| 00:00.27 | no3sc | (WW) fglrx(0): board is an unknown third party board, chipset is supported <- Thats the only warning I get in the log file. |
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| 00:06.24 | no3sc | I know that it's a HP board (it's integrated into my laptop) But HP don't have drivers for linux. And before when I used Etch, it was no problem at all. Everthing was really smooth. |
| 00:06.29 | Azar | no3sc: how old/new is your video card? |
| 00:06.38 | no3sc | about 1,5 year |
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| 00:06.47 | no3sc | *since I bought the laptop* |
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| 00:07.13 | x_link | d |
| 00:07.15 | no3sc | I don't know how long the card existed at the marked. It is a Ati radeon mobility x600 |
| 00:07.24 | dan2 | where's abrotman |
| 00:07.30 | jzxu | I want to be able to sudo some commands without providing a password, like ifconfig, but I want to run others requiring a password, like apt-get. I tried to have two lines in visudo, one with NOPASSWD and one without, but it seems like I don't need a password for any commands now. What gives? |
| 00:07.31 | Azar | no3sc: not sure if your current kernel has the driver for your card, try to find out |
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| 00:07.43 | Azar | dan2: is saturday, I guess abrotman took weekend off |
| 00:07.50 | dan2 | Azar: never! |
| 00:08.04 | Azar | dan2: he is not on freenode atm... |
| 00:08.07 | dan2 | Azar: that guy is glued to his seat and in hear non-stop 20hrs a day |
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| 00:08.21 | Azar | dan2: games happen, he might be at some game |
| 00:08.27 | dan2 | heh |
| 00:08.28 | ctatuk | Are there any 2.4 kernel packages for sid? |
| 00:08.49 | the_angry_angel | Hi guys, I'm running a test box on lenny and exim-config for exim4.67-5 doesn't appear to create any split config files at all. Would anyone know if this is a change that I'm too blind to see documented, or an issue with the package? |
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| 00:09.11 | krazykit | ctatuk, no. |
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| 00:09.18 | ctatuk | k |
| 00:10.00 | Azar | no3sc: did you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg .. just to see what driver options you got? |
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| 00:10.09 | no3sc | Azar: I tried to install testing. But got alot of problems with kernel-headers and stuff I know nothing about. So I just went the "easy" way and installed Stable. But hey, here's some problems too. |
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| 00:10.42 | no3sc | hmm yes. But what do you mean with "driver options" more specificly |
| 00:10.55 | Azar | no3sc: if you were installing Debian 4.0 Etch stable with a Desktop option (in tasksel) it would have automatically configured for you |
| 00:11.35 | Azar | no3sc: for example, when I run reconfigure, I am given two options: nv or nvidia... there is a list to pick from |
| 00:11.38 | jimdigriz | rewrite will take place before before the php interpreter is even fired off...so no |
| 00:11.59 | jimdigriz | gahhhh wrong window |
| 00:12.21 | Azar | no3sc: so run it see if you can come out with something from that list |
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| 00:12.42 | Lorina | hi |
| 00:12.51 | no3sc | Azar: I get a huge list :P But the two most relevant should be "ati" and "fglrx" |
| 00:13.12 | no3sc | Vesa to maby |
| 00:13.21 | Lorina | why when I try doing a circonflex o with my keyboardlinux doesn't want |
| 00:13.22 | Azar | so no3sc ati would be I assume the 2D, fglrx would be the 3D.. |
| 00:13.35 | no3sc | Azar: Yes that's my guess to |
| 00:13.39 | Lorina | I can do ^ but not o with ^ |
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| 00:13.56 | Azar | no3sc: so try ati... then try changing to fglrx... pick the one that "just works" |
| 00:13.59 | robboplus | how do you make mysqldump skip the password part? |
| 00:14.24 | Azar | Lorina: hard to understand you, did you tried debian-fr ? |
| 00:14.28 | aao_pwner | What's a good 100% cli torrent client? |
| 00:14.28 | Azar | !debian-fr |
| 00:14.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian-fr is an association giving you some documentation: http://www.debian-fr.org/ |
| 00:14.39 | Azar | !fr |
| 00:14.39 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:14.41 | no3sc | Azar: As I said. The drivers seems to be installed right somehow. But my X is really slow on refreshing, flickering some times and takes really long time to update the Desktop and a like. |
| 00:15.32 | Lorina | there's so few person, but I try again |
| 00:15.51 | no3sc | Azar: And that problem did't excist before I tried out Fedora (and before the new kernel got out) |
| 00:15.56 | Azar | no3sc: your card working too hard... well I don't mean it but I would install Debian Etch again with the Desktop option |
| 00:16.28 | Azar | no3sc: or, try upgrading the kernel doing a backport from lenny : 2.6.20 kernel |
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| 00:16.56 | Azar | is not the "latest kernel" but it might have more video driver support |
| 00:17.07 | no3sc | Seems to advanced for me atm =) |
| 00:17.09 | Azar | !backport |
| 00:17.10 | dpkg | i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get ... |
| 00:18.06 | Azar | no3sc: you mentioned something about "kernel-headers" did you download the ati driver from their site and installed it? |
| 00:19.13 | no3sc | Azar: Nope. I did: "apt-get install fglrx-kernel-src" Then used module-assistant to install it. |
| 00:19.15 | Lorina | I'll ask differently: how can I be sure I'm using keymap fr-lat9? |
| 00:19.22 | no3sc | With prepare and all that =) |
| 00:20.08 | Azar | no3sc: try this: http://michael.susens-schurter.com/blog/2006/11/20/installing-fglrx-ati-drivers-in-debian-etch/ |
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| 00:21.32 | no3sc | Azar: *reading* |
| 00:21.59 | Azar | no3sc: DON'T edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file as instructed! allways use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 00:22.19 | Azar | it does the same thing but it "lasts" over upgrades |
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| 00:23.14 | no3sc | Azar: I have been editing the config by my self before :P |
| 00:23.32 | Azar | no3sc: and see? it does not work! do not do that again ever |
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| 00:24.15 | Azar | no3sc: in the future read the header note of the xorg.conf file |
| 00:24.26 | no3sc | Azar: It did work the last time :P It's now when I did it the right way it is making some fuzz |
| 00:24.54 | Azar | no3sc: everytime you modify that file, when you will move, upgrade , your X will DIE |
| 00:25.04 | Azar | read the notes carefully before doing stuff |
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| 00:25.12 | Azar | Debian is NOT like other linux distros |
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| 00:25.31 | no3sc | Well, It says that I have " Identifier "ATI RADEON MOBILITY X600"" "Driver "fglrx"" |
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| 00:25.59 | no3sc | Azar: Well I just followed a friends advices to try to get it work =) |
| 00:25.59 | Azar | no3sc: what the file tells you ON TOP? |
| 00:26.36 | no3sc | Azar: As I said before. I did it the right way this time (with the dpkg-reconfigure command) |
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| 00:27.50 | Azar | no3sc: if you can't understand, here it is: |
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| 00:28.15 | Azar | This file is automatically updated on xserver-xfree86 package upgrades *only* if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xfree86 package |
| 00:28.22 | ehazlett | greetings... what is the mysql command to grant connect options from any host? |
| 00:28.29 | ehazlett | i have been trying but cannot get it... |
| 00:28.30 | Azar | well applies to xserver-xorg as well I guess |
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| 00:29.18 | ehazlett | i have tried grant all on mysql.* to root@'%'; -- but still no success... |
| 00:29.20 | Azar | no3sc: so what that tells you? when you will do an upgrade, if this file has been manually modified, xorg will NOT be upgraded |
| 00:29.42 | no3sc | Azar: I guess it does. Well if we turn things up-side-down. Can I somehow monitor how much my GPU and alike is used at the moment? |
| 00:29.52 | Azar | no3sc: now tell this to your friends, show them you know better |
| 00:30.10 | Azar | no3sc: so where were we? |
| 00:30.13 | no3sc | Azar: My friends (well almost everyone at least) run winXP :D |
| 00:30.27 | Azar | yeah what we were doing? |
| 00:30.30 | no3sc | Azar: I was at least trying to find out why my X is so slow =) |
| 00:30.57 | Azar | ok, well I showed you stuff, if you can't fix it, I don't know I never used ATI |
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| 00:31.33 | no3sc | *And I can't use "splitscreen" with "Ati Control Center". I can use clone and single view, but I can't use two screens (my laptop screen and an external screen) as one big. |
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| 00:32.12 | Szeraax | anyone actually know how to use wpa supplicant |
| 00:32.13 | Azar | no3sc: I have googled for you, found something, gave you the url. If it does not work that is all I can help with |
| 00:32.13 | Szeraax | ? |
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| 00:33.34 | scenestar | Error: Device 0 (vif) could not be connected. Backend device not found. |
| 00:33.38 | scenestar | anyone any idea? |
| 00:33.44 | no3sc | Azar: Thanks, I did the same (and I've already done what that site said) :P I have at least tried to fix it my self. (I'm not really sure what it is to fix, it's just that X is so darn slow and it was not that before when I used testing before the new kernel) |
| 00:34.54 | Viscid | **I move away from the mic to lick dick |
| 00:35.15 | Azar | Viscid: no need for that kind of discussion |
| 00:35.20 | scenestar | oh i just fixed the latter, now i just get Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(8,1) |
| 00:35.26 | Viscid | Azar: Dick licking? |
| 00:35.26 | scenestar | anyone any clue what the hell that means? |
| 00:35.39 | Azar | !ops Viscid |
| 00:35.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: azar complains about: Viscid |
| 00:35.55 | Viscid | Someone HERE doesn't like dick licking. |
| 00:36.28 | peterS | Viscid: please stay on topic |
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| 00:36.56 | Szeraax | yeah, one here (/me) needs help with wpa supplicant |
| 00:38.05 | Azar | Szeraax: just to say "hi I hear you" : unfortunately no idea about wpa supplicant |
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| 00:38.37 | Szeraax | Azar: thanks for the input, at least now i know my text is going to the world |
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| 00:39.01 | Azar | Szeraax: you hit a slow day in #debian.. weekend mostly us, newbies around |
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| 00:39.12 | Szeraax | yeah, what up with that? |
| 00:39.37 | Azar | Szeraax: meaning you could get help but the experienced users are watching games on TV.... |
| 00:40.06 | Viscid | !ops Azar is racist and licks dick |
| 00:40.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: viscid complains about: Azar is racist and licks dick |
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| 00:40.16 | Azar | hehe nice |
| 00:40.19 | Azar | thanks peterS |
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| 00:40.49 | peterS | gee, he left. what a surprise. |
| 00:41.03 | Azar | I guess he cries he could not reply |
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| 00:42.33 | robboplus | how do you make mysqldump skip the password part? i have .my.cnf and it won't work for dump.. only mysql monitor works |
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| 00:49.50 | agato | now i know what debian is missing |
| 00:50.07 | agato | file system check at boot |
| 00:50.35 | agato | and the ability to recover the system when the power is out |
| 00:51.02 | agato | jeez, i think those are the serious serious flaws of debian |
| 00:51.22 | agato | any chance to add that capability soon? |
| 00:52.00 | petemc | touch /forcefsck , get a ups |
| 00:52.07 | agato | LOL |
| 00:52.37 | agato | it would be funny if the battery is out or something, the whole damn sys would be gone |
| 00:52.59 | petemc | what would you expext an operating system to do without power? |
| 00:53.12 | petemc | s/xt/ct/ |
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| 00:53.40 | agato | well at least bill's os can deal with it |
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| 00:53.42 | agato | LOL |
| 00:53.47 | petemc | how so? |
| 00:54.16 | Azar | oh no, that means the user will have to charge the battery? OH NOE! |
| 00:54.39 | agato | well i was doin the what if thing |
| 00:55.08 | Azar | agato: I guess you are the one in 100 that is missing the filesystem in Debian |
| 00:55.24 | Azar | err one in 100000 I ment |
| 00:55.34 | scenestar | agato get IPMI |
| 00:55.43 | agato | what is that? |
| 00:55.53 | scenestar | its what you need |
| 00:56.20 | Azar | scenestar: |
| 00:56.21 | Azar | 17:51 < agato> now i know what debian is missing |
| 00:56.22 | Azar | 17:51 < agato> file system check at boot |
| 00:56.28 | scenestar | oh |
| 00:56.35 | scenestar | <agato> and the ability to recover the system when the power is out |
| 00:56.36 | Azar | hehe |
| 00:57.06 | Azar | scenestar: 17:56 < agato> well i was doin the what if thing |
| 00:57.22 | agato | ya what that self-healing power |
| 00:57.23 | Azar | he speaks in half sentences.. you have to guess |
| 00:57.24 | agato | man |
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| 00:58.06 | agato | jeez ibm was doig saying something about long time ago |
| 00:58.10 | scenestar | YES |
| 00:58.20 | scenestar | IT IS CALLED INTELLIGENT PLATFORM MONITORING |
| 00:58.23 | agato | i guess debian is years years years and years behind |
| 00:58.24 | scenestar | AND IT EXISTS |
| 00:58.47 | scenestar | agato the only thing that is behind is your goddamn intellect |
| 00:58.52 | agato | it is just that concept |
| 00:59.00 | Noborusan | which command to print the version of mysql ? |
| 00:59.00 | agato | but i want it on the software side |
| 00:59.02 | petemc | scenestar: no need to get annoyed |
| 00:59.24 | Azar | scenestar: let the man steam off... he is upset |
| 00:59.26 | scenestar | petemc this is the 3rd bonehead who cant get something through his thick fucking skill today |
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| 00:59.45 | Snover | Mmm, smells like fresh trolls in here |
| 00:59.56 | petemc | scenestar: if people asking questions makes you angry, perhaps the debian support channel isnt the best place to be.. |
| 01:00.03 | agato | blah don't hit me with craps |
| 01:00.08 | agato | i ain't scared |
| 01:00.12 | agato | bit me! |
| 01:00.24 | scenestar | petemc no what makes me angry is that someone keeps asking the same question after i answered it 3 times |
| 01:00.40 | Snover | scenestar, you must have never had a job in IT ;) |
| 01:00.50 | scenestar | Snover I own a company |
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| 01:00.53 | scenestar | IT integrator |
| 01:01.01 | Snover | I forgot my password, can you reset it for me? |
| 01:01.08 | Azar | agato: there are more than 300 linux distros there, and you chose the one you don't like? |
| 01:01.10 | Snover | Hi guys, my computer crashed |
| 01:01.12 | scenestar | why are you in my office, go away |
| 01:01.13 | scenestar | YOU ARE FIRED |
| 01:01.17 | scenestar | :) |
| 01:01.19 | Snover | etc. |
| 01:01.25 | agato | um you see, |
| 01:01.37 | agato | it is just what i want to play with |
| 01:01.41 | Snover | I got this email that said I won $1,000,000,000 and gave them my SSN, is this bad? |
| 01:01.42 | scenestar | Snover i left those trenches ages ago |
| 01:01.50 | Azar | Snover: ok, it crashed: tell us what operating system you run on it, and what were you doing when crashed? |
| 01:02.00 | Snover | Azar, sorry I wasn't clear, that was a joke ;) |
| 01:02.08 | Azar | Snover: ah ok |
| 01:02.14 | Snover | It was running Windows 95 and I was playing solitare ;) |
| 01:02.24 | Azar | scenestar: there is allways a /ignore command so to keep the convo smooth |
| 01:02.30 | scenestar | hey, i just like |
| 01:02.33 | Azar | Snover: hehe |
| 01:02.37 | scenestar | installed thsi debian lunix thing |
| 01:02.39 | scenestar | and like |
| 01:02.40 | Snover | Everyone knows that all computers are good for is computer solitaire, serious |
| 01:02.45 | scenestar | where is my computer |
| 01:02.52 | scenestar | how can i install photosoup |
| 01:02.54 | agato | oh yeah, if people keep asking you questions that means.... |
| 01:02.55 | scenestar | and wehres the exe |
| 01:03.00 | scenestar | for counterstrike |
| 01:03.21 | scenestar | btw i isntalled debian without a serial, can i still get upgradez? |
| 01:03.32 | Azar | agato: ok, it is ok, I feel for you, good luck |
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| 01:12.49 | magyar | hi, can ls show the amont of files in the directory? |
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| 01:13.58 | Azar | magyar: ls /directoryname -la |
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| 01:14.58 | magyar | Azar: i was lokking more for a summery like in DOS |
| 01:15.19 | Azar | magyar: then you could install and use ytree |
| 01:15.33 | magyar | Azar: ls |wc -l |
| 01:15.52 | Azar | magyar: nice tip |
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| 01:17.16 | magyar | ytree is sweeeeeet, thanks |
| 01:17.37 | Azar | :) old memories from xtree |
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| 01:18.02 | magyar | always wondered why no summery for "ls" |
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| 01:19.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | what for |
| 01:19.48 | agato | jeez ain't bill's stuff |
| 01:19.57 | agato | use dos then |
| 01:20.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | dos wasnt bill's stuff either |
| 01:20.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... until he stole it |
| 01:20.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | er |
| 01:20.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | bought |
| 01:20.41 | agato | ahuh |
| 01:20.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | nobody sue me, I meant bought |
| 01:20.50 | Azar | agato: magyar found his solution, no need to have dos |
| 01:21.26 | agato | jeez just do ls -l > tex and vi text |
| 01:21.29 | agato | all there |
| 01:21.43 | agato | # of lines too |
| 01:21.47 | Azar | agato: he found his soultion |
| 01:21.51 | Azar | solution |
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| 01:22.44 | agato | oh yeah, any top supercomputer that runs debian? |
| 01:22.58 | Azar | agato: you need one? |
| 01:23.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, my old 386 |
| 01:23.28 | agato | just curiousity at the moment |
| 01:23.42 | Azar | agato: if you google for it probably you will find it |
| 01:23.57 | agato | i know where it is |
| 01:24.03 | agato | top500 or something |
| 01:24.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | good on yer |
| 01:24.20 | Azar | eh nice for Debian |
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| 01:26.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | beer... |
| 01:26.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what my apartment is lacking |
| 01:26.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | damnit |
| 01:26.30 | agato | unfortunately, debian is not on the list |
| 01:26.34 | agato | http://www.top500.org/stats/list/29/os/ |
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| 01:26.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... |
| 01:26.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | your chance to set one up |
| 01:26.58 | Azar | really? I am glad! |
| 01:27.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | just buy a nice little cray... |
| 01:27.31 | Azar | is a blessing that Debian is not on top lists... |
| 01:27.52 | agato | jeez win2k3 is on there |
| 01:27.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dont think it's too well suited |
| 01:28.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | you probably want something like gentoo on that? |
| 01:28.12 | agato | nah, |
| 01:28.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | ehe |
| 01:28.24 | agato | it is just the damn clustering software |
| 01:28.35 | agato | anyone can do it |
| 01:28.40 | Azar | no, he is here just complaining about debian and how unhappy makes him |
| 01:28.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
| 01:28.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | go to #ubuntu |
| 01:28.58 | Azar | maybe pushing some agenda... more often releases, more crappy applications.. |
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| 01:29.23 | Azar | I wonder why he hasn't complained about customer service so far.. |
| 01:29.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... now he'll say he's coming from #ubuntu and they paid him to come here |
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| 01:29.53 | Noborusan | how come when im trying to install mod_gzip for apache1.3.7,it wnts to install apache-common apache2-utils ? |
| 01:30.04 | ShadowMajestic | Quick question, What is causing this? : PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/mysql.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/mysql.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0 |
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| 01:30.07 | Kruser | hi |
| 01:30.22 | Azar | Noborusan: maybe those packages are family? |
| 01:30.33 | Noborusan | hmm |
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| 01:31.06 | Snover | ShadowMajestic, you have extension=mysql.so in your php.ini, but the file doesn't exist |
| 01:31.28 | Azar | Noborusan: if you for example go to debian packages site, and look at some packages, you will see a small list of family packages that come with the one selected |
| 01:31.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | how can you install mod_gzip? |
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| 01:32.03 | ShadowMajestic | Snover: so getting the mysql.so extention would make it work? |
| 01:32.04 | Noborusan | Azar, i see |
| 01:32.13 | Azar | CutMeOwnThroat: using apt-get or aptitude will allways at least recommend depending packages |
| 01:32.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, that one? |
| 01:32.14 | Noborusan | CutMeOwnThroat, apt-get install libapache-mod-gzip |
| 01:32.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | libapache-mod-gzip |
| 01:32.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh |
| 01:32.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, found it |
| 01:32.28 | Snover | ShadowMajestic, you should install the php5-mysql package |
| 01:32.41 | Snover | Then it should stop giving that error |
| 01:33.03 | ShadowMajestic | ah yea thx man :) |
| 01:33.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Noborusan, it depends on apache-commond and THAT depends on apache2-utils |
| 01:33.10 | ShadowMajestic | that was a simple fix :p |
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| 01:33.42 | Noborusan | CutMeOwnThroat, so install apache-common will not change my current installed apache1.3.37 ? |
| 01:34.09 | Azar | Noborusan: maybe is just an upgraded component |
| 01:34.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | dont think so, judging from the package name... |
| 01:34.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Package: apache-common |
| 01:34.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Version: 1.3.34-4.1 |
| 01:34.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | no idea why that depends on apache2-utils... |
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| 01:34.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems a bit... unintuitive |
| 01:35.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | but perhaps they're the same utils for apache and apache2 |
| 01:35.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, there is at least no package apache-utils |
| 01:35.42 | Noborusan | okay |
| 01:35.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | so that could be it |
| 01:36.14 | Azar | Noborusan: http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/libapache-mod-gzip |
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| 01:37.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, guess so... there's stuff in it like... split-logfile... probably no need to have a 1.3 version and a 2.x version of these |
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| 01:37.20 | Noborusan | Azar, Thanks |
| 01:37.47 | Noborusan | by the way,on debian,how to restart apache ? |
| 01:38.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | /etc/init.d/apache restart? |
| 01:38.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | or |
| 01:38.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | /etc/init.d/apache-ssl restart? |
| 01:38.29 | Noborusan | let me try |
| 01:38.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | both... |
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| 01:38.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | need to do two restarts for ssl and normal one |
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| 01:42.21 | RainbowW | how can i view a pristine copy of /etc/apache2/sites-available/default from apache2? i've jacked mine |
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| 01:49.21 | cafuego | delete that file, then dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/apache2-common... |
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| 01:52.07 | Noborusan | strange,i remember apt-get install libapache-mod-gzip,after this is done, gzip is added to httpd.conf automatically,this time it doesn;t |
| 01:52.19 | Noborusan | now it says Can't locate API module structure `mod_gzip' in file /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_gzip.so: /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_gzip.so: undefined symbol: mod_gzip |
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| 01:59.21 | RainbowW | using the built-in apache2 default site config, i get the first error here: http://www.pastebin.ca/629249 ... dropping the <VirtualHost> container and restarting produces the second. how do i squash? |
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| 02:03.53 | peterS | RainbowW: edit /etc/apache2/sites-available/default to change * to *:80. I think this inconvenience has been reported as a bug, I don't recall whether we've fixed it for the next upload |
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| 02:06.33 | Azar | Best Way to Convey Information? Yup, Still Text. http://franticindustries.com/blog/2007/07/18/best-way-to-convey-information-yup-still-text/#8217;s%20not%20really%20useful.%20I’ve%20read%20about%203D%20mailbox%20in%20a%20great%20interview%20w << common sense |
| 02:07.05 | RainbowW | i hate these kinds of errors. impossible to squish. :-( |
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| 02:08.56 | dakoo | whats the chkconfig utility for debian? |
| 02:09.16 | magyar | sysv-rc-conf |
| 02:09.28 | dakoo | thanx magyar |
| 02:12.56 | obnauticus | Is there anything that can mount a directory in linux to a windows computer without a Active directory controller? |
| 02:13.00 | Gnu_Raiz | Azar: guess Chinese might object to that. |
| 02:13.01 | obnauticus | an* |
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| 02:13.36 | RainbowW | oh. yay. i got it. |
| 02:13.40 | Snover | obnauticus, you can set up Samba to run within a workgroup, if that's what you're referring to |
| 02:13.45 | RainbowW | obnauticus: samba. |
| 02:14.27 | Azar | Gnu_Raiz: heh let them read text in 3D haha |
| 02:15.05 | obnauticus | RainbowW Snover i'm using that already |
| 02:15.11 | obnauticus | I mean like mount it like a drive :/ |
| 02:15.12 | Azar | Gnu_Raiz: animated text too if that would be the case, try reading text that moves, jumps, waves.. |
| 02:15.24 | Snover | Tools -> Mount Network Drive, or something like that, in Windows Explorer |
| 02:15.25 | obnauticus | like eDirectory, or Active Directories |
| 02:15.32 | obnauticus | word up |
| 02:15.56 | Snover | Enter the UNC path of the Samba share you want to mount as a disk |
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| 02:17.28 | Gnu_Raiz | why do you think english is so popular to code in. |
| 02:17.46 | Snover | Because computers were invented by English speakers? :) |
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| 02:18.23 | gravity | Because English is the primary language of free software (which at least explains why it's true for free software) |
| 02:18.26 | Azar | Gnu_Raiz: I would imagine how "leet" would be code written in chinese.... |
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| 02:19.29 | Gnu_Raiz | that could be confusing, like how |
| 02:19.53 | elvedin | What's a good howto site? Something like howtoforge.com |
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| 02:20.00 | Gnu_Raiz | would you do a compare? == instead of a = without math. |
| 02:20.19 | elvedin | I'm looking for all sorts of alternatives for smtp/pop3/imap |
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| 02:20.35 | Snover | elvedin, google with the word HOWTO is usful :) |
| 02:21.34 | elvedin | Yeah, lots of duds though |
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| 02:22.13 | Gnu_Raiz | the problem you will find with howtos are how out of date they are. |
| 02:22.16 | Snover | What sort of alternatives are you looking for? |
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| 02:22.45 | elvedin | Most of the howto's I find have specific things I don't want |
| 02:22.57 | elvedin | Like virtual user accounts with MySQL backends |
| 02:22.59 | elvedin | I don't want that |
| 02:23.00 | Gnu_Raiz | just today I was searching about itunes and fair use, found out that jhymn is no longer valid. |
| 02:24.26 | gkahla | anyone else notice that nm-applet doesn't allow you to do DHCP ever again after assigning a static IP? (Debian Etch, up-to-date) |
| 02:24.37 | elvedin | And practically none mention how to maintain the setup or anything about the easiest way to use it |
| 02:24.52 | Snover | elvedin, can you give an example? |
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| 02:25.19 | TCW | re |
| 02:25.20 | Snover | At least with Debian most of it is install it once and then forget about it forever and ever :) |
| 02:25.28 | elvedin | Sure, here is one I wasted a bit of time on |
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| 02:25.41 | elvedin | http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual_users_and_domains_with_postfix_debian_etch |
| 02:26.08 | Snover | sohmestra, do you not want virtual users, or just don't want to use MySQL? |
| 02:26.11 | Snover | er |
| 02:26.15 | Snover | silly autocomplete |
| 02:26.15 | TCW | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=433119 <- I still have this issue with sid (nfs exports not mounted during bootup), reopen or do I miss something? |
| 02:26.23 | Snover | elvedin, So, do you not want virtual users, or just don't want to use MySQL? |
| 02:26.53 | elvedin | I'd rather not have virtual users and MySQL |
| 02:27.05 | gkahla | TCW - i'm interested in this too; my NFS isn't being automounted on boot, and I'm at a loss... |
| 02:27.09 | elvedin | But I suppose it isn't a huge issue |
| 02:27.20 | TCW | gkahla, sid? |
| 02:27.26 | elvedin | It's just that last one didn't explain much about the setup. |
| 02:27.31 | gkahla | TCW - etch, up-to-date |
| 02:27.41 | stoned | hola |
| 02:27.48 | Azar | stoned! |
| 02:27.50 | Azar | :) |
| 02:27.54 | stoned | whats up man |
| 02:28.01 | stoned | :) |
| 02:28.06 | Azar | stoned: bored, drinking beer and eating cherries |
| 02:28.12 | TCW | gkahla, oops? show me /var/log/boot > pastebin, I'm not on #flood |
| 02:28.13 | stoned | I just got home man |
| 02:28.20 | Azar | stoned: worked today? |
| 02:28.33 | stoned | I went out and got drunk with rahul, and then we got stoned all day and watched a movie |
| 02:28.40 | stoned | Azar: no partying |
| 02:28.49 | Azar | ahhhh I was just about to ask you how was with rahul? |
| 02:28.52 | gkahla | TCW - i'll have to remote into that box; give me a moment, and I'll #flood |
| 02:28.56 | stoned | same as always |
| 02:28.58 | elvedin | This one looks promising though - http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/ |
| 02:29.08 | Azar | :) |
| 02:29.16 | Azar | nice you can get together |
| 02:29.23 | TCW | gkahla, I am not in that channel! Why not paste.debian.net or something? |
| 02:29.24 | stoned | its alright |
| 02:29.36 | stoned | I am proud of myself though Azar |
| 02:29.45 | Azar | stoned: tell me, what you did? |
| 02:29.47 | gkahla | TCW - fair enough; just a sec |
| 02:29.59 | TCW | gkahla, take your time |
| 02:30.17 | stoned | Azar: this girl was seriously making passes at me, and just was being a bit obvious about it. Nice well spoken, educated and good looking. And I ignored her every move on purpose. |
| 02:30.24 | Noborusan | after a reboot,will all files and folders be cleaned in /tmp ? |
| 02:30.31 | Azar | stoned: smart |
| 02:30.51 | stoned | Azar: I battle with myself everytime this happens. I love my woman, but damn dude. |
| 02:30.56 | stoned | I'm still just a guy :D |
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| 02:31.24 | Azar | stoned: if for any reason your story with her goes further, just remember , before going to bed with her, kiss her passionately and whisper in her ear: are you sure you dont have aids? |
| 02:31.24 | stoned | and rahul was all like, yeh dude, you shoulda brought her back to the house |
| 02:31.33 | stoned | hahahaha |
| 02:31.51 | Azar | stoned: that question will save your soul |
| 02:32.05 | stoned | yeh really |
| 02:32.15 | stoned | I gotta call my boss at 1am |
| 02:32.26 | rahul | heh |
| 02:32.27 | Azar | stoned: sleek... |
| 02:32.35 | stoned | and figure tommorrow schedule out. One guy called in sick for tomorrow, the other guy hurt his back and can't make it to work |
| 02:32.42 | stoned | and I'm the one doing all the work now |
| 02:32.45 | stoned | its bullcrap |
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| 02:33.04 | Azar | stoned: cool your dedication will not pass unnoticed |
| 02:33.08 | stoned | rahul: man I coulda tapped it if i wanted to |
| 02:33.13 | stoned | goddamit :/ |
| 02:33.33 | Gnu_Raiz | you guys are hillarious |
| 02:33.38 | rahul | yeah, you could have |
| 02:33.49 | rahul | instead you left her to my false twin |
| 02:33.59 | stoned | what would you do man |
| 02:34.01 | Azar | rahul: stoned got a girl's attention under your nose |
| 02:34.13 | rahul | stoned: I'll tell you when you're older |
| 02:34.19 | rahul | heh |
| 02:34.22 | stoned | lol |
| 02:34.48 | rahul | under my nose? heh |
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| 02:35.09 | stoned | Azar: rahuls going out with this romanian chic that sings in a band |
| 02:35.21 | Azar | stoned: hahahaha |
| 02:35.35 | rahul | we've never been on a date |
| 02:35.48 | stoned | i thought you did |
| 02:35.52 | stoned | oh well, I guess hes not then |
| 02:35.59 | Azar | rahul: don't go on a date! she will try to rape you! |
| 02:36.10 | rahul | heh |
| 02:36.17 | Gnu_Raiz | who needs a date, if the chick wants to get down who needs dates. |
| 02:36.33 | stoned | I wonder where p eople of debian are |
| 02:36.38 | rahul | you're right. grapes and strawberries are better |
| 02:36.45 | Gnu_Raiz | haven't you guys had ***k buddies? |
| 02:36.47 | stoned | no one else is talking and we're going off about ot |
| 02:36.51 | rahul | and chocolate sauce! |
| 02:36.55 | rahul | yeah, wtf |
| 02:37.11 | stoned | oh well, they'll tell us to shut up soon here |
| 02:37.18 | rahul | haha |
| 02:37.21 | Azar | stew, abrotman are not here: HAVE AT IT |
| 02:37.40 | stoned | rahul: do you know this Amanda? |
| 02:37.48 | rahul | stoned: no |
| 02:37.54 | stoned | damn |
| 02:37.58 | rahul | met her last night |
| 02:38.13 | stoned | oh well |
| 02:38.35 | Azar | women in my life: mom, sister, co-workers, neighbors |
| 02:39.08 | rahul | you just gotta go get em |
| 02:39.15 | stoned | Azar: dude i've been faithful ever since I moved to nyc. 5 months almost or more. |
| 02:39.30 | stoned | i dunno if i can take much more of this |
| 02:39.40 | Azar | stoned: yeah who needs church? |
| 02:39.46 | stoned | not church man |
| 02:39.50 | stoned | faithful to my woman |
| 02:39.58 | stoned | i aint done nothin bad yet |
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| 02:40.09 | stoned | hehe and im gonna if this immigration shit don't work out |
| 02:40.10 | rahul | http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l156/Tissha_Julia/raulsigmundjulia.jpg <- my evil twin with a girl who likes to beat me up |
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| 02:40.14 | gkahla | TCW: there's a network problem I can't fix from here - I can't get hold of the /var/log/boot tonight... sorry! |
| 02:40.21 | Azar | that's a second , insidious form of slavery, let's abolish it |
| 02:41.02 | TCW | gkahla, too sad, I wonder if your problem is the same as mine |
| 02:41.10 | Azar | we use free software, let's behave freely... apply GPL to self lifestyle |
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| 02:41.28 | gkahla | I'll be able to get to that machine Monday, but that'll be soonest... |
| 02:41.40 | rahul | a s s b a d g e r |
| 02:41.42 | Azar | rahul: we use free software, let's behave freely... apply GPL to self lifestyle |
| 02:42.02 | TCW | sid users with nfs shares (not) mounted at bootup here? :) |
| 02:42.04 | Azar | rahul: stfu you lost your terminal |
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| 02:42.12 | rahul | assbadger killed my X session |
| 02:42.49 | stoned | rahul: you can get in touch with your evil twin? |
| 02:42.53 | Azar | stoned: and waht you gonna do tonight? |
| 02:43.02 | rahul | stoned: I dunno |
| 02:43.04 | metbsd | anyone here? |
| 02:43.09 | x2180 | yeah |
| 02:43.33 | x2180 | i'm downloading fedora |
| 02:43.39 | x2180 | it only comes in a DVD :/ |
| 02:43.39 | rahul | I guess I have jessica's number now |
| 02:43.41 | x2180 | that's kind of lame |
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| 02:43.49 | rahul | so I can tell her to forward it on to Raul |
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| 02:44.30 | Azar | wb nikita |
| 02:45.01 | Noborusan | does anyone know IE6.x belongs to http/1.0 or http/1.1 ? |
| 02:45.16 | sparr | id be surprised if IE follows either standard |
| 02:45.23 | sparr | amazed, flabbergasted might be better words |
| 02:45.48 | Azar | what now they start selling IE by the version? |
| 02:45.49 | gkahla | be well, #debian - later on... |
| 02:45.50 | Azar | :) |
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| 02:46.18 | Azar | oh noe, ms changed its mind: now they RENT stuff |
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| 02:46.43 | SpinX | i'm trying to do a netinstall of debian, but it says no ethernet card detected.. im not srue what it is, but the lights on..so its working |
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| 02:46.58 | Snover | SpinX, what sort of network card? |
| 02:47.10 | MajorPayne | Hi. I want to export the same NFS directory to 2 different hosts. Would I put two lines in the export file, one for each host or can I seperate the hosts like this: /mnt/sda3 zeek,kit(rw) |
| 02:47.34 | MajorPayne | ^^ Where zeek and kit are the hostnames. |
| 02:47.48 | Snover | MajorPayne, /mnt/sda3 zeek(rw) kit(rw) |
| 02:48.04 | MajorPayne | Snover: Ahh. Ok, thanks. |
| 02:48.17 | SpinX | Snover: pci ? |
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| 02:48.37 | Snover | SpinX, do you know what chipset or model it is? |
| 02:48.49 | Snover | If the installer doesn't see it, it probably isn't supported |
| 02:49.05 | SpinX | no |
| 02:49.05 | Azar | SpinX: would not be better to burn the first CD and install from it? |
| 02:49.19 | SpinX | i always do a net install from the mini cd |
| 02:49.50 | Azar | SpinX: if the installer does not recognize your ethernet card, then is useless |
| 02:50.08 | SpinX | ive used it before on debian.. |
| 02:50.30 | Snover | What version of the Netinstall disc are you using? |
| 02:50.36 | SpinX | latest |
| 02:50.42 | Azar | SpinX: if you can run modconf and select your card, ok, if not... not gonna work |
| 02:50.59 | Azar | SpinX: declare the Debian version number |
| 02:51.26 | Snover | Thanks Azar, I was trying to get that out but words were failing me for a moment ;) |
| 02:51.27 | SpinX | im gonna try something..gonna see if it works on win98 |
| 02:51.36 | elvedin | fatal: /etc/postfix/postfix-script: No such file or directory |
| 02:51.38 | Azar | SpinX: "latest" does not cut it |
| 02:51.44 | elvedin | Anyone in a sharing mood? |
| 02:52.39 | Azar | SpinX: if you do not know the version, well we can't help you |
| 02:53.17 | Azar | stoned !! |
| 02:53.44 | Azar | elvedin: sorry no idea about postfix |
| 02:53.48 | Azar | try #postfix? |
| 02:53.56 | elvedin | OK, thanks |
| 02:54.19 | Snover | elvedin, is that file provided by the standard postfix package? |
| 02:54.24 | elvedin | It's just that I uninstalled it, deleted the /etc/postfix because I wanted to start fresh |
| 02:54.34 | elvedin | Snover: of course. Or at least it should be |
| 02:54.50 | Snover | elvedin, Run ucf --purge /etc/postfix/postfix-script |
| 02:54.58 | Snover | then reinstall the package |
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| 02:55.50 | Azar | yeeee!!! gcc4.2.1 is out! |
| 02:56.14 | stoned | sorry was takin a shower |
| 02:56.53 | Azar | GCC 4.2.1 will be the last release of GCC covered by version 2 of the GNU General Public License. All future releases will be released under GPL version 3." |
| 02:57.05 | Azar | stoned: ah ok |
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| 02:57.42 | Azar | so I am just curious, stoned: is rahul in the same house with you irc-ing from another room? |
| 02:57.49 | rahul | heh |
| 02:57.55 | Azar | damn Im good! |
| 02:58.16 | rahul | Azar: you're a few hours too late for that |
| 02:58.27 | stoned | no man |
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| 02:58.52 | stoned | Azar: check our hosts |
| 02:58.58 | Azar | well why not, stoned if you come here I give you the PC in the living room, and I keep my boxes in the bedroom |
| 02:59.14 | stoned | awe |
| 02:59.20 | stoned | Azar is the man! |
| 02:59.35 | liable | haha |
| 02:59.39 | Azar | I have 3 boxes in the bedroom, atm only one running cuz is too hot |
| 02:59.46 | stoned | Azar: same here lol |
| 02:59.51 | Azar | :) |
| 02:59.54 | stoned | plus electricity |
| 02:59.57 | Snover | How do you sleep with computers on? :O |
| 03:00.01 | elvedin | The ucf purge didn't work |
| 03:00.05 | Azar | meh the landlord pays it here |
| 03:00.06 | stoned | Snover: powerdown |
| 03:00.07 | elvedin | I can't even remove postfix-mysql |
| 03:00.07 | rahul | Snover: I sleep with metal on |
| 03:00.23 | stoned | power safe mode |
| 03:00.26 | stoned | monitors turned off |
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| 03:00.40 | elvedin | And the only postfix-script I have access to is from FreeBSD which doesn't work here |
| 03:00.48 | stoned | disks spin down, cpu get underclocked and undervolted |
| 03:00.50 | stoned | etc. etc. |
| 03:00.53 | Azar | lcd monitors don't heat up much and there is the black screensaver on allways |
| 03:01.00 | Snover | elvedin, look in /var/lib/ucf/cache |
| 03:01.02 | stoned | I have a CRT |
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| 03:01.18 | stoned | oh damn |
| 03:01.22 | Azar | stoned !!! come on, man, lcd got so cheapy |
| 03:01.33 | stoned | for a second there I thought I left my weed at rahuls house |
| 03:01.36 | Supaplex | sup stoned |
| 03:01.40 | elvedin | Snover: Nothing in there having to do with postfix |
| 03:01.40 | stoned | Azar: I am not rich, I can't afford anything |
| 03:01.45 | stoned | Supaplex: not much buddy |
| 03:01.46 | rahul | silly boy |
| 03:01.49 | stoned | about to roll up a phatty |
| 03:01.56 | Azar | stoned: ask rahul to buy one for you |
| 03:02.07 | stoned | heh |
| 03:02.12 | stoned | I don't ask people for anything :) |
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| 03:02.22 | rahul | dude, I just pissed away a hundred bucks last night |
| 03:02.30 | Snover | elvedin, why can't you uninstall postfix-mysql? |
| 03:02.32 | stoned | dude, I spend a 100 last night too |
| 03:02.34 | rahul | yeah |
| 03:02.36 | stoned | spent* |
| 03:02.41 | Azar | rahul: dude you could make your friend happy, like b-day gift |
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| 03:02.45 | stoned | lol |
| 03:02.45 | elvedin | Snover: for the same error message as I get when I try to install |
| 03:02.55 | elvedin | postfix-script controls starting and stopping |
| 03:02.58 | elvedin | So it fails there |
| 03:03.16 | rahul | heh |
| 03:03.20 | Azar | rahul, stoned, eh just joking |
| 03:03.24 | liable | elvedin: what did you do? |
| 03:03.33 | Snover | liable, he deleted /etc/postfix :) |
| 03:03.39 | Azar | hehe |
| 03:03.40 | liable | !confmiss |
| 03:03.40 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 03:03.44 | elvedin | After I deleted the postfix package |
| 03:03.57 | elvedin | And then I wanted to reinstall postfix, starting fresh |
| 03:04.07 | Snover | liable, is there a way to discover what all the triggers for the dpkg bot are? |
| 03:04.10 | Supaplex | !purge |
| 03:04.10 | dpkg | [purge] to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files |
| 03:04.14 | Supaplex | !factoids |
| 03:04.14 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
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| 03:04.40 | Snover | Supaplex, thanks :) |
| 03:04.59 | Supaplex | np |
| 03:05.16 | elvedin | ALright, thanks for the purge not |
| 03:05.20 | Azar | stoned, rahul, did you noticed that abrotman is strangely quiet(er) lately? To me is that he maybe got a dd rank.. |
| 03:05.38 | liable | purging wonr make a difference, you need confmiss |
| 03:05.41 | rumpl | dd rank? |
| 03:05.44 | rahul | who knows |
| 03:06.04 | liable | Azar: i dont think he has even applied |
| 03:06.07 | rahul | Azar: you know that stoned didn't see that message :) |
| 03:06.16 | liable | you can see the list of people who have |
| 03:06.24 | stoned | huh |
| 03:06.32 | rumpl | What's dd rank? |
| 03:06.36 | Azar | liable: oh I see... maybe he started contributing "voluntarily" |
| 03:06.46 | Azar | rumpl: debiandeveloper |
| 03:06.52 | rumpl | Oh. |
| 03:06.53 | gravity | abrotman has been dodging ddship forever |
| 03:06.54 | stoned | !dd |
| 03:06.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, dd is a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
| 03:07.05 | Supaplex | liable: huh? uh purge and reinstall still refuses to install files that $user deleted? |
| 03:07.12 | Azar | gravity: then that is it! :) |
| 03:07.20 | liable | Supaplex: yes |
| 03:07.31 | elvedin | purging made a difference |
| 03:07.32 | rumpl | So, are there any DD's in here? |
| 03:07.48 | Azar | rumpl: I would not know, shy to ask |
| 03:07.48 | stoned | possibly |
| 03:07.49 | liable | Supaplex: if its a config, other files are replaced |
| 03:08.26 | rumpl | Well, if there are any, thanks guys, I appreciate the work you are doing. |
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| 03:08.33 | gravity | rumpl: There's a few |
| 03:08.34 | Snover | heh. 37,469 factoids. jeez. |
| 03:08.37 | Azar | gravity: oh I mis-read your sentence: dodging/doing :) |
| 03:08.41 | Supaplex | I've deleted configs before, and they came back with purge+reinstall. that's what I use to do before I knew confmiss (well, and backing up what's left of it) |
| 03:08.49 | gravity | Not sure how many are actually watching now though of course |
| 03:08.52 | gravity | I can count one I guess |
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| 03:09.04 | gravity | Azar: Yeah, he actively doesn't want it :-) |
| 03:09.12 | Azar | gravity: I am afraid to ask... better let them unknown... |
| 03:09.13 | manual | is it possible to dedicated X amount of memory to a process that only the process can use and not share with any other processes? and also have the process not able to exceed that amount? |
| 03:09.15 | rumpl | Anyway, even if they don't look. |
| 03:09.23 | stoned | I look like a dd |
| 03:09.25 | stoned | but I'm not |
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| 03:09.42 | gravity | stoned: Do you smell like one? |
| 03:09.49 | stoned | of course! |
| 03:09.52 | gravity | heh |
| 03:09.56 | stoned | :) |
| 03:10.12 | cottima | has anyone used clonezillla? |
| 03:10.19 | stoned | I will one day be a good big contributor to debian |
| 03:10.19 | rumpl | I'm just proud that the new _president_ of Debian is a frenchy, and in Paris, like me :) So immature but hey, it's not everyday that you have a big guy around you. |
| 03:10.24 | stoned | maybe not in the develping way |
| 03:10.24 | Supaplex | !lart lame irc client quit messages |
| 03:10.25 | stoned | but something |
| 03:10.42 | gravity | He's pretty short actually |
| 03:10.48 | rumpl | :) |
| 03:10.53 | Azar | I feel a high respect for the coders something like movie stars, omg I'd be shaking to be in the same channel and talk to one... |
| 03:11.09 | rumpl | _big_ as in the things that he is doing, not in inches. |
| 03:11.15 | stoned | gravity is one I think |
| 03:11.16 | gravity | :-) |
| 03:11.18 | stoned | and so is don |
| 03:11.21 | stoned | stew maybe |
| 03:11.37 | stoned | peters also i believe, i think ops are dds? |
| 03:11.37 | liable | theres lots of em |
| 03:11.39 | stoned | no |
| 03:11.44 | liable | Supaplex: hah |
| 03:11.54 | rumpl | _stars_ and developers have nothing in common, I like more the developers. |
| 03:12.08 | stoned | peterS: hey buddy whats up |
| 03:12.13 | Azar | Supaplex: ah no, Linus no... the guy is not able to handle Debian, the installer is "too hard for him" he is just another ubuntu user |
| 03:12.13 | Supaplex | peterS: your a she but not a he? what? ;) |
| 03:12.14 | peterS | not a lot |
| 03:12.14 | rumpl | stoned, ChanServ is a dd? :) |
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| 03:12.19 | stoned | sure |
| 03:12.22 | stoned | why not |
| 03:12.25 | peterS | Supaplex: I'm either an op or a dd, but not both |
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| 03:12.39 | Supaplex | my $ is on op. |
| 03:12.48 | peterS | that is highly probable |
| 03:12.49 | rahul | my $ is in her panties |
| 03:12.51 | liable | abuse him and find out |
| 03:12.51 | stoned | if you want to believe ChanServ is a dd, its yoru right as an american citizen. if you are not an american citizen, then I dunno. |
| 03:12.51 | rahul | er I mean |
| 03:12.57 | gravity | peterS is about as close as it gets though |
| 03:13.00 | Azar | hey wheres Guerin? did not see him last night |
| 03:13.01 | rahul | stoned: hah |
| 03:13.21 | peterS | gravity: maybe. there is a distinct possibility that I may be in the Goswin state, though |
| 03:13.35 | gravity | peterS: I'd be very surprised if that were the case |
| 03:13.36 | peterS | (i.e., unofficial perpetual DAM hold) |
| 03:13.46 | LordOlie | anyone familiar with installing the hsf driver (deb package)? |
| 03:13.49 | gravity | Ganneff was on VAC for a while after debconf |
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| 03:13.55 | rumpl | I am not an american citizen, but my country got bombed by america, so do I still have the right to think that ChanServ is a dd? |
| 03:14.20 | stoned | in that case no |
| 03:14.22 | Azar | peterS: we the humilde bottom users haven't seen mister sam on the news lately... we need to see the leader from time to time.. |
| 03:14.29 | peterS | gravity: well, it's just a theory. the dams have reservations about me based on information from a third party. elmo called me several months ago to hear my side |
| 03:14.37 | rumpl | Ok, so ChanServ is not a dd... |
| 03:14.40 | gravity | peterS: Interesting. I didn't know that. |
| 03:14.52 | gravity | peterS: Did I speak up on -nm about your application? I will if I didn't. |
| 03:14.56 | stoned | rumpl: in this case no. its becuase "you don't understand liberty. You don't understand liberty because you dont' understand freedom." |
| 03:15.14 | stoned | or some such GWB nonsenseical rhetoric |
| 03:15.14 | rumpl | Ok. Sorry. |
| 03:15.26 | peterS | gravity: you didn't, but a couple other people did. the questions are about personal history as recounted by someone I used to know. I can only guess who, as he chose to remain anonymous |
| 03:15.28 | Azar | peterS: what application, aren't you "one" ? |
| 03:15.37 | lindenle | anyone know a good/fast NAS with NFS support for a small (6) machine linux lab? |
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| 03:15.52 | peterS | gravity: thus additional me-too on -nm doesn't seem useful, though I appreciate the offer |
| 03:15.52 | gravity | peterS: Ok, well would you like me to speak up? I assume I have about as much insight in to your history as anyone else around here... |
| 03:15.57 | gravity | I'd be happy to |
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| 03:16.10 | gravity | peterS: Ok, if you change your mind, please don't hesitate. I'd be more than happy to. |
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| 03:16.31 | Supaplex | lindenle: NAS is a buzzword all too often. does the box only need to provide them NFS? or were you thinking fibre channel or something else as well? |
| 03:17.01 | peterS | gravity: the issue is about, if my guess is correct about who gave them the information, a run-in I had with a sysadmin some time before I ever heard of debian, and some misunderstanding about 'hacking attempts' |
| 03:17.13 | peterS | so like 12 years ago |
| 03:17.13 | Azar | yeah me too, I better stay like that |
| 03:17.38 | gravity | peterS: Aha, ok. Since I don't know about that, I might not really be all that helpful. Well, I'm pulling for you. I'd be shocked if you're really on perma-hold |
| 03:17.39 | peterS | this sounds very similar to the Goswin state, from the limited information I have about _that_ affair |
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| 03:18.04 | gravity | hrm |
| 03:18.12 | gravity | I thought that was just because he was an ass to people in the project |
| 03:18.26 | peterS | gravity: but I do check the nm status page occasionally, and I note that only one person has jumped through the DAM queue ahead of me, so the delay may indeed just be a matter of DAMpower |
| 03:18.30 | Azar | aw come one a 15yr old kid makes a mistake and when he reached 27 years of age, loses opportunities |
| 03:18.49 | peterS | Azar: 19 and 32, but yeah (: |
| 03:18.57 | gravity | peterS: That's more likely. I know it's been slow going lately, and Ganneff was super busy organizing Debconf and all |
| 03:19.22 | peterS | well, two people if you count an emeritus being reactivated, but I don't count that |
| 03:19.35 | Azar | peterS: I guess at least 50% of people did stupid things when kids |
| 03:20.00 | Azar | it should be counted from 21yr old and up.... |
| 03:20.07 | Supaplex | I atleast didn't do 50% of stupid things when a kid |
| 03:20.10 | peterS | Azar: the stupidity of my actions in 1995 were mainly in not realising how my behavior would be construed by paranoid admins. but anyway. |
| 03:20.56 | Azar | peterS: I know back that times when bulletin boards, and forums were mushrooming, abusive bans, rebelling kids and the desire of revenge.. |
| 03:21.13 | Azar | it was nothing Out-of -Normal |
| 03:21.13 | LordOlie | peterS, why don't you just wish that you weren't caught? |
| 03:21.18 | peterS | gravity: the other side of the equation is that when elmo called me he started with "I've looked at your app and technically it looks fine..." - implying that there wasn't any real verification left to do except for this anonymous complaint matter |
| 03:21.30 | gravity | peterS: That's good |
| 03:21.44 | gravity | I really liked elmo in person, btw. I think he'll be fair. |
| 03:22.00 | peterS | it's good but it also leaves the question of what would take so long (the call was in January, I think) |
| 03:22.07 | gravity | Wow |
| 03:22.18 | Azar | peterS: the new dpl... |
| 03:22.22 | peterS | well, maybe March, I'd have to check my email archives (he emailed to ask for a phone number) |
| 03:22.44 | peterS | ah yes, late March |
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| 03:24.30 | skew | I copied everything from /boot to a new partition, setup the bootloader to work from there, and made it /boot in fstab. It seems to be working, but I'm worried things might break if I upgrade the kernel or something - is there anything else I need to do? |
| 03:24.34 | peterS | as for mrvn, I understood that apart from concerns about his inter-developer relations, he'd been involved with some shady outfit (details unclear, but it wasn't GNAA) in the past, which colored the DAMs' judgment of his fitness |
| 03:24.44 | rahul | hrm |
| 03:24.47 | peterS | this is perhaps a rumor of a rumor |
| 03:24.55 | rahul | stoned: if I see my false twin tonight, what should I say? |
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| 03:25.54 | LordOlie | hello |
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| 03:29.45 | Nopalin | somebody knows why full nat support is not present on kernel 2.6.22.1 ? |
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| 03:30.01 | rahul | because you didn't enable it? |
| 03:30.02 | peterS | how do you define full nat support |
| 03:30.18 | rahul | arg |
| 03:30.23 | LordOlie | you get more then the nat's ass |
| 03:30.32 | Nopalin | rahul: it is not available on kernel configuration |
| 03:30.38 | Nopalin | i mean.. it does not exist |
| 03:30.40 | rahul | that makes no sense |
| 03:30.44 | valdyn | Nopalin: it works fine here |
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| 03:31.13 | Nopalin | y grep NAT on .config and i only see this : CONFIG_NATSEMI=m |
| 03:31.28 | rahul | erm |
| 03:31.38 | rahul | you're crazy |
| 03:31.51 | Nopalin | rahul: no i am not |
| 03:31.58 | Nopalin | that's because i came here |
| 03:31.59 | peterS | rumpl: France got bombed by the US? when? |
| 03:32.05 | rahul | peterS: WW II |
| 03:32.23 | rumpl | Nope, I'm in France now, but I'm serbian. |
| 03:32.24 | valdyn | Nopalin: disabled options are not in the .config unless you specify that to be the case |
| 03:32.29 | rahul | oh heh |
| 03:32.34 | rumpl | And Serbia got bombed in 1999. |
| 03:32.37 | rahul | yep |
| 03:32.40 | Supaplex | !snat |
| 03:32.40 | dpkg | it has been said that snat is Source NAT (ask me about NAT). |
| 03:32.44 | Supaplex | !dnat |
| 03:32.44 | dpkg | it has been said that dnat is Destination NAT (ask me about NAT) or http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/chunkyhtml/targets.html#DNATTARGET |
| 03:32.58 | grew | 404 |
| 03:33.01 | Nopalin | valdyn: at least they should appear when i do make menuconfig.. but they dont |
| 03:33.05 | LordOlie | rumpl, ermmm, I believe france was bombed by the US in WWII to aid them not destroy them |
| 03:33.16 | peterS | wait, I thought the US _supported_ Serbia in that little dispute |
| 03:33.24 | rahul | peterS: not really |
| 03:33.34 | Supaplex | Nopalin: stop gap question. what's wrong with the stock debian kernel? |
| 03:33.46 | rumpl | Serbia got bombed too in WWII, I don't remember why, but it was not by the nazis. |
| 03:34.09 | rahul | if stoned whines that I left without telling him, kick him in the nuts |
| 03:34.09 | Nopalin | Supaplex: i like to compile a kernel from kernel.org |
| 03:34.09 | valdyn | Nopalin: you are probably missed where the menu structure changed for netfilter stuff |
| 03:34.09 | valdyn | Nopalin: you probably missed where the menu structure changed for netfilter stuff |
| 03:34.24 | valdyn | Nopalin: all the stuff is still there though |
| 03:34.28 | Supaplex | Nopalin: check for a known working config from /boot/ |
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| 03:34.33 | Nopalin | valdyn: hmm weird for me |
| 03:34.44 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 03:34.44 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 03:34.58 | rumpl | peterS, _supported_, yes, but by bombing the military facilities. |
| 03:35.08 | Supaplex | YOU-: die |
| 03:35.12 | peterS | in fact if my memory is any good, the US was mainly criticised _because_ of its support for Serbia over the other factions |
| 03:35.13 | YOU- | :D |
| 03:35.20 | YOU- | hmm |
| 03:35.22 | YOU- | that was worth it |
| 03:35.23 | Nopalin | Supaplex: i did and makeolconfig with debian eth (kenel 1.6.18) and it fails anyway |
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| 03:35.28 | Taco|king | http://test.omfgesad.com :-D |
| 03:35.31 | Azar | wtf, my firefox just died on me |
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| 03:35.35 | rumpl | peterS, not while Clinton was in chagre. |
| 03:36.07 | rumpl | I know, trust me, I had to read my book wiht a candle light |
| 03:36.08 | peterS | rumpl: I guess my thinking was shaped by conversations I had in 1994, subsequent policy obviously didn't stay the same |
| 03:36.14 | Azar | debday.net crashes my firefox! |
| 03:36.14 | Nopalin | i did make oldconfig with debian etch (kernel 2.6.18)... sorry for my bad writing |
