| 00:01.10 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:02.51 | MangosDebian | Mauna_Loa_: well, I checked all the configs and tried with a deleted tty8, but that only seems to just not allow switch user to work at all, and I can't see anything specific in the configs. Guess I would have to upgrade to lenny to test that properly. Ill let you know if i find anything though |
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| 00:07.30 | bullium | goodbye |
| 00:07.38 | chrisfnet | I'm trying to get a second network card to work (eth1). It gets an IP address via DHCP (or a static works as well) but it simply won't respond. I can plug the same cable into eth0 and it works perfectly OR I can take that cable and plug it into a switch and plug into both eth0 and eth1 and eth1 responds perfectly then. eth1 seems to work (it connects to the dhcp server).. but totally ignores any connection requests. Any ideas? |
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| 00:11.09 | jamesbrink_ | chrisfnet are both eth0 and eth1 on same network? |
| 00:11.18 | chrisfnet | jamesbrink: yes |
| 00:11.39 | jamesbrink_ | so from another machine can you ping eth0 and eth1's ip addresses |
| 00:11.50 | chrisfnet | jamesbrink: when I had them hooked up to the switch - yes |
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| 00:12.26 | jamesbrink_ | ok, what was not respondingon eth1? was it a specifg server or application? |
| 00:13.30 | chrisfnet | jamesbrink: Basically, when I have nothing plugged into eth0 (onboard) - but the same cable *that works* plugged into eth1.. I'm able to get an IP from the DHCP server.. but the IP it gets doesn't respond to ping or anything. Can't ping out, either.. |
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| 00:14.05 | moshii | chrisfnet: some iptables rules maybe? |
| 00:14.06 | jamesbrink_ | odd |
| 00:14.11 | abrotman | chrisfnet: and your default route ? |
| 00:14.24 | chrisfnet | moshii: I never created any... |
| 00:14.26 | chrisfnet | abrotman: hmm? |
| 00:14.37 | catoblepa | ii |
| 00:14.38 | jamesbrink_ | even the route should be ok still |
| 00:14.43 | jamesbrink_ | if they are same network |
| 00:14.48 | catoblepa | ops |
| 00:14.52 | moshii | route should be coming in via DHCP too.. |
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| 00:15.00 | jamesbrink_ | yeah |
| 00:15.03 | chrisfnet | jamesbrink: works without a hitch when plugged into the switch (even a static IP setup) |
| 00:15.13 | abrotman | chrisfnet: can you ping the IP from the host itself ? |
| 00:15.20 | chrisfnet | abrotman: let me try that.. |
| 00:15.27 | jamesbrink_ | wait what is it plugged into now if its not a switch |
| 00:15.50 | abrotman | beer! |
| 00:16.02 | moshii | where? where? |
| 00:16.20 | MangosDebian | Mauna_Loa_: take a look in /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf as well, see if the server if setup for allocating ttys etc. Although it seems as if its just being passed an incorrect value for the next tty to allocate. (still looking) |
| 00:16.25 | chrisfnet | jamesbrink: it's plugged into my gigabit switch.. but I'm saying I put a switch after that to split that into two connections (eth0 and eth1) and it worked perfectly. |
| 00:16.28 | chrisfnet | abrotman: yes it pings fine |
| 00:16.57 | chrisfnet | Could it require eth0 to be active to use eth1? that'd be weird.. |
| 00:17.19 | jamesbrink_ | so on your gigabit switch it doesent work, but on onther switch it does? |
| 00:17.42 | jamesbrink_ | or am i just confused lol |
| 00:17.54 | moshii | chrisfnet: are you taking the other interface down when you disconnect it? |
| 00:18.07 | chrisfnet | I plugged a switch INTO the gigabit switch.. and from that switch I plugged in another (which was plugged into eth0 and eth1) |
| 00:18.12 | moshii | chrisfnet: if they're both on the same network and one isn't connected.. |
| 00:18.12 | chrisfnet | moshii: yeah, taking down eth0 |
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| 00:18.58 | moshii | chrisfnet: so you're trying to connect this machines interfaces to a different (trunked) switch and it isn't working.. |
| 00:19.00 | jamesbrink_ | what type of gigabit switch |
| 00:19.29 | moshii | chrisfnet: bad switch maybe? or the link between the two isn't working.. check cabling/encapsulation etc |
| 00:19.48 | chrisfnet | jamesbrink: dgs-2205 |
| 00:20.07 | chrisfnet | moshii: but it works fine on eth0 and when eth0 is plugged in.. i plugged into eth1 and it worked fine then too |
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| 00:20.34 | moshii | chrisfnet: just not together? |
| 00:20.44 | chrisfnet | they work together, but not just eth1 |
| 00:20.53 | chrisfnet | eth0 works alone. eth1 does not. eth0 and eth1 work together |
| 00:20.53 | chrisfnet | heh |
| 00:20.54 | abrotman | so they don;t |
| 00:21.00 | jamesbrink_ | so eth1 by its self does not operate |
| 00:21.05 | chrisfnet | right |
| 00:21.06 | jamesbrink_ | unless eth0 is plugged in |
| 00:21.06 | moshii | chrisfnet: so eth0 is working |
| 00:21.11 | jamesbrink_ | odd |
| 00:21.14 | chrisfnet | moshii: sure, jsut fine |
| 00:21.14 | jamesbrink_ | real odd lol |
| 00:21.15 | chrisfnet | just* |
| 00:21.24 | moshii | chrisfnet: maybe your route's are set to use eth0 then |
| 00:21.24 | chrisfnet | and eth1 works like a charm too WHEN eth0 is plugged in |
| 00:21.29 | chrisfnet | moshii: where would I check that? |
| 00:21.32 | moshii | chrisfnet: check the output of route |
| 00:21.35 | jamesbrink_ | can you show us the output of ifconfig -a and route |
| 00:21.49 | chrisfnet | let me switch a couple cables around so I can copy and paste. =P |
| 00:21.54 | jamesbrink_ | lol |
| 00:22.05 | moshii | chrisfnet: eth1 probably isn't working, it's just going out of eth0 :P |
| 00:22.46 | moshii | chrisfnet: are you trying to do channel bonding by anychance? |
| 00:22.46 | jamesbrink_ | thats what im thinking |
| 00:23.03 | chrisfnet | moshii: no. heh |
| 00:23.05 | jamesbrink_ | what is channel bonding |
| 00:23.07 | chrisfnet | I just want to use eth1. :) |
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| 00:23.29 | moshii | jamesbrink_: load balance traffic across channels.. |
| 00:23.35 | jamesbrink_ | ahh |
| 00:23.40 | moshii | jamesbrink_: the cable being the channel |
| 00:24.00 | jamesbrink_ | wouldent work in his case since he probobly has a 100mbps switch connected to a gigabit hehe |
| 00:24.04 | jamesbrink_ | i see |
| 00:24.22 | jamesbrink_ | i have seen that on alot of windows servers |
| 00:24.28 | jamesbrink_ | i have never had the need to use it yet |
| 00:24.34 | chrisfnet | Well, I did to test.. I don't normally. The whole network is connected to the one gigabit switch |
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| 00:24.43 | moshii | jamesbrink_: good for switch to switch trunks.. |
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| 00:24.51 | chrisfnet | 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 00:24.56 | chrisfnet | 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 00:25.08 | chrisfnet | default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 00:25.11 | chrisfnet | default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 00:25.13 | chrisfnet | that's route |
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| 00:25.22 | jamesbrink_ | hmm you have 2 defaults |
| 00:25.29 | moshii | ok, iirc the kernel will take the first route or something |
| 00:25.29 | jamesbrink_ | is that normal moshii? |
| 00:25.34 | jamesbrink_ | ahh |
| 00:26.00 | chrisfnet | So it's using eth0 |
| 00:26.34 | moshii | do ifconfig eth0 down |
| 00:26.38 | abrotman | if you ping the gateawy .. which interface has its TX numbers go up ? |
| 00:26.40 | moshii | and see if eth1 really works |
| 00:26.41 | jamesbrink_ | well if moshii is right i think it would be top to bottom eth0 for local network and eth1 for gateway |
| 00:26.49 | abrotman | or just try adding a default route |
| 00:27.17 | jamesbrink_ | moshii could it be his route? |
| 00:27.29 | jamesbrink_ | because to get to 192.168.1.0 you need to use eth0 lol |
| 00:27.38 | jamesbrink_ | but to get to gateway you need to use eth1 |
| 00:27.53 | moshii | hmm he has entries for both eth0 |
| 00:28.11 | jamesbrink_ | so if he unplugs eth0 he could be servering his connection or route to his local network |
| 00:28.16 | jamesbrink_ | just a thought im not sure |
| 00:28.18 | moshii | and eth1.. the kernel will probably check everything for 192.168.1.0 out of eth0 |
| 00:28.20 | chrisfnet | Okay, let me see.. |
| 00:28.43 | moshii | I get exactly the same problem when I go wireless and don't take my wired interface down |
| 00:29.04 | chrisfnet | moshii: eth0 |
| 00:29.34 | jamesbrink_ | if you do an ifconfig eth0 down |
| 00:29.47 | jamesbrink_ | does that remove it from the routing table |
| 00:29.56 | chrisfnet | yeah |
| 00:30.06 | chrisfnet | uhhhhhhhhhh, but i'm still connected |
| 00:30.09 | jamesbrink_ | does eth1 work after that |
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| 00:30.29 | moshii | jamesbrink_: even if it doesn't the kernel should see that those are now dead routes and not use them.. |
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| 00:30.40 | jamesbrink_ | oh |
| 00:30.45 | jamesbrink_ | i have no clue then =) |
| 00:30.54 | chrisfnet | jamesbrink: yes, it does. BUT eth0 is plugged in (even though it's down |
| 00:30.56 | jamesbrink_ | 2 default routes is kinda odd too |
| 00:31.10 | moshii | jamesbrink_: that's going to be dhclient :P |
| 00:31.12 | chrisfnet | I bet if I plug in the same cable leading to the switch that's splitting to plug into them both... eth1 won't work. |
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| 00:31.35 | moshii | chrisfnet: why do you want two interfaces on the same subnet? |
| 00:31.47 | chrisfnet | I don't! :) I just want eth1 to work.......... hehe |
| 00:31.57 | chrisfnet | All I want is to use this other network card, NOT the onboard eth0 |
| 00:31.57 | chrisfnet | hehe |
| 00:32.02 | moshii | ok, start from scratch then |
| 00:32.09 | jamesbrink_ | oh |
| 00:32.14 | jamesbrink_ | well lol pull out eth0 and reboot lol |
| 00:32.23 | chrisfnet | eth0 is onboard |
| 00:32.28 | jamesbrink_ | ahh |
| 00:32.30 | moshii | and disable eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:32.36 | chrisfnet | moshii: did that long ago |
| 00:32.36 | jamesbrink_ | well remove it from... moshi beet me to it |
| 00:33.03 | moshii | chrisfnet: are you running dhclient manually to bring it up? |
| 00:33.26 | chrisfnet | nope, /etc/network/interfaces set to dhcp for eth1 then doing ifup/ifdown eth0 |
| 00:33.28 | chrisfnet | err |
| 00:33.28 | chrisfnet | eth1 |
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| 00:33.57 | jamesbrink_ | hmm |
| 00:34.04 | moshii | chrisfnet: if you get ride of auto eth0 or something along those lines.. |
| 00:34.07 | jamesbrink_ | maybe you have eth1 and eth0 mixed up |
| 00:34.24 | chrisfnet | moshii: I did |
| 00:34.28 | jamesbrink_ | maybe the new card is eth0 |
| 00:34.33 | jamesbrink_ | the old one is eth1 lol |
| 00:34.57 | moshii | or they randomly switch like my serial ports do :/ |
| 00:34.57 | jamesbrink_ | do dmesg |grep eth |
| 00:35.20 | jamesbrink_ | moshii lol thats gota suck |
| 00:35.29 | chrisfnet | [ 7854.054298] tg3: eth1: Link is up at 100 Mbps, full duplex. |
| 00:35.54 | chrisfnet | going to unplug the cable to eth0 entirely but leave eth1 routed through the second switch.. |
| 00:36.02 | moshii | jamesbrink_: it does when the machine fills dmesg with "ups is down arrrrghhh" |
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| 00:36.13 | jamesbrink_ | haha |
| 00:36.28 | jamesbrink_ | dude ill bet $50 he has them mixed up =) |
| 00:36.33 | jamesbrink_ | because that is just to odd |
| 00:36.36 | moshii | chrisfnet: have you confirmed that the connection between the two switches works properly? |
| 00:36.55 | chrisfnet | yeah |
| 00:37.08 | chrisfnet | it's connected right now, actually |
| 00:37.27 | Firestarter- | anyone here synch their Nokia E62 with linux |
| 00:37.34 | chrisfnet | I've got MODEM -> GIGABIT SWITCH -> SWITCH -> eth0,eth1 |
| 00:37.41 | moshii | chrisfnet: my suggestion is this, make sure nothing is configuring eth0 on boot.. i.e creating routes, reboot and configure eth1 from the ground up |
| 00:37.50 | chrisfnet | but.. MODEM -> GIGABIT SWITCH -> eth1 doesn't work. =P |
| 00:38.51 | jamesbrink_ | did dmesg show you the model of each eth card? |
| 00:39.13 | chrisfnet | jamesbrink: yeah, and eth1 is the new card and eth0 the old card |
| 00:39.16 | chrisfnet | err onboard* |
| 00:39.20 | jamesbrink_ | hmm |
| 00:39.21 | jamesbrink_ | lol |
| 00:39.41 | jamesbrink_ | try to remove that 2nd default route |
| 00:39.45 | jamesbrink_ | see if that has any effect |
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| 00:40.07 | jamesbrink_ | i think it would be somthing like .. |
| 00:40.12 | chrisfnet | jamesbrink: how in the world would I do that? heh |
| 00:40.19 | moshii | route del default gw.. |
| 00:40.36 | chrisfnet | it's gone now, after taking down eth0 |
| 00:40.49 | jamesbrink_ | so your on eth1 right now |
| 00:41.04 | chrisfnet | yes, and it's only working because it's connected to that second switch |
| 00:41.09 | chrisfnet | which limits me to 100Mbps |
| 00:41.09 | chrisfnet | heh |
| 00:41.34 | chrisfnet | if I unplug the uplink to that switch and plug it into eth1.. it won't respond at all |
| 00:41.39 | chrisfnet | which is the head-scratcher |
| 00:41.47 | moshii | chrisfnet: um the uplink is crossover? |
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| 00:42.02 | moshii | chrisfnet: and your card doesn't support auto swapping of the pairs |
| 00:42.19 | chrisfnet | moshii: no, it's just out from a regular port on the gigabit switch to the uplink on the second switch |
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| 00:42.43 | jamesbrink_ | is your card a gigabit switch |
| 00:42.46 | jamesbrink_ | uhh |
| 00:42.46 | moshii | chrisfnet: yes, but is the cable crossed, i.e RX and TX pairs are swapped? |
| 00:42.47 | jamesbrink_ | err card |
| 00:42.58 | chrisfnet | moshii: no |
| 00:43.01 | chrisfnet | jamesbrink: yes |
| 00:44.14 | chrisfnet | I'm going to try unplugging it from the switch and going directly in again... |
| 00:44.17 | chrisfnet | *crosses fingers* |
| 00:44.22 | jamesbrink_ | good luck |
| 00:44.23 | moshii | chrisfnet: when you plug into the gigabit switch does mii-tool or similar show the physical link as up? |
| 00:44.47 | moshii | chrisfnet: you could have autoneg problems, cable problems.. lots of problems haha |
| 00:45.01 | chrisfnet | moshii: ethttool does, yeah |
| 00:45.13 | nickyb | Hi-- I'm new to debian. Is it possible to include an apt source to upgrade just a specific package (and possible dependencies.) I'd like to upgrade my version of ruby. |
| 00:45.30 | nickyb | If anyone has a minute to help a new user, I'd greatly appreciate it. |
| 00:45.41 | chrisfnet | omfg, it worked.. but this makes NO sense |
| 00:45.44 | moshii | chrisfnet: run tcpdump on the int and see if actually sees any traffic |
| 00:45.48 | chrisfnet | ifconfig says 192.168.1.100 |
| 00:45.59 | abrotman | nickyb: what's wrong with the one in etch ? |
| 00:46.11 | chrisfnet | I accidentally told putty to connect on 192.168.1.103 (ip of eth0) and it connected.. but that interface isn't even up. |
| 00:46.31 | nickyb | abrotman: well, I'm actually on a VPS which uses ubuntu dapper. |
| 00:46.49 | abrotman | then you should ask #ubuntu |
| 00:46.56 | ricky | Then perhaps #ubuntu would be of assistance ;) |
| 00:47.14 | jelly-home | nickyb: you'll best ask #ubuntu for their backports, then |
| 00:47.34 | chrisfnet | moshii: LOL, now both 192.168.1.100 (eth1) and 192.168.1.103 (eth0) respond.. but eth0 isn't even up OR plugged in physically. |
| 00:48.00 | nickyb | Alright-- I wasn't sure if it was distro specific, or if it was a general apt tweak. Thanks for the insight! |
| 00:48.32 | moshii | chrisfnet: eth1 must be listening for those ip addresses.. check what MAC address those IP's link arpcache IIRC |
| 00:48.45 | moshii | chrisfnet: *link to in arpcache |
| 00:50.02 | chrisfnet | hmm, can't find arpcache |
| 00:50.16 | fholmes | What is a journal on an ext3 file system? If I run fsck and it removes the journal did I just loose all of my data? |
| 00:50.19 | chrisfnet | oh, just arp |
| 00:50.20 | chrisfnet | heh |
| 00:50.30 | moshii | chrisfnet: arpcache is windows maybe? |
| 00:50.46 | lindenle | fholmes: I think you may have just converted from ext3 to ext2 |
| 00:50.58 | chrisfnet | 192.168.1.1 ether 00:14:BF:94:9C:1F C eth1 |
| 00:50.58 | chrisfnet | 192.168.1.169 ether 00:15:F2:3F:FA:40 C eth1 |
| 00:51.10 | fholmes | lindenle: So which is fine atleast, but it doesn't delete my data right? |
| 00:51.54 | moshii | chrisfnet: you need to do it from another machine really, ping the target and check the arp cache |
| 00:52.37 | fholmes | So, what about inodes? If it tells me I have too many bad blocks in inode, I should just clear it? |
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| 00:53.01 | simonrvn | moshii: arp |
| 00:53.56 | moshii | simonrvn: yeah, arp to check the arp cache.. |
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| 00:54.59 | chrisfnet | moshii: 192.168.1.100 and 192.168.1.103 have the same physical address |
| 00:55.40 | moshii | chrisfnet: so the network is seeing eth1 for both of the addresses then |
| 00:55.48 | abrotman | fholmes: it's unmounted right ? |
| 00:56.00 | fholmes | Yes, it is unmounted. |
| 00:56.23 | abrotman | then the journal shouldn't matter afaik .. the drive should be fully sync'ed |
| 00:56.35 | chrisfnet | moshii: yeah, and I just tested w/ftp the speed... and it's definitely not gigabit quality. =P something's futzed somewhere. :/ |
| 00:56.43 | pinkwerks | i want to use etherwake to wake another computer on my LAN. this requires the MAC address of the remote-machine. My question is : how do I remotely discover the mac address of the machine i want to wake? i was hoping `ping` would have a flag to report the remote mac, but it doesn't :-/ |
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| 00:56.47 | fholmes | Yes, I just found out how to recreate the journal atleast with tune2fs. |
| 00:56.54 | jelly-home | chrisfnet: what are you trying to get from having two ethernet cards connected to the same segment anyway? |
| 00:56.57 | ricky | pinkwerks: arp. |
| 00:57.03 | moshii | chrisfnet: that could be protocol, cpu, different things |
| 00:57.16 | pinkwerks | ricky: you the man thanks! |
| 00:57.17 | moshii | chrisfnet: does ethtool show the link as gigabit? |
| 00:57.20 | chrisfnet | jelly-home: I'm not. I'm trying to get the card to work as per normal.. heh. |
| 00:57.35 | chrisfnet | moshii: yeah, 1000FD |
| 00:57.48 | jelly-home | chrisfnet: so give it some IP configuration different than the first one. |
| 00:58.15 | chrisfnet | jelly-home: Uhm, yeah... I didn't really think of doing that. (Of course I did that.) |
| 00:58.20 | fholmes | Hopefully e2fsck -p -c /dev/hdb3 is the right thing to run. |
| 00:58.44 | jelly-home | chrisfnet: I mean, a wholly different network |
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| 00:59.54 | jelly-home | chrisfnet: eg. 192.168.2.x/24. Then put another machine on the same lan segment into that network too and try to ping |
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| 01:10.09 | jelly-home | !test |
| 01:10.10 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 01:11.04 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 01:11.04 | dpkg | * Guerin/#debian goes to pick his wife up from kindy |
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| 01:12.57 | moshii | oo, nasty |
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| 01:14.52 | mmnicolas | hi, im willing to use zsnes without X, i've enabled the framebuffer by appending vga=(some mode) to the boot line, but it is still complaining about not being able to change the resolution, any idea ? |
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| 01:15.58 | huck_2000 | me again, I've installed flash players, and the flashplayer-mozilla but still cannot seem to get flash working on swiftfox... any ideas on what I could try? |
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| 01:19.12 | abrotman | is there a plugin in its plugins directory ? |
| 01:19.57 | huck_2000 | abrotman: i'll check, where would that be? i'm still relatively new to debian |
| 01:20.10 | abrotman | /usr/lib/swiftfox/plugins/ .. maybe |
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| 01:21.48 | huck_2000 | it's in there... |
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| 01:22.35 | huck_2000 | flashplayer.xpt is in there |
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| 01:23.11 | abrotman | uhm .. i have .so files in mine (for other browsers) |
| 01:23.15 | jefcanuk | are oscon plans fomalized? |
| 01:23.35 | fred_maranhao | anyone in here is using package libpg-java with gcj and gij? |
| 01:24.05 | huck_2000 | I have .so files too. If I go to a site that detects that I have it, and opt to bypass the checking, it works, but otherwise I get "download the latest player" |
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| 01:32.37 | portager | hi |
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| 01:34.44 | portager | i'm getting several messages on boot saying "cannot execute /sbin/getty" and "respawning too fast". What can I do to fix these? |
| 01:36.04 | kenboo | did you edit /etc/inittab? |
| 01:36.08 | portager | nope |
| 01:36.24 | kenboo | did it work before? |
| 01:36.41 | portager | well before it didnt show that massages |
| 01:37.29 | kenboo | i would run getty manually and see if it works |
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| 01:37.50 | kenboo | my guess is getty exits for somereasons right away |
| 01:38.05 | stoned | why |
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| 01:40.16 | abrotman | i think that's all over google |
| 01:40.16 | kenboo | uh the long says cannot execute. |
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| 01:53.09 | limpio | hi, what's the app that installs the gpg public key? i'm getting this error: "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 NO_PUBKEY B5D0C804ADB11277" |
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| 01:54.22 | cafuego | apt-key add < pubkeyfile.asc |
| 01:54.41 | timma | when I run netstat -anp does it query /etc/inetd.conf? |
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| 01:56.23 | Supaplex | timma: strace -e open netstat -anp |
| 01:56.27 | Supaplex | timma: in short, no. |
| 01:57.12 | limpio | cafuego, # apt-key add A70DAF536070D3A1? |
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| 01:58.44 | abrotman | !apt-key ADB11277 |
| 01:58.44 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys ADB11277 ; gpg --export ADB11277 | sudo apt-key add -; |
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| 01:59.16 | tnks | I have to make some documentation for work... block diagrams... that kind of thing. |
| 01:59.24 | tnks | I'm not exactly impressed with dia and xfig. |
| 01:59.30 | tnks | is there anything else I should look into? |
| 01:59.43 | litage | i manually rotated /var/log/php/php.log to php.log.0 . after reloading and then restarting apache-ssl, logs are still being written to php.log.0 rather than php.log . why is that? |
| 02:00.02 | timma | Sipaplex, I did something dumb, and have horrible linux admin skills right now. I uninstalled a program and added it back later. But now when I run netstat -anp | grep ":69 " I have no result. I would like to put the lines back in the correct file. |
| 02:00.15 | timma | Sorry I mean Supaplex |
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| 02:00.28 | Sayers | EH : E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 02:00.50 | abrotman | Sayers: what do the lines above it say ? |
| 02:01.09 | Sayers | It's my friends |
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| 02:01.59 | Sayers | dpkg: error processing sun-java6-bin (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 127Errors were encountered while processing: sun-java6-bin |
| 02:01.59 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 02:02.07 | abrotman | and above that ? |
| 02:02.13 | abrotman | paste the whole output |
| 02:02.14 | abrotman | !PASTE |
| 02:02.14 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 02:02.19 | Supaplex | timma: what program was it? |
| 02:02.39 | Supaplex | timma: tftp something? |
| 02:03.05 | timma | tftp (tftp-hpa) |
| 02:03.29 | Supaplex | I'd be the wrong person to ask. I never got tftp working (I think...) |
| 02:03.38 | Supaplex | did you purge? or just remove? |
| 02:03.58 | timma | Supaplex I think remove. |
| 02:04.15 | Sayers | abrotman, http://rafb.net/p/tULYyL89.html |
| 02:04.22 | portager | wow i remember playing supaplex some years ago :P |
| 02:04.32 | portager | nice game eheh |
| 02:04.36 | Supaplex | :) yup |
| 02:04.42 | abrotman | Sayers: i think it's p[retty obvious |
| 02:04.48 | Sayers | Its my friends ;) |
| 02:04.51 | Sayers | havent looked at it |
| 02:04.51 | portager | all those 113 levels or something |
| 02:05.17 | portager | btw my problem is solved if you still remember |
| 02:05.19 | Sayers | abrotman, I still can't figure it out ;) |
| 02:05.22 | abrotman | Sayers: i think it's p[retty obvious |
| 02:05.26 | portager | had to install util-linux packag |
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| 02:05.32 | portager | *package |
| 02:05.33 | timma | Supaplex, yes I removed it, because someone suggested atftp. |
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| 02:06.09 | Supaplex | usually config changes don't go away on remove, but inetd would be one of those exceptions |
| 02:06.28 | timma | OH! Doh! Supaplex it was tftpd-hpa not tftp. |
| 02:06.48 | Sayers | abrotman, can you help me help him? |
| 02:08.01 | abrotman | Sayers: what do you think the last line means ? |
| 02:08.07 | abrotman | Sayers: and what OS is this ? |
| 02:08.09 | fholmes | So i have a bunch of files that start with a # and look like #123342. Are they recoverable? Any tools I can try to figure out what they are easily? |
| 02:08.17 | abrotman | Sayers: you should be asking #ubuntu .. not #debian |
| 02:08.24 | abrotman | fholmes: cat |
| 02:08.29 | Sayers | I should I know but most of them... :P |
| 02:08.39 | abrotman | Sayers: you should be asking #ubuntu .. not #debian |
| 02:08.39 | Supaplex | fholmes: file(1) |
| 02:08.51 | fholmes | So if I try and cat one of them and it just sits there, its probably not recoverable. |
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| 02:09.23 | Supaplex | the file's recovered already. the filename and path are unknown |
| 02:09.37 | Supaplex | the uid/gid is usually intact |
| 02:09.51 | fholmes | supaplex: are you talking to me? |
| 02:09.59 | abrotman | yes he is |
| 02:09.59 | Supaplex | yes |
| 02:10.21 | fholmes | cool. So the UID/GID is there, I just need to be able to figure out what they are. |
| 02:10.30 | Supaplex | file (1) - determine file type |
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| 02:10.41 | fholmes | I am reading the man already. |
| 02:10.43 | Supaplex | man file. it's your friend. that and less :) |
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| 02:11.09 | Supaplex | cd lost+found ; file * ; true bliss |
| 02:11.10 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 02:11.14 | fholmes | Thanks guys. |
| 02:12.13 | fholmes | Funny, running du in there gives me some file names. Of course it appears as if some of those are directories, btu when I try to cd into them I just go to root. Should I rename them or move them out first? |
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| 02:13.24 | fholmes | Or just put '' around the directory name? |
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| 02:19.58 | alanhaggai | Hi, I allowed the Debian installer to select the partitions. I installed Debian in a 30 GB partition. But now, / is full. Debian had selected it to be around 300 MB. What should I do? |
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| 02:22.57 | JuanCraft | Hi, would u guys help... something really easy (I guess) |
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| 02:24.06 | wasdon | how to remove the 'trash bin' fr the desktop? |
| 02:24.06 | jamesbrink_ | no we wont |
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| 02:24.50 | JuanCraft | I want to load my tvcard with an specific configuration... I try to put at the blacklist and then use /etc/modules to pass the parameter |
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| 02:25.14 | JuanCraft | Any idea plz? |
| 02:25.44 | JuanCraft | I've been searching for info... but it says the same. |
| 02:26.46 | JuanCraft | I just would like to load the modules with the right parameter... Ideas plz :( |
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| 02:27.54 | semprix | im on fluxbox how do i eject the automounted cdrom drive? |
| 02:28.03 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ok, i have been installing debian on a spare computer...but it says it needs to remove the kernal...it doesnt say anything about replacing it with a new one...and if i remove it or dont remove it, the system still fails to install. |
| 02:28.09 | semprix | got it |
| 02:28.12 | semprix | nvm |
| 02:28.23 | The_Ultimate_Sam | at the moment i have been doing it outside of the installer |
| 02:28.46 | The_Ultimate_Sam | but even as i install the various things...when i use dir it doesnt show any dirrectories or files |
| 02:28.49 | abrotman | The_Ultimate_Sam: did you use the etch installer ? |
| 02:28.58 | JuanCraft | The_Ultimate_Sam, "spare"? |
| 02:28.59 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i used the net install |
| 02:29.20 | abrotman | for etch ? |
| 02:29.26 | The_Ultimate_Sam | just a computer that was sitting around, has good stats though only 4 gig of space |
| 02:29.26 | abrotman | JuanCraft: extra .. spare .. |
| 02:29.37 | JuanCraft | uh |
| 02:29.39 | abrotman | The_Ultimate_Sam: the sarge or etch netinst ? |
| 02:29.43 | The_Ultimate_Sam | sarge |
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| 02:30.25 | The_Ultimate_Sam | kernel image 2.4.something... |
| 02:30.45 | hark | what's in your sources.list? |
| 02:30.46 | The_Ultimate_Sam | 2.4.27-3-386 |
| 02:30.47 | abrotman | use the etch netinst |
| 02:31.07 | The_Ultimate_Sam | just a moment |
| 02:31.42 | The_Ultimate_Sam | oh i cant get it |
| 02:31.54 | The_Ultimate_Sam | but i have ftp.debian.us as one |
| 02:32.06 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i manualy coppied most of the ones on this sources.list |
| 02:32.15 | hark | yeah, just use etch :) |
| 02:32.15 | abrotman | The_Ultimate_Sam: there is no more 2.4 kernel in etch .. |
| 02:32.25 | abrotman | just use the etch netinst .. yhour life will be so much easier |
| 02:33.01 | JuanCraft | Hey u guys... any idea about what can be happening with my tv module? |
| 02:33.09 | The_Ultimate_Sam | if i change the stable to testing...and apt-get dist updgrade will that do it |
| 02:33.12 | abrotman | no |
| 02:33.16 | abrotman | use the etch netinst |
| 02:33.29 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i was looking for the netinst and i could only find sarge |
| 02:33.47 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 02:33.47 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 02:33.50 | abrotman | first link |
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| 02:35.58 | JuanCraft | abrotman, if I want to change the load parameter for my tvcard.... is ok if I put de module in the blacklist and then load it in /etc/modules (saa7134 card=10)? |
| 02:36.20 | abrotman | why if you want it .. would you blacklist it ? |
| 02:36.57 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i bet thats the problem |
| 02:36.59 | JuanCraft | cuz is loading with the wrong parameter. |
| 02:37.08 | The_Ultimate_Sam | the source thinks sarge is the stable |
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| 02:37.35 | JuanCraft | so i need to: rmmod saa7134 and modprobe saa7134 card=4... the whole time. |
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| 02:38.45 | JuanCraft | well I've been reading about that and looks like that s fine... but its not :( |
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| 02:53.32 | setuid | Has anyone seen this yet? http://cptl.org/debian_radius/sign.jpg |
| 02:54.01 | abrotman | setuid: wrong channel |
| 02:54.06 | setuid | Interesting similarities, down to the little brushstroke artifacts. I can overlay the Debian logo on top of it, "tighten" the swirl a little bit, and it matches perfectly |
| 02:54.10 | setuid | abrotman, Oh? |
| 02:54.26 | abrotman | support channel ? |
| 02:55.19 | setuid | Oh, when did it stop also allowing general Debian talk? |
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| 02:56.50 | cafuego | setuid: That logo is open/free. |
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| 02:57.00 | xp_prg | can anyone recommend what icecast server I should use on my debian, icecast or icecast2? |
| 02:57.04 | cafuego | setuid: The genie logo (with bottle) is not |
| 02:57.20 | abrotman | xp_prg: one would think icecast2 ? |
| 02:57.44 | xp_prg | k |
| 02:58.05 | Agrajag- | xp_prg: i *think* that with icecast2 you won't be able to do mp3, only ogg. but maybe debian has compiled icecast without mp3 support, im not sure |
| 02:58.20 | xp_prg | I don't want to do mp3 anyway |
| 02:58.24 | xp_prg | fuck mp3 |
| 02:58.30 | Agrajag- | yeah use icecast2 then |
| 02:58.31 | cafuego | setuid: Still very bad form on behalf of whoever did the artwork for the museum. |
| 02:58.36 | netdaemon | ogg 4thewin |
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| 02:59.12 | setuid | cafuego, According to Debian's logo page, they have to mention the Debian project, to use it |
| 02:59.16 | setuid | http://www.debian.org/logos/ |
| 02:59.38 | abrotman | setuid: you said it doesn't match 100% |
| 02:59.40 | DragonD | hehe, |
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| 03:00.34 | setuid | abrotman, Yes, its not identical, but the artifacts are.. someone took the svg and "opened" it a little bit (expanded the spiral slightly), and used that. I just did the same in gimp, overlayed them, and it matched perfectly. Shrug. Interesting though. |
| 03:00.49 | abrotman | oh well .. shit happens |
| 03:00.56 | setuid | Yep |
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| 03:01.28 | DragonD | abrotman: |
| 03:01.55 | abrotman | DragonD: |
| 03:02.54 | DragonD | reading |
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| 03:03.10 | DragonD | brbr |
| 03:03.54 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 03:04.56 | netdaemon | ftw |
| 03:05.42 | DragonD | so anyways. i just installed debian. during the install i was shown a list with the mirrors in it and asked to choose one. the one i selected is slow for me can't i get that list again with dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 03:05.43 | setuid | meh |
| 03:06.02 | abrotman | DragonD: you can't |
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| 03:06.13 | kisielk | hm, is it a lot of work to change a machine's hostname? |
| 03:06.15 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 03:06.15 | dpkg | debian mirrors is probably http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
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| 03:06.20 | abrotman | !hostname |
| 03:06.20 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 03:06.41 | kisielk | well, as far as other programs go |
| 03:06.44 | kisielk | I know about that bit |
| 03:06.49 | abrotman | depend son the app |
| 03:07.53 | Anonimo52 | olá |
| 03:08.06 | Anonimo52 | esta lista ajuda mesmo??? |
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| 03:11.39 | ricky | !es |
| 03:11.40 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 03:12.34 | DragonD | hmm... |
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| 03:27.27 | craigevil | hm really quiet in here tonight |
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| 03:29.50 | DragonD | is there a way to change the console font without the vga boot option? |
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| 03:36.51 | grendal_prime2 | my nick is jammed can someone bounce grendal_prime |
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| 03:37.02 | piztek | anyone here running icewm |
| 03:37.30 | Supaplex | !anyone use icewm |
| 03:37.30 | dpkg | No, no one uses icewm, not even the people who use it. |
| 03:37.37 | Supaplex | !tell piztek -about ask |
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| 03:38.57 | chowmeined | is there a way to have apt verify the integrity of installed binaries? |
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| 03:39.09 | chowmeined | like to have it periodically do that |
| 03:39.20 | Supaplex | !debsums |
| 03:39.21 | dpkg | debsums is, like, a package that will check a packages files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will cause it to check config files. |
| 03:39.31 | chowmeined | thanks |
| 03:39.34 | Supaplex | np |
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| 03:40.22 | grendal_prime2 | Supaplex: i lost my connection earlyer and now i can log in again ..not with my registered nick..can you bounce grendal_prime so i can log back in? |
| 03:40.34 | grendal_prime2 | cant log in i mean. |
| 03:40.37 | piztek | well how do you further customize the panel in icewm besides toolbar |
| 03:40.49 | DragonD | so anyone here running debian with an ati x700 pro? |
| 03:41.18 | Supaplex | I'm not an op |
| 03:41.38 | grendal_prime2 | i think if you open a private chat with the user it will kill it as well. |
| 03:41.55 | Supaplex | it just died anyway |
| 03:41.59 | stoned | hi Supaplex |
| 03:41.59 | Supaplex | you could have done that. :P |
| 03:42.00 | grendal_prime2 | cool thanks |
| 03:42.04 | stoned | suplex |
| 03:42.06 | stoned | hehe |
| 03:42.09 | Supaplex | sup stoned |
| 03:42.14 | stoned | not much man |
| 03:42.14 | grendal_prime2 | no i cant not as a non registerd user |
| 03:42.17 | Supaplex | you selling crack to the locals? ;) |
| 03:42.25 | stoned | hehehe |
| 03:42.33 | stoned | you know it |
| 03:42.36 | Supaplex | grendal_prime2: /msg nickserv help |
| 03:42.44 | grendal_prime2 | it gave me an error about spamming and how i had to be a registerd user |
| 03:43.00 | Supaplex | well quit spamming! |
| 03:43.04 | grendal_prime2 | hehehe |
| 03:43.17 | grendal_prime2 | or at least as a non registerd spammer right!!! |
| 03:43.30 | grendal_prime2 | brb thanks |
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| 03:44.00 | DragonD | grendal_prime: you had to quit to change your nick? |
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| 03:44.50 | grendal_prime | i have several channels i join automatically...its just easyer |
| 03:47.04 | stoned | what? |
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| 03:47.11 | stoned | I am a spambot |
| 03:48.25 | stoned | hey man |
| 03:48.30 | stoned | thats not cool |
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| 03:49.41 | juancgt | if when installing debian i want it to skip the firewire (since its setting it up as a eth0 device), what argument should i pass? |
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| 03:54.30 | timma | how do I open a port? |
| 03:54.39 | timma | iptables? |
| 03:54.40 | peterS | timma: run a server that uses that port |
| 03:55.04 | litage | timma: man netcat |
| 03:55.12 | peterS | if you don't run any server that uses a particular port, Linux (or Unix or OS X or Windows NT or whatever) will refuse connections to that port, making it effectively "closed" |
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| 03:55.14 | Supaplex | stoned: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3178483240195438272&q=joey+diaper+tabasco&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0 |
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| 03:55.53 | Inc | anyone know where I can get a debian package of the irssi 0.8.11 release? |
| 03:56.00 | timma | okay thank you |
| 03:56.15 | Supaplex | haha. weird. |
| 03:56.16 | Supaplex | Irssi 0.8.10 (20051211) - http://irssi.org/ |
| 03:56.21 | Supaplex | humm |
| 03:56.27 | Supaplex | !+info irssi |
| 03:56.28 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 03:56.30 | dpkg | irssi: (terminal based IRC client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.10-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1035 kB, Installed size: 2800 kB |
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| 03:56.48 | stoned | dthats just stupid |
| 03:56.58 | stoned | !irssi |
| 03:56.58 | dpkg | well, irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
| 03:57.06 | Supaplex | Inc: apt-get source irssi ; cd irssi*/ ; uupdate ; dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -rfakeroot |
| 03:57.29 | Inc | did you mean to have two u's in update? |
| 03:57.35 | peterS | Inc: yes he did |
| 03:57.51 | Supaplex | !uupdate |
| 03:57.51 | dpkg | uupdate upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision |
| 03:58.09 | peterS | Supaplex: you forgot the sudo apt-get build-dep irssi. and since uupdate is in devscripts, better recommend that he install that too. and if you have devscripts you may as well use debuild rather than dpkg-buildpackage (: |
| 03:58.11 | Supaplex | Inc: well, you'll have to cd ../irssi-<newversion> |
| 03:58.33 | Supaplex | and what peterS said. |
| 03:58.40 | Supaplex | I'm a halfwit developer. ;) |
| 03:58.52 | stoned | I am an idiot. |
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| 03:58.55 | Inc | heh, it just trys to get the irssi 0.8.10-2 |
| 03:59.03 | lymeca_ | I have Debian installed to a 7GB / partition with the rest of my HDD mounted at /home, but the / partition is full. I've emptied /tmp, but to no avail. How can I find out which packages are taking up the most space so I can remove them? |
| 03:59.08 | lymeca_ | I have deleted the downloaded package files and obsolete ones as well |
| 03:59.11 | peterS | Inc: uupdate does? apparently that means it doesn't have a proper watch file |
| 03:59.11 | Supaplex | Inc: that's normal for apt-get source. |
| 03:59.27 | Inc | Supaplex: but what about 0.8.11....? |
| 03:59.38 | Supaplex | Inc: that's what uupdate is for |
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| 03:59.56 | Inc | oh |
| 04:00.33 | Supaplex | but apparently it's watchfile is bad/missing. |
| 04:00.40 | peterS | !' |
| 04:00.41 | dpkg | How to Use Apostrophes: http://www.angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif |
| 04:01.02 | Inc | hahaha it's been a bug for 3 months http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=421053 |
| 04:01.30 | Supaplex | s/it's/its/ |
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| 04:01.46 | Inc | true |
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| 04:02.04 | nzk | How do I run apps from the terminal but independant of it, so that it doesnt take up a tab every time? |
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| 04:02.21 | Inc | Supaplex: you're a debian dev |
| 04:02.57 | juancgt | nzk, try adding a & after the command |
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| 04:03.19 | litage | lymeca_: use /usr/bin/find to find all large files. eg: find / -type f -size +100M -exec ls -l '{} |
| 04:03.21 | litage | oops |
| 04:03.32 | litage | lymeca_: use /usr/bin/find to find all large files. eg: find / -type f -size +100M -exec ls -l '{}' \; |
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| 04:03.41 | rissy | is there a way to change the screen resolution of cli, without x etc installed? |
| 04:03.50 | Supaplex | litage: find has -ls to. |
| 04:04.17 | Inc | what a slut |
| 04:04.20 | litage | rissy: set the 'vga' option in your grub or lilo config file |
| 04:04.28 | rissy | aight |
| 04:04.53 | litage | Supaplex: hey cool. i didn't know about that argument for find. thanks |
| 04:04.58 | peterS | Inc: no, your "it's" was correct, Supaplex's earlier "it's" was the one I complained about |
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| 04:05.18 | JeffH | has anyone here setup gallery to run on a postgresql database? |
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| 04:06.21 | holycow | hey guys |
| 04:06.34 | litage | i ran ``logrotate -f /etc/logrotate.d/php'' , which rotates php.log and restarts apache-ssl. however, logs are still being written to php.log.1 . how can i fix this? |
| 04:06.35 | litage | supaplex tried to help with this problem earlier in #debian on oftc, but unfortunately we couldn't figure it out.. |
| 04:06.37 | holycow | just out of curiosity,anyone here run a tyan mobo with linuxbios preinstalled on it? |
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| 04:07.53 | peterS | litage: the restart may actually just be a reload, which doesn't necessarily take effect in child processes right away. check back in a few minutes, see if it's still doing that. incidentally, this is why the usual way to use logrotate has it _not_ compress the first rotated file, only the second and subsequent |
| 04:08.23 | peterS | so that it doesn't matter if the process doesn't close and reopen the logs right away |
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| 04:09.59 | litage | peterS: yeah i thought it might only be reloading when i tell it to restart, so i checked /etc/init.d/apache-ssl and "restart" does in fact stop then start apache-ssl |
| 04:10.16 | JeffH | Is there a counterpart to 'adduser' to delete a user? |
| 04:10.20 | peterS | 'deluser' |
| 04:10.31 | Supaplex | litage: what's lsof show? (don't paste) |
| 04:10.33 | litage | peterS: i also tried ``/etc/init.d/apache-ssl stop'', waited a few seconds, then started it. however, logs are still going to php.log.1 |
| 04:10.54 | peterS | litage: is the server actually stopped in the meantime? |
| 04:11.11 | Larl | Does GRUB by default enter protected mode before loading the Linux kernel and executing it? |
| 04:11.22 | peterS | I mean, you could observe exactly this behavior if the web server managed _not_ to be stopped (and consequently not to be started when you say start) |
| 04:11.28 | peterS | Larl: no, Linux does that |
| 04:11.40 | peterS | grub stays in real mode |
| 04:12.06 | peterS | the legacy 16-bit real mode, at that |
| 04:12.30 | litage | peterS: yes |
| 04:12.33 | litage | Supaplex: checking lsof |
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| 04:12.38 | runev | is the gnupg binary named something else in debian, or should it be in some bin directory? |
| 04:13.04 | peterS | runev: it is called 'gpg', though the package is called 'gnupg' |
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| 04:13.28 | o2T7 | hi |
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| 04:14.23 | peterS | runev: btw, you can find out things like this with: dpkg -L gnupg | grep bin/ |
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| 04:14.43 | o2T7 | If I use partimage for creating an image of a 5G partition and restore it on a 12G one, df still shows the size as 5G |
| 04:15.06 | o2T7 | How could i use the whole partition space? |
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| 04:15.24 | peterS | o2T7: resize the filesystem. if it is ext3, for example, unmount it then run 'resize2fs /dev/whatever' |
| 04:15.31 | holycow | what peterS said |
| 04:15.40 | holycow | peterS, your rocking tonight :) |
| 04:15.43 | runev | peterS: ah, thank you, i've always just tried to locate pkgname and used grep bin then.. so thanks :) |
| 04:15.47 | o2T7 | Oh, thank you, very much peterS |
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| 04:15.59 | o2T7 | I have asked this a few times before |
| 04:16.04 | o2T7 | But |
| 04:16.12 | o2T7 | this is my root's partition |
| 04:16.24 | o2T7 | Is there any way without bootinh |
| 04:16.28 | runev | |
| 04:16.34 | o2T7 | booting* a live or another sys |
| 04:16.38 | o2T7 | system? |
| 04:16.46 | o2T7 | Just curious |
| 04:16.47 | peterS | o2T7: that's a problem, then - I'm pretty sure you can't resize it while it is mounted. you _may_ be able to do it while mounted read-only, like if you do 'telinit s' to get into single-user mode, then 'mount -o remount,ro /' |
| 04:16.57 | dan2 | peterS: hey |
| 04:17.08 | peterS | dan2 ... dan2 ... is that really dan2? |
| 04:17.13 | dan2 | ya |
| 04:17.14 | peterS | rather long time, no see |
| 04:17.18 | peterS | like years |
| 04:17.26 | dan2 | I come in here every so often |
| 04:17.34 | dan2 | abrotman is usually glued to his seat |
| 04:17.36 | o2T7 | ok, ty, i try then. |
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| 04:18.11 | peterS | yeah, we somehow happened upon a mechanism to force abrotman to spend several hours of unpaid time here per day helping people. I'm still not sure how we managed that. |
| 04:18.23 | cellofellow | How do I change the number of my ethernet port? It is currently eth1, but I have no eth0. I'd just like it to be a bit consistent. |
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| 04:18.49 | Supaplex | cellofellow: you could rename it with udev |
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| 04:18.57 | Supaplex | eg, based on mac address |
| 04:19.04 | cellofellow | um |
| 04:19.05 | holycow | heh |
| 04:19.36 | cellofellow | I, um, hope that Ubuntu and Debian set this stuff up the same way. I can't get anyone in #xubuntu or #ubuntu to tell me this stuff. |
