| 00:00.09 | Kjikaqawej | so the name's satirical |
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| 00:01.11 | Guerin | not so much the name - but the treatment is quite satirical, although the subjects believe they're being taken seriously; and there's nothing *explicit* in the film to refute that. |
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| 00:01.33 | Guerin | the subversion is all in the cut, the soundtrack, etc - covert channel |
| 00:01.37 | trumpen | xserver-xorg-video-* don't use much disk... |
| 00:01.45 | Kjikaqawej | ah ok |
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| 00:02.13 | Kjikaqawej | trumpen: yeh, it's like the x driver, plus some package management scripts |
| 00:02.29 | Kjikaqawej | i think the scripts take up more room than the driver |
| 00:02.37 | o2T7 | !nvidia one-liner |
| 00:02.37 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 00:02.53 | Kjikaqawej | !tell o2T7 -about msg the bot |
| 00:03.00 | ggeecko | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.48 | lvmc | Kjikaqawej, this does not work? |
| 00:03.54 | o2T7 | ty kjikaqawej ;) I was writing a mini tuto, so i put this on it :D |
| 00:03.57 | Kjikaqawej | oh man i wish it would rain again. didn't get enough |
| 00:04.23 | Kjikaqawej | lvmc: what doesn't work |
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| 00:05.16 | lvmc | Kjikaqawej, how i remove xserver-xorg-video-* |
| 00:05.41 | Kjikaqawej | lvmc: well you don't remove them all, keep the one(s) you need |
| 00:05.53 | Kjikaqawej | use aptitude, makes this a lot simpler |
| 00:06.49 | lvmc | Kjikaqawej, i don`t need this. I use binary drivers... |
| 00:06.55 | lvmc | how i can remove? |
| 00:07.16 | Kjikaqawej | do you know how to remove a package? |
| 00:07.31 | Kjikaqawej | do yo know how to use aptitude? |
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| 00:09.09 | Kjikaqawej | lvmc: man apt-get; man aptitude; use /mysearchterm to look for something in the manual page |
| 00:09.23 | lvmc | this is not the problem.. |
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| 00:09.54 | Kjikaqawej | so state the problem instead of saying "it doesn't work" or "that's not it", please |
| 00:10.19 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 00:10.20 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 00:13.37 | o2T7 | What does nvidia_post_etch means? |
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| 00:14.56 | Supaplex | after etch |
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| 00:15.15 | o2T7 | ok, sid, for example |
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| 00:15.31 | o2T7 | ty :) |
| 00:16.11 | Supaplex | lenny to |
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| 00:16.45 | o2T7 | fine |
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| 00:19.48 | deadlyliver | halo |
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| 00:22.03 | x03 | hi |
| 00:22.11 | deadlyliver | hi |
| 00:22.31 | jetscreamer | ih |
| 00:22.45 | x03 | i install vim from apt and now i can not have the "syntax" feature how can i "reconfigure/recompile" vim for enable that feature ? |
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| 00:22.57 | lvmc | how i can custom the boot process? |
| 00:23.04 | jetscreamer | !d-i |
| 00:23.04 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 00:23.14 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
| 00:23.31 | jetscreamer | !runlevel |
| 00:23.33 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing rcconf or file-rc instead. |
| 00:23.54 | jetscreamer | that |
| 00:24.03 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:24.11 | jetscreamer | ftw |
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| 00:27.52 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 00:27.52 | dpkg | <veleno> Guerin: i don't know what a moron is. |
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| 00:39.44 | lvmc | how i can drop exim4 from etch? |
| 00:39.52 | treyh0 | dpkg -P |
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| 00:40.04 | treyh0 | !beer |
| 00:40.04 | dpkg | from memory, beer is liquid gold mate |
| 00:40.05 | stoned | jetscreamer: you've heard Fear Factory? |
| 00:40.20 | stoned | boratman |
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| 00:40.22 | treyh0 | !beer me |
| 00:40.23 | stoned | hehehe |
| 00:40.39 | rahul | haha |
| 00:40.43 | rahul | s t o n e d |
| 00:40.45 | stoned | rahul: dude whats up |
| 00:40.46 | Guerin | fear factory is boring wankery |
| 00:40.54 | stoned | Guerin: I kinda like the vocals |
| 00:40.55 | rahul | stoned: not much |
| 00:41.03 | Guerin | stoned: that's because you have no ears |
| 00:41.06 | rahul | my brother is in town |
| 00:41.12 | stoned | ahh word man |
| 00:41.17 | stoned | tell him hes a gandu for me |
| 00:41.18 | stoned | ok |
| 00:41.19 | stoned | word |
| 00:41.25 | rahul | for you, eh |
| 00:41.27 | jetscreamer | stoned: can't swear, may have |
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| 00:41.40 | stoned | jetscreamer: their cd Transgression man its freakin sweet |
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| 00:41.48 | stoned | its a change over from gowling |
| 00:41.52 | stoned | like machine head |
| 00:41.58 | stoned | I like the singing kinda harmonized vocals |
| 00:42.05 | stoned | go good with metal of this kind |
| 00:42.09 | stoned | not too much double bass bullsit |
| 00:42.13 | stoned | groovy shit |
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| 00:42.37 | rahul | you and metal john should do a G2 show :P |
| 00:42.38 | unseensoul | hi |
| 00:42.45 | stoned | lol |
| 00:42.51 | rahul | that would seriously rock |
| 00:43.01 | stoned | rahul: seriously man, find me some people man, I will make seriously SICK metal |
| 00:43.17 | rahul | yeah, gotta find a drummer first... |
| 00:43.20 | stoned | my last band dissolved in 2001 |
| 00:43.34 | stoned | for 6 years now I've been playing i mean |
| 00:43.40 | stoned | you have any idea what all the shit i have in my head |
| 00:43.42 | rahul | use craigslist |
| 00:43.43 | stoned | its making me retarded |
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| 00:44.38 | stoned | rahul: where you off to? |
| 00:44.45 | stoned | rahul: dude I got some great shit |
| 00:44.47 | stoned | oh whoops |
| 00:44.50 | stoned | goddamit |
| 00:44.50 | rahul | haha |
| 00:45.15 | Guerin | nono, we were interested in your `great shit' |
| 00:46.06 | stoned | i forgot to type /msg |
| 00:46.29 | stoned | Guerin: but really, it is fire |
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| 00:47.45 | jetscreamer | mail me some, i'm at the fbi headquarters in houston |
| 00:47.46 | abrotman | isn't there a #stonedandfriends yet? |
| 00:47.51 | mindpixel | why would xdm take 20 minutes to load up the login screen on a fresh install of stable? |
| 00:48.10 | abrotman | mindpixel: from which point ? |
| 00:48.21 | mindpixel | from boot |
| 00:48.24 | buu | mindpixel: Your computer is slow and kde is bloated. |
| 00:48.25 | azeem | mindpixel: did it take 20 minutes, or did it take 20 minutes so far, but hasn't finished? |
| 00:48.32 | abrotman | buu: xdm ? not kde ? |
| 00:48.33 | mindpixel | i don't have kde |
| 00:48.41 | mindpixel | fresh net install, xdm |
| 00:48.42 | buu | abrotman: It was a guess! |
| 00:48.47 | abrotman | buu: not a bad one :) |
| 00:48.55 | abrotman | mindpixel: machine specs ? |
| 00:48.56 | buu | Can we blame gnome instead? |
| 00:48.59 | mindpixel | ion3 but i am not gettig to sessions |
| 00:49.00 | azeem | buu: this channel is about user support, not random guesses |
| 00:49.08 | mindpixel | amd64 x2 4200 |
| 00:49.12 | abrotman | too slow! |
| 00:49.13 | mindpixel | 1gb ram etc |
| 00:49.13 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:49.14 | buu | azeem: the entirety of irc is devoted to random guesses. |
| 00:49.23 | azeem | buu: are you trolling? |
| 00:49.25 | abrotman | mindpixel: do you watch it boot? does it get stuck anywhere ? |
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| 00:49.32 | mindpixel | noup |
| 00:49.33 | buu | abrotman: Mildly. |
| 00:49.39 | abrotman | buu: wrong person |
| 00:49.42 | buu | abrotman: =[ |
| 00:49.45 | abrotman | mindpixel: so which part takes 20 minutes |
| 00:49.49 | mindpixel | it seems like a xorg problem but i can see anything wrong in the logs |
| 00:50.11 | azeem | mindpixel: is xdm displaying the login screen after 20 minutes or not? |
| 00:50.17 | buu | mindpixel: Can you perhaps try it without xdm? |
| 00:50.28 | mindpixel | i starts to |
| 00:50.33 | mindpixel | draw it |
| 00:50.36 | mindpixel | mm by mm |
| 00:51.16 | azeem | mindpixel: how long is the boot process taking till "Starting xdm" is written? |
| 00:51.22 | azeem | more than 3-5 minutes? |
| 00:51.28 | mindpixel | i did with similar results , xorg does not crash but it is not loading |
| 00:51.38 | mindpixel | azeem: seconds |
| 00:51.41 | azeem | hrm |
| 00:51.42 | mindpixel | normal i mean |
| 00:51.44 | azeem | ok |
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| 00:51.50 | abrotman | mindpixel: what video card? |
| 00:51.56 | mindpixel | ati x850 |
| 00:52.21 | buu | mindpixel: Have you checked the other diagnostics on the system? Load and top and such? |
| 00:52.28 | jetscreamer | what driver are you using |
| 00:52.29 | jetscreamer | for xorg |
| 00:52.32 | mindpixel | ati |
| 00:52.34 | mindpixel | radeon |
| 00:52.45 | mindpixel | the open source one that comes with xorg |
| 00:53.02 | mindpixel | it should |
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| 00:53.28 | Internat85 | Failed to fetch http://192.168.0.61:9999/debian/dists/etch/non-free/source/Sources.gz 500 Unknown status code: 302 |
| 00:53.35 | Internat85 | anyone know why i would get that from my apt proxy server? |
| 00:53.41 | jetscreamer | ftp://x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/radeon.4.html#toc3 |
| 00:53.46 | jetscreamer | doesn't seem to |
| 00:53.56 | azeem | this is 7.0 |
| 00:54.00 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
| 00:54.24 | jetscreamer | it does |
| 00:54.28 | azeem | mindpixel: did you try the vesa driver? |
| 00:54.35 | jetscreamer | it says it suports it |
| 00:54.56 | mindpixel | it says it does |
| 00:55.00 | mindpixel | i don't want 3d |
| 00:55.10 | mindpixel | just running x |
| 00:55.25 | Guerin | mindpixel: use `radeon' |
| 00:55.27 | mindpixel | i am going to try vesa |
| 00:55.32 | jetscreamer | the docs seem to cover all of em |
| 00:55.38 | jetscreamer | 7.0 docs |
| 00:56.05 | Guerin | oh, an x series |
| 00:56.13 | Guerin | go buy a TNT2 |
| 00:56.19 | mindpixel | :) |
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| 00:56.53 | mindpixel | i have nvidia card but it does not support widescreen resolutions so i am forced to go with the ati |
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| 00:57.53 | trumpen | I would like to find files in a directory that were created more than an hour ago. How could I do that? With "find" I can find files that are older that $n days only...any ideas? |
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| 01:00.24 | mindpixel | i removed the framebuffer and it loaded up slighly better, still waiting 60+ seconds from the start of high res mode for the debian bootsplash |
| 01:00.43 | Guerin | bugger. |
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| 01:03.21 | itrebal | after running apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 it should automaticly run aeverything necissary then YI just reboot? |
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| 01:04.24 | cafuego | Usually, yes |
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| 01:04.36 | itrebal | fantastic |
| 01:04.38 | itrebal | thanks |
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| 01:06.47 | stoned | install hydrogen |
| 01:06.50 | stoned | oh crap |
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| 01:07.25 | o2T7 | rehi |
| 01:07.44 | o2T7 | how to change the type of a file? |
| 01:07.49 | o2T7 | I mean: |
| 01:08.04 | o2T7 | file file1.pdf |
| 01:08.20 | jetscreamer | !mimetype |
| 01:08.25 | jetscreamer | !mimetypes |
| 01:08.28 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 01:08.32 | Guerin | why would you want to change the mime type? |
| 01:08.49 | o2T7 | Guerin: Because of default program to start with |
| 01:08.51 | Guerin | i'm not even sure that's possible without actually changing the file itself |
| 01:08.52 | Caelum | when I print to a canon imagerunner 330s it says "insert a4 paper" even though I specified plain letter in cups, also it prints single sided and I want it to print double sided |
| 01:09.04 | Guerin | o2T7: just tell a different program to open it? |
| 01:09.12 | o2T7 | mm, you see, |
| 01:09.12 | jetscreamer | o2T7: perhaps you wish to change the program that opens certain types of files |
| 01:09.13 | o2T7 | mc |
| 01:09.21 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 01:09.23 | o2T7 | and default programs for pdf files |
| 01:09.32 | jetscreamer | update-alternatives |
| 01:09.34 | o2T7 | some of them are postscript |
| 01:09.41 | o2T7 | and some of them are pdf 1.4 |
| 01:09.53 | o2T7 | so i want to oen all with xpdf |
| 01:10.05 | Guerin | o2T7: so configure it to do so. |
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| 01:10.11 | o2T7 | and the other postscript with whatever |
| 01:10.26 | o2T7 | But it is simpler to change the mime for *.pdf |
| 01:10.35 | Guerin | no, it's not |
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| 01:11.35 | o2T7 | and then change it at the rest of environments that lie other applications different of xpdf? |
| 01:11.49 | o2T7 | really is there no such tool? |
| 01:12.19 | Guerin | wtf? |
| 01:12.25 | Guerin | parse error |
| 01:12.32 | o2T7 | like* |
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| 01:13.11 | Guerin | in debian it should be mostly handled by update-alternatives |
| 01:13.12 | o2T7 | sorry for my english :( |
| 01:13.18 | Guerin | but gnome and kde have their own retarded ways |
| 01:13.29 | Guerin | nah, it's cool, makes sense with the typo corrected ;) |
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| 01:13.45 | o2T7 | thank you , will have a look |
| 01:14.09 | o2T7 | to update-alternatives ;) |
| 01:14.35 | mindpixel | well i figured out my problem, xorg process runs at 100% but why? |
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| 01:15.12 | bpun | is it possible to pass a command to execute on a remote ssh station with ssh command? |
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| 01:15.36 | duckx | yes bpun |
| 01:15.57 | qrck | my system got speedier and can run almost more processes with the same amount of memory, it's just it slows to creeping speeds when cronjobs or apt-get is running why's that ? |
| 01:15.58 | duckx | ssh user@host your_command |
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| 01:16.42 | Guerin | qrck: because. |
| 01:16.50 | Guerin | mindpixel: sounds like a dicky driver. |
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| 01:17.18 | duckx | qrck: debian database is around 12000 packages ... takes IO to update |
| 01:17.40 | duckx | Means slow drive @that time |
| 01:17.49 | qrck | ok, so my bus speed is low |
| 01:17.50 | mindpixel | Guerin: tryed ati,radeon,vesa |
| 01:17.57 | duckx | +updating is runned as a root |
| 01:18.02 | qrck | no wonder just 33 mhz |
| 01:18.08 | duckx | You run your session as user |
| 01:18.10 | Guerin | qrck: yeah, that'll do it. |
| 01:18.16 | duckx | Root has the priority |
| 01:18.30 | Guerin | duckx: not strictly true. |
| 01:18.32 | duckx | What you can do is add a nice to your update command |
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| 01:18.48 | duckx | Guerin: yeah sure ... |
| 01:18.52 | Guerin | nice doesn't really help I/O lag much |
| 01:18.55 | duckx | It is a bit more complicated |
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| 01:19.01 | Guerin | that's the problem with slow drives |
| 01:19.05 | Guerin | duckx: :) |
| 01:19.14 | duckx | Yeah, I just changed my drive |
| 01:19.20 | duckx | And really see the difference |
| 01:19.29 | duckx | Well, I compile a bunch of stuff |
| 01:19.42 | Guerin | the only real cure is to get a fasterr i/o device, or schedule cron and such to run when you're not using the box |
| 01:19.44 | duckx | Just get 3x faster right now |
| 01:19.46 | Guerin | like at 0330 |
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| 01:20.04 | duckx | Well it is 3:30 there Guerin ;) |
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| 01:21.08 | Guerin | it's not 3:30 anywhere right now |
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| 01:22.21 | duckx | qrck: just for testing |
| 01:22.27 | duckx | This will create a 100m file |
| 01:22.37 | duckx | And give you the time it takes to make it |
| 01:22.44 | duckx | time dd if=/dev/zero of=toto count=10 bs=10M |
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| 01:23.02 | duckx | Here are my stats |
| 01:23.05 | duckx | real 0m0.739s |
| 01:23.05 | duckx | user 0m0.000s |
| 01:23.05 | duckx | sys 0m0.696s |
| 01:23.33 | zinx | uhm, not sure what you're expecting that to mean :/ |
| 01:23.54 | duckx | this is a pure IO test |
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| 01:23.59 | zinx | no it isn't |
| 01:24.01 | duckx | memory to hd |
| 01:24.07 | zinx | in fact, every single bit of that will remain in memory |
| 01:24.09 | duckx | lol some cache behind |
| 01:24.16 | zinx | Linux will cache it. |
| 01:24.16 | duckx | lol |
| 01:24.17 | duckx | k |
| 01:24.48 | zinx | sorry, but you don't have a drive that gets over 100MB/s |
| 01:25.02 | abrotman | i do! |
| 01:25.12 | zinx | abrotman: sure, but not him :P |
| 01:25.17 | epsilon | only with raid |
| 01:25.38 | alanhaggai | Hi, How can I limit/control the bandwidth that is shared from my server? |
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| 01:25.55 | Pupeno | Hello. |
| 01:26.07 | Pupeno | What does the second part of "Depends: ghc6 (>= 6.6), ghc6 (<< 6.6+)" mean? |
| 01:26.26 | abrotman | alanhaggai: traffic shapping |
| 01:26.36 | ofer | it means something depends on ghc in a version >= 6.6 but only < 6.6 is available |
| 01:26.45 | alanhaggai | abrotman, which package does that? |
| 01:26.52 | duckx | so lets do #> time ( sync; dd if=/dev/zero of=toto count=10 bs=10M; sync ) |
| 01:27.02 | duckx | one or two time ... ;) |
| 01:27.03 | abrotman | !wondershaper |
| 01:27.03 | dpkg | [wondershaper] a script which uses the traffic shaping features of the Linux kernel to fix some problems, including making downloads continue at full speed while uploads are happening at max rate, plus keeping good interactive response times while bulk transfers are busy |
| 01:27.15 | Pupeno | ofer: but that is written in the control file. |
| 01:27.15 | abrotman | !traffic shaping |
| 01:27.15 | dpkg | well, traffic shaping is a method of controlling the rate of traffic over a specific interface acording to a set of rules. see http://lartc.org/ for information on traffic shaping and advanced routing controls in linux. |
| 01:27.50 | cydork | alanhaggai: you can try trickle too. |
| 01:27.52 | alanhaggai | abrotman, thank you :) |
| 01:28.00 | alanhaggai | Ok cydork |
| 01:28.10 | duckx | or better |
| 01:28.25 | duckx | sync; time ( dd if=/dev/zero of=toto count=10 bs=10M; sync ) |
| 01:28.30 | abrotman | cydork: that's per user |
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| 01:29.05 | abrotman | cydork: since alanhaggai said it was a shared server .. i assumed he meant system wide ... when using trickle .. you have to trust the users to actually use it |
| 01:29.06 | duckx | For info, wine now run on AMD64 builds |
| 01:29.09 | cydork | abrotman: aah i missed the server part in his question.. |
| 01:29.17 | duckx | That coool :) |
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| 01:29.41 | alanhaggai | Oh I see. |
| 01:30.55 | eldowan | I'm running lenny. I currently have gcc 4.1.3 and the kernel was build with 4.1.2 . How would I go about getting 4.1.2 ? |
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| 01:31.40 | Guerin | eldowan: snapshot.debian.net |
| 01:31.51 | Guerin | eldowan: or just update your kernel to the most recent |
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| 01:33.31 | eldowan | Guerin: if I update my kernel past .18 to .20, my nvidia drivers quit working, and wont compile because the of gpl restrictions |
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| 01:33.57 | Guerin | sucks to use nvidia |
| 01:34.04 | rockets | What is the correct way to stop a service from running at boot? I know chmod -x scriptname cant be it |
| 01:34.16 | Guerin | rockets: /msg dpkg services |
| 01:34.18 | epsilon | remove from rc |
| 01:34.20 | Guerin | no |
| 01:34.21 | jelly-home | eldowan: build a custom kernel and disable PARAVIRT option |
| 01:34.28 | epsilon | man rc-update |
| 01:34.29 | Guerin | don't remove from rc |
| 01:34.41 | eldowan | jelly-home: I've never had luck with a custom kernel |
| 01:34.49 | rockets | yeah well ive been doing update-rc.d blah remove but i thought that seems silly |
| 01:34.53 | rockets | why delete the scripts |
| 01:35.02 | rockets | and i tried using rcconf but it doesnt seem to list everything |
| 01:35.11 | Guerin | rockets: it doesn't delete the scripts; it deletes symlinks. |
| 01:35.19 | rockets | ok |
| 01:35.25 | epsilon | *update-rc.d I mean |
| 01:35.29 | rockets | so update-rc.d is the proper way? |
| 01:35.35 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:35.35 | Guerin | rockets: yes. |
| 01:36.15 | eldowan | Guerin: assuming I try the snapshot option, how would I downgrade to gcc 4.1.2 without breaking anything? |
| 01:36.18 | jelly-home | but, what update-rc.d does IS to remove the symlinks in rc.d, so why <Guerin> don't remove from rc ? |
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| 01:36.47 | Guerin | jelly-home: most people mean by that to remove from /etc/init.d |
| 01:36.56 | epsilon | eldowan: downgrading is complicated, especially for gcc... |
| 01:37.06 | jelly-home | Guerin: but there's no "rc" there! |
| 01:37.11 | jelly-home | :-) |
| 01:37.11 | rockets | so update-rc.d servicename remove |
| 01:37.16 | Guerin | eldowan: it's tricky. You just have to hope the libc dep is the same. |
| 01:37.22 | Guerin | jelly-home: this is true ;) |
| 01:37.35 | rockets | what about setting scriptnames to Kblah rather then Sblah |
| 01:37.38 | rockets | that seems to have some effect |
| 01:37.43 | Guerin | rockets: k=kill; s=start |
| 01:37.48 | rockets | oh |
| 01:37.52 | rockets | so that specifically kills it |
| 01:37.55 | rockets | rather then just not starting it |
| 01:37.55 | Guerin | so changing them to k can work |
| 01:38.08 | Guerin | yeah, but it amounts to the same thing |
| 01:38.09 | rockets | right but its not necessary to change to k if i dont want it started to begin with |
| 01:38.16 | Guerin | indeed, it's not. |
| 01:38.22 | jelly-home | rockets: you could also rename the symlink to anything not starting with a capital S |
| 01:38.25 | Guerin | there are many ways to skin this particular cat. |
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| 01:38.39 | jelly-home | rockets: like, s20ssh |
| 01:39.02 | rockets | cool |
| 01:39.06 | rockets | i appreciate the help guys |
| 01:39.12 | abrotman | i just always made it X##name |
| 01:39.14 | rockets | and/or girls |
| 01:40.02 | rockets | so if a file is S00 vs S01 vs S92 |
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| 01:40.08 | rockets | does that represent the order it should be executed in |
| 01:40.14 | abrotman | jelly-home: you could prepend an _ i suppose |
| 01:40.17 | abrotman | rockets: yes |
| 01:40.20 | rockets | cool |
| 01:40.26 | abrotman | isn't there a man page for this ? like man init ? |
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| 01:41.07 | rockets | if i get this update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/nfs-common exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force) |
| 01:41.10 | rockets | is it safe to use -f |
| 01:41.14 | rockets | i dont want to run an nfs server |
| 01:41.57 | jelly-home | rockets: it is safe in this case. |
| 01:42.16 | rockets | When would it not be safe |
| 01:42.19 | jelly-home | rockets: why not just remove the nfs related packages instead? |
| 01:42.22 | Guerin | in some other cases |
| 01:42.29 | rockets | lol |
| 01:42.38 | rockets | jelly-home, because i want the ABILITY to run one |
| 01:42.44 | Guerin | your drive to learn is laudable, but at some point you just need to RTFM :) |
| 01:42.45 | rockets | this is a laptop |
| 01:42.46 | jelly-home | rockets: so install it later |
| 01:43.10 | rockets | jelly-home, nah thing is you never know when you'll need it. never know when youll need it and NOT have internet access |
| 01:43.11 | rockets | who knows |
| 01:43.29 | Guerin | yep, in that case installing and not running it is the plan |
| 01:43.38 | rockets | exactley |
| 01:43.47 | rockets | i also keep ftp and ssh installed, but stopped |
| 01:43.48 | rockets | just in case/. |
| 01:43.57 | jelly-home | rockets: there's also nfs-kernel-server and portmap |
| 01:44.29 | rockets | jelly-home, yeah i already learned about portmap |
| 01:44.34 | rockets | i was trying to secure my box |
| 01:44.37 | rockets | so i nmapped myself |
| 01:44.46 | rockets | and said |
| 01:44.52 | rockets | wtf, why do i need port 111 open for RPC calls |
| 01:45.00 | abrotman | rockets: which OS is this ? |
| 01:45.03 | jelly-home | rockets: if you already disabled portmap, nfs won't run anyway |
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| 01:45.18 | rockets | and then i did netstat -anp |
| 01:45.23 | rockets | and found portmap |
| 01:45.46 | abrotman | rockets: is this debian or ubuntu ? |
| 01:45.47 | rockets | This is ubuntu. Yes I know, the topic says THIS IS NOT #UBUNTU. but the fact is i find the people in this room to be more knowledgeable |
| 01:46.15 | rockets | modularity? |
| 01:46.28 | abrotman | rockets: so run debian .. otherwise go ask #ubuntu |
| 01:46.36 | rockets | gee thanks. |
| 01:46.36 | jelly-home | rockets: they do pretty much the same thing |
| 01:46.40 | rockets | cuz the commands are so different abrotman |
| 01:47.07 | abrotman | rockets: it doesn't matter .. |
| 01:47.11 | Guerin | grraah |
| 01:47.16 | abrotman | rockets: rpm commands also work on debian .. what's your point ? |
| 01:47.20 | Guerin | !irritate rockets |
| 01:47.20 | dpkg | rockets: Y iz debain so old? who uses cable hello? |
| 01:47.28 | rockets | lol |
| 01:47.36 | rockets | hahaha |
| 01:47.45 | rockets | thats great. |
| 01:47.52 | rockets | i wonder if ubotu has an !irritate |
| 01:48.05 | rockets | Nope |
| 01:48.10 | Guerin | no, because the ubuntu ops are fucking puritans |
| 01:48.30 | jelly-home | Guerin: what do their sexual activities have to do with it? |
| 01:48.37 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: ? |
| 01:48.56 | Guerin | jelly-home: `puritan' describes a mindset. |
| 01:49.16 | abrotman | jelly-home: puritan laws |
| 01:49.24 | jelly-home | Guerin: yes, but you said the ops are fucking the puritans |
| 01:49.31 | Guerin | oh. heh. |
| 01:49.40 | Guerin | once again, I've been outsmarted by jelly. |
| 01:49.49 | jelly-home | my work here is done. |
| 01:49.50 | rockets | lol |
| 01:50.06 | Guerin | next my beer will challenge me to a battle of wits, and win |
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| 01:53.08 | rockets | GUYZ CAN YOU HELP ME WITH T3H UBUNTUZ!? |
| 01:53.17 | rockets | Sorry, couldn't resisit. |
| 01:53.21 | rockets | resist* |
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| 02:00.31 | JeffH | Anyone know what the ~/Maildir/new directory is for? I would have guessed unread e-mail.. but I have unread e-mails in my box but there's nothing in that directory. |
| 02:00.46 | Guerin | jelly-home: read the maildor spec |
| 02:00.50 | Guerin | JeffH: you too |
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| 02:08.34 | triplc | hi all |
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| 02:10.10 | triplc | How to setup ntpd server to accept ntpdate request from client? I apt-get install ntp, then open port UDP123, but when I run "ntpd <serverip>" it says: 28 Jul 09:06:49 ntpdate[3284]: no server suitable for synchronization found28 Jul 09:06:49 ntpdate[3284]: no server suitable for synchronization found28 Jul 09:06:49 ntpdate[3284]: no server suitable for synchronization found28 Jul 09:06:49 ntpdate[3284]: no server suitable for synchronization found28 Jul 0 |
| 02:10.10 | triplc | 9:06:49 ntpdate[3284]: no server suitable for synchronization found28 Jul 09:06:49 ntpdate[3284]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
| 02:10.20 | triplc | sorry |
| 02:10.27 | triplc | let me retype |
| 02:10.41 | triplc | How to setup ntpd server to accept ntpdate request from client? I apt-get install ntp, then open port UDP123, but when I run "ntpd <serverip>" it says: 28 Jul 09:06:49 ntpdate[3284]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
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| 02:11.44 | triplc | When I run "ntpdate <serverip>" from another computer as a client, it says: 28 Jul 09:06:49 ntpdate[3284]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
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| 02:30.59 | Patrick2 | In bash how can I append a string to an environment var without needing a colon ? e.g. VAR=foo; VAR=$VAR:bar works, but I get echo $VAR = foo:bar. How can I avoid a colon ? (Note that VAR=$VARbar obviously doesn't work ;-) |
| 02:32.24 | abrotman | ask #bash |
| 02:32.53 | Patrick2 | abrotman: Cheers - good idea ;-) |
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| 02:36.21 | dondelelcaro | Patrick2: you want VAR="${VAR}bar" |
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| 02:40.36 | akos | hello everyone! I have the following problem: I have a router, so I have DHCP dynamic IP's on my home network. nslookup does not work on the lan, hostnames don't get resolved to private IP's... what can I do? |
| 02:41.34 | dondelelcaro | akos: do you have a dns server? Do you have dynamic dns set up? are your machines using the dynamic dns server to resolve hostnames? |
| 02:42.07 | Patrick2 | dondelelcaro: Thanks! |
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| 02:43.02 | wlnet | what package do i need to install to use epson printer? |
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| 02:43.33 | dondelelcaro | wlnet: cupsys should work in most cases |
| 02:44.20 | wlnet | dondelelcaro, that would be great, thks. btw, i am talking about those all-in-one, no problem ? |
| 02:44.34 | akos | dondelelcaro, i don't have a dns server |
| 02:44.47 | akos | dondelelcaro, they are just computer names, not hostnames |
| 02:44.48 | dondelelcaro | wlnet: well, probably no problem. |
| 02:45.04 | dondelelcaro | akos: there's no difference |
| 02:45.29 | akos | dondelelcaro, that's what I said to the ubuntu guys, but they said i was wrong |
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| 02:45.42 | akos | they said this is wins/netbios stuff |
| 02:45.43 | wlnet | dondelelcaro, the only way is to try out one :). cx2900 is the model i am going to buy. |
| 02:46.06 | dondelelcaro | akos: well, there is a difference when it gets to WINS/netbios, but in the context of host/ping et al, you're talking about hostnames |
| 02:46.41 | akos | hmm... wel i just want hos/ping :P |
| 02:46.52 | akos | windows does it without a nameserver running... |
| 02:47.15 | abrotman | akos: windows uses netbios to advertise |
| 02:47.47 | akos | then how can i set up linux to advertise? |
| 02:47.57 | dondelelcaro | wlnet: yeah, I've personally been using a new samsung: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828112048 |
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| 02:48.16 | abrotman | akos: you'd install samba |
| 02:48.21 | H2OyJaBoN | hi! |
| 02:48.27 | akos | msg dpkg paster frfrfreferfe |
| 02:48.57 | akos | abrotman, i have samba installed |
| 02:49.31 | abrotman | akos: is nmbd running ? |
| 02:50.13 | akos | well right now the other computer is shut down... and i can't start it caz my dad is sleeping |
| 02:50.26 | akos | i just wanted to know how it should be done theoretically |
| 02:50.45 | abrotman | if nmbd is running .. and there's no firewall .. should just work |
| 02:50.54 | akos | so after i set it up to advertise... what do i need to do on the other compute? install samba there too? |
| 02:51.18 | abrotman | are they both linux boxes ? |
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| 03:00.18 | project9 | i am planning for mail server where my all emploies mail will land on server and then i should able to distibute to thier mail id ----is it possible |
| 03:00.26 | project9 | using postfix |
| 03:01.14 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 03:01.34 | abrotman | you want project9@yourserver.com to go in your mailbox ? |
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| 03:02.20 | project9 | first all mail should come to my comman server then i will send mail to thier id |
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| 03:03.13 | Olgem | I'm a n00b, I wrote over /etc/apt/sources, where can I find the default repositories for debian etch i386, apt-get.org only lists extra ones |
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| 03:04.22 | Olgem | or, how do I ask dpkg about them |
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| 03:06.47 | abrotman | !sources.list |
| 03:06.47 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 03:08.01 | Olgem | thanks |
| 03:08.33 | rockets | Is there a compelling reason to use aptitude install or aptitude update, etc, rather then apt-get install, apt-get update |
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| 03:10.08 | abrotman | did you install Debian on your box yet? |
| 03:14.13 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: do you know with the current GR if there's a list of things they won't be allowed to do? |
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| 03:16.17 | triplc | hi all |
| 03:16.20 | Supaplex | hi |
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| 03:17.34 | abrotman | windows keys! |
| 03:17.40 | Gnu_Raiz | buffer override not enough memory |
| 03:18.01 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: all they'll be able to do is upload packages which they are listed as a Maintainer: or Uploader: and have been previously uploaded by a DD |
| 03:18.43 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: also get shell accounts i gather .. |
| 03:19.16 | abrotman | i guess that's it |
| 03:19.21 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: nope |
| 03:19.36 | triplc | How to shoot the error "server dropped: strata too high"? I've installed a ntpd server in Debian Etch. But when I use ntpdate in the PC to get time from that server, it does not work. When I run "ntpdate -d <serverip>" it says "strata too high". How should I do to the server to get rid of that? I already use the ntpdate on the server to make sure the clock of the server is accurate. I check Google, but cannot find relevant solution. Some say that just wait |
| 03:19.36 | triplc | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.39 | abrotman | wouldn't agreeing to machine usage policies imply that? |
| 03:19.48 | abrotman | triplc: try pool.ntp.org |
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| 03:20.12 | abrotman | i guess it doesn't |
| 03:20.15 | triplc | abrotman, i already use pool.ntp.org as the time source |
| 03:20.47 | Gnu_Raiz | use chrony instead. |
| 03:20.54 | triplc | abrotman, but I want to set a local time server, so that local PCs will sync with it |
| 03:21.08 | triplc | not every PC go to pool.ntp.org |
| 03:21.15 | abrotman | right |
| 03:21.20 | asg | triplc: you may need to fudge a lower stratum number. Are the PCs all running Debian? |
| 03:21.34 | abrotman | asg: shouldn't you be sleeping?! |
| 03:21.44 | asg | abrotman: should be but I'm still getting over jet lag |
| 03:21.48 | triplc | PCs are mostly Windoze... but I am testing with a Debian PC |
| 03:21.50 | abrotman | asg: more ber! |
| 03:21.54 | abrotman | beer too |
| 03:22.19 | asg | triplc: iirc, Windows fixed their NTP implementation which requires a lower stratum number than Debian's default. |
| 03:22.26 | asg | abrotman: of course |
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| 03:22.47 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:23.36 | triplc | asg, i undertand what you mean is that I need to change the debian default to a different stratum num? |
| 03:23.53 | triplc | asg, how can i do it? |
| 03:24.05 | asg | triplc: yes. I think the default is 13 but if you change it to 10 (as suggested in the comments) that should do the trick. |
| 03:24.28 | asg | triplc: check /etc/ntp.conf and the comments for the 'fudge' keyword. Better documentation is in the ntp-doc package. |
| 03:25.07 | asg | abrotman: we never did either but a recent Windows 2003 update fixed their non-standard implementation requiring us to fudge the value. |
| 03:25.16 | triplc | ok, looking for it |
| 03:25.21 | abrotman | man ntp.conf is roughly "HA! .. look we put a man page here!" |
| 03:25.41 | asg | abrotman: it does point one to the ntp-doc package though :) |
| 03:25.46 | abrotman | asg: hrm .. we don't have any 2k3 boxes left |
| 03:25.55 | abrotman | asg: it does |
| 03:26.10 | asg | !do dallas |
| 03:27.29 | abrotman | asg: no more cheesy porn for you! |
| 03:27.51 | asg | abrotman: awwww |
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| 03:54.44 | stew | !flw |
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| 03:55.15 | stew | !qotd |
| 03:55.15 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". |
| 03:55.35 | stew | how do i used bots? |
| 03:55.37 | krazykit | !qotd0 |
| 03:55.38 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd92 is <bobesponja> I'm running sid, not debian |
| 03:56.20 | krazykit | not as good as the one where the person thinks linux-image is an image processing program |
| 04:02.40 | loupgaroublond | linux-image just processes somevery funny 'images' |
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| 04:07.20 | rarj | Im about to install Debian on my laptop. How do I upgrade from Woody to Etch ? |
| 04:07.36 | epsilon | wow, huge upgrade |
| 04:07.59 | rarj | My Internet connection is very slow and I only have the Woody dist at hand. |
| 04:08.03 | epsilon | add etch in /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, pray |
| 04:08.07 | krazykit | rarj, ideally from woody to sarge then sarge to etch |
| 04:08.24 | krazykit | you really shouldn't skip a stable release |
| 04:08.53 | rarj | krazykit: Is there any particular reason why we shouldnt skip a release ? |
| 04:09.00 | epsilon | and depend on your config, freash install may be better |
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| 04:09.18 | rarj | epsilon: Ok. |
| 04:09.20 | krazykit | rarj, probably breakage. i've seen it suggested that you not skip them. lemme see if there's a factoid |
| 04:09.33 | rarj | krazykit: Thanks :) |
| 04:09.38 | krazykit | !tell rarj about woody->etch |
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| 04:10.54 | rarj | krazykit: Ok. Got it. Thanks a lot. |
| 04:11.03 | rarj | :) |
| 04:12.13 | krazykit | yep |
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| 04:22.07 | acu | is Firefox quiting often and unexpectedly on other platforms than Debian ? |
| 04:24.27 | acu | is there anybody out there ? |
| 04:24.44 | krazykit | !patience |
| 04:24.45 | dpkg | patience is probably a virtue. Please wait here on the channel for answers to appear. That may take some time depending on how much time people need to look up things for you. It probably does not help to repeat your question too soon. |
| 04:25.14 | krazykit | and firefox is wildly unstable, especially if you use the flash and java plugins. |
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| 04:25.25 | acu | krazikit: patientce is designed for immortals :) |
| 04:26.55 | krazykit | acu, and tab completion of nicks for the lazy >_> |
| 04:26.59 | Guerin | ONLY if you use flash and java plugins |
| 04:27.12 | Guerin | and stupid extensions by morons |
| 04:27.20 | krazykit | Guerin, i've had problems with it without the plugins, though |
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| 04:27.41 | Guerin | krazykit: you are an exception |
| 04:28.07 | acu | ebay shuts my iceweasel anoyingly often - I know they use javascripts |
| 04:28.21 | Guerin | the vast bulk of firefox problems are caused by injudicious use of addons and plugins |
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| 04:34.25 | Guerin | even when he's wrong |
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| 04:36.58 | level1 | Hi guys, I've been having some real weird trouble with my keyboard... I think the problem might be scim. I'd just remove (apt-get remove) it, but I did that in ubuntu and basically broke everything. Is there a safe way to remove scim? |
| 04:37.54 | Supaplex | !+info scim etch |
| 04:37.56 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 04:37.59 | dpkg | scim: (smart common input method platform), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.4.4-7 (etch), Packaged size: 829 kB, Installed size: 1932 kB |
| 04:38.07 | level1 | the problem is that the keyboard just becomes completely unresponsive. I can't switch to a vt... I didn't try alt-ctrl-backspace, but nothing works |
| 04:38.32 | level1 | like, I can't type anything. But I can navigate with my mouse. btw, a on screen keyboard didn't work either |
| 04:38.32 | Supaplex | how's it work after reboot? |
| 04:38.37 | Guerin | level1: section utils, is optional <- should be safe to remove it |
| 04:38.43 | level1 | Supaplex: well, I didn't reboot |
| 04:38.46 | Guerin | failing anything else you can always reinstall it |
| 04:38.52 | level1 | Guerin: maybe I take the chance... |
| 04:39.02 | Guerin | !bless level1 |
| 04:39.02 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child level1, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 04:39.32 | Supaplex | use at to reboot in 5 min if you can't regain control :) |
| 04:40.00 | level1 | Supaplex: I opened ksysgaurd and killed scim... which killed a lot of programs, but kde didn't crash and now I seem to be okay |
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| 04:40.14 | Guerin | huzzah |
| 04:40.15 | Supaplex | cool |
| 04:40.32 | Guerin | killing things is usually unwise |
| 04:40.40 | Guerin | but y0ou should consider filing a bug against scim |
| 04:40.57 | level1 | Guerin: yeah, rebooting without saving my stuff is some much smarter |
| 04:41.06 | level1 | s/some/soo |
| 04:41.27 | Guerin | level1: *usually*, but evidently not in this case. |
| 04:41.59 | level1 | Guerin: well I hope I have your foresight next time :> |
| 04:42.01 | level1 | :P |
| 04:42.51 | level1 | its funny that scim is not a dependency of skim... |
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| 04:48.49 | level1 | well, hopefully that will hold... anyway, I've been having some trouble with encfs (a program that encrypts filesystems) |
| 04:49.12 | level1 | encfs won't run as a user, even though I'm part of the fuse group. |
| 04:49.26 | level1 | and if I run encfs as root, I can't seem to get access as a user |
| 04:49.34 | level1 | to the file that is |
| 04:49.41 | level1 | even if I modify the permissions |
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| 04:51.22 | level1 | fusermount: mount failed: Operation not permitted |
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| 04:51.29 | level1 | that means I don't have permissions, right? |
| 04:51.48 | Guerin | yes |
| 04:51.56 | iruew | I somehow erased my /var partition. What's the easiest way to create a new one in Debian? |
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| 04:52.27 | Guerin | !lost var |
| 04:52.27 | dpkg | methinks lost var is so you nuked /var? never fear, 'tis but a flesh wound! See http://linux.sys-con.com/read/32607.htm?CFID=133431 |
| 04:52.28 | level1 | Guerin: is that the only thing it could mean? because I run fusermount with no arguments as a user, and its says "fusermount: missing mountpoint argument" |
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| 04:52.33 | Guerin | iruew: ↑ |
| 04:52.54 | Guerin | level1: i'm not familiar enough with fuser to know. I know I get that using sshfs without proper perms. |
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| 04:53.16 | iruew | Guerin, thanks for the link |
| 04:53.29 | Guerin | iruew: good luck. |
| 04:53.40 | seanp2k | does iceweasel have a crash log or something? I open it and it shows up for 1/10th of a second then goes away |
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| 04:54.14 | Guerin | seanp2k: not as far as I know. the first thing to do when this happens is move your .mozilla/firefox dir away |
| 04:54.31 | level1 | seanp2k: try running it in command lineness? |
| 04:54.45 | seanp2k | Guerin: that was my next step. The last thing i did was install JRE |
| 04:54.50 | Guerin | haha |
| 04:54.58 | Guerin | well, there's the problem right there |
| 04:55.09 | seanp2k | yes, i was thinking that |
| 04:55.12 | seanp2k | i hate java so much |
| 04:55.14 | level1 | Java's not that bad |
| 04:55.24 | Guerin | it's not as bad as flash |
| 04:55.27 | seanp2k | the coffee cup is so you can get a cup of joe while it loads |
| 04:55.39 | seanp2k | python can use CGI... |
| 04:55.47 | seanp2k | php works... |
| 04:55.53 | Guerin | fsvo `works' |
| 04:55.57 | seanp2k | java for apps is just lazyness / bad |
| 04:56.04 | level1 | I program in java, so I'm a bit of a partisan... |
| 04:56.11 | seanp2k | i'm not biased 8) |
| 04:56.13 | level1 | god damn you flash! |
| 04:56.20 | seanp2k | actionscript isn't all that bad |
| 04:56.29 | seanp2k | flash is closed source so that kind of sucks |
| 04:56.48 | Guerin | that's really everything wrong with flash in a nutshell |
| 04:57.01 | Guerin | change that and in a very short space of time it will stop being shit |
| 04:57.02 | seanp2k | but really, what is there that directly competes with flash? |
| 04:57.22 | level1 | java was too until recently... if it had open sourced sooner, it might have made a difference, but now it looks its going to be forgotten |
| 04:57.30 | level1 | nobody really likes it, nobody |
| 04:57.33 | level1 | tear |
| 04:57.42 | seanp2k | what has smooth vector graphics while being small and still having a powerful scripting language? |
| 04:57.47 | Guerin | seanp2k: nothing, because the only credible competitor was Adbove SVG, which was proprietary, andf then adobe just bought macromedia |
| 04:58.03 | seanp2k | i don't feel bad about adobe buying them |
| 04:58.12 | seanp2k | adobe makes quality stuff |
| 04:58.17 | Guerin | i feel bad about adobe buying *anything* |
| 04:58.26 | Guerin | they're well on their way to being another evil monopolist |
| 04:58.26 | level1 | java can probably do a lot in swing... it even have OpenGL now |
| 04:58.36 | jetscreamer | die macrodobe die |
| 04:58.42 | Guerin | but yes, they do make quality gear |
| 04:58.46 | level1 | pdf is cool, but their view sucks... why is that? |
| 04:58.54 | level1 | s/veiw/viewer |
| 04:58.55 | seanp2k | macromedia was good software...freehand was alright. illustrator was better |
| 04:58.59 | Guerin | level1: because they're evil bastards. |
| 04:59.11 | seanp2k | level1: there are many good PDF viewers out there |
| 04:59.16 | Guerin | seanp2k: freehand and illustrator weren't directly compatible |
| 04:59.21 | Guerin | err, comparable |
| 04:59.29 | level1 | seanp2k: yes, but none of them are adobe's pdf viewer |
| 04:59.45 | seanp2k | what happened to corel painter? |
| 04:59.49 | seanp2k | no love for corel? |
| 04:59.53 | jetscreamer | so should one reboot for updated libc6 or what |
| 04:59.59 | Guerin | jetscreamer: never! |
| 05:00.04 | Guerin | !reboot |
| 05:00.04 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