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| 03:36.38 | Supaplex | Nopalin: fails how? |
| 03:36.47 | Azar | someone please try http://debaday.debian.net/ see if has same result? |
| 03:37.05 | Nopalin | Supaplex: full nat support is not present on netfilter option when i do make menuconfig after make oldconfig |
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| 03:37.25 | rumpl | peterS, well 1994 and 1999, things change. |
| 03:37.28 | Supaplex | Nopalin: do you mean ipmasqrading, dnat or snat, or something else? |
| 03:37.29 | peterS | yeah |
| 03:38.06 | valdyn | /boot/config-2.6.22+git:CONFIG_NF_NAT=m |
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| 03:38.15 | Nopalin | Supaplex: i have been googling and i see that i have to enable full NAT support, but that option is missing |
| 03:38.16 | rumpl | Anyway, alive and well now. |
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| 03:38.35 | rumpl | And flooding #debian. |
| 03:38.40 | Azar | stoned: |
| 03:38.42 | rumpl | I will stop now. |
| 03:38.56 | Azar | stoned, my friend, can you help? |
| 03:39.26 | Azar | rahul! |
| 03:39.26 | Supaplex | Nopalin: I don't think it's labeld "full nat support" |
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| 03:40.25 | Azar | Supaplex: can you help please? |
| 03:40.49 | Supaplex | Azar: 1m. |
| 03:40.54 | Azar | ok |
| 03:41.05 | Supaplex | call me parnoid, but I'm running this some other way. |
| 03:41.20 | Azar | uh? |
| 03:41.27 | rumpl | Supaplex... you're paranoid... |
| 03:41.45 | Azar | ok I will try with links wtf |
| 03:42.21 | Nopalin | Supaplex: what option do i need to enabe? http://www.subir-imagenes.com/imagenes/7bc64d0a49.jpg |
| 03:42.42 | Nopalin | Supaplex: because i have enabled all, :s |
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| 03:43.23 | Supaplex | Azar: works fine here. debian etch. |
| 03:43.26 | Supaplex | iceweasel. |
| 03:43.37 | valdyn | Nopalin: make menuconfig -> Networking -> Networking Options -> Network packet filtering framework (Netfilter) --> IP: Netfilter Configuration ---> <M> Full NAT |
| 03:43.40 | craigevil | Azar: debaday is fine in Iceweasel and Firefox |
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| 03:44.01 | Nopalin | valdyn: that's what i have saying.. that option is missing, i dont know why |
| 03:44.04 | craigevil | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.5) Gecko/20070719 Iceweasel/2.0.0.5 (Debian-2.0.0.5-1) |
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| 03:44.27 | Nopalin | i have been saying* |
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| 03:45.11 | Supaplex | valdyn: iptables requires netfilter, and some other things. I don't have kernel source handy, or I'd grep for it. |
| 03:45.15 | Supaplex | valdyn: nm that |
| 03:45.25 | Supaplex | Nopalin: iptables requires netfilter, and some other things. I don't have kernel source handy, or I'd grep for it. |
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| 03:46.17 | Nopalin | Supaplex: i can enable ssh if you like, because i have had this problem some days.. i am getting creazy hehe |
| 03:47.26 | fholmes | I am having problems with a drive. I try to mount it and get a superblock error. |
| 03:47.44 | fholmes | I am running e2fsck on there. Any tips on how to recover the drive? |
| 03:48.09 | Azar | craigevil: thank you is fine in links but not in firefox: once the load is completed, it closes my firefox session |
| 03:48.15 | Azar | damn stupid php |
| 03:48.44 | Supaplex | Azar: try disabling your plugins |
| 03:48.56 | Supaplex | or create a second profile |
| 03:48.58 | valdyn | Nopalin: you are missing stuff in netfilter core i guess |
| 03:49.12 | Azar | Supaplex: plain firefox installation, no plugins |
| 03:49.13 | valdyn | Nopalin: Depends on: NET && INET && NETFILTER && IP_NF_IPTABLES && NF_CONNTRACK_IPV4 |
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| 03:49.33 | Azar | ahhhhhhhhhh!!! SSL 2.0 crashes it! |
| 03:49.37 | craigevil | why firefox and not iceweasel? |
| 03:49.45 | Azar | craigevil: sarge here |
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| 03:49.48 | Nopalin | valdyn: let me see, because i have enabled all, hmm maybe something i missed |
| 03:49.57 | valdyn | Nopalin: <M> Netfilter connection tracking support being my guess but i dont know.. |
| 03:49.58 | Azar | ok fixed, thank you guys |
| 03:50.36 | valdyn | Nopalin: you can still use a known working kernel config like one from debian/sid |
| 03:50.38 | craigevil | firefox has a bad habit of screwing its profile up, Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.5) Gecko/20070713 Firefox/2.0.0.5 |
| 03:51.03 | Azar | hmm nope wasn't that |
| 03:51.07 | Nopalin | valdyn: how can i download that config file? |
| 03:51.16 | Nopalin | valdyn: i mean, where can i download it? |
| 03:51.20 | valdyn | Nopalin: get the deb file |
| 03:51.21 | valdyn | !pdo |
| 03:51.21 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 03:51.31 | Supaplex | Azar: gdb is your friend |
| 03:51.33 | Azar | craigevil: I did some cookie cleanup this morning, and now everytime I go to debaday site, it closes it on load complete |
| 03:51.42 | Azar | Supaplex: what is gdb |
| 03:51.51 | Nopalin | valdyn: thanks |
| 03:51.56 | Supaplex | Azar: gnu debugger |
| 03:52.16 | Azar | Supaplex: hmm |
| 03:52.16 | fholmes | I keep getting Too Many Illegal Blocks in Inode ###. Clear Inode? Should I clear it? Am I deleteing data when I do that? |
| 03:52.25 | craigevil | Azar: create a testing profile for firefox firefox -profilemanager |
| 03:52.32 | Azar | Supaplex: so how do I do? gdb mozilla-firefox? |
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| 03:53.16 | Azar | I have tons of bookmarks damn otherwise I would just remove /install |
| 03:53.37 | Supaplex | Azar: there's a shell script that'll get in your way. try attching to the active pid |
| 03:53.43 | siimo | fholmes: sounds like your data is screwed |
| 03:53.58 | Nopalin | valdyn: why if i select Netfilter connection tracking suppor for built in... Full NAT is missing? |
| 03:54.03 | Supaplex | Azar: pstree -p | grep fire |
| 03:54.04 | fholmes | FCK |
| 03:54.15 | Rusty1 | Azar: so rename your .profile and do so |
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| 03:54.24 | fholmes | siimo: Any way to recover anything off there? |
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| 03:54.43 | Supaplex | Azar: then gdb -p $pid (where $pid is the process number/id) |
| 03:54.47 | siimo | fholmes: i dont really know not everything might be gone just corrupted stuff |
| 03:55.15 | fholmes | siimo: humm. Well, there was a program I used previously to try and recover data from ext3 partitions. |
| 03:55.17 | Supaplex | Azar: type "cont" at the (gdb) prompt, and let it crash. type 'bt full' when the prompt returns |
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| 03:57.09 | fholmes | siimo: So if I fix all the corrupted spots, will I be able to access the drive, sans the bad data? |
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| 03:58.38 | siimo | fholmes: probably |
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| 03:59.27 | fholmes | siimo: Cool, I know the drive was complaining in my messages file, but I am not sure, my data areas seemed to be working fine.. |
| 03:59.36 | fholmes | Thanks for your help. |
| 03:59.41 | Supaplex | back it up :) |
| 03:59.47 | Azar | Supaplex: thank you |
| 04:00.07 | Supaplex | Azar: any clues? http://rafb.net/paste is available |
| 04:00.19 | Azar | Supaplex: it wasn't my browser is the site, if I click on the first link title on the website _before_ the site loads completely, the browser won't crash |
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| 04:04.00 | Noborusan | AddDefaultCharset utf-8 or AddDefaultCharset utf8 ? |
| 04:04.40 | Azar | Supaplex: trying to check the source of that page fast, before closing the browser |
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| 04:06.13 | Nopalin | valdyn: ok now iptables works!, thank you man |
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| 04:08.35 | Azar | Supaplex: damn impossible to paste that source |
| 04:09.10 | Azar | Supaplex: is only that website.... tried everything, with/without js and scripts on... |
| 04:09.41 | Supaplex | Azar: you can try it again, but run 'script' first. it'll log a transcript. |
| 04:09.47 | tsocks | Azar: hello ;) |
| 04:10.01 | d00gster | guys I have this intel intergrated video chip that is supposed to run off of the i810 driver but xorg keeps on detecting "(EE) intel(0): detecting sil164" |
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| 04:11.17 | Inc | ok... what am I doing wrong |
| 04:11.22 | peterS | d00gster: sil164? eh? what does 'lspci' say your video chip is? |
| 04:11.34 | Inc | enlightenment2:/home/inc# apt-get install make |
| 04:11.34 | Inc | Reading package lists... Done |
| 04:11.34 | Inc | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 04:11.34 | Inc | make is already the newest version. |
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| 04:12.08 | peterS | Inc: the first thing you're doing wrong is pasting 4 lines to #debian |
| 04:12.22 | Inc | peterS: so I see :) |
| 04:12.26 | tsocks | Inc: read the topic !! .. |
| 04:12.45 | d00gster | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) |
| 04:12.48 | Supaplex | Inc: also, make is current. |
| 04:12.51 | Inc | tsocks: got the point :) |
| 04:12.58 | tsocks | Inc: ;) |
| 04:13.00 | Inc | then how do I get it? |
| 04:13.03 | d00gster | peterS : 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) |
| 04:13.05 | peterS | d00gster: so yeah the 865 chipset is supposed to be supported |
| 04:13.09 | Supaplex | Inc: it's already installed |
| 04:13.09 | Inc | basically I need autoconf |
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| 04:13.11 | Inc | make etcs |
| 04:13.18 | peterS | Inc: install build-essential |
| 04:13.22 | Inc | thanks |
| 04:13.30 | peterS | Inc: though I don't think that includes autoconf, so install that too |
| 04:13.43 | d00gster | peters, what do you think is going on with me system? |
| 04:13.43 | Inc | what about build-everything! |
| 04:13.46 | Supaplex | now he's asking smarter questions. :) |
| 04:14.11 | Inc | yeah, there arent any packages for autoconf |
| 04:14.31 | Azar | hi tsocks :) |
| 04:14.32 | peterS | Inc: well, build-essential basically means "a list of packages that everyone should have installed if they plan to compile anything at all, some things will obviously need more stuff than this and should specify that if so" |
| 04:15.00 | Inc | so build-essential will grab everything that I need right...? |
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| 04:15.18 | peterS | Inc: what do you mean, no packages for autoconf? there most certainly are, there are two. 'autoconf' is a current version, 'autoconf2.13' is an older version that some software still requires because autoconf 2.50 and newer broke some compatibility |
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| 04:15.45 | Inc | oh, nevermind I didn't read it |
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| 04:16.15 | Inc | that's great it said unpacking build-essential and then setting up build essential and then bam |
| 04:16.19 | Inc | that's it? |
| 04:16.19 | hardbop200 | hey all - I'm getting 'waiting for root filesystem' when booting with stock or self-compiled 2.6.2x kernels on my unstable system. googled it, read to chroot and apt-get install udev, but udev is at the latest version. any ideas? |
| 04:16.26 | CVD | debian? |
| 04:16.29 | Inc | no compiling crap and downloading other packages? |
| 04:16.40 | peterS | Inc: you didn't read what I said, did you? I didn't say build-essential is all you need. I actually said the opposite. |
| 04:16.59 | hardbop200 | CVD: if that was for me, yes debian unstable |
| 04:17.07 | Supaplex | Nopalin: tell me if you find iptables support for lightning strikes |
| 04:17.12 | Inc | peterS: you said build-essential was more or less what people need to compile stuff correct? |
| 04:17.16 | Inc | so it's a list of packages |
| 04:17.26 | Inc | so shouldn't it grab all the packages in the list and compile / set them up |
| 04:17.30 | peterS | Inc: it is a list of packages. I did not say it was a list of everything you could possibly want |
| 04:17.38 | Inc | correct |
| 04:17.39 | Supaplex | Inc: it's a metapackage that simply depends on those packages peterS is implying. |
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| 04:17.51 | CVD | Hey one Quest, what i gonna miss if i install debian right-now, im using ubuntu right-now? |
| 04:17.55 | Inc | Supaplex: ah, so he's saying I may need more than just those packages? |
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| 04:18.14 | Supaplex | Inc: aptitude show build-essential to see what it is. if you install build-essential, all dependencies are installed with it. |
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| 04:18.31 | peterS | Inc: technically speaking, it is the list of packages that are implied to be installed on any system where you build Debian packages. thus when Debian packages declare what they require in order to be built, they do not have to declare the contents of build-essential |
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| 04:18.55 | Inc | ENGLISH |
| 04:19.12 | d00gster | anybody could tell me why debian is confusing the drivers? |
| 04:19.33 | Inc | dude, keep things simple no need to impress any of the geeky women that may or may not be lurking around. |
| 04:19.37 | Inc | just say it straight up |
| 04:19.50 | Inc | does build-essential install packages? |
| 04:20.04 | peterS | Inc: I don't know how to say what I said any simpler than I already said it. the only woman I'm particularly interested in impressing would probably never show up in #debian anyway. |
| 04:20.09 | Inc | ./get some packages that may or may not be needed for building things |
| 04:20.40 | Supaplex | atleast peterS didn't say 73(hn1(4££¥ $p34|{1n9, 17 1$ 7h3 £1$7 0? p4(|{493$ 7h47 4r3 1mp£13Ð 70 b3 1n$74££3Ð 0n 4n¥ $¥$73m wh3r3 ¥0µ bµ1£Ð Ð3b14n p4(|{493$. 7hµ$ wh3n Ð3b14n p4(|{493$ Ð3(£4r3 wh47 7h3¥ r3qµ1r3 1n 0rÐ3r 70 b3 bµ1£7, 7h3¥ Ð0 n07 h4v3 70 Ð3(£4r3 7h3 (0n73n7$ 0? bµ1£Ð-3$$3n714£ |
| 04:20.41 | peterS | d00gster: I suspect this is not a debian-specific question - it is related to something about the intel video driver, maintained by x.org |
| 04:20.42 | Inc | peterS: well first off you started bad. None of this "technically speaking" stuff |
| 04:20.45 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 04:21.24 | Inc | Supaplex: when I'm this high it seems like he did |
| 04:21.26 | peterS | Inc: you may ignore my technical explanation if it is over your head. when I use "technically speaking" as a prefix, it is a warning that what follows is not necessarily useful for the average person to know |
| 04:21.35 | Inc | ok |
| 04:21.40 | Inc | so just answer my questions |
| 04:21.43 | SpinX | i just done a fresh install, i try installing things with apt. it asks to upgrade libc, i say yes.. then an error about linux kernel 2.6.1 |
| 04:21.49 | peterS | I thought I did already |
| 04:22.15 | Inc | 21:19 < Inc> does build-essential install packages? |
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| 04:22.16 | peterS | I said you should install build-essential but you may have to install other things, depending on ... you know ... depending on WHAT THINGS YOU ACTUALLY NEED. |
| 04:22.24 | Inc | ./get some packages that may or may not be needed for building things |
| 04:22.29 | Inc | ah, ok |
| 04:22.31 | Inc | there we go |
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| 04:24.13 | SpinX | it asks to upgrade libc6, i hit yes to libc and glibc, it says abunch of stuff like readlink: invalid option -- e, then about installing etch linux-image-2.6.. but i try, it gives me more errors |
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| 04:26.18 | Noborusan | hi peterS ,may i ask a mysql login problem ? |
| 04:26.23 | DragonD | How do i build a kernel module? |
| 04:26.37 | peterS | Noborusan: you don't need my permission |
| 04:26.38 | Noborusan | I am not sure if i have set a pass for mysql on root yet |
| 04:26.44 | Noborusan | ok |
| 04:26.46 | Supaplex | DragonD: depends on the kernel module |
| 04:26.51 | peterS | and you won't get an answer from me, as I don't use mysql |
| 04:26.53 | DragonD | Supaplex: |
| 04:27.17 | Noborusan | cuz i do 'mysql --version',it does print out version info,according to docs,means it doesnt have a pass set |
| 04:27.19 | Supaplex | Nopalin: if there's no root pw, this will work: mysql -u root |
| 04:27.20 | DragonD | Supaplex: it's ralink driver. |
| 04:27.32 | Noborusan | Supaplex, let me try |
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| 04:27.50 | Noborusan | Supaplex, ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| 04:27.58 | Commander-Crowe | Hi, how do I start telnetd? |
| 04:27.59 | DragonD | Supaplex: it comes as source and you do 'cp Makefile.6 Makefile' then 'make' |
| 04:28.00 | Supaplex | !tell DragonD -about ralink |
| 04:28.23 | Supaplex | Noborusan: the access denied part gives it away. |
| 04:28.29 | DragonD | Supaplex: i can't use that one |
| 04:28.47 | Noborusan | Supaplex, huh ? |
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| 04:29.27 | Supaplex | Noborusan: you need a password. |
| 04:30.02 | Supaplex | DragonD: ok, so how does the make work? does it fail? |
| 04:30.04 | Noborusan | Supaplex, but then, i do 'mysql -u root -p' then enter root pass,it says ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| 04:30.25 | DragonD | Supaplex: |
| 04:30.34 | Supaplex | Noborusan: you're using the wrong password, or - your mysql perms are *very* goofed up (less suspect) |
| 04:30.57 | Supaplex | Noborusan: s/mysql perms are/acl is/ |
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| 04:31.02 | DragonD | Supaplex: yeah. with /lib/modules/<kernel ver>/build not found |
| 04:31.15 | Supaplex | DragonD: what kernel do you have? uname -r |
| 04:31.17 | Noborusan | what do you mean by 'goofed up' ? |
| 04:31.31 | Supaplex | Noborusan: they might be bad. |
| 04:31.43 | Noborusan | I see |
| 04:31.46 | Supaplex | Noborusan: did you forget the root password on mysql? |
| 04:31.57 | Noborusan | Supaplex, i dont even have it set |
| 04:32.04 | DragonD | Supaplex: uname -a == Linux OMFG 2.6.18-4-486 #1 Mon Mar 26 16:39:10 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:32.15 | Noborusan | the mysql install came with DirectAdmin installation |
| 04:32.23 | Noborusan | DA aka a sorta webhosting panel |
| 04:32.37 | Supaplex | DragonD: linux-headers-2.6.18-4-486 needs to be installed |
| 04:33.00 | Commander-Crowe | ? |
| 04:33.46 | Supaplex | how is that installed anyway? seems like people have asked about it before. |
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| 04:34.49 | DavidProck1981 | does any one know how to mount a .cue / .bin file |
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| 04:35.23 | cafuego | DavidProck1981: Convert it to iso using bchunk, then mount the iso. |
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| 04:44.25 | DavidProck1981 | cafuego would i need to use the -r option, it is a movie |
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| 04:45.41 | DavidProck1981 | ive burned it once and it has a odd dirctory structor, and my DVD player will not play it |
| 04:45.56 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:46.14 | DavidProck1981 | and the files will not copy from the cd to the pc |
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| 04:46.40 | DavidProck1981 | and my son destoryed the cd i burned, and i dont what to burn it again |
| 04:46.59 | Supaplex | aptitude purge kids |
| 04:47.04 | Supaplex | ewps. |
| 04:47.20 | DavidProck1981 | lol |
| 04:50.54 | simonrvn | cafuego: you have a gpg key for that repo of yours? |
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| 04:56.18 | JeffH | When I connect my digital camera to my mac it always comes up as 'Untitled 1' Is there a way to give it a name that will stick? I can look at the info and change the name.. but when I unmount/remount the name reverts back. |
| 04:56.26 | simonrvn | cafuego: nm, i'll go see again |
| 04:56.38 | JeffH | oops.. wrong room.. sorry. |
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| 04:56.58 | shpchp | #debian-cn now is launched... :) |
| 04:57.17 | sigp239 | Say I have a 60GB hard drive and I want to delete everything on it. Would this command work: dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/hda1 bs=64424509440 count=1 |
| 04:57.54 | simonrvn | cafuego: found it ;) |
| 04:58.18 | sigp239 | ...assuming it's an IDE drive with a single partition |
| 04:58.25 | shpchp | How to invite the dpkg bot to #debian-cn? |
| 04:58.51 | streuner | shpchp: you don't |
| 04:59.05 | shpchp | oooh. sucks |
| 04:59.13 | streuner | !who owns you? |
| 04:59.13 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
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| 04:59.39 | streuner | shpchp: install that package and run it (apt-get install blootbot) |
| 05:00.04 | shpchp | streuner ☞ great thanks |
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| 05:01.46 | streuner | you are able to "link" from your bot to another (i.e. dpkg) |
| 05:02.03 | peterS | sigp239: not likely, that would require 60 GB of RAM. easier, and simpler, and more likely to work, would be: cp /dev/null /dev/hda |
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| 05:02.18 | peterS | sigp239: I say hda rather than hda1 as that would erase also the partition table and the boot sector |
| 05:02.30 | Azar | back with a gimp upgrade :) |
| 05:03.11 | DavidProck1981 | ok i got it converted to an iso, can u tell the the format to mount an iso, i rememver something like -o loop iso9960 something like that |
| 05:03.23 | peterS | -o loop -r -t iso9660 |
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| 05:04.36 | MangosDebian | peterS: hmm, what char does /dev/null write compared to /dev/zero? |
| 05:05.08 | peterS | MangosDebian: bah, you're right, I meant to say /dev/zero |
| 05:05.21 | peterS | sigp239: ignore me, MangosDebian is right, I'm wrong, /dev/zero will work whereas /dev/null will not |
| 05:05.44 | MangosDebian | peterS: ah ok, was wondering, I always thought it didnt move the file pointer with null, thought ive been missing something all these years :) |
| 05:06.23 | streuner | shpchp: another option would be, ask the owner about |
| 05:06.23 | peterS | MangosDebian: indeed, cp /dev/null /dev/hda would attempt to truncate hda at 0 bytes, and this would fail, so it would actually do nothing |
| 05:06.44 | MangosDebian | and take infinity amount of time :) |
| 05:06.46 | streuner | shpchp: to join your channel |
| 05:06.53 | MangosDebian | infinite* |
| 05:07.09 | peterS | MangosDebian: no, it would take no time, it would get EOF right away reading the input, so it would write nothing to the output |
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| 05:07.18 | MangosDebian | ahh cool |
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| 05:09.04 | mosno | is it 'better' (in terms of working-ness) to get Wine from the upstream deb repo or just the one in Etch? |
| 05:09.46 | shpchp | streuner ☞ thanks |
| 05:09.53 | simonrvn | you won't be able to use upstream with etch |
| 05:10.03 | mosno | simonrvn: they have a deb repo for Etch? |
| 05:10.07 | MangosDebian | as a general rule of thumb, i would think a etch package has a better chance of just working on install for any package. but it wont have all the latest bells and whistles of course |
| 05:10.25 | simonrvn | read what i said, not what you wanna hear |
| 05:10.58 | mosno | 'use upstream' == ? |
| 05:11.06 | DavidProck1981 | is this incorrect, mount -o loop -r -t iso9660 Transformers.iso /media/cdrom0 |
| 05:11.10 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: you wanna give me a beer? |
| 05:11.10 | DavidProck1981 | ? |
| 05:11.22 | simonrvn | you. won't. be. able. to. use. upstream. with. etch |
| 05:11.43 | MangosDebian | DavidProck1981: please tell me thats just a sample filename ;) |
| 05:11.44 | peterS | DavidProck1981: why the #@&$ are you asking us instead of trying it? |
| 05:11.53 | DavidProck1981 | uhhhh ya |
| 05:11.54 | mosno | ok, by upstream i mean http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb |
| 05:11.59 | mosno | sorry for the confusion..? |
| 05:12.10 | MangosDebian | you know, its people like you ruining it for the rest of us! :) |
| 05:12.16 | DavidProck1981 | i tri it and i get an error |
| 05:12.21 | simonrvn | yes, i mean winehq.org too |
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| 05:12.46 | mosno | simonrvn: are you saying http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/sources.list.d/etch.list is broken? please be more specific |
| 05:13.01 | simonrvn | different glibc will prevent it from working |
| 05:13.05 | sigp239 | MangosDebian: Would dban work better than if=/dev/zero ? |
| 05:13.17 | simonrvn | oh they do have an etch, so yes you *can* use that |
| 05:13.22 | mosno | lol |
| 05:13.40 | MangosDebian | sigp239: for a hd wipe? yes, but only cause its using random data instead of zero's |
| 05:13.41 | simonrvn | :). sorry for my confusion =) |
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| 05:14.01 | mosno | simonrvn: that's why i initially said 'upstream deb repo' :) it's cool dw |
| 05:14.09 | mosno | thanks for the energy at least :) |
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| 05:14.21 | sigp239 | MangosDebian: yes for hard drive wipe that will make it as close as possible to making the files irretrievable |
| 05:14.37 | MangosDebian | sigp239: your better off generating a gpg key, and piping /dev/zero through aespipe and out to your hd for speed and randomness that is impossible to guess without the key |
| 05:14.37 | simonrvn | usually 3rd party s/w don't build for stable unless they do so specifically |
| 05:14.44 | simonrvn | like them ^^^ |
| 05:15.09 | peterS | MangosDebian: wait, what does aespipe have to do with gpg? |
| 05:15.32 | DavidProck1981 | can someone make an example of how to mount an iso |
| 05:15.45 | MangosDebian | peterS: it uses a gpg key for the crypto iirc |
| 05:15.57 | peterS | DavidProck1981: your example sounds ok if the .iso file and the directory both exist and you are root |
| 05:16.16 | DavidProck1981 | all is but i get error |
| 05:16.18 | MangosDebian | peterS: although im sure a symmetric 8char password would be just as effective. although I tend to think gpg creates a better key |
| 05:16.24 | peterS | MangosDebian: that's strange. a block cipher using a key from an asymmetric cipher? |
| 05:16.30 | mosno | simonrvn: i've heard of this glibc dep hell, but im not sure i understand it. is it because glibc upstream release new 'features' that are only available in newer versions? |
| 05:16.56 | peterS | mosno: yes |
| 05:16.58 | MangosDebian | peterS: just using the key hash i believe in this case |
| 05:17.08 | mosno | well that sucks. |
| 05:17.12 | DavidProck1981 | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, |
| 05:17.31 | peterS | mosno: it's not any different from how most other libraries work. you build with version N, you can't necessarily run the executable with version N-1 |
| 05:17.39 | mosno | i would have thought the API would be more or less stable by now... could it be that glibc is too monolithic? |
| 05:17.43 | peterS | DavidProck1981: sounds like you don't have an ISO-9660 image on your hands |
| 05:17.45 | DavidProck1981 | mount -o loop -r -t iso9660 file.iso /home/prock/cd |
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| 05:19.00 | DavidProck1981 | peterS how can i use bchunk on the bin file to get the proper iso |
| 05:19.02 | Noborusan | how come mod_evasive is gone in etch ? |
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| 05:19.13 | peterS | DavidProck1981: I don't pirate movies so I'm the wrong guy to ask |
| 05:19.26 | Azar | honorables where can I get a log of the firefox errors? where could be located? /var/log.. ? |
| 05:19.38 | DavidProck1981 | can u tell me if there is a way to extract a bin file |
| 05:19.49 | peterS | who is this "u" person you are addressing? |
| 05:19.50 | sigp239 | if I have an encrypted partition (debian stable) and I just simply delete all my partitions and sell the HD to a stranger, would they be able to recover files from the area on the disc where the encrypted partition was? |
| 05:20.05 | unix_infidel | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.10 | DavidProck1981 | peterS can you tell me if there is a way to extract a bin file |
| 05:20.13 | Snover | !u |
| 05:20.13 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 05:20.31 | peterS | DavidProck1981: I'm going to ignore you now, because you explicitly ignored something I said 60 seconds ago |
| 05:20.43 | DavidProck1981 | huh |
| 05:21.00 | peterS | I said I don't pirate movies so I'm the wrong guy to ask. since you seem to have missed it the first time. |
| 05:21.06 | MangosDebian | peterS: fyi, even the loop-aes readme's use aespipe with a gpg key in every example ive seen |
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| 05:21.20 | Noborusan | Can anyone tell me how come dosevasive comes back in etch to replace mod_evasive? i remeber mod_evasive was designed to replace mod_dosevasive though |
| 05:22.33 | MangosDebian | sigp239: depends on the stranger and if he has access to microscopy equipment I think its called. but generally no, not if you zero it. |
| 05:22.58 | DavidProck1981 | peterS i just backed loged, and i dont see what you are talking about |
| 05:23.11 | Snover | [00:19:15] <peterS> DavidProck1981: I don't pirate movies so I'm the wrong guy to ask |
| 05:23.31 | DavidProck1981 | im not going to pirate it ither |
| 05:23.40 | DavidProck1981 | just watch it, not sell it |
| 05:24.36 | mosno | im not going to pirate Vista |
| 05:24.39 | mosno | juse use it, not sell it |
| 05:24.51 | DavidProck1981 | any one know how to extract a .bin file |
| 05:24.55 | mosno | not |
| 05:25.09 | Snover | no |
| 05:25.14 | Snover | nobody knows :) |
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| 05:25.21 | DavidProck1981 | :-[ |
| 05:25.49 | mosno | i thought i knew, but that would conflict with Snover, so i must be wrong. i will therefore stay silent. |
| 05:26.05 | Snover | mosno, you must have been mistaken ;) |
| 05:26.56 | peterS | no need to remove them, just rename them to .exe and let the virus scanners find 'em |
| 05:27.16 | DavidProck1981 | liol |
| 05:27.28 | MangosDebian | sigp239: http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/bookdescription.cws_home/710529/description#description |
| 05:28.04 | mosno | and by "virus scanner" we mean "sweep-and-delete-exe cronjob" |
| 05:28.20 | peterS | best kind of virus scanner |
| 05:28.27 | Snover | Nobody needs exe files |
| 05:28.41 | Snover | All the cool kids hide their extensions anyway |
| 05:29.14 | MangosDebian | sigp239: although a more proper way is to generate a gpg key, then use: dd if=/dev/zero bs=64k | aespipe -e AES128 -K my.gpg.key > /dev/hda |
| 05:29.17 | sigp239 | MangosDebian: wowzers |
| 05:29.42 | MangosDebian | sigp239: least i think thats the right syntax. That also requires you to have your gpg key on disk though |
| 05:29.53 | sigp239 | MangosDebian: How is the gpg key better than simply /dev/urandom ? |
| 05:30.02 | MangosDebian | speed |
| 05:30.17 | sigp239 | How much speed though? |
| 05:30.26 | sigp239 | I mean if it's the difference between 2 weeks and 2 hours that is one thing |
| 05:30.27 | MangosDebian | you can get 50,60,70+mb/s with devzero though a pipe compared to say 1 or 2mb for urandom |
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| 05:30.56 | MangosDebian | try it with a loopback on your system, or just > somefile.iso |
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| 05:31.09 | MangosDebian | instead of /dev/hda i mean |
| 05:32.02 | MangosDebian | sigp239: although your still just wipeing the data beyond any normal users ability to recover it. in which case zero's would work just as well |
| 05:32.05 | sigp239 | i could create a 1g somefile.iso with urandom and then with gpg key and measure the difference in times |
| 05:32.20 | MangosDebian | there you go |
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| 05:32.36 | sigp239 | MangosDebian: yea that's what I was originally thinking with /dev/null...although I was corrected to use /dev/zero instead (still don't know why though) |
| 05:33.01 | peterS | MangosDebian: so in your recommendation, why are you doing the 'dd bs=64k' part? is that really noticeably different from a simple shell input redirect? |
| 05:33.47 | peterS | aside from being harder to type, I mean |
| 05:34.57 | peterS | MangosDebian: don't tell me you're a member of the "block device access requires dd" religion. (/dev/zero isn't even a block device!) (: |
| 05:36.12 | aubade | It's a char/special, no? |
| 05:36.15 | peterS | yes |
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| 05:37.16 | sigp239 | Will "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda |
| 05:37.17 | sigp239 | " go to EOF? |
| 05:37.32 | sigp239 | or do I have to specify bs? |
| 05:37.34 | peterS | eventually it will. it will take a long time, as urandom is CPU-intensive |
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| 05:37.43 | peterS | unless hda is very small |
| 05:37.55 | peterS | but why use dd? just "cp /dev/urandom /dev/hda" instead |
| 05:37.57 | peterS | much simpler |
| 05:38.09 | sigp239 | I didn't know you could use cp in that way :) |
| 05:38.48 | peterS | sigp239: see, this is what I mean when I talk about the "block device access must use dd" religion. people have blind faith in this principle, for no reason at all. |
| 05:38.50 | sigp239 | but cp still has the same cpu intensivity issue as dd does right? |
| 05:38.53 | peterS | yes |
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| 05:39.09 | peterS | the CPU usage is in the kernel, generating all that extremely strong pseudo-randomness |
| 05:39.31 | sigp239 | roger |
| 05:39.49 | peterS | sigp239: well, that's a bit unfair - people don't believe in dd for no reason. they believe in it without evidence, but the reason is that it's what they were told by others. hence, a religion (: |
| 05:40.06 | sigp239 | I wonder how long it would take to cp /dev/urandom /dev/hda for let's say a 300GB hard drive on a regular P4 or maybe Core 2 |
| 05:40.33 | mosno | peterS: i think a big problem is that there's no easy way for an intermediate user to figure out the actual difference between say dd and cp |
| 05:40.54 | sigp239 | peterS: in that case, linux must be a religion and you all are my bishops |
| 05:40.54 | peterS | mosno: well, the more apt comparison is dd and cat. of course, cat works for all these purposes too. |
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| 05:41.23 | mosno | peterS: not sure if this applies exactly to dd and cp, but often i find in GNU/Linux there's a 'roof' to what you can figure out in the system, and only reading the source (or maybe getting lucky on a mailling list) can help you understand |
| 05:41.29 | Azar | if my firefox browser closes while trying to complete a webpage load, where do I get to see the errors? |
| 05:41.33 | mosno | s/roof/upper limit/ |
| 05:41.35 | peterS | sigp239: you can find out easily enough, by putting pv in the middle. 'aptitude install pv', then do 'pv -s 300000000000 < /dev/urandom > /dev/hda'. it will show you a progress bar and everything. |
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| 05:42.49 | peterS | sigp239: note, the -s 300000000000 is just an estimate, to tell pv how much data you expect, so it can draw a proper status bar and ETA countdown |
| 05:42.50 | mosno | and tools like pv remain hidden from my sight until someone points them out :) |
| 05:43.07 | MangosDebian | peterS: the bs=64k was part of the direct quote from the loop-aes, sorry, next time ill do reference in proper format :) |
| 05:43.38 | sigp239 | peterS: couldn't I calculate the amount of bytes to expect by just multiplying the hard drive GB x 1024 x 1024 x 1024? |
| 05:43.39 | peterS | mosno: pv is interesting - I thought about implementing it for literally _years_, one day I discovered that someone else had done so and packaged it in debian, and I was like ... all these years waiting silently to get around to doing this, and someone else manages to have the same idea and save me the trouble |
| 05:44.09 | peterS | sigp239: no, because hard disk manufacturers use 1000000000 bytes per GB, not 1024*1024*1024. this makes the numbers bigger that they print on the outside of the box. |
| 05:44.09 | MangosDebian | peterS: as for the "block device access" religion no, I actually had this discussion the other day with someone who said cp file.img /dev/fd0 wouldnt work, or rather should use dd as well |
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| 05:44.29 | MangosDebian | now if you guys dont mind, i got a tuna sandwhich with my name all over it |
| 05:45.12 | mosno | peterS: may i ask how you happened to discover it |
| 05:45.17 | peterS | MangosDebian: as I used to say, "tuna ezali mabe te". this is a pun, actually, on a more common expression "kotuna ezali mabe te", meaning literally "to ask is not bad", or "it doesn't hurt to ask". my rendition is "tuna isn't bad". |
| 05:45.34 | peterS | mosno: oh, I dunno, probably browsing the list of packages recently added to debian unstable. this was a long time ago, maybe 2001 |
| 05:45.36 | MangosDebian | :) |
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| 05:46.14 | sigp239 | peterS: so then why not just multiply number of GB by 1000000000? |
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| 05:46.27 | peterS | sigp239: if you look very very closely, you might notice that I did exactly that |
| 05:46.29 | MangosDebian | im getting the feeling they use bs=64k for efficency though. dd use 1byte by default i assume? |
| 05:46.44 | mosno | peterS: ok. sometimes i have the urge to skimp through all debian package descriptions, writing down interesting ones. (i suppose you could then monitor for 'new' packages and have a more or less complete knowledge of all debian packages). i never can be bothered. |
| 05:46.47 | sigp239 | peterS: yes yes :) but you said it was an estimate |
| 05:46.48 | peterS | MangosDebian: dd uses 512 bytes by default. cp and cat and most other utilities use 4096 bytes, so they're more efficient |
| 05:47.01 | MangosDebian | ahh cool, ty for the tidbit |
| 05:47.19 | peterS | MangosDebian: anyway, who cares about efficiency at that level? running a block cipher is orders of magnitude less efficient than calling the kernel to ask it to read a sector from cache. |
| 05:47.28 | elvedin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.32 | elvedin | Woops |
| 05:47.37 | peterS | sigp239: it is an estimate because you don't know that the disk is _exactly_ 300 GB |
| 05:47.54 | peterS | it may be a few bytes more, to round up to the nearest cylinder boundary or whatever |
| 05:47.59 | mosno | while we're on the subject, how can you determine the maximum block size to transfer with? ie. to minimise time of transfer. |
| 05:48.28 | sigp239 | peterS: ok but for the purposes of providing a useful estimate to a human, it would be good enough. |
| 05:48.32 | peterS | mosno: what kind of transfer are we talking about? for TCP/IP on Ethernet, I suspect you want to keep below the Ethernet maximum packet size, which is 1500 bytes |
| 05:49.08 | level1_ | where is the kmail contact list kept on a filesystem? somewhere under ~/.kde, I assume? |
| 05:49.08 | peterS | mosno: though really this is handled deep in the bowels of the TCP kernel code, an app doesn't have to think much about it |
| 05:49.08 | mosno | ie. is there some syscall that you can pass a pathname to that determines the underlying device and returns you the max block size of the device? |
| 05:49.08 | mosno | (may be an oversimlification) |
| 05:49.36 | mosno | peterS: eg from IDE HDD to USB HDD or something. can be whatever device. |
| 05:49.38 | peterS | mosno: I wouldn't worry about that either. the kernel does its own file readahead and write-behind buffering. the main thing about reading or writing lots of data at a time is avoiding too many system calls, but those in Linux are quite cheap |
| 05:49.58 | Azar | ok guys I got my error, X crashes firefox: http://paste.debian.net/33170 |
| 05:50.13 | mosno | peterS: so i just dont specify blocksize and linux just does the fastest thing? |
| 05:50.17 | peterS | thus the glibc stdio default of a 4096-byte I/O buffer is quite sensible |
| 05:50.18 | Supaplex | cheaper than motor fuel |
| 05:50.59 | peterS | mosno: it may not do the very fastest thing possible, but I suspect the measurable difference will be below 1% |
| 05:51.05 | sigp239 | I wonder if doing a first pass with /dev/zero and then doing a /dev/urandom would provide a significant benefit? |
| 05:51.10 | peterS | i.e., pretty much down in the noise |
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| 05:51.38 | mosno | peterS: cool. i remember at my old workplace we'd issue -C10240 on the cpio command when writing to tape, regardless of the underlying tape device type/age |
| 05:51.50 | mosno | one of those things you'd 'just do and not question' |
| 05:51.59 | Daveyboy | I need to install php5 from source becuase there maybe a problem with the package install via apt-get. I downloaded and installed with checkinstall but my phpinfo page in apache2 shows vesion 5.1.2 where as my cli version shows 5.2.3, I need them to both be 5.2.3, any suggestions? |
| 05:51.59 | Supaplex | sigp239: urandom takes cputime to generate, zero is faster |
| 05:52.25 | peterS | mosno: what does -C mean to cpio? if it actually changes the file format to accommodate being in 10kB, that would be sensible |
| 05:53.00 | sigp239 | Supaplex: ok. good to know. but I was wondering if first laying down a set of zeros before doing the urandom would provide a benefit as far as increasing the difficulty of someone trying to read files from a hard drive |
| 05:53.04 | mosno | peterS: Set the I/O block size to IO-SIZE bytes. |
| 05:53.18 | peterS | mosno: btw, if you are really interested in controlling kernel I/O behavior programmatically, you want to read 'man posix_fadvise' |
| 05:53.53 | mosno | 'predeclare an access pattern for file data' |
| 05:54.04 | peterS | sigp239: yes, multiple writes will make it harder to read than one write. the more writes, the better, up to a point. I don't know where that point is for various classes of adversaries. |
| 05:54.12 | Daveyboy | I need to install php5 from source becuase there maybe a problem with the package install via apt-get. I downloaded and installed with checkinstall but my phpinfo page in apache2 shows vesion 5.1.2 where as my cli version shows 5.2.3, I need them to both be 5.2.3, any suggestions? |
| 05:54.27 | peterS | mosno: yeah, basically you tell the kernel for example "this is an mp3 file, so after I read it and do something with it, I'll probably never need it again" |
| 05:54.33 | mosno | 'really interested' for me would be optimizing precompiled programs |
| 05:54.40 | mosno | so i guess this doesn't count. but thanks for the ip |
| 05:54.41 | Staz | peterS : I am playing with 'pv' now, it is VERY nice :) |
| 05:54.41 | mosno | tip* |
| 05:54.42 | Staz | cheers |
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| 05:54.56 | peterS | Staz: heh, amazing little utility, I like to mention it occasionally so people hear about it |
| 05:54.59 | MangosDebian | sigp239: not neccesarily. Each manufacturer has its own hd encoding. As I am most people in this chanel are away, the letter "A" in binary isnt always saved on the drive as that exact ascii->binary number. MFM and RLL encodings were old <512mb drives, not sure what drives use today, but basically theres no guarentees that a 0x00 is saved as that on the platters. The best you can do is cycle through random values, or use the built |
| 05:55.09 | MangosDebian | s/away/aware/ |
| 05:55.22 | sigp239 | peterS: so how would dban be better than /dev/zero followed by /dev/urandom? |
| 05:55.36 | sigp239 | MangosDebian: ^ question to you as well |
| 05:55.52 | peterS | sigp239: I don't know, I'd probably assume my enemies don't have thousands of dollars to spend on recovering my email, so I'd just use a single random pass |
| 05:55.53 | MangosDebian | sigp239: dban probably uses dod standards for erasing, ie: special patterns and multiple passes |
| 05:56.00 | Supaplex | !shred |
| 05:56.00 | dpkg | shred, rap, powd, dude |
| 05:56.12 | Supaplex | dumb factoid. no biscuit. |
| 05:56.14 | MangosDebian | sigp239: there, dban is more akin to the shred command |
| 05:56.27 | sigp239 | dban = proprietary? |
| 05:57.02 | MangosDebian | I swear we had a 2 hour long talk about this like yesterday give or take |
| 05:57.15 | MangosDebian | xingu: wasn't that with you? |
| 05:57.52 | MangosDebian | sigp239: is the hd your running in the linux box your on now? |
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| 05:58.16 | sigp239 | MangosDebian: no this is all theoretical at this point |
| 05:58.25 | MangosDebian | ..... |
| 05:58.38 | peterS | sigp239: honestly, if you don't think the data will be worth thousands of dollars to whoever might get their hands on the disk, a single write should suffice. if it _is_ potentially worth millions to a company or government, then you probably want about 7 passes. |
| 05:58.43 | sigp239 | actually my friend asked me how to erase his data before selling his HD |
| 05:58.47 | Supaplex | did he take the red pill? |
| 05:59.08 | karrotx | the government does 24 passes |
| 05:59.22 | peterS | do they now? I heard 9 was supposed to be sufficient |
| 05:59.25 | karrotx | that's for non-top secret information |
| 05:59.26 | Supaplex | if it's worth millions, destroy it with thermite |
| 05:59.33 | MangosDebian | sigp239: you know what. Just zero your drive, |
| 05:59.41 | karrotx | there was an article; they did 80 passes and then they burned the disc |
| 05:59.50 | Staz | 'pv' should be added to 'deboftheday' :) |
| 05:59.52 | peterS | yeah, if you're really sitting on millions of dollars in data, you don't need the extra $60 you can get on the used hard drive market anyway, right? |
| 05:59.53 | MangosDebian | its fast and impossible no matter what to recover without specialized equipment |
| 05:59.56 | karrotx | they gave the disk to utah university and they were able to extract data |
| 06:00.10 | Staz | or 'package of the day' I think it is |
| 06:00.13 | Supaplex | peterS agrees with my logic. :) |
| 06:00.16 | peterS | Staz: yeah, perhaps |
| 06:00.27 | MangosDebian | karrotx: turn it to slag :) |
| 06:00.32 | karrotx | slag? |
| 06:00.37 | Supaplex | HAH |
| 06:00.38 | MangosDebian | karrotx: melt it |
| 06:00.43 | Supaplex | I mean HAHAHAHA |
| 06:00.46 | Supaplex | !thermite |
| 06:00.46 | dpkg | i guess thermite is ask about <sid>, or see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIqC610k1gY |
| 06:00.54 | MangosDebian | Supaplex: or thermite :) |
| 06:01.00 | karrotx | if they were able to extract the data from particle dust |
| 06:01.03 | Supaplex | yes I said that :P |
| 06:01.04 | karrotx | i think slag would be possible |
| 06:01.16 | MangosDebian | Supaplex: I would think my local hardware store would get suspicous if I asked for some though :) |
| 06:01.36 | peterS | the hardware store may not care, but the DHS might find out.. |
| 06:01.41 | Supaplex | it's legal to own and use, atleast in the states. it's used for welding |
| 06:01.44 | MangosDebian | karrotx: unlikely. The magnetic coating would reach its curee point and loose its properties |
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| 06:02.06 | MangosDebian | Supaplex: serious? thought it was specialized demolitions stuff |
| 06:02.13 | sigp239 | I work in communications in the army....in a facility that operates equipment with a secret clearance. we have a big magnet machine. we just plop the drive on it and turn it on. it makes a big noise and the hard drive vibrates for about 20 seconds. then we just dispose of it. |
| 06:02.15 | Supaplex | it's rust and aluminum |
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| 06:03.33 | MangosDebian | sigp239: Even degaussing from what I read isnt a guarentee as the spacing between the fields is greater than the spacing of the bits on the platter. Would leave "gaps". Although, thats all theory from what ive read. |
| 06:04.42 | MangosDebian | or at least the density of bits on modern systems |
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| 06:05.05 | Supaplex | dem bits dem bits, demmm bits |
| 06:05.18 | MangosDebian | older 2gig ish drives of course would be no problem as the bit density was nothing compared to today |
| 06:06.04 | peterS | the correct solution is to use encrypted partitions from the beginning. with a really strong key stored on a USB-connected dongle of some sort, preferably tethered to the operator by a lanyard. the key would be unlocked by a passphrase. |
| 06:06.06 | MangosDebian | of course, thats just what i read so don't blame me if someone recovers your data :p |
| 06:06.20 | MangosDebian | a lanyard? |
| 06:06.29 | peterS | at boot time you insert the flash disk, type the passphrase, it boots, you remove it |
| 06:06.33 | Supaplex | a tight rope around your neck |
| 06:06.34 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 06:06.38 | peterrus | some sort of strap you wear around your neck |
| 06:06.44 | peterrus | a tight rope >___> |
| 06:06.45 | peterS | yeah a plastic necklace holding your ID badge, sort of thing |
| 06:06.56 | MangosDebian | ahh |
| 06:07.02 | peterrus | Supaplex, those are the kind of ropes you use |
| 06:07.09 | mosno | is there some usb flash type device which has built in security? ie. some OS-independent authentication/authorisation mechanism? |
| 06:07.19 | mosno | (or maybe OS-dependent) |
| 06:07.23 | Supaplex | I avoid them. I've thrown a few away. |
| 06:07.41 | peterS | mosno: you mean a USB stick that has its own independent keypad on the outside of the stick, where you have to type a PIN before it turns on? not that I've heard of |
| 06:07.48 | MangosDebian | mosno: biometrics? |
| 06:08.14 | MangosDebian | ive seen some with fingerprint scanners on them I think online |
| 06:08.22 | sigp239 | peterS: how is that better than the debian encrypted partition method that was just supported in stable? |
| 06:08.30 | MangosDebian | no idea if theres a software requirement though to read it |
| 06:08.31 | mosno | not biometrics, and no keypad (but that's a good idea). just something that stops users/programs from lifting the privkey from the usb stick |
| 06:08.48 | mosno | (not filesystem permissions. selinux would come close, but yea) |
| 06:09.07 | MangosDebian | mosno: how would you trigger the unlock though? |
| 06:09.23 | peterS | sigp239: debian's thing requires the operator to type a passphrase only. that is crackable as people tend to choose poor passwords. by storing the actual key on removable media, you can have a really strong key, without relying on someone to remember a really long password. the point of it being removable is that it's not on the hard disk itself. |
| 06:10.02 | peterS | sigp239: protecting the key with a password is just an additional layer, to protect against consequence of casual theft or borrowing of the USB key itself |
| 06:10.20 | mosno | MangosDebian: that's another issue. you can be owned by hw kb keyloggers |
| 06:10.22 | sigp239 | peterS: but if you stipulate that the person remembers a strong password, then the removable media method you mention is no better? |
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| 06:10.35 | MangosDebian | peterS: but then the issue is you need to also verify your kernel on the hd every system start. Unless you store it on the usb key and boot that way, but then the usb key becomes the weak link and prone to theft/tampering |
| 06:10.37 | peterS | sigp239: it is said that authentication can use three methods: something you are (fingerprints), something you have (the USB stick) or something you know (a password) |
| 06:10.47 | peterS | sigp239: by doing 2 of these things instead of just one, you increase your security somewhat |
| 06:10.56 | MangosDebian | mosno: well, a kb logger wont matter without the key iteself though |
| 06:11.06 | MangosDebian | mosno: something you have, and something you know security |
| 06:11.21 | MangosDebian | what peterS said :) |
| 06:11.33 | mosno | MangosDebian: i suppose if the system is untrusted, there's not much you can do |
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| 06:11.45 | peterS | MangosDebian: the idea is to protect your data from someone else getting hold of the hard disk. remember, we were originally talking about selling the hard disk. I don't mean to be peddling some kind of ultimate universal security token |
| 06:11.48 | mosno | MangosDebian: because people can always lift your data and log your keys |
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| 06:12.16 | MangosDebian | arguable, there is nothing you are that isnt easy to find out. Eye doctors store your retenas, police/government has your finger print, and a voice sample would be easy to get if not from ma bell |
| 06:12.30 | peterS | MangosDebian: with a 256-bit twofish key on a USB stick, I'd be comfortable selling the hard disk without even erasing it |
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| 06:12.49 | MangosDebian | peterS: i would agree |
| 06:12.56 | peterS | MangosDebian: the other problem with biometrics - once yours have been cracked, how do you change your 'password'? you only have 10 of them (: |
| 06:13.07 | sigp239 | is that what debian uses? a 256-bit twofish key (whatever that is) |
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| 06:13.38 | peterS | sigp239: I don't know what debian uses, but whatever it is, it's stored right on the hard drive, unlocked by a single password. that makes the password probably the weak point. |
| 06:13.45 | MangosDebian | im happy with just zeroing the drive myself for personal, but should I need to properly destroy for financial business (ie: customer data etc) then I would go a little more through |
| 06:13.48 | sebdah | Hi there! My Postfix server is a bit rude. Does any of you guys know what he means: http://pastebin.ca/629373? |
| 06:14.37 | MangosDebian | peterS: burn your fingerprints ala men in black, wear contacts which alter your retenas and use voice box with a modulation only you know :) |
| 06:15.09 | sigp239 | MangosDebian: it's too late nobody here is off the grid since birth |
| 06:15.11 | sigp239 | :) |
| 06:15.17 | sebdah | nothing, got it solved =) my bad reading was the reason |
| 06:15.20 | peterS | MangosDebian: I do have a scar on one fingerprint, I wonder if someone who had taken my fingerprints before I got the scar (I don't remember when I got it, but many many years ago) would be able to match it now |
| 06:15.42 | MangosDebian | sebdah: MAIL-FROM or MAIL FROM? |
| 06:15.54 | MangosDebian | been a while since i telnet though |
| 06:15.59 | MangosDebian | don't remember a - |
| 06:16.12 | MangosDebian | MAIL FROM and RCPT TO iirc |
| 06:16.20 | peterS | talking about SMTP? MAIL FROM:<...> has no hyphen in SMTP, and no space after the : |
| 06:16.42 | MangosDebian | peterS: what, you send all your email via nc? :p |
| 06:16.46 | MangosDebian | die hard! |
| 06:16.47 | peterS | (the space after : is inserted by certain broken clients, or was at one time, but the standard never allowed it) |
| 06:17.10 | peterS | MangosDebian: no, but I've been _known_ to send mail via telnet |
| 06:17.23 | MangosDebian | your naughty |
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| 06:17.47 | peterS | MangosDebian: I can't nowadays, at least conveniently, because my ISP blocks outgoing port 25. so when I do need to, I have to first ssh to some box elsewhere in the world. fortunately I have a couple of shell accounts in europe. |
| 06:17.51 | MangosDebian | try doing it with windows telnet that messes up with ^W |
| 06:17.53 | sebdah | MangosDebian: MAIL FROM =) |
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| 06:18.22 | MangosDebian | sebdah: be glad your MTA doesnt drop your connection after 3 seconds on idle :) |
| 06:19.02 | peterS | MangosDebian: I don't complain about this blocking port 25 thing. if I had a static IP, I might complain, as there would be reason to believe I wanted to run serious internet services at home. but I'm not willing to pay for a static. |
| 06:20.04 | MangosDebian | peterS: ya it sucks. I used to have cable and I could port 25 to my hosted domain just fine. Now on dsl they block it and the only way to send mail is via their web interface. Don't think they have a non port 25 open but I will have to check |
| 06:20.50 | sigp239 | I never understood why cisco routers use telnet since it's a plain text data. don't most people ssh into servers? why doesn't cisco do ssh? |
| 06:21.19 | MangosDebian | sigp239: does cisco use ipsec or any sort of tls? |
| 06:21.36 | MangosDebian | if that were the case it wouldnt matter much what you use |
| 06:21.38 | peterS | MangosDebian: the other reason I don't complain is that my ISP's smarthost is very fast and reliable. I mean, I send something to a mailing list and I get it back within 10 seconds. that's going through my local postfix, my ISP's mail server, the list server, and straight back to my postfix, in 5 to 10 seconds. |
| 06:21.40 | mosno | sigp239: yes i've seen cisco external interfaces with just telnet too |
| 06:22.16 | MangosDebian | peterS: you lucky bastard. Guess who bell canada uses for email.....*cough* |
| 06:22.26 | peterS | who? I have no idea |
| 06:22.34 | MangosDebian | YAY! I'm a hotmail member! |
| 06:22.40 | peterS | whoa, you lucky stiff. |
| 06:22.44 | MangosDebian | MSN Premium of course |
| 06:22.58 | peterS | I don't use the ISP service for incoming mail, only for outgoing |
| 06:23.05 | sigp239 | mangosdebian: i just don't know why i should have to add an ipsec tunnel or whatever to offer protection for telnet into cisco router........why not simply just have ssh ability already built-in to router? |
| 06:23.05 | MangosDebian | and whats worse, the is NO turning off spam filters. Can only set to low |
| 06:23.16 | peterS | for incoming, I rely on myself and a dyndns service. I know this is not reliable, but it works well enough. |
| 06:23.39 | MangosDebian | peterS: so I have no way to verify a message came or not unless I sign into hotmail every few days and check my spam box :( *cries* |
| 06:23.50 | peterS | MangosDebian: doh |
| 06:23.53 | MangosDebian | sigp239: is ssh GPL? |
| 06:24.06 | peterS | MangosDebian: I guess I'm fortunate that they don't block incoming tcp25, only outgoing, so I _can_ run my own mail server |
| 06:24.12 | sigp239 | mangosdebian: i see your point there |
| 06:24.22 | sigp239 | mangosdebian: that's too bad |
| 06:24.42 | MangosDebian | sigp239: I bet the ssh boys are just waiting for cisco to slip openbsd ssh into their router by mistake and pounce :) |
| 06:25.08 | peterS | sigp239: some routers do have ssh servers built in. openssh is new-BSD-licensed, so any company can use it without hassles. the openssh hackers would like nothing more than for cisco and every other router vendor to incorporate it. |
| 06:25.19 | MangosDebian | sigp239: Im sure they could write their own version of ssh though. No idea why they dont |
| 06:25.35 | MangosDebian | cool |
| 06:25.46 | peterS | MangosDebian: see above. the openssh hackers _want_ the whole world to use it. they want to kill telnet once and for all. |
| 06:26.00 | peterS | well I mean as a protocol where you actually log in to things |
| 06:26.30 | MangosDebian | ya, I agree that encryption should be in them over telnet |
| 06:26.30 | peterS | the telnet protocol will never die as things like anonftp are also built on it |
| 06:26.33 | Noborusan | libapache-mod-security is gone in etch,hmmm |
| 06:27.27 | basanta | #debian-live |
| 06:27.29 | MangosDebian | anonftp? or tftp? |
| 06:27.53 | MangosDebian | or you mean plain text services in general? |
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| 06:29.06 | Zap-W | anyone know a kerbebros jabber client GSSAPI |
| 06:29.16 | jetscreamer | so telnet sucks, or what |
| 06:29.25 | streuner | no |
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| 06:29.26 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search jabber ? |
| 06:29.30 | peterS | MangosDebian: no, tftp is UDP. I meant anonymous ftp, which is TCP 20 and TCP 21. |
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| 06:29.42 | streuner | jetscreamer: for testing connections its just fine |
| 06:29.53 | MangosDebian | peterS: isnt that just "ftp" though using anonymouse+guest@? |
| 06:29.59 | MangosDebian | hehe, oops typo |
| 06:30.02 | peterS | MangosDebian: yes. and it is built on the telnet protocol. |
| 06:30.37 | peterS | the RFC actually brings in the telnet protocol RFC by reference, as I recall |
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| 06:30.58 | peterS | (in case this isn't clear, the telnet protocol is _not_ the same as "bare TCP") |
| 06:31.01 | MangosDebian | probably to define charsets and such |
| 06:31.20 | MangosDebian | CR/LF's etc |
| 06:32.10 | peterS | well, negotiating whether the local end or the remote end is responsible for echoing your characters. for example. |
| 06:32.28 | jetscreamer | which factoid has the example in it for passing dpkg options to apt-get |
| 06:32.31 | MangosDebian | oh well. Not exactly something you read when your bored |
| 06:32.31 | peterS | (more precisely, enabling or disabling "local echo") |
| 06:32.37 | jetscreamer | !confmiss |
| 06:32.37 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 06:32.40 | jetscreamer | there we go |
