| 00:00.22 | ttl- | abrotman: only the characters are colored blocks |
| 00:00.23 | abrotman | ttl-: what the heck are you asking me ? |
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| 00:00.39 | ttl- | abrotman: sorry |
| 00:00.45 | abrotman | ttl-: sounds like kdm? xdm? maybe ? |
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| 00:00.48 | karsten | streuner: http://windowmaker.info/imageview.php?cat=big&id=50 http://www.catb.org/~esr/fvwm2/bluesteel.png |
| 00:00.51 | karsten | streuner: Not to me. |
| 00:01.32 | ttl- | abrotman: dunno |
| 00:01.41 | abrotman | ttl-: what do you want to know? |
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| 00:02.18 | ttl- | abrotman: how to know what should be on the screen, a way to reset the gfx card dunno |
| 00:02.33 | en1gma | i just had something weird happen to my eth0.....all along its been 192,168.100.10 on both my working cable-modem and my non working cable-modem router (alternating devices and powering system on) and now i added another nic and plugged the non working internet cable-modem router into that eth1 and now my eth0 reports my external ip....anyhow i can get on net with that modem no problem... |
| 00:02.37 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 00:02.37 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 00:02.50 | en1gma | but what about eth1....its not showing an ip when i do an ifconfig -a |
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| 00:03.54 | ttl- | abrotman: thanks anyway, i think the best solution is to put in another vga card and install again |
| 00:04.01 | blackbart | The touchpad on my laptop used to work fine, but it stopped the other day. I don't see any errors in my Xorg.0.log. What else can I do? |
| 00:04.19 | abrotman | ttl-: just reconfigure X .. ctrl-alt-f1 .. login as root and |
| 00:04.22 | abrotman | !drxx ttl- |
| 00:04.22 | dpkg | ttl-: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 00:04.54 | ttl- | i'm using testing (lenny) |
| 00:05.02 | ttl- | :-) |
| 00:05.04 | ttl- | hehe |
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| 00:09.37 | ttl- | abrotman: i was a new install, i tried to reboot giving the reboot command but the system does not boot |
| 00:09.51 | abrotman | what happens ? |
| 00:09.55 | ttl- | i don't think thzere is a bootloader inqtalled |
| 00:10.03 | ttl- | anyway |
| 00:10.09 | ttl- | going to bed now |
| 00:10.13 | abrotman | uhm ok |
| 00:10.27 | ttl- | goodnight everyone and thanks for the help |
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| 00:10.45 | en1gma | this is my interfaces file |
| 00:10.46 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/631472 |
| 00:11.09 | ttl- | abrotman: it says error loading operating system |
| 00:11.12 | ttl- | lol |
| 00:11.24 | ttl- | goodnight |
| 00:11.26 | abrotman | that's not good |
| 00:11.28 | abrotman | okay .. night |
| 00:11.37 | en1gma | the cable modem should be assigning eth1 of 192.168.0.10 and its not |
| 00:12.52 | en1gma | do i need to do something to /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 00:17.29 | o2T7 | hi, |
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| 00:17.51 | o2T7 | my PC uses to hang pretty frecuently |
| 00:18.01 | o2T7 | This was with gmplayer |
| 00:18.04 | o2T7 | http://pastebin.com/m5c45687e |
| 00:18.16 | o2T7 | Do you think it could be a cpu problem? |
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| 00:19.40 | Kjikaqawej | ... |
| 00:19.42 | karsten | NicNac: Turn that off. |
| 00:19.54 | streuner | its OT either :-) |
| 00:20.17 | karsten | streuner: auch => also. |
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| 00:20.43 | streuner | karsten: its fine that you want learn german :-) |
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| 00:21.16 | karsten | streuner: Und es geht auch gut das du wirst Englisch gelernen. |
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| 00:24.12 | streuner | karsten: i need to read a english grammar book, but often i dont have enough time |
| 00:24.29 | abrotman | streuner: you don't say ... |
| 00:24.46 | abrotman | !tell NicNac about away |
| 00:25.24 | krazykit | german grammar is comparitively easy compared to english grammar :-/ |
| 00:25.32 | streuner | uh |
| 00:25.35 | zrin | lol |
| 00:25.52 | krazykit | except the articles rules, i suppose |
| 00:26.16 | karsten | krazykit: Sure, except for the gennders, cases, and articles. |
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| 00:26.45 | streuner | the nice thing is, if you learn some foreign grammar you learn the grammar of you native language then :-) |
| 00:27.01 | karsten | streuner: s/you/your/ |
| 00:27.24 | abrotman | karsten: s/gennders/genders/ |
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| 00:27.36 | krazykit | i didn't know the difference between active and passive voice til i took high school german >_> |
| 00:27.53 | karsten | krazykit: One frequently doesn't. |
| 00:28.01 | krazykit | meine deutsch is sehr schlecht. |
| 00:28.07 | krazykit | ist, even |
| 00:28.20 | o2T7 | Is there any reliable way to locate a hardware message? |
| 00:28.23 | powerpuffgirl | Du Hast! |
| 00:28.30 | streuner | hehe |
| 00:28.30 | powerpuffgirl | o2T7: dmesg? |
| 00:28.44 | streuner | o2T7: /var/log/messages? |
| 00:28.44 | krazykit | o2T7, what kind of message? |
| 00:28.47 | o2T7 | powerpuffgirl: No, I mean segfault errors |
| 00:28.56 | o2T7 | and hangings |
| 00:28.58 | karsten | o2T7: In general, kernel messages. |
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| 00:29.05 | karsten | o2T7: What hardware specifically? |
| 00:29.16 | o2T7 | karsten: I get EIP error messages |
| 00:29.25 | abrotman | o2T7: it depends .. not likely to be logged |
| 00:29.27 | karsten | o2T7: pastebin |
| 00:29.29 | o2T7 | http://pastebin.com/m5c45687e |
| 00:29.30 | karsten | !pastebin |
| 00:29.31 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
| 00:29.42 | o2T7 | but only now that the machine is worst |
| 00:30.17 | o2T7 | I did memtest to my ram modules with no errors |
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| 00:30.28 | o2T7 | and changed them one by the another |
| 00:30.34 | o2T7 | and still the same |
| 00:30.40 | abrotman | o2T7: does it happen with other apps ? |
| 00:30.45 | o2T7 | Yes |
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| 00:31.02 | o2T7 | abrotman: The most of the times at compile time |
| 00:31.11 | abrotman | overheat ? |
| 00:31.14 | o2T7 | with anything, kernel, modules, apps |
| 00:31.25 | powerpuffgirl | abort |
| 00:31.32 | karsten | o2T7: That's a pretty good sign of HW failures. If you've ruled out RAM (try same memory in a different system if possible), then you may have a bad CPU or mobo/socket. |
| 00:31.32 | o2T7 | On different systems |
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| 00:31.55 | o2T7 | Yes, karsten, RAM is fine |
| 00:31.58 | karsten | o2T7: Also check your caps (visually inspect capacitors). Any leaking or swelling, brown crud == very bad. |
| 00:32.36 | o2T7 | Oh, i couldn't understand that: caps and mobo/socket |
| 00:32.41 | o2T7 | sorry |
| 00:32.58 | CompWizrd | www.badcaps.net has good examples. |
| 00:33.15 | o2T7 | I have a look at it, ty |
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| 00:33.58 | mrsno__ | an old bp6 based server we had just blew its caps last year :-) ran great for ages then BOOM everything dead |
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| 00:34.59 | karsten | o2T7: Mounting HFS-formatted CD-ROMs by any chance? |
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| 00:35.20 | karsten | o2T7: HFS == Mac OS filesystem. |
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| 00:36.24 | o2T7 | karsten: no, i just use fat, ext3, swap and obsd filesystems |
| 00:36.33 | o2T7 | and iso 9660 for cd |
| 00:36.39 | karsten | o2T7: What's /var/log/messages have to say? |
| 00:36.48 | o2T7 | mm, nothing |
| 00:36.51 | en1gma | if the router has an ip of 192.168.0.1 and my nic is 192.168.0.10 would my netmask be 255.255.255.0 |
| 00:36.52 | karsten | o2T7: ... or /var/log/kern.log, or dmesg |
| 00:37.00 | karsten | en1gma: Maybe. |
| 00:37.03 | en1gma | lol |
| 00:37.08 | en1gma | thats what i was thinking |
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| 00:38.11 | loquitus_of_borg | How do I grep for a string among a bunch of files but not have grep spit out the actual matching strings... just the file names themselves? |
| 00:38.24 | stew | en1gma: it could be as small as 255.255.255.248 and as large as 255.255.0.0 |
| 00:38.28 | o2T7 | karsten: at /var/log/kern.log you can see the same that i put in pastebin but this: |
| 00:38.28 | o2T7 | Jul 24 00:48:28 localhost kernel: BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 8300543b |
| 00:38.42 | en1gma | what would the router be |
| 00:38.53 | en1gma | its a linksys router |
| 00:39.08 | en1gma | cable-modem/gateway but i dont have any cable hooked up to it |
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| 00:39.45 | karsten | en1gma: Your netmask could be anything with a CIDR greater than /3 |
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| 00:40.06 | en1gma | well i should be able to contact my gateway and its not letting me |
| 00:40.17 | en1gma | i just had it hooked upto eth0 and it worked great |
| 00:40.23 | karsten | en1gma: That's something you need to get from whomever configured your network. /24s are pretty common, but they're by no means the only option. |
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| 00:40.31 | en1gma | ok |
| 00:40.39 | en1gma | im configuring the network |
| 00:40.40 | en1gma | lol |
| 00:40.46 | karsten | o2T7: If you can paste more of that for context. |
| 00:40.52 | rahul | s t o n e d |
| 00:40.56 | karsten | o2T7: pastebin. |
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| 00:41.15 | en1gma | ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.10 netmask 255.255.255.0 up can i put dns in there too |
| 00:41.30 | karsten | en1gma: man 5 interfaces |
| 00:41.45 | karsten | en1gma: Or use your local DHCP server. Or answering your question: no. |
| 00:42.23 | en1gma | man can i have 2 gateways at the same time |
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| 00:42.36 | en1gma | yea that shouldnt be a prob should it |
| 00:42.46 | karsten | en1gma: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/NET3-4-HOWTO.html |
| 00:43.08 | karsten | en1gma: You can have lots and lots and lots of gateways. |
| 00:43.15 | en1gma | k |
| 00:43.25 | karsten | en1gma: Depending on how you configure things, that might work really well, or not at all. |
| 00:43.36 | karsten | en1gma: Read that guide. Really. |
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| 00:43.53 | o2T7 | karsten: http://pastebin.com/m188327a3 |
| 00:44.03 | karsten | en1gma: Chapters 5 & 6 specifically. |
| 00:44.06 | en1gma | k |
| 00:44.22 | en1gma | but this isnt making any sence i just had it working on eth0 |
| 00:44.44 | en1gma | maybe the internet needs to be hooked up to it for it to get an ip |
| 00:44.57 | en1gma | im not talking external of course |
| 00:45.07 | karsten | !network drill |
| 00:45.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, network drill is check NIC seating, link light, media (cable), configuration (ifconfig), gateway, route, forwarding on gateway, DNS resolution, local (LAN) and remote (forwarded) ping targets. |
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| 00:45.30 | karsten | en1gma: Which is a somewhat appropriate, somewhat distilled version of what you need to know. |
| 00:46.01 | _Rubyxx | hi all |
| 00:46.25 | en1gma | k |
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| 00:47.01 | karsten | i2How often are you seeing issues like that? Smells like harsdware or bad drivers. What was mplayer reading from at the time, do you know? |
| 00:47.06 | o2T7 | karsten: It is among a lot of atapi cdrom errors, but i think i catched the whole context |
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| 00:48.04 | ponyofdeath | hi, how can i get rsync to just quickly create just the directory structure of a rsync repo? |
| 00:48.17 | o2T7 | Even obsd, which didn't hang before, opens its debug console now. |
| 00:48.36 | karsten | o2T7: With luck, that's a seperate issue, but looks like you may have bad HW. If the other errors are related, you might also check drive cabling. |
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| 00:49.22 | karsten | ponyofdeath: Use tar and find -type d |
| 00:49.52 | o2T7 | Cables are new, drives also |
| 00:50.20 | o2T7 | I just keep the electric font and the cpu |
| 00:50.31 | o2T7 | even the motherboard was changed a time ago |
| 00:50.40 | ponyofdeath | karsten: no way with rsync i have port forwarding just for rsyncd |
| 00:50.49 | karsten | ponyofdeath: From top of tree to archive: tar cvf - $( find . -type d ) | ssh user@remotehost '(cd destdir; tar xvf -)' |
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| 00:51.01 | RyanRyan52 | I want to buy a cheap graphics card that has TV (composite or S-video) output. Does anybody have any recommendations for ones that work well with debian? |
| 00:51.05 | karsten | ponyofdeath: Dunno. RTFM. Tar's much easier in this case. |
| 00:51.18 | RyanRyan52 | **anybody |
| 00:51.29 | o2T7 | I thought about incompatibility between the atx and the cpu or the motherboard |
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| 00:51.50 | o2T7 | I use an atx-350 and a atx-400 |
| 00:51.57 | o2T7 | but fails with both |
| 00:52.08 | karsten | o2T7: Double-checkyour cable-seating, particularlhy if you've just assembled / modified the system. |
| 00:52.29 | solemnwarning | I've just installed vsftpd, should I set nopriv_user to the 'ftp' user that was created during install? |
| 00:52.33 | o2T7 | Yes, I did. What do you mean with "seating"? |
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| 00:52.51 | o2T7 | You mean that i should check that they are correctly plugged? |
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| 00:54.22 | karsten | o2T7: "reseating cables" == disconnect and reconne3ct cables, checking specifically to see that everything is plugged in securely, that there are no bent pins, corroded leads, etc. |
| 00:54.27 | karsten | Yes. |
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| 00:54.36 | o2T7 | ok ok |
| 00:54.47 | karsten | It's a surprisingly common failure mode, and one that's easy to check. |
| 00:54.52 | o2T7 | The other day i got surprised with vsftpd |
| 00:55.07 | o2T7 | After chrooting all users and restarting the service |
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| 00:55.26 | o2T7 | If you got in with a firefox, opera or konqueror you was chrooted |
| 00:55.36 | o2T7 | But ie got into my root filesystem |
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| 00:56.01 | o2T7 | you were* |
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| 01:03.05 | stoned | what |
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| 01:04.27 | MangosDebian | stoned: evenin' |
| 01:04.33 | stoned | hi buddy |
| 01:04.38 | CppIsWeird | how are screensavers invoked? aare they just normal executeables? |
| 01:04.52 | stoned | !screesaver |
| 01:04.58 | stoned | !screensaver |
| 01:05.01 | stoned | nothing? |
| 01:05.10 | CppIsWeird | such is the life of a stoner. |
| 01:05.54 | MangosDebian | CppIsWeird: i would imagine so. last time I checked, png's weren't very executable ;) |
| 01:06.17 | CppIsWeird | screen savers are not png's.... |
| 01:06.21 | CppIsWeird | not backgrounds. |
| 01:06.29 | MangosDebian | that was my point |
| 01:06.40 | stoned | CppIsWeird: I have a great idea. Fuck off. |
| 01:06.40 | CppIsWeird | ... you've lost me. |
| 01:06.42 | MangosDebian | nm, *zing* :) |
| 01:06.57 | MangosDebian | CppIsWeird: "aare they just normal executables?" |
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| 01:07.37 | loupgaroublond | is there a standard way to make python 2.5 the default in lenny? |
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| 01:09.04 | CppIsWeird | a screensaver is a png? is that not an image format? |
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| 01:09.19 | MangosDebian | nm, you didn't get it |
| 01:09.35 | CppIsWeird | guess not. |
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| 01:11.16 | CppIsWeird | nevermind, i figured it out. |
| 01:11.57 | MangosDebian | !+find xscreensaver |
| 01:11.58 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 01:12.04 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xscreensaver' (5 of 21): (/usr/bin/xscreensaver-gl-helper) in x11/xscreensaver-gl ;; (/usr/lib/cruft/filters-unex/xscreensaver) in admin/cruft ;; (/usr/share/doc/rss-glx/README.xscreensaver) in x11/rss-glx ;; (/usr/share/brightside/xscreensaver.png) in gnome/brightside ;; (/usr/share/doc/chbg/xscreensaver-howto.txt) in graphics/chbg. |
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| 01:12.21 | MangosDebian | CppIsWeird: try: file `which xscreensaver` |
| 01:12.32 | CppIsWeird | i found everything already. :) |
| 01:12.35 | MangosDebian | I hope that answers your second question |
| 01:12.42 | MangosDebian | ahh ok :) |
| 01:12.49 | CppIsWeird | but thanks for trying. :) |
| 01:13.20 | MangosDebian | ya, my attempts at humor suck sometimes :) thanks for trying to understand it though |
| 01:13.36 | stoned | CppIsWeird: and don't judge people without knowing them. |
| 01:13.39 | CppIsWeird | lol. no worries. i've been there a few times. |
| 01:13.53 | MangosDebian | its all good |
| 01:14.01 | MangosDebian | stoned: ^^ |
| 01:14.07 | CppIsWeird | stoned: you think im an asshole? |
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| 01:14.33 | MangosDebian | CppIsWeird: nah, chalk that up to net delay and forget about it :) |
| 01:14.34 | stoned | probably not. but that was an assholish statement. |
| 01:14.49 | stew | CppIsWeird: stoned: take it elsewhere |
| 01:15.20 | CppIsWeird | anywho, before one stirs up more trouble. Good-day. |
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| 01:15.41 | MangosDebian | *rawr* |
| 01:16.15 | stoned | MangosDebian: you alright? |
| 01:16.40 | MangosDebian | stoned: just thought of something thats all ;) |
| 01:16.55 | stoned | MangosDebian: so whats with the mangos? |
| 01:17.08 | MangosDebian | stoned: never heard of mangos wow server? |
| 01:17.15 | stoned | nope |
| 01:17.41 | stoned | I like the fruit, and thats the only mango I know of |
| 01:17.43 | MangosDebian | ahh, #mmorpg-dev. open source clone of the blizzard server. still needs wow client though. was in there helping out for a bit |
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| 01:18.04 | CppIsWeird | erm, one has another question. |
| 01:18.09 | stoned | I can't dig mmog |
| 01:18.24 | stoned | CppIsWeird: ask and ye shall receive |
| 01:18.27 | CppIsWeird | how does one execute a screen saver into fullscreen mode? it only seems to run in a window |
| 01:18.46 | MangosDebian | stoned: well, i did spend 2 years playing wow :) After I quit I figured why not get back into things with some compile/db practice that is mangos |
| 01:19.18 | stoned | MangosDebian: i see. I play single player games like morrowind or oblivion. No online stuff there, just modding to learn |
| 01:19.33 | stoned | and graphics designing, rendering, models and meshes etc. |
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| 01:20.04 | stoned | I did run a few servers for diablo 2 realm for this mod calle Zy El |
| 01:20.06 | timma | I copied a whole drive with dd instead of the partition. is there a way to mount the drive image the mount the partition on it? |
| 01:20.13 | MangosDebian | stoned: well, sucks its windows only game unless you use wine (which they only allowed like last year without perm ban). But it was an experience. 40 man raids on vent/teamspeak were cool |
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| 01:20.34 | stoned | MangosDebian: nethack |
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| 01:20.39 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 01:20.43 | stoned | MangosDebian: in fact, TOME is better imo |
| 01:20.46 | stoned | maybe |
| 01:20.49 | stew | timma: yeah, you can mount with the "offset" option to loop, but you'll have to google to figure out exactly what offset to use |
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| 01:22.21 | MangosDebian | timma: mbr and partitions are all 512byte offsets iirc. well, I know mbr is at least |
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| 01:23.35 | Zemus | Can someone throw me a repository with the w32codecs in it? |
| 01:23.39 | Zemus | I'm using etch. |
| 01:23.57 | krazykit | !debian-multimedia |
| 01:23.57 | dpkg | well, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 01:24.06 | Zemus | krazykit: thanks :) |
| 01:24.33 | MangosDebian | rahul: so, did you finally get your question answered now from few weeks ago? :) |
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| 01:24.46 | rahul | which question? |
| 01:24.56 | MangosDebian | . o O (hehe, i bet he forgets) |
| 01:25.09 | MangosDebian | old buddies! |
| 01:25.22 | rahul | how many penices would a penix strike if a penix could strike penix? |
| 01:25.35 | MangosDebian | lol, close enough :) |
| 01:25.47 | stoned | dude... what? |
| 01:25.48 | krazykit | rahul, only one, of course. once the penix strikes, it doesn't resurrect. it's no phoenix |
| 01:25.59 | rahul | HEH. |
| 01:26.00 | MangosDebian | ill never tell :p |
| 01:26.21 | stoned | rahul: where you been? |
| 01:26.28 | rahul | chillin |
| 01:26.39 | stoned | word man |
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| 01:28.40 | MangosDebian | rahul: 2007-06-26 22:51:07 EST :) |
| 01:28.45 | timma | stew I think I found something http://edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/linux_loopback.html |
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| 01:31.42 | rdz | anyone knows how the cpu fan is controlled on an asus laptop? |
| 01:32.11 | en1gma | hey all i been having probs getting my linksys lne100tx 5.1 nic working....i just "ADDED" it to my system do i need to modprobe or shouldnt the kernel module automatically detect it and do it for me |
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| 01:33.21 | Led_Zeppelin | is there a way to rescan the I/O boards for new disks? |
| 01:33.38 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: are the cards hot-pluggable ? |
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| 01:34.11 | MangosDebian | Led_Zeppelin: I know theres a scsi command to rescan, not sure about ide/sata though. maybe sata though if it uses scsi |
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| 01:35.22 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman, jfiber cards |
| 01:35.38 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman, not hotpluggable cards, but hot pluggable children devs |
| 01:35.41 | en1gma | yea i see tulip is in lsmod |
| 01:35.49 | en1gma | god dang why isnt this card working |
| 01:35.50 | en1gma | grrrrr |
| 01:36.33 | en1gma | 1 min brb |
| 01:36.37 | MangosDebian | Led_Zeppelin: apt-cache show scsiadd? |
| 01:36.56 | MangosDebian | pretty sure thats what I used for my hot swaps |
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| 01:37.44 | Led_Zeppelin | MangosDebian, this is for adding new LUNs. I want to rescan my system to see if SAN has given me new LUNs |
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| 01:38.45 | MangosDebian | Led_Zeppelin: it might apply to lun's, i never tried that though, only drives |
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| 01:39.28 | MangosDebian | Led_Zeppelin: it does say "unless it's sepcifically designed to be hot swappable" though for hardware |
| 01:39.50 | MangosDebian | besides, whats another 48k :) |
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| 01:44.12 | MangosDebian | or did i? hmmm, seem to recall playing with a linux cli tool to manage my raid devices before. Just don't remember specifics, seem to think I did add/remove lun's as I made new raid arrays. sorry couldn't give you 100% though |
| 01:44.42 | CompWizrd | MangosDebian: tw_cli, maybe? |
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| 01:45.16 | kramed | what debian package contains apache2.conf ?? |
| 01:45.27 | MangosDebian | CompWizrd: no, that doesnt ring a bell. im pretty sure I used scsiadd to rescan. just think it picked up everything fine for somereason. but who knows, thats like 3 or 4 years ago |
| 01:45.39 | stoned | is there a way to clear whats been caches in the memory ? |
| 01:45.45 | stoned | cached* |
| 01:46.00 | MangosDebian | CompWizrd: mind you megaraid support is pretty decent too so who knows what other cards might be like |
| 01:46.32 | MangosDebian | kramed: apache2.2-common here |
| 01:47.13 | kramed | I deleted my corrupt conf but it wont reinstall it |
| 01:47.13 | MangosDebian | stoned: seem to recall some kinda of echo "1" > /proc/???? for that. vm something perhaps? |
| 01:47.30 | MangosDebian | kramed: what command did you use? |
| 01:47.56 | kramed | I purged the package and reinstalled it with apt-get |
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| 01:49.45 | MangosDebian | kramed: apache2.2-common? |
| 01:50.03 | kramed | yes, this is driving me nuts |
| 01:50.06 | MangosDebian | kramed: should be like: apt-get install --reinstall apache2.2-common i would think should do it |
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| 01:50.15 | abrotman | ah .. no |
| 01:50.22 | abrotman | !tell kramed about confmiss |
| 01:50.24 | MangosDebian | no? |
| 01:50.28 | abrotman | and yes .. it's apache2.2-common |
| 01:50.43 | MangosDebian | i thought reinstall would add it again if it was missing though? *shrug* |
| 01:50.49 | abrotman | nope .. not conf files |
| 01:51.06 | MangosDebian | heh, you can tell how often I need to reinstall |
| 01:51.37 | abrotman | it's not just reinstall .. it's to get back a conf file you've munged |
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| 01:52.14 | kramed | abrotman: that did it, thank you |
| 01:52.28 | MangosDebian | but if you remove a conf file and do a purge on a package, it wont forget the package state? or do any left over conf files cause it to skip it? |
| 01:52.31 | abrotman | kramed: have a nice day! |
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| 01:53.18 | abrotman | MangosDebian: if you purge .. it will remove(or attempt to) remove conf files that it says it controls .. but not all are in .conffiles |
| 01:53.41 | nsx | anyone found a way to watch these cnn debates in linux? |
| 01:53.59 | MangosDebian | thanks for the tip |
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| 01:54.27 | MangosDebian | presidential debates i assume? |
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| 01:55.21 | abrotman | nsx: with flash |
| 01:55.38 | abrotman | nsx: or you mean the streaming stuff from cnn.com ? |
| 01:55.48 | maasha | How to compile and install a lib _with_ header files (libxml2) (corresponding to a -dev package)? |
| 01:55.58 | nsx | the streaming stuff |
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| 01:57.07 | abrotman | nsx: you'd need the w32codecs |
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| 01:57.42 | nsx | I have them |
| 01:58.01 | nsx | the cnn live video player is what's screwing up |
| 01:58.14 | karsten | abrotman: There is no try. |
| 01:58.15 | nsx | if I just knew the mms:// url, I'd be fine |
| 01:58.19 | karsten | abrotman: There is only beer. |
| 01:58.41 | gravity | Don't say such things! |
| 01:58.45 | gravity | There's clearly whiskey |
| 01:58.48 | binaryluo | Hello. My Debian can't mount usb disk after upgrade hal and pmount. |
| 01:58.58 | MangosDebian | gravity: aye, ill drink to that |
| 01:59.01 | binaryluo | There is I/O error |
| 01:59.07 | nsx | cnn goes out of its way to ensure that only people with wmp can view their videos, it seems |
| 01:59.20 | karsten | gravity: whiskey is essence of beer. |
| 01:59.20 | nsx | its = their |
| 01:59.21 | gravity | What about the youtube thing they were hyping up? |
| 01:59.27 | abrotman | nsx: the stuff on the front page is flash |
| 02:00.08 | MangosDebian | nsx: I had a windows box with troubles viewing cnn. one machine was fine, but another was black screen. Ended up going to flash settings and removed the cache info for cnn.com that appeared there and it seemed to fix it if that helps |
| 02:00.22 | nsx | abrotman: http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream1 |
| 02:00.25 | nsx | that's the live link |
| 02:00.31 | MangosDebian | nsx: although it took me to adobe.com www page to actually edit the settings |
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| 02:00.49 | nsx | it does not use flash |
| 02:01.06 | MangosDebian | odd, one I viewed on cnn was flash |
| 02:01.24 | nsx | yes, there are those. they are not live, though. |
| 02:01.33 | MangosDebian | ahh, sorry then |
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| 02:02.10 | nsx | eh actually, the live debates just stopped, it seems. |
| 02:02.10 | nsx | oh well |
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| 02:02.17 | nsx | I'd still like to know how to get around it, though |
| 02:02.19 | nsx | just for the hell of it |
| 02:02.20 | abrotman | nsx: no workie here |
| 02:02.28 | MangosDebian | nsx: in windows firefox: "Ooops! You need Turner Media Plugin to view this video...." |
| 02:02.30 | abrotman | though .. if it's over .. i can't test it i guess |
| 02:02.36 | binaryluo | Anybody can help me? |
| 02:02.39 | nsx | abrotman: there are other live links you might be able to test |
| 02:02.59 | nsx | basically, cnn uses a plethora of obscure java script code |
| 02:03.08 | TravellingSalesM | hi, is there anyway to find the definition of a variable in vim, from multiple files (i am looking into kernel and want to find where a specific variable is defined) |
| 02:03.29 | gravity | TravellingSalesM: You want to use tags |
| 02:03.32 | nsx | that's as difficult as possible to read, and which uses a lot of unnecessary function calls, and concatenation of variables set in various places |
| 02:03.44 | gravity | TravellingSalesM: Read up on the ctags program |
| 02:04.05 | TravellingSalesM | gravity: thx, so it is possible? |
| 02:04.09 | gravity | TravellingSalesM: Sure |
| 02:04.09 | MangosDebian | nsx: and I bet the webmaster still makes more than 100k :) |
| 02:04.12 | nsx | but eventually, all that leads to a .asx file |
| 02:04.14 | abrotman | nsx: i can honestly say i've had better luck watching those feeds from linux than from windows :) |
| 02:04.15 | nsx | which contains a mms:// link |
| 02:04.39 | gravity | TravellingSalesM: You want to use ctags to generate the tags file and have vim use that file to let you navigate the source. |
| 02:04.48 | nsx | abrotman: odd, I've found lots of forums complaining about it.. there's a greasemonkey script out there that's designed to get around their restrictions, too |
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| 02:05.11 | SeriaMau | hi |
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| 02:05.16 | TravellingSalesM | gravity: thx, i'm going to look for that |
| 02:05.42 | SeriaMau | is there a way to use an etch install cd to only install grub into the mbr of a disk? |
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| 02:05.45 | magyar | hi, i'm trying to create a 15GB partition on a 36GB drive using fdisk. If i put 15000M for primary partition size it errors out with "Out of range" any ideas? |
| 02:05.55 | SeriaMau | i dont want to install the base system |
| 02:06.21 | abrotman | someone should strangle cnn |
| 02:06.29 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 02:06.30 | abrotman | SeriaMau: in the faq .. yes |
| 02:06.31 | abrotman | !rescue |
| 02:06.31 | dpkg | hmm... rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>. |
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| 02:07.13 | MangosDebian | magyar: cfdisk perhaps less hassle? |
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| 02:08.13 | MangosDebian | magyar: unless your making a logic part bigger than its extended container or something perhaps? |
| 02:08.27 | nsx | yeah |
| 02:08.29 | nsx | or bomb them |
| 02:08.39 | nsx | the cnn center is only an hour away from me |
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| 02:08.43 | nsx | someone just send me a bomb |
| 02:09.13 | krazykit | it's painfully easy to make a bomb :-/ |
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| 02:09.22 | magyar | MangosDebian: thanks for cfdisk, works well |
| 02:09.24 | nsx | one large enough to take out the cnn center? |
| 02:09.26 | nsx | haha |
| 02:09.29 | SeriaMau | abrotman: afaics there's no option to install grub as bootloader without a debian install already on hd, right? |
| 02:09.35 | MangosDebian | magyar: i think so :) |
| 02:09.44 | nsx | you know, in a channel this large, there's bound to be someone with close ties to federal officials! |
| 02:09.45 | abrotman | SeriaMau: dunno .. there's also a grub floppy |
| 02:10.08 | nsx | probably even close ties to cnn |
| 02:10.16 | SeriaMau | abrotman: floppies? |
| 02:10.23 | abrotman | !floppy |
| 02:10.23 | mikez0r | I accidentally removed the program the program that appears in the top right of the screen that shows you what connection your using...also, my net card doesn't automatically connect to the local net anymore...what package did I uninstall? |
| 02:10.23 | dpkg | [etch floppies] http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want lenny/testing change "etch" to "lenny". |
| 02:10.25 | MangosDebian | nsx: heh, im better about 500 or so bots here are company/government and multinet for redundancy to avoid lost log issues on splits :) |
| 02:10.26 | SeriaMau | ok... ^^ |
| 02:10.31 | abrotman | !grub floppy |
| 02:10.31 | dpkg | grub floppy image is, like, ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
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| 02:10.49 | SeriaMau | i dont have any floppies here (and i wont buy some!) |
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| 02:11.00 | abrotman | so use a livecd |
| 02:11.06 | SeriaMau | yeah |
| 02:11.18 | Kevin` | it's very easy to make a grub iso |
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| 02:11.25 | Kevin` | one file |
| 02:11.51 | SeriaMau | it's just that the k14 hurd installer unfortunately doesnt install grub |
| 02:12.02 | SeriaMau | Kevin`: ok, i'll look into it. thanks |
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| 02:21.23 | MangosDebian | s/better/betting/ rather |
| 02:21.32 | mikez0r | How can I see a list of all connected hardware? |
| 02:21.41 | MangosDebian | lspci? |
| 02:21.45 | mikez0r | ty |
| 02:23.14 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 02:23.14 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 02:25.11 | MangosDebian | wow, almost 4k nick's that have joined #debian but havent spoke in the last month or so :/ |
| 02:25.52 | rahul | we're being infiltrated by spies!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:26.07 | abrotman | rahul: everyone knows what you've been doing .. you keep telling us about it |
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| 02:31.17 | MangosDebian | rahul: i have about 3820 nicks registering a join to the channel without messages ever compared to 3729 distinct nick's with messages in the channel |
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| 02:31.23 | haxality | hi all |
| 02:31.34 | haxality | I'm having trouble getting cpu frequency scaling working on my laptop. |
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| 02:32.28 | krazykit | haxality, what processor? |
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| 02:32.37 | haxality | pentium M 1.4GHz |
| 02:32.47 | krazykit | haxality, modprobe p4_clockmod |
| 02:32.49 | haxality | and it's compiled into my kernel, I am certain of this |
| 02:32.56 | amphi | krazykit: er, no |
| 02:33.04 | krazykit | oh crap |
| 02:33.06 | krazykit | pentium |
| 02:33.08 | krazykit | i read celeron |
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| 02:33.12 | amphi | haxality: speedstep_centrino is what you want |
| 02:33.22 | amphi | haxality: what governator are you using? |
| 02:33.43 | haxality | I *think* userspace, but I'm not quite certain |
| 02:33.48 | oramirez | I am having this issue. mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22.1 2.6.22.1 |
| 02:33.48 | oramirez | cp: cannot stat `(0x00100000)': No such file or directory |
| 02:33.48 | oramirez | run-parts: /usr/share/initrd-tools/scripts/e2fsprogs exited with return code 1 |
| 02:34.19 | stew | oramirez: don't use mkinitrd with newer kernels, use either initramfs-tools or yaird |
| 02:34.23 | haxality | what's a quick way to test if it's working? |
| 02:34.31 | MangosDebian | !test |
| 02:34.32 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 02:34.39 | MangosDebian | haxality: sorry, no good |
| 02:34.43 | haxality | haha |
| 02:34.45 | haxality | curses! |
| 02:34.51 | haxality | I guess I'll have to try again. |
| 02:34.54 | MangosDebian | ;) |
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| 02:35.11 | freight_ | Unstable with eGroupWare from experimental. All pear packages updated. Install goes fine, configuration page complains about /var/lib/egroupware/default/files being in webserver's docroot, when I know damned well docroot is /var/www/. google and #egroupware are 0 to negative added value. |
| 02:35.22 | freight_ | Can someone offer me a suggestion on the above? |
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| 02:36.15 | amphi | haxality: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 02:36.16 | haxality | amphi: yes, it's userspace |
| 02:36.30 | amphi | haxality: try ondemand or conservative |
| 02:36.50 | amphi | haxality: userspace you must adjust the frequency yourself |
| 02:36.55 | haxality | heh, now my other, related question.. how do I change the governor? |
| 02:37.05 | freight_ | Vote someone else in. |
| 02:37.11 | freight_ | Sorry.. couldn't resist. |
| 02:37.14 | haxality | >_< |
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| 02:37.33 | haxality | it's alright, I'm glad debian users at least have a sense of humor, even if it's a bit corny :P |
| 02:37.33 | amphi | haxality: echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
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| 02:38.14 | freight_ | I am so humorless I have to stretch for the lowhanging fruit of jest. |
| 02:38.15 | amphi | haxality: cat scaling_available_governors to see what options you have |
| 02:38.15 | haxality | amphi: got a permission denied error |
| 02:38.18 | haxality | ah. |
| 02:38.26 | amphi | haxality: rootiness FTW |
| 02:38.32 | haxality | sudo isn't enough? |
| 02:38.51 | Strogg | I want to build my own version of an existing debian package. How do you alter the version number so that apt will install your package in preference to the one in the repo? |
| 02:38.53 | haxality | ahhh. |
| 02:38.56 | haxality | I learned something new. |
| 02:39.24 | haxality | hmm. |
| 02:39.40 | haxality | scaling_available_frequencies just shows one speed, though. |
| 02:40.01 | abrotman | Strogg: in the rules file iirc .. you'll want to place the package on hold likely (/msg dpkg hold) |
| 02:40.01 | amphi | haxality: that's not good |
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| 02:40.09 | haxality | hmmm. |
| 02:40.19 | Strogg | hrmmmm ok.. thanks.. I'll take a look |
| 02:40.20 | haxality | this is frustrating, because I remember I had this working at one point |
| 02:40.50 | amphi | haxality: it should, I think, have from 600MHz to 1400MHz in 200MHz increments (I have a 1.6GHz here) |
| 02:41.00 | haxality | yeah, that's what I remember from before |
| 02:41.12 | amphi | haxality: what governator are you using now? |
| 02:41.22 | oramirez | stew, thank you :) |
| 02:41.28 | haxality | amphi: ondemand |
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| 02:42.17 | haxality | if it's at all relevant, I'm using a semi-obscure toshiba laptop |
| 02:42.32 | amphi | haxality: is speedstep_centrino a module there? |
| 02:42.39 | haxality | yeah, it loaded fine |
| 02:42.57 | amphi | haxality: freq_table is also loaded? |
| 02:43.18 | haxality | yes |
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| 02:44.33 | amphi | not sure then |
| 02:44.37 | haxality | grrr |
| 02:44.40 | haxality | thanks for trying, at least |
| 02:45.03 | amphi | haxality: maybe modprobe -r speedstep_centrino, and modprobe it again (vain hope ;) |
| 02:45.10 | haxality | yeah. |
| 02:46.30 | haxality | mayhaps I'll just build a new kernel, I've been meaning to for a while anyways |
| 02:46.39 | amphi | haxality: with that cpu, you might be interested in https://www.dedigentoo.org/trac/linux-phc/wiki |
| 02:47.30 | haxality | oh, cool |
| 02:47.30 | haxality | thanks |
| 02:47.55 | haxality | there's one thing in the bios I'm gonna mess with, might fix it. |
| 02:47.58 | amphi | haxality: it works well here, knocked about 20C off cpu temp under load |
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| 02:50.44 | Mnabil__ | hello, any body can recommend me a laptop from those ( sony vaio , thinkpad xseries , Hp pavillion DV series) |
| 02:51.28 | Mnabil__ | sorry but iwanna advice |
| 02:51.35 | Strogg | friend of mine has a thinkpad x40 (or 41?) works good with debian |
| 02:51.55 | Strogg | don't know anything about the others |
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| 02:52.58 | Strogg | Mnabil__: check out http://thinkwiki.org it's a good thinkpad site. |
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| 02:55.28 | woal | got this error when i run 'apt-get update': W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org testing/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 02:56.09 | woal | what is the problem? is it serious since it is only a warning? |
| 02:56.45 | woal | where are all the debianers? |
| 02:58.13 | woal | no help? |
| 02:58.34 | OmnipotentEntity | Does anyone here know where I can find a doc on setting up a network bridge? |
| 02:58.54 | OmnipotentEntity | Does anyone here know where I can find a doc on setting up a network bridge? |
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| 02:59.28 | amphi | Mnabil__: I'd go for the stinkpad, myself |
| 02:59.41 | amphi | Mnabil__: no contest |
| 02:59.59 | Mnabil__ | amphi, stinkpad !! |
| 03:00.48 | woal | nobody here knows anything. |
| 03:01.04 | woal | they know ain't nothing. |
| 03:01.41 | OmnipotentEntity | dpkg> Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 03:01.42 | dpkg | OmnipotentEntity: okay |
| 03:01.49 | Mnabil__ | amphi, are you joking on mr ot somethin ? |
| 03:01.55 | Mnabil__ | *or |
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| 03:02.37 | OmnipotentEntity | woal, read the topic, "PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key" |
| 03:02.53 | DragonD | i'm having problems with installing flashplugin-nonfree i keep getting "md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz" |
| 03:02.55 | woal | OmnipotentEntity, thks, how to ask dpkg about <etch key>? |
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| 03:03.10 | MangosDebian | !forget seeing "there. |
| 03:03.10 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'seeing "there.' to forget, MangosDebian |
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| 03:03.24 | MangosDebian | !forget seeing "there |
| 03:03.24 | dpkg | MangosDebian: i forgot seeing "there |
| 03:03.31 | blow_fish | does anyone here know what the max attachment size for gmail? |
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| 03:03.55 | OmnipotentEntity | woal, reading over it again, it looks like a bad upload or download. |
| 03:03.59 | OmnipotentEntity | Redownload the package. |
| 03:04.07 | Mnabil__ | blow_fish, 10 mb i think |
| 03:04.13 | blow_fish | hum |
| 03:04.14 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: whats this now? |
| 03:04.24 | OmnipotentEntity | <woal> got this error when i run 'apt-get update': W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org testing/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 03:04.30 | blow_fish | i am trying to load a 430mb file |
| 03:04.36 | blow_fish | LOL silly me huh |
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| 03:05.13 | OmnipotentEntity | Does anyone here know where I can find a doc on setting up a network bridge? |
| 03:05.22 | DragonD | was there an update to flash 9 or flashplugin-nonfree? cause i'm getting "md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz" |
| 03:05.51 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: you may wish to verify your archives. that doesnt sound too good |
| 03:05.57 | Mnabil__ | blow_fish, either you upload spaces like rapid share after spliting , or you can split the files using ( #split ) into small files, but this sol is (silly) |
| 03:06.11 | OmnipotentEntity | MangosDebian, it's not my archives, it's woal's. >_> |
| 03:06.32 | OmnipotentEntity | I'm just trying to figure out how to bridge my network connection. |
| 03:06.46 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: ahh sorry |
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| 03:06.54 | OmnipotentEntity | MangosDebian, No prob. :D |
| 03:06.58 | haxality | hello again.. |
| 03:07.17 | MangosDebian | haxality: hello |
| 03:07.17 | haxality | amphi: I have another question for you. I'm building a new kernel and I was wondering which processor archetecture I should select. |
| 03:07.31 | haxality | I figured Pentium M, but am I wrong? |
| 03:08.07 | haxality | there's also Pentium 4-M |
| 03:08.14 | haxality | but I'm pretty sure Pentium M is right |
| 03:08.55 | MangosDebian | !+brctl |
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| 03:09.01 | MangosDebian | !+find brctl |
| 03:09.02 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 03:09.06 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'brctl' (3): (/usr/sbin/brctl) in net/bridge-utils ;; (/usr/share/zsh/4.3.4/functions/Completion/Linux/_brctl) in shells/zsh ;; (/usr/share/zsh-beta/4.3.4-dev-0/functions/Completion/Linux/_brctl) in shells/zsh-beta. |
| 03:09.20 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: perhaps the bridge-utils package readme is good enough for you? |
| 03:09.27 | MangosDebian | s/readme/docs/ |
| 03:09.45 | OmnipotentEntity | Yes, that would be wonderful. /usr/share/docs? |
| 03:09.59 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: after you install the package yes, in the <package name> dir |
| 03:10.25 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: although man brctl man be sufficient for you perhaps? |
| 03:10.40 | haxality | does anyone know? |
| 03:10.47 | OmnipotentEntity | No, I actually managed to cut myself off of the internet by only reading the man. |
| 03:11.42 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: it should dc you from irc if you had an existing connection using the nic before you setup the bridge |
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| 03:12.01 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: you would need to reestablish your irc after the bridge is setup |
| 03:12.47 | MangosDebian | that reminds me, I need another nic in this box soon :/ |
| 03:13.26 | OmnipotentEntity | MangosDebian, you might be able to tell me if I'm barking up the wrong tree, what I want to do is to set my room up so that I have a computer connected via crossover to another computer with a wireless card. Both computers should be able to connect to the internet and be part of my local network. |
| 03:13.31 | OmnipotentEntity | Is this where I should be looking>? |
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| 03:14.13 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: I dont think a bridge is what you want if there are both linux boxes. just setup masquerading and use the first box as the gateway perhaps? |
| 03:14.29 | mikez0r | I'm having troubles with my wireless card...debian says the radio is turned off when it definitely is not |
| 03:14.36 | mikez0r | What tools can I use to check it out further? |
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| 03:15.02 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: brdige is more if you wanna mitm between 2 machines/devices or if you have 2 networks you wish to be able to talk to each other transparently |
| 03:15.10 | mikez0r | That is, what are the basic wi-fi tools? |
| 03:15.16 | Strogg | the output of building the ruby package is really freaking cool. I wish I knew what it meant. hehe |
| 03:15.20 | Strogg | mikez0r: iwconfig |
| 03:15.21 | OmnipotentEntity | Will the second box be connectible (the one without the wifi card)? |
| 03:15.26 | mikez0r | thanks Strogg |
| 03:16.00 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: I dont see why not. although firewalls and forwarding settings etc can affect your success |
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| 03:17.18 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: a bridge can still work, i just don't know if thats really needed for what your after. bridge is meant to be transparent way to connect say your wifi to the first box so packets appear as if they are on the same subnet/wire |
| 03:17.21 | drowe | hi folks. Could someone lend me a hand? I'm trying to get a WMP54G card (wireless, uses rt61pci module) working. Anyone familiar with that card / module? |
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| 03:19.29 | OmnipotentEntity | MangosDebian, so, does setting up masquerading involve setting up another subnet, and then port forwarding the services I need? |
| 03:19.37 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: and really, I wouldnt advise putting your wifi on the same subnet as your other machines. arp spoofing/takeovers is a major issue unless you setup static arp tables iirc |
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| 03:19.50 | drowe | is wlanctl-ng stuff required? It seems to fail when I try to configure my wireless card. |
| 03:20.10 | DragonD | ho do i copy out of a xterm? |
| 03:20.21 | DragonD | clipboard |
| 03:20.23 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: yes, you would use another subnet on the wifi side of the second box and then masq/snat the packets out to the gw which is your first box |
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| 03:20.35 | mo1991 | Can someone help me with vmware workstation installation? I am having trouble compiling the kernel modules that vmware requires. I have the source and headers installed and get this error during compilation |
| 03:20.46 | mo1991 | /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686/scripts/Kbuild.include: No such file or directory |
| 03:20.50 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: but you dont even need nat/masq if you just forward the packets to the gw and tell the wifi subnet what the gw is |
| 03:20.51 | mo1991 | can anyone help me? |
| 03:21.23 | OmnipotentEntity | mo1991, aptitude install kernel-headers-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 03:21.46 | mikez0r | Wireless nets are such a pain in the ass |
| 03:21.58 | mo1991 | OmnipotentEntity - the headers are installed for the kernel I am running |
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| 03:22.10 | OmnipotentEntity | mo1991, is build-essential? |
| 03:22.14 | mo1991 | that file above doesn't exist in the linux-headers-2.6etc directory |
| 03:22.49 | mo1991 | build essential also |
| 03:23.09 | mo1991 | the file Kbuild.include is not in the linux headers directory |
| 03:23.26 | mo1991 | only in the linux-source directory which I also installed just to see what happened |
| 03:23.45 | mo1991 | I have gone over several howto's but still am stuck |
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| 03:24.27 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: so are you setting up a dhcp server on the wifi link (ill call eth1#2, second nic machine 2) |
| 03:24.27 | cartesian1984 | When something in /etc/udev/rules.d/ is prefixed with a z, does it mean it's 'off'? |
| 03:24.30 | mo1991 | anyone have vmware up on etch? I have tried version 5 and 6 installs |
| 03:24.44 | krazykit | mo1991, i've had it on etch. |
| 03:25.14 | OmnipotentEntity | MangosDebian, no, I'm using static ips because I have a nameserver on this subnet and I configured it the lazy way. |
| 03:25.15 | krazykit | mo1991, i just used the install perl script, whatever the readme said, i think |
| 03:25.16 | mo1991 | krazykit - what did you have to do to get the modules for vmware to compile? |
| 03:25.29 | mo1991 | I have installed headers and source and get the error above? |
| 03:25.52 | OmnipotentEntity | mo1991, I have Kbuild.include in my directory. |
| 03:25.59 | OmnipotentEntity | But I use 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 03:26.02 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: nothing stopping you from putting one on the wifi link either though. but I think static is probably just a tad more secure in that it keeps noob's out :) |
| 03:26.06 | amphi | haxality: pentium m is a cpu option |
| 03:26.15 | OmnipotentEntity | And apt-file on Kbuild.include comes up with nothing. |
| 03:26.34 | krazykit | mo1991, i didn't do anything. i roll my own kernels and make debs. vmware installed just fine |
| 03:27.06 | mo1991 | krazykit - it is part of the vmware installation that tries to compile the vmware modules |
| 03:27.14 | OmnipotentEntity | MangosDebian, the wifi link is the one I connect my machine to the rest of my network with. |
| 03:27.22 | krazykit | mo1991, yeah, i've never had any problems, so i can't really troubleshoot what the deal is |
| 03:27.31 | mo1991 | usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686/scripts/Kbuild.include: No such file or directory |
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| 03:27.50 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: might wanna toss an ipsec on top of that then :) |
| 03:27.54 | mo1991 | that is the error I get - this file doesn't exist in the kernel-headers dir and the install program is looking for it |
| 03:28.18 | krazykit | mo1991, sounds like a problem. all of my headers directories have that file |
| 03:28.32 | OmnipotentEntity | Pretty much, my network is setup thusly, 192.168.0.1 -> wifi0 (ath0) on oberus -> eth1 on oberus -> eth0 on lilith. |