| 04:19.55 | Supaplex | !tell cellofellow -about based on debian |
| 04:19.59 | JeffH | Im installing gallery2 on my debian machine.. the instructions say I should be able to browse to www.harriscomputersolutions.com/gallery2 but when I go there my webserver says the requested url could not be found. Is there a step I'm missing? |
| 04:20.20 | Supaplex | cellofellow: the udev howto is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ - good luck. |
| 04:20.23 | peterS | cellofellow: unfortunately you've stumbled on exactly the sort of area where Ubuntu differentiates itself from Debian - automatic network setup stuff. |
| 04:20.32 | holycow | cellofellow, its the same way, but you know keep your ubuntu questions to their channels |
| 04:20.34 | cellofellow | dang |
| 04:20.39 | peterS | configuring udev may work the same way, but the default way it operates probably differs |
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| 04:21.02 | o2T7 | peterS: it worked even with the filesystem mounted |
| 04:21.08 | o2T7 | Filesystem at /dev/hda5 is mounted on /; on-line resizing required |
| 04:21.12 | cellofellow | (I'm sorry to be in the "wrong channel", but there are generally more advanced users here.) |
| 04:21.23 | Supaplex | you can install debian :) |
| 04:21.27 | Supaplex | !tell cellofellow -about netinst |
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| 04:21.48 | cellofellow | I know netinstall |
| 04:21.52 | peterS | o2T7: yeah I didn't know whether your filesystem and kernel were suitable for online resizing. if so, that will work fine. |
| 04:21.53 | Supaplex | cool |
| 04:21.56 | dan2 | peterS: how are things there? |
| 04:22.08 | o2T7 | Thank You again |
| 04:22.13 | peterS | dan2: I can't complain. though maybe I will complain a little about the 95 degree weather we've been having a lot of |
| 04:22.18 | JeffH | anyone know if the testing version of gallery2 handles postgresql configuration better? |
| 04:22.18 | dan2 | ;) |
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| 04:22.34 | dan2 | peterS: where are you located again? |
| 04:22.50 | peterS | dan2: host -t loc p12n.org (: but to save you the trouble, wichita ks |
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| 04:22.51 | Supaplex | litage: how's lsof treating you? |
| 04:24.20 | litage | Supaplex: yeah sorry, my connection became saturated for a few minutes so i couldn't background vi on the problem box =P |
| 04:25.27 | dan2 | peterS: glad you said otherwise, I thought for a moment you lived in australia |
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| 04:25.37 | peterS | heh |
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| 04:26.17 | peterS | perhaps you're thinking of cafuego, another Peter |
| 04:26.18 | JeffH | anyone here use gallery2? is your /etc/gallery2/config.php file empty? |
| 04:26.32 | fholmes | JeffH: No, it is not empty. |
| 04:26.34 | dan2 | peterS: I'm sorry the weather isn't good there. Here it is the best it has been all summer. 75 degrees, partly cloudy, no humidity |
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| 04:26.41 | peterS | oooh, nice |
| 04:26.51 | fholmes | oh, wait. My file is not in /etc/gallery2/ |
| 04:26.51 | JeffH | fholmes: hm.. think my configuration is fucked. |
| 04:26.56 | DragonD | well i got x running but using vesa driver... and it like kinda blury. |
| 04:26.59 | dan2 | peterS: we too have had our share of 90+ and humid days though |
| 04:26.59 | fholmes | It is in the webroot of g2. |
| 04:27.08 | dan2 | peterS: and we're having 4 this week |
| 04:27.11 | peterS | dan2: and you're still somewhere in PA? |
| 04:27.13 | dan2 | ya |
| 04:27.15 | dan2 | near philly |
| 04:27.25 | JeffH | fholmes: What is the webroot? |
| 04:27.42 | fholmes | Gallery2 the photo gallery software right? |
| 04:28.09 | peterS | dan2: well ... I've got to amble off now, I think, as I need to be awake in about 5.5 hours (: later |
| 04:28.09 | JeffH | yes |
| 04:28.16 | fholmes | web based, webroot is where the root of your website is technically, but in this context I mean the root of gallery2 |
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| 04:28.28 | jonathanp | Hello |
| 04:28.38 | Supaplex | jell0 |
| 04:28.49 | JeffH | I'm not even sure where the installer established the gallery2 webroot at.. |
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| 04:29.06 | fholmes | JeffH: There is a #gallery-support channel. |
| 04:29.12 | Larl | If I copy Linux code by hand into vi and compile can I change the license to a proprietary EULA? |
| 04:29.16 | JeffH | the installer seems pretty poor if you're wanting to use mysql |
| 04:29.19 | dan2 | peterS: night |
| 04:29.26 | krazykit | Larl, no |
| 04:29.35 | fholmes | Well, you should have extracted the downloaded file in your webroot. /var/www or whatever is in your apache config file. |
| 04:29.36 | holycow | Larl, what makes you think you can steal peoples hard work?\ |
| 04:29.37 | peterS | Larl: only if you can do this without copyright infringement. ask your lawyer about that. |
| 04:29.39 | holycow | its illegal |
| 04:29.44 | JeffH | fholmes: and there's no activity in the room either. |
| 04:29.49 | Larl | I'm not. :( |
| 04:30.14 | jonathanp | Larl, why would you do that though? |
| 04:30.17 | Larl | I am "learning" lines of source code, then typing them on my own with different variable names. |
| 04:30.23 | jonathanp | But why? |
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| 04:30.29 | holycow | Larl, you can't do that either |
| 04:30.33 | fholmes | WE can move this there. |
| 04:30.34 | holycow | thats also infringement |
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| 04:30.40 | peterS | Larl: check with the nearest lawyer on what constitutes copyright infringement. it is defined somewhat more broadly than you may be assuming |
| 04:30.43 | Larl | Okay, sorry. |
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| 04:30.47 | jonathanp | Learn source code the right way: practice. Make your own programs. |
| 04:31.12 | jonathanp | You will learn quicker that way. Then PRACTICE on the linux source. |
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| 04:31.34 | jonathanp | The Linux is too complicated for the average user, though (the source I mean). |
| 04:31.49 | fholmes | How can I remove apache and PHP4 without screwing up apache2? |
| 04:31.50 | peterS | Larl: or really, just ask them about what a "derivative work" is under copyright law. i.e., how different your code has to be from the original before it isn't a derivative work. |
| 04:31.52 | [FireBIrd] | Somebody here know about IPVS ?? |
| 04:32.05 | Larl | If I write my own kernel and get stuck with, say, i/o with ext2 file systems, then read Linux code to learn how it works (without copying), then write code to access the ext2 file system, am I infringing? |
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| 04:32.17 | lymeca_ | litage: As for the command you sent for finding and listing files over 100MB... can I exclude looking in my /home directory? |
| 04:32.27 | jonathanp | It's not good to take the risk, Larl. |
| 04:32.35 | peterS | Larl: you'll have to ask a lawyer about that kind of thing. and they won't always give you the same answer. |
| 04:32.40 | jonathanp | Depends on what you're doing, though. |
| 04:32.41 | litage | lymeca_: yup, you sure can. read the manpage to find out how |
| 04:33.03 | Larl | Okay. |
| 04:33.24 | Supaplex | Larl: learn how compaq made their own bios |
| 04:33.35 | Larl | I violated GPL before and people got mad so I am being more careful. |
| 04:33.37 | jonathanp | How do I get a dual-boot of Linux and Windows on my machine? Without removing Windows? Or is this type of ? out of topic here? |
| 04:33.43 | peterS | Larl: in general I think the Linux kernel people are pretty laid-back about not really caring if you read their code in order to figure out things like a filesystem format. they wouldn't try to pursue you in court just because you've _looked_ at the ext2_fs.h header file |
| 04:33.48 | Larl | Yeah, reverse engineering with clean room programmers. |
| 04:33.58 | lymeca_ | ind: warning: you have specified the -xdev option after a non-option argument -type, but options are not positional (-xdev affects tests specified before it as well as those specified after it). Please specify options before other arguments. |
| 04:34.02 | holycow | Larl, some of us take gpl extremely seriously. i for one am a zealot. if you do something really nasty you wont want to meet me in the street. |
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| 04:34.12 | holycow | the fact that you are asking is good tho. |
| 04:34.28 | lymeca_ | litage: I tried using "find / -type f -size +100M -exec ls -l '{}' \; -xdev" which would work because /home is at a different filesystem |
| 04:34.37 | lymeca_ | But I got that error and I'm not sure what to make of it. |
| 04:34.42 | holycow | Larl, mostly however if you are writing your own proprietary stuff, you WANT TO STAY AWAY FROM GPL 100% |
| 04:34.43 | dan2 | peterS: I think more questionable uses of the GPL are things like x264, which is an encoder for a video format that is loaded with patents... so does it matter if you violate x264's copyright? ;) |
| 04:34.44 | peterS | Larl: and indeed, headers like ext2_fs.h and ext2_fs_sb.h are often considered "mere interface definitions", such that even copying those headers directly, with only small modifications, isn't really copyright infringement, since the structures in there are mostly just describing an interface, which isn't copyrightable |
| 04:34.46 | holycow | not even a peek |
| 04:34.47 | jonathanp | I know Windows is crap, but I'd like to have both it and Linux on my laptop/machine. Is this the wrong place to be asking? |
| 04:34.57 | Larl | I am trying to respect copyrights now. I bought legal copies of Windows and Office and stopped pirating software. |
| 04:35.01 | holycow | or you will basically forefit all your hard work |
| 04:35.06 | metbsd | why do you want to keep crap? |
| 04:35.19 | holycow | Larl, thus yeah you should stick with windows and follow that model of development |
| 04:35.35 | jonathanp | Well, Windows has Linux outnumbered still, but Linux is more secure. |
| 04:35.36 | holycow | stay away from linux, reading gpl code and writing your own stuff will get yo uin a lot of trouble |
| 04:35.42 | jonathanp | Best of both worlds, you know. |
| 04:35.46 | litage | Supaplex: i just figured out why php.log.1 is still being written to. i thought apache-ssl was writing to the php log file, but it turns out apache sends logs to syslog-ng, and syslog-ng writes the logs to the appropriate files. so i just need to reload syslog-ng =P |
| 04:35.58 | holycow | most companies that do proprietary development have very strict rules about dealing with gpl software, mostly its banned |
| 04:36.01 | Supaplex | litage: ha! imagine that. |
| 04:36.10 | litage | Supaplex: thanks for the lsof suggestion. it's what tipped me off: syslog-ng 1754 root 19w REG 9,6 25613 48290 /var/log/php/php.log.1 |
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| 04:36.20 | metbsd | best of world is crap |
| 04:36.35 | metbsd | you know windows is crap, and you keep crap |
| 04:36.39 | Larl | metbsd: I don't know, I |
| 04:36.45 | metbsd | hehehe |
| 04:36.46 | holycow | Larl, or do what apple did |
| 04:36.54 | jonathanp | I'd like to just keep a DVD of good Linux and have it on hand incase Windows fails me. Never mind. |
| 04:36.55 | holycow | just take the bsd kernel and do what you want with it |
| 04:36.56 | Larl | I've never had issues with Windows but I reinstall a lot. |
| 04:37.01 | holycow | you can totally proprietize that |
| 04:37.12 | holycow | but stay away from gpl stuff, you are going to shoot your self in the foot |
| 04:37.43 | dan2 | holycow: see my above comment on gpl |
| 04:37.48 | Larl | Okay. I think FreeBSD's kernel can mount ext2. |
| 04:37.52 | Supaplex | just steal the bsd code, and stash their names in some obsecure credits ;) |
| 04:37.54 | dan2 | holycow: <dan2> peterS: I think more questionable uses of the GPL are things like x264, which is an encoder for a video format that is loaded with patents... so does it matter if you violate x264's copyright? ;) |
| 04:37.56 | jonathanp | I'm interested in cross-plat apps coding. Any advice? |
| 04:38.11 | holycow | dan2, ah! *nod* |
| 04:38.13 | holycow | indeed |
| 04:38.33 | holycow | Larl, however if you steal their code, you will still be in my bad book |
| 04:38.38 | Larl | jonathanp: Best advice ever: Support every platform you can |
| 04:38.39 | Supaplex | jonathanp: stay away from MSDN? |
| 04:38.39 | dan2 | holycow: depends who you ask, but I suspect x264 would never be able to enforce their copyright |
| 04:38.44 | holycow | i think its still unethical |
| 04:38.52 | jonathanp | I don't like MSDN |
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| 04:38.56 | Larl | holycow: I won't copy and paste. |
| 04:39.17 | jonathanp | But what about cross-plat app libs? |
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| 04:40.26 | dan2 | holycow: honor among theives *snicker* |
| 04:40.34 | Larl | jonathanp: You should support Mac OS 68k and Mac OS Classic PPC, to start. Then port your application to PC-DOS 1.0 on IBM PC 4.77 MHz 8088. |
| 04:40.50 | holycow | dan2, lol. i used to be the biggest warez kid before i found linux and gpl |
| 04:41.02 | holycow | i haven't downloaded a thing in 5 years that i don't have a right to dl. |
| 04:41.06 | holycow | funny how it works out :) |
| 04:41.08 | jonathanp | What is that supposed to mean Larl? |
| 04:41.14 | jonathanp | Are you insulting me? |
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| 04:41.23 | Larl | jonathanp: No. |
| 04:41.40 | dan2 | holycow: well, all of my music is from someone who legally purchased it at one point ;) |
| 04:41.49 | holycow | rofl |
| 04:41.58 | Larl | jonathanp: The more and more platforms you support, the faster and more bug free your code becomes. Just ask the NetBSD folks. |
| 04:42.07 | holycow | i have a few mp3's i didn't payt for, all the rest i bought cd's for long ago |
| 04:42.16 | jonathanp | Those platforms are OUTDATED. |
| 04:42.28 | holycow | outdated? they don't even exist anymore :) |
| 04:42.31 | jonathanp | But thanks anyways. |
| 04:42.32 | dan2 | Larl: you sure BSD doesn't have an implementation of ext2? |
| 04:42.41 | Larl | The number of Windows bugs / exploits have increased by almost 100% since Microsoft dropped support for Alpha and PPC in NT. |
| 04:42.50 | Larl | dan2: I think it might. |
| 04:43.02 | Gnu_Raiz | thats funny, I just de drmed a bunch of itunes m4p files so I could play them on nix. |
| 04:43.03 | DragonD | arg... |
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| 04:44.41 | netdaemon | weeee |
| 04:44.46 | Larl | Even supporting a platform like Mac OS 68k or the old IBM PC model 5150 will bring *some* users to your software. More platforms == more money |
| 04:45.04 | Gnu_Raiz | to bad you have to do it in windows, but I was able to copy over the decoded m4p files to my box without any problem. |
| 04:45.34 | Kevin` | what package has rot13, I want to encrypt my important files |
| 04:45.51 | cafuego | !find bin/rot13 |
| 04:45.57 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/rot13' returned no results. |
| 04:46.02 | Gnu_Raiz | rot13 is not very secure. |
| 04:46.13 | dan2 | Kevin`: you want gnupg |
| 04:46.36 | cafuego | uunecode | rot13 |
| 04:46.41 | Kevin` | bah. |
| 04:46.42 | Kevin` | i'll just do double-rot13 encryption! |
| 04:46.50 | Gnu_Raiz | firefox does rot13 on the fly, if you have the proper extensions. |
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| 04:47.12 | Larl | Kevin`: It work for Germany's Enigma. |
| 04:47.24 | dan2 | damn germans |
| 04:48.37 | Larl | I should implement an encryption scheme that is the same as that of the Enigma machines. It would be relatively secure as no one would guess. |
| 04:48.51 | Kevin` | I know there was a rot13 program in standard unix utilities from something |
| 04:48.54 | Kevin` | where did it get off to |
| 04:49.32 | Gnu_Raiz | bleachly park had the code beaten, in fact you can thank them for a lot of comp sci hallmarks in breaking the code. |
| 04:49.54 | Kevin` | ilop auckccvzmc ttubrtzvd ql atqk - what is this? :) |
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| 04:50.18 | Larl | Caesar cipher? |
| 04:50.24 | Gnu_Raiz | I use rcirc, and am too lazy to plug it in to firefox. |
| 04:50.26 | Kevin` | no |
| 04:51.11 | Kevin` | anyway I want my rot13 program, or i'll have to go write one :/ |
| 04:51.45 | aschwo | hey guys, is this the proper channel for support-type questions? |
| 04:51.54 | Larl | Encryption is pointless anyway. I have nothing to hide. |
| 04:51.56 | Gnu_Raiz | sure ask away. |
| 04:52.36 | aschwo | it's kinda specific, but i'm having no luck getting my install to recognize my sata hd on a gigabyte 965p motherboard |
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| 04:52.56 | Coweater | Kevin`: there's one in bsdgames |
| 04:53.18 | aschwo | it's the motherboard with two sata chipsets, the intel ich8, and i think jmicron, and neither seem to work for me |
| 04:53.19 | Kevin` | I wonder why !find didn't find it |
| 04:53.32 | Coweater | because it's in /usr/games instead of a bin directory |
| 04:53.46 | Gnu_Raiz | You might need a newer cd install that sees the 965p |
| 04:54.04 | Kevin` | thanks Coweater |
| 04:54.09 | Gnu_Raiz | in other words see if you can find a testing cd, of lenny instead of etch. |
| 04:54.26 | aschwo | ok, i tried etch, no dice |
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| 04:54.47 | aschwo | is it just some kernel patch that's there that hasn't been put into the main distro? |
| 04:54.58 | Gnu_Raiz | sometimes, |
| 04:55.21 | Gnu_Raiz | you just need a newer kernel, and most of the testing cds have that. |
| 04:56.01 | Kevin` | does debian have a feature like windows to load drives from a floppy or other media? |
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| 04:56.09 | Kevin` | drivers |
| 04:56.19 | level1 | Hi, I'm trying to use encfs. The problem is, that when I run encfs as root, it creates a filesystem that can only be accessed by root, so I have to manually change it, but if I run encfs as a user, theres always something that requires root access |
| 04:56.40 | Gnu_Raiz | yes you can use usb flash drive and they still have floppies install. |
| 04:56.57 | Gnu_Raiz | check the reference manual for howto do it. |
| 04:57.00 | Kevin` | perhaps he could put the drivers on that |
| 04:57.18 | Gnu_Raiz | you should also be able to do a network install, over ethernet. |
| 04:58.25 | Gnu_Raiz | it is probably easier just to download a testing netinstall cd, and do it that way. |
| 04:58.44 | Kevin` | could you use a testing/unstable netinstall cd to install stable |
| 04:58.54 | Kjikaqawej | no |
| 05:00.41 | Gnu_Raiz | once you install the base system you can pretty much do whatever you want. |
| 05:01.00 | metbsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.10 | Gnu_Raiz | in general testing is not that bad, some people like it. |
| 05:01.21 | Kevin` | metbsd rndc reload domain |
| 05:02.14 | Gnu_Raiz | I have this butt old sony laptop that I thought would need a newer kernel. |
| 05:02.14 | Kevin` | metbsd there's a seperate 'refresh' command for slave zones but I think either would work |
| 05:02.34 | Gnu_Raiz | so I use sid, to get the packages, and it turns out my bios is the problem. |
| 05:02.36 | metbsd | i'm for master zone |
| 05:02.49 | Kevin` | then reload |
| 05:02.59 | Gnu_Raiz | should of got a thinkpad, stupid sony |
| 05:03.20 | metbsd | or even toshiba |
| 05:03.25 | Gnu_Raiz | sony hasn't had an update in years, like 4 years. |
| 05:03.42 | metbsd | bios? |
| 05:03.53 | metbsd | what can bios do |
| 05:04.05 | Kevin` | screw up device information and acpi functions |
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| 05:04.35 | Gnu_Raiz | I have to disable all the cool apic functions as the bios does not support the newer features. |
| 05:04.52 | Gnu_Raiz | like battery management. and hibernation. |
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| 05:05.13 | Kevin` | hibernation works without any hardware support |
| 05:05.14 | Gnu_Raiz | Yeah that too, |
| 05:05.25 | metbsd | newer feature from what |
| 05:05.26 | Gnu_Raiz | not on my machine, |
| 05:05.32 | Kevin` | investigate it, it can |
| 05:05.49 | Kevin` | the kernel saves memory to swap and shuts the system down |
| 05:05.55 | Kevin` | doesn't involve bios |
| 05:06.15 | Kevin` | I think the command is s2disk or similar |
| 05:06.31 | Gnu_Raiz | my system locks up sometimes if I close the lid, |
| 05:06.47 | Kevin` | Nice. |
| 05:06.48 | metbsd | have you tried windows |
| 05:06.51 | Gnu_Raiz | my mouse pad freaks out at times also. |
| 05:07.14 | Kevin` | metbsd windows is not a comparable linux or unix operating system |
| 05:07.26 | Gnu_Raiz | this machine was made for windows ME, and XP runs on it but is slow. |
| 05:07.30 | metbsd | i have tried many os on my laptop, and i end up with win xp sp2 |
| 05:07.38 | Kevin` | :( |
| 05:07.41 | metbsd | oh damn |
| 05:07.42 | Kevin` | poor metbsd |
| 05:07.43 | Gnu_Raiz | the max memeory is 256, so xp is a dog even if I turn off some services. |
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| 05:07.52 | infernal_jesus | metbsd: because you couldn't configure stuff? |
| 05:07.53 | metbsd | yah it's ok |
| 05:08.06 | metbsd | must be the reason |
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| 05:08.31 | Gnu_Raiz | besides I only have a 10 gig harddrive, so windows would take like 80 percent of that. |
| 05:08.42 | metbsd | bluetooth, multi card reader, webcam, do not work on any linux or bsd |
| 05:08.51 | infernal_jesus | metbsd: that's the only reason I see people picking win over linux |
| 05:09.01 | Kevin` | bluetooth not working is rather odd |
| 05:09.03 | Kevin` | bluetooth is simple |
| 05:09.08 | infernal_jesus | metbsd: bluetooth works on my laptop |
| 05:09.11 | metbsd | and sound devide does not switch channels properly when i plug in earphone |
| 05:09.12 | infernal_jesus | and so does a webcam |
| 05:09.20 | infernal_jesus | haven't tried a multicard reader yet |
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| 05:09.39 | infernal_jesus | metbsd: I had the same problem with the sound running 'alsaconf' fixed it |
| 05:09.41 | metbsd | in windows, i plug in ear phone, the speakers off |
| 05:09.51 | metbsd | in linux, no.. |
| 05:09.56 | infernal_jesus | metbsd: in linux, yes :) |
| 05:10.00 | metbsd | they both had sound, haha |
| 05:10.01 | Gnu_Raiz | I might check into hibernation, but my battery probably won't last long enough to take advantage of it. |
| 05:10.12 | infernal_jesus | metbsd: just have to run 'alsaconf' or 'alsaconfig' can't remember |
| 05:10.13 | metbsd | i tried alsaconf |
| 05:10.19 | metbsd | no luck |
| 05:10.21 | DawnLight | should buy stuff that have a little penguin on the box. perhaps you can trade your equipment with someone for linux compatible stuff |
| 05:10.30 | infernal_jesus | metbsd: well then it's user error :P |
| 05:10.40 | metbsd | so i conclude that debian is only good for mail server |
| 05:10.42 | Gnu_Raiz | using two new batteries bought off ebay, I can only get 1 1 1/4 hours if I am lucky. |
| 05:11.04 | DawnLight | and a printer server |
| 05:11.06 | metbsd | i have less pain running win xp as workstation |
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| 05:11.58 | Gnu_Raiz | ouch can't stand win xp, my desktop is dual boot, have major problems every time I do a windows update. |
| 05:12.04 | richd | metbsd: of coures it can do more than that |
| 05:12.24 | Supaplex | he's right, winxp crashes better. it's more entertaining. |
| 05:12.44 | metbsd | generally debian makes good servers |
| 05:12.44 | Supaplex | metbsd: if you're trolling, well, we're very tired of that topic. otherwise, learn how to use it. |
| 05:12.53 | Gnu_Raiz | I have a crystal fontz lcd, and the last update made it crash. |
| 05:13.08 | metbsd | no, i'm not trolling, i don't know definition of trolling |
| 05:13.29 | infernal_jesus | metbsd: bashing stuff without arguments |
| 05:13.29 | Supaplex | go look it up |
| 05:13.30 | Gnu_Raiz | I have to reimage the box every few months, the only reason I have it is to play oblivion, and read .ppt files for school. |
| 05:13.34 | infernal_jesus | or facts to prove your point |
| 05:14.26 | metbsd | i didn't say things like "debian sucls. it's etch combine with outdate packages, and sid is very unstable" |
| 05:14.35 | metbsd | now that's trolling |
| 05:14.48 | metbsd | because you won't be able to deny it |
| 05:14.54 | holycow | no |
| 05:14.56 | holycow | you are just an idiot |
| 05:14.58 | richd | i have had everything work for me |
| 05:14.58 | holycow | thats all. |
| 05:15.00 | holycow | period. |
| 05:15.10 | richd | and i'm on a toshiba lappy |
| 05:15.15 | metbsd | but i was only saying how good debian is, for server |
| 05:15.42 | Gnu_Raiz | richd: I have an old thinkpad coming an x20 p3 which will be here in a day or so. |
| 05:15.45 | richd | and i disagree, based upon my exp with deb on a laooy and desktop and a server |
| 05:15.48 | richd | i love it for all |
| 05:15.55 | Gnu_Raiz | picked it up on ebay for 73 bones. |
| 05:15.59 | metbsd | in fact, all servers i'm working on, are debian etch |
| 05:16.03 | Gnu_Raiz | 16 freight. |
| 05:16.06 | richd | Gnu_Raiz: wow |
| 05:16.13 | metbsd | just workstations are win xp |
| 05:16.17 | Gnu_Raiz | I bet its better supported then my Sony. |
| 05:16.38 | richd | I'm glad that at least the srevers are using it. |
| 05:16.45 | Gnu_Raiz | I got it for my wife, her dell 600m blew a dc powerjack. |
| 05:17.09 | Gnu_Raiz | but she likes itunes, and I will have to fix it when I have more time. |
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| 05:17.40 | taime1 | is there a program out there that has badd ass visualizations like winamp did? |
| 05:17.46 | richd | Gnu_Raiz: dont yo uwish itunes was never invented... |
| 05:17.49 | taime1 | used to be able to open a stream in winamp by typing: linein://<stream url> and it worked with the visualization... |
| 05:17.53 | richd | xmms? |
| 05:17.56 | richd | taime1: |
| 05:18.09 | richd | oh, nvm then |
| 05:18.11 | richd | i think... |
| 05:18.17 | taime1 | xmms does visualizations? |
| 05:18.19 | Gnu_Raiz | richd: yeah if only they supported ogg. |
| 05:18.20 | richd | (anyone just jump on in here...) |
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| 05:18.42 | metbsd | there must be some reasons they use debian for servers, i don't know the reason yet |
| 05:18.47 | richd | i like xmms and kaffeine |
| 05:18.55 | Gnu_Raiz | most audio players will, amarok will, most gnome will. |
| 05:19.07 | Gnu_Raiz | but will it play m4p files. |
| 05:19.21 | taime1 | oh thats right, amarok just needs libvisual and plugins! thanks! later |
| 05:19.32 | richd | bye! |
| 05:19.54 | Gnu_Raiz | like what gui player doesn't support it nowadays. |
| 05:20.08 | Gnu_Raiz | I just hope he likes kde. |
| 05:20.15 | richd | man, i lovew these deb mirrors, i am dl-ing via http at 1740 KB/s |
| 05:20.22 | taime1 | yeah but winamp had the KILLER visuals |
| 05:20.22 | metbsd | amarok is quite good |
| 05:20.37 | Gnu_Raiz | as it will require a bunch of .debs. |
| 05:20.50 | richd | plus amarok has great integration too |
| 05:20.51 | Gnu_Raiz | you can make most packages run in gnome, |
| 05:20.52 | metbsd | just install kde, it's nice |
| 05:21.06 | holycow | taime1, you know, if you run winamp fo rthe visuals, one can suggest that maybe just mayb eyou are running it for the wrong reasons |
| 05:21.08 | Gnu_Raiz | just don't mind all the kde dependences. |
| 05:21.12 | metbsd | what do you like about gnome anway |
| 05:21.18 | holycow | one would think a media player would be best suited to play media |
| 05:21.30 | taime1 | i run linux for all the wrong reasons anyway... haha |
| 05:21.35 | richd | holycow: wait, i think your onto something there! |
| 05:21.44 | Kevin` | nah. |
| 05:21.45 | holycow | maybe someone should write visualiser app that can take any generic input and generate visuals for anything |
| 05:21.54 | metbsd | i run linux for one reason, server |
| 05:21.55 | Gnu_Raiz | I like it for the wife, the other day she thought she was in windows. until I told her it was linux. |
| 05:22.05 | Kevin` | a linux pc with a modern crt beats the hell out of all but the most expensive media devices |
| 05:22.10 | taime1 | night gentlemen |
| 05:22.11 | holycow | richd, i'm just brianstorming here |
| 05:22.20 | Gnu_Raiz | later. |
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| 05:22.27 | holycow | you know crazy idea to use a media player to play media files |
| 05:22.46 | richd | you know what i would love to see? I program that runs in background that look at what files are generally used together, and places them close to eachother on the hdd. kinda like a defrag, except for multiple files... |
| 05:23.00 | Gnu_Raiz | whats wrong with cdcd, or mpg123, or whatever it is now. |
| 05:23.27 | Gnu_Raiz | richd: lol its called a file system. |
| 05:23.33 | holycow | heh |
| 05:23.42 | holycow | you leave that crap to the fs |
| 05:23.44 | Gnu_Raiz | most file systes will have the files close on the harddrive, |
| 05:23.47 | richd | lol, but when the files arent close, the hd takes more time to get to each one |
| 05:23.56 | holycow | fs level stuff is extremely close to rocket science |
| 05:24.01 | richd | but what about, not initally after clean install? |
| 05:24.23 | Gnu_Raiz | if its journaled it should have a copy handy to were the files are. |
| 05:24.44 | richd | but it takes time to get there |
| 05:25.23 | richd | if it activly looked for what were generally used together and placed them by each on the little disc part (platter) |
| 05:25.35 | richd | i think that would be cool |
| 05:25.42 | richd | and i dont think anything really does that out there |
| 05:25.50 | Gnu_Raiz | I think most fs will have a clean up feature, that does inode cleanup. |
| 05:25.52 | richd | (can you thing of one that does something like that?) |
| 05:25.59 | holycow | first of all |
| 05:26.04 | metbsd | this is strange |
| 05:26.08 | richd | i bet |
| 05:26.10 | holycow | linux fs's DON'T require defraggin becuase guess what? |
| 05:26.14 | holycow | just guess? |
| 05:26.16 | metbsd | rndc reload zonename.com |
| 05:26.17 | richd | no, not defrag |
| 05:26.19 | DawnLight | i'm migrating my sister's box to debian from winxp. the internet connection in winxp is called a WAN Miniport (L2TP) and it has some sort of dialer dialogue window to connect. physically, its a cable modem connected by ethernet. does debian installer know how to use that? |
| 05:26.21 | holycow | THEY ALREADY DO THIS BY DESIGN! |
| 05:26.22 | Gnu_Raiz | I know that that freebsd has such a feature. |
| 05:26.27 | metbsd | rndc reload zonename.com does not reload zone |
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| 05:26.33 | richd | Gnu_Raiz: really? |
| 05:26.34 | holycow | catch my drift? |
| 05:26.46 | holycow | i.e. only shitty fs's say like ntfs need defragging |
| 05:26.53 | Kevin` | in linux, you really just leave the filesystem alone except for checking and everything works nicely |
| 05:26.58 | richd | i wasn't talking abot file fragments holycow, i was talking abou multiple files |
| 05:27.04 | Gnu_Raiz | it gets real detailed, but holycow is pretty much right. |
| 05:27.18 | Gnu_Raiz | the journal takes care of most of that. |
| 05:27.30 | metbsd | rndc reload zonename.com does not reload zone |
| 05:27.35 | Kevin` | ok, fine, in normal usage, you just leave it alone :) |
| 05:27.44 | richd | ok, well, that's pretty freaking cool then. (i thiought of that earlier today and wondered) |
| 05:28.03 | DawnLight | linux is built from the ground up |
| 05:28.09 | richd | Kevin`: and i do, but i was just wondering... |
| 05:28.09 | holycow | yep its pretty much as fast as it will ever get from an fs stand point |
| 05:28.18 | Gnu_Raiz | just becaused its named a journal, is a little misleading. |
| 05:28.54 | Gnu_Raiz | you have a lot of daemons doing cleanup, and prefetch stuff I am sure someone could explain it better. |
| 05:29.07 | holycow | the only optimizations left are litterally at the rocket science level |
| 05:29.12 | richd | Gnu_Raiz: i dont think i am thinking of prefetch |
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| 05:29.40 | holycow | things like reiser really did some very very fancy things to increase performance, but let me assure you, taking care of fragmentation was not the reason for the speed increases |
| 05:29.45 | holycow | defrag even |
| 05:29.49 | grumo | in the xorg.conf how do i select between vga and dvi out ( i have an ati card)? thanks |
| 05:29.54 | richd | would anyone be opposed if i gave an example of this actually in progress? |
| 05:30.07 | richd | grumo: good luc. ati is horrible |
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| 05:30.25 | grumo | richd any suggestion? |
| 05:30.26 | holycow | the other thing that might increase perforrmance is the completely fair scheduler in the new kernel |
| 05:30.54 | holycow | so if you start swapping or are copying files from one partition to another while compiling, you may see better allocation of kernel resources |
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| 05:34.34 | richd | suppose, you were to install a program, but you only got the base stuff. Then later, after you had been using the disk a while, you get the rest of the program and install it to its full capabilities. What i am thinking of, is a program that over time sees that when i run the program from the core install, it always asks for a read from a different sector of the hdd. The program, upon noticing this, puts the core install and the full install next |
| 05:34.34 | richd | to eachother so barely has to moce to read all the files it needs |
| 05:34.51 | karsten | The "All schedulers are perfect, but some are more perfect than others" scheduler? |
| 05:34.52 | richd | move*. that's what i'm thinking of |
| 05:35.33 | Gnu_Raiz | http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-fs.html#h14490 |
| 05:35.34 | richd | so the hdd barely has to move to read the files it needs* (sorry for my horrible typing in the dark) |
| 05:35.53 | Gnu_Raiz | ok a little time for your reading. |
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| 05:37.00 | ukine | etch: ran "hostname foo" and changed both instances of the old name in /etc/hosts, is that all (hostname change)? |
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| 05:38.04 | holycow | richd, like most of us, it sure read slike you know very little about how filesystems work |
| 05:38.04 | karsten | ukine: /etc/hostname as well, where it's set at boot. |
| 05:38.05 | holycow | :) |
| 05:38.06 | DawnLight_ | i'm migrating my sister's box to debian from winxp. the internet connection in winxp is called a WAN Miniport (L2TP) and it has some sort of dialer dialogue window to connect. physically, its a cable modem connected by ethernet. does debian installer know how to use that? |
| 05:38.21 | holycow | it's a fine idea but even reading that sounds extremely crude compared to what fs's already do |
| 05:38.32 | richd | :) holycow absolutly, but i dont need to know about fs at all. |
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| 05:38.42 | richd | holycow: it a program |
| 05:38.47 | ukine | karsten: thank you. noticed a sec ago it wasn't changed at the terminal prompt :) |
| 05:38.56 | richd | holycow: and it look at files used together |
| 05:38.59 | karsten | ukine: 'exec bash' |
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| 05:39.01 | holycow | no, you need to know about fs's because frankly your speaking nonsense |
| 05:39.10 | karsten | ukine: bash only sets hostname when it's started. |
| 05:39.11 | holycow | :) |
| 05:39.13 | richd | holycow: then writes them somewhere together |
| 05:39.16 | holycow | i mean that nicely an djokingly |
| 05:39.26 | richd | holycow: of course. |
| 05:39.35 | holycow | :) coolness |
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| 05:39.58 | karsten | DawnLight_: NFC. I suspect that that's essentially a router, but with some application API. Does it have a web interface as well? |
| 05:40.11 | richd | but really, it wouldn't matter the fs, so long as it can read and write data |
| 05:40.20 | holycow | uh |
| 05:40.23 | holycow | yes it does |
| 05:40.23 | karsten | DawnLight_: Manufacturer details would be helpful. |
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| 05:40.32 | holycow | THATS EXACTLY THE JOB OF THE FS |
| 05:40.45 | richd | holycow: my bad, read and then write back data together* |
| 05:40.55 | holycow | thats also silly |
| 05:40.59 | DawnLight_ | oh... i'll try and find one but it will be guessing. Thomson TCM425 |
| 05:41.04 | holycow | writing and reaading have vastly different requirements |
| 05:41.06 | richd | but the fs doesnt care where stuff is written in relation to eachother |
| 05:41.09 | holycow | thats alos the job of the fs |
| 05:41.14 | karsten | DawnLight_: Looks like you may want to use ppoe: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=379199 |
| 05:41.19 | holycow | yes it does |
| 05:41.22 | holycow | THAT IS THE JOB OF THE FS |
| 05:41.24 | ukine | karsten: 'exec bash' to have the new name take effect? |
| 05:41.38 | ukine | (sorry, linux stupid) |
| 05:41.47 | holycow | richd, read up on all the different fs implementations of exactly what you are talking about |
| 05:41.54 | ukine | just rebooted.. |
| 05:41.57 | holycow | it eally is rocket science and not at all as simple as you make it out to be |
| 05:41.59 | karsten | ukine: Yes. |
| 05:42.05 | richd | holycow: i am very excited to do so, and will |
| 05:42.11 | Gnu_Raiz | http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-jfs.html |
| 05:42.18 | ukine | ok. thanks again |
| 05:42.22 | Gnu_Raiz | that is if you like jfs. |
| 05:42.22 | karsten | ukine: Rebooting to update a hostname is probably overkill, though that _should_ do the trick ;-) |
| 05:42.31 | holycow | richd, its a nifty idea, but reading about it will get you a leg into the fs world, maybe you can help out there |
| 05:42.38 | karsten | ukine: Some system daemons may continue to log the old name for a bit. |
| 05:42.59 | DawnLight_ | thanks |
| 05:43.15 | jetx | heh nyle has the poty mouth record on the debstats and stoned has second place |
| 05:43.30 | DawnLight_ | i ate too much cake... ... ... |
| 05:43.43 | richd | Gnu_Raiz: yeah, reading it |
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| 05:44.07 | DawnLight_ | ... _ ... ... _ ... ... _ ... |
| 05:44.14 | streuner | !kill jetx |
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| 05:44.38 | streuner | jetscreamer got prolly most of the time ripped and jetx is the second ;-) |
| 05:44.52 | basti | hi. does anyone know a tool which can join mp4 files? |
| 05:45.16 | DawnLight_ | mp4join... j/k |
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| 05:45.21 | ukine | karsten: yeah, it's the rotted (windows) portion of my brain :D |
| 05:45.40 | basti | j/k? |
| 05:46.11 | ukine | basti: just kidding |
| 05:46.43 | Gnu_Raiz | basti: you could use cat, I have done that with other file types. |
| 05:47.25 | basti | i don´t think it will work with mp4, because of the headers. just like avi files |
| 05:48.31 | richd | i still dont think however, that my idea is being clear or coming across. holycow, what my somewhat confusing idea thinks of, is not possible for the fs to do by itself. A program would have to be the one doing all the work (monitoring file sequences and usage and such) |
| 05:48.50 | holycow | i just think you completely don't understand how fs's work |
| 05:48.53 | richd | in fact a fs couldn't do this at all |
| 05:49.09 | richd | i problably dont |
| 05:49.12 | holycow | i don't really think you evenknow what an fs is |
| 05:49.17 | richd | haha |
| 05:49.20 | holycow | that is to say, a 'file' doesn't actually exist |
| 05:49.44 | holycow | from an fs perspective |
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| 05:50.05 | richd | and thats why a fs couldn't pull my idea off |
| 05:50.11 | holycow | files and folders are just abstract ideas that only make sense to humans to an fs its completely different |
| 05:50.14 | holycow | uh no |
| 05:50.48 | holycow | richd, every wonder why you magically came up with this wonderfull idea yet genioiuses around the world with budgets and time on their hands to solve this problem haven't? |
| 05:51.00 | richd | fiar. |
| 05:51.05 | richd | fair* |
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| 05:51.15 | holycow | :) |
| 05:51.23 | tenco | hi |
| 05:51.34 | richd | well, sounds like my time to shine for all the world |
| 05:51.40 | holycow | indeed! |
| 05:51.43 | richd | :( and when i trip they laugh |
| 05:51.50 | tenco | someone knows why checkinstall ist part of oldstable, testing and unstable but not in stable? |
| 05:51.53 | holycow | thats the price of reaching for the sky |
| 05:54.28 | streuner | heh |
| 05:54.33 | richd | does KDE has a gui parted like gnome or can KDE run gparted or do i get to use my lovely friend parted? |
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| 05:54.55 | Kevin` | richd kde can run gparted, but there's also qtparted |
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| 05:55.00 | richd | ah |
| 05:55.02 | richd | that's the one |
| 05:55.04 | richd | thanks |
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| 05:55.49 | streuner | cafuego: was that a joke? |
| 05:55.58 | richd | Kevin`: i'm not seeing qtparted in qptitude |
| 05:56.02 | richd | you sure? |
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| 05:56.09 | richd | aptitude* |
| 05:56.13 | cafuego | streuner: hmm? |
| 05:56.15 | Kevin` | yes. |
| 05:56.20 | Kevin` | http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/ |
| 05:56.26 | streuner | * cafuego hat die Verbindung getrennt ("K-lined") |
| 05:56.37 | richd | ohhh, i'll have to go dl it myself... |
| 05:56.41 | cafuego | streuner: The real thing has no quotes. |
| 05:56.48 | Kevin` | !find bin/qtparted |
| 05:56.53 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/qtparted' (1): (/usr/sbin/qtparted) in x11/qtparted. |
| 05:57.00 | Kevin` | aptitude has it |
| 05:57.05 | Kevin` | you seem to be missing something =p |
| 05:57.05 | streuner | cafuego: well, surely made some better jokes in the past... |
| 05:57.14 | cafuego | streuner: blah |
| 05:57.29 | richd | i have main contrib annd non-free from mirrors.kernel.org |
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| 05:58.47 | richd | oh well, i will just use parted |
| 05:59.10 | holycow | richd, what does mirrors.kernel.org haveto do with debian packages? |
| 05:59.53 | jetscreamer | holycow: it's a mirror? |
| 06:00.00 | holycow | for debian? |
| 06:00.00 | richd | that's the mirror that i have setup in my apt sources |
| 06:00.04 | holycow | wow! i didn't know :) |
| 06:00.06 | jetscreamer | a slow nowadys sometimes mirror |
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| 06:00.19 | richd | i get at 1.7 MB px |
| 06:00.21 | holycow | richd, qtparted is in the repos |
| 06:00.22 | jetscreamer | i changed back to ftp.us |
| 06:00.35 | holycow | i've used it for years |
| 06:00.41 | jetscreamer | not slow but hangs is more like it |
| 06:00.41 | Kevin` | Hmm |
| 06:00.49 | richd | jetscreamer: really? |
| 06:00.50 | Kevin` | richd why not use gparted? |
| 06:00.57 | jetscreamer | for me it was doing that yeah |
| 06:00.59 | richd | jetscreamer: I have never had any problem |
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| 06:01.11 | jetscreamer | i never did either for a while |
| 06:01.18 | jetscreamer | maybe it was a fluke |
| 06:01.37 | richd | Kevin`: well, i was going to, but i fired up parted and did print, and realized that the free space wasn't bigenough for what i was hoping to do |
| 06:01.39 | jetscreamer | i've seen op bitch about it though |
| 06:02.01 | jetscreamer | i tried parted once... never again. |
| 06:02.36 | richd | jetscreamer: i'm fine with it |
| 06:03.14 | richd | anyway, so for my ntfs partitions tha i want to access, do i just grab the ntfsutils and install, then linux can acces ntfs no prob? |
| 06:03.27 | richd | (of course, after mounting) |
| 06:03.45 | richd | or do i need ntfs-3g or whatever? |
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| 06:04.13 | jetscreamer | use ntfs-36 to write |
| 06:04.20 | jetscreamer | ntfs to just read |
| 06:04.25 | jetscreamer | err 3g |
| 06:04.33 | Kevin` | ntfs can write to files if you don't chanve the size |
| 06:04.37 | Kevin` | ex: loopback |
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| 06:04.47 | holycow | jetscreamer, is ntfs write now stable? |
| 06:04.58 | richd | hmmm, and i dont see ntfs-3g in my aptitude list either... |
| 06:05.02 | jetscreamer | holycow: ntfs-3g seems to work fine, all i know |
| 06:05.24 | richd | really wierd... |
| 06:05.56 | jetscreamer | ntfs doesn'tntfs-3g is slow though |
| 06:05.59 | jetscreamer | err |
| 06:06.02 | richd | ok, time to add another mirror to my sources for apt |
| 06:06.03 | jetscreamer | ntfs-3g is slow though |
| 06:06.18 | sebdah | Hi there! I'm having a little problem. Using postfix all mail go to /var/mail/username stored in a file. But when I connect to Courier (IMAP) it checks for a Maildir, how can I make Postfix deliver to /home/username/Maildir or Courier to look for mail in /var/mail/username? |
| 06:06.37 | Kevin` | richd I don't see it either. it might not be in stable |
| 06:06.44 | richd | is there a command i can do to add a new mirror for my apt? I know of apt-cdrom and such |
| 06:07.07 | Kevin` | richd $EDITOR /etc/apt/sources.lst =p |
| 06:07.10 | richd | yup, its unstabe too |
| 06:07.34 | richd | i generally use that approach, but i hate having to look up the mirror list |
| 06:08.25 | jetscreamer | ftp.us.debian.org |
| 06:08.27 | jetscreamer | round robin |
| 06:08.42 | jetscreamer | subtitute your country code |
| 06:08.43 | richd | doing it now |
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| 06:08.49 | richd | (US) |
| 06:09.15 | jetscreamer | funny thing is, i'm not usre but mirros.kernel might be the first in the robin list |
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| 06:20.40 | Kjikaqawej | jetscreamer: usually is IIRC |
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| 06:22.45 | punsad | I tried installing etch on my old laptop and it didn't seem to have the drivers for my Dlink 650 card. What gives? It installed with sarge just fine! some googling indicates its under the 'madwifi' category |
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| 06:23.09 | richd | i had some troubles with that initally too |
| 06:23.21 | punsad | I used both 4.0 netinst and disk1 disks. Neither worked |
| 06:23.31 | richd | when you do ifconfig what does it say? sit0 or ath0? |
| 06:24.06 | punsad | richd: well... it wouldn't even get that far for debian. It just would get recognized... so I had no interfaces. |
| 06:24.20 | punsad | cat /proc/net/wireless gave the null set |
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| 06:24.33 | richd | are you aware of the madwifi VAP system? |
| 06:24.42 | punsad | richd: no |
| 06:24.47 | richd | you have to create the interface |
| 06:25.14 | punsad | richd: even if I created it, the disk didn't seem to have the drivers necessary |
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| 06:25.29 | richd | no, the netboot disk wont |
| 06:25.44 | richd | won't the netbook at least get you to command line? |
| 06:25.56 | richd | or can you install to the point of command line? |
| 06:25.56 | punsad | richd: thats why I went and downloaded disk1 of the full set... and it didn't have it either |
| 06:26.48 | punsad | richd: I gave up once I found out I couldn't get the card working |
| 06:26.52 | richd | it wont |
| 06:27.38 | punsad | richd: I seem to recall some option about loading drivers from a floppy... but I dont have that option since this is on a laptop with no floppy |
| 06:27.49 | richd | you have to dl the drivers yourself, or get more cds (think of how many ppl have madwifi) is it more than the number of people that use gnome? no? that's why gnome is on first cd and madwifi isn't |
| 06:28.03 | jetscreamer | dvd#1 :( |
| 06:28.16 | richd | you get to a command line, and plug in you usb stick that has the drivers on it |
| 06:28.22 | punsad | richd: alls I know is that I didn't have to go through this rigamarole pre-etch |
| 06:28.32 | richd | then you use dpkg to install the drivers |
| 06:28.33 | jetscreamer | i wonder if doing it via goodbye-windows.com would make sure the driver was there.. probably not eh |
| 06:28.37 | richd | then boom, your done |
| 06:28.46 | richd | jetscreamer: doubt it |
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| 06:29.47 | punsad | so now I'm using ubuntu and it's like "ICK!" |
| 06:29.50 | richd | punsad: chances are, pre-etch used the now, madwifi-old |
| 06:30.07 | richd | which didn't support VAP |
| 06:30.19 | richd | you have to install the drivers, then create an interface |
| 06:30.26 | richd | then connect, then you are up and running |
| 06:30.47 | richd | the madwifi-old just came up as ath0 (or 1,2,3) |
| 06:30.59 | punsad | richd: how do I create the interface? what's the command? |