| 05:00.09 | seanp2k | INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: Could not get the plugin manager /n/ System error?:: Success |
| 05:00.16 | Guerin | seanp2k: awesome |
| 05:01.00 | seanp2k | jetscreamer: reboots and antivirus are windows things. |
| 05:01.11 | Guerin | seanp2k: use gcj-webplugin ;) |
| 05:01.12 | level1 | Guerin: didn't you suggest a few minutes ago that I should have rebooted rather than killing scim? |
| 05:01.21 | Guerin | level1: absolutely not. |
| 05:01.22 | level1 | at yet, you say !reboot |
| 05:01.27 | seanp2k | SYSTEM ERROR??? INDEED! |
| 05:01.31 | jetscreamer | it's libc6 so i thought i'd ask |
| 05:01.54 | level1 | how do I see the permissions of a file? |
| 05:01.56 | Guerin | jetscreamer: nah, the linker is good at swapping out on the fly |
| 05:02.00 | Guerin | level1: ls -l |
| 05:02.08 | seanp2k | step 1: System error? step 2: Sucess! step 3: ???? step 4: Profit! |
| 05:02.33 | Guerin | seanp2k: error messages should be comedised. |
| 05:02.33 | level1 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root fuse 18436 2007-05-13 04:23 /usr/bin/fusermount <- how is that possible?!? |
| 05:02.48 | Guerin | level1: how is it unpossible? |
| 05:02.55 | jetscreamer | what do you mean how is it possible |
| 05:03.06 | Guerin | looks quite ordinary to me |
| 05:03.21 | seanp2k | looks like it's 755? |
| 05:03.24 | jetscreamer | or do you mean how do you set files like that |
| 05:03.31 | jetscreamer | chmod |
| 05:03.32 | level1 | Guerin, jetscreamer, well, I can't run encfs... when I do, it complains with the line "fusermount: mount failed: Operation not permitted" |
| 05:03.45 | level1 | but I obviously have permissions to executed fusermount |
| 05:03.48 | seanp2k | sudo? |
| 05:03.51 | level1 | what permissions do I need |
| 05:03.54 | Guerin | level1: *mount* failed - you can *rtun* the program, it just won't let you do that action. |
| 05:03.57 | jetscreamer | it's the mounting not the fusing |
| 05:04.13 | Guerin | run, not rtun |
| 05:04.25 | Guerin | stupifd fiongers |
| 05:04.39 | level1 | seanp2k: the problem is that if I run it as root, the filesystem it creates is root and for some reason i can't access it as user, even with modified permission |
| 05:04.51 | seanp2k | chown? |
| 05:04.52 | level1 | Guerin: futurama? |
| 05:05.02 | level1 | Guerin: let me ax you something... |
| 05:05.03 | Guerin | level1: did you log out and back in after adding yourself to fuse group? |
| 05:05.04 | jetscreamer | chown, or man mount is more like it |
| 05:05.15 | level1 | Guerin: yeah |
| 05:05.16 | Guerin | level1: can't stand futurama. |
| 05:05.30 | level1 | why not? it hilarious? |
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| 05:05.36 | seanp2k | Guerin: it's good until you realize it's not funny or amusing |
| 05:05.47 | seanp2k | familyguy is way better |
| 05:05.52 | level1 | oh god |
| 05:05.52 | Guerin | i suppose I just don't get it. I also hate science fiction, for what thet's worth. |
| 05:05.58 | Guerin | family guy is indeed way better |
| 05:06.00 | jetscreamer | !lart guerin |
| 05:06.07 | jetscreamer | !be a scifi barbie |
| 05:06.07 | dpkg | Aww, scifi is HARD! Let's go shopping, jetscreamer |
| 05:06.10 | seanp2k | familyguy is it's unix name...no spaces, no caps. |
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| 05:06.48 | Guerin | samurai jack ... invader zim ... they're my kind of toon |
| 05:06.51 | jetscreamer | this is the fattest stem i have ever seen in my life |
| 05:06.55 | level1 | seanp2k: so in java its FamilyGuy? and in windows it FGuyConfig.wpx? |
| 05:07.29 | jetscreamer | a serious tree branch |
| 05:07.56 | seanp2k | level1: vb is FamilyGuy.watch() |
| 05:08.37 | level1 | seanp2k: assembly: OUT 0x002, [family] |
| 05:08.37 | jetscreamer | vb is for ev,re-bah-dee |
| 05:08.43 | jetscreamer | not just for a few |
| 05:08.57 | seanp2k | level1: dim mshwFamGuy as show |
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| 05:09.09 | jetscreamer | who recognizes that 70's psa commercial |
| 05:09.34 | level1 | jetscreamer: I have a freind who was joking about how vb would notify you about errors... he'd say "Thank you Visual Basic!" and give a thumbs up. |
| 05:09.56 | seanp2k | i've been dabbling about in python as of late |
| 05:10.07 | Guerin | http://bash.org/?777323 |
| 05:10.09 | seanp2k | i want to learn perl or c or something but IDK |
| 05:10.19 | jetscreamer | /join #perl |
| 05:10.27 | level1 | I don't like perl |
| 05:10.33 | seanp2k | i don't know enough about perl to make a decision about it |
| 05:10.48 | jetscreamer | /join #perl |
| 05:10.50 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 05:11.10 | seanp2k | /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so <- A CHALLENGER APPROACHES |
| 05:11.31 | jetscreamer | there was some factoid about where to cp the plugins to |
| 05:11.53 | seanp2k | in java's case, that would be the trash. |
| 05:12.10 | level1 | like, every varible can be a scalar, array or hash. If the computer thinks it a scalar, you have to tell it its a array or hash... and *how* you tell it that isn't well defined... its different in every situation. |
| 05:12.26 | level1 | in perl |
| 05:12.29 | level1 | in java, its simple |
| 05:12.43 | jetscreamer | java is slow |
| 05:12.44 | revhippie | "isn't well defined"? |
| 05:12.46 | seanp2k | level1: i was reading in a book about that and that was not relevant to my interests so I picked up the python book |
| 05:12.47 | level1 | if it isn't what it is (make it)what it is |
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| 05:13.05 | seanp2k | python is k-e-w-l because you don't have to declare variables |
| 05:13.15 | seanp2k | and i like how it handles lists and listlike thingies |
| 05:13.17 | level1 | (String)myObject <- screw you java |
| 05:13.40 | Guerin | !kewl |
| 05:13.40 | dpkg | from memory, kewl is not cool. kewl is what people who are not cool think is cool. |
| 05:13.48 | n0mad | is it save to remove some dead symlinks in /etc/alternatives ? |
| 05:13.56 | Guerin | n0mad: yes. |
| 05:14.01 | seanp2k | x=y=z= ['bewbs', 'boobs', '2ofthem', 2] |
| 05:14.03 | level1 | seanp2k: yeah, because, you know, not declaring variables makes your code so stable... :P |
| 05:14.16 | Guerin | !irritate seanp2k |
| 05:14.17 | dpkg | seanp2k: HELP ME!!! where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol !!!! |
| 05:14.20 | seanp2k | level1: that's why it's KEWL! |
| 05:14.32 | level1 | !kool |
| 05:14.32 | dpkg | it's spelt COOL! |
| 05:14.41 | jetscreamer | WTF wtf is synaptic doing on my computer i never installed it explicitly |
| 05:14.42 | seanp2k | !KEWL |
| 05:14.42 | dpkg | [kewl] not cool. kewl is what people who are not cool think is cool. |
| 05:14.42 | level1 | !kool desktop environment |
| 05:15.03 | seanp2k | !compiz |grep doesn't work well with ATI |
| 05:15.08 | seanp2k | damn. |
| 05:15.15 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 05:15.21 | level1 | jetscreamer: watch out, they'll start putting clippy in openoffice |
| 05:15.21 | trollplonk | DON'T TOUCH THE HAMSTERS!!!!!! |
| 05:15.35 | seanp2k | level1: you mean SUNNY?!?! |
| 05:15.44 | trollplonk | hi :) |
| 05:15.47 | jetscreamer | i hate oo and i hate the stupid ms animation characters |
| 05:16.08 | seanp2k | omg, they should make sunny. a little sunshine that lights your way into document creational bliss |
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| 05:16.52 | seanp2k | wow, got rid of java, now icemonkeyballsack works again |
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| 05:17.06 | level1 | I want that pic of someone scripting in vi and seeing clippy "I see your programming. Would you like help?" Oh dear god! |
| 05:17.14 | jetscreamer | you're |
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| 05:18.12 | seanp2k | and in openoffice, Sunny could have XEyes. |
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| 05:18.16 | level1 | how do I get sunny to appear in open office? |
| 05:18.33 | seanp2k | i didn't make a fork of OO supporting him..........yet. |
| 05:18.34 | jetscreamer | ah... why does sudo ask for MY password (user) |
| 05:18.50 | sineer | Hi! Could someone point me to doc about how to repartition a usb 2.0 sata hd (through usb) so that I can get rid of ntfs... should I just boot partition magic and keep ntfs? What happen if I keep nfs and 1 or 2 fat32 partitions?. links any to relevant info plz :) |
| 05:18.50 | seanp2k | jetscreamer: because the point of sudo is not to disclose the root password |
| 05:19.05 | jetscreamer | not root's password, it wanted MY pw |
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| 05:19.20 | level1 | jetscreamer: yeah, thats the point |
| 05:19.20 | seanp2k | jetscreamer: exactly. so you don't have to USE the root password |
| 05:19.31 | seanp2k | jetscreamer: SU = bad news |
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| 05:19.37 | sineer | I guess an how to install/boot linux on usb 2.0 hd how to would answer my questions... anyone knows one of these? |
| 05:20.03 | jetscreamer | i just set nopassword=all |
| 05:20.05 | seanp2k | sineer: try gedit? I think it supports external drives |
| 05:20.07 | level1 | sineer: I been trying to do that for a while... the hard part seems to be getting the thing bootable |
| 05:20.15 | jetscreamer | for my user |
| 05:20.33 | seanp2k | sineer: not gedit....gParted |
| 05:20.40 | trollplonk | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.44 | trollplonk | damn |
| 05:20.44 | seanp2k | sineer: 1sec i will get you linkz |
| 05:20.47 | sineer | level1, I had plenty of success at work using dumb CF readers and CF cards... |
| 05:21.06 | level1 | sineer: really? I don't think my bios supports that |
| 05:21.12 | sineer | seanp2k, no need.. The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 05:21.12 | sineer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.13 | jetscreamer | how is that funny |
| 05:21.15 | level1 | !VRMS |
| 05:21.15 | dpkg | i guess vrms is The Virtual Richard M. Stallman for Debian GNU/Linux, now included with every fresh potato! Good for sniffing out those pesky non-free software... apt-get install vrms, or now more accurate than the real rms in some situations such as gdb-doc and emacs21-doc :) |
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| 05:21.37 | sineer | level1, yeah its all about your bios |
| 05:21.53 | sineer | some SBCs would refuse to boot the CF |
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| 05:22.18 | level1 | vrms is more accurate than the real rms, eh? |
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| 05:22.56 | level1 | sineer: my bios doesn't even have the option... its a laptop with a card reader, and the bios supports cds and usb drives, but whatever |
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| 05:23.29 | level1 | http://www.thatwasfunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/gnuclippy.gif |
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| 05:23.50 | sineer | seanp2k, gparted looks neat... It let me delete the partition but I can't select FAT32 of NTFS.. just ext2/xfs/jfs/... |
| 05:23.59 | sineer | any clue why? |
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| 05:25.15 | seanp2k | sineer: you tried it already? |
| 05:25.19 | Guerin | sineer: you don't have the correct filesystem packages installed? |
| 05:25.39 | seanp2k | sineer: gParted is the liveCD and it should have support for creating filesystems like NTFS |
| 05:25.41 | jetscreamer | sineer: just make an empty partition and use cfdisk after perhaps |
| 05:25.57 | seanp2k | sineer: my debian etch install has fdisk and you could use that |
| 05:26.22 | seanp2k | sineer: http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/manual/html_mono/parted.html#SEC28 |
| 05:26.32 | seanp2k | that will explain how to set a partition's boot flag to true |
| 05:27.22 | sineer | allright :) thanks.. more than I wanted to know hehe.. I 'll try to delete NTFS partition with gparted and try cfdisk to create a FAT32 part. |
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| 05:27.58 | seanp2k | sineer: gParted liveCD should be able to do it |
| 05:27.59 | endra | hey |
| 05:28.04 | endra | how can I make the font bigger in 'less' |
| 05:28.16 | seanp2k | sineer: worst case you will have to boot windows and run chkdsk |
| 05:28.35 | seanp2k | if gparted fails or something |
| 05:28.51 | jetscreamer | gparted borked my box |
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| 05:29.04 | jetscreamer | (partitions) |
| 05:29.05 | sineer | seanp2k, arr.. why would I need a live CD to create a FAT partition? I don't care about MBR right now, I just want a juge FAT32 part. to write data to but fdisk gives me this error when I try to delete+add a new part: Warning: partition 1 has empty type |
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| 05:29.21 | jetscreamer | set the type |
| 05:29.22 | jetscreamer | doh |
| 05:29.27 | sineer | and the part Start and End at 1 |
| 05:29.30 | jetscreamer | youwant 0c iirc |
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| 05:29.36 | jetscreamer | use cfdisk |
| 05:29.39 | jetscreamer | easier |
| 05:29.48 | Dinocrisis | hi |
| 05:30.21 | Dinocrisis | My headphone in alsamixer don't enable. It's volume is 0 e don't change:-( |
| 05:34.59 | seanp2k | k so why are tons of the packages in debian really old software? |
| 05:35.25 | streuner | old? |
| 05:35.36 | streuner | !etch |
| 05:35.36 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of debian stable |
| 05:35.45 | seanp2k | aircrack-ng, glade, other stuff |
| 05:35.51 | jetscreamer | my god wtf is up with this upgrade.. it wasn't very big, but it's taking forever to install |
| 05:35.58 | petemc | seanp2k: its impossible to guarantee the stability of new software |
| 05:36.11 | streuner | seanp2k: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 05:36.51 | seanp2k | i have etch |
| 05:37.13 | streuner | well, etch is 3 month "old" |
| 05:37.22 | seanp2k | is there a newer stable |
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| 05:37.31 | streuner | if you call a 3 month old baby old, i dunno then |
| 05:37.54 | seanp2k | i'm just saying some packages I have came across are really dated versions |
| 05:37.55 | streuner | no, if you want stable software just go with etch |
| 05:38.02 | K`zan | Can someone see what is wrong with this line from /etc/fstab that would cause it not to be mounted: /dev/sda6 /home reiserfs defaults 0 2 |
| 05:38.05 | K`zan | Thanks MUCH! |
| 05:38.16 | seanp2k | anjuta had a quite older version as well |
| 05:38.17 | Supaplex | there's testing - but it's not always stable. |
| 05:38.37 | Guerin | K`zan: reiserfs |
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| 05:39.30 | K`zan | Guerin, Anything I can do other than - oops, I think I converted that to ext3, lemme check - dumping ubuntu for deb4. |
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| 05:40.10 | seanp2k | K`zan: dumping ubuntu for anything other than linspire or mepis is good news |
| 05:40.33 | K`zan | Guerin, Sorry to be a pest I converted it to ext3 and forgot in the install fest here :-). Thanks again! |
| 05:40.49 | streuner | seanp2k: why do you think you need a newer version? |
| 05:42.01 | seanp2k | streuner: example: ardour (DAW software) synaptic version: 0.99 current version: 2.0.3 |
| 05:42.33 | streuner | that didn't answer the question |
| 05:43.20 | seanp2k | streuner: would you run windows 98 because it's more stable than vista? |
| 05:43.26 | seanp2k | streuner: don't answer that |
| 05:43.34 | seanp2k | no one in their right mind would choose vista |
| 05:43.36 | streuner | "I have problems with and newer version should be able to solve that..." that would be an answer |
| 05:43.47 | streuner | i do run 98 |
| 05:43.52 | streuner | for games |
| 05:43.55 | seanp2k | \ |
| 05:44.06 | streuner | less RAM vs. vista |
| 05:44.08 | seanp2k | that is a frowny face in a dark room |
| 05:44.15 | seanp2k | XP is fine |
| 05:44.29 | seanp2k | does .net frameworks even run on 98? |
| 05:44.37 | seanp2k | or the newest directX? |
| 05:44.38 | streuner | so back to Linux |
| 05:44.44 | seanp2k | i thought you needed 2000 or better |
| 05:45.33 | seanp2k | anyways, what qualifies a package to be in synaptic that lots of "newer" (the readme from ardour says june 2003) packages fail to meet? |
| 05:46.12 | Guerin | the bigger question is, who cares? |
| 05:46.29 | seanp2k | well, synaptic and apt-get are nice |
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| 05:46.44 | seanp2k | i'd rather use them then build a current package from source |
| 05:46.52 | seanp2k | and hunt down the dependencies in synaptic |
| 05:47.02 | seanp2k | which turn out to be too old to compile said package anyway |
| 05:47.03 | Guerin | aptitude > * |
| 05:47.09 | seanp2k | so i have to find those online and compile those |
| 05:47.15 | seanp2k | and those have dependencies |
| 05:47.18 | Guerin | compiling from source is for gentoobies |
| 05:47.19 | streuner | !info ardour |
| 05:47.22 | dpkg | ardour: (digital audio workstation (graphical gtk2 interface)), section sound, is optional. Version: 1:2.0.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 6168 kB, Installed size: 21356 kB |
| 05:47.56 | streuner | !info ardour etch |
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| 05:48.14 | streuner | <dpkg> Package 'ardour' does not exist. |
| 05:48.20 | seanp2k | i'm just saying that I'd rather use apt to install awesomeness than compile it manually because of dependencies |
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| 05:48.39 | streuner | seanp2k: backports.org |
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| 05:49.02 | streuner | or just try /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 05:50.13 | streuner | http://ardour.org/source_downloads |
| 05:50.26 | streuner | Ardour 2.0.3 |
| 05:50.44 | streuner | the version in unstable is 2.0.3, whats old? |
| 05:52.17 | seanp2k | streuner: backports doesn't have lots of software IMO |
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| 05:52.43 | streuner | then use "simple sid backport" |
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| 05:53.03 | streuner | its easy |
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| 05:53.56 | seanp2k | so you are basically installing a sid package |
| 05:54.07 | Guerin | no |
| 05:54.09 | Guerin | not at all |
| 05:54.24 | seanp2k | you're using the sid repo |
| 05:54.32 | Guerin | not really |
| 05:54.40 | Guerin | the sid *source* repo |
| 05:54.48 | seanp2k | yeah |
| 05:54.52 | seanp2k | so the sid repo |
| 05:54.55 | seanp2k | ports style |
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| 05:55.06 | streuner | and you compile it on a etch system |
| 05:55.20 | Guerin | yes, but it's quite an important difference to using sid |
| 05:55.28 | streuner | yeah |
| 05:55.36 | seanp2k | and it automagically installs the correct version of all the deps? |
| 05:55.55 | Guerin | If it can. It usually works fine. |
| 05:56.22 | seanp2k | even if said dependency is only in the sid-src repo? |
| 05:56.45 | Guerin | suck and see. |
| 05:56.57 | Guerin | but no; if that's the case you need to backport the dep as well |
| 05:57.13 | seanp2k | Guerin: sounds like a lot more work than just having it in synaptic |
| 05:57.13 | Guerin | thisnis why it's more better to use backports.org or apt-get.org or somesuch |
| 05:57.30 | Guerin | seanp2k: wtf does synaptic have to do with anything? |
| 05:57.43 | seanp2k | it's easy like aptitude |
| 05:57.52 | seanp2k | and i'm lazy |
| 05:58.00 | Guerin | but it doesn't magically make software available to you when it otherwise wouldn;'t be |
| 05:58.05 | Guerin | such as in the case you;re talking about |
| 05:58.14 | Guerin | and it certainly doesn't do backports |
| 05:58.22 | seanp2k | yeah |
| 05:58.28 | seanp2k | but why not |
| 05:58.41 | seanp2k | they could build it in so you could select a unstable branch |
| 05:58.53 | Guerin | they have, and you can |
| 05:58.57 | seanp2k | or just build everything from source |
| 05:58.58 | Guerin | but that is extremely unwise |
| 05:59.09 | Guerin | seanp2k: if you want to build everything from source, use gentoo |
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| 05:59.20 | seanp2k | my other box is freebsd |
| 05:59.33 | seanp2k | it's just a bit much for a desktop |
| 05:59.37 | Guerin | it *can* be done on debian, but it's a pointless waste of time |
| 05:59.57 | seanp2k | the last few things i have installed i ended up compiling |
| 06:00.00 | streuner | plus you dont have support |
| 06:00.07 | Guerin | seanp2k: why? |
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| 06:00.23 | MrMary | my sound no work |
| 06:00.23 | streuner | the main thing is, if you use self-compiled stuff you dont have support then |
| 06:00.36 | streuner | !tell MrMary about ask |
| 06:00.36 | seanp2k | there was not a satisfactorially bleeding edge version in the repos |
| 06:00.49 | Guerin | seanp2k: not in unstable? |
| 06:00.57 | Guerin | MrMary: /sg dpkg sound |
| 06:01.00 | Guerin | MrMary: /msg dpkg sound |
| 06:01.11 | seanp2k | Guerin: didn't check |
| 06:01.17 | Guerin | seanp2k: ... |
| 06:01.27 | streuner | MrMary: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 06:01.28 | MrMary | /sg dpkg sound |
| 06:01.41 | seanp2k | Guerin: wouldn't you have to change sources.list then search for it then disable it again in your sources |
| 06:01.48 | Guerin | seanp2k: no. |
| 06:01.50 | seanp2k | or can you choose to just search it sometimes |
| 06:01.59 | Guerin | seanp2k: /msg dpkg search |
| 06:02.00 | MrMary | i'll come back for help latter i'm not on my box atm |
| 06:02.05 | Guerin | ... |
| 06:02.14 | stoned | !sound |
| 06:02.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, sound is ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://wiki.debian.org/UseSoundCard |
| 06:02.24 | streuner | MrMary: do you have internet connection on that box? |
| 06:02.29 | MrMary | yeah |
| 06:03.04 | streuner | ok, just come back, its easier then if you using the debian box |
| 06:03.13 | streuner | no ssh? |
| 06:03.16 | MrMary | i fubared my X |
| 06:03.31 | streuner | well, install irssi |
| 06:04.05 | seanp2k | x = root(*.evil) |
| 06:04.24 | streuner | login as user and run "/connect irc.freenode.net" ; "/j #debian" in irssi |
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| 06:05.01 | MrMary | is that why x is bad becuse it runs as root? |
| 06:05.26 | seanp2k | lol no i was just saying x is the root of all evil. |
| 06:05.41 | seanp2k | x is bad because it is graphical and not ncurses |
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| 06:06.03 | seanp2k | but browsing the web with links gets old fast |
| 06:06.40 | cast | do you mean to say the web without porn gets old fast? |
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| 06:07.05 | MrMary | x is the root of all evil cuz it allows junk like advertisments |
| 06:07.27 | ice63 | seanp2k: i like lynx better |
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| 06:07.58 | seanp2k | i never got around to getting images working on my --without x box |
| 06:08.00 | MrMary | i had opensuse installed, i', gonna nuke it and reinstall debian probly tomorow |
| 06:08.03 | streuner | install privoxy |
| 06:08.10 | streuner | !info privoxy |
| 06:08.13 | dpkg | privoxy: (Privacy enhancing HTTP Proxy), section web, is optional. Version: 3.0.6-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1244 kB, Installed size: 2700 kB |
| 06:08.24 | seanp2k | or use adblockplus and noscript |
| 06:08.52 | seanp2k | i never see banners or popups or google adnonsense |
| 06:08.52 | MrMary | opensuse reminded me way to much of windows |
| 06:08.56 | streuner | well, disabling java and javascript would fix that problem likely |
| 06:09.56 | seanp2k | due to the overwhelming popularity of javascript i can't just not have it, some site require it |
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| 06:11.01 | K`zan | Hi folks, what do I have to install to build the nvidia driver (from nvidia), seems to want kernel source, but there has to be more? TMIA! |
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| 06:12.06 | seanp2k | K`zan: sudo uname -a |
| 06:12.07 | semprix | guys how do i check the syscall number? |
| 06:12.11 | semprix | where can i check them |
| 06:12.26 | K`zan | seanp2k: Linux witch1 2.6.18-4-k7 #1 SMP Wed May 9 23:42:01 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 06:12.37 | seanp2k | K`zan: then sudo apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.18 |
| 06:12.57 | K`zan | linux-source-2.6.18 ? |
| 06:13.09 | seanp2k | should be |
| 06:13.17 | K`zan | Thanks VERY much Sir! |
| 06:13.53 | seanp2k | K`zan: not done yet...cd over to /usr/src |
| 06:14.04 | K`zan | Easiest way to get out of X to just kill kdm? |
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| 06:14.12 | K`zan | seanp2k: Still installing... |
| 06:14.25 | seanp2k | K`zan: then tar -jxf kernel-source-2.6.whatever... |
| 06:14.26 | K`zan | Creat the linux symlink? |
| 06:14.32 | K`zan | ah |
| 06:14.40 | seanp2k | where does it want it? |
| 06:15.18 | cast | you don't need the kernel source, use the linux-headers pkg instead... |
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| 06:15.39 | K`zan | cast: I might want to customize the kernel later... Still need the headers? |
| 06:16.01 | streuner | Guerin: ever heard "Paul Potts"? |
| 06:16.17 | cast | K`zan: well that's later |
| 06:16.32 | cast | K`zan: besides, /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 06:16.48 | K`zan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:16.55 | seanp2k | K`zan: http://packages.debian.org/stable/devel/linux-headers-2.6.18-4 |
| 06:16.59 | Guerin | streuner: nope. |
| 06:18.22 | K`zan | Installed, OK to kill kdm and then install the binary drivers? |
| 06:18.34 | metbsd | why killkdm |
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| 06:19.05 | streuner | Guerin: where do you live? :-) |
| 06:19.05 | K`zan | the nvidia drivers will not install with X running. |
| 06:19.10 | seanp2k | it might not take effect until you restart X |
| 06:19.51 | Guerin | streuner: at home |
| 06:20.19 | streuner | Guerin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Potts |
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| 06:21.00 | Guerin | streuner: why do I care? |
| 06:21.24 | streuner | Guerin: well, you must see Paul Potts First Audition :-) |
| 06:21.30 | Guerin | why? |
| 06:21.42 | Guerin | i fucking hate reality TV talent shows |
| 06:21.43 | streuner | just look - you know why then |
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| 06:21.59 | streuner | iam too usually :-) |
| 06:23.46 | semprix | guys how do i check what architecture im running? |
| 06:24.01 | semprix | i686 |
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| 06:26.04 | Guerin | semprix: dpkg-architecture will tell your what arch your OS is built for |
| 06:26.51 | semprix | Guerin, thanks |
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| 06:32.10 | stoned | is there a way to block a certain application/process from having access to the networking? |
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| 06:32.29 | streuner | apt-get remove app |
| 06:32.31 | Guerin | !wayttd streuner |
| 06:32.31 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, streuner? |
| 06:32.33 | Guerin | argh |
| 06:32.37 | Guerin | !wayttd stoned |
| 06:32.37 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, stoned? |
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| 06:33.24 | stoned | I'm trying to block a certain app from getting on the net. I can't turn it off, it automatically does it, closed source. But either way, there should be a way to block a an entire application from having access to the networking/internet. |
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| 06:33.45 | Guerin | there should be, eh. |
| 06:33.56 | Guerin | i wonder if you can use trickle to give it 0 bandwidth |
| 06:34.26 | Guerin | you can iptables it, but I think you'd need to do it per-PID or per-user |
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| 06:34.52 | streuner | closed sources, /me shudders |
| 06:35.01 | stoned | forget I even mentioned it |
| 06:35.17 | stoned | but its a simple firewalling thing, how some its so not in linux that I could fine |
| 06:35.26 | streuner | do it have a name? |
| 06:35.27 | stoned | I dunno what I just said, but pretend it makes sense |
| 06:35.41 | stoned | hehe don't worry about the name |
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| 06:36.07 | streuner | dude, we cant help if you dont give us details |
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| 06:36.21 | streuner | we _NEED_ details |
| 06:36.48 | Guerin | well |
| 06:36.50 | stoned | it doesn't matter what the name of the application is imo. It doesn't matter what application it is, you should be able to do this, and im sure there is a way, just gotta find it |
| 06:37.01 | stoned | regardless of application name or company or whatever |
| 06:37.06 | Guerin | i told you ways |
| 06:37.14 | stoned | yeh im trying to look into them |
| 06:37.19 | Guerin | it's ok, stoned, you can admit your need for shemale pr0n to us |
| 06:37.28 | stoned | lol |
| 06:37.29 | stoned | sure sure |
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| 06:39.12 | liable | heh, thats a funny factoid about shemal pron |
| 06:39.33 | liable | !qotd103 |
| 06:39.34 | dpkg | qotd103 is, like, <punchik> everytime i use google i get a message that says its no safe , and other people can read what im writing because its not encrypted <Guerin> punchik: do you care if people see what you google for? <punchik> yes <punchik> i dont want people to know that i use to look for shemales |
| 06:39.46 | Guerin | that was the one I had in mind |
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| 06:40.04 | streuner | hehe |
| 06:40.06 | seanp2k | liable: how do you remember thse things? |
| 06:40.27 | Guerin | seanp2k: he runs shemales.com |
| 06:40.40 | liable | seanp2k: by pushing out all the stuff that i *should* remember |
| 06:41.04 | liable | and Guerin runs sheepmales.com |
| 06:41.15 | Guerin | baah, humbug |
| 06:41.48 | lightning | does anyone know how to change gtk themes in icewm? it seems all the gnome settings suddenly carried over! |
| 06:42.04 | Guerin | lightning: use switch2 |
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| 06:46.14 | lightning | you're the best Guerin |
| 06:46.26 | lightning | do you know if it will change like this often? |
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| 06:46.42 | albert_ | hey |
| 06:46.48 | lightning | i was su, ran something and it all switched |
| 06:47.05 | lightning | albert_: what's new? |
| 06:47.18 | albert_ | i get this /dev/.static/dev is not responding message by xfe |
| 06:47.28 | albert_ | and i have no clue about it |
| 06:47.44 | lightning | where does the message display? |
| 06:48.03 | albert_ | error window, 150*300 ...sth like that |
| 06:48.20 | lightning | during bootup, once you login? |
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| 06:48.31 | albert_ | at xfe startup and then every minute |
| 06:48.39 | albert_ | (rough guess about the minute) |
| 06:48.54 | lightning | is anything usb plugged in that you may believe be causing the problem |
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| 06:49.03 | lightning | anything on the keyboard, odd ports? |
| 06:49.24 | albert_ | well, i got a new pc |
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| 06:49.54 | albert_ | usb is plugged in, but even if i plug the sd-card-reader out it's bugging about /dev/.static/.dev |
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| 06:50.37 | lightning | that's fairly odd, i had shutdown problems that never went away until i removed my all-in-one card reader |
| 06:51.00 | lightning | it was driving me crazy, and i couldn't believe a card reader would do that, but sure enough, the problems gone |
| 06:51.25 | lightning | i would try unplugging it, rebooting twice, and seeing if it still occurs |
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| 06:51.47 | albert_ | as far as google tells me, it's an xfe bug... |
| 06:51.54 | lightning | oh |
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| 06:52.10 | LordBrain | Anyone have creative webcam? |
| 06:52.38 | Guerin | !anyone use creative webcam? |
| 06:52.39 | dpkg | No, no one uses creative webcam, not even the people who use it. |
| 06:52.55 | LordBrain | i dont know what to do, i have had it working in linux in the past, so i know its doable |
| 06:53.08 | LordBrain | uses spca5xx i'm pretty sure |
| 06:53.25 | lightning | LordBrain: can you run it's apps through wine? |
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| 06:53.39 | LordBrain | hmm interesting question, i dont think i have the windows driver |
| 06:54.00 | lightning | go to the website |
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| 06:54.35 | Maakuth | does anyone helse have problems with upgrading sid's gnokii package? |
| 06:54.38 | Maakuth | *else |
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| 06:55.58 | Guerin | Maakuth: ask the BTS |
| 06:56.01 | trollplonk | lolercaust |
| 06:56.02 | trollplonk | :D |
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| 06:56.42 | Maakuth | Guerin, thanks.. why didn't i think of that |
| 06:57.00 | dlkdslkadj | does anyone know of a good livecd with both compiz fusion and mplayer? i cant seem to find a good livecd destro with modern stuff on it |
| 06:57.38 | Maakuth | dlkdslkadj, i think patent problems might be blocking such live distro, at least in us |
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| 06:59.36 | dlkdslkadj | Maakuth, are there patent issues with compiz fusion or just mplayer? |
| 07:00.09 | Maakuth | well, compiz needs 3d acceleration, and including closed source driver modules linked with gpl'ed kernel is against gpl |
| 07:00.39 | Maakuth | this issue was demonstrated some time ago with kororaa cd |
| 07:00.41 | liable | what? |
| 07:01.36 | lightning | .ape file? |
| 07:01.46 | Maakuth | see http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/05/14/2059242 |
| 07:01.52 | amee2k | i just switched to debian 4.0 (reinst, not upgraded). how can i make the 'vga=0x317' thing in the boot options work again? |
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| 07:03.06 | amee2k | it only displays a message "you have passed an invalid video mode number. press enter to see a list or space or wait 30 seconds to continue" |
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| 07:03.31 | lightning | where can i set the default browser, if i'm in icewm, how can i access it/ |
| 07:03.46 | Maakuth | amee2k, well, press enter and see if it's listed in there |
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| 07:05.18 | amee2k | the 'list' only lists modes 0...6 but neither of these work if i put them in the boot options either. if i select it from the list it works uo to the point where the bootscripts set console fonts. then it reverts to 80x25 display |
| 07:05.24 | MoonSwan | lightning i believe you can just do "iceweasel" in a console |
| 07:05.36 | klikklak | When I'm watching shows on miro the screen goes blank after awhile, I've disabled xscreensaver, but it still does this. how do I turn this feature off? |
| 07:06.07 | amee2k | klikklak: power safe option in the bios? |
| 07:06.25 | klikklak | amee2k: it's a bios thing? ... damn, I have to reboot to fix it then |
| 07:06.42 | LordBrain | hey it says error accessing V4L no such device |
| 07:06.56 | amee2k | if you have disabled the screensaver and all other power safe options, yeah |
| 07:07.10 | MoonSwan | or edit xorg.conf and put the DPMS option to "off" |
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| 07:07.36 | LordBrain | lightning, i think i might need to install something, it says V4L no such device |
| 07:08.35 | LordBrain | i plugged my cam in and ever since my cpu fan is going nuts |
| 07:09.10 | metrics | klikklak: If you want to temporarily disable it... xset -dpms |
| 07:09.10 | seanp2k | LordBrain: whatever it's seeing is too hot to handle |
| 07:09.35 | klikklak | metrics: ok, thanks |
| 07:09.36 | LordBrain | i'm going to reboot |
| 07:09.39 | seanp2k | LordBrain: try removing and cute girls from the camera's view and see if that helps |
| 07:09.54 | amee2k | how can i change the font on VTs? |
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| 07:10.07 | LordBrain | maybe thats lame... but hey i'm worried about the poor little bugger |
| 07:10.20 | LordBrain | bbiab |
| 07:10.22 | dd` | hai |
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| 07:10.41 | db2k | ok im officially desperate - has anyone here encoded any x264 movies :/ |
| 07:11.05 | dd` | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.58 | Guerin | db2k: ask #mplayer or #vlc |
| 07:12.41 | db2k | Guerin it sucks |
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| 07:12.44 | db2k | nobody is ever around |
| 07:12.49 | db2k | i hate idlers |
| 07:12.57 | db2k | gives the false impression that people are there |
| 07:13.10 | Guerin | db2k: aww. |
| 07:13.24 | metbsd | maybe they just ignoring you? |
| 07:13.37 | tbamr | does anyone have problem with clamav virusdb update ? |
| 07:13.46 | Guerin | db2k: i think the gentoo wiki has a good howto on encoding x264 |
| 07:13.55 | metbsd | tbamr, do you run freshclam daemon? |
| 07:13.56 | Guerin | and there will be plenty of others |
| 07:14.08 | tbamr | metbsd, i am manually doing it |
| 07:14.29 | metbsd | ... |
| 07:14.33 | tbamr | metbsd, freshclam |
| 07:14.37 | tbamr | metbsd, $freshclam |
| 07:14.56 | db2k | all i need to do is reduce the file size of a current x264 rip |
| 07:15.08 | tbamr | metbsd, the mirrors are down it sems |
| 07:15.10 | tbamr | seems |
| 07:15.11 | db2k | from 8 gigs to 4 gigs, and this is in, *gasp* windows |
| 07:15.29 | Guerin | db2k: NOFP |
| 07:15.51 | cast | mencoder -ovc x264 |
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| 07:16.18 | cast | and a 8gb rip from what? HD-DVD/Bluray? |
| 07:16.49 | Guerin | dual-layer, by the sounds |
| 07:16.49 | tbamr | metbsd, ? |
| 07:17.03 | metbsd | ?? |
| 07:17.07 | cast | then why transcode it from mpeg2 to x264 if the files still going to be ~8gb :\ |
| 07:17.08 | db2k | they are 8 gig rips from HDDVDS |
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| 07:17.21 | tbamr | nevermind |
| 07:17.25 | db2k | i just want them to fit on a normal dvd |
| 07:17.36 | metbsd | ok |
| 07:17.55 | db2k | but then on the same token - are hd rips at 4 gigs ripped in x264 better quality than the normal dvd of the same movie? |
| 07:18.05 | Guerin | doubtful |
| 07:18.15 | Guerin | x264 is good, but it's not as good as mpeg-2 |
| 07:18.30 | cast | Guerin: you sure about that? |
| 07:18.40 | db2k | i dont think thats true at all |
| 07:18.52 | db2k | damn i see 700 meg divx movies that look damn close to dvds |
| 07:19.11 | db2k | but once you get up to the hd quality there is less room for difference |
| 07:19.19 | Guerin | cast: per-filesize x-264 is definitely better. But mpeg-2 is still ultimately less compressed and has far fewer artifacts and better motion. |
| 07:19.22 | cast | is mpeg2 at 2x the bitrate of x264 better is more the question, dunno! go test it. |
| 07:19.37 | Guerin | db2k: you don't know what you're looking for. You probably think 128k mp3 sounds good too. |
| 07:19.44 | damog | Heh. |
| 07:19.53 | Guerin | cast: yeah, that's possibly a worthwhile test. |
| 07:19.59 | db2k | well when its all you know everything sounds the same |
| 07:20.09 | db2k | but i can tell the diff between 320 and 128 |
| 07:20.09 | Guerin | i suppose that's true |
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| 07:20.17 | db2k | but i guess who can't |
| 07:20.19 | db2k | besides girls |
| 07:20.24 | Guerin | ... |
| 07:20.28 | db2k | oh god |
| 07:20.29 | damog | hahaha |
| 07:20.31 | db2k | your a girl |
| 07:20.32 | Noborusan | hello guys |
| 07:20.40 | Noborusan | i am back :) |
| 07:20.42 | db2k | you be a girl Guerin? |
| 07:20.43 | cast | personally, as long as you don't encode to fucking real media with postage stamp size output... |
| 07:20.45 | Guerin | db2k: i'm not, but at least I *know* some |
| 07:20.46 | metbsd | hi back |
| 07:21.07 | db2k | im making a gross generalization about how girls dont give a fuck and or care about small changes in quality |
| 07:21.22 | Guerin | db2k: not that you have any experience to work from. |
| 07:21.26 | metbsd | you don't meet enough quantity of girls |
| 07:21.27 | db2k | they are happy with fergalicious in 96 bitrate as long as its loud and they can dance |
| 07:21.36 | MoonSwan | i'm a girl and it depends for me. |
| 07:21.44 | db2k | aww geeze |
| 07:21.45 | Guerin | those aren't girls, those are *slappers* |
| 07:21.45 | cast | db2k: while we're on the topic...theora is nice enough :) |
| 07:22.05 | Guerin | the point is that there are fucking idiots of all three sexes |
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| 07:22.11 | metbsd | there is no girl in this channel |
| 07:22.14 | db2k | the only girls i do are the blonde hot ones that all the other girls hate |
| 07:22.18 | metbsd | even there is, there are ugly ones |
| 07:22.20 | db2k | those girls dont know anything about computers |
| 07:22.33 | db2k | but more back to the topic of x264 encoding and less on the fact that im sexist |
| 07:22.35 | Guerin | can we please stop being fuckwits for a short while? |
| 07:22.38 | MoonSwan | very true, and don't worry db2k i don't give a fuck about your opinions...so no need to sweat. |
| 07:22.41 | db2k | thats how i feel |
| 07:22.47 | metbsd | you seem to know alot about girls, db2k |
| 07:22.58 | Guerin | db2k: you've been told how, and besides, it's offtopic. |
| 07:23.06 | db2k | of course its off topic |
| 07:23.09 | cast | did i tell you guys about my 12, you count em, *twelve* jillies |
| 07:23.18 | db2k | but i went here because people who run debian know shit |
| 07:23.24 | liable | wtf is a jillie? |
| 07:23.25 | db2k | not to mention nobody is up anymore |
| 07:23.37 | liable | wtf is a gillie? |
| 07:23.42 | cast | liable: in the dark tower...a whore of sorts |
| 07:23.47 | Guerin | liable: i think it means `wank' |
| 07:23.50 | metbsd | .. you think your country is the only country in the world |
| 07:23.51 | db2k | i used to run debian until i couldn't take the fact wine couldn't run half my games |
| 07:24.09 | Guerin | metbsd: of course, he's from north america |
| 07:24.19 | metbsd | oh i see |
| 07:24.23 | metbsd | well, that explains |
| 07:24.25 | metbsd | anyway |
| 07:24.37 | metbsd | do you define a good linux by how many windows games its wine can run? |
| 07:24.37 | db2k | there are other countries besides the states? |
| 07:24.40 | db2k | i had no idea |
| 07:24.51 | MoonSwan | heh hey now i live in canada...pity me for being that close to em. |
| 07:24.58 | h3sp4wn | db2k: I know women who know more about computers than probably you will ever know |
| 07:25.08 | Guerin | MoonSwan: nothing wrong with canada, eh |
| 07:25.10 | db2k | h3sp4wn nope |
| 07:25.10 | metbsd | i live in china, it's 3:35 pm here |
| 07:25.17 | metbsd | so i'm still up! |
| 07:25.19 | MoonSwan | nope i like it ;) |
| 07:25.24 | cast | so anyway. |
| 07:25.27 | db2k | h3sp4wn not going to get into that conversation but sorry they dont know anything |
| 07:25.37 | metbsd | h3sp4wn, were they hot or ugly |
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| 07:25.58 | db2k | h3sp4wn and if they even got close - they dont even look close to anything good looking - they are those emo chicks that gross me out |
| 07:26.10 | db2k | those aren't girls |
| 07:26.20 | db2k | metbsd they let you on the inet? |
| 07:26.32 | db2k | metbsd i thought china hates free speech |
| 07:26.35 | Guerin | i'm going to be less subtle now: can you please Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform about this stupid shit? |
| 07:26.46 | db2k | Guerin no |
| 07:26.48 | metbsd | yes china hate that |
| 07:26.51 | liable | roger roger |
| 07:26.52 | db2k | Guerin love you though |
| 07:27.02 | liable | we have clearance clarence |
| 07:27.02 | metbsd | we cannot talk about advanced technology america |
| 07:27.13 | metbsd | america is vely vely good |
| 07:27.21 | Guerin | haha |
| 07:27.22 | metbsd | mighty |
| 07:27.28 | db2k | metbsd im not dumb i know everyone outside the us hates the us |
| 07:27.31 | metbsd | with old style cell phone |
| 07:27.42 | metbsd | but we like the US |
| 07:27.45 | db2k | but in the US - i can be republican and not care about what bush does |
| 07:27.50 | metbsd | we want to be part of the US |
| 07:27.50 | db2k | in fact i can agree with it |
| 07:28.02 | metbsd | because the USA are too good |
| 07:28.04 | cast | !OT |
| 07:28.04 | dpkg | #debian-offtopic is not a place where nolife from #debian can come at will and feel at home. find another place ffs |
| 07:28.12 | h3sp4wn | metbsd: Doesn't really matter - not unattractive but its irrelevant anyway |
| 07:28.12 | Guerin | haha |
| 07:28.15 | db2k | so if we can seperate politics from my simple x264 question i think maybe i could start encoding while we talk about how much my country sucks |
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| 07:28.29 | cast | db2k: either way you are off topic and have been told to go else where already |
| 07:28.34 | Guerin | db2k: you got your fucking answer about 20 ago, and could have started already. |
| 07:28.43 | seanp2k | guerin: are you using AOL from ManAssas virginia? |
| 07:28.45 | db2k | you guys serious |
| 07:28.49 | db2k | what program should i use |
| 07:28.52 | db2k | i never saw it |
| 07:29.02 | seanp2k | but using a proxy in NZ? |
| 07:29.08 | Guerin | db2k: google "x264 encoding howto" |
| 07:29.16 | db2k | lol been there |
| 07:29.21 | Guerin | seanp2k: yeah ... that's me. International man of mystery. |
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| 07:29.35 | seanp2k | yay passive fingerprinting |
| 07:29.36 | Guerin | db2k: the gentoo wiki has a howto - read it |
| 07:29.37 | Kevin` | might want to mention 'linux' to google, too |
| 07:29.44 | Guerin | seanp2k: ... |
| 07:29.44 | db2k | heres the deal |
| 07:29.51 | Kevin` | otherwise you get windows shareware |
| 07:29.56 | db2k | without you guys raping me for not being as cool as you guys |
| 07:29.59 | db2k | im on windows xp |
| 07:30.05 | db2k | i know gasp its terrible |
| 07:30.05 | seanp2k | Guerin: it just started when someone asked where do you live and you said at home |
| 07:30.06 | metbsd | that's bad |
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| 07:30.14 | seanp2k | i was intrigued |
| 07:30.16 | db2k | but as i said before i play games |
| 07:30.20 | metbsd | cuz im on windows too, will i be blamed on? |
| 07:30.22 | h3sp4wn | db2k: Maybe learning to read might be helpful |
| 07:30.25 | Guerin | seanp2k: so you tracked me down to Man Ass, Virginia? |
| 07:30.30 | seanp2k | lmao |
| 07:30.32 | metbsd | db2k, do you define a good linux as how many windows games its wine can run? |
| 07:30.37 | Guerin | db2k: maybe fucking off would be the best thing you could do. |
| 07:30.54 | Guerin | seanp2k: don't give up your day job to run your net sleuthing business. |
| 07:30.56 | db2k | metbsd nope but i would be a linux user for sure if there were no compatibility problems |
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| 07:31.01 | seanp2k | that's what i got from netgeo |
| 07:31.08 | Guerin | netgeo is broken |
| 07:31.14 | metbsd | db2k, compatibility problem of what? games? |
| 07:31.21 | seanp2k | 64.12.31.96? |
| 07:31.21 | Noborusan | would anyone help me fix my fstab problem ? |
| 07:31.29 | Kevin` | not playing windows games isn't a linux compatability problem :) |
| 07:31.29 | Guerin | Noborusan: what problem? |
| 07:31.39 | Guerin | seanp2k: nothing to do with me. |
| 07:31.39 | db2k | im a computer technician by trade - and i would love to run linux exclusiviely but damn sometimes i just want to fuck around in the new games and push my new pc to the limits |