| 06:33.29 | MangosDebian | peterS: sounds almost like serial communications |
| 06:33.39 | MangosDebian | wonder if theres overlap |
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| 06:33.58 | peterS | MangosDebian: it is reminiscent, yes. there are various telnet protocol options that client and server can negotiate at any time, typically at the beginning of the connection |
| 06:34.28 | peterS | thus it isn't a "binary-clean" interface in the sense of being able to pipe arbitrary binary data through a telnet connection and expect it to be intact at the other end |
| 06:34.34 | MangosDebian | can you LD_PRELOAD a telnet session? |
| 06:34.47 | peterS | by contrast, rsh and ssh _are_ binary-clean, if you disable allocating a tty |
| 06:35.20 | peterS | this is why rcp / scp don't have to use base64 internally, or something |
| 06:35.40 | sebdah | Hi! I can send mail from my server using "telnet localhost 25" but when connecting from my home computer I dont reach the server. iptables accepts all in all chains. What parameter in main.cf should be edited? |
| 06:36.25 | MangosDebian | sebdah: possible your isp blocks port 25 on you? |
| 06:36.34 | peterS | sebdah: try 'telnet a.b.c.d 25' from your local host, where a.b.c.d is your real IP, not 127.0.0.1 |
| 06:36.45 | peterS | see if that works |
| 06:36.50 | MangosDebian | ahh sorry, perhaps I misread where you connecting to/from |
| 06:36.59 | peterS | if it does, it isn't a postfix problem but a network problem - someone is firewalling you, either your own NAT, or your ISP |
| 06:37.28 | sebdah | MangosDebian: I'm connecting from home to my server |
| 06:37.50 | MangosDebian | sebdah: ya, but I dont know where "my server" is in relation to "from home" |
| 06:38.00 | peterS | sebdah: note, my ISP blocks _outgoing_ connections to port 25. so if you were using my ISP, you'd observe the same symptoms connecting from your home computer to _anywhere_ port 25, including your hosted server |
| 06:38.07 | MangosDebian | on the same subnet I would say firewall, across the net I would say isp |
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| 06:38.39 | peterS | sebdah: try 'telnet master.debian.org 25', if you can't connect, the problem is at the client end |
| 06:38.50 | sebdah | MangosDebian: You're right. I go through my ISP to reach the server which has another ISP and another location |
| 06:39.12 | sebdah | peterS: thanks |
| 06:39.13 | MangosDebian | 2isps? joy |
| 06:39.23 | sebdah | peterS: client end then, it seems |
| 06:39.39 | MangosDebian | you couldnt connect to mail.d.o? |
| 06:39.43 | peterS | sebdah: *nod*. so if you need to test the server, you need to do that from elsewhere |
| 06:40.02 | peterS | MangosDebian: there is no mail.debian.org. however, if you 'host -t mx debian.org', you come up with master.d.o |
| 06:40.05 | jetscreamer | use 587 instead of 25 |
| 06:40.37 | jetscreamer | common workaround for blockage |
| 06:40.39 | sebdah | Yeah I'll change the port I think |
| 06:40.49 | MangosDebian | sorry, seen mail instead of master when you pasted. I meant whatever dns you gave :) |
| 06:40.57 | MangosDebian | (force of habit :) |
| 06:41.35 | sebdah | =) |
| 06:41.41 | peterS | MangosDebian: master is a hostname steeped in history. at one time, in 1993 when the Debian Project was young, I think the _only_ debian server was named master. it was hosted at Pixar. |
| 06:42.03 | MangosDebian | serious? cool |
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| 06:42.18 | MangosDebian | I think were all steeped in history here though peterS |
| 06:42.26 | peterS | you wonder about the Toy Story debian release names? it's our historical association with Pixar, embodied in the person of Bruce Perens, who worked there at the time |
| 06:42.32 | MangosDebian | ;) |
| 06:43.05 | jetscreamer | pixar eh |
| 06:43.06 | peterS | I don't think you're troubled |
| 06:43.14 | jetscreamer | i hate shrek style animation |
| 06:43.25 | MangosDebian | peterS: no? :) |
| 06:43.47 | peterS | no. unless the d really stood for Debian all along. |
| 06:43.48 | MangosDebian | |read| |
| 06:44.08 | MangosDebian | or trouble daemon :) |
| 06:44.27 | peterS | ahh but then you'd call yourself mangosdaemon |
| 06:44.37 | MangosDebian | long story :) |
| 06:45.12 | peterS | but the fact that you bring up the daemon gives you a tiny measure of credibility |
| 06:45.16 | MangosDebian | got into mangos #mmorpg-dev channel and don't feel like being disturbed. Just having changed yet |
| 06:45.42 | MangosDebian | Well, i could also toss on a cloak :) |
| 06:45.51 | peterS | wait, are you saying you're also a change daemon? |
| 06:45.59 | MangosDebian | lol |
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| 06:47.07 | MangosDebian | ltns :) |
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| 06:48.23 | troubled | better? |
| 06:48.24 | Azar | which firefox is Debian Sarge using: the original mozilla or a debianized firefox? I don't know where to go ask about troubleshooting |
| 06:48.54 | peterS | *cough* |
| 06:48.58 | troubled | heh |
| 06:49.26 | Azar | my firefox does not have "any" plugins or extensions, is version 1.0.4 (pretty old but that is the only running on Sarge) |
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| 06:49.45 | troubled | peterS: what, you think I forgot about you guys ;) |
| 06:49.47 | Azar | I am in #firefox, they sent me here >> is Debian's baby |
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| 06:49.50 | jetscreamer | die ff die |
| 06:50.06 | jetscreamer | it's not the iceweasel |
| 06:50.17 | jetscreamer | it's debianized though iirc |
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| 06:50.26 | peterS | Azar: sarge uses debian's patched version of mozilla firefox. the mozilla corporation really hates debian's stable update policy, i.e., the fact that we refused to upgrade our users to anything newer than 1.0 after the sarge release |
| 06:50.35 | jetscreamer | you could d/l the ff binary from mozilla.com if you wanted |
| 06:50.39 | Azar | no, but it say: Firefox/1.0.4 (Debian package 1.0.4-2sarge15) |
| 06:50.44 | jetscreamer | or try an iceweasel backport |
| 06:51.06 | Azar | :) hey thanks |
| 06:51.17 | Azar | so my firefox is a lost cause... damaged leg |
| 06:51.27 | peterS | Azar: so while you could ask for help with sarge firefox in mozilla forums, the only thing anyone would say is "wtf, you're still using 1.0? download something newer already, it is 2007" |
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| 06:51.44 | peterS | Azar: whereas if you ask in debian forums we will say "wtf, you're still using sarge?" (: |
| 06:51.51 | Azar | hehe |
| 06:52.02 | Azar | yep I am quite in the middle |
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| 06:53.38 | peterS | now you seem troubled |
| 06:54.03 | MangosDebian | needed to rejoin channels ;) |
| 06:54.11 | MangosDebian | easier with a reconnect |
| 06:54.20 | MangosDebian | otherwise the numbering all messed up :p |
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| 06:54.39 | Daveyboy | I need to install php5 from source becuase there maybe a problem with the package install via apt-get. I downloaded and installed with checkinstall but my phpinfo page in apache2 shows vesion 5.1.2 where as my cli version shows 5.2.3, I need them to both be 5.2.3, any suggestions? |
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| 06:55.46 | jetscreamer | i suggest you don't say the u word |
| 06:56.07 | MangosDebian | the u word? |
| 06:56.16 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 06:56.17 | peterS | Daveyboy: checkinstall is a POS that is likely to do the wrong thing in any number of situations. start by removing libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 06:56.23 | jetscreamer | U |
| 06:56.33 | MangosDebian | who me or Daveyboy ? |
| 06:56.37 | jetscreamer | him |
| 06:56.44 | MangosDebian | ooooh, THE U word |
| 06:56.49 | jetscreamer | yeah that one |
| 06:56.49 | Daveyboy | hehe |
| 06:56.58 | MangosDebian | whew, close one, almost said it ;) |
| 06:57.04 | jetscreamer | do whatever peterS says |
| 06:57.06 | peterS | Daveyboy: at this point, php in apache will probably stop working at all. but then you can move on to figuring out why that might be. |
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| 06:57.20 | Meli | hola |
| 06:57.24 | Meli | alguna personas ahi |
| 06:57.29 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 06:57.29 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 06:57.37 | Meli | ?? |
| 06:57.38 | Meli | que |
| 06:57.40 | jetscreamer | no tengo portuguese |
| 06:57.43 | Meli | español |
| 06:57.46 | Meli | please |
| 06:57.47 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 06:57.47 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:57.47 | Meli | :S |
| 06:58.01 | Meli | thank you |
| 06:58.01 | jetscreamer | dice hola al derek |
| 06:58.07 | jetscreamer | no problema |
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| 06:59.06 | jetscreamer | heh still didn't /join |
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| 07:01.13 | Daveyboy | peterS: do I need to install with make install and add the libphp5.so to /usr/local/apache/modules |
| 07:02.06 | peterS | Daveyboy: well now, that's a good question. I don't know what 'make install' does in php5land. it _should_ make use of /usr/bin/apxs2, which gives it enough information to know that php5.so should go in /usr/lib/apache2/modules/. |
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| 07:02.57 | peterS | Daveyboy: please don't tell me you _also_ are using a self-built apache. 'cause then I will just stop trying to help you, as you've progressed beyond anything debian-specific and anything I know much about. |
| 07:03.06 | MangosDebian | Daveyboy: tried #apache yet btw? |
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| 07:03.15 | jetscreamer | or #php ? |
| 07:03.22 | peterS | MangosDebian: no, so far his problem is debian-specific enough that I think this channel is appropriate |
| 07:03.28 | MangosDebian | ah |
| 07:03.35 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 07:03.43 | Daveyboy | peterS: apsx no such file or directory |
| 07:03.53 | MangosDebian | ya, sometimes we get you bouncing all over the place with red tape and channel redirects :) |
| 07:03.58 | jetscreamer | just dont ask him to /exec -o cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:04.05 | MangosDebian | s/we/us in general/ |
| 07:04.13 | jetscreamer | lenny/sid |
| 07:04.14 | peterS | Daveyboy: I said apxs2, which comes with the apache2-prefork-dev package, which I hope you already have installed, else you won't have much luck building apache2 modules at all. |
| 07:04.17 | jetscreamer | hey it works |
| 07:04.19 | MangosDebian | jetscreamer: eeek |
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| 07:04.48 | peterS | Daveyboy: I'm assuming all along that you're using apache2, rather than apache. if this is not the case, some of what I say doesn't quite apply |
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| 07:05.15 | dondelelcaro | it'd also be useful to know why the php5 packages that debian distributes have a porblem. |
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| 07:06.03 | Daveyboy | peterS: apache2 , yes |
| 07:06.25 | peterS | Daveyboy: so make sure you have the apache2-prefork-dev package installed. it should allow things like php to build more or less correctly. |
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| 07:06.47 | peterS | (there is also apache2-threaded-dev, but php doesn't support threaded apache modes, as I recall, so use the prefork one) |
| 07:07.01 | Daveyboy | peterS: so with this package it makes everything for automated? |
| 07:07.20 | Daveyboy | more automated |
| 07:07.26 | peterS | Daveyboy: I _expect_ that the php build process should find and use /usr/bin/apxs2 to determine where to install modules, and things like that |
| 07:07.41 | peterS | but I really don't know, as I don't have the stomach to look at the php build process. I've heard the stories. |
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| 07:07.52 | Daveyboy | okay |
| 07:07.57 | Daveyboy | thanks |
| 07:08.03 | dondelelcaro | Daveyboy: just to back up though; why are you building php5 yourself? |
| 07:08.10 | peterS | Daveyboy: it may be necessary to specify --with-apxs=/usr/bin/apxs2 or something weird like that, in the configure stage |
| 07:08.57 | Daveyboy | I am trying to get cacti up and running and having problems, was suggested to install php5 from source |
| 07:09.00 | jetscreamer | because he suspects the php package is borked |
| 07:09.05 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 07:09.14 | MangosDebian | what is cacti? |
| 07:09.25 | Daveyboy | network monitor |
| 07:09.30 | MangosDebian | ah |
| 07:09.41 | peterS | and it somehow supports php 5.2 but not php 5.1? |
| 07:09.59 | dondelelcaro | Daveyboy: and the Debian cacti package doesn't work with the version of php that is distributed? |
| 07:10.32 | dondelelcaro | kind of wierd, because Debian only distributes PHP 5.2 |
| 07:10.36 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 07:10.44 | peterS | true indeed |
| 07:10.48 | jetscreamer | i'm laughing at your question |
| 07:10.56 | jetscreamer | well really the answer |
| 07:10.59 | Daveyboy | no, one php script is not running within the cacti program, the poller whch collects the data. so it was suggested to compile from source |
| 07:11.04 | MangosDebian | jetscreamer: make up your mind ;) |
| 07:11.07 | peterS | also, the debian cacti package depends on _either_ php4 _or_ php5, suggesting to me that it isn't all that picky about php versions |
| 07:11.13 | jetscreamer | just dont ask him to /exec -o cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 07:11.37 | Daveyboy | U word here |
| 07:11.41 | peterS | Daveyboy: what is jetscreamer getting at, why doesn't he think you are running debian stable? |
| 07:11.59 | jetscreamer | just lie... |
| 07:12.04 | jetscreamer | no |
| 07:12.07 | jetscreamer | remain silent |
| 07:12.10 | Daveyboy | i am a Uigger |
| 07:12.11 | jetscreamer | lying bad |
| 07:12.24 | MangosDebian | plead the 5th |
| 07:12.25 | jetscreamer | busted |
| 07:12.46 | jetscreamer | he deserves help though |
| 07:12.57 | Daveyboy | are you guys anti ubuntu? |
| 07:12.59 | MangosDebian | i say we convert him |
| 07:13.03 | MangosDebian | doh! |
| 07:13.11 | Daveyboy | i can understand |
| 07:13.14 | Daveyboy | why |
| 07:13.14 | jetscreamer | !ubuntu |
| 07:13.14 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu - See also <based on debian caveats>. |
| 07:13.17 | peterS | Daveyboy: what you say !! if you are running ubuntu, why do you ask your question here? |
| 07:13.31 | dondelelcaro | Daveyboy: no, we just don't like giving solutions to problems which have already been solved in Debian. |
| 07:13.57 | Daveyboy | cause ubuntu channel is for clowns |
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| 07:14.15 | peterS | Daveyboy: when you chose your distribution, you chose your support forums. you should factor that into your decisions. |
| 07:14.22 | MangosDebian | Daveyboy: perhaps you should consider switching distros |
| 07:14.27 | nzk | How do I compile a kernel and what are the benefits of doing so? |
| 07:14.30 | Daveyboy | yes i may do that |
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| 07:15.04 | Daveyboy | so etch is on one cd? |
| 07:15.09 | MangosDebian | nzk: theres a few hour debate. Perhaps you should tell us what your goal is as most of the time theres a simpler solution |
| 07:15.15 | infernal_jesus | Daveyboy: 3 dvds :) |
| 07:15.24 | infernal_jesus | but to install it you just need one |
| 07:15.29 | nzk | MangosDebian: to compile a kernel. That's my goal |
| 07:15.32 | dondelelcaro | Daveyboy: you only need the netinst cd |
| 07:15.45 | MangosDebian | Daveyboy: you can get a small <100mb netinstall cd I think. Well, 100mb ish (forget) |
| 07:15.47 | Daveyboy | ok |
| 07:16.06 | Daveyboy | and it uses apt-get right? |
| 07:16.10 | peterS | right |
| 07:16.15 | MangosDebian | nzk: but are you doing it for a certain patch or module that may already have a debian package? |
| 07:16.16 | peterS | though we prefer aptitude nowadays |
| 07:16.19 | infernal_jesus | nzk: need a guide how to compile a kernel? |
| 07:16.30 | nzk | infernal_jesus: Yup. |
| 07:16.42 | nzk | MangosDebian: I'm doing it for the experience and to say that I have done it. |
| 07:16.44 | infernal_jesus | nzk: http://evolution.mitprospectives.org/articles/01x05.txt |
| 07:16.47 | infernal_jesus | have fun :) |
| 07:16.47 | jetscreamer | !kp |
| 07:16.47 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 07:16.58 | peterS | nzk: nowadays the biggest reason to compile a kernel is just that - to be able to tell people "eh? yes, of course I built my own kernel on this thing" |
| 07:17.07 | jetscreamer | Daveyboy: try goodbye-windows.com if you have windows |
| 07:17.17 | jetscreamer | it won't erase windows unless you tell it to |
| 07:17.24 | metbsd | kernel is not everything, but it's everything in linux |
| 07:17.28 | peterS | why would he have Windows? |
| 07:17.35 | infernal_jesus | nzk: And here's how to solve problems (two that I had) after compilation http://evolution.mitprospectives.org/articles/01x06.txt |
| 07:17.35 | nzk | Too bad I don't even have Debian. |
| 07:17.39 | jetscreamer | why would he have ubuntu |
| 07:17.44 | MangosDebian | nzk: well, two methods, the debian method which will benifit you alot in debian only. And then theres the vanila kernel.org kernel method which still applies to debian as well, but vanilla method will apply to any distro really |
| 07:17.55 | peterS | nzk: then you shouldn't expect useful advice in #debian |
| 07:18.01 | Daveyboy | so etch is the 'server' version? |
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| 07:18.06 | metbsd | maybe for office2007, photoshop, bluetooth, webcam, he use windows? |
| 07:18.07 | peterS | nzk: in this channel we kind of expect people to ask questions related to Debian |
| 07:18.17 | jetscreamer | etch is the stable, which is for servers |
| 07:18.23 | nzk | peterS: Well it's debian based. |
| 07:18.27 | Daveyboy | awes |
| 07:18.28 | jetscreamer | you can be a silly server in lenny though |
| 07:18.36 | peterS | nzk: then ask in a debian based channel. which, incidentally, isn't this one |
| 07:18.58 | MangosDebian | peterS: #debian-based would be a good channel to startup i think :) |
| 07:19.12 | nzk | peterS: it's alright, the question I have matters not to what distro I am using. |
| 07:19.14 | jetscreamer | devs win |
| 07:19.16 | peterS | MangosDebian: feel free. though thanks to wonderful freenode policies it may have to be ##debian-based |
| 07:19.30 | MangosDebian | peterS: ? why the ##? |
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| 07:19.36 | peterS | nzk: as long as you are satisfied with answers that only work on systems very similar to debian, fine |
| 07:19.42 | jetscreamer | freenode.org |
| 07:19.51 | jetscreamer | official vs un |
| 07:19.57 | MangosDebian | ah |
| 07:20.01 | peterS | MangosDebian: check freenode policy. any channel that isn't "owned" by the project in the channel name are "unofficial" and have to use ## |
| 07:20.02 | jetscreamer | # vs ## |
| 07:20.11 | Daveyboy | isn't checkinstall a debian thing? |
| 07:20.15 | dondelelcaro | Daveyboy: no |
| 07:20.16 | jetscreamer | rh isn't it |
| 07:20.19 | MangosDebian | always thought those were typos or something. thanks |
| 07:20.20 | nzk | jetscreamer: I have #nzk registered. |
| 07:20.32 | nzk | So your rule matters not. |
| 07:20.40 | peterS | nzk: if some free software project named nzk came along and complained to the freenode admins, you'd lose it |
| 07:20.46 | Daveyboy | but .deb packages are debian so . |
| 07:20.50 | jetscreamer | but you're the official nzk chan |
| 07:21.14 | peterS | Daveyboy: you say that but you use .deb on ubuntu, don't you |
| 07:21.14 | atrus | peterS: so shouldn't this channel be redirected to ##debian? |
| 07:21.14 | jetscreamer | me i would have to use ##nzk |
| 07:21.14 | nzk | peterS: then I would quickly whip up some random hello world generator or something and pretend its software. |
| 07:21.24 | peterS | atrus: it is still run by debian people, even though irc.debian.org no longer points to freenode |
| 07:21.25 | Daveyboy | yes because ubuntu is debian based..:P |
| 07:21.39 | jetscreamer | this channel is the official channel... that crap on oftc is fake |
| 07:21.45 | dondelelcaro | atrus: not really; both the founder and myself are DDs. |
| 07:21.46 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 07:21.52 | dondelelcaro | there isn't an official channel, though. |
| 07:21.54 | atrus | hmm |
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| 07:22.03 | Daveyboy | but checkinstall is proprietary to ubuntu |
| 07:22.11 | jetscreamer | rh isn't it |
| 07:22.51 | dondelelcaro | Daveyboy: no, it's not. It's outside of them entirely |
| 07:23.01 | peterS | Daveyboy: where do you get that idea? is that what http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ tells you? |
| 07:23.24 | peterS | Daveyboy: if checkinstall were specific to ubuntu, I would have known you weren't using Debian a lot earlier than I did know |
| 07:23.50 | jetscreamer | hey you should have picked up on it a lot earlier.. you must be tired |
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| 07:24.23 | Daveyboy | anyway, i like this forum better, so I will install debian etch and try cacti on that. |
| 07:24.28 | atrus | peterS: http://www.us.debian.org/support#irc seems to lend some official status to oftc's #debian. (shrug). not a debate i should get any deeper into though, as i tend to get too emotional about it :) |
| 07:24.46 | MangosDebian | Daveyboy: "this forum"? :) |
| 07:24.49 | jetscreamer | Daveyboy: this is the big difference between u & d imo... the support |
| 07:24.53 | jetscreamer | !room |
| 07:24.54 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 07:25.12 | Daveyboy | this channel sorry |
| 07:25.19 | dondelelcaro | atrus: that's just an entry in the webpage, actually. |
| 07:25.20 | peterS | atrus: dondelelcaro is one of the owners of this channel and he just told you he is a debian developer. which I know is true. that makes this channel "official" enough for the freenode policy, I suspect. |
| 07:25.36 | Daveyboy | lol..it is 4 am here, getting tired |
| 07:25.48 | jetscreamer | besides, it was #debian before that policy |
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| 07:26.09 | jetscreamer | you sure it's not closer to 3.30 ? |
| 07:26.18 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro been around long enough he has stock options i think |
| 07:26.30 | Daveyboy | 424..lol |
| 07:26.39 | peterS | but note that freenode channels like ##C don't get to be #C because Kernighan, Richie and the ISO 9899 committee aren't running it |
| 07:26.56 | Daveyboy | u boys are hardcore |
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| 07:27.55 | jetscreamer | actually, all the chaff went to ubuntu, they used to come here :o |
| 07:28.06 | peterS | MangosDebian: you laugh, but when Red Hat went public back in the late 90s, they actually sent a form letter to all Debian developers, along with lots and lots of other free software people, offering stock options before the IPO. this was a gesture to show that Red Hat recognised that they depended on the free software community for their very existence |
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| 07:28.32 | MangosDebian | peterS: damn, where was I for that memo :) |
| 07:28.39 | peterS | MangosDebian: neither Don nor I got in on that offer, as neither of us were debian developers. (I'm still not.) at least, I assume Don didn't get the offer through other means. |
| 07:28.52 | MangosDebian | although ive never been a DD all these years though |
| 07:29.31 | peterS | I don't know where RH got the full list of people to whom they offered pre-IPO stock, but the complete list of Debian developers was part of it. |
| 07:29.41 | MangosDebian | you know, packages still kick my %#@. You wouldnt think I would be more into it by now |
| 07:30.08 | MangosDebian | would* |
| 07:30.16 | peterS | by this "community stock offering" gesture, they set a standard that subsequent Linux companies that IPO'd during the '99-'00 dotcom bubble pretty much all had to follow |
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| 07:30.34 | peterS | Linuxcare, VA Linux, etc. |
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| 07:31.04 | jetscreamer | !wb Bhaal |
| 07:31.05 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Bhaal has returned! |
| 07:31.15 | MangosDebian | oh well, I missed my boat in that sense I guess. Im doomed to spend my years as a debian user it seems |
| 07:31.20 | peterS | jetscreamer: calm down, he cycles at least once a day |
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| 07:31.31 | jetscreamer | peterS: much more than that iirc |
| 07:31.34 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 07:31.42 | MangosDebian | jetscreamer: once per hour actualy |
| 07:31.46 | peterS | MangosDebian: I missed most of the Tech Bubble too. I got a little piece of it with a contract from Linuxcare, but it was pretty small potatoes. |
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| 07:31.50 | MangosDebian | least according to my logs |
| 07:31.50 | jetscreamer | he's trolling for the on_join spam |
| 07:31.58 | jetscreamer | for to nuke them |
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| 07:33.07 | Daveyboy | l8tr boys |
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| 07:33.14 | MangosDebian | peterS: well, you will be happy to know that the business I replace Xenix->debian with is still running woody with no problems. And the little town its in has acknowledged linux as a viable OS because of its stbility thanks to you guys |
| 07:33.16 | jetscreamer | but i think i'm getting closer |
| 07:33.51 | jetscreamer | ciao Daveyboy |
| 07:34.00 | peterS | MangosDebian: hehe. xenix to woody. that had to be an improvement! and I'm not surprised that software, once installed, continues to work fine. good to hear though. |
| 07:34.03 | MangosDebian | actually, I been meaning to go replace woody with etch and encryption now that I got some experience with it |
| 07:34.20 | MangosDebian | peterS: ya, was y2k related at the time |
| 07:34.24 | peterS | hehe |
| 07:34.41 | peterS | y2k was great for people selling software upgrades and services |
| 07:34.45 | MangosDebian | but they had the 5.1/4 and full box of manuals and everything with (c) Microsoft all over em |
| 07:35.26 | MangosDebian | you should have seen my grep/awk/sh-fu I had to do to backup the client data for the last 10 years prior |
| 07:35.36 | peterS | the perl community, who had been for many years trying to get people to ditch perl 4, finally started saying "there are no plans to make perl 4 y2k compliant". of course what they meant is "...although it probably is and always has been". but the intended effect was the message "so GO GET PERL 5 ALREADY, IT IS ALREADY 6 YEARS OLD" |
| 07:35.41 | MangosDebian | all stdout redirects and pipes into the new version :) |
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| 07:36.34 | MangosDebian | and they are starting to push the next version of perl already arent they |
| 07:36.59 | peterS | MangosDebian: well, perl 6 has been in development for literally years. I don't think it'll be finished until Larry Wall dies. which means perhaps not for another 40 years. |
| 07:37.11 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 07:37.34 | peterS | I kid, I kid. it is supposed to be getting close to completely specced out, and implementation is well underway. |
| 07:37.58 | peterS | what's funny is that an unofficial implementation, written in Haskell, has beat the official one to market. |
| 07:38.13 | MangosDebian | never even heard of Haskell |
| 07:38.16 | MangosDebian | !haskell |
| 07:38.16 | dpkg | haskell is probably a non-strict purely functional programming language, named after the logician Haskell B. Curry. A free implementation is in the hugs package. The language specification is in the haskell-doc package. See http://haskell.org for more info. or GHC is a free Haskell compiler. Ask me about it. Even more perlish than perl!, or very evil, or not evil at all, and has fewer bracketses than Lithp. |
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| 07:38.46 | peterS | haskell, being a "pure functional language" - that basically means it's in the Lisp family, though the syntax looks rather different. |
| 07:38.46 | MangosDebian | more perlish than perl? lol |
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| 07:39.14 | peterS | as opposed to perl, which is a procedural language at heart, with some OO features glued on. |
| 07:39.23 | MangosDebian | I kinda like perl though. Sometimes you just need to quickly do some stuff rather than build up a whole framework |
| 07:39.23 | peterS | well and some functional features too, come to think of it |
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| 07:39.54 | roland | hi |
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| 07:40.08 | roland | i have a problem with vmware 6, it asks for C header files for running kernel version and nothing works |
| 07:40.24 | peterS | roland: C header files for running kernel version would be the 'linux-headers-$(uname -r)' package |
| 07:40.51 | roland | i installed that and it says its ok but its missing the expected linux subdirectory |
| 07:41.11 | MangosDebian | roland: is it looking in /usr/src/linux per chance? |
| 07:41.28 | roland | /usr/src/linux/include |
| 07:41.40 | MangosDebian | for some reason I dont think they install there |
| 07:41.42 | peterS | yeah, well, it should be looking in /usr/src/linux-$(uname -r)/include |
| 07:41.59 | roland | linux is a link to that |
| 07:42.00 | MangosDebian | the header files install there? |
| 07:42.01 | peterS | I mean /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/include |
| 07:42.10 | roland | hmm |
| 07:42.11 | roland | let me check |
| 07:42.14 | MangosDebian | ahh, just a sym link then |
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| 07:43.08 | roland | it says its ok but now its missing version.h |
| 07:43.16 | peterS | I think it also installs the appropriate symlink in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/source or whatever |
| 07:43.25 | peterS | which is actually where external module builds should be looking |
| 07:43.38 | jetscreamer | but $( looks more powerful |
| 07:43.44 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 07:43.47 | peterS | jetscreamer: I don't like `` as you can't nest them |
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| 07:43.59 | jetscreamer | aha! |
| 07:44.04 | peterS | jetscreamer: `` is also somewhat harder to distinguish with some fonts |
| 07:44.09 | roland | erm what do i do about missing version.h file? |
| 07:44.16 | roland | from linux-headers package |
| 07:44.25 | peterS | well, technically you can nest `` but the inner set needs to be \`, which gets ugly |
| 07:44.25 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 07:44.33 | jetscreamer | !b-e |
| 07:44.34 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential |
| 07:44.39 | jetscreamer | that ? |
| 07:44.42 | roland | i did that |
| 07:44.45 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 07:44.49 | peterS | jetscreamer: probably not, version.h is specific to the kernel headers |
| 07:44.52 | xingu | version.h went the way of the dodo ages ago |
| 07:45.00 | xingu | tell your vendor to get with the times. |
| 07:45.05 | roland | omg |
| 07:45.10 | roland | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:45.10 | MangosDebian | i had the version.h issue with vmware as well |
| 07:45.28 | MangosDebian | thus I installed kernel source and make oldconfig and started a make first |
| 07:45.53 | MangosDebian | only found out about the headers trick today actually :) |
| 07:46.07 | jetscreamer | i listened to use me by bill withers for about 4 hours on repeat |
| 07:46.16 | jetscreamer | and i stil want to hear it |
| 07:47.15 | jetscreamer | 4hrs plus a brake/caliper/rotor job |
| 07:47.15 | roland | MangosDebian, i cd to /usr/src/linux wich points to linux-2.6.18 source and did : make oldconfig && make |
| 07:47.15 | roland | after that what do i do ? |
| 07:47.42 | MangosDebian | roland: well, I ran vmware-config.pl then, but thats only for the tools, i dont know what the linux server command is |
| 07:48.02 | xingu | aah, I was thinking of config.h not version.h |
| 07:48.05 | jetscreamer | jsut start the make, ctrl c it, then do whatever you were doing MangosDebian ? or finish the make |
| 07:48.19 | roland | ok i wil interrupt make |
| 07:48.21 | roland | i dont wanna wait |
| 07:48.30 | roland | then i direct vmware to /usr/src/linux/include right? |
| 07:48.30 | MangosDebian | jetscreamer: well, the version.h is made within the first 10 seconds or so, so I hit ctrl-c right away |
| 07:48.35 | jetscreamer | that was a question, roland, not a .. ah |
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| 07:49.03 | MangosDebian | jetscreamer: but it also wanted another file that wasnt made so early. but seemed to work on a bad make I did earlier still left around. some symbols file |
| 07:49.23 | MangosDebian | jetscreamer: was for modprobe autoloading anything. so minor if you dont have it I guess |
| 07:49.43 | roland | now it says the directory of headers 2.6.18 does not match my running kernel 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 07:49.48 | roland | vmware is the dumbest shit ever |
| 07:49.55 | jetscreamer | did you make oldconfig? |
| 07:49.57 | roland | yes |
| 07:50.00 | jetscreamer | hmm |
| 07:50.13 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 07:50.16 | MangosDebian | normally i dont use the vmware stuff, but its the only way to reliably get time since ntp isnt advised for reasons they outline. But I only use it for when i tried X in vmware earlier |
| 07:50.17 | jetscreamer | there are 2 dirs |
| 07:50.31 | jetscreamer | /usr/src/linux-headers-* |
| 07:50.31 | MangosDebian | well, time and faster graphics |
| 07:50.40 | xingu | MangosDebian: "ntp isn't advised..." ? wha? |
| 07:50.42 | jetscreamer | maybe you got the common one |
| 07:50.51 | jetscreamer | not the -686, from the symlink |
| 07:51.12 | MangosDebian | xingu: not for vmware. I forget what they suggest. Its to do with suspending and resuming. your better to use the vmware provided tools |
| 07:51.13 | jetscreamer | that looks funny |
| 07:51.14 | roland | i run -486 |
| 07:51.27 | jetscreamer | <roland> now it says the directory of headers 2.6.18 does not match my running kernel 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 07:51.29 | xingu | MangosDebian: oh fair enough, from the guest to the host ya? |
| 07:51.30 | jetscreamer | can't tell |
| 07:51.34 | roland | umm wait |
| 07:51.42 | MangosDebian | xingu: the vmware ntp takes into account lost ticks or something better. I forget, but they have a whole article on it |
| 07:51.48 | roland | yea im running 686 |
| 07:51.53 | MangosDebian | xingu: ya, from the guest. |
| 07:52.05 | xingu | MangosDebian: *nod* scheduler-in-scheduler is a tricky thing. |
| 07:52.10 | MangosDebian | ya |
| 07:52.17 | jetscreamer | the -686 specific portion of the headers is kept in it's own directory... i don't know how or when they get linked |
| 07:52.28 | roland | k, i'll just rm vmware |
| 07:52.33 | MangosDebian | well, you also get network drivers in vmware, but ive never had issues without the mod |
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| 07:52.37 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 07:52.51 | jetscreamer | you have source, headers, et al |
| 07:52.52 | roland | note to self , never use stupid vmware on great debian |
| 07:52.55 | roland | i do |
| 07:53.08 | MangosDebian | vmware is ok. although it could be better |
| 07:53.20 | roland | you see , installing it on debian is the greatest pita |
| 07:53.35 | MangosDebian | imho, a true emulation should let you write drivers/modules to simulate any hardware, not just VMWare branded stuff :) |
| 07:54.09 | jetscreamer | you mean you can have software hardware in vmware? |
| 07:54.14 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 07:54.16 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 07:54.32 | jetscreamer | but seriously.. is that what you said? |
| 07:54.37 | jetscreamer | emulate hw? |
| 07:54.47 | MangosDebian | jetscreamer: ya i think thats what I meant |
| 07:54.56 | jetscreamer | i didn't know it could do that |
| 07:55.16 | MangosDebian | like i should be able to write a SB16 or a SBLive sound addon depending on what I want my sound card to appear as instead of what vmware uses now |
| 07:55.17 | jetscreamer | i know nothing.. nuthTHING |
| 07:55.33 | MangosDebian | no no, it doesnt that I know of, Im saying I wish it would |
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| 07:55.40 | fadumpt | is that common in emulation software? |
| 07:55.50 | fadumpt | the ability to change what hardware the system is using? |
| 07:55.56 | jetscreamer | but the vmware ppl do it, create stuff that does? |
| 07:55.59 | MangosDebian | it should be extendable for people to write softhardware for :) |
| 07:56.08 | jetscreamer | vmware branded? |
| 07:56.31 | MangosDebian | jetscreamer: ya, like if you lspci the video card is a "VMWare" device |
| 07:56.42 | roland | debian asks me for the debian cd to isntall a package |
| 07:56.43 | roland | why |
| 07:56.50 | fadumpt | sources.list |
| 07:56.55 | jetscreamer | you didn't comment out the cd entry in ^^ |
| 07:56.58 | roland | i commented out cd in sources list |
| 07:56.59 | fadumpt | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:57.00 | roland | oh yes i did |
| 07:57.02 | xingu | jetscreamer: yes, that's exactly what most virtualistion systems do for key peripherals |
| 07:57.03 | jetscreamer | apt-get update |
| 07:57.07 | roland | did that too |
| 07:57.18 | roland | and its asking me for cd for some packages, while for others not |
| 07:57.19 | jetscreamer | then you missed maybe |
| 07:57.21 | fadumpt | delete the cd entry in your sources.list ??? |
| 07:57.28 | jetscreamer | check the source luke |
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| 07:57.48 | xingu | jetscreamer, MangosDebian: if you want a foss project, take a look into kvm |
| 07:57.53 | roland | something uncommented it out |
| 07:57.59 | roland | not me |
| 07:58.10 | fadumpt | xingu, kvm == kvm over ip based on Linux sorta thing? |
| 07:58.28 | MangosDebian | jetscreamer: hmm you know, I wonder if the perl api for vmware is capable or altering device characteristics and names :) |
| 07:58.38 | xingu | fadumpt: http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki |
| 07:58.52 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 07:58.55 | MangosDebian | xingu: nah, im happy with vmware. works and i know what to expect for what i do |
| 07:58.58 | xingu | nb, kvm requires vt extensions |
| 07:59.10 | jetscreamer | i didn't know editing sources.list could spontaneously reboot your box |
| 07:59.19 | fadumpt | me either ... |
| 07:59.25 | MangosDebian | although i wish I had the higher end vmware server esx or whatever its called now |
| 07:59.40 | jetscreamer | i've seen gedit do it on a really really long line |
| 07:59.43 | MangosDebian | all that stuff to move machines running across machines is cool |
| 07:59.48 | xingu | MangosDebian: vmware-server 1.0 was *free* for a while, probably still is |
| 07:59.49 | jetscreamer | i mean really really really long |
| 07:59.59 | xingu | MangosDebian: free as in zero cost license. |
| 08:00.01 | MangosDebian | xingu: ya, thats what I use, im talking ESX |
| 08:00.15 | jetscreamer | heh i thought you siad sex, not esx |
| 08:00.18 | jetscreamer | said |
| 08:00.20 | MangosDebian | xingu: esx runs as its own OS and you can move running os's around live and stuff |
| 08:00.40 | MangosDebian | !esx |
| 08:00.48 | jetscreamer | !sex |
| 08:00.48 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 08:00.54 | jetscreamer | i hate that one |
| 08:00.54 | MangosDebian | well, a google should give more info on it |
| 08:01.06 | xingu | MangosDebian: fair do; I'm patient enough to wait for the foss folk to do it right. :) |
| 08:01.29 | MangosDebian | might run into patent issues with a esx clone though |
| 08:01.53 | MangosDebian | for speed it runs on bare metal, no linux kernel to get int the way and slow it down |
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| 08:02.04 | MangosDebian | although i think it used red hat as a boot strap |
| 08:02.10 | xingu | MangosDebian: nb, I was an early commercial user of vmware workstation - in a previous incarnation I needed a way to run the msoffice suite while contracting. |
| 08:02.12 | jetscreamer | !factinfo sex |
| 08:02.12 | dpkg | sex -- last modified at Fri Mar 11 21:23:42 2005 by greycat!rfc1413@wooledge.org; it has been requested 385 times, last by jetscreamer, 1m 24s ago. |
| 08:02.16 | MangosDebian | but effectively removed it from ram after loading |
| 08:02.29 | xingu | MangosDebian: I have my suspicions that ESX is RHEL+vmware. :) |
| 08:02.36 | xingu | but I'm too lazy to go looking. |
| 08:02.38 | MangosDebian | its not, just appears like it |
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| 08:02.47 | Rapp_ | hi everyone! |
| 08:02.47 | MangosDebian | i thought so at first as well |
| 08:03.01 | jetscreamer | boo@rhel, or at least my host's ex-implementation of it... centos rocks |
| 08:03.02 | Rapp_ | where does debian generate the wpa-supplicant configuration? i need to take a look at it. |
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| 08:03.54 | xingu | MangosDebian: vmkernel module which providers a hypervisor |
| 08:04.05 | jetscreamer | &lobotomize |
| 08:04.09 | MangosDebian | xingu: http://www.vmware.com/products/vi/esx/esx_features.html |
| 08:04.15 | xingu | MangosDebian: for ESX; at a guess, similar to xen dom0 |
| 08:04.26 | MangosDebian | xingu: "baremetal" |
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| 08:05.06 | xingu | MangosDebian: http://www.vi3book.com/esxatdg_ch2.pdf <-- not a marketing release. :) |
| 08:05.16 | liable | !avivo |
| 08:05.24 | MangosDebian | 404 |
| 08:05.25 | bottu | jetscreamer: Error: "lobotomize" is not a valid command. |
| 08:05.25 | xingu | oh bugger, it's moved |
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| 08:05.38 | xlotlu | how can i search packages by tags? |
| 08:05.41 | jetscreamer | asshole |
| 08:05.43 | jetscreamer | &part |
| 08:05.43 | aptitude | i guess part is a win32 partition editor and the homepage at http://www.ranish.com/part/ |
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| 08:05.54 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 08:05.56 | MangosDebian | &die |
| 08:06.00 | MangosDebian | ^^ |
| 08:06.01 | aptitude | I'll murder you mangosdebian! Decapitate you and play snooker with your eyes! |
| 08:06.14 | MangosDebian | jetscreamer: is it your bot? |
| 08:06.26 | jetscreamer | <-- bottu (n=bottu@64.187.106.77) has left #debian ("jetscreamer" <bottu> jetscreamer: I have been running for 8 weeks, 6 days, 5 hours, 25 minutes, and 29 seconds. |
| 08:06.34 | liable | Rapp_: it doesnt ship with a config file anymore |
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| 08:06.36 | jetscreamer | ya |
| 08:06.48 | liable | Rapp_: look in the docs for example one |
| 08:06.52 | xingu | MangosDebian: http://www.vi3book.com/files/folders/esx2/entry5.aspx |
| 08:06.52 | jetscreamer | i was lucky to get 4 days uptime with rhel |
| 08:06.52 | Rapp_ | liable, yes, but it should generate one, right? |
| 08:07.00 | MangosDebian | jetscreamer: &die should work too, but not if &part doesnt i dont think ;( |
| 08:07.23 | liable | Rapp_: nope, i dunno about the etch one, but the newer ones dont |
| 08:07.39 | Rapp_ | liable, i HAVE wpa running, i want to know, where debian generated the config file. i have set up everything in /etc/network/interfaces.... |
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| 08:08.11 | liable | Rapp_: check the install scripts |
| 08:08.20 | MangosDebian | xingu: ESX Server installs directly on the server hardware, or “bare metalâ€, |
| 08:08.20 | MangosDebian | and inserts a robust virtualization layer between the hardware and |
| 08:08.20 | MangosDebian | the operating system.ESX Server installs directly on the server hardware, or “bare metalâ€, |
| 08:08.24 | MangosDebian | and inserts a robust virtualization layer between the hardware and |
| 08:08.37 | MangosDebian | oops, stupid pdf copy paste multiline |
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| 08:08.53 | jetscreamer | !sacrifice MangosDebian |
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| 08:09.01 | xingu | MangosDebian: yes, but it bootstraps with a linux kernel, which loads a hypervisor (vmkernel), before re-loading the first guest |
| 08:09.24 | grubby | Rapp: wpa-supplicant is now configured in /etc/network/interfaces (as of Etch) |
| 08:09.26 | xingu | MangosDebian: and that's all I was saying... |
| 08:09.36 | itchi | Hi, my / fs is set to read only and dmesg shows me http://pastebin.ca/629408 What may there happend? |
| 08:09.40 | MangosDebian | xingu: my understanding was that after its loaded, it reclaims all memory and runs bare metal. like netware used to |
| 08:10.09 | MangosDebian | netware 3.x/4.11 etc loaded on dos as well, but after startup, dos was sent to /dev/null |
| 08:10.26 | MangosDebian | thats what esx does i believe |
| 08:11.12 | MangosDebian | in fact, there was an old netware command specifcally to remove dos if it wasnt needed, secure console iirc |
| 08:11.17 | xingu | mmm, seems probable |
| 08:11.19 | liable | itchi: remount it as ext2. you can remove the journal and remake it, might help |
| 08:12.11 | xingu | MangosDebian: gambling that a single vendor can come up with a better long term answer to hypervisor design seems about as good a bet as going long on netware stock in the late 80's :) |
| 08:12.31 | itchi | liable: Can you tell me how to do that? It's my / :-( |
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| 08:12.59 | itchi | I not want to break it :-s The weird thing is that little time back; my /home had break. Wtf |
| 08:13.01 | liable | itchi: mount -o remount -t ext2 / |
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| 08:13.20 | xingu | MangosDebian: the cat is well out of that bag now; the art is being advanced on the free side of the fence now. |
| 08:13.33 | MangosDebian | xingu: heh, poor netware. I really liked nds til they went java based in netware 5 with console one |
| 08:13.34 | xingu | MangosDebian: it's the free guys that are grappling with the scheduler-in-scheduler issue for instance |
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| 08:14.15 | xingu | MangosDebian: I'd take a punt that it'll be the free guys that get freeze/migrate/thaw right first too |
| 08:14.30 | itchi | liable: And to remake the journaled fs? |
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| 08:14.43 | MangosDebian | xingu: ya, GSX installs onto a host OS, ie: linux, ESX seems to be bare metal from that pdf you gave me |
| 08:14.52 | liable | itchi: man tune2fs, i dont remember the syntax |
| 08:15.06 | MangosDebian | xingu: page 26 ish |
| 08:15.07 | itchi | liable: Good enought, i gona find that :-) |
| 08:15.24 | itchi | liable: Thanks mate :-) |
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| 08:15.34 | itchi | I just hope i not get loose my data |
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| 08:16.14 | MangosDebian | xingu: ya, page 27, "VMWare ESX Server is its own operating system. Unlink GSX or MS Virtual Server 2005, ESX is not a software package that installs into a host OS-ESC is the host OS. |
| 08:16.29 | itchi | shit: man: can't create a temporary filename: Read-only file system |
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| 08:16.37 | MangosDebian | s/esc/esx/ |
| 08:16.38 | itchi | i wanted to read the man page hehe |
| 08:16.46 | liable | itchi: -o remount rw |
| 08:17.09 | liable | might be a good idea to back up whilst its ro |
| 08:17.39 | itchi | liable: Bah, it's the /. Just that i not want to reinstall :-p |
| 08:17.56 | xingu | itchi: did you have a system crash with / at 100% full? |
| 08:18.04 | xingu | itchi: and, what does uname -r report? |
| 08:18.04 | itchi | liable: I gona first rsync my /home somewhere |
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| 08:18.31 | itchi | xingu: / is not yet full, 2.6.21-2-k7 |
| 08:18.44 | itchi | xingu: 9.2G free |
| 08:19.21 | MangosDebian | xingu: page 28: "There is quite a bit of confusion in regards to what VMnix and the VMkernel really are. VMnix is a customized linux kernel based on the RH 7.2 disto. Specific kernel options are specified in VMNix that optimize the console OS for running vm's....Once the system has completly loaded the VMkernel, resource control and vm management is passed from the COS to the VMkernel" |
| 08:19.33 | xingu | itchi: hmm, that's a nasty error, and the common causes aren't present |
| 08:19.53 | xingu | MangosDebian: *nod* |
| 08:20.13 | xingu | MangosDebian: xen hypervisor isn't linux either ;) |
| 08:20.24 | MangosDebian | xingu: sounds like they basically took a linux kernel and ripped out everything cept basic memory management and device support for its HAL or something |
| 08:20.36 | itchi | I had a dieing power supply. I have change it. I guess my fs have got to much sad time of that killed power supply |
| 08:20.56 | jetscreamer | must be |
| 08:21.02 | liable | hehe |
| 08:21.16 | xingu | MangosDebian: I doubt it, I'd take a different guess - my guess would be that having profiled the requirements of the vmnix modules, they wrote a kernel to suit. |
| 08:21.44 | MangosDebian | xingu: nm, page 32 specically sets the record straight they say. "ESX is not Linux. Its not derived from Linux, and does not run on Linux" |
| 08:21.45 | xingu | MangosDebian: too much at stake; if it's derived source and someone caught them out, they whole company would fold overnight. |
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| 08:22.36 | xingu | MangosDebian: however, all this is not important enough to me; the premise that "linux can't provide hypervisor services" is suspect |
| 08:22.47 | MangosDebian | xingu: ya, the linux is the COS (common OS), just used to boot up and prep the hardware for the VMkernel. so thats about as "linux" as it gets it seems |
| 08:23.02 | xingu | MangosDebian: it clearly can, and once the science is mature, it'll be a better fit to the problem |
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| 08:23.32 | MangosDebian | would be nice if xen ran on bare metal like vmware though |
| 08:23.46 | MangosDebian | i gues that would be dom0 in xen speak? |
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| 08:23.57 | xingu | MangosDebian: it effectively does, and yes that's dom0 |
| 08:24.14 | itchi | In arround an hour or two i will be able to try to fix the thing... He is rsync'ing the stuff right now :-s |
| 08:25.03 | itchi | liable: Thanks for your help man ;-) |
| 08:25.05 | xingu | MangosDebian: there's not too much wrong with the other services that linux provides, I challenge the notion that reimplementing them "on bare metal" will do a better job |
| 08:25.10 | liable | itchi: no problem |
| 08:26.03 | MangosDebian | xingu: ya. just seems like they are squeezing every last drop out of the cpu by eliminating everything but whats needed to talk to memory/nic/hd's |
| 08:26.14 | xingu | MangosDebian: further, I think that many of the linux subsystems are well suited to providing hypervisor services; there's been so much focus on lazy evaluation/ execution semantics, zero copy data structures, etc etc I think it's going to fit like a store bought one |
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| 08:27.46 | xingu | MangosDebian: it'll be interesting to see if the linux guys ultimately end up with complete guest scheduler virtualisation - so that the guest scheduler is in fact just a context of the hypervisor's |
| 08:28.35 | MangosDebian | guess it would help if I knew what a hypervisor was :) |
| 08:28.57 | xingu | MangosDebian: *running* a guest is totally the wrong approach in my view and will deliver worst-case performance; the trick I think is to measure where the guest is hammering resource out of some insufficiently-abstracted host subsystem, and to fix the problem |
| 08:29.17 | xingu | MangosDebian: and that's exactly what the foss guys are doing behind the scenes :) |
| 08:29.30 | xingu | MangosDebian: hypervisor is the kernel-for-kernels. |
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| 08:30.09 | MangosDebian | would that matter if the guest os is running higher priority than 0 though? Perhaps along with the new CFS scheduler? |
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| 08:30.16 | Jubeiii | ifconfig ath0 down |
| 08:30.16 | Jubeiii | wlanconfig ath0 destroy |
| 08:30.16 | Jubeiii | wlanconfig ath0 create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode |
| 08:30.34 | MangosDebian | least then you wouldnt be affected as much by the software running on the host os |
| 08:30.35 | Jubeiii | im using airsnort after i type this command and still i cannot start |
| 08:30.44 | Jubeiii | i hit start and i get nothing im using atheros |
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| 08:31.03 | Jubeiii | wlanmode monitor* |
| 08:31.09 | xingu | MangosDebian: yes; because running a guest means that you have a whole layer of contexts which need to be copied about in order to get the guest box to do anything at all |
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| 08:31.42 | Jubeiii | in network device i chose ath0 |
| 08:31.50 | xingu | MangosDebian: consider the architectural difference between an opengl client using a virtualised gdi, to a virtualised client mapping through to the host's gdi |
| 08:31.58 | rue_house | I have a 850M drive on a 486, do you think a netinstall will be able to be small enough? |
| 08:32.02 | Jubeiii | driver type host ap/orinoco |
| 08:32.06 | rue_house | with 12M of ram :) |
| 08:32.14 | Jubeiii | can anyone help me? |
| 08:32.28 | rue_house | maybe slak... |
| 08:32.31 | rue_house | hmmm |
| 08:32.38 | xingu | MangosDebian: now think about the problem space in memory bandwidth terms (which is certainly a major gating factor on all my systems, I don't know about yours) |
| 08:32.54 | rue_house | and no cd drive... |
| 08:33.03 | xingu | MangosDebian: a memory copy which can be avoided, a spill which can be avoided, a flush which can be avoided, is key to getting this right |
| 08:33.09 | MoDaX | rue_house: apt will be VERY slow on such machine |
| 08:33.24 | rue_house | yea |
| 08:33.39 | MangosDebian | xingu: cureently xen map's through? or is it virtualized like vmware? |
| 08:33.49 | MoDaX | rue_house: I'm running debian sarge on 500 mb disk. it would fit to 400 mb if I wanted |
| 08:34.06 | rue_house | hmm |
| 08:34.07 | xingu | MangosDebian: for graphics? virtualised; none of the free or commercial solutions is complete yet. |
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| 08:34.25 | rue_house | if it weren't for libraries I could put the system togethor myself |
| 08:34.32 | xingu | MangosDebian: but the free guys, I wager, will get there more quickly now that they're bootstrapped |
| 08:34.40 | rue_house | oh what the hell |
| 08:34.47 | xingu | MangosDebian: it's like watching the free-verses-closed compiler days all over again |
| 08:34.52 | xingu | MangosDebian: look how that turned out ;) |
| 08:35.00 | rue_house | if I'm gonna have fun, I'll be damed if I'm not starting out at the deep end |
| 08:35.10 | rue_house | gonna need a rescue disk... |
| 08:35.11 | MangosDebian | xingu: seems like a security issue to map directly anyway though. What if theres a bug in a hardware device that allows dma control? could take over the host itself |
| 08:35.33 | xingu | MangosDebian: what if there's a bug in the hypervisor or host *hardware*? |
| 08:35.49 | xingu | MangosDebian: who knows, who cares, that's a non-issue; *fix* it is my robust answer. :) |
| 08:36.15 | Jubeiii | is anyone able to give me some advice on this atheros setup |
| 08:36.17 | xingu | MangosDebian: what if you're running a crappy ultra-iie based system that suffers bit flips every time there's high level solar activity? :) |
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| 08:36.24 | Jubeiii | and airsnort |
| 08:36.31 | MangosDebian | :) |
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| 08:37.12 | xingu | MangosDebian: the kvm project is merging a hypervisor interface into the l.o kernel piece by piece |
| 08:37.19 | xingu | MangosDebian: the rest as they say will be history |
| 08:37.40 | MangosDebian | xingu: so kvm will be replacing/obsoleting xen shortly? |
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| 08:37.53 | xingu | MangosDebian: in my view, in the long term, yes |
| 08:38.04 | Jubeiii | hahahah i got it |
| 08:38.10 | Jubeiii | dangit |
| 08:38.22 | xingu | MangosDebian: the kvm approach *requires* host cpu hw assistance; the host cpu must support full virtualisation |
| 08:38.25 | Jubeiii | not a single guide online got the step to ifconfig up |
| 08:38.36 | xingu | MangosDebian: but, hey, cpu's have mmu's these days, once upon a time... |
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| 08:39.13 | MangosDebian | xingu: guess im sol then. got old athlon 2000 xp here :( |
| 08:39.27 | xingu | MangosDebian: sure, but it has a defined working life no? |
| 08:39.44 | MangosDebian | ya, until it stops working :) |
| 08:39.53 | MangosDebian | does what I need it to do though |
| 08:40.02 | xingu | MangosDebian: at which point its replacement will support vt and the host stack will be ready to use it |
| 08:40.36 | xingu | MangosDebian: and who knows, maybe the various gpu vendors out there will see merit in Gl virtualisation too |
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| 08:40.57 | MangosDebian | gl as in opengl? |
| 08:40.59 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 08:41.01 | xingu | ja |
| 08:41.10 | HardDisk_WP | how can i make the xvid codec available for ffmpeg |
| 08:41.12 | HardDisk_WP | ? |
| 08:46.10 | Jubeiii | lol now it just stopped capturing |
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| 08:48.23 | MrStein | Hi! Will someone help me debug an ISP data corruption problem ? It takes less than a minute. |
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| 08:50.28 | dondelelcaro | MrStein: best to just explain what the problem is |
| 08:50.52 | jetscreamer | !w32codecs |
| 08:50.53 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a non-free package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 08:51.15 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 08:51.19 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search |
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| 08:54.25 | MrStein | dondelelcaro: It seems the ISP corrupts TCP data in some cases. I set up a test, but I can not test it myself, because I am at home and it would need to be accessed from putside. |
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| 08:55.09 | MangosDebian | doesnt tcp have checksums to prevent that |
| 08:55.12 | MrStein | dondelelcaro: So I need access to an external system or a kind soul to run a single command line and tell me the md5sum of the data. |
| 08:55.14 | xingu | yes |
| 08:55.26 | MangosDebian | crc32 i assume? |
| 08:55.30 | MrStein | MangosDebian: Yes, but "smart" firewall operators can beat that :-( |
| 08:55.36 | xingu | however zerocopy tcp will cheerfully supply userland with pure crap if transparent segment offload is in use |
| 08:55.50 | xingu | ... ie, so be careful in how you measure this. |
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| 08:56.33 | xingu | MrStein: if the tcp checksum is invalid tcp will retransmit and you won't see any data at all at the endpoint. |
| 08:56.33 | dondelelcaro | MrStein: well, if you tell us the command, someone may run it |
| 08:56.37 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 08:56.37 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until you exit... you may have to hit y or n somewhere. Also, if you've never run dselect, you may have to use option 0 and choose APT Acquisition. |
| 08:56.39 | MrStein | So if you run " nc 90.157.192.119 21 | md5sum" that would be excellent |
| 08:57.03 | MrStein | xingu: TCP checksum is OK |
| 08:57.08 | MangosDebian | MrStein: are you using binary mode in ftp first? |
| 08:57.20 | MrStein | MangosDebian: what FTP ? There is no FTP involved. |
| 08:57.24 | xingu | MrStein: in that case it's not a transport problem |
| 08:57.25 | MangosDebian | ive been bit a few times there with auto from windows client |
| 08:57.28 | MangosDebian | err IIS |
| 08:57.49 | MangosDebian | MrStein: no ftp? sorry, you used port 21 which is ftp |
| 08:57.49 | dondelelcaro | MrStein: uh... you've got other problems. |
| 08:57.59 | MrStein | dondelelcaro: like ? |
| 08:58.20 | xingu | like the data going into the socket at the sending end evidently doesn't match what you think it should |
| 08:58.48 | dondelelcaro | MrStein: http://paste.debian.net/33178 <-- like this |
| 08:58.55 | MrStein | xingu: the data going in is "nc -l -p 21 < testfile.txt" |
| 08:59.34 | MrStein | OK, must I beg for the md5 or what ? The content is not impiortant. I just took an old log file. |
| 08:59.35 | dondelelcaro | oh, you're just running random stuff out port 21, not an actual ftp server |
| 09:00.06 | MrStein | dondelelcaro: yes. I set up a SIMPLE test . With controlled parameters. |