| 06:31.15 | richd | ummm, lemme go see |
| 06:31.26 | punsad | richd: don't bother... I can google |
| 06:31.53 | richd | got it |
| 06:31.55 | richd | wlanconfig |
| 06:31.55 | punsad | I mainly wanted to see if anyone else had this problem. Looks like this is just 'the way it is' |
| 06:32.17 | punsad | is that even available during install? |
| 06:32.21 | richd | when you do that, it will error you and tell you what to do |
| 06:32.26 | richd | probly not |
| 06:32.37 | richd | do you also have dvd # 2 or #3? |
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| 06:32.57 | punsad | I use CDs (don't even have a dvd drive on this laptop) |
| 06:33.20 | richd | or can you use a flashdrive to copy madwifi .deb from comp with internet to it? |
| 06:33.41 | richd | (it doesn't already have the madwifi drivers on it, right?) |
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| 06:34.21 | punsad | richd: no.. the madwifi drivers are not on the install cds (disk1 or netinst) |
| 06:34.34 | jetscreamer | !thinkpad |
| 06:34.34 | dpkg | from memory, thinkpad is one of the best laptops you can buy, the problems only occur with very old versions, or http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki, or some may also restrict Mini PCI card usage, see http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/thinkpad/wireless.html |
| 06:34.41 | richd | ok, but can you tranfer the deb with a usb stick? |
| 06:34.52 | punsad | I usually don't venture into debian installs if I can't get the net working from the start |
| 06:35.04 | infernal_jesus | !dell |
| 06:35.04 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ or the worst company you could ever do business with, or crap, or http://www.domsch.com/linux/ or http://linux.dell.com/ |
| 06:35.05 | richd | well, yo uwon't this time |
| 06:35.51 | richd | i hope that you have a change of heart, and try it from command line up |
| 06:35.58 | richd | it generally isn't too hard |
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| 06:37.12 | punsad | assuming I can find the drivers (which are really kernel modules)... then don't I have to just hope and pray that they are compiled for the same kernel I'm running? |
| 06:37.35 | kenboo | what's wrong with dell ? |
| 06:37.46 | infernal_jesus | kenboo: nothing, I love dell |
| 06:37.54 | infernal_jesus | cheap, robust, reliable laptops |
| 06:37.59 | infernal_jesus | which now can be shipped with linux |
| 06:38.06 | punsad | I dunno why someone triggered the bot for that |
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| 06:38.18 | infernal_jesus | I did, I was interested what it had to say for it |
| 06:38.22 | punsad | oh |
| 06:38.48 | infernal_jesus | and it said crap or bad to do business with |
| 06:38.51 | infernal_jesus | but that's not true |
| 06:38.56 | infernal_jesus | customer service is helpful |
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| 06:39.03 | richd | punsad: no, you can use module assistant to build them for your kernel |
| 06:39.05 | infernal_jesus | they can refund your vista money if you want |
| 06:39.21 | punsad | richd: is the module assistant installed by default? |
| 06:39.23 | kenboo | wow...that's quite unusual.. |
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| 06:39.31 | Rapp | hi everyone! |
| 06:39.34 | moshii | Dell's gold support is mental too |
| 06:39.41 | punsad | if not - I'm in trouble.. remember - I have not net connection - can't apt-get |
| 06:39.42 | Kjikaqawej | dell is one of the few that does that AFAIK |
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| 06:40.06 | Rapp | how do i get the fuse module to automatically load? i tried an "alias /dev/fuse fuse", wihtout help |
| 06:40.08 | richd | that's true... |
| 06:40.11 | moshii | "cheap and cheerful" describes their hardware however |
| 06:40.13 | richd | no way to ethernet in?> |
| 06:40.17 | punsad | nope |
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| 06:40.42 | punsad | this is circa 1998. no ethernet port |
| 06:40.50 | richd | yeah, go with precompiled maswifi modules (in their .debs) |
| 06:41.02 | kenboo | but mobos of dell are provided by Aopen, Intel. dell doesn't make it afaik |
| 06:41.04 | richd | but, you can makesure you get the right one for you kernel |
| 06:41.07 | infernal_jesus | moshii: had a dell desktop for a year now (maybe year and a half) and a laptop for a few months, nothing has malfunctioned |
| 06:41.48 | richd | after you install there are plaenty of ways to see what kernel you have, then dl the .deb from madwifi for it |
| 06:41.53 | moshii | infernal_jesus: exactly, but when you come to update it.. |
| 06:42.18 | richd | then you can connect to internet, and do everything else |
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| 06:42.55 | infernal_jesus | moshii: what do you mean? |
| 06:43.08 | punsad | hey thanks richdd... I'll try those things. If worse comes to worse - I think I still have my sarge netinst cd around here... I can then just apt-get upgrade and see if that works |
| 06:43.12 | punsad | gnight |
| 06:43.20 | richd | bye! |
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| 06:43.47 | moshii | infernal_jesus: the board you get inside a dell will generally have 2/3 expansion slots instead of 5 and so forth |
| 06:43.50 | richd | anyone know of some really great games in the deb repos? |
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| 06:44.19 | infernal_jesus | moshii: you mean on a desktop? seems pretty standard and usual to me |
| 06:44.31 | infernal_jesus | you can get the smaller versions |
| 06:44.36 | holycow | depends what you mean by great |
| 06:44.38 | infernal_jesus | but you can get the "normal" ones as well |
| 06:44.40 | holycow | i like neverball |
| 06:44.43 | richd | k |
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| 06:45.19 | richd | looks cool |
| 06:45.21 | richd | thanks |
| 06:45.27 | holycow | sure |
| 06:45.27 | richd | holycow: any others? |
| 06:45.33 | k31th | Morning |
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| 06:45.47 | holycow | nothing else comes to mind, there are some decent ones but i don't play games |
| 06:45.48 | moshii | infernal_jesus: hmm we had around 100 at my place.. they have wierd bios things too, but overall they are pretty good for the money |
| 06:45.53 | holycow | not anymore anyway |
| 06:46.03 | richd | holycow: not so much for me either, hence i wonder |
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| 06:46.26 | infernal_jesus | moshii: as I said, I haven't had any problems |
| 06:46.46 | infernal_jesus | and as far as I've been around (banks mostly) I have seen that most of them use dell servers |
| 06:48.10 | holycow | we stay away from dell |
| 06:48.16 | holycow | we preffer ibm |
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| 06:48.30 | richd | I use ibm |
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| 06:48.51 | moshii | infernal_jesus: a lot of sites use dell for internal office servers and then hp or sun for business critical applications |
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| 06:49.15 | richd | (yes, i, me, myself.) but hey, a netfinity for cheap is nice, and linux has worked great on it for me |
| 06:49.31 | infernal_jesus | moshii: in these banks, it wasn't for internal servers, it was for everything, every single server or piece of equipment was from dell |
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| 06:50.02 | moshii | infernal_jesus: the dell rep did a good job then |
| 06:50.02 | richd | well, i g2g |
| 06:50.05 | richd | see yalls latrer |
| 06:50.10 | growler | unfortunately we're an all Dell shop |
| 06:50.11 | kenboo | hmm in my country banks still use main frames |
| 06:50.15 | infernal_jesus | holycow: to be honest, I wanted an IBM Thinkpad R60e, but unfortunately, Lenovo does not ship to my place of residence, so I went with dell |
| 06:50.23 | mad_muppet | can anyone suggest a good ide for java programming on debian? |
| 06:50.44 | kenboo | mad_muppet, eclipse? |
| 06:50.46 | jetscreamer | eclipse is good i hear but no idea |
| 06:51.39 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 06:52.08 | mad_muppet | I have tried installing eclipse .. but there is another minimalist ide that I used a couple of months ago that I liked better .. |
| 06:53.01 | holycow | emacs? |
| 06:53.36 | Rapp | hm, where can i find some verbose documentation for modutils? especially syntax of /etc/modutils/*? |
| 06:53.53 | Rapp | still trying to autoload fuse module... |
| 06:53.56 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search java | grep ide or something |
| 06:55.48 | mad_muppet | holycow: it wasnt emacs tho I have been looking at that option .. wish there was some understandable docs online for setting it up .. |
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| 07:02.57 | Yggdrasil | can somone help me diagnose , my script. trying to use fapg to make playlists for my entire mp3 directory. its working but wont if thers a space in the filename. |
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| 07:03.04 | Yggdrasil | http://pastebin.com/m7e1836f1 |
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| 07:03.36 | k31th | Any of you guys running Asterisk on debian ? |
| 07:03.39 | litage | Yggdrasil: use quotes around you filenames |
| 07:03.54 | Yggdrasil | i tried that, doesnt work. |
| 07:04.05 | litage | you can refer to a file like this: "this filename has spaces" or like this: this\ filename\ has\ spaces |
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| 07:04.49 | litage | Yggdrasil: no you're not. look at your script again |
| 07:04.57 | Yggdrasil | i did cd "\"media/storeage/mp3/$dir\"" |
| 07:05.16 | litage | Yggdrasil: and what about the other usage of $dir? |
| 07:05.21 | harpal | any one know how to capture packet using pcap? tutorials |
| 07:05.41 | Yggdrasil | litage, ahh yes |
| 07:05.43 | Yggdrasil | ill change that |
| 07:06.09 | litage | harpal: check the wireshark website and read the wireshark manpage |
| 07:06.55 | litage | harpal: also, if you're capturing from the CLI, check out tshark rather than wireshark |
| 07:06.56 | harpal | but they describe that how to use pcap |
| 07:07.00 | jetscreamer | Yggdrasil: use tab complete |
| 07:07.05 | jetscreamer | it works good |
| 07:07.18 | Yggdrasil | i dont knwo what that is |
| 07:07.26 | litage | jetscreamer: what do you mean, "use tab complete"? |
| 07:07.28 | jetscreamer | type a letter or two, hit the tab key |
| 07:07.37 | harpal | I want to capture packet to some particular port and extract some information |
| 07:07.45 | litage | jetscreamer: you can use tab completion with bash scripts? |
| 07:07.45 | jetscreamer | cd this<TAB> |
| 07:07.51 | jetscreamer | ah script nm |
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| 07:07.57 | jetscreamer | :/ |
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| 07:08.05 | unknow990 | Hello Guys. |
| 07:08.08 | nanonyme | do a perl script and you won't have to play around with the \"? ^^ |
| 07:08.13 | litage | harpal: read up on wireshark if you can capture using a gui, or tshark if you're capturing from the cli |
| 07:08.23 | jetscreamer | i thought it was command line |
| 07:08.27 | Yggdrasil | mhmm |
| 07:08.37 | Yggdrasil | well i think its a cool thing to have here |
| 07:08.48 | harpal | litage: ok thanx |
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| 07:09.07 | nanonyme | perl accepts q// and many other things as quotes :) |
| 07:09.33 | litage | harpal: np |
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| 07:12.52 | Yggdrasil | hmmm |
| 07:13.06 | Yggdrasil | now its not working at all |
| 07:13.08 | Yggdrasil | ehhaha |
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| 07:14.54 | Yggdrasil | litage, should i use ' or " |
| 07:15.10 | Yggdrasil | script will take ' with out work if i want " i have to /" |
| 07:15.15 | Yggdrasil | niether works btw |
| 07:15.26 | litage | Yggdrasil: there's a huge difference between single- and double-quotes |
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| 07:16.04 | litage | Yggdrasil: characters inside single-quotes are not interpolated. so if you did '$dir' you'd get literally a dollar sign and then "dir" |
| 07:16.16 | nanonyme | heh |
| 07:16.24 | litage | Yggdrasil: however, characters inside double-quotes ARE interpolated. so "$dir" would give you the contents of the variable named "dir" |
| 07:16.39 | Dewio | does anyone understand top output? |
| 07:16.50 | Dewio | I have been trying to figure out for ages why I see such large differences between VIRT and RES |
| 07:16.54 | Yggdrasil | dewio try htop |
| 07:16.55 | Dewio | but I'm using barely any swap |
| 07:17.08 | Dewio | http://pastebin.ca/630478 |
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| 07:17.39 | Yggdrasil | litage so i should be using cd "\"/media/general/mp3/$dir\"" |
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| 07:18.12 | litage | Yggdrasil: line 3 is fine. $dir on line 4 needs to be enclosed in double-quotes |
| 07:18.28 | Yggdrasil | hold on |
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| 07:18.45 | Yggdrasil | i dont think 3 is fine |
| 07:19.01 | Dewio | litage / Yggdrasil : alright guys, I'll give it a try. mouse support and stuff sounds nice |
| 07:19.51 | unknow990 | can anybody help me to make translate from IP to hostname? |
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| 07:20.17 | Yggdrasil | mousesupport ? hmm |
| 07:20.29 | Yggdrasil | litage i |
| 07:20.32 | Yggdrasil | im an idiot |
| 07:20.34 | Yggdrasil | your right |
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| 07:21.13 | litage | Yggdrasil: =) |
| 07:21.18 | Yggdrasil | thanks |
| 07:21.27 | litage | Yggdrasil: np. just remember to use more quotes |
| 07:21.34 | Yggdrasil | hehe |
| 07:21.41 | Dewio | litage / Yggdrasil : wow, now I see literally hundreds of java processes. It's still showing the same nonsensical figures though. |
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| 07:22.04 | Yggdrasil | dewio you can sort easier and um.. i think its pertty well explained at the bottom |
| 07:22.06 | Yggdrasil | ? |
| 07:22.20 | Dewio | well f1 and f2 don't work for me |
| 07:22.35 | Dewio | and I can't figure out how to collapse the hundreds of duplicate processes |
| 07:22.54 | Dewio | my point isn't that I don't understand the figures - it's that the figures as I understand them make no sense |
| 07:22.58 | Dewio | and are contradictory |
| 07:23.03 | Dewio | in top or htop |
| 07:23.05 | litage | Dewio: a long time ago, someone wise told me that you can't just add up the memory usage numbers to figure out totals being used. for example, multiple processes often use the same libraries (eg: ssl), and that library is only loaded once, but its size is reported for all processes using it |
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| 07:23.32 | netdaemon | i'm having trouble deciding an email client...sylpheed or icedove? |
| 07:23.32 | Dewio | litage: sure, but the VIRT for java alone is bigger than my total system memory and swap!! |
| 07:23.39 | cafuego | Dewio: The different java ones may wll be threads, not processes. Top as-is cannot distinguish between processes and threads, so the totals from the columns are probably way off. |
| 07:23.41 | Dewio | litage: no amount of sharing can explain that |
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| 07:24.16 | Dewio | litage: total USED I mean, not total available |
| 07:24.28 | litage | Dewio: sharing was only one example of how totals can be skewed. i'm sure there are others that i don't know about |
| 07:24.35 | nanonyme | indeed, it should be even worse with threads |
| 07:24.56 | Dewio | litage: I guess it brings me back to the age-old question - how do I know how much swapping is going on? |
| 07:25.13 | Dewio | litage: I ran vmstat for 2 weeks, the one with the "si" and "so" columns, and it was all zeroes |
| 07:25.19 | litage | Dewio: /usr/bin/free -m |
| 07:25.25 | AlonzoTG | hi im AlonzoTG |
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| 07:25.40 | AlonzoTG | I have a problem. |
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| 07:25.55 | Dewio | litage: what does that tell me? |
| 07:26.15 | Dewio | litage: for example, assuming I decide I don't have enough RAM. How do I determine what process is using the resources? |
| 07:26.19 | litage | Dewio: ``free -m'' tells me how much swap is being used.. |
| 07:26.38 | Dewio | litage: people always say in here that "unused RAM is wasted RAM, don't worry about how much is used" |
| 07:26.47 | Kevin` | Dewio use top and see which process is using the most vm or ram |
| 07:26.51 | AlonzoTG | Can someone help me with me problem? |
| 07:27.06 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 07:27.06 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 07:27.21 | Dewio | Kevin`: as I've been saying, java has a bigger VIRT than my entire physical RAM, plus used swap. How is this possible. |
| 07:27.27 | jetscreamer | hint hint |
| 07:27.33 | AlonzoTG | problem: my paycheck is too big for the credit column. =( |
| 07:27.41 | AlonzoTG | This is gnucash! |
| 07:27.53 | AlonzoTG | wait, |
| 07:27.55 | AlonzoTG | is |
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| 07:27.57 | AlonzoTG | that really |
| 07:27.57 | holycow | what are you some sort of millionaier? |
| 07:28.02 | Dewio | AlonzoTG: there's your problem. People who write open source software don't have big paychecks :) |
| 07:28.02 | AlonzoTG | a problem? ;) |
| 07:28.08 | litage | hahahahh |
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| 07:28.23 | AlonzoTG | but seriously, I have to highlight and scroll to see all digits.... |
| 07:28.25 | holycow | if you want help with that i can help siphone off some of the cash to let you input yoru payamounts into gnucash |
| 07:28.26 | AlonzoTG | This is gnucash |
| 07:28.48 | Dewio | AlonzoTG: make fonts smaller? |
| 07:28.51 | AlonzoTG | It wouldn't help because I have to credit my capital before. |
| 07:28.55 | Dewio | AlonzoTG: fields are probably measured in pixels |
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| 07:29.12 | AlonzoTG | and I can't really change column size. |
| 07:29.21 | Dewio | AlonzoTG: that's why I say fonts |
| 07:29.43 | Yggdrasil | litage, on that script what does . > $dir mean ? |
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| 07:30.08 | litage | Yggdrasil: the ">" is a redirect |
| 07:30.25 | Yggdrasil | trying to get it to do recursive .. |
| 07:30.34 | holycow | Yggdrasil, neat nick, is that a reference to norse mythology? |
| 07:30.41 | Yggdrasil | yes indeed |
| 07:30.46 | Yggdrasil | indeedilly |
| 07:30.48 | holycow | coolness |
| 07:30.49 | Yggdrasil | doodly |
| 07:30.51 | nanonyme | world tree or whatever it was? |
| 07:30.57 | Yggdrasil | yar |
| 07:31.04 | Yggdrasil | thats it |
| 07:31.10 | Yggdrasil | dont steal it from me now |
| 07:31.14 | nanonyme | :P |
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| 07:31.29 | Yggdrasil | litage , ok i think i got it |
| 07:31.35 | Dewi | so anyway, does anyone feel confident enough to explain what sort of system resources java is using? |
| 07:31.39 | Yggdrasil | i think |
| 07:32.03 | nanonyme | not of the quality, only on the quantity |
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| 07:32.29 | nanonyme | since the quantity would be a lot :) |
| 07:32.55 | Yggdrasil | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.00 | MasterGH | hi, I've been wondering why, in Debian, some of the symbols in the character set are replaced with a box with 4 numbers/letters in it? I am experiencing this with all fonts |
| 07:33.26 | litage | Yggdrasil: that's fine |
| 07:33.33 | Yggdrasil | hmm its freaking it out |
| 07:33.35 | Yggdrasil | screw it |
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| 07:33.50 | litage | Yggdrasil: these are all the same: "../$dir.m3u" ../"$dir".m3u ../"$dir.m3u" |
| 07:33.59 | litage | Yggdrasil: you've asked some very basic questions, so i recommend you read some bash intros/tutorials , such as http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashGuide |
| 07:34.07 | Yggdrasil | ok thanks |
| 07:34.08 | growler | MasterGH: unicode that your font lacks characters for |
| 07:34.11 | growler | presumably |
| 07:34.13 | Dewi | MasterGH: it means you don't have any fonts that support that particular unicode char |
| 07:34.28 | Dewi | MasterGH: it should automatically fall back to any font that supports it |
| 07:34.50 | Dewi | MasterGH: last time I saw that I tried installing a whole bunch of international-looking fonts |
| 07:34.54 | Dewi | and it seemed to help |
| 07:35.01 | MasterGH | ah, ok |
| 07:35.02 | Yggdrasil | litage, however iwas refering to the differene beetween fapg -r . > "../$dir.m3u" and fapg . > "../$dir.m3u" |
| 07:35.20 | Yggdrasil | but ill go read now, thanks for the help |
| 07:35.57 | litage | Yggdrasil: ah, i have no idea what fapg does. you'd have to read its manpage to find out what -r does |
| 07:36.17 | Yggdrasil | yea should work, thats where i would pass an option on.. |
| 07:36.22 | litage | Yggdrasil: this is how i'd do what you're trying to do though: for i in *; do fapg -r "$i" >"$i.m3u"; done |
| 07:36.22 | MasterGH | Dewi: do you remember any of the fonts that helped? |
| 07:36.25 | Yggdrasil | i think theres something else going on. |
| 07:36.49 | Yggdrasil | ill note it , and read |
| 07:36.50 | litage | Yggdrasil: try my method =) |
| 07:36.54 | Yggdrasil | ok |
| 07:37.02 | Yggdrasil | but its too late now, im wrigint it down |
| 07:37.06 | Dewi | MasterGH: I don't know what does what but |
| 07:37.07 | Dewi | MasterGH: ttf-dejavu, ttf-freefont, ttf-mgopen, ttf-opensymbol, ttf-summersby |
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| 07:37.33 | litage | Yggdrasil: whatever floats your boat... |
| 07:37.34 | MasterGH | Dewi: thanks, I'll try them |
| 07:37.36 | Dewi | MasterGH: those seem to be the font packages I have installed. I seem to have support for arabic, some (but not all) of japanese... |
| 07:37.47 | Yggdrasil | litage haha i dont htink i can go on much more tohgint |
| 07:37.48 | Yggdrasil | .. |
| 07:37.50 | Yggdrasil | ill do it |
| 07:37.52 | Dewi | MasterGH: you will need to search around for the specific languages you need, since unicode is massive |
| 07:37.56 | litage | Yggdrasil: good luck |
| 07:38.41 | Dewi | MasterGH: and there is unlikely to be One True Font |
| 07:38.48 | MasterGH | Dewi: ok, thanks, need to go now, I'll try that later |
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| 07:39.44 | Yggdrasil | litage |
| 07:39.48 | Yggdrasil | perfect |
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| 07:40.10 | Yggdrasil | i can tell it really working becauses its taking al ong time going into all the subdirectorys |
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| 07:40.47 | Yggdrasil | thank you |
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| 07:42.32 | zrin | I've built an etch server and last I've added was libnss-ldap, samba and bonding. Now /sbin/init hangs - the box does not boot any more. The last line is "INIT: version 2.86 booting" - it stayed like that whole night. I've already restored a snapshot of the root fs (which was made before ldap/samba/bonding and possibly few other installs) and it booted normally - but what could that have to... |
| 07:42.33 | zrin | ...do with init?!? I'm getting a bit desperate ... please help |
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| 07:43.53 | litage | Yggdrasil: you're welcome =) don't forget to read [parts of] that url i gave you. also, bookmark it for future use |
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| 07:45.12 | EruditeHermit | hey, can anyone help me with libgtkmm-2.4-doc? In the documentation it says the examples are supposed to have Makefiles but the documentation in the debian packages only have Makefile.in and Makefile.am with no configure or autogen.sh to make a Makefile |
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| 07:47.28 | AnnaBot | # Appears as ANNA |
| 07:47.39 | AlonzoTG | !greet |
| 07:47.40 | AnnaBot | (#G1<:E010M1) I am Anna! |
| 07:47.52 | tarzeau | is this microsoft comic chat codes? |
| 07:47.57 | AlonzoTG | Yeah. |
| 07:48.00 | tarzeau | please don't do that |
| 07:48.14 | AlonzoTG | !mschat |
| 07:48.15 | AnnaBot | (#G1<:E210M1) I give Comic Strip Chat as ANNA! |
| 07:48.19 | AlonzoTG | Okay. |
| 07:48.34 | AlonzoTG | !part |
| 07:48.34 | dpkg | methinks part is a win32 partition editor and the homepage at http://www.ranish.com/part/ |
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| 07:48.40 | xand | sigh |
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| 07:49.05 | zrin | wasn't that partman? |
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| 07:49.30 | AlonzoTG | SORRY! |
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| 07:49.54 | zrin | I'll be thankful for any hint about /sbin/init hanging, please give me your thoughts |
| 07:49.59 | MangosDebian | xand: hey! morning. sheesh, up early :) |
| 07:50.57 | xand | I'm not, it's nearly 9! |
| 07:51.09 | MangosDebian | thats not early? |
| 07:51.16 | xand | not for me :( |
| 07:52.07 | MangosDebian | well, that was early for me lol. quit that :p |
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| 07:52.15 | xand | o.O |
| 07:53.51 | MangosDebian | anyways, coffee time, afk |
| 07:54.50 | tenco | sounds like sysadmin meeting :D |
| 07:55.20 | juancgt | how can i check if my ati card has direct rendering enabled? |
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| 07:56.20 | tenco | juancgt: glxinfo |
| 07:56.27 | Agrajag- | does anyone know of anything like a procmail frontend for users, just to filter mail into different imap folders? im using exim/procmail/dovecot at the moment, but can't really expect normal users to go and edit .procmailrc files |
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| 07:58.20 | juancgt | tenco, i dont have glxinfo ... |
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| 07:59.12 | tenco | juancgt: apt-file search glxinfo -> turns out it's in package mesa-utils |
| 07:59.26 | xand | Agrajag-: you don't need procmail to do that with exim c.c |
| 07:59.42 | xand | exim filters are quite capable, not that that answers your question |
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| 08:00.56 | Agrajag- | xand: im happy to use anything that'll do the job. i just need Stupid Users to be able to edit the rules themselves |
| 08:01.51 | juancgt | tenco, direct rendering: No |
| 08:01.58 | juancgt | :( |
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| 08:03.04 | jmg | hi all |
| 08:03.16 | jmg | anyone know why libabpache2-mod-python2.5 isnt in sid? |
| 08:03.17 | tenco | juancgt: which card is it, btw? |
| 08:03.28 | juancgt | tenco, ati x300 |
| 08:03.42 | tenco | juancgt: mobile? |
| 08:03.46 | juancgt | tenco, yes |
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| 08:04.34 | juancgt | tenco, i am using the ati driver in my xorg.conf |
| 08:04.41 | tenco | juancgt: i have a xpress 200 m here and the oss x11 driver does not support dri |
| 08:04.52 | tenco | juancgt: ati is the oss one |
| 08:04.54 | netdaemon | hrm, why was nvidia-glx moved from lenny? |
| 08:05.07 | tenco | juancgt: maybe you want to try ati's fglrx |
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| 08:05.18 | juancgt | tenco, but i though they added dri recently |
| 08:05.37 | tenco | juancgt: you running etch? |
| 08:05.45 | juancgt | tenco, yes |
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| 08:07.03 | tenco | juancgt: maybe etch's xorg is not recent enough |
| 08:07.31 | mahtavamatt | Is there a "net nanny" equivalent for linux? |
| 08:08.18 | infernal_jesus | mahtavamatt: why would you censor sites for your children? |
| 08:08.25 | infernal_jesus | that is wrong on oh so many levels |
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| 08:12.12 | netdaemon | agreed |
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| 08:15.24 | jetscreamer | yeah why won't you let your 8 year old look at hardcore porn |
| 08:15.54 | jmg | jetscreamer: they wont be interested |
| 08:16.02 | jetscreamer | i know that's a lie |
| 08:16.04 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 08:16.10 | jetscreamer | from personal experience |
| 08:16.22 | jetscreamer | i tried to get laid when i was 4 |
| 08:16.23 | jmg | if you raise them properly they will self monitor |
| 08:16.25 | jetscreamer | seriously |
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| 08:16.32 | jmg | jetscreamer: so did i |
| 08:16.47 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 08:16.55 | jmg | mahtavamatt: just set up squid and tell them you are watching everything they do |
| 08:17.23 | infernal_jesus | so what's bad about porn? |
| 08:17.24 | mavhc | dansguardian is perhaps the best filter |
| 08:17.26 | azeem | http://xkcd.com/c293.html |
| 08:17.31 | infernal_jesus | so what if the kids wanna watch that |
| 08:17.40 | infernal_jesus | when I was a kid my parents didn't ban it for me |
| 08:17.44 | infernal_jesus | I'd see it on tv |
| 08:17.47 | jetscreamer | actually, a lot is wrong with pron, from an individual point of view |
| 08:17.47 | infernal_jesus | they'd be like oke |
| 08:17.50 | ecm | Yeah, now you're 'infernal jesus' |
| 08:17.50 | infernal_jesus | *ok |
| 08:17.57 | infernal_jesus | but then I'd change it |
| 08:18.05 | azeem | jetscreamer: a lot is wrong with talking about porn in here |
| 08:18.08 | infernal_jesus | because I really wasn't interested in that when I was a child |
| 08:18.15 | jmg | infernal_jesus: exactly |
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| 08:18.39 | infernal_jesus | if "bad words" are to be banned? that's also stupid |
| 08:18.40 | jmg | what people like jetscreamer are scared of is their kids developing their own ideas about things |
| 08:18.47 | infernal_jesus | jmg: yeah |
| 08:18.47 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 08:19.02 | jetscreamer | once again, i'm speaking from personal experience... |
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| 08:19.06 | infernal_jesus | a child will hear "bad words" sooner or later |
| 08:19.21 | infernal_jesus | and not being able to know what they are from an early stage |
| 08:19.26 | infernal_jesus | the child will learn them on the street |
| 08:19.28 | infernal_jesus | or in school |
| 08:19.34 | mavhc | just stop them being bad |
| 08:19.35 | jmg | anything you tell them specifically not to do, they will actively go and do |
| 08:19.39 | mavhc | then there's no problem |
| 08:19.41 | jmg | to see why they arent allowed to do that |
| 08:19.46 | infernal_jesus | jmg: yeah |
| 08:19.59 | mavhc | find the ones you hate, tell them they can't get hit by a car |
| 08:20.00 | infernal_jesus | they have to realise some things for themselves |
| 08:20.06 | jmg | unless its something obvious, like getting in a car with a stranger |
| 08:20.11 | infernal_jesus | yeah |
| 08:20.18 | infernal_jesus | but most kids are scared of strangers |
| 08:20.23 | mavhc | what if it's a taxi? |
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| 08:21.07 | infernal_jesus | mavhc: they will be old enough to know what a taxi is hwen they get an opportunity to get into one |
| 08:21.14 | infernal_jesus | *when |
| 08:21.15 | DragonD | ok i installed mozilla-firefox how do i get flash to work? |
| 08:21.23 | infernal_jesus | DragonD: is flash installed? |
| 08:21.41 | tenco | DragonD: flashplugin-nonfree e.g. |
| 08:22.25 | DragonD | yeah i installed flashplugin-nonfree |
| 08:22.37 | infernal_jesus | DragonD: it should work |
| 08:22.55 | DragonD | umm |
| 08:23.02 | DragonD | i suddenly started working.. |
| 08:23.07 | DragonD | it* |
| 08:24.53 | jetscreamer | debian magic |
| 08:25.33 | nvz | lies |
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| 08:27.13 | rissy | what a good cli player, for someone without x, gnome etc installed? i've tried cplay, but it's bad sound quailty, is there a codec or something for it to make mp3's sound better, or a better player out there? |
| 08:27.24 | tarzeau | rissy: opencubicplayer |
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| 08:27.33 | rissy | thanks, i'll check it out |
| 08:27.36 | tarzeau | rissy: it has many audio filters and functions that other players just are missing |
| 08:27.50 | rissy | :) |
| 08:28.05 | mahtavamatt | infernal_jesus, I don't want my children looking at porn! |
| 08:28.06 | mahtavamatt | Is there a "net nanny" equivalent for linux? |
| 08:28.12 | tarzeau | rissy: try f4 for surround |
| 08:28.18 | rissy | cool as |
| 08:28.38 | tarzeau | rissy: i often use ocp `find|rl` in a directory with mp3 music files (rl comes with randomize-lines) |
| 08:29.02 | rissy | :) |
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| 08:29.13 | infernal_jesus | mahtavamatt: how old are your children? |
| 08:29.52 | MangosDebian | wow. http://www.foxnews.com/admin/ (Apache/2.2.3 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.2.1 Server at www.foxnews.com Port 80) |
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| 08:30.29 | metbsd | how do i update domainlist db in exim4 |
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| 08:32.19 | infernal_jesus | mahtavamatt: leave your kids alone :D they will learn eventually, and you can't stop them from watching porn forever, so might as well let them do it now. At least they're not doing drugs, right? |
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| 08:33.08 | mahtavamatt | infernal_jesus, My children are none of your concern. If you are able to help, pleae do, otherwise nevermind. |
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| 08:33.25 | petemc | mahtavamatt: i think you can get modules for squid |
| 08:33.50 | mahtavamatt | petemc, Thanks, finally some help |
| 08:34.37 | juancgt | so for my ati card I could use either "ati", "radeon" or "fglrx" / |
| 08:34.41 | juancgt | ?* |
| 08:36.15 | jetscreamer | juancgt: kinda... you have to install fglrx though |
| 08:36.30 | jetscreamer | ati should call up radeon |
| 08:36.35 | nvz | mahtavamatt: those net nanny programs were useless anyhow only works on things that are rated or in a database |
| 08:36.39 | juancgt | jetscreamer, but ati won't give me dri ... |
| 08:36.43 | hxizan | anybody know where to get the guide to create a debian-style library? |
| 08:37.08 | nvz | mahtavamatt: the bottom line is concerned parents should monitor their childrens access to things and talk to them about it |
| 08:37.20 | liable | juancgt: whaat? |
| 08:37.24 | nvz | mahtavamatt: thats your best approach |
| 08:37.28 | liable | jetscreamer: ^^ |
| 08:37.35 | hxizan | I try to make libm17n library package as "debian maintainers' guide" but still not success |
| 08:37.44 | juancgt | liable, with ati driver I can't get direct rendering |
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| 08:37.54 | liable | juancgt: sorry, wrong nick |
| 08:38.14 | juancgt | liable, i see, np |
| 08:38.23 | jetscreamer | if you specify ati in corg.conf, it will use the radeon driver if needed, right? |
| 08:38.29 | jetscreamer | err xorg.conf |
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| 08:39.02 | liable | oh, yeah (i think), but not fglrx |
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| 08:39.36 | nvz | I actually had a router once I think it was a netgear that had a http filter I could use keyword based filters for adult content but you still had sites that would slip through |
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| 08:40.06 | liable | so you set it so it *only* showed adult contennt? ;) |
| 08:40.11 | juancgt | so if i go with "ati" i wont get direct rendering but radeon is also loaded? |
| 08:40.29 | nvz | liable: heh |
| 08:40.58 | nvz | liable: you could put words in like sex or xxx and it would come up blocked on a lot of sites |
| 08:41.22 | nvz | but I've seen sites that use clean names that slip past just about any adult content filter |
| 08:41.32 | mahtavamatt | i'm looking to restrict internet usage!! my children spend too much time on the internet in general! |
| 08:41.34 | jetscreamer | iirc you get dri , but you have to load modules in the kernel... i think |
| 08:41.57 | mahtavamatt | nvz, i'm looking to restrict internet usage!! my children spend too much time on the internet in general! |
| 08:42.00 | nvz | mahtavamatt: heh, well turn it off then |
| 08:42.14 | Crypticfortune | question: so we have a couple ibm blade system x machines, and are trying to gather temperature sensor data. the sensors-detect program gets us nowhere. anyone familiar with using sensors on this hardware? |
| 08:42.46 | juancgt | mahtavamatt, education should be your #1 option |
| 08:42.50 | jetscreamer | mahtavamatt: !content management |
| 08:42.52 | jetscreamer | err |
| 08:42.54 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 08:42.56 | mahtavamatt | WHY IS SO HARD TO FIND KIND HELP!!! |
| 08:42.59 | jetscreamer | !content management |
| 08:43.02 | netdaemon | mahtavamatt, define "too much time" |
| 08:43.13 | jetscreamer | because you're asking for something nobody in here uses much |
| 08:43.25 | jetscreamer | plus it's 4am almost in the us |
| 08:43.32 | nvz | something that doesnt work |
| 08:43.42 | jetscreamer | are you trying on oftc also? |
| 08:43.44 | nvz | its 4:45am here |
| 08:43.47 | mahtavamatt | nvz, what doesn't work |
| 08:43.49 | petemc | mahtavamatt: you're not obligated to listen to everyones "advice" |
| 08:43.51 | jetscreamer | 3.45 here |
| 08:44.09 | nvz | you are going head on at finding software babysitter |
| 08:44.12 | cafuego | 18:44 here |
| 08:44.15 | jetscreamer | now this is going to sound weird |
| 08:44.17 | liable | mahtavamatt: so unplug the router. |
| 08:44.21 | jetscreamer | you should ask in #ubuntu |
| 08:44.23 | nvz | you need to work on the real issue and thats not on topic here |
| 08:44.25 | jetscreamer | seriously |
| 08:44.25 | juancgt | ahhh i dont want fglrx :( .... 4:44 here |
| 08:44.28 | mahtavamatt | petemc, I"M OBLIGATED TO DO SHIT!!!! |
| 08:44.30 | cafuego | mahtavamatt: dansguardian not good? |
| 08:44.31 | netdaemon | the best i know of is dans guardian |
| 08:44.31 | netdaemon | for content management |
| 08:44.31 | petemc | nvz: there are legitimate reasons to use that kind of software |
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| 08:44.48 | cafuego | fine :-P |
| 08:44.55 | liable | !customer |
| 08:44.55 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 08:45.02 | juancgt | lol |
| 08:45.07 | jetscreamer | heh and he finally got a good answer in dansguardian i bet |
| 08:45.07 | petemc | little touchy.. |
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| 08:45.20 | petemc | squid works too |
| 08:45.22 | cafuego | I told him an hour ago how to set up dansguardian as proxy on localhost. |
| 08:45.28 | jetscreamer | O |
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| 08:45.41 | cafuego | He wanted a double-click netnanny thing. |
| 08:45.45 | liable | just smack the little fuckers when they dont do as they are told |
| 08:45.52 | jetscreamer | probably some iceape/firefox plugins also |
| 08:46.07 | cafuego | yup |
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| 08:46.25 | cafuego | Still, having yourself sterilised is better. |
| 08:47.31 | jetscreamer | z |
| 08:47.39 | juancgt | anyone using the ati driver has succesfully configured it to get dri? |
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| 08:47.50 | nvz | petemc: I'm not saying the software use is not legit, I am saying it doesn't work |
| 08:47.52 | jetscreamer | i believe there are kernel modules to load |
| 08:48.01 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 08:48.03 | jetscreamer | !dri |
| 08:48.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dri is Direct Rendering Infrastructure, included in X. see http://dri.sourceforge.net or #dri, or read the outut of LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo if your X log looks ok |
| 08:48.03 | liable | juancgt: it depends entirely on the model of the card |
| 08:48.17 | DawnLight | i've started netinst with modules=ppp-udeb and it did the pppoe thing but "didn't find any access concentrators". perhaps my connection isn't pppoe? |
| 08:48.23 | juancgt | x300, R200 series |
| 08:48.33 | jetscreamer | i have a radeon but i've never run linux on that box... well not lately |
| 08:48.43 | liable | juancgt: that should do dri iirc |
| 08:48.46 | cafuego | juancgt: Those work with the open 'radeon' driver afaik. |
| 08:48.54 | cafuego | juancgt: not the shitty fglrx one. |
| 08:48.56 | nvz | petemc: I've seen it.. and like he said they are online too much. I've policed both kids and porn addicts on networks and you have to watch them no matter what |
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| 08:49.14 | juancgt | cafuego, but how can i set it up... im running ati with no dri :( |
| 08:49.16 | juancgt | logitech |
| 08:49.27 | nvz | petemc: when I used a filter I had to keep watching the logs for things that slipped through and add them |
| 08:49.33 | jetscreamer | i finally quit hacking my kid's box just to make sure they weren't doing bad stuff |
| 08:49.42 | juancgt | woops wrong channel |
| 08:49.48 | jetscreamer | thank god they don't know about encryption |
| 08:50.15 | cafuego | jetscreamer: give 'em a console and `lynx' |
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| 08:50.35 | showgun | is debian sarge the latest of debian distro? |
| 08:50.39 | jetscreamer | no |
| 08:50.46 | jetscreamer | etch is the current stable |
| 08:50.51 | jetscreamer | sarge is now oldstable |
| 08:52.08 | nvz | something is really wrong with the focus model in windows vista its causing all sorts of problems with putty |
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| 08:54.50 | liable | who knows where the avivo driver dev page lives? google isnt being so helpfull |
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| 08:58.02 | DawnLight_ | connection problems... friends, a question, i've started netinst with modules=ppp-udeb and it did the pppoe thing but "didn't find any access concentrators". perhaps my connection isn't pppoe? In windows it is called a WAN Miniport (L2TP) VPN and it has a dialogue windows for dialing with an address, username and passwd |
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| 08:58.37 | streuner | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVIVO |
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| 08:59.11 | liable | streuner: does that even give a link? i browsed quickly and didnt see it |
| 08:59.13 | streuner | !listvals avivo |
| 08:59.14 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'avivo' by value returned no results. |
| 08:59.19 | streuner | sure |
| 08:59.19 | liable | its freedesktop.org anyway |
| 08:59.21 | zmeiat_joro | I installed Debian some time ago, tow months or so I think, and I still haven't been able to boot it |
| 08:59.41 | zmeiat_joro | I've logged in to this channel a few times and people have teid to help me but ti hasn't worked |
| 08:59.52 | moshii | zmeiat_joro: in what way "not boot" |
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| 09:00.02 | subx | zmeiat_joro: list your hardware |
| 09:00.17 | teclo- | Hi, what's again the minimum RAM for Debian 4.0 ? Around 40 MB right ? |
| 09:00.23 | zmeiat_joro | I will outline the problem, but it's a ong story so you'll have to wait a minute |
| 09:01.03 | moshii | teclo-: I think the installer needs 64mb |
| 09:01.11 | liable | streuner: i am talking about a new free driver called avivo for the x1000 series cards |
| 09:01.11 | moshii | teclo-: once you've installed you can use less |
| 09:01.12 | teclo- | moshii: ok... |
| 09:01.14 | subx | how much does vista need? |
| 09:01.25 | moshii | subx: apples and oranges |
| 09:01.28 | teclo- | subx: who the fuck cares about that ? |
| 09:01.31 | subx | heh |
| 09:01.33 | teclo- | subx: go away |
| 09:01.36 | liable | streuner: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=753&num=1 |
| 09:01.40 | teclo- | subx: go to fucking #vista |
| 09:01.46 | subx | i was only jokin |
| 09:01.54 | nvz | subx: like 512mb |
| 09:01.54 | moshii | subx: you can't for example run without a graphical shell in windows.. |
| 09:01.57 | jetscreamer | you can /join ##windows if you really want to ask |
| 09:02.04 | teclo- | Then uhh how much does 3.1 require ? Less than 32 MB I think ? 24 MB ? |
| 09:02.07 | subx | hehehe |
| 09:02.08 | jetscreamer | and yes you can |
| 09:02.16 | jetscreamer | it's just not easy |
| 09:02.41 | subx | vista requires at least 1gig of ram and 15gigs of HD space :-O |
| 09:02.51 | jetscreamer | there's a list on debian.org about the memory needed |
| 09:02.53 | moshii | teclo-: you don't need all that much ram to run debian, but you'll never be able to use apt |
| 09:03.03 | jetscreamer | 16 or 24 i forget |
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| 09:04.20 | moshii | jetscreamer: windows without explorer would be painful |
| 09:04.38 | jetscreamer | unless you know where everything is |
| 09:04.44 | shuveb | hi, can someone tell me ni which package i can find the "ip" command? |
| 09:04.47 | jetscreamer | which reminds me of linux... :) |
| 09:04.54 | MoDaX | shuveb: iproute |
| 09:04.55 | jetscreamer | apt-file |
| 09:04.58 | liable | iproute |
| 09:04.59 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 09:04.59 | dpkg | search is probably try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 09:05.08 | shuveb | MoDaX, thanks |
| 09:05.42 | moshii | jetscreamer: it's not like windows has a decent command line administration suite |
| 09:05.56 | jetscreamer | anybody ever do a dir in the windows recovery console? talk about ls -lA ... |
| 09:06.08 | jetscreamer | powershell thingy |
| 09:06.22 | jetscreamer | i just prefer linux |
| 09:06.27 | liable | i am going to cut off the next persons fingers who mentions windows |
| 09:06.37 | zecrazyt2x | :D |
| 09:06.42 | jetscreamer | no inheritance for me? |
| 09:06.43 | zmeiat_joro | This si the shortest way to tell it: I have Ubuntu, and I installed Debian on anotehr partition, and everything worked fine, until at the end of the isntall it failed to install GRUB. I've heard it detects Ubuntu just fine but it wasn't a problem, I edited Ubuntu's menu.lst and added an entry for the Debian install. But I get a GRUB error 17 when it ry to boot it. "Error 17 : Cannot mount selected partition This error is returned if the partitio |
| 09:06.44 | teclo- | hum when you press F2 in debian-installer it says it needs 32 MB of RAM |
| 09:06.51 | subx | yep i was thinking that, why dont somone code a bot to kick if the 'w' or 'v' word is mentioned |
| 09:06.52 | teclo- | but on this machinewith 32MB RAM |
| 09:06.56 | teclo- | I get out of memory errors |
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| 09:07.26 | moshii | zmeiat_joro: grub is broken then, what fs are you trying to install debian on? |
| 09:07.36 | jetscreamer | i 'think' i've seen on the daily's at least that the specified memory in the docs wan't really it, it needed a tad more |
| 09:08.04 | jetscreamer | or was that cd size... or both |
| 09:08.17 | jetscreamer | check the errrata page |
| 09:08.18 | moshii | subx: why be so anti? just use what you use and get on with it |
| 09:08.34 | zrin | I've built an etch server and last I've added was libnss-ldap, samba and bonding. Now /sbin/init hangs - the box does not boot any more. The last line is "INIT: version 2.86 booting" - it stayed like that whole night. I've already restored a snapshot of the root fs (which was made before ldap/samba/bonding and possibly few other installs) and it booted normally - but what could that have to... |
| 09:08.35 | zmeiat_joro | moshii: ext3 |
| 09:08.36 | zrin | ...do with init?!? I'm getting a bit desperate ... please help |
| 09:08.58 | teclo- | jetscreamer: yes but... it fails to boot on 32 MB of RAM, ouch |
| 09:09.11 | zmeiat_joro | and it looks installed fine, only grub won't boot from it |
| 09:09.14 | subx | moshii: use what you use and go to the relevant channel |
| 09:09.15 | jetscreamer | i know woody was a lot better at the memory req |
| 09:09.27 | liable | thats cause of the kernel |
| 09:09.41 | moshii | subx: I use debian, but I'm not going to go around slagging stuff off like a child either way |
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| 09:10.09 | jetscreamer | i've never really tried ... i have old ram just laying around not being used on the shelf |
| 09:10.27 | jetscreamer | never did the 386 |
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| 09:10.46 | jetscreamer | i remember wishing i had a 386 |
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| 09:10.51 | liable | zmeiat_joro: the last bot if your comment got cut off |
| 09:11.04 | moshii | zmeiat_joro: hmm that should be ok then, xfs is the only fs di can't install grub on.. |
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| 09:11.21 | jetscreamer | the xfs bug is real! |
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| 09:11.26 | zmeiat_joro | "This error is returned if the partition requested exists, but the filesystem type cannot be recognized by GRUB." Which makes no sense as is it ext3 just like Ubuntu and I can mount it in ubuntu and everything looks like it's installed just fine." |
| 09:11.27 | jetscreamer | xfs/grub |
| 09:11.33 | subx | xfs is great when dealing with large size files |