| 07:31.50 | Guerin | db2k: we don't care. |
| 07:31.57 | db2k | i just dont want to be switching os's just to do something that one os should do by itself |
| 07:31.58 | Guerin | db2k: run debian, or go elsewhere. |
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| 07:32.07 | Kevin` | db2k I keep server 2003 installed on here for the rare times I want to play windows games.. |
| 07:32.14 | seanp2k | db2k: what are you trying to do? |
| 07:32.20 | Noborusan | hi Guerin , my server couldn't boot due to incorrect fstab settings,i had to call them to log in single mode then remount / then edit fstab to default now it works |
| 07:32.34 | Guerin | Noborusan: so what's the problem? |
| 07:32.36 | db2k | seanp2k lol all i want to do is talk to some people that are nice - not Guerin |
| 07:32.41 | cast | Noborusan: so why didn't it work? |
| 07:32.49 | db2k | seanp2k i hate linux because of people like Guerin |
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| 07:33.05 | Kevin` | db2k pity. |
| 07:33.07 | metbsd | i don't even dare to tell how i use my computer |
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| 07:33.15 | Noborusan | Guerin, but i cannot understand when/where i did it incorrect in fstab and also i received email from the tech-support of the webhosting panel which requires to add quota support in fstab |
| 07:33.16 | Guerin | db2k: yeah. Because I tell you to not be offtopic and go to a windows DVD piracy channel instead of here, I'm a bastard. |
| 07:33.18 | metbsd | because i'll get instant banned |
| 07:33.19 | db2k | seanp2k but anyway i just came in here looking for someone that knew about x264 encoding - i just want to take a 8 gig x264 file and make it 4 gigs |
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| 07:33.32 | Noborusan | yeah hi cast ,sorry i was a big angry last night |
| 07:33.43 | Kevin` | db2k does mencoder support x264? |
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| 07:33.49 | Guerin | Noborusan: i know nothing about quotas, sorry. |
| 07:33.52 | Noborusan | let me past my fstab .just a second |
| 07:33.59 | vorpal | hello, i am a microserf. please like me |
| 07:34.01 | Guerin | Kevin`: he's using WINDOWS, ffs. |
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| 07:34.03 | cast | Noborusan: oh i don't much care, i'm just curious as to why it didn't work |
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| 07:34.19 | db2k | Kevin` yah im on windows if it matters |
| 07:34.24 | db2k | i know im dumb |
| 07:34.25 | db2k | omg windows |
| 07:34.25 | Kevin` | Guerin well then his question is offtopic, although I won't mention it works on windows too, because it's an evil commandline program he won't like =p |
| 07:34.29 | Guerin | !ops db2k |
| 07:34.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: db2k |
| 07:34.37 | metbsd | no you are not dumb, just ignorant |
| 07:34.41 | Guerin | i disagree |
| 07:34.44 | db2k | Guerin go jack off to a commadore 64 |
| 07:34.47 | seanp2k | guise....guise |
| 07:34.49 | Guerin | dumb is as dumb does |
| 07:34.54 | seanp2k | windows is good for games |
| 07:34.54 | Kevin` | db2k if you want to ask for help with an obviously windows-specific problem, you shouldn't be asking here |
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| 07:35.00 | vorpal | i love you guys. would you mind if i checked your private parts? |
| 07:35.06 | db2k | Kevin` nobody is up but linux geeks anymore |
| 07:35.11 | db2k | i was hoping you guys would be nice |
| 07:35.15 | metbsd | will you guys blame on me if i tell you that i'm on windows xp too? |
| 07:35.18 | db2k | clearly that isint the case |
| 07:35.20 | Guerin | vorpal: fuck off, preferably taking db2k with you |
| 07:35.22 | liable | go to doom9 and leave us in peace |
| 07:35.23 | seanp2k | vorpal: what port is a dong on? |
| 07:35.24 | db2k | metbsd yes they will |
| 07:35.43 | Guerin | metbsd: you're not asking us for support with it, so no. |
| 07:35.49 | db2k | omg |
| 07:35.54 | db2k | just help a fellow human out |
| 07:35.56 | db2k | sweet god |
| 07:36.03 | Guerin | db2k: we fucking did |
| 07:36.06 | metbsd | ok |
| 07:36.06 | Guerin | db2k: doom9.org |
| 07:36.14 | db2k | im not an idiot |
| 07:36.19 | db2k | i have been all over that shit |
| 07:36.23 | db2k | for the last couple days |
| 07:36.27 | Kevin` | http://www.videolan.org/developers/x264.html |
| 07:36.30 | Guerin | db2k: shop yourself in to freenode staff for piracy while you're about it |
| 07:36.32 | db2k | i was hoping a real person could give me instant answers |
| 07:36.38 | Kevin` | instant answer |
| 07:36.42 | db2k | Guerinyes im a pirate |
| 07:36.45 | db2k | sue me |
| 07:36.47 | Guerin | arr. |
| 07:36.49 | db2k | who cares |
| 07:36.51 | Kjikaqawej | db2k: instant answer this: ,.|.. |
| 07:36.54 | Kevin` | db2k freenode cares |
| 07:36.54 | vorpal | oh gee, i guess there is no love for microserfs here |
| 07:36.58 | seanp2k | db2k: perhaps this is relevant to your intrests: http://kaizoku-fansubs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=29 |
| 07:37.13 | Kevin` | vorpal no love for trolls, more like |
| 07:37.29 | Kjikaqawej | i predict 3 names will be added to my /ignore list |
| 07:37.40 | db2k | seanp2k thanks looks like it might help |
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| 07:37.49 | vorpal | Kevin`: not to worry, point was made ;-) |
| 07:37.54 | seanp2k | db2k: assuming you want to encode it into divx? |
| 07:37.58 | Kjikaqawej | it cam true. amazing |
| 07:38.00 | Kjikaqawej | came* |
| 07:38.05 | db2k | if you dont care for me ignore me - least i dont have to deal with your bullshit about you being a fucking perfect citizen |
| 07:38.15 | Guerin | Kjikaqawej: you should bottle that shit and sell it |
| 07:38.26 | Guerin | !ops can you fucking ban db2k already? |
| 07:38.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: can you fucking ban db2k already |
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| 07:38.28 | Kjikaqawej | hehehe |
| 07:38.30 | db2k | i never knew nerds could be such fucking morons to society |
| 07:38.37 | seanp2k | db2k: or did you just want to re-encode it at a lower bitrate |
| 07:38.38 | Noborusan | okay,here goes my question about fstab issue http://pastebin.ca/636822 |
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| 07:38.56 | Guerin | if only a busybody freenode staffer would come and be overzealous |
| 07:38.58 | db2k | seanp2k i just wanted to lower the quality of a x264 encode |
| 07:39.01 | db2k | from 8 gigs to 4 |
| 07:39.09 | seanp2k | so re-encode based on size |
| 07:39.09 | Kevin` | NoorulIslaam what error do you get on boot |
| 07:39.16 | Kjikaqawej | like tomaw or RichiH |
| 07:39.24 | db2k | Guerin dont make me run my mouth on you |
| 07:39.34 | Guerin | db2k: why not? |
| 07:39.36 | db2k | Guerin you are clearly the kid in high school that never had sex |
| 07:39.45 | db2k | Guerin you attiude shows it |
| 07:39.48 | Kevin` | I see the end coming soon |
| 07:39.51 | vorpal | db2k, why hang out where you are disliked? oh wait, mayb e because you need attention? |
| 07:39.52 | Noborusan | hmm |
| 07:39.54 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:39.55 | MoonSwan | heh damn now you sound like you wanna be with Guerin ... didn't know you were gay, how cool. |
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| 07:40.05 | Guerin | my wife would be into that |
| 07:40.09 | metbsd | omg hehe |
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| 07:40.14 | Guerin | well ... actually ... she doesn't do 12 year-olds |
| 07:40.15 | db2k | Guerin i wish i could fuck Guerin least his social skills would be fixed |
| 07:40.22 | streuner__ | Could you stop this? |
| 07:40.27 | Kjikaqawej | damn, do i have to unignore these lusers to catch the jokes? |
| 07:40.28 | streuner__ | db2k: |
| 07:40.31 | MoonSwan | don't blame her |
| 07:40.31 | streuner__ | Guerin: |
| 07:40.36 | Guerin | streuner__: |
| 07:40.43 | db2k | Guerin all losers in high school marry earlier because the propose to the first ugly bitch that decides to be their gf |
| 07:40.43 | streuner__ | Guerin: Stop that |
| 07:40.51 | metbsd | this is too funny |
| 07:40.52 | streuner__ | db2k: you too |
| 07:40.56 | cast | Noborusan: i wonder if the manpage needs to be fixed |
| 07:40.58 | Kevin` | Noborusan are you sure it's just not taking a while to recaculate the quotas on boot? (it would tell you on console) |
| 07:40.59 | db2k | you too? |
| 07:41.00 | metbsd | Kjikaqawej, you missed it |
| 07:41.02 | db2k | honestly |
| 07:41.06 | db2k | thats what you came up with |
| 07:41.07 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:41.11 | db2k | wow you win |
| 07:41.14 | db2k | i concede |
| 07:41.16 | vorpal | ah, brilliant. so speaketh the master of the flag pole |
| 07:41.29 | seanp2k | db2k: http://forum.videohelp.com/topic333068.html |
| 07:41.30 | cast | for fucks sake stfu |
| 07:41.35 | Noborusan | Kevin`, what do you mean ? |
| 07:41.39 | db2k | thanks seanp2k |
| 07:41.51 | seanp2k | np |
| 07:41.58 | Kevin` | Noborusan when you enable quotas it has to check how much space each user and group is using |
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| 07:42.15 | Noborusan | Kevin`,it won't take hours right |
| 07:42.25 | Kevin` | not on my system it didn't |
| 07:42.31 | Kevin` | depends on the size I suppos4e |
| 07:42.31 | Noborusan | Kevin`, and the server is brand new setup, only have 2 users by far |
| 07:42.41 | db2k | Guerin lets see a picture of your wife - one that wont make me throw up |
| 07:42.42 | Kevin` | should only take a minute or two |
| 07:42.54 | Kjikaqawej | it could take seconds, or minutes, but never seen it take hours |
| 07:43.06 | db2k | Guerin while you photoshop something from google images im going to look at the site seanp2k got for me |
| 07:43.08 | Noborusan | Kevin`, yeah,so by any chance it would not take hours,so that this config must be wrong |
| 07:43.16 | Kjikaqawej | hours would be like ... i dunno, 6 TB on slow drives |
| 07:43.27 | Kevin` | NoorulIslaam mine looks almost exactly like yours |
| 07:43.50 | Noborusan | Kevin`, you think my fstab looks ok ? |
| 07:43.59 | vorpal | db2k: any pics of your wife? |
| 07:44.00 | Kevin` | yes, looks ok to me |
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| 07:44.11 | Kevin` | http://kwzs.be/fstab.txt |
| 07:44.18 | Noborusan | Kevin`, strange,or do i need to install something to support quota ? |
| 07:44.19 | db2k | vorpal i dont get married at 21 - i fuck a bunch of chicks and dodge diseases |
| 07:44.35 | vorpal | db2k: ah, right. |
| 07:44.36 | Kevin` | Noborusan you do have to install something, I think |
| 07:44.50 | Noborusan | Kevin`, hmm,then i didnt do this step |
| 07:44.58 | vorpal | hence the midnight irc session |
| 07:45.00 | Kevin` | Noborusan probably just 'quota' |
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| 07:45.02 | seanp2k | not to be rude but can we please try to stay at least somewhat on topic |
| 07:45.02 | proqesi | db2k: you *don't*? do you mean you won't, or you didn't? |
| 07:45.02 | tomaw | db2k: that's not really suitable for here, thanks :) |
| 07:45.23 | Noborusan | Kevin`, apt-get install quota ? |
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| 07:45.26 | Kevin` | ya |
| 07:45.42 | db2k | i was referring to Guerin who apperently got hitched straight out of highschool |
| 07:45.42 | Kevin` | I was following a debian howto when I did this I think, and it worked.. not sure what you were following |
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| 07:45.48 | Kevin` | I don't remember all of it |
| 07:45.48 | lightning | Guerin: are you here? |
| 07:45.52 | cast | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/06/msg00292.html some guy with XFS root quota issue...'quota' coming up as a bad option in fstab, he fixed it with boot option |
| 07:45.58 | Guerin | db2k: heh |
| 07:46.04 | db2k | lightning Guerin is a dick talk to someone who cares |
| 07:46.05 | lightning | how can i adjust fonts or access the window to do so |
| 07:46.16 | Noborusan | Kevin`, im following the official support doc on how to add quota support,i missed it |
| 07:46.21 | seanp2k | lightning: are you using gnome? |
| 07:46.26 | Guerin | db2k: iit was just out of university, actually |
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| 07:46.30 | lightning | icewm with gnome apps |
| 07:46.35 | streuner__ | db2k: just use ignore, otherwise you'll leave us soon |
| 07:46.38 | vorpal | guerin helps a bunch peeps with debian questions. what do you do, faggot? |
| 07:46.45 | Kevin` | NoorulIslaam look at the url that cast pasted, looks appropriate |
| 07:47.10 | seanp2k | lightning: for me it's just desktop -> preferences -> fonts |
| 07:47.20 | vorpal | that's right, i thought so |
| 07:47.21 | lightning | oh they reverted here |
| 07:47.23 | lightning | thanks |
| 07:47.33 | lightning | gnome-font-properties |
| 07:47.44 | db2k | streuner__ then kick me out |
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| 07:47.49 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@24-179-144-29.dhcp.stpt.wi.charter.com] by tomaw |
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| 07:47.56 | Guerin | !beer tomaw |
| 07:48.00 | Guerin | bravo |
| 07:48.06 | Guerin | not a fucking moment too soon, I must say |
| 07:48.23 | streuner__ | thanks tomaw |
| 07:48.29 | tomaw | np |
| 07:48.31 | Kjikaqawej | yay tomaw |
| 07:48.35 | Kjikaqawej | !tomaw++ |
| 07:48.45 | Noborusan | Kevin`, let me try it in vmware first |
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| 07:48.49 | seanp2k | i was just trying to help him so maybe he'd leave |
| 07:48.58 | MoonSwan | indeed ... if i wanna talk to a misogynist, I'll go to a kkk meeting. |
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| 07:49.04 | Guerin | seanp2k: unhelpable |
| 07:49.22 | Guerin | i considered goatse'ing him, but i did go looking for a pic of Deb, and here it is - http://feayn.org/~lewis/debmural.jpg |
| 07:49.31 | seanp2k | why does a dude join a channel when it's totally unrelated to his problem? |
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| 07:49.45 | Guerin | i thought a goatse might have collateral damage on you guys, so ... yeah :) |
| 07:50.10 | cast | seanp2k: he did explain it, it was a compliment. debian people know more than windows people |
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| 07:50.37 | seanp2k | ooh, i missed where he said that |
| 07:50.53 | proqesi | cast: what about openbsd, solaris and mac people? |
| 07:51.00 | pringat | After an upgrade gnome does not automount attached devices any more. What/where shall I check? thx (lenny, ppc) |
| 07:51.14 | seanp2k | proqesi: they all think they're better than people who use X os |
| 07:51.22 | seanp2k | not to be confused with OSX |
| 07:51.26 | Noborusan | Kevin`, there ? |
| 07:51.39 | Kjikaqawej | pringat: gnome-control-center prefs? |
| 07:51.49 | Kevin` | Noborusan |
| 07:51.50 | cast | proqesi: maybe we should talk on average user, i'd say openbsd and solaris might on average know more about IT things than debian users, not sure. would be interesting to investigate! |
| 07:51.55 | proqesi | seanp2k: never heard of X OS |
| 07:52.00 | pringat | Kjikaqawej, let me check it. thx |
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| 07:52.11 | seanp2k | proqesi: as in whatever other OS |
| 07:52.42 | Noborusan | Kevin`, can you remember if it goes this way, right after defaults add ,usrquota,grpquota without space ? |
| 07:52.57 | Kevin` | Noborusan I gave you my fstab |
| 07:53.00 | sandman | Man my Debian system beeps so much... |
| 07:53.04 | Noborusan | Kevin`, Thanks |
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| 07:53.12 | cast | sandman: i unplugged that speaker :) |
| 07:53.13 | Guerin | vorpal: subtle. |
| 07:53.22 | sandman | cast: Why does it do that? |
| 07:53.31 | Guerin | sandman: /msg dpkg bell |
| 07:53.38 | Kjikaqawej | db2k: cycling won't remove it... |
| 07:53.47 | sandman | It's constantly beeping and puking into my terminals text like "bad page state" this and "trying to clean up, but a reboot is needed" that |
| 07:53.57 | cast | sandman: oh. now that sounds scary |
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| 07:54.20 | sandman | cast: It's been running like that for a _long_ time |
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| 07:55.10 | Guerin | sandman: if it works, don't fuck with it ;) |
| 07:55.15 | Guerin | just back up plenty |
| 07:55.16 | vorpal | Guerin: thing is that i dislike bigots of any color. usually they are inexperienced punks |
| 07:55.23 | sandman | Guerin: Well, the beeping and puking is really annoying. |
| 07:55.34 | liable | !bell |
| 07:55.34 | dpkg | it has been said that bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
| 07:55.39 | sandman | Guerin: syslog keeps puking into my terminals, even while I work with things. |
| 07:55.40 | Guerin | vorpal: i think all extremists should be lined up and shot. |
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| 07:56.04 | liable | change klogd's level |
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| 07:56.18 | Guerin | sandman: /msg dpkg klogd |
| 07:56.19 | vorpal | Guerin: ironic ;-) |
| 07:56.33 | sandman | Guerin: Is this sort of stuff normal? |
| 07:56.36 | Guerin | ;) |
| 07:56.39 | pringat | Kjikaqawej: all automounting options are selected in g-c-c/Removable devices... any other idea? |
| 07:56.48 | Guerin | sandman: no, it shows something is horribly broken |
| 07:57.16 | Kjikaqawej | check dmesg to see if the things are getting seen. if not, maybe you don't have some kernel modules loaded that you need |
| 07:57.20 | sandman | Guerin: I wonder what it is... |
| 07:57.32 | Guerin | sandman: `page' indicates ram |
| 07:57.41 | Hoxzer | :O I have a dreamm! |
| 07:57.49 | pringat | Kjikaqawej: I'm able to mount them manually (mount -t ...) |
| 07:57.55 | sandman | Guerin: Isn't it possible to map out which portions of my RAM is bad, such that the system won't use those portions? |
| 07:58.07 | Guerin | sandman: it's possible, but extremely unwise. |
| 07:58.12 | Guerin | just go and buy more ram |
| 07:58.27 | sandman | Guerin: And what if I'm unemployed, and extraordinarily poor? :) |
| 07:58.30 | \inode0 | What if you want to do it for a project? |
| 07:59.59 | Kjikaqawej | go rummaging around on garbage day for old ditched computers |
| 08:00.19 | Kevin` | the ram usually works in those :) |
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| 08:00.35 | Guerin | sandman: then you turn klogd and the bell off, and back up plenty ;) |
| 08:00.50 | cast | sandman: depends where the bad ram is, though. go. map it out! i wanna hear how well ti works |
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| 08:01.10 | sandman | I've noticed also that a month ago, nothing in debsums -a showed "FAILED" status. But today, there are about 20 instances of "FAILED" from it. |
| 08:01.36 | sandman | Well, I'll just say right off this system is a Frankenstein, total piece of junk. Windows can't even run on it, it just bluescreens all the time. |
| 08:01.48 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:01.49 | sandman | But I've had it for about 5 years. |
| 08:01.54 | Guerin | and it works |
| 08:01.55 | Guerin | mostly |
| 08:01.55 | sandman | And it hasn't crashed once |
| 08:02.02 | Guerin | i had a car like that, once |
| 08:02.11 | Kevin` | you have run memtest86+, yes? |
| 08:02.14 | sandman | HDD is broken. CD-ROM fails regularly, and yes I know the RAM is completely borked. |
| 08:02.20 | sandman | Kevin`: Oh yeah, it's wrought with errors. |
| 08:02.26 | Kevin` | ok :D |
| 08:02.32 | sandman | But I almost want to keep it working just because I can. |
| 08:02.47 | sandman | I really don't know how Linux survives this much bad hardware... |
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| 08:03.00 | Kevin` | I suspect luck mostly |
| 08:03.10 | Guerin | strong systems route around local failure |
| 08:03.11 | sandman | Kevin`: 5 years without a crash? |
| 08:03.16 | Kevin` | 'good design' could be there somewhere, but who knows :) |
| 08:03.22 | sandman | lol |
| 08:03.24 | sandman | I suppose. |
| 08:03.28 | Kevin` | i'm really suprised it works with bad ram areas |
| 08:03.42 | Kevin` | maybe the area where the kernel is stuck is always good |
| 08:04.13 | cast | i wonder how corrupted your files are becoming |
| 08:05.00 | vorpal | i am the kernel. for $5 i will spare your files |
| 08:05.48 | MoonSwan | yer cheap |
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| 08:06.06 | Guerin | what is the colonel going to do with $5? |
| 08:06.09 | vorpal | well, you know... |
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| 08:07.36 | Noborusan | Kevin`, fstab ? |
| 08:07.48 | Kevin` | yes?? |
| 08:07.58 | Noborusan | you said show me yours ? |
| 08:08.09 | Kevin` | I posted it a while ago, http://kwzs.be/fstab.txt |
| 08:08.18 | Noborusan | oh didn't notice,checking |
| 08:08.24 | pringat | any other advice about what to check why removable devices are not mounted any more after an upgrade (gnome-control-center/removable devices and media, automount options are selected). thx |
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| 08:10.19 | sandman | cast: What I've been doing is just running debsums -a | grep FAILED | less, going through the list and using apt-file search on them, then reinstalling the package. |
| 08:10.22 | Guerin | pringat: check BTS |
| 08:10.33 | sandman | So while it's breaking down, it's rebuilding :) |
| 08:10.46 | cast | sandman: ahh but those are unimportant, what of your datas |
| 08:10.47 | vorpal | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:10.54 | Kevin` | sandman go remap your ram =p |
| 08:11.05 | Kevin` | sandman I assume your hard drive has bad sectors too? |
| 08:11.07 | vorpal | plug it in* |
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| 08:11.22 | sandman | Kevin`: I'm pretty sure it does... but I'm not sure. |
| 08:11.26 | sandman | err... |
| 08:11.35 | sandman | Let me reword that. I don't have conclusive evidence. |
| 08:11.42 | Kevin` | you haven't tested? |
| 08:11.47 | sandman | But I think it does. RAM has quite a few bad areas, though. |
| 08:11.50 | sandman | Hrm... no. |
| 08:11.53 | Kevin` | Heh |
| 08:12.02 | Kevin` | well, get the ram fixed first |
| 08:12.10 | sandman | Kevin`: And I do that using memtest? |
| 08:12.10 | Kevin` | that can cause problems in the testing programs even |
| 08:12.19 | Kevin` | memtest just finds the bad areas |
| 08:12.29 | sandman | I see. |
| 08:12.32 | Kevin` | http://badmem.sourceforge.net/docu/BadMEM-HOWTO.html |
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| 08:12.46 | cast | sandman: fuse zfs has self healing support, should try it :) |
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| 08:13.26 | Kevin` | I would personally stick with the tried and true for filesystem on a computer like that |
| 08:13.31 | mosno | apt_preferences(5) mentions an Archive line in the Release file, but all I see is a Suite line. Does Archive == Suite? |
| 08:13.33 | pringat | Guerin: let's see if I'm able to find some useful there... I'm an in eternum newbie |
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| 08:13.56 | sandman | Kevin`: I just find it astonishing that I can still use this piece of junk. |
| 08:13.59 | Guerin | pringat: good luck. |
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| 08:14.08 | Nenillo | hi, how can I limit the download speed of apt-get? |
| 08:14.39 | mosno | Nenillo: probably with iproute2 + iptables |
| 08:14.40 | streuner | use a slower mirror? |
| 08:14.46 | cast | streuner: lol. good call. |
| 08:14.47 | titii | helo there, i would like to authorize my FTP, but if i login , the FTP client says me the 530 This FTP server is anonymous only.. how can I change it? thank you |
| 08:14.51 | proqesi | sandman: I have a system like that, I find it to be a waste of time and I could at any moment lose everything |
| 08:14.52 | Nenillo | :P |
| 08:14.58 | streuner | Nenillo: why do you think you need that? |
| 08:15.04 | Guerin | Nenillo: just use trickle |
| 08:15.10 | Guerin | iproute2 is overkill |
| 08:15.17 | MoonSwan | trickle? |
| 08:15.22 | sandman | proqesi: You're probably right about the waste of time bit. |
| 08:15.23 | streuner | !find trickle |
| 08:15.24 | Nenillo | because the updates is disturbing some streamings... |
| 08:15.29 | Guerin | apt actually has a built-in rate-limited, but it's undocumented |
| 08:15.37 | Guerin | trickle FTW |
| 08:15.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'trickle' (3 of 5): (/etc/trickled.conf, /usr/lib/trickle/trickle-overload.so, /usr/share/lintian/overrides/trickle) in net/trickle ;; (/usr/share/doc/db4.5-doc/api_c/memp_trickle.html, /usr/share/doc/db4.5-doc/api_cxx/memp_trickle.html) in doc/db4.5-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/db4.3-doc/api_c/memp_trickle.html, /usr/share/doc/db4.3-doc/api_cxx/memp_trickle.html) in libs/db4.3-doc. |
| 08:15.43 | cast | Guerin: awesome, does anyone know how to use it? |
| 08:15.45 | mosno | Guerin: cool i never knew abot trickle |
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| 08:16.12 | Guerin | cast: i found it once, years ago - but it's not documented. Or wasn't when I looked, anyhow. |
| 08:16.24 | streuner | !info trickle |
| 08:16.25 | \inode0 | I wanna know about this apt rate limiter |
| 08:16.26 | Guerin | cast: it's a -o option |
| 08:16.40 | mosno | so no-one knows why Archive line can't be found in my Release file? |
| 08:16.50 | Noborusan | Kevin`, i checked your fstab, do you have more than 1 hdd installed on that server ? |
| 08:17.06 | Kevin` | no, Noborusan |
| 08:17.12 | dpkg | trickle: (user-space bandwidth shaper), section net, is optional. Version: 1.07-4 (sid), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 104 kB |
| 08:17.32 | MoonSwan | nifty |
| 08:17.37 | MoonSwan | thx Guerin |
| 08:17.40 | seanp2k | anyone have any recomendations for a good PDF ebook reader? |
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| 08:17.45 | Noborusan | Kevin`, i see |
| 08:17.57 | streuner | seanw: xpdf? |
| 08:18.18 | streuner | seanp2k: xpdf? |
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| 08:18.43 | cast | careful, ebook might need adobe |
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| 08:18.50 | proqesi | seanp2k: ps2ascii works best for me, then I can use a *real* text editor |
| 08:19.00 | Guerin | seanp2k: evince, if you can stomach the gnomitude |
| 08:19.05 | seanp2k | steve: rightnow I use evince |
| 08:19.29 | seanp2k | proqesi: does that convert PDF to plaintext? |
| 08:19.36 | proqesi | seanp2k: yes |
| 08:19.59 | seanp2k | p.s. i have no clue who steve is, i'm just tab completion happy |
| 08:20.04 | Guerin | ascii does not include bold, italics and stuff |
| 08:20.09 | Guerin | so it's usually not a good choice |
| 08:20.20 | seanp2k | they need a T9 esque input method where you can hit tab to complete words in any program |
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| 08:20.44 | seanp2k | like bash command competion only system wide |
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| 08:22.01 | haak | !skype |
| 08:22.01 | dpkg | it has been said that skype is a proprietary cross-platform VoIP application. See http://www.skype.com/. It uses a proprietary protocol. Unofficial debs (they are built by Skype Limited) are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ |
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| 08:23.34 | proqesi | hg rocks |
| 08:23.57 | Guerin | dpkg, skype is also an evil obfuscated black-box that could communicating *absolutely* any of your data with third parties |
| 08:23.58 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 08:24.30 | cast | Guerin: thats my opinion of just about any networked closed source app :) |
| 08:24.32 | Guerin | dpkg, skype ~= s/could/could be/ |
| 08:24.37 | Guerin | dpkg, skype =~ s/could/could be/ |
| 08:24.37 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 08:24.46 | Guerin | cast: in skype's case it's even more so |
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| 08:27.09 | Guerin | cast: if you're a computer scientist, http://blackhat.com/presentations/bh-europe-06/bh-eu-06-biondi/bh-eu-06-biondi-up.pdf should be of more use to you than it was to me |
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| 08:29.36 | proqesi | Guerin: that URL isn't opening |
| 08:30.04 | cast | http://opensores.thebunker.net/pub/mirrors/blackhat/presentations/bh-europe-06/bh-eu-06-biondi/bh-eu-06-biondi-up.pdf perhaps |
| 08:30.15 | cast | [3MB] |
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| 08:32.24 | cast | interesting @ pdf |
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| 08:39.58 | Noborusan | Kevin`, it doesnt work,im trying it in vmware |
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| 08:40.21 | Noborusan | it says / is not mounted, unknown mount point ,bad option quota |
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| 08:43.12 | cast | Noborusan: and when you pass that fancy boot option [instead perhaps]? |
| 08:43.34 | Noborusan | cast, i dont get it |
| 08:43.59 | titii | Hey, i've create one FTP account, set the home dir, i login, and home dir is ok, but there is also access to go upper, into my debian sys folder /etc/, and so on... how to set to didnt go upper dir? thank you |
| 08:44.00 | Noborusan | cast, its now stopped at starting syslogd |
| 08:44.03 | cast | i pasted a link a while ago. but nevermind |
| 08:44.22 | cast | titii: well an ftpd will often have a chroot option |
| 08:44.32 | Noborusan | cast, oh wait,finally it gets to #prompt |
| 08:45.05 | titii | cast i have to look into vsftpd.conf< |
| 08:45.13 | cast | titii: for chroot, yes :) |
| 08:45.57 | titii | cast chroot_local_user = YES |
| 08:46.22 | titii | cast but it is commented, i try to uncoment and set NO |
| 08:47.06 | titii | cast doesnt work |
| 08:47.09 | Noborusan | The error in dmesg says: XFS: unknown mount option [usrquota]. |
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| 08:47.24 | foo | Can someone shoot the factoid at me for how to install lame-dev? |
| 08:47.37 | cast | titii: perhaps read the documentation, why you'd set it to NO when you want YES i am not sure aside from a misunderstanding |
| 08:47.53 | cast | titii: and vsftpd has to reload its conf file in all likelyhood |
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| 08:48.35 | cast | foo: debian-multimedia perhaps |
| 08:48.37 | solars | hey, are there any problems with nvidia-glx in unstable? xorg reports module "nvidia" not found |
| 08:48.41 | andrago | I'm trying to compile mysql with openssl, I'd installed openssl with apt-get install openssl, but the compiler can't find the openssl installation. Should I add something to --with-openssl or I should install more packets? |
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| 08:49.12 | cast | andrago: you might want the dev package |
| 08:49.24 | Gathond | andrago: openssl-dev |
| 08:49.37 | cast | foo: p liblame-dev - LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder |
| 08:49.53 | foo | cast: hm, is that in non-free? |
| 08:50.04 | cast | no, its in debian-multimedia |
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| 08:50.19 | foo | cast: oh, that's an actual repository now? Heh, boy am I out of the loop |
| 08:50.33 | cast | !tell foo about debian-multimedia |
| 08:50.43 | foo | thanks |
| 08:50.47 | cast | np |
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| 08:51.19 | cast | Noborusan: i pasted a link before, with a fellow who had the same problem. i suggest you look at that and see if its relevent if you have not looked already |
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| 08:51.31 | foo | cast: hm, adding debian-multimedia to the end of my sources doesn't seem to work |
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| 08:52.22 | Noborusan | hmm |
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| 08:53.06 | foo | cast: multimedia alone doesn't work either, hmph |
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| 08:55.55 | tarzeau | !hold |
| 08:55.55 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
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| 08:56.58 | foo | cast: Nevermind, I googled :) |
| 08:57.19 | foo | cast: The factoid should link to the site |
| 08:57.29 | cast | foo: then make it. |
| 08:57.39 | foo | cast: oh, anyone can edit a factoid? How do I ? |
| 08:58.12 | cast | " echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> ...." i feel thats close enough to linking to the site? |
| 08:58.31 | foo | cast: That wasn't in the factoid you sent me |
| 08:58.46 | cast | i sent you debian-multimedia |
| 08:58.59 | cast | will show you progression :) |
| 08:59.04 | cast | !debian-multimedia |
| 08:59.05 | dpkg | it has been said that debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 08:59.05 | foo | !debian-multimedia |
| 08:59.08 | cast | notie the end part |
| 08:59.12 | cast | notice* |
| 08:59.16 | cast | !debian-multimedia.etch |
| 08:59.17 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root) |
| 08:59.17 | foo | ohhhh |
| 08:59.29 | foo | err, I thought that was an e-mail address and my eyes skimmed it. whoops. thanks, my bad. |
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| 09:00.13 | andrago | thx Gathond and cast |
| 09:01.09 | DawnLight | hello friends. why does "ntfsmount /dev/hda5 D" as user tell me "Error opening partition device : Permission denied"? |
| 09:01.24 | Maakuth | you can't mount if you aren't root |
| 09:01.42 | seanp2k | try the same command prefaced with sudo |
| 09:01.56 | seanp2k | and let us know how that goes |
| 09:02.15 | seanp2k | sudo ntfsmount /dev/hda5 D |
| 09:02.51 | DawnLight | i don't have sudo |
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| 09:03.17 | lymeca | So the FSF recommends against using Debian because there is non-free software in the precompiled Linux kernel package in the form of sourceless firmware... is there anything else in the 'main' section though? If the sourceless firmware was removed from the Debian Linux kernel package would it be 100% Free accoriding to both the DFSG and FSF (main section anyway)? |
| 09:03.33 | DawnLight | i can do it as root but then i'll have to specify permissions to let users rw |
| 09:03.41 | cast | lymeca: i think main is pretty clean aside from linux |
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| 09:04.16 | solars | if I want to install nvidia-glx on unstable, depends on nvidia-kernel-xxx which is not available in the archives, how do I solve this ? |
| 09:04.23 | cast | lymeca: the other issue was non-free repo, but those aren't enabled by default. ironically GFDL stuff with immutable parts ends up in non-free too |
| 09:04.42 | lymeca | cast: And could one compile a specific Debian kernel package sans binary-only firmware? |
| 09:04.59 | lymeca | I don't mind the existence of non-free,as it's technically not considered part of Debian anyway. |
| 09:05.11 | cast | lymeca: isn't gnewsense[sp?] a set of scripts to clean up a ubuntu/debian system, |
| 09:05.22 | lymeca | Proprietary software in 'main' is worrisome though |
| 09:05.35 | cast | oh, or perhaps its not. i thought there were scripts somewhere...hmmm |
| 09:05.39 | lymeca | cast: I was under the impression that gnewsense was an entire distribution based on Ubuntu |
| 09:05.41 | DawnLight | solars: like living on the edge? |
| 09:06.41 | cast | lymeca: yes, you are right. i was mistaken, though perhaps an ancestor of it was what i thought it was |
| 09:07.47 | cast | 'To create gNewSense we needed to produce a set of scripts. We called this building method Builder and these scripts allow anyone to to build their own distribution.' - perhaps they have one to clean the debian/ubuntu kpkgs |
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| 09:08.20 | azeem | cast: those scripts aren't about Freeness, they are about making a derived distribution, I think |
| 09:08.31 | azeem | because obviously they wouldn't use LaunchPad for that |
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| 09:08.57 | solars | DawnLight, need to |
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| 09:09.53 | ChangedNick | hello all, does debian work on notebook Toshiba Satellite A200-14E? |
| 09:09.56 | DawnLight | seanp2k: running "ntfsmount /dev/hda5 /home/keren/D -o umask=0" gives out "fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory" |
| 09:09.58 | ChangedNick | can I install it on it? |
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| 09:10.15 | ChangedNick | http://www.jump.co.za/Product/Toshiba-Satellite-A200-14E-2-0Ghz-Intel-Duo-Core-T2450-5021986.htm |
| 09:10.17 | DawnLight | solars: no way around it |
| 09:10.20 | Noborusan | anyone know what does this mean ? XFS: unknown mount option [usrquota] |
| 09:10.23 | cast | http://svn.gnewsense.svnhopper.net/gnewsense/builder/trunk/gen-kernel looks like that goes through and removes the firmware issues, though |
| 09:10.38 | DawnLight | solars: no way around it? i hope its not for a desktop computer |
| 09:10.56 | seanp2k | DawnLight: don't know what to tell you, never really done this before sucessfully, sorry |
| 09:10.57 | lymeca | Is there a way to check what proprietary firmware is currently still inside the kernel packages for etch/lenny/sid? |
| 09:11.11 | solars | no way around it :) besides that, debian unstable is pretty stable :) |
| 09:11.30 | azeem | solars: eh, nio |
| 09:11.31 | azeem | no* |
| 09:11.47 | titii | Hey, i've create one FTP account, set the home dir, i login, and home dir is ok, but there is also access to go upper, into my debian sys folder /etc/, and so on... how to set to didnt go upper dir? thank you |
| 09:11.53 | solars | well I'm using it for about 8 years now or so, and it is :) |
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| 09:12.06 | ChangedNick | nobody knows? |
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| 09:12.37 | ^NaTacHa^ | titii: use chroot, prolly some option in the ftpd your using |
| 09:12.53 | azeem | solars: that's your business, please don't advertise unstable in here |
| 09:13.09 | cast | lymeca: you, aside from making your own clean linux-image, have the option of debian gnu/kfreebsd :) |
| 09:13.17 | solars | azeem, lol I'm not advertising it in any way |
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| 09:13.24 | crissi | hello |
| 09:13.25 | cast | lymeca: which is indeed not finished, but certainly usuable |
| 09:13.30 | azeem | 11:08 < solars> no way around it :) besides that, debian unstable is pretty stable :) |
| 09:13.43 | solars | thats just an opinion? |
| 09:13.44 | azeem | solars: that is pretty misleading |
| 09:13.47 | crissi | i'm looking for a debian package of the iwlwifi driver for 2.6.22 |
| 09:13.48 | titii | ^NaTacHa^ i am watching some chroot... in vsftpd.conf, but i dont know how it set |
| 09:13.49 | solars | alright |
| 09:13.51 | DawnLight | seanp2k: fuse module wasn't loaded :) |
| 09:13.53 | azeem | solars: right, so keep it to yourself |
| 09:14.11 | Guerin | titii: man vsftpd.conf - it's quite easy in vsftpd |
| 09:14.14 | titii | ^NaTacHa^ both chroot_... optioons are disablerd |
| 09:14.17 | Guerin | (unlike in some other ftpds) |
| 09:14.19 | lymeca | cast: Aye, I'm probably going to look into both options, but even so I have an interest in seeing no proprietary software in Debian's 'main' whatsoever, so I'd like to know how much is currently there.... |
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| 09:14.58 | titii | Guerin so tell me exactly what i have to set, what values, please |
| 09:14.59 | azeem | lymeca: it's firmware, not software |
| 09:14.59 | crissi | anyone here which has seen packages of iwlwifi for lenny ? |
| 09:15.04 | Guerin | titii: man vsftpd |
| 09:15.26 | Guerin | titii: i'm not going to spoon-feed you; I don't currently have it set up. Your a ftp admin; do some administration. |
| 09:15.27 | titii | Guerin :( |
| 09:15.32 | Guerin | argh |
| 09:15.35 | Guerin | you're! |
| 09:15.49 | Guerin | the interwebs broken your thing is contagious |
| 09:15.59 | pocukrani | anybody have problems with psybnc? my psybnc not reconnect when my IPS disconnected me for short time; i`m using debian etch |
| 09:17.19 | pocukrani | i`m only user |
| 09:17.42 | pocukrani | everytime when this happends i need to kill proces and run it again |
| 09:18.35 | cast | just for the sake of my grammar, is it 'a ftp' or 'an ftp'? |
| 09:19.30 | cast | lymeca: if you haven't already read it, |
| 09:19.31 | liable | only an before vowels? |
| 09:19.37 | cast | lymeca: http://wiki.debian.org/KernelFirmwareLicensing |
| 09:19.40 | liable | or some shit |
| 09:19.57 | crissi | anyone here which has seen packages of iwlwifi for lenny ? |
| 09:20.02 | liable | i am teh grammar hater! |
| 09:20.03 | mavhc | it's an ftp, because f is pronounced "eff" |
| 09:20.15 | liable | crissi: you have to make it yourself i think |
| 09:20.21 | crissi | :( |
| 09:20.32 | Guerin | mavhc: there's actually linguistic debate on that, would you believe |
| 09:20.41 | crissi | it should be in debian because iwlwifi is now free |
| 09:20.48 | mavhc | Guerin: they need some reason to keep their jobs |
| 09:21.16 | liable | crissi: when the 22 kernel with the mac stack hits debian, it will make it easier to package |
| 09:21.24 | crissi | its there |
| 09:21.27 | chowmeined | as a native english speaker.. its quite simple |
| 09:21.34 | liable | for < .222 IT NEEDS KERNEL PATCHES |
| 09:21.40 | liable | oops |
| 09:21.44 | chowmeined | i setup an ftp server |
| 09:21.52 | crissi | but it seems that the linux-headers-2.6.22 wont work :( |
| 09:21.55 | mavhc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_and_an |
| 09:22.01 | Guerin | ah yes, another computer person who believes only physical scientists do any useful research |
| 09:22.08 | chowmeined | there is no debate, that is just how it naturally is said |
| 09:22.36 | chowmeined | wow that was funny |
| 09:22.59 | crissi | liable: can you made a package for 2.6.22-1 ? |
| 09:23.38 | liable | crissi: is there a debian 22 kernel out already? |
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| 09:23.49 | crissi | yes... in lenny |
| 09:23.57 | liable | and it has mac80211? |
| 09:24.07 | liable | no reason it shouldnt.. |
| 09:24.12 | liable | but you never know |
| 09:24.13 | crissi | if im right 2.6.22 contains it?! |
| 09:24.29 | liable | try modprobing the module |
| 09:24.30 | h3sp4wn | It does but most of the actual drivers are against wireless-git still |
| 09:24.37 | azeem | testing still has .21 |
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| 09:25.01 | chowmeined | so i submitted my patch to the bug tracker, but nobody responds? |
| 09:25.01 | crissi | unstable here |
| 09:25.08 | azeem | crissi: you said lenny |
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| 09:25.19 | Guerin | chowmeined: how long ago? |
| 09:25.21 | crissi | lenny/sid |
| 09:25.23 | liable | !confuse crissi |
| 09:25.23 | dpkg | No, who is my pants tomorrow, crissi? pants of the democracy of mongolia with extra herring |
| 09:25.24 | chowmeined | hark: how did you manage that? |
| 09:25.28 | azeem | crissi: it's either lenny or sid |
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| 09:25.42 | crissi | its sid :-D |
| 09:25.53 | chowmeined | Guerin: 3 days ago |
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| 09:26.17 | chowmeined | ill admit, it was a pretty lousy patch |
| 09:26.21 | chowmeined | but the bug is serious |
| 09:26.28 | liable | crissi: well, i have no idea which driver version it will work with, but i suggest you try a few of the slightly older ones |
| 09:26.32 | azeem | chowmeined: which bug number? |
| 09:26.33 | chowmeined | ipsec-tools is completely broken on ultrasparc (etch) |
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| 09:26.44 | h3sp4wn | crissi: Have a look at the sidux kernel sources (they have wireless-git and mac80211) |
| 09:26.56 | liable | crissi: or just compile a vanilla kernel and patch it, or try the wireless-dev kernel |
| 09:27.02 | azeem | chowmeined: stable packages aren't fixed in a hurry |
| 09:27.07 | ^NaTacHa^ | is xen working on x64 ?, see alot of different views on my searches |
| 09:27.10 | chowmeined | but it doesnt work at all |
| 09:27.13 | Guerin | (unless it's security) |
| 09:27.20 | chowmeined | racoon crashes on start on ultrasparc |
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| 09:27.26 | azeem | chowmeined: which bug numberß |
| 09:27.28 | azeem | ? |
| 09:27.38 | chowmeined | azeem: 385018 |
| 09:27.39 | h3sp4wn | ^NaTacHa^: It does work but not as well as x86 currently |
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| 09:28.33 | chowmeined | azeem: i have a better patch than the one i posted.. (that one leaks memory) |
| 09:28.37 | azeem | chowmeined: the bug is open for almost a year |
| 09:28.40 | ^NaTacHa^ | need to install afew boxes with xen, not sure what to choose |
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| 09:29.08 | chowmeined | azeem: yea i saw that |
| 09:29.17 | h3sp4wn | ^NaTacHa^: all the xen kernels are now pae - good for upto 64GB of ram |
| 09:29.31 | azeem | chowmeined: if you have a better patch, add it to the report - bug too many iterations might make people cautious |
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| 09:29.53 | azeem | chowmeined: also, try to get upstream to acknowledge the bug/patch in your (or another) fix, then mention that |
| 09:30.22 | chowmeined | azeem: ok good idea, cause it still affects upstream also |
| 09:30.29 | h3sp4wn | chowmeined: Are you using a 64 bit kernel with a 32 bit userland ? |
| 09:30.46 | chowmeined | h3sp4wn: thats how the debian sparc distro comes |
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| 09:31.38 | h3sp4wn | chowmeined: Tried compiling a 64bit ipsec-tools ? |
| 09:31.55 | azeem | h3sp4wn: is that helping etch users |
| 09:32.15 | chowmeined | h3sp4wn: really, the problem is cause they did some dumb stuff with the structs so it is misaligned on sparc |
| 09:32.41 | amee2k | how can i intercept everything that comes out on my speaker port (i'm using alsa, debian 4.0) so i can stream it to an incecast server? |
| 09:33.02 | chowmeined | h3sp4wn: it crashes with SIGBUS |
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| 09:34.14 | Noborusan | How do i check if quota has been enabled in the default kernel in etch ? |
| 09:34.44 | CAiRO_ | how can i specify an ssh password on command line without using the authorized_keys mechanism? |
| 09:34.54 | liable | grep -i quota /boot/config-`uname-r` |
| 09:34.56 | Guerin | amee2k: you probably want to use jack or something |
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| 09:35.29 | Guerin | CAiRO_: you mean `how can I log in automatically', right? |
| 09:35.44 | Guerin | CAiRO_: you don't literally want to run a password in cleartext over the command line? |
| 09:35.50 | h3sp4wn | azeem: no ? |
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| 09:36.07 | CAiRO_ | Guerin: yes, and i cannot use authorized keys because i only have limited access to my web hosters server |
| 09:36.29 | CAiRO_ | Guerin: i could live with that, i cannot do much anyway, i don't have write access to the home directory |
| 09:36.37 | Guerin | CAiRO_: wtf. |
| 09:36.39 | chowmeined | h3sp4wn: ill try compiling 64bit and see what happens |
| 09:36.45 | Guerin | CAiRO_: do then not provide ftp access? |
| 09:36.49 | Noborusan | liable, thanks,seems by default CONFIG_QUOTA and CONFIG_XFS_QUOTAO are enabled |
| 09:36.50 | liable | what kind of shit hosting is that? |
| 09:36.51 | chowmeined | h3sp4wn: compiling with -O0 makes it work but it crashes with -O2 |
| 09:36.55 | Guerin | s/then/they/ |
| 09:37.12 | CAiRO_ | Guerin: sure, they do.. but i'd like to use ssh |
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| 09:37.44 | Guerin | CAiRO_: ssh doesn't allow insecure password-based logins, so you're out of luck there. |