| 03:28.49 | MangosDebian | i suck at visualizing layouts ;( |
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| 03:28.57 | mo1991 | krazykit - in the scripts directory? |
| 03:29.07 | mo1991 | I just did a fresh install of kernel-headers |
| 03:29.13 | krazykit | mo1991, yeah. |
| 03:29.14 | mo1991 | do you use 64 bit? |
| 03:29.24 | krazykit | nope, shouldn't matter though |
| 03:29.32 | drowe | anyone good with wireless? specifically the rt61 driver? |
| 03:30.14 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: seems like you just wanna setup forwarding on your wifi0 and oberus.eth0 so it can just use lilith.eth0 as the gw |
| 03:30.33 | OmnipotentEntity | opposite way around. |
| 03:30.47 | OmnipotentEntity | lilith is the farthest from oberus's gateway. |
| 03:30.52 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: err, s/wifi0/oberus.eth0/ i think |
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| 03:31.10 | MangosDebian | well anyways, the 2 nics on the wifi router machine :) |
| 03:31.28 | mo1991 | krazykit - there is a symbolic link pointing to scripts that says "/usr/src/linux-kbuild-2.6.18/scripts" doesn't exist. |
| 03:31.31 | MangosDebian | to the far away gw machine |
| 03:31.42 | OmnipotentEntity | lilith.eth0 is connected via crossover to oberus.eth1. And oberus.wifi0 is connected to the gateway. |
| 03:31.48 | mo1991 | do I need to install the linux-kbuild package or something? |
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| 03:32.17 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: what are ou calling the gw? the internet ocnnect or the wifi router? |
| 03:32.57 | amphi | Mnabil__: no, 'stinkpad' is an affectionate nickname - I have a T42 here ATM |
| 03:33.12 | OmnipotentEntity | It's connected to a straight access point which goes to a switch which goes to moria (my router and gateway) |
| 03:33.22 | OmnipotentEntity | So... both. |
| 03:33.27 | OmnipotentEntity | logically. |
| 03:33.28 | mo1991 | think I was missing a src package |
| 03:33.32 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: bah, im gonna need pictures here if you keep adding names :) |
| 03:33.43 | cartesian1984 | Sorry to repost my question, but, when something in /etc/udev/rules.d/ is prefixed with a z, does it mean it's 'off'? |
| 03:33.45 | OmnipotentEntity | MangosDebian, pictures I can do. :D |
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| 03:34.12 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: lol, ascii flood the channel and ill buy you a beer :) |
| 03:34.24 | krazykit | /cowsay zomg flood |
| 03:34.51 | cartesian1984 | krazykit: is there really a cowsay in your client? |
| 03:35.12 | cartesian1984 | That sounds like something bitchx would have. |
| 03:35.14 | krazykit | cartesian1984, i'm sure there are irssi scripts for it. i usually use insub for it |
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| 03:36.35 | lhrrwcc | i`m about to try debian on an amd-64, i hope everything works fine |
| 03:37.19 | kenboo | lhrrwcc, it works just fine. |
| 03:37.20 | lhrrwcc | the only debian's problem is that is linux ;-) |
| 03:38.23 | lhrrwcc | kenboo, does it support zfs? |
| 03:38.29 | kenboo | how about Debian GNU/kFreeBSD? |
| 03:38.34 | lhrrwcc | (in installation) |
| 03:38.41 | kenboo | i don't know. |
| 03:38.52 | lhrrwcc | oh |
| 03:39.09 | lhrrwcc | i will use xfs64 then |
| 03:39.44 | lhrrwcc | what i doesn't see is a fvwm-crystal package for debian in the official rep (stable) |
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| 03:42.07 | dotz | hi i need this module usb-uhci .. but modprobe usb-uhci says FATAL: Module usb_uhci not found.. how do i install this module? |
| 03:42.42 | lhrrwcc | what kernel are u using? |
| 03:42.55 | MangosDebian | dotz: find /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ -type f -name usb\* show anything? |
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| 03:43.37 | dotz | yes.. quite a few |
| 03:43.46 | dotz | 2.6.17-11-generic ubuntu |
| 03:43.52 | MangosDebian | .... |
| 03:44.22 | MangosDebian | dotz: ubuntu isnt supported here, but that list should give you a starting point. gl |
| 03:44.37 | OmnipotentEntity | MangosDebian, http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/6210/networkpb6.gif |
| 03:44.40 | dotz | oh..... sorry sorry |
| 03:44.44 | MangosDebian | lol omni |
| 03:44.56 | kenboo | lhrrwcc, what would you like if not linux? |
| 03:45.09 | lhrrwcc | freebsd of course |
| 03:45.10 | OmnipotentEntity | :D |
| 03:45.55 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: so moria is a wifi router that makes your internet link? |
| 03:46.14 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: or that just a linux box acting as a router? |
| 03:46.17 | lhrrwcc | dotz, in the output of the command that MangosDebian provides, does it appears the module you are looking? |
| 03:46.42 | Kjikaqawej | that's an ubuntu kernel, s/he should go to #ubuntu... |
| 03:46.44 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: (you forgot to label the eth's ;p) |
| 03:46.44 | OmnipotentEntity | A linux box acting as a router with an access point on the same LAN'ed network. |
| 03:47.17 | lhrrwcc | if these are your rules :) |
| 03:47.21 | OmnipotentEntity | Right now moria is the only router on the network. |
| 03:47.42 | Kjikaqawej | not my rules, channel policy |
| 03:47.55 | lhrrwcc | by your i mean channel :) |
| 03:47.57 | dotz | lhrrwcc: no.. usb-uhci is missing still.. |
| 03:48.18 | Kjikaqawej | dotz: #ubuntu |
| 03:48.23 | stoned | hmm |
| 03:48.25 | stoned | rules |
| 03:48.41 | stoned | and policies |
| 03:48.42 | dotz | actually i just want to access my sandisk memory stick pro duo.. but when plugged in, /dev/sd* isn't there.. so i read a few forums saying this moduleneded |
| 03:48.43 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: so bridged/routed is the main question? |
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| 03:48.56 | dotz | its a internal card reader build-in in the laptop |
| 03:48.56 | stoned | Kjikaqawej: whats going on? |
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| 03:49.01 | OmnipotentEntity | yes, I'd love to be able to address lilith as 192.168.0.8 |
| 03:49.20 | OmnipotentEntity | But I didn't know if that was possible using a routed way. |
| 03:49.22 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: if so, I would say routed since theres not much point in bridging a single crossover box from lilith to oberus |
| 03:49.48 | Kjikaqawej | stoned: it's an ubuntu box, just saying s/he should go to the right place for the right help |
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| 03:50.07 | Kjikaqawej | blah, whatthefuckever |
| 03:50.11 | stoned | Kjikaqawej: you are correct in suggesting so |
| 03:50.15 | OmnipotentEntity | Because the main point of having lilith on the network is so I can ssh into it. It's acting as a FM radio transmitter so I don't have to run speaker wire through this house. |
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| 03:50.34 | OmnipotentEntity | But I also need to ssh into oberus because it's my main computer. |
| 03:50.35 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: oberus will forward packets from eth1->ath0 if you tell it to. but then you need to make sure moria will allow the ip. which should unless you firewall it not to it seems |
| 03:50.36 | stoned | who has the ubuntu box? |
| 03:50.40 | Kjikaqawej | i know i am, i've been in this channel for 5 years |
| 03:50.49 | Kjikaqawej | dotz |
| 03:51.02 | stoned | I like dot |
| 03:51.05 | stoned | she was soooo cute |
| 03:51.24 | stoned | didn't care for her brothers too much either |
| 03:51.35 | stoned | Kjikaqawej: you remeber the Animaniacs? |
| 03:51.43 | peterS | do you need to /nick wasted ? |
| 03:51.45 | dotz | i'm using the ubuntu.. wrong channel sorry.. |
| 03:51.52 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: seems like routed would be fine. although masq would work just as well. at least with routed you can kinda depend on your logs for accuracy of the machine involved though |
| 03:51.53 | dotz | but i thought people here are more technical :> |
| 03:51.56 | Kjikaqawej | not really no :/ |
| 03:51.57 | stoned | peterS: pinky and the brain? |
| 03:52.08 | stoned | ring bells? no? |
| 03:52.14 | peterS | I never watched the 'maniacs |
| 03:52.18 | stoned | o well. you must be a lot over than I |
| 03:52.18 | Kjikaqawej | rings bells, but never watched it |
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| 03:52.23 | stoned | ahh |
| 03:52.30 | peterS | I'm in the right age group, I just never did |
| 03:52.36 | stoned | hehe ok |
| 03:52.37 | MangosDebian | *narf* |
| 03:52.56 | OmnipotentEntity | gah, |
| 03:52.59 | peterS | when I think of dot it usually ends with com |
| 03:53.05 | stoned | heh |
| 03:53.06 | Kjikaqawej | heh |
| 03:53.14 | OmnipotentEntity | I'll have to work on this tomorrow, I have work in about 6 hours. |
| 03:53.24 | stoned | what do you do OmnipotentEntity ? |
| 03:53.37 | OmnipotentEntity | Don't laugh. Geek Squad. |
| 03:53.44 | stoned | why would I laugh |
| 03:53.46 | OmnipotentEntity | Thanks a ton, MangosDebian. |
| 03:53.50 | OmnipotentEntity | Because it's a crap job. |
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| 03:53.58 | stoned | its not a funny thing |
| 03:54.01 | stoned | its sad really |
| 03:54.07 | OmnipotentEntity | I know! ;_; |
| 03:54.08 | stoned | if you have a shitty job, its your fault. |
| 03:54.18 | stoned | should paid attention in school |
| 03:54.29 | MangosDebian | OmnipotentEntity: heh, well, have fun. although I seem to be noticing an issue with your subnet/ip on lilith. subnet it up and routed should do fine |
| 03:54.35 | Kjikaqawej | stoned: are you ok? |
| 03:54.49 | stoned | Kjikaqawej: I'm grand. I'm sick of people complaining about their lives |
| 03:54.58 | OmnipotentEntity | You asked. |
| 03:55.04 | OmnipotentEntity | Sheesh. |
| 03:55.08 | Kjikaqawej | ok, just wondering. you seemed out of character |
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| 03:55.31 | stoned | Kjikaqawej: strep throat |
| 03:55.52 | stoned | Kjikaqawej: and some woman immigration no marriage soon kinda pissed off bullshit |
| 03:55.53 | Kjikaqawej | that sucks. i suppose that's why you're bitchy tonight ;p |
| 03:55.55 | stoned | etc. |
| 03:56.06 | Kjikaqawej | ah ok |
| 03:56.12 | Kjikaqawej | compounded |
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| 03:56.30 | stoned | and naturalization form fees are going up by 1000$ at the end of the month |
| 03:56.38 | Kjikaqawej | O_O FUCK |
| 03:56.41 | stoned | yeh |
| 03:56.51 | stoned | from 400 to 1400 |
| 03:56.52 | lhrrwcc | would be fun to know what is stoned's job |
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| 03:57.02 | Kjikaqawej | would be different if we ran immigration, lemme tell ya |
| 03:57.06 | stoned | lol |
| 03:57.09 | MangosDebian | well, i understand +$1000 at least :) |
| 03:57.33 | Kjikaqawej | hehe |
| 03:57.35 | stoned | lhrrwcc: I do at work, what I would normally do at home if I were to stay home. |
| 03:57.51 | stoned | my job kicks ass, and it pays well |
| 03:57.57 | lhrrwcc | wow |
| 03:58.00 | lhrrwcc | congrats |
| 03:58.33 | stoned | Kjikaqawej: whats with the new name? or old name? |
| 03:58.36 | stoned | awe, ok bye |
| 03:58.52 | stoned | birthname? |
| 03:58.54 | Kjikaqawej | change of pace |
| 03:59.00 | stoned | cultural name? |
| 03:59.02 | stoned | oh ok |
| 03:59.07 | Kjikaqawej | related to the older nick, but my language |
| 03:59.22 | stoned | it means ravens or something? |
| 03:59.32 | Kjikaqawej | singualr |
| 03:59.37 | stoned | I see |
| 03:59.40 | stoned | nice |
| 03:59.43 | MangosDebian | is that simon?! |
| 03:59.56 | Kjikaqawej | :) |
| 04:00.00 | MangosDebian | :) |
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| 04:00.18 | MangosDebian | kisikew! |
| 04:00.21 | stoned | Kjikaqawej and MangosDebian, sittin in a tree |
| 04:00.23 | stoned | ... |
| 04:00.25 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 04:00.29 | stoned | hehe |
| 04:00.51 | MangosDebian | the cotenator :) </inside joke> |
| 04:00.51 | stoned | we used to have a mango tree |
| 04:01.02 | MangosDebian | wtf is a mangos? |
| 04:01.12 | stoned | in our frontyard |
| 04:01.23 | stoned | every summer it would have green mangos on it |
| 04:01.28 | Kjikaqawej | heh cool |
| 04:01.30 | stoned | we'd pick em all, and pickle em |
| 04:01.40 | Kjikaqawej | pickled? hm |
| 04:01.42 | stoned | wait for some of them to ripen and be yellow |
| 04:01.52 | stoned | yeh, we eat tht mango pickle with rice and naan and stuff |
| 04:02.00 | stoned | go to some paki/indian store and ask for mango pickle |
| 04:02.03 | stoned | its dilish |
| 04:02.09 | Kjikaqawej | oh, sounds yummy |
| 04:02.51 | Gnea | stoned: you are stoned. |
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| 04:03.21 | stoned | Gnea: yes, yes I am. |
| 04:03.27 | Gnea | :) |
| 04:03.32 | stoned | and about to cure my strepthroat with some bong hit |
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| 04:03.34 | stoned | s |
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| 04:03.41 | Gnea | stoned: i quit my job :P |
| 04:03.46 | stoned | congrats |
| 04:03.49 | MangosDebian | lol |
| 04:03.52 | stoned | now that you have |
| 04:03.57 | stoned | how was Hell? |
| 04:03.58 | MangosDebian | Gnea: fight the power! |
| 04:04.14 | Gnea | i think i'll move back there someday :) |
| 04:04.15 | stoned | Gnea: how long did you stay |
| 04:04.27 | stoned | Gnea: I quit after 6 months |
| 04:04.36 | semprix | guys how do i unmount my thumbdrive? its automount and im on fluxbox |
| 04:04.41 | MangosDebian | you guys work at the same place or something? |
| 04:04.42 | Gnea | stoned: 6 months. kind of wish i'd stayed longer, but i gotta take care of other things. |
| 04:04.44 | level1 | Hi, I've been having some trouble with my wireless. The driver is ipw3945, It didn't come with etch so I had to manually install it (I'm using lenny now). Wireless works great except that when I go into suspend and come out, the wireless is gone and the computer doesn't seem to be aware of the wireless card. I can resolute this by killing NetworkManager and restarting it. |
| 04:04.59 | MangosDebian | semprix: mount, find dev name and umount /media/<.....> |
| 04:05.08 | semprix | ok thanks |
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| 04:06.04 | Gnea | stoned: i was getting a bit sick of people with degrees who didn't know wtf they were doing trying to 1-up me and i was consistantly beating their scores into the ground... it was fun while it lasted |
| 04:06.30 | stoned | I was promoted twice but I still quit |
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| 04:06.48 | stoned | I felt immoral and dishonest there |
| 04:06.48 | Gnea | oh, i had the chance to rise too |
| 04:06.53 | stoned | horrible company to work for |
| 04:07.28 | Gnea | stoned: this is america dude, anything corporate is going to be/feel immoral and dishonest, you can't avoid it here |
| 04:07.50 | stoned | that is precisely why I am working for a local business |
| 04:07.54 | level1 | This is America! Learn to speak American! |
| 04:08.02 | Gnea | lol |
| 04:08.07 | MangosDebian | level1: $%#@ you! :) |
| 04:08.11 | Gnea | stoned: yeah, gotta start somewhere |
| 04:08.25 | stoned | few locations over NYC. I manage one of them. I watch youtube all day, listen to music, surf the intrawebs, and boss people arouns |
| 04:08.28 | stoned | around* |
| 04:08.50 | MangosDebian | stoned: anything good on you tube? |
| 04:08.55 | Gnea | i'm looking at the midwest right now. gonna get back to school. |
| 04:09.07 | semprix | MangosDebian, i dont find it from mount |
| 04:09.15 | stoned | I got the fuck outta oklahoma man |
| 04:09.19 | stoned | couldn't deal with it anymore |
| 04:09.20 | MangosDebian | semprix: you sure its mounted then? |
| 04:09.25 | semprix | yes |
| 04:09.33 | semprix | i can even copy files from it. |
| 04:09.43 | MangosDebian | semprix: cat /proc/mtab show it? |
| 04:09.50 | semprix | i issued the command mount on and after i plug it in |
| 04:09.51 | Gnea | stoned: i'm north of there (iowa) it's a bit more tolerable |
| 04:10.06 | MangosDebian | semprix: err /proc/mounts (duh) |
| 04:10.26 | semprix | MangosDebian, cat: /proc/mtab: No such file or directory |
| 04:10.31 | MangosDebian | ^^^ |
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| 04:10.57 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.13 | stoned | *cough* |
| 04:11.21 | MangosDebian | Gnea: not as accurate as /proc unless its a symlink no? |
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| 04:11.25 | semprix | got it |
| 04:11.26 | semprix | thanks |
| 04:11.34 | stoned | Symbiotic in theory |
| 04:11.42 | MangosDebian | for chroot ya :) |
| 04:11.45 | Gnea | MangosDebian: well, considering /proc/mtab simply has never existed... |
| 04:11.46 | stoned | but not in practice |
| 04:12.08 | Gnea | heh |
| 04:12.16 | stoned | Gnea: dude |
| 04:12.19 | stoned | seriously |
| 04:12.27 | stoned | wtf is with the nickname? |
| 04:12.34 | Gnea | ? |
| 04:12.38 | stoned | for years now i've been trying to figure out how to say it |
| 04:12.42 | stoned | guhneea |
| 04:12.44 | stoned | knee? |
| 04:12.45 | stoned | wtf? |
| 04:12.48 | Gnea | Knee-Ah |
| 04:12.52 | stoned | why? |
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| 04:13.17 | Gnea | why not? |
| 04:13.22 | stoned | what does it mean? |
| 04:13.40 | MangosDebian | "Lil' Sizziling belle" |
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| 04:13.46 | MangosDebian | belly* :) |
| 04:13.52 | stoned | is it just a random sound effect? |
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| 04:14.10 | MangosDebian | oh c'mon! nobody caught that one? |
| 04:14.12 | wastr2 | does anyone know which package has the 'ip' binary |
| 04:14.41 | Gnea | it was a female character from robotech II, her disposition was quite attractive so i just went with it |
| 04:14.45 | stoned | hotshots was great |
| 04:14.53 | stoned | ah |
| 04:15.35 | wastr2 | i recently rewatched hot shots part deux, and was a little disappointed |
| 04:15.47 | wastr2 | the time before that was just after the US invasion of iraq though |
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| 04:15.51 | wastr2 | so it was histerical |
| 04:15.51 | Gnea | most people just watched the cartoons. i watched those and read all the novels. the novels blow 'em away. |
| 04:15.59 | semprix | guys how do i search if that package has already been installed |
| 04:16.07 | wastr2 | actually I think you're talking about a different hotshots |
| 04:16.11 | semprix | tried reading the manual its not covered there |
| 04:16.14 | stoned | hotshots |
| 04:16.16 | Gnea | semprix: dpkg -l | grep ^ii | grep <packagename> |
| 04:16.18 | stoned | comedy flick |
| 04:16.20 | stoned | charlie sheen |
| 04:16.21 | taxman | hello, how do I re-allow login as root if I selected not to during the install? |
| 04:16.24 | stoned | good stuff indeed. |
| 04:16.27 | wastr2 | oh yeah same one |
| 04:16.32 | stoned | taxman: sudo su passwd |
| 04:16.52 | taxman | stoned: no, I need to be able to login as root from the next reboot |
| 04:16.58 | stoned | yes |
| 04:17.06 | stoned | should I repeat myself |
| 04:17.06 | taxman | I had to delete my user directory |
| 04:17.06 | stoned | ? |
| 04:17.13 | semprix | there we go |
| 04:17.14 | semprix | thank you |
| 04:17.17 | Gnea | why? |
| 04:17.21 | MangosDebian | wastr2: well, part 1 was better imho. the S.S. Essses was classic |
| 04:17.30 | Gnea | taxman: why did you have to do that? |
| 04:17.45 | taxman | Gnea: to make space, cut it too close :) |
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| 04:17.59 | Gnea | taxman: wipe it all, reinstall :) |
| 04:18.08 | stoned | sudo su passwd sets root password |
| 04:18.12 | stoned | then you can login as root |
| 04:18.16 | wastr2 | watching it after the invasion of iraq was histerical though, it was just so ridiculous |
| 04:18.27 | stoned | making sense yet? |
| 04:18.42 | Gnea | taxman: what stoned said. then just recreate the homedir at login. it won't care if it doesn't exist or not. |
| 04:18.52 | MangosDebian | "AHH! Shish Kabob!" |
| 04:18.59 | wastr2 | does anyone here use the 'ip' binary? |
| 04:19.01 | stoned | kebab |
| 04:19.12 | Gnea | wastr2: all the time |
| 04:19.14 | MangosDebian | ahh sorry :) |
| 04:19.24 | wastr2 | what package is it in/ what does it do |
| 04:19.32 | taxman | yeah, makes sense, I was expecting to have to do more than just set a pwd |
| 04:19.45 | Gnea | wastr2: dpkg -S /usr/bin/ip |
| 04:19.47 | taxman | thanks guys |
| 04:20.00 | wastr2 | sweet thks |
| 04:20.11 | Gnea | wastr2: it's a better form of ifconfig and route |
| 04:20.12 | stoned | holy jeebus that was a grand hit |
| 04:20.21 | Ryan52 | is there a way I can make my computer start X and a specific program but not start GNOME? |
| 04:20.28 | wastr2 | gnea: /usr/bin/ip not found |
| 04:20.56 | MangosDebian | Ryan52: ~/.Xsession or ~/.Xinitrc or something like that iirc |
| 04:20.58 | Gnea | wastr2: dpkg -S `which ip` |
| 04:21.17 | Ryan52 | thanks MangosDebian! |
| 04:21.21 | wastr2 | you have to do that for me Gnea :P |
| 04:21.22 | MangosDebian | Ryan52: wait! |
| 04:21.25 | Ryan52 | what? |
| 04:21.26 | wastr2 | its not installed on my systel |
| 04:21.30 | wastr2 | system |
| 04:21.31 | MangosDebian | Ryan52: try it first :) im not sure heh |
| 04:21.38 | Ryan52 | ok |
| 04:21.39 | MangosDebian | <--- doesnt run X much |
| 04:22.21 | stoned | yeh |
| 04:22.29 | stoned | I've done X a few times too |
| 04:22.34 | stoned | its pretty good |
| 04:22.56 | MangosDebian | keyboard just easier when your using 2 of em :) |
| 04:22.57 | wastr2 | can someone with ip run dpkg -S `which ip` |
| 04:23.15 | MangosDebian | /bin/ip |
| 04:23.23 | MangosDebian | err sorry sec :) |
| 04:23.34 | MangosDebian | iproute |
| 04:23.42 | taxman | /leave |
| 04:23.42 | wastr2 | ah great thanks |
| 04:23.45 | stoned | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=ip&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 04:23.46 | taxman | heh |
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| 04:23.48 | stoned | !search |
| 04:23.48 | dpkg | hmm... search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 04:23.54 | Gnea | !info iproute |
| 04:24.06 | dpkg | iproute: (Professional tools to control the networking in Linux kernels), section net, is optional. Version: 20070313-1 (sid), Packaged size: 324 kB, Installed size: 856 kB |
| 04:24.20 | Gnea | getpkg() { dpkg -S `which ip` | awk '{print $1}' | sed -e 's/://g'; }; |
| 04:24.24 | Gnea | apt-cache show `getpkg` |
| 04:25.11 | MangosDebian | lenny? |
| 04:25.58 | wastr2 | lol |
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| 04:26.10 | wastr2 | when I message dpkg about 'ip' he gives me a schpiel |
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| 04:27.12 | DarthJesus | glob('/nfs/cust/9/27/48/684729/web/content/siren/Nine Inch Nails/Further Down the Spiral [US]/*.*'); <-what is wrong with this o.O |
| 04:27.27 | stoned | well I can tell you right now |
| 04:27.32 | DarthJesus | i been told the [US] is fucking up unix |
| 04:27.34 | stoned | the downward spiral remix cd sucked |
| 04:27.39 | stoned | thats one problem |
| 04:27.55 | MangosDebian | nin! |
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| 04:28.11 | MangosDebian | think i liked 1 song :) |
| 04:28.19 | stoned | let me guess |
| 04:28.19 | stoned | closer? |
| 04:28.23 | MangosDebian | ya :) |
| 04:28.42 | nvz | stoned: heh |
| 04:28.55 | DarthJesus | i was told [US] is being interpreted as either U or S as two alternatives |
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| 04:29.00 | stoned | like 'come as you are' by nirvana |
| 04:30.30 | MangosDebian | DarthJesus: \[US\]? |
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| 04:31.18 | stoned | all of pretty hate machine was awesome |
| 04:31.26 | MangosDebian | ya man |
| 04:31.29 | stoned | downward spiral pwnd |
| 04:31.46 | stoned | The Perfect Drug |
| 04:31.48 | stoned | heh |
| 04:32.43 | stoned | and don't forget Marilyn Manson |
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| 04:33.00 | MangosDebian | cryptor child :) |
| 04:33.26 | stoned | you mean cyrptorchid? |
| 04:33.33 | spinx | hi |
| 04:33.35 | stoned | or something |
| 04:33.36 | stoned | hi |
| 04:33.39 | spinx | i have ide-scsi loaded, i can mount cds and view whats on cds.. but im trying to use cdrecord to burn a cd, i use scanbus.. it says cannot open scsi driver. |
| 04:33.47 | MangosDebian | stoned: cryptor child on my list *shrug* |
| 04:34.23 | stoned | 6. Cryptorchid - 2:44 |
| 04:34.43 | MangosDebian | 2:46 here |
| 04:35.26 | spinx | any ideas anyone? |
| 04:35.34 | MangosDebian | stoned: bad filename I guess :/ |
| 04:37.08 | Inc | I keep losing crap |
| 04:37.19 | spinx | ive modprobed ide-scsi, edited lilo.conf.. cdrecord -scanbus says cannot open scsi driver |
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| 04:37.24 | Inc | erm, didn't mean to hit the paste button |
| 04:38.07 | spinx | hi |
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| 04:39.32 | mikez0r | I'm completely new. How can I add packages.debian.org to my repository list? |
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| 04:39.56 | stoned | mikez0r: you don't |
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| 04:40.10 | stoned | !tell mikez0r about sources.list |
| 04:40.23 | stoned | !tell mikez0r about mirrors |
| 04:40.32 | metbsd | how do i check smtp log in exim4 |
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| 04:43.14 | MangosDebian | metbsd: log or queue? /var/log/exim4/? |
| 04:44.16 | metbsd | mainlog paniclog rejectlog is what i have |
| 04:44.19 | metbsd | nothing there |
| 04:44.27 | MangosDebian | what are you looking for? |
| 04:44.33 | MangosDebian | perhaps mailq? |
| 04:45.03 | grendal_prime | does anyone develope in python? |
| 04:45.10 | markw | Seb: does |
| 04:45.13 | markw | bah.. |
| 04:45.15 | grendal_prime | with eric3 specifically |
| 04:45.17 | markw | wrong channel. |
| 04:45.19 | MangosDebian | metbsd: but if you want log of what was send, mainlog would be what you want |
| 04:46.33 | grendal_prime | Seb: need help grasping the connection between the gui builders and the ide's specifically qtbuilder and eric3 |
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| 04:47.27 | grendal_prime | it looks very nice but..i just cant seem to figure out where i put my code, how i connect ot to the devices in the gui..its makeing me crazy and i cant seem to find any help with this. |
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| 04:51.17 | cadeon | Here's one: I got the sun JDK installed, but when I start up JBoss it complains that it's not using a JDK. Is JAVA_HOME wrong in that .deb? |
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| 04:53.23 | Ryan52 | I just bought a new graphics card and X does't like it. It works fine with the monitor output but not the TV output. My TV is flashing orange and purple with random squares of colors scattered around the screen. It's a e-GeForce FX 5200. Is this fixable or should I return it and get a different model? |
| 04:53.50 | stoned | driver issue? |
| 04:54.00 | stoned | using nvidia driver or not? |
| 04:54.09 | Ryan52 | how do I check? |
| 04:54.22 | stoned | what driver did you pick when you installed X |
| 04:54.34 | stoned | !drxx |
| 04:54.34 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 04:54.39 | Ryan52 | I didn't |
| 04:54.48 | stoned | !nvidia one-liner |
| 04:54.48 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 04:55.02 | stoned | fx5200 might be legacy |
| 04:55.11 | Ryan52 | thanks |
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| 04:56.22 | stoned | yup |
| 04:56.24 | stoned | sleepy time |
| 04:56.39 | MangosDebian | l8r |
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| 04:59.33 | cadeon | Anyone done anything with debian + sega dreamcast? |
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| 05:01.17 | pedro | okay, so if used automatix to install things, but then removed all that software using automatix, then uninstalled automatix AND removed its repos, is there even a *HINT* of a chance of that screwing up my system later? |
| 05:02.02 | unix_infidel | sure. |
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| 05:02.35 | unix_infidel | automatix is only as smart as its designed to be. no package manager is without fallacy. |
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| 05:02.57 | mikez01 | What is that program in the top right corner of the desktop that manages wired and wireless connections for you? |
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| 05:04.00 | mikez01 | If anybody could check that for me I'd be eternally greatful |
| 05:04.04 | unix_infidel | mikez01: could be a ton of things. |
| 05:04.07 | semprix | guys do you know any gtk based vpn client? |
| 05:04.16 | unix_infidel | mikez01: take a screenshot, let us now what type of WM/DE you're using. |
| 05:04.41 | unix_infidel | semprix: if you're using Cisco Hardware you need to use their VPN client. |
| 05:05.06 | grendal_prime | seb hates me |
| 05:05.26 | unix_infidel | semprix: secondly a gtk based vpn client doesnt necessarily make it better |
| 05:05.28 | grendal_prime | oh why oh why does everyone not want me to figure out python |
| 05:05.31 | DragonD | ok i'm a little confuggled. i have a usb drive and a sata drive. the lines are the same in the fstab, besides the mount point and device, when i mount the usb(sdc1),vfat, my user can use it but when i mount the sata(sda1),ntfs, drive mu user can't use it. i'm mounting with the user account btw. |
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| 05:06.39 | mikez01 | unix_infidel well I'm using GNOME and I accidentally deleted the program I'm talking about...http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/4871/screenshotru5.png |
| 05:06.42 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:07.44 | unix_infidel | mikez01: no way to tell. |
| 05:07.47 | unix_infidel | Check out wifiradar |
| 05:08.09 | mikez01 | Damnit. This program made it easy to do WPA stuff :-( |
| 05:08.36 | unix_infidel | mikez01: plenty of good wifi programs out there now. In the last 2-3 years wifi on linux has gotten really decent imho. |
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| 05:09.56 | ryanCH_ | can you buy debian at any stores, or only online? |
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| 05:11.04 | unix_infidel | ryanCH_: Debian is freely available to download. |
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| 05:11.42 | unix_infidel | ryanCH_: If you wish to support the program, It might be better to simply donate directly instead of buying from a 3rd party. |
| 05:11.47 | lindenle | !tell ryanCH_ about vendors |
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| 05:12.22 | ryanCH_ | thanks |
| 05:12.30 | metbsd | in exim4, i have two db files for login and domains, i wonder how those files are created? can i add more domains and logins to them? |
| 05:12.41 | ryanCH_ | well, is it true that debian is a collection of various linux distros? |
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| 05:13.17 | lindenle | !tell ryanCH_ about history |
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| 05:18.14 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.28 | ryanCH_ | the menu bars look macintoshish you can change this in the appearance menu, right? |
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| 05:20.37 | dattfiill | hola |
| 05:20.49 | dattfiill | hola |
| 05:20.52 | lindenle | ryanCH_: you can change anyting ;). Part of the reason linux rulz |
| 05:20.52 | dattfiill | alguie puede ayudarme |
| 05:21.04 | azeem_ | !br |
| 05:21.04 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 05:21.10 | ryanCH_ | lindenle: i just like the big thick menu bars at the bottom :) |
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| 05:21.20 | ryanCH_ | lindenle: that KDE offers |
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| 05:21.30 | level1 | Hey does anyone know if I can install kde4 on my debian system without messing up my exsisting kde3 install? Maybe someone can point me in the right direction, I'm on etch |
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| 05:22.23 | dattfiill | how can i get internet with cisco aironet 350 |
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| 05:22.54 | dattfiill | please |
| 05:23.01 | dattfiill | i need have internet |
| 05:23.03 | lindenle | ryanCH_: I use kde on laptop, gnome at home but favorite is fluxbox... alas I have no fiddle time |
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| 05:23.38 | semprix | !vpnclient |
| 05:23.40 | ryanCH_ | i see |
| 05:23.55 | lindenle | dattfiill: Pehaps if you asked a specific question some one will answer. |
| 05:24.14 | dattfiill | ok |
| 05:24.25 | ryanCH_ | i just hope WINE runs good on this distro |
| 05:24.26 | dattfiill | i speak spanish |
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| 05:24.39 | dattfiill | i will intent speak english |
| 05:24.48 | lindenle | dattfiill: There is also a spanich irc channel I believe |
| 05:24.55 | azeem | !es |
| 05:24.55 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:25.18 | lindenle | !beer azeem |
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| 05:26.23 | metbsd | *@+local_domains "${lookup{${local_part}}lsearch{/etc/email-addresses} {$value}fail}" Ffrs |
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| 05:26.37 | metbsd | can some exim4 expert tell me whats this line about? |
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| 05:29.19 | dattfiill | i have a jornada 690 con icewm(linux), i have a cisco aironet 350 wi fi. i get with iwlist eth0 scan three internet wifi connection. how can i connect this? |
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| 05:30.04 | creatoun | hello. will i have any problems using debian packages for ubuntu? |
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| 05:30.56 | dattfiill | i have a jornada 690 con icewm(linux), i have a cisco aironet 350 wi fi. i get with iwlist eth0 scan three internet wifi connection. how can i connect this? what should i type in terminal to get conecction? |
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| 05:32.29 | lindenle | !tell creatoun about ubuntu |
| 05:32.47 | creatoun | !dpkg creatoun about ubuntu |
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| 05:33.46 | creatoun | lindenle: it's !something. |
| 05:34.13 | lindenle | creatoun: "!" addresses the bot his name is dpkg |
| 05:34.23 | lindenle | !tell creatoun about you |
| 05:34.34 | creatoun | !dpkg creatoun ubuntu |
| 05:34.34 | azeem | dattfiill: check the iwconfig manpage |
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| 05:34.50 | lindenle | creatoun: try /query dpkg |
| 05:34.52 | azeem | creatoun: /msg dpkg ubuntu |
| 05:35.24 | dattfiill | [azeem] |
| 05:35.54 | jamil_ | last.fm es radio cierto? |
| 05:35.55 | creatoun | okay, but it's mostly based on i386, right? |
| 05:36.05 | dattfiill | i get with iwlist eth0 scan three internet wifi connection. how can i connect this? |
| 05:36.08 | azeem | !es |
| 05:36.08 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:36.23 | azeem | dattfiill: man iwconfig |
| 05:36.35 | azeem | creatoun: what is "it"? |
| 05:36.37 | dattfiill | where is it? |
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| 05:37.06 | creatoun | azeem: i want to use 1 package, dhcpcd, on ubuntu from debian. |
| 05:37.06 | ryanCH_ | umm, what is the current version of debian? |
| 05:37.08 | azeem | dattfiill: do you get an error message when you run man iwconfig? |
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| 05:37.21 | azeem | creatoun: you should ask #ubuntu about it |
| 05:37.23 | azeem | ryanCH_: 4.0 |
| 05:37.24 | creatoun | their package doesn't work right so i plan on using debians own. |
| 05:37.25 | lindenle | !tell ryanCH_ about etch |
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| 05:37.43 | lindenle | creatoun: your on your won |
| 05:37.45 | lindenle | own |
| 05:38.07 | creatoun | yes, of course. |
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| 05:40.20 | dattfiill | [azeem] |
| 05:40.42 | dattfiill | i know use iwlist eth0 scan |
| 05:40.55 | creatoun | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.05 | azeem | dattfiill: please don't /msg people |
| 05:41.11 | dattfiill | i dont know tha t i should do now |
| 05:41.19 | dattfiill | ok |
| 05:41.20 | azeem | dattfiill: you need to use iwconfig to actually configure wireless |
| 05:41.24 | dattfiill | i newbie |
| 05:41.27 | lindenle | creatoun: google |
| 05:41.39 | dattfiill | ok |
| 05:41.43 | creatoun | lindenle: what should i search for? |
| 05:41.47 | dattfiill | i type iwconig in a terminal |
| 05:41.59 | dattfiill | iwconfig sorry |
| 05:42.12 | lindenle | creatoun: or here http://www.us.debian.org/doc/ |
| 05:42.13 | dattfiill | what i should do now |
| 05:42.34 | azeem | dattfiill: read the iwconfig documentation |
| 05:42.48 | dattfiill | where is it |
| 05:42.51 | dattfiill | ? |
| 05:42.52 | azeem | lindenle: that's pretty unhelpful |
| 05:42.56 | dattfiill | iwconfig |
| 05:42.59 | azeem | dattfiill: 07:34 < azeem> dattfiill: man iwconfig |
| 05:43.04 | azeem | "man iwconfig" |
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| 05:43.16 | dattfiill | man iwconfig |
| 05:43.24 | dattfiill | i dont undesrtand |
| 05:43.32 | dattfiill | where i type it? |
| 05:43.34 | lindenle | azeem: the new maintainers guide descries packaging, how is tha unhelpful |
| 05:43.35 | creatoun | lindenle: nothing on there. |
| 05:43.35 | azeem | it won't work if you type it into irc |
| 05:43.41 | azeem | it's a command |
| 05:43.58 | ryanCH_ | lindenle: i do have and AMD64 should i go with the 64-bit version or i386?? |
| 05:44.01 | ryanCH_ | *of linux |
| 05:44.02 | dattfiill | mmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 05:44.02 | azeem | lindenle: how would creatoun know you're thinking about the new maintainers guide? |
| 05:44.05 | dattfiill | mmmm |
| 05:44.06 | dattfiill | ok |
| 05:44.09 | lindenle | creatoun: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html |
| 05:44.10 | dattfiill | i use icewm |
| 05:44.17 | azeem | besides, he asked for information on how it was built, not how to build something |
| 05:44.18 | lindenle | azeem: good point sorry |
| 05:44.38 | dattfiill | man iwconfig |
| 05:44.53 | dattfiill | doesnt be |
| 05:44.58 | dattfiill | in icewm |
| 05:45.03 | Kjikaqawej | in a terminal.... |
| 05:45.07 | dattfiill | yes |
| 05:45.13 | dattfiill | i type a terminal |
| 05:45.14 | Kjikaqawej | not irc |
| 05:45.18 | lindenle | ryanCH_: I would use amd64 http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq |
| 05:45.19 | dattfiill | man iwconfig |
| 05:45.30 | Kjikaqawej | not in here |
| 05:45.34 | dattfiill | and i see sh : man: not foud |
| 05:45.50 | dattfiill | sh: man: not found |
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| 05:45.53 | lindenle | azeem: sorry but what is the difference in your last statement |
| 05:45.59 | Kjikaqawej | are you in the installer or something? |
| 05:46.17 | azeem | dattfiill: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 05:46.22 | dattfiill | mmmmmmm |
| 05:46.32 | dattfiill | i am run icewm 4.0 |
| 05:46.53 | dattfiill | but i read that i can use wi fi with a terminal command |
| 05:47.22 | azeem | I'm not asking about the version of icewm |
| 05:47.25 | azeem | I'm asking about the version of Debian |
| 05:47.40 | dattfiill | more, i type iwlist :S |
| 05:47.44 | dattfiill | :S |
| 05:47.48 | dattfiill | i dont knoiw |
| 05:47.58 | azeem | did you install yourself? |
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| 05:48.02 | lindenle | creatoun: here too http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-system.en.html#s-pkg-basics |
| 05:48.22 | creatoun | lindenle: thanks. i'll see what i can do. |
| 05:48.36 | lindenle | creatoun: you can always build it from source too |
| 05:48.47 | lindenle | creatoun: might be easier than making a package |
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| 05:49.10 | indraveni | hi all |
| 05:49.10 | creatoun | no kidding huh. never thought of that. |
| 05:49.34 | creatoun | i'm too busy with hardware problems on the laptop. |
| 05:49.37 | indraveni | I am using debian lenny system and the sound was working fine before few days |
| 05:49.46 | indraveni | suddenly the sound is not working in my system |
| 05:49.59 | lindenle | creatoun: with something like dhcpcd it probably would be a really easy build |
| 05:50.07 | indraveni | when I typed alsamixer in temrnial the following is the error message |
| 05:50.12 | indraveni | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 05:50.25 | lindenle | indraveni: using alsa? try /etc/init.d/als force-reload |
| 05:50.26 | indraveni | could some one help me , in making sound work |
| 05:50.57 | lindenle | indraveni: i have been having the same problem lately |
| 05:51.11 | indraveni | lindenle, still same error exists after running, /etc/init.t/alsa force-reload |
| 05:51.30 | lindenle | indraveni: is the module loaded for your sound card? |
| 05:51.40 | indraveni | lindenle, I checked in google also, but couldn't find a proper solution |
| 05:51.59 | indraveni | lindenle, I have run alsaconf and made it load , but still is there a way to check it? |
| 05:52.00 | lindenle | indraveni: what sound card? |
| 05:52.14 | indraveni | lindenle, how to check |
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| 05:52.50 | lindenle | indraveni: lspci -v | grep -i audio |
| 05:53.09 | lindenle | indraveni: but don't paste the output |
| 05:53.11 | RockerMONO | does the SSH server automatically start when you put in a CD for a debian install? |
| 05:53.25 | azeem | RockerMONO: no |
| 05:53.34 | indraveni | lindenle, its only one line output, |
| 05:53.40 | Kjikaqawej | no, gotta load that server up into the installer, then it starts it auto |
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| 05:53.47 | RockerMONO | azeem: i need to do /etc/init.d/shh start to start it? |
| 05:53.56 | lindenle | indraveni: ok what is it |
| 05:53.56 | indraveni | lindenle, 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04) |
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| 05:54.01 | azeem | RockerMONO: you'd need to install it in the installer |
| 05:54.21 | RockerMONO | azeem: so install it then do that??? or what? |
| 05:54.32 | Kjikaqawej | RockerMONO: ^^^ |
| 05:54.56 | lindenle | indraveni: I have the same card type "lsmod | grep 'snd_intel8x'" |
| 05:54.57 | azeem | RockerMONO: why do you need sshd in the installer? |
| 05:55.10 | lindenle | indraveni: see if it is in the kernel |
| 05:55.19 | RockerMONO | azeem: the computer doesn't have a monitor [setting it up as a server, so that doesn't really matter] |
| 05:55.20 | Kjikaqawej | um, headless for instance... |
| 05:56.05 | indraveni | lindenle, no output for the above command |
| 05:56.13 | Kjikaqawej | nosy... |
| 05:56.51 | lindenle | RockerMONO: answer may be here: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s03.html#di-miscellaneous |
| 05:56.52 | indraveni | lindenle, check here http://pastebin.ca/631676 |
| 05:57.10 | indraveni | lindenle, this is the output for lsmod | grep 'snd' |
| 05:57.58 | lindenle | indraveni: ok maybe try "modprobe snd_intel8x0m" |
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| 05:58.15 | Ryan52 | where are the kernel sources installed? |
| 05:58.29 | azeem | Ryan52: why do you need them? |
| 05:58.50 | Ryan52 | I'm trying to install something that says it needs them |
| 05:59.01 | Ryan52 | and it cant find them |
| 05:59.02 | indraveni | lindenle, no output for this also |
| 05:59.20 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:59.24 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:59.36 | Ryan52 | I installed them...I just don't know where they were installed to |
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| 06:00.28 | indraveni | lindenle, its here http://pastebin.ca/631678 |
| 06:00.55 | azeem | Ryan52: usually, all you need is kernel headers, not the full source |
| 06:01.10 | Ryan52 | I'm trying to isntall a driver |
| 06:01.23 | azeem | which one? |
| 06:01.30 | azeem | my above statement still holds |
| 06:01.40 | Ryan52 | one from nvidia.com |
| 06:01.42 | lindenle | indraveni: alsa restart and then try it |
| 06:01.50 | azeem | Ryan52: for your graphics card? |
| 06:01.59 | lindenle | indraveni: or force-reload then try |
| 06:01.59 | Ryan52 | yes |
| 06:02.26 | lindenle | !tell Ryan52 about nvidia one liner |
| 06:02.26 | azeem | why can't you use the one in Debian's non-free? |
| 06:02.36 | Ryan52 | it didn't work |
| 06:02.43 | indraveni | lindenle, after force-reload, you want me to check sound? |
| 06:02.44 | Ryan52 | my tv is really messed up looking |
| 06:02.51 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.17 | Ryan52 | for the nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` it did not work |
| 06:03.21 | indraveni | lindenle, same error message |
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| 06:03.59 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.29 | indraveni | lindenle, output of alsamixer , |
| 06:04.32 | indraveni | lindenle, alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 06:05.05 | lindenle | indraveni: as user or oot? |
| 06:05.10 | lindenle | /soot/root/ |
| 06:05.53 | indraveni | lindenle, as root |
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| 06:06.55 | lindenle | indraveni: give me a sec |
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| 06:08.55 | lindenle | indraveni:hmmm..... |
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| 06:09.17 | indraveni | lindenle, what happen? any clue? |
| 06:09.42 | lindenle | indraveni: found a post that might help, but I am a bit clueless, can you paste your dmesg? |
| 06:09.55 | indraveni | lindenle, yes |
| 06:09.59 | indraveni | lindenle, a moment please |
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| 06:10.44 | indraveni | lindenle, this is my complete dmesg output |
| 06:10.52 | indraveni | lindenle, http://pastebin.ca/631688 |
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| 06:12.45 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.43 | indraveni | lindenle, how to do the above? |
| 06:14.28 | lindenle | indraveni: rmmod snd_intel_8x0m |
| 06:14.35 | lindenle | indraveni: rmmod snd_intel_8x0 |
| 06:14.37 | metbsd | why debian makes exim4 conf file dynamically |
| 06:14.54 | lindenle | indraveni: rmmod snd_hda_intel |
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| 06:15.06 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.12 | lindenle | then paste dmesg again |
| 06:15.18 | indraveni | lindenle, its showing an error message , saying . ERROR: Module snd_intel_8x0 does not exist in /proc/modules |
| 06:16.07 | lindenle | indraveni: thats ok, probably never loaded b/c it is the wrong one ;) |
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| 06:16.29 | lindenle | indraveni: what kernel are you running? |
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| 06:17.05 | indraveni | lindenle, 2.6.21-1-486 |
| 06:17.20 | minerale | after I ssh -X host --- the $DISPLAY is not set on the remote host, how do I find out which display number is ssh forwarding to? |
| 06:17.48 | azeem | minerale: is x11forwarding enabled on the remote host? |
| 06:17.56 | lindenle | indraveni: you build it? I have 2.6.18 in lenny |
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| 06:18.37 | azeem | testing has .21 now apparently |
| 06:18.43 | lindenle | ah I see |
| 06:18.44 | Guerin | !test |
| 06:18.44 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 06:18.49 | indraveni | yes |
| 06:18.53 | indraveni | yes lindenle , |
| 06:19.12 | lindenle | indraveni: I see a bunch of bug reports that say this module stopped working... in 2.6.10-X |
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| 06:20.27 | lindenle | sorry 2.6.20-X |
| 06:20.59 | indraveni | lindenle, but it was working before a couple of days on the same kernel |
| 06:21.59 | lindenle | indraveni: strange, do you sleep the machine or turn it on and off |
| 06:22.42 | indraveni | lindenle, I turn it on afn off |
| 06:22.56 | indraveni | s/anf/and |
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| 06:23.27 | PrinceAMD | hi all |
| 06:23.46 | PrinceAMD | i just compiled a kernel but i have to do something with mkinitrd what do i do? |
| 06:23.46 | lindenle | indraveni: did you paste the dmesg after modprobe of snd_intel_hda |
| 06:24.04 | lindenle | indraveni: I need some kind of info here or else I am stabbing in the dark |
| 06:24.28 | lindenle | indraveni: also do the devices /dev/dsp or /devaudio actually exist? |
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| 06:25.10 | indraveni | lindenle, yes the dmesg is after modprobe sd_intel_hda |
| 06:25.15 | infernal_jesus | PrinceAMD: how are we supposed to know? |
| 06:25.30 | indraveni | lindenle, /dev/dsp doesn't exist |
| 06:26.01 | lindenle | indraveni: i guess that could be the problem..... |
| 06:26.07 | PrinceAMD | infernal_jesus, well i use to use etch and all i had to do was mkinitrd /boot/kernel $ versin $version and that work, but on lenny it's not working |
| 06:26.14 | indraveni | lindenle, hmm, there is no /dev./audio also |
| 06:26.25 | indraveni | lindenle, which package do I need to install for this? |
| 06:26.28 | infernal_jesus | PrinceAMD: you are trying to create the bzImage? |
| 06:26.41 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:26.43 | PrinceAMD | infernal_jesus yes |
| 06:27.09 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:27.45 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.08 | lindenle | indraveni: any luck? |
| 06:28.16 | indraveni | lindenle, yes i am doing that |
| 06:28.17 | infernal_jesus | PrinceAMD: if you go to the linux directory (the kernel's directory) in /usr/src run 'make bzImage' and then 'cp bzImage /boot/vmlinuz' |
| 06:28.44 | PrinceAMD | infernal_jesus thanks |
| 06:28.54 | infernal_jesus | np |
| 06:29.47 | infernal_jesus | PrinceAMD: don't forget to backup the old bzImage |
| 06:30.18 | infernal_jesus | PrinceAMD: 'cp -p /boot/vmlinuz /boot/vmlinuz_old' is enough |
| 06:30.33 | indraveni | lindenle, after the above commaND, DO I NEED TO RELOAD ANYTHING |
| 06:30.44 | PrinceAMD | infernal_jesus alright i wont forget |
| 06:31.05 | PrinceAMD | infernal_jesus thanks again |
| 06:31.13 | infernal_jesus | PrinceAMD: no problem :p |
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| 06:31.35 | lindenle | indraveni: try alsamixer now |
| 06:32.00 | indraveni | lindenle, no luck |
| 06:32.18 | lindenle | indraveni: im out of ideas.... |
| 06:32.23 | infernal_jesus | indraveni: have you tried configuring alsa? |
| 06:32.32 | lindenle | indraveni /dev/mixer exists? |
| 06:33.02 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.30 | indraveni | lindenle, no mixer under /dev |
| 06:34.17 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:35.14 | infernal_jesus | indraveni: what card do you have? intel integrated hda? |
| 06:35.35 | indraveni | lindenle, infernal_jesus yes |
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| 06:36.43 | infernal_jesus | indraveni: it worked out of the box for me on debian etch, try running 'alsaconf' or reinstall alsa |
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| 06:37.31 | indraveni | ok i will try other ways |
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| 06:37.36 | indraveni | thankyou lindenle and infernal_jesus |
| 06:37.43 | infernal_jesus | indraveni: are you using the kernel it came with, or a vanilla one? |
| 06:37.49 | lindenle | indraveni: sorry we could not fix it |
| 06:37.57 | indraveni | lindenle, its ok |
| 06:38.22 | xjkx | my du -h (or -m) /xx/folder says it has 30 MB, but on thunar it says it has 9mb, using gimp file browser i get it as 9 also, wtf is wrong lol |
| 06:38.29 | infernal_jesus | indraveni: let me rephrase, did you compile your own kernel, or are you using the default one (the one debian came with) ? |
| 06:38.54 | indraveni | infernal_jesus, its debian kernel |
| 06:39.13 | indraveni | infernal_jesus, and sound was working prev |
| 06:39.15 | lindenle | indraveni: im going to have a look at als-kernel doc |
| 06:39.28 | infernal_jesus | indraveni: what happened that it stopped working? |
| 06:39.53 | xjkx | du is returning a false result |
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| 06:40.20 | Guerin | xjkx: why do you care about 21MB? |
| 06:40.32 | Guerin | here's a nickel, kid, go buy a bigger hard disk |
| 06:40.44 | xjkx | Guerin: i do, its on my pendrive |
| 06:40.56 | Guerin | xjkx: what filesystem? |
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| 06:41.41 | xjkx | fat16 (please dont tell me to use something cooler, i need it to be mounted everywhere, and wasnt even me who created the FS i am using the way it came up) |
| 06:41.54 | Guerin | it's cool, that's about the only sane fs for a pendrive |
| 06:41.56 | Guerin | xjkx: try `sync' |
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| 06:43.07 | xjkx | "Flush file system buffers" isnt it destrutive? :> |
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| 06:44.04 | indraveni | infernal_jesus, sorry for the delay, need to attend a call |
| 06:44.11 | Guerin | xjkx: only if you didn't actually want to write changes to the filesystem |
| 06:44.18 | Guerin | it just fixes any changes you've made |
| 06:44.29 | Guerin | this is normally done automatically, but not on fat |
| 06:44.31 | indraveni | infernal_jesus, I was on leave for a couple of days and after I started my system |
| 06:44.43 | indraveni | then it stopped workiing |
| 06:45.01 | Guerin | by `fixes' i mean `sets in concrete' not `unbreaks' |
| 06:45.10 | infernal_jesus | indraveni: remove the alsa package with apt and then reinstall it |
| 06:45.24 | lindenle | infernal_jesus: oof |
| 06:45.36 | infernal_jesus | lindenle: oof? |
| 06:45.48 | Guerin | very observant |
| 06:45.59 | xjkx | Fixing changes , what kind of fixing it needs ;o |
| 06:46.06 | lindenle | infernal_jesus: seems like a bad way to approach the problem imho |
| 06:46.22 | indraveni | infernal_jesus, ok |
| 06:46.52 | daya | have anyone noticed the error, agpgart:maximum main memory to use for agp memory:196M |
