| 00:00.05 | embrik | I wonder. May it be a problem with usb ver 1.0 on the box and usb 2.0 on the printer? |
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| 00:00.27 | lith | *shrug* not that my oppinion matters... but the old way was more intuitive ... |
| 00:00.36 | embrik | Because I've installed at work, without problem on a newer box |
| 00:00.41 | Guerin | embrik: no, 2.0 is totally compatible with 1.1 |
| 00:01.13 | Guerin | lith: file an installation report once you're done |
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| 00:02.56 | peterS | Guerin: in theory. I've seen weird problems related to peripherals misbehaving because the manufacturer assumed everyone would be using USB 2.0 ports |
| 00:03.13 | Guerin | peterS: huh, really. |
| 00:03.31 | peterS | i.e., once you load the ehci_hcd driver, to enable usb 2.0 support, suddenly your strange problem with the external hard drive disappears |
| 00:03.37 | diafic | resolution problem fixed, it was thinking the panel was 0x0 pixels (its damaged) |
| 00:03.38 | Guerin | in principle those devices shouldn't have been certified by the USB consortium or whoever gives out the wee sticker |
| 00:03.45 | diafic | so now it works with some bios changes :) |
| 00:04.05 | stoned | alright, cold turkey again |
| 00:04.14 | lith | Aptitude is saying that gcc is already installed... yet i cant run gcc |
| 00:04.26 | Guerin | !b-e lith |
| 00:04.26 | dpkg | lith: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
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| 00:06.12 | peterS | Guerin: it is possible that the problem is not with the device, but that the device somehow detected a usb 2.0 port which, however, is not being driven in 2.0 mode by the OS. I don't really know how that stuff works. it is weird enough that two modes (usb 1.1, usb 2.0) on the same physical port are driven by two different drivers. |
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| 00:07.29 | Guerin | mm, true |
| 00:07.37 | lith | E: Couldn't find package build-essential |
| 00:07.44 | lith | apt-get and aptitude say that :( |
| 00:08.14 | lith | I dont _understand_.... i've never had any challenges with debian _ever_! now i feel like i'm trying to speak a foreign language |
| 00:09.04 | TwinX | lith etch or lenny? |
| 00:09.17 | peterS | lith: yeah that does sound weird. build-essential most definitely exists in sid right now. |
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| 00:09.30 | genio|away | where's can take (download link) qt 3.2 headers and libraries? |
| 00:09.32 | peterS | (and always has, in the sense of "for as long as I can remember") |
| 00:09.34 | lith | TwinX: ah ... i'm not sure... whichever it is, I dont like it |
| 00:09.37 | lith | I'm used to sarge |
| 00:09.49 | peterS | lith: does 'apt-cache policy build-essential' list it? |
| 00:09.55 | TwinX | lith maybe u forgot to uncomment some ources |
| 00:10.00 | lith | W: Unable to locate package build-essential |
| 00:10.15 | genio|away | where's can take (download link) qt 3.2 headers and libraries? |
| 00:10.16 | lith | Twin: And it tried to get me to install a foreign keyboard |
| 00:10.20 | lith | english wasnt on the frickin list |
| 00:10.27 | peterS | lith: see http://p12n.org/tmp/sources.list.etch for an example sources.list file. yours should look similar. |
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| 00:10.48 | lith | i've d/led the netinst image twice now... So i know i have the right one |
| 00:11.00 | TwinX | lith lol, i think u downloaded a very wrong version of netinst. |
| 00:11.05 | peterS | lith: that's /etc/apt/sources.list to be precise |
| 00:11.12 | jamesbrink | hell i just setup incomming rules for iptables, no outgoin, but for some reason i cannot do dns lookups now |
| 00:11.20 | genio|away | where's can take (download link) qt 3.2 headers and libraries? |
| 00:11.53 | xingu | so here's a rhetorical question; why do my touchpad scroll regions work in every application I use on my home workstation in gnome, but not on my work notebook in things like outlook's various panes? |
| 00:12.12 | lith | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20070407-11:29] <-- thats what it says |
| 00:12.15 | peterS | xingu: yeah I hope that's rhetorical, we can't support Outlook in this channel (: |
| 00:12.43 | peterS | lith: ah so the only source you have in there is your CD. you should add the contents of http://p12n.org/tmp/sources.list.etch, or similar, then. |
| 00:12.53 | peterS | lith: and then run 'aptitude update' before trying to install stuff |
| 00:12.55 | xingu | the xorg synaptics support takes a gigantic flying dump on its windows equivalent |
| 00:13.08 | genio|away | where's can take (download link) qt 3.2 headers and libraries? |
| 00:14.19 | peterS | genio|away: Debian doesn't ship it, we only have Qt 3.3.7 |
| 00:14.27 | peterS | genio|away: 'aptitude install libqt3-mt-dev' |
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| 00:15.03 | xingu | here's another rhetorical question; why does my gfgo mxm module run cooler when powermizer has been knackered (perflevelsrc hack), and why does the software side of things become rock solid too once I do? |
| 00:15.18 | peterS | genio|away: there is also libqt4-dev if you want to be cutting-edge (: |
| 00:16.03 | xingu | bloody broken closed source shiteware with bugs baked in |
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| 00:17.28 | rokra | Hello |
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| 00:18.23 | magyar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.50 | rokra | I m searching if there is a software to manage multiple workstation ? installation packages, reinstall... |
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| 00:19.05 | petemc | rokra: puppet, cfengine |
| 00:19.22 | petemc | rokra: theres a distributed ssh client too |
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| 00:21.54 | ilreds | hi |
| 00:22.15 | ilreds | i've installed a minimal debian into a old 486 |
| 00:22.49 | ilreds | but i've unchecked the base-system field during installation...how can i install that? |
| 00:23.19 | ilreds | does a meta-package exist? |
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| 00:24.00 | lontra | ilreds: you can run tasksel |
| 00:24.57 | ilreds | lontra: thanks |
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| 00:26.21 | rokra | petemc: did you try them? |
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| 00:26.52 | petemc | rokra: ive looked at both, they're not trivial, i dont have either in production |
| 00:27.25 | rokra | ok |
| 00:27.45 | ilreds | lontra: tasksel doesn't have a base-system field |
| 00:28.16 | genio|away | where's can take (download link) qt 3.2 headers and libraries? |
| 00:28.25 | lith | Right on! thanks guys! |
| 00:28.34 | peterS | genio|away: I answered your question already. stop repeating it. |
| 00:28.37 | lith | that was the problem... apt didnt have the correct sources (or it didnt have the ones i needed) |
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| 00:28.49 | lith | that is so strange... usually setup takes you through an APT setup as well where you choose your sources |
| 00:28.59 | TwinX | lith lol |
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| 00:29.17 | lith | Thanks so frickin much for listening to me whine like a little girl :D |
| 00:29.37 | genio|away | i not see answered |
| 00:29.57 | TwinX | lolll come on, everybody gets tired sometimes and makes litt mistakes :P |
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| 00:30.08 | lontra | ilreds: how did you install debian without installing a base system? |
| 00:30.09 | muh2000 | what happened to apache2-ssl-certificate ? |
| 00:30.11 | shogunx | genio|away, google.com/linux |
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| 00:31.04 | abrotman | make-ssl-cert |
| 00:31.42 | peterS | genio|away: look harder. I gave you an answer 17 minutes ago. |
| 00:31.51 | ilreds | lontra: simply starting by floppies, following install steps, and unchecked base-system task when installer asked me which group af packages i want (LAMP, file server, web server, desktop, etc.) |
| 00:32.17 | petemc | isnt install base system a step you can go back to in the installer, rather than a box to check? |
| 00:32.21 | petemc | or am i confused? |
| 00:32.47 | lontra | ilreds: i don't think base system is a box you select it ... |
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| 00:33.43 | ilreds | lontra: for example i have no localization, no less, no ports opened after boot |
| 00:34.20 | xingu | d-i is always a complete mystery to me, it's typically 5y+ between installs |
| 00:34.25 | ilreds | only syslog, cron, udev like service up and running |
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| 00:34.47 | ilreds | no discover, no exim |
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| 00:35.08 | abrotman | gravity: when i close my lid .. X doesn't come back .. likely X bug or acpi bug ? |
| 00:35.11 | ash__ | Question... what is the command from the terminal that allows you to setup gmd/kdm kinda deal? |
| 00:35.23 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure gdm or dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 00:35.28 | ash__ | ty |
| 00:35.30 | abrotman | or aptitudue install one of them first |
| 00:35.57 | ash__ | they are installed... I accidentally removed my videocard driver now it wont start: ( |
| 00:37.10 | ash__ | Wait.. that's not the right command... |
| 00:37.13 | abrotman | hrm .. |
| 00:37.14 | xingu | abrotman: what driver? and does the same thing happen with regular xlock dpms blanking? |
| 00:37.31 | ash__ | It's like dpkg-reconfigure xserver or something like that |
| 00:37.36 | abrotman | xingu: if i let the screensaver come on .. no .. but it hasn't blanked yet today |
| 00:37.53 | abrotman | Jul 28 20:23:40 localhost Xprt_64: cat: /var/run/Xprt_0.pid: No such file or directory |
| 00:37.58 | abrotman | i'm thinking that can't be normal |
| 00:38.05 | TwinX | sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
| 00:38.10 | xingu | it's not |
| 00:38.10 | ash__ | ty |
| 00:38.22 | TwinX | :) |
| 00:38.24 | abrotman | -plow you mean ? |
| 00:38.41 | TwinX | dont know my xorg says phigh |
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| 00:40.05 | xingu | abrotman: I'd be pretty surprised if xprint was clobbering dpms restore though; however some drivers have been known to choke in the past with that symptom |
| 00:40.13 | abrotman | guess i'll just have to not close my lid and burn electricity and cut down the rain forest |
| 00:40.21 | xingu | abrotman: there's been various creative hacks including but not limited to using vbetool to repost the card... |
| 00:40.47 | abrotman | xingu: sounds like work .. shouldn't be that hard :) |
| 00:40.53 | xingu | abrotman: might be an idea to remove the screensaver (use just blank screen) with a short dpms timer (ie, blank at 10min, dpms-off at 11min) |
| 00:40.55 | abrotman | i jsut don't want it to kill my box! |
| 00:41.05 | abrotman | xingu: i don't think it's the screensaver |
| 00:41.07 | xingu | abrotman: the hard bit is working out what's busted |
| 00:41.22 | xingu | abrotman: sure; this is a proxy for "is dpms-off irrecoverable" |
| 00:41.45 | xingu | abrotman: that's all I'm trying to get you to work out here; if not, move onto the next class of weirdnesses |
| 00:41.56 | abrotman | i blame acpi :) |
| 00:42.05 | abrotman | waitno |
| 00:42.08 | abrotman | !sing blame canada |
| 00:42.08 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
| 00:42.36 | Garda | !gentoosmite abrotman |
| 00:43.03 | abrotman | xingu: i don't think it's dpms |
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| 00:43.14 | abrotman | though wtf do i know |
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| 00:43.39 | abrotman | AIUI .. dpms works on time .. acpi works on events .. when i close my lid .. X no workie .. doesn't sound like a time based event |
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| 00:43.46 | xingu | abrotman: is your notebook actually doing a suspend to ram when lid is closed? I can't remember if you're a gnome boy or not |
| 00:44.06 | abrotman | xingu: freaking shouldn't be .. suspend is stupid .. turn it off or leave it on :) |
| 00:44.09 | xingu | abrotman: lid closed is usually instant dpms-sleep for the monitor |
| 00:44.22 | xingu | abrotman: which is why I bring the issue up. :) |
| 00:44.23 | abrotman | xingu: based on acpi events .. or X settings ? |
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| 00:45.02 | xingu | abrotman: um if memory serves - acpi event (lid button) -> hald -> screensaver lock |
| 00:45.13 | abrotman | from /etc/acpi/events/ ? |
| 00:45.20 | abrotman | because there's nothing in the but the powerbutton |
| 00:45.45 | xingu | abrotman: I have a nasty suspicion hald monitors /proc/acpi/events all on its own, but now you're felching half baked memories |
| 00:45.50 | xingu | lemme take a quick poke |
| 00:46.02 | abrotman | xingu: oh goodie .. you're half baked! |
| 00:46.24 | shogunx | poke, not toke abrotman |
| 00:47.16 | abrotman | why does acpi have to suck so much .. |
| 00:47.30 | Supaplex | standards |
| 00:47.34 | abrotman | or lack of |
| 00:47.38 | abrotman | or lack of implementation |
| 00:47.42 | xingu | least cost design |
| 00:47.45 | xingu | :) |
| 00:47.48 | shogunx | computers are meant to be left on? |
| 00:47.49 | Supaplex | too many people deciding their own |
| 00:48.51 | Supaplex | !lart bts #435054 |
| 00:49.01 | abrotman | xingu: this is the first time it's happened .. |
| 00:49.02 | xingu | abrotman: acpid </proc/acpi/events -> etc/acpi/events/lidbtn -> etc/acpi/lid.sh -> various nasty hacks to kick screensavers |
| 00:49.20 | abrotman | i don't have a lid.sh .. |
| 00:49.27 | abrotman | just powerbutton stuff |
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| 00:49.31 | Supaplex | did yours flip? ;) |
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| 00:49.35 | abrotman | just me |
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| 00:49.55 | xingu | abrotman: I had sweet f-a in etc/acpi for a while, I did a confmiss in the end to get it back. |
| 00:50.16 | xingu | abrotman: but if there's nothing there for you this is smelling like a driver issue to me |
| 00:50.23 | abrotman | even in the events/ .. there's only powerbtn |
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| 00:50.30 | abrotman | xingu: i assume acpi driver ... |
| 00:50.42 | xingu | abrotman: no, display driver |
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| 00:50.58 | xingu | abrotman: might be worth some percussive maintenance with vbetool |
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| 00:51.23 | abrotman | i'll just file a bug on emacs |
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| 00:52.19 | xingu | abrotman: ie, start by reposting the card; if that "works" see if you can induce with dpms or vgastate or mode restore |
| 00:52.21 | abrotman | oh wait ... |
| 00:52.25 | abrotman | dpms is disabled :) |
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| 00:52.45 | palestinian | if someone speak spanish http://mundolinuxero.blogspot.com/2007/07/repositorios-google-oficiales.html |
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| 00:53.00 | magyar | checking for session includes... configure: error: Cannot find php_session.h |
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| 00:53.03 | abrotman | palestinian: babelfish.altavista.org |
| 00:53.06 | magyar | what am i missing? |
| 00:53.12 | xingu | abrotman: acpid can be quite chatty too if it does go spare; /var/log/acpid |
| 00:53.12 | abrotman | !find php_session.h etch |
| 00:53.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'php_session.h' (2): (/usr/include/php5/ext/session/php_session.h) in devel/php5-dev ;; (/usr/include/php4/ext/session/php_session.h) in devel/php4-dev. |
| 00:53.37 | palestinian | abrotman, what's that?, it can be displayed |
| 00:53.38 | xingu | abrotman: just to round out my life, this notebook shipped with an *autorepeating* lid button. :) |
| 00:53.39 | abrotman | xingu: not much in there |
| 00:53.56 | abrotman | xingu: just client rules loaded |
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| 00:54.19 | xingu | abrotman: fair do, it's likely not acpi related then tbh; I'd focus on display driver weirdness. |
| 00:54.23 | magyar | abrotman: i have php5-dev installed |
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| 00:54.56 | genio85 | i am back |
| 00:55.01 | abrotman | magyar: shoujld work then |
| 00:55.49 | xingu | abrotman: when I say "not acpi related" I mean "unrelated to the linux acpid and kernel-mode acpi support"; it could well be that at the same time as generating a lid button event your notebook is *also* helpfully powering down your graphics hardware while in system management mode |
| 00:56.05 | abrotman | not mch in the X logs |
| 00:56.24 | magyar | abrotman: it will not, as etch is missing php5-pear, pecl install is a part of php4-pear |
| 00:56.27 | magyar | thaat sucks |
| 00:56.38 | magyar | why was php5 included in etch? |
| 00:56.41 | abrotman | xingu: just that Xprt stuff over and over |
| 00:56.42 | xingu | abrotman: hence, the intricate handshake between graphics driver and outcomes such as yours; the hardware has gone somewhere the display driver doesn't know about/ wasn't expecting |
| 00:56.47 | abrotman | magyar: you want php6 ? |
| 00:57.05 | abrotman | xingu: X sucks ... |
| 00:57.09 | magyar | keep it one version, the one that is complete |
| 00:57.09 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:57.25 | xingu | abrotman: the "cure" for that class of fault is invariably to repost the card or restore the mode such that the display driver's view of reality matches reality |
| 00:57.46 | abrotman | !info php-pear etch |
| 00:57.49 | dpkg | php-pear: (PEAR - PHP Extension and Application Repository), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.0-8+etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 299 kB, Installed size: 2188 kB |
| 00:57.54 | abrotman | seems like php5 to me |
| 00:57.59 | abrotman | though i don't htink pear cares |
| 00:58.01 | Azar | palestinian: uh read about that, have no idea what google wants... personally I will still use my sources.list to point to my repository |
| 00:58.07 | abrotman | xingu: i'm going to have to play wiht it some more ... |
| 00:58.14 | xingu | abrotman: yep. :) |
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| 00:58.29 | palestinian | Azar, but why?,maybe they do a good job |
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| 00:58.53 | ryanCH | i try to access a folder with the CD command but it doesn't work, but this folder has spaces in it, what i do? |
| 00:58.54 | jetscreamer | so did anybody ever answer me? :) |
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| 00:59.02 | xingu | abrotman: just out of interest what hardware is it? or is that top secret? :) |
| 00:59.04 | abrotman | xingu: i'll try to let it sleep .. though dpms is disabled |
| 00:59.13 | abrotman | xingu: 3-4 year old IBM laptop |
| 00:59.20 | jetscreamer | ok. i have the correct headers, linux-headers-`uname -r` how do i fix m-a a-i giving me: /usr/src/modules/acx100/wlan.c:40:26: error: linux/config.h: No such file ... touch include/linux/config.h lets it progress, but it errors out later |
| 00:59.21 | Azar | palestinian: I do not trust google or any 3rd party with Debian packages... or any other stuff |
| 00:59.27 | xingu | so, i8xx or ati he guesses |
| 00:59.35 | palestinian | jajaja,desconfiados |
| 00:59.40 | abrotman | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) |
| 00:59.51 | Azar | palestinian: google should just stay on the business it originally was/is for: search engine |
| 00:59.52 | petemc | ryanCH: tab complete the name |
| 01:00.09 | palestinian | Azar, but they r not doing it for business |
| 01:00.16 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:00.26 | Azar | palestinian: "business" was just a figure of speech |
| 01:00.28 | abrotman | wtf are you talking about ? |
| 01:00.31 | shogunx | Azar they have to do something with all that cash |
| 01:00.35 | palestinian | Azar, ok |
| 01:00.37 | Azar | abrotman: repos on google |
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| 01:00.49 | abrotman | backports.org or apt-get.org |
| 01:01.08 | abrotman | any non-Debian repo should be used with caution |
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| 01:01.13 | Azar | palestinian: if la cucharra es para la sopa, para que usarla a comer papas? |
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| 01:01.24 | Azar | abrotman: right, thanks |
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| 01:01.45 | palestinian | Azar, tenes razon, la verdad no le doy importancia,lo importante es que se interesen tanto por linux |
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| 01:02.03 | jetscreamer | no sabe su palabras |
| 01:02.18 | Azar | palestinian: it is nice that they try offer moral support for linux in general, but I use google for what they are ment to do best: search |
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| 01:02.40 | palestinian | Azar, me too |
| 01:02.53 | Azar | jetscreamer: hehe I told him that if the spoon is the utensil used to eat soup, why use it also for eating french fries? |
| 01:03.49 | jetscreamer | there is no spoon |
| 01:03.51 | jetscreamer | !spoon |
| 01:03.51 | dpkg | There is no spoon. |
| 01:03.54 | jetscreamer | see? |
| 01:03.57 | Azar | hehe |
| 01:04.08 | Azar | ok i should used a fork analogy |
| 01:04.50 | jetscreamer | well, i've never seen anybody use a spoon for fries |
| 01:04.54 | jetscreamer | fork yes |
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| 01:05.38 | abrotman | xingu: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=390913 |
| 01:05.54 | peterS | you don't think maybe "there is no spoon" is too obvious of an answer to any discussion involving utensils? |
| 01:05.55 | xingu | the spoon is real - the fries are a fabrication |
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| 01:06.35 | petemc | reality is the illusion |
| 01:07.12 | jetscreamer | there is no illusion |
| 01:07.15 | xingu | abrotman: that's all STR/STD dainbramage though |
| 01:07.33 | abrotman | eh .. let me finish reading! |
| 01:08.28 | xingu | *shudder* |
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| 01:09.03 | xingu | compulsory staff poker nights, and illusions mixed up in 100l buckets |
| 01:09.36 | jetscreamer | abrotman: i fixed her computer, all that old pron should be available soon |
| 01:09.44 | abrotman | hehe' |
| 01:09.46 | jetscreamer | s/old/oldies/ |
| 01:10.04 | abrotman | stupid fucking acpi hacks |
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| 01:10.06 | Azar | jetscreamer: regarding "gadget software" popping up that basically performs the same tasks as the good old original ones (that sometimes come with a payload of crapola as well).. is like trying to scratch the left year with the right hand over your head :D |
| 01:10.39 | xingu | jetscreamer: config.h is produced during an actual kernel build; I don't use the damn things but I'd be willing to bet that kernel-headers is denatured in that regard |
| 01:10.40 | Supaplex | Azar: cool, I should try that ;) |
| 01:10.52 | Azar | honorables petemc, peterS!! good day |
| 01:10.56 | xingu | jetscreamer: please tell me you've already asked dpkg to find config.h for you :) |
| 01:11.12 | jetscreamer | xingu: i was thinking about just compiling source with same config |
| 01:11.24 | jetscreamer | yes i did, and google... seems config.h is deprecated |
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| 01:11.45 | xingu | jetscreamer: s/config.h/autoconf.h/ from memory |
| 01:12.45 | jetscreamer | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=506363 |
| 01:12.48 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
| 01:13.08 | jetscreamer | i can build a kernel, and i've done the m-a thing... but i don't know the internals |
| 01:13.18 | petemc | linuxquestions teh suq |
| 01:13.57 | xingu | jetscreamer: so many files #included config.h that changing config used to trigger pretty much a whole tree rebuild. |
| 01:14.21 | xingu | jetscreamer: hence, autoconf.h, sparing use of. |
| 01:14.43 | Azar | abrotman: regarding your comments on thunderbird bugs earlier: http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry1562.html |
| 01:15.03 | abrotman | Azar: that has nothing to do with it |
| 01:15.26 | Azar | yes but the bottom line: it gets the boot |
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| 01:15.43 | jetscreamer | but, iirc i don't have .22 on the lappy |
| 01:15.43 | xingu | abrotman: http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_display_remaining_black_after_resume#Affected_Models |
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| 01:16.07 | jetscreamer | (a reason to move it) |
| 01:16.14 | abrotman | xingu: mine isn't there |
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| 01:16.55 | xingu | abrotman: I'm guessing you're a vbetool post'er |
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| 01:17.23 | genio97 | i am back |
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| 01:17.34 | abrotman | xingu: i didn't post anything .. it's a horribly inconclusive bug |
| 01:17.44 | abrotman | xingu: do one or both or neither .. wait for a package .. waht |
| 01:18.06 | xingu | abrotman: :) as in "vbetool post" at lid open. |
| 01:18.12 | xingu | abrotman: userland. |
| 01:18.30 | xingu | abrotman: just try it from a ssh login when the display is black with lid open |
| 01:18.46 | abrotman | mine isnt' even on the list! |
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| 01:19.41 | abrotman | xingu: i don't even want it to sleep .. just turn the f'in monitor off |
| 01:20.21 | genio97 | where's i can take (download link)the Qt 3.2 headers and libraries? |
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| 01:21.17 | Azar | abrotman: new lappy? |
| 01:21.17 | genio97 | Qt 3.2) (headers and libraries |
| 01:21.41 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 01:21.45 | abrotman | no .. it's damn old |
| 01:21.55 | genio97 | Qt 3.2) (headers and libraries |
| 01:22.00 | abrotman | stop that |
| 01:22.21 | Azar | genio97: if you got a clear question about debian, just ask |
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| 01:22.37 | verboz | hello |
| 01:22.42 | abrotman | apt-cache search libqt3 |
| 01:22.52 | verboz | i've pb with automatix |
| 01:23.05 | verboz | i've intalled it with edgy |
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| 01:23.12 | verboz | and when i update my os |
| 01:23.14 | Azar | verboz: you should ask in #ubuntu |
| 01:23.14 | abrotman | verboz: try #ubuntu .. i think |
| 01:23.21 | verboz | ok |
| 01:23.28 | Azar | verboz: we don't use stuff like that |
| 01:23.41 | verboz | ok |
| 01:23.43 | verboz | thanks |
| 01:23.45 | verboz | :) |
| 01:23.49 | Azar | n/p |
| 01:24.03 | Azar | stoned: .... |
| 01:24.10 | abrotman | xingu: i still can't figure out if it's the driver or acpi .. it used to work on etch without issue |
| 01:24.19 | Supaplex | !tell verboz -about based on debian |
| 01:24.30 | Supaplex | verboz: just some more helpful info. good luck. :) |
| 01:24.50 | Azar | soo.. Supaplex what's new with you? |
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| 01:25.28 | Supaplex | Azar: bug #435054 :-/ |
| 01:25.46 | Azar | :) you just filed it? |
| 01:25.52 | Supaplex | yup |
| 01:26.26 | Azar | nice, man |
| 01:27.49 | Azar | some weekend wtf: http://www.thedailywtf.com/Images/200707/error'd/mysql.png |
| 01:28.34 | sbuhj_99 | looking for a cross-platform (*nix & win) app that will view JPEGs and store the thumbnails in a DB for quick viewing later. |
| 01:28.37 | Azar | oh and this one is niiicerr: http://www.thedailywtf.com/Images/200707/error'd/screen.png |
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| 01:29.52 | krazykit | sbuhj_99, all i can think of is the gimp, and i don't know that they can share a database. |
| 01:30.34 | jetscreamer | !pdiff |
| 01:30.34 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. you can disable the use of pdiffs by adding 'Acquire::Pdiffs "false";' to your /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 01:31.26 | abrotman | jetscreamer: msg the bot .. jeez |
| 01:31.57 | nvz | /dev/sdb1 vfat 1.9G 544M 1.4G 29% /media/mmc |
| 01:32.00 | nvz | touch: cannot touch `/media/mmc/this': No space left on device |
| 01:32.14 | nvz | o.O wth is up with this microsd card? |
| 01:32.19 | abrotman | fsck it |
| 01:32.22 | asg | nvz: df -i /dev/sdb1 |
| 01:32.28 | nvz | I did fsck and reformat |
| 01:32.35 | nvz | it always stops writing after about 500mb |
| 01:32.41 | nvz | I got 1.7gb I want to put on it |
| 01:33.08 | nvz | Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on |
| 01:33.08 | nvz | /dev/sdb1 0 0 0 - /media/mmc |
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| 01:33.20 | nvz | I don't think fat even has inodes :P |
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| 01:33.49 | nvz | the internal memory on this device just had all 1.7gb on it, but it won't let me put it on the sd card |
| 01:33.50 | lightning | how do you load galeon without the recovery warning? |
| 01:33.59 | nvz | both are 2gb flash just one is removable |
| 01:34.13 | nvz | same filesystem I have no idea what the deal is |
| 01:34.14 | Azar | nvz: holy cow! |
| 01:34.28 | nvz | Azar: ): |
| 01:34.35 | asg | nvz: is it 16bit or 32bit FAT? |
| 01:34.42 | nvz | its fat 16 |
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| 01:35.32 | nvz | I thought it was just windows dickin me around, but linux says its full too |
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| 01:36.07 | nvz | ah I guess the internal 2gb is formatte fat32 |
| 01:36.10 | asg | nvz: reformat it with fat32 |
| 01:36.10 | xingu | nvz: is it *really* fat16 or has mkfs.vfat built it as fat12? |
| 01:36.18 | nvz | so I guess I should format the card with fat32 also |
| 01:36.37 | nvz | xingu: its real fat16. I made it on windows vista |
| 01:37.04 | Guerin | that's no guarantee |
| 01:37.15 | Guerin | in fact, that makes it less likely to be real |
| 01:37.17 | nvz | well either way that seems to be the problem |
| 01:37.42 | nvz | the internal memory is fat32 and had all 1.7gb on it, the card is fat16 and will only hold like 540mb |
| 01:38.01 | nvz | so I am gonna move that 540mb back onto the hd and format it fat32 |
| 01:39.03 | Guerin | nvz: so ... you use windows vista? |
| 01:39.21 | asg | Guerin: he uses TacOS X |
| 01:39.29 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:39.29 | nvz | I have to move all my music onto the microSD card because the card reader only works for mp3 I have to put my video and other content on the internal mem |
| 01:39.35 | jetscreamer | more like 'you can afford to run vista?' |
| 01:39.35 | Guerin | !beer asg |
| 01:39.42 | nvz | I just bought two compaq laptops that have vista |
| 01:39.46 | jetscreamer | what with the hw upgrades and stuff |
| 01:39.49 | Guerin | nvz: you have my condolences |