| 09:38.06 | Guerin | CAiRO_: withgout shell access on the host you're mostly unable to change that, too |
| 09:38.07 | amee2k | Guerin: looks promising, if it works to intercept the audio stream right before it leaves the box |
| 09:38.19 | Guerin | amee2k: i'm not sure on the details |
| 09:39.09 | CAiRO_ | Guerin: i have shell access... and i think i've found a way, it's only hat you need to run additional scripts to make it work and that would require me to change lots of other scripts, i really wonder why there's no password option for the command line |
| 09:39.39 | Guerin | CAiRO_: because it's disgustingly insecure, and then they'd have to change the name of the service to issh |
| 09:39.45 | liable | amee2k: see the aplay shizzle towrds the end of this article |
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| 09:40.04 | liable | http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Saa7134-alsa |
| 09:40.15 | liable | err, arecord |
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| 09:41.42 | karmatronic | hi there |
| 09:41.57 | chowmeined | azeem: is there someone i could send it to, to have it reviewed before i post it?.. or should I try to get it into upstream first |
| 09:42.19 | CAiRO_ | Guerin: look there: http://marc.info/?l=secure-shell&m=113872346215286&w=2 .. you can do it, but it required running additional scripts, that's my real problem |
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| 09:43.04 | Guerin | CAiRO_: how you're going to do that without write access to ~ is the trick |
| 09:43.27 | karmatronic | CAiRO_: what are you trying to do? |
| 09:43.47 | Guerin | karmatronic: allow other people to log into his shell host |
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| 09:43.54 | CAiRO_ | Guerin: i don't need that for that way, and i have write access to a sub directories on ~ of course |
| 09:43.54 | Guerin | karmatronic: though he doesn't seem to realise this |
| 09:44.09 | Guerin | CAiRO_: such as .ssh/authorized_keys? |
| 09:44.16 | amee2k | liable: looks interresting. thank you :) |
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| 09:44.26 | CAiRO_ | Guerin: no, there is no ~/.ssh directory and i cannot create it |
| 09:44.32 | liable | np |
| 09:44.36 | Guerin | CAiRO_: your host sucks. |
| 09:44.42 | Guerin | yeesh |
| 09:44.47 | CAiRO_ | karmatronic: i want to find a way to log into my web providers ssh server automatically and i cannot use authorized keys |
| 09:45.01 | CAiRO_ | Guerin: might be, but i cannot change it |
| 09:45.05 | liable | ask them to give you a scp account? |
| 09:45.12 | Guerin | but you can use the ftp access they give you |
| 09:45.28 | Guerin | liable: he has a ssh account, but no privkey login |
| 09:45.45 | liable | i thought he didnt have a ssh account? |
| 09:45.47 | karmatronic | CAiRO_: maybe using expect ,although i dont know if it supports ssh |
| 09:45.50 | Guerin | that might be the best idea though - ask them to create and give you write access to .ssh/ |
| 09:45.55 | Guerin | karmatronic: it doesn't |
| 09:45.57 | yangvnc | Can someone tell me when will rt2500-source move from unstable to testing , its been 13 days since that package was created...? |
| 09:46.11 | liable | yangvnc: no |
| 09:46.16 | Guerin | !why is rt2500-source not in testing |
| 09:46.16 | dpkg | rt2500-source is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=rt2500-source |
| 09:46.23 | liable | !incoming |
| 09:46.23 | dpkg | incoming is probably to be used at your own risk, packages are even dodgier than unstable(see break) but can be got from http://incoming.debian.org/ (but not ftp), or http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-resources#s-incoming-system |
| 09:46.23 | Guerin | yangvnc: check there ↑ |
| 09:47.34 | yangvnc | Guerin: i think its all right, just 2 paykages fail for other platforms... |
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| 09:48.09 | liable | yangvnc: so manually install the deb, it shouldnt have any depends not in testing |
| 09:48.36 | yangvnc | liable: shall i try the .deb from unstable on lenny? |
| 09:49.15 | liable | yes, its only a source deb (normally you shouldn't, but in this case it should be fine) |
| 09:49.56 | Noborusan | does anyone know in menu.1st ,where shall i add a root flags ? |
| 09:50.07 | Noborusan | such as append="rootflags=xxxx" |
| 09:50.11 | tarzeau | Noborusan: lst not 1st |
| 09:50.21 | liable | ##options or ##kopt |
| 09:50.31 | Noborusan | under options ? |
| 09:50.46 | tarzeau | but i agree the debian grub config file handling is a mess |
| 09:50.54 | liable | why? |
| 09:51.03 | titii | Hey, i've create one FTP account, set the home dir, i login, and home dir is ok, but there is also access to go upper, into my debian sys folder /etc/, and so on... how to set to didnt go upper dir? thank you |
| 09:51.03 | tarzeau | liable: tried using password protected entries? |
| 09:51.10 | liable | tarzeau: nope |
| 09:51.23 | tarzeau | liable: lucky you :) |
| 09:51.37 | tarzeau | liable: update-grub needs a rewrite (it's being worked on with grub2) |
| 09:51.44 | tarzeau | doesn't support passwords yet |
| 09:51.55 | liable | oh |
| 09:52.06 | Noborusan | I need to add this string to menu.lst ,but where ? |
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| 09:52.09 | tarzeau | liable: the original author of update-grub had it like with 50 lines, the current one has 1193 /usr/sbin/update-grub |
| 09:52.12 | Noborusan | append="rootflags=usrquota,grpquota ro" |
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| 09:52.19 | liable | tarzeau: yikes |
| 09:52.26 | liable | Noborusan: i told you |
| 09:52.35 | tarzeau | liable: ack. not that shell scripts wouldn't scale. but the update-grub in debian is just broken |
| 09:52.37 | liable | well, i told the channel.. |
| 09:53.01 | tarzeau | a lot of things can be made to scale. but some things are just made in a way it's hard without a rewrite |
| 09:53.17 | liable | i like turtles |
| 09:53.48 | tarzeau | liable: on the grill? http://www-tc.pbs.org/wnet/nature/reptiles/images/wallpaper/turtles_large.jpg?mii=1 |
| 09:54.06 | Noborusan | liable, you mean replace kopt to my string ? |
| 09:54.42 | liable | tarzeau: beleiev it or not, i have actually had turtle before ;) |
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| 09:54.59 | liable | Noborusan: you need to read that stuff about automagic in the file |
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| 09:55.59 | liable | the bit about "these are not comments" or such is telling |
| 09:56.12 | tarzeau | liable: i believe it, i mean what's so strange about it? it's probably not that easy to crack the turtle open, and then you won't get that much meat... |
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| 09:57.29 | liable | tarzeau: oh, they are big fuckers over here, theres a shitload of meat. and i think its basically just sinew holding the two shells together |
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| 09:58.15 | liable | nevermind them being protected, but i knew some indigenous folks who are allowd to eat em |
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| 09:59.36 | tarzeau | liable: i see, ok thanks |
| 09:59.36 | toresbe | I have a question regarding the secure apt client... |
| 09:59.42 | toresbe | tarzeau: hey :) |
| 09:59.43 | tarzeau | toresbe!!! |
| 09:59.51 | toresbe | tarzeau: How are you doing? |
| 09:59.55 | tarzeau | graphviz in sid is broken |
| 10:00.06 | tarzeau | toresbe: very busy and lots of intersting stuff, very fine. you? |
| 10:00.10 | toresbe | tarzeau: the same :) |
| 10:00.24 | jovans | wich notification prog for updates can i use under debian (kde) adept or other? |
| 10:00.26 | toresbe | When I do an apt-get install in my xen guest machine. I get "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! Install these packages without verification [y/N]?" |
| 10:00.37 | toresbe | However, I have the public keys registered in apt-key! |
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| 10:01.06 | Noborusan | in lilo, use append to add kernel options, how about it in grub ? |
| 10:01.18 | microtux | hi |
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| 10:01.56 | tarzeau | liable: one last: http://i1.treknature.com/photos/6841/turtles.jpg |
| 10:02.16 | microtux | how can i connect to Xserver with nis |
| 10:02.49 | liable | tarzeau: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y |
| 10:03.09 | microtux | any help? |
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| 10:03.33 | liable | tarzeau: tortoises! |
| 10:03.34 | titii | THE vsftpd.chroot_list DOESNT work |
| 10:04.39 | liable | Noborusan: add it to the ##kopt or ##options line |
| 10:04.51 | liable | no understandy engrish? |
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| 10:05.04 | Guerin | titii: file a bug |
| 10:05.26 | Guerin | titii: it worked for me when I used it |
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| 10:07.11 | microtux | how cn i allow Graphical access with nis?? |
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| 10:07.39 | Guerin | wtf |
| 10:07.44 | Guerin | !irritate microtux |
| 10:07.44 | dpkg | microtux: wenas where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol lol |
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| 10:08.39 | microtux | Guerin, so can u answer? |
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| 10:10.24 | titii | Guerin but how , i doesnt work for me, can you help? |
| 10:11.08 | titii | Guerin but how i set the ON for that options and in this file a i just put the user name in on line, save the file, restart the ftp, and it doesnt work |
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| 10:12.18 | haak | !kde |
| 10:12.19 | dpkg | kde is probably a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde, or ask me about <kde_trouble> |
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| 10:14.02 | TravellingSalesM | hi, i have a little problem, whatever movie player i use i first have to issue -vo x11 to be able to watch it, like mplayer -vo x11 filenames. can any one plz tell me how can i make it permanent so i don't need to issue this -vo x11 for every video player? |
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| 10:14.34 | diepes | so quite ? |
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| 10:16.29 | h3sp4wn | TravellingSalesM: Tried - vo_driver = "x11" in .mplayer/config |
| 10:16.30 | diepes | /msd dpkg anyone home |
| 10:16.47 | trumpen | too late |
| 10:16.51 | trumpen | :) |
| 10:16.59 | diepes | ah |
| 10:17.29 | diepes | first time i have been here and it is not buzzing |
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| 10:20.35 | war | hi |
| 10:20.45 | war | I run Debian testing how do I install the previous version of a package? |
| 10:21.08 | war | I just ran apt-get upgrade, I got the newer version of nut, 2.0.5-3+b1 , I want to go one version back. |
| 10:21.39 | war | ? |
| 10:23.49 | diepes | you could un-install the package, and the download the old deb and install it with dpkg -i packagename.deb, problem is it might require older lib's but it will complain |
| 10:23.52 | liable | yes, use aptitude or dpkg or even apt-get has a version flag iirc |
| 10:24.09 | liable | he should have it in cache unless he cleaned it |
| 10:24.26 | war | k |
| 10:24.44 | diepes | what is wrong with the new package ? |
| 10:25.10 | war | diepes: its being tracked on the mailing list |
| 10:25.14 | war | diepes: it has a bug I believe |
| 10:25.18 | war | verifying now |
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| 10:26.38 | war | diepes: erm anyone have the pin option for apt.conf so apt-get doesnt upgrade that pkg? will google in a bit if not :) |
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| 10:27.09 | liable | !hold |
| 10:27.09 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 10:27.23 | war | ahh nice th |
| 10:27.25 | war | thanks |
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| 10:30.31 | boro | hello |
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| 10:30.53 | boro | anyone experienced strange bridge behaviour with xen 3.1 and debian 4 ? |
| 10:31.38 | lou_gr | Hi. I get constantly timeouts from my pop3 server in linux while I have logged in. Is there something I can do about it? |
| 10:32.11 | Guerin | war: huh, what are you good for? |
| 10:33.00 | liable | fix your dns/net? |
| 10:33.31 | lou_gr | the dns resolve works... |
| 10:33.35 | war | !unhold |
| 10:33.35 | dpkg | hmm... unhold is echo packagename install | dpkg --set-selections |
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| 10:33.43 | war | just curious when I need to do that ;) |
| 10:34.13 | Guerin | war: c'mon, you' were supposed to say `nothing!' |
| 10:34.20 | Guerin | spoilsport |
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| 10:38.18 | lou_gr | the funny is that i can read my e-mail from another operating system, using exactly the same pop3 commands |
| 10:39.04 | liable | can you ping it from your linux box? |
| 10:39.12 | Guerin | lou_gr: from the same source address? |
| 10:39.13 | lou_gr | the firewall log don't block anything ... |
| 10:39.18 | liable | can you telnet to it is prolly better |
| 10:39.19 | war | Guerin: I am not from the 1970s |
| 10:39.19 | lou_gr | no |
| 10:39.21 | war | Guerin: ;P |
| 10:39.37 | Guerin | war: we can't all be perfect ;) |
| 10:39.47 | liable | war was invented in the 70's? |
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| 10:40.26 | lou_gr | the same happens with telnet. With the LIST command it timeouts |
| 10:40.31 | Guerin | liable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_(song) |
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| 10:40.49 | liable | Guerin: i have heard the cricket version ;) |
| 10:40.56 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:41.23 | liable | lou_gr: iptables -L says? |
| 10:44.36 | lou_gr | liable, take a look at #paste |
| 10:44.48 | lou_gr | :) |
| 10:45.05 | liable | no, either use a pastebin or #flood |
| 10:46.14 | lou_gr | http://www.pastebin.ca/636921 |
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| 10:48.31 | liable | what kind of retarded rules are they? |
| 10:48.44 | lou_gr | sorry? |
| 10:48.50 | liable | drop syn ack fin packets? |
| 10:49.43 | liable | lou_gr: what firewall package sre you using? |
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| 10:50.04 | lou_gr | no firewall package |
| 10:50.46 | liable | you made those rules yourself? |
| 10:50.53 | lou_gr | yes |
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| 10:52.33 | liable | i suggest you clear them and try and use your email |
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| 10:52.43 | diepes | lou_gr: maybe move "ACCEPT   0  -- anywhere       anywhere      state ESTABLISHED" to the top of input, and try again. |
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| 10:54.36 | liable | if you have made thses rules and have problems using the net why do you blame linux instead of fixing your rules? your initial questions led me to believe you were new to linux |
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| 10:55.05 | lou_gr | i don't have any problems with net |
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| 10:55.57 | lou_gr | i used to work with the same rules with sarge. Using evolution |
| 10:56.28 | _mauser_ | hey.. i'm wondering if there is a program to get an overview of software installed on a bunch of debian machines. i.e. what packages are installed, what versions.. |
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| 10:57.26 | cast | ssh host dpkg -l |
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| 10:57.38 | hermogenes | _mauser_: dpkg? |
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| 10:59.04 | _mauser_ | cast: yes, i mean something this way, but centralised. so that there is one single server which gathers this information from the clients and makes them available via a webserver or something |
| 11:00.17 | cast | for i in `cat hosts`; do ssh $i dpkg -l > /var/www/pkg-db/dpkg-out.txt; done |
| 11:00.31 | cast | uh, $i-dpkg-out.txt i mean |
| 11:00.44 | diepes | or >> |
| 11:00.50 | hermogenes | _mauser_: gathering this information from dpkg for each host and making some statistics ins't hard to do using some scripting language or even C |
| 11:00.53 | peterS | cast: yeah, I was gonna say, putting > in a loop doesn't seem useful |
| 11:01.11 | diepes | use the toolbox |
| 11:01.14 | peterS | cast: you can put the > /var/www/pkg-db/dpkg-out.txt _after_ the done, though, that would probably be what you want |
| 11:01.35 | diepes | or use >> append |
| 11:01.45 | peterS | oh, he corrected himself, he's redirecting to separate filenames |
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| 11:01.48 | cast | peterS: thought it would be nice to have one pkg list per host, in a dir |
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| 11:01.57 | _mauser_ | hermogenes, cast: yes, thats right. i had this on my mind this morning, but i wanted to know if such a software exists already |
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| 11:03.09 | hermogenes | _mauser_: its kind of trivial, so people write this things but release it |
| 11:03.10 | _mauser_ | cast: i think i would use a small database instead, like sqllite and python or something. thats easier if you want things like "show me all hosts running exim" or something |
| 11:03.13 | peterS | diepes: putting redirects at the end of a for or while loop is one of my favorite little tricks. it can save some typing, when you want to redirect multiple commands to the same place |
| 11:03.50 | hermogenes | _mauser_: *dont release it |
| 11:03.51 | diepes | peterS: so i learn |
| 11:04.08 | cast | _mauser_: could just grep in /var/www/pkg-db/*, but suit yourself |
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| 11:04.13 | andrago | can anyone conffirm that lipcre3-dev is pcre-dev package for debian? |
| 11:04.24 | andrago | sorry, libpcre3-dev |
| 11:04.24 | diepes | and the file's is in /var/www already published |
| 11:05.08 | peterS | come back, dpkg |
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| 11:05.14 | peterS | there we go |
| 11:05.54 | DragonD | i waited sooo long for ati to release a working driver and finnaly they did.. it worked great!! then comes the 2.6.21 kernel with GPL issues with the driver.... now i have to wait some more. so umm is there a was to install 2.6.22 from unstable with out upgrading? |
| 11:06.02 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 11:06.20 | HardDisk_WP | can I run KUbuntu and Debian on the same disk (but in different partitions)?? |
| 11:06.54 | hermogenes | HardDisk_WP: yes |
| 11:06.55 | peterS | HardDisk_WP: yes, but you may have to set up your boot loader area manually, I don't think the debian installer or the kubuntu installer will do the right thing automatically |
| 11:06.58 | DragonD | HardDisk_WP: create two partitions, install one then the other then check the grub menu to make it work |
| 11:07.05 | peterS | same with any multiple-linux install, really |
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| 11:08.14 | DragonD | peterS: strange isn't it.. linux installers check for windows but not other linux installs. windows installer checks for other windows but not linux installs... |
| 11:08.36 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 11:08.37 | HardDisk_WP | i want to use kubuntu for the multimedia stuff (video encoding) cuz i know it works...in debian nothing really works |
| 11:08.38 | Kevin` | DragonD it is a bit strange, actually :) |
| 11:08.47 | HardDisk_WP | ...and windows installers tend to f*ck up linux partitions |
| 11:08.54 | peterS | DragonD: I suppose having multiple grub instances, one of which chain-boots the others, would work. but which one would get to be the master? |
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| 11:09.01 | DragonD | HardDisk_WP: VERY much so |
| 11:09.10 | Kevin` | peterS the one you like the most or manage manually |
| 11:09.13 | hermogenes | DragonD: seems that the debian installer checks for whatever other os is in the harddrive |
| 11:09.19 | peterS | Kevin`: and the installers can figure this out how? |
| 11:10.04 | DragonD | hermogenes: what about other partitions? |
| 11:10.29 | DragonD | so is it possible to have a 2.6.22 kernel on lenny? |
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| 11:11.49 | HardDisk_WP | DragonD, yes |
| 11:12.33 | hermogenes | DragonD: other partitions? |
| 11:12.59 | DragonD | HardDisk_WP: was that a yes to kernel question? |
| 11:13.30 | DragonD | is athlon considered 686? |
| 11:13.34 | HardDisk_WP | yep. you can run any kernel on lenny (but I wouldn't try ancient versions) |
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| 11:14.12 | HardDisk_WP | that's a bit difficult - a generic x86 kernel will run...but it 'd be better if you check for a kernel version for athlon processors |
| 11:14.55 | DragonD | HardDisk_WP: i was gonna use the kernel packages from debian. for 2.6.22 it either 486 or 686 |
| 11:15.21 | DragonD | and mips but ummm yeah right |
| 11:15.38 | HardDisk_WP | debian lenny offers only 2.6.21 |
| 11:15.43 | HardDisk_WP | or do you run sid? |
| 11:15.51 | DragonD | lenny |
| 11:15.58 | HardDisk_WP | hm |
| 11:16.04 | DragonD | ati drivers wont compile on 2.6.21 |
| 11:16.16 | DragonD | but will on 2.6.22, or so i read |
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| 11:16.19 | HardDisk_WP | you 'll need to compile your own kernel |
| 11:16.45 | HardDisk_WP | and disable the PARAVIRT option at config |
| 11:16.54 | HardDisk_WP | I had same problem with NVIDIA stuff |
| 11:17.14 | DragonD | HardDisk_WP: in that case i'll keep 2.6.21 but i have no idea how to do that |
| 11:17.58 | DragonD | i've compiled kernels before in gentoo tho |
| 11:17.58 | Gnea | !k7 |
| 11:17.58 | dpkg | k7 is probably the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the AMD64, X2, FX, Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. |
| 11:18.10 | HardDisk_WP | Gnea, standard kernels dont use him anything |
| 11:18.13 | hermogenes | DragonD: Do it the debian way so you wont have headaches after if something go wrong |
| 11:18.18 | HardDisk_WP | they have paravirt enabled |
| 11:18.24 | HardDisk_WP | !kpkg mantra |
| 11:18.29 | Gnea | HardDisk_WP: right. |
| 11:18.33 | HardDisk_WP | !make-kpkg |
| 11:18.34 | dpkg | i guess make-kpkg is the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
| 11:18.47 | ^NaTacHa^ | what kernel should i use on an amd 6000+ x2, when i want to run xen ? |
| 11:19.01 | ^NaTacHa^ | etchly spreaking |
| 11:19.01 | HardDisk_WP | DragonD, follow make-kpkg and you'll have what you need |
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| 11:19.44 | HardDisk_WP | ^NaTacHa^, i think you'll have to build your own kernel, AFAIR it still requires manual patching to support XEN fully |
| 11:19.56 | DragonD | HardDisk_WP: ok, but when i ran make menuconfig eirler it gave errors, something about curses |
| 11:20.22 | HardDisk_WP | install the library |
| 11:20.30 | HardDisk_WP | apt-get install libcurses-dev or so |
| 11:20.31 | hermogenes | DragonD: you have to install the ncurses-dev package |
| 11:20.39 | Gnea | ^NaTacHa^: depends if you're running the host OS in native 64bit or not |
| 11:20.56 | HardDisk_WP | BTW, what is VLCs package name in debian?? |
| 11:21.04 | DragonD | ahhhh |
| 11:21.05 | HardDisk_WP | I run lenny and vlc aint in repo anymore :X |
| 11:21.10 | Gnea | !info vlc |
| 11:21.14 | dpkg | vlc: (multimedia player and streamer), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.6.c-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1116 kB, Installed size: 3144 kB |
| 11:21.28 | Gnea | HardDisk_WP: you're... using testing.. so of course it's going to come and go :P |
| 11:21.29 | HardDisk_WP | Package vlc is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 11:21.41 | HardDisk_WP | However the following packages replace it: |
| 11:21.42 | HardDisk_WP | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.50 | HardDisk_WP | but I have libvlc0 and still no vlc |
| 11:21.56 | Gnea | yeah, vlc was coming and going in etch when it was testing too, that's just how it is sometimes |
| 11:22.12 | Gnea | HardDisk_WP: it's wanting a newer version of libvlc0 that you can't get |
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| 11:22.35 | HardDisk_WP | hm |
| 11:22.50 | Gnea | that's the price of running bleeding-edge software :) |
| 11:23.05 | HardDisk_WP | hehe |
| 11:23.13 | HardDisk_WP | I mean, I also have the D-MM repo enabled... |
| 11:23.22 | DragonD | how big is a typical debain install.. eg after using it for like a few weeks |
| 11:23.23 | Gnea | drives me up the wall, but at least it tells me that the problem is being worked on |
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| 11:23.31 | cast | DragonD: depends entirely on the user. |
| 11:23.44 | Gnea | DragonD: that's a pretty vague question |
| 11:23.57 | hermogenes | DragonD: i am afraid there's no "typical" debian install |
| 11:24.04 | cast | DragonD: mines 1.7gb, minus /var [600mb] and /home |
| 11:24.05 | ^NaTacHa^ | harddisk: thats sounds no fun at all, compiling my own kernel |
| 11:24.36 | DragonD | mine is at 11GB after about 8days |
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| 11:25.00 | DragonD | where is the menuconfig is that paravirt thing |
| 11:25.18 | Gnea | DragonD: is that in /usr, /home or /var? |
| 11:25.20 | HardDisk_WP | DragonD, you have to search for it, menuconfig has a search function |
| 11:25.24 | DragonD | nvm |
| 11:25.32 | cast | ^NaTacHa^: linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-amd64 |
| 11:25.38 | DragonD | Gnea: everyhting |
| 11:26.10 | Gnea | DragonD: give me a break: du -sh /usr && du -sh /var && du -sh /home and find out what's really eating it up :) |
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| 11:27.40 | Gnea | DragonD: if you install tons of programs, then it's probably /usr, and the nice thing about debian is that you don't have to install every last thing, just what you need and/or what you want to check out |
| 11:28.23 | DragonD | 1.7G /usr |
| 11:28.23 | DragonD | 954M /var |
| 11:28.23 | DragonD | 7.1G /home |
| 11:28.31 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 11:28.35 | Gnea | you downloaded a lot of pr0n |
| 11:28.40 | DragonD | 7.1 home |
| 11:29.09 | Gnea | DragonD: yeah, that's your home directory, it has no bearing whatsoever on the programs themselves - it's all user data, so it's not debian's fault, it's yours :) |
| 11:29.13 | DragonD | ahhh wine/cedega |
| 11:29.23 | Gnea | yeah, that'd do it |
| 11:29.26 | Gnea | cedega is good, da |
| 11:29.49 | Gnea | my mistake, no pr0n :) |
| 11:30.12 | DragonD | Gnea: no pr0n yet* |
| 11:30.23 | Gnea | !beer DragonD |
| 11:31.09 | DragonD | thanks |
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| 11:33.31 | hermogenes | xpdf is giving me seg faults. I am wondering if should make a bug report |
| 11:33.53 | cast | if its xpdfs fault, sure |
| 11:34.10 | hermogenes | I backported xpdf 3.02 yesterday using pbuilder |
| 11:34.49 | hermogenes | now it crashes when in fullscreen mode |
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| 11:35.38 | hermogenes | initialy i thought it was a ratpoion issue, but the same happened in Tom's window manager |
| 11:35.47 | hermogenes | ratpoison* |
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| 11:37.19 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 11:37.29 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 11:37.57 | jetscreamer | so do you want the french spanish or portuguese factoid |
| 11:38.00 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 11:38.06 | hermogenes | *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0xb6907008 |
| 11:38.06 | jetscreamer | french eh |
| 11:38.20 | hermogenes | jetscreamer: its french |
| 11:38.35 | jetscreamer | that was my deduction :) |
| 11:39.14 | hermogenes | jetscreamer: if you can call that a "deduction". but it was right anyway :-) |
| 11:39.38 | jetscreamer | a subtractive one |
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| 11:42.32 | DragonD | i wish the kernel would use both cores to compile :( like make -j3 |
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| 11:44.44 | itchi | Hi, when i try to create a new partition with gparted, the fat16, fat32, ... are greyed out, i'm unable to select these. How come that? I only have the choice of ext2/3 and unformatted. |
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| 11:45.04 | itchi | The fat, vfat are been loaded too |
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| 11:45.40 | hermogenes | I was wondering if I should make a bug report because its a backported package, not an official one |
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| 11:46.00 | azeem | hermogenes: what are you talking about? |
| 11:46.32 | hermogenes | I backported xpdf-3.02 to etch ans it is crashing |
| 11:46.40 | jelly-home | is there a canonical place to call blockdev during the bootup? |
| 11:46.42 | hermogenes | and* |
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| 11:46.52 | semprix | guys i have an external hdd and im not able to write on the hdd |
| 11:46.59 | semprix | i mount it as ntfs |
| 11:47.08 | azeem | hermogenes: so check whether it is crashing in testing as well |
| 11:47.09 | DragonD | itchi: i'm guessing you need the fat fs tools |
| 11:47.22 | semprix | any ideas? |
| 11:47.26 | DragonD | like mkfs.vfat |
| 11:47.31 | jelly-home | semprix: you'll need to use ntfs-3g if you want to write |
| 11:47.35 | Buch | <semprix> ntfs3g |
| 11:48.02 | jelly-home | !ntfs-3g |
| 11:48.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs-3g is a new driver for NTFS with write support, see http://packages.debian.org/ntfs-3g for release status. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs>, <backports> (in sarge-backports) |
| 11:48.16 | semprix | E: Broken packages |
| 11:48.23 | hermogenes | azeem: the same backport isn't crashing in another etch machine |
| 11:48.24 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 11:48.24 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until you exit... you may have to hit y or n somewhere. Also, if you've never run dselect, you may have to use option 0 and choose APT Acquisition. |
| 11:48.47 | azeem | hermogenes: do they have the same version of libc6 installed? |
| 11:48.52 | semprix | ntfs-3g is marked as broken |
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| 11:49.00 | DragonD | "hit enter a lot" <- nice |
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| 11:49.03 | azeem | semprix: which version of DEbian? |
| 11:49.06 | hermogenes | azeem: let me check |
| 11:49.17 | semprix | azeem, etch |
| 11:49.28 | abchirk | anyone here knows how to set a transparent background in konqueror? |
| 11:49.47 | Loady | Hi. im having problems with my pcmcia memory card. I get pccard: PCMCIA card inserted into slot 0, pcmcia: registering new device pcmcia0.0. but i cant seem to find a blockdevice i can use. |
| 11:49.50 | abchirk | I didnt find any option in settings? |
| 11:50.54 | semprix | azeem, im on etch |
| 11:50.59 | azeem | Loady: did it load an appropriate cs_* driver |
| 11:51.05 | azeem | semprix: I saw that |
| 11:51.06 | DragonD | so if i set the cpu type in the kernel config to the opetron/athlon64 option will it still work evan tho i'm running x86? |
| 11:51.09 | itchi | DragonD: Thanks, i have installed the dosfstools and i have these options in gparted now :-) |
| 11:51.23 | DragonD | itchi: no problem |
| 11:51.42 | jelly-home | DragonD: yes, I have my kernel built that way |
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| 11:51.58 | jelly-home | DragonD: on an i386 installation. |
| 11:52.13 | DragonD | jelly-home: what about the support x86 option? did you have that selected? |
| 11:52.24 | semprix | so how do i deal with broken packages on debian? |
| 11:52.28 | jelly-home | DragonD: which one would that be? |
| 11:52.46 | jetscreamer | semprix: paste the borkedness on a pastersite |
| 11:52.46 | DragonD | umm. i don't remember exctaly |
| 11:52.47 | azeem | semprix: what does "apt-cache policy ntfs-3g" say? |
| 11:52.48 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 11:52.48 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 11:52.58 | hermogenes | azeem: yes. same lic6: 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
| 11:53.00 | jetscreamer | oh is it the ntfs3g borking? |
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| 11:54.39 | semprix | wait |
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| 11:54.49 | itchi | Ho can i get ownership of a removable media? I have mounted the fat32 external hdd but i'm not allowed to write on it |
| 11:55.12 | jetscreamer | !rwvfat |
| 11:55.13 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 11:55.30 | jetscreamer | my mangled factoid |
| 11:55.36 | jetscreamer | i didn't do the mangling |
| 11:55.44 | DragonD | jelly-home: "generic x86 support" |
| 11:55.44 | itchi | jetscreamer: The problem is that it is a removable media. I can not imagine i need to do that, nor with my usb key |
| 11:55.54 | jelly-home | DragonD: you don't need that |
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| 11:56.04 | DragonD | jelly-home: ahh ok good |
| 11:56.15 | jetscreamer | noauto,users,noexec,rw,umask=022,fmask=0113,dmask=002,uid=1000,gid=1000 |
| 11:56.23 | semprix | http://rafb.net/p/U1UCoR50.html |
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| 11:56.35 | semprix | guys here is the borks http://rafb.net/p/U1UCoR50.html |
| 11:56.38 | jetscreamer | it's in the mount options |
| 11:57.03 | jetscreamer | dude add that package to your install command |
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| 11:57.09 | jelly-home | ntfs-3g#/dev/sda1 /win fuse defaults,user,noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=022 0 0 ftw |
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| 11:57.27 | jetscreamer | apt-get install ntfs-36 libfuse2 |
| 11:57.32 | jetscreamer | err whatever |
| 11:57.35 | jetscreamer | g |
| 11:57.43 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 11:57.45 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 11:58.02 | semprix | still throwing the same error |
| 11:58.04 | jetscreamer | this is etch? |
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| 11:58.17 | itchi | jetscreamer: It is a fat32. Cause it is a removable pata rack, i gona use it for big file transferts |
| 11:58.41 | jetscreamer | itchi: it's in the mount command... use those, works for me, change the gid&uid maybe |
| 11:58.41 | semprix | jetscreamer, yes on etch |
| 11:58.59 | hermogenes | I can only reproduce the bug when xpdf is in fullscreen mode with the zoom set to fit the width of the page |
| 11:58.59 | jetscreamer | semprix: do you have security entry for sources.list? |
| 11:59.01 | jelly-home | semprix: please pastebin apt-cache policy ntfs-3g libfuse2 |
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| 11:59.20 | jetscreamer | what jelly-home said, semprix |
| 11:59.30 | itchi | jetscreamer: I tried mount -t vfat noauto,users,noexec,rw,umask=022,fmask=0113,dmask=002,uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/sdf1 /mnt/temp but it seem not right. Is it somethings similare as this? I'm not sure if i have been understand |
| 11:59.35 | Loady | azeem: no, im not sure witch driver to load. how can i get that info. i've tried googling the flash card. its a smart modular technologies card. its been used in cisco equipment earlier |
| 11:59.48 | jelly-home | semprix: I'd use a backport of both, though: ntfs-3g has had bugs fixed since etch |
| 11:59.51 | jetscreamer | itchi: -o noauto,users....et al |
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| 12:00.00 | hermogenes | which was the feature I needed and its the reason i upgraded to 3.02 |
| 12:00.12 | jetscreamer | itchi: you can subs names for the 1000 |
| 12:00.21 | jetscreamer | like uid=username |
| 12:00.22 | semprix | guys here is the apt-get policy output http://rafb.net/p/pw1dAp92.html |
| 12:00.40 | itchi | jetscreamer: Yeah, thanks, i just saw it in the man page, i have skip that part it seems :-p |
| 12:00.50 | semprix | and my security entry on source.list |
| 12:00.53 | semprix | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 12:00.53 | semprix | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 12:01.03 | jetscreamer | ok well that's easy to understand |
| 12:01.05 | jelly-home | semprix: ah. so force installing both ntfs-3g and fuse bits. |
| 12:01.26 | jetscreamer | apt-get install -t backports or something...? |
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| 12:01.41 | jetscreamer | err -t back install ntfs-3g libfuse2 |
| 12:01.47 | hermogenes | the only explanation i can give its that it is a wm issue. since the machine it crashes has ratpoison and twm when the other runs gnome |
| 12:01.50 | jelly-home | semprix: just apt-get install ntfs-3g libfuse2 ought to do the trick |
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| 12:02.08 | jetscreamer | he said it borked stil when he did that |
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| 12:02.21 | jelly-home | semprix: if it complains for another package (other fuse stuff, probably), add it to install line |
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| 12:03.04 | semprix | what do you mean by add it to the install ine |
| 12:03.22 | jelly-home | semprix: add it at the end of apt-get install ... |
| 12:03.30 | jelly-home | semprix: and retry |
| 12:04.13 | semprix | yeah |
| 12:04.18 | semprix | same thing |
| 12:04.57 | HardDisk_WP | how do I add a codec to ffmpeg (in this case the AAC encoder)? |
| 12:04.58 | semprix | i think it has something to do with libfuse |
| 12:05.38 | semprix | fluffy:/etc# apt-get -t etch-backports install ntfs-3g libfuse2 |
| 12:05.39 | semprix | :) |
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| 12:05.53 | jelly-home | semprix: does it work? |
| 12:06.12 | semprix | apt-get -t etch-backports install ntfs-3g libfuse2 <-- this one works |
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| 12:06.23 | jelly-home | gut |
| 12:06.34 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
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| 12:06.53 | semprix | :) |
| 12:06.54 | semprix | perfect |
| 12:06.57 | semprix | now it works |
| 12:06.58 | jelly-home | have fun breaking your ntfs partition! |
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| 12:07.16 | jelly-home | I meant USING. |
| 12:07.16 | hermogenes | I will not report a bug until I figure out whats happening: the problem is simply unreproduceble on the other machine |
| 12:07.42 | semprix | lol |
| 12:07.43 | hermogenes | even after i installed ratpoison in it |
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| 12:07.48 | semprix | you didnt mean breaking right? |
| 12:08.16 | jelly-home | semprix: eh, should be ok as long as you remember to unmount it cleanly before unplugging |
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| 12:08.35 | semprix | well yeah |
| 12:08.56 | jetscreamer | ntfs-3g has yet to break anything for me |
| 12:09.19 | jetscreamer | i dont' write to the system drive though, and i still don't trust it |
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| 12:09.39 | jetscreamer | i write, reboot, then run chkdsk on it.. no errors yet |
| 12:09.42 | jelly-home | I read from the system drive and wonder if it updates atime or not ;-) |
| 12:10.08 | itchi | Cool, it works(tm) :-p |
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| 12:11.13 | humbolto | I am trying to setup PPTP DSL. using pptp 10.0.0.138 ... works but I can't make it work with pon. I am using the same options in both! |
| 12:11.20 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: TBH I don't know why don't they roll the ntfs-3g changes back into standard ntfsprogs, it's more stable than a lot of software I use daily |
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| 12:11.51 | humbolto | What could be the problem? The log says: Child process pptp 10.0.0.138 --nolaunchpppd (pid xxx) terminated with signal 15 |
| 12:12.05 | stittel | Hi! There are three DVD iso images available for Debian Etch. Is the first one enough for installation (and DVD 2 and 3 just contain additional packages) or do I need all three of them? |
| 12:12.23 | itchi | stittel: Right |
| 12:12.31 | humbolto | Which echo are they talking about? LCP echo or TCP echo to 10.0.0.138? The latter is certainly working! |
| 12:12.46 | itchi | stittel: You may even use the netinstall; if you only plan to install 1 box |
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| 12:13.04 | stittel | itchi: Right with the first or second alternative? :) |
| 12:13.16 | jelly-home | stittel: if the machine you're installing to has an internet connection, the first one is enough, and even the netinstall image should be enough too |
| 12:13.45 | stittel | jelly-home: Well, internet connection is only available via DSL/PPPoE. |
| 12:13.49 | HardDisk_WP | how do I add AAC/Xvid support to ffmpeg? |
| 12:13.55 | microtux | hi |
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| 12:14.10 | stittel | jelly-home: Netinstall is out of the question, because it's not my computer but the computer of a friend and I don't plan on hanging around there longer than I need. :) |
| 12:14.11 | aldin | hi, how to find out my RAM speed in MHz, thanks |
| 12:14.25 | microtux | i want to delete some repositories, how can i do it? |
| 12:14.28 | itchi | stittel: Download the first DVD then |
| 12:14.43 | humbolto | Is anybody fit with PPTP ADSL? |
| 12:14.50 | aldin | microtux: opet /etc/apt/sources.list and delet tha one u don t need |
| 12:14.53 | itchi | stittel: Downloading *all* the stuff sounds crazy if you not plan to use these |
| 12:14.54 | stittel | itchi: It will get me into a working system, so I can set up a PPPoE internet connection? |
| 12:15.05 | itchi | stittel: yes |
| 12:15.06 | microtux | aldin, then? |
| 12:15.08 | jelly-home | !tell aldin about whats my hardware |
| 12:15.21 | stittel | itchi, jelly-home: Thank you very much! |
| 12:15.23 | itchi | stittel: Honnesty, i not have experiences with DSL/PPPoE |
| 12:15.27 | jelly-home | aldin: personally I use lshw |
| 12:15.33 | itchi | stittel: No worry ;-) |
| 12:15.49 | aldin | jelly-home: look i tried lshw |grep MHz |
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| 12:16.04 | stittel | itchi: The last Debian I installed locally was Woody, and setting up a DSL connection in a working system was not an issue. But I couldn't do it in the installer, so I guess I need a working system first. |
| 12:16.08 | aldin | and i got all 33 & 66MHz, but my RAM shoudl be 800Mhz |
| 12:16.15 | microtux | aldin, i did what u said. then apt-get update; but it faliled |
| 12:16.33 | itchi | stittel: That seems promising ;-) Be fast and you're back :-) |
| 12:16.41 | jelly-home | aldin: hmm, sorry, I mislead you |
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| 12:16.47 | aldin | microtux: which one u deleted? |
| 12:16.50 | microtux | aldin, when i run apt-get install it install from the reposiry i deleted |
| 12:17.03 | hermogenes | i got it! after reading this it becomes more clear: http://www.openafs.org/pipermail/openafs-devel/2005-March/011677.html |
| 12:17.04 | stittel | itchi: Thanks again, bye! |
| 12:17.10 | jelly-home | aldin: I _think_ memtest86+ shows some RAM capabilities |
| 12:17.12 | microtux | aldin, all of them |
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| 12:17.17 | aldin | microtux: try 'apt-get update' first |
| 12:17.21 | microtux | aldin, i want to use CD only |
| 12:17.44 | aldin | microtux: ok, do this |
| 12:17.46 | microtux | aldin, i tried apt-get update, the same thing |
| 12:17.50 | aldin | microtux: su |
| 12:18.01 | microtux | aldin, then? |
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| 12:18.06 | aldin | microtux: then echo > /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:18.09 | aldin | warning |
| 12:18.20 | aldin | this will remove all your internet repos |
| 12:18.25 | aldin | and now add cd/DVD |
| 12:18.37 | aldin | with apt-cdrom add |
| 12:18.59 | microtux | aldin, ok thanks |
| 12:19.03 | microtux | i'll try it |
| 12:19.05 | abrotman | microtux: did you run apt-get update after you edited your sources ? |
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| 12:19.25 | microtux | abrotman, yes |
| 12:19.38 | abrotman | microtux: and you likely want to have some of those http sources in htere .. they're security repositories |
| 12:19.48 | microtux | aldin, abrotman may i use apt-setup |
| 12:20.14 | abrotman | apt-setup isn't there anymore |
| 12:20.18 | abrotman | unless you're still on sarge |
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| 12:20.49 | microtux | abrotman, yes i'm still on sarge cause i need a 2.4 kernel |
| 12:21.01 | abrotman | microtux: can you paste your sources somewhere ? |
| 12:21.16 | abrotman | microtux: or show us the output you're having problems with |
| 12:21.19 | microtux | i deleted them , sorry |
| 12:22.11 | microtux | abrotman, i'll ask from the beginning |
| 12:22.12 | abrotman | good plan |
| 12:22.53 | microtux | abrotman, if there's an update on repositories (sarge--> etch for example) |
| 12:23.00 | microtux | and i'm using sarge |
| 12:23.31 | microtux | won't i have problems or conflicts when using using repositories from internet |
| 12:23.53 | abrotman | not if you do it correctly |
| 12:24.19 | microtux | ok; cause i must use sarge, and i don't want to have conflicts |
| 12:24.23 | microtux | can u help me? |
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| 12:25.46 | abrotman | microtux: sure .. |
| 12:26.05 | microtux | abrotman, ok thanks |
| 12:26.15 | abrotman | microtux: get a sources.list from /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 12:26.21 | abrotman | microtux: then .. we'll change it from there |
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| 12:27.31 | microtux | abrotman, ok, then? |
| 12:27.39 | abrotman | did you do that? |
| 12:27.44 | abrotman | !paste |
| 12:27.44 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 12:27.55 | microtux | yes i have the source.list |
| 12:28.04 | abrotman | paste it on one of those sites |
| 12:28.31 | abrotman | morning! |
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| 12:29.01 | asg | abrotman: at least the sun isn't shining; I couldn't handle that. |
| 12:29.30 | abrotman | asg: yeah .. it's kind of dreary here too |
| 12:30.10 | microtux | abrotman, done |
| 12:30.21 | abrotman | i need the url |
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| 12:30.29 | microtux | http://paste.debian.net |
| 12:30.40 | microtux | http://paste.debian.net/33559 |
| 12:31.21 | abrotman | microtux: comment out line 2 |
| 12:31.24 | CrewChat-4871018 | ? |
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| 12:31.47 | abrotman | microtux: and then change all instances of 'stable' to say 'sarge' .. then paste it again to show me what you've got now |
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| 12:33.39 | Bakkar | hallo, can I have two debian based installed on the same root partitions and make them dual boot with windows ? |
| 12:35.02 | microtux | abrotman, done, i uncommented the repos for sources |
| 12:35.05 | microtux | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/33561 |
| 12:35.29 | abrotman | microtux: and you're in the US ? |
| 12:35.52 | abrotman | i guess it really doesn't matter |
| 12:36.18 | microtux | abrotman, i'm not in the US, but it's not a problem |
| 12:36.50 | abrotman | microtux: okay .. do you still want a CD source? |
| 12:37.02 | abrotman | (you don't need one at this point) |
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| 12:37.23 | microtux | abrotman, if these repo are sufficient, there's no need for CDs i guess |
| 12:37.34 | Bakkar | abrotman, can you see if you can answer my question pls? |
