| 00:00.17 | stoned | Webuser: ##hardware |
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| 00:01.17 | kritical | Can anyone help me with this... `find . -type f -name something* -exec zcat {} | grep searchstring \;` This is an example of something I'm trying to do.. I basically want to get find to execute a command with a pipe in it.. I've tried escaping the pipe without any luck |
| 00:02.06 | kritical | find . -type f -name ubs-7300-3_2007-07\* -exec echo \'{}\' \| grep ./ubs-7300-3_2007-07-06_15-30-00.log.gz \; <-- This is my actual example at the moment |
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| 00:05.01 | mmnicolas | hi there, i managed to minize my harddrive usage by using an highspeed sd card as my /, but i still feel there is something rotating inside the harddrive |
| 00:05.30 | mmnicolas | is there a tool or some proc file that can tell me if the drive is actually in standy or not ? |
| 00:05.34 | mmnicolas | standby |
| 00:06.05 | mmnicolas | i just wish it could shutdown after it booted the kernel |
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| 00:08.00 | jessen | i just spent a long time trying to get vim-latexsuite working |
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| 00:08.12 | stoned | haha |
| 00:08.20 | stoned | I just glanced over and saw vim-laxative |
| 00:08.21 | stoned | lol |
| 00:08.26 | jessen | then i finally noticed a new package in testing called vim-addon-manager |
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| 00:08.54 | bzed | mmnicolas: boot from the SD then |
| 00:09.16 | jessen | it would be nice if vim-addon-manager was mentioned in the README.Debian file for vim-latexsuite |
| 00:09.30 | bzed | mmnicolas: as long as you're running a journaling filesystem, your disk will have a write access every few minurtes. best is to unmount it and use hdparm to turn it off |
| 00:09.34 | mmnicolas | bzed: i wish i could, but it's an old motherboard and the bios doesn't even seem to know the computer is equipped with usb ports |
| 00:09.41 | bzed | mmnicolas: or look into laptop-mode |
| 00:10.02 | stoned | rahul: you here, or there? |
| 00:10.59 | mmnicolas | bzed: laptop-mode would be for an energy saving trick ? |
| 00:11.36 | bzed | yes |
| 00:11.41 | bzed | which includes turning off the HDD |
| 00:11.42 | mmnicolas | i'll try hdparming it off just after booting, it would be perfetc |
| 00:11.45 | mmnicolas | *perfect |
| 00:11.47 | mmnicolas | thanks |
| 00:11.58 | bzed | mmlj4: you need to unmount all partitions form the hdd first |
| 00:12.05 | bzed | mmnicolas: ^^ |
| 00:12.35 | mmnicolas | bzed: yes, nothing will be mounted, it only reads the kernel/init/fstab from it |
| 00:12.57 | bzed | mmnicolas: hdparm -y |
| 00:13.21 | mmnicolas | in fact, the drive it boots on, is only specified by the root (hd0,0) grub line |
| 00:13.25 | mmnicolas | does that sounds ok to you ? |
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| 00:14.48 | mmnicolas | it appears nowhere else |
| 00:15.51 | mmnicolas | nice, hdparm -C tells me the status |
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| 00:16.25 | mmnicolas | does standy means it completely stopped spinning ? |
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| 00:17.48 | mmnicolas | wow.. hdparm is so nice, that is exactly what i need |
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| 00:19.26 | cafuego | Unfortunately it doesn't work with new kernels. |
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| 00:20.02 | mmnicolas | cafuego: above which version ? |
| 00:20.33 | mmnicolas | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.54 | mmnicolas | it sounded like an important tool.. :( |
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| 00:22.38 | Webuser | Sometimes manufacturers include inferior cables if it furthers the bottom line. |
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| 00:23.15 | Webuser | This is why there is an aftermarket for thick, well-shielded SVGA cables. |
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| 00:27.11 | Webuser | 4 million * just $4 = $16 million saved |
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| 00:28.19 | _RedShift_ | Filesystem question for y'all. Got a P4 1.8 with 256MB RAM (kinda low-end, but who needs it for a web/FTP server). What's a better FS to use? |
| 00:29.00 | zinx | _RedShift_: ext3 |
| 00:29.15 | _RedShift_ | zinx, why? heard it was kinda slow and inefficient. |
| 00:29.31 | _RedShift_ | zinx, or am i misinformed? |
| 00:29.33 | zinx | _RedShift_: from who? Hans Reiser? |
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| 00:29.40 | dvs | heh |
| 00:29.40 | _RedShift_ | zinx, no, just in general. |
| 00:29.47 | zinx | _RedShift_: you should use ext3 |
| 00:29.48 | bkw | hmm anyone who knows why I'm getting [warn] RSA server certificate is a CA certificate(BasicConstraints: CA == TRUE !?) |
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| 00:30.15 | zinx | the only reasons you wouldn't are for compatibility, or if it's a special-purpose medium like flash. |
| 00:30.18 | SpinX | I was switching to another terminal on my server, and my keyboard quit working. I don't know any way to fix this unless I reboot the server. Any sugguestions? |
| 00:30.35 | _RedShift_ | zinx, no, just the system itself. how well/stable/fast does it run with a lot of small files? |
| 00:30.56 | zinx | _RedShift_: it runs fine, writing will be slightly slower than ext2 in some cases due to the journalling |
| 00:31.00 | karsten | SpinX: Sometimes restarting your X server may clear the issue if it's caused by a hung X server. |
| 00:31.08 | zinx | _RedShift_: but you won't be left with an inconsistent filesystem ever |
| 00:31.18 | SpinX | karsten, i don't have X on this server |
| 00:31.22 | karsten | SpinX: Helps if you can shell into the box remotely. |
| 00:31.23 | _RedShift_ | zinx, it's data+meta journaling, right? |
| 00:31.25 | karsten | SpinX: Hrm. |
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| 00:31.43 | zinx | _RedShift_: it defaults to only journalling metadata, but writing data ordered with the metadata so you don't have stale data |
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| 00:32.16 | zinx | _RedShift_: that can be tuned to not write the data ordered, or to do full journalling on the data |
| 00:32.23 | SpinX | I can reboot the server and the kb would work.. but I'd really like to keep it online. |
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| 00:32.30 | mmnicolas | zinx: in case of a SD card would you suggest anything else than ext3 ? |
| 00:32.54 | mmnicolas | zinx: if i use the card as my / |
| 00:32.59 | zinx | mmnicolas: generally FAT is going to be better for that simply because of the devices that use it, and i definitely wouldn't use ext3 |
| 00:33.01 | _RedShift_ | zinx, okay, thanks. |
| 00:33.08 | zinx | mmnicolas: you want to minimize writes with flash memory |
| 00:33.42 | zinx | mmnicolas: because it dies after 10,000 writes, or if you're really lucky, 100,000 |
| 00:33.42 | mmnicolas | i can use fat as a root filesystem ? |
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| 00:33.49 | zinx | i wouldn't do that either :) |
| 00:33.53 | SpinX | karsten, any other idea |
| 00:33.57 | mmnicolas | hrm.. |
| 00:34.03 | mmnicolas | i tought this was tougher |
| 00:34.07 | zinx | mmnicolas: you want it done so that your flash memory can be read-only most of the time |
| 00:34.15 | zinx | mmnicolas: so it doesn't degrade prematurely |
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| 00:34.48 | brandon_ | why doesn't debian have icewm-menu-gnome |
| 00:34.49 | zinx | mmnicolas: that means putting /var, /tmp, /home, /root, etc etc somewhere else |
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| 00:35.17 | zinx | mmnicolas: after that you can use about anything and just make sure it's set to be readonly unless you know you need to write to it |
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| 00:35.33 | karsten | SpinX: Send money. |
| 00:35.44 | zinx | mmnicolas: ext2 would probably be a better choice for a root.. there's some filesystems specificly made for flash too, but i don't know if they're designed for SD cards really |
| 00:35.49 | mmnicolas | zinx: and this is true for any kind of flash memory ? |
| 00:35.54 | zinx | mmnicolas: yep, currently |
| 00:36.27 | zinx | mmnicolas: hard drives generally fail because of the physically moving parts, not because the disc loses the ability to retain data |
| 00:36.29 | mmnicolas | well i intented to minimize usage of my hard drive.. but if my sd card will die sooner |
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| 00:36.44 | zinx | mmnicolas: flash dies almost exclusively because it stops being able to hold the data properly |
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| 00:37.04 | zinx | mmnicolas: reading doesn't affect it much, but writing causes it to degrade |
| 00:37.06 | mmnicolas | weird, i tought they were immortal |
| 00:37.06 | tenco | i noticed that xcompmgr isn't included in etch anymore. is there a replacement? |
| 00:37.10 | teksimian | I have what I think is a good idea for a feature for debians packaging system to support. |
| 00:37.14 | zinx | mmnicolas: nope, nowhere near it |
| 00:37.27 | dvs | mmnicolas: no, flash is good for about 1000 erases |
| 00:37.32 | mmnicolas | yes, im noticing, the card is really hot after booting |
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| 00:38.29 | zinx | dvs: SD cards are generally going to handle at least 10,000 |
| 00:39.28 | mmnicolas | theses calculations are based on a full erase event i guess ? |
| 00:39.39 | dvs | mmnicolas: nope |
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| 00:40.35 | zinx | mmnicolas: erase/write cycles |
| 00:40.47 | zinx | mmnicolas: per sector |
| 00:41.02 | mmnicolas | ok, so it'll fade out gradually |
| 00:41.08 | dvs | yup |
| 00:41.16 | klikklak | I can get lirc to work, it shows up on irw but when I try a program like totem or mplayer (for which it is configured) I don't get any response. Where should I start debugging? This thing used to work in an earlier kernel version and the config is left over from that, but now it doesn't seem to work anymore |
| 00:41.18 | mmnicolas | well, i guess this it not a good idea |
| 00:41.18 | zinx | mmnicolas: one bad bit in the wrong file means your OS is dead. |
| 00:41.31 | mmnicolas | yea |
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| 00:44.04 | brandon_ | where can i get icewm-menu-gnome1 |
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| 00:47.07 | teksimian | does apt support snapshots? make a snapshot of a package configuration |
| 00:47.08 | teksimian | ? |
| 00:48.51 | Innatech | I use CF cards on SATA adapters in a RAID 1 configuration. /var and /tmp are on USB pendrives. We replace the pendrives every few months, and the CF cards every nine months or so. No problems. Of course, this is on routers--not systems that need a lot of disk activity. |
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| 00:49.11 | Innatech | ^ @ mmnicolas |
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| 00:56.22 | namit | anyone here know anything about initrd for pxe |
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| 00:57.10 | abrotman | teksimian: /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 00:57.37 | runev | any one able to tell me why sound on flash utils (movies, players etc) in iceweasel suddenly stopped working after today's iceweasel update in etch? and yeah, i know about the whole setting dsp to aoss :) |
| 00:58.07 | karsten | Any suggestions for a good memory burn-in test? |
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| 00:59.05 | stoned | other than memtest*(not really burning) i dunno |
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| 00:59.19 | stoned | holy moly |
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| 00:59.50 | abrotman | karsten: load up a browser with flash .. and wait |
| 01:00.18 | karsten | abrotman: Heh. |
| 01:00.38 | karsten | Memory: 56830836k/58720256k available (1816k kernel code, 0k reserved, 1880k dat |
| 01:00.38 | karsten | a, 228k init) |
| 01:01.17 | namit | abrotman, firefox with flash |
| 01:01.17 | teksimian | abrotman; can it be used for downgrading/fixing systems? |
| 01:01.53 | abrotman | namit: that is a browser |
| 01:01.58 | abrotman | teksimian: you can't downgrade |
| 01:03.04 | teksimian | hrm. that sucks. It would seem useful to me to make a snapshot of a configuration that works well, and if it blows up sometime down the road, restore that package configuration. |
| 01:03.46 | karsten | teksimian: You can do that in VMs with COW disks. |
| 01:03.51 | karsten | teksimian: ... or with LVM. |
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| 01:10.55 | klikklak | it seems to work if I run manually: sudo /usr/sbin/lircd -n -H default -d /dev/lirc0 strange |
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| 01:15.08 | klikklak | must have been permissions sin ce it works after a few restarts, still. well, another day, another problem solved |
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| 01:35.47 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 01:35.47 | dpkg | methinks qotd167 is <dooglus> asg: the biggest package is linux-image-2.6.16-1-686. I don't do any image processing, so I think it's probably safe to remove that one. <asg> dooglus: that's the kernel |
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| 01:36.58 | teksimian | lols ^ |
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| 01:43.44 | nick108 | Hi there, does anybody know an equivalent for the FILE command under Windows (MS-DOS)? |
| 01:43.50 | mhall | What is the ldbl transition? |
| 01:43.51 | abrotman | file does ... ? |
| 01:43.54 | karsten | nick108: cat |
| 01:43.54 | mhall | nick108: cygwin on file |
| 01:43.59 | abrotman | karsten: that's cat |
| 01:44.03 | abrotman | er m.. type |
| 01:44.06 | mhall | nick108: err, oops file *on* cygwin |
| 01:45.12 | nick108 | so I need to install cygwin first |
| 01:45.19 | karsten | abrotman: I don't either. |
| 01:45.32 | abrotman | MS doesn't either |
| 01:45.45 | abrotman | http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/ntcmds.mspx?mfr=true |
| 01:45.46 | karsten | abrotman: MS thinks? |
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| 01:46.00 | abrotman | that's all the XP/DOS commands |
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| 01:46.35 | nick108 | thx for the link abrotman |
| 01:46.47 | abrotman | it's stll not a command :) |
| 01:47.33 | stoned | mhall: ! |
| 01:47.38 | karsten | nick108: So, what are you trying to do again? You're lookign for a Linux command that does what "file" does in Windows, or a Windows command that does what "file" does in Linux? |
| 01:47.50 | stoned | mhall: wow man long long time no see |
| 01:47.58 | karsten | nick108: Answer either way is "no dice". |
| 01:48.02 | stoned | mhall: where have you been hiding |
| 01:48.07 | karsten | mhall: Hey there, big boy! |
| 01:48.09 | mhall | stoned: yeah i've been having some problems lately |
| 01:48.13 | mhall | karsten: 'lo |
| 01:48.34 | nick108 | karsten: the latter |
| 01:48.44 | abrotman | nick108: SoL |
| 01:48.46 | abrotman | ask ##windows |
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| 01:48.59 | lu-bao | ipw3045 install howto needed :) |
| 01:49.06 | karsten | nick108: "file" isn't a Windows command best we can tell, and Windows doesn't have the sort of file-association database Linux does. The Windows Explorer does its application / file relationship mapping via file extensions. So the answer would be "some registry tool". |
| 01:49.06 | lu-bao | ipw3945* |
| 01:49.31 | karsten | nick108: ... or install cygwin. |
| 01:49.44 | abrotman | or ask ##windows |
| 01:49.50 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 01:49.51 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
| 01:50.00 | lu-bao | abrotman thanks youre a lifesaver :) |
| 01:50.07 | abrotman | wait til you try it! |
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| 01:50.25 | lu-bao | they work ;) |
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| 01:50.38 | lu-bao | used them in linux before they are fine :) just didnt knew how to get a tutor :) |
| 01:50.43 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 01:51.53 | nick108 | carstem: thx, will try to get cygwin running |
| 01:52.02 | nick108 | sorry karsten |
| 01:52.21 | _RedShift_ | should the system hostname (/etc/hostname) JUST be the hostname, or the entire FQDN? |
| 01:52.22 | lu-bao | lol couldnt find ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 |
| 01:52.29 | lu-bao | yes i've addet contrib and non-free :) |
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| 01:53.15 | lu-bao | ah stupid typos... |
| 01:53.46 | lu-bao | okay good night everyone :) |
| 01:56.03 | abrotman | _RedShift_: /etc/mailname |
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| 01:57.16 | karsten | Hrm. It's been a while since I've had to build a kernel. |
| 01:57.30 | karsten | "make randconfig": Create a ./.config file by setting symbol values to random values. |
| 01:57.38 | karsten | I could see how taht could be useful ... |
| 01:57.43 | karsten | ... and at the same time, not. |
| 01:57.56 | abrotman | for testing module interoperability . i guess |
| 01:57.59 | abrotman | or lack thereof |
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| 01:58.17 | dewey | good day mates |
| 01:58.36 | dewey | why is etch trying to update a kernel I am already running? |
| 01:58.44 | karsten | abrotman: Pretty much, yeah: for exercising build options you wouldn't normally run. |
| 01:58.53 | abrotman | dewey: security update |
| 01:59.14 | dewey | well it only gets 50% updated and then sits there? |
| 01:59.32 | abrotman | 50% downloaded ? |
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| 02:00.02 | S4nD3r | hi there |
| 02:00.10 | dewey | abrotman: it is downloaded and starts installing itself? |
| 02:00.18 | dewey | updating itself |
| 02:00.21 | abrotman | dewey: okay .. it's probably making the initramfs |
| 02:00.47 | dewey | abrotman: how long should that take? |
| 02:01.03 | abrotman | depends on the speed of the box .. i'd let it sit there 5-10 minutes on a reasonable box |
| 02:01.36 | dewey | Configuring linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 02:01.48 | dewey | ok I will wait and see what happens. |
| 02:02.15 | dewey | file /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/modules.dep needs to be re-built |
| 02:02.29 | dewey | It can â–’ |
| 02:02.29 | dewey | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.29 | dewey | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.47 | dewey | what the heck is this message? |
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| 02:03.09 | dewey | Reboot as soon as this install is finished (Do not reboot right now, |
| 02:03.15 | abrotman | right .. so leave it go |
| 02:03.20 | krazykit | !tell dewey about paste |
| 02:03.47 | abrotman | â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’ |
| 02:03.50 | dewey | ok |
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| 02:06.08 | pcc1 | why might the 'search' stanza not appear in resolv.conf when using resolvconf? I think I might have turned it off for some reason but have forgotten how I did that |
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| 02:10.45 | popt | who have install debian on a cpu: AMD TL50X2 or TL-56 notebook? |
| 02:11.34 | popt | i386 or 64 bit debian which one best support it? |
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| 02:12.06 | popt | anyone installled on that hardware? |
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| 02:15.29 | nick108 | karsten: I just installed cygwin |
| 02:15.33 | cargohold | Explain "cd-etctool" vs "wodim" .. now plz |
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| 02:15.51 | cargohold | Karsten is ok.. hiya karsten! |
| 02:16.35 | nick108 | karsten: what did you mean by *cygwin on file*? |
| 02:16.47 | Clinton__ | Can someone recommend a good program for forwarding http requests to different ports? Such as incoming requests are handled like so: http://www.website.com/ <--> http://localhost:13843 ? |
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| 02:19.51 | brandon_ | anyone here run icewm |
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| 02:20.36 | krazykit | !anyone use icewm |
| 02:20.36 | dpkg | No, no one uses icewm, not even the people who use it. |
| 02:21.01 | Walther | is apt broken? |
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| 02:21.41 | krazykit | Walther, er, why do you ask? |
| 02:21.49 | krazykit | that'd be tremendously bad |
| 02:22.20 | Walther | on my last dist-upgrade |
| 02:22.35 | Walther | #432913 - apt segfaults when reading package list |
| 02:22.47 | Supaplex | fun! |
| 02:23.04 | Supaplex | try useing the minimum sources needed |
| 02:24.27 | Supaplex | Clinton__: iptables or apache's mod_proxy |
| 02:24.45 | jmalicki | clinton__: squid |
| 02:26.06 | Clinton__ | jmalicki: I'm looking at squid now and I can't find a single entry for redirecting certain requests to certain ports, and I don't want it to cache, only proxy |
| 02:29.21 | cargohold | clit |
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| 02:32.00 | jmalicki | clinton__: oh ok. i'm used to using it for reverse proxy when i want it to cache dynamic content |
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| 02:33.53 | mhall | cargohold: there si teh n0 gurls on t3h intarweb!!!!!one |
| 02:34.20 | cargohold | mhall: we are to keep you tehn, teenboy ? |
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| 02:34.38 | Clinton__ | jmalicki: nope... not qute |
| 02:34.38 | mhall | cargohold: lol |
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| 02:36.50 | cargohold | mhall: square root of 12 ? |
| 02:37.23 | mhall | cargohold: ask a mathematician... i'm a developer ;) |
| 02:37.38 | cargohold | Dont worry, not many can handle it (including me:) |
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| 02:37.45 | cargohold | Im a dev too :=) |
| 02:37.59 | cargohold | what do you dev btw ? |
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| 02:38.20 | mhall | cargohold: i write event processors for network management software |
| 02:38.42 | mhall | cargohold: i just finished up a gnarly module today, about... 400 functions... 20-30 files |
| 02:39.05 | mhall | cargohold: it can collect many thousands of syslog and snmp events and convert them to streams of useful objects |
| 02:39.16 | mhall | cargohold: best of all it only uses one thread |
| 02:39.16 | jnguy[h] | Hey guys. Is there any reason why I can't install apache on debian unstable. It appears to only have apache2... |
| 02:39.34 | cargohold | mhall: "event processors for network management" .. sounds overly complicated that.. what does it dodilidoo ? :=) |
| 02:39.42 | mhall | cargohold: it was three months of pure one-man cowboy coding |
| 02:39.54 | mrsno | jnguy[h] is it erroring? apache 1.3.34-4.1 is in the debian repositories for sid |
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| 02:40.01 | mhall | cargohold: well basically it helps you monitor the network devices and look for problems |
| 02:40.09 | jnguy[h] | I get the "this package is refered by..." |
| 02:40.17 | jnguy[h] | Do I have bad sources? |
| 02:40.24 | cargohold | mhall: If its good its good... ive been coding outside the box for 10 years now |
| 02:40.31 | cargohold | off the hook |
| 02:40.49 | cargohold | mhall: i like it! |
| 02:41.00 | mrsno | jnguy[h] try aptitude update and try again |
| 02:41.01 | mhall | cargohold: basically what happened was, i got motherfucking pissed at the current version |
| 02:41.02 | jnguy[h] | actually, my sources.list points to debian.org. What is the tool that allows you to select from a variety of mirros again? |
| 02:41.09 | mhall | cargohold: and i decided i could and would do it better. |
| 02:41.23 | mhall | cargohold: so for three months i made it in secret because nobody would let me do it |
| 02:41.27 | jnguy[h] | mrsno: I just did an apt-get update (I don't use aptitude, although I should learn at some point) |
| 02:41.31 | mhall | cargohold: by padding the time required for other assignments |
| 02:41.33 | cargohold | Thank gowd there are more of us out there!!! |
| 02:41.58 | mhall | cargohold: until i could get enough of it done that i could get it fully javadocced and pass it off to some other guys who could finish up the output end |
| 02:42.00 | mrsno | jnguy[h] im going by http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/apache |
| 02:42.22 | mhall | cargohold: i just put the last javadoc today... now 100% of it is properly docced and ready to go |
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| 02:42.29 | jnguy[h] | Yeah, I see that as well... which is why it doesn't make sense... |
| 02:42.32 | cargohold | mhall: and so you found the true power of OSS :=) |
| 02:42.36 | mhall | cargohold: maybe with a little luck it will actually be used |
| 02:42.37 | cplx__-- | has anyone here ever worked with postfix & IMSS? |
| 02:42.41 | mrsno | jnguy[h] what about apt-cache search apache ? |
| 02:42.52 | mhall | cargohold: sadly i had to write this guy myself... proprietary... :-( |
| 02:43.24 | mhall | cargohold: i just used the standard java.concurrency, java.util, and a hacked snmp stack |
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| 02:43.29 | jnguy[h] | it doesn't show up... just apache2. |
| 02:43.33 | cargohold | mhall: Stfu, thats just EINVAL, LINGER |
| 02:43.36 | cargohold | :=) |
| 02:43.46 | mhall | cargohold: the snmp stack got in my way so i ripped it apart |
| 02:43.58 | mhall | cargohold: and wrote code right into the middle of it to make it fast |
| 02:44.12 | mhall | cargohold: i had to do it to get rid of unnecessary threads... java is the WORST about that |
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| 02:44.36 | cargohold | Yeah, i agree to it beeing the fastest code |
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| 02:44.45 | mrsno | jnguy[h] is there a reason for not wanting to use apache2 ? :) |
| 02:45.08 | mrsno | if you are on sid, the version of apache is the same that is stable/testing anyways i believe |
| 02:45.10 | hardbop200 | all - is anyone using hiawatha as a webserver? for some reason I can't get perl cgi stuff to work...I'm sure I'm missing something obvious... |
| 02:45.12 | jnguy[h] | I just know apache1 better :) |
| 02:45.22 | jnguy[h] | but I suppose apache2 will do... |
| 02:45.38 | mhall | cargohold: everytime you switch threads it stalls the cpu |
| 02:45.41 | mhall | cargohold: forget that |
| 02:45.41 | mrsno | im not in my sid install at the moment so can't check what mine says, sorry |
| 02:45.50 | jnguy[h] | no problem. Thanks. |
| 02:45.56 | mhall | cargohold: i'll make it work with one thread... thankyouverymuch Selector! |
| 02:46.17 | cargohold | Exhilimantly |
| 02:47.24 | cargohold | Fieldy: I was thinking, maybe to destroy Efnet. Or listen to good music, yes/no ? |
| 02:47.34 | stoned | what? |
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| 02:47.45 | matiu | How can I tell which package owns a file please ? |
| 02:48.02 | stoned | !tell matiu -about search |
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| 02:48.45 | cargohold | stoned: Ever seen Blaahrg0ne 7 up close ? :=) |
| 02:48.56 | fox__ | argh |
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| 02:49.05 | cargohold | v[0] |
| 02:49.11 | fox__ | is there someone here that would be willing to help me with this ndiswrapper problem? |
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| 02:49.51 | cargohold | EU-ircnets, gay |
| 02:49.58 | mhall | !tell fox__ -about ask |
| 02:50.19 | Ardi | hi to alll ... i am trying to install ndiswrapper in my laptop but i get an error .. where can i paste the error if some one can help me ? |
| 02:50.35 | krazykit | !tell Ardi about paste |
| 02:50.48 | mhall | !tell Ardi -about paste |
| 02:50.52 | mhall | krazykit: doh beat me =) |
| 02:51.19 | krazykit | save a keystroke, you don't need the hyphen :P |
| 02:51.51 | Ardi | http://paste.debian.net/33430 |
| 02:51.51 | fox__ | ok, I'm at the stage where it says 'driver present, hardware present' |
| 02:51.52 | cargohold | !tell Ardi - About ArdiGraw! :=) |
| 02:51.56 | fox__ | but doesn't do crap after that |
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| 02:53.11 | mhall | !tell Ardi -about kernel-package |
| 02:53.24 | mhall | Ardi: you'll need to rebuild your kernel with that option disabled |
| 02:53.52 | mhall | Ardi: you can either do it manually if you know how or optionally you can do it with the procedure i dpkg-pasted you about the kernel-package package |
| 02:54.15 | thully | fox__ - try installing build-essential (apt-get install build-essential) and linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 02:54.46 | thully | it looks like you're missing those - you also may need to rebuild the kernel as mentioned above... |
| 02:55.36 | cplx__-- | has anyone here ever worked with postfix & IMSS? |
| 02:55.42 | fox__ | k, installed that, let me check... it was modprobe that failed on it before |
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| 02:55.47 | cplx__-- | InterScan Messaging Security Suite |
| 02:55.48 | krazykit | !tell cplx__-- about ask |
| 02:55.49 | thully | Out of curiosity, what card is it? MANY cards don't have drivers in Etch but still have drivers that can be built separately |
| 02:55.50 | Ardi | this is going to be fun :P thnx mhall |
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| 02:55.56 | fox__ | I've had it work before |
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| 02:55.59 | fox__ | but my hard drive crashed |
| 02:56.01 | fox__ | and I forgot how I did it |
| 02:56.07 | mhall | Ardi: sorry about that man... but it's the way it goes... :-( |
| 02:56.09 | fox__ | TNet TEW-421PC |
| 02:56.19 | fox__ | yeah, I know |
| 02:56.29 | mhall | !nickometer cplx__-- |
| 02:56.32 | dpkg | 'cplx__--' is 99.850% lame, mhall |
| 02:56.33 | mhall | oof |
| 02:56.44 | fox__ | shit |
| 02:56.50 | cplx__-- | Hi guys.. i have message_size_limits set in main.cf and postfix has been reloaded.. im still getting boucnes saying the message has |
| 02:56.52 | fox__ | FATA: Module ndiswrapper not found. |
| 02:56.53 | cplx__-- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:57.40 | Supaplex | are you trying to use smtp in place of ftp? |
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| 02:58.28 | PalaWan | Hi all |
| 02:58.32 | PalaWan | I need help |
| 02:58.37 | _tcc | If my disk contains free unused space and I have one primary ext3 partition, how can I utilize that space? |
| 02:58.46 | Supaplex | !tell PalaWan -about ask |
| 02:58.46 | _tcc | Can I somehow append it? |
| 02:58.59 | PalaWan | need to make debian and winblows connect to each other in a lan |
| 02:59.04 | Supaplex | _tcc: resize2fs? |
| 02:59.24 | krazykit | _tcc, yes, you can grow the partition, assuming the free space is directly following the partition |
| 02:59.34 | _tcc | I was using gparted when working on my friends disk. Resizing does not have the effect I am looking for. |
| 02:59.47 | thully | fox__ - did you do a make install after the build? |
| 02:59.49 | cplx__-- | Hi guys.. i have message_size_limits set in main.cf and postfix has been reloaded.. im still getting boucnes saying the message has exceeded advertised limit, any idea? |
| 02:59.59 | simonrvn | #postfix |
| 03:00.01 | fox__ | I downloaded the binary package before |
| 03:00.05 | fox__ | but first I tried the source |
| 03:00.07 | fox__ | and it failed |
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| 03:00.40 | fox__ | yep, still has the same thing |
| 03:00.43 | PalaWan | I need debian to temporally share a windows box. I feel lost. Anybody, help! |
| 03:00.44 | _tcc | The disk is partitioned into hda1 (/) hda2 (music) and free space. |
| 03:00.50 | _tcc | And swap. Of course. |
| 03:01.00 | fox__ | "make: *** [prereq_check] Error 1" |
| 03:01.04 | Supaplex | cplx__--: what's the message size? |
| 03:01.07 | _tcc | I needed a place to put the music during the install. |
| 03:01.18 | _tcc | So I moved it into another partition. |
| 03:02.12 | mhall | _tcc: hmm could be a little tricky.. how big of a drive are we talking |
| 03:02.31 | _tcc | 50? |
| 03:02.31 | mhall | _tcc: gbs? |
| 03:02.34 | cplx__-- | Supaplex: 20mb |
| 03:02.45 | cplx__-- | message_size_limit is set to 250000 |
| 03:02.46 | _tcc | Hold on, move the music to the primary partition (hda1) and then free that up...etc..etc? |
| 03:02.49 | cplx__-- | = 25mb |
| 03:02.55 | cplx__-- | roughly |
| 03:02.56 | mhall | _tcc: if that primary has room, sure |
| 03:02.57 | cplx__-- | not exactly |
| 03:02.58 | Supaplex | cplx__--: people should use 'some other means' than smtp to send large files. |
| 03:03.02 | _tcc | mhall, it does. |
| 03:03.13 | mhall | _tcc: move it to primary... then empty out music partition and remove from /etc/fstab |
| 03:03.16 | cplx__-- | Supaplex: i've been instructed to set it up this way, i agree it shouldnt but yeah. |
| 03:03.16 | _tcc | mhall, after I do that...how do I proceed in extending that one? |
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| 03:03.27 | mhall | _tcc: then you could use knoppix to run resize2fs |
| 03:03.37 | mhall | _tcc: of course if you can back up first just in case |
| 03:03.39 | _tcc | I'll try it. |
| 03:03.46 | Supaplex | !gparted |
| 03:03.46 | dpkg | i heard gparted is the GNOME partition editor, which uses libparted (ask me about <parted>) and other optional filesystem tools. Install "ntfsprogs" to enable NTFS support and "dosfstools" for FAT16/32 support. |
| 03:03.59 | Supaplex | _tcc: there's a live cd for this to ^^^ |
| 03:04.08 | mhall | _tcc: for the record i grew an xfs one time and that worked ok |
| 03:04.16 | mhall | _tcc: but i never tried ext2/3 |
| 03:04.33 | cplx__-- | Supaplex: any idea mate? |
| 03:04.35 | Supaplex | I resize ext3 all the time. works great. :) |
| 03:04.38 | thully | fox__ - looks like you're missing some dependencies for building ndiswrapper - make sure build-essential and linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 are installed, and maybe try again using the ndiswrapper-source package |
| 03:04.48 | mhall | _tcc: you might need to run tune2fs -j to remake the journal, ask Supaplex about that, sounds like he did the before |
| 03:04.48 | _tcc | Okay. Thanks. I'm going to try it. |
| 03:04.57 | fox__ | I installed both of those, like you mentioned before |
| 03:05.00 | PalaWan | hell, i need help with networking. Just that (and maybe some paging stuff but not atm) |
| 03:05.00 | Supaplex | cplx__--: try a smaller value to see if it's even set right. get it to break the other direction to see if it's paying attention to your setting |
| 03:05.15 | thully | after installing ndiswrapper-source, you could also install module-assistant and then try "m-a a-i ndiswrapper". |
| 03:05.19 | _tcc | mhall, are those part of some sort of filesystem suite? |
| 03:05.29 | _tcc | resize2fs, tune2fs.... |
| 03:05.36 | mhall | _tcc: ya they are little ext2 and ext3 utilities |
| 03:05.40 | fox__ | I have module-assistant |
| 03:05.46 | mhall | _tcc: most rescue utilities are already in knoppix |
| 03:05.46 | Supaplex | _tcc: peek in /sbin/ :) |
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| 03:05.51 | mhall | _tcc: so i usually use that |
| 03:06.03 | mhall | _tcc: usually you can't do the resize while the fs is mounted |
| 03:06.07 | thully | try using the package, then, and m-a a-i ndiswrapper (you may need to be in /usr/src to do this) |
| 03:06.09 | mhall | _tcc: hence how knoppix becomes helpful |
| 03:06.24 | Mitchbbaker | hey my system won't shut down properly it gets to around hfsa and suspends and jjust sits there |
| 03:06.34 | mhall | hey has anybody else had a problem with dual opteron boards missing i/o devices in 2.6.21.xx? |
| 03:06.56 | mhall | my workstation will not boot in 2.6.21.xx because some of the sata controllers don't initialize |
| 03:07.07 | fox__ | kk, I get the following in a framebuffer window: "Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use." |
| 03:07.13 | Supaplex | mhall: my kernel is missing dual optron boards. can you send me a spare one to test it on? ;) |
| 03:07.20 | mhall | Supaplex: ehehe |
| 03:07.35 | mhall | Supaplex: this was how i rewarded myself last year for getting a job before i graduated |
| 03:07.44 | Supaplex | cool beans |
| 03:07.48 | PalaWan | is there any kind of policy that you ignore a fucker cause he asked if he could ask or somethin? |
| 03:07.48 | thully | fox__ - I dunno how to configure ndiswrapper, though, as I don't use it - I use madwifi for my card (and I thought THAT was bad...) |
| 03:07.51 | mhall | Supaplex: i decided after all the BS i had to do it was time for an atta-boy |
| 03:08.00 | Supaplex | :) |
| 03:08.02 | fox__ | yeah, it seems like it really sucks |
| 03:08.05 | fox__ | when it doesn't work |
| 03:08.13 | fox__ | I'm just stumped as to how it could have been so easy before |
| 03:08.15 | fox__ | and suck so much now |
| 03:08.35 | Mitchbbaker | so any ideas? |
| 03:08.36 | stoned | PalaWan: wtf |
| 03:08.39 | mhall | further proof gigabit ethernet is here to stay for a long time... |
| 03:08.46 | mhall | wireless just totally blows goats |
| 03:08.47 | stoned | I haven't passed out yet |
| 03:08.52 | mhall | stoned: lol |
| 03:08.55 | stoned | lol, blows goats |
| 03:08.59 | mhall | stoned: just didn't wanna chat with us eh? |
| 03:09.05 | PalaWan | stoned: I need help with bridging a winbox with linux |
| 03:09.07 | stoned | I like goats, little goats |
| 03:09.09 | fox__ | blows goats unless you want to move your computer around |
| 03:09.18 | thully | fox__ - did you try m-a a-i ndiswrapper? |
| 03:09.28 | fox__ | yep, threw the error I mentioned above |
| 03:09.32 | mhall | fox__: lol it still blows them then too... ;) |
| 03:09.34 | Supaplex | PalaWan: are you bridging wireless and wired? |
| 03:09.37 | stoned | I dunno nuthin' bout 'puters |
| 03:09.38 | PalaWan | wired |
| 03:10.02 | fox__ | shitshitshit I bet this install is already no longer sane |
| 03:10.06 | fox__ | this computer is god awful |
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| 03:10.09 | Supaplex | PalaWan: how do you want to get these two systems talking to each other? |
| 03:10.15 | mhall | fox__: what is it so i can avoid that brand |
| 03:10.15 | stoned | mhall: /me jams to Fear Factory |
| 03:10.26 | PalaWan | I need to get internet access from a windows box that has 2 network cards (one is free) |
| 03:10.28 | fox__ | it's an old dell C600 I bought for 20 dollars off of craigslist |
| 03:10.30 | m1ke_l | apt-get install --ignore-missing isn't ignoring missing dependacies |
| 03:10.34 | m1ke_l | what am i missing? |
| 03:10.34 | PalaWan | so I can install debian with netinstall |
| 03:10.38 | stoned | PalaWan: #networking |
| 03:10.44 | Supaplex | PalaWan: ##windows |
| 03:10.45 | mhall | PalaWan: what kind of windows bro |
| 03:10.46 | stoned | PalaWan: ##windows |
| 03:10.56 | PalaWan | XP |
| 03:11.28 | Supaplex | PalaWan: it's called 'internet connection sharing' - and it's a cheap hack that'll get you by :) ask them about it. |
| 03:11.31 | mhall | PalaWan: no brainer... http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics_xp |
| 03:11.46 | thully | Palawan - I figure you would just start internet connection sharing and use a crossover cable between the machines... |
| 03:11.51 | mhall | PalaWan: like Supaplex said it's bad but it'll do the job |
| 03:12.19 | mhall | PalaWan: try without crossover cable... might work if you are lucky... otherwise go with hub, switch, or crossover cable as appropriate for what you have on hand |
| 03:12.26 | PalaWan | thully: I actually have a crossover cable |
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| 03:12.43 | PalaWan | just dunno how to make these boxes recognize each other |
| 03:12.47 | mhall | PalaWan: dude you're set... only trick for you is figuring out how to use the english directions in spanish windows |
| 03:12.54 | dewey | good day mates |
| 03:12.55 | mhall | PalaWan: follow the link i pasted and get to it! |
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| 03:13.02 | dewey | my update went fine finally! |
| 03:13.11 | stoned | wow |
| 03:13.14 | mhall | stoned: ? |
| 03:13.15 | stoned | I have breasts |
| 03:13.17 | stoned | and they are soft |
| 03:13.35 | Supaplex | !smack stoned's breasts |
| 03:13.38 | mhall | stoned: hopefully they are somebody else's you are borrowing |
| 03:13.40 | stoned | I should start working out |
| 03:13.45 | stoned | get some barrel sized pecs |
| 03:13.49 | mhall | stoned: gah, apparently not |
| 03:13.52 | stoned | hehe |
| 03:13.59 | stoned | I'm 160lbs now man |
| 03:14.02 | stoned | I gained some fat lately |
| 03:14.14 | mhall | speaking of odd people saying odd things, i better go read bash.org for some updates |
| 03:14.20 | stoned | lol |
| 03:14.22 | Supaplex | i'm 160lb to. but I'm 6'4" :P |
| 03:14.30 | stoned | im 6 |
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| 03:14.37 | simonrvn | i keep trying to gain weight, and it never happens |
| 03:14.38 | Supaplex | you're hardly fat then |
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| 03:14.56 | Mitchbbaker | hey my system won't shut down properly it gets to around hfsa and suspends and just sits there |
| 03:14.58 | stoned | Supaplex: I used to have an 8 pack, now its a 2 pack |
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| 03:15.16 | simonrvn | winter storage |
| 03:15.20 | stoned | lol |
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| 03:15.27 | Supaplex | Mitchbbaker: try using update-rc.d to disable that part as a workaround. |
| 03:15.34 | Mitchbbaker | ta |
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| 03:15.45 | stoned | what an odd fellow |
| 03:15.47 | stoned | 'ta'? |
| 03:15.49 | loupgaroublond | stoned, if that's all you have left, i think it's time to buy more beer ;) |
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| 03:15.58 | stoned | loupgaroublond: no man, abs |
| 03:16.04 | Supaplex | !beer stoned |
| 03:16.09 | fox__ | dammit. I'm just going to nuke this entire install and start over. I swear to god I am cursed. |
| 03:16.10 | stoned | thankies |
| 03:16.18 | loupgaroublond | and ta = thank you :) |
| 03:16.20 | thully | fox__ - maybe try uninstalling and reinstalling the headers, build-essential, and ndiswrapper... |
| 03:16.20 | fox__ | thanks a lot for the suggestions thully, I appreciate it |
| 03:16.21 | stoned | if you keep feeding me beer i'll get fatter |
| 03:16.28 | Supaplex | fox__: operator error. fire them! |
| 03:16.29 | stoned | ahh |
| 03:16.31 | fox__ | :) |
| 03:16.33 | stoned | well thats not odd |
| 03:16.35 | fox__ | I might try that first |
| 03:16.39 | Mitchbbaker | ta = thatnk you |
| 03:16.41 | Mitchbbaker | *thank |
| 03:16.44 | loupgaroublond | it's all carbs, good sugars for the muscles, good if you're lifting weights |
| 03:16.44 | mhall | simonrvn: 'lo |
| 03:16.46 | stoned | what language |
| 03:16.49 | fox__ | laters |
| 03:16.53 | mhall | loupgaroublond: protein |
| 03:16.54 | simonrvn | hi mhall |
| 03:17.01 | Mitchbbaker | its slang |
| 03:17.14 | loupgaroublond | mhall, that too |
| 03:17.17 | stoned | ok its odd again |
| 03:17.20 | Mitchbbaker | hmm i am a linux newb how exactly do i use it? |
| 03:17.34 | mhall | Mitchbbaker: ehehe. what's the matter specifically? |
| 03:17.43 | loupgaroublond | i read alot once about training the body to put sugars in, and take them out of the muscles |
| 03:17.44 | matju | on Debian, I have something that rotates my logs, but i look at the conf of logrotate, and the defaults don't match what is happening to e.g. /var/log/mail.log, and i don't find anything related to that file in the conf file, so i ask, is there another log rotator than "logrotate" ? |
| 03:17.47 | mhall | Mitchbbaker: and what are you trying to do with it |
| 03:17.50 | Mitchbbaker | my system won't shut down properly it gets to around hfsa and suspends and just sits ther |
| 03:17.51 | Supaplex | read all the man pages ;) |