| 01:39.51 | stoned | who |
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| 01:39.54 | nvz | its alright.. took me a week to realize it sucks |
| 01:40.01 | stoned | oh Azar yo |
| 01:40.01 | asg | Guerin: :) |
| 01:40.02 | sectoid | fat32 would probably work better as the files won't take as many blocks to store as a fat16 fs |
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| 01:40.06 | xingu | nvz: if memory serves 504M is a magic CHS addressibility limit |
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| 01:40.21 | stoned | is there a way to mount ext3 in such a way as to ignore case sensitivity |
| 01:40.26 | nvz | what is really aggrivating is I was trying to play some old games with my brother last night and vista doesnt support IPX at all.. |
| 01:40.30 | nvz | totally lame |
| 01:40.49 | Guerin | stoned: no, but in bash you can turn off case sensitivity for autocomplete |
| 01:41.02 | stoned | hmm |
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| 01:41.23 | Guerin | stoned: think about that for a moment ... what would the filesystem do if it contained files called Foo and foo and you mounted wit insensitive? |
| 01:41.23 | sectoid | of course it doesn't.. thats M$ for you.. but might be able to force an IPX driver from a previous windows on it.. some how |
| 01:41.24 | asg | stoned: or run a filesystem that isn't case sensitive |
| 01:41.41 | stoned | there was a driver I saw a while back, Ican't recall it, it was either a patch or something for ext3 or it was another ext3 driver which loaded case insensitive |
| 01:41.47 | stoned | ext3 something ci |
| 01:41.52 | jetscreamer | or just rename everyting lowercase |
| 01:42.03 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 01:42.28 | xingu | nvz: here's a question; leave the card as it is, and try putting all the files in subdirs, not in the root dir. |
| 01:42.37 | Supaplex | stoned: it really bites when you install the lwp-agent aliases of HEAD GET POST and find out you overwrote head because it's case insensitive. (mac os perl gotcha on hfs) |
| 01:42.38 | stoned | well the problem is that I have a few websites on cd, and they are all weird filenames, mixed caps etc., while the html code references different case files, so nothing renders properly |
| 01:42.44 | stoned | hm |
| 01:42.57 | sectoid | that could be it too.. maxed out the root directory |
| 01:43.02 | asg | stoned: rename(1) |
| 01:43.03 | stoned | what if I create a false vfat fs and put it on there, think it would be ok? |
| 01:43.07 | stoned | asg: not an option |
| 01:43.09 | stoned | too tedius |
| 01:43.18 | nvz | xingu: I'm going to try reformatting first. eventually I will put each artist into a seperate folder cause it can do album art and whatnot.. but it can sort by tags so I dont need folders |
| 01:43.18 | stoned | and would reqire going through lots of code |
| 01:43.24 | Guerin | stoned: one command is too tedious? |
| 01:43.29 | foo | Guerin: uh, it would bow down to me! |
| 01:43.35 | xingu | nvz: I have a hazy memory that fat16 can't store more than 400M or something stupid in the top directory. |
| 01:43.39 | nvz | it held all 400+ songs 1.7gb on the internal 2gb |
| 01:43.46 | xingu | nvz: ... the fat16 root dir can't use extents |
| 01:43.48 | stoned | Guerin: it would take a lot more than that |
| 01:43.49 | Guerin | foo: you think YOU would take precedence over Foo? |
| 01:44.15 | stoned | Guerin: the filenames in the html are different cases than the files on the disk |
| 01:44.30 | stoned | Guerin: its not as simple as lower case or upper case |
| 01:44.53 | Guerin | stoned: so run it through apache, with the insensitive thing on |
| 01:44.53 | asg | stoned: then use rename(1) to lowercase the files and sed(1) to turn all url references to lowercase. |
| 01:44.53 | stoned | immagine leet speak |
| 01:45.05 | xingu | nvz: you can still put all the files in a single dir; just not the top dir, not with fat16 |
| 01:45.06 | stoned | asg: ohhh |
| 01:45.20 | stoned | yeah |
| 01:45.22 | xingu | nvz: pretty please just try it for me? I'm curious now |
| 01:45.26 | nvz | that makes things complicated |
| 01:45.39 | asg | stoned: it is tedious but works. You should shoot the moron that put you in this position afterwards though. |
| 01:45.51 | stoned | asg: I can't, its my moronic boss |
| 01:45.56 | stoned | but whatever |
| 01:46.02 | Guerin | asg: that would constitute self-harm, and we all know stoned isn't emo |
| 01:46.05 | asg | stoned: career advancement? |
| 01:46.06 | Guerin | oh |
| 01:46.06 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.09 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 01:46.09 | asg | Guerin: hah |
| 01:46.14 | stoned | you know I never understood what emo is |
| 01:46.21 | stoned | asg: on a saturday night, yessireee |
| 01:46.30 | nvz | xingu: its obvious the filesystem is the problem.. I had 424 mp3s 1.7gb on the internal fat32 2gb drive and tried to move them to the external fat16 2gb drive and it runs out of space at 540mb used |
| 01:46.36 | Guerin | stoned: `i'm sad because of my white privilege' |
| 01:46.38 | stoned | emotional? is probably what it stands for |
| 01:46.41 | stoned | or punk |
| 01:46.43 | stoned | ohh |
| 01:46.49 | stoned | Guerin: that can't be accurate |
| 01:46.50 | Guerin | emo has no relationship to punk |
| 01:46.54 | Guerin | stoned: it is. |
| 01:46.58 | jetscreamer | Guerin: you're not white, you're irish :o |
| 01:47.00 | xingu | nvz: yep; this limit is gone with fat32 |
| 01:47.02 | jetscreamer | j/k |
| 01:47.03 | lightning | how can you find out what family a font is? |
| 01:47.05 | stoned | they actually make music like that |
| 01:47.10 | stoned | well not music but songs |
| 01:47.14 | Guerin | jetscreamer: i'm only a quarter irish! |
| 01:47.15 | stoned | damn man |
| 01:47.16 | xingu | nvz: but I still wanna know if it works with the files on the fat16 - just in a subdir. |
| 01:47.27 | xingu | nvz: it ought to... |
| 01:47.28 | stoned | hey im like half or quarter scottish |
| 01:47.34 | stoned | so its like word man |
| 01:47.51 | Guerin | well, I'm a quarter scottish, too |
| 01:47.57 | nvz | xingu: I don't know or care really heh. just so long as it takes all my music so I can put movies on the internal mem |
| 01:47.59 | Guerin | but this sort of accounting is a bit weird |
| 01:48.14 | stoned | http://bill.herrin.us/freebies/ <- Guerin |
| 01:48.18 | stoned | i found it |
| 01:48.22 | stoned | but ... |
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| 01:48.47 | nvz | sucks they couldnt get better speeds on the sd card.. cause only being able to hold pictures/video/voice recording on the internal mem and only using the sd slot for music is shitty |
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| 01:49.02 | Guerin | stoned: nifty. |
| 01:49.05 | nvz | music takes up far less space than video.. thats what you need removable media to store more of |
| 01:49.11 | jetscreamer | i was too lazy to take the laptop back in the lr and hook the cable up so i just took my cable off my box |
| 01:50.25 | nvz | why I'm even watching video on a 1" screen or whatever this is Idk.. heh |
| 01:50.33 | nvz | its actually got a really nice picture on it |
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| 02:00.29 | jetscreamer | wtf... apt-get install -t unstable linux-source-2.6.22 ... what am i doing wrong |
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| 02:02.30 | jetscreamer | DUH |
| 02:02.36 | jetscreamer | it's not connected... |
| 02:03.07 | Azar | hehe |
| 02:03.22 | Azar | good evening maestro Guerin |
| 02:03.40 | Azar | stoned!! |
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| 02:05.09 | Guerin | fnarr |
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| 02:06.35 | jetscreamer | how so on avg or something, guesstimate, how long does it take for a kernel to make it's way out of sid into lenny |
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| 02:07.45 | Supaplex | !tffs |
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| 02:08.03 | jetscreamer | !ffs |
| 02:08.03 | dpkg | hmm... ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
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| 02:08.14 | Supaplex | 0000bc20 00 32 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 54 72 75 65 46 46 53 |.2.......TrueFFS| |
| 02:08.14 | Supaplex | 0000bc30 20 00 35 31 30 30 00 20 49 6e 73 69 64 65 0a 0d | .5100. Inside..| |
| 02:08.14 | Supaplex | 0000bc40 00 43 6f 70 79 72 69 67 68 74 20 28 43 29 20 4d |.Copyright (C) M| |
| 02:08.40 | jetscreamer | i see hexedit, but what is trueffs |
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| 02:08.45 | Azar | ugly description |
| 02:08.49 | Azar | !trueffs |
| 02:08.57 | Azar | some fonts? |
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| 02:09.25 | Supaplex | I think it's some flashbased file system |
| 02:09.44 | Supaplex | i'm trying to pick appart what's left of my diskonchip image |
| 02:10.24 | Azar | copy/paste The TrueFFS wear-leveling mechanism extends the lifetime of flash devices |
| 02:10.48 | pipeline | Sounds really worthless, given the lifetime of flash devices. |
| 02:10.58 | pipeline | In this day and age, your typical flash device will outlive your hard drive :) |
| 02:11.08 | Azar | http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/T/TrueFFS.html |
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| 02:11.46 | pipeline | I guess flash filesystems could be a *little* useful on an embedded device whose flash lacked wear levelling |
| 02:11.57 | jetscreamer | ok! a pIII 700 compiling 2.6.21!!! |
| 02:12.00 | pipeline | but even then, it would be non-vital. Flash chips themselves are much more durable than at one time. |
| 02:12.06 | jetscreamer | it's 2112 :) |
| 02:12.17 | Azar | uh? |
| 02:12.26 | jetscreamer | the time is 2112 |
| 02:12.31 | jetscreamer | rush? |
| 02:12.35 | pipeline | it's rush-o-clock |
| 02:12.39 | Azar | hehe 09:12pm |
| 02:13.10 | Azar | jetscreamer: I thought that was your year |
| 02:13.57 | Azar | how antic! bash-2.05$ cat README | less <ENTER> |
| 02:13.58 | xingu | pipeline: they're still order of 10k rewrites to a single cell though yes? |
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| 02:15.44 | xingu | pipeline: so something braindamaged like say fat updates during business as usual file append, or paging activity will clobber one quickly eough? |
| 02:16.14 | xingu | ie even with wear levelling |
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| 02:20.07 | sigp239 | How do I install Nvidia 3D on lenny? |
| 02:20.23 | jetscreamer | trick question with a few answers |
| 02:20.44 | jetscreamer | usually m-a a-i nvidia 'should' be all you need |
| 02:20.58 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.39 | sigp239 | someone told me that the kernel in testing does not work with nvidia 3d driver |
| 02:21.48 | sigp239 | or there is some step i need to follow to get it working |
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| 02:21.54 | Guerin | sigp239: suck and see |
| 02:22.40 | jetscreamer | sigp239: it probably doesn't |
| 02:23.03 | jetscreamer | sigp239: you could recompile the kernel, disabling the paravirt_ops |
| 02:23.12 | sigp239 | no thank you |
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| 02:23.16 | jetscreamer | sigp239: or you could run 2.6.22 (it's in sid not lenny) |
| 02:23.17 | asg | Guerin: NP: Suck it and See -- Grim Reaper |
| 02:23.35 | Guerin | asg: the 1980s want their naff met'l back |
| 02:23.40 | jetscreamer | sigp239: or you could run 2.6.18 until .22 hits lenny |
| 02:24.10 | asg | Guerin: indeed |
| 02:24.11 | sigp239 | or I could run .22 ? |
| 02:24.14 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 02:24.22 | jetscreamer | but it's in sid not yet in lenny |
| 02:24.40 | jetscreamer | works fine with .22 btw |
| 02:25.00 | sigp239 | jetscreamer: you mean that nvidia 3d works fine with .22 ? |
| 02:25.04 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 02:25.15 | jetscreamer | the de-gpl-only'd the paravirt ops |
| 02:25.20 | jetscreamer | so it works |
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| 02:25.32 | jetscreamer | (i believe that's what they did) |
| 02:25.37 | sigp239 | would this work? |
| 02:25.38 | sigp239 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.49 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 02:26.03 | jetscreamer | you don't want to go sid just for that.. unless you just want to go sid |
| 02:26.12 | sigp239 | no i don't want to go to sid. |
| 02:26.16 | sigp239 | i just want to install nvidia 3d |
| 02:26.20 | sigp239 | and keep everything else testing |
| 02:26.39 | sigp239 | so whatever is the absolute minimal i need in order to accomplish getting nvidia 3d, that's what I want |
| 02:26.41 | Supaplex | !pinning |
| 02:26.42 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 02:26.47 | jetscreamer | ah... ok now that i read it it looks like it would work |
| 02:26.56 | jetscreamer | but not sure |
| 02:27.12 | metbsd | using backport is just a mess |
| 02:27.16 | jetscreamer | apt-get -t unstable install linux-image-2.6.22-2-k7 or whatever maybe |
| 02:27.27 | jetscreamer | who wants to backport from sid to testing though |
| 02:27.30 | jetscreamer | stable sure |
| 02:27.50 | sigp239 | so i should install the stable kernel instead? |
| 02:28.10 | jetscreamer | no i meant i can see creating backports for the stable flavor, but not for testing |
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| 02:28.43 | jetscreamer | !info linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 lenny |
| 02:29.08 | seria-mau_ | are there any qt counterparts for zenity? i did a short apt-cache search dialog, but nothing showed up |
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| 02:30.46 | jetscreamer | btw recompiling the kernel is trivial |
| 02:30.54 | sigp239 | so is there a guide for installing nvidia3D on lenny yet? |
| 02:31.01 | jetscreamer | i just guided you |
| 02:31.06 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 02:31.08 | jetscreamer | or :/ |
| 02:31.25 | jetscreamer | .22 will be in lenny soon |
| 02:31.28 | jetscreamer | not sure how long |
| 02:31.40 | jetscreamer | i just ask what an avg time is for a kernel but 'nobody knew' |
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| 02:31.54 | jetscreamer | s/ask/asked/ |
| 02:31.56 | mmmmmm | avg time for kernel? |
| 02:32.07 | jetscreamer | to go from sid to lenny |
| 02:32.35 | jetscreamer | [21.06.51] <jetscreamer> how so on avg or something, guesstimate, how long does it take for a kernel to make it's way out of sid into lenny |
| 02:33.00 | JuanCraft | Hi, sorry a question... how is the best way that u guys know about get info about how the package are config? |
| 02:33.00 | jetscreamer | i'm recompiling .21 |
| 02:33.12 | jetscreamer | less blah.conf |
| 02:33.47 | wever | I have xfce4 and every time I start x, two terminal sessions are auto launched. There is nothing in the autostart file. Any ideas? |
| 02:33.47 | mmmmmm | first you check rc.d script of the package |
| 02:33.56 | mmmmmm | then you check its conf file |
| 02:34.35 | Guerin | wever: session manager? |
| 02:34.55 | Azar | JuanCraft: your question is not clear... don't understand it |
| 02:35.00 | JuanCraft | OK |
| 02:35.06 | wever | Guerin, how do I check that? |
| 02:35.11 | Guerin | wever: dunno. |
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| 02:35.28 | Azar | jetscreamer: just for the kicks? |
| 02:36.07 | sigp239 | why isn't .22 showing up? |
| 02:36.15 | jetscreamer | sigp239: it's not in lenny |
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| 02:36.25 | Azar | sigp239: because is not for the version you are using |
| 02:36.30 | ch40t1x_ | anyone know anything about Xebian? |
| 02:36.39 | jetscreamer | apt-get -t unstable install linux-image-2.6.22-2-k7 or whatever maybe |
| 02:36.43 | JuanCraft | Azar, Ok, In some other distros... u have to make everything...compile config... everthing. and u know where is evething paths, config files things like that. |
| 02:36.52 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 02:37.04 | sigp239 | jetscreamer: but I added deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main and deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main to my sources.list |
| 02:37.06 | jetscreamer | check the debian new maintainer's guide on debian.org or so |
| 02:37.18 | Azar | JuanCraft: in Debian, you do not need compile much.... most packages are precompiled for you to install |
| 02:37.24 | jetscreamer | sigp239: did you do apt-get update ? |
| 02:37.30 | JuanCraft | Azar, now... in example PHP with aptitude is easy to install and config... everthing.. |
| 02:37.36 | sigp239 | jetscreamer: yes I did |
| 02:37.51 | JuanCraft | Azar, that's what I mean... |
| 02:37.57 | jetscreamer | sigp239: then you may have to do the apt-pinning thing also |
| 02:38.02 | jetscreamer | !pinning |
| 02:38.03 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 02:38.09 | JuanCraft | Azar, where is evething???... |
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| 02:38.12 | mmmmmm | but i don't understand why debian make exim4 conf file dynamic |
| 02:38.16 | sigp239 | argh |
| 02:38.19 | Azar | JuanCraft: I do not know about PHP stuff, maybe that software requires some configuration after install. To configure use dpkg-reconfigure <packagename> |
| 02:38.31 | jetscreamer | sigp239: or you could comment out the testing lines, only do apt-get install linux-image-2.6.22-whatever, then uncomment them |
| 02:38.35 | JuanCraft | Azar, no... in general... |
| 02:38.48 | jetscreamer | but that's a hack |
| 02:38.57 | mmmmmm | debian exim4 config file changes based on the config file template, why is it designed that way? what's debian developer thinking |
| 02:39.07 | Azar | JuanCraft: packages are in the repository that belong to your Debian version: apt looks for them there. To find out about a package: apt-cache search <packagename> |
| 02:39.14 | JuanCraft | Azar, when u install something in redhat (i.e.) u have to do everything so, u know where is everthing. |
| 02:39.35 | teksimian | hi, .. I installed a xen image, and xen-hypervisor. but they get a PAE mismatch when trying to boot. |
| 02:40.02 | cast | the debian pkgs are all PAE enabled, so you can't run a non-PAE kernel |
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| 02:40.24 | Azar | JuanCraft: in your /etc/apt/sources.list apt looks to see "where" to look for your packages. If your sources say: "stable" or "etch"... apt will go to those repositories and search for a package. If is not there, you will not see it |
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| 02:40.57 | teksimian | cast; why would they have 2 mismatching packages then? |
| 02:41.01 | JuanCraft | Azar, ok fine... but... sometime there are tools, that can make u easyer to config stuff.. .my question is... how is possible to know what can help me (In a good way not just looking with find / -iname package) |
| 02:41.25 | sigp239 | jetscreamer: I commented out the 2 testing lines in my sources.list, and now the .22 kernel is showing up |
| 02:41.34 | cast | teksimian: they don't, you are booting the correct kernel with xen right? |
| 02:41.35 | JuanCraft | Azar, is fine... I understand those things... |
| 02:41.38 | Azar | JuanCraft: dpkg-reconfigure <package> as in: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 02:41.39 | jetscreamer | mmmmmm: might have something to do with being able to split the exim4-config up into many files... not sure but sounds reasonable |
| 02:41.53 | JuanCraft | Azar, is fine... "listen" |
| 02:41.59 | teksimian | cast; i installed xen-hypervisor, and a xen enabled kernel, and they mismatch. |
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| 02:42.25 | JuanCraft | Azar, how is possible to execute a command if u dont know that it exist??? |
| 02:42.29 | mmmmmm | jetscreamer, i don't see how reasonable that is, it just makes exim4 weird in debian |
| 02:42.32 | jetscreamer | and that would let a huge company with many mailservers perhaps configure base configurations and let the on site guy fix stuff up individually |
| 02:42.40 | jetscreamer | mmmmmm: no idea, i'm just guessing |
| 02:42.43 | Azar | JuanCraft: some packages come with their own .conf file... to be manually worked on. Some use the Debian's dpkg-reconfigure configuration tool |
| 02:43.01 | sigp239 | is kernel .22 still in unstable or is it being moved to testing right now? |
| 02:43.07 | jetscreamer | it's in sid |
| 02:43.08 | Guerin | JuanCraft: the best way you can go about learning a new skill is to use the new skill as much as possible |
| 02:43.10 | jetscreamer | it's not in lenny |
| 02:43.16 | jetscreamer | atm |
| 02:43.20 | Azar | JuanCraft: you just type the command. If it tells you it does not exist, you _install_ it |
| 02:43.34 | JuanCraft | Azar, mi question is about, how is possible to me to know that even whe man "command" not tell me anything about it |
| 02:43.37 | cast | teksimian: what's grub's xen boot line? [worth checking] |
| 02:43.55 | Guerin | JuanCraft: lurk in #debian |
| 02:44.00 | Azar | JuanCraft: if man does not find it, is because you did not install it. |
| 02:44.07 | Guerin | JuanCraft: you'll soon be an expert, like Azar |
| 02:44.17 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 02:44.26 | jetscreamer | !congratulate azar |
| 02:44.26 | dpkg | Good show azar, you did it! |
| 02:44.34 | Guerin | Azar: his point is that he can't know what manual to read if he doesn't know what software there exists to read about |
| 02:44.35 | JuanCraft | Azar, exactly, but... how are u gonna look for something that u dont have idea... |
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| 02:44.43 | Azar | say you do not have (for example) "less" installed. man less = does turn nothing or tells you it does not exist. aptitude install less :) |
| 02:44.45 | jetscreamer | you find out the hard way |
| 02:44.51 | Guerin | this is a plain old information asymmetry problem - he doesn't know what he doesn't know |
| 02:45.01 | Guerin | the only cure for it is exposure |
| 02:45.13 | jetscreamer | ^^ what i said |
| 02:45.18 | sigp239 | I don't see linux-image-2.6.22 in sid at all |
| 02:45.20 | Azar | JuanCraft: I will give you some links easy to read and practice.. |
| 02:45.20 | Guerin | and so I say ... hang in #debian |
| 02:45.21 | Guerin | that' |
| 02:45.24 | JuanCraft | Azar, I mean... is a pain in the ass to me to install something and just dont know where are all the config files and all the thing that I install... |
| 02:45.30 | Guerin | s what I did when I was a rank newbie |
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| 02:45.42 | Guerin | hell, i think the first thing which happened to me is that abrotman told me !enter |
| 02:45.45 | jetscreamer | linux-image-2.6.22-1-k7 - Linux 2.6.22 image on AMD K7 |
| 02:45.50 | jetscreamer | you don't look well |
| 02:45.54 | jetscreamer | look harder |
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| 02:46.03 | Guerin | JuanCraft: all config files live in /etc |
| 02:46.06 | sigp239 | I just did an apt-cache search linux-image |
| 02:46.06 | Azar | JuanCraft: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html general commands practice |
| 02:46.08 | sigp239 | there is no .22 |
| 02:46.11 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 02:46.19 | jetscreamer | your sources.list is borked perhaps |
| 02:46.32 | JuanCraft | Azar, I read alll ready the debian reference... :S |
| 02:46.34 | teksimian | cast; defines the kernel to /boot/xen-3.... module /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18... ro, root dev console, an a initrt |
| 02:46.39 | jetscreamer | !info linux-image-2.6.22-2-k7 |
| 02:46.45 | Azar | JuanCraft: apt and dpkg: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/12/concise-apt-get-dpkg-primer-for-new.html |
| 02:46.46 | freight_ | JuanCraft: apropos is your friend for finding things that you don't know exist |
| 02:46.47 | jetscreamer | err |
| 02:46.51 | jetscreamer | !info linux-image-2.6.22-1-k7 |
| 02:46.57 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.22-1-k7: (Linux 2.6.22 image on AMD K7), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.22-2 (sid), Packaged size: 17958 kB, Installed size: 52580 kB |
| 02:46.58 | JuanCraft | Azar, I think is kind of hard to explain what I mean. |
| 02:46.59 | Azar | JuanCraft: you read, but you never practiced to SEE how the commands work |
| 02:47.16 | Azar | JuanCraft: I guess so, do you speak spanish? |
| 02:47.20 | abrotman | Guerin: you still haven't learned! |
| 02:47.21 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:47.24 | teksimian | cast; theres pae xen packages and packages that done have pae for xen. |
| 02:47.29 | jetscreamer | /join #debian-es |
| 02:47.43 | Azar | jetscreamer: hold on we don't know if he speaks spanish |
| 02:47.44 | cast | teksimian: not in stable there's not |
| 02:48.04 | jetscreamer | Azar: i don't speak spanish, yet i'm in #debian-es.. :) |
| 02:48.08 | JuanCraft | Azar, well yes... I know I suck! (english) |
| 02:48.12 | jetscreamer | well not very well |
| 02:48.36 | sigp239 | why don't i see .22 in sid |
| 02:48.37 | Azar | JuanCraft: I am trying my hard to understand what you need, but I can't, try #debian-es |
| 02:48.46 | freight_ | couple of glasses of quadruple bock and I"m feeling all mellow... niiiiiiccceee |
| 02:48.58 | Guerin | abrotman: nope, still haven't |
| 02:49.04 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:49.28 | Azar | abrotman: turn on the TV I bring fresh hot popcorn |
| 02:49.29 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 02:49.33 | JuanCraft | Azar, yeap man tnx so much! |
| 02:49.38 | Guerin | thanks, John Lee! |
| 02:49.38 | jetscreamer | sigp239: must be a borked sources.list imo, only thing it could be i think |
| 02:49.42 | freight_ | one of each! |
| 02:49.42 | JuanCraft | Azar, but look... |
| 02:49.51 | teksimian | cast; i tried on a different machine, installed the pae version of xen and it worked. |
| 02:49.57 | jetscreamer | Guerin: just have one bourbon one scotch and one beer |
| 02:50.00 | abrotman | Azar: i'm already watching a movie |
| 02:50.05 | Guerin | freight_: just one of many things we have the old bluesmen to thank for. |
| 02:50.20 | jetscreamer | i like george's version better |
| 02:50.23 | Azar | abrotman: I was feeling like you are doing so |
| 02:50.24 | cast | teksimian: so what was that grub line, unabreviated |
| 02:50.34 | Guerin | jetscreamer: i think you mean `one boybon, one scawtch, an' one beeah' |
| 02:50.46 | Azar | Guerin: hahahahaha |
| 02:50.58 | Guerin | jetscreamer: george who? |
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| 02:51.21 | Guerin | thorogood? |
| 02:51.29 | jetscreamer | thurowgood or however you spell it yeah |
| 02:51.36 | JuanCraft | Azar, my point is this... (i.e.) If u install apache (i.e.) and u read man apache it doesnt say anything about (apache config command) just change the httpd config file... |
| 02:51.54 | Guerin | mm, well, at least that's better than jon spencer |
| 02:52.10 | Azar | JuanCraft: I guess reading the appache documentation from their site could be more clear.... |
| 02:52.12 | Guerin | one of my pet hates is preppy white-boys who try to pretend they're bluesmen |
| 02:52.36 | Azar | JuanCraft: I never installed/used apache so hmmm sorry don't know what to tell you |
| 02:52.43 | jetscreamer | you must mean the ones who've never been blue... |
| 02:52.44 | JuanCraft | Azar, anyway... thank you so much for your time!... ;) |
| 02:52.53 | Azar | JuanCraft: con gusto |
| 02:52.59 | JuanCraft | Azar, lol |
| 02:53.03 | jetscreamer | poco dinero! |
| 02:53.03 | abrotman | Guerin: you love the kid .. what is his damn name |
| 02:53.03 | Azar | :D |
| 02:53.07 | Guerin | jetscreamer: eric crapton is another |
| 02:53.10 | abrotman | jonny lang |
| 02:53.17 | Guerin | abrotman: never heard of him |
| 02:53.19 | JuanCraft | w are u from? |
| 02:53.20 | abrotman | really? |
| 02:53.28 | jetscreamer | hey another person who doesn't care for clapton |
| 02:53.33 | Azar | JuanCraft: Los Angeles |
| 02:53.41 | jetscreamer | i like clapton in creme though.. or was it cream |
| 02:53.44 | abrotman | Guerin: clapton is damn good compared to some of the other crap |
| 02:53.47 | Guerin | jetscreamer: i have a lot of time for Cream, but ... yeah |
| 02:53.54 | Azar | Buddy Guy rocks! |
| 02:54.01 | JuanCraft | Azar, is that bad my english? how u know about spanish? (juancraft??) |
| 02:54.06 | abrotman | Guerin: did you listen to Me & Mr Johnson ? |
| 02:54.10 | abrotman | !es |
| 02:54.10 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:54.11 | jetscreamer | the juan gave it away |
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| 02:54.21 | jetscreamer | plus you're in #debian-es |
| 02:54.28 | Azar | JuanCraft: your english is "elevated" but you can learn more... keep irc-ing :) |
| 02:54.28 | martianixor | guys is there a problem with php5 apache2? |
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| 02:54.35 | JuanCraft | Azar, ok cool man tnx! |
| 02:54.37 | JuanCraft | cya |
| 02:54.37 | Guerin | abrotman: yes, you're right. But that don't make him good compared to RL, Buddy, Steakbone, lighning (Hopkins or Slim) ... any of the real bluesmen |
| 02:54.47 | Azar | JuanCraft: b/noches |
| 02:54.48 | jetscreamer | abrotman: the more help is problematical... the help in your language isn't |
| 02:54.56 | abrotman | i don't really care for buddy |
| 02:54.57 | Guerin | Azar: yes, Me & mr Johnson is pretty good |
| 02:55.02 | abrotman | i far prefer delta blues |
| 02:55.02 | Guerin | abrotman: â |
| 02:55.03 | freight_ | Clapton != blues |
| 02:55.15 | abrotman | freight_: bullshit .. you need to listen to more of it |
| 02:55.28 | Guerin | abrotman: i'm on a huge Burnside thing recently |
| 02:55.37 | abrotman | Guerin: no Son House ? |
| 02:55.42 | freight_ | Leadbelly, muddy waters, |
| 02:55.46 | jetscreamer | clapton paid to kil jimi |
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| 02:56.04 | Guerin | abrotman: oh yeah, son house, leadbelly too. Blind Willie. |
| 02:56.15 | abrotman | blind lemon ? |
| 02:56.19 | Guerin | the poor quality of the recordings is very frustrating though |
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| 02:56.39 | sigp239 | do I install this kernel for an intel core 2 duo? linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 |
| 02:56.48 | teksimian | cast; i dont see just one line, what do you want me to do to grubs boot menu to retrieve the information? |
| 02:56.52 | abrotman | sigp239: should be fine |
| 02:56.52 | _tcc | I don't understand what is wrong with my external drive. |
| 02:56.57 | _tcc | I cannot format it as ext3. |
| 02:57.09 | _tcc | I try using gparted but the format takes so long. |
| 02:57.16 | jetscreamer | ext3 sucks anyway imo |
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| 02:57.33 | jetscreamer | not really, but more than others |
| 02:57.34 | _tcc | The format never completes. |
| 02:58.01 | zoidy | is there a way I can see how much traffic there is on port 80 from the command-line, but without a program that uses ncurses or something like that |