| 12:37.52 | abrotman | microtux: at some point .. sarge will be archived .. and you'll need to follow instructions at archive.debian.org if you want to keep using it |
| 12:37.58 | abrotman | Bakkar: on the same / ? |
| 12:38.08 | asg | Bakkar: can you explain what you mean by 'on the same root partitions'? |
| 12:38.45 | microtux | abrotman, ok; i hope it will not be hard |
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| 12:39.07 | abrotman | microtux: just make sure it all seems to work before you leave this channel |
| 12:39.12 | Bakkar | I mean if i have my "current" installation root partition mounted at /dev/sda1 can I install another debian based installation on the same /dev/sda1 and dual boot to any of them? |
| 12:39.23 | Bakkar | asg, that's what i meant |
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| 12:39.37 | microtux | abrotman, ok i'll try it now |
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| 12:40.35 | abrotman | Bakkar: no |
| 12:40.36 | asg | Bakkar: you can only have one installation on a partition. (i.e., Debian on /dev/sda1, another Debian on /dev/sda2, etc.) |
| 12:40.52 | abrotman | Bakkar: the best you could hope for is to have two installations share a /home/ |
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| 12:41.13 | abrotman | and even that cuold get really bad |
| 12:41.16 | asg | Bakkar: you *could* have a separate Debian installation in a chroot but it wouldn't run an independent kernel. |
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| 12:41.41 | abrotman | asg: feeling better? |
| 12:41.45 | asg | abrotman: yep |
| 12:41.50 | abrotman | yay beer! |
| 12:41.57 | asg | hurray beer! |
| 12:42.00 | Bakkar | asg I see now. thank you asg and abrotman |
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| 12:42.05 | asg | you're welcome |
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| 12:42.23 | solars | how can I recreate a default config file if it was deleted? I tried to reinstall but it still is not there |
| 12:42.30 | asg | solars: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 12:43.29 | solars | asg, thank you |
| 12:43.30 | Bakkar | Ok, now let's say I want to shrink my current installation partition. can I do that or my data would get damaged, I mean is qparted capable of smart resizing? |
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| 12:44.30 | abrotman | back up your data first |
| 12:44.50 | Bakkar | I see |
| 12:45.06 | palestinian | duplicate source lists mean that I have the same source repeteadly? |
| 12:45.34 | asg | Bakkar: if the filesystem is ext2/ext3, it should work if you use parted but a backup is always advised. |
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| 12:47.49 | juliank | a small announcement: Automatic codec installation (as in Ubuntu) will come to Debian soon (when gnome-app-install is ACCEPTED and a new gst-plugins-base0.10 has been uploaded) |
| 12:48.16 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 12:48.17 | Bakkar | asg thank you ... I am on it NW! |
| 12:48.21 | Bakkar | *NOW |
| 12:48.26 | asg | Bakkar: cool |
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| 12:49.17 | palestinian | how can I download a new version of alsa?,, the latest?, aptitude install alsa? |
| 12:49.35 | abrotman | what's worng with yours ? |
| 12:49.48 | asg | it smells of fish |
| 12:50.15 | palestinian | looking for a solution I found there is a problem with my card with the old version of alsa of debian |
| 12:50.34 | abrotman | did you ask #alsa .. or you're just going to compile stuff for fun ? |
| 12:50.49 | palestinian | abrotman, i went to #alsa, they told me to do it |
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| 12:51.06 | abrotman | so which version of alsa fixes the issue ? |
| 12:51.06 | jetscreamer | what card, just for giggles |
| 12:51.31 | palestinian | 1.0.14 |
| 12:51.39 | palestinian | intel |
| 12:51.42 | palestinian | just a sec |
| 12:52.10 | jetscreamer | intel makes sound cards? |
| 12:52.22 | jetscreamer | (don't tell me about onboard) |
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| 12:52.44 | palestinian | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 12:52.51 | jetscreamer | i should go change my fan clutch |
| 12:53.21 | jetscreamer | so is snd_hda_intel loaded, or whatever it's called? |
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| 12:53.32 | abrotman | moment |
| 12:53.42 | abrotman | palestinian: which version of debian ? |
| 12:53.43 | palestinian | jetscreamer, alsa detect it correctly |
| 12:53.46 | palestinian | and the mixer is ok |
| 12:53.47 | mutantpineapple | is anyone here using both latin and cyrillic keymaps in X? |
| 12:53.50 | jetscreamer | palestinian: i know nothing |
| 12:53.52 | palestinian | but i still have not sound |
| 12:53.56 | jetscreamer | listen to the abrotman |
| 12:54.10 | abrotman | well .. just that etch has 1.12 in the kernel and the source for 1.13 |
| 12:54.11 | palestinian | okz |
| 12:54.27 | abrotman | or howevert eyh do the numbers |
| 12:54.38 | abrotman | and spelling |
| 12:54.55 | abrotman | so if he's on etch .. he'll eithe rhave to look for a backport .. or get the source package from lenny/sid |
| 12:55.29 | asg | abrotman: my laptop has that same controller and it works just fine for me *shrug* |
| 12:55.40 | abrotman | asg: yeah .. i figured :) |
| 12:55.47 | palestinian | so what can I do? |
| 12:55.55 | asg | abrotman: though mine is rev 01, not rev 02. |
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| 12:56.05 | abrotman | !! |
| 12:56.06 | dpkg | I'm not your fucking csh prompt. |
| 12:56.09 | abrotman | oh shush |
| 12:57.07 | microtux | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/33563 |
| 12:57.09 | abrotman | palestinian: whihc version of debian ? |
| 12:57.12 | microtux | abrotman, thank you |
| 12:57.26 | abrotman | microtux: that's wrong |
| 12:57.30 | palestinian | abrotman, 4.0 |
| 12:57.35 | abrotman | microtux: you want security updates for sarge .. not stable |
| 12:57.58 | abrotman | microtux: or oldstable .. but definitely not 'stable' |
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| 12:58.34 | microtux | abrotman, first of all; do you agree with me? |
| 12:59.26 | abrotman | microtux: the sources you had before would be fine for your stated goals |
| 12:59.37 | microtux | abrotman, for working with old&stable rather then new&stable to avoid conflicts |
| 12:59.47 | abrotman | microtux: but etch is fine for that ... |
| 12:59.55 | abrotman | but if you want to stay on sarge .. that's up to you |
| 13:00.01 | microtux | abrotman, i know that etch is fine |
| 13:00.12 | microtux | abrotman, and i like etch |
| 13:00.14 | abrotman | but i'd still use http sources pointing at sarge/oldstable instead of using CD sources |
| 13:00.25 | abrotman | actually .. i'd point at sarge |
| 13:00.31 | microtux | abrotman, but i have to wor with a 2.4 kernel |
| 13:00.46 | abrotman | i understand that |
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| 13:01.44 | aldin | how to see what is my DDR RAM speed in MHz |
| 13:01.48 | microtux | abrotman, and if the libs or packages at sarge/oldstable are update. Will i have problems or conflicts? |
| 13:01.59 | abrotman | microtux: you sohuldn't be |
| 13:02.06 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 13:02.06 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 13:02.29 | abrotman | microtux: point your sources at sarge .. |
| 13:02.39 | jelly-home | aldin: tried memtest86+ yet? |
| 13:02.40 | microtux | abrotman, ok |
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| 13:03.03 | aldin | jelly-home: yes and it says 200 and ddr400 |
| 13:03.09 | aldin | but nowhere 800MHz |
| 13:03.13 | aldin | like it say on label |
| 13:03.26 | aldin | in bios i saw 533 667 800 |
| 13:03.36 | aldin | i put it on 800 |
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| 13:04.26 | abrotman | or ask #hardware |
| 13:04.28 | jelly-home | aldin: so it probably is on 800 |
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| 13:05.18 | Amanda | What's a good method for LAN file backups? Just cron'd rsync? |
| 13:05.20 | Amanda | Or something else? |
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| 13:05.53 | Bushmills | Amanda: rsync is wonderful for that purpose |
| 13:06.01 | aldin | jelly-home: ok, thanks |
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| 13:06.10 | abrotman | jelly-home: you think maybe Amanda should use amanda ? |
| 13:06.22 | jelly-home | Amanda: there's a number of scripts than run rsync for you, like rsnapshot or dirvish |
| 13:06.23 | abrotman | !info amanda etch |
| 13:06.24 | Bushmills | Amanda: though for a lot of machines, more dedicated backup solutions may reduce admin overhead |
| 13:06.34 | jelly-home | abrotman: NOOOOO |
| 13:06.46 | abrotman | !info amanda-server etch |
| 13:06.48 | dpkg | amanda-server: (Advanced Maryland Automatic Network Disk Archiver (Server)), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:2.5.1p1-2.1 (etch), Packaged size: 367 kB, Installed size: 1032 kB |
| 13:07.04 | Amanda | Yeah, I should have perhaps /nickd :P |
| 13:07.09 | Amanda | On my wife's acct |
| 13:07.10 | filleokus | hi guys. just wondering if its hard to set up a "something" that forwards the network that comes in trough my wlan card out to the network card and in to another computer hooked up byte wire. |
| 13:07.17 | giorgian | hi. are there some documents about the emacs22 transition? |
| 13:07.30 | Bushmills | filleokus: iptables can take care of that |
| 13:07.33 | Amanda | baby dumped a full glass of water on the thinkpad yesterday, so i'm backing up criticals now |
| 13:07.34 | microtux | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/33564 |
| 13:07.41 | Bushmills | filleokus: using the nat target |
| 13:07.52 | filleokus | Bushmills: ok, were should i read about that? |
| 13:07.54 | jelly-home | "in case of baby" |
| 13:08.04 | abrotman | filleokus: ipmasq package |
| 13:08.08 | Bushmills | filleokus: good question :) i forgot, lol. |
| 13:08.12 | Amanda | jelly-home: i'm using it now though! |
| 13:08.18 | mutantpineapple | jelly-home: i have an axe with that label on it |
| 13:08.19 | Amanda | let it dry out overnight and it booted right up |
| 13:08.25 | palestinian | ehmm....someone can tell me how to download with aptitude the driver for a ipw3945 for kernel 18? |
| 13:08.27 | Amanda | just worried i'm on borrowed time |
| 13:08.28 | abrotman | microtux: that means you'll have non-free available if you want htem |
| 13:08.42 | abrotman | microtux: otherwise it seems okay |
| 13:08.53 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 13:08.53 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
| 13:08.54 | Bushmills | filleokus: probably a general iptables primer would do |
| 13:08.57 | filleokus | abrotman: eehm. im a complete newbie in routering things. what does ipmasq package meen? |
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| 13:09.15 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 13:09.15 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 13:09.17 | filleokus | Bushmills: ok ive got some googleing to do :) |
| 13:09.30 | microtux | abrotman, thank you |
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| 13:09.40 | filleokus | abrotman: thanx :D |
| 13:09.43 | jelly-home | Amanda: if you're worried, you can take the disk out, put it in a desktop-style machine and dump all of it. Or if you have gigabit network, you can do it over the LAN |
| 13:09.47 | Bushmills | filleokus: try http://www.tldp.org |
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| 13:09.56 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 13:09.56 | dpkg | [iptables] the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 13:09.59 | abrotman | Bushmills: ^^ ? |
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| 13:10.13 | humbolt | I only have one ethernet interface in my etch box (had more before). Now the one interface still shows as eth1. I know this is fixed in some file. Only forgot witch one it was. Can anybody point me? |
| 13:10.20 | Bushmills | abrotman: byp? |
| 13:10.38 | abrotman | Bushmills: feyhre! |
| 13:10.54 | filleokus | abrotman, Bushmills : thank you both. now i have some info to work with :) |
| 13:11.09 | abrotman | humbolt: maybe in /etc/udev/ |
| 13:11.20 | humbolt | found it |
| 13:11.34 | humbolt | udev/rules.d/z25... |
| 13:12.07 | Bushmills | abrotman: dict byp -> 1 definition found. dict feyhre -> No definitions found for "feyhre", perhaps you mean: gcide: Feyre |
| 13:12.16 | abrotman | heheh |
| 13:12.49 | palestinian | abrotman, thnx |
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| 13:17.06 | microtux | abrotman, i have another question; :D |
| 13:17.12 | abrotman | ok |
| 13:17.14 | palestinian | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/m1a379d0d ...there is other way to install it? |
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| 13:17.26 | abrotman | argh .. fucking pastebin.com |
| 13:17.59 | palestinian | jajaja |
| 13:18.01 | palestinian | sorry |
| 13:18.04 | abrotman | palestinian: it needs firmware i bleieve .. read in /usr/share/doc/ipw3945* |
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| 13:18.38 | microtux | abrotman, when debian boots it launch many services and daemons(apache, proftpd,etc) |
| 13:18.38 | microtux | abrotman, i want to customize the boot menu. |
| 13:18.48 | microtux | wich file? |
| 13:18.48 | palestinian | abrotman, but I installed the firmware |
| 13:19.21 | abrotman | microtux: man update-rc.d |
| 13:19.31 | abrotman | palestinian: then ask the channel for ipw3945 |
| 13:19.35 | microtux | abrotman, bingo; thx |
| 13:19.55 | palestinian | !ipw3945 |
| 13:19.55 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
| 13:20.04 | palestinian | yes,thats what I did |
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| 13:31.56 | xand | hmm |
| 13:32.38 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 13:32.38 | dpkg | elnovato | bah,m finally i undestood Jedit is the best IDE ever ever |
| 13:32.41 | abrotman | better? :) |
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| 13:37.49 | lost_eden | I'm trying to set up a firewall; the box has 2 NICs in it (which were both recognised by the install, I had to choose which one to use to download the installation packages) but now that I have the system installed & running (with an XFCE desktop) an ifconfig only shows eth0 & lo |
| 13:38.07 | lost_eden | I have no idea what to do in xfce/prompt to enable the second NIC? |
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| 13:41.32 | nosman | any write-up on setting up a hp aio printer in debian? |
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| 13:43.48 | filleokus | hmm. ipmasq flodded my server =/ |
| 13:44.29 | filleokus | lost_eden: perhaps (as root) ifconfig ethX up |
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| 13:45.03 | MangosDebian | xand: sorry, falling behind ;) |
| 13:45.53 | lost_eden | filleokus: thanks, ifconfig is now reporting both eth1 & eth2, I'll edit the firewall script now |
| 13:46.18 | filleokus | no problemos. i had the same problem a cpl of years ago :) |
| 13:46.56 | nosman | what packages to install to use hp aio printer? |
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| 13:48.56 | humbolt | I fresh installed apache2 on my etch, but I can't start it. |
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| 13:49.12 | humbolt | apache (1) was installed too, but I removed it. |
| 13:49.22 | humbolt | could that have caused a problem? |
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| 13:50.43 | filleokus | hmm. if /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward contains a zero will i have problems gett ipmasq to work? |
| 13:51.20 | humbolt | filleokus: talking to me? |
| 13:52.09 | filleokus | ehm. if u can help, sure. but i cant realy help u |
| 13:52.27 | humbolt | is apache 1.3 the default in etch or apache 2? |
| 13:53.03 | filleokus | humbolt: what if u type /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
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| 13:53.30 | humbolt | filleokus: nothing happens! |
| 13:53.38 | humbolt | not even a single message |
| 13:53.49 | humbolt | and error.log is empty |
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| 13:53.58 | filleokus | hmm |
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| 13:54.06 | filleokus | strange |
| 13:54.12 | filleokus | tried to reinstall it? |
| 13:54.37 | humbolt | yes |
| 13:54.53 | humbolt | I am purging everything and try again |
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| 13:55.26 | ribasushi | hi |
| 13:55.54 | ribasushi | is there a document that describes debian-specific log level assignments? Like for instance that pppd is local2 |
| 13:56.02 | ribasushi | I can't find anything in the policy manual about this |
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| 13:56.38 | humbolt | ok, it says apache2 configuration is broken so we are not restarting it for you. |
| 13:56.46 | humbolt | if it could tell me where it is broken |
| 13:56.54 | humbolt | I guess dokuwiki broke it |
| 13:58.03 | pocukrani | maybi know somebody why sound don`t work when i look videos on internet (youtube) ? on media player work |
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| 14:00.02 | xuxun22 | hello,everyone.It is my first been here |
| 14:01.15 | ribasushi | no takers on the syslog question? |
| 14:01.16 | aronofsky | hi, im about to buy a wifi card MSI PC60G-F wich seems to be based on Atheros Chipset Super G, id like to know if its well supported on debian, I guess it is through madwifi but id like to be sure as soon as that card isn't listed on their site and I cant find relevant info on the web ? |
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| 14:03.18 | lepton | ribasushi: other than "man syslog.conf" I can't find anything |
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| 14:06.17 | palestinian | a good graphic assistant for wireless? |
| 14:06.36 | ribasushi | lepton: yep... I guess I'll just shufflw stuff around as I please |
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| 14:07.03 | ribasushi | lepton: my main concern was that once a new daemon is installed it can trample over localX and get all my logging screwed up |
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| 14:07.56 | loupgaroublond | palestinian, network manager |
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| 14:11.12 | aronofsky | anyone , im about to buy a wifi card MSI PC60G-F wich seems to be based on Atheros Chipset Super G, id like to know if its well supported on debian, I guess it is through madwifi but id like to be sure as soon as that card isn't listed on their site and I cant find relevant info on the web ? |
| 14:11.13 | palestinian | loupgaroublond, i tried to use knetworkmanager and got error |
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| 14:13.04 | |newbie| | hello when i open root shell debian:/home/linux#,why not root:/home/linux# ? |
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| 14:14.04 | asg | |newbie|: man bash (search for PS1) |
| 14:14.39 | asg | and also search for PROMPTING |
| 14:14.39 | |newbie| | asg what file modified? |
| 14:14.49 | asg | |newbie|: look for INVOCATION in the same manpage |
| 14:15.46 | |newbie| | is impossible |
| 14:15.54 | |newbie| | i not know english |
| 14:16.12 | MangosDebian | sussudio: you there? |
| 14:16.49 | asg | |newbie|: try #debian-it |
| 14:16.56 | asg | !it |
| 14:16.56 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 14:17.02 | microtux | any body knows Quartus Sotware? |
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| 14:18.06 | MangosDebian | anyone know what the avg size of a #debian log file is for about 1 month plz? thanks |
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| 14:19.19 | bullium | I remember a few releases ago you could create a debian recovery floppy during install, that doesn't seem to be available anymore, or am I just missing it? |
| 14:19.27 | abrotman | !bf |
| 14:19.28 | dpkg | somebody said etch floppies was http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want lenny/testing change "etch" to "lenny". |
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| 14:19.35 | abrotman | bullium: but basically gone i gather |
| 14:19.36 | filleokus_ | hmm. anyone how has exprience with ipmasq. |
| 14:19.42 | filleokus_ | !nat |
| 14:19.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nat is configured easily with a GUI using the package guidedogipmasq or guarddog |
| 14:19.47 | abrotman | MangosDebian: i had an interesting idea for your graphs |
| 14:19.51 | filleokus_ | !ipmasq |
| 14:19.51 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 14:19.55 | wykis | Hello, how do you use chmod to make new files of a directory inherit the directory's attributes (same user and group, especially). Thanks |
| 14:19.58 | abrotman | filleokus_: ipmasq should just work |
| 14:20.09 | filleokus_ | should it? |
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| 14:20.19 | MangosDebian | abrotman: design? layout? look? colors? data? |
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| 14:20.28 | microtux | any body knows Quartus Sotware? |
| 14:20.34 | abrotman | MangosDebian: a line graph showing total lines on each date |
| 14:20.36 | palestinian | hello |
| 14:20.36 | filleokus_ | okay. no need to select wich interface is the web interface and etc= |
| 14:20.37 | MangosDebian | been playing with lib GD + perl |
| 14:20.38 | filleokus_ | ?* |
| 14:20.40 | abrotman | MangosDebian: per users etc ... |
| 14:20.45 | abrotman | filleokus_: yes .. that you have to do |
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| 14:21.06 | filleokus_ | aight, and thats done how? |
| 14:21.06 | bullium | abrotman: do you happen to know where some documentation is on how to do that? |
| 14:21.12 | palestinian | with the kwifi I scann, I see my router but I cant connect, I chose it but I still have not internet |
| 14:21.24 | abrotman | bullium: to make the floppy during install ? |
| 14:21.29 | abrotman | filleokus_: it doesn't ask you |
| 14:21.31 | abrotman | ? |
| 14:21.38 | MangosDebian | abrotman: thats probably pretty easy to do with libGD actually. Ill keep it in mind |
| 14:21.44 | rich_ | Hello! amule cannot read UTF-8 directories and files. Does anyone know if it is amule or my debian lenny's fault, or mine? |
| 14:21.56 | rich_ | Thank you! |
| 14:22.04 | filleokus_ | abrotman: i dont think so, no. when should it had done that? |
| 14:22.07 | filleokus_ | during install? |
| 14:22.08 | bullium | abrotman: yeah, my system has issue for some reason it won't boot from any HD but will from CD's and floppys...so if I could create a boot floppy or CD to boot to the HD I would be set |
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| 14:22.24 | MangosDebian | abrotman: unfortunately I would have to take a small sub set of perhaps the top 10 or 20 since I currently have about 50k unique uid's in my db |
| 14:22.27 | abrotman | bullium: so use a livecd |
| 14:22.28 | wykis | how to make new files inherit same permissions as their parent directory? |
| 14:22.36 | abrotman | MangosDebian: right .. i get that |
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| 14:23.32 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I have ASUS A7N8X mainboard: it has two ide channels and 2 SATAs. Plus, I have Promise Ultra133TX2 ide controller. My system has 4 ide disks (on both ide channels), 2 sata disks and 2 more disks, on ultra133 controller. The problem is that when I connect the disks to Ultra133 controller, I can't boot my system; It hangs with mesage 'LIL' at boottime. What's wrong? Disconnecting those disks from the controller helps, I can boot. |
| 14:24.53 | subx | hid3: check all the master / slave / cable select settings on ALL the drives, set them up to be master or slaves only |
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| 14:25.08 | subx | dont set them to be cable select |
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| 14:25.28 | hid3 | subx: double checked that. Everything is ma/sl, no CS |
| 14:25.54 | subx | next thing u need to check your BIOS settings are correct |
| 14:26.04 | hid3 | I suspect this is something due to hard drive letters change |
| 14:26.24 | hid3 | MY SATAs are hde and hdg but when I add the controller, they become hdi and hdk |
| 14:26.29 | Gnu_Raiz | you can get weird options with promise controllers. |
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| 14:26.58 | abrotman | likely because your controller is being probed in the bios before the onboard |
| 14:27.13 | Gnu_Raiz | if you do a basic google search you might get some revelant info. |
| 14:27.16 | subx | another thing to do is, flash the BIOS on your mobo and the promise controller to the latest versions |
| 14:27.21 | hid3 | beforce the onboard sata controller; yes it is |
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| 14:27.36 | hid3 | subx: already done that, no result |
| 14:27.47 | Gnu_Raiz | I had a promise controller that would only work in one slot, every other slot the controller was not recognized. |
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| 14:28.13 | MangosDebian | abrotman: me, you and Guerin are the top 3 btw |
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| 14:28.29 | abrotman | MangosDebian: i'm in the top three? no way |
| 14:28.39 | hid3 | It is regignised, however, it there's one or more disks on the controller, system is unbootable |
| 14:28.43 | subx | hid3: can u boot the system with just 1 hard drive connected to the promise controller with no other drives connected? |
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| 14:29.11 | MangosDebian | abrotman: your second to me actually. but thats just group'd by nick and doesnt take into account people who swap nicks or anything |
| 14:29.12 | hid3 | no, that controller seems to be unbootable, dunno why |
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| 14:29.16 | filleokus_ | abrotman: ipmasq just ask me about ppp settings and when it should be started at boot |
| 14:29.27 | abrotman | filleokus_: uhm |
| 14:29.33 | abrotman | MangosDebian: debstats.dontexist.org |
| 14:29.40 | jelly-home | hid3: boot from a livecd while all the disks are connected, then mount your root and rerun lilo? |
| 14:29.44 | barz| | hi. i'm quite new in the debian world. does debian have a way to install software directly from source? |
| 14:30.03 | hid3 | jelly-home: tried this also, no effect :( |
| 14:30.12 | jelly-home | use grub :-) |
| 14:30.21 | filleokus_ | barz|: hmm. like make, make config etc? |
| 14:30.23 | jovans | cannot install bogofilter (but i nedd it) on sid |
| 14:30.33 | filleokus_ | or like gentoos packge system? |
| 14:30.37 | filleokus_ | barz|: |
| 14:30.45 | hid3 | jelly-home: grub hangs on loading <something here>, please wait |
| 14:30.50 | MangosDebian | abrotman: my stats have some issues though. 1, im going beyond 1 month slightly and 2, part of those logs dont have /me's recorded |
| 14:31.05 | abrotman | MangosDebian: evil logs! |
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| 14:31.37 | barz| | filleokus_: i don't know about gentoo. but i'm used to freebsd's ports system, if that helps |
| 14:31.46 | barz| | filleokus_: i'd like to know if debian has something similar |
| 14:32.11 | asg | barz|: /msg dpkg source |
| 14:32.18 | barz| | thanks |
| 14:32.20 | jelly-home | hid3: what, stage1.5, stage2? sounds like you didn't install it correctly |
| 14:32.22 | tarzeau | barz|: apt-src ? |
| 14:32.25 | filleokus_ | ah ok. umh, i dont think so. since debian uses binary .deb packages. but im not sure since i dont want to do that |
| 14:33.02 | tarzeau | barz|: and there's gnu stow |
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| 14:33.07 | jelly-home | barz|: it has, but why would you want to do that? |
| 14:33.18 | tarzeau | barz|: there's debian gnu/kfreebsd too but without the freebsd ports |
| 14:33.33 | hid3 | jelly-home, stage 1.5. If I dosconnect all drives from promise controller, it boots correctly. |
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| 14:34.39 | barz| | jelly-home: to do what? |
| 14:35.03 | jelly-home | barz|: install software directly from source |
| 14:35.05 | asg | barz|: compile things from source when binary packages are already built for you |
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| 14:36.38 | filleokus_ | yeah yeah, ive think i got it running now (ipmasq) but there still 2 probs left. 1: My terminal is flodded with strange info about forwarding. 2: i can only get into my lan, not the internet |
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| 14:37.44 | barz| | jelly-home: well, i'm used to do that in freebsd, and i think i'd only install binary packages when dealing with bigger programs, like gnome, kde or OOo |
| 14:37.49 | asg | filleokus_: 1) can be solved by '/msg dpkg klogd' |
| 14:37.54 | tarzeau | asg: i've heard of some fake emerge, downloading debian build logs, and displaying them while installing the binary |
| 14:38.03 | asg | tarzeau: hah |
| 14:38.04 | tarzeau | asg: i'm not sure, does it exist? otherwise it'd be fun to do :) |
| 14:38.08 | barz| | jelly-home: what are you debian guys used to do? binary packages? |
| 14:38.13 | jelly-home | barz|: Debian does it the other way round, yes |
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| 14:38.35 | tarzeau | but the funniest thing i heard was still that gcc is the GNOME Compiler Collection |
| 14:38.40 | filleokus_ | f |
| 14:38.41 | jelly-home | barz|: only build if you need something specific that the distro does not provide |
| 14:38.45 | filleokus_ | asg: danke schön |
| 14:38.52 | palestinian | ehm....I know i bother a lot with stupids questions in this channel...can I bother again? |
| 14:38.57 | asg | filleokus_: de nada |
| 14:39.12 | tarzeau | sussudio: you run the debstats, right? |
| 14:39.18 | asg | he does |
| 14:39.30 | stoned | asg: sometimes you have to |
| 14:39.31 | tarzeau | sussudio: is there a way i can have all the logs from 2003 till now? or do you only have the stats and no more logs? |
| 14:39.37 | stoned | especially when hacking xfce4 |
| 14:39.42 | barz| | asg: eres de españa? |
| 14:39.42 | tarzeau | asg: i'd like to run some stats over ALL the logs |
| 14:39.44 | asg | stoned: have to what? build from source? |
| 14:39.49 | stoned | asg: yessir |
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| 14:40.00 | tarzeau | asg: as in with fuzzy string compares, most asked questions over timeperiod year, month, ... |
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| 14:40.04 | asg | barz|: was in Malaga last week |
| 14:40.05 | palestinian | I try to connect to wireless,to my router and I cant,my card was detected and loaded, and I can see the router with graphic assistant, but I cant connect,i dont get internet |
| 14:40.13 | palestinian | I even cant ping the router |
| 14:40.15 | asg | tarzeau: he should have them |
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| 14:40.28 | tarzeau | asg: great, if i can get them, that'll be fantastic :) |
| 14:40.37 | stoned | asg: I'm writing a patch for xfdesktop4, to change middle click desktop windowlist menu to right click, and add the respective option in configuration dialog |
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| 14:40.47 | barz| | asg: hablas castellano? |
| 14:40.56 | jelly-home | stoned: when did they change it? |
| 14:41.02 | asg | barz|: no, mi espanol es muy malo |
| 14:41.21 | asg | barz|: I can order beer and coffee and that's about it ... oh and ask for the toilet :) |
| 14:41.23 | jelly-home | stoned: er, nevermind, I don't use window list at all |
| 14:41.24 | palestinian | barz|, q pasa chabon? |
| 14:41.27 | stoned | jelly-home: it was always like that, they never did. I like deskto right click to show me app menu, and left to show me windowlist popup so i can change my apps |
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| 14:41.45 | stoned | jelly-home: xfce only has middle click and right click options |
| 14:41.57 | stoned | jelly-home: well that too, but it should have the option regardless |
| 14:42.05 | stoned | they said they won't do anything about it |
| 14:42.12 | stoned | I said ok fuck you im gonna write it then |
| 14:42.28 | barz| | palestinian: yo no soy chavon |
| 14:42.38 | stoned | soy? |
| 14:42.40 | stoned | soy sauce? |
| 14:42.44 | palestinian | jajajaja |
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| 14:42.50 | palestinian | barz|, disculpa |
| 14:42.55 | jelly-home | stoned: "am", I think |
| 14:42.56 | palestinian | cada vez hay mas linuxeras |
| 14:42.58 | stoned | English only please |
| 14:43.04 | palestinian | sorry |
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| 14:43.17 | stoned | jelly-home: im was a contraction |
| 14:43.20 | stoned | I'm |
| 14:43.24 | stoned | I am |
| 14:43.26 | stoned | blah. |
| 14:43.36 | jelly-home | <SLAYRadio> No hablen su idioma aqui - hablen Ingles apropiado por favor, gilipollases! ;) |
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| 14:43.49 | sudobash | stoned are you stoned |
| 14:43.55 | sudobash | ? |
| 14:44.09 | sudobash | high? or intoxicated? |
| 14:44.17 | sudobash | im about to be :) |
| 14:44.31 | stoned | no man |
| 14:44.34 | stoned | I'm sick, |
| 14:44.38 | stoned | fucking pissing me off |
| 14:44.43 | stoned | nausea, heartburn |
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| 14:44.50 | stoned | running out of budd |
| 14:45.06 | stoned | I gotta go get my pictures taken today, filled out my naturalization form |
| 14:45.08 | sudobash | me too |
| 14:45.10 | stoned | 400$ man |
| 14:45.20 | SoulChild | How do i activate promiscuous mode for my intel 2915 W-Lan Card ??? |
| 14:45.22 | sudobash | i need hash |
| 14:45.22 | stoned | hopefully by the end of this year I should be an american citizen |
| 14:45.32 | stoned | then I can get my girlywife woman here |
| 14:45.36 | stoned | sponsor her a visa n shit |
| 14:45.41 | sudobash | what is your nationality? |
| 14:45.44 | stoned | pakistani |
| 14:46.03 | stoned | man they wanted to know everything |
| 14:46.13 | stoned | I got a possession of marijuana charge on me, and simple battery |
| 14:46.26 | mavhc | 1.5 volts? |
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| 14:46.27 | palestinian | someone wish help with wireless? |
| 14:46.28 | cast | morning all |
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| 14:46.44 | Gnu_Raiz | sure ask awaY |
| 14:46.44 | jelly-home | SoulChild: load the module with appropriate mode= option for Monitor mode, I think |
| 14:46.59 | sudobash | where are you stoned? we need to get high together... |
| 14:47.04 | sudobash | weed is going to be legal soon enough |
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| 14:47.07 | stoned | both dismissed, first one wasn't my fault, judge knew that, I was let off. on simple battery, some asshole was giving me shit in oklahoma on 9/11/2003 and I had to defend myself, but the cop still charged me with simple battery even though I was trying to defnd myself from persecution |
| 14:47.10 | jelly-home | SoulChild: there's #ipw2100 channel for ipw2100, 2200 etc. issues |
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| 14:47.23 | SoulChild | jelly-home: ok thanks |
| 14:47.42 | sudobash | i hate the US |
| 14:47.48 | sudobash | everyone hates us |
| 14:47.50 | stoned | they wanted to know exact dates I left and entered the us since I got my green card |
| 14:47.57 | Gnu_Raiz | believes stoned fits a certain profile! |
| 14:48.01 | stoned | it was a bunch of shit |
| 14:48.32 | sudobash | weed will be legal as soon as Bush get impeached |
| 14:48.39 | stoned | and I don't understand these moronic rednecks man |
| 14:48.42 | stoned | I don't even look arab |
| 14:48.48 | stoned | infact, I look sooo indian its not even funny |
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| 14:48.53 | stoned | i got no facial hai |
| 14:48.56 | sudobash | haha yeah the US is full of red necks and hicks |
| 14:48.57 | stoned | no turbans on my head |
| 14:49.03 | Gnu_Raiz | the other dude probably looked more like j6p, so stoned got the heat. |
| 14:49.06 | sudobash | lol just a joint in your mouth! |
| 14:49.15 | stoned | bah fuck it |
| 14:49.16 | stoned | !ot |
| 14:49.16 | dpkg | #debian-offtopic is not a place where nolife from #debian can come at will and feel at home. find another place ffs |
| 14:49.21 | stoned | who the fuck |
| 14:49.29 | asg | !factinfo ot |
| 14:49.29 | dpkg | ot -- last modified at Fri Apr 27 14:57:43 2007 by jethro!n=jethro@88.191.19.2; it has been requested 25 times, last by stoned, 13s ago. |
| 14:49.34 | jelly-home | haha |
| 14:49.40 | sudobash | but seriously as soon as Bush is impeached |
| 14:49.49 | stoned | sudobash: no politics in here please |
| 14:49.58 | jelly-home | that's unusually rude for a dpkg factoid |
| 14:50.01 | asg | stoned: he was probably a little drunk and his French came out involuntarily. |
| 14:50.04 | sudobash | yeah well thats when weed will be legal |
| 14:50.06 | azeem | sudobash: please keep it on topic |
| 14:50.06 | stoned | asg: hehe |
| 14:50.18 | asg | s/french/frenglish/ |
| 14:50.26 | stoned | lol |
| 14:50.34 | stoned | thats funny asg, im gonna use that one |
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| 14:50.49 | stoned | with us we say hindi + english |
| 14:50.51 | stoned | or Hinglish |
| 14:50.52 | stoned | hehe |
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| 14:52.17 | stoned | well anyway, if i hadn't filed for my citizenship application today, after the 30th it would be 700$+ instead of 400 |
| 14:52.23 | stoned | =D |
| 14:52.29 | dvs | stoned: rip off! |
| 14:52.33 | stoned | i know man |
| 14:52.43 | dvs | At least the INS doesn't exist anymore. |
| 14:52.50 | stoned | yeh |
| 14:52.54 | stoned | dhs now |
| 14:52.57 | dvs | I hated those bastards! |
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| 14:53.02 | stoned | heh |
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| 14:53.11 | stoned | they were nice to me when i was a kid |
| 14:53.21 | stoned | i haven't done any immigration stuff since I was 12 |
| 14:53.45 | dvs | They turned me away at the border when I was going for my job in the States |
| 14:53.52 | stoned | i wanna put down on my passport, religion: debianism |
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| 14:53.54 | stoned | haha |
| 14:54.06 | stoned | dvs: ouch |
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| 14:54.41 | dvs | stoned: Yeah, thank God I decided to get the TN-94 a couple of days before I actually left. |
| 14:54.48 | dvs | moved |
| 14:54.50 | stoned | our holy prophet dpkg (peace be upon him) prophesised the coming of aptitude! |
| 14:55.21 | stoned | etc. |
| 14:55.40 | stoned | I should write a whole funny... thing... about debian and stuff |
| 14:55.42 | stoned | like the fable |
| 14:55.45 | stoned | !fable |
| 14:55.45 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/TheFable? |
| 14:55.55 | stoned | you've read this dvs |
| 14:55.58 | stoned | this shit is hilarious man |
| 14:56.08 | dvs | nope, can't say I have. |
| 14:56.08 | HardDisk_WP | how do I send SIGSTOP/SIGCONT to a process?? |
| 14:56.15 | sudobash | join #polotics |
| 14:56.15 | azeem | HardDisk_WP: kill |
| 14:56.22 | stoned | HardDisk_WP: man kill |
| 14:56.32 | mavhc | religion: no |
| 14:56.40 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
| 14:56.46 | stoned | dvs: check it out, its like a fantasy novel |
| 14:56.47 | stoned | lol |
| 14:57.08 | liable | with a sad ending |
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| 14:57.28 | jelly-home | liable: the butler did it? |
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| 14:58.13 | stoned | who dun it? |
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| 14:59.13 | stoned | when I run 1600x1200@75Hz my screen shakes at the sides pretty badly |
| 14:59.15 | sudobash | wow so firefox has exploits in the debian package? |
| 14:59.25 | stoned | when I run it at @60Hz its stable |
| 14:59.28 | stoned | doesn't shake |
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| 14:59.41 | stoned | any ideas whats up |
| 14:59.47 | Gnu_Raiz | stoned: your monitor doesn't support that resolution properly. |
| 14:59.51 | stoned | it doesn't matter what resolution it is, 75Hz shakes |
| 14:59.54 | liable | sudobash: lots of firefox versions have had security bugs |
| 14:59.55 | stoned | Gnu_Raiz: it does |
| 15:00.07 | jelly-home | stoned: what about 85Hz? |
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| 15:00.13 | dvs | stoned: is it an LCD monitor? |
| 15:00.24 | stoned | for that I have to drop my resolution lower but 85 let me check |
| 15:00.37 | Gnu_Raiz | I have that problem too. |
| 15:00.41 | stoned | yup |
| 15:00.43 | stoned | still shaking |
| 15:01.06 | Paco090 | can I insert some kind of a wildcard in /etc/hosts so I can assign several names on a single IP? |
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| 15:01.16 | stoned | its a Dell M993S flatscreen CRT |
| 15:01.23 | stoned | 30-69/50-160 |
| 15:01.41 | jelly-home | if it only shook at 1600 (and not eg. 1024x768), I'd say it's the monitor's limits |
| 15:01.48 | stoned | 30-96* |
| 15:01.50 | asg | Paco090: the /etc/hosts format allows for multiple entries in the 3rd field. |
| 15:01.54 | pingouin | how to escape an - caractère in a name of a file ? like -foo.txt , i can't cat it, mv it or so... |
| 15:02.03 | stoned | jelly-home: no it does it on any res, but at anythign more than 60 |
| 15:02.13 | jelly-home | pingouin: cat ./-foo.txt |
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| 15:02.32 | pingouin | jelly-home: perfect, many thanks !! |
| 15:02.34 | asg | Paco090: escape with '\' |
| 15:02.38 | sudobash | yeah the debian fable is funny |
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| 15:03.21 | Paco090 | asg: something like - 127.0.0.1 \*.paco.com ? |
| 15:03.27 | asg | Paco090: also you can prevent further processing of command line options with '--' in most utilities (i.e., cat -- -foo.txt) |
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| 15:03.40 | jelly-home | asg: that was for pingouin |
| 15:03.41 | asg | Paco090: sorry, wrong person. |
| 15:04.06 | asg | Paco090: no, something like 127.0.0.1 canonical.paco.com alias1 alias2 |
| 15:05.12 | jelly-home | some other OSes only care about the first two names in /etc/hosts, so it might not be smart to get used to that... instead, one can put multiple lines for the same IP |
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| 15:06.50 | qrck | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.07 | jelly-home | !pie |
| 15:07.07 | dpkg | pie is, like, NOT a mathematical term. It's a food. or about 8.539734222677. |
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| 15:07.28 | liable | qrck: eh? |
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| 15:07.49 | qrck | liable ? |
| 15:08.26 | liable | qrck: what does unpack mean, and what do you mean by recognise? |
| 15:08.38 | jelly-home | qrck: new linux-image -> new compile |
| 15:08.59 | jelly-home | qrck: eg. vmware and other funny modules need to be rebuilt |
| 15:09.01 | qrck | liable: those module-sources installed with module-assistant i meant |
| 15:09.20 | qrck | jelly-home, so i don't have to compile manually ok thank you |
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| 15:09.39 | jelly-home | qrck: no, but you still need to rerun m-a |
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| 15:10.05 | liable | qrck: module assistant install the binaries. so if you install a new image, you need to run m-a again |
| 15:10.13 | qrck | ok thank you i will do it right after all sources get downloaded |
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| 15:11.22 | subx | why is there a long delay when i try and ssh into my server what is on my LAN? |
| 15:11.52 | subx | i have to wait for about 5-10 seconds before the password prompt comes up |
| 15:12.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: why is grouch.app in the games section ? |
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| 15:12.54 | hermogenes | abrotman: debtags classify it in game::toys section |
| 15:13.05 | abrotman | !info grouch.app lenny |
| 15:13.10 | dpkg | grouch.app: (AOL and ICQ Instant Messenger client for GNUstep), section games, is optional. Version: 0.0.20061002-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 246 kB, Installed size: 1076 kB |
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| 15:13.14 | abrotman | hermogenes: i'm aware of what it says .. it's an IM client |
| 15:13.44 | liable | because its gnustep? ;) |
| 15:14.06 | azeem | abrotman: AOL and ICQ aren't serious IM protocols |
| 15:14.11 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 15:14.39 | abrotman | azeem: that does seem wrong though .. right ? |
| 15:15.03 | azeem | abrotman: yeah, it looks wrong |
| 15:15.14 | azeem | ... the fact you're looking at gnustep apps, that is |
| 15:15.21 | abrotman | i was looking in the games section! |
| 15:15.51 | azeem | probably tarzeau's debian/ template has Section: games, because he ITP's at least five a week |
| 15:16.12 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:16.19 | liable | heh |
| 15:16.27 | Paco090 | asg: jelly-home: I'm trying to do something like wildcard DNS for a 3rd level domain that works locally |
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| 15:16.35 | azeem | thihi |
| 15:16.37 | azeem | !dbugs 373564 |
| 15:16.40 | dpkg | DONE:#373564:N[grouch.app] grouch.app: Doesn't belong in "games" section...; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:03:06 UTC |
| 15:16.44 | asg | Paco090: you'll have to use bind to do that, /etc/hosts will not work |
| 15:16.48 | azeem | DONE! |
| 15:16.50 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 15:17.01 | azeem | Fixed in version grouch.app/0.0.20060713-1 by Gürkan Sengün <gurkan@linuks.mine.nu>; |
| 15:17.04 | liable | thihi? |
| 15:17.10 | Paco090 | asg: aha , thanks |
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| 15:17.40 | azeem | liable: I assume the bug is still present |
| 15:18.06 | azeem | at least packages.qa.debian.org/crouch.app lists it as Section: games still, and I guess that is based on unstable data |
| 15:18.09 | azeem | but *shrug* |
| 15:18.10 | liable | azeem: oh, thihi is an acronym? |
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| 15:18.27 | liable | or a typo? |
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| 15:18.32 | azeem | liable: no, it's like hihi, but with a t in front of it |
| 15:18.47 | azeem | it looks less stupid, IMHO |
| 15:19.17 | liable | now to make me feel more stupid, whats hihi? |
| 15:19.19 | jelly-home | heh |
| 15:19.48 | jelly-home | liable: it's almost, but not quite, like hehe |
| 15:20.18 | asg | jelly-home: pronounced 'tee-hee' like the name of the villain in Live and Let Die. |
| 15:20.21 | liable | ah! teehee, like a little girly kinda laugh ;) |
| 15:21.25 | liable | no offence meant.. (if it may be read that way) :P |
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| 15:23.21 | abrotman | okay .. we won't try that again .. |
| 15:24.17 | abrotman | at least my power button worked |
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| 15:24.33 | liable | blame tarzeau ? |
| 15:25.04 | abrotman | no .. not his |
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| 15:26.39 | atk_ | Hi. How do I find out what options were used to compile a certain package? |
| 15:27.14 | azeem | look in the source package |
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| 15:28.11 | liable | 24, the number of [BX] users i want to kill already today |
| 15:29.52 | jelly-home | liable: what about quit messages ... with TYPOS?? |
| 15:30.33 | liable | jelly-home: i have the death squad mobilised already |
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| 15:32.50 | atk_ | azeem: thanks though vim --version did actually tell me what I needed :) |
| 15:33.11 | thisiz | hi, can someone assist me in resolving a problem with my kvpnc using gnome on debian etch? |
| 15:33.43 | thisiz | i have imported the cisco pcf file and it keeps getting connected but then disconnects after 1 or 2 minutes |
| 15:33.54 | thisiz | i have used different pcf files and the same issue |
| 15:34.42 | thisiz | is kvpnc supported under gnome? |
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| 15:35.20 | thisiz | anybody ? |
| 15:36.14 | azeem | thisiz: do you use network-manager? |
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| 15:36.35 | thisiz | azeem: no |
| 15:37.12 | azeem | well, anyway, if it connects but then disconnects, that could be a problem on the other side? |
| 15:37.31 | subx | what tool do u use to uncompress a .gz ? |
| 15:37.33 | abraxas__ | !source kernel |
| 15:37.42 | azeem | subx: gunzip |
| 15:37.42 | abraxas__ | :-( |
| 15:37.47 | subx | thnx |
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| 15:38.02 | thisiz | i thought so but no - i have tested using windows and continouos connection |
| 15:38.03 | abraxas__ | how can i know the commands of the bot to get help? |
| 15:38.16 | azeem | abraxas__: what kind of help do you need? |
| 15:38.41 | abraxas__ | azeem, how to download the kernel source with aptitude,to install alsa I need the kernel source |
| 15:39.12 | azeem | no, you don't |
| 15:39.42 | abraxas__ | azeem, yes,i downloaded the last version of alsa and when I do ./configure it ask for the kernel sources |
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| 15:40.41 | azeem | abraxas__: why don't you use the alsa modules in the kernel? |
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| 15:41.21 | abraxas__ | azeem, because despite it detect my card and the mixer is configured ok...i have not sound, and in #alsa they told me maybe installing the last version i can solve the problem |
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| 15:43.44 | abraxas__ | :-( |
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| 15:43.56 | liable | abraxas__: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` (will fix your compiling problem, dunno about your alsa problem) |
| 15:44.20 | abraxas__ | liable, thnx |
| 15:45.18 | hark | abraxas__: etch? |
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| 15:45.45 | abraxas__ | hark, yes |
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| 15:46.55 | hark | you can try 'm-a a-i alsa', it should get you 1.0.13-5 |
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| 15:47.45 | secher | Umm.. is e17 in Unstable??????? |
| 15:47.50 | hark | no |
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| 15:48.07 | secher | Ok, I didn't think I could miss that bit of news.. |
| 15:48.37 | hark | !dr17 |
| 15:48.38 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/, or debs for dr17 under unstable are available at http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ |
| 15:49.09 | nvz | so how could I like.. take a movie file and make it play slower all the time I can slow down playback with vlc but it goes to normal speed if I loop it.. I want to like reencode it to play half speed . |
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| 15:49.16 | hark | don't know if they're still updated :) |
| 15:49.44 | _svl | hi! how to make mouse pointer move slower in xwndows? |
| 15:49.48 | liable | i wish they would fucking release it |
| 15:49.54 | nvz | _svl: man xset |
| 15:49.55 | liable | its quite nice |
| 15:50.02 | stoned | nvz: man |
| 15:50.05 | stoned | dude |
| 15:50.17 | nvz | stoned: duude, man |
| 15:50.18 | alien_ | hi, how can i acquire second ip on the same nic? |
| 15:50.37 | liable | make an alias, man ifconfig |
| 15:50.41 | alien_ | dynamic ip |
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| 15:51.26 | nvz | stoned: are you by chance think as I high am right now? |
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| 15:52.00 | stoned | what? |
| 15:52.16 | stoned | what dude you're totally beyond that man |
| 15:52.19 | sn0 | i guess not :-) |
| 15:52.21 | nvz | stoned: are you? |
| 15:52.32 | stoned | yes but thats not.. what? |
| 15:52.39 | stoned | why? |
| 15:52.44 | nvz | heh |
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| 15:52.53 | stoned | =( |
| 15:53.02 | stoned | necrophagist is good |
| 15:53.04 | liable | !confuse stoned |
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| 15:53.04 | dpkg | No, how is my pants today, stoned? lederhosen of the republic of belarus with extra herring |
| 15:53.04 | atk_ | nvz: you took the wrong pills, didn't you? |
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| 15:53.13 | nvz | I'm wondering how to change the framerate of a movie file or something or otherwise how to loop it in half speed |
| 15:53.24 | stoned | you can do that with mplayer can't you |
| 15:53.30 | stoned | specify what fps to go with the movie |
| 15:53.39 | nvz | I'm thinking so |
| 15:53.41 | stoned | i think it is either -fps blah or fps=blah in optinos file |
| 15:53.45 | liable | nvz: mplayer can slow it, i guess mencoder can encode it slower if you so wish |
| 15:53.49 | cast | -fps 12 |
| 15:53.53 | nvz | vlc resets the speed when it restarts the video |
| 15:54.01 | stoned | fuck vlc man |
| 15:54.06 | nvz | I'll see what mplayer does |
| 15:54.08 | stoned | who cares about vlc when you have mplayer |
| 15:54.21 | liable | vlc is ok |
| 15:54.34 | nvz | its no mplayer |
| 15:54.35 | stoned | nvz: you can also push '.' and use it again to go frame by frame and to release it I think its / i dunno |
| 15:54.40 | stoned | i dunno what / that |
| 15:54.43 | stoned | does |
| 15:54.46 | stoned | yet |
| 15:56.31 | stoned | i might try to find out soon as this song is finished though |
| 15:57.09 | hermogenes | a like vlc more than mplayer |
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| 15:57.30 | hermogenes | i prefer xine, though |
| 15:57.32 | jelly-home | vlc has a decent ui |
| 15:57.56 | nvz | I like xine but mplayer does more it seems |
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| 15:58.17 | jelly-home | nvz: mplayer has default keybindings for speed [ and ] |
| 15:58.31 | hermogenes | yes, mplayer has more features |
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| 15:58.40 | jelly-home | there's no pitch correction for sounds, though |
| 15:58.41 | hermogenes | more than i need |
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| 15:59.11 | jelly-home | I got used to mplayer, way back when it was pretty much the only thing that could play divxes |
| 15:59.16 | hermogenes | on the other hand vlc and xine are more sane players |
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| 16:01.40 | stoned | i like mplayer for what it is and what it does, but more than anything else, I like it because of in depth mouse button config |
| 16:01.51 | stoned | works good especially for multimedia rodents |
| 16:02.50 | stoned | I feel like a happy on crack eddie murphy when I use it, its just so good |
| 16:02.51 | stoned | :D |
| 16:03.06 | hermogenes | stoned: well... i am a ratpoison user, so ... |
| 16:03.28 | hermogenes | stoned: that may be it |
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| 16:03.40 | abraxas__ | how to download with aptitude the kernel sources? |
| 16:03.46 | stoned | I'm not ratpoison 'leet' |
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| 16:04.22 | peterS | abraxas__: just aptitude install linux-source-2.6.22 or whatever, it gives you a tarball in /usr/src or something |
| 16:04.29 | stoned | im a simple desktopianite |
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| 16:04.40 | ruben | Hi, I have this message restarting/starting mysql on Debian Etch, it is normal? Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables.. |
| 16:04.55 | stoned | its juts checking for stuff man |
| 16:05.00 | stoned | its ok |
| 16:05.05 | ruben | ahh thanks :) |
| 16:05.19 | bonez39 | how to set up a local dns server...where two different email servers will run (exim4 on one box, and zimbra email on other), with dynamic IP address? |
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| 16:05.47 | abraxas__ | peterS, thats the same if my actual kernel is 18,right? |
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| 16:05.59 | eth01 | how can i see the list of users on my machine? |
| 16:06.09 | hermogenes | stoned: theres no "leet". i just find todays desktops UIs a mess |
| 16:06.19 | peterS | abraxas__: try 'apt-cache show linux-source-2.6.18' to see what you will get |
| 16:06.20 | cast | w, cat /etc/passwd, ls /home |
| 16:06.33 | wlu | I am having a problem with setting up two video cards. One of the is recognized but not the other. They are both ATI sapphire dual heads. 07:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 71c1 (rev 9e) |
| 16:06.38 | wlu | any ideas |
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| 16:07.16 | cxhan | who |
| 16:07.28 | wlu | eth01: either users or who |
| 16:07.50 | abraxas__ | peterS, package: linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 16:07.51 | peterS | wlu: first of all, the "unknown device 71c1" just means the lspci database doesn't know about it, it has nothing to do with whether the X radeon driver knows about it. That said... |
| 16:08.07 | peterS | abraxas__: yeah, read the package description to see what you will get |
| 16:08.50 | peterS | wlu: that said, are you using the non-free fglrx driver or the xserver-xorg-video-ati package that comes with debian? |
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| 16:10.40 | wlu | peterS: I am using the xserver-xorg-video-ati. However, the people that built the machine for me also compiled the non-free fglrx. |
| 16:11.32 | peterS | wlu: so ummm, you have 2 video cards, both are dual-head, for a total of 4 heads on this machine? and only 1 card, 2 heads, works? |
| 16:12.30 | wlu | peterS: correct. there is also a built in video card. Do you think one driver two video cards is a problem |
| 16:12.30 | peterS | wlu: my first guess is that the cause is lack of BIOS initialisation of the second card. some X drivers can deal with this situation, others cannot. I don't know the status of the ati / radeon driver. |
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| 16:13.26 | peterS | wlu: another possibility is that you're just not specifying the right things in xorg.conf. when you have more than one of a card, you have to tell it the exact PCI address of each card that you want it to use. |
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| 16:14.16 | ruben | on mysql5, what is the way to use log to see 'errors' etc ? |
| 16:15.17 | peterS | wlu: can you upload your xorg.conf to a web server somewhere? (a pastebin will do if you don't have another) |
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| 16:15.44 | AciD | I stumble upon an odd -feature- of mount version 2.12r-19 (etch) : I can t use mount anymore, it keeps telling me : mount:Non established function / http://rafb.net/p/X7ESuW83.html |
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| 16:16.51 | wlu | yes sure, I will do that now |
| 16:16.53 | peterS | AciD: well that's pretty odd. |
| 16:17.03 | AciD | indeed |
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| 16:17.10 | peterS | wlu: I have to leave soon, so if you don't post it soon, I won't see it. fyi. |
| 16:17.14 | jelly-home | AciD: tried stracing it yet? |
| 16:17.31 | AciD | I dunno if their is a link, but I just used mkfs.xfs -f /dev/hdc1 -b size=65536 -i size=2048 before |
| 16:17.37 | AciD | no, on my way |
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| 16:18.10 | peterS | AciD: "function not implemented" sounds like the ENOSYS error returned from the kernel. I wonder if there's something screwy with your kernel |
| 16:18.23 | jelly-home | like, no support for xfs |
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| 16:18.37 | peterS | no, lack of support for a given filesystem would be a different error |
| 16:18.40 | AciD | Linux DrumNBass 2.6.13.1 #2 Tue Sep 20 14:40:02 CEST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux, vanilla from debian repository |
| 16:18.45 | wlu | peterS: here it is http://pastebin.com/m64706f5c |
| 16:18.57 | AciD | jelly > my other xfs part are ok and running |
| 16:19.12 | peterS | reading... |
| 16:19.52 | eth01 | how can i edit what my machine loads with? |
| 16:19.57 | eth01 | its loading apache2, when i removed it |
| 16:20.07 | peterS | wlu: you said you were using the 'ati' driver, not the 'fglrx' driver |
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| 16:20.15 | jelly-home | eth01: how did you remove it? |
| 16:20.26 | SoulChild | What does this mean, and how to fix it: Driver for device eth2 has been compiled with version 22 |
| 16:20.26 | SoulChild | of Wireless Extension, while this program supports up to version 20. |
| 16:20.26 | SoulChild | Some things may be broken. |
| 16:20.34 | eth01 | apt-get remove apache* |
| 16:21.22 | wlu | peterS: This is the latest xorg.conf others I have used the ati driver too |
| 16:21.30 | jelly-home | SoulChild: your wireless-tools are outdated |
| 16:21.45 | SoulChild | jelly-home: hmmm ,... and how to fix ? |
| 16:21.58 | jelly-home | SoulChild: upgrade wireless-tools package? :-) |
| 16:22.12 | peterS | wlu: so does lspci confirm that "PCI:7:0:0" and "PCI:9:0:0" are correct? |
| 16:22.29 | peterS | (yes, the syntax of the address is slightly different from what lspci reports) |
| 16:22.40 | bonez39 | How would I set up a local dns server...where two different email servers will run (exim4 on one box, and zimbra email on other), with dynamic IP address, on the same LAN? |
| 16:23.17 | SoulChild | jelly-home: since lenny is having problems,... my package are up to date |
| 16:23.37 | AciD | here is the strace : http://rafb.net/p/L2gRIm31.html |
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| 16:23.55 | AciD | stat64("/sbin/mount.xfs", 0xbf9c07a4) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 16:23.55 | AciD | mount("/dev/hdc1", "/opt/nouveausystem/", "xfs", MS_MGC_VAL, NULL) = -1 ENOSYS (Function not implemented) |
| 16:24.04 | AciD | it s odd |
| 16:24.12 | wlu | peterS: yes;09:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 71c1 (rev 9e) and 07:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 71c1 (rev 9e). |
| 16:24.20 | AciD | how my other xfs part are mounted then ? :x |
| 16:24.20 | peterS | AciD: as I suspected - ENOSYS from the kernel |
| 16:25.23 | jelly-home | eth01: that command is not really valid, what did you _really_ do? can you pastebin output of dpkg -l '*apache*'|grep ^.i |
| 16:25.33 | AciD | Ill upgrade it then, though I dont get why it s not working with only this partition |
| 16:25.40 | SoulChild | what is the differnce between monitor mode and promiscuous mode ? |
| 16:25.46 | peterS | AciD: the other question is why it is trying to mount /opt/nouveausystem as xfs while your fstab file has it as reiserfs |
| 16:26.05 | jelly-home | SoulChild: I _think_ in monitor mode the card can only listen, but not send anything |
| 16:26.19 | peterS | AciD: hmmm, it's also calling hdc1 /opt/nouveausystem, which also doesn't match the fstab you posted |
| 16:26.24 | AciD | ah my bad, it was /opt/dl3 |
| 16:26.58 | AciD | peterS > thats because I used wrong cmdline arguments |
| 16:27.10 | SoulChild | jelly-home: that sound right |
| 16:27.50 | peterS | wlu: so hmmm, let me get this straight. you want 5 heads. currently you have 3 heads - your VESA VGA card, and one of your ATI cards. |
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| 16:29.16 | wlu | no: In want three heads. I got two dual heads ati and the board came with one. The reason why I did not want to use the board's video card is because it is not that good. I did not want two screens looking good and one looks bad. |
| 16:29.49 | wlu | peterS: sorry see above |
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| 16:29.59 | peterS | well, you have 5 heads defined in xorg.conf. what configuration are you actually looking for? |
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| 16:30.46 | wlu | peterS: all I want is to have three monitors using the two sapphire cards |
| 16:32.03 | peterS | wlu: what I see missing is those SubSection "Display" inside your Screen definitions. you have that for the vesa screen, not for the ATI screens. I'd go ahead and add at least one of those, for depth 24, in each screen |
| 16:32.35 | eth01 | apt-get install klatin right? |
| 16:32.47 | peterS | (I mean, you have that stuff for the first ATI head, not for the VESA one) |
| 16:33.02 | wlu | petersS: I will try that and let you know |
| 16:33.26 | peterS | don't bother copying the Display SubSections for depths 1, 4, 8, 15, 16. you won't need those. |
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| 16:35.07 | wlu | peterS: Thanks |
| 16:35.18 | wlu | will let you know |
| 16:35.48 | peterS | wlu: correction: I see you do have a SubSection "Display" in each section. but they don't have any Modes. |
| 16:36.04 | peterS | so just copy the Modes line in there |
| 16:36.18 | wlu | ok will do |
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| 16:37.40 | abraxas__ | how can I build the latest version of alsa from the kernel? |
| 16:38.00 | wlu | peterS: thanks a lot |
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| 16:39.08 | sussudio | tarzeau: what could you possibly need a year's logs for. |
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| 16:41.21 | MangosDebian | sussudio: hey, while your here :) How big is the last months log for debian uncompressed and/or compressed? |
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| 16:41.47 | sussudio | MangosDebian: why? |
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| 16:42.14 | MangosDebian | sussudio: looking to compare. rough estimate but closer the better |
| 16:42.43 | MangosDebian | or any ~ one month of debian logs |
| 16:42.45 | sussudio | about 500MB uncompressed a day? |
| 16:42.54 | MangosDebian | ?! |
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| 16:43.05 | sussudio | or KB |
| 16:43.14 | MangosDebian | ok lol, was going to say |
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| 16:46.48 | MangosDebian | you break your logs up by day or week or month? |
| 16:46.55 | bonez39 | dynamic DNS to serve two mail servers on one LAN? |
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| 16:48.20 | MangosDebian | sussudio: may I msg you? wanna do some comparisons with you if you don't mind |
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| 16:51.05 | abraxas__ | someone can tell me how to solve it for the sound? http://pastebin.com/m273f3f12 it happened when I downloaded the sources and installed the latest version of ALSA |
| 16:51.29 | sussudio | MangosDebian: no? |
| 16:51.29 | Supaplex | so it worked before? |
| 16:51.41 | Supaplex | abraxas__: so it worked before you upgraded? |
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| 16:52.02 | abraxas__ | Supaplex, no,because of it I installed the last version |
| 16:52.18 | sussudio | it's an eggdrop log. it's not going to be different. |
| 16:52.43 | MangosDebian | sussudio: its going to be very different from my logs I assure you |
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| 16:53.21 | MangosDebian | sussudio: im trying to find out just how much smaller mine are. but I need you to give me a size and a time frame. say 1 week or from 1st of month to today etc |
| 16:53.41 | MangosDebian | ....and be honest please :) |
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| 16:54.23 | abraxas__ | :-( |
| 16:54.36 | abraxas__ | plz,i want to listen music and watch porn videos with sound |
| 16:55.07 | sussudio | MangosDebian: why would they be smaller |
| 16:55.12 | Supaplex | abraxas__: is snd_hda_intel your soundcard? |
| 16:55.23 | Supaplex | abraxas__: did you check dmesg? what's it say? |
| 16:55.28 | abraxas__ | Supaplex, yes |
| 16:55.36 | nevaways2k | !fbcon |
| 16:55.36 | dpkg | it has been said that fbcon is a graphics driver built into the kernel that accesses the video cards memory directly in a linear io, framebuffered X is just a way of using that kernel's framebuffer for graphics instead of the application itself having to know how the card works.. executive summary: it's hardware abstraction of the video, or slow, slow, slow... |
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| 16:56.12 | MangosDebian | sussudio: db with heavy normalization. although the saved space may be lost in the extra comma's |
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| 16:56.39 | sussudio | ... |
| 16:57.03 | abraxas__ | Supaplex, http://pastebin.com/m4f7a67df before upgrading the dmesg was ok,everything was ok,the alsa detected the card, the mixer was ok but still didnt got sound and nobody knew why...so in #alsa told me to install the latest version and now see |
| 16:57.06 | MangosDebian | sussudio: over a 1 hour period I doubt there would be much difference, but over a longer period theres no way a flat file can be smaller |
| 16:57.06 | Supaplex | sussudio: is MangosDebian a megahal bot? ;) |
| 16:57.09 | sussudio | -rw-r--r-- 1 piggy piggy 805579 Jul 28 00:00 debian.log.20070727 |
| 16:57.16 | MangosDebian | Supaplex: ? |
| 16:57.28 | Supaplex | MangosDebian: </tease> :) |
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| 16:58.08 | MangosDebian | sussudio: thanks, give me a minute, i gotta dump everything but that date. although its a tad unfair since I still have 50k id's :/ |
| 16:58.11 | abraxas__ | Supaplex, i did a backup with the old modules |
| 16:58.19 | SoulChild | Hey is there a way to find out which channel is used by a a W-LAN network ? |
| 16:58.20 | MangosDebian | s/dump/drop/ |
| 16:58.44 | Supaplex | abraxas__: I'd search google for "disagrees about version of symbol" "Unknown symbol" |
| 16:58.57 | hark | abraxas__: 1.0.13-5 wasn't good enough? |
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| 17:00.24 | abraxas__ | hark, it was but i hand t sound |
| 17:01.10 | cabaire | did anyone succeed installing truecrypt using truecrypt-installer? |
| 17:02.12 | SoulChild | !tell cabaire about anyone |
| 17:02.18 | hark | abraxas__: did you try with the command i gave earlier? |
| 17:02.29 | MangosDebian | cabaire: worked fine for me |
| 17:02.47 | hark | or compiled your own? |
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| 17:04.24 | abraxas__ | hark, what command/?, i cant find it |
| 17:04.25 | SoulChild | The people in ubuntu channel do help me much more often, than here in debian channel ? any idea why ? |
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| 17:05.31 | MangosDebian | man this is gonna take a lot of sql to remove everything but that day |
| 17:06.58 | abraxas__ | howto build the latest alsa-driver to get rid of unresolved symvols??? |
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| 17:08.22 | _andrejkw | Hey guys :) |
| 17:08.32 | _andrejkw | What's the package for DHCP in Debian called? |
| 17:08.47 | _andrejkw | So I can use DHCP with my netrwork interface. |
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| 17:09.38 | abraxas__ | someone can help me? |
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| 17:10.57 | cast | !tell _andrejkw about search |
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| 17:11.24 | ampex2 | how can I determine which I/O scheduler my kernel is currently using? |
| 17:11.38 | cast | though, if you want to be a dhcp client, i would have thought that would be in the default install already |
| 17:12.29 | xingu | ampex: cat /sys/block/*/queue/scheduler |
| 17:12.53 | nevaways2k | what choices do you have for schedulers? |
| 17:13.24 | ampex2 | ok, I'm using cfq |
| 17:13.31 | ampex2 | thanks |
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| 17:14.51 | abraxas__ | howto build the latest alsa-driver to get rid of unresolved symvols??? |
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| 17:15.53 | jelly-home | abraxas__: use m-a? |
| 17:16.29 | jelly-home | abraxas__: what version of alsa drivers do you need? |
| 17:16.39 | abraxas__ | jelly, in #alsa told me to install the last version of alsa and I fucked all...and now they said I need to build latest alsa-driver to get rid of unresolved symbols |
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| 17:17.34 | jelly-home | abraxas__: ah, their advice might not be the best thing to do for debian |
| 17:17.51 | abraxas__ | well, in #debian told me "go to #alsa" |
| 17:18.26 | abraxas__ | jelly, how can I solve it? |
| 17:18.39 | jelly-home | abraxas__: well, install the latest alsa-driver? |
| 17:19.04 | abraxas__ | jelly, that's what i did |
| 17:19.13 | jelly-home | abraxas__: which release of debian do you have? Do you have kernel headers installed? |
| 17:19.19 | abraxas__ | 4.0 |
| 17:19.21 | abraxas__ | yes |
| 17:19.42 | jelly-home | abraxas__: what did you do, and how exactly does it not work now? |
| 17:20.27 | abraxas__ | jelly, , i downloaded the sources of the kernel,i downloaded the drivers and I installed them |
| 17:20.32 | abraxas__ | and now ill show u what happened |
| 17:20.53 | jelly-home | abraxas__: use a pastebin if you're going to paste more than 2-3 lines |
| 17:21.00 | abraxas__ | this problem with alsa http://pastebin.com/m18d0118c this is the dmesg: http://pastebin.com/m4f7a67df |
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| 17:23.27 | abraxas__ | jelly-home, I made a backup before install the new driver, and I did put them back but it didnt solve my problem |
| 17:24.18 | jelly-home | abraxas__: um, did you backup all of sound/alsa modules? |
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| 17:24.52 | abraxas__ | jelly-home, only this: /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/sound |
| 17:25.02 | massctrl | Is here someone that uses pptp client to connect to the relakks.com service ? |
| 17:26.12 | jelly-home | abraxas__: hm, that ought to be enough afaict |
| 17:26.28 | abraxas__ | jelly-home, it didnt solve the new problem |
| 17:26.48 | jelly-home | abraxas__: I guess you can always wipe /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686 and reinstall linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 17:27.07 | abraxas__ | what u mean with wipe? |
| 17:27.18 | abraxas__ | sorry,my english is bad |
| 17:27.20 | jelly-home | abraxas__: rm or mv it away |
| 17:27.30 | abraxas__ | ah,ok,ill delete it... |
| 17:27.38 | jelly-home | move is preferred ;-) |
| 17:27.52 | abraxas__ | the linux-image ill reinstall with synaptics,ok? |
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| 17:28.13 | jelly-home | sure, whatever apt frontend you use |
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| 17:29.35 | nohaycubetto | silly question: i wwant to run a scp on a debian server, but its a bit long, so i want it to keep running once i've disconnected, i don't know how to use at, or how to "detach" it from console |
| 17:29.50 | abrotman | nohaycubetto: nohup or screen |
| 17:30.00 | nohaycubetto | at the end of command? |
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| 17:30.23 | nohaycubetto | ok i foudn it, thanks abrotman |
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| 17:31.46 | p3rti | hi.. i have a little problem with apache2. i have on php.ini erro_reporting = E_ALL but when i try to install joomla it say that show errors is off :S |
| 17:31.51 | p3rti | what it could be? |
| 17:32.01 | abrotman | they can overwrite that |
| 17:32.06 | abraxas__ | jelly-home, than alsaconf again or reinstall alsa? |
| 17:32.17 | Supaplex | p3rti: check phpinfo make sure php.ini is where you think it is |
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| 17:34.01 | p3rti | Supaplex, too wear when i try to enter to phpinfo it show a blank page with <? phpinfo(); ?> on page source |
| 17:34.10 | nohaycubetto | p3rti check in the aapache2 config for that virtual host too, you can chanage it there, and in htaccess |
| 17:34.46 | p3rti | nohaycubetto, wait.. i'm worried because.. phpinfo(); doesnt show |
| 17:34.58 | jelly-home | abraxas__: have you reinstalled the kernel package? I think alsaconf should be enough (to get you back to the starting point) |
| 17:35.08 | Supaplex | !php wants me to download still. |
| 17:35.08 | dpkg | if you've read all of /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and followed its instructions *and* have reloaded apache, clear your browser cache, and restart your browser. |
| 17:35.10 | nohaycubetto | that means php isnt starting up, do you h ave a .php file? |
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| 17:35.28 | p3rti | ok.. it was the permission |
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| 17:36.41 | abraxas__ | jelly-home, yes, i reinstalled with synaptics but im reinstalling alsa anyway again |
| 17:37.02 | abraxas__ | shit,shit,shit!!!! |
| 17:37.12 | abraxas__ | jelly-home, the error continues |
| 17:37.59 | jelly-home | abraxas__: you'll have to find out where did the stuff you installed from source go, and clean it up |
| 17:39.08 | Supaplex | abraxas__: does your alsa have a make uninstall? |
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| 17:39.39 | abraxas__ | Supaplex, lets see |
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| 17:40.16 | abraxas__ | Supaplex, i did make uninstall but it is not uninstalled cause when I do alsaconf works again |
| 17:40.38 | Supaplex | so is it broken still? |
| 17:41.05 | abraxas__ | well,now just ask for legacy card |
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| 17:44.14 | sinthetek | a few months ago i was unable to upgrade my kernel because the 486 and 686 2.6 kernels would not boot on my system |
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| 17:46.19 | sinthetek | then i tried to dist-upgrade my system, not realizing 2.6 would be a requisite and i'm sorta stuck until i upgrade it because my current kernel lacks nptl which is needed for libc6, so i was wondering how i can tell what kernel options have changed between the current 2.6 kernels and the last ones i tried |
| 17:46.43 | markybob | what's the highest available port number for non-root users? |
| 17:46.56 | sinthetek | markybob 65535 |
| 17:47.03 | markybob | sinthetek: thanks |
| 17:47.05 | sinthetek | markybob regular users can use anything > 1024 |
| 17:47.24 | sinthetek | wait, maybe 65536 |
| 17:47.57 | markybob | sinthetek: k, thanks |
| 17:48.06 | jelly-home | sinthetek: the upgrade procedure from 2.4 kernels is, I think, documented in the release notes for etch |
| 17:48.26 | abraxas__ | jelly-home, all what i can do is to reinstall debian again,right?/ |
| 17:48.28 | abraxas__ | ? |
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| 17:49.20 | jelly-home | abraxas__: I'd try a newer kernel (which also has newer sound drivers) |
| 17:49.22 | kunwon1 | fucking overflow channel |
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| 17:49.37 | abraxas__ | jelly, u mean compileing? |
| 17:49.52 | jelly-home | abraxas__: not necessarily |
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| 17:50.11 | abraxas__ | jelly-home, downloading with synaptics? |
| 17:50.12 | jelly-home | abraxas__: look if there's smoething at backports.org |
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| 17:50.55 | sinthetek | jelly-home: it's not just a regular kernel upgrade though i don't think. i think the problem is specific to my particular hardware. currently, it's running a 586tsc kernel while there are no 586 kernel packages anymore |
| 17:51.24 | jelly-home | sinthetek: the 486 one ought to run too |
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| 17:51.52 | abraxas__ | jelly-home, if i put a new kernel ill need to put the drivers of the wireless again also? |
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| 17:52.00 | sinthetek | jelly-home: i'd think so... but it didn't last time i tried. it was a few months ago though, so honestly i don't remember for sure if i consulted the docs |
| 17:52.05 | jelly-home | abraxas__: probably |
| 17:52.06 | russo | umm ist there an easy way to check which eth interface is which |
| 17:52.09 | abraxas__ | uffff |
| 17:52.18 | abraxas__ | why,why i installed!!! |
| 17:52.18 | russo | because i have eth0 eth1 and eth2 :/ |
| 17:52.34 | russo | doe debian detect firewire as an interface? |
| 17:52.43 | russo | does* |
| 17:53.11 | sinthetek | i'll look at them and see if i remember following the steps or see anything that looks like it'd be relevant |
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| 17:53.29 | abraxas__ | jelly-home, maybe using something different of alsa? |
| 17:53.39 | jelly-home | sinthetek: you can always roll your own... |
| 17:53.56 | jelly-home | abraxas__: for a HDA card, I don't think so |
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| 17:54.19 | russo | is there an easy way to rename the interfaces |
| 17:54.22 | abraxas__ | shit, fuck alsa channel |
| 17:54.23 | russo | where is this stored |
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| 17:54.29 | sinthetek | oh yeah, for the record, i'm stuck somewhere between etch and lenny now i think, hah |
| 17:54.54 | mosno | letch |
| 17:55.06 | sinthetek | jelly-home: 2 problems with that: madwifi and 200mhz/32mb system |
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| 17:55.23 | sinthetek | i *can* do it, i'm just reluctant, hehe |
| 17:55.39 | jelly-home | sinthetek: there is absolutely no reason to compile the kernel on the same machine |
| 17:55.49 | mosno | iirc there exist free drivers for certain non-atheros wifi, can anyone back this up? |
| 17:55.50 | jelly-home | sinthetek: ... it will be run on |
| 17:56.06 | sinthetek | also i lost the old .config i used to use that had all of the specific hardware config |
| 17:56.19 | sinthetek | s/config/options |
| 17:56.27 | jelly-home | sinthetek: um, you dont have it in /boot/config* |
| 17:56.29 | jelly-home | ? |
| 17:57.19 | jelly-home | mosno: for _non_ atheros? sure. My Intel 2915ABG has free drivers (and nonfree firmware) |
| 17:57.27 | jelly-home | meh |
| 17:57.37 | sinthetek | jelly-home: i may have it if debian put it there i guess. you're right about compiling it elsewhere though |
| 17:57.54 | jelly-home | sinthetek: if you used make-kpkg, it's there |
| 17:58.10 | abraxas__ | jelly-home, im trying to reinstall the old version with synaptics |
| 17:58.39 | zinx | my intel 3945AGN has non-free firmware (that is in debian) and free drivers (that aren't in debian), figure that one out |
| 17:58.49 | sinthetek | i've never used make-kpkg, only apt and m-a |
| 17:59.35 | sinthetek | maybe m-a uses make-kpg? heh |
| 17:59.42 | sinthetek | kpkg* |
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| 18:00.09 | sinthetek | ahh, yeah there is one it appears |
| 18:00.39 | zinx | the standard kernels are made with make-kpkg |
| 18:01.09 | jelly-home | zinx: the firmware isn't in debian, non-free is not part of it but just distributed alongside ;-) |
| 18:01.18 | zinx | so as long as you don't do something silly like build your own kernel and install by hand, it'll be there :) |
| 18:01.41 | zinx | jelly-home: still, seems silly to have the firmware in non-free, but not have the driver anyhere |
| 18:01.45 | zinx | erh, anywhere |
| 18:01.55 | sinthetek | zinx: i'm about to do that right now and it's not silly at all! :P |
| 18:02.08 | zinx | sinthe: yes it is |
| 18:02.14 | jelly-home | zinx: maybe the drivers are in kernel, no idea |
| 18:02.19 | zinx | sinthe: you should use make-kpkg if you're building your own kernel |
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| 18:02.28 | zinx | jelly: nope |
| 18:02.41 | jelly-home | !ipw3945 |
| 18:02.41 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
| 18:02.56 | zinx | jelly: mac80211 (required by the iwlwifi) are in 2.6.22, iwlwifi isn't part of the kernel yet afaik |
| 18:03.01 | sinthetek | zinx: i have another system to compile it on, but not another *debian* system |
| 18:03.10 | jelly-home | zinx: oh, that's just new enough |
| 18:03.18 | sinthetek | i suppose i could use my little sister's ubuntu box... |
| 18:03.21 | zinx | jelly: quite new |
| 18:04.14 | cast | so how does chmod +s apply to directories? |
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| 18:04.22 | kokmar | i have changed my kernel module so that the userspace application will allocate the memory in userspace, and then i use get_user_pages to take the memory from the userspace and mmap it back to the program when it do mmap, the problem is that for some unknown reaseon it seems like the program dont work right now..., how could it be? |
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| 18:05.06 | jelly-home | cast: guessing: add write permission for group or other. Let them create files... files appear as yours |
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| 18:05.16 | cast | just noticed # install -o me -d dir sets the mode drwxr-sr-x, though manpage says it defaults to rwxr-xr-x |
| 18:05.37 | jelly-home | cast: g+s gets inherited from .. |
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| 18:06.47 | cast | jelly-home: oh, good point, seems /usr/local and /usr/src are both g+s |
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| 18:07.14 | cast | 'When setgid is applied to a directory, new files and directories created under that directory will inherit the group from that directory.' |
| 18:08.04 | cast | ok, thats alright then. :) |
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| 18:09.05 | jelly-home | hm, only setgid and setuid not? |
| 18:09.46 | MK | so, my problem is this, ive just installed Dreamlinux 2.2, Debian-based, and tried this tutorial http://users.telenet.be/bmertens/acer_5602wlmi/ except the part that i used the most recent versions of ieee80211 and ipw3495, my wireless card was detected, but after reboot, it no longer is |
| 18:09.50 | MK | could anybody help me ? |
| 18:09.59 | Supaplex | !based on debian |
| 18:09.59 | dpkg | Your distribution uses <apt>, but is not officialy Debian maintained (see <why Debian>), nor do we manage all aspects of it. (see <Debian policy>) Therefore, we are not obligated to help you (see <based on Debian caveats>). Please visit the proper IRC channel for your distribution. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> to name a few. |
| 18:10.03 | zinx | jelly: confusing, card calls itself a 3945AGN (or so i thought something did) but perhaps its real designation is 4965AGN |
| 18:10.23 | zinx | jelly: in any case, that driver won't do it :) |
| 18:10.34 | zinx | !tell MK about debian based |
| 18:10.50 | Supaplex | zinx: almost redundant :) |
| 18:10.52 | zinx | MK: Your problem doesn't happen in Debian. |
| 18:10.56 | eth01 | http://pastebin.ca/637233 -- any ideas? |
| 18:11.06 | eth01 | i removed apache2, and it still tries to load it. |
| 18:11.11 | zinx | MK: sounds like ubuntu-style braindamage wrt linux-restricted-modules |
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| 18:11.21 | abrotman | eth01: did you remove apache2.2-common ? |
| 18:11.27 | abrotman | xoz: you are in .sg! |
| 18:11.40 | eth01 | i did apt-get remove apache* |
| 18:11.50 | abrotman | eth01: dpkg -l apache* .. paste it |
| 18:11.55 | xoz | abrotman: yep. nice place to work! |
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| 18:12.14 | abrotman | xoz: some old regulars live(d) in .sg .. |
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| 18:12.26 | abrotman | xoz: i'm sure if you threw a stone .. you'd hit them :) |
| 18:12.28 | jelly-home | eth01: you haven't pasted dpkg -l '*apache*'|grep ^.i asked before, either ;-) |
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| 18:12.43 | eth01 | http://pastebin.ca/637238. |
| 18:12.47 | xoz | abrotman: heh |
| 18:12.50 | MK | zinx at least what do you think the problem can be ? |
| 18:12.54 | ricky | xoz: You mean under a bridge? |
| 18:13.08 | jelly-home | that's funny |
| 18:13.15 | mikefoo | What does rwt mean on permissions? the 't' in particular.. |
| 18:13.15 | MK | the card is detected in lspci |
| 18:13.24 | abrotman | eth01: you could purge them |
| 18:13.32 | zinx | MK: it's overwriting the modules most likely, or deleting them, or whatever. |
| 18:13.41 | ricky | mikefoo: sticky, I think. |
| 18:13.42 | abrotman | mikefoo: man chmod .. look for sticky |
| 18:13.45 | zinx | MK: why, i can't tell you - you'd have to ask the Dreamlinux people about that. |
| 18:13.47 | eth01 | apt-get remove -p apache* |
| 18:13.50 | eth01 | ? |
| 18:13.55 | zinx | MK: Debian doesn't do that. |
| 18:14.22 | xoz | singapore internet infrastructure is great... but the national university of singapore where i work use windows... they cut my linux machine from the network because they cannot scan it.. they complain im using a firewall. |
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| 18:14.24 | abrotman | eth01: dpkg -P apache* |
| 18:14.34 | abrotman | xoz: hehe |
| 18:15.15 | eth01 | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove apache* which isn't installed. |
| 18:15.39 | xoz | abrotman: but flat screen here is really cheap... and other electronics. haven't met yet the trolls of debian ;) |
| 18:16.05 | mikefoo | Is it ok to 775 /tmp? |
| 18:16.07 | ricky | Just purging apache2.2-common should suffice, no? |
| 18:16.15 | mikefoo | I dont have a sticky anymore on /tmp, is that a problem? |
| 18:16.17 | eth01 | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove apache2.2-common which isn't installed. |
| 18:16.18 | abrotman | eth01: dpkg -P apache2.2-common |
| 18:16.31 | cast | mikefoo: drwxrwxrwt 11 root root 1000 2007-07-29 03:42 tmp |
| 18:16.32 | jelly-home | mikefoo: yes, anyone can delete anyone else's files |
| 18:16.32 | abrotman | wait |
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| 18:16.34 | eth01 | same error ^ |
| 18:16.35 | abrotman | eth01: moment |
| 18:16.38 | eth01 | ok |
| 18:16.42 | NeLs0n | hi |
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| 18:16.44 | abrotman | duh .. it is purged |
| 18:16.53 | abrotman | eth01: ls /etc/rc2.d/ ... paste it |
| 18:17.04 | jelly-home | mikefoo: if you're ok with that, you don't have to put the sticky back |
| 18:17.27 | mikefoo | well I just dont want webserver sessions and such to break.. |
| 18:17.28 | eth01 | http://pastebin.ca/637246 |
| 18:17.33 | mikefoo | im not sure if that will effect it or not. |
| 18:17.39 | abraxas__ | how can I know what packet includes the snd.ko? |
| 18:17.42 | xoz | mikefoo: 1775 maybe... to set the s bit. |
| 18:17.46 | abrotman | eth01: you do have lighttpd installed |
| 18:17.56 | eth01 | it was at one time, just was dhcp3 |
| 18:18.00 | jelly-home | mikefoo: what's wrong with the default 1777? |
| 18:18.31 | NeLs0n | How can I find a text in a file (using GREP), but I don't know the file/path, I want to search in all files this text.. Is it possible? |
| 18:18.35 | abrotman | eth01: ls /etc/init.d/ |
| 18:18.42 | mikefoo | well we have some flood programs put in /tmp, not sure if it was by a php bug or.. someone logged in |
| 18:18.43 | abrotman | NeLs0n: -R |
| 18:18.46 | mikefoo | so just trying to be safe.. |
| 18:19.01 | NeLs0n | abrotman, grep -R ? |
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| 18:19.14 | eth01 | http://pastebin.ca/637251 |
| 18:19.19 | abrotman | NeLs0n: man grep to see for sure |
| 18:19.46 | abrotman | eth01: where's the apache start message agian ? |
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| 18:20.56 | eth01 | in the bootup |
| 18:21.06 | abrotman | yes .. paste it again |
| 18:21.09 | abrotman | get it form dmesg |
| 18:21.24 | whonicca | is it possible to set a port range for outgoing connections on ncftp? |
| 18:21.42 | eth01 | y |
| 18:21.42 | NeLs0n | abrotman, right a recursive mode |
| 18:21.48 | abrotman | NeLs0n: yep |
| 18:22.05 | abrotman | eth01: yes .. show us again |
| 18:22.23 | NeLs0n | abrotman, command: grep -R "text" "dir", example: grep -R nelson / |
| 18:22.24 | NeLs0n | ? |
| 18:22.34 | eth01 | 1 moment. |
| 18:22.48 | abrotman | NeLs0n: roughly .. yes |
| 18:23.06 | eth01 | dmesg won't do it abrotman |
| 18:23.17 | eth01 | that shows hardware |
| 18:23.51 | xand | can UDF be used on harddisks? c.c |
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| 18:24.07 | abrotman | eth01: get the message again |
| 18:24.31 | abrotman | eth01: does the machine stil do it ? |
| 18:24.36 | eth01 | do what? |
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| 18:24.44 | eth01 | yes it tries to load apache2, when its removed |
| 18:24.53 | abrotman | eth01: when you boot the machine ? |
| 18:24.58 | eth01 | YES! |
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| 18:26.02 | abrotman | eth01: grep apache /etc/init.d/ |
| 18:26.14 | eth01 | no reply. |
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| 18:27.02 | abrotman | grep default /etc/inittab .. what's the number after 'id' |
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| 18:28.34 | eth01 | lt |
| 18:28.42 | eth01 | id:2:initdefault: |
| 18:28.56 | abrotman | eth01: are you IRCing from the box ? |
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| 18:29.28 | eth01 | No. |
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| 18:29.46 | abrotman | so you can restart it now and see if it still happens |
| 18:29.52 | eth01 | it will still do the same. |
| 18:29.59 | eth01 | i have tried this before. |
| 18:30.14 | bonez39 | if I have a power outage at my office here, my primary machine reboots, but halts at grubs loading... showing (hd2,0) indicating it can't boot that device...I change it to read (hd0,0) and then it boots up.....if I run update-grub it sets it this way....why is update-grub setting this....and how can I change it permanently? |
| 18:30.14 | bonez39 | kernel/boot/vmlinuz-win4lin root=/dev/hde1 ro |
| 18:30.18 | abrotman | do you have apachectl on your system ? |
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| 18:30.34 | eth01 | I did do, doesn't work however when i type it |
| 18:30.43 | abrotman | what happens ? |
| 18:31.30 | eth01 | its not a command. |
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| 18:31.40 | eth01 | therefore it wont _work_. |
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| 18:32.44 | bendover | how can i list all the X servers running on my computer? |
| 18:33.07 | epsilon | ps? |
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| 18:33.46 | abrotman | eth01: anything interesting in rc.local ? |
| 18:33.51 | eth01 | 1 sec |
| 18:34.07 | MK | so, my problem is this, ive just installed Dreamlinux 2.2, Debian-based, and tried this tutorial http://users.telenet.be/bmertens/acer_5602wlmi/ except the part that i used the most recent versions of ieee80211 and ipw3495, my wireless card was detected, but after reboot, it no longer is, however it is detected in lspci |
| 18:34.27 | eth01 | where is that? |
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| 18:34.29 | eth01 | etc? |
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| 18:34.46 | cast | !debian based |
| 18:34.46 | dpkg | Your distribution uses <apt>, but is not officialy Debian maintained (see <why Debian>), nor do we manage all aspects of it. (see <Debian policy>) Therefore, we are not obligated to help you (see <based on Debian caveats>). Please visit the proper IRC channel for your distribution. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> to name a few. |
| 18:34.49 | ryanCH | there are 2 shells in linux, right? |
| 18:35.03 | ryanCH | what are the commands for either one of them? |
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| 18:35.12 | cast | ryanCH: linux is a kernel. AFAIK it doesn't have a shell [does it?] |
| 18:35.14 | abrotman | eth01: /etc/init.d/rc.local |
| 18:35.19 | JeffH | there are many shells in Linux. |
| 18:35.34 | abrotman | MK: we don't support debian based distros here ... either install debian or try ##linux |
| 18:35.52 | ryanCH | JeffH: what are 2 of them that i can access from KDE? |
| 18:35.53 | eth01 | when you say intresting? |
| 18:36.32 | abrotman | eth01: anything that might be loading apache |
| 18:36.54 | eth01 | well its loading at boot |
| 18:36.56 | JeffH | look in /etc/shells and you'll see what shells are available. |
| 18:36.58 | eth01 | so where can i edit that? |
| 18:37.16 | bonez39 | abrotman: clearly, my questions about MX records, and about setting up DNS... find no solution here...do you a better channel to seek such answers? |
| 18:37.28 | abrotman | eth01: i just want you to look in /etc/init.d/rc.local .. and tell me if there's anything useful |
| 18:37.33 | abrotman | bonez39: ? |
| 18:37.45 | abrotman | bonez39: grub and MX records ? |
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| 18:38.19 | bonez39 | abrotman: yeah, grub and MX records questions...I have asked a few various ways..but they didn't appear to catch anyone's eye... |
| 18:38.33 | abrotman | bonez39: so pick one |
| 18:39.14 | bonez39 | grub...if my system powers down...due to a power failure..I come back in and find it wants to boot at (hd2,0) and yet I have to hit e and change it..to (hd0,0) before it will boot. |
| 18:39.25 | eth01 | there is nothing useful. |
| 18:39.45 | cast | bonez39: isn't that set in grubs config file? |
| 18:40.01 | abrotman | bonez39: so fix the menu.lst after it boots |
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| 18:40.24 | stoned | ohio bonzai |
| 18:40.28 | stoned | wattaaaaa |
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| 18:42.54 | abrotman | eth01: it's being started after cron and atd .. which only leaves 3 scripts inj your /etc/rc2.d/ |
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| 18:43.35 | eth01 | that file is empty |
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| 18:45.12 | abrotman | no .. i mean the other three files |
| 18:45.26 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 18:45.35 | abrotman | eth01: did you check your crontabs ? |
| 18:45.48 | eth01 | where are those, if no, no. |
| 18:46.05 | abrotman | yes, yes! |
| 18:46.22 | abrotman | as root .. crontab -e |
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| 18:47.19 | abrotman | or look in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ |
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| 18:47.45 | Taschemann | what is the name for the apache2 ssl module in debian 4 ? |
| 18:47.49 | eth01 | # m h dom mon dow command |
| 18:47.54 | jovans | how can i change the dpi resolution of fonts systemwide? |
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| 18:50.13 | abrotman | eth01: so empty ? |
| 18:50.22 | abrotman | or look in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ .. eth01 .. anything in there? |
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| 18:51.25 | eth01 | no, that directory is empty. |
| 18:51.51 | abrotman | what about /etc/crontab ? |
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| 18:57.42 | eth01 | there are 3 entries in that abrot |
| 18:57.58 | eth01 | ./usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ) |
| 18:58.02 | eth01 | monthly etc, etc. |
| 18:58.04 | eth01 | 3 of those. |
| 18:58.20 | ryanCH | when i start knoppix from the CD, right after it switches to text mode graphics my display goes blank?? |
| 18:58.32 | jetscreamer | how nice |
| 18:58.51 | jetscreamer | i suggest you investigate 'cheat codes' and /join #knoppix |
| 18:58.54 | moonyy | !pdiff |
| 18:58.54 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. you can disable the use of pdiffs by adding 'Acquire::Pdiffs "false";' to your /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 18:59.04 | jetscreamer | yeah i hate pdiff |
| 18:59.23 | jetscreamer | can take longer if you don't check in every day |
| 18:59.28 | moonyy | !rdiff |
| 18:59.38 | jetscreamer | !msg |
| 18:59.39 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 18:59.42 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 18:59.43 | dpkg | i guess search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 19:01.46 | raboof | I have a machine which does some NAT to hook up my internal net to the Internet |
| 19:01.46 | xingu | cast: http://www.dedasys.com/freesoftware/files/kpforth-21.tgz - not sysv shell, but it is linux, and a shell. |
| 19:01.52 | raboof | what is the elegant place to put the iptables rules to set up the NAT-ting on startup? |
| 19:02.00 | raboof | a custom /etc/init.d script? |
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| 19:04.13 | jetscreamer | rc.local? |
| 19:04.33 | xingu | cast: here's http://abstractnonsense.com/schemix/ a scheme interpreter. :) |
| 19:04.35 | abrotman | eth01: i'm fairly stumped |
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| 19:06.09 | cheeseboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.11 | cheeseboy | hi |
| 19:06.36 | cheeseboy | i was installin debian but had to stop in middle |
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| 19:06.49 | cheeseboy | anyway to continue from where i was? |
| 19:06.49 | cast | is that so. |
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| 19:07.35 | cast | not sure, installer might let you skip steps? but in light of that it takes me 10 minutes to do a base install i wouldn't bother |
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| 19:08.00 | Taschemann | apache2-ssl-certificate script, is that included in debian etch ? |
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| 19:08.20 | chrisjw | hello, how do i get the killall utility using apt-get |
| 19:08.24 | cheeseboy | cast, i was installin sected software |
| 19:08.34 | cheeseboy | like 80% in |
| 19:08.47 | raboof | chrisjw: apt-cache search killall |
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| 19:09.24 | bXi | anyone around with a few mintues to help me with exim4? |
| 19:09.41 | cast | what the fucking hell is tasksel doing? i ran it, unticked all the options, and now its proceeded to uninstall most of my system |
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| 19:09.55 | cast | but don't worry, it installed xmail to make up for it |
| 19:10.08 | xingu | sorry |
| 19:10.10 | cast | uh, and then tasksel crashed |
| 19:10.14 | xingu | schadenfreude |
| 19:10.22 | alexIdoi1 | hi there, I don't understand for some reason, I can't get connected to the network, I have no problem usually, I have tried everything I know, now I don't know what else i can do, can someone suggests me something ? |
| 19:10.40 | moonyy | kicha |
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| 19:11.47 | cast | xmail conflicts with lsb...maybe thats part of the issue..hmm |
| 19:12.18 | moonyy | pdiff is checked but what the hell is rdiff? |
| 19:13.44 | cast | moonyy: binary diff util based on rsync algo, innit? |
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| 19:14.10 | cast | thank fucking god aptitude logged. |
| 19:15.04 | chrisjw | there is no killall installed on my debian sys, i'm not really sure how to install it.. i've done whast |
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| 19:15.19 | chrisjw | "apt-cache search killall" but they don't install the command |
| 19:15.27 | jetscreamer | apt-file |
| 19:15.29 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 19:15.30 | dpkg | well, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 19:15.50 | h3sp4wn | chrisjw: psmisc |
| 19:16.45 | chrisjw | i see |
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| 19:16.47 | chrisjw | thankls |
| 19:17.09 | h3sp4wn | chrisjw: pgrep and pkill are nicer to use imho |
| 19:17.09 | cast | cheeseboy: i use pkill alot |
| 19:17.20 | chrisjw | another quick question, whenever i try to apt-get something it seems to have to download it which is ok but then it says please insert the debian cd i used to install |
| 19:17.28 | chrisjw | is there any reason for this? |
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| 19:17.28 | cheeseboy | cast, whats that |
| 19:17.30 | jetscreamer | edit sources.list comment out cd |
| 19:17.31 | cheeseboy | ' |
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| 19:17.33 | cheeseboy | ? |
| 19:17.36 | chrisjw | ok |
| 19:17.39 | cast | cheeseboy: ahh, wrong person |
| 19:18.26 | jetscreamer | actually, delete the cd entry because you have to use apt-cd to create any cd entry (even if it's already there) |
| 19:18.53 | jetscreamer | which is silly but sane |
| 19:19.06 | freight_ | If package libexml provides 0.1.1-1 - ( I assume that means a particualr version of the file after which the package is named.. ) and reverse provides 'libexml0 0.1.1-0' does that mean I can just tell pacakges that depend on libexml0 to depend on libexml? |
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| 19:19.58 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 19:20.11 | freight_ | Azar: 'ello. |
| 19:21.11 | dkg | Honorables? |
| 19:21.14 | Azar | question: this guy shouldn't first upgrade sarge>etch and only _after_ that he should upgrade to 2.6.18 kernel? http://kerneltrap.org/node/13918 |
| 19:21.35 | freight_ | Wow.. this is crazy.. I've never seen #debian this quiet before. |
| 19:21.48 | Azar | is weekend, have at it ;) |
| 19:22.04 | abrotman | hi |
| 19:22.06 | utopia_ | debian has become sooo user friendly there isn't any need to ask questions |
| 19:22.09 | utopia_ | or maybe not :) |
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| 19:22.13 | Azar | hello master abrotman |
| 19:22.18 | abrotman | Azar: install the kernel meta pckage |
| 19:22.40 | Azar | abrotman: oh yes, I remember you told me that before :) |
| 19:22.44 | xingu | I've always liked that greeting - has a certain civility to it. |
| 19:22.51 | abrotman | xingu: piss off |
| 19:23.05 | Azar | is a bow with respect to the honorable place |
| 19:23.44 | abrotman | freight_: i think so .. might want to ask #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:24.18 | freight_ | abrotman: Thanks! |
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| 19:25.01 | cheeseboy | will debian installer notice software ias already installed or install over it again? |
| 19:25.37 | chrisjw | does anyone know the location of the directory of C header files that match the running kernel |
| 19:25.43 | chrisjw | i thought it was usr/src/linux/include |
| 19:25.45 | chrisjw | but hm |
| 19:26.07 | jetscreamer | apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 19:26.15 | jetscreamer | or $(uname -r) |
| 19:26.58 | cheeseboy | will debian installer notice software ias already installed or install over it again? |
| 19:26.59 | jetscreamer | then it's usuallyy under /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 19:27.02 | jetscreamer | again |
| 19:27.06 | jetscreamer | overwrite |
| 19:27.17 | cheeseboy | ugh why |
| 19:27.44 | jetscreamer | if you have files not on the cd they will still be there, but not set up as a program |
| 19:28.05 | jetscreamer | just the files won't get erased... unless you 'formatted' it |
| 19:28.47 | cheeseboy | jetscreamer, i had 80% of programs installed |
| 19:29.08 | Azar | cheeseboy: apt or aptitude knows everything you have installed, it will only install security packages to those existent.. |
| 19:29.38 | cheeseboy | Azar, im installing debian tho im not in debian |
| 19:29.50 | namit | enouf, ping |
| 19:30.19 | cheeseboy | Azar my laptop battery died during install |
| 19:30.30 | Azar | cheeseboy: your original question was not clear enough. If you are just installing debian, it will install all packages (software) pertaining to the system |
| 19:30.52 | Azar | cheeseboy: so plug the laptop to the power line... |
| 19:31.15 | cheeseboy | Azar yes it was doing that but pc shut off so will it reinstall everything it already installed? |
| 19:31.32 | Azar | cheeseboy: I guess it is wiser to start over from the beginning |
| 19:31.43 | cheeseboy | Azar, i waited 2 days |
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| 19:31.50 | cheeseboy | im no starting over |
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| 19:32.04 | Azar | cheeseboy: :) no fast broadband connection? |
| 19:32.20 | cheeseboy | slow lapttop |
| 19:32.51 | Azar | cheeseboy: with a dsl connection install takes no longer than say... max 3 hours |
| 19:33.12 | Azar | cheeseboy: laptop is not slow your internet connection is slow |
| 19:33.13 | jetscreamer | cheeseboy: d/l the cd, imo, don't try a netinstall with a modem... |
| 19:33.41 | cheeseboy | jetscreamer, i have cable internet |
| 19:33.54 | cheeseboy | just installing stuff takes a while |
| 19:34.04 | cheeseboy | pentium 3 128mb ram |
| 19:34.14 | jetscreamer | takes me 30 minutes to not need the install cd |
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| 19:34.20 | Azar | cheeseboy: like jetscreamer said: download the 1st CD, burn it and install |
| 19:34.32 | jetscreamer | p3 700 128mb |
| 19:34.38 | alexIdoi1 | bizarrily this morning all my internal did not mount as they use to do, they use to be sdb1, sdb2, sdb3, I have mount them manually and release that they are now /dev/sdc1, /dev/sdc2, etc, is that possible ??? |
| 19:34.38 | cheeseboy | Azar, i dont have that many cds |
| 19:34.41 | alexIdoi1 | might it be due to the fact that I have installed a PCI device yesterday ? |
| 19:34.50 | Azar | cheeseboy: only the 1st CD: one |
| 19:35.06 | jetscreamer | alexIdoi1: did you add.. ah you added |
| 19:35.14 | cheeseboy | i have one cd-rw is badly scratched |
| 19:35.26 | alexIdoi1 | jetscreamer: that is because I added another device right ? |
| 19:35.55 | jetscreamer | alexIdoi1: yes and it got added above the 'internal' in the food chain |
| 19:36.18 | alexIdoi1 | jetscreamer: I see that in fstab, the disk in which / is mounted use a UUID instead of /dev/sda1 for ex, so is it better to name them with UUID ? |
| 19:36.19 | jetscreamer | you can change that via udev rules if you want, or just live with it |
| 19:36.42 | alexIdoi1 | udev rules ? |
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| 19:36.45 | jetscreamer | alexIdoi1: when changes like that happen, yes it's better... if it wasn't uuid you box probably wouldn't have booted |
| 19:36.55 | jetscreamer | s/you/your/ |
| 19:37.20 | alexIdoi1 | jetscreamer: and how do I know the proper UUID? |
| 19:37.23 | Azar | cheeseboy: sorry I cannot help you with your cable connection, it surely looks like is a lousy one, get dsl. |
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| 19:37.54 | cheeseboy | Azar, i download packages at good speed just installing them takes forever |
| 19:37.57 | jetscreamer | alexIdoi1: /dev/disk/by-uuid/whatever |
| 19:38.06 | jetscreamer | ls -lA or so |
| 19:38.15 | Azar | cheeseboy: you look like a nice enough guy so you qualify to officially open the weekend in #debian, so could you do me a favor? |
| 19:38.40 | cheeseboy | Azar, what? |
| 19:38.41 | namit | i have put a second network card in my machine but when i do ifconfig it does not come up. lspci does show 2 nics but not sure how to install it |
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| 19:39.20 | Azar | cheeseboy: can you please be the one to open the weekend by saying: I cheeseboy declare the weekend officially started on #debian |
| 19:39.32 | ryanCH | how do you mount a USB drive on Linux? |
| 19:39.34 | Supaplex | !permsunday |
| 19:39.42 | cheeseboy | Azar right now |
| 19:39.43 | Supaplex | !permasunday |
| 19:39.43 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 19:39.45 | cheeseboy | ? |
| 19:39.53 | Azar | cheeseboy: yes , thank you |
| 19:39.56 | alexIdoi1 | jetscreamer: ok but now how do I know which disk is which uuid ?:) I have 6 disks |
| 19:39.58 | cheeseboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.03 | chrisjw | hmm |
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| 19:40.14 | Azar | :)!!!yesss, the weekend is here!!!! |
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| 19:40.17 | Azar | thank you cheeseboy |
| 19:40.18 | chrisjw | well i did apt-get install linux-headers etc etc etc |
| 19:40.19 | shogunx | bahahaha |
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| 19:40.24 | cheeseboy | np :/ |
| 19:40.25 | chrisjw | but it's trying to download from the repositories |
| 19:40.28 | Supaplex | ryanCH: view /proc/partitions - man mount. |
| 19:40.35 | chrisjw | i'd prefer it to be from cd.. is it possible to do that? |
| 19:40.42 | namit | how do i get my computer to configure a new nic i have installed |
| 19:40.56 | ryanCH | Supaplex: what about this?? ... mount /media/sda1 |
| 19:41.21 | Azar | cheeseboy: about your issue.... I am not sure if Debian will start and run even if you downloaded all packages..... try. If it does not work, I am afraid you have to install again |
| 19:41.26 | Supaplex | ryanCH: if /media/sda1 is in fstab that'll work. |
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| 19:41.30 | alexIdoi1 | jetscreamer: ? |
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| 19:43.26 | jetscreamer | what |
| 19:43.32 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 19:43.41 | jetscreamer | ls -lA should tell you where the symlink points |
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| 19:44.05 | jetscreamer | alexIdoi1: ^^ |
| 19:44.41 | chrisjw | why are the linux header files being downloaded when i have the cd in the repository |
| 19:44.42 | chrisjw | :S |
| 19:44.51 | shpond | I'll think about it |
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| 19:44.55 | cheeseboy | anyone know how to get pc to boot usb when bios cant? |
| 19:45.04 | jetscreamer | because the files on the cd are out of date |
| 19:45.17 | chrisjw | ok |
| 19:45.19 | jetscreamer | you might look at smart boot manager cheeseboy but i don't know |
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| 19:45.43 | cheeseboy | jetscreamer, i dont have floppy tho :( |
| 19:45.55 | jetscreamer | it might run from a cd but i dunno |
| 19:46.07 | alexIdoi1 | jetscreamer: yes I got that bit but then how do I make the difference between the disks |
| 19:46.33 | jetscreamer | what do you mean, alexIdoi1 ? |
| 19:46.57 | alexIdoi1 | jetscreamer: I got 8 symlink to /dev/sdX how do i know which /dev/sdX is which disk |
| 19:47.02 | jetscreamer | ah you mean which hd is hooked up to which? |
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| 19:47.27 | alexIdoi1 | jetscreamer: yes |
| 19:47.50 | jetscreamer | cat /proc/partitions maybe, or some /porc/ide/ thing |
| 19:47.56 | jetscreamer | err /proc/ide/ |
| 19:48.07 | alexIdoi1 | ok |
| 19:48.11 | secher_ | where does dpkg look to see if there's a particular pakcage installed? i.e. I need to make dpkg think that pakcage libexml0 is installed so it'll stop complaining at me. |
| 19:48.14 | jetscreamer | ls -lA /proc/ide perhaps |
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| 19:49.06 | enouf | namit: network-manager? do "/msg dpkg interfaces" |
| 19:49.17 | jetscreamer | cat /proc/ide/ide0/hda/model perhaps |
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| 19:49.29 | enouf | namit: also do "/msg dpkg which driver" |
| 19:49.35 | jetscreamer | SAMSUNG SV1364D |
| 19:49.37 | jetscreamer | ooo |
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| 19:49.52 | tux3 | hiho |
| 19:49.53 | alexIdoi1 | ah cool |
| 19:50.21 | tux3 | ich hab ein kleines problem mit meinem raid |
| 19:50.31 | jetscreamer | alexIdoi1: note that most anybody could explain it better and stuff |
| 19:50.32 | jetscreamer | !de |
| 19:50.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
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| 19:51.11 | enouf | alexIdoi1: lshal can help a lot, also udevinfo -q all -p /sys/block/sdX/sdXX , iirc |
| 19:51.18 | jetscreamer | see? :) |
| 19:51.33 | enouf | alexIdoi1: even file -s /dev/sdaX |
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| 19:51.45 | enouf | !prize jetscreamer |
| 19:51.58 | jetscreamer | i want a My Buddy !!! |
| 19:52.20 | jetscreamer | i really need to buy one of those... |
| 19:52.26 | jetscreamer | there's a guy named buddy at work :) |
| 19:52.31 | enouf | heh |
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| 19:52.46 | foo | How can I view the GMT time on the server? |
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| 19:53.36 | Mr-R | foo: date --utc? |
| 19:54.36 | foo | Mr-R: ahh, GMT == UTC, correct? I think so |
| 19:54.55 | Mr-R | foo: i think so, too. but i am not sure |
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| 19:55.18 | enouf | !utc |
| 19:55.19 | dpkg | well, utc is Universal Time Convention http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utc ; In /etc/default/rcS set UTC appropriately, then run # invoke-rc.d hwclock.sh restart |
| 19:55.27 | enouf | !gmt |
| 19:55.27 | dpkg | from memory, utc is Universal Time Convention http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utc ; In /etc/default/rcS set UTC appropriately, then run # invoke-rc.d hwclock.sh restart |
| 19:55.34 | enouf | heh |
| 19:56.01 | alexIdoi1 | enouf: cool ! |
| 19:56.11 | enouf | alexIdoi1: ;-) |
| 19:56.26 | abrotman | pseubodot: DING! |
| 19:56.43 | moonyy | *rotfl* |
| 19:56.58 | Supaplex | !ping pseubodot |
| 19:57.51 | jetscreamer | pseubodot? not pseudobot? |
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| 20:00.56 | Azar | hurray! Debian/Hurd has a new installer! http://anivar.movingrepublic.org/2007/new-lx-installer-for-debian-gnuhurd/ |
| 20:01.28 | jetscreamer | woohoo!!! |
| 20:02.31 | chrisjw | how do i add to the path environment variable for all sessions |
| 20:02.36 | chrisjw | is there some kind of file? |
| 20:03.11 | abrotman | /etc/profile |
| 20:03.54 | ricky | That would only work for bash-like shells though, right? |
| 20:03.57 | Supaplex | Azar: can hurd run via pxeboot+nfs? |
| 20:04.21 | abrotman | ricky: as opposed to ? |
| 20:04.21 | ricky | I guess /etc/csh.cshrc too. |
| 20:04.36 | abrotman | who still uses csh! |
| 20:04.49 | Supaplex | !start a shell war |
| 20:04.49 | dpkg | ash is better than posh |
| 20:05.26 | Azar | Supaplex: I would not know, I am contemplating to install and try it... I first need to study and test grub :) |
| 20:05.39 | Supaplex | Azar: ahh cool. ok |
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| 20:06.06 | n3kl_ | I have plugged in a windows mobile phone and loaded the ipaq module. How can I find out what the device name is? |
| 20:06.18 | Azar | hey, another amusing piece of news for this weekend: Linus made the story on Debian News :D http://debian-news.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2968 |
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| 20:07.37 | abraxas_ | !ipw3945 |
| 20:07.37 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
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| 20:08.16 | ricky | Aw, Debian is easy to install... |
| 20:08.29 | enouf | Azar: that URL is dated ahead a month? Aug 17th, 2007 by |
| 20:08.42 | Azar | ricky: not for those without basic abilities |
| 20:08.44 | Supaplex | !be debian barbie |
| 20:08.44 | dpkg | debian is hard! |
| 20:09.02 | chrisjw | which is the shell with the pretty colours! |
| 20:09.07 | Azar | enouf: hehe, the date/time of that site seems not be set correctly |
| 20:09.31 | enouf | guess not heh |
| 20:09.40 | abraxas_ | someone have non-free sources for stable? |
| 20:09.43 | chrisjw | i can't remember what shell it was but i used one that made binaries green and folders blue |
| 20:09.43 | chrisjw | etc |
| 20:10.02 | Supaplex | !tell abraxas_ -about sources.list |
| 20:10.04 | Azar | abraxas_: you just tell apt about it by editing your /sources.list |
| 20:10.04 | abraxas_ | found |
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| 20:10.22 | o2T7 | hi |
| 20:10.39 | jetscreamer | wtf |
| 20:10.40 | o2T7 | How to install the unstable version on unace under etch? |
| 20:10.45 | jetscreamer | !goodbye-windows.com |
| 20:10.46 | bXi | does someone know something about this error? 2728 exim 4.67 daemon started: pid=2728, -q30m, not listening for SMTP |
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| 20:11.00 | jetscreamer | o2T7: don't mix use backports |
| 20:11.04 | abraxas_ | ethc=stable,right? |
| 20:11.14 | enouf | !releases |
| 20:11.15 | dpkg | i heard releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 20:11.30 | o2T7 | jetscreamer, how should i do that? |
| 20:11.31 | Supaplex | abraxas_: topic |
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| 20:11.34 | ricky | chrisjw: fish, perhaps? |
| 20:11.38 | o2T7 | adding a special repository? |
| 20:11.47 | Azar | !backports |
| 20:11.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 20:12.05 | enouf | !release |
| 20:12.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, release is Etch has been released (2007-04-08). Etch is Debian 4.0, and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian> or <sarge->etch>, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/ for the latest (and historical) releases. |
| 20:12.09 | o2T7 | fine |
| 20:12.19 | Azar | o2T7: do /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 20:12.26 | o2T7 | is it better using backports than compiling? |
| 20:12.36 | Azar | o2T7: oh yessss |
| 20:12.38 | o2T7 | ok |
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| 20:13.06 | Supaplex | o2T7: is it better when someone else takes out the trash, or when you get to do it yourself? :) |
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| 20:13.32 | o2T7 | Supaplex: so for you it is better compiling yourself? |
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| 20:13.59 | Supaplex | backports > me |
| 20:14.03 | Supaplex | when it's there |
| 20:14.21 | Azar | abrotman: do we "comb" the linux kernels before we integrate them in Debian? |
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| 20:14.28 | abrotman | wtf |
| 20:14.32 | Azar | :D |
| 20:14.33 | enouf | brillcreme? |
| 20:14.34 | abrotman | Azar: no .. we put gel in them |
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| 20:14.53 | Supaplex | dpkg uses her curling iron |
| 20:15.08 | Azar | I was just thinking that maybe Linus could get a stroke if he would try to install/use Debian... |
| 20:15.14 | Azar | ... looking at the kernel |
| 20:15.20 | bXi | does someone know something about this error? 2728 exim 4.67 daemon started: pid=2728, -q30m, not listening for SMTP |
| 20:15.26 | abraxas_ | !ipw3945 |
| 20:15.26 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
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| 20:16.19 | Azar | abraxas_: you could any time discreetly /msg dpkg <question> so you get the stuff all for yourself |
| 20:16.35 | abraxas_ | Azar, sorry |
| 20:16.51 | enouf | abraxas_: do "/msg dpkg selftell" |
| 20:16.52 | Azar | abraxas_: no problem.... is good when you need a repeat of your question |
| 20:17.23 | abraxas_ | i though I only see that... |
| 20:17.46 | o2T7 | The second option in `/msg dpkg simple sid backport` is mixing? |
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| 20:18.17 | enouf | abraxas_: when dpkg the bot is called with ala "!factoid", the whole channel sees it |
| 20:18.25 | dkg | Should this output raise an eyebrow or two on my part? http://pastebin.com/d3adff79b |
| 20:18.46 | abraxas_ | ok,ill dont do it again |
| 20:18.55 | abraxas_ | alsamixer have a M when is muted,right? |
| 20:18.55 | dkg | It's probably just me, but I'd rather Gnome isn't removed |
| 20:19.14 | jetscreamer | it's not mixang as much as just installing some random sid .deb would be |
| 20:19.17 | jetscreamer | mixing |
| 20:19.25 | enouf | abraxas_: man alsamixer, but i think so, iirc |
| 20:19.42 | o2T7 | file |
| 20:19.45 | o2T7 | fine* |
| 20:19.53 | ricky | dkg: I don't think gnome-desktop-environment actually contains anything important. |
| 20:20.00 | abrotman | dkg: maybe three ? |
| 20:20.08 | abraxas_ | enouf, i reinstalled debian because before I installed the last version of alsa and fucked my system...and nobody could help me to fix it |
| 20:20.09 | ricky | dkg: It exists just to depend on a bunch of more substantial packages, as far as I can tell. |
| 20:20.10 | abrotman | dkg: the first is a metapckage |
| 20:20.11 | enouf | bXi: dunno, but the -q30m might mean quiet for 30 minutes? |
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| 20:20.26 | dkg | abrotman: Ah! Thank you! |
| 20:20.29 | dkg | ricky: Thanks also. |
| 20:20.33 | abraxas_ | enouf, in #alsa told me to reinstall a newer version of alsa cause they didnt know why i havent sound |
| 20:20.48 | enouf | abraxas_: sorry to hear |
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| 20:21.07 | o2T7 | Well, I can't see unace at http://backports.org/debian/pool/ |
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| 20:21.42 | o2T7 | Am i looking for it at the wrong place or should i get source and make deb package? |
| 20:21.44 | jetscreamer | !info unace etch |
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| 20:21.49 | dpkg | unace: (extract, test and view .ace archives), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.2b-4 (etch), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 20:21.50 | dnanar | hi all ! |
| 20:22.04 | jetscreamer | why not just install it |
| 20:22.15 | o2T7 | jetscreamer: The problem is that this version doesn't recogn the compress method |
| 20:22.19 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 20:22.19 | o2T7 | of newer files |
| 20:22.27 | o2T7 | So I need version 2 |
| 20:22.40 | jetscreamer | o2T7: i've never done a backport, i just know where to find out about them |
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| 20:23.02 | lightning | can anyone here help me? the gnome menu fonts keep changing in icewm |
| 20:23.17 | o2T7 | Perhaps the best option after all ;) |
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| 20:24.39 | o2T7 | Which will be the repercussion of following the steps shown in `!simple sid backport`? |
| 20:25.14 | o2T7 | Could it be bad for my system? |
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| 20:25.46 | jetscreamer | o2T7: check the dependencies |
| 20:26.02 | jetscreamer | i would think 'probably not', it will be ok, but i do not know for sure |
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| 20:26.32 | o2T7 | Well, thank you, will be careful |
| 20:26.37 | o2T7 | anyway |
| 20:26.39 | Azar | damn, more and more people write howtos online recommending the nvidia installer: http://lunapark6.com/debian-40-etch.html |
| 20:26.54 | dnanar | i'm trying to understand how to generate an initrd cpio archive to success to load module to mount root filesystem when the computer is booting. If i have good understood, "mkinitrd" should generate the cpio archive. But: where to get it (aptitude search didn't give anything, except mkinitrd.yard, and "whereis mkinitrd" neither), and where to put a list of the module that the archive will have to load, and how to extract the module li |
| 20:26.58 | jetscreamer | Azar: http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt |
| 20:27.01 | jetscreamer | :p |
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| 20:27.17 | streuner | yeah |
| 20:27.17 | jetscreamer | that's yaird btw |
| 20:27.22 | streuner | they should know better |
| 20:27.36 | streuner | specially this guy from hfds.com :-) |
| 20:27.45 | jetscreamer | dnanar: there is also initramfs-tools or something |
| 20:28.18 | jetscreamer | dnanar: but are you saying you compiled a kernel and didn't do it the debian way? :) |
| 20:28.24 | jetscreamer | !kp mantra |
| 20:28.24 | dpkg | somebody said kp mantra was make-kpkg clean && VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') && NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=-$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 20:28.35 | dnanar | jetscreamer: yes but this package does not seems to provide any "mkinitrd" tool. the only one would be "mkinitramfs", but i don't really understand the man page :s |
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| 20:29.04 | abraxas__ | hi |
| 20:29.15 | Kjikaqawej | different way of doing the initrd, that's all |
| 20:29.17 | dnanar | jetscreamer: no, vecause of the paravirtualization option actived in the default debian kernel which can not permit to use nvidia proprietary driver under debian ! |
| 20:29.30 | dnanar | yes* |
| 20:29.34 | jetscreamer | dnanar: try .22 or .18 |
| 20:29.36 | dnanar | because* |
| 20:29.43 | jetscreamer | dnanar: .20 and .21 only |
| 20:29.44 | Azar | maybe we could add in the topic something like: newbies! don't use nvidia installer! ask dpkg about it |
| 20:29.46 | jetscreamer | are affected |
| 20:30.10 | abraxas__ | i have an x in the icon of the audio in gnome,it said that may be something about gstreamer or that my card was not correctly configured,but alsa detected it ok...so how can i know if its the gstreamer? |
| 20:30.13 | jetscreamer | dnanar: and you can recompile your kernel w/o the paravirt_ops being enabled |
| 20:30.26 | enouf | stupid proprietray crapola |
| 20:30.27 | Supaplex | there are good and bad reasons to deviate from stable. that includes using kp to roll your own kernel. |
| 20:30.31 | jetscreamer | i think you need to man yaird dude |
| 20:30.32 | dnanar | jetscreamer: and with those kernel when i "modprobe nvidia", i've got a "no such device". it sounds that i should remove FB support of the kernel, but for that i need to recompile it :s |
| 20:30.56 | jetscreamer | dnanar: no need to modprobe nvidia, but it should work |
| 20:31.06 | jetscreamer | if it doesn't blame the admin |
| 20:31.25 | dnanar | jetscreamer: huh ? how should i load nvidia module then ??! |
| 20:31.35 | jetscreamer | dnanar: and the vga16fb thing works with it.. just nvidiafb is bad |
| 20:31.46 | jetscreamer | dnanar: it will autoload when you start xorg |
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| 20:32.10 | jetscreamer | dnanar: but if modprobe nvidia doesn't work, then nvidia doesn't work |
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| 20:32.29 | dnanar | =) |
| 20:32.56 | Azar | "nvidia" or "nv".. |
| 20:33.24 | jetscreamer | dnanar: man yaird |
| 20:33.36 | jetscreamer | you can generate an initrd w/o recompiling |
| 20:33.45 | dnanar | yes what i have done, going to reboot now =) |
| 20:33.51 | jetscreamer | ah okie g'luck |
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| 20:34.00 | o2T7 | jetscreamer: dependencies for sid's unace are: diffstat gawk and quilt |
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| 20:34.22 | jetscreamer | doesn't sound system breaking to me, o2T7 , but ymmv as always |
| 20:34.32 | o2T7 | as NEW packages, not replacing |
| 20:34.41 | o2T7 | fine |
| 20:34.47 | jetscreamer | same statement as before :) |
| 20:34.50 | jetscreamer | doesn't sound system breaking to me, o2T7 , but ymmv as always |
| 20:35.50 | o2T7 | oh, even i thought it was to me :) |
| 20:35.50 | jetscreamer | i need to go fix a grandma's computer.. joy. |
| 20:36.00 | Azar | :) |
| 20:36.01 | jetscreamer | i need to do lots of stuff today and it's >. over |
| 20:36.07 | jetscreamer | .5 |
| 20:36.22 | abrotman | jetscreamer: fix her webcam .. i miss her smiling face .. and other body parts! |
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| 20:36.47 | steve | is it normal for a SATA300 disk to read/write to itself at <10MB/sec? |
| 20:36.47 | Azar | wow, abrotman likes the classic art |
| 20:37.12 | jetscreamer | my pata's get 8 i think |
| 20:37.44 | jetscreamer | but that's disk to disk |
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| 20:38.38 | moonyy | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.00 | jetscreamer | ok step one to accomplish things: remove all distractions |
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| 20:42.35 | o2T7 | oh, my god, it was just necessary to install unace-nonfree |
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| 20:42.57 | o2T7 | Well, now i understand backports a bit |
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| 20:50.00 | abraxas__ | someone cahttp://pastebin.com/m3182c31cn tell me why its happening? |
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| 20:51.35 | Atog | I see that exim4 under has a variable called MAILDIR_HOME_MAILDIR_LOCATION that can be set to where I want the user's Maildir directory to be... Where do I set this variable at in an exim split configuration ? |
| 20:52.34 | Ox15 | i need change the volume id from iso image, how i do? |
| 20:53.58 | abrotman | Atog: might want to ask #exim |
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| 20:55.03 | Atog | abrotman: that variable seems pretty Debian specific.. normally all I would have to do is set the directory variable to the right location |
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| 20:55.40 | abrotman | Atog: i don't use exim .. but if it's like postfix .. you set it to 'Maildir/' and it will go in $HOME/Maildir/ |
| 20:55.53 | MK | how do i change the locale in debian ? whats the command line ? |
| 20:56.18 | Atog | abrotman: right, but the question is where to set it at |
| 20:57.03 | abrotman | oh .. in /etc/exim/ ? |
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| 20:58.08 | MK | i want to change my locale because it is portuguese brazilian and i dont want this how do i change ? |
| 20:58.19 | o2T7 | 0x15: probably not the simpler and faster way --> Mounting the iso and making a new iso with -volset mkisofs option |
| 20:58.26 | Kjikaqawej | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:58.33 | petemc | Atog: its documented in /use//share/doc/exim4*/ |
| 20:58.33 | MK | do i need sudo ? |
| 20:58.39 | Kjikaqawej | yes |
| 20:58.53 | MK | what are the @euro locales ? |
| 20:58.55 | Kjikaqawej | you can su - to root too if you like |
| 20:59.03 | Kjikaqawej | i don't know, go look |
| 20:59.15 | o2T7 | They re european characters |
| 20:59.17 | Atog | petemc: yeah.. thanks.. I've been reading that :-P |
| 20:59.21 | o2T7 | are* |
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| 20:59.34 | Kjikaqawej | ooh you mean what do they do? it's to support the euro charatcer |
| 20:59.39 | Kjikaqawej | character* |
| 20:59.41 | MK | how do you set the wireless network to boot automatically in debian etch ? |
| 20:59.49 | MK | Kjikaqawej, that was what i meant xD |
| 21:00.07 | MK | so i should select all the three locales for my localization right ? |
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| 21:00.34 | Azar | MK I guess is UTF8 |
| 21:00.41 | Kjikaqawej | sure, plus any others you think might beuseful, depending on the system's purpose |
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| 21:00.49 | MK | my sound card is not working too, whats the command line for alsa to reconfigure it ? |
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| 21:01.04 | Kjikaqawej | install alsaconf |
| 21:01.05 | Azar | MK alsaconf |
| 21:01.07 | o2T7 | MK: the same as any ether card but adding wireless options |
| 21:01.24 | MK | but how ? i really dont know ive just installed my ipw3945 |
| 21:01.31 | MK | but i dont think it is set to boot |
| 21:01.46 | Kjikaqawej | you mean start at boot? :) |
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| 21:02.22 | abraxas__ | now I can hear, i have sound but very very slow |
| 21:03.01 | o2T7 | for example: iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 21:03.02 | o2T7 | wireless-essid tuessid |
| 21:03.02 | o2T7 | wireless-key tucontraseña |
| 21:03.02 | o2T7 | auto wlan0 |
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| 21:03.15 | o2T7 | sorry |
| 21:03.25 | MK | yes Kjikaqawej |
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| 21:03.31 | o2T7 | MK: http://www.debianperu.org/node/441 |
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| 21:04.23 | o2T7 | MK: man wireless |
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| 21:04.53 | MK | ok tks |
| 21:05.06 | MK | sound is working now |
| 21:05.20 | MK | but the Fn volume changing from my laptop is not working |
| 21:05.33 | MK | so where is the volume mixer in xfce? im new to this gui |
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| 21:06.51 | Pollywog | does anyone know why clamscan is not working ? I can't get it to work in *buntu either |
| 21:07.42 | Pollywog | it was working until the update of a few days ago |
| 21:08.25 | robboplus | does anyone know a good place to chat about ajax? |
| 21:08.36 | robboplus | #ajax is so idle :( |
| 21:08.46 | abrotman | #web ? |
| 21:08.50 | robboplus | hm... |
| 21:09.15 | robboplus | many thanks abrotman it looks good |
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| 21:11.17 | Tobsn | does someone know what apt source i need for php5.2 under sarge? |
| 21:11.56 | Kjikaqawej | sarge is oldstable. it would be wise to upgrade to etch, current stable |
| 21:12.07 | Tobsn | yeah |
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| 21:12.14 | Azar | Tobsn: apt-cache search <packagename> |
| 21:12.16 | Tobsn | question was how to get php5.2 for sarge. |
| 21:12.20 | Tobsn | there is only 5.1 |
| 21:12.20 | abrotman | maybe backports.org |
| 21:12.22 | Tobsn | k thx |
| 21:12.48 | Azar | Kjikaqawej: I run sarge: it works well |
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| 21:13.04 | Kjikaqawej | that's not the point |
| 21:13.11 | Azar | hey ok, let's have some weekend gems: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41273 |
| 21:13.23 | HardDisk_WP | how do I kill marco 25942 14.8 0.0 0 0 pts/2 Z+ 15:44 66:37 [ffmpeg] <defunct> ? |
| 21:13.24 | Azar | Kjikaqawej: for me is a great point |
| 21:13.34 | abrotman | !ZOMBIE |
| 21:13.34 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 21:13.38 | HardDisk_WP | it dont react on kill -9 or ctrl-d |
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| 21:13.58 | Tobsn | hmm no php5.2 in the backport |
| 21:13.59 | Tobsn | damnit. |
| 21:14.01 | Kjikaqawej | HardDisk_WP: it's zombie; you can't, kill the parent, or ignore it |
| 21:14.03 | Azar | yeah, kill -9 does not work for me (newbie) sometimes too |
| 21:14.13 | HardDisk_WP | k |
| 21:14.27 | Azar | Tobsn: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 21:14.59 | Kjikaqawej | and stop using KILL (9) to kill processes, use kill first, then -2 or something, then resort to -9 |
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| 21:15.20 | abrotman | Tobsn: is there a reason you don't want to use etch ? |
| 21:15.22 | Kjikaqawej | you avoid getting zombies a lot more |
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| 21:15.37 | Azar | Kjikaqawej: speaking of oldstable: it depends on what a user needs. My needs are very basic and simple.... etch is too much for me |
| 21:15.42 | Pollywog | what antivirus products are there besides clamav and f-prot? |
| 21:15.43 | JeffH | Is there any particular reason that address books can read ldap but don't write them? |
| 21:15.56 | Kjikaqawej | Azar: and going to be unsupported pretty soon. |
| 21:15.59 | abrotman | JeffH: with iceweasel/thunderbird ? |
| 21:16.05 | Kjikaqawej | JeffH: only the moz ones do that |
| 21:16.12 | Azar | Kjikaqawej: well that is unfortunate but I can live with it |
| 21:16.20 | Kjikaqawej | evolution's, for instance, can |
| 21:16.35 | Kjikaqawej | kaddressbook, some web apps... |
| 21:16.38 | JeffH | just in general it seems all the address books I've seen will read but not write.. |
| 21:16.46 | abrotman | and it also depends on the ldap configuration |
| 21:16.53 | Kjikaqawej | yes |
| 21:17.05 | Kjikaqawej | the global addiebook is generally r/o |
| 21:17.20 | JeffH | Kjikaqawej: how does one update it then? |
| 21:17.42 | abrotman | JeffH: with which ldap client ? |
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| 21:17.54 | Kjikaqawej | people responsible for it do; also i suppose the people that have entries in it can do that too |
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| 21:18.05 | JeffH | abrotman: I'm talking just in general terms right now. |
| 21:18.13 | Kjikaqawej | like abrotman said, depends on configuration |
| 21:18.32 | abrotman | JeffH: if you want to know how to configure ldap .. ask #ldap |
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| 21:18.42 | dante_2core | hello everyone |
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| 21:19.08 | JeffH | trying to figure out if it makes sense to create an ldap server for my contacts so I only need one address book all applications can use.. but I'd need some way to add/delete entries. |
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| 21:21.34 | sbuhj_99 | hey what was the name of the app to convert *unx files to dos files? |
| 21:21.44 | abrotman | unix2dos |
| 21:21.44 | dante_2core | what files? |
| 21:21.46 | JeffH | unix2dos |
| 21:21.46 | dante_2core | lol |
| 21:21.50 | Kjikaqawej | i have both a global and per-user level addressbook in ldap, works for me. global is r/o except to certain users, per-user each user can r/w |
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| 21:22.01 | abrotman | i have globally writable! |
| 21:22.29 | JeffH | abrotman: and you can update it from firefox's address book? |
| 21:22.45 | Kjikaqawej | ff's book can't |
| 21:22.47 | abrotman | you mean thunderbird ? |
| 21:22.57 | abrotman | and no |
| 21:22.59 | JeffH | oops.. yeah.. thunderbird I mean. |
| 21:23.06 | Kjikaqawej | no matter what. they turned write off in the moz ones |
| 21:23.07 | abrotman | there are numerous bugs in the mozilla bugzilla that talk about it |
| 21:23.13 | Kjikaqawej | yeh |
| 21:23.17 | sbuhj_99 | thx |
| 21:23.17 | abrotman | they've implemented the backend .. but not the frontend |
| 21:23.31 | sbuhj_99 | part of the sysutils pkg |
| 21:23.31 | JeffH | I don't understand the reason of turning off updates.. shouldn't that be a server decision, not a client decision? |
| 21:23.45 | Kjikaqawej | abrotman: did someone come up with a frontend yet? |
| 21:23.52 | abrotman | Kjikaqawej: you? |
| 21:24.06 | Kjikaqawej | no, for thunderbird et al. |
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| 21:24.28 | abrotman | Kjikaqawej: you wrote it! |
| 21:24.37 | Kjikaqawej | er, no |
| 21:24.40 | abrotman | Kjikaqawej: a guy wrote the backend .. but didn't link it the frontend... last i saw |
| 21:24.52 | Kjikaqawej | ok |
| 21:25.07 | JeffH | seems pointless to have an ldap server if you can't update it from the address book. |
| 21:25.17 | abrotman | JeffH: yes .. that's a valid complaint |
| 21:25.20 | Kjikaqawej | so it would be just a matter of making an extension to enable it |
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| 21:25.36 | abrotman | Kjikaqawej: well .. i dont' know if the code for the backend is in the builds yet |
| 21:25.44 | Tobsn | abrotman no there is no reason. |
| 21:25.46 | abrotman | but it's in cvs |
| 21:25.51 | abrotman | Tobsn: okay ... |
| 21:25.53 | Kjikaqawej | that would be crucial. ah ok |
| 21:26.05 | abrotman | or at least in the bugzilla! :) |
| 21:26.14 | Kjikaqawej | hehe for sure |
| 21:26.26 | abrotman | let me see if i can find it |
| 21:26.42 | Kjikaqawej | those bug reports are like years old... |
| 21:26.48 | JeffH | well, that was a good idea gone bad.. thanks for the help. |
| 21:26.51 | Tobsn | abrotman, my servers are all etch. but thats not my server... if you want to update the system over night for no money... i have no problem with it. |
| 21:26.52 | Tobsn | ;) |
| 21:27.05 | Kjikaqawej | JeffH: there are external apps that can write |
| 21:27.07 | abrotman | Tobsn: i dont' pay you! |
| 21:27.22 | Kjikaqawej | Tobsn: what? |
| 21:27.35 | Kjikaqawej | afk, making food |
| 21:27.41 | JeffH | Kjikaqawej: perhaps.. but that means I have to retype all my contacts that are in the address book now. |
| 21:28.00 | abrotman | you do ? |
| 21:28.34 | JeffH | I don't? |
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| 21:30.37 | Kjikaqawej | what? |
| 21:30.47 | Kjikaqawej | why? |
| 21:31.52 | abrotman | god .. there are like a million ldap bugs on thunderbird |
| 21:31.58 | JeffH | how else would I get the entries into the ldap server? |
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| 21:33.50 | abrotman | JeffH: copy them in ? |
| 21:33.56 | Kjikaqawej | JeffH: oh, they aren't there? |
| 21:34.09 | abrotman | use some nifty perl to make ldif! |
| 21:36.07 | JeffH | sweet.. just found a tool that will keep an ldap and the mac address book in sync.. that will work perfectly. |
| 21:36.18 | abrotman | just like ldap! |