| 06:46.58 | infernal_jesus | lindenle: why? well if /dev/mixer is missing, who knows what else is missing? :P |
| 06:47.04 | Guerin | daya: that's not an error |
| 06:47.16 | lindenle | infernal_jesus: fair enough |
| 06:47.19 | daya | Guerin, not error , ? |
| 06:47.19 | Guerin | daya: if you want anyoine to care, put the full error output on paster |
| 06:47.45 | lindenle | infernal_jesus: actually that i areally good point |
| 06:47.53 | infernal_jesus | lindenle: thanks :P |
| 06:48.05 | lindenle | infernal_jesus: I did not think that the whole thing might be borked up |
| 06:48.14 | daya | Guerin, Acutally I am using ltsp from debianedu, I can't login in client, although I am presented ldm screen |
| 06:48.27 | Guerin | daya: talk to the debianedu people |
| 06:48.46 | daya | Guerin, I have noted this in syslog, so think that its an error |
| 06:49.01 | Guerin | daya: it sounds like you should think less and read more. |
| 06:49.14 | Guerin | daya: most of syslog is informational output |
| 06:49.20 | Guerin | that's the point of syslog |
| 06:49.41 | daya | there is no channel debianedu |
| 06:49.51 | Guerin | sucks to be using an unsupported distro |
| 06:50.00 | Guerin | daya: /msg dpkg igf |
| 06:50.03 | Guerin | grr |
| 06:50.04 | Guerin | daya: /msg dpkg ig |
| 06:50.21 | indraveni | infernal_jesus, lindenle its working |
| 06:50.38 | indraveni | infernal_jesus, lindenle I uninstalled alsa and reinstalled |
| 06:50.45 | infernal_jesus | indraveni: cool :) |
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| 06:50.48 | indraveni | but I know this is not a right way to solve the issue |
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| 06:50.55 | Guerin | indraveni: why not? |
| 06:50.58 | lindenle | indraveni: SUPER KOOL |
| 06:50.58 | xjkx | By knowing it is mounted on a variety of systems what FS would you recommend? |
| 06:51.00 | Guerin | it works, be happy |
| 06:51.04 | lindenle | indraveni: I agree |
| 06:51.08 | Guerin | xjkx: vfat |
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| 06:51.20 | indraveni | anyway thankyou lindenle and infernal_jesus |
| 06:51.23 | Guerin | or fat32/16/whatever |
| 06:51.26 | infernal_jesus | indraveni: no problem :) |
| 06:51.30 | lindenle | indraveni: we really have no idea what was wrong...could have been an incomplete package install or something |
| 06:51.39 | lindenle | !beer jesus |
| 06:51.44 | indraveni | may be lindenle |
| 06:51.44 | xjkx | I thought fat32/16/whatever were vfat :o |
| 06:51.51 | Guerin | xjkx: they are |
| 06:51.57 | xjkx | :) |
| 06:52.00 | Guerin | well, near enough |
| 06:52.27 | xjkx | Winxp/2000 mounts fat32 with no need of external drivers right? |
| 06:52.45 | Guerin | xjkx: correct. |
| 06:52.54 | xjkx | Thanks |
| 06:53.00 | infernal_jesus | lindenle: thanks :p |
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| 06:54.17 | lindenle | .me bows |
| 06:54.52 | lindenle | anyone know how to run a script as a user when a network device is brought up |
| 06:55.08 | Guerin | lindenle: man interfaces; man su |
| 06:56.18 | lindenle | Guerin: su? you mean sudo i suppose...tried that it can't find users ssh keys |
| 06:56.28 | Guerin | no, i don't mean sudo |
| 06:56.38 | Guerin | had I meant sudo I'd have said sudo |
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| 06:56.51 | Guerin | and wtf have ssh keys got to do with anything? |
| 06:56.52 | lindenle | Guerin: so su user script |
| 06:56.59 | Guerin | lindenle: no - man su |
| 06:57.11 | Guerin | had I fucking meant su user script i'd have fucking said so |
| 06:57.15 | lindenle | Guerin: yes I know the man page I have it open |
| 06:57.25 | Guerin | then the answer is right in front of you |
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| 06:58.25 | Guerin | eth01: who the fuck are you again? |
| 06:58.37 | Guerin | eth01: don't fucking message me. Thanks. |
| 06:58.46 | eth01 | I PMed you, asking you to calm down on the language. |
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| 06:58.59 | Guerin | and I told you to go fuck yourself - now we understand each other ;) |
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| 07:00.18 | azeem | Guerin: uhm, what's wrong with you? |
| 07:01.11 | infernal_jesus | lindenle: you want to run the script manually after the interface is up? |
| 07:01.48 | Guerin | azeem: ? |
| 07:01.56 | lindenle | infernal_jesus: no automagically, but it can never seem to find the users ssh keys |
| 07:01.58 | streuner | everything is *normal* ;-) |
| 07:02.06 | streuner | haha |
| 07:02.07 | lindenle | infernal_jesus: it runs fine as the user |
| 07:02.08 | infernal_jesus | oh |
| 07:02.10 | Guerin | azeem: nothing out of the ordinary, I just object to people PMing me with prurient advice. |
| 07:02.50 | azeem | Guerin: object in private, then |
| 07:02.51 | lindenle | infernal_jesus: when i bring up interface work I want my files to back up so i don't have to remember to do it |
| 07:03.07 | infernal_jesus | ah |
| 07:03.13 | Guerin | azeem: responding to PM in private encourages people to PM. But your concerns are noted. |
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| 07:03.15 | infernal_jesus | lindenle: sorry, can't help you there :( |
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| 07:03.40 | lindenle | infernal_jesus: I have been working on it for a while...Ill get it eventually |
| 07:03.41 | azeem | Guerin: saying "fuck yourself" in public encourages people to say "fuck yourself" |
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| 07:03.57 | infernal_jesus | lindenle: no pain no gain :p |
| 07:04.10 | Guerin | azeem: quite true. |
| 07:04.33 | Guerin | dpkg, swearing is if you don't want to see it, use the following: /IGNORE -regexp -pattern (word1.*word2.*|word2.*word1.*) * ALL |
| 07:04.33 | dpkg | ...but swearing is already something else... |
| 07:04.39 | Guerin | dpkg, swearing is also if you don't want to see it, use the following: /IGNORE -regexp -pattern (word1.*word2.*|word2.*word1.*) * ALL |
| 07:04.39 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
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| 07:05.12 | Guerin | dpkg, swearing ~= s/ALL/ALL (irssi)/ |
| 07:05.20 | streuner | azeem: must you always be here, if we dont need you? |
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| 07:05.27 | Guerin | dpkg, swearing =~ s/ALL/ALL (irssi)/ |
| 07:05.27 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 07:05.28 | azeem | streuner: yep |
| 07:05.57 | Guerin | ops get to decide when they're needed; that's fair and reasonable |
| 07:06.11 | Guerin | they don't ONLY exist to ban pr0n spammers |
| 07:06.17 | mosno | gah! how do i get Gnome to pass F1 to the application in focus? It keeps launching Yelp. |
| 07:06.31 | Guerin | mosno: ask #gnome irc.gnome.org |
| 07:06.34 | mosno | ok |
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| 07:07.24 | Guerin | huh, dpkg ate my parentheses |
| 07:07.31 | Guerin | do i have to escape them or something? |
| 07:08.00 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.11 | Guerin | oh, annoyage |
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| 07:09.26 | Guerin | dpkg, no, swearing is Silence, you sock-clucking mother-trucker, or if you don'twant to see it, see http://dragoncat.net/lists/irssi-users/2002-08/0007.html (for irssi) |
| 07:09.26 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
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| 07:10.03 | SeJo | Guerin: you can follow but not speak anymore |
| 07:10.20 | streuner | Sejo: what the fuck are you doing? |
| 07:10.29 | streuner | do that somewhere else, this is #debian |
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| 07:10.58 | streuner | this is NOT your buisnes |
| 07:11.08 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:11.14 | SeJo | streuner: it is when users complain to staff |
| 07:11.27 | SeJo | streuner: it is when no ops react |
| 07:11.31 | vyrus001 | how do i remove a broken pv from a vg and subsequent lv in lvm? |
| 07:11.33 | streuner | heh, somebody whines at you? |
| 07:11.46 | SeJo | had complaints about foul language yes |
| 07:11.54 | azeem | SeJo: I was actually talking to Guerin |
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| 07:12.38 | mavhc | linux: it puts everyone in a good mood |
| 07:12.43 | SeJo | azeem: my apolegies |
| 07:12.48 | SeJo | bleh can't type anymore |
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| 07:13.34 | SeJo | azeem: your floor |
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| 07:14.00 | streuner | no worries |
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| 07:17.27 | fenn | does anyone know what the apt error Depends: ... but it is not going to be installed. means or how to go about fixing it? |
| 07:17.43 | streuner | fenn: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 07:18.03 | fenn | ii libc6 2.5-11 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 07:18.32 | streuner | fenn: show us your sources.list in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste), please. |
| 07:19.38 | streuner | !info libc6 testing |
| 07:19.43 | fenn | http://rafb.net/p/Ts8WHh95.html |
| 07:20.04 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.6-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 4309 kB, Installed size: 10416 kB |
| 07:20.09 | fenn | i'm trying to get libgtk2.0-dev if that's any help |
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| 07:20.30 | streuner | Did you run 'apt-get update' before? |
| 07:20.47 | fenn | yes but i'll try again just for good luck |
| 07:21.14 | GekiYellow | Howdy kids... Just here out of curiousity... In the past, I've had a lot of issues with Ubuntu and my ATI graphics card, would there be any possibility of better luck on Debian? |
| 07:21.15 | azeem | fenn: try to apt-get install the package it complains about for a more useful error from apt |
| 07:21.19 | fenn | same result: libgtk2.0-dev: Depends: libpango1.0-dev (>= 1.10.0-2) but it is not going to be installed |
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| 07:21.37 | fenn | when i try to install libpango i get a similar error with even more packages that 'are not going to be installed' |
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| 07:22.23 | azeem | fenn: continue until you find the real reason |
| 07:22.46 | streuner | fenn: you have stable (etch) lines there, but a newer libc6, how come? |
| 07:23.00 | fenn | i dont remember why |
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| 07:23.20 | fenn | what does libc6 have to do with it? |
| 07:23.26 | streuner | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free ,,, |
| 07:23.29 | streuner | ... |
| 07:24.01 | piztek | does anyone know how to set the login manager to xsession? |
| 07:24.26 | streuner | fenn: many app. are just linked to libc6 and a lot of depends |
| 07:24.47 | streuner | fenn: no wonder you get depends problems then, Desktop or server? |
| 07:24.56 | fenn | hm, when i add libc6-dev to the list of packages it no longer complains |
| 07:25.24 | streuner | fenn: you arent running stable anymore |
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| 07:26.18 | piztek | where is the login manager file located |
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| 07:26.22 | piztek | /etc/X11/something |
| 07:27.10 | streuner | a login manager is (x)dm, it has nothing to do with your xsession |
| 07:27.25 | piztek | i got the two confused |
| 07:27.27 | streuner | what you put into that file is a WM |
| 07:27.29 | fenn | streuner: thanks for your help, i think i'm starting to understand what happened |
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| 07:27.39 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 07:27.39 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system. |
| 07:28.19 | streuner | "exec <some window-manager" (xsession) |
| 07:28.32 | piztek | what wm do you run streuner |
| 07:28.40 | streuner | flux atm |
| 07:29.11 | piztek | well can you tell me where the login manager file is? |
| 07:29.57 | tarzeau | how would i get java6 for etch? |
| 07:29.59 | streuner | piztek: login manager like DM? dpkg -L (x)dm |
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| 07:30.07 | tarzeau | using sid backport or java-package and the stuff from sun? |
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| 07:30.21 | streuner | piztek: or just use pdo (/msg dpkg pdo) |
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| 07:36.10 | piztek | how do people login to x11 as a wm? |
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| 07:39.54 | chowmeined | are there any plans to fix ipsec on sparc? |
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| 07:42.10 | streuner | piztek: /msg dpkg xsession |
| 07:43.42 | js_ | do i need to open any incoming ports in order to use an rsync client? |
| 07:43.52 | sebdah | Hi! I've got a little problem with my Postfix server. I can send mail from the server via telnet (connecting to port 25). But when I send mail to an account on my mail server via another mail server the mail never reaches my mail server. What might be the problem? Is there a parameter that says from where the mail is allowed to come? |
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| 07:47.00 | harpal | I want to use antispyware at the gateway, any body know which one is best |
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| 07:47.50 | usn_work | sebdah, does your smtp server have a dynamic IP? Means, do you have set it up on a daily-changing IP, for example on DSL? |
| 07:48.03 | harpal | what antispyware I should use |
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| 07:48.11 | tarzeau | harpal: none? |
| 07:48.17 | sebdah | usn_work: no, it's static |
| 07:48.45 | tarzeau | chowmeined: #sparc or fix it yourself? |
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| 07:48.49 | harpal | tarzeau: why? |
| 07:49.00 | chowmeined | tarzeau: but im not a programmer |
| 07:49.03 | tarzeau | harpal: what spyware do you have? why not just remove that? |
| 07:49.14 | chowmeined | tarzeau: it crashes with sigbus on start |
| 07:49.32 | tarzeau | chowmeined: you can get a programmer, try http://samizdat.mines.edu/howto/HowToBeAProgrammer.html |
| 07:49.41 | usn_work | sebdah, do you have access to the logs of the "other" smtp server, in order to find out what happens? |
| 07:50.08 | piztek | streuner: can you tell me where the file is? i can't message the bot correctly |
| 07:50.09 | sebdah | usn_work: no, unfortunatly not. It's the SMTP-server of a hosting company |
| 07:50.38 | usn_work | if you want I can try with mine |
| 07:50.42 | indraveni | hi all, in debian openoffice.org 2.2, I am not able to play sound. during slide transition |
| 07:50.52 | sebdah | usn_work: yeah sure! |
| 07:50.57 | indraveni | do I need to install any extra packages |
| 07:51.02 | harpal | tarzeau: i dont have any spyware but I would like to protect my network from spyware |
| 07:51.20 | indraveni | I am tring to play the default sound files only |
| 07:51.24 | harpal | so I have to install antispyware |
| 07:51.25 | piztek | does anyone else know what file the login manager is specified in? |
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| 07:54.17 | metbsd | hello, i want to ask a spamassasin question |
| 07:54.41 | tarzeau | harpal: actively monitor your network |
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| 07:54.54 | tarzeau | harpal: do you have non-free software in your network? and windows, mac clients? |
| 07:54.56 | metbsd | 2007-07-24 08:52:36 1IDFC7-0003QE-Rq malware acl condition: spamd: unable to connect to UNIX socket /var/run/spamd.ctl (No such file or directory) |
| 07:55.25 | tarzeau | harpal: i don't think such antispyware exist on linux, but there's several different network scanners/monitors that you can use |
| 07:55.37 | tarzeau | harpal: i use iptraf, ngrep, tcpdump. netstat and nmap are handy too |
| 07:55.37 | harpal | tarzeau: I have windows clients and linux |
| 07:56.00 | tarzeau | harpal: so monitor your traffic where it goes and comes into the internet |
| 07:56.14 | streuner__ | pitz: /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 07:56.22 | harpal | from that I can detect that spyware is there or not? |
| 07:56.23 | streuner__ | piztek: /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 07:56.48 | piztek | thank you streuner__ |
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| 07:57.21 | streuner__ | piztek: dpkg-reconfigure (x)dm would work too.. |
| 07:57.39 | piztek | yeah it was properly set |
| 07:57.43 | piztek | i just wanted to check |
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| 07:58.37 | piztek | but, it didn't take into effect at this last logout after doing dpkg-reconfigure xdm |
| 07:59.10 | harpal | metbsd: join spamassassin channel |
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| 08:00.28 | piztek | are themes editable beyond theme settings? |
| 08:00.44 | harpal | tarzeau: thanx but you how can I generate online graph |
| 08:00.58 | harpal | from network statics |
| 08:01.14 | tarzeau | harpal: for example with ploticus? |
| 08:01.17 | tarzeau | harpal: or graphviz? |
| 08:01.42 | tarzeau | harpal: i'm working on some software to actively monitory networks/nodes and generate such graphs, but it's not released yet |
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| 08:02.04 | zecrazytux | hi |
| 08:02.07 | tarzeau | i've got pretty large networks here and i couldn't find any usable free software fulfilling my needs |
| 08:02.44 | WALoeIII | tarzeau: what are you looking at? |
| 08:02.46 | WALoeIII | a wall? |
| 08:02.58 | harpal | tarzeau: you may use ntop |
| 08:03.06 | tarzeau | WALoeIII: no, into a screen (two actually)? |
| 08:03.09 | harpal | I have used that its good |
| 08:03.13 | tarzeau | harpal: nah, ntop doesn't do what i need |
| 08:03.33 | tarzeau | harpal: i really need something like lanmap (but something that works, and is active (and controlable)) |
| 08:03.39 | tarzeau | harpal: and more flexible |
| 08:03.44 | tarzeau | (as well as scalable) |
| 08:04.02 | tarzeau | do you know hp openview? |
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| 08:04.13 | harpal | no |
| 08:04.19 | tarzeau | harpal: try google pictures |
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| 08:09.05 | piztek | what is the next most popular wm after metacity and kwin? |
| 08:09.28 | streuner__ | !popcon |
| 08:09.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 08:09.46 | fenn | why does it matter what's most popular? |
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| 08:10.23 | tarzeau | fenn: because you want to know what to put on cd 1? |
| 08:10.31 | tarzeau | fenn: and the less popular stuff on cd n |
| 08:10.56 | fenn | eh, but why does it matter to piztek i mean |
| 08:10.57 | tarzeau | piztek: i'm sure fvwm and windowmaker are popular |
| 08:11.31 | azeem | probably xfwm4, from xfce |
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| 08:12.21 | piztek | the only problem i have with other wm's is that the menu's differ from those used in applications |
| 08:12.24 | piztek | can that be fixed? |
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| 08:12.54 | harpal | tarzeau: I have see images of HP Openview |
| 08:13.16 | azeem | piztek: what do you mean with "used in applications"? |
| 08:13.52 | piztek | like for example if you click the desktop in icewm you will get a menu different in design than the one used in epiphany for example |
| 08:14.22 | azeem | why do you expect it to be the same? |
| 08:14.30 | azeem | epiphany is a Gnome application |
| 08:14.39 | azeem | icewm is not |
| 08:14.49 | piztek | but then you could say that it's menu belongs to metacity? |
| 08:14.58 | Penix | piztek: no |
| 08:15.13 | azeem | piztek: "it's" meaning epiphany? |
| 08:15.15 | azeem | why should it? |
| 08:15.39 | Penix | piztek: plain and simple: different toolkits with different themes |
| 08:15.44 | piztek | it resembles a menu of metacity |
| 08:15.55 | piztek | or gnome |
| 08:15.55 | Penix | piztek: www.gtk.org |
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| 08:18.04 | anapivirtua | Hi all |
| 08:18.20 | piztek | so what makes gnome gnome is it's window manager metacity? and once that changes it isn't gnome? |
| 08:18.40 | azeem | piztek: Gnome is a desktop environment |
| 08:18.42 | Penix | piztek: gnome is generally the platform libraries and the desktop |
| 08:18.54 | azeem | if you want, you can say that you're not runnig pure Gnome if you exchange its window manager |
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| 08:19.38 | piztek | it's just odd to me that those menu's don't change as the wm does |
| 08:19.50 | piztek | that shows that the menus aren't being drawn according to the wm? |
| 08:19.55 | azeem | the window manager manages windows, not menus |
| 08:20.02 | azeem | of course not |
| 08:20.03 | Penix | piztek: how can icewem draw gtk menus when it doesn't know about gtk? |
| 08:20.07 | Penix | icewm rather |
| 08:20.55 | piztek | and how come they don't change as the theme does |
| 08:21.06 | Penix | piztek: what is 'they'? |
| 08:21.11 | Penix | the menus? |
| 08:21.16 | piztek | yes |
| 08:21.23 | Penix | piztek: they do change as the theme does. the *gtk* theme |
| 08:22.07 | piztek | so one way to keep the menu's the same would be to only stick with gtk themes? |
| 08:22.13 | Penix | piztek: no |
| 08:22.30 | Penix | piztek: you would achieve that by using strictly gtk applications |
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| 08:22.39 | Penix | piztek: ie. a standard Gnome desktop |
| 08:22.53 | metbsd | is there documentation about exim4+SA 3.1.7 |
| 08:23.04 | piztek | then why do people find icewm and fluxbox so nice? |
| 08:23.15 | azeem | piztek: their choice |
| 08:23.17 | Penix | piztek: because they like it |
| 08:23.30 | piztek | what would a gtk browser be? |
| 08:23.34 | diafic_ | bbiab, servicing laptop |
| 08:23.37 | Penix | piztek: epiphany |
| 08:23.39 | piztek | web browser |
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| 08:23.51 | qiyong | !pcre |
| 08:23.52 | dpkg | hmm... pcre is Perl Compatible Regular Expression |
| 08:23.56 | Penix | piztek: it's a gnome app built using gtk. |
| 08:24.08 | Penix | piztek: read up on the basics of window managers and toolkits and you'll know what I'm on about |
| 08:24.29 | piztek | okay |
| 08:25.11 | piztek | but i try to unpackage icewm themes to install them, but some of the files extract with an error |
| 08:25.15 | piztek | what's that about? |
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| 08:26.04 | Penix | piztek: that's about whatever the error said it was about |
| 08:26.22 | piztek | something command line |
| 08:26.44 | Penix | oh. ok. now I know *EXACTLY* what you mean |
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| 08:28.04 | piztek | is icewm still popular, i see less than ten users in the chat |
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| 08:28.54 | Penix | piztek: who cares. if it suits your needs, use it |
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| 08:31.08 | Dieterbe | Hi, i have a system with multiple smtp's, all running on different ip's on the same interface (eth0). i'm using /usr/bin/mail to send mail, which works nicely, but how can i choose which smtp instance i want to use to send the mail? i looked in man mail but there doesnt seem to be a specifier for that |
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| 08:33.41 | vaq | How can i put a password on screen ? |
| 08:34.17 | dimir | :-D |
| 08:34.33 | dimir | This question r0x. |
| 08:34.47 | Dieterbe | :) |
| 08:34.52 | dimir | Or you mean 'screen' as a program? |
| 08:35.19 | vaq | yes |
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| 08:35.38 | nanonyme | hmm, iirc screen must either be compiled with pam or be setuid root to use system passwords |
| 08:35.42 | dimir | Or you mean locking screen? |
| 08:35.43 | nanonyme | not sure though |
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| 08:36.14 | vaq | well locking the screen session with a password |
| 08:36.49 | nanonyme | ctrl+a, ctrl+x locks it and screen should use your password if it's installed properly |
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| 08:37.46 | cafuego | Dieterbe: use `nail' instead of mail and set the preferred smtp server in the cfg file. |
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| 08:47.46 | Dieterbe | cafuego: this is weird, on my system mailx is a symlink to mail |
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| 08:48.32 | petemc | Dieterbe: whats weird about that? |
| 08:49.28 | Dieterbe | well then mailx and mail are the same program on my machine |
| 08:49.48 | Dieterbe | since i couldnt figure out how to do it with mail, i wonder wether i can do it with mailx |
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| 08:50.59 | petemc | doubtful |
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| 08:52.22 | GreaseMonkey | hey, debian 4 won't mount my swap partition after a file transfer from one HD to another, how do I get it working? |
| 08:52.29 | GreaseMonkey | i think it's missing a signature |
| 08:53.14 | Dieterbe | petemc: i did man mail and man mailx but there is nothing in it about choosing which smtp server to use |
| 08:53.44 | Dieterbe | cafuego: ^^ |
| 08:53.54 | petemc | Dieterbe: they use the local sendmail |
| 08:54.01 | petemc | they dont talk smtp |
| 08:55.12 | Dieterbe | i see.. |
| 08:57.45 | GreaseMonkey | how do i prepare a swap partition so it can be used? |
| 08:58.07 | petemc | mkswap , swapon |
| 08:58.42 | GreaseMonkey | thanks |
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| 09:06.52 | Kai-laptop | where can i get a list of the repositories? the one i selected at install doesnt have some (very basic) packages i need... |
| 09:07.18 | wintix | is it possible to tell updatedb, locate and so on to store the file database somewhere else? it compromises security if you have only your data partition encrypted. if not, how would one get rid of it completely? |
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| 09:15.37 | piztek | Kai-laptop: ftp.us.debian.org? |
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| 09:19.58 | palestinian | hi |
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| 09:20.07 | palestinian | each time I try to use apt-get i get "E: Invalid operation import |
| 09:20.07 | palestinian | " |
| 09:20.15 | palestinian | always "E:invalid opration |
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| 09:23.32 | palestinian | hello? |
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| 09:24.43 | jetscreamer | even apt-get update? |
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| 09:26.15 | GreaseMonkey | night all |
| 09:26.35 | militant | ok, so i'm thoroughly confused. got a sempron 3200+ box today, free by some miracle. is that an athlon64, basically? which kernel image should i be using here |
| 09:26.50 | militant | i'm looking at a msg board about it but i'm genuinely confused |
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| 09:27.25 | cafuego | militant: It's a k7, use a k7 or i686 kernel. |
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| 09:28.01 | militant | cafuego: i'm not sure it's a k7. that's the confusion. k8's are the 64bit, and that's what linux is reporting |
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| 09:28.24 | jetscreamer | some semprons are 64 bit iirc, not positive |
| 09:28.33 | jetscreamer | go to amd.com and find out |
| 09:29.03 | cafuego | militant: Desktop machine? |
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| 09:29.17 | matiu_ | how can I change what "hostname -f" returns ? |
| 09:29.17 | militant | jetscreamer: if lspci is shwoing a 64bit hyperthread hostbridge ... i've probably got a 64bit cpu, right? this machine was just *given* to me today, randomly, so i know nothing about it |
| 09:29.22 | militant | cafuego: yes. |
| 09:29.34 | cafuego | militant: Use a 32bit system, save yourself a headache. |
| 09:30.01 | cafuego | matiu_: edit /etc/hostname |
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| 09:30.12 | palestinian | jetscreamer, yes, even apt-get update |
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| 09:30.25 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 09:30.30 | matiu_ | cafuego, I did already, but no effect.. |
| 09:30.36 | militant | hmmm. i'm wondering if using the generic i386 is what's causing flightgear to hang. or if it's this annoying S3 onboard video. |
| 09:30.38 | cafuego | matiu_: Then run 'hostname -F /etc/hostname' |
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| 09:30.58 | cafuego | matiu_: it's normalkly set as boot time, just set it manually now |
| 09:31.01 | militant | cafuego: headache? what's the issue with going 64bit (and aren't there performance issues involved?) |
| 09:31.14 | palestinian | jetscreamer, apt-get update gives me an error of public key,but to fix it I need to do apt-get import key.asc and I receive the error e: invalid... |
| 09:31.32 | somian[0] | militant: you could run a tool to tell you what the cpu IS, instead of guessing. |
| 09:31.33 | cafuego | militant: Some apps that desktop users like (java/media/flash) don't work (well) on 64bit yet. |
| 09:31.58 | matiu_ | cafuego, sorry. "hostname" runs fine. but "hostname -f" is giving "hostname: Unknown host" |
| 09:32.02 | militant | cafuego: ahh, yeah that'd be an issue. lots of that stuff used here. |
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| 09:32.13 | militant | somian[0]: name one, and i'll use it :) |
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| 09:32.17 | cafuego | militant: On a desktop machine running desktop apps you're likely to see 32bit systems being slightly quicker than 64bit ones, just coz the compiler is more optimsied for 32bit as yet. |
| 09:32.24 | jetscreamer | palestinian: see /topic |
| 09:32.29 | nanonyme | hmm |
| 09:32.41 | jetscreamer | that's not how you do key's for apt i don't htink |
| 09:32.47 | militant | cafuego: so you suggest just the latest 2.6 k7 kernel. alrighty, will do |
| 09:32.48 | jetscreamer | but it is an ignorable error |
| 09:32.57 | jetscreamer | however you borke apt? |
| 09:33.01 | jetscreamer | broke? |
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| 09:33.05 | cafuego | militant: Yeah, should run just fine, at full speed :-) |
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| 09:33.27 | somian[0] | I think cpuid is a program. |
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| 09:33.59 | cafuego | militant: That said, I do run a 64bit desktop and apart from java I think I have it sorted now. probably mor of a pain than you want, though |
| 09:34.17 | militant | heh, i'll never grumble about a free machine. sempron 3300+, dvd-rw, 160gb sata, card reader (9 in 1), 21 |
| 09:34.25 | somian[0] | There are also the great diagnostics apps that come with live gnu/linuces like dsl, grml, etc |
| 09:34.30 | militant | er 21" flatscreen, really nice 5-speaker system. got lucky. |
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| 09:34.48 | cafuego | militant: And incidentally, 3d issues on an S3 chip are more than likely. |
| 09:35.14 | militant | cafuego: i figured so. i don't know if the mobo will take my gforce3 from my other box either. i doubt it :/ |
| 09:35.16 | cafuego | militant: Might be worth investing in a cheapie AGP nvidia card (6200 or something) |
| 09:35.22 | palestinian | ufff... |
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| 09:35.34 | palestinian | all the solutions need apt-get!, but my apt-get dont work! |
| 09:36.00 | dezent | throw a rock on it ! |
| 09:36.04 | dezent | sorry :( |
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| 09:37.02 | militant | fetching that kernel, cafuego. appreciate the advice. will have to fiddle on/off over the next few days to get things working smooth. hopefully flightgear will WORK, now that i have a sweet flight stick and all. |
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| 09:38.54 | Hammar | cafuego: does that imply you have flash plugin for your browser working, too? |
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| 09:40.11 | cafuego | Hammar: Yeah, via nspluginwrapper. |
| 09:40.14 | militant | hmmm am i nuts or do i notice a performance difference already? |
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| 09:41.55 | SoulChild | hey all i need your help |
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| 09:43.12 | SoulChild | I searched all files on my notebook and saved this list into a file: "find / >> FILENAME" okay,... my question now: i want to add the size of each file and sort by filesize,... how to do that? |
| 09:43.34 | SoulChild | must i write a programm or is there a simply command for that ? |
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| 09:43.38 | utrrrongeeb | Can joystick detection be disabled on boot without affecting anything else? |
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| 09:46.12 | cafuego | SoulChild: du -a | sort -n |
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| 09:46.34 | SoulChild | cafuego: can u give me the whole command please |
| 09:46.55 | cafuego | SoulChild: I just did. |
| 09:46.59 | SoulChild | cafuego: ahh this is the whole command thank you |
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| 09:48.35 | Hammar | What performance improvements can be expected after building a custom kernel? |
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| 09:49.18 | cafuego | Hammar: Quicker booting, not much else. |
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| 09:49.46 | desper | my keyboard is not working on debian .............. ?? any help |
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| 09:50.12 | Hammar | i'll file it under "things to do when bored" then ;) |
| 09:50.41 | metbsd | how do i check what package a file is belong to |
| 09:50.47 | SoulChild | cafuego: how do i exclude directories ? |
| 09:51.00 | utrrrongeeb | desper: Is it not working at all or not working correctly? PS/2 or USB? |
| 09:51.04 | stew | metbsd: /msg dpkg search |
| 09:51.26 | desper | it's PS/2 and before it was working with debian |
| 09:52.16 | desper | utrrrongeeb, i test that i is working |
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| 09:52.50 | desper | utrrrongeeb, i run 1 script i think after that some thing happen with that |
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| 09:53.13 | utrrrongeeb | desper: Does anything happen when you type on it? What script was that? |
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| 09:55.03 | unknow990 | Hello Guys |
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| 09:55.40 | desper | utrrrongeeb, iam trying to install SRSS and there is a script called kbdshortcuts i run that i think just bcoz of that keyboard is not working ,,,, anyways can u tell me from where i can set the default keyboard setting |
| 09:55.51 | unknow990 | can anybody help me to integrate my debian to exchange server?? |
| 09:57.10 | utrrrongeeb | desper: What is SRSS? |
| 09:57.19 | bolt | how can I change ownership of a symlink? I keep changing the ownership of the target instead |
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| 09:57.54 | desper | its thin client solution from sun mico systems |
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| 09:57.56 | N`Kr1pt | Hi, I want to install gnupg on my Sarge machine, but I get this message and I dare not to continue: The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 09:57.56 | N`Kr1pt | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:58.07 | russo | hi guys |
| 09:58.10 | Aymen | hi everybody |
| 09:58.13 | russo | what was the network configuration command in debian |
| 09:58.15 | russo | i forgot |
| 09:58.22 | russo | that starts the thing that runs after install |
| 09:58.25 | russo | the blue screen one |
| 09:58.28 | Aymen | I need to reinstall grub on the MBR |
| 09:58.45 | russo | Aymen: do it :) |
| 09:58.52 | Aymen | and I have no access to Debian |
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| 09:59.06 | themill | Aymen: try a live cd |
| 09:59.22 | Aymen | I don't know how to do it booting on the Etch CD |
| 09:59.28 | utrrrongeeb | desper: I don't know very much about keyboard configuration, so I can't really help you... Is it not working in XWindows or text terminals, or both? |
| 09:59.28 | themill | !tell Aymen about live cd |
| 09:59.46 | desper | on both |
| 10:00.03 | desper | utrrrongeeb, on both its not working |
| 10:00.17 | Aymen | can I do that by booting on the Etch CD? |
| 10:00.23 | desper | utrrrongeeb, but it's working on ssh |
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| 10:00.43 | N`Kr1pt | does anybody have an idea why apt wants to remove the kernel whan I want to install a package?? |
| 10:00.55 | utrrrongeeb | desper: I'm afraid I don't know enough to fix it. |
| 10:00.59 | russo | so can someone tell me what that command was |
| 10:01.03 | russo | that configures the network |
| 10:01.05 | russo | on debian |
| 10:01.08 | russo | i can't recall it |
| 10:01.22 | desper | okk coool thanks |
| 10:01.34 | Aymen | themill!!! |
| 10:01.54 | stew | N`Kr1pt: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 10:03.44 | Aymen | guys I'm a new user of Linux Debian...i'm a beginer!! |
| 10:03.47 | stew | N`Kr1pt: most likely its because you are running sarge but you are trying to install a package from etch |
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| 10:04.29 | Aymen | how can I reinstall grub by booting on Etch CD? |
| 10:04.33 | N`Kr1pt | ok stew: her is the pastebin: http://paste.lisp.org/display/45042 |
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| 10:05.52 | N`Kr1pt | and this is my sources.list: deb ftp://ftp.belnet.be/debian/ stable main |
| 10:05.52 | N`Kr1pt | deb-src ftp://ftp.belnet.be/debian/ stable main |
| 10:06.20 | stew | N`Kr1pt: right, so you are mixing sarge and etch (since stable is now etch, not sarge) |
| 10:06.26 | N`Kr1pt | oh ok |
| 10:06.33 | N`Kr1pt | should use sarge in sources.list then |
| 10:06.36 | stew | N`Kr1pt: you either need to switch "stable" to "sarge" or you need to upgrade to etch: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 10:06.57 | N`Kr1pt | k thx! |
| 10:07.55 | harpal | any one know channel working on pcap |
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| 10:08.11 | Aymen | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.26 | themill | Aymen: sorry -- was away for a bit (I have a day job :) |
| 10:08.42 | Aymen | no problem |
| 10:08.51 | Aymen | but please help |
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| 10:09.15 | themill | Aymen: you should be able to boot into rescue mode using the installer. Press F2 (I think!) to see the list of modes available. |
| 10:09.43 | themill | Aymen: but booting into rescue mode is not for the faint hearted. It might be easier to do it using a live cd such as knoppix. |
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| 10:10.08 | Aymen | I have knoppix |
| 10:10.22 | Aymen | so I insert knoppix and then? |
| 10:10.27 | fyrestrtr | boot from knoppox, then grub-setup /dev/hda1 (or whatever) |
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| 10:10.53 | themill | Aymen: there's actually a howto for the etch installer: /msg dpkg rescue /msg dpkg rescue-mode |
| 10:11.05 | themill | Aymen: sorry /msg dpkg rescue mode |
| 10:11.26 | Aymen | i find this in knoppix? |
| 10:11.48 | desper | can any buddy tell how i can set the default keyboard setting plz |
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| 10:12.33 | yangvnc | could someone review this error - http://paste.debian.net/33272 |
| 10:12.40 | somian[0] | Since me isn't a buddy he cannot help. |
| 10:12.43 | yangvnc | its ffmpeg error |
| 10:14.04 | themill | Aymen: no.. these are instructions for using the etch installer to reinstall grub. |
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| 10:14.22 | themill | Aymen: Are you familiar with the irc command /msg? |
| 10:14.30 | Aymen | no |
| 10:14.45 | Aymen | one minute |
| 10:15.16 | themill | !tell Aymen about msg |
| 10:15.16 | Aymen | I boot on knoppix and then what? |
| 10:15.25 | themill | !tell Aymen about rescue |
| 10:15.28 | themill | !tell Aymen about rescue mode |
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| 10:18.57 | user1_ | is there way to setup command line mail client to test a smtp? |
| 10:19.05 | petemc | mutt |
| 10:19.30 | petemc | unless the mta is non local |
| 10:19.42 | user1_ | mta is on network, but non local |
| 10:19.52 | petemc | then mutt is no good |
| 10:20.20 | themill | user1_: for testing, you can always use telnet or netcat |
| 10:20.32 | user1_ | i want to test smtp authentication |
| 10:20.36 | user1_ | can telnet do that? |
| 10:20.36 | petemc | swaks |
| 10:21.41 | themill | petemc: ohhh... that sounds like a nice toy :) |
| 10:21.46 | petemc | not unless you can type base64 |
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| 10:22.02 | somian[0] | That's a geek skill, heh |
| 10:22.18 | themill | user1_: if you're trying a TLS connection then you can't use telnet or nc either. |
| 10:22.32 | user1_ | ok good, so any suggestion to test it? |
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| 10:22.50 | user1_ | the acl does not allow me to connect to smtp from non-local |
| 10:22.57 | russo | hey guys is there a way to run base-config under etch? |
| 10:22.58 | user1_ | the inbound smtp |
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| 10:23.02 | russo | what happened to it? :( |
| 10:23.05 | russo | why is it gone? |
| 10:23.08 | themill | user1_: petermc suggested swaks |
| 10:23.16 | user1_ | that's a client? |
| 10:23.39 | user1_ | cool, thanks |
| 10:23.46 | somian[0] | Anyone know how I can unfreeze my CUPS printer? |
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| 10:25.18 | eth01 | j #3com |
| 10:25.43 | themill | somian[0]: what do you mean by frozen? |
| 10:25.46 | russo | somian[0]: are you sure its "frozen" |
| 10:25.55 | themill | somian[0]: is the queue stopped? |
| 10:26.00 | russo | yeah |
| 10:26.03 | russo | thats what i was gonna ask |
| 10:26.12 | themill | :) great minds and all that |
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| 10:26.35 | russo | gah i'm still so mad base-config isn't around anymore |
| 10:26.43 | russo | how am i supposed to easily configure everything now |
| 10:27.20 | russo | themill: what do you have to say to that :P do you think i can install the oldstable base-config? |
| 10:27.43 | somian[0] | The queue is stopped, indeed. For several days now. I found no way to tell the printer to print the queued jobs (thus i am asking, desperate) |
| 10:27.43 | themill | russo: nfi |
| 10:28.01 | russo | nfi? |
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| 10:28.09 | petemc | russo: /msg dpkg base-config has some urls that go some way to explaining |
| 10:28.14 | russo | ok |
| 10:28.27 | themill | somian[0]: ok. Do you have a tool that you normally use? the cups web interface or KDE print manager? |
| 10:28.51 | themill | russo: "no fscking idea" |
| 10:28.58 | russo | :D |
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| 10:30.00 | somian[0] | I "normally" use CUPS (since this is a fairly new installation, things are not quite "normal" yet). I use the GNOME desktop (as opposed to KDE). |
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| 10:31.11 | themill | somian[0]: ok... I'm not sure how to do it under gnome, but you can try the web interface. I presume it's on your local machine... try going to http://localhost:631/ |
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| 10:31.25 | themill | somian[0]: you can "start" the printer from there |
| 10:32.00 | russo | petemc: so theres no way out is there |
| 10:32.05 | russo | i'll have to do it by hand :/ |
| 10:32.14 | petemc | do what, exactly? |
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| 10:33.32 | amee2k | hello everyone |
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| 10:35.50 | amee2k | i just set up a new debian box and ran `apt-get upgrade`. it shows "16 upgraded, [...], and 104 not upgraded.". how can i force these updates (or find out why they have been kept back, if this could be important) ? |
| 10:36.15 | themill | amee2k: etch? |
| 10:36.45 | amee2k | 3.1 stable netinst |
| 10:36.48 | somian[0] | The printer was already "started", themill; I stopped and restarted from CUPS. The jobs are still hanging there in the queue. |
| 10:36.56 | amee2k | for i386 |
| 10:37.04 | amee2k | i can't remember all the code names |
| 10:37.22 | petemc | amee2k: use dist-upgrade |
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| 10:37.25 | user1_ | i finally got exim4 to work with all those plugins |
| 10:37.34 | stew | amee2k: show us the actual output, also show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 10:37.37 | themill | amee2k: if it's 3.1 then its sarge. a dist-upgrade will probably upgrade you to etch though |
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| 10:38.02 | themill | amee2k: you don't want to do that without reading the release notes and you should use aptitude not apt-get |
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| 10:38.52 | amee2k | why aptitude? people keep saying that, but using apt-* and dpkg-* worked perfectly so far |
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| 10:39.33 | themill | !why aptitude |
| 10:39.33 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
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| 10:40.02 | amee2k | hm... |
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| 10:40.34 | themill | amee2k: for sarge->etch, apt-get will try to uninstall half your system but aptitude will just do it. |
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| 10:40.48 | somian[0] | The printer we're dealing with is an HP DeskJet 3920. The driver is the FooMatic/hpijs (HPLIP) |
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| 10:41.48 | themill | somian[0]: sometimes you need to manually restart each job in the queue too |
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| 10:41.55 | amee2k | mine just wanted to remove three packages. base-config and a two others |
| 10:42.00 | user1_ | i just think it's stupid to make dynamic exim4 conference file |
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| 10:42.11 | somian[0] | I would if I could, themill ;-( |
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| 10:42.25 | amee2k | but why doesn't someone use aptitude's advanced algorithms in apt-get then? |
| 10:42.25 | themill | somian[0]: what error messages are you getting? |
| 10:42.43 | somian[0] | IOW, themill ... what you are telling me doesn't correlate with the UI that I am seeing in CUPS. |
| 10:42.55 | somian[0] | No error messages. |
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| 10:43.26 | themill | somian[0]: hmmm.... if there are no error messages, then it should be printing.... |
| 10:43.35 | somian[0] | The printer is simply sitting there, with 4 jobs in the queue, like a big dumb hunk of trash. |
| 10:43.59 | somian[0] | And before it's asked, yes, of course the printer works. I've printed many times with it. |
| 10:44.07 | somian[0] | Under Debian. |
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| 10:44.23 | billybong1 | where does one go to recruit debian / linux folks in the UK? |
| 10:44.26 | themill | somian[0]: you're at a web page with a url that looks like http://localhost:631/printers/Your_printer_name ? |
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| 10:45.00 | somian[0] | Yes, themill |
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| 10:45.45 | themill | somian[0]: and the printer status is "idle, accepting jobs" |
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| 10:46.24 | themill | somian[0]: the words is uses are "Printer state" |
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| 10:46.50 | cxemka | where is smtpd.conf in newest cyrus-sasl? haven't find it in /usr/local/lib/sasl2 |
| 10:46.51 | degantyll | cxemka: ASL? Isn't that like...an STD? --> http://www.stopasl.com |
| 10:47.09 | subx | how do you copy and overwrite a directory full of files and files in the sub-directories ? |
| 10:47.24 | somian[0] | I have 1 "processing since" and 3 "pending since"-es under STATE |
| 10:48.22 | somian[0] | The "processing since" is not the oldest ... Tue 24 Jul 2007 06:41:23 AM America/New_York |
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| 10:48.55 | themill | somian[0]: in the job list, try "Reprint Job" on one of them. The one that is actually processing might be hung and might just need to be cancelled :( |
| 10:49.09 | somian[0] | Ah, misunderstood you before. "Printer State: processing, accepting jobs, published." |
| 10:49.13 | Gnea | hrmmm |
| 10:49.28 | somian[0] | I've tried "Reprint job" twice and each time it gives me an error; |
| 10:50.27 | themill | somian[0]: an error message... this is good :) what was/is the message? |
| 10:50.30 | somian[0] | "Error: Job #NN is not complete!" (where NN is some number) |
| 10:50.39 | themill | somian[0]: useful :( |
| 10:50.48 | somian[0] | right |
| 10:50.51 | Gnea | somian[0]: have you tried restarting cups? |
| 10:51.12 | billybong1 | somian[0]: has anything ever printed via this cups on this printer? |
| 10:51.25 | Gnea | billybong1: he already said yes, it has |
| 10:51.34 | cxemka | Guys, i can't configure smtp auth via cyrus-sasl2 on postfix, even i did all like written in postfix.org |
| 10:51.49 | cxemka | can someone give a useful help |
| 10:52.23 | user1_ | i use exim |
| 10:52.24 | themill | somian[0]: Try deleting everything from the queue and then in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf set LogLevel to debug. Then print something and you'll get thousands of lines of debug noise. Pastebin that and it might help. |
| 10:52.30 | user1_ | great mta |
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| 10:52.47 | themill | somian[0]: hmm |
| 10:52.51 | Gnea | somian[0]: btw, what branch of debian are you using? |
| 10:52.58 | snxjoe | I am trying to install etch but it keeps freezing on 33% formatting partitions, any idead? |
| 10:53.16 | Gnea | snxjoe: try another hd |
| 10:53.28 | somian[0] | Etch |
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| 10:54.54 | snxjoe | Gnea, I have and it still freezes at 33% using netinstall |
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| 10:55.21 | somian[0] | Well, I knocked off cupsd with extreme prejudice at least ;-( |
| 10:55.22 | Gnea | somian[0]: since it's an HP, i highly suggest NOT using the foomatic crap, but using HP's actual driver backend (the hplip package) |
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| 10:55.34 | Gnea | snxjoe: try another cd |
| 10:55.48 | somian[0] | Gnea: I'm just going to direct you to read back in the channel. |
| 10:55.59 | somian[0] | Gnea; just so you don't waste time. |
| 10:56.43 | Gnea | somian[0]: i can see most of it on the screen now, reading back any further would be a waste of time. if you don't want any help, then stop complaining and fix it already. |
| 10:57.18 | somian[0] | Gnea: take your arrogance and lazy stupidity and ignorant uselessness and fuck off already. |
| 10:57.41 | Gnea | somian[0]: interesting, your negative attitude is not required here. |
| 10:58.00 | somian[0] | Thanks for helping me swell my already prodigious #debian creep filter. |
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| 10:58.41 | Gnea | thank you for proving that you are one of the few that don't deserve to be helped. |
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| 10:59.02 | somian[0] | btw, others, the HPLIP driver and foomatic are both listed as the driver system for this printer under CUPS. They're not mutually exclusive according to what I am seeing. Therefore, ignorance. |
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| 10:59.37 | Gnea | no one else cares because no one else can/will fix it, you just dug yourself a hole. |
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| 11:02.02 | cloakable | Gnea: :) |
| 11:02.56 | Gnea | cloakable: it's okay, he's from buffalo, the place has been cursed for years |
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| 11:03.46 | user1_ | so i'm wondering, if i want to setup a webserver behind a router, i need to redirect the port for httpd, right? |
| 11:03.56 | billybong1 | ok, I need to recruit a fairly solid debian person who wants to learn VoIP stuff in the UK. Any idea where to start looking? |
| 11:04.14 | Gnea | user1_: basically |
| 11:04.14 | billybong1 | user1_: often that's what you'd do, if the router was using NAT |
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| 11:04.49 | Gnea | billybong1: you're better off looking for someone in the ubuntu section, they're legally and properly marketable |
| 11:04.54 | user1_ | billybong1, so the voip server is in uk? |
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| 11:05.37 | somian[0] | Possibly on developers lists (mailing lists), billybong1 - but if you are inconsiderate about how you attempt contact you justifiably be reviled. I am not suggesting spamming such a list, btw, I mean *read* it and see who's clueful and then try private email to them. |
| 11:05.42 | Aymen | themill r u here? |
| 11:06.05 | somian[0] | s/you justifiably/you will justifiably/ |
| 11:06.07 | billybong1 | Gnea: debian/ubuntu are both fine to me |
| 11:06.08 | yangvnc | could someone review this ffmpeg error - http://paste.debian.net/33272 ...Its some sort of an issue with libavcodec I guess? |
| 11:06.11 | billybong1 | user1_: yes |
| 11:06.28 | billybong1 | somian[0]: yes it's hard to find out how to approach people |
| 11:06.41 | frk2 | why isnt there a identity management/auditing solution for opensource software? I mean something to manage openldap/AFS/Linux file permissions/Asterisk/apache centrally? |
| 11:06.41 | billybong1 | a #debian-jobs channel would be good |
| 11:06.57 | frk2 | or there is and I am not aware? |
| 11:07.01 | somian[0] | <shrug> being a recruiter is no picnic |
| 11:07.06 | billybong1 | frk2: isn't that just ldap? |
| 11:07.16 | frk2 | billybong1 in an ideal world yes |
| 11:07.21 | billybong1 | hey, I'm really a hacker, but I need another hacker |
| 11:07.23 | frk2 | but so MANY solutions dont talk to ldap |
