl | OmnipotentEntity: ${$bla} gives a bad substitution error |
| 06:56.34 | slacker_nl | $$bla becomes pidbla.. argh |
| 06:56.43 | seanp2k | sans is pretty good |
| 06:56.47 | slacker_nl | why o why shell won't you do this |
| 06:56.55 | dondelelcaro | slacker_nl: you're looking for expr or similar |
| 06:56.59 | piztek_ | sans is good, but not monospace |
| 06:57.13 | tarzeau | i'm overwhelmed, there's 201989 registered dpkg/apt-get users (debian+ubuntu) that report weekly their popularity-contest.log .. can you imagine the massive amount of resources if it could be shared? |
| 06:57.27 | piztek_ | monospace describes fonts being the same width |
| 06:57.50 | tarzeau | OmnipotentEntity: it's possible in shell too |
| 06:57.51 | piztek_ | fonts' characters |
| 06:57.56 | tarzeau | slacker_nl: figured it already? |
| 06:58.00 | seanp2k | yeah |
| 06:58.10 | slacker_nl | dondelelcaro: could you give an example? |
| 06:58.17 | seanp2k | tarzeau: use all of that power for what? |
| 06:58.22 | slacker_nl | tarzeau: not really |
| 06:58.30 | tarzeau | seanp2k: simulations, storage, whatever :) |
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| 06:58.41 | tarzeau | slacker_nl: ok let me come up w/ and example for you, i've needed that also (5 years ago :) |
| 06:58.52 | slacker_nl | hehe |
| 06:58.56 | slacker_nl | ok, thnx |
| 06:59.18 | seanp2k | hey on the subject of programming, what is a good language to control a command-line tool in a GUI frontend |
| 06:59.37 | seanp2k | let me rephrase; I want to write a GUI for a CLI app |
| 06:59.45 | slacker_nl | i've seen things like this: bla=v ;export $bla=1 ; echo $v which returns 1 |
| 07:00.21 | piztek_ | seanp2k: glade |
| 07:00.36 | piztek_ | seanp2k: i think |
| 07:00.51 | seanp2k | piztek_: i have that, is it a language or just a GTK designer (generates C code based on your design) |
| 07:00.52 | liable | if its in c |
| 07:01.09 | tarzeau | slacker_nl: something like: FOO='$BAR' ; BAR=barmaid ; echo $FOO ; eval echo $FOO |
| 07:01.11 | piztek_ | seanp2k: i believe it to be both |
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| 07:01.15 | tarzeau | slacker_nl: is that what you want? |
| 07:01.18 | seanp2k | i don't want to rewrite the app though (aircrack-ng) |
| 07:01.29 | slacker_nl | tarzeau: lemme check |
| 07:01.55 | seanp2k | i just want to have text boxes and checkboxes and tabs and generate shell commands based on those |
| 07:02.09 | seanp2k | then run that in a terminal which would also be visible in said program |
| 07:02.52 | tarzeau | seanp2k: Gorm is great for that |
| 07:02.59 | seanp2k | hmm gorm |
| 07:03.03 | tsocks | tarzeau: exactly ;-) ,,, i've used "eval", but i didn't know if bash has it ;( |
| 07:03.10 | tarzeau | seanp2k: like i've done www.linuks.mine.nu/volumemanager/ in a matter of short time |
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| 07:03.52 | tarzeau | seanp2k: sorry http://www.linuks.mine.nu/volumecontrol/ |
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| 07:06.07 | slacker_nl | tarzeau: almost, but i want to check wheter ${$FOO} exists, and if it does continue |
| 07:06.47 | tarzeau | slacker_nl: n=`eval echo $FOO` ; then do the usual if/test checks |
| 07:08.25 | piztek_ | tarzeau: you're turned your computer into a web site server? |
| 07:08.35 | tarzeau | piztek_: ahm, which computer? |
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| 07:08.50 | tarzeau | piztek_: yeah i got pretty much on any computer i have one or more web servers |
| 07:09.20 | piztek_ | how do you do that on linux? |
| 07:09.21 | tarzeau | piztek_: the latest and coolest definitely is http://doorbell.ethz.ch/ |
| 07:09.28 | tarzeau | piztek_: apt-get install apache? or thttpd? |
| 07:09.39 | tarzeau | any user can run a webserver (on a port > 1024) |
| 07:09.51 | tarzeau | but this really is a limitation of unix design |
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| 07:10.48 | piztek_ | tarzeau: nice! |
| 07:10.55 | piztek_ | is configuring apache hard? |
| 07:10.56 | liable | lol |
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| 07:11.14 | tarzeau | piztek_: not needed in debian (unless you want a more sane configuration than the default) |
| 07:11.19 | seanp2k | piztek_: if you're asking, just spare yourself and use lightTPD |
| 07:11.27 | tarzeau | liable: does your doorbell have gigabit internet too? :) |
| 07:11.58 | tarzeau | liable: i'll probably make some "add your own doorbell sound/music"-button |
| 07:12.24 | piztek_ | is lightTPD hard to configure? |
| 07:12.31 | seanp2k | piztek_: indeed not |
| 07:12.35 | piztek_ | is it gui? |
| 07:12.39 | seanp2k | piztek_: it's also a lot lighter |
| 07:12.43 | seanp2k | piztek_: no |
| 07:12.46 | tarzeau | seanp2k: lighter than thttpd? |
| 07:13.02 | piztek_ | then i just point the domain to my ip? |
| 07:13.05 | seanp2k | tarzeau: not sure? |
| 07:13.13 | liable | tarzeau: you win "geek of the week" for #debian :) |
| 07:13.20 | tarzeau | seanp2k: i definitely want cgi support. and thttpd has got some really nice features |
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| 07:13.58 | tarzeau | liable: cool! i win a dinner with angelina jolie? |
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| 07:14.32 | seanp2k | tarzeau: i use it with fastcgi |
| 07:14.33 | tsocks | tarzeau: hehehe |
| 07:14.37 | seanp2k | on freebsd |
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| 07:15.25 | tarzeau | seanp2k: i really want to leave linux behind some day and go ahead (i'm currently looking again into plan9, gnu/hurd, and well nextstep/openstep are what i love) |
| 07:15.25 | liable | tarzeau: erm, no. |
| 07:17.42 | piztek_ | doorbell.au auto downloaded the sound |
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| 07:19.29 | liba_p3ta_0018 | morning |
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| 07:20.09 | slacker_nl | tarzeau: that's does the job, but not like i want it too |
| 07:20.20 | nvz | liable: yeah I know what that is like.. I tell people you couldn't tell the difference between me and a stranger because they just don't get any stranger than me. I've just assumed the title "Passing Strange" this morning |
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| 07:20.57 | tarzeau | slacker_nl: what's the issue? |
| 07:21.12 | gan | olz anyone tell me how to use gpsd |
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| 07:21.43 | kn0x | hey |
| 07:21.47 | tufa | I deleted bash on my machine by mistake and now I can't seem to be able to do anything - any ideas ? |
| 07:21.48 | gan | sorry please tell me to use garmin gpsdrive in debian |
| 07:21.58 | tarzeau | tufa: install it? |
| 07:22.07 | kn0x | i need an encrypted fs solution |
| 07:22.10 | kn0x | for my vps |
| 07:22.10 | tarzeau | tufa: copy it from somewhere else? do you have another shell you can use? like zsh? |
| 07:22.12 | kn0x | any idea? |
| 07:22.17 | piztek_ | oh get this |
| 07:22.21 | tarzeau | kn0x: mac os x has something nice :) |
| 07:22.23 | kn0x | I can't recompile my kernel/load kernel modules |
| 07:22.34 | kn0x | no no for debian sarge |
| 07:22.35 | kn0x | ;) |
| 07:22.37 | liable | gan: there is docs when you install the package, theres also kismet docs how to use it |
| 07:22.43 | tarzeau | kn0x: man, sarge? |
| 07:22.49 | piztek_ | a multi-card reader that plugs into the usb port on the motherboard causes shutdowns on bootup for any os |
| 07:22.52 | tarzeau | the soldier is dead |
| 07:23.04 | tufa | tarzeau: any command I run results in "bash: XYZ: command not found" |
| 07:23.11 | tarzeau | kn0x: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/sarge-acupuncture.jpg |
| 07:23.15 | kn0x | tarzeau: whats wrong with sarge? |
| 07:23.24 | gan | liable, i installed gpsd gpsdrive kismet |
| 07:23.37 | liable | gan: and you have read the docs? |
| 07:23.37 | tarzeau | kn0x: sid put a nail in the plastic sarge soldiers head, and the soldier fell to ground, dead |
| 07:23.49 | kn0x | lol omg |
| 07:23.51 | kn0x | seriuosly |
| 07:23.56 | tarzeau | tufa: why are you root? why do you remove bash? |
| 07:23.57 | kn0x | etch hasnt even been stable that long |
| 07:24.01 | tarzeau | kn0x: really i don't know sorry |
| 07:24.06 | kn0x | no problem |
| 07:24.07 | tarzeau | kn0x: half a year? |
| 07:24.09 | kn0x | just saying |
| 07:24.19 | gan | liable, it showing some default value , even if switch off it showing something |
| 07:24.22 | tarzeau | kn0x: we already have software that's too old or too bugy inside etch |
| 07:24.29 | liable | gan: and you have read the docs? |
| 07:24.47 | gan | liable, im not having that docs with me |
| 07:24.52 | kn0x | well still i need something to encrypt my fs |
| 07:24.58 | kn0x | on my shitty OpenVZ vps |
| 07:25.04 | kn0x | sarge is all they offer |
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| 07:25.19 | kn0x | unless of course i want (ick) centos |
| 07:25.19 | liable | gan: the docs come with the packages, /usr/share/doc/<package> |
| 07:25.32 | liable | gan: you also have internet access.. |
| 07:25.45 | tufa | tarzeau: it was a mistake - any way to recover now though ? |
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| 07:25.45 | gan | liable,hmm ok |
| 07:26.02 | tarzeau | tufa: from backup or just get the bash binary from say livecd.gnustep.org ? |
| 07:26.09 | tarzeau | tufa: it's not that hard to fix |
| 07:26.11 | slacker_nl | tarzeau: configfile with var1=value1, var2=value2, .. varN=valueN |
| 07:26.14 | slacker_nl | now i want to see wheter $userinput (var2) is a variable inside my configfile so test ! -z ${$userinput} |
| 07:26.24 | tarzeau | slacker_nl: really i did that, check the source of www.linuks.mine.nu/ibackup/ |
| 07:26.35 | slacker_nl | >> insert this: user can run an application ./script start var2 |
| 07:26.39 | slacker_nl | klik |
| 07:26.45 | slacker_nl | ok, will have a look |
| 07:26.47 | liable | gan: if you are into wardriving, maybe you should use one of the live cd's made for such purpose |
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| 07:27.42 | tarzeau | time for some new funny debian banners (for etch and lenny) |
| 07:27.47 | blahdeblah | Hi. I've just converted an old P3 866 server to a VMware VM, and it won't boot. (It just sits there with an empty screen.) I've ensured /boot/grub/grub.conf is correct, and i've reinstalled grub into the MBA. What else do i need to check to work out why it's not booting? |
| 07:27.59 | blahdeblah | (It's running sarge, BTW.) |
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| 07:28.26 | tufa | tarzeau: if I scp the bash back to the machine - I get "/bin/bash: No such file or directory" |
| 07:28.36 | tarzeau | tufa: that's why i said use a livecd? |
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| 07:28.44 | tarzeau | tufa: that was obvious |
| 07:28.59 | tufa | tufa: ok, I'll need to burn one... |
| 07:29.05 | tufa | thanks |
| 07:29.18 | tarzeau | tufa: which one are you going to take? |
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| 07:30.07 | tufa | tarzeau: anything will do - probably try an ubuntu (for grins) |
| 07:30.32 | tarzeau | tufa: the one i suggested you had the best tools for me so far, and i've used it to rescue many things that others were not able to |
| 07:30.41 | tarzeau | but then yours can be probably fixed with any livecd |
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| 07:31.20 | blahdeblah | tarzeau: Mind repeating your preferred livecd? |
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| 07:31.39 | tarzeau | blahdeblah: no, livecd.gnustep.org |
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| 07:32.03 | liable | </shameless plug for gnustep> |
| 07:32.06 | seanp2k | can someone look over my /etc/network/interfaces and tell me why it's giving me an error during boot? |
| 07:32.08 | seanp2k | http://www.nomorepasting.com/getpaste.php?pasteid=1659 |
| 07:32.08 | blahdeblah | Curious |
| 07:33.12 | liable | seanp2k: and the error? |
| 07:33.15 | blahdeblah | seanp2k: If you comment out allow-hotplug, you need to add "auto ethX". |
| 07:33.34 | blahdeblah | tarzeau: If i'm confident that my grub is correct, where else would i look for boot errors from that livecd? |
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| 07:33.43 | liable | seanp2k: which doc says 'up' is a valid parameter? |
| 07:33.43 | slacker_nl | tarzeau: where in the ibackup script can i find this? |
| 07:34.11 | tarzeau | slacker_nl: grep eval /usr/bin/ibackup |
| 07:34.32 | tarzeau | blahdeblah: which error do you get? |
| 07:34.41 | blahdeblah | tarzeau: nothing at all, just a blank screen |
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| 07:34.51 | tarzeau | blahdeblah: oh for that sarge image you made into a vm? |
| 07:34.55 | blahdeblah | Yep |
| 07:35.02 | seanp2k | how can i view the log of boot scroll? |
| 07:35.03 | tarzeau | blahdeblah: any reason you can't lift it to etch and install it again? |
| 07:35.08 | seanp2k | i couldn't find it in /var/log |
| 07:35.11 | tarzeau | seanp2k: dmesg? |
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| 07:35.21 | blahdeblah | tarzeau: I don't want to deal with the upgrade and VM conversion issues at the same time. |
| 07:35.29 | liable | seanp2k: just run /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 07:35.42 | slacker_nl | tarzeau: only thing it find is eval "$uploadcmd |
| 07:35.47 | tarzeau | blahdeblah: i see, but i'd do this: install etch in a new vm, take over the config/software to it |
| 07:35.54 | tarzeau | slacker_nl: so that's it :) |
| 07:35.58 | liable | seanp2k: /var/log/messages or dmesg should show it though |
| 07:36.02 | tarzeau | slacker_nl: you can eval the full line of stuff |
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| 07:36.06 | blahdeblah | tarzeau: I did that with sarge, and the new VM was fine when i booted it first |
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| 07:36.55 | tarzeau | blahdeblah: i really don't like vmware (they're spamming me even on kind requests to not do so) |
| 07:37.01 | seanp2k | /etc/network/interfaces:20: option with empty value |
| 07:37.01 | seanp2k | ifup: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces" |
| 07:37.01 | seanp2k | failed. |
| 07:37.03 | tarzeau | blahdeblah: try #vmware or their support lines? |
| 07:37.11 | tarzeau | blahdeblah: do you know virtualbox? |
| 07:37.17 | seanp2k | ooh. stupid me. line 20 |
| 07:37.25 | piztek_ | how are linux users supposed to get photos onto their machines? |
| 07:37.39 | tarzeau | piztek_: from a camera? gtkam |
| 07:37.44 | subx | ive setup a postfix server and i can send and recieve email on it ok, at the moment im using mutt as the mail client. I've also installed courier-imaps and squirrelmail, but i cannot get squirrelmail to read email, however, it can send mail ok ? |
| 07:37.48 | tarzeau | piztek_: xsane works too |
| 07:37.52 | tarzeau | (from scanners) |
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| 07:38.24 | seanp2k | so if I want an interface to come up but not use DHCP (it complains about too few params for an iface line ) and I have this: iface wlan0 inet |
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| 07:39.04 | liable | seanp2k: man interfaces (your missing manual/dhcp) |
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| 07:39.38 | liable | seanp2k: better /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 07:39.38 | seanp2k | liable: I read that and some of it too wordy |
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| 07:39.42 | liable | too wordy? |
| 07:39.44 | seanp2k | liable: i'll try that. those usually help. thanks. |
| 07:39.52 | seanp2k | it has a really short example |
| 07:40.00 | seanp2k | that uses two profiles |
| 07:40.03 | slacker_nl | tarzeau: thnx! |
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| 07:40.11 | liable | ok, the ifupdown docs are pretty good |
| 07:40.11 | piztek_ | are ram cards ntfs? |
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| 07:41.27 | blahdeblah | tarzeau: Yeah - heard of it, but haven't looked at it yet. I'm fairly set on my virtualization technology. |
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| 07:41.41 | blahdeblah | The VM was working with a new sarge install, but when i copied my old box over the top, it broke. |
| 07:41.41 | blahdeblah | I was expecting that, but i figured after i fixed grub & /etc/fstab it should be OK. |
| 07:42.23 | sandman | Is it just me, or is Debian Etch lacking in AAC support? |
| 07:42.56 | seanp2k | liable: human error: TL;DR |
| 07:43.01 | seanp2k | lol thanks tho |
| 07:43.14 | liable | eh? |
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| 07:43.29 | Snover | liable, he's complaining it's too long |
| 07:43.46 | liable | oh dear |
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| 07:44.30 | blahdeblah | sandman: General consensus is that if you want something better than MP3, use Ogg Vorbis. |
| 07:45.04 | liable | seanp2k: maybe ubuntu is more for you |
| 07:45.39 | seanp2k | liable: nah I'm just being a lazy jerk...i read it and found what i need |
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| 07:45.57 | seanp2k | one question though, is promiscious mode similar to monitor mode? |
| 07:46.16 | liable | yes |
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| 07:47.03 | liable | was there a digg article on wardriving recently? |
| 07:47.25 | seanp2k | idk; i don't read digg |
| 07:47.54 | sandman | blahdeblah: I see... |
| 07:48.01 | seanp2k | is "promisc on" valid for a wireless device? |
| 07:48.07 | sandman | blahdeblah: Ogg Vorbis > AAC/MP4? |
| 07:48.11 | seanp2k | or should I use "mode monitor" |
| 07:48.19 | liable | monitor |
| 07:48.26 | seanp2k | alright cool |
| 07:48.57 | liable | but you won't be able to associate to an ap |
| 07:49.53 | seanp2k | yes, i want my USB card to be in monitor mode for scanning |
| 07:50.02 | blahdeblah | sandman: It has excellent audio quality, and is patent free. Because i don't have any devices that support AAC, i couldn't say. Generally, an 80 Kbps Ogg will sound as good as or better than a 128 Kbps MP3 from the same lossless source. |
| 07:50.57 | liable | poor old ogg with its poor uptake by mainstream, even though its superior |
| 07:51.16 | sandman | 24kbps AAC sounds like 96kbps MP3, from my experience. |
| 07:51.23 | sandman | But I see your point about being patent-free. |
| 07:51.36 | seanp2k | IMO if you want quality use FLAC otherwise use MP3 V0 |
| 07:51.50 | sandman | V0? |
| 07:51.58 | liable | if i wasnt going deaf i would care :) |
| 07:52.00 | sandman | And I agree about the FLAC thing. |
| 07:52.03 | blahdeblah | sandman: That was my next question. :-) |
| 07:52.13 | seanp2k | VBR V0 |
| 07:52.14 | Snover | sandman, http://www.cesnet.cz/doc/techzpravy/2006/vorbis/ |
| 07:52.17 | rahul | I am |
| 07:52.20 | seanp2k | v0 is a preset in lame |
| 07:52.21 | rahul | STONED |
| 07:52.29 | seanp2k | rahul: that's nice. |
| 07:52.32 | rahul | :) |
| 07:52.52 | rahul | thank god I use ogg |
| 07:52.54 | seanp2k | rahul: try out virual hypnotist and let me know how it goes when you're like that |
| 07:53.10 | rahul | seanp2k: where? |
| 07:53.12 | blahdeblah | rahul: I wish i could, but my car stereo doesn't do Ogg... |
| 07:53.14 | blahdeblah | :-) |
| 07:53.28 | seanp2k | blahdeblah: that's my other reason to use MP3 |
| 07:53.29 | rahul | oh, I work at home |
| 07:53.39 | sandman | There must be something wrong with that test you sent me, Snover |
| 07:53.42 | xsdg | rahul: so you're stoned at work? |
| 07:53.44 | seanp2k | blahdeblah: because mine does MP3 / WMA but i hate WMA |
| 07:53.45 | xsdg | man... |
| 07:53.52 | sandman | It says that 64kbps Ogg sounds worse quality than 32kbps Ogg |
| 07:54.03 | rahul | heh |
| 07:54.14 | seanp2k | sandman: ORLY? |
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| 07:54.27 | Gnea | sandman: does it? |
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| 07:54.47 | sandman | Yup. |
| 07:54.55 | sandman | Just look at the bottom of the page of the link you sent me. |
| 07:54.57 | Gnea | prove it. |
| 07:54.58 | seanp2k | rahul: http://sourceforge.net/projects/vhypno/ |
| 07:55.26 | Gnea | btw, my car stereo does OGG just fine |
| 07:56.18 | Snover | sandman, okay, here's another one then ;) http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=35438 |
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| 07:56.36 | sandman | Can I pin on a suite codename? Like, pin on Lenny instead of on "Testing" in a lenny/sid installation? |
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| 07:56.44 | rahul | sandman: yess |
| 07:56.59 | rahul | but only if you downgrade your car's chips |
| 07:57.40 | seanp2k | gnea: what headunit do you have? I'm in the market, my panasonic CQ8300 just started skipping real bad |
| 07:58.41 | Gnea | seanp2k: none, i just use a decent mp3 player that supports ogg with an fm transmitter |
| 07:58.55 | liable | cheater |
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| 07:59.02 | Snover | yes, what he said ;) |
| 07:59.05 | Gnea | how is it cheating? |
| 07:59.08 | liable | thats not really a car stereo |
| 07:59.08 | Gnea | it works :) |
| 07:59.25 | Gnea | it's played through the speakers of the car stereo |
| 07:59.29 | Gnea | therefore, it is. |
| 07:59.39 | Snover | It's not your car stereo that's playing OGG though |
| 07:59.40 | Gnea | and it sounds good, too |
| 07:59.45 | Gnea | who cares? |
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| 08:00.05 | liable | you miss the point |
| 08:00.10 | Snover | "my car stereo does OGG" <-- this is the sort of thing a politician would say ;) |
| 08:00.12 | Gnea | seanp2k: have you tried a cd cleaner? |
| 08:00.14 | seanp2k | gnea: lucky to have an OGG mp3 player. and yes cheater |
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| 08:00.37 | seanp2k | gnea: no but I thought of that. I kind of want a new one anyway and I'm getting a new car soon |
| 08:00.51 | Snover | O |
| 08:00.58 | Snover | whoops, stray character :) |
| 08:01.00 | rahul | P |
| 08:01.26 | seanp2k | gnea: i need 5volt outputs though, have a full system to drive, 600w orion 4ch amp and 2500w orion sub amp |
| 08:01.33 | Subdino | hi. I'm using sid on x86-64, and a recent update broke all my intrds. symptom was a "libcrypt.so.1 not found" panic at boot with mkinitramfs-kpkg, and now with yaird I get a "dash: libc.so.6 not found" panic. |
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| 08:02.11 | Subdino | I un-cpio-ed the initrd, and there is /lib64/libc-2.6.so but no libc.so.6 |
| 08:02.37 | liable | even trying to find a personal music player that does ogg isnt that easy |
| 08:02.37 | Gnea | it's not cheating if it works. no need to be so jealous. :) |
| 08:02.37 | Gnea | seanp2k: usually when cds start skipping, it's usually because the laser is dirty - try that and see what happens |
| 08:02.37 | Gnea | liable: LG UP3 |
| 08:02.37 | Gnea | IIRC, $60 for a 1gig at Fry's |
| 08:02.38 | Gnea | could be cheaper these days |
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| 08:02.38 | liable | Gnea: radio too? |
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| 08:02.58 | liable | wtf? |
| 08:03.01 | Snover | liable, it's easy, iPod will do it.. you just need to install Rockbox :\ |
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| 08:03.14 | liable | Snover: i refuse to buy an ipod |
| 08:03.29 | Snover | liable, I was that way for a really long time too :) |
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| 08:03.55 | liable | Gnea: funny, you didnt even get that paste to channel before you were kicked |
| 08:04.18 | Gnea | liable: nah, the radio bit is seperate, but that's under $10 |
| 08:04.22 | Snover | Then I gave in, because I looked and there was *nothing* else that would play Ogg and not break after a few months. |
| 08:04.38 | liable | i didnt think ipod did ogg? |
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| 08:04.52 | Gnea | liable: i didn't even paste anything. i just typed 4 lines and debhelper lags so much that it picked it up as flood. |
| 08:04.53 | Snover | You need to install Rockbox, but the hardware is fully capable |
| 08:05.01 | liable | rockbox is a firmware thing? |
| 08:05.10 | Snover | Yes, it replaces the standard iPod software |
| 08:05.20 | sandman | Hm. That's strange. lvm-common is being removed as I dist-upgrade from etch to Lenny |
| 08:05.21 | Snover | It's not as polished but it works well |
| 08:05.24 | ArkoldThos | rockbox is very nice |
| 08:05.27 | ArkoldThos | and easy to install |
| 08:05.32 | Snover | Gnea, you lagged and flooded the channel, sorry ;) |
| 08:05.47 | seanp2k | !paste |
| 08:05.47 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 08:06.10 | liable | not from my freenode server |
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| 08:06.21 | liable | his messages were spaced quite apart |
| 08:06.22 | Gnea | push-overs. |
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| 08:06.37 | Snover | Oh. Well then. kubrick.freenode.net lagged :D |
| 08:06.44 | tarzeau | what do you think she says/thinks? http://www.sheilaomalley.com/archives/happyplace4.jpg |
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| 08:06.53 | tarzeau | or this guy? http://www.sheilaomalley.com/archives/happyplace3.jpg |
| 08:07.03 | Snover | Or half of Comcast's network went down for a few seconds... either one is plausible :) |
| 08:07.18 | seanp2k | does anyone know if they got rockbox working on a sansa rhapsody? |
| 08:07.36 | seanp2k | i got one for $100 less than retail at best buy because it was rhapsody |
| 08:07.51 | seanp2k | 8gb for $160 IIRC |
| 08:07.58 | Snover | It works on Sansa E200s |
| 08:08.24 | seanp2k | Snover: yes but I have an e280r and I think it's still unsupported because of the R |
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| 08:09.01 | liable | tarzeau: <she thinks> this new egg vibrator rocks <he thinks> hah, no one knows i'm playing pocket pinball ?? |
| 08:09.18 | tarzeau | liable: hahahha about him :) |
| 08:09.28 | tarzeau | liable: but for her i think more like "YAY I INSTALLED TEH DEBIAN" |
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| 08:09.32 | Snover | It looks like someone tried to erase her left hand :) |
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| 08:09.42 | Snover | seanp2k, yes they say it still doesn't work :) |
| 08:09.56 | seanp2k | Snover: shame, it's such crappy firmware |
| 08:10.04 | seanp2k | rhapsody that is |
| 08:10.18 | tarzeau | Snover: haha :) well seen detective sherlock holmes! |
| 08:10.43 | Snover | And by her left.. I mean..my left...... |
| 08:10.49 | Snover | I think I need to sleep now |
| 08:10.50 | Snover | :) |
| 08:11.12 | tarzeau | liable: did you see the rocket launcher canon behind the guy? |
| 08:11.27 | tarzeau | liable: they are aiming right up his.. eh.. behind, heh |
| 08:11.49 | liable | tarzeau: gun barrels? |
| 08:12.12 | tarzeau | liable: the camera? |
| 08:12.22 | liable | looks like a camera to me |
| 08:12.39 | Snover | It's a camera disguised as a machine gun! o.O? |
| 08:12.45 | liable | and it looks to be looking at or above his head |
| 08:13.08 | liable | and slightly to his left :P |
| 08:15.01 | liable | tarzeau: only a #debianite would imagine a girl looking like that with a shiny new debian install ;) |
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| 08:15.24 | Subdino | any idea how to make yaird include /lib64/libc.so.6 symlink in the initrd ? any reason why it would not ? |
| 08:15.34 | seanp2k | liable: she just got a LAMP server done up in Sarge! |
| 08:16.05 | sandman | Is it usual for a lot of packages to be pulled from sid in a dist-upgrade from Etch => Lenny? |
| 08:16.29 | liable | sandman: why would going to lenny pull sid packages? |
| 08:16.43 | siimo | im running a WIMP server windows+iis+mysql+php lol |
| 08:16.47 | tarzeau | liable: in nethack she'd be thinking ""yay i found the vibrating square" |
| 08:16.55 | sandman | I should add: I've both sid and lenny sources defined. apt.conf contains APT::Default-Release "lenny"; |
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| 08:17.41 | sandman | So I can understand that if there's a dependency that is not in Lenny, but is in Sid... it'll pull from Sid. |
| 08:17.44 | liable | Subdino: should it? i cant see why an initrd would have a link to libc6 |
| 08:17.47 | seanp2k | siimo: windows + apache is alright, but something like freebsd would way more stable and less hackable so why not you know |
| 08:18.00 | Subdino | liable: dash won't load without it |
| 08:18.02 | sandman | But it appears that quite a few packages are being pulled from sid... is Lenny really that empty right now? |
| 08:18.22 | Subdino | the libc is in the initrd, but under another name, as I earlier said |
| 08:18.29 | liable | Subdino: but that should be started after the real kernel is booted. no? |
| 08:19.05 | Subdino | kernel loads, loads the initrd, and panics "attemp to kill init" after complaiing about missing libc when linking dash |
| 08:19.24 | liable | i have to admit that i am init retarded |
| 08:19.45 | liable | erm, doesnt grub load initrd, intrd loads kernel? |
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| 08:20.02 | simonrvn | speaking of, i need to see if this upstart thingy works... |
| 08:20.02 | siimo | seanp2k: fair enough but WISC is pretty slick for development |
| 08:20.09 | Subdino | ah, right, bootloader loads kernel & initrd, but the kernel starts the execution of initrd |
| 08:20.59 | liable | Subdino: i thought it was, initrd passes off to kernel ? |
| 08:21.11 | liable | grub->initrd->kernel ?? |
| 08:21.21 | Subdino | basically, initrd is used to load modules needed to mount anything needed to reach regular /lib/modules and /sbin/init, to avoid making those modules static in kernel image |
| 08:21.47 | Subdino | thus allowing to build generic kernel image, just building custom initrd at kernel install |
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| 08:22.05 | Subdino | but in my case, initrd build fails silently, and I don't get what is wrong |
| 08:22.23 | Subdino | and thus I'm far from understanding how to fix it |
| 08:22.59 | liable | if you are building a kernel, do you have a need for an initrd? |
| 08:23.07 | liable | s/need/reason/ |
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| 08:23.25 | liable | or both |
| 08:23.30 | Subdino | if you makes the modules you need static, I think you don't need. |
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| 08:23.52 | Subdino | but I would like to stuck with the nice kernel packages if possible :) |
| 08:23.55 | liable | yes, so if you are going to bother compiling a kernel, why bother with an initrd? |
| 08:23.57 | Subdino | stick* |
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| 08:24.06 | k-man | hi |
| 08:24.11 | Subdino | I'm not rebuilding the kernel, just installing the regular deb |
| 08:24.40 | liable | oh, this is a debian kernel failing? |
| 08:24.41 | k-man | i have an smbfs mounted from my server, but the server has been rebooted but I can't umount the fs |
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| 08:24.45 | k-man | it says its busy |
| 08:24.57 | Subdino | which automaticaly invokes initrd builders (was mkinitramfs-kpkg when I installed it, then I installed yaird and removed the package containing mkinitramfs-kpkg |
| 08:25.02 | k-man | how can i work out what process is using it? |
| 08:25.12 | liable | fuser/lsof |
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| 08:25.40 | k-man | trying fuser now, lsof doesn't work |
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| 08:26.07 | tarzeau | smbstat ? |
| 08:26.35 | Subdino | liable: yep, regular debian packages. I tried multiple --reinstall in case a file was broken for some reason... no improvement |
| 08:26.43 | alp_ | i've just finished to install ipw2200 and ieee modules with module-assistant and i've put the firmware files in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/. what have i got to do to make my wireless card work ? |
| 08:26.49 | liable | Subdino: checked bts? |
| 08:26.53 | tarzeau | or smbstatus |
| 08:26.59 | k-man | ok |
| 08:27.01 | k-man | ill try those |
| 08:27.02 | k-man | thanks |
| 08:27.07 | liable | Subdino: if its not already filed, you should file a bug for it |
| 08:27.25 | Subdino | liable: no, but I have apt-listbugs, and it did not warn me... but I should double check. |
| 08:27.36 | tarzeau | wow crazy, debian doesn't have either |
| 08:27.40 | Subdino | probably... I would prefer to come up with the solution |
| 08:27.52 | Subdino | just in case it's something stupid |
| 08:28.55 | k-man | hmm... smbstatus says no locked files |
| 08:28.57 | liable | Subdino: getting your bug closed with the <user is an idiot> tag is character building ;) |
| 08:29.05 | Subdino | hehe |
| 08:29.21 | tarzeau | k-man: and smbstat.sf.net ? |
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| 08:29.41 | Subdino | the only bad thing I did and which I remember now was to reboot after a failed dist-upgrade with incomplete configuration of packages |
| 08:29.46 | tarzeau | k-man: you got to get it by cvs: cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@smbstat.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/smbstat co -P smbstat |
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| 08:29.59 | k-man | tarzeau, oh |
| 08:30.00 | k-man | ok |
| 08:30.04 | liable | Subdino: ah, so now the truth comes out.. :P |
| 08:30.06 | Subdino | the reboot went rather fine, then I finished the install... maybe something bad happened in the configuration order |
| 08:30.17 | tarzeau | k-man: if it's good i'll package it :) |
| 08:30.17 | liable | Subdino: booting the old kernel works obviously? |
| 08:30.23 | Subdino | no |
| 08:30.29 | Subdino | I'm on rescue cd, chrooted |
| 08:30.36 | k-man | tarzeau, ok.. ill give it a go |
| 08:30.43 | Subdino | ...and with an X to do qemu testing of the initrds :$ |
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| 08:31.04 | liable | you dont have any working kernels at all? |
| 08:31.16 | Subdino | nop, all my intrds were trashed at the same time |
| 08:31.23 | Subdino | with same error |
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| 08:32.03 | k-man | Subdino, whats the error you get? |
| 08:32.03 | blowfish | hi |
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| 08:32.12 | tarzeau | k-man: check gnu.ethz.ch/debian/smbstat/ from time to time |
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| 08:32.17 | blowfish | how made my own based debian linux |
| 08:33.02 | blowfish | ? |
| 08:33.14 | liable | Subdino: compile a kernel by hand without an initrd, boot into it and remake your initrds from there (just re-install your images) |
| 08:33.21 | Subdino | k-man: /bin/dash: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 08:33.30 | Subdino | followed by a kernel panic |
| 08:33.48 | liable | making initrds from a chroot i have found problematic the once or twice i have done it |
| 08:33.58 | k-man | Subdino, oh... |
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| 08:34.02 | k-man | Subdino, sounds bad |
| 08:34.09 | Subdino | mmh, that's probably an idea |
| 08:34.17 | liable | Subdino: show us your dpkg log |
| 08:34.49 | k-man | tarzeau, hmm... how do you configure it to build it? |
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| 08:35.05 | liable | if libc6 was baulked during install, it should be fun to fix |
| 08:35.08 | tarzeau | k-man: dunno yet, looking at it... |
| 08:35.30 | k-man | tarzeau, the configure stuff isn't executable |
| 08:35.31 | Subdino | well, the system itself is working, otherwise I could not chroot in it |
| 08:35.43 | tarzeau | k-man: ah it gets tricky then :) |
| 08:35.45 | liable | point |
| 08:35.48 | Subdino | I reinstalled libc6 in the way in the chroot, just to make sure |
| 08:35.50 | k-man | tarzeau, yeah |
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| 08:36.14 | tarzeau | k-man: are you familiar with the auto* mess? |
| 08:36.27 | k-man | tarzeau, not at all |
| 08:36.33 | tarzeau | k-man: lucky you :) |
| 08:36.40 | tarzeau | k-man: it's a brain killer |
| 08:36.41 | k-man | tarzeau, hehe |
| 08:36.47 | XtypeWriter74 | my computer just crashed, is there a place where i can find a document on why it crashed? |
| 08:37.05 | liable | logs |
| 08:37.10 | liable | !log |
| 08:37.10 | dpkg | logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/ |
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| 08:37.12 | tarzeau | XtypeWriter74: how did it crash? blinking leds? black screen? |
| 08:37.28 | liable | wheres the real log factoid! |
| 08:37.29 | k-man | tarzeau, looks to me like the dev is in the middle of getting the configure stuff to work or somethng |
| 08:37.34 | XtypeWriter74 | everything froze |
| 08:37.48 | liable | we need background info |
| 08:37.52 | XtypeWriter74 | nothing moved at all |
| 08:38.02 | tarzeau | k-man: yeah there's an ordered thing of auto stuff you can use to build them. let's make it a puzzle: |
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| 08:38.10 | liable | but what did you manage to do to get it in this state? |
| 08:38.14 | XtypeWriter74 | leds did blink they froze to |
| 08:38.21 | liable | new driver? new kernel? |
| 08:38.31 | tarzeau | k-man: you'll need aclocal, autoconf, automake, autoheader (i hope i didn't forget one) |
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| 08:38.39 | k-man | ok |
| 08:38.46 | tarzeau | k-man: the trick is to have it in the right order :) |
| 08:38.51 | k-man | tarzeau, ah |
| 08:38.52 | k-man | ok |
| 08:38.55 | k-man | il try |
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| 08:39.04 | XtypeWriter74 | i was run linuxdcpp and had alot to be hashed and then -freeze- |
| 08:39.10 | liable | i think i need to go to AA, i read aclocal and read alcohol |
| 08:39.23 | tarzeau | liable: oh right i forgot the alcohol :) |
| 08:39.43 | k-man | tarzeau, hmm.. it broke on the automake |
| 08:39.53 | k-man | configure.in:7: required file `./missing' not found |
| 08:39.55 | tarzeau | k-man: which of them did you run first? |
| 08:40.08 | k-man | aclocal, autoconf, automake |
| 08:40.20 | tarzeau | k-man: i didn't say the above is the right order :) |
| 08:40.29 | tarzeau | k-man: i just said you need them. a little puzzle |
| 08:40.35 | k-man | tarzeau, oh |
| 08:40.36 | k-man | i see |
| 08:40.44 | k-man | my missunderstanding :) |
| 08:40.49 | tarzeau | k-man: aclocal,autoheader,authoconf,automake works |
| 08:41.00 | tarzeau | k-man: then ./configure,make |
| 08:41.03 | Subdino | mmh, funny, from qemu I can access files I deleted from the disk... sounds fishy |
| 08:41.03 | liable | buils-essential |
| 08:41.10 | liable | build even |
| 08:41.20 | Subdino | I'm runing qemu on the disk I'm chrooted into |
| 08:41.21 | tarzeau | k-man: configure would fail though :) |
| 08:41.31 | tarzeau | k-man: i need to consult my auto* mess wizard |
| 08:41.36 | Subdino | sync doesn't fix that... any dev-specific cache ? |
| 08:41.43 | tarzeau | k-man: do you also have a auto* secretary? |
| 08:42.25 | k-man | tarzeau, nah, it still fails on automake for me |
| 08:43.09 | liable | i blacklisted ipv6 but some stupid app keeps trying to load it, why dont logs tell me. its spamming me via logcheck |
| 08:43.19 | tarzeau | k-man: you must be missing something :) or some old versions of something |
| 08:43.26 | nanonyme | liable: what's wrong with ipv6? |
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| 08:43.31 | liable | i thought it was postfix, but it turns out not to be |
| 08:43.33 | tarzeau | liable: hah i've had this too |
| 08:43.44 | liable | nanonyme: my routers firmware baulks on it atm |
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| 08:43.51 | nanonyme | hmm |
| 08:44.04 | liable | nanonyme: it times out with AAAA lookups |
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| 08:44.15 | nanonyme | ok |
| 08:44.30 | Gigantic | Do someone know how to flush memory manually ? |
| 08:44.31 | nanonyme | liable: would the addresses actually have AAAA records? |
| 08:44.44 | tarzeau | liable: you did so in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ? |
| 08:44.45 | liable | nanonyme: which addresses? |
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| 08:44.58 | nanonyme | the one's you're trying to resolve |
| 08:45.11 | liable | tarzeau: yup, and alias file |
| 08:45.28 | liable | nanonyme: its not me, its some daemon on the server doing it |
| 08:45.33 | tarzeau | liable: you know, i remember it's two places, let me find the 2nd |
| 08:45.41 | k-man | tarzeau, probably |
| 08:45.41 | tarzeau | liable: worst case one can always delete a module :) |
| 08:45.42 | liable | aliases! |
| 08:46.14 | liable | tarzeau: then i would get an error, 'not loading unexistent module'! ;) |
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| 08:46.33 | tarzeau | liable: replace the module with a dummy module :) |
| 08:46.45 | tsocks | i'm going to sleep ... |
| 08:46.48 | tarzeau | liable: but don't rename gv into not.gv (it'll segfault) |
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| 08:48.18 | Subdino | gah, I regenerated initrd after ldconfig and it contains the symlink forlibs, and others symlinks aswell |
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| 08:48.51 | liable | that sounds good, not gah |
| 08:49.00 | Subdino | but still doesn't boot, probably because it searches in /lib only |
| 08:49.20 | Subdino | ...and libs are in /lib64, ith modules in /lib |
| 08:49.24 | Subdino | so it's "gah" :) |
| 08:49.42 | liable | Subdino: have you asked in the 64 channel? |
| 08:49.50 | Subdino | nop |
| 08:50.17 | tarzeau | is there anyone in here living in mallorca? |
| 08:50.50 | liable | why? |
| 08:50.58 | tarzeau | liable: i think i go there for a week |
| 08:51.14 | liable | majorca? |
| 08:51.18 | tarzeau | liable: a sports/holiday week, no boozing |
| 08:51.24 | liable | pffft |
| 08:51.41 | tarzeau | liable: yes majorca (in spain) |
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| 08:52.53 | liable | tarzeau: on of .au most famous white collar criminals immigrated to majorca |
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| 08:53.11 | tarzeau | liable: ah nice, do you want me to kick his ass? |
| 08:53.19 | liable | he is supposed to have died, but he's prolly running a bar |
| 08:53.40 | tarzeau | liable: i'd rather come to .au but it's just too far/expensive |
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| 08:53.44 | xingu | Subdino: usr/share/initramfs-tools/hook-functions: copy_exec(): is where that magic happens, and I don't think the shellcode precludes /lib64 |
| 08:53.50 | tarzeau | liable: but one day i'll visit the sheep in new zealand! |
| 08:53.50 | themill | liable: hmmm wonder who you're talking about.... it's all "too good to be true" |
| 08:53.55 | liable | tarzeau: i am not the sort of person to get burned by those types. I dont have money to invest ;) |
| 08:54.19 | xingu | Subdino: does this binary have a mangled rpath or something? |
| 08:54.34 | liable | tarzeau: confuse me. new zealand isnt .au |
| 08:54.42 | tarzeau | liable: likewise :) i'd rather get leonard pickard freed |
| 08:54.56 | liable | tarzeau: and nz is further than .au from you |
| 08:55.00 | tarzeau | liable: :) i was kidding, i'd make a .au/.nz trip if i came down there |
| 08:55.03 | themill | liable: well.... 7th state and they're all in Coogee claiming the .au doll anyway.... |
| 08:55.18 | tarzeau | liable: you're in sydney? |
| 08:55.26 | corpcomp | is there such a thing as a net install cd/iso for sarge. Having some difficulties finging it. I can find it for etch, but I don't want to install etch. |