| 09:11.37 | moshii | zmeiat_joro: maybe trying using lilo and moving over to grub later, it could be that di doesn't want to trash your mbr |
| 09:11.43 | moshii | jetscreamer: the di bug? |
| 09:11.51 | jetscreamer | maybe you don't have the ext stage whatever file |
| 09:12.02 | larsl | What happened to the kdesktop package? |
| 09:12.10 | jetscreamer | kde-desktop |
| 09:12.14 | liable | zmeiat_joro: paste your menu.lst and 'cat /proc/prtitions' output |
| 09:12.34 | subx | there is a etch kde image |
| 09:12.41 | jetscreamer | ubuntu's grub is different i think |
| 09:12.52 | moshii | jetscreamer: xfs works fine with grub, you just have to manually install it via grubs shell thing |
| 09:12.52 | liable | zmeiat_joro: oh, and your /boot/grub/device.map file |
| 09:13.09 | jetscreamer | moshii: all i know is it did not work 'out of the box' |
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| 09:13.33 | larsl | jetscreamer: Could not find package 'kde-desktop' |
| 09:13.47 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search kde | grep desk |
| 09:13.50 | subx | apt-cache search kde desktop |
| 09:13.53 | moshii | jetscreamer: yep, the grub-install process goes zombie.. does the same in running debian system |
| 09:14.31 | moshii | jetscreamer: and a lot of the time takes the whole system with it. Which isn't funny because you've just trashed your bootloader with grub-install :/ |
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| 09:15.04 | jetscreamer | actually, iirc i didn't have much luck mixing ubuntu's implementation of grub and debian's .. but debian's version seems to do just fine |
| 09:15.06 | larsl | kdesktop is still there. |
| 09:15.21 | larsl | It just depended on a package from unstable, so it wouldn't install without -t unstable. |
| 09:15.40 | zmeiat_joro | http://pastebin.com/d7ed70290 |
| 09:15.41 | larsl | 'libkdcraw1' |
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| 09:17.51 | teclo- | ouch, now even 3.1 fails to boot. It stops saying "Kernel panic: attempted to kill init!" |
| 09:18.16 | moshii | teclo-: check that there aren't any other messages about failing to mount root |
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| 09:20.08 | jetscreamer | how many ide controllers |
| 09:20.18 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 09:21.07 | Shadur | Augh, lousy time for glib to break half the system. |
| 09:21.33 | liable | zmeiat_joro: yup, looks good. fdisk -l /dev/hda output .. thats obviouslt a quite old ubuntu install? is it up to date? have you checked for grub bugs? |
| 09:22.36 | zmeiat_joro | I odn't know, I think it's about an year old, haven't checked for grub bugs... |
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| 09:22.55 | liable | zmeiat_joro: have you kept it up to date? |
| 09:23.02 | zmeiat_joro | sure |
| 09:23.14 | liable | doing dist-upgrades? |
| 09:24.31 | zmeiat_joro | no, I reainstalled clean from 6.06 to 6.10, now that I think of it |
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| 09:25.06 | zmeiat_joro | and I still haven't upgraded to fiesty |
| 09:26.18 | zmeiat_joro | So it could be a bug in grub? |
| 09:26.20 | liable | personally I would chroot into the deb install and install grub from there, but I dont feel like explaining that right now |
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| 09:27.12 | zmeiat_joro | I have some idea how to do that |
| 09:27.23 | zmeiat_joro | I'll try |
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| 09:28.35 | liable | zmeiat_joro: if it fails using the ubuntu partition as the root, try using the debian partition as grub root, but then you will have to add your ubuntu kernels to the debian grub file |
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| 09:29.22 | liable | if you get what I mean? |
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| 09:29.40 | zmeiat_joro | yeah |
| 09:30.06 | gamayun | Hi guys. How long it takes to resize 100 gig ntfs partition with qtparted? it takes for ages. is it something wrong? |
| 09:30.19 | liable | grub command syntax > root (hd0,0) setup (hd0) instead of root (hd0,3) |
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| 09:31.28 | liable | how long is ages? |
| 09:31.33 | petemc | eons |
| 09:31.39 | gamayun | 5-6 hours |
| 09:31.43 | GreaseMonkey | night all |
| 09:31.46 | liable | very wrong |
| 09:31.55 | themill | what's the Debian way: useradd or adduser? |
| 09:32.03 | gamayun | or dear |
| 09:32.08 | netdaemon | adduser |
| 09:32.18 | themill | netdaemon: thanks! |
| 09:33.10 | themill | netdaemon: only have to do it once or twice a year.... off to the man page again! |
| 09:34.21 | netdaemon | themill, no prob |
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| 09:34.39 | gamayun | liable: 1 - i defrag ntfs, 2 boot with rescue CD, 3 starts qtparted, 4 resize on 80G and 20G, after this it started moving stuff from left to right for hours |
| 09:35.24 | liable | gamayun: i havent done it for years, but it never took more than 10 minutes or so |
| 09:35.53 | gamayun | liable: i did it 1 year ago. it was fast |
| 09:36.18 | gamayun | now just too painful |
| 09:36.29 | liable | it should be better |
| 09:36.45 | metbsd | dam it, exim4 is not easy to config |
| 09:36.54 | petemc | ... |
| 09:36.59 | liable | exim4 configs are insane |
| 09:37.04 | petemc | not really |
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| 09:37.23 | petemc | its very flexible, and therefore can seem complicated, but the idea behind it are simple |
| 09:37.37 | metbsd | temporarily rejected after DATA |
| 09:37.41 | metbsd | i keep getting this |
| 09:37.48 | petemc | acls decide if the mail should be processed, routers do the processing, transports do the delivery |
| 09:37.52 | metbsd | i've update db |
| 09:38.21 | zmeiat_joro | liable: btw, any idea why it couldn't install GRUB from the Debian install CD? |
| 09:39.08 | liable | zmeiat_joro: you tried to install grub to mbr or the partition? |
| 09:39.19 | liable | either way, no, i don't know :) |
| 09:39.33 | metbsd | so exim4 is easy for you, petemc |
| 09:39.36 | zmeiat_joro | I don't know it would even ask me before reporting failure |
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| 09:40.01 | liable | zmeiat_joro: you dont have mbr protection in bios? |
| 09:40.11 | liable | metbsd: postfix ftw |
| 09:40.12 | petemc | metbsd: it wasnt at the start, i spent a long time with the docs, bought the book |
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| 09:40.58 | gamayun | liable: ok i did it for friend of mine. it took 7 hours. he rang me just now, said its over. looks good windoze booted and there is additinal 20 G drive. but i'm puzzled anyway. |
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| 09:41.23 | zmeiat_joro | liable: No idea |
| 09:41.28 | petemc | liable: can you give any reasons why you think postfix is better, other than you not understanding exim? |
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| 09:41.56 | zmeiat_joro | tehre weren't any problems when I installed Ubuntu IIRC |
| 09:42.13 | semprix | me too id go for postfix |
| 09:42.24 | petemc | why? |
| 09:42.32 | liable | petemc: the configuration is the *only* reason i dont like |
| 09:42.33 | metbsd | petemc, well i have this line for virtual_aliases: data = ${lookup mysql{select destination from aliases where local_part="${lc:$local_part}" and domain_name="${lc:$domain}" and status = 1}{ $value}} |
| 09:42.56 | semprix | easy configuration than other mail transfer agents |
| 09:43.07 | liable | gamayun: yikes, 7 hours? |
| 09:43.15 | zmeiat_joro | bbl |
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| 09:43.49 | gamayun | 7 h! |
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| 09:44.06 | metbsd | i admire the previous exim4 administrator |
| 09:44.10 | semprix | petemc, http://lists.trustix.org/pipermail/tsl-discuss/2002-August/003816.html |
| 09:44.12 | metbsd | but he quit and im after his shit |
| 09:44.43 | gamayun | will have a look tonight. but the main thing he boot into XP. |
| 09:45.00 | metbsd | in exim conf file: CHECK_RCPT_REMOTE_LOCALPARTS = ^[./|] : ^.*[@%!\'`#&?] : ^.*/\\.\\./ |
| 09:45.03 | petemc | semprix: thats 5 years old |
| 09:45.17 | metbsd | is that some kind of joke |
| 09:45.28 | semprix | lol didnt see that |
| 09:46.28 | liable | petemc: can you give me a reason why i should prefer exim4 to postfix? |
| 09:46.29 | metbsd | CHECK_RCPT_REMOTE_LOCALPARTS = ^[./|] : ^.*[@%!\'`#&?] : ^.*/\\.\\./ exim4 is so simple |
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| 09:47.09 | liable | other than it being default for deban |
| 09:47.14 | liable | debian* |
| 09:47.14 | fir3__ | hi |
| 09:47.32 | petemc | liable: no other mta has such an acl system like exims |
| 09:47.36 | fir3__ | will debian run fine on a 350mhz p2 computer with full system encryption? |
| 09:48.04 | liable | which in a recent mail for asking for devs for the lists, I noted that the lists use postfix, which I found interesting |
| 09:48.12 | petemc | liable: you can do checks at every step of the smtp transaction |
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| 09:48.54 | rissy | hey, i'm trying to play music on debian, but no sound is coming out, how can i fix this? |
| 09:49.09 | petemc | liable: and, as i said, the config doesnt have to be complicated, the premise is simple |
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| 09:49.47 | SlayerXP | exim makes the regular things easy and the hard things possible. |
| 09:50.07 | liable | petemc: fair enough. |
| 09:50.18 | metbsd | exim makes me serious headache |
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| 09:51.01 | petemc | metbsd: all this time you've spent getting annoyed and talking shit about exim, you could/should have been reading the very detailed docs |
| 09:51.31 | _lyte_ | hi |
| 09:51.53 | metbsd | i'm reading the spec documentation |
| 09:52.06 | liable | metbsd: or installing postfix :) |
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| 09:54.21 | metbsd | after reading it, i'm stuck at this line here: data = ${lookup mysql{select destination from aliases where local_part="${lc:$local_part}" and domain_name="${lc:$domain}" and status = 1}{ $value}} |
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| 09:55.47 | metbsd | the $local_part happen to be this: ^[.] : ^.*[@%!/|\'`#&?] |
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| 09:56.03 | metbsd | i think exim4 is laughing at me |
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| 09:56.07 | liable | its very intuitive |
| 09:57.57 | Crypticfortune | i find postfix and qmail much more intuitive...still haven't figured out exim =( |
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| 09:58.32 | metbsd | i think exim can be easy too, just the previous administrator is an ass |
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| 10:00.08 | liable | metbsd: thats funny, 10 minutes ago you said you admire him :P |
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| 10:08.06 | larstr | is there a repo somewhere with 2.6 unicpu 100Hz kernels? |
| 10:08.51 | tarzeau | larstr: for server? |
| 10:08.57 | tarzeau | larstr: or you mean 1000Hz kernels? |
| 10:08.58 | abchirk | Hi how I can instaöö packages which have been kept back from aptitude? |
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| 10:09.07 | larstr | I mean instead of the 1000Hz kernel |
| 10:09.12 | liable | abchirk: dist-upgrade |
| 10:09.22 | abchirk | But I have already lenny? |
| 10:09.26 | tarzeau | liable: you can also say install that individual packages |
| 10:09.30 | blackest | is there a command to identify users and group memberships I have a program that needs write access to some directorys but i dont know who it ruuns as and what group it belongs to |
| 10:09.37 | liable | abchirk: if you have done that, then you wait for the depends to be fixed |
| 10:09.42 | tarzeau | blackest: strace the program? |
| 10:09.57 | liable | abchirk: um, you need to learn what dist-upgrade does |
| 10:09.58 | larstr | tarzeau: 2.4 was using 100Hz, but 2.6 is not doing that by default |
| 10:10.18 | Crypticfortune | abchirk: it's called "aptitude full-upgrade" now (probably to make that distinction (not necessarily a new distribution, but full ugprade)) |
| 10:10.24 | abchirk | hm k thx..running dist-upgrade now |
| 10:10.26 | liable | tarzeau: in his case, i didnt think that was what he wanted to hear |
| 10:10.35 | subx | what service can i restart after changing /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 10:10.48 | abchirk | ok now full-upgrade :D |
| 10:10.48 | liable | subx: no need to restart anything |
| 10:10.53 | subx | ok |
| 10:11.13 | liable | Crypticfortune: huh? |
| 10:11.14 | blackest | isnt that overkilll |
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| 10:11.52 | liable | holy shit, its true |
| 10:12.11 | enouf | factoid? |
| 10:12.36 | liable | man aptitude |
| 10:12.59 | enouf | no , i mean make one |
| 10:13.27 | liable | enouf: you have my blessing ;) |
| 10:13.38 | enouf | liable: figures :-P |
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| 10:14.04 | enouf | liable: i don't use aptitude, so don't feel i know it well enough |
| 10:14.17 | liable | enouf: i am even too lazy to check the changelog for when this happened! dont think you'll get a factoid out of me! :P |
| 10:15.02 | liable | the dictionary, that is |
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| 10:15.43 | enouf | larstr: my 2.6.16-2-686 has CONFIG_HZ_250=y |
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| 10:16.14 | enouf | and CONFIG_HZ=250 |
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| 10:17.34 | liable | enouf: i am pretty sure that one had a root exploit |
| 10:17.47 | enouf | liable: nah, i'm too good :-P |
| 10:18.06 | enouf | you must be thinking nvidia :-P |
| 10:18.26 | liable | no, its a kernel vanilla kernel exploit |
| 10:18.36 | liable | kernel |
| 10:18.37 | nanonyme | is that a vanilla kernel? |
| 10:18.39 | liable | kernel |
| 10:19.03 | liable | no its a debian one which is still affected |
| 10:19.10 | liable | kernel |
| 10:19.34 | nanonyme | if it's not, it might be patched anyway |
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| 10:19.45 | metbsd | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30885/ |
| 10:19.53 | metbsd | this kind of problem comes back to me |
| 10:19.55 | liable | Crypticfortune: when did this aptitude thing happen? |
| 10:20.07 | liable | nanonyme: nope |
| 10:20.38 | nanonyme | he |
| 10:20.41 | nanonyme | heh even |
| 10:20.58 | nanonyme | well, then one should either use the patched sources off gentoo or use a newer kernel :P |
| 10:21.29 | larstr | enouf: where's the best place to look for this setting? |
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| 10:22.02 | enouf | larstr: grep HZ /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 10:22.04 | liable | nanonyme: debian patched it, he may even have it, the vanilla was .12->.16-22 iirc, maybe the debian -2 is >.22 but it was quite a while ago now |
| 10:22.10 | enouf | larstr: for the running kernel |
| 10:22.33 | enouf | larstr: or if you built it, zgrep HZ /proc/config.gz maybe |
| 10:23.17 | larstr | enouf: ah. thanks.. it's set to 250 here as well. |
| 10:24.05 | liable | enouf: did you get abducted by aliens for a while, or just get a <non-geek> life? |
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| 10:24.24 | enouf | liable: elsewhere .. i'm a wanderer .. ;-) |
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| 10:24.50 | liable | hobo? |
| 10:24.56 | enouf | heh |
| 10:25.11 | rissy | i just `cat /proc/asound/oss/sndstat`, and it says my audio device isn't enabled. how do i enable it? |
| 10:25.12 | enouf | more like gigolo ;-p |
| 10:25.29 | liable | slut! |
| 10:25.35 | liable | good for you! |
| 10:25.39 | enouf | rissy: alsamizer? |
| 10:25.47 | enouf | rissy: er alsamixer? |
| 10:26.01 | rissy | alsamixer has the volume up max :S |
| 10:26.14 | enouf | man alsamixer and alsactl i guess |
| 10:26.16 | rissy | i dno't see any indication that it's disabled in there |
| 10:26.17 | liable | that would depend on snd-pcm-oss being loaded me thinks |
| 10:26.20 | rissy | k |
| 10:26.28 | rissy | liable? |
| 10:26.30 | enouf | rissy: maybe artsd or esd stole it |
| 10:26.36 | enouf | or using OSS |
| 10:26.42 | liable | you are looking in an oss file |
| 10:26.43 | rissy | okay |
| 10:26.50 | rissy | liable, yeah |
| 10:26.52 | enouf | yeah .. snd_mixer_oss pulls it in |
| 10:27.08 | enouf | man, i'm blind |
| 10:27.32 | larstr | enouf: using dselect, I installed kernel-image-2.6.686, but when doing uname now I still see that SMP is enabled |
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| 10:27.51 | liable | all new kernels are smp enabled |
| 10:27.52 | enouf | larstr: no, it's an SMP capable kernel only, IINM |
| 10:28.03 | enouf | !dbse |
| 10:28.04 | dpkg | methinks dbse is well; 'dbse' is Differences Between Sarge and Etch: what's New In Etch? see http://wiki.debian.org/NewInEtch. Etch is now Stable! (4.0r0) ; ask me about <Today> for more (be sure to check out the "errata" too). Etch errata/docs/images here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ ..also see http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for some other major diffs betwen Sarge and Etch |
| 10:28.16 | enouf | se that last url larstr |
| 10:28.41 | liable | !iinm |
| 10:28.41 | dpkg | somebody said iinm was If I'm Not Mistaken |
| 10:28.52 | larstr | enouf: thank.. I'll read up on it :) |
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| 10:29.42 | enouf | IOW, during installation, it's services, if needed only, will be used ;-) |
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| 10:30.28 | liable | metbsd: where are you getting your clams? |
| 10:30.40 | metbsd | aptitude |
| 10:30.43 | metbsd | i fixed that problem |
| 10:30.44 | larstr | enouf: not being able to choose UP kernels isn't always too good though (I see there are only SMP kernels now). SMP makes the interrupt rate of 250 increase to 750 |
| 10:30.54 | metbsd | now i just need to figure out how to start clamav |
| 10:31.00 | metbsd | because my exim will be using it |
| 10:31.15 | liable | metbsd: aptitude is the answer, the repo was what i wanted to know |
| 10:31.22 | enouf | larstr: build your own? use make-kpkg, /msg dpkg make-kpkg |
| 10:31.24 | liable | *not* |
| 10:31.50 | metbsd | repo is from uk or something |
| 10:31.57 | metbsd | why |
| 10:32.23 | metbsd | deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian stable main non-free contrib |
| 10:32.43 | larstr | enouf: possibly.. I'm trying to get as good performance of debian in a virtual environment as possible. |
| 10:32.58 | enouf | hrm, does contrib need to come before non-free?, i doubt it, but i don;t revcall |
| 10:33.36 | enouf | larstr: using a xen or vserver or using qemu, or vmware, or.. |
| 10:33.52 | larstr | enouf: ESX |
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| 10:33.59 | larstr | (vmware) |
| 10:34.01 | enouf | larstr: wait, what's the host OS? |
| 10:34.08 | liable | i doubt it would have to, but thats an interesting question |
| 10:34.20 | larstr | enouf: no, ESX is the host os too. |
| 10:34.30 | larstr | sort of.. |
| 10:34.32 | metbsd | liable, what do you think of my repo |
| 10:34.34 | enouf | oh .. heh, whatever that is |
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| 10:35.32 | liable | metbsd: its fine, that was what i wanted to see, i wasnt sure if you had some random repo in there |
| 10:36.07 | liable | metbsd: btw, check out debian-volatile, its for stuff like clamav, though they seem to be doing a shit job of it lately |
| 10:36.36 | enouf | !volatile |
| 10:36.36 | dpkg | i guess volatile is debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.net/ |
| 10:37.10 | enouf | larstr: how's your fascia hanging? O.o |
| 10:37.15 | enouf | er liable |
| 10:37.19 | metbsd | no i want to keep my system as stable as possible |
| 10:37.21 | liable | any order works for main contrib et al |
| 10:37.36 | enouf | liable: i thought so, since they're not subdirs |
| 10:38.24 | liable | enouf: it worked out good in the end, I am thinking of ripping the pergola down now though, which is typical of me |
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| 10:38.53 | metbsd | dam it i don't even know how to start clamav daemon |
| 10:38.57 | enouf | liable: heh .. you go girl </me snaps fingers> |
| 10:39.01 | metbsd | there's no startup script in init.d now |
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| 10:39.05 | liable | i spent $400 buck on wood, built 75% of it, now I am thinking doing something else |
| 10:39.28 | enouf | liable: the new pergola? or .. |
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| 10:40.39 | liable | enouf: ya, see, the existing one has pillars of bricks that are part of a shitty wall that i would like to replace, and the pavers ares seriously fucked up by tree roots |
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| 10:41.21 | enouf | liable: start digging ;-) |
| 10:41.27 | liable | so, like anything, you think you'lll just do a quick replacement job, and it turns into the great fucking wall of china job |
| 10:41.28 | larstr | enouf: seems an idle debian with default 250Hz SMP kernel is creating a load (0 inside debian) to the host of 3%, compared to 0.6% on a 2.4 UP 100Hz kernel. |
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| 10:41.54 | enouf | larstr: ofcourse .. over time, you come to expect it |
| 10:42.06 | enouf | rather than be surprised |
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| 10:43.12 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:43.19 | larstr | enouf: well.. 3% isn't that bad overhead compared to 1000Hz SMP kernels that have easily 15% overhead |
| 10:43.48 | larstr | enouf: I was talking about idle systems |
| 10:43.56 | enouf | larstr: so .. you want to go tickless now? |
| 10:44.07 | larstr | enouf: that's too early |
| 10:44.29 | larstr | enouf: but in time, that'll probably be something to look for |
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| 10:45.53 | enouf | yeah, well, i haven't been keeping up as you can tell with my older kernel usage, but IINM, there's a new Scheduler for .21/.22 ? http://kerneltrap.org/node/8059 fwiw |
| 10:46.15 | larstr | yes, the "fair" one |
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| 10:46.37 | enouf | more background http://lwn.net/Articles/223185/ |
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| 10:47.29 | larstr | yes, I think I read all those.. But I think it's a bit too early to adapt these kernels this early. |
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| 10:48.30 | enouf | then there's kernelnewbies.org too |
| 10:48.56 | rissy | thanks very much liable, my problem was i wasn't loading the snd-pcm-oss module |
| 10:49.00 | rissy | i learnt something new :D |
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| 10:50.23 | larstr | also, for a comparison.. I've got a 100Hz UP 2.6 kernel in centos and it's showing 1.5% load (0 inside the guest). I'll probably see similar results if I recompile on debian too. |
| 10:52.11 | liable | rissy: np |
| 10:52.16 | enouf | larstr: FWIW, i think you can drop the UP/SMP distinction (atleast as far as debian is concerned) Note; "that will detect at run time the presence of a SMP system and enable or disable the SMP code" |
| 10:52.41 | enouf | larstr: grep your configs for SMP as well |
| 10:53.50 | larstr | really? |
| 10:54.07 | enouf | larstr: that's what i was trying to tell you earlier |
| 10:54.37 | enouf | larstr: AFAICT it was mainly done to get rid of SOOOO many diff kernel pkgs .. why not, heh |
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| 10:54.54 | larstr | enouf: ah... it says "CONFIG_SUSPEND_SMP=y" (among others) |
| 10:54.59 | enouf | (i'm guessing mostly) |
| 10:55.11 | larstr | yes, there were starting to get alot of kernels |
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| 10:55.46 | enouf | here's what i got larstr http://pastebin.ca/630632 |
| 10:56.17 | enouf | larstr: especially with the -686-EM64T and whatnot |
| 10:57.19 | enouf | i bet much of that is configured during the installation .. i know the initrd is made then |
| 10:58.06 | metbsd | does aptitude purge remove pkg and its depencies? |
| 10:58.07 | enouf | that's why you can compile on one machine and install on a completely different one (hardware-wise) |
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| 10:58.36 | larstr | enouf: here's mine -> http://pastebin.ca/630633 |
| 10:59.30 | enouf | larstr: well .. you're in a VM for install .. which CPU? |
| 10:59.54 | larstr | enouf: Intel(R) XEON(TM) MP CPU 1.90GHz |
| 11:00.08 | enouf | larstr: betteer yet; do grep flags /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 11:00.26 | larstr | enouf: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss up |
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| 11:01.29 | enouf | larstr: is that all of them? weird .. that doesn't appear to be 64bit, nor a HT CPU, but it does have hardware VM --> vme .. |
| 11:01.41 | larstr | it's not 64 bit |
| 11:01.49 | larstr | it is HT |
| 11:01.50 | moshii | enouf: vme is hardware vm? |
| 11:02.04 | larstr | I think HT might have been masked out |
| 11:02.04 | enouf | larstr: ok then .. but HT? i'm not certain about that |
| 11:02.10 | enouf | moshii: yep, IIRC |
| 11:02.17 | enouf | moshii: for Intels that is |
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| 11:02.31 | enouf | moshii: AMD uses a similar flag, but diff |
| 11:02.54 | moshii | enouf: mm I don't think vme is hardware vm |
| 11:03.04 | enouf | moshii: en.wikipedia.org may list them, tell you more |
| 11:03.20 | enouf | moshii: i might be mistaken .. now i'll have to look ;-) |
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| 11:04.35 | larstr | thanks for your valuable input, enouf! I gotta run and see the dentist now.... |
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| 11:08.17 | Skyrail | The nautilus windows on debian have very little on them and I was wondering if there was any way I could add more to them, for example icons at the top with up a level, back, forward and such like those included in the nautilus on ubuntu. Another thing is how can I stop it from opening a new window everytime I open a folder? |
| 11:09.07 | ghatak | Hi, i am trying to get rsync setup between two servers, on the serving side, i have create /etc/rsyncd.conf and did /etc/init.d/rsync start. this does not start rsync, there is nothing in logs and no errors as well. Cant figure out what is this happening. Help please |
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| 11:10.27 | jetscreamer | 2.6.22++!!! |
| 11:10.39 | enouf | larstr: heh .. xeon "MP" in the name ;-), i suppose if HT capable, you'll have 2x cores listed in /proc/cpuinfo and dmesg (CPU0, CPU1 , or if a dual core with HT, CPU2 and CPU3 as well) |
| 11:11.04 | enouf | jetscreamer: with nvidia? |
| 11:11.08 | liable | ghatak: did you check /etc/default/rsync |
| 11:11.21 | jetscreamer | enouf: yes |
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| 11:11.29 | jetscreamer | enouf: seems faster somehow, also |
| 11:11.36 | enouf | jetscreamer: sweet, i knew that was a factor |
| 11:12.06 | enouf | (i recall the time you had ~ .21 ish?) |
| 11:12.15 | jetscreamer | yeah |
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| 11:12.42 | jetscreamer | and .20... |
| 11:13.03 | ghatak | liable: argh... it was disabled there, |
| 11:13.09 | ghatak | liable: thanks, started now |
| 11:13.40 | Skyrail | I don't know if it's a KDE or a Kubuntu add on but is there any way to get the clipboard with multiple copied items onto it for Gnome on Debian? |
| 11:13.42 | liable | ghatak: the rsync protocol isntt considered safe btw, local is ok though |
| 11:14.53 | ghatak | ghatak: agreed, however i need to set this up to do mirror of debian repositories between two boxes across sites. I wonder if there is a better alternative ? |
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| 11:15.58 | enouf | larstr: i[m guessing you have a SL6KC or SL6H2 http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/printpage/277/5 |
| 11:16.11 | ghatak | liable: agreed, however i need to set this up to do mirror of debian repositories between two boxes across sites. I wonder if there is a better alternative ? |
| 11:16.52 | RoyK | hi. trying etch netinstall, installation can't find my usb cdrom/dvd. where can i find this miniature installer that does everything over the net without mounting the cdrom? is this the business card thing? |
| 11:16.53 | liable | ghatak: across the net? |
| 11:17.04 | liable | ghatak: use rsync over ssh |
| 11:18.06 | metbsd | how do i remove a package and all its depencies |
| 11:19.17 | enouf | moshii: whoops, it;'s the VMX flag i guess -- This can be determined by checking if the VMX flag is enabled by the Feature Control MSR. |
| 11:19.30 | DawnLight | friends, a question. i've started debian installer with modules=ppp-udeb and it did the pppoe thing but "didn't find any access concentrators". perhaps my connection isn't pppoe? In windows it is called a WAN Miniport (L2TP) VPN and it has a dialogue windows for dialing with an address, username and passwd. its a cable modem connected through an ethernet cable to my box. the the hardware seems fine because it does DHCP correctly. |
| 11:20.13 | metbsd | anyone know? |
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| 11:21.09 | DawnLight | metbsd: use aptitude |
| 11:21.16 | sussudio | %l2tp |
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| 11:21.26 | sussudio | !info l2tpd |
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| 11:21.40 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 11:21.43 | metbsd | aptitude purge will remove a package and all its depencies? |
| 11:21.50 | Skyrail | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.00 | dpkg | l2tpd: (a layer 2 tunneling protocol implementation), section net, is optional. Version: 0.70-pre20031121-2.2 (sid), Packaged size: 90 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
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| 11:22.03 | enouf | moshii: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_virtualization#Intel_VT_.28IVT.29 also for AMD64, atleast all "F" stepping have it; "AMD-V is present in all K8 AMD (Athlon 64) processors from stepping "F" and all newer processors support AMD-V technology. This applies for all current Socket AM2 and Socket F processors." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD-V |
| 11:22.13 | sussudio | DawnLight: apt-get install l2tpd |
| 11:22.36 | DawnLight | sussudio: in netinst? |
| 11:22.53 | sussudio | what? |
| 11:23.35 | enouf | metbsd: pretty aure it will .. install aptitude-doc-en |
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| 11:23.46 | sussudio | DawnLight: you could just punch your ISP in the face for still using that shit instead of DHCP |
| 11:23.48 | DawnLight | metbsd: use aptitude's interface, not from the command line. it's very easy. it tells shows you the dependencies of a package when you press ENTER on it. |
| 11:23.53 | enouf | er s/aure/sure |
| 11:24.04 | metbsd | no, aptitude tries to remove openwebmail |
| 11:24.09 | enouf | metbsd: also see /usr/share/doc/aptitude |
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| 11:24.47 | enouf | metbsd: you're not making sense .. have you mixed repos? as in some stable, some testing, etc? |
| 11:25.10 | metbsd | no |
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| 11:25.12 | DawnLight | sussudio: can i apt-get install l2tpd during debian-installer from netinst? |
| 11:25.17 | jetscreamer | DawnLight: iirc there was something about having to shell out to a console in the installer and configure pppoe but i forget... there was a doc on debian.org i think |
| 11:25.25 | metbsd | but openwebmail is removed from repo, so i added a .deb for openwebmail |
| 11:25.45 | sussudio | DawnLight: i haven't installed debian for at least 7 years or so. |
| 11:26.10 | enouf | metbsd: /msg dpkg grounding, /msg dpkg aptitude |
| 11:26.18 | jetscreamer | !pppoe install |
| 11:26.18 | dpkg | [pppoe install] see http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianInstallerFAQ question 26 |
| 11:26.24 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 11:26.30 | enouf | heh |
| 11:26.41 | metbsd | dpkg, grounding |
| 11:26.41 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 11:26.54 | metbsd | pff thanks alot man |
| 11:26.59 | pressenter | Anyone maybe has a repo with flock? |
| 11:27.00 | DawnLight | etch now can configure pppoe using the boot parameter modules=ppp-udeb but it says it can't find access concentrators so its probebly not what i'm looking for |
| 11:27.14 | jetscreamer | !tell metbsd -about aptitude |
| 11:27.19 | enouf | !be enouf barbie |
| 11:27.20 | dpkg | enouf is hard! |
| 11:27.29 | liable | oh dear |
| 11:27.30 | enouf | \o/ |
| 11:27.36 | jetscreamer | !sex enouf |
| 11:27.36 | dpkg | enouf is about 95% male |
| 11:27.46 | liable | heh |
| 11:27.47 | jetscreamer | they disabled the fuck factoid |
| 11:27.52 | jetscreamer | darn |
| 11:28.00 | jetscreamer | !love enouf |
| 11:28.03 | liable | %fuck enouf |
| 11:28.18 | liable | sussudio: wheres piggy |
| 11:28.25 | enouf | ok ok .. easy fellas .. botabuse ... |
| 11:28.26 | jetscreamer | ~fuck enouf |
| 11:28.27 | liable | erm, the other one |
| 11:28.34 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 11:28.40 | enouf | don;t make me %fist you |
| 11:28.45 | liable | heh |
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| 11:29.15 | jetscreamer | %literal fist |
| 11:29.45 | DawnLight | oof. i'm gonna have to buy a router |
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| 11:30.13 | Skyrail | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.26 | jetscreamer | the new folder thingy is controlled in pref's |
| 11:31.30 | FUBAR | folder setting |
| 11:31.32 | FUBAR | s |
| 11:31.36 | liable | badgers: you lazy fuck |
| 11:31.37 | badgers | i don't know, liable |
| 11:31.56 | liable | badgers: answer our damn cmds! |
| 11:31.56 | badgers | liable: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 11:32.00 | Skyrail | Maybe I over looked it then :/ |
| 11:32.09 | liable | badgers: fist badgers |
| 11:32.22 | jetscreamer | %botsnack |
| 11:32.23 | badgers | jetscreamer: :) |
| 11:33.14 | RoyK | hi |
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| 11:36.26 | RoyK | trying to install debian on this box with a 3wre 9650SE-2P, Debian Etch doesn't seem to have a driver for the controller. What can i do about this? |
| 11:37.09 | moshii | enouf: VME is the 8086 virtual machine |
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| 11:38.06 | enouf | moshii: doh .. my pII even has that :-P |
| 11:38.24 | enouf | moshii: you have to admit, only off by one letter ;-) |
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| 11:39.42 | enouf | RoyK: doesn't 3ware provide one? |
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| 11:41.50 | liable | unless its a new chip 3wares are well supported |
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| 11:44.21 | moshii | enouf:yet another dos hangover |
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| 11:45.23 | enouf | moshii: ugh, these cryptic b0z0 hardware manu ought to be shot sometimes |
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| 11:48.23 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone know how to define an alternative preserve directory for vi/vim? |
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| 11:50.42 | metbsd | in exim4, how do i add more domains to virtual domains db |
| 11:51.26 | RoyK | enouf: the source is on the cd |
| 11:51.42 | enouf | RoyK: good thing? |
| 11:51.45 | RoyK | so I guess i'll need to make an new boot cd..... |
| 11:51.54 | enouf | and there ya go |
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| 11:53.25 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: asked #vim ? |
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| 11:53.31 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: hey |
| 11:53.34 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: yep. I think I will |
| 11:53.35 | Led_Zeppelin | thanks |
| 11:55.16 | zrin | it seems that using libpam-ldap in etch can make /sbin/init hang |
| 11:55.19 | Internat | is there a way to do string tokenization in bash.. well if i have a string that looks like aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd.eee and i want to remove ddd.eee and then iterator right, so that i get back ccc, then bbb, then aaa how would i do that? |
| 11:55.47 | petemc | why not use awk? |
| 11:55.53 | Internat | i dont know how |
| 11:56.00 | petemc | now might be a good time to learn |
| 11:56.06 | Internat | indeed |
| 11:56.17 | zrin | Internat: substitution ${...%%...} ${...##...} |
| 11:56.49 | Internat | eerr ? |
| 11:57.04 | zrin | Internat: man bash |
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| 11:58.56 | moshii | mm what has to be done to enable the nx bit in debian? |
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| 11:59.31 | petemc | nx as in the remote desktop thing? |
| 11:59.49 | moshii | petemc: nx as in no execute |
| 12:00.17 | petemc | oh, mount noexec? ? |
| 12:00.46 | moshii | nah, there is a feature on newer cpu's to mark non-executable pages |
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| 12:01.55 | moshii | so for example you can't execute the stack, which hinders naughty people |
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| 12:03.26 | abrotman | moshii: nothing AFAIK |
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| 12:03.40 | moshii | abrotman: it just works out the box? that's good to know :) |
| 12:03.54 | abrotman | moshii: might be a better quesiton for ##kernel |
| 12:04.30 | Internat | zrin: hmms ok, that works for stripping how about actually getting the token? |
| 12:04.48 | xk | is there a stock debian kernel suitable for pentium-mmx (not pro)? |
| 12:04.55 | zrin | Internat: strip the other end |
| 12:05.07 | zrin | Internat: use longest match |
| 12:05.07 | moshii | xk: use the i386 one |
| 12:05.09 | jetscreamer | -486 or -686 |
| 12:05.19 | moshii | xk: pentium-mmx is i586 |
| 12:05.27 | xk | jetscreamer: 486 causes random kernel OOPS upon boot. |
| 12:05.32 | Internat | hmms.. not really want i want.. im basicly looking for backwards string tokenization.. |
| 12:05.45 | xk | there is no 586 kernel as far as I know. |
| 12:05.53 | jetscreamer | use the -686 then for intel |
| 12:05.57 | nanonyme | might compile one if you really want it |
| 12:05.58 | xk | 686 is only for pentium pro onwards. |
| 12:06.01 | jetscreamer | but i don't think it will fix it |
| 12:06.06 | moshii | jetscreamer: mmx is 586 |
| 12:06.10 | nanonyme | yeah, 686 is a definite no-no |
| 12:06.14 | abrotman | jetscreamer: no .. not -686 |
| 12:06.18 | nanonyme | it might cause serious problems |
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| 12:06.21 | abrotman | xk: use the -486 |
| 12:06.35 | xk | abrotman: As I said - it causes random OOPS on boot. |
| 12:06.44 | nanonyme | use 386 then? |
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| 12:06.48 | xk | probably it tries to load too many kernel modules :) |
| 12:06.49 | zrin | Internat: you can do it with # ## % and %% |
| 12:06.51 | abrotman | xk: 2*2=5 on your cpu eh? :) |
| 12:06.52 | zmeiat_joro | GRUB finally installed fine |
| 12:07.01 | nanonyme | xk: or compile a 586 kernel |
| 12:07.04 | xk | abrotman: my custom kernel works fine. |
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| 12:07.17 | tarzeau | sussudio: got an update for http://www.linuks.mine.nu/sussudio/ ? |
| 12:07.18 | xk | i just had enough of doing custom kernel compiles. |
| 12:07.22 | nanonyme | heh |
| 12:07.31 | jetscreamer | might need some boot options then |
| 12:07.37 | abrotman | xk: is this sarge or etch ? |
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| 12:07.46 | xk | abrotman: etch. |
| 12:07.57 | jetscreamer | what do you disable in the kernel that makes it work |
| 12:07.59 | nanonyme | compiling a linux kernel isn't that bad anyway. make menuconfig <3 |
| 12:08.00 | moshii | xk: maybe your cpu has one of those bugs that came in with the i586 and it isn't patched unless march is set to i586 or above |
| 12:08.06 | jetscreamer | on your custom compiles |
| 12:08.11 | jetscreamer | on a p2? |
| 12:08.16 | jetscreamer | err p1 |
| 12:08.22 | xk | well, i would continue doing custom kernel compiles... but I don't know the new names for NAT in the kernel config |
| 12:08.29 | nanonyme | hmm |
| 12:08.54 | solitude| | wtf |
| 12:09.00 | zmeiat_joro | liable: I backed up the partition with debian and the MBR and installed debian again with LILO, and it worked fine, so that ruled out a class of possible causes. I then deleted the newly installed aprtition and created one anew, this time with the Debian installer's partition manager, and GRUB installed fine |
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| 12:09.10 | xk | jetscreamer: hmm.. i only enable what is required (not stuff that I don't have hardware for) |
| 12:09.23 | nanonyme | xk: you sound more like a gentoo guy now :p |
| 12:09.38 | xk | it's sad that the iptables kernel config names have been totally renamed to something. |
| 12:09.47 | jetscreamer | xtables or somehting |
| 12:09.48 | moshii | nanonyme: rice'in is different ;) |
| 12:09.59 | jetscreamer | same place though |
| 12:10.31 | solitude| | ubuntu is lolz |
| 12:10.31 | solitude| | it just demanded i restart for updates to take place. |
| 12:10.31 | solitude| | Whats the easiest way for me to mount something like smb://computer/shared drive? |
| 12:10.31 | solitude| | Do I need to add them to fstab then mount them? |
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| 12:10.42 | nanonyme | but seriously, might ask on #linux or #gentoo about the kernel config names |
| 12:10.51 | zmeiat_joro | liable: the old partition was created with qtparted, the one that GRUB had trouble with but not LILO |
| 12:10.58 | moshii | solitude|: you're running ubuntu and asking here? |
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| 12:11.10 | nanonyme | there should be more people there who compile kernels and tamper with their configs |
| 12:11.32 | moshii | nanonyme: preferably ones that know what they're doing |
| 12:11.32 | jetscreamer | die parted die |
| 12:11.46 | xk | yeah. i thought it would have been noticed by now... |
| 12:11.47 | ghatak | liable: yea, it is going to be over the net, sites are not directly connected |
| 12:11.53 | jetscreamer | you might ask in ##kernel , too |
| 12:11.58 | nanonyme | yeah |
| 12:12.07 | xk | the names were totally renamed, but the old names are not migrated. |
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| 12:12.14 | jetscreamer | it used to be slow in ##kernel iirc |
| 12:12.27 | jetscreamer | they do have kernel-docs |
| 12:12.40 | nanonyme | btw, does debian stable kernel come with ipv6? |
| 12:12.41 | gmustafa | i m trying to connect using a USR modem ,, i keep getting Jul 23 08:07:18 hera pppd[6154]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0xa0000> <magic 0x986bf748> <pcomp> <accomp>] |
| 12:12.46 | gmustafa | Jul 23 08:07:42 hera last message repeated 8 times |
| 12:12.46 | gmustafa | any idea? |
| 12:12.51 | moshii | nanonyme: yes |
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| 12:13.14 | moshii | nanonyme: and the aiccu client to connect up with Sixxs IIRC |
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| 12:13.29 | nanonyme | nice. i think it's safe to say it that all modern linuxes support it then. debian is one of the most conservative ones i know, after all |
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| 12:13.47 | moshii | nanonyme: stock debian kernels have everything built as a module |
| 12:13.51 | nanonyme | ah |
| 12:13.52 | jetscreamer | it's the kernel |
| 12:13.59 | nanonyme | ok, that's cool |
| 12:14.09 | moshii | nanonyme: so anything that's supported in the kernel is available without overhead |
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| 12:14.47 | jetscreamer | any distro that gets their kernel source from kernels.org supports whatever |
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| 12:14.54 | jetscreamer | unless they rip it out |
| 12:15.00 | moshii | jetscreamer: or patch it to hell |
| 12:15.10 | nanonyme | i'm going to have the actual tunnel on an openwrt box though. debian just needs to handle it for it to suit my needs |
| 12:15.38 | moshii | nanonyme: you need to get a subnet from your broker then |
| 12:15.42 | nanonyme | i have one |
| 12:15.53 | solitude| | moshii, no |
| 12:16.08 | solitude| | that was an off the cuff remark |
| 12:16.19 | moshii | nanonyme: easy as pie then, when you get the route advertising working it's very smooth |
| 12:16.23 | solitude| | I run debian and freebsd ¬_¬ |
| 12:16.23 | nanonyme | yups |
| 12:16.31 | abrotman | solitude|: and ubuntu apparently |
| 12:16.38 | solitude| | and windows server2k3 |
| 12:16.55 | solitude| | In a manner of speaking, I'm setting up my dads laptop. |
| 12:17.06 | nanonyme | what about virtualization? i'd also be setting up two virtual servers on the debian |
| 12:17.13 | solitude| | He asked for ubuntu/ |
| 12:17.20 | nanonyme | are there any nice programs for it in repository? |
| 12:17.40 | solitude| | anyway, can anyone help me? :) |
| 12:17.55 | abrotman | solitude|: ask #ubuntu for help with your ubuntu install |
| 12:18.07 | solitude| | its not the ubuntu box ... |
| 12:18.15 | moshii | nanonyme: xen seems to have fallen out of unstable :/ |
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| 12:18.37 | moshii | nanonyme: if you get a box with hardware support it's very nice though :) |
| 12:18.57 | solitude| | It's not mine, i have no need to make it connect to my server. |
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| 12:19.04 | solitude| | I do need to make the debian one connect though. |
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| 12:19.29 | nanonyme | moshii: ehm, i don't want to run any services on the hardware one. i'm running all services inside virtual servers |
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| 12:20.23 | nanonyme | maybe vserver? |
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| 12:21.33 | tuzhila | how i can to do this: #asterisk :You need to be identified to join that channel |
| 12:21.48 | abrotman | tuzhila: /msg nickserv help |
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| 12:23.00 | tuzhila | i did not find anything, what can help me |
| 12:23.16 | abrotman | tuzhila: you have to register |
| 12:23.35 | tuzhila | i know, but how? |
| 12:24.24 | abrotman | tuzhila: /msg nickserv help register |
| 12:24.29 | moshii | nanonyme: if it's just to seperate out services, openvz is pretty cool |
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| 12:24.40 | tuzhila | i have to register my nick? |
| 12:24.43 | tuzhila | yes? |
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| 12:25.23 | tuzhila | abrotman??? |
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| 12:25.31 | abrotman | tuzhila: /msg nickserv help register |
| 12:25.49 | tuzhila | thanks |
| 12:25.53 | abrotman | isn't there a channel for how to use IRC ? |
| 12:26.02 | desper | modem is not working can any buddy help me plz? |
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| 12:27.13 | larstr | enouf: yes, has to be one of these. This is an 8 socket system, but the debian guest will only see 1 cpu since that's all I've given it, even though the cpu is named "MP" |
| 12:28.08 | enouf | larstr: ahh .. the crappy world of VMs ;-) |
| 12:28.12 | desper | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.13 | nanonyme | moshii: hmm, that sounds good. i think i'll check that out |
| 12:28.17 | desper | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.24 | abrotman | ask again |
| 12:28.35 | enouf | one mo' time |
| 12:28.36 | nanonyme | btw, does it only feel like it or is debian unstable lagging behind releases badly nowadays? |
| 12:28.39 | abrotman | !tell desper about ask |
| 12:28.48 | abrotman | nanonyme: unstable doesn't have releases ? |
| 12:29.05 | nanonyme | abrotman: release as in software release, not debian release |
| 12:29.16 | desper | help me trying to connect USR serial modem on debian |
| 12:29.19 | abrotman | nanonyme: for some stuff .. but that happens |
| 12:29.25 | nanonyme | hmm |
| 12:29.33 | nanonyme | yeah |
| 12:29.35 | abrotman | nanonyme: you mean either kde or gnome ? |
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| 12:29.56 | desper | help me trying to connect USR serial modem on debian |
| 12:29.57 | nanonyme | abrotman: stable, testing and unstable are the same for at least irssi and openvz |
| 12:30.09 | nanonyme | abrotman: no new packages have been made for a while |
| 12:30.20 | nanonyme | that's what i found odd |
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| 12:30.42 | nanonyme | still, updates on both projects are being released |
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| 12:30.48 | enouf | desper: what;s lspci | grep -i winmodem say? |
| 12:30.55 | enouf | gah |
| 12:31.02 | enouf | my bad, you said serial |
| 12:31.04 | nanonyme | oh well, i suppose i should start packaging them myself instead of complaining ;) |
| 12:31.14 | abrotman | nanonyme: there's only been one release |