| 09:00.13 | dondelelcaro | 5158e6d6f9eaec6cc93540f73c3812f0 |
| 09:00.17 | xand | 5158e6d6f9eaec6cc93540f73c3812f0 |
| 09:00.27 | xingu | ditto |
| 09:00.37 | MrStein | aha, thanks |
| 09:00.41 | dondelelcaro | MrStein: you'll have better luck in the future if you tell us what you're running on the other end. |
| 09:00.59 | xingu | MrStein: and md5sum <testfile.txt is? |
| 09:01.07 | MrStein | that is correct. During the week the data was corrupted. Two "2" characters were received as "_". |
| 09:01.22 | MrStein | xingu: 5158e6d6f9eaec6cc93540f73c3812f0 |
| 09:01.26 | xingu | "that's unpossible" |
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| 09:01.47 | xingu | MrStein: the only tcp that would have in-segment corruption is a *busted* host tcp. |
| 09:01.49 | korhojoa | .... |
| 09:01.53 | MrStein | xingu: With "smart" enough ISP operators, everything is possible. :-( |
| 09:01.57 | xingu | MrStein: it's not your transport provider's problem |
| 09:02.10 | xingu | MrStein: it's a systems/ application problem at source or sink |
| 09:02.29 | dondelelcaro | well, they could conceivably be running some sort of transparent proxy |
| 09:02.34 | MangosDebian | MrStein: unless your suggesting that your isp is rewriting your packets on purpose? |
| 09:02.35 | dondelelcaro | but that'd be fairly wierd |
| 09:02.52 | MrStein | xingu: Really ? How then than on other ports there was no corruption ? How than the problem appeared 2 days after the ISP put me on another port in the DSLAM ? |
| 09:03.15 | xingu | MrStein: whatever else this is, it's not a physical or datalink layer issue. |
| 09:03.32 | MrStein | xingu: yep. |
| 09:03.42 | dondelelcaro | right. You'd have to actually be rewriting the packets and changing the checksum on them |
| 09:03.47 | xingu | MrStein: it might be a force-all-lusers-through-translucent-ftp-proxy-for-srcport-equals-port-21 issue |
| 09:04.02 | MrStein | well, it seems fixed now so ... |
| 09:04.20 | xingu | no, I think the diagnosis is incomplete, so this outcome is non-representative. |
| 09:04.23 | MrStein | Except if it comes back on monday when I leave for work into another city :-( |
| 09:04.25 | xand | xingu: that's destination port 21 |
| 09:04.50 | xand | what'd be the use of an incoming proxy? |
| 09:05.19 | MrStein | xand: none. It was probably an error in their configuration and they fixed it during the weekend. |
| 09:06.04 | xingu | xand: well, there's nothing to suggest that the ACK traffic is getting corrupted; it's the simplex flow from source to sink which is known bad. |
| 09:06.05 | MrStein | Like with another ISP last year. They accidentally blocked TCP on on inter-ISP connection based on source port. It took them 6 months to fix ... |
| 09:06.23 | MrStein | on=one |
| 09:06.29 | xingu | xand: and that simplex flow has source=21. |
| 09:06.46 | xingu | xand: as to why, well flip the excuse of the day calendar some |
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| 09:08.02 | xingu | MrStein: end to end crypto is a good thing. |
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| 09:10.24 | MrStein | xingu: unless the SIP corrupts the data and you get nothing. Which is how this mess started in the first place. I was running SHH and it stopped working last wek. Due to this corruption. |
| 09:10.31 | MrStein | SIP=ISP |
| 09:11.11 | MrStein | OK, now I put the same test file in place I used during the week. the MD5 is 35b3ba7f8783f1873c041f4412193eaa , can someone check if he gets the same sum ? |
| 09:11.18 | creatoun | i have a complaint. why is it that i experience some slowdown when in X? |
| 09:11.30 | xingu | MrStein: that's a good thing though, no data beats mangled data |
| 09:11.43 | xingu | MrStein: is your sshd also listening on tcp/21? |
| 09:11.50 | xingu | MrStein: and yes that sum matches here |
| 09:11.54 | MrStein | xingu: it was, I removed it for this test. |
| 09:12.05 | MrStein | xingu: great, thanks |
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| 09:12.26 | xingu | MrStein: might it be a better idea to run it on its well known port, or an ephermeral port instead? |
| 09:12.39 | xand | a what port? |
| 09:12.57 | xingu | MrStein: running it on ftp's control port is hankering for a spankering :) |
| 09:13.11 | xingu | ephemeral |
| 09:13.19 | xand | english please :| |
| 09:13.26 | MrStein | xingu: I was even more spankered on port 22 ;-) |
| 09:13.30 | xingu | xand: >1024 <50000 |
| 09:13.38 | creatoun | does anyone experience any slowdown in X? |
| 09:13.45 | xingu | MrStein: aah, so you're sidestepping your terms of service? :) |
| 09:13.46 | xand | creatoun: compared to what? |
| 09:14.03 | creatoun | no comparison. just slowdown. |
| 09:14.09 | MrStein | xingu: there is no mention of ssh in TOS ;-) |
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| 09:14.20 | xand | there must be comparison, slowness is relative |
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| 09:16.03 | creatoun | xand: lag. mouse movement stands still. |
| 09:16.22 | xand | is CPU usage high? |
| 09:16.23 | xingu | MrStein: I'd seriously suggest that you have your process listen either in the 1024<x<5000 range or the 5000<x<49152 range |
| 09:16.32 | creatoun | xand: i think it is. |
| 09:16.37 | xingu | MrStein: probably the latter |
| 09:16.43 | creatoun | xand: i keep hearing my CPU whizz. |
| 09:16.57 | xand | creatoun: well, see if it is... CPUs don't make sound... run top |
| 09:17.10 | creatoun | what's top? |
| 09:17.22 | xand | or do you mean the fan comes on? (assuming it's normally off) |
| 09:17.45 | xand | top - display Linux tasks |
| 09:17.48 | xingu | MrStein: I'd also suggest network layer encryption rather than transport layer. :) |
| 09:17.48 | creatoun | xand: i think it's the fan that speeds up or slows down during CPU peaks. |
| 09:17.59 | xand | anyway, run it and you'll see |
| 09:18.15 | xand | processes using heavy cpu will be at the top of the list |
| 09:18.22 | xand | it's like task manager in windows i guess |
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| 09:18.40 | creatoun | xand: i thought pid was. but anyway, i'll try top. |
| 09:18.49 | MrStein | Is Gerd Knorr still on the team ? |
| 09:18.50 | creatoun | or pid is just end task. |
| 09:19.11 | xand | pid is the id of a process |
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| 09:19.46 | creatoun | xand: another question. do you know if knoppix is debian based opposed to ubuntu? |
| 09:20.04 | xand | they're both debian based |
| 09:20.09 | MrStein | xingu: I can't use high ports. They are blocked in the environment I want to use them. Trsut me, I put a lot of thought before chosing port 21. |
| 09:20.13 | xand | knoppix predates ubuntu |
| 09:20.18 | streuner | MrStein: db.debian.org |
| 09:20.21 | creatoun | xand: or packages from debian rather ubuntu. |
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| 09:20.54 | xand | you'd have to ask #knoppix for more info |
| 09:21.10 | MrStein | is he still having problems with reading minds ? ;-) |
| 09:21.28 | xingu | MrStein: hmm; what you're doing sounds so much like doing an end run around explicit policy controls at the sink and and violation of TOS at the sending end I'm surprised it works at all |
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| 09:21.55 | MrStein | xingu: please dont mix political and technical problems ;-) |
| 09:21.56 | xingu | MrStein: I wouldn't, however, be surprised if it's more permanently broken the next time through |
| 09:22.16 | xingu | MrStein: the former is all too often the root cause of the latter |
| 09:22.32 | MrStein | xand: so wold be without net ? ;-) |
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| 09:23.25 | MrStein | OK, thanks for the assistance. Bye |
| 09:23.46 | creatoun | xand: i use an ISP with a port blocking policy. |
| 09:24.08 | creatoun | xand: in fact, i don't have a global IP address, only a LAN one. |
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| 09:24.23 | creatoun | poor me. |
| 09:25.13 | creatoun | anyways, thanks for the tips. |
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| 09:30.18 | xingu | as randy says, mangling payload is something I encourage all my competitors to do |
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| 09:31.43 | wathek | where can I find libc6 >=2.4.1 ? |
| 09:32.31 | xingu | sid is sitting on 2.6.mumble; are you sure you want to? |
| 09:32.45 | wathek | what ? |
| 09:33.11 | xingu | libc6: Installed: 2.6-2 |
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| 09:33.31 | xingu | wathek: are you really sure you want to install a newer libc6? |
| 09:33.33 | g00se | !qotd |
| 09:33.33 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". |
| 09:33.46 | wathek | xingu: when I do dpkg -l | grep libc6 I get this |
| 09:34.08 | wathek | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
| 09:34.09 | g00se | !qotd0 |
| 09:34.09 | dpkg | < tim> fuck!! - I have just sourced ~.bash_history instead .bashrc |
| 09:34.37 | xingu | wathek: that looks about right for etch, what's the problem? |
| 09:35.02 | wathek | xingu: I need to install a newer version to be able to install my printer drivers |
| 09:35.12 | xingu | !bobbitt |
| 09:35.12 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system. |
| 09:35.47 | wathek | hein ? |
| 09:35.55 | xingu | wathek: I would not advise doing that (every single package on your system depends on libc6); but good luck. |
| 09:37.27 | GreaseMonkey | night all |
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| 09:39.34 | dondelelcaro | wathek: why do your printer drivers require a newer libc6? |
| 09:39.48 | wathek | dondelelcaro: I solved my problem ;) |
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| 09:42.25 | streuner | wathek: how? |
| 09:43.09 | wathek | streuner: I've added a wrong line in my source.list |
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| 09:43.48 | wathek | streuner: so I've corrected it |
| 09:43.58 | streuner | wathek: show us in paster bot |
| 09:44.00 | streuner | !paste |
| 09:44.00 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 09:44.48 | wathek | streuner: no need to do that I've added a link to an Ubuntu repo so I've changed it to a Debian one and now it works |
| 09:45.09 | wathek | :d |
| 09:45.09 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 09:45.09 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system. |
| 09:45.16 | wathek | lol |
| 09:45.26 | themill | :) |
| 09:45.30 | streuner | ...the same goes with different 'debian based distros' |
| 09:45.46 | wathek | :) |
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| 09:50.29 | nanonyme | streuner: you guys anti-backporting? |
| 09:50.56 | streuner | what does "bobbitt" with backports to do? |
| 09:50.59 | streuner | have* |
| 09:51.25 | streuner | backports are just fine, a nice idea to solve problems |
| 09:51.38 | subx | everytime i boot my shell creates '.serverauth' files, how do you stop them? |
| 09:51.43 | nanonyme | kk |
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| 09:53.37 | nanonyme | streuner: well, in the case of software like wine which update very fast, all debian based distros really use the same ubuntu feisty package which tends to work just fine :) thus backporting |
| 09:53.45 | streuner | subx: how about to make a little script when booting it just rm them? |
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| 09:54.06 | subx | streuner: thats the lame way of solving the problem |
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| 09:55.08 | streuner | no way is lame till it works â„¢, IMHO |
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| 10:00.14 | xingu | subir: grep xserverauthfile `which startx` |
| 10:00.22 | xingu | s/subir/subx/ |
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| 10:01.49 | subx | xingu that gave me some information |
| 10:01.59 | xingu | yes, I thought it might ;) |
| 10:02.10 | subx | xserverauthfile=$HOME/.serverauth.$$ |
| 10:02.19 | subx | theres the problem |
| 10:02.23 | xingu | subx: ...=$XAUTHORITY is acceptable apparently. |
| 10:02.35 | xingu | subx: I guess this allows startx to be used for multiple displays... |
| 10:02.37 | subx | ok |
| 10:02.41 | itchi | How can i remove the journaled feature of ext3? I need to rebuild the journaling |
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| 10:03.06 | subx | i need to edit the startx file |
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| 10:03.13 | itchi | tune2fs -j /dev/sda2 says that there is already journaling. But it's corrupted right now |
| 10:04.13 | xingu | itchi: tune2fs -o ^has_journal ? |
| 10:04.18 | Noborusan | zend optimizer is a free product,how come its not included in etch ? |
| 10:04.29 | itchi | xingu: i dunno :-) |
| 10:04.45 | subx | xingu thank you |
| 10:04.57 | xingu | itchi: ... that's how you disable the has_journal flag for the filesystem. |
| 10:05.14 | itchi | xingu: I need to remake the journaling |
| 10:05.18 | xingu | itchi: nb, an irrecoverably corrupt ext3 journal is *bad*-fu. |
| 10:05.25 | xingu | itchi: so remove it, fsck, and readd it. |
| 10:05.51 | creatoun | anyone using xfce? |
| 10:05.54 | itchi | xingu, fsck get a *big* error. He could't fix it :-( |
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| 10:06.08 | xingu | itchi: read what I said; remove journal, fsck, readd journal. |
| 10:06.13 | spheard | hey all, Im trying to diagnose why I cant connect to my servers at a data center from a domestic ADSL connection. Here is a traceroute http://www.akiratech.com/mrtg/192.168.160.2_10.html |
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| 10:06.23 | itchi | xingu, Is readd a command? |
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| 10:06.25 | spheard | I can connect thru a web proxy |
| 10:06.35 | g00se_ | creatoun: slightly - why? |
| 10:06.49 | xingu | itchi: tune2fs -o ^has_journal /dev/sda2; fsck /dev/sda2; tune2fs -j /dev/sda2 |
| 10:06.52 | creatoun | g00se_: curious how you got the sound server to work. |
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| 10:07.04 | itchi | xingu, Thanks, gona try it out |
| 10:07.08 | xingu | itchi: nb, I don't rate your chances of surving all this without some minor data loss. |
| 10:07.22 | g00se_ | creatoun: i haven't tried ;-) |
| 10:07.35 | creatoun | g00se_: so you have no sound. |
| 10:07.38 | itchi | xingu, It's the / Is it better to format and reinstall? |
| 10:07.50 | g00se_ | creatoun: No. Haven't bothered |
| 10:07.55 | xingu | itchi: ext3 is really really good about not having your journal explode on you; the exceptions are - when you run out of disk space and also crash - and - for certain patch levels in 2.6.18/ early 2.6.19 and software that uses mmap |
| 10:07.56 | creatoun | fuck. |
| 10:08.06 | xingu | itchi: see how bad the fsck report is and gauge from that. |
| 10:08.38 | itchi | xingu, It's the first time i got a corrupted ext3 :-s |
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| 10:09.23 | xingu | itchi: the first time is always the worst |
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| 10:11.28 | itchi | xingu, I made some true (paper) notes; i gona try it out right now |
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| 10:14.10 | itchi | xingu, tune2fs -o ^has_journal /dev/sda2 give me the options to use for tune2fs, i guess the command is not yet right |
| 10:14.47 | xingu | itchi: sorry, -O |
| 10:15.33 | itchi | xingu, Still the same :-s |
| 10:15.44 | itchi | xingu, I'm looking in the man page too. Seems right |
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| 10:16.20 | xingu | itchi: tune2fs -fO ^has_journal /dev/sda2 ? |
| 10:17.07 | subx | from tonight im going to see how long i can keep my home server on for |
| 10:17.14 | subx | without rebooting |
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| 10:17.28 | itchi | xingu, same trouble |
| 10:17.35 | xingu | subx: apt-get install uptimed :) |
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| 10:17.44 | subx | what the hells that |
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| 10:17.59 | itchi | subx, Install that, it's very handy ;-) |
| 10:18.03 | subx | ok |
| 10:18.07 | xingu | subx: apt-cache show uptimed |
| 10:19.12 | itchi | subx, That give you this as output http://pastebin.ca/629477 Note, it's my laptop heh ;-) |
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| 10:19.56 | palestino_ | hello, I have a question, each time I connect the wireless ("iwconfig eth1 essid "router"), my Linux freeze,,,someone can help me? (im using slackware) |
| 10:20.01 | xingu | itchi: can you paste the output from that tune2fs command? |
| 10:20.06 | MangosDebian | xingu: ahh, thanks for reminind me :) |
| 10:20.11 | subx | very nice |
| 10:20.18 | MangosDebian | forgot about uptimed |
| 10:20.51 | itchi | xingu, http://pastebin.ca/629479 |
| 10:21.22 | xingu | itchi: can you add the actual command you issued to? |
| 10:21.25 | xingu | s/to/too/ |
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| 10:21.59 | itchi | xingu, It's on my main box, he don't boot up anymore right now :-s |
| 10:22.42 | xingu | itchi: hmm |
| 10:22.44 | itchi | xingu, When booting, fsck say that there is a problem. He try to fix it, and then he tell that he is unable to fix it and i need to enter my root pass to fix it manually |
| 10:23.20 | xingu | itchi: ok so here's what to do; edit your boot command and add "init=/bin/sh ro" |
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| 10:23.30 | itchi | xingu, I want to avoid to reinstall it, not that it is a problem to reinstall, just that i want to try to fix it before i use the last solution |
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| 10:23.45 | itchi | xingu, On grub? |
| 10:23.59 | xingu | itchi: then, we need to find out why tune2fs is erroring; I'll build a test case here, give me a few. |
| 10:24.10 | xingu | itchi: yes; to bypass *all* of init/rc scripts. |
| 10:25.05 | MangosDebian | xingu: doesnt grub single mode accomplish the same thing? |
| 10:25.14 | xingu | itchi: I think you might have misspelled something; tune2fs -O ^has_journal /dev/whatever works perfectly here |
| 10:25.19 | xingu | MangosDebian: not any more |
| 10:25.23 | MangosDebian | :( |
| 10:25.32 | xingu | MangosDebian: that is "... s{ingle}" which leaves you in rcS |
| 10:25.35 | itchi | xingu, Hold on, i make room on the desk for the laptop |
| 10:25.38 | xingu | MangosDebian: but all of rcS is run |
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| 10:29.10 | itchi | xingu, I did it, i wait now that he boot up |
| 10:29.45 | creatoun | anyone know if there're any debian etch alternative distros available? |
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| 10:30.04 | dondelelcaro | creatoun: probably; there are about 300 Debian derivatives |
| 10:30.20 | creatoun | ones using current etch. |
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| 10:30.25 | itchi | xingu, There is he. Need i to try again that command? |
| 10:30.37 | dondelelcaro | creatoun: quite likely; but what exactly are you looking for? |
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| 10:31.05 | creatoun | i plan on installing debian etch on my comp. i plan on installing an alternative on my friends comp. |
| 10:31.19 | xingu | itchi: you're booted to a shell prompt now? |
| 10:31.22 | dondelelcaro | creatoun: why not just install etch on your friend's computer? |
| 10:31.35 | xingu | itchi: ie, with init=/bin/sh ro ? |
| 10:31.55 | creatoun | i don't want to DL the DVD. and i don't want a Net install for my friend. i want something working out of the box with X. |
| 10:32.08 | itchi | xingu, Yes, i did that tune2fs -O ^has_journal /dev/sda2 and he no more complain now |
| 10:32.18 | xingu | itchi: ok good; now fsck /dev/sda2 |
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| 10:32.25 | dondelelcaro | creatoun: so download the CD? X works pretty much out of the box. |
| 10:32.28 | xingu | itchi: once done, put the journal back: tune2fs -j /dev/sda2 |
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| 10:32.49 | xingu | itchi: then - sync;sync;sync;sync - and just hit the reset button. |
| 10:32.50 | inetd | if dpkg -l shows an 'un' pkg can i remove it? |
| 10:33.02 | creatoun | dondelelcaro: there's 7 CDs. do i just need CD1? |
| 10:33.04 | dondelelcaro | inetd: it's already not unstalled. |
| 10:33.12 | dondelelcaro | creatoun: for the most popular packages, yes. |
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| 10:33.40 | creatoun | dondelelcaro: what's the default WM/DE for etch? |
| 10:33.46 | inetd | dondelelcaro: well long story short..it was never installed, but i have an entry there |
| 10:33.52 | dondelelcaro | creatoun: whatever you install; gnome if you don't select any options |
| 10:33.59 | itchi | xingu, He is still doing the fsck right now |
| 10:34.08 | inetd | dondelelcaro: i did try to install it b4 and it complained about file not not found from apt |
| 10:34.13 | creatoun | dondelelcaro: really? gnome? |
| 10:34.21 | inetd | dondelelcaro: so i did an apt-get update and now i cant install the package at all |
| 10:34.25 | dondelelcaro | inetd: if a package is listed in the status file, you'll have an entry listed, even if you never installed it. |
| 10:34.45 | inetd | dondelelcaro: can i get rid of this entry? |
| 10:34.56 | dondelelcaro | inetd: you're going to have to give me the full output of whatever it is that you're trying to do |
| 10:35.17 | xingu | itchi: ok; in that case - as the fsck goes through - you'll need to make a subjective call as to whether there are so many ("fixed") errors that you feel happy/unhappy about the likely data integrity |
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| 10:35.28 | itchi | xingu, What do you mean with sync;sync;sync;sync ? |
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| 10:35.34 | xingu | itchi: that's an art, not an exact science; trust your gut instinct; it's usually right |
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| 10:35.51 | itchi | xingu, Is sync a command maybe? |
| 10:35.52 | dondelelcaro | itchi: don't paste stuff to me in /msg, please. |
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| 10:35.59 | xingu | itchi: that command (4x sync, ; separators) is overkill but it will result in all dirtied pages being written out to disk |
| 10:36.06 | dondelelcaro | itchi: use a paste site. |
| 10:36.18 | itchi | dondelelcaro, I not have paste you stuff |
| 10:36.20 | MangosDebian | i swear everytime i see a sync, another one gets added :) first it was sync, then 2 sync's. 3 was popular for a while, not xingu introduces 4 syncs :) |
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| 10:36.30 | dondelelcaro | itchi: err, sorry. inetd |
| 10:36.32 | MangosDebian | s/not/now/ |
| 10:36.34 | inetd | dondelelcaro: there i sent a pm for you.. |
| 10:36.34 | itchi | ok |
| 10:36.34 | xingu | MangosDebian: the 4th one is overkill; 3 is required. |
| 10:36.36 | inetd | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 10:36.39 | dondelelcaro | inetd: stop pasting stuff to me. Use a paste site. |
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| 10:36.53 | MangosDebian | xingu: how is 3 needed more than say 2 or even 1? |
| 10:37.14 | xingu | MangosDebian: http://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/unix/TheLegendOfSync |
| 10:37.54 | inetd | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/m41b272c3 |
| 10:38.15 | inetd | dondelelcaro: i want to install libgtk+2.0 properly |
| 10:38.29 | itchi | xingu, I try to rebuild the journaling but he say me: Read-only file system while trying to create journal file |
| 10:38.29 | inetd | dondelelcaro: now that my apt source is updated |
| 10:38.35 | xingu | MangosDebian: so there you go, even that's a little bit wrong per that rationale |
| 10:38.55 | xingu | itchi: aah ok, so you can only add a journal to a rw mounted fs; fair enough, lets do... |
| 10:39.01 | xingu | itchi: mount -o / remount,rw |
| 10:39.05 | xingu | itchi: tune2fs -j / |
| 10:39.13 | xingu | itchi: mount -o / remount,ro |
| 10:39.19 | xingu | itchi: sync |
| 10:39.21 | xingu | itchi: fsck / |
| 10:39.39 | xingu | oops |
| 10:39.43 | xingu | mount -o remount,rw / |
| 10:39.45 | xingu | etc. |
| 10:40.06 | xand | spam |
| 10:40.12 | xingu | spamedy spam |
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| 10:40.32 | dondelelcaro | inetd: so first run an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; then run apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev; if that fails, run apt-get install libpango1.0-dev libcairo2-dev libx11-dev libxext-dev libxinerama-dev libxi-dev libxrandr-dev libxcursor-dev libxfixes-dev |
| 10:40.53 | MangosDebian | xingu: so there no chance that the sync issue is fixed in current kernels? |
| 10:40.53 | xingu | xand: his root filesystem has a corrupt journal, I could switch to /msg or private channel if it's getting on your tits. |
| 10:41.06 | xand | xingu: not really bothered :p |
| 10:41.22 | xingu | MangosDebian: personally I doubt it; it has come up on lkml before, I'm still searching for that cite |
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| 10:42.27 | itchi | xingu, When i try to do the first remount (rw) he tell me mount: can't find remount,rw in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
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| 10:43.02 | liable | you forgot the -o |
| 10:43.02 | xingu | itchi: the command is stuffed; use mount -o remount,rw / |
| 10:43.24 | xingu | no, that's me being a teapot, I put the fs after the -o, and the mount opts after the fs |
| 10:43.36 | xingu | and itchi regurgitated it perfectly :) |
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| 10:46.30 | itchi | xingu, I had need to do tune2fs -j /dev/sda2 otherwise he tell me tune2fs: is a directory while trying to open / |
| 10:46.45 | xingu | itchi: ok good; now mount -o remount,ro / |
| 10:47.12 | xingu | itchi: issue the sync command a few times; then punch the power or reset button. |
| 10:47.41 | itchi | xingu, Did that already :-) |
| 10:47.44 | xingu | ok |
| 10:47.49 | itchi | xingu, fsck tell that it is clean now :-) |
| 10:48.03 | MangosDebian | xingu: i swear we need an: alias sync="sync;sync;sync" :) |
| 10:48.03 | itchi | xingu, Reboot i guess?? |
| 10:48.25 | xingu | MangosDebian: part of the rationale in linux land is that the first(?) sync creates an io barrier only; if you don't issue the second at all, then the system /can still be flushing/ even after it returns. |
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| 10:48.52 | xingu | itchi: yep; if you're still in the init=/bin/sh environment - sync, and powerbutton or reset button |
| 10:48.54 | MangosDebian | xingu: seems like it would be easier to just mount -o remount,sync |
| 10:49.00 | xingu | itchi: don't use init/reboot/shutdown command |
| 10:49.04 | MangosDebian | then issue a single sync |
| 10:49.18 | xingu | MangosDebian: there's a weird interaction with the jbd too |
| 10:49.28 | xingu | MangosDebian: I *think*, I'm still hunting for the cite |
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| 10:50.28 | inetd | dondelelcaro: ok |
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| 10:51.04 | inetd | btw can msttffonts be used in openbox menus? (xlsfont doesnt show the font) |
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| 10:52.35 | itchi_ | That's why i still hate windows. Big troubles could be only fixed with reinstall :-) |
| 10:52.42 | itchi_ | xingu: THANKS! |
| 10:52.47 | itchi_ | !beer xingu |
| 10:53.07 | MangosDebian | xingu: well, the source for sync.c is rather useless rofl. you can guess why :) |
| 10:53.19 | itchi_ | xingu: I'm back in it :-) |
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| 10:53.33 | MangosDebian | xingu: although man 8 says "sync ensures that everything in memory is written to disk". Seems rather misleading |
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| 10:53.57 | itchi_ | The problem seems fixed :-) |
| 10:54.27 | itchi_ | Still have all my data, wtf :-p |
| 10:55.10 | itchi_ | xingu: Man; you helped me much with this fix :-) |
| 10:55.26 | itchi_ | xingu: You have one year free beer of me :-p |
| 10:55.35 | xingu | MangosDebian: do not meddle in the internals of kernels, for they are subtle and quick to panic |
| 10:55.43 | xingu | itchi: np/yw. :) |
| 10:55.44 | xingu | !customer |
| 10:55.44 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 10:56.05 | xingu | MangosDebian: http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0212.0/1185.html that's the kind of thing, but there's more. |
| 10:56.08 | MangosDebian | xingu: "It should be noted that none of these operations write out the file's metadata." |
| 10:56.22 | MangosDebian | xingu: /usr/src/linux/fs/sync.c |
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| 10:57.30 | xingu | MangosDebian: *nod*; there's also interactions with the block elevator that you need to think through, particularly on tagged transports like scsi and ncq-sata |
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| 10:57.49 | xingu | MangosDebian: sync creates a barrier, but commands before barrier can commit whenever they like really. |
| 10:57.59 | itchi | I'm still drunken of the fixed problem heh. |
| 10:58.09 | xingu | MangosDebian: so you need to stack two barriers back to back and wait for the second to complete.. |
| 10:59.02 | MangosDebian | xingu: I just wondered cause whenever im heavy into swap and I issue sync, it blocks. not like its async and returns right away. Just wondering if its dealth with the best it can be, 3 syncs or just one |
| 10:59.11 | xingu | MangosDebian: can be a big hole to plow into if you have a wide (many Nx tag capable targets with commands in flight) or long (iscsi with high propogation delay) trnasport |
| 10:59.20 | MangosDebian | xingu: elevator as in tagged queues? |
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| 10:59.40 | xingu | MangosDebian: as in iosched |
| 10:59.44 | xingu | MangosDebian: block scheduler |
| 10:59.54 | MangosDebian | xingu: dont know about the scheduler |
| 11:00.27 | MangosDebian | xingu: i know novell has an "elevator" algo for their fs. if its the same then I understand though |
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| 11:00.47 | MangosDebian | just apply to all io rather than disk i guess in this case? |
| 11:00.50 | xingu | MangosDebian: same sort of idea, newer science, better implementation. :) |
| 11:00.57 | MangosDebian | ahh |
| 11:01.04 | MangosDebian | sec, java time :) |
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| 11:02.17 | xingu | MangosDebian: fs thinks in terms of vfs ops (mostly, there's some layering violations in the journalled fs'); vfs thinks in terms of block operations; block operations are sorted and issued by the io scheduler |
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| 11:04.16 | xingu | MangosDebian: fsync(2) is a vfs operation; vfs works out what pages are dirty and commits them, then puts a write barrier in |
| 11:05.03 | xingu | MangosDebian: s/fsync/sync/; sync is then free to return |
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| 11:06.47 | dimbit | anyone know which package to install to get java > 1.5.0? is this even possible? |
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| 11:08.14 | xingu | dimbit: it's already in etch |
| 11:08.19 | xingu | s/etch/sid/ |
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| 11:08.41 | nanonyme | i think sun java 5.0 is in non-ree anyway in stable |
| 11:08.42 | xingu | dimbit: missed the boat for etch though; perhaps just grab and install the etch sun-java6-* packages? |
| 11:08.46 | nanonyme | non-free even |
| 11:08.50 | dimbit | what's it called though? java-common doesn't catch it |
| 11:08.52 | dimbit | oh, ok |
| 11:08.54 | dimbit | thx |
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| 11:09.07 | MangosDebian | xingu: well, sync binary sound only does sync() and exits. so with sync() all its really doing is iterating through all the dirty pages, thus the delay? is that what your saying? |
| 11:09.19 | xingu | dimbit: nb if they start needing sid dependancies, step away from the vehicle. |
| 11:09.34 | MangosDebian | nanonyme: ? I meant coffee if that was for me heh |
| 11:09.39 | xingu | MangosDebian: nope; the scheduler can't start the next sync until the first one completes |
| 11:09.50 | dimbit | is it going to be all non-free and ugly? |
| 11:10.09 | xingu | MangosDebian: sync creates a write barrier in iosched; so the 2nd one can't begin until the first one finishes - so the system call can't return. |
| 11:10.28 | MangosDebian | ah |
| 11:10.45 | xingu | MangosDebian: not sure where the 3rd one comes from; my hunch is journalling. still looking for that cite :| |
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| 11:11.02 | lvh|airport | hi |
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| 11:19.49 | creatoun | what version number is debian 'sid'? |
| 11:20.06 | xingu | MangosDebian: http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/5/27/180 <-- here's something quite new that talks around the related issues, but still not what I was after. |
| 11:20.13 | xingu | MangosDebian: it's a reasonable backgrounder though. |
| 11:20.31 | creatoun | xingu: ^. |
| 11:20.34 | xingu | !sid |
| 11:20.34 | dpkg | the <unstable> or <thermite> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
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| 11:22.51 | MangosDebian | xingu: you see, what gets me is that even shutdown.c only calls sync(); once |
| 11:23.14 | xingu | MangosDebian: yep, reassuring isn't it |
| 11:23.24 | MangosDebian | xingu: calls sync() just before it spawns "swapoff" |
| 11:23.48 | MangosDebian | "shutdown: turning off swap", sync occurs exactly before that |
| 11:23.49 | xingu | MangosDebian: fortunately the io scheduler and block layer now flush during controlled reboot |
| 11:23.55 | xingu | MangosDebian: they didn't always though ;) |
| 11:24.30 | MangosDebian | xingu: but if sync binary calls sync() once, and shutdown and all those tools call sync() once, i almost think thorugh process of elimination that 1 sync is all thats needed |
| 11:24.49 | MangosDebian | although swapoff could be calling sync as well which could have a similar effect |
| 11:24.56 | xingu | ... exactly so. |
| 11:25.10 | xingu | MangosDebian: and then the kernel itself explicitly flushes *during controlled shutdown* |
| 11:25.28 | xingu | MangosDebian: have a look at the last couple of printk()'s these days as libsata goes bye bye |
| 11:25.32 | MangosDebian | it goes: sync, swapoff, umount -a, init_reboot(BMAGIC_HALT) |
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| 11:29.45 | MangosDebian | hmm, swapon.c (also swapoff) doesnt seem to mention sync directly. still looking though. |
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| 11:30.01 | awakz | hey |
| 11:30.14 | awakz | i gto a laptop that constantly overheats during kernel compile |
| 11:30.17 | MangosDebian | xingu: well, umount calls sync() once, so thats 2 so far |
| 11:30.26 | awakz | is there anyway i can tell my fans etc to sspeed up |
| 11:30.29 | awakz | or underclock the cpu |
| 11:30.57 | master_of_master | hi! I've upgraded to etch, but now my lvm volumes aren't any more in /dev/vg/... |
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| 11:31.00 | kantor | hi, has somebody experience with RAID arrays ? mdadm tool for example ? |
| 11:31.11 | xingu | MangosDebian: the problem would be the pages that are dirtied between umount and reboot... :) |
| 11:31.28 | MangosDebian | xingu: im guessing that the swap code, if I dig deeper probably has the 3rd sync() |
| 11:31.42 | MangosDebian | xingu: well, at that point everything has been sent a sigterm |
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| 11:31.50 | MangosDebian | so really nothing should be running |
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| 11:32.11 | xingu | awakz: install cpufreqd, set /etc/default/cpufreqd:CPUFREQ_CPU_MODULE to acpi-cpufreq at a guess |
| 11:32.34 | xingu | MangosDebian: ... except kernel threads, like kjournald... |
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| 11:32.43 | xingu | MangosDebian: :) |
| 11:33.17 | MangosDebian | well ya :) |
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| 11:33.35 | MangosDebian | i honestly dont know what they do with the signals |
| 11:33.42 | shpchp | !i810 |
| 11:34.05 | MangosDebian | xingu: sounds like if multiple are needed, its pure fluke that the 2 or 3 sync()'s are called before shutdown on linux systems then |
| 11:34.10 | awakz | kernel: Critical temperature reached (105 C), shutting down. |
| 11:34.13 | awakz | that cant be good |
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| 11:34.27 | MangosDebian | awakz: unless your gonna cook an egg |
| 11:34.48 | awakz | actually |
| 11:34.55 | awakz | the little windows sticker is starting to melt |
| 11:35.08 | MangosDebian | heh, burn! |
| 11:35.27 | awakz | /etc/default/cpufreqd |
| 11:35.36 | xingu | awakz: as I said, cpufreqd, and allow the acpi-cpufreq regulator to do its thing. |
| 11:35.57 | awakz | xingu yeah |
| 11:36.03 | awakz | im looking for docs |
| 11:36.42 | xingu | awakz: what does grep 'model name' /proc/cpuinfo say? |
| 11:37.00 | tsp_ | hi, I use debian latest sid , i810 driver.,and when one window is be removed it will remain some shadow ,just why? |
| 11:37.14 | xingu | heh, my two cores have different bogomips ratings |
| 11:37.16 | xingu | go figure. |
| 11:37.21 | awakz | model name : AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology MT-30 |
| 11:37.33 | MangosDebian | xingu: sounds bogus to me :) |
| 11:38.02 | xingu | awakz: you probably need powernow-k8 not acpi-cpufreq then |
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| 11:38.10 | awakz | where can i get those |
| 11:38.24 | xingu | awakz: same line for cpufreqd |
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| 11:38.32 | xingu | awakz: then /etc/init.d/cpufreqd restart |
| 11:38.40 | msingh | please recommend something to make zipfiles |
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| 11:39.14 | MangosDebian | msingh: zip? :) |
| 11:39.21 | msingh | something.zip |
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| 11:39.52 | MangosDebian | msingh: no, i mean "zip". apt-get install zip |
| 11:40.00 | msingh | oh :) |
| 11:40.03 | MangosDebian | ;) |
| 11:40.15 | msingh | thanks! |
| 11:40.16 | awakz | CPUFreq Utilities: Setting ondemand CPUFreq governor... CPU0 failed. |
| 11:40.18 | awakz | it hates me |
| 11:40.19 | MangosDebian | heh np |
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| 11:44.55 | msingh | MangosDebian, i dont suppose you've used zip before.. i want to compress a single text file (b00m.txt) into b00m.txt.zip |
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| 11:45.05 | MangosDebian | msingh: not lately no |
| 11:45.10 | xingu | awakz: using powernow-k8 ? |
| 11:45.12 | msingh | ah well :( |
| 11:45.20 | awakz | xingu how do i use it |
| 11:45.20 | MangosDebian | msingh: zip --help? |
| 11:45.22 | awakz | what do i modprobe? |
| 11:45.49 | MangosDebian | msingh: if I gotta read the man page, then so do you :p |
| 11:45.54 | xingu | awakz: no, just edit that file /etc/default/cpufreqd |
| 11:46.09 | xingu | awakz: make sure that CPUFREQ_CPU_MODULE is powernow-k |
| 11:46.15 | xingu | awakz: powernow-k8 rather. |
| 11:46.22 | awakz | i cot this one |
| 11:46.22 | awakz | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:46.27 | xingu | awakz: then /etc/init.d/cpufreqd restart |
| 11:46.33 | xingu | awakz: apt-get install cpufreqd |
| 11:46.48 | awakz | No cpufreq interface found, not starting cpufreqd |
| 11:47.06 | xingu | have you editted that file yet? |
| 11:48.01 | awakz | retarting CPU Frequency daemon: cpufreqd failed! |
| 11:49.02 | msingh | MangosDebian, i got it. thanks. |
| 11:49.03 | xingu | awakz: try /etc/init.d/cpufreqd start |
| 11:49.09 | MangosDebian | msingh: np |
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| 11:49.20 | awakz | started |
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| 11:50.14 | xingu | awakz: ok; now cpufreqd-info | grep 'CPU frequency' |
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| 11:50.30 | xingu | err, cpufreq-info |
| 11:51.29 | awakz | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.34 | awakz | how can i set that to 800 |
| 11:52.05 | xingu | awakz: it'll clock itself down; look at the rest of the cpufreq-info output (without the | grep) and it'll tell you what governor it's using. |
| 11:52.18 | awakz | oh sure |
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| 11:52.53 | awakz | current policy: frequency should be within 1.60 GHz and 1.60 GHz. |
| 11:53.00 | xingu | awakz: the whole point is that cpufreqd will sense whether you're on AC or battery, what system load you have, what thermal temp. you have, etc; and it'll set speed accordingly. |
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| 11:53.17 | awakz | ok lets try |
| 11:53.50 | awakz | if it still overheats im just gonna buy a new one |
| 11:53.52 | xingu | awakz: cpufreq-get might show you what policies you have; you can pick a non-default with cpufreq-set manual; cpufreq-set N |
| 11:53.52 | awakz | fuck this |
| 11:54.04 | xingu | awakz: where N is the index # from -get |
| 11:54.25 | xingu | awakz: there's also a gnome applet (and probably a kde one) to let you toggle this |
| 11:54.44 | awakz | ah |
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| 11:54.50 | awakz | its at a nice 78 to 80 degrees |
| 11:56.01 | xingu | awakz: yep; just loading the powernow support will let the system down clock; the boot profile is typically all guns blazing - it's up to the OS to downclock FSB and core freq. |
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| 11:56.41 | xingu | awakz: anyway, enjoy; you can fiddle the default profile in /etc/cpufreqd.conf too and tune for your needs |
| 11:57.06 | awakz | hey xingu |
| 11:57.16 | awakz | want a coupon for a free domain name |
| 11:57.17 | xingu | mmm? |
| 11:57.17 | awakz | ? |
| 11:57.22 | xingu | nope, ta. :) |
| 11:57.27 | awakz | okiez |
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| 11:58.59 | xingu | awakz: nb the difference between ondemand and conservative is that the former allows the system to go open throttle immediately; the latter smooths the steps so that performance comes on under load on a curve. |
| 11:59.22 | awakz | cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature |
| 11:59.22 | awakz | temperature: 95 C |
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| 11:59.45 | awakz | im buying a new fucking laptop |
| 11:59.58 | xingu | awakz: it'll probably oscillate within a band |
| 12:00.13 | xingu | awakz: next step is looking at what acpi stuff you have loaded. |
| 12:00.35 | awakz | nah |
| 12:00.38 | xingu | awakz: is acpid installed? |
| 12:00.46 | awakz | next step is snorting some amfetamines and getting some work done |
| 12:00.53 | awakz | as long as it doesnt catch fire its cool |
| 12:01.10 | xingu | awakz: *shrug* no skin off my nose, but without acpi working your system could be shitting itself in system management mode for large proportions of time |
| 12:01.33 | awakz | its just an expensive paperweight for all i care |
| 12:01.50 | xingu | what notebook is it just out of interest? |
| 12:02.00 | awakz | asus a6k |
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| 12:04.12 | xingu | awakz: try switching to the conservative low profile. |
| 12:04.24 | xingu | awakz: see if the cpu speed downclocks below 1.6GHz |
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| 12:05.34 | awakz | xingu i swear to god im gonna throw this piece of shit out of a window |
| 12:06.00 | MangosDebian | awakz: you should rent office space :) |
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| 12:06.15 | awakz | MangosDebian "PCLOADLETTER" |
| 12:06.19 | MangosDebian | lol |
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| 12:08.20 | xingu | awakz: I was looking at that same notebook - was put off by the gfgo7300 in it |
| 12:08.21 | MangosDebian | bah, I mean, Im playing some Pantera :) |
| 12:08.30 | awakz | xingu i dunno |
| 12:08.33 | awakz | it was pretty sweet |
| 12:09.06 | xingu | awakz: I wound up buying a uniwill p53in rebadged whitebook for the same money |
| 12:09.12 | awakz | i dunno |
| 12:09.17 | awakz | im buying a new desktop |
| 12:09.23 | xingu | awakz: gfgo7600/256m |
| 12:10.18 | awakz | i dont know about htose cards |
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| 12:10.22 | awakz | i dont play games |
| 12:10.31 | xingu | awakz: that, and I wanted dual core and the turion x2 stuff just wasn't shipping |
| 12:10.51 | awakz | right now im only buying intel VT hardware |
| 12:11.08 | awakz | xingu www.easyvpshost.com |
| 12:11.14 | awakz | i own a bunch of servers |
| 12:11.15 | awakz | :) |
| 12:11.21 | xingu | awakz: my notebook is VT :) |
| 12:11.25 | awakz | nice |
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| 12:13.26 | frevidar | I'm trying to bring an old debian box back into my network (I think its running debian 2.2) but I don't think the network card is configured. If eth0 comes up in ifconfig, does that mean the kernel has detected the network card? |
| 12:13.45 | xingu | awakz: the default cpufreqd profile may well set minfreq to 100% on AC; hence the suggestion to flip to conservative low |
| 12:13.50 | awakz | yes |
| 12:14.04 | xand | frevidar: yes |
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| 12:14.29 | frevidar | xand: ok, cool, thanks |
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| 12:15.16 | xingu | awakz: but yeah, if the notebook *can't* run flat tack without cooking your bollocks, it's not a good thing. |
| 12:15.28 | awakz | well it COULD |
| 12:15.33 | awakz | im just not sure what is wrong with it |
| 12:15.48 | xingu | awakz: bad thermal paste in 90% of cases I read |
| 12:15.58 | enouf | awakz: here's some shit you might want to look at, play with; http://www.castalie.org/Linux/C610-ACPI.html |
| 12:16.09 | xingu | awakz: particularly cpu->cpu heatpipe+fan and gpu->gpu heatpipe+fan |
| 12:16.26 | frevidar | so, what reason may there be that it is not working. I'm noticing that when I do a flood ping, the light doesn't continually flash on the nic, it only flashes occasionally (every few seconds) regardless of network traffic |
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| 12:16.38 | awakz | meh |
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| 12:18.06 | ben__ | I can send files from my debian box to my BT phone but I cannot get my phone to find my PC to go the other way. What might be the prob? |
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| 12:18.54 | ben__ | My PC isn't found when my phone scans for BT devices |
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| 12:19.18 | MangosDebian | frevidar: does it get an ip? |
| 12:19.26 | MangosDebian | frevidar: or are you setting it static? |
| 12:19.38 | frevidar | mangosdebian: yes, 192.168.1.3 |
| 12:19.48 | MangosDebian | frevidar: yes its dhcp? |
| 12:19.51 | frevidar | it can ping itself |
| 12:19.58 | frevidar | nah, static I think |
| 12:20.19 | MangosDebian | frevidar: cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:20.27 | frevidar | there's no other .3 on the network |
| 12:20.30 | MangosDebian | frevidar: is it statis or dhcp? |
| 12:20.35 | MangosDebian | static* |
| 12:21.05 | frevidar | eth0 inet static |
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| 12:21.23 | MangosDebian | frevidar: ok. what is it connected to? another pc direct or a switch/hub? |
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| 12:26.08 | wij32 | hey, im trying to connect to msn using gaim, kmess, amsn, ayttm and they all dont work. when i connect from my windows box its fine so theres nothing wrong with my user:pass. any ideas? |
| 12:26.45 | MangosDebian | wij32: firewall? |
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| 12:27.08 | wij32 | i dont think so. i have not set up any rules or anything on my linux box, all other connections are fine :S |
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| 12:27.44 | MangosDebian | wij32: is the linux box on the same switch as the windows box? same subnet i mean? |
| 12:27.53 | wij32 | yes |
| 12:28.09 | wij32 | no rules on my router either, just out of the box standard setup |
| 12:28.40 | MangosDebian | wij32: i dont use them, but its still just a net connection. Try a packet sniff and see whats going in/out? |
| 12:28.59 | wij32 | yeah guess that's next step |
| 12:29.17 | wij32 | Don't use a proxy or anything so cant see whats wrong :S |
| 12:29.23 | MangosDebian | wij32: are you getting just a timeout? or some sort of bad suer/pass? |
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| 12:29.57 | MangosDebian | wij32: well, i suppose they could change the protocol on you to block such clients, but I doubt that all of them would change on you. |
| 12:29.59 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 12:30.24 | wij32 | Mangos: "Error connecting to server: connection refused" |
| 12:30.49 | MangosDebian | wij32: well, its connecting fine then. wrong port perhaps? |
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| 12:31.09 | MangosDebian | wij32: you wouldnt get an icmp back for that msg if it wasnt at least hitting the server I mean |
| 12:31.20 | wij32 | yeah |
| 12:31.48 | MangosDebian | wij32: does gaim use any settings to control server IP to connect to by chance? |
| 12:32.00 | wij32 | yes im taking a look now |
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| 12:32.26 | wij32 | there was a setting to use http. thats worked fine so i guess it was my router blocking maybe |
| 12:33.08 | wij32 | do you know of any terminal style msn clients, like irssi? |
| 12:33.33 | MangosDebian | try an apt-cache search. i know there were some years ago for icq at least |
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| 12:34.08 | MangosDebian | although I would argue that irc is faster if your gonna use text anyways |
| 12:34.25 | hark | bitlbee works with irssi :) |
| 12:37.21 | wij32 | just got to get my sound working then im ready for my full conversion to nix :-) |
| 12:37.38 | MangosDebian | gl :) |
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| 12:38.06 | nanonyme | heh, irssi does msn with bitlbee quite fast enough ^^ |
| 12:38.20 | nanonyme | although it's a bit buggy. it sometimes disconnects |
| 12:41.32 | MangosDebian | frevidar: so.... |
| 12:47.24 | MangosDebian | !ping |
| 12:47.24 | dpkg | pong |
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| 12:50.31 | szymon_g | hi |
| 12:51.04 | szymon_g | could anyone give me an addres to server with codecs? debian lenny . |
| 12:51.55 | szymon_g | i've got the standard-one (incl. non-free and contrib) |
| 12:52.04 | szymon_g | but i cannot find libdvdcss2 |
| 12:52.42 | hark | debian-multimedia.org |
| 12:52.43 | MangosDebian | I thought libdvdcss2 was "illegal" as per DMCA |
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| 12:52.59 | MangosDebian | or whatever law it falls under |
| 12:53.24 | szymon_g | hark : thanx :P |
| 12:53.31 | MangosDebian | or does debian actually package that under non-free or something? |
| 12:54.06 | hark | no, it can't |
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| 12:55.17 | Aymen | hi everybody |
| 12:55.27 | Aymen | I need assistance please |
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| 12:57.25 | Aymen | the OS selector (grub) does not appear when I turn my computer on |
| 12:57.45 | Aymen | so I can not access to my Debain partition |
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| 12:58.11 | Aymen | it directly goes to the windows XP |
| 12:58.26 | Aymen | what can I Do? |
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| 13:00.27 | MangosDebian | did you install grub to the mbr or the partition boot record? |
| 13:00.41 | MangosDebian | well, its clear its not mbr anymore :) |
| 13:00.57 | hark | installed xp after debian? |
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| 13:01.04 | MangosDebian | i assume you install....what he said |
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| 13:01.36 | solitude| | XP just overwrote the MBR |
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| 13:01.52 | MangosDebian | about what it sounds like |
| 13:02.35 | solitude| | #1 Rewrite GRUB to MBR |
| 13:02.37 | solitude| | #2 ??? |
| 13:02.44 | solitude| | #3 Profit! |
| 13:02.45 | MangosDebian | #3 Profit! |
| 13:02.47 | MangosDebian | lol |
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| 13:04.46 | solitude| | ^^ |
| 13:04.50 | solitude| | Hai MangosDebian :) |
| 13:05.00 | astinus | Does anyone know if the default package for OpenSSH server under Debian Etch includes the LPK patch, allowing me to do public key authentication direct outta LDAP? |
| 13:05.22 | MangosDebian | astinus: check the changelog.Debian.gz |
| 13:05.31 | astinus | MangosDebian: thanks :) |
| 13:05.49 | MangosDebian | least i think thats where they put those kinda things |
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| 13:05.56 | litage_ | is it possible to run Google Earth with only 2D rendering configured for your video card? |
| 13:06.01 | MangosDebian | worst case, apt-get source it and look to see |
| 13:06.21 | Aymen | yes I installed XP after debian 4.0 |
| 13:06.34 | solitude| | yeah, youre supposed to do XP first |
| 13:06.36 | solitude| | then linux |
| 13:06.39 | hark | litage_: would be very slow |
| 13:06.40 | Aymen | please how can I get access to Debian now |
| 13:07.06 | zrin | I'm rebooting a server and the shutdown hangs at "Deconfiguring network interfaces / bonding: releasing active interface eth0". Is there any chance to shutdown the server nicely, i.e. unmount file systems? |
| 13:07.16 | solitude| | [14:01:44] <solitude|> #1 Rewrite GRUB to MBR |
| 13:07.17 | delliott | Aymen, Windows XP overwrites the MBR on your machine. |
| 13:07.21 | MangosDebian | Aymen: pretty sure the boot cd would allow you to do that in rescue mode (perhaps expert rescue) |
| 13:07.26 | hark | !fixmbr |
| 13:07.26 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
| 13:08.05 | Aymen | ok thanks guys! |
| 13:08.17 | solitude| | oh, nice |
| 13:08.23 | solitude| | dpkg is useful |
| 13:08.40 | MangosDebian | zinx: sysrq |
| 13:08.42 | litage_ | hark: i started Google Earth about 5 minutes ago, and the splash screen is still up. should i interpret that as GEarth requiring 3D acceleration? |
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| 13:09.23 | Aymen | one other thing..is there an msn version for debian? |
| 13:09.38 | solitude| | no |
| 13:09.47 | solitude| | aptitude install gaim |
| 13:09.55 | solitude| | There are other msn clients though :) |
| 13:09.59 | solitude| | aptitude search msn |
| 13:09.59 | delliott | Aymen, Internet Messenger normally comes installed with Debian |
| 13:10.10 | Penix | heh |
| 13:10.15 | delliott | It is suitable for MSN / ICQ / Jabber / other things |
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| 13:10.55 | Aymen | bye |
| 13:11.07 | zrin | does etch kernel support sysrq? |
| 13:11.13 | MangosDebian | zrin: oops, sysrq meant for you not zinx |
| 13:11.26 | wij32 | gaim, amsn, ayttm, kmess |
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| 13:12.01 | hark | litage_: it would use software rendering, which is almost unusable.. but don't know about the splash etc. start from the terminal and see. |
| 13:12.04 | MangosDebian | zrin: yes, its enabled on a stock kernel |
| 13:13.22 | hark | litage_: did you use make-googleearth-package? |
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| 13:17.49 | xand | dook o.o |
| 13:18.28 | astinus | MangosDebian: Okay, it doesn't contain the required patches, so I guess I need to make a package :) Thanks for your help. |
| 13:18.39 | palestinian | some debian user who wish show solidarity with a slacker newbie? |
| 13:18.43 | MangosDebian | astinus: np |
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| 13:19.34 | herbi | hi guys im running debian unstable, recently did a dist-upgrade and now when i try and run my vmware client i get this error (using vmware server, which loads fine): |
| 13:19.36 | herbi | /usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware: /usr/lib/vmware/lib/libpng12.so.0/libpng12.so.0: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2) |
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| 13:22.21 | MangosDebian | astinus: dpatch might be able to simplifiy your rebuild |
| 13:22.22 | hark | herbi: try #vmware |
| 13:22.42 | herbi | hark, lol i did and all i got was someone saying "ive been waiting here for 5 hours, nobody is around"0 |
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| 13:25.23 | hark | herbi: or google it, the first or second result :) |
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| 13:26.46 | Overflow | does anyone familiar with snort? |
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| 13:27.25 | Overflow | what is the command for choosing device in snort/tcpdump |
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| 13:27.54 | MangosDebian | Overflow: <cmd> --help or <cmd> -h should tell you |
| 13:28.07 | MangosDebian | Overflow: if that fails, man <cmd> |
| 13:28.14 | Overflow | did both |
| 13:28.24 | MangosDebian | look harder |
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| 13:28.30 | Overflow | lol |
| 13:28.31 | Overflow | ok |
| 13:29.28 | Overflow | ok found it, thx |
| 13:29.36 | MangosDebian | ..... |
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| 13:34.38 | herbi | cheers hark |
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| 13:39.25 | coolb_ | has anyone here ran Doom3 natively ? |
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| 13:39.50 | rocketmagnet | hi, where is the default cgi-bin directory of debian etch ?? |
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| 13:40.26 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ |
| 13:40.28 | rocketmagnet | or how to configure apache to run certain cgi files ? do they need to be in a certain directory ? |
| 13:40.45 | coolb_ | anyone ? |
| 13:40.49 | rocketmagnet | MangosDebian: but how to run cgi files installed in this dir ? |
| 13:41.14 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: chmod +x and make them owned by root i believe is all you need |
| 13:41.25 | rocketmagnet | MangosDebian: when i open that localtion in my browser he tries to save the cgi file |
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| 13:41.37 | rocketmagnet | k, i try it |
| 13:43.42 | palestinian | sed: can't read /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent: No such file or directory |
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| 13:44.39 | rocketmagnet | MangosDebian: does not work - the browser tries to save the cgi file =( |
| 13:44.55 | palestinian | DIR=$(sed -ne "s:^FIRMWARE_DIR=\([^, ]*\).*:\1:p" \ |
| 13:44.55 | palestinian | /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent) |
| 13:44.59 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: hmm, thought it was enabled by default. sec |
| 13:45.29 | palestinian | someone can tell me where is the mistake? |
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| 13:45.42 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: what do you have in your 000-default site config? |
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| 13:48.22 | MangosDebian | palestinian: /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent doesnt exist does it |
| 13:48.52 | palestinian | MangosDebian, no,thats the error I get, but in the tutorial to install a driver Ask me to put that command |
| 13:48.58 | palestinian | can I sustitute it? |
| 13:49.15 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: but the file clearly doesnt exist, which file are you meaning to sed? |
| 13:49.29 | MangosDebian | err palestinian ^^^^ |
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| 13:49.33 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: sorry, not you |
| 13:49.33 | beered | How do I import sql backup on a different machine? |
| 13:49.47 | MangosDebian | beered: define "different machine" |
| 13:50.02 | palestinian | MangosDebian, i dont know,im a newbie, Im just following the instructions |
| 13:50.16 | beered | MangosDebian: I have a second machine on which I need to import mysql dump from the old server. |
| 13:50.17 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: curious, what kind of file is your cgi? script or binary? |
| 13:50.30 | MangosDebian | beered: more specifically its running......? |
| 13:50.31 | Maakuth | MangosDebian, don't you canadians ever sleep? :) |
| 13:50.34 | palestinian | MangosDebian, because each time I want to connect to the router with tireless the linux freeze,so im following all the steps again and in this I get the error,because as u said the file dont exists |
| 13:50.39 | MangosDebian | Maakuth: no :( |
| 13:50.46 | MangosDebian | Maakuth: and I want a raise! :p |
| 13:50.51 | palestinian | wireless,sorry |
| 13:51.12 | rocketmagnet | MangosDebian: it's the gitweb.cgi file |
| 13:51.31 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: whats the shebang set to? or is it set? |
| 13:51.41 | rocketmagnet | ?? |
| 13:51.46 | rocketmagnet | that's what |
| 13:51.48 | rocketmagnet | ? |
| 13:51.54 | MangosDebian | palestinian: well, from your error it doesnt exist. have you actually tried ls /etc/hotplug to see? |
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| 13:51.59 | cdleonard | what packages do I need to compile OpenGL programs? I have nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx-dev installed but can't compile SDLgears. |
| 13:52.04 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: head -n1 filename.cgi |