| 08:56.06 | liable | tarzeau: no, at the moment perth (western .au) |
| 08:56.08 | skejoe | Hi. I'm trying to get my Intel PRO/wireless ip3945abg card to work, so I've installed ipw3945-modules-2.6.21-2-686, firmware-ipw3945 and ipw3945d and added following in /etc/network/interfaces: auto eth2 \n iface eth2 inet dhcp. |
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| 08:56.27 | liable | tarzeau: but I move often |
| 08:56.31 | tarzeau | liable: you know our student room computers have large city names, perth and sydney.ethz.ch are among |
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| 08:57.02 | tarzeau | liable: hey another, what she's saying? http://blog.kir.com/archives/boilerroom.jpg |
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| 08:58.15 | blowfish | hi all, |
| 08:58.21 | themill | skejoe: and I presume it's not working? any error messages? |
| 08:58.28 | skejoe | Then when I try to ifup eth2 or when I reboot it writes a lot of lines saying: DHCPDISCOVER on eth2 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval * and finally it says: No DHCPOFFERS received |
| 08:58.34 | dondelelcaro | corpcomp: they exist, but you're better off using etch. |
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| 08:58.45 | blowfish | try dhcpd |
| 08:58.55 | blowfish | and het *dhclient |
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| 08:59.32 | dondelelcaro | corpcomp: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ FE |
| 08:59.33 | xingu | skejoe: are you using wep/tkip ? |
| 08:59.44 | skejoe | xingu: nope. |
| 08:59.49 | skejoe | blowfish: will try. |
| 09:00.02 | xingu | skejoe: add wireless_essid youressid |
| 09:00.02 | liable | themill: that ones hard *blank* |
| 09:00.06 | liable | tarzeau: ^^ |
| 09:00.17 | xingu | skejoe: indented, just below iface eth2 inet dhcp |
| 09:00.38 | liable | wireless-essid ? |
| 09:00.54 | tarzeau | liable: no it's more like what most people come here and say "i've got a problem with insert-random-software-package" |
| 09:00.57 | xingu | underscore is what my fine manual had. |
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| 09:01.05 | corpcomp | ty |
| 09:01.09 | tarzeau | liable: but the best was the guy saying gcc is gnome compiler collection |
| 09:01.12 | blowfish | how to made a custom debian linux |
| 09:01.18 | themill | skejoe: what does iwconfig show? perhaps pastebin it for us |
| 09:01.22 | tarzeau | blowfish: i'd use live-helper |
| 09:01.28 | liable | tarzeau: heh |
| 09:01.30 | tarzeau | blowfish: there's #debian-live for it |
| 09:01.34 | skejoe | themill: http://pastebin.antistof.dk/348 |
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| 09:02.07 | dondelelcaro | it's wireless-essid, as man wireless; indicates... |
| 09:02.14 | tarzeau | liable: don't you have some photos of perth ? |
| 09:02.21 | xingu | dondelelcaro: I've been using this setup for years, and it works |
| 09:02.29 | tarzeau | liable: imagemagick is a great photo gallery software that i also use: gnu.ethz.ch/photos/ |
| 09:02.34 | liable | tarzeau: i have been very lazy taking photos lately. |
| 09:02.37 | xingu | dondelelcaro: go figure; originally, I pulled apart the source and shellscripts |
| 09:02.40 | dondelelcaro | xingu: oh, it's quite possible that it does |
| 09:03.08 | themill | skejoe: you need to tell your wireless card to associate to your network. The first line shows that it's unassociated (no essid) |
| 09:03.14 | liable | tarzeau: i was using the perl image module, but recently tried gallery2 |
| 09:03.15 | dondelelcaro | it wouldn't surprise me that the parser is more forgiving than the documentation indicates |
| 09:03.29 | tarzeau | liable: imagemagick is so simple--even i can use it |
| 09:03.32 | dondelelcaro | (but I wouldn't count on it) |
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| 09:03.41 | tarzeau | liable: i'm really picky about software |
| 09:03.56 | themill | skejoe: iwconfig eth1 essid your_network_name |
| 09:03.56 | tarzeau | liable: you know it: i don't use gnome nor kde |
| 09:04.05 | liable | tarzeau: bah, no thimbnails |
| 09:04.08 | liable | tarzeau: wtf? |
| 09:04.12 | tarzeau | liable: sure it has thumbnails |
| 09:04.13 | dondelelcaro | I'm personally a big fan of Apache::Gallery |
| 09:04.23 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: do you have an example gallery of it? |
| 09:04.25 | liable | what does gnome or kde have to do with what i said? |
| 09:04.28 | themill | skejoe: iwlist eth1 scan <--- show a list of available networks |
| 09:04.30 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: gallery.donarmstrong.com |
| 09:04.43 | tarzeau | liable: nothing, just about the big amount of gallery software around, and i only liked imagemagick :) |
| 09:04.52 | liable | tarzeau: thats what i used to use^^ (i think dons the maintainer) |
| 09:04.58 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: the advantage is that there's nothing underneath that there but a directory of images |
| 09:05.04 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: and this is all just one apache module you install enable, stuff photos into dirs, done? |
| 09:05.10 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: right |
| 09:05.12 | themill | skejoe: if you're using kde or gnome then I suggest using NetworkManager is the easiest way of configuring it. |
| 09:05.18 | liable | tarzeau: its very nice |
| 09:05.24 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: great! almost like imagemagick (which just does resizing of images) |
| 09:05.38 | tarzeau | s,imagemagick,imageindexer, |
| 09:05.45 | liable | tarzeau: except adding comments is a pita |
| 09:05.45 | dondelelcaro | yeah, it probably predates imageindexer by quite a white |
| 09:05.56 | tarzeau | liable: no, imageindexer shows the comments of the image |
| 09:05.59 | themill | skejoe: alternatively, do what xingu suggested and stick it in your /etc/network/interfaces if you don't need roaming |
| 09:06.06 | tarzeau | liable: that way you don't lose the comments (they're in the picture, if at all) |
| 09:06.11 | xingu | dondelelcaro: right, so basically ifupdown maps ... foo bar to IF_FOO=BAR when calling if-*.d/ |
| 09:06.13 | liable | tarzeau: i was talking about mod gallery |
| 09:06.50 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: where is this? http://gallery.donarmstrong.com/sunset_3.jpg?orig |
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| 09:07.08 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: the red/othercolor stuff in the far is avoidable when cooling the ccds? |
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| 09:07.14 | tarzeau | liable: yes i got that :) |
| 09:07.15 | xingu | dondelelcaro: the wireless-tools shellscript however is using IF_WIRELESS_* as the parm names; so the parser is obviously doing hyphen-to-underscore mapping as well as lower-to-uppercase mapping |
| 09:07.31 | skejoe | themill: i'll give it a try :) |
| 09:08.59 | themill | skejoe: ok ... I'm off for a while now. good luck! |
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| 09:09.39 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: it's from a hill behind UCR's campus; it's a PoS digital camera, so the quality is kind of garbage |
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| 09:12.03 | Subdino | liable: not much activity on debian-amd64 |
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| 09:12.24 | liable | its funny when i think of .us, i often think that its all cities and high rise and little natural things to see, even though theres some fantastic natural landscapes there |
| 09:12.32 | Macfiron | Hi |
| 09:12.33 | liable | Subdino: yeah, its a quiet channel |
| 09:13.50 | liable | thats prolly what your wife says too! ;) |
| 09:14.02 | Subdino | haha |
| 09:14.12 | xingu | liable: ain't tv a wonderful thing. |
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| 09:15.19 | liable | xingu: i dont blame tv, i just blame general media or whatever, that you dont often see that side of .us unless you are looking for it. |
| 09:15.26 | xingu | liable: then again when people think about oz they typically think about fosters, shrimps, and bbq's |
| 09:15.36 | liable | exactly |
| 09:15.54 | liable | since thats all i think of |
| 09:16.03 | xingu | liable: maybe uluru if they're old enough |
| 09:16.08 | liable | s/fosters/VB/ |
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| 09:17.17 | xingu | liable: s/shrimp/prawn/ too if you're going to be lexically sensitive |
| 09:17.20 | Macfiron | May I interrupt the silence? My debian packet managment prevents me from installing fvwm and I don't understand the problem. |
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| 09:17.29 | liable | xingu: i would imagine younger people are more likely to think of the natural things in .au than the older generations who's exposure relied on tv |
| 09:17.33 | tarzeau | Macfiron: what does it say? |
| 09:17.37 | liable | xingu: touche |
| 09:18.07 | piztek_ | any voice chat programs for linux? |
| 09:18.12 | tarzeau | piztek_: mumble.sf.net |
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| 09:18.34 | piztek_ | anything for yahoo |
| 09:18.40 | Macfiron | if I try to apt-get install it, it says some lines about packets which are not going to be installed |
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| 09:18.41 | liable | gaim |
| 09:18.46 | Macfiron | like fvwm: Depends: gdk-imlib11 but it is not going to be installed |
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| 09:19.15 | liable | just wait for it to be fixed |
| 09:19.19 | sandman | Say, it appears that APT::Default-Release "lenny"; actually doesn't work. APT::Default-Release "testing"; does, but not "lenny". Stating a codename appears to be about as good as having no default release set at all. I was wondering how I'd set the default release to a codename |
| 09:19.21 | sandman | Or pin on a codename |
| 09:19.41 | piztek_ | liable: gaim does voice? |
| 09:19.49 | sandman | Perhaps Pin: release c=lenny ? |
| 09:19.51 | sandman | c for codename? |
| 09:19.59 | liable | piztek_: i believe so, depending on the version |
| 09:20.56 | vinyl | are there any initramfs-experts around by any chance? ;) |
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| 09:21.39 | vinyl | i am trying to get eth0 up and running from within initramfs, but without booting from an nfsroot |
| 09:21.56 | vinyl | busybox-ifconfig doesn't seem to be doing a good job, thou |
| 09:22.02 | vinyl | or i oversaw something |
| 09:22.29 | Macfiron | my status file thinks, that Package: libgtk1.2 is installed and of version Version: 1.2.10-18.1 |
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| 09:23.04 | vinyl | s/oversaw/missed |
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| 09:23.30 | dondelelcaro | sandman: what works is entirely dependent on what the RElease file says. |
| 09:23.53 | dondelelcaro | sandman: since the Release file doesn't say lenny, lenny doesn't work. |
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| 09:24.14 | sandman | dondelelcaro: What if I did this: I setup pinning to prioritize stable as top priority, testing as next, and sid as last. Then, in sources.list, I only listed codenames. In this case, lenny and sid. |
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| 09:24.28 | sandman | So when lenny rolls over to stable, it will still get higher priority than sid. |
| 09:24.34 | piztek_ | liable: i've been asking this for a while now, and i don't think gaim supports this |
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| 09:24.52 | sandman | dondelelcaro: Right. But the sources.list can just specify codenames, which translate into archive names. |
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| 09:25.20 | sandman | dondelelcaro: So I'll just setup a 3-stage pinning file for stable => testing => sid, even though a stable source and a testing source will never be specified at the same time. |
| 09:25.22 | simonrvn | sandman: only due to symlinks |
| 09:25.42 | sandman | This will let an installation roll over from testing/unstable to stable |
| 09:25.47 | sandman | Just naturally. |
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| 09:25.53 | sandman | Sound good? |
| 09:26.56 | sandman | I'm going to get some rest now, I think. |
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| 09:33.04 | psycodad | hi, i've upgraded one of terminal servers from sarge to etch, went fine so far following the instructions in the release notes. But my fonts seem hosed somehow, can't describe, they just are larger, not sharp and generally ugly and unreadable... |
| 09:33.15 | Macfiron | ah, problem solved, I forced fvwm down to stable. Thanks! Bye |
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| 09:35.19 | tarzeau | psycodad: in which software? |
| 09:35.42 | tarzeau | psycodad: fonts are used in the console. in x (in gnome, in mozilla, openoffice, qt, kde, gnustep, gtk,..) |
| 09:35.56 | tarzeau | not to forget latex |
| 09:36.11 | psycodad | tarzeau: afaics everywhere, desktop, firefox, kde apps |
| 09:36.12 | tarzeau | and there's many different types of font too. best would be a screenshot. but i've noticed the same from sarge to etch |
| 09:36.19 | tarzeau | psycodad: screenshot before? after? |
| 09:36.35 | tarzeau | psycodad: did you make the x configuration files? there was a switch from xfree to xorg |
| 09:36.43 | psycodad | not tested locally but via nx and ltsp stations |
| 09:37.19 | xingu | tarzeau: etch xorg is a lot better about guessing "screen" dpi correctly than sarge xfree86 was |
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| 09:37.38 | xingu | tarzeau: starting xorg with a xfree86-inspired "-dpi" flag is hankering for a spankering |
| 09:37.47 | tarzeau | xingu: yes software usually gets better (there are exceptions) |
| 09:37.51 | psycodad | tarzeau: x is not used locally, generally all fonts are much larger (like icon texts etc) |
| 09:37.51 | xingu | tarzeau: but, a relatively common end-user hack to get "nice fonts in netscape" |
| 09:37.55 | tarzeau | xingu: i disagre |
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| 09:38.03 | tarzeau | xingu: there are cases where the software can not read out the information |
| 09:38.17 | xingu | tarzeau: there's nothing wrong with using the setting; but getting it *right* across the upgrade is key |
| 09:38.19 | tarzeau | xingu: if you have some ethernet connected video cable between screen and video adapter |
| 09:38.33 | tarzeau | xingu: there it fails, and if you don't set it it really gets up messed badly |
| 09:38.40 | tarzeau | xingu: i see :) |
| 09:38.44 | xingu | tarzeau: absolutely, autosense can/does fail; the point is that some folk are running -dpi 100 and their media just isn't |
| 09:38.55 | tarzeau | xingu: ahhhh they ask for a spanking |
| 09:39.03 | tarzeau | xingu: likewise with people without gamma corrected displays? |
| 09:39.13 | tarzeau | xingu: breaking pictures on their wrongly configured monitors |
| 09:39.17 | xingu | zigagly. but it's burnt into the intarweb on a billion googleable pages howtos and faqs... |
| 09:39.25 | piztek_ | what's the terminal command to extract a .tar.bz2 |
| 09:39.41 | tarzeau | piztek_: tar xjf |
| 09:39.57 | tarzeau | piztek_: if you want to be portable bunzip it first to stdout then untar it |
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| 09:40.06 | helo | what's this all about: |
| 09:40.07 | helo | 99% [Connecting to security.debian.org (128.31.0.36)] |
| 09:40.16 | tarzeau | helo: abort it, retry? |
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| 09:40.31 | liable_ | or just wait |
| 09:40.34 | helo | it worked with a retry, but it seems odd to have resolved to that |
| 09:40.46 | tarzeau | helo: why? |
| 09:41.00 | xingu | apt-get io error, abort retry cancel! :) |
| 09:41.00 | tarzeau | helo: host security.debian.org shows three ip addresses |
| 09:41.27 | piztek_ | so just tar xjf package |
| 09:41.31 | piztek_ | tar package didn't work |
| 09:41.35 | tarzeau | piztek_: tar.bz2 |
| 09:41.44 | tarzeau | piztek_: was what you asked for, the j is for bunzipping |
| 09:42.17 | tarzeau | the z for gzip. and which one is for lzma ? |
| 09:42.49 | liable_ | tar -lmao?? |
| 09:42.58 | tarzeau | liable_: tar -rofl |
| 09:43.40 | xingu | psycodad: can you paste your display server's config file, the command line args it's started with by your display manager, its log file, and the output from xset q somewhere useful? |
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| 09:44.26 | tarzeau | liable_: i'm not sure, do you run sid? |
| 09:44.35 | liable_ | tarzeau: some photos of north wa (i havent pimped my photos for a while ;) http://short.dyndns.org/main.php?g2_itemId=888&g2_page=5 |
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| 09:44.40 | psycodad | xingu: sure, here is a screenshot that should show the problem: http://www.schneebi.com/doku.php/playground/playground |
| 09:44.51 | xingu | psycodad: typically the variables are - dpi setting vs physical geometry, font path, and truetype/fontconfig brokenness |
| 09:45.07 | liable_ | tarzeau: yes, -rofl and -lmao are only in the latest tar package |
| 09:45.20 | tarzeau | psycodad: looks awful :) |
| 09:45.23 | helo | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpg W: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 09:45.39 | helo | after apt-get insall debian-archive-keyring |
| 09:45.47 | xingu | psycodad: the good news is that the xorg/freedesktop way really is better once you get it sorted; the bad news is it can be a painful migration (it took me 6-18mo to weed out the last of the bits mangling mine) |
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| 09:46.24 | wij32 | Hey guys. Im learning about securing my system. Currently looking at an attacker leaving a setuid shell in /tmp/. However, i cant replicate this, when i log in as r00t i copy bash shell to tmp, then chmod 4755, but when i run this as a user it says permission denied...any thoughts? |
| 09:46.31 | xingu | psycodad: nb the problem is geometrically harder if you've fiddled-to-nondefault defoma/fontconfig/fontpath/freetype/dpi settings |
| 09:46.41 | tarzeau | wij32: check harden-doc |
| 09:46.45 | xingu | psycodad: so before we start - have you fiddled any of the above? |
| 09:46.46 | liable_ | wij32: eh? |
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| 09:47.07 | tarzeau | wij32: did you have a webserver running, say with php? |
| 09:47.24 | Subdino | liable_: I found the reason !! |
| 09:47.26 | wij32 | no, nothings wrong with my computer, im just exploring possible attacks |
| 09:47.34 | liable_ | Subdino: do tell |
| 09:47.54 | wij32 | say a malicous user gets r00t then leaves a shell with setuid root. |
| 09:48.00 | Subdino | liable_: I changed /etc/ld.so.conf.d/x86_64-linux-gnu.conf to include /lib64 |
| 09:48.06 | Subdino | originaly it was /lib |
| 09:48.18 | xingu | psycodad: nb this looks like a classic case of -dpi forced to something lower than your physical layer, or, no 100dpi fonts installed |
| 09:48.20 | liable_ | Subdino: you shouldn't need to do that |
| 09:48.31 | Subdino | ...and doing so made the initrd generator find the lib in a path with wrong name |
| 09:48.31 | psycodad | xingu: i changed nothing from default. it was a sarge working as terminal server for ~10 ltsp clients, upgraded to etch 2 days ago which went beautiful despite some packages that had to be reinstalled, x wasn't even configured on that box |
| 09:48.39 | Subdino | yep, no idea why I did |
| 09:48.44 | Subdino | phew |
| 09:48.48 | liable_ | Subdino: file a bug please |
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| 09:49.02 | xingu | psycodad: ok cool, but you appreciate I gotta ask to find out where you are likely to be starting from |
| 09:49.03 | psycodad | xingu: ill do an aptitude search 100dpi.. |
| 09:49.11 | Subdino | yep, now I can tage the bug myself "user-is-stupid" and explain everything, so I will |
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| 09:49.19 | Subdino | ...After rebooting |
| 09:49.24 | Subdino | s/tage/tag/ |
| 09:49.28 | wij32 | liable: im trying to setuid to r00t |
| 09:49.38 | psycodad | i have around 8 results, which one should i use, xfonts-100dpi ? |
| 09:49.50 | wij32 | so when i run it as normal user it wil run as r00t ? |
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| 09:50.09 | xingu | psycodad: if it's not already |
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| 09:50.26 | psycodad | is not installed...that may well be the problem |
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| 09:50.39 | xingu | psycodad: nb still need your display server's config file too, command line args (ps -ef | grep whatever), logfile, and xset q |
| 09:50.50 | xRainbows | hello, does anybody have script in which i can convert .avi to .mpeg |
| 09:51.00 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I run a process which should use about 99% of cpu. But sometimes I notice that the process is using ~3-5% of cpu while %idle is near to 0. I found that the other % are being used by 'wa' (waiting?). Is there any way I can debug/find where the problem lies? |
| 09:51.23 | helo | "Unknown error executing gpg" when trying to apt-get upgrade after keyring install... some warnings about the time being wrong... ntpdate-debian just returned without doing anything, but ntpdate 0.pool.ntp.org fixed it, and apt-get --reinstall install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update worked with a accurate clock |
| 09:51.30 | xingu | psycodad: xorg is pretty good at running without pcf fonts at all if you let it (ie, defoma/fontconfig are allowed to find your -presumably well populated- ttf font collection) |
| 09:51.51 | xingu | psycodad: whether or not NX can follow suit is another adventure entirely. |
| 09:52.23 | psycodad | xingu: when saying display server, you refer to the workstation, right ? there is no x running on the server. |
| 09:52.42 | xingu | psycodad: I'll take your word for that; you said you're using NX? |
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| 09:52.48 | psycodad | xingu: i understand that point about nx, its just strange it appeared after the upgrade in all situations |
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| 09:53.12 | psycodad | xingu: nx and regular xserver clients from ltsp |
| 09:53.13 | Mitchbbaker | heya does anyone here know about the lastfm program? |
| 09:53.20 | xingu | psycodad: NX sits as a server-side shim; it's a display server on the terminal server and a remote frame buffer/ virtualised gdi to the client |
| 09:53.29 | xingu | psycodad: so NX itself is a display server. |
| 09:53.39 | psycodad | ok, i was technically wrong, but you know what i meant ;-) |
| 09:53.41 | xingu | psycodad: and will almost certainly be derived from either xorg or xfree86 |
| 09:53.58 | xingu | psycodad: so yes, its config/logfiles come into play here too. |
| 09:54.38 | xingu | psycodad: I'm not sure if NX passes through dpi-sensing api calls through to the client or if it intercepts them; that's deep level fu and I've never played with NX |
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| 09:54.54 | psycodad | xingu: i've installed 100dpi font package from above, ill test if it changes sth |
| 09:54.56 | xingu | psycodad: ... so it pays to ask/ check here |
| 09:54.57 | liable | helo: your clock caused that error? |
| 09:55.24 | psycodad | xingu: else i can boot a ltsp client and try from there |
| 09:55.26 | Mitchbbaker | ill take the lack of response as a no... |
| 09:55.27 | xingu | psycodad: *nod*; if not, come back with the logs/output from *both* the x11 NX client system as well as the NX server system |
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| 09:56.10 | psycodad | xingu: nx is not my main point thats only for remote maint, its important that the ltsp clients get a nice screen |
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| 09:56.30 | xingu | psycodad: are ltsp clients pure x11? |
| 09:56.43 | psycodad | xingu: pure ? |
| 09:57.02 | xingu | psycodad: again I've not played with that end of things; every time I had a problem that NX looked like a good answer to, it got fixed differently |
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| 09:57.37 | xingu | psycodad: classic setup where x11 display server runs on thin client hardware running relatively unmolested x11 client apps on the higher-horsepower server with DISPLAY redirected |
| 09:58.00 | psycodad | xingu: the ltsp client connect via x11 not nx, nx is nice from behind a modem and thats what i use it for, locally we have plain x11 sessions |
| 09:58.07 | psycodad | exact |
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| 09:58.40 | xingu | psycodad: ok; in this instance all that matters is the ltsp client system; its x11 display server command line args, logfile, config file, and xset q |
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| 09:59.22 | xingu | psycodad: there's another variable here too, I'd bet abrotman's next beer on ltsp clients using a remote font server |
| 09:59.49 | psycodad | xingu: ok, ill get that info and post it to pastebin.. |
| 09:59.50 | xingu | psycodad: which used to work well but post-freedesktop/xorg isn't such a good thing |
| 09:59.56 | piztek_ | what should i do if i get command line output errors from fileroller |
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| 10:00.37 | xingu | psycodad: asking xfs/xfstt to scale a truetype font into a pcf glyph verses having ltsp-client-local defoma/near-side ttf glyphs is a distinctly worse proposition |
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| 10:01.09 | xingu | psycodad: but lets just see if 100dpi fonts "fixes" the holy-huge-icons-batman problem |
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| 10:01.25 | psycodad | xingu: i haven't updated ltsp yet, its still the 4.x, so you think i should first of all update ltsp ? |
| 10:01.29 | psycodad | :-) heh |
| 10:01.57 | xingu | psycodad: no; updating ltsp is the most intrusive part, so lets isolate the problem first. |
| 10:02.22 | Subdino | liable: mmh, for which package should I bug report ? linux kernel for not searching in lib64 aswell ? initrd generator for putting libs in /lib64 ? |
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| 10:03.12 | xingu | psycodad: just a quick fyi, on my system it's only the odd gtk1 app that still uses bitmap fonts |
| 10:03.18 | liable | Subdino: i would start with the initrd tools. if its the wrong one, they will bounce it to the right one |
| 10:03.24 | xingu | psycodad: *everything* else is using ttf scaled fonts |
| 10:04.09 | xingu | psycodad: fortunately my display server guesses physical geometry correctly (edid support isn't lying and neither is the graphics driver) so it all looks great. |
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| 10:06.11 | xingu | Subdino: I missed the head of your complaint; what's in /lib64 exactly that the kernel needs to know about? |
| 10:07.08 | xingu | ... and initramfs-tools putting libs where the binary's rpath says they're supposed to be is a feature, not a bug |
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| 10:08.32 | Subdino | xingu: that's why I'm not sure where to file the report... |
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| 10:08.45 | psycodad | scp |
| 10:08.49 | psycodad | ups |
| 10:09.16 | xingu | Subdino: what is ending up in /lib64? |
| 10:09.18 | Subdino | xingu: my problem was that all my intrd were broken during an update, and I just found out that it was because I basicaly s:lib/:lib64/: my ld.so.conf.d/* |
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| 10:09.38 | Subdino | because of this change, all libraries ended up in /lib64 in the initrd |
| 10:10.03 | Subdino | ...which made the shell unloadable, both with dash (yaird) and busybox (mkinitramfs) |
| 10:10.13 | Subdino | and of course causing kpanic |
| 10:10.24 | xingu | Subdino: I'm not surprised; what was the goal of the change? is your system arch=i386 or arch=amd64? |
| 10:10.28 | psycodad | xingu: client x config: http://pastebin.ca/628480 |
| 10:10.34 | Subdino | amd64 |
| 10:10.46 | Subdino | and I don't remember why I changed it |
| 10:11.02 | xingu | Subdino: no need to s/lib/lib64/ in ld.so.conf.d/ probably, in that case what you have is a "just don't do that" |
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| 10:11.54 | xingu | Subdino: ld.so is perfectly capable of finding /lib64/ as needed without forcing its search path |
| 10:12.35 | xingu | Subdino: by forcing the search path, you'd likewise need to make sure that ld.so.conf itself on the initrd matched; and that's outside the scope of initramfstools (and either way not a kernel problem) |
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| 10:13.13 | xingu | Subdino: your bug report is probably "initramfs-tools does not duplicate ld.so.conf/ ld.so.conf.d from source to initrd" |
| 10:13.21 | xingu | Subdino: but it's wishlist I'd have to say. |
| 10:14.15 | xingu | Subdino: just as an fyi, check out what ldd /lib/libc.so.6 says after rolling back your ld.so.conf.d change. |
| 10:15.16 | piztek_ | what should i do if file roller gives me an error |
| 10:16.29 | azeem | piztek_: depends on the error |
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| 10:16.56 | xingu | psycodad: ok that looks fine; it might be worth your while to add: FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType" |
| 10:17.16 | xingu | psycodad: ... as the first item in the list; but not essential and not the root of your problem |
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| 10:18.08 | xingu | psycodad: still need the ps -efl | grep X; xset q; cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 10:21.35 | piztek_ | ah it's the install, something is wrong |
| 10:21.53 | psycodad | xingu: ps -wwwwefl cuts off on my local terminal and i have no remote access.. i need to find a way to get those files and come back then. Thanks so far for the help offered! |
| 10:22.04 | AimHere | Hello #debian. I'm using sid, just did a big apt-get upgrade, but that didn't change my, cough, custom kernel and related modules. Now for some reason udev or something is treating ndiswrapper as some device in /dev instead of a net device and I can't get it to assign the wlan0 interface name |
| 10:22.14 | xingu | psycodad: nb: driver "vmware" might be lying about the dpi setting. |
| 10:22.25 | tarzeau | AimHere: you know, apt-get updates don't upgrade kernels |
| 10:22.35 | Subdino | xingu: I agree that this change is just a no-op, and I don't remember why I did that |
| 10:22.36 | xingu | psycodad: should be possible to check from the Xorg.log.0 |
| 10:22.37 | AimHere | This is a good thing, tarzeau |
| 10:22.39 | tarzeau | AimHere: you have to say you want to install a kernel from a repository, and which (one that's available) |
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| 10:22.46 | tarzeau | AimHere: yes, that's why it is like that |
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| 10:23.01 | Subdino | well, more a no-do that a no-op, because it doesn nothing good and does bad things I could not forsee |
| 10:23.03 | psycodad | xingu: vmware is the only way i can launch an ltsp client from here but the problem is the same on real stations |
| 10:23.12 | xingu | psycodad: ok fair enough |
| 10:23.18 | AimHere | My problem is how do I get a network name for a previously working network card, given that the kernel and modules haven't changed |
| 10:23.20 | psycodad | bbl, thx again so far!! |
| 10:23.30 | zabka | where could I obtain, if the process on my machine is 64 or 32 bit? |
| 10:23.48 | tarzeau | zabka: arch |
| 10:23.54 | xingu | psycodad: np, I know this is a swamp to wade through |
| 10:24.12 | zabka | # arch |
| 10:24.12 | zabka | i686 |
| 10:24.20 | zabka | tarzeau: it is only uname -m.. |
| 10:24.20 | tarzeau | zabka: 32 |
| 10:24.26 | zabka | tarzeau: and why? |
| 10:24.28 | tarzeau | zabka: ah what your processor is? |
| 10:24.37 | tarzeau | zabka: because you only installed that? |
| 10:24.38 | zabka | tarzeau: Dual-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 1214 |
| 10:24.43 | liable | i think i just ate the best sandwich ever |
| 10:24.51 | tarzeau | zabka: haha :) yeah get that AMD64 thing installed on that |
| 10:24.59 | tarzeau | liable: :) |
| 10:25.06 | xingu | zabka: grep pni /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 10:25.23 | tarzeau | liable: are your photos public domain or something? |
| 10:25.38 | piztek_ | has anyone ever installed gyach |
| 10:25.39 | tarzeau | liable: i mean could i use some for background image in livecd.gnustep.org or as skyboxes for www.sauerbraten.org ? |
| 10:25.48 | zabka | xingu: i have 2 lines matched. |
| 10:26.03 | liable | tarzeau: sure |
| 10:26.18 | tarzeau | liable: so are mine, feel free to use :) |
| 10:26.25 | tarzeau | liable: you really got some nice ones |
| 10:26.39 | xingu | zabka: in that case congratulations, you support both. |
| 10:26.41 | tarzeau | liable: i think i'll take my cam today with me, and also on the campus... |
| 10:26.56 | tarzeau | liable: and i should make some nifty photos of the trains in switzerland for the tech freaks |
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| 10:27.41 | zabka | xingu: good, thanks ;) |
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| 10:28.35 | GD77 | hello |
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| 10:29.07 | GD77 | m at debian.org download section want to choose the torrent choice but noticed ia64 <- what is it? |
| 10:29.17 | liable | tarzeau: your nect project should be "shoe cam" ;) |
| 10:29.25 | GD77 | i know AMD 64 for 64 bit proc amd but what is ia64 |
| 10:29.27 | liable | next |
| 10:29.33 | tarzeau | liable: you haven't seen my friends project, have you? |
| 10:29.43 | liable | i dont think so |
| 10:30.53 | liable | tarzeau: a friend of mine goes to concerts and stuff, and tries to only take photos of funny looking people, he has a hilarious collection, but its not online |
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| 10:31.19 | tarzeau | liable: hahalike, moshgirl.istheshit.net ? |
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| 10:32.04 | xingu | zabka: actually grep lm /proc/cpuinfo is the correct test |
| 10:32.09 | xingu | zabka: brain fart |
| 10:32.19 | tarzeau | liable: i mean check the gallery http://images.twibright.com/tns/ | the latest stuff is this: http://ronja.twibright.com/exciter/ |
| 10:32.41 | tarzeau | liable: and i'm still looking for a bunch of linear motors :) |
| 10:32.43 | Skyrail | I've just installed Firefox on Debian using apt-get but it's not showed up in the Applications > Internet menu and another thing what's the Debian menu in the Applications drop down menu? |
| 10:33.09 | tarzeau | Skyrail: it's called iceweasel |
| 10:34.05 | Skyrail | Oh, well that explains what Iceweasel is, why is it called iceweasel out of interest? |
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| 10:34.20 | tarzeau | Skyrail: mozilla has a trademark on their names |
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| 10:34.28 | liable | tarzeau: hah |
| 10:34.29 | tarzeau | Skyrail: and they're bitchy about little changes in their product |
| 10:34.30 | GD77 | :/ |
| 10:34.34 | teclo- | How again can I install java on Debian 4.0 ? |
| 10:34.44 | liable | tarzeau: the first is a mine? the second is funny :) |
| 10:34.44 | tarzeau | teclo-: sun or gnu java? |
| 10:35.06 | teclo- | there's gnu java ? |
| 10:35.07 | tarzeau | liable: the first is like all photos on that url :) HUGE page |
| 10:35.11 | tarzeau | teclo-: since years! |
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| 10:35.28 | Skyrail | tarzeau: so because there's been a slight change to the program they've had to rename it, ah well, at least that's cleared up, thanks :) |
| 10:36.11 | tarzeau | Skyrail: well it's worsened. but glad you're unconfused again |
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| 10:36.34 | Skyrail | tarzeau: what's worsened? The program? |
| 10:36.35 | tarzeau | Skyrail: mozilla is one bad example of software |
| 10:36.45 | teclo- | I think I need Sun Java |
| 10:36.55 | tarzeau | Skyrail: the name change need because of the trademark, there's more behind it |
| 10:37.01 | tarzeau | Skyrail: there's a fork with the same name |
| 10:37.10 | tarzeau | teclo-: i don't think anyone NEEDS sun java |
| 10:37.16 | tarzeau | teclo-: but you think you want it |
| 10:37.29 | tarzeau | teclo-: check the java-package in debian and java.sun.com (have fun picking the right) |
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| 10:37.48 | azeem | java-package is obsolete |
| 10:37.54 | Skyrail | tarzeau: lol ok, shame really that little things like that happen :/ what do you know about the Debian menu aswell? The extra one in the apps menu |
| 10:38.00 | tarzeau | azeem: oh, what's the right way to do it these days? |
| 10:38.03 | dimir | Moin! |
| 10:38.06 | pocukrani | how i can completely remove vmware which is not installed with .deb packages ? |
| 10:38.14 | azeem | tarzeau: install the sun java package |
| 10:38.16 | tarzeau | Skyrail: the debian menu is great |
| 10:38.50 | tarzeau | azeem: what if i want it to be removed? |
| 10:38.59 | azeem | what is "it"? |
| 10:39.05 | tarzeau | azeem: the sun java package |
| 10:39.06 | azeem | and removed from where? |
| 10:39.09 | Skyrail | tarzeau: hmm, I guess it does split everything up into detailed categories =) |
| 10:39.15 | tarzeau | azeem: from my system |
| 10:39.28 | azeem | tarzeau: apt-get remove? |
| 10:39.29 | tarzeau | pocukrani: wait you installed it without a debian package? |
| 10:39.36 | tarzeau | azeem: ah they have debian packages? i didn't get that |
| 10:39.49 | azeem | eh, *we* have debian package of sun java |
| 10:39.54 | azeem | for over a year now |
| 10:39.55 | tarzeau | azeem: in etch? |
| 10:40.06 | azeem | http://packages.debian.org/sun-java6-jdk |
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| 10:40.09 | azeem | no |
| 10:40.38 | tarzeau | heh non-free, yeah but nice |
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| 10:40.51 | MangosDebian | anyone notice something altering /dev/null constantly to mode 600? |
| 10:41.00 | azeem | for etch, packages are at backports.org I think |
| 10:41.08 | tarzeau | azeem: great thanks |
| 10:41.10 | MangosDebian | in a fresh install |
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| 10:41.38 | liable | etch has java |
| 10:41.38 | teclo- | I've got sun-java5-bin |
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| 10:41.46 | teclo- | uhhh how did I get installed ? |
| 10:41.46 | liable | ah, 5 |
| 10:41.57 | azeem | liable: ah, right, no 6 though |
| 10:42.23 | liable | i didnt even know there was a 6 |
| 10:42.36 | teclo- | ah |
| 10:42.40 | teclo- | with atpitude right ? |
| 10:42.42 | teclo- | ok :) |
| 10:42.50 | teclo- | but now, how do I get the firefox plugin ? |
| 10:43.14 | azeem | there's sun-java5-plugin |
| 10:43.43 | teclo- | azeem: indee thanks a lot |
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| 10:48.40 | pocukrani | tarzeau, yes |
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| 10:49.58 | pocukrani | i downloadet it of theind webside |
| 10:51.23 | xingu | pocukrani: then you probably better ring their support team, you don't need a bunch of amatures making the problem worse |
| 10:51.29 | marcin_ | yo :> I'm using debian t my i386 box but I want to make at this machine repository for binaries md64 how can I mirror all of them with apt-move? Is it possible? |
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| 10:56.05 | xingu | aha! I knew it |
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| 10:56.23 | pbts | hi. is there an easy way to host a bunch of .deb files locally on my machine, so when I use aptitude etc it picks them up rather than downloads them? |
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| 10:56.29 | xingu | from 20070720's spaceweather: Earth is entering a solar wind stream that could spark high latitude geomagnetic storms tonight. Sky watchers, be alert for auroras. |
| 10:56.45 | xingu | every frickin time, the ultra10's crap themselves. |
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| 10:57.19 | cydork | pbts: check /msg dpkg own repo |
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| 10:58.23 | liable | quietly even |
| 10:58.50 | cydork | heh |
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| 10:59.09 | xingu | liable: correlation is too scary; every time there's a burst of solar activity, the ultra10's in that region will shit themselves |
| 10:59.24 | xingu | liable: if it's particularly bad, so to the u60/e220/e420's. |
| 10:59.34 | liable | xingu: of course, they are made by sun after all |
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| 11:00.41 | pbts | thanks cydork! |
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| 11:01.52 | pbts | cool. mad max, beyond thunderdome just came on tv. my day is complete. |
| 11:02.30 | liable | thats the worst of the series |
| 11:02.44 | xingu | liable: hah; well you explain the correlation between systems that run for years on end, their untimely failure with memory errors, and solar activity in the region :) |
| 11:03.24 | xingu | liable: remember, that vintage of system is hypersensitive to single bit flips in primary/secondary cpu cache |
| 11:03.36 | MangosDebian | xingu: heya. manage to lock yourself out of your drive yet? ;þ |
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| 11:03.57 | xingu | MangosDebian: nope, that's parked back on the todo list for now; might be years. :) |
| 11:04.11 | kos | is there any one who could give me free opensuse cds... |
| 11:04.18 | MangosDebian | xingu: ya, I would wait until the drives on its last legs before I try it :) |
| 11:04.26 | kos | is there any one who could give me free opensuse cds... |
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| 11:05.02 | kos | is there any one who could give me free opensuse cds... |
| 11:05.05 | liable | kos: yes, ask the internet, he will let you download them from him.. |
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| 11:05.12 | MangosDebian | !ops kos |
| 11:05.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: mangosdebian complains about: kos |
| 11:05.32 | MangosDebian | well, tad excessive, sorry ;) |
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| 11:05.46 | kos | is there any one who could give me free opensuse cds... |
| 11:05.56 | tomaw | kos: this isn't the place to ask that. |
| 11:06.05 | MangosDebian | tomaw: I think he knows that |
| 11:06.15 | kos | could u give me an irc channel where i could ask for |
| 11:06.22 | MangosDebian | nope |
| 11:06.29 | liable | #suse would be a good start... |
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| 11:06.37 | MangosDebian | liable: you fool lol |
| 11:06.38 | kos | could any one give me |
| 11:06.40 | kos | ? |
| 11:06.43 | kos | suse cds |
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| 11:07.41 | litage_ | is there a difference between an initrd and initramfs? if so, what is it? |
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| 11:07.59 | kos | is there any one who could give me free opensuse cds... |
| 11:08.12 | liable | kos: please to be fucking off |
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| 11:08.36 | liable | oops |
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| 11:08.51 | MangosDebian | tomaw: thanks |
| 11:09.04 | MangosDebian | didn't even know you were one |