| 03:17.59 | Mitchbbaker | might be the next one though |
| 03:18.07 | mhall | Mitchbbaker: how old of a computer? |
| 03:18.14 | Mitchbbaker | at least 4 years |
| 03:18.18 | Mitchbbaker | i got it second hand |
| 03:18.28 | Mitchbbaker | it used to shut down fine |
| 03:18.38 | loupgaroublond | it might not have power management setup properly |
| 03:18.38 | mhall | Mitchbbaker: hmm something may have been corrupted |
| 03:18.45 | Mitchbbaker | oh ok |
| 03:18.49 | mhall | Mitchbbaker: do you do the installation yourself or did it come with one? |
| 03:18.52 | mhall | loupgaroublond: but it used to work |
| 03:18.54 | Mitchbbaker | self |
| 03:18.59 | Mitchbbaker | netinst |
| 03:19.04 | mhall | Mitchbbaker: what version |
| 03:19.11 | Mitchbbaker | latest |
| 03:19.27 | Mitchbbaker | the iso was downloaded less than a moth ago |
| 03:19.31 | stoned | latest stable? |
| 03:19.34 | Mitchbbaker | yes |
| 03:19.37 | Mitchbbaker | etchy |
| 03:19.42 | stoned | its etch |
| 03:19.45 | stoned | lol |
| 03:19.46 | stoned | cute |
| 03:19.48 | Mitchbbaker | etch even XD |
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| 03:20.23 | Mitchbbaker | anyways so what can i do to fix it? |
| 03:20.36 | stoned | fix what? |
| 03:20.43 | Mitchbbaker | my system won't shut down properly it gets to around hfsa and suspends and just sits ther |
| 03:20.49 | Mitchbbaker | *there |
| 03:21.07 | Mitchbbaker | ie it says system suspended and stops |
| 03:21.13 | Mitchbbaker | doesn't turn off |
| 03:21.30 | stoned | hmm |
| 03:21.31 | cplx__-- | Hi guys.. i have message_size_limits set in main.cf and postfix has been reloaded.. im still getting boucnes saying the message has exceeded advertised limit, any idea? |
| 03:21.36 | stoned | i dunno man |
| 03:21.45 | stoned | i dunno nuthin' bout nuthin' |
| 03:21.49 | Mitchbbaker | ok |
| 03:22.01 | Mitchbbaker | anyone else gat any ideas? |
| 03:22.04 | Mitchbbaker | *got |
| 03:22.07 | loupgaroublond | Mitchbbaker, do you know if apm or acpi userspace tools got uninstalled? |
| 03:22.12 | Supaplex | cplx__--: did the problem get worse when you made the message size smaller? |
| 03:22.24 | Mitchbbaker | loupgaroublond: no idea what are thet? |
| 03:22.30 | Mitchbbaker | *they |
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| 03:22.53 | loupgaroublond | Mitchbbaker, those handle power management, apm is the old spec, your machine might still use it, though not likely, acpi is the newer spec |
| 03:23.05 | Mitchbbaker | ok |
| 03:23.16 | loupgaroublond | that said, i've never had a problem with either of them in debian, so i'm not sure i have an answer |
| 03:23.28 | Mitchbbaker | oh ok |
| 03:24.09 | Mitchbbaker | well i have only uninstalled packages i installed |
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| 03:24.15 | Mitchbbaker | so probably not |
| 03:24.22 | slacker403 | need some help |
| 03:24.24 | loupgaroublond | make sure you have the packages acpi-support, acpid, and acpi installed |
| 03:24.29 | Mitchbbaker | ok |
| 03:24.34 | slacker403 | does last mean just people who actually logged in ? |
| 03:24.46 | slacker403 | or failed logins ? |
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| 03:26.23 | Mitchbbaker | hmm i seem to have acpi- support |
| 03:26.50 | grew | is there any way to make the gtk file browser now show dot files/dirs by default? |
| 03:27.01 | Mitchbbaker | or not.. hmmm |
| 03:27.15 | Mitchbbaker | install it> |
| 03:27.17 | Mitchbbaker | *? |
| 03:28.16 | loupgaroublond | Mitchbbaker, yeah, though no guarantees of course |
| 03:28.20 | Mitchbbaker | okies |
| 03:28.24 | Mitchbbaker | its installing now |
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| 03:29.21 | Mitchbbaker | done |
| 03:29.33 | mhall | christ, wtmp and utmp are gross |
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| 03:30.45 | Supaplex | nasty tasting eh? |
| 03:30.45 | Mitchbbaker | so now what? |
| 03:31.28 | loupgaroublond | do you have sudo installed? or can you get to a root terminal? |
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| 03:32.04 | Mitchbbaker | i have root |
| 03:32.13 | Mitchbbaker | well root shell |
| 03:32.25 | Mitchbbaker | and i think sudo is installed |
| 03:32.51 | loupgaroublond | ok, so at a root shell, do: /etc/init.d/acpid restart && /etc/init.d/acpi-support restart |
| 03:33.07 | Mitchbbaker | ok |
| 03:33.18 | loupgaroublond | that's just for good measure, it makes sure the userspace daemons are running in the background |
| 03:33.27 | loupgaroublond | now, just give it a shot |
| 03:33.29 | Mitchbbaker | it jumped to the next line |
| 03:33.41 | loupgaroublond | no error? |
| 03:33.43 | Mitchbbaker | nope |
| 03:33.43 | mhall | Supaplex: was reading the manpage for them... HIDEOUS... violate all the unix conventions for config files and DBs |
| 03:33.48 | loupgaroublond | no news is good news :) |
| 03:33.56 | Mitchbbaker | cool i thought so |
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| 03:34.09 | Supaplex | mhall: so glad I haven't messed with it. :) |
| 03:34.17 | Mitchbbaker | man using linux makes me feel computer illeiterate |
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| 03:34.40 | Mitchbbaker | or however you spell it |
| 03:34.47 | lightning | how do you permanently set "xset m 5 1" with a wm? |
| 03:35.17 | loupgaroublond | Mitchbbaker, have a look at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/index.en.html |
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| 03:35.26 | Mitchbbaker | will do |
| 03:35.31 | loupgaroublond | if you have a pda, it's good bathroom reading -_- |
| 03:35.54 | stoned | Robert Freitas is developing an artificial red blood cell able to deliver 236 times more oxygen to tissues than natural red blood cells. Freitas predicts his device will be used to treat anaemia and lung disorders, but also will enhance human performance in sport and warfare. |
| 03:35.54 | Mitchbbaker | lol i don't but ill have a god look |
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| 03:36.27 | _tcc | Sounds like increased cognition too. |
| 03:36.28 | Mitchbbaker | *good |
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| 03:36.32 | stoned | notice... warfare |
| 03:36.51 | Mitchbbaker | hmm yes |
| 03:36.52 | _tcc | That can mean anything. |
| 03:36.59 | _tcc | More specifically cognition. |
| 03:37.06 | stoned | what? |
| 03:37.49 | lightning | how do you permanently xset m 5 1 |
| 03:37.57 | stoned | increased oxygen == euphoria |
| 03:38.02 | stoned | not increased cognition |
| 03:38.09 | Mitchbbaker | dunno myself lightning does anyone else? |
| 03:38.10 | stoned | hehe |
| 03:38.17 | lightning | how do you run synaptic? |
| 03:38.21 | lightning | sudo synaptik |
| 03:38.34 | lightning | soku synaptic |
| 03:38.40 | stoned | lightning: sudo synaptic |
| 03:38.43 | _tcc | stoned. according to? |
| 03:38.47 | Supaplex | sudoku ;) |
| 03:39.05 | _tcc | is boring |
| 03:39.19 | stoned | _tcc: thats why they give you oxygen masks in airplanes when its bad. Large gulps of oxygen make you euphoric. You panic less |
| 03:39.21 | _tcc | I don't understand the benefit to placing numbers into columns and rows. |
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| 03:39.40 | stoned | according to mr. durden |
| 03:39.43 | stoned | not I |
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| 03:40.07 | Mitchbbaker | well thanks for the help ill find out if it worked tonight when i shut down |
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| 03:40.53 | _tcc | Increased oxygen to the brain will most likely increase cognition. It's been shown that "human calculators" often times have a larger amount of oxygen being supplied to parts of the brain than normal people do. |
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| 03:41.16 | _tcc | You'll be more alert. |
| 03:42.00 | stoned | you know what I'm thinking |
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| 03:42.06 | _tcc | Yes. |
| 03:42.12 | stoned | with that artificial red blood cell |
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| 03:42.16 | stoned | you couldn't eat like |
| 03:42.16 | _tcc | Supaplex, don't do that. We're gonna splode. |
| 03:42.20 | stoned | really hot spicey food |
| 03:42.28 | stoned | you'd just spontaneously combust |
| 03:43.07 | lightning | what if i don't have an .xinitrc file |
| 03:43.10 | lightning | .xsession? |
| 03:44.57 | loupgaroublond | the system will try to use some default alternative, read the man pages to find out more |
| 03:47.02 | jetscreamer | you don't have one by defaule |
| 03:47.03 | Supaplex | touch ~/.xinitrc |
| 03:47.07 | jetscreamer | you create them |
| 03:47.24 | stoned | hey jetscreamer |
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| 03:47.39 | jetscreamer | hey dude |
| 03:47.44 | Supaplex | where's my car |
| 03:47.47 | stoned | lol |
| 03:48.02 | stoned | where's your car dude? |
| 03:48.07 | stoned | that movie was dumb |
| 03:48.20 | stoned | worst stoner movie ever |
| 03:48.20 | jetscreamer | which one, i have 5 |
| 03:48.34 | stoned | im not that rich |
| 03:48.36 | stoned | I only have 1 |
| 03:48.44 | jetscreamer | they all suck |
| 03:48.57 | jetscreamer | but they all run |
| 03:49.08 | lightning | so create ~/.xinitrc |
| 03:49.21 | jetscreamer | i'm gonna put at least one in the auction |
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| 03:50.09 | jetscreamer | well i just rebuilt my front end so mine doesn't suck |
| 03:50.48 | jetscreamer | [22.47.04] <Supaplex> touch ~/.xinitrc |
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| 03:51.04 | lightning | what does touch mean? create? |
| 03:51.12 | jetscreamer | man touch |
| 03:51.24 | jetscreamer | but yes creates an empty file |
| 03:51.55 | lightning | can i request something be added to the debian repo |
| 03:52.32 | lightning | icewm-menu-gnome1, icewm-control-panel |
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| 03:54.52 | jetscreamer | you can ask |
| 03:55.03 | lightning | where |
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| 03:59.41 | diafic | Right, half the sliders from volume control has gone |
| 03:59.43 | jetscreamer | reportbug but make it a wish list item |
| 03:59.46 | diafic | and everything is really quiet |
| 03:59.52 | diafic | what did I do wrong this time? |
| 03:59.53 | jetscreamer | or whatever |
| 04:00.06 | diafic | actually, brb |
| 04:00.15 | jetscreamer | try finding the settings for... your mixer.... |
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| 04:02.10 | jetscreamer | try finding the settings for... your mixer.... |
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| 04:02.29 | jetscreamer | and enabling the sliders |
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| 04:16.18 | wlwireless | Thought of getting a HP F370 all-in-1 inkjet printer. anyone knows if it works with Linux, say, there is a driver for it? |
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| 04:18.59 | matju | on Debian, I have something that rotates my logs, but i look at the conf of logrotate, and the defaults don't match what is happening to e.g. /var/log/mail.log, and i don't find anything related to that file in the conf file, so i ask, is there another log rotator than "logrotate" which might be running? |
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| 04:21.01 | hark | wlwireless: check linuxprinting.org |
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| 04:22.33 | wlwireless | hark, thks. |
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| 04:28.34 | EruditeHermit | hi, can anyone help me to force enable hpet on my kernel? |
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| 04:29.17 | Supaplex | !hpet |
| 04:29.32 | Supaplex | !listvals hpet |
| 04:29.33 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'hpet' by value returned no results. |
| 04:29.39 | Supaplex | pity. |
| 04:30.07 | hark | CONFIG_HPET=y by default |
| 04:32.02 | EruditeHermit | hark: but that'd mean a kernel recompile, is there a way to set it at boottime |
| 04:32.46 | hark | it's a custom kernel? |
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| 04:33.58 | EruditeHermit | hark: no its a default debian kernel |
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| 04:37.48 | EruditeHermit | hark: 2.6.21-2-686 |
| 04:39.31 | hark | yeah, have you been playing with powertop? ;) |
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| 04:40.03 | BUMBACL0T | when gettin ram, what should you get unbuffered/registered or what? |
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| 04:40.28 | jetscreamer | you don't want registered |
| 04:40.34 | Guerin | !test |
| 04:40.34 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 04:40.34 | lightning | it xset m isn't setting in .xinitrc, where else can i set it? |
| 04:40.36 | jetscreamer | just get some ocz or mushkin |
| 04:40.40 | BUMBACL0T | why not |
| 04:41.11 | jetscreamer | registered is different but i forget... read up on it. i think there's actually a howto or something on mushkin.com |
| 04:41.29 | Guerin | SeJo: you still haven't answered my questions. Can you /msg me? |
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| 04:42.23 | BUMBACL0T | ic |
| 04:42.41 | EruditeHermit | hark: yes |
| 04:42.43 | jetscreamer | heh... http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/advisor/ |
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| 04:49.15 | lightning | how can i make a startup for xset m? |
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| 04:51.14 | EruditeHermit | brb |
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| 04:52.53 | jetscreamer | in icewm create a fine named startup in ~/.icewm .. make it exectuable, and give it the form of a bash script #!/bin/bash at the top.. or is it !# |
| 04:53.24 | jetscreamer | s/fine/file/ |
| 04:53.58 | thully | hi - does anyone here know how to get X to stop using hideously ugly fonts on websites? Debian.org seems to be a good example of where these fonts are appearing... - especially the sidebar of the page |
| 04:54.13 | thully | I have bitmap fonts OFF and the autohinter on |
| 04:54.15 | jetscreamer | change the fonts |
| 04:54.19 | jetscreamer | in the browser |
| 04:54.37 | thully | That doesn't change all of them - only some |
| 04:54.55 | thully | the ones on debian.org (and some other sites) are stubborn |
| 04:56.09 | Guerin | thully: no problem here |
| 04:56.18 | rissy | hey, how do i fix the beryl "no composite extension" error in debian when trying to start beryl? |
| 04:56.24 | Guerin | thully: you can force any site to use your fonts in a sane browser |
| 04:56.28 | thully | does anyone know how to change the system "Sans", "serif", and "Mono" aliases. I HATE the fonts Debian uses for those by default... |
| 04:56.39 | Guerin | thully: you might also care to mention your browser, since it's 100% browser-specific |
| 04:56.56 | thully | Iceweasel :) |
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| 04:57.12 | Guerin | thully: edit > preferences |
| 04:57.16 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?q=font+deuglification+howto&restrict=linux |
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| 04:57.36 | gentoo_lover | for now, when we mount a ext3 system as ext2, there will be a warning.. It there a way to turn a ext3 file system purely an ext2? |
| 04:57.59 | jetscreamer | man tune2fs |
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| 04:58.28 | thully | OK - but what I'd really like to do is change the "Sans" , "Serif", and "Mono" system aliases to a font I prefer, so that the whole OS uses my preferred fonts |
| 04:58.35 | liable | remove the journal |
| 04:58.37 | Guerin | thully: so fucking change them |
| 04:58.49 | thully | how? |
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| 04:58.50 | Guerin | thully: there is no master setting for `the whole OS' |
| 04:58.54 | jetscreamer | i told you how |
| 04:59.04 | Guerin | each toolkit uses its own settings |
| 04:59.05 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
| 04:59.11 | aztec105 | hello all how doe I add a line such as this 'iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --destination-port 1863 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 16667 ' to iptables ? |
| 04:59.12 | jetscreamer | wrong guy i didn't tell you how |
| 04:59.31 | Guerin | aztec105: depends on your existing iptables setup |
| 04:59.52 | thully | Doesn't X11 have aliases for "Sans" "Mono" "serif" etc... ? It was my understanding it did... |
| 05:00.23 | EruditeHermit | hark: so any ideas? |
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| 05:00.29 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 05:00.29 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of rutabagas, a little cod liver oil, and a dozen three-legged hamsters. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 05:01.09 | thully | By default, GNOME, Iceweasel ,etc all appear to use such aliases (check the default settings and you'll see) |
| 05:01.35 | aztec105 | Guerin: if you you look at http://paste.debian.net/33435 this is my current iptables.up.rules |
| 05:01.38 | thully | But what I want to do is change the aliases themselves, rather than changing each app manually |
| 05:02.02 | Guerin | aztec105: WTF, you're using webmin? |
| 05:02.08 | Guerin | aztec105: you're insane. |
| 05:02.24 | aztec105 | Guerin: ah it has worked for me well for years |
| 05:03.01 | streuner | Guerin: insult regulars or OPs, but not newbies. |
| 05:03.17 | Guerin | streuner: hey, buddy, fuck you ;) |
| 05:03.23 | streuner | sure :-) |
| 05:03.39 | Guerin | aztec105: iyou're on your own with webmin. And god help you. |
| 05:03.47 | jetscreamer | !webmin |
| 05:03.47 | dpkg | i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality |
| 05:03.51 | aztec105 | Streuner: not really newb here but not a "regular" either :) |
| 05:04.04 | karsten | What's the SOP for passing architecture to a kernel build when cross-compiling? make ARCH=<value> <target> ? |
| 05:04.25 | Guerin | thully: mm, i'm not sure what sets those. |
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| 05:08.21 | aztec105 | Guerin: ok if one were not using webmin. what would one do |
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| 05:08.50 | Guerin | aztec105: one would paste that line into the existing iptables script one was running |
| 05:09.07 | Guerin | aztec105: it's just a shell command |
| 05:09.32 | Guerin | hm, is there a free flash which can do youtube yet? |
| 05:10.01 | streuner | there is a version from adobe and a free version |
| 05:10.04 | aztec105 | Guerin: ok thanks for your time |
| 05:10.05 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: you don't need flash to do youtube |
| 05:10.15 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: oh, bravo. How, then? |
| 05:10.17 | streuner | there is also a download - youtube thingie |
| 05:10.24 | Guerin | that's what I need |
| 05:10.25 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: video downloader does it |
| 05:10.29 | karsten | streuner: gnash, maybe. |
| 05:10.37 | dondelelcaro | there may be a better thing than that too. |
| 05:10.40 | Guerin | who'd ever have thought youtube would be an important source of research data, but there it is |
| 05:10.43 | streuner | karsten: dl-youtube or such |
| 05:10.51 | karsten | Guerin: Just what are you researching? |
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| 05:11.24 | Guerin | karsten: same as ever - Clark Vader and the Helengrad Labour Lesbians |
| 05:11.30 | streuner | !info youtube-dl |
| 05:11.52 | bonii | !youtube-dl |
| 05:11.53 | Decepticon | Search could not be completed |
| 05:12.03 | karsten | Guerin: *serious* stuff. Had me worried there. |
| 05:12.14 | dpkg | youtube-dl: (download videos from youtube.com), section web, is extra. Version: 2007.06.22-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 05:12.26 | Guerin | karsten: "research" is not yet a euphemism for "pron" |
| 05:12.31 | Guerin | at least, not for me |
| 05:13.10 | Guerin | Decepticon: who owns you? |
| 05:13.50 | dondelelcaro | !info foo |
| 05:14.18 | Guerin | !foo |
| 05:14.19 | dpkg | i guess foo is probably the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html> and <bar>, also read RFC3092. |
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| 05:14.30 | dondelelcaro | !youtube-dl |
| 05:14.30 | Decepticon | Search could not be completed |
| 05:14.30 | Guerin | odd. |
| 05:14.35 | dondelelcaro | there we go |
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| 05:14.59 | dondelelcaro | Decepticon: whoever your owner is, please don't respond to ! |
| 05:15.35 | Caelum | can you switch from X to a virtual console with a command? My keyboard stopped responding in X and I'm sshd in... |
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| 05:17.02 | Guerin | streuner: dondelelcaro: awesome, thanks. |
| 05:17.14 | Guerin | for the youtube-dl |
| 05:17.20 | dondelelcaro | np |
| 05:17.29 | Guerin | free software FTW |
| 05:17.41 | Guerin | that's several orders of magnitude cooler than the damn browser plugin |
| 05:17.42 | Caelum | Guerin: you can also use swfdec |
| 05:18.07 | Guerin | Caelum: i tried a few several months ago, they wouldn't don it |
| 05:18.10 | Guerin | or do it |
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| 05:19.59 | Caelum | Guerin: I'm using swfdec from git to view youtube stuff on amd64, since there's no flash for amd64 |
| 05:20.01 | liable | gah, trying to update a kernel over dial-up is proving unsurprisingly painfull |
| 05:20.58 | bonii | Caelum: To switch from X to virtual console you can use Ctrl+Alt+F1 and then to revert back Ctrl+Alt+F7 |
| 05:21.21 | Guerin | Caelum: mm, cool. |
| 05:22.07 | Caelum | bonii: my keyboard died in X, I tried that :( |
| 05:23.08 | bonii | Caelum: How are typing then?? |
| 05:23.20 | Caelum | bonii: ssh |
| 05:23.25 | Caelum | from another box |
| 05:24.56 | karsten | Guerin: Well, what are you waiting for? We're counting on you to set the standards. |
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| 05:25.11 | Guerin | karsten: eh what huh? |
| 05:25.15 | EruditeHermit | hey, does anyone know how to force enable hpet on the default debian kernel at boot time? |
| 05:25.24 | Guerin | FYI, this was the video I was after: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB5NQdeEgwo |
| 05:25.43 | karsten | < Guerin> karsten: "research" is not yet a euphemism for "pron" |
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| 05:25.54 | bonii | Caelum: So you have ssh-ed into the machine where hthe keyboard on X died from another machine?? |
| 05:26.06 | Guerin | karsten: mm. Right. I don't really have much need for pr0n, I have a hot wife. |
| 05:26.12 | Caelum | bonii: yup |
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| 05:27.36 | bonii | Caelum: You can switch using the the command chvt to switch followed by the number viz 1,2,...7 |
| 05:27.47 | semprix | guys how do i upgrade my fluxbox using apt |
| 05:27.50 | semprix | ? |
| 05:27.57 | bonii | Caelum: How come the keyboard on X died?? |
| 05:27.58 | streuner | semprix: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 05:28.24 | semprix | streuner, ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 05:28.28 | Caelum | bonii: thank you! I have no idea, it just stopped responding, even numlock |
| 05:28.39 | thully | semprix: apt-get upgrade fluxbox should do it - though if you're running stable, you've already got the newest fluxbox that stable will give you... |
| 05:28.47 | streuner | semprix: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 05:29.02 | streuner | semprix: or look at backports.org for a backport |
| 05:29.05 | thully | semprix: may want to check backports in that case |
| 05:29.09 | bonii | Caelum: If you don't have anything important running on your X you could try restarting it. |
| 05:29.25 | bonii | Caelum: You could try restarting the gdm |
| 05:29.50 | bonii | Caelum: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 05:30.12 | thully | OK - so here's the Great Debian Question: What's more advisable for desktop use - stable, testing, or unstable? |
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| 05:30.55 | Bogus8 | where does samba store it's password file? |
| 05:31.09 | Bogus8 | or how do I check to see if a user is registered with samba |
| 05:31.18 | streuner | thully: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 05:32.07 | thully | I know about sid (I'm actually running it ATM to test) but am curious as to what people's opinions of it vs. testing vs. stable are |
| 05:32.57 | semprix | guys what backports? |
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| 05:33.04 | thully | backports.org |
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| 05:33.05 | streuner | thully: dpkg -l apt-listbugs |
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| 05:33.17 | streuner | !backports |
| 05:33.17 | dpkg | methinks backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 05:33.24 | Guerin | thully: sid is something you run when you like making work for yourself |
| 05:33.40 | Caelum | bonii: yeah it's probably time to reboot the machine... |
| 05:33.49 | Guerin | Bogus8: ask #samba |
| 05:34.03 | bonii | Caelum: No I meant restart the Xserver and gdm |
| 05:34.07 | Bogus8 | Guerin: really? something that simple? |
| 05:34.16 | Bogus8 | i googled but it leads me to false conclusions |
| 05:34.22 | Bogus8 | so I assume it can change with distro's |
| 05:34.32 | bonii | Caelum: You could try restarting the GNOME Desktop Manager. |
| 05:34.32 | Guerin | Bogus8: err. Yes. Trivial, huh. My consultancy fee is $150/hour. |
| 05:34.42 | Bogus8 | lol, understood |
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| 05:34.45 | thully | is testing much better? I had a feeling sid would occasionally "break your toys" (hence the name), but was unsure how it fared vs. testing |
| 05:34.46 | semprix | i dont get this part? I recommend you to pick out single backports which fits your needs, and not to use all backports available here. |
| 05:35.13 | Bogus8 | just thought someone might have that knowledge on the tip of their "fingers" and would prevent me from having to hop in a channel to leech info |
| 05:35.15 | streuner | semprix: well, you didnt read the instructions of backports.org then |
| 05:35.23 | Guerin | semprix: simple: if you need libfoo, use ONLY libfoo. |
| 05:35.38 | Guerin | semprix: it's the minimal force doctrine |
| 05:36.17 | semprix | streuner, got it |
| 05:36.20 | semprix | thanks guys |
| 05:37.09 | semprix | guys im having an error |
| 05:37.23 | semprix | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures |
| 05:37.49 | semprix | when running apt-get update |
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| 05:39.16 | streuner | semprix: ditto |
| 05:39.27 | streuner | streuner> semprix: well, you didnt read the instructions of backports.org then |
| 05:39.38 | semprix | ohh im sorry |
| 05:39.41 | semprix | yeah yeah |
| 05:39.42 | semprix | thank |
| 05:39.43 | semprix | s |
| 05:39.49 | semprix | its on the bottom most part |
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| 05:42.12 | kisielk | which package contains the documentation for the pthread functions? |
| 05:43.54 | kisielk | I have manpages-dev, but it doesn't seem to have the docs.. |
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| 05:45.31 | kisielk | which package has the pthreads manpages? |
| 05:45.36 | kisielk | I have manpages-dev installed |
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| 05:45.43 | kisielk | but doing 'man 3 pthread_create' gives me nothing |
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| 05:46.30 | cargohold | kisielk: thank the redhat idiots for that... |
| 05:46.35 | mosno | kisielk: use apt-file |
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| 05:46.53 | cargohold | kisielk: what a rack of morons |
| 05:46.58 | kisielk | cargohold: how so? |
| 05:47.19 | cargohold | kisielk: did they ever code anything of value themseleves ? |
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| 05:47.34 | kisielk | cargohold: what does that have to do with the location of the pthread manpages? |
| 05:47.54 | mosno | cargohold: i was under the vague impression they were major contributors to at least gcc and Gnome, I could be wrong |
| 05:48.21 | cargohold | kisielk: yould have had them installed already if some moron didnt decide for you that you may not be needing them (-dev lunacy) |
| 05:48.44 | cargohold | mosno: all they did so far was ruin glibc |
| 05:49.15 | cargohold | mosno: i like chkconfig though but i could have coded that in half a day |
| 05:49.34 | cargohold | the rest is coded in lame python shit |
| 05:49.46 | cargohold | Not of use |
| 05:50.14 | cargohold | I hope they can get some real coders now |
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| 05:50.29 | kisielk | cargohold: well ok, I don't care about that, I just want to know where the heck they are |
| 05:50.35 | cargohold | C/C++ not some panzy shit |
| 05:50.58 | liable | maybe you could show them how its done.. |
| 05:51.23 | cargohold | They seem to be gone |
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| 05:52.10 | cargohold | liable: We have already recoded all server guis and alot of stuff because we didnt like their lame codings one bit |
| 05:52.33 | cargohold | liable: Ops, they dont even come close |
| 05:53.04 | cargohold | http://www.gadmintools.org <- like it btw ? |
| 05:53.16 | Guerin | server ... guis .... does not compute |
| 05:53.25 | cargohold | Its even got pdf draughts |
| 05:53.30 | liable | kisielk: glibc-doc may have what you want |
| 05:53.53 | cargohold | Guerin: would you rather they use "Webmin" ? |
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| 05:54.11 | kisielk | liable: ah, that's the one |
| 05:54.23 | cargohold | Guerin: Open up 3 ports more then they need |
| 05:54.26 | Guerin | cargohold: i'd rather they use /bin/bash, but I'll admit I have no Idea what context you're atlking about |
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| 05:54.37 | Guerin | cargohold: one port is just as dangerous as 10000 ports |
| 05:54.41 | cargohold | Guerin: youre getting it now |
| 05:54.54 | cargohold | Guerin: My apps opens no port |
| 05:55.05 | Guerin | cargohold: neither does /bin/sh |
| 05:55.10 | kisielk | liable: at least _someone_ has a straight answer.. :) |
| 05:55.24 | cargohold | Guerin: Doesnt require any open ports (well, ssh if you want to remote admin some boxxes) |
| 05:55.37 | cargohold | Guerin: Check the site |
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| 05:57.13 | Guerin | i still don't see the improvement over the CLI |
| 05:57.15 | cargohold | Guerin: sexxi isnt it :=) |
| 05:57.16 | Guerin | but then |
| 05:57.19 | Guerin | i'm ornery that way |
| 05:57.45 | breanna_ | Is there a tool I can use to build many systems with the same packages on them? including some of my own .debs? |
| 05:58.14 | cargohold | Guerin: I began coding back in 1997.. im liking them myself |
| 05:58.41 | liable | !debian clone |
| 05:58.41 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
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| 05:59.08 | breanna_ | liable: beautiful! |
| 06:00.12 | cargohold | Zak@h105n2fls31o823.telia.com unlock this now! |
| 06:00.36 | cargohold | Its zakdood |
| 06:00.55 | liable | wtf are you talking about? |
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| 06:01.21 | cargohold | he has been devoiced |
| 06:01.35 | cargohold | liable: ssh |
| 06:01.59 | Guerin | ... |
| 06:03.22 | liable | yet another example of why not to irc whilst on crack |
| 06:03.36 | cargohold | liable> !debian clone | Debian Obomemophone! |
| 06:04.04 | cargohold | liable: You wanted to play sir ? |
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| 06:04.37 | Guerin | cargohold: step away from the bong |
| 06:04.42 | liable | the obomemophone? |
| 06:04.44 | cargohold | This one goes out to all the ravers and rockers in the nation !!! Wooh! :) |
| 06:05.07 | cargohold | libale: think.. :) |
| 06:05.33 | cargohold | Guerin: Beer, ice cold beer son ? |
| 06:05.51 | cargohold | Guerin: On my vacation! :) |
| 06:05.56 | cargohold | lol |
| 06:05.56 | Guerin | got one, thanks all the same ;) |
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| 06:06.04 | cargohold | Ill fax one right over |
| 06:06.07 | cargohold | :) |
| 06:06.43 | Supaplex | !beer #debian |
| 06:06.50 | Supaplex | ok, fight for it. |
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| 06:07.39 | Guerin | Supaplex: virtual guinness < real speight's |
| 06:07.45 | cargohold | Supaplex: Plus, if you have really tedious codings todo youll want some, belive me |
| 06:08.42 | cargohold | I admire translators more then me. Thats the hard work right there |
| 06:08.55 | cargohold | Well, almost |
| 06:09.03 | Guerin | yeh |
| 06:09.09 | Guerin | translation is teh pain |
| 06:09.12 | cargohold | Im not kidding though... they are hardcore |
| 06:09.16 | cargohold | Yeah |
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| 06:10.24 | cargohold | Someone has to do it and.. ok youll get credz but it can take an hour of if its a huge app it can take 2. Then you might do like 20 apps |
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| 06:10.39 | cargohold | of/or |
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| 06:11.10 | Guerin | the dreaded loldongs exploit |
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| 06:11.19 | cargohold | !rm t-4 cpe-70-112-179-239.austin.res.rr.com |
| 06:12.08 | cargohold | exo --rm --range=network |
| 06:12.26 | liable | yes, i wouldn't want to be exploited by longdongs.. |
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| 06:13.15 | cargohold | liable: remove that net in 3 minutes ? |
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| 06:13.42 | liable | eh? |
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| 06:14.04 | cargohold | remove that net in 2 minutes ? |
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| 06:14.44 | cargohold | remove that net in 1 minutes ? |
| 06:14.59 | cargohold | !rm -h |
| 06:15.01 | streuner | !ops tehtank@cpe-70-112-179-239.austin.res.rr.com spamming us |
| 06:15.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: streuner complains about: tehtank@cpe-70-112-179-239.austin.res.rr.com spamming us |
| 06:15.11 | sebdah | Hi! How may I define multiple recipients in my virtual_maps file in postfix? |
| 06:15.18 | cargohold | Electricelf is nice |
| 06:15.26 | liable | poor longdongs cant even be a leet script kiddy |
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| 06:18.14 | Guerin | maybe the dreaded loldong did pwn me after all |
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| 06:19.16 | cargohold | Guerin: naah, check network sct |
| 06:19.18 | cargohold | act |
| 06:19.31 | Supaplex | !dcc send Guerin toys |
| 06:19.31 | dpkg | Sending a chainsaw to Guerin... |
| 06:19.39 | Supaplex | :P |
| 06:19.56 | cargohold | Supaplex: enablekeygen |
| 06:20.00 | cargohold | lol |
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| 06:20.14 | cargohold | symantec shit |
| 06:20.44 | solemnwarning | cargohold: enable31337ddosnodethingy |
| 06:20.53 | solemnwarning | :P |
| 06:21.02 | cargohold | solemnwarning: Have you a runny nose kiddie ? |
| 06:21.04 | cargohold | :P |
| 06:21.12 | solemnwarning | :( |
| 06:21.22 | cargohold | Oww, its all fun |
| 06:21.26 | cargohold | :) ? |
| 06:21.50 | Supaplex | until someone gets an eye poked out. then it's fun and games in the dark! wahouu! |
| 06:21.53 | cargohold | Snokums ? |
| 06:22.03 | solemnwarning | Supaplex: No, they it's lawsuits |
| 06:22.09 | solemnwarning | *then |
| 06:22.21 | cargohold | solemnwarning: for what ? |
| 06:22.39 | solemnwarning | Poking an eye out! |
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| 06:22.42 | cargohold | Seamon - teh - lemonfrog :P |
| 06:22.58 | solemnwarning | It's clearly the richest person near you's fault! |
| 06:23.18 | solemnwarning | *gives himself a paper cut in the presence of gates* |
| 06:23.24 | cargohold | slay some poor bitches then :P |
| 06:23.46 | cargohold | But.. better yet, have sex with them |
| 06:24.07 | cargohold | Sexxitem up |
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| 06:25.03 | cargohold | ;) |
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| 06:26.33 | tengulre | which website provide flash video? |
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| 06:27.48 | liable | youtube |
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| 06:29.03 | tengulre | liable: it's too slowly! |
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| 06:29.39 | liable | whaaat? |
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| 06:29.58 | desper | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:30.00 | cargohold | liable: its way fastly omgf! |
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| 06:31.05 | yxa | anyone knows of a site that tells me how to create a debian boot cd that can partition and then just dump a whole precompiled system in? |
| 06:31.10 | Guerin | !srss |
| 06:31.35 | Guerin | yxa: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
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| 06:33.58 | cargohold | Uniting Nations! |
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| 06:34.09 | cargohold | Sexxiteh |
| 06:35.08 | tengulre | liable: my mean is viste it too slowly , do you know other one? |
| 06:35.10 | tengulre | ;) |
| 06:35.39 | Guerin | WTF |
| 06:35.49 | jzu | uh hi. |
| 06:35.52 | jzu | damn Im borreed |
| 06:35.54 | Guerin | beople are heavily on the chop tonight |
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| 06:37.30 | jzu | it's 09:37am here :) |
| 06:37.42 | jzu | maybe I should run dist-upgrade on my server. |
| 06:38.01 | jzu | oe uh, upgrade I meant :) |
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| 06:40.02 | sciboy | Hello, I was wondering if anyone knew a way to default NetworkManager to offline/disabling the network? |
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| 06:44.01 | Guerin | sciboy: why use network manager for that? |
| 06:44.24 | Guerin | sciboy: man interfaces - hint: leave out `auto' |
| 06:44.27 | sciboy | Geurin: Easy access to disabling and reenabling the network through the systray applet. |
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| 06:44.57 | vargran | hi everyone! |
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| 06:46.04 | vargran | I've updated kernel from 2.6.8 to 2.6.18 and lost sound :( eveyrthing works, no error messages, but no sound. I've resinstalled alsa-base etc... but still no effect. What am I doing wrong |
| 06:46.05 | vargran | ? |
| 06:46.17 | Guerin | vargran: /msg dpkg audio |
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| 06:48.41 | Edulix | hi |
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| 06:48.59 | Edulix | I've got6 a problem with my ssh server: it seems it allows me only one sesion at a time |
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| 06:49.12 | Edulix | I need (I'm doing port forwading) more than one at once |
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| 06:51.30 | WW-8 | DCC SEND loldongsloldongsloldongslol 0 0 0 |
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| 06:52.35 | vargran | Guerin, didn't help at all :( |
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| 06:52.43 | Guerin | !audio |
| 06:52.43 | dpkg | [audio] if you are running woody, consider upgrading,ask me about <woody audio> |
| 06:52.47 | enouf | nice one |
| 06:52.49 | Guerin | bah, stupid |
| 06:52.51 | Guerin | !sound |
| 06:52.51 | dpkg | somebody said sound was ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://wiki.debian.org/UseSoundCard |
| 06:53.00 | Guerin | vargran: try that one ;) |
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| 06:53.11 | Guerin | dpkg, no, audio is <reply> see sound |
| 06:53.11 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 06:53.13 | enouf | ww-8 didn't even know to use caps |
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| 06:53.58 | enouf | !alsa checklist |
| 06:53.58 | dpkg | alsa-checklist is probably 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 06:54.12 | Edulix | ssh server allows me only one connection, why? |
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| 06:55.30 | lightning | where is debian's startup script located? |
| 06:55.38 | Guerin | lightning: which one? |
| 06:55.49 | Guerin | Edulix: impossible to know without more data. |
| 06:56.38 | Edulix | Guerin: I can give you the sshd_config if you want, and ssh_config too |
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| 06:57.08 | Guerin | Edulix: the output of ssh -vvv user@host; for the second session would probably be more useful |
| 06:57.25 | Guerin | Edulix: but I'm not actually here |
| 06:57.34 | Guerin | (i'm making pizza and drinking beer) |
| 06:57.44 | Edulix | ok |
| 06:58.27 | lightning | Guerin: any, i'm running icewm and i put xset m 5 1 in .xsession, but it doesn't load on startup |
| 06:58.35 | lightning | it loads if i click it, but not on startup or login |
| 06:58.47 | Guerin | lightning: .xinitrc? |
| 06:58.55 | Guerin | lightning: how do you start x? |
| 06:58.58 | lightning | Guerin: didn't work there either |
| 06:59.13 | lightning | I'm not sure, i'm using gdm, but would like an autologin to icewm |
| 06:59.29 | lightning | if there's any step skipping in between |
| 06:59.36 | lightning | if you happen to know the answer |
| 06:59.37 | desper | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:59.49 | Guerin | lightning: i don't know how gdm does .xsession and such. try disabling it and using starts - if that works then ask someone how to configure gdm |
| 07:00.16 | Edulix | Guerin: just this: http://pastebin.ca/634173 |
| 07:00.23 | Guerin | desper: ask #srss or something |
| 07:00.43 | lightning | how do i disable gdm? |
| 07:00.48 | desper | Guerin: SRSS |
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| 07:01.24 | Guerin | desper: the outyput should be more useful. But I've never heard of srss, so I have no fucking clue what it might mean. |
| 07:01.53 | simonrvn | /etc/opt? looks like he built it himself |
| 07:01.56 | Guerin | Edulix: no idea. |
| 07:02.06 | Guerin | simonrvn: mm, true. |
| 07:02.21 | Guerin | desper: if you built it yourself, /msg dpkg NOFP |
| 07:02.30 | lightning | brb |
| 07:02.31 | lightning | exit |
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| 07:03.03 | desper | Guerin: i built it |
| 07:03.19 | rissy | how can i obtain a copy of pngtousplash? |
| 07:03.53 | simonrvn | !fgi rissy pngtousplash |
| 07:03.53 | dpkg | rissy: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=pngtousplash |
| 07:05.03 | rissy | rofl |
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| 07:07.20 | Bogus8 | anyone think it would be worth it to install LDAP in an office with 4 users and 6 computers (and a server) |
| 07:07.52 | Bogus8 | or should I just stick with peer to peer and a samba share |
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| 07:09.55 | lightning | Guerin: are you here |
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| 07:11.42 | desper | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:14.27 | magyar | hi how can i change 30 mbox-ses to Maildirs with mb2md ? |
| 07:15.22 | MoDaX | magyar: read manual? |
| 07:16.08 | Guerin | desper: we can't help you with self-compiled software. |
| 07:16.17 | Guerin | lightning: no. |
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| 07:21.08 | enouf | lightning: man update-alternatives, try update-alternatives --list x-window-manager and x-session-manager, use --config to change |
| 07:21.47 | desper | Guerin: i did't compiled that but i just run script |
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| 07:22.42 | enouf | lightning: (what i do is peek into /etc/alternatives, or update-alternatives<tab><tab> type stuff) .. you need sudo/su/root to use u-a |
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| 07:33.01 | lightning | enouf: are you talking about the auto login |
| 07:33.44 | enouf | lightning: disabling auto-login might help too.. i don't use gnome nor gdm .. see /etc/gdm perhaps |