| 13:52.07 | cdleonard | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL |
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| 13:52.41 | rocketmagnet | MangosDebian: #!/usr/bin/perl |
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| 13:52.51 | palestinian | MangosDebian, the folder dont exist,my question is,if I dont do this step the driver wont work? |
| 13:52.55 | beered | MangosDebian: forget it. |
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| 13:53.31 | en1gma | sup all |
| 13:53.32 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: well, that seems ok. whats your site 000-default or whatever one your using say? |
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| 13:53.40 | rocketmagnet | how to change the group of a symbolic link ?? group www-data linkfile.cgi does not work |
| 13:53.56 | en1gma | is there a script that will install the x1950 pro ati x64 driver so i wont get paravirt error |
| 13:54.01 | rocketmagnet | MangosDebian: i have /var/www/mystuff where my user can write into |
| 13:54.03 | MangosDebian | cdleonard: perhaps apt-cache search opengl dev? |
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| 13:54.13 | robboplus | how do you backup particular table in mysql database? |
| 13:54.13 | rocketmagnet | there is my homepage test |
| 13:54.15 | robboplus | just one |
| 13:54.35 | robboplus | hi MangosDebian :) |
| 13:54.39 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: but whats the line for the cgi-bin have for settings? |
| 13:54.44 | palestinian | yes!!!!!! |
| 13:54.47 | palestinian | it worked!!! |
| 13:54.56 | rocketmagnet | MangosDebian: you mean in httpd.conf ? |
| 13:54.59 | MangosDebian | robboplus: dont even ask, you know what man page im gonna point you to ;) |
| 13:55.30 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: no, your /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default or whatever one your using to define this particular site |
| 13:55.41 | rocketmagnet | that's the default one yes |
| 13:56.18 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: but thats what your using for this one yes? what do you have for the cgi dir? can you pastebin it? |
| 13:56.32 | en1gma | is there an install script for the ati prop driver that will install correct with no paravirt errors |
| 13:56.33 | rocketmagnet | what file you want ? |
| 13:56.41 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: specifically the ScriptAlias and the <Directory> entry that matches |
| 13:57.02 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: the 000-default if you can (anonymize anything you feel we dont need to know) |
| 13:57.26 | cdleonard | I tried a lot of packages, nothing seems to work |
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| 13:57.43 | MangosDebian | cdleonard: well, it must be a -dev file for sure if that helps |
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| 13:58.03 | rocketmagnet | hmm... the apache2.conf has no directory entry for this |
| 13:58.20 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: should be in a directory called "sites-enabled" |
| 13:58.26 | cdleonard | I know, nvidia-glx-dev should do it |
| 13:58.28 | MangosDebian | well, thats a sym link |
| 13:58.38 | rocketmagnet | yes |
| 13:58.39 | cdleonard | but it doesn't work right now |
| 13:58.40 | rocketmagnet | but no config |
| 13:58.59 | xingu | cdleonard: nvidia-glx-legacy-dev ? |
| 13:59.03 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: the dir is empty? |
| 13:59.05 | rocketmagnet | ahh |
| 13:59.08 | rocketmagnet | got it |
| 13:59.08 | xingu | cdleonard: which do you use? -legacy- or other? |
| 13:59.09 | rocketmagnet | :P |
| 13:59.20 | xingu | cdleonard: ie, which driver? |
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| 13:59.21 | cdleonard | I've compiled opengl stuff in debian before, I have no idea what's going on |
| 13:59.30 | cdleonard | legacy-96xx |
| 13:59.59 | rocketmagnet | MangosDebian: how to reload this config into apache ? |
| 13:59.59 | xingu | cdleonard: and does dpkg -S libGL return something ? |
| 14:00.14 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: if you changed it? /etc/init.d/apache2 reload |
| 14:00.20 | xingu | cdleonard: I guess - dpkg -S libGL.la is a better pick. |
| 14:00.26 | rocketmagnet | MangosDebian: Options ExecCGI -MultiViews +SymLinksIfOwnerMatch |
| 14:00.37 | cdleonard | yes |
| 14:00.38 | rocketmagnet | ^^ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ |
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| 14:01.02 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: so scriptalias puts /usr/lib/.... under /cgi-bin/ yes? |
| 14:01.22 | rocketmagnet | ScriptAlias /cg-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ |
| 14:01.26 | cdleonard | nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx-dev: /usr/lib/libGL.la |
| 14:01.37 | rocketmagnet | that's all on defautl |
| 14:01.54 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: ya. ls -l /usr/lib/cgi-bin/file.cgi |
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| 14:02.22 | cdleonard | -lGL needs libGL.a, right? I have no libGL.a |
| 14:02.29 | xingu | cdleonard: sounds like something's mangled then; that's all I need (using nvidia-glx-dev though) |
| 14:02.47 | MangosDebian | !find libGL.a |
| 14:02.50 | rocketmagnet | MangosDebian: i've tried to make a symbolic link from /var/www/mystuff/gitviewer to /usr/lib/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi |
| 14:02.53 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libGL.a' (1): (/usr/lib/libGL.a) in libdevel/libgl1-mesa-swx11-dev. |
| 14:02.55 | robboplus | MangosDebian do you know what tables do i need to backup to save all the characters and import them into fresh db so it all works fine for people? |
| 14:03.04 | rocketmagnet | but it tells me i don't have the permissions |
| 14:03.08 | robboplus | only character* or more? |
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| 14:03.24 | robboplus | first time i'm trying it.. |
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| 14:03.31 | cdleonard | swx11 is for software rendering, I don't want that |
| 14:03.39 | xingu | cdleonard: can you cut/ paste the a failing command and the output from gcc? |
| 14:03.44 | MangosDebian | robboplus: ask in #mmorpg-dev, kinda OT here |
| 14:03.48 | xerxes_ | hi, it's my first time installing debian, and i have successfully finished the installation, i have logged in but all I see is this "bash" thingy, what should I do from here? |
| 14:03.51 | xingu | cdleonard: ie, to a pastebot |
| 14:03.52 | robboplus | ok, i am |
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| 14:03.57 | cdleonard | gcc -g -O2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -D_REENTRANT -o SDLgears SDLgears.o -L/usr/lib -lSDL -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lGL |
| 14:03.57 | cdleonard | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL |
| 14:04.00 | MangosDebian | cdleonard: sorry, thats just what dpkg found ;) |
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| 14:04.33 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: who owns the sym links? your user or root? |
| 14:04.43 | xingu | cdleonard: aah, try -L /usr/lib not /usr/X11R6/lib |
| 14:04.54 | rocketmagnet | MangosDebian: my user, but i can't set the group to www-data |
| 14:05.05 | rocketmagnet | normaly i have myuser:www-data to get access |
| 14:05.07 | xerxes_ | anyone please? |
| 14:05.10 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: "SymLinksIfOwnerMatch" |
| 14:05.15 | xand | symlink permissions do nothing |
| 14:05.20 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: try link it as root |
| 14:05.31 | rocketmagnet | but then i need to run the browser also as root... |
| 14:05.41 | MangosDebian | the browser? wah? |
| 14:05.44 | xand | only the target of the link's permissions matter |
| 14:05.51 | rocketmagnet | hm.. i try it |
| 14:05.57 | cdleonard | there's a -L/usr/lib in there too |
| 14:06.04 | xingu | cdleonard: actually forget that, it should be fine; (yeah just realised) |
| 14:06.17 | xingu | cdleonard: gimme a few to get the sdl examples so I can try to replicate. |
| 14:06.19 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: what are the perms on the cgi file? |
| 14:06.30 | rocketmagnet | MangosDebian: another thing: i've set for /var/www/ : Order allow,deny\nallow from localhost\ndeny from all and now i can't access anything |
| 14:06.37 | cdleonard | /usr/X11R6/lib has no files |
| 14:06.38 | rocketmagnet | MangosDebian: root:root |
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| 14:06.52 | MangosDebian | xand: whats my spot now? |
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| 14:07.12 | cdleonard | xingu: do you have libGL.a? |
| 14:07.14 | xingu | cdleonard: save me some time? is SDLgears in a package already? |
| 14:07.21 | xingu | cdleonard: yep. provided by nvidia-glx-dev |
| 14:07.26 | xingu | cdleonard: and you? |
| 14:07.36 | xand | MangosDebian: Umm, not sure... |
| 14:07.38 | xand | !stats |
| 14:07.38 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: are you accessing it from localhost? |
| 14:07.38 | dpkg | Since Sun Jul 22 11:05:03 2007, there have been 0 modifications, 12 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 8 commands. I have been awake for 3h 2m 34s this session, and currently reference 37471 factoids. I'm using about 15312 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 7.09/0.4 child 0/0 |
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| 14:07.42 | xand | bah |
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| 14:07.50 | cdleonard | hum |
| 14:08.14 | cdleonard | apt-cache search sdl gears didn't find anything |
| 14:08.22 | Overflow | hi guys, is there a remote desktop for debian to connect to an XP?? |
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| 14:08.34 | jlc | !tell jlc ntpdate |
| 14:08.48 | MangosDebian | sdlgears? not glxgears? cool. i need to grab that for the vm box |
| 14:08.54 | xingu | cdleonard: never mind I'll turn it up, it'll just take a while; do you have libGL.a ? |
| 14:08.58 | jlc | !tell jlc ntp-server |
| 14:09.06 | jlc | bah |
| 14:09.10 | cdleonard | wait... the why didn't !find libGL.a return nvidia-glx-dev |
| 14:09.28 | xingu | cdleonard: it's in nonfree? |
| 14:09.32 | rocketmagnet | MangosDebian: ? |
| 14:09.47 | Overflow | hi guys, is there a remote desktop for debian to connect to an XP? |
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| 14:09.59 | cdleonard | I don't have libGL.a, maybe it should be a symlink or something? |
| 14:10.09 | xand | Overflow: rdesktop/tsclient |
| 14:10.13 | eth01 | hey, is it possible to repair/reinstall debain without cd? (kinda dumb question).. |
| 14:10.14 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: try just put the cgi in /usr/lib/cgi-bin and test that |
| 14:10.17 | Overflow | thx |
| 14:10.33 | xand | eth01: what's wrong with it? |
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| 14:11.08 | eth01 | its full of crap basically, and daemons i dont want |
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| 14:11.19 | rocketmagnet | MangosDebian: ahhh i need to type http://127.0.0.1/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi =) =) |
| 14:11.36 | cdleonard | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=libGL.so&searchmode=searchword&case=insensitive&version=unstable&arch=i386 |
| 14:11.40 | xingu | cdleonard: ok looking at http://www.libsdl.org/opengl/SDLgears-1.0.2.tar.gz now |
| 14:11.42 | rocketmagnet | MangosDebian: but now my security settings are a bit wrong, i just want localhost access to the hole server |
| 14:11.46 | cdleonard | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=libGL.a&searchmode=searchword&case=insensitive&version=unstable&arch=i386 |
| 14:11.56 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: well how in the world were you calling it before? same but with localhost instead of 127.... |
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| 14:12.13 | cdleonard | I don't really care about SDL gears, it's just a very simple test case |
| 14:12.18 | xingu | cdleonard: grok that |
| 14:12.21 | rocketmagnet | yes, and i tried it over the symlink |
| 14:12.21 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: then change what apache binds too. only bind to lo |
| 14:12.27 | xingu | cdleonard: just trying to flush your bug on this system. |
| 14:12.48 | xingu | cdleonard: gcc -g -O2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -D_REENTRANT -o SDLgears SDLgears.o -L/usr/lib -lSDL -lGL |
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| 14:12.57 | xingu | cdleonard: ... is what I got, and that linked OK. |
| 14:13.12 | rocketmagnet | MangosDebian: but why does my Order allow,deny\nallow from 127.0.0.1\ndeny from all doesn't let me view the content ??? |
| 14:13.28 | xingu | cdleonard: is /usr/lib/libGL.a valid? |
| 14:13.30 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: also, when you use allow from, try use 127.0.0.1/255.0.0.0 instead of localhost (dns) I dont think apache does lookups for some reason |
| 14:13.41 | xingu | cdleonard: or is it mangled? there have been problems with diversions in the past. |
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| 14:13.56 | cdleonard | I don't have any libGL.a |
| 14:13.58 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: where is that line? what section? |
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| 14:14.03 | rocketmagnet | MangosDebian: he tells me everytime he starts up: Can't determine hostname unsing 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:14.23 | eth01 | ? |
| 14:14.32 | xingu | cdleonard: aah sorry, that'd be right |
| 14:14.40 | rocketmagnet | MangosDebian: /sites-available/default and the in <Directory /var/www/> |
| 14:14.56 | xingu | cdleonard: libGL.la is used for dynamic linking; is gcc the same arch as your system? this isn't a crosscompiler? |
| 14:15.02 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: but what is your cgi-bin <Directory> set to? |
| 14:15.09 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: allow from all? |
| 14:15.14 | rocketmagnet | mom =) |
| 14:15.25 | rocketmagnet | but doesn't matter if i bind to 127.0.0.1 or ?? |
| 14:15.28 | cdleonard | I don't think so |
| 14:15.54 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: well, if you dont want anything but localhost using the web server than i would say so |
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| 14:16.18 | cdleonard | want gcc -v? |
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| 14:16.33 | cdleonard | isn't .la only used by libtool? |
| 14:16.37 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: I think ports.conf lets you set the Listen to 127.0.0.1:80, but you may need to check that |
| 14:16.46 | xingu | cdleonard: yes, just having one of those days |
| 14:17.12 | xingu | cdleonard: ok, so there's something screwy going on; I too have libGL.la, libGL.so; and that SDLgears compiles/ links fine |
| 14:17.16 | rocketmagnet | MangosDebian: there was also allow from all, and nothing for deny |
| 14:17.17 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: and in your apache2.conf, add a ServerName "localhost" perhaps? |
| 14:17.45 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: the allow from all was in your cgi section yes? |
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| 14:17.51 | xingu | cdleonard: if you use ldd /usr/lib/libGL.so, are all *its* libraries found? |
| 14:18.00 | eth01 | hey, is it possible to repair/reinstall debain without cd? (kinda dumb question).. |
| 14:18.16 | tarzeau | eth01: what's broken? |
| 14:18.19 | eth01 | its full of crap basically, and daemons i dont want |
| 14:18.27 | tarzeau | !debain |
| 14:18.27 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
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| 14:18.37 | MangosDebian | eth01: apt-get install debfoster might help clean up |
| 14:18.40 | rocketmagnet | MangosDebian: how is the line called where i have port and server ip ?? |
| 14:18.46 | rocketmagnet | can't find it in the apache config |
| 14:18.57 | MangosDebian | eth01: then follow that by installing/running "cruft" perhaps? |
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| 14:19.17 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: I have a ports.conf, do you? |
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| 14:19.40 | rocketmagnet | ah, there is Listen 80 |
| 14:19.52 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: try: Listen 127.0.0.1:80 |
| 14:19.54 | rocketmagnet | do i need to add something for only listening on 127.0.0.1 ?? |
| 14:19.56 | cdleonard | ummm |
| 14:19.58 | rocketmagnet | k |
| 14:20.11 | cdleonard | I don't have libGL.so |
| 14:20.16 | cdleonard | I only have libGL.so.1 |
| 14:20.21 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: then try a netstat -tlp and see if apache listens on *: still |
| 14:20.28 | cdleonard | and 1.0.9639 |
| 14:20.55 | xingu | cdleonard: libGL.so should be a link to it; I think we've found root cause. |
| 14:21.09 | rocketmagnet | MangosDebian: it seems he has not startup |
| 14:21.18 | cdleonard | let me try to ln it by hand |
| 14:21.20 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: in english? |
| 14:21.38 | xingu | cdleonard: /usr/lib/libGL.so: symbolic link to `/usr/lib/libGL.so.100.14.11' |
| 14:21.42 | rocketmagnet | MangosDebian: apache seems to be down |
| 14:22.04 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: what do you try? reload? no errors were given? |
| 14:22.09 | cdleonard | hooray |
| 14:22.12 | rocketmagnet | reload and no errors... |
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| 14:22.22 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: tail /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 14:22.36 | cdleonard | it failed on missing glut headers now |
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| 14:22.43 | xingu | that's easier to solve ;) |
| 14:23.09 | xingu | freeglut3-dev |
| 14:23.13 | xingu | probably. |
| 14:23.35 | rocketmagnet | the logs tells me that the port is allready in use |
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| 14:23.47 | cdleonard | yep |
| 14:23.53 | en1gma | hey all i want to do a "net-install" for amd64 from a usb stick. im not sure how to do this AND what release will let me install the ati prop driver without getting the paravirt error |
| 14:23.56 | cdleonard | it compiles now |
| 14:24.05 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: try stop apache first then start again |
| 14:24.08 | xingu | it compiles, it boots, ship it! |
| 14:24.36 | cdleonard | I still don't have libGL.a, but it doesn't seem to need it |
| 14:24.53 | cdleonard | linking is really scary |
| 14:24.57 | xingu | cdleonard: that'd be for static linking |
| 14:25.07 | rocketmagnet | MangosDebian: seems to work |
| 14:25.15 | xingu | cdleonard: don't think nvidia actually offer it, but as I said I'm having one of those days... |
| 14:25.19 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: netstat -tlpn | grep apache |
| 14:25.21 | r_a_f | tell me - i have installed lenny - is there some differents to etch ? |
| 14:25.28 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: what is it listening on? |
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| 14:26.27 | MangosDebian | r_a_f: aside from everything being a different version number? |
| 14:26.30 | cdleonard | so when exactly is a .a file required? when you don't want to require a .so at runtime? |
| 14:26.36 | xingu | exactly |
| 14:27.09 | r_a_f | MangosDebian:ok thx ;) |
| 14:27.13 | rocketmagnet | MangosDebian: port localhost:80 |
| 14:27.19 | cdleonard | but that rarely happens, I got confused because most -dev packages have an .a file and thought that was the problem |
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| 14:27.37 | en1gma | is there an ati prop driver install script for amd64 ? |
| 14:27.55 | MangosDebian | rocketmagnet: looks good then |
| 14:28.04 | en1gma | if so which debian release do i need to get so i dont have the paravirt error |
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| 14:28.30 | cdleonard | thanks a lot |
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| 14:28.56 | rocketmagnet | MangosDebian: thank you |
| 14:29.07 | MangosDebian | np |
| 14:29.07 | rocketmagnet | the config made me get confused |
| 14:29.29 | rocketmagnet | some rules only apply when make a stop and do a restart |
| 14:29.53 | rocketmagnet | the allow and deny stuff for example |
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| 14:31.27 | stickybit` | i am using OO.o writer |
| 14:31.33 | stickybit` | when i press enter key the cursor skips 2 lines and goes on 3rd instead of next line |
| 14:31.40 | stickybit` | how to solve the problem? |
| 14:32.37 | stickybit` | MangosDebian: |
| 14:32.43 | stickybit` | rocketmagnet: |
| 14:32.52 | MangosDebian | stickybit`: yes? |
| 14:33.09 | stickybit` | MangosDebian: i am using OO.o writer |
| 14:33.19 | MangosDebian | stickybit`: and? |
| 14:33.21 | stickybit` | MangosDebian: when i press enter key the cursor skips 2 lines and goes on 3rd instead of next line |
| 14:33.36 | stickybit` | MangosDebian: how to solve the problem? |
| 14:33.54 | MangosDebian | stickybit`: sorry, I only help when I am not solicited |
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| 14:34.18 | stickybit` | MangosDebian: ok |
| 14:34.25 | en1gma | im in windows vista. i have a 1gig usb stick. is there a howto to install debian from a usb stick if you are in windows |
| 14:34.29 | eth01 | how do i manually assign 'eth0' with ips etc? |
| 14:34.54 | MangosDebian | eth01: static? man interfaces, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:34.59 | eth01 | ah ok :) |
| 14:35.10 | en1gma | jesus FAWK can someone point me to a howto |
| 14:35.13 | en1gma | i been googling |
| 14:35.36 | mrsno | en1gma check pendrivelinux.com , they have a guide for knoppix that you can meld into using the debian iso too |
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| 14:36.26 | stuv | eth01: ifconfig eth0 ip netmask ? |
| 14:37.37 | stuv | en1gma: for a VM ware or what you mean ? |
| 14:37.52 | en1gma | i want to install debian and i dont have a cd/dvd-rom |
| 14:37.56 | eth01 | stvu, yes that would work, either works :) |
| 14:37.59 | en1gma | only a usb stick and im in windows |
| 14:38.13 | eth01 | MangosDebian: debfoster helped, k thx. |
| 14:38.21 | MangosDebian | eth01: np |
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| 14:38.48 | stuv | ?? you want to install over the windows system or what you mean ?? you need to boot from the usbstick if your hardware supports that |
| 14:39.00 | eth01 | Just download the .iso and boot from it? |
| 14:39.07 | eth01 | (use virtualbox :P) * |
| 14:39.12 | stuv | =) |
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| 14:40.33 | en1gma | i have a seperate ide drive i want to install to...windows is on a raid0 |
| 14:40.57 | mrsno | en1gma have you seen http://goodbye-microsoft.com ? |
| 14:40.59 | Supaplex | www.goodbye-windows.com |
| 14:40.59 | en1gma | my hardware supports booting from the stick |
| 14:41.09 | mrsno | you can install debian natively, from windows using that url |
| 14:41.13 | MangosDebian | en1gma: let me guess, no cdrom? |
| 14:41.14 | Noborusan | thanks for helps,night all |
| 14:41.47 | en1gma | i cant use the goodbye-windows cause it wants to overwrite my raid0 partition |
| 14:41.50 | en1gma | cant have that |
| 14:42.08 | Supaplex | that's a good reason :) |
| 14:42.09 | mrsno | en1gma it will ask you (just like the normal debian installer, its the same thing) where to install to |
| 14:42.24 | en1gma | omg sweet |
| 14:42.26 | mrsno | it does not overwrite anything, without your say, it mearly adds itself to the windows bootloader |
| 14:42.56 | Supaplex | just like netinst |
| 14:43.11 | en1gma | does it let me pick which version of debian to install and if so which version will let me install the ati prop driver so i dont get the paravirt error |
| 14:43.14 | mrsno | as always, with installs though, make sure you have backups :-) |
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| 14:43.35 | mrsno | en1gma the paravirt error should not be in etch/stable really, its for kernels newer than etch's 2.6.18 |
| 14:43.42 | mrsno | that url will install debian stable |
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| 14:43.58 | en1gma | i think its in etch |
| 14:44.11 | MangosDebian | does etch ship with decent ati drivers capable of accelerated GL? |
| 14:44.18 | en1gma | i tried long time ago...i would prefer a newer kernel that has it disabled like they were going to do |
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| 14:44.23 | mrsno | MangosDebian no but fglrx-driver is in the repostories |
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| 14:44.44 | mrsno | en1gma i dont have ati but that paravirt error causes nvidia people problems too, it was not affected in 2.6.18 (etch) |
| 14:44.46 | MangosDebian | mrsno: for testing/sid? |
| 14:44.47 | mrsno | so you should be fine |
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| 14:45.13 | en1gma | maybe its newer then 2.6.18 where that comes into play but i think the newest kernels have it working again |
| 14:45.22 | mrsno | MangosDebian indeed, the mentioned paravirt error however can cause fiddling to get it working i believe, but as i say im nvidia :-) |
| 14:45.45 | mrsno | en1gma i believe it should be fixed in 2.6.22 whenever it enters debian, but you don't need to worry as you are not using 2.6.20 |
| 14:45.50 | en1gma | yea i had an nvidia vcard about a month ago where i had to make a new .config with paravirt disabled |
| 14:46.32 | en1gma | i would like to use the newest kernel possible as i suffer pretty bad raid0 perf with early kernels...is the 2.6.22 in repos yet |
| 14:46.38 | mrsno | im using sid so yes i had to do the same, however on etch i just installed the driver as normal |
| 14:46.44 | jlc | wget -c http://grizach.servebeer.com/nvpatch/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.11-pkg1-patched.run |
| 14:46.54 | mrsno | jlc that is what i used :-) |
| 14:46.56 | jlc | that is a patched script to install |
| 14:46.59 | en1gma | nice |
| 14:47.00 | jlc | :) |
| 14:47.04 | en1gma | didnt know there was one |
| 14:47.14 | en1gma | ok gonna try that goodbye-windows |
| 14:47.14 | jlc | http://grizach.sc18.info/nvpatch/ |
| 14:47.15 | mrsno | but its only necessary for anything newer than etch |
| 14:47.16 | en1gma | thanks all |
| 14:47.16 | jlc | main page |
| 14:47.20 | mrsno | gl en1gma |
| 14:47.25 | en1gma | bbiab i hope |
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| 14:48.04 | MangosDebian | mrsno: hmmm, so if I wanted compiz/beryl I would need the fglrx then I am assuming and thus the propriatary ati bins |
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| 14:48.25 | eth01 | what would the broadcast address be? |
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| 14:48.42 | mrsno | MangosDebian yes you can use the fglrx driver from the repositories, however ati requires xgl to use compiz-fusion or beryl or compiz |
| 14:48.47 | MangosDebian | eth01: depends. typically 192.168.0.255 |
| 14:49.10 | eth01 | hrm, anyway I can check? |
| 14:49.13 | Supaplex | eth01: what's the netmask and station address? |
| 14:49.19 | MangosDebian | eth01: you can probably leave it out, it should default properly |
| 14:49.25 | eth01 | nvm got it - 10.255.255.255 |
| 14:49.40 | MangosDebian | ahh, ok |
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| 14:49.55 | MangosDebian | need any more ip's? :) |
| 14:50.08 | Supaplex | he's only got 16million priv ones |
| 14:50.12 | eth01 | :p |
| 14:50.13 | eth01 | lol |
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| 14:50.44 | MangosDebian | mrsno: figures. last time I tried ati drivers they sucked to get working 3d |
| 14:50.48 | tralala | you can't go wrong with another million or two |
| 14:50.57 | yangvnc | Any idea how long it takes for the package to enter from unstable to testing? |
| 14:50.58 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 14:51.02 | mrsno | MangosDebian sorry forgot to mention but some ati cards can use the open source ati driver to do compiz without xgl, but it depends on your card |
| 14:51.18 | MangosDebian | tralala: cant wait til ipv6. My toaster will have more ipv's than most small countries :) |
| 14:51.27 | jelly-home | yangvnc, 10 days usually |
| 14:51.43 | MangosDebian | mrsno: radeon 9800 here |
| 14:51.50 | yangvnc | jelly-home: ok |
| 14:51.56 | tralala | MangosDebian, hehe. I can't wait for the moment when my loo seat will get an IP... |
| 14:52.09 | MangosDebian | tralala: love*? ya lol |
| 14:52.22 | mrsno | MangosDebian afaik you would need fglrx for that card :< but it should work fine with 3d , its a good card |
| 14:52.25 | eth01 | does it matter what the subnet/netmask is? |
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| 14:53.05 | MangosDebian | mrsno: cool. might just heave the old XP aside for a bit and test drive etch on this box. 3d is a must though :) |
| 14:53.31 | mrsno | MangosDebian whilst 3d is easy enough to enable, performance is sort of lacking, but for things like accelerated desktop you shouldn't notice any slowness |
| 14:53.53 | tralala | eth01, it wouldn't be there if it didn't |
| 14:53.54 | mrsno | fyi phoronix.com do comparisons of fglrx on linux and ati on windows, to give you an idea of how much work needs to be done |
| 14:54.06 | MangosDebian | mrsno: just wanna play with compiz is all. see how it runs. other than that I dont do much cept open web browser and xterms |
| 14:54.28 | MangosDebian | cool |
| 14:54.55 | mrsno | the last time i used ati card there were many bugs like for example switching tty with ctrl+alt+ caused the system to hang + required a reboot |
| 14:54.59 | mrsno | luckily that is now fixed :-) |
| 14:55.12 | jlc | MangosDebian: I found this yesterday, not sure if your looking at it or not |
| 14:55.13 | jlc | http://shame.tuxfamily.org/repo/ |
| 14:55.32 | tralala | I've tried compiz in etch with radeon. It's a nice toy for teenage girls along with an mp3-playing-cameraphone but nothing more than that. |
| 14:55.38 | jlc | if you have fglrx you just need to get xgl running first |
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| 14:56.06 | mrsno | tralala whilst i would agree with you (i disable most of the plugins), some are very very useful |
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| 14:56.16 | MangosDebian | jlc: it just looks so nice |
| 14:56.21 | eth01 | hrm whats the netmask :S |
| 14:56.26 | jlc | it has its uses |
| 14:56.31 | yangvnc | can someone suggest a good tool for making DVD's out of divx format? |
| 14:56.33 | jlc | not totally eye candy |
| 14:56.33 | MangosDebian | jlc: im worred that my cpu just wouldnt be smooth with it though |
| 14:56.35 | jelly-home | mrsno: hmm, shouldn't a 9800 be decently supported with r300 driver? |
| 14:56.43 | jlc | what kind of cpu |
| 14:57.01 | tralala | mrsno, I have to admit I liked expose and the real transparency |
| 14:57.01 | MangosDebian | athlon 2000 xp (1.6ghz) 1gig |
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| 14:57.10 | mrsno | jelly-home i haven't used ati in a long time but the last time i checked 9800 was very unstable with r300 |
| 14:57.12 | jlc | i would think that would be fine |
| 14:57.31 | mrsno | MangosDebian using accelerated desktop offloads the work to the GPU so you should be quicker not slower :) |
| 14:57.33 | MangosDebian | well, i do get decent frame rates in WoW in windows. so its not like it cant put out |
| 14:57.40 | tralala | eth01, I bet you'll find it explained with a few google queries |
| 14:57.58 | jelly-home | tralala: don't diss cameraphones, they can be useful ("THIS server had disks failing, see?") |
| 14:58.16 | MangosDebian | mrsno: whats even nicer is this second screen im using for my irssi. Might just have to ssh it for a bit as well :) |
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| 14:58.44 | MangosDebian | my lcd is all digital, and this monitor is vga so im set |
| 14:59.04 | eth01 | any ideas -- Address range 10.5.1.2 to 10.5.1.100 not on net 255.0.0.0/255.0.0.0! ? |
| 14:59.06 | jelly-home | tralala: also, with compiz/beryl there is no window redraw when switching workspaces, which makes for a smoother experience |
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| 14:59.28 | MangosDebian | eth01: you know, there are plenty of ip/subnet calculators |
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| 14:59.52 | eth01 | huh? |
| 15:00.10 | mrsno | i like the window previews on compiz-fusion, transparancy and zoom is very useful too |
| 15:00.13 | MangosDebian | so whats the compiz/beryl situation in etch? I know they merged to compiz-fusion, but is the etch support have one preffered over the other? |
| 15:00.23 | mrsno | when watching a movie its nice having a preview the same size of the video, on a second screen |
| 15:00.43 | mrsno | MangosDebian you could use the compiz-fusion repository jlc posted |
| 15:00.45 | MangosDebian | eth01: you been asking subnet questions for last 15-20minutes. just go grab a calculator and find out what you need :) |
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| 15:00.59 | tralala | jelly-home, in some situations (say 0.0001% of their usage) they (cameraphones) can be inexpensible. I come to hate the for the rest of the cases. |
| 15:01.11 | MangosDebian | mrsno: the etch one not very good I assume? |
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| 15:01.31 | jlc | http://people.debian.org.tw/~jesse/blog/2007/07/07/compiz-fusion-debian-packages/ |
| 15:01.40 | jlc | you can try building your own from git too |
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| 15:01.59 | mrsno | MangosDebian in etch i was using the beryl repository on their website |
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| 15:02.12 | mrsno | but now its merged with compiz, so using the compiz-fusion repos instead (sid) |
| 15:02.44 | MangosDebian | mrsno: im almost tempted to go with svn on this app and stay bleeding edge :) |
| 15:03.00 | MangosDebian | assuming i have no accell/driver issues that is |
| 15:03.17 | eth01 | how do i work out my netmask? |
| 15:03.21 | MangosDebian | *sigh* I hate backing up windows |
| 15:03.43 | tarzeau | eth01: if it's a 10.x.x.x address it's likely to be 255.0.0.0 |
| 15:03.48 | eth01 | yes it is. okay. |
| 15:03.49 | tarzeau | eth01: generally you should know it |
| 15:04.03 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: why? ever had to backup mac os x? |
| 15:04.11 | MangosDebian | eth01: apt-get install sipcalc or gip (for gnome) |
| 15:04.20 | eth01 | so the subnet/mask netmask should be right |
| 15:04.26 | eth01 | for 255.0.0.0 ** |
| 15:04.29 | MangosDebian | eth01: basically your asking us to plan your network and tell you what it is |
| 15:04.30 | tarzeau | eth01: dunno, that's something you must know |
| 15:04.41 | tarzeau | eth01: i've seen other netmasks used with 10.x.x.x addresses |
| 15:04.51 | tarzeau | eth01: read some tcp/ip networking books :) |
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| 15:05.14 | jelly-home | tarzeau: uh, who in the world uses an A class for a single network? |
| 15:05.28 | tarzeau | jelly-home: look, i just said i've seen it |
| 15:05.33 | tarzeau | jelly-home: don't ask *me* the details |
| 15:05.45 | jelly-home | tarzeau: you've said it's "likely" to be 255.0.0.0 |
| 15:05.53 | tarzeau | jelly-home: yes |
| 15:06.00 | tarzeau | jelly-home: true, well people that need it? |
| 15:06.06 | tarzeau | jelly-home: i know it's not common |
| 15:06.15 | jelly-home | tarzeau: never seen it |
| 15:06.17 | tarzeau | jelly-home: but that way it'll just work for *him* |
| 15:06.31 | tarzeau | jelly-home: i have, although not many of the possible ips were used |
| 15:06.37 | stuv | is there any documentation concentrating on debian system ? for example for someone coming from another distro |
| 15:06.41 | jelly-home | tarzeau: it won't if his router/gw is configured differently |
| 15:06.43 | MangosDebian | eth01: just go with a /24 in the 10.0.0.0 range and be done with it |
| 15:06.57 | MangosDebian | eth01: a /8 doesnt make sense for you |
| 15:06.59 | tarzeau | jelly-home: well what's that got to do with his netmask? |
| 15:07.14 | tarzeau | jelly-home: if the gateway/router is in the same network it'll work |
| 15:07.18 | x_link | This is maybe a stupid question, but I still have to ask it. |
| 15:07.37 | x_link | Why is it possible to change from Etch -> Lenny -> Sid, but not from Sid -> Lenny -> Etch? |
| 15:07.46 | x_link | I know that you can't downgrade, but why not? |
| 15:07.53 | MangosDebian | eth01: i assume you will never have multiple subnets and switchs etc? just one tiny network of machines? |
| 15:08.05 | eth01 | kinda * |
| 15:08.16 | tarzeau | x_link: can you travel back in time? |
| 15:08.30 | tarzeau | x_link: because nobody supports it |
| 15:08.37 | jelly-home | eth01: if the machines on your network segment are all in 10.5.1.*, it's likely that your netmask is /24 (255.255.255.0) |
| 15:08.59 | x_link | tarzeau: Okej. |
| 15:09.20 | eth01 | Address range 10.5.1.2 to 10.5.1.100 not on net 255.0.0.0/255.255.255.0! lol |
| 15:09.25 | MangosDebian | eth01: your almost better off going with a /28 or /30 (depeding on number of ports in your switches). use 10.x if you want, but 192.168 seems more popular. also note that some consumer switches dont seem to fully support odd subnetting |
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| 15:10.45 | MangosDebian | eth01: for example, my switch only allows me to set the ip address, it picks a /24 no matter what. This would be a problem for anything but a /24 setup. no /30's here |
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| 15:10.53 | eth01 | I think I'll change to 192.168.* seems alot easier. ;) |
| 15:11.15 | MangosDebian | eth01: a /30 will give you 2 bits left, 2^2 = 4, -1 bcast, -1 network = 2 ports |
| 15:11.20 | MangosDebian | eth01: get it? |
| 15:11.36 | MangosDebian | eth01: how many ports your switches have? |
| 15:11.44 | tarzeau | jelly-home: i prefer routed ip addresses directly in the internet :) |
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| 15:12.13 | aitiba | hi |
| 15:12.15 | aitiba | how can help me with a i810 grafic card? |
| 15:12.22 | jelly-home | eth01: your _network_ address is NOT 255.0.0.0, but something like 10.5.1.0 |
| 15:12.23 | MangosDebian | eth01: as for a /8, imagine you have 40 or 50 machines. broadcast packets would hit every box regardless. what if you have 16million hosts? broadcast traffic would kill your massive subnet |
| 15:13.08 | jelly-home | looks like you've misconfigured the network address: <eth01> Address range 10.5.1.2 to 10.5.1.100 not on net 255.0.0.0/255.255.255.0! lol |
| 15:13.12 | eth01 | I don't have a switch yet, I'm just wanting to remove the DHCP server from my router. so im dedicating a machine to do it :) |
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| 15:13.34 | MangosDebian | eth01: if you got 4port hubs, i would advise either a /29 or a /24, then but other switches on a seperate /24 to ease setup. plus linux /etc/networks file doesnt work on anything but a /24 |
| 15:13.40 | MangosDebian | something to consider |
| 15:14.40 | eth01 | so is 255.0.0.0 okay for a subnet? |
| 15:14.45 | MangosDebian | well, least it didnt. anyone able to confirm /24's only in /etc/networks? |
| 15:14.47 | eth01 | this is just for a *router*. |
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| 15:15.09 | MangosDebian | nm, man networks confirms, only class a,b or c |
| 15:15.16 | philluminati | Does debian, by default come with Gnome...and then a different iso, debian-kde provide a KDE version? |
| 15:15.25 | ichdasich | hi, i need to get the right options for the ne modul for the rtl8019 i use. |
| 15:15.36 | ichdasich | how do i get them, under debian etch? |
| 15:15.37 | MangosDebian | eth01: for just a few pcs? ya, use whatever you want, a b or c |
| 15:15.47 | eth01 | were talking 5-6 pcs |
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| 15:16.28 | MangosDebian | eth01: so go with a 10.0.0.0/8 if you want then and be done with it |
| 15:16.42 | eth01 | no im changing to 192.168.* |
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| 15:17.19 | eth01 | I can't change the start of the subnet ;) |
| 15:17.29 | RichoHealey | hmmm |
| 15:17.42 | RichoHealey | i just installed debian on a pentium MMX laptop |
| 15:18.02 | RichoHealey | it only uses the screen to an inch from teh edge under X |
| 15:18.27 | RichoHealey | and and inch and a half from teh edge on a shell |
| 15:18.27 | RichoHealey | but it goes to teh sides on a shell |
| 15:18.27 | RichoHealey | ideas? |
| 15:18.27 | philluminati | eth01. depending on the size of the subnet depends on it's valid starting addresses. Eg. If you want a network with 128 addresses, 10.0.0.128/25 would be valid |
| 15:19.53 | MangosDebian | im starting to think he just wants "big numbers" :) |
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| 15:20.20 | philluminati | 10.0.0.0/24 = 1 network of 254 addresses, from 10.0.0.1 to 10.0.0.254 10.254.254.128/25 is high and valid |
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| 15:21.05 | philluminati | 10.0.0.0/25 = two networks of half the size of 10.0.0.0/24. one starting at 10.0.0.0 and one starting at 10.0.0.128 |
| 15:21.16 | zinx | ah crap |
| 15:21.17 | MangosDebian | eth01: you understand that subnets are meant more for easing bandwidth usage for things like broadcast packets and more logical firewall and routing settings right? |
| 15:21.38 | MangosDebian | eth01: think partitioning for networks |
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| 15:23.05 | philluminati | the subnet is basically /x where x is the number of bits, from right to left that seperate the address of the network from the address of the actual machine. so 192.168.1.65/24 means the 192.168.1.0 is the name of the network and 65 is the name of the machine on that network. |
| 15:23.56 | solitude| | Anyone know if automatix uses apt-get or aptitude? |
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| 15:24.43 | kokoko1 | anyone using ktorrent? i wonders why we do not gettnig update for latest version of ktorrent |
| 15:24.58 | philluminati | no one has answered my question about debian yet. Does the default cd come with gnome? |
| 15:25.13 | MangosDebian | philluminati: yes, but there is a kde version of it |
| 15:25.26 | solitude| | philluminati. yes |
| 15:25.50 | MangosDebian | philluminati: so if you want kde, get the kde cd1, else the default will be gnome |
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| 15:26.22 | l_r | hello |
| 15:26.27 | philluminati | Thanks |
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| 15:27.00 | solitude| | or use the netinstall |
| 15:27.01 | massctrl | mdadm can make a raid10 setup. But you can't expand it. If I would unify sets of raid1's with lvm2 into 1 big physical device, than I will have the possibility to expand. Is there a better way to make an expandable raid 10 setup without a raidcontroller? Its for a homebrew nas setup. (no production |
| 15:27.03 | philluminati | I'm using the debian+kde version now but I don't like it. I want to go back to gnome. I was just checking this CD is what I wanted. thanks |
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| 15:27.34 | l_r | i am trying to build a deb package. when trying to install it with dpkg -i, postinst.ex is not called after the installation for some unknwon reason. do you have any idea? |
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| 15:27.55 | MangosDebian | l_r: did you rename it without .ex? |
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| 15:28.03 | l_r | MangosDebian, no :) |
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| 15:28.09 | MangosDebian | :) |
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| 15:29.04 | MangosDebian | massctrl: hmm, use lvm for the pv's of each drive then md those togethere? |
| 15:29.24 | MangosDebian | massctrl: least you could break the raid at will and alter it and remake it no? |
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| 15:31.38 | massctrl | MangosDebian: hmyeah, but with md I can't make my raid setup bigger, can't expand it,.. since I would really like to have 1 big physical device for storage |
| 15:31.40 | MangosDebian | massctrl: think that didnt word right. pv all the hd's. then make a volume for each and lv and then md those lv's |
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| 15:33.14 | MangosDebian | massctrl: i don't think you can put all the pv's into one volume though unless you can ensure the lv's dont leave their respective pv's. never tried limiting the lv's to a single pv though |
| 15:33.14 | KDan_ | what command can i type to immediately resync the date/time with a server online? |
| 15:33.28 | KDan_ | (GMT) |
| 15:33.39 | MangosDebian | KDan_: /etc/init.d/ntp restart? |
| 15:33.44 | KDan_ | cheers |
| 15:33.57 | MangosDebian | although there may be an easier way, it works for me :) |
| 15:34.03 | MangosDebian | maybe a -HUP? |
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| 15:34.23 | KDan_ | so, step 1 would be to install ntp, then :-) thanks |
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| 15:34.29 | MangosDebian | oh, ya :) |
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| 15:35.00 | massctrl | MangosDebian: wel it's possible with lvm to expand the pv with newly added ones. When this is done, you can resize the lv |
| 15:35.27 | MangosDebian | massctrl: but you would need to make sure the lv only ever used the one pv i think |
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| 15:35.52 | KDan_ | hmm, still says 2037 |
| 15:36.03 | MangosDebian | massctrl: assume a drive dies, parts of the vg would be inaccessable, but would be fine since your md is on the lv's left on working pv's |
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| 15:36.24 | MangosDebian | KDan_: ntp wont sync if its past a certain time i dont think |
| 15:36.43 | MangosDebian | KDan_: set your date approximately first then rerun it. |
| 15:36.49 | KDan_ | ok |
| 15:36.50 | KDan_ | thanks |
| 15:36.53 | MangosDebian | np |
| 15:37.07 | MangosDebian | sorry, wasnt expecting you to be that far off ;) |
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| 15:38.57 | massctrl | MangosDebian: well, If I would create /dev/md0 and /dev/md1. Each raid 1 setups. And I would create a Volume group consisting out of md0 and md1. I think I rather have my lvm running on top the software raid instead of the other way around... But doubting,.. |
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| 15:39.34 | MangosDebian | massctrl: but then your back to the issue of no resize |
| 15:39.34 | solemnwarning | Do programs/scripts need to be +r to be executed? |
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| 15:40.13 | massctrl | MangosDebian: no,... because I can make /dev/md2 add it to the volumegroup and expand the logical volume. not? |
| 15:40.21 | keith_ | you can do that |
| 15:40.33 | en1gma | sup all |
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| 15:41.05 | en1gma | that goodbye-windows worked great...i havent booted to vista yet to see if it messed up the mbr on the raid0 but im guessing it worked fine |
| 15:41.35 | MangosDebian | massctrl: now to play it safe and simple, you could pvcreate /dev/hdaX and /dev/hdbX, but only make then seperate volumes. say volume names of "raid1" and "raid2"? Then make lv's called md1 and md2 that only are part of the respecvtive vg's. then md the /dev/raid1/md1 and /dev/raid2/md2 |
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| 15:42.04 | keith_ | that's simple? |
| 15:42.21 | MangosDebian | massctrl: well, you can expand lv's just fine or vg's as well. but you need to ensure that the lv's are only ever on one disk |
| 15:42.59 | MangosDebian | massctrl: im pretty sure lvm can handle a drive missing from a vg fine. but you just dont get access to the files and lv's on that drive anymore (simulating a failure) |
| 15:43.27 | en1gma | one problem though...i was asking earlier about installing the ati prop driver and which version of debian to install so i dont get that paravirt error and someone said to install stable/etch and i did and it updated my kernel to 2.6.21 and i dont think that kernel will let me install ati driver without that paravirt error |
| 15:43.29 | MangosDebian | massctrl: so you need to ensure your lv only ever is on 1 drive |
| 15:43.36 | en1gma | i think i needed to stay below 2.6.18 |
| 15:43.46 | massctrl | MangosDebian: hmm,... |
| 15:44.26 | en1gma | im gonna try and hope it works ok |
| 15:44.36 | keith_ | what paravirt error? |
| 15:44.37 | MangosDebian | massctrl: as for growing, fine grow an lv, but you would need to make sure that the drive you add to it only gets used by from the pool for that one drive in the one lv, which im not sure if you can do during a resize, but I think so |
| 15:45.27 | MangosDebian | massctrl: ok ya, lvextend does accept an optional pv (your need drive) |
| 15:45.36 | MangosDebian | massctrl: but then the problem is your lv now depends on 2 pv's. unless thats ok by you |
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| 15:46.13 | massctrl | Mangosdebian: yes I suppose that's not really a problem |
| 15:46.22 | MangosDebian | massctrl: lets say you added an hdc and hdd to your 2 mirrord lv's. break the mirror, extend them and remirror. now if hda or hdc dies, you loose the one lv |
| 15:46.36 | MangosDebian | and hdd or hdb dying kills the second lv |
| 15:46.36 | RichoHealey | any ideas on how to modify my laptop settings? |
| 15:46.39 | en1gma | brb gonna restart X |
| 15:46.41 | RichoHealey | ffor the display? |
| 15:47.23 | keith_ | RichoHealey: just ask your actual question |
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| 15:47.48 | MangosDebian | massctrl: but it would still allow you to expand the size of the lv no problem assuming you matched the drives in pairs |
| 15:47.48 | RichoHealey | ok |
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| 15:48.01 | RichoHealey | well it only goes about an inch from teh edge of the screen |
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| 15:48.11 | khp | how to know by WHAT process is used a module ? |
| 15:48.12 | RichoHealey | i can't find any controls on the laptop to change it |
| 15:48.21 | keith_ | sounds like you're not running at the native resolution of your screen |
| 15:48.29 | RichoHealey | 640*480 |
| 15:48.32 | massctrl | MangosDebian:hmyeah, but its complicated I must you |
| 15:48.34 | RichoHealey | sounds right for a pentium mmx |
| 15:48.36 | eth01 | how do i manually assign static ips to net devices? |
| 15:48.39 | zrin | what could cause chroot to just hang? I've booted fron d-i in rescue mode, opened parition (cryptsetup), checked it (fsck -f), mounted --bind /dev and /proc, then tried to chroot into it, but it just hangs!? :( |
| 15:48.52 | keith_ | eth01: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:48.57 | massctrl | MangosDebian: s/you/say/ |
| 15:49.00 | keith_ | RichoHealey: try 800x600 |
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| 15:49.13 | RichoHealey | ok |
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| 15:49.18 | eth01 | its pretty plain though, not much to edit |
| 15:49.27 | keith_ | eth01: man interfaces |
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| 15:50.01 | keith_ | basically, iface eth0 inet static, and then you need to give it an address, netmask, and gateway |
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| 15:50.22 | MangosDebian | massctrl: something doesnt sound right to me about it though. lvm can strip already, but then you have no fault tolerance. but It seems like there is a way to only use certain pv's and such though and still get away with a mirror using md on the lv's that wont fail yet have benifit of the strip sets |
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| 15:50.35 | en1gma | i tried to install that fglrx driver with the script in the repo and i dont think it worked. can someone help me with it |
| 15:50.47 | MangosDebian | i should fire up a vm and add a few dosen 1gig drives and play :) |
| 15:50.57 | b52laptop | someone could recommand me a bridging tutorial with openvpn under debian ? |
| 15:51.13 | massctrl | heh yeah, my idea exactly |
| 15:51.23 | keith_ | enigma: fglrx is packaged |
| 15:51.35 | MangosDebian | massctrl: you use vmware already? |
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| 15:51.38 | en1gma | i dloaded the package and it said it installed |
| 15:51.39 | RichoHealey | keith_: in a shell (tty1) it goes to teh sides, but still not to the top or bottom? |
| 15:51.48 | RichoHealey | they would be running 640 by 480 yeah |
| 15:51.53 | en1gma | but i logged out and back in and fglrxinfo says it is using mesa |
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| 15:52.09 | massctrl | MangosDebian: yes I do, the free server edition,... |
| 15:52.10 | en1gma | and xorg.conf says driver = vesa |
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| 15:52.21 | keith_ | en1gma: you need to change xorg.conf |
| 15:52.31 | keith_ | b52laptop: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/35 |
| 15:52.33 | MangosDebian | massctrl: same. need to play with this setup. im kinda curious to see how it handles failures |
| 15:52.33 | en1gma | i thought the script did that |
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| 15:52.36 | en1gma | ok checking |
| 15:52.54 | keith_ | RicohHealey: that's weird |
| 15:53.00 | MangosDebian | massctrl: what kinda setup were you looking at? raid1? |
| 15:53.10 | en1gma | keith_ what do i need to change in xorg.conf |
| 15:53.35 | b52laptop | Keith_ thanks |
| 15:53.43 | massctrl | MangosDebian: how do you mean? sure raid 1 does the job for me, ... prices of harddisks are reasonable so I don't mind the 50% storage loss |
| 15:53.44 | keith_ | en1gma: change vesa to ati |
| 15:53.46 | RichoHealey | 'tis isn't it! just tried that, i suspect it's now dropped to a lower depth, since i only changed 24 bit |
| 15:53.47 | keith_ | er |
| 15:53.49 | keith_ | fglrx ? |
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| 15:54.36 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/629683 |
| 15:54.48 | MangosDebian | massctrl: and for the setup, you want to start with 2 drives mirrord on top of lvm. then later you want to be able to add say 2 more drives and expand the set right? |
| 15:55.08 | keith_ | en1gma: Driver "fglrx" |
| 15:55.13 | en1gma | ok thanks |
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| 15:55.26 | keith_ | ati = free ati driver (limited, no 3d) |
| 15:55.37 | massctrl | MangosDebian: exactly that's it,... That would give me 1 physical device that's expandable and redundant. |
| 15:55.59 | keith_ | RichoHealey: what happens if you run X? |
| 15:56.24 | massctrl | Mangosdebian: well, I would use lvm on top of the mirrored drives, ... but that's what you advice against,... |
| 15:56.31 | MangosDebian | massctrl: and in theory one drive dies, it only knocks out 1 lv using that drive. you replace and then readd to lvm to the bad lv and rebuild the mirror. that sound about right? |
| 15:56.32 | RichoHealey | it shows the screen fine, but about an inch from the edges |
| 15:56.33 | en1gma | ok. but where is filemanger super user...im in gnome and am used to kde and cant find it |
| 15:56.42 | RichoHealey | and i think that changing resolution just did nothing |
| 15:56.43 | RichoHealey | hang on |
| 15:57.04 | keith_ | change all bitdepths |
| 15:57.07 | RichoHealey | is there a config x script in here somewhere? |
| 15:57.09 | keith_ | en1gma: what? |
| 15:57.10 | RichoHealey | i just did |
| 15:57.12 | MangosDebian | massctrl: well, normally i would say use lvm on top of the mirror, but then you have the issue of no resize, unles... |
| 15:57.14 | massctrl | MangosDebian: yes the idea is the same, but the approach is a bit different than what I had in mind |
| 15:57.32 | en1gma | i need to edit the xorg.conf and am used to doing it with filemanger super user mode |
| 15:57.38 | en1gma | gnome dont have it i dont think |
| 15:57.39 | RichoHealey | VI@ |
| 15:57.42 | RichoHealey | VI! |
| 15:57.44 | MangosDebian | massctrl: you could just add 2 new drives, mirror them seperate and then pvcreate the new md device and then extend your vg that way |
| 15:57.57 | keith_ | en1gma: try the terminal |
| 15:58.02 | massctrl | MangosDebian: yeah that's what i had in mind |
| 15:58.12 | en1gma | is that the only way to edit the file...no gui? |
| 15:58.14 | MangosDebian | massctrl: yeah, seems like the better approach |
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| 15:58.22 | RichoHealey | en1gma: # vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 15:58.36 | en1gma | omg im used to kedit and vi i suck with |
| 15:58.44 | elton_ | hi |
| 15:58.45 | keith_ | use emacs then |
| 15:58.45 | RichoHealey | so learn.....? |
| 15:58.46 | keith_ | or pico |
| 15:58.48 | keith_ | or nano |
| 15:58.51 | RichoHealey | he he |
| 15:58.56 | en1gma | let me see if they are installed 1 sec |
| 15:58.58 | RichoHealey | vi is always there though :P |
| 15:58.59 | keith_ | or gedit, if you must... but you need to run it as root |
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| 15:59.09 | elton_ | can somebody tell me in which file the text of the bashlogin is saved? |
| 15:59.36 | MangosDebian | massctrl: may wanna install a /boot on each new drive though and install grub to it so you can tell your bios to boot a non failed drive should the primary fail though since its only software raid |
| 15:59.52 | keith_ | elton_: .bashrc? |
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| 16:00.37 | elton_ | keith_: i didn't find it in there |
| 16:00.38 | massctrl | MangosDebian: I will only use it for data storage, ... I'm not going to put my os on it. |
| 16:00.41 | en1gma | restarting x brb |
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| 16:00.52 | keith_ | elton_: .bash_profile |
| 16:01.08 | Zhamz | after compiling my kernel hangs on the first splash! |
| 16:01.09 | massctrl | MangosDebian:but a nice idea |
| 16:01.12 | Skyrail | On Debian the Nautilus window is ever so simple, is there any easy way to change and add to it? Like stop it from opening a new window every time I open a folder, including some buttons at the top to go up a folder level and things like that? Maybe even a tree menu some where so I can navigate through the different folder levels with that |
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| 16:01.13 | MangosDebian | massctrl: ahh, well that simplifies it :) Sounds like you got it then. |
| 16:01.14 | Zhamz | damn Ubuntu |
| 16:01.26 | eth01 | has anybody got a config to assign static IP's im struggling to set one up :) |
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| 16:01.39 | keith_ | !ubuntu |
| 16:01.39 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu - See also <based on debian caveats>. |
| 16:01.48 | en1gma | fglrx didnt work |
| 16:01.50 | en1gma | hmmm |
| 16:02.02 | keith_ | is it loaded? |
| 16:02.06 | massctrl | MangosDebian: heard some people saying that they would worry about lvm performance when it expands a couple of md devices. |
| 16:02.21 | elton_ | keith_: i whant to change this text: Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent.... |
| 16:02.36 | eth01 | elton : nano /etc/motd |
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| 16:02.47 | keith_ | eth01: http://pastebin.ca/629689 |
| 16:02.51 | MangosDebian | massctrl: well, you are doubling the writes per md and then adding another layer for lvm |
| 16:02.53 | eth01 | thanks keith :) |
| 16:02.57 | keith_ | elton_ ah, that's different |
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| 16:03.17 | keith_ | elton_: that's in /etc/motd iirc |
| 16:03.23 | Althaser | does aptitude or apt-listbugs has an option to ignore the packages with bugs to continue the upgrade ?? any ideia ? |
| 16:03.23 | en1gma | keith_ i logged out and back in and went to a term and did 'fglrxinfo' and it says mesa |
| 16:03.25 | MangosDebian | massctrl: i can't see it being too bad though. what else you expect with software raid though |
| 16:03.28 | hardbop200 | I'm having the 'waiting on root filesystem' issue when booting with 2.6.2x kernel. I've discovered that the system (kernel? udev?) thinks the root filesystem should be sda1 instead of hda1. how do I change this without changing my fstab? |
| 16:03.35 | elton_ | keith_: oh thx ... that was too easy |
| 16:03.35 | massctrl | MangosDebian: yeah indeed , there's always a trade-off, ... |
| 16:03.57 | en1gma | i just did a 'aticonfig --initial' and it says nothing to do cause it found fglrx in xorg.conf |
| 16:04.05 | keith_ | en1gma: so? |
| 16:04.18 | en1gma | fgl_glxgears dont work |
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| 16:04.38 | MangosDebian | massctrl: now, if you were to add encryption on top of that..... :) |
| 16:04.47 | elton_ | keith_: thx that was what i was searching for! |
| 16:04.48 | massctrl | MangosDebian: hehe |
| 16:04.53 | keith_ | en1gma: http://pastebin.ca/629692 that's what mine says |
| 16:04.57 | en1gma | it should say its using fglrx not mesa |
| 16:05.00 | en1gma | k 1 sec let me read |
| 16:05.12 | RichoHealey | hmmm |
| 16:05.22 | keith_ | hardbop200: it's looking for the root fs that grub passed it, probably |
| 16:05.22 | en1gma | keith_ try and run fgl_glxgears |
| 16:05.26 | RichoHealey | keith_: just booted again, still seems to be at defualt resolution |
| 16:05.30 | RichoHealey | i'm spooked |
| 16:05.49 | keith_ | en1gma: the machine is 2 miles away ;-) |