| 11:09.34 | ihate88 | hey there ;> was not there another way to compile sources under debian than ./configure make make install? i remember a command with slashes or so, so that i can end up with an .deb and use dpkg to manage the installation? |
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| 11:10.04 | ihate88 | i tried googling "compile debian dpkg" and any variations, only ending up to explanations on how to compile a new kernel |
| 11:10.37 | liable | !custom deb |
| 11:11.01 | x_link | Why has VLC been removed from Testing? |
| 11:11.02 | liable | meh, my dpkg foo is weak tonight |
| 11:11.08 | x_link | I really don't understand that. |
| 11:11.13 | MangosDebian | !ops =~ s/:/, tomaw:/ |
| 11:11.13 | dpkg | OK, MangosDebian |
| 11:11.14 | liable | !why is vlc not in testing? |
| 11:11.14 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 11:11.30 | x_link | liable: Thanks!! |
| 11:11.53 | liable | MangosDebian: he isnt a debian op. hes a staffer (i asked this just the other day myself) ;) |
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| 11:12.08 | litage_ | ihate88: these are the instructions i wrote for myself to compile a package from source: http://rafb.net/p/i7mmBA10.html |
| 11:12.15 | x_link | liable: I didn't understand much of that. |
| 11:12.17 | tarzeau | liable: is this like a debian swirl? http://short.dyndns.org/main.php?g2_itemId=1313 |
| 11:12.18 | x_link | But okej.. |
| 11:12.24 | MangosDebian | liable: ops,oper same diff. meant to alert people in a position to kick/ban |
| 11:12.29 | ihate88 | thanks, ill have a look |
| 11:13.05 | liable | tarzeau: its mosquito coil ash |
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| 11:13.21 | tarzeau | liable: cookies? |
| 11:13.24 | liable | tarzeau: it looked a bit unusual so i snapped a shot :) |
| 11:13.36 | liable | tarzeau: cookies? |
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| 11:13.43 | tarzeau | liable: it looks like cookies |
| 11:13.54 | liable | tarzeau: sec |
| 11:14.06 | liable | MangosDebian: he gets the ops call without it anyway |
| 11:14.47 | MangosDebian | liable: so ive heard. no biggie. if anything that list needs to be cleaned up. TML i havent seen in ages for one |
| 11:14.49 | liable | tarzeau: http://www.mortein.com.au/product_aero_coils_mosq.html |
| 11:14.50 | ihate88 | hmm i did not mean how to compile sources from debian repositories. i downloaded the newest version of pidgin, don't wanna mess up my etch system and so wanna compile it. im sure ./configure make make install would work - but i remember something like "BUILD // xyz" or so, which automated the process under debian and made me end up with a .deb file instead of just installing the package. will man dpkg-buildpackage help? |
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| 11:16.03 | tarzeau | liable: cookies for the mosquitos, i got it :) |
| 11:16.13 | liable | heh |
| 11:17.18 | MangosDebian | is it just me or does selinux documentation really suck :( |
| 11:17.35 | MangosDebian | seems almost non existant for debian |
| 11:17.39 | tarzeau | !UTSL |
| 11:17.39 | dpkg | somebody said utsl was Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. |
| 11:17.46 | liable | yes it does suck |
| 11:18.27 | MangosDebian | ive been reading out of date RHEL4 selinux docs. and make policy doesnt even seem to have a makefile to work on |
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| 11:19.08 | MangosDebian | i still think grsecurity was simpler. but damn if all those premade selinux modules arent handy |
| 11:19.47 | ihate88 | ah i found checkinstall |
| 11:20.04 | xingu | if only folk put half the effort into making change automated, reproducable, and fully revertable that they put into "security" |
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| 11:20.38 | xingu | then 0dayz wouldn't matter - you could reliably deploy the cure if not infected or rebuild to spec if not |
| 11:21.00 | noovatoo | hi,does anyone know where to download debian slink or hamm?thanks a lot |
| 11:21.19 | MangosDebian | xingu: you mean packages in general? |
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| 11:21.30 | MangosDebian | noovatoo: archives.d.o? |
| 11:21.44 | MangosDebian | (least i think thats what the dns is) |
| 11:21.50 | xingu | MangosDebian: I mean the attitude toward records keeping and deployment |
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| 11:22.09 | noovatoo | MangosDebian i mean..the distro hamm or slink..i need to download them |
| 11:22.13 | litage_ | how can one determine if they're using an initrd or initramfs in conjunction with their kernel? |
| 11:22.18 | xingu | MangosDebian: a solid provisioning record that can be used as a driver for an automated deployment framework is worth a million times more than all the systems hardening in the world. |
| 11:22.20 | MangosDebian | xingu: in what context though? packages or financial? :) |
| 11:22.22 | noovatoo | or something older than that |
| 11:22.36 | MangosDebian | noovatoo: ya, i think archives.debian.org might have them |
| 11:22.49 | noovatoo | uhm i'll try,thanks:) |
| 11:22.51 | MangosDebian | noovatoo: no idea for sure since ive never used it myself. take a gander |
| 11:23.20 | MangosDebian | xingu: you mean like preceed for install or fai? |
| 11:23.22 | xingu | MangosDebian: people get their knickers in a bunch over "security", I find, when they're paralysed at the prospect of change. |
| 11:23.34 | liable | stupid jjj's server always farts on me |
| 11:23.35 | skejoe | Ehh how do I write a subnet declaration for eth0 in dhcpd.conf? |
| 11:23.48 | Oins | Hi. What could be the problem with my xorg.conf http://phpfi.com/251223 ? If I start the xserver i can't move my mouse. This is my output http://phpfi.com/251222 |
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| 11:24.03 | xingu | MangosDebian: exactly so; make every change an automated change, driven from a provisioning record. |
| 11:24.13 | xingu | MangosDebian: spend your time solving *those* problems; far bigger payoff. |
| 11:24.20 | litage_ | Oins: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors |
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| 11:24.45 | MangosDebian | litage_: initrd and initram are the same thing i believe, other than perhaps preffered fs used perhaps (minix for example). makeinitramfs has a better hook system to reapply all the new stuff you added, better than what initrd may have had if any |
| 11:24.49 | Oins | litage_, I did, but i can't find the failure... :( |
| 11:25.05 | Oins | this is my xorg log http://phpfi.com/251222 |
| 11:25.08 | MangosDebian | xingu: you mean force security updates? |
| 11:25.17 | litage_ | Oins: did you look for lines beginning with (EE) ? |
| 11:25.26 | Oins | litage_, yes, no EE lines |
| 11:25.28 | xingu | MangosDebian: s/security updates/fixes for recent bugs/ |
| 11:25.37 | xingu | MangosDebian: lets call a spade a spade eh? :) |
| 11:25.57 | MangosDebian | skejoe: the man page should explain the declaration for you provided you already know the subnet syntax you want |
| 11:26.15 | Oins | litage_, I think the problem is at the end of the log. <default pointer> No device specified |
| 11:26.19 | xingu | MangosDebian: sure, there's work involved in moving to nirvana; point being, that it's a better reward for time spent than fiddling about with systems hardening |
| 11:26.25 | noovatoo | MangosDebian.-.how is the web address?with www or how?noone is accepted:S |
| 11:26.26 | Oins | but synaptics is specified.. isn't it? |
| 11:26.36 | MangosDebian | xingu: oh, you mean stuff thats broken, but not security per se that wont be updated until 4.0r1? |
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| 11:26.58 | MangosDebian | noovatoo: two seconds |
| 11:27.01 | noovatoo | ok |
| 11:27.19 | MangosDebian | noovatoo: archive.debian.org sorry, no s |
| 11:27.33 | MangosDebian | noovatoo: seems to have hamm,bo, rex etc |
| 11:27.33 | xingu | MangosDebian: security compromises are only one of many impact tags a bug might have |
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| 11:28.16 | noovatoo | thnx |
| 11:28.20 | MangosDebian | xingu: isnt there a repo that you can get all the future updates for .r1 though? |
| 11:28.22 | MangosDebian | noovatoo: np |
| 11:28.26 | xingu | MangosDebian: folk who overinvest time in frameworks like selinux/ grsecurity tend to amplify the problem; the paralysis becomes more complete, it becomes even harder still to deploy a fix for a fault. |
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| 11:29.03 | MangosDebian | xingu: oh, you mean that we shouldnt need selinux/grsec if packages were just perfect from the start? |
| 11:29.07 | MangosDebian | afk sec |
| 11:29.29 | Sofval | Hello my debian 4.0 cannot detect static isp.i have no internet in debian..my isp gave me IP,login/pass,dns.its a dsl actually. |
| 11:29.38 | xingu | MangosDebian: no, I mean that if you could push a fix for a bug to all impacted systems without the fear of it causing a bigger problem than the intended cure, then you wouldn't need selinux/grsec. |
| 11:30.16 | xingu | MangosDebian: it's the fear of unquantified change impact that leads you down the path of granular resource control |
| 11:30.30 | Sofval | but when i use dynamic wireless internet, my debianautomatically detect the isp into dhcp. |
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| 11:32.33 | liable | Sofval: huh? |
| 11:32.52 | xingu | and people wonder why I want to see a lot more ip6 :) |
| 11:32.58 | xingu | !be ipv4 barbie |
| 11:32.58 | dpkg | ipv4 is hard! |
| 11:33.11 | Sofval | liable:i cant connect to my static isp |
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| 11:34.11 | MangosDebian | Sofval: dhcp should only be used to get the initial ip and then need pppoeconf to setup your account info to get your inet ip if that helps |
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| 11:35.07 | MangosDebian | xingu: i still think you need selinux/grsec. being able to push out a fix is one thing, preventing it in the first place is another (well, a better chance at least) |
| 11:35.10 | blinx | I have the following udev rule: SUBSYSTEM=="block",ATTRS{vendor_name_kv}=="Seagate ", NAME="musicdisk%n", OWNER="1000", GROUP="1000", MODE="660" |
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| 11:35.37 | blinx | udevtest /block/sdc -> /dev/musicdisk exists |
| 11:35.49 | blinx | but sdc1 exists and no musicdisk1 |
| 11:35.52 | MangosDebian | xingu: ipv6 will be nice once the isp's start supporting it and we make the "flip" |
| 11:35.55 | blinx | what I have to change that? |
| 11:35.57 | Sofval | MangosDebian:how to setup static isp account?(first time to use debian linux) im using windows for years. |
| 11:36.12 | xingu | MangosDebian: but that's the thing, granular control frameworks only protect you against known unknowns; the known knowns are fixed upstream, and the unknown unknowns are going to kick your ass anyway. |
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| 11:36.42 | xingu | MangosDebian: and a better fix for known unknowns is a functioning deployment framework |
| 11:36.50 | xingu | MangosDebian: and good records keeping :) |
| 11:37.00 | MangosDebian | Sofval: well, you need to get your 10.x.x.x or whatever ip via dhcp first from the dsl modem. then you use pppoeconf to plug in your account name, password etc. chances are it will just always give you the same ip when you start up ppp link |
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| 11:38.34 | MangosDebian | xingu: thats what grsec/sel do though, protect you from unknowns. its like a lib, rather than every package making their own in house sel/grsec and waste space/resources, its a shared project/framework that everyone can use to help reduce reinventing wheels |
| 11:38.55 | xingu | blinx: I'm no deep udev-fu magician, but I do know that sdc is a block device while sdc1 is a partition... |
| 11:39.11 | xingu | blinx: musicdisc1 with that rule would be the next block device, not the first partition... |
| 11:39.39 | MangosDebian | blinx: ever considered just mounting based on fs label or UUID? |
| 11:39.50 | xingu | MangosDebian: but the more shared it becomes, the more it restricts you to known unknowns; the things that you don't know that the framework can't protect against, will kick your ass. |
| 11:40.01 | MangosDebian | blinx: or is the udev for a usb or removable drive? |
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| 11:40.27 | xingu | MangosDebian: anyway, waste enough years bottom feeding in systems and network security, and you'll either burn out or come to pretty much the same conclusion. :) |
| 11:40.32 | trombo | Hi, a question for qemu: host tap0 is set to 192.168.200.1, and guest eth0 is 192.168.200.23, what is missing that host can ping guest eth0, pls? tia |
| 11:41.07 | Sofval | MangosDebian:first time to use linux.im using debian netinstall cd.i tried to setup like this. desktop>administration>networking>networking setting>connections>eth0>connection settings> then i type the ip ,subnet,gateway,the configuration is static, then click ok |
| 11:41.17 | MangosDebian | xingu: thats when you update the security with new rules and abilities to block them as they are discovered. still easier to update one framework then hundreds |
| 11:42.03 | xingu | MangosDebian: ever been through that kind of a storm in practice? :) |
| 11:42.47 | xingu | MangosDebian: here's a little thought experiment; if granular frameworks were the be all and end all of defense against the (fear of) the unknown, why do we now have two working implementations? |
| 11:42.55 | MangosDebian | Sofval: you dont want to setup the eth to static i dont think (although who knows, a dsl modem is under their control so and be programmed anyway they want). Leave eth0 as dhcp, tell me if you get an ip and what it is |
| 11:43.24 | MangosDebian | xingu: two as in grsec and selinux? |
| 11:43.37 | xingu | MangosDebian: yes; how many reimplementations of this wheel do we need before we're done? |
| 11:43.53 | xingu | MangosDebian: is two enough? maybe we need three |
| 11:43.55 | MangosDebian | xingu: same reason we have multiple os's. they do similar stuff, just made by diff people |
| 11:45.05 | MangosDebian | xingu: for example, grsec has things like process and port randomizations and process list hiding, selinux doesnt. sel has finer grained control via fs xattr's, grsec doesnt... |
| 11:45.09 | xingu | MangosDebian: the problem isn't small picture, host local granular control; it's the fear of deploying a fix to a detected problem before the problem manifests across compartments |
| 11:45.23 | MangosDebian | xingu: are you stoned? |
| 11:45.27 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 11:45.30 | xingu | no. :) |
| 11:45.50 | MangosDebian | getting all ghandi on me |
| 11:45.55 | litage_ | when during the boot process are swap partitions mounted? |
| 11:46.05 | xingu | MangosDebian: worse still, if an unknown unknown does kick your ass, without a provisioning record to check against, you don't even know. |
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| 11:46.30 | liable | litage_: mountall iirc |
| 11:46.30 | Sofval | MangosDebian:im connected to router then my pc |
| 11:46.36 | Sofval | router - debian pc |
| 11:46.46 | xingu | MangosDebian: and if you have a provisioning record that you are actively checking against, then you can unwind the problem. |
| 11:46.46 | MangosDebian | xingu: well, if you can find a way to audit something with 100% accuracy and detectability, let us know, we be rich! |
| 11:46.54 | litage_ | liable: would that change if the swap partition is LVM'd? |
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| 11:47.16 | MangosDebian | Sofval: ok, setup your route to use ppp then. what ip's it get when you plug in your password/login etc? |
| 11:47.29 | blinx | MangosDebian: then UUID |
| 11:47.32 | _good_day | hello friends, how can i connect four different networks with one another.. I know i can do it with router.but I cannot able to find such router, mostly available is dsl router any suggestions please or channel. |
| 11:47.33 | xingu | MangosDebian: isn't that a better way to spend time though than buggerising about reimplementing all of the OS's resource sharing api's, just so that you have a second opinion? |
| 11:47.35 | blinx | MangosDebian: how can I get the UUID? |
| 11:47.44 | blinx | and I want really "Auto mounting". |
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| 11:47.55 | liable | litage_: possibly, i donknow though |
| 11:48.01 | xingu | MangosDebian: get the OS as right as you can, get the application as right as you can, and spend time on solving provisioning problems |
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| 11:48.06 | MangosDebian | blinx: depends if you use encryption or not as I believe there is a slightly diff uuid if you do |
| 11:48.32 | liable | litage_: ls /etc/rcS.d |
| 11:48.39 | xingu | MangosDebian: as an added bonus, your systems will run faster as a result, and your organiseation will be able to respond way more dynamically to change in the market than otherwise. |
| 11:48.52 | MangosDebian | blinx: dumpe2fs /dev/XXX | head |
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| 11:49.56 | MangosDebian | xingu: getting everything right as you can at the same time is impossible with current OSS coding methods |
| 11:50.21 | blinx | MangosDebian: and how can I let auto mount my firewire hdd with this uuid? |
| 11:50.29 | Sofval | MangosDebian:how to setup "route to use ppp" ? |
| 11:50.37 | Sofval | im loging in x windows |
| 11:50.41 | blinx | ivman? |
| 11:50.50 | Sofval | MangosDebian:im loging in x windows |
| 11:51.04 | MangosDebian | Sofval: first, what if the router using? is it a store bought router? or a debian box? |
| 11:51.25 | MangosDebian | Sofval: as for route, your default gw should set auto when you bring up the link |
| 11:51.27 | zrin | _good_day: use VLANs |
| 11:51.33 | Sofval | it is a bought router where included in the package of my isp |
| 11:51.53 | MangosDebian | Sofval: ok, and can you login it and get a web interface? |
| 11:52.03 | zrin | _good_day: and use or build a router which supports VLANs |
| 11:52.26 | Sofval | MangosDebian:how to login?like this \\192.168.1.1? |
| 11:52.50 | MangosDebian | Sofval: \\ more of a smaba UNC naming. you probably want something like http://192.168.1.1/ |
| 11:52.52 | _good_day | zrin: ohh okey. so i have to buy router that supports VLANs. |
| 11:53.03 | xingu | _good_day: how large are these four networks? anticipated packet rates? |
| 11:53.07 | zrin | _good_day: better: build one using debian etch |
| 11:53.14 | MangosDebian | Sofval: setup your box to use dhcp and see what your default gw or dhcp server is. connect to that ip |
| 11:53.32 | MangosDebian | Sofval: worst case, read the manual that came with your router |
| 11:53.51 | _good_day | xingu : just 2-3 PC host in each network. |
| 11:54.01 | xingu | oh bloody... |
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| 11:54.10 | xingu | _good_day: just renumber the things so they're in the same network. |
| 11:54.29 | zrin | xingu: I assumed he wouldn't ask for "real" networks ;) |
| 11:54.33 | MangosDebian | ya, no need to subnet 2 or 3 pc's :) |
| 11:55.28 | _good_day | xingu : yes.. actually we are developing a small product that requires four diff. network to be connected. the application is about multicasting. |
| 11:55.44 | zrin | _good_day: you can get a VLAN capable switch for under $200, so it is acceptable even for a small network |
| 11:55.46 | xingu | zrin: nb, it's taken years to pound it into my skull, but for a reasonable campus network, it's a better idea to put a gateway at the head end of *each* access lan, and interconnect those on a transit lan betwixt. |
| 11:56.29 | zrin | xingu: i see |
| 11:56.32 | xingu | _good_day: ok in that case you're starting to get a little exotic; I'd suggest a cisco 2851 and a 4port etherswitch WIC |
| 11:57.14 | xingu | _good_day: for multicast, you need a robust pim/igmp implementation; for "developing small product" you need something that your customers have/ can buy. |
| 11:57.44 | zrin | _good_day: you just need a testing environment? |
| 11:57.54 | _good_day | zrin : yes. |
| 11:58.02 | MangosDebian | _good_day: vmware/xen? |
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| 11:58.09 | xingu | zrin: if you map that concept out on paper, you'll see that it fails more gracefully in the event of single system failure. |
| 11:58.10 | zrin | _good_day: then an etch box should do fine |
| 11:58.14 | _good_day | xingu : thanx a lot looking in to yr suggested one. |
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| 11:58.18 | xingu | zrin: *even* if you implement the gateways in pairs |
| 11:58.38 | zrin | xingu: I think I got the point |
| 11:58.47 | xingu | zrin: also, as an added bonus, you grow a tap point for debugging cross-lan flows |
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| 11:59.33 | MangosDebian | "grow"? |
| 11:59.59 | MangosDebian | port mirror ftw |
| 12:01.13 | Spyro_boy | I need a bit of help here. |
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| 12:01.28 | Spyro_boy | I can't seem to boot my new SATA2 hard drive. |
| 12:01.40 | liable | we all need a little bit of help from our friends |
| 12:01.41 | MangosDebian | how is that debian related?! |
| 12:02.11 | Spyro_boy | MangosDebian, it's not. I'm asking for help. :/ |
| 12:02.23 | Spyro_boy | The most I get is that it mounts the root FS. |
| 12:02.31 | jair | hello guys, good morning is there a manual where describe the installation process of etch? I would like to be confortable with the partitioning of disk creating LVM |
| 12:02.43 | MangosDebian | "Hi, im building a house and setting up a windows network, can I get some help? How is it debian related? umm, there is a debian cd on the floor in one of the rooms!" :) |
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| 12:02.52 | dondelelcaro | !ig |
| 12:02.52 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 12:03.05 | Spyro_boy | And then it warns about cannot not initializing something. |
| 12:03.22 | dondelelcaro | Spyro_boy: we'd need to see the complete output |
| 12:03.23 | Spyro_boy | dondelelcaro, it's not a new insttall. |
| 12:03.33 | Spyro_boy | MangosDebian, I am running debian. |
| 12:03.37 | dondelelcaro | Spyro_boy: the above wasn't for you; it was for jair. |
| 12:03.39 | liable | that was for jair |
| 12:03.42 | xingu | Spyro_boy: does your phone have a camera? |
| 12:03.42 | jair | dondelelcaro: Thanks |
| 12:03.47 | MangosDebian | Spyro_boy: i was just bugging ya :) |
| 12:03.53 | Spyro_boy | I see. |
| 12:04.09 | Spyro_boy | xingu, probably wouldn't come out but I just got an idea. |
| 12:04.16 | Spyro_boy | I'll test my idea first and come back. |
| 12:04.17 | _good_day | Thanx a lot.. really thank ful to you all.. |
| 12:04.43 | Spyro_boy | Damnit! Why doesn't the device exist now?! |
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| 12:05.26 | Spyro_boy | Brfb. |
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| 12:08.33 | MangosDebian | xingu: Re: our sel/grsec debate, I do think it would be a good thing if each package came with rule files appropriate to diff security models though (ie: grsec settings and selinux modules premade for their own apps) |
| 12:08.50 | xingu | MangosDebian: I think it'd be a start if all packages came with debsums ;) |
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| 12:09.05 | liable | they dont? |
| 12:09.25 | MangosDebian | i prefer a gpg key signed by debian key and signed packages |
| 12:09.47 | xingu | liable: locally, 11 are missing 'em. |
| 12:09.51 | liable | but its only the packages file thats signed |
| 12:09.53 | MangosDebian | i fear md5sum collisions are an exact science now |
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| 12:10.11 | mad_muppet | I am trying to install the cdt plugin for eclipse on debian .. I get an error message that the package cant be found .. its on my desktop so what do I do? |
| 12:10.11 | MangosDebian | ms collision calc times would make all security null |
| 12:10.12 | eth01 | hi, how do i check which network card i have? |
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| 12:10.50 | azeem | eth01: lsmod | grep Ethernet |
| 12:10.57 | liable | mad_muppet: install it with dpkg |
| 12:11.06 | azeem | eth01: eh, lspci | grep Ethernet |
| 12:11.13 | MangosDebian | liable: at least a signed checksum file. similar to the dvd's. then you only gotta verify the signing key and then run a checksum verification |
| 12:11.22 | mad_muppet | liable: how do I do that? |
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| 12:11.44 | MangosDebian | of course we would waste more time arguing over specific details then actually getting anything done in this political world |
| 12:11.58 | xingu | liable: one of the offenders is "at" |
| 12:12.05 | xingu | liable: now why would you want sums for that eh? :) |
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| 12:14.02 | xingu | also modutils |
| 12:14.04 | xingu | tch tch |
| 12:14.04 | liable | xingu: no sums for at is indeed quite funny/serious |
| 12:14.23 | liable | mad_muppet: dpkg -i <pkg> |
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| 12:15.34 | mad_muppet | liable: tried that and I got dpkg need an action option |
| 12:16.01 | Spyro_boy | xingu, uploading the screenshot. |
| 12:16.03 | liable | you missed the -i then |
| 12:16.38 | Spyro_boy | this is the error I get: tonybox.net/~spyroboy/warning-boot-sata.jpg |
| 12:16.42 | Spyro_boy | xingu, |
| 12:16.45 | liable | i just discovered the cartlidge betwwen my nostrils is fun to play with |
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| 12:17.15 | liable | i so wish i had a webcam |
| 12:17.28 | xingu | liable, the next numa numa guy |
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| 12:17.53 | Spyro_boy | xingu, what'd'ya think? |
| 12:17.59 | xingu | waiting to load... |
| 12:19.06 | xingu | *snore* |
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| 12:20.43 | Skyrail | Which file is the domain name kept in? I know where the hostname is kept :/ |
| 12:20.50 | liable | xingu: holy shit, i hadn't seen that before. hilarious! |
| 12:21.05 | liable | if not a little sad and disturbing |
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| 12:22.28 | xingu | Spyro_boy: not making any progress here; dpkg has a public access pastebin for pics |
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| 12:24.17 | xingu | here come the drugs here come the drugs |
| 12:25.31 | Spyro_boy | xingu, I don't have a GUI. |
| 12:25.45 | EmleyMoor | Just connected a new USB headset and finding it has a "mushy" sound |
| 12:26.05 | EmleyMoor | If I "ssss" into the microphone, it comes out more as "ssshh" |
| 12:26.57 | EmleyMoor | No - my old headset never shounded like thish |
| 12:27.21 | liable | heh |
| 12:27.32 | MangosDebian | EmleyMoor: maybe you got a spell check running on your soundcard? ;) sssss->sssssh :p |
| 12:27.44 | xingu | EmleyMoor: on the plus side, you'll be able to do a great sean connery |
| 12:28.03 | skejoe | Okay I give it one more try - this time with stable. So I've installede |
| 12:28.16 | liable | or humprhey bogardt |
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| 12:30.10 | skejoe | ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-4-686, ipw3945d and firmware-ipw3945. I've added auto eth2 \n iface eth2 inet dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces. Then I ifup eth2 which gives me following: ipw3945 |
| 12:30.17 | skejoe | http://pastebin.antistof.dk/351 * |
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| 12:31.04 | skejoe | And still there is no net. What to do? |
| 12:31.07 | EmleyMoor | Is there any reasonable adjustment available for USB headsets? Also, how do I play an mp3 through it? |
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| 12:33.09 | MangosDebian | Spyro_boy: get your net workin? |
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| 12:33.44 | liable | lol, angry german kid vs numa numa guy cracked me up |
| 12:33.49 | Spyro_boy | MangosDebian, net? |
| 12:33.55 | MangosDebian | Spyro_boy: dsl |
| 12:33.59 | Spyro_boy | .... |
| 12:34.00 | Spyro_boy | What? |
| 12:34.19 | MangosDebian | Spyro_boy: sorry, wrong nick :) |
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| 12:34.34 | MangosDebian | was for Sofval, but he left |
| 12:35.05 | EmleyMoor | How do I play an MP3 through alsa soundcard 2 (for example)? |
| 12:35.12 | liable | skejoe: does iwconfig show you as associated? |
| 12:35.46 | Spyro_boy | Brb. |
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| 12:38.18 | skejoe | liable: 2secs |
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| 12:38.59 | skejoe | liable: no. http://pastebin.antistof.dk/352 |
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| 12:40.24 | liable | skejoe: why do you expect to get a lease if you aren't associated? |
| 12:40.50 | skejoe | liable: I don't know how to associate it.. |
| 12:40.56 | EmleyMoor | Music doesn't sound too bad on this thing - it's just voices that sound funny |
| 12:41.56 | EmleyMoor | However, admittedly that was via OSS emulation |
| 12:42.05 | liable | skejoe: set your eesid is a good start. man iwconfig |
| 12:42.07 | EmleyMoor | The voices I can't change as ekiga only supports alsa |
| 12:42.14 | liable | skejoe: or install network manager |
| 12:42.48 | MangosDebian | shure slow in here |
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| 12:43.30 | liable | MangosDebian: go do the housework. you know you have been putting it off! |
| 12:43.46 | MangosDebian | liable: i did it hours ago |
| 12:43.56 | liable | MangosDebian: come do mine then! |
| 12:44.00 | MangosDebian | as the day before, and the day ebfore that etc :) |
| 12:44.12 | liable | you do it every day? |
| 12:44.14 | azeem | hrm, http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/ looks neat |
| 12:44.32 | MangosDebian | liable: who else is gonna do it for me? You feel like hiring a maid for me? |
| 12:45.10 | liable | no, but every day sounds a little fanatical to me ;) |
| 12:45.34 | MangosDebian | umm, dishes are an everyday thing at least |
| 12:45.46 | liable | dishes dont count |
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| 12:46.18 | MangosDebian | i suppose I could vacuum the rugs every day *shrugs* |
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| 12:49.55 | xingu | MangosDebian: rohypnol, make the day fly by. |
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| 12:50.17 | liable | yeah, in bed.. |
| 12:50.35 | MangosDebian | rohyphnol? |
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| 12:54.45 | skejoe | liable: now I've installed network-manager but still it says it is unassociated. |
| 12:56.04 | liable | skejoe: ok, uninstall network-manager |
| 12:56.55 | liable | skejoe: then remove the module, make sure the daemon is killed and reload it. then bring the interface up and do a scan and paste the results |
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| 12:57.25 | skejoe | liable: the ipw3945 module? |
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| 12:57.31 | liable | yup |
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| 12:58.09 | tyborall | you have to do sudo adduser username netdev |
| 12:58.12 | tyborall | then it works! |
| 12:58.27 | liable | eh? |
| 12:58.39 | tyborall | to let network manager work with devices |
| 12:59.08 | liable | oh |
| 12:59.16 | tyborall | try it |
| 12:59.17 | hark | that should have been automatically done |
| 12:59.22 | tyborall | no it did not |
| 12:59.25 | liable | skejoe: ^^ try what tyborall suggested |
| 12:59.29 | tyborall | trust me |
| 12:59.34 | hark | check with 'groups' |
| 12:59.48 | tyborall | give it a try |
| 12:59.50 | liable | you will need to log out though |
| 13:00.05 | liable | afterwards |
| 13:00.11 | tyborall | yes, add your user to the group netdev. relogin. and then network manager shows the devices |
| 13:00.32 | skejoe | Ok. I will try :D |
| 13:01.18 | hark | skejoe: check if you're already added |
| 13:01.20 | Spyro_boy | Does anyone own a Seagate Barracuda? |
| 13:01.34 | x_link | Spyro_boy: I do. |
| 13:01.35 | liable | i think so |
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| 13:01.47 | Spyro_boy | x_link, can you hear it? |
| 13:01.48 | x_link | Seagate Barracuda 200GB IDE 8MB cache 7200rpm. |
| 13:01.52 | liable | i think i have two! do I win a prize? |
| 13:01.52 | x_link | Spyro_boy: I don't use it. |
| 13:01.53 | Spyro_boy | I see. |
| 13:01.55 | Spyro_boy | Oh. |
| 13:01.58 | x_link | ;) |
| 13:02.02 | Spyro_boy | Mine's pretty loud. |
| 13:02.05 | Spyro_boy | I have a 320GB. |
| 13:02.06 | x_link | Okej. |
| 13:02.16 | Spyro_boy | But my other 120GB Seagate is silent... and it's a few years old. |
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| 13:02.23 | x_link | I have Samsung SpinPoint 250GB SATA2 16MB cache 7200rpm now, it's really quiet. |
| 13:02.37 | liable | skejoe: as in spinning or the usual disk noise? |
| 13:02.37 | x_link | + Western Digital 250GB IDE, it's louder than my Samsung. |
| 13:02.41 | liable | Spyro_boy: ^^ |
| 13:02.47 | x_link | Samsung discs are quiet as hell. |
| 13:02.59 | liable | my 80G ones are noist as fuck when they are reading |
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| 13:03.50 | Spyro_boy | This is SATA2. |
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| 13:03.58 | liable | so? |
| 13:04.10 | Spyro_boy | Nothing. Just saying. :P |
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| 13:04.25 | Spyro_boy | Uh yeah, that's weird though. Seagate claimed to have silent hdds. |
| 13:04.38 | Spyro_boy | Or the store rigged the description. |
| 13:05.00 | skejoe | So now I have installed network-manager again, added myself to the netdev group and rebooted. Then what should I do? |
| 13:05.19 | tyborall | you want to use it on console or under gnome? |
| 13:05.38 | skejoe | tyborall: console. |
| 13:05.43 | tyborall | ok |
| 13:05.44 | zrin | I'll be thankful for any hint: smbldap-populate: erreur LDAP: Can't contact master ldap server (IO::Socket::INET: Bad protocol 'tcp') at /usr/share/perl5/smbldap_tools.pm line 282 |
| 13:05.57 | tyborall | wpa-connection or what type? |
| 13:06.14 | skejoe | Not encrypted. |
| 13:06.20 | liable | eh? you cant use nm as a console app |
| 13:06.27 | tyborall | you can |
| 13:06.31 | tyborall | but i never did it |
| 13:06.33 | liable | skejoe: just start it and see what it says |
| 13:06.50 | tyborall | for use with gnome you have to install network-manager-gnome |
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| 13:07.09 | tyborall | then you can connect to wlans by choosing them from a list in your system notification area |
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| 13:08.05 | skejoe | Hmm okay. I'm installing KDE now. |
| 13:08.15 | liable | woah |
| 13:08.18 | liable | why? |
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| 13:09.25 | Rouoman | i have to write a simple script bash that send infomration over network ports, is there is simple way to do it? |
| 13:09.36 | skejoe | Doesn't I have to do so? I also install network-manager-kde |
| 13:09.45 | tyborall | that should work too |
| 13:09.47 | Eludias | Rouoman: use 'nc' / 'netcat'. |
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| 13:09.53 | tyborall | i never use kde |
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| 13:10.08 | liable | skejoe: stop whatever you are doing |
| 13:10.14 | skejoe | Stopped. |
| 13:10.34 | tyborall | ? |
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| 13:10.56 | liable | skejoe: ok, back to the start. kill network-manager |
| 13:11.07 | liable | skejoe: you know how to kill a process? |
| 13:11.10 | Rouoman | Eludias,k thanks |
| 13:11.38 | Eludias | liable: use killall to kill by name. |
| 13:12.02 | skejoe | liable: done. |
| 13:12.04 | metrics | sudo /etc/init.d/network-manager stop |
| 13:12.08 | liable | Eludias: i prefer pkill myself |
| 13:12.11 | hark | liable: man kill ;) |
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| 13:12.29 | liable | stop fucking telling me how to kill a process |
| 13:12.32 | liable | :P |
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| 13:12.51 | liable | *I* know how to, I was asking if he did! |
| 13:13.06 | skejoe | I know. |
| 13:13.07 | MangosDebian | liable: killall <process name> |
| 13:13.12 | metrics | hehe |
| 13:13.15 | Eludias | liable: we know now you know |
| 13:13.20 | skejoe | networkmanager is killed. |
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| 13:14.13 | liable | skejoe: right, unload the module, make sure ipw3945 is killed as well (just to be sure) and reload it |
| 13:14.38 | skejoe | Unload the module?? |
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| 13:15.03 | hark | modprobe -r ipw3945 |
| 13:15.21 | tyborall | skejoe: you install ipw3945d, firmware-ipw3945 and the modules, right? |
| 13:15.45 | skejoe | tyborall: yeah. |
| 13:15.48 | tyborall | k |
| 13:15.49 | skejoe | liable: done. |
| 13:15.54 | liable | ooh, i missed the d in that comment |
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| 13:16.07 | liable | skejoe: so the daemon was stopped? |
| 13:17.56 | liable | skejoe: ps aux|grep ipw3945d |
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| 13:18.40 | dwschool | i'm trying to apt-get update and it hands at waiting for headers. What could be wrong |
| 13:18.58 | liable | try another mirror |
| 13:19.08 | metrics | Internet connection ;P |
| 13:19.12 | dwschool | where can i find a list of mirrors |
| 13:19.13 | Chrom_ | or wait till it goes timeout |
| 13:19.19 | skejoe | liable: Okay. Now the module and ipw3945 is reloaded.. |
| 13:19.20 | dwschool | internet connection is fine |
| 13:19.21 | liable | !mirrors |
| 13:19.21 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 13:20.00 | liable | skejoe: bring the iface up, do a scan and paste the output |
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| 13:21.20 | skejoe | liable: ifup eth2 && iwlist eth2 scan? |
| 13:21.41 | liable | skejoe: ifconfig eth2 up; iwlist scan |
| 13:22.04 | skejoe | liable: ifconfig og iwconfig? |
| 13:22.16 | liable | ifconfig to bring it up |
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| 13:23.05 | dwschool | different mirror does the same thing |
| 13:23.09 | skejoe | Then it says ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth2: link is not ready. Does it matter? |
| 13:23.36 | dwschool | i can ping the mirror ftp.us.debian.org |
| 13:23.51 | liable | skejoe: ok, paste your dmesg output |
| 13:24.04 | liable | just the ipw stuff thats relevent |
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| 13:25.15 | skejoe | Uhm now I did ifconfig eth2 and then it said nothing. |
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| 13:25.34 | liable | nothing is good |
| 13:25.54 | liable | it means no error happened |
| 13:26.45 | skejoe | iwlist scan incoming |
| 13:27.13 | skejoe | liable: http://pastebin.antistof.dk/353 |
| 13:27.49 | liable | skejoe: that your ap? WLAN ? |
| 13:28.21 | skejoe | liable: Yep. |
| 13:28.38 | liable | skejoe: iwconfig eth2 essid WLAN |
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| 13:28.57 | liable | then paste iwconfig output |
| 13:29.34 | skejoe | ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth2: link becomes ready. Fine I guess? |
| 13:30.21 | liable | yes kust paste output |
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| 13:30.50 | skejoe | liable: http://pastebin.antistof.dk/354 |
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| 13:31.31 | liable | skejoe: dhclient eth2 |
| 13:32.19 | skejoe | liable: Done. |
| 13:32.32 | liable | it gave you a lease? |
| 13:33.02 | skejoe | I think so. |
| 13:33.19 | liable | paste |
| 13:33.29 | skejoe | bound to 192bla -- renewal in 37070 seconds |
| 13:33.39 | gimbal | if you want to build a kernel from source, using the deb setup, is it so simple? : just install the source package for the desired kernel version? |
| 13:33.45 | liable | good, now all you need to do is send me beer |
| 13:34.01 | skejoe | liable: heh :P Thanks man. You rock :D:D |
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| 13:34.42 | xand | !kernel |
| 13:34.44 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.22.1, snapshot: 2.6.22-git16, 2.4: 2.4.34.5, prepatch: 2.4.35-pre5, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.22-rc6-mm1 |
| 13:34.52 | xand | !compile kernel |
| 13:34.52 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 13:35.04 | xand | gimbal: it's not very hard |
| 13:35.11 | gimbal | xand: danke |
| 13:35.22 | liable | skejoe: now have a read of /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for how to set it up in your files to work at boot |
| 13:35.40 | skejoe | liable: will do. |
| 13:35.48 | liable | skejoe: you prolly want to use wpa-supplicant if the ap is yours and supports wpa |
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| 13:35.56 | liable | at least wep |
| 13:36.16 | themill | skejoe: just back online -- good to see you're up and running |
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| 13:36.31 | skejoe | themill: yeah its great :D |
| 13:37.02 | gimbal | xand: figuring so, heh, wasn't sure how to get the right sources, the deb way; have built images w/o make-kpkg, but I'm only going with deb stuff, atm |
| 13:38.28 | gimbal | what the heynow is the name of that astronomy prog from clearsky institute? xephem, nmind |
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| 13:40.13 | sam542 | what do i need to put into my sources.list to enable the lenny non-free repository? |
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| 13:40.35 | liable | non-free |
| 13:40.37 | dondelelcaro | sam542: just append contrib non-free to your existing lenny sources.list entry |
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| 13:41.36 | sam542 | did the trick thanks |
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| 13:41.45 | rapha | Hi all! |
| 13:41.51 | rapha | How can I authenticate the standard Debian sources? |
| 13:42.06 | rapha | (http://http.us.debian.org/debian and so forth) |
| 13:43.52 | liable | rapha: it should do it automagically for you |
| 13:44.21 | liable | rapha: if it doesn't, install/upgrade debain-archive-keyring |
| 13:44.23 | sam542 | why isnt there an up to date nvidia driver in the non-free repository? |
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| 13:44.57 | liable | which debian version? |
| 13:45.02 | Xcxz | is security.debian.org down?? |
| 13:45.13 | sam542 | lenny |
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| 13:45.54 | eth01 | when removing users its -- deluser right? and also u need to manually delete the /home/$user/ ? |
| 13:46.05 | liable | Xcxz: getting time out here |
| 13:46.33 | liable | dondelelcaro: know the cause? |
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| 13:47.00 | liable | several other peoples comments now make more sense.. |
| 13:47.03 | MangosDebian | eth01: deluser --help |
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| 13:48.56 | xand | delus...ions |
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| 13:50.38 | rapha | liable: in that case something is probably not right. I got the latest version of debian-archive-keyring. My sources.list looks like this: http://rafb.net/p/NnkC0X94.html |
| 13:50.47 | eth01 | can i upgrade to lenny? |
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| 13:51.15 | rapha | liable: oh, and debian-version says 4.0 |
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| 13:51.47 | liable | eth01: yes, you have my permission.. |
| 13:52.06 | eth01 | lol.. no its still testing |