| 07:33.59 | lightning | enouf: do you have to startx every time |
| 07:34.14 | enouf | lightning: though you shoold ne avle to set it up to load your default WM at aitologin |
| 07:34.21 | enouf | autologin* |
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| 07:35.01 | enouf | lightning: no, right now, i let kdm handle autologin for me |
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| 07:35.16 | liable | dont stop at just fixing the last typo :P |
| 07:35.44 | enouf | lightning: but that's me. you should also be able to remove ALL DMs and let startx start auto through .xsession or .xinitrc |
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| 07:36.12 | enouf | lightning: bah .. /should be able to/ |
| 07:36.21 | lightning | enouf: then how will i log in? |
| 07:36.27 | enouf | !spank liable |
| 07:36.30 | lightning | and should startx be "exec startx"? |
| 07:36.42 | lightning | and should it come before or after exec icewm-session |
| 07:36.43 | enouf | !startx |
| 07:36.44 | dpkg | startx is, like, a script that starts the X Window System , configure X before starting it. If the rest of X seems present, try getting xbase-clients. see starting gnome, or the way god intended X to be started. Issue 'startx <command> <xclient-options> -- <server> <xserver-options>' to specify specific client to start. Session will exit when that client exits. |
| 07:37.04 | lightning | enouf: but i won't be logged in? |
| 07:37.27 | enouf | that'll depend on your /etc/login.defs, iinm |
| 07:37.39 | lightning | do you know how to edit them |
| 07:37.55 | lightning | and should it be startx or exec startx |
| 07:37.59 | enouf | lightning: the thing about DMs is they use /etc/X11/* in weird ways, and have their own hosy of cofig files scattered about |
| 07:38.12 | enouf | er host of config |
| 07:38.38 | lightning | but startx will fix it |
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| 07:39.49 | lightning | okay how do i edit login.defs |
| 07:39.59 | enouf | lightning: i don't think you have to |
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| 07:40.13 | enouf | !xsession |
| 07:40.13 | dpkg | i heard xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
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| 07:41.45 | Danker | What is this programming/scripting language? http://rafb.net/p/Pzqyus22.html |
| 07:42.15 | lightning | Danker: C |
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| 07:42.31 | Danker | lightning: What it does? |
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| 07:43.15 | lightning | enouf: so a startx after exec icewm-session |
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| 07:43.57 | enouf | lightning: NOTE that DEs autmatically use and create the MIT-Magic-Cookie, or ~/.Xauthority file which , if you don't have one, may cause issues .. i think a "startx" command will create/use a ~/..serverauth.22999 type file |
| 07:44.19 | enouf | lightning: sure .. |
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| 07:44.42 | lightning | okay, brb |
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| 07:48.05 | lightning | enouf: |
| 07:48.09 | lightning | it didn't work |
| 07:48.20 | enouf | ok.. whatcha got? |
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| 07:48.40 | lightning | nothing happens, i'm not even left at $ or # |
| 07:48.58 | lightning | i have to log in, then startx, then icewm loads from the .xsession file |
| 07:48.59 | enouf | lightning: well did you disable gdm entirely ? |
| 07:49.00 | magyar | how can i find out what is using port 25? |
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| 07:49.08 | lightning | enouf: yes |
| 07:49.13 | enouf | lightning: how? |
| 07:49.26 | lightning | apt-get removed it and erased the line in /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 07:49.41 | enouf | Marenz: netstat -tunap .. lsof | grep LISTEN |
| 07:49.53 | enouf | magyar: even you .. not Marenz |
| 07:50.12 | enouf | lightning: ahh .. you uninstalled it .. ok |
| 07:51.03 | enouf | lightning: so you're using .xsession or .xinitrc ? |
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| 07:51.11 | lightning | .xsession |
| 07:52.03 | magyar | enouf: postfix/master[10319]: fatal: bind 127.0.0.1 port 25: Address already in use |
| 07:52.11 | magyar | i cant see anything running |
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| 07:52.21 | enouf | lightning: i'm not sure if you shouldn't be ;linking to /etc/X11/Xsession.d or one of those |
| 07:52.45 | enouf | magyar: how about pstree -lunap |
| 07:52.57 | lightning | enouf: i tried there and it didn't work |
| 07:53.06 | enouf | magyar: use PIDs and such to locate the offender |
| 07:53.07 | lightning | with a startup script |
| 07:53.26 | magyar | bash: pstree: command not found |
| 07:53.34 | enouf | lightning: i'm not certain how exactly to accomplish what you need, apologies, i know it's do-able .. |
| 07:53.49 | lightning | that's the good news :D |
| 07:53.57 | lightning | i'm really satisfied with this setup |
| 07:54.01 | enouf | magyar: just use ps aux then maybe |
| 07:54.07 | lightning | cursor is lookin' weird though |
| 07:54.10 | enouf | lightning: cool ;-) |
| 07:54.16 | enouf | odd |
| 07:54.22 | lightning | do you know how to change the x cursor? |
| 07:54.30 | lightning | i'll google |
| 07:54.48 | enouf | lightning: update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme |
| 07:54.52 | enouf | or simialr |
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| 07:55.28 | enouf | $ sudo update-alternatives --config x- |
| 07:55.29 | enouf | x-cursor-theme x-session-manager x-terminal-emulator x-window-manager x-www-browser |
| 07:55.33 | enouf | lightning: ^^^^^^^^ |
| 07:56.04 | lightning | no alternative for xcursor theme? |
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| 07:56.18 | enouf | those are the available x-(whatever)-(whatever) choices that i have here |
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| 07:56.36 | wykis | Hello, how can I find out what filename does a font in the system have? |
| 07:56.37 | enouf | lightning: look more closely ;-) |
| 07:56.55 | enouf | lightning: you might have to install some themes |
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| 07:57.16 | lightning | gui's make things so tricky |
| 07:57.24 | lightning | image it just being a file with a link |
| 07:57.47 | Danker | What does this line do? In what language it is written? / day! day!/sysadmin/Happy day! day! day! |
| 07:58.26 | lightning | enouf: sorry, all the typing is just complicated to me, i'm used to clicking |
| 07:58.39 | enouf | lightning: in pkg xcursor-themes |
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| 07:58.51 | lightning | where is that package? |
| 07:59.17 | enouf | apt-cache show xcursor-themes |
| 07:59.23 | enouf | lightning: ^^^^^^^^ |
| 07:59.46 | ekimus_ | hi, i'm searching for a vfs module for samba but can't find it. isn't something like that in etch? (virus scanning vfs module to be specific) |
| 07:59.59 | enouf | apt-get update && apt-get install <pkgname> |
| 08:00.55 | lightning | enouf: but where is the link that says cursor="/cursor" |
| 08:01.56 | lightning | oh cursor changes with theme in icewm |
| 08:02.04 | enouf | lightning: huh? |
| 08:02.08 | enouf | ls -al /etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme |
| 08:02.08 | enouf | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 2006-09-10 23:25 /etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme -> /etc/X11/cursors/redglass.theme |
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| 08:02.19 | lightning | do you run icewm |
| 08:02.38 | enouf | no, not now, using kwin atm |
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| 08:03.10 | enouf | lightning: apt-cache search x-window-manager <-- should return a nice list of choices |
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| 08:05.45 | lightning | i'll try this cursor until i find exactly where it is so that i can edit it |
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| 08:07.52 | enouf | lightning: one last thing, do a "/msg dpkg selftell" and use the bot to help yourself ;-) |
| 08:08.30 | lightning | thank you |
| 08:08.33 | enouf | dpkg: what are you? |
| 08:08.33 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 08:08.38 | enouf | lightning: welcome |
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| 08:09.41 | jetscreamer | !info crystalcursors |
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| 08:09.58 | lightning | enouf: the theme menu says that there are a bunch of themes installed, and if i locate .icewm terminal shows a bunch of theme folders left in home, but if i go there in nautilus, and show hidden files, the files are gone, why is this? |
| 08:10.09 | dpkg | crystalcursors: (X11 mouse theme with the crystal look&feel), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.1.1-8 (sid), Packaged size: 243 kB, Installed size: 2868 kB |
| 08:11.00 | jetscreamer | the icewm themes are under /usr/share/icewm/themes i think if that's what you're asking |
| 08:11.18 | enouf | lightning: you using Gnome anf Nautilus .. each have their own config files as well |
| 08:11.46 | jetscreamer | then icewm has nothing to do with it |
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| 08:12.24 | enouf | lightning: run updatedb as root .. perhaps you uninstalled somethings |
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| 08:12.55 | lightning | oh yeah, thanks |
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| 08:13.33 | enouf | lightning: locate is/uses a database that gets updated once daily (by default in cron.daily), so ... |
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| 08:15.02 | lightning | nice |
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| 08:16.01 | sciboy | What is debian's stance on the latest creative commons licenses? |
| 08:16.02 | enouf | lightning: right after installing a pkg use "dpkg -L <pkgname>" to see which files were installed and where .. if more than a day goes buy, i use "dlocate" |
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| 08:16.32 | lightning | how do i force remove a directory and everything in it from terminal |
| 08:16.33 | enouf | sciboy: lists.debian.org .. |
| 08:17.02 | enouf | lightning: rm -rd /path/to/dir |
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| 08:17.12 | enouf | lightning: man rm |
| 08:17.30 | Xires | anyone know of some software for creating timelines? |
| 08:17.37 | mancubus | Please advice task-list like "tasks" which may hide in tray? |
| 08:17.59 | Xires | lightning; that's rm -rf |
| 08:18.11 | Xires | the 'f' says force, 'r' means recursive |
| 08:18.13 | enouf | Xires: no it;s not |
| 08:18.24 | enouf | i know what it means |
| 08:18.25 | Xires | enouf; 'f' means "force" |
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| 08:18.32 | enouf | Xires: no need to use f |
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| 08:18.44 | enouf | Xires: ibut you need the d for dir |
| 08:18.47 | Xires | enouf; they specifically asked "how do i force remove.." |
| 08:18.57 | enouf | Xires: you never need to use -f |
| 08:18.59 | Xires | enouf; 'd' means 'delink'..it doesn't specify directory |
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| 08:19.00 | SoulChild | why can't my gparted formatto fat32 ??? |
| 08:19.08 | enouf | bah |
| 08:19.16 | enouf | I know what works for me |
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| 08:19.25 | lightning | thanks enouf |
| 08:19.30 | enouf | lightning: sure |
| 08:19.34 | lightning | you saved me |
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| 08:19.46 | lightning | brb |
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| 08:22.09 | Xires | SoulChild; maybe you need 'dosfstools'? |
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| 08:22.28 | SoulChild | Xires: yes thats it i suppose ,.. thank you |
| 08:22.36 | Xires | SoulChild; no problem |
| 08:23.19 | Xires | SoulChild; make sure you grab 'fatresize' if you're wanting to resize vfat partitions too |
| 08:23.28 | Xires | dang, just missed |
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| 08:23.48 | enouf | !customer |
| 08:23.48 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 08:25.27 | jetscreamer | sex sells |
| 08:25.47 | enouf | peace sells , who's buyin |
| 08:25.58 | jetscreamer | but who's buying |
| 08:26.08 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 08:27.52 | jetscreamer | i'm, a lumberjack and i'm, o, k |
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| 08:28.31 | cydork | jetscreamer: i sleep all night and work all day? |
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| 08:30.32 | jetscreamer | seems you're awake... |
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| 08:31.40 | jetscreamer | good thling we don't really have to sing for our supper |
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| 08:32.29 | cydork | heh |
| 08:33.02 | azeem | w38 |
| 08:33.04 | azeem | oops. |
| 08:34.27 | diafic | what package contains lspci? |
| 08:34.59 | Hoxzer | dude... packages.debian.org |
| 08:35.44 | diafic | well that was worthless |
| 08:35.51 | diafic | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=lspci&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 08:35.51 | jetscreamer | apt-file |
| 08:35.56 | diafic | thats a bit better |
| 08:35.57 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 08:35.57 | dpkg | search is probably try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 08:36.31 | dondelelcaro | diafic: you're searching for packages named lspci, instead of search for packages which *contain* lspci. Use the search form at the bottom. |
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| 08:37.21 | diafic | Thanks. |
| 08:37.25 | diafic | pciutils |
| 08:38.10 | diafic | argh |
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| 08:38.15 | diafic | how do I set a gateway? |
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| 08:40.34 | sep | diafic, add a gateway = ipaddress in your /etc/networking/interfaces under the stanca for the static interface in question. man interfaces for details |
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| 08:40.54 | lightning | machine is runnin' nice |
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| 08:42.39 | creatoun | are there any vulnerabilities? 'cause i noticed some slowdown in my previous install. |
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| 08:46.54 | jovans | i have some problems with depends the last two days look at http://www.pastebin.ca/634233 |
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| 08:47.50 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone know of a library to calculate isosurfaces in C? |
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| 08:50.17 | creatoun | sorry. can't resist a font change. |
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| 08:51.22 | ghatak | Hi, I am at the inital screen after booting from CD-ROM. Can i give a parameter here to boot from Hard drive instead of CD-ROM ? |
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| 08:51.51 | ghatak | the reason why I am asking is because i am connected remotely and do not have access to bios settings to change it to boot from hard drive immediately |
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| 08:58.11 | MoDaX | ghatak: press F2 F3 F4 to see help |
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| 09:00.16 | ghatak | MoDaX: did that, cant see any thing that i can type that will take me to HD boot sector |
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| 09:01.58 | ttl_work | is there an util that can crack or recover a lost password of a .rar file ? |
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| 09:02.44 | simonrvn | thought of using a pager on the file? |
| 09:03.37 | k1ckn1ck | quick question, is there an apt-get command to download the python smtp module |
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| 09:04.31 | ttl_work | simonrvn: a pager ? |
| 09:04.42 | ttl_work | simonrvn: such as ? |
| 09:04.54 | simonrvn | less, more for instance, or running strings on it |
| 09:05.19 | ttl_work | k |
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| 09:07.23 | cydork | ghatak: did you check http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html.en |
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| 09:08.04 | lightning | i can't delete a set of contacts in gnome |
| 09:08.08 | lightning | er i mean evolution |
| 09:08.49 | Guerin | lightning: tell #evolution in irc.gnome.org |
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| 09:10.21 | lightning | nobody is there |
| 09:10.34 | Guerin | that's too bad |
| 09:10.44 | Guerin | good luck finding people who use evilution in here |
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| 09:12.16 | lightning | hahah |
| 09:12.20 | lightning | what email do you guys use? |
| 09:12.26 | simonrvn | lightning: you checked on irc.gnome.org? |
| 09:12.39 | lightning | i'll try there later |
| 09:12.48 | lightning | what email do you use? |
| 09:12.51 | lightning | webmail? |
| 09:12.54 | Guerin | lightning: um, since that's where I *told* you to ask |
| 09:12.56 | simonrvn | well, that's why no one was there... |
| 09:13.02 | Guerin | lightning: mutt |
| 09:13.15 | simonrvn | non of your business |
| 09:13.18 | simonrvn | none* |
| 09:13.31 | Guerin | simonrvn uses pine |
| 09:13.38 | simonrvn | nope |
| 09:13.38 | Guerin | that's why he's sore about it |
| 09:13.48 | Guerin | i know; I'd be ashamed if I used pine, too |
| 09:13.59 | simonrvn | hehe you big teaser |
| 09:14.03 | dimir | Moin! |
| 09:14.07 | simonrvn | hello |
| 09:14.15 | simonrvn | or better yet, kwe kwe |
| 09:14.28 | Guerin | simonrvn: it's Maori Language Week this week |
| 09:14.29 | metbsd | anyone use openwebmail? i have error " Couldn't update index db " when i try to open "sent" |
| 09:14.39 | Guerin | and the media are actually making an effort |
| 09:14.49 | Guerin | metbsd: openwebmail is insanely bloated and evil |
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| 09:15.04 | metbsd | how is it evil |
| 09:15.10 | simonrvn | Guerin: wow, a week? heh, i'm surprised (wrt 'media making an effort' |
| 09:15.12 | simonrvn | ) |
| 09:15.32 | Guerin | metbsd: you're experienceing its evilitude now. |
| 09:15.47 | Guerin | simonrvn: yeah. It's almost like it's actually an official language! |
| 09:15.50 | simonrvn | we get one day here, for about 200 nations... |
| 09:15.55 | metbsd | but it was working fine. we've been using it without problem |
| 09:16.01 | Guerin | simonrvn: (which it has been since 1987) |
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| 09:16.11 | simonrvn | heheh ffs |
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| 09:17.46 | metbsd | what webmail solution do you recommend? |
| 09:17.47 | simonrvn | that sorta thing just makes me want to shak my head and say 'effing typical' |
| 09:17.50 | Shadur | Huh. Ever since the most recent unstable update gnome-terminal's not recognizing the up arrow key correctly anymore. |
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| 09:18.25 | Guerin | metbsd: expurgate the word `solution' from your vocabulary if you hope to be taken seriously in here |
| 09:18.39 | Tenkawa | does debian have a script helper to deconfigure an install to prep it for copy to a new machine? |
| 09:18.46 | metbsd | ?? |
| 09:18.58 | Guerin | Tenkawa: no, it has a fully-automated installer |
| 09:19.27 | Guerin | metbsd: you don't mean `solution'. you mean `program'. |
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| 09:19.38 | metbsd | ok program |
| 09:19.59 | Tenkawa | Guerin: I'm trying to clone an existing install.. however the info like hostname/root password/etc would need to be stripped down first |
| 09:20.01 | Guerin | metbsd: a `solution' is something you get from microsoft or mcafee or norton or other such snake-oil merchants |
| 09:20.06 | Guerin | metbsd: i use ilohamail these days |
| 09:20.11 | Tenkawa | its for creating vm images |
| 09:20.20 | Guerin | !fai |
| 09:20.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 09:20.24 | metbsd | ok thanks Guerin |
| 09:20.34 | metbsd | remember to take your medication |
| 09:20.36 | Tenkawa | reading |
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| 09:21.25 | Tenkawa | thanks.. I'll see if that can be used |
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| 09:24.08 | k1ckn1ck | using crontab, how do i make it report errors to a particular email address, when runnign a cronjob |
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| 09:24.29 | lightning | do any terminals allow you to ctrl+v into them? |
| 09:24.44 | Guerin | lightning: what do you mean by ctrl+v? |
| 09:24.52 | lightning | keyboard paste into them |
| 09:24.58 | lightning | without the mouse right click |
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| 09:25.20 | Guerin | lightning: shift+insert tends to work |
| 09:25.35 | lightning | in what terminal? |
| 09:25.35 | Guerin | ^v has a different meaning in a unix terminal |
| 09:25.49 | Guerin | lightning: urxvt for one |
| 09:25.54 | Guerin | i don't use any others |
| 09:26.39 | Danker | Is there any good tool to extract meta data from photo files? |
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| 09:27.06 | Guerin | Danker: imagemagick can do anything. It's photoshop for the CLI. |
| 09:27.35 | lightning | shift insert, can that key combo be changed? |
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| 09:29.47 | lightning | odd it doesn't allow ctrl v |
| 09:29.52 | lightning | but it allows shift insert |
| 09:30.37 | Fahrenheit | Hello everybody, I'm trying to configure Samba under Debian Etch for a public share. When I connect under my Debian sid workstation it work fine but with an XP station (beerk) it ask for some password that doesn't exist. Any idea ? |
| 09:31.58 | themill | lightning: Ctrl+V has historically had a different meaning for the command line. Do you expect Ctrl+C to work for copying from the terminal too? (Hint: don't try ^C on unsaved data....) |
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| 09:33.28 | lightning | nah i've just been trying to shift insert improperly for a year now |
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| 09:34.36 | Guerin | Fahrenheit: #samba |
| 09:34.46 | hermuli | i got a stupid newbie question: should link directory like this: /var/www/incoming -> /home/ftp/incoming or the other way around and why? |
| 09:34.54 | hermuli | *should I |
| 09:35.29 | Guerin | hermuli: into which file are the files actually being written (ignoring symlinks)? |
| 09:35.31 | Trewas | it's very annoying that logitech had to go and fuck up the keyboard layout so that copy/paste (ctrl-insert / shift-insert) are not usable anymore :( |
| 09:35.37 | Guerin | err, s/file/dir/ |
| 09:35.40 | Shadur | hermuli: Why would you do that in the first place? |
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| 09:35.58 | Guerin | Shadur: web-accessible ftp upload dir |
| 09:36.16 | Guerin | i agree, though, it's daft |
| 09:37.00 | hermuli | well, i have 3 different kind of ftp upload accounts, which should be in different places on the www end and one of them won't be on www at all |
| 09:37.36 | Guerin | hermuli: the actual dir where the files are written to should the the source (first bit) of any symlink |
| 09:38.03 | hermuli | thanks Guerin. that's what i wanted to know, even though my question was pretty vague :P |
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| 09:38.36 | Guerin | yeah, vagueness+ |
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| 09:41.24 | hermuli | another newbie question: if i rm the link, will it rm the original? if not, what's the unlink for then? :P |
| 09:41.47 | Guerin | hermuli: the short answer is no, and the long answer is `info coreutils' |
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| 09:41.59 | hermuli | haha :P |
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| 09:42.49 | harpal | how can I set color in vim like redhat in debian |
| 09:43.09 | hermuli | oooh... cool... thanks again Guerin... i'm actually learning something! |
| 09:43.14 | Guerin | disclaimer: I hate vim; but try :syntax on |
| 09:43.19 | Guerin | or somesuch |
| 09:43.34 | Guerin | hermuli: does it hurt? |
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| 09:44.42 | hermuli | Guerin: not anymore... |
| 09:44.53 | Guerin | it's always easier after the first time |
| 09:45.01 | harpal | Gurian: where can i do that syntax on |
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| 09:45.29 | Guerin | hermuli: as long as you're not in `insert' mode, : means `this is a command' |
| 09:45.35 | Guerin | harpal: ↑ |
| 09:46.11 | harpal | Gurian: ? |
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| 09:46.23 | Guerin | harpal: it means `look up' |
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| 09:46.34 | Guerin | and who is this Gurian of whom you speak? |
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| 09:46.42 | Guerin | is it something like a durian? |
| 09:47.14 | Guerin | mm, durian |
| 09:47.25 | Guerin | i wonder if I can get some of that shit from Yan's |
| 09:47.44 | Guerin | scare the bejeebus out of my unfortunate neighbours |
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| 09:49.21 | obnosis | hey anyone used Linux Format Source DVD's? I am trying to determine the root password for Mandriva, or for an OpenSuse 10.2 install? |
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| 09:49.56 | obnosis | It's the LFX magazine that includes that suite source DVD's in every issue |
| 09:49.59 | Shadur | obnosis: If either of them comes with a preset password rather than forcing you to create one during install, they don't deserve to be called linux distributions. |
| 09:50.12 | Guerin | obnosis: it's nearly impossible to `determine' the root password for a system without brute-forcing it |
| 09:50.17 | obnosis | Just can't find the root or even the guest password... |
| 09:50.25 | Guerin | however it is possible to reset one, usually |
| 09:50.33 | Guerin | obnosis: how do you know there is a password? |
| 09:50.44 | funky | dafank |
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| 09:50.58 | obnosis | sure - boot to single user mode - except that these are live cd's or installation sources that boot into a kde shell |
| 09:51.18 | Guerin | sounds evil and wrong' |
| 09:51.25 | obnosis | there is a login kde or gnome depending on the distro with a guest or root user |
| 09:51.42 | obnosis | they are pretty suite... |
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| 09:51.56 | Guerin | s/u/h/ |
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| 09:52.34 | k1ckn1ck | is there a debian package for mysqldp for python |
| 09:53.18 | Guerin | !tell k1ckn1ck about search |
| 09:53.31 | obnosis | I have centos 4.4; mandriva; simply mepis 6.0; opensuse 10.2; knoppix live cd 5.0; zenwalk 2.8; Metisse; Elive; and most DVD's come with more than one distro or even include OpenSolaris or other tools and toys. |
| 09:53.49 | obnosis | But I can't figure out what their logins are |
| 09:54.22 | Guerin | obnosis: ask the vendor |
| 09:54.24 | obnosis | I am in a Gentoo; PCBSD DVD now on a box without a hardrive... |
| 09:54.32 | Guerin | perhaps it's just some cruel joke |
| 09:54.39 | obnosis | Yes, I guess I could go to LFX ragazine and search there. |
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| 09:55.45 | obnosis | How about anyone know how to get the python svn bindings working the ld.so.conf under SLES 10.1 so that tracd doesn't seg fault? |
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| 09:56.08 | Guerin | obnosis: chances are stupider people than you have run into this problem and posted messages like `HAY U GUYZ I GOT TEH DVDZ N I CNT USE TEHM BCUZ HTE PASS IZ WRNG CN U HLP ME LOLKTHXBI' |
| 09:56.25 | obnosis | No, the gentoo source was specially compiled and packaged for this LFX DVD. |
| 09:56.35 | obnosis | Well, even guest under Kubuntu |
| 09:57.03 | obnosis | Kubuntu's LFX was passworded and then you had the standard su or sudo su |
| 09:57.04 | Guerin | obnosis: for one thing I don't get why you're asking your gentoo and LFX questions in here |
| 09:57.17 | Guerin | but at least you're not using ALL CAPS 1337 |
| 09:57.18 | obnosis | What wTF was the guest password? |
| 09:57.30 | obnosis | Kubuntu guest login under LFX? |
| 09:57.57 | ghatak | Hi, currently all of my apache logs are written to /var/log/apache/ and are owned by root:root. I want to be able to give a user read access to all the logs under /var/log/apache. How can i do this safely ? |
| 09:58.52 | obnosis | Sure you can do this fine. Just add the user to the wwwrun group or whatever GID apache is running under in /etc/group files |
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| 09:59.51 | obnosis | Then just add chmod g+r /var/log/apache/* |
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| 10:00.08 | HSorgYves | is there a way to create a second root user with a different password? |
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| 10:00.34 | cydork | ghatak: member of adm group can read any logs. so you add that user to adm group |
| 10:00.34 | xand | HSorgYves: yes |
| 10:00.35 | obnosis | of course you want to set the group for the /var/log/apache directory and files also chgrp wwwrun * |
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| 10:00.46 | Guerin | harpal: if you have to ask, that is a vcery unwise thing to do |
| 10:00.50 | HSorgYves | xand: how? |
| 10:00.54 | xand | HSorgYves: a user with uid and gid of 0 will be root |
| 10:00.58 | Guerin | HSorgYves: if you have to ask, that is a vcery unwise thing to do |
| 10:00.59 | obnosis | course you might not want them in adm group - I would not do that. |
| 10:01.07 | Guerin | HSorgYves: why do you want to do such a thing? |
| 10:01.08 | peterS | obnosis: ...which doesn't really solve the problem, thanks to log rotation. try g+s on the directory, etc. |
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| 10:01.26 | obnosis | right peters |
| 10:01.53 | HSorgYves | Guerin: wo allow another user to su to a user with root permissions without sharing the same passwd |
| 10:02.03 | obnosis | course you can also give them sudo for that one command visudo |
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| 10:02.09 | Guerin | HSorgYves: but ... if they have root permissions they can change the password |
| 10:02.18 | MolePrince | Hello, when trying to upgrade lenny to kernel 2.6.21-686-2, I get this error. Any idea how to fix it please? yaird error: unrecognised line in /proc/bus/input/devices: U: Uniq= (fatal) |
| 10:02.25 | obnosis | which would log it also |
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| 10:02.30 | Guerin | HSorgYves: you really needed to think this through a bit better. It soulds like you want sudo. |
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| 10:02.56 | HSorgYves | Guerin: they could yes, but i am trusting the other person... can sudo do exactly the same? |
| 10:03.11 | Guerin | HSorgYves: if you trust them, why don't you just tell them the password? |
| 10:03.12 | obnosis | selinux = enforcing MolePrince? |
| 10:03.19 | Guerin | HSorgYves: yes, sudo can do that. Man sudoers. |
| 10:03.27 | obnosis | NO, NO, NO, never give out root |
| 10:03.33 | obnosis | Always use sudo. |
| 10:03.42 | Guerin | obnosis: he trusts the person. His funeral. |
| 10:03.47 | obnosis | Always log and enforce all shells and each command |
| 10:03.48 | Guerin | obnosis: sudo is no better. |
| 10:04.15 | MolePrince | obnosis: I have no idea. I don't think I'm running an selinux install. |
| 10:04.24 | obnosis | of course they can delete the logs if you don't plan and implement it correctly; but then we can just buffer overflow most ssh's? |
| 10:04.35 | Guerin | obnosis: can we? |
| 10:04.41 | HSorgYves | obnosis: what's the advantage of using sudo? |
| 10:04.49 | Guerin | obnosis: i'm sure the openssh devs would be interested to know how. |
| 10:04.57 | obnosis | That's probably a selinux error - I would verify your policy |
| 10:05.23 | Guerin | HSorgYves: sudo is more granular. You can give out limited root to a certain user without fear that he'll be able to have his way with your box (in principle) |
| 10:05.39 | obnosis | logging - singular process control and limited root access by command |
| 10:05.56 | HSorgYves | Guerin: ok, but there is no need for this really |
| 10:06.18 | Guerin | HSorgYves: it depends on your case. |
| 10:06.29 | obnosis | it must be carefully implemented - i.e. no shells. They can just type sudo /bin/bash and off they go with only the one command logged and delete their history |
| 10:06.46 | HSorgYves | Guerin: we both own the server, so if i don't trust him then i would be a fool anyhow ;-) |
| 10:07.06 | Guerin | HSorgYves: either way, you get to figure it out (creating a second root or implementing sudo) on your own. Stuff like this is stuff you should undertsand before doing it. |
| 10:07.10 | obnosis | well, it's unethical to give a child a loaded gun |
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| 10:07.43 | HSorgYves | Guerin: well at least i know how to ;-) |
| 10:07.44 | Guerin | HSorgYves: i have a similar situation. We agreed on a shared secret and just use Plain Old Root, with a gentleman's agreement to email logs to the other when we use it. |
| 10:07.53 | obnosis | I would give him sudo and visudo to add one/two commands "tail /var/log/apache/access_log" |
| 10:08.10 | Guerin | obnosis: access to visudo means 100% root |
| 10:08.11 | petemc | you dont need sudo for that |
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| 10:08.29 | Guerin | obnosis: so all you've done is give him the gun in two parts |
| 10:08.35 | obnosis | You can also setup logwatch and have the logs or a logs script sed/awk for content emailed to you both |
| 10:08.47 | Guerin | obnosis: race conditions are not secure. |
| 10:09.13 | Guerin | honestly - you either need to trust the user, or you need to lock him down. HSorgYves seems to want to former. |
| 10:09.20 | obnosis | No - he can only tail the logs, not edit, not rm -R *, not up2date or chmod a-rwx -r / |
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| 10:09.47 | Guerin | obnosis: ? |
| 10:09.53 | petemc | obnosis: thats what the adm group is for |
| 10:10.11 | Knight_Lord | How can I read the CPU temperature from the command line? |
| 10:10.31 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: man acpi |
| 10:10.47 | obnosis | Adding their user to trusted groups is a good option. Or you can add an alias to their .bashrc for the command including sudo without a password for two commands. |
| 10:10.51 | Hoxzer | sensors would do that quite good |
| 10:11.15 | Knight_Lord | Hoxzer: yes but how do I use them? |
| 10:11.22 | Knight_Lord | Guerin: using lm-sensors i mean |
| 10:11.27 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: no idea. |
| 10:11.29 | Hoxzer | Knight_Lord: 'sensors' is the program :D |
| 10:12.05 | Knight_Lord | Hoxzer: thanks :) |
| 10:12.06 | obnosis | I recommend providing a complete option with logs for a non-linux saavy user. For a saavy user, I recommend giving no access -- just using logwatch. Also what happens when he goes to the coffee shop and doesn't protect this trust either on a shared network or around others? |
| 10:12.33 | Guerin | obnosis: if that were the case, why was he trusted in the first place? |
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| 10:13.16 | obnosis | That's the deal - there is NEVER any REASON to provide access beyond what an overriding reason or need. |
| 10:13.18 | Guerin | obnosis: recall that he is a co-owner of the box in question. He has as much to lose as the other guy. |
| 10:13.42 | obnosis | Why give root when limited access or changing the filespec for the logrotate.d function would suffice? |
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| 10:14.41 | Guerin | obnosis: because he owns the box, and his co-owner trusts him? I agree; if that solution WILL satisfy his needs then it's the right one. But that doesn't seem to be so. |
| 10:14.53 | Knight_Lord | No i2c device files found. Use prog/mkdev/mkdev.sh to create them. |
| 10:14.56 | Knight_Lord | How do I do this? |
| 10:14.57 | obnosis | You try to autopsy changes or work in the mess a multitude of users creates and you will have the same attitude I (and all the LISA SAGE Admins and Nix pros use) I have. |
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| 10:15.33 | obnosis | All the more reason to be exceptionally careful with the root password is "co-owner". |
| 10:15.39 | Guerin | obnosis: you misunderstand; I *do* have the same attitude, in the general case. But you're ignoring this point: the admin (root) *trusts* the other guy. |
| 10:15.39 | obnosis | Trust is a very dangerous thing. |
| 10:16.01 | Guerin | trust is a cultural thing expressed through technology |
| 10:16.18 | deconvolution | hello, I found AUCTeX (11.83-6) package failed to be installed with emacs 22 with message: install/auctex: Ignoring emacsen flavor: "emacs22". Is there any solution to this? |
| 10:16.52 | obnosis | It's irrevelent if there is trust there. He only needs to read the logs. Why provide access beyond the need? |
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| 10:17.21 | Guerin | obnosis: if the trust does not manifest through the initial setup, there's a chance or even a likelihood that the admin will have to delegate that trust in future in a less-structured manner. Better to have him educated and knowing what he's dealing with from the get-go. |
| 10:17.36 | syntaxx | using lvcreate will delete all data inside a volumegroup? |
| 10:17.40 | Guerin | obnosis: *if* that's the case, sure. But your statement was *never* give out root. |
| 10:18.07 | obnosis | No, you simply cannot manage a server without being able to determine what and who did what when. |
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| 10:18.26 | Guerin | of course you can. If you *trust* the other user. This is my point. |
| 10:18.34 | HSorgYves | exactly |
| 10:19.12 | Guerin | ultimately, no amount of logging or anything else gives you protection if he has root, which your recommendation of giving him visudo essentially does |
| 10:19.24 | obnosis | I have worked in shops where one loose cracker opened up sudo at midnight for all his friends and hacked all his co-workers, read everyone's mail, touched * in their home directories and then suggested they just go and "rm" it --- these are the words of long experience. |
| 10:19.36 | Guerin | obnosis: you're not listening. |
| 10:20.12 | obnosis | No, visudo changes and limits the users ability , when correctly implemented, to say !SHELLS, or one command spec. |
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| 10:20.49 | Guerin | obnosis: visudo gives a user the ability to add and modify sudoers. How is that not root? |
| 10:21.10 | obnosis | I meant to configure visudo not allow him that command, silly! |
| 10:21.15 | Guerin | mm |
| 10:21.59 | obnosis | Hokay, anyone know how to command line tunnel over two ports through firewalls? |
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| 10:22.24 | obnosis | deftly obnosis changes the subject... |
| 10:22.28 | obnosis | no takers? |
| 10:22.29 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:22.43 | Guerin | your problem is a bit vague. WHich two ports, where? |
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| 10:22.58 | Guerin | stunnel sounds like your game, though ssh can probably do it too |
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| 10:23.05 | obnosis | No it's simple |
| 10:23.20 | Guerin | i'm sure it is; I just don't understand what you're trying to do |
| 10:23.23 | obnosis | elementary actually |
| 10:23.38 | syntaxx | using lvcreate will delete all data inside a volumegroup? |
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| 10:24.03 | obnosis | logical volume create will make a new logical volume |
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| 10:24.36 | Guerin | bizarre, but true |
| 10:24.37 | syntaxx | obnosis: but not delete the data inside a volgroup? |
| 10:24.54 | obnosis | You would have to destroy the volume before you would delete the data |
| 10:25.22 | obnosis | You would not be able to create a new volume with the same parameters of the existing one. |
| 10:25.49 | obnosis | It would error out. Man lvcreate |
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| 10:26.07 | syntaxx | obnosis: i have recovered my lvm now when i try to activate it. it says no logical volume found. im just making sure that using lvcreate will not delete all the data inside |
| 10:26.15 | lightning | how do you switch the font in xterm? xterm -fn clean isn't working |
| 10:26.17 | simonrvn | Man: command not found. |
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| 10:27.31 | simonrvn | ~/.Xresources; man xterm |
| 10:27.48 | obnosis | plink -N -P portnumber -L SourcePort:remoteserver:ServicePort -l user |
| 10:28.33 | obnosis | sounds like you did not actually recover it? |
| 10:29.03 | obnosis | also /etc/X.org/xinitrc |
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| 10:29.36 | lightning | .Xresources i don't see the file? |
| 10:29.41 | lightning | simonrvn: create it? |
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| 10:30.36 | nm | hi * |
| 10:30.54 | nm | how do i change vietnamese language on debian ? |
| 10:31.14 | obnosis | you can also use FP which will even let you browse over a dynamic tunnel Firefox Portable |
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| 10:32.21 | nm | On gdm -> language selector, i can't find Vietnameses item. Someone can suggest me how to add this language pack ? |
| 10:32.56 | Guerin | nm: aptitude search vietnam |
| 10:33.11 | Guerin | nm: it seems likely there should be a language pack for it |
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| 10:34.17 | Evert | hi guys.. what do you suggest as mail server Courier or Dovecot? |
| 10:34.26 | Guerin | neither are a mail server |
| 10:34.34 | Guerin | (typically) |
| 10:34.42 | obnosis | let's say you have a network that you are currently on with a server that filters web traffic, if guarded by a firewall that does not allow inbound connections, and only allows outbound connections on ports 21, 80, and 443. |
| 10:34.46 | Evert | Guerin.. + postfix |
| 10:34.52 | nm | Guerin, not found sir |
| 10:35.04 | obnosis | You can dig a tunnell with any ssh server setup on a custom port. |
| 10:35.09 | Guerin | Evert: i use courier, but if I were setting up imap/pop today I would use dovecot |
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| 10:35.24 | obnosis | sendmail with MailScanner |
| 10:35.36 | Guerin | nm: check lists.debian.org/debian-i18n |
| 10:35.41 | obnosis | I agree with dovecot |
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| 10:36.03 | Guerin | obnosis: sendmail is fine if you have a year to learn it. Postfix is fine if you have a day. |
| 10:36.04 | Evert | Guerin: thanks.. and what do u suggest LDAP or MYSQL for user admin? |
| 10:36.24 | obnosis | Agreed;postfix is also more robust for load |
| 10:36.24 | Guerin | Evert: neither. But ldap is probably more work and more scalable. |
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| 10:36.37 | Guerin | obnosis: at least you're not a qmail fanboi |
| 10:36.42 | didek | Hi! |
| 10:36.43 | obnosis | ldap is terribly insecure |
| 10:36.51 | obnosis | i only say sldap |
| 10:36.51 | didek | I have problem with apache coding |
| 10:37.01 | nm | Guerin, i searched these ML for vietnamese lang pack instructions, but i can't found anything :-( |
| 10:37.07 | Evert | obnosis: yes i mean sldap |
| 10:37.08 | obnosis | go didek |
| 10:37.12 | didek | I set defaultcharset to iso, but that isn't working. |
| 10:37.23 | Guerin | nm: feel like doing the translation yourself? |
| 10:37.37 | obnosis | let's use the "Zen of troubleshooting".... |
| 10:37.38 | didek | Still i have "?" in words. |
| 10:37.54 | Guerin | nm: that's a bit surprising. Levels of English usage in vietnam are pretty good, I'd have figrued someone wo9uld have done one by now. |