| 11:07.33 | Aymen | hey guys I need to reinstall grub using the rescue mode offered by the Etch CD..but I don't know the steps! |
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| 11:07.45 | somian[0] | billybong1: thus you are now a recruiter |
| 11:07.49 | Aymen | can someone tellmewhat to do? |
| 11:08.11 | frk2 | and besides, LDAP doesnt do things like auditing, etc. |
| 11:08.16 | billybong1 | so somewhere there must be a bunch of hackers that want work |
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| 11:08.31 | somian[0] | billybong1: I don't think so! |
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| 11:08.33 | billybong1 | frk2: PAM? |
| 11:08.47 | frk2 | no man I mean centrally |
| 11:08.51 | Aymen | hello guys! |
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| 11:09.04 | frk2 | 150 servers in a bank cant go to each one individually and do whois |
| 11:09.05 | Aymen | please help new |
| 11:09.06 | billybong1 | that's the problem with hackers - they just sit in their little holes eating pizza |
| 11:09.18 | kalkin | 1hi |
| 11:09.21 | billybong1 | frk2: pam_ldap? |
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| 11:09.24 | Qodosh | I love pizza, and holes. |
| 11:09.24 | Qodosh | :( |
| 11:09.29 | somian[0] | billybong1: I haven't seen anything that really looks like that. It isn't how it works. FLOSS hackers keep busy when they are out of work or dissatisfied, at least the ones you want do. They are scattered all over in different projects. |
| 11:09.35 | jatt | you mean, crackers? |
| 11:09.41 | billybong1 | Qodosh: yeah, me too, but it does make it hard for people to recruit me |
| 11:09.42 | Gnea | Aymen: apt-get install pinfo && pinfo grub <--- this will tell you precisely how to do it |
| 11:09.43 | frk2 | nevermind |
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| 11:09.53 | frk2 | you seem to be in a funny mood :) |
| 11:09.54 | kalkin | how can i populate dev, after i've done chroot? |
| 11:09.57 | somian[0] | jatt: I'd say so ... at least if this is suddenly a Hollywood movie ;) |
| 11:09.57 | billybong1 | frk2: maybe if you explain a bit more about what you need |
| 11:10.08 | Qodosh | the terms hackers is so used in the negative sense in the media you might as well give in to it |
| 11:10.08 | Qodosh | :p |
| 11:10.19 | Aymen | but my problem is that I have no access to debian now |
| 11:10.35 | frk2 | have you ever used OpenAFS for example? |
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| 11:10.38 | Aymen | because I've installed win XP after debian |
| 11:11.09 | somian[0] | Qodosh: my personal commitment is to *not* ... but then i am an unusual stubborn, persistant person. Anyway, I believe in "taking back the language". |
| 11:11.26 | billybong1 | frk2: looked at it but not used it - it dosen't seem mature enough for real life |
| 11:11.27 | Gnea | Aymen: you need to boot the etch cd in rescue mode |
| 11:11.39 | frk2 | wow are you serious? |
| 11:11.40 | frk2 | anyways |
| 11:11.42 | Aymen | yes and then what to do? |
| 11:11.50 | frk2 | we are running banks on it |
| 11:11.52 | Aymen | please Gnea step by step |
| 11:12.01 | billybong1 | frk2: well it was a while ago that I looked :-) |
| 11:12.13 | frk2 | heheh its been in development for 10 years |
| 11:12.18 | somian[0] | Aymen: you want a Debian/Windwoes Dual Boot HOWTO then. |
| 11:12.36 | Aymen | ok.. |
| 11:12.38 | frk2 | its the only filesystem that can boast of 50,000 concurrent distributed users accessing it without slowdown |
| 11:12.38 | Gnea | Aymen: boot up the cd, then boot it with a root=/dev/hda2 or whatever your root partition is, it should let you in to get it fixed |
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| 11:13.12 | Aymen | ok..hope I'll find no pb |
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| 11:13.36 | Gnea | obviously, somian[0] has not figured out the difference between paid and free tech support |
| 11:13.39 | billybong1 | frk2: sounds lke I might need to look at it again |
| 11:14.01 | Qodosh | somian: understandable, personally I think crackers are overly villainized anways. |
| 11:15.00 | Aymen | so when I'm in the rescue mode I just type root=/dev/hda2 ? |
| 11:15.00 | somian[0] | Aymen: I know for a fact that if you cannot, you are probably doing the wrong thing by beling involved in computer technology, and ought to try greens maintenance at a golf course or some such instead. |
| 11:15.22 | Aymen | In fact..I'm using linux for the first time |
| 11:15.39 | billybong1 | somian[0]: greens maintenance is quite difficult |
| 11:15.40 | user1_ | wow your first time and you are already so good at it! |
| 11:15.47 | user1_ | you have great potential |
| 11:15.48 | Aymen | I only have some theoritical knowledge |
| 11:15.56 | billybong1 | I would rather try to boot debian |
| 11:16.01 | user1_ | when i was on my first time, i didn't know what i was doing |
| 11:16.05 | Aymen | just why I'm asking for a step by step help |
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| 11:16.10 | Gnea | Aymen: don't let somian[0] get to you, he's just a n00b himself |
| 11:16.17 | Qodosh | my first time on linux I chose slackware |
| 11:16.17 | user1_ | you are so talent with limited knowledge |
| 11:16.19 | Qodosh | that was fun |
| 11:16.23 | Qodosh | note the sarcasm |
| 11:16.28 | somian[0] | But its a different set of skills and aptitudes, billybong1 -- it's not meant as an insult, therefore, just a neutral observation. |
| 11:16.37 | Aymen | ok Gnea.. |
| 11:16.59 | Gnea | Aymen: did you get the debian cd to give you a boot prompt? |
| 11:17.09 | Aymen | yes |
| 11:17.14 | billybong1 | somian[0]: well I'm not sure why someone failing to boot their debian shjould be good at golf course maintenance |
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| 11:17.45 | somian[0] | It was only an example, man ;-) |
| 11:17.50 | Gnea | Aymen: okay, does it give you some options if you press F2 or F3? |
| 11:18.00 | somian[0] | Note the "or some such" ... ? |
| 11:18.01 | Aymen | please somian[0], if u don't need to help, just let the others do it!! |
| 11:18.14 | somian[0] | I beg your pardon? |
| 11:18.18 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 11:18.23 | Aymen | yeah..I should choose f4 for rescue mode |
| 11:18.38 | Aymen | no pb somian[0] |
| 11:18.40 | somian[0] | You're ranting now, Aymen. I did offer you help, which you ignored |
| 11:18.48 | Gnea | Aymen: he's trolling, ignore him |
| 11:18.55 | Gnea | !troll somian[0] |
| 11:19.01 | Aymen | ok Gnea |
| 11:19.41 | somian[0] | No, no problem, thanks for your help with my List, and bye bye. I advise you to tuck in your arms and legs, Aymen, so you don't bark them on the stone walls of the Well of Eternal Despair on the way down. ETA at bottom is ~12 minutes, btw. |
| 11:19.49 | Gnea | Aymen: i don't have a cd with me - what does the F4 tell you? |
| 11:20.11 | Gnea | ~troll somian[0] |
| 11:20.11 | apt | ACTION hereby declares somian[0] a troll |
| 11:20.17 | Aymen | rescue mode |
| 11:20.33 | Gnea | Aymen: anything else, specifically? |
| 11:20.54 | somian[0] | This, from a guy named "ibot"? Heh |
| 11:21.14 | Aymen | there is 2 choices then, a promt rescue mode and a graphic mode |
| 11:21.25 | Gnea | go for the prompt |
| 11:21.44 | Aymen | and then |
| 11:21.53 | Gnea | well do that now |
| 11:21.59 | Gnea | and see what happens |
| 11:22.55 | Aymen | just one min please |
| 11:23.01 | Aymen | i'll be back |
| 11:23.11 | Gnea | ok |
| 11:23.11 | somian[0] | Appears some folks could use a look at the Wikipedia definition for "Internet Troll" to get educated as to the proper meaning of common terms. |
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| 11:23.37 | user1_ | somian[0], troll? |
| 11:25.34 | billybong1 | somian[0]: the more you go on about this the more you prove their point |
| 11:25.46 | billybong1 | just put it behind you and move on |
| 11:26.56 | somian[0] | Good luck with your recuiting, billybong1 ... I see you already have the required expertise in human psychology, to accomplish your task. |
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| 11:27.38 | somian[0] | ... what was "their point" exactly?, btw ... ? |
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| 11:28.04 | somian[0] | That they don't like someone and therefore find the most popular name to call them? |
| 11:28.07 | rapha | Hi all! |
| 11:28.14 | rapha | What is the easiest-to-configure MTA under Debian? |
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| 11:28.26 | Ronin | somian[0]: best just let it go and move on, you ever hear the one about arguing on the internet and special olympics? |
| 11:28.26 | somian[0] | That's very sophisticated stuff, i can hardly compete with that ;-D |
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| 11:28.33 | Gnea | rapha: exim4 |
| 11:28.37 | rapha | Thx Gnea! |
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| 11:29.10 | qwertz_ | Hi, does anybody know if there are (debian) linux tools to monitor a 3ware raid (7000)? |
| 11:29.28 | somian[0] | plonk ... plonk ...plonk ... billybong1 ... where can I recruit an out of work Air Traffic Controller? |
| 11:29.53 | AKX | How can I change the default font size of K apps (Konsole's menus, for instance), I don't have KDE installed (want to keep my installation light). |
| 11:30.16 | tossebear | qwertz_: i dont know about your controller, but 3ware have linux tools for download |
| 11:30.31 | somian[0] | Crap, CUPSd is pegging the cpu *again*. |
| 11:30.38 | Gnea | !ops somian[0] is extremely annoying, offtopic and continues to troll. he also had some sort of fake problem that didn't need to be solved. |
| 11:30.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: gnea complains about: somian[0] is extremely annoying, offtopic and continues to troll. he also had some sort of fake problem that didn't need to be solved. |
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| 11:31.21 | Gnea | Aymen: hey, any luck? |
| 11:31.32 | somian[0] | Nice! public lying. |
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| 11:31.44 | somian[0] | Let me make sure to save this chat ... |
| 11:32.09 | Aymen | in fact..I get into the rescue mode |
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| 11:32.15 | zwerg | Hi there. |
| 11:32.27 | qwertz_ | tossebear, thanks for the hint |
| 11:32.28 | somian[0] | Cool ... I'll have a URL next time so that people who need to be warned who to avoid can review for themselves. |
| 11:32.36 | zwerg | Is there a way to get the date of installation of a Debian system? |
| 11:32.38 | Aymen | and then what I see is like a will reinstall my system |
| 11:32.48 | somian[0] | zwerg: good question. |
| 11:33.08 | Gnea | Aymen: you should be able to alt-f2 and then run the grub installation |
| 11:33.31 | Gnea | zwerg: yes. |
| 11:33.38 | Aymen | using apt-install grub? |
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| 11:35.09 | Gnea | Aymen: it's already installed, just run grub-install |
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| 11:35.33 | Aymen | ok thanx a lot Gnea..u r so cute! |
| 11:35.52 | Ronin | heh |
| 11:36.05 | zwerg | Gnea: Could you tell me then? :) |
| 11:36.06 | Aymen | hope u can make this somian[0] a little bit like u! |
| 11:36.09 | Gnea | Aymen: here, read this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=516830 |
| 11:36.58 | abrotman | Gnea: help me! |
| 11:37.37 | Gnea | zwerg: there should be a logfile in root's homedir that has the date |
| 11:37.43 | rapha | Gnea: do I understand correctly that if my machine has a fixed IP address, it is _not_ a smarthost of any kjnd? |
| 11:38.05 | Gnea | rapha: negative. |
| 11:38.14 | tarzeau | what's wrong when i get Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 11:38.16 | Gnea | rapha: a smarthost acts as a proxy |
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| 11:38.23 | abrotman | Gnea: help me! |
| 11:38.29 | Gnea | !beer abrotman |
| 11:38.34 | somian[0] | It is usually *not* a problem, tarzeau ... howareya btw |
| 11:38.34 | abrotman | good enough! |
| 11:38.40 | Gnea | :) |
| 11:38.45 | rapha | Thx Gnea |
| 11:38.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: you're not loading the xrandr module in your xorg conf file .. or your driver isn't compatible |
| 11:38.54 | somian[0] | tarzeau: are you running Xnest, btw? |
| 11:38.55 | tarzeau | somian[0]: but i want to rotate my display |
| 11:39.07 | tarzeau | somian[0]: no, i run 5 screens on my computer now :) |
| 11:39.24 | tarzeau | well i'll have to give away 2 that are different, but eventually get a 4th |
| 11:39.49 | somian[0] | Hmm, well, I am not a X11 mage, but basically I think it means that the Xorg driver for your adapter doesn't have that extension. |
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| 11:40.25 | Aymen | bye Gnea! |
| 11:40.32 | Gnea | Aymen: have fun! |
| 11:40.35 | somian[0] | tarzeau: 5 screens ... 5 physical monitors?! |
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| 11:41.03 | Aymen | ok thanx..I'll tell u next time If that worked or not |
| 11:41.12 | rapha | Gnea: on a virtual server with no loopback interface (where I will have to allow exim to listen on the public interface), can I still prevent it from becoming an open relay for spammers? |
| 11:41.18 | tarzeau | somian[0]: yes what else? :) |
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| 11:41.33 | Gnea | rapha: yes. |
| 11:41.39 | somian[0] | As you must know, that's fairly insane ;-) |
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| 11:42.00 | abrotman | somian[0]: meet tarzeau |
| 11:42.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm going to UK for a few days |
| 11:42.24 | somian[0] | My best guess, tarzeau, is that you need in-depth X11/Xorg help that you are not likely to find on a generalist channel (or maybe any channel) |
| 11:42.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's wet there |
| 11:42.28 | tarzeau | if someone wants to meet me on the selfbuilt bastard skateboard |
| 11:42.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm waterproof :) |
| 11:42.45 | somian[0] | abrotman: we've already met. tarzeau s an old friend (in irc terms) ;) |
| 11:42.46 | abrotman | i bet you're not |
| 11:42.52 | rapha | Gnea: [... , and if so, how?] :-) |
| 11:43.01 | abrotman | somian[0]: it was a joke |
| 11:43.08 | Gnea | tarzeau: #debian is, apparantly, spun too far to the generalist side to be of any help to anyone anymore. |
| 11:43.10 | somian[0] | I get it ;) |
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| 11:43.29 | billybong1 | /jion #ubuntu |
| 11:43.35 | earthian | :o |
| 11:43.39 | earthian | hello |
| 11:43.44 | somian[0] | tarzeau: Are you using Xinerama or ... ? |
| 11:44.03 | tarzeau | somian[0]: yes xinerama on two displays , but i've gotten 10 new screens and well don't have enough space for all of them |
| 11:44.18 | Gnea | rapha: just configure it |
| 11:44.20 | tarzeau | somian[0]: here's an old picture http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/atwerk.jpg |
| 11:44.25 | rapha | Gnea: k :) |
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| 11:45.25 | Gnea | tarzeau: what about beryl? |
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| 11:46.24 | somian[0] | Let me fire up iceweasel, tarzeau |
| 11:47.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's also possible that xrandr isn't compatible with xinerama .. check your X log |
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| 11:48.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'll test that stuff |
| 11:48.30 | somian[0] | You have a major infestation of mice, tarzeau ;) ... and are those Shuttle boxen? |
| 11:48.49 | tarzeau | somian[0]: yeah but i don't have those anymore, but more powerful computers under my desk :) |
| 11:48.51 | somian[0] | abrotman: good call. i have a feeling that may be right. |
| 11:49.12 | somian[0] | tarzeau: yeah? i have one, i love that form factor |
| 11:49.15 | tarzeau | Gnea: who needs beryl? i can look out the window and see the nicest chicks walk around |
| 11:49.39 | tarzeau | Gnea: if there'd exist great webcam streaming software you could see them as well |
| 11:49.48 | Gnea | tarzeau: camE |
| 11:50.01 | tarzeau | somian[0]: i'll make new photos once it's all setup |
| 11:50.13 | tarzeau | Gnea: i've got a firewire cam for a mac |
| 11:50.24 | tarzeau | Gnea: and an usb cam that i can't get to work on linux (2.6) |
| 11:50.45 | Gnea | tarzeau: send it to me, i'll *make* it work ;) |
| 11:51.03 | tarzeau | Gnea: if you're in switzerland, i can even bring it personally |
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| 11:52.53 | Gnea | tarzeau: what cam is it anyway? |
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| 11:53.01 | Evian | hellloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 11:53.05 | Evian | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.09 | Evian | how u doin?! |
| 11:53.13 | Evian | wazzup |
| 11:53.16 | Evian | bizzatch |
| 11:53.20 | Evian | im sucking fucking freaking |
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| 11:53.27 | streuner | !tell Evian about ask |
| 11:53.55 | Evian | WHAT? |
| 11:53.57 | Evian | HAHA |
| 11:53.59 | Evian | funy :AD |
| 11:54.02 | Evian | im from india |
| 11:54.07 | azeem | Evian: do you have a Debian question? |
| 11:54.08 | Ronin | Evian: do you have a debian question? |
| 11:54.10 | Evian | big programmer in university of india |
| 11:54.10 | Ronin | doh |
| 11:54.10 | Evian | yes |
| 11:54.16 | rapha | Gnea: I think I got it configured now to do what I need. What would be a good accompanying POP3 server? |
| 11:54.17 | somian[0] | Anyone notice the difference? Or is it just me that can see the obvious difference between a troll and someone who merely won't take crap from IRC assholes? |
| 11:54.23 | Evian | we is installing debian on our pentium III servers |
| 11:54.28 | Ronin | good lord somian[0] still? |
| 11:54.32 | Evian | i need some configg hellp |
| 11:54.32 | azeem | somian[0]: do you have a Debian question? |
| 11:54.35 | zwerg | Gnea: namely? |
| 11:54.35 | stew | somian[0]: keep it on-topic |
| 11:54.41 | tarzeau | Gnea: some very old and cheap philips usb cam |
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| 11:55.11 | Gnea | rapha: yes. |
| 11:55.14 | tarzeau | Gnea: both work in mac os x, but i can't find software to just do streaming like they do at http://www.webcam.ethz.ch/ |
| 11:55.32 | Gnea | rapha: er, anything but qpopper - dovecot is nice |
| 11:55.34 | rapha | rofl |
| 11:55.37 | Evian | i need configg hellp |
| 11:55.38 | rapha | k |
| 11:55.38 | rapha | thx |
| 11:55.44 | tarzeau | Gnea: i think i'll ask those who run those cams at that url. we've got a pretty large aquarium in one of the biology office... |
| 11:55.46 | Ronin | Evian: with what specifically? |
| 11:55.47 | stew | Evian: if you have a quesiton, ask it |
| 11:55.48 | abrotman | Evian: ask an actual question |
| 11:55.59 | Gnea | zwerg: namely what? |
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| 11:56.18 | Evian | ok |
| 11:56.22 | zwerg | Gnea: This logfile that should have the install date. |
| 11:56.30 | E-bola | Cna somebody tell me where the debian sarge iso's are? I cant find the net install iso iamge for sarge |
| 11:56.45 | Gnea | tarzeau: i was going to offer to pay to have that cam shipped, but then you mentioned that it's a phillips... nevermind :) |
| 11:56.48 | Evian | how do i make my debians anti ddos on pentium IIII - I from indian blacchatts? |
| 11:57.03 | zwerg | E-bola: If you want Debian stable, Etch is what you want. |
| 11:57.09 | azeem | E-bola: they're broken |
| 11:57.16 | rapha | Evian: s/IIII/IV |
| 11:57.17 | Gnea | zwerg: it's the only logfile that's in root's homedir after installation |
| 11:57.26 | E-bola | i want sarge |
| 11:57.28 | E-bola | not etch |
| 11:57.33 | Evian | how yuo min? |
| 11:57.33 | E-bola | azeem: broken? |
| 11:57.40 | Gnea | E-bola: then download and install it. |
| 11:57.49 | E-bola | Gnea: from where? That was my question |
| 11:57.52 | tarzeau | Gnea: there's a label "logitech" but i'm not sure. let me check the usb info in dmesg |
| 11:57.52 | abrotman | azeem: can't you just use the CD and edit the sources before it downloads anything ? |
| 11:57.59 | rapha | damn |
| 11:58.04 | Gnea | E-bola: oh, sorry, sec |
| 11:58.11 | abrotman | http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r5/i386/ |
| 11:58.14 | E-bola | its for a test install |
| 11:58.17 | rapha | Gnea: is there none which does not require MySQL? |
| 11:58.18 | E-bola | not a production system |
| 11:58.20 | azeem | abrotman: as in, the mirrors are broken |
| 11:58.21 | Gnea | E-bola: what abrotman said |
| 11:58.38 | azeem | well, not that one apparently |
| 11:58.39 | E-bola | abrotman: the etch cd's? |
| 11:58.42 | Evian | how doo i do dem hacking safe from indians black hatt? |
| 11:58.43 | Gnea | rapha: dovecot does not *require* mysql |
| 11:58.51 | Gnea | rapha: it's optional |
| 11:59.02 | abrotman | azeem: eh .. why? how? |
| 11:59.11 | rapha | Gnea: aptitude installs mysql when I install dovecot-pop3d ... what am I doing wrong? |
| 11:59.15 | abrotman | azeem: don't they all mirror oldstable ? |
| 11:59.16 | E-bola | mirrors are broken? |
| 11:59.20 | E-bola | but i got runnign sarge installs |
| 11:59.39 | Gnea | Evian: see this hole? o <--- look into it and concentrate... concentrate... |
| 12:00.01 | azeem | abrotman: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/project/build/3.1_r5/ is broken - if you know where else to find it on cdimage.d.o, please let me know |
| 12:00.01 | Gnea | rapha: try using apt-get instead of aptitude |
| 12:00.04 | rapha | k |
| 12:00.18 | Gnea | rapha: it may only be installing mysql libraries, not mysql itself, which is fine |
| 12:00.29 | Evian | Gnea_ then what i do? |
| 12:00.57 | rapha | Gnea: nope, it's installing mysql-common, which wants to overwrite the /etc/mysql/my.cnf of my hand-compiled MySQL |
| 12:00.59 | Evian | dont whoiss me pleaase |
| 12:01.01 | Gnea | Evian: keep concentrating while a hammer makes contact with a piece of metal. |
| 12:01.14 | Evian | what u maen? |
| 12:01.14 | stew | Gnea: please keep it constructive, or use ignore |
| 12:01.19 | rapha | apt-get is doing the same |
| 12:01.22 | abrotman | azeem: since i don't get why it's broken .. i doubt i'd be able to find something to use instead :) |
| 12:01.36 | Gnea | stew: oh i was |
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| 12:01.41 | E-bola | abrotman: Do you knwo where i can find a sarge net install iso? |
| 12:01.42 | stew | Gnea: no, you were not |
| 12:01.43 | azeem | abrotman: I don't get iso files, I get a text file with "cd" when I click on the links |
| 12:01.50 | stew | Evian: /msg dpkg securing debian |
| 12:01.52 | azeem | abrotman: maybe it's censored in germany! |
| 12:01.59 | stew | Evian: there isn't much you can do about a ddos |
| 12:02.00 | Evian | stew-o how i do hack safe? |
| 12:02.01 | abrotman | azeem: the ISOs are in a different directory |
| 12:02.07 | azeem | abrotman: which is? |
| 12:02.14 | stew | !tell Evian about securing debian |
| 12:02.20 | abrotman | azeem: for example http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r5/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 12:02.26 | azeem | that's a mirror |
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| 12:02.36 | azeem | ok, so you're saying only mirrors carry them |
| 12:02.39 | E-bola | ahh great |
| 12:02.41 | E-bola | thanks abrotman |
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| 12:02.46 | abrotman | azeem: well .. an iso is an iso :) |
| 12:02.52 | Evian | stew thank u much very |
| 12:03.16 | abrotman | azeem: i just poke around until i find a mirror that has old stuff .. the .ch mirror seems to like cruft so apparently keeps them |
| 12:03.17 | Gnea | rapha: you may need to use equivs then to put dummy mysql packages in place - usually not a good idea to install your own hand-compiled stuff without doing so |
| 12:03.20 | Evian | if u ever never visit india u are welcome to the uni vhere i sysadmin |
| 12:03.26 | somian[0] | Heh ;) |
| 12:03.32 | echoes_ | Hi, I have some truble to set up a bound interface on Debian Etch. I followed a guide but seems that /etc/network/interfaces doesn't take care about my configuration.. is it possible? Bug? |
| 12:03.32 | Evian | ok stew? |
| 12:03.36 | rapha | Gnea: k, I'll work something out then |
| 12:03.37 | Evian | u much welcome |
| 12:03.44 | azeem | abrotman: there /are/ isos for 4.0 on cdimage.d.o, direclty, there aren't (TTBOMK) for 3.1 |
| 12:03.48 | Gnea | !equivs |
| 12:03.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 12:04.11 | abrotman | azeem: yeah .. though i don't know why they always toss the old images .. i guess it's a space issue |
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| 12:05.04 | Evian | do do i make debian look like vista for studenst? |
| 12:05.07 | Evian | hypnosis dont works |
| 12:05.12 | abrotman | wtf |
| 12:05.16 | Ronin | snicker |
| 12:05.24 | Gnea | !sarge |
| 12:05.25 | dpkg | methinks sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 12:05.27 | Evian | snickers chocko very expensive in india |
| 12:05.31 | Evian | i not afford it |
| 12:05.38 | stew | Evian: please keep it on-topic |
| 12:05.49 | Evian | ok sorry |
| 12:05.56 | streuner | Evian: some people say GNOME or KDE looks (almost) like windows, so just install them GNOME or KDE |
| 12:06.27 | streuner | both reach to make the migration to Linux for users easy |
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| 12:06.38 | Ronin | i vaguely recall a xp them for kde too somewhere |
| 12:06.42 | Ronin | theme even |
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| 12:07.23 | E-bola | abrotman / azeem: Do you know if the sarge net isntall specifies, stable or sarge as the apt-get source? |
| 12:07.24 | abrotman | !xpde |
| 12:07.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, xpde is a desktop environment attempting to make it easier for the newbie. stands for "XP Desktop Environment.", or at http://www.xpde.com/ for more info. |
| 12:07.28 | Evian | streuner: thank u, my students hates the way debian looks |
| 12:07.31 | H2OyJaBoN | hi! |
| 12:07.40 | Evian | i myself dont use GUI |
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| 12:07.47 | abrotman | E-bola: i'd unplug the network cable .. do the install .. edit the sources to be correct .. then plug it back in :) |
| 12:07.49 | streuner | Evian: uh, well, Debian could looks many 1000 different ways |
| 12:07.52 | somian[0] | Hello H2OyJaBoN |
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| 12:08.00 | Aymen | Gnea: hello..I did it!! |
| 12:08.11 | Gnea | Aymen: it works ok now? |
| 12:08.13 | E-bola | abrotman: doesnt the isntaller starts downloading packages during the install? |
| 12:08.15 | H2OyJaBoN | somian[0], =) |
| 12:08.19 | Aymen | yep |
| 12:08.19 | E-bola | i mean net install requires network? |
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| 12:08.27 | Aymen | thanx a lot |
| 12:08.33 | Gnea | Aymen: glad it worked out :) enjoy |
| 12:08.42 | abrotman | E-bola: not if you odn't let it |
| 12:08.54 | abrotman | E-bola: no .. the netinst does not *require* a network |
| 12:09.00 | Aymen | Gnea: but I used the graphic mode |
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| 12:09.13 | E-bola | ok i thought it woudl cancel the install if it couldnt locate a mirror |
| 12:09.17 | E-bola | ile just remove the nic fro the vm then |
| 12:09.20 | Gnea | Aymen: if it fixed it, it fixed it |
| 12:09.23 | E-bola | thanks for your help |
| 12:09.43 | Aymen | Gnea: yeah it was so easy |
| 12:09.51 | Evian | u can help me break alghortihm? |
| 12:09.53 | Evian | RSA |
| 12:09.54 | Aymen | thanx and good luck |
| 12:10.02 | Evian | my studens math genius prodgys dumb |
| 12:10.15 | somian[0] | abrotman: got any wisdom with samba? any idea why i can ping a smb host but not connect a smb client (it's not authentication; the host is reported to be "unconnectable" ...) |
| 12:10.21 | streuner | Evian: http://art.gnome.org/screenshots/ |
| 12:10.31 | Gnea | Evian: you do know that the RSA algorithm was published years ago, right? |
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| 12:10.39 | stew | Evian: you must keep it on-topic |
| 12:10.40 | Evian | modular arithmetic rsa |
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| 12:10.47 | Aymen | Gnea: I'm going to my golf course as smian[0] told me :-p |
| 12:10.51 | Gnea | Evian: there's also #RSA |
| 12:10.52 | streuner | Evian: and thats for KDE: http://www.kde-look.org/ |
| 12:11.03 | Gnea | Aymen: lol |
| 12:11.18 | Aymen | Gnea: bye |
| 12:11.20 | streuner | Evian: there are a lot fo WM's as well..., everyone with a lot of themes |
| 12:11.22 | Evian | ok thankcs so muuch |
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| 12:11.46 | abrotman | somian[0]: firewall? |
| 12:11.46 | Evian | is there is any debian antiporn filter? |
| 12:11.56 | abrotman | Evian: google? |
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| 12:12.02 | Evian | my students horny |
| 12:12.06 | streuner | squid could do this |
| 12:12.12 | Evian | they i need to give filter |
| 12:12.13 | stew | Evian: dansguardian |
| 12:12.13 | abrotman | this is getting a bit much |
| 12:12.16 | Evian | so they not doing that |
| 12:12.17 | somian[0] | No, this smb server has none; it's an embedded linux device (a LaCie Ethernet Disk) |
| 12:12.49 | Evian | stew: dansguardian dont works on this machines |
| 12:12.49 | somian[0] | Otherwise that would be my first line of investigation too, yeah. |
| 12:12.54 | stew | Evian: why not? |
| 12:13.00 | abrotman | somian[0]: can the little device map other drive s? |
| 12:13.10 | Coke | I have a bit of a problem with my exim4 configuration and my ISP. Seems that my hostname (given by the ISP) ends with bostream.se while the MX reported is bostream.com. Some mailing lists deny me access because they think I'm relaying (which I'm sort of am), how would I fix this using the smarthost solution? |
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| 12:13.17 | Evian | i raelly donnt knoow why it so is |
| 12:13.33 | abrotman | somian[0]: can you telnet to port 139 on the little device ? |
| 12:13.37 | somian[0] | Hmmm, there's no interface available for doing that (I guess that you mean what I'd call "Act as a client') |
| 12:13.57 | Evian | http://blogs.su.se/pgeba/ |
| 12:14.13 | somian[0] | There's a Web interface for it (abrotman) |
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| 12:14.19 | azeem | abrotman: ( http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r6a/ ) |
| 12:14.37 | abrotman | somian[0]: right .. ping from your client to the host |
| 12:14.45 | somian[0] | .oO(what a shock) |
| 12:14.46 | abrotman | azeem: but nothing older than sarge |
| 12:15.03 | azeem | abrotman: that's a good thing probably |
| 12:15.07 | abrotman | azeem: which i guess would only be needed for educational reasons perhaps |
| 12:15.17 | amee2k | is it right that aptitude wants to remove 'kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386' when i try to install something? this is an old box and i deliberately install the 2.4 kernel, so it looks very much like aptitude is going to remove my only kernel |
| 12:15.30 | azeem | abrotman: actually, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/ |
| 12:15.33 | somian[0] | I don't even have telnet installed, heh |
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| 12:15.44 | abrotman | azeem: hehe .. but no potato! |
| 12:15.50 | Gnea | amee2k: you should be able to pin or hold the 2.4 in place - or use apt-get instead of aptitude |
| 12:16.02 | amee2k | lol |
| 12:16.21 | amee2k | half an hour ago everyone told me why i should use aptitude instead of apt-get... |
| 12:16.31 | stew | amee2k: its becuase you are trying to install etch packages onto sarge |
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| 12:16.40 | somian[0] | abrotman: so, I can ping from my samba machine (this one, Debian GNU/Linux) to the smb host machine (LaCie)... you want to get me pinging in the reverse sense? |
| 12:17.00 | abrotman | somian[0]: telnet <boxip> 139 |
| 12:17.01 | amee2k | so what should i do? |
| 12:17.04 | somian[0] | abrotman: I'm 99% sure that without hacking it, the LaCie offers no such console interface. |
| 12:17.07 | abrotman | amee2k: stop mixing |
| 12:17.24 | stew | amee2k: i'm guessing that your sources.list are pointing to stable instead of sarge, you need to either switch these to point to sarge, or upgrde to etch: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 12:17.27 | Gnea | amee2k: mixing only makes things worse, stick with one branch |
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| 12:18.33 | amee2k | hm... my sources.list just says 'stable'. how can i make it use only the (pre-etch) stable stuff? |
| 12:18.56 | stew | amee2k: change 'stable' to 'sarge' |
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| 12:19.10 | somian[0] | abrotman: # apt-get install inetutils-telnet ... hold on a second please |
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| 12:19.54 | marinosi | hello ..I want to setup a back up machine which has : an IDE and 3 sata(2 of them in sata pci controller ). What 's the best raid i can do for redundancy? |
| 12:19.55 | amee2k | hm... for the security updates too? (well, security doesn't really matter here but i take it if i can) |
| 12:20.05 | cloakable | abrotman: and apt-get install hunt to see why telnet is a hugely bad idea. |
| 12:20.25 | stew | amee2k: yes, security updates for sarge will continue for a few more months |
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| 12:20.46 | amee2k | so after that they'll be pretty useless, right? |
| 12:21.11 | abrotman | cloakable: what the hell are you talking about? |
| 12:21.21 | somian[0] | And WTF, even after doing that, i have no such command 'telnet' ;-D |
| 12:21.49 | Gnea | amee2k: well if you've been updating/upgrading in the past few months, you're effectively running etch, so you're probably stuck with it unless you do a reinstall with sarge |
| 12:22.16 | cloakable | abrotman: Somebody advised you to install telnet? |
| 12:22.24 | abrotman | cloakable: read the scrollback |
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| 12:22.32 | cloakable | I did |
| 12:22.32 | somian[0] | ... yup, it's named inetutils-telnet just to make sure we really know we want to do it. amusing. |
| 12:22.38 | abrotman | cloakable: apparently not |
| 12:22.54 | somian[0] | cloakable: you grasped context insufficiently. |
| 12:23.02 | amee2k | i just installed the system with a 3.1 stable netinst cd and didn't install packges from the repo yet |
| 12:23.14 | abrotman | somian[0]: did you install just the 'telnet' package? you could also check the open ports with nmap |
| 12:23.14 | cloakable | Perhaps. |
| 12:23.37 | cloakable | But telnet is still a bad idea to use :/ |
| 12:23.47 | amee2k | only the base system stuff from the disk so far. i just wanted to install my other stuff when i stubbled across the version problem |
| 12:23.54 | abrotman | cloakable: if you don't know what is being done with it .. you can't really comment can you? |
| 12:24.00 | somian[0] | Ok, abrotman, at last i have done this. what now? |
| 12:24.08 | abrotman | somian[0]: read the backscroll! |
| 12:24.09 | abrotman | :) |
| 12:24.27 | abrotman | somian[0]: telnet IP 139 |
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| 12:24.44 | abrotman | and also 135 |
| 12:24.45 | somian[0] | I just told you that I did that, abrotman |
| 12:24.54 | abrotman | did it work? or connection refused ? |
| 12:25.16 | somian[0] | It apparently worked. You know telnet. Not a user-friendly tool. |
| 12:25.29 | somian[0] | It just sits there, dumb as mud. |
| 12:25.41 | abrotman | well .. it will either say connection refused or wait for more input |
| 12:26.06 | somian[0] | Right, so I guessed that you had input you wanted me to do ... thus "what now?" |
| 12:26.07 | abrotman | also try 135 |
| 12:26.16 | somian[0] | ok-dokey |
| 12:26.29 | abrotman | somian[0]: hell no .. i don't speak that protocol :) .. just to check if it was listening! |
| 12:26.56 | abrotman | somian[0]: also .. have you asked #samba ? |
| 12:26.58 | somian[0] | THAT port gives connection refused. |
| 12:27.14 | somian[0] | Yes, I have. |
| 12:27.27 | abrotman | oh .. maybe it's not 135 .. /me checks |
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| 12:28.10 | abrotman | there are a few other ports related i suppose |
| 12:28.39 | cloakable | abrotman: using it? |
| 12:29.20 | abrotman | cloakable: using telnet ? |
| 12:29.24 | abrotman | !tell B|nTaRa[A] about away |
| 12:29.34 | cloakable | Yup :P |
| 12:29.49 | abrotman | cloakable: did you read how it was actually used ? |
| 12:30.07 | stew | cloakable: what would you recommend they use instead? |
| 12:30.22 | somian[0] | abrotman: 445 and 139 |
| 12:30.28 | cloakable | stew: Something that doesn't send passwords in plaintext x.x |
| 12:30.32 | abrotman | somian[0]: so check them |
| 12:30.39 | stew | cloakable: they aren't sending any passwords |
| 12:30.39 | abrotman | cloakable: you have no idea what you're talking about |
| 12:30.56 | abrotman | somian[0]: at this point .. you should probably call the manufacturer |
| 12:31.00 | somian[0] | abrotman: so, yeah, connects on both well-known SMB ports |
| 12:31.07 | abrotman | somian[0]: i'd call them |
| 12:31.12 | stew | cloakable: they are using telnet to test whether they can initiate tcp connections to netbios ports, but aren't sending anything over those connections |
| 12:31.14 | somian[0] | abrotman: thanks, we gave it a try, eh! |
| 12:31.18 | abrotman | somian[0]: or try another OS |
| 12:31.34 | somian[0] | I think that the trouble is really on this Debian box. |
| 12:31.44 | cloakable | Then why not use nc? |
| 12:31.50 | AngusRichardFinn | j #ubuntu.de |
| 12:32.00 | abrotman | why not use telnet |
| 12:32.07 | stew | cloakable: no reason why not, either works equally well |
| 12:32.26 | somian[0] | As I mentioned (more verbosely on #samba), there is more than one smb host on this network segment, and I can connect to none of them. So, I induce that it's this machine. |
| 12:32.30 | cloakable | nc is part of the default install, afaik. It's on mine |
| 12:32.37 | stew | cloakable: no, it is not |
| 12:32.53 | cloakable | Well I didn't install it :) |
| 12:33.07 | AKX | What do I need to dpkg-reconfigure to be able to interactively set my sources? |
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| 12:33.24 | tarzeau | AKX: why not just set them? |
| 12:33.36 | AKX | Because I can't remember them outright. |
| 12:33.40 | tarzeau | AKX: i mean it's easy. man sources.list . i made a shortcut for myself at telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 12:33.41 | somian[0] | I don't think dpkg-reconfigure has anything to do with that, AKX |
| 12:33.57 | AKX | Well, I was just thinking, since the Debian installer has the UI for it... |
| 12:33.58 | stew | cloakable: then someone else did |
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| 12:34.07 | abrotman | AKX: not anymore .. the best you get now is apt-spy |
| 12:34.21 | somian[0] | You can rerun the Debian installer, yeah, AFAIK |
| 12:34.28 | AKX | ... But I don't have the sources, abrotman :P |
| 12:34.31 | CharminTheMoose | is the new gui installer for etch a yay or nay? |
| 12:34.38 | abrotman | AKX: so .. it'll make new ones |
| 12:34.40 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: i don't like it |
| 12:34.51 | AKX | CharminTheMoose, I liked it, though you can't access the virtual consoles from it |
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| 12:34.56 | CharminTheMoose | tarzeau, why not? |
| 12:34.57 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: it's basically the textmode installer in graphics mode |
| 12:35.02 | AKX | abrotman, I don't have the sources to download it :P |
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| 12:35.13 | CharminTheMoose | hello somian[0] |
| 12:35.14 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: besides i haven't seen the installers for years (non-interactive automatic installs are yay) |
| 12:35.21 | CharminTheMoose | cool |
| 12:35.31 | abrotman | !tell AKX about sources.list |
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| 12:35.44 | CharminTheMoose | hm, shouldn't the gui installer whip open an xterm or something? |
| 12:36.26 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: and telnet nethack.alt.org ? |
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| 12:36.39 | AKX | somian[0], that indeed. |
| 12:36.45 | somian[0] | Wow ;-( |
| 12:37.17 | somian[0] | Hrm, eh, if it's running a X11-based GUI, it would need to be CTRL-ALT-F2 IIRC |
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| 12:37.25 | suwro | hello |
| 12:37.28 | HummerH3 | hi |
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| 12:37.32 | CharminTheMoose | tarzeau, uh what? |
| 12:37.57 | somian[0] | But hey, I am just a clueless troll, with no genuine technical questions for the channel, what do I know ;-) |
| 12:37.59 | HummerH3 | whats the name of polish debian channel ? |
| 12:38.12 | tarzeau | !pl |
| 12:38.12 | dpkg | [pl] perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
| 12:38.22 | HummerH3 | tx ;) |
| 12:38.24 | somian[0] | Cool :) |
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| 12:38.36 | GutterPunk | I'm trying to set up snmpd. I copied the config file from another box (centos - I can connect to that one from both the localhost and somewhere else on the network and read all data) and restarted snmpd on this debian box, but I can't get any data:"Timeout: no response.." |
| 12:38.44 | GutterPunk | Anyone know what the problem may be? |
| 12:38.59 | terraces | hi all. I cannot connect to any IRC server from my debian box, is there anything that can block it ? |
| 12:39.00 | suwro | when i try to start eclipse or google-earth i have squares instead font - and in console i have this error: Pango-CRITICAL **: _pango_cairo_font_map_get_renderer: assertion `PANGO_IS_CAIRO_FONT_MAP (fontmap)' failed -- i use debian on amd64 architecture - can somebody help me? |
| 12:39.12 | somian[0] | GutterPunk: nothing's coming to mind for me ... |
| 12:39.24 | stew | CharminTheMoose: does the gui installer use x? |
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| 12:40.21 | somian[0] | AKX: does that latter key combo work to bring you into a console, when in the new GUI installer? |
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| 12:40.32 | boy_vip | help me |
| 12:40.37 | suwro | Pango-CRITICAL **: _pango_cairo_font_map_get_renderer: assertion `PANGO_IS_CAIRO_FONT_MAP (fontmap)' failed ?? |
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| 12:40.53 | palestinian | hi,someone have a ipw3945 working? |
| 12:41.00 | palestinian | how can I install it,someone know? |
| 12:41.11 | boy_vip | help me |
| 12:41.19 | stew | boy_vip: if you have a question, ask it |
| 12:41.20 | AKX | somian[0], I tried ctrl, alt, ctrl+alt, shift+ctrl, shift+ctrl+alt, etc... but it was vmware, and a laptop, so could've been just... failing |
| 12:41.22 | palestinian | Boy what u need? |
| 12:41.39 | somian[0] | <sigh> yeah, complex |
| 12:41.49 | suwro | exit |
| 12:41.52 | boy_vip | i need license <=== |
| 12:41.57 | abrotman | for what? |
| 12:42.02 | suwro | license? |
| 12:42.06 | suwro | for linux ? |
| 12:42.14 | boy_vip | No No |
| 12:42.20 | suwro | vmware? |
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| 12:42.45 | suwro | uninstall it and install vmware-player - it's free |
| 12:42.46 | abrotman | boy_vip: license for what ? |
| 12:42.48 | stew | palestinian: you need to add contrib and non-free sources: /msg dpkg contrib ; /msg dpkg non-free ; then you need to "aptitude install ipw3945d ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945" |
| 12:42.58 | abrotman | stew: didn't you tell him that last night ? |
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| 12:43.06 | GutterPunk | Here's my config: http://pastebin.com/m668af3f9 I just don't get what's wrong... |
| 12:43.17 | stew | abrotman: no, i told him it would be possible after he installed, but gave him no instructions |
| 12:43.26 | abrotman | oh |
| 12:43.29 | suwro | D-line ? |
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| 12:43.40 | GutterPunk | in the default debian file they use another way for access control though, but I tried that one too, to no avail |
| 12:43.40 | somian[0] | Yeah, I wondered too, suwro |
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| 12:44.05 | abrotman | suwro: i'd guess like a +d |
| 12:44.06 | boy_vip | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:44.21 | abrotman | which apparently failed |
| 12:44.35 | somian[0] | God has left the channel. What a surprise ;) |
| 12:44.45 | suwro | ok - gone to search on google about pango on amd64 |
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| 12:45.00 | suwro | seems nobody has amd64 here - with broken pango :) |
| 12:45.07 | solemnwarning | Why does suidperl check and use SUID/SGID bits but the main perl program ignores them? |
| 12:45.26 | solemnwarning | Is there some advantage to having a seperate version of perl for SUID scripts? |
| 12:45.34 | somian[0] | Because of a bug relating to setuid scripts |
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| 12:45.43 | somian[0] | It's in the Perl documentation, solemnwarning |
| 12:45.48 | solemnwarning | Where? |
| 12:46.04 | solemnwarning | There's no suidperl perldoc and the manpage is no help |
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| 12:46.18 | somian[0] | perlfaq8, solemnwarning |
| 12:46.25 | solemnwarning | thanks |
| 12:46.38 | somian[0] | You'd have helped yourself by simply doing $ perldoc -q setuid |
| 12:46.46 | palestinian | stew, how can I know where is a mirror contrib to add with the ipw included? |
| 12:46.49 | palestinian | ipw3945 |
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| 12:47.05 | unknow990 | Can anybody help me to integrate my debian machine with Exchange server??? |
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| 12:47.14 | somian[0] | But what do I know, I am just a kl3wl355 Tr011 with no technical saavy |
| 12:47.15 | palestinian | stew, dpkg says "yourmirror,etc..." |
| 12:47.18 | Taffy-nay | hey people, i have a quick question....i'm new to irc, how do i register a nick so it doesn't get pilfered? |
| 12:47.24 | unknow990 | (mail gateway) |
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| 12:47.36 | stew | palestinian: most debian mirrors that have main would have contrib and non-free |
| 12:47.42 | DawnLight | i can hear what seems to be my cpu through the pcspeaker |
| 12:47.43 | stew | Taffy-nay: /msg nickserv help |
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| 12:47.49 | Taffy-nay | thank you |
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| 12:47.56 | somian[0] | DawnLight: OMG! Cool! |
| 12:48.02 | palestinian | stew, so I just add debian mirros? |
| 12:48.05 | palestinian | mirrors* |
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| 12:48.37 | somian[0] | That's like listening to the ionosphere of Jupiter on an AM radio ... I am so jealous |
| 12:48.50 | palestinian | stew, like this? deb http://debian.logiclinux.com/debian stable main contrib non-free |
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| 12:49.39 | somian[0] | If debhelper exceeds 800 I am SO outta here ;-) |
| 12:49.43 | stew | palestinian: that looks correct |
| 12:50.04 | DawnLight | it is cool and i'm very frustrated about it. i think it causes trouble |
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| 12:50.40 | DawnLight | palestinian: etch instead of stable would be better |
| 12:50.57 | unknow990 | can somebody help me with this one http://paste.debian.net/33298 ?? |
| 12:52.15 | palestinian | DawnLight, i dont understand... I'd add it to sources.list, I have also etch in the sources.list, but it cant find the driver |
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| 12:52.53 | abrotman | !tell _zwox about away |
| 12:53.41 | DawnLight | !tell me something i don't know |
| 12:53.55 | korhojoa_ | abrotman: dude, he's just telling you he left the comuter |
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| 12:54.02 | korhojoa_ | whatever the hell thai is, then. |
| 12:54.14 | DawnLight | !tell me about it |
| 12:54.16 | korhojoa_ | that* :D |
| 12:54.21 | abrotman | korhojoa_: so what? |
| 12:54.29 | korhojoa_ | !tell noone about anything. titzors. |
| 12:54.35 | palestinian | DawnLight, i dont understand... I'd add it to sources.list, I have also etch in the sources.list, but it cant find the driver |
| 12:54.36 | solemnwarning | korhojoa_: The IRC gods don't like puny users using away messages |
| 12:54.45 | solemnwarning | How DARE they consume several bytes of MY bandwidth?! |
| 12:54.58 | korhojoa_ | i know. the misspelling caused something horrible |
| 12:55.06 | abrotman | solemnwarning: how would you feel if 780 idiots sat here all day using auto-away? |
| 12:55.23 | solemnwarning | 780 don't and they wouldan't all trigger at the same time |
| 12:55.43 | stew | solemnwarning: korhojoa_: abrotman: please drop it. public away messages are not welcome here. end of story. |
| 12:55.56 | solemnwarning | How would you feel if 780 idiots sat here arguing and saying "RTFM! RTFM! RTFM!!! WAAHHHH!!" all day? |
| 12:56.00 | stew | solemnwarning: drop it |
| 12:56.01 | solemnwarning | :P |
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| 12:57.38 | keith4 | well i see we're all having a cheerful day so far |
| 12:57.55 | solemnwarning | keith4: Another day in paradise :) |
| 12:58.01 | somian[0] | Not hardly. But some of us are more affected than others, keith ;) |
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| 12:59.12 | Garda | hey |
| 12:59.21 | Garda | i'm not irish |
| 12:59.27 | keith4 | i got it |
| 12:59.29 | CharminTheMoose | Hehe |
| 12:59.34 | CharminTheMoose | i did |
| 12:59.38 | keith4 | i was just in ireland 3 weeks ago |
| 12:59.49 | somian[0] | keith: lucky devil ;-) |
| 12:59.50 | diilbertAtWork | Where is the php src located ? And how would I find it ? |
| 13:00.05 | keith4 | you have to install it first ;-) |
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| 13:00.19 | stew | diilbertAtWork: apt-get source php5 |
| 13:00.24 | Garda | what parts of java are GPLed? |
| 13:00.29 | abrotman | Garda: ask ##java ? |
| 13:00.50 | somian[0] | Or ask #gnu, or go to the Sun Java website. |
| 13:00.53 | diilbertAtWork | stew: Where does it get installed to ? |
| 13:00.55 | stew | diilbertAtWork: but why do you ask? (many people that ask don't realize that they probably don't need it) |
| 13:01.04 | stew | diilbertAtWork: to the directory you were in when you ran the comand |
| 13:01.07 | somian[0] | I am sure its all explained in detail at Sun's website. |
| 13:01.19 | diilbertAtWork | stew: I am trying to build magickwand for php5 |
| 13:01.25 | Garda | not really |
| 13:01.31 | Garda | sun is gay |
| 13:01.32 | keith | keith4: ? |
| 13:01.40 | keith | ah wrong nick :D |
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| 13:01.42 | somian[0] | Sun is a happy company? |
| 13:01.45 | tarzeau | Gertrude: true |
| 13:01.45 | Garda | yea, that IS the most mature comment i could come up with |
| 13:01.52 | tarzeau | somian[0]: i don't quite like them |
| 13:02.05 | stew | Garda: don't use the term 'gay' here as a derrogatory adjective. it is offensive to some |
| 13:02.09 | somian[0] | tarzeau: which, who? Sun? |
| 13:02.22 | palestinian | yes!,is installing! |
| 13:02.33 | palestinian | shit,error |
| 13:02.43 | tarzeau | somian[0]: yes. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/sun/ |
| 13:02.44 | Garda | i have this gay friend |
| 13:02.50 | stew | Garda: keep it on-topic |
| 13:02.54 | keith4 | keith: hey! how's it goin? |
| 13:03.03 | Garda | i love the way that he calls things gay himself |
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| 13:03.19 | somian[0] | tarzeau: everyone is entitiled to his opinion ... but it seems kind of Offtopic to be discussing Sun here. |
| 13:03.19 | themill | Garda: have a look at the icedtea project (http://icedtea.classpath.org/ but it seems to be down) |
| 13:03.24 | keith4 | diilbertAtWork: what is magickwand? |
| 13:03.53 | somian[0] | Garda: that doesn't mean its OK for you to do it. Anywhere you want to in any context. |
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| 13:04.04 | diilbertAtWork | keith4: It is a imagemagick mod for php www.magickwand.org |
| 13:04.30 | keith4 | ah, i thought that was dead |
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| 13:04.51 | SoulChild | Anyone having texlive installed on lenny? Why do i have to install 700 MB for it,... TeTex didn't used that much space... |
| 13:05.17 | somian[0] | Wow, SoulChild ;) |
| 13:05.24 | SoulChild | ?? |
| 13:05.25 | somian[0] | That is a lot. |
| 13:05.34 | diilbertAtWork | keith4: what was dead ? |
| 13:05.35 | GutterPunk | Anyone here that knows how to set up snmpd to be queried by remote hosts? I just can't figure it out... |
| 13:05.49 | GutterPunk | A config file would be nice |
| 13:06.15 | SoulChild | yes it is and there is no way for me to install just a part of it, cause i need texmacs and the dependezies are not choosen very nicely so that it takes 500 MB more than in etch |
| 13:06.31 | vaq | GutterPunk: remove 127.0.0.1 from /etc/default/snmpd |
| 13:06.32 | palestinian | why always I get errors saying I need to update the apt-get?, I updated it 3 times already....but it still cant find packet or install |
| 13:06.45 | stew | palestinian: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 13:06.53 | stew | diilbertAtWork: apt-cache show php5-imagick |
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| 13:07.27 | palestinian | stew, how can I copy in the default terminal?, I do right click, copy but it dont copy |
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| 13:07.34 | TiMiDo | !source.list |
| 13:07.40 | keith4 | palestinian: mouse paste? |
| 13:07.42 | stew | palestinian: /msg dpkg pastewithoutx |
| 13:07.44 | somian[0] | themill: sorry! ;-) |
| 13:07.54 | GutterPunk | vaq, thanks! I was looking where those options came from. the localhost was set in ps aux output and I just couldn't find a way to override it... |