| 13:52.07 | eth01 | right |
| 13:52.28 | liable | rapha: non-us is no longer, so yoou can remove that for a start |
| 13:52.43 | rapha | okay |
| 13:52.45 | rapha | oh my |
| 13:52.52 | rapha | I did an apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:53.01 | rapha | Just reading http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 13:53.09 | rapha | because before, debian_version read 3.2 |
| 13:53.21 | liable | yes, reading the release notes is a good idea :) |
| 13:53.28 | rapha | too late |
| 13:53.38 | themill | rapha: the release notes will tell you to do an aptitude dist-upgrade not apt-get... |
| 13:53.42 | liable | rapha: 3.0 or 3.1, not 3.2 |
| 13:53.46 | rapha | er 3.1 |
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| 13:53.54 | rapha | so what is broken now if I |
| 13:53.58 | rapha | so what is broken now if I've used apt-get |
| 13:54.05 | liable | nothing |
| 13:54.14 | liable | well.. |
| 13:54.15 | rapha | good :) |
| 13:54.22 | themill | rapha: some things may have been unnecessarily uninstalled though |
| 13:54.38 | eth01 | do you have to change 'etch' to 'lenny' if you want lenny? |
| 13:54.42 | eth01 | in sources.list |
| 13:54.50 | rapha | oh I don't care for that |
| 13:54.54 | liable | eth01: thats the idea, yes |
| 13:54.55 | themill | !tell eth01 about etch->lenny |
| 13:55.05 | rapha | liable: the auth problem has been solved by removing non-us, thanks! |
| 13:55.22 | liable | eth01: are you sure you should be using lenny though? |
| 13:55.32 | eth01 | why not?! is it unstable? |
| 13:55.50 | liable | rapha: fyi, it wasnt even in sarge :P |
| 13:56.01 | eth01 | hrm, i assume it prolly is |
| 13:56.01 | liable | eth01: it can break, yes. |
| 13:56.04 | rapha | oh :) |
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| 13:56.47 | jair | guys,it is not recomended to add "contrib, and non-free" to my "source.lst" on the security.debian.org or ftp.debian.org? |
| 13:57.11 | jair | I think I just have a much bigger number of software and packages? |
| 13:57.11 | themill | jair: if you need things from non-free or contrib then it's highly recommended... |
| 13:57.35 | jair | yes I think to install couple of applications and servers I will need then |
| 13:57.46 | rapha | Is there some command to purge all stuff that has been left by packages that have been removed? |
| 13:58.15 | themill | jair: you can look on packages.debian.org to see if you need them. |
| 13:58.38 | liable | security doesnt do non-free |
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| 13:58.48 | themill | jair: most people just include them and cope with sullying their computer with some non-free stuff. Other don't include them on principle. It's up to you. |
| 13:59.07 | themill | liable: you sure? |
| 13:59.54 | themill | liable: http://security.debian.org |
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| 14:00.04 | jair | themill: liable so then I should just leave security as it is, with just contrib and main |
| 14:00.22 | themill | jair: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 14:00.41 | MangosDebian | hmmm, things are a little too slow today. Can someone bring in a few question bots or something, speed things up a bit? |
| 14:00.58 | liable | themill: guess not. I was quite sure they didnt.. |
| 14:01.06 | liable | MangosDebian: what is the meaning of life |
| 14:01.19 | liable | MangosDebian: what are next weeks lotto numbers? |
| 14:01.23 | MangosDebian | liable: no no silly, you have to use a different nick :) |
| 14:01.29 | liable | MangosDebian: when will they leave iraq? |
| 14:01.41 | MangosDebian | !8ball |
| 14:01.42 | themill | jair: non-free doesn't mean not open source -- there can still be updates and security stuff for them |
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| 14:03.20 | liable | !magic8ball will MangosDebian finish his housework? |
| 14:03.35 | liable | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 14:03.35 | dpkg | no, stupid liable |
| 14:03.56 | themill | liable: there's not been any non-free security updates since early 2006 by the looks of it (woody). |
| 14:04.03 | MangosDebian | !8ball |
| 14:04.03 | dpkg | signs point to yes |
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| 14:04.33 | jair | themill: ok I will do that it will not hurt anyhting if I do not install things from it |
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| 14:04.40 | MangosDebian | liable: seems like the 20 8ball factoids all pointing to non exiting factoid :/ |
| 14:04.41 | rapha | liable: Is there some command to purge all stuff that has been left by packages that have been removed? (i.e., clear out the dpkg -l list) |
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| 14:05.01 | liable | themill: ok, i was under the impression this was so |
| 14:05.01 | eth01 | how an earth do I stop apache2? |
| 14:05.12 | rapha | apache2ctl stop ? |
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| 14:05.20 | themill | invoke-rc.d apache2 stop |
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| 14:05.37 | liable | rapha: debfoster is your friend, and using aptitude in the future is your friend |
| 14:05.46 | MangosDebian | eth01: deleting users, upgrading to testint, stopping apache2, wow, just full of random linux tasks today :) |
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| 14:05.49 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 14:05.57 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 14:06.04 | MangosDebian | hello |
| 14:06.20 | rapha | liable: k thx ... so apt-get is being depricated? |
| 14:06.42 | b0xii | ?! |
| 14:06.51 | eth01 | ouch, I like apt-get :// |
| 14:06.56 | liable | rapha: sorta, aptitude is just a little smarter so to speak |
| 14:07.04 | rapha | k |
| 14:07.11 | MangosDebian | the day the remove atp-get is the day I go ubuntu :) |
| 14:07.19 | MangosDebian | they* |
| 14:07.20 | liable | it tracks auto installed stuff and has better dependncy resolution |
| 14:07.38 | eth01 | heh, ubuntu |
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| 14:07.54 | rapha | No arguments about that pls ;) |
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| 14:08.21 | eth01 | :p |
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| 14:09.27 | liable | MangosDebian: thats got to be the worst excuse evar! |
| 14:09.46 | rapha | liable: this debfoster thing looks pretty dangerous... I think if I let it run it will just deinstall Debian entirely |
| 14:09.48 | liable | you know your just itching for an excuse to use ubuntu |
| 14:09.58 | MangosDebian | liable: sorry, I got a random excuse script |
| 14:10.19 | themill | rapha: you can use deborphan to generate a list of unused libraries |
| 14:10.55 | themill | rapha: but be aware that anything you have compiled locally won't be registered with apt and so won't hold onto its deps |
| 14:11.06 | MangosDebian | liable: it auto generates complete history and identification profiles as well. According to my script, my name is Ackbar, aged 17 and I live in Oklahoma. *shrug* |
| 14:11.19 | liable | rapha: meh, if you think its dangerous dont use it. its actually a great tool |
| 14:11.25 | rapha | themill: that is nothing yet, so meh |
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| 14:11.40 | rapha | liable: what about 'aptitude purge'? Looks exactly like what I want |
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| 14:12.33 | liable | rapha: you need a little background info on how it all works, and i aint in the mood to explain it all |
| 14:12.44 | rapha | okay |
| 14:13.15 | jair | themill: it looks like the non-free at the end of security fetch something :) |
| 14:13.21 | jair | themill: so I left it there thanks |
| 14:14.58 | liable | MangosDebian: if i keep running that script, will you become "Ivanta Suckalot" the 18 year old swedish nimfo i have been dreaming about? |
| 14:15.08 | eth01 | off goes apache2, in comes lighttpd :P |
| 14:15.32 | MangosDebian | liable: possibly, let me iterate a few new profiles and see what I can come up with. |
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| 14:16.34 | jair | themill: why the etch version of debian come by default with "allow-hotplug eth0" on the interfaces configuration file instead of "auto" like sarge? |
| 14:17.09 | haluk | hi i try to install new fonts on my debian according to "http://www.cfilt.iitb.ac.in/fonts/linuxfonts.html" this site. but when i type chkfontpath --add /usr/local/share/fonts/ttfonts it gives error because of chkfontpath What can i do? |
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| 14:19.48 | rapha | liable: nm, found out how it works, thx |
| 14:20.52 | themill | jair: i think it's to allow udev+hal to manage the network for you. |
| 14:21.07 | themill | jair: but others will know more about that than me |
| 14:22.26 | jair | themill: I see, I change it to auto because if I am remote I want the network to come back automatically |
| 14:22.35 | Rouoman | can i somehow send to qemu monitor commands over the network? |
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| 14:22.57 | jair | EVERYONE! why the etch version of debian come by default with "allow-hotplug eth0" on the interfaces configuration file instead of "auto" like sarge? |
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| 14:25.04 | liable | jair: you can safely remove it |
| 14:25.34 | liable | jair: i presume for things like usb and pcmcia cards |
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| 14:26.54 | Noborusan | hey guys,im installing a control panel on debian etch :D |
| 14:27.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | jair, YOU-ALONE! probably so that you can plug the network out/in while running |
| 14:28.16 | MangosDebian | Noborusan: which one? |
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| 14:29.04 | scenestar | can someone give me a list of changes between a vanilla kernel from kernel.org and the ones included with debian? |
| 14:29.10 | Noborusan | MangosDebian, DirectAdmin, a webhosting panel ,nice GUI :D rich features too :) Unlimited uses <lifetime payment) :) |
| 14:29.52 | MangosDebian | Noborusan: only ever had experiences with cpanel myself. Personally I think they charge way too much for them though |
| 14:29.56 | Noborusan | MangosDebian, dan,this DA thing have been confusing me for a week due to incorrect user id and license number,now its solved know what, a typing mistake in email :) |
| 14:30.00 | scenestar | dude use DTC |
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| 14:30.08 | scenestar | dtc-postfix-courier |
| 14:30.11 | scenestar | its in debian |
| 14:30.25 | scenestar | and free as in speech AND beer |
| 14:30.32 | Noborusan | MangosDebian, very exactly, yeah, cpanel is so expensive |
| 14:30.34 | scenestar | so ditch all that other SHIT that is outthere |
| 14:30.36 | MangosDebian | Noborusan: someone made a typing mistake that broken your interface? |
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| 14:30.42 | MangosDebian | broke* |
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| 14:31.06 | scenestar | direct admin is for losers |
| 14:31.20 | Noborusan | MangosDebian, nah, either this mistake occured when DA sent email contains info to the reseller,or, when the reseller sent it to me |
| 14:31.26 | MangosDebian | scenestar: what do you recommend? webmin? :) |
| 14:31.40 | scenestar | dtc-postfix-courier |
| 14:31.45 | Noborusan | MangosDebian, i.e. should be 1234,but gave me 1324 lol |
| 14:31.49 | scenestar | www.gplhost.com |
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| 14:31.51 | scenestar | check it out |
| 14:32.01 | scenestar | www.easyvpshost.com |
| 14:32.09 | MangosDebian | Noborusan: You think they would have automated that sort of email and elimanted human error |
| 14:32.28 | bolder | Hello |
| 14:32.39 | massctrl | hi how can I make md not trying to reconstruct a raid mirror? although i'v set everything to false in the /etc/default/ file it keeps reconstructing, and I don't want that, ... how can I prevent this? It horribly slowing down my server |
| 14:32.43 | zrin | is there a way to turn url completion / alternative url off for iceweasel? I don't like visiting www.localhost.com any more :( |
| 14:32.50 | MangosDebian | scenestar: personally I think your better off making your own panel interface but thats just me |
| 14:33.02 | scenestar | MangosDebian yeah either that |
| 14:33.07 | scenestar | or you contribute to the one you use? |
| 14:33.18 | Noborusan | MangosDebian, hmm |
| 14:33.27 | MangosDebian | well, i don't use one since I dont run dosens of machines for hosting though |
| 14:33.45 | scenestar | MangosDebian no wonder you make such bullshit claims |
| 14:33.58 | Noborusan | MangosDebian, you bought Cpanel ?or rent ? |
| 14:34.02 | MangosDebian | scenestar: ? |
| 14:34.17 | scenestar | <MangosDebian> scenestar: personally I think your better off making your own panel interface but thats just me << that one |
| 14:34.21 | MangosDebian | Noborusan: no, i use cpanel for my domains |
| 14:34.28 | Noborusan | I see |
| 14:34.41 | MangosDebian | scenestar: how is that a bullshit claim? |
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| 14:35.11 | tomaw | hrm |
| 14:35.14 | scenestar | because making youw own panel is unpractival |
| 14:35.17 | MangosDebian | Noborusan: although they only give me very limited access in it for the package I have. But ive seen what its capable of and played with demos of it |
| 14:35.18 | Noborusan | It's now recompling zlib, DA support told me that SSH needs to be restarted if zlib is recompiled, let us see. |
| 14:36.00 | MangosDebian | scenestar: well, i suppose deadlines and timelines etc would make it impractical. But it would be nice to see a open source panel for that market |
| 14:36.06 | scenestar | THERE IS ONE |
| 14:36.09 | scenestar | IT IS IN DEBIAN |
| 14:36.13 | Noborusan | MangosDebian, i see, maybe you should try vps hosting,you will have wild access to the system. |
| 14:36.13 | scenestar | sjeesh |
| 14:36.19 | scenestar | i just tried to tell you 10 times |
| 14:36.24 | scenestar | are you fucking autistic or something |
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| 14:37.07 | MangosDebian | Noborusan: i wish i could get into hosting. doesn't seem like theres much a of chance of getting any business in it though. seems crowded already |
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| 14:37.33 | MangosDebian | scenestar: oh sorry, i figured you were refering to commercial one you used |
| 14:37.42 | Noborusan | true@crowded already, hence the VPS is getting popular nowadays,i read that online. |
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| 14:37.49 | scenestar | no its opensource |
| 14:38.04 | scenestar | <scenestar> and free as in speech AND beer << dammit |
| 14:38.16 | Skyrail | MangosDebian: if you can start up a hosting company with competative prices (i.e. low) good customer service with up-to-date software that'd be good :P |
| 14:38.36 | Noborusan | MangosDebian, but in china here, the troditional webhosting still has chance to make money from. |
| 14:38.42 | MangosDebian | Noborusan: seems like unless I got thousands of dollars and at least a dosen clients prebooked, it would be too risky. |
| 14:39.16 | MangosDebian | Skyrail: believe me, I would if I was financially in a position to buy all the hardware and internet lines needed |
| 14:39.39 | MangosDebian | eth01: no I don't own one. what gave you that idea? |
| 14:39.42 | Skyrail | MangosDebian: if you ever get the financial means tell me about it :D I'd love to know how it's all done |
| 14:39.51 | MangosDebian | and please, no priv messages ;) |
| 14:40.01 | MangosDebian | Skyrail: so would i :) |
| 14:40.13 | Noborusan | MangosDebian, for 1, most of home users cant imagine setup a server at home for 1, electricity fee. 2.upstream bandwidth is so little. 2ndly, its still expensive to have a server on the datacenter. |
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| 14:40.52 | Noborusan | MangosDebian, no,you would only have to need the $$$$,after hard work, the cusumers will come :) |
| 14:41.01 | MangosDebian | Skyrail: unfortunately, I dont think running a hosting company is a one man job either. by the time you plan out your hardware, get all your computers in place, insurance, software installed, configured etc, I think money would be hurting |
| 14:41.38 | Skyrail | MangosDebian: it'd be great to work with setting up a hosting company and messing with sorting out DNSs, server balancing, database servers and such, but I suck at linux currently, I want to learn though :/ yeh, I highly doubt it's cheap either, especialy against these hi-tech hosting facilities |
| 14:41.44 | MangosDebian | Noborusan: i suppose you can always start small with cheap coloc box and test the waters and expand from there |
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| 14:43.08 | MangosDebian | Skyrail: I would like to do that of course, but then my web design skills would lack. but if I switch focus to web design then you fall behind with system management. Last thing you want is to setup a system, then forget it and learn www design and have something break and not remember how to fix it in a timely fashioon |
| 14:43.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess nobody'd know by pure chance how to use hugin or another stitcher to improve image quality with a series of nearly identical images? |
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| 14:44.13 | Noborusan | MangosDebian, yeah,i agree |
| 14:44.14 | liable | or forgetting how to spell fashion |
| 14:44.25 | Skyrail | MangosDebian: indeed I know what you mean, another problem is I highly doubt I'll ever get to work with large user bases with lots of servers as it's just not feasible as a home user :( |
| 14:44.31 | MangosDebian | liable: ya, didn't think I needed to correct it though ;) |
| 14:45.22 | liable | MangosDebian: its a rare occasion on #debian when its me hanging shit on others spelling, but i couldnt help it :) |
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| 14:46.26 | MangosDebian | Skyrail: one man teams are risky as well. Theres the "hit by a bus" problem to contend with. Also, when you add new people, who do you trust and how do you determine how find out if they will be an issue with client data |
| 14:46.48 | MangosDebian | liable: its ok, we all do it :) |
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| 14:47.22 | MGS | Anyone has any experience getting Bind 9 running inside a vserver with Debian Etch on an AMD_x64 system (using 2.6.18-4-vserver-amd64)? |
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| 14:47.52 | Skyrail | hmm, that is a problem but for now I think I'll stick with trying to get two PCs to network correctly before moving onto bigger things MangosDebian heh...I really need a few fresh PCs to start off on with fresh debian installations and learn from the ground up :( |
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| 14:49.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Skyrail, heh, i didnt do a fresh installation for the last 6 machines or so |
| 14:49.39 | Skyrail | CutMeOwnThroat: what do you mean? What do you use the machines for? |
| 14:50.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | they were used at university... |
| 14:50.16 | Skyrail | Ah I see :) |
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| 14:50.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | but as I was one of the people going to use them, I always cloned the last system... |
| 14:50.34 | Skyrail | I'm just a curious teenager who wants to get something to work D:< it's a pain :/ |
| 14:50.49 | venger | i told apt "screen 0 is not DRI capable" for a search and apt said okay, hope it didn't "take my words to heart" |
| 14:50.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | because then everything will work the way I like it, after figuring out the hardware gliches |
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| 14:51.40 | palestino | alguien tiene una intel pro/wireless 3945 abg? |
| 14:51.46 | oskie | is it possible to run badblocks online? my disk seems to have developed a number of bad sectors... |
| 14:51.50 | Skyrail | Ah makes sense hmm...it's just frustrating trying to get anywhere as I don't know where to learn from and asking in here makes me feel more like a n00b then I know I am hehe |
| 14:52.10 | palestino | sorry |
| 14:52.17 | palestino | someone have a 3945abg wireless? |
| 14:52.18 | themill | !tell palestino about ipw3945 |
| 14:52.32 | themill | palestino: yes, I have one |
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| 14:52.47 | palestino | themill, im using slackware...but slackers dont know to help me, can u help me? |
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| 14:53.35 | palestino | I have all the day trying |
| 14:53.36 | MangosDebian | Skyrail: i don't know if there ever is an end to being curious or learning :) |
| 14:53.41 | themill | palestino: it all pretty much works out of the box on debian... there's not much I can tell you! |
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| 14:53.50 | Kate|work | Skyrail - I'm going to be doing that soon |
| 14:53.53 | ff | hello folks |
| 14:54.08 | palestino | mmmm |
| 14:54.09 | palestino | ok |
| 14:54.11 | palestino | thnx anyway |
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| 14:54.23 | themill | palestino: if you ask specific questions then I can try though |
| 14:54.36 | ff | I would like to know if someone had installed debian on Gateway MT6840 and if everything goes well |
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| 14:54.58 | liable | the ipw3945 driver sucks ass anyway |
| 14:55.05 | liable | use the new one |
| 14:55.17 | palestino | themill, ...welll, first I think I fucked something when I downloaded the ieee80211 because I think my kernel had it... |
| 14:55.34 | palestino | themill, u instaled the driver of ipw3945 of sourceforge? |
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| 14:55.41 | themill | liable: is the new one ready for use yet? The older intel one is certainly stable. |
| 14:55.50 | themill | palestino: yes, but via the debian package of it |
| 14:55.57 | Skyrail | Kate|work: what, having a few machines and trying to get them to work together succesfully? I'm kinda lost :S |
| 14:55.58 | palestino | ah |
| 14:56.13 | palestino | themill, i get an error when I try to install it |
| 14:56.23 | liable | themill: been using it for about three months, so i would say yes. its in wireless-dev kernel for a month or so also |
| 14:56.25 | Kate|work | lol I'm going to be doing the same thing purdy soon |
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| 14:56.38 | themill | palestino: what error? can you pastebin it? |
| 14:56.52 | themill | liable: nice... worth looking for then. How does it do with suspend/resume? |
| 14:57.03 | palestino | yes,wait |
| 14:57.38 | Skyrail | Kate|work: lucky you >.> I'd love to mess around with linux on multiple machines, any idea where to learn about networking with linux? As in from Intro basic to advanced walkthrough style =D |
| 14:57.51 | liable | themill: good question, i gave up on suspend about 6 moths ago because of fglrx and havent gotten around to it since |
| 14:57.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | damn... I definitely remember you could use hugin or ptstitcher to overlay two images properly and such enhance quality |
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| 14:58.04 | palestino | themill, http://pastebin.com/m3f53bc61 |
| 14:58.08 | Kate|work | Uhm, well I'll be learning how to do that stuff and I can show you as I go :P |
| 14:58.18 | Kate|work | This place is good with questions |
| 14:58.22 | Kate|work | I can find you some spiffy tutorials |
| 14:58.35 | themill | liable: fglrx is suspending nicely for me here (std not str.. haven't tried str). ipw3945 is ok as long as you modprobe -r ; modprobe |
| 14:58.39 | Skyrail | Kate|work: thank you, that'd be awesome :) |
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| 14:59.08 | Kate|work | uhm, PM me |
| 14:59.25 | liable | themill: yes, i must get off my lazy ass and fix it. and you should try iwl3945 |
| 14:59.52 | jlc | does anyone know if you do an install and choose "lvm encrypted setup" with /home /usr /var /tmp automatically does it leave any space left over for resizing or does it just guess some decent sizes and leave no space left on the lvm? |
| 14:59.57 | themill | liable: but I cherrypicked them both from lenny (fglrx 8.37; ipw 1.2.1) with a 2.6.21 kernel |
| 15:00.13 | themill | liable: debianised version coming soon for iwl? |
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| 15:00.34 | themill | liable: I'm feeling lazy when it comes to kernel modules these days... debian's spoilt me ;) |
| 15:00.35 | Gnu_Raiz | if you cherry picked them, why not cherry pick a newer kernel? |
| 15:00.47 | liable | themill: it uses mac80211 which is in .22, so possibly |
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| 15:01.17 | liable | themill: the advantage is that it doesnt have the retarded daemon |
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| 15:01.57 | MangosDebian | jlc: i think is you go guided, it will toss the bulk in /home every time, lvm or not |
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| 15:02.25 | themill | liable: I've never had any technical problems with the daemon (only ethical problems). the iwl3945 firmware is in sid so I guess the driver should be there somewhere too... |
| 15:02.26 | jlc | I know you can grow ext3 fs with lvm, but can you reduce them? |
| 15:02.30 | portager | hello |
| 15:02.47 | MangosDebian | jlc: lvm is capable, but you will have a harder time with ext3. but it is possible |
| 15:02.57 | portager | is anyone here using powertop? |
| 15:03.05 | jlc | thanks |
| 15:03.14 | xerxes | lvm2 these days |
| 15:03.17 | liable | themill: you musnt have used it before it was in the repos then. its an ugly hack, both having a daemon and running it from init |
| 15:03.24 | MangosDebian | jlc: older versions of lvm made it more automated, but now, shrinking seems to require you just plug in the exact size number (don't get it wrong or else) |
| 15:03.25 | jlc | xerxes: right |
| 15:03.37 | jlc | i'll just go manual |
| 15:03.58 | jlc | hope the lvm/encryption part is easy for manual install |
| 15:04.14 | themill | liable: correct... this laptop only 1 month old and the one before that was ipw2100. |
| 15:04.15 | xerxes | i dont really see much point in creating seperate partitions... unless you expect users to 'accidently' or otherwise fill the disk.. |
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| 15:04.29 | MangosDebian | jlc: i think your best off just doing a /root,/boot setup with lvm and leaving the rest of the space free and set it up in lvm after you get installed and cp -xa everything to partitions later |
| 15:04.35 | jlc | lenny is the only thing that has worked on this laptop, I haven't used debian that much in a few years but linux is linux for the most part :) |
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| 15:04.49 | themill | palestino: is that error from running make in the top level of the ipw3945 source dir? |
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| 15:05.05 | Skept | Hi, Can anyone recommend a frontend for tar/bz2/gzip and the rest? |
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| 15:05.22 | Gnu_Raiz | why would you want a gui for tar |
| 15:05.23 | xerxes | Skept ... winrar ? ;-D |
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| 15:05.55 | xerxes | Skept probably the best frontend is the bash shell imho |
| 15:05.55 | Skept | xerxes: Thanks. That was very helpful. |
| 15:06.03 | xerxes | Skept my appologies heh |
| 15:06.07 | MGS | skept: tried xarchiver? Never used it myself but I see it in my package list |
| 15:06.16 | palestino | themill, its when i do "make,"yes |
| 15:06.21 | Gnu_Raiz | xerxes: lol, |
| 15:06.27 | liable | Skept: most desktops have shit to look after stuff |
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| 15:06.35 | liable | that stuff |
| 15:06.50 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 15:06.54 | Skept | Ok. I will look at xarchiver. Thanks. |
| 15:07.00 | Gnu_Raiz | you will need a rar if you do usenet. |
| 15:07.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | oooo |
| 15:07.05 | liable | fileroller is another iirc |
| 15:07.06 | themill | palestino: if you specify the override that it mentions does that help? |
| 15:07.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's a nice page (except for the layout or colors) http://debianlinux.net/multimedia.html |
| 15:07.26 | Gnu_Raiz | most people like unrar, but I would suggest to all to have it, or winrar if running windows. |
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| 15:08.01 | themill | palestino: ipw3945 appears to have a slackbuild already defined for it. Does this help? ftp://ftp.slackware.no/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-current/extra/intel-wlan-ipw3945/README_Slackware.TXT |
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| 15:08.23 | liable | luckily, we dont have to deal with that many people that need to unrar shit in here *yet* |
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| 15:08.42 | palestino | themill, thank u very much refik |
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| 15:09.24 | themill | palestino: hope that helps you... i can't really give you any more advice about doing things within the slackware distro... haven't used it since I was running of a pile of floppies! |
| 15:09.31 | liable | how does a slackbuild help a debian user? |
| 15:09.44 | themill | liable: he's running slack ;) just here for help. |
| 15:09.52 | xingu | liable: aversion therapy |
| 15:09.52 | palestino | themill, its ok, thank u, but tell me,why u chose debian instead slack? |
| 15:09.57 | jlc | MangosDebian: if I'm doing the initial install "manual" do I choose "physical volume for encryption" or "physical volume for LVM" |
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| 15:09.59 | liable | palestino: /j #ipw2100 |
| 15:10.11 | palestino | liable, shokran thnx |
| 15:10.14 | MangosDebian | jlc: well, do you want encryption or not? |
| 15:10.15 | jlc | if I do the former does it allow me to do lvm afterwards? |
| 15:10.21 | jlc | yes i do |
| 15:10.22 | themill | liable: apt is the main reason. |
| 15:10.34 | liable | themill: for what? |
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| 15:10.50 | themill | liable: bah... that was for palestino |
| 15:10.57 | MangosDebian | jlc: then choose it. now, do you plan on all your lvm lv's to have encryption? or only some as you see fit? |
| 15:10.57 | themill | palestino: ^^^ |
| 15:11.09 | jlc | all |
| 15:11.18 | Gnu_Raiz | anyone have hymn running on debian, or how do you handle m4p files which are songs bought off itunes. |
| 15:11.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | liable, it only sais "THIS IS NOT #ubuntu" in the subject, not "THIS IS NOT Slackware"... probably kinda invites people ;) |
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| 15:11.34 | jlc | just wasn't sure if I choose lvm if it would give me the option to encrypt it |
| 15:11.42 | palestino | themill, most time i was without using windows was with freebsd...also because of the packet manager, similar to apt -get i think |
| 15:11.55 | MangosDebian | jlc: i would pick the lvm encrypted then. you can always remove /home later and recreate it as something smaller easy enough |
| 15:11.58 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: true.... but I'm happy to help on a saturday afternoon while I've got a nice cuppa tea :) |
| 15:12.02 | Skept | MGS: xarchiver is awesome. Thanks a lot. |
| 15:12.07 | jlc | thank you |
| 15:12.14 | MangosDebian | jlc: thats what the encrypted lvm is for.np |
| 15:12.40 | MGS | skept: happy to help. Found that one using: apt-cache search bzip2 |
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| 15:13.34 | Skept | Thanks for the tip. |
| 15:13.39 | xingu | is there a way to initiate a controlled/normal gnome logout from the command line? |
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| 15:14.09 | liable | HUP? |
| 15:14.13 | liable | no |
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| 15:14.32 | Bronsky | hi ! |
| 15:14.35 | jlc | I see, or at least I think I do, after I choose "physical volume for encryption" and choose configure, it erase the slice, creates encrypted drive and then allows lvm setup. |
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| 15:15.03 | jlc | or at least that is what I'm going to assume whilst it erases the data and creates the crypted setup :) |
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| 15:16.05 | MangosDebian | jlc: ive you want my advice, I would only create a small say 1-2gig encrypted lvm for now. then later after base install allocate the rest to another hda as a pv in lvm. this way you can "properly" do the encryption |
| 15:16.20 | themill | xingu: there's probably a dbus message you can send.... (I know in KDE there's a dcop message you can send to do so) |
| 15:16.31 | MangosDebian | jlc: the encryption methods used in the installer are...weak, at best |
| 15:16.54 | cast | reason for this MangosDebian? |
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| 15:16.58 | jlc | really, I already started it |
| 15:17.01 | SeriaMau | hi |
| 15:17.07 | jlc | http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/towards-a-moderately-paranoid-debian-laptop-setup--part-1-base-system |
| 15:17.11 | xingu | themill: hmm, I'll do some digging |
| 15:17.12 | MangosDebian | jlc: zeroing a drive before storing encrypted files is a bad thing compared to say using 65 keys and sector by sector setups |
| 15:17.13 | SeriaMau | i am running etch and trying to use Gnu R |
| 15:17.15 | MangosDebian | cast: ^^ |
| 15:17.19 | SeriaMau | but help.start() does not work |
| 15:17.24 | jlc | i just found that too, so I can see i'm at least doing what I thought it would |
| 15:17.42 | cast | MangosDebian: ahh, i don't do loop-aes :) |
| 15:17.42 | massctrl | MangosDebian: hey, had to let you know that it was indeed a cable problem with my 3 ide disks, remember? |
| 15:17.49 | SeriaMau | the start page is displayed but when i click on e.g. "an introduction to R" i get an 404 |
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| 15:18.53 | SeriaMau | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.56 | MangosDebian | jlc: i think that the encryption it uses is way more than the average joe would be able to crack anyways. so its more about who your protecting against and what your protecting. if its highly valuable client data, then you may wish to use your own installer with more strict methods of initial creation with better entropy than prng's used in linux |
| 15:19.05 | SeriaMau | and /tmp/RtmpiUN6iq/.R/doc/manual/ is indeed empty |
| 15:19.28 | jlc | I just don't want my wife hacking my laptop |
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| 15:19.32 | MangosDebian | cast: ya sorry, its good enough, but its nowhere near as cool as you can get with loop-aes and the 65 key setup :) |
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| 15:19.38 | SeriaMau | r-base-html is installed |
| 15:19.48 | jlc | outside of that, not to much private data |
| 15:20.00 | MangosDebian | massctrl: was it dma error problem? or the 2 160g's? |
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| 15:20.16 | jlc | so the default is better than none, and less hastle to get it done during install |
| 15:20.18 | vinay | ndiswrapper gave me an eth1 , how do i rename that to wlan0 so NetworkManager sees it properly |
| 15:20.23 | MangosDebian | jlc: heck, xor encryption would probably keep her out, or even a bios passord :) |
| 15:20.45 | cast | my only issue with d-i's crypto is the lack of random data available for creation of the LUKS masterkey, it grabs some pkg [c*newt*entropy*?] - i'm curious as to however the d-i does things, if its good enough |
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| 15:21.22 | xs | there are a bunch of assigned uids in /etc/passwd that do not own any files (daemon,bin,sync,etc)... i'd like to remove them. is there a way to determine if any package claims them? |
| 15:21.30 | massctrl | MangosDebian: yeah that's the one, with the 2 160gs's indeed a dma problem. New cable problem fixed,... had you here on a post-it on my screen, cheers mate |
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| 15:21.43 | cast | MangosDebian: right now i think aes-lrw-benbi probably wins, but there's nothing at all wrong with aes-cbc-essiv |
| 15:21.47 | MangosDebian | cast: would almost be good idea if I actually checked out the techniques used a little more thoroughly though |
| 15:22.16 | liable | cast: good question, have you thought about asking the list? |
| 15:22.44 | juancgt | anyone familiar with the ipw2200 driver? it seems to freeze my system everytime it requests dhcp offer from the router |
| 15:22.52 | cast | liable: no! just avoid doing that in the installer...i'll google now, see whats around |
| 15:23.12 | cast | i just avoid, that is. |
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| 15:24.00 | MangosDebian | cast: honestly? I don't know if the algo used makes as much of a difference. the reason why is that I think most attacks by government/cryptanalysts probably use rainbow tables as a first attack. On that case, I think that rainbow's would be created and prioritized. Thus md5 tables are probably more thorough than say sha512. Although I would think that the tables would be started as soon as the algo is released to the public. If |
| 15:24.10 | cast | cdebconf-newt-entropy was the pkg i noticed it grabs |
| 15:24.28 | cast | MangosDebian: rainbow tables are countered with salted passwds, which luks does |
| 15:24.51 | MangosDebian | cast: very true. I forgot about that |
| 15:25.11 | cast | MangosDebian: that was a problem with cryptoloop iirc, though |
| 15:25.22 | MangosDebian | but then your just exponentially increasing its size to account for all possibly salt values |
| 15:25.46 | MangosDebian | cast: what are the salt? 2 bytes? 2^256 compbinations? |
| 15:25.56 | cast | let me look |
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| 15:26.46 | MangosDebian | cast: all im saying is some things dont matter much when you have clusters (think google) doing nothing but running every piece of data through hash tables anyways |
| 15:26.53 | cast | 32 bytes |
| 15:27.00 | MangosDebian | 32byte salt? |
| 15:27.15 | MangosDebian | damn, beats crypt/md5 :) |
| 15:27.17 | cast | yes. |
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| 15:27.40 | cast | but even 2**256 bits of salt is enough render rainbow tables unpractical |
| 15:27.56 | MangosDebian | ya |
| 15:28.01 | cast | uh...32 bytes is 256 bits. i suck. |
| 15:28.17 | MangosDebian | can't think of an attack vector against that other than to try predict the salt |
| 15:28.24 | MangosDebian | lol is it? |
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| 15:28.30 | cast | your '2 bytes? 2^256 compbinations?' confused me |
| 15:28.41 | cast | 2 bytes is 16 bits, isn't it? |
| 15:28.48 | MangosDebian | last time i checked :) |
| 15:28.57 | liable | depending on hardware |
| 15:28.57 | cast | i suppose we should say octets, then theres no confusion ever |
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| 15:29.28 | jlc | any reason why suspend/hiberante wont work on the encrypted swap? |
| 15:29.29 | MangosDebian | i meant <number of bytes>^<possible values, this case byte = 256> |
| 15:30.08 | cast | you've got the maths a bit confused i think |
| 15:30.21 | MangosDebian | jlc: well, if it used a random key each startup it wouldnt, but if not then I dont see why not |
| 15:30.22 | liable | all this encryption rocks, untill you need to fix it.. |
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| 15:30.32 | MangosDebian | liable: aye |
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| 15:31.05 | cast | liable: backups :) |
| 15:31.20 | MangosDebian | cast: crypted data, but unencrypted backups? :) |
| 15:31.29 | bluesceada | hi |
| 15:31.31 | bluesceada | is there a way to get iwlwifi and 2.6.22-rc5 running |
| 15:31.31 | liable | yes, encrypted backups must be easy |
| 15:31.33 | bluesceada | i have 2.6.22 running at the moment |
| 15:31.35 | bluesceada | but cant iwlwifi to run |
| 15:31.35 | MangosDebian | what if your private keys are lost on the crypted volume? :) |
| 15:31.37 | bluesceada | as there is no kbuild for 2.6.22 |
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| 15:31.56 | cast | well, my backups end up in a .tar.gpg on another computer |
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| 15:32.10 | MangosDebian | ya, same. can't go wrong with gpg |
| 15:32.47 | bluesceada | anyone? :( |
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| 15:33.04 | cast | bluesceada: there was in experimental last time i looked |
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| 15:33.15 | bluesceada | cast: i updated some mins ago |
| 15:33.19 | bluesceada | it isnt |
| 15:33.29 | cast | people run experimental? :o |
| 15:33.41 | bluesceada | Candidate: (none) |
| 15:33.53 | bluesceada | cast: if they want to have their hardware running ... |
| 15:34.07 | bluesceada | i mean, single packages from experimental... |
| 15:34.18 | bluesceada | i never had a problem with all recent kernels in gentoo |
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| 15:34.30 | bluesceada | in debian recent kernels are not trusted very much it seems |
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| 15:34.53 | liable | bluesceada: if you have a .22-rc5 kernel, you built it, and you should have evrything needed to build the driver |
| 15:34.55 | cast | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/linux-kbuild-2.6.22 there it is? |
| 15:35.10 | cast | uh..wait..wrong arch..i'm confused |
| 15:35.14 | bluesceada | liable: not i have linux-image-2.6.22-rc5 |
| 15:35.28 | bluesceada | s/not/no |
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| 15:35.39 | themill | bluesceada: it takes some time to knock them into shape for debian. It's a QA thing and that's what makes debian stable... |
| 15:35.42 | cast | why is there a linux-kbuild-2.6.22 with the listed arch as kfreebsd-i386? |
| 15:36.04 | bluesceada | themill: hm yeah of course, but it is made very hard to get a more recent kernel running |
| 15:36.23 | liable | bluesceada: where did you get a .22 kernel from? |
| 15:36.26 | themill | cast: I think it might be a snafu.... look at its source package |
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| 15:36.41 | liable | if you have that kernel on debain, you would have had to build it |
| 15:36.43 | bluesceada | liable: aptitude -t experimental install linux-image-2.6.22-rc5-686 ;-) |
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| 15:36.59 | bluesceada | seems not... |
| 15:37.06 | eth01 | Im running dhcpd and I get this error - Sending on - Socket/Fallback/Fallback-net |
| 15:37.17 | bluesceada | it's running at the moment .. the only problem is wlan.. |
| 15:38.06 | cast | bluesceada: do ignore everything i've said. i'm sorry. |
| 15:38.17 | bluesceada | :/ |
| 15:38.35 | jetscreamer | just d/l vanilla from kernel.org and compile it |
| 15:38.35 | liable | bluesceada: and there is no headers package for it? |
| 15:38.42 | jetscreamer | create headers |
| 15:38.48 | magyar | hi, in kmail how can i change my replys to appear above? |
| 15:38.50 | bluesceada | liable: just headers, no kbuild .. which is also needed to build iwlwifi |