| 10:37.57 | obnosis | The error is the answer. Or didek, what is it doing? |
| 10:38.08 | nm | Guerin, no sir, some one translated it. I saw vi_VN lang pack on some other computer |
| 10:38.23 | Guerin | nm: huh, curious. |
| 10:38.25 | didek | Huh. |
| 10:38.29 | didek | That's problem. |
| 10:38.31 | didek | :P |
| 10:38.34 | Guerin | !find vi_VN |
| 10:38.39 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'vi_VN' (4 of 15): (/usr/share/camomile/locales/vi_VN.mar) in libdevel/libcamomile-ocaml-data ;; (/usr/share/i18n/locales/vi_VN) in misc/belocs-locales-data,libs/locales ;; (/usr/lib/zope2.9/lib/python/zope/i18n/locales/data/vi_VN.xml) in web/zope2.9 ;; (/usr/lib/zope2.10/lib/python/zope/i18n/locales/data/vi_VN.xml) in web/zope2.10. |
| 10:39.06 | Guerin | nm: try dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 10:39.08 | obnosis | didek - it's giving you ? in the charset for iso default. |
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| 10:39.13 | Guerin | perhaps it's just not configurated |
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| 10:40.31 | didek | obnosis: But doesn't work |
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| 10:40.42 | obnosis | I apologise, didek, i cannot think with that info. Are you setting a php or mysql session? What is your source look like. I think you might do better asking Google initially or going to the Apache irc channel |
| 10:40.42 | moldy | hi |
| 10:40.46 | moldy | i don't understand the update-rc.d manpage: how do i properly disable a service? |
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| 10:41.13 | Guerin | moldy: might be easier to use rcconf or sysvconfig |
| 10:41.15 | nm | Guerin, okie sir, i will try it nơ |
| 10:41.18 | obnosis | chkconfig $service disable |
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| 10:41.27 | Guerin | obnosis: this is not red hat |
| 10:41.33 | Guerin | !red hat tool |
| 10:41.35 | Guerin | !red hat tools |
| 10:41.35 | dpkg | If you're a (former) Red Hat tool looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. But: chkconfig={sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d}; service=invoke-rc.d; kudzu=discover; rc.local=bootmisc; etc. in more recent debian versions /etc/init.d/rc.local exists, see the script for more info |
| 10:41.35 | obnosis | laugh |
| 10:41.42 | obnosis | bad kitty |
| 10:41.51 | Guerin | no herring for you |
| 10:41.55 | moldy | Guerin: thx for the hint |
| 10:42.13 | Guerin | good night, kiddiwinks |
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| 10:42.44 | obnosis | night night big guy [shameless flirting] |
| 10:43.00 | moldy | Guerin: hmm, if i launch "rcconf", all the services are marked as active -- is this correct? |
| 10:43.06 | Guerin | i haven't had to touch any distro named after a piece of apparrel since 2004 |
| 10:43.21 | obnosis | braggart |
| 10:43.49 | Guerin | moldy: [X] = on; [ ] = off |
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| 10:44.28 | moldy | Guerin: ok... was just wondering why stuff like rsync was started (never configured it i think) |
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| 10:46.17 | Danker | Could you help me to identify these computurs? :) http://my.opera.com/Dankeris/albums/show.dml?id=320223 |
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| 10:47.03 | linuxor | Hi, I've installed Qt4, but I can not find it in the panel, so how to do ? please |
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| 10:47.38 | themill | linuxor: what are you expecting to find? |
| 10:49.00 | linuxor | themill, the name of Qt4 in programming part |
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| 10:49.27 | HSorgYves | which file are the additional groups (usermod -G... user) stored in? |
| 10:49.54 | didek | Huh |
| 10:49.59 | didek | ifd.pl |
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| 10:50.06 | didek | That's site. |
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| 10:50.24 | didek | And in one place i have other codeing. |
| 10:50.25 | didek | :/ |
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| 10:51.55 | themill | linuxor: Qt4 is only some libraries against which you write code. There's nothing to put in the menu. |
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| 10:52.32 | linuxor | themill, but how to execute it? |
| 10:53.11 | themill | linuxor: there's nothing to execute. Qt4 is only a library |
| 10:53.38 | themill | linuxor: you need to either install or write or compile applications that use qt4 |
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| 10:54.16 | MolePrince | Has anyone here ever tried using gpm with a touchscreen? |
| 10:54.18 | linuxor | themill, may be qt-designer or something like |
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| 10:54.52 | syntaxx | is there a way to know a filesystem type on a device? |
| 10:55.06 | themill | linuxor: did you install qt4-designer |
| 10:55.28 | linuxor | themill, yeha |
| 10:55.31 | linuxor | yeah |
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| 10:56.23 | themill | linuxor: that should appear on the menu under development. or you can use it from the command line as designer-qt4 |
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| 10:56.53 | linuxor | themill, I know that thx, |
| 10:57.01 | themill | linuxor: qt3 and qt4 on the same machine is handled through the alternatives system. You may need to switch things around and or use a QTDIR environment variable to get it to work |
| 10:57.15 | JimPanic | Does anyone know whether there's a way to run Lenny on a (hardware-)raid5 without a seperate boot disk? (It fails to start init, as of now) |
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| 10:57.45 | themill | linuxor: sorry -- I don't think I've really answered your question yet... |
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| 10:58.06 | linuxor | themill, ^_^ no prob friend ... thx a lot |
| 10:58.36 | HSorgYves | Guerin: thx again, bye |
| 10:58.51 | Knight_Lord | How bad is it to get: Device: /dev/twa0 [3ware_disk_02], 1 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors? |
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| 10:59.40 | Knight_Lord | followed by: Device: /dev/twa0 [3ware_disk_02], 1 Offline uncorrectable sectors |
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| 11:03.17 | dutchfish | how can i install java3d on 2.6.18-4 etch when i have already installed (and want to use) latest sun JDK with apt-get? |
| 11:03.53 | dutchfish | i meant the java3d-jdk |
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| 11:06.29 | itguru | Is it possible to ping a computer via it's netbios name? |
| 11:07.23 | dutchfish | itguru, yes |
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| 11:07.51 | itguru | dutchfish: Okay, I think I better rephrase my question!! |
| 11:08.04 | dutchfish | itguru, at least you need to point resolv.conf of coarse to the proper dns server of your MS-lan |
| 11:08.06 | itguru | HOW, do I ping a computer using it's netbios name, instead of it's IP address? |
| 11:08.43 | dutchfish | itguru, if properly configured ping blahdieblah |
| 11:09.13 | themill | dutchfish: netbios name doesn't have to be the same as its hostname unfortunately |
| 11:09.15 | MoDaX | itguru: nmblookup, then ping ip |
| 11:09.44 | dutchfish | themill, you are right, but it should be common practise |
| 11:09.48 | itguru | MoDaX: OH YEAH! |
| 11:09.56 | itguru | Thanks for jogging my memory |
| 11:10.13 | themill | MoDaX: ohh.. nice one... must remember that. |
| 11:10.15 | itguru | dutchfish: On my own personal net it works, but I travel from site to site |
| 11:10.53 | themill | dutchfish: ha. if only. remember these are things set up by windows admins or by lusers who are allowed to change their computer name by right clicking on My Computer.... *sigh* |
| 11:10.57 | dutchfish | itguru, not to mention mal-configured proxy of your local lan ;) |
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| 11:11.53 | dutchfish | themill, it shouldnt, but i unfortunately have same expeirience |
| 11:12.39 | dutchfish | themill, i know about those win-admin-clickers-no-brainers |
| 11:12.53 | itguru | MoDaX: dutchfish - Thanks for the tips guys, I got my 12 VNC sessions all up and running now! Maybe I may have to use a script, to fire up the terminal client automatically etc |
| 11:13.01 | themill | dutchfish: oh the pain.... |
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| 11:14.34 | dutchfish | how can i install java3d on 2.6.18-4 etch when i have already installed (and want to use) latest sun JDK with apt-get? |
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| 11:32.35 | ErkiDerLoony | Does anyone know which set of environment variables sudo uses? |
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| 11:33.07 | ErkiDerLoony | Because I'm located behind a proxy and "apt-get update" works fine as root but "sudo apt-get update" won't connect to the proxy. |
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| 11:33.33 | ErkiDerLoony | I've already exported "HTTP_PROXY=server:port" |
| 11:33.45 | ErkiDerLoony | and "FTP_PRXOXY=server:port" |
| 11:33.47 | themill | ErkiDerLoony: you can set that in apt's config if you want |
| 11:33.53 | petemc | its lower case, i think |
| 11:33.58 | petemc | http_proxy |
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| 11:34.38 | ErkiDerLoony | Ah thx! I shall try that. |
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| 11:35.29 | themill | ErkiDerLoony: man apt.conf |
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| 11:36.00 | ErkiDerLoony | Yap, that works fine! (Acquire::http-proxy ...) |
| 11:36.13 | themill | :) |
| 11:36.19 | ErkiDerLoony | I thought I tried that once and it didn't work. But now it does! |
| 11:36.21 | ErkiDerLoony | :-) |
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| 11:38.45 | DragonD | how do i upgrade from etch to lenny? |
| 11:39.04 | creatoun | you can't. lenny's not here. |
| 11:39.24 | themill | !tell DragonD about etch->lenny |
| 11:39.57 | DragonD | creatoun: what? |
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| 11:40.10 | DragonD | what do you mean "not there"? |
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| 11:48.12 | simonrvn | i think creatoun is either confused, or is kidding |
| 11:48.22 | simonrvn | DragonD: ^^^ |
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| 11:50.10 | aldin | hi, i have only this line in sources.list -> deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free and i installed debian KDE cd, now i changed from etch to "lenny", so, i would like to have updates, which line to put, thanks |
| 11:50.18 | DragonD | simonrvn: yeah it finnaly clicked for me as well |
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| 11:53.38 | simonrvn | DragonD: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 11:58.47 | DragonD | simonrvn: your about 20 mins late |
| 12:00.21 | anapivirtua__ | Hi fucking people / Bonjour bande de connards degeneres |
| 12:00.47 | dutchfish | so far i have downloaded java3d-1_5_1-linux-i586.bin and extracted. Where do i need to put the extensions and libs? into /usr/lib/jvm ? can somone exactly pinpoit this out to me? |
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| 12:01.32 | dutchfish | i am using sun's JDK 1.5.0.10 |
| 12:01.50 | dutchfish | installed from apt-get installer-script |
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| 12:07.15 | nslater_ | I have wireshark running on two machines. I make a HTTP request from B to A and the wireshark on A shows me a HTTP response being sent but the browser on B hangs and the wireshark on B never shows the response comming through - does anyone know what's happening? |
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| 12:08.41 | yacc | Just wondering, what package does provide ppdpo? (Seems that cups ddk is not provided by Debian?) packages.debian.org seems to hang for me during the search :( |
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| 12:09.48 | Knight_Lord | Has anyone used Nagios to monitor CPU temperature? |
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| 12:18.08 | vanksi | is there any working guide to get ipw3945 + wpa working on debian? tried to install the ipw3945 drivers for my kernel from apt but that sure didn't work |
| 12:18.54 | q-tip | I have mine working here just did it manually |
| 12:19.19 | q-tip | then add the wirelless stuff in network/interfaces |
| 12:19.29 | Ovi_1 | I'm getting an error cannot open file /usr/share/man/man1/sensible-browser.1.gz access denies when tryin to upgrade |
| 12:19.34 | Ovi_1 | any ideas? :( |
| 12:19.49 | Ovi_1 | and I can't do any upgrade ... |
| 12:20.24 | q-tip | iface eth2 inet dhcp |
| 12:20.25 | q-tip | wireless-essid xxxxx |
| 12:20.25 | q-tip | wireless-key xxxxxxxx |
| 12:20.25 | q-tip | #auto eth2 |
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| 12:20.25 | Ovi_1 | anyonw know why? |
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| 12:21.01 | dondelelcaro | Ovi_1: you need to give us the full output of the apt-get or aptitude run with the error message. |
| 12:21.07 | dondelelcaro | Ovi_1: use a paste site to do so |
| 12:21.21 | themill | vanksi: what exactly have you done and why do you think it didn't work |
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| 12:21.30 | Ovi_1 | alright I'll run the command again |
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| 12:22.24 | yacc | Any idea were I can find a cupsddk deb? |
| 12:22.37 | vanksi | themill, the driver would not load when i used the apt method and by using http://javier.rodriguez.org.mx/index.php/linux/debian-gnulinux-on-dell-d620/ that the driver did load but when i did ifup eth1 i got a nice kernel panic |
| 12:23.04 | themill | vanksi: what kernel are you running (uname -r) |
| 12:23.19 | vanksi | using 2.6.18 amd64 |
| 12:23.28 | themill | vanksi: from etch or self compiled? |
| 12:24.05 | vanksi | from etch |
| 12:24.26 | themill | vanksi: OK. The details on that site are rather old and don't apply to the 2.6.18 kernel. |
| 12:24.29 | themill | !tell vanksi about ipw3945 |
| 12:24.47 | possie | look like i have a corrupted partition but when i try to fsck it, i'm getting "disk or resoruce busy" |
| 12:24.51 | possie | but i know it's not mounted |
| 12:25.05 | themill | vanksi: you can do it all just with debian packages. No need to get your hands dirty. |
| 12:25.10 | Ovi_1 | but until I redownload everything , is there a reason that file can't be accessed not even by root ? |
| 12:25.37 | Ovi_1 | /usr/share/man/man1/sensible-browser.1.gz ...I can't even delete it.. |
| 12:25.40 | vanksi | themill, thanks, gonna try that |
| 12:26.14 | Ovi_1 | nor see any of its properties.....maby is corrupt or something |
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| 12:29.35 | yacc | Ovi_1: if it's really corrupt, dmesg should have messages about this. |
| 12:30.50 | B|nTaRa | !wireless |
| 12:30.50 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or Linksys WPC11: http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 12:33.37 | yacc | Just wondering, when one misses a derived package (devel package, that gets derived from the same source), the correct package to file the bug against is the base package, right? |
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| 12:36.01 | yacc | Anyone knows if the problems with packages.debian.org is already known to the admins? |
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| 12:36.46 | dondelelcaro | yacc: yes, see #434427 et al |
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| 12:38.48 | yacc | dondelelcaro: ? |
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| 12:39.38 | ari_stress | hi all |
| 12:39.44 | ari_stress | wow so many people, cool! |
| 12:39.49 | yacc | dondelelcaro: I've got a problem where packages.debian.org hangs when looking up packages it seems => it does so in the browser and reportbug. |
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| 12:40.05 | streuner | !dbugs 434427 |
| 12:40.08 | dpkg | #434427:I[www.debian.org] PTS: changelog and copyright links bring to 404 error; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:06:02 UTC |
| 12:40.24 | jelly-home | PTS? |
| 12:42.04 | yacc | jelly-home: the debian package bug tracking system? |
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| 12:42.37 | jelly-home | yacc: no, just package tracking system |
| 12:42.50 | yacc | jelly-home: :) |
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| 12:43.11 | yacc | jelly-home: that still doesn't solve my problem that I seem to be missing cupsddk :( |
| 12:43.50 | jelly-home | debian users don't develop printer drivers! |
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| 12:44.17 | yacc | jelly-home: :-P |
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| 12:45.06 | yacc | jelly-home: I just wanted to turn an almost paperweight into a useful printer ;) |
| 12:45.12 | jelly-home | yacc: more seriously, nag the cups maintainers. |
| 12:45.34 | norbert_ | ehm, hi... I'm wondering if anyone knows another company besides Loki Games that specifically ports (or ported) Windows applications to Linux |
| 12:45.43 | dondelelcaro | yacc: ah; well, I just notified people of it |
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| 12:47.15 | yacc | dondelelcaro: it seems to be slightly faster now, although it still is hard to tell if it hangs or just really really slow. |
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| 12:47.21 | xelfium | norbert_: linux game publishing? |
| 12:47.54 | norbert_ | xelfium: ah yeah, thx |
| 12:48.31 | dondelelcaro | yacc: yeah, the meachine is there, but it appears to be massively overloaded |
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| 12:50.26 | sinizzl | my network setup: laptop uses computer b as a gateway. laptop has ip adress 192.168.3.3, computer b, which is the gateway (and where im chatting currently from( has ip adress 192.168.3.1 and it does do nameresolving. i can reach any host from my laptop but it doesnt resolv any names, despite /etc/resolv.conf being edited correctly (i used my isp's 87.245.64.10.... any ideas ?? |
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| 12:50.41 | sinizzl | n |
| 12:50.41 | sinizzl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:52.21 | Noborusan | which command to show package that have been hold back ? |
| 12:54.15 | stew | Noborusan: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 12:54.32 | Noborusan | stew, Hi,good evening |
| 12:54.38 | Noborusan | I see. |
| 12:54.59 | Noborusan | stew, i just upgraded bind according to security email accountion |
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| 12:55.12 | Noborusan | i was not sure if i needed a reboot but i just did it anyway |
| 12:55.51 | stew | Noborusan: you didn't need a reboot |
| 12:56.14 | Noborusan | i see. |
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| 12:56.31 | Noborusan | stew, dpkg does not tell me which command to show them |
| 12:56.46 | stew | !kept back |
| 12:56.46 | dpkg | i heard kept back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade". The safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get -s install <kept-package>' and see why it wasn't automatically upgrading the package |
| 12:56.56 | stew | Noborusan: the last sentence |
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| 12:59.20 | Noborusan | stew, Thanks |
| 12:59.52 | Noborusan | stew, May i ask a network construction question please ? |
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| 13:04.27 | H2OyJaBoN | hi |
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| 13:12.29 | drbair_laptop | can anyone give any insight into a gfs induced kernel panic |
| 13:13.46 | harpal | how can I set color while I do ls |
| 13:14.02 | abrotman | set the colors .. or just use them ? |
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| 13:14.37 | harpal | im redhat when we do ls then it gives us directory color different and file color different |
| 13:15.02 | abrotman | ls --color |
| 13:15.21 | harpal | but I dont want to do that ls --color every time |
| 13:15.30 | abrotman | is this for root .. or another user ? |
| 13:15.45 | harpal | root |
| 13:15.54 | abrotman | you can set an alias |
| 13:16.05 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:16.51 | abrotman | K_Dallas: it does .. just the alias isn't the default like it is for normal users |
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| 13:17.32 | K_Dallas | abrotman, i see. i vaguely remember that some of the flags were not working for the admin account but cannot remember which one or which command it was for. I might be totally wrong too |
| 13:17.39 | harpal | ok but if I restart that system then I should have to redefine that alis |
| 13:18.09 | romano2k | harpal: put it in the /root/.profile file |
| 13:18.16 | K_Dallas | harpal, define your aliases in the bach RC file or something like that |
| 13:18.30 | harpal | ok |
| 13:18.30 | abrotman | harpal: look in /etc/.bashrc .. just uncomment the alias |
| 13:18.44 | abrotman | erm .. in /root/.bashrc :) |
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| 13:18.55 | abrotman | it's already there .. just not enabled |
| 13:19.31 | harpal | thanx |
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| 13:23.47 | Noborusan | can anyone suggest me a neat traffic grapher besides mrgt for debian ? |
| 13:24.15 | Maliuta | Noborusan: cricket |
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| 13:24.21 | Maliuta | Noborusan: rrdtool |
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| 13:24.30 | anordby | Noborusan: munin |
| 13:24.34 | Kobaz | bandwidthd - Tracks usage of TCP/IP and builds html files with graphs |
| 13:24.39 | semprix | guys what package is qmake included? |
| 13:25.07 | Kobaz | qmake? |
| 13:25.12 | semprix | got it |
| 13:25.17 | semprix | qt3 |
| 13:25.18 | AD2 | I upgraded my kernel yesterday do to some issues with some modules... and today i'm getting this kernel BUG at mm/rmap.c:522!, I'm on Linux version 2.6.18-4-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2)... anyone else run into this problem? |
| 13:25.18 | pmjdebruijn | I have a init script that is missing the rc_reset, startproc, checkproc functions |
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| 13:25.32 | pmjdebruijn | does Debian have a compatibility packages for these functions? |
| 13:25.40 | Noborusan | Thanks |
| 13:25.41 | pmjdebruijn | I guess some are redhat specific? |
| 13:25.45 | Kobaz | AD2: 2.6.18 has filesystem corruption problems, you should pick a different kernel |
| 13:26.03 | AD2 | Kobaz, suggestions? |
| 13:26.08 | Kobaz | 2.6.22.1 is quite nice |
| 13:26.19 | xand | 2.6.18 does? |
| 13:26.25 | Kobaz | 2.6.19.5 has been rock solid for me |
| 13:26.34 | Kobaz | xand: yeah, it's on the lkml somewhere |
| 13:26.55 | abrotman | pmjdebruijn: script for what ? |
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| 13:27.05 | AD2 | thanks Kobaz |
| 13:27.15 | abrotman | Kobaz: that's on the kernel.org kernel .. every distro patches that before they release |
| 13:27.29 | Kobaz | abrotman: not if the bug isn't found at that time |
| 13:27.38 | abrotman | trying to apply LKML issues to a distro kernel is worthless |
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| 13:27.50 | abrotman | Kobaz: okay .. so prove it is in the debian kernel before spreading FUD in here |
| 13:27.59 | pmjdebruijn | abrotman: it's an init.d script (Kerio Mail Server) |
| 13:28.06 | Kobaz | abrotman: i don't know if it is or isn't but I would rather just use a known good kernel to begin with.. that's just me |
| 13:28.37 | abrotman | Kobaz: they all have bugs .. different bugs at different times .. the 2.6.22.1 might drop packets or eat puppies .. |
| 13:29.00 | Kobaz | abrotman: it might, which is why i also suggest 2.6.19.5 since it's been running solid for a while for me |
| 13:29.14 | abrotman | Kobaz: and i've been running multiple machines with 2.6.18 with no issue .. |
| 13:29.23 | Kobaz | okay, that's good |
| 13:29.29 | abrotman | right .. so stop spreading fud :) |
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| 13:29.38 | Kobaz | it's not fud if it's geninely a problem |
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| 13:29.58 | Kobaz | so if you have a kernel that's affected, then it's a problem, and it's not fud |
| 13:30.00 | abrotman | Kobaz: but you didn't say it was a problem in the debian released kernel .. just some noise on LKML .. that's spreading FUD |
| 13:30.11 | Kobaz | if you don't have a kernel that's affected, then nothing to worry about |
| 13:30.14 | abrotman | you didn't even state which minor 2.6.18 it was |
| 13:30.32 | Kobaz | abrotman: it wasn't fixed until 2.6.19 iirc |
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| 13:30.46 | abrotman | Kobaz: so check the debian patches and see if it was fixed |
| 13:30.49 | abrotman | if it wasn't .. file a bug |
| 13:30.53 | Kobaz | abrotman: i'm working on other stuff :( |
| 13:31.11 | abrotman | like having people run around compiling kernels for no reason ... |
| 13:31.18 | Kobaz | need to transfer some 50 million rows of data to our local network :( |
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| 13:31.36 | abrotman | AD2: you get that error when you're doing what.. and what's the full error ? |
| 13:31.41 | DikkyHearties | you get the url of teh box |
| 13:31.52 | Kobaz | abrotman: heh, not this again... there's plenty of good reasons to compile a kernel yourself |
| 13:32.06 | abrotman | Kobaz: if you know what you're doing ... |
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| 13:32.08 | DikkyHearties | if you are under attack |
| 13:32.19 | abrotman | DikkyHearties: do you have a debian question ? |
| 13:32.19 | DikkyHearties | ...eh? |
| 13:32.21 | Kobaz | abrotman: that would be a prerequisite |
| 13:32.22 | DikkyHearties | that would be MORE PLEASANT |
| 13:32.28 | abrotman | DikkyHearties: shuddup |
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| 13:32.41 | Ronin | stupid ruby bots |
| 13:32.42 | abrotman | Kobaz: you didn't ask that guy if he knew how ... |
| 13:32.47 | DikkyHearties | you didn't ask that guy |
| 13:32.51 | Kobaz | abrotman: i was giving him options |
| 13:32.52 | DikkyHearties | i was going to miss out on this server. |
| 13:32.54 | abrotman | !ops DikkyHearties |
| 13:32.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: DikkyHearties |
| 13:32.58 | Kobaz | abrotman: linux is all about the options |
| 13:32.58 | Ronin | eat me to it |
| 13:32.59 | DikkyHearties | linux is all fuxed |
| 13:33.00 | DikkyHearties | eat me to BECAUSE SHE senses her babies aren't healthy. |
| 13:33.03 | Ronin | doh |
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| 13:33.12 | abrotman | Kobaz: whatever .. you just told him it eats files and that was it |
| 13:33.17 | DikkyHearties | whatever .. you just told him it eats files and that GUY MICHALE SIMS? |
| 13:33.27 | AD2 | abrotman, that error was on the screen this morning... its a qmail server, one sec and i'll post a link to the error |
| 13:33.32 | DikkyHearties | that error when you're doing what.. and what's the full error ? |
| 13:33.47 | Ronin | DikkyHearties: /quit |
| 13:33.49 | Kobaz | is that a bot? |
| 13:33.50 | DikkyHearties | is that rly you? |
| 13:33.51 | Kobaz | heh |
| 13:33.52 | Ronin | Kobaz: yes it is |
| 13:33.52 | abrotman | yes it's a damn bot |
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| 13:33.56 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 13:34.01 | Kobaz | hehe |
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| 13:34.24 | AD2 | abrotman, http://www.byandrewdavis.com/rmap.txt |
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| 13:36.18 | abrotman | AD2: you could try asking the guys in #debian-kernel on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:36.25 | abrotman | !tell urughak about root |
| 13:36.38 | abrotman | AD2: or hold off on doing anything until the issue happens again |
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| 13:37.30 | AD2 | i had some issues yesterday, which is why i updated the kernel...(the whole server locked up with junk on screen, this was the second time) |
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| 13:37.46 | abrotman | any other errors/issues in the syslog/messages ? |
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| 13:38.30 | AD2 | nothing was logged for the problems yesterday but i did write down some items on screen, lemme find that |
| 13:39.45 | AD2 | something about cache_alloc_refill and do_sync_write |
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| 13:40.06 | drbair_laptop | BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#1... any pointers? |
| 13:40.53 | abrotman | AD2: i'd ask the debian-kernel mailing list or irc channel |
| 13:41.22 | AD2 | thx abrotman |
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| 13:43.26 | abrotman | AD2: is there a mm/rmap.c on your system ? |
| 13:44.05 | abrotman | apt-file doesn't know about it at all |
| 13:44.13 | abrotman | in sarge etch or sid |
| 13:44.31 | AD2 | i cant find it |
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| 13:45.37 | abrotman | hrm .. okay |
| 13:46.27 | doudou | how do i install ambulant player? |
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| 13:47.00 | doudou | is there an org for people against adobe products? |
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| 13:47.07 | ErkiDerLoony | *gg* |
| 13:47.08 | Shadur | ... Huh. Can someone please telnet to mail.charter.com port 25 and tell me whether I'm the only one that gets a very rude door slammed in my face? |
| 13:47.10 | ErkiDerLoony | Use kpdf! |
| 13:47.38 | doudou | for flash |
| 13:48.34 | ErkiDerLoony | Ah. |
| 13:48.42 | ErkiDerLoony | Don't use flash! |
| 13:48.44 | ErkiDerLoony | ;-) |
| 13:48.56 | drbair_laptop | flash would be more of an adobe acquisition |
| 13:48.59 | stew | Shadur: i get a 421 |
| 13:49.21 | ErkiDerLoony | Shadur: I get "Name or service not known." |
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| 13:49.27 | Shadur | stew: 421 connection refused from [your ip] ? |
| 13:49.34 | stew | Shadur: yes |
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| 13:49.52 | Shadur | Okay. I'm going to mark that one down as "retarded sysadmin at other end" |
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| 13:50.37 | stew | Shadur: yes, this is a problem at their end, esp since its the only MX server of record for that domain |
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| 13:51.10 | Shadur | stew: Right. |
| 13:51.11 | doudou | i dont want to use flash, but i want some org that propose somethig else, and at least few videos, i saw ambulant player from w3c but how to install it in debian? |
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| 13:52.08 | doudou | or some org that will fight against flash as a monopole or something like that |
| 13:52.28 | abrotman | !gnash |
| 13:52.28 | dpkg | [gnash] a GNU project to create a free software player for movies in Shockwave Flash format. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a plugin for Firefox. Plugins for other browsers may also be written afterwards. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. Before the launch of Gnash, the GNU project asked for people to assist the GPLFlash project. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ |
| 13:52.43 | abrotman | you can also do some flash-ish stuff with SVG |
| 13:53.37 | doudou | i dont want a way to read flash files, i want to get rid of this company |
| 13:53.45 | abrotman | ask #web |
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| 13:54.35 | vanksi | is there a good wifi app for gnome that works with wpa? |
| 13:54.42 | stew | Shadur: though since it is 4xx it is a temporary error |
| 13:55.08 | azeem | vanksi: did you try network-manager? |
| 13:55.53 | stew | Shadur: any error message starting with 4xx means that you should try again in the future without changing anything on your end, (as opposed to 5xx which means you did something wrong, don't do that again) |
| 13:56.09 | stew | unfortunately backwards from http |
| 13:56.21 | vanksi | azeem, how can i start it? can't find the right command |
| 13:56.40 | azeem | nm-applet |
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| 13:57.00 | doudou | i read that one should adopt the strategy to always propose peace but always try to fight back at the same level, as best strategy for life, seems linux and debian does not follow this rule, as i cant find specific linux hardware, and specific linux standards as developped than windows |
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| 13:58.34 | vanksi | azeem, it shows no wifi connections even tho it's active, i'm using ipw3945 on 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 13:59.36 | doudou | seems things are very strange, as power does not belong to people but to company that can impose their will on the market, seems it is communism way, and i want capitalist and a very healthy capitalist sytem |
| 13:59.42 | azeem | vanksi: it doesn't interefere with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:59.44 | pmjdebruijn | doudou: being 'against' Adobe is stupid... just bug webmaster that use Flash! |
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| 14:00.01 | azeem | vanksi: you will have to comment out that interface in /e/n/i if you want n-m to manage it |
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| 14:00.37 | loesh | doudou, please read up on communism before making strange statements :P |
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| 14:00.56 | szachista_ | hello |
| 14:01.19 | szachista_ | I can't install grub, it returns ""The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly." every time |
| 14:01.35 | szachista_ | can i use /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/stage1 insdead of that stage1 file from my boot direcory? |
| 14:01.44 | stew | szachista_: is /boot on a separate partition? |
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| 14:01.56 | szachista_ | steve: no |
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| 14:02.03 | szachista_ | stew: * |
| 14:02.15 | Apollodoros | nie moge sie polaczyc z IRCnode |
| 14:02.19 | Apollodoros | szlag |
| 14:02.21 | stew | !pl |
| 14:02.22 | dpkg | pl is, like, perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
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| 14:02.36 | doudou | loesh, seems very common sens, capitalism should not allow one company to have monopole because it becomes like communism |
| 14:02.44 | stew | doudou: please take this discussion elsewhere |
| 14:03.16 | szachista_ | what is the difference between those two stage files? does it contain any information about partition table? |
| 14:03.17 | stew | szachista_: check that the value for "# groot=" in menu.lst matches the correct device from /boot/grub/device.map |
| 14:03.25 | loesh | doudou, i refer to my previous statement... read up on communism... |
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| 14:03.36 | stew | loesh: take this discussion elsewhere |
| 14:03.40 | loesh | sorry. |
| 14:04.28 | doudou | stew, for one point this discussion should exist here : debian and linux does not fight back |
| 14:04.45 | stew | doudou: no, this is a support channel, not a philisophy channel |
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| 14:05.59 | nick108_ | Hi there, I'm trying to recode a utf8 mysqldump to latin1, but it seems that some (very few) characters are being corrupted |
| 14:06.17 | doudou | stew, support ... what support do you offer for people who want freedom in their computer use? |
| 14:06.27 | nick108_ | recode utf8..latin1 mysqldump.sql |
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| 14:06.47 | stew | doudou: i don't understand your quesion. if you have a specific debian related question, please ask it |
| 14:06.53 | vanksi | azeem, didn't do any good, even tho i /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 14:07.49 | szachista_ | stew: err... "# groot="? you mean "root=(hd...) in menu.lst? |
| 14:07.52 | doudou | stew, ok question is : what answer debian offer to watch videos without installing flash? |
| 14:08.16 | stew | doudou: gnash, mplayer, vlc, xine, etc |
| 14:08.47 | stew | szachista_: no, i meant " groot=" |
| 14:08.55 | stew | "# groot=" |
| 14:08.56 | pmjdebruijn | doudou: gnash |
| 14:09.00 | urughak | is it possible to use a Promise SX4030/SX4060 raid card with Debian? Where can i find documentation/howto's on installing it? I have been googling like crazy and cannot seem to find anything on this |
| 14:09.10 | szachista_ | steve: i have never seen "groot" in my menu.lst :/ |
| 14:09.13 | pmjdebruijn | urughak: doesn't it work with the default kernel? |
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| 14:09.30 | pmjdebruijn | doudou: but gnash is beta... so for good support you need the Adobe stuff |
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| 14:09.40 | doudou | stew, xine is emulator of windows .. so not good answer, mplayer, vlc, wont play videos that are into a flash |
| 14:09.45 | sn0 | latest gnash supports youtube :) |
| 14:09.53 | pmjdebruijn | doudou: huh? |
| 14:09.58 | pmjdebruijn | doudou: xine does not emulate windows |
| 14:10.00 | urughak | pmjdebruijn: doesnt seem to - I cant get my HDs recognized- it sees the card but doesnt seem to load any drivers |
| 14:10.05 | stew | doudou: xine is not an emulator of windows, it is a media player |
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| 14:10.20 | pmjdebruijn | doudou: ffmpeg can play .wmv and .wma |
| 14:10.21 | doudou | ok i dont know xine |
| 14:10.24 | stew | doudou: gnash will play flash |
| 14:10.38 | pmjdebruijn | doudou: then don't say such crap |
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| 14:12.13 | doudou | i thouth xine was windows emulator, gnash is not an answer to me because it will stop to work the day flash will change his standard so it is not very solid alternate answer |
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| 14:12.40 | stew | doudou: xine is a media player, you must be thinking of wine which is also not a windows emulator. but it is similar |
| 14:12.53 | pmjdebruijn | urughak: hmm |
| 14:13.12 | pmjdebruijn | doudou: seriously... that's true for any clone product |
| 14:13.17 | doudou | i stop using windows because i thought the day they will change their system i will loose my knowledge, i hope that linux wont change from one day to another so my knowledge will be more valuable |
| 14:13.20 | pmjdebruijn | doudou: what you want is impossible |
| 14:13.28 | stew | doudou: if you are asking what open source software exists that will be able to play flash videos in the future after adobe has made not yet known changes to flash, there is none, but i don't really know how that would be possible anyway |
| 14:13.50 | pmjdebruijn | doudou: that's silly... change is good (at least when well thought through) |
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| 14:14.08 | urughak | pmjdebruijn: yeah- I'm not really sure where to turn now- cant seem to find any docs on it, and promise doesn't have debian drivers. Any chance a RH or Suse driver might work? |
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| 14:14.36 | doudou | i would like to have an alternate answer to flash, as linux is alternate answer to windows, linux does not try to do same than windows? |
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| 14:14.51 | pmjdebruijn | urughak: probably not... you could try Ubuntu/CentOS (Ubuntu has a more recent kernel... CentOS has a heavily patched one) |
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| 14:14.54 | stew | doudou: i already told you. the only open source flash player is gnash |
| 14:15.16 | doudou | change is good, but you cant give all your knowledge in hands of one person |
| 14:15.20 | sn0 | doudou whilst gnash is not yet at the level of quality adobe's flash is, you are reliant on adobe for updating , there was a very serious exploit came out last week for one example, also adobe flash doesn't work by default on 64bit os |
| 14:15.23 | sn0 | while gnash does |
| 14:15.24 | stew | urughak: if you have a redhat kernel that supports your hardware, you can use the redhat kernel in debian, or you can figure out what was added to the redhat kernel and add it to debian |
| 14:15.31 | urughak | pmjdebruijn: I just got really sick of windows errors and dns corrupting on me and blew it away and installing latest debian, but all my data is on a raid5 behind this card- no access in debian means ill have to either go back to win2003 or move to Rh/Suse |
| 14:15.39 | pmjdebruijn | doudou: even if there was an 'alternate' to flash... as long as nobody uses it, it's pointless |
| 14:16.04 | pmjdebruijn | urughak: using vendor supplied driver is crap anyway |
| 14:16.27 | Shadur | ..... |
| 14:16.32 | urughak | stew: how can I use a RH kernel? I thought the kernel was specific to distros |
| 14:16.44 | stew | urughak: just install it in /boot and run update-grub |
| 14:16.46 | Shadur | Okay, anyone who wants a laugh, telnet to port 25 of decs9.uceprotect.com |
| 14:16.56 | urughak | stew: im not a coder though :) im a netmonkey |
| 14:17.03 | stew | urughak: is your card supported but it just doesn't see the raid? (sees the individual drives?) |
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| 14:17.21 | doudou | stew, you know it is not sufficient, so i thought that ogg theora could be sensible alternative, but did not found enought videos, and i tried smil2.1 ambulant player but it is not in debian why? |
| 14:17.26 | pmjdebruijn | stew: SX is hardware raid |
| 14:17.39 | pmjdebruijn | anyway using a RH kernel on Debian is crappy |
| 14:17.45 | stew | pmjdebruijn: no, it isn't |
| 14:17.59 | stew | pmjdebruijn: promise doesn't make any hardware raid cards |
| 14:18.06 | urughak | stew: not even sure it's supported. in the Hal-device-manager it sees it but doesnt show the drives and i cant seem to interact with it, hence my thinking that drivers aren't loaded. |
| 14:18.25 | mosno | is packages.debian.org not returning results for anyone else? all i get is 'Package Search Results', a hoz line, and whitespace |
| 14:18.31 | urughak | stew: its a HW raid card |
| 14:18.45 | stew | urughak: are you sure it isn't fakeraid? |
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| 14:19.05 | urughak | stew: lol- what is fakeraid? |
| 14:19.39 | stew | urughak: it is when the only thing the card really does is gives you a place in the bios to setup the raid, but all the raid functions are actually performed in software by the driver, not in hardware on the card |
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| 14:19.49 | stew | urughak: and afaik, promise has only ever produced fakeraid cards |
| 14:20.00 | stew | doudou: can you provide me with a url to the software you are asking about? |
| 14:20.22 | sn0 | nice Shadur :) |
| 14:20.23 | doudou | stew, http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/ |
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| 14:20.48 | sn0 | mosno packages. seems to be working fine here |
| 14:20.55 | stew | doudou: that is a language definition, not a software implementation |
| 14:20.59 | urughak | stew: oh good. guess im in trouble then. either new raid card or switching OSs again. :p ah well. thanks for the info friends |
| 14:21.20 | pmjdebruijn | stew: it's hardware assisted RAID... it does have an ASIC |
| 14:21.22 | doudou | stew, look in players title |
| 14:21.28 | pmjdebruijn | stew: SX is not fakeraid |
| 14:21.55 | donaldo_ | how can i deduce what is responsible for constraining my X resolution? even at a very low color mode i cannot escape 1024x768 (which is the resolution of the built-in LCD screen, but I have turned that off and am using an external CRT) |
| 14:21.58 | urughak | pmjdebruijn: should it work then? |
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| 14:22.26 | stew | urughak: check wnpp to see if a itp or an rfp have been filed, if not, consider filing a rfp: /msg dpkg itp ; /msg dpkg rfp ; /msg dpkg wnpp |