| 13:08.02 | themill | somian[0]: no worries... just forgot to undo that step# |
| 13:08.06 | vaq | GutterPunk, now you do ;) |
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| 13:08.18 | somian[0] | Still isn't working, btw. I can only hope that when i do a full system restart, somehow it will wrk out. |
| 13:08.59 | themill | somian[0]: is it a local printer (usb or lp) or a network printer? |
| 13:09.13 | somian[0] | It's usb. |
| 13:09.22 | diilbertAtWork | stew: and ? Magickwand is more robust |
| 13:09.40 | stew | diilbertAtWork: just wanted to make sure you knew about it |
| 13:09.53 | GutterPunk | vaq, thanks :) it's still not working but I'm a step further at least :s |
| 13:10.27 | themill | somian[0]: did you get any useful debug output from cups by running it in debug mode? |
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| 13:10.47 | themill | somian[0]: it's quite chatty with debug logging turned on and that normally helps track down the problem |
| 13:10.48 | somian[0] | I've had to keep cupsd dead, too, because it pegs the cpu when started. |
| 13:11.01 | poutine | What would be causing permission denied when trying to delete files/directories when files/directories are owned by a user? |
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| 13:11.17 | somian[0] | I will try that soon, themill, thanks for reminding me. |
| 13:12.00 | stew | poutine: their parent directories not being writable, or maybe having chattr +i |
| 13:12.05 | abrotman | poutine: lsattr |
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| 13:12.23 | poutine | I copied with --no-preserve=all, but I'll check that, thanks |
| 13:12.43 | themill | somian[0]: ouch. Sounds like the print processor is having trouble. |
| 13:13.03 | poutine | nope |
| 13:13.05 | poutine | no attrs |
| 13:13.18 | poutine | it's owned by my username, group of my username, yet I can only delete it as root |
| 13:13.25 | poutine | ------------------ ./autom4te.cache |
| 13:13.33 | stew | poutine: what about the parent directory? |
| 13:13.46 | poutine | negative on any attrs |
| 13:13.57 | poutine | owned by my normal username and group of my normal username |
| 13:14.18 | stew | poutine: and the permissions? |
| 13:14.24 | poutine | permissions shouldn't matter |
| 13:14.29 | stew | poutine: why? |
| 13:14.37 | poutine | because it's owned and grouped by my username |
| 13:14.46 | stew | poutine: permissions matter |
| 13:14.49 | keith | keith4: not bad |
| 13:15.05 | poutine | stew, nope |
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| 13:15.13 | poutine | touch foo; chmod 000 foo; rm -f foo |
| 13:15.14 | poutine | works fine |
| 13:15.38 | stew | poutine: mkdir foo ; touch foo/bar ; chmod 000 foo ; rm foo/bar |
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| 13:15.57 | stew | poutine: i'm trying to tell you that the permissions of the file don't matter the permissions of the parent directory do |
| 13:16.37 | poutine | stew, you're right, how silly of me |
| 13:17.10 | vaq | if you did chmod -R it would. |
| 13:17.38 | poutine | I got it all fixed up |
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| 13:17.59 | unknow990 | can anybody help me with this one http://paste.debian.net/33298 ?? |
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| 13:18.25 | RoyK | anyone that knows where I can find an debian install iso with something newer than 2.6.18? my 3ware 9650 isn't recognized |
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| 13:18.55 | vaq | RoyK dont you got a spare nic? |
| 13:18.59 | stew | RoyK: kmuto.jp |
| 13:19.10 | sep | RoyK, http://www.3ware.com/KB/article.aspx?id=15012 |
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| 13:19.42 | stew | vaq: becuase his nic isn't the problem, his raid card is |
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| 13:20.08 | stew | RoyK: specifically: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 13:20.22 | RoyK | vaq: nic? |
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| 13:20.38 | indro | hi all |
| 13:21.02 | indro | anyone know how to unpack a deb under windows? |
| 13:21.15 | indro | is that even possible? |
| 13:21.28 | stew | indro: you can use dpkg or dpkg-deb or ar |
| 13:21.59 | indro | there is a dpkg port for windows? ^^ |
| 13:22.12 | stew | indro: yes cygwin has dpkg |
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| 13:23.01 | indro | hum, okay, will try that. ;) |
| 13:23.26 | themill | RoyK: or try the lenny netinstall: /msg dpkg lenny netinstall |
| 13:24.31 | themill | indro: cygwin also has ar which can expand the archive and mc which can look inside. |
| 13:25.11 | sandman | Man my debian system beeps a lot |
| 13:25.17 | sandman | And scrolls a lot of stuff by the screen |
| 13:25.18 | stew | sandman: /msg dpkg bell |
| 13:25.43 | sandman | About twice per second, more often than I've ever heard a computer beep, or thought possible. |
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| 13:26.00 | themill | sandman: is this interactive or when you're not doing anything |
| 13:26.10 | RoyK | themill: doesn't help much as long as debian doesn't recognize the disk controller |
| 13:26.27 | loesh | hmm, is there a smooth way to install java 6 on etch? |
| 13:26.27 | sandman | When I'm not doing anything, or when I'm doing something. It doesn't matter. |
| 13:26.32 | sandman | Thousands of these messages: |
| 13:26.32 | sandman | databasing backend |
| 13:26.32 | sandman | accounting |
| 13:26.32 | sandman | classes |
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| 13:26.32 | loesh | the jdk that is.. |
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| 13:26.51 | sandman | Hm. |
| 13:26.54 | indro | stew, themill: thanks |
| 13:27.25 | themill | loesh: aptitude install sun-java6-jdk |
| 13:27.29 | sandman | Apparently while I was trying to paste part of one of the messages, it messed up my buffer. But yeah, lots of "Bad page state" messages, followed by "Trying to fix it up, but a reboot is needed" message. Thousands of them |
| 13:27.47 | sandman | About 2 per second, rather inconsistent though. Sometimes 4 a second, sometimes 1. |
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| 13:29.10 | loesh | themill, sun-java6-jdk is not in etch .. |
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| 13:29.18 | tarzeau | loesh: i'll try a simple sid backport |
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| 13:29.26 | tarzeau | loesh: are you interested in binaries i386/amd64? |
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| 13:29.47 | themill | loesh: non-free |
| 13:29.52 | stew | loesh: its on backports.org : /msg dpkg bpo |
| 13:30.17 | loesh | well i could allways install it manually, but i would like to be able to switch between jdks using update-alternatives |
| 13:30.25 | themill | loesh: sorry... you're right. I picked it out of lenny before it diverged too much |
| 13:30.26 | loesh | themill, still not in etch :9 |
| 13:30.42 | loesh | ill go with the backport thnaks alot :) |
| 13:30.54 | themill | loesh: it's in backports.org or the lenny package is installable directly, I think |
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| 13:31.08 | themill | loesh: (in the non-free section of backports.org) |
| 13:31.48 | loesh | yea i found it :) |
| 13:32.06 | themill | :) |
| 13:33.29 | loesh | backports seems nice :) very handy to be able to have the latest version of some stuff... |
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| 13:34.10 | themill | loesh: yes. they normally work quite nicely. Sometimes a little rough around the edges though as they're not necessarily a unified set. |
| 13:34.46 | aidan | "configure: error: The X toolkit library '-lXt' could not be found.", what package am I missing? I have libxt6 installed |
| 13:35.02 | themill | loesh: there are occasionally problems with libs not having versioned dependencies so not being pulled in properly. |
| 13:36.08 | themill | aidan: libxt-dev |
| 13:36.23 | loesh | themill, yea i can imagine.. for the moment i will just use the jdk backport, at least it is smoother than having to install it manually.. |
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| 13:36.50 | themill | loesh: yes. it works quite nicely including with alternatives |
| 13:37.05 | loesh | :) |
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| 13:50.21 | last0ne | good morning |
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| 13:53.22 | somian[0] | well, it IS morning, i agree (last0ne) ;-) |
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| 13:57.09 | microtux | hi |
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| 13:57.46 | user1_ | how do i know if spamassassin is working or not |
| 13:57.55 | abrotman | send it spam |
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| 13:59.19 | svref | Upgrading to etch, the guide says "there are known problems with third-party packages which install programs under /usr/X11R6/bin/ causing problems with upgrades." Is this referring to nvidia drivers? I can't tell. |
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| 14:02.01 | benjamindees | !pctel |
| 14:02.01 | dpkg | [pctel] if u got a pctel ask mephisto |
| 14:04.04 | haxality | hey all |
| 14:04.23 | haxality | I'm actually making some progress in my saga to get cpu frequency scaling working |
| 14:04.38 | haxality | I added speedstep_centrino to /etc/modules, and it works now! |
| 14:04.39 | haxality | however |
| 14:04.49 | haxality | I was wondering how I could set the default governor to ondemand |
| 14:05.03 | haxality | since otherwise I have to change it after every reboot |
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| 14:07.54 | haxality | could I just add "echo ondemand > /sys/devices/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 14:07.57 | haxality | to my rc.local? |
| 14:08.11 | haxality | minus the random beginning quote marks |
| 14:09.57 | zecrazytux | or by using cpufreq-set tool ? |
| 14:10.17 | haxality | ahh, of course. I forgot about that. |
| 14:10.22 | haxality | thank you! |
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| 14:12.24 | zicho | How can i check what version of a program i installed with apt? |
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| 14:12.57 | abrotman | zicho: dpkg -l <package> |
| 14:13.20 | zicho | abrotman: Ty |
| 14:13.32 | abrotman | !version |
| 14:13.33 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
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| 14:16.31 | pinkfloydhomer | Question: Is it possible to use 2.4 kernels on Debian Etch? I have installed Etch, and it runs ok with 2.6.x, but it is on an old laptop with only 128MB RAM, and when I boot on Damn Small Linux with a 2.4 kernel, it feels much faster |
| 14:16.50 | abrotman | you shouldn't |
| 14:17.12 | pinkfloydhomer | why? |
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| 14:18.33 | abrotman | pinkfloydhomer: it's nto supported |
| 14:18.43 | abrotman | pinkfloydhomer: etch expects a 2.6 .. things may break |
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| 14:19.15 | pinkfloydhomer | ok |
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| 14:19.23 | pinkfloydhomer | is there a debian that uses 2.4? |
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| 14:19.45 | delliott | pinkfloydhomer, Debian 3.1 |
| 14:19.57 | kyja | can we debian flavored people do flash programming? |
| 14:20.44 | pinkfloydhomer | delliott, ok thanks. and 3.1 is nice and stable and can run all sorts of software? I guess I can just upgrade all the installed software |
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| 14:21.43 | delliott | pinkfloydhomer, Debian 3.1 is oldstable |
| 14:21.51 | pinkfloydhomer | ok |
| 14:21.52 | N`Kr1pt | hi, from this output I want only the 4th column from the last line: Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 14:21.52 | N`Kr1pt | /dev/sdf1 459G 129M 436G 1% /mnt/bdisk1 |
| 14:22.04 | N`Kr1pt | any idea how I can do this? |
| 14:22.10 | themill | N`Kr1pt: man cut |
| 14:22.14 | kyja | grep ? |
| 14:22.26 | N`Kr1pt | df -h /mnt/bdisk1 | cut -f4 -d " " doesn't work |
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| 14:23.15 | keith | anyone know of a decent ADSL hardware router with QOS? |
| 14:23.40 | themill | N`Kr1pt: but it's not after the 4th space. It's the 4th column with lots of spaces. Try using -c instead |
| 14:23.41 | kyja | I actualy have linksys wireless with qos |
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| 14:24.00 | kyja | oh adsl? |
| 14:24.03 | en1gma | sup all |
| 14:24.04 | abrotman | pinkfloydhomer: it will be out of securituy support in six months or so though |
| 14:24.05 | en1gma | g`morn |
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| 14:24.40 | kyja | so that would be a modem and router all in 1 interesting |
| 14:24.55 | pixelfairy | whats the differnce between linux-source-2.6.18 and 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2? |
| 14:25.00 | kyja | can we debian flavored people do flash programming???? please I want to do some flash work |
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| 14:25.28 | en1gma | i have 2 network cards. eth0 goes to a cable-modem connected to net and eth2 goes to a cable-modem router not connected to cable connection....i can only have 1 network card up at a time through the ifdown eth(x) command....what would cause this |
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| 14:26.32 | en1gma | i have the wcg200 v2 linksys cable modem gateway that was pretty nice but when i moved out of state it dont work with my new cable co....im trying to figure out how to flash or hack the master password. |
| 14:26.32 | N`Kr1pt | hmz, any idea what I'm doing wrong? |
| 14:26.33 | N`Kr1pt | sirius:~# df -h /mnt/bdisk1 | cut -f4 -c " " |
| 14:26.33 | N`Kr1pt | cut: only one type of list may be specified |
| 14:26.41 | en1gma | kyja that was to you |
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| 14:27.10 | kyja | sounds like a nice one |
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| 14:27.27 | en1gma | well if i were to buy one i would make sure it was opensource |
| 14:27.34 | en1gma | there are some better ones out there |
| 14:27.46 | en1gma | that you can update the firmware with cause they are gpl approved |
| 14:27.47 | kyja | true, there are. |
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| 14:28.03 | en1gma | do a google search for gpl approved modems or somehting like that |
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| 14:28.28 | kyja | maybe you can flash a firmware on that one |
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| 14:29.11 | themill | N`Kr1pt: you don't need -f if you are using -c. With -c you specify the column numbers. Try cut -c 33-38 |
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| 14:29.16 | en1gma | http://www.linksysinfo.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46172 |
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| 14:30.11 | kyja | this was my query :) open source fimware on a wcg200 v2 linksys cable modem |
| 14:30.19 | kyja | only 10 answers |
| 14:30.25 | N`Kr1pt | themill, works great thx, but hopw did you come up wit 33-38 and do you know how I get the last line only? |
| 14:30.44 | k1ckn1ck | how easy is it to test a cron job is functioning correctly |
| 14:30.53 | k1ckn1ck | or how easy is it to run a py script |
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| 14:31.11 | kyja | and someone did put opensourse firmware on that :) |
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| 14:31.32 | stoned | hi |
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| 14:31.47 | qwertz_ | Hi, trying to install hp server tools and get a warning about the kernels tainted flag - so is there any software that refuses work if the tainted flag is set? |
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| 14:32.41 | stoned | you know how you can use a file as swap space, right? well, is it possible to create a file, make the system think its a hdd, and mount it, and then format it, and install a 32bit chrooted debian inside the 64bit os? |
| 14:32.59 | stoned | or does the 32bit chroot have to be on an actual partition? |
| 14:32.59 | themill | N`Kr1pt: trial and error to get the numbers (I could see it was going to be about 30ish by looking at the output). Pipe the output into tail -1 to get the last line |
| 14:33.15 | N`Kr1pt | thx |
| 14:33.23 | kyja | en1gma, are you reading what I am reading? |
| 14:33.33 | stoned | hehe |
| 14:33.40 | stoned | kyja in my language means keep eating |
| 14:33.42 | en1gma | no i didnt see sorry |
| 14:33.48 | kyja | lol |
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| 14:33.57 | kyja | I am running the HyperWRT firmware on it and am very imressed. ..... Linksys WCG200. It's a wireless router and cable modem all in one box. ... |
| 14:33.58 | stoned | :) |
| 14:34.03 | stoned | dude |
| 14:34.05 | en1gma | did you see the link i posted |
| 14:34.08 | stoned | DDWRT FTW! |
| 14:34.12 | en1gma | that is the only firmware being worked on |
| 14:34.20 | stoned | I've got ddwrt running on two routers here |
| 14:34.22 | themill | qwertz_: none that I know of but no-one will help you if you get a kernel panic. |
| 14:34.23 | kyja | ahh |
| 14:34.23 | stoned | amazing firmware |
| 14:34.34 | stoned | ddwrt is grand |
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| 14:35.12 | nataku_ | stoned, what you suggested should be somehow possible with loopback |
| 14:35.14 | qwertz_ | themill, thanks for the info (and hp won't help me if I get a server panic without them sigh...) |
| 14:35.17 | kyja | because I did a google and got 10 links |
| 14:35.26 | nataku_ | stoned, but I am by no means an expert on the linux FS :X |
| 14:35.49 | stoned | loopback |
| 14:35.50 | themill | qwertz_: gotta love it.... |
| 14:35.51 | stoned | hmm |
| 14:35.56 | outlaw84 | I got several machines i an private network, I would like to make a script that I can call on machine 1(one) and then the same script will be called on all the others aswell, I am thinking that this should be doable with ssh but I cant find a way to script an automatic login |
| 14:36.29 | nataku_ | stoned, for instance, to mount an ISO image as a cdrom you could do # mount -o loop cdimage.iso /media/cdrom0 (presuming there is no media in cdrom0) |
| 14:36.40 | stoned | i know |
| 14:37.01 | nataku_ | following that logic, you should be able to do the same thing but make it think it's an HDD |
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| 14:37.11 | stoned | thing is im on amd64 and I don't have a partition for installing 32bit os |
| 14:37.17 | nataku_ | yeah |
| 14:37.18 | nataku_ | hmm |
| 14:37.20 | stoned | yeh, i'll look into it |
| 14:37.23 | stoned | thanks man |
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| 14:37.30 | kyja | so there isnt anyone that knows of flash development software for debian huh? |
| 14:37.35 | stoned | stew said something about loopback yesterday too, and that gave me the idea |
| 14:37.40 | nataku_ | this 64 bit changeover is gonna be a little rough |
| 14:37.43 | nataku_ | heh |
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| 14:38.02 | stoned | keep eating: not that I know of |
| 14:38.10 | stoned | keep eating: try google |
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| 14:38.31 | themill | outlaw84: puppet, perhaps |
| 14:38.32 | cydork | stoned: you can do that, first create a file using dd of some size. then use mkfs.ext on that. |
| 14:38.40 | themill | outlaw84: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/526 |
| 14:38.42 | nataku_ | hahaha you're calling him keep eating |
| 14:38.45 | stoned | cydork: is it really as simple as that? |
| 14:38.48 | sparrw | Can anyone recommend WYSIWYG page layout software that can visibly arrange text across multiple pages that will be trimmed? For making banners and such. I know a lot of graphics programs can "just do" that sort of printing, but I want to see where the page breaks will be while editing. InDesign can almost do it. |
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| 14:39.08 | themill | outlaw84: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/528 |
| 14:39.11 | stoned | ky means eat/eating, ja means keep on/keep etc. |
| 14:39.15 | cydork | stoned: yep. and then mount using -o loop |
| 14:39.23 | nataku_ | yeah, I saw earlier when you said that :) |
| 14:39.23 | stoned | cydork: damn, that simple |
| 14:39.26 | stoned | cydork: you da man |
| 14:39.43 | nataku_ | haha nice cydork, I knew I had half the solution |
| 14:39.56 | stoned | thank you gentlemen |
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| 14:40.19 | cydork | nataku_: :) |
| 14:40.43 | abrotman | sparrw: indesign isn't in linux :) |
| 14:41.19 | en1gma | how do i make it so when debian boots the num_locks stays on |
| 14:41.21 | en1gma | i hate that |
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| 14:41.49 | stoned | sparrw: NVU |
| 14:42.05 | stoned | !nvu |
| 14:42.05 | dpkg | nvu is, like, a Mozilla based website editing program, at http://www.nvu.com |
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| 14:42.32 | k1ckn1ck | i have a py script that runs on a cron, which checks folders for files and then does what ever i selection i choose, for example delete or move elsewhere. How can i test the cron job is working |
| 14:42.36 | stoned | sparrw: not sure if it does what you want, but give it a sot |
| 14:42.38 | stoned | shot* |
| 14:42.46 | N`Kr1pt | any idea how you can accomplish this is bash: if last letter of 405M = M then multiply by 1024, else if last letter of 405M = G then multiply by 1024*1024 |
| 14:42.48 | en1gma | NUM_LOCK stay on how |
| 14:43.10 | stoned | bios setting? turn on numlock on boot? |
| 14:43.13 | stoned | maybe |
| 14:43.26 | stoned | there is also an xnumlock i think |
| 14:43.40 | sparrw | stoned: err, im predisposed to not bother trying using web design software for page layout |
| 14:43.42 | abrotman | N`Kr1pt: ask #bash |
| 14:43.46 | N`Kr1pt | basically I just want to know how you can get the last letter of a word |
| 14:43.57 | stoned | oh |
| 14:44.01 | stoned | a page layout not a web dev |
| 14:44.02 | sparrw | abrotman: yes, but presumably the person who knows the answer to my question has also used indesign and thus knows of the near-workingness of it for this task |
| 14:44.02 | abrotman | sparrw: there are some apps that do desktop publishing in linux .. dunno if they do what you want though |
| 14:44.03 | stoned | I see |
| 14:44.07 | stoned | how about scribus? |
| 14:44.09 | stoned | !scribus |
| 14:44.10 | dpkg | scribus is, like, a DTP program for Linux. Still under construction, but quickly progressing |
| 14:44.12 | abrotman | sparrw: scribus is one |
| 14:44.16 | stoned | maybe |
| 14:44.18 | sparrw | stoned: scribus cant, afaik |
| 14:44.24 | sparrw | scribus is what i use most of the time |
| 14:44.24 | abrotman | sparrw: i think there's one for koffice too .. and something in OO |
| 14:44.29 | stoned | sorry buddy, I'm out of ideas |
| 14:44.51 | sparrw | kde and oo just have word processors, very unsuited |
| 14:44.57 | sparrw | unless im missing some of their apps |
| 14:45.03 | dondelelcaro | N`Kr1pt: if the word is in a variable, ${parameter:-1:1} |
| 14:45.11 | dondelelcaro | N`Kr1pt: man bash; for details |
| 14:45.12 | abrotman | sparrw: uhm .. no OO has something for publishing also |
| 14:45.16 | N`Kr1pt | k thx! |
| 14:45.21 | stoned | hi don |
| 14:45.30 | subx | when comparing Mac OS X with FLuxBox the fonts look terrible, Mac OS X renders fonts so much nicer. Is there anyway to get linux to render fonts nicely? |
| 14:45.41 | abrotman | oh .. impress is like powerpoint |
| 14:45.46 | sparrw | abrotman: aye |
| 14:45.46 | stoned | dondelelcaro: I was just browsing perlmonks |
| 14:45.48 | stoned | :) |
| 14:45.51 | cydork | dondelelcaro: you mean ${parameter: -1} |
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| 14:45.55 | sparrw | subx: yes. sub pixel rendering is probably what you want. |
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| 14:46.17 | subx | does: sub pixel rendering come in a debian package? |
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| 14:46.42 | stoned | for fonts? |
| 14:46.53 | stoned | isn't it the same thing as anti aliasing? |
| 14:47.03 | sparrw | stoned: not really |
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| 14:47.14 | stoned | fluxbox has an option for anti alised fonts afaik |
| 14:47.23 | stoned | but not sub pixel, if there is a difference |
| 14:47.26 | sparrw | subx: fontconfig is probably what you want, but i have no idea how to use it. kde and gnome both manage that sort of thing themselves, not sure what the standalone solutions are |
| 14:47.32 | sparrw | stoned: there is |
| 14:47.35 | stoned | sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
| 14:47.39 | subx | ok thanks |
| 14:47.47 | stoned | enable auto hinting |
| 14:47.50 | stoned | I think |
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| 14:48.16 | sparrw | stoned: anti aliasing uses whole pixels, making them shades of grey instead of a white/black edge on the character when the line is slanted. |
| 14:48.26 | stoned | isee |
| 14:48.41 | sparrw | stoned: sub pixel rendering works on LCDs by treating each 1/3-of-a-pixel as its own element, and turning some of them on when adjacent pixels are on. |
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| 14:49.16 | sparrw | so a line that is supposed to be 1.3 pixels wide might have one whole pixel turned on, plus the green element of the pixel to the left, or the red element of the pixel to the right |
| 14:49.20 | subx | windows and mac os x render fonts nicely |
| 14:49.42 | sparrw | subx: that trick only works on LCDs, if you had a CRT flux would look the same as mac/windows already |
| 14:49.58 | subx | yes |
| 14:50.05 | subx | Select Native if you mostly use Bitstream Vera (the default in Debian) or any of the Microsoft fonts. Select Autohinter if │ │ you mostly use other TrueType fonts. Select None if you want blurry text. |
| 14:50.17 | subx | Autohinter is the one |
| 14:50.31 | sparrw | subx: the problem is that your definition of "nicely" is not the same as everyones. and some fonts play better than others with different smoothing methods |
| 14:50.31 | subx | ive aleady installed the microsoft core fonts |
| 14:50.36 | sparrw | yes, autohinter is probably the safe bet |
| 14:50.43 | subx | ok |
| 14:50.44 | sparrw | native is better, but only if you stick to fonts that it likes |
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| 14:53.51 | rdz | what kernel version am i supposed to have when running debian etch? |
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| 14:54.24 | zecrazytux | 18 |
| 14:54.26 | stew | rdz: 2.6.18-4 |
| 14:54.46 | rdz | stew, zecrazytux thank you guys... |
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| 14:55.10 | rdz | i just found out, that my kernel wasn't updated when i switched from sarge to etch |
| 14:55.25 | kenji | guys is this a right crontab instruction? 01 7 * * 6 /home/isra/bin/respstats.sh? |
| 14:55.33 | rdz | possibly, because i used a kernel-image from demudi repository..... |
| 14:55.35 | kenji | or the 7 is breaking the 6= |
| 14:55.36 | kenji | ? |
| 14:56.04 | zecrazytux | rdz: 2.6.18 isn't installed ? |
| 14:56.11 | rdz | kenji, looks reasonable to me... 5 ints, after them the command |
| 14:56.18 | rdz | zecrazytux, nope |
| 14:56.22 | rdz | i just installed it |
| 14:56.24 | kenji | rdz whats a int? |
| 14:56.31 | stew | rdz: yes, in general you have to upgrade the kernel explicitly (/msg dpkg sarge->etch) |
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| 14:56.48 | zecrazytux | rdz: strange... which kernel did you use with sarge ? |
| 14:56.54 | rdz | kenji, i mean: 5 numbers followed by a command... that's crontab syntax... your line looks ok to me |
| 14:57.09 | rdz | zecrazytux, 2.6.12-3-multimedia-686 |
| 14:57.16 | SORMANOV | what is the definition of load (/proc/loadavg) |
| 14:57.29 | rdz | zecrazytux, as i said, that wan't a kernel from sarge, but from demudi stable branch |
| 14:57.31 | SORMANOV | # cat /proc/loadavg |
| 14:57.31 | SORMANOV | 0.41 0.58 0.54 4/255 30133 |
| 14:57.35 | SORMANOV | what does this mean ? |
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| 14:58.10 | subx | this looks interesting: http://www.freetype.org |
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| 14:59.00 | kenji | rdz that instruction say that the script respstats.sh should be executed each day of each month at 7:01 but at the end it say 6 that means that each saturday should be executed so it will be executed each day or each saturday? |
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| 14:59.15 | zecrazytux | rdz: older than 2.6.18, anyway |
| 15:00.01 | rdz | zecrazytux, yeah... anyway, i just installed it... now, i am going to reboot the machine and see if everything still works... |
| 15:00.09 | rdz | kenji, let me check the fields.. |
| 15:00.23 | subx | freetype is in debian testing |
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| 15:00.43 | rmaj | Hello, my debian delated own mount, and now refuses to reinstall it |
| 15:00.46 | TiMiDo | hey can someone pasted the source.list on pastebin.ca so i can put it on my source |
| 15:01.09 | stoned | !tell TiMiDo -about sources.list |
| 15:01.09 | rdz | kenji, minutes hours dayOfMonth Month DayOfWeek Command |
| 15:01.12 | stoned | !tell TiMiDo -about mirror |
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| 15:01.39 | kenji | rdz yes but if day of month is different than day of week? |
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| 15:01.54 | rdz | kenji, yeah, your sctiptz will be executed every saturday at 7:01 .. |
| 15:02.25 | rdz | kenji, oh, i don't know the exact details... i think, that every field should match in order to run the script |
| 15:03.06 | kenji | tnks rdz |
| 15:03.12 | kenji | can some one give me a hand with crontab? |
| 15:03.12 | rdz | kenji, i assume, that when having 12 for dayofmonth and 6 for day of week, then cron will execute the command only, when the 12th of the month is a saturday |
| 15:03.27 | rdz | kenji, you want to run the command every morning? |
| 15:03.29 | kenji | xD rdz so each never? xD |
| 15:03.48 | TiMiDo | !kernel-image |
| 15:03.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, kernel-image is what you get when you use make-kpkg (from package "kernel-package"), or ask me about "kp" for details Or 'apt-cache search kernel-image' |
| 15:04.00 | murdock | in Debian etch, should XF86Config-4 be in /etc/X11? I have gnome installed yet can't seem to find XF86Config-4 |
| 15:04.02 | kenji | rdz I don't know what I want because the last sysadmin leave that so I don't know what was thinking of |
| 15:04.25 | DragonD | ok here is a head scratcher... in order to boot my system the boot option root=(sda1|sdb1) when root=sda1 fstab has to have sdb1 as root and when root=sdb1 fstab has to have sda1 as root. I've NEVER seen this problem before. so, How do i correct this? |
| 15:04.32 | kenji | can some one give me a hand with crontab? |
| 15:04.33 | rdz | kenji, yo... tell us first, when and how often the script should be run.. then we are able to help you |
| 15:04.53 | rdz | kenji, i would, if you would tell me, what you need... |
| 15:04.58 | kenji | rdz so you don't know what is doing |
| 15:05.16 | rdz | what what is doing? |
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| 15:05.30 | kenji | rdz I wanna know what happen when day of week is different with day of month and the two values are set |
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| 15:05.53 | rdz | kenji, i just explained it... when every field matches, the command is executed |
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| 15:06.21 | rdz | when you have DayofMonth and DayOfWeek set, then the command will be executed only when both matches.... |
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| 15:06.36 | Ozux | hi I add some directories to my $PATH in .bashrc but that Directories are not in the Alt+F2 |
| 15:06.38 | rdz | or in other words in average all 7 months.. |
| 15:06.49 | kenji | rdz 6 what day of week is? |
| 15:06.51 | penma | *grmml* i hate it that more and more people start abusing the bugtracker as a helpdesk |
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| 15:07.02 | rdz | kenji, usually that is not what you want, but you never know |
| 15:07.14 | DragonD | anyone? |
| 15:07.15 | rdz | kenji, i'd say saturday, but i am not very sure |
| 15:07.28 | kenji | guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuys what day of week is 6? |
| 15:07.57 | DragonD | kenji: does your week start with sunday or munday? |
| 15:08.06 | penma | kenji: saturday, i am quite sure |
| 15:08.07 | rdz | kenji, 0 and 7 are sundays, so 6 is saturday |
| 15:08.08 | kenji | monday DragonD |
| 15:08.17 | penma | (shoudl at least) |
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| 15:08.29 | DragonD | then sat |
| 15:08.32 | stoned | if you start with 0 and end on 7 you have 8 days in a week |
| 15:08.34 | kenji | yes rdz and if 0 its sundays -1 its saturday too ¬¬ |
| 15:08.42 | rdz | kenji, http://www.ss64.com/osx/crontab.html |
| 15:08.53 | rdz | kenji, don't know, if crontab accepts negative numbers... |
| 15:08.54 | DragonD | stoned: 0 and 7 are both sunday |
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| 15:09.08 | kenji | tnks any way |
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| 15:09.23 | DragonD | ok here is a head scratcher... in order to boot my system the boot option root=(sda1|sdb1) when root=sda1 fstab has to have sdb1 as root and when root=sdb1 fstab has to have sda1 as root. I've NEVER seen this problem before. so, How do i correct this? |
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| 15:09.33 | rdz | kenji, anyway you could reach what you want without using negative numbers... |
| 15:10.27 | en1gma | some of you all might remember me and my problem i explained yesterday about: i have a cable-modem gateway that i rented in another state then i moved and it dont work with my current isp even though it is on their APPROVED list....my prev cable co disabled some of the options in the web admin page. |
| 15:10.56 | DragonD | i'm confused |
| 15:10.58 | en1gma | i need a brute force script for ssh to get into the ssh port |
| 15:11.12 | rdz | yo.. i am trying to reboot.. laters.... |
| 15:12.05 | petemc | en1gma: as you've been told, theres no doubt countless scripts that would attempt that for you. my personal opinion would be that you would be better served springing the $40 or so for a wrt54g |
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| 15:12.47 | en1gma | petemc but i already have this router and can maybe learn some interworkings of it also |
| 15:12.48 | DragonD | help... in order to boot my system the boot option root=(sda1|sdb1) when root=sda1 fstab has to have sdb1 as root and when root=sdb1 fstab has to have sda1 as root. I've NEVER seen this problem before. so, How do i correct this? |
| 15:13.10 | petemc | en1gma: you dont seem to be learning much, rather you're just asking the same question over and over |
| 15:13.20 | en1gma | my problem is i have never ssh onto another computer before and also i have never even thought of brute forcing |
| 15:13.35 | jelly | is there a way to change the volume of a single alsa app whem dmix is used? |
| 15:13.41 | en1gma | i asked once yesterday and once today i hardly belive that is spamming |
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| 15:14.19 | petemc | en1gma: i never accused you of spamming.. |
| 15:14.31 | DragonD | petemc: i'm asking the same question over and over cause no one is answering. |
| 15:14.34 | petemc | its not for me to tell you what to do, that was simply a suggestion |
| 15:14.36 | en1gma | you said i keep asking over and over |
| 15:14.42 | petemc | DragonD: fantastic then |
| 15:15.35 | jelly | so, what's stopping you? <en1gma> my problem is i have never ssh onto another computer before |
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| 15:16.10 | en1gma | well its not like ftp where there are lots of ftps....ssh i dont even know barely what it is |
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| 15:16.43 | DragonD | maybe a noob question will get me somewhere... How do i make my puter work? |
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| 15:16.55 | en1gma | but i do know when i ran nmap in the cable-modem gateway there is an ssh port that is open and from the forums i read this is for upgrading firmware OR logging to enable more features in the web-admin page section |
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| 15:17.43 | jelly | en1gma: who's the owner of the router box, you or your previous isp? If it's you, you could ask your previous isp the auth codes to unlock it, I guess |
| 15:17.45 | en1gma | i did an ssh to that address and sure enough it displays some info about a key and asks for password |
| 15:18.04 | en1gma | i am now as they have sent me a bill for it and reported me to the credit bueru |
| 15:18.14 | DragonD | en1gma: send me $30 along with the cable modem and i'll send it back in about a week with the password. |
| 15:18.23 | en1gma | yea right |
| 15:18.32 | DragonD | hehe |
| 15:18.33 | en1gma | :P |
| 15:19.14 | jelly | en1gma: it depends on the router model, there might also be way to do a factory reset. |
| 15:19.55 | DragonD | jelly: like taking it apart and shorting a cuple of pins on a few chips? |
| 15:20.24 | jelly | en1gma: then the default password from the manuals would work. However, some ISPs burn custom firmware on their boxes, in that case it would work that easily. Depends on the model. |
| 15:20.43 | en1gma | the modem i can rma to linksys they gave me an rma# but i dont want to send it in |
| 15:20.45 | jelly | DragonD: possibly |
| 15:20.45 | en1gma | 1 sec phone |
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| 15:21.05 | jelly | none of this is Debian specific, of course |
| 15:21.19 | DragonD | jelly: good point. |
| 15:21.31 | TCW | one one sid box the bash history feature is broken. If I want to use it it just beeps... any thoughts / hints? |
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| 15:21.41 | TCW | on one* |
| 15:21.41 | DragonD | in order to boot my system the boot option root=(sda1|sdb1) when root=sda1 fstab has to have sdb1 as root and when root=sdb1 fstab has to have sda1 as root. any ideas? |
| 15:22.26 | jelly | TCW: ran a curses app in that term before? Is $TERM env.variable set correctly? Does running "reset" help? |
| 15:22.34 | DragonD | TCW: have you googled "bash history config" |
| 15:23.12 | TCW | DragonD, no... I've googled for "broken" :) |
| 15:23.24 | TCW | jelly, I did a complete relogin |
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| 15:23.34 | TCW | jelly, gdm relogin, new aterm |
| 15:23.42 | DragonD | TCW: just tring to help. |
| 15:23.46 | TCW | err... gnome-term, but should not matter |
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| 15:23.56 | jelly | TCW: what about the 2nd question? |
| 15:23.59 | TCW | drI'll google for that, one moment |
| 15:24.13 | TCW | jelly, hold on |
| 15:24.32 | TCW | j$TERM is set to xterm |
| 15:24.39 | TCW | jelly even |
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| 15:25.43 | jelly | TCW: also, are you using emacs or vi keybindings? man bash --> look for editing-mode |
| 15:25.49 | level1 | Hi, I'm an ubuntu expat... in ubuntu skim had a panel applet (called skim panel applet I think) that allowed me to configure skim, but I can't find it in debian. Is there a package I need to install? |
| 15:26.25 | TCW | jelly, no |
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| 15:27.22 | jelly | TCW: it's an either-or question, "no" is not a legal answer :-) |
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| 15:28.06 | DragonD | in order to boot my system the boot option root=(sda1|sdb1) when root=sda1 fstab has to have sdb1 as root and when root=sdb1 fstab has to have sda1 as root. any ideas? |
| 15:28.26 | metbsd | which one is faster between virtualbox and vmware |
| 15:28.53 | TCW | jelly, I think I don't use any of these :) not possible? Never configured something like that, I use bash as it was installed |
| 15:29.00 | enouf | DragonD: check you #groot entry in /boot/grub/menu.lst maybe |
| 15:29.07 | enouf | s/you/your |
| 15:29.23 | TCW | and as I don't like vi or emacs (_never_ used it longer than 5 seconds) |
| 15:29.26 | TCW | ... |
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| 15:29.36 | metbsd | can someone tell me? which one is faster between virtualbox and vmware? |
| 15:29.57 | enouf | !tias metbsd |
| 15:30.13 | metbsd | i can only try one of them |
| 15:30.21 | metbsd | no disk space |
| 15:30.32 | TCW | jelly, how do I found out if and what I am using? |
| 15:30.37 | TCW | find out even |
| 15:30.40 | DragonD | enouf: groot is not set. should it be? |
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| 15:30.43 | abrotman | metbsd: only you can decide .. try them both |
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| 15:31.06 | enouf | DragonD: not set? |
| 15:31.26 | DragonD | enouf: commented out. "# groot=(hd0,0)" |
| 15:31.35 | marcuss | Hello , I just got debain for my server ,But i used fedora before ,and yum was the package manager ,what is the package manager for debian? |
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| 15:31.51 | enouf | DragonD: that's not a comment there |
| 15:32.04 | TCW | marcuss, what version? man aptitude, you'll love it! |
| 15:32.05 | enouf | DragonD: one # is read .. two ##s are comments |
| 15:32.19 | DragonD | enouf: ahhh |
| 15:32.23 | marcuss | TCW : 4.0 minimul i think |
| 15:32.33 | rbd | hi guys, I have a debian box that is shutting down every night... it doesn't seem to be a power issue (it's at a colo and no one is messing with it), so I am thinking it could be some software/tampering issue...anyone know of any software packages which could help me figure out what is going on? |
| 15:32.42 | TCW | marcuss, and btw. aptitude is _not_ gui only, it has a very easy and powerfull commandline mode |
| 15:32.44 | enouf | DragonD: read the file's comments .. or see the grub manual -- concerning the Automagic area |
| 15:32.58 | marcuss | TCW: I use SSH anyway :D |
| 15:33.27 | subx | i wonder if this will work on debian etch |
| 15:33.29 | subx | https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.39.4-inst.html |
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| 15:34.43 | TCW | marcuss, short explanation: "apt-cache show|search $package|$search_pattern" and "aptitude update" and "aptitude install $package"... |
| 15:35.03 | TCW | aptitude update before everything else though :) |
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| 15:35.41 | marcuss | TCW : sooo similar to Yum then :)? |
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| 15:36.20 | TCW | marcuss, all cars drive more or less the same, true... but there are goo implementations and bad ones... ;) |
| 15:36.28 | TCW | good even |
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| 15:36.47 | marcuss | Lol TCW :) ,nice explanation :P |
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| 15:38.30 | marcuss | TCW: on fedora i would do service httpd start ,What is the debain way of doing it :D? |
| 15:38.38 | ryanCH | when i get linux installed, and when i put my network cable into the computer how do i get linux to connect to the internet? |
| 15:38.52 | metbsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.53 | TCW | and I suppose apt-get/aptitude/apt-foo is the _best_ implementation... like... a Ferrari with as many seats as a greyhound bus, as pretty as $insert_beautiful_woman_here, as powerful as a space rocket... I think you get the point ;) |
| 15:39.17 | TCW | marcuss, what about reading a good book about the debian stuff? ;) |
| 15:39.19 | ryanCH | the network cable comes straight off my DSL modem |
| 15:39.32 | DragonD | enouf: thanks.. i think it was set wrong. i'll brb.. |
| 15:39.40 | marcuss | tcw: Sorry ,Im so busy with my life to read |
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| 15:39.54 | PrinceAMD | hi i have just compiled a kernel on lenny but i dont have the program mkinitrd can someone tell me the package name |
| 15:40.01 | TCW | marcuss, pfff |
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| 15:40.35 | Thursley | PrinceAMD, mkinitramfs |
| 15:40.37 | stew | PrinceAMD: don't use mkinitrd with newer kenrels, use mkinitrafs from initramfs-tools (or use make-kpkg and pass it the --initrd option when building: /msg dpkg kp) |
| 15:40.55 | benjamindees | !tell ryanCH about interfaces |
| 15:41.15 | Hammar | why mkinitramfs? |
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| 15:41.32 | Hammar | (just wondering) |
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| 15:42.17 | ryanCH | why do people say debian is primitive? |
| 15:42.27 | Kevin` | because they don't know better |
| 15:42.29 | Thursley | ignorance |
| 15:42.40 | metbsd | debian is good for server |
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| 15:42.54 | metbsd | linux is good for server |
| 15:42.57 | Kevin` | debian is good for most things |
| 15:42.58 | metbsd | only |
| 15:43.11 | abrotman | bullshit |
| 15:43.15 | Kevin` | ^ |
| 15:43.20 | abrotman | debian works everywhere! |
| 15:43.28 | metbsd | for workstation i rather use windows for less pain |
| 15:43.35 | Kevin` | ick ick ick |
| 15:43.42 | Kevin` | what kind of pain |
| 15:43.46 | metbsd | i don't even understand |
| 15:43.49 | Kevin` | hopefully you don't mean stuff like drivers |
| 15:43.50 | abrotman | metbsd: tha'ts your decision .. that doesn't mean Debian(or linux) isn't a viable alternative |
| 15:43.50 | jelly | ryanCH: because it IS primitive? |
| 15:44.22 | stew | ryanCH: you should ask the people that say it is primitive why they say it is primitive, not us |
| 15:44.26 | metbsd | why ppl would spend that much time to get something that takes less than a minute to accomplish in windows to work in linux |
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| 15:44.28 | aswp | sup? |
| 15:44.36 | aswp | dunno |
| 15:44.36 | albert | how can i exit the superuser mod after typing su? |
| 15:44.39 | Kevin` | metbsd what about the other way around? |
| 15:44.40 | benjamindees | ryanCH, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html , section 10.6.1.5 Configuring a PPPoE interface |
| 15:44.44 | albert | (int the terminal) |
| 15:44.44 | Thursley | albert, type exit |
| 15:44.52 | abrotman | metbsd: did you think possibly that's only the case for *you* ? |
| 15:44.52 | enouf | trollin' trollin' trollin' |
| 15:44.55 | Kevin` | metbsd doing something slow in windows that you could do in linux in seconds, because you don't know better? :) |
| 15:45.00 | albert | Thursley, ty |
| 15:45.01 | Hammar | my reason to choose debian: because through speedstep-centrino kernel module, powernowd and aticonfig --set-powerstate=1 my notebook's fans run less while transcoding a dvd under debian than they do under XP or Vista doing nothing |
| 15:45.07 | ryanCH | benjamindees: thanks |
| 15:45.07 | jelly | trolling on the riiiver |
| 15:45.09 | metbsd | but don't get me wrong, debian is great server, i just config a exim4 server on debian today, with SA and clamav, mysql authen, so nice |
| 15:45.22 | enouf | (and the black girls sing) |
| 15:45.38 | abrotman | doop doop doop |
| 15:46.00 | Kevin` | metbsd spend some time (yes, spend time, ohnoes, it's only once), getting your system set up properly instead of switching around, and learn how to use it. I guarantee you will appreciate it more for local use then |
| 15:46.23 | benjamindees | !tell ryanCH about pppoe |
| 15:46.57 | Hammar | are the conffiles in /etc/default/ just templates or are they actually used? |
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| 15:47.05 | xand | Hammar: they're used |
| 15:47.10 | stew | Hammar: they are used by scripts in /etc/init.d |
| 15:47.18 | TCW | metbsd, it takes just a few moments to set up a debian workstation, which takes hours for windows... I don't get your point |
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| 15:47.50 | pazo | I which be of able measurements some in measurement is in the pure Internet! |
| 15:48.07 | xand | jelly: using the xp built-in VPN? |
| 15:48.08 | stew | jelly: which vpn software are you having trouble with? |
| 15:48.15 | jelly | stew: vpnc |
| 15:48.26 | Kevin` | jelly what protocol does that use? |
| 15:48.36 | jelly | xand: nah, Cisco's vpnclient |
| 15:48.36 | xand | I have debian setup to connect to windows vpn server (pptp) easily |
| 15:48.40 | xand | oh, lame :) |
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| 15:48.50 | stew | jelly: works fine here... anything in particular? |
| 15:48.56 | Kevin` | i'm 90% sure you can use cisco-compatible vpn from linux |
| 15:49.00 | Kevin` | i've seen a howto on it |
| 15:49.01 | Hammar | then i guess powernowd does have a problem with OPTIONS="-m 1 -q", if read from /etc/default/powernowd |
| 15:49.14 | TCW | let's say, after base install (20 Minutes at most?): aptitude install .... you can go to the movies, read a book, take your gf to a local icecream-cafe, come back and everything is set up... what do you do with windows? |
| 15:49.26 | jelly | stew: doesn't connect over the GPRS/3G modem card for some reason |
| 15:49.48 | Kevin` | jelly is IP working on the card? |
| 15:50.02 | Thursley | TCW click and pray |
| 15:50.04 | jelly | stew: I suspect MTU size / fragmentation |
| 15:50.09 | Kevin` | jelly assuming yes, are you behind any form of nat |
| 15:50.19 | DragonD | enouf: i think all i had to do was run update-grub. |
| 15:50.19 | stew | jelly: don't know why that would differ from linux to windows though |
| 15:50.29 | Kevin` | mtu on the sending side is easy enough to play with |
| 15:50.32 | stew | jelly: maybe tcp window scaling though |
| 15:50.33 | pazo | I hold linux to use how much more the standard dichtbijgelegen! |
| 15:50.42 | enouf | DragonD: ok then .. i never understood your orig question anyway ;-) |
| 15:50.55 | DragonD | enouf: lo |
| 15:50.56 | DragonD | l |
| 15:50.59 | Hammar | for the linux newbie: what ways are there to issue "aticonfig --set-powerstate=X" at boot? |
| 15:51.00 | jelly | stew: oh, because I'm not using Cisco's vpnclient on linux. vpnc is a free reimplementation, they get some things wrong. |
| 15:51.22 | stew | jelly: does it work over the internet instead of over GPRS? |
| 15:51.27 | jelly | pazo: You're nuts. |
| 15:51.35 | jelly | stew: affirmative |
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| 15:51.39 | enouf | Hammar: bootmisc.sh or rc.local perhaps |
| 15:51.54 | jelly | stew: (and gprs is internet, too ;-) |
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| 15:52.22 | stew | jelly: do you have a public ip via gprs or 1918? |
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| 15:52.45 | DragonD | so for the hardware guys... my computer has been randomly "frezing", by which i mean it stops, no errors, no mouse movement, i've tried new ram and it still does it. any ideas? |
| 15:52.47 | stew | jelly: have you tried cisco's vpn client for linux? |
| 15:52.53 | jelly | stew: I get a real IP, like a dial-up connection |
| 15:53.02 | stew | jelly: i'd try turning off window scaling anyway |
| 15:53.09 | DragonD | oh it does it in windows and linux so it is deffently hardware. |
| 15:53.12 | pazo | jelly: Freezing I cannot be mothers, because the people mothers cannot say that they are not mothers |
| 15:53.13 | jelly | stew: no, it would probably work but I hate that thing |
| 15:53.24 | stew | jelly: agreed |
| 15:53.34 | jelly | ffs, someone silence the funny guy |
| 15:53.37 | TCW | Thursley, and of yourse... DISC JOCKEY TIME!!! :) |
| 15:53.42 | TCW | course even |
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| 15:54.03 | stew | pazo: do you have a debian related question? |
| 15:54.23 | TCW | jelly, as a side-note... even for new users the history is broken |
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| 15:54.41 | enouf | DragonD: PSU, reseat the video card, perhaps bad Mobo even (bulging/leaky capacitors), or hairline crack teh doesn't affect anything, till it warms up and expands |
| 15:54.54 | enouf | s/teh/that |
| 15:55.21 | jelly | TCW: what does that mean, exactly? nothing gets written in the history file? ! doesn't work? Your Up / Down keys don't produce the expected result? |
| 15:55.42 | pazo | stew: Desire to know it for debian I am used in my calculating portable one |
| 15:55.54 | TCW | jelly, up/down does not work |
| 15:55.58 | xand | DragonD: overheating? other hardware failure |
| 15:56.03 | TCW | jelly, it just "beeps" |
| 15:56.04 | enouf | DragonD: try also using 1 DIMM only, and in a differnet slot (if the Mobo allows that) |
| 15:56.07 | DragonD | enouf: any chance it's the cpu? i've done a burn test it got to 65 deg C and didn't have any problems. it's Athlon 64 x2 3800 |
| 15:56.09 | stew | pazo: if you have a debian question, please ask it. otherwise, please keep quiet |
| 15:56.09 | Ronin | pazo: what is your native language? |
| 15:56.19 | enouf | DragonD: are you o/cing? |
| 15:56.27 | DragonD | enouf: no |
| 15:56.36 | enouf | DragonD: likely not CPU, very rare |
| 15:56.38 | benjamindees | I agree, bad capacitors |
| 15:56.49 | pazo | I'm actually testing out a script ;) |
| 15:56.57 | TCW | jelly, as far as I can tell ~/.bashhistory seems ok... let me check if it is still written to it |
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| 15:57.01 | Ronin | pazo: then maybe test it elsewher? |
| 15:57.05 | Ronin | never mind |
| 15:57.25 | stew | pazo: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic. in the future please stick to debian support. an 800 person channel is not the place to test scripts |
| 15:57.41 | jelly | TCW: man bash --> look for editing-mode and keymap; check that they are not set to "vi" |
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| 15:57.56 | enouf | DragonD: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague |
| 15:57.58 | jelly | TCW: check that your TERM variable is set correctly |
| 15:58.12 | TCW | jelly, and yes, it is still written to the history file.. |
| 15:58.17 | jelly | TCW: does ctrl-p and ctrl-n work? |
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| 15:58.37 | TCW | jelly, oops... yes! |