| 16:06.02 | Skyrail | Which file is the domain name on the PC kept it? Like the hostname is stored /etc/hostname... |
| 16:06.04 | keith_ | and through an ssh gateway |
| 16:06.15 | en1gma | ahh |
| 16:06.27 | keith_ | Skyrail: it isn't. the default search domain is in /etc/resolv.conf, if that's what you mean |
| 16:06.49 | Skyrail | keith_: ah that maybe what I'm looking for, thanks :) |
| 16:06.51 | mrsno | hey en1gma , did the install go ok? |
| 16:06.52 | massctrl | MangosDebian: I was thinking about buying a box which can hold a lot of these "http://www.vantecusa.com/product-storage.html#" MRK-200ST-BK |
| 16:06.57 | en1gma | yea no errors |
| 16:07.09 | en1gma | but xorg.conf should be bigger i think |
| 16:07.13 | en1gma | it looks little info |
| 16:07.15 | massctrl | MangosDebian: and exclusively use if for storage and nfs, smbfs,.. |
| 16:07.31 | mrsno | i see you are having fglrx troubles, can i ask did you use the drivers from the debian repositories, or did you download the driver from ati/amd's website ? |
| 16:07.56 | en1gma | repos* |
| 16:08.13 | mrsno | hmm so if you try lsmod as root, fglrx is listed and in use? |
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| 16:08.27 | keith_ | when you start x with the fglrx driver, does it run? |
| 16:08.30 | keith_ | if not, what does the log say? |
| 16:08.46 | MangosDebian | massctrl: neat. shows temperature and stuff I assume? |
| 16:08.54 | MangosDebian | massctrl: removable? |
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| 16:09.12 | massctrl | MangosDebian: yes it does, and hot plugable |
| 16:09.28 | en1gma | yea it runs |
| 16:09.33 | en1gma | fglrxinfo says mesa |
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| 16:09.48 | en1gma | and fgl_glxgears dont run |
| 16:09.48 | keith_ | so? |
| 16:09.50 | keith_ | oh |
| 16:10.16 | hardbop200 | keith_: unfortunately, everything appears to be correct with my menu.lst |
| 16:10.16 | keith_ | what about `glxgears` ? |
| 16:10.17 | MangosDebian | massctrl: i so wish i had a few $k to blow on hd's and setup with those in a nice tower :) |
| 16:10.21 | en1gma | and the ati control panel shows no info in it at all except it says mesa |
| 16:10.46 | peter_ | On my "application" menu shows up "wine" tab, how to deletey it? |
| 16:10.51 | en1gma | there is no "glxgears" command |
| 16:11.10 | mrsno | en1gma you may need to add a section to xorg.conf to disable composite |
| 16:11.21 | keith_ | install 'mesa-utils' |
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| 16:11.41 | peter_ | en1gma, you are trying to install fglrx ? |
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| 16:12.16 | en1gma | yea |
| 16:12.31 | subx | does anybody know the name of the standard xterm font? |
| 16:12.33 | subx | i cant seem to find it anywhere |
| 16:12.38 | en1gma | mrsno even if xorg.conf dont say any info about composite |
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| 16:12.46 | en1gma | ? |
| 16:12.51 | peter_ | en1gma, on what graphic card? |
| 16:12.56 | en1gma | x1950 pro |
| 16:13.01 | mrsno | en1gma then add it, something like http://paste.debian.net/33202 at the end of the file |
| 16:13.22 | en1gma | k trying 1 sec |
| 16:13.45 | mrsno | ahh x1950, the driver in etch will be too old :< |
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| 16:14.01 | mrsno | http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/fglrx-driver lists the x1900, but not the x1950 |
| 16:14.21 | mrsno | the newer version in testing/unstable does list the x1950 however |
| 16:15.01 | en1gma | i might upgrade to testing if the kernel dont have a prob with paravirt |
| 16:15.13 | en1gma | just added the composite info and gonna restart X brb |
| 16:15.24 | massctrl | MangosDebian: yeah, that must be great wouldn't it ? But first of all I need to be shure that this whole md/lvm setup is sane or completly insane :-) |
| 16:15.25 | mrsno | en1gma you can use backports.org |
| 16:15.27 | peter_ | On my "application" menu shows up "wine" tab, how to deletey it? |
| 16:15.31 | mrsno | ahh too late :) |
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| 16:15.49 | massctrl | MangosDebian: ok it's not a production environment, ... But I don't want to screw my music and video collection either, .. |
| 16:16.15 | mrsno | en1gma i was going to suggest using backports.org but it seems the fglrx driver listed there is also too old |
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| 16:16.51 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/629697 |
| 16:16.53 | Zhamz | OK, I just deed "cp /boot/config-`uname -r` .config && make oldconfig" |
| 16:17.00 | en1gma | thats what i get when i run fgl_glxgears |
| 16:17.09 | mrsno | en1gma i don't think the driver is recent enough |
| 16:17.17 | Zhamz | is asking me all this questions, I don't get it when it says (NEW) |
| 16:17.25 | en1gma | what is the latest avail kernel with testing or unstable |
| 16:17.28 | Zhamz | this is my 4th try to compile the kernel |
| 16:17.28 | en1gma | for amd64 |
| 16:17.41 | Zhamz | should I press ENter, Y or N |
| 16:17.52 | Zhamz | what's the safe bet but this thing too bot! |
| 16:17.52 | mrsno | 2.6.21-8 in lenny en1gma |
| 16:18.11 | en1gma | mrsno does that have paravirt disabled so the ati prop driver can install? |
| 16:18.19 | Zhamz | Removable Drive Bay (EXPERIMENTAL) (ACPI_BAY) [N/m/?] (NEW) |
| 16:18.25 | en1gma | i think im using 2.6.21-2 |
| 16:18.30 | Zhamz | What's NEW? |
| 16:18.35 | mrsno | en1gma im not sure really, on sid i had problems with 2.6.21 |
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| 16:18.50 | mrsno | en1gma before upgrading to testing, try http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=554837 |
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| 16:19.07 | en1gma | i dont know why this goodbye-windows installed the 2.6.21 kernel...i thought it was supposed to do 2.6.18 |
| 16:19.10 | mrsno | but first remove + purge the fglrx driver, you have already installed and change back to vesa in your xorg.conf |
| 16:19.21 | MangosDebian | massctrl: ya, nothing worse than killing your data. but dvd's are cheap and a spindle can generally backup all your data these days |
| 16:19.35 | zinx | DVDs are cheaper than hard drives per GB |
| 16:19.36 | en1gma | mrsno whats the exact purge command...never done that one before |
| 16:19.42 | en1gma | i used to use slackware |
| 16:19.48 | mrsno | en1gma you can do it in the synaptic gui :) |
| 16:19.52 | MangosDebian | zinx: but damn if maintaining them doesnt suck |
| 16:19.53 | mrsno | right click > completely remove |
| 16:19.58 | zinx | MangosDebian: indeed |
| 16:20.00 | en1gma | okie |
| 16:20.06 | massctrl | MangosDebian: hmyeah, but can you rely on them for a couple of years? |
| 16:20.07 | en1gma | gonna do that first |
| 16:20.12 | mrsno | en1gma etch definately is on 2.6.18, what does uname -a say ? |
| 16:20.14 | en1gma | mrsno thnx for the help |
| 16:20.18 | peter_ | On my "application" menu shows up "wine" tab, how to deletey it? |
| 16:20.18 | mrsno | your welcome |
| 16:20.21 | zinx | massctrl: a couple? sure. 14? maybe not. |
| 16:20.32 | MangosDebian | zinx: i sure dont wanna have to verify a couple 50 stacks every few weeks to verify them before i find out the hard way they were too close to a heater or something :) |
| 16:20.37 | en1gma | Linux CPU01 2.6.21-2-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Jul 10 21:39:38 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linu |
| 16:20.49 | MangosDebian | massctrl: who knows until you wait a few years :) |
| 16:20.51 | zinx | MangosDebian: heh, i keep mine far away from damaging stuff :) |
| 16:20.53 | en1gma | i told the installer to do stable |
| 16:21.09 | mrsno | en1gma what is in /etc/debian_version ? |
| 16:21.10 | zinx | MangosDebian: sun, heat, moisture, etc etc.. |
| 16:21.10 | en1gma | or actually it said etch and i told it to do stable when it asked me |
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| 16:21.27 | MangosDebian | massctrl: i recommend par2 for all backups though. but requires you to split your archives to multiple files for proper recovery |
| 16:21.28 | massctrl | MangosDebian, zinx: dvd's would be a solution but, unfortunately I would need direct access to my data, .... |
| 16:21.49 | en1gma | lenny/sid |
| 16:21.54 | mrsno | there you go then en1gma |
| 16:22.00 | MangosDebian | massctrl: were sying use your hd's, but keep a master backup on dvd encrypted+par2 |
| 16:22.03 | en1gma | so am i in lenny or sid |
| 16:22.03 | massctrl | I think it's horrible needing to dive into an archive pick out a dvd, put it into a reader, ... |
| 16:22.20 | massctrl | MangosDebian: yeah ok, |
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| 16:22.37 | MangosDebian | massctrl: stuff like your music and videos rarely change, cept adding/removing stuff |
| 16:22.37 | mrsno | en1gma it should say in your sources.list too |
| 16:22.47 | en1gma | k 1 sec |
| 16:22.51 | Matria | how do i create an administrator user in debian? |
| 16:23.02 | massctrl | MangosDebian: yeah absolutely true |
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| 16:23.23 | en1gma | says lenny there |
| 16:23.23 | MangosDebian | massctrl: plus with lvm you can lvchange -r ro your lv so less liekly to kill it |
| 16:23.26 | mrsno | Matria the 'root' user is already created |
| 16:23.28 | en1gma | im gonna change it to sid i guess |
| 16:23.34 | en1gma | brb need to purge |
| 16:23.35 | en1gma | :) |
| 16:23.43 | Matria | but i want another administraor account created |
| 16:23.44 | mrsno | en1gma ok so you are already on testing, im not sure going to sid is a good idea unless you enjoy fixing things :-) |
| 16:24.02 | massctrl | MangosDebian:yeah that's an idea for sure |
| 16:24.06 | en1gma | oh |
| 16:24.12 | en1gma | wonder why this driver isnt working then |
| 16:24.22 | mrsno | en1gma what does dpkg -l | grep fglrx say ? |
| 16:24.28 | Zhamz | how i wish there was an easy and fast script that could detect my hardware and build the perfect kernel for my system! |
| 16:24.31 | RichoHealey | how can i check what resolution it's running at under X on debian? |
| 16:24.34 | Zhamz | hope that dream comes true some day |
| 16:24.47 | peter_ | I have little problem... I have installed some application under wine. The wine tab showned up in my "Application" menu... I would like to deletey it but I cant, cause Alacarte dont see "wine"... |
| 16:24.52 | en1gma | i fglrx-control 8.37.6-1 control panel for the ATI graphics accelerat |
| 16:24.52 | en1gma | ii fglrx-driver 8.37.6-1 display driver for the ATI graphics accelera |
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| 16:25.12 | Skyrail | How do I copy files over from one PC to another using the command line? I'm connected through SSH on my local network. |
| 16:25.12 | mrsno | en1gma hmm yes that is the driver from lenny, not sure why it doesn't work then :/ |
| 16:25.21 | MangosDebian | Skyrail: scp |
| 16:25.22 | mrsno | there are newer versions since that |
| 16:25.23 | RichoHealey | Skyrail: you want sftp |
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| 16:25.33 | RichoHealey | or that ;) |
| 16:25.46 | Zhamz | use mindnigh commander with sftp support |
| 16:25.50 | Zhamz | best way |
| 16:25.50 | Skyrail | I don't quite fancy setting up ftp/sftp currently hehe, ok I'll look up scp :) |
| 16:25.55 | hark | RichoHealey: xdpyinfo |grep dimensions |
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| 16:26.07 | mrsno | en1gma maybe try that link i sent you, after purging the fglrx driver |
| 16:26.12 | Zhamz | I think sftp it's actually ssh/scp |
| 16:26.17 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/629707 |
| 16:26.17 | MangosDebian | i think scp tecnically is an sftp though |
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| 16:26.26 | RichoHealey | Skyrail: sftp runs over ssh |
| 16:26.33 | MangosDebian | sftp-server, yup |
| 16:26.34 | Skyrail | Ooh ok |
| 16:26.35 | RichoHealey | same port, uses sshd |
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| 16:26.50 | Skyrail | I'll need to find out about that as well for future use =) |
| 16:26.53 | Zhamz | sftp,does a bit of directory reading |
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| 16:27.09 | Zhamz | you can use midnight commander to make things easier |
| 16:27.14 | MangosDebian | ahh cool, i see that |
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| 16:27.28 | MangosDebian | always thought scp was just that subsystem |
| 16:27.43 | Zhamz | MN supports sftp / scp |
| 16:28.18 | MangosDebian | but question, does disabling sftp disable scp? |
| 16:29.33 | Skyrail | http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd where do I get the files mentioned here? http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en says from the Debian archives but I don't know where to look :/ |
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| 16:29.57 | philluminati | !nvidia one-liner |
| 16:29.57 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 16:30.05 | Sh3ytaN | az susun aq ? |
| 16:31.18 | Zhamz | can I use [ia64] with an Intel D procesor? |
| 16:31.25 | Zhamz | what ia64! |
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| 16:32.07 | solitude| | itanium! |
| 16:32.23 | solitude| | which will not work on a pentium D |
| 16:32.33 | Zhamz | inter arquitecture 64 (bits) i presume |
| 16:32.54 | dimir | Moin! |
| 16:32.54 | Zhamz | he Pentium D[1] brand refers to desktop 64-bit processors introduced by Intel in Spring 2005 |
| 16:33.37 | RichoHealey | grrr |
| 16:33.39 | hark | !ia64 |
| 16:33.39 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
| 16:33.41 | Zhamz | so amd, doest get a build for their 64bit procesor |
| 16:33.42 | jlc | crack |
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| 16:34.06 | Zhamz | damn, |
| 16:34.17 | RichoHealey | even though i altered my xorg.conf to have 800x600 for every color depth :( |
| 16:34.20 | Zhamz | I don't want to use the plain i386 and have to recompile the kernel |
| 16:34.23 | jlc | if during a net install you start getting connection time outs to the mirror, does it ever stop and say "hey choose another" |
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| 16:34.25 | RichoHealey | and it's still at 640x480 |
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| 16:35.01 | Zhamz | 4 DVDS! OMH |
| 16:35.04 | Zhamz | OMG |
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| 16:35.19 | Zhamz | Do I need all 4 DVDs! |
| 16:35.29 | hark | no |
| 16:35.37 | Zhamz | which ones do I need? |
| 16:35.42 | RichoHealey | 1? |
| 16:35.54 | krazykit | Zhamz, will this computer be connected to the internet during install? |
| 16:35.55 | Zhamz | what are the other 2 for? |
| 16:36.02 | krazykit | if so, you can get away with the small netinstall cd |
| 16:36.07 | Zhamz | yes, but Netinstall will take too long! |
| 16:36.16 | krazykit | longer than downloading the dvd? |
| 16:36.24 | Zhamz | hmmm, good point! |
| 16:36.24 | jlc | less than d/l a dvd |
| 16:36.25 | krazykit | which is far larger than what netinstall needs |
| 16:37.05 | Zhamz | all this from my precious current config, because I can't make latest kernel boot |
| 16:37.11 | Zhamz | damn |
| 16:37.35 | Zhamz | what kernel do I get with netinst? |
| 16:37.35 | krazykit | you don't keep a known good kernel on your system? |
| 16:38.07 | Zhamz | 2.6.17-12-generic |
| 16:38.23 | RichoHealey | ok, just booted DSL |
| 16:38.26 | Zhamz | It's slow, and it gives me problems with Virtualbox |
| 16:38.30 | RichoHealey | it happily uses the whole screen |
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| 16:38.57 | hark | that's not a debian kernel |
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| 16:39.06 | Zhamz | ubuntu |
| 16:39.10 | doudou | !dbus |
| 16:39.10 | dpkg | methinks dbus is D-BUS, or http://www.freedesktop.org/software/dbus/ or #dbus |
| 16:39.43 | zinx | Zhamz: we can't really answer ubuntu questions in here |
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| 16:39.45 | beered | I have UPS connected to USB port on a sarge box. How do I find out what /dev/usb is UPS connected to? |
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| 16:39.55 | zinx | Zhamz: #ubuntu can, though |
| 16:40.10 | no3sc | What is the command to reconfigure the xorg.conf file? |
| 16:40.16 | MangosDebian | beered: syslog say anything? |
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| 16:40.17 | hark | !drxx no3sc |
| 16:40.18 | dpkg | no3sc: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 16:40.41 | no3sc | thnx |
| 16:40.43 | beered | MangosDebian: no, there is nothing in syslog. |
| 16:40.52 | doudou | who installed dbus in my debian etch? |
| 16:41.14 | MangosDebian | beered: apt-get install usbview? |
| 16:41.36 | nvz | doudou: the man |
| 16:41.57 | beered | MangosDebian: no GUI on this box. Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 16:42.11 | Syntax_Error | hello, i have troubles with phpmyadmin, whatever user i try for login, it tries to login with user "www-data", any idea about what causes that? |
| 16:42.18 | hark | Zhamz: if you don't want to download the DVD, get cd1. |
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| 16:43.03 | doudou | nvz, who is the man |
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| 16:43.15 | hark | you the man |
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| 16:43.24 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 16:43.31 | MangosDebian | beered: /sys/bus/usb/devices? |
| 16:43.34 | HardDisk_WP | what's the easiest way to create a GUI interface? |
| 16:43.49 | nvz | doudou: you know, the guy that planted that glove at O.J. Simpson's house.. the one that was fuckin Paris Hilton in that video.. |
| 16:43.52 | beered | MangosDebian: cat /sys/bus/ |
| 16:43.55 | beered | ide pci platform serio |
| 16:43.56 | krazykit | HardDisk_WP, write one using your favorite toolkit |
| 16:44.04 | beered | MangosDebian: no usb listed. |
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| 16:44.27 | MangosDebian | beered: sounds like your usb isnt loaded let alone devices |
| 16:44.32 | HardDisk_WP | krazykit, well, what is the easiest toolkit if your programming experiences are only visual basic and php? |
| 16:44.39 | beered | MangosDebian: It loads USB keyboard just fine. |
| 16:44.45 | doudou | nvz, why is there always new features unexplained ? how can you trust something that is changing without alowing you to know |
| 16:44.57 | MangosDebian | beered: lsmod | grep usb show usbcore? |
| 16:45.15 | krazykit | HardDisk_WP, any of them. php and visual basic aren't really a comparison. |
| 16:45.22 | doudou | nvz, can you understand that my computer is like my home, you are not allowed to come into it without let me know |
| 16:45.27 | krazykit | HardDisk_WP, the most common are, obviously, gtk and qt |
| 16:45.34 | clars | is there still an _64 irc channel |
| 16:46.42 | HardDisk_WP | krazykit, ok...do you know any noob-guide for qt? |
| 16:46.52 | doudou | nvz, linux is supposed to be open source so people can try to read how things works, but you cant change all the time things, because something new came |
| 16:46.53 | massctrl | MangosDebian: ever played with nomachine nxserver? |
| 16:47.04 | krazykit | HardDisk_WP, google? |
| 16:47.13 | MangosDebian | massctrl: no, never even heard of it |
| 16:47.23 | HardDisk_WP | ^^ |
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| 16:47.34 | massctrl | MangosDebian: do you sometimes use vnc on your linux boxes ? |
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| 16:47.57 | MangosDebian | massctrl: no X here on this box |
| 16:48.28 | doudou | nvz, there are problems with this messy practice that are far more important that the small advantages of dbus for some few lazy programmers |
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| 16:49.08 | massctrl | MangosDebian: well anyway, I run a desktop as a xen guest domain, and use nxserver (which is free) to work on it remotely, ... the speed is just amazing |
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| 16:49.17 | massctrl | MangosDebian: the same speed as citrix I must say |
| 16:49.26 | doudou | nvz, are you paid by windows to make things untrustable? |
| 16:49.56 | MangosDebian | massctrl: cool. although you cant get much faster than ssh for what I do :) |
| 16:50.08 | doudou | nvz, people want simple and reliable, not a big garbage of all that is possible |
| 16:50.13 | massctrl | MangosDebian: you can even play sound, they have a java client to connect, and it runs over ssh. |
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| 16:50.30 | krazykit | doudou, if you don't like dbus, just remove it and whatever apps use it. |
| 16:50.34 | massctrl | MangosDebian: no that's true ;-) but for a remote desktop it's just crazy |
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| 16:51.07 | MangosDebian | massctrl: hmm, for mdadm im seeing a grow option you know |
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| 16:51.48 | doudou | krazykit, it should be the contrary, install dbus if you know why you need it |
| 16:51.51 | hark | ha, he outranted you ;) |
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| 16:52.18 | massctrl | MangosDebian: hm, not for a raid 10 setup: only RAID level 1/4/5/6 |
| 16:52.30 | stoned | nvz: you are strange |
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| 16:52.37 | MangosDebian | massctrl: ahh yes |
| 16:52.45 | krazykit | doudou, um, no. that's why we have a package manager, to tell us the dependencies of the program. otherwise, you're back to dependency hell trying to figure out what each program needs or why it doesn't work |
| 16:53.01 | beered | MangosDebian: lsmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 16:53.02 | hark | doudou: well, you shouldn't have installed it then in the first place :) |
| 16:53.14 | nvz | stoned: I haven't been sleeping much lately.. I got in around 5am and didnt go to sleep until around 7.. and its only like 12 something now.. so |
| 16:53.18 | beered | MangosDebian: I don't get it. I have binary 2.6.13 kernel. |
| 16:53.29 | MangosDebian | massctrl: although even with that, i would be curious how it would affect the volume group if you just suddenly enlarged it |
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| 16:53.44 | stoned | nvz: some fine chic wanted to do me and I said no. I am stranger than you. |
| 16:53.44 | MangosDebian | beered: what distro are you running? |
| 16:53.56 | stoned | nvz: 5 hours of sleep is good enough eh |
| 16:53.59 | MangosDebian | beered: sounds like your running a statically compiled kernel |
| 16:54.03 | beered | MangosDebian: Debian Sarge |
| 16:54.04 | stoned | nvz: thats how much I sleep |
| 16:54.10 | nvz | stoned: better than I had yesturday |
| 16:54.19 | doudou | krazykit, people who makes a programm so others can use it should take care of this, and if he is able to make it whith his system, he should be able to make it for a classic debian system |
| 16:54.22 | MangosDebian | beered: k, not using stock kernel? |
| 16:54.25 | lilkid | debian comes with a few ftp daemon packages.. can anyone reccommend any particular one? |
| 16:54.31 | massctrl | MangosDebian: then the volumegroup would be physically larger. But at that point the logical volumes would stay the same. |
| 16:54.32 | stoned | vsftpd |
| 16:54.35 | stoned | !vsftpd |
| 16:54.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, vsftpd is a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. It is secure and extremely fast. It is stable. Don't take my word for it, though. Below, we will see evidence supporting all three assertions. We will also see a list of a few important sites which are happily using vsftpd. This demonstrates vsftpd is a mature and trusted solution. used by large sites such as ftp://ftp.redhat.com ftp://ftp.kernel.org ... |
| 16:54.49 | lilkid | thanks =] |
| 16:54.53 | stoned | sure |
| 16:54.54 | MangosDebian | massctrl: guess you could just vgextend it and it would catch the change? |
| 16:54.55 | beered | MangosDebian: Yes, it is stock kernel. I did apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.13.1 |
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| 16:55.02 | doudou | hark, there is no way to know who installed it, why, what for, when, and man dbus says nothing |
| 16:55.03 | krazykit | doudou, so if you don't like the program using dbus, don't use it or complain to upstream about it. the program uses dbus for a reason. that's how it is. |
| 16:55.09 | MangosDebian | beered: and it doesnt support modules? |
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| 16:55.15 | beered | MangosDebian: I have no idea... |
| 16:55.17 | nvz | stoned: na I get fine chics that I'm not interested in all the time.. and I don't have a good reason like I have a wife like you do.. its usually just they are blond or their eyes are too far apart or something stupid |
| 16:55.33 | MangosDebian | beered: you didnt compile it at all? |
| 16:55.50 | massctrl | MangosDebian: yes vgextend, indeed. |
| 16:55.52 | beered | MangosDebian: nope. Let me try to apt-get lesser kernel 2.6.8 perhaps. |
| 16:56.08 | hark | doudou: it's obvious you installed it. check the dpkg logs or aptitude logs (if you use it) |
| 16:56.47 | doudou | krazykit, i am unable to know what program intalled it, i use only aptitude install, if one program i need installed dbus i disagree this programm should have integrated dbus in his sources |
| 16:57.30 | nvz | doudou: mark it for removal and you'll find out what installed it.. as it will be marked for removal as well |
| 16:57.37 | krazykit | doudou, so you're mad that some programmer used dbus? |
| 16:57.40 | hark | doudou: you've installed gnome? |
| 16:58.10 | hark | d-bus isn't going anywhere. it's even replacing kde's dcop thing |
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| 16:58.58 | nvz | so d-bus is broken down then (if it's not going anywhere?) |
| 16:59.00 | doudou | hark, i dont have gnome, i will try to read logs, i do not like x, i like to master simple before going to complex |
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| 17:00.41 | doudou | i beleive that theses dependencies mess is because each programmer use his own system to developp and not a standard one, am i wrong? |
| 17:01.03 | ladydoor | Hi all...so a few minutes ago, my computer powered down (it turns out my laptop was secretly unplugged). So I get it plugged back in and it (naturally) produces a lot of output what with recovering stuff and what have you. I'm superstitious, so I rebooted again, and it still gave way more output than I'm used to. The stanza in my menu.list still requests "quiet." Any idea what's up with that? |
| 17:01.27 | krazykit | doudou, yes, you are wrong. |
| 17:01.29 | Skyrail | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:01.50 | krazykit | doudou, dbus is a standard system. nothing exotic about it at all. |
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| 17:04.04 | olliwoll1 | is there a way to save the current state of packages installed, then install or remove packages and later restore the previous state with dpkg. there is dpkg --set-selections, but it only works for installing new packages and not removing (--purging). |
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| 17:04.29 | CharminTheMoose | how do you send the out put of 'echo foo | festival -tts -' to a .wav file? |
| 17:04.44 | hark | doudou: read up on it. pastebin dpkg -l and let's see what pulled it in |
| 17:05.20 | vinay | on a laptop, is it possible w/ xorg + nvidia to dynamically switch monitors without restarting X? |
| 17:05.21 | doudou | krazykit, i read dbus home page, and cant understand why it is needed, why linux kernel is not enought, it is exotic because i cant offer to try to read each new feature in my system, i dont want process or deamons evrywhere doing what they want |
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| 17:05.56 | doudou | hark, yes thanks for your help to understand why is dbus here |
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| 17:06.30 | nvz | CharminTheMoose: could pipe it to sox |
| 17:06.50 | nvz | CharminTheMoose: I don't offhand remember the syntax to make sox read stdin and write wav |
| 17:07.02 | hark | doudou: should have stuck with potato |
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| 17:07.27 | E-bola | Shouldnt /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 17:07.52 | E-bola | control /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward? When u enable net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding=1 |
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| 17:08.35 | xingu | doudou: apt-cache --installed rdepends dbus |
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| 17:09.12 | doudou | hark, sorry i am only a user, i come from debian installer there are only few month. i spent lot of time reading about linux, i feel it is useless, system is not made to be understandable nor simple, it is a big big box |
| 17:09.36 | lilkid | how do you configure vsftpd? i can't find any documentation that explains how to use it.. |
| 17:09.50 | xingu | !be complexity barbie |
| 17:09.50 | dpkg | complexity is hard! |
| 17:10.01 | Sh3ytaN- | Shut up! |
| 17:10.03 | Sh3ytaN- | :D |
| 17:10.12 | hark | !helpfile vsftpd |
| 17:10.12 | dpkg | For help with vsftpd, look in /usr/share/doc/vsftpd There may be an examples/ directory there as well. |
| 17:10.28 | lilkid | thanks |
| 17:10.45 | doudou | xingu, says it rdepends from libdbus-1-3 |
| 17:10.49 | beered | doudou: what OS did youuse before trying Linux? |
| 17:12.00 | xingu | doudou: ... lather, rinse, repeat; or take a shortcut, and trawl through apt-get --installed --recurse rdepends dbus |
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| 17:12.44 | b52laptop | ppl i have installed bridge-utils tools but there is no /etc/init.d/bridge-utils ?? is it normal ! |
| 17:12.59 | doudou | beered, dos2.11 until windowsxp, then i understood that windows helps ppl to pirate, and i understood that when you have a monopole who need to sell broken products to keep your customers buying |
| 17:13.08 | xingu | b52laptop: probably, ifupdown groks bridgeutils semantics now. |
| 17:13.39 | krazykit | grok :D |
| 17:13.42 | xingu | b52laptop: see ...usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian.gz |
| 17:13.51 | b52laptop | xingu, forget my stupidity , i didn't understand your idea :d |
| 17:13.54 | b52laptop | xingu, hm ok |
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| 17:16.17 | Azar | well nice |
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| 17:18.31 | steve__ | hi. i have a question concerning aptitude. when i run "aptitude upgrade" on my etch box it wants to remove mysql-server and client but i am using them. how can i figure out, why it does that ?? |
| 17:19.04 | Azar | steve__: did you run aptitude update << first? |
| 17:20.08 | steve__ | Azar, i run that by cron periodically |
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| 17:20.29 | Azar | steve__: it is probable that you installed that package with apt-get and aptitude does not seeit |
| 17:20.47 | Azar | try aptitude unmarkauto <packagename> then run again |
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| 17:21.31 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 17:21.31 | dpkg | qotd92 is, like, <bobesponja> I'm running sid, not debian |
| 17:21.39 | Azar | hahaha!! |
| 17:21.44 | steve__ | Azar, that brings me to the same prompt |
| 17:21.58 | steve__ | The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: |
| 17:21.58 | steve__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.04 | Azar | steve__: hmm try then apt-get update, apt-get upgrade |
| 17:22.28 | steve__ | apt-get runs fine, it doesn't want to do anything |
| 17:22.36 | steve__ | but i want to understand aptitude |
| 17:22.48 | steve__ | i thought it is superior to apt-get |
| 17:22.55 | b52laptop | someone plz can past me his /etc/init.d/bridge-utils ? |
| 17:23.00 | Azar | steve__: its been more than a yar I had same thing with xserver... I wrote to the maintainer, and he helped me fix it |
| 17:23.03 | dondelelcaro | steve__: it is; in this case it's removing those because they're marked as automatically installed. |
| 17:23.15 | doudou | beered, i understood that the only thing that has some value is your knowledge of your system, so i stop windows thinking that this value could vanished too easily, and i spent lot of time with linux, but principle one before complex master simple is not applied |
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| 17:23.45 | Azar | dondelelcaro: yes, I really don't remember how the maintainer helped me, but ithas to be done manually if aptitude does not use unmarkauto |
| 17:23.49 | steve__ | dondelelcaro, do you know how i can fix this ? |
| 17:24.02 | xingu | b52laptop: you probably don't need it; just set your options in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:24.08 | dondelelcaro | steve__: aptitude unmarkauto foopkgsyouwanttokeep; |
| 17:24.23 | Azar | dondelelcaro: unmarkauto does not work |
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| 17:24.43 | dondelelcaro | Azar: uh... it has whenever I've looked at it |
| 17:25.05 | steve__ | dondelelcaro, that doesn't help :-( |
| 17:25.26 | b52laptop | xingu, sorry i'm still a noob , and i don't know where is the problem coming from . the situation in fact : = i'm trying to setup openvpn with a bridging mode using http://www.thebakershome.net/?q=node/56 , and the author use bridge utils :D so ... |
| 17:25.27 | dondelelcaro | steve__: then run the aptitude install mysql-server yada yada. |
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| 17:26.30 | xingu | b52laptop: just create in /etc/network/interfaces... |
| 17:26.57 | xingu | b52laptop: iface br0 inet static |
| 17:26.57 | steve__ | dondelelcaro, that did the trick ! thanks :-) |
| 17:26.59 | doudou | xingu, thanks it stops on libdebus-1-3 even with --reverse. i read /var/log/dpkg.log.1 and found 2007-06-29 01:15:18 install libdbus-1-3 <néant> 1.0.2-1 |
| 17:27.09 | Azar | Daniel Burrows wrote me: I would appreciate it if you could email me the output of |
| 17:27.12 | xingu | b52laptop: bridge_ports tap0 |
| 17:27.13 | Azar | "dpkg --get-selections". |
| 17:27.23 | xingu | b52laptop: address 173.23.1.5 |
| 17:27.31 | xingu | b52laptop: netmask 255.255.255.0 |
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| 17:27.42 | xingu | b52laptop: network 173.23.1.0 |
| 17:27.48 | xingu | b52laptop: gateway 173.23.1.1 |
| 17:27.58 | hark | steve__: what debian version btw? |
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| 17:28.14 | steve__ | hark, it's etch upgraded from sarge |
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| 17:28.16 | xingu | b52laptop: that'll take care of creating the bridge interface br0 |
| 17:28.17 | doudou | xingu, i saw onece and forget how, it is possible to see memory and how memory is used by process |
| 17:28.30 | warlocky | What is the verison of debian etch called? (debian etch 3.1 right?) |
| 17:28.30 | xingu | doudou: "top" probably |
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| 17:28.37 | b52laptop | xingu, thanks man :D |
| 17:28.41 | xingu | doudou: [O] order by [q] size |
| 17:28.56 | hark | warlocky: 4.0 |
| 17:29.02 | warlocky | thats the new stable one right? |
| 17:29.17 | hark | yes, see /topic :) |
| 17:29.21 | Azar | then he continues: It looks to me like aptitude decided at some point that xserver-xfree86 had been pulled in by dependencies. ... Anyway, I think that "aptitude install xserver-xfree86" should solve your problem." <<<< steve__ |
| 17:29.53 | steve__ | i just did "aptitude install mysql-client-5.0 mysql-server-5.0 xbitmaps xcursor-themes" |
| 17:29.54 | doudou | xingu, i remmerber something stronger with maps of memory and process that used it, but i dont master top too |
| 17:29.57 | steve__ | everythin is okay now |
| 17:30.13 | warlocky | hark: How big is the debian etch 4.0 file? I noticed that there's 1-3 CD parts, and they're 4gb each, that cant be right? |
| 17:30.14 | Azar | steve__: :) ok now you shove it to aptitude's face, good |
| 17:30.26 | dondelelcaro | warlocky: those are DVDs. We have CDs too. |
| 17:30.45 | dondelelcaro | warlocky: you don't need to download any of them, though. Just a small netinst cd will do you; you can get the rest from the net |
| 17:30.52 | xingu | doudou: pmap can dump a pretty detailed view; but there's a zillion tools for creating various views, your description is't something I remember having seen. |
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| 17:31.18 | warlocky | dondelelcaro: which one should I get then if I just want to boot it up with a CD and install? |
| 17:31.27 | dondelelcaro | !netinst |
| 17:31.27 | dpkg | somebody said netinst was a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
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| 17:31.34 | dondelelcaro | warlocky: ^^ that one |
| 17:31.56 | susam | configure: error: xml2-config not found. Please check your libxml2 installation. |
| 17:32.04 | susam | I get this while installing php on my Debian machine |
| 17:32.18 | susam | but libxml2 is present on my system |
| 17:32.20 | Azar | hehe my lmsensors are whacked: mobo and cpu temps 41C to 59C damnnn |
| 17:32.25 | dondelelcaro | susam: why aren't you just using the Debian php packages? |
| 17:32.30 | warlocky | ooh, debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso <- this one right? |
| 17:32.39 | dondelelcaro | warlocky: right |
| 17:32.46 | susam | dondelelcaro, want to do some source code changes in php |
| 17:32.48 | dondelelcaro | warlocky: assuming you have an i386 machine |
| 17:32.58 | warlocky | But it installs everything from the net through what command? does it get the stuff while installing it? or do I have to do something to get the stuff? |
| 17:33.01 | dondelelcaro | susam: then start with the Debian php packages, and rebuild them. It's the easiest way. |
| 17:33.14 | dondelelcaro | warlocky: it does it using http from a local Debian mirror. |
| 17:33.19 | warlocky | dondelelcaro: I guess I do, as I'm using intel pentium m |
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| 17:33.28 | warlocky | ok, that explains it |
| 17:33.43 | warlocky | intel pentium D* er |
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| 17:34.07 | dondelelcaro | susam: you just need to add a deb-src line to your sources.list, and apt-get source php5; apt-get install build-essential fakeroot; apt-get build-dep php5; cd php5-*; munge source, fakeroot debian/rules clean binary; |
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| 17:35.04 | Syntax_Error | what could cause phpmyadmin to always try to login with user "www-data"? I won't use the one i tell him to |
| 17:35.18 | susam | dondelelcaro, yes i can do that. i was just wondering why it's complaining about libxml2 even though it is present |
| 17:35.28 | Syntax_Error | s/I won't/It won't/ |
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| 17:35.33 | dondelelcaro | susam: because you don't have libxml2-dev installed. |
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| 17:35.42 | dondelelcaro | susam: but you really want to follow my suggestion. |
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| 17:35.59 | doudou | xingu, thanks for pmap, i did wheris pmap, ls /usr/bin and found about 200 programms, it is impossible to master this sytem |
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| 17:36.17 | dondelelcaro | (having done this sort of thing with php, I ought to know) |
| 17:36.18 | susam | dondelelcaro, i understand your suggestion is right. I am just fullfilling my curiousity. yes libxml2-dev works. :) |
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| 17:37.03 | susam | what's the package name for PHP CLI |
| 17:37.08 | dondelelcaro | susam: well, the only difference with what you're doing now is that at the end of the process you'll have .debs that you can install, rather than bits of php spread thorughout your system... |
| 17:37.17 | dondelelcaro | susam: php5-clli |
| 17:37.19 | dondelelcaro | s/ll/l/ |
| 17:37.32 | xingu | b52laptop: nb, you'll probably also need |
| 17:37.38 | xingu | b52laptop: iface tun0 |
| 17:37.39 | dondelelcaro | !tell susam -about search |
| 17:37.47 | xingu | b52laptop: openvpn <yourvpnname> |
| 17:38.05 | xingu | b52laptop: or something similar (iface tun0 inet static) |
| 17:38.15 | b52laptop | xingu, hm ok |
| 17:38.22 | doudou | !iface |
| 17:38.27 | xingu | b52laptop: otherwise the tun0 device won't exist when ifupdown tries to create the bridge instance |
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| 17:38.52 | susam | Err http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main php5-cli 5.2.0-8+etch4 |
| 17:38.54 | susam | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.05 | susam | why is it connecting to security.debian.org for php5-cli ? |
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| 17:40.17 | susam | i guess i'll push the security URL down the sources.list and do an update again |
| 17:40.19 | hark | because there was a secuity update.. |
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| 17:41.00 | xingu | b52laptop: aah, I see from usr/share/doc/openvpn/README.Debian.gz: the syntax would be iface tun0 inet manual |
| 17:41.04 | susam | ok i have a question then |
| 17:41.09 | xingu | b52laptop: then openvpn yourconnection |
| 17:41.29 | susam | in this case there would be one php5-cli in the debian repo and another one in security repo |
| 17:41.50 | xingu | b52laptop: then, you'd need "auto tun0 br0" also in interfaces. |
| 17:41.54 | hark | apt-cache policy php5-cli |
| 17:41.55 | susam | so if i now install php5-cli from the debian repo for the first time, would it be the patched one? |
| 17:42.10 | b52laptop | xingu, hm: ok |
| 17:42.42 | susam | apt-cache policy says 500 http://security.debian.o... and then 500 http://ftp.debian.org etch/.... |
| 17:42.49 | susam | what does it mean? |
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| 17:45.30 | hark | the priority and each repository you have |
| 17:45.30 | undesktop | how can I force apt-get to re-download all package index-files? |
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| 17:46.26 | undesktop | ("apt-get update" didn't download diff-indexes now for two days or so, so I think it might be broken...) |
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| 17:49.20 | GaMeR64 | Hi everyone |
| 17:50.33 | jetscreamer | i hate that pdif stuff or whatever it is |
| 17:50.48 | jetscreamer | on my box |
| 17:50.51 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: you can turn it off? |
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| 17:51.10 | tarzeau | echo 'Acquire::PDiffs "false";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 17:51.16 | jetscreamer | tarzeau: yeah, so i hear, but it's just annoying, so i haven't gotten around to figuring it out yet |
| 17:51.20 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
| 17:51.30 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: it's useful for some people |
| 17:51.55 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 17:51.59 | jetscreamer | permission denied |
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| 17:52.09 | GaMeR64 | Is anyone here familiar with Thecus NAS devices? |
| 17:52.40 | jetscreamer | weird... sudo didn't work, but su then did |
| 17:53.01 | edistar | jetscreamer: you set up your sudo yourself? |
| 17:53.23 | jetscreamer | edistar: yes, but it does work... not on that particular command though |
| 17:53.47 | eth01 | hrm. |
| 17:54.34 | jetscreamer | tarzeau: yeah i could see the pdiff being useful maybe, but me i seem to catch the time where it takes longer to get the pdiff's than to just do the full regular thing |
| 17:54.43 | Sh3ytaN- | other Serv name do your know ? S: |
| 17:54.47 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: that's where you turn it off :) |
| 17:55.01 | undesktop | hm... can it really be there weren't any package updates the last two days? |
| 17:55.35 | jetscreamer | undesktop: only in etch |
| 17:55.44 | jetscreamer | and maybe not there, not sure |
| 17:55.52 | undesktop | I'm on unstable (lenny, I think) |
| 17:56.31 | jetscreamer | lenny is testing |
| 17:56.35 | jetscreamer | sid is unstable |
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| 17:56.53 | jetscreamer | yay no pdiffs |
| 17:57.00 | jetscreamer | !tarzeau++ |
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| 17:57.39 | beavel | downloading bison but can get over 84% - what can be the problem? |
| 17:57.42 | massctrl | anyone knows a case that can hold around 10 5.25" devices ? |
| 17:58.12 | hark | it's faster without them? |
| 17:58.26 | undesktop | jetscreamer: I have lenny/sid |
| 17:58.39 | undesktop | jetscreamer: that's what the login on the console shows |
| 17:58.42 | jetscreamer | hark: sometimes |
| 17:58.46 | beavel | can anyone help me? |
| 17:59.20 | anapivirtua | Good evening / Bonsoir / Mooh / (kikoolol epiknet, surtout) ! |
| 17:59.20 | jetscreamer | undesktop: testing is lenny, sid is unstable, yes it does say both, examing your /etc/apt/sources.list to see exactly which |
| 17:59.39 | jetscreamer | undesktop: you could just try a different source and see if anythig happens |
| 17:59.47 | undesktop | "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free" |
| 17:59.54 | jetscreamer | should be fine |
| 18:00.09 | jetscreamer | you might make http://ftp.us.debian.org |
| 18:00.12 | undesktop | it says "sid", so it clearly should be unstable |
| 18:00.18 | jetscreamer | i find that to be quicker |
| 18:00.20 | jetscreamer | correct |
| 18:00.24 | jetscreamer | it's sid/unstable |
| 18:00.35 | jetscreamer | no you won't get 2 days w/o updates imo |
| 18:00.49 | undesktop | so why does it show "lenny" on the login? |
| 18:01.03 | jetscreamer | they got lazy and just amde it work for both? |
| 18:01.09 | undesktop | (I'm not used to these names, I just know the terms "unstable", "testing" and "stable") |
| 18:01.23 | jetscreamer | it sayd testing/unstable , basically |
| 18:01.38 | jetscreamer | as in 'it's one of these' |
| 18:01.51 | undesktop | ugh |
| 18:01.55 | spheard | How do I set up a proxy? |
| 18:02.08 | undesktop | ok, I used ftp.ch.debian.org as host; now I have dozens of updates |
| 18:02.14 | jetscreamer | there ya go |
| 18:02.26 | jetscreamer | the ftp.debian.org one can be very slow nowadays |
| 18:02.33 | jetscreamer | didn't used to be |
| 18:03.18 | jetscreamer | beavel: just ask |
| 18:03.31 | jetscreamer | i can try maybe |
| 18:04.11 | undesktop | spheard: do you mean to use a proxy or to run a proxy server? |
| 18:04.48 | spheard | undesktop run a proxy server |
| 18:05.28 | tarzeau | undesktop: are you in switzerland? |
| 18:05.40 | undesktop | tarzeau: no |
| 18:05.50 | undesktop | tarzeau: but south germany |
| 18:05.54 | tarzeau | i see |
| 18:06.12 | undesktop | spheard: sorry, no idea then |
| 18:06.19 | spheard | :-( |
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| 18:06.42 | rotacioskapa | cs |
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| 18:07.40 | konrad_ | Hai gaiz, a lot of audio applications are crashing when I load them (amaroK, mplayer, xmms), but some are not (totem, kaffeine). What could be wrong? |
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| 18:08.28 | konrad_ | gaiz? |
| 18:08.36 | krazykit | any error messages when you run them from a term, konrad_ ? |
| 18:08.54 | konrad_ | krazykit: segmentation fault :( |
| 18:08.58 | Nemes | May I ask how I could change the GNOME language for a second user? I would like to install Spanish as the language for another user login desktop. |
| 18:09.32 | krazykit | konrad_, etch? |
| 18:09.48 | konrad_ | krazykit: I'm not sure... |
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| 18:10.09 | rotacioskapa | van itt magyar / any Hungaryan?^^ |
| 18:10.30 | krazykit | konrad_, ... check /etc/debian_version |
| 18:10.31 | xand | !hu |
| 18:10.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
| 18:10.56 | konrad_ | krazykit: lenny/sid |
| 18:11.23 | rotacioskapa | thx xand:) |
| 18:11.24 | krazykit | konrad_, eh, i should've said check /etc/apt/sources.list to see if you're using testing or unstable |
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| 18:11.48 | konrad_ | krazykit: oh, I'm using the unstable |
| 18:11.50 | solemnwarning | Will require() load the same file twice? |
| 18:12.59 | xand | solemnwarning: did you want #php or something? c.c |
| 18:13.02 | krazykit | konrad_, check the bts to see if there are any related bugs |
| 18:13.10 | solemnwarning | xand: ? |
| 18:13.15 | solemnwarning | Oh dammit |
| 18:13.17 | solemnwarning | >.< |
| 18:13.35 | konrad_ | krazykit: bts? |
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| 18:14.21 | stoned | yo |
| 18:14.25 | stoned | sup |
| 18:14.32 | techbie | !bts |
| 18:14.33 | dpkg | bts is probably the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 18:14.59 | stoned | white meat sesameaechicn |
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| 18:19.29 | minerale | how do I change the frequency of updatedb ? --- I know I've disabled it a while ago and wish to re enable it |
| 18:21.15 | zrin | boot process hangs after "Running /scripts/init-bottom... 7 Done. / INIT: version 2.86 booting" ... possibly caused by grub (?) checked root FS -> OK, made a copy of root fs (tar)->OK ... where shall I start debugging this? |
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| 18:22.44 | zrin | the last I did while it was running was to try to install grub on a usb device; tries several times until I got that grub sees /dev/sdh as hd0 at boot time ... |
| 18:23.12 | jetscreamer | they're all hdx to grub |
| 18:23.25 | Azar | hey I wasn't crazy! mozilla-firefox security notification: This will be the last security update of Mozilla-based products for the oldstable (sarge) distribution of Debian." << NOT FAIR! |
| 18:23.44 | jetscreamer | you can always fix it yourself... |
| 18:23.54 | zrin | jetscreamer: could it be that grub damaged my root on LVM on crypt-luks on raid6? |
| 18:24.23 | jetscreamer | no idea, you say crypt or lvm and i say 'huh?' |
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| 18:25.12 | Azar | The unstable distribution (sid) no longer contains mozilla-firefox |
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| 18:25.14 | zrin | jetscreamer: I'm booting now from the original /boot. It mounts the root volume and then hangs. the last line reads "INIT: version 2.86 booting" |
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| 18:28.12 | zrin | it seems that /sbin/init hangs |
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| 18:28.22 | E-bola | Whats the recomended way to enable packet forwarding in debian? |
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| 18:28.56 | Edgy_Eft | hat jemand eine anleitung zur installation für einen avm Fritz wlan usb Stick? |
| 18:28.58 | zrin | E-bola: edit /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 18:29.05 | Edgy_Eft | ich bekomme den treiber nicht installiert |
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| 18:30.13 | \amethyst | eye69: V5> |
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| 18:30.15 | \amethyst | doh |
| 18:30.17 | xand | !de |
| 18:30.17 | dpkg | de is, like, deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 18:30.43 | E-bola | zrin: this line doesnt apear to work: net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding=1 |
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| 18:31.06 | zrin | E-bola: net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 18:31.08 | E-bola | thats what i uncommented in /etc/sysctl.conf but /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward is still 0 |
| 18:31.24 | E-bola | zrin: whats the line i pasted then? |
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| 18:31.50 | zrin | E-bola: different one :) |
| 18:31.59 | E-bola | do you know what its for? |
| 18:32.05 | E-bola | Im trying to make my LVS cluster work |
| 18:32.20 | zrin | E-bola: sounds like default for new (?) interfaces |
| 18:32.20 | E-bola | but the load balancer director can only send packets to the LOCAL real server |
| 18:32.41 | E-bola | And there is nowhere to go with questions about LVS it seems :( |
| 18:32.50 | zrin | E-bola: add "net.ipv4.ip_forward=1", then sysctl -A |
| 18:33.01 | zrin | E-bola: LVS=? |
| 18:33.12 | E-bola | linux virtual server |
| 18:33.33 | \amethyst | E-bola: you just changed the file without rebooting, right? |
| 18:33.50 | zrin | E-bola: no need to reboot, use sysctl |
| 18:33.56 | E-bola | amethyst: i first edited the file and then ran sysctl -p |
| 18:34.02 | E-bola | no change so i rebooted |
| 18:34.04 | \amethyst | E-bola: yeah |
| 18:34.05 | \amethyst | E-bola: hm |
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| 18:34.07 | E-bola | but i guess i was using the wrong parameter |
| 18:34.25 | \amethyst | -p should work |
| 18:34.52 | E-bola | ya it works now |
| 18:35.00 | E-bola | it doesnt apear to solve my problem though :( |
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| 18:36.06 | elvedin | Is there any way to reboot a system and have grub boot a different kernel automatically if the one it's booting into doesn't work? |
| 18:36.40 | xand | doubt it |
| 18:36.48 | elvedin | Well, that would be a nice feature |
| 18:37.29 | E-bola | woudl be nice indeed |
| 18:37.31 | elvedin | Like the Windows "Use Last Good Known Configuration" boot option |
| 18:38.00 | xingu | elvedin: yes, "fallback" and "savedefault" grub opts. |
| 18:38.02 | \amethyst | elvedin: /usr/share/doc/grub-doc/html/grub_4.html#SEC27 |
| 18:38.32 | elvedin | I'll read up then |
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| 18:38.57 | beavel | anyone help with flex? |
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| 18:40.10 | \amethyst | beavel: the lexer generator? |
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| 18:41.48 | jlc | !tell jlc ntpdate |
| 18:42.26 | jlc | <dpkg> No, jlc, I won't. (target invalid?) |
| 18:42.31 | jlc | thanks dpkg you rock |
| 18:42.57 | \amethyst | you want compatible off |
| 18:42.59 | \amethyst | gah |
| 18:43.04 | \amethyst | keep typing in wrong channel |
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| 18:44.31 | xingu | jlc: ntpdate is obsolete, just use ntp -gq |
| 18:44.36 | xingu | err, ntpd |
| 18:44.44 | Daffy | any idea about what could cause phpmyadmin to use "www-data" as user to login whatever i ask him? |
| 18:44.45 | jlc | oh |
| 18:44.57 | jlc | it doesn't startup automatically after install, what do I need to make it start up |
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| 18:46.03 | xingu | jlc: etc/default/ntp and /etc/ntp.conf, probably. |
| 18:46.44 | jlc | hurm, |
| 18:47.05 | jlc | i look at them again when it comes backup |
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| 18:47.39 | \amethyst | jlc: ntpdate is now supposed to run when the network interfaces change, see /etc/network/if-up.d/ntpdate |
| 18:48.25 | jlc | what if you wireless and using networkmanager? |
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| 18:50.02 | epsilon | check if the timeserver is answering - the dbian package try to contact debian's ntp servers, I had trouble reaching them |
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| 18:50.37 | epsilon | so I wrote a script checking localized ntp.org server with some extras running via cronjob |
| 18:50.51 | \amethyst | why not use ntpd? |
| 18:50.57 | nayyares | our company has about 800 clients, we are looking to update some of the packages time to time, is there any tool available that can search clients with older version of especific packages and update them from local mirror? |
| 18:51.26 | epsilon | \amethyst: haven't looked at it yet - I started using ntp ages ago and stayed with it |
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| 18:51.32 | tarzeau | nayyares: yes |
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| 18:51.46 | \amethyst | epsilon: I thought you were talking about ntpdate |
| 18:51.52 | epsilon | yes |
| 18:52.14 | tarzeau | nayyares: you just put up your own repository, i've got a little documentation about it here: http://wiki.debian.org/Enterprise#head-bb380fa5a8376438e235ff053c0ad5e71541d0ed |
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| 18:54.41 | nayyares | tarzeau, i want it automatically, i d'nt want to login on each client, while i want to run it as cron job ! |
| 18:55.37 | tarzeau | nayyares: yes you want something like dphys-admin |
| 18:55.52 | tarzeau | nayyares: http://nic.phys.ethz.ch/projects/dphys-admin/ |
| 18:55.59 | tarzeau | there's similar oneliners for cron |
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| 19:03.01 | tarzeau | has anyone seen Dogtown_and_the_Z-boys ? |
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| 19:04.31 | DevilChaos | hi folks i could do with getting pointed in the right direction about making a usb flsh drive bootable please? |
| 19:04.53 | DevilChaos | is there a programme i can use from debian? |
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| 19:05.16 | mrsno | DevilChaos try pendrivelinux.com , they have a guide there how to create a bootable usb drive from a livecd iso |
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| 19:05.39 | DevilChaos | mrsno: thank you much appreciated |
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| 19:05.44 | mrsno | np |
| 19:05.58 | mrsno | also the debian wiki has info on usb boot |
| 19:06.11 | DevilChaos | okey doke |
| 19:06.17 | DevilChaos | :o) |
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| 19:08.29 | student_modnar | could someone if Windows 2K Sp2 is expected to crash if you add linux partitions on a disk beyond the 137 GB NTFS partition? |
| 19:08.55 | xingu | epsilon: take a look into ntpdc some time; you can remotely administer ntpd... |
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| 19:11.28 | zrin | I think grub just messed up my server while trying to make a usb thing bootable |
| 19:12.02 | esaym | xserver-xorg-core 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-6 -> 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-11 resulted in X crash when a 3d app is started. Do xserver updates require the nvidia driver to be reinstall/recompiled? |
| 19:12.22 | \amethyst | esaym: sometimes they do |
| 19:12.25 | esaym | hmm |
| 19:12.38 | \amethyst | rather, they require newer versions of the nvidia driver |
| 19:12.44 | esaym | Well I hope that is my problem :-/ |
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| 19:13.08 | isleshocky77 | Hello room. |
| 19:13.31 | isleshocky77 | If i have a command that produces a list, say ls, and I only want the last line of that, what's the best way to do this? |
| 19:13.43 | xingu | isleshocky77: | tail -1 |
| 19:13.46 | ricky | isleshocky77: pipe it to tail -1 |
| 19:13.46 | \amethyst | esaym: I don't know about that particular version, I haven't updated X in a while |
| 19:13.49 | isleshocky77 | l |
| 19:13.50 | isleshocky77 | k |
| 19:14.05 | isleshocky77 | makes sense, I was trying to do tail -n 1 `ls` |
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| 19:14.55 | \amethyst | isleshocky77: that would give the last line of each file |
| 19:15.12 | Azar | anyone happens to know if http://debaday.debian.net is a Debian site? |
| 19:15.14 | esaym | The xorg log has this: (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
| 19:15.19 | Azar | because they are BROKEN |
| 19:15.21 | esaym | I don't use, aiglx |
| 19:15.47 | isleshocky77 | \amethyst and ricky: Thanks for the help |
| 19:15.49 | xand | Azar: well it appears to be |
| 19:16.01 | undesktop | "* The update-modules command is deprecated and should not be used!" |
| 19:16.29 | Azar | xand: how can I contact them and smack them? http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fdebaday.debian.net%2F |
| 19:16.29 | undesktop | when it installs lm-sensors |
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| 19:16.35 | Azar | because I spent one day checking my X, my Firefox.... just to find this |
| 19:16.54 | esaym | oh wait, looks like I might have to reinstall the nvidia driver, let me try that... |
| 19:17.02 | isleshocky77 | in bash scripts, is there a way to not have it put a new line at the end of an echo? |
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| 19:17.36 | xand | Azar: email webmaster@debian.net? |
| 19:18.11 | ricky | I don't think webmaster@debian.net would be directly involved. |
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| 19:18.33 | xand | postmaster then... |
| 19:18.50 | ricky | No, as in try some of the people in the footer. |
| 19:18.57 | \amethyst | Azar: perhaps http://debaday.debian.net/contribute/ |
| 19:19.09 | xand | ricky: they don't like related to the site. |
| 19:19.41 | xand | s/like/look/ |
| 19:19.51 | jimdigriz | isleshocky77: '-e' will do it |
| 19:19.55 | isleshocky77 | k |
| 19:20.09 | \amethyst | Azar: the problem appears to be in the articles, not the template |
| 19:20.20 | isleshocky77 | jimdigriz: Thanks. |
| 19:21.12 | \amethyst | Azar: So probably one of the submitters didn't realize that it was XHTML-framed and wrote HTML 4 instead |
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| 19:22.00 | blindfish | hi |
| 19:22.02 | isleshocky77 | so I now have it printing the last line of an ls, but it includes a / at the end of the directories. I tried ${ls/\/} to remove the slash, but that didn't work. Any suggestions? |
| 19:22.52 | ricky | isleshocky77: /bin/ls | tail -1 |
| 19:23.22 | isleshocky77 | ricky: I'm not really doing an ls, but I got that part. it's just a matter of moving the trailing slash from a string now. |