| 12:31.16 | liable | lspci says winmodem? |
| 12:31.19 | abrotman | for irssi |
| 12:31.27 | liable | i havent ever seen athat |
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| 12:31.32 | abrotman | neither have i |
| 12:31.44 | abrotman | but let's allow enouf to ramble on a bit more .. could get funny |
| 12:31.44 | queuetue | Is there a debian recommended hardware list available? (Specifically, looking for recommended SATAII raid controllers.) |
| 12:31.52 | liable | heh |
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| 12:32.04 | desper | there in no any command like lspci in debian |
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| 12:32.10 | desper | or it did't installed |
| 12:32.13 | desper | may bhe |
| 12:32.13 | liable | desper: eh? |
| 12:32.19 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:32.31 | liable | desper: pci-utils is the package |
| 12:32.36 | enouf | keep laughing there .. a jerky ;-P |
| 12:32.41 | desper | liable: i think it's not installed |
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| 12:33.12 | abrotman | enouf: you've got some wacky hardware .. but not all of them do that |
| 12:33.13 | liable | enouf: interesting, i have two of em and never seen that. nor in any output i have seen |
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| 12:33.38 | abrotman | enouf: you keep laughing while you're 7 games back ... |
| 12:33.39 | enouf | check with lshal as well folks |
| 12:33.43 | solitude| | pciutils surely? |
| 12:33.44 | desper | liable: pciutil was not installed i did in now |
| 12:33.52 | abrotman | it's a freaking serial modem |
| 12:33.55 | enouf | abrotman: yeah, but wakefields in flight .. |
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| 12:34.09 | liable | whats a hyphen between friends |
| 12:34.23 | liable | not hymen! |
| 12:34.31 | enouf | !hymen liable |
| 12:34.38 | desper | liable: and the modem is detected on /dev/ttyS0 |
| 12:34.40 | enouf | nada |
| 12:34.50 | abrotman | desper: so use pppconfig to set it up |
| 12:35.03 | enouf | tried minicom or kppp maybe desper ? |
| 12:35.11 | queuetue | I'd love to just find "this hardware configuration works well with this OS release" information somewhere... |
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| 12:35.45 | liable | minicom? you want him to use his modem or kill himself? |
| 12:35.48 | enouf | go buy RHEL |
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| 12:36.01 | enouf | liable: heh |
| 12:37.11 | desper | i configured with the help of pppconfig but in log it says "Modem hangup" |
| 12:37.26 | abrotman | queuetue: if linux supports it .. you sohuld be able to make debian work with it as well |
| 12:37.33 | desper | and than "Connection terminated" |
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| 12:38.28 | queuetue | abrotman, The two parts of that that seem to be difficult are "If linux supports it" and "should be able". But I'll soldier on. :) |
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| 12:39.43 | desper | help me pzl |
| 12:39.46 | desper | help me please |
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| 12:40.00 | peter_ | desper, whats wrong/ |
| 12:40.01 | peter_ | ? |
| 12:40.23 | desper | peter, modem |
| 12:40.35 | peter_ | desper, whats wrong with it ? |
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| 12:40.40 | peter_ | is it 56kbps modem ? :) |
| 12:40.43 | abrotman | queuetue: if you can get the PCIid .. it's easier |
| 12:40.46 | enouf | desper: is your modem listed there http://xmodem.org/modems/extlist.html |
| 12:40.49 | abrotman | !hcl |
| 12:40.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, or http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ |
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| 12:41.14 | abrotman | queuetue: and very likely .. it'll just work .. the RAID part might not . but at least a drive will |
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| 12:41.51 | desper | enouf, let me check |
| 12:42.01 | suwro | hello |
| 12:42.19 | suwro | how can i put my laptop direct on hibernate instead suspend to memory ??? |
| 12:42.23 | liable | hehe, fox news uses ubuntu and it shows http://reddit.com/info/28nfk/comments |
| 12:42.40 | suwro | when i close mi lid - i have klid which call suspend to memory |
| 12:43.18 | queuetue | abrotman, Right, I know debian will be able to find a disk, I just am trying to determine hardware that will let me install raid by default, from a stock ISO, without 2 days of research and rebuilding. |
| 12:43.37 | moshii | suwro: change the acpid script |
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| 12:44.03 | abrotman | queuetue: it's not going to be cheap :) |
| 12:44.06 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 12:44.06 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux-ata.org/ |
| 12:44.09 | queuetue | Every time I put together a RAID box, I wind up having to just give up a disk for boot, and the system isn't really redundant. |
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| 12:44.36 | suwro | moshii: ty |
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| 12:44.43 | desper | enouf, it's not there i have "USR5631 56K Faxmodem" |
| 12:45.00 | desper | u can see it hare "http://www.usr-apr.com/support/s-prod-template.asp?loc=unkg&prod=5631" |
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| 12:47.27 | queuetue | abrotman, "not going to be cheap" - does that mean that no hardware will allow me to install to a software RAID partition, and I have to go for "big" hardware ($400+ HW controllers from 3ware or LSI) in order to have a real raid solution? |
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| 12:48.06 | queuetue | "real" here meaning, booting from the raid device. |
| 12:48.21 | keith4 | can't grub boot from a software raid? |
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| 12:49.04 | abrotman | queuetue: oh .. software raid .. that's eas |
| 12:49.06 | abrotman | easy |
| 12:49.13 | abrotman | queuetue: i thought you wanted hwraid |
| 12:49.19 | desper | help please |
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| 12:49.43 | abrotman | desper: which version of debian is this ? |
| 12:50.23 | desper | abrotman, Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2 |
| 12:50.26 | queuetue | abrotman, Not necessarily. Sorry, if I was being confising. I was was asking for recommended SATA harwdare that would allow be to install to a SW raid with minimum hassle. |
| 12:50.39 | abrotman | queuetue: that'd be pretty much anything AFAIK |
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| 12:51.24 | abrotman | queuetue: if you have a card you're looking at specifically .. it makes it easier to find out if it works or not |
| 12:51.52 | moshii | queuetue: any supported SATA controller will work |
| 12:51.53 | queuetue | abrotman, I would expect that most will, as well, but there are no end to the people who are complaining that it doesn't with specific hardware... |
| 12:52.07 | moshii | queuetue: look on the libata page |
| 12:52.25 | hark | liable: haha, awesome |
| 12:52.51 | queuetue | moshii, linux-ata.org ? |
| 12:53.25 | desper | heeeeeeelp |
| 12:53.57 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 12:53.58 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux-ata.org/ |
| 12:54.00 | abrotman | queuetue: ^^ |
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| 12:54.26 | queuetue | desper, There is no situation in which repeating "help" is going to get you any. Describe your problem from time to time, and people will help you if a) They know the problem, b) they know the answer, c) they have time, and d) they like you. |
| 12:54.56 | abrotman | e) you don't annoy the piss out of them |
| 12:54.58 | desper | oooooooooooooooooooooh sooo sorry |
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| 12:55.16 | abrotman | right .. like that |
| 12:55.18 | hark | like that ;) |
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| 12:56.33 | desper | I have Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2 os and USR5631 56K Faxmodem ,i configured with the help of pppconfig but in log it says "Modem hangup" need help |
| 12:57.21 | queuetue | sohmestra, as I understand it, if I get a promise TX@/TX4 board, and install it in a "bare" machine, the standard debian stable should give me a raid install option, without any special effort? |
| 12:57.32 | queuetue | sohmestra, Sorry, that wasn't meant for you. :) |
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| 12:58.11 | queuetue | To much python programming has left me with sporadic tabbing disease. :) |
| 12:58.15 | keith4 | desper: is that a soft modem? |
| 12:58.40 | abrotman | keith4: it's external |
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| 12:59.10 | keith4 | ok, that's a good start then ;-) |
| 12:59.19 | liable | desper: could be anything. stupid mode may be an option that may help |
| 13:00.02 | abrotman | his ppp log might help |
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| 13:01.23 | fmarostica | Is GNUStep in Debian SID broken? |
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| 13:01.34 | ahlfors | Hi. I have a new Dell laptop, and when I manually enter suspend-to-ram (ACPI S3), everything is fine, but when the debian ACPI system handles it (with /etc/acpi/*.d/) I get a hard lockup. Any ideas? |
| 13:01.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: is it? |
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| 13:05.09 | nanonyme | hey, what does debian do to bootloader and the files on /boot on kernel upgrade? can i upgrade kernel without having a name change on /boot and without a bootloader update? |
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| 13:05.59 | Flakk | Hello people I have a problem connecting debian with Internet through an adsl modem with a pppoe protocol. Any help? the rpovider does not want to help saying that Linux is not his business |
| 13:06.03 | Flakk | any help? |
| 13:06.08 | enouf | desper: i've been looking feversihly for help for you, but to no avail .. can you post some logs please in a pastebin? Please read man pppd as well |
| 13:06.29 | enouf | desper: and pppconfig .. do you have KDE installed? |
| 13:06.49 | Flakk | enouf: yes I have kde |
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| 13:06.55 | Flakk | i tried pppoeconf |
| 13:07.10 | enouf | Flakk: are you desper ?? |
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| 13:07.22 | Flakk | :)))) sorry |
| 13:07.23 | Flakk | no |
| 13:07.25 | liable | try wvdial for shits and giigles |
| 13:08.29 | Flakk | my problem is also wth the ppp so i thought you were answering my question. sorry again |
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| 13:09.10 | xk | Flakk: what's the problem? |
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| 13:10.08 | desper | enouf, sorry i was not hare and i don't have kde |
| 13:10.35 | desper | enouf yes i can put some logs |
| 13:10.38 | enouf | desper: ok .. |
| 13:10.39 | Flakk | xk : the problem is that i can not connect with internet. the protocol is pppoe, it is an adsl modem. the provide refuses to help saying that Linux is not his business. |
| 13:10.54 | xk | Flakk: what error messages do you get |
| 13:11.07 | Flakk | xk: the pppoeconf program which works usually says that there is no access concenttrator on the modem |
| 13:11.14 | xk | did pppoeconf pass the detection process? |
| 13:11.17 | xk | ok. |
| 13:11.18 | Flakk | no |
| 13:11.30 | xk | is the modem in bridge mode? |
| 13:12.05 | Flakk | xk I do not know |
| 13:12.27 | ahlfors | When debian runs the files in a "foo.d" directory, does it skip those that are not flagged executable? |
| 13:12.39 | Flakk | the provider explained me that by default they tune the modem to work with USB |
| 13:12.40 | xk | Flakk: that's the problem most likely - you need to change it to bridge mode, then you can use the debian box's pppoe |
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| 13:12.50 | xk | oh... is it ethernet or usb modem? |
| 13:13.02 | Flakk | xk both |
| 13:13.09 | Flakk | they say they tuned it for USB |
| 13:13.17 | Flakk | but I prefer ethernet by far |
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| 13:13.24 | Flakk | so i try ethernet |
| 13:13.25 | desper | enouf, please check this |
| 13:13.31 | desper | CONNECT 45333/ARQ |
| 13:13.31 | desper | --> Carrier detected. Starting PPP immediately. |
| 13:13.31 | desper | --> Starting pppd at Mon Jul 23 09:08:47 2007 |
| 13:13.31 | desper | --> Pid of pppd: 6536 |
| 13:13.31 | desper | --> Disconnecting at Mon Jul 23 09:08:48 2007 |
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| 13:13.41 | xk | Flakk: is this machine going to share the connection for the network? |
| 13:13.45 | xk | or just a single machine? |
| 13:13.49 | Flakk | single |
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| 13:14.16 | xk | Flakk: ok, set modem into bridge mode, connect adsl modem's ethernet to computer, try pppoeconf again. |
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| 13:14.28 | Flakk | xk how do i set it to bridge mode?? |
| 13:14.29 | enouf | desper: i said a pastebin .. |
| 13:14.30 | xk | have you confirmed if the computer's NIC is up? |
| 13:14.33 | desper | enouf, did u got any thing? iam trying to connect with the help of wvdail |
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| 13:14.55 | desper | pastebin?? |
| 13:14.55 | enouf | !tell desper about pastebin |
| 13:14.59 | xk | Flakk: what brand/model modem? |
| 13:15.17 | Flakk | zte zxdsl b31 series |
| 13:15.26 | Flakk | made in china )) |
| 13:15.49 | xk | 831 or b31? |
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| 13:15.56 | desper | enouf, what? |
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| 13:16.18 | Flakk | sorry 831 |
| 13:16.33 | Flakk | 831A to be precise |
| 13:16.43 | ahlfors | grrr, why doesn't the ACPI suspend script use run-parts, like one would expect?! |
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| 13:17.47 | Flakk | there are no switches on it who could suggest that i cabn put iit to oone or another mode, d u mean i should change something in the options? |
| 13:18.07 | xk | Flakk: it's in the configuration of the modem |
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| 13:18.33 | desper | enouf, accept it |
| 13:18.37 | en1gma | sup all |
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| 13:18.43 | Flakk | xk: they suggest in the instruction to do http://102/168.1.1 and then they assume that the coonfiguration will start. |
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| 13:19.03 | Flakk | however I donot suceed to get the 192.168.1.1 even after ifcnfig eth0 |
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| 13:19.32 | xk | Flakk: set the address of eth0 to 192.168.1.2 |
| 13:19.39 | moshii | Flakk: you shouldn't get 192.168.1.1 if you have to load a webinterface.. |
| 13:19.50 | Flakk | xk : oh ok and then?? |
| 13:19.56 | xk | Flakk: try again? |
| 13:20.11 | moshii | you could also try dhclient eth0 |
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| 13:20.54 | Flakk | with 192.168.11.2 the same effect : iceweasel cant establish the connection to 192.168.1.2 |
| 13:20.55 | enouf | desper: man pppconfig and fill in all the appropriate files with the correct info |
| 13:21.01 | Flakk | wow |
| 13:21.07 | Flakk | but it s ok to 1.1!!!! |
| 13:21.12 | xk | sigh |
| 13:21.18 | enouf | desper: read the man page and see the Files: section |
| 13:21.57 | Flakk | what the hell?? why should i ifconfig smth to 1.2, and then connect to 1.1 ?? -- you are great wizards |
| 13:22.03 | xk | YES |
| 13:22.33 | petemc | MAYBE |
| 13:22.42 | Flakk | xk well i am trying now |
| 13:24.53 | Flakk | it says: your dsl ROUTER is ready to connect to Internet there is no ppp session defined configure it dfrom quick setup. should I do this quick setup? or launch pppoeconf? |
| 13:25.02 | xk | who says? |
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| 13:25.53 | Flakk | well when i had the connectioin to 1.1 there was a login prompt, and following the providers instructions I login'd as admin, and then it suggested what I said |
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| 13:26.39 | xk | here's what you have to do: establish http/web to modem configuration stuff, find somewhere related to "adsl connection" where you can set the mode... change it to BRIDGE, save it, reboot. then try pppoeconf again. |
| 13:26.40 | stelki | Is there a wiki I can read before asking here? |
| 13:26.55 | stelki | Maybe somebody has encountered my problem |
| 13:27.11 | petemc | xk: you dont think theres a point to letting the device do the pppoe? |
| 13:27.55 | xk | petemc: well, then what's the point of trying to get pppoe going on the linux box? |
| 13:28.06 | petemc | theres none? |
| 13:28.09 | xk | you may aswell not try that step. |
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| 13:28.52 | stelki | Oh well, are there any known bugs with the forcedeth module? I seem to be unable to retrieve an ip from dhcp, this only applies in a GNU/Linux environment |
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| 13:29.15 | Flakk | xk: through the 192.168.1.1 I caan not set up the brodge option. there are many things but NO bridge/router |
| 13:29.29 | xk | Flakk: have you tried getting the modem establish the adsl connection? |
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| 13:29.47 | xk | Flakk: well, with google, i've seen mentions of that modem model and people saying "I changed it from router mode to bridge mode" |
| 13:29.50 | xk | so it must be possible |
| 13:30.09 | xk | if it's not intuitive... well.. i'm not surprised, china is not known for quality. |
| 13:30.23 | Flakk | there is the suggestion : connect to the internet BUT no ppp session defined |
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| 13:36.44 | ahlfors | How do I change the global font anti-aliasing settings for KDE? There is a per-user config in kcontrol, but by default KDE reverts to the "system settings". So I want to change those system settings. |
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| 13:37.24 | Ranpha1 | Is it possible to label disk with encryption already on it? |
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| 13:38.05 | Flakk | xk: trying the provider's help )) btw apparently it is in the bride mode |
| 13:38.12 | Flakk | bridge |
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| 13:40.39 | twobitsp1ite | I always forget what the command is to update the rc.d files... |
| 13:40.46 | enouf | ahlfors: i don't know, but maybe somewhere in /etc/kde3/ |
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| 13:41.00 | enouf | !update-rc.d |
| 13:41.01 | dpkg | from memory, update-rc.d is used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process, or see rcconf NOT a tool that should be used by users, see the manpage. |
| 13:41.20 | twobitsp1ite | enouf: hmm... that's what I thought it was, but it doesn't look like my system has that |
| 13:41.55 | enouf | not debian |
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| 13:42.17 | twobitsp1ite | enouf: no, it is... it's just this lame hacked up debian that my hosting service installed for me |
| 13:42.30 | enouf | sysv-rc and sysvinit pkgs |
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| 13:43.02 | ahlfors | enouf, ok I will look |
| 13:43.17 | twobitsp1ite | enouf: ohh, nm... it just wasn't in my user's path |
| 13:43.51 | petemc | twobitsp1ite: by default, it wouldnt be |
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| 13:46.07 | solemnwarning | Does windows server support the "CIFS Unix extensions" mentioned in mount.cifs(8)? |
| 13:46.35 | twobitsp1ite | solemnwarning: somehow, I doubt it |
| 13:46.39 | solemnwarning | ok |
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| 13:48.04 | twobitsp1ite | hmm... for some reason, my xterm is sending mouse signals to the shell process, and it doesn't like it |
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| 13:48.55 | wishkah | can I run any pre-compiled 32-bit binary on a amd64 debian system? |
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| 13:49.14 | SlayerXP | wishkah: yes, you have our permission to do so. |
| 13:49.23 | wishkah | cause it tells me "file or directory not found" |
| 13:49.32 | wishkah | it's there, not a permission problem |
| 13:49.44 | SlayerXP | is is marked as being executable? |
| 13:49.54 | wishkah | yup, not a permission problem |
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| 13:50.01 | SlayerXP | and do you have the 32 bit compatibility package installed? |
| 13:50.09 | twobitsp1ite | wishkah: in the path? (i.e. are you trying "./foo" as opposed to "foo" when . isn't in your PATH) |
| 13:50.16 | aptituz | hi |
| 13:50.26 | wishkah | I'm not sure, lemme check for the package |
| 13:50.49 | twobitsp1ite | SlayerXP: methinks it should try to run it anyways, and if there was a problem it would core dump |
| 13:50.58 | twobitsp1ite | SlayerXP: shouldn't not find it |
| 13:51.19 | wishkah | SlayerXP: 'apt-cache search 32bit compatability' doesn't find anything, pls gimme a hint |
| 13:51.25 | aptituz | I'm trying to preseed a debian installation. Everything okay until now, except that i don't get it to setup a custom repository. it does not seem to import the specified key. which format must this key be in? are there any other expectations d-i makes about this key? |
| 13:51.46 | Flakk | xk: finally they lead me through the whole process which was not obvious at all; well it works now! tanks a lot |
| 13:52.10 | Ranpha1 | Is it possible to label disk with encryption already on it? |
| 13:53.14 | twobitsp1ite | Ranpha1: can you read the label on the disk w/o decrypting it? |
| 13:53.19 | wishkah | okay, I install libc6-i386 and now the binary loads, but complains about missing libraries. how can I install the 32bit versions of the libraries it needs? manual compile? |
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| 13:54.08 | Ranpha1 | twobitsplite: i want to make a label on a encrypted disk so that i can do cryptetup luksOpen 'label' 1 |
| 13:54.19 | SlayerXP | wishkah: you'll have to manually get the library packages an unpack them into /lib32 |
| 13:54.51 | wishkah | SlayerXP: so fetch-only the packages using apt, then extract them to /lib32? |
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| 13:55.13 | RoyK | hi |
| 13:55.33 | RoyK | how can I put a debian install CD on a USB pen and make it bootable? |
| 13:55.55 | stew | RoyK: /msg dpkg usb-install |
| 13:55.56 | aptituz | RoyK: have a look at the install manual |
| 13:56.08 | aptituz | its written there in |
| 13:56.22 | RoyK | aptituz: where's that? |
| 13:56.51 | moshii | usb booting is horrible |
| 13:56.57 | stew | RoyK: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 13:57.28 | aptituz | RoyK: you are able to read the index of the the install guide, aren't you? |
| 13:57.34 | blinx | I'm searching a good event manager |
| 13:57.37 | blinx | like sunbird |
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| 13:57.47 | blinx | anyone can recommend something? |
| 13:57.51 | metbsd | dpkg, usb-install |
| 13:57.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
| 13:58.19 | stew | dpkg: usb-install =~ s#(sarge) ## |
| 13:58.19 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 13:58.20 | aptituz | hm.. |
| 13:58.49 | bkw | Is it possible to forward all incoming tcp connections to port X (ie port 26) to port Y (port 25), both on the same server? |
| 13:58.50 | aptituz | d-i does not seem to like gpg ascii public keys, but he does not like other gpg keys either :( |
| 13:59.01 | RoyK | bkw: yes |
| 13:59.03 | bzed | bkw: man iptables. |
| 13:59.04 | moshii | bkw: yes |
| 13:59.29 | qwertz | Hi, just upgraded a server from sarge to etch. all went quite smooth only that apt-file didn't upgrade and stays now always in "kept back" - so is there a way to upgrade apt-file too? dist-upgrade doesn't help |
| 13:59.40 | RoyK | bkw: iptables -t nat -A -p tcp --dport 25 -j DNAT --to-destination 127.0.0.1:26 |
| 13:59.41 | RoyK | iirc |
| 13:59.51 | stew | qwertz: what happens when you run "aptitude install apt-file" |
| 13:59.54 | aptituz | mh.. maybe it wants .gpg extension |
| 14:01.05 | bkw | RoyK: Will that work even if I'm not using any NAT? |
| 14:01.29 | qwertz | stew, thanks worked (aptitude had to replace libconfigfile-perl with libconfig-file-perl) |
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| 14:02.19 | RoyK | bkw: just try |
| 14:02.30 | bkw | ok |
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| 14:03.38 | Roey | RoyK: hey again |
| 14:03.44 | Roey | what are you doing with my name?? |
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| 14:05.20 | fmarostica | GNUStep is broken in unstable? |
| 14:06.24 | RoyK | Roey: not my fault |
| 14:06.29 | Roey | hehe |
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| 14:06.52 | Roey | what's the K for? |
| 14:07.01 | RoyK | Roey: try whois |
| 14:07.09 | Roey | oh |
| 14:07.16 | RoyK | :P |
| 14:07.25 | Roey | Karlsbakk... hmm |
| 14:07.33 | Roey | and with your middle name being Sigurd |
| 14:07.36 | Roey | are you Norwegian?? |
| 14:07.45 | Roey | (I know a Norwegian Sigurd) |
| 14:07.53 | RoyK | yes |
| 14:08.16 | Roey | cool |
| 14:08.43 | RoyK | it's a Norwegian name, and hardly used elsewhere, except Iceland, Sigurður |
| 14:08.56 | QliXed | Hi!, i need to know if debian have a sort of release scheme?, like a stable version every year, or something like that, i searching about it, but only got the version number scheme :S |
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| 14:11.23 | aptituz | narf.. i don't understand that preseeding is not configured properly :( |
| 14:12.06 | abrotman | QliXed: they release when it's ready .. no schedule .. |
| 14:12.13 | abrotman | tarzeau: is it ? |
| 14:12.14 | QliXed | Thanks :D |
| 14:12.26 | aptituz | s/configured/documented/ |
| 14:12.33 | abrotman | QliXed: i've not figured otu the method for choosing a version number .. but that's not a big deal .. it's just a number |
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| 14:13.22 | QliXed | abrotman: no, i need to know only if a release scheme is based on time basis, or is a "when we feel it's ready" manner. |
| 14:13.34 | QliXed | abrotman: thanks :) |
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| 14:15.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: is what? |
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| 14:18.52 | solemnwarning | If I create a tar archive of /mnt/snapshot can I make tar strip the /mnt/snapshot from the archive filenames and put all files from /mnt/snapshot in the root of the archive? |
| 14:18.59 | Pete_B | I'm trying to configure a workstation to Login to a Samba domain. I've followed the recommendations of the man winbind page; edited /etc/nsswitch.conf and /etc/pam.d/gdm. I get asked for a password twice, anyone know why? |
| 14:20.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: see fmarostica |
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| 14:21.06 | fmarostica | abrotman ? |
| 14:21.15 | abrotman | fmarostica: about gnustep |
| 14:21.21 | fmarostica | abrotman, what? |
| 14:21.42 | abrotman | what? you keep asking |
| 14:21.49 | solemnwarning | Would tar -C /mnt/snapshot -cf foo.tar ./ work? |
| 14:21.52 | humbolto | how can I bring up a plain X session and start some program in it? |
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| 14:21.58 | aptituz | Pete_B: try something like use_first_pass in the last pam line |
| 14:22.04 | fmarostica | abrotman, yes, How i install gnustep in unstable? |
| 14:22.06 | aptituz | if you use something like stacked pam |
| 14:22.10 | fmarostica | abrotman, is there package? |
| 14:22.13 | abrotman | fmarostica: i was saying to ask tarzeau |
| 14:22.19 | fmarostica | hmmm |
| 14:22.20 | abrotman | !info gnustep sid |
| 14:22.22 | dpkg | gnustep: (The GNUstep Development Environment -- user applications), section x11, is optional. Version: 5.2 (sid), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 14:22.26 | abrotman | there you go |
| 14:22.44 | fmarostica | tarzeau, How I do install GNUStep in SID? |
| 14:22.54 | abrotman | fmarostica: aptitude install gnustep |
| 14:23.02 | abrotman | that's a bit different than "Is it broken" |
| 14:23.16 | fmarostica | abrotman, yes It it broken? |
| 14:23.24 | abrotman | what's wrong with aptitude install gnustep ? |
| 14:23.27 | stew | fmarostica: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 14:24.07 | Pete_B | aptituz: I've got it in the next-to-last, so I'll re-order the lines, thanks |
| 14:24.38 | tarzeau | fmarostica: apt-get install gnustep ? |
| 14:24.49 | tarzeau | fmarostica: if it doesn't work read |
| 14:24.51 | tarzeau | !sidfaq |
| 14:24.53 | fmarostica | tarzeau, I got somes errors |
| 14:24.55 | tarzeau | fmarostica: or try livecd.gnustep.org |
| 14:24.59 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 14:24.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 14:25.05 | abrotman | fmarostica: the errors are helpful |
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| 14:26.09 | lrp | hello |
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| 14:26.15 | lindenle | is there a gnuopts style library for c++? |
| 14:26.47 | lrp | do anyone here know any antivirus for debian who does not consume too much cpu and also must be powerfull detecting email viruses? |
| 14:26.57 | lindenle | clamav |
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| 14:27.08 | RoyK | lrp: are you suffering from linux viruses? |
| 14:27.17 | lrp | clamav (99%) cpu |
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| 14:27.40 | solemnwarning | lrp: Nice, an 8086 |
| 14:27.42 | lrp | i have windows computers , but my workstation and also the servers are debian |
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| 14:28.16 | lrp | im using mailscanner postfix and clamav , but the clamav is taking all the cpu when is scanning the emails |
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| 14:28.24 | lrp | i need an option to reduce |
| 14:28.39 | solemnwarning | lrp: You could renice clamav to a lower priority |
| 14:28.42 | lrp | solemnwarning, what means 8086? |
| 14:28.50 | solemnwarning | 8086 == Very old CPU |
| 14:28.51 | lrp | solemnwarning, how can i do that? |
| 14:28.58 | solemnwarning | With the renice program.... |
| 14:29.10 | Pete_B | can't get rid of the 2nd gdm password prompt when trying to login to a Samba domain from an Etch workstation. Anyone know of a useful guide to what to configure for connecting into a Samba RPC domain? |
| 14:29.35 | lrp | well i have a server with 2 mp 2,5 gz each |
| 14:29.54 | solemnwarning | 2 megapixel? |
| 14:29.54 | lrp | renice program? |
| 14:30.07 | lrp | gugahertz |
| 14:30.13 | lrp | gigagertz of speed |
| 14:30.15 | solemnwarning | mp... |
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| 14:35.48 | mike1o | recent problems running eclipse amd64 |
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| 14:38.12 | lrp | hey what about my cpu with clamav= |
| 14:38.34 | tarzeau | renattach is nice to your cpu |
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| 14:39.32 | lrp | :( |
| 14:39.37 | RoyK | lrp: try restarting the process |
| 14:39.44 | RoyK | try upgrading |
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| 14:40.02 | RoyK | perhaps try strace -p `pidof clamav` to see what it's doing |
| 14:40.11 | lrp | upgradig? |
| 14:40.19 | lrp | ok |
| 14:40.21 | lrp | let me see |
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| 14:43.02 | lrp | Rockj, the last command does not work |
| 14:43.19 | lrp | Rockj, `pidof clamav` command not found |
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| 14:44.03 | H2OyJaBoN | hi! |
| 14:48.28 | stew | lrp: pidof is a bash builtin, you must be using some other shell. 'pgrep clamav' should do something similar |
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| 14:55.57 | loupgaroublond | how do i get icedove to import my ~/.thunderbird dir from another machine? |
| 14:56.00 | Gargantua | hi |
| 14:56.27 | Gargantua | I am running etch, and I am wondering if there's a repo for xorg 7.2.2 |
| 14:56.38 | Kerr | does anyone know of an aida32-like system diagnostic/info/whatever tool, that can show accurate/detailed system specs? |
| 14:57.34 | chops | Gargantua: Checked backports? |
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| 14:57.47 | chops | loupgaroublond: scp -r? :-) |
| 14:57.48 | Gargantua | chops, pardon? |
| 14:57.55 | chops | !tell Gargantua about backports |
| 14:57.58 | abrotman | !bpo |
| 14:57.58 | dpkg | i guess backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
| 14:58.10 | loupgaroublond | chops, it's already in my home dir, but it's not showing up in icedove |
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| 14:58.25 | abrotman | though i'm not sure 7.2.2 is even in sid yet |
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| 14:58.49 | chops | loupgaroublond: Ah. In that case I have no idea. :-( |
| 14:59.18 | nanonyme | can't be that hard to just make a package and dump it in :) |
| 14:59.18 | abrotman | loupgaroublond: iirc .. there's a method in icedove to import |
| 14:59.30 | nanonyme | testing's the hard part, after all |
| 14:59.53 | chops | nanonyme: Become a maintainer and find out why :-). Especially for X. |
| 15:00.06 | nanonyme | i might some day |
| 15:00.35 | nanonyme | i don't use a debian-based system daily yet though so i can't start major packaging |
| 15:00.48 | nanonyme | installing one in near future |
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| 15:01.27 | loupgaroublond | abrotman, i'm not running thunderbird to import it from, although i just found ~/.mozilla-thunderbird, wtg, doing things different than upstream |
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| 15:02.30 | avian | Hi. Does anyone have any ideas why loading the "uhci_hcd" module turns off my monitor? |
| 15:02.36 | chops | loupgaroublond: Why do you assume it's a Debian modification instead of a change that happened since an old version of thunderbird? |
| 15:02.45 | avian | I've just upgraded to Etch and this happens when udev loads it on boot |
| 15:02.49 | Pete_B | to configure Etch to join a Windows domain, is it enough to just change /etc/pam.d/gsm, can I leave /etc/pam.d/login alone? |
| 15:02.58 | Pete_B | (/etc/pam.d/gdm) |
| 15:03.09 | chops | avian: Sounds like a bug |
| 15:03.39 | loupgaroublond | chops, because i've never seen it use that dir before |
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| 15:04.33 | avian | chops: this happens with debian kernel and a custom one I've compiled myself |
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| 15:05.42 | chops | loupgaroublond: And as I said... :-). Have you tried running icedove and telling it to import from your ~/.thunderbird directory? I mean, that sounds like a silly question, but your question was "is it possible" rather than "it's not working because X" :-/ |
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| 15:08.11 | loupgaroublond | chops, i didn't see the option, however just renaming my dir fixed things |
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| 15:08.24 | chops | loupgaroublond: Excellent |
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| 15:12.14 | loupgaroublond | is there a way to get the inter debian menu as an icon on the gnome-panel? |
| 15:12.28 | sdffdssdf | My debian install does not boot (ext3 error), is there a cd/floppy I can download that will allow me to run fsck ? |
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| 15:12.47 | petemc | sdffdssdf: the install cd |
| 15:12.59 | sdffdssdf | does it matter if my debian is very old? |
| 15:13.02 | sdffdssdf | just grab latest one? |
| 15:13.19 | abrotman | how old is very old ? |
| 15:13.37 | sdffdssdf | sec |
| 15:13.45 | abrotman | sdffdssdf: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 15:14.37 | sdffdssdf | kernel 2.6.8 |
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| 15:14.44 | sdffdssdf | abrotman, i can't boot into it ;) |
| 15:14.52 | abrotman | oh .. so it's sarge most likely |
| 15:16.01 | chops | sdffdssdf: What's the ext3 error? |
| 15:16.02 | sdffdssdf | Guess, I'm just grabbing latest net-install |
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| 15:16.30 | sdffdssdf | unable to write ioblock etc etc |
| 15:16.43 | sdffdssdf | drive seek error |
| 15:16.46 | sdffdssdf | unrecoverableError |
| 15:16.50 | sdffdssdf | Kernel Panic! |
| 15:16.52 | sdffdssdf | etc |
| 15:16.53 | abrotman | sounds like your drive is toast |
| 15:17.07 | sdffdssdf | Yup, Just to to run fsck to make sure :') |
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| 15:18.24 | drbair_laptop | remote management of cups isn't working so well. Connecting over http:631, all is well. But connecting https:631 doesn't go anywhere. Links says 'ssl negotiation' as it sits there. Any pointers? |
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| 15:19.23 | xand | drbair_laptop: it doesn't do ssl, and even if it did, it wouldn't be the same port number... that wouldn't work |
| 15:19.34 | xand | well, it might do ssl, but certainly not on that port number |
| 15:20.23 | MangosDebian | xand: heya! |
| 15:20.43 | MangosDebian | hmmm lunch break. thought i'd say hello :) |
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| 15:21.43 | drbair_laptop | xand: I tried switching the SSL port to 632 for grins. Still no go. When you try to access the admin pages remotely, it redirects you to https://host:631/admin (and then proceeds to do... nothing!) |
| 15:21.50 | xand | MangosDebian: hi |
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| 15:22.07 | xand | drbair_laptop: well if it does that it's broken, as that couldn't possibly work |
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| 15:23.20 | Roey | xand: hi again |
| 15:23.32 | Roey | xand: how is it I'm seeing more and more of you all of a sudden |
| 15:23.48 | MangosDebian | I wish I was a cyber duty officer or something and get paid to chat on irc :/ Oh well, back at it I guess. l8r |
| 15:23.52 | Roey | xand: ahh, you're on #mplayer, too. Maybe that's it. |
| 15:23.58 | Roey | MangosDebian: :) |
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| 15:25.07 | roland_ | hi |
| 15:25.50 | xand | Roey: cos you came in here ;) |
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| 15:26.19 | roland_ | my vmware workstation doesntwork on debian |
| 15:26.21 | roland_ | what to d |
| 15:26.25 | roland_ | i need to load a vmware image |
| 15:26.29 | Roey | xand: yeah but it's like you've been active this month more than others |
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| 15:26.37 | Roey | more than in other months |
| 15:26.46 | xand | I have? |
| 15:26.56 | xand | !vmware |
| 15:26.56 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask the vendor for support, or ask here: #vmware |
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| 15:28.46 | aptituz | hm.. isn't it possible to let d-i log what it does? |
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| 15:31.20 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 15:32.12 | gypsymauro | there is a way with iptables to allow just a process to pass? I mean something like zonealarm so if the application is "squid" it can go out otherwise not |
| 15:32.19 | drbair_laptop | well seems that you need to manually generate an SSL certificate in /etc/cups/ssl and then it works fine over https:631 |
| 15:32.31 | Dharmesh | how can I clear Dns cache of dnsmasq?? |
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| 15:34.13 | twobitsp1ite | gypsymauro: you could always look at the man page |
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| 15:36.18 | chops | gypsymauro: There is a match for the UID associated with the process that sent the packet; you can easily tell iptables to accept all packets coming from the 'proxy' user, for example. |
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| 15:38.22 | gypsymauro | chops: oh this will be great can u tell me the name of this tecnique so I can search documentation? |
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| 15:38.53 | chops | gypsymauro: I don't remember the name -- if you search the iptables man page for 'user' or 'uid' I'm sure you'll find it, though. |
| 15:39.06 | twobitsp1ite | gypsymauro:" man iptables" then "/uid" |
| 15:39.18 | gypsymauro | ok tanx a lot:) |
| 15:39.49 | L0cKn | sese |
| 15:39.53 | L0cKn | tanx a leot :E |
| 15:39.55 | L0cKn | non a lot |
| 15:39.55 | L0cKn | :°D |
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| 15:40.27 | zrin | how can I reinstall pam-modules and pam-runtime? |
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| 15:42.22 | zrin | I mean libpam-* |
| 15:43.02 | twobitsp1ite | zrin: aptitude reinstal libpam-modules doesn't work? |
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| 15:43.16 | twobitsp1ite | er, "reinstall" |
| 15:43.45 | zrin | thank you, I was trying apt-get reinstall and dpkg |
| 15:43.45 | dpkg | de nada, zrin |
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| 15:46.04 | zrin | twobitsp1ite: I'd like it to install fresh config .... because of passwd[3027]: PAM no modules loaded for `passwd' service |
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| 15:47.31 | twobitsp1ite | zrin: aptitude remove --purge <pkg> && aptitude install <pkg> |
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| 15:48.56 | zrin | twobitsp1ite: heh, it would remove half of the server that way :( |
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| 15:50.22 | RobNyc-work | Hello everyone |
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| 15:51.00 | RobNyc-work | i have a mx 4000 card was debian etch upgraded to testing then now to sid.. the nvidia-glx-legacy 91xx driver doesnt support the 2.6.21 kernel it seems it only works with the 2.6.18 kernel |
| 15:51.02 | Testerss | I'm looking for an up-to-date Debian/syslog-ng how-to.... any suggestions? |
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| 15:53.57 | blubberdiblub | Testerss: hmm, have you already looked at /usr/share/doc/syslog-ng/html/index.html ? Well, of course that's not a how-to or a tutorial, but reading through it and understanding it would help a great deal, i think ^_^ |
| 15:54.12 | valdyn | RobNyc-work: right, known problem |
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| 15:55.41 | blubberdiblub | RobNyc-work, valdyn: didn't someone have a workaround for that? gpm? was it something about the paravirt_ops symbol, or whatever? don't remember ;) |
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| 16:03.18 | twobitsp1ite | is there a way to get growisofs to read iso images from stdin? I have a gzipped iso, and not enough space to unzip it, so I was thinking I could pipe gunzip to growisfs |
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| 16:06.28 | sdffdssdf | Using net-install cd, I select 'shell' and it brings me to busybox |
| 16:06.36 | sdffdssdf | but fsck = command not found |
| 16:06.47 | sdffdssdf | i need to scan my current partition for errors |
| 16:06.51 | sdffdssdf | (not booting) |
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| 16:09.49 | |dennis| | Greetings: before install begins, is there an option i can pass to the installer ,for it to not to use debian's default security.debian.org server for security updates, i want it to use my own internal one, we have over 100 machines, and going to the web to download every time is eating bandwidth.. |
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| 16:11.20 | blubberdiblub | RobNyc-work: if you're rolling your own kernel, you could try configuring it without paravirt_ops, that is of course if you don't need that functionality |
| 16:11.36 | |dennis| | i tried editing the sources.list file under the /target/etc/apt fs but looks like it loads that info before.. |
| 16:12.27 | syntaxx | how can i add ssl support in tomcat the debian way? |
| 16:13.23 | RobNyc-work | blubberdiblub: im not rolling my own :) |
| 16:13.27 | RobNyc-work | otherwise i would use gentoo |
| 16:14.16 | blubberdiblub | RobNyc-work: i mean just the kernel ;) it's quite common to build custom kernels, and it's not hard either |
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| 16:14.40 | RobNyc-work | blubberdiblub: :_p |
| 16:15.50 | helo | shit... i started copying a file onto a thumb drive that was too large for the drive... cp went defunct and i couldn't unmount anything so i just pulled the drive out... |
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| 16:16.22 | helo | when i try to mount the drive i get "kernel: journal commit I/O error" |
| 16:16.40 | binary | I have had the problem too |
| 16:16.52 | helo | am i fucked? about 6 hours of work on this drive... |
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| 16:18.04 | helo | why couldn't it just stop writing, and say "no space left on device" rather than fuck up everything on the drive? |
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| 16:19.00 | RobNyc-work | is there desktop-effects for debian? |
| 16:19.24 | ttl- | how do i make that the volume settings for PCM and master get saved and not set to 0 next time i boot or load gnome? |
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| 16:19.43 | ttl- | i'm using Debian Lenny |
| 16:19.44 | nite613_ | helo: Try mounting it as ext2 |
| 16:20.00 | nite613_ | Assuming that's the ext3 journal it can't write to... |
| 16:20.10 | ttl- | Don't have the problem on other Lenny boxes |
| 16:20.21 | nite613_ | In genera I think it's recommended not to use journaled FS's on flash media anyways |
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| 16:20.47 | cloakable | Yeah |
| 16:20.58 | cloakable | Kills it off fast |
| 16:21.19 | diafic_ | !maintainer xchat |
| 16:21.28 | dpkg | xchat: has nothing about maintainer |
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| 16:22.08 | helo | ext2 mount says: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdg1, |
| 16:22.20 | helo | my god i am so fucked... i have to have this done by 1pm |
| 16:22.25 | diafic_ | !dpkg maintainer xchat |
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| 16:22.46 | helo | is there an ext2 recover program or anything i can use that might help me get my files off of this thing? |
| 16:22.49 | dyrne | helo: livecd then fsck the partition maybe |
| 16:22.50 | nettie | Hi guys, anyone using akiba-dock here please? |
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| 16:23.15 | helo | dyrne: i try to fsck it, but it hangs on recovering journal... is livecd fsck any different? |
| 16:23.15 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a way to create GUIs in php (some toolkit)? |
| 16:23.20 | HardDisk_WP | like perl is able to |
| 16:23.26 | diafic_ | glade? |
| 16:23.31 | dyrne | helo: its not mounted when you run fsck is it? |
| 16:23.36 | diafic_ | you want php-gtk |
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| 16:23.42 | diafic_ | try #php-gtk on this server |
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| 16:23.46 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i am using sarge, apache 1.3 x. i have setup a cgi-bin directory in /foo/bar and change the setting in /etc/apache/http.conf to reflect this. when i run a simple script that .Exec format error: exec of /disk1/apache/cgi-bin/test123.cgi failedPremature end of script headers: /disk1/apache/cgi-bin/test123.cgi . is the error i get. the permission of /disk1/apache/cig-bin is set to the 755 and the files at 744. the owner of the files is |
| 16:23.46 | HardDisk_WP | w00t? |
| 16:23.46 | thelostbutler | a local user. would apprecaite some help |
| 16:23.49 | HardDisk_WP | sounds cooL! |
| 16:23.54 | diafic_ | 'tis |
| 16:23.56 | diafic_ | if a bit slow. |
| 16:24.02 | RobNyc-work | so is there desktop effects on debian like compiz and stuff? |
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| 16:24.17 | diafic_ | RobNyc-work, yes |
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| 16:24.21 | helo | dyrne: no |
| 16:24.23 | diafic_ | compiz is awzm. |
| 16:24.35 | xand | thelostbutler: did you put the print "Content-type: text/html\n\n"; line in the file? and is it unix format rather than windows? |
| 16:24.49 | HardDisk_WP | diafic_, cooooooooool, thanx a lot!! |
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| 16:26.13 | themill | thelostbutler: the file needs to be executable by the apache process which runs as user www-data (unless you are using suexec) so if the cgi files aren't owned by www-data they need to be 755 not 744. |
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| 16:29.22 | RobNyc-work | diafic_: how do i get it :) |
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| 16:29.42 | diafic_ | install drivers for your graphics card |
| 16:29.48 | thelostbutler | xand: yes it has the Content-type line |
| 16:29.49 | diafic_ | (and XGL on most ATI cards) |
| 16:29.57 | diafic_ | and then aptitude install compiz |
| 16:30.22 | thelostbutler | themill: the permissions have been changed to 755 and i still get the same error |
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| 16:30.42 | freight | Etch, eGroupWare and Gantt charts. Installed Debian's jpgraph package, installed jpgraph's jpgraph package according to the directions, and I still get a blank page when trying to build a gantt chart. Any ideas where I'm going wrong? |