| 15:39.12 | cast | magyar: #kde will have a better idea |
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| 15:39.17 | eth01 | Im running dhcpd and I get this error - Sending on - Socket/Fallback/Fallback-net |
| 15:39.23 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 15:39.24 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 15:39.39 | jetscreamer | there's more isn't there |
| 15:39.44 | magyar | cast: so far not, they keep telling me it was always bellow |
| 15:40.04 | liable | bluesceada: ok, if you use experimental, just get vannila and build it. I dont know whats going on with kbuild not being in headers, sounds stupid, but *shrug* |
| 15:40.40 | bluesceada | liable: yeh it really does .... but i dont like the idea of having it inconsistent by not having something under control of the packet manager |
| 15:40.40 | liable | i dont see why you need anything other than headers these days, but i dont use debian kernels in sid |
| 15:40.49 | bluesceada | at least i want to have as least as possible.. out of it... |
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| 15:41.20 | liable | bluesceada: thats really funny, you use experimental but dont like making a kernel.. haha |
| 15:41.31 | Supaplex | cast: re kbuild, see the list of files. it appears to be for building linux kernels, not (directly) for installing them. |
| 15:41.40 | jetscreamer | kbuild was midding in sid for a while on .21 iirc |
| 15:41.42 | bluesceada | liable: i dont have problems making one if it fits with the package system etc... |
| 15:41.43 | jetscreamer | missing |
| 15:41.43 | bluesceada | :/ |
| 15:41.57 | liable | bluesceada: thats what kpkg is for |
| 15:42.09 | bluesceada | urks.. |
| 15:42.18 | bluesceada | i kind of hate how it (dont)works |
| 15:42.28 | bluesceada | at least i cant get used to it |
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| 15:42.51 | liable | hrm, me looks at his -rc4 kernel he is using with iwl and giggles |
| 15:42.58 | bluesceada | O:o |
| 15:42.59 | bluesceada | :S |
| 15:43.12 | bluesceada | iwl isnt the problem so much |
| 15:43.17 | bluesceada | ipw3945 at least works, if ugly... |
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| 15:43.31 | bluesceada | but my card reader and that shiny hd aps sensor^^ |
| 15:43.57 | jetscreamer | it's simple: either compile your own kernel or use the stock ones, and experimental doesn't count, and expect breakage in sid sometimes |
| 15:44.16 | jetscreamer | kernel.org |
| 15:44.24 | bluesceada | i guess i just set it up "the vanilla way"... |
| 15:44.25 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg --targets |
| 15:44.32 | jetscreamer | choose build install |
| 15:44.45 | jetscreamer | (extremely simplified) |
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| 15:45.05 | acu | iceweasel quits suddenly is any bug known? |
| 15:45.09 | liable | yes |
| 15:45.14 | Supaplex | !btssmite acu |
| 15:45.40 | acu | Supaplex: I run Debian Etch |
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| 15:45.52 | liable | 16mins till tardsday, seems the clock is ruuning fast elsewhere in the world |
| 15:45.55 | jetscreamer | iceweasel hasnt' done that to me yet |
| 15:45.58 | Supaplex | acu: like dpkg says, http://bugs.debian.org/ |
| 15:45.59 | bluesceada | and what about the "linux-source-2.6.22" package? |
| 15:46.05 | jetscreamer | use it |
| 15:46.09 | jetscreamer | if you want |
| 15:46.24 | bluesceada | there is always a bug in iceweasel/firefox, it just has to be found^^ |
| 15:46.24 | jetscreamer | it's the kernel source to compile with i guess you know |
| 15:46.39 | bluesceada | so linux-source is nothing other than vanilla |
| 15:46.57 | jetscreamer | no, they say it has debian patches i 'think' but i don't know what they do |
| 15:47.02 | bluesceada | hm |
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| 15:47.05 | themill | acu: iceweasel does that. Particularly if you've been running flash-heavy or java-heavy sites for a long time. The session manager add-in is your friend. |
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| 15:48.08 | Supaplex | some of us just thrive on elinks :) |
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| 15:48.16 | themill | liable: you in Perth? |
| 15:48.43 | liable | themill: yup |
| 15:48.43 | bluesceada | good i take the kernel.org one then |
| 15:48.56 | themill | liable: trying to work out where it would be that time :) (Aussie expat in UK) |
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| 15:49.23 | liable | themill: you poor bastard :P |
| 15:49.39 | themill | liable: hey.. it's summer atm. Not that you'd know it.... |
| 15:50.16 | Supaplex | cast: I tried that, and view, but apparently piping from stdin appears like keyboard input :( |
| 15:50.26 | acu | other box quits the session (KDE) unexpectedly and gets me to login - can I see what went wrong ? |
| 15:50.52 | themill | acu: ~/.xsession-errors |
| 15:51.12 | cast | Supaplex: well w|vim - just worked |
| 15:51.25 | Supaplex | cast: ohhh.. clever. :) |
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| 15:54.42 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 15:54.42 | dpkg | < bouncing> This is not a Debian question, but you guys probably use Thinkpads... :) Can I take apart a thinkpad screen and literally remove an insect? < greycat> hahaha |
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| 15:55.50 | liable | we should have a greycat rememberance day, except he would probably turn up and make fun of us |
| 15:56.19 | Noborusan | I met a very strange problem |
| 15:56.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh |
| 15:56.36 | Noborusan | i cannot login as a normal user ,im sure the pass is correct |
| 15:56.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | " Malformed 3rd word in the Status line" as an error message from aptitude // apt-get - any ideas? |
| 15:56.47 | cast | and the logs say? |
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| 15:57.07 | Noborusan | even i just login as root then passwd thatuser,log out then try to log back in with that account,same |
| 15:57.07 | cast | [re: Noborusan] |
| 15:57.34 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: that means that /var/lib/dpkg/status has gotten screwed up or corrupted. Either fix it or restore it from a backup in /var/backups/ |
| 15:57.41 | Noborusan | i just installed fail2ban,and i just installed directadmin panel,nothing else |
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| 15:58.01 | dondelelcaro | Noborusan: are you loging in at the console or via ssh? |
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| 15:58.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, can I use /var/lib/dpkg/status-old? |
| 15:58.29 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: you can try |
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| 15:59.38 | Noborusan | via ssh |
| 15:59.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, ok, thx, that worked - is there a difference between aptitude update and apt-get update? |
| 15:59.56 | Noborusan | it says Jul 21 23:55:52 server sshd[2790]: User xxxx from 211.95.176.233 not allowed because not listed |
| 15:59.56 | Noborusan | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.25 | Noborusan | strange |
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| 16:01.03 | Noborusan | dondelelcaro, via ssh. |
| 16:01.30 | Noborusan | says invalid user |
| 16:01.33 | Noborusan | hmm |
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| 16:04.23 | Noborusan | any idea ? |
| 16:05.17 | dondelelcaro | Noborusan: you've altered your sshd.conf to only allow specific users using the AllowUsers directive. |
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| 16:05.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, congratulations... I think you're the first to answer a real question for me in #debian :) I normally just joined for interest and answered some things sometimes.. but yeah, this was factor 50 faster than google wouldhave been *g* so, many thanks |
| 16:05.43 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: np; and no, there's really no difference between aptitude update and apt-get update |
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| 16:06.08 | Noborusan | dondelelcaro, i didn't do it by myself though |
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| 16:06.46 | Noborusan | locate sshd.conf |
| 16:06.46 | Noborusan | /etc/fail2ban/filter.d/sshd.conf |
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| 16:07.08 | dondelelcaro | Noborusan: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 16:07.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Noborusan, but that user wasnt root, was it? |
| 16:07.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Noborusan, that "xxx" |
| 16:08.00 | Noborusan | that xxx is a normal user account |
| 16:08.34 | Noborusan | maybe after zlib is recompiled during Directadmin installation, sshd.conf has been changed hmmm |
| 16:08.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok.. just because of "PermitRootLogin no" (which is a good idea) |
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| 16:09.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Noborusan, also check /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny |
| 16:09.17 | Noborusan | let me check |
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| 16:09.28 | dondelelcaro | I've no clue what directadmin is; since it's not a Debian package, the damage that it's done to your system is unknowable |
| 16:10.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 16:10.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | "directadmin" == IT is administrating the system now, not you |
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| 16:11.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | BOFH program :) |
| 16:11.12 | Noborusan | i checked /etc/sshd_config, |
| 16:11.23 | Noborusan | AllowUsers root |
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| 16:11.31 | Noborusan | AllowUsers admin |
| 16:11.42 | Noborusan | i didn't have this admin,nor i have created this one before |
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| 16:11.58 | Noborusan | this 'admin' was created by Directadmin,its the admin in this panel |
| 16:12.12 | Noborusan | so yeah CutMeOwnThroat ,you are very right, directadmin changed something |
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| 16:14.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Noborusan, I dont have any AllowUsers statements... guess you dont need them |
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| 16:15.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | also guess you shouldnt have them |
| 16:15.16 | Noborusan | hmm,maybe DirectAdmin need them |
| 16:15.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | remove them |
| 16:15.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | they only allow "admin" and "root" to ssh into the box, i guess |
| 16:15.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | which is stupid |
| 16:16.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | as root shouldnt be allowed to ssh into the machine directly |
| 16:16.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | it should always be ssh->user->su->root |
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| 16:17.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | if there's any "denyuser", remove that also |
| 16:17.15 | dondelelcaro | Noborusan: yeah, the fact that a panel software did that should set the claxxons of; odds are they're totally clueless about how to actually administer a machine |
| 16:17.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 16:17.51 | Noborusan | hmm |
| 16:17.55 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: claxxons? |
| 16:18.18 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: alarm bells |
| 16:18.25 | Supaplex | woop. my bad. |
| 16:18.33 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: well I know what you meant, but wtf is a claxxon? |
| 16:18.42 | Supaplex | I might need that still. :) |
| 16:18.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | AllowUsers This keyword can be followed by a list of user name patterns, separated by spaces. If specified, login is allowed only for user names that match one of the patterns. |
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| 16:19.28 | MangosDebian | Supaplex: ? |
| 16:19.37 | MangosDebian | hey! |
| 16:19.40 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: claxon is it spelled correctly |
| 16:19.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is no way a software could NEEDthat |
| 16:19.45 | dondelelcaro | (or perhaps klaxon) |
| 16:19.49 | Supaplex | MangosDebian: my clamav is outta date ;`( heh. |
| 16:19.58 | MangosDebian | fine, il google it then :p |
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| 16:20.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex, thanks, I'm at breakfast |
| 16:20.29 | Supaplex | yw :P |
| 16:20.31 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: ahhh :) |
| 16:20.38 | pumpkin0 | i'm searching for older, pre-stable etch packages. There are several packages in etch with serious problemes that can by solved with a simple dowgrade. Any points ? |
| 16:20.48 | MangosDebian | CutMeOwnThroat: the nerve of some people huh |
| 16:20.54 | Supaplex | !tell pumpkin0 -about snapshots |
| 16:20.59 | dondelelcaro | not sure why the dictionary thinks it's a car horn; here it's what the stupid alarm bells and alarm horns are called for fire alarms |
| 16:21.12 | pumpkin0 | Supaplex: thanks. |
| 16:21.20 | Supaplex | np |
| 16:21.46 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: klaxons on wikipedia says from greek verb klazo, meaning "to shriek", most commonly refers to air-raid sirens or other warning devices |
| 16:22.07 | runev | if i plug in my cellphone through a usb wire, how can i find out what device the memory card sets itself on? |
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| 16:22.40 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: right |
| 16:22.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, funny, first time I see a single process use 180% CPU |
| 16:23.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, nice... 200% now |
| 16:23.13 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 16:23.18 | Maakuth | 100%=one cpu core |
| 16:23.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 16:23.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | i know |
| 16:23.24 | MangosDebian | ah |
| 16:23.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | it must be using threads |
| 16:23.34 | portager | hello, whats the best way to configure the sound fn keys on my laptop |
| 16:23.37 | portager | with debian etch |
| 16:23.38 | Maakuth | breaking news :) |
| 16:23.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it must be possible to distribute them among the CPUs... |
| 16:24.02 | Maakuth | it certainly is |
| 16:24.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I just said I've never seen it before... |
| 16:24.31 | MangosDebian | CutMeOwnThroat: so the same pid is using 100% of both cpus? |
| 16:24.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | processes might spawn a 2nd one and each use up 99% or so, but one process with 200% - never seen that |
| 16:24.43 | MangosDebian | err cores |
| 16:24.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | MangosDebian, yes |
| 16:25.59 | MangosDebian | CutMeOwnThroat: almost seems like core's dont have the same distinction as say seperate cpu's. kinda seems to make sense though since one core locking up would affect the whole cpu |
| 16:26.31 | Maakuth | uh... it's the same with distinct physical cpus |
| 16:26.32 | MangosDebian | a core only benifits certain stuff yes? |
| 16:26.38 | dondelelcaro | cores are fairly separate cpus, though they may share cache |
| 16:26.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | MangosDebian, all I know 2 cores are just used the same as 2 CPUs... no difference |
| 16:26.52 | Maakuth | it really isn't that hard run separate threads on separate cpus.. that's why programs are threaded |
| 16:26.54 | MangosDebian | nm, im thinking hyper threading I think |
| 16:27.06 | MangosDebian | or is that what this is? |
| 16:27.20 | xand | not really |
| 16:27.24 | Maakuth | since on uniprocessor machines separate threads can't run at the same time anyway |
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| 16:28.01 | xand | MangosDebian: dual core can be taken advantage of by anything.... different stuff runs on each core |
| 16:28.22 | MangosDebian | but HT isnt dual core though correct? |
| 16:28.25 | xand | one pid can contain multiple threads |
| 16:28.28 | xand | correct |
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| 16:28.40 | |splat|g4 | is there a guide somewhere on the steps needed to upgrade your system from a 2.4 kernel to a 2.6 kernel? |
| 16:28.44 | Maakuth | i guess that hyper threded cpus appear as two separate cpus to operating system, though |
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| 16:28.54 | MangosDebian | ok, just making sure. I was thinking it was like HT for a sec where its not really 2 seperate cpu's, only for certain functions |
| 16:29.49 | MangosDebian | xand: 1 pid can be 2+ threads? I thought threads were pid's on linux? |
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| 16:30.14 | Maakuth | xand, actually, i think, that in linux there can only be one thread per pid.. |
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| 16:31.14 | Maakuth | press 'H' in top, and you'll see separate threads and their corresponding pids |
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| 16:31.38 | cyzie | what are the options to compress a avi ? |
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| 16:32.01 | Maakuth | cyzie, you mean, different codecs, or programs, or what? |
| 16:32.31 | cyzie | codecs or program because i ahve video that need to be compress, preferably in cli |
| 16:32.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Maakuth, well, one PID must be able to have more than one thread... because one PID was using 200% CPU... that's what was amazing me |
| 16:32.50 | Maakuth | cyzie, mencoder is what you want |
| 16:33.13 | cyzie | mmm. ok, any other suggestions? |
| 16:33.22 | Maakuth | cyzie, nope |
| 16:33.43 | Maakuth | CutMeOwnThroat, in top's default view every program shows as one process |
| 16:33.47 | pumpkin0 | after checking libcurl3, curlftpfs, squashfs,.. the basic approach to get a working etch is to install lenny, right ? |
| 16:34.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Maakuth, ah, ok... didnt see that with 'H' the first time... that explains it |
| 16:34.11 | dondelelcaro | pumpkin0: eh? |
| 16:34.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Maakuth, this was just what was baffeling me :) |
| 16:34.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Maakuth, apparently one program, one PID, but 200% CPU |
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| 16:35.19 | pumpkin0 | dondelelcaro: in etch libcurl3 causes a bug in curlftpfs. downgrading libcurl fixes it (but removes openofface and apt-spy). Upgrading curlftpfs fixes it too (but installs a lenny-package). |
| 16:35.31 | Maakuth | hmmh.. maybe there's a way to have multiple threads in one pid then |
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| 16:36.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Maakuth, no, you were right... it was just tops way of displaying it... |
| 16:36.32 | pumpkin0 | dondelelcaro: same thing with squashfs. You cannot compile the etch-version on arm. You could compile it if you use a older kernel or older gcc or newer squashfs or newer gcc. But the combo in etch is unuseable. |
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| 16:36.46 | MangosDebian | CutMeOwnThroat: got a pastebin? |
| 16:36.48 | B1ST | hi, i just installed debian, i need rar, but he doesn't know anything about rar, i mean apt-get install rar doesn't work, anyone plz? |
| 16:36.50 | Maakuth | CutMeOwnThroat, oh, okay |
| 16:36.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Maakuth, just hadnt encountered that ever before.... |
| 16:37.24 | Maakuth | B1ST, it's in non-free repository |
| 16:37.36 | B1ST | i have to pay for it? :o |
| 16:37.46 | Maakuth | B1ST, nope, "free" as in freedom |
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| 16:38.01 | Skyrail | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.05 | dondelelcaro | pumpkin0: could be; no one has filed bugs about that though... |
| 16:38.07 | B1ST | i have to install it with dselect? |
| 16:38.14 | Maakuth | it's not compatible with debian's free software guidelines.. closed source or too restrictive license or something |
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| 16:38.23 | dondelelcaro | pumpkin0: so it's not terrpbily surprising that it's borken |
| 16:38.30 | cast | !tell Skyrail about anyone |
| 16:38.42 | Maakuth | B1ST, you have to enable non-free repository in your sources.list |
| 16:38.47 | B1ST | ah |
| 16:38.48 | B1ST | ok |
| 16:38.49 | B1ST | tnx |
| 16:38.55 | pumpkin0 | dondelelcaro: i found the libcurl-thing on the bts, i'm writting the squashfs-report right now ? |
| 16:38.57 | Skyrail | cast: thanks I had seen that before, but I forgot |
| 16:38.57 | SmartUnix | Hi, if i have a programe installed from .deb file, then i decide to install the new version of same programe from source, what will happen with the old one (which installed from .deb)? should i remove it manually? |
| 16:39.02 | SmartUnix | sorry for my English |
| 16:39.20 | Maakuth | SmartUnix, you should, yes |
| 16:39.52 | Maakuth | SmartUnix, preferably install it with checkinstall, so it integrates neatly |
| 16:40.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... if that works... |
| 16:40.29 | SmartUnix | Maakuth, otherwise i will have two installed version of the programme? |
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| 16:40.47 | cast | Maakuth: i heard checkinstall had some issues |
| 16:40.50 | Maakuth | SmartUnix, nope, you should remove the old version |
| 16:41.03 | Maakuth | cast, that's true, but it's worth trying |
| 16:41.13 | Skyrail | I installed Debian off my first linux parition on the harddisc. I did this to save me using a disc to install it. I've used the net install as this is the smaller package and made it easier to download. However now I've downloaded it and installed it I want to install the gcc and g++ packages. However when I try to do that it asks me to put the disc into the cd-drive. The problem however is that I installed Debian off the hard disc and so I don't have the |
| 16:41.21 | SmartUnix | Maakuth, Thank you :) |
| 16:41.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | SmartUnix, no,it might become partially overwritten... or completely... or not at all... so you COULD have 2 versions, but you can also get a mess :) |
| 16:42.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Skyrail, just edit /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 16:42.08 | SmartUnix | CutMeOwnThroat, so i should remove the old one firstly then install the new one? |
| 16:42.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | SmartUnix, thats what Maakuth said above :) |
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| 16:42.45 | SmartUnix | CutMeOwnThroat, my English is bad :( |
| 16:42.55 | Skyrail | CutMeOwnThroat: I've installed programs fine using apt on this installation before so the sources are there... |
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| 16:43.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Skyrail, well, but you probably have a line saying you can install fom CD... |
| 16:43.19 | jetscreamer | Skyrail: comment out the cd line in sources.list |
| 16:43.27 | jetscreamer | do apt-get update |
| 16:43.30 | cast | Skyrail: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, remove the cdrom and just have http sources, aptitude update, aptitude install build-essential is what i'd try :> |
| 16:43.30 | jetscreamer | install something |
| 16:43.40 | jetscreamer | aptitude yeah not apt-get |
| 16:43.48 | jetscreamer | (not that i use aptitude) |
| 16:43.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 16:44.00 | Skyrail | I see, yes I've just commented it out, I'll see what happens now, thanks people |
| 16:44.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-getitude :) |
| 16:44.17 | cast | dapt-getitudelect |
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| 16:44.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | aptilect |
| 16:44.40 | blubberdiblub | *giggle* |
| 16:44.43 | Noborusan | after doing useradd xxx, it will create /home/xxx ? |
| 16:44.45 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 16:45.04 | MangosDebian | Noborusan: now that has got to be the lazyiest way to hide pr0n ive ever seen |
| 16:45.25 | MangosDebian | s/way/attempt/ |
| 16:45.27 | Noborusan | strange is,whatever now i do useradd whatever, i cannot use whatever to login in ssh |
| 16:45.37 | Skyrail | Oh not again, erm, apt can't get a lock on the administration directory as another program is using it, but it isn't I just stopped apt in the middle of a install before |
| 16:45.47 | MangosDebian | Noborusan: whats the error when you ssh? |
| 16:46.06 | cast | Noborusan: did you add to or delete that allowusers sshd line? |
| 16:46.14 | MangosDebian | Skyrail: did you ctrl-z an install by chance? |
| 16:46.15 | Noborusan | but i have to create user in DirectAdmin,therefor, the account created here cannot even do ls /home |
| 16:46.26 | Noborusan | MangosDebian, says access denied |
| 16:46.37 | Noborusan | cast, i didn't |
| 16:46.38 | Skyrail | MangosDebian: it relates to my other problem of the disc thing I needed to cancel it somehow >.> |
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| 16:46.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Noborusan, well... so what do you ask? |
| 16:47.05 | cast | Skyrail: ps aux|grep apt, or grep dpkg, i'm not sure, try to find what it is :) |
| 16:47.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Noborusan, if you didnt do that, it's no wonder... |
| 16:47.07 | MangosDebian | Skyrail: possible it left a lock file around then in /var? |
| 16:47.12 | cast | Skyrail: lsof is handy if you have it |
| 16:47.15 | Noborusan | cast, but i notice if i add user in Directadmin,it will auto add a line in /etc/sshd_config at the bottle AllowUser whatevericreate |
| 16:47.31 | Skyrail | cast: erm, I don't know that much about linux =( |
| 16:47.35 | Greyscale | Right, I need to rename a machine |
| 16:47.37 | Greyscale | how can I do this? |
| 16:47.42 | Greyscale | it is currently filer-alpha |
| 16:47.47 | Greyscale | and needs to be renamed filer-beta |
| 16:47.54 | MangosDebian | Greyscale: vim /etc/hostname? |
| 16:47.56 | Greyscale | (its a disk clone of filer-alpha) |
| 16:47.57 | Noborusan | CutMeOwnThroat, i mean,by default we do not have to manually edit sshd_config after add an user and this account can access to system via ssh no problem ? |
| 16:48.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | cast, apparently some program that enabels you to enjoy microsoft-type problems on a debian machine :) |
| 16:48.05 | Greyscale | is that all, MangosDebian? |
| 16:48.17 | MangosDebian | Greyscale: depends on your setup, but thats a start |
| 16:48.17 | Greyscale | I'd rather not have to spend ages reimaging it |
| 16:48.22 | cast | Skyrail: woo. necessity is the fastest motivator to learn |
| 16:48.23 | Greyscale | its a stock install of debian |
| 16:48.37 | Skyrail | cast: point taken |
| 16:48.39 | Greyscale | do I edit /etc/hosts? |
| 16:48.48 | cast | Skyrail: like MangosDebian mentioned, either theres a lockfile that didn't get removed, or there's a program still open somewhere |
| 16:48.52 | MangosDebian | Greyscale: is that host name in there as well? |
| 16:49.08 | MangosDebian | Greyscale: theres also dns to consider from bind, but then thats not stock |
| 16:49.18 | Greyscale | no, no bind installed |
| 16:49.44 | cast | Skyrail: ps aux will list all running programs, ps aux | grep apt will print any line with apt in it, and filter out the rest |
| 16:49.45 | Skyrail | cast: can I just remove that file then? |
| 16:50.06 | Greyscale | here goes nothing.. |
| 16:50.28 | cast | Skyrail: that depends. if you have aptitude or apt-get somewhere doing something that would be a bad idea |
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| 16:50.36 | MangosDebian | Greyscale: hostname probably all you need. But you know your setup, not us |
| 16:50.46 | Skyrail | cast: I don't I forced apt to stop what it was doing using ctrl+z |
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| 16:51.08 | cast | Skyrail: thats not stop, thats sleep |
| 16:51.14 | Greyscale | MangosDebian, it really was a clean, stock install |
| 16:51.23 | Greyscale | it seems to be ok... |
| 16:51.29 | cast | Skyrail: apt-whatever is still running, type fg in the shell you hit ctrl-z in to bring it back |
| 16:51.33 | Skyrail | cast: oh >.> ok |
| 16:51.40 | cast | Skyrail: C-c is kill :) |
| 16:51.55 | Greyscale | yay, it worked |
| 16:52.03 | MangosDebian | Greyscale: the problem with stock install is theres about 10 different flavours of one |
| 16:52.20 | Skyrail | cast: got it thanks :) |
| 16:52.26 | MangosDebian | expert vs install, tasksel defaults vs. no tasks etc |
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| 16:52.52 | MangosDebian | expert does empty interfaces for example |
| 16:53.16 | Greyscale | bwah? expert install? |
| 16:53.22 | Skyrail | Done thanks once again =) |
| 16:53.23 | Greyscale | I was just using the netinstaller O_o |
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| 16:53.51 | MangosDebian | Greyscale: netinstaller just determines where you get the files, the installer still has a normal and expert mode |
| 16:54.06 | Greyscale | O_o |
| 16:54.10 | MangosDebian | so again I say, 10 diff flavours of stock install :) |
| 16:54.10 | Greyscale | never noticed |
| 16:54.14 | cast | Skyrail: since its early in the game...don't forget to use aptitude install instead of apt-get install, people telling you the later are just stuck in old habits, or mayhap sid users |
| 16:54.44 | MangosDebian | Greyscale: ya, i found out the hard way a start to finish expert install doesnt have the same tasks and such and really is a tad different than normal :) |
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| 16:55.19 | Greyscale | argh, run out of memory on my vmware server |
| 16:55.34 | MangosDebian | how? |
| 16:55.44 | Greyscale | Its only got 1GB |
| 16:55.54 | MangosDebian | debian only needs like 32mb to install or something tiny |
| 16:55.55 | Greyscale | and 5VM's |
| 16:56.02 | Greyscale | 3 of which are windows |
| 16:56.05 | Greyscale | no, 6 VM's |
| 16:56.23 | Greyscale | Not bad for someone who has no money :) |
| 16:56.25 | cast | lol @ 3 copies of windows running. 3x the pain? |
| 16:56.30 | Greyscale | yep. |
| 16:56.37 | Greyscale | Win 2k, Win XP and win 2k3 server |
| 16:56.40 | MangosDebian | ya, there's your problem there :) |
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| 16:56.54 | MangosDebian | at least get 2gig in the host |
| 16:57.03 | Greyscale | I want to |
| 16:57.14 | Greyscale | I just can't afford it |
| 16:57.14 | Greyscale | Oh: And its PC-133 :P |
| 16:57.14 | MangosDebian | why not? |
| 16:57.18 | Greyscale | on a pentium 4 |
| 16:57.26 | Greyscale | because I'm a student |
| 16:57.33 | Greyscale | I just happen to like tinkering with stuff |
| 16:57.36 | Greyscale | <-- is 17. |
| 16:57.42 | MangosDebian | and you press |
| 16:57.43 | MangosDebian | enter |
| 16:57.44 | MangosDebian | too |
| 16:57.45 | MangosDebian | much |
| 16:57.48 | Greyscale | I know |
| 16:58.02 | cast | Greyscale: opensolaris sxce is a fun, funner than windows if you must tinker imho |
| 16:58.10 | Maakuth | i think virtual machines are the way to go if you must run windows |
| 16:58.13 | MangosDebian | irc isnt a race boy. Settle down before you kill yourself |
| 16:58.14 | Greyscale | eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek |
| 16:58.15 | Greyscale | solaris |
| 16:58.25 | Greyscale | I should atleast try it |
| 16:58.44 | nvz | needs an i2c shock module with a kernel driver that jolts him when he presses enter without completing a thought |
| 16:58.47 | Greyscale | I've been meaning to try a variety of things, including gentoo, slackware, PC-BSD, freebsd and some other bumpf |
| 16:59.04 | cast | if you don't at least become fond of zfs you are not my friend. |
| 16:59.04 | MangosDebian | Maakuth: god knows its easier to use vmware in windows than linux |
| 16:59.05 | Greyscale | I used to have an x20 |
| 16:59.22 | Greyscale | it'd give you electric shocks if you put your arms on the corners where the plastic wore down |
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| 16:59.43 | Greyscale | MangosDebian, actually, its a debian host |
| 16:59.47 | liable | good time to go to bed me thinks |
| 16:59.57 | Greyscale | running 2 debian vm's, one ubuntu vm and a trio of windows vms |
| 17:00.00 | Maakuth | MangosDebian, well, i wouldn't say so |
| 17:00.08 | liable | !pal nvz |
| 17:00.14 | delliott | cast, what does aptitude offer that apt-get does not? |
| 17:00.29 | Skyrail | cast: erm ok, I'll try to break that habbit :/ just read about why aptitude and why not :P |
| 17:00.31 | Greyscale | better dependancy handling |
| 17:00.31 | MangosDebian | Maakuth: I would. Windows -> double click install, wait, type in serial, start using. Whats the linux procedure? |
| 17:00.42 | Greyscale | and if you just do "aptitude", you get a ncurses (I think) interface |
| 17:00.50 | liable | nvz: boot a live cd and life will be good |
| 17:00.53 | Skyrail | Ask dpkg, I did :D |
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| 17:01.00 | MangosDebian | aint no recompiling windows kernels or modprobing dll's :) |
| 17:01.04 | Greyscale | magic_pinguim, untar, run installer script |
| 17:01.13 | Maakuth | MangosDebian, alien vmware*.rpm && sudo dpkg -i vmware*.deb && sudo vmware-config.pl |
| 17:01.16 | Greyscale | oh, and it asks for a kernel |
| 17:01.21 | Greyscale | AIEEEEE ALIEN |
| 17:01.27 | Greyscale | evil evil |
| 17:01.30 | nvz | liable: I CAN'T D/L It! |
| 17:01.32 | Greyscale | use the tar, you plebian |
| 17:01.40 | nvz | liable: heh thats what I am trying to do d/l a debian live cd |
| 17:01.41 | MangosDebian | eww, they only have an rpm of it? |
| 17:01.48 | Greyscale | no, there is a tar too |
| 17:02.01 | Greyscale | thats my choice of install anywya |
| 17:02.03 | Maakuth | there is a tarball available too |
| 17:02.09 | MangosDebian | makes sense, the vmware tools are rpm and tar so... |
| 17:02.15 | nvz | fucker keeps stalling on me |
| 17:02.19 | Maakuth | it doesn't hurt to have it integrated in package management |
| 17:02.32 | liable | nvz: huh? you dont own a livecd already? |
| 17:02.40 | Greyscale | apt-get install xserver-xorg psmisc build-essential *some headers*; tar -xvvzf VMware*.tar; cd VM*; ./install.sh |
| 17:02.43 | nvz | liable: hell no |
| 17:02.50 | Greyscale | nvz, send for the ubuntu one |
| 17:02.54 | Greyscale | its great for avoiding vista |
| 17:02.56 | Greyscale | or fixing things |
| 17:02.59 | nvz | liable: I don't even have removable media on my desktop |
| 17:03.03 | xand | =o.o= |
| 17:03.05 | liable | nvz: you lose |
| 17:03.09 | Greyscale | I use it for setting up a temporary FTPd so I can pull stuff of a dead machine |
| 17:03.28 | MangosDebian | does vmware in linux require kernel source and a partially built kernel to insmod itself into as well like with the vmware tools? |
| 17:03.35 | nvz | Greyscale: I'm not trying to do either, I'm just trying to demonstrate debian for a client that has no choice but to buy a new copy of windows for like $200 or use debian |
| 17:03.45 | Maakuth | MangosDebian, just the kernel headers |
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| 17:03.58 | Greyscale | nvz, what the hell |
| 17:04.05 | Greyscale | plug the laptop into the ethernet |
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| 17:04.07 | Greyscale | stop using wifi |
| 17:04.11 | Greyscale | use FTP to get the image |
| 17:04.19 | xand | eww ftp |
| 17:04.21 | Greyscale | you can download some of it, it fails, resume |
| 17:04.24 | MangosDebian | Maakuth: well, that doesnt sounds too bad then. I know the tools are a pita to get setup on fresh install |
| 17:04.34 | liable | nvz: your not doing a very good job :P |
| 17:04.34 | Greyscale | xand, yes, yes, scp is supirior, etc |
| 17:04.44 | Maakuth | MangosDebian, it's just a matter of apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 17:04.48 | cast | delliott: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2004-04/3181.html |
| 17:05.03 | delliott | cast, thanks |
| 17:05.22 | MangosDebian | Maakuth: ill have to try that. I always grab the kernel source and make oldconfig and point it there |
| 17:05.22 | nvz | bah the d/l should be done in about 10 min i'm at 53% now |
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| 17:05.40 | Maakuth | MangosDebian, how cute :) |
| 17:05.56 | MangosDebian | Maakuth: :) rude goldbergish? |
| 17:06.02 | Greyscale | O_o |
| 17:06.06 | xand | Greyscale: rsync @) |
| 17:06.22 | Greyscale | xand, too clumbsy |
| 17:06.23 | Maakuth | a little, yeah.. i have to admit, though, that i did it just that way myself at first |
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| 17:06.35 | xand | Greyscale: eh? |
| 17:06.46 | Greyscale | I prefer to use gftp (even if it is a bit crap) to FTP things, if I must |
| 17:06.56 | Greyscale | I like to keep a copy of things on my filer anyway |
| 17:07.07 | MangosDebian | Maakuth: well, normally i get the kernel sources and start patching and tweaking anyways. Never really had to do it on a virgin debian kernel before with vmware til that time |
| 17:07.09 | Greyscale | Fun; looks like I'm going to be aquiring a new vmware server |
| 17:07.11 | xand | your filer? rsync is easy |
| 17:07.19 | Greyscale | 1GB of ram, 2800+ |
| 17:07.31 | Greyscale | filer is the name for my fileserver |
| 17:07.33 | xand | fileserver? |
| 17:07.35 | xand | I see |
| 17:07.42 | xand | boring name :D |
| 17:07.47 | Greyscale | It'll also have 500GB of disk |
| 17:07.56 | Greyscale | xand, I ran out of charicters from User friendly. |
| 17:07.59 | Greyscale | sid is the vmware host |
| 17:08.01 | Maakuth | MangosDebian, yeah.. but there's certain comfort and easiness in using stock kernel |
| 17:08.05 | Greyscale | illiad is a router |
| 17:08.12 | Greyscale | erwin is another router (SGI blue) |
| 17:08.23 | Greyscale | steph is my evil, evil modem |
| 17:08.27 | xand | o.O |
| 17:08.30 | Greyscale | erm, thats it |
| 17:09.07 | Antharist | /var/spool/postfix/incoming is for incoming mails. What under /var/spool/postfix/* is for outgoing mails? |
| 17:09.18 | Maakuth | i use captain haddock's (of tintin fame) curses' finnish translations to name my machines |
| 17:09.28 | MangosDebian | Maakuth: im starting to see that now. I used to always go grab a vanilla kernel and tweak the heck out of it. Lately ive been trying to stick with the "debian way" of doing things. I kinda like it. Never used initrd's either, but they are handy I must admit. Still not very good with m-a and dpatch edit's and stuff though |
| 17:09.41 | nvz | would PC2100 work on a machine that is designed to use PC2700/PC3200 |
| 17:09.49 | xand | mine are mainly planets |
| 17:10.05 | Maakuth | xand, boo-ooring |
| 17:10.16 | xand | pfft. |
| 17:10.33 | MangosDebian | xand: bah you mean your supposed to name them after cooler stuff than your SIN numbers and bank account numbers? :) |
| 17:10.35 | Maakuth | and there's not enough planets, anyway :) |
| 17:10.37 | zinx | nvz: not typically |
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| 17:10.50 | zinx | nvz: but PC2700/PC3200 will usually work on PC2100 |
| 17:10.53 | xand | MangosDebian: SIN numbers? |
| 17:11.06 | MangosDebian | xand: sorry, you must be american, SSN to you |
| 17:11.11 | xand | SSN? |
| 17:11.15 | zinx | nvz: same goes for DDR2 - that even has RAM that no motherboard can take full advantage of yet, though :) |
| 17:11.15 | Maakuth | well.. fictional and unnamed planets aside anyway |
| 17:11.16 | peter___ | is there multiplayer for pbroom? :) |
| 17:11.16 | xand | no I'm not american |
| 17:11.16 | MangosDebian | lol |
| 17:11.18 | Greyscale | bah, wierd things happened to the cloned machine |
| 17:11.21 | xand | !spank MangosDebian |
| 17:11.24 | Greyscale | I need to install it manually |
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| 17:11.35 | Greyscale | kinky |
| 17:11.41 | xand | :) |
| 17:11.57 | magyar | is there a way to remove dupes from a maildir? |
| 17:12.07 | magic_pinguim | Greyscale i'm sorry?! |
| 17:12.09 | MangosDebian | xand: well, whatever unique number your government assigns you :p |
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| 17:12.24 | Greyscale | magic_pinguim, whut? |
| 17:12.24 | nvz | zinx: the machine I am working on has a dead board and I think its PC2100 266MHZ ram and the only socket 478 board I see at compusa says it uses 333/400mhz ram I wasn't sure |
| 17:12.42 | MangosDebian | magyar: exect dupes but diff filenames? |
| 17:12.43 | Greyscale | nvz, it'll be fine |
| 17:12.45 | xand | MangosDebian: probably NINO but they're not used for everything like SSNs are |
| 17:12.47 | zinx | nvz: the ones at compusa are generally newer |
| 17:12.53 | xand | and i certainly dont know what mine is |
| 17:12.57 | zinx | nvz: if it has PC2100 in it, it should work with it |
| 17:12.59 | magic_pinguim | [18:01:05] <Greyscale> magic_pinguim, untar, run installer script |
| 17:13.01 | MangosDebian | xand: wtf is a NINO? |
| 17:13.08 | zinx | nvz: i mean, unless the thing never worked :) |
| 17:13.10 | magic_pinguim | i just thinking to myself why you say that :x |
| 17:13.12 | xand | national insurance number |
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| 17:13.20 | Noborusan | which command to check what packages to be kept back ? |
| 17:13.22 | xand | dunno why it's called that ;) |
| 17:13.23 | MangosDebian | ahhh |
| 17:13.24 | zinx | nvz: good luck with the troubleshooting |
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| 17:13.39 | MangosDebian | xand: Social Insurance Number |
| 17:13.48 | MangosDebian | Canadian |
| 17:13.56 | xand | I don't see what it's got to do with insurance |
| 17:14.05 | magyar | MangosDebian: hmm good question |
| 17:14.06 | MangosDebian | no idea |
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| 17:14.09 | nvz | zinx: well I know compusa is newer but I've already spent like 3 weeks diagnosing and trying to refurb hist $250 out-of-production HP mobo and failed.. so I want to get him a new barebone system ASAP and going to comusa is quicker than ordering |
| 17:14.26 | zinx | nvz: ah |
| 17:14.37 | MangosDebian | magyar: md5sum * | sort | less, any dupes? |
| 17:14.42 | xand | only thing I can see it's used for is tax :| |
| 17:14.42 | nvz | zinx: and since they still have 478 boards for not much more than I can order them for (like$58 when I can ordder for like $40 + shipping) |
| 17:14.47 | Greyscale | magic_pinguim, oops, a case of ma[tab], sorry! |
| 17:14.51 | zinx | nvz: PC2100 will probably fail to work on a board/cpu that's for PC2700 |
| 17:15.03 | Greyscale | O_o |
| 17:15.05 | Greyscale | Since when? |
| 17:15.11 | Greyscale | They just slow down |