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| 19:24.03 | ricky | isleshocky77: No, as in the /bin/ls will probably get rid of the trailing slash. Plain ls is probably aliased to ls -F or something. |
| 19:24.15 | isleshocky77 | I actually have echo -e "The last version was:" echo {svn ls file:///home/vhosts/blah/svn/tags | tail -q /\/ /} |
| 19:24.45 | isleshocky77 | ricky: -q = -1 |
| 19:26.15 | ricky | isleshocky77: svn ls | tail -1 | sed -e 's@/$@@' |
| 19:26.50 | Joris_ | a little riddle for the network gurus... my machine stopped responding to routed ip packets when messing with bridging. Now the bridges are deconstructed and the machine rebooted. The packets arrive on the machine. It's also a KVM host, and a guest (bridged on the same lan over another nic) still responds to routed packets... Any hints? |
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| 19:28.11 | isleshocky77 | ricky: Very cool, thank you. |
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| 19:29.06 | Azar | \amethyst: I wrote to honorable Lucas Nussbaum... |
| 19:29.28 | en1gma | i did it :) ati prop driver is installed FINALLY! |
| 19:29.37 | Azar | \amethyst: funny thing, is they have the validator link posted right on the page! |
| 19:30.17 | MangosDebian | Joris_: forwarding disabled? |
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| 19:31.09 | en1gma | how do i hide joins/parts in xchat? konv isnt working in sid |
| 19:31.24 | Joris_ | MangosDebian: no, my icmp echo requests arrive on the host just fine |
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| 19:31.40 | Joris_ | MangosDebian: ie I see them using tcpdump |
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| 19:32.09 | BUMBACL0T | [15:31] <BUMBACL0T> is there a linux version of "cpu-z"? |
| 19:32.09 | BUMBACL0T | [15:31] <BUMBACL0T> something that'll tell me what motherboard, socket, etc i have? |
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| 19:32.29 | Azar | the HTML validator is Broken (webmasters): http://www.webmasterworld.com/html/3396306.htm |
| 19:32.39 | MangosDebian | Joris_: that doesnt really answer the question. What if the icmp's are from the host itself and you dont know any better to recognize it? ie: you could be wrong |
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| 19:33.06 | MangosDebian | Joris_: sysctl -a | less, /forward |
| 19:33.18 | sandman | To have qemu used kqemu in Debian Etch, must one use module-assistant to build kqemu? |
| 19:33.35 | Joris_ | MangosDebian: err. forwarding is disabled on the target host |
| 19:33.39 | MangosDebian | Joris_: if not then my suggestion doesnt apply |
| 19:33.55 | MangosDebian | Joris_: try enable it |
| 19:34.01 | Joris_ | MangosDebian: I'm in a controlled lan btw, just my machines |
| 19:34.20 | level1__ | does anyone know of a way I can detect, perhaps with bash, whether an unmounted swap partition has a hibernated state in it? |
| 19:34.29 | en1gma | im so happy that i have 3d accell working |
| 19:34.30 | MangosDebian | Joris_: doesnt matter to me either way. just curious if thats the cause thats all |
| 19:34.45 | Joris_ | MangosDebian: forwarding is on, still no replies :( |
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| 19:35.02 | MangosDebian | Joris_: on both interfaces? |
| 19:35.07 | xingu | isleshocky77: you can remove the tail -1 from that; .... | sed -e '$ ! d; s@/$@@' |
| 19:35.19 | Joris_ | MangosDebian: no, just in general |
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| 19:35.35 | en1gma | no beryl in sid repo? |
| 19:35.36 | isleshocky77 | xingu: Thanks. |
| 19:35.46 | MangosDebian | Joris_: i dont mean the "all" and "default", i mean the specific interface(s) involved |
| 19:35.47 | level1__ | I want to write a script that will automount swap *only* if there isn't a hibernated state on the partition |
| 19:35.52 | Joris_ | MangosDebian: now it's on |
| 19:36.05 | Joris_ | on all, default and all the interfaces execpt lo |
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| 19:36.37 | MangosDebian | Joris_: ? why not lo |
| 19:36.50 | MangosDebian | Joris_: then tests from lo wont go anywhere no? |
| 19:37.05 | xingu | isleshocky77: or ... | sed -ne '$ { s@/$@@; p }' |
| 19:37.11 | xingu | isleshocky77: might save you some memory bandwidth. :) |
| 19:37.12 | Joris_ | MangosDebian: err, just didn't consider lo... it's on now, still nothing |
| 19:37.20 | jimdigriz | joris: guess I should whisper 'rp_filter = 0', not played with KVM but it is possible |
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| 19:37.38 | MangosDebian | Joris_: so all forwarding on and nothing? firewall on/off? |
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| 19:37.56 | en1gma | where do we get beryl from if its not in the debian sid repo |
| 19:37.57 | isleshocky77 | xingu: Thanks. It's not going to be used very often, it's just a script to tag the latest trunk, switch the live copy and update |
| 19:38.12 | Joris_ | MangosDebian: both iptables and ebtables are empty and on ACCEPT |
| 19:38.29 | jimdigriz | joris: ignore that |
| 19:38.36 | MangosDebian | Joris_: and no packets whatso ever route through that box? |
| 19:38.43 | Joris_ | MangosDebian: I've got it! |
| 19:38.51 | MangosDebian | gratz |
| 19:39.08 | MangosDebian | save us both time :) |
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| 19:39.33 | Joris_ | don't know what I f*d with KVM, but after rebooting ... I had a large submask ... really really large |
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| 19:39.42 | xingu | isleshocky77: heh; you say that now, and in a decade and a half you'll come back to it (or someone else will) wondering why every time some tertiary process kicks off your server performance bollocks |
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| 19:40.02 | MangosDebian | Joris_: like /1? :) |
| 19:40.06 | isleshocky77 | lol |
| 19:40.06 | Joris_ | MangosDebian, jimdigriz thanks for your help |
| 19:40.13 | MangosDebian | k |
| 19:40.29 | jimdigriz | joris: it was rpf? |
| 19:40.54 | Joris_ | MangosDebian: something like that.. I use /27's on my lan and must have put a /24 in somewhere... |
| 19:41.04 | Joris_ | jimdigriz: no, subnet was way too large on the host |
| 19:41.31 | xingu | isleshocky77: the point about that last variant is that it only matches on the last line, and only produces output after processing it |
| 19:41.37 | MangosDebian | Joris_: well, at least you figured it out before we ended up reconfiguring your whole box. might wanna reboot fresh and test though |
| 19:41.40 | Joris_ | and obviously you don't see unanswered arp requests when you filter for icmp in tcpdump... that will teach me :) |
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| 19:42.04 | xingu | isleshocky77: the | tail | sed variant adds the cost of two exec's and the cost of two pipes |
| 19:42.09 | MangosDebian | Joris_: arp_filter change that no? |
| 19:42.21 | isleshocky77 | xingu: Oh, I see. cool. Well thank you for the help. |
| 19:42.27 | isleshocky77 | Anyone else need a taggin script? |
| 19:42.34 | isleshocky77 | It works now :-D |
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| 19:42.42 | MangosDebian | xingu: still at it huh? :) |
| 19:42.44 | en1gma | whats the name of the firefox java plugin |
| 19:42.54 | en1gma | is it avail for amd64? |
| 19:42.58 | Joris_ | MangosDebian: no, just the view filter in tcpdump |
| 19:43.06 | xingu | MangosDebian: :) wringing the last drop from inner loops, that's me all over. :) |
| 19:43.59 | MangosDebian | Joris_: do a reboot and try a tcpdump again. curious if it still ok after you exit tcpdump if you can |
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| 19:44.20 | grendal_prime | i got this thinkpad |
| 19:44.25 | MangosDebian | xingu: runnin on empty myself |
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| 19:45.17 | grendal_prime | i cant get it to see the cdrom when it boots..its an ide but its part of the docking station..anyone ever run into this ( i cant get it to see the cdrom so i cant install linux on it) |
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| 19:48.38 | MangosDebian | whats the diff between the sdl and glx? |
| 19:49.05 | MangosDebian | !sdl |
| 19:49.05 | dpkg | i heard sdl is the Simple DirectMedia Layer at http://libsdl.org/, or see esd-sdl, or #sdl |
| 19:49.07 | xingu | well, I'm starting to suspect that SDL isn't accelerated |
| 19:49.25 | MangosDebian | i always thought it was software gl myself |
| 19:49.41 | MangosDebian | but might just be fancy api. i wouldnt know |
| 19:50.13 | krazykit | it's a fancy api |
| 19:50.21 | MangosDebian | ty |
| 19:50.37 | isleshocky77 | xingu: What do you think? http://hashbin.com/2aff.html |
| 19:50.37 | MangosDebian | remember looking at it like 4 or 5 years ago for something |
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| 19:50.59 | MangosDebian | krazykit: its hardware accellerated then I assume? |
| 19:51.34 | krazykit | if possible, yes |
| 19:51.40 | krazykit | it doesn't NEED to be, though |
| 19:51.40 | MangosDebian | k |
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| 19:51.50 | MangosDebian | just like mesa then |
| 19:52.06 | MangosDebian | or was messa the software only gl and glx the hw gl? |
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| 19:52.29 | xingu | isleshocky77: yeah seems fair; no exception handling though |
| 19:52.49 | isleshocky77 | meh, like I said.. it's not getting used that much and just by me. |
| 19:53.06 | xingu | krazykit: this SDL demo code, SDLgears, is running like total crap here iff I expand the window - any clues? |
| 19:53.09 | isleshocky77 | I was just thinking I have no way of cancelling, but ctrl-c will do.\ |
| 19:53.27 | xingu | krazykit: it's fine until I do so; once I do, hoo boy; chunky, slow, and triggered an Xid to boot. |
| 19:53.51 | xingu | krazykit: x display server shot up to 100% cpu too |
| 19:53.51 | en1gma | i installed wine then a windows app called pokerstars but i do not see a menu entry for wine or the game |
| 19:53.55 | en1gma | where does it put it |
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| 19:55.31 | krazykit | xingu, then it's using sdl's 3d api :P. it's supposed to be accelerated if possible, fallback on software glx if not |
| 19:55.55 | MangosDebian | xingu: there an sdlinfo? |
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| 19:57.06 | xingu | krazykit: hmm, just noticed that /etc/X11/XvMCConfig seems to be pointing at a SW version of that, too. |
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| 20:07.59 | tarzeau | debian rocks because of http://you.istheshit.net/ |
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| 20:08.54 | jimdigriz | tarzeau: you are stating this on a pro-debian channel...called #debian |
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| 20:10.06 | jimdigriz | as for the site, eh? |
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| 20:13.55 | en1gma | how do i refresh fstab so it will read my permissions i just set |
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| 20:14.27 | nitro4ce | how do i delete a gcc profile? |
| 20:14.31 | tarzeau | en1gma: mount -a ? |
| 20:14.59 | MangosDebian | mount -o remount |
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| 20:15.28 | en1gma | mount -o remount gave me a error |
| 20:15.38 | JeremyK | an error eh? |
| 20:15.51 | en1gma | well that and it listed alot of other options |
| 20:15.53 | JeremyK | shall we start guessing what that error might be? or do you want to tell us. |
| 20:16.03 | g0th | hi |
| 20:16.09 | en1gma | mount: invalid option -- 0 |
| 20:16.30 | JeremyK | ok, check your fstab, you have an invalid option./ |
| 20:16.33 | Azar | is raining with security upgrades! |
| 20:16.37 | g0th | in Aptitude, how do I "limit" to display all installed packages that don't belong to a repository anymore? |
| 20:16.42 | MangosDebian | en1gma: well put in the mount point silly |
| 20:16.42 | en1gma | oh ok |
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| 20:16.49 | en1gma | oh |
| 20:17.06 | g0th | the download size in those cases is <N/A> |
| 20:17.15 | en1gma | i just gonna reboot |
| 20:17.17 | en1gma | brb |
| 20:17.24 | g0th | and the dist is "" instead of "unstable" or "experimental" |
| 20:17.40 | MangosDebian | sounds like windows |
| 20:17.46 | g0th | I miss a lot of updates because of such packages |
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| 20:20.30 | \amethyst | g0th: aptitude search '!~A.*!~v' |
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| 20:21.17 | jetscreamer | cr |
| 20:21.24 | jetscreamer | titude |
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| 20:21.31 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 20:21.44 | MangosDebian | \amethyst: i thouht aptitude supposed to be easier :) |
| 20:22.02 | jetscreamer | dselect is your god |
| 20:22.27 | jetscreamer | @dselect is your god |
| 20:22.32 | MangosDebian | dselect can suck me left ... |
| 20:22.38 | Azar | MangosDebian: there is a lot of tips and helps and howtos in the aptitude's README, problem is, people don't want to waste half hour reading... |
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| 20:22.49 | jetscreamer | heh i thought you were the bot for a second... that would have been cool |
| 20:23.12 | MangosDebian | Azar: I swear you defend it like your a shareholder :p |
| 20:23.13 | Azar | you go on README and go like: omg how cool! |
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| 20:23.28 | b52laptop | is there a method to make a backup of the current debian that i'm running now , and compile it like an iso image , and deploy on another machine over the net ? |
| 20:23.29 | Azar | MangosDebian: because I read the documentation, and I know is cool |
| 20:23.46 | Azar | it even gives you a minesweeper game! |
| 20:23.47 | jetscreamer | dselect does rock though... if the package listing was a collapisble tree nobody would complain |
| 20:23.54 | jetscreamer | sable |
| 20:24.00 | jetscreamer | see |
| 20:24.01 | MangosDebian | Azar: what, you got alarm bells ring every time someone says something negative about aptitude in the channel? |
| 20:24.09 | jetscreamer | zomg i can't type |
| 20:24.13 | jetscreamer | collapsible |
| 20:24.22 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 20:24.24 | Azar | MangosDebian: yes |
| 20:24.32 | Azar | jetscreamer: beer times? |
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| 20:24.42 | jetscreamer | i don't drink :/ |
| 20:24.44 | jetscreamer | anymore |
| 20:24.45 | MangosDebian | Azar: minesweeper?! c'mon lol. thats supposed to make me take a system util serious? :) |
| 20:24.49 | Azar | I dew |
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| 20:25.12 | Azar | hello honorable streuner |
| 20:25.30 | streuner | hi |
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| 20:25.50 | Azar | anyways, I am glad I did not need to debug firefox.... the bug was discovered |
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| 20:26.04 | MangosDebian | Azar: did you fix it? |
| 20:26.30 | Azar | MangosDebian: is the webmasters at debaday.debian.net who implemented the xhtml kiss of death |
| 20:26.40 | Azar | they have to fix their code |
| 20:26.42 | jetscreamer | b52laptop: i do that from a livecd, and you could dd it, or just cp -a.. burn something or other method, then go to town on the other box |
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| 20:27.04 | MangosDebian | Azar: ah. what was it doing? crashing browser? |
| 20:27.18 | b52laptop | jetscreamer, hm ok |
| 20:27.20 | Azar | MangosDebian: yes it is conflicting with html |
| 20:27.21 | Gertrude | I just installed etch, and am trying to untar a backup that is 22 gigs. Do I need to enable large file support? I try tar -xvf filename.tar and it just drops to the prompt. No errors. |
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| 20:27.38 | jetscreamer | try it w/o the - |
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| 20:27.48 | aep | greetings |
| 20:27.48 | MangosDebian | Gertrude: maybe you got a real fast machine |
| 20:27.50 | jetscreamer | - didn't work for me once a long time ago |
| 20:28.07 | Azar | MangosDebian: if you go to the site, see on the left column a W3C testing link, click on it and it will clearly tell you the xhtml code on that site is NOT compliant |
| 20:28.10 | Gertrude | no leaving out he - does the same thing |
| 20:28.11 | aep | server here with debian etch. where the heck is the sourceslist.conf ? |
| 20:28.21 | aep | it's not in /etc/apt anymore |
| 20:28.36 | MangosDebian | Azar: lol. just put up the logo for pretty picture I guess |
| 20:28.50 | Azar | aep: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:28.51 | Gertrude | Im wondering if the tar got corrupted |
| 20:28.57 | aep | Azar: not there |
| 20:29.04 | MangosDebian | Gertrude: i doubt it |
| 20:29.08 | BUMBACL0T | why is this museum using the debian logo: http://cptl.org.nyud.net:8080/debian_radius/sign.jpg |
| 20:29.09 | Azar | aep: NOT sourcelist.conf |
| 20:29.09 | BUMBACL0T | ? |
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| 20:29.21 | BUMBACL0T | http://cptl.org.nyud.net:8080/debian_radius/ |
| 20:29.32 | MangosDebian | Gertrude: what does tar -tvf filename do? |
| 20:29.42 | Gertrude | nothing |
| 20:29.44 | aep | Azar: sources.list is not there |
| 20:29.51 | MangosDebian | Gertrude: tar --help? |
| 20:29.58 | Azar | aep: but you got /etc/apt? |
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| 20:30.08 | aep | yes |
| 20:30.08 | towski | is there a way to get top to display the full command line? |
| 20:30.20 | MangosDebian | Gertrude: file filename.tar? file `which tar`? |
| 20:30.26 | Gertrude | that works |
| 20:30.36 | Azar | aep: ok you can create a file named sources.list on /etc/apt. Then I can give you sources to put in, save it and voila |
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| 20:30.39 | Azar | ok? |
| 20:30.52 | aep | yeah worked |
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| 20:30.55 | Azar | aep: you using vim editor? |
| 20:31.02 | aep | actualy not but debnian forces me to |
| 20:31.14 | Azar | well don't matter, you can use pico if you want to.. |
| 20:31.19 | blakkino | there is somethings to modprobe to execute a 32bit static binary on x86_64? |
| 20:31.19 | Gertrude | file - data / /bin/tar |
| 20:31.19 | aep | since without sources.list no packages but without packages only vim |
| 20:31.20 | Azar | have pico? or nano? |
| 20:31.33 | aep | of course not... this is debian |
| 20:31.39 | solitude| | whats wrong with vim? |
| 20:31.41 | Azar | aep: ok you know how to edit, save, and close? |
| 20:31.48 | aep | lots of stuff one doesn't need but no nano |
| 20:31.51 | solitude| | press I to edit |
| 20:31.53 | aep | yes thank you |
| 20:31.53 | MangosDebian | Gertrude: file says the tar is "data" only? |
| 20:31.56 | solitude| | ah |
| 20:31.56 | aep | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.57 | Gertrude | yea |
| 20:31.59 | solitude| | yeah |
| 20:32.04 | solitude| | vim is far better than nano |
| 20:32.06 | Azar | aep: ok look at ME not at solitude| he is a joker ok? |
| 20:32.12 | solitude| | ? |
| 20:32.15 | solitude| | Lies |
| 20:32.17 | aep | heh |
| 20:32.21 | solitude| | Press i for inseer mode |
| 20:32.29 | solitude| | insert& |
| 20:32.34 | Azar | aep: I am going to give you the sources to put in sources.list, save it and try it |
| 20:32.36 | solitude| | Esc to go back to viewing mode |
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| 20:32.38 | MangosDebian | Gertrude: it should say: POSIX tar archive |
| 20:32.48 | solitude| | :q! ro quit without saving and :wq to save and quit |
| 20:32.55 | Azar | aep: hold on to put them in a paster |
| 20:32.57 | MangosDebian | or similar obviously depending on how you made it |
| 20:33.20 | xand | MangosDebian: are you new, or have you changed nick? |
| 20:33.30 | MangosDebian | Gertrude: did you copy it from somewhere? |
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| 20:33.46 | MangosDebian | xand: stop playing dumb :p |
| 20:33.52 | aep | Azar: copyed some from google |
| 20:33.52 | xand | MangosDebian: I'm not :( |
| 20:33.54 | aep | worked |
| 20:33.57 | aep | thank you |
| 20:34.01 | Gertrude | Yea, first from freebsd - windows - then to this computer |
| 20:34.06 | Gertrude | using scp |
| 20:34.07 | aep | hah |
| 20:34.08 | aep | "W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems" when running apt-get update. ...... |
| 20:34.09 | MangosDebian | xand: shurrre :) |
| 20:34.15 | xand | MangosDebian: tell me :'( |
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| 20:34.27 | MangosDebian | xand: lol. sooner keep ya in suspence |
| 20:34.39 | xand | bully :'( |
| 20:34.42 | MangosDebian | Gertrude: and your sure it didnt get altered? |
| 20:34.44 | MangosDebian | heh |
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| 20:35.18 | MangosDebian | Gertrude: got any md5 of it? |
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| 20:35.20 | Gertrude | No, I tared it last night, then copied the files last night |
| 20:35.24 | Azar | aep here there are: http://paste.debian.net/33215 |
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| 20:35.33 | aep | thank you |
| 20:35.53 | Azar | aep: after you save/quit :wq it, run aptitude update and aptitude upgrade |
| 20:36.01 | aep | hm can one deinstall all the garbage at once? |
| 20:36.10 | aep | all that "default" stuff |
| 20:36.11 | Gertrude | no md5, I guess I could get one. However I dont have the original tar fromt he freebsd machine. I do still have it on a windows one |
| 20:36.13 | aep | since i need nothing |
| 20:36.16 | MangosDebian | Gertrude: for all I know tar and file on debian have issues. but i dont know for sure unless I made a 20gig tarball. or at least 8+ |
| 20:36.24 | Azar | aep: what you talking about? |
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| 20:37.08 | aep | Azar: well this "default installation" my hoster brings has alots of apckages pre installed |
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| 20:37.12 | aep | but i don't want any |
| 20:37.19 | Azar | aep: I have no idea what crap solitude| told you, he is on my ignore, and I only know what I recommended you |
| 20:37.20 | aep | just wanta bare system |
| 20:37.29 | aep | he didn't say anything |
| 20:37.30 | MangosDebian | Gertrude: i assume you dont have the copies on win and freebsd either stil |
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| 20:37.48 | Azar | aep: packages that have dependent packages that depend on other packages: remove one and you are screwed |
| 20:37.55 | aep | sucks |
| 20:38.00 | Azar | :) |
| 20:38.05 | aep | so i am stuck with all the bloat? |
| 20:38.11 | Gertrude | NO I have the one on windows |
| 20:38.12 | aep | apache, exim, etc... |
| 20:38.14 | Gertrude | not freebsd |
| 20:38.16 | aep | :< |
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| 20:38.25 | Gertrude | Im getting a md5 now in windows |
| 20:38.26 | Azar | aep: if you installed with server option, ofcourse it needs lots of crap |
| 20:38.31 | edistar | aep: why don't you just apt-get remove --purge it? ;) |
| 20:38.39 | MangosDebian | Gertrude: go figure. gl with md5 that handle a file that big in windows though |
| 20:38.44 | edistar | aep: the big things are not so plentiful.. |
| 20:38.46 | Azar | edistar: so waht you recommend be removed? |
| 20:38.49 | aep | edistar: becouse it's a lot of packages |
| 20:39.00 | simonrvn | doesn't need it, just has a lot of extraneous stuff in the task. better to do it manually via aptitude |
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| 20:39.02 | MangosDebian | Gertrude: god knows i found issues with lot of the free ones |
| 20:39.07 | Azar | why don't remove Debian and there: nice and clean |
| 20:39.12 | simonrvn | Azar, aep: ^^^ |
| 20:39.14 | jetscreamer | no you're not stuck with the bloat |
| 20:39.38 | Gertrude | If I cant get a md5 on windows, maybe ill try to just untar it there |
| 20:39.38 | aep | fine. guess purge is what i want. thanks |
| 20:39.42 | simonrvn | then you install only what you want. tasksel is for total newbies |
| 20:39.49 | Azar | aep: you want a server that does not have apache , simonrvn does it work like that? |
| 20:39.54 | maelvino | sup |
| 20:40.03 | jetscreamer | aep: yeah tasksel sucks ass, i take all the checkmarks off |
| 20:40.09 | simonrvn | same |
| 20:40.23 | aep | nah |
| 20:40.28 | aep | that's the default image of my hoster |
| 20:40.30 | jetscreamer | aep: there are also metapackages, which removing them doesn't hurt anything |
| 20:40.32 | MangosDebian | Gertrude: just ignoring something like that doesnt seem like a smart thing to do. better to know why and track it down until you find it |
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| 20:40.37 | Azar | he should have had install with tasksell C only as option in the first place |
| 20:40.41 | aep | jetscreamer: that's what i search |
| 20:40.52 | simonrvn | you don't have to do tasksel at all |
| 20:40.53 | xbaez | hi i have a question, i have in a HD a debian installed with reiserfs filesystem, but i want to install ubuntu in the same HD, how can i resize the reiserfs partition |
| 20:40.59 | simonrvn | have to use* |
| 20:41.00 | MangosDebian | Gertrude: i would hope that tar just has issue with it but i cant see it |
| 20:41.05 | aep | i didn't... anyway |
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| 20:41.10 | MangosDebian | Gertrude: also, try apt-get install star |
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| 20:41.21 | jetscreamer | i do all the steps in the installer because i don't like it to jump back to the one i didn't do :) |
| 20:41.26 | aep | Package apache is not installed, so not removed |
| 20:41.27 | aep | huh? |
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| 20:41.30 | Azar | aep: if you know what to remove, ok, go ahead and do : aptitude remove --purge <packagename> |
| 20:41.32 | aep | it's running! |
| 20:41.32 | MangosDebian | xand: hush noob! ;p |
| 20:41.35 | edistar | xbaez: gparted supports reisefs |
| 20:41.43 | jetscreamer | aep it's problably not called just apache |
| 20:41.43 | edistar | s/reisefs/reiserfs |
| 20:41.50 | jetscreamer | apache* try that :o |
| 20:42.05 | jetscreamer | might be overkill |
| 20:42.07 | simonrvn | apache2 |
| 20:42.18 | aep | aah wildcards. awesome |
| 20:42.19 | Daffy | i'm planning to make a webmail service, any suggestion about a good mail server? what is courrier actually? (guess it's more than just a mail server like exim) |
| 20:42.21 | MangosDebian | xand: sure didnt take much to catch your attn did it ;) |
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| 20:42.23 | jetscreamer | i rent my apache from pros |
| 20:42.25 | aep | makes apt much more barable |
| 20:42.40 | jetscreamer | regex out the wazoo |
| 20:42.42 | Azar | he will have to manually remove god knows how many packages sit all day doing that and in the end have system hiccups |
| 20:42.44 | aep | thanks a lot jetscreamer. |
| 20:42.48 | edistar | Daffy: postfix is a good mailserver |
| 20:42.50 | jetscreamer | aep: |
| 20:42.56 | karmatronic | Daffy: postfix+cyrus-imap+squirrelmail is easy to set up |
| 20:42.58 | simonrvn | aep: does regexp |
| 20:43.06 | jetscreamer | i seriously prefer the power of dselect to purge/remove full sections |
| 20:43.07 | edistar | Daffy: courier is an imap/pop3 service as far as I can remember.. |
| 20:43.09 | xand | MangosDebian: what? you're #3 btw |
| 20:43.11 | trombo_ | hi can you help me setting up an internal virtual qemu-lan? http://rafb.net/p/blBd4b38.html |
| 20:43.12 | maelvino | secret |
| 20:43.16 | aep | "dpkg - warning: while removing apache2.2-common, directory `/var/log/apache2' not empty so not removed." waaaa. ==> manual cleaning |
| 20:43.31 | aep | jetscreamer: oh interesting |
| 20:43.38 | MangosDebian | Gertrude: would be surprised though if file had issues with 4+ limits since the info it uses is the first few bytes |
| 20:43.44 | jetscreamer | just highlight the section/header and hit _ |
| 20:43.45 | Azar | aep: you gotta go in each directory and sit and remove one by one |
| 20:43.50 | Daffy | edistar, karmatronic> thanks, i'll take a look to postfix |
| 20:43.57 | MangosDebian | xand: i aint sleepin til I hit #2 :) |
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| 20:44.03 | simonrvn | you newbies are funny sometimes. that's one of the reasons why you rock. |
| 20:44.07 | jetscreamer | dselect needs a treeview |
| 20:44.15 | aep | jetscreamer: errm. how does it work? i selected "remove" but nothing happens |
| 20:44.16 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: you know it |
| 20:44.30 | Azar | :) hey simonrvn sometimes newbies give class to the elders |
| 20:44.32 | jetscreamer | aep: what? |
| 20:44.37 | edistar | Daffy: check the book of postfix if you don't mind buying a book, it's very good actually |
| 20:44.42 | aep | jetscreamer: dselect |
| 20:44.49 | MangosDebian | the old farts love us |
| 20:44.52 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 20:44.56 | Daffy | edistar: good advice, thanks |
| 20:44.59 | jetscreamer | you have to go in order |
| 20:45.03 | xand | MangosDebian: you're #1 on words and actions counts |
| 20:45.07 | aep | jetscreamer: um |
| 20:45.10 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 20:45.11 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until you exit... you may have to hit y or n somewhere. Also, if you've never run dselect, you may have to use option 0 and choose APT Acquisition. |
| 20:45.22 | jetscreamer | like that, but do the selection thing |
| 20:45.40 | edistar | Daffy: you're not german by any chance, are you? ;) |
| 20:45.45 | MangosDebian | xand: hmm, didnt think i had all that many actions lately. sure its not pulling in from another nick or something? |
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| 20:46.06 | spheard | !key |
| 20:46.06 | dpkg | from memory, key is Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive |
| 20:46.14 | xand | MangosDebian: what other nick? :P |
| 20:46.27 | aep | jetscreamer: you have to install packages to uninstall? i don't get it |
| 20:46.44 | MangosDebian | xand: and thats what your getting at? lol |
| 20:46.53 | jetscreamer | aep: the selection menu, option 3, or the third, or so, lets you select... install, or uninstall |
| 20:46.54 | aep | aaaarg |
| 20:46.57 | aep | this is horrible |
| 20:46.57 | MangosDebian | xand: don't deny it |
| 20:47.09 | Daffy | edistar: no sorry ^^, french |
| 20:47.14 | jetscreamer | / to search for individual packages |
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| 20:47.19 | aep | jetscreamer: ok i am in that tree thing now. |
| 20:47.26 | aep | i have no clue how it works |
| 20:47.41 | aep | this curses crap is horrible. can't i just use a nromal commandline :( |
| 20:47.43 | jetscreamer | aep: hit shift + i to make the list longer, remove the info pane |
| 20:47.54 | MangosDebian | xand: or you think I forget how pisg works? :) |
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| 20:48.05 | Azar | jetscreamer: mc? |
| 20:48.14 | MangosDebian | !debstats |
| 20:48.14 | dpkg | hmm... debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 20:48.19 | aep | jetscreamer: ok. thanks. and now? |
| 20:48.25 | jetscreamer | aep: you can, this lets me select mass quantities.. like gnome or kde or xorg ot --purge |
| 20:48.27 | en1gma | hey all how do i make the amdccc (ati control center) save my display settings? |
| 20:48.40 | jetscreamer | aep: pgup pgdown, or / to search |
| 20:48.43 | en1gma | everytime i boot or login i have to resize the resolution |
| 20:48.47 | MangosDebian | hmmm, now who was it that registered the orginal dns at dyndns.org for that thing? |
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| 20:49.14 | aep | jetscreamer: any change to make this list ordered by something usefulöl? |
| 20:49.24 | aep | instead of... dunno what this order means actualy |
| 20:49.55 | jetscreamer | aep: not a lot of control, there are options, not sure what they are i just use it for it's power, and know where i'm going |
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| 20:50.03 | jetscreamer | ? is help i think |
| 20:50.09 | jetscreamer | i forget |
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| 20:50.18 | aep | hm ok anyway. what can i do here now? how does it help mme get rid of the unwanted software? |
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| 20:50.45 | aep | it looks like i can install software with that |
| 20:50.56 | MangosDebian | xand: actually, i need to get pisg running against the db logs. would be curious how much faster they are in sql |
| 20:51.03 | jetscreamer | go to the sections you don't want (gnome/kde/xorg) highlight the section header/title, or file... hit - to remove, _ to purge |
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| 20:51.33 | jetscreamer | + to install |
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| 20:51.39 | aep | jetscreamer: hitting underscore brought me to a new list |
| 20:51.49 | aep | this is like a puzzle game |
| 20:51.51 | jetscreamer | of packages to get rid off |
| 20:52.03 | jetscreamer | now take your _ and hold it till you get to the bottom |
| 20:52.03 | aep | err.. |
| 20:52.15 | jetscreamer | put a + on ones you want to keep |
| 20:52.33 | Gertrude | I tried using winrar in windows, and its saying the tar archive is either in unknown format or damaged. Great.. |
| 20:52.36 | aep | ok i wnated to remove perl but this new list contains the whole system |
| 20:52.51 | MangosDebian | Gertrude: :( |
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| 20:53.07 | karmatronic | Gertrude: you mean unrar....? |
| 20:53.08 | jetscreamer | it's powerful... you have to get a feel for how to manipulate it's desires |
| 20:53.15 | Danielss89 | where can i find the cronjob that rotate the log /var/log/apache2/* |
| 20:53.15 | aep | jetscreamer: is this the list of depnding packages? |
| 20:53.20 | Gertrude | no winrar |
| 20:53.26 | jetscreamer | but you can just put a + on what you want, you'll get a diff screen saying what you need to keep... |
| 20:53.36 | jetscreamer | preselected for your comfort |
| 20:53.39 | MangosDebian | karmatronic: no, windows winrar. tryin to verify a corrupt archive |
| 20:53.48 | aep | huh? |
| 20:53.48 | Azar | Gertrude: try to use it in Debian... we don't use windows here |
| 20:53.49 | karmatronic | ok |
| 20:53.59 | xand | GAH |
| 20:54.02 | MangosDebian | Azar: its ok, this is exception |
| 20:54.05 | Gertrude | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.12 | aep | i just want to uninstall the default packages *starts whining* |
| 20:54.13 | Gertrude | so I tested in in windows as well |
| 20:54.19 | MangosDebian | Azar: this is verification it copied ok |
| 20:54.20 | aep | i don't wnat to play this game |
| 20:54.25 | jetscreamer | when you put the + on the ones you want to keep, you will get a new screen with the required dependencies preselected for you to approve |
| 20:54.25 | aep | just.... uninstall |
| 20:54.32 | jetscreamer | use the _ |
| 20:54.36 | jetscreamer | hold it down |
| 20:54.39 | MangosDebian | Gertrude: and you just had to erase it from bsd |
| 20:54.54 | jetscreamer | if you wanna keep something, put a +/* on it |
| 20:54.58 | xand | MangosDebian: i guess you're just new :| |
| 20:54.58 | MangosDebian | Gertrude: did you verify it on bsd before you copied it at least? |
| 20:55.02 | Azar | aep: just reinstall the f**ing system with option only for C. NO DESKTOP, NO FU***IN SERVER |
| 20:55.28 | aep | Azar: i can't this is debian. |
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| 20:55.34 | Gertrude | the had the files listed in bsd with I used the tar "t" option yea. so something must have happened when I copied from that to windows |
| 20:55.35 | aep | jetscreamer: hm ok. |
| 20:55.37 | MangosDebian | xand: unless you say otherwise :) |
| 20:55.42 | aep | jetscreamer: i think i almost understood that step |
| 20:55.49 | lakcaj | how would I have entries dynamically added to resolv.conf within a workgroup where all IP addys are given out by DHCP? |
| 20:55.52 | jetscreamer | that's about all there is to it |
| 20:55.56 | aep | except the fact that this new list contians packages that where not tehre before |
| 20:56.09 | Gertrude | The transfer times were very slow when i copied so I thinkthe cable I used may have been bad |
| 20:56.11 | aep | jetscreamer: ok and these packages are still there now thought |
| 20:56.12 | Azar | hehe xand |
| 20:56.14 | jetscreamer | aep: are they selected, or unselected |
| 20:56.17 | Gertrude | oh well.. |
| 20:56.18 | xand | gah that hurts |
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| 20:56.24 | aep | err selected? |
| 20:56.32 | jetscreamer | * or --- or ___ |
| 20:56.33 | Azar | xand: too much time at the beach? |
| 20:56.40 | xand | beach?P! |
| 20:56.41 | xand | -P |
| 20:56.46 | xand | I don't do that |
| 20:56.52 | jetscreamer | *** means it's installed, --* means it's going to be installed |
| 20:56.56 | MangosDebian | Gertrude: but still, there are checksums in place. especially for ssh. and what are the odds the first block transfered bad? |
| 20:57.04 | Azar | xand: yougurt on the nose is a beach symptom |
| 20:57.13 | aep | jetscreamer: " **- Opt utils procinfo Displays system information from /proc" |
| 20:57.20 | aep | for example |
| 20:57.21 | Gertrude | I dont know. I also transfered a 3.7 gig tar.gz file and that worked |
| 20:57.22 | aep | when trying to uninstall perl |
| 20:57.22 | xand | it wasn't on, it was in :| |
| 20:57.31 | MangosDebian | Gertrude: its not like bsd is opposite endianess or anything |
| 20:57.33 | xand | it's far too wet here for beaches |
| 20:57.33 | Azar | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hahahaha |
| 20:57.38 | jetscreamer | that one is going byebye i believe, put a + / * to keep it |
| 20:57.45 | jetscreamer | but! |
| 20:57.46 | xand | Azar: the wrong way, from my mouth |
| 20:57.50 | Azar | xand bad bad boy! Gotcha snorting yougurt |
| 20:57.56 | jetscreamer | it's not purged, only removed.. use the _ to purge em |
| 20:58.04 | aep | jetscreamer: hum but why is it in that list? |
| 20:58.14 | aep | i mean i just wanted to uninstall perl |
| 20:58.18 | jetscreamer | because of a suggestion or recommended probably |
| 20:58.19 | aep | not... everything |
| 20:58.24 | aep | suggestions?! |
| 20:58.25 | simonrvn | er, you can't do that aep |
| 20:58.26 | aep | wtf |
| 20:58.36 | aep | i don't wnat the system to sughgest anything |
| 20:58.42 | aep | simonrvn: i can't? |
| 20:58.44 | aep | why? |
| 20:58.44 | Azar | aep: slap jetscreamer for not complying with your needs! |
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| 20:59.00 | Azar | jetscreamer: you are the best |
| 20:59.02 | simonrvn | remove perl, and expect it to still work. dpkg deps on perl |
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| 20:59.13 | Azar | only we don't understand the words that came out of your mouth |
| 20:59.15 | aep | ugh |
| 20:59.17 | simonrvn | i think. sec |
| 20:59.18 | jetscreamer | go back to the list, highlight the required/standard sections, hit + on them |
| 20:59.23 | xand | MangosDebian: so... nothing better to do than be here 24x7? :) |
| 20:59.33 | jetscreamer | you can purge ALL optional packages with dselect |
| 20:59.37 | simonrvn | no it doesn't sorry. debconf does |
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| 20:59.50 | aep | jetscreamer: hm. didn't get that sorry. + on what? |
| 20:59.53 | MangosDebian | xand: need to populate the db |
| 20:59.53 | jetscreamer | some seem to be needed though |
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| 21:00.07 | simonrvn | aptc show debconf -- Pre-Depends: perl-base (>= 5.6.1-4) |
| 21:00.11 | aep | jetscreamer: i would love to uninstall all optional apckages, that#s actualy what i want to do |
| 21:00.12 | xand | MangosDebian: with your own talking? :P |
| 21:00.14 | jetscreamer | the sections that say standard, and important, and required, et al |
| 21:00.15 | Azar | make room for pr0n buddy |
| 21:00.17 | xand | I don't mean your client ;) |
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| 21:00.24 | aep | jetscreamer: got it |
| 21:00.25 | jetscreamer | go to the section header that says optional |
| 21:00.29 | jetscreamer | hit _ |
| 21:00.30 | MangosDebian | xand: lol, far from it |
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| 21:00.41 | jetscreamer | it won't let you purge all, but that's ok |
| 21:00.45 | Azar | stoned where are you |
| 21:00.51 | jetscreamer | it wil lget most |
| 21:01.17 | jetscreamer | btw... shift + r to reset the entire list |
| 21:01.21 | MangosDebian | xand: got nothing better to do than watch meaningless stats and draw conclusions? |
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| 21:01.30 | aep | jetscreamer: ok how do i get back to the big list then? |
| 21:01.38 | simonrvn | dselect has features i'd like to see in aptitude |
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| 21:02.12 | streuner | o_O |
| 21:02.24 | Azar | simonrvn: I never used dselect: as a beginner I was told to stay away from it: what does it do? |
| 21:02.24 | simonrvn | yes, really |
| 21:02.35 | aep | i'm not sure what i am doing here. every key has a different meaning but none has any intuitive use |
| 21:02.35 | MangosDebian | xand: of course the real question is, who are you? i don't recall your nick being around here too long. |
| 21:02.45 | simonrvn | aptitude's elder brother/sister |
| 21:02.49 | streuner | dselect should be really fantastic, but most people didnt use Debian, because dselect runs them nuts |
| 21:02.54 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.09 | simonrvn | i have him/her on iggy |
| 21:03.10 | aep | jetscreamer: err. it did something.... |
| 21:03.19 | Azar | simonrvn: maybe Daniel Burrows can look it over and implement or merge with aptitude |
| 21:03.22 | logd | hi, what rules has to be set to enable ipmasq forward every connection it receives from a client machine to the internet and responses ? |
| 21:03.26 | aep | jetscreamer: is there any way to do that without this.... dselect? becouse i don't get it |
| 21:03.28 | jetscreamer | do something back! |
| 21:03.35 | jetscreamer | aep: regex |
| 21:03.41 | aep | it installed lots of new packages |
| 21:03.42 | MangosDebian | jetscreamer: ? |
| 21:03.45 | aep | instead of removeing anything |
| 21:03.52 | jetscreamer | just pasting |
| 21:04.04 | streuner | the only REAL tool is *kpackage* *cough* (/troll) |
| 21:04.04 | MangosDebian | ahh |
| 21:04.11 | jetscreamer | aep: oh that's the other thing it does.. apt-get -f on steroids |
| 21:04.12 | simonrvn | !lart streuner |
| 21:04.16 | streuner | haha |
| 21:04.19 | aep | oof |
| 21:04.38 | jetscreamer | hence the fix-unmet factoid |
| 21:04.38 | Azar | haha streuner, and why kpackage > a kde tool? |
| 21:04.51 | streuner | simonrvn: we need (for sure) an aptitude-smite cmd. ;-) |
| 21:04.52 | aep | that's to complex for me. i give up and install fedore i guess. sucks but i understand it at least |
| 21:04.59 | simonrvn | !fix-unmet |
| 21:04.59 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until you exit... you may have to hit y or n somewhere. Also, if you've never run dselect, you may have to use option 0 and choose APT Acquisition. |
| 21:05.02 | aep | :< |
| 21:05.09 | aep | thanks anyway jetscreamer, for the try |
| 21:05.11 | streuner | Azar: for beginners its easy to handle... |
| 21:05.37 | simonrvn | fuck i did that a lot with dselect |
| 21:06.02 | simonrvn | i'd update, choose deselect stuff, look at the new stuff, then hit enter |
| 21:06.09 | streuner | hm |
| 21:06.12 | Azar | aep: maybe you try ubuntu first... then later move to debian.. |
| 21:06.22 | jetscreamer | i still do |
| 21:06.31 | streuner | simonrvn: most users have problems with... |
| 21:06.40 | aep | Azar: i will not touch ubuntu. i'm not a nooby |
| 21:06.49 | xand | MangosDebian: I'm not drawing conclusions, was joking... and I've been here a few years |
| 21:06.51 | karmatronic | aep: what s your problem exactly ? |
| 21:06.55 | aep | Azar: actualy i hate debian becouse it does so much things on its own |
| 21:07.00 | simonrvn | when i started there was only gnome-apt and dselect. guess which one i liked more? |
| 21:07.04 | aep | karmatronic: unable to use the debian package system |
| 21:07.05 | Azar | aep: oh I see.. |
| 21:07.21 | karmatronic | aep: but at the install or after? |
| 21:07.22 | aep | karmatronic: actualy just want to uninstall something but it "suggests" pockages and things |
| 21:07.34 | aep | after, the installation was done by the hoster |
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| 21:07.41 | aep | no way to start the installer on my own |
| 21:07.53 | karmatronic | aep: what are you trying to uninstall? |
| 21:08.09 | Azar | karmatronic: he hates the additional packages installed with the requested package: he considers dependency a waste of HD |
| 21:08.09 | aep | all optional packages that have been preinstalled and i don't want them |
| 21:08.35 | aep | apache, exim, ... |
| 21:08.52 | MangosDebian | xand: i think the majority of the people have as well. although the question is, under what nicks as im sure you will agree |
| 21:08.54 | Azar | aep: you are right, Debian will install ALL packages it considers necessary regardless of your desire/needs/opinion |
| 21:08.56 | aep | and i would like to have some basic gnutils instead |
| 21:08.59 | karmatronic | aep: ok i agree with you, so get rid of them |
| 21:09.05 | aep | like i need ps |
| 21:09.22 | simonrvn | dselect, BTW (since no one actually asked i'll answer anyway) |
| 21:09.29 | MangosDebian | xand: your irssi yes? |
| 21:09.36 | simonrvn | aep: those come with base |
| 21:09.36 | karmatronic | aep: actually when i install debian , i always begin with minimal packages and then add necessary and needed on the fly |
| 21:09.37 | aep | karmatronic: yeah but how do i convert a debian install into a standard gnu distribution without installing each package on my own |
| 21:09.40 | aep | simonrvn: not there |
| 21:09.47 | aep | server1:~# ps |
| 21:09.47 | aep | -bash: ps: command not found |
| 21:09.56 | xand | MangosDebian: uhuh |
| 21:10.18 | aep | karmatronic: yes but i cannot do that since i am stuck with the hosters default package |
| 21:10.20 | streuner | aep: used dbootstrap? :-) |
| 21:10.25 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.28 | karmatronic | aep: so , apt-get remove --purge exim4 |
| 21:10.30 | MangosDebian | xand: svn://ircdetective.dyndns.org:27474/ |
| 21:10.33 | simonrvn | aep: not my fault your coloc is crap |
| 21:10.33 | aep | not me streuner, no |
| 21:10.33 | karmatronic | aep: so , apt-get remove --purge apache |
| 21:10.35 | karmatronic | aep: so , apt-get remove --purge apache2 |
| 21:10.38 | karmatronic | and so on |
| 21:10.43 | aep | all the packages? |
| 21:10.43 | Danielss89 | how can i install rotatelogs from apache2-utils? |
| 21:10.45 | karmatronic | aep: in 15 minutes you re done |
| 21:10.50 | MangosDebian | xand: much better than flat files. although still not fully complete |
| 21:10.50 | aep | ok i see. |
| 21:10.54 | streuner | aep: how come "ps" is not installed, "ps" should be essential |
| 21:11.04 | dondelelcaro | ps isn't essential |
| 21:11.09 | aep | streuner: alot of stuff is missing here. thought that's normal in debian |
| 21:11.17 | simonrvn | Danielss89: logrotate is fine; if it's already in a package, you install the package... |
| 21:11.27 | dondelelcaro | it's in procps; it's not all that difficult to have a system without it. |
| 21:11.28 | Azar | aep: you have a broken installation |
| 21:11.31 | aep | actualy i nevr saw a standard gnu distribution on these debian machines |
| 21:11.33 | Danielss89 | simonrvn ok.. |
| 21:11.35 | streuner | dondelelcaro: well, d-i doesnt install it by default? |
| 21:11.42 | simonrvn | streuner: no |
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| 21:11.46 | dondelelcaro | streuner: not necessarily |
| 21:11.48 | simonrvn | AFAIK |
| 21:11.54 | Azar | he did not even had a /sources.list file |
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| 21:12.03 | Azar | you figure |
| 21:12.05 | dondelelcaro | you don't need a sources.list file either |
| 21:12.16 | simonrvn | that's not essential.... |
| 21:12.16 | dondelelcaro | though it'd be pretty wierd not to have one |
| 21:12.28 | Azar | he only had an empty /etc/apt |
| 21:12.32 | Azar | luckily apt was there |
| 21:12.34 | aep | i don't know guys. i am not a debian lover. it's just the only working distro this hoster offers. no way i touch suse |
| 21:12.37 | Danielss89 | simonrvn the apache2 docs says that i should add "|bin/rotatelogs ..." to the config file.. but rotatelogs is not in the directoru |
| 21:12.46 | *** part/#debian Smooph (n=Smooph@e180177092.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 21:12.53 | dondelelcaro | aep: well, it sounds like your hoster installed it with debootstrap, and that's it. |
| 21:12.54 | Danielss89 | okey found it |
| 21:13.04 | simonrvn | the installer creates that... obviously his host didn't want or didn't think to include that with their disk images |
| 21:13.09 | aep | dondelelcaro: dunno. so how do i convert that to a normal distro? |
| 21:13.18 | dondelelcaro | aep: you're running a normal distribution. |
| 21:13.26 | aep | definatly not |
| 21:13.29 | simonrvn | Danielss89: let logrotate handle it, it comes with one |
| 21:13.34 | dondelelcaro | aep: just configure your sources.list, run apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; and install whatever it is that you want to run. |
| 21:13.35 | Azar | hey aep is not a noobie |
| 21:13.38 | MangosDebian | xand: if you can get that working with pisg I would be grateful |
| 21:13.39 | aep | normal distros are basicly gnu/linux + a package manager |
| 21:13.45 | simonrvn | Danielss89: er, one here being a logrotate config |
| 21:14.03 | silver_wolf | Hey all. |
| 21:14.05 | Azar | aep: god knows what the heck you installed, can you tell us ? |
| 21:14.05 | streuner | aep: we told you, dbootstrap is different... |
| 21:14.11 | dondelelcaro | aep: that's literally what you (appear to) have. You've got the minimum necessary stuff to run apt-get. |
| 21:14.13 | aep | so i need to find all the packages on my own do i? like in good old rpm times |
| 21:14.21 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 21:14.23 | MangosDebian | xand: although at some point the idea is to import a decade or so worth of logs |
| 21:14.30 | dondelelcaro | aep: no, you need to configure your sources.list, and run apt-get update; apt-get install foopkgs that you want; |
| 21:14.38 | level1 | does anybody know of an onscreen calculator that works like a graphing calculator? |
| 21:14.52 | xand | MangosDebian: I've never used pisg |
| 21:15.00 | Azar | I showed him hot to create the /sources.list file, and gave him the sources to put in |
| 21:15.09 | xand | well, only very briefly |
| 21:15.09 | aep | dondelelcaro: yeah but how do i know the packages? those names aren't intuitive either. i was wondering if there is a script installing the base packages. or a base meta package. |
| 21:15.11 | karmatronic | level1: didnt understand the question |
| 21:15.26 | Azar | sigh |
| 21:15.29 | dondelelcaro | aep: you find the packages by using apt-cache search; or by checking packages.debian.org |
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| 21:15.52 | dondelelcaro | aep: if you're totally lost, run tasksel or aptitude and select one of the tasks. |
| 21:15.53 | aep | apt-cache search ps shows about 12 screens. i need to read them all i guess |
| 21:16.04 | aep | this is like rpm |
| 21:16.05 | MangosDebian | xand: well, still an interesting program if you get a chance to check it outta svn. extremly fast and efficient. although it could use some work |
| 21:16.06 | level1 | karmatronic: well, have you ever used a TI-8* or similar? the onscreen calculators for linux (or computers in general) don't seem to be as useful or easy to use, but I guess I'm too used to the TI-83 |
| 21:16.12 | spheard | is there such thing as apt-setup now? |
| 21:16.14 | dondelelcaro | aep: no, you need to visit packages.debian.org, see the last search field, and enter bin/ps |
| 21:16.17 | karmatronic | aep: maybe run dpkg-reconfigure base-config |
| 21:16.26 | dondelelcaro | spheard: not anymore; it'll probably come back, though. |
| 21:16.27 | aep | and no "less" installed on this machine either |
| 21:16.29 | dondelelcaro | karmatronic: that won't do anything. |
| 21:16.36 | dondelelcaro | aep: so apt-get install less; |
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| 21:16.51 | karmatronic | dondelelcaro: well he could ask minimal install at the end |
| 21:16.55 | aep | "less is already the newest version." |
| 21:17.05 | aep | server1:~# less |
| 21:17.05 | aep | -bash: lesss: command not found |
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| 21:17.14 | aep | what's that extra s? |
| 21:17.17 | streuner | aptitude install '~E!~i' |
| 21:17.35 | streuner | (if you have aptitude installed) |
| 21:17.36 | karmatronic | aep: check your path |
| 21:17.36 | dondelelcaro | aep: run alias; and see what in the world your hoster has aliased less to |
| 21:18.04 | dondelelcaro | or pick a hoster who will hold your hand, or find a consultant who will. |
| 21:18.10 | karmatronic | aep: /usr/bin s there ? |
| 21:18.16 | aep | this is the 10th hoster i tryed |
| 21:18.23 | aep | karmatronic: yeah |
| 21:18.34 | silver_wolf | aep: I'm just comign in on this. What's the problem, again? |
| 21:18.43 | aep | this seriously costs money and time. |
| 21:18.49 | Azar | debain has a BAD customer service! |
| 21:18.50 | massctrl | anyone using relakks.com with the linux pptp client ? |
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| 21:19.00 | aep | silver_wolf: looks like my hosters debian install is garbage |
| 21:19.09 | H2OyJaBoN | hi! |
| 21:19.15 | Azar | silver_wolf: just please don't start all this over |
| 21:19.18 | karmatronic | silver_wolf: aep hates debian and the guy that installed the machine installed a bunch of stuff , and aep wants a "minimal" system |
| 21:19.18 | dondelelcaro | aep: if it's a manner of money and time, then hire a consultant to set things up for you |
| 21:19.21 | silver_wolf | What do you mean by "hoster"? Website host? |
| 21:19.37 | aep | silver_wolf: vserver |
| 21:19.44 | tarzeau | !debain |
| 21:19.44 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 21:19.44 | silver_wolf | Ok. |
| 21:19.50 | tarzeau | Azar: debian has not a bad customer service |
| 21:19.53 | karmatronic | massctrl: im using the pptp client |
| 21:19.55 | Azar | tarzeau!!! |
| 21:20.00 | pipeline | Azar: Debain lacks customer service |
| 21:20.01 | streuner | haha |
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| 21:20.07 | pipeline | Azar: debain spits upon customers |
| 21:20.13 | aep | heh |
| 21:20.19 | Azar | tarzeau: I didnt say debian has a bad customer service, Debain has |
| 21:20.21 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: debain certainly does. Debian doesn't have customers, so we can't have customer service. |
| 21:20.24 | pipeline | Azar: Dabein once said to me, "My customers, they are dogs." |
| 21:20.24 | aep | ok thank's a lot guys. |
| 21:20.26 | silver_wolf | aep: so why don't you just run the netinst again yourself? |
| 21:20.32 | Azar | haha |
| 21:20.36 | aep | guess i need to get a fresh install somehow |
| 21:20.41 | aep | silver_wolf: i can't |
| 21:20.44 | aep | this is vserver |
| 21:20.48 | aep | no physical access |
| 21:20.53 | silver_wolf | Ok. |
| 21:21.12 | massctrl | karmatronic: i"m getting tons of "Protocol-Reject for unsupported protocol" messages. First everything works well then, after a while when there's a lot of traffic, I get these messages and no traffic passes the tunnel anymore |
| 21:21.14 | simonrvn | aep: fix your $PATH |
| 21:21.22 | aep | i need to setup a chroot maybe and copy the new root on the fly.... woo |
| 21:21.28 | simonrvn | echo $PATH |
| 21:21.37 | Azar | "I just installed debain and the screan is black! and the cusotmer service in #debain is rude! I will never buy a debain again!" |
| 21:21.38 | karmatronic | massctrl: you need to add a special route to the server |
| 21:21.39 | aep | simonrvn: stop thinking i'm stupid please |
| 21:21.52 | silver_wolf | Pardon my misunderstanding, but what are you using this vserver for, specifically? |
| 21:22.05 | massctrl | karmatronic: I don't see what routing has to do with it. Could you please elaborate a bit on this ? |
| 21:22.06 | simonrvn | nothing to do with whether or not i think you're stupid |
| 21:22.16 | Azar | he is not even funny! |
| 21:22.20 | aep | silver_wolf: some private garbage. like a testsystem for scgi apps |
| 21:22.25 | simonrvn | and you're not in my head, so don't presume you know what i'm thinking. |
| 21:22.26 | karmatronic | massctrl: cos you probably have the problem that , when the pptp connection is up , the server is reached through ppp0 , while it should be reached throught eth0 or eth1 |
| 21:22.32 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 21:22.35 | silver_wolf | aep: Why not run those locally? |
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| 21:22.43 | aep | simonrvn: na but i think i know the basics of linux, and i know what's wrong with it :) thank you anyway |
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| 21:22.51 | Azar | is all jetscreamer's fault! jetscreamer you fix your customer now |
| 21:22.53 | simonrvn | asshole |
| 21:23.04 | massctrl | karmatronic: that sounds interesting |
| 21:23.06 | aep | silver_wolf: erm... becouse my upstream is like nothing? |
| 21:23.12 | dondelelcaro | aep: well, if you know what's wrong with it, please don't bother complaining here. |
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| 21:23.22 | streuner | aep: well, we told you serveral times what to do, why do you ignore what people told you? |
| 21:23.26 | karmatronic | massctrl: try ip route add your_pptp_server via your_gateway src your_own_ip_address |
| 21:23.27 | aep | simonrvn: sorry? no offend. sorry if it sounded like it :( |
| 21:23.32 | xand | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.34 | massctrl | karmatronic: could I happen that this works at first, but with high traffic it doesn't? |
| 21:23.37 | karmatronic | massctrl: and then launch tunnel agai n |
| 21:23.39 | slackbr_ | Hi folks, how I can add new repository in the apt-get ? I forgot what file I need to edit |
| 21:23.41 | silver_wolf | aep: I'll just step back out of this. I don't think I have a full enough grasp on what you're doing. |
| 21:23.46 | dondelelcaro | slackbr_: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:23.55 | dondelelcaro | slackbr_: man 5 sources.list; for details |
| 21:24.07 | slackbr_ | dondelelcaro thank you |
| 21:24.09 | slackbr_ | :D |
| 21:24.10 | aep | err why are you all attacking me now? i mean.... i didn't know this system isn't a standard debian... |
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| 21:24.47 | dondelelcaro | aep: take the next 10 minutes please to figure out what it is that you want us to help you with; then come and ask questions. |
| 21:24.47 | Azar | tehee, I couldn't think it gonna get so far |
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| 21:25.13 | Azar | I got him on /ignore 10 min ago... |
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| 21:25.25 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: hey, tried your best at least |
| 21:25.31 | silver_wolf | That's what I thought.... |
| 21:25.42 | simonrvn | give him a prefectly valid suggestion, and treats me like crap. arrogant little ... |
| 21:25.44 | massctrl | karmatronic: ok I didn't realize, but it's already configured like that, ... |
| 21:25.52 | simonrvn | </ot> |
| 21:26.02 | Azar | MangosDebian: you should feel sorry for jetscreamer that dedicated almost one hour doing 101 with him |
| 21:26.30 | MangosDebian | Azar: over what? anything/everything? |
| 21:26.53 | silver_wolf | I didn't catch whether AEP had root access to the server or not. Did he? |
| 21:26.58 | Azar | MangosDebian: jetscreamer was just trying to please the prick and help him remove files and directories he did not want |
| 21:27.33 | simonrvn | silver_wolf: his prompt said so |
| 21:27.50 | simonrvn | aep> server1:~# less |
| 21:27.52 | silver_wolf | Well, then he got the help he needed. |
| 21:27.55 | massctrl | karmatronic: this is how my routing table looks like: http://paste.uni.cc/16795 |
| 21:27.57 | MangosDebian | Azar: ahh. well it happens. heck sometimes people on irc arent even intending to do stuff. just goes with the territory I guess. Grow thicker skin |
| 21:28.02 | simonrvn | that told me his PATH was buggered |
| 21:28.06 | silver_wolf | What a putz! |
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| 21:28.13 | simonrvn | /usr/bin is in everyone's PATH |
| 21:28.28 | silver_wolf | simonrvn: aep |
| 21:28.32 | Azar | MangosDebian: I put him on ignore when he became erratic saying he hates debian (wtf are you doing here then).. |
| 21:28.42 | karmatronic | silver_wolf: the guy didnt want help |
| 21:28.42 | silver_wolf | simonrvn: aep's PATH was OK. He was mistyping the command |
| 21:28.44 | simonrvn | yeh i got it |
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| 21:28.49 | dondelelcaro | folks, he's no longer with us; lets move on please. |
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| 21:29.03 | Azar | cool... thanks dondelelcaro |
| 21:29.03 | silver_wolf | Anyway... |
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| 21:29.28 | simonrvn | well it didn't seem so, i mean less if you just type less it'll bug you about wanting an input file, not "command not found" |