| 14:22.34 | stew | doudou: ^^^^ |
| 14:22.37 | stew | urughak: (not you) |
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| 14:22.44 | stew | urughak: can you find your card in the output of "lspci"? |
| 14:22.44 | szachista_ | i have removed the whole /boot/grub direcory, run grub-install again, it recreated all the files (including stage1 and stage2) but again, it failed at the end with "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly." |
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| 14:23.08 | stew | urughak: if so, show us the corresponding line (the line with the same busid (the first column)) from the output of "lspci -n" |
| 14:23.37 | stew | szachista_: check to see if the "# groot=" line in menu.list corresponds to the correct entry in /boot/grub/device.map |
| 14:23.51 | dashs | One of our systems (as seen via gkrellm) has some serious eth0 volume -- way to trace that back to an app? |
| 14:24.14 | urughak | stew: um...yes I can (maybe im getting stupider with age) |
| 14:24.30 | stew | doudou: btw, totem seems to support SMIL |
| 14:24.31 | szachista_ | steve: there was no such line, but i added it at the beginning of the file with entry found in device.map, still didn't worked |
| 14:24.42 | stew | szachista_: are you running debian? |
| 14:24.46 | doudou | stew, they spoke of smil spec but in the page there is also something about players and Ambulant a linux player |
| 14:24.46 | szachista_ | stew: yes |
| 14:25.02 | stew | szachista_: then if you just recreated /boot/grub with grub-install, there is a # groot= line in your menu.lst |
| 14:25.10 | szachista_ | steve: i tried to apt-get remove --purge grub && apt-get install grub |
| 14:25.16 | szachista_ | stew*^ |
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| 14:25.45 | szachista_ | stew: and no when i run "grub" i get "bash: /sbin/grub: no such file or directory" |
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| 14:25.51 | szachista_ | and now* |
| 14:26.05 | urughak | stew: all I see is- 00:0e.0 RAID bus controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20621 (FastTrak S150 SX4/FastTrak SX4000 lite) (rev 01) |
| 14:26.49 | stew | urughak: run "lspci -n | fgrep 0e.0" and show me the third column (it should look something like XXXX:XXXX) |
| 14:26.50 | urughak | stew: oops- here it is- 00:0e.0 0104: 105a:6621 (rev 01) |
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| 14:27.03 | urughak | stew: ok hold on |
| 14:27.10 | stew | urughak: no, thats ok |
| 14:27.25 | pmjdebruijn | urughak: oh crap |
| 14:27.26 | stew | urughak: yeah, there is no module for that card in the debian kernel |
| 14:27.32 | pmjdebruijn | urughak: that's fakeraid I think |
| 14:27.38 | doudou | stew, i forgot to tell you i dont want gnome, too heavy, i have x11-common and fluxbox (that i do like very much), so totem is not for me |
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| 14:27.40 | pmjdebruijn | urughak: try dmraid |
| 14:27.53 | szachista_ | yes, there is groot=(hd1) now, i tried hd0 alsa, still the same eroor |
| 14:28.01 | szachista_ | stew^ |
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| 14:28.29 | stew | szachista_: which drive are you installing grub to? |
| 14:28.39 | stew | pmjdebruijn: there is no module that supports that card however |
| 14:28.41 | urughak | stew: need to install it- hold on |
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| 14:28.48 | pmjdebruijn | dmraid! |
| 14:29.04 | stew | pmjdebruijn: run grep "105a.*6621" /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap |
| 14:29.20 | stew | pmjdebruijn: dmraid can't do anything with it if there is no support for that card in the kernel |
| 14:29.37 | szachista_ | steve: er... the thing is a little bit complicated, i have recentrly moved my whole linux installation from hda1 to hdb (with /boot dir), grub was installed before on hda, now i wan't it on hdb |
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| 14:29.44 | szachista_ | stew: ^ |
| 14:29.50 | smi2 | hello, how can I see what binary a packages contain? |
| 14:29.55 | smi2 | something like rpm -qf package |
| 14:30.10 | stew | szachista_: does hdb appear in /boot/grub/device.map ? |
| 14:30.12 | szachista_ | smi: dpkg -L? |
| 14:30.33 | szachista_ | steve: yes, |
| 14:30.33 | smi2 | great |
| 14:30.44 | urughak | stew: so should I be reading up on dmraid or is this a lost cause? :) |
| 14:30.52 | stew | szachista_: how does it appear? as hd0 or hd1 or what? |
| 14:30.54 | doudou | stew, i remark that sometime my hda is running and it should not, i think someone can read my disk, i think i will soon by a coreduo computer and be able to qemu my system (before i wanted to start a fresh new system each boot from ethernet but qemu seems much simplier) |
| 14:31.02 | szachista_ | stew: (hd1) /dev/hdb |
| 14:31.07 | smi2 | szachista_ : how can I install mod evasive for apache 2? |
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| 14:31.23 | szachista_ | smi: errr... me? no idea :( |
| 14:31.50 | stew | urughak: its a lost cause until you get a kernel on that machine that has a driver for that card, then you should be looking at dmraid |
| 14:32.30 | urughak | stew: any suggestions? im game- I just want to get this working and would really prefer to stick with debian |
| 14:32.33 | stew | szachista_: and which partition contains /? /dev/hdb1? /dev/hdb2? |
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| 14:33.08 | szachista_ | stew: hdb is not partitioned, i mean there is one big partition |
| 14:33.11 | stew | urughak: if you have a redhat kernel that supports it, put the kenrel into /boot, copy the /lib/modules/$version directory, then make an initrd for it with mkinitramfs, then run update-grub |
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| 14:33.49 | urughak | stew: awesome- Ill give that a try- thank you so much for your help! |
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| 14:35.30 | stew | szachista_: then you should have "# groot=(hd1,0)" then run update-grub |
| 14:35.50 | szachista_ | stew: already tried that, the same error |
| 14:35.54 | stew | szachista_: (if you don't run update-grub, the changes in groot arent' propagated to the kernels |
| 14:36.34 | stew | szachista_: and what command are you running? |
| 14:36.42 | urughak | stew: one last thing- would a fedora core kernel work? |
| 14:36.45 | szachista_ | stew: grub-install /dev/hdb |
| 14:36.48 | stew | urughak: any linux kernel |
| 14:36.58 | urughak | stew: thanks again |
| 14:36.59 | stew | szachista_: try "grub-install hd1" |
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| 14:37.34 | szachista_ | steve: the same error |
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| 14:38.01 | stew | szachista_: try "grub-install --force-lba /dev/hdb" |
| 14:38.46 | stew | szachista_: and currently your root partition "/" is mounted from /dev/hdb1? |
| 14:39.06 | szachista_ | steve: i have moved everything to /dev/hdb |
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| 14:39.35 | szachista_ | stew: /dev/hdb / ext3 defaults 0 0 |
| 14:39.54 | szachista_ | steve: sorry for mistakeing you with steve btw, it will not happen again :| |
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| 14:40.22 | stew | szachista_: oh, its really not partitioned |
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| 14:40.54 | stew | szachista_: i figured you meant one big partition |
| 14:41.05 | szachista_ | stew: yeah, but does it make any difference? |
| 14:41.32 | stew | szachista_: aparantly it does. but i know what you are trying to do is possible, i myself have done it a long time ago |
| 14:41.33 | doudou | who is steve? |
| 14:41.35 | stew | szachista_: you might ask #grub |
| 14:42.06 | stew | doudou: the person that is right before me alphabetcally, it s what many peopl get when they type "ste<tab>" |
| 14:42.22 | stew | people hilight steve instead of me about 50 times a day |
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| 14:42.38 | microtux | hi |
| 14:43.00 | doudou | stew, thanks ... i dont know to ask weechat to show me complete liste, i bougth a bigger screen but it is not enought big |
| 14:43.21 | dashs | nevermind |
| 14:43.28 | microtux | is thre any tool to make video capture on debian? |
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| 14:43.48 | szachista_ | microtux: screencast? |
| 14:43.55 | doudou | stew, could have proposed to run grub and try in command line? |
| 14:44.07 | microtux | szachista_, yes |
| 14:44.15 | szachista_ | microtux: recordmydesktop, istanbul |
| 14:44.25 | stew | doudou: if you think you would know how to get it isntalled using the grub shell, by all means tell him |
| 14:44.50 | faderhval | names |
| 14:44.57 | themill | OpenSSH server advertises that the box is running debian in it's server string. Is there a way of turning that off? |
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| 14:45.10 | microtux | szachista_, can't find the packages. Are u sure? |
| 14:45.14 | microtux | szachista_, can't find the packages. Are you sure? |
| 14:46.05 | doudou | stew, find where are the files stage1 stage2 i thing with setup (hd0,1)/boot/grub/ and then command root hd1 but i am not sure anymore |
| 14:46.26 | szachista_ | microtux: recordmydesktop should be in unstable |
| 14:46.35 | stew | doudou: don't tell me, i'm not the one trying to install grub |
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| 14:46.46 | wrodrigues | hi |
| 14:46.48 | microtux | ok, thanks , i'll try it |
| 14:47.01 | petemc | themill: the banner? |
| 14:47.09 | szachista_ | microtux: there is also gtk2 interface for it, gtk-recordmydesktop |
| 14:47.11 | doudou | stew, did you saw the program ambulant in video page ? i prefer to tell you because i dont know and you are likely to remmember |
| 14:47.21 | wrodrigues | how do I find out operating system version (32 or 64) ? |
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| 14:47.38 | themill | petemc: no, banner is turned off. If you connect to the port using telnet or netcat then you see "SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9" |
| 14:47.49 | stew | doudou: i saw the page for ambulant |
| 14:47.58 | doudou | http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/ in the midle of the page there is a word about players and ambulant a linux player |
| 14:48.21 | doudou | stew, ambulant does not work? this page is too old? obsolete? |
| 14:48.33 | themill | petemc: so it's at the protocol level (like the apache server signature) |
| 14:48.42 | stew | doudou: i don't know anything about it |
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| 14:49.03 | jelly | why are there no man pages for GTK? |
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| 14:49.34 | stew | jelly: libgtk2.0-doc ? |
| 14:49.35 | xeihin | guys what happen when I set 0 * * * * command in a crontab? this hob should be executed each 0 minutes? is that right |
| 14:49.37 | xeihin | ? |
| 14:49.43 | jelly | steve: that's html, not man pages |
| 14:49.46 | doudou | stew, can i know what programms read my disk, or keep a trace of that? |
| 14:49.48 | jelly | stew: that's html, not man pages |
| 14:49.55 | stew | xeihin: once an hour at 0 minutes after the hour |
| 14:50.20 | jelly | stew: I'm complaining about the format, not the complete lack of docs ;-) |
| 14:50.26 | stew | doudou: i don't know of a way |
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| 14:50.34 | stew | jelly: no idea then |
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| 14:50.57 | xeihin | stew: each hour? |
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| 14:51.09 | doudou | stew, and memory cache faults by programms? |
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| 14:51.18 | stew | doudou: why are you asking me? |
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| 14:51.27 | stew | xeihin: yes the * in the second colum means every hour, the 0 means 0 minutes after the hour |
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| 14:51.43 | xeihin | tnks stew |
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| 14:52.41 | doudou | setw, because you are the one who answers here, maybe you are a bot or a smart student? |
| 14:52.58 | Skiver | what does "retr" mean, in /var/log/mail.log ?? |
| 14:54.11 | stew | doudou: please just ask the channel |
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| 14:55.05 | _gAri- | hi there, I try to somehow list a the contents of a directory, and then get the date of each file, how can this be done? I try to use for line in `ls -l`, but for puts every word separated by a space in the $line var, instead of putting every line in the $line var. can someone help me out please? |
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| 14:55.50 | doudou | stew, you can be someone paid by gov to give answers ans study questions to discover tellolism, ask channel sorry |
| 14:56.01 | stew | doudou: what? |
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| 14:56.34 | doudou | stew, nothing, thanks for your help |
| 14:57.03 | doudou | i have nothing to say to steve |
| 14:58.47 | stew | _gAri-: you can change the IFS to contain a carriage return instead of a space |
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| 14:59.35 | stew | _gAri-: IFS is the variable that controls where bash splits input, by default it is any whitespace |
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| 14:59.50 | stew | _gAri-: but it sounds like maybe you should look at using awk |
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| 15:02.16 | Skiver | hi, anyone familiar with log file in /var/log/mail.log ?? |
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| 15:04.34 | ys76 | Skiver: That depends on the installed MTA... |
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| 15:05.40 | Skiver | ys76: line like this - > Jul 17 00:00:13 rev1 pop3d: LOGOUT, user=xxx@xxx.com, ip=[::ffff:219.95.189.2], top=0, retr=0, time=1 |
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| 15:06.49 | ys76 | Skiver: looks like exim.... Not my favourite aka never played with that thing |
| 15:06.50 | fasta | When I do kpdf /mnt/bar/foo\ bar/a.pdf , I see the pdf document, when I do see <the file>, see gets executed for multiple non-existing files. How can I use see to see that PDF document? |
| 15:06.52 | ys76 | Skiver: Oh, sorry.... |
| 15:07.16 | Skiver | ys76: i'm just curious with the fields..any idea what does "retr" mean ? |
| 15:07.40 | ys76 | Skiver: A user xxx@xxx.com retrieved its mail via pop3. |
| 15:07.47 | abrotman | Skiver: retry |
| 15:07.56 | ys76 | Skiver: I don't know anything about the rest of those entries.... |
| 15:08.07 | abrotman | i'd guess anyways |
| 15:09.04 | Skiver | Jul 17 00:00:34 rev1 pop3d: LOGOUT, user=xxx@xxx.com, ip=[::ffff:60.49.26.5], top=0, retr=24575, time=11 |
| 15:09.33 | Skiver | this means it retries this much ? |
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| 15:10.17 | rcb | what's the command to list the files in an installed package again? |
| 15:10.20 | abrotman | that can't be right |
| 15:10.29 | abrotman | Skiver: find out which pop3 daemon you're running .. and ask that channel |
| 15:10.32 | ys76 | Skiver: I hope retr means "retrieve".... |
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| 15:10.36 | abrotman | rcb: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 15:10.45 | rcb | abrotman: thanks |
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| 15:11.01 | wrodrigues | how to find out version of OS (32 or 64) ? |
| 15:11.08 | abrotman | !tell rcb about refcard |
| 15:11.23 | abrotman | wrodrigues: cat /proc/version .. maybe ? |
| 15:11.35 | abrotman | hrm .. maybe not |
| 15:11.35 | stew | wrodrigues: "dpkg-architecture" |
| 15:11.39 | ys76 | wrodrigues: uname -a may also help |
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| 15:12.02 | dezent | wrodrigues: uname -m |
| 15:12.20 | dezent | aah no |
| 15:12.40 | stew | dezent: does that return the right thing when it is a 32 bit os on a 64 bit computer? |
| 15:12.47 | Noborusan | does anyone know if eaccelerator has a deb for debian ? |
| 15:12.48 | abrotman | !pony stew |
| 15:12.55 | dezent | stew: 17:13 < dezent> aah no |
| 15:13.06 | wrodrigues | uname -m is i686 |
| 15:13.17 | stew | wrodrigues: it is definately 32 bit then |
| 15:13.22 | dezent | yes i was wrong |
| 15:13.44 | wrodrigues | if it 64 bit , then what should be the output ? |
| 15:14.20 | abrotman | the dpkg-architecture will tell you |
| 15:14.25 | dezent | the same |
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| 15:14.43 | bill_ | x86_64 |
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| 15:15.07 | bill_ | but that is the os arch, not necessarily the hardware |
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| 15:16.14 | wrodrigues | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.31 | abrotman | DEB_BUILD_ARCH=i386 |
| 15:16.47 | wrodrigues | yes that is there |
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| 15:16.51 | abrotman | that's 32bit |
| 15:17.07 | wrodrigues | but I want to try this on another server. |
| 15:17.20 | drbair_laptop | has anyone gotten debian to play nicely with gfs? I keep getting kernel panics |
| 15:17.25 | wrodrigues | and if it is 64 bit what should be DEB_BUILD_ARCH |
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| 15:18.16 | |DuReX| | kernel: swapper: page allocation failure. order:1, mode:0x20 |
| 15:18.20 | |DuReX| | what causes this ? :s |
| 15:18.24 | bill_ | anyone have any suggestions for a linux/freebsd/win32 compatible network file system? i'd really like one with encryption.... is there anything that's better than samba? |
| 15:18.31 | wrodrigues | DEB_BUILD_ARCH on another server is also i386 so it is 32 bit. |
| 15:18.38 | wrodrigues | ok thanks |
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| 15:20.00 | abrotman | bill_: there is nfs and samba |
| 15:20.10 | setog3 | hi, I see wifi networks with kismet but with iwlist eth2 scan I get no network.. any idea ? |
| 15:20.14 | bill_ | nfs for win32? does it work well? |
| 15:20.30 | abrotman | i have no idea .. but it does exist |
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| 15:20.55 | |DuReX| | http://pastebin.com/m226c93b8 |
| 15:20.57 | |DuReX| | the full error |
| 15:20.59 | |DuReX| | any id ? |
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| 15:22.23 | abrotman | wrodrigues: see .. it changes for different architectures .. DEB_BUILD_ARCH=alpha |
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| 15:23.00 | rdz | anyone familiar with 'shfs'? |
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| 15:23.22 | abrotman | rdz: that's not a real question :) |
| 15:23.28 | rdz | (commands 'shfsmount' and 'shfsumount') |
| 15:23.34 | rdz | abrotman, yeah, true |
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| 15:23.57 | wrodrigues | exit |
| 15:23.59 | wrodrigues | quit |
| 15:24.03 | rdz | abrotman, sometimes after some time, i cannot read anymore from a shfs mounted filesystem |
| 15:24.04 | AD2 | leave |
| 15:24.07 | wrodrigues | leave |
| 15:24.13 | abrotman | wrodrigues: /quit |
| 15:24.14 | abrotman | or /part |
| 15:24.16 | AD2 | lol |
| 15:24.19 | wrodrigues | thanks |
| 15:24.36 | rdz | i get 'input/output error' when i am trying to read from it |
| 15:24.52 | Aaron_ | hey i have a question how come everytime i reboot my pc i have to do dhclient i do not know what's going on why is not doing it on. when the pc turns on, |
| 15:24.52 | Aaron_ | is getting annoying |
| 15:24.52 | Aaron_ | any ideas on how to fixed this |
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| 15:25.02 | rdz | also, when i try to unmount it, i get 'input/output error'.. |
| 15:25.08 | Aaron__ | hey i have a question how come everytime i reboot my pc i have to do dhclient i do not know what's going on why is not doing it on. when the pc turns on, |
| 15:25.12 | setog3 | !wifi |
| 15:25.12 | dpkg | well, wifi is a silly name for 802.11b wireless networking. |
| 15:25.40 | Aaron__ | any ideas on how to fixed this issued? |
| 15:25.56 | abrotman | !interfaces |
| 15:25.57 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
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| 15:27.08 | rdz | abrotman, have you an idea how i could overcome my problem? |
| 15:27.17 | |DuReX| | nobody has any id what could cause my error and how i could fix it ? |
| 15:27.52 | dimir | !nickometer ||arifaX_ |
| 15:27.53 | dpkg | '||arifaX_' is 46.000% lame, dimir |
| 15:27.55 | dimir | !nickometer |DuReX| |
| 15:27.56 | dpkg | '|DuReX|' is 32.000% lame, dimir |
| 15:28.09 | abrotman | rdz: check logs for starters |
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| 15:28.32 | rdz | abrotman, which logs? |
| 15:28.57 | dimir | Page allocation failure, could be just out of free memory. |
| 15:28.58 | abrotman | messages and syslog |
| 15:29.19 | dimir | rdz: i. e. dmesg |
| 15:29.21 | dimir | and stuff |
| 15:29.38 | rdz | dimir, thanks |
| 15:29.43 | dimir | np |
| 15:29.47 | |DuReX| | # |
| 15:29.47 | |DuReX| | Free swap = 1485956kB |
| 15:29.47 | |DuReX| | # |
| 15:29.47 | |DuReX| | Total swap = 1486004kB |
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| 15:29.53 | dimir | \o/ |
| 15:29.57 | |DuReX| | it has like TONS of free swap?:s |
| 15:30.11 | dimir | ye but are you sure that process has access to all of it? |
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| 15:30.30 | |DuReX| | why wouldn't it have ? |
| 15:30.42 | GhostlyDeath | Is there a GTK equivalent to Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 for C++ on Linux? |
| 15:30.50 | dimir | Because of something limiting it's usage. |
| 15:30.54 | dimir | For example. |
| 15:31.16 | dimir | GhostlyDeath: you're asking for too much, I think. :-) |
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| 15:31.45 | |DuReX| | i wouldn't know what would limit it usage |
| 15:31.45 | |DuReX| | :s |
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| 15:31.59 | dimir | kernel could. |
| 15:31.59 | rdz | dimir, abrotman: i know that this happens, when i lose my connection. i could live with the fact, that this happens, but it would be cool, if i could unmount and remount the remote directory again. yet i have to reboot my box, because this is the only way i know, how i can get rid of the 'input/output error' message |
| 15:32.12 | GhostlyDeath | dimir: nah, i'm not asking for much |
| 15:32.52 | dimir | GhostlyDeath: I mean, for sure there is no such thing. :-) The only stuff that can be called "equivalent" is java apps. |
| 15:32.53 | abrotman | rdz: right .. look in the logs to see what is going on |
| 15:33.15 | GhostlyDeath | dimir: maybe I could try Monoing VC++? |
| 15:33.22 | helo | if i have a disk image from a hrad drive, and i dd it onto a usb thumb drive, will it boot? |
| 15:33.24 | dimir | GhostlyDeath: sure. |
| 15:34.17 | helo | will i have to add usb drivers to the initrd? |
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| 15:35.30 | GhostlyDeath | hey they readded wine packages |
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| 15:35.56 | abrotman | redid ? |
| 15:35.59 | helo | GhostlyDeath: kdevelop is probably the closest to VC++, without the drag-n-drop GUI stuff |
| 15:36.13 | abrotman | there's also anjuta |
| 15:36.16 | abrotman | and eclipse |
| 15:36.38 | helo | i've had bad luck with eclipse |
| 15:36.40 | abrotman | anjuta is fairly nice |
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| 15:37.20 | abraxas_ | hello |
| 15:37.35 | dimir | helo: KDevelop can't be GTK app. :-) |
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| 15:37.48 | numer | how can i force pear to download something which is set to stable but the version i want is beta |
| 15:37.50 | palestinian | hello |
| 15:38.02 | palestinian | each time I start my computer I get errors of I/O |
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| 15:38.13 | palestinian | how can i know why its happening ? |
| 15:38.21 | palestinian | there is a log? |
| 15:38.25 | dimir | palestinian: fsck the disk. |
| 15:38.33 | dimir | dmesg |
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| 15:39.22 | helo | dimir: you can develop GTK apps with it... not sure what he was asking i guess |
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| 15:40.21 | palestinian | dimir, thats the copy of the error: http://pastebin.com/m217e33a5 |
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| 15:40.49 | |DuReX| | Swap: 1486004k total, 48k used, 1485956k free, 256340k cached |
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| 15:40.54 | |DuReX| | seems like swap doesn't get used |
| 15:40.59 | |DuReX| | any id what could be wrong |
| 15:41.13 | dimir | palestinian: looks like a cases which needs fsck fast to me. |
| 15:41.32 | palestinian | dimir, what u mean with fsck? |
| 15:41.35 | dimir | see /etc/limits.conf |
| 15:41.44 | dimir | palestinian: filesystem check. |
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| 15:42.09 | dimir | sorry, /etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 15:42.35 | |DuReX| | nothing in there |
| 15:42.38 | GhostlyDeath | dimir: KDE programs always gave me a problem in the past, everything was too big and couldn't fit on my screen at all |
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| 15:43.36 | dimir | GhostlyDeath: I remember I was happy about KDevelop when I used it. |
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| 15:45.17 | palestinian | dimir, http://pastebin.com/m5cee7132 |
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| 15:46.54 | abrotman | where the heck is pdo ? |
| 15:47.48 | dimir | palestinian: that wasn't for you. :-) |
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| 15:48.04 | palestinian | dimir, sorry so |
| 15:48.26 | palestinian | "filesystem check" is not a command dimir |
| 15:48.48 | abrotman | stew: do you konw where pdo is ? |
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| 15:49.42 | vanksi | how can i completely remove gnome? apt-get remove gnome xorg didn't do much |
| 15:49.54 | abrotman | !remove gnome |
| 15:49.54 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 15:49.59 | abrotman | next time use aptitude to install |
| 15:51.05 | stew | abrotman: i dunno |
| 15:51.18 | skrewz | What's up with Xen in Lenny? Is it installable? |
| 15:51.24 | vanksi | !remove kde |
| 15:51.24 | dpkg | from memory, remove kde is aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
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| 15:52.13 | yangvnc | Is some software in debian that would allow to create a website dating portal (pictures, chat etc.)? |
| 15:52.24 | palestinian | someone can tell me how to fix it? http://pastebin.com/m6ebd5f7e |
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| 15:53.29 | palestinian | yangvnc, dreamweaver jajajaja |
| 15:54.10 | helo | i have a usb thumb drive i'm trying to use as my root (and boot) partition, but the device isn't available yet when it tries to mount my root fs... do i need to make a new initrd with usb drivers or what? |
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| 15:55.16 | |DuReX| | how can i generate memory load to test if swap gets workin ? |
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| 15:55.34 | pumpkin0 | |DuReX|: create a RAMfs and fill it ? |
| 15:55.47 | helo | emacs :P |
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| 15:56.22 | skrewz | Nobody up to speed regarding Xen? |
| 15:56.47 | Ronin | skrewz: try being more specific |
| 15:56.49 | Noborusan | can someone tell me which one i should edit ,i have 2 of php.ini |
| 15:57.15 | Noborusan | one is /usr/local/lib/php.ini,another is /usr/local/Zend/etc/php.ini |
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| 15:57.44 | skrewz | Ronin: I asked about Xen in testing before. It seems uninstallable, and I wondered if anybody know what's up with it. |
| 15:57.45 | pumpkin0 | Noborusan: did you install php via apt or did you do a fresstyle install ? |
| 15:58.00 | Noborusan | via apt |
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| 15:58.13 | themill | pumpkin0: freestyle... I like it :) |
| 15:58.16 | Ronin | skrewz: and aptitiude install xen does? i dont run lenny so ... |
| 15:58.42 | Ronin | !tell skrewz about Xen |
| 15:59.22 | drbair_laptop | switching to xfs from gfs feel like taking a gigantic dump... so much better |
| 15:59.32 | pumpkin0 | Noborusan: are you sure ? /usr/local/... does not look like it. And all my php.ini-files are in /etc. |
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| 16:00.06 | skrewz | Ronin: Oh. #debian-xen. :) |
| 16:00.18 | Noborusan | pumpkin0, im sure,well, this php was actually being installed by a sorta webhosting panel,but i did notice its via apt anyway |
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| 16:01.01 | pumpkin0 | Noborusan: can you install the debian-edition w/o breaking the webhosting-thing ? |
| 16:01.01 | Noborusan | pumpkin0, whatever,i mean if you also have zend optimizer installed,you do have 2 of php.ini in system right ?so which one to edit for global ? |
| 16:01.12 | obtix | how can i use the "mail" command to use a different SMTP server? |
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| 16:01.21 | petemc | obtix: you cant |
| 16:01.21 | pumpkin0 | Noborusan: /etc/ is for global... |
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| 16:01.46 | Noborusan | pumpkin0, i am not sure..hmm so do not use that one in Zend subfolder right |
| 16:01.46 | obtix | petemc: is there a mail comparable app i can use? |
| 16:02.12 | skrewz | Ronin: FYI: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen: "Installation on sid/testing: Need to explain the procedure, since there ain't the same set of packages ATM with kernel 2.6.21" |
| 16:02.47 | petemc | obtix: not sure, off hand - any console clients i know use the local sendmail , you can do some hackery with ssh port forwarding and pine |
| 16:02.47 | pumpkin0 | Noborusan: rename it and try to start php. if the system is as broken as it looks... |
| 16:03.58 | Noborusan | pumpkin0, can i know..why i need to do this ? |
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| 16:04.30 | obtix | petemc: thats a mess, which there some a bmail *nix port. |
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| 16:05.21 | pumpkin0 | Noborusan: that way you find out which php was hardcoded to use which php.ini. Nobody knows how the php packaged with the webhosting-thing was modified. The normal php found never ever find php.ini in the 2 places you found. |
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| 16:07.15 | helo | what's it take to boot debian off of a usb thumb drive? i've tried adding usb modules to /etc/initramfsblah/modules and running update-initramfs -u, but it still says cannot open root device "sda1" |
| 16:07.19 | Noborusan | pumpkin0, i understand,i will try,Thank you. |
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| 16:09.42 | stew | helo: did you add both usb-storage and sd_mod ? |
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| 16:17.54 | jeaneid | has anyone been able to get two ati sapphire cards working on a single driver. I have two dual heads that I am trying to get working, one of which only works. Th4e motherboard is a tyan tempest s5380. I am trying to have a triple head machine, but only two heads are working(only one card works) |
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| 16:18.31 | cmora | hi |
| 16:18.38 | cmora | can i auth the domain users in squid without display the authentication windows when open the browser? |
| 16:18.50 | cmora | im authenticating the domain user, but always request the user and pass. |
| 16:18.58 | cmora | i was read a lot months ago, to the smb_auth can authenticate the user in the domain session, without request a password |
| 16:20.14 | helo | stew: yeah |
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| 16:21.07 | helo | stew: i still see no mention of any usb device info... do i need to specify a boot param to force it to detect the drive or something? |
| 16:22.01 | stew | helo: the only thing i could think of would be if perhaps when you reboot your drive isn't /dev/sda but is some other device like /dev/sdb /dev/sdc or something |
| 16:22.08 | stew | helo: but then again, grub is finding the kernel... |
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| 16:32.37 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
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| 16:33.41 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 16:36.06 | doudou | why system need date to run? when i put bios date to 1999 system complain a lot, and again when i put it back to 2007, what part of system needs date to run? |
| 16:36.28 | doudou | is there distrib that run with time ? |
| 16:36.34 | doudou | without time |
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| 16:37.34 | helo | will an 'echo "" > /etc/udev/rules.d/z25-persistent-net-rules' in /etc/rc.local keep my network device from changing when i boot different systems? |
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| 16:38.09 | pumpkin0 | doudou: all systems will see files with timestamps from the future. That scares them. |
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| 16:40.19 | doudou | yes filesystem, but who scares? |
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| 16:41.36 | Debianix | hey guys, am having weird problem setting my machine on the dmz ... |
| 16:41.50 | Debianix | for some reason, when i dmz it on my router it works fine for windoz |
| 16:42.43 | Debianix | but on debian, it says SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
| 16:42.44 | Debianix | any ideas? |
| 16:43.58 | doudou | cant i config system for stopping looking future? |
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| 16:45.22 | SoulChild | Does lenny have problems? No uopdates for days. |
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| 16:46.23 | SoulChild | !lenny |
| 16:46.23 | dpkg | [lenny] the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
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| 16:47.35 | marcuss | Hllo ,hoe do i recursivly change owner ? |
| 16:47.38 | bzed | SoulChild: sounds more like your mirror is broken |
| 16:48.02 | SoulChild | bzed: no i don't think so ,.. i use the main mirror "ftp.debian.org" |
| 16:48.07 | bzed | marcuss: read man chown - it's chown -R |
| 16:48.26 | bzed | SoulChild: did you run apt-get update? |
| 16:48.33 | SoulChild | bzed: sure |
| 16:48.38 | bzed | SoulChild: aah... you're on i386? |
| 16:48.46 | SoulChild | bzed: yes |
| 16:48.49 | SoulChild | why ? |
| 16:48.52 | bzed | SoulChild: the buildd is broken |
| 16:48.54 | obtix | say i output to a file (ie: ls -l >>~/test/test.txt) and i want to run a second command that is similar to append to the test.txt file. how would i do this? |
| 16:49.03 | marcuss | bzed : how do you change owner anyway ? |
| 16:49.03 | SoulChild | bzed: whyt does that mean ? |
| 16:49.26 | bzed | SoulChild: or at least was broken. it means that there were noch packages built for i386 for about a week or so |
| 16:50.00 | bzed | marcuss: man chown |
| 16:50.31 | SoulChild | bzed: when is it goint to be fixed ? |
| 16:51.09 | doudou | if install grub on usb device, when i boot how grub find programm that makes usb readable? |
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| 16:51.29 | bzed | SoulChild: according to the topic in #dbeian-devel it is fixed, but packages migrate from unstable to testing after at least 10 days and when all dependencies are ready to go into testing - so it'll take a few days |
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| 16:52.29 | SoulChild | bzed: ahh okay |
| 16:52.29 | doudou | i think that some program is needed to be able to read usb devices, bios give first step to grub that is able to cope with all usb mass storage systems?? |
| 16:52.46 | helo | how can i verify that my initrd has the drivers i added to it? |
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| 16:53.31 | doudou | i think you must unzip initrd file, mount it loop in a directory and read into it |
| 16:53.37 | rolnxyz | what application tells me what PID is using x port? |
| 16:53.57 | MoDaX | rolnxyz: netstat -a |
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| 16:54.09 | stew | helo: its a gziped cpio archive, so un-gzip it, then extract it to a local directory with cpio |
| 16:54.15 | helo | cool |
| 16:54.36 | Tarraq | Good evening :) I'm new around here :) |
| 16:54.45 | SoulChild | Tarraq: welcome ;) |
| 16:54.47 | stew | and don't ask me if you need cpio -i or cpio -o, i can never ever keep them straight |
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| 16:55.20 | Tarraq | SoulChild >> Welcome :) |
| 16:55.37 | Tarraq | SoulChild Thanks I mean . hehe |
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| 16:55.54 | SoulChild | Tarraq: where u from ? |
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| 16:55.59 | rolnxyz | MoDaX, no PID shows up for the ports im looking for |
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| 16:56.15 | Tarraq | Denmark. Wondering how to get this client to tab-complete names . hehe |
| 16:56.36 | MoDaX | rolnxyz: try netstat -an |
| 16:56.42 | rolnxyz | tha'ts what i tried |
| 16:56.52 | rolnxyz | netstsat -an | grep PortNumbres |
| 16:56.53 | MoDaX | rolnxyz: then nothing is using it |
| 16:56.54 | SoulChild | Tarraq: i also wonder about that at beginning, it'd great isn't it,... i am just one country south of yours ;) |
| 16:57.30 | Tarraq | SoulChild, there we go. It was disabled in the settings. hehe. Germany? |
| 16:57.37 | SoulChild | yes |
| 16:58.20 | palestinian | someone can tell me how to fix it? http://pastebin.com/m6ebd5f7e |
| 16:58.21 | Tarraq | helo>> hello helo :) |
| 16:58.21 | SoulChild | ? |
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| 16:58.48 | Bogus8 | anyone here using 3dm2 by 3ware on debian etchy? I can't seem to stay logged in... after it logs me in if I do anything else it immediatly says "You have been logged out due to inactivity or Cookies are disabled" |
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| 16:58.58 | Bogus8 | obviously cookies aren't disabled and I've tried 3 browsers |
| 16:59.11 | Tarraq | It's been a while since I've been on IRC. Never really caught me when young. hehe |
| 16:59.49 | SoulChild | Tarraq: me too, but since i use linux,... there is no way to escape =) |
| 17:00.04 | TrueDD | je re |
| 17:00.13 | Tarraq | SoulChild>> Where in Germany? Well. It's a good way for quick help I guess ;) |
| 17:00.25 | TrueDD | + |
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| 17:00.32 | SoulChild | Tarraq: Bielefeld, knwo it ? |
| 17:00.43 | Tarraq | SoulChild>> Nope.. |
| 17:01.07 | SoulChild | Tarraq: well,... i don't know the name of one city in danmark, except the captial :D |
| 17:01.30 | Tarraq | SoulChild>> this was basically just a test, coming in here ;) Seeing if I could tunnel out of the school network |
| 17:02.12 | SoulChild | :D |
| 17:02.20 | Tarraq | deeker>> where are you from then? |
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| 17:03.09 | Tarraq | SoulChild>> and I could. Obviously. I used to be the netadmin at this dorm. then the school IT department took over and blocked EVERYTHING.. |
| 17:04.38 | Tarraq | SoulChild>> But they can't close port 22, since we have computer scientists living here. And then there's tunnels. hehe |
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| 17:05.43 | doudou | !free |
| 17:05.43 | dpkg | from memory, free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 17:05.45 | J_P | hi all |
| 17:06.24 | J_P | people, how I know what package have utility 'xv' ? |
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| 17:06.52 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 17:06.52 | dpkg | [search] try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 17:06.55 | jetscreamer | apt-file |
| 17:07.01 | doudou | !procps |
| 17:07.01 | dpkg | it has been said that procps is at ftp://tsx-11.mit.edu/pub/linux/sources/usr.bin/ (A package of utilities which report on the state of the system) or broken in potato, but the version in incoming fixes it. |
| 17:07.21 | freetos | does anybody here know how to get a wireless g router from netgear to work w/ldebian? It doesn't want to resolve when i go to www.routerlogin.net |
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| 17:07.30 | jelly | omg, is THAT an outdated factoid or what (procps) |
| 17:08.04 | doudou | !procinfo |
| 17:08.52 | jelly | !tell doudou about msg the bot |
| 17:09.22 | xen_masta | freetos: are you pulling an IP for dhcp? |
| 17:09.26 | xen_masta | *from |
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| 17:09.52 | doudou | !msg |
| 17:09.52 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 17:09.56 | freetos | xen_masta, i believe so, how can i tell, plug it in and do a ipcfg? |
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| 17:11.28 | xen_masta | freetos: yeah - plug your wireless card in, boot up, and run ifconfig -a to see if you're getting an addy. |
| 17:11.42 | xen_masta | I'm assuming that your wireless router is also acting as a DHCP server. |
| 17:11.55 | freetos | xen_masta, k, brb |
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| 17:12.48 | doudou | when some programm run the disk hda, this means there is a page fault from kernel? can i then know what process tryied to read disk? |
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| 17:15.20 | freetos | xen_masta, i've got my isp settings put in as static, i forgot dhcp wouldn't work for some reason w/my internet connection |
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| 17:17.06 | doudou | how i know the process that is reading my disk? there should be simple answer? |
| 17:17.07 | xen_masta | freetos: Okay, let me clarify: are you running multiple machines on a home network that share an internet connection? |
| 17:17.39 | freetos | xen_masta, i've got one machine, dhcp wouldn't connect to my isp, so i entered my settings statically |
| 17:17.44 | Tarraq | doudou>> configure top to show disk activity? |
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| 17:18.19 | J_P | you know what package have 'xv' ? |
| 17:18.53 | stew | J_P: xv is not in debian beccuase it is not free |
| 17:19.21 | J_P | stew: has repos non-free |
| 17:19.22 | deeker | qiv is much better than xv, and is free |
| 17:19.25 | Tarraq | Jussi>> Hey :) |
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| 17:19.55 | palestinian | someone can help? http://pastebin.com/m506f2cee |
| 17:20.04 | freetos | xen_masta, what if i added another ethernet card and then connected the router to my pc w/ the new card, would that work? |
| 17:20.08 | stew | J_P: its not in non-free |
| 17:20.18 | xen_masta | freetos: so you're not doing any NAT then? |
| 17:20.26 | J_P | stew: ok |
| 17:20.33 | stew | J_P: its shareware, irrc |
| 17:20.52 | freetos | xen_masta, not that i know of |
| 17:21.18 | xen_masta | freetos: generally your ISP gives you one IP address, which you assign to your router. Then the router gives out a bunch of addresses to your internal computers. 192.168.1.x is common. |
| 17:21.24 | stew | J_P: debian can't distribute it since it can't ensure that you actually pay for a license to use it |
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| 17:21.49 | h3sp4wn | rar is in non-free and shareware |
| 17:22.17 | xen_masta | freetos: so what you'll probably want to do is set your router to the static IP your ISP gave you, then turn on NAT and DHCP on the router. |
| 17:22.47 | Tarraq | doudou>> working? |
| 17:22.52 | doudou | tarray, man top is big, but cant find how to know who read disk |
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| 17:23.47 | doudou | tarraq, i will see what process is running next time i will hear disk running, better than nothing, thanks |
| 17:24.20 | smi2 | hi. how can I limit apache 12 max simultaneous connections allowed per IP ( i have apache2/ubuntu) |
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| 17:24.53 | doudou | tarraq, i may need some time to master better top |