| 17:15.17 | Greyscale | and run sub-optimally |
| 17:15.21 | zinx | o_O |
| 17:15.23 | xand | Greyscale: that's the other way round |
| 17:15.33 | Greyscale | slow ram makes a slow system |
| 17:15.38 | magic_pinguim | Greyscale that ok :) |
| 17:15.44 | zinx | i'll have to admit i've never tried it |
| 17:15.51 | nvz | zinx: looks like the board I am looking at wont support his CPU either so.. it seems to only support 64bit |
| 17:15.51 | Greyscale | It works fine o_O |
| 17:15.52 | MangosDebian | Greyscale: ? |
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| 17:16.07 | zinx | nvz: yeah, you may try ebay or something for a compatible board |
| 17:16.10 | Greyscale | I have a machine for PC3200 that runs dandy on PC2100 |
| 17:16.29 | zinx | Greyscale: a lot of them support multiple speeds, and list the top |
| 17:16.30 | pumpkin0 | Is it OK to report a bug in debians own bts if where is already one filed against a package on bugzilla ? |
| 17:16.42 | nvz | zinx: well I know where to get a board.. I'm just trying to find him an option at the local store if time is more important than money |
| 17:17.00 | zinx | nvz: ah |
| 17:17.12 | MangosDebian | cast: cli music player? ouch |
| 17:17.13 | zinx | nvz: you may end up buying a lot more if time's the issue :/ |
| 17:17.22 | yoshio | pumpkin0: yes, just mention the url for the remote bug in the bts |
| 17:17.25 | zinx | nvz: some newer boards need new power supplies too |
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| 17:17.33 | lilkid_ | i'm trying to set up tightvnc, i get a connection working but when i login from another machine all i can see is a terminal and a gray background, how can i make it show the actual desktop? |
| 17:17.55 | magyar | MangosDebian: i got a list |
| 17:17.57 | cast | MangosDebian: i often use mplayer...but cplay is quite nice, its an ncurses python interface to $PLAYERS |
| 17:18.08 | nvz | zinx: he needs a new case/psu regaurdless he's going from proprietary |
| 17:18.30 | MangosDebian | magyar: and? |
| 17:18.30 | zinx | nvz: ah. |
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| 17:19.00 | MangosDebian | magyar: i know you got a list or I wouldnt have gave you that command :p |
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| 17:19.12 | xand | lilkid_: depends how you configure it... you probably need to tell it to use the current session instead of creating a new one |
| 17:20.15 | xand | MangosDebian: don't make a mess |
| 17:20.28 | magyar | MangosDebian: is there a way to print files with same mdsum? |
| 17:20.33 | magyar | only |
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| 17:22.00 | CppIsWeird | if i wanted to install debian over ubuntu, but i dont have anywhere to move my data, and everything i want is in my home directory... would it be as simple as deleteing everything but my home directory and installing debian just without repartitioning or reformatting the hard disk? |
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| 17:22.44 | MangosDebian | magyar: theres always a way, but I don't know of any commands. awk or perl would probably be your best best |
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| 17:23.27 | MangosDebian | loop through each filename, if the current one = previous one, its a dupe kind of logic |
| 17:23.47 | cast | CppIsWeird: that sounds reasonable, i presume the installer wont rm a /home if it finds one since that would not be a sane thing to do |
| 17:24.13 | cast | MangosDebian: sort, uniq? |
| 17:24.19 | cast | uh, magyar |
| 17:24.25 | cast | hmm, hold on. that wont do it. |
| 17:24.27 | MangosDebian | cast: you dont want the uniq though |
| 17:24.52 | MangosDebian | i got a mp3 dupe script I still have that could be adapted to anything though |
| 17:24.54 | cast | magyar: just use fdupes |
| 17:25.08 | MangosDebian | fdupes? |
| 17:25.27 | MangosDebian | ahh ya, that'll do it |
| 17:25.30 | cast | fdupes uses md5sum to find identical files |
| 17:25.59 | MangosDebian | ya, my script only parses the md5sum file itself, doesnt gen one |
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| 17:26.38 | cast | there should be some quick shell way to find duplicate lines though |
| 17:26.50 | cast | which is what you'd be doing after you had sorted |
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| 17:26.53 | magyar | cast: you da bomb |
| 17:26.55 | magyar | -_- |
| 17:27.16 | cast | you could run sort, you could use uniq and diff that against the not-uniq version but that seems silly |
| 17:27.21 | MangosDebian | cast: actually, it would be pretty simple logic if you think about it after it sorted |
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| 17:27.58 | MangosDebian | would a diff work though? or would it be way off due to context? |
| 17:28.17 | blubberdiblub | cast: uniq has an option to report duplicate lines |
| 17:28.26 | JeffH | I'm trying to ssh into my box and I get an error that says 'No address associated with nodename' Anyone know how to fix that? |
| 17:28.34 | cast | blubberdiblub: well that solves that :> |
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| 17:28.48 | cast | | sort -d |
| 17:28.51 | MangosDebian | blubberdiblub: :) |
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| 17:29.37 | MangosDebian | funny, guess that means fdupes is even not needed :) |
| 17:29.43 | lvh | the people who made the 802.11 spec possible should get a statue |
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| 17:29.56 | Azar | good morning honorables |
| 17:30.13 | rue_house | so, apt wants to remove my kernel to install bind? |
| 17:30.14 | MangosDebian | mornin |
| 17:30.16 | rue_house | thats cute |
| 17:30.19 | cast | fdupes is handy, it can give you the option to delete the duplicates |
| 17:30.21 | lvh|garden | rue_house: eh? |
| 17:30.29 | lvh|garden | rue_house: pastebin please |
| 17:30.40 | rue_house | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 17:30.40 | rue_house | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.54 | magyar | cast: it only lists dupes alone, meaning not both the orig and the dupe? |
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| 17:30.59 | rue_house | ~pb |
| 17:30.59 | apt | A Pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org |
| 17:31.00 | MangosDebian | cast: can it go by dupe file name as well as checksum? |
| 17:31.30 | Azar | question here for everyone using iceweasel or firefox: it is only _me_ or everyone experiencing slowdown when trying to access _some_ websites? like "lxer.com" for example? |
| 17:31.47 | rue_house | http://paste.debian.net/33126 |
| 17:31.49 | lvh|garden | rue_house: wow, i'm not a big fan of bind but that's pretty bad :D |
| 17:31.55 | MangosDebian | Azar: flash related perhaps? |
| 17:31.56 | rue_house | heh |
| 17:31.56 | lvh|garden | rue_house: thanks |
| 17:32.08 | cast | MangosDebian: afaik no, it only looks at file contents |
| 17:32.12 | rue_house | maybe I should take the opportunity to upgrade to 2.6 |
| 17:32.15 | rue_house | sigh |
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| 17:32.23 | cast | MangosDebian: if i understand your question correctly, |
| 17:32.27 | lvh|garden | rue_house: what does bind have to do with e2fsprogs |
| 17:32.33 | rue_house | libc6 |
| 17:32.35 | Azar | MangosDebian: I bet they stuffed some stupid things on their websites, but I just wanted to see if everyone else is having issues |
| 17:32.39 | MangosDebian | cast: ya, sounds about right. |
| 17:32.48 | rue_house | if I upgrade libc6 without upgrading e2fsprogs first, everything breaks |
| 17:32.52 | lvh|garden | rue_house: what does libc6 have to do with bind? |
| 17:32.58 | lvh|garden | rue_house: wtf |
| 17:33.03 | lvh|garden | rue_house: testing? unstable? |
| 17:33.03 | rue_house | need to upgrade libc6 to get bind |
| 17:33.07 | rue_house | :) |
| 17:33.15 | MangosDebian | Azar: well, it could be that they are trying to root your box via some trojan/java/javascript/quicktime bug/flash bug. So who knows |
| 17:33.19 | xingu | Azar: backhoe fade in dallas metro area earlier. |
| 17:33.28 | lvh|garden | rue_house: what version are you running? |
| 17:33.32 | rue_house | stable |
| 17:33.38 | Azar | xingu: :) uh? |
| 17:33.53 | rue_house | of |
| 17:33.55 | lvh|garden | rue_house: paste me the relevant lines from sources.list |
| 17:33.57 | Azar | MangosDebian: I surf with js/scripts off |
| 17:34.07 | pumpkin0 | what ftpfs-tolls besides curlftpfs are in etch ? |
| 17:34.07 | MangosDebian | Azar: although if thats the case, half the channel probably rooted now thanks to you spamming some random url to test :) |
| 17:34.17 | cast | magyar: by default fdupes will return lists of filenames that are the same file, each list is is seperated by a blank line |
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| 17:34.26 | rue_house | debian version 3.1 |
| 17:34.32 | MangosDebian | Azar: hmm, how you finding that? Lot of sites break? |
| 17:34.36 | lvh|garden | rue_house: thats etch |
| 17:34.40 | rue_house | :) |
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| 17:34.47 | lvh|garden | rue_house: feed me the relevant line from sources.list |
| 17:34.53 | cast | if its...uh...por^H^H^Himages theres a better program though :) |
| 17:34.57 | rue_house | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 17:35.18 | lvh|garden | cast: that comes in videos with shitty codecs now |
| 17:35.25 | rue_house | are you gonna suggest some kinda progressive upgrade? |
| 17:35.37 | lvh|garden | rue_house: yes, but a somewhat more sane one |
| 17:35.39 | hark | rue_house: no wonder |
| 17:35.45 | zrin | which setup is needed to get kerberos with ldap as backend? I currently have ldap as nss and samba backend |
| 17:35.49 | lvh|garden | rue_house: do you have aptitude? |
| 17:36.04 | rue_house | different than apt? |
| 17:36.08 | lvh|garden | rue_house: yes. |
| 17:36.16 | rue_house | I do |
| 17:36.18 | lvh|garden | rue_house: aptitude knows what safe-upgrade is |
| 17:36.24 | zwox | salut salut |
| 17:36.32 | lvh|garden | rue_house: sudo aptitude upgrade |
| 17:36.34 | rue_house | same argument structure? |
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| 17:36.36 | lvh|garden | rue_house: errrr |
| 17:36.38 | lvh|garden | rue_house: DONT |
| 17:36.43 | rue_house | erm, yar |
| 17:36.45 | lvh|garden | rue_house: i meant: sudo aptitude update |
| 17:36.46 | lvh|garden | rue_house: :P |
| 17:36.52 | rue_house | heh |
| 17:36.54 | lvh|garden | thinko |
| 17:37.02 | zwox | petite question bete je concede, comment on active l'autocompletion, j'arrive pas a remettre la main sur le fichier a editer |
| 17:37.13 | rue_house | ok, next? |
| 17:37.19 | zwox | ou du moins si c etc/completion, je retrouve pas la ligne a decommenter |
| 17:37.22 | zwox | svp |
| 17:37.22 | rue_house | install and see what it says? |
| 17:37.32 | lvh|garden | zwox: il faut parler anglais ici, pour etre aide en francais, il faut que tu ailles a #debian-fr |
| 17:37.39 | MangosDebian | zwox: heh, whats funny is I actually caught some of that :) |
| 17:37.41 | rue_house | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.47 | lvh|garden | rue_house: no |
| 17:37.49 | rue_house | k |
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| 17:37.56 | lvh|garden | rue_house: sudo aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 17:38.05 | rue_house | hmm |
| 17:38.06 | lvh|garden | rue_house: feed me the output of that |
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| 17:38.08 | zwox | ho sorry |
| 17:38.20 | Azar | MangosDebian: with links everything opens up fast, but with firefox, try http://lxer.com it takes several seconds to open... doubt they would need to use "flash" stuff.. |
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| 17:38.27 | zwox | i just wanted to know how to set up advanced completion |
| 17:38.36 | lvh|garden | zwox: pas d probleme, sois hereux qu'il y a qqun qui comprend le francais pour le moment |
| 17:38.36 | rue_house | it dosn't know the argument |
| 17:38.40 | xingu | Azar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backhoe |
| 17:38.45 | lvh|garden | rue_house: eh? |
| 17:38.48 | rue_house | Unknown command "safe-upgrade" |
| 17:38.48 | rue_house | aptitude 0.2.15.9 |
| 17:38.48 | aptitude | 0.2 |
| 17:38.49 | lvh|garden | rue_house: oh, right, new aptitutdes |
| 17:38.52 | Azar | xingu: thanks going to check it out |
| 17:38.52 | zwox | lvh|garden: merci |
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| 17:39.09 | MangosDebian | Azar: now why in the world would i go to some site ive never heard of cause some stranger on irc told me to? c'mon :p |
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| 17:39.22 | hark | safe-upgrade is only for the one in sid |
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| 17:39.43 | rue_house | lvh|garden, I thik if I do a custom kernal and use loop-break when I isntall e2fsprogs? |
| 17:39.59 | lvh|garden | rue_house: did you install that kernel manually (make install) or with make-kpkg? |
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| 17:40.07 | hark | zwox: /etc/bash.bashrc ; uncomment the lines in the end |
| 17:40.14 | rue_house | no, which is odd, I usually do |
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| 17:40.22 | rue_house | its a stock kernel |
| 17:40.33 | hark | rue_house: read the etch release notes if you want to upgrade to etch |
| 17:40.40 | rue_house | heh |
| 17:40.44 | lvh|garden | rue_house: no what |
| 17:40.45 | rue_house | I just want to isntall bind |
| 17:40.54 | Azar | xingu: interesting, you think that could have happened? then why links would open it up with no problems? |
| 17:40.55 | lvh|garden | rue_house: yes, and you upgraded to etch in the process |
| 17:41.05 | lvh|garden | rue_house: even if you didnt know it |
| 17:41.07 | Azar | MangosDebian: it would be nice to be just a joke.. |
| 17:41.07 | hark | you have stable in your sources.list, then change it to oldstable |
| 17:41.11 | rue_house | why dont I backup and do the dist-upgrade |
| 17:41.29 | lvh|garden | rue_house: aptitude why-not is your friend |
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| 17:41.30 | lilkid_ | what does ~/ mean in terms of a directory, e.g. ~/dir ? |
| 17:41.30 | xingu | Azar: probably because links is loading *less* up; I note that my path to that host traverses the impacted backbone. |
| 17:41.31 | hark | !conflicts libc6 etch |
| 17:41.33 | dpkg | libc6: strace (<< 4.0-0), libnss-db (<= 2.2-6.1.1), timezone, timezones, gconv-modules, libtricks, libc6-doc, libc5 (<< 5.4.33-7), libpthread0 (<< 0.7-10), libc6-bin, libwcsmbs, apt (<< 0.3.0), libglib1.2 (<< 1.2.1-2), netkit-rpc, wine (<< 0.0.20031118-1), cyrus-imapd (<< 1.5.19-15), e2fsprogs (<< 1.35-7), initrd-tools (<< 0.1.84.1), libterm-readline-gnu-perl (<< 1.15-2) |
| 17:41.46 | rue_house | guys will only be >< slightly annoyed if I hooch the house router |
| 17:41.52 | Azar | xingu: I would rather tend to believe that some websites have added "features" that slow down the access |
| 17:41.52 | xingu | Azar: and I also note ~10-20ms jitter and some loss; seems a likely candidate to me. |
| 17:42.00 | xingu | Azar: fine, you do that |
| 17:42.05 | MangosDebian | xingu: backbone down somewhere you say? |
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| 17:42.16 | Azar | xingu: interesting |
| 17:42.23 | lvh|garden | rue_house: proper preparation plus prior planning prevent posterior piss-poor performance |
| 17:42.30 | hark | zwox: if [ -f /etc/bash_completion ]; then . /etc/bash_completion |
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| 17:42.35 | xingu | MangosDebian: l3/broadwing had a fiber cut earlier this morning |
| 17:42.50 | lvh|garden | rue_house: hang on |
| 17:42.56 | lvh|garden | rue_house: why are you installing bind? :P |
| 17:43.02 | Azar | MangosDebian: it is not "just one" website, there are several, and all of them have nothing to do with "frivolous surfing", serious websites |
| 17:43.14 | rue_house | I'm tired of remembering ip addresses |
| 17:43.18 | rue_house | for local machines |
| 17:43.23 | lvh|garden | rue_house: you just want a local dns server? |
| 17:43.31 | rue_house | :/ so much less fun... |
| 17:43.38 | lvh|garden | rue_house: bind makes me cry, but if you're sure ill help you |
| 17:43.48 | lvh|garden | rue_house: im a djbdns convert :) |
| 17:43.49 | rue_house | I have it on my other routers |
| 17:43.53 | lvh|garden | rue_house: ok |
| 17:43.56 | rue_house | I'll just copy and mod a config |
| 17:44.02 | MangosDebian | xingu: my luck that site doesnt appear on internettraffifc report |
| 17:44.12 | Azar | xingu: so they cut those lines to... steal the cables? |
| 17:44.13 | lvh|garden | rue_house: my advice is to use the etch release notes and upgrade to etch, or use oldstable if you dont want to upgrade |
| 17:44.17 | lvh|garden | rue_house: the latter is less work |
| 17:44.26 | dimbit | O/T, but any thoughts on the most elegant way to get my PC upstairs to output the same audio as my PC downstairs? I can think of a number of ways, but they're all ugly... |
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| 17:44.33 | lvh|garden | rue_house: and you can then upgrade to the new stable whenever you have a free moment |
| 17:44.36 | xingu | Azar: good old fashioned civic planning cockup is more likely. |
| 17:44.42 | rue_house | whats the odds if I upgrad to oldstable the upgrade to new stable will go easier |
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| 17:44.58 | xingu | Azar: combine with least cost design and hey what do you know |
| 17:44.59 | Ramattack | Hi |
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| 17:45.12 | Ramattack | how could I do If I have lost more command? |
| 17:45.17 | Azar | xingu: amazing, I saw on tv two days ago a guy died trying to cut copper wires from some electricity poll |
| 17:45.19 | Ramattack | wich package should I install? |
| 17:45.23 | lvh|garden | rue_house: going to oldstable would be a normal upgrade |
| 17:45.32 | lvh|garden | rue_house: seeing as that is what you're running already |
| 17:45.37 | MangosDebian | dimbit: doesnt some of the sound daemons have network sound support? |
| 17:45.48 | Azar | xingu: this is getting really bad, people will complain.. they can't just leave things like that |
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| 17:46.01 | xingu | Azar: ho hum. |
| 17:46.03 | rue_house | good stuff |
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| 17:46.20 | dimbit | yeah, but they're all into running >1 PC into 1 soundcard |
| 17:46.35 | Azar | xingu: add to that the bloating of html by upgrading to html5.. |
| 17:46.37 | zrin | which kerberos implementation can (easily) use a ldap backend? |
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| 17:46.41 | zwox | hark: thank you |
| 17:46.42 | dimbit | not running multiple soundcards |
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| 17:47.02 | Ramattack | anybody who knows this please?? |
| 17:47.11 | MangosDebian | dimbit: you mean you want like 4 diff sound cards all to ouput to one sound card on a diff machine? |
| 17:47.15 | rue_house | I'm running multiple sound cards |
| 17:47.23 | rue_house | I use one as an alarm clock |
| 17:47.25 | Azar | Ramattack: use "less" |
| 17:47.48 | Michael_K | Azar: hey i was runnin "dselect" "Update" and then at the end of it i got this ever message http://www.pastebin.ca/628798 .....do you know how to solve this problem? |
| 17:47.51 | dimbit | nope, I want whatever noises are coming from one machine to come out of all the speakers in the house |
| 17:48.01 | MangosDebian | ahh ok |
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| 17:48.12 | lvh|garden | dimbit: are they all attached to different pc's? |
| 17:48.17 | dimbit | lvh|garden: yes |
| 17:48.21 | lvh|garden | dimbit: easy! |
| 17:48.23 | Azar | Michael_K: I never used dselect as it is said to give headaches but I will look at your link |
| 17:48.25 | MangosDebian | surely there must be some multicast solution |
| 17:48.28 | lvh|garden | dimbit: have oen master pc that is a vlc server |
| 17:48.40 | lvh|garden | dimbit: and have all client pc's listen with vlc |
| 17:48.41 | rue_house | 797Mhz!? what did I use fro the router!? |
| 17:48.43 | dimbit | vlc, ok. that's what I need to google then? cheers... |
| 17:48.50 | dimbit | lvh|garden: didn't know where to start |
| 17:48.51 | lvh|garden | dimbit: www.videolan.org |
| 17:48.54 | lvh|garden | dimbit: no problem |
| 17:49.00 | lvh|garden | dimbit: if you need help, yell at me |
| 17:49.01 | Michael_K | Azar: ok |
| 17:49.01 | MangosDebian | hmm, ive seen some people mention vlc too. sounds interesting |
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| 17:49.10 | rue_house | pentium3!?! geeez, use up all the good stuff already... |
| 17:49.10 | Michael_K | Azar: thanks |
| 17:49.24 | lvh|garden | dimbit: i have used mutlicasting to get one lynyrd wynyrd stream across a subnet XD |
| 17:49.32 | lvh|garden | rue_house: pentium... xd. |
| 17:49.33 | Azar | Michael_K: can you please copy and paste the content of your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 17:49.40 | Azar | on the paster.. |
| 17:49.42 | lvh|garden | rue_house: arm routers for life |
| 17:49.51 | Michael_K | Azar: ok |
| 17:49.51 | dimbit | lvh|garden: there's a slight complication in that I may be running the master PC by ssh from the slave but still want the sound to come out everywhere. I'll be able to figure it out from here tho, thx |
| 17:49.53 | MangosDebian | zomfg! |
| 17:49.54 | lvh|garden | MangosDebian: vlc is really good |
| 17:49.57 | rue_house | well, usually I use a pentuim 133 or 150 |
| 17:50.00 | lvh|garden | dimbit: btw |
| 17:50.03 | lvh|garden | dimbit: ALWAYS use vlc |
| 17:50.06 | MangosDebian | lvh|garden: thats one hell of a dep list |
| 17:50.06 | lvh|garden | dimbit: not vls |
| 17:50.10 | dimbit | ok |
| 17:50.15 | lvh|garden | dimbit: stay the fuck away from vls, its old and deprecated |
| 17:50.28 | dimbit | will do |
| 17:50.28 | lvh|garden | dimbit: even though it's called videolan SERVER, its not what you want, even on your server |
| 17:50.29 | xingu | dimbit: jackd is designed for this job |
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| 17:50.56 | MangosDebian | lvh|garden: ahh, so it is multicast? thats cool. more like something I would be interested in actually |
| 17:51.10 | lvh|garden | xingu: jack does networks? |
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| 17:51.21 | Michael_K | Azar: http://www.pastebin.ca/628815 |
| 17:51.44 | xingu | dimbit: the bigger part of this problem is that you also want the sound to come out of each set of speakers /in phase/ |
| 17:51.44 | Azar | Michael_K: ok |
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| 17:51.45 | xingu | dimbit: otherwise it'll sound like you're in a canyon |
| 17:51.45 | MangosDebian | xingu: is jackd multicast though? |
| 17:51.45 | xingu | dimbit: and that's what jackd does |
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| 17:52.20 | Azar | Michael_K: nope, you do this: less /etc/apt/sources.list < file opens you copy the content and paste it on a paster :) |
| 17:52.24 | dimbit | ok, I want ALL the sound btw, not just stuff I play in VLC player. Is VLC more than a player? could I pipe audio from games through the VLC multicast?? |
| 17:52.34 | dimbit | or indeed jackd? |
| 17:52.43 | lvh|garden | dimbit: oh |
| 17:52.45 | xingu | yes to jackd. |
| 17:52.49 | lvh|garden | dimbit: well in that case jackd is better, yes |
| 17:53.00 | lvh|garden | dimbit: i thought you wanted like a house-wide intercom or something |
| 17:53.16 | dimbit | I want my music to be playing in every room basically |
| 17:53.17 | lvh|garden | xingu: does jackd do networks and more importantly multicasting? |
| 17:53.47 | dimbit | but not just stuff I can play in VLC. sometimes the output from voip stuff and mplayer would be handy too |
| 17:53.49 | lvh|garden | dimbit: well, why is that ALL sound then? |
| 17:53.53 | lvh|garden | dimbit: aha |
| 17:53.59 | lvh|garden | dimbit: then jackd is closer to what you want |
| 17:54.02 | dimbit | ok, cool |
| 17:54.19 | dimbit | yeah, the streams I like need mplayer. vlc borks. stupid windowsy standards and stuff |
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| 17:54.32 | Michael_K | Azar: oh ok :) |
| 17:54.38 | Michael_K | Azar: http://www.pastebin.ca/628821 |
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| 17:58.15 | lvh|garden | eh? |
| 17:58.16 | Azar | Michael_K: ok let's clean up: open up with an editor (pico, vi...whatever) the /etc/apt/sources.list file, and comment ( # ) lines: 3 (the second cdrom line) , 8 (deb-src for security) and 9 (backports.org), add to all other left non-free contrib at the end of lines, save (:wq in vim) and show it to me again |
| 17:58.22 | lvh|garden | mplayer works but vlc doesnt? |
| 17:58.28 | lvh|garden | haven't seen that before |
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| 17:59.05 | dimbit | lvh|garden: yeah, sucky stream |
| 17:59.08 | Azar | Michael_K: bb in 3 min, bring the pasted link when you are done... |
| 17:59.22 | dimbit | lvh|garden: mms://mediasrv-the.musicradio.com/Chill?MSWMExt=.asf |
| 17:59.23 | MangosDebian | realistically, the solution used shouldnt even require a special player. it should work at the device level transparently |
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| 17:59.49 | dimbit | that's what I was thinking... |
| 17:59.50 | MangosDebian | he should just be able to fine tune latency and start piping sound using anything |
| 18:00.03 | xingu | lvh|garden, MangosDebian: jack-tools has jack.udp |
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| 18:00.39 | MangosDebian | of course the server would need to add the max latency delay to its output for sync purposes I would think |
| 18:00.41 | dimbit | I mean, if arts could output to 2 devices simultanouesly it would be easy |
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| 18:00.54 | xingu | lvh|garden, MangosDebian: jackd itself doesn't have a network transport afaik |
| 18:01.00 | CaspeR-Bz | hello! How can I add a user with id 500 on debian ? |
| 18:01.23 | Lost__ | hello, i got a problem. Toshiba M70-320, black screen- edited xorg.conf to vesa - fine for now. But now i can't connect. Everything seems ok, but i can't browse. I did the netinstall, so apart from security updates, it connected fine. How do i troubleshoot this? thank you very much |
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| 18:02.17 | mutante_ | CaspeR-Bz: adduser --uid 500 username |
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| 18:02.18 | dimbit | xingu: seems you just pick a 'streamer' for that |
| 18:02.19 | MangosDebian | dimbit: actually thats a good question. With all the cheap old 486's, sound blasters and nic's out there, having a cheap sound system using them would be a cool idea for old boxen |
| 18:02.32 | dimbit | indeed. this is exactly my plan :) |
| 18:03.05 | dimbit | it will be under my bed and will be speakers playing the same music as downstairs by day, and will ssh into my main box and play movies by night |
| 18:03.10 | Azar | Michael_K: I am back |
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| 18:03.36 | MangosDebian | dimbit: latency wouldnt be an issue if you were doing sound to areas that cant be heard togethere, but if it were spread across a large hall/room I could see it being more of an issue. I think most people in that case just use standard sound equipment though |
| 18:03.54 | MangosDebian | no hd's to fail either |
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| 18:04.14 | dimbit | ah, no, no. it's in a seperate room so no echo worries, but I want to be able to play my movies in bed too so wifi speakers or whatever just wont cut it |
| 18:04.28 | MangosDebian | dimbit: but hey, home many people could say their stereo is also a distcc cluster :) |
| 18:04.35 | lilkid_ | Anyone familiar with tightvnc? how can i make tightvnc display the desktop thats coming out of the vga port? it seems to be generating a new desktop with a blank terminal.. |
| 18:04.50 | dimbit | yeah, it'll be cool if it comes off |
| 18:05.03 | dimbit | but jack seems a lot of work |
| 18:05.30 | MangosDebian | is jackd the right tool? multicast? |
| 18:05.50 | somian[0] | Hrm, the upgrade of "samba" is broken -- post-install script or something is exiting with "fail". What's the dpkg invocation to fix a balky pkg? The precise one is 3.0.24-6etch4 |
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| 18:06.11 | dimbit | I'm sure I saw something a while ago that was exactly right for this. it was a 5 letter acronym with x's in but I can't remember how I found it... |
| 18:06.50 | MangosDebian | be a tough apt cache search without specifics |
| 18:07.10 | dimbit | it's hard enough to find it on google |
| 18:07.50 | somian[0] | Hi MangosDebian |
| 18:08.18 | dimbit | y'know what else is cool btw, I already have bemused so I can ffw,rew,stop,play,vol+- from my phone via bluetooth. Having sound in every room would make my life complete ;) |
| 18:08.18 | MangosDebian | hi |
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| 18:08.39 | _THE_MAXX_ | hello |
| 18:08.57 | _THE_MAXX_ | anyone know when mesa 7.0 will be in Debian? |
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| 18:09.07 | MangosDebian | dimbit: how do you get bluetooth in a computer? pci card? usb? |
| 18:09.29 | dimbit | usb |
| 18:09.41 | _THE_MAXX_ | it's been out for a while and it's a "stable" release, unlike the one in Debian now (6.5.3) |
| 18:09.54 | dimbit | it can lock the screen when I go out of range too ;) |
| 18:09.57 | MangosDebian | dimbit: what kind of range you get? |
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| 18:10.26 | dimbit | depends what dongle you buy and on walls and stuff, but ~10m is the best you'll get |
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| 18:10.40 | dimbit | which is anywhere in my house basically |
| 18:10.51 | Taco|king | hmm...dreamhost uses debian...they suck....i use debian for my servers...i pwn |
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| 18:11.02 | Azar | _THE_MAXX_: I do not know about mesa, but generally speaking, until a package is not revised, debianized, it will not make it into Debian. It has to be revised, tested first by debian developers. |
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| 18:11.27 | juancgt | anyone familiar with the ipw2200 driver? it's freezing my computer everytime I use my wireless |
| 18:11.51 | somian[0] | "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/samba_3.0.24-6etch4_i386.deb: subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 102" <-- WHAT TO DO? |
| 18:12.15 | _THE_MAXX_ | Azar: I would expect that, but I hope i won't have to wait too long for it |
| 18:12.30 | _THE_MAXX_ | lots of good features in mesa 7.0 |
| 18:12.43 | Michael_K | Azar: sorry bout that i was gettin somethin anyway...here it is http://www.pastebin.ca/628839 |
| 18:12.45 | Azar | _THE_MAXX_: you could check for a package at the debian site.... trying the search engine for each debian version... |
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| 18:13.15 | Michael_K | Azar: brb in 5 mins |
| 18:13.18 | Azar | _THE_MAXX_: scroll down until you see the "search" http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 18:13.23 | Azar | Michael_K: ok |
| 18:14.34 | _THE_MAXX_ | I ve done that, but still no sign of it, even in experimental |
| 18:15.05 | _THE_MAXX_ | I have the impression that Debian is a bit slower paced than it was 2/3 years ago |
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| 18:17.18 | somian[0] | Aha, it appears that the culprit is "invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/S91samba" |
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| 18:18.08 | dimbit | MangosDebian: sounds like MuSE might be the winner |
| 18:18.17 | portager | hi, where can i see wich modules are loaded on boot? |
| 18:18.43 | simonrvn | kernel? /etc/modules ; lsmod |
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| 18:20.56 | MangosDebian | dimbit: hmm, doesnt look like anything special |
| 18:21.52 | xingu | dimbit: pulseaudio seems worth a look-in too. |
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| 18:21.56 | Azar | Michael_K: are you back? |
| 18:22.16 | Michael_K | Azar: ok am back |
| 18:22.23 | simonrvn | pulseaudio also has an esd enulation plugin |
| 18:22.33 | simonrvn | for the gnome users... |
| 18:22.51 | simonrvn | or apps that look for that |
| 18:22.53 | Azar | Michael_K: you have to copy everything here and replace your stuff in /etc/apt/sources.list with an editor: |
| 18:23.12 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:23.23 | Azar | holdon I am having issues here |
| 18:23.57 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.13 | portager | errr.. im getting several messages « INIT: cannot execute "/sbin/getty" » and «respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes » |
| 18:24.16 | portager | :S |
| 18:24.33 | Azar | Michael_K: so delete all you got, and copy the content of the url and paste it on your sources.list file, save and show me |
| 18:25.03 | Michael_K | Azar: oh |
| 18:25.10 | Michael_K | Azar: i see |
| 18:25.14 | Michael_K | Azar: ok |
| 18:25.19 | xingu | dimbit: http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ question #22 |
| 18:25.19 | Lost__ | hello, to restate my question: Toshiba M70-320. I can't browse. Everything seems ok in /etc/network/interfaces, using dhcp in eth0. I connect through a D-Link DSL-504 router, i can ping google.com, i get an internal IP, etc. I did the netinstall, so apart from security updates, it connected fine. How do i troubleshoot this? |
| 18:25.39 | dimbit | xingu: ooooh, cheers |
| 18:25.41 | xingu | dimbit: I like the fact that it uses zeroconf and rtp |
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| 18:27.38 | Michael_K | Azar: its goin through just now.... i will give you the results |
| 18:27.46 | Lost__ | maybe my question is too big here? should i use the mailing lists? (sorry, i really am lost) |
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| 18:28.24 | xingu | Lost__: what does "telnet www.google.com 80" report? |
| 18:28.56 | polter | ok, quick question. is testing or unstable the MOST unstable ? |
| 18:29.05 | jlc | were does apt-get download packages too |
| 18:29.15 | jlc | i keep getting an md5sum mismatch on flash |
| 18:29.19 | xingu | jlc: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 18:29.27 | jlc | flashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:29.29 | jlc | thx |
| 18:29.44 | Jordan_U | jlc, That is a bug in the package I think |
| 18:29.48 | xingu | jlc: that probably means that the upstream flash plugin is newer than the flashplugin-nonfree wrapper. |
| 18:29.50 | Lost__ | i have to reboot to see, i'm on ubuntu partition :( . any other commands i should try before? thx |
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| 18:30.05 | jlc | yeah, i read some bug reports on it already |
| 18:30.08 | hardbop200 | just built a box from unstable, no kernel will boot after 2.6.18, gives me 'waiting for root filesystem'...am I missing something easy here? |
| 18:30.22 | xingu | Lost__: check what your working install has set in /etc/resolv.conf and for http proxy in your working browser. |
| 18:30.35 | Azar | Michael_K: you should show me your sources.list before doing anything |
| 18:30.51 | dimbit | xingu: I think I have a simpler idea |
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| 18:30.54 | xingu | jlc: nb, the md5sum mismatch is almost certainly not the .deb package but rather what it downloads |
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| 18:31.08 | jlc | yeah, i thought it would put it in there too :) |
| 18:31.21 | Lost__ | xingu: resolv.conf points to my router for DNS, and i have no proxy afaik |
| 18:31.30 | xingu | dimbit: nothing about packet audio is simple. :) your choices are do it right, or have it sound like you live in a tunnel |
| 18:31.51 | xingu | Lost__: check in the application (for proxy) and also echo $http_proxy at the command line. |
| 18:31.54 | dimbit | xhost +... and then ssh in and DISPLAY=... should mean the same X session on both machines... |
| 18:32.09 | dimbit | xingu: yhou can't hear one from the other. the latency isn't a problem |
| 18:32.17 | massctrl | anyone knows good pci sata2 controllers ? |
| 18:32.27 | B1ST | hi, i just installed amarok, but can't play mp3s using the xine-engine, i forgot something? |
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| 18:32.52 | Michael_K | Azar: oh ok here it is........ http://www.pastebin.ca/628846 |
| 18:33.00 | Lost__ | xingu: by the application you mean in the GUI? |
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| 18:33.22 | xingu | Lost__: yes, in whatever web browser you're using. |
| 18:33.25 | simonrvn | !xhost |
| 18:33.25 | dpkg | it has been said that xhost is EVIL! Ask me about mit-magic-cookie, or read /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz before even thinking about using the "xhost" command. Ask me about "sshx", or "nolisten" if you're mule-headed, or "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost" will tell you "xhost, a very dangerous program that you should never use" You should use ssh X11 forwarding instead. use sux instead of su |
| 18:33.31 | jlc | # apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree/unstable |
| 18:33.33 | jlc | that worked |
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| 18:33.51 | dimbit | point taken... |
| 18:33.53 | B1ST | anyone uses amarok here? |
| 18:33.57 | jlc | forgive me for my lack of remembering debian, put isn't there like an apt-pin or some kind of priorites |
| 18:34.01 | Azar | Michael_K: ok now you do: aptitude update .... then aptitude upgrade. If you get errors, show me. |
| 18:34.09 | jlc | so i can stay on lenny but keep flash from unstable |
| 18:34.09 | dimbit | is there any way of accessing the same x session remotely?? |
| 18:34.10 | hardbop200 | B1ST: sorry, I use cplay, cannot help |
| 18:34.13 | hardbop200 | quit |
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| 18:34.16 | Lost__ | xingu: thank you, i'm rebooting :) again (kind of fun to troubleshoot it, learned all kinds of stuff even if not related :)) THX |
| 18:34.23 | dimbit | I don't care if there's a cursor moving round upstairs... |
| 18:34.27 | B1ST | strange prob :/ |
| 18:34.28 | MangosDebian | !tell jlc -about pinning |
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| 18:35.03 | jlc | MangosDebian: thanks |
| 18:35.03 | MangosDebian | dimbit: vnc? |
| 18:35.08 | Maakuth | B1ST, i do use amarok |
| 18:35.39 | B1ST | Maakuth: i can't play mp3s using xine-engine? |
| 18:36.01 | B1ST | and apt-get install lame won't work, guess i need some decoder tho |
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| 18:36.07 | dimbit | MangosDebian: krfb. even easier :) |
| 18:36.09 | dimbit | sorted |
| 18:36.44 | Maakuth | i think libxine1-ffmpeg is the key |
| 18:36.46 | Azar | Michael_K: a side note: we #commented out your backport link because it points to... etch, you can't have backports on etch... for etch. If you ever want backports in the future you look for them on the higher debian version: lenny. But for now leave it like that: #commented. |
| 18:36.47 | piztek_ | B1ST: use audacious |
| 18:37.00 | xingu | dimbit: nb pulseaudio can sink/source to a jack server; so you'd probably want your audio sources each sourcing-to a single jack server; and a single sink redistributing as mcast rtp |
| 18:37.03 | B1ST | hmmm, even mp3blaster won't work |
| 18:37.03 | MangosDebian | dimbit: still a vnc client by the sounds of it :) |
| 18:37.11 | Taco|king | O_o |
| 18:37.22 | xingu | dimbit: that'd give you the best chance of keeping your audio in phase |
| 18:37.24 | piztek_ | B1ST: try audacious |
| 18:37.34 | Michael_K | Azar: oh ok thanks |
| 18:37.43 | B1ST | ok |
| 18:37.49 | Azar | Michael_K: how it goes with update/upgrade? |
| 18:37.52 | Taco|king | hai kate |
| 18:37.54 | dimbit | MangosDebian: yes it is, but it should do the job |
| 18:38.06 | piztek_ | i like it a lot, i just wish the playlist would stick to the window when recalled |
| 18:38.09 | Maakuth | piztek_, (s)he probably doesn't want to get evangelized with [your-favorite-player], but to have his amarok work as intended |
| 18:38.28 | MangosDebian | dimbit: probably. although i prefer something a little more standard and a little less propriatary |
| 18:38.29 | Michael_K | Azar: it is goin through still nothin yet |
| 18:38.43 | piztek_ | Maakuth: you might be right |
| 18:39.20 | B1ST | telenetPC:/home/overdose# amixer set Master 100 unmute |
| 18:39.20 | B1ST | amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device |
| 18:39.22 | B1ST | hmm |
| 18:39.23 | B1ST | strange |
| 18:39.34 | B1ST | and alsa find my card using alsaconf |
| 18:39.43 | Azar | Michael_K: you will do aptitude update / aptitude upgrade every week or so, to get security updates. Start using aptitude when you want to install packages. apt-get is still good but aptitude is doing cleanups better. |
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| 18:41.34 | dimbit | MangosDebian: I'll get onto that if I decide I like the idea |
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| 18:42.16 | Azar | Michael_K: if you ever see an aptitude upgrade telling you that the Kernel will be removed: STOP, don't accept the upgrade, you come here and ask for help. |
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| 18:43.11 | Michael_K | Azar: oh ok...i have never seen that message but i will look out for it |
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| 18:44.22 | Michael_K | Azar: ok i am about to go out and do somethin i will be back a little later but this is the results of the update http://www.pastebin.ca/628856 |
| 18:44.36 | Michael_K | Azar: some other problem now |
| 18:45.01 | Michael_K | Azar: with debian multimedia.org |
| 18:45.10 | MangosDebian | Azar: dont you find aptitude to be slow? |
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| 18:45.55 | MangosDebian | what takes 5 seconds with apt-get seems to take 20 with aptitude on this box last time I tried |
| 18:46.06 | jlc | MangosDebian: I don't understand what I'm missing, with the preferences it still wants to upgrade a lot of packages |
| 18:46.07 | jlc | http://pastebin.ca/628859 |
| 18:46.18 | Michael_K | Azar: i couldn't get the apptitude result to copy so i got the dselect results in stead |
| 18:46.21 | Maakuth | MangosDebian, get a faster rig :P |
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| 18:46.41 | Azar | Michael_K: it seems like the multimedia line in sources.list is not correct as written, try to put a / deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ etch main contrib non-free << like this |
| 18:47.05 | Azar | Michael_K: don't use dselect, use "aptitude" |
| 18:47.11 | MangosDebian | Maakuth: nah, ill just stick to apt-get thanks |
| 18:47.32 | Azar | MangosDebian: I use aptitude, it cleans up better. |
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| 18:47.49 | Michael_K | Azar: go to do somethin for my moms brb until a little later |
| 18:47.57 | Azar | Michael_K: after you add that /, run aptitude update / aptitude upgrade again |
| 18:48.05 | Maakuth | so do i, but aptitude has a nice way to handle dependency problems etc |
| 18:48.09 | Azar | Michael_K: ok, just remember to do that |
| 18:48.23 | MangosDebian | jlc: dpkg --get-selections | grep <one of the packages it wants to install>, it say install? |
| 18:48.38 | KALIK | hi, how to enable more then 880MB of RAM on AMD platform without recompiling core? |