| 16:30.57 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 16:31.11 | HardDisk_WP | does unstable contain php 5.2.3? |
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| 16:31.44 | titii | helo there, i set the .htaccess password by one tutorial, but the password is not passed.. any one can help? |
| 16:31.59 | titii | i am using apache2 |
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| 16:33.04 | blubberdiblub | or gvm ;) |
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| 16:33.53 | RobNyc-work | diafic_: i have drivers for nvidia already :) |
| 16:33.55 | RobNyc-work | and compiz is installed |
| 16:33.59 | RobNyc-work | but dont know where to start it |
| 16:34.18 | diafic_ | go to termnal |
| 16:34.21 | diafic_ | terminal |
| 16:34.24 | diafic_ | type "compiz" |
| 16:34.25 | diafic_ | :P |
| 16:34.37 | diafic_ | if you did it right, it will spring to life |
| 16:34.43 | diafic_ | might want compiz --replace though |
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| 16:36.32 | titii | some one can help? |
| 16:36.34 | luo | Hello. Today, I can't use my USB disk. The dmesg info is:usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 |
| 16:36.35 | luo | usb 2-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 16:36.35 | luo | scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices |
| 16:36.35 | luo | usb-storage: device found at 3 |
| 16:36.35 | luo | usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning |
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| 16:38.23 | a1abubba | help with what? |
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| 16:40.55 | en1gma | sup all |
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| 16:41.35 | en1gma | i have a problem with my nf4 motherboard and onboard sound not playing sounds correctly...im using the ck804 chipset....it sounds screachy when audio is played |
| 16:41.45 | en1gma | anyone know what i need to do to fix this |
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| 16:46.49 | nweaver916 | quick ftp log question. I'm seeing 3 connects in 1 second, followed (the next second) by 3 login OK's. Is that some sort of "download" utility or client trying to speed up downloads by using multiple connections? |
| 16:46.52 | mue | shalom! |
| 16:46.56 | titii | .htaccess file isnt executed... some help? thank you |
| 16:47.28 | mue | how can i avoid that master and pcm are muted after systemstart? |
| 16:47.31 | stew | titii: you probably have to "AllowOverride" for whatever types of things you are trying to override in .htaccess |
| 16:48.19 | titii | stew i set it in the /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 16:48.27 | hark | mue: install alsa-utils |
| 16:48.34 | stew | titii: you set what? |
| 16:48.40 | titii | stew for <Directory /> |
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| 16:48.56 | titii | AllowOverride AuthConfig |
| 16:49.32 | stew | titii: and what are you trying to do in htaccess? |
| 16:49.43 | stew | titii: and is this a virtual host? |
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| 16:50.33 | titii | stew isnt viartual... in .htaccess i have AuthType Basic, AuthName "Pozaduje sa meno a heslo", AuthUserFile /home/secure/apasswds, Require user myuser |
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| 16:51.17 | titii | stew but without any directory... it should work without? |
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| 16:51.42 | titii | stew i mean like <Directory /> |
| 16:51.53 | stew | titii: no, you should set it for a particular directory |
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| 16:52.26 | Pete_B | 'man winbindd' says " A symbolic link needs to be made from /lib/libnss_winbind.so to /lib/libnss_winbind.so.2.". Do you think this is right, in order to login to a Windows domain? |
| 16:52.26 | titii | stew that mean <Directory /> is wrong? |
| 16:52.43 | stew | titii: no |
| 16:52.58 | titii | stew so the .httaccess file is located in root of web |
| 16:53.30 | titii | stew i would like to use for all my webs, its my own server |
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| 16:53.48 | titii | for entire web root |
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| 16:54.17 | stew | titii: what do you mean by "all my webs"? |
| 16:54.51 | titii | stew for the web root, for all web pages on the server |
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| 16:55.29 | stew | titii: did you disable the virtual host that debian ships enabled by default? |
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| 16:55.59 | stew | titii: and did you check the error log? |
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| 16:56.16 | titii | stew no thats true there is some virtual host, can remove it? |
| 16:56.29 | titii | stew i did, but nothnig found |
| 16:56.30 | mue | hark: aptitude wants to install alsa-base and linux-sound-base i have alsa in the kernel, can i avoid this? |
| 16:56.32 | stew | titii: yes with "a2dissite sitename" |
| 16:56.53 | titii | stew what is a2..? |
| 16:57.03 | titii | i simply delete the default |
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| 16:57.17 | stew | titii: a2 stands for apache2 |
| 16:57.27 | lex | WHats "mexico's" channel for debian? |
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| 16:57.38 | lex | Or which bot should I ask |
| 16:57.42 | stew | !es |
| 16:57.42 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:57.46 | lex | Ah |
| 16:57.48 | lex | there |
| 16:58.04 | titii | stew i dont undertand, i can remove the default file from site-enabled |
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| 16:58.48 | stew | titii: "a2dissite sitename" is a command which will remove the file from sites-enabled |
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| 16:59.58 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 17:00.10 | titii | stew so how to use a2dissite? now i am going on my site just trough IP |
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| 17:00.50 | stew | titii: "a2dissite sitename" i believe the site debian ships is "default" so "a2dissite default" |
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| 17:03.33 | titii | stew i did it, but now doesnt work whole web server on the IP, page cannot be found... what nowM? |
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| 17:03.53 | MrWup | anyone know where i can download some sample malicious code to send to myself by email to test out my clamAV filtering? |
| 17:04.26 | stew | MrWup: eicar.com |
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| 17:04.58 | stew | MrWup: http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm |
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| 17:05.43 | stew | titii: well i think you should not be editing apache.conf but should be creating a new site file in sites-available, and defining a virtual host in there, and putting the Directory entry with the AllowOverride |
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| 17:07.28 | titii | stew ok and can i type insted of url the IP? |
| 17:08.21 | stew | titii: i don't understand what you are asking |
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| 17:08.39 | titii | stew i goind on my server trough IP, not URL |
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| 17:09.28 | titii | stew other one, i would like to use the default too, because the password should be then for all virtual hosts. how to do that? |
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| 17:11.21 | stew | titii: i don't understand |
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| 17:12.18 | titii | stew och |
| 17:13.08 | titii | stew, ok now i have no one virtual host, and the domain, i jst run my server trough the IP to the address bar, you understarnd? |
| 17:13.25 | titii | stew, no domain, nothing, just IP |
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| 17:14.59 | zmeiat_joro | which kernel do i need? |
| 17:15.07 | chops | zmeiat_joro: The right one |
| 17:15.23 | titii | stew now, the server isnt working for the deleting the default.. now.... i would like to getting it works, but with the .htaccess password, and later when i will have the doman a new virtual host, i would like to use this default setting with .htaccess password for ALL the web sites, all the web root, all the virtual hosts, can i do that? |
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| 17:15.47 | zmeiat_joro | 2.6-486/ 2.6-686/ 2.6.18-4-486/2.6.18-4-686 |
| 17:16.28 | chops | zmeiat_joro: If you've got a modern CPU, I would recommend 2.6-686, which will probably install 2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 17:16.59 | TrueDD | bye |
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| 17:17.32 | Azar | good morning honorables! |
| 17:17.40 | chops | titii: "default" does not contain default settings for other virtual hosts. "default" is a virtual host which the Debian installation of apache comes with, by default. |
| 17:17.45 | zmeiat_joro | chops: it's realtively modern |
| 17:18.01 | tarzeau | Azar: hi |
| 17:18.01 | Azar | One more reason to hesitate upgrading to Etch: xmms removal proposal. Xmms is the only player I enjoy using |
| 17:18.08 | Azar | mister tarzeau!! |
| 17:18.13 | tarzeau | Azar: ever tried opencubicplayer ? |
| 17:18.35 | Azar | tarzeau: no, the only music format I use is s3m, mod, xm.... |
| 17:18.43 | zmeiat_joro | i'm more interestid in the 2.6/2.6.18-4 divide |
| 17:18.44 | tarzeau | Azar: it can play it all! |
| 17:18.51 | chops | Azar: I like xmms too, but it looks woefully unmaintained... |
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| 17:19.13 | chops | zmeiat_joro: They're basically equivalent. "2.6" means "the appropriate 2.6 version," which will probably be 2.6.18-4 for you. |
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| 17:19.40 | Azar | tarzeau, I will try it... but xmms seems so easy to use... |
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| 17:19.53 | richd | so i'm having troubles writing to NTFS with etch. I have ntfs utils, i can read ntfs, and i dunno what else to get\use. any help? |
| 17:19.53 | stew | titii: i don't think so, but i'm not sure. its probably a question for #apache |
| 17:20.19 | tarzeau | Azar: xmms with keyboard control? |
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| 17:20.31 | Azar | tarzeau: eventually I will not have a choice but move and adapt to new software |
| 17:20.44 | Azar | tarzeau: no... just the regular one in X |
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| 17:21.02 | chops | titii: You can have a config snippet which you include into all your virtual hosts via an include directive, with .htaccess and whatnot configuration. |
| 17:21.04 | fungo | what's the correct "i can see it" or "i can to see it"? |
| 17:21.36 | chops | fungo: "I can see it" |
| 17:21.56 | fungo | thanks very much |
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| 17:22.37 | titii | chops i have a simple question, how to use the .htaccess password for all the web root? |
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| 17:23.43 | zmeiat_joro | I have next to me my first PC, with a 8088 and and 8087, 640kB RAM and a 32MB harddrive. It's been in the basement for 10 years. I've been wondering if I could run anythign but DOS on it. there was this project to port linux to old pcs. also, otehr suggestions? |
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| 17:24.24 | stew | zmeiat_joro: linux was never able to run on anything before a 386 becuase 386 is when protected memory was added |
| 17:24.39 | zmeiat_joro | yeah, I know |
| 17:25.18 | richd | any got help for me about writing to NTFS? |
| 17:25.18 | zmeiat_joro | do you think it makes sense to try and run anything but DOS on it/ |
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| 17:25.27 | chops | zmeiat_joro: There's always freedos |
| 17:25.33 | richd | zmeiat_joro: why run anything at all on it? |
| 17:25.39 | Azar | tarzeau: well I guess xmms's graphical interface looks nicer.... but hey, if it plays my music who cares about the looks |
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| 17:25.46 | richd | zmeiat_joro: go buy a 486 for 5 buicks somewhere |
| 17:26.00 | richd | zmeiat_joro: and put linux on it |
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| 17:26.06 | tarzeau | Azar: you sure didn't see the gui look of ocp - have you? |
| 17:26.07 | Azar | it is too bad debian drops such a nice player.... |
| 17:26.11 | nweaver916 | hell, most places will sell you a P3 for 5 bucks nowdays |
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| 17:26.21 | chops | titii: Something like http://paste.debian.net/33261 (see the apache docs for more) |
| 17:26.26 | tarzeau | Azar: http://gnu.ethz.ch/ocp1.png |
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| 17:26.38 | zmeiat_joro | I don't _need_ it for anything, this is just for fun |
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| 17:26.46 | Azar | tarzeau: went to the home website for cubicplayer and the screenshots are not so appealing |
| 17:26.53 | blubberdiblub | zmeiat_joro, stew: afaik, there was some project to port linux to non-MMU architectures ... wasn't it called ulinux or something? |
| 17:27.02 | tarzeau | Azar: yes they don't show the graphic mode, check my url |
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| 17:27.34 | blubberdiblub | zmeiat_joro, stew: no, it was uclinux |
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| 17:28.07 | Azar | tarzeau: not to appealing, but as I said..... I could just listen without watching it |
| 17:28.42 | sandman | Anyone seeing a problem with debian.uchicago.edu? |
| 17:29.00 | richd | Azar: what are you trying to watch? (not name, but file type plz) ((maybe i cna help...)) |
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| 17:29.10 | richd | or stream name or w/e |
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| 17:29.42 | richd | for watching I have always used Kaffeine. |
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| 17:30.23 | Azar | tarzeau: comparing with : http://www.xmms.org/about.php |
| 17:30.38 | Azar | richd: I never "watch" stuff on my PC |
| 17:30.56 | tarzeau | Azar: i know xmms pretty well, and i don't like it :) |
| 17:30.59 | Azar | I got a DVD/VCR recorder and I use them |
| 17:31.16 | titii | chops i got an error <Files> cannot occur within <Location> section |
| 17:32.00 | Azar | tarzeau: it would be nice if I could keep my old xmms on Etch.... guys not everyone wants to use new applications with every new Debian version coming up |
| 17:32.15 | tarzeau | Azar: well, build your own xmms? |
| 17:32.29 | Azar | tarzeau: it should not be needed |
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| 17:32.48 | Azar | otherwise I would have built all software I want from the beginning to start with |
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| 17:33.04 | chops | Azar: Probably the problem is that xmms is not maintained upstream. The last I looked it was still using gtk 1.2, for example... which hasn't been touched in many years |
| 17:33.44 | Azar | chops: even so... I would hope to keep the software that "just worked" in the past versions... but it seems it is not possible |
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| 17:34.28 | chops | Azar: Well, but software that used to "just work" doesn't continue to do so as the rest of the system develops. If it did backports would always be trivial (and you could maintain a local xmms backport with no effort indefinitely). |
| 17:34.41 | chops | Azar: I should point out that I actually have no idea why xmms is planned for eviction; I |
| 17:34.49 | chops | 'm just theorizing based on my past experience with xmms. |
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| 17:35.26 | Azar | people jump for video support that's the reason, I do not need or want any video gadget, just a small, simple audio player that "just works" |
| 17:36.02 | Azar | chops: because pricks whine for players that include vide capabilities... xmms does not offer |
| 17:36.20 | Azar | then hey , let's kick xmms and offer a audio+video player, is leeter |
| 17:36.43 | chops | Azar: You could volunteer to maintain xmms going forward |
| 17:36.44 | greedo | when building a multiple binary package, is there a way to specify a version per package ? |
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| 17:36.55 | Azar | five years from now they will want audio+video+telephony or god knows what else.. |
| 17:36.55 | solar345 | hi all |
| 17:36.56 | solar345 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.56 | solar345 | Errors were encountered while processing: |
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| 17:37.12 | greedo | or will all the binary packages built from the source package have the same version ? |
| 17:37.18 | hark | you can use the xmms forks too |
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| 17:37.38 | hark | !dbugs 433357 |
| 17:37.41 | dpkg | DONE:#433357:[ncurses-bin] ncurses-bin: breaks the whole system when usplash is installed; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:30:02 UTC |
| 17:37.49 | hark | !dbugs 433337 |
| 17:37.52 | dpkg | DONE:#433337:S[lib32z1] libc6-i386 conflicts with lib32z1; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:12:11 UTC |
| 17:38.09 | Azar | hark: so xmms has pooped on GNU, GPL ? that might be the reason for having forks? |
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| 17:39.02 | titii | chops can you help? |
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| 17:41.33 | zmeiat_joro | Azar: I'm not sure exactly why I use only VLC, but it's not because it's leeter |
| 17:41.53 | Azar | ok here is the interesting exchange: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/07/msg00026.html |
| 17:41.58 | Azar | and here is the xmms answer: |
| 17:41.59 | hark | Azar: bmpx or audacious |
| 17:42.01 | Azar | http://www.xmms.org/ |
| 17:42.07 | zmeiat_joro | I user foobar on windows, and I've found nothing as good as it for linux |
| 17:42.15 | chops | titii: Sorry, I copied that example from a config file of mine that used <Directory>. Does it work if you just remove the <Files> lines? |
| 17:42.31 | Azar | Hello José Miguel Parrella Romero. You're a gentoo developer. *hugs and kisses* |
| 17:42.31 | zmeiat_joro | I even used foobar inder wine for a while |
| 17:42.34 | StucKman | I know there's a specific channel about xen, but I couldn't get my answer there. so, I have xen with nat'ed domUs. in this mode the scripts create one virt iface in the dom0 per creat'ed (running) domU. this iface has its own ip, and should act as the default gw for the domU. all I would like to have is a way to tell the domU its default gw. anyone has any hint? |
| 17:43.35 | titii | chops ok now it works, i remove files, i putting that settings into Directory |
| 17:43.36 | freight | quick question... if I have 'Sid', and I need to install a series of packages from Experimental ( all dependencies are fine, I checked ), how would I go about doing it? I added the 'experimental' line in sources.list and did 'apt-get install -st experimental egroupware' but I got a bunch of 'inst' lines and 'conf' lines, but no package install. |
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| 17:44.27 | Azar | ahhhhh...... popcon |
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| 17:45.00 | Azar | sad I am not able to participate on popcon... making me a clear example of a voiceless user |
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| 17:45.37 | solar678 | can someone help me with this issue |
| 17:45.39 | solar678 | when i do apt -f install |
| 17:45.41 | solar678 | when i do apt-get -f install |
| 17:45.43 | solar678 | i get |
| 17:45.45 | solar678 | trying to overwrite `/usr/lib32', which is also in package lib32z1 |
| 17:45.47 | solar678 | and error |
| 17:45.48 | hark | freight: 's' is simulate |
| 17:46.04 | freight | nm, I'd read the man page incorrectly. the '-s' is for a 'simulate'.. -t is for a target distribution. DUH. |
| 17:46.15 | StucKman | solar678: remove lib32z1 |
| 17:46.26 | abrotman | !tell solar678 about overwrite |
| 17:46.27 | freight | hark: Heh, yeah, just found that. :) |
| 17:46.30 | abrotman | !tell solar678 about sid faq |
| 17:46.47 | hark | i thought this bug was fixed now |
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| 17:48.04 | solar678 | StucKman: i cnt remove |
| 17:48.07 | solar678 | apt wont run |
| 17:48.18 | solar678 | abrotman: i cant run that comman either |
| 17:48.24 | solar678 | i am on lenny |
| 17:48.31 | doudou | How can i read video fom iceweasel, all that i read does not work deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ etch main says no pubkey |
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| 17:48.53 | doudou | !mplayer |
| 17:48.53 | dpkg | hmm... mplayer is in Debian beginning with Etch. See README.Debian in the Debian package for details. You may want to use a player based on xine-lib or vlc instead. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
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| 17:49.16 | hark | solar678: what does "apt-cache policy lib32z1" say for candidate: |
| 17:49.20 | solar678 | http://rafb.net/p/v5W1f136.html |
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| 17:49.57 | solar678 | hark : do you wantthe entier nopaste of that , or something specifi |
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| 17:50.51 | abrotman | solar678: yes you can |
| 17:51.05 | fungo | why use a player based on xine-lib or vlc instead? |
| 17:51.12 | fungo | i know mplayer suck for dvd, but it's fine |
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| 17:51.48 | doudou | i have vlc for dvd is fine, how to configure iceaweasel so it can play all videos on the net? |
| 17:51.55 | doudou | with vlc? |
| 17:52.48 | spheard | I have a very odd problem. I'm staying with my girlfriend who has a talk talk connection. I cant connect to my server thru this connection. I can connect thru a proxy and everyone else can connect but no cigar for me |
| 17:52.49 | doudou | fungo, i prefer vlc, never had problems with it, but where can i find how to configure that |
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| 17:53.17 | solar678 | abrotman: couldnt |
| 17:53.20 | solar678 | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/doN4Po92.html |
| 17:53.22 | Azar | tarzeau: I am totally with what this guys say about this issue: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/07/msg00317.html |
| 17:53.27 | solar678 | tahts what i got when i tried to |
| 17:53.27 | fungo | the only reason i use mplayer is the flexibility to use it even in console (with svgalib) and the praticity of the command line |
| 17:53.30 | ramiro | A ext3 problem: On a fsck : I see this message all the time: |
| 17:53.31 | ramiro | Inode 99260 ref count is 2, should be 1. Fix? yes |
| 17:53.36 | fungo | also, i don't like wxwidgets, it's too heavy |
| 17:53.38 | hark | doudou: install mozilla-plugin-vlc then |
| 17:53.40 | ramiro | any suggestion ? |
| 17:53.51 | doudou | hark thanks |
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| 17:53.57 | tarzeau | Azar: i so don't care about gtk software |
| 17:54.04 | tarzeau | Azar: nor qt, nor kde, nor gnome |
| 17:54.08 | solar678 | hark http://rafb.net/p/bvJ05e11.html |
| 17:54.31 | abrotman | solar678: apt-get -f install says waht ? |
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| 17:55.40 | doudou | hark, is adds-on and plug-in same thing ? |
| 17:55.51 | Azar | oh wells |
| 17:56.16 | karsten | hark: Yes. Mozilla keeps changing the terminology. Plug-ins are now Add-ons. |
| 17:56.25 | hark | doudou: no, i think addons are what they call extensions nowadays :) |
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| 17:58.02 | solar123 | got dc |
| 17:58.04 | solar123 | any solutions |
| 17:58.13 | chops | Azar: Did you try xmms2? |
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| 17:58.20 | karsten | erm. Plug-ins -> Extension -> Add-ons |
| 17:58.47 | karsten | hark: Eventually, someone will tell Firefox "math is hard" and they'll become "other stuff" |
| 17:59.33 | dkr | "I propose we leave math to the machines and go play outside." -- Calvin |
| 18:00.44 | hark | solar678: yeah, so 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-5 is the one which is the bug fix |
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| 18:01.02 | xbaez | hi how are you ! are you ready to simpson movie ? |
| 18:01.18 | xand | huh |
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| 18:01.30 | karsten | xand: doh! |
| 18:01.32 | dkr | xbaez: are you not a bot? |
| 18:02.06 | xbaez | hehe i don't know maybe :) |
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| 18:02.54 | blubberdiblub | have a turing test ;P |
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| 18:03.55 | dkr | print "haha, I am not a bot" if $message =~ /${myname}:.*bot/ |
| 18:04.42 | holycow | *hmm* |
| 18:04.49 | holycow | what is the difference between lpr and cups? |
| 18:05.02 | holycow | lpr is the old way of print subsystem, cups is the new one? |
| 18:05.05 | xingu | one is a hideously complex system designed to lose print jobs |
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| 18:05.08 | dkr | lpr is old school, yes |
| 18:05.09 | xand | holycow: more or less |
| 18:05.21 | dkr | cups supplies it's own version of lpr for backwards compat |
| 18:05.32 | holycow | xand, rofl, which one the hideously complex one, cups? |
| 18:05.36 | holycow | dkr, aha *nod* |
| 18:05.54 | abrotman | solar678: apt-get -f install says waht ? |
| 18:05.57 | xingu | holycow: the other is much the same, only newer |
| 18:06.03 | holycow | ha! |
| 18:06.03 | xand | holycow: that was xingu |
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| 18:06.06 | holycow | thats funny |
| 18:06.16 | solar123 | abrotman: got it working now thanks :) |
| 18:06.17 | xand | but cups has a useful web interface :) |
| 18:06.18 | holycow | oh right *nod* |
| 18:06.19 | dkr | yeah, cups design is a bit poor, but noone ever volutneered to mak ebtter printing system, and now apple bought the source code, :) |
| 18:06.21 | abrotman | ok |
| 18:06.33 | holycow | yeah that should be interesting |
| 18:06.36 | Kjikaqawej | !lpr |
| 18:06.41 | holycow | i see a fork in the road |
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| 18:06.49 | dkr | I've actually submitted patches to cups myself to fix bugs, i wonder if that means apple owns my patch now, :) |
| 18:06.52 | Kjikaqawej | pick it up |
| 18:06.57 | solar123 | abrotman: apt-get -f install was saying http://rafb.net/p/v5W1f136.html |
| 18:07.04 | doudou | hark, i did aptitude install mozilla-plugin-vlc, and now i have about:plugins in iceweasel tell me all is ok for video, but when i go to google video or yahoo video, they ask me adobe flash player, i dont want adobe, where are there video i can see? |
| 18:07.08 | abrotman | okay |
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| 18:07.09 | xingu | dkr: knowing appl, they've restored the bugs. |
| 18:07.15 | dkr | heh |
| 18:07.22 | holycow | dkr, i think cups wants copyright assigned to the publisher thus i think that is why he was able to sell |
| 18:07.47 | alanhaggai | Hi, how can I share bandwidth in Linux across a network? |
| 18:07.48 | xingu | nice work if you can get it |
| 18:08.18 | holycow | xingu, rofl @ apple comment |
| 18:08.39 | sparrw | Is there any text editor that will open new documents in an existing copy of the program if one exists *on the current desktop*, otherwise start a new instance? |
| 18:08.46 | holycow | for all they manage to do in terms of impressing the consumer they sure as heck suck in other ways |
| 18:08.49 | dkr | doudou: blame google and yahoo for that, they have wrapped their videos in the proprietary flash format to make downloading the videos a bit harder, I suspect. there is a firefox plugni for downloading them anyway, though. otherwise you need to install flash plugin |
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| 18:10.10 | abrotman | dkr: there are numerous scripts |
| 18:10.19 | hark | doudou: yeah, wait for silverlight. all will be good then |
| 18:10.28 | abrotman | hark: oh yeah .. so much better ... |
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| 18:10.37 | xingu | alanhaggai: as near as I can work out, you might be talking about traffic shaping; but you'd probably better flesh out your requirement a little. |
| 18:10.50 | helo | what is the 127.0.1.1 entry in /etc/hosts for? should i modify it if i change my hostname? |
| 18:10.54 | abrotman | xingu: sounds more like a router |
| 18:11.15 | xingu | abrotman: I was thinking switch. :) |
| 18:11.37 | doudou | dkr, oh thanks, where are name of non proprietary video standard? ogg? where can i found some test video? |
| 18:11.45 | peter_ | How can I check if port 16168 is open ? |
| 18:11.56 | xand | netstat |
| 18:11.57 | helo | peter_: telnet host 16168 |
| 18:12.02 | xand | or telnet to it |
| 18:12.07 | AKX | How do I change the framebuffer console resolution? |
| 18:12.14 | AKX | (And/or font.) |
| 18:12.17 | chops | helo: No, you should not |
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| 18:12.25 | doudou | dkr, is there some open video site, org? |
| 18:12.35 | dkr | sparrw: never heard of that, but sounds like a nifty feature to add, might be able to do it with a wrapper. make some x calls to see if any editor windows on current screen and send remote open command to the process fi you find one |
| 18:12.37 | abrotman | theora |
| 18:12.41 | xand | helo: that line's to make your hostname resolve to something if you're using a dynamic IP |
| 18:12.46 | chops | helo: 127.0.0.1 always connects back to your machine from your machine, as does the 'localhost' host name. You shouldn't modify either of those. |
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| 18:12.53 | peter_ | helo, telnet: could not resolve host/16168: Name or service not known - it means it isnt open ? |
| 18:12.55 | xand | chops: that's not the same. |
| 18:13.06 | dkr | doudou: http://fredrik.hubbe.net/plugger/test.html |
| 18:13.07 | chops | xand: What do you mean by that? |
| 18:13.09 | xand | helo: if you have a static IP then you can change it to that |
| 18:13.21 | xand | chops: 127.0.1.1 is in addition to the localhost/127.0.0.1 line |
| 18:13.26 | xingu | AKX: fbset ? |
| 18:13.35 | AKX | Thanks.. Will try :) |
| 18:13.39 | abrotman | peter_: telnet IP port# |
| 18:13.39 | xand | hmm |
| 18:13.41 | sparrw | dkr: yeah, thats on my to-do list |
| 18:13.45 | AKX | Uhm.. xingu, not found. |
| 18:13.49 | xand | abrotman: is MangosDebian new? c.c |
| 18:13.53 | peter_ | abrotman, ah, I understand now ;) |
| 18:13.58 | xingu | AKX: so install it... |
| 18:14.00 | xand | abrotman: he's giving you a run for your money |
| 18:14.10 | chops | xand: I don't automatically see from helo's question that that's what he meant. I took it the other way, though it is ambiguous. helo, which line were you asking about? |
| 18:14.21 | xand | chops: it's 1.1 not 0.1 :) |
| 18:14.28 | chops | xand: ! |
| 18:14.29 | helo | peter_: replace "host" with the computer you want to test port 16168 on... try "localhost" for the one you are using |
| 18:14.40 | abrotman | xand: relatively i suppose .. unless it is a new nick for an old person |
| 18:14.49 | xand | abrotman: you're meant to know ;p |
| 18:14.50 | chops | xand: Okay, I've never seen that. Obviously I'm spouting nonsense. Right then. Carry on. |
| 18:15.02 | chops | xand: :-) |
| 18:15.06 | abrotman | xand: run for money? |
| 18:15.16 | hark | debstats :) |
| 18:15.21 | xand | yeah, the stats |
| 18:15.23 | abrotman | xand: oh .. don't care .. as long as he's helpful |
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| 18:16.43 | doudou | dkr, thanks, mpeg2 works. i wont blame them they do want they want, but where do i go if i want only open standards (name is hugo? ogg?) is there an org that propose samples? |
| 18:16.57 | xingu | *udp* port 16168 is used by xblast |
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| 18:17.22 | xingu | and obviously, a telnet to that is going to fail miserably as a detection tool. |
| 18:17.27 | abrotman | xand: diskless workstations .. well documented |
| 18:17.30 | xingu | xand: iscsi? :) |
| 18:17.43 | abrotman | xand: tftp/pxe .. /home/ on nfs |
| 18:18.21 | dkr | doudou: ogg is on the testing site I linked, it is a music format though, theora is the video standard from the same folks, I believe |
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| 18:20.31 | abrotman | !info lessdisks etch |
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| 18:26.01 | doudou | dkr, i am unable to find any theora streaming |
| 18:26.54 | dkr | I was confused actually: "In the Ogg multimedia framework, Theora provides a video layer, while Vorbis usually acts as the audio layer (Speex and FLAC can also act as audio layers)." |
| 18:27.14 | dkr | so .ogg is the container format for the video, as well |
| 18:28.35 | dkr | "The combination of the Ogg container format, Theora video and Vorbis audio allows for a completely open, royalty-free multimedia format." and "The following streaming media servers are capable of streaming Theora video: * VLC * Icecast * FreeCast," |
| 18:28.42 | dkr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theora |
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| 18:29.32 | xingu | helo: spec says *all* of 127/8 is supposed to loop back per rfc3330; if someone's getting clever and adding local hostnames to 127.0.1.1 that smacks like a site-local decision |
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| 18:29.58 | xingu | helo: it's a useful hack (I've used it in the past myself) but whoever did it ought to know why they did. |
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| 18:30.57 | xingu | helo: I've used it to make sure that externally-visible names have meaning within the context of a bastion host |
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| 18:31.00 | TiMiDo | hey im getting this error while doing apt-get dist-upgrade or apt-get -f install dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of gnome-power-manager: |
| 18:31.03 | TiMiDo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.04 | TiMiDo | how do i fixed that? |
| 18:31.08 | TiMiDo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.44 | TiMiDo | any ideaS? |
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| 18:32.25 | silas | Hi all. |
| 18:32.43 | silas | Have anybody installed and ran postgresql in Debian Sarge? |
| 18:32.46 | silas | from apt-get? |
| 18:32.47 | xingu | helo: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html 10.4 points a bony finger at a GNOME requirement (for `hostname` to resolve) |
| 18:33.26 | xingu | TiMiDo: what does apt-cache policy gnome-power-manager say? |
| 18:34.02 | xand | silas: no, no-one at all :) |
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| 18:34.23 | TiMiDo | gnome-power-manager: |
| 18:34.23 | TiMiDo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.23 | TiMiDo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.24 | TiMiDo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.24 | TiMiDo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:34.50 | TiMiDo | that came up |
| 18:34.53 | xingu | timido: sid breaks from time to time and when it does you get to keep both halves. |
| 18:34.57 | TiMiDo | xingu: |
| 18:35.03 | xand | don't paste |
| 18:35.07 | TiMiDo | alright |
| 18:35.13 | TiMiDo | im using etch |
| 18:35.15 | TiMiDo | btw |
| 18:35.23 | xingu | not with that version of gnome-power-manager you're not |
| 18:35.35 | TiMiDo | xingu: how can i fixed this issued? |
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| 18:35.58 | TiMiDo | on my source.list i have etch |
| 18:36.16 | xingu | etch's gnome-power-manager is v2.14.3-3+b1 |
| 18:36.26 | xingu | you have a bobbitt. |
| 18:36.31 | doudou | dkr, i am unable to find any theora file, xvid is free too? |
| 18:36.48 | TiMiDo | xingu: is there any way i can clean up this messed? |
| 18:38.05 | xingu | TiMiDo: depends, you can start by telling us how sid packages got onto your etch system |
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| 18:38.15 | TiMiDo | xingu: my friend was installing it. |
| 18:38.17 | TiMiDo | he just told em |
| 18:38.27 | TiMiDo | *me |
| 18:38.31 | xingu | TiMiDo: then I think your friend gets to keep both halves |
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| 18:38.42 | TiMiDo | alright |
| 18:38.46 | \amethyst | TiMiDo: what if you do apt-get install hal ? |
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| 18:39.19 | TiMiDo | i did tasksel let's see if that can fixed the problem which i really doubt but let's give it a try |
| 18:39.35 | xingu | \amethyst: keep in mind he's come out the tail end of apt-get dist-upgrade /before/ getting that error |
| 18:39.44 | fungo | ptrdiff_t doesn't exist on gnu libc? |
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| 18:40.16 | doudou | dkr, i found a icecast radio |
| 18:40.27 | abrotman | TiMiDo: show us the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:40.28 | abrotman | !paste |
| 18:40.29 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 18:40.44 | \amethyst | fungo: it should |
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| 18:41.30 | fungo | 5-6.c:67: error: ‘ptrdiff_t’ undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 18:41.46 | abrotman | fungo: what are you compiling? |
| 18:42.03 | fungo | a exercise from k&r |
| 18:42.18 | \amethyst | fungo: #include <stddef.h> |
| 18:42.48 | fungo | worked :D:D:D |
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| 18:44.14 | doudou | dkr, anyway many examples need also adobe flash player, thanks |
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| 18:44.24 | piztek | what wm's are popular in debian? |
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| 18:44.39 | stew | piztek: /msg dpkg popcon |
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| 18:45.04 | piztek | popcon? |
| 18:45.31 | stew | !tell piztek about popcon |
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| 18:49.26 | |dennis| | Greetings: before install begins, is there an option i can pass to the installer ,for it to not to use debian's default security.debian.org server for security updates, i want it to use my own internal one, we have over 100 machines, and going to the web to download every time is eating bandwidth......i tried editing the sources.list file under the /target/etc/apt fs but looks like it loads that info before.. |
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| 18:49.44 | xingu | hmm, if my take on this is right, nvidia powermizer scaling is impefectly handled by their linux blob |
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| 18:51.05 | abrotman | |dennis|: did you check the install guide ? |
| 18:51.24 | |dennis| | abrotman: am looking at it right now actually.... |
| 18:51.39 | zmeiat_joro | is there a quick and dirty wayto convert all my mp3-s to ogg-s? |
| 18:52.02 | abrotman | convert ? |
| 18:52.09 | abrotman | lame ? |
| 18:52.13 | abrotman | erm .. oggenc .. duh |
| 18:52.22 | ricky | And oggenc :) |
| 18:52.38 | abrotman | but going from one lossy to another .. results aren't going to be great |
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| 18:53.06 | zmeiat_joro | would it increase the file size if I convert them to flac-s? |
| 18:53.14 | \amethyst | yes |
| 18:53.15 | zmeiat_joro | i mean, by oerders of magnitude? |
| 18:53.31 | |dennis| | abrotman: is preseeding the only way to do it? |
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| 18:53.58 | dkr | well, if you go from lossy to lossless haven't you already lost the lost bits, so lossless has less to lose? ;) |
| 18:54.16 | \amethyst | dkr: because ogg loses different bits from mp3 |
| 18:54.32 | dkr | i was talking about his mpf to flac-s question |
| 18:54.35 | zmeiat_joro | I haeva bout twoce as much free space as my mp3 library |
| 18:54.37 | dkr | not mp3 to ogg |
| 18:54.49 | \amethyst | zmeiat_joro: FLAC is usualy around 900 kbit/s, so it'll be bigger than that |
| 18:54.55 | abrotman | |dennis|: dunno .. i've never done it |
| 18:55.11 | abrotman | |dennis|: alternately .. ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:55.42 | |dennis| | abrotman: thanks..will do |
| 18:55.56 | \amethyst | zmeiat_joro: btw there's a package called "mp32ogg" |
| 18:57.19 | zmeiat_joro | nice |
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| 18:57.38 | zmeiat_joro | but i guess the lesson is don't store music that is important to you in a lossy format? |
| 18:57.45 | Shadur | Way to get the worst of both worlds. |
| 18:57.51 | zmeiat_joro | not that I haven't been taking steps to remedy that |
| 18:58.03 | abrotman | zmeiat_joro: sure .. but lossless formats take up a lot of space |
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| 18:58.25 | zmeiat_joro | I recently deleted 2/3 of the music on my hdd |
| 18:58.46 | zmeiat_joro | mostly the stuff that the riaa radar told me sucks |
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| 19:00.59 | zmeiat_joro | hat do i need to modify if I change the swap partition's UUID |
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| 19:03.24 | Kjikaqawej | obviously you'd need to change /etc/fstab if you're using that uuid to activate the swap |
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| 19:04.37 | brandon_ | does anyone know how to set the login manager to just an x login manager |
| 19:04.41 | brandon_ | i remember doing it before |
| 19:05.11 | xand | change it from gdm to xdm? |
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| 19:06.28 | Kjikaqawej | xand: really? wow i didn't know it was so simple!</facetious> :P ;) ;p |
| 19:06.43 | xand | it is |
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| 19:08.32 | Kjikaqawej | another one i get sometimes is "how did you get to know so much?" reply: "i don't" "reading, research" "i know you know things i don't" |
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| 19:13.50 | abrotman | Kjikaqawej: i'm going with the first answer! |
| 19:14.06 | dkr | Kjikaqawej: "curiosity" |
| 19:14.31 | Kjikaqawej | that's another good one |
| 19:14.42 | zinx | erh, anyone know where linux-kbuild-2.6.22 for 2.6.22-1-amd64 for amd64 is stashed? or what's holding it up? :/ |
| 19:14.46 | Kjikaqawej | abrotman: silly abrotman kicks are for trids ;p |
| 19:15.22 | abrotman | okay then |
| 19:15.23 | Kjikaqawej | why do you even use that? i haven't figured out the use of those packages |
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| 19:15.40 | abrotman | they're useful for the m-a stuff |
| 19:15.50 | zinx | the linux-headers-2.6.22-1-amd64 package depends on it, and m-a depends on that |
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| 19:15.57 | Kjikaqawej | i've run m-a without those fine o_O |
| 19:16.07 | Kjikaqawej | eew |
| 19:16.07 | zinx | m-a will automatically install what it needs. |
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| 19:16.39 | sohmestra | m-a? |
| 19:16.48 | Kjikaqawej | module-assistant |
| 19:16.53 | sohmestra | ah. |
| 19:16.59 | zinx | alternatively, you could supply me with pre-packaged mac80211 modules (source compatible with m-a is fine) :P |
| 19:17.00 | Kjikaqawej | dpkg -l '*kbuild*' | grep '^.i' |
| 19:17.00 | dpkg | No packages found matching '*kbuild*' | grep '^.i' |
| 19:17.08 | Kjikaqawej | [1] 16803 done dpkg -l '*kbuild*' | |
| 19:17.11 | Kjikaqawej | nada |
| 19:17.16 | brandon_ | how do you edit mouse settings with other wm's? |
| 19:17.22 | abrotman | !find kbuild lenny |
| 19:17.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'kbuild' (6 of 21): (/usr/share/doc-base/kbuild) in devel/kbuild ;; (/usr/bin/dpkg-checkbuilddeps) in utils/dpkg-dev ;; (/usr/share/menu/vdkbuilder2) in devel/vdkbuilder2 ;; (/usr/share/reportbug/checkbuildd.py) in utils/reportbug ;; (/usr/lib/libkdeinit_kbuildsycoca.la) in libdevel/kdelibs4-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/dahb-html/html/dpkg-checkbuilddeps.html) in non-free/doc/dahb-html. |
| 19:17.49 | zinx | i'm using sid, fwiw. and yeah, i deal with breakages, and i'll deal w/ this one too :) |
| 19:17.54 | nevaways2k | !find kernel |
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| 19:18.01 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'kernel' (7 of 26): (/usr/bin/hfkernel) in hamradio/hf ;; (/usr/bin/kerneltop) in devel/kerneltop ;; (/usr/bin/pgmkernel) in graphics/netpbm ;; (/usr/bin/tablix2_kernel) in misc/tablix2 ;; (/sbin/installkernel) in utils/debianutils ;; (/usr/bin/kernel-wedge) in utils/kernel-wedge ;; (/etc/kernel-pkg.conf) in misc/kernel-package. |
| 19:18.25 | abrotman | fail ... |
| 19:18.27 | beni_ | hey guys i have problems with finishing my etch server netinstall |
| 19:18.47 | beni_ | During the installation i had no network card plugged in and no cable, now i got them |
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| 19:18.59 | beni_ | the installation finished, and i can boot my system, BUT its not complete |
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| 19:19.01 | abrotman | but you don't know how to set it up ? |
| 19:19.10 | abrotman | what isn't complete? what is missing? |
| 19:19.12 | beni_ | some tools are missing, and for example i cant install the services i want to |
| 19:19.26 | abrotman | such as? |
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| 19:19.31 | beni_ | Now i managed to get into the LAN and connect to the debian server |
| 19:19.41 | beni_ | abrotman: tools like less, and locate arent installed for example |
| 19:19.47 | abrotman | aptitude install less |
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| 19:19.53 | beni_ | and ssh? |
| 19:19.58 | abrotman | aptitude install ssh |
| 19:20.05 | beni_ | it only has openssh-client |
| 19:20.08 | beni_ | and that is not what i want |
| 19:20.14 | abrotman | !depends ssh etch |
| 19:20.19 | dpkg | ssh: depends on openssh-client, openssh-server |
| 19:20.23 | abrotman | try again ... |
| 19:20.28 | abrotman | beni_: are you sure this is Debian ? |
| 19:20.43 | beni_ | hell yes. its an veeery old box |
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| 19:20.59 | beni_ | now, after the installation it kernel panics if i insert the netinst. cd |
| 19:21.06 | abrotman | beni_: did you install etch ? |
| 19:21.22 | beni_ | etch was in the sources.list so i assumed it |
| 19:21.40 | abrotman | aptitude install ssh should install server and client |
| 19:22.13 | beni_ | really? |
| 19:22.15 | beni_ | hm |
| 19:22.15 | Kjikaqawej | little meta-packages like that make life so much easier |
| 19:22.20 | beni_ | abrotman: w9 |
| 19:22.25 | beni_ | w8 of course.. |
| 19:22.28 | abrotman | wait ? |
| 19:23.17 | beni_ | Why isnt my eth0 configured on startup? I alway need dhclient in order to see it listed in ifconfig |
| 19:23.33 | Kjikaqawej | or sometimes i've seen "weight" for "wait", "waiste" and "waist" when they meant "waste", or "waist" when they meant "waist" |
| 19:23.50 | Kjikaqawej | er, typoed the last one |
| 19:24.08 | abrotman | !tell beni_ about interfaces |
| 19:24.08 | Kjikaqawej | "waste" when they meant "waist" |
| 19:24.21 | solar345 | i want a good editor , can someone suggest any |
| 19:24.27 | abrotman | Kjikaqawej: are you saying that kids today might not have a good grasp of the english language? |
| 19:24.30 | Kjikaqawej | emacs, vim |
| 19:24.32 | abrotman | solar345: for what?! |
| 19:24.33 | solar345 | it has to behave like emacs |
| 19:24.39 | abrotman | then use emacs |
| 19:24.40 | blubberdiblub | spelling is not that easy, especially if english isn't your native language ;) |
| 19:24.56 | Kjikaqawej | or vi-macs or whatever it's called |
| 19:25.00 | solar345 | but it should also list directories like trees and al files in them , that i can click and edit on the right side |
| 19:25.08 | Kjikaqawej | it isn't mine either. that's an excuse |
| 19:25.09 | abrotman | blubberdiblub: yes, but when someone from michigan can't spell more than 50% of the words correctly .. there's a problem |
| 19:25.28 | zmeiat_joro | beni_: I often get that too |
| 19:25.31 | beni_ | abrotman: but ifconfig should be the same as /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:25.41 | abrotman | no |
| 19:25.43 | Kjikaqawej | solar345: emacs, vim has limited dired-like support natively |
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| 19:25.58 | blubberdiblub | abrotman: agreed *g* |
| 19:26.08 | solar345 | abrotman: emacs is great , but when working with more than 3 files , it doesnt feel alright . I want something just like emacs but supports a tree view of files in left . Especially very helpful whhn working with MVC like catalyst |
| 19:26.40 | abrotman | emacs .. great .. hehehe |
| 19:26.49 | Kjikaqawej | kate (gui only, and has kde deps...) |
| 19:26.51 | abrotman | solar345: you're looking for a GUI-ish editor |
| 19:27.43 | Kjikaqawej | abrotman: yup, i'm exactly saying that (sorry for late reply) |
| 19:28.23 | abrotman | Kjikaqawej: you're from up north .. i'll let it slide :) |
| 19:28.42 | Kjikaqawej | it gets cold up here even in summer. NOT |
| 19:28.47 | solar345 | abrotman: what do you use ? |
| 19:28.59 | Kjikaqawej | at least not at my current latitude ;) |
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| 19:29.01 | abrotman | vi/nvi/vim |