| 02:58.02 | Guerin | abrotman: yeah, blind lemon is awesome |
| 02:58.57 | teksimian | cast; http://xs217.xs.to/xs217/07300/xen-screen.jpeg |
| 02:58.58 | _tcc | I don't understand why it won't format. |
| 02:58.58 | abrotman | and memphis minnie |
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| 02:59.24 | freight_ | Wow, one we forgot to mention, Ralph Stanley |
| 02:59.31 | Guerin | abrotman: did i show you that Big Mama Thornton cut of Hound DOg? |
| 02:59.34 | abrotman | yep |
| 02:59.43 | Guerin | gawdamn I love that piece |
| 03:00.17 | abrotman | freight_: there are dozens/hundreds of artists to name .. |
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| 03:00.50 | teksimian | cast; http://xs317.xs.to/xs317/07300/xen-panic.jpeg |
| 03:01.00 | Guerin | thing I like most about burnside is that he's a technician - they guy's playing is machine-like |
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| 03:01.20 | ryanCH | please help, when i press a key a different character gets put, is there any way i could reset the keyboard map without rebooting??? |
| 03:02.05 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 03:02.05 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once) |
| 03:02.23 | cast | teksimian: lol. the line would have been in /boot/grub/menu.list |
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| 03:02.35 | cast | teksimian: so the hypervisor is not pae then, but the kernel is |
| 03:02.55 | freight_ | All I know is my daughter is addicted to Appalacian music, Bluegrass, Irish fiddle and the Cowboy Junkies. I'm so proud! |
| 03:03.21 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:03.21 | abrotman | that's appalachian ? |
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| 03:03.21 | freight_ | Na, Na, all of those. |
| 03:03.21 | abrotman | oh .. it's a list :) |
| 03:03.30 | kameron | how do i boot to a usb pen drive? i don't have an option in my bios. is it possible |
| 03:03.31 | kameron | ? |
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| 03:03.36 | jotham | hi |
| 03:03.41 | Guerin | kameron: not without that bios option |
| 03:03.56 | kameron | ah, so if the board doesn't support it, it's not happening Guerin ? |
| 03:04.09 | jotham | i am getting this error when running 'apt-get update' and not sure what is up W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: ... W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 03:04.10 | cast | teksimian: this is etch right? |
| 03:04.11 | jetscreamer | maybe with smart boot manager |
| 03:04.15 | jotham | i want to migrate from sarge to etch |
| 03:04.15 | jetscreamer | but do you have a floppy? |
| 03:04.23 | jetscreamer | !sarge->etch |
| 03:04.23 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. also ask me about <security> |
| 03:04.24 | Supaplex | class "rtl8139" { match if substring (hardware, 1, 8) = "00:e0:c5"; } isn't right, is it? :) |
| 03:04.26 | cast | !tell jotham about apt-key |
| 03:04.26 | Guerin | kameron: pretty much. If you get a cd or floppy which allows a jump-off boot it might be doable |
| 03:04.35 | Supaplex | for dhcpd.conf |
| 03:04.36 | freight_ | time for more tasty beverages.. brb. |
| 03:04.40 | jotham | thanks |
| 03:04.43 | teksimian | cast; yeah, tho i needed to add unstable repo for a couple packages that werent in stable. |
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| 03:04.51 | jetscreamer | 8139too is used more commonly but i have no idea what you said, Supaplex |
| 03:04.52 | teksimian | cast; xen might be coming from unstable. |
| 03:04.56 | kameron | Guerin, cd is out. do you know of a floppy to do such a thing? |
| 03:05.12 | Guerin | kameron: i know that morphix used to distribute one. |
| 03:05.32 | jetscreamer | kameron: smart boot manager does i believe |
| 03:05.49 | kameron | thanks Guerin and jetscreamer |
| 03:05.50 | jetscreamer | #morphix btw |
| 03:05.53 | Guerin | kameron: it would boot into a menu where you could choose what device to boot from |
| 03:05.56 | Guerin | worth a crack |
| 03:05.59 | cast | teksimian: i'm not sure how wise it is to mix unstable and stable, but at any rate. grabbing a non-pae kernel or a pae hypervisor will fix your problem, i don't know what the deal with is with non-pae and unstable |
| 03:06.06 | kameron | Guerin, sounds good. |
| 03:06.09 | jetscreamer | thank god for a semi-modern bios |
| 03:06.20 | jetscreamer | check for bios update maybe |
| 03:06.34 | Azar | Supaplex: is that damn ...too module |
| 03:06.48 | cast | teksimian: probably just have to grab xen-hypervisor-3.0.3-1-i386-pae me thinks |
| 03:07.40 | teksimian | cast; yeah that would fix it. tho there are kernels with -bigmem, and ones without. is pae == bigmem? |
| 03:08.27 | cast | teksimian: i was aroung about non-pae in etch...there are pae and non-pae options in i386, just seems for myself [amd64] there's only one option :\ |
| 03:08.36 | Red_Cloud | I have just this minute installed debian stable using the netinstall. I have opened up my browser and want to install TOR. I cannot find the TOR package in the package manager so I go to the website. There it says to simply "apt-get install tor". I open a console and execute that command and get the return "Package tor is not available, but is referred to by another package." What gives? |
| 03:09.02 | cast | does anyone know if that one option is with or without pae? pae seems silly when your memory address space is a already 40bit |
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| 03:09.21 | freight_ | that's just... wierd.. all yesterday and today, my network was going @ 2MB/s on a 100Mb line.. I"m thinking I've got something set to half duplex, or somewhat.. now, we're cranking along @ 9MB/s.. and I've changed /nothing/. |
| 03:09.44 | Supaplex | I'm not talking about linux modules, I'm talking about dhcpd.conf. I'm trying to match clients with 00:e0:c5 as the first half of their mac address, assigned to a dhcp 'class' |
| 03:11.22 | Azar | Supaplex: ah.. |
| 03:11.28 | teksimian | cast; o grabbed the pae version. it works. but now i get tons of annoying 4gb fixup messages. |
| 03:11.34 | teksimian | *i |
| 03:12.19 | teksimian | cast; i never used to get these pae messages before installing xen. |
| 03:12.24 | Azar | Red_Cloud: maybe TOR is not in the Debian stable repositories, find something similar within the Debian stable |
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| 03:12.47 | Guerin | Azar: nothing is really similar to TOR |
| 03:13.00 | Guerin | !tor |
| 03:13.00 | dpkg | tor is probably a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see http://tor.eff.org/ or not allowed on #debian, see http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor, or not in etch, see http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorOnDebian |
| 03:13.05 | Azar | Guerin: we have it but is in unstable |
| 03:13.09 | Guerin | Red_Cloud: â |
| 03:13.26 | Guerin | Azar: upstream maintains good debian packages |
| 03:14.26 | Azar | Red_Cloud: check this comment: " I installed the stable Tor Debian package which ran fine for a while until it consumed all CPU on my system..." :D still want it? |
| 03:14.39 | Guerin | tor does that |
| 03:14.45 | Azar | Red_Cloud: besides, TOR will SLOW down your browsing experience |
| 03:14.52 | Guerin | it's just How Life Is |
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| 03:15.22 | Supaplex | http://openvpn.net/archive/openvpn-users/2003-08/msg00081.html ouuuu |
| 03:16.36 | jotham | !apt-key |
| 03:16.52 | Red_Cloud | Azar I am very familiar with TOR/Privoxy and like it very much. |
| 03:18.08 | Azar | Red_Cloud: in any case, you should check the website of this software, it has nothing to do with Debian... read the links above given by dpkg |
| 03:19.24 | Red_Cloud | Azar then one should familiarize himself with ICE and Homeland Security. Not citizen friendly. |
| 03:19.45 | seria-mau_ | i playing around with powertop a bit, and it suggests to disable polling of my cdrom from hal. however, i couldnt find the tool hal-disable-polling to achieve nor do i look through this hal configuration in xml |
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| 03:20.03 | seria-mau_ | how can i disable this polling mode of hal? |
| 03:20.14 | Azar | Red_Cloud: what I ment is that proxies and anonymizers are ok to use on a "terminal" like a webtv box, not a PC... payload crapola and superspyware .. |
| 03:20.37 | Guerin | i am very much in favour of the `encrypt everything' principle |
| 03:20.52 | Guerin | all hard drives, all swap and storage, all communications |
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| 03:20.59 | kameron | Guerin, have you used smart boot manager before? it's not detecting my usb drive. |
| 03:21.11 | Azar | Guerin: yes yes.... home cooked encription is better than "some web application" |
| 03:21.22 | kameron | Guerin, i reinstalled the mbr for the usb stick. maybe it needs a driver? |
| 03:21.29 | Red_Cloud | I have searched the install instructions on the website for TOR and it says that requirement is libevent which is also not in the debian packages. |
| 03:21.35 | Guerin | Azar: TOR is not some `web application', TOR is the electronic frontier foundation's own anonymiser |
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| 03:21.52 | freight_ | Guerin: only problem is then I have to teach a bunch of people how to use *gp |
| 03:21.54 | Red_Cloud | Guerin I am aware of that |
| 03:21.54 | Guerin | Red_Cloud: noreply has debian packages for stable - use those |
| 03:22.02 | Guerin | Red_Cloud: i know *you* are. |
| 03:22.02 | cartesian1984 | In what package is update-initrd? |
| 03:22.15 | Guerin | kameron: i've never used smart boot manager |
| 03:22.22 | Azar | Red_Cloud: it is not a mistery that govts and fed agencies are behind such programs, which regular users are told they are "safe, private and secure" :) |
| 03:22.23 | ryanCH | does WINE not like windows MSI files very much or what ;p |
| 03:22.42 | Guerin | cartesian1984: /msg dpkg search |
| 03:22.50 | cartesian1984 | Guerin: forgot that, thanks. |
| 03:23.03 | Red_Cloud | Azar you are right and you should see the amount of security extensions that I have loaded on FireFox |
| 03:23.17 | freight_ | me2 |
| 03:23.18 | Azar | Guerin: I did not know is EFF's baby, but in any case I prefer not to use any |
| 03:23.40 | Azar | Red_Cloud: oh ok... myself I don't use any extensions or plugins... |
| 03:24.27 | Guerin | Azar: well ... you needn't use it. But your lack of knowledge is no reason to belittle it; tor is a great tool. |
| 03:24.30 | Red_Cloud | Azar also I would like to find out why the Mozilla browser has been renamed "IceWeasel". Is it a comment about ICE? |
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| 03:25.01 | Guerin | Red_Cloud: no, it's because Mozilla foundation insist on being able to certify anything containing their trade marks |
| 03:25.03 | Azar | Red_Cloud: penis envy from mozilla, we just changed the name, is the same application |
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| 03:25.25 | Guerin | Red_Cloud: debian is not prepared to cede that authority to mozilla corporation, so they (and others) changed the name |
| 03:25.37 | Red_Cloud | Guerin OK |
| 03:25.41 | abrotman | Azar: at least tell the truth |
| 03:25.58 | Azar | abrotman: thanks to Guerin now I know the truth |
| 03:26.06 | freight_ | it's vagina envy?/??? |
| 03:26.14 | Guerin | Azar: since you didn't before, why were you even talking? |
| 03:26.21 | abrotman | Azar: you do ? |
| 03:26.21 | Guerin | just STFU if you don't know anything |
| 03:26.39 | Azar | Guerin: how else make you teach me? |
| 03:26.43 | kameron | Guerin, it seems that sbm relys on bios information for devices. so it redundantly can't boot to a usb drive if my bios doesn't support it. |
| 03:26.51 | Guerin | kameron: ah, well. |
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| 03:27.20 | ryanCH | what is the command that allows you to change your video settings/video card type under the console? |
| 03:27.37 | abrotman | xrandr |
| 03:28.02 | freight_ | S |
| 03:28.05 | freight_ | whoops |
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| 03:28.58 | n3kl | Is the turion a k7 or k8? |
| 03:29.15 | Guerin | n3kl: yes. |
| 03:29.17 | Guerin | ;) |
| 03:29.20 | cast | n3kl: wikipedia |
| 03:29.54 | n3kl | I am compiling the kernel for a single core turion, but I am not sure if its generic or k8 |
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| 03:30.42 | Azar | 64 Studio 2.0 'Electric' released :) |
| 03:30.56 | freight_ | what's that? |
| 03:31.09 | Azar | http://linuxpr.com/releases/9897.html |
| 03:31.14 | cartesian1984 | Guerin: hrm, it didn't find update-initrd. Could it be something else now? |
| 03:31.32 | Azar | freight_: k8 is 64bit |
| 03:31.34 | ryanCH | abrotman: isn't there some XF86 command aswell??? |
| 03:31.49 | Guerin | cartesian1984: dunno. |
| 03:31.51 | abrotman | are you stuill using xfree ? |
| 03:31.52 | n3kl | ah, k7 is 32bit? |
| 03:32.01 | Azar | n3kl: yes |
| 03:32.03 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 03:32.03 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 03:33.16 | sigp239 | why is there no "Module" section in the xorg.conf for lenny? |
| 03:34.00 | cast | sigp239: had to save on bits, price of oil is driving their cost up |
| 03:34.08 | Guerin | heh |
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| 03:36.25 | freight_ | Ok, I love e17. I've been using e for ... 6 years now, and 17 for 3 years, maybe longer, as long as it's been in beta. Should I even bother with Beryl? |
| 03:36.48 | cast | nope. |
| 03:37.04 | cast | i like e16 more than 17 atm though, due to the compositingness |
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| 03:37.49 | freight_ | I always like when someone gives me the answer I want to hear.. takes all fo the guess work out of it. :) |
| 03:38.17 | cast | not that i've ever used beryl....i'm just tired of people asking for help with it |
| 03:39.17 | abrotman | oh there's a nice objective opinion :) |
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| 03:40.48 | freight_ | So, anyoen else want to weigh in since it's relatively quiet? |
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| 03:44.22 | abrotman | freight_: why not try it if you're interested ? |
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| 03:47.34 | stoned | well |
| 03:47.39 | stoned | its an opinion |
| 03:47.49 | stoned | just my two cents |
| 03:47.58 | stoned | I think beryl is nice |
| 03:48.00 | jetscreamer | woohoo! [22.47.59] <bottu> jetscreamer: I have been running for 9 weeks, 6 days, 1 hour, 8 minutes, and 25 seconds. |
| 03:48.18 | stoned | if you want effects of that sort, thats to get. if you don't like those cool effects, then don't get it |
| 03:48.29 | stoned | other than that, its just another window manager that can be fully configured |
| 03:48.29 | jetscreamer | hey stoned i can kil your account eh |
| 03:48.33 | stoned | no |
| 03:48.35 | stoned | don't |
| 03:48.38 | stoned | why? |
| 03:48.40 | stoned | ok |
| 03:48.43 | jetscreamer | k |
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| 03:49.03 | stoned | Iwas gonna use it here one of these days |
| 03:49.08 | jetscreamer | k |
| 03:49.32 | stoned | if it is in the way in anyway, kill it |
| 03:49.42 | stoned | freight_: you around |
| 03:49.43 | jetscreamer | it's not just if you're not using it |
| 03:49.50 | jetscreamer | or not gonna |
| 03:50.40 | stoned | !beryl |
| 03:50.40 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager) |
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| 03:50.49 | stoned | hmm |
| 03:50.52 | jetscreamer | s/not/not,/ |
| 03:50.58 | freight_ | Ok, I just watched a video of it in action, and it's cool as hell looking, but I have 4 virtual screens tied to alt keys, and unless i"m surfing or writing a document, I'm in Eterms.. I don't see anything there I need. Some eye candy, but I like spartan or understated. |
| 03:51.01 | stoned | Ithink beryl is cool I use it |
| 03:51.14 | Webuser | Hi folks. |
| 03:51.32 | stoned | ah yeh well /me takes a bow then |
| 03:51.37 | jetscreamer | Azar: then ask him for a link to his jamming |
| 03:51.51 | jetscreamer | be more impressed |
| 03:51.57 | stoned | heh |
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| 03:52.13 | Erno | Howdy. Debian user here. |
| 03:52.16 | abrotman | uh .. no |
| 03:52.19 | abrotman | Erno: hi .. |
| 03:52.20 | stoned | howdy debian user here too |
| 03:52.22 | Azar | stoned: try something new for a change: http://linuxpr.com/releases/9897.html |
| 03:52.22 | freight_ | Soo... we're wating for a link here stoned...... |
| 03:52.28 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 03:52.29 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 03:52.30 | stoned | freight_: for what? |
| 03:52.35 | Guerin | Erno: oh, i think you want #ubuntu |
| 03:52.41 | jetscreamer | lesee |
| 03:52.57 | stoned | freight_: just get a live cd that has all those effects |
| 03:53.00 | Erno | So I was thinking some about shoe trees. Any of you folks familiar? |
| 03:53.01 | freight_ | stoned: to hear some jam sessions. |
| 03:53.04 | stoned | freight_: just use it check it out |
| 03:53.06 | Azar | hehe that was cool Guerin |
| 03:53.19 | Guerin | Erno: don't the branches and shit make it hard to walk? |
| 03:53.20 | stoned | freight_: oh heh, Ithought you were waiting for a beryl link or something |
| 03:53.29 | abrotman | wtf |
| 03:53.33 | stoned | come to #music and we'll talk all about it |
| 03:53.34 | stoned | fellers |
| 03:53.37 | Erno | It seems to me that putting a large, stiff object into one's fine leather shoes when they are moist with perspiration is a good recipe to STRETCH them. |
| 03:53.45 | Azar | Guerin: me and stoned are sitting in a tree... irc-ing |
| 03:53.51 | stoned | yo man |
| 03:54.06 | Azar | :) right bro |
| 03:54.08 | jetscreamer | he stoned is it ok? |
| 03:54.22 | Erno | However, gentlemen everywhere are telling me that I need to go against my instincts and put the trees in the shoes. |
| 03:54.22 | stoned | jetscreamer: its all good man |
| 03:54.25 | jetscreamer | http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/music/reallynewstuff2.ogg |
| 03:54.28 | acu | how can I make Konqueror play flash - iceweasel shutsdown very often |
| 03:54.35 | Erno | What do you folks think? |
| 03:54.35 | abrotman | have you tried #stoned ? |
| 03:54.39 | stoned | hey i thought you were talking about killing the account |
| 03:54.45 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 03:54.47 | jetscreamer | too late |
| 03:54.55 | stoned | word |
| 03:54.56 | jetscreamer | no i'm not killing it we decided |
| 03:55.04 | abrotman | acu: AFAIK .. should just pick it up |
| 03:55.05 | Guerin | acu: ask #kde |
| 03:55.30 | abrotman | or #debian-kde |
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| 03:56.42 | Erno | Eh? I just joined because I thought your high IQs could think thrugh to the root of the issue to present me with a good, accurate, mostly definitive answer. |
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| 03:56.54 | Guerin | Erno: a common misconception. |
| 03:56.59 | acu | abrotman: what is AFAIK |
| 03:57.06 | jetscreamer | !afaik |
| 03:57.06 | dpkg | from memory, afaik is as far as I know |
| 03:57.07 | Guerin | !afaik |
| 03:57.08 | Azar | Erno: trees in shoes? mannn |
| 03:57.11 | Guerin | damnyou |
| 03:57.12 | jetscreamer | too slow |
| 03:57.22 | jetscreamer | old guys rule |
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| 03:57.56 | Guerin | Erno: the best way to stretch shoes to size is to wear them wet |
| 03:57.56 | kramed | anyone use the cli version of boinc? |
| 03:58.07 | Guerin | !anyone use the cli version of boinc? |
| 03:58.07 | dpkg | No, no one uses the cli version of boinc, not even the people who use it. |
| 03:58.16 | kramed | dont give me that crap |
| 03:58.24 | Guerin | kramed: don't ask us for it, then |
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| 03:58.38 | kramed | give me a break |
| 03:58.44 | Guerin | !break kramed |
| 03:58.48 | scorch999 | elo |
| 03:59.01 | Erno | Guerin, I don't want to stretch shoes. |
| 03:59.05 | Guerin | kramed: ask the question you want answered. |
| 03:59.06 | Erno | I am afraid SHOE TREES will do just that. |
| 03:59.14 | Guerin | Erno: so don't use them. |
| 03:59.17 | scorch999 | anyone in here tried to install Fedora 7 as a VDI using Virtual box on Ubuntu 7.04? |
| 03:59.19 | abrotman | and don't ask here |
| 03:59.21 | punsad | during debian installation, when configuring network card - if the card isn't automatically configured - there's an option to load the driver from a floppy . Question: instead of using a floppy, could I load it from a partition that I manually mount? |
| 03:59.30 | abrotman | scorch999: how is that related to #debian ? |
| 03:59.39 | scorch999 | Ubuntu is a deb deriv. |
| 03:59.47 | abrotman | we don't support derivatives |
| 03:59.53 | scorch999 | fair enough |
| 03:59.55 | Guerin | punsad: i don't see why not. |
| 03:59.55 | jetscreamer | i used to have shoe trees |
| 04:00.09 | scorch999 | just wondered if anyone had some exp with that |
| 04:00.13 | punsad | the reason I ask is because my wifi card needs non-free drivers and I don't have a floppy. I'm planning on storing the module packages on a small partition and then mount it during installation |
| 04:00.13 | abrotman | ask #ubuntu |
| 04:00.15 | Guerin | scorch999: ask #ubuntu |
| 04:00.19 | scorch999 | k |
| 04:00.23 | abrotman | or ##linux maybe |
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| 04:00.38 | abrotman | punsad: unless it automagically looks on /dev/fd0 |
| 04:01.07 | cartesian1984 | Is make-kpkg kernel_image modules_image supposed to build two packages? |
| 04:01.23 | Guerin | cartesian1984: not necessarily. |
| 04:01.29 | punsad | abrotman: I wonder if I could just alt-f2 to a shell, mount the packages and modprobe them and configure it... I don't see why it wouldn't work |
| 04:01.45 | abrotman | punsad: it might |
| 04:02.14 | punsad | one thing would be that I would have to have module packages compatible with the kernel that's used during installation |
| 04:02.14 | Supaplex | this is so weird. every new pxe client I fire up sees 15mb the first time. - but if I power cycle it, it sees the usual 60mb. (4mb shared video) |
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| 04:03.14 | cartesian1984 | Guerin: does it build an initrd by default? |
| 04:03.26 | Guerin | cartesian1984: not without --initrd |
| 04:03.34 | Guerin | cartesian1984: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
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| 04:03.39 | cartesian1984 | Guerin: oh, there's my problem :) |
| 04:04.00 | jetscreamer | you can create an initrd w/o recompiling |
| 04:04.02 | jetscreamer | fyi |
| 04:04.05 | Guerin | yes, indeed |
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| 04:04.58 | seria-mau_ | someone knows how hald gets started? i cant find in in /etc/* |
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| 04:07.10 | abrotman | seria-mau_: my system has a /etc/init.d/hal |
| 04:07.38 | stoned | I'm sure someone knows |
| 04:08.09 | jetscreamer | /etc/init.d maybe |
| 04:08.26 | jetscreamer | see also /msg dpkg runlevel |
| 04:08.26 | seria-mau_ | i grepped all files in /etc for hald |
| 04:08.30 | punsad | seria-mau_: I'm wondering what happens prior to the init scripts during the boot process... I used to know this.... could it be started from the kernel? |
| 04:08.41 | seria-mau_ | maybe |
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| 04:09.03 | jetscreamer | /etc/init.d/hal maybe eh |
| 04:09.09 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 04:09.12 | punsad | seria-mau_: perhaps during module loading |
| 04:09.18 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 04:09.34 | jetscreamer | so you did |
| 04:09.44 | seria-mau_ | system is etch, packages installed are hal and hal-doc. and apt-file list hal |grep init.d doesnt get me anything |
| 04:09.54 | jetscreamer | maybe i should invest in a beer and get totally wasted on booze |
| 04:09.56 | seria-mau_ | and theres no /etc/init.d/hal |
| 04:10.05 | jetscreamer | that would be a beer, as in 1 |
| 04:10.12 | abrotman | dbus-1 folder ? |
| 04:10.12 | seria-mau_ | only halt |
| 04:10.17 | jetscreamer | then you don't have hal ? |
| 04:10.25 | punsad | I dont have /etc/init.d/hal |
| 04:10.52 | abrotman | i do! |
| 04:10.53 | punsad | but when I do ps ax |grep hald - there's a bunch of hald stuff running |
| 04:11.12 | abrotman | it's probably an old file ... |
| 04:11.32 | abrotman | seria-mau_: grep -R hal /etc/* |
| 04:11.34 | seria-mau_ | ok, found it. it's /etc/dbus-1/event.d/20hal . |
| 04:11.39 | abrotman | see! |
| 04:11.44 | seria-mau_ | abrotman: thanks |
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| 04:11.47 | punsad | is /etc/init.d/hal just a link to /usr/sbin/hald ? |
| 04:12.01 | abrotman | i think mine is a leftover .. not sure |
| 04:12.08 | K`zan | Anyone know where debian keeps a list (file) of what packages you have installed? |
| 04:12.26 | abrotman | how you can make one .. or where it is ? |
| 04:12.29 | punsad | K`zan: dpkg -l |
| 04:12.29 | Supaplex | !listvalues get-selections |
| 04:12.31 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'get-selections' by value (4): debian clone ;; list all packages ;; package reselect ;; reinstall. |
| 04:12.38 | seria-mau_ | hmm |
| 04:12.46 | seria-mau_ | what about dpkg --get-selections |grep install ? |
| 04:12.55 | K`zan | punsad: I can't do that, it is another debian installation that is not running. |
| 04:13.01 | Erno | I see the character of a man in the condition of his girlfriends. |
| 04:13.22 | K`zan | I have access to the partition but not the running system. |
| 04:13.23 | Supaplex | K`zan: state files are available, even backups in /var/backups/ would do |
| 04:13.25 | abrotman | K`zan: /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 04:13.45 | K`zan | abrotman: Thanks and thanks to all! |
| 04:14.00 | abrotman | Erno: do you have a debian-related question ? |
| 04:14.27 | Erno | abrotman, Been using Debian for 4 years now. |
| 04:14.32 | Erno | abrotman, Smooth sailing. |
| 04:14.34 | abrotman | good for you |
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| 04:16.53 | Azar | Erno: me too but still pulling abrotman's legs |
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| 04:17.29 | K`zan | Sigh, I just needed package names, guess it will be easier to just boot the other system and run dpkg -l over there to a file and boot back here. |
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| 04:17.48 | abrotman | K`zan: dpkg --get-selections |
| 04:17.51 | Erno | My opinion is that Debian is one of those things so perfect in that in almost all cases it's a purely USER ERROR which drives the question we see here. |
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| 04:18.14 | K`zan | abrotman: Works here but not on the non running system :-). Thanks though. |
| 04:18.22 | abrotman | oh |
| 04:18.23 | Erno | But without that user error, this channel'd be a graveyard. |
| 04:18.41 | Azar | Erno: it all depends of the user's moves to keep a clean and stable Debian running |
| 04:18.59 | abrotman | or in Azar's case .. an archived release |
| 04:19.11 | Azar | :) ouchhhh! that hurts |
| 04:19.25 | Erno | Folks, did you hear of that loser's girlfriend who vacationed to PUERTO RICO in the heat of the summer? |
| 04:19.35 | abrotman | Erno: do you have a debian-related question ? |
| 04:19.57 | Azar | abrotman: I am contemplating to move to Hurd... |
| 04:20.05 | Erno | LULZ. She came back quite literally BURNT TO A CRISP. Meanwhile, the lover and "man" is on here chatting away as per usual. |
| 04:20.20 | Erno | Good night. |
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| 04:24.17 | jetscreamer | so Erno befo u go what are you on |
| 04:24.27 | Azar | hehe |
| 04:24.45 | Azar | he passed-out I guess |
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| 04:27.26 | jetscreamer | my kernel is still compiling on the piii 700 ... since 2112 |
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| 04:28.22 | lightning | does anyone know what cursor is used when no cursor packages are installed? |
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| 04:29.23 | Guerin | jetscreamer: wow, it's been going for -114 years |
| 04:29.31 | Guerin | jetscreamer: that's the fastest build evar |
| 04:29.41 | Guerin | jetscreamer: they call it `default' |
| 04:29.45 | Guerin | err |
| 04:29.49 | Guerin | lightning: they call it `default' |
| 04:29.54 | Azar | Guerin: military time |
| 04:30.06 | lightning | Guerin: do you know where it may be located? |
| 04:30.15 | Guerin | Azar: there are thos of us who call it `real time' |
| 04:30.21 | Guerin | lightning: update-alternatives |
| 04:30.46 | Azar | Guerin: yeah well nice name.. I agree |
| 04:30.53 | lightning | okay, brb |
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| 04:35.13 | lightning | Guerin: do you know how to start numlock on from .xsession? |
| 04:35.22 | Guerin | no |
| 04:36.14 | streuner | man numlockx |
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| 04:40.30 | lightning | found it, thanks |
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| 04:44.53 | K`zan | Does anyone know what repository "kpalmdoc" is in, I can't find it and I just installed deb4 so I may be missing repositories that I need. TIA. |
| 04:47.33 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 04:47.34 | dpkg | search is, like, try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 04:50.52 | K`zan | Doesn't appear to exist for debian :-(. |
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| 04:51.15 | jetscreamer | i think it does |
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| 04:58.02 | lekvar | howcome when i install gcc-4.1 and gcc-4.2, i dont see any evidence of an alternatives conf? |
| 04:58.20 | lekvar | they would sorta seem like just the thing for that |
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| 05:00.04 | liable | you can just export CC |
| 05:00.23 | cartesian1984 | How can I connect to a qemu serial device/console? |
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| 05:28.14 | cast | ffs @ openoffice repeatedly freezing |
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| 05:35.05 | kenboo | is security.debian.org sluggish now? |
| 05:35.18 | keith4_ | define sluggish |
| 05:35.40 | kenboo | apt-get update stops like [Waiting for headers] |
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| 05:36.48 | keith4_ | are you using apt-proxy or apt-cacher? |
| 05:37.07 | kenboo | no |
| 05:37.34 | liable | its always a bit slow |
| 05:37.55 | keith4_ | yah, it's overloaded |
| 05:39.04 | cartesian1984 | My colo'd box autodetected it's hostname, do I need to assign it a static ip? New manual debian install. |
| 05:39.18 | cartesian1984 | that is, do I need to assign it it's static ip? the one I recieved? |
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| 05:40.28 | keith4_ | something wrong with dhcp? |