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| 18:48.44 | Azar | MangosDebian: since the upgrade notes recommend use of aptitude, I stick with it. mixing apt-get and aptitude is not recommended |
| 18:48.45 | Michael_K | Azar: ok i will...........thanks for your help... |
| 18:48.57 | Azar | Michael_K: good luck |
| 18:49.04 | MangosDebian | Azar: what do you mean by clean up though? like remove empty dir's? or like recover from messed up pre/post install scripts? |
| 18:49.04 | solitude| | lolaptitude |
| 18:49.19 | jlc | MangosDebian: yes |
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| 18:49.45 | jlc | http://pastebin.ca/628864 |
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| 18:50.24 | jlc | line 48 should read " binutils install" |
| 18:50.28 | Taco|king | Skyrail thats why i never actually said ubuntu |
| 18:50.31 | epsilon | KALIK: how many RYM do you have installed? |
| 18:50.32 | Azar | MangosDebian: good read: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 |
| 18:50.34 | MangosDebian | jlc: ok, was wondering :) |
| 18:50.45 | jlc | MangosDebian: what does that mean? |
| 18:51.33 | B1ST | hi, anyone know to install lame on debian? |
| 18:51.37 | Azar | MangosDebian: and the /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README < shows you the power of configuring aptitude |
| 18:51.37 | KALIK | epsilon: 2GB |
| 18:51.55 | epsilon | 2GB should be recognized natively... |
| 18:52.03 | MangosDebian | jlc: that means binutils is set to install. im not sure what the way to undo it is. but you can either --set-selections that to deinstall perhaps or clear your selections. but I think clear selections will undo everything |
| 18:52.05 | epsilon | do you use standard kernel by debian? |
| 18:52.29 | MangosDebian | Azar: thanks, ill have to check into it more. just been an apt-get man all these years |
| 18:52.31 | KALIK | epsilon: but it doesnt |
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| 18:52.45 | Azar | damn internet another severer down |
| 18:52.54 | KALIK | epsilon: i use standart kernels |
| 18:52.56 | jlc | odd that penning isn't working as advertised :) |
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| 18:53.15 | epsilon | KALIK: free -m shows really only 880 under 'total'? |
| 18:53.16 | Azar | MangosDebian: just because you got used to something , does not mean it is a better choice |
| 18:53.18 | MangosDebian | Azar: you see, apt-get works fine for me becuase I tend to not fsck my system up in the first place like most people with packages :) |
| 18:53.35 | epsilon | cause 880 is a strange number |
| 18:53.36 | Azar | MangosDebian: we will talk about after you struggle to read.. |
| 18:53.40 | KALIK | epsilon: linux-image-2.6.21-1-486 |
| 18:53.58 | MangosDebian | Azar: is the manual that bad? |
| 18:54.00 | epsilon | 486? |
| 18:54.42 | same_lost | xingu: telnet www.google.com 80 |
| 18:54.42 | same_lost | Trying 1.0.0.0... |
| 18:54.42 | same_lost | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out |
| 18:54.46 | Azar | MangosDebian: is a short "why aptitude instead of apt-get" article, ideal for those who don't have the time to read a manual |
| 18:54.47 | KALIK | epsilon: Mem: 885 |
| 18:55.05 | same_lost | xingu: echo $http_proxy - returns nothing |
| 18:55.05 | KALIK | epsilon: yes, 486 |
| 18:55.21 | epsilon | KALIK: what CPU are you using |
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| 18:55.35 | epsilon | maybe it's really so old box, it may be chipset limit something |
| 18:55.35 | same_lost | xingu: resolv.conf - nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 18:55.46 | xingu | same_lost: ok so there's a clue; www.google.com is not 1.0.0.0, I can assure you of that. |
| 18:55.47 | jlc | arrrgg |
| 18:55.56 | jlc | I got it to work setting it up differently though |
| 18:56.01 | MangosDebian | Azar: well, if I completly read and memorized every single manual of every single package and program ive ever had suggested to me or had to use, I would be an old man still stuck at the install grub to MBR option of the installer :p |
| 18:56.02 | same_lost | xingu: lol, i know |
| 18:56.05 | Azar | it seems like the internet is crumbling down.... lots of sites just "not working' |
| 18:56.06 | KALIK | epsilon: athlon64 |
| 18:56.08 | xingu | same_lost: my guess is that perhaps you have an additional layer such as pppoe or similar missing from your network setup |
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| 18:56.24 | jlc | http://pastebin.ca/628868 |
| 18:56.26 | jlc | that works |
| 18:56.27 | mighty | hi |
| 18:56.30 | mighty | i am new to debian |
| 18:56.32 | somian[0] | hi mighty |
| 18:56.33 | epsilon | KALIK: why the hell are you using 486 kernel on AMD64?! |
| 18:56.35 | mighty | i have a question |
| 18:56.38 | xingu | same_lost: from the working setup, capture: ifconfig -a; netstat -rnv |
| 18:56.46 | mighty | how can I create a PDF file in Debian |
| 18:56.52 | Azar | mighty: I bet you have more |
| 18:57.00 | xingu | same_lost: if there's a ppp* interface, you've got more network setup work left to do. |
| 18:57.04 | KALIK | epsilon: and what kernel should i use? |
| 18:57.14 | epsilon | 686. AT LEAST |
| 18:57.19 | same_lost | xingu: i have "ifconfig" output here, not -a |
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| 18:57.29 | KALIK | i guess, 686 is for intel |
| 18:57.35 | mighty | I want to create a PDF file in Debian in a way that it shows a content table tree on the left pane? |
| 18:57.47 | epsilon | or amd64 but not 486 |
| 18:57.47 | mighty | Is OpenOffice export as PDF good for the purpose? |
| 18:57.47 | jlc | thanks for your help MangosDebian |
| 18:58.11 | MangosDebian | jlc: i think you solved that yourself :) |
| 18:58.13 | KALIK | epsilon: i didnt know |
| 18:58.13 | Azar | mighty: the way I remember PDF is by Adobe which is a commercial, proprietary software, does not come with linux |
| 18:58.21 | same_lost | xingu: can this fit in here? |
| 18:58.22 | zrin | mighty: it might be |
| 18:58.26 | mighty | ok |
| 18:58.26 | jlc | MangosDebian: you pointed me to pinning at least ;) |
| 18:58.37 | MangosDebian | jlc: fine, yw :) |
| 18:58.43 | KALIK | epsilon: so 686 is suitable for amd?? |
| 18:58.43 | Azar | mighty: linux uses ODF (open document format) |
| 18:58.43 | somian[0] | Which: BladeEnc, LAME or GoGo? |
| 18:58.53 | xingu | same_lost: the -a bit is important. |
| 18:59.02 | mighty | Azar, how do I create a PDF file then? |
| 18:59.05 | d00gster | can someone please help me spot the problem with my xorg. I see the signal on TV-out (compsite yellow) via a vga adaptor. however the signal is b/w and skewed/rolls My tv is a 27inch Sony, my vga card is intel built onto the mobo. the xorg is on http://www.pastebin.ca/628869 |
| 18:59.05 | Master_Medic | does any version of debian use kernel 2.6.22? |
| 18:59.11 | d00gster | appreciate some input, I've tried google .... :-) |
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| 18:59.16 | zrin | mighty: try oo |
| 18:59.23 | same_lost | xingu: rgr, what does -a do to the comand? |
| 18:59.25 | epsilon | KALIK: you have many choice with amd64 - check the kernel package descriptions |
| 18:59.26 | Azar | mighty: there might be converters out there.... but I never needed pdf or odf... so keep asking maybe someone knows |
| 18:59.38 | xingu | same_lost: shows all interfaces. |
| 18:59.49 | jlc | now to test hibernate with encrypted swap |
| 18:59.51 | B1ST | is it possible to install lame on deb? |
| 18:59.56 | Azar | mighty: try asking in #open-office or #open_office... if there is a channel like that here |
| 18:59.56 | B1ST | with apt i mean |
| 19:00.02 | same_lost | xingu: nice, thanks, i'll be back :) |
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| 19:00.41 | MangosDebian | jlc: you know, in all my years using linux i have NEVER, not even once, put linux into hibernation or sleep more |
| 19:00.52 | MangosDebian | s/more$/mode/ |
| 19:00.54 | jlc | I use it all the time |
| 19:01.05 | jlc | comes in handy to wake up quick when i'm on the go |
| 19:01.07 | MangosDebian | i use it daily on windows, just never linux |
| 19:01.16 | Azar | Master_Medic: it might be in unstable... not sure, never checked |
| 19:01.24 | somian[0] | I guess that was too specific for #debian ;-D |
| 19:01.29 | Master_Medic | hmm |
| 19:01.34 | Jordan_U | MangosDebian, Have you never tried or never succeeded? :) |
| 19:01.39 | KALIK | epsilon, i did it, linux-image-2.6.21-2-686-bigmem: Linux 2.6.21 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 19:01.43 | Master_Medic | i'm trying to install debian onto a system that already has ubuntu, i want to dual boot |
| 19:01.44 | jlc | it would look sad being the last one to leave a meeting because I'm waiting to shutdown |
| 19:01.49 | MangosDebian | jlc: although my linux boxes can never be turned off though so thats probably why |
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| 19:02.11 | MangosDebian | Jordan_U: never tried. my box sleeps, it looses net and defeats its purpose :/ |
| 19:02.14 | Master_Medic | i already have a 150M /boot, 130G /home, 10G /, and 1G swap |
| 19:02.16 | jlc | I don't shut servers or desktops down either, just laptops needs some sleep :) |
| 19:02.23 | same_lost | xingu: ah, wait, you said "from the working setup", you want the output from Ubuntu? |
| 19:02.29 | Master_Medic | and in the partition manager i see 11G unusable |
| 19:02.31 | xingu | same_lost: exactly so |
| 19:02.44 | Master_Medic | but i wanted to format that free space and put debian on it |
| 19:02.45 | xingu | !tell same_lost about paste |
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| 19:02.51 | same_lost | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.51 | same_lost | eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0F:B0:E5:5C:A2 |
| 19:02.51 | same_lost | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.51 | same_lost | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.51 | same_lost | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:03.01 | Azar | Master_Medic: the kernel version for the Debian Stable is 2.6.18 and not likely to change until maybe next year. Debian unstable "might" have it but it is not recommended for users who can't fix crashes |
| 19:03.07 | MangosDebian | Jordan_U: i honestly doubt that setting up a restore device in the cmdline args in grub is all that hard though. Or is there more to it that requires kernel compiles or something? |
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| 19:03.18 | cast | Master_Medic: well, you'll have to start using logical partitions |
| 19:03.22 | Master_Medic | Azar, ok i see |
| 19:03.35 | Master_Medic | cast, how do i do that? i dont really see the option to create one |
| 19:03.36 | zrin | Master_Medic: you have filled up the partition table (4 slotx), you need to delete one primary and make one extended partition |
| 19:03.49 | cast | Master_Medic: zrin^ |
| 19:03.52 | Jordan_U | Master_Medic, It should "just work" it often doesn't though |
| 19:03.55 | Master_Medic | can i delete the swap? |
| 19:04.01 | Master_Medic | and make that logical |
| 19:04.06 | MangosDebian | Jordan_U: that meant for me? |
| 19:04.13 | Azar | Master_Medic: never delete swap.... is like your "savings" account :) |
| 19:04.16 | zrin | Master_Medic: yes, delete swap |
| 19:04.16 | Jordan_U | Master_Medic, Yes |
| 19:04.26 | MangosDebian | Jordan_U: that meant for me? :) |
| 19:04.35 | zrin | Azar: :D |
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| 19:04.43 | valdyn | Master_Medic: delete the last partiotion, having non contigous free space doesnt help you |
| 19:04.50 | Azar | zrin: we don't know his hardware, swap is allways a safe heaven.. |
| 19:04.54 | Jordan_U | MangosDebian, If your comment about "kernel compiles or something" was for me :) |
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| 19:05.16 | Master_Medic | so i deleted swap, then i made it logical |
| 19:05.17 | Azar | hello master valdyn :) |
| 19:05.18 | MangosDebian | Jordan_U: Ill take that as a yes in both cases :p |
| 19:05.25 | Azar | Master_Medic: stick with valdyn ... |
| 19:05.25 | Master_Medic | so now the 11G is marked as usable |
| 19:05.46 | MangosDebian | Jordan_U: in the words of white zombie song: "I never try anything, I just do it." :p |
| 19:05.55 | Master_Medic | i have a question |
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| 19:06.04 | Master_Medic | if i'm trying to dual boot ubuntu/debian do i need 2 /boot dirs? |
| 19:06.17 | valdyn | Master_Medic: sure |
| 19:06.21 | same_lost | (embaraced) apologies to all, i didn't know i couldn't paste |
| 19:06.31 | same_lost | xingu: http://paste.debian.net/33129 |
| 19:06.44 | Master_Medic | and i can use the same /home for both right? |
| 19:07.02 | zrin | Master_Medic: there could be some name clashes when sharing boot partition |
| 19:07.12 | Master_Medic | ok, i will make 2 boots then |
| 19:07.19 | zrin | Master_Medic: but it is possible to configure |
| 19:07.37 | xingu | same_lost: hmm, this is the working setup? |
| 19:07.50 | Master_Medic | how can i mark the ubuntu /home for the debian home? |
| 19:08.05 | same_lost | xingu: yes, ubuntu sets up interfaces that i don't even have, or so i think |
| 19:08.33 | KALIK | epsilon: what about linux-image-2.6.21-2-amd64 ? |
| 19:08.33 | xingu | same_lost: ok lets get some more info; in one window telnet www.google.com 80 |
| 19:08.35 | zrin | Master_Medic: forget it for now, edit fstab to mount it when you're done installing |
| 19:08.47 | Master_Medic | ok |
| 19:09.00 | Master_Medic | now will have have to do funky stuff with grub? |
| 19:09.24 | xingu | same_lost: assuming that connects - in another window, netstat -an | grep -E ':80.*EST' |
| 19:10.02 | Master_Medic | same_lost, yeah it does, you can just remove them from /etc/network/interfaces if u dont want them |
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| 19:12.13 | Azar | good afternoon honorable RichiH .. nice seeing you again |
| 19:12.20 | same_lost | xingu: they work, should i paste the same way as before? |
| 19:12.28 | xingu | same_lost: yep. |
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| 19:13.20 | Blackhold | hello |
| 19:13.54 | xingu | same_lost: also - from the working setup check that resolv.conf also has nameserver 192.168.1.1 as per the broken one. |
| 19:13.59 | same_lost | xingu: http://paste.debian.net/33131 |
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| 19:15.01 | same_lost | xingu: resolv.conf is the same |
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| 19:15.41 | xingu | same_lost: ok; last thing to check - from the working system - ifconfig eth0 | grep HWaddr |
| 19:15.43 | BUMBACL0T | [15:13] <BUMBACL0T> does .PNG image support Exif data? |
| 19:15.43 | BUMBACL0T | [15:13] <BUMBACL0T> or just jpeg/jpg ? |
| 19:15.57 | xingu | same_lost: err, sorry, this would be from the broken one |
| 19:16.13 | njan | BUMBACL0T, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EXIF |
| 19:16.13 | xingu | same_lost: my suspicion would be that in the broken environment eth0 and eth1 have swapped over. |
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| 19:16.35 | xingu | same_lost: ie, that you need to swap the lan cables over as well |
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| 19:17.07 | njan | BUMBACL0T, your question's answered in about the first 50 words of the wikipedia article. |
| 19:17.19 | same_lost | xingu: i'll do that on reboot. on the install, it said eth0 was realtek something, eth1 was firewire ethernet |
| 19:17.23 | xingu | same_lost: to confirm this, look at the HWaddr vs ethX device number between working and non working |
| 19:17.25 | BUMBACL0T | i see |
| 19:17.29 | BUMBACL0T | yeah, just read it |
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| 19:17.38 | njan | BUMBACL0T, it would've been much quicker to look it up rather than spamming multiple channels with the same question you hadn't researched. |
| 19:17.46 | BUMBACL0T | i did |
| 19:17.47 | BUMBACL0T | i googled |
| 19:18.03 | Azar | :) hey, the man did his homework |
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| 19:18.13 | njan | BUMBACL0T, but you didn't click on the second site you googled for, which was that wikipedia article? *shrug* |
| 19:18.31 | xingu | same_lost: so possibly eth0 and eth2 are your two device names for your two ethernet devices in the nonworking case - and even so - the cables for eth0-working and eth0-nonworking are not the same (ie, need to be swapped about) |
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| 19:18.52 | BUMBACL0T | Azar, you're an ass, i remember you telling me to do fresh install coz my X wasn't working |
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| 19:19.14 | xingu | same_lost: this is a guess though, I'm warning you |
| 19:19.14 | markybob | is there a way to tell dpkg-buildpackage to save the package elsewhere, instead of always ../ ? |
| 19:19.40 | Azar | BUMBACL0T: possible, and hey... I am sorry. I thought it would be cleaner if you would install with a desktop option |
| 19:20.35 | same_lost | xingu: have no fear, you're doing a lot. I have ubuntu and XP (cough cough), plus an external HD with backups. This is my resp. obviously |
| 19:20.49 | xingu | same_lost: resolv.conf sets what nameserver you are using; that nameserver gives you an address for www.google.com; the difference between broken and working is that in the broken case the address given is just busted (1.0.0.0) |
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| 19:21.37 | xingu | same_lost: the underlying config in the working case tells me that beyond the network interfaces swapping around on you, there's not much else that could go wrong (no dynamic interfaces like pppoe) |
| 19:22.08 | xingu | same_lost: so it's an interesting mystery; the credible explanation is - two network interfaces, and they are swapping around on you |
| 19:22.31 | same_lost | xingu: in between geting the point, and being a complete noob, i'm lost. what exactly i should do now? |
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| 19:23.01 | same_lost | xingu: 1- check ifconfig eth0 |grep HWaddr |
| 19:23.17 | same_lost | xingu: compare this in both sys |
| 19:24.15 | MangosDebian | same_lost: man nameif? |
| 19:24.47 | xingu | same_lost: yep; and then if you have 2x network interfaces as I assume you must, swap the cables over. |
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| 19:25.03 | Master_Medic | there is no security updates in sid right? so when you upgrade to sid you need to comment out the two security lines? |
| 19:25.04 | xingu | same_lost: if that "works", there's more we can do to make things consistant |
| 19:25.09 | same_lost | xingu: i guess the confusion is understanding how to swap the cables |
| 19:25.33 | same_lost | xingu: now u geve me something to read, thats great |
| 19:25.59 | Azar | Master_Medic: correct, there are no security updates for Debian Sid. |
| 19:26.39 | Azar | Master_Medic: you get all packages raw, with bugs and vulnerabilities |
| 19:26.47 | xingu | same_lost: nb: in the working case, the "live" network interface is not the Intel one, it is a "Compal Electronics" one. |
| 19:27.02 | same_lost | MangosDebian: oops, you gave me somewthing to read, sorry the confusion |
| 19:27.09 | Master_Medic | Azar, i see |
| 19:27.38 | xingu | same_lost: your system definitely has two LAN ports on it |
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| 19:27.50 | same_lost | xingu: so i have to edit a file to read compal, not intel |
| 19:28.01 | xingu | same_lost: at least one has an ethernet cable; I'm suggesting that in the broken/not-working case, to shift the cable around |
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| 19:28.36 | xingu | same_lost: ie, take it from whatever it's plugged into, to the other LAN port (or if the other LAN port also has a cable in it, to exchange the two cables, connect each to the other's port) |
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| 19:30.11 | MangosDebian | same_lost: that what you were after? |
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| 19:30.57 | xingu | MangosDebian: nameif is a bit obsolete; see /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
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| 19:31.25 | same_lost | MongosDebian: the man nameif. i'm ok with reading, the problem is knowing where to start. documentation is huge |
| 19:31.40 | xingu | same_lost: first, lets test the theory |
| 19:31.43 | beered | Why "aptitude u" doesn't work in Etch? 'aptitude g' doesn't work either. |
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| 19:32.01 | xingu | same_lost: then if the theory is correct we can come back and show you how to make the interfaces be called the same thing under both systems. |
| 19:32.17 | MoDaX | beered: aptitude update / aptitude dist-upgrade ? |
| 19:32.18 | Azar | beered: read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README to find the right combo |
| 19:32.19 | MangosDebian | xingu: nameif is a tad easier than udev rules or i would have suggested it |
| 19:32.42 | xingu | same_lost: simplest test is to boot the broken environment and then move the lan cable from whatever port it's in, to whatever port it's not in on the system. |
| 19:32.57 | beered | Azar, MoDaX: yes, but aptitude u == aptitude update and aptitude g == aptitude upgrade. It saves typing and it worked before. |
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| 19:33.24 | same_lost | xingu: i only have one ethernet port! :( |
| 19:33.26 | Azar | beered: because it is not working like that, who told you about u and g ? |
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| 19:33.46 | MoDaX | beered: run aptitude, what till gui appears. then it will work |
| 19:33.48 | xingu | same_lost: that's not what your PC is telling us. :) what's eth1 in your working setup? |
| 19:33.53 | beered | Azar: errr... it's documented in Debian Security how-to. |
| 19:34.08 | beered | MoDaX: I don't use GUI. |
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| 19:34.26 | MoDaX | beered: read changelog why it was dropped |
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| 19:34.34 | Azar | beered: you "could" customize aptitude if you study /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README |
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| 19:35.18 | Azar | there are lots of tips on how to make aptitude behave the way you need |
| 19:35.29 | same_lost | xingu: my "working system" hangs when i choose network settings, so whatcommand is that? |
| 19:36.34 | xingu | same_lost: if you look at the rear of your system, you'll probably see a lan cable plugged in; there will almost certainly be another port, not currently used, which can take the same cable |
| 19:37.51 | same_lost | xingu: no, i cant see that. to answer better, in toshiba's site, my specs read that i have an RJ-11 and RJ-45 |
| 19:38.18 | xingu | same_lost: hmm; what does iwconfig eth1 say? |
| 19:39.35 | same_lost | xingu: http://paste.debian.net/33134 |
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| 19:39.52 | xingu | aha, mystery solved |
| 19:40.05 | xingu | same_lost: eth1 is a wireless card fyi. |
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| 19:40.09 | Azar | beered: unfortunately there are still old howto-s and manuals online that don't even have a date on the header... many people thinking that they are "the thing" to learn from but they are obsolete, do not apply to Etch anymore.... they are back from the Debian Woody times. |
| 19:40.21 | diafic | facking freenode |
| 19:40.32 | diafic | ... |
| 19:40.35 | diafic | WHAT THE HELL |
| 19:40.35 | diafic | -NickServ- Please wait 120 seconds before using REGISTER again |
| 19:40.38 | diafic | ARRRGH |
| 19:40.45 | diafic | I FUCKING HATE FREENODE |
| 19:40.50 | B1ST | lol |
| 19:40.52 | MangosDebian | diafic: .... |
| 19:41.00 | Azar | diafic: ok... so what that has to do with #debian? |
| 19:41.03 | diafic | WRRRRYYYYYYYY |
| 19:41.09 | xingu | same_lost: and you defintely have 192.168.1.5 in /etc/resolv.conf in both setups? this is very strange |
| 19:41.10 | same_lost | xingu: so on Debian install, it even detected eth1 as firewire wrong? |
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| 19:41.13 | diafic | ... |
| 19:41.13 | Azar | RichiH: diafic |
| 19:41.18 | diafic | crap, wrong channel |
| 19:41.34 | xingu | same_lost: nope, that's totally understandable; once debian is working, your wlan will be eth2 |
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| 19:41.36 | same_lost | xingu: 192.168.1.1 in both yes, and XP also |
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| 19:42.16 | same_lost | xingu: on the side, this is my fav distro, i want it to work, and it will! |
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| 19:42.27 | beered | I have UPS connected to my machine. The machine has 4 USB ports in /dev/ how do I find out which USB is used by the UPS? |
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| 19:42.32 | same_lost | xingu: me no wants ubuntu |
| 19:42.47 | B1ST | ubuntu is gay |
| 19:42.51 | xingu | same_lost: is the IP address your system gets 192.168.1.5 in both cases (ubuntu, debian)? I assume it is |
| 19:43.08 | Azar | same_lost, B1ST please keep it to debian discussions |
| 19:43.11 | d00gster | guys how do I install drivers i915 for intel chipset. I downloaded them from intel's website and got an error installing them can I like use apt-get ? |
| 19:43.22 | xingu | beered: lsusb |
| 19:43.37 | beered | xingu: genious! |
| 19:43.41 | same_lost | azar: np, sorry for that |
| 19:43.43 | ledet | B1ST: gay as in happy or gay as in homosexual? i doubt that a distro can be either :) |
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| 19:44.01 | Azar | d00gster: what debian version are you using? where are your /etc/apt/sources.list pointed at? sarge? etch? |
| 19:44.02 | B1ST | happy? hmm |
| 19:44.07 | Jordan_U | d00gster, apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 19:44.14 | same_lost | xingu: i think so, i'd have to reboot to confirm though |
| 19:44.19 | B1ST | ya know what i mean ledet |
| 19:44.31 | Azar | Jordan_U: he needs to check his sources.list first |
| 19:44.39 | d00gster | Jordan_U I did that but those drivers didn't install |
| 19:44.42 | xingu | same_lost: ok, do that; also try "telnet 72.14.215.104 80" |
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| 19:45.06 | d00gster | my source is pointing to sid |
| 19:45.32 | Azar | d00gster, Jordan_U it depends which kernel version he is using (kernels hold the dev drivers on) |
| 19:45.33 | d00gster | Jordan_U, when I put drive Unstable |
| 19:45.34 | d00gster | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free |
| 19:45.35 | d00gster | oops |
| 19:45.40 | same_lost | xingu: me thinks about printing this conversation :) |
| 19:45.52 | xingu | same_lost: aah! I know... |
| 19:45.55 | xingu | same_lost: gimme a few. |
| 19:46.01 | d00gster | kernel linux-2.6.21.3 |
| 19:46.11 | Azar | d00gster: sid uh... ok tough man.... tough for me I do not know about the unstable debian |
| 19:46.13 | MangosDebian | same_lost: /lastlog |
| 19:46.14 | same_lost | xingu: heh |
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| 19:46.31 | same_lost | MangosDebian: /lastlog ? |
| 19:46.39 | MangosDebian | same_lost: irssi thing |
| 19:46.42 | jetscreamer | does the intel driver also have a problem with paravirt_ops? i thought it was just nvda and ati, but hey makes sense |
| 19:46.48 | Azar | d00gster: it is a high kernel version, it "should" already have your driver .. |
| 19:46.58 | philluminati | hi guys... I've just installed debian with KDE. Is there a graphical application that allows me to add and remove programs??? |
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| 19:47.07 | jetscreamer | you might check the xorg docs for if your chipset is supported |
| 19:47.42 | xingu | same_lost: the problem is that your router/gateway is broken; it replies to AAAA queries with "1.0.0.0" . |
| 19:47.57 | same_lost | MangosDebian, xingu: /var/log/syslog on boot is af value? |
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| 19:48.08 | xingu | same_lost: AAAA queries are what happens when linux tries to look up an ipv6 address for a given name |
| 19:48.12 | same_lost | xingu: i see your point, absolutly true |
| 19:48.14 | MangosDebian | ? |
| 19:48.24 | xingu | same_lost: I'm looking for a way to disable this behaviour, please hold. :) |
| 19:48.26 | d00gster | Azar |
| 19:48.27 | d00gster | in xorg.conf I put- Driver "i915" and startx gives me |
| 19:48.27 | d00gster | EE) Failed to load module "i915" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 19:48.27 | d00gster | (EE) No drivers available. |
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| 19:48.31 | xingu | "your call is important to us" |
| 19:48.43 | Azar | philluminati: a very basic knowledge about debian package management is required, is not big deal, you have to learn about apt (the package manager which installs packages) about the sources.list (places from where packages are get from), and four simple commands |
| 19:49.02 | Azar | d00gster: that is a sid thing then..... |
| 19:49.16 | jetscreamer | ftp://x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/manindex4.html |
| 19:49.20 | philluminati | azar, is there no graphical tool? Do i have to use apt-get? |
| 19:49.49 | d00gster | if I change my source to something else Azar, would it make a difference? |
| 19:49.53 | jetscreamer | synaptic, apt-get, aptitude, who cares |
| 19:49.59 | jetscreamer | no it wouldn't |
| 19:50.19 | same_lost | xingu: WC, 5 min :) |
| 19:50.26 | Azar | philluminati: it might be... don't know, never used a "graphical tool" I just open up an xterm, su , then proceed with installations via apt-get |
| 19:50.31 | jetscreamer | !i915 |
| 19:50.31 | dpkg | somebody said i915 was an integrated graphic chipset from Intel. Use the 'i810' driver within Xorg/XFree86 and ask me about <915resolution>. |
| 19:50.47 | jetscreamer | !tell d00gster -about 915resolution |
| 19:50.49 | Azar | philluminati: a short howto: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/12/concise-apt-get-dpkg-primer-for-new.html |
| 19:50.55 | philluminati | thanks |
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| 19:51.07 | MangosDebian | Azar: apt-get? or aptitude? :) |
| 19:51.25 | hark | d00gster: use "i810" not "i915" |
| 19:51.26 | jetscreamer | aptitude is the preferred method |
| 19:51.32 | Azar | MangosDebian: the tutorial does not mention aptitude, and for a beginner, apt-get info is a start. |
| 19:51.37 | nacer | hi |
| 19:51.47 | nacer | where can i see the changelog security about this : File: libapache-mod-jk_1.2.5-2sarge1_i386.deb 176 KB 17.06.2007 17:05:00 |
| 19:51.47 | jetscreamer | the tut is old then maybe |
| 19:51.59 | jetscreamer | but either/or |
| 19:51.59 | Azar | MangosDebian: I would not start messing up with a new user.... just take it step by step |
| 19:52.16 | xingu | same_lost: ok, one workaround would be log into your router and find out what *it* has learnt as DNS settings; configure those into resolv.conf as your nameserver address |
| 19:52.23 | Azar | jetscreamer: is just a "primer" to give the new user the idea how apt works |
| 19:52.56 | philluminati | so how I do Install beryl? |
| 19:52.59 | Azar | once they learn how to setup the sources.list correctly and clean, and how to issue apt commands... aptitude might be explained later |
| 19:53.06 | Azar | :) |
| 19:53.12 | xingu | MangosDebian: gotta go eat; can you walk the poor guy through setting the nameserver address in /etc/network/interfaces per his gateway? some fudge will be necessary to stop the dhcp method overwriting it |
| 19:53.12 | jetscreamer | same commands |
| 19:53.18 | Azar | philluminati: read that article.... and you will know more than that |
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| 19:53.36 | xingu | MangosDebian: I think there's a way you can force it - just hardcode dns-nameservers option as well. |
| 19:53.45 | same_lost | xingu: ok, i knowe what DNS servers it has, i put them there. But why does Ubuntu work well with router as DNS then? |
| 19:53.57 | xingu | same_lost: ubunto probably has an older libc6 |
| 19:53.58 | jetscreamer | i don't know, but the tut is probably just as effective if you change the word apt-get to aptitude |
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| 19:54.09 | jetscreamer | just a thought |
| 19:54.13 | xingu | same_lost: and probably current libc6 now defaults to querying for AAAA records |
| 19:54.16 | same_lost | xingu: that's better, i'm not crazy :) |
| 19:54.18 | Azar | philluminati: the examples mention ubuntu, disregard, and replace with /debian :) |
| 19:54.23 | MangosDebian | xingu: gee, thanks |
| 19:54.24 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 19:54.26 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 19:54.34 | same_lost | xingu: AAAA is ..? |
| 19:54.43 | jetscreamer | a record |
| 19:54.44 | xingu | same_lost: ipv6 address record for dns name. |
| 19:54.46 | jetscreamer | A |
| 19:54.48 | jetscreamer | o |
| 19:54.56 | jlc | arg |
| 19:55.00 | jetscreamer | 4A's means it's ipv6? |
| 19:55.03 | xingu | same_lost: you get the gist; a router firmware update /might/ fix it but I wouldn't hold much hope personally |
| 19:55.14 | MangosDebian | who my suppose help now? |
| 19:55.15 | zrin | can a (posix) group be member of another group? |
| 19:55.16 | xingu | same_lost: those things are notoriously broken |
| 19:55.17 | jlc | I got a script that will start my network up after hibernate but not sure where to put it |
| 19:55.25 | same_lost | xingu: so it's part of ipv6 migration |
| 19:55.27 | xingu | jetscreamer: yep. |
| 19:55.41 | jlc | http://pastebin.ca/628931 |
| 19:55.44 | keith80403 | Debian Etch - what's the aptitude option to find out if a package has security or other updates, without actually downloading/installing it? |
| 19:55.58 | xingu | same_lost: yep; and a dns proxy replying to a resource-record type it doesn't know about with "1.0.0.0" is not cricket. |
| 19:56.01 | jlc | that will get network-manager and ipw3945 to start backup but not sure were I should put it |
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| 19:56.18 | B1ST | Azar: where can i find a good article deb + beryl? |
| 19:56.25 | jetscreamer | !beryl |
| 19:56.25 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), HOWTO and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
| 19:56.28 | same_lost | xingu: :) |
| 19:56.30 | xingu | same_lost: anyway, this will work around your problem... so enjoy. |
| 19:56.37 | keith80403 | Suppose for example that I want to see whether the package "ndiswrapper-common" has any updates? |
| 19:56.47 | same_lost | xingu: printing, thx |
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| 19:56.56 | B1ST | 404 - Not Found |
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| 19:57.35 | d00gster | when I set the drivers to i810 I get this http://www.pastebin.ca/628932 |
| 19:57.36 | hark | keith80403: aptitude search ~U |
| 19:57.39 | jetscreamer | Since this wiki was getting defaced, it will remain closed for a few days until someone gives it some love (secures it, cleans it...) Thanks for your comprehension |
| 19:57.39 | B1ST | Since this wiki was getting defaced, it will remain closed for a few days until someone gives it some love (secures it, cleans it...) Thanks for your comprehension |
| 19:57.43 | streuner | B1ST: use google then |
| 19:57.43 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 19:57.54 | B1ST | defaced? |
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| 19:58.02 | jetscreamer | trashed |
| 19:58.08 | keith80403 | hark, Thanks for that! |
| 19:58.17 | streuner | dpkg, no beryl is <reply> <dpkg> beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager) |
| 19:58.17 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
| 19:58.30 | Azar | jetscreamer: lots of websites, not opening or coming out empty: internet got crazy |
| 19:58.40 | jetscreamer | streuner: seems they just took that wiki down for a bit due to vandals |
| 19:59.07 | jubeii | what is the proper command to put atheros in monitor mode? iwconfig ath0 mode monitor does not work |
| 19:59.16 | jetscreamer | Azar: huh? |
| 19:59.17 | xingu | !1.0.0.0 |
| 19:59.17 | dpkg | methinks 1.0.0.0 is - your cheap and nasty gateway is probably buggy; this is typically the address a busted DNS proxy will issue in reply to an IPv6 name to address DNS query (AAAA query-type) |
| 19:59.20 | xingu | go me. |
| 19:59.21 | keith80403 | hark, I get this: aptitude: invalid option -- U |
| 19:59.34 | jetscreamer | - maybe |
| 19:59.41 | same_lost | xingu: thx for the help, looks like i have to leave the pc. dam, i was doing good to. but now i know where to look |
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| 19:59.55 | Azar | jetscreamer: I am having long wait times to open up "some" websites like http://lxer.com ... for the past 3 weeks... |
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| 20:00.07 | pumpkin0 | what's the factiod about upgrading etch to lenny again ? |
| 20:00.16 | same_lost | MangoDebian: you too, thank you very much, you're good people |
| 20:00.17 | streuner | dpkg, beryl =~ s/<dpkg>/ / |
| 20:00.17 | dpkg | OK, streuner |
| 20:00.20 | jetscreamer | Azar: did you do a tracert to see if it's a bad hop? |
| 20:00.32 | cast | pumpkin0: use listkeys searchterm |
| 20:00.37 | jetscreamer | !etch->lenny |
| 20:00.37 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
| 20:00.50 | Azar | jetscreamer: no, xingu did it and say that some nodes are bad |
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| 20:01.10 | pumpkin0 | that sounds painfree. thanks. |
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| 20:01.20 | streuner | jetscreamer: feel free to edit the factoid if you dont get "404" anymore |
| 20:01.24 | jetscreamer | Azar: then you need to ask your isp to bitch them out i think, also they can give you a diff route... if you bitch enough |
| 20:01.26 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 20:01.45 | jetscreamer | streuner: i know i won't care or check, so not my job |
| 20:01.49 | Azar | jetscreamer: the sites are opening fine with links :) firefox and iceweasel... struggle |
| 20:02.21 | MangosDebian | Azar: what if you wget the page in question along with all graphics, flash, css etc. |
| 20:02.21 | hark | keith80403: hmm, should work |
| 20:02.25 | streuner | jetscreamer: if you arent care, you shouldnt critize then, best thing lay down in bed and do nothing |
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| 20:02.34 | jetscreamer | Azar: try mv'ing ~/.mozilla maybe and starting fresh |
| 20:02.48 | keith80403 | hark, Yes, strange that it doesn't. |
| 20:02.50 | jetscreamer | streuner: it was just data, process it |
| 20:02.55 | Azar | jetscreamer: how about a cleanup? remove and install back? :) |
| 20:02.58 | beered | is it enough to do shutdown -F to mainain ext3 partition in top shape, or do I need to do some other sck magic on top of that? |
| 20:03.06 | beered | sck = fsck |
| 20:03.08 | Azar | darn then I lose all my bookmarks |
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| 20:03.18 | jetscreamer | beered: should be fine |
| 20:03.19 | hark | keith80403: it is "aptitude search ~U" |
| 20:03.24 | jetscreamer | Azar: mv it, not rm |
| 20:03.31 | hark | don't forget the "search" |
| 20:03.34 | Azar | jetscreamer: mv as in "rename" ? |
| 20:03.37 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 20:03.59 | keith80403 | hark, Yes, that's what I typed: aptitude search -U and I got the help screen. |
| 20:04.14 | jetscreamer | Azar: if it does work, you can import your bookmarks at the very least |
| 20:04.16 | hark | keith80403: ~ not - :) |
| 20:04.25 | Azar | jetscreamer: okk :) |
| 20:04.35 | keith80403 | hark, Ah - let me try it again with the tilde.... |
| 20:04.45 | jetscreamer | Azar: if it doesn't work, you can mv it back |
| 20:04.50 | ale666 | how can i set the default shell to bash globally? root uses bash but users use sh by default. i'm on a debian. thank you. |
| 20:05.01 | keith80403 | hark, AHA - using the tilde worked - thank you. |
| 20:05.16 | Azar | jetscreamer: yeah and I will check to see if I don't accumulated "debris" on my firefox... never cleaned up |
| 20:05.16 | hark | heh, np :) |
| 20:05.17 | jlc | bbl |
| 20:05.41 | jetscreamer | and if it doesn't work you know it's not local but global |
| 20:05.58 | Azar | jetscreamer: someone complained last night about same issue... |
| 20:06.09 | Azar | tried to ask here to see if others have same experience |
| 20:06.13 | jetscreamer | no idea, works here |
| 20:06.20 | keith80403 | hark, What does the tilde do, exactly - nothing about "tilde U" in the aptitude man page. |
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| 20:06.45 | MangosDebian | Azar: does wget download the same page fine? |
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| 20:06.54 | Azar | keith80403: /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README < you got all specs there |
| 20:07.13 | Azar | MangosDebian: I use links and works 10 times better/faster than firefox |
| 20:07.17 | keith80403 | Azar, I'll check that - thank you. |
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| 20:07.54 | MangosDebian | Azar: i mean use wget and grab the full page, not just the text. wget the images, css and everything that firefox would get |
| 20:08.21 | Azar | MangosDebian: I only use wget to download packages , not websites |
| 20:08.30 | hark | keith80403: moment |
| 20:08.36 | jetscreamer | you can though |
| 20:08.59 | MangosDebian | Azar: i saying try wget a full page of a site and compare (not whole site) |
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| 20:09.01 | Azar | jetscreamer: links works better for both: surfing and downloading :) |
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| 20:09.30 | MangosDebian | Azar: unless your sure its only a firefox issue |
| 20:09.40 | Azar | MangosDebian: yes wget works fine |
| 20:09.41 | ale666 | how can i set the default shell to bash globally? root uses bash but users use sh by default. i'm on a debian. thank you. |
| 20:10.04 | Azar | I would not wonder, honorables, I use an old firefox version... |
| 20:10.15 | MangosDebian | Azar: CTRL+J, it empty? |
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| 20:10.30 | Azar | MangosDebian: nope |
| 20:10.31 | hark | keith80403: see http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/ch02s03.html |
| 20:10.39 | MangosDebian | Azar: how many items? |
| 20:11.00 | keith80403 | hark, I'll check that URL.... |
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| 20:14.09 | jetscreamer | Azar: try opera or something |
| 20:14.21 | jetscreamer | there is a multitude |
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| 20:18.31 | MangosDebian | opera? is that even free? |
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| 20:22.03 | hark | no, closed source :) |
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| 20:22.06 | nash-20 | hi |
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| 20:23.27 | CharminTheMoose | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:24.27 | MangosDebian | compress it or use tar? |
| 20:24.44 | MangosDebian | don't think there's a "sparse" option for dd |
| 20:25.19 | nash-20 | i installed mozilla-mplayer and is not working in iceweasel. Do you know why? (In epiphany works fine) |
| 20:25.23 | MangosDebian | might be, take a look i guess |