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| 15:58.51 | jelly | TCW: it's a terminal issue, then |
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| 15:59.43 | DragonD | enouf: the thing is it only does it when i'm using my computer and truly random. some times it would be 2-3 hrs and like now. it hasn't happened for a good 6-7 hrs. so inorder to the ram slots it'd take at least a day or two. to let it run and use my computer for about 5-6 hrs with each slot. also it doesn't freeze over night. my computer is 24/7 |
| 16:00.19 | TCW | jelly, hmm.... and that means? The keyboardmap is broken? |
| 16:01.13 | jelly | TCW: it means your TERM environment variable is probably wrong |
| 16:01.18 | stoned | modem |
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| 16:01.42 | jelly | TCW: if you don't understand what I'm saying, please say so. :-) |
| 16:01.57 | jelly | TCW: echo $TERM |
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| 16:02.29 | enouf | DragonD: doesn't freeze overnight == heat issue likely, bad RAM, bad caps, hairline cracks, etc .. Visually check out what you can as noted already, then starty swapping components to narrow it down, check you cutoff temps in BIOS for CPU, make sure case is clear of dust, and ALL fans are working, especially the CPU HSF |
| 16:02.49 | TCW | jelly, as before "xterm" the same as when I start a real xterm, the $TERM variable is set there to "xterm" too... but for example with xterm the bash history works as expected |
| 16:03.31 | enouf | DragonD: do you use Power Management overnight? suspend/sleep? |
| 16:04.07 | jelly | TCW: it's the terminal that you use, then. I guess you could read its manual and try to set it up correctly |
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| 16:05.16 | DragonD | enouf: no. just monitor shuts off. |
| 16:05.46 | juancgt | does the stock ipw2200 module allow packet injection? |
| 16:05.49 | enouf | DragonD: is the PC working in the background? d/l torrents and shit? |
| 16:05.50 | TCW | jelly, I just wonder why this happened |
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| 16:06.10 | jelly | TCW: you're running sid. things break. |
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| 16:06.24 | TiMiDo | http://pastebin.ca/632081 can someone help me with this error |
| 16:06.26 | enouf | DragonD: when is your cron.daily set to run? Nightly? or the default 6:30am?, iinm |
| 16:06.29 | DragonD | enouf: sometimes |
| 16:06.38 | x_link | enouf: =) |
| 16:06.48 | enouf | DragonD: well, you have a lot to go on, so follow up with that so far |
| 16:06.54 | DragonD | enouf: i just installed linux yesterday. |
| 16:06.55 | enouf | x_link: hola! |
| 16:06.57 | jelly | TCW: check the bts, report the bug if not there and continue with life, I guess ;-) |
| 16:07.03 | TCW | jelly, this is not the only sid box I use but the only sid box where it broke up |
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| 16:07.10 | DragonD | enouf: thanks for the help. |
| 16:07.16 | enouf | DragonD: ok .. no prob |
| 16:07.20 | benjamindees | DragonD, just open it up and check for bulging caps |
| 16:07.26 | TCW | jelly, I can't report a bug if I am not convinced this is a bug |
| 16:07.30 | TiMiDo | http://pastebin.ca/632081 can someone help me with this error |
| 16:07.48 | Supaplex | !tell TiMiDo -about repeat |
| 16:07.57 | TiMiDo | nice |
| 16:08.25 | jelly | TCW: Sounds like a handicap, I can do a lot of things I'm not convinced in. :-> |
| 16:08.40 | DragonD | benjamindees: i'm checking the mobo now. hehe. |
| 16:08.42 | TCW | jelly, *lol* :) |
| 16:09.07 | TCW | jelly, I'll think about it :) |
| 16:10.42 | TCW | jelly, but thanks for your help and suggestions |
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| 16:11.23 | benjamindees | how is 'mv' missing an option to 'not overwrite' existing files? that's like the most basic thing ever... |
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| 16:11.43 | Ozux | hi I add some directories to my $PATH in .bashrc but that Directories are not in the Alt+F2, How can I change my Environment Variables for my X session? (GNOME) |
| 16:12.02 | Supaplex | benjamindees: sounds like mv -i |
| 16:12.04 | TiMiDo | http://pastebin.ca/632081 can someone help me with this error |
| 16:12.07 | TiMiDo | im using lenny |
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| 16:12.24 | jelly | TCW: BTW, I see a /usr/share/terminfo/g/gnome terminfo definition, have you tried setting TERM=gnome perchance? |
| 16:12.30 | Supaplex | TiMiDo: did you check bts? what happens when you install hal on its own? |
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| 16:12.44 | TCW | jelly, let me try it now :) |
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| 16:12.56 | TiMiDo | Supaplex, Reloading system message bus config...done. |
| 16:12.56 | TiMiDo | Starting Hardware abstraction layer: hald |
| 16:12.56 | TiMiDo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.01 | benjamindees | Supaplex, yeah but I don't want to be prompted; I can implement it in bash it's just odd that it's missing |
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| 16:13.36 | Supaplex | benjamindees: rsync might |
| 16:14.06 | pkempgen | Hi. I have a strange problem: "ps ax" just prints the first line and then the process hangs. I can't abort it with Ctrl-C. However "ps ax | tee" works fine. Any idea? |
| 16:14.15 | Supaplex | benjamindees: actually, bash has a set flag to prevent overwriting files. |
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| 16:14.53 | TCW | jelly, does not work too |
| 16:15.01 | jelly | oh well |
| 16:15.10 | benjamindees | Supaplex, I doubt that affects mv when run in a shell script |
| 16:15.20 | TCW | jelly, ;) |
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| 16:15.23 | Supaplex | TiMiDo: check bts for hal bugs related to yours. consider downgrading hal+pinning to something you know that works, and file a bug if you think it's a hal bug. |
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| 16:15.43 | stew | benjamindees: mv -i file1 file2 < /dev/null |
| 16:15.49 | Supaplex | benjamindees: test it and see =) |
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| 16:17.28 | drwahl | is there a way to mount http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists to /mnt/test on my machine? |
| 16:17.53 | pkempgen | another strange thing is that for some directories "ls -l" hangs while "ls" or "ls -l | tee" works |
| 16:18.27 | pkempgen | i tried to debug this with strace but strace hangs after the first line which is "execve(..." |
| 16:19.05 | pkempgen | any other idea how to debug this problem? |
| 16:19.31 | pkempgen | reboot didn't help. memtest is fine |
| 16:20.17 | Supaplex | drwahl: there might be a better way. what are going to do after that works? |
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| 16:21.03 | drwahl | Supaplex: ok, LONG story short... i have an old mac (perfoma 6500) and i want to install linux on it |
| 16:21.06 | blackest | hi if a program is executable by root does that mean only root can run it ? |
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| 16:21.42 | drwahl | we have to bootx and to boot into a network install, but the net-install boots to woody |
| 16:21.53 | drwahl | so we want to trick it into downloading a newer dist |
| 16:22.39 | azeem | why not dist-upgrade afterwards? |
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| 16:23.25 | drwahl | because it installs a 2.2 kernel, and we cant seem to get past that kernel |
| 16:23.28 | benjamindees | stew, thanks |
| 16:23.51 | azeem | drwahl: what do you mean, "past that kernel"? |
| 16:24.11 | drwahl | if we try to get something newer than a 2.2 kenrel (lets say 2.4) it asks for glibc6, but libc6 dpends on 2.4 kernels |
| 16:24.17 | TiMiDo | hey how do i mount an external hard drive? |
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| 16:24.42 | TCW | TiMiDo, exactly as you would mount an internal one |
| 16:24.46 | azeem | drwahl: that would be a case to install woody, not something newer, no? |
| 16:25.02 | TiMiDo | TCW, but i do not know the path of the h/d |
| 16:25.17 | Supaplex | TiMiDo: with mount - see /proc/partitions |
| 16:25.20 | jelly | drwahl: tried booting linux24? |
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| 16:25.37 | TCW | TiMiDo, so look for it? dmesg | fdisk -l | /proc/partitions ... |
| 16:25.49 | TiMiDo | bash: /proc/partitions: Permission denied |
| 16:25.51 | TiMiDo | i am root |
| 16:26.04 | Supaplex | you don't need to use lenny. |
| 16:26.05 | TCW | TiMiDo, lokk INTO this file |
| 16:26.08 | DragonD | i just ran sensors and it's saying -12v is +1.54 what the hell? |
| 16:26.10 | TCW | look even |
| 16:26.19 | TiMiDo | which file |
| 16:26.30 | benjamindees | TiMiDo, dmesg |grep '/dev/sd' |
| 16:26.32 | TCW | TiMiDo, ise less, cat, gedit, kate, oowriter... whatever you like |
| 16:26.40 | drwahl | jelly: the issue is that we (a buddy and i) are forced into using bootx, and the only thing it points at is woody |
| 16:26.44 | TCW | s/ise/use/ |
| 16:26.53 | TiMiDo | TCW, is sda1 |
| 16:26.55 | TiMiDo | how do you mount it? |
| 16:27.06 | Supaplex | TiMiDo: man mount - you're on testing |
| 16:27.12 | TCW | TiMiDo, ? |
| 16:27.12 | drwahl | jelly: by "forced" i mean that the mac wont boot anything else. bootx is what it uses to get linux onto it. |
| 16:27.18 | TiMiDo | TCW, how do you mount it? |
| 16:27.31 | jelly | drwahl: meaning you can't tell woody's netinst to boot "linux24"? |
| 16:27.31 | Supaplex | TiMiDo: read the man page for mount and figure it out |
| 16:27.37 | TCW | TiMiDo, do I have the disc on my desk? |
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| 16:27.56 | drwahl | jelly: i'm not sure how i would go about doing so... |
| 16:28.10 | TCW | TiMiDo, I am not a foreteller, I don't know anything about your disc, how should I know how to mount it? |
| 16:28.23 | jelly | drwahl: usually there's a prompt involved. :-) |
| 16:28.39 | Supaplex | he left - but this is a prereq for testing. |
| 16:29.01 | TCW | Supaplex, he uses testing? |
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| 16:29.16 | Aaron__ | hey how do i stop gnome to start up? |
| 16:29.20 | Supaplex | 10:10 < TiMiDo> im using lenny |
| 16:29.26 | drwahl | jelly: :) understandable... i'm not sure where i would pass the command at |
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| 16:29.41 | TCW | Supaplex, oops :) |
| 16:29.46 | loupgaroublond | is there a quick way to turn a python .egg into a .deb? |
| 16:29.59 | jelly | drwahl: send me a crappy old mac with bootx and I'll try to figure it out :-> |
| 16:29.59 | Aaron__ | can someone tell me how to stop, gnome at start up? |
| 16:30.08 | drwahl | jelly: i boot bootx, which takes me into the net-install... |
| 16:30.12 | TCW | Aaron__, sure |
| 16:30.27 | drwahl | jelly: that might be a possibility :) i have a spare |
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| 16:30.35 | benjamindees | Aaron__, you mean gdm, the gnome login screen? |
| 16:30.41 | Supaplex | loupgaroublond: with dpkg-deb |
| 16:30.48 | Aaron__ | benjamindees: yeap |
| 16:30.55 | Aaron__ | how do you stop the gdm script. |
| 16:31.01 | Aaron__ | to start up in the begginning is annoying |
| 16:31.14 | Supaplex | !tell Aaron__ -about nodm |
| 16:31.24 | loupgaroublond | Supaplex, can i find more in the man page? |
| 16:31.36 | drwahl | jelly: maybe a more appropriate question would be: what is the proper way to upgrade from a 2.2 kernel to a newer (eventualy 2.6) |
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| 16:31.54 | TCW | benjamindees, you killjoy! :-P |
| 16:31.55 | jelly | drwahl: have you read the release notes? http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/powerpc/ch-install-methods.en.html#s-files-oldworld |
| 16:31.59 | Aaron__ | and now how do i put gnome-session to .xinitrc or whatever config the startx uses |
| 16:32.01 | Supaplex | loupgaroublond: yes, you might need to install something. |
| 16:32.04 | drwahl | jelly: will do |
| 16:32.18 | pkempgen | so nobody knows a possible reason for why "ps ax" hangs but "ps ax | tee" works fine or how to debug this? i'm really lost :-) |
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| 16:32.44 | Aaron__ | ca you tell me Supaplex on how to put gnome-session on .xinitrc |
| 16:32.52 | Supaplex | pkempgen: did you use -f and -F flags on strace? |
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| 16:33.02 | Supaplex | !.xinitrc |
| 16:33.02 | dpkg | from memory, .xinitrc is actually ~/.xinitrc, which is used for running X as startx, and ~/.xsession is for when using X from a Display Manager like xdm or kdm. discouraged in Debian, as if you just use ~/.xsession it will work from both startx and the display manager, as documented in startx(1) |
| 16:33.04 | jelly | drwahl: seems like bootx is capable of running a custom kernel+initrd. If this is the case, try using etch or sarge instead |
| 16:33.10 | drwahl | jelly: hmm... looks familiar. this has been a side project i have been fiddling with for some time now, so i may have read this document a few months ago |
| 16:33.15 | pkempgen | i tried strace -f but that hangs after the first line |
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| 16:33.51 | Supaplex | pkempgen: if you run top, do you see many proccess in the D state? |
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| 16:34.34 | loupgaroublond | Supaplex, i don't see anything in the man page for it |
| 16:34.35 | Supaplex | TiMiDo: why did you choose the developer branch (testing/lenny) of debian? |
| 16:34.39 | drwahl | jelly: i think the owner of the machine is loggin in. he and i are partners in crime for this project |
| 16:34.49 | dimsuz | anyone knows why git 1.5 isn't even in unstable | experimental? |
| 16:34.54 | azeem | Supaplex: testing is not "the developer branch" |
| 16:34.56 | dimsuz | I can see only 1.4 |
| 16:35.14 | mosty | i'm trying to compile the comedi kernel module(s), and the docs say that it kernel 2.6.6 is the most recent kernel that is supported... too old for my liking. does anyone know of an alternative to comedi? |
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| 16:35.35 | Supaplex | azeem: that may be sid, but if this kid has no idea what cat is, he should stay on stable. |
| 16:35.40 | drwahl | jelly: apparently we (the other guy) tried doing that (booting another kernel) but there were some major video issues. |
| 16:35.47 | azeem | Supaplex: why? |
| 16:35.49 | Supaplex | loupgaroublond: dpkg-deb -b stagedir/ |
| 16:36.03 | drwahl | jelly: maybe it would be easier to just fix the video issues.... |
| 16:36.08 | azeem | both stable and testing are supported for users |
| 16:36.23 | jelly | drwahl: obscure architectures can be funny that way, yes :-| I'm partial to sparc machines meself |
| 16:36.25 | drwahl | jelly: its wierd, there are like 3 columns that flicker on the right half of the screen |
| 16:36.30 | pkempgen | Supaplex: no, "top" doesnt show any process in the D state. any option required for top? |
| 16:36.41 | loupgaroublond | Supaplex, that requires a debian/ folder already, i was wondering if there is a way to make a .deb out of something i can get from the python cheeseshop |
| 16:36.45 | Supaplex | azeem: ok, fair enough. |
| 16:37.10 | jelly | drwahl: using a serial console for installation might be a feasible workaround |
| 16:37.25 | Supaplex | loupgaroublond: not that I know of. .deb's have to have debian/control anyhow |
| 16:37.41 | TiMiDo | is this an alsa bug or something amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device |
| 16:37.41 | TiMiDo | Saving the mixer setup used for this in /var/lib/alsa/asound.state. |
| 16:37.41 | TiMiDo | /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1253: No soundcards found... |
| 16:38.08 | loupgaroublond | Supaplex, i understand, is there no way to have that automatically generated from the setup.py file? |
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| 16:38.59 | dimsuz | anyone knows when proprietary nvidia driver gets fixed in testing? |
| 16:39.02 | Supaplex | loupgaroublond: no idea myself. |
| 16:39.13 | TiMiDo | is that a bug/> |
| 16:39.14 | TiMiDo | on alsa? |
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| 16:39.57 | Supaplex | TiMiDo: has sound worked recently? |
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| 16:40.06 | mosty | dimsuz, look at the bug on bugs.debian.org |
| 16:40.15 | stew | loupgaroublond: no, but it would be relatively easy to copy another python module's packaging |
| 16:40.19 | TiMiDo | Supaplex, nope |
| 16:40.26 | H2OyJaBoN | TiMiDo, have you fixed the problem with hal package ? |
| 16:40.39 | TiMiDo | yeap h20 |
| 16:40.52 | dimsuz | mosty: well, what should I see? :) there are three bugs. but I can't say when they'll be fixed by looking at them ;) |
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| 16:41.31 | mosty | dimsuz, only a psychic can tell you what you want to know. |
| 16:41.35 | mischief | -- Is there a LiveCD distrobution of Linux that will let you run a web server, like Apache? Just straight from the CD. |
| 16:41.56 | dimsuz | mosty: lol. well, who knows maybe I'll find one here ;) |
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| 16:42.14 | enouf | TiMiDo: just a guess, but you might have dbus issues |
| 16:42.25 | TiMiDo | enouf, are you serious how can i fixed it? |
| 16:42.33 | dimsuz | mosty: why psychic? :) maybe some developer working on nvidia package... |
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| 16:42.47 | benjamindees | mischief, looks like knoppix includes apache |
| 16:42.58 | enouf | TiMiDo: pastebin output of dpkg -l alsa* .. and tell us what you're trying to do -- with which apps, which DE, etc |
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| 16:43.02 | dimsuz | wow. even 4 bugs now |
| 16:43.11 | mischief | benjamindees: I'll check that out. |
| 16:43.33 | mosty | dimsuz, the bugs database is the place to look for support, but nobody knows with any certainty when any given bug will be solved. it happens when it happens. |
| 16:43.37 | enouf | TiMiDo: pstree -lunap | grep dbus .. pastebin that |
| 16:43.47 | benjamindees | mischief, morphix also seems to include it |
| 16:44.03 | cydork | mischief: also take a look at live-package |
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| 16:44.24 | dimsuz | mosty: well, if i'm a developer (and I am, but not debian one), sometimes i know when I have time/resources to fix the bug. sometimes I don't of course :) |
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| 16:44.29 | TiMiDo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.29 | TiMiDo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:44.38 | enouf | mischief: check out grml.org -- see the list of included apps |
| 16:44.40 | pkempgen | top does not show *any* process in state D. they're all in state S except for top itself which is in state R |
| 16:44.44 | enouf | TiMiDo: STOP that |
| 16:44.48 | drwahl | jelly: Gerat is my partner that is working with me |
| 16:44.52 | TiMiDo | sorry enouf |
| 16:44.55 | mosty | dimsuz, well post a comment to the bug, and ask |
| 16:45.01 | mischief | benjamindees: I was using A Morphix version called "Ebox", it didn't have apache webserver. |
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| 16:45.08 | dimsuz | mosty: ok, thanks for input |
| 16:45.14 | Hammaren | uhm... how do i change the alignment of gnome panels if there is no vacant space on them to start dragging them by mouse? |
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| 16:46.38 | enouf | TiMiDo: dbus looks ok .. what's lspci | grep -i Audio say? visit kmuto.jp and make sure correct modules are loaded - do /msg dpkg which driver |
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| 16:46.48 | xlotlu | can i heve multiple postinst_hooks in /etc/kernel-img.conf? |
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| 16:47.10 | TiMiDo | 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50 |
| 16:47.54 | pumpkin0 | chroot'ing into another /-dir switches/reloads everything except the kernel (libc6 & Co) ? |
| 16:48.09 | marcuss | Hello ,How do you add a user on Debain , with SSH user |
| 16:48.14 | enouf | xlotlu: man kernel-img.conf maybe - what are you trying to do? |
| 16:48.33 | pumpkin0 | marcels: "adduser name". What about ssh ? |
| 16:48.44 | xlotlu | enouf: want to m-a a-i automatically |
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| 16:49.11 | xlotlu | guess i'll just have to reinstall and see what happens |
| 16:49.22 | Gerat | jelly: howdy, what insights do you have to the video problem? :-) 3 columns of flicker from other columns |
| 16:49.25 | stew | xlotlu: how are you going to know what kernel version to run m-a a-i for? |
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| 16:49.38 | TiMiDo | enouf, any ideas |
| 16:49.53 | TiMiDo | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 16:49.57 | xlotlu | stew: the postinst_hook gets the kernel version as aprameter |
| 16:50.00 | themill | TiMiDo: the VIA cards are pretty hit and miss. Try the latest kernel as that has newer alsa modules in it. |
| 16:50.07 | stew | xlotlu: oh, ok |
| 16:50.32 | themill | TiMiDo: or try asking in #alsa. They have debug scripts that they will get you to run that work out the chip etc. |
| 16:50.32 | TiMiDo | themill, which one is the lastest kernel? |
| 16:50.43 | enouf | TiMiDo: i asked for much info, none have you given |
| 16:51.18 | themill | TiMiDo: 2.6.21 is I think the latest one available for debian |
| 16:51.29 | enouf | roflmao |
| 16:51.32 | TiMiDo | 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 16:52.06 | themill | TiMiDo: sorry -- 2.6.22 is in unstable now too |
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| 16:54.38 | _Sam-- | (debian rules -- i just got a dedicated server from the planet.com with rhel -- what a joke) |
| 16:55.10 | _Sam-- | its like what is the point of packages and a package system if all the packages arent current -- they dont even have mysql5 or php5 packages. |
| 16:55.35 | stew | _Sam--: they used to provide debian, but no longer. so i've just been replacing their centos installs with debian with debootstrap |
| 16:56.04 | _Sam-- | hmm do you have a how-to? i got rhel (not centos) |
| 16:56.13 | jelly | Gerat: none in particular, I suggested trying to use a serial console to work around it, then (after the installation is finished) try a newer kernel |
| 16:56.23 | stew | _Sam--: not really but try /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 16:56.46 | _Sam-- | thanks for the tip. i think at this point i'll just be resigned to compile what ineed from source, and just call it a day. |
| 16:56.53 | Gerat | jelly: alright, I can try that thanks for the info |
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| 16:57.11 | |Zero|H|I|T| | hello |
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| 16:57.29 | |Zero|H|I|T| | i havent used linux much and i want to replace kubuntu with debian |
| 16:57.54 | mosty | |Zero|H|I|T|, backup your data, then install debian |
| 16:58.03 | |Zero|H|I|T| | i dont know much about debian |
| 16:58.06 | |Zero|H|I|T| | is it easy to use? |
| 16:58.21 | mosty | |Zero|H|I|T|, debian is not as easy as ubuntu |
| 16:58.42 | |Zero|H|I|T| | i thought so... |
| 16:58.52 | |Zero|H|I|T| | so what would you advice me? |
| 16:58.53 | drwahl | in a Windows enviroment, the Domain Controller handles all the authentication for users on the network. is there a similar system for linux? |
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| 16:59.02 | |Zero|H|I|T| | i just got many errors at kubuntu... |
| 16:59.05 | jair | hey guys if I have a directory called 'foo' it has some files on it and I want to create a back up of it but compress it at the same time can I do "gzip foo"? |
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| 16:59.14 | drwahl | i am aware of linux PDC via samba, but that isnt what i am looking for |
| 16:59.16 | _Sam-- | jair: man tar |
| 16:59.22 | _Sam-- | tar will zip and backup at the same time |
| 16:59.26 | xand | drwahl: various ways; AD, ldap, kerberos... |
| 16:59.29 | mosty | |Zero|H|I|T|, probably simpler to fix your issues with ubuntu |
| 16:59.33 | jair | but I want to leave the current file and create a new compressed one |
| 16:59.43 | jair | _Sam--: let me check |
| 16:59.56 | |Zero|H|I|T| | mosty i thought debian has less bugs than ubuntu |
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| 16:59.59 | |Zero|H|I|T| | is this true? |
| 17:00.00 | _Sam-- | gzip will do what you want, easier. |
| 17:00.01 | roland | roland |
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| 17:00.06 | roland | hello |
| 17:00.32 | stew | |Zero|H|I|T|: that would vary depending on th packages you are using, and we really wouldn't know in general |
| 17:00.33 | pkempgen | tar -cvzf /tmp/tmp.tgz /my/dir |
| 17:00.35 | mosty | |Zero|H|I|T|, it's not something that you can compare easily |
| 17:00.42 | drwahl | xand: and, if working similar to the way Windows Domain Controllers work, users will not have to be created on each individual machine, but only on the domain controller, right? |
| 17:00.48 | jair | pkempgen: Thank you very much |
| 17:00.58 | |Zero|H|I|T| | i just have to choose between ubuntu and debian |
| 17:01.05 | |Zero|H|I|T| | i want to use one distro for years |
| 17:01.12 | mosty | |Zero|H|I|T|, try both. see which you like best. |
| 17:01.13 | xlotlu | well.. can't m-a a-i from posinst_hook: obviously... Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 17:01.16 | |Zero|H|I|T| | not to reinstall it every 2 days... |
| 17:01.38 | xlotlu | i'd like a post-postinst_hook :) |
| 17:01.40 | stew | |Zero|H|I|T|: you should be able to get that from either |
| 17:01.41 | |Zero|H|I|T| | can i use debian with 1CD onlY? |
| 17:01.49 | |Zero|H|I|T| | i cant dl 3DVD |
| 17:01.50 | mosty | |Zero|H|I|T|, you don't need to reinstall ubuntu or debian- you can upgrade without doing a fresh install |
| 17:02.01 | subx | |Zero|H|I|T|: this is a debian channel not ubuntu |
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| 17:02.12 | |Zero|H|I|T| | i know subx |
| 17:02.14 | mosty | |Zero|H|I|T|, read the debian install guide if you want to know what's required to install debian |
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| 17:02.22 | jair | thanks |
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| 17:02.37 | |Zero|H|I|T| | ok |
| 17:02.38 | stew | |Zero|H|I|T|: yes, you can install debian from only 1 CD provided you can get onto the internet using a stock debian kernel |
| 17:02.51 | jair | _Sam--: but gzip will let the current directory where it is? |
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| 17:03.05 | jair | _Sam--: i just want to create a copy gzipped |
| 17:03.17 | roland | hello , please help me, i have a problem i cannot play in any player : http://www.mykiss.ro/live <- radio stream , i tried installing codecs for audacious but it doesnt work |
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| 17:03.21 | roland | what must i install |
| 17:03.21 | jair | pkempgen: this command will leave the original file where it is |
| 17:04.10 | JosefK | I can't find anything on the mailing lists about it, but does anyone know if the removal of nvidia-glx from lenny is only temporary? |
| 17:04.53 | mith | JosefK: you should be glad it was there in the first place it took like 4 years for them to be convinced the licensing was "free enough" |
| 17:04.56 | xlotlu | any suggestions for automatically doing m-a a-i after a new kernel install? |
| 17:05.01 | mith | stupid politics |
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| 17:05.03 | enouf | roland: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=multimedia+stream+x-scpls&btnG=Search |
| 17:05.15 | pkempgen | jair: right |
| 17:05.24 | enouf | roland: fwiw - the format is audio/x-scpls |
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| 17:05.43 | jair | pkempgen: ok |
| 17:05.52 | JosefK | mith, that was probably reasonable, but ftr it's only missing in lenny, still in all the other releases |
| 17:05.58 | roland | enouf, ok but what player can i install that plays it ? |
| 17:06.16 | enouf | roland: i don;t know offhand, google might |
| 17:06.24 | mith | JosefK: then probably temporary |
| 17:06.35 | mith | JosefK: check bts |
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| 17:07.04 | JosefK | mith: 'bts'? |
| 17:07.53 | abrotman | !bts |
| 17:07.53 | dpkg | it has been said that bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 17:08.33 | JosefK | ah, thanks |
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| 17:09.34 | enouf | xlotlu: willkernel-img.conf accept a script, instead of /usr/sbin/update-grub, and then put those in that script? |
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| 17:10.13 | stew | enouf: he can't run m-a a-i from postinst becuase it needs to lock the already locked dpkg database |
| 17:10.39 | xlotlu | enouf: m-a from there.. because it happens before dpkg finished installation of the linux-image package |
| 17:10.59 | enouf | stew: oh .. hrm what about --stem as mentioned in man kernel-img.conf? I haven't looked closely |
| 17:11.08 | stew | no idea |
| 17:11.17 | enouf | under the postinst_hook paragraph |
| 17:11.20 | xlotlu | enouf: so a-i won't work as the dpkg db is locked by the parent process, so the scritp will fail, so the kernel installation will fail.. |
| 17:11.38 | Supaplex | stupid 16mb disk turns into 8.2mb after formatting. |
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| 17:13.05 | enouf | xlotlu: couldn't theoretically a script use && to wait for one process to finish? also, see my last comment to stew -- i'm not sure about any of this, just stabbing |
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| 17:15.36 | xlotlu | enouf: i don't know what the stem is supposed to be used for. anyway, it might be possible to run another process detached from this script, and that process wait for the dpkg lock to disappear.. wouldn't know how to do that in bash though |
| 17:16.52 | enouf | xlotlu: read .. ask in #bash, but hit that kernel-img.conf man page 1st and foremost, it says postinstall_hook does db_stop, etc |
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| 17:17.25 | enouf | it mentions debconf too |
| 17:17.42 | xlotlu | enouf: i did rtfm.. |
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| 17:20.45 | xlotlu | enouf: the docs also tell how to install modules, but using make-kpkg. which is well.. not that nice |
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| 17:26.48 | roland | who is john maddox |
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| 17:38.50 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 17:38.58 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 17:39.56 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 17:39.56 | dpkg | <Cyph_> i'm stoned, but the segfaults are real abrotman |
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| 17:47.33 | korhojoa_ | !qotd0 |
| 17:47.34 | dpkg | <nevyn_> lazybone: DIE <lazybone> nevyn_: What is DIE? |
| 17:47.36 | korhojoa_ | !qotd0 |
| 17:47.38 | whooper_ | hello, i have a quick question... how/where do i change the x-terminal-emulator variable? |
| 17:47.43 | korhojoa_ | :D |
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| 17:48.49 | abrotman | whooper_: update-alternatives |
| 17:48.52 | joelmichael | hey, i just tried an update and got an error at the end: http://pastie.caboo.se/81800 |
| 17:49.04 | abrotman | !mmap |
| 17:49.04 | dpkg | i guess dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need |
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| 17:50.22 | subx | i still cant get my fonts to look as good as windows or os x.. im looking into something called XFT now |
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| 17:51.24 | joelmichael | thx |
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| 17:52.51 | swine__ | hey, does anyone here know about the Composite Blocking LIst (CBL) |
| 17:52.52 | swine__ | ? |
| 17:53.27 | dan2__ | abrotman: wb to the living |
| 17:53.38 | abrotman | eh? |
| 17:53.51 | dan2 | abrotman: where were you over the weekend? |
| 17:53.58 | dan2 | you live in this place |
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| 17:54.46 | amee2k | i have an intel 82801AA AC97 sound card. how can i get alsaconf to recognize it? |
| 17:54.59 | irwiss | After sending an email with exim via gmail as smarthost, I get the message in gmail's inbox and a mail delivery failure message claiming "PERM_FAILURE: Message rejected for Sector 5 policy reasons". Should I blame gmail or exim? |
| 17:55.09 | dan2 | ~tell amee2k about alsa |
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| 17:55.24 | ErikRose | Could somebody remind me what Debian's default root shell is? |
| 17:55.38 | themill | bash |
| 17:55.41 | ErikRose | thx |
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| 17:57.42 | abrotman | dan2: uhm .. danville .. ironheritagefestival.net |
| 17:58.09 | abrotman | irwiss: i'd guess gmail .. or ask #exim |
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| 17:58.57 | dan2 | abrotman: I don't see any mention of hot wings or beer |
| 17:59.16 | themill | irwiss: is this a new failure? have you had it working in the past? |
| 17:59.20 | _Sam-- | where is danville? va? |
| 17:59.23 | abrotman | dan2: they don't mention the free beer |
| 17:59.24 | dan2 | pa |
| 17:59.30 | abrotman | _Sam--: this one is in central PA |
| 17:59.36 | _Sam-- | oh i see -- there is danville, VA -- i race motorcycles down there |
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| 17:59.44 | irwiss | themill, no, I've just got exim sending 5 mins ago :P |
| 17:59.59 | _Sam-- | (would be a sad place to have any type of get together) |
| 18:00.06 | abrotman | _Sam--: there's a song called 'danville girl' .. pretty old .. the VA was the town thoguh |
| 18:00.07 | dan2 | sounds interesting |
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| 18:00.37 | dan2 | abrotman: you want to open up a buffalo wild wings in exton? |
| 18:00.40 | abrotman | dock boggs or something |
| 18:00.49 | abrotman | dan2: please do .. or a quaker steak and lube |
| 18:00.56 | lontra | are there currently security updates to testing or did that stop once etch was released? |
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| 18:01.08 | amee2k | very funny... |
| 18:01.14 | dan2 | abrotman: I've eaten at every restaurant in exton for lunch |
| 18:01.34 | _Sam-- | i dont live far from exton -- wilmington DE |
| 18:01.46 | dan2 | _Sam--: that's like a 40 minute drive |
| 18:01.54 | _Sam-- | 35 on a motorcycle on back roadS? |
| 18:02.02 | irwiss | abrotman, themill; Bad timing for my question, I'm off for home, thanks for your replies |
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| 18:02.28 | dan2 | _Sam--: you'll spend 25 minutes at exton stop lights, backroads or not |
| 18:02.29 | dan2 | _Sam--: and you still have to hit 202 |
| 18:02.36 | _Sam-- | i was just up in coatesville this weekend doing some riding in and around 841/842/926/100 |
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| 18:02.53 | dan2 | hmm |
| 18:02.56 | _Sam-- | if you're crafty, you just cross 202 one time on 926 |
| 18:03.30 | dan2 | well, coatesville is way out of the way of exton |
| 18:03.40 | dan2 | 202 to 30 is the fastest way to get to Exton |
| 18:04.00 | abrotman | dan2: it'd be a great way for you to make money |
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| 18:04.09 | dan2 | abrotman: I know |
| 18:04.12 | dan2 | abrotman: and I love hot wings |
| 18:04.13 | abrotman | so do it! |
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| 18:04.21 | abrotman | we've not nothing fro wings around here |
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| 18:04.28 | dan2 | I'm aware |
| 18:04.44 | dan2 | shogunx: how are ya scott? |
| 18:04.47 | marcuss | how do you chat over ssh |
| 18:04.52 | dan2 | talk |
| 18:04.53 | abrotman | chat with who ? |
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| 18:04.54 | dan2 | `talk' |
| 18:05.03 | marcuss | over ssh |
| 18:05.07 | abrotman | with who?! |
| 18:05.11 | marcuss | a user |
| 18:05.12 | marcuss | LOL |
| 18:05.12 | sandun | hi I need a help in linux |
| 18:05.23 | dan2 | you need a help eh? |
| 18:05.25 | abrotman | marcuss: on your system? talk or write |
| 18:05.25 | lontra | !ask |
| 18:05.25 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 18:05.34 | shogunx | dan2 pretty good. you? |
| 18:05.40 | dan2 | shogunx: good |
| 18:05.43 | stew | marcuss: apt-cache show talk ; man write |
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| 18:06.06 | dan2 | shogunx: finished a mini implementation of rtp streaming fs for h.264/mulaw |
| 18:06.07 | sandun | I want to be a Linux C\C++ Programmer .How to start ? |
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| 18:06.34 | lontra | sad |
| 18:06.44 | subx | resolution: 100x100 dots per inch arghghghg it wont go away |
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| 18:07.03 | shogunx | dan2 cool. where is it? |
| 18:07.05 | abrotman | dan2: seriously .. i've been asking someone to open a b-dubs for freaking years in KoP ... it'd make a killing |
| 18:07.21 | dan2 | shogunx: on my box |
| 18:07.29 | abrotman | though a quaker steak might do better |
| 18:07.34 | dan2 | abrotman: you consider doing it yourself? |
| 18:07.41 | xingu | abrotman: make the damn things yourself |
| 18:07.42 | shogunx | abrotman two parties ssh'd into a box doing a talk session is one of the most secure chats you will get. |
| 18:07.54 | _Sam-- | anyone who has a desire to work in and around any food related endeavor is less sane than outwardly apparent. |
| 18:08.05 | _Sam-- | its the worst of the worst |
| 18:08.07 | sandun | help me to read the source codes in linux . where to start |
| 18:08.11 | dan2 | _Sam--: so that makes employees sane? I think not. |
| 18:08.12 | xingu | _Sam--: unless it involves beer and hookers too |
| 18:08.42 | lontra | sandun: try google |
| 18:08.52 | lontra | sandun: google for a how-to |
| 18:08.57 | sandun | keywords please I try earlear |
| 18:09.06 | abrotman | dan2: uhm .. i'm a little short on cash :) |
| 18:09.08 | xingu | beer and hookers... he doesn't want b-dubs, he wants hooters |
| 18:09.09 | dan2 | abrotman: nope, bww would do well if it had really hot waitresses |
| 18:09.22 | abrotman | shogunx: except it still goes out over the tcp i think .. |
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| 18:09.36 | dan2 | abrotman: no worry, there's an unlimited supply of cash |
| 18:09.37 | abrotman | shogunx: not really a big deal .. but i used talk to remote systems |
| 18:09.44 | abrotman | dan2: for you maybe .. not me |
| 18:09.52 | dan2 | abrotman: you just have to find it |
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| 18:09.59 | abrotman | that's your job |
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| 18:10.38 | lontra | sandun: here's a start ... http://www.techbooksforfree.com/linux.shtml |
| 18:11.25 | moshii | spain is where you want to go if you're into whore houses.. they're everywhere |
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| 18:11.35 | sandun | well thre are lots of books no which one choose ? |
| 18:11.37 | dan2 | moshii: vegas is pretty good too |
| 18:12.18 | sandun | I want to be a kernel programmer . I know little about C++/C but I want to be more handsome on C and go to kernel Programming |
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| 18:12.24 | `mx | anyone having issues with security.debian.org? |
| 18:12.33 | shogunx | abrotman, i'm talking about a local talk session with both users connected via ssh to the host they are "talk"ing on. |
| 18:12.48 | themill | `mx: a couple of other questions today |
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| 18:13.44 | sandun | Is 'Linux Device Driver Programming' will help me ? I write a little module and attach it to the process but on RedHat linux I got an error |
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| 18:13.57 | sandun | I did it in Knoppix |
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| 18:14.13 | moshii | sandun: I'd read Modern Operating Systems first, the minux book |
| 18:14.16 | amee2k | what package contains an AC97 driver for ALSA? |
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| 18:14.28 | abrotman | shogunx: i know |
| 18:14.44 | sandun | I'm just reading Morden Operating systems by Andrew |
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| 18:15.24 | abrotman | amee2k: it's in the kernel already |
| 18:15.46 | sandun | I just on page 311 yet , can |
| 18:15.46 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 18:15.46 | moshii | sandun: there is a book called "Linux Kernel Internals" too |
| 18:15.46 | dpkg | alsa one-liner is, like, apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 18:15.56 | themill | `mx: actually -- having trouble with an update at present. so yes :) |
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| 18:16.30 | sandun | is a ebook ? |
| 18:16.34 | `mx | themill: just security.debian.org? they must be getting pounded. |
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| 18:16.53 | moshii | sandun: I think you can get it as an ebook.. but it's in print too |
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| 18:17.16 | sandun | oky dog-ebook site will help me . |
| 18:17.26 | sandun | yes there is that . But captial I |
| 18:17.33 | themill | `mx: it's on a dns round robbin (I think) and I gather it's just the one machine that's having trouble. At least that was the theory when others asked earlier today. |
| 18:17.42 | amee2k | abrotman: no. docs say since 2.6 but not on the 2.4 kernel. i checked. and it doesn't recognize my card which it should otherwise |
| 18:17.45 | omry | testing doesn't have a security update apt source? |
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| 18:18.11 | sandun | oky I will download that . |
| 18:18.14 | themill | !testing security |
| 18:18.15 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny. |
| 18:18.33 | themill | omry ^^^ |
| 18:18.34 | abrotman | amee2k: i have an ac97 .. the 2.6 kernel works fine |
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| 18:18.53 | patrick- | Hi, im having a problem |
| 18:18.58 | amee2k | maybe but with this box i'm stuck on 2.4 :S |
| 18:19.10 | abrotman | why? |
| 18:19.14 | amee2k | i'd use 2.6 if i could believe me |
| 18:19.25 | omry | themill, thanks. |
| 18:19.27 | amee2k | because it doesn't boot for some reason |
| 18:19.28 | patrick- | Hi, im having a problem. My umlauts seem broke |
| 18:19.29 | patrick- | :| |
| 18:19.39 | amee2k | just shows a black screen and sits there |
| 18:19.47 | pumpkin0 | patrick-: did they ever work ? |
| 18:19.49 | amee2k | i tried for days |
| 18:19.51 | patrick- | yupp they did |
| 18:19.56 | sandun | I think a one server has down |
| 18:19.59 | patrick- | before my dist-upgrade |
| 18:20.03 | pumpkin0 | patrick-: why did you change the locale-setting ? |
| 18:20.19 | DragonD | enouf: well.. i reseated everything, cpu, ram, vidcard, new thermal past on cpu cleaned heatsink. rearranged fans to allow more air flow. and checked all caps... so if it still freezes what are the other things? micro crack, and what else? |
| 18:20.25 | patrick- | im not sure |
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| 18:20.58 | amee2k | okay alsa-modules-2.4-386 seemingly did it |
| 18:21.19 | sandun | exit |
| 18:21.30 | DragonD | i just relized where this little piece of rubber went, vid card fan has a metal cover on it and it's noisy |
| 18:22.22 | sandun | how to quit from the channel |
| 18:22.40 | sandun | I was stucked . However thanks man I know what to do |
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| 18:23.20 | pumpkin0 | sandun: /quit |
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| 18:26.17 | marcuss | Hello ,How do you extract a tar.bz2 file :) ? |
| 18:26.33 | stew | marcuss: /msg dpkg tar |
| 18:26.46 | macmouse | tar -jxvf file.tar.bz2 |
| 18:27.34 | marcuss | tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
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| 18:27.43 | stew | marcuss: aptitude install bzip2 |
| 18:27.48 | marcuss | Okay ;) |
| 18:27.57 | jeward | aptitude: /lib/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6) |
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| 18:28.01 | jeward | ? |
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| 18:28.52 | jeward | Anyone know how I can fix the above error? |
| 18:28.53 | qrck | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:29.29 | qrck | portscans lol |
| 18:29.32 | ryanCH | would this be good? http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxoffice/ |
| 18:29.37 | qrck | stealthed |
| 18:29.43 | qrck | source type |
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| 18:30.44 | zapw | security.debian.org is down again? |
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| 18:30.52 | qrck | who'm can i report it ? |
| 18:31.32 | qrck | i should generate a bash script sending the ip's to a security monitor |
| 18:31.33 | Harpoiur | hi |
| 18:31.39 | sebdah | Harpoiur: hi |
| 18:32.02 | Harpoiur | I'm trying to add another hdd to an etch box and I have completely forgot how to mount it etc |
| 18:32.10 | Harpoiur | I have added it to fstab already |
| 18:32.20 | ricky | mount -a |
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| 18:33.35 | jeward | Can anyone help me resolve this: |
| 18:33.36 | jeward | jeward@kw54:~$ sudo aptitude update |
| 18:33.36 | jeward | aptitude: /lib/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6) |
| 18:33.41 | Harpoiur | btw,, when adding to fstab, how can I see what /dev/xxx is it? |
| 18:33.50 | Harpoiur | I guess its usually sdb |
| 18:35.02 | pumpkin0 | Harpoiur: SATA or IDE ? |
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| 18:35.36 | Harpoiur | oh yeah |
| 18:35.40 | Harpoiur | I gotta fdisk it |
| 18:36.01 | pumpkin0 | Harpoiur: keep thinking about formating it while you are in cfdisk... |
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| 18:37.49 | DragonD | linux general question:: how do i ssh to a computer(running debian) from this computer(running debian) start a process and have it keep running when i disconnect? |
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| 18:39.01 | abrotman | !tell cloakable about away |
| 18:39.56 | DragonD | !tell dragond about away |
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| 18:40.35 | ricky | DragonD: man nohup, or use screen |
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| 18:41.01 | DragonD | ricky: thanks |
| 18:41.17 | utopia_ | anybody have the addresse's of the icewesal developer's? ive $1 million in cash, & an assasin beside me |
| 18:41.32 | [meme] | HELP: does any one can tell me how can I convert a ISO8859-1 file into a UTF8? :-) |
| 18:41.49 | dondelelcaro | [meme]: use iconv -t utf8 -f iso8859-1 foo.txt >bar.txt |
| 18:41.57 | dondelelcaro | [meme]: man iconv; for details. |
| 18:42.21 | [meme] | thanks dondelelcaro!!! :-) |
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| 18:43.50 | azeem | utopia_: do you have a Debian question? |
| 18:45.13 | jeward | Can anyone help me with this: |
| 18:45.14 | jeward | jeward@kw54:~$ sudo aptitude update |
| 18:45.14 | jeward | aptitude: /lib/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6) |
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| 18:46.00 | azeem | jeward: which version of Debian? |
| 18:46.08 | pumpkin0 | jeward: can you upload your /etc/apt/soucres.conf onto a pasteriste? |
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| 18:46.24 | azeem | it's sources.list |
| 18:46.38 | jeward | azeem: Sarge, but I think it breifly had etch sources.list. |
| 18:46.55 | azeem | jeward: eh, gcc-4.2 built stuff is likely beyond unstable |
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| 18:47.09 | jeward | azeem: How do I fix this? |
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| 18:47.27 | azeem | jeward: what does `apt-cache policy aptitude' say? |
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| 18:50.11 | jeward | azeem: http://pastebin.ca/632267 |
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| 18:50.52 | azeem | ah |
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| 18:51.03 | jeward | azeem: We have our own mirror. |
| 18:51.05 | azeem | jeward: what does "dpkg -l libgcc1 | tail -1" say? |
| 18:51.34 | jeward | ii libgcc1 3.4.3-13sarge1 GCC support library |
| 18:52.33 | Harpoiur | weird,, df shows now that I have no /dev/sda and I have /dev/sdb in stead |
| 18:52.54 | magnet | jeward: can you run other apps than aptitude? |
| 18:53.11 | pumpkin0 | Harpoiur: what discs are installed ? IDE, SATA, USB-stick... ? |
| 18:53.13 | azeem | jeward: paste the output of "ldd /usr/bin/aptitude" |
| 18:53.20 | jeward | magnet: This is the first app we've noticed broken. |
| 18:53.27 | azeem | w18 |
| 18:53.28 | azeem | oops. |
| 18:53.44 | jeward | sudo ldd /usr/bin/aptitude |
| 18:53.45 | magnet | well that's a library problem |
| 18:53.46 | jeward | Ooops. |
| 18:53.46 | Harpoiur | pumpkin0: sata |
| 18:54.03 | azeem | jeward: you don't need sudo for that |
| 18:54.04 | pumpkin0 | Harpoiur: only one ? |
| 18:54.06 | Harpoiur | I partitioned the second hdd |
| 18:54.07 | Harpoiur | 2 |
| 18:54.12 | azeem | w11 |
| 18:54.14 | azeem | argh! |
| 18:54.16 | Harpoiur | with fdisk and wrote it |
| 18:54.26 | magnet | but gcc_s should be in your library path, and must be used by many other apps |
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| 18:54.30 | Harpoiur | for some reason my df shows now sdb instead sda |
| 18:54.35 | jeward | http://pastebin.ca/632273 |
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| 18:55.17 | jeward | magnet: Yes, it's a very strange error. |
| 18:55.28 | Harpoiur | any ideas on my case`? |
| 18:55.42 | azeem | jeward: and "dpkg -l libstdc++6 | tail -1" ? |
| 18:55.46 | pumpkin0 | Harpoiur: does the size match the 2. HD ? |
| 18:55.52 | magnet | jeward: if this happened without any input from you, your box has surely been compromised |
| 18:56.15 | magnet | since the package libgcc1 which has /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 is correctly installed |
| 18:56.42 | jeward | No packages found matching libstdc++6. |
| 18:56.47 | Harpoiur | pumpkin0: the sizes are the same, but the space consumed matches sda |
| 18:56.50 | Harpoiur | sdb is emphty |
| 18:57.06 | azeem | jeward: "ls -l /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6" |
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| 18:57.25 | abrotman | surely ? |
| 18:57.28 | pumpkin0 | Harpoiur: and "mount" still thinks sda is mounted ? |
| 18:57.37 | jeward | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Jun 14 03:09 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 -> libstdc++.so.6.0.8 |
| 18:57.45 | Harpoiur | fdisk -l shows that the sda is there |
| 18:57.52 | azeem | jeward: somebody installed it locally, huh? |
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| 18:58.18 | jeward | azeem: I believe the system may have had etch sources.list briefly, some months ago. |
| 18:58.35 | magnet | or more like there's a problem... who installs aptitude ignoring such a dependency :) |
| 18:58.39 | azeem | jeward: "dpkg -S /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6" |
| 18:59.05 | pumpkin0 | Harpoiur: i think you hit the wrong disc... but depending on the kernel sometimes new partitiontables are not noticed till next boot... |
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| 19:04.25 | *** topic/#debian is ETCH IS NOW STABLE: /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg sarge->etch ! Lenny is the new testing! | /msg dpkg lenny | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
| 19:04.26 | Harpoiur | ok, i gotta take the full clone of that disc |
| 19:04.30 | xand | (it's a diskless etch workstation) |
| 19:04.39 | Harpoiur | too bad it has over 20gb of data and I dont have direct access :> |
| 19:04.50 | jeward | Some things failed debsums, but none of them are aptitude. |
| 19:04.51 | Harpoiur | gotta transfer via web to another box |
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| 19:05.32 | pumpkin0 | jeward: get that box isolated and reinstall it from 0 using verifed, external sources.... |
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| 19:05.54 | Harpoiur | any ideas what's the simplest way of cloning a hdd in this case? just pack it up and wget it? |
| 19:05.54 | jeward | pumpkin0: Why? |
| 19:06.13 | spinx | i just installed debian on another box, and when it tries to install X.. it asks to upgrade glibc, i chose yes.. and it gives alot of errors on the install. |
| 19:06.22 | Kjikaqawej | subx: you can always edit your /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc -- -dpi 96 |
| 19:06.29 | pumpkin0 | jeward: debsums should not fail at all unless you do things outside apt or the box is hacked. |
| 19:06.43 | jeward | pumpkin0: Let me run it on another box. |
| 19:06.47 | Kjikaqawej | subx: you using a ?dm ? |
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| 19:07.16 | subx | im not sure what dm is |
| 19:07.29 | Kjikaqawej | gdm, xdm, etc. |
| 19:07.32 | subx | no im not |
| 19:07.46 | subx | i removed them, im just using the terminal to login what logs into fluxbox |
| 19:07.48 | Kjikaqawej | ok; so you won't have to do anything else |
| 19:08.03 | spinx | any ideas why when doing a fresh install of debian.. X fails to install with glibc |
| 19:08.04 | subx | ok thanks, ill take a look at that file :) |
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| 19:08.04 | jeward | pumpkin0: Could it not be due to having some etch programs installed? |
| 19:08.37 | Kjikaqawej | subx: that's the global file, it'll affect all x servers started on that machine |
| 19:08.47 | Harpoiur | was it with tar that I could pack it up? |
| 19:08.51 | subx | Kjikaqawej: thats the thing whats set to 100 :) |
| 19:09.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 820] by debhelper |
| 19:09.09 | pumpkin0 | jeward: debsum looks at the installed deb and the files on disk. If there is a mismatch it fails. No matter how you match and patch your system, it should not fail. |
| 19:09.17 | jeward | pumpkin0: Maybe I should just upgrade it to etch? |