| 05:41.05 | cast | yeah, its annoying. |
| 05:41.32 | keith4_ | not if the dhcp server is configured well |
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| 05:43.16 | nvz | umm.. mencoder isn't in debian? |
| 05:43.37 | keith4_ | www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 05:44.04 | nvz | yeah but then I will probably break my packages cause I already have mplayer installed from stable |
| 05:44.20 | nvz | with the browser plugin |
| 05:44.45 | keith4_ | that's okay |
| 05:44.58 | keith4_ | just setup debian-multimedia to be stable, too |
| 05:45.13 | nvz | yeah but mencoder is part of the mplayer package |
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| 05:45.34 | keith4_ | where did you install mplayer from? |
| 05:45.42 | cartesian1984 | How do I assign a static IP that will remain between boots? |
| 05:45.51 | keith4_ | !interfaces |
| 05:45.52 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 05:45.56 | kenboo | man interfaces |
| 05:45.56 | cartesian1984 | keith4_: thanks. |
| 05:46.24 | nvz | !info mplayer stable |
| 05:46.30 | dpkg | mplayer: (The Movie Player), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0~rc1-12etch (etch), Packaged size: 4317 kB, Installed size: 9772 kB |
| 05:46.42 | keith4_ | ok |
| 05:47.36 | keith4_ | hmmm.... seems debian-multimedia has 1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1 |
| 05:47.37 | nvz | 2ah mencoder is packaged seperately |
| 05:47.49 | keith4_ | yah it is |
| 05:48.37 | lightning | :D |
| 05:48.43 | nvz | hmm trying to convert flv's to normal mpeg/avi files |
| 05:49.13 | keith4_ | flash video? |
| 05:49.17 | keith4_ | good luck |
| 05:49.27 | lightning | i had an flv.avi yesterday |
| 05:49.32 | level1 | nvz: you can do that with ffmpeg or mencoder... anything, but you need the codec |
| 05:49.35 | lightning | i just renamed it to .avi though |
| 05:49.42 | level1 | nvz: btw, it really lowers the quality |
| 05:49.59 | Supaplex | nvz: http://vixy.net/ |
| 05:50.53 | keith4_ | Supaplex: wow that's cool |
| 05:51.27 | Supaplex | it's even a sf.net project |
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| 05:52.32 | level1 | Hi, I just a RHQ (really high quality) monitor for a new desktop. I want to check it for dead pixels and defects, but it seems not to work with my laptop, you see... |
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| 05:53.09 | level1 | I'm using vesa because I don't want to use fglrx. However, I think it should work, since a similar screen has worked okay before |
| 05:53.41 | level1 | Is there anything I could try to force the monitor to be recognized? |
| 05:55.20 | level1 | Like reboot, or suspend and resume from suspend? or modprobe something? |
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| 05:56.56 | keith4_ | level1: does a different monitor work with it? |
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| 06:01.54 | lightning | xscreensaver is uninstalled yet a screensaver still goes off in icewm |
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| 06:08.30 | sigp239 | Quick Poll: What is your homepage? |
| 06:10.13 | Supaplex | localhost! |
| 06:10.50 | sigp239 | <- not running a web service |
| 06:11.58 | heh_v_water | about:blank |
| 06:12.07 | sigp239 | yea that's a good choice |
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| 06:19.38 | MobsLobster | how many Debian discs do i need to download to install a working distro with KDE? |
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| 06:20.33 | liable | one |
| 06:20.50 | liable | have a read of the install guide |
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| 06:21.53 | MobsLobster | thats the install manual on the site yeah? |
| 06:24.17 | MobsLobster | just a question how different is debian from Ubuntu? |
| 06:25.32 | cast | nfi. i don't use ubuntu. |
| 06:25.58 | moonyy | just a question how different is win1.0 from debian? |
| 06:26.04 | cast | considering ubuntu is a derivitive of debian, why don't you go ask #ubuntu how they're different? |
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| 06:26.55 | MobsLobster | kk |
| 06:27.47 | MobsLobster | the installer guide looks excellent |
| 06:28.08 | SerajewelKS | concerning security updates, how does updating a shared library actually make services more secure? |
| 06:28.17 | SerajewelKS | i mean when those services are not restarted? |
| 06:28.38 | SerajewelKS | must i hunt down each service that uses an updated shared library and restart them myself? |
| 06:29.22 | Supaplex | read the DSA |
| 06:29.24 | Supaplex | !dsa |
| 06:29.24 | dpkg | [dsa] Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ Debian Sysadmin, the people you pester to install software and such on Debian Project computers, or fucking slow and never giving proper credits. unable to maintain a decent level of security on Debian Project computers, or lame |
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| 06:30.15 | Supaplex | nevermind the disparaging comments - they're too bothered to help I guess. |
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| 06:30.46 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: which part of the DSA |
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| 06:31.16 | Supaplex | as it pertains to the software that's updated. what shared libraries were you talking about? |
| 06:32.22 | SerajewelKS | liblwres9 libisccfg1 libisccc0 a few others |
| 06:32.40 | Guerin | !date |
| 06:32.41 | dpkg | The current date is 2007.07.29 6:32:40 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 06:32.55 | SerajewelKS | the list suggests it was bind... but the bind package was not updated, so the service was not restarted automatically |
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| 06:33.23 | demoncyber_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.24 | Supaplex | SerajewelKS: humm, did the dsa say anything? |
| 06:33.27 | SerajewelKS | only bind9-host was, and it's not the service package |
| 06:33.45 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: yes, it says it pertains to the bind9 source package |
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| 06:34.19 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: my point is less about "what's up with bind" and more "if a library gets a security update, should there not be some mechanism to identify the affected services and restart them" |
| 06:34.22 | Supaplex | dpkg -L bind9-host is small last I recall |
| 06:34.22 | dpkg | No packages found matching bind9-host is small last I recall |
| 06:34.39 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: it is, it's the `host` program, not the service |
| 06:35.01 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: but the libraries that were updated are used by the service, i'm pretty sure |
| 06:35.05 | Supaplex | when libc is updated, lots of stuff gets restarted |
| 06:35.22 | SerajewelKS | not everything that uses libc |
| 06:35.38 | SerajewelKS | that would be everything... afaik it's apache, mysql, gdm, and some others |
| 06:35.46 | Supaplex | humm good point. |
| 06:35.50 | SerajewelKS | libc is the only library i know of that gets special treatment like that |
| 06:35.59 | SerajewelKS | and it's far from complete |
| 06:36.10 | Supaplex | I agree. I wonder why |
| 06:36.23 | SerajewelKS | and it's not for security reasons, it's because those services break horribly when libc is changed on them |
| 06:36.32 | Supaplex | right. |
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| 06:36.43 | sigp239 | I just installed debian and I don't have sound, what can I do to get sound working? |
| 06:37.12 | SerajewelKS | i mean a reboot would work, but we're not windows :) |
| 06:37.24 | SerajewelKS | i'm just curious what the plan is there |
| 06:37.45 | Supaplex | sigp239: you don't have to ask in both places at the same time. |
| 06:38.42 | sigp239 | oh is it the same place? |
| 06:39.20 | Supaplex | if it were, you'd be here twice. of course not. |
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| 06:39.45 | sigp239 | so I can't ask there too? |
| 06:40.02 | Supaplex | you can, but it's similar to <repeat> |
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| 06:40.08 | Supaplex | !tell sigp239 -about repeat |
| 06:40.30 | Supaplex | just nevermind... did you ask dpkg about the other sound related factoids suggested earlier? |
| 06:40.41 | sigp239 | ok well i tried the suggestions from /msg dpkg |
| 06:40.50 | Supaplex | ok |
| 06:40.59 | sigp239 | when i type alsamixer it says "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device" |
| 06:41.23 | sigp239 | I ran alsaconf first though. and I made sure my user was in audio group (he is) |
| 06:41.51 | Supaplex | if you type 'id' - does it show there? (id alone, no paramaters) |
| 06:41.57 | cxhan | alsa in kernel is enabled? |
| 06:42.21 | sigp239 | Supaplex: yes it shows up |
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| 06:42.34 | sigp239 | cxhan: I don't know...I'm using the .22 from sid. |
| 06:43.05 | Supaplex | modconf might make it eaiser to narrow down what modules you want to select |
| 06:43.06 | jae | Take cover! sigp239 is using a .22! ;) |
| 06:43.25 | Guerin | jae: no danger to me - i have a leather jacket on |
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| 06:43.47 | Supaplex | this is your box on sid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIqC610k1gY |
| 06:43.52 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 06:43.55 | sigp239 | now after running alsaconf, when i try to open volume control, i get this error "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found." It wasn't doing that before. |
| 06:44.27 | Supaplex | sigp239: does alsa work on your system with an older or stock debian kernel? |
| 06:44.41 | sigp239 | yes it was working before with debian etch |
| 06:45.02 | Supaplex | and what's changed since then? you're all on sid now? |
| 06:45.38 | sigp239 | no i'm on testing |
| 06:45.42 | sigp239 | with the kernel from sid. |
| 06:45.49 | sigp239 | and some nvidia3d packages from sid. |
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| 06:46.32 | Supaplex | does the testing kernel work well? why the move to .22? |
| 06:46.47 | sigp239 | because the testing kernel won't work with nvidia 3D driver |
| 06:47.08 | sigp239 | the .21 kernel i mean |
| 06:47.40 | Supaplex | ok. did you use the same config from testing, and make oldconfig when using kp? |
| 06:47.54 | sigp239 | kp? |
| 06:47.57 | Supaplex | !kp |
| 06:47.57 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 06:48.27 | Supaplex | !apt-listbugs |
| 06:48.27 | dpkg | apt-listbugs (apt-get install apt-listbugs) is available since atleast Sarge. When installed, it will fetch the list of critical <bts> bugs that pertain to any packages being installed. Modern releases allow you to pin a version to subvert any packages you discover to be too risky (see <pinning>). Older releases only allowed holding (see <hold>). |
| 06:48.38 | sigp239 | I did not compile. I used the binary from the sid repo |
| 06:48.53 | Supaplex | ok. |
| 06:49.16 | sigp239 | I typed modprobe snd-hda-intel and now alsamixer works |
| 06:49.28 | Supaplex | in that case, review your steps, and if it's not reportted in bts, and it's a verified bug, report it |
| 06:49.33 | Supaplex | execellent |
| 06:49.55 | sigp239 | but my volume control still has a red x |
| 06:50.02 | Supaplex | you'll want to use modconf, or add modules you want persistant to /etc/modules |
| 06:50.15 | lightning | what does everyone use for ftp? |
| 06:50.32 | sigp239 | shouldn't my sound module automatically load without me having to enter it manually into a startup config file? |
| 06:50.40 | Supaplex | lightning: wget, ncftp, curl, depends on what's up. |
| 06:51.02 | level1_ | can someone recomend a front end for mplayer? |
| 06:51.12 | cxhan | ncftp or lftp |
| 06:51.17 | level1_ | also, how is it possible to have kmplayer installed but not mplayer? lol |
| 06:51.32 | Supaplex | !+info kmplayer |
| 06:51.35 | dpkg | kmplayer: (media player for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 1:0.10.0~pre2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 211 kB, Installed size: 712 kB |
| 06:51.46 | Guerin | level1_: mplayer is a metapackage |
| 06:51.54 | Guerin | !info mplayer |
| 06:51.54 | level1_ | !+info mplayer |
| 06:51.56 | Supaplex | humm looks small enough to be only a frontend |
| 06:51.57 | dpkg | mplayer: (The Movie Player), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0~rc1-14 (sid), Packaged size: 4358 kB, Installed size: 9588 kB |
| 06:52.07 | lightning | Supaplex: are any of those gui? |
| 06:52.08 | Guerin | huh, they've changed it |
| 06:52.29 | Supaplex | I only use mplayer, I would assume any kde app is gui |
| 06:52.32 | sigp239 | why do I have to add snd-hda-intel to /etc/modules? i mean, why isn't it just set up ready to go already? |
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| 06:52.47 | level1_ | Supaplex: how do I put mplayer in full screen mode? |
| 06:52.49 | Guerin | sigp239: because of the reason. |
| 06:52.50 | Supaplex | sigp239: no idea. |
| 06:52.53 | Guerin | level1_: f |
| 06:53.08 | lightning | brb |
| 06:53.11 | Kevin` | sigp239 maybe everyone doesn't have intel hd sound? |
| 06:53.27 | Supaplex | sigp239: compare lspci -nn to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias |
| 06:53.33 | level1_ | Guerin: are you swearing at me? |
| 06:53.37 | Guerin | the main reason is that that indel_hda is brand new and was very horribly broken until recently |
| 06:53.53 | Guerin | level1_: no, if I was swearing, you wouldn't be in any doubt |
| 06:53.54 | Supaplex | level1_: press the "F" key |
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| 06:54.08 | Supaplex | level1_: man page has other keybindings to |
| 06:54.34 | sigp239 | Supaplex: that would take a while to compare those 2 files |
| 06:54.36 | level1_ | Supaplex: okay, that puts it in full screen, but the image doesn't get any bigger, its just centered |
| 06:54.41 | Kevin` | Guerin btw, are those sound cards actually capable of "HD" sound of some sort? can you capture/playback at a higher polling rate or something? |
| 06:54.54 | Guerin | Kevin`: if they claim to be, it's snake oil |
| 06:54.58 | sandman | If I use blah.dyndns.org as my internet address, would that be considered my "domain"? |
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| 06:55.10 | Guerin | level1_: then you should run mplayer -vo xv fileyouwant.avi |
| 06:55.29 | Guerin | level1_: it's not scaling, which it only does by default on accellerated outputs (such as xv) |
| 06:55.48 | Guerin | sandman: no. |
| 06:55.53 | Kevin` | sandman dyndns.org, unless you have subdomains of blah for each computer |
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| 06:56.10 | Kevin` | sandman fyi, for most purposes the domain setting doesn't matter |
| 06:56.14 | Guerin | sandman: if you're not part of a domain you control, just put nothing, or `badgers' or somesuch |
| 06:56.33 | level1_ | Guerin: hmm... I guess this is what I get for abondoning fglrx for vesa |
| 06:56.35 | Supaplex | !badgers |
| 06:56.35 | dpkg | Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Mushroom, Mushroom, Snake !!, or make great gifts, fun for the whole family |
| 06:56.36 | badgers | You are moron #1, dpkg |
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| 06:57.04 | sigp239 | so, is there a reason for why my sound driver isn't setup to run automatically? |
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| 06:57.06 | Guerin | level1_: yes, vesa is crap. Use radeon or ait |
| 06:57.09 | Guerin | ati, too |
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| 06:57.11 | level1_ | badgers: what an unfortunate name |
| 06:57.12 | badgers | level1_: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 06:57.25 | Guerin | Supaplex: you hax0red teh bots |
| 06:57.37 | Supaplex | shhhh! :P |
| 06:57.37 | level1_ | badgers: oh, your a bot? or your a person with macros? |
| 06:57.38 | badgers | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, level1_ |
| 06:57.44 | Kevin` | sigp239 guerin just said it's because the intel hd driver wasn't stable until recently |
| 06:57.54 | Guerin | there was a time when multiple bots in here were made to have bot wars |
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| 06:58.09 | Guerin | the ops took a dim view of such malarkey |
| 06:58.14 | xjih78 | hi everybody |
| 06:58.15 | xjih78 | i have a problem with mozilla firefox (iceweasel) Mozilla Iceweasel 2.0.0.3. i can't start it through this user however other users have no problems starting |
| 06:58.19 | level1_ | Guerin: radeon didn't seem to like me... is ati different than radeon? and is ait a driver or a typo |
| 06:58.27 | xjih78 | i deleted .mozilla directory but still it doesn't start |
| 06:58.33 | Guerin | xjih78: delete (or move) your ~/.mozilla/firefox dir |
| 06:58.37 | Guerin | oh |
| 06:58.41 | xjih78 | lol |
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| 06:58.49 | Guerin | xjih78: is there free space on the hdd? |
| 06:58.57 | Guerin | (in /home, i mean) |
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| 06:59.03 | sigp239 | Guerin: Kevin`: So, do I just add the line snd-hda-intel to the end of my /etc/modules file? |
| 06:59.03 | level1_ | Guerin: btw, vesa is a great driver. video never lags on my computer, and I've never had any of the headaches of fglrx |
| 06:59.13 | xjih78 | yes. only the boot partition is full (bad partitioning) |
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| 06:59.14 | Guerin | sigp239: in principle |
| 06:59.15 | Kevin` | xjih78 run it from a shell so you can see any errors |
| 06:59.16 | Supaplex | !modconf |
| 06:59.16 | dpkg | modconf is a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules, and at the same time it will update /etc/modules, or fix drivers/net no-view bug with http://bugs.debian.org/358855 |
| 06:59.24 | Guerin | level1_: it's great until you need performance |
| 06:59.34 | xjih78 | Kevin`, tried that. nothing. |
| 06:59.38 | sigp239 | Guerin: In principle? Are there some kind of considerations? |
| 06:59.49 | Guerin | sigp239: i don't actually know what you're trying to do |
| 07:00.02 | Kevin` | xjih78 you can just add it, if you just want it loaded |
| 07:00.03 | cartesian1984 | If I forget the dump/pass options in my fstab, will it still work? |
| 07:00.07 | level1_ | Guerin: what do you mean? I haven't found anything that makes this computer run slow in vesa, but things lagged all the time in fglrx. I swear to god, vesa is faster |
| 07:00.21 | sigp239 | Guering: I'm trying to get sound to work on my Debian testing |
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| 07:00.41 | Guerin | level1_: tricks of the light. fglrx is just evil and crap. there are important things vesa can't do - like xv |
| 07:00.52 | Kevin` | sigp239 I assume you have gotten it to work by doing 'modprobe snd_intel_hda' or whatever, right? |
| 07:00.54 | Guerin | sigp239: suck and see |
| 07:01.09 | sigp239 | Kevin`: Yes |
| 07:01.13 | xjih78 | Kevin`, yes i just want it to load up |
| 07:01.17 | sigp239 | Guerin: ? |
| 07:01.19 | level1_ | Guerin: is radeon different than radeon? |
| 07:01.21 | Kevin` | ya, then just add it to moduels |
| 07:01.24 | Kevin` | modules |
| 07:01.24 | xjih78 | i used firefox -p and it gives the profile screen |
| 07:01.27 | level1_ | Guerin: mean ati |
| 07:01.35 | xjih78 | create a different profile but still not loading |
| 07:01.55 | cartesian1984 | I did a manual install of etch and forgot the 0 0 or 0 2 or such at the end of my fstab lines. |
| 07:02.04 | Guerin | level1_: yes, if radeon and ati were identical, why would there be two drivers? |
| 07:02.09 | Kevin` | cartesian1984 well, boot it and see if it works, or go fix them |
| 07:02.11 | Kevin` | heh |
| 07:02.20 | cartesian1984 | Kevin`: it's a colo'd server :\ |
| 07:02.26 | Guerin | cartesian1984: what partition? |
| 07:02.32 | cartesian1984 | Kevin`: i need to file a ticket to have them reboot it, I guess. |
| 07:02.33 | Guerin | cartesian1984: i mean, where mounted? |
| 07:02.37 | xjih78 | it's just for this one user |
| 07:02.47 | xjih78 | i don't know what could be the problem |
| 07:03.00 | xjih78 | other users execute it perfectly |
| 07:03.09 | cartesian1984 | Guerin: all the lines I left them off on. root included. I still have root=/dev/sda3 in the grub line though. |
| 07:03.44 | level1_ | !radeon |
| 07:03.45 | dpkg | radeon is probably the name of some videocards by ATI. There are different types: R100 chipset (e.g radeon VE,SDR,DDR,LE,7000,7200), R200 (e.g. radeon 8500,8500LE,8800), R250 (e.g. radeon 9000) and R300 (e.g. radeon 9700,9700pro). Use the 'radeon' xfree86 driver, for 3d accel with a r200 use driver from dri.sf.net CVS or ATI own (closed-source) fireGL driver. r250/r300 not yet supported, or http://www.reades.com/radeon.html |
| 07:03.50 | cartesian1984 | Guerin: do you think it will work? |
| 07:04.19 | Guerin | cartesian1984: dunno. Roulette. |
| 07:04.46 | Kevin` | cartesian1984 i'd reproduce it in an emulator, but I don't have one installed.. |
| 07:04.51 | level1_ | whats the name of the package for radeon? |
| 07:05.12 | Guerin | level1_: you are misguided. If you want to choose that driver, /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 07:08.06 | cartesian1984 | Kevin`: just tested it in centos in vbox, it's okay, it'll reboot. |
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| 07:08.53 | moonyy | thats fine - now let your boys get out of the dessert. |
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| 07:11.16 | lightning | dpkg-reconfigured xserver-xorg and i get a no screens found error? any help? |
| 07:12.30 | Guerin | cartesian1984: awesome. |
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| 07:12.45 | cartesian1984 | Guerin: yeah, I was really crossing my fingers on that one :) |
| 07:12.51 | level1_ | Guerin: rather than reconfiguring xorg, could I just write radeon into my xorg.conf? that way I don't have to answer questions like, what keyboard I use, and then I make some mistake and my keyboard doesn't work... ack! |
| 07:13.03 | Guerin | level1_: perhaps. |
| 07:13.22 | Guerin | i mean, yes, as long as the resolutions and refresh rates are the same |
| 07:13.24 | lightning | how do i leave a terminal and go to a new one? |
| 07:13.27 | Guerin | which they probablt are |
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| 07:17.20 | lightning | can anyone help me, i get a no screens found error after chosing a video driver that worked in the past |
| 07:17.38 | lightning | choosing* |
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| 07:23.02 | lightning | failed to load nvidia, module does not exist |
| 07:23.07 | lightning | the driver is installed! |
| 07:23.27 | cast | oh noes! he has a nvidia problem |
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| 07:25.01 | level1 | listen guys, vesa works just fine |
| 07:25.13 | level1 | Guerin: radeon and ati don't seem to work for me |
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| 07:26.50 | lightning | my error is nvidia module not found |
| 07:26.59 | cast | ahh well. |
| 07:27.23 | cast | you have X, and you have a console. for the first few weeks of using 'linux' i had no X, then for the first few months i had no sound |
| 07:28.06 | lightning | i'm running the the amd 2.6.18-4 kernel and what is installed is the nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4 |
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| 07:28.24 | lightning | how is the module not found! |
| 07:28.41 | lightning | may have to tty this one out |
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| 07:31.04 | lightning | bs really |
| 07:32.08 | level1 | My graphics card (a radeon mobility X1400) doesn't seem to work with ati or radeon drivers. Vesa works beautifully. I think that ati and radeon reject my card. What do you guys think? And please don't say fglrx |
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| 07:33.44 | lightning | use the default and search google |
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| 07:34.06 | level1 | lightning: was the for me? |
| 07:34.14 | shimete | how do I access the root acount |
| 07:34.26 | lightning | shimete: su |
| 07:34.35 | lightning | level1: yes |
| 07:34.44 | shimete | lightning: can you tell me the command? |
| 07:34.51 | lightning | level1: maybe the card isn't supported yet |
| 07:35.01 | lightning | shimete: su is the command |
| 07:35.06 | lightning | it stands for super user |
| 07:35.11 | shimete | lightning: thanks |
| 07:35.16 | lightning | a.k.a. root |
| 07:35.26 | level1 | lightning: its not. its an fglrx card. But people here think I can do better than vesa |
| 07:36.00 | lightning | level1: apt-cache search ati, find the driver that matches the kernel you're running |
| 07:36.13 | level1 | lightning: ati didn't like my card |
| 07:36.28 | level1 | lightning: it decided it wasn't support and refused to boot X |
| 07:36.42 | lightning | level1: that's the same problem i'm having |
| 07:36.54 | lightning | :'( |
| 07:37.47 | lightning | but in my case the driver was working before |
| 07:37.49 | level1 | lightning: do these drivers have a "do it anyway" option? |
| 07:37.53 | lightning | and the kernels match |
| 07:38.25 | lightning | level1: i wish, it's not like windows where everything is so perfect |
| 07:38.44 | level1 | lol, I don't think thats how it works |
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| 07:40.13 | lightning | but i find it amazing how linux has the ability |
| 07:42.00 | lightning | to be so versatile amongst window managers, DE's, applications, and wine stuff |
| 07:42.45 | lightning | we are really empty here tonight |
| 07:43.00 | ErkiDerLoony | i thing 724 are a lot |
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| 07:44.09 | Supaplex | don't jump, or we'll all speak at once! |
| 07:44.11 | Supaplex | ;) |
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| 07:45.19 | level1 | Supaplex: not that I'm encouraging this, but it would be funny if we got a bunch of people to say something all at once |
| 07:45.26 | level1 | crash the server much? |
| 07:45.46 | lightning | might as well email bomb someone in that case |
| 07:46.49 | lightning | ah all you linux hackers are crazy with your terminals and your fast typing |
| 07:46.59 | lightning | i can't type fast for the life of me |
| 07:47.05 | level1 | typetypetypetypetype |
| 07:47.11 | ErkiDerLoony | blablablablabla |
| 07:47.13 | level1 | dvorak bitches! |
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| 07:48.09 | lightning | what does tty stand for? |
| 07:48.30 | cast | dict tty |
| 07:49.12 | ErkiDerLoony | Text TermYnal |
| 07:49.15 | ErkiDerLoony | ;-) |
| 07:49.26 | moonyy | tiny tall and young |
| 07:50.12 | lightning | my guess is terminal type relay |
| 07:50.39 | lightning | but i don't really know because i am stuck in tty! |
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| 07:52.44 | Supaplex | !tty |
| 07:52.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tty is an abbreviation for "teletype". More generically, it refers to any terminal or terminal emulator. |
| 07:53.19 | lightning | my guess almost sounds more intelligent |
| 07:54.53 | cast | moonyy: would you like me to call the fbi for you? |
| 07:54.53 | lightning | !no screen |
| 07:54.57 | lightning | !noscreen |
| 07:55.03 | Supaplex | I bet there's an rfc on it |
| 07:55.08 | Supaplex | !listkeys screens |
| 07:55.10 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'screens' by key (15 of 24): #debian screenshot ;; _default no screens found ;; _default screens found ;; _default vt screenshot ;; _default xdm screenshot ;; _default xscreensaver ;; no-screens ;; screens ;; screens found ;; screenshit ;; screenshot ;; viper2's screenshot ;; vt screenshot ;; xdm screenshot ;; xscreensaver fix. |
| 07:55.16 | liable | !no screens found |
| 07:55.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, screens found is not a useful message - it means X11 has a problem somewhere with something. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log (or /var/log/Xorg.0.log for X.org) more closely, and look for the real error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
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| 07:55.48 | lightning | !troubleshooting x |
| 07:55.48 | dpkg | To troubleshoot a problem with X, first look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log and find out what the problem is - look for the first lines starting with (EE). Then use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" or "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to fix it. Ask me about "x md5sum" |
| 07:55.54 | liable | !annoy bob2 |
| 07:55.55 | dpkg | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
| 07:56.08 | lightning | lol |
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| 07:57.05 | lightning | okay so Xorg.0.log says the driver is not found, yet it is installed and matches the kernel |
| 07:57.30 | lightning | nvidia-glx? no, because that also is installed |
| 07:58.36 | lightning | brb |
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| 08:00.45 | lightning | how do you kickstart a module? |
| 08:01.09 | blubberdiblub | lightning: you mean load? "modprobe modulename" |
| 08:01.15 | liable | load the module then start x |
| 08:01.26 | lightning | how do i find out the modules name? |
| 08:01.30 | moonyy | cast: what you thinking about - |
| 08:01.49 | liable | lightning: google |
| 08:01.59 | blubberdiblub | lightning: if you installed it via a package, try: dpkg -L packagename |
| 08:02.09 | cast | moonyy: nothing, bad joke :) |
| 08:02.11 | liable | modprobe -l |
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| 08:04.13 | lightning | how do i know which is the module? |
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| 08:05.18 | liable | modprobe nvidia |
| 08:05.22 | moonyy | man modprobe |
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| 08:05.41 | liable | that wont help him with which module |
| 08:05.59 | moonyy | guess |
| 08:06.17 | blubberdiblub | i'd run modinfo on the candidates ... |
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| 08:06.37 | lightning | well modprobe nvidia did something but i still get the no screens found error |
| 08:06.51 | blubberdiblub | lightning: what exact card do you have? |
| 08:06.59 | lightning | nvidia 7600gs |
| 08:07.16 | lightning | chaintech 512mb ram |
| 08:07.16 | blubberdiblub | lightning: then try the nvidia-legacy-9600 |
| 08:07.33 | lightning | i'm not using a legacy driver |
| 08:07.41 | lightning | you crazy, those are old |
| 08:08.16 | blubberdiblub | lightning: they aren't legacy in the way you mean. the current nvidia package doesn't support the 7600 chipset anymore, afaik |
| 08:08.49 | lightning | well the kernel that is installed here has worked many of times before |
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| 08:09.08 | blubberdiblub | lightning: i'm using the nvidia-*-legacy-96xx packages as well, and they run very well |
| 08:09.28 | lightning | i know they run nice, but i have a no screens error |