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| 17:25.17 | Tarraq | doudou>> try looking in "man top". You can sort processes on user, cpu, ram, or in your case, disk activity. |
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| 17:25.45 | xen_masta | freetos: when that's done, your router will dole out an address for all the computers that you'll want to hook up to it, making configuration and troubleshooting a bit easier. |
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| 17:26.56 | abrotman | smi2: ask either #ubuntu or #apache |
| 17:27.04 | freetos | xen_masta, thanks you've given me enough to get busy for a while |
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| 17:32.43 | Tarraq | doudou>> what's the problem? |
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| 17:35.47 | jelly | !info clamav sarge-backports |
| 17:36.19 | doudou | tarraq, pbly me as usual, i found page fault (i am not sure this will give me indications on disk access), but did not found disk activity, i will search more, thanks top is much bigger that last time i used it |
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| 17:37.38 | Tarraq | doudou>> like many programs, it can be configured to be more or less verbose. Pressing "o" will give you the options |
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| 17:39.21 | Rug | Howdy all |
| 17:39.58 | doudou | tarraq, so what option should i choose for disk usage? |
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| 17:40.09 | xen_masta | freetos: no prob. /msg me if you need some more help. |
| 17:40.47 | Tarraq | doudou>> you can select the page fault option. That would make sense :) which program is actually getting the most page faults |
| 17:40.56 | Tarraq | doudou>> the disk sounds.. ill? |
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| 17:41.11 | allix | how do i install xen on lenny? |
| 17:41.14 | abrotman | jelly: the bot doesn't know wbout thos |
| 17:41.22 | jelly | abrotman: I see it now. |
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| 17:42.02 | jelly | blah. /me hates sarge-backports that depend on debhelper not in sarge |
| 17:42.10 | qmr | How do I change what debian thinks the terminal emulator is? |
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| 17:42.27 | qmr | specifically, I'm using openbox, and I want rightclick > terminal to open Terminal , and not gnome-terminal |
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| 17:42.51 | doudou | tarraq, the disk sound sometime, but it should never because once i boot it should never start again |
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| 17:43.03 | jelly | qmr: update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator |
| 17:43.10 | Rug | qmr: can't you edit "menu" like fluxbox allows? |
| 17:43.28 | qmr | hell if I know. This stuff is new to me :p |
| 17:43.35 | Tarraq | doudou>> sounds pretty bad |
| 17:43.40 | qmr | I'm striving for desktop linux happiness, and gnome is just too frickin' slow |
| 17:43.48 | abrotman | jelly: wouldn't there be a backport in sarge-backports :) |
| 17:44.25 | Rug | qmr: IMHO Fluxbox is the most 'editable' fast WM available. I prefer it to all the otehr WM's |
| 17:44.28 | jelly | abrotman: yes, but they shouldn't use newer versions of build-depends like that |
| 17:44.32 | xingu | abrotman: yeah bit it requires debhelper :) |
| 17:44.46 | Tarraq | qmr>> I haven't done linux desktop for years.. |
| 17:44.47 | abrotman | jelly: i agree |
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| 17:45.06 | qmr | Rug: I've recently installed openbox fluxbox blackbox wmaker. wmaker is what I used years ago when I was still learning stuff on BSD |
| 17:45.08 | TiMiDo | hey im getting this error while try to run gdm |
| 17:45.09 | Tarraq | qmr>> I love linux for command-line servers though :) |
| 17:45.09 | qmr | Tarraq: what is your desktop then? |
| 17:45.10 | TiMiDo | apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.16ac)apm: overridden by ACPI. |
| 17:45.13 | TiMiDo | any ideas? |
| 17:45.18 | Tarraq | qmr>> OSX |
| 17:45.19 | TiMiDo | why im getting this error |
| 17:45.21 | doudou | tarraq, why? you think disk is ill and launch itself? |
| 17:45.35 | Kobaz | TiMiDo: that's not an error... that's fine |
| 17:45.42 | qmr | Tarraq: it is kind of neat. friend of mine just bought a mac pro .. 2x dual core cpus, 5gb ram. I kind of hope he dies and leaves it to me |
| 17:45.47 | jelly | TiMiDo: that's normal, ignoreit |
| 17:45.47 | TiMiDo | well my X is not running i do not know why, |
| 17:45.57 | TiMiDo | something about the fonts |
| 17:46.11 | TiMiDo | (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" does not exist. Entry deleted from font path. |
| 17:46.15 | doudou | tarraq, xorg is best for page fault, it sounds normal it is a big program i suppose |
| 17:46.21 | TiMiDo | how do you installed those fonts? |
| 17:46.29 | Tarraq | qmr>> Still got a native terminal. But I need programs like Photoshop and Aperture (I'm a photographer). |
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| 17:46.31 | qmr | Any idea how to get back to the normal window maker menu in wmaker instead of the debian menu? I installed some package and the menu I have changed.. |
| 17:46.39 | jelly | TiMiDo: [Re: apm: overridden by ACPI.] means some misguided software tried to use APM and the kernel knew better |
| 17:46.52 | TiMiDo | okey jelly now how do i installed the fonts? |
| 17:46.53 | qmr | Tarraq: Terminal in osx annoys me. black on white. someone should be shot |
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| 17:47.22 | xingu | TiMiDo: you probably want to pastebot your Xorg.0.log somewhere useful; WW (warnings) won't be the only problem here. |
| 17:47.24 | Tarraq | qmr>> you can change it to green on black semi-transparent goodness ;) |
| 17:47.37 | qmr | Tarraq: barf. gray|white on black! |
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| 17:48.21 | jelly | TiMiDo: if possible, upload your /var/log/Xorg.0.log somewhere, there's all sorts of stuff there and most can be ignored |
| 17:48.22 | Tarraq | qmr>> in window settings and make it default. First thing I do on new computer. That one you described before is pretty much like my work machine :) |
| 17:48.39 | TiMiDo | jelly: where to? |
| 17:48.40 | doudou | tarraq it happened verry soon, and i did not saw anything strange with top |
| 17:48.44 | TiMiDo | im on text |
| 17:48.49 | qmr | Rug: So.. do you use anything to give you a notification area in fluxbox? |
| 17:48.58 | jelly | TiMiDo: some pastebin, for example. |
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| 17:49.07 | Tarraq | doudou>> don't know.. in cases like that, I normall trust my ears.. |
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| 17:50.04 | doudou | tarraq, thanks, i go to work, thanks again |
| 17:50.44 | qmr | Ok, I changed the link in /etc/alternatives/ still launching gnome-terminal instead of xfce4-terminal |
| 17:50.56 | palestinian | someone know a good graphic assistant for wireless, but not knetworkmanager/ |
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| 17:51.10 | qmr | palestinian: nm-applet |
| 17:51.51 | palestinian | ufff, the aptitude and apt-get dont install anything... |
| 17:51.56 | palestinian | aptitude install nm-applet? |
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| 17:52.54 | TiMiDo | jelly: how do i download the fonts from xorg? im having errors i've enter this dir /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc |
| 17:52.57 | TiMiDo | and it doesn't exist |
| 17:53.05 | TiMiDo | that's why my X isn't running |
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| 17:53.23 | jelly | TiMiDo: how do you know that's why? |
| 17:53.26 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
| 17:53.36 | TiMiDo | jelly: because im getting that error on the xorg log |
| 17:53.40 | hark | that's not an error |
| 17:53.49 | phix | i |
| 17:53.52 | phix | like |
| 17:53.54 | phix | debian |
| 17:54.01 | TiMiDo | phix: who cares |
| 17:54.06 | abrotman | TiMiDo: be nice |
| 17:54.06 | jelly | TiMiDo: there's all sorts of stuff there and most can be ignored |
| 17:54.16 | hark | palestinian: it's part of network-manager-gnome |
| 17:54.20 | DJ-Marcuzz | is it still posible to use ftape in debian ech or whaat tool would i need for an Ditto max drive? (not connected to an accelerator card) i want some good backup software |
| 17:54.25 | TiMiDo | blah well whatever now im updating it to lenny and let's see if it works, |
| 17:54.26 | phix | TiMiDo: ya mum |
| 17:54.27 | jelly | TiMiDo: put your _whole_ Xorg.0.log up for review |
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| 17:54.38 | abrotman | except the secret parts! |
| 17:54.43 | TiMiDo | jelly: not right, now im updating my syste, |
| 17:54.44 | phix | grrrr |
| 17:54.45 | TiMiDo | *system |
| 17:54.47 | jelly | !tell phix -about enter |
| 17:55.02 | palestinian | hark, u see an error here? http://pastebin.com/m59ca8f04 because I cant download anything but i dont get errors |
| 17:55.11 | jelly | TiMiDo: use the mighty SCREEN! (or another virtual console) |
| 17:55.18 | phix | jelly: ^M |
| 17:55.24 | qmr | use detach, not screen silly. |
| 17:55.27 | TiMiDo | mighty screen? wtf is that |
| 17:55.29 | qmr | er, dtach |
| 17:55.45 | qmr | TiMiDo: zomgnoob :P it's window management for terminal |
| 17:55.55 | jelly | qmr: that's just a poor clone. |
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| 17:56.07 | qmr | TiMiDo: you start a screen , run some program, then 'detach' it with ^A^D , then later go back to it with screen -r |
| 17:56.18 | jetscreamer | why do you have es and de |
| 17:56.21 | jetscreamer | make up your mind |
| 17:56.25 | TiMiDo | right, |
| 17:56.33 | qmr | TiMiDo: So good for example upgrading a machine over net with ssh , so you don't lose anything |
| 17:56.36 | qmr | jetscreamer: two totally different languages |
| 17:56.41 | hark | palestinian: what are you trying to install? |
| 17:56.43 | jelly | jetscreamer: was? |
| 17:56.53 | TiMiDo | dude, the graphical installer has a lot of BUGS |
| 17:56.55 | jetscreamer | i meant that for the palestinian guy |
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| 17:57.18 | qmr | Rug: PING |
| 17:57.22 | palestinian | es and de? |
| 17:57.26 | jelly | jetscreamer: ¿que? |
| 17:57.29 | jelly | :-> |
| 17:57.39 | palestinian | Hark the program u said, but I tried with severals and walways the same |
| 17:57.42 | TiMiDo | !ES |
| 17:57.42 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:57.46 | Rug | qmr: yes? |
| 17:57.53 | TiMiDo | !DE |
| 17:57.53 | dpkg | somebody said de was deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 17:58.05 | qmr | Rug: Do you use anything for a system tray in flux? and could I trouble you for screenshot and maybe config files? |
| 17:58.05 | TiMiDo | !RU |
| 17:58.05 | dpkg | i guess ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 17:58.10 | abrotman | TiMiDo: msg the damn bot |
| 17:58.19 | TiMiDo | !lart abrotman |
| 17:58.23 | abrotman | asshat |
| 17:58.23 | palestinian | jetscreamer, why not? |
| 17:58.33 | palestinian | jetscreamer, i must select from israel? |
| 17:58.35 | TiMiDo | !redhat |
| 17:58.41 | TiMiDo | ncie |
| 17:58.46 | jelly | TiMiDo: do behave, lest your own requests for help get ignored |
| 17:58.53 | abrotman | or he gets booted |
| 17:58.54 | jetscreamer | palestinian: you don't have to, but seems to me you would want the mirror to be as close as ppossible |
| 17:58.56 | TiMiDo | alright sorry about my behaviour |
| 17:59.04 | jetscreamer | !botabouse |
| 17:59.08 | jetscreamer | !botabuse |
| 17:59.09 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 17:59.18 | palestinian | jetscreamer, but the mirrors from here are very bad |
| 17:59.20 | palestinian | slow |
| 17:59.21 | Rug | qmr: just the default "slit" that flux uses. Disclaimer: I usually onlyy have 2 things in my tray; Volume & IM client |
| 17:59.26 | TiMiDo | i hope my X works now, |
| 17:59.34 | Rug | qmr: give me a second to look for something. |
| 17:59.39 | qmr | Rug: Oh.. so flux has a system tray then? I thought it didn't |
| 17:59.49 | jetscreamer | palestinian: whatever works. did you do apt-get update? |
| 18:00.17 | thelostbutler | hello folks,. i have a system in which there were significant directories like /var/lib/dpkg /var/cache/apt have gone missing (dunno how). i get errors like debconf: DbDriver "config": could not open /var/cache/debconf/config.dat when i try to install a package. is the situation hopeless or can something can be done to recover from this?. i had made the directories that apt was complaining about missing and created the files that were missin |
| 18:00.17 | thelostbutler | too. but i am stuck at the debconf error |
| 18:00.44 | abrotman | is there anything in /var/ ? |
| 18:00.57 | qmr | thelostbutler: What is your filesystem layout like? are all FSes mounted properly? |
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| 18:01.29 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 18:01.39 | HardDisk_WP | what can i do if a process dont react on kill -9?? |
| 18:01.55 | EmleyMoor | I used to manage my ssh-agent/key in X by having eval `ssh-agent` and ssh-add in .xsession. I have changed over to the GNOME2 desktop and am wondering how to do similar there |
| 18:01.55 | tarzeau | HardDisk_WP: is it a zombi? |
| 18:01.55 | qmr | HardDisk_WP: Is it eating up CPU? |
| 18:02.04 | tarzeau | HardDisk_WP: nothing? wait until the kernel cleans the mess up |
| 18:02.07 | tarzeau | HardDisk_WP: and fix the software |
| 18:02.21 | tarzeau | HardDisk_WP: or avoid using it (if it's far beyond unfixable) |
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| 18:02.36 | qmr | Everyone heard the kill dash nine song? it's cute |
| 18:02.43 | HardDisk_WP | qmr, no, but it's using the dvd drive which causes some noise from seeking |
| 18:02.43 | tarzeau | qmr: url? |
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| 18:02.58 | HardDisk_WP | tarzeau, it finished after 30 secs and ~10 kill -9 |
| 18:03.19 | qmr | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.monzy.com%2Fintro%2Fkilldashnine_lyrics.html&ei=1uGoRvbELaD4eaf91OMJ&usg=AFQjCNFmElMLmAbfDaVPqii_UiP2MZm0bA&sig2=fG5SWQ0d7MQpJy8K8CIADA |
| 18:03.28 | qmr | rather, : http://www.monzy.com/intro/killdashnine_lyrics.html |
| 18:03.36 | dareth | Anyone know of any good tech training on networks that isn't vendor specific? Or is that a pipe dream? |
| 18:03.47 | tarzeau | dareth: it exists. what country? |
| 18:03.52 | dareth | US |
| 18:04.10 | tarzeau | dareth: no idea there. but i know some in .ch (switzerland) if you ever want it here :) |
| 18:04.17 | dareth | laugh.. |
| 18:04.38 | tarzeau | dareth: if you have specific questions on that topic, feel free |
| 18:04.40 | dareth | Easy to find "cert" classes, but not real practical, "how to roll it out" courses. |
| 18:04.43 | Tarraq | tarzeau>> Needs to be hands on, or online? |
| 18:04.50 | dareth | hands on pref. |
| 18:05.00 | tarzeau | dareth: yeah i see what you mean. but do you have specific questions on something on it? |
| 18:05.12 | dareth | I have normal stupid growth questions... |
| 18:05.15 | tarzeau | Tarraq: ? |
| 18:05.17 | Tarraq | dareth>> ehm.. experience :/ |
| 18:05.21 | tarzeau | dareth: scalability? |
| 18:05.24 | Tarraq | tarzeau>> Sorry. was for dareth :) |
| 18:05.30 | dareth | yes.. |
| 18:05.31 | tarzeau | dareth: but what is it? networking? software? what? |
| 18:05.48 | dareth | Say you have a single lan... 192.168.1.xxx 255.255.255.0 |
| 18:05.59 | tarzeau | dareth: just a 256 node lan? yes go on? |
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| 18:06.14 | tarzeau | dareth: 10mbit, 100mbit, gbit, 10gbit? switched or not? |
| 18:06.19 | tarzeau | dareth: too much noise ? |
| 18:06.19 | dareth | Does it affect performance to change subnet to 255.255.0.0 rather than 255.255.252.0 if you only need some extra addresses... |
| 18:06.26 | xingu | 254 nodes. :) |
| 18:06.29 | dareth | mixed 100mbit, on gbit backbone. |
| 18:06.38 | dareth | Noise is only part of issue... |
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| 18:06.41 | Tarraq | dareth>> It shouldn't :) if switched |
| 18:06.56 | dareth | Almost all nodes are listening to UDP multicast. |
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| 18:07.10 | tarzeau | dareth: you'll probably not notice anything but you don't want to use /16 with 192.168.whatever :) |
| 18:07.14 | dareth | Would like to isolate some of the local traffic, but not block multicast. |
| 18:07.29 | tarzeau | dareth: but how much multicast traffic do you have on the lan? more than what ethernet is made for? |
| 18:07.32 | TiMiDo | blah |
| 18:07.35 | dareth | not really... |
| 18:07.36 | TiMiDo | !seen cat |
| 18:07.36 | dpkg | cat <~Cat@sal69-1-82-231-94-9.fbx.proxad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 4d 20h 56m 14s ago, saying: 'tamtam: you're welcome ;-)'. |
| 18:07.36 | seraphangel | [%] TiMiDo, well... i don't remember seeing [cat] :\ .$Bec(B»$B~?(B«UPP$B~?(B»$Bec(B» |
| 18:07.44 | dareth | Network can carry it... |
| 18:07.54 | xingu | dareth: the only cost in that dimension that matters is how large the ip<->mac matrix gets; above 4k unique addresses you'll hit some interesting performance walls. |
| 18:07.58 | dareth | Just hard to chop up network when everything uses some servers. |
| 18:08.08 | stew | seraphangel: please turn that off |
| 18:08.20 | tarzeau | xingu: we've got a 2k network |
| 18:08.36 | Tarraq | dareth>> multiple NIC's with access from each network? |
| 18:08.42 | dareth | Main reason to change from the smaller network is to get easier to filter blocks. |
| 18:08.42 | TiMiDo | is sid friendly? |
| 18:08.43 | tarzeau | including a bigger network witi multicast tv :) |
| 18:08.46 | xingu | dareth: shortest prefix match costs the same regardless of length; scaling factors there that matter are more to do with the number of covered prefixes than the length of the shortest. |
| 18:08.47 | tarzeau | TiMiDo: yes to me :) |
| 18:08.54 | dareth | Seems easier to cut network into blocks on third ip octet. |
| 18:09.04 | TiMiDo | lol tarzeau |
| 18:09.06 | xingu | tarzeau: :) |
| 18:09.14 | tarzeau | dareth: we used to have 11 networks. it sucked. now it's great (one network :) |
| 18:09.15 | TiMiDo | i've heard it was a bitch when packaged we're broken ;X |
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| 18:09.29 | tarzeau | TiMiDo: only if you can't fix them |
| 18:09.34 | xingu | dareth: once upon a time that's precisely how it was done; hence classful v classless |
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| 18:09.50 | dareth | That is the problem with learning online... |
| 18:10.01 | xingu | dareth: but the cost of shortest prefix match is the same in either case; it's a function of the number of prefixes covered by a longer aggregate. |
| 18:10.04 | qmr | I built a twelve node network once. it works pretty great! |
| 18:10.04 | dareth | You read/absorb tons of docs,specs ... trying to understand basics... |
| 18:10.20 | dareth | then last paragraph says... This is how we used to do it... of course nothing today works this way.. DOH! |
| 18:10.35 | tarzeau | xingu: i mean can't you have much larger networks if you don't have crap software put noise on the network? |
| 18:10.41 | dareth | nice xingu... translate to mundanese please? |
| 18:10.55 | dareth | crap software is sometimes a requirement... |
| 18:11.08 | tarzeau | dareth: even crap software can be configured |
| 18:11.21 | xingu | tarzeau: you run into the walls and you need to deal with them; at 4k ip<->mac matrix you're going to hit limits in access switch and router firmware (arp/cam table full) |
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| 18:11.31 | tarzeau | dareth: we also have a mixed network (osx, windows, linux and whatever the people have/need/use) |
| 18:11.31 | dareth | nog nog. working on reducing footprint... using local cached apps/exectuables... |
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| 18:11.55 | xingu | tarzeau: distribution/ core gear tends to deal with it however even simple things like arp can explode in your (the edge router's) face when the cache is that huge. |
| 18:11.56 | tarzeau | xingu: what if you have switches that can handle more? |
| 18:11.58 | dareth | if you don't have that many comps, you wont build that large of a matrix eh? |
| 18:12.03 | xingu | tarzeau: witness linux's userspace arpd. |
| 18:12.06 | dareth | Still plan on having no more than 200-300 comps... |
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| 18:12.10 | dareth | Just want to divide them logically. |
| 18:12.29 | PaniCC | hi, how do I install iptables on my NAS qnap ts-109?? |
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| 18:12.35 | tarzeau | xingu: i'm drawing an automatic network map of the ethz.ch network... i'll have the software for it online soon |
| 18:12.44 | tarzeau | xingu: gonna print it on A0 printer with color :) |
| 18:12.58 | xingu | tarzeau: sure, if the gear is rated for it; bear in mind what will happen during a link flap though if your switches are sharing cam in some proprietry way. |
| 18:13.25 | tarzeau | xingu: not my problem. and yes it wasn't easy to get the 2k address block :) |
| 18:13.27 | xingu | tarzeau: generally not a good idea to build switched cores that large |
| 18:13.44 | xingu | tarzeau: :) have fun |
| 18:13.45 | tarzeau | xingu: we absolutely needed it |
| 18:14.00 | tarzeau | xingu: i'm trying to get more nodes to fill the network up |
| 18:14.25 | xingu | dareth: so anyway; you asked "does it affect performance to look at /16 vs /23 netmask" |
| 18:14.43 | dareth | if you don't have more comps.. does it matter how big network size ( capacity is) |
| 18:14.52 | xingu | dareth: what I'm telling you is that as far as a given host is concerned the expense of resolving a neighbour is identical if this is the only variable. |
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| 18:15.13 | pipegeek | Hi folks |
| 18:15.14 | Rug | qmr: join #temp |
| 18:15.18 | dareth | I guess that means load is only based on number of actual connections/comps, not on address space? |
| 18:15.20 | gigabytes | hello everybody |
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| 18:15.34 | pipegeek | Hmm. So, I'm running etch, and I'm trying to build the pidgin package from sid. Unfortunately, bizarrely, the build succeeds, but debuild fails at dh_install because it can't find purple-remote (which build successfully, but seems not to have been copied into the package tree for some reason). No build errors, everything worked just fine up to that point, and debs for pidgin-data and pidgin-dev are successfully produced. the command I'm running |
| 18:15.34 | pipegeek | is debuild -d -uc -us. What Am I missing? |
| 18:15.40 | gigabytes | which is the command to easily edit the changelog file when building debian packages? |
| 18:15.46 | xingu | dareth: yes; the bounding factor being the efficiency of adding the n+1th entry to your ip-to-media address cache. |
| 18:15.57 | stew | gigabytes: dch from devscripts |
| 18:15.59 | dareth | cool... |
| 18:16.05 | xingu | dareth: and beyond some practical/ rated limit, the problem requires different solutions |
| 18:16.07 | gigabytes | stew: thanks |
| 18:16.36 | dareth | I need some training to fill in the gaps in my self taugt basics... |
| 18:17.02 | xingu | tarzeau: nb, if sub-ms latency/jitter matter to you, you probably want to test your distribution switches at <1k cam and >4k cam scenarios |
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| 18:17.28 | dareth | Shame that if you want to really learn something it is harder to find course than to find on that gives you a piece of paper to claim you know it. |
| 18:18.16 | TrueDD | re |
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| 18:18.35 | dareth | Anyone take any of the Cisco training courses.. CCNA bootcamps? Would they be useful? |
| 18:18.49 | DJ-Marcuzz | what happend to ftape these days? |
| 18:18.52 | dareth | At what point do you have to drink the kool-aid of a particular vendor? |
| 18:18.59 | xingu | dareth: speaking for myself I've learnt the least from course notes, a lot through experimentation, and the most valuable parts by working alongside folk who know their cookies. |
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| 18:19.20 | dareth | laugh, if we had one of those... wouldn't need to be learning myself... |
| 18:19.43 | dareth | See, I have a disorder... NDA disorder. |
| 18:19.51 | xingu | dareth: you're always drinking vendor kool-aid - it helps to think in terms of an abstraction which maps the theoretical to the implementation |
| 18:19.55 | dareth | It is a dangerous chronic condition. |
| 18:20.07 | xingu | heh, nda's, so very 90's. :) |
| 18:20.08 | xeihin | how can I know if a directory exist? this is for a bash script |
| 18:20.15 | dareth | NDA disorder is "Not a Dumb Ass" disorder. |
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| 18:20.24 | xingu | xeihin: [ -d somedir ] && somecommand; |
| 18:20.28 | dareth | gets you lots of work, and little respect. |
| 18:20.57 | xeihin | xingu bash: -d: command not found |
| 18:21.10 | xingu | xeihin: you left off the "[" bit. |
| 18:21.30 | stew | xingu: the command is actually /usr/bin/[ |
| 18:21.39 | xingu | stew: it's a shell builtin |
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| 18:21.46 | xingu | stew: and if not PATH finds it |
| 18:21.57 | stew | oh, not on my shell :) |
| 18:22.04 | xingu | fix your shell. :) |
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| 18:22.20 | darthmarth37_ | Can one include logic (i.e., if, else, ...) in gdm themes? |
| 18:22.25 | xeihin | xigu :D it work ... xingu how can I get access to the [ -d ] man page? there is no man [ |
| 18:22.28 | dareth | well thanks for the info. |
| 18:22.30 | xingu | I think "test" builtins were *the* original excuse for shell builtins |
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| 18:22.36 | xingu | xeihin: "help test" |
| 18:22.55 | xeihin | what is test? |
| 18:23.11 | xingu | "[" by another name. |
| 18:23.16 | xingu | obvious, really |
| 18:24.17 | xingu | man \[ works just fine here. :) |
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| 18:27.50 | xeihin | xingu how can I use [-d command] to do something if the directory don't exist? |
| 18:28.09 | xingu | xeihin: [ ! -d directory ] && someothercommand |
| 18:28.21 | xeihin | oks |
| 18:28.55 | xeihin | tnks xingu |
| 18:29.11 | magyar | hi , i have bind9 running and also lwresd. Should i remove lwresd if bind9 is running? |
| 18:29.40 | pipegeek | Hmm. So, I'm running etch, and I'm trying to build the pidgin package from sid. Unfortunately, bizarrely, the build succeeds, but debuild fails at dh_install because it can't find purple-remote (which build successfully, but seems not to have been copied into the package tree for some reason). No build errors, everything worked just fine up to that point, and debs for pidgin-data and pidgin-dev are successfully produced. the command I'm running |
| 18:29.40 | pipegeek | is debuild -d -uc -us. What Am I missing? |
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| 18:29.57 | xingu | magyar: probably not, but the best answer is measure. |
| 18:30.28 | xingu | magyar: avoiding trip to bind9 and back in the cache-hit case is probably worthwhile. |
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| 18:31.05 | abrotman | pipegeek: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 18:31.27 | magyar | xingu: thanks |
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| 18:34.55 | SlimG | Anyone got a tip for me on howto setup a firewall (GREEN+GREEN+RED) that authenticates the LAN users towards AD (Active Directory) on a separate M$ server ? |
| 18:34.56 | Serge378 | Hello, two years ago, some outside consultant installed a debian package on our server. Where in the logs can I possibly find when/what was installed by this person? Are the logs even kept for so long? |
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| 18:36.42 | pipegeek | abrotman: Thanks, but I'd rather not use some random person's packages, as they'll be installed on several machines, not all of which are mine. And, as for building my own, the question remains. |
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| 18:37.04 | abrotman | pipegeek: you're doing the same .. just the hard way |
| 18:37.07 | pipegeek | abrotman: Also, I need to build for multiple architectures |
| 18:37.32 | SlimG | Serge378: Not what you had in mind, but: You could "find" all 2year old files and check what packages they belong to |
| 18:37.39 | pipegeek | abrotman: I know, but this way I know where the source came from (our local mirror) and I know I can trust the guy who built it (me) |
| 18:37.58 | pipegeek | well, I can trust him not to be malicious---can't trust him not to be a doofus |
| 18:38.01 | pipegeek | clearly |
| 18:38.09 | Serge378 | SlimG: It was a driver that was installed from a debian package, I need this driver again but I have no idea what files it contained or what it was called |
| 18:38.19 | abrotman | pipegeek: you just said you were trying to build the sources from sid |
| 18:38.29 | pipegeek | abrotman: yep. |
| 18:38.33 | abrotman | the simple sid backport is the same thing |
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| 18:39.19 | pipegeek | abrotman: as in, " 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs"? |
| 18:39.29 | pipegeek | abrotman: because doing so leads to failure |
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| 18:40.37 | pipegeek | abrotman: In part because the build dependencies for pidgin from sid end up pulling in half of sid, all the way down to libc6 |
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| 18:41.25 | abrotman | pipegeek: they're build deps for a resaon |
| 18:41.29 | pipegeek | abrotman: So, I've been telling debuild to ignore build dependencies, because *I* know all the headers it needs are installed, because I've successfully compiled pidgin from upstream |
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| 18:42.26 | pipegeek | abrotman: and, again, all the source in the source package compiles successfully---it's just that things aren't copied into place in the package hierarchy properly before dh_install is run, which is very annoying. If I copy them into place by hand, it gets farther, but then fails again at the next file that wasn't copied |
| 18:43.27 | SlimG | Serge378: find -type f -ctime +730 #find anything that is atleast 730 years old, it's a start thou |
| 18:43.45 | SlimG | s/years/days/ |
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| 18:43.57 | pipegeek | abrotman: Thanks for the help, by the way---please, please pardon my shortness---I'm just expressing frustration at what I think ought to have been a simple process, not at you |
| 18:44.32 | SlimG | Anyone got a tip for me on howto setup a firewall (GREEN+GREEN+RED) that authenticates the LAN users towards AD (Active Directory) on a separate M$ server ? |
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| 18:50.04 | abrotman | pipegeek: no .. it's fine .. another potion .. check backports.org |
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| 18:50.19 | pipegeek | abrotman: thanks, I'll take a look. |
| 18:50.20 | abrotman | pipegeek: or check the packaging guide |
| 18:50.25 | pipegeek | abrotman: ok. |
| 18:50.53 | Tarraq | abrotman>> night night :) |
| 18:51.14 | abrotman | Tarraq: i wish .. i'm at work :) |
| 18:51.36 | Tarraq | abrotman>> bugger |
| 18:52.06 | Tarraq | abrotman>> It's called "checking the cables under the mattress in the server room office" :) |
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| 18:56.44 | phix | :D |
| 18:56.55 | phix | TO KILL EVERYONE IS TO LOVE EVERYONE! |
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| 18:59.34 | toad_ | is the testing version of kmail more stable? |
| 18:59.41 | toad_ | kmail in etch is VERY unstable for me |
| 19:00.00 | abrotman | i thought that was the general consensus with kmail ? |
| 19:00.10 | abrotman | though .. i guess "VERY" might mean more than usual |
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| 19:01.02 | toad_ | abrotman: :| |
| 19:01.53 | PaniCC | http://www.cae.wisc.edu/site/public/?title=iptables-installing |
| 19:01.59 | abrotman | toad_: checked the bts at all ? |
| 19:02.00 | PaniCC | what does step 6 mean? |
| 19:02.28 | abrotman | PaniCC: why are you doing that ? |
| 19:02.38 | abrotman | if you're using a debian kernel .. you already have iptables |
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| 19:02.48 | abrotman | !info iptables etch |
| 19:02.50 | dpkg | iptables: (administration tools for packet filtering and NAT), section net, is important. Version: 1.3.6.0debian1-5 (etch), Packaged size: 393 kB, Installed size: 1332 kB |
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| 19:03.26 | PaniCC | I got a special version, I think, for my NAS |
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| 19:04.50 | PaniCC | so it isnt included on my NAS TS-109 |
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| 19:05.41 | abrotman | why is it so hard to find a wiki that auths against PAM or anything besides some custom file/db |
| 19:06.24 | xingu | abrotman: because ownership is an anathema to the folk pushing the science in that area? |
| 19:06.52 | xingu | hey, there's a reasonable amount of truth in that answer |
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| 19:07.03 | pringat | Is there any way to notice a change in a /sys/ file without pooling it? thx |
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| 19:07.18 | Olgem | so I added the unstable repositories so I could 'easily' install mozilla-plugin-gnash, but apt wants to reinstal a lot of system stuff like linux-headers, libhal and gcc. How do I just install the plugin and its dependencies? |
| 19:07.20 | abrotman | there's fam |
| 19:07.31 | abrotman | Olgem: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:07.33 | stew | pringat: like what? hal would probably tell you |
| 19:07.58 | stew | pringat: like, do you get an event from "lshal --monitor" when whatever you are interested in changes? |
| 19:08.21 | stew | pringat: (not that "lshal --monitor" is a long term solution, but it would tell you whether hal is able to give you the information you need) |
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| 19:10.33 | pringat | stew: I would like to know when /sys/devices/temperatures/sensor1_temperature reaches a given value... to activate cpu-freq scaling |
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| 19:10.55 | massctrl | anyone here uses cfengine? |
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| 19:11.49 | xingu | pringat: cpufreqd, sensors plugin |
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| 19:12.04 | xeihin | hi guys |
| 19:12.26 | xeihin | how can gzip a file while is copyed? |
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| 19:12.43 | pringat | xingu: cpufreqd can slow down the cpu when it is too hot? |
| 19:12.50 | xingu | pringat: indeed. |
| 19:13.06 | xeihin | I wanna do somethin like cp file1 file2 |gzip -9 or something |
| 19:13.08 | xeihin | like that |
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| 19:13.34 | pringat | xingu: aha... |
| 19:13.46 | xeihin | xingu can you help me again? |
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| 19:14.20 | xingu | xeihin: cat file1 | gzip -c9 >file2 |
| 19:14.33 | xingu | xeihin: or, gzip -c9 <file1 >file2 |
| 19:14.40 | xeihin | xingu its a binary file |
| 19:14.47 | xingu | cat is 8bit clean. |
| 19:15.19 | xeihin | what that means xingu? |
| 19:15.24 | Braindead | "it works" |
| 19:15.33 | xingu | it means that it doesn't matter whether or not it's readable text |
| 19:15.47 | xeihin | it means that I can cat a picture or a binary file? |
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| 19:15.52 | xingu | yep. |
| 19:16.05 | xingu | xeihin: the second form is mildly more efficient |
| 19:16.20 | xeihin | I like the second form |
| 19:16.35 | pringat | xingu: man says that pmu is not yet implemented in cpufreqd, and I have a powerpc.... hmmm... |
| 19:17.09 | xeihin | xingu the -c is nedeed or it can be just -9 |
| 19:17.14 | xingu | pringat: aah, oh well forget I spoke; yes cpufreqd is heavily x86 influenced |
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| 19:17.52 | Noborusan | which command to show the ID that runs apache ? |
| 19:17.52 | pringat | I was thinking to make a script that changes the cpu-freq according to /proc/pmu |
| 19:17.59 | Noborusan | usually its www-data |
| 19:18.00 | dutchguy | What is an good alternative for firestarter wich starts automatically? |
| 19:18.08 | xingu | xeihin: I'd use it myself; test to see. |
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| 19:19.11 | pringat | or to /sys/devices/temperatures/sensor1_temperature ... |
| 19:19.15 | xingu | pringat: fair enough; good luck; it might be interesting to put the same effort into teaching cpufreq about your (I assume - non hwmon-based - temp sensing framework) |
| 19:20.06 | pringat | xingu: I'm just a newbie... I'm not able to modify any code... |
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| 19:29.32 | Olgem | I'm getting (28 no space left on device) errors when I try and install source backports even when I do have enough disk space... I've read online that this has something to do with /var or /tmp being filled up? |
| 19:29.49 | zapada | how do i autodetect for a network? |
| 19:29.54 | jmalicki | olgem: if anything in df -h fills up it will be an issue |
| 19:30.03 | xand | !install x |
| 19:30.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid (386 only) mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or <xorg> |
| 19:30.13 | xand | !xorg |
| 19:30.13 | dpkg | [xorg] X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.2. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg (freenode) |
| 19:30.13 | Going4Linux | help! how can i installe Internet Explorer 7 in debian? |
| 19:30.23 | Olgem | jmalicki, I looked in df -h, nothing filled to the max |
| 19:30.24 | xand | Going4Linux: you can't |
| 19:30.34 | zapada | !install network |
| 19:30.37 | Olgem | my system partition has 3.5gigs left and /home has about 5gigs |
| 19:30.43 | Going4Linux | why not? |
| 19:30.50 | jmalicki | olgem: is anything *close*? |
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| 19:31.01 | Olgem | Only my cdrom at 100% |
| 19:31.06 | jmalicki | hmm |
| 19:31.25 | xingu | Olgem: are you mounting /tmp with size= ? |
| 19:31.40 | Olgem | I'm not doing anything with tmp, I just threw that out there |
| 19:31.40 | xand | Going4Linux: because debian isn't windows |
| 19:31.49 | xingu | Olgem: grep size /proc/mounts |
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| 19:32.21 | lightning | why won't terminal windows maximize properly? |
| 19:32.26 | xand | lightning: meaning? |
| 19:32.54 | lightning | i'm on icewm and i maximize a terminal and i see all the window borders, but on no other apps does it maximize like this |
| 19:33.03 | lightning | even with xterm, xvt, it does the same |
| 19:33.04 | no00b | I guess you could install ie7 after all: install vmware, install windows in vmware, and install ie7 in windows Going4Linux |
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| 19:33.42 | lightning | xand: is it the sizing of the window or something? |
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| 19:33.54 | Going4Linux | xand: does that matter? |
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| 19:34.00 | xand | I'm not sure what you mean... screenshot? |
| 19:34.01 | Olgem | xingu, there isn't anything labled size in /proc/mounts(maybe there is but proc doesn't return anything) opening up proc/mounts with nano reveals stuff, but I'm not sure how relavent it is |
| 19:34.10 | Olgem | but grep* |
| 19:34.13 | xand | Going4Linux: go ask MS how to install their products |
| 19:34.14 | Olgem | doesn't return anything |
| 19:34.20 | lightning | i don't know how to screenshot on icewm |
| 19:34.23 | nobinstructor | Going4Linux: you want to use internet explorer 7? then use windows! |
| 19:34.32 | Olgem | Going4Linux, how about wine? |
| 19:34.33 | zapada | does ifconfig automatically detect eth0 or do i have to make it detecet eth0? |
| 19:34.34 | Going4Linux | xand im gonna install linux |
| 19:34.50 | streuner | zapada: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 19:34.56 | xand | Going4Linux: yes... |
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| 19:35.08 | xand | Going4Linux: IE is a windows program. |
| 19:35.19 | Braindead | Going4Linux: how about STFW? | debian internet explorer | on google |
| 19:35.42 | Braindead | assuming you *absolutely* need IE7, of course |
| 19:35.50 | Olgem | xingu, where should I go from here? |
| 19:35.52 | Going4Linux | xand: but i read someone installed ie4 or something |
| 19:36.00 | no00b | i love to see nice collaborative people helping out each other |
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| 19:36.08 | Olgem | anyway to force the operation so it ignored disk space restraints? |
| 19:36.18 | toad_ | what does this mean? : E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 19:36.31 | stew | toad_: /msg dpkg mmap |
| 19:36.32 | tarzeau | !Dynamic MMap |
| 19:36.33 | dpkg | from memory, dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need |
| 19:36.39 | streuner | Olgem: rm pr0n ;-) |
| 19:36.43 | xingu | Olgem: it was a boolean - you're not constraining the size of a tmpfs with size= mount option is the outcome. |
| 19:36.50 | stew | toad_: though it likely means you have more repsotiries than you really need in sources.list |
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| 19:37.02 | xand | Going4Linux: why would you want IE? use iceweasel |
| 19:37.09 | tarzeau | xand: for animated mouse cursors |
| 19:37.16 | toad_ | yeah i have a couple diff sources because one is fast but not always reliable |
| 19:37.20 | tarzeau | xand: for really fast scrolling in large html tables |
| 19:37.22 | xand | what packages should I install for a local X installation? |
| 19:37.22 | xingu | Olgem: the problem lies elsewhere IOW; if it were my problem, I'd go straight for strace and find the problem that way |
| 19:37.36 | xand | the dpkg factoids seem to assume you're using sarge or something |
| 19:37.36 | tarzeau | xand: x client or server? |
| 19:37.38 | Going4Linux | xand: it got zoom in the bottom right corner to zoom up the whole page that uses nano sized fonts |
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| 19:37.47 | lightning | yeah, no terminal will maximize properly for me |
| 19:37.54 | xand | tarzeau: both. |
| 19:37.54 | tarzeau | lightning: kde? |
| 19:38.00 | lightning | tarzeau: icewm |
| 19:38.10 | tarzeau | xand: x-window-system-core and whatever else you need |
| 19:38.12 | Olgem | xingu I'll ask my linux-savant friend, thanks anyways :) |
| 19:38.16 | xeihin | guys |
| 19:38.25 | tarzeau | xand: i usually take amiwm and wmaker gnustep. and menu! |
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| 19:38.45 | tarzeau | xand: pretty slim, beautiful, and gets you started with stuff |
| 19:38.53 | xeihin | the directory /etc/cron.daily excute the task at what houer? |
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| 19:39.10 | xeihin | it work in a random time? |
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| 19:39.57 | xand | tarzeau: I don't need to "get started"... I can never remember what to install for X is all |
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| 19:40.06 | tarzeau | xand: ah :) |
| 19:40.12 | xand | xeihin: look at /etc/crontab |
| 19:40.17 | xand | xeihin: probably 6.25am |
| 19:43.06 | xeihin | xand why at 6.25am? |
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| 19:47.58 | esters | About package pinning, i have set in /etc/apt/preferences www.debian-multimedia.org priority 300 , but how can i install packages by using apt-get install package/release , thus none apt-get intstall mplayer/www.debian-multimedia.org doesn't work |
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| 19:50.25 | Baktaah | msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 19:51.01 | esters | well ok |