| 19:09.18 | xand | Harpoiur: rsync over ssh? |
| 19:09.27 | Kai__ | i need the package libtermcap/libtermcap-dev. but it cant be found in any of the (default set of) repos, is there a repo out there that i should have? all of mine are "etch main" and, security is diff as "etch/updates main contrib" should i have something more? |
| 19:09.40 | pumpkin0 | Harpoiur: over network ? netcat... |
| 19:09.47 | jeward | pumpkin0: So you think it's been compromised? |
| 19:10.01 | jeward | pumpkin0: Any way I can be more sure? |
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| 19:10.14 | Kjikaqawej | subx: yeh; mine i set to 75... (should be set to 85 here). xserver does best with 75 or 100, due to the distributed fonts and a couple of other reasons (i can't remember them right now ;) |
| 19:10.16 | Harpoiur | xand: that was my idea |
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| 19:10.36 | Kjikaqawej | crap, that server still hasn't come up :/ |
| 19:10.46 | Harpoiur | xand: but would it be wiser first to pack the whole hdd and then rsync it or rsync it as that? |
| 19:10.57 | subx | thank you, that worked! Kjikaqawej :D |
| 19:11.03 | Kjikaqawej | np |
| 19:11.03 | Harpoiur | packing 20gb might take a bit too long though ... |
| 19:11.04 | pumpkin0 | jeward: check other installs at the same side. Maybe the local mirror has been modified in a strange way. |
| 19:11.05 | subx | im one step closer to nice fonts |
| 19:11.08 | xand | Harpoiur: how fast is your connection? |
| 19:11.20 | Harpoiur | 100mbit on both ends |
| 19:11.31 | jeward | pumpkin0: Same side? I looked at another box and debsums works fine, but it never had etch sources. |
| 19:11.36 | pumpkin0 | Harpoiur: get coffe. |
| 19:11.39 | Hash_Borger | Kjikaqawej: ey |
| 19:11.41 | Harpoiur | lol |
| 19:11.49 | Hash_Borger | coffee |
| 19:11.52 | Kjikaqawej | Hash_Borger: hellows |
| 19:11.58 | aswp | yo |
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| 19:12.30 | Hash_Borger | Kjikaqawej: my birthname |
| 19:13.10 | Kjikaqawej | "Borger"? |
| 19:13.16 | Hash_Borger | yes |
| 19:13.22 | Kjikaqawej | cool |
| 19:13.34 | Hash_Borger | its H with the two dots on it |
| 19:13.39 | Hash_Borger | I dunno how to do it |
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| 19:13.46 | Hash_Borger | er,..a in Hash with two dots on it |
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| 19:14.10 | subx | heres some interesting information: Windows (clear type) and Mac OS fonts will always look better than Linux fonts when a LCD has less than 96 dpi. When the dpi is 96 or greater, Linux fonts can look as good as or better than Windows or Mac OS . |
| 19:14.10 | Kjikaqawej | umlaut? |
| 19:14.20 | Kjikaqawej | ḧ |
| 19:14.20 | Hash_Borger | upgrading done. |
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| 19:14.22 | CharminTheMoose | where can I find where my icons are kept? |
| 19:14.26 | Hash_Borger | time to load the new kernel |
| 19:14.30 | Kjikaqawej | like that? ^^^ |
| 19:14.30 | aswp | tell me |
| 19:14.31 | oc3d | hello, I am having quite a lot of trouble trying to start an install with debootstrap from a ubuntu live CD in my laptop |
| 19:14.34 | Hash_Borger | in /usr/share/icons |
| 19:14.42 | Hash_Borger | or /usr/share/pixmaps/icons |
| 19:14.43 | Hash_Borger | ? |
| 19:14.48 | Hash_Borger | or... ~/.icons |
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| 19:15.06 | Hash_Borger | !icons |
| 19:15.06 | dpkg | icons are findable at http://art.gnome.org/. On your filesystem they live in /usr/share/icons |
| 19:15.26 | pumpkin0 | oc3d: why are you using a ubuntu CD to install debian ? |
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| 19:15.36 | oc3d | Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/debinst mount -t proc proc /proc |
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| 19:15.51 | beh | does anyone know if debian can run on a powerbook 1400c? |
| 19:15.58 | oc3d | well, I have no way of starting the install from win2k3 .... i think |
| 19:16.02 | stoned | hmm |
| 19:16.10 | stoned | you have wait what |
| 19:16.13 | Kjikaqawej | beh: is that a m68k box? |
| 19:16.16 | stoned | beh: yes, I have a 3400c |
| 19:16.22 | pumpkin0 | oc3d: why don't you use a debian-CD to install debian ? |
| 19:16.36 | beh | Kjikaqawej: I'm not sure what m68k is |
| 19:16.38 | stoned | beh: openfirmware CANNOT boot on those machines anything but OS from HDD or from original mac os 8 cds |
| 19:16.38 | oc3d | I have no blank media at the office right now |
| 19:16.45 | Kai__ | i need termcap-compat, but its not in my repos, what do i need to add? |
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| 19:16.53 | stoned | beh: you can load the debian installer through a mac os 8 control panel applet |
| 19:17.00 | Kjikaqawej | beh: debian has 11 arches it can run on almost anything |
| 19:17.01 | stoned | beh: I can't recall the name, its been ages, but google for it |
| 19:17.08 | Kjikaqawej | bootx |
| 19:17.12 | stoned | is that it? |
| 19:17.13 | pumpkin0 | oc3d: is thet /mnt/debinst/proc |
| 19:17.17 | beh | stoned: alright thanks |
| 19:17.17 | stoned | probably bootx |
| 19:17.21 | beh | ok |
| 19:17.28 | pumpkin0 | oc3d: sorry. is the file /mnt/debinst/proc there |
| 19:17.29 | Kjikaqawej | yeh bootx |
| 19:17.34 | hark | Kai__: oldstable or check p.d.o |
| 19:17.37 | Kjikaqawej | i boot my beige like that |
| 19:17.39 | stoned | Kjikaqawej: oh you said it |
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| 19:17.47 | oc3d | yes! |
| 19:17.51 | Kai__ | brb. just heard a crash |
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| 19:18.09 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 19:18.18 | stoned | look outside |
| 19:18.25 | pumpkin0 | oc3d: what is the exact error-msg ? |
| 19:18.28 | xand | GRRR |
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| 19:19.16 | hyper_ch | hiho, I need some advice on how to achieve that: I have two nics connecting to different networks... however one is pretty much restricted but incredibly fast... how can I assign now that some applicatiosn (e.g. firefox, konversation, ssh, d4x, ....) only use one specific nic. E.g. firefox exclusively nic1 and konversation exclusively nic2? any idea? |
| 19:19.20 | marcuss | Hello , Where is httpd.conf usualy located? |
| 19:19.37 | danstah | hey guys i am trying to install debian etch in vmware and i cannot seem to get the damn thing to work... is there anyone who has done this |
| 19:19.56 | Fox_1_ | marcuss, /etc/apache/ or /etc/apache2 or /etc/httpd |
| 19:20.08 | oc3d | # /usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch amd64 etch /mnt/debinst http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 19:20.29 | oc3d | I: Extracting zlib1g... |
| 19:20.29 | oc3d | W: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/debinst mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 19:21.00 | marcuss | Fox_1_ : not there :/ |
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| 19:21.19 | Fox_1_ | marcuss, how did you install apache? |
| 19:21.20 | pumpkin0 | marcuss: find -iname "httpd*" /etc |
| 19:21.33 | oc3d | I read somewhere that adding --include=dmsetup,libdevmapper1.02 will solve the prob |
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| 19:21.40 | oc3d | I tried with no avail |
| 19:21.45 | nataku_ | hey all |
| 19:22.02 | pumpkin0 | oc3d: i guess you will need the debian-install CD. (did you try the 32bit install ?) |
| 19:22.05 | nataku_ | I just compiled a new kernel, and after rebooting into it a bunch of my modules are broken |
| 19:22.08 | stew | marcuss: are you using apache or apache2? |
| 19:22.14 | marcuss | apache |
| 19:22.17 | marcuss | 1.3 :D |
| 19:22.21 | sanelson | Is there a way to get svn to accept an ssl certificate non-interactively? I want to automate a checkout on a new machine as part of a post install deployment script. |
| 19:22.21 | stew | marcuss: /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 19:22.44 | pkempgen | "apt-get update" spits out warning messages like: failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/Release.gpg, could not resolve "w2k-scm-mk-2" |
| 19:22.58 | pkempgen | shouldn't it say something like: could not resolve "security.debian.org"? |
| 19:23.08 | pkempgen | btw nslookup security.debian.org works fine |
| 19:23.21 | pkempgen | so what is "w2k-scm-mk-2"? |
| 19:23.25 | oc3d | pumpkin0: I did :) |
| 19:23.28 | oc3d | I: Installing core packages... |
| 19:23.28 | oc3d | W: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/debinst dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_4_i386.deb var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.11_i386.deb |
| 19:23.30 | Harpoiur | hmmh.. it's a lot nicer to tar everything up |
| 19:23.35 | Harpoiur | damn it will take time :D |
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| 19:24.06 | Harpoiur | tar -cvf file.tar / looks ok for everyone in this matter? |
| 19:24.29 | oc3d | what could be going on? |
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| 19:24.31 | Harpoiur | its not a secret rm -r command etc :> |
| 19:25.47 | dondelelcaro | oc3d: which debootstrap are you using? |
| 19:25.59 | oc3d | hmm.. 1min |
| 19:26.03 | oc3d | june's |
| 19:26.06 | oc3d | i htink |
| 19:26.11 | oc3d | hold up |
| 19:26.27 | dkr | Harpoiur: you should use the -p option also to preserver permissions of the files |
| 19:26.39 | oc3d | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap-udeb_1.0.0_amd64.udeb |
| 19:27.03 | Harpoiur | dkr: aint that already in it? |
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| 19:27.11 | tehtechman | Is anyone else have a problem getting an address from the DHCP server in the 4.0r0 install disk? My DHCP server is recieving a request and sending out an address but getting to response in return. |
| 19:27.13 | Harpoiur | I thought at least the ownerships were right? |
| 19:27.15 | oc3d | i was in doubt as to which I should use :( |
| 19:27.23 | dondelelcaro | oc3d: uh... why are you using the udeb debootstrap? |
| 19:27.35 | dondelelcaro | oc3d: you should be using the one you get when you aptitude install debootstrap |
| 19:27.38 | tehtechman | *not getting a responce |
| 19:27.40 | Harpoiur | i mean the ownerships are automaticly preserved |
| 19:27.45 | oc3d | don: because I had no idea what to download :D it was the newest version |
| 19:28.07 | oc3d | from the pool |
| 19:28.32 | Fox_1_ | which DVD player batter? |
| 19:28.34 | oc3d | I am following the procedures described in: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en |
| 19:28.34 | dondelelcaro | oc3d: why are you downloading it directly from the pool instead of using apt-get? |
| 19:29.08 | oc3d | because i am loaded on a ubuntu live cd |
| 19:29.32 | dondelelcaro | oc3d: the ubuntu live cd should have debootstrap on it |
| 19:29.38 | dondelelcaro | (well, in theory anyway) |
| 19:29.43 | pkempgen | when apt-get fails to fetch something (http://<hostname>/whatever) because of dns problems it should normally say "could not resolve <hostname>", right? |
| 19:30.18 | tehtechman | i get an address under Knoppix and DSL, but for some reason the Debian 4.0r0 install CD cant get an address. Manual config of an address doesn't get me anywhere. |
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| 19:30.51 | Harpoiur | is there a way to see information about the data transfer when rsyncing? |
| 19:30.57 | Harpoiur | speed, estimated time etc? |
| 19:31.00 | dondelelcaro | Harpoiur: use --progress |
| 19:31.02 | dondelelcaro | Harpoiur: man rsync |
| 19:31.22 | dondelelcaro | tehtechman: is it using the right interface? Did the interface link up? |
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| 19:32.22 | tehtechman | the interface is correct... a tcpdump on the dhcp server shows its getting a request, and the server is sending an ipv4 address |
| 19:32.25 | spinx | how you get the screen that you select what software to install, desktop, mail, dns.. back up on debian |
| 19:32.30 | Harpoiur | -P |
| 19:32.36 | Harpoiur | rsync -P |
| 19:32.51 | danstah | is there no one on here who has gotten debian to work on vmware |
| 19:32.55 | dondelelcaro | -P is slightly different from --progress. |
| 19:33.13 | dondelelcaro | danstah: someone here probably has, but they wont answer if you don't ask your question |
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| 19:33.42 | pkempgen | is my question too silly or not polite enough? do i need to read some #debian guidelines before asking? if so then please point me to some url. |
| 19:33.52 | oc3d | don: I think by following the procedures on the "installing Debian forom unix system" you end up extracting the debootstrap into the native file system? |
| 19:34.07 | oc3d | # ar -x debootstrap_0.X.X_all.deb # cd / # zcat /full-path-to-work/work/data.tar.gz | tar xv |
| 19:34.16 | Kjikaqawej | there's a flag for that |
| 19:34.16 | Kjikaqawej | effing irssi.... i love the app, but i hate these effing lockups |
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| 19:34.28 | danstah | i cannot get it to install on vmware... when it looks for the debian repos's in the install it cannot find them... i am wondering if using linux kernel 2.6.x is the proper setting |
| 19:34.35 | Zap-W | anyone here using openoffice backport from backports.org |
| 19:34.35 | dondelelcaro | oc3d: yes, but that's not necessarily needed, especially when you've got ubuntu which has a debootstrap already on them |
| 19:34.47 | Zap-W | how do you fix the fonts in the menu |
| 19:34.54 | dondelelcaro | danstah: the repository on the cd? or the remote ones? |
| 19:35.09 | oc3d | don: how should I proceed? reboot and use the ubuntus debootstrap? |
| 19:35.27 | dondelelcaro | oc3d: or use the .deb, not the .udeb, yes. |
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| 19:35.48 | oc3d | don: okie, utm! |
| 19:35.52 | danstah | its a netinstall |
| 19:36.03 | dondelelcaro | oc3d: my nick is dondelelcaro, though, not don. |
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| 19:36.17 | spinx | base-config doesnt work on my box |
| 19:36.18 | dondelelcaro | danstah: if it's not seeing the remote ones, then the network isn't working. |
| 19:36.41 | oc3d | dondelelcaro: sorry |
| 19:37.09 | oc3d | dondelelcaro: theres no .deb with amd64 on the pool tho |
| 19:37.20 | danstah | right... which i guess is my problem |
| 19:37.26 | dondelelcaro | oc3d: it's _all.deb |
| 19:37.56 | oc3d | ok thanks |
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| 19:41.14 | danstah | so is bridging the connection the wrong way |
| 19:41.19 | danstah | i have ubuntu working |
| 19:41.27 | danstah | and thats connecting to the net |
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| 19:43.15 | tehtechman | okay... heres a tcpdump from my DHCP server when i try to get an address from it... http://paste.debian.net/33336 |
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| 19:45.44 | tehtechman | so no idea from anyone? |
| 19:46.35 | dondelelcaro | tehtechman: uh... that's a request and a reply to an existing address, not a DISCOVER,OFFER,REQUEST,ACK |
| 19:46.59 | dondelelcaro | tehtechman: so if that's all you're seeing, it doesn't look like it's actually getting an address |
| 19:47.50 | dondelelcaro | tehtechman: you'll have better luck if you use -X with a large snaplen and only get stuff with src or dst bootpc or bootps |
| 19:48.34 | zicho | is there anyway to make a script that locates all the filenames that includes the word "cat" and ends with ".png"? |
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| 19:48.39 | danstah | should i chose a different version to make the virtual machine with? like instead of linux kernel 2.6.x like ubuntu or something |
| 19:48.47 | dondelelcaro | zicho: yes; man find |
| 19:48.48 | dkr | zicho: use locate |
| 19:48.58 | tehtechman | dondelelcaro: I agree its not getting an address. But... my dnsmasq says that it gave 0.17 to the MAC that matches the computer im trying to install on |
| 19:49.00 | zicho | dkr: yes but how? |
| 19:49.28 | dkr | zicho: locate -r "cat.*\.png$" |
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| 19:49.39 | dkr | regex, ftw |
| 19:50.00 | piztek | are gtk engines the button designs, and can they be drug into the themes window to be installed? |
| 19:50.01 | dondelelcaro | tehtechman: in order for it to give an address, the machine has to actually get it; you would have seen the dhcp discover/offer, etc. |
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| 19:50.13 | dondelelcaro | tehtechman: what may be there is just a pre-existing lease. |
| 19:50.22 | RockerServer | how can i set ntp/ntpd as a service? |
| 19:50.28 | zicho | dkr: ty |
| 19:51.05 | roxy_ | I am having trouble exporting to svg with utf8 encoding from xfig format. What other app than xfig and dia can I use to draw diagram ? |
| 19:51.13 | tehtechman | dondelelcaro: Would that explain why it would work under DSL and Knoppix but not Debain? 1 sec... lemme try something |
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| 19:52.41 | dondelelcaro | tehtechman: there's not enough data yet for me to say |
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| 19:54.15 | RockerServer | how do i set ntpd as a service? |
| 19:54.25 | dondelelcaro | RockerServer: it's always a service. |
| 19:54.48 | RockerServer | dondelelcaro, so once it's installed it's a service? |
| 19:55.06 | jetscreamer | the d gives it away |
| 19:55.12 | jetscreamer | daemon |
| 19:55.22 | RockerServer | ok |
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| 20:00.30 | tehtechman | dondelelcaro: thanks for taking an interest... ok. heres my updated paste from the DSL CD http://paste.debian.net/33337 |
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| 20:03.40 | oc3d | dondelelcaro: Ubuntus debootstrap outputs the same error: W: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/debinst mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 20:04.07 | dondelelcaro | oc3d: that's a different error, actually. |
| 20:04.22 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a Linux program that takes a avi file, looks at its size/aspect ratio and convert it to iPod/MP4? |
| 20:04.23 | oc3d | dondelelcaro: ow, u right |
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| 20:05.16 | dondelelcaro | tehtechman: that's only the latter half, though. In any event, if the upper paste is actually the Debian install, then it got an address. |
| 20:05.27 | dondelelcaro | tehtechman: drop to a console and see what ifconfig says |
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| 20:05.58 | oc3d | dondelelcaro: debootstrap keeps logs? |
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| 20:06.30 | dondelelcaro | oc3d: not really; in any event, you want to see why the mount is failing |
| 20:06.43 | benjamindees | HardDisk_WP, transcode can probably do that |
| 20:06.44 | dondelelcaro | oc3d: since it should be possible to mount -t proc proc /proc inside the chroot |
| 20:06.49 | tehtechman | dondelelcaro: the ifconfig says that iface is up but has no address associated. wierd i know |
| 20:07.07 | dondelelcaro | tehtechman: well, run dhclient manually on the interface. |
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| 20:07.18 | dim | hi ppl |
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| 20:07.38 | xeihin | guys how can I know |
| 20:07.39 | dondelelcaro | tehtechman: or look at the logs on console 4, where it should tell you whether the DHCPDISCOVER/REQUEST were acked or not. |
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| 20:07.46 | xeihin | what demons are running in my server? |
| 20:07.48 | dim | i'm having some troubles with m-a a-i nvidia with kernels >2.6.18, Invalid module format |
| 20:07.53 | Innatech | what do I lose if I run in -noapic mode ? |
| 20:07.54 | xeihin | and where are this binarys? |
| 20:08.02 | dim | any help / known workarround? |
| 20:08.04 | keith4 | xeihin: sounds like you need an exorcism |
| 20:08.06 | tehtechman | dondelelcaro: did that already... just keeps trying a DHCPDISCOVER and eventually times out... 1 sec... lemme boot into the install cd again. its a really old computer |
| 20:08.10 | dondelelcaro | xeihin: ps axfu; netstat -plunt; |
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| 20:08.32 | dondelelcaro | tehtechman: well, if it's just sending a DHCPDISCOVER, then your tcpdump logs don't match up with reality. |
| 20:08.37 | HardDisk_WP | benjamindees, thanks, will try it |
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| 20:08.55 | twobitsp1ite | what package provides nslookup? |
| 20:08.56 | xand | abrotman: i fixed it! |
| 20:09.06 | abrotman | xand: you went rowing ? |
| 20:09.11 | keith4 | twobitsp1ite: don't use nslookup |
| 20:09.14 | xand | twobitsp1ite: dnsutils: |
| 20:09.14 | keith4 | use dig and host |
| 20:09.18 | tehtechman | dondelelcaro: i know. thats what so wierd about it |
| 20:09.19 | xand | nothing wrong with nslookup :o |
| 20:09.26 | keith4 | fine |
| 20:09.28 | twobitsp1ite | keith4: why not? |
| 20:09.30 | keith4 | 'host' provies nslookup |
| 20:09.44 | xand | abrotman: no, I re-ran mkinitramfs on the diskless machine |
| 20:09.46 | oc3d | W: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/debinst mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 20:09.46 | oc3d | root@ubuntu:/# chroot /mnt/debinst mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 20:09.46 | oc3d | chroot: cannot run command `mount': Exec format error |
| 20:09.47 | xand | keith4: notquite |
| 20:09.50 | xand | oc3d: dont paste |
| 20:09.55 | blubberdiblub | dim: does it complain about paravirt_ops somewhere? then recompiling the kernel with CONFIG_PARAVIRT set to n might help |
| 20:10.03 | oc3d | xand: sorry |
| 20:10.06 | dondelelcaro | oc3d: you're trying to install amd64 from an i386 live cd. |
| 20:10.10 | dondelelcaro | oc3d: it's not going to work. |
| 20:10.13 | dim | blubberdiblub: i didn't notice that |
| 20:10.29 | dondelelcaro | oc3d: you need to boot using an amd64 live cd, or using the d-i installer. |
| 20:10.40 | dondelelcaro | oc3d: or, install the i386 version of Debian. |
| 20:10.43 | dim | i'm seeing things about legacy driver version, how do I know if I need some older driver revision, and how do I tell this to m-a? |
| 20:10.52 | oc3d | dondelelcaro: what is the d-i installer? |
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| 20:11.07 | keith4 | i could've sworn i had mkfs.vfat last week... where did it go? |
| 20:11.14 | dondelelcaro | !d-i |
| 20:11.14 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 20:11.15 | Innatech | I'm getting APIC related kernel panics trying to install to a dual core Opteron server. What will I lose if I use noapic? |
| 20:11.29 | dondelelcaro | Innatech: not much on a server |
| 20:11.47 | Innatech | dondelelcaro: won't interfere with 3ware raid card, networking, etc? |
| 20:11.52 | blubberdiblub | dim: well, check out the /usr/share/doc/nvidia-whatever directory for the readme. that should list, which of the packages supports your particular nvidia board |
| 20:12.17 | xand | abrotman: I'm not doing rowing until my friends move their stuff out of my loung |
| 20:12.17 | dondelelcaro | Innatech: not in my experience |
| 20:12.18 | xand | e |
| 20:12.25 | Innatech | dondelcaro: thanks. |
| 20:12.28 | xand | abrotman: there's room but it's an excuse not to do it :| |
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| 20:14.07 | oc3d | dondelelcaro: is it trivial to switch to amd64 after installing i386? |
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| 20:15.40 | keith4 | oc3d: you can't do that |
| 20:16.05 | keith4 | that's like asking if you can fill your tank with deisel just to drive to the gas station to get unleaded |
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| 20:16.34 | en1gma | sup all |
| 20:16.44 | Harpoiur | its not possible to rsync the folder /etc to another server? |
| 20:16.46 | abrotman | xand: how'd you make it work ? |
| 20:16.47 | oc3d | any recomends on an usb install? |
| 20:16.54 | en1gma | can ifconfig display gateway and dns info like ipconfig does in windows |
| 20:16.57 | oc3d | links? |
| 20:16.59 | Supaplex | Harpoiur: it's very possible. if that's what you want. |
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| 20:17.10 | Harpoiur | Supaplex: it skips it |
| 20:17.18 | tehtechman | dondelelcaro: okay... terminal 4 states that "No DHCPOFFERS recieved." |
| 20:17.29 | xand | mkinitramfs on the machine that's diskless (after booting it from harddisk), then copying that initrd.img to the tftp server... i was using one generated on the server before |
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| 20:17.40 | blackes1 | can i ask a basic question in here |
| 20:17.48 | en1gma | i would like to see the dns server like ipconfig does in windows so i can use them in the domain name servers file |
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| 20:18.06 | Supaplex | Harpoiur: then start asking why rsync skips it. what's the command line you're using it? |
| 20:18.18 | twobitsp1ite | !ask |
| 20:18.18 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 20:18.25 | en1gma | ive asked like 3 questions and no one answered it yet |
| 20:18.31 | en1gma | and its the same question |
| 20:18.35 | Harpoiur | rsync -P -e ssh xxxxx:/etc /folder |
| 20:18.51 | twobitsp1ite | en1gma: read the last part of that |
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| 20:18.53 | Harpoiur | rsync -P -p -e ssh xxxxx:/etc /folder |
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| 20:19.02 | tehtechman | dondelelcaro: both eth0 and eth1 give the same thing. except dnsmasq gave 0.17 to eth0 and 0.10 to eth1 |
| 20:19.08 | blackes1 | i have a program zoneminder which runs automatically how do i find what user it runs as? |
| 20:19.18 | abrotman | ps aux ? |
| 20:19.32 | en1gma | how do we list the dns servers from the command prompt |
| 20:19.42 | en1gma | why dont ifconfig list em |
| 20:19.43 | themill | en1gma: ifconfig only deals with the interface which has nothing to do with dns. /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:19.45 | xand | cat /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 20:19.49 | abrotman | we would already know them .. you'd cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:19.49 | xand | en1gma ^ |
| 20:19.52 | en1gma | k |
| 20:20.04 | Harpoiur | Supaplex: find any oddities in that command line? |
| 20:20.19 | en1gma | well it would be nice if there was a command that would display all info needed to setup a static ip |
| 20:20.30 | abrotman | man interfaces ? |
| 20:20.38 | en1gma | did that |
| 20:20.45 | en1gma | and man ifconfig |
| 20:20.53 | en1gma | and man dhclient |
| 20:21.13 | Supaplex | debian uses ssh by default. but yes, I think you want box:/etc/ /folder/ - study the man page carefully :) |
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| 20:21.26 | en1gma | and why why why is it that in ever and i mean EVERY network-admin tool i see is useless |
| 20:21.32 | en1gma | i mean why do they even put that in |
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| 20:22.06 | Harpoiur | afgh |
| 20:22.14 | Supaplex | en1gma: because you are the tool. man 5 interfaces is pretty clear. are you having issues with a text editor? |
| 20:22.21 | Harpoiur | it wasnt as simple as i thought |
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| 20:22.28 | benjamindees | shorewall was pretty nice |
| 20:22.43 | en1gma | Supaplex just tell me cause every gui app is fubared would be better |
| 20:22.47 | Harpoiur | Supaplex: do you know the answer straight away? |
| 20:22.54 | en1gma | if you read up you would see that i man interfaces already |
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| 20:23.05 | en1gma | you do realize im talking on the net right now right? |
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| 20:23.25 | stew | en1gma: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:23.30 | abrotman | en1gma: then what info do you want? |
| 20:23.33 | en1gma | if we have to do everything from the cli why do we even have an X desktop |
| 20:23.35 | Supaplex | Harpoiur: rsync treats /etc and /etc/ different. |
| 20:23.44 | themill | en1gma: please ask questions here. If you don't think something works properly then either file a bug or (better) fix it and send a patch. |
| 20:23.46 | xeihin | guys I have two apaches installed but I use only one, how can I know where is the not used apache to delete it? |
| 20:23.47 | twobitsp1ite | en1gma: to run multiple xterms :P |
| 20:23.51 | en1gma | :) |
| 20:24.07 | abrotman | twobitsp1ite: wouldn't it be easier to run screen in an xterm? |
| 20:24.07 | twobitsp1ite | en1gma: have you read "The UNIX Haters Handbook" yet? |
| 20:24.18 | Harpoiur | Supaplex: it skips however you type it |
| 20:24.28 | en1gma | im not a hater of unix/linux you can see im using it right now if you version me |
| 20:24.30 | twobitsp1ite | abrotman: the screen splitting functionality in Gnu Screen is a bit awkward... |
| 20:24.48 | en1gma | im saying how does those network-admin gui apps make it into the distro when they are garbage |
| 20:24.51 | xeihin | guys I have two apaches installed but I use only one, how can I know where is the not used apache to delete it? |
| 20:25.02 | twobitsp1ite | en1gma: I'm not saying you are... the UHH is just a funny crack on some of the idiosyncracies of UNIX |
| 20:25.08 | abrotman | twobitsp1ite: you can sit with en1gma over in the whiner's corner :) |
| 20:25.16 | themill | xeihin: what do you mean two apaches installed? |
| 20:25.20 | Supaplex | Harpoiur: try rsync -avP box:/etc/ /folder/ |
| 20:25.23 | benjamindees | en1gma, lots of garbage apps make their way into debian |
| 20:25.26 | themill | xeihin: two servers configured? |
| 20:25.28 | twobitsp1ite | abrotman: hey, I'm not whining, I'm just conversing |
| 20:25.36 | en1gma | hey im not saying this distro is the only one...im saying with every distro ive never seen one that worked |
| 20:25.37 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:25.39 | en1gma | lol its sad |
| 20:25.47 | Harpoiur | lemme check what the -a does |
| 20:25.49 | themill | xeihin: (I mean virtual servers) |
| 20:25.50 | xeihin | one server running one not running two config files etc etc |
| 20:25.53 | abrotman | en1gma: now you have your chance .. sieze the opportunity! |
| 20:25.56 | xeihin | no virtual servers |
| 20:26.01 | Harpoiur | archive mode? |
| 20:26.03 | stew | en1gma: what application are you having trouble with? |
| 20:26.16 | stew | en1gma: or what application is in debian that you don't think should be in debian? |
| 20:26.19 | themill | xeihin: you mean apache1.3 and apache2 both installed together on the same box? |
| 20:26.19 | Supaplex | en1gma: oh, they have gui aps for that? what'd I miss in the last six years? |
| 20:26.23 | en1gma | well nothing really...its just more difficult then what it should be |
| 20:26.27 | xeihin | no themill |
| 20:26.33 | xeihin | I mean apache 2 and apache 2 |
| 20:26.40 | xeihin | installed at the both |
| 20:26.49 | themill | xeihin: how have you got it installed twice? |
| 20:27.00 | stew | en1gma: do you have a question that you are trying to get answered? or are you just here to complain? you are making it difficult for us to help you. |
| 20:27.20 | en1gma | stew i did ask what was the command to list the dns servers in use |
| 20:27.27 | en1gma | i got the answer it was a cat command |
| 20:27.30 | stew | en1gma: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:27.31 | Supaplex | en1gma: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:27.40 | abrotman | he was already told a few times |
| 20:27.41 | en1gma | :P |
| 20:27.54 | stew | en1gma: is there anything else then? |
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| 20:27.57 | xeihin | themill I don't know but when I join this job I saw that we have two apaches servers installed one running one its just there |
| 20:28.00 | Harpoiur | Supaplex: the -a option does not delete the files from the host server does it? |
| 20:28.07 | en1gma | yes one more thing but i forgot gimmie sec to rem |
| 20:28.14 | Supaplex | en1gma: if you perfer man resolv.conf :) |
| 20:28.22 | en1gma | oh i rem |
| 20:28.26 | themill | xeihin: lucky you... cleaning up other's mess |
| 20:28.28 | xeihin | themill I need to delete one |
| 20:28.34 | s0n1 | somone use kernel 2.6.22 here? |
| 20:28.36 | en1gma | dhclient and auto eth(x) seam to fight eachother |
| 20:28.41 | s0n1 | i need .config function |
| 20:28.49 | stew | en1gma: what makes you say that? |
| 20:28.52 | s0n1 | because compile kernel and don't start |
| 20:29.00 | en1gma | when i ifdown eth(x) dhclient brings it back up....unless i do an ifdown eth(x) --force |
| 20:29.01 | Supaplex | Harpoiur: no deleting. only overwriting the destination. --delete will erase files not found on the destination (eg, if they were deleted on the source at one time) |
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| 20:29.13 | somian[0] | OMG the channel is over 800. Nevermind, I now flee. |
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| 20:29.34 | en1gma | OMG there is a bit of activity in here isnt there :) |
| 20:29.44 | xeihin | themill how can I know what config files are from each one? |
| 20:29.51 | Harpoiur | only overwriting the destination? |
| 20:29.52 | stew | en1gma: if you /etc/init.d/networking stop ; is dhclient still running? |
| 20:29.53 | xeihin | and how can I know what apache its running? |
| 20:30.03 | Supaplex | Harpoiur: rsync source dest |
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| 20:30.14 | themill | xeihin: you could change the server signature on one config and then go to the page ;) |
| 20:30.21 | en1gma | well the ifdown --force kills it so i dont want to do that command right now or i loose chat |
| 20:30.34 | themill | xeihin: but you should be able to work it out from netstat -p -t |
| 20:30.35 | piztek | is it possible to disable tooltips in gnome? |
| 20:30.46 | Supaplex | Harpoiur: if en1gma edits your /etc/resolv.conf on that server, rsync will overwrite /folder/resolve.conf after you run rsync. is that not what you want? |
| 20:30.46 | Harpoiur | but if -a options is meant only for that, why does it transfer also the /etc folder without problems? |
| 20:30.49 | en1gma | does auto eth(x) use the dhclient to bring em back up |
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| 20:30.55 | xeihin | themill mmm I can't stop the actual apache running |
| 20:31.07 | xeihin | but I need to delete the other apache |
| 20:31.10 | themill | xeihin: netstat -p will show you what processes are using what ports. Look for apache. |
| 20:31.11 | en1gma | auto iface eth(x) i think it is |
| 20:31.12 | Supaplex | Harpoiur: -a is 'archive' - it's a bunch of options rolled into one. |
| 20:31.13 | stew | en1gma: no, auto just means that they are broght up when you run "ifup -a" |
| 20:31.17 | xeihin | let me try themill |
| 20:31.19 | Harpoiur | hmm.. ok |
| 20:31.31 | stew | en1gma: auto has nothing to do with dhcp |
| 20:31.33 | Harpoiur | but the files which im rsyncing still stays at the host server |
| 20:31.33 | Supaplex | Harpoiur: -a, --archive archive mode; same as -rlptgoD (no -H, -A) |
| 20:31.36 | GreenJelly_Linux | hey, Im thinking of installing debian... is it a good distro for a relitive newbe? |
| 20:31.48 | beh | does the debian cd contain an uncompressed kernel that i can use with bootx? |
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| 20:32.04 | Supaplex | Harpoiur: it's no different then cp. what do you want to happen? copy all files? rsync won't copy files it knows are the same. |
| 20:32.21 | Harpoiur | nono, I will backup the files only |
| 20:32.22 | themill | xeihin: it will have the process id. |
| 20:32.22 | Supaplex | Harpoiur: is it missing files? are you using the trailing slash on both source and dest? |
| 20:32.25 | Harpoiur | this ill do just fine |
| 20:32.29 | Harpoiur | no |
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| 20:32.36 | themill | xeihin: you can also COLUMNS=200 ps ax |grep apache |
| 20:32.38 | Harpoiur | just backup |
| 20:32.39 | benjamindees | beh, probably not |
| 20:32.42 | en1gma | ohhh so if i have 2 cable modems connected to eth0 and eth2 both broadcasting on 255.255.255.255 and dhclient is bringing both eth0 and eth2 up then i would need to disable dhclient and put static ips in /etc/network/interfaces and use what to bring em up? |
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| 20:33.21 | en1gma | auto iface eth(x) brings up even static ips? |
| 20:33.43 | Harpoiur | Supaplex: I just wanted to make sure that this rsync wont have any effect on the host server |
| 20:33.43 | Supaplex | en1gma: 1. en1gma: dhclient would use one interface, they're not bridged. 2. yes |
| 20:33.46 | Harpoiur | where the files are downloaded |
| 20:33.54 | oc3d | I was wondering, is there a way to use a syslinux /dev/sda1 to install a boot loader for amd64, while using the syslinux of an i386 system (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en) ? |
| 20:33.57 | benjamindees | beh, you can probably decompress the kernel image though |
| 20:34.13 | Harpoiur | Supaplex: can ya still confirm this? :D |
| 20:34.16 | en1gma | i think dhclient is trying to bring em both up and they are fighting over the dns servers and gateway info |
| 20:34.18 | en1gma | or routing |
| 20:34.22 | stew | atperez: "auto iface eth0" would say that both intefaces named "iface" and "eth0" should be brought up when you run "ifup -a" as if you had run "ifup iface ; ifup eth0" |
| 20:34.35 | stew | en1gma: what is the commandline that dhclient is running with? |
| 20:34.52 | thorat | does Pidgin have toaster popups? (I used the gaim-guifications package with gaim) |
| 20:34.56 | en1gma | dhclient eth0 is what i use to get dhcp info |
| 20:35.00 | stoned | toaster? |
| 20:35.06 | atperez | eh? |
| 20:35.09 | en1gma | but i think that is one that is running at boot time |
| 20:35.11 | beh | benjamindees: where on the debian disc would it be? |
| 20:35.21 | Harpoiur | Supaplex? |
| 20:35.23 | Supaplex | Harpoiur: if box:/etc/ is the host, then no |
| 20:35.29 | Harpoiur | ok |
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| 20:35.37 | Supaplex | it's just like cp |
| 20:35.38 | stew | en1gma: yes, and you should not be running it by hand. if you run it by hand, then that is why it is being brought back up after running ifdown |
| 20:35.52 | Harpoiur | I will have to leave it on for the whole night so I dont like to wake up in a disaster :D |
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| 20:35.59 | en1gma | if i blank out my /etc/network/interfaces file both nics will be picked up at boot time with dhclient? |
| 20:35.59 | stew | en1gma: if you DO run it by hand then you have to kill the copy of dhclient that you are starting if you want it to not bring the interface back up |
| 20:36.12 | Kobaz | apt backports |
| 20:36.12 | apt | [backports] http://www.backports.org |
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| 20:36.16 | en1gma | ahhh ok |
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| 20:36.33 | benjamindees | beh, I don't have one to check right now but probably in /isolinux or /boot or something like that |
| 20:36.53 | stew | en1gma: no, if you blank out /etc/network/interfaces, nothing will be brought up unless they are being brought up by something else like network-manager |
| 20:37.04 | en1gma | hmmm |
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| 20:37.23 | en1gma | well dhclient isnt getting its info from "interfaces" is it |
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| 20:37.51 | stew | en1gma: /etc/init.d/networking is running ifup -a which is getting info from interfaces and in turn running dhclient |
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| 20:38.27 | en1gma | what command disables dhclient |
| 20:38.30 | Harpoiur | Supaplex: I will call you tomorrow morning if I wake up to a screaming call from one of our clients |
| 20:38.32 | en1gma | i dont want it to run |
| 20:38.48 | themill | en1gma: have you actually read man 5 interfaces as you say? |
| 20:38.54 | stew | en1gma: you mean the one you started or the one started because of /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:39.02 | themill | en1gma: I mean read carefully.... |
| 20:39.05 | tehtechman | dondelelcaro: Hey... I finally got it. Apparently this stupid computer needed acpi=off. Oh man do i hate this old IBM server. Thanks for the help |
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| 20:39.17 | en1gma | i read man interfaces, ifconfig, dhclient but i dont remember it all |
| 20:39.22 | Supaplex | Harpoiur: my warranty is no better than rsync. YYMV/caveat emptor |
| 20:39.38 | GreenJelly_Linux | anyone can tell me if the debian package is relitively easy to install? and if so, do I need all 3 dvds? |
| 20:39.41 | ErkiDerLoony | Blie, blah, blub. |
| 20:39.42 | en1gma | stew the one started from /etc/network/interfaces (i want disabled i think) |
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| 20:40.06 | Supaplex | how can I use my own kernel for d-i (debain-installer)? Why? - well, I'm going to clone the .config from linux-image-2.6.18-4-686. I'm using a 16mb flash ide for boot, and need nfsroot. |
| 20:40.12 | stew | en1gma: "ifdown interfacename" will stop it. if you don't want it to start in the future, remove "auto interfacename" |
| 20:40.22 | stew | Supaplex: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
| 20:40.26 | benjamindees | GreenJelly_Linux, you do not need all three; having more than one may make it easier though |
| 20:40.29 | en1gma | i put that in /etc/init.d? |
| 20:40.51 | en1gma | or i put that in "interfaces" |
| 20:41.11 | benjamindees | GreenJelly_Linux, and, relatively, I would say Debian is on the 'not' easy to install side of the scale |
| 20:41.18 | beh | benjamindees: there is a file under install/powerpc/ called vmlinux, could that be it? |
| 20:41.23 | Harpoiur | damn im hungry |
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| 20:41.29 | Harpoiur | gotta eat some spaghetti |
| 20:41.34 | en1gma | ifdown only shuts down the auto interfaces |
| 20:41.44 | GreenJelly_Linux | benjamindees is it as hard as gentoo? |
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| 20:41.58 | benjamindees | GreenJelly_Linux, I wouldn't say so |
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| 20:42.15 | stew | en1gma: put what? ifdown? |
| 20:42.17 | benjamindees | beh, yes that's it |
| 20:42.22 | GreenJelly_Linux | benjamindees does it have a wizard to install it... I mean what makes it harder? |
| 20:42.43 | stew | en1gma: no, "ifdown interfacename" will bring down any interface brought up via ifup, not jsut automatic ones |
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| 20:42.46 | benjamindees | GreenJelly_Linux, it is harder because hardware support is generally lagging |
| 20:42.49 | timma | I have a now unmountable partition. Any suggestions? |
| 20:42.56 | en1gma | see stew im gonna make eth0 = 192.168.100.1 netmask 255.255.248.0 and eth2 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 and have different gateways and dns servers for each |
| 20:42.58 | beh | benjamindees: and you would guess it's uncompressed? there is no extention |
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| 20:43.12 | benjamindees | beh, it's usually compressed |
| 20:43.14 | en1gma | dhclient is making them both use same dns and gateways at boot time i believe |
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| 20:43.29 | benjamindees | beh, but I'm not sure about powerpc |
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| 20:43.32 | marcuss | Hey , how do you start apache 2 ? |
| 20:43.42 | en1gma | ifdown does not unless you use the --force option |
| 20:43.47 | Supaplex | marcuss: /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 20:43.51 | Kensey | Having issues reinstalling libpango1.0-common: apt-get says it can't be installed because it can't be downloaded. |
| 20:43.56 | GreenJelly_Linux | benjamindees is there a hardware support list? |
| 20:43.57 | en1gma | and you also have to do ifconfig -a down |
| 20:43.57 | stew | en1gma: you can't have multiple gateways without adding multiple routing tables |
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| 20:44.07 | Kensey | Is there an issue with the repos? |
| 20:44.09 | en1gma | yea i think i need to make a routing table too |
| 20:44.19 | benjamindees | GreenJelly_Linux, not that I know of but if you ask here you will get good advice |
| 20:44.25 | en1gma | so that was gonna be a Q later that i know i need to read now |
| 20:44.28 | en1gma | :) |
| 20:44.29 | XTF | Hi. I've set Exim to use Maildir storage and now I've got a /var/www/Maildir. That doesn't seem right to me. :) Is that a bug in Exim or in my config? |
| 20:44.30 | stew | en1gma: you should not have to use --force. if you are having to use it, you are doing something wrong |
| 20:44.42 | GreenJelly_Linux | benjamindees if it doesnt support the ICH8 chipset, and the micron device that usually comes with it? |
| 20:44.48 | stew | en1gma: '/msg dpkg split access' if you need multiple routing tables |
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| 20:45.16 | oc3d | Well I am off to buy CD-Rs :) just one question before I go: Is it possible to make a multi-architecture cd, where you can install i386, i64 and amd64 from a minimum install image on one cd? |
| 20:45.22 | en1gma | well when the computer starts with the interfaces file with both nics set to dhcp with both cable modems broadcasting on 255.255.255.255 its messes with dhclient i believe |
| 20:45.50 | benjamindees | GreenJelly_Linux, I know that ICH8 may not be supported |
| 20:45.50 | stew | en1gma: can you be more specific? what do you mean by "messes with"? |
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| 20:46.37 | stew | en1gma: or tell me why you think you need to use --force |
| 20:46.46 | mango | hi, can you please someone tell me how to register my own username password with irc? thanks |
| 20:46.52 | en1gma | i cant get on net on eth0 connected to working cable-modem unless i bring both nics down and start up only one |
| 20:47.00 | en1gma | i can start either one but only one at a time |
| 20:47.03 | Supaplex | marcuss: /msg nickserv help |
| 20:47.06 | kritical | Does anyone know when the security upgrade for bind9 might be released? |
| 20:47.08 | Supaplex | marcuss: nm that |
| 20:47.09 | GreenJelly_Linux | benjamindees, thanks... I guess my next move is ubuntu |
| 20:47.10 | en1gma | when i do 2 i have to have one set as static |
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| 20:47.18 | Supaplex | mango: /msg nickserv help |
| 20:47.21 | stew | en1gma: how are you trying to start one? what happens if you try to start one without brining both nics down? |
| 20:47.38 | en1gma | it says its already up |
| 20:47.46 | en1gma | if i do an ifup |
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| 20:47.54 | stew | en1gma: ok and what is wrong with that? |
| 20:47.58 | en1gma | no net |
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| 20:48.27 | stew | en1gma: show me the output of "ip a ; ip r" after you get that message (and before you do anything else) use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:48.27 | mango | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:48.35 | en1gma | they are both up at boot time but no net on eth0 and eth2 works but that cable-modem isnt connected to coax |
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| 20:48.49 | stew | en1gma: what do you mean by "no net on eth0" ? |
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| 20:49.16 | en1gma | eth0 = cable-modem working....eth2 = cable modem/gateway with no coax connected to it |
| 20:49.20 | en1gma | i want to ssh into it |
| 20:49.29 | en1gma | and still be connected to net at same time |
| 20:49.31 | oc3d | Ill reformulate: anyone know if it is possible to create a multiple arch. netinstall cd ? |
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| 20:49.44 | stew | en1gma: show me the output of 'ip a ; ip r' when it is not working |
| 20:50.10 | en1gma | well my interfaces file isnt correct right now so you will get some strange stuff prob but hang on and ill pastebin it |
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| 20:50.50 | stew | en1gma: my guess would be that you are getting a default gateway from eth2 and therefore you aren't getting one from eth0 (since you can only really have one default gateway per routing table) |
| 20:50.59 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/632414 |
| 20:51.08 | en1gma | yea thats what i think too |
| 20:51.12 | en1gma | or a bad route |
| 20:51.17 | en1gma | or dns server |
| 20:51.30 | stew | en1gma: what happens when you "ping 12.219.56.1" ? |
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| 20:52.00 | en1gma | that working ok |
| 20:52.01 | stew | en1gma: what happens when you "ping 64.233.167.99" |
| 20:52.15 | en1gma | that one too |
| 20:52.25 | en1gma | prob cant ping eth2 |
| 20:52.29 | stew | en1gma: the second one is google, so it doesn't seem like you have a proglem |
| 20:52.33 | en1gma | i can usually only do one and not the other |
| 20:52.43 | keith4 | what's your routing table say? |
| 20:52.49 | stew | keith4: see his pastebin |
| 20:52.50 | en1gma | let me see if i can ping 192.168.0.1 |
| 20:53.00 | keith4 | ah |
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| 20:53.16 | en1gma | well i have that other nic disabled thats why its all good right now |
| 20:53.34 | en1gma | thats why its all working when we ping external ips with eth0 |
| 20:53.42 | en1gma | and routing table is fine right now too |
| 20:53.47 | stew | en1gma: so you don't actually have a problem? |
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| 20:54.07 | en1gma | i cant connect to eth2 cable-modem gateway |
| 20:54.09 | en1gma | right now |
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| 20:54.28 | en1gma | if i try and bring it up it will disable this connection |
| 20:54.40 | stew | en1gma: how do you try to bring it up? |
| 20:54.43 | en1gma | in that pastebin look they are both broadcasting ffffffff |
| 20:54.54 | stew | en1gma: that's good |
| 20:55.09 | en1gma | sometimes i give it a manual ip and netmask with ifconfig eth2 and then i do ifup eth2 |
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| 20:55.53 | stew | en1gma: and what happens? |
| 20:55.59 | en1gma | it works in interfaces if i set it to static BUT something is wrong cause yesterday i could ssh into it and today it says im blocked or no access or something along those lines |
| 20:56.10 | stew | en1gma: it says what exactly? |
| 20:56.24 | en1gma | well since i have it disabled right now i cant test it |
| 20:56.36 | stew | en1gma: well ask again when you want help on it then. |
| 20:56.43 | benjamindees | oc3d, I'm sure it's possible; perhaps not easy |
| 20:57.07 | en1gma | let me put it back to the way it was and bootup and i can tell you what it was BUT you are just gonna say its a setting in my router blocking access when yesterday for sure i was ssh into it but it would tell me password incorrect |
| 20:57.38 | subx | when i used to use gnome there was a font configuration tool where u can set all the smoothing / aliasing up etc. I wonder what that tool used in the background to make those settings because now im using fluxbox im having difficulty making the fonts look nice. Ive tried using dpkg-configure fontconfig-config but it only gives u a few settings, nothing like the font settings u get in gnome. |
| 20:57.39 | stew | en1gma: if it is able to tell you "password incorrect" then your router isn't blocking acess |
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| 20:59.06 | en1gma | yesterday my setup was different...cable modem that works int ip was 192.168.100.1 so i set cable modem/gateway to that same ip and then i would just disconnect the lan cord and put it into the modem i wanted to mess with |
| 20:59.16 | en1gma | i could ssh into both modems (no password error) |
| 20:59.20 | benjamindees | oc3d, netbsd does it: http://www.netbsd.org/docs/bootcd.html#multiimage |
| 20:59.36 | en1gma | today i added the nic and could ping both modems but today it says im blocked or something like that |
| 20:59.46 | stew | en1gma: it says what exactly? |
| 20:59.50 | Gertrude | en1gma: are both interfaces in the same subnet? |
| 21:00.04 | oc3d | benjamindees: well, even windoze does it |
| 21:00.17 | en1gma | 255.255.248.0 and 255.255.255.0 but both modems broadcast on 255.255.255.255 |
| 21:00.18 | benjamindees | oc3d, then I'm sure you can figure it out ;) |
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| 21:00.26 | en1gma | idk |
| 21:00.43 | stew | en1gma: then we can't help you |
| 21:00.47 | SORMANOV | how to format a disk ? |
| 21:01.04 | stew | SORMANOV: what exactly are you tring to do? |
| 21:01.09 | en1gma | when both nics are connected to both modems i can get in both modems web-admin pages but for some strange reason today i cant ssh with out that error....im gonna reboot and get you the exact error |
| 21:01.12 | en1gma | brb |
| 21:01.48 | SORMANOV | steve, i've fdisked to my stick memory card, deleted 2 partitions and created one unique partition, and now i need to format it to vfat fs |
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| 21:02.24 | stew | SORMANOV: use mkfs.vfat from the dosfstools package |
| 21:02.47 | SORMANOV | thank u |
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| 21:04.41 | oc3d | benjamindees: wouldnt it involve just having the bootloader load the differnt kernel images in the cd compiled for each arch. (amd64, i386, ia64...)? |
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| 21:05.14 | en1gma | ok im back |
| 21:05.15 | Xptical | hi all. I have a problem with cron.daily, weekly, monthly jobs not running. cron.hourly runs just fine... |
| 21:05.15 | dondelelcaro | oc3d: only the first of those two run on the same hardware. IA64 is totally different.. |
| 21:05.19 | Xptical | any ideas? |
| 21:05.20 | en1gma | let me paste some info on pastebin |
| 21:06.11 | dondelelcaro | Xptical: uh... how do you know they're not running? Do they get listed with run-parts --test? |
| 21:06.47 | Xptical | well, it's a backup job. It should create a directory in /root and do a mysqldump of all my databases |