| 20:25.50 | mgn | Just installed etch and KDE. My wireless wont work. I have copied the ipw2200 firmware to //lib//firmware and added the ipw2200 module with modprobe. From dmesg|grep ipw2200 and iwconfig eth2 there doesn't seem to be a problem. Though i cant connect. When typing ifup eth2 I get: Ignoring unknown interface eth2=eth2. Anyone who can help? |
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| 20:26.07 | nash-20 | i think is a problem with /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox directory |
| 20:26.40 | nash-20 | firefox is listening that directory and mozilla-mplayer plugin is installed in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins |
| 20:26.42 | hark | d00gster: ask in the channel, don't /msg me |
| 20:27.18 | hark | !dbugs 431326 |
| 20:27.21 | dpkg | DONE:#431326:I[xserver-xorg-video-intel] xserver-xorg-video-intel: X does not start with an intel 82830 chip on a fujitsu-siemens Lifebook S6010 laptop; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 17:18:09 UTC |
| 20:27.28 | hark | d00gster: ^ |
| 20:28.41 | hark | try the driver from etch/lenny i guess |
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| 20:29.28 | hark | mgn: does iwconfig show eth2? |
| 20:29.44 | mgn | hark: Yes it does. |
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| 20:30.48 | hark | check your /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:31.45 | mgn | hark: In my /etc/network/interfaces i have only configured the loop back. That is usually working. |
| 20:31.50 | philluminati | Hi guys. I'm having a problem loading the nvidia driver. when I do lsmod it says nvidia in the top line, but when I restart the X the nvidia logo doesn't appear. Also Beryl won't work |
| 20:32.59 | Azar | philluminati: |
| 20:33.03 | Azar | !nvidia one-liner |
| 20:33.03 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
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| 20:33.45 | Azar | philluminati: all that line starting with apt-get...... ending with xserver-xorg < type at command line |
| 20:34.03 | philluminati | thanks |
| 20:34.08 | hark | mgn: try with "dhclient eth2" and then man interfaces |
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| 20:35.20 | Laserl | hi |
| 20:35.29 | Azar | philluminati: you have to have "non-free contrib" added at the end of each source line on your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
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| 20:36.40 | xand | OMG |
| 20:36.54 | philluminati | does this configuration wizard ever end? |
| 20:36.56 | Laserl | does suphp etch package work with php5 and apache 2.2? |
| 20:37.19 | xand | philluminati: yes, it only lasts for 5 months |
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| 20:38.07 | philluminati | i'm free thank god. Just gonna press ctrl+alt+backspace now and hold my breath. I may be back to thank you later... |
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| 20:38.52 | hark | place your bets :) |
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| 20:39.56 | philluminati | i'm back. but it hasn't worked again. I'm gonna try that last configure command again |
| 20:40.08 | philluminati | !nvidia one-liner |
| 20:40.08 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 20:40.10 | xand | you want screen and irssi. |
| 20:40.14 | xand | then you never have to leave! |
| 20:40.19 | xand | EVER. |
| 20:40.33 | Azar | philluminati: to explain you the configuration: your /etc/apt/sources.list has to be correct in order to be able to happily get packages installed and updates with no problem. This is how your sources.list file should show: http://www.pastebin.ca/628965 |
| 20:41.03 | Azar | philluminati: any other line refering to CD... should be # commented |
| 20:41.32 | mgn | hark: when i do that i get: No DHCPOFFERS received. No working leases in persistent database - sleeping. |
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| 20:41.37 | philluminati | It didn't fail i don't think. I already added a non-free repo when I tried an article from google |
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| 20:41.57 | philluminati | I'm really sure. I'll add your repos just to be sure and try again |
| 20:42.06 | philluminati | I'm NOT* sure really. |
| 20:42.20 | Azar | philluminati: ok, just don't over-do with repos, keep max 2 + security one |
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| 20:43.16 | Azar | if you got more repos does not mean you get more packages :) it just slows down the installation process |
| 20:43.18 | philluminati | do you get conflict problems? |
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| 20:43.52 | Azar | philluminati: if sources lines are incorrect , or point to a repository that does not belong to your Debian version...yes you get errors |
| 20:43.59 | philluminati | I know with yum some of the repos don't work together (livna / freshrpms) etc |
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| 20:44.27 | Azar | philluminati: never used yum... just aptitude or apt-get |
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| 20:44.38 | karmatronic | hi there |
| 20:46.32 | philluminati | I'm coming from fedora, hense I don't know a thing about apt-get |
| 20:46.38 | philluminati | here I go again... |
| 20:47.08 | Azar | philluminati: the /sources.list file tells apt where to go and get packages. If its content is incorrect, it will probably send apt to buy beer at a shoe store :) |
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| 20:47.23 | karmatronic | Azar: he left... |
| 20:47.29 | Azar | :) |
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| 20:48.51 | Azar | beer... not a bad idea.. |
| 20:49.00 | karmatronic | hehe |
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| 20:49.21 | Azar | yeah fortunately I have a six pack in the fridge, and a 92F temperature is a very good excuse |
| 20:49.48 | karmatronic | cool |
| 20:50.09 | B1ST | hmm, anyone got errors to doing a make menuconfig compiling a new kernel? it seems i'm missing limits.h file |
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| 20:50.57 | Azar | B1ST: would want to check procedures against a howto? |
| 20:51.12 | B1ST | yes |
| 20:51.37 | B1ST | it's a gcc problem i think |
| 20:52.03 | Azar | http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch < check the steps see what you missed |
| 20:52.15 | gimmal | anyone else has had a problem getting yiff sound server to work? SearchAndRescue wants to use it, unfortunately |
| 20:52.26 | B1ST | Azar: wich howto? |
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| 20:52.40 | gimmal | better yet, had anyone else had such a problem and managed to fix it? |
| 20:52.41 | Azar | B1ST: http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch |
| 20:52.44 | gimmal | '/etc/init.d/yiff-wtf start' works, but then SAR can't connect to it |
| 20:52.50 | B1ST | ty |
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| 20:54.25 | Azar | anyone here from scotland? |
| 20:54.48 | karmatronic | Azar: cool link |
| 20:55.02 | Azar | karmatronic: yeah that guy produces nice howto-s |
| 20:55.15 | karmatronic | Azar: no i mean the entire web page |
| 20:55.21 | Supaplex | Azar: do ancestors count? ;) |
| 20:55.51 | Azar | Supaplex: hahaha...eh no, I am just dying with curiosity to hear more about what happened last week (weather stuff) |
| 20:56.11 | Supaplex | hehe can't help ya there. :P |
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| 20:56.22 | Azar | news mention only England.... but I have a hunch scottland had some interesting events |
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| 21:01.09 | B1ST | yeah Azar tnx for the doc |
| 21:01.11 | drwahl | i'm looking for some detailed info on "sed". any one have a link? |
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| 21:02.48 | philluminati | Still nothing. I just edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf with vi and explicitly set the driver from nv to nvidia and restarted X and still nothing |
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| 21:03.33 | Studiosus | drwah apt-get install sed-doc |
| 21:03.42 | Studiosus | drwahl apt-get install sed-doc |
| 21:03.46 | lewis222 | weird - on the etch installer, my standard keyboard doesn't work.... |
| 21:03.51 | Azar | philluminati: you just CAN'T do that! |
| 21:04.04 | lewis222 | I can press Enter to start the installer, but when it comes to choosing a language, it doesn't work. Any ideas? |
| 21:04.06 | Azar | philluminati: open up xorg.conf file and READ the header note |
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| 21:04.19 | Studiosus | drwahl apt-get install sed; info sed |
| 21:04.46 | krazykit | lewis222, it's a ps/2 keyboard? |
| 21:04.55 | lewis222 | yeh |
| 21:05.04 | lewis222 | I have now tried two different ones... |
| 21:05.08 | Azar | philluminati: to configure xorg, you issue : dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg << that's the correct configuration work |
| 21:05.13 | krazykit | hm. no usb adapter? |
| 21:05.13 | philluminati | lol :-D |
| 21:05.16 | lewis222 | weird - never happened before... |
| 21:05.37 | Azar | philluminati: so do that, slowly for each step... make sure you enter correct answers |
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| 21:06.28 | Azar | philluminati: and it is wise to perform configuration with X closed, at command line , as root. No need to reboot |
| 21:06.42 | drwahl | Studiosus: thank you |
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| 21:07.13 | philluminati | ok, ok. I know I shouldn't of done that...The only question I care about on the config tool is what the driver is called. I just choose "nvidia" over the built in nv driver. That's supposed to be right isn't it? |
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| 21:07.21 | Azar | philluminati: when done, just move to user from root, and type: startx |
| 21:08.00 | Azar | philluminati: the "nv" driver is the free, 2D version, the "nvidia" is the proprietary, 3D version |
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| 21:09.01 | Azar | philluminati: or, you can try again the nvidia one-liner command, being careful to enter it "exactly" as is, with spaces and characters, &, ', `, ..etc |
| 21:09.18 | gimmal | uh, i expect to get flamed for this, sure, but anyone ever heard of a package repo that has some special audio codecs and whatnot, packaged as debs? (can't remember the name of it - used to be like perso.wanadoo.fr or some shytte) |
| 21:09.22 | Azar | philluminati: |
| 21:09.25 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.26 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.33 | Azar | one line ^^^^ |
| 21:09.34 | gimmal | sure, that wasn't such flaim-bait after all |
| 21:09.49 | philluminati | I copied and pasted it tho, and I added the nvidia-glx-aui (or whatever) to the apt-get parameter line |
| 21:10.12 | Azar | philluminati: try the original line, don't add anything.. |
| 21:10.30 | Azar | philluminati: you can get extras by later typing in : apt-get install <packagename> |
| 21:10.39 | philluminati | ok. I have an amd64 machine tho |
| 21:10.56 | philluminati | !nvidia one-liner |
| 21:10.56 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 21:11.11 | Azar | philluminati: then install the nvidia-glx-ia32 first :) |
| 21:11.21 | Azar | then do the one-line |
| 21:11.29 | lewis222 | bah - got a USB keyboard, it works. why doesn't a PS/2 work with etch? |
| 21:11.45 | xand | lewis222: it does |
| 21:12.12 | lewis222 | apologies - I meant, why was I encountering difficulties in using one in the installer, when I haven't before? |
| 21:12.19 | philluminati | ok here we go! |
| 21:12.26 | xand | no idea without more details ;) |
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| 21:13.29 | krazykit | lewis222, maybe you just have some strange board or something |
| 21:13.34 | lewis222 | well, things are working now with a USB one, though I am baffled as to why two separate PS/2 ones weren't working. I could use the keyboard at the boot selection menu, though not on the language selection part... |
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| 21:17.42 | Kaiten4 | If I change my 32bit sources to 64 bit souces, apt-get dist-upgrade, I can sucessfully change my system to 64 correct? |
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| 21:18.45 | Azar | Kaiten4: you dont need to use dist-upgrade, if you do not intend to change the Debian version, just use aptitude update , aptitude upgrade |
| 21:19.41 | Kaiten4 | Azar: So it I just upgraded directly from 32 two bit to 64 bit, it would theoretically work, yes? |
| 21:20.20 | Azar | Kaiten4: I am not sure why you will change from 32 to 64 (if everything works) but if you do, you need to change the KERNEL, not the sources |
| 21:20.37 | Azar | Kaiten4: apt-cache search linux-image... look on the list |
| 21:21.12 | Azar | Kaiten4: that only _shows_ you the linux kernel types: intel, amd, amd32, amd64...etc |
| 21:21.13 | Kaiten4 | Azar: I was thinking that, but I'll need libraries and such to run amd 64 executables |
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| 21:21.38 | Azar | Kaiten4: never had a 64, but you can try it. You run Etch? |
| 21:21.47 | Kaiten4 | Azar: lenny |
| 21:22.07 | Azar | Kaiten4: oh.. ok not so stable... well, try it. If it breaks... I can't help you |
| 21:22.12 | Kaiten4 | okay |
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| 21:22.56 | Azar | Kaiten4: after you find your "k8" linux-image, write the line down, then: aptitude install linux-image-(version#)-blablalba |
| 21:23.27 | Kaiten4 | I just thought about running 64 bit again, see if the port has become more usable |
| 21:23.52 | Kaiten4 | I gave up about two years ago |
| 21:24.00 | Azar | Kaiten4: well try it. Just make sure you pick a k8 (amd46) |
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| 21:24.11 | Azar | err amd64 |
| 21:24.19 | Kaiten4 | I mean there has to be performance gains using 64 bit extensions, no? |
| 21:24.41 | Azar | Kaiten4: no idea, just read that it will not run ok with 32bit apps... |
| 21:24.52 | Azar | Kaiten4: so you will be limited |
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| 21:25.38 | Azar | ....well you know, whatever people talk about... never paid much atttention to 64bit apps |
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| 21:25.59 | zinx | running a amd64 kernel won't get you 64-bit apps, the arch is hardcoded in to the package manager |
| 21:26.12 | zinx | you can't currently switch architectures in debian |
| 21:26.19 | zinx | (without reinstalling) |
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| 21:30.03 | philluminati | Since I copied your apt sources, apt doesn't work. It complains the sources doesn't contain 64bit versions |
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| 21:30.12 | philluminati | and still no luck getting this driver to work |
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| 21:35.27 | philluminati | can someone with an AMD64 please paste their /etc/apt/sources.list file into a paste bin for me please? |
| 21:36.43 | lewis222 | clear |
| 21:36.45 | lewis222 | oops |
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| 21:37.44 | lewis222 | what is the raidtools package called? |
| 21:37.59 | lewis222 | mdadm? |
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| 21:39.15 | acu | is Intel® Pentium® Dual-Core Processor T2080 64 bit processor ? |
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| 21:42.50 | xand | o.o |
| 21:42.59 | xand | acu: yes it is |
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| 21:43.05 | xand | erm |
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| 21:43.38 | bubbeh | how do i let users read/write to a fat32 partition? |
| 21:43.56 | bubbeh | chmodding /mnt/storage won't work |
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| 21:44.06 | bubbeh | i added the rw flag in /etc/fstab |
| 21:44.32 | krazykit | bubbeh, you COULD mount it with gid=somegroup and add those users to the group and make sure the permissions allow for group editing |
| 21:45.02 | bubbeh | well it's just one group |
| 21:45.03 | acu | xand: thanks - is it worth - best buy has a compak with Intel® Pentium® Dual-Core Processor T2080 with only $450 - the price is excellent if the chip is 64 bit - but I was always confused (I was sure that intel core2 duo is 64 bit but not for others) |
| 21:45.06 | bubbeh | err user |
| 21:45.17 | bubbeh | krazykit: how do i edit the permissions for the drive |
| 21:45.55 | xand | acu: well I *think* it's 64-bit :) |
| 21:46.40 | krazykit | bubbeh, you mount -o gid=somegroup (or add it to fstab) and put the users in the group. then, you'd make sure perms are fine (edit them with chmod) |
| 21:46.59 | krazykit | well, actually, chmod doesn't do anything to fat32, i don't think |
| 21:47.06 | bubbeh | hmm |
| 21:47.08 | krazykit | the gid=somegroup should be sufficient |
| 21:47.21 | bubbeh | no way to get it so it just lets one user |
| 21:47.23 | bubbeh | read/write |
| 21:47.37 | krazykit | oh, only one? |
| 21:47.40 | krazykit | use uid instead |
| 21:47.44 | bubbeh | alright |
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| 21:48.04 | bubbeh | so something like mount -t auto /dev/hdd1 /mnt/storage --uid=bubbeh |
| 21:48.05 | bubbeh | ? |
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| 21:49.57 | NigelS | bubbeh: yeah though I think auto is redundant since its the default iirc, you can put uid= etc in fstab |
| 21:50.16 | krazykit | bubbeh, mount -t auto -o uid=bubbeh /dev/blahblah /mnt/whatever |
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| 21:50.47 | bubbeh | k thanks |
| 21:51.57 | bubbeh | what does the entry |
| 21:52.01 | bubbeh | to fstab look like krazykit |
| 21:52.14 | bubbeh | where do i add the uid=bubbeh part |
| 21:52.32 | Intensity | Hi. I'm attempting to get any vnc solution working on debian-3.1. The Linux server is remote, and locally I am running Windows. I have tried tightvnc and realvnc. In both cases, text is rendered fine, but graphics are rendered as either a black box, or as a somewhat random assortment of pixels (for instance, when I try to 'xv desktop.jpg' it shows random noise). I've set maximum color depth. Running something like firefox will show |
| 21:52.32 | Intensity | "back" and "forward" text near the buttons, but the buttons themselves are solid black. Any idea what might be wrong? |
| 21:52.32 | Intensity | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:54.10 | krazykit | bubbeh, add the uid part to <options> for that enry |
| 21:54.14 | krazykit | entry |
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| 22:03.58 | JKnife | What file is he talking about here? http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-gnome-maintainers/2006-December/029789.html ? |
| 22:04.12 | JKnife | like what file has "cp -ar $(BUILD_DIR) $(BUILD_SHARED_DIR)" |
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| 22:11.22 | anapivirtua_ | Good evening / Bonsoir / Mooh / (kikoolol epiknet) |
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| 22:12.29 | xingu | JKnife: debian/rules at a guess |
| 22:15.18 | JKnife | checked there :X |
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| 22:17.13 | davidL | Is paravirt_ops still a GPL-only symbol in the latest Debian unstable kernel? |
| 22:18.38 | ale666 | dpkg |
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| 22:18.58 | ale666 | dpkg sleftell |
| 22:19.34 | themill | davidL: it's not from 2.6.22 on |
| 22:20.17 | davidL | themill: do you know when 2.6.22 will be in unstable? |
| 22:20.30 | themill | davidL: no idea. -rc5 is in experimental |
| 22:20.43 | davidL | themill: I see. thank you |
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| 22:21.53 | themill | davidL: kernels take a while to lick in to shape and make sure all the modules packages will work with them before they make it into debian. |
| 22:22.33 | themill | davidL: it's a QA thing.... if you really want bleeding edge, you can pull vanilla kernel. If you want debian refinement, you have to wait ;) |
| 22:22.52 | davidL | it's probably going to be few months then, eh? |
| 22:22.53 | subx | whats a name of a package what will allow me to snapshot my desktop? |
| 22:23.15 | zinx | subx: what desktop environment? |
| 22:23.19 | subx | yes |
| 22:23.27 | subx | fluxbox |
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| 22:24.21 | zinx | subx: you can use something like scrot (own package) or import (from imagemagick) |
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| 22:24.48 | subx | ok |
| 22:24.52 | subx | thank you |
| 22:24.52 | zinx | subx: there's also a gkrellm plugin, a gnome program, and a kde program |
| 22:25.07 | zinx | gimp will do it too |
| 22:25.17 | subx | did somone just call me a gimp? |
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| 22:27.32 | themill | davidL: not that long.... normally within a month of release. |
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| 22:29.47 | CppIsWeird | can anyone throw me an approximation of resources used by gnome vs xfce please? |
| 22:30.10 | xlotlu | what's the "standard" way to bring up a wirelless interface automatically when found? |
| 22:30.12 | JKnife | gnome = 110-130Meg ram, XFCE can fin into 80meg ram |
| 22:30.36 | CppIsWeird | thanks |
| 22:30.48 | JKnife | CppIsWeird, the the features at that small cost of ram is worth it |
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| 22:31.11 | CppIsWeird | yeah, i agree |
| 22:31.20 | CppIsWeird | how bad is kde? |
| 22:31.37 | JKnife | :X better ask someone else on that one |
| 22:31.57 | CppIsWeird | why's that? |
| 22:32.36 | JKnife | cause I dislike it |
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| 22:32.54 | JKnife | lets leave it at that to avoid flame wars ^-^ |
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| 22:33.29 | CppIsWeird | good grief, dont want those... *looks left, looks right* |
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| 22:35.43 | philluminati | Hi guys. Can someone paste their /etc/apt/sources.list file into a pastebin for me so I can restore mine? |
| 22:35.48 | JKnife | you know what... |
| 22:35.54 | Tolliver | Can someone please help me with my nvidia 3d drviers? |
| 22:36.29 | philluminati | copy the command below: |
| 22:36.34 | Tolliver | I'm in X now with my 3d drivers working, but when I reboot I X crashes on me. |
| 22:36.36 | philluminati | !nvidia one-liner |
| 22:36.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
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| 22:38.44 | Tolliver | I installed Nvidia's package from their site. |
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| 22:38.55 | Tolliver | 100.14.11 |
| 22:39.11 | war | in testing after I apt-get dist-upgrade this morning my fonts in firefox are bigger, what happened and how do I fix this? |
| 22:39.13 | war | anyone? |
| 22:39.27 | n3kl | Anyone know if the celeron mobile is capable of cpu frequency scaling? Which module do I need to load? |
| 22:39.49 | JKnife | Tolliver, add nvidia to your modules autoload |
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| 22:40.28 | Tolliver | Ok |
| 22:40.30 | JKnife | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.36 | JKnife | just add nvidia to that file |
| 22:40.40 | Tolliver | Thx |
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| 22:44.57 | Luria | i'm sorry if missed something obvious here, but im trying to reboot an etch machine which runs on an encrypted volume. Is there any way to remotely enter the pass phrase? Anything, including pointers to docs is appreciated. |
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| 22:49.28 | B1ST | hi i just installed lilo .. but no lilo.conf? |
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| 22:50.28 | philluminati | no. lilo loads your choices into the bootloader with it. |
| 22:50.49 | philluminati | If you change your options you have to put a new copy of lilo in the bootloader again |
| 22:50.51 | B1ST | nvm, had to do liloconf |
| 22:51.26 | B1ST | Fatal: Cannot open: /etc/lilo.conf |
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| 22:52.09 | philluminati | I keep getting this error message: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org etch/updates/./ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_.__binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 22:52.14 | philluminati | what can I do? |
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| 22:52.48 | themill | philluminati: what's in your sources.list |
| 22:53.28 | philluminati | something I copied off someone earlier. He told me it was better than what I already had. Obviously now |
| 22:53.31 | philluminati | not* |
| 22:54.03 | philluminati | let me show you in a paste bin.....2 secs |
| 22:54.40 | themill | !security |
| 22:54.40 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
| 22:55.15 | philluminati | here's the contents of my sources.list: http://pastebin.com/m356e977d |
| 22:55.43 | themill | philluminati: line 13 looks very wrong |
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| 22:56.39 | themill | philluminati: you also shouldn't need non-US stuff any more. that went out with sarge |
| 22:56.59 | themill | philluminati: and three lines of beryl stuff is overkill... one is enough :) |
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| 22:57.27 | philluminati | alright. I've removed the beryl thing on the end of the line and the other dupe, leaving just one. I've also deleted the non-us source entry. |
| 22:57.36 | philluminati | Thanks...I'll just try again |
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| 22:57.57 | themill | philluminati: yep. aptitude update and then do whatever it was you were doing |
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| 22:58.08 | axos88 | Hi! Can anyone help me with enableing nvidia direct rendering on a 8600 GS card? |
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| 22:59.42 | philluminati | ok that's helped some. Now I seem to get this error message: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/Release Unable to find expected entry non-freedeb/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
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| 23:00.18 | themill | philluminati: what command was that from? |
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| 23:00.29 | MoDaX | !nvidia one-liner |
| 23:00.29 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 23:00.33 | philluminati | apt-get update |
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| 23:00.53 | philluminati | I'm new to debian (come from fedora) so i'm not really sure how to use apt-get. |
| 23:00.55 | axos88 | MoDaX, i have the nvidia drivers installed |
| 23:01.04 | themill | philluminati: ok so there's still something strange in your sources.list. can you pastebin it again? |
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| 23:01.11 | philluminati | sure |
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| 23:01.36 | dkg | philluminati: I recommend you read through the APT HOWTO located on the Debian website. |
| 23:01.37 | MoDaX | axos88: by apt as above? |
| 23:01.50 | Tolliver | JKnife: I added that to modules and it still crashed. |
| 23:01.59 | JKnife | umm |
| 23:02.09 | themill | philluminati: (and welcome to a much saner and faster package manager than yum :) |
| 23:02.12 | JKnife | that is what you get for not doing it the debian way :/ |
| 23:02.13 | philluminati | this is what it looks like now: http://pastebin.com/m10ccc5f8 |
| 23:02.37 | Tolliver | Can I do it the debian way? |
| 23:02.38 | themill | philluminati: line 12 shouldn't have the final deb. |
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| 23:02.49 | themill | philluminati: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 23:03.59 | themill | philluminati: btw you can probably comment out your cdrom entry now too as you'll probably just pull packages directly from oregonstate when you need them |
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| 23:05.47 | philluminati | yey! it worked without errors! Thanks guys, your awesome! |
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| 23:06.00 | philluminati | I'll just comment out those cd entries now. |
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| 23:06.40 | themill | philluminati: np. as dkg said, the howto might be worth reading so you can see the normal structure of the lines in your sources.list |
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| 23:08.08 | philluminati | yeah I will do. Am I right in thinking that's pretty much the biggest difference between debian and fedora? |
| 23:08.19 | philluminati | (aside from the fact i'm using Kde now)? |
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| 23:09.09 | themill | philluminati: I have generally felt that debian is better integrated than fedora. The repos are much larger so I don't have to stray from them and so don't hit dependency hell. |
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| 23:10.02 | dkg | themill: Wow. Acknowledement. |
| 23:10.06 | vorpal | philluminati: redhat and clones use a slightly different configuration scheme for certain things. but ultimately they all talk to the kernel, so it's not difficult to adjust |
| 23:10.39 | themill | philluminati: there can be slightly different places for config files /etc/default vs /etc/sysconfig |
| 23:10.48 | themill | dkg: :) |
| 23:11.16 | philluminati | what's in /etc/default? |
| 23:11.22 | philluminati | don't worry, i'll look |
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| 23:14.56 | hilbert94 | Hello! What is the preferred way on a Debian system to add a net route to the kernel routing table? Manually I would do for example "route add -net 192.168.1.0/24 gw 192.168.0.1". Is there any config file for this? |
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| 23:15.20 | themill | hilbert94: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:15.38 | themill | !tell hilbert94 about interfaces |
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| 23:16.45 | war | After I ran apt-get dist-upgrade this morning (run it once a week) my firefox (UI) fonts are screwed up, anyone else affected?? |
| 23:17.00 | themill | war: etch? lenny? |
| 23:17.23 | jubeii | what is the proper command to put atheros in monitor mode? iwconfig ath0 mode monitor does not work |
| 23:17.31 | hilbert94 | themill: Thanks. I am looking at the manpage for interfaces. I thought this file is just for configuring interfaces... and not for network-routes |
| 23:17.53 | war | themill: lenny |
| 23:17.57 | war | themill: they look horrible |
| 23:18.00 | war | themill: :( |
| 23:18.08 | war | themill: vertically streched |
| 23:18.21 | war | I changed nothing except ran apt-get dist-upgrae... |
| 23:18.48 | MoDaX | war: fc-cache -fv |
| 23:18.52 | MoDaX | as root |
| 23:19.18 | war | k sec |
| 23:19.35 | MoDaX | war: were any packages removed during upgrade? |
| 23:20.05 | themill | war: if you used aptitude then it would be logged in /var/log/aptitude... |
| 23:20.24 | themill | war: since you used apt-get, you could try the dpkg logs in the same place |
| 23:20.47 | war | k checking |
| 23:20.53 | war | fc-cache: succeeded |
| 23:20.55 | war | re-running ff |
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| 23:21.42 | war | hmm they still are the same it appears |
| 23:21.46 | war | I can take a ss. |
| 23:22.32 | MoDaX | war: could you post a screenshot? |
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| 23:22.56 | MoDaX | and only ff (iceweasel?) is affected? |
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| 23:23.41 | war | MoDaX: firefox only yeah gimp/xchat is fine :( |
| 23:25.25 | hilbert94 | themill: I do not see how to setup an additional network-route via /etc/network/interfaces. Can you give my a hint? |
| 23:25.56 | war | MoDaX: http://iniquity.net/~war/ff.png |
| 23:26.13 | war | the fonts are all elongated vertically |
| 23:26.19 | war | for the menu bar / UI for ff. |
| 23:26.51 | themill | hilbert94: isn't the "gateway" what you're looking for? |
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| 23:27.14 | themill | hilbert94: btw is you're network really segmented such that you need that? |
| 23:27.14 | sparr | Can anyone recommend a mail client that can handle deleting old messages from the server while keeping them locally on an IMAP account? |
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| 23:27.52 | MoDaX | sparr: any which supports dimap |
| 23:28.18 | hilbert94 | themill: Yes. I need something like this! It's an additional route for a network where there is no corresponding interface on this host. |
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| 23:28.33 | JeffH | After installing spamassassin is there anything that needs to be done to enable bayzien(sp) filtering? |
| 23:28.46 | MoDaX | war: hmm, I don't see anything wrong with them |
| 23:28.52 | S4nD3r | Id like to learn latex |
| 23:29.02 | S4nD3r | what do I use in my gnome box/??? |
| 23:29.10 | sparr | MoDaX: can you elaborate? |
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| 23:29.33 | themill | !tell S4nD3r about latex |
| 23:29.35 | war | MoDaX: they are longer than they were before dist-upgrade |
| 23:29.55 | valdyn | sparr: what's the 'server', another imap account? pop3? |
| 23:30.16 | MoDaX | sparr: disconnected IMAP lets you download messages from the server (for offline reading). |
| 23:30.38 | S4nD3r | ? |
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| 23:30.46 | S4nD3r | Im looking for a editor to latex |
| 23:30.55 | valdyn | S4nD3r: vim |
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| 23:31.05 | vorpal | JeffH: yes, you'll have to setup procmail, and then train spamassassin |
| 23:31.08 | themill | hilbert94: you could use the post-up if nothing else.... but you're stretching my knowledge of network routing here. (I can't think how you'd make the situation you describe.... it's either direct or through the default gateway) |
| 23:31.09 | sparr | valdyn: it is imap |
| 23:31.12 | sparr | MoDaX: can you name one? |
| 23:31.23 | themill | S4nD3r: I use kile (kde). You might like to look at lyx |
| 23:31.36 | S4nD3r | ok then |
| 23:31.39 | S4nD3r | bye |
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| 23:31.50 | MoDaX | sparr: thunderbird, kmail, evolution (probably) |
| 23:32.02 | sparr | MoDaX: how do you do it in thunderbird? |
| 23:32.06 | JeffH | vorpal: hm.. even when using postfix/amavis-new? |
| 23:32.17 | hilbert94 | themill: This situation occurs within a VPN setup and this is NOT a default route, but just a route for a specific network. |
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| 23:32.45 | themill | hilbert94: ahh.... I see. I normally leave that to the vpn setup tools :) |
| 23:32.46 | hilbert94 | themill: For sure I could use route directly, but I thought there might be a "Debian-way" |
| 23:32.57 | MoDaX | sparr: setup disconnected IMAP account and see. I don't use dimap myself |
| 23:33.09 | themill | hilbert94: what sort of vpn is it? |
| 23:33.19 | sparr | MoDaX: ive used the 'make available offline' option... but how do i delete them from the server then? |
| 23:33.21 | MoDaX | neither I use thunderbird |
| 23:33.29 | hilbert94 | hilbert94: but it's on hosts where the VPN-daemons do not run. They are "behind" the VPN-Gateway... |
| 23:33.33 | hilbert94 | OpenVPN |
| 23:33.34 | sparr | MoDaX: can you name one client that i can do this in? |
| 23:34.03 | vorpal | JeffH: never used postfix, so i can't help there |
| 23:34.06 | valdyn | sparr: why dont you use say 'fetchmail' to grab the mail and dump it locally? |
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| 23:34.43 | MoDaX | sparr: you can also copy mail to local folder with any mail client (i believe) |
| 23:34.49 | sparr | valdyn: getting the mail isn't a problem. deleting it from the server seamlessly is. right now ive got a simple two-step solution, but i would like to eliminate at least one of those steps :) |
| 23:34.50 | themill | hilbert94: you're trying to bridge machines that are behind the vpn server back to the client end. I *think* I understand now. |
| 23:34.54 | sparr | MoDaX: that is what i am doing now |
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| 23:35.16 | MoDaX | sparr: basically you want imap to work like pop3 |
| 23:35.17 | hilbert94 | I am not bridging, I am routing. |
| 23:35.29 | sparr | MoDaX: ok |
| 23:36.27 | Supaplex | forget bridging and routing, let's play texas holdem |
| 23:36.50 | MoDaX | sparr: couldn't you just setup a rule/filter to do this for you automatically? |
| 23:37.02 | valdyn | sparr: i dont really see which part fetchmail lacks, it can flush fetched mails.. |
| 23:37.04 | themill | hilbert94: sorry... I'm out of ideas. I wouldn't have thought it was that hard as it sounds like a pretty standard sort of thing to do. But I've never done it :) |
| 23:37.07 | MoDaX | I mean copy/move message |
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| 23:37.55 | MoDaX | IMAP was designed exacly for the opposite |
| 23:38.02 | hilbert94 | hilbert94: If it would be standard I wouldn't ask. But I think I could really use post-up to run the route command. |
| 23:38.48 | themill | hilbert94: you can certainly use post-up for it. Good luck ;) |
| 23:38.59 | hilbert94 | themill: thanks! |
| 23:39.19 | themill | hilbert94: not sure that I was that much help, but np! |
| 23:39.23 | MoDaX | war: which font is that? |
| 23:39.49 | MoDaX | war: I doubt you want 'condensed' variant |
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| 23:40.54 | MoDaX | war: maybe try moving ff profile out of the way and try with a new one |
| 23:41.12 | no3sc | It seems like I have some problems with my fglrx drivers. I strongly believe that there is some problems with the installation of the driver. Anyone care to help me out? |
| 23:41.26 | valdyn | !tell no3sc -about ask |
| 23:42.44 | Azar | no3sc: give some hardware specs, and "how" did you installed your fglrx driver. What errors you get, or what is the problem? |
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| 23:43.12 | war | MoDaX: I edited the userChrome and was able to fix it |
| 23:43.20 | war | made the UI use a different font, etc |
| 23:43.23 | war | works for me |
| 23:43.33 | no3sc | Well, I used Module-assisstant and fglrx-kernel-src. And some program for setting up the X server config. |
| 23:43.57 | MoDaX | war: ok |
| 23:43.59 | no3sc | I have a Hp pavilion zd8368ea with ati radeon mobility x600 |
| 23:44.09 | themill | no3sc: what kernel (output of uname -r) |
| 23:44.11 | war | thanx though ;) |
| 23:44.29 | MoDaX | no3sc: what's the problem? |
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| 23:45.04 | no3sc | themill: Using Stable Debian with 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 23:46.19 | themill | no3sc: ok -- so what didn't work. error messages you can pastebin? |
| 23:46.21 | no3sc | MoDaX: I don't know really. When I installed debian some time ago (when etch was about to get finished I think) I did't have any probs at all, everything was smooth and fine. And now (when I reinstalled Debian after trying out fedora a day or two) everthing in X is choppy and slowly updated |
| 23:47.15 | no3sc | I don't get any errors. The system seems to feel "fine" :P |
| 23:47.27 | no3sc | It's just my experience that everything graphical is slow. |
| 23:47.27 | Azar | no3sc: |
| 23:47.33 | Azar | !fglrx one-liner |
| 23:47.33 | dpkg | it has been said that fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 23:47.38 | themill | no3sc: warnings or errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 23:47.39 | MoDaX | no3sc: if I were you I would go with opensource ati driver |
| 23:48.15 | no3sc | Azar: I have done that. |
| 23:48.16 | MoDaX | no3sc: but upload /var/log/Xorg.0.log to pastebin |
| 23:48.23 | Azar | no3sc: if you got non-free contrib added to your sources.list, type all that long command (with all spaces and symbols) as command |
| 23:48.32 | no3sc | MoDaX: The opensource don't have 3d acceleration? Or am I wrong? |
| 23:48.50 | themill | no3sc: 3d depends on the card |
| 23:48.53 | no3sc | Azar: Yes i do have non-free and contrib |
| 23:48.55 | MoDaX | no3sc: it does (for your card). but it's slower |
| 23:49.46 | Azar | no3sc: when you did installed Debian Etch (stable) did you opt for a desktop installation? |
| 23:49.58 | no3sc | Azar: Nope. |
| 23:50.02 | MoDaX | but fglrx is such _crap_ that I even prefer vesa over it |
| 23:50.02 | Azar | no3sc: a desktop installation installs X and drivers |
| 23:50.06 | no3sc | Just Laptop and base |
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| 23:50.32 | Azar | no3sc: I never used ati so I could not exactly tell you how to configure, more than the one-liner |
| 23:50.51 | MoDaX | no3sc: lsmod | grep fglrx |
| 23:50.51 | Azar | no3sc: but if you would have installed Desktop, you would have everything setup from installation |
| 23:51.15 | MoDaX | Azar: definitely not fglrx drivers |
| 23:51.51 | no3sc | fglrx 396940 8 |
| 23:51.51 | Azar | no3sc: keep this howto for further attempts at a correct install: http://www.howtoforge.com/the_perfect_desktop_debian_etch |
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| 23:52.14 | MoDaX | no3sc: glxinfo | grep direct |
| 23:52.16 | no3sc | Azar: The thing is that I tried to install testing. But got alot of problems with fglrx (could not install it at all) |
| 23:52.27 | no3sc | MoDaX: Don't have glxinfo |
| 23:52.36 | MoDaX | no3sc: install mesa-utils |
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| 23:53.39 | ichdasich | hi. |
| 23:54.35 | ichdasich | is there a good howto concerning isa-stuff and etch? im somewhat screwed with udev and the isanic i need to use. |
| 23:55.03 | valdyn | ichdasich: what the hell is udev supposed to have to do with an isa nic? |
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| 23:55.38 | valdyn | ichdasich: udev manages your /dev/ and autoloading of drivers. Both is irrelevant for an isa nic |
| 23:55.40 | ichdasich | valdyn: the howto's i found prefer hotplug. and hotplug depends on udev not beein installed. ;-) |
| 23:55.47 | no3sc | MoDaX: Hmm it says that I have Direct rendering.. |
| 23:55.54 | themill | no3sc: are there warnings (WW) or errors (EE) in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 23:56.00 | valdyn | ichdasich: forget about both, there's no 'auto' anything with isa |
| 23:56.04 | no3sc | themill: I'll check |
| 23:56.14 | ichdasich | valdyn: ah, k. |
| 23:56.51 | ichdasich | so what to do? |
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| 23:57.22 | valdyn | ichdasich: you load the driver for that nic |
| 23:57.25 | MoDaX | ichdasich: load module manually (put it to /etc/modules to load on boot) |
| 23:57.37 | no3sc | themill: I'll paste it to your query |
| 23:57.51 | MoDaX | no3sc: no, use pastebin |
| 23:57.55 | MoDaX | !pastebin |
| 23:57.55 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
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| 23:58.24 | chemist | !pastebin pipe |
| 23:58.24 | dpkg | To pipe your output: curl -i# -F 'code2= lt;-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 23:58.58 | no3sc | MoDaX: Well I didn't know the allowed amount of paste (This was just one line though) So I just did it the non-flooding way that don't take 4 min to complete |
| 23:59.20 | themill | no3sc: please use pastbin don't msg ppl directly (/topic) |
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| 23:59.31 | MoDaX | no3sc: one line is ok to channel |
| 23:59.57 | themill | no3sc: when you send it to me directly, noone else sees it (and I'm about to go to bed so that won't help you!) |