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| 19:29.14 | beni_ | abrotman: it doesnt work |
| 19:29.18 | abrotman | Kjikaqawej: kind of chilly here today .. but it's raining also |
| 19:29.22 | Kjikaqawej | i use emcas locally, vim remotely |
| 19:29.22 | abrotman | beni_: what doesn't work? |
| 19:29.29 | Kjikaqawej | bright sunny today |
| 19:29.39 | Kjikaqawej | gonna out out a bit later |
| 19:29.40 | beni_ | apt-get install openssh-server |
| 19:30.05 | subx | could anyone recommend a package what would help me create ASCII art ? |
| 19:30.37 | abrotman | beni_: sounds like your sources aren't right |
| 19:30.40 | abrotman | subx: aalib |
| 19:30.42 | Kjikaqawej | there is such a thing... can't remember tha name, gimp also does it |
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| 19:31.08 | beni_ | in sources.list "etch/updates main contrib" |
| 19:31.14 | abrotman | that's for security |
| 19:31.16 | abrotman | !sources.list |
| 19:31.16 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 19:31.24 | subx | thanks |
| 19:31.36 | beni_ | i uncommented both lines (deb and deb-src) because they were the only ones in the insatllert |
| 19:31.57 | abrotman | !tell beni_ about sources.list |
| 19:32.04 | abrotman | !de |
| 19:32.04 | dpkg | [de] deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 19:32.17 | \amethyst | subx: textdraw, aewan, cadubi |
| 19:34.13 | subx | thanks :D |
| 19:35.01 | Kjikaqawej | i think it was either textdraw or aewan i was thinking of |
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| 19:35.50 | beni_ | abrotman: Thanks this is exactly what i searched for! |
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| 19:37.47 | yangvnc | Is there some software for coding Divx into dvds? |
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| 19:38.54 | daniel | Hi there. |
| 19:39.06 | karsten | yangvnc: apt-cache search video encoding or video transcoding |
| 19:39.22 | daniel | So finally I got a problem with apt-get: When doing 'apt-get remove apache' I get: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) -- how can I find out more? |
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| 19:40.43 | Saint_Marck | hello |
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| 19:41.01 | Saint_Marck | I am having the exact same problem described here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=362194 |
| 19:41.12 | Saint_Marck | e2fsprogs blocking apt-get |
| 19:41.35 | Saint_Marck | any help or pointers would be much appreciated |
| 19:41.38 | stew | Saint_Marck: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
| 19:42.14 | karsten | When invoking screen: |
| 19:42.17 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.27 | karsten | erm: Could not write /var/run/utmp: No such process |
| 19:42.32 | Saint_Marck | so I need to upgrade my dist? |
| 19:42.36 | Saint_Marck | I don't want to do that |
| 19:42.47 | Saint_Marck | I just want to install a basic package |
| 19:43.00 | stew | Saint_Marck: you are trying to upgrade your dist already, but doing it the incorrect way |
| 19:43.13 | Saint_Marck | I see |
| 19:43.20 | stew | Saint_Marck: show us the output of " apt-cache policy " ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 19:45.00 | tetonca | karsten: maybe try pointing $SCREENDIR to a directory you own. |
| 19:45.13 | daniel | stew: Sorry, can you tell me if there's any way to see what went wrong with that apt-get problem of mine? I can't see log-files or anything, or prolly just don't know where to find them. |
| 19:45.17 | Saint_Marck | http://paste.lisp.org/display/45009 |
| 19:46.24 | stew | daniel: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:46.52 | daniel | stew: Yeah, well, there's not much to it, but yes, I'll paste it. |
| 19:47.04 | stew | Saint_Marck: right, so you are running a prerelease version of sarge, but your sources.list is pointing to 'stable' which currently is etch. |
| 19:47.12 | stew | Saint_Marck: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
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| 19:47.35 | stew | Saint_Marck: you should at least upgrade to sarge (aka oldstable), if you don't want to upgrade to etch yet, then skip that part |
| 19:47.44 | Saint_Marck | Can I point my sources.list to use the prerelease version of sarge instead of stable (which is etch?) |
| 19:47.53 | Azar | good day mister abrotman! :) |
| 19:47.57 | stew | Saint_Marck: no, but you can point it at sarge |
| 19:48.01 | Saint_Marck | ok |
| 19:48.07 | Azar | what's the debian o/t channel again? |
| 19:48.25 | stew | Saint_Marck: its just that you seemingly still have packages that are older than what was released with sarge, you should at least upgrade to sarge |
| 19:48.31 | Saint_Marck | I just want to upgrade as little as possible, I'm just trying to install a programming module, not any important system thing |
| 19:48.37 | daniel | stew: Uhm, I think I solved it. Thanks for bearing with me, though :-) (I apt-get remove apache-ssl, which worked. remove apache tried to configure apache-ssl first, for whatever reason, and failed) |
| 19:48.55 | blubberdiblub | Azar: #debian-offtopic |
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| 19:50.03 | Saint_Marck | stew: I'm in the unenviable position of being a novice Linux user, whilst maintaining a very important single-server system |
| 19:50.22 | Saint_Marck | stew: I don't upgrade often because I can't troubleshoot if something goes wrong |
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| 19:50.38 | stew | Saint_Marck: note that security support for sarge will be dropped in a few months, so you should plan to upgrade it sometime before too long |
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| 19:51.10 | Saint_Marck | stew: If you were me, how would you approach that task? |
| 19:51.21 | Saint_Marck | stew: Pay someone? |
| 19:52.33 | stew | Saint_Marck: that depends very greatly on what hardware and software are installed |
| 19:52.37 | Saint_Marck | I don't want to upgrade, so I'm going to forgo new modules |
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| 19:53.00 | stew | Saint_Marck: is it a publicly exposed server? |
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| 19:53.05 | Saint_Marck | yes |
| 19:53.15 | Saint_Marck | thanks for your help, now I understand the situation |
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| 19:54.03 | stew | Saint_Marck: well in that case you really should at least upgrade to sarge and get the security updates for sarge |
| 19:54.20 | Saint_Marck | I'm afraid of breaking something |
| 19:54.29 | stew | Saint_Marck: if its not running exotic or new hardware and not running non-packaged software, it shouldn't be hard to upgrade. |
| 19:54.47 | Saint_Marck | it's fairly vanilla |
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| 20:03.03 | xand | bah |
| 20:03.15 | xand | debian netinst dvd no worky in cd drive c.c |
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| 20:04.12 | powerpuffgirl | xand: does it boot? |
| 20:04.26 | powerpuffgirl | xand: check bios settings and make sure cd is firsit boot device? |
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| 20:04.38 | beni_ | abrotman: my locate doesnt work, it always gives the "database /var/foo/locate.db does net exist", how can i fix that? |
| 20:04.48 | xand | powerpuffgirl: no, dvds don't work in cd drives :P |
| 20:04.53 | powerpuffgirl | oh |
| 20:05.00 | powerpuffgirl | well yeh |
| 20:05.06 | powerpuffgirl | then why did you say that? |
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| 20:05.22 | powerpuffgirl | why would you even tell us that a dvd doesn't work in a cd drive? |
| 20:06.08 | xand | ;.; |
| 20:06.11 | infernal_jesus | powerpuffgirl: it doesn't?! :P |
| 20:06.12 | zmeiat_joro | should I use ffmpeg or mp32ogg |
| 20:07.07 | powerpuffgirl | heh |
| 20:07.30 | Bogus8 | does smbclient have a way to return what netbios machines are on the network? |
| 20:07.33 | Bogus8 | like a scan |
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| 20:07.58 | xand | Bogus8: try -L |
| 20:08.02 | Bogus8 | I read the man file and I couldn't find it |
| 20:08.10 | xand | FFS |
| 20:08.14 | Bogus8 | xand: that only gives the list of shares on the server right? |
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| 20:08.19 | Bogus8 | I've used it before for that |
| 20:08.21 | xand | Bogus8: no |
| 20:08.31 | xand | it lists other machines in the workgroup/domain |
| 20:08.34 | xand | (too) |
| 20:08.36 | Bogus8 | xand: well, it does work for that also ;) |
| 20:08.42 | xand | yes |
| 20:08.46 | xand | with variable results |
| 20:08.53 | Bogus8 | so what is the command to scan the workgroup? |
| 20:09.03 | xand | I think the version in etch has a bug which doesn't list shares with a - in the name |
| 20:09.07 | xand | I said, -L |
| 20:09.12 | xand | it lists other machiens too |
| 20:09.15 | omry | trying to install php-dev on etch, and get "php4-dev: Depends: libssl-dev but it is not going to be installed", any idea how to work around it? |
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| 20:09.29 | Bogus8 | xand: doesn't work |
| 20:09.37 | xand | wfm :) |
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| 20:09.42 | Mischief | I have a question. :P I have a laptop -- Dell Latitude. No Internal harddrive, but it has a CD and Floppy drive. I was able to install Grub and Debian through netinst on the laptop, using a USB Hard Drive(80 Gigs of penguin power?) Anyways, the system doesn't support Usb Boot. |
| 20:09.48 | Bogus8 | xand: from the man file it's for finding 'services' on that server |
| 20:10.01 | stew | omry: show us the output of " apt-cache policy php4-dev libssl-dev " ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:10.18 | xand | Bogus8: yes, it also lists other members of the workgroup/domain |
| 20:10.21 | Mischief | I have the volume currently mounted in windows, and have access to the boot kernals and such on this machine. Any ideas on how to create a neat little USB boot disk with floppy or a CD? |
| 20:10.32 | Bogus8 | xand: I can't seem to make it do that |
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| 20:10.48 | xand | I wish I could get it not to |
| 20:11.05 | Bogus8 | haha |
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| 20:11.34 | Bogus8 | xand: I am running Version 3.0.10-1.fc3 (this is a fedora box obviously) |
| 20:11.34 | kevinl-- | anyone here ever successfully used 0.44 usplash on etch ? |
| 20:12.05 | omry | steve, http://pastebin.ca/631211 (using an apt-proxy) |
| 20:12.09 | Bogus8 | xand: but Version 3.0.24 on my etchy box does the same thing |
| 20:12.10 | xand | Bogus8: why are you asking here then? |
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| 20:12.17 | steve | omry: ..? |
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| 20:12.24 | omry | sorry steve |
| 20:12.28 | omry | stew, , http://pastebin.ca/631211 (using an apt-proxy) |
| 20:12.30 | Bogus8 | xand: well, does it on my debian box also so disregard the fedora part :p |
| 20:12.36 | xeihin | guys how can I know the compression level of a gzip file (1-9)? |
| 20:12.39 | xand | I get three lists from it... "Sharename Type Comment", "Server Comment", "Workgroup Master" |
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| 20:12.49 | Bogus8 | xand: I just happened to be on an old box that is about to be replaced with my debian box |
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| 20:13.09 | xand | Bogus8: that's on 3.0.24 |
| 20:13.18 | Bogus8 | xand: yep |
| 20:13.30 | Bogus8 | xand: so you are just doing `smbclient -L` and it works? |
| 20:13.31 | xand | I meant that's what I have, and it gives three lists as above |
| 20:13.38 | xand | no, smbclient -L //server |
| 20:13.47 | xand | where server is any server on my network |
| 20:13.56 | Bogus8 | xand: haha... that's what I said it was for... what I want to know is what server's are ON my network |
| 20:14.07 | xand | pick one you know of |
| 20:14.11 | Bogus8 | xand: I forgot the name of a box |
| 20:14.16 | Bogus8 | xand: no, I know the -L works |
| 20:14.40 | Bogus8 | i just have an old box online that I rarely use and I remembered there is a file on it I want to snag |
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| 20:15.13 | Graham | Hey, I want to set a share on my server so it's accessible with windows and linux that's password protected, would samba be the best way to do that? |
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| 20:15.19 | beni_ | my locate doesnt work, it always gives the "database /var/foo/locate.db does net exist", how can i fix that? |
| 20:15.30 | xand | nautilus finds samba/windows servers on the network... not sure how |
| 20:15.56 | Bogus8 | I know I could just port scan for 139 but I was hoping smbclient would work like that |
| 20:16.11 | Bogus8 | xand: yeah, I know... that's why I figured a command line tool could do it |
| 20:16.14 | ge2x | how is it that wine isnt available with apt? |
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| 20:16.59 | stew | omry: what happens when you run "aptitude install libssl-dev" ? |
| 20:16.59 | Bogus8 | Graham: it will have to authenticate with either NFS or samba |
| 20:17.04 | xand | ge2x: in what version of debian? |
| 20:17.14 | ge2x | xand: etch |
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| 20:17.26 | Bogus8 | ge2x: it's there for me |
| 20:17.29 | xand | Graham: probably samba |
| 20:17.37 | ge2x | what repos r u using? |
| 20:17.39 | xand | ge2x: in that case... it is available |
| 20:17.50 | stew | ge2x: what arch are you running? |
| 20:17.58 | omry | stew, it suggests to remove a whole bunch of packages. (50 or so) |
| 20:17.59 | ge2x | amd64 |
| 20:18.01 | Bogus8 | Graham: yeah, if you do NFS you will ALSO have to do Samba so might as well do samba... I just use NFS to make mounting easier |
| 20:18.08 | xand | ah, it's i386 only I think? |
| 20:18.14 | stew | omry: show us |
| 20:18.20 | omry | stew, and also report that libssl-dev is broken |
| 20:18.31 | xand | Bogus8: you can mount NFS on windows |
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| 20:18.43 | xand | NFS isn't authenticated by default though... harder to do than with samba |
| 20:18.48 | Bogus8 | xand: really? never tried... guess you have to install some software or protocols eh? |
| 20:18.51 | ge2x | and is pidgin available? |
| 20:19.02 | stew | ge2x: wine only builds for 32 bit |
| 20:19.02 | xand | Bogus8: it's an optional component of windows |
| 20:19.08 | omry | stew, http://pastebin.ca/631216 |
| 20:19.13 | xand | ge2x: gaim is |
| 20:19.20 | Bogus8 | xand: well, I learned something today ;) |
| 20:19.24 | ge2x | and why isnt pidgin? |
| 20:19.33 | xand | ge2x: because it's newer than etch |
| 20:20.14 | Mischief | Anyone have an idea on how to boot USB Debian, when BIOs doesn't support booting from USB? No idea how to make a USB bootdisk from a floppy or CD. |
| 20:20.16 | stew | omry: oh so the problem is that you install a bunch of packages from testing. you shouldn't try to install testing / unstable packages onto stable, instead use a backport: /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:20.26 | stew | ge2x: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:20.31 | ge2x | etch |
| 20:20.40 | omry | stew, actually this box was testing when etch was testing, and it turned stable. |
| 20:20.42 | stew | ge2x: pidgin didn't exist when etch was released |
| 20:20.50 | ge2x | oh |
| 20:20.55 | xand | I said that already |
| 20:21.06 | tetonca_ | Mischief: I think you just treat the USB stick as a hard disk with partitions on it. It's only grub that won't be on it. |
| 20:21.09 | stew | omry: yes, but you installed some packages from testing after etch became stable, such as libssl0.9.8 |
| 20:21.30 | Graham | Right, thanks. |
| 20:21.41 | kevinl-- | usplash |
| 20:21.46 | ge2x | whats the big idea with that iceweasel thing? why couldnt they just leave it firefox?:) |
| 20:21.49 | stew | omry: i'd let it downgrade libssl, and explicitly select etch versions for any of those packages which it wants to remove that you don't want it to |
| 20:21.51 | Mischief | Tetonca: It's not a stick though, it's really a hard drive with a special USB plug. |
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| 20:22.11 | vulture | ge2x: Because they were distributing it untouched. As soon as they modified it, they had to remove the Firefox branding. |
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| 20:22.20 | vulture | Patches, etc. |
| 20:22.21 | nzk | My sound suddely stopped working after I rebooted, it doesn't work at all, but the device shows up in lspci. What can I do? |
| 20:22.22 | omry | stew, why does it suggest to remove those? |
| 20:22.25 | tetonca_ | Mischief: Once grub is loaded you can boot off any media. |
| 20:22.31 | stew | ge2x: becuase mozilla asked debian to change the name since debian is not willing to distribute the non-free artwork, and debian wants to provide timely security patches to old versions |
| 20:22.37 | ge2x | but now i cant even install firefox.. |
| 20:22.54 | omry | this box is not a desktop, the packages there that I do recognize are not really used |
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| 20:23.02 | Mischief | Tetonca: I have SuperGrub on floppy, but it can't find the kernal or boot files, or even the usb system. |
| 20:23.28 | stew | omry: oh, actually becuase they are marked as being automatically installed, but aren't needed by any non-automatically installed packages, you can keep them with "aptitude unmarkauto package1 package2 package2..." |
| 20:23.50 | omry | stew, I think I`ll drop them. giving it a try. |
| 20:23.57 | xand | ge2x: it's called iceweasel |
| 20:24.09 | tetonca_ | mischief: there's a syntax in grub to --recheck or something like that -- will create a list of devices it sees. |
| 20:24.39 | Mischief | tetonca: Let me try that right now, I have it open |
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| 20:24.59 | stew | vulture: debian was never distributing it untouched, and debian hasn't been distrubting the artwork for quite a long time (if they ever did, which i doubt) |
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| 20:25.04 | ge2x | well they could've left the http_agent string alone cause now on some sites i cant install firefox extensions cause the sites yell im not using firefox |
| 20:25.14 | coolbeans | Hi all. Can I set a umask in an init.d script for the process that is going to start? If so, how? |
| 20:25.33 | Graham | How do I add a user to samba? |
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| 20:25.40 | Graham | So I can login to this share |
| 20:25.44 | tetonca_ | mischief: it's '/bin/grub-install' .. a shell script. |
| 20:25.55 | stew | ge2x: you can install them by hand, or you can tell the sites that they should support your browser |
| 20:26.13 | stew | ge2x: or install an extension that lets you change the user-agent string |
| 20:26.28 | ge2x | i beleive that iceweasel only brings more confusion... |
| 20:26.30 | Mischief | tetonca: That would kind've require the usb device to be mounted, wouldn't it? |
| 20:26.45 | tetonca_ | coolbeans just add 'umask 022' or whatever as a line at the top of that script. |
| 20:26.50 | tetonca_ | (near the top) |
| 20:26.58 | coolbeans | Ok, that's what I though. Thanks!! :) |
| 20:26.58 | Mischief | tetonca: idly, what if I copied all files from /boot/ to a CD, and just threw it in the drive? |
| 20:27.03 | stew | ge2x: do you think it would be better for debian to remove firefox completely? (becuase that was the only other option) |
| 20:27.05 | tetonca_ | mischief: grub is lowest level so no. |
| 20:27.38 | tetonca_ | mischief: grub-install copies /boot correctly iirc. |
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| 20:27.48 | BleSS | hi all! |
| 20:28.13 | nzk | My sound suddenly stopped working after I rebooted, it doesn't work at all, but the device shows up in lspci. What can I do? |
| 20:28.18 | BleSS | I've configured my exim as smarthost and now I'm configuring /etc/exim4/passwd.client but the problem is that the smtp relay that I use is configured on another port |
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| 20:28.34 | BleSS | so I've to use: target.mail.server.example:port:login:password |
| 20:28.48 | BleSS | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.54 | ge2x | stew: they couldve just left the firefox title just add -debian to the version number or smthing... and i dont see that non free artwork at all its the same firefox only with an uglier name |
| 20:29.17 | ge2x | they couldve just named it waterrat ... |
| 20:29.46 | stew | ge2x: debian changed the name becuase the mozilla corporation said we had to. are you saying that we should have ignored them and distributed their software illegally? |
| 20:30.03 | karsten | tetonca: That's not screen being unable to write, but not gbeing able to update wtmp |
| 20:30.07 | stew | ge2x: the firefox logo is the non-free artwork |
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| 20:30.53 | kevinl-- | how does ubuntu get away with firefox |
| 20:30.57 | kevinl-- | if debian cant? |
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| 20:31.10 | karsten | tetonca: The screen sessions work, I just get a warning message. |
| 20:31.13 | ge2x | oh so debian wanted to change the firefox icon or something... ridiculous |
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| 20:31.15 | xand | expert |
| 20:31.25 | tetonca | mischief: something like '/sbin/grub-install --recheck --root-directory=.' after 'cd /mnt/hda1' if hda1 is to hold '/boot/*'. |
| 20:31.32 | stew | kevinl--: becuase mozilla hasn't asked them to change the name, which is odd, since at the time they asked debian too, they were taking the debian sources, which patched a handful of files, and they were patching some 40 other files |
| 20:31.33 | infernal_jesus | kevinl--: because debian and ubuntu are different, with different policies and philosophies |
| 20:31.43 | stew | infernal_jesus: how do you know that is the reason? |
| 20:31.45 | karsten | kevinl--: Why don't you ask #ubuntu? |
| 20:31.59 | tetonca | karsten: maybe 'chmod g+w /var/log/wtmp' |
| 20:32.08 | infernal_jesus | stew: because debian changed the name because of the "free |
| 20:32.09 | infernal_jesus | " policy |
| 20:32.22 | omry | stew, looks like its working. thanks. (didn't knew aptitude was so much smarter than apt-get) |
| 20:32.31 | stew | infernal_jesus: no, debian changed the name becuase mozilla corporation said we must |
| 20:32.45 | ge2x | i just dont get it: firefox is in most of the linux distributions and mozilla only asked debian to change the name... |
| 20:32.51 | stew | infernal_jesus: ubuntu didn't change the name becuase mozilla corporation DIDN'T say the same to ubuntu |
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| 20:33.10 | karsten | tetonca: -rw-rw-r-- 1 root utmp 62592 2007-07-23 12:05 /var/log/wtmp |
| 20:33.11 | infernal_jesus | stew: but didn't debian also change some things within firefox ? |
| 20:33.27 | ampex | why did mozilla ask for the name to be changed? |
| 20:33.43 | stew | infernal_jesus: yes, but ubuntu took all of the changes that debian made and made far more of their own |
| 20:33.49 | stew | ampex: ask mozilla |
| 20:34.03 | infernal_jesus | stew: oh, wasn;t aware of that :p |
| 20:34.12 | tetonca | karsten: maybe screen has to be suid |
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| 20:34.33 | Mischief | tetonca: I'm going to make a Grub CD, and just try to boot with that. It should recognise the USB drive, right? |
| 20:34.46 | nzk | Does anyone know the answer to my problem? |
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| 20:34.56 | tetonca | karsten: 'chmod g+s screen' (when in /bin, /sbin, etc. .. whereever screen binary lives) |
| 20:35.10 | tetonca | karsten: but check it first with ls so you can restore it. |
| 20:35.39 | tetonca | mischief: I think it would, sure. You'll know soon enough. Grub rocks. |
| 20:35.39 | ge2x | omg those egghead programmers and their copyrights are ridiculous... now im just going to boot into windows and used cracked software and no copyrights wont bother me :D |
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| 20:36.29 | tarzeau | ge2x: the eggheads often are not the programmers |
| 20:36.35 | tarzeau | ge2x: but people who have no clue about writing software |
| 20:36.47 | Mischief | Tetonca:I'll see what I can do. :P |
| 20:36.53 | vulture | stew: Right - just took a while for the lawyers to catch up, but the modification was the issue (or the basis of the legal claim - whether or not it was the underlying motivation) |
| 20:36.55 | tetonca | karsten: I have it (in DSL not debian) as '-rwxr-sr-x 1 root utmp 258728 Dec 21 2003 /usr/bin/screen' |
| 20:37.19 | abrotman | vulture: you left out the security patch issue |
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| 20:38.05 | karsten | tetonca: -rwxr-sr-x 1 root utmp 298260 2007-03-06 15:06 /usr/bin/screen |
| 20:38.11 | karsten | In debian. |
| 20:38.12 | beni_ | how can i set the computer name of my box? |
| 20:38.19 | stew | beni_: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 20:38.22 | beni_ | the name i chose during the installation isnt used |
| 20:38.31 | abrotman | !hostname |
| 20:38.31 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 20:38.33 | tetonca | karsten: prior to your troubles? those permissions are what I have here. |
| 20:38.40 | dacs | hi, at the terminal when i type history i get alot of commands i used before...is ther is a way i can clear this history |
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| 20:39.10 | dkr | dacs: rm ~/.bash_history |
| 20:39.20 | abrotman | or put devnull in it |
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| 20:40.33 | ricky | Sticky! |
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| 20:47.37 | pettern | i have the same problem as these guys when i try to install fglrx on debian lenny. any suggestions? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=567464 |
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| 20:50.07 | karsten | tetonca: I haven't changed settings. Need to look at what else is going on, trying to do work as well. |
| 20:50.25 | karsten | tetonca: Thanks for the info / suggestions though. I think I've run into this before, forget what the solution was though. |
| 20:50.43 | beni_ | my hostname is set to the name i wanted to, but it is not accessible in the lan. Can anyone help me |
| 20:52.05 | janrocks | beni_: is it in the right domain |
| 20:52.13 | tetonca | karsten: all I can think of are environment variables then. Welcome. |
| 20:52.31 | beni_ | janrocks: how right domain? I just want a hostname for lan |
| 20:52.35 | karsten | tetonca: Nothing set for screen on this particular box. |
| 20:52.42 | yoshio | beni: if you aren't using dns, is the new hostname/ip in every machine's /etc/hosts files? |
| 20:52.44 | beni_ | /etc/hostname is the right one |
| 20:53.24 | beni_ | yoshio: nope, thats not the case. I thought my router would store all the hostname-ip-mac data? |
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| 20:55.09 | semprix | guys how do i umount a usb drive? |
| 20:55.14 | semprix | thumb drive |
| 20:55.23 | semprix | im on fluxbox |
| 20:56.06 | mrsno__ | semprix with the drive not accessed , umount /dev/sdx replacing x with the usb drive device id (fdisk -l will show) |
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| 20:58.05 | yoshio | beni_: something has to do hostname<->ip address translation, either a dns server or your /etc/hosts file (on each machine), routers don't do that |
| 20:58.37 | math | hello, I was installing debian etch again, and choose for no desktop environment, only the standard system, but it installed gdm and gnome, is this normal...? |
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| 20:58.50 | hwilde | is there a way to do fractional crontabs, like run every 30s ? |
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| 20:59.26 | abrotman | hwilde: best is 1 minute |
| 20:59.30 | beni_ | yoshio: is it worth the efford to setup a dns for lan? we got 5 boxes here .. |
| 20:59.36 | beni_ | + router |
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| 20:59.48 | xand | math: no, maybe you mistyped :) |
| 20:59.54 | hwilde | abrotman, nobody else wants to run faster than */1 ? |
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| 21:00.22 | abrotman | hwilde: there are other ways to do that if you really need to |
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| 21:00.31 | math | xand: hmmk |
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| 21:01.19 | hwilde | abrotman, I really want to... but I don't want to run with sleep timers in milliseconds. can I upgrade crontab or install some other package |
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| 21:02.07 | abrotman | hwilde: i'm not aware of any app that does that .. you could of course just have the cron task do the task .. sleep 30 .. do it again and exit |
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| 21:02.40 | dondelelcaro | hwilde: if you want something to be executing more than once a minute, it probably should be a daemon |
| 21:02.53 | leon_pegg | I have setup a debian repository and I would like a html view of it like all the others how can I do this? |
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| 21:03.03 | hwilde | evil daemons and sleep timers... |
| 21:03.14 | dondelelcaro | leon_pegg: the html stuff is just apache's mod_index |
| 21:03.34 | dondelelcaro | (or is it dir_index? whatever; it's built into apache) |
| 21:03.37 | xingu | I shudder to think how much disk space a week's worth of cron spew will take with a task scheduled every 30s |
| 21:03.37 | karsten | leon_pegg: Set up a webserver and point a VirtualDirectory at the archive root. |
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| 21:03.57 | karsten | xingu: I could write a cronjob to monitor that for you ;-) |
| 21:04.00 | dacs | what is subrevision , i want to use the command svn co http:// is there is one in debian |
| 21:04.08 | dondelelcaro | dacs: subversion |
| 21:04.18 | dacs | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 21:04.19 | leon_pegg | thanks dondelelcaro and kersten |
| 21:04.22 | karsten | dacs: subversion. It's a version control system. |
| 21:04.32 | dondelelcaro | dacs: aptitude install subversion; |
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| 21:04.52 | karsten | dacs: Similar to: CVS (which it replaces), git, mercurial (a/k/a Hg), etc.). |
| 21:04.59 | yoshio | beni_: it can't be hard to setup a small local dns server. it might be hard to keep 5 machines in sync, if you keep having to edit /etc/hosts on each machine frequently |
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| 21:06.04 | dacs | cool thanks guys |
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| 21:08.04 | xingu | strikes me that libnss-msdns and avahi are built for this problem |
| 21:08.16 | karsten | yoshio: Definitely. |
| 21:08.26 | xingu | err, libnss-mdns |
| 21:08.29 | karsten | yoshio: sneakernetting /etc/hosts is *so* 1979. |
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| 21:11.04 | leon_pegg | karsten could you point to an example of a VirtualDriectory configuration |
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| 21:13.29 | Ozux | hi, I add a new directory to my $PATH and export it and then add it to my ~/.bashre and ~/.bash_profile BUT I can't run binaries from ALT+F2 run dialog (GNOME) any suggestion? |
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| 21:14.21 | karsten | Ozux: You'll have to restart your windowmanager or X session. |
| 21:14.45 | karsten | Ozux: parent processes don't inherit child's environment. You've got a windowmanager running with your old path. |
| 21:14.52 | karsten | Ozux: Log out and back in, should fix the issue. |
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| 21:15.49 | karsten | Ozux: Some WMs may allow restarting the WM without restarting X, which should preserve the remainder of your X session. Downside is that you may then find other processes which still retain the old path. |
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| 21:16.56 | Ozux | karsten: I add it a mont ago, with a lot of logins and log outs! |
| 21:16.58 | ryancr | could someone give a hand with a find xargs grep rm command? |
| 21:17.14 | ryancr | this is what i am trying now: find ./cur/ -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep '^Date:.*2006.*ST$'|xargs -0 rm |
| 21:17.15 | Ozux | karsten: s/mont/month Sorry |
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| 21:17.33 | moshii | mm when I transfer anything my ipod about 3 meg into the transfer it totally screws usb on the machine |
| 21:17.35 | karsten | Ozux: Then your X session isn't sourcing those files. |
| 21:17.51 | moshii | everything aside from my usb mouse stops working properly |
| 21:18.23 | Ozux | karsten: I guess you right, but where can I know that my X use witch file as resource file? |
| 21:18.39 | karsten | Ozux: I'm looking under /etc/X11 ATM. |
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| 21:19.08 | Ozux | karsten: :) |
| 21:19.10 | karsten | Ozux: One option which *should* work is to export this in ~/.xsession, and specify yuor X session fully there. |
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| 21:19.41 | unsolo | lets say i have a firewall a main server and a backup server |
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| 21:19.56 | unsolo | what should i use to distribute the loads amongst the servers |
| 21:20.07 | Ozux | karsten: Do you know where can we say to X The file that should use as resource? |
| 21:20.40 | Lin | there is something better than apt-proxy? I dont fell confortable with this message: exceptions.RuntimeError: TODO: multiple clients not implemented yet |
| 21:21.17 | blubberdiblub | ryancr: you might want to try "find ./cur/ -type f -exec egrep -q '^Date:.*2006.*ST$' '{}' \; -exec rm '{}' \;" no need for xargs, and you might want to insert an echo in front of the rm first to check if it really does what you want |
| 21:21.30 | Roadrunne | hi all. I have a compiler error and no clue what it is, can anybody help? http://paste.debian.net/33277 |
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| 21:21.55 | karsten | Ozux: /etc/profile or ~/.xsession |
| 21:21.57 | bobesponja | hey all |
| 21:22.07 | bobesponja | in what package can I find curl-config? |
| 21:22.11 | blubberdiblub | ryancr: note especially: use egrep or grep -E to make use of regexes in grep. otherwise it's a quite plain search |
| 21:22.29 | ryancr | blubberdiblub: thanks ill give it a shot |
| 21:22.36 | xand | how is inetd meant to be restarted when there's nothing in /etc/init.d? |
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| 21:22.53 | xand | kill -1 ? |
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| 21:23.22 | en1gma | i have a question related to networking and how a cable-modem/router/gateway works....its about 5-6 lines long so i put it here http://pastebin.ca/631312 if someone could answer or assist me in how it works i would apprecaite it |
| 21:23.25 | dondelelcaro | xand: uh... if you've actually got an inetd, there's a script in /etc/init.d |
| 21:23.47 | xand | dondelelcaro: nope |
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| 21:23.55 | xand | well, it's not called inetd |
| 21:23.56 | dondelelcaro | xand: ls -l /etc/init.d/*inetd*; |
| 21:24.13 | xand | oh... it's called a silly name :) |
| 21:24.19 | xand | openbsd-inetd |
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| 21:24.20 | dondelelcaro | we've got multiple inetds, so they all have slightly different names. |
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| 21:25.42 | KDEusr | can someone give me a hand |
| 21:25.53 | KDEusr | i just installed debian on a old mac G3 |
| 21:25.59 | KDEusr | it boots to cli |
| 21:26.08 | KDEusr | i installed the kde version of debian |
| 21:26.16 | KDEusr | how do i start X |
| 21:26.21 | solitude| | startx |
| 21:26.40 | solitude| | then startkde if it doesnt autolaunch |
| 21:26.50 | pipeline | KDEusr: You need to install the x-window-system and kdebase packages. |
| 21:27.09 | KDEusr | how can i do that from cli? |
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| 21:27.28 | KDEusr | its it anything like urpmi? |
| 21:27.31 | karsten | bobesponja: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:27.42 | pipeline | KDEusr: aptitude install <package names> |
| 21:27.51 | KDEusr | thanks |
| 21:27.56 | KDEusr | so thats the names of them |
| 21:28.05 | KDEusr | x-window-system and kdebase |
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| 21:30.28 | KDEusr | thanks |
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| 21:31.22 | dacs | i want to remove a pakage so i did aptitude remove package name --purge but still when i do locate package name i find it |
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| 21:32.21 | bobesponja | karsten: can't find it |
| 21:32.31 | ricky | dacs: The locate database isn't updated in real time. |
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| 21:36.11 | grendal_prime | im tring to automake something i made with glade and i keep getting this. error |
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| 21:36.18 | grendal_prime | **Error**: You must have `glib' installed. |
| 21:36.34 | pipeline | You need the glib dev packages. |
| 21:36.39 | pipeline | and probably the gnome scripts too |
| 21:36.57 | pipeline | gnome-common |
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| 21:37.07 | karsten | bobesponja: apt-file search curl-config | grep '/bin/curl-config' | tr -s '\n' ' ': usr/bin/curl-config libcurl3-gnutls-dev: usr/bin/curl-config libcurl3-openssl-dev: usr/bin/curl-config libcurl4-gnutls-dev: usr/bin/curl-config libcurl4-gnutls-dev: usr/bin/curl-config libcurl4-openssl-dev: usr/bin/curl-config |
| 21:37.17 | karsten | bobesponja: libcurl[34]-dev |
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| 21:37.33 | karsten | bobesponja: erm, sorta. Anyhow, apt-file finds it. |
| 21:37.42 | bobesponja | karsten: ok thanx :) |
| 21:38.02 | karsten | bobesponja: ... which /msg dpkg search would have suggested to you. |
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| 21:42.15 | unsolo | any debian lvs guides out there |
| 21:42.40 | karsten | unsolo: "LVM Howto" at tldp.org |
| 21:43.43 | unsolo | lvm != lvs |
| 21:44.38 | bobesponja | karsten: what's the apt command to get the dependencies to build a package? |
| 21:44.39 | grendal_prime | wich glib dev? |
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| 21:44.49 | karsten | unsolo: Point. |
| 21:45.31 | karsten | bobesponja: Within Debian, apt (apitude or apt-get) should handle that for you. For third-party sources, see auto-apt. |
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| 21:49.58 | karsten | Weird. That screen problem reported earlier has self-resolved. |
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| 21:51.16 | goodshit | anyone know of a command to see what program a user is running. 54785 nobody 1 119 0 3932K 3344K RUN 2:51 11.47% perl5.8.8 , this is what i get. It is run by nobody which is http. anyone know if I can do a ps command and see what excalt file its running? anyone know how to do that? |
| 21:51.54 | karsten | goodshit: ll /proc/<PID>/exe |
| 21:52.03 | karsten | ll == alias 'ls -l' |
| 21:52.52 | karsten | goodshit: Also /proc/<PID>/cmdline |
| 21:53.09 | goodshit | huh?? |
| 21:53.11 | karsten | goodshit: Gives you the full commandline + args. 'ps waux' should also show that. |
| 21:53.17 | goodshit | i see thx |
| 21:53.25 | karsten | goodshit: "<PID>" == the pid of the process |
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| 21:54.21 | xand | is it possible to do something dpkg -S for packages that aren't installed? |
| 21:55.02 | goodshit | thx karsten.. |
| 21:55.05 | goodshit | i see the command /usr/bin/web/httpd |
| 21:55.07 | nanonyme | apt-cache search? |
| 21:55.12 | goodshit | but when i go to /usr/bin/ i don't see web |
| 21:55.18 | bvs | xand, check apt-file |
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| 21:55.41 | ChrisW | hi all, what would be the cron line format to run a job every 30 minutes? |
| 21:55.42 | Roadrunne | hi all. I have a compiler error and no clue what it is, can anybody help? http://paste.debian.net/33277 |
| 21:55.45 | nanonyme | bvs: is apt-file better than apt-cache search? :) |
| 21:55.47 | karsten | goodshit: lsof | grep web/httpd |
| 21:55.54 | karsten | goodshit: See if that's maybe deleted. |
| 21:55.57 | goodshit | thx karsten |
| 21:56.02 | karsten | goodshit: Any reason to suspect you're rooted? |
| 21:56.12 | karsten | ChrisW: */30 * * * * foo |
| 21:56.28 | goodshit | karten. can't find it... |
| 21:56.31 | nanonyme | ran chkrootkit? |
| 21:56.46 | goodshit | karsten. well someone is runnig some stuff as nobody. and its eating up my cpu |
| 21:56.48 | bvs | nanonyme, if you want to search for files in packages that are not installed, yes |
| 21:56.56 | ChrisW | karsten: so that would do at :00 and :30 |
| 21:57.07 | karsten | nanonyme: apt-file searches for all known files. apt-cache searches only package descriptions. auto-apt search is much faster than apt-file. |
| 21:57.09 | nanonyme | bvs: ah, true. apt-cache search only searches for package names... |
| 21:57.11 | ChrisW | what if I want :10 and :40? |
| 21:57.12 | karsten | ChrisW: Right. |
| 21:57.15 | karsten | ChrisW: 10/30 |
| 21:57.17 | goodshit | karsten. i don't see web/httpd .. what should i do now? |
| 21:57.24 | karsten | goodshit: Panic. |
| 21:57.30 | KDEusr | im havin some difficulties with aptitude |
| 21:57.32 | nanonyme | well, descriptions, whatever |
| 21:57.34 | ChrisW | why */30 in the first example then? |
| 21:57.35 | KDEusr | so is there a gui for it? |
| 21:57.47 | KDEusr | or could i just use synaptic instead? |
| 21:57.50 | karsten | KDEusr: Go to a bar and ask when their aptitude adjustment hour is. |
| 21:57.51 | ChrisW | (the * being the confusing bit) |
| 21:58.02 | ChrisW | what's hte difference between */30 and 0/30? |
| 21:58.12 | karsten | ChrisW: * == any time. I think it defaults to 0. I may be wrong. RTFM. |
| 21:58.29 | KDEusr | so, is there a gui karsten ? |
| 21:58.30 | ChrisW | and are you sure it's a / and not a , ? |
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| 21:59.23 | karsten | KDEusr: synaptic or something even worse in KDE. |
| 21:59.27 | techbie | ChrisW:man crontab will help you :) |
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| 22:00.02 | karsten | ChrisW: n/m == run every m intervals, offset by n. n,m,l,k == run at n, at m, at l, at k. |
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| 22:00.46 | karsten | ChrisW: So: 2/12 = 2,14,26,38,50 |
| 22:00.57 | ChrisW | k, got it :-) |
| 22:01.05 | ChrisW | thanks for the help! |
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| 22:01.23 | KDEusr | one more thing someone might be able to help me with |
| 22:01.32 | KDEusr | i installed debian and kde |
| 22:01.58 | KDEusr | i rebooted the maching and when i came booted back up everything i changed was back to "default" |
| 22:02.18 | karsten | KDEusr: You should be able to choose your X session at login. |
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| 22:02.45 | KDEusr | well, when it boots |
| 22:02.46 | karsten | KDEusr: If you want to set it permanently, create an ~/.xsession file, configure it to taste, and select "default" session. |
| 22:02.50 | KDEusr | it is all verbose |
| 22:02.53 | goodshit | karsten, any way to see what is going on? |
| 22:03.02 | KDEusr | oh for real karsten ? |
| 22:03.08 | KDEusr | how do i create it? |
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| 22:03.19 | karsten | goodshit: open your eyes. |
| 22:03.22 | karsten | KDEusr: Any editor. |
| 22:03.52 | goodshit | well i kill the PID |
| 22:03.55 | goodshit | but it keep o ncoming back |
| 22:03.55 | karsten | goodshit: Um. 'strace' should show what the process is doing ('strace -p <PID>'). You can see a listing of its open filehandles under /proc/<PID>/ |
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| 22:04.10 | goodshit | i see thx karsten.. let me try strace |
| 22:04.19 | karsten | goodshit: Check what its parent process is (PPID in environment, or 'pstree -p' and look for its PID. |
| 22:04.28 | goodshit | is it trace? |
| 22:04.33 | goodshit | ok |
| 22:04.41 | karsten | goodshit: 'strace' == 'system call trace' |
| 22:04.45 | unsolo | how does ipvsadm work |
| 22:04.52 | karsten | goodshit: Gives you an idea of what's going on. |
| 22:05.06 | karsten | unsolo: Grudgingly? |
| 22:05.17 | goodshit | k |
| 22:05.38 | unsolo | ? |
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| 22:06.47 | techbie | unsolo: man ipvsadm or do googling |
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| 22:09.31 | goodshit | hey karsten, when i do a strace -p PID. i'm getting alot of this. select(8, [3], NULL, NULL, {135919836, 135919840}) = 0 (Timeout) |
| 22:10.37 | goodshit | karsten, i did a pstree -p PID |
| 22:10.39 | goodshit | cp# pstree -p 56933 |
| 22:10.39 | goodshit | -+= 00001 root /sbin/init -- |
| 22:10.39 | goodshit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.51 | goodshit | thats all it show. what is that?? |
| 22:11.24 | goodshit | i don't see a file in /usr/bin/web/httpd |
| 22:11.28 | goodshit | its not there |
| 22:12.05 | xand | how can I work out why my net booting etch install kernel panics on boot? it does the following and then panics... http://rafb.net/p/9lEKR984.html |
| 22:12.38 | solitude| | the installer panics? |
| 22:12.42 | Gm4n | is there an apt package that supplies HFS+ drivers? |
| 22:12.46 | solitude| | or this is after the netinstal? |
| 22:13.02 | xand | solitude|: are you asking me? |
| 22:13.06 | solitude| | yes |
| 22:13.08 | solitude| | I am asking you. |
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| 22:13.52 | xand | it's not the netinstaller... I'm trying to install etch on a diskless workstation so that it boots from the network, but it panics during boot |
| 22:14.10 | solitude| | AHhhh |
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| 22:15.45 | xand | I'm not sure if "WARNING: Couldn't open directory /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-486: No such file or directory" means that it hasn't mounted / properly or something, as that directory is there on the nfs server :| |
| 22:16.08 | unsolo | techbie: thanks only google advise i found on lvs debian is ask here.! |
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| 22:18.30 | techbie | unsolo: sorry , i dunno have any idea:( , but you can check its man might help you |
| 22:18.50 | unsolo | helped a small bit but not much |
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| 22:19.52 | en1gma | why do cable-modems have an ssh port? |
| 22:20.00 | xand | en1gma: what? |
| 22:20.12 | xand | hmm |
| 22:20.14 | en1gma | i did an nmap on 192.168.100.1 and it found ssh |
| 22:20.14 | abrotman | en1gma: some of them do .. do you rent or own your cable modem ? |
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| 22:20.24 | en1gma | well i own my rented modem |
| 22:20.25 | en1gma | :) |
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| 22:20.30 | en1gma | i kept it when i moved |
| 22:20.43 | abrotman | uhm .. well . .that'd be how they flash^Wdestroy your BIOS on your cable modem .. most likely |
| 22:20.45 | xand | abrotman: you're clever, help me :( |
| 22:20.45 | undesktop | current debian unstable updates want to remove xzgv... anyone knows details why and what? |
| 22:20.50 | abrotman | xand: row more ? |
| 22:20.58 | abrotman | undesktop: bts ? |
| 22:21.03 | xand | I've not done any rowing for several weeks :| |
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| 22:21.12 | undesktop | abrotman: what does bts mean? |
| 22:21.14 | goodshit | Can someone help me I can't seem to find out what is running this process. its running as nobody. and the command is /usr/local/web/http , but i can't find that file. I went into /usr/local , there is not web/http, Anyone know everytime i kill it come back again?? thanks.. |
| 22:21.15 | abrotman | !bts |
| 22:21.15 | dpkg | hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 22:21.23 | undesktop | abrotman: no entries there |
| 22:21.26 | en1gma | how can i get into it cause right now the modem dont work with my new cable co cause some of the menus are not there in the management software |
| 22:21.38 | xand | do I need to create my initrd.img file on a machine with the exact same kernel as the machine it's to be used on? |
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| 22:21.48 | abrotman | undesktop: paste the "error" |
| 22:21.57 | abrotman | xand: for diskless workstations ? |
| 22:21.59 | en1gma | is there a bruit force app for ssh |
| 22:22.00 | xand | yes |
| 22:22.06 | abrotman | en1gma: dozens |
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| 22:22.11 | en1gma | its my modem they sent me the bill |
| 22:22.20 | en1gma | and its on my credit report |
| 22:22.21 | en1gma | :) |
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| 22:22.23 | abrotman | xand: yes .. but i think the best approach would be to use the debian kernels |
| 22:22.25 | undesktop | abrotman: it's not an error; apt-get dist-upgrade just wants to deinstall xzgv (and some more gtk1 apps, but not all; i.e. xmms got updated) |