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| 21:06.54 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/632435 |
| 21:07.00 | Xptical | BTW, the logrotate jobs run just finbe |
| 21:07.03 | Xptical | BTW, the logrotate jobs run just fine |
| 21:07.04 | en1gma | i can ping with both nics |
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| 21:07.23 | dondelelcaro | Xptical: and what does run-parts --list /etc/cron.daily; say? |
| 21:07.24 | en1gma | let me ssh into eth2 cable-modem/gateway that is not connected with coax |
| 21:07.41 | en1gma | CPU01:/# ssh 192.168.0.1 |
| 21:07.41 | en1gma | ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.1 port 22: Connection refused |
| 21:07.45 | Xptical | my job isn't listed |
| 21:07.50 | Xptical | but others are |
| 21:07.55 | en1gma | stew did you see that info |
| 21:07.57 | dondelelcaro | Xptical: man run-parts; and name your job appropriately. |
| 21:08.05 | Xptical | kk |
| 21:08.12 | streuner | en1gma: do you have ssh even installed? |
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| 21:08.18 | Xptical | so I can't just drop a script in the dir and have it run? |
| 21:08.26 | stew | en1gma: that means ssh isn't listening on that ip address. can you ping that ip address? |
| 21:08.27 | en1gma | i install zssh and scanssh earlier |
| 21:08.39 | en1gma | yea in that pastebin it shows its reachable |
| 21:08.47 | stew | en1gma: then ssh isn't running |
| 21:09.00 | en1gma | and yesterday i could ssh to it and it asked about rsa key and said the password i entered was incorrect |
| 21:09.01 | stew | en1gma: /msg dpkg connection refused |
| 21:09.02 | dondelelcaro | Xptical: you can, but it must be listable using run-parts, which has specific requirements. |
| 21:09.09 | Xptical | kk |
| 21:09.12 | Xptical | reading now |
| 21:09.14 | stew | en1gma: then yesterday ssh was running, and you entered the incorrect password |
| 21:09.16 | dondelelcaro | Xptical: if you read the first three paragraphs of the manpage, you'll understand. |
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| 21:09.46 | en1gma | the router has firewall up for some reason |
| 21:09.51 | en1gma | is my bet |
| 21:10.02 | en1gma | well thats the way it looks but i have it all disabled |
| 21:10.10 | en1gma | maybe i need to reset the modem |
| 21:10.12 | en1gma | 1 sec |
| 21:10.17 | streuner | oh |
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| 21:10.42 | knoxy | hi all.. |
| 21:10.47 | themill | en1gma: most modem-routers will have some knowledge of their netmask and will refuse connections from outside the "local" network |
| 21:10.54 | knoxy | How can I do to repair this bug? [Tue Jul 24 18:09:55 2007] [notice] child pid 2643 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) |
| 21:10.57 | knoxy | APACHE |
| 21:11.05 | knoxy | installed with aptitude |
| 21:11.13 | keith4 | apache or apache 2? |
| 21:11.15 | stew | themill: if he can ping it, its is on his network |
| 21:11.17 | knoxy | APACHE |
| 21:11.30 | knoxy | APACHE 1.3.* + PHP5 |
| 21:11.31 | Xptical | okay, I read all that. I understand the *words*. But when they are put together like that, it makes no sense... |
| 21:11.34 | keith4 | so... apache crashed |
| 21:11.34 | en1gma | themill i think you are on to something |
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| 21:11.49 | en1gma | for some reason even though im on local network with it something has it confused |
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| 21:11.53 | en1gma | i resetting modem 1 sec |
| 21:11.55 | knoxy | keith4 aptitude reinstall apache? |
| 21:11.55 | pkempgen | sorry to ask again, but i wasn't able to find any information about this strange issue: when I do "apt-get update" it tries to fetch some files from security.debian.org but then complains that it could not resolve "w2k-scm-mk-2" |
| 21:12.07 | pkempgen | any idea what's wrong here? |
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| 21:12.16 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 21:12.30 | themill | stew: my modem would return an icmp packet but it rejects tcp from outside what it believes is the network it should talk to (and that's pretty narrowly defined -- only 32 IP addrs) |
| 21:12.46 | keith4 | pkempgen: what does `host security.debian.org` say? |
| 21:12.52 | eth01 | m0n0wall |
| 21:12.54 | en1gma | stew in that modem ssh is always running...its prob either blocked with its firewall (that i have set to disable) or something with routing is making it think im on external network |
| 21:13.28 | pkempgen | keith4: it says it has 3 addresses |
| 21:13.31 | stew | themill: oh, how do you know that he is only on a /27 ? |
| 21:14.17 | pkempgen | keith4: nslookup security.debian.org works fine and resolves the name |
| 21:14.18 | themill | stew: haven't a clue... just trying to throw in a fresh idea since progress seems slow. (I was only talking about my modem) |
| 21:14.28 | en1gma | 2 things were different yesterday....only eth0 was in computer....i had the modem im trying to ssh set to 192.168.100.1 and i had the coax connected to it |
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| 21:14.31 | knoxy | keith4 aptitude reinstall apache? how can I do to repair this apache?? |
| 21:14.31 | keith4 | pkempgen: weird |
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| 21:14.48 | themill | stew: am quite happy to keep fighting with garmin's horrible software and play with my shiny new gps |
| 21:14.52 | keith4 | knoxy: are you running unstable? |
| 21:14.55 | en1gma | ok i reset the modem and still get connection refused |
| 21:14.55 | themill | stew: and leave you to it ;) |
| 21:14.56 | pkempgen | keith4: yeah |
| 21:15.05 | keith4 | well then you should expect some problems |
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| 21:15.30 | knoxy | keith4 etch |
| 21:15.30 | en1gma | stew you want to see any special commands right now? |
| 21:15.40 | keith4 | knoxy: that's not unstable |
| 21:15.43 | en1gma | you did that one that had ip a and ip r |
| 21:15.50 | knoxy | keith4 stable.. |
| 21:15.53 | pkempgen | keith4: i dont understand how apt-get thinks it needs to resolve "w2k-scm-mk-2" |
| 21:16.15 | keith4 | knoxy: what version of apache? |
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| 21:16.20 | stew | en1gma: are you getting connection refused? |
| 21:16.28 | keith4 | pkempgen: me neither |
| 21:16.34 | en1gma | yes |
| 21:16.42 | stew | en1gma: then no; /msg dpkg connection refused |
| 21:16.44 | en1gma | but i know i was in this router yesterday |
| 21:16.44 | keith4 | pkempgen: pastebin your sources.list |
| 21:16.57 | knoxy | keith4 Server version: Apache/1.3.34 (Debian) |
| 21:17.01 | streuner | ever tried traceroute? :-) |
| 21:17.04 | knoxy | keith4 Server built: Mar 4 2007 01:34:14 |
| 21:17.11 | pkempgen | how do i pastebin something? |
| 21:17.16 | en1gma | ok im gonna put my settings back to how it was yesterday and show that its not my router blocking it AND that its not that i dont have ssh installed and running |
| 21:17.18 | streuner | !paste |
| 21:17.18 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 21:17.33 | keith4 | knoxy: when does it crash? |
| 21:17.45 | knoxy | keith4 today.. |
| 21:18.07 | en1gma | any suggestions anyone...cause im gonna be offline for a bit |
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| 21:18.10 | keith4 | immediately when you start it? under heavy load? after some long time? |
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| 21:19.08 | pkempgen | keith4: http://paste.debian.net/33342 |
| 21:19.09 | knoxy | keith4 maybe after heavy load... |
| 21:19.14 | en1gma | ok brb |
| 21:19.44 | keith4 | knoxy: sounds like you need to go to #apache |
| 21:20.15 | Xptical | dondelelcaro Thanks for the help. The script I was using has a dot in the filename. I had to read the first paragraph like 5 times before it sank in... |
| 21:20.20 | keith4 | pkempgen: weird |
| 21:20.27 | keith4 | looks fine, i mean. but your problem is weird |
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| 21:20.37 | keith4 | pastebin the output of apt-get update |
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| 21:21.50 | pkempgen | http://paste.debian.net/33343 |
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| 21:22.36 | rolnxyz | How do I rename all the files in a directory with their current name + ".mkd"? |
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| 21:23.28 | pkempgen | keith4: something strange is going on on that system. "ps ax" just outputs one line and than hangs. i cant abort it with ctrl-c. however "ps ax | tee" works |
| 21:23.34 | stew | rolnxyz: rename 's/$/.mkd/' * |
| 21:24.20 | solemnwarning | Is there a way I can change the default arch of dpkg-architecture? |
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| 21:24.39 | zmeiat_joro | my ISP's DNS sucks majorly. As far as I can tell running BIND on my desktop may help me with this. is that right? |
| 21:24.44 | rolnxyz | thanks |
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| 21:25.11 | cafuego | alias dpkg-architecture='echo ia64' |
| 21:25.19 | cafuego | zmeiat_joro: yes |
| 21:25.23 | themill | zmeiat_joro: look at pdnsd if you are looking for a local cacheing dns |
| 21:25.42 | cafuego | Mote that a hole was just found in bind9. |
| 21:25.49 | zmeiat_joro | yeah, I just read about that |
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| 21:26.00 | HSorgYves | is there a known reason why apache does not execute "php_admin_value open_basedir ..." command in conf file on debian etch? |
| 21:26.06 | cafuego | prolly be a DSE and fix later today tho :-) |
| 21:26.12 | cafuego | DSA even |
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| 21:26.35 | cafuego | HSorgYves: Coz php_admin_value isn't a valid directive |
| 21:26.56 | beh | can someone help me use bootx to boot into linux from mac os? I get a kernel panic saying a correct root= option isn't speicified but i'm not sure what to specify |
| 21:26.56 | cafuego | HSorgYves: php_value open_basedir ".:/some/path:/whatever/else" |
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| 21:28.11 | HSorgYves | cafuego - will try that one, thx |
| 21:29.31 | \amethyst | HSorgYves: are you setting it inside a VirtualHost perhaps? |
| 21:30.25 | HSorgYves | yes |
| 21:30.41 | \amethyst | HSorgYves: afaik php_admin_value can't be set in a vhost---only system wide |
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| 21:31.06 | HSorgYves | tryed it outside as well |
| 21:31.20 | \amethyst | hm, then php_value like cafuego suggests |
| 21:32.32 | HSorgYves | same problem with php_admin |
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| 21:32.50 | HSorgYves | you can check http://www.hosting-skills.org/ispcp/ |
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| 21:33.49 | \amethyst | HSorgYves: "open_basedir restriction in effect" |
| 21:34.02 | blinx | hm |
| 21:34.08 | juancgt | if when trying to compile a new kernel i load an old .config to menuconfig and get messages like "warning: trying to assign nonexistent symbol UNWIND_INFO", what should i do or what does this mean? |
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| 21:34.16 | blinx | dante doesn't want to start |
| 21:34.37 | mxq | siemka |
| 21:34.45 | blinx | Starting Dante SOCKS daemon: Jul 24 23:31:47 (1185312707) danted[0]: /etc/danted.conf: error on line 69, near 'route': syntax error |
| 21:34.47 | cafuego | HSorgYves: In al my vhosts, I use php_value and php_flag. Just make sure you don't allow t |
| 21:34.49 | blinx | but my config is ok |
| 21:34.56 | blinx | it works on another pc |
| 21:35.02 | cafuego | your users a .htaccess with which they could modify thse values. |
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| 21:35.05 | HSorgYves | \amethyst & cafuego: http://paste.debian.net/33345 |
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| 21:35.34 | \amethyst | HSorgYves: is php_admin_value open_basedir being set somewhere else? |
| 21:36.11 | HSorgYves | \amethyst: yes, but the value displayed comes from php.ini which should be overriden |
| 21:36.14 | cafuego | HSorgYves: Sorry, open_basedir is a single dir, I got it confuddled with include_path. |
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| 21:36.44 | tuliox | !off |
| 21:36.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, off is the opposite of on |
| 21:36.46 | HSorgYves | cafuego: open_basedir can be a path as far as i know |
| 21:36.53 | cafuego | HSorgYves: If you need to run scripts and open files from prettymmuch everywhere, just turn it off. |
| 21:37.03 | tuliox | !offtopic |
| 21:37.03 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic |
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| 21:37.38 | cafuego | tuliox: Playing with the bot? |
| 21:37.39 | HSorgYves | cafuego: it is just that dir which needs a different one... don't want to turn it off because there are multiple sites running on the same server |
| 21:37.54 | tuliox | cafuego nope |
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| 21:38.13 | krazykit | ... |
| 21:38.24 | cafuego | HSorgYves: I would set it to "/var/www/ispcp". |
| 21:38.57 | cafuego | sorry, ""/var/www/ispcp/gui" even. Does that still give you permission denieds? |
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| 21:40.44 | HSorgYves | cafuego: changed it and restarted apache2, it still lists the same open_basedir which comes from the php.ini |
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| 21:42.28 | cafuego | HSorgYves: Aaah, I see. |
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| 21:43.15 | HSorgYves | cafuego: when i change it /var/www/fcgi/hosting-skills.org/php4/php.ini it works, i would like to change it for all sites though |
| 21:44.14 | cafuego | HSorgYves: Are you using php in cgi mode? |
| 21:45.06 | HSorgYves | cafuego: how to check that? |
| 21:45.24 | cafuego | HSorgYves: Ar you using libapache2-mod-php4 or php4-cgi? |
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| 21:49.10 | HSorgYves | cafuego: not sure i didn't install php :-( trying to find out |
| 21:50.28 | HSorgYves | cafuego: is there a way to list installed packages? |
| 21:50.43 | cafuego | HSorgYves: Yup, 'dpkg -l' |
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| 21:51.45 | HSorgYves | libapache2-mod-php4 is installed and php4-cgi as well |
| 21:52.06 | HSorgYves | as well as libapache2-mod-php5 and php5-cgi |
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| 21:53.20 | nitro4ce | if i have gcc 4.2.0 and libstdc++v3, then compiled apps will use libstdc++ v4 and binary packages will use v3? |
| 21:53.30 | HSorgYves | cafuego: how to find out which one is used? |
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| 21:55.22 | debiano | hi all i have a slow internet access and i want to use debian what is the cd's i need to download to have gui and develpment tools less is better |
| 21:55.26 | debiano | thank u all |
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| 21:55.58 | me_ | Hello, I have a quick question about kerels: If I am currently using kernel B, and switch to kernel A, which ends up not working (for whatever reason) am I guaranteed that if I switch back to kernel B that everything will work fine again? |
| 21:56.12 | pocukrani | i have stupid question |
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| 21:56.31 | pocukrani | how i can zip one directory? |
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| 21:56.42 | DawnLight | what is that Sm off and Sm on thing in ssh port forwarding? |
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| 21:57.25 | me_ | pocikrani just use: zip zipfilename.zip directory/ |
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| 21:57.31 | HSorgYves | cafuego: any idea? |
| 21:57.37 | \amethyst | debiano: Are you going to be installing from the CDs just once, or multiple times? |
| 21:58.01 | JoshH | me_: generally, yes |
| 21:58.04 | DawnLight | me_: pretty much, unless the A mutilizes your data |
| 21:58.10 | HSorgYves | \amethyst: did you follow the discussion? any idea? |
| 21:58.18 | \amethyst | HSorgYves: nope :( |
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| 21:58.20 | debiano | amethyst: what do u mean |
| 21:58.24 | \amethyst | HSorgYves: no idea I mean |
| 21:58.25 | DawnLight | me_: why are you messing around with kernels? |
| 21:58.34 | HSorgYves | \amethyst: thx |
| 21:58.45 | \amethyst | debiano: You can get the netinst CD (it's just a couple of hundred megs) and then it will only download the packages you choose to be installed |
| 21:59.15 | me_ | A server at work needs to be upgraded from a really old kernel to a new one (and an SMP one too), a lot of people are giving trouble with "what if it doesnt work" scenarios |
| 21:59.20 | \amethyst | debiano: however, if you're going to install many times from a net-CD, you'll have to re-download most of the stuff (what's not on the CD) every time you install |
| 21:59.39 | \amethyst | me_: if you're using grub, read about "boot once" mode |
| 21:59.41 | debiano | sorry but what do u mean |
| 21:59.48 | debiano | i guess only once |
| 21:59.58 | JoshH | me_: what debian version is it? |
| 22:00.05 | debiano | if i need more packages i might downloadd them its not a problem |
| 22:00.10 | \amethyst | debiano: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 22:00.21 | debiano | what i mean whats the less number of cd to get somthing like |
| 22:00.24 | debiano | fedora |
| 22:00.35 | debiano | small |
| 22:00.36 | \amethyst | debiano: the net-install CD. everything else can be downloaded |
| 22:00.38 | debiano | not 21 cd |
| 22:00.40 | me_ | I dont ever remember off the top of my head, it was a test release, about 2 years old |
| 22:00.41 | DawnLight | me_: you may need to upgrade not only the kernel, but some libraries and then some programs... |
| 22:01.13 | me_ | I guess my real question is, would any new kernel installed start modifying config files or changing any settings around? |
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| 22:01.17 | debiano | how much are we talking abt the downloads |
| 22:01.18 | JoshH | me_: sounds like you would be better off finding someone with a clue, no offense, to upgrade the entire box |
| 22:01.23 | DawnLight | me_: but i'm not sure of that |
| 22:01.28 | Zeug | When I try to compile wine 0.9.41 after doing ./configure and make depend successfuly, i get these errors: http://www.zeug.us/temp/error . what could be the problem? |
| 22:02.07 | JoshH | if you are upgrading from a 2.4 to a 2.6, there is a little more to it, but if you are just going from an old 2.4 to the newest 2.4, that should be simple enough |
| 22:02.16 | debiano | i liked slackware its only 3 cds |
| 22:02.25 | debiano | c my problem |
| 22:02.33 | debiano | \amethyst |
| 22:02.39 | streuner | debiano: Debian only one ;-) |
| 22:02.40 | me_ | The kernel there is definately a 2.6 one |
| 22:02.46 | \amethyst | debiano: The more popular software is on earlier CDs |
| 22:02.46 | me_ | but its not an SMP one |
| 22:02.52 | streuner | !d-i debiano |
| 22:02.52 | dpkg | debiano, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:03.06 | JoshH | me_: you can probably just apt-get the latest one in your debian version |
| 22:03.16 | \amethyst | debiano: so the first 2 CDs have most of what you'll want, but there might be some useful things on later CDs |
| 22:03.37 | loupgaroublond | hi |
| 22:03.41 | debiano | \amethyst such as |
| 22:03.44 | DawnLight | me_: JoshH's advice is clever. depends on the downtime you are willing to accept and the time you are willing to put in it. reconfiguring stuff after upgrade may be necessary |
| 22:03.49 | JoshH | but if you are going to a newer 2.6 kernel, there isn't much to worry about |
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| 22:04.01 | loupgaroublond | python-gst0.10 won't let me purge it, because it's in a half installed state, is there a way to force it to purge? |
| 22:04.08 | me_ | JoshH: that's the plan, but is there any chance that the new kernel would not work, and if so, am I guaranteed that booting with the old kernel will work again |
| 22:04.13 | debiano | i'm using a dell inspiron laptop |
| 22:04.30 | JoshH | there is a chance, and as long as no data is corrupted, then going back to the older one will definitely still work |
| 22:04.49 | JoshH | just make sure you keep them both available in your boot loader |
| 22:04.59 | me_ | ok thanks a lot |
| 22:05.03 | HSorgYves | cafuego: still alive? |
| 22:05.07 | \amethyst | debiano: fortran compiler, for example, is on CD 6 |
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| 22:05.39 | DawnLight | me_: perhaps test the new kernel first with a knoppix or debian live and see if it works |
| 22:05.49 | Supaplex | where does the .config file come from when following this? http://wiki.debian.org/kernel-package |
| 22:05.50 | debiano | i only need c python and mey be perl |
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| 22:06.11 | DawnLight | me_: but i would just install the new kernel and try |
| 22:06.17 | debiano | fortran who uses it any more |
| 22:06.36 | azeem | debiano: your weather forecast |
| 22:06.49 | me_ | DawnLight: downtimes are a problem, and if the kernel is not working a lot of people will be on my case |
| 22:06.57 | \amethyst | debiano: those will probably be on the first 2 CDs, but some of the development libraries are likely to be on later CDs |
| 22:07.09 | me_ | but as long as the old one is guaranteed to work, then everything is good |
| 22:07.19 | \amethyst | debiano: but you can install them over the network, so there's no reason to download all those CDs :) |
| 22:07.26 | DawnLight | me_: good luck |
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| 22:07.34 | me_ | thanks |
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| 22:07.48 | debiano | i know but i have slow internet access the download speed is 10 k |
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| 22:08.17 | debiano | plus its a wireless internet |
| 22:08.21 | taime1 | how do i assign my own ip address on my local network as opposed to just being assigned one automagically? |
| 22:08.40 | azeem | taime1: why don't you want to get one assigned? |
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| 22:08.53 | taime1 | because i need to join a specific network |
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| 22:09.08 | doublehp | is there an easy way to block an IP for 1h after 3 authentification failures to sshd ? I am tired of those scanbots which attemp 150 logins per minute ... |
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| 22:09.18 | _Sam-- | doublehp: sshutout |
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| 22:09.33 | _Sam-- | works brilliant, here. |
| 22:09.35 | DawnLight | taime1: /etc/network/interfaces is the file and man interfaces |
| 22:09.41 | debiano | plus gnome is in the fires 2 cd's right |
| 22:10.00 | azeem | debiano: should be on the first, yes |
| 22:10.25 | debiano | its not on the first |
| 22:10.29 | DawnLight | doublehp: perhaps put your sshd on another port? |
| 22:10.29 | debiano | i know this |
| 22:10.32 | debiano | its not |
| 22:10.43 | Mitchbbaker | hello i need help with grub boot loader i am dual booting with windows XP and linux is on a second HDD how do i make it so that it automatically boots windows after a timeout of 30 secs? |
| 22:10.44 | debiano | the first cd has the basic installation |
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| 22:11.05 | debiano | powerpuffgirl this debian channel not cartoon network |
| 22:11.07 | debiano | heheheh |
| 22:11.54 | DawnLight | Mitchbbaker: /boot/grub/menu.lst is the file |
| 22:11.54 | Ronin | debiano: hard to tell sometimes i swear :) |
| 22:12.02 | doublehp | DawnLight: even if I go in those places very rarely, I know some people's networks where 22 is the only outgoing open port ... (in this case, http tunneling requires to run http_tun_d on 22 ...). |
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| 22:12.13 | Mitchbbaker | DawnLight: thanks ill look |
| 22:12.25 | diafic_ | tata for now |
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| 22:12.33 | debiano | i just need to be sure please can any one confirm |
| 22:13.04 | Innatech | I have an OEM-version Intel dual PT/1000 NIC (PCI-E) in my router. A couple days ago, linux was happily recognizing it, although I had to shove it's PCI ID into /sys/.../new_id for it to be recognized. However, since then the devices it's assigned to seem to change mysteriously--first it was eth3 & eth4 (which made sense as 0, 1 & 2 are on the motherboard.) However, now they show up as eth3 & eth5 -- strange. Furthermore, now neither |
| 22:13.04 | Innatech | port will detect a link. How do I troubleshoot this? One thing I noticed is that lsmod doesn't show any active use of e1000 -- but ethtool says that eth3 & 5 are using e1000. |
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| 22:14.07 | DawnLight | doublehp: try http://debian-administration.org and search ssh security |
| 22:14.28 | Mitchbbaker | ok there are 4 things in the list and xp is the fourth one (it has debian, debian single user, other os's, windows) so do i use 3 as default? |
| 22:14.39 | doublehp | DawnLight: reading http://www.techfinesse.com/sshutout/sshutout.html ATM |
| 22:14.50 | marcuss | Hello , do any of you know where the php5 module is located on Debain :D ? |
| 22:14.59 | benjamindees | Mitchbbaker, yes |
| 22:15.04 | Mitchbbaker | cool thanks |
| 22:15.43 | hajhouse | Innatech: don't know how to troubleshoot the lack of link detection. But for stopping the annoyance of changing interface numbers, this might help: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/502 |
| 22:16.14 | Mitchbbaker | access denied |
| 22:16.18 | marcuss | Hello , do any of you know where the php5 module is located on Debain :D ? |
| 22:16.20 | Mitchbbaker | won't let me save |
| 22:16.28 | Innatech | hajhouse: thanks. |
| 22:16.32 | DawnLight | Mitchbaker: which editor are you using? |
| 22:16.47 | Mitchbbaker | kwrite |
| 22:16.48 | DawnLight | Mitchbbaker: which editor are you using? |
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| 22:17.05 | Supaplex | !tell marcuss -about search |
| 22:17.19 | DawnLight | Mitchbaker: run kdesu kwrite. that will run it as root and root has all privileges |
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| 22:17.22 | pingouin | how many time the ~/.bash_history is kept/renew ? how/where to tell i want to keep more longer ? |
| 22:17.48 | Mitchbbaker | uh how me=linux newb |
| 22:18.00 | Mitchbbaker | teminal? |
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| 22:19.03 | Supaplex | pingouin: man bash. it's read when bash starts, saved when bash exits. |
| 22:19.20 | DawnLight | Mitchbaker: you can run it in a terminal in kde or using the K menu -> Run command |
| 22:19.21 | hajhouse | does there exist a command-line tool to convert ODS (OpenDocument spreadsheet) files to something else (like HTML or delimited text). i'm looking for something non-interactive |
| 22:19.27 | Mitchbbaker | hmm when i run that in root terminal it saya "kdesu: cannot connect to X server" |
| 22:19.28 | \amethyst | pingouin: the HISTSIZE environment variable controls the maximum length |
| 22:19.31 | solemnwarning | Whenever I download a debian package dpkg can't check the signiture, where do I get the current public key? |
| 22:19.32 | Innatech | OK-- I went to install ifrename and I think apt-get removed a bunch of my system w/o warning -- like udev, for instance. |
| 22:19.34 | Innatech | :( |
| 22:19.54 | pingouin | Supaplex/ \amethyst ok i check thanks both of you |
| 22:20.21 | DawnLight | Mitchbbaker: try in a terminal emulator in kde or the Run Command |
| 22:20.44 | stew | Innatech: apt-get never removes anything without warning |
| 22:20.47 | Mitchbbaker | i tried the run command it opened a new kwrite |
| 22:21.10 | Innatech | stew: yeah, that's what I thought. It indicated no packages to remove, then removed a bunch. |
| 22:21.25 | DawnLight | Mitchbbaker: now that kwrite is run by root. you can open the file and save it |
| 22:21.51 | stew | Innatech: in any case, can't you just reinstall them? |
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| 22:22.41 | Innatech | stew: I suppose. Still, that's pretty alarming. It seems to work properly in reverse: trying to install udev warns that ifrename will be removed. |
| 22:22.55 | Mitchbbaker | nothing is showing up under storage media in the open dialogue |
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| 22:23.41 | Supaplex | Innatech: show us http://rafb.net/paste |
| 22:24.07 | Innatech | Supaplex: hold on, let me see if I can get it. It's on a physically different system. |
| 22:24.12 | stew | Innatech: show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 ifrename udev" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 22:24.54 | Mitchbbaker | ok its good now thanks |
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| 22:25.07 | [-Pi-] | re, I am HSorgYves |
| 22:25.29 | pingouin | \amethyst: perfect, echo $HISTSIZE give me the default (500) the next question is : how i change it permanently ? sorry to disturb, thanks |
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| 22:30.44 | marcuss | Hello ,I do aptitude install apache2 ,It seams to go ok , and all files are their ,But when i do the start command ,It does nothing and goes to the next line ,Any suggestions? |
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| 22:31.29 | Innatech | http://www.pastebin.ca/632533 (don't scream at me. ;) ) |
| 22:31.56 | stew | Innatech: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
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| 22:32.20 | DawnLight | marcuss: which start command? |
| 22:32.28 | marcuss | um hold on |
| 22:32.28 | Innatech | they know next to nothing when it comes to server. |
| 22:32.32 | lightning | does anyone know how to set XDMCP as the login manager |
| 22:32.37 | stew | Innatech: try a mailling list then |
| 22:32.45 | Innatech | stew: if you don't want to help--don't. |
| 22:32.57 | marcuss | DawnLight: /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 22:33.04 | DawnLight | lightning: probebly /usr/share/doc/xdmcp |
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| 22:33.18 | stew | Innatech: ok. if you are planning to seek help for ubuntu in here. don't. its off-topic in this channel, sorry |
| 22:33.21 | karsten | lightning: Should be an option in your display manager config. Which are you using? |
| 22:33.28 | DawnLight | marcuss: point your browser at http://localhost |
| 22:33.37 | lightning | karsten: using gdm |
| 22:33.39 | marcuss | Why ? |
| 22:33.40 | Innatech | stew: dpkg and apt-get are core debian utils. But, whatever. Not looking for distro holy wars. |
| 22:33.58 | DawnLight | marcuss: to check if apache is running |
| 22:34.11 | marcuss | Its on a remote server |
| 22:34.16 | karsten | Innatech: Suggest you don't argue with ops over channel policy. |
| 22:34.39 | Supaplex | where is nfs rootfs support? I have kernel level ip autoconfiguration enabled (dhcp, bootp and rarp) |
| 22:34.54 | lightning | karsten: i can't figure out how to set it |
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| 22:35.06 | valdyn | Innatech: you don't need ifrename if you have udev |
| 22:35.19 | DawnLight | marcuss: so what happens when you point your browser at it? |
| 22:35.20 | lightning | i tried xdmcp in /etc/X11/default-display-manager, but it didn't work |
| 22:35.21 | karsten | lightning: Check /etc/X11/gdm/gdm-config, maybe. I'm basing that on wdm which I use, don't have gdm installed. |
| 22:35.30 | DawnLight | marcuss: the server location i mean |
| 22:35.39 | marcuss | DawnLight : times out on 1.3 |
| 22:35.44 | karsten | lightning: grep -i xdmcp * whereever gdm's config files are. Assuming it's not now gconf fuckwittage. |
| 22:35.54 | lightning | karsten, do you use window maker? |
| 22:35.57 | Innatech | valdyn: yes, that would seem sensible but for udev's apparent misbehavior. But in any case, I don't want to antagonize the zealots. |
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| 22:36.22 | marcuss | DawnLight : i MEAN : it times out ,but dosnt on 1.3 |
| 22:36.26 | karsten | lightning: xdmcp isn't a window manager, it's a protocol for allowing remote clients to query your system as a remote X system. |
| 22:36.32 | karsten | lightning: Damned straight ;-) |
| 22:36.46 | karsten | lightning: ... though I use kdm as an X display manager. |
| 22:36.48 | DawnLight | marcuss: on the server, try "ps aux | grep apache" to see if its running |
| 22:36.53 | lightning | karsten: do you have a panel setup for wm |
| 22:36.59 | karsten | lightning: ?? |
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| 22:37.07 | lightning | you know, like a kicker panel |
| 22:37.15 | lightning | or do you use the squares? |
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| 22:37.17 | marcuss | DawnLight : can i pm you please? |
| 22:37.22 | karsten | lightning: Dock and clip. |
| 22:37.22 | klikklak | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.29 | peacecrusher | marcuss: apache2ctl start ? |
| 22:37.30 | karsten | lightning: Anything more than that and I bring up a term window. |
| 22:37.41 | karsten | !tell klikklak about anyone |
| 22:37.44 | karsten | !tell klikklak about ask |
| 22:37.51 | lightning | karsten: so is the dock standard? |
| 22:37.54 | marcuss | huh peacecrusher |
| 22:37.55 | stew | valdyn: this is the reason that he should be in #ubuntu not here. what you are telling him is not true. |
| 22:37.57 | lightning | how did you start the dock? |
| 22:37.59 | karsten | lightning: Yeah. |
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| 22:38.06 | karsten | lightning: It's part of WMaker. |
| 22:38.14 | lightning | i saw a screenshot with someone had a panel installed |
| 22:38.20 | valdyn | stew: its true |
| 22:38.34 | lightning | karsten: where do you edit the mouse in window maker? |
| 22:38.37 | stew | valdyn: no. not for the dapper version of udev |
| 22:38.49 | karsten | lightning: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/WM-screen.png |
| 22:39.11 | Innatech | guys, don't argue about it. It's not worth it. I'll fumble my way out of the mess one way or another. |
| 22:39.15 | karsten | lightning: Pretty bog-standard wmaker session. The editor app is "WMPrefs", old icon is 2nd from bottom on the right. |
| 22:39.18 | klikklak | ok, let me rephrase that: miro crashes on startup, it complains a screenful of dbus error messages of which I can't make heads or tails, is this a known problem and can it be cured? |
| 22:39.26 | DawnLight | marcuss: sure, pm me, but i don't know much about apache |
| 22:39.31 | karsten | klikklak: check bts. |
| 22:39.44 | karsten | !tell klikklak about bts |
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| 22:40.31 | karsten | klikklak: Best I can tell that's not yet made it into Debian so you might check the democracyplaer packages. /msg dpkg search |
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| 22:41.42 | lightning | karsten: eh, i just dislike the square icon thing |
| 22:41.59 | klikklak | karsten: ok, I'll check bts. I already have both the latest source (which fails to compile) and the democracyplayer package (which crashes in a similar way as the compile does) |
| 22:42.01 | lightning | so the login managers are xdm, gdm, kdm, and wdm, and what? |
| 22:42.14 | karsten | lightning: Works for me ;-) |
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| 22:42.25 | lightning | yeah |
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| 22:42.50 | karsten | lightning: if you like WMaker's general lightness, take a look at Fluxbox / Openbox, or XFCE4. |
| 22:43.15 | \amethyst | lightning: slim is another, and that covers the list in Debian |
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| 22:46.03 | lightning | will do |
| 22:46.11 | SORMANOV | how can i protect my self from being sniffed, someone is sniffing traffic between me and the lan gateway, and he can get my passwords over there ... |
| 22:46.34 | lightning | icewm seems cool, but i can't configure the mouse |
| 22:46.54 | valdyn | SORMANOV: why can he? |
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| 22:48.06 | Supaplex | I found nfsroot. yay listkeys on dpkg. |
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| 22:48.36 | SORMANOV | valdyn, he's using a windows software called "Cain" or something like that, it's using ARP poisoning technic |
| 22:49.09 | valdyn | SORMANOV: why are you transfering passwords in plaintext? |
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| 22:50.18 | klikklak | karsten: found it, it was an upstream bug with a patch for it, thanks |
| 22:50.21 | lightning | anyways i'm happy with metacity |
| 22:50.25 | SORMANOV | valdyn, because some sites use simple GET and POSTS without SSL, and because my ISP's using plaintext POP and IMAP authentification with no TLS/SSL support |
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| 22:50.57 | krazykit | SORMANOV, if you know who it is, why not just go punch him in the nose? |
| 22:51.04 | SORMANOV | is there a possibility to get a sort of vpn between me and the gateway . |
| 22:51.06 | stew | SORMANOV: report this guy to the network adminuistrator. in the meantime, do you have a trusted host that is out of his reach? |
| 22:51.20 | stew | SORMANOV: yes, openvpn is easy to setup |
| 22:51.51 | SORMANOV | it's not that punching solution, the problem is how to secure my self |
| 22:52.05 | danstah | is anyone running debian on vmware? |
| 22:52.17 | ofer | is anyone NOT running debian on VMware ? |
| 22:52.34 | stew | danstah: ofer: yes. and yes. |
| 22:52.44 | dkr | yes, darn, you beat me to it |
| 22:52.46 | danstah | what settings do u use? |
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| 22:53.14 | danstah | cause i use the linux kernel 2.6x and i get an error when try to pull stuff off the mirror during install |
| 22:53.41 | danstah | but i can use the network adapter fine with say a ubuntu install |
| 22:53.50 | danstah | i just bridge the connection btw |
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| 22:57.06 | solemnwarning | I'm trying to build bash with pbuilder and I get this error: |
| 22:57.08 | solemnwarning | : # see #327477, needed to have HAVE_DEV_STDIN defined |
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| 22:57.26 | solemnwarning | Is it a problem with the source archive? |
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| 22:58.50 | danstah | stew, any idea's? |
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| 23:00.21 | themill | solemnwarning: did you look at that bug? |
| 23:00.43 | solemnwarning | "that bug"? |
| 23:01.10 | themill | solemnwarning: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=327477 |
| 23:01.15 | solemnwarning | oh |
| 23:01.20 | stew | danstah: i've never used vmware |
| 23:01.21 | themill | solemnwarning: :) |
| 23:02.04 | danstah | so who said they had used vmware? |
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| 23:02.40 | stew | danstah: becuase lots of people have, which is what you asked. if you are getting an error, you will probably do much better to tell people exactly what the error is |
| 23:03.10 | danstah | my error is that it acts as though i have no connection to the net |
| 23:03.17 | danstah | when i do a netinst |
| 23:03.38 | stew | danstah: what exactly is the error? |
| 23:04.05 | danstah | well u know when u chose the mirror and it looks on that to see whats on it |
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| 23:04.33 | danstah | it times out |
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| 23:06.17 | Innatech | (In case anyone was wondering, my problem wasn't apt-get, debian, or ubuntu in the end. It was my moron "assistant" playing fast and loose with aliases. Am back to fixing my NICs. Thanks to everyone. ) |
| 23:06.59 | streuner | Innatech: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 23:07.59 | stew | streuner: /lastlog Innatech ; he already posted apt-cache policy |
| 23:08.09 | Innatech | streuner: hold on, and I'll check. For the record, the surprise removal of packages had to do with someone unwisely aliasing the -yes flag. |
| 23:08.10 | DawnLight | Innatech: there are no morons, and its not nice to call people morons. especially when they're idiots |
| 23:08.17 | solemnwarning | themill! :D |
| 23:08.18 | streuner | stew: ok, thanks. |
| 23:08.24 | solemnwarning | I think that workaround worked! |
| 23:08.28 | Innatech | DawnLight: quite right. My apologies to all morons who are idiots. ;P |
| 23:08.45 | DawnLight | lol |
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| 23:09.22 | streuner | solemnwarning: oh, good to hear |
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| 23:09.55 | streuner | keep in mind, what RMS done in the past |
| 23:10.17 | solemnwarning | Wrote the emacs OS? |
| 23:10.21 | streuner | sure |
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| 23:10.40 | streuner | without him, it would be desert ;-) |
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| 23:11.11 | themill | solemnwarning: :) |
| 23:11.30 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:11.47 | krazykit | solemnwarning, you use two hands for that ;-) |
| 23:11.50 | solemnwarning | kate == THE text editor :P |
| 23:12.04 | solemnwarning | nano if you're not in X |
| 23:12.11 | diafic_ | how do you add things to compiz like the dock? |
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| 23:13.18 | diafic | damn thing |
| 23:13.27 | diafic | how do you add things like the dock to compiz? |
| 23:13.32 | diafic | currently I have wibble |
| 23:13.36 | diafic | and the cube |
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| 23:13.58 | lightning | and back |
| 23:14.00 | lightning | icewm is cool |
| 23:14.16 | DawnLight | its strange. i'm vnc'd into a remote host and the screen saver there keeps jumping in every few seconds! |
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| 23:14.41 | themill | qemu seems to go to sleep occasionally until I click on its window and it then jumps from 0% to 50% cpu. Is there a known workaround to stop this? |
| 23:15.37 | solemnwarning | Learning dpkg/pbuilder/ect is fun! :D |
| 23:16.09 | klikklak | lol, I got a google error looking for "opml miro"... :) |
| 23:16.32 | themill | solemnwarning: careful... before you know it you'll be trying to recompile the entire archive just for the thrill of filing FTBFS bugs... |
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| 23:20.16 | rhododendron | i just installed apache2 on my system. when i call http://localhost only a 404 page is display although there is a file in /var/www |
| 23:20.40 | solemnwarning | themill: heh |
| 23:21.10 | rhododendron | how can i display that stuff? |
| 23:21.14 | solemnwarning | I'm actually planning on maintaining a parallel build of stable aimed at servers |
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| 23:21.41 | DawnLight | rhododendron: i don't think its /var/www. i think the fefault is something like /var/www/apache2_default |
| 23:22.24 | DawnLight | aaah! no more screen savers! |
| 23:22.48 | rhododendron | DawnLight: the default config has a redirect to apache2_default |
| 23:22.50 | solemnwarning | Why do people still use screensavers? |
| 23:23.08 | solemnwarning | It's not the 1980s anymore, monitors don't get burn-in AFAIK.... |
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| 23:23.52 | valdyn | solemnwarning: they just serve a different purpose now |
| 23:23.54 | dondelelcaro | solemnwarning: the main reason to use them is because they lock the screen. |
| 23:23.59 | solemnwarning | ah |
| 23:24.20 | solemnwarning | I guess that would useful if you're an an office/elsewhere :P |
| 23:24.22 | DawnLight | they can be stylish |
| 23:24.23 | dondelelcaro | (though monitors still burn in; it's just more difficult) |
| 23:24.30 | solemnwarning | They do? |
| 23:24.37 | dondelelcaro | sure |
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| 23:24.49 | DawnLight | when they're not utterly interrupting my remote desktop session! |
| 23:25.11 | dondelelcaro | solemnwarning: it takes way more than 24 hours to get burn in |
| 23:25.16 | solemnwarning | ah |
| 23:25.26 | krazykit | solemnwarning, think more in weeks |
| 23:25.31 | dondelelcaro | or months or years |
| 23:26.57 | dondelelcaro | yeah; you really should be using dpms instead, anyway. |
| 23:27.08 | solemnwarning | I use DPMS on my second monitor |
| 23:27.10 | Supaplex | save us the co2 |
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| 23:27.22 | solemnwarning | I have it disabled on monitor 1 though |
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| 23:28.28 | solemnwarning | Wow |
| 23:28.39 | solemnwarning | abrotman joined and the channel just... died |
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| 23:28.48 | terlmann | ok , I need some HELP. |
| 23:28.56 | terlmann | everyone ready ? |
| 23:29.03 | Supaplex | !tell terlmann -about ask |
| 23:29.40 | terlmann | I want to mount a cdrom on machine A and rout it through erthernet to machine B who will boot off of it |
| 23:30.00 | terlmann | is this possible? |
| 23:30.03 | dondelelcaro | how do you expect that to work? |
| 23:30.17 | terlmann | and furthermore , can you guide me through it step by step ;-P |
| 23:30.54 | solemnwarning | Yes and no |
| 23:31.02 | solemnwarning | Look at etherboot |
| 23:31.06 | terlmann | I dont have a fast internet so net install is out of the question , at least from internet |
| 23:31.14 | terlmann | PXE only allows that |
| 23:31.15 | DawnLight | terlmann: the mounting part is easy :) |
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| 23:31.21 | terlmann | well thats done |
| 23:31.23 | dondelelcaro | terlmann: so why can't you stick the cdrom into machine B? |
| 23:31.45 | terlmann | because the drive in machine b(a laptop) goes like mollasses |
| 23:31.52 | terlmann | unusable |
| 23:32.02 | solemnwarning | Use floppies :P |
| 23:32.09 | terlmann | no possibility |
| 23:32.18 | Rounin | Hello... I was thinking about installing and using testing or sid on my machine, and I noticed there are different CD images for Stable and Testing... Is it only a matter of find-replacing the names in sources.lst or whatever the file is called though? |
| 23:32.25 | solemnwarning | There's probably some way of setting up A as a mirror using the CDs |
| 23:32.30 | Rounin | I was thinking of using the netinstall actually, which is stable only and so on |
| 23:32.47 | dondelelcaro | terlmann: it'll take less time to boot off of the slow cdrom, then using a mirror or set of packages on A. |
| 23:32.47 | terlmann | I really want A to vanish and seem as simply a drive for B |
| 23:32.53 | terlmann | HA |
| 23:32.54 | DawnLight | terlman: what solemnwarning said |
| 23:32.55 | Rounin | Can one basically do a minimal install and just dist-upgrade it to sid |
| 23:32.57 | terlmann | ethernet ? |
| 23:33.19 | terlmann | A and B have a 100 mbs connect |
| 23:33.22 | valdyn | Rounin: you should |
| 23:33.28 | terlmann | thats nothing like a 5 kbs drive |
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| 23:34.02 | Rounin | OK, thank you valdyn, I guess I should try... It's been too long and I'd like to try the new kernel some time soon (and I'm bored) |
| 23:34.58 | terlmann | the cdrom took 1/2 hour to boot |
| 23:35.39 | lymeca | Is there a way I can list the packages I have installed according to how much space their content's take up? |
| 23:35.55 | abrotman | solemnwarning: ? |
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| 23:36.33 | solemnwarning | abrotman: ! |
| 23:36.43 | abrotman | solemnwarning: your comment ? |
| 23:36.53 | dondelelcaro | lymeca: yes |
| 23:36.53 | solemnwarning | Well.. it did :P |
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| 23:37.09 | abrotman | solemnwarning: what did ? |
| 23:37.21 | abrotman | oh |
| 23:37.27 | lymeca | dondelelcaro: Could you please elaborate on how I might go about doing so? |
| 23:37.43 | abrotman | !installed size |
| 23:37.45 | abrotman | hrm |
| 23:37.49 | dondelelcaro | lymeca: and please don't ask the same question in both #debian; man grep-dctrl; or read the aptitude manual's -F option explanation |
| 23:37.49 | abrotman | !instal size |
| 23:38.31 | Kobaz | okay so... |
| 23:38.45 | abrotman | Supaplex: that wasn't the factoid anyways .. i've seen it .. don't remember .. |
| 23:38.52 | Supaplex | ahh |
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| 23:39.08 | abrotman | or dpkg is dead ... |
| 23:39.12 | Supaplex | !test |
| 23:39.13 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 23:39.19 | Kobaz | i popped in some new drives, and now i boot and half my raid and my lvm can't be assembled... dm_mod is hijacking my drives and when i try and start the raid arrays i get device or resource busy... anyone have any ideas? |
| 23:39.19 | abrotman | nope .. it's just me |
| 23:39.22 | dondelelcaro | !sort by size |
| 23:39.22 | dpkg | i heard sort by size is perl -e 'while (<>) { chomp; if (/^Package: /) { s/^.* //; $pkg = $_; } if (/^Installed-Size: /) { s/^.* //; $package{$_} = $pkg; } } foreach $key (sort {$b <=> $a} keys %package) { printf "%s: %s\n", $package{$key}, $key; }' < /var/lib/dpkg/available, or see man grep-dctrl (from dctrl-tools package) |
| 23:39.27 | abrotman | that! |
| 23:39.36 | solemnwarning | EEK! |
| 23:39.37 | dondelelcaro | hrm... that looks almost as if I might have written that factoid |
| 23:39.44 | solemnwarning | Normal perl! |
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| 23:40.16 | DustyDingo | hi |
| 23:40.55 | dondelelcaro | hrm.. probably not, actually. |
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| 23:42.49 | DustyDingo | i want to mount a fat32 partition over nfs, so the local user on the nfs client is the owner of all files, like it would be mounted directly on the local machine with uid=$UID |
| 23:43.16 | DustyDingo | *$USERSID |
| 23:43.34 | Supaplex | DustyDingo: that'll work, if the user ids are identical on all systems |
| 23:44.12 | DustyDingo | Supaplex: i know, that i can mount the fat32 on the nfs server with uid=1000 for e.g. |
| 23:44.13 | dkr | and if it's a single system, you shouldn't be using nfs. ;) |
| 23:44.19 | DustyDingo | but thats not what i want |
| 23:44.59 | DustyDingo | so there is no way to do this with nfs in the middle? |
| 23:45.39 | dkr | in /etc/exports you can specify all_squash,anonuid=1000 |
| 23:46.11 | eth01 | apachectl? |
| 23:46.16 | dkr | not great security-wise... ;) but you could aslo limit the export to a specific ip address |
| 23:46.36 | dkr | eth01: verb? |
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| 23:47.08 | karsten | dkr: Nouning verbs weirds language. |
| 23:47.18 | romano2k | hi everyone! is it possible to change the login of a user account? |
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| 23:47.34 | Supaplex | !seen debian |
| 23:47.34 | dpkg | debian <~bathat@c-71-206-106-117.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 4d 5h 47m 28s ago, saying: 'is there any way to restore a MBR if I wiped the partition containing it and I have no backup floppy?'. |
| 23:47.35 | seraphangel | [%] Supaplex, well... i don't remember seeing [debian] :\ .$Bec(B»$B~?(B«UPP$B~?(B»$Bec(B» |
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| 23:47.46 | karsten | romano2k: Um, pardon? |
| 23:47.59 | karsten | romano2k: Can you change a username? Sure. man usermod |
| 23:47.59 | dkr | romano2k: you mean change the username? |
| 23:48.10 | romano2k | dkr: yes |
| 23:48.32 | themill | romano2k: but it's generally not a good idea. There's a world of pain waiting for you... (config files, scripts etc etc) |
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| 23:49.14 | karsten | romano2k: What themill said. |
| 23:49.23 | romano2k | themill: what do you mean? |
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| 23:49.49 | romano2k | themill: initscripts won't be updated automatically i guess, what else? |
| 23:49.59 | karsten | romano2k: username is used in many places. Changing it means you've got to find out where those places are and move them. |
| 23:50.36 | themill | romano2k: if you change your username, you will also (usually) change your home directory. Your settings files for kde gnome etc will all contain /home/oldusername not /home/newusername as the place to find config files, save files, recent documents. |
| 23:51.03 | themill | romano2k: it's doable.... but not really a good idea |
| 23:51.23 | DawnLight | when i mkdir as root, permissions default so that users can't read it? |
| 23:51.46 | solemnwarning | DawnLight: Depends on your umask AFAIK |
| 23:51.47 | Supaplex | DawnLight: depends on the umask |
| 23:51.50 | karsten | DawnLight: man chmod, see also umask |
| 23:52.06 | DawnLight | i'm talking debian defaults |
| 23:52.22 | karsten | DawnLight: man chmod, see also umask |
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| 23:53.24 | DawnLight | i will, at due time man every single man and woman but would you tell me this now |
| 23:53.43 | DawnLight | before i start eating ice cream |
| 23:54.00 | karsten | DawnLight: It depends on your umask. If you don't like the default perms, change w/ chmod. |
| 23:54.06 | romano2k | themill, karsten: the computer on which i'd like to change the username is a server |
| 23:54.13 | karsten | DawnLight: No!!!! Not the *ICE* *CREAM* |
| 23:54.21 | romano2k | there aren't that much things that are ran under this username |
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| 23:54.34 | karsten | romano2k: Which really doesn't change much, other than the fact that you still need to check for issues. |
| 23:54.37 | romano2k | are folders/files, owned by the new username automatically? |
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| 23:54.52 | karsten | romano2k: find & grep are your friends. |
| 23:55.29 | karsten | ... or a smaller planet. Your choice. |
| 23:56.09 | themill | karsten: smaller planet might help.... it's only a topo of Switzerland too.... hate to think what's going to happen when I try some other countries. |
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| 23:56.34 | DawnLight | too late |
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| 23:59.50 | karsten | themill: What are you editing? |