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| 19:52.23 | abrotman | xeihin: most systems aren't heavily used at that time |
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| 19:52.42 | Baktaah | ehm is it possible to put netinstall on a USB? |
| 19:52.51 | esters | yes |
| 19:52.52 | xeihin | abrotman but my system are ¬¬ |
| 19:53.04 | abrotman | broken ? |
| 19:53.05 | esters | Baktaah: check debian install manual |
| 19:53.52 | Baktaah | esters doesnt say how... |
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| 19:54.32 | Baktaah | nvm |
| 19:54.32 | Baktaah | found |
| 19:54.34 | esters | Baktaah: well i have installed debian from usb sitck |
| 19:54.49 | Baktaah | esters but it says it requires another linux installed |
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| 19:55.31 | esters | Baktaah: well you need to somehow put on the debian install on usb stick , don't you think ? :) |
| 19:55.40 | TrueDD | re |
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| 19:56.12 | Baktaah | esters yeah |
| 19:56.21 | Baktaah | but I dont got a linux boot lying around on any of me HDDs |
| 19:56.33 | esters | you have windooz ? |
| 19:56.58 | Baktaah | vista 64 yes |
| 19:57.33 | esters | aha |
| 19:58.05 | esters | well really download a live-cd |
| 19:58.23 | esters | then do the steps written in the debian install manual |
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| 19:59.11 | Baktaah | esters cant run a live cd... |
| 19:59.13 | Baktaah | get tty job error. |
| 19:59.15 | xand | xeihin: no idea |
| 19:59.26 | Baktaah | tried knoppix, and ubuntu |
| 19:59.30 | esters | aha |
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| 20:00.48 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 20:00.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
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| 20:02.38 | Baktaah | abrotman if you got here earlier then you would know that we have already discussed that |
| 20:02.48 | Baktaah | Is there no way to boot off an USB withouth having linux installed? |
| 20:02.58 | abrotman | Baktaah: i've been here all day! |
| 20:03.09 | abrotman | Baktaah: what do you mean .. you mean to prep the key ? |
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| 20:03.22 | Baktaah | huh no I mean to get netintstall and boot from USB |
| 20:03.33 | Baktaah | but I cant do that without having a linux dist installed |
| 20:03.41 | abrotman | because you have to prepare the key .. okay ... |
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| 20:04.01 | uski | hi, any posibility to encrypt a hard drive (namely my root partition) without loosing the data on it ? i would do this from some live CD |
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| 20:06.02 | tutt9876 | hi, got a problem to find a driver for an integrated to motherboard network card |
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| 20:06.25 | tutt9876 | i had used a 'discover' command but It returned no module |
| 20:06.44 | uski | tutt9876, what's this controller ? try to see with lspci |
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| 20:07.19 | tutt9876 | no it's an integrated card, it didn't find something either |
| 20:07.25 | abrotman | lspci |
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| 20:08.32 | tutt9876 | it's an intel 82566DM gibabit network |
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| 20:09.04 | tutt9876 | but didn't find a driver: how to be sure it doens't exist? |
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| 20:09.36 | parag | Hi, Can anybody suggest me "all in one free linux apliance" with Proxy + firewall + fax + email everything....? |
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| 20:10.06 | tutt9876 | it's an intel 82566DM gibabit network integrated card |
| 20:10.14 | TiMiDo | hey how do i enable dhclient on start up is not starting up everytime i boot i have to do dhclient my self how can i fixed this |
| 20:10.48 | tutt9876 | setup startup service for dhcp |
| 20:10.54 | Baktaah | tutt9876 do u got an wifi? |
| 20:10.55 | TiMiDo | tutt9876, how? |
| 20:11.02 | uski | tutt9876, try the e1000 module or e1000-ich9 |
| 20:11.05 | Baktaah | tutt9876 I think we got the same board, is it a really new laptop= |
| 20:11.12 | tutt9876 | rc-update .. |
| 20:11.18 | TiMiDo | tutt9876, rc-update what? |
| 20:12.24 | tutt9876 | e1000 didn't work i think: i did a network restart after modprobe but still nothing |
| 20:12.41 | parag | Hi, Can anybody suggest me "all in one free linux apliance" with Proxy + firewall + fax + email everything....? |
| 20:12.48 | TiMiDo | hey how do i enable dhclient on start up is not starting up everytime i boot i have to do dhclient my self how can i fixed this |
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| 20:13.10 | uski | tutt9876, when you hve just loaded a module, enter "dmesg" to see if the card was recognized and/or if any error message shows |
| 20:13.13 | tutt9876 | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 |
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| 20:13.26 | abrotman | !tell TiMiDo about interfaces |
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| 20:13.50 | tutt9876 | uski : do i need to reboot to activate the module? |
| 20:13.55 | TiMiDo | abrotman, do you know on how to started it up on start up? |
| 20:14.06 | uski | tutt9876, nope, but avoid using the "frontend" graphical tools |
| 20:14.07 | abrotman | man interfaces .. read the man page |
| 20:14.18 | uski | everything you need is available from command line and you're sure the modificatoins are instant |
| 20:14.35 | TiMiDo | abrotman, i did tha alrready |
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| 20:15.00 | abrotman | then read it again .. you missed it |
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| 20:18.44 | en1gma | hey all |
| 20:18.45 | en1gma | sup |
| 20:18.51 | chowmeined | how do I force purge? I want this package to remove modified config files |
| 20:19.01 | chowmeined | I keep getting, "Not empty so not removed" |
| 20:20.26 | xand | en1gma: I already supped, but thanks for the suggestion |
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| 20:23.23 | en1gma | i got a compaq presario 5204 for free http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00013229&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&tool=prodinfoCategory&product=93134&dest_page=prodinfoCategory but i am having a BITCH of a time with it....if someone could help me get some probs sorted out i would appreciate it |
| 20:23.47 | lightning | i'm using icewm, but can anyone help me setup and auto login and an auto startx at bootup. i have no *dm because i execute .xsession with some commands |
| 20:24.02 | en1gma | its an amd k6-2 350mhz with 64mb mem and onboard video (ati rage ) and onboard sound.....im not sure what sound driver gets installed |
| 20:24.11 | en1gma | and im not sure if fglrx will work with it |
| 20:24.20 | en1gma | and i need to resize my page file |
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| 20:24.34 | HardDisk_WP | en1gma, the COMPAQ sound chipsets can cause FREAKY problems... |
| 20:24.46 | HardDisk_WP | as some models are connected via ISA => no hotplug :X |
| 20:24.50 | en1gma | i took out the modem and added a tv card other wise its default just like on that page |
| 20:24.52 | HardDisk_WP | had problems myself.. |
| 20:25.18 | en1gma | yea its isa but i think i keep installing the wrong driver |
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| 20:25.27 | HardDisk_WP | en1gma, you have to find out in the BIOS the hardware addresses for the soundchip / the chip model and load the kernel module with the correct ports |
| 20:25.37 | HardDisk_WP | ports==hw adresses |
| 20:25.39 | tyler-wylie | Where CentOS, Gentoo, and everything else fails for my server, Debian succeeds and makes me happy! |
| 20:25.45 | en1gma | the bios is very very limited and i mean very |
| 20:25.56 | HardDisk_WP | en1gma, such an Win3.11 based thing? |
| 20:25.58 | lightning | does anyone know how to setup an auto login without a *dm |
| 20:26.08 | en1gma | it dont even have a drive boot order |
| 20:26.19 | en1gma | yea its the worst bios i ever seen |
| 20:26.39 | en1gma | basically a few on off switches |
| 20:26.59 | tminos | pawning that is what you SHOULD do. |
| 20:27.15 | HardDisk_WP | en1gma, or install WinShit (maybe 98 SE) and get the HW-IDs from its HW manager |
| 20:27.18 | en1gma | its so screwed up i cant even put a diff nic in....and firestarter wont even work with the nic compaq put in |
| 20:27.49 | en1gma | winme and win98 wont even update at windows update |
| 20:27.54 | en1gma | it is worse |
| 20:28.51 | en1gma | my biggest problem right now is i have 64meg ram and a 180mb page file and im in gnome |
| 20:28.51 | en1gma | lol |
| 20:29.00 | en1gma | 16mb of that goes to onboard video |
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| 20:29.28 | en1gma | just switch from irc to iceweasel takes 2-3mins |
| 20:29.36 | abrotman | en1gma: it has a floppy bios IIRC .. compaq made quite a few of those |
| 20:29.36 | HardDisk_WP | en1gma, CTRL+ALT+F1 => login => apt-get remove gnome =>apt-get install xfce |
| 20:29.48 | en1gma | i have fluxbox on also |
| 20:29.58 | lightning | apt-get install icewm |
| 20:30.02 | lightning | its so cool |
| 20:30.05 | en1gma | but it wouldnt list things that i installled in its menus |
| 20:30.06 | lightning | no panel! |
| 20:30.30 | en1gma | icewm is nice? |
| 20:30.33 | en1gma | gonna google it |
| 20:30.35 | en1gma | but wait |
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| 20:30.43 | en1gma | i need to resize my swap badly! |
| 20:30.54 | en1gma | 180mb for a 64mb syustem |
| 20:30.57 | en1gma | terrible |
| 20:30.59 | PrinceAMD | hey guys i have a quickcam can someone tell me a program i can use to capture video ? |
| 20:31.08 | Noborusan | in debian, how do i increace the shm size ? |
| 20:31.31 | HardDisk_WP | PrinceAMD, VLC can, and apt-cache search webcam also works ;) |
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| 20:32.23 | en1gma | gparted wont resize my partitions for some reason |
| 20:32.53 | krazykit | en1gma, it needs to be run with root permissions. gksudo, etc |
| 20:32.53 | TiMiDo | hey what is the packaged called for the c compiler? |
| 20:33.06 | ryanCH | if you did "startx" and when the GUI came up, and only the mouse cursor was showing and nothing else ever happend, what would this mean? |
| 20:33.07 | krazykit | en1gma, that, or there's stuff mounted on the disk |
| 20:33.19 | TiMiDo | !c compiler |
| 20:33.23 | TiMiDo | hey what is the packaged called for the c compiler? |
| 20:33.26 | krazykit | !tell TiMiDo about b-e |
| 20:33.44 | TiMiDo | thanks kramed_ |
| 20:33.49 | en1gma | well the / and swap are always mounted |
| 20:33.55 | chowmeined | anybody know how to force purges? I keep getting dpkg - warning: while removing apache2.2-common, directory `/etc/apache2' not empty so not removed. |
| 20:34.32 | simonrvn | that's not a problem, just rm that stuff manually. you don't 'force purges' |
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| 20:34.46 | chowmeined | oh ok |
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| 20:34.55 | en1gma | anyone know i can resize my / and swap |
| 20:35.00 | en1gma | this is urgent |
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| 20:35.29 | streuner | !hurry |
| 20:35.29 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you! |
| 20:35.34 | krazykit | en1gma, don't resize live partitions. boot from a cd and resize from there |
| 20:35.50 | streuner | make a backup before |
| 20:35.54 | h3sp4wn | en1gma: backup and restore |
| 20:35.56 | streuner | !unix lessons |
| 20:35.57 | dpkg | unix lessons is probably (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 20:35.58 | abrotman | how can it be urgent ? |
| 20:36.03 | streuner | (2) |
| 20:36.13 | abrotman | and 3! |
| 20:36.26 | abrotman | and 6 .. and 7.. |
| 20:36.38 | krazykit | also 10 |
| 20:36.57 | streuner | also (11) - listen to abrotman :-) |
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| 20:37.06 | streuner | ehm, (12) even |
| 20:37.41 | JerJer | is there a way i can re-mount the FS back into write mode once the system re-mounted it into read-only ? |
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| 20:38.07 | streuner | sure |
| 20:38.08 | JerJer | i see this in my dmesg |
| 20:38.09 | JerJer | EXT3-fs error (device hda6): ext3_new_block: Allocating block in system zone - blocks from 262144, length 1 |
| 20:38.09 | JerJer | Remounting filesystem read-only |
| 20:38.13 | en1gma | is there an app that can be put on a floppy that will let me select to boot cdrom or usb |
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| 20:38.43 | JerJer | i unmounted the hda6 and fsck'd it - but now i don't know how to get the rest of my system back into write mode |
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| 20:38.51 | h3sp4wn | JerJer: fsck it first then - mount -o remout,rw |
| 20:38.56 | en1gma | whats the command to update menus in fluxbox |
| 20:39.03 | JerJer | h3sp4wn: bingo - thanks |
| 20:39.05 | en1gma | i thought it was 'fluxbox --generate; |
| 20:39.15 | en1gma | '* |
| 20:39.35 | Noborusan | where is the file in debian to restore shm value ? in /etc/sysctl.conf, not there |
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| 20:41.05 | JerJer | it says hda6 is already mounted |
| 20:41.49 | TiMiDo | !info sun-java6-jre |
| 20:41.50 | dpkg | sun-java6-jre: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture independent files)), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 6-02-1 (sid), Packaged size: 6178 kB, Installed size: 14164 kB |
| 20:41.56 | JerJer | oh - remouNt :D |
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| 20:42.19 | JerJer | whoever invented copy/paste needs to be shot |
| 20:42.26 | abrotman | uhm |
| 20:42.33 | JerJer | h3sp4wn: thank you |
| 20:42.33 | abrotman | copy/paste is bad ? |
| 20:43.02 | JerJer | abrotman: it should correct spelling mistakes :P |
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| 20:43.54 | Olgem | I don't have fdisk or mkfs.vfat utilities, what package can they be installed under? |
| 20:44.14 | streuner | Olgem: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:44.15 | vorpal | dosutils i think |
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| 20:44.27 | jakub_ | hi |
| 20:44.30 | jakub_ | is in linux some calendar (for KDE) |
| 20:44.32 | streuner | !find mkfs.vfat |
| 20:44.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mkfs.vfat' (1): (/sbin/mkfs.vfat) in otherosfs/dosfstools. |
| 20:44.39 | jakub_ | i need to know who has nameday or birthdate |
| 20:44.56 | vorpal | dosfstools, actually |
| 20:45.00 | abrotman | jakub_: apt-cache search kde calendar ?> |
| 20:45.01 | Olgem | thanks |
| 20:45.11 | vorpal | oh, hey. that's a neat bot |
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| 20:45.28 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 20:45.28 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 20:45.35 | jakub_ | i need it in CZECH |
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| 20:49.04 | itsmebob | hello, have a question about debootstrap.... actually the required packages for a debian base install |
| 20:49.34 | itsmebob | debootstrap install only packages w/ priority of "required"? or both "required" or "important"? |
| 20:50.25 | tyler-wylie | Any debian users here use debian to run OpenNMS? |
| 20:52.56 | streuner | !listvals opennms |
| 20:52.57 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'opennms' by value returned no results. |
| 20:53.20 | ryanCH | do linux based programs contain executable machine code or no? |
| 20:53.34 | dkr | some do |
| 20:53.46 | dkr | ELF is the binary format used in linux |
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| 20:54.10 | ryanCH | there are no extensions to the executables right? |
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| 20:54.28 | dkr | they are not necessary, no |
| 20:54.28 | ab3l | hi how do i know what's the maximum file size my fs can store? |
| 20:54.32 | L0cKn | bye all ** |
| 20:54.47 | tarzeau | ab3l: try to create a very large file? |
| 20:54.54 | tarzeau | ab3l: and then add to it until it doesn't work ? :) |
| 20:55.00 | smi2 | Hi, I've installed mod_limitip http://pastebin.ca/635072 also http://dl7.rnbload.com//server-status ( but it dosne't work.. or maybe I did something wrong ) can anybody help me please ( thank you ) |
| 20:55.13 | dkr | ab3l: ext3? |
| 20:55.16 | ab3l | <tarzeau>there's no "mathemathical" way? |
| 20:55.19 | ab3l | yeah |
| 20:55.21 | tarzeau | ryanCH: you can run programs in interpretted mode |
| 20:55.34 | tarzeau | ab3l: uhm dunno, i guess this is the "physics" way |
| 20:55.41 | tarzeau | ab3l: which i do like |
| 20:55.46 | tarzeau | the experimental one |
| 20:55.52 | ab3l | :P |
| 20:56.08 | dkr | nifty, new google feature extracts relevant part of page for you? Ext3 — Max File Size: 16GiB – 2TiB |
| 20:56.08 | dkr | According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3 |
| 20:56.11 | tarzeau | ab3l: that's the way i also use to figure network card speeds |
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| 20:56.26 | ab3l | yeah i read tha |
| 20:56.37 | ab3l | but i don't need ranges i need to know what mine can do |
| 20:56.45 | ab3l | it says it relies on block size |
| 20:56.50 | tarzeau | ab3l: yes it does |
| 20:56.52 | ab3l | but how do i know what block size is set ? |
| 20:57.07 | itsmebob | ab3l, if you are looking into storing large files, i suggest XFS |
| 20:57.29 | tarzeau | ab3l: dumpe2fs |
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| 20:57.36 | ab3l | <itsmebob> i may consider that ;) but i need to know if i can store an 80gb iso image on my existing ext3 |
| 20:57.38 | ab3l | ;) |
| 20:57.56 | tarzeau | itsmebob: what would you use for massive amount of files? say i catched a user with 2,8 million files last month... |
| 20:58.11 | itsmebob | reiserfs |
| 20:58.20 | jelly | hmm... why is my only dvd drive symlinked as /dev/dvd3 and /dev/dvdrw3? |
| 20:58.35 | tarzeau | itsmebob: that doesn't solve the problem to transfer that amount of files via rsync |
| 20:58.50 | tarzeau | itsmebob: the large files thing is also a problem for a lot of software |
| 20:58.59 | tarzeau | jelly: did you exchange it? |
| 20:59.17 | itsmebob | tarzeau, rsync can't handle that many files? |
| 20:59.18 | jelly | tarzeau: I did move the installation to a newer machine. |
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| 20:59.27 | tarzeau | itsmebob: it can, if you have awful amounts of patience :) |
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| 20:59.46 | tarzeau | jelly: yeah. udev :) let me give you a hint |
| 20:59.58 | itsmebob | tarzeau, *maybe* look into openafs.... |
| 21:00.06 | tarzeau | itsmebob: hah we have that :) |
| 21:00.13 | jelly | tarzeau: I know it's udev, but not how to make it more stupid |
| 21:00.18 | tarzeau | jelly: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules is for network cards |
| 21:00.40 | tarzeau | they said i remove that file, then the new nics get counted from 0 again |
| 21:01.35 | itsmebob | tarzeau, maybe send a message to rsync list? they may be able to tell you which is best |
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| 21:02.05 | jelly | tarzeau: I don't want to do it all over again when I change the machine, any advice on how to tell it not to create *persistent-cd.rules ever? |
| 21:02.24 | tarzeau | jelly: no idea, it's not that urgent to me yet |
| 21:02.33 | tarzeau | jelly: udev is great, with these exceptions that also bitten me |
| 21:02.35 | h3sp4wn | jelly: get rid of the z75 file completely |
| 21:02.39 | tarzeau | jelly: but there's some other stuff which is much worse |
| 21:02.53 | h3sp4wn | z75_cd-aliases-generator.rules |
| 21:03.05 | jelly | tarzeau: udev may be great but Debian's defaults aint :-) |
| 21:03.45 | jelly | h3sp4wn: ah! |
| 21:03.59 | tarzeau | jelly: ack :) |
| 21:04.09 | tarzeau | jelly: that's why you can use something like dphys-config and make your own :) |
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| 21:04.23 | h3sp4wn | jelly: I have never tried it for cd but for network card if you get rid of the generator rule then udev just doesn't interferre |
| 21:04.43 | h3sp4wn | there is - /lib/udev/write_cd_rules (shell script) |
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| 21:05.08 | bpun | hi folks |
| 21:05.46 | h3sp4wn | jelly: just use /etc/init.d/udev reload |
| 21:06.13 | jelly | h3sp4wn: nope, still have dvd*3 |
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| 21:08.03 | jelly | h3sp4wn: reloading sr_mod would probably do it |
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| 21:09.34 | jelly | h3sp4wn: I wish there was a way to see which userspace holds a kernel module active |
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| 21:09.57 | mith | jelly: unless it's a nic use lsof to what has the device file open |
| 21:10.01 | mith | err to see |
| 21:10.38 | robboplus | hm 84.205.0.0 - 84.205.31.255 <--how do you find out what mask it takes to block that network? |
| 21:10.39 | jelly | mith: it could be just mounted |
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| 21:11.39 | ApEtc | robboplus: Learning subnetting? :) |
| 21:11.45 | robboplus | ApEtc yes |
| 21:12.09 | robboplus | and i know that 84.205.0.0/16 would be too much |
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| 21:12.24 | stew | robboplus: install ipcalc and "ipcalc 84.205.0.0 - 84.205.31.255" |
| 21:12.26 | robboplus | i just need first 31 c-classes |
| 21:12.28 | h3sp4wn | jelly: I usually just cludge with lsof - maybe there is a better way (some kernel stuff is not commonly known (or not known by me) didn't find about magic sysreq key for ages |
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| 21:12.37 | robboplus | stew oh damn.. so such thing exists :) |
| 21:12.45 | robboplus | thanks a million stew |
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| 21:13.09 | stew | robboplus: forget classes, those are all class A addresses anyway |
| 21:13.11 | robboplus | 26KB of fun |
| 21:13.17 | robboplus | hm |
| 21:13.25 | robboplus | then ipcalc is my friend... many thanks again |
| 21:13.43 | jelly | robboplus: that's 32 C classes, btw ;-) |
| 21:13.44 | robboplus | works like a charm... i can't believe it |
| 21:14.00 | stew | jelly: 82.x.x.x is class A |
| 21:14.01 | robboplus | 84.205.0.0/19 will set me free in a sec ;) |
| 21:14.07 | robboplus | thank you! |
| 21:14.11 | stew | jelly: 0.0.0.0/1 is class A |
| 21:14.30 | jelly | stew: I'm incorrectly referring to /24 as a C class |
| 21:14.53 | stew | i don't know why i let that bug me so much, nm me |
| 21:15.28 | bpun | anyone knows about why I can't startx from a bash script when I append '&'? (i'd like to open an xserver with user opac under a root in /etc/init.d/-> |
| 21:15.28 | bpun | /bin/su -l opac -c "/bin/startx -- :1") |
| 21:17.06 | jelly | stew: here, have a map: http://xkcd.com/195/ |
| 21:17.28 | stew | jelly: nice |
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| 21:20.25 | jelly | hmm, there shouldn't be grass on 10.0.0.0/8 |
| 21:20.49 | marcuss | Hello ,I have trouble unziping ,Can some one help - ) |
| 21:21.11 | stew | jelly: it says "VPNs" |
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| 21:23.25 | jelly | stew: yeah, and that private bit in 192/8 is too small to see the color [...] A-HA! The author clear forgot about 172.16! |
| 21:23.27 | stoned | howdy |
| 21:23.45 | stoned | hello there stew |
| 21:23.48 | stoned | jelly |
| 21:23.55 | stew | jelly: well each block is a /8 and 172.16 is only a /12 |
| 21:24.02 | stew | hi |
| 21:24.28 | stoned | heh, I suffer from a little ocd |
| 21:24.35 | stoned | especially with food |
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| 21:24.50 | PrinceAMD | can someone point me to a cpu scalling gui program |
| 21:25.04 | jelly | stew: but the did demark that teeny 192.168/16 bit |
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| 21:25.13 | jelly | s/the/he/ |
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| 21:26.08 | jelly | stoned: howdy *hat-tip* |
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| 21:33.16 | stoned | hey buddy |
| 21:33.22 | stoned | 7 mins late |
| 21:34.07 | stoned | I mean, I want to run amd64, but on 3.5ghz it is highly unstable. I could clock down to 1.8ghz, default c2d e6300 speed, but I dunno, I bought the damn cpu so i could OC it |
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| 21:34.23 | stoned | I dunno what to do, can't make up my mind |
| 21:34.49 | stoned | care to think for me? |
| 21:34.50 | stoned | anyone |
| 21:34.53 | stoned | :D |
| 21:35.33 | dyrne | oc from 1.8 to 3.5??? thats not bad |
| 21:35.34 | pipegeek | Grab a mandolin, and trek through the patagonian wilds |
| 21:35.50 | pipegeek | Though, by your nick, it looks like you've already found something to do :D |
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| 21:36.34 | dyrne | i just killed like an entire city of seamonkeys |
| 21:36.44 | pipegeek | you BASTARD! |
| 21:36.57 | Braindead | that's genocide |
| 21:37.16 | pipegeek | I'm calling the UN |
| 21:37.24 | pipegeek | crap, they put me on hold |
| 21:37.25 | stoned | lol |
| 21:37.29 | stoned | you guys are insane |
| 21:37.36 | pipegeek | :) |
| 21:38.20 | stoned | i've never trie dmandolin |
| 21:38.28 | stoned | I can almost any stringed instrument |
| 21:38.34 | pipegeek | LET ITHAMAR MINISTER WITH A CHAMOIS, AND BLESS THE NAME OF HIM THAT CLOTHETH THE NAKED |
| 21:38.34 | stoned | 22 years on guitar/bass etc. |
| 21:38.39 | mythomaniac | seamonkeys - they still exist? |
| 21:38.40 | stoned | don't use all caps please |
| 21:38.40 | pipegeek | nice |
| 21:38.44 | pipegeek | I do apologize |
| 21:38.52 | pipegeek | I'm listening to this very loud |
| 21:38.55 | pipegeek | It seemed appropriate |
| 21:38.56 | stoned | brb |
| 21:38.57 | Braindead | mythomaniac: they walk among us |
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| 21:39.06 | mythomaniac | LOL Braindead ;) |
| 21:39.12 | Braindead | wearing x-ray glasses, of course |
| 21:39.53 | mythomaniac | anyone here like to tweak their kernel to maximize speed? |
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| 21:40.06 | mythomaniac | and if so what do you do to it? |
| 21:40.07 | Braindead | yeah, extreme ricing FTW |
| 21:40.24 | mythomaniac | for real Braindead? |
| 21:40.28 | pipegeek | Oh come on, be nice |
| 21:40.31 | Braindead | mythomaniac: garret pistons and lots of turbos |
| 21:40.38 | mythomaniac | lol |
| 21:40.49 | pipegeek | What you want is racing stripes. |
| 21:40.59 | pipegeek | And you might want to drill some 'speed holes' in it |
| 21:41.06 | Braindead | and don't forget about the exhausts. now my case can pull on third gear, gas only, no clutch |
| 21:41.20 | Braindead | pull up I mean, doing a wheelie |
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| 21:42.19 | Braindead | speaking of which, considering I'll be waking up early tomorrow morning to do an all-day-long ride on my bike...bye dudes |
| 21:42.23 | mythomaniac | i just wondering if anyone here ever configured and compiled a kernel that was specific to their hardware? |
| 21:42.30 | pipegeek | I did a long time ago |
| 21:42.31 | h3sp4wn | mythomaniac: get 2.6.22 and the -ck patch - 1000Hz timer - preempt (that is what I use but speed is different to latency) |
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| 21:42.47 | pipegeek | I don't think of it as being that useful anymore, unless I'm running on very old hardware |
| 21:43.07 | mythomaniac | h3sp4wn, i hear the guy that created the -ck patchs is quiting? |
| 21:43.08 | pipegeek | also, 1000hz timer is in the mainline, ennit? |
| 21:43.14 | pipegeek | damn, that's a shame |
| 21:43.22 | h3sp4wn | mythomaniac: Yep |
| 21:43.25 | mythomaniac | ;( |
| 21:43.50 | Oezzok | Hi everybody, I have raid disk write performance problem.. I think the write-back cache is not enable but i'm quite lost in all of this at the moment; who can help me out? |
| 21:44.06 | h3sp4wn | mythomaniac: I will stay on 2.6.22 - until I have a very good reason to change (they won't merge swap prefetch also) |
| 21:44.15 | mythomaniac | h3sp4wn, can you fidn the -ck patch on kernel.org? |
| 21:44.28 | mythomaniac | err find |
| 21:44.31 | h3sp4wn | mythomaniac: just search google for ck patches |
| 21:44.34 | mythomaniac | k |
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| 21:45.30 | pipegeek | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/ck/patches/2.6/2.6.22/ |
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| 21:46.20 | mythomaniac | thanks pipegeek - d/l it now |
| 21:46.29 | pipegeek | np |
| 21:47.12 | mythomaniac | so who is going to do his work from now on? |
| 21:47.41 | Oezzok | Anyone? it's a Dell PowerEdge 840 with a SAS 5 controller.. uses a LSI chipset and the raid 1 write performance is bad |
| 21:49.11 | h3sp4wn | mythomaniac: Nobody |
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| 21:49.22 | simonrvn | mythomaniac: it's called do some legwork of your own, too |
| 21:49.32 | bpun | is there a debian howto for a gdm-autologin? |
| 21:49.33 | h3sp4wn | mythomaniac: (he is a doctor anyway) |
| 21:49.34 | pipegeek | Oezzok: You might want to check #debian on OFTC (irc.debian.org) Other than that, all I can say is man hdparm |
| 21:49.38 | pipegeek | sorry I'm useless |
| 21:49.53 | simonrvn | contrary to popular opinion, we don't do handouts |
| 21:50.01 | tarzeau | bpun: autologin is easy, here's how: doorbell.ethz.ch |
| 21:50.17 | tarzeau | bpun: instead of starting x, you just start whatever you want, say a shell and a program.. |
| 21:50.23 | Oezzok | hdparm doesn't cut it, I got quite far with shdparm setting WCE parameters but i'm not sure this is ok like this |
| 21:50.25 | tarzeau | bpun: chvt/screen might come handy |
| 21:50.35 | Oezzok | i'll try there |
| 21:50.37 | Oezzok | thanks |
| 21:51.03 | TiMiDo | hey can someone pasted me there source.list or give me a line on non-free |
| 21:51.12 | tarzeau | TiMiDo: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
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| 21:51.26 | TiMiDo | hmm okey |
| 21:51.38 | Rabieres | if I by accident partition an existing hdd with data, is there a way to recover that data? |
| 21:51.49 | TiMiDo | #deb-src http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian/ ./ |
| 21:51.53 | TiMiDo | tarzeau, that? |
| 21:52.20 | bpun | tarzeau, i don't happen to get any response but I was hoping appending '&' to cmd startx or xinit would work from a script-- i just need to run a webbrowser -- i tested everything (only two command lines required) but dam startx and xinit would prevent me from calling command line two.. |
| 21:52.28 | abrotman | TiMiDo: no |
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| 21:52.51 | tarzeau | TiMiDo: no, did you read the output? |
| 21:52.55 | abrotman | !tell TiMiDo about sources.list |
| 21:53.26 | tarzeau | Rabieres: partition or mkfs? |
| 21:53.34 | tarzeau | Rabieres: a partition is easy to save, try gpart |
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| 21:53.56 | Rabieres | mkfs |
| 21:54.02 | tarzeau | Rabieres: which filesystem? |
| 21:54.06 | Rabieres | ext3 |
| 21:54.09 | bpun | tarzeau, y, ratpoison is good.. i like ion as well.. isn't doorbell in c ? |
| 21:54.12 | tarzeau | Rabieres: if it's ext2/3 forget it. happened to me too :( |
| 21:54.21 | Rabieres | fuck I'm scared now |
| 21:54.22 | tarzeau | Rabieres: i only restored my pgp private key |
| 21:54.25 | tarzeau | Rabieres: backup? |
| 21:54.37 | tarzeau | bpun: yes it is, interpreted with tcc |
| 21:54.49 | bpun | tarzeau, ah ok.. :) |
| 21:55.06 | TiMiDo | tarzeau, got it =) |
| 21:55.21 | jelly | Rabieres: if it's really important, you can create a raw image of the partition and sift thru the copy with, say, magicrescue |
| 21:55.42 | TiMiDo | tarzeau, how do i fixed this problem http://pastebin.ca/635169 |
| 21:55.58 | Rabieres | ok, I have a dev/sdb1 without a partition |
| 21:56.02 | Rabieres | how can I create if with mkfs? |
| 21:56.05 | tarzeau | jelly, Rabieres or foremost. |
| 21:56.09 | Rabieres | mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1? |
| 21:56.15 | bpun | tarzeau, where does the /usr/sbin/kiosk line get placed ? |
| 21:56.19 | mythomaniac | say h3sp4wn look at this http://www.osnews.com/story.php/18334/Fork-a-Kernel-Kill-an-OS-and-Revolutionize-the-Desktop |
| 21:56.19 | tarzeau | jelly: but mkfs.ext2/3 on such a partition is deadly |
| 21:56.30 | jelly | tarzeau: any writing is! |
| 21:56.33 | tarzeau | bpun: in the kiosk users home, which is /var/kiosk for me |
| 21:56.36 | TiMiDo | tarzeau, you saw that? |
| 21:56.45 | Rabieres | mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1? |
| 21:56.53 | tarzeau | jelly: i've rescued quite some stuff. but this mkfs accident still hurts me a bit |
| 21:57.03 | tarzeau | TiMiDo: yes, /topic ? |
| 21:57.06 | jelly | Rabieres: what are you trying to do with mkfs? |
| 21:57.11 | tarzeau | TiMiDo: reading is a rewarding virtue |
| 21:57.31 | Rabieres | jelly create a ext3-fs to sdb1 |
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| 21:57.45 | tarzeau | TiMiDo: actually read the msg again? then your sources.list |
| 21:58.04 | TiMiDo | brb rebooting |
| 21:58.11 | jelly | Rabieres: ah, to dump the image? |
| 21:58.15 | Rabieres | huh? |
| 21:58.24 | pipegeek | Rabeires: OK, so here's what you want to do: |
| 21:58.33 | Rabieres | I added a new hdd, I created sdb1 with fdisk and now it needs a filesystem |
| 21:58.38 | pipegeek | If /dev/sdb1 is big enough to hold the whole thing, |
| 21:58.49 | damog | tarzeau: weren't you going to bed?! |
| 21:58.50 | Rabieres | sdb1 is the whole new hdd |
| 21:58.56 | pipegeek | ah, ok |
| 21:58.57 | pipegeek | so |
| 21:59.06 | pipegeek | mkfs.[yourfilesystemhere] /dev/sdb1 |
| 21:59.18 | Rabieres | right, so it was mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1 |
| 21:59.19 | pipegeek | (that being ext2 / reiserfs / xfs) |
| 21:59.22 | pipegeek | if you want ext3, |
| 21:59.24 | jelly | Rabieres: mke2fs -j /dev/sdb1 or mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1 should to the trick |
| 21:59.25 | Rabieres | yeah |
| 21:59.26 | tarzeau | damog: you spy! yes i was but i ate some salty cookies with cheese and am reading some request tracker tickets |
| 21:59.26 | pipegeek | that's mkfs.ext2 -j |
| 21:59.32 | pipegeek | strangely enough |
| 21:59.33 | pipegeek | THEN |
| 21:59.50 | pipegeek | mount the new disk somewhere: |
| 21:59.55 | pipegeek | mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt |
| 21:59.56 | tarzeau | damog: i'm not irc addicted. i'm not internet addicted.... let me try some nethacking |
| 21:59.56 | Rabieres | its done |
| 21:59.57 | bpun | tarzeau, what package has the kiosk binary? |
| 21:59.59 | pipegeek | then |
| 22:00.06 | Rabieres | pipegeek, I did it in fstab |
| 22:00.12 | jelly | tarzeau: computer addicted? |
| 22:00.12 | pipegeek | dd if=/dev/damaged_disk of=/mnt/backup.img |
| 22:00.19 | tarzeau | bpun: uhm, dphys-config has many examples, and i try to document most of it at wiki.debian.org/Enterprise |
| 22:00.26 | pipegeek | so, if the disk you accidentally repartitioned was /dev/hda, |
| 22:00.26 | Rabieres | i have no damaged disk :D |
| 22:00.27 | tarzeau | jelly: noooo! noooo! :) |
| 22:00.34 | pipegeek | dd if=/dev/hda of=/mnt/backup.img |
| 22:00.39 | stoned | tarzeau: yesssss yesssss! |
| 22:00.41 | pipegeek | oh.... sorry. What was the problem again? |
| 22:00.42 | Rabieres | no, just adding a new hdd :D |
| 22:00.43 | stoned | ya damn addict |
| 22:00.43 | Rabieres | haha |
| 22:00.45 | stoned | :) |
| 22:00.49 | damog | tarzeau: feel free. |
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| 22:01.25 | stoned | uaezrat |
| 22:01.27 | pipegeek | I just thought you said you'd accidentally re-mkfs'ed a partition containing data |
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| 22:01.48 | Rabieres | but now I gotta do the maginifique reboot, my fd shows that my data is at /sdb even though it is at /sdax... Probably the files arent just in sync |
| 22:01.50 | Aaron__ | hey how come my dhclient isn't starting up ? |
| 22:01.57 | Aaron__ | i have to do dhclient manual everytime i boot |
| 22:02.06 | jelly | uhh... |
| 22:02.07 | tarzeau | Aaron__: /etc/network/intefaces ? |
| 22:02.13 | Aaron__ | tarzeau, ? |
| 22:02.19 | tarzeau | Aaron__: read that file |
| 22:02.23 | tarzeau | interfaces actually |
| 22:02.29 | freetos | xen_masta, thanks, now i've got it working ;-) |
| 22:02.30 | pipegeek | Aaron__: configuration for your network cards |
| 22:02.33 | pipegeek | man interfaces |
| 22:02.33 | Rabieres | damn I'm scared |
| 22:02.35 | stoned | !interfaces |
| 22:02.36 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 22:02.42 | jelly | pipegeek: hehe, he might have just done that... the wonders of hotpluggable devices ;-) |
| 22:02.52 | Rabieres | if this reboot goes well and df starts to work I can sleep normally tonight |
| 22:03.03 | Rabieres | it all comes down to this reboot |
| 22:03.07 | Aaron__ | http://pastebin.ca/635186 |
| 22:03.12 | pipegeek | Rabieres: good luck |
| 22:03.17 | Aaron__ | that's what i've have on my /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:03.18 | Aaron__ | is that good? |
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| 22:03.46 | pipegeek | Aaron__: hmm. Yeah, that looks right |
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| 22:03.57 | pipegeek | when you do ifup eth1, does dhclient get run? |
| 22:03.59 | Aaron__ | pipegeek, and how come is not starting up? |
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| 22:04.10 | Aaron__ | pipegeek, everytime i boot up i have to do as root dhclient |
| 22:04.14 | Aaron__ | and then i'll have internet |
| 22:04.18 | tarzeau | there were some scientific linux, grid, cern people in here. where are you? |
| 22:04.26 | pipegeek | Aaron__: Right. But if you do 'ifup eth1' as root, does dhclient get called? |
| 22:04.39 | Aaron__ | ifup: interface eth1 already configured |
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| 22:04.50 | pipegeek | Aaron__: sorry. do ifdown eth1, then ifup eth1 |
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| 22:05.20 | Aaron__ | pipegeek, yeah it does |
| 22:05.26 | Aaron__ | DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4 |
| 22:05.26 | Aaron__ | DHCPOFFER from 192.168.0.1 |
| 22:05.34 | xen_masta | freetos: no problemo |
| 22:05.37 | pipegeek | Aaron__: Good. My guess is that the ifupdown script isn't getting called at startup for some reason |
| 22:05.40 | pipegeek | Aaron__: so, |
| 22:05.47 | Aaron__ | pipegeek, how do i enable it? |
| 22:05.48 | Aaron__ | or somethign |
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| 22:06.30 | lightning | does anyone know how to configure the x-screensaver? |
| 22:06.31 | h3sp4wn | Aaron__: do you have - auto eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:06.34 | pipegeek | Aaron__: look in /etc/rcS.d |
| 22:06.39 | pocukrani | amsn is located in /usr/share/amsn ? |
| 22:06.43 | pipegeek | h3sp4wn: yes he does |
| 22:06.56 | h3sp4wn | Aaron__: Try adding - pre-up sleep 3 |
| 22:06.58 | pipegeek | Aaron__: is there a file in there named Sxxifupdown? |
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| 22:07.13 | Aaron__ | nope pipegeek |
| 22:07.15 | pipegeek | h3sp4wn: ifupdown works for him just fine. It's just not getting called at startup |
| 22:07.22 | pipegeek | Aaron__: Good! That's a problem ^_^ |
| 22:07.31 | pipegeek | Aaron__: do the following (as root): |
| 22:07.31 | krazykit | lightning, run xscreensaver-demo |
| 22:07.34 | Aaron__ | S39ifupdown |
| 22:07.43 | h3sp4wn | pipegeek: It is getting called or it wouldn't say ifup: interface eth1 already configured |
| 22:07.48 | Aaron__ | that's the file |
| 22:08.10 | h3sp4wn | Its a bug I had when I was using madwifi with sid prior to etch being released guess it was not fixed |
| 22:08.12 | pipegeek | h3sp4wn: Hmm. True that. Very odd. |
| 22:08.27 | pipegeek | Aaron__: Do me a favor, and run '/etc/init.d/ifupdown restart' as root |
| 22:08.32 | pipegeek | tell me what happens |
| 22:08.46 | Aaron__ | Setting up networking.... |
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| 22:08.53 | Aaron__ | that's all im gettnig |
| 22:08.59 | pipegeek | Aaron__: has it finished? |
| 22:09.05 | Aaron__ | yeah it finished |
| 22:09.06 | pipegeek | Aaron__: and, do you now have an IP address? |
| 22:09.09 | Aaron__ | but nothing happend |
| 22:09.14 | stoned | rahul: you here? |
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| 22:09.16 | Aaron__ | nope pipegeek nothing |
| 22:09.18 | stoned | or there |
| 22:09.25 | pipegeek | Aaron__: no network connection? |
| 22:09.40 | Aaron__ | i have internet on it, |
| 22:09.44 | pipegeek | Aaron__: OK. |
| 22:09.48 | Aaron__ | darkPLANET:/etc/rcS.d# /etc/init.d/ifupdown restart |
| 22:09.48 | Aaron__ | Setting up networking.... |
| 22:09.48 | Aaron__ | darkPLANET:/etc/rcS.d# |
| 22:09.53 | Aaron__ | that's it |
| 22:10.08 | pipegeek | Aaron__: That's fine. It doesn't necessarily send the output of dhclient to stdout |
| 22:10.24 | Aaron__ | pipegeek, alrighty, |
| 22:10.26 | pipegeek | It's probably running---you can check by doing ps auwx | grep dhclient |
| 22:10.43 | Aaron__ | root 4003 0.0 0.0 2220 612 ? Ss 06:05 0:00 dhclient3 -pf /var/run/dhclient.eth1.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth1.leases eth1 |
| 22:10.46 | pipegeek | Aaron__: but I'm annoyed, because I still haven't found a problem >.< |
| 22:10.53 | Aaron__ | pipegeek, but on start up it doesn't work |
| 22:11.00 | pipegeek | Aaron__: no internets on startup? |
| 22:11.03 | Aaron__ | nope |
| 22:11.12 | Aaron__ | i have to do dhclient as root everytime i started up the machine |
| 22:11.50 | pipegeek | Can you reboot the thing and tell me whether there's a dhclient running? Then I'm going to ask you to look through the system log |
| 22:11.57 | pipegeek | Aaron__: I will be *right* back. |
| 22:12.00 | Aaron__ | alright |
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| 22:14.12 | pipegeek | what luck? |
| 22:14.17 | Aaron__ | none |
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| 22:14.22 | pipegeek | has it come back up? |
| 22:14.27 | Aaron__ | nope |
| 22:14.28 | Aaron__ | it doesn't |
| 22:14.34 | pipegeek | No, I mean, has it rebooted yet? |
| 22:14.38 | Aaron__ | yeap it did |
| 22:14.44 | Aaron__ | but the dhclient is not kicking up |
| 22:14.51 | pipegeek | OK, and there are no dhclient processes running? |
| 22:15.03 | pipegeek | Also, during boot, did it ever say "setting up networking..." |
| 22:15.13 | peterS | you do have 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' or similar in /etc/network/interfaces? and 'auto eth0' or whatever? |
| 22:15.17 | Aaron__ | pipegeek, nope |
| 22:15.29 | Aaron__ | auto lo |
| 22:15.29 | Aaron__ | iface lo inet loopback |
| 22:15.37 | pipegeek | peterS: yes he does |
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| 22:15.40 | Aaron__ | allow-hotplug eth1 iface eth1 inet dhcp |
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| 22:16.02 | dokma | hi ppl |
| 22:16.05 | pipegeek | Sorry, I'm being an officious ass |
| 22:16.15 | dokma | I just logged into my first dedicated debian server |
| 22:16.18 | pipegeek | I'm just annoyed that it isn't working ~_^ |
| 22:16.22 | pipegeek | dokma: congrats! |
| 22:16.22 | dokma | all shell messages are in german |
| 22:16.24 | Aaron__ | me two pipegeek |
| 22:16.31 | dokma | I did a dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 22:16.33 | pipegeek | I'll bet |
| 22:16.34 | dokma | and set it to en |
| 22:16.37 | dokma | but to no avail |
| 22:16.42 | dokma | tx pipegeek |
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| 22:16.54 | dokma | it's an ancient machine pIII at 800 mhz |
| 22:16.59 | dokma | but still it's mine |
| 22:17.02 | Aaron__ | is there something to do pipegeek |
| 22:17.03 | Aaron__ | ? |
| 22:17.21 | dokma | how do I get my shell to speak english? |