| 21:29.33 | MangosDebian | Azar: i think we all have days where we hate debian, linux and computers in general. but anyways |
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| 21:29.58 | simonrvn | Missing filename ("less --help" for help) |
| 21:30.09 | karmatronic | MangosDebian: i havent reached that point yet |
| 21:30.10 | silver_wolf | simonrvn: Yes, but if you looked at it, it read "lesss"; 3 "s" |
| 21:30.20 | karmatronic | MangosDebian: i always blame me before linux:) |
| 21:30.46 | MangosDebian | karmatronic: :) |
| 21:30.47 | Azar | ok question: I hold on upgrading to Etch from Sarge waiting for rc1. Any idea when that will happen? |
| 21:31.14 | silver_wolf | Azar: Etch has already moved to Stable |
| 21:31.18 | Azar | well heck I only have one week left... so regardles... I have to upgrade |
| 21:31.32 | simonrvn | oh missed that; thanks |
| 21:31.32 | Azar | silver_wolf: rc0, I was waiting for rc1 |
| 21:31.46 | staniel | hey guys, just wondering about the linux-image-2.6-686 metapackage, and wondering if it should now depend on linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 instead of linux-image-2.6.21-2-686 |
| 21:31.59 | dondelelcaro | Azar: dunno; there hasn't been an anouncement about it from the stable release manager yet. |
| 21:32.00 | MangosDebian | Azar: etch seems good so far |
| 21:32.17 | silver_wolf | I've been running Etch since a few days after it went stable |
| 21:32.17 | Azar | thanks, dondelelcaro |
| 21:32.20 | dondelelcaro | (so that means its at least two weeks away) |
| 21:32.23 | silver_wolf | AND, I'm loving it. |
| 21:32.47 | Azar | MangosDebian: old stuff that kept me back.... will be replaced... I have to go to a shrink to have a session about "letting go" |
| 21:32.56 | xand | ive been using etch for about a year before it went stable |
| 21:33.03 | silver_wolf | Azar: LMAO |
| 21:33.05 | xand | or 6 months maybe |
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| 21:33.31 | MangosDebian | Azar: heh, sounds rough. i think you should just deal with it and make the switch. you will be thankful |
| 21:33.32 | Azar | lilo, xfree86, and some more... sigh... |
| 21:33.51 | silver_wolf | Azar: You can still have your LILO |
| 21:33.53 | Azar | MangosDebian: I need to gather the strength to say goodbye |
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| 21:34.31 | MangosDebian | Azar: besides, probably good to go over your configs again from scratch and get something new for another few years. clean the pipes out |
| 21:34.32 | Azar | MangosDebian: 10 days ago I did a Woody install on an unused box..... just because I was missing it... |
| 21:34.32 | xand | Azar: 2.4? |
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| 21:34.41 | Azar | xand: no, 2.6.8 |
| 21:34.49 | karmatronic | Azar: yeah , youre cool |
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| 21:35.08 | karmatronic | Azar: missing woody ...buy yourself toy story dvd :) |
| 21:35.08 | MangosDebian | Azar: wow, thats die hard. i dont even have woody cd's around anymore |
| 21:35.34 | silver_wolf | Ok, not trying to start the whole GNOME vs. KDE thing but I'm really looking forwad to KDE4 |
| 21:35.39 | Azar | was a good experience, and lots of memories, when I did the woody installation.... now I did understood it better.. |
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| 21:35.45 | MangosDebian | Azar: what is that, like ipfwadm? :p |
| 21:36.01 | karmatronic | silver_wolf: no trying to follow you , but i hate kde :) |
| 21:36.31 | silver_wolf | karmatronic: That's OK by me. There's lot of WM's out there. |
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| 21:37.01 | silver_wolf | I still use AfterStep every once in a while |
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| 21:37.22 | karmatronic | silver_wolf: yeah ,and xfce is cool too |
| 21:37.34 | silver_wolf | And VERY light weight. |
| 21:37.59 | karmatronic | silver_wolf: i d like a ncurses WM |
| 21:38.01 | MangosDebian | Azar: hey you tried etch yet at least? I think you would be surprised how far along it has come compared to sarge |
| 21:38.36 | Azar | MangosDebian: interesting was the upgrade from woody to sarge I did thereafter... as I did not upgraded the kernel from 2.4.18 to 2.4.27.... the dist-upgrade crashed in the middle because the upgrade suddenly wiped out the ethernet driver :) just in the middle of downloading by dist-upgrade ! |
| 21:38.40 | silver_wolf | karmatronic: I'm not ready for an ncurses-based WM. I'm still to fond of plain old CLI |
| 21:38.42 | Azar | it was fun |
| 21:39.24 | DawnLight | friends. i have a couple questions. first i would like to know which architecture is an Athlon XP? |
| 21:39.30 | MangosDebian | Azar: i can imagine. etch seems to just detect everything now and let you get on with actually using debian much faster imho |
| 21:39.39 | Azar | MangosDebian: well the HD that I installed Woody on then upgraded to Sarge, originally had an old Etch-testing done last summer which worked ok |
| 21:39.49 | silver_wolf | DawnLight: similar to x86 |
| 21:39.51 | karmatronic | silver_wolf: imagine a ncurses you could control remotely |
| 21:40.04 | karmatronic | silver_wolf: much better than x11vnc and all that stuff |
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| 21:40.29 | Azar | MangosDebian: but I did not see much difference back then as I was still running xfree86 and lilo and all my old configuration |
| 21:40.49 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 21:40.51 | Azar | I guess udev was not installed, back then was not implemented yet |
| 21:41.18 | cafuego | DawnLight: i386 |
| 21:41.27 | cafuego | DawnLight: In terms of akernel, it's a k7. |
| 21:41.36 | MangosDebian | Azar: everything seems to be grub and xorg nowadays. but i never was heavy on X anyways. as for udev, i love it. although sarge was a pain with the devfs vs. udev betamax war iirc |
| 21:41.48 | Azar | the only thing that makes me go to Etch is that the security updates for Sarge will stop soon. And my firefox browser is old and limping |
| 21:42.26 | silver_wolf | AFK |
| 21:42.33 | Azar | more and more websites are barking at me: get a better browser! |
| 21:42.48 | MangosDebian | Azar: links! |
| 21:42.53 | karmatronic | Azar: IE7 |
| 21:42.55 | DawnLight | i'm converting my sister's box tonight :) |
| 21:43.05 | Azar | and I really need a newer openbox |
| 21:43.16 | Azar | with withe bg and black text |
| 21:43.34 | Azar | if I get that, hey... links will be easier to read |
| 21:43.45 | karmatronic | DawnLight: beware of converting people not ready :) |
| 21:44.19 | MangosDebian | karmatronic: dual boot |
| 21:44.44 | DawnLight | thanks. good night |
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| 21:46.12 | d00gster | guys, my xorg.conf sets the resolution of my screen to 649x480_60 |
| 21:46.19 | karmatronic | MangosDebian: actually , i ended thinking dual boot was a waste of time |
| 21:46.23 | d00gster | but in dmesg I get intelfb: intelfb_set_par (1024x768-32) |
| 21:46.42 | d00gster | where is this resolution coming from? |
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| 21:47.29 | Zheuz | how do I change the kernel that boots by default ? |
| 21:47.34 | MangosDebian | karmatronic: sometimes people need windows though |
| 21:47.42 | Zheuz | the last kernel I isntalled is giving me problems |
| 21:47.44 | valdyn | d00gster: one is your console frame buffewer, the other is X |
| 21:47.53 | Zheuz | where is the damn .list file |
| 21:47.54 | MangosDebian | Zheuz: grub? |
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| 21:48.07 | MangosDebian | Zheuz: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 21:48.10 | Zheuz | yup, I'm using grub |
| 21:48.19 | d00gster | valdyn, is it via grub? |
| 21:48.33 | Zheuz | thanks, got it |
| 21:48.36 | valdyn | d00gster: what does it have to do with grub? |
| 21:48.40 | Zheuz | how do I change the one that boots!? |
| 21:49.03 | MangosDebian | Zheuz: you still have a working kernel in /boot plus the bad one? |
| 21:49.10 | d00gster | read the wrong reply |
| 21:49.19 | d00gster | how to change it valdyn? |
| 21:49.40 | Zheuz | yes, so when I boot I need to press ESC to choose the old kernel, which is the one I'm using right now |
| 21:49.52 | Zheuz | all I want is to have it boot the old kernel by deault |
| 21:49.53 | MangosDebian | Zheuz: if you installed the bad one with dpkg, apt-get remove it and run update-grub, else remove the vmlinux-`unamr -r` for the bad one and run update-grub |
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| 21:50.36 | d00gster | valdyn: any thoughts? |
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| 21:50.45 | Zheuz | apt-get remove <?> ? |
| 21:50.47 | MangosDebian | least i think you can apt-get remove --purge the make-kpkg ones, never tried |
| 21:51.27 | MangosDebian | Zheuz: dpkg --get-selections | grep linux-image |
| 21:52.04 | MangosDebian | Zheuz: just make sure you don't remove your current working package by mistake or you would be in for some fun |
| 21:52.31 | Zheuz | sounds risky! cant I just update the menu.lst ? |
| 21:53.06 | MangosDebian | Zheuz: ya you can, but its not that risky |
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| 21:53.25 | MangosDebian | Zheuz: uname -r, thats your current one, don't remove that. remove the other one |
| 21:53.54 | d00gster | can someone else tell me how to change the resolution on my frame buffer? |
| 21:54.10 | MangosDebian | d00gster: vga=XXX on bootup ? |
| 21:54.22 | d00gster | ok |
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| 21:54.43 | MangosDebian | d00gster: vga=791 is 1024x768, not sure what color depth though |
| 21:55.10 | blackbird | any one convert videos for their psp using debian here|| |
| 21:55.31 | Zheuz | going to try this "update-grub, else remove the vmlinux-`unamr -r` for the bad one and run update-grub " |
| 21:55.44 | blackbird | coz i sure would like o know how |
| 21:56.17 | MangosDebian | Zheuz: if you just rmeove the vmlinux and update you will be fine. grub will tell you what menu items its left with |
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| 21:57.00 | Zheuz | you mean remove the vmlinuz file that's giving me the problemas? |
| 21:57.40 | sandman | Say, why isn't kqemu-common a dependency of kqemu? |
| 21:58.04 | streuner | sandman: because the maint decided so |
| 21:58.23 | sandman | streuner: It's fine by me, it was just a bit confusing at first. |
| 21:58.29 | sandman | For a while I thought kqemu was working, but it wasn't :) |
| 21:58.33 | sandman | Had to install kqemu-common. |
| 21:58.46 | streuner | file a bug report? |
| 21:59.28 | sandman | streuner: Can dependencies be changed in the Stable distribution? |
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| 22:00.08 | streuner | usually security issues, dunno about others |
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| 22:00.20 | sandman | Aye. Well, that's where the trouble is :) |
| 22:00.41 | MangosDebian | Zheuz: ya, if you remove it and update-grub you should get rid of it |
| 22:00.42 | sandman | A lot of people are of the opinion that the package is "broken", or built without kqemu support (qemu, that is) |
| 22:00.52 | blackbird | any one convert vids for psp using ubuntu |
| 22:00.52 | sandman | So they end up just building qemu from source and using checkinstall. |
| 22:01.14 | sandman | But sure, I could send in a bug report. |
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| 22:01.34 | streuner | just ask the maint about, s(he) should know better... |
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| 22:02.30 | blackbird | psp help ...converting vids |
| 22:02.59 | Zheuz | cool :) |
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| 22:03.18 | Zheuz | let me restart! hope I don't get to use a live cd! |
| 22:03.18 | themill | blackbird: I don't think anyone really knows what you're trying to do (and remember that this is #debian not #ubuntu!) |
| 22:03.25 | MangosDebian | Zheuz: no wait! you didnt update-grub alreayd did you?! |
| 22:03.32 | Zheuz | I did! ? |
| 22:03.34 | Zheuz | why? |
| 22:03.38 | Zheuz | lol |
| 22:03.39 | MangosDebian | Zheuz: jk ;p go reboot |
| 22:03.45 | Zheuz | jeje |
| 22:03.52 | Zheuz | gave the chills for 1 sec |
| 22:03.57 | Zheuz | be right back, (i hope) |
| 22:04.04 | MangosDebian | ;) |
| 22:04.17 | blackbird | i joined ubuntu channel though |
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| 22:05.59 | sandman | I see why kqemu-common is non-free and "optional"... kqemu was non-free at the time when kqemu was released. |
| 22:06.13 | sandman | err, excuse me. When "Etch" was released. |
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| 22:06.46 | MangosDebian | sandman: its in etch under 2 different sections? or etch and lenny? |
| 22:06.57 | sandman | As far as I know, just Etch. |
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| 22:07.01 | sandman | I mean, it's fine, it makes sense. |
| 22:07.07 | sandman | But it's definately not obvious :) |
| 22:07.15 | MangosDebian | havent seen a package twice before |
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| 22:08.04 | sandman | Qemu doesn't depend on kqemu. Understandable. Kqemu doesn't depend on qemu, understandable again. After both are installed, and kqemu module is loaded, qemu _doesn't use the module_. You wouldn't know this unless you opened the debug console and entered "info kqemu", which would tell you that it's disabled. |
| 22:08.12 | en1gma | how do i make my fstab make my /media/raid avail to regular user as read only and not write |
| 22:08.15 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/630098 |
| 22:08.31 | sandman | The reason is because of licensing issues, it appears. kqemu was non-free at the time, and so therefore kqemu-common and kqemu are both non-free and optional. |
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| 22:08.53 | sandman | kqemu doesn't depend on kqemu-common, and you must install kqemu-common to actually get qemu to use the module. |
| 22:08.55 | sandman | If all that makes sense. |
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| 22:09.53 | sandman | Yeah. Nothing depends on kqemu-common it also doesn't depend on anything. |
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| 22:09.59 | MangosDebian | en1gma: i believe the man page on mount has syntax to help you with that |
| 22:10.01 | sandman | I think a dependency should have been setup for that or sometihng. |
| 22:10.21 | sandman | I've actually never filed a bug report before... aptitude install reportbug, yes? |
| 22:10.32 | streuner | sure |
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| 22:10.47 | en1gma | <MangosDebian> im sure it does. and if that was the answer everyone gave out then this channel would be used for a/s/l |
| 22:11.14 | xingu | MangosDebian: looks like when I get agressive resizing the SDLgears demo window, it triggers a lockup in the nvidia gl, which kills performance from that point forward (although it doesn't spanner things completely) |
| 22:11.16 | en1gma | <MangosDebian> if you prefer not to help then just be quiet |
| 22:11.45 | xingu | MangosDebian: I'm guessing it leaves some of the pipelines or whatever unavailable. |
| 22:11.53 | streuner | !info kqemu stable |
| 22:12.01 | streuner | dpkg> Package 'kqemu' does not exist. |
| 22:12.11 | sandman | !info kqemu-common stable |
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| 22:12.12 | dpkg | kqemu-common: (Common files for the QEMU Accelerator module), section non-free/misc, is optional. Version: 1.3.0~pre9-12 (etch), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
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| 22:12.31 | sandman | !info qemu stable |
| 22:12.35 | dpkg | qemu: (fast processor emulator), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.8.2-4 (etch), Packaged size: 3589 kB, Installed size: 9804 kB |
| 22:12.40 | MangosDebian | xingu: now is it only slowing down while you trigger the resize event? or just when its enlarged beyond normal size? |
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| 22:12.56 | sandman | !info kqemu-modules-2.6.18-4-k7 stable |
| 22:12.58 | dpkg | kqemu-modules-2.6.18-4-k7: (QEMU Accelerator modules for Linux 2.6.18 on AMD K7), section non-free/admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18+1.3.0~pre9-4 (etch), Packaged size: 42 kB, Installed size: 172 kB |
| 22:13.02 | streuner | sure |
| 22:13.04 | sandman | Those three. |
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| 22:13.09 | valdyn | !depends kqemu-modules-2.6.18-4-k7 stable |
| 22:13.09 | streuner | ok |
| 22:13.10 | dpkg | kqemu-modules-2.6.18-4-k7: depends on linux-modules-2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 22:13.11 | sandman | Check it out in aptitude, look at the dependencies with those. :) |
| 22:13.20 | sandman | !depends kqemu-common |
| 22:13.22 | dpkg | kqemu-common: does not depend on anything |
| 22:13.30 | sandman | See? |
| 22:13.34 | sandman | Totally outside the loop. |
| 22:13.37 | xingu | MangosDebian: when the fault triggers the whole world comes to a standstill (no display updates at all) for say 5-10s; then blip, error logged to syslog, and we're sort-of back with crippled performance |
| 22:13.40 | sandman | And it's required for kqemu to work. |
| 22:13.42 | valdyn | sandman: sure., file a bug report. |
| 22:13.58 | xingu | MangosDebian: as to how to trigger the fault - just grab the corner of the SDLgears window and swizz it about a bit |
| 22:14.02 | MangosDebian | xingu: oh, theres a segfault? |
| 22:14.29 | MangosDebian | thouht it was just bad fps orginally |
| 22:14.35 | xingu | MangosDebian: NVRM: Xid (0001:00): 13, 0003 beef5f01 0000009f 00000308 026703b3 00000010 <-- the usual nvidia context-free crap |
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| 22:14.43 | themill | sandman: why is kqemu-common required? |
| 22:14.54 | themill | sandman: it contains nothing... |
| 22:14.55 | xingu | MangosDebian: bad fps is the symptom of all this having happened it seems; now I have a reliable way to trigger it at least locally. |
| 22:15.07 | MangosDebian | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.19 | valdyn | themill: it sets up permissions / udev settings ? |
| 22:15.28 | xingu | MangosDebian: yup. |
| 22:15.28 | valdyn | themill: ( i dont really know, just guessing ) |
| 22:15.46 | themill | sandman: dpkg -L shows noly doc files and a modprobe.d file that doesn't say anything you couldn't' type yourself. |
| 22:15.47 | MangosDebian | xingu: which drivers are you using? latest from nvidia? |
| 22:15.52 | xingu | MangosDebian: yup |
| 22:15.56 | themill | valdyn: ^^^ |
| 22:16.07 | sandman | themill: Install it, and it'll create a devnode, as well. |
| 22:16.08 | xingu | MangosDebian: actually, latest packaged in sid, which turn out to be current nvidia stable |
| 22:16.17 | streuner | sandman: he is right, http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=kqemu-common&version=stable&arch=all |
| 22:16.17 | MangosDebian | xingu: and what about the libs it needs? latest from sid? |
| 22:16.24 | xingu | MangosDebian: yep all up to date. |
| 22:16.33 | valdyn | !recommends kqemu-modules-2.6.18-4-k7 stable |
| 22:16.35 | dpkg | kqemu-modules-2.6.18-4-k7: has nothing about recommends |
| 22:16.45 | sandman | themill: And also, try this: Install qemu, kqemu, and run qemu after running modprobe kqemu. In the debug console, after starting a qemu session, type "info kqemu". It will return that it is disabled. |
| 22:16.49 | MangosDebian | xingu: well, try a beta driver i guess and file a bug report is about the best you could hope for i guess |
| 22:16.50 | xingu | MangosDebian: one for the nvidia forum I think now that I have a reproducable |
| 22:16.58 | MangosDebian | ya |
| 22:17.08 | MangosDebian | gratz |
| 22:17.09 | sandman | Then install kqemu-common. Following that, start qemu again, open up the debug console and enter info kqemu. It will then say it is enabled. |
| 22:17.45 | sandman | So unless I'm missing something here, kqemu-common should really be installed with the kqemu modules. |
| 22:18.55 | sandman | kqemu-common doesn't list the devnode that it installs because it creates it from a script |
| 22:18.57 | xingu | MangosDebian: did learn one thing though; /etc/X11/XvMCConfig needs to be fiddled with if you have hw xvmc support :) |
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| 22:19.41 | MangosDebian | xingu: good to know. but hopefully that doesnt apply to ATi drivers when I cross that road |
| 22:19.42 | themill | sandman: the devnode is created from postinst. You could do that yourself so kqemu-common is probably not really a dependency. |
| 22:19.53 | themill | sandman: (but it's a bloody good idea to have it ;) ) |
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| 22:20.19 | themill | sandman: perhaps a recommends.... dunno |
| 22:20.26 | sandman | themill: I'm sure a lot of people could do it themselves. I was just saying, a lot of people think the debian package is either broken or built without kqemu support, so they end up just building it from source and using checkinstall, from what I've seen. |
| 22:20.41 | sandman | themill: Yeah, at least that would be appropriate, I'd think. |
| 22:20.51 | xingu | MangosDebian: just updating my chroot playpen so I can compare apples/apples for a xvmc vs opengl bakeoff on mpeg video. |
| 22:21.05 | sandman | And I really don't think using checkinstall is going to help us that much with QA. |
| 22:21.24 | MangosDebian | xingu: mpeg using gl? or you running compiz? |
| 22:21.26 | sandman | In fact, it won't at all. They'll just end up sending bugreports to upstream them, and will then filter down to us. I don't think that's as helpful as having it sent directly to us. |
| 22:21.46 | sandman | Ah well. Sending bugreport now.. |
| 22:21.49 | themill | sandman: yep... I used to do that all the time. I agree with you that it probably should be a depends though. Just somewhere in policy it will come up with it not being a dep. And yes... checkinstall doesn't really help with having a stable system! |
| 22:22.17 | xingu | MangosDebian: opengl output driver for libxine stuff (gxine); yes, using beryl, but makes no difference; it's just an output driver |
| 22:22.48 | themill | I am finally allowed to kill off RHEL from my desktop at work (work stopped paying for updates as of last week). Fresh install or debootstrap? I'm thinking fresh install might be the way to go... other opinions? |
| 22:23.04 | MangosDebian | xingu: sounds like I got a lot to catch up with for X |
| 22:23.20 | xingu | MangosDebian: :) it's moving along at a rate of knots these days |
| 22:23.21 | streuner | themill: if you could use d-i, just use that |
| 22:23.35 | stoned | I love it too |
| 22:23.46 | MangosDebian | xingu: well, at least you dont have to set your modelines manually anymore |
| 22:23.49 | xingu | sandman: kudos for the #ronpaul :) |
| 22:24.09 | themill | streuner: that as my plan. I get the impression that debootstrap is really only designed for high availability systems |
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| 22:24.46 | streuner | debootstrap is designed as the *last* option to install Debian, not more or not less |
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| 22:24.57 | themill | streuner: sounds fair |
| 22:25.21 | sandman | xingu: Indeed, I am a Dr. No supporter. :) |
| 22:25.33 | MangosDebian | themill: welcome to the dark side |
| 22:25.44 | streuner | MangosDebian: haha |
| 22:26.30 | themill | MangosDebian: no no.. the light... I see the light... |
| 22:26.56 | MangosDebian | themill: thats just the broucher we use to reel them in |
| 22:27.26 | MangosDebian | themill: ;) jk, welcome to the family |
| 22:27.38 | themill | MangosDebian: I've been using Debian for almost 10 years so I was rather unhappy when work brought out this "must use RHEL" policy... and the "why" was "because we've paid for it" and "because updates are better". |
| 22:27.40 | sandman | Hm. As I've never filed a bugreport before for Debian (I've actually never had to in about 6 years of using it :), I had a question about where to report it... should I report the bug against the source package, as it is something that appears to be an issue with several of the binary forms? It appears kqemu-modules-2.6.18-4-[686,486,k7] all have the same issue in Etch. |
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| 22:28.23 | streuner | Dont care much, if the bug report is RC, they would tell you ;-) |
| 22:28.27 | MangosDebian | themill: ahh. well if I paid for something I would wanna keep using it too, lest I want to look silly |
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| 22:28.32 | sandman | Aye. |
| 22:28.51 | streuner | (or in other words, if the bugreports is BS, they just throw it away) :-) |
| 22:29.00 | themill | MangosDebian: you should have heard the mixture of laughter and crying at that lovely reasoning. |
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| 22:29.54 | MangosDebian | themill: glad I could send a virtual giggle to you guys |
| 22:30.07 | sandman | If I don't feel comfortable giving out my real name in bug reports, can I just use my IRC handle here? |
| 22:30.18 | sandman | I noticed a lot of people just use their real name... |
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| 22:30.25 | themill | sandman: you need a real email address though |
| 22:30.29 | streuner | no, just use your real name |
| 22:30.29 | sandman | Right. |
| 22:30.42 | sandman | streuner: lol okay :) |
| 22:30.42 | streuner | something else isnt fair |
| 22:30.48 | sandman | Why hehe |
| 22:31.02 | sandman | Well, alright. |
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| 22:31.57 | MangosDebian | sandman: I keep trying to tell people that my name is Ian, my wife is Debbie and I like mangos, but do you think anyone believes ne? NO! |
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| 22:35.14 | sandman | Well... I'm going to have to make accommodations here. I can't tie my real name to my e-mail for various reasons... but what I could do is setup a mailservice on my machine here, setup MX routing with dyndns.org, and enter that as my e-mail. |
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| 22:35.32 | sandman | I'm sure that'll be reasonable. |
| 22:35.38 | kantor | hi, the fuse and ntfs-3g are not almost the same things I mean ntfs-3g uses fuse to mount ntfs file systems? |
| 22:37.09 | streuner | Just use your real name or dont use reportbug at all |
| 22:37.27 | streuner | if you think its important just mail the maint about |
| 22:37.44 | streuner | if you dont want use your real name |
| 22:38.00 | streuner | in BTS |
| 22:38.07 | MangosDebian | sandman: here's a concept. Lie |
| 22:38.25 | MangosDebian | sandman: you think your the only one doing it? :) |
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| 22:39.45 | ccvp | (breaking news)(ap/reuters) - Iran has launched a nuclear attack against Tel Aviv Israel, causing widescale devastation. Reuters is receiving reports of upwards of 3million deaths. Details Soon. |
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| 22:41.19 | streuner | o_O troll! |
| 22:41.27 | MangosDebian | yup |
| 22:41.28 | streuner | ccvp: fuck off and die |
| 22:42.33 | streuner | !tell yomguy about away |
| 22:42.44 | Kurt_Neuenfeldt | !tell streuner about away |
| 22:42.49 | streuner | !ops Kurt_Neuenfeldt trolling |
| 22:42.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: streuner complains about: Kurt_Neuenfeldt trolling |
| 22:43.06 | Kurt_Neuenfeldt | !ops streuner trolling |
| 22:43.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: kurt_neuenfeldt complains about: streuner trolling |
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| 22:44.13 | mavhc | if you're going to troll at least be funny |
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| 22:44.24 | daniel29 | Hello all |
| 22:44.40 | MangosDebian | mavhc: tell me about it |
| 22:46.20 | daniel29 | anyone using a cross dev kit i386 => ARM? |
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| 22:47.22 | MangosDebian | sounds like a no |
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| 22:48.29 | streuner | MangosDebian: he is right, he isnt one of the clever trolls ;-) |
| 22:48.56 | xingu | daniel29: http://kegel.com/crosstool/ |
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| 22:49.17 | MangosDebian | streuner: im surprised he's still around. guess the opers are busy elsewhere |
| 22:49.39 | streuner | no, they usually dont do my suggestions ;-) |
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| 22:50.30 | MangosDebian | streuner: I think they have a bigger fish to fry atm |
| 22:50.41 | streuner | sure, could be too |
| 22:50.48 | streuner | wb(r) abrotman :-) |
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| 22:50.55 | MangosDebian | takes extra combined brain power to handle some stuff |
| 22:51.06 | abrotman | hi |
| 22:51.12 | mavhc | could we purchase some kind of automatic fish fryer? |
| 22:51.17 | MangosDebian | abrotman: howdy |
| 22:51.23 | abrotman | hi |
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| 22:51.38 | MangosDebian | mavhc: then you put the cooks out of work |
| 22:51.39 | xingu | mavhc: yeah, but the VAT would kill you |
| 22:51.46 | Mauna_Loa_ | hi. I'm running debian lenny and in the last 4 days I did not receive any automatic updates. Is this happening to everyone or is my system broken? |
| 22:52.08 | sandman | Mauna_Loa_: Try running "apt-get update" in a root console. |
| 22:52.27 | MangosDebian | Mauna_Loa_: lol, sounds like you want bugs |
| 22:52.32 | huck_2000 | when I create a !#/bin/bash file with a sudo command, it doesn't work at startup, nor does it work as a button. What's the secret to this? I need it to "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" at startup |
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| 22:53.07 | Mauna_Loa_ | sandman: I did many "aptitude update" in the last days... |
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| 22:53.10 | peterS | I know he already shut up, but you never know, he could decide to try that crap again |
| 22:53.13 | MangosDebian | peterS: ahh, wb |
| 22:53.16 | sandman | Mauna_Loa_: Does it give any errors? |
| 22:53.16 | streuner | thanks peterS |
| 22:53.21 | krazykit | huck_2000, add ndiswrapper to /etc/modules |
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| 22:53.36 | nanonyme | huck_2000: eh, you probably meant #! ? |
| 22:53.46 | Mauna_Loa_ | sandman: no, it does not give any errors |
| 22:53.47 | huck_2000 | krazykit: ok, .... yes #! your right |
| 22:53.55 | huck_2000 | krazykit: I'll try it now |
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| 22:54.29 | sandman | Then I'm don't think there's a problem. Or maybe it's your mirror; perhaps it's slow to sync with the primary mirrors? |
| 22:54.35 | sandman | Are you using a secondary mirror, I should ask? |
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| 22:55.14 | en1gma | j ##linux |
| 22:55.16 | en1gma | grrr |
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| 22:56.55 | Mauna_Loa_ | sandman: I'm using the most common mirrors, I think |
| 22:57.27 | Mauna_Loa_ | sandman: like these: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 22:57.27 | Mauna_Loa_ | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 22:58.03 | abrotman | !Mirrors |
| 22:58.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
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| 22:58.53 | huck_2000 | krazykit: thanks! That did the trick! |
| 22:59.34 | darkstego | hi, how do I convince pmount-hal to automount ntfs partitions with ntfs-3g driver rather than the ntfs ones |
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| 23:02.02 | dureyes | is it safe to delete all the contents from the folder "tmp" ? and if so what would be the command. |
| 23:02.18 | abrotman | dureyes: it's done automagically on every boot |
| 23:02.47 | peterS | dureyes: well, certain processes on your system may fail because they are still using some of your temporary files. launching new X apps may not work. other than that ... fine |
| 23:02.48 | MangosDebian | dureyes: /tmp is memory based on etch+ |
| 23:02.57 | dureyes | abrotman: ok..have not boot in a while, thanks |
| 23:03.47 | peterS | dureyes: I suggest: find /tmp -type f -mtime +2 -print0 | xargs -0r rm -f |
| 23:03.56 | peterS | dureyes: this will remove only regular files, at least 2 days old |
| 23:04.12 | dureyes | thanks all......... |
| 23:04.12 | MangosDebian | peterS: wow, pulled that one out of the hat fast enough |
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| 23:04.26 | peterS | actually use -atime rather than -mtime, then you're only getting files that haven't even been _read_ for 2 days |
| 23:04.48 | peterS | MangosDebian: it's a straightforward command, so yeah, I can come up with it as fast as I can type all that punctuation (: |
| 23:04.58 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 23:05.14 | MangosDebian | i never found much need for {m,a}time's |
| 23:05.21 | peterS | MangosDebian: I did have to think for a moment to remember which xargs flag means "don't do this at all if no input is found" - it is -r |
| 23:05.40 | MangosDebian | ya, never seen the -r myself yet |
| 23:05.49 | peterS | short for --no-run-if-empty |
| 23:06.02 | peterS | so you don't end up running "rm -f" by itself if there happen to be no files found |
| 23:06.08 | MangosDebian | cool |
| 23:06.12 | peterS | basically just saves a little error message from rm (: |
| 23:06.41 | MangosDebian | i always build my pipes up with echos and test the values first anyways so I havent run into that problem yet |
| 23:06.53 | peterS | but in other situations, the result of trying to run some command without any input files is different, like if you're doing cat, it will try to read from stdin, so you really do want to avoid it when there are no files to act on |
| 23:07.28 | MangosDebian | that would be the exception |
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| 23:07.43 | MangosDebian | i tend to out to a tmp file and continue on more complex joins |
| 23:07.58 | MangosDebian | where it makes sense anyways |
| 23:08.00 | peterS | MangosDebian: no files? will happen if you run the same /tmp-cleaner one-liner twice in a row, for example (: |
| 23:08.18 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 23:08.31 | MangosDebian | i would use ech's in that case to see the commands about to rm stuff |
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| 23:08.53 | MangosDebian | then i would look everything over before removing the echo's |
| 23:09.00 | peterS | but I have ... 12 minutes ... to take a shower and walk over to the studio to prepare to teach a dance lesson. the walk will take about 4 minutes, which doesn't leave much time, so I'll catch you guys later. |
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| 23:09.27 | MangosDebian | l8r |
| 23:10.57 | silver_wolf | Wow... Dead room |
| 23:11.30 | silver_wolf | gotta run... Gonna call the kids! |
| 23:11.44 | MangosDebian | i think everyone at a loss for words from moron earlier |
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| 23:11.48 | Mauna_Loa_ | since one of last week automatic updates, I'm no longer able to log in as another user without logging out of current user. In fact, now I can log in as another user only if first log out of the current user. I'm talking about logging in and out on gnome. Anyone knows if this is a new bug, or what can be dome to solve this issue? |
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| 23:13.03 | MangosDebian | Mauna_Loa_: /etc/security/limits.conf? pam? |
| 23:13.27 | MangosDebian | running lenny btw? |
| 23:16.29 | Mauna_Loa_ | MangosDebian: I've checked those files and I don't see any restrictions. Besides, I didn't changed anything... |
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| 23:16.49 | MangosDebian | Mauna_Loa_: I asked if you ran lenny for a reason :) |
| 23:16.55 | MangosDebian | <-- etch |
| 23:17.07 | MangosDebian | ie: I wouldnt know wtf lenny does |
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| 23:17.20 | MangosDebian | all clearer now? :) |
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| 23:18.12 | MangosDebian | Mauna_Loa_: guess it could be a gnome thing. just don't recall anything that could affect that. sorry I couldnt be of more help though |
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| 23:19.26 | Mauna_Loa_ | MangosDebian: I run lenny cause I like to have a system with more up to date packages. But I have also another computer with debian etch |
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| 23:20.29 | MangosDebian | Mauna_Loa_: so it is the lenny box doing it? |
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| 23:20.40 | stoned | hi guys |
| 23:20.59 | streuner | dpkg, say hello stoned |
| 23:20.59 | dpkg | hello stoned |
| 23:21.18 | peterS | wow, all the past participle adjectives are here at once (mangos, stoned) |
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| 23:22.04 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 23:22.34 | MangosDebian | peterS: insight is 20/20 :) |
| 23:23.07 | Mauna_Loa_ | MangosDebian: Yes, it is a lenny box problem. May be my system is broken, cause I have two problems: I'm no longer ablte to log in into another user without first logging out of current user; and in the last 4 days I didn't received any automatic updates |
| 23:23.09 | MangosDebian | peterS: without it you would be blind ;) |
| 23:23.21 | stoned | peterS: hey man |
| 23:23.36 | stoned | streuner: sup buddy |
| 23:24.08 | stoned | !tickle streuner |
| 23:24.12 | stoned | ugh |
| 23:24.42 | Sache | debian easy like ubuntu? |
| 23:24.43 | MangosDebian | Mauna_Loa_: have you played with pam at all by chance or changed gdm settings? also, what about X vs. console logings? ssh? ftp? etc. or is it every user now matter what method? |
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| 23:24.57 | streuner | Sache: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 23:25.04 | Sache | for home use? |
| 23:25.15 | Sache | ok |
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| 23:25.22 | streuner | for _everything_ ! |
| 23:25.45 | MangosDebian | streuner: thats the spirit |
| 23:26.07 | stoned | not really |
| 23:26.09 | streuner | MangosDebian: sure, what else, we are in #Debian ;-) |
| 23:26.10 | stoned | well maybe |
| 23:26.17 | stoned | I could program a computer with debian that can wipe my ass |
| 23:26.19 | stoned | that would be nice |
| 23:27.18 | Mauna_Loa_ | MangosDebian: I dind't played with pam, and I don't changed gdm settings.I can do console logins. I didn't checked ssh but I'm almost sure it is only a gnome thing. I only have two users. In order to logging into the other user now I must first leave gnome (log out from current user) |
| 23:27.32 | MangosDebian | streuner: anything else would be heresey :) |
| 23:28.15 | sandman | Must one run their own dhcpd to allow dhcp functionality to the VLANs used by qemu? |
| 23:28.23 | sandman | It doesn't appear that qemu comes with one built in. |
| 23:28.35 | MangosDebian | Mauna_Loa_: so "switch users" doesnt work, is that your problem? |
| 23:28.42 | Mauna_Loa_ | MangosDebian: when I try to log in into another user, in gnome, these are the errors I get: "gdm_child_action: Aborting display :-1" ;cannot start new display |
| 23:28.53 | stoned | child? |
| 23:28.54 | stoned | abortion? |
| 23:28.57 | stoned | thats bad stuff man |
| 23:29.00 | stoned | bad stuff indeed. |
| 23:29.15 | Sache | how to list all freenode channels? |
| 23:29.18 | streuner | MangosDebian: sure, or why do you are actually in #debian then ;-) |
| 23:29.23 | stoned | Sache: /list |
| 23:29.47 | Mauna_Loa_ | MangosDebian: yes, "switch users" and "aplications -> system tools -> New Login" don't work |
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| 23:30.23 | illsci | hey i have a intel core 2 quad cpu |
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| 23:30.33 | MangosDebian | Mauna_Loa_: well, thats a new error to me. Im wondering why it has -1 though. Is there no setting for gdm to setup a second X server somewhere? I can seem to recall something about new ones in the configuration |
| 23:30.44 | illsci | what ios should i get... the ubuntu iso's say to use amd64 but should I get ia64 debian iso? |
| 23:31.16 | abrotman | MangosDebian: there is |
| 23:31.21 | abrotman | illsci: why? |
| 23:31.24 | MangosDebian | streuner: statistics :) |
| 23:31.35 | illsci | abrotman: because I need to download an iso and reinstall |
| 23:31.38 | stoned | oh shoot, I just rolled one up and now I can't find it |
| 23:31.46 | illsci | abrotman: and i need to use the right arch...? |
| 23:31.51 | stoned | illsci: you rich sob |
| 23:31.54 | abrotman | illsci: why would it be different for a different OS? |
| 23:32.01 | MangosDebian | streuner: and because I need them to prove something ;) |
| 23:32.02 | streuner | MangosDebian: ah, you want to be at the top of debstats, that makes sense then :-) |
| 23:32.09 | stoned | illsci: !debstats |
| 23:32.12 | stoned | er.. |
| 23:32.12 | stoned | oops |
| 23:32.13 | illsci | abrotman: well I wouldn't think it would be different... i was surprised that it was amd64 |
| 23:32.16 | stoned | !debstats |
| 23:32.16 | dpkg | from memory, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 23:32.26 | MangosDebian | and boy has it been a great day for them :) |
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| 23:32.27 | abrotman | illsci: oh come on .. think about it |
| 23:32.35 | Mauna_Loa_ | MangosDebian: where can I check if there is a setting to setup a second X server? I'm also wondering why it has -1 |
| 23:32.40 | illsci | abrotman: its not an amd cpu... |
| 23:32.45 | stoned | oh god |
| 23:32.52 | abrotman | so what |
| 23:32.55 | illsci | abrotman: i thought intel' |
| 23:32.58 | stoned | mindless abortman chatterings |
| 23:33.12 | stoned | we're top on debstats, wow, we're sooooo cool |
| 23:33.12 | illsci | intels 64bit cpu's were ia64 and amds were amd64 |
| 23:33.21 | streuner | !ia64 |
| 23:33.21 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
| 23:33.23 | Minataku | I need assistance with booting Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 on a Personal DECstation 5000/33, the issue being that it insists on booting the R4000 kernel which will not work on an R3000 machine. |
| 23:33.28 | Minataku | !pmax |
| 23:33.28 | dpkg | methinks pmax is an old architecture by Digital (now Compaq) that is still around because DEC used to build good machines back then. Some are running for 15 years without hardware problems, and others have been reported to work despite ants, water and directed gunfire. |
| 23:33.28 | stoned | intel's 64 is EM64T which can use AMD64 |
| 23:33.53 | streuner | so find out its EM64T or NOT |
| 23:33.54 | MangosDebian | Mauna_Loa_: if you give me a minute I can boot up a vm etch box and at least check out the menu to compare |
| 23:33.59 | stoned | what? |
| 23:34.01 | jamesbrink_ | does anyone here use the ssh module in webmin? |
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| 23:34.05 | stoned | core 2 can use AMD64 |
| 23:34.11 | stoned | no need to find out anything |
| 23:34.14 | MangosDebian | Mauna_Loa_: atm im sitting 10' away straining my eyes to read this on a console :) |
| 23:34.20 | stoned | ALL c2d chips can do amd64 |
| 23:34.35 | Mauna_Loa_ | MangosDebian: thanks, you are very kind! |
| 23:34.49 | abrotman | jamesbrink_: webmin isn't in debian |
| 23:34.49 | Minataku | !mipsel |
| 23:34.50 | dpkg | well, mipsel is one of the supported debian architectures http://www.debian.org/ports/mipsel/ |
| 23:34.53 | Minataku | !delo |
| 23:35.00 | stoned | !selftell |
| 23:35.00 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 23:35.14 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 23:35.14 | dpkg | from memory, dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 23:35.19 | jamesbrink_ | abrotman i know that sucks huh |
| 23:35.25 | abrotman | it's the best thing ever |
| 23:35.27 | jamesbrink_ | why is that again? |
| 23:35.32 | abrotman | because webmin is shit |
| 23:35.37 | jamesbrink_ | hmm |
| 23:35.43 | jamesbrink_ | does debian have a replacement for it |
| 23:35.43 | stoned | jamesbrink_: webmin is a piece of shit |
| 23:35.45 | illsci | stoned: is there a arch specific for this cpu though...? |
| 23:35.53 | abrotman | jamesbrink_: ssh and vi |
| 23:35.54 | stoned | illsci: you want what exactly? |
| 23:36.04 | Minataku | Okay, that didn't work, so |
| 23:36.05 | Minataku | !delo |
| 23:36.10 | abrotman | Minataku: msg the bot |
| 23:36.13 | Minataku | I tried that |
| 23:36.14 | jamesbrink_ | abrotman well i need somthing for people who dont know linux for dns amidnistration |
| 23:36.17 | Minataku | It didn't respond |
| 23:36.19 | abrotman | Minataku: /msg dpkg hi |
| 23:36.22 | stoned | !tell Minataku -about msg the bot |
| 23:36.25 | abrotman | jamesbrink_: then they shouldn't be |
| 23:36.33 | jamesbrink_ | your a fucking moron |
| 23:36.35 | MangosDebian | Mauna_Loa_: k, up and running, sec |
| 23:36.37 | abrotman | you're |
| 23:36.39 | Minataku | Look, can you just tell me how to boot the R3000 kernel on my Personal DECstation 5000/33 ? |
| 23:36.49 | illsci | stoned: the most correct iso to get... you said "can use amd64" can it use another 64 bit arch? |
| 23:36.56 | abrotman | jamesbrink_: if you want to use webmin .. that's fine .. don't ask us about it |
| 23:36.56 | streuner | abrotman: hehe |
| 23:37.03 | MangosDebian | Mauna_Loa_: admin menu-> login window where im heading first i guess |
| 23:37.04 | streuner | !webmin |
| 23:37.05 | dpkg | i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality |
| 23:37.06 | abrotman | illsci: amd64 or i386 |
| 23:37.07 | Minataku | It seems to absolutely refuse any boot options |
| 23:37.18 | stoned | illsci: with Core 2 Duo/Quad you want AMD64 |
| 23:37.22 | jamesbrink_ | why not its on one of my debian installs |
| 23:37.32 | abrotman | because it's not a debian package |
| 23:37.34 | illsci | tahnks |
| 23:37.39 | jamesbrink_ | yeah it was |
| 23:37.40 | abrotman | it's not something any sane admin would use |
| 23:37.44 | abrotman | !info webmin stable |
| 23:37.45 | stoned | you are welcome |
| 23:37.48 | illsci | webmin is lame |
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| 23:37.51 | abrotman | !+info webmin stable |
| 23:37.52 | dpkg | Package 'webmin' does not exist. |
| 23:37.54 | streuner | no |
| 23:38.03 | streuner | its out since sarge |
| 23:38.09 | MangosDebian | Mauna_Loa_: security -> configure X server. what you got in there? |
| 23:38.13 | Minataku | I'm on a serial console, BTW |
| 23:38.24 | streuner | abrotman: we threw it out in ages... |
| 23:38.37 | abrotman | streuner: why are you telling me ? |
| 23:38.39 | jamesbrink_ | what is so shitty about it? |
| 23:38.46 | streuner | because you asked? |
| 23:38.46 | Firestarter- | anyone here use a Nokia E62 with linux? |
| 23:38.46 | illsci | does dec use a different boot loader like milo or something |
| 23:38.50 | Minataku | delo |
| 23:38.51 | illsci | i had an old hp i think that used that |
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| 23:39.01 | stoned | webmin is a pos |
| 23:39.01 | abrotman | the alphas have srm and arc |
| 23:39.03 | abrotman | some of them |
| 23:39.04 | Minataku | It constantly attempts to boot the R4000 kernel |
| 23:39.07 | streuner | abrotman: oh, a statement, iam pretty slow today |
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| 23:39.12 | stoned | its not totally useless, but is it not secure |
| 23:39.20 | jamesbrink_ | yeah i have been told its a pos, but why |
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| 23:39.21 | Minataku | abrotman: This is a MAXINE machine, part of MIPSEL |
| 23:39.28 | abrotman | ah .. not an alpha .. okay |
| 23:39.32 | Mauna_Loa_ | MangosDebian: Yes, but there's nothing bad on my admin menu -> login window. I have checked everything on that configuration |
| 23:39.37 | stoned | are you fucking serious man |
| 23:39.40 | stoned | I just told you |
| 23:39.43 | stoned | like 5 seconds ago |
| 23:39.48 | stoned | just now |
| 23:39.51 | jamesbrink_ | how is it not secure it uses ssl doesnt it |
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| 23:40.00 | stoned | alright |
| 23:40.05 | Minataku | But yes, it won't take any input and constantly loads the R4000 kernel |
| 23:40.06 | stoned | you wanna use it? go for it. |
| 23:40.16 | Minataku | Which, of course, will not boot on an R3000 :3 |
| 23:40.19 | jamesbrink_ | you have not told me any reason why its a pos |
| 23:40.27 | illsci | jamesbrink.... its just another web application with bugs |
| 23:40.27 | stoned | so use it |
| 23:40.41 | illsci | why would you put it in control of your os |
| 23:40.44 | Mauna_Loa_ | MangosDebian: Server name: Standard server |
| 23:40.46 | stoned | don't come crying to us when shit goes fucking pear shaped |
| 23:40.55 | ricky | jamesbrink_: Well, http://webmin.com/security.html is a joke... that's reason enough for me. |
| 23:41.03 | jamesbrink_ | stoned you still have not given me 1 reason |
| 23:41.12 | Mauna_Loa_ | MangosDebian: Command: /usr/bin/X -dpi 96 -audit 0 |
| 23:41.14 | stoned | I have given you a reason. |
| 23:41.19 | MangosDebian | Mauna_Loa_: ya, seems like that menu would be unrelated doesnt it. I got logins handled by this computer though but i dont know what that all means in this case though |
| 23:41.21 | illsci | jamesbrink_: reason one, bugs in web applications |
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| 23:41.41 | jamesbrink_ | ok thanks illsci |
| 23:41.42 | MangosDebian | Mauna_Loa_: i was able to switch users just fine though. guess its off to x conf's next |
| 23:41.48 | Mauna_Loa_ | MangosDebian: Launch Greeter; Priority: 0 |
| 23:41.53 | jamesbrink_ | i guess ill just have to filter the traffic |
| 23:41.58 | jamesbrink_ | anything else i should know about it |
| 23:42.07 | abrotman | you shouldn't use it |
| 23:42.14 | illsci | yeah any other admin that knows you use it will pick on you behind your back |
| 23:42.20 | jamesbrink_ | lmao |
| 23:42.24 | illsci | and you will get laughed at on irc |
| 23:42.26 | abrotman | it's not funny |
| 23:42.34 | jamesbrink_ | hell yeah it is |
| 23:43.00 | ricky | Did we mention that it's an unnecessary risk if you have SSH access, for example? |
| 23:43.01 | abrotman | Minataku: have you attempted to ask on the mipsel mailing list or #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net ? |
| 23:43.11 | Mauna_Loa_ | MangosDebian: thanks for your help. I think maybe it's only a matter of waiting fot the new update... maybe this is only some bug that will be corrected |
| 23:43.17 | stoned | jamesbrink_: f you wanna click, click. But dont go configuring a server (which is what you do with it right?) with a super exploited, pretty poorly updated program. |
| 23:43.21 | Minataku | abrotman: No |
| 23:43.27 | abrotman | Minataku: i don't see anyhting in the install manual about picking a kernel .. |
| 23:43.35 | stoned | and not to mention, crappily coded |
| 23:43.35 | jamesbrink_ | stoned why not? |
| 23:43.36 | MangosDebian | Mauna_Loa_: np. how you get it working |
| 23:43.40 | Minataku | abrotman: The manual seems to be completely useless in this case |
| 23:43.46 | abrotman | Personal DECstation 5000/xx R3000 Maxine r3k-kn02 |
| 23:43.46 | abrotman | Personal DECstation 5000/50 R4000 Maxine r4k-kn04 |
| 23:43.58 | stoned | jamesbrink_: what part of poorly updated/coded and high exploited do you not understand? |
| 23:44.04 | Minataku | It only talks about tftp, which I'm not using |
| 23:44.13 | jamesbrink_ | the part about why i should not use it |
| 23:44.39 | Mauna_Loa_ | MangosDebian: np ? |
| 23:44.42 | illsci | why do you want to use it? |
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| 23:44.57 | MangosDebian | Mauna_Loa_: no problem |
| 23:44.57 | jamesbrink_ | i dont really |
| 23:44.59 | NetGangsta | how can I fix a static network ip in centos ? |
| 23:45.04 | NetGangsta | no in debian |
| 23:45.05 | jamesbrink_ | but other people need to be able to admin the dns |
| 23:45.07 | stoned | jamesbrink_: you're now trolling. Youve been given two options. Either use it, or don't. What are you arguing about now? |
| 23:45.08 | NetGangsta | like I want 192.168.1.102 |
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| 23:45.14 | Minataku | Oh, well |
| 23:45.17 | en1gma | sup all |
| 23:45.20 | ricky | jamesbrink_: Because somebody could exploit poorly updated/coded web apps and kill your computer. |
| 23:45.36 | Minataku | Thanks for trying, abrotman, but it's passed the trouble threshold (for tonight, anyway) |
| 23:45.40 | jamesbrink_ | ricky that wont happen |
| 23:45.46 | stoned | then use it and shush |
| 23:45.48 | stoned | ffs |
| 23:45.51 | Minataku | Sorry to bother you all |
| 23:45.54 | abrotman | Minataku: i don't blame you .. some of those more rare architectures are a pain |
| 23:46.02 | abrotman | Minataku: i'd ask the mailing list for the arch |
| 23:46.02 | stoned | afaik webmin is no long supported in stable |
| 23:46.07 | en1gma | im trying to unrar some files on my windows partition that i had previously but debian isnt doing it....is there 1 package that does it all so if i click on any type of file it will unrar, unzip it automatically |
| 23:46.07 | jamesbrink_ | well is there any other good way of administering dns |
| 23:46.09 | stoned | therefore, #debian will not support it |
| 23:46.10 | illsci | there are lots of ways to hand out dns admin rights... sudo, delegate them their own domains, some other form of role based access |
| 23:46.11 | abrotman | vi! |
| 23:46.12 | stoned | I could be wrong |
| 23:46.15 | stoned | but I doubt it |
| 23:46.22 | Minataku | abrotman: I'll try that out, sure, that should work :3 |
| 23:46.23 | jamesbrink_ | for people who dont know how to use linux |
| 23:46.25 | ricky | How about we just say OFF TOPIC! And leave it at that? :) |
| 23:46.27 | abrotman | nano! |
| 23:46.27 | NetGangsta | how can I fix a static network ip |
| 23:46.29 | NetGangsta | like I want 192.168.1.102 |
| 23:46.30 | Minataku | Thanks again and sorry to bother ^^ |
| 23:46.35 | abrotman | don't apologize :) |
| 23:46.38 | illsci | jamesbrink_ then they shouldnt be administring a linux dns server |
| 23:46.38 | en1gma | i thought kde had something that did this |
| 23:46.40 | stoned | NetGangsta: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 23:46.42 | Minataku | k ^^ |
| 23:46.46 | en1gma | but gnome i dont think has it installed |
| 23:46.46 | jamesbrink_ | illsci why not |
| 23:46.54 | abrotman | Minataku: if you try again tomorrow .. someone might have a better idea |
| 23:46.56 | illsci | because they'll fuck it up |
| 23:46.58 | en1gma | i cant remember the name of it |
| 23:47.08 | abrotman | !tell en1gma about unrar |
| 23:47.09 | jamesbrink_ | well thats why i need webmin or somthing like it |
| 23:47.13 | jamesbrink_ | just for managing the zones |
| 23:47.16 | stoned | illsci: I dont know how to drive a car, but if you give me a screen instead of windshield and joystick instead of steerin wheel, I could do it. |
| 23:47.26 | Minataku | abrotman: That's a good plan too :D |
| 23:47.37 | stoned | webmin is like trying to put wheels on a horse |
| 23:47.49 | Minataku | For now I think I'll go watch Monty Python's Flying Circus |
| 23:47.50 | en1gma | <abrotman> does it do it all from the file manager nautilus |
| 23:47.53 | ricky | Heh. |
| 23:48.00 | en1gma | like if i dbl click a file it will open unrar up |
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| 23:48.13 | stoned | en1gma: file-roller |
| 23:48.16 | abrotman | en1gma: right .. file-roller .. but you still need unrar crap |
| 23:48.21 | abrotman | Minataku: much better idea! |
| 23:48.28 | en1gma | ok |
| 23:48.34 | en1gma | thanks |
| 23:48.36 | Minataku | :) |
| 23:48.56 | stoned | sure |
| 23:49.31 | daniel29 | Hmmm does anyone cross compile from Intel i386 Debian to a debian ARM ? |
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| 23:49.46 | jamesbrink_ | well my other option is somthing like samba to edit config files with notepad or somthing |
| 23:50.00 | illsci | naw just use a different web app made to just manage dns |
| 23:50.04 | en1gma | this has to be the best linux install i have ever done |
| 23:50.04 | stoned | jamesbrink_: debian-administration |
| 23:50.09 | stoned | read and learn |
| 23:50.11 | jamesbrink_ | illsci can you point me to some |
| 23:50.17 | illsci | you can google for some |
| 23:50.21 | abrotman | jamesbrink_: freshmeat.net |
| 23:50.22 | en1gma | i think everything is working (except java) and thats because i have amd64 |
| 23:50.23 | illsci | a friend of mine wrote one.. |
| 23:50.24 | jamesbrink_ | stoned i know how to assmonkey |
| 23:50.26 | illsci | theres probably a ton |
| 23:50.27 | en1gma | i can live with that |
| 23:50.29 | jamesbrink_ | the people i work with dont |
| 23:50.42 | stoned | jamesbrink_: I'm an assmonkey because you can't work a linux machine? |
| 23:50.44 | stoned | wow. |
| 23:50.44 | jamesbrink_ | they are scared |
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| 23:50.50 | stoned | lame |
| 23:50.51 | illsci | en1gma: what did you do about flash ? |
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| 23:50.56 | jamesbrink_ | no your an assmonkey because you dont listen |
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| 23:51.00 | illsci | did you compile a 32 firefox? |
| 23:51.04 | illsci | 32bit i mean |
| 23:51.12 | stoned | jamesbrink_: please refrain from namecalling |
| 23:51.18 | streuner | you're |
| 23:51.29 | en1gma | flash is working just get the firefox plug-in |
| 23:51.34 | jamesbrink_ | i prefer your fo shaw |
| 23:51.40 | illsci | i couldn't find a 64bit one |
| 23:51.46 | en1gma | yea its there |
| 23:51.52 | en1gma | im running sid |
| 23:51.56 | stoned | streuner: you're trying to correct someone who doesn't want to listen to reason |
| 23:51.57 | en1gma | maybe thats the reason |
| 23:52.00 | stoned | streuner: stop wasting your time :) |
| 23:52.03 | illsci | on macromedias site.... i saw some packages.. but i wasnt sure which one was from macromedia |
| 23:52.16 | jamesbrink_ | this is a very hostile channel |
| 23:52.19 | en1gma | you have to get the firefox plug-in |
| 23:52.24 | en1gma | its in the repo |
| 23:52.27 | stoned | jamesbrink_: you are more than welcome to /part |
| 23:52.28 | illsci | werd |
| 23:52.43 | en1gma | <illsci> i wasnt hostile |
| 23:52.46 | illsci | jamesbrink_: just google for it, you'll find one that doesn t suck |
| 23:53.00 | jamesbrink_ | im still looking |
| 23:53.06 | abrotman | jamesbrink_: freshmeat.net |
| 23:53.07 | en1gma | and either was abortman or stoned |
| 23:53.17 | en1gma | lol |
| 23:53.18 | stoned | please baby, spoonfeed me with some gooey pionty clicky stuff |
| 23:53.30 | stoned | cuz I can't be bothered to read a manpage or learn anything |
| 23:53.34 | jamesbrink_ | what is pionty? |
| 23:53.46 | stoned | jamesbrink_: for smart people? its called a typo. |
| 23:53.49 | stoned | for you, its pionty. |
| 23:54.01 | jamesbrink_ | for the i dont know thrid or forth time i know how to configure bind you damn muppet |
| 23:54.10 | illsci | well.... thanks for clearing up the arch questions i had |
| 23:54.16 | abrotman | jamesbrink_: be nice to people |
| 23:54.18 | illsci | good to see irc is still irc :) |
| 23:54.21 | illsci | cya |
| 23:54.21 | stoned | abortman |
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| 23:54.22 | en1gma | uh oh |
| 23:54.23 | stoned | thats hilarious |
| 23:54.28 | stoned | boratman |
| 23:54.30 | streuner | !customer |
| 23:54.30 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 23:54.30 | stoned | lol |
| 23:54.36 | en1gma | anyone know why vlc is making my avis SHAKE |
| 23:54.39 | en1gma | when playing |
| 23:54.46 | streuner | use xine |
| 23:54.47 | stoned | shake? |
| 23:54.48 | stoned | hehe |
| 23:54.52 | stoned | shake yo bootay |
| 23:54.58 | en1gma | its funny but yea i mean really shaking alot |
| 23:55.02 | en1gma | wobble maybe |
| 23:55.06 | stoned | hmm |
| 23:55.08 | en1gma | and not a little....ALOT |
| 23:55.13 | stoned | strange, codec issue? |
| 23:55.19 | abrotman | so stop using it |
| 23:55.20 | stoned | check vlc package bts? |
| 23:55.20 | streuner | surely not |
| 23:55.21 | en1gma | i have never seen this one before |
| 23:55.31 | en1gma | i dont think its a codec |
| 23:55.40 | en1gma | omg if i was stoned i could prob watch it |
| 23:55.42 | stoned | en1gma: check video output plugin? |
| 23:55.47 | en1gma | k 1 sec |
| 23:55.47 | stoned | lol |
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| 23:56.06 | streuner | abrotman: are you trying to be serious today? |
| 23:56.14 | streuner | ;-) |
| 23:56.29 | en1gma | stoned you the man |
| 23:56.34 | stoned | that I am |
| 23:56.37 | stoned | that I am :) |
| 23:56.37 | en1gma | switched it to opengl and all is good |
| 23:56.39 | en1gma | :) |
| 23:56.50 | stoned | try Xv if X11 was fucked |
| 23:56.53 | abrotman | streuner: trying to un-sunday the channel :) |
| 23:56.56 | stoned | I usually use Xv or X11 |
| 23:57.02 | stoned | gl/gl2 don't work right here |
| 23:57.03 | en1gma | alright im gonna kick back and watch a movie on this new debian install |
| 23:57.10 | en1gma | thanks everyone for the help today |
| 23:57.10 | stoned | en1gma: congrats |
| 23:57.13 | streuner | abrotman: *cough* /msg dpkg pemanent sunday :-) |
| 23:57.18 | stoned | welcome to debian |
| 23:57.56 | streuner | abrotman: forget that, you just make your nerves broken ;-) |
| 23:57.59 | stoned | rahul: you here? or there? |
| 23:58.11 | streuner | o_O |
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| 23:58.52 | stoned | streuner: O_o |