| 08:09.38 | lightning | thats like xorg monitor detection related |
| 08:10.02 | liable | lightning: so what is the exact error in the log? |
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| 08:10.40 | lightning | one moment please- |
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| 08:12.20 | lightning | well after the load mouse section it says no drivers available |
| 08:12.26 | lightning | error no screens found |
| 08:12.40 | liable | paste the log to a pastebot, this is useless |
| 08:12.59 | lightning | i don't know how to paste from tty |
| 08:13.07 | lightning | teletype |
| 08:13.09 | liable | !paste without x |
| 08:13.10 | dpkg | without x: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
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| 08:13.21 | liable | !paste withoutx |
| 08:13.22 | dpkg | withoutx: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 08:13.23 | lightning | how do i get to a new terminal? |
| 08:13.25 | liable | bah |
| 08:13.36 | blubberdiblub | Alt-F2 |
| 08:14.28 | blubberdiblub | or use screen and split the view :) |
| 08:14.35 | lightning | how do i select all in terminal |
| 08:14.41 | lightning | er nano |
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| 08:15.05 | blubberdiblub | if you have gpm installed and set up correctly, with the mouse ;) just mark it |
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| 08:15.47 | lightning | the mouse isn't working here |
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| 08:17.41 | blubberdiblub | do you have a common ps/2 or usb mouse? and do you have gpm installed already? then make sure in /etc/gpm.conf the device= line points to /dev/input/mice (or use "dpkg-reconfigure gpm" to set it up) and then restart gpm |
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| 08:18.35 | Trentster | Hey all can someone help with NTOP, I am trying to get the historical data charts to show totals, can anyone offer some input on this? |
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| 08:18.45 | lightning | failed to load module nvidia |
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| 08:19.11 | liable | lightning: so load it with modprobe, then check dmesg |
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| 08:19.35 | lightning | how do i check with dmesg |
| 08:19.55 | liable | you type.. dmesg ... |
| 08:20.41 | lightning | oh it's loaded |
| 08:20.50 | lightning | just no screens found |
| 08:21.08 | liable | try and start x again and then recheck the log |
| 08:22.18 | lightning | i do have a warning about open acpi failing |
| 08:22.50 | liable | errors not warnings |
| 08:22.52 | lightning | other than that it says (EE)No drivers available |
| 08:23.07 | lightning | fatal server error, no screens found |
| 08:23.42 | liable | right, untill you work out how to paste your log and xord.conf, i give up |
| 08:24.49 | lightning | warning couldn't open module nvidia |
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| 08:25.29 | liable | lightning: change your xorg to use vesa |
| 08:25.32 | liable | or nv |
| 08:25.46 | lightning | but i need to get nvida working for gaming |
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| 08:26.32 | war | After apt-get upgrade, my Lenny system no longers mounts my NFS mounts (in /etc/fstab) why not? |
| 08:26.37 | war | i have to manually run mount -a |
| 08:26.50 | streuner | hm |
| 08:26.56 | moonyy | kicha |
| 08:27.01 | war | (upon reboot) |
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| 08:27.57 | streuner | !tell moonyy about ask |
| 08:28.38 | lightning | connection reset by peer |
| 08:29.04 | streuner | heh, with your videocard? :-) |
| 08:29.42 | streuner | liable: do you live in Perth nowadays? |
| 08:30.20 | lightning | where is Perth? |
| 08:30.32 | streuner | westcoast .au |
| 08:30.34 | liable | streuner: yes |
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| 08:31.41 | liable | streuner: i hope you have removed nmap and kismet from your boxen ;) |
| 08:31.41 | streuner | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perth%2C_Western_Australia |
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| 08:31.48 | lightning | what prevents xserver from loading a module |
| 08:32.08 | streuner | liable: justice only make action, if somebody tell them |
| 08:32.37 | liable | send me money or you get it! |
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| 08:32.44 | streuner | hehe |
| 08:33.06 | liable | is it still on the .de mirrors? |
| 08:33.09 | lightning | lots of football in au? |
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| 08:33.12 | liable | s/it/they/ |
| 08:33.15 | dharok1337 | DCC SEND C:\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ |
| 08:33.15 | blubberdiblub | are nmap and kismet illegal? |
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| 08:33.23 | tarzeau | blubberdiblub: no |
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| 08:33.59 | liable | blubberdiblub: in germany, yes |
| 08:34.28 | blubberdiblub | liable: really? can you point me to the law that regulate use of them? |
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| 08:35.19 | liable | blubberdiblub: streuner prolly could, its been on most of the tech websites latelt, and /. has an article about a mac version of kismet atm |
| 08:35.27 | liable | lately |
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| 08:36.08 | lightning | liable: play a lot of golf? |
| 08:36.12 | blubberdiblub | the government around here is going more and more nuts ... |
| 08:36.15 | liable | nope |
| 08:37.20 | lightning | are you a programmer? |
| 08:37.43 | liable | nope |
| 08:38.17 | lightning | are you wearing glasses? |
| 08:38.27 | liable | haha, no! |
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| 08:38.38 | NETWizz | Hi |
| 08:39.00 | lightning | no i was thinking of that game |
| 08:39.09 | lightning | can't think of the nae |
| 08:39.09 | moonyy | lol |
| 08:39.49 | NETWizz | HOw do I install the Compiz thing on Debian |
| 08:39.52 | lightning | anyone here know of a tc? |
| 08:39.58 | NETWizz | tc? |
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| 08:40.22 | lightning | yes. |
| 08:40.29 | moonyy | aptitude install compiz - try |
| 08:43.49 | streuner | blubberdiblub: an old link:http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/0,1518,438969,00.html |
| 08:44.04 | lightning | hm |
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| 08:46.07 | streuner | blubberdiblub: the law is out NOW |
| 08:46.33 | blubberdiblub | streuner: thanks :) i found another one as well: http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/78688 that's plain stupid tho ... what about the bundestrojaner? that would be illegal as well then |
| 08:47.07 | lightning | what causes a module not to load? |
| 08:47.39 | blubberdiblub | lightning: using a module not supporting your card, for instance |
| 08:47.59 | lightning | what other module was suggested? |
| 08:48.08 | lightning | for the 7600 |
| 08:48.16 | streuner | blubberdiblub: not for the gov. ;-) |
| 08:48.23 | blubberdiblub | lightning: the ones in the *-legacy-96xx packages |
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| 08:48.33 | lightning | how do i page list? |
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| 08:49.10 | blubberdiblub | lightning: apt-cache --names-only search 96xx |
| 08:49.13 | lokkju_wrk | is there an easy way to get glibc 2.4 on debian? |
| 08:49.50 | blubberdiblub | streuner: a good reason to emigrate ;) |
| 08:49.51 | streuner | install sage? |
| 08:49.58 | streuner | install sarge? |
| 08:50.03 | streuner | !info libc6 sarge |
| 08:50.16 | lokkju_wrk | I am on etch - still at 2.3.x |
| 08:50.21 | lightning | only thing showind legacy is 71xx |
| 08:50.34 | Kjikaqawej | etch is at 2.3.x; lenny is at 2.5.x i think |
| 08:50.40 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 (sarge), Packaged size: 4771 kB, Installed size: 15320 kB |
| 08:50.41 | Kjikaqawej | !info libc6 lenny |
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| 08:51.04 | Kjikaqawej | sid is at 2.6.x |
| 08:51.22 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.6-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 4309 kB, Installed size: 10416 kB |
| 08:51.24 | streuner | lokkju_wrk: why 2.4? |
| 08:51.32 | Kjikaqawej | ah it's at 2.6 too |
| 08:51.41 | lokkju_wrk | streuner, got a binary that is built against it |
| 08:51.55 | lokkju_wrk | hmm |
| 08:51.58 | lokkju_wrk | could try 2.6 |
| 08:51.59 | Kjikaqawej | lokkju_wrk: send it back and tell them not to build shit statically |
| 08:52.36 | lokkju_wrk | um... *not* to build statically? |
| 08:52.46 | Kjikaqawej | yes |
| 08:53.03 | lokkju_wrk | they didn't |
| 08:53.10 | Kjikaqawej | ok |
| 08:53.28 | Kjikaqawej | some binary-only shit is |
| 08:53.28 | lokkju_wrk | but I am on 2.3, so it ain''t going to work... but 2.6 should |
| 08:53.33 | streuner | lokkju_wrk: maybe its better you tell us, what kind of binary that is... |
| 08:53.47 | streuner | and the URL where you got that from |
| 08:54.08 | lokkju_wrk | streuner, nxserver binaries converted from ubuntu deb packages |
| 08:54.14 | streuner | uh |
| 08:54.18 | lightning | why can't it find the nvidia module? |
| 08:54.20 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 08:54.20 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system. |
| 08:54.30 | lokkju_wrk | heh |
| 08:54.56 | Kjikaqawej | no more woody (or sarge, etch, ...) |
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| 08:55.08 | lokkju_wrk | yeah, well the only debian packages are freaking v 0.4.0 - ubuntu is on 0.6.0 - and building it from source is REALLY horrible |
| 08:55.16 | streuner | hm, true, i'll change the factoid |
| 08:55.29 | Kjikaqawej | don't bother. read it first |
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| 08:56.04 | streuner | there is "debian based debs" missing... |
| 08:56.08 | Kjikaqawej | well that's stupid, they didn't set a conflicts against the other binary in the source package ... |
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| 08:57.00 | lightning | okay so why isn't the nvidia module being found? |
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| 08:57.16 | Kjikaqawej | try depmod -Aa first then modprobing it again |
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| 08:57.52 | Fahrenheit | Hello everybody, I'm running fuse and curlftpfs to mount locally some ftp account. But when I mount them, the files do have local owner (eg. root by default) isn't there any way to prevent this and keep the real owner ? |
| 08:58.17 | lightning | Kjikaqawej: just depmod -Aa? |
| 08:58.26 | Kjikaqawej | as root/sudo of course |
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| 08:58.57 | lightning | failed to load module |
| 08:59.03 | lokkju_wrk | hmm.. ok, so glibc 2.6 isn't in unstable or testing |
| 08:59.10 | Kjikaqawej | er, yes it is |
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| 08:59.20 | Kjikaqawej | lightning: see dmesg as to why |
| 08:59.21 | streuner | glibc is libc6 |
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| 08:59.33 | lightning | Kjikaqawej: just by typing dmesg? |
| 08:59.43 | streuner | lokkju_wrk: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 08:59.50 | Kjikaqawej | yes, optionally piping it to your favourite page |
| 08:59.53 | Kjikaqawej | r |
| 09:00.23 | lokkju_wrk | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 09:00.52 | lightning | Kjikaqawej: and what am i looking for in dmesg |
| 09:00.55 | Kjikaqawej | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:01.01 | lightning | how do i list by page with dmesg |
| 09:01.10 | streuner | thats etch/stable - why do you want make your system unstable only for ONE app.? |
| 09:01.13 | Kjikaqawej | bah, nm that... at the bottom, the reason why it didn't load |
| 09:01.39 | Kjikaqawej | lokkju_wrk: this thing hardly seems worth it |
| 09:01.44 | lokkju_wrk | streuner, um, I have stable, unstable, and testing in my sources.list |
| 09:01.50 | Kjikaqawej | O_O |
| 09:01.51 | lokkju_wrk | I have other unstable packages on here |
| 09:02.10 | Kjikaqawej | ... |
| 09:02.12 | lightning | Kjikaqawej: how do i list by page with dmesg |
| 09:02.31 | Kjikaqawej | Kjikaqawej> yes, optionally piping it to your favourite page[r] |
| 09:02.34 | streuner | lokkju_wrk: read the factoid (bobbitt) again - /msg dpkg bobbitt |
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| 09:02.48 | Kjikaqawej | | less |
| 09:02.55 | lokkju_wrk | streuner, yeah, yeah - I essentially try to track unstable |
| 09:03.27 | Kjikaqawej | ok, so don't expect any help from us anymore if you're so brilliant |
| 09:03.27 | lokkju_wrk | lokkju@asimov:/etc/nxserver$ sudo apt-show-versions libc6 |
| 09:03.27 | lokkju_wrk | libc6/stable uptodate 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
| 09:03.31 | lokkju_wrk | that is what makes no sense |
| 09:03.41 | lokkju_wrk | it should show stuff from testing and unstable |
| 09:04.13 | streuner | *plonk* |
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| 09:05.21 | tarzeau | has anyone tried the new gui installer of HURD yet? http://www.projecthurd.tk/ i got a mirror http://gnu.ethz.ch/hurd/ |
| 09:05.57 | lightning | Kjikaqawej: it appears as if it loaded properly |
| 09:06.00 | cast | they have a gui installer? wth? do they have a /dev/random yet? |
| 09:06.14 | tarzeau | cast: not sure on the /dev/random ask #hurd ? |
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| 09:06.21 | lightning | NVRM: Loading NVIDIA Linux..... |
| 09:06.23 | Kjikaqawej | lightning: when you modprobed, what happened? |
| 09:06.26 | tarzeau | cast: well a bootsplash :) |
| 09:06.31 | Kjikaqawej | ok, after that? |
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| 09:07.11 | lightning | Kjikaqawej: after that it returns to terminal |
| 09:07.21 | lokkju_wrk | re that tk site - what is it with projects that can't find decent hosting? I always have extra server space available, and I know lots of others who do as well |
| 09:07.38 | lightning | Kjikaqawej: when i first modprobed it loaded the module but since it just jumps to the next line |
| 09:07.41 | Kjikaqawej | lightning: ok, and it shows in lsmod at the top? |
| 09:08.06 | lightning | Kjikaqawej: yes |
| 09:08.18 | Kjikaqawej | well seems to me it's loaded into kernel memory (installed into the kernel), so should be alirght |
| 09:09.05 | lightning | yet startx complains of not finding the module |
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| 09:09.20 | Kjikaqawej | you also need the x driver |
| 09:09.28 | lightning | whoa |
| 09:09.31 | lightning | which is what file? |
| 09:09.53 | Kjikaqawej | nvidia-glx-whatever |
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| 09:10.17 | Kjikaqawej | that's the package; the full name depends on what kernel driver you built/need |
| 09:10.23 | project9 | how to download file with curl and can i pause file while download and resume as wget |
| 09:10.44 | Kjikaqawej | yeh, ^z |
| 09:10.48 | lightning | Kjikaqawej: nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-ia32 are installed |
| 09:11.24 | Kjikaqawej | lightning: yeh, is that what you need? does that match your kernel module? |
| 09:11.50 | lightning | Kjikaqawej: it is installed |
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| 09:11.50 | blubberdiblub | Kjikaqawej: the glx one is not kernel dependend |
| 09:11.55 | Kjikaqawej | so what's the exact error? i need to know this |
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| 09:12.17 | blubberdiblub | but i assume he should only have one of them installed depending on if he's using 32bit or 64bit kernel |
| 09:12.27 | Kjikaqawej | blubberdiblub: it's dependent on the video card, as is the kernel module, they need to match |
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| 09:13.16 | blubberdiblub | Kjikaqawej: yes, on the card, but not on the kernel. as far as i can tell, he's not using the legacy modules, so one of the plain glx ones is correct |
| 09:13.49 | Kjikaqawej | Driver "nvidia"; i'm running it now ;) |
| 09:13.55 | Kjikaqawej | yes |
| 09:14.56 | blubberdiblub | i suspect his xorg.conf says "nv" instead of "nvidia" or something around that |
| 09:14.59 | lightning | connection reset by peer |
| 09:15.06 | lightning | i'll check |
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| 09:15.34 | Kjikaqawej | i'm getting around to that |
| 09:15.53 | lightning | oh it says nvidia |
| 09:16.01 | blubberdiblub | well, that's good |
| 09:16.19 | blubberdiblub | make sure you disable loading of the dri module, tho |
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| 09:17.56 | lightning | i see nothing about dri |
| 09:18.33 | blubberdiblub | that may be good or bad, depending on what version of Xorg you're using. on the older ones, it sufficed not mentioning dri in the Modules section |
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| 09:18.42 | tarzeau | is anyone interested in fractals and would like to test an interactive gui program to create such? |
| 09:18.44 | blubberdiblub | on the newer ones, one has to disable it explicitly |
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| 09:21.07 | blubberdiblub | lightning: you might want to make sure that there is no BusID line in the Device section. maybe it mismatches? |
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| 09:22.01 | lightning | no, none of that |
| 09:22.04 | blubberdiblub | lightning: otherwise one could point it to the correct busid of the card, which would be important if the box has more that one graphics interface or something |
| 09:22.16 | Kjikaqawej | yes, then you have to |
| 09:22.19 | lightning | it does not |
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| 09:22.34 | liable | change the damn driver to nv and paste your goddam logs |
| 09:22.43 | lightning | hahah, okay |
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| 09:25.26 | piztek | and back |
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| 09:25.34 | piztek | what file shalt i paste? |
| 09:25.36 | xingu | tarzeau: fractal me up baby; I haven't got a damn clue about the maths but I like pretty pictures and have enough floating point firepower to make this fun |
| 09:26.02 | liable | piztek: your xorg log and dmesg output from when you load the module |
| 09:26.14 | tarzeau | xingu: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/randim/ (you can just take the i386 if you are on sid, might also work with lenny/etch) |
| 09:26.26 | tarzeau | xingu: if you like it, try also apt-get install evolvotron |
| 09:26.28 | blubberdiblub | piztek:and your xorg.conf, too |
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| 09:27.30 | patrick- | Hey everyone. Is it not possible to scp complete directories? |
| 09:27.32 | piztek | http://pastebin.com/mf075b3f |
| 09:27.33 | xingu | tarzeau: amd64, I'll do the obvious. |
| 09:27.35 | piztek | dmesg |
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| 09:27.44 | tarzeau | xingu: here's spoiler images: http://interstitiality.net/IfsNewIms/index.html |
| 09:27.47 | liable | piztek: sure, -r |
| 09:28.05 | liable | patrick-: ^^ |
| 09:28.25 | patrick- | i get missing argument |
| 09:28.26 | patrick- | :( |
| 09:28.34 | patrick- | whats the syntax? |
| 09:28.41 | liable | man scp |
| 09:28.46 | patrick- | scp * -R user@host:destination |
| 09:28.47 | tarzeau | xingu: xfractint is non-free |
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| 09:29.56 | patrick- | scp * -R user@host:destination <-- incorrect? |
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| 09:30.17 | piztek | Xorg.0.log |
| 09:30.20 | piztek | http://pastebin.com/m590de256 |
| 09:30.42 | liable | patrick-: i dont see -R in the man page |
| 09:30.42 | patrick- | I get XX: is not a regular file |
| 09:30.48 | patrick- | i use -r |
| 09:30.52 | patrick- | sorry |
| 09:31.05 | patrick- | still |
| 09:31.07 | patrick- | I get XX: is not a regular file |
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| 09:31.58 | piztek | liable: did you get those |
| 09:32.08 | liable | piztek: the next oldest log, thats with nv loaded |
| 09:32.16 | piztek | okay |
| 09:32.24 | patrick- | liable: any hint? |
| 09:32.53 | blubberdiblub | liable: nvidia is the one he's trying to get working. nv is the one without 3d acceleration |
| 09:33.04 | liable | patrick-: if you dont use the wildcard, does it work? |
| 09:33.15 | DaveyB | What's the difference between a CFS and SD Scheduler? |
| 09:33.23 | liable | blubberdiblub: i know, thats why i asked for the old log ;) |
| 09:33.26 | patrick- | liable: nope |
| 09:33.38 | patrick- | 24: not a regular file |
| 09:33.38 | patrick- | -r: No such file or directory |
| 09:33.53 | blubberdiblub | liable: ah, right, sorry i misread your line ;) |
| 09:33.57 | namit | patrick-, sorry must jumping in here, just use scp * ... no -r |
| 09:34.19 | piztek | http://pastebin.com/m203d739 |
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| 09:34.36 | piztek | there it says failed to load glx |
| 09:34.44 | nohaycubetto | silly question, what should i add to sources.list to use unstable packages? |
| 09:34.53 | lokkju_wrk | ok, distupgrade time... eek |
| 09:35.08 | tarzeau | nohaycubetto: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 09:35.12 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 09:35.12 | dpkg | hmm... sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 09:36.02 | piztek | did you get that liable |
| 09:36.19 | xingu | tarzeau: http://li |
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| 09:36.26 | xingu | tarzeau: Unable to allocate read/write color cells; trying read-only. |
| 09:36.44 | tarzeau | xingu: when you do what? |
| 09:36.45 | xingu | tarzeau: on any gui knob after running |
| 09:37.02 | xingu | tarzeau: then segfault |
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| 09:37.04 | GreaseMonkey | night all |
| 09:37.05 | tarzeau | xingu: yes but the gui appears anyways? |
| 09:37.07 | blubberdiblub | piztek: it only shows an url ;) |
| 09:37.12 | tarzeau | xingu: oh maybe not 64bit tested :) |
| 09:37.15 | lekvar | I'd use cdebootstrap to put an install on another drive partition yes? |
| 09:37.20 | piztek | blubberdiblub: ? |
| 09:37.23 | xingu | tarzeau: it's monochrome black/white |
| 09:37.29 | revilodraw | i was just banned from #ubuntu for making a joke... how long will the ban last? |
| 09:37.37 | xand | revilodraw: how should we know? |
| 09:37.40 | liable | piztek: repaste it |
| 09:37.41 | piztek | s.o.b |
| 09:37.42 | xingu | tarzeau: yeah was wondering... |
| 09:37.44 | piztek | sorry |
| 09:37.48 | blubberdiblub | piztek: the last pastebin paste of yours doesn't have the log ;) |
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| 09:37.57 | tarzeau | xingu: you can add colors and blur :) |
| 09:38.00 | liable | you put the old url in the paste |
| 09:38.05 | xand | revilodraw: ask whoever banned you |
| 09:38.07 | revilodraw | xand: dunno, there might be a ban timeout geez |
| 09:38.18 | bony | hi |
| 09:38.19 | revilodraw | xand.. k thanks |
| 09:38.33 | tarzeau | xingu: really try packages.debian.org/evolvotron instead :) |
| 09:38.33 | xand | revilodraw: it'll be until someone unbans you |
| 09:38.36 | piztek | http://pastebin.com/m350584f7 |
| 09:38.44 | revilodraw | xand: ooohh damn ok |
| 09:38.45 | xingu | tarzeau: I'll try your i386 deb in the chroot before I do just to see |
| 09:38.50 | piztek | sorry about that |
| 09:38.56 | revilodraw | how do i contact them? |
| 09:39.02 | xingu | tarzeau: not planning on adding build tools to the chroot though so that's as far as I go down that line |
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| 09:39.09 | xand | /msg |
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| 09:39.51 | liable | patrick-: scp -r /dir foo@blah.org: dunno what you have wrong, works for me |
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| 09:40.41 | piztek | liable, oh computer genious oh pal, so why does it fail to load glx, and may you presume i correct it? |
| 09:40.48 | blubberdiblub | piztek: was that /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old ? if so, then in the meantime you started it with nv driver at least twice ;) |
| 09:40.58 | liable | piztek: that one still has nv being used.. |
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| 09:41.19 | piztek | what! |
| 09:41.27 | revilodraw | xand: how do i contact them |
| 09:41.46 | blubberdiblub | piztek: paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old , please |
| 09:42.00 | xingu | tarzeau: gui appearence is identical i386 v amd64 (monochrome) but "next" gui button segfaults in amd64 - would guess is pointer width problem |
| 09:42.06 | xand | revilodraw: /msg <theirnick> |
| 09:42.12 | tarzeau | xingu: likewise. can you fix it? |
| 09:42.14 | xingu | tarzeau: i386 logs same error to console btw just no segfault. |
| 09:42.19 | tarzeau | xingu: true |
| 09:42.41 | xingu | tarzeau: heh, will take a quick squizz; not particularly proficient with gdb but will have a crack. |
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| 09:42.52 | piztek | http://pastebin.com/m990bd32 |
| 09:43.05 | tarzeau | xingu: thanks :) don't forget evolvotron (it's recreational) |
| 09:43.50 | xingu | tarzeau: your debian/rules strips debug syms, naughty naughty |
| 09:44.07 | patrick- | liable: |
| 09:44.10 | patrick- | maybe its the wildcard? |
| 09:44.27 | tarzeau | xingu: where does it do so? |
| 09:44.30 | piztek | sorry, i'll log out and try again |
| 09:44.31 | patrick- | scp -r * user@bla |
| 09:44.33 | piztek | but i did find this |
| 09:44.36 | piztek | (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
| 09:44.42 | xingu | tarzeau: unsure; looking... |
| 09:44.45 | xingu | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:44.45 | xingu | src/Randim/randim: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
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| 09:45.07 | tarzeau | xingu: dh_strip |
| 09:45.11 | xingu | tarzeau: yep ;) |
| 09:45.23 | tarzeau | xingu: every debian package not ending -dbg does so :) |
| 09:45.28 | liable | piztek: thats the free driver you are getting that error with, what exactly are you changing in your xorg.conf? |
| 09:45.31 | patrick- | liable: im getting further.. "permission denied" :D |
| 09:45.55 | piztek | liable: nothing i'm dpkg-reconfiguring xorg |
| 09:45.58 | liable | patrick-: make sure the dir you are trying to write to, you have permissions for |
| 09:46.10 | blubberdiblub | piztek: and your /etc/X11/xorg.conf , please? |
| 09:46.29 | patrick- | voila |
| 09:46.30 | piztek | liable: but, i reconfigured it three times because i got errors with the frame buffer crap |
| 09:46.34 | patrick- | thanks liable |
| 09:46.38 | lekvar | Is there a "right" way to migrate an install from one partition to another on a drive? Can I just do a rescue boot and cp -a it over and then edit fstab ... |
| 09:46.38 | patrick- | :) |
| 09:46.41 | liable | np |
| 09:46.55 | blubberdiblub | piztek: don't use the framebuffer option |
| 09:47.22 | xingu | tarzeau: not the only problem; Makefile:LFLAGS -s |
| 09:47.28 | liable | theres a really old nvidia framebuffer factoid but i dont know if its still relevant |
| 09:47.37 | piztek | http://pastebin.com/m171e0948 |
| 09:47.40 | liable | i just a deja vu moment about it |
| 09:47.53 | piztek | i'll let it error again with the nvidia to get the log |
| 09:47.55 | piztek | sorry about that |
| 09:47.58 | piztek | one moment |
| 09:48.24 | xingu | tarzeau: yep this looks nasty... |
| 09:48.27 | xingu | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 09:48.27 | xingu | 0x00000000004061b3 in apply_trans () at draw.c:31 |
| 09:48.27 | xingu | 31 p = a[prob[qrand() >> RANDSHIFT]]; |
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| 09:49.02 | tarzeau | xingu: the code wasn't touched since 2001 |
| 09:49.20 | xingu | tarzeau: *snort* sparc was 64bit for a decade by then |
| 09:49.34 | tarzeau | xingu: not everybody had/has access to such stuff |
| 09:49.35 | blubberdiblub | piztek: can you have dpkg-reconfigure disable the dri module? if not, i'll add the necessary section to your paste, if you like |
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| 09:49.49 | piztek | back |
| 09:49.51 | tarzeau | xingu: and no, sparc was 32bit, ultrasparc came much later |
| 09:49.55 | tarzeau | xingu: around 1995 |
| 09:49.59 | tarzeau | maybe even later |
| 09:50.08 | cast | someone remind me how to grow/shrink regions in screen with splitscreen... |
| 09:50.38 | pingouin | like /window grow [value] ? |
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| 09:50.50 | pingouin | or /window shrink [value] |
| 09:50.58 | cast | yes, but in screen and not irssi |
| 09:51.09 | pingouin | oh sorry, i red to fast |
| 09:51.26 | piztek | http://pastebin.com/m6909660 |
| 09:51.26 | blubberdiblub | piztek: maybe you like to try the Module section i added: http://pastebin.com/m3b0ed5b4 |
| 09:51.32 | piztek | sorry about that before liable |
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| 09:52.08 | piztek | nv driver with glx? |
| 09:53.03 | piztek | liable are you getting this? |
| 09:53.08 | blubberdiblub | piztek: oh, the paste before was the wrong one again ... let me check the current one *g* |
| 09:53.16 | piztek | that is the correct pastebin |
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| 09:53.31 | liable | i was outside |
| 09:53.51 | xingu | tarzeau: '96, so only half a decade ;) |
| 09:53.51 | blubberdiblub | piztek: yeah, i'm looking at it now :) |
| 09:53.54 | piztek | liable: were you smoking, did i get you mad because i'm such an idiot |
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| 09:54.09 | tarzeau | xingu: yep :) |
| 09:54.16 | xingu | "I'll let you off this time" *snort* :) |
| 09:54.17 | piztek | liable: you have to understand my screen is at a resolution where my fonts look about the size of a width of a penny |
| 09:54.31 | piztek | i can't see what i'm doing |
| 09:54.34 | liable | piztek: you did annoy me enough to make me want to help you so you would shut up, yes :P |
| 09:54.38 | piztek | and i didn't know the log only made three backups |
| 09:54.44 | xingu | tarzeau: I'm trying to work out what apply_trans is doing with that monster array so I can work out what the problem is |
| 09:54.53 | piztek | liable: i'm so sorry, it happenened so fast |
| 09:55.06 | tarzeau | xingu: :) oh you don't have to |
| 09:55.09 | piztek | i'm gunna get good at this linux thing, just you guys wait |
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| 09:55.29 | xingu | tarzeau: bored, is brain food; unless you've already fixed? |
| 09:55.39 | blubberdiblub | piztek: could you check "ls /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/" please? is there a nvidia_drv.so file? |
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| 09:55.46 | tarzeau | xingu: no, i didn't, and i still have to write upstream about i package it |
| 09:55.47 | lekvar | heh... grub2 looks like a green crt terminal |
| 09:56.04 | tarzeau | xingu: i know him for several years, since he ported emacs.app to the latest gun emacs (23.x) |
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| 09:56.18 | blubberdiblub | piztek: pay special attention to the ending. .o probably won't work ... |
| 09:56.21 | piztek | yes there is an nvidia_drv.so |
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| 09:56.28 | tarzeau | xingu: true freesoftware are very efficient time killers :) and fun too |
| 09:56.57 | blubberdiblub | piztek: is it a link or a regular file? |
| 09:57.06 | liable | piztek: do you have a /usr/lib/xorg/modules/nvidia.so file? |
| 09:57.06 | xingu | tarzeau: global arrays called "a" and nfi where they're declared, yay! |
| 09:57.31 | piztek | it is a regular file |
| 09:57.32 | xingu | aha |
| 09:57.36 | zapalotta | Hello. I have a box (Fileserver) with a brand new installation of Etch on one HD. The server also has two 400GB and two 120GB-HDs. What's the best effort to use those four extra disks for data storage? |
| 09:57.46 | xingu | randim.h, extern float a[][] |
| 09:57.48 | zapalotta | I would like to mirror al data |
| 09:58.05 | piztek | liable: i do not have an nvidia.so |
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| 09:58.28 | liable | blubberdiblub: is the driver called nvidia_drv.so ? |
| 09:58.28 | blubberdiblub | liable: i don't have that file, either. it just needs the nvidia_drv.so in drivers/ here ... |
| 09:58.37 | blubberdiblub | liable: yes |
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| 09:58.56 | liable | blubberdiblub: i have never had a nvidia card, so am flying a bit blind here |
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| 09:59.05 | pingouin | cast: did you find it ? |
| 09:59.14 | cast | nope. |
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| 09:59.48 | blubberdiblub | piztek: okay, in the directory listing before, there were other drivers, right? did they also have the .so ending? |
| 10:00.16 | piztek | yes |
| 10:00.29 | piztek | but there isn't and nvidia.so present |
| 10:00.32 | xingu | tarzeau: ok so randim.h -> qrand is going to return a long I bet which draw.c cheerily >>'s, gut instinct is overflow problem right there |
| 10:00.32 | blubberdiblub | hmm, that sounds like it is supposed to find the driver then |
| 10:00.33 | piztek | only l files |
| 10:00.37 | piztek | lib |
| 10:00.46 | blubberdiblub | piztek: that's normal |
| 10:01.12 | eisen | hi |
| 10:01.15 | tarzeau | xingu: it's cool! i'm sure adrian will be glad to include your patch in a new version |
| 10:01.21 | xingu | tarzeau: would take a guess that if qrand() was manipulating 32bit type it wouldn't step off the end of prob[] but that's all, just a guess; will have a think about how to test the guess |
| 10:01.31 | eisen | is there a decent handwriting recognition for linux? |
| 10:01.41 | cast | eisen: unlikely |
| 10:01.47 | eisen | damn |
| 10:01.58 | blubberdiblub | piztek: if you have ls list the permission of the files in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers, are they all world readable? |
| 10:02.00 | piztek | eisen: maybe something you can use from windows through wine |
| 10:02.20 | tarzeau | cast: there is |
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| 10:02.26 | piztek | blubberdiblub: what command might i use for that? |
| 10:02.26 | eisen | piztek: hm, I doubt it would be well integrated with apps then |
| 10:02.32 | tarzeau | eisen: try the ones linked to at http://gnu.ethz.ch/ocr/ |
| 10:02.33 | blubberdiblub | piztek: ls -l |
| 10:02.44 | tarzeau | cast: oh wait, handwriting? well i'm sure they can be trained :) |
| 10:02.47 | cast | tarzeau: that forfill the word 'decent'? |
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| 10:03.07 | cast | eisen: yeah, you have to start writing in courier 14pt. |
| 10:03.11 | tarzeau | cast: ok maybe not decent |
| 10:03.15 | tarzeau | cast: hahah :) |
| 10:03.21 | eisen | not what I'm looking for in particular. |
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| 10:03.40 | eisen | it's meant to drive a tablet |
| 10:03.43 | piztek | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1473248 2007-01-04 22:37 nvidia_drv.o |
| 10:03.48 | piztek | oops |
| 10:04.05 | blubberdiblub | piztek: and that's the only file starting with "nvidia" in there, right? |
| 10:04.15 | blubberdiblub | ahaaa |
| 10:04.19 | blubberdiblub | it's .o |
| 10:04.23 | eisen | so I'm stuck with Vxxxx on this tablet :-( |
| 10:04.25 | piztek | blubberdiblub: right |
| 10:04.26 | blubberdiblub | not .so as you claimed |
| 10:04.40 | piztek | aw shoot |
| 10:04.41 | blubberdiblub | that's the problem then |
| 10:04.58 | piztek | blubberdiblub: i'm telling you, i can't see this font it's so small |
| 10:05.03 | blubberdiblub | you have a quite recent Xorg version, but an older nvidia-glx version |
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| 10:05.23 | blubberdiblub | the newer Xorg version won't load .o modules |
| 10:05.35 | piztek | ? |
| 10:05.39 | piztek | that stinks |
| 10:06.13 | piztek | blubberdiblub: how do you know these things? |
| 10:06.15 | blubberdiblub | well, that's the way it is. you're using too old nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-* packages |
| 10:06.24 | blubberdiblub | well, been there, done that ;) |
| 10:06.32 | piztek | :D |
| 10:06.34 | xingu | tarzeau: draw.c, 31 |
| 10:06.34 | piztek | nice |
| 10:06.37 | xingu | - p = a[prob[qrand() >> RANDSHIFT]]; |
| 10:06.37 | xingu | + p = a[prob[(qrand() & 0xFFFFFFFF) >> RANDSHIFT]]; |
| 10:06.46 | xingu | tarzeau: gross, but does the trick. |
| 10:06.52 | piztek | blubberdiblub: is it possible for me to update |
| 10:06.57 | xingu | tarzeau: don't know what other bugs are lurking tho |
| 10:07.03 | tarzeau | xingu: thanks :) did you test it? |
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| 10:07.24 | blubberdiblub | piztek: sure, tho i'm a bit reluctant about telling you the more recent nvidia packages are in the sid repository ;) |
| 10:07.37 | piztek | i'm on sid |
| 10:07.38 | piztek | lenny |
| 10:07.41 | piztek | i'm on lenny |
| 10:07.50 | xingu | tarzeau: yeah, but not hard enough; there's another one in drawprep.c:307, hmm, lets think |
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| 10:08.12 | subx | sid = unstable, lenny = testing, etch = stable |
| 10:08.19 | blubberdiblub | yeah ... if you'd be cautious enough, you could get the sid ones without affecting your remaining system :) |
| 10:08.24 | graytron | thinking? yiks |
| 10:08.26 | hyper_ch | hiho, is this possible: I want certain users on my sytem block from using perl |
| 10:08.29 | piztek | okay how do i update to sid |
| 10:08.29 | tarzeau | and sarge = oldstable. experimental has no other name |
| 10:08.34 | piztek | edit repos? |
| 10:08.58 | piztek | blubberdiblub: thanks for the help by the way |
| 10:09.00 | blubberdiblub | well, yes, but you could get the packages directly from the website to be on the safe side :) |
| 10:09.25 | subx | i installed a package from unstable once and ended up re-installing my whole system, be careful.. |
| 10:09.31 | piztek | eh lets risk it all |
| 10:09.45 | liable | no please |
| 10:10.20 | piztek | okay i may be able to solve this problem from here on out |
| 10:10.27 | piztek | i might be getting a new kernel |
| 10:10.28 | piztek | :D |
| 10:10.35 | blubberdiblub | piztek: but you would have to get the nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx thingy then. the recent non-legacy packages doesn't work for your card anymore. in sid, you'll in fact find the 96xx packages you weren't able before |
| 10:11.40 | blubberdiblub | piztek: use a .18 kernel. not .20 or above |
| 10:12.07 | piztek | will the driver option be nvidia in dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 10:12.15 | blubberdiblub | piztek: yes |
| 10:12.20 | piztek | sweet |
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| 10:14.38 | DawnLight | hello friends. i have here two rpm packages that may install a driver for my printer. how do i see whats inside of them? |
| 10:14.57 | pingouin | cast: still there ? |
| 10:15.40 | pingouin | can you try : C-a +/- ? to make the part you want grow/shrink |
| 10:15.41 | cast | pingouin: yes |
| 10:15.56 | cast | pingouin: nope. |
| 10:16.00 | xingu | tarzeau: can't reproduce now; is pointer arithmetic overflow, but fecked if I can untangle this and my gdb-fu is sorely lacking |
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| 10:16.28 | xingu | tarzeau: it's going to be a nightmare to track down where all the problems are, the code's riddled with side-effects and global vars. |
| 10:16.33 | pingouin | cast: no, like : i doesnt work ? |
| 10:16.39 | cast | it doesn't work |
| 10:16.42 | pingouin | ok |
| 10:16.43 | cast | for a start C-a - s another cmd |
| 10:17.24 | pingouin | cast: try resize |
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| 10:18.03 | pingouin | cast: http://info2html.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/info2html-demo/info2html?(screen.info.gz)Resize |
| 10:18.20 | tarzeau | xingu: hehe :) |
| 10:18.24 | tarzeau | xingu: then don't bother |
| 10:18.26 | xingu | tarzeau: I've occasionally wondered if the time is ripe for a GL offscreen context fractal generator; some of these gpu's thunder along, nice fast memory bus.. |
| 10:18.45 | tarzeau | xingu: looked at evolvotron yet? |
| 10:18.51 | xingu | tarzeau: about to :) |
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| 10:19.32 | xingu | ooh err, libqt3-mt hey |
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| 10:20.01 | piztek | update appears to be going smoothly |
| 10:20.07 | xingu | tarzeau: this widget set is very 4DWM |
| 10:20.28 | blubberdiblub | piztek: i hope you update as few packages as possible |
| 10:20.38 | piztek | blubberdiblub: why? |
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| 10:21.12 | blubberdiblub | piztek: well, i don't like you going all over to sid ;) i fear you aren't prepared for sid/unstable |
| 10:21.25 | piztek | if the system goes down, it's just another disk |
| 10:21.28 | pingouin | cast: sorry, i did some command that make me not able to talk anymore, did you write something back to me ? |
| 10:21.44 | pingouin | the C-a r seem to propose something |
| 10:23.38 | piztek | every fractal on screen |
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| 10:24.14 | piztek | blubberdiblub: what wm do you run? |
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| 10:24.24 | xingu | tarzeau: heh, I remember when it used to take days to throw out these kinds of images - watching fractint painting line by line down the screen :) |
| 10:24.46 | xingu | tarzeau: default size, it's taking maybe .5s to populate the whole grid on each click |
| 10:24.55 | tarzeau | xingu: :) |
| 10:25.00 | blubberdiblub | piztek: well, in fact i'm using a complete desktop environment. i like the comfort of it, but YMMV (it's kde) |
| 10:25.02 | tarzeau | xingu: apfelmaennchen on atari st or amiga... |
| 10:25.26 | piztek | i like kde |
| 10:25.59 | piztek | do you use krita? |
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| 10:26.23 | blubberdiblub | nope |
| 10:26.30 | piztek | gimp? |
| 10:26.49 | blubberdiblub | yes, but i rarely have to edit images :) |
| 10:27.00 | xingu | tarzeau: heh - enlarge -> custom size, maybe 2-3fps while solid dragging the thing about :) |
| 10:27.44 | cast | pingouin: did you go C-a C-s or maybe its just C-a s |
| 10:27.52 | xingu | tarzeau: ie while resizing I mean |
| 10:27.57 | piztek | i just made a cool little graphic i'm pretty proud of if anyone wants to check it out http://smith.bz/Smitty%202.jpg |
| 10:28.18 | pingouin | cast: just C-a r |
| 10:28.33 | pingouin | cast: by the way how do you navigate beetween 2 splitted window ? |
| 10:28.41 | cast | c-a tab |
| 10:29.33 | pingouin | good |
| 10:29.48 | piztek | wow icedove i don't use |
| 10:30.04 | pingouin | so when i do C-a r i got a +wrap -wrap that appears....but i dont success to pass it number |
| 10:30.06 | piztek | does anyone know how to start galeon without the previous session jumble? |
| 10:30.11 | pingouin | 15 |
| 10:30.15 | pingouin | like this :/ |
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| 10:32.15 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 10:32.19 | HardDisk_WP | can anyone please point me to a Debian Lenny package for VLC? It's currently not in testing :( |
| 10:32.52 | cahoot | debian.multimedia.org or such? |
| 10:33.30 | liable | vlc should be in main |
| 10:33.39 | liable | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 10:33.39 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 10:33.45 | liable | HardDisk_WP: ^^ |
| 10:33.56 | liable | see what that has to say about it |
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| 10:35.44 | HardDisk_WP | i dont really understand what it says... |
| 10:35.45 | HardDisk_WP | does it mean vlc depends on some stuff thats not in testing yet? |
| 10:37.01 | liable | appears so |
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| 10:41.32 | piztek | liable do you boot with numlock on? |
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| 10:42.11 | piztek | blubberdiblub: do you? |
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| 10:42.19 | GrahamA | Hey, I'm running a Debian server with MySQL but I'm having trouble using mysql administrator to connect to it, gives me error 2005, but mysql does exist, any idea? |
| 10:42.25 | liable | no |
| 10:42.47 | wij32 | hey, im using irssi, i made a few changes to config file and now when i load the client it takes about a minute to launch in the shell, i apt-get removed and re-installed but same prob, any ideas? |
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| 10:43.00 | blubberdiblub | piztek: what difference does that make? |
| 10:43.18 | liable | wij32: which config file? |
| 10:43.23 | piztek | because others are more knowledgable about preferences |
| 10:43.26 | wij32 | the /set things |
| 10:43.33 | wij32 | just like username, hostname, nick |
| 10:43.33 | wij32 | etc |
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| 10:43.48 | liable | just remove your ~/.irssi dir |
| 10:44.15 | wij32 | ok, il try that. should i apt-get remove irssi frist aswell? |
| 10:44.24 | blubberdiblub | piztek: huh? i don't get you. i rarely use the numpad. especially not for inputting numbers ;) so i prefer having numlock unset |
| 10:44.32 | liable | no, just remove it, then restart irssi |
| 10:44.41 | wij32 | ok, thanks |
| 10:44.53 | piztek | blubberdiblub: but do you use the numpad for it's other functions? |
| 10:45.04 | piztek | right, left, up and down? |
| 10:45.25 | blubberdiblub | piztek: rarely. only for some special games when i have already assigned the normal cursor keys |
| 10:45.38 | HardDisk_WP | GrahamA, did you try sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start? |
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| 10:45.49 | HardDisk_WP | AFAIR 2005 means it can't connect |
| 10:46.01 | wij32 | liable: thanks. |
| 10:46.06 | HardDisk_WP | connection refused...which is typical for a not started daemon |
| 10:46.06 | piztek | i've always had it on, but i think i'll try it with it off, just wanna get a feel for it |
| 10:46.09 | liable | np |
| 10:46.51 | piztek | did anyone check out my art? |
| 10:47.02 | pingouin | cast: you got it ? |
| 10:47.10 | cast | nope. |
| 10:47.32 | piztek | http://smith.bz/Smitty%202.jpg |
| 10:47.37 | blubberdiblub | piztek: yes, but things like that are better suited for #debian-offtopic i think ;) |
| 10:47.40 | piztek | made with gimp |
| 10:47.48 | pingouin | cast: to past to resize command , you have to do C-A (so ctrl+shift+a) then :resize |
| 10:47.48 | piztek | yes, sorry |
| 10:47.57 | pingouin | cast: it woooooookkkkkssssss !!! |
| 10:48.03 | GrahamA | HardDisk_WP: It's running. |
| 10:48.21 | cast | fuck. urxvt is intercepting ctrl-shift |
| 10:48.24 | HardDisk_WP | strange. did you try mysql commandline client? |
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| 10:48.49 | SerajewelKS | sensors saves my ass again |
| 10:48.56 | SerajewelKS | PSU fan blew -_- |
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| 10:49.43 | GrahamA | HardDisk_WP: I can login to MySQL through SSH |
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| 10:50.24 | piztek | blubberdiblub: can i now still run nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-amd64? |
| 10:50.26 | HardDisk_WP | GrahamA, do you run MySQL on some webserver in the internet and want to connect to it from home? |
| 10:50.29 | pingouin | cast : the shift is not necessary sorry |
| 10:50.40 | GrahamA | HardDisk_WP: No, It's on the same network upstairs. |
| 10:50.52 | pingouin | cast: just ctrl+a then :resize +5 to go 5 more lines in the current window split |
| 10:51.06 | cast | pingouin: hey, awesome. thanks :) |
| 10:51.17 | HardDisk_WP | GrahamA, then check (PhpMyAdmin is a real good help!) if the login for you ruser is restricted to localhost |
| 10:51.21 | tarzeau | how can i only list all files with only one dash in the name? |
| 10:51.38 | GrahamA | HardDisk_WP: But I don't want it to be restricted to localhost. |
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| 10:51.49 | piztek | blubberdiblub: ? |
| 10:51.54 | blubberdiblub | piztek: no, use nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.18-4-whatever instead |
| 10:52.11 | piztek | but thats not for my card |
| 10:52.15 | HardDisk_WP | GrahamA, right...so install phpmyadmin on the server host and then change the permission. but be warned, this is a security hole |
| 10:52.36 | piztek | that 96xx supports the 7600? |
| 10:52.40 | GrahamA | But if I can change permission with that, I can do it without, and I'd rather save myself the hassle |
| 10:52.49 | blubberdiblub | piztek: it is |
| 10:53.00 | piztek | okay, okay. |
| 10:53.06 | blubberdiblub | piztek: yes, the recent -96xx- does support the 7600 gs, and only that |
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| 10:53.41 | blubberdiblub | i mean only the -96xx- ;) the non-legacy doesn't |
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| 10:54.35 | blubberdiblub | piztek: you have to use the nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx then as well, to match it up |
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| 10:55.43 | HardDisk_WP | GrahamA, you must change the allowed hosts. how you do it, is your thing...but phpmyadmin is lot easier |
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| 10:55.58 | GrahamA | HardDisk_WP: Thanks. |
| 10:56.07 | HardDisk_WP | np |
| 10:57.31 | piztek | blubberdiblub: okay |
| 10:59.09 | piztek | blubberdiblub: nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-1.0.9639 but it is not installable |
| 11:00.25 | blubberdiblub | piztek: why is it not installable? i fear because of you using a 64bit kernel ... (you only mentioned that a short while ago) |
| 11:00.47 | piztek | uh oh |
| 11:01.01 | piztek | yes i am |
| 11:01.52 | xand | what ports do I need to open on firewall for an NFS client? |
| 11:03.03 | blubberdiblub | piztek: you might want to install the kernel header for your kernel, nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source, and building the package with module-assistant. but i don't know if it will work with a 64bit system then. but it's worth a try anyways |
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| 11:05.50 | piztek | okay |
| 11:06.13 | xingu | 7600gs/7600gt are supported in 100.14.11 if you can live with xorg-hangs-on-session-logout |
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| 11:06.41 | xingu | not sure why you'd be mucking about with -legacy- on that hardware but anyway |
| 11:08.10 | blubberdiblub | xingu, piztek: it does support it? i was unaware of that, sorry |
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| 11:10.03 | pingouiin | xingu: what is this xorg-hangs-on-session-logout ? |
| 11:10.40 | piztek | i'm getting an error that a package has unmet dependencies, but the depending package is installed |
| 11:11.06 | xingu | pingouiin: desktop hangs, mouse cursor responsive; reasonably well documented in bug reports on nvnews forums. |
| 11:11.47 | pingouiin | xingu: ok, thanks gonna look after that |
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| 11:12.29 | blubberdiblub | piztek: maybe not the right version. dependencies can be quite strict about versions at times, you know |
| 11:12.48 | piztek | but it is the correct version |
| 11:13.49 | piztek | Depends: nvidia-kernel-100.14.11 but it is not installable |
| 11:14.10 | piztek | and nvidia-source is installed and it is that version -1 |
| 11:14.16 | piztek | 100.14.11-1 |
| 11:14.32 | blubberdiblub | ah, yes, but that doesn't suffice |
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| 11:14.48 | piztek | nvidia-kernel-source |
| 11:14.53 | blubberdiblub | you have to build the binary package first, with module-assistant, and install the resulting package |
| 11:15.04 | piztek | 100.14.11-1 |
| 11:15.15 | piztek | what! i've never done that before |
| 11:15.21 | blubberdiblub | it's easy |
| 11:15.31 | piztek | what! how can you find that easy |
| 11:15.49 | blubberdiblub | well, module-assistant makes it easy :) it's like a one-command thingy :) |
| 11:16.04 | Kjikaqawej | !tell piztek -about nvidia one-liner |
| 11:16.35 | piztek | but i don't understand why it's not installing if it's the correct version |
| 11:16.40 | piztek | broken package |
| 11:16.51 | blubberdiblub | because it needs the binary package |
| 11:16.57 | blubberdiblub | look at the error line more closely |
| 11:17.24 | tarzeau | sussudio: ping |
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| 11:19.16 | xingu | blubberdiblub: legacy 9xxx is presently 9639 which transitions support for gf2mx, gf3, gf4, quadra4 from the main branch. |
| 11:20.02 | piztek | blubberdiblub: Depends: nvidia-kernel-100.14.11 but it is not installable nvidia-kernel-100.14-11-1 IS installed! |
| 11:20.08 | Gnea | hey everyone, usually I can solve printer issues, but today that is not so. have an HP PSC 1310 (usb) on a SID system that refuses to print anything but web pages and text files (PDF and PS files will not print), I have found an error of "cupsdAuthorize: No authentication data provided." and searched the bug site but there was no real solution other than to upgrade cups, but i'm using 1.2.7-1 the latest |
| 11:20.17 | xingu | blubberdiblub: if 100.11.14 is undesirable for other reasons the next-best is 9755 for ~current hardware which should still be in the pool. |
| 11:20.32 | blubberdiblub | piztek: well, look at the ending of the package names ;) |
| 11:20.56 | Gnea | reinstalled the printer and made sure that it doesn't require a user/pass to print, and yet it still complains about it... PDF files should print no matter what |
| 11:21.04 | xingu | blubberdiblub: and yes it's more confusing than it has any need to be, but hey, welcome to vendor hell. |
| 11:21.11 | piztek | blubberdiblub: what, source? |
| 11:21.35 | blubberdiblub | piztek: nvidia-kernel-100.14.11 != nvidia-kernel-100.14-11-1 |
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| 11:21.55 | Gnea | did i miss something with cups awhile back? |
| 11:21.58 | piztek | so it's ahead of it's time? |
| 11:22.06 | piztek | blubberdiblub: what am I to do? |
| 11:23.25 | xingu | !nvidia legacy |
| 11:23.25 | dpkg | well, nvidia legacy is bloody confusing - see http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_32667.html |
| 11:23.30 | xingu | there you go. :) |
| 11:23.34 | piztek | lol |
| 11:24.13 | blubberdiblub | well, the legacy driver works for me ... and it should work for the 7600, according to the readme. that much i know ;) |
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| 11:24.45 | matthew-_ | grrr, why is it, this morning, that in sid i386, portmap and nfs-common now can't be uninstalled? |
| 11:25.11 | xingu | blubberdiblub: 100.11.14 comes with the exciting prospect of gpu-side font antialiasing; if you're using kde/qt, you probably want it. |
| 11:25.25 | piztek | will the nvidia-kernel be updated |
| 11:25.40 | xingu | matthew-_: apt-cache rdepends --installed portmap |
| 11:26.21 | blubberdiblub | xingu: well, worth a consideration, but right now, i can do without hyper speed font rendering in kde ;) |
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| 11:27.29 | xingu | blubberdiblub: just out of interest does your gpu shit itself with Xid errors from time to time leaving your desktop partially hosed? |
| 11:27.45 | xingu | blubberdiblub: if so you can be my test bunny; if not, forget I asked. |
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| 11:28.14 | MangosDebian | morn'n' |
| 11:28.28 | blubberdiblub | xingu: erm, i don't have any problems with my gpu whatsoever :) it works as stable as it can be ^_^ |
| 11:29.08 | matthew-_ | nfs-common - Reverse Depends: mount; portmap - Reverse Depends: nfs-common |
| 11:29.44 | matthew-_ | fascinating that mount doesn't depend on nfs-common in amd64 |
| 11:30.19 | matthew-_ | (2.13~rc2-3 vs 2.12r-19) |
| 11:30.55 | matthew-_ | so this is good, mount is now a security risk as it forces portmap to be installed. |
| 11:30.55 | blubberdiblub | xingu: but i'm using the legacy-96xx. maybe it's not an issue there |
| 11:31.38 | xingu | blubberdiblub: the thing I'm thinking of, is. :) |
| 11:31.57 | piztek | so 100.14.11-1 is less than 100.14.11 |
| 11:32.16 | xingu | how do you get from "depends on portmap" to "security risk" ? |
| 11:32.21 | blubberdiblub | piztek: no, it's supposed to be a more recent version |
| 11:32.22 | xingu | is portmap buggy? |
| 11:32.36 | piztek | like how much more recent? |
| 11:32.53 | blubberdiblub | piztek: a tiny weeny bit only |
| 11:33.26 | blubberdiblub | piztek: supposedly only bugfixes or somesuch |
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| 11:33.51 | matthew-_ | xingu: probably. Has anyone proved it's not? |
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| 11:34.13 | matthew-_ | xingu: if I don't need it, it shouldn't be installed. This is security 101. |
| 11:35.12 | piztek | i guess i'll stop bitching and wait |
| 11:35.21 | matthew-_ | xingu: sorry, I don't mean to sound angry and patronising. I just dislike it when some dependencies change and I can't now remove packages that I explicitly removed previously |
| 11:35.22 | piztek | it's not like i'm coding this so nicely for everyone |
| 11:36.14 | piztek | how do you start galeon disregaurding all the session crap |
| 11:36.36 | blubberdiblub | piztek: maybe, yes, but as i said, if you're getting the nvidia-*-source, you have to build the binary package first with module-assistant (and install the result), before the corresponding nvidia-glx package would install, anyways |
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| 11:38.05 | MangosDebian | xingu: i wouldnt put it past portmap givin its history |
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| 11:38.31 | piztek | oh so really i'm waiting for nvidia-kernel |
| 11:38.36 | xingu | matthew-_: ok so what's changed is the upstream is util-linux-ng which has finally been resuscitated. |
| 11:38.48 | MangosDebian | xingu: the fact that every hacking howto ever written, starts off with it as an example can't be a good thing :) |
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| 11:39.12 | xingu | matthew-_: my guess would be that you have more to fear from an old version of mount from the previously (patchily) maintained util-linux than from a dep on portmap |
| 11:39.13 | piztek | do any sid repos have it? |
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| 11:39.34 | xingu | matthew-_: however, because I'm piqued, I'm taking a look to see if I can work out what the real dep actually is |
| 11:39.37 | blubberdiblub | piztek: yeah, i think you can do with the nv driver for now, tho without 3d acceleration. but the advantage is, that driver is supposed to be much cleaner in every regard ;) |
| 11:39.46 | xingu | MangosDebian: *snore* :) |
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| 11:40.06 | matthew-_ | xingu: many thanks :) I guess I should be more forgiving given that I'm tracking sid anyway |
| 11:40.09 | xingu | MangosDebian: you think it's a good or a bad idea to waste someone's time who's only source of information is those same howtos? |
| 11:40.16 | MangosDebian | xingu: hush, im only 2 sips into my....wtf?! decaf?! ;) |
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| 11:40.58 | piztek | blubberdiblub: hey thanks for the help, how long do you think it will take for it to get released? do you have any information on this? |
| 11:41.20 | matthew-_ | xingu: right, so this is actually a pain for me because it's on linux-vserver where each guest has a non-127.0.0.1 loopback. Which means that if portmap comes in, I have to reconfigure each one to use the correct loopback |
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| 11:41.42 | blubberdiblub | piztek: no, sorry |
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| 11:43.04 | matthew-_ | quite why all packages assume that loopback is 127.0.0.1 rather than checking /etc/hosts or /etc/network/interfaces is beyond me |
| 11:43.14 | xingu | matthew-_: that sounds like a cool bug to raise. :) |
| 11:44.56 | piztek | so there just isn't even an nvidia-kernel in repos yet for sid, but there should be? |
| 11:45.13 | piztek | or i should be building from the source package |
| 11:45.19 | piztek | i'd prefer to wait incase i'm to mess up |
| 11:45.37 | matthew-_ | xingu: actually, just running ifconfig lo would be easiest and most reliable |
| 11:45.42 | liable | i would just use the nvidia package myself |
| 11:45.59 | xingu | matthew-_: or ip a s lo |
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| 11:46.04 | matthew-_ | yup |
| 11:46.05 | liable | its not like you actually get real support for the debian package anyway |
| 11:46.10 | matthew-_ | mmm. I guess that's a lot of packages to file this bug against! |
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| 11:46.49 | matthew-_ | eg, lighttpd got updated and suggested a new config, with 127.0.0.1 all over the place. All the default config files would have to be parameterisable... |
| 11:47.07 | liable | mount depends on portmap? |
| 11:47.17 | matthew-_ | mount depends on nfs-common |
| 11:47.21 | matthew-_ | nfs-common depends on portmap |
| 11:47.36 | matthew-_ | (latest version in sid i386) |
| 11:47.36 | pumpkin0 | matthew-_: it would cause headaches, but it would not change a something for most people. You sure ? |
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| 11:48.08 | liable | i have always hated nfs shit being installed by default and thus portmap |
| 11:48.17 | matthew-_ | pumpkin0: err, what? Certainly it'd just add a load of work to achieve no change for 99.9% of people |
| 11:48.30 | liable | and now java requires mdns as well which is just super |
| 11:48.33 | matthew-_ | pumpkin0: and the remaining 0.1% probably know what they're doing anyway and can work around it |
| 11:49.09 | unsolo_ | its openssh-server one is supposed to install right ? |
| 11:49.17 | liable | yes |
| 11:49.18 | pumpkin0 | matthew-_: see my point ? Don't upset a lot of devs for a very small, unimportant change... |
| 11:49.25 | xingu | matthew-_: this dep was "fixed" before in 2.13~rc1-2 per changelog. |
| 11:49.33 | liable | unsolo_: if you want a ssh server.. |
| 11:49.37 | matthew-_ | pumpkin0: yep yep, I wasn't really being serious |
| 11:49.47 | unsolo_ | liable: i do however it doesnt start properly at boot |
| 11:49.49 | matthew-_ | pumpkin0: I'm not actually going to mass file a bug report on this |
| 11:50.01 | pumpkin0 | matthew-_: umpf... :) |
| 11:50.04 | liable | unsolo_: so give us the errors in a paste |
| 11:50.20 | xingu | pumpkin0: it is fodder for a policy discussion though for lenny release. |
| 11:50.22 | unsolo_ | liable: no errors it simply wasnt running properly when i started it up |
| 11:50.25 | xingu | pumpkin0: it is damn sloppy. :) |
| 11:50.37 | liable | unsolo_: define properly |
| 11:50.41 | matthew-_ | it does seem odd that localhost is a class A network |
| 11:50.48 | unsolo_ | liable: as in not running at all |
| 11:50.54 | matthew-_ | and yet it's hardcoded as 127.0.0.1 |
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| 11:51.12 | xingu | matthew-_: err, it's self-evident that 127.0.0.1 is a class a network |
| 11:51.23 | unsolo_ | and when i start it using /etc/init.d/ssh it still doesnt seem to work |
| 11:51.24 | liable | unsolo_: if it didnt start, it should have said why, have you checked /etc/default? |
| 11:51.28 | xingu | matthew-_: check the bitmask of the first octet |
| 11:51.36 | matthew-_ | xingu: yeah quite |
| 11:51.48 | liable | i dont think sshd has a file in there from memory, but.. |
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| 11:52.00 | liable | i am getting old and my brain is failing |
| 11:52.10 | liable | flailing too |
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| 11:52.43 | matthew-_ | xingu: yes, I'm seeing that " Fix nfs-common dependency" for "util-linux (2.13~rc1-2)", but it's sure been "unfixed" for util-linux (2.13~rc2-3) |
| 11:52.48 | xingu | matthew-_: ok so the real bug is that there isn't a mount.nfs |
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| 11:53.24 | xingu | matthew-_: it's internal to the mount binary; so if you don't dep nfs-common you get one kind of breakage (nfs client case) and if you do dep it you get another kind. |
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| 11:54.22 | xingu | matthew-_: suggestion for the totality of your bug report - draw attention to that changelog entry, suggest that the long term answer is mount vs mount.nfs, and ask for the dep to be re-undepped again |
| 11:54.40 | matthew-_ | xingu: many thanks indeed. Will give that a go. |
| 11:54.42 | xingu | matthew-_: in the mean time put the package on hold or nmu it locally -= the dep |
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| 11:56.13 | piztek | thanks again blubberdiblub |
| 11:56.16 | xingu | util-linux is a pigsty; hopefully it will get less so now that it'd being loved again |
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| 11:56.45 | unsolo_ | liable: its a ssh file in there |
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| 11:57.08 | blubberdiblub | piztek: well, no problem, tho i regret that we didn't achieve your actual goal |
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| 11:57.49 | liable | unsolo_: fixed then? |
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| 11:58.16 | piztek | i just gotta get this other package from thlater on |
| 11:58.29 | unsolo_ | you simply symlink init.d to default right ? |
| 11:58.32 | piztek | nvidia-kernel |
| 11:58.36 | unsolo_ | i mean ssh |
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| 11:59.03 | liable | huh? no |
| 11:59.05 | unsolo_ | hmm no thats not whats wrong. |
| 11:59.13 | liable | you edit the file |
| 11:59.26 | unsolo_ | i dont need to pass any options to it do i |
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| 12:00.03 | liable | no, i got off my lazy ass and read the file, it has nothing to do with it |
| 12:00.05 | xingu | piztek: what does apt-get install nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` think? |
| 12:00.07 | liable | brb |
| 12:00.17 | xingu | piztek: or aptitude equiv if you're using that |
| 12:00.22 | eleftherios | I have an HP nx8220 laptop with testing. Hibernate and suspend don't work at all, any ideas? The machine closes when I choose either but then, when I press the power on button it just boots from scratch. |
| 12:00.50 | xingu | piztek: nb, nvidia-kernel-100.14.11 is a virtual package Provides:' by the -kernel- package |
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| 12:01.54 | piztek | so? |
| 12:02.09 | xingu | piztek: so what does apt-get install nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` say |
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| 12:02.44 | piztek | couldn't find any package |
| 12:02.53 | xingu | piztek: and what is uname -r ? |
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| 12:03.43 | piztek | 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 12:04.03 | xingu | hmm, that's a bit ancient ;) |
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| 12:04.28 | xingu | piztek: ok for you soup nazi says: update-pciids; m-a update; m-a a-i nvidia |
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| 12:05.10 | unsolo_ | ahh there it is |
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| 12:05.26 | fasta | Where does fetchmail store the mail it fetches? |
| 12:05.32 | unsolo_ | seems there might have been a conflict between having the same nat network range as the network it was on |
| 12:05.45 | fasta | fetchmail: SMTP< 354 Enter message, ending with "." on a line by itself |
| 12:05.45 | fasta | #************************.**fetchmail: SMTP>. (EOM) |
| 12:05.45 | fasta | fetchmail: SMTP< 250 OK id=1IF7Wb-0002Oy-1W not flushed |
| 12:06.03 | fasta | I also get that message, which seems to some kind of eror. |
| 12:06.06 | fasta | error* |
| 12:06.12 | unsolo_ | like 192.168.1.15 as eth0 with 192.168.1.0 as eth1 |
| 12:06.26 | xingu | piztek: actually you need apt-get install module-asstant; update-pciids; m-a prepare; m-a update; m-a a-i nvidia |
| 12:06.33 | xingu | piztek: let us know how you get on with that lot. |
| 12:06.42 | xingu | assistant |
| 12:07.17 | abrotman | xingu: the kernel append line didn't fix it by itself ... |
| 12:07.21 | piztek | xingu: it went through but complained something wasn't there |
| 12:07.39 | MangosDebian | xingu: m-a update can get newer versions of modules than what ship with debian? |
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| 12:08.31 | xingu | MangosDebian: it's tricky stuff. :) |
| 12:09.07 | MangosDebian | xingu: serious though? ive only used m-a once for something. didn't know it was designed to grab newest versions though. thats kinda cool |
| 12:09.09 | xingu | piztek: ok; do you have a nvidia-kernel-...deb in your working directory? |
| 12:09.37 | piztek | i don't know |
| 12:09.38 | xingu | MangosDebian: it relies on an up-to-date module source package like nvidia-kernel-source being installed |
| 12:09.45 | xingu | piztek: ls nvidia-kernel*deb |
| 12:10.04 | bullium | good morning all |
| 12:10.13 | piztek | no such file or directory |
| 12:10.27 | MangosDebian | xingu: ahh, so you your just preparing the newest source tarball to turn it into a m-a module so you can patch then? |
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| 12:11.35 | MangosDebian | xingu: for a minute there I was thinking it was like apt-get update+upgrade where it would go online and grab the "latest/unstable" copy of the module or something. still cool though. m-a is on my todo list if you can't tell |
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| 12:12.11 | piztek | xingu: I can easily wait and use the nv kernel |
| 12:12.14 | xingu | piztek: ok so you might need apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 12:12.52 | xingu | MangosDebian: it's a pretty reasonable approximation within the constraints of upstream->pool->local system |
| 12:13.14 | xingu | MangosDebian: more to the point, you can *uninstall* the resulting braindamage fairly easily. :) |
| 12:13.28 | piztek | couldn't find package |
| 12:13.58 | xingu | piztek: no linux-headers? hmm... 2s. |
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| 12:14.54 | xingu | piztek: this is the downside to running unstable but not updating it regularly. |
| 12:15.10 | Guilt | hi ppl. |
| 12:15.20 | Guilt | myself and a friend have installed debian... |
| 12:15.33 | Guilt | we need to create a large number of users with the passwords we generate. |
| 12:15.46 | Guilt | we have a script for that. but it relies on passwd --stdin |
| 12:15.53 | liable | he has a 18 kernel running sid.. |
| 12:16.03 | Guilt | but the debian's passwd utility has no such thing. |
| 12:16.11 | Guilt | do you guys have any suggestions for that? |
| 12:16.33 | abrotman | Guilt: what about useradd/adduser ? |
| 12:16.35 | fasta | Where does fetchmail place the mail it receives by default? |
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| 12:17.01 | MangosDebian | Guilt: for loop + mkpassword + adduser? |
| 12:17.06 | cydork | Guilt: check chpasswd |
| 12:17.39 | MangosDebian | err mkpasswd even |
| 12:17.55 | abrotman | chpasswd should do it |
| 12:18.17 | Guilt | sweet :D |
| 12:18.19 | Guilt | \o/ |
| 12:18.46 | abrotman | dude .. what's mine say? |
| 12:18.57 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 12:19.07 | usr_deb | hello everybody !!! ;) |
| 12:19.28 | cydork | abrotman: sweet. what does mine say? :P |
| 12:19.33 | xingu | piztek: ok so 2.6.18-4 has dropped out of the pool completely; you can wait forever and you won't be seeing a precompiled nvidia module; your choice at the moment is to update linux-image-2.6-amd64 which will get 2.6.22-1-amd64 installed. |
| 12:19.34 | abrotman | dude .. what's mine say? |
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| 12:19.55 | xingu | piztek: again this is one of the downsides to not tracking unstable. |
| 12:20.09 | piztek | xingu: but i didn't see that package in synaptic |
| 12:20.13 | cydork | abrotman: SWEET! . what does mine say? |
| 12:20.21 | liable | !dude |
| 12:20.21 | dpkg | like, y'knoow. |
| 12:20.24 | abrotman | xingu: what can't he find ? |
| 12:20.26 | xingu | piztek: you need to update your package indicies then |
| 12:20.30 | Guilt | :q! |
| 12:20.30 | Guilt | ls |
| 12:20.31 | abrotman | cydork: we should probably stop now :) |
| 12:20.36 | Guilt | ERM. SORRY |
| 12:20.37 | abrotman | Guilt: wrong window |
| 12:20.37 | xingu | abrotman: linux-kernel-headers 2.6.18-4 in sid. :) |
| 12:20.42 | cydork | abrotman: heh yah i guess. :P |
| 12:20.42 | Guilt | ERM ;) |
| 12:20.43 | xingu | abrotman: amd64 |
| 12:20.47 | abrotman | xingu: uhm .. no .. :) |
| 12:20.51 | xingu | abrotman: :) |
| 12:20.53 | blubberdiblub | xingu: hmm, is that image without paravirt support or have the paravirt issues concerning nvidia (licensing problem) been resolved? |
| 12:21.04 | MangosDebian | Guilt: damn, how come they never login in this window :) |
| 12:21.07 | xingu | blubberdiblub: 2.6.22 should be fine on that score |
| 12:21.08 | piztek | xingu: could you please tell me what repo to add? |
| 12:21.18 | blubberdiblub | xingu: ah, that's good news :) |
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| 12:21.24 | abrotman | WOOHOO .. who's ready for some nascar! |
| 12:21.31 | Guilt | lol :D |
| 12:21.54 | xingu | piztek: probably http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ |
| 12:21.56 | enouf | blubberdiblub: yeah, heard .22 fixes that issue, .20/.21 have it |
| 12:21.57 | MangosDebian | Guilt: oh the dangers of 2+ keyboards :) |
| 12:21.59 | abrotman | piztek: why are you running a 2.6.18 on sid ? |
| 12:22.17 | abrotman | MangosDebian: synergy2 |
| 12:22.26 | piztek | abrotman: i just updated |
| 12:22.28 | enouf | I run 2.6.16-2.686 on sid :-P |
| 12:22.29 | MangosDebian | abrotman: never heard of it |
| 12:22.33 | abrotman | piztek: have a metapackage installed |
| 12:22.38 | abrotman | !info synergy2 etch |
| 12:22.39 | blubberdiblub | abrotman: well, seems that was my fault. didn't know the paravirt issue was fixed in .22 |
| 12:22.51 | abrotman | !info synergy etch |
| 12:22.55 | dpkg | synergy: (Share mouse, keyboard and clipboard over the network), section net, is optional. Version: 1.3.1-2 (etch), Packaged size: 610 kB, Installed size: 1492 kB |
| 12:23.14 | abrotman | and it works with windows and mac and linux |
| 12:23.34 | xingu | does it do vrml? :) |
| 12:23.46 | MangosDebian | abrotman: hmm, sounds interesting |
| 12:24.00 | usr_deb | how to activate file sharing ?? |
| 12:24.16 | abrotman | Wonder Twin Powers Activate! |
| 12:24.24 | MangosDebian | lol |
| 12:24.26 | enouf | haha |
| 12:24.27 | xingu | form of a hungover sysadmin! |
| 12:24.32 | MangosDebian | abrotman: carlos mencia? |
| 12:24.39 | piztek | xingu: i believe i have that repo |
| 12:24.42 | abrotman | MangosDebian: no .. i'm still sleepy |
| 12:25.06 | xingu | piztek: then once you've updated your package list, you should have linux-image-2.6-amd64 available |
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| 12:26.00 | Guilt | okay guys. that was so great! thank you! :D will come here soon.. bbye now. |
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| 12:26.44 | enouf | piztek: does apt-get update && apt-cache search linux-headers-* return what you need? |
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| 12:27.38 | enouf | xingu: or does he need specifically linux-kernel-xxxx for whatever nvidia crap? (i only use "nv") |
| 12:27.46 | piztek | i see linux-headers-2.6.22.1 |
| 12:28.30 | xingu | enouf: he hasn't updated since 2.6.18-4-amd64 was a new thing in sid; oddly enough, we're finding it a little difficult to find a prebuilt driver, or build one without kernel headers. :) |
| 12:28.55 | enouf | xingu: i see .. heh |
| 12:29.04 | enouf | how odd :-P |
| 12:29.08 | xingu | enouf: so he's basically screwed short of cactchy-uppee; libc6 has changed once or twice since then too ;) |
| 12:30.05 | liable | xingu: he only just upgraded to sid |
| 12:31.12 | piztek | so install the linux-headers-2.6.22.1 and then proceed with the make? |
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| 12:31.26 | abrotman | why can't piztek use the kernel in sid ? |
| 12:31.28 | liable | you need the kernel too. |
| 12:31.55 | fasta | Permission denied: creating lock file hitching post /var/mail/ |
| 12:31.58 | liable | he was runny lenny, which was prolly upgraded from etch, and still has a 18 kernel, he just upgraded to sid |
| 12:31.58 | piztek | i'll wait, i'm not that great at compiling |
| 12:32.05 | fasta | What permissions does it need? |
| 12:32.38 | liable | piztek: what kernel are you running now? |
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| 12:32.46 | abrotman | why is he compiling ? |
| 12:32.51 | piztek | 2.6.18-4 |
| 12:32.55 | liable | right |
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| 12:33.01 | liable | upgrade your kernel |
| 12:33.03 | blubberdiblub | liable, abrotman, piztek: may it be that he didn't reboot yet? |
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| 12:33.20 | piztek | but i don't see a new one |
| 12:33.22 | abrotman | piztek: dpkg -l linux-image* .. how many are ii |
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| 12:34.11 | piztek | ooh i see the 22 |
| 12:34.23 | abrotman | is it actually installed ? |
| 12:34.52 | piztek | yes |
| 12:35.01 | piztek | set to manual install? |
| 12:35.17 | abrotman | have you rebooted in awhile ? |
| 12:35.29 | piztek | abrotman: not since the update |
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| 12:35.41 | abrotman | argh |
| 12:35.49 | piztek | i will now |
| 12:35.50 | piztek | brb |
| 12:36.26 | Noborusan | does anyone know in debian if stuff will be cleaned under /tmp after a reboot ? |
| 12:36.26 | xand | oh it's *him* |
| 12:36.30 | blubberdiblub | abrotman: yummy :) |
| 12:36.37 | xand | Noborusan: yes |
| 12:36.38 | abrotman | Noborusan: yes |
| 12:36.43 | enouf | Noborusan: default is yes |
| 12:36.46 | Noborusan | I see |
| 12:36.58 | liable | um, yes! |
| 12:37.07 | Noborusan | so its weird,how come they would create a php caching folder under /tmp then |
| 12:37.14 | enouf | xand: you caught that too ;-) |
| 12:37.19 | abrotman | Noborusan: they wouldn't .. one of your apps is |
| 12:37.24 | xand | Noborusan: servers are rarely rebooted anyway |
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| 12:37.32 | abrotman | servers are running sid ? |
| 12:37.40 | xand | loffle |
| 12:37.48 | liable | who said that? |
| 12:37.55 | Noborusan | okay,thanks,i should create it somewhere else |
| 12:38.04 | asg | abrotman: older php4 on woody stored session data in /tmp. Now, session data is stored in /var/tmp |
| 12:38.16 | asg | abrotman: sorry, /var/lib/php* |
| 12:38.22 | abrotman | asg: sure .. that's configurable .. but someone has to hit the web server first IIRC |
| 12:38.34 | fasta | Never mind |
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| 12:38.58 | abrotman | did he say something ? |
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| 12:41.17 | lightning | back |
| 12:41.28 | lightning | what next |
| 12:41.59 | lightning | sweet, running the 2.6-22 |
| 12:42.09 | lightning | 2.6.22 |
| 12:42.11 | abrotman | try again for whatever you were trying to do before you realized you couldn't get headers |
| 12:42.13 | Hoxzer | lol |
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| 12:45.46 | xingu | lightning: ok; so now you need apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`; m-a a-i nvidia |
| 12:46.44 | abrotman | m-a a-i should do that if needed |
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| 12:49.20 | lightning | okay, that was cool, and it finished |
| 12:49.22 | lightning | quickly |
| 12:50.01 | lightning | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
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| 12:50.20 | VivekVC | How do i change my locale settings ? |
| 12:50.27 | asg | VivekVC: /msg dpkg locales |
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| 12:51.28 | lightning | xingu: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg isn't showing it |
| 12:51.49 | lightning | isn't displaying nvidia |
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| 12:53.53 | lightning | is "rendition" the label it obtained? |
| 12:54.08 | xingu | no, that's something else again |
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| 12:54.51 | xingu | lightning: is nvidia-xconfig installed? I hand baked my own xorg.conf years back. :) |
| 12:54.51 | fasta | I want to set smtp_accept_queue_per_connection = 0 in Exim4, but since Debian has changed all kinds of things, I am not sure where to put it. Where should I put it? |
| 12:55.08 | xingu | lightning: also, nvidia-glx needs to be installed too |
| 12:55.17 | fasta | I thought /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 12:55.29 | asg | fasta: are you using the split config? |
| 12:55.41 | lightning | package nvidia-glx has no install candidates |
| 12:55.47 | fasta | asg: there are multiple files for routing etc, so, I think, yes. |
| 12:56.22 | asg | fasta: /etc/exim4/conf.d/main/01_exim4-config_listmacrosdefs (put it after the #### MAIN CONFIGURATION ####) bit and run update-exim4.conf |
| 12:56.29 | abrotman | wouldn't = 0 disable it ? |
| 12:56.39 | abrotman | which would enable pipelining ? |
| 12:56.54 | xingu | lightning: eh? that's odd... oh do you have non-free sources? |
| 12:57.10 | lightning | xingu: i don't think i do |
| 12:57.17 | abrotman | jeez |
| 12:57.19 | xingu | lightning: that'll be it then |
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| 12:58.08 | lightning | so it's ftp.us.debian.org main nonfree |
| 12:58.17 | abrotman | !tell lightning about contrib |
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| 12:58.20 | xingu | non-free |
| 12:58.20 | abrotman | !tell lightning about non-free |
| 12:58.34 | xingu | but yes essentially (read the non-free hint too) |
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| 12:59.45 | lightning | main contrib non-free |
| 12:59.50 | xingu | sendmail is like having a stone in your shoe; it's never a good time to boots off and get it out, and you know you'll miss it in a perverse way if you do |
| 12:59.51 | abrotman | xingu: still on qmail eh ? |
| 13:00.14 | asg | that would be a no |
| 13:00.23 | fasta | Everyone I speak appears to be using postfix. Makes one wonder why exim4 is Debian default... |
| 13:00.35 | asg | fasta: I use exim and have done for years |
| 13:00.49 | streuner | !start a MTA war |
| 13:00.49 | dpkg | postfix rulez |
| 13:00.54 | abrotman | fasta: a long time ago .. they just picked one .. |
| 13:00.58 | abrotman | i personally blame canada |
| 13:01.00 | asg | fasta: it's the default because postfix wasn't fit for use during the woody release |
| 13:01.11 | asg | or maybe it was potato |
| 13:01.22 | abrotman | i thought it was slink |
| 13:01.27 | xand | exim is better |
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| 13:01.41 | streuner | asg: debian isnt default |
| 13:01.59 | asg | streuner: que? |
| 13:02.09 | abrotman | asg: donde esta el bano! |
| 13:02.16 | qrck | what's repo volatile for ? |
| 13:02.23 | streuner | !volatile |
| 13:02.23 | dpkg | hmm... volatile is debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.org/ |
| 13:02.23 | abrotman | !volatile |
| 13:02.24 | asg | abrotman: heh, around the back |
| 13:02.25 | qrck | is it usefule for the testing distro ? |
| 13:02.48 | abrotman | maybe ... |
| 13:02.55 | abrotman | depends which updates more quickly |
| 13:03.09 | xingu | heh, the supercollidor release strategy |
| 13:03.28 | lightning | supercollidor |
| 13:03.29 | cast | anyone remember what limitations windows has that linux doesn't with regards to two programs using the same file? I've forgotten, is it two programs can't be both writing to the same file? or is it one can't read while the other writes? i have a feeling you can't delete files that are open |
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| 13:04.05 | xingu | s/dor/der/ |
| 13:04.07 | pumpkin0 | cast: the delete thing is true. |
| 13:04.38 | cast | pumpkin0: i'm wondering if there is any other little catches, i remember encountering them but it was so long ago i can't remember :\ |
| 13:04.40 | liable | all three sound sane |
| 13:04.44 | streuner | asg: well, exim really default, forget what i said |
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| 13:04.54 | abrotman | streuner: yeah .. so there! |
| 13:04.59 | GaMeR64 | Hey everyone |
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| 13:05.08 | asg | streuner: no worries :) |
| 13:05.15 | abrotman | cast: the dual write makes sense .. |
| 13:05.19 | xingu | lightning: how you getting on there? got your nvidia-glx yet? |
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| 13:05.29 | lightning | oh no |
| 13:05.31 | lightning | i can't install it |
| 13:05.38 | abrotman | are the packages currently in sid ? |
| 13:05.42 | xingu | yep |
| 13:05.44 | abrotman | !info nvidia-glx sid |
| 13:05.52 | abrotman | maybe he needs legacy ? |
| 13:05.53 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary Xorg driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 100.14.11-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4143 kB, Installed size: 13180 kB |
| 13:05.56 | frog | hi, i have just modiefied xorg.conf to be abble to do dualhead. can i switch it without restarting x? |
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| 13:06.02 | xingu | abrotman: no, we've done this dance already |
| 13:06.05 | GaMeR64 | Are there any Debian experts here that know a lot of compiling programs for specific cpu`s? |
| 13:06.15 | abrotman | GaMeR64: just ask |
| 13:06.19 | xingu | lightning: care to share the error? |
| 13:06.21 | abrotman | your real question |
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| 13:06.39 | lightning | E: package nvidia-glx has no install candidates |
| 13:06.45 | GaMeR64 | I have a Thecus N2100 NAS device that runs linux |
| 13:06.53 | abrotman | lightning: paste your sources somewhere .. |
| 13:07.00 | xingu | lightning: so you need to add non-free to your sid sources list and update your package list |
| 13:07.02 | abrotman | GaMeR64: so it's not Debian ? |
| 13:07.04 | shut- | How do You Set A Name Server Up For You Server? |
| 13:07.09 | GaMeR64 | This device supports the loading of modules like a bittorrent module, SSH, etc etc |
| 13:07.13 | shut- | web server btw |
| 13:07.19 | abrotman | bind9 |
| 13:07.20 | GaMeR64 | There is a chrooted debian installation |
| 13:07.30 | lightning | xingu: yeah, and it's just non-free at the end of main |
| 13:07.49 | abrotman | LightKnight: paste your sources somewhere |
| 13:07.55 | GaMeR64 | i also have that but i was wondering if that with some other programs coudl be combined in a module |
| 13:08.02 | hark | lightning: unless you're on lenny |
| 13:08.12 | LightKnight | lightning: paste your sources somewhere :-) |
| 13:08.13 | xingu | lightning: yes; have you updated your package list? |
| 13:08.20 | GaMeR64 | or if a module could be compiled with the support of NZB files |
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| 13:08.24 | abrotman | LightKnight: thanks :) |
| 13:08.29 | LightKnight | abrotman: :-) |
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| 13:09.06 | lightning | okay i fixed it to be non-free |
| 13:09.08 | enouf | !pebkac |
| 13:09.08 | dpkg | well, pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 13:09.10 | pumpkin0 | GaMeR64: the modules you talk about are created by the mainteaner of the Thecus N2100 system, not debian. Ask them. |
| 13:09.12 | abrotman | jee |
| 13:09.23 | lightning | it's installing |
| 13:09.26 | lightning | sorry about that |
| 13:09.38 | lightning | a little tired/wired/out-of-it |
| 13:09.46 | xingu | it's a long journey |
| 13:09.53 | lightning | throw a little mix of soar in there |
| 13:09.56 | GaMeR64 | Well, different people write modules indeed. Nt Thecus themselves |
| 13:10.09 | lightning | oh i can't wait to become a meistro in the linux world |
| 13:10.11 | xingu | someone should contrib a metapackage - nonfree-nvidia-jfdi |
| 13:10.18 | pumpkin0 | GaMeR64: but they created that costum package system... |
| 13:10.27 | lightning | okay it is installed |
| 13:10.29 | GaMeR64 | yes |
| 13:10.32 | lightning | what is the next step |
| 13:10.53 | xingu | check pciids, test release/sources, go the m-a route iff needed, etc etc etc |
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| 13:10.53 | xingu | lightning: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 13:11.00 | MangosDebian | now theres a sturdy looking stick. too bad its windows only :/ |
| 13:11.00 | lightning | sweet |
| 13:11.09 | GaMeR64 | I have tried asking them but there was not much response |
| 13:11.12 | GaMeR64 | Well, none at all |
| 13:11.42 | abrotman | dude |
| 13:12.09 | lightning | dude that was way easy |
| 13:12.17 | lightning | just have to take notes next time |
| 13:12.23 | shut- | I want to set a domain up on my server but i need to set dns up |
| 13:12.31 | shut- | and name servers |
| 13:12.44 | shut- | anyone no how to set that up? |
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| 13:13.13 | piztek | back, and it is KICKIN'!!!!!!!! |
| 13:13.18 | piztek | WHOO! |
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| 13:13.41 | piztek | time for that totem video plugin |
| 13:13.54 | piztek | :D |
| 13:14.04 | piztek | you rock xingu |
| 13:14.08 | piztek | everybody in here |
| 13:14.12 | piztek | YOU GUYS ARE GOOD! |
| 13:14.27 | xingu | !customer |
| 13:14.27 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 13:14.47 | piztek | shoot i have a window off screen |
| 13:15.57 | piztek | abrotman: how did you know that? |
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| 13:16.18 | abrotman | piztek: because only people from wisconsin can't figure out how to install nvidia drivers |
| 13:16.36 | abrotman | and your accent gave you away |
| 13:16.42 | piztek | hahah, yeah |
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| 13:17.51 | piztek | how do i get a window back onscreen |
| 13:18.10 | blubberdiblub | i usually use the keyboard shortcuts to get it into moving mode |
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| 13:18.26 | piztek | and what's that shortcut |
| 13:18.26 | asg | piztek: is there a part of it visible? If so, ALT+LEFT MOUSE and drag it. |
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| 13:18.45 | piztek | none is visible |
| 13:18.52 | recyard | has anybody got problem using alacarte and gnochm in debian sid |
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| 13:19.11 | piztek | i had problems with alacarte |
| 13:19.12 | anybody | no |
| 13:19.20 | zapalotta | I'm using LVM over two Software-RAID 1 Arrays. According to the HDD-LED and the sound, the disks are running all time now. Top shows me that md1_resync and md1_raid1 are using quite a lot processing power. Is this normal? |
| 13:19.43 | zapalotta | I used gmirror on FreeBSD on this system before which worked flawlessly and without permanent HD activity |
| 13:20.04 | recyard | no module named xxxxx, however I have installed these python modules |
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| 13:21.25 | pumpkin0 | zapalotta: the system thinks you shutdown hard or the raid got seomhow altered and is resyncing it. That will copy over one disc to the other and take same time. |
| 13:21.37 | liable | hrm, ingo's frequent posting in the lwn article about ck make me feel like hes feeling guily or something |
| 13:21.47 | bullium | I've got an issue with a PC it will not boot from any type of hard drive, but it will boot from CD's or floppy's...can anyone point me somewere where I can configure a boot floppy or cd to boot to the hard drive? |
| 13:22.21 | zapalotta | pumpkin0: hmm, can I somehow see the state of the RAID? |
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| 13:22.42 | piztek | i think i have a fix |
| 13:22.50 | enouf | bullium: is it an abit ib8/9 mobo that only boots sata disks? |
| 13:22.51 | pumpkin0 | zapalotta: cat /proc/mdstat |
| 13:22.54 | cast | bullium: grub-floppy |
| 13:23.22 | zapalotta | pumpkin0: hey, thanks a lot! |
| 13:23.46 | xingu | mmm, cheese. |
| 13:23.47 | piztek | brb |
| 13:23.50 | bullium | cast: I can't boot the system at all write now, so could I do a grub-floppy on another machine? |
| 13:24.00 | bullium | enouf: nope an old dual PIII soyo MB |
| 13:24.16 | enouf | bullium: why won't it boot the HDD? |
| 13:24.24 | pumpkin0 | bullium: did you setup the BIOS to even try the HDs for booting ? |
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| 13:24.42 | bullium | enouf: I don't know...thats why I'm trying to do a workaround...it's a strange issue |
| 13:24.45 | piztek | back, yeah this is nice |
| 13:24.51 | enouf | clear your cmos if necessary |
| 13:25.10 | pumpkin0 | bullium: the HD is bigger then 128 GB ? |
| 13:25.14 | bullium | pumpkin0: yeah, trust me I'm not noob when it comes to seting up systems...all of the normal stuff has been tried.... |