| 22:17.21 | Aaron__ | because this dhclient thing is getting annoying everytime i've boot up |
| 22:17.27 | dokma | locales are all set to en |
| 22:17.28 | pipegeek | Aaron__: Let's see..... Well, I'm just curious as to why the script appears not to be being called at startup. You said you didn't see it print out "Setting up networking"? |
| 22:17.43 | Aaron__ | pipegeek, i do see it but nothing happends |
| 22:17.54 | Aaron__ | after setting up networking nothing happends |
| 22:17.56 | pipegeek | Aaron__: aaah. So, something's going screwy bringing it up the first time |
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| 22:18.01 | dokma | I even rebooted the machine |
| 22:18.01 | Aaron__ | and then some other programs, start up |
| 22:18.07 | babilen | dokma: try "locale -a" to see which locale is configured for your user |
| 22:18.09 | pipegeek | Aaron__: so, please (as root) open up /var/log/syslog in a text editor. |
| 22:18.13 | pipegeek | let's go spelunking. |
| 22:18.27 | Aaron__ | pipegeek, do you wanted me to pastebin it? |
| 22:18.40 | dokma | babilen the ones I specified with dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 22:18.48 | dokma | en, hr, C and postfix |
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| 22:19.01 | Aaron__ | pipegeek, here it is http://pastebin.ca/635202 |
| 22:19.02 | dokma | german is not even mentioned |
| 22:19.04 | pipegeek | Aaron__: that'd be great |
| 22:19.05 | pipegeek | thanks |
| 22:19.06 | babilen | dokma: these will be all locales available. plain "locale" should give you the locales actually used |
| 22:19.21 | vanksi | does the 2.6.18 kernel from apt support framebuffer/bootsplash thingies out of the box? |
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| 22:19.49 | pipegeek | Aaron__: looks like it's repeatedly trying (and failing) to get an IP) |
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| 22:20.04 | dokma | babilen when I type just locale |
| 22:20.10 | Aaron__ | pipegeek, how can i fixed it? |
| 22:20.13 | pipegeek | # |
| 22:20.13 | pipegeek | Jul 26 06:13:12 darkPLANET dhclient: No DHCPOFFERS received. |
| 22:20.13 | pipegeek | # |
| 22:20.13 | pipegeek | Jul 26 06:13:12 darkPLANET dhclient: No working leases in persistent database - sleeping. |
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| 22:20.19 | dokma | en_US is everywhere |
| 22:20.28 | dokma | except LC_ALL |
| 22:20.32 | dokma | which is empty |
| 22:20.36 | jelly | dokma: /etc/default/locale or /etc/environment |
| 22:20.36 | Aaron__ | pipegeek, then how do i fixed it? |
| 22:20.37 | babilen | dokma: which is empty? |
| 22:20.41 | pipegeek | OK, that was dumb. Sorry |
| 22:20.48 | dokma | LC_ALL is empty |
| 22:20.50 | babilen | dokma: hmm... |
| 22:20.56 | dokma | all others at en_US |
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| 22:21.26 | pipegeek | Aaron__: Well, I'm not sure. I'd think it was a problem with your network, except, obviously, dhclient seems to be successful on the second run (ie, when you run it by hand) |
| 22:21.38 | Aaron__ | yeah i know |
| 22:21.50 | pipegeek | Aaron__: at least we know your machine is *trying* now ^_^ |
| 22:21.56 | Aaron__ | brb |
| 22:21.59 | pipegeek | kay |
| 22:23.04 | peterS | dokma: does 'locale -a' list en_US as a valid locale? on my system it does not |
| 22:23.18 | dokma | on my it does |
| 22:23.32 | peterS | dokma: on my system, I can have en_US.iso885915 or en_US.UTF-8 but not en_US without an encoding |
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| 22:23.59 | Aaron__ | alright pipegeek still nothing |
| 22:24.10 | babilen | dokma: you are sure that locale -a includes en_US and not en_US.utf8 or something like that? |
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| 22:25.39 | dokma | definitely |
| 22:25.41 | Aaron__ | damn |
| 22:25.44 | Aaron__ | is getting annoying |
| 22:25.45 | dokma | I have en_US |
| 22:25.58 | dokma | and en_US.iso.... |
| 22:26.07 | pipegeek | Aaron__: OOOH! |
| 22:26.14 | Aaron__ | ? |
| 22:26.19 | pipegeek | Aaron__: Well, I haven't found the answer, but I have a new name for the problem! ^_^ |
| 22:26.28 | Aaron__ | nice |
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| 22:26.36 | pipegeek | Aaron__: On boot, it's trying, and failing, to bring up the non-existent eth0 |
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| 22:26.44 | pipegeek | Aaron__: rather than the extant eth1 |
| 22:26.45 | Aaron__ | the eth is called eth1 |
| 22:27.14 | Aaron__ | pipegeek, how do i changed that? |
| 22:27.24 | pipegeek | Aaron__: I'm not sure, yet. Gimme a moment. |
| 22:27.36 | fritz[] | I wish to install Nagios2 (2.6-2) from stable tree, and my apt-get is downloading 2.9 version from unstable tree ... |
| 22:28.04 | pipegeek | Aaron__: I'll be right back. Sorry I keep disappearing |
| 22:28.09 | Aaron__ | okey |
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| 22:33.16 | Aaron__ | hey is there any howtwo on how to compiled a kernel? |
| 22:34.06 | zinx | !tell Aaron__ about make-kpkg |
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| 22:35.05 | chlue | Hello is there an easy way to virtually merge the files of two directories without including subdirectories via some kind of symlinks? I need the files from B (its readonly) in A but A contains files, too. Additional A and B each have a subdirectory which needs to be untuched. The only way i can think of is to create a symlink in A for each file in B. |
| 22:35.15 | Aaron__ | zinx, how can i put any name on the kernel i forgot the command |
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| 22:41.10 | jelly | chlue: that sounds about right |
| 22:41.17 | petemc | chlue: find /B/ -maxdepth 1 -type f |(while read ; do ln -s "$REPLY" /A/ ; done) |
| 22:41.48 | Rabieres | alright, wish me luck lads! I have prepared for this server boot for 3 days! ARGGHH 2 minutes anymore and my backups are ready |
| 22:41.59 | stoned | good luck |
| 22:42.00 | Aaron__ | zinx, how can i put any name on the kernel i forgot the command |
| 22:42.07 | Aaron__ | i know it was kpkg something |
| 22:42.09 | Aaron__ | but i forgot it |
| 22:42.13 | jelly | petemc: $REPLY is the default variable name? |
| 22:42.17 | petemc | yeah |
| 22:42.28 | jelly | never knew that |
| 22:42.46 | jelly | thought it would be $_ or something ;-) |
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| 22:43.04 | Dionix | what is a generic x driver |
| 22:43.09 | petemc | vesa |
| 22:43.11 | stoned | vesa? |
| 22:43.11 | Dionix | nvidia isn't working and i don't want to fix it |
| 22:43.16 | stoned | use nv |
| 22:43.20 | stoned | i fyou have nvidia card |
| 22:43.24 | Dionix | k |
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| 22:44.01 | chlue | petemc: ok thanks |
| 22:44.10 | dokma | got it |
| 22:44.17 | dokma | it was in /etc/environment |
| 22:44.29 | dokma | it had on first line LANGUAGE=... |
| 22:44.31 | Rabieres | server down |
| 22:44.35 | Dionix | thanks stoned |
| 22:44.35 | dokma | and there was german there |
| 22:44.45 | Dionix | hey i think you have helped me before stoned |
| 22:44.46 | tarzeau | Dionix: i've never seen nvidia not work.. |
| 22:44.47 | dokma | on the next line there was LANG="us here" |
| 22:44.53 | Dionix | tarzeau: its a long story |
| 22:44.58 | pipegeek | Aaron__: you can edit the makefile. But if you want to compile to a .deb, the command is make-kpkg (and that has options for appending a name to the version too) |
| 22:45.02 | dokma | and for some reason it reacted to the first setting |
| 22:45.15 | Dionix | tarzeau: i needed nspluginwrapper to get flash working for 64 so i had to switch to testing from stable to get it |
| 22:45.17 | pipegeek | Aaron__: So, hmm. |
| 22:45.20 | Aaron__ | pipegeek, what's the command? ake-kpkg what? |
| 22:45.21 | Dionix | now that i switched nvidia doesn't work |
| 22:45.22 | Aaron__ | *make |
| 22:45.34 | tarzeau | Dionix: but that's not an nvidia problem |
| 22:45.39 | Dionix | right |
| 22:45.42 | Dionix | its still a problem |
| 22:45.43 | tarzeau | Dionix: just rebuild the driver, and load it. done |
| 22:45.50 | Dionix | no tarzeau i've done that |
| 22:45.54 | pipegeek | Aaron__: make-kpkg binary, I believe, but I'll check |
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| 22:45.55 | Dionix | 8 times |
| 22:46.01 | tarzeau | Dionix: since i had to do that so million many times, i've automated this task |
| 22:46.13 | Dionix | i've used module assistant i've used make-kpkg |
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| 22:46.15 | tarzeau | Dionix: you probably did something wrong or forgot something. did you upgrade from xfree to xorg? |
| 22:46.20 | Dionix | ive used prebuilt debs |
| 22:46.20 | pipegeek | Aaron__: yes. make-kpkg binary |
| 22:46.20 | Aaron__ | pipegeek, i wanted to put a name on the kernel =) |
| 22:46.22 | Rabieres | server up, running new fs |
| 22:46.23 | Dionix | i've used the nvidia installer |
| 22:46.26 | Dionix | none of them work |
| 22:46.32 | tarzeau | Dionix: yes it works |
| 22:46.33 | pipegeek | Aaron__: and I'm still looking into the network thing. It's rather odd :^( |
| 22:46.40 | Dionix | i've been using xorg the whole time |
| 22:46.41 | Aaron__ | i know |
| 22:46.51 | Aaron__ | pipegeek, binary will be the name? |
| 22:46.52 | pipegeek | Aaron__: It's making me feel so... inadequate |
| 22:46.53 | tarzeau | Dionix: if you did upgrade from xfree to xorg there's a trick, you have to make sure the installed files get to the right place |
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| 22:47.03 | Aaron__ | tarzeau, do you know how to rename a kernel the command? |
| 22:47.09 | tarzeau | Aaron__: mv |
| 22:47.13 | pipegeek | Aaron__: no, binary is the target (like 'clean' is the target when you run 'make clean') |
| 22:47.21 | Aaron__ | pipegeek, hmmmm |
| 22:47.25 | Aaron__ | pipegeek, it was a command, |
| 22:47.30 | Aaron__ | that i forgot about it. |
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| 22:47.40 | pipegeek | Aaron__: to append a word(s) to the version number... |
| 22:47.48 | Aaron__ | yeah how do you do it pipegeek |
| 22:47.50 | Dionix | oh well |
| 22:47.51 | Aaron__ | i forgot that command, |
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| 22:47.56 | Kysh | Woof. |
| 22:47.57 | Dionix | i'll fix it later |
| 22:48.05 | Dionix | i wanna watch tv now that i have x again |
| 22:48.20 | tarzeau | Dionix: tvtime or internet tv? |
| 22:48.45 | Dionix | torrent tv =] |
| 22:48.49 | pipegeek | Aaron__: make-kpkg --append-to-version "teledildonics" binary |
| 22:49.03 | Aaron__ | on append to version what do i put/> |
| 22:49.12 | pipegeek | Whatever you want! :^) |
| 22:49.20 | Rabieres | THATS IT LADDIES! Server up and running, new hdd running backups working fine! I love it! I can just go and sleep |
| 22:49.25 | pipegeek | I'm guessing you don't want your kernel to be labeled "teledildonics" |
| 22:49.30 | pipegeek | Rabieres: I'm glad. Well done. |
| 22:49.32 | Rabieres | oh shit, i spent 3 days jerking off for this reboot and no problems |
| 22:49.38 | pipegeek | heh |
| 22:50.37 | Aaron__ | i'll be back |
| 22:51.31 | pipegeek | Aaron__: What happens if you run "ifup -a" (after bringing the interface down with ifdown eth1, of course) |
| 22:51.33 | pipegeek | ? |
| 22:51.39 | pipegeek | Man, I'm hungry. brb |
| 22:51.52 | Aaron__ | pipegeek, nothing |
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| 22:53.28 | pipegeek | Aaron__: now *there's* a problem. Tell me what the eth1 line of your /etc/network/interfaces looks like again. |
| 22:54.01 | pipegeek | Aaron__: Am I right that it doesn't include the word 'auto'? |
| 22:54.10 | marc7 | man, should I worry that debian found an error on the root filesystem immediately after it booted for the fist time post install? seeme fine now, but strange... |
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| 22:54.52 | pipegeek | Aaron__: because, if so, it won't be brought up automatically---only explicitly. And I'm a tool for not noticing that before. |
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| 22:55.01 | Baktaah | http://intellinuxwireless.org/index.php?n=Downloads Is i possible to install in Debian and how do you do it? |
| 22:55.53 | stoned | alright |
| 22:55.56 | stoned | time to go home |
| 22:56.00 | stoned | see ya'll later |
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| 22:56.05 | stoned | *out* |
| 22:56.06 | Baktaah | noo help me :/ |
| 22:56.06 | EtherNet | hello guys |
| 22:56.11 | pipegeek | stoned: enjoy your stoned |
| 22:56.15 | pipegeek | hello! |
| 22:56.38 | EtherNet | I am installing an old version Debian 3.0 netinst.. where is a mirror for installing base? cause the default given by the installer ftp.us.debian.org/debian doesn't work |
| 22:56.40 | techbie | Baktaals:check for pacakage using aptitiude |
| 22:57.09 | pipegeek | Ethernet: Huh. Lemme check |
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| 22:57.16 | Baktaah | techbie the problem is I got no connection |
| 22:57.19 | EtherNet | pipegeek: yep tell me |
| 22:57.30 | gbw | hello, how can do automount if there is usb storage plugged in? i always have to do mount /dev/sd*, it is very unconvenient |
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| 22:57.58 | pipegeek | ethernet: wow, woody isn't on ftp.debian.org either. I wonder when they took that down. Hold on, I'll look around |
| 22:58.11 | EtherNet | pipegeek: okas I wait |
| 22:58.22 | pipegeek | Ethernet: Happened in january, apparently |
| 22:58.27 | pipegeek | archive.debian.org |
| 22:58.30 | pipegeek | is the one you want to use. |
| 22:58.31 | pipegeek | :^) |
| 22:58.51 | chlue | isnt it ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/oldstable |
| 22:58.58 | EtherNet | pipegeek: lemme check |
| 22:59.09 | azeem | sarge is oldstable |
| 22:59.11 | pipegeek | HymnToLife: oldstable isn't 3.0 anymore, it's 3.1 |
| 22:59.24 | pipegeek | Brave new world |
| 22:59.44 | EtherNet | chlue: I write that address it doesn't work :( |
| 22:59.47 | chlue | oh didnt know 3.1 had its own name. I just started with 4 |
| 22:59.52 | Hans0lo | I am having an issue with routing on my new debian box. I have just replaced a redhat box (router). When I add a route with route add -net 192.168.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.1.254 ; the route gets set in the route table but pings result in "Destination Host Unreachable" -- the same command on the RHEL box jsut works. |
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| 23:00.20 | Hans0lo | Can someone clue me in here as to what I may be missing? |
| 23:00.36 | pipegeek | EtherNet: that's not the one to use. use http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 23:00.44 | EtherNet | pipegeek: lemme try that |
| 23:00.49 | pipegeek | EtherNet: Version 3.0 has been archived, as of January |
| 23:01.04 | EtherNet | pipegeek: yes it works man |
| 23:01.07 | pipegeek | EtherNet: I'm curious ^_^ Is this for old hardware or something? |
| 23:01.08 | EtherNet | pipegeek: thank you A LOT! |
| 23:01.11 | pipegeek | No problem :^) |
| 23:01.26 | EtherNet | pipegeek: yes, it's for a PI 166 laptop, as soon as it finishes installing, I will do apt-get dist-upgrade to unstable anyways,. |
| 23:01.31 | pipegeek | aaaaah |
| 23:02.39 | pipegeek | EtherNet: Good luck with it :^) Though, you might want to stick with woody---lotta packages transitioned to gtk2 and qt3 since then, and, while they have considerable improvements, they'll likely react rather slowly on that machine |
| 23:02.59 | pipegeek | EtherNet: I'm running sarge on a similar machine at home right now, but I'm using it as a server, so desktop application performance isn't an issue |
| 23:03.06 | chlue | isnt it better to download a netinstall for 4.0 first. An upgrade over two/tree versions will probalby cause a lot of unnessesary trouble |
| 23:03.16 | pipegeek | chlue: maybe he doesn't have a burner |
| 23:03.24 | EtherNet | pipegeek: so.. I will better leave this version? |
| 23:03.53 | pipegeek | EtherNet: Well, it's up to you, depending on what you want. It *is* old, and it'll feel clunky, but, *AS A DESKTOP*, it might be happier on that older hardware |
| 23:03.58 | pipegeek | Anyone else have an opinion? |
| 23:04.18 | pipegeek | I'm just saying what *I'd* probably do, which doesn't mean too too much ~_^ |
| 23:04.22 | h3sp4wn | upgrading 3.0 -> unstable just will not work |
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| 23:04.33 | pipegeek | h3sp4wn: Really? That's disappointing |
| 23:04.45 | EtherNet | h3sp4wn: I have done in different machine, w/o any problem |
| 23:04.49 | h3sp4wn | pipegeek: well it will but you have to go via sarge at least |
| 23:04.55 | pipegeek | h3sp4wn: oh, ye of little faith |
| 23:04.59 | pipegeek | :^) |
| 23:05.12 | pipegeek | h3sp4wn: Good luck. And let us know how it goes! |
| 23:05.17 | pipegeek | Aaron__: you still around? |
| 23:05.57 | Baktaah | excuse me |
| 23:05.57 | h3sp4wn | EtherNet: the libc in unstable now doesn't even support a 2.4 kernel |
| 23:05.57 | Baktaah | http://intellinuxwireless.org/index.php?n=Downloads Is i possible to install in Debian and how do you do it? |
| 23:05.58 | Baktaah | And does a netinstall of debian come with Gnome? |
| 23:06.11 | NicNac | it did when I installed it |
| 23:06.21 | NicNac | Gnome and KDE if I remember |
| 23:06.23 | Baktaah | NicNac cool and nautilius? |
| 23:06.25 | EtherNet | h3sp4wn: I must install a .6 kernel first |
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| 23:06.43 | NicNac | I think so Baktaah |
| 23:07.10 | h3sp4wn | EtherNet: yeah |
| 23:07.41 | chlue | Baktaah: the netinstall cd comes with nothing, but if you get network working you have the full packagelist at hand |
| 23:07.41 | h3sp4wn | EtherNet: Ideally the one in etch (there is udev issues you could get into) or use a static /dev |
| 23:07.52 | Baktaah | chlue cool |
| 23:07.56 | Baktaah | can anyone check |
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| 23:08.07 | EtherNet | h3sp4wn: as soon as I finish installing it, I will tell you how it goes |
| 23:08.24 | valdyn | Baktaah: netinstall comes with nothing like that. Everything is available via internet |
| 23:08.25 | techbie | !sarge->etch |
| 23:08.26 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. also ask me about <security> |
| 23:08.26 | Baktaah | can anyone check if it is possible to download drivers to Intel® Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN via apt-get install? |
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| 23:08.58 | valdyn | Baktaah: you can at http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 23:09.13 | valdyn | Baktaah: i dont think 4965 drivers are available, but who knows.. |
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| 23:09.57 | Baktaah | valdyn http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi&n=Downloads |
| 23:10.04 | Baktaah | valdyn couldnt find it inthe package list |
| 23:10.16 | valdyn | Baktaah: why cant you? |
| 23:10.17 | chlue | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 23:10.39 | Baktaah | I searched for 4965 |
| 23:10.44 | Baktaah | didnt find anything |
| 23:11.03 | Baktaah | it says non-free |
| 23:11.07 | Baktaah | what does that mean? |
| 23:11.12 | valdyn | !non-free |
| 23:11.12 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 23:11.32 | valdyn | Baktaah: its not that relevant for endusers |
| 23:12.14 | valdyn | Baktaah: intel drivers are generally in the debian kernels already. Just the firmware is not. |
| 23:12.37 | Baktaah | valdyn that didnt explain what non free means.. |
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| 23:12.40 | Baktaah | does it cost money |
| 23:12.40 | valdyn | Baktaah: for your specific chip you will need that package from unstable .. and i think a newer kernel |
| 23:13.02 | Baktaah | valdyn huh? |
| 23:13.12 | chlue | Baktaah: no, but if you look at the copyright file: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-nonfree_0.6/firmware-iwlwifi.copyright |
| 23:13.17 | techbie | Baktaah: you can build it from source too |
| 23:13.18 | valdyn | Baktaah: do you understand what a kernel is? |
| 23:13.24 | Baktaah | valdyn I downloaded http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 23:13.33 | Baktaah | valdyn yes, the Core... the OS itself? |
| 23:13.38 | valdyn | Baktaah: i dont really care what you downloaded |
| 23:13.49 | valdyn | Baktaah: ok, you dont understand it. |
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| 23:13.53 | Baktaah | valdyn yeah but does that version support my chipset? |
| 23:14.16 | valdyn | Baktaah: i dont think the kernel does contain that driver |
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| 23:15.07 | Baktaah | okay... what should I do then? |
| 23:15.31 | valdyn | Baktaah: complete your install, then check out http://www.backports.org/ for a newer kernel |
| 23:16.26 | techbie | Baktaah: 2.6.21 kernel is available in backports for etch |
| 23:16.46 | Baktaah | hmm what is Etch, valdyn thanks for the link will look it up. |
| 23:17.01 | Baktaah | I guess i should go downstairs for the router is there, since my wireless wont work in debian :) |
| 23:17.02 | Baktaah | thanks guys |
| 23:17.14 | techbie | Baktaah:/msg dpkg etch |
| 23:17.18 | Baktaah | Oh by the way, isnt there a way to get the 2.6.21 kernel directly? |
| 23:17.36 | valdyn | Baktaah: nope |
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| 23:17.46 | Baktaah | techbie dpkg didnt whisper me back |
| 23:17.55 | techbie | !etch |
| 23:17.55 | valdyn | !etch |
| 23:18.00 | Baktaah | its dead |
| 23:18.05 | valdyn | !test |
| 23:18.19 | dkr | whisper? hehe, this isn't world of warcraft, :) |
| 23:18.22 | namit | am tyring to customise my initrz for pxe and know how to mount image but wondering how do i install packages to it |
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| 23:18.34 | Baktaah | dkr lol..... Yeah |
| 23:18.41 | Baktaah | dkr got me there.. |
| 23:18.48 | Baktaah | Im trying to quit but its hard. |
| 23:19.22 | Baktaah | valdyn how come the Debian "group" doesnt want the latest drivers? |
| 23:19.24 | dkr | Baktaah: I was able to quit by forced cold turkey due to losing power for 2 weeks due to hurricane. :) |
| 23:19.35 | Baktaah | dkr ah tough break |
| 23:19.50 | Baktaah | both the hurricane and quitting cold turkey |
| 23:19.51 | valdyn | Baktaah: why do you think it doesnt 'want' ? |
| 23:19.58 | Baktaah | unstable, I dunno |
| 23:20.09 | Baktaah | But I dont care about the unstable application, just the drivers... |
| 23:20.40 | Baktaah | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.40 | Baktaah | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:20.50 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of debian stable |
| 23:20.54 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 23:21.16 | chlue | nice timing |
| 23:21.51 | namit | am tyring to install package to initrz, have it mounted but not sure how to install packages to it |
| 23:22.08 | valdyn | namit: you dont |
| 23:22.13 | marc7 | is there any reason I couldn't remove the "games" user from a debian installation meant for a server? |
| 23:22.18 | marc7 | unless I wanted nethack ;) |
| 23:22.25 | valdyn | marc7: why bother? |
| 23:22.35 | namit | valdyn: so what can i do |
| 23:22.42 | Baktaah | valdyn anyway if I install that backport thing, will my wifi work? |
| 23:22.49 | techbie | Baktaah:like i said if the package is not available , you can build it from the source ;) |
| 23:22.50 | namit | valdyn: its for pxe boot image i am using this ram disk |
| 23:22.58 | Baktaah | valdyn That is if I do this http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 23:23.02 | valdyn | Baktaah: you need that unstable firmware package too |
| 23:23.04 | marc7 | i really don't need a ton of the default users on the system, games, lp, uucp, news, proxy, list, irc, gnats |
| 23:23.28 | Baktaah | techbie huh, Im not that good |
| 23:23.33 | valdyn | Baktaah: it should. I cant guarantee you that that driver is already in 2.6.21, im just guessing it is |
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| 23:23.47 | chlue | marc7: it thing they are groups, so they should not care, or? |
| 23:23.54 | Baktaah | Why would you guess, you got anything that implies that it is in there? |
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| 23:24.34 | Baktaah | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/firmware-iwlwifi its this I want, |
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| 23:24.37 | marc7 | chlue: hmm? |
| 23:25.15 | chlue | marc7: sorry they are indead users. |
| 23:25.20 | valdyn | Baktaah: that's the firmware |
| 23:25.21 | marc7 | I'm just wondering besides a "why bother?" argument... if there's any reason I shouldn't remove them, for fear of dying a horrible death of not having a system that meets standards |
| 23:25.25 | marc7 | chlue: yeah :) |
| 23:25.39 | valdyn | Baktaah: this intel driver has 2 componenets: the kernel driver and the firmware |
| 23:26.16 | namit | valdyn: so how do i get packages onto it? |
| 23:26.27 | Baktaah | alright, the firmwire is in there but the driver isnt and it is in the backport, valdyn ? |
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| 23:27.03 | valdyn | marc7: groups are just a number - string of characters mapping, they dont do anything |
| 23:27.21 | Baktaah | Excuse me, does anyone got a Intel Wireless 4965? |
| 23:27.26 | techbie | Baktaah:no, its not available in backports |
| 23:27.27 | marc7 | valdyn: gotcha. thanks. |
| 23:27.36 | Kysh | Fucking spammers |
| 23:27.58 | valdyn | marc7: you dont want to remove it unless you know with certainty that there's no file beloniging to that group or that you wont ever install anything using that group |
| 23:28.40 | Baktaah | techbie ehm.. what should I do then :( |
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| 23:29.26 | chlue | Baktaah: why don't you just install your netinstall first. maybee update to testing if you like and then look if you could easy install the driver package from unstable? |
| 23:29.28 | Baktaah | could someone please help me with Intel Wireless 4965, is there a dist where it works out of the box or is it possible to get it working in Debian? |
| 23:29.34 | valdyn | namit: you can extract files to it |
| 23:29.41 | Baktaah | chlue I need to know if it is there chlue |
| 23:29.46 | Baktaah | in Unstable |
| 23:29.51 | techbie | Baktaah: installed the firmware first and then download the source code of driver from intel site and untar it and read the installation instructions |
| 23:29.55 | Baktaah | and I dont know how to get unstable (is it backporst) |
| 23:30.05 | Baktaah | techbie lost me at firmwire.. |
| 23:30.15 | Baktaah | I thought the firmwire is already installed? |
| 23:30.21 | chlue | Baktaah: do you know what a backport is? |
| 23:30.33 | Baktaah | nope, just that it is Unstable Debian (new kernel?) |
| 23:30.34 | valdyn | Baktaah: just download that firmware package and run 'dpkg -i file.deb' |
| 23:30.48 | Baktaah | What firmwire package |
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| 23:31.20 | valdyn | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 23:31.40 | stoned | the quickest way to double your money is to fold it in half, and put it back in your pocket. |
| 23:31.43 | Baktaah | how do I download it |
| 23:31.50 | dvs | stoned: New Yorker! |
| 23:31.57 | valdyn | Baktaah: with your webbrowser |
| 23:31.59 | stoned | dvs: hey man longo time no see |
| 23:32.08 | dvs | stoned: yeah, I know |
| 23:32.11 | stoned | if it is in unstable, can't you just get the package |
| 23:32.13 | dvs | busy busy |
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| 23:32.27 | Baktaah | valdyn Yeh I know that, but ehm.. from what, apt-get or? |
| 23:32.27 | stoned | and if you're not on unstable, don't install an unstable packge, get the source and build it |
| 23:32.33 | stoned | !simple sid backport |
| 23:32.33 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs. |
| 23:32.38 | valdyn | Baktaah: webbrowser |
| 23:32.43 | valdyn | Baktaah: i said nothing about apt-get |
| 23:32.44 | chlue | Baktaah: there seem to be a driver in unstalbe for you. that means, that you either have to install this driver and update a lot of stuff it depends on, or you find a backport for it. A backport is a version, that is made compartible with the stable distribution. (This means you are not allowed to update to testing if you want to use them) |
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| 23:32.56 | valdyn | chlue: where's that driver? |
| 23:32.58 | stoned | you can simply backport it yourself |
| 23:33.02 | stoned | its quite trivial you know |
| 23:33.05 | valdyn | geez |
| 23:33.06 | helo_ | if i ssh in as one user, su to another user, and then try to reattach to a running screen process, i just get "Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/2' - please check." is there a way i can get past this to use screen? |
| 23:33.06 | stoned | if you can read... that is. |
| 23:33.32 | Baktaah | chlue alright, I got debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso is that unstable? |
| 23:33.32 | chlue | valdyn: i thought the link posted some pages above is useable for him? |
| 23:33.39 | stoned | no |
| 23:33.42 | stoned | it is quite stable |
| 23:33.46 | valdyn | chlue: it is, but its firmware |
| 23:34.07 | valdyn | chlue: its not the driver. For this device to work he needs driver + firmware |
| 23:34.07 | chlue | no thats stable. thats why its called debian-40r0 |
| 23:34.17 | stoned | its stable dammit! |
| 23:34.23 | petemc | helo_: chown user `tty` |
| 23:34.25 | stoned | sid hasn't crashed on me in a long yeasr time |
| 23:34.26 | Baktaah | Alright easy... |
| 23:34.26 | stoned | i'll shush |
| 23:34.54 | valdyn | stoned: you dont really want to push unstable on Baktaah |
| 23:34.54 | chlue | valdyn: ok, but if there is the frimware in unstable, then at least 2.6.22 will have the driver, right? |
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| 23:34.57 | stoned | no but seriously man, how hard can it be to do a backport |
| 23:35.01 | Baktaah | Does this contain the driver http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 23:35.01 | stoned | valdyn: I AM NOT! |
| 23:35.04 | buchkurish | something keeps disconecting MY PUTTY! |
| 23:35.17 | petemc | buchkurish: some firewalls do that |
| 23:35.23 | buchkurish | evertime i connect to my server (debian 4.0) it boots me |
| 23:35.24 | valdyn | chlue: guess so, i dont know |
| 23:35.31 | petemc | buchkurish: does it happen after a period of inactivity? |
| 23:35.36 | buchkurish | petemc: yes sir |
| 23:35.49 | buchkurish | petemc: should be doing it in a sec, i just loged into it |
| 23:36.08 | buchkurish | petemc: i tried another machine, same situation, redownloaded putty, same situation, used SECURE CRT , no problem hahahaha |
| 23:36.19 | petemc | buchkurish: theres a tcpkeepalive option, but ive found it doesnt work all the time - sometimes i just keep top or something running a terminal |
| 23:36.28 | techbie | Baktaah: i already told u it does not contain the driver |
| 23:36.28 | chlue | Baktaah: maybee you really need a distribution with more automatisation, or take a day to understand what stable, testing, unstable and backport means before you proceed. |
| 23:36.33 | buchkurish | but i do not know how to operate anything in secure crt,, like alt+1 for screen and irssi |
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| 23:36.52 | buchkurish | petemc: well tis funny, just recently started doing this, |
| 23:37.00 | buchkurish | petemc: havent really done nuthin different to my works network |
| 23:37.13 | buchkurish | petemc: im pretty noobish to linux |
| 23:37.20 | valdyn | Baktaah: you need to dpkg -i the firmware package that you download from unstable, you ALSO need the new kernel from backports.org |
| 23:37.22 | Baktaah | chlue well I know what unstable means. |
| 23:37.27 | buchkurish | tcpeepalive? where could i find that opt |
| 23:37.37 | petemc | buchkurish: if you're not going through a firewall, then it must be something else |
| 23:37.40 | Baktaah | I just want to get my wifi working for debian to do some safe surfing.... |
| 23:37.40 | valdyn | Baktaah: no you dont, its not the intuitive meaning |
| 23:37.53 | stoned | right |
| 23:37.55 | stoned | prawn. |
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| 23:38.21 | buchkurish | petemc: well could i reinstall somethign? install something? remove soemething? haha should i remove ssh and reinstall it |
| 23:38.40 | stoned | that will not accomplish much |
| 23:38.42 | stoned | this is not windows |
| 23:38.56 | Baktaah | Alright |
| 23:39.00 | Baktaah | Wich version of Debian |
| 23:39.12 | chlue | Baktaah: i am not talking about the word, i am talking about the meaning in debian. See here http://www.debian.org/releases/ for a start. |
| 23:39.27 | Baktaah | wich version of debian got Intel® Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN? |
| 23:39.43 | stoned | didn't they just tell you that |
| 23:39.47 | stoned | like multiple times? |
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| 23:40.01 | Baktaah | no, not clearly, didnt understand it |
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| 23:40.09 | stoned | they were clear enough for me |
| 23:40.09 | Baktaah | and ...who is etch (from Toy story I presume?) |
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| 23:40.12 | axos88 | s88> hello! Can anyone tell me what exactly is this, and why is it appearing? once or twice a day? http://www.pastebin.ca/6 |
| 23:40.15 | Baktaah | stoned well you are stoned |
| 23:40.16 | valdyn | looks to me like that driver is not in debian at all |
| 23:40.17 | stoned | !releases |
| 23:40.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 23:40.20 | valdyn | just the firmware is |
| 23:40.24 | techbie | Baktaah:! |
| 23:40.36 | Baktaah | valdyn alright |
| 23:40.44 | Baktaah | valdyn what the point of having the firmwire without driver? |
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| 23:41.09 | buchkurish | heh |
| 23:41.12 | buchkurish | petemc: any other ideas? |
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| 23:41.17 | valdyn | Baktaah: not much at all |
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| 23:41.32 | valdyn | Baktaah: but see, there's a chicken and egg problem. One of both has to be in debian first |
| 23:41.39 | chlue | axos88: try your link |
| 23:41.45 | Draconicus | I love Debian, I love all sorts of Debian derivitives (except MEPIS - ew..), but I'm very curious about something. |
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| 23:41.48 | Baktaah | valdyn roger, however its useless without the other |
| 23:42.02 | valdyn | Baktaah: right, so get the driver elsewhere |
| 23:42.07 | Draconicus | WHY does apt archive its binary packages instead of deleting them after the installation is successful? |
| 23:42.12 | Draconicus | To what advantage is this? |
| 23:42.12 | petemc | buchkurish: did you look at the keep alive options for putty and openssh? |
| 23:42.12 | buchkurish | does anyone know what could be disconnecting my putty, secure crt stays loged in but puty doesnt |
| 23:42.13 | axos88 | chlue, sorry |
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| 23:42.24 | axos88 | chlue, http://www.pastebin.ca/635281 |
| 23:42.44 | buchkurish | petemc: i havent let me go see if i can finmd, i mean i redownloaded another putty to a brand new machine, that never ran putty |
| 23:42.47 | buchkurish | petemc: same situation |
| 23:43.07 | Baktaah | valdyn http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi&n=Downloads |
| 23:43.09 | buchkurish | gaylicious |
| 23:43.20 | valdyn | Baktaah: yea |
| 23:43.23 | buchkurish | still not disconnecting me i dunno why |
| 23:43.25 | buchkurish | ..grrr |
| 23:43.26 | Baktaah | valdyn is that firmwire or driver |
| 23:43.27 | petemc | buchkurish: i didnt ask if you had reinstalled putty |
| 23:43.32 | buchkurish | murphy's law |
| 23:43.39 | petemc | buchkurish: i doubt thats the problem |
| 23:43.48 | buchkurish | petemc: but ive ran putty ten thousand times and it never did this to me |
| 23:43.59 | chlue | axos88: nothing i can understand |
| 23:44.02 | Kysh | I ended up in a mail loop with a spammer |
| 23:44.02 | buchkurish | petemc: i havent ran my machine for about 2 - 3 weeks, i come back on it and it starts doing it |
| 23:44.05 | Kysh | Can you believe that? |
| 23:44.13 | axos88 | chlue, is this some kind of kernel OOPS? |
| 23:44.16 | valdyn | Baktaah: both is there, the microcode images are firmware |
| 23:44.16 | buchkurish | ill go check keep alive on putty |
| 23:44.31 | Baktaah | valdyn but I dont need the firmwire if I install etch ? |
| 23:44.48 | valdyn | Baktaah: why would you think so? |
| 23:44.53 | chlue | axos88: you really need to ask the rest here. I do not understand that |
| 23:45.03 | valdyn | Baktaah: didnt we tell you 3+ times already to get the firmware? |
| 23:45.15 | Baktaah | valdyn since you said something about egg and chicken... that one ofthem is alreadythere? |
| 23:45.20 | Baktaah | of them is already there |
| 23:45.39 | valdyn | Baktaah: the firmware is in unstable |
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| 23:46.13 | axos88 | chlue, okay, thanks |
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| 23:46.33 | Baktaah | valdyn right |
| 23:46.39 | axos88 | hello! Can anyone tell me what exactly is this, and why is it appearing? once or twice a day? http://www.pastebin.ca/635281 |
| 23:46.42 | Draconicus | Why? Does anyone know? |
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| 23:46.52 | techbi1 | !anyone |
| 23:46.52 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 23:47.03 | Baktaah | valdyn and.... If I get unstable, the firmwire will install itself by apt-get... ?= |
| 23:47.21 | karsten | axos88: Does "akos" mean anything to you? Is that your hostname? |
| 23:47.27 | chlue | Draconicus: i wondered myself. The only reason i can imagine is to reduce serverload if you want to reinstall a package |
| 23:47.28 | valdyn | Baktaah: right, but that's not the right way to fix this |
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| 23:47.33 | axos88 | karsten, yes |
| 23:47.37 | Baktaah | valdyn why is that? |
| 23:47.43 | axos88 | karsten, it's my hostname and my username also |
| 23:48.11 | Draconicus | chlue: That would make them selfish, wouldn't it. :P |
| 23:48.23 | valdyn | Baktaah: putting your WHOLE SYSTEM to unstable is by no means the way to fix a SINGLE thing |
| 23:48.29 | Draconicus | It ought to at LEAST have an expiration date applied. |
| 23:48.31 | karsten | axos88: Looks like an oops. What log is that? Anything in /var/log/kern.log or 'dmesg' output? |
| 23:48.44 | chlue | Draconicus: in fact as long as it is free, I think they have the right to do that :-) |
| 23:48.53 | Draconicus | Mm. |
| 23:48.57 | Draconicus | Or automatically delete old archived packages when you do apt-get update |
| 23:49.11 | Baktaah | alright what would be the correct way; getting the firmwire from intellinux.com and installing it myself? |
| 23:49.25 | Draconicus | Though people might get mad if there's a buggy package somewhere in the repository and only an older version will fix the problem. |
| 23:49.32 | axos88 | karsten, yes there is, I'm making a post now |
| 23:49.50 | valdyn | Baktaah: that's probably good yea |
| 23:50.03 | valdyn | Baktaah: this is a very new driver, intel isnt declaring it stable or anything |
| 23:50.16 | Baktaah | valdyn too bad I suck, I just read the readme, sounds too complex and hard.. |
| 23:50.21 | Baktaah | Couldnt understand jacks*it |
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| 23:50.57 | ryanCH | is it hard to get USB devices to work on debian? |
| 23:51.15 | dvs | ryanCH: depends which device it is. |
| 23:51.24 | karsten | axos88: OK. BTW, at work doing stuff, so give me a few minutes to get to you. |
| 23:51.32 | chlue | Draconicus: additionall I don't know if you need the package to remove it. |
| 23:51.35 | ryanCH | dvs: like a USB mouse/keyboard |
| 23:51.35 | valdyn | Baktaah: read the grey box btw |
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| 23:51.49 | dvs | ryanCH: mice are easy. I never tried a keyboard |
| 23:51.56 | Draconicus | chlue: I don't follow. |
| 23:52.00 | karsten | Dual socket, dual core, 64 GB RAM. |
| 23:52.02 | axos88 | karsten, dmesg: http://www.pastebin.ca/635297 tail kern.log: http://www.pastebin.ca/635299 |
| 23:52.07 | axos88 | karsten, okay, thanks |
| 23:52.11 | karsten | Kernel build -j4 in 1m31s. |
| 23:52.12 | Baktaah | valdyn ehm, huh? |
| 23:52.26 | Draconicus | chlue: Installed you mean? No. It'll get rid of one even if it's not installed in the system. |
| 23:52.32 | dvs01 | its my evil twin again =D |
| 23:52.44 | Draconicus | chlue: So long as it's actually, you know... archived. :P |
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| 23:53.25 | Folko | Hi.. I removed an USB BlueTooth dongle from my USB port and now the USB stack seems to have crashed, e.g. the lsbusb command hangs and can't even be kill -9'ed. When I try to remove the l2cap kernel module, I get "device is in use". How do I fix this without a reboot? |
| 23:53.47 | dvs | dvs01: muhahahah! |
| 23:54.06 | chlue | Draconicus: I still think they are just kept to spare bandwith (just in case) and harddiskspace usually don't matter today. |
| 23:54.52 | chlue | Draconicus: actually there is an option in aptitude to clear the cache. |
| 23:54.55 | Draconicus | chlue: Today, yes, but back when people had 10 giggers... mmf. I still deal with that when I work with spare parts to build project machines. |
| 23:55.04 | karsten | axos88: Looks like some form of kernel panic, you might want to read the REPORTING-BUGS document in your kernel source tree particularly in debugging a ksymoops output. |
| 23:55.22 | Draconicus | chlue: Yeah. I think Synaptic has it too. Is it a permanent configuration option in aptitude, do you know? |
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| 23:55.26 | axos88 | hmm okay |
| 23:55.37 | axos88 | karsten, so you think this should be reported? |
| 23:55.45 | stoned | !seen rahul |
| 23:55.46 | seraphangel | [%] stoned, erm... rahul is on #debian right now.... .$Bec(B»$B~?(B«UPP$B~?(B»$Bec(B» |
| 23:55.47 | dpkg | rahul is currently on #debian, last said: 'jelly doesn't respond well to patching'. |
| 23:55.50 | karsten | axos88: First find out what's causing it. |
| 23:55.53 | chlue | Draconicus: afaik no |
| 23:55.54 | Baktaah | valdyn what gray box? |
| 23:56.32 | pipegeek | stoned has returned! |
| 23:56.38 | axos88 | karsten, i was hoping someone could help with that... but as far as I see, there are some messages about the wlan card (but the wrapper driver is used, so that may be the cause?) |
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| 23:56.57 | pipegeek | Welcome, oh, maven of marijuana, oh potentate of pot, oh wizard of weed |
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| 23:57.34 | stoned | And as such, I command thee to stfu. |
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| 23:57.42 | stoned | j/k |
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| 23:58.18 | karsten | axos88: Sure, could be. |
| 23:58.36 | axos88 | karsten, okay, thanks for your help |
| 23:58.38 | karsten | axos88: Usual troubleshooting steps are: find out what module(s) are causing the problem, try unloading them and see if the problem dgoes away. |
| 23:58.58 | stoned | I smell horse doody |
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| 23:59.05 | karsten | axos88: If the problem is with a non-free module (eg: your kernel is tainted), you're on your own. If it's part of the standard kernel build tree, then you might be able to file a bug. |
| 23:59.17 | karsten | stoned: That's the trouble with living in stables. |
| 23:59.22 | axos88 | karsten, i would do this, but the only problem is that this is displayed very rarely |
| 23:59.32 | stoned | karsten: hahaha |
| 23:59.34 | karsten | axos88: Right. |
| 23:59.37 | stoned | you got one on me |
| 23:59.46 | stoned | i'll remember that buddy, you'll get yours :) |
| 23:59.49 | karsten | axos88: I'm pretty much trying to exercise a bug in hardware ATM. |