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| 21:40.16 | JeffH | can anyone recommend an ldap server for my debian server? |
| 21:40.54 | vorpal | aptitude search ldap |
| 21:40.59 | abrotman | !qotd158 |
| 21:41.00 | dpkg | from memory, qotd158 is <paulswm> They don't make 2.25 ton mass storage drives any more :( |
| 21:41.26 | vorpal | wow, that's a neat feature ;-) |
| 21:41.29 | JeffH | vorpal: no shit..just thought someone here might have some experience with one they could recommend. |
| 21:41.44 | abraxas__ | someone have a lenovo 3000 c200? |
| 21:41.44 | abrotman | i think there's only two |
| 21:41.49 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 21:41.49 | dpkg | hmm... laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
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| 21:42.47 | vorpal | JeffH: when looking for software, particularly one with this kind of role, you might want to do more research than just floating a question on irc |
| 21:42.56 | vorpal | ;-) |
| 21:43.32 | Azar | nice greeting, abrotman :) |
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| 21:43.51 | abrotman | it was better than |
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| 21:43.58 | abrotman | !qotd78 |
| 21:43.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd78 is <BiZARRE> why cant I type my password when I try to login? <Phated> BiZARRE: Your password isn't echoed to the console. <BiZARRE> what? <BiZARRE> well, how do I type in the password? <Seb> BiZARRE: you hit the keys one by one <BiZARRE> nothing happens when I hit the keys <paulswm> UNtil you hit 'enter' <BiZARRE> the only key working is enter <BiZARRE> ok |
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| 21:44.28 | lightning | can anyone help me? i'm on icewm and GTK apps are not using the fonts specified in gnome-font-properties |
| 21:44.30 | Azar | hahahaha |
| 21:44.37 | vorpal | hehe |
| 21:44.57 | K`zan | Hi folks, something I need to install, getting this message trying to build vmware: What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel. Kernel is: Linux witch1 2.6.18-4-k7 #1 SMP Wed May 9 23:42:01 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux. Thanks for any suggestions! |
| 21:45.10 | MangosDebian | abrotman: and you dont consider that a troll wasting time? :) |
| 21:45.27 | abrotman | MangosDebian: some people are that bad |
| 21:46.00 | abrotman | MangosDebian: may i suggest a good way to waste your afternoon .. start at /msg dpkg qotd1 .. and keep going up to .. i think about qotd195 |
| 21:46.15 | MangosDebian | abrotman: and you believe them? I find it hard to believe that anyone could get on irc without the prerequiset experience of passwords |
| 21:46.29 | MangosDebian | abrotman: lol, i could imagine some of them |
| 21:46.30 | abrotman | MangosDebian: you'd be shocked some of the things that happen here |
| 21:46.54 | vorpal | K'zan: possibly that message is referring to your kernel build tree |
| 21:46.57 | K`zan | This is installed, but must be the wrong one?: Common header files for Linux 2.6.18 |
| 21:47.02 | MangosDebian | abrotman: the difference between me and the rest of the channel is I know 90% of those are bs just wasting time :) |
| 21:47.21 | abrotman | MangosDebian: you think ... |
| 21:47.29 | K`zan | vorpal: Installed the kernel and unpacked it as well as setting the linux symlink. |
| 21:47.30 | MangosDebian | abrotman: s/think/know/ |
| 21:47.33 | vorpal | K'zan if you have a stock kernel, you probably don't have a build tree |
| 21:47.34 | K`zan | Kinda lost :-( |
| 21:47.51 | abrotman | MangosDebian: hang out in here more .. help out some .. you'll see what i mean |
| 21:48.03 | K`zan | Lemme look at "kernel" in synaptic... |
| 21:48.17 | vorpal | K`zan: what are you doing? building a kernel module? |
| 21:48.28 | K`zan | vmware, yes, kernel modules for it. |
| 21:48.33 | K`zan | vmware-server |
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| 21:49.30 | vorpal | K`zan: i have been unable to get a satisfactory answer for this question, so my suggestion is the following: |
| 21:49.55 | vorpal | get the kernel source for your current kernel, and then build the kernel |
| 21:49.56 | K`zan | vorpal: I need "linux-tree-2.6.18" (Linux kernel source tree for building Debian kernel images). |
| 21:50.05 | chrisjw | how do i view the history of another user if i am root? |
| 21:50.16 | MangosDebian | abrotman: I know what you mean, im just not as trustworthy as most :) |
| 21:50.26 | petemc | chrisjw: look in /home/user/.bash_history |
| 21:50.27 | K`zan | vorpal: Ah, that I didn't do, lemme snarf the config out of proc... |
| 21:50.32 | K`zan | vorpal: Thanks! |
| 21:50.36 | chrisjw | ok |
| 21:50.40 | chrisjw | but can't they delete that? |
| 21:50.45 | abrotman | MangosDebian: it doesn't matter .. you either help or you don't .. some require more help than others |
| 21:50.55 | vorpal | K`zan: use the current configuration if you plan on building a module for your current kernel. but if you feel like experimenting, then by all means ;-) |
| 21:51.01 | petemc | chrisjw: they can, or they can not logout and it doesnt get written |
| 21:51.13 | petemc | chrisjw: if you want soemthing more reliable, use system accounting |
| 21:51.29 | Supaplex | this mtd disk-on-chip crap is driving me up the wall |
| 21:51.33 | K`zan | vorpal: I want to stick with what I have for now, not interested in building a kernel to run, just want to get vmware in. |
| 21:52.10 | petemc | or is it process accounting.. |
| 21:52.24 | MangosDebian | abrotman: oh this science experiement that is irc. what fun is to be had by helping the trolls in their quest of global aggravation heh |
| 21:52.46 | abrotman | MangosDebian: okay .. then don't help |
| 21:53.08 | K`zan | vorpal: no .config and I don't see one in /proc, does debian call it something else? |
| 21:53.21 | K`zan | vorpal: Just getting going with debian4. |
| 21:53.32 | MangosDebian | abrotman: are you saying I don't ever help? :/ |
| 21:53.37 | K`zan | locate config |
| 21:53.46 | abrotman | nope |
| 21:53.57 | petemc | MangosDebian: its only aggravation if you let it annoy you |
| 21:54.07 | vorpal | K`zan: it should be in /boot/config-* |
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| 21:54.26 | MangosDebian | abrotman: in my half decade here I have helped many fyi |
| 21:54.34 | K`zan | vorpal: Thank you Sir! Found it and will copy it over as .config! |
| 21:54.59 | K`zan | will make oldconfig with it... |
| 21:55.00 | MangosDebian | petemc: if they get to me or not, I have more fun feeding them their own medicine :) |
| 21:55.05 | abrotman | MangosDebian: what was your old nick ? |
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| 21:55.32 | MangosDebian | abrotman: tell me you didn't catch it the 15 times its came up the last few days :( |
| 21:55.45 | abrotman | MangosDebian: believe it or not .. i don't watch the channel incessantly :) |
| 21:56.26 | paulswm | damog: I just popped in to ask what would have been a stunningly stupid question, but I saved myself by switching on my speakers ("my sound has stopped working!") :) |
| 21:56.42 | Kjikaqawej | abrotman: t ... d |
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| 21:56.44 | MangosDebian | abrotman: sorry, thought you caught it |
| 21:56.45 | K`zan | LOL, done that too :-) |
| 21:56.52 | abrotman | Kjikaqawej: twisted ? |
| 21:56.56 | Kjikaqawej | no |
| 21:56.57 | MangosDebian | Kjikaqawej: i think he needs more letters |
| 21:57.01 | MangosDebian | lol |
| 21:57.01 | abrotman | tepid ? |
| 21:57.05 | Kjikaqawej | tr ... d |
| 21:57.13 | MangosDebian | would you like a vowel? |
| 21:57.13 | abrotman | trapped! |
| 21:57.18 | Kjikaqawej | tr ... ed |
| 21:57.20 | damog | paulswm: heh |
| 21:57.27 | Kjikaqawej | tro ... ed |
| 21:57.33 | abrotman | trowelled! |
| 21:57.38 | MangosDebian | lol you suck |
| 21:57.41 | Kjikaqawej | trou ... ed |
| 21:57.49 | abrotman | troulled ? |
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| 21:58.04 | K`zan | vorpal: Do I need to make install and make modules_install or do I just need the tree? |
| 21:58.08 | abraxas__ | someone have a lenovo 3000 c200? |
| 21:58.08 | Kjikaqawej | i agree you suck at this =) |
| 21:58.13 | MangosDebian | abrotman: it was clever :) |
| 21:58.15 | Kjikaqawej | trou ... led |
| 21:58.23 | abrotman | troulled ? |
| 21:58.25 | pingouin | do i have to install xfs or xfstt to enjoy all the fonts that are in packages , in apps like openoffice, scribus etc... ? |
| 21:58.31 | abrotman | MangosDebian: why the nick change? |
| 21:58.31 | Kjikaqawej | *bzzt* |
| 21:58.35 | Kjikaqawej | trou ... ed |
| 21:58.37 | abrotman | and the sudden burst of activity ? |
| 21:58.42 | Kjikaqawej | ;p |
| 21:58.43 | MangosDebian | abrotman: you missed that too? lol |
| 21:58.56 | MangosDebian | im getting sick of explaining this.... |
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| 21:59.02 | abrotman | :) |
| 21:59.05 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 21:59.18 | abrotman | MangosDebian: give me the tvguide version |
| 21:59.38 | vorpal | K`zan: you shouldn't need to install anything if you are trying to recreate a build tree for your current kernel. also, did i mention that i've never tried this personally? ;-) |
| 21:59.41 | Kjikaqawej | i think you just insulted canuckistanians :P |
| 21:59.44 | MangosDebian | helping out mangos project. it stuck :) |
| 21:59.54 | abrotman | Kjikaqawej: that doesn't include you |
| 22:00.01 | streuner | heh |
| 22:00.05 | Kjikaqawej | nope |
| 22:00.12 | streuner | its always the same with him |
| 22:00.12 | K`zan | vorpal: :-) understand, had it in ubuntu, but I had done a lot of work with that before deciding to give it up :). |
| 22:00.31 | streuner | the only useful people seems to americans, south of .ca :-) |
| 22:00.56 | abrotman | streuner: of course not .. you support david hasselhoff's drinking habit .. that's useful |
| 22:01.02 | streuner | haha |
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| 22:01.15 | Kjikaqawej | holy, tornado in huntingdon... like 80 km south of us or so |
| 22:01.33 | MangosDebian | Kjikaqawej: serious? |
| 22:01.43 | abrotman | it's coming for you! |
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| 22:01.59 | Kjikaqawej | it missed montreal |
| 22:02.04 | MangosDebian | abrotman: hold me! |
| 22:02.26 | abrotman | MangosDebian: just escape to vermont! |
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| 22:02.57 | Kjikaqawej | oh, unconfirmed on 'tornado' ... but it sure looks like one |
| 22:03.04 | MangosDebian | abrotman: im ignant canajian, I dont know where vermont is lol |
| 22:03.16 | Kjikaqawej | neither does abrotman |
| 22:03.20 | abrotman | i've been there! |
| 22:03.35 | Kjikaqawej | doesn't mean you know where it is ;p |
| 22:03.49 | streuner | hehe |
| 22:04.17 | abrotman | i spent lots of time in maine .. i totally know where it is .. i even know the capital is montpelier |
| 22:04.29 | Kjikaqawej | *clap clap* |
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| 22:04.54 | Kjikaqawej | you do know. cool stuff |
| 22:05.18 | Kjikaqawej | (btw i was kidding you in case you didn't notice ;) |
| 22:05.39 | abrotman | so was i .. the capital is totally philadelphia! |
| 22:05.46 | Kjikaqawej | heheheh |
| 22:06.07 | Kjikaqawej | hey no fair i'm eating i'll choke :P |
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| 22:12.20 | Supaplex | ohhhhhhh crap. modprobe diskonchip FORMATS THE FSCKING FLASH? $*!$*(! ouuuu I'm so not happy. |
| 22:12.24 | streuner | abrotman: ever heard of "Paul Potts"? |
| 22:12.33 | abrotman | no |
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| 22:13.32 | streuner | abrotman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-JsDXs_Ayg&mode=related&search= |
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| 22:14.29 | abraxas__ | nobody use a lenovo 3000? |
| 22:14.39 | abraxas__ | I only get sound with headphones and very low |
| 22:15.08 | streuner | abraxas__: doesnt the URL abrotman gave you help? |
| 22:15.31 | streuner | !laptop |
| 22:15.32 | dpkg | i heard laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 22:15.52 | Supaplex | yup. it's formatted w/o my consent. some asshat is getting a piece of my mind. |
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| 22:15.59 | stoned | hi |
| 22:16.02 | Supaplex | !lart modprobe diskonchip |
| 22:16.04 | stoned | abraxas |
| 22:16.10 | abraxas__ | streuner, i didnt saw it |
| 22:16.12 | stoned | isn't that a metal band or something |
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| 22:16.21 | stoned | some philosophy stuff on anus.com |
| 22:16.24 | stoned | something... |
| 22:16.26 | streuner | abraxas__: thats what i guesed |
| 22:16.30 | streuner | guessed |
| 22:17.35 | abraxas__ | streuner, what web? |
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| 22:17.44 | abraxas__ | I found one but for kubuntu |
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| 22:18.00 | streuner | guess |
| 22:18.06 | streuner | debian, of course! :-) |
| 22:18.13 | abrotman | streuner: you sing like that ? |
| 22:18.32 | streuner | abrotman: hell no, only a few people are able to |
| 22:18.37 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 22:18.48 | streuner | tenors are very rare |
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| 22:19.54 | abraxas__ | abrotman, can u give the adress again plz? |
| 22:19.57 | abraxas__ | i dont find it |
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| 22:20.05 | Kjikaqawej | abraxas__: he just did |
| 22:20.15 | Kjikaqawej | abraxas__: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 22:20.19 | abrotman | abraxas__: for what ? |
| 22:21.35 | Guerin | !irritate abrotman |
| 22:21.36 | dpkg | abrotman: Y iz debain so old? who uses dvd ???/ |
| 22:22.02 | abraxas__ | all the websites are for ubuntu,no for debian |
| 22:22.35 | streuner | well, you could be the first one who could change that |
| 22:22.56 | abraxas__ | :-) u r too optimistic |
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| 22:23.35 | streuner | what should be that hard about using composer and write your experiences? |
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| 22:24.03 | Guerin | streuner: it seems he is inable to drite in full sentences. |
| 22:24.05 | elvedin | !lart remote kernel upgrades |
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| 22:24.09 | Guerin | amd unable too |
| 22:24.12 | abraxas__ | that I reinstalled debian 6 times in 3 days because suicide operations |
| 22:24.22 | Kjikaqawej | Guerin: you drunk? |
| 22:24.36 | jelly-home | elvedin: remote console <3 |
| 22:24.45 | Guerin | Kjikaqawej: no, just trying to deal with cat |
| 22:24.50 | Kjikaqawej | ah |
| 22:24.58 | Kjikaqawej | i can grok that =) |
| 22:25.18 | abrotman | man cat |
| 22:25.25 | elvedin | Doesn't help when the kernel doesn't boot up |
| 22:25.45 | elvedin | Which has been twice now |
| 22:25.56 | jelly-home | abraxas__: www.debian-administration.org is for debian ;-) |
| 22:26.15 | abraxas__ | thnx jelly-home |
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| 22:26.51 | streuner | abraxas__: there is another source you usually get many infos |
| 22:27.11 | jelly-home | abraxas__: that's not for your current problem, but has many tips |
| 22:27.15 | streuner | "usenet" - (groups.google.com) |
| 22:27.39 | abraxas__ | ah,ok |
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| 22:28.03 | streuner | you said sound working at least? |
| 22:28.05 | elvedin | I need a reliable way that if the kernel is bad and the system can't boot up, it should boot my old kernel after a power cycle |
| 22:28.15 | elvedin | Grub boot once/fall back have let me down |
| 22:28.28 | Guerin | elvedin: this is doable, i've seen it done. |
| 22:28.33 | petemc | fallback |
| 22:28.37 | Guerin | elvedin: but I can't remember how. |
| 22:28.37 | abraxas__ | streuner, it only works with headphones and very very low |
| 22:28.43 | petemc | there are some caveats, iirc |
| 22:28.51 | streuner | abraxas__: what does that mean? |
| 22:29.01 | jelly-home | elvedin: would it help if you put grub on serial console? |
| 22:29.03 | streuner | abraxas__: very very low? |
| 22:29.17 | abraxas__ | streuner, what u hear...very low and only with headphones and looking in google i meet more people with the same problem |
| 22:29.21 | elvedin | I have no physical access to the system |
| 22:29.22 | abraxas__ | but nobody using debian |
| 22:29.32 | jelly-home | elvedin: ah, nm then |
| 22:29.33 | abraxas__ | everyone with kububtu |
| 22:29.36 | streuner | abraxas__: ALSA or OSS? |
| 22:29.49 | jelly-home | streuner: alsa, snd-hda-intel |
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| 22:29.56 | elvedin | If I'm here .<--- the computer is there -------------------------->. |
| 22:30.09 | elvedin | And each dash is about a thousand miles |
| 22:30.12 | streuner | hm |
| 22:30.13 | abrotman | elvedin: i think your scale is off |
| 22:30.19 | streuner | abraxas__: tried OSS? |
| 22:30.21 | elvedin | Approx |
| 22:30.28 | abraxas__ | streuner, in gnome?, yes |
| 22:30.43 | streuner | abraxas__: is ESD running? |
| 22:30.55 | abraxas__ | yes but anyway esd dont support alsa |
| 22:31.03 | jelly-home | elvedin: it won't help you now, we solve that issue by using server machines with remote management (separate ip with access to console, power button, sometimes the ability to boot off the local .iso image) |
| 22:31.06 | abraxas__ | no,is not running |
| 22:31.15 | abraxas__ | sorry,is not running |
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| 22:31.28 | streuner | ok, try OSS, maybe it works better |
| 22:31.35 | abraxas__ | streuner, i was looking...maybe installing the latest version of alsa it may be fixed |
| 22:31.44 | abraxas__ | but when I did it before I fucked my system |
| 22:32.01 | elvedin | jelly-home: That would be one way but the host doesn't offer remote console access |
| 22:32.03 | abraxas__ | streuner, how?, chosing it in gnome? |
| 22:32.24 | jelly-home | elvedin: ub fukt :-| |
| 22:32.30 | elvedin | Very |
| 22:32.35 | streuner | abraxas__: well, disable ALSA first |
| 22:32.50 | elvedin | Plus, the kernel doesn't even have himem enabled |
| 22:32.59 | abraxas__ | how? |
| 22:33.00 | elvedin | Which means my 1Gb isn't being used |
| 22:33.16 | elvedin | That's the only reason I'm even doing a kernel upgrade |
| 22:33.24 | jelly-home | eh, only 896MB ... that's not that bad |
| 22:33.25 | dondelelcaro | elvedin: so what you do is you use grub with fallback |
| 22:33.44 | dondelelcaro | (or use lilo -R) |
| 22:33.48 | dondelelcaro | either way works |
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| 22:34.02 | elvedin | I tried it with grub, apparently didn't work even after my power cycles |
| 22:34.12 | dondelelcaro | elvedin: well, it definetly works with grub. |
| 22:34.36 | jelly-home | elvedin: did you test how that feature works on a local machine first :-) |
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| 22:35.27 | elvedin | I don't have a local machine with the same hardware to test it with |
| 22:35.37 | dondelelcaro | (the typical reasons why you may have issues are a misconfigured menu.lst or a really old grub install) |
| 22:35.53 | elvedin | I followed the grub docs to the letter |
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| 22:36.07 | streuner | abraxas__: apt-get remove alsa-utils |
| 22:36.17 | dondelelcaro | if you did, you wouldn't have a problem |
| 22:36.20 | abraxas__ | :-( |
| 22:36.33 | elvedin | And according to a kerneltrap.org article, I shouldn't even bother upgrading to himem if I only have 1GB of RAM |
| 22:36.48 | dondelelcaro | yes, that's generally true |
| 22:36.52 | streuner | abraxas__: you should make sure then, that alsa-utils hasnt a symlink (update-rc.d -f remove alsa-utils) |
| 22:37.12 | dondelelcaro | the overhead of highmem on a i386 is pretty much useless unless you have a lot more memory |
| 22:37.26 | streuner | abraxas__: then remove all loaded ALSA modules, these started with snd- usually |
| 22:37.31 | elvedin | I should have stuck with FBSD... |
| 22:37.39 | abraxas__ | streuner, but according what I found in internet with people with the same problem, I think may be better to install the latest version of ALSA...before i made mess doing it,but maybe if there is a special package for debian or something.... |
| 22:38.05 | jelly-home | abraxas__: or try a newer kernel |
| 22:38.14 | streuner | abraxas__: installing alsa-utils is very easy and it brings the symlink back to life |
| 22:38.18 | abraxas__ | ill get kernel panic |
| 22:38.25 | streuner | o_O |
| 22:38.33 | abraxas__ | if ill installl new kernel |
| 22:38.39 | dondelelcaro | elvedin: if you want our assistance, then you're going to have to show us your grub configuration. Otherwise, please don't complain here. |
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| 22:39.28 | jelly-home | abraxas__: that doesn't make sense |
| 22:39.44 | elvedin | http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Booting-fallback-systems.html |
| 22:39.48 | elvedin | That's pretty much it |
| 22:39.50 | lith | Hey guys... i did a netinst iso cd install on a new server, but its not giving me the option to install Xwindows or any other packages. It installs a minimal system ... how can i get an interface to choose which packages i'd like to install from the netinst image? |
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| 22:40.08 | dondelelcaro | elvedin: I've read the manual. I want to see your configuration, not the manpage. |
| 22:40.24 | streuner | lith: try "tasksel" |
| 22:40.45 | dondelelcaro | (considering that I've got multiple fallback systems doing complex and not so complex things, you'd think I'd know whether it worked or didn't) |
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| 22:41.52 | streuner | oh, a own domain, nice |
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| 22:42.23 | elvedin | I got rid of the fallback config file but I have the one from my "boot once" attempt |
| 22:42.30 | streuner | but wait, you dont live in Perth? |
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| 22:44.49 | dondelelcaro | elvedin: doesn't matter; whichever one you actually want to set up is the one I want to see. |
| 22:45.29 | elvedin | I'll set up the fallback one a bit later, after this kernel finishes compiling |
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| 22:46.52 | lith | I used tasksel... and I think thats perfect... but when i hit u to update the package list. it just quits the program and i dont see any way to just install everything :( |
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| 22:47.42 | dondelelcaro | lith: tasksel doesn't update the package lists... do you mean aptitude? |
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| 22:53.18 | monteiro | boas noites |
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| 22:55.44 | TwinX | I got /media/DISK1 in fstab , but on the desktop it's called "75.0 GB Volume". Is there a way to to change the Volume to "DISK1" ? |
| 22:56.23 | K`zan | Anyone know the answer to this question: What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? |
| 22:56.48 | K`zan | Apparently I don't have the right stuff installed or it is not: /usr/src/linux/include |
| 22:56.58 | Guerin | K`zan: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 22:57.19 | K`zan | Guerin: I am pretty sure I did that, I can compile the kernel. |
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| 22:57.45 | Guerin | K`zan: if you already compiled the kernel, then the headers are in the kernel source tree |
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| 22:58.17 | K`zan | Guerin: Yeah, sigh, something wrong someplace. Did the headers install you gave me, let me try building vmware again. Thanks! |
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| 22:59.44 | K`zan | Maybe: /usr/src/linux/include/asm-i386/ |
| 23:00.32 | bozi | i have a problem with dotty generated ps-files |
| 23:00.45 | bozi | http://mitglied.lycos.de/staatsrad/_tmp/icew.ps |
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| 23:01.44 | K`zan | The directory of kernel headers (version 2.6.18) does not match your running |
| 23:01.45 | K`zan | kernel (version 2.6.18-4-k7). Even if the module were to compile successfully, |
| 23:01.45 | K`zan | it would not load into the running kernel. |
| 23:02.00 | K`zan | There be the problem! The source does not match the running kernel. |
| 23:02.16 | Guerin | K`zan: right. You need the *exact* set of headers that your kernel was built from. |
| 23:02.35 | K`zan | Guerin: Yep and it doesn't come with the deb install :-(. |
| 23:02.43 | Guerin | of course it fucking does. |
| 23:02.46 | bozi | the proper image appears like overplottet with a white page oder deleted after rendering |
| 23:03.01 | Guerin | K`zan: m-a prepare; will install it and whatever else is necessary |
| 23:03.02 | bozi | or ... |
| 23:03.17 | K`zan | m-a ? |
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| 23:03.23 | Guerin | K`zan: yes. |
| 23:03.35 | K`zan | Guerin: Doing so now, thanks! |
| 23:04.19 | K`zan | Guerin: My ignorance is legion, what do I do with the "m-a prepare;" I get command not found :-(. |
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| 23:04.33 | Guerin | K`zan: install module-assistant |
| 23:04.52 | K`zan | Guerin: wilco, thanks! |
| 23:05.01 | K`zan | apt-get install module-assistant |
| 23:05.04 | K`zan | err ww |
| 23:05.06 | Guerin | aptitude |
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| 23:05.46 | K`zan | OK, something wrong with apt-get? Been a good while since I ran deb so I am behind the times :-). |
| 23:06.02 | hajhouse | is there a way to make dpkg --list show package names only (i.e., leave off all the status info etc) |
| 23:06.15 | TimRiker | anyone know of a utility to split .ts hdtv video files and rejoin them? I mean while still making them playable, not just "split" and "cat". |
| 23:06.50 | K`zan | Guerin: That worked, lemme try building vmware again. Much appreciated! |
| 23:06.53 | TimRiker | hajhouse: dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' ? |
| 23:06.56 | Guerin | TimRiker: are they some sort of mpeg-* format? |
| 23:07.37 | TimRiker | Guerin: they are not really mpeg encapsulated, no. it is mpeg compression but different packaging iirc. |
| 23:07.56 | hajhouse | TimRiker: thanks. no way to get name-only output just with arguments to dpkg, then? |
| 23:08.22 | phogg | TimRiker: mpgtx for mpeg. For all others use transcode and/or mencoder. |
| 23:08.24 | Guerin | TimRiker: mm. I suppose you can try mpgtx anyway - otherwise mploayer has various dump options which might work. I'd ask #mplayer of #vlc. |
| 23:08.26 | K`zan | Guerin: That did it, thank you VERY much Sir! |
| 23:08.29 | TimRiker | hajhouse: not that I'm aware of. |
| 23:08.41 | Guerin | phogg: stop stealing my brain! |
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| 23:09.13 | TimRiker | well, transcoding it would be lossy afaik. I was hoping to just split it up on i frames etc. |
| 23:09.15 | phogg | Guerin: sorry, thought it was gpl'd and redistributed. Don't sue me! |
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| 23:09.20 | Guerin | heh |
| 23:09.22 | hajhouse | TimRiker: i'll make a bash alias. that will be just as good :) |
| 23:09.45 | TimRiker | hajhouse: :) might want to strip the headers too. |
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| 23:10.00 | phogg | TimRiker: transcoding into a lossy format would be lossy. Otherwise you probably will not lose anything. |
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| 23:10.26 | TimRiker | phogg: perhaps. I'll look into that a bit and see. |
| 23:10.39 | tarzeau | abrotman, liable: yes it's a typo |
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| 23:11.11 | tarzeau | sussudio: i'd like to have them available for others and run some stats over it |
| 23:12.14 | TimRiker | hajhouse: dpkg -l|grep ^[uirph]|awk '{print $2}' would be more complete. |
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| 23:13.36 | jetscreamer | ok. i've done the firmware thing, and lspci now shows network controller: texas instrumesnts blah blah wireless interface... now what do i do. |
| 23:13.46 | jetscreamer | it's a pcmcia card |
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| 23:14.38 | Supaplex | bug #435054 bites :`( |
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| 23:15.12 | jetscreamer | m-a a-i acx100 or what |
| 23:15.17 | jetscreamer | that errors out btw |
| 23:15.35 | jetscreamer | config.h or linux.h missing i forget which |
| 23:17.06 | jetscreamer | linux/config.h |
| 23:17.18 | jetscreamer | symlink it? |
| 23:17.23 | hajhouse | TimRiker: thx |
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| 23:17.45 | SoulChild | what's up with lenny ? |
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| 23:18.06 | Guerin | SoulChild: the sky? |
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| 23:18.10 | SoulChild | there haven't been updates for weeks. |
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| 23:18.20 | SoulChild | Guerin: ^^ |
| 23:18.29 | elvedin | I have the menu.lst for fallback now |
| 23:18.34 | Guerin | i don't currently have a lenny box |
| 23:18.40 | SoulChild | Guerin: etch? |
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| 23:18.55 | Guerin | one sid, two etch |
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| 23:19.04 | Guerin | (one openbsd) |
| 23:19.17 | K`zan | Guerin: All is well! Thanks again for the help! |
| 23:19.29 | Guerin | K`zan: bravo sah. |
| 23:19.35 | K`zan | :-)! |
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| 23:21.29 | fasta | My machine makes sounds that I didn't ask for. How can I force unloading of the drivers? |
| 23:21.40 | fasta | (sound drivers) |
| 23:21.43 | jetscreamer | ok. i have the correct headers, linux-headers-`uname -r` how do i fix m-a a-i giving me: /usr/src/modules/acx100/wlan.c:40:26: error: linux/config.h: No such file |
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| 23:21.55 | fasta | modprobe -f -r soundcore doesn't work |
| 23:22.03 | fasta | It says that it's "in use" |
| 23:22.19 | jetscreamer | go figure |
| 23:22.27 | fasta | Sure... that's why I used "-f " ... silly Linux |
| 23:22.38 | Guerin | fasta: you have to kill anything using the sound device |
| 23:22.58 | Guerin | fasta: modprobe can't kill programs, which I think you'll agree is a security feature., |
| 23:23.03 | TimRiker | and any other modules that use soundcode should be removed first. |
| 23:23.12 | jetscreamer | r |
| 23:23.13 | fasta | Guerin: no, I don' |
| 23:23.18 | fasta | Guerin: t agree with that |
| 23:23.21 | TimRiker | fasta: can't you just turn the volume down in a mixer? |
| 23:23.33 | fasta | Guerin: I should be "God" when I am root. |
| 23:23.50 | Guerin | fasta: you ARE god when you're root. You just have to choose the right fucking angel. |
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| 23:24.30 | Guerin | fasta: in your case, that angel is `kill', and to determine what target you probably want to use `fuser' and `lsof' |
| 23:24.35 | Guerin | now make them do your bidding |
| 23:24.59 | K`zan | Is firefox now iceweasel?!? |
| 23:25.10 | Guerin | K`zan: yes. |
| 23:25.15 | SoulChild | K`zan: yes |
| 23:25.28 | K`zan | Heh, only on deb I guess :-/ ?!?!??? |
| 23:25.38 | fasta | K`zan: !?!?!?!!?!?! |
| 23:25.46 | fasta | K`zan: One is enough |
| 23:25.47 | Guerin | K`zan: on any OS which doesn't relinguish autonomy to the mozilla corporation. |
| 23:25.49 | jetscreamer | ????????????????????? |
| 23:25.59 | Guerin | s/g/q/ |
| 23:26.10 | K`zan | I would have think I would have heard of that. Just perplexed, that's all. |
| 23:26.18 | K`zan | s/think/thought |
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| 23:27.13 | Supaplex | TimRiker: heyhey :) |
| 23:28.22 | K`zan | LOL, I guess I just can't keep up with the name changes anymore :-/. |
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| 23:28.54 | fasta | Guerin: fuser /dev/dsp # shouldn't that return a result when a sound is being played? |
| 23:29.21 | Guerin | fasta: only if you're using oss |
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| 23:29.36 | Guerin | fasta:i don't understand why you wouldn't just mute the mixer |
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| 23:30.26 | fasta | Guerin: that would be the same as ripping out the sound card? |
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| 23:31.23 | Guerin | fasta: no. If you want to rip out the sound card, rip out the fucking sound card. |
| 23:31.40 | jetscreamer | gd i think my battery runs longer under linux |
| 23:31.43 | fasta | Guerin: i.e. the effect would be that there is no sound. |
| 23:31.43 | Guerin | fasta: bear in mind also that the PC speaker is not run off the sound card, so that might not solve your problem. |
| 23:32.03 | fasta | Guerin: the sound was not generated by the pc speaker |
| 23:32.03 | Guerin | fasta: yes, with the PC speaker caveat above. |
| 23:32.10 | Guerin | then mute that shit |
| 23:32.26 | Guerin | i too have a passionate hatred for all things which make noise without being bidden to do so |
| 23:32.37 | K`zan | Me three :) |
| 23:32.44 | Guerin | my cellphone is permanently set to vibrate *once* |
| 23:32.48 | SoulChild | what's is wrong with lenny ??? there were no updates for weeks !!! |
| 23:32.55 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 23:33.01 | Guerin | SoulChild: i predict PEBCAK |
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| 23:33.03 | jetscreamer | check your sources |
| 23:33.11 | SoulChild | Guerin: ??? |
| 23:33.16 | Guerin | !pebcak |
| 23:33.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, pebcak is Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard |
| 23:33.23 | fasta | SoulChild: The debian project stopped last week. Didn't you get the memo? |
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| 23:33.27 | jetscreamer | he said check your sources |
| 23:33.39 | SoulChild | fasta: no ,.. where should i ve get it ? |
| 23:33.45 | jetscreamer | in the mail |
| 23:33.50 | jetscreamer | at your house |
| 23:33.53 | jetscreamer | or at work |
| 23:33.53 | Guerin | SoulChild: http://youhavebeentrolled.org |
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| 23:34.26 | SoulChild | ??? why should demian send me mail ,... and what does trolled mean ? |
| 23:34.37 | Guerin | SoulChild: hey, can you do me a favour? |
| 23:34.43 | SoulChild | Guerin: sure |
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| 23:34.51 | Guerin | SoulChild: i need someone to kick me off irc; can you do /quit Guerin |
| 23:34.52 | jetscreamer | ok why don't this stupid source work or why is it in debian if it doesn't |
| 23:35.04 | SoulChild | Guerin: okay |
| 23:35.34 | SoulChild | Guerin: you real think i am stupid,... don't u ,... just because my english isn't the best |
| 23:35.41 | jetscreamer | /quit guerin |
| 23:35.42 | Guerin | !beer SoulChild |
| 23:35.50 | jetscreamer | sorry guerin it doesn't seem to be working... |
| 23:36.04 | NicNac | decanting beer? :P |
| 23:36.07 | Guerin | SoulChild: post your sources.list to paster |
| 23:36.16 | Guerin | NicNac: i know, someone stupid wrote the factoid |
| 23:36.49 | SoulChild | Guerin: it s only "deb http://ftp.debian org lenny main contrib non-free" |
| 23:37.00 | jetscreamer | see there ya go |
| 23:37.04 | jetscreamer | you borked it |
| 23:37.06 | jetscreamer | fix it |
| 23:37.09 | Guerin | 7ftp.debian org |
| 23:37.15 | elvedin | lenny? |
| 23:37.21 | Guerin | elvedin: aka testing |
| 23:37.26 | elvedin | Ah |
| 23:37.38 | Guerin | SoulChild: that's nothing like a sources.list url |
| 23:37.46 | SoulChild | Guerin: okay wait |
| 23:37.50 | namit | can anyone recommend an initrd.img for recovery purposes? |
| 23:37.52 | jetscreamer | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 23:38.09 | loupgaroublond | is there a guide like the new maintainers guide, or a policy manual that outlines building a debian build system to build packages in mass and automatically? |
| 23:38.18 | SoulChild | Guerin: deb http://ftp.debian.org/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 23:38.26 | jetscreamer | do it like i said |
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| 23:38.29 | Guerin | SoulChild: see jetscreamer's advice |
| 23:38.30 | jetscreamer | add debian/ |
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| 23:38.58 | Guerin | portofu: yes, you want to set up a buildd |
| 23:39.02 | Guerin | !buildd |
| 23:39.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, buildd is Debian's automated build system that automatically compiles everything it finds. http://buildd.debian.org |
| 23:39.03 | fasta | How's the alsa device file if any called? |
| 23:39.03 | SoulChild | jetscreamer: why ? |
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| 23:39.17 | jetscreamer | SoulChild: only do it if you want it to work |
| 23:39.18 | loupgaroublond | Guerin, was that intended for me? |
| 23:39.24 | jetscreamer | if you want it to stay broken, don't |
| 23:39.31 | Guerin | loupgaroublond: yes, i'm not sure what happened there. |
| 23:39.46 | SoulChild | jetscreamer: ahh okay it works, .. thank you ,.. why did they change the dir ? |
| 23:39.59 | Guerin | SoulChild: they didn't |
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| 23:40.10 | loupgaroublond | Guerin, haha, ok, do you know if this handles putting things in a chrooted space too? |
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| 23:41.14 | Guerin | loupgaroublond: i know nothing about it, other than the factoid. |
| 23:41.24 | loupgaroublond | Guerin, ah, well thanks :) |
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| 23:41.27 | SoulChild | what's the difference between "deb-src" and "deb" in sources.list ??? |
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| 23:41.54 | Guerin | loupgaroublond: #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org might have some people who can help you with it - otherwise there are people in here who do (just lurk and one will turn up) |
| 23:41.54 | fasta | When does aptitude update get a rewrite? |
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| 23:42.03 | greenmanwitch | hello debian users :) |
| 23:42.03 | Guerin | fasta: ? |
| 23:42.19 | greenmanwitch | I am a distant martian.. from the planet Gentoo. |
| 23:42.20 | Guerin | SoulChild: one gets debs, and one gets source debs |
| 23:42.27 | fasta | Guerin: it's > 10 times slower than the bandwidth I have available |
| 23:42.31 | Guerin | !gentoosmite greenmanwitch |
| 23:42.35 | fasta | Guerin: it doesn't work in parallel. |
| 23:42.45 | SoulChild | Guerin: but if i only keep deb-src i get nothing ,... maybe this is only in testing ??? |
| 23:42.47 | Guerin | fasta: use a faster mirror |
| 23:43.03 | Guerin | SoulChild: unless you intend to build things from source, don't use deb-src |
| 23:43.05 | greenmanwitch | Guerin, HA HA very funny. you are just jealous. |
| 23:43.12 | jetscreamer | src means source |
| 23:43.13 | fasta | Guerin: When I use that mirror for downloading packages, it's fast enough. |
| 23:43.19 | greenmanwitch | now now.. let me ask my question |
| 23:43.21 | jetscreamer | so if you use apt-build you want it |
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| 23:43.38 | jetscreamer | if all you do is apt-get install stuff, comment it out if you want |
| 23:43.39 | fasta | Guerin: it's aptitude update that doesn't do multiple requests at once. |
| 23:43.45 | martianixor | hi, guys shouldn't my box ask me for password when I sudo su? |
| 23:43.46 | greenmanwitch | what does debian take from *buntu (you know that crappy live cd..?) |
| 23:43.51 | Guerin | greenmanwitch: jealous? I used gentoo for nine moneths and got about three months work done on it, because I was constantly having to hand-hold the build scripts. |
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| 23:44.13 | jetscreamer | what he said rather |
| 23:44.16 | martianixor | i remember it was asking me for password |
| 23:44.20 | embrik | can anyone help me with installing a printer HP laserjet 1020. |
| 23:44.28 | jetscreamer | linux.hp.com |
| 23:44.42 | Guerin | fasta: ah, I see. that's probably because of the pdiffs - you can switch back to a monolithic system which gets one big file containing all the updates, instead of a million tiny ones. That will probably speed things up. |
| 23:44.49 | greenmanwitch | Guerin, well it isn't for everybody.. and debian users seem to especially despise it. I'm pretty new to gnu/linux and it just worked how I wanted it so I won't argue. I do plan to try out more distros though. |
| 23:45.03 | Guerin | greenmanwitch: that's always the best approach ;) |
| 23:45.18 | jetscreamer | pdiffs are lame if you don't apt-get update frequently |
| 23:45.22 | SoulChild | I LOVE DEBIAN !!! |
| 23:45.28 | Guerin | !aww |
| 23:45.28 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 23:45.33 | greenmanwitch | Guerin, but it seems to me that debian is trying to accommodate NOOBS with all of this stuff to make it easy |
| 23:45.34 | loupgaroublond | greenmanwitch, debian users despise gentoo? there are a few edge cases where i wish it could be more like gentoo ;) |
| 23:45.39 | diafic | Why do I get, nomatter how much fiddling I do with xorg.conf, I only get the option of 800x600 or 640x400? |
| 23:45.50 | greenmanwitch | loupgaroublond, :D |
| 23:45.50 | jetscreamer | greenmanwitch: yes, ever since sarge |
| 23:45.51 | ^NaTacHa^ | if ot only would have xen x64 stable :/ |
| 23:45.53 | Guerin | martianixor: sudo caches passwords for 15 minutes by default |
| 23:46.22 | martianixor | Guerin: yes that's if I used the password with sudo in the first place |
| 23:46.23 | Guerin | greenmanwitch: *shrug*, how is that a bad thing |
| 23:46.28 | jetscreamer | !tell diafic -about hwinfo |
| 23:46.29 | Guerin | i haven't roticed, anyway |
| 23:46.34 | greenmanwitch | well that annoys me. If a traditionally hard distro becomes NOOB friendly you get a flood of NOOBS and that is very annoying. they should be made to stick with NOOB distros or climb the learning curve! |
| 23:46.49 | Guerin | greenmanwitch: /msg dpkg advocacy troll |
| 23:46.52 | jetscreamer | greenmanwitch: all the noobs went to #ubuntu they used to be in here |
| 23:47.00 | ^NaTacHa^ | heh |
| 23:47.01 | Guerin | this is a *reverse* advocacy troll, how interesting |
| 23:47.11 | greenmanwitch | jetscreamer, what? do you tell them to go there? :P |
| 23:47.26 | loupgaroublond | Guerin, i'm not quite familiar with freenode, is #debian-mentors full, hence being dropped into ##debian-mentors? |
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| 23:47.29 | jetscreamer | greenmanwitch: no, but this channel used to be like #ubuntu before ubuntu |
| 23:47.41 | Guerin | loupgaroublond: #d-m is on irc.debian.org (oftc), not freenode. |
| 23:47.49 | TwinX | Linux is user-friendly. NOT idiot-friendly... |
| 23:47.52 | loupgaroublond | Guerin, ahh... |
| 23:47.56 | jetscreamer | yeah some go to oftc |
| 23:48.15 | greenmanwitch | jetscreamer, so you guys are glad ubuntu came then? kicked out all of the noobs? |
| 23:48.19 | Guerin | wtf |
| 23:48.20 | jetscreamer | eh |
| 23:48.29 | Guerin | ubuntu didn't kick out all the noobs |
| 23:48.35 | jetscreamer | it's a two bladed thing.. no noobs, no expanded userbase |
| 23:48.37 | greenmanwitch | no I mean.. |
| 23:48.45 | greenmanwitch | ubuntu took all of the noobs |
| 23:48.53 | Guerin | nor did anyone else - it's just that many of them choose to use ubuntu, and so get their kicks down on #ubuntu |
| 23:48.55 | greenmanwitch | hey look anyway I'm getting sidetracked |
| 23:48.57 | jetscreamer | no users, no distro |
| 23:49.13 | greenmanwitch | back to my original question.. what does debian get from ubuntu? |
| 23:49.16 | Guerin | jetscreamer: your logic is faulty. |
| 23:49.26 | martianixor | Guerin: is there a case that makes it never ask for pass when used with su? ! |
| 23:49.31 | Guerin | greenmanwitch: this is a question of debate. |
| 23:49.40 | jetscreamer | Guerin: it's the wide angle semi logic not the refined version |
| 23:49.44 | martianixor | simpley cause it's asking for pass when used with other things |
| 23:49.45 | Guerin | martianixor: yes, but that's very unwise indeed. |
| 23:49.54 | greenmanwitch | Guerin, well does it get anything script/code/config-wise? |
| 23:49.58 | martianixor | Guerin: exactly that's why I'm worried I don't know how it happened |
| 23:50.01 | Guerin | jetscreamer: the `beer in one hand, smoke in the other' logic. I know it well. |
| 23:50.13 | jetscreamer | i don't drink... :) |
| 23:50.17 | jetscreamer | (anymore) |
| 23:50.22 | diafic | jetscreamer, nope, still doesn't help |
| 23:50.22 | Guerin | martianixor: man sudoers. |
| 23:50.28 | diafic | 1600x1200 at 16 bits |
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| 23:50.31 | diafic | and nothing helps |
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| 23:50.43 | Guerin | greenmanwitch: yes, ubuntu contributes patches and so on back into debian, and the devs work together. |
| 23:50.49 | dondelelcaro | martianixor: you're looking for NOPASSWD |
| 23:50.58 | greenmanwitch | Guerin, ah.. okay. |
| 23:51.00 | jetscreamer | in /etc/sudoers |
| 23:51.02 | martianixor | Guerin: you're right may be the couple of times I manned sudoers I couldn't see the answer |
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| 23:51.17 | greenmanwitch | well I'll see you later if I try out debian then I guess |
| 23:51.20 | embrik | jetscreamer: I've got the drivers and everything seems right, but I get this message in /var/log/cups/error.log : PID 5150 (/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip) stopped with status 1! |
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| 23:51.39 | diafic | infact, it seems to be totally ignoring xorg.conf |
| 23:51.41 | Guerin | mm, that explains a lot |
| 23:51.44 | jetscreamer | embrik: i set up one hp a couple years ago ... so i'm not much help |
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| 23:53.08 | jetscreamer | ok. i have the correct headers, linux-headers-`uname -r` how do i fix m-a a-i giving me: /usr/src/modules/acx100/wlan.c:40:26: error: linux/config.h: No such file ... touch include/linux/config.h lets it progress, but it errors out later |
| 23:53.12 | embrik | anybody who can give me a hot tip on installing hp Laserjet 1020. Everything seems rright, but I think there is something about rights |
| 23:53.44 | freight_ | This may sound like a silly question, but how do I check and make sure a wireless nic is in full duplex, or even if it's capable of full duples? ethtool does not like wlan0 as an argument. |
| 23:53.48 | jetscreamer | is it usb? i found that in cups, using the parport:usb or something(i forget) worked and lpt1 didn't |
| 23:53.54 | martianixor | Guerin: thanks :-) it was just me over paranoid i tried sudo su now and it asked for pass :p |
| 23:55.14 | embrik | jetscreamer: It is usb. I find the printer and i find the drivers, but when I do a test print, I get a Knotifier .... client-error-not-possible |
| 23:55.41 | embrik | jetscreamer: debian etch kde 3.5 |
| 23:55.57 | jetscreamer | embrik: when i did it, what i said worked. something about what port you tell cups it's on.... |
| 23:56.12 | jetscreamer | i think i had to get that out of dmesg |
| 23:56.15 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 23:56.52 | embrik | jetscreamer: I don't think you have to, when it is a local printer, using usb |
| 23:57.08 | jetscreamer | i did.. all i know |
| 23:57.31 | lith | Something is very not right with the netinst image... I've installed debian a hundred times and this is the 1st time i've had any challenges |
| 23:57.57 | lith | has the install process changed ??? |
| 23:58.24 | Guerin | lith: hairstyles change. interest rates fluctuate. |
| 23:58.45 | lith | guerin: relation to the debian installer? |
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| 23:59.01 | Guerin | lith: an oblique way of saying `yes' |