| 13:25.18 | enouf | set BIOS to AutoDetect for IDE drives, if that's what you're using |
| 13:26.07 | enouf | bullium: so the drives are shown during POST? |
| 13:26.13 | enouf | correctly? |
| 13:26.26 | stoned | I don't want to go to work :( |
| 13:26.37 | enouf | on sunday? |
| 13:26.41 | asg | stoned: tell them you have avian flu |
| 13:26.55 | bullium | pumpkin0: enouf: the system is setup correctly, for some reason when the system tries to boot from the HD after the initial debian install...I breifly (very breifly almost can't see it) the grub boot loader then the system reboots...mind you I've tried three different HD's and they all do the same thing...and teh BIOS is to the latest version |
| 13:26.58 | enouf | retail? |
| 13:26.58 | stoned | asg: I'm too tired and sleepy and im still getting over my illness |
| 13:27.04 | stoned | no |
| 13:27.09 | stoned | my boss is jewish |
| 13:27.10 | bullium | pumpkin0: no |
| 13:27.19 | stoned | he doesn't work saturdays, but sunday is a workday |
| 13:27.35 | bullium | enouf: yes drives are seen during post and during the debian install...just after the install is finished the system will not boot from the HD |
| 13:27.37 | stoned | i stopped retail like last month man |
| 13:27.41 | stoned | :) |
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| 13:28.02 | stoned | its the shabbas |
| 13:28.05 | stoned | or whatever |
| 13:28.11 | stoned | no workey on saturday |
| 13:28.14 | bullium | enouf: system gets stuck in a continious reboot |
| 13:28.20 | enouf | bullium: wow .. hrm, i've heard of that issue, there's a fix, but i can't recall what the exact issue is atm |
| 13:28.39 | stoned | enouf: there if a fix for it |
| 13:28.42 | stoned | gimme it |
| 13:28.50 | stoned | that way i can stay home ;) |
| 13:28.58 | enouf | heh |
| 13:29.00 | x_link | stoned my main man |
| 13:29.00 | stoned | i should go anyway |
| 13:29.05 | stoned | hey buddy |
| 13:29.06 | x_link | enouf: Thief! |
| 13:29.09 | stoned | g'monrning |
| 13:29.09 | x_link | enouf: =) |
| 13:29.24 | stoned | i'll get high first then go to work |
| 13:29.28 | enouf | x_link: er... har har? |
| 13:29.32 | x_link | enouf: hehe sup? |
| 13:29.42 | enouf | yo |
| 13:29.44 | cahoot | bullium, not a matter of cpu/kernel mismatch? |
| 13:29.44 | x_link | stoned: I thought you stopped smoking weed? |
| 13:30.16 | enouf | bullium: did you install grub into the MBR?, are you booting off a PCI Controller? |
| 13:30.23 | stoned | x_link: I did |
| 13:30.26 | enouf | Card |
| 13:30.29 | stoned | and successfully so |
| 13:30.39 | bullium | cahoot: nope...not that I can tell |
| 13:30.39 | stoned | but then I just wanted to again |
| 13:30.45 | stoned | before when I quit, Ididn't want it |
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| 13:30.50 | bullium | enouf: yes I had grub installed into the MBR... |
| 13:30.55 | stoned | its not like i had to quit for someome |
| 13:31.11 | bullium | enouf: no not booting from a PCI controller... |
| 13:31.22 | stoned | you said booting, I read bonding |
| 13:31.31 | asg | bullium: do you see the grub menu at all or does it just reboot immediately? |
| 13:31.34 | stoned | yeh, chemical bonding between pci and the pci card |
| 13:31.54 | bullium | asg: I very breifly almost can't see it before the reboot |
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| 13:32.42 | bullium | asg: I've done a rescue boot and looked at the grub settings and everything looks correct... |
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| 13:32.55 | enouf | bullium: is there any write-protect enabled stuff enabled in the BIOS ? (Anti-Virus BIOS crap) |
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| 13:34.03 | bullium | enouf: no, not that I'm aware of...I know it's getting writen to the MBR record because I can breifly see the grub boot menu |
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| 13:34.38 | piztek | okay where did xingu and abrotman go? |
| 13:34.39 | asg | bullium: can you verify that the kernel and initrd image that grub is configured to use actually exists on the drive? |
| 13:34.49 | asg | piztek: k i s s i n g |
| 13:34.52 | enouf | bullium: is the disk larger than 128GB as asked? it appears grub isn't installed correctly .. maybe .device.map is munged (or even menu.lst) |
| 13:34.59 | piztek | lol |
| 13:35.00 | stoned | asg? |
| 13:35.19 | asg | stoned? |
| 13:35.33 | stoned | kissing? |
| 13:35.47 | asg | stoned: just a guess |
| 13:35.50 | enouf | bullium: you verified the md5sum on the Debian ISO? prior to burning? which one did you use, Etch? |
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| 13:38.24 | bullium | enouf: no the disk is not larger than 128GB...I believe I checked the md5 on the disk..I'll check again... |
| 13:38.40 | bullium | asg: how would you recomend I check that? |
| 13:38.42 | enouf | bullium: ok -- hrm .. i wonder if your HDDs jumpers are set properly, (Some have sizing limitation jumpers, and also combos of Ma w/Slave or w/o Slave config -- 2 jumpers per drive) |
| 13:38.54 | piztek | nicotine keeps freezing when a large search occurs |
| 13:38.55 | enouf | bullium: also, are you using 80wire cables? |
| 13:39.27 | asg | bullium: boot with a rescue cd as you did to verify the config. Then check the referenced files exist in /boot |
| 13:40.02 | bullium | enouf: I've tried at least three HD and also tested them with SpinRite and all drives check OK |
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| 13:40.23 | bullium | asg: I will do that... |
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| 13:41.53 | piztek | bbl |
| 13:42.56 | xingu | bullium: here's a stupid question; have you booted xp from grub after completing the install? |
| 13:43.26 | enouf | bullium: oh ..right .. boot rescue and reinstall grub? -- erm 3 HDDs doing hte same thing would indicate it's an issue elsewhere .. somehing BIOS related, or bad grub-install(s)? |
| 13:44.07 | abrotman | pizza_biz: ? |
| 13:44.20 | xingu | enouf: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/26058 <- nastyness. :) |
| 13:44.21 | abrotman | ggrrr |
| 13:44.29 | bullium | xingu: who says this machine has xp on it? |
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| 13:44.38 | enouf | i would reset the cmos anyway -- and spinrite is not what i would use, use the Manu HDD utility |
| 13:44.47 | enouf | xingu: ouch |
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| 13:45.05 | xingu | bullium: it's a boolean; but if flaming my arse makes you feel like the man, go ahead, fire both bores. |
| 13:45.35 | bullium | xingu: I'm not flamming you...I just never mentioned XP and I wondered why you assumed I had XP on that machine? |
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| 13:46.08 | xingu | bullium: it's a boolean; there's a known fault that matches your symptom perfectly, and it involves xp hosing the mbr |
| 13:46.10 | unsolo_ | anyone with lvs and ldirectord experience around ? |
| 13:46.33 | xingu | bullium: if it hasn't, nothing to see here, move along; but it's worth asking. |
| 13:46.58 | bullium | xingu: ok, thanks for expanding on your comment...I don't have XP on this machine, but thanks for the input. any help is appreciated |
| 13:47.12 | enouf | hrm dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda count=64 should do it (including the 1st partitions boot sector) ;-) then reinstall grub |
| 13:47.36 | abrotman | enouf: don't you want a blocksize ? |
| 13:47.44 | enouf | abrotman: defauklt is 512 |
| 13:47.54 | abrotman | you trust defaults?! |
| 13:48.06 | xingu | bullium: ok does any of the grub menu show at all just for my benefit? |
| 13:48.09 | enouf | on a new install? sure ;-) |
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| 13:48.26 | xingu | bullium: or is it more POST -> HDD access -> reboot |
| 13:48.38 | bullium | xingu: yes very breifly but then the system just reboots...I get no error messages...at least none that I can read fast enough if they were there |
| 13:48.57 | xingu | bullium: *nod*; but you do see something from grub before it dies? |
| 13:49.14 | enouf | bullium: check all PSU connections? could be a short |
| 13:49.16 | bullium | xingu: yes |
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| 13:49.41 | xingu | bullium: this is useful to know; part of what grub needs to do is produce a workable memory map and that happens real early; so now we know that this is probably stage1.5 related |
| 13:49.48 | enouf | i was thinking RAM, but you seem to indicate all other things work fine |
| 13:50.09 | enouf | xingu: correct, within the 1st 63 sectors |
| 13:50.25 | bullium | xingu: enouf: I could run a memtest86 to remidy that idea |
| 13:50.29 | enouf | or 64, if that sector is munged |
| 13:50.48 | enouf | bullium: sure , also check it's all seated properly |
| 13:51.03 | enouf | including Video card believe it or not |
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| 13:51.40 | bullium | xingu: do you believe I should check memory as well? I don't think it is, but I like to cover all basis when possible |
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| 13:52.22 | enouf | bullium: use cfdisk or fdisk and ensure your partition IDs are correct also |
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| 13:52.55 | bullium | enouf: I take it you want me to do this while I'm booted into the rescue mode? |
| 13:53.10 | xingu | bullium: it'll take a while; I think it's unlikely - maybe leave that one as a todo and do overnight |
| 13:53.15 | enouf | IIRC, it's when someone had used Ontrack DDO or similar prior that this can occur also -- something .. bah |
| 13:53.22 | enouf | bullium: sure |
| 13:53.42 | bullium | xingu: ok then...thinking it's in stage 1.5 what do you suggest I do now until the overnight memtest? |
| 13:53.46 | xingu | bullium: what we do need is menu.lst I think |
| 13:53.48 | pumpkin0 | enouf: dd if=/dev/zero time ... |
| 13:54.07 | bullium | xingu: I've got the rescue mode firing up right now...I could get thta |
| 13:54.25 | xingu | bullium: maybe that's gotten toast and yeah, as these guys are saying, if there's a disk manager like ontrack it could also be screwing with you |
| 13:54.52 | xingu | bullium: but yes, rescue mode, menu.lst I think we need to see just in case that's damaged |
| 13:55.14 | xingu | bullium: probably also ls -la /mnt/boot/grub so we can be certain the stage1/1_5/2 loaders are all present and correct |
| 13:55.14 | enouf | pumpkin0: right .. is why i suggested dd in the 1st place .. grub install doesn't nilly willy write everywhere, so some sectors might still be containing info about other utils (specifically the 1st 64 sectors) |
| 13:55.36 | bullium | xingu: ls -la /mnt/boot/grub got it |
| 13:55.58 | xingu | bullium: then give this dd/ reinstall grub in chroot stuff a whirl |
| 13:56.05 | pumpkin0 | enouf: if you care about the partition table: go all the way and nuke the drive. He has nothing to lose but time.. |
| 13:56.18 | enouf | pumpkin0: indeed, and i concur |
| 13:56.20 | xingu | pumpkin0: secure erase? :) |
| 13:56.23 | abrotman | acpi sucks |
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| 13:56.50 | pumpkin0 | xingu: just getting rid of diskManagers and strange partitiontables... |
| 13:57.39 | enouf | bullium: most Manu HDD utils have a write-zeros to disk, or just use dd ;-) |
| 13:57.40 | xingu | bullium: what cpu is this system? |
| 13:57.56 | enouf | xingu: ahh thinking the k6 bug? |
| 13:58.01 | xingu | enouf: and c3 |
| 13:58.08 | enouf | oh dear ..lol |
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| 13:58.26 | beoba | anyone happen to know of a linux util that, given a set of files to burn, figures out a fairly efficient way to fit those files on the minimal number of DVDs/CDs? (ie software implementation of the bin packing problem) |
| 13:58.57 | xingu | beoba: mondo manages somehow. |
| 13:59.06 | pumpkin0 | enouf, xingu: he said something about PIII... |
| 13:59.09 | enouf | beoba: i know of optical disk spanning utils, not sure of "optimization" |
| 13:59.21 | enouf | right .. duh, bad RAM here :-P |
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| 14:00.02 | enouf | bullium: did you d/l and install the i386 version? |
| 14:00.26 | beoba | xingu: ooh, neat |
| 14:00.30 | beoba | enouf: examples of said utils? |
| 14:00.32 | enouf | (i know, silly question) .. auto-detect should stop it |
| 14:00.55 | bullium | xingu: dual PIII 500Mhz |
| 14:01.02 | bullium | enouf: yes i386 version |
| 14:01.47 | qrck | is realtime-lsm really not usable with the standard debian kernel? even when i rebuild all modules with m-a ? |
| 14:03.08 | enouf | beoba: http://www.serice.net/shunt/ though i'd look into it, i haven't used these or other disk spanning utils - perhaps a util like backuppc.sf.net (in debian) also can do this |
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| 14:03.52 | enouf | bullium: and a recent Etch ISO? |
| 14:04.42 | stoned | alright |
| 14:04.48 | stoned | I'm at work and about to pass out |
| 14:05.50 | stoned | i shoulda stayed in bed |
| 14:06.23 | Muisje | lol |
| 14:06.29 | Muisje | or |
| 14:06.34 | Muisje | you shouldn't have smoked |
| 14:06.42 | enouf | beoba: you should know that Debian uses it's own fork of cdrecord/mkisofs now, called wodim/genisoimage, repectively |
| 14:06.54 | stoned | oh no its not that, I've been sick this past week |
| 14:07.05 | stoned | but I still went into work I only took one day off when i totally felt like shit |
| 14:07.16 | stoned | boss respected that, cuz he still needs his business to run you know |
| 14:07.28 | stoned | so i can take toda off if i want, but i'll try to dish it out |
| 14:08.17 | enouf | beoba: more info about that http://cdrkit.org/ |
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| 14:08.29 | beoba | enouf: yeah, i remember the cdrecord guy going apeshit a while ago, didnt know if deb had done anything about it |
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| 14:09.17 | pumpkin0 | bullium: dual ? did you try with only one CPU ? |
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| 14:11.19 | stoned | http://debian.org/logos |
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| 14:11.28 | abrotman | bullium: have you tried other kernels besides -686 ? |
| 14:11.40 | enouf | beoba: another, related(?) http://scdbackup.sourceforge.net/main_eng.html |
| 14:11.55 | abrotman | bullium: does it even start loading the kernel ? |
| 14:12.00 | enouf | abchirk: no |
| 14:12.03 | abrotman | bullium: have you tried lilo ? |
| 14:12.05 | shut- | I Am Try To set a web server up how do i do the nameserver part? |
| 14:12.05 | enouf | er abrotman |
| 14:12.07 | abchirk | kk |
| 14:12.10 | abrotman | !beer abchirk |
| 14:12.13 | abrotman | !nopony enouf |
| 14:12.13 | dpkg | enouf: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 14:12.14 | enouf | abrotman: my bad tab |
| 14:12.15 | abchirk | Yeah! |
| 14:12.24 | enouf | gah |
| 14:12.37 | abchirk | hehe welcome enouf ... :P |
| 14:12.53 | abrotman | did bullium fall asleep ? |
| 14:12.58 | enouf | abrotman: it gets to a slight hint of the grub shell screen only |
| 14:13.08 | enouf | er splash |
| 14:13.10 | abrotman | is it RAIDed at all ? |
| 14:13.14 | abrotman | sw or hw |
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| 14:13.28 | enouf | abrotman: wasn't asked, wasn't mentioned |
| 14:13.37 | abrotman | what kind of inquisitors are you! |
| 14:14.06 | enouf | abrotman: no tienes los banos |
| 14:14.18 | abrotman | you don't have bathrooms ? |
| 14:14.31 | enouf | hehe .. |
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| 14:15.34 | frog | http://www.pastebin.ca/638041 <-- can someone help me with this? i have twin mode and wish to have screen rightof screen |
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| 14:16.32 | enouf | that's what you get for exclaiming "donde esta el bano!" when clearly Âŋ ? are needed :-P |
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| 14:16.48 | stoned | wow |
| 14:16.55 | stoned | abchirk: you are a real person |
| 14:17.05 | stoned | wow he talks |
| 14:17.28 | abchirk | He why not?? |
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| 14:19.40 | pumpkin0 | frog: how does the xorg.log look like ? |
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| 14:20.10 | stoned | NO |
| 14:20.20 | stoned | CUZ I NEVER seen you talk |
| 14:20.21 | stoned | i think |
| 14:20.24 | stoned | always idle |
| 14:20.27 | stoned | its a miracle! |
| 14:20.30 | stoned | he talks! |
| 14:20.31 | stoned | hehe |
| 14:20.33 | abchirk | mhh yeah here are many idle.. :) |
| 14:20.46 | abchirk | I am in so much channels ;) and my english isnt the best :P |
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| 14:22.24 | xjih78 | i have a problem with mozilla firefox (iceweasel) Mozilla Iceweasel 2.0.0.3. i can't start it through this user however other users have no problems starting |
| 14:22.45 | xjih78 | other users start it perfectly |
| 14:22.45 | andrago | I get this error: checking system version (for dynamic loading)... ./configure: line 9174: syntax error near unexpected token `(' while compiling mysqltcl. Anyone knows what should I change to the line? |
| 14:22.53 | xjih78 | it's just for this one user |
| 14:22.56 | frog | pumpkin0: http://www.pastebin.ca/638054 |
| 14:22.56 | andrago | for ac_var in `(set) 2>&1 | sed -n 's/^\([a-zA-Z_][a-zA-Z0-9_]*\)=.*/\1/p'`; do' |
| 14:23.01 | pumpkin0 | xjih78: rename the config-dir and retry. |
| 14:23.05 | cast | andrago: thats not scary at all |
| 14:23.11 | xjih78 | pumpkin0, did that |
| 14:23.22 | xjih78 | actually rm -rf |
| 14:23.31 | pumpkin0 | xjih78: which dir did you kill ? |
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| 14:23.47 | xjih78 | .mozilla |
| 14:23.49 | stoned | abchirk: where are you from? |
| 14:23.51 | andrago | [cast] I'm not good at scripting I don't know what I should change in the line for make it compile |
| 14:24.03 | abchirk | Germany :) |
| 14:24.04 | xjih78 | in my ~ dir |
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| 14:25.39 | stoned | I gotta build this watercooled system today |
| 14:25.51 | abchirk | stoned after the summer? :P |
| 14:26.04 | stoned | abchirk: what dude? |
| 14:26.11 | stoned | abchirk: where you from? |
| 14:26.40 | abchirk | I am from germany... I meant why are you build a watercooling system after the summer? |
| 14:27.20 | xand | the summer isn't over in the northern hemisphere. |
| 14:27.28 | pumpkin0 | frog: that is a mobile version in a laptop, right ? |
| 14:27.34 | abchirk | Ah right, where are you from stoned ? |
| 14:27.44 | xand | abchirk: it's the summer in germany! |
| 14:27.52 | frog | pumpkin0: yes |
| 14:27.55 | abchirk | Mh no not really anymore ;) |
| 14:28.25 | xand | abchirk: why not? |
| 14:28.37 | stoned | abchirk: no today |
| 14:28.39 | stoned | for customer |
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| 14:28.50 | abchirk | I dont know...16deg and rain :P |
| 14:28.57 | abchirk | ok |
| 14:29.05 | stoned | he ordered a 8800gtx, new mobo, new cpu, etc. etc. |
| 14:29.12 | abchirk | mhh sounds good :) |
| 14:29.21 | stoned | gamer guy wants a OC build |
| 14:29.28 | stoned | hes got money to spend man |
| 14:29.32 | stoned | what I can say |
| 14:29.34 | stoned | can I* |
| 14:30.34 | abchirk | Mh yes the gaming freaks :P |
| 14:30.48 | mmlj4 | why does crontab -e load with bloody nano? who thought this up, and what do I change to get back to vim? |
| 14:32.15 | asg | mmlj4: either set your EDITOR variable or update-alternatives --config editor |
| 14:32.32 | stoned | nano is awesome |
| 14:32.48 | asg | !be ed |
| 14:32.49 | dpkg | ? |
| 14:33.47 | hark | ;) |
| 14:34.07 | abchirk | mh k |
| 14:34.33 | mmlj4 | nano is brain-dead |
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| 14:35.21 | enouf | hrm .. where's-> sensible-browser sensible-editor sensible-pager |
| 14:35.22 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.27 | enouf | fit into all that |
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| 14:35.41 | stoned | what |
| 14:35.46 | enouf | who? |
| 14:35.55 | stoned | http://youfuck.mypets.ws/screenshots/nano.png |
| 14:35.56 | stoned | I think |
| 14:35.57 | stoned | or |
| 14:36.00 | stoned | http://youfuck.mypets.ws/screenshots/nano.jpg |
| 14:36.02 | stoned | hehe |
| 14:36.05 | stoned | im a tool |
| 14:36.46 | stoned | heh |
| 14:37.01 | stoned | yeh its nano png |
| 14:37.22 | stoned | hilighting not merely syntax hilighting but other cool thigns well you can't see |
| 14:37.22 | stoned | but nano is wicked |
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| 14:41.15 | mogh | which is the right channel to ask questions regarding debian on a nslu2? |
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| 14:41.43 | fasta | Where should I put authorisation information for fetchmail to use? |
| 14:41.55 | fasta | There is .netrc, .authinfo |
| 14:42.04 | fasta | The first seems to be for only FTP |
| 14:42.09 | pumpkin0 | mogh: first here, after the flaming in nslu-general. I have one too ... so ask. |
| 14:42.14 | fasta | The second seems to be sendmail related. |
| 14:42.22 | fasta | But man authinfo => nothing |
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| 14:42.38 | fasta | apropos authinfo => nothing |
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| 14:43.30 | mogh | it seems the installer can't see my hd - what can i do to check where the error is? |
| 14:43.36 | mogh | hd is connected and powered on |
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| 14:44.05 | fasta | Never mind, the FM contained |
| 14:44.06 | fasta | it |
| 14:44.09 | pumpkin0 | mogh: did you partition and format it before you put it onto the nslu2 ? |
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| 14:44.31 | mogh | pumpkin0: it was formatted with the original firmware before |
| 14:45.00 | pumpkin0 | mogh: the installer-GUI only shows the internal flash-devices ? |
| 14:45.53 | mogh | pumpkin0: a couple of /dev/mtblock devices |
| 14:46.10 | pumpkin0 | mogh: escape to a shell and check if fdisk can see /dev/sda or /dev/sdb. (mtblock is the internal flash) |
| 14:46.22 | Drizzt321 | I'm reading http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/349 trying to set up apache2+ssl, and I can't find a script called apache2-ssl-certificate, and I even did a search on packages.debian.org. I'm running a clean install of etch/4.0 |
| 14:46.39 | Drizzt321 | is there a replacement script for this, or will I have to do all the steps manually? |
| 14:46.47 | mrsno | Drizzt321 the script doesn't exist anymore |
| 14:46.56 | mrsno | so you can manually create the ssl cert |
| 14:47.20 | Drizzt321 | mrsno: ah. is there a replacement script which will make generating the ssl cert much easier than all the various directions I've seen? |
| 14:47.34 | mrsno | Drizzt321 see http://www.debianadmin.com/install-and-configure-apache2-with-php5-and-ssl-support-in-debian-etch.html (it has the openssl req command example) |
| 14:47.50 | Drizzt321 | mrcheeks: ah, thank you. |
| 14:48.01 | mogh | pumpkin0: fdisk -l /dev/sd[ab] does not return anything |
| 14:48.04 | mrsno | np :] |
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| 14:48.27 | pumpkin0 | mogh: remove the disc, plug it back it. Does dmesg say anthing about it ? |
| 14:48.29 | enouf | !beer mrsno |
| 14:48.39 | pumpkin0 | mogh: (while you are in the shell) |
| 14:48.41 | mrsno | woohoo, goes nice with tea enouf :-) |
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| 14:48.51 | enouf | heh |
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| 14:51.40 | Kragnerac | DEB |
| 14:51.45 | enouf | BED |
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| 14:52.57 | mogh | pumpkin0: that helped - seems the cable got loose... thanks (and sorry for the question) |
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| 14:54.14 | jamesbrink | what would cause grun-instal to keep saying "/dev/hda1: Not found or not a block device." when i have replaced all instances of hda1 with sda1 in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 14:54.20 | jamesbrink | grun=grub |
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| 15:05.25 | S4nD3r | Hi there !!! Just an advice |
| 15:05.46 | S4nD3r | I will buy a peripheral, but I dont know which model to buy |
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| 15:05.56 | Golfgeo | Hi all |
| 15:06.00 | S4nD3r | Buy a printer or a multifunctinal? |
| 15:06.17 | S4nD3r | Im asking because of compatibility with linux |
| 15:06.56 | mmlj4 | be smart... don't EVAR buy a multifunction unit. for any OS. EVAR. |
| 15:07.13 | Golfgeo | Got a VPN certificate question. There was an tool-app that allowed on to create an easy infrastructure for certificates for ssl authentication, I just can't remember the name... |
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| 15:08.03 | mmlj4 | Golfgeo: have you broswed the apps list under "securtiy" on the website? or tried freshmeat? |
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| 15:09.45 | juancgt | Hi, i was trying to compile the driver for my quickcam as a module, but when I try to "make" i guet this error: http://pastebin.ca/638113, any thoughts? |
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| 15:10.06 | Golfgeo | mmlj4, I did a google search. But this was an app made in Sweden by a small company |
| 15:10.10 | enouf | jovans: why would you do that? which kernel? which debian release? some history |
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| 15:10.24 | enouf | jamesbrink: why would you do that? which kernel? which debian release? some history |
| 15:10.35 | jovans | ?? |
| 15:10.36 | enouf | jovans: bad toab, apologies |
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| 15:10.44 | pumpkin0 | juancgt: listen to enouf ... |
| 15:10.46 | enouf | tab even |
| 15:10.47 | jovans | ok |
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| 15:11.08 | jamesbrink | enouf its sarge 2.6 i beleive |
| 15:11.22 | jamesbrink | im moving it froma physical machine to a virtual machine with scsi hdd |
| 15:11.44 | jamesbrink | just need to re-install grub to boot it inside the vm |
| 15:11.47 | enouf | jamesbrink: tried Etch/Stable ? ..oh, i have no idea then |
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| 15:11.58 | Meglo | *cough* brb |
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| 15:12.05 | jamesbrink | yeah i have etch on my other machines |
| 15:12.13 | jamesbrink | this one will get upgraded when i have time |
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| 15:12.43 | jamesbrink | after i have it up and running in vmware i can kill the physcial machine |
| 15:12.59 | jamesbrink | and then clone the virtual machine and perform all the updates to ensure nothing breaks |
| 15:13.07 | enouf | jamesbrink: maybe in the vm, you need to loop mount it to use it as a block device - i really don;t know though |
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| 15:13.29 | jamesbrink | i may end up switching the vm's hdd to ide |
| 15:13.30 | enouf | jamesbrink: ask #vmware maybe |
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| 15:14.22 | S4nD3r | How to know if my printer is compatible with os box?? |
| 15:14.26 | jamesbrink | i have loaded it into vmware before i just dont remeber what i had to change to boot it, maybe i did use ide int he past |
| 15:14.35 | enouf | jamesbrink: perhaps you just need to chroot into it prior to running grub (--bind mount /dev/ and /proc/ also prior to chrooting) |
| 15:14.47 | jamesbrink | yeah i did that |
| 15:15.06 | jamesbrink | could this message be generated from the initrd? |
| 15:15.35 | krazykit | S4nD3r, generally you can check linuxprinting.org |
| 15:15.44 | enouf | no idea, doubt it |
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| 15:16.03 | S4nD3r | krazykit, thanks |
| 15:16.17 | enouf | S4nD3r: also http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting |
| 15:16.30 | xjih78 | how can i check the permissions of the dirs that xkb controls when a keymap is changed? |
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| 15:17.26 | pocukrani | how i can move amsn icon only in tray whet it`s minimized? |
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| 15:18.59 | yos872 | Hi, |
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| 15:20.32 | Roey | Hi. What's a good directory or mount point under which to put a collection of multimedia files? I had it in /media until a new installation (and the FHS) caught up with me, and now I'm searching for some other name. |
| 15:20.39 | jamesbrink | guess im just gona load up an ide drive and copy the contents over |
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| 15:21.32 | krazykit | Roey, wherever you want, really. i put stuff like that in /mnt |
| 15:21.43 | Roey | ok |
| 15:21.48 | Roey | but this is more permanent |
| 15:21.52 | Roey | i.e. it's always there |
| 15:21.54 | xoz_ | Roey: or place it inside your home dir. |
| 15:22.01 | Roey | /mnt for me is for temporary mounts |
| 15:22.09 | xoz_ | ~/mnt |
| 15:22.15 | Roey | xoz_: I want it outside of my home folder because I want it accessible by others |
| 15:22.36 | xoz_ | Roey: /mnt/multimedia |
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| 15:22.41 | b52laptop | hello |
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| 15:22.58 | Roey | /mnt for me is for temporary mounts |
| 15:23.06 | Roey | xoz_: /mnt for me is for temporary mounts |
| 15:23.19 | krazykit | Roey, it can be both, if you like. |
| 15:23.27 | xoz_ | Roey: /opt/mnt? |
| 15:23.30 | b52laptop | please any one using openvpn , could paste me network conf i mean how the bridges are created |
| 15:23.33 | krazykit | pmount and other automounters use /media for temporary stuff |
| 15:23.37 | Roey | how about /mma ? |
| 15:23.52 | Roey | or /multimedia/ |
| 15:23.57 | krazykit | Roey, anything you like. |
| 15:23.58 | Roey | or /bigeffingdisk |
| 15:24.02 | Roey | brb |
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| 15:25.35 | xoz_ | b52laptop: join #flood |
| 15:25.58 | b52laptop | xoz_, why :D ? |
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| 15:26.18 | xoz_ | b52laptop: wait, you configure the server, not client access? |
| 15:27.03 | RichiH | hmm |
| 15:27.05 | b52laptop | xoz i have configured the client and server(openvpn conf i mean ) , just establising the bridge , i am running into trouble to make it |
| 15:27.17 | RichiH | i get a load of hard locks on my laptop lately, i suspect the disk is dying |
| 15:27.28 | RichiH | any way to check / log that? |
| 15:27.38 | cast | smartctl perhaps |
| 15:27.50 | pumpkin0 | RichiH: smartctl -a /dev/your-disk-here |
| 15:27.54 | jamesbrink | shake the laptop see if it locks |
| 15:27.57 | jamesbrink | lol |
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| 15:28.19 | RichiH | aye, ta |
| 15:29.12 | xoz_ | RichiH: /var/log/syslog should say seek error or disk error also |
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| 15:30.07 | xjih78 | which are the dirs that the user using xkb has to have permissions when a keymap is changed? |
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| 15:35.28 | Roey | ok, found it |
| 15:36