| 22:22.30 | abrotman | en1gma: this is related to debian .. how? |
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| 22:22.43 | en1gma | well i installed debian and then ran nmap |
| 22:22.44 | en1gma | :) |
| 22:22.48 | abrotman | undesktop: okay .. then if you try to install it again .. what happens ? |
| 22:22.55 | ruslan | russkie est"?? |
| 22:23.03 | Mauna_Loa | hi. this is driving me nuts. I'm running debian lenny and one week has passed without any automatic updates! Is this happening to everyone or is my box broken? |
| 22:23.12 | abrotman | !ru |
| 22:23.12 | dpkg | well, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 22:23.24 | xand | abrotman: what do you mean? i followed the instructions here... http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Diskless_Workstation ... the machien I created my initrd.img.netboot file on has 2.6.18-4-k7 and the diskless one is -486, should that matter? |
| 22:23.33 | abrotman | Mauna_Loa: your mirror might not be syncing |
| 22:23.36 | undesktop | abrotman: didn't try yet; I'm afraid this leads to catastrophic time consuming effects (i.e. needing downgrading the packages later to make xzgv run again) |
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| 22:23.42 | abrotman | xand: nope |
| 22:23.45 | yannf | hello |
| 22:23.55 | abrotman | undesktop: okay .. that's what you get when you run unstable |
| 22:23.57 | Gm4n | I want to connect an HFS+ formatted drive to my etch system... do I want to install the hfsplus or the hfsutils package? |
| 22:24.09 | Mauna_Loa | abrotman: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 22:24.16 | karsten | goodshit: Basically: whatever started the process has died, so init is the onwing process |
| 22:24.16 | yannf | what package do you suggest to monitor bandwidth usage on a net server? |
| 22:24.19 | abrotman | Mauna_Loa: use another |
| 22:24.21 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 22:24.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 22:24.22 | xand | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/9lEKR984.html you think line 90 implies that / isn't mounted or something? :| |
| 22:24.22 | en1gma | i havent used ssh ever....is it like ftp like in the format of ftp:\\user:pass@ip address |
| 22:24.26 | undesktop | abrotman: I don't complain, I'd just like to know the exact cause, and if there's a way to resolve it etc. |
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| 22:24.45 | abrotman | undesktop: likely either a dep is removed .. or something conflicts .. since you won't paste anything .. i can't say for certain |
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| 22:24.51 | xand | Gm4n: the former I should think |
| 22:25.03 | yannf | of course, free software with detailed logs and graphics ;oP |
| 22:25.17 | ruslan | russian est tyt ktonit???? |
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| 22:25.26 | abrotman | !ru |
| 22:25.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 22:25.30 | abrotman | ruslan: ^^^^^ |
| 22:25.38 | Mauna_Loa | abrotman: do you have any notice that my mirror has problems? |
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| 22:25.47 | abrotman | Mauna_Loa: no .. but that isn't just one host |
| 22:25.53 | en1gma | googled brute force ssh and all that shows up is software that shows how to BLOCK brute force....can someone pm me |
| 22:26.02 | undesktop | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/7qQdPu73.html |
| 22:26.03 | abrotman | Mauna_Loa: i use the mit.edu mirror .. i got updates today |
| 22:26.04 | cloakable | O.o |
| 22:26.18 | abrotman | en1gma: no .. this has nothing to do with debian |
| 22:26.33 | yannf | any idea please? |
| 22:26.35 | techbie | englma:fail2ban |
| 22:26.45 | abrotman | undesktop: seems to be because you're upgrading libc6 |
| 22:26.48 | en1gma | thats why i asked for a pm but sorry you are right |
| 22:26.50 | mrsno__ | fail2ban and denyhosts are two great apps |
| 22:26.57 | abrotman | mrsno__: on his cable modem ? |
| 22:26.59 | en1gma | thnx |
| 22:27.11 | moshii | I've added a gateway for a subnet (10.0.0.0), but this box according to traceroute is still trying to push those packets out of the default gw, is there any way to telling it not to? :) |
| 22:27.29 | undesktop | abrotman: no, updating the libc only only has small effects |
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| 22:27.43 | abrotman | !depends xzgv unstable |
| 22:27.43 | Mauna_Loa | abrotman: can you please paste hete the line of your lenny main mirror? I would like to check it in order to see if this is only a mirror problem or if something is broken on my box |
| 22:27.48 | dpkg | xzgv: depends on gdk-imlib11, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0), libgtk1.2 (>= 1.2.10-4), libjpeg62, libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libtiff4, libx11-6, libxext6, libxi6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) |
| 22:27.56 | mrsno__ | im just mentioning they are useful abrotman :-) |
| 22:27.57 | abrotman | undesktop: notice libc6 ? |
| 22:28.13 | abrotman | Mauna_Loa: i just use the mit.edu mirror as my main source |
| 22:28.15 | xand | gah |
| 22:28.38 | abrotman | xand: sounds like it doesn't have any modules at all |
| 22:28.53 | undesktop | abrotman: and what about this?: http://rafb.net/p/HJEuDK79.html |
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| 22:29.04 | Mauna_Loa | abrotman: thanks, I will check that mirror and see what I get |
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| 22:29.04 | abrotman | xand: why are you doing a netboot .. that machine could run debian directly |
| 22:29.09 | undesktop | abrotman: doesn't say it wants to remove xzgv |
| 22:29.25 | abrotman | undesktop: then it's another dep |
| 22:29.27 | grendal_prime | ok what the hell am i doing wrong here. I need glib dev files.. |
| 22:29.50 | xand | abrotman: because I want to wipe / regularly and it's quicker to do that if it's a directory on a differnet machine ;) |
| 22:29.55 | undesktop | abrotman: I guess libglib1.2? |
| 22:29.56 | grendal_prime | im assuming that would be libglib1.2-dev |
| 22:29.57 | xand | abrotman: and to save power and stuff |
| 22:29.59 | abrotman | undesktop: like libglib or something |
| 22:30.04 | abrotman | xand: uhm ok |
| 22:30.14 | grendal_prime | ya but when i run this app it still tells me that i need to install glib. |
| 22:30.26 | abrotman | grendal_prime: need an actual error |
| 22:30.44 | grendal_prime | **Error**: You must have `glib' installed. |
| 22:30.44 | abrotman | xand: tried a monolithic kernel ? |
| 22:30.50 | undesktop | so is there any way to make apt show exactly what dependencies cause the installation or removal of a package? |
| 22:30.58 | xand | abrotman: dunno what that is |
| 22:31.01 | grendal_prime | i mean thats about as straight forward as i can get i gues |
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| 22:31.30 | abrotman | xand: no modules needed to boot |
| 22:31.38 | abrotman | (not exactly monolithic i guess) |
| 22:31.56 | abrotman | hey .. it's raining in england ... |
| 22:32.10 | abrotman | diafic: don't ever do that again |
| 22:32.20 | xand | abrotman: raining? really? |
| 22:32.25 | undesktop | woah, just pinged 767 people? |
| 22:32.30 | abrotman | xand: they were showing flooding in england on CNN |
| 22:32.34 | grendal_prime | im looking at the script that generates that error and where its looking for glib..would that help? |
| 22:32.35 | cloakable | Who? |
| 22:32.36 | xand | abrotman: I know |
| 22:32.54 | xand | it's been raining here for hours and hours, though no local flooding (yet) |
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| 22:33.24 | abrotman | grendal_prime: tried libglib2.0-dev ? |
| 22:33.50 | xand | abrotman: hmm, I don't know how to tell which are needed for booting |
| 22:33.52 | KDEusr | i dont know if you guys can help me with this but |
| 22:33.59 | KDEusr | quake 3 arena install |
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| 22:34.14 | KDEusr | im getting an error. do i need the mac installer? |
| 22:34.24 | KDEusr | or will a regular linux installer work |
| 22:34.44 | xand | abrotman: only thing in etc/modules is "loop" |
| 22:35.25 | abrotman | KDEusr: are you on macosx ? |
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| 22:35.34 | abrotman | is there even a ppc linux build ? |
| 22:35.43 | undesktop | ok, found my bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=433730 |
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| 22:35.50 | xand | KDEusr: does that have anything to do with debian at all? |
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| 22:36.21 | KDEusr | no im not on mac |
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| 22:36.30 | xand | why would you want a mac installer then? |
| 22:36.32 | KDEusr | i have debian 4 installed on a mac g3 |
| 22:36.38 | xand | oh |
| 22:36.45 | xand | does it say it works for ppc? |
| 22:36.48 | KDEusr | im more used to rpm |
| 22:36.53 | KDEusr | well, there is a mac installer |
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| 22:37.05 | xand | i bet it's for osx though. |
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| 22:37.11 | KDEusr | perhaps |
| 22:37.21 | mrsno__ | Received a CTCP PING 1000976045 from leon_pegg :o |
| 22:37.24 | KDEusr | on that note, im not running and mac os |
| 22:37.26 | xand | anyway, a mac g3 is a mac :P |
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| 22:37.41 | KDEusr | do you guys use xchat? |
| 22:37.46 | abrotman | xand: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Diskless_Workstation |
| 22:37.49 | KDEusr | i think i might need to setup my repos or something |
| 22:37.59 | streuner | KDEusr: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 22:38.06 | xand | abrotman: that's what i've been following :) |
| 22:38.07 | KDEusr | anyone have a guide for setting up media |
| 22:38.13 | abrotman | xand: seems straight forward to me! |
| 22:38.13 | KDEusr | one second streuner |
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| 22:38.24 | Mauna_Loa | abrotman: oh my.... with the debian.lcs.mit.edu I have 51 updates. But with the ftp.debian.org I don't have a single update! |
| 22:38.27 | zrin | shall BIOS be set to "PNP OS" or "Non-PNP" for 2.6.18+ kernels? |
| 22:38.31 | xand | abrotman: yes, but it doesn't work :P it's fine until halfway through booting... |
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| 22:38.36 | abrotman | Mauna_Loa: ah well |
| 22:38.46 | xand | zrin: I doubt it matters, but the former probably? |
| 22:38.49 | cafuego | zrin: Linux really wouldn't care either way, afaik. |
| 22:38.51 | streuner | zrin: Linux doesnt give a damn about PNP |
| 22:39.01 | zrin | thank you :) |
| 22:39.29 | xand | but! "isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards..." |
| 22:39.39 | abrotman | Mauna_Loa: you should really pick a mirror near you |
| 22:39.44 | streuner | ISA ist really old :-) |
| 22:39.47 | KDEusr | 2.3.6.ds1-13 streuner |
| 22:39.48 | cafuego | xand: yes, linux has its own isapnp routines |
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| 22:40.09 | abrotman | Mauna_Loa: like http://ftp.pt.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 22:40.31 | abrotman | cafuego: kind of .. isapnptools is kind of dead |
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| 22:40.45 | zrin | streuner: it's about if BIOS configures all PNP devices or not ... I'm asking because of ">Dev[0377:10de] has invalid IRQ. Check vendor BIOS" in the log |
| 22:40.55 | cafuego | abrotman: in-kernel module does the work these days. |
| 22:41.05 | abrotman | i thought you still needed the tools |
| 22:41.29 | abrotman | oh wait .. no .. i have more at work! |
| 22:41.34 | KDEusr | streuner: did you catch that? |
| 22:41.54 | streuner | KDEusr: sure, whats the problem? |
| 22:42.04 | cafuego | zrin: Is that on an amd64 mainboard, that is guaranteed to not even have isa slots? |
| 22:42.05 | Mauna_Loa | abrotman: I would like to stick with USA mirrors. Do you think it's better to change my mirrors from ftp.debian.org to debian.lcs.mit.edu ? I think this is very strange cause I always used ft.debian.org without any problems. As a matter of fact, I currently have another box, with debian etch, and I'm using there de ftp.debian.org without problems... |
| 22:42.16 | KDEusr | you asked me what the output of libc6 was |
| 22:42.16 | streuner | KDEusr: installing X-Chat? |
| 22:42.18 | KDEusr | no |
| 22:42.22 | zrin | cafuego: yes, what does it mean? |
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| 22:42.24 | KDEusr | installing quake3 arean |
| 22:42.28 | KDEusr | arena* |
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| 22:42.44 | abrotman | Mauna_Loa: why don't you want a mirror in your country ? |
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| 22:42.47 | semprix | hi guys i have rpcbind running on my debian box which i dont really need |
| 22:42.51 | semprix | how do i close this port? |
| 22:43.01 | streuner | !closing ports |
| 22:43.01 | dpkg | <greycat> Whenever a newbie talks about "opening" or "closing" ports, you're in for a hell of a time helping it to unlearn whatever fucked-up concepts it's picked up. |
| 22:43.21 | semprix | lol |
| 22:43.24 | semprix | i dont get that |
| 22:43.27 | cafuego | zrin: afaict 0377:10de is a pice device, so the driver might be buggy. |
| 22:43.41 | streuner | you shouldnt care much about that |
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| 22:44.42 | streuner | semprix: dont touch portmap, if you dont know what exactly you doing |
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| 22:45.24 | Mauna_Loa | abrotman: because I only use debian in english. And because I have reasons to believe that my country's mirror does not have the exactly same packages as the USA mirrors |
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| 22:45.43 | abrotman | Mauna_Loa: you mean like the mirror you were just using that was in the states and out of date? |
| 22:45.44 | cafuego | zrin: I can't find much info, except that the error seems to be commn and doesn't stop people from booting up |
| 22:45.48 | streuner | semprix: portmap just manage ports for NFS |
| 22:46.05 | streuner | semprix: if NFS isnt installed, you shouldnt care then |
| 22:46.11 | semprix | ohh ok |
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| 22:46.16 | semprix | thanks anyways |
| 22:46.19 | abrotman | Mauna_Loa: the idea of the mirror is that they do have the same packages .. you might as well try it .. there are like five .pt mirrors |
| 22:46.38 | Mauna_Loa | abrotman: good point eheheheh |
| 22:46.49 | semprix | thanks streuner |
| 22:46.54 | streuner | np |
| 22:46.55 | zrin | cafuego: PCIE, yes; IIUC with BIOS set to PNP only boot devices will be configured, leaving the rest for OS. If the kernel lacks corresponding drives some devices will be left unconfigured (?) Could that be a problem? In this case, is it better to set BIOS to non-PNP and let it configure all it can? |
| 22:47.19 | Mauna_Loa | abrotman: ftp.debian.org is the default mirror. so I would never thought it could have problems |
| 22:47.19 | cafuego | zrin: well, you can try and see if it makes a difference, but I doubt it |
| 22:48.00 | abrotman | Mauna_Loa: that's why i don't use it .. it's a multi-host hostname .. sometimes one of them is down ... sometimes they are out of sync .. etc .. when you use a single host .. you knwo if it's down .. and you can easily check if it's out of sync |
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| 22:48.49 | palestinian | hello |
| 22:49.05 | palestinian | someone have a laptop lenovo or ibm with a ipw3945abg working with debian? |
| 22:49.19 | cafuego | not yet |
| 22:49.23 | streuner | !laptops |
| 22:49.23 | dpkg | methinks laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 22:49.36 | xand | !3945 |
| 22:49.44 | streuner | !listvals 3945 |
| 22:49.46 | dpkg | Factoid search of '3945' by value (4): ipw3945 ;; ipw3945 reload ;; killswitch ;; iwlwifi. |
| 22:50.03 | xand | !ipw3945 |
| 22:50.03 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
| 22:51.02 | palestinian | dpkg, im not using still...I want to know if I can download and install debian or not...cause freebsd users and slackware users told me it will work in "their" distros and it didnt...despite ipw3945 sometimes may be detected...with lenovo its difficult |
| 22:51.08 | abrotman | palestinian: dpkg is a bot |
| 22:51.24 | diafic | Does anyone know how I can get vmware server console to tell me which thread the vm is on the host? |
| 22:51.32 | techbie | !anyone |
| 22:51.32 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 22:51.37 | cafuego | palestinian: the trick is that you need the non-free firmware, afaik. |
| 22:51.39 | abrotman | diafic: are you done pinging the channel ? |
| 22:51.49 | diafic | abrotman, yea. |
| 22:51.50 | abrotman | diafic: and .. ask #vmware |
| 22:51.51 | cafuego | palestinian: and a recent enough kernel |
| 22:51.54 | palestinian | ufff...dont laugh about me, i knew...i was joking jajajajaja |
| 22:51.55 | diafic | I was just curious to see if it worked |
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| 22:52.03 | Mauna_Loa | abrotman: thank you for all your help. you are always very kind. :) |
| 22:52.15 | abrotman | diafic: next time try it on #php-gtk |
| 22:52.20 | diafic | I did |
| 22:52.22 | streuner | palestinian: Debian doesnt ship firmware, because most of them arent DFSG |
| 22:52.29 | diafic | I was certain it wouldn't work in big channels |
| 22:52.32 | diafic | guess it did :P |
| 22:52.43 | KDEusr | dpkg: im runnin debian 4.0 |
| 22:52.46 | palestinian | streuner, u think ill can get it working? |
| 22:52.48 | KDEusr | is that the latest version? |
| 22:52.50 | pettern | what package contains kpkg or make-kpkg? |
| 22:52.53 | palestinian | if I download the 4.0? |
| 22:53.00 | streuner | palestinian: sure, with firmware :-) |
| 22:53.04 | diafic | KDEusr, its a bot. |
| 22:53.06 | diafic | dpkg is a bot |
| 22:53.11 | abrotman | pettern: kernel-package |
| 22:53.16 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 22:53.16 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 22:53.30 | KDEusr | what is the latest version of debian? |
| 22:53.32 | abrotman | etch |
| 22:53.38 | palestinian | streuner, good...and the last question,how much discs ii need for the complete installation?, ill give 800 gb to debian |
| 22:53.41 | palestinian | 80,sorry |
| 22:53.43 | stew | palestinian: do you need to use the wireless for installing debian, or can you get on the internet with a wired interface in order to install packages? |
| 22:54.06 | palestinian | stew, no, im not downloading the first disk |
| 22:54.23 | stew | palestinian: no to which? |
| 22:54.34 | xored`off | are any FTP connections ( passive ) done with UDP? iam just thinking about which ports to open for FTP with passive FTP. 20, 21, and than a port range 60000-62000 |
| 22:54.36 | zrin | diafic: ps will tell you that |
| 22:54.46 | stew | palestinian: you need a minumum of about 500MB to install debian |
| 22:54.52 | palestinian | "no to which?" what u mean?,sorry,english is not my native language |
| 22:55.05 | pettern | abrotman, thanks |
| 22:55.28 | stew | palestinian: can you get onto the interenet with a wired interface in order to install firmware and drivers for your wireless after you install debian? |
| 22:55.53 | palestinian | how many discs i need?,6? |
| 22:56.04 | stew | palestinian: 1 |
| 22:56.25 | KDEusr | so your really gonna go make me google that |
| 22:56.27 | palestinian | stew, yes,with ethernet |
| 22:56.30 | KDEusr | no one can answer for me? |
| 22:56.38 | KDEusr | what is the lastest version of debian |
| 22:56.42 | palestinian | stew, 1?, but I want a complete installation...u know,full |
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| 22:56.50 | stew | KDEusr: etch: /msg dpkg etch |
| 22:56.54 | palestinian | KDEusr, 4 |
| 22:57.01 | palestinian | KDEusr, 4.0 the stable |
| 22:57.31 | stew | palestinian: if you can use ethernet to install software, you can definately get your wireless working |
| 22:57.56 | xand | xored`off: no udp, just general crapness :) |
| 22:58.05 | stew | palestinian: and if you can use the ethernet to install packages you only need one cd. if you want to install from cd anyway, you need whichever CDs contain packages you want to install, /msg dpkg which cd |
| 22:58.08 | palestinian | stew, thnx |
| 22:58.37 | palestinian | thnx stew |
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| 22:58.45 | xored`off | xand: :) So what do i need to open for FTP active + passiv ? |
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| 22:59.17 | KDEusr | !repo |
| 22:59.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, repo is a repository (mirrors), where debian package archives are stored. |
| 22:59.25 | palestinian | stew, where r u from? (just in order to know ur language) |
| 22:59.29 | KDEusr | !setting up repos |
| 22:59.29 | xored`off | xand: thats what i have currently http://www.pastebin.ca/631420 |
| 22:59.45 | KDEusr | !repo help |
| 22:59.57 | stew | palestinian: I'm from the US and only speak english |
| 23:00.04 | stew | KDEusr: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:00.16 | palestinian | well,plz, tell me u dont like bush |
| 23:00.24 | KDEusr | i want to setup the media for aptitude |
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| 23:00.34 | diafic | bbiab |
| 23:00.37 | KDEusr | so i have diffrent repos |
| 23:00.39 | stew | KDEusr: /msg dpkg sources.list ; man sources.list |
| 23:00.42 | xand | xored`off: I'm not sure, but beware <ftp> |
| 23:00.43 | cafuego | nobody likes bush, but debian and politics don't mix |
| 23:00.44 | KDEusr | its like anything im searching for dont work |
| 23:00.44 | xand | !ftp |
| 23:00.44 | dpkg | well, ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 23:00.48 | stew | KDEusr: why do you need different ones? |
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| 23:01.20 | KDEusr | its like the ones that are default dont have nothing |
| 23:01.30 | KDEusr | xchat isint in there |
| 23:01.34 | KDEusr | firefox |
| 23:01.39 | KDEusr | beryl |
| 23:01.40 | KDEusr | compiz |
| 23:01.43 | KDEusr | nothing is in there |
| 23:01.47 | KDEusr | very minimal |
| 23:01.47 | stew | KDEusr: stop hitting enter so much |
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| 23:01.58 | xored`off | xand: its for my customers...iam personly dont care what they do with their data :) |
| 23:02.00 | KDEusr | sorry bout that. |
| 23:02.10 | xand | xored`off: ah but it's your box? |
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| 23:02.18 | stew | KDEusr: firefox, xchat, compiz are all available from the default repositories, if you can't install them your sources.list isn't yet properly setup: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 23:02.32 | stew | KDEusr: or show us your sources.list ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 23:02.33 | KDEusr | i never set anything up with them |
| 23:02.44 | xand | KDEusr: do you know how to search? |
| 23:02.50 | KDEusr | search for what? |
| 23:02.57 | xand | jeez |
| 23:03.05 | KDEusr | well, im new to debian |
| 23:03.08 | KDEusr | i've been using mandriva |
| 23:03.09 | xored`off | xand: iam the administrator |
| 23:03.10 | xand | the things you want to install |
| 23:03.12 | xand | !search |
| 23:03.12 | dpkg | i guess search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 23:03.17 | xored`off | xand: but lets call me the scp user :) |
| 23:03.33 | xand | xored`off: ftp can lead to the box getting pwned more easily is all |
| 23:03.42 | KDEusr | !sources.list |
| 23:03.43 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 23:03.58 | xored`off | you mean intruding by FTP ? |
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| 23:04.12 | xand | xored`off: sniffing passwords that way etc and then using them to login |
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| 23:04.38 | NetEcho | anyone know how to turn up the gamma on a nvidia card under linux? |
| 23:04.44 | xored`off | xand: as nobody of my customers can login through there FTP account, i dont care if they "get their pw sniffed" |
| 23:04.58 | xored`off | xand: the only shell access is mine..and its ey-auth only |
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| 23:05.04 | xored`off | xand: key auth only |
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| 23:06.07 | Klavier | i dont have internet but i want to use debian packages offline. i want to install programs like mp3 codec or mplayer or xmms .. i want to install them easily how can i do this. |
| 23:06.08 | Klavier | ladies. |
| 23:06.13 | KDEusr | alright, forget it. |
| 23:06.23 | KDEusr | i'll just install mac back on there and give the damn thing away |
| 23:06.33 | KDEusr | thanks for all of your help people. |
| 23:06.37 | Klavier | i need some keywords.. ladies. |
| 23:06.49 | xored`off | anyway to define the passive ports vsftp should use ? |
| 23:06.53 | schoppenhauer | hello. i am searching for a debian-packaged library that is similar to this http://www.sbooth.org/ccl/index.html - i dont care which one, but it would be good to have it packaged already (for this one there is no package, i think, there are many similar libraries, but i didnt find any, can someone name me one? |
| 23:07.01 | stew | KDEusr: if you just show me what you have in your sources.list now, i'm sure it would be easy to fix |
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| 23:07.12 | xand | Klavier: who are you calling ladies? |
| 23:07.46 | stew | Klavier: look at apt-move or apt-zip |
| 23:08.21 | KDEusr | i dont know how to show you whats in my sources list |
| 23:08.39 | KDEusr | well, i just did an update |
| 23:08.44 | KDEusr | aptitude update |
| 23:08.49 | Klavier | how will i solve dependence problem xand stew |
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| 23:09.06 | KDEusr | but. firefox is still no where to be found |
| 23:09.28 | stew | KDEusr: put your sources.list into a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 23:10.02 | palestinian | stew, in the installation it will ask me how much discs I have or I need to know what packages to choose>? |
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| 23:10.17 | stew | palestinian: neither |
| 23:10.18 | schoppenhauer | does anyone know a similar lib? i know this is an unusual question and i myself am only too lazy to program my configfile-reader myself ;-) - but why waste time? |
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| 23:11.04 | palestinian | neither?,so how u do? |
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| 23:11.58 | stew | palestinian: wait, "need to know what pacakges to chose" <- what do you mean by this? |
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| 23:12.23 | stew | palestinian: it will ask you, for instance if you want a "desktop install" or if you have a laptop, and choose packages for you, or you can choose them manually |
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| 23:13.02 | palestinian | if I choose a laptop it will not ask for more than one cd,right?,and it will install all what I need for xwindow and get my ethernet working? |
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| 23:14.02 | stew | palestinian: you will not need more than one cd. it will install everything you need for ethernet (which is nothing more than the kernel itself). in order for it to install x, you need to also choose "desktop" or you need to manually install the "xorg" package (and a window manager) |
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| 23:14.08 | KDEusr | alright stew i figured it out |
| 23:14.17 | KDEusr | http://www.pastebin.ca/631427 |
| 23:14.20 | KDEusr | theres the media |
| 23:14.47 | dondelelcaro | schoppenhauer: there are a whole bunch of them, actually; apt-cache search configuration library; will give you a list to start with. |
| 23:14.59 | palestinian | stew, ,ok,so ill instal desktop directly...the xwindow and xorg are in the first disk,right? |
| 23:15.09 | stew | KDEusr: you don't have a main debian mirror, only security.debian.org and cd1, you need to add a mirror for etch: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 23:15.12 | stew | palestinian: yes |
| 23:15.25 | KDEusr | stew: so how do i do that? |
| 23:15.32 | palestinian | thnx stew ill dont bother u more...untill ill have it installed :-) |
| 23:15.37 | stew | KDEusr: by editing /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:15.54 | KDEusr | oh ok, why didnt you just say so! |
| 23:16.00 | stew | KDEusr: i did at least 3 times |
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| 23:16.14 | stew | KDEusr: at least i told you to "/msg dpkg sources.list" and you read that info |
| 23:16.17 | KDEusr | i was kidding. im sure i can figure it out |
| 23:16.20 | KDEusr | but i dont know what to add |
| 23:16.25 | KDEusr | where do i get the media from? |
| 23:16.37 | stew | KDEusr: 'media'? |
| 23:16.38 | KDEusr | is there a online guide for setting up the media? |
| 23:16.45 | stew | KDEusr: what media? |
| 23:16.49 | dondelelcaro | KDEusr: there's no media to add. You just add a sources.list line pointing to a Debian mirror. |
| 23:16.52 | KDEusr | the mirrors |
| 23:16.58 | KDEusr | where do i get the list from |
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| 23:17.03 | dondelelcaro | !mirrors |
| 23:17.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 23:17.09 | KDEusr | thank you! |
| 23:17.25 | abrotman | stew: shouldn't you be watching tv? :) |
| 23:17.32 | stew | no, i should be running |
| 23:17.35 | abrotman | it's cold! |
| 23:17.51 | stew | abrotman: i'll be inside anyway |
| 23:17.56 | abrotman | oh .. i thought you meant outside |
| 23:18.01 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I could export some of our heat to you... |
| 23:18.02 | abrotman | well then .. go ahead :) |
| 23:18.07 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: PLEASE!!! |
| 23:18.27 | abrotman | what kind of summer is 20C ... |
| 23:18.36 | stew | abrotman: i can't believe you'd complain about 20C |
| 23:18.45 | abrotman | stew: it was pretty windy here today .. and raining |
| 23:18.58 | abrotman | felt more like late september |
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| 23:19.13 | abrotman | it'll be nice tomorrow .. i hpe |
| 23:19.15 | abrotman | hope |
| 23:19.15 | OmnipotentEntity | Where can I find what domain I used when I set up this computer? |
| 23:19.26 | schoppenhauer | dondelelcaro: hm. libconfig0 sounds good. do you know, how the lib for "normal" gnu-configuration-format is named? |
| 23:20.05 | dondelelcaro | schoppenhauer: no, actually... but if you look at some application which uses it, it'll depend upon it |
| 23:20.25 | abrotman | OmnipotentEntity: /etc/mailname should have it |
| 23:20.30 | dondelelcaro | schoppenhauer: I have the sneaking suspicion though, that most applications use a custom yacc grammar to parse the config file. |
| 23:20.31 | abrotman | erm .. i think |
| 23:20.39 | OmnipotentEntity | Thanks! :D |
| 23:21.10 | schoppenhauer | dondelelcaro: hm. maybe i should just package the ccl myself. |
| 23:21.27 | schoppenhauer | dondelelcaro: but there is no alien and any2deb anymore |
| 23:21.52 | abrotman | no alien ? |
| 23:22.15 | streuner | there are many aliens in the world, but NOT in Debian? |
| 23:22.17 | schoppenhauer | ah. alien is there again. |
| 23:22.22 | streuner | oh :-) |
| 23:22.40 | schoppenhauer | but alien is not good to package things. i would need any2deb or so. |
| 23:22.53 | dondelelcaro | well, it'd actually be better to actually package it. |
| 23:23.05 | schoppenhauer | what? |
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| 23:23.18 | dondelelcaro | 'course, if you want to emulate someone's configuration file format (sometimes a good idea), just look at the source, and steal their parser |
| 23:23.40 | schoppenhauer | hm? |
| 23:23.41 | schoppenhauer | what? |
| 23:24.01 | schoppenhauer | some good programs use the ccl... thats why i want to use it. |
| 23:25.14 | peterS | though note that if it's the parser used in samba and rsync, it will be ... hmm, how do you say ... "ugliest code you've seen in awhile"? |
| 23:26.40 | Mauna_Loa | I'm leaving. cheers |
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| 23:27.07 | KDEusr | stew: would you mind giving me a hand setting this up? |
| 23:27.14 | KDEusr | i dont want to get it wrong |
| 23:28.21 | KDEusr | i've opened up the source.list so i can add in the mirrors |
| 23:28.28 | KDEusr | i just dont know exactly how to add them |
| 23:28.32 | schoppenhauer | hm. it seems like libconfig0 is debian-specific. at least i didnt find any useful documentation on it, which is not related to debian or ubuntu |
| 23:29.49 | xored`off | how would i test, if the passive mode of my FTP server works ? |
| 23:29.54 | peterS | schoppenhauer: more like, it is obscure, mostly used by its author, and nobody has bothered to ship it with any OS except Debian |
| 23:30.19 | peterS | xored`off: uh, just set your ftp client to passive mode? most ftp clients, such as ncftp, have this capability |
| 23:30.48 | xored`off | peterS: iam trying it with lftp..ftp:passive-mode what would be the command but i dont get where / how to run it |
| 23:31.04 | peterS | xored`off: I don't use lftp |
| 23:31.31 | Supaplex | rsync+ssh > ftp |
| 23:31.51 | peterS | Supaplex: that's a very helpful comment, in context of his question |
| 23:32.25 | streuner | hm |
| 23:32.56 | powerpuffgirl | hi guys |
| 23:33.05 | powerpuffgirl | streuner: my main man whats up |
| 23:33.29 | streuner | o_O :-) |
| 23:33.32 | schoppenhauer | peterS: what i am searching for is a configuration-library as simple as the ccl or a possibility to package the ccl for my debian-system. |
| 23:33.58 | streuner | powerpuffgirl: not much, visited sauna and watching DebTV ;-) |
| 23:34.02 | powerpuffgirl | I think I'm getting strep throat |
| 23:34.04 | powerpuffgirl | debtv? |
| 23:34.07 | powerpuffgirl | do tell. |
| 23:34.10 | peterS | schoppenhauer: what is holding you back? if you want this library, just package it. or use a shortcut like checkinstall |
| 23:34.18 | powerpuffgirl | hi peters |
| 23:34.25 | powerpuffgirl | !debtb |
| 23:34.27 | powerpuffgirl | !debtv |
| 23:34.31 | KDEusr | will someone please give me some help? |
| 23:34.33 | streuner | DebianTV |
| 23:34.35 | powerpuffgirl | hmm, is that online debian only tv |
| 23:34.41 | KDEusr | im trying to configure my mirrors for aptitude |
| 23:34.54 | streuner | nah, only IRC :-( |
| 23:34.57 | peterS | KDEusr: the installer didn't already do that? |
| 23:34.58 | xored`off | how to run a portscan on my box? its quite strange the "on the box" system tells me, that a lot of ports are opened..but concerning to the firewall their should be closed |
| 23:35.03 | KDEusr | no |
| 23:35.06 | powerpuffgirl | oh |
| 23:35.09 | KDEusr | im missing a bunch of packages |
| 23:35.09 | powerpuffgirl | you mean #debian |
| 23:35.10 | KDEusr | like xchat |
| 23:35.21 | powerpuffgirl | debtv == #debian eh |
| 23:35.21 | streuner | sure, what do you think? :-) |
| 23:35.25 | KDEusr | i cant even get on xchat on that pc untill i get the mirrors straight |
| 23:35.26 | peterS | KDEusr: well you can start with http://p12n.org/tmp/sources.list.etch |
| 23:35.26 | powerpuffgirl | it took me a while |
| 23:35.30 | powerpuffgirl | I'm slow today brother |
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| 23:35.42 | streuner | you are not the fastest, but today you are really slow |
| 23:35.49 | KDEusr | so just add those in there? |
| 23:35.50 | streuner | yes |
| 23:35.56 | KDEusr | as long as everything lines up ? |
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| 23:36.21 | powerpuffgirl | :( |
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| 23:37.01 | peterS | powerpuffgirl: the only truthful thing about your nick is the 'puff', right? |
| 23:37.07 | powerpuffgirl | hehe |
| 23:37.12 | powerpuffgirl | yessir |
| 23:37.16 | streuner | haha |
| 23:37.31 | rdz | is there some way to configure the cpu-fan behaviour? or even manually control it? what part of the system is responsible for that? |
| 23:37.43 | powerpuffgirl | bios |
| 23:37.50 | powerpuffgirl | ? |
| 23:37.50 | peterS | acpi |
| 23:37.58 | rdz | peterS, ok... |
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| 23:38.21 | powerpuffgirl | well if it aint enabled in bios you won't be able to do it |
| 23:38.29 | ttl- | during instalation of lenny on a Compaq Evo D510 my gfx card crashed somehow changing characters in colored blocks |
| 23:38.40 | powerpuffgirl | make sure bios acpi is enabled |
| 23:38.46 | ttl- | but the install continued |
| 23:38.47 | rdz | peterS, since the fan is running on different speeds at different loads, i think the os controls it somehow... can i influence that as user? |
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| 23:38.51 | palestinian | jaajajaja,powerpuffgirl |
| 23:38.53 | palestinian | good nick |
| 23:38.59 | powerpuffgirl | the os doesn't control it as muc;h |
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| 23:39.02 | powerpuffgirl | its the pwm controller |
| 23:39.07 | KDEusr | thanks peterS |
| 23:39.08 | KDEusr | thanks alot |
| 23:39.10 | KDEusr | that worked |
| 23:39.15 | peterS | good, good |
| 23:39.18 | ttl- | now i'm prsented with a menu i can't read |
| 23:39.21 | powerpuffgirl | make sure you set it to off in bios so you can manually control the speed or run it full speed if you want |
| 23:39.27 | rdz | powerpuffgirl, where and what is the pwm-controller? |
| 23:39.35 | ttl- | is there some way to rest the gfx adapter ? |
| 23:39.42 | ttl- | reset* |
| 23:39.48 | powerpuffgirl | if you turn off pwm for cpu fan, it will run full speed. if it is on, it will slow down if cpu is cool, and it will spin faster under load |
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| 23:40.08 | powerpuffgirl | go into bios options and browse around, you'll see it |
| 23:40.13 | powerpuffgirl | or refer to the motherboard manual |
| 23:40.15 | rdz | powerpuffgirl, i am running windows on the same box, and on windows i can manually change the behaviour.. so this means, bios control is already disabled? |
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| 23:40.32 | powerpuffgirl | it is good then |
| 23:40.35 | powerpuffgirl | do as peterS suggested |
| 23:41.03 | peterS | I didn't suggest anything in particular |
| 23:41.05 | rdz | if i am not totally blind, he just suggested acpi |
| 23:41.14 | powerpuffgirl | peterS: install acpi e |
| 23:41.16 | powerpuffgirl | -e |
| 23:41.17 | rdz | but what does that mean? |
| 23:41.25 | powerpuffgirl | !acpi |
| 23:41.25 | dpkg | acpi is probably Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/, or generally better than APM but see also swsusp |
| 23:41.38 | powerpuffgirl | peterS: what about apm? does it not also control the cpu fan? |
| 23:42.01 | peterS | powerpuffgirl: I don't think it does. or at least, if it does, not really under OS control. acpi is a lot more sophisticated. |
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| 23:42.09 | powerpuffgirl | aha |
| 23:42.13 | rdz | i have already control over brightness of my display by writing a number into one of the proc files... does controlling fan speed work in a similar way? |
| 23:42.18 | karsten | Is there a package other than tmpreaper which cleans up stray /tmp files? |
| 23:42.19 | Minataku | Is there a way to tell wodim what sector size I want it to burn with? |
| 23:42.23 | schoppenhauer | peterS: hm. you are right. thank you. |
| 23:42.24 | peterS | acpi is, ahem, rather overdesigned, to be honest. but at least it includes a lot of functionality. |
| 23:42.35 | streuner | karsten: clean /tmp? |
| 23:42.39 | Minataku | I'm pretty sure I need to tell it to use a 512B sector size for what I'm doing |
| 23:42.40 | karsten | rdz: There's a few utilities to manage fan speed. laptop-mode or something like. |
| 23:42.53 | Mauna_Loa | abrotman: just one more question... What security lenny mirror are you using? I'm using "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main". I don't know if there are several security mirrors just like it happens with the general mirrors |
| 23:42.55 | streuner | karsten: a script in /etc/init.d/ does that usually... |
| 23:42.57 | peterS | Minataku: sector size? well, you can use data mode for 2048B, audio mode for 2352B, etc., but I don't think you can beyond that |
| 23:43.00 | rdz | karsten, can you tell me one? |
| 23:43.11 | Minataku | peterS: I need a 512B secsize |
| 23:43.17 | peterS | Minataku: are you saying you don't want to write a data CD-R? |
| 23:43.22 | Minataku | Like for an old Sun machine |
| 23:43.22 | rdz | streuner, you mean controlling the fan speed? |
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| 23:43.56 | peterS | Minataku: you might try cdrdao with an appropriate .cue file. I don't know if that sort of thing can be done or not. |
| 23:44.00 | streuner | rdz: oh no, APM or ACPI doesnt that, you need a little more than that, IIRC |
| 23:44.12 | Minataku | Hm |
| 23:44.31 | Minataku | Well, I'll see what happens again with this here |
| 23:44.32 | peterS | Minataku: but your requirement sounds very odd - CD-ROMs have always used 2048-byte data sectors |
| 23:44.41 | schoppenhauer | ok. thank you. bye. |
| 23:44.50 | Minataku | peterS: I know that old Sun machines demand 512B sectors to boot |
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| 23:45.01 | Minataku | Last time I tried this, it booted then crapped out on installing |
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| 23:45.10 | Minataku | I'm trying to burn an image of SunOS 4.1.4 |
| 23:45.11 | rdz | streuner, i think the fan is already controlled by something.. at least it changes speed depending on the cpu load.. so i think, it is just an issue of finding WHAT is controlling it.. but i don't have any clue at all |
| 23:45.12 | ttl- | is there a way to reset the gfx adaptor |
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| 23:45.24 | ttl- | during intall |
| 23:45.27 | abrotman | Mauna_Loa: should be fine |
| 23:45.32 | ttl- | install* |
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| 23:45.57 | Minataku | Just halt my Personal DECstation 5000/33 here |
| 23:45.59 | peterS | ttl-: since it is probably on a kernel framebuffer, you could switch to another virtual console with alt-f2. however, if it is the framebuffer which is broken, that won't really help |
| 23:46.06 | Minataku | Since I'll be shutting it down |
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| 23:46.10 | abrotman | Minataku: again? |
| 23:46.21 | peterS | Minataku: umm, you can't run sunos 4.1.4 on a mips (: |
| 23:46.25 | Minataku | abrotman: Oh, I'm doing something completely different this time |
| 23:46.27 | Minataku | peterS: I know |
| 23:46.30 | ttl- | peterS: i have tried that and get a color block command promt |
| 23:46.32 | Minataku | That's why I'm shutting it off |
| 23:46.38 | ttl- | prompt* |
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| 23:46.47 | Minataku | So I can plug in either my SPARCstation 10 or my SPARCstation LX |
| 23:46.52 | Minataku | I think I'll try the LX |
| 23:47.04 | Minataku | Since I have OPENSTEP/risc on the S10 |
| 23:47.09 | peterS | Minataku: heh, good luck with those boxes. they will not be supported in the next debian release, due to lack of developer interest in 32-bit sparc |
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| 23:47.16 | Minataku | Not that I _like_ OPENSTEP |
| 23:47.27 | Minataku | peterS: Well, screw Debian, then ;3 |
| 23:47.27 | ttl- | peterS: so indeed i does not help |
| 23:47.38 | fungo | :3 |
| 23:47.39 | Minataku | Sorry XD |
| 23:47.40 | abrotman | Minataku: there's always netbsd |
| 23:47.48 | Minataku | I never planned for Debian on those, anyway |
| 23:47.50 | powerpuffgirl | dude |
| 23:47.54 | powerpuffgirl | if I could screw debian, I would. |
| 23:47.58 | peterS | abrotman: well and there's also sunos 4.1.4, which is also BSD-based, which is what he's trying to install now (: |
| 23:48.00 | Minataku | I do have Debian on an older x86 laptop |
| 23:48.08 | powerpuffgirl | I'd like debian to have my children. or my children to have debian, I dunno which. |
| 23:48.11 | Minataku | abrotman: Thank God for NetBSD |
| 23:48.21 | Minataku | Keeping everything alive |
| 23:48.22 | abrotman | Minataku: opensolaris might work |
| 23:48.32 | peterS | Minataku: indeed, I suspect netbsd would be more pleasant to work with than sunos 4 |
| 23:48.34 | Minataku | abrotman: I want to run old SunOS, though |
| 23:48.39 | Minataku | I'm a collector |
| 23:48.40 | peterS | as BSD Unix variants go |
| 23:48.45 | Minataku | Of both hardware and software |
| 23:49.29 | streuner | rdz: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ACPI_fan_control_script |
| 23:49.52 | fungo | why collect old hardware, if emulators are out there |
| 23:50.00 | rdz | streuner, hey, thanks a lot... |
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| 23:50.07 | abrotman | fungo: lots of people enjoy it .. it can be pretty 'fun' |
| 23:50.08 | Minataku | Anyway, thanks for the insight and the assistance :D |
| 23:50.28 | Minataku | I'm off to mess about some more |
| 23:50.53 | powerpuffgirl | fungo: just cuz |
| 23:51.24 | abrotman | hrm .. more useless junk from stoned ... |
| 23:51.29 | ttl- | which menu you get after installing all the package groups you selected on the latest netinstall cdrom ? |
| 23:51.36 | abrotman | tasksel |
| 23:52.00 | powerpuffgirl | fungo: I got a comm64, amiga, appleII, mac LC475, atari 2600, game gear, old fat gameboy, snes, genesis, master drive, compuadd laptop from 1992, all of kings quest games, myst, riven, lemmings, the last ninja, kung fu fighter |
| 23:52.03 | fungo | i would like to have some old sparcs here... to warm my bedroom |
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| 23:52.20 | powerpuffgirl | and god knows what else |
| 23:52.23 | fungo | not that this nvidia vga isn't hot enough |
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| 23:52.35 | abrotman | fungo: depends on the age of the sparc .. i had a 1+ for awhile .. running .. Solaris 2.3 IIRC |
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| 23:52.51 | abrotman | and i also had an SGI running IRIX |
| 23:53.18 | peterS | abrotman: heh, solaris 2.3 was only somewhat less painful than solaris 2.2. a real low point for the Sun OS group (: |
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| 23:53.42 | abrotman | peterS: yeah .. on 24MB it wasn't all that much fun either :) |
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| 23:54.04 | abrotman | peterS: i actually really enjoyed using olwm or whatever it was |
| 23:54.20 | peterS | I don't suppose. my experience with solaris 2.2 and 2.3 was on a big multiuser server (sometimes hundreds of people logged in), and it crashed a _lot_ |
| 23:54.22 | karsten | abrotman: You can still enjoy that under Linux if you *really* insist. |
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| 23:54.27 | abrotman | karsten: i know :) |
| 23:55.02 | peterS | abrotman: I hated olwm, I was in a mwm / tvtwm mode at the time |
| 23:55.22 | abrotman | peterS: i used to spend hours playing with solaris when i first found it |
| 23:55.28 | abrotman | but i was a user .. so only so much i could do |
| 23:55.33 | peterS | indeed |
| 23:55.42 | karsten | I used twm/mwm under Solaris myself. |
| 23:55.52 | karsten | s/Solaris/SunOS/ |
| 23:56.22 | pipeline | abrotman: solaris 2.3 didn't have X11 :) |
| 23:56.37 | peterS | pipeline: eh, how do you figure? what do you think OpenWindows was/ |
| 23:56.40 | abrotman | i'm pretty damn sure it was 2.3 |
| 23:56.40 | pipeline | abrotman: at least, not a proper X11. It was an X11 based around Sun's proprietary window system. |
| 23:56.47 | abrotman | oh .. whatever |
| 23:56.48 | abrotman | dork |
| 23:56.58 | karsten | There's a whole mess of systems here now with CDE. |
| 23:57.04 | karsten | Ugly, ugly, ugly. |
| 23:57.09 | abrotman | cde isn't much fun |
| 23:57.12 | abrotman | olwm is better IMO |
| 23:57.17 | abrotman | how did we get down this path! |
| 23:57.19 | pipeline | peterS: A new name for Sunview + NeWS :D |
| 23:57.27 | karsten | http://xwinman.org/screenshots/dtwm.gif |
| 23:57.45 | peterS | pipeline: and yet you could run X11 apps on it. and it had a login screen that looked very much like xdm. gee, I wonder how that was possible. |
| 23:57.46 | pipeline | Oh, I was wrong. Solaris 2.3 was the first version to have proper X11 support, not based around Sunview |
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| 23:57.52 | streuner | oh, looks like gnustep |
| 23:57.55 | pipeline | peterS: It was all very convoluted. |
| 23:58.05 | karsten | All the way: http://xwinman.org/screenshots/fvwm95.gif |
| 23:58.21 | karsten | streuner: That does *NOT* look like gnustep! |
| 23:58.41 | ttl- | abrotman: no i selected desktop environment and so with tasksel, what comes after the install of those packages ? |
| 23:58.49 | abrotman | ttl-: a login prompt ? |
| 23:58.49 | streuner | karsten: fvwm or gnustep (nextstep) looks to *me* the same |
| 23:59.24 | fungo | fvwm looks everything you want it to look |
| 23:59.40 | ttl- | abrotman: no it is a menu with a slider bar |
| 23:59.48 | ttl- | abrotman: dunno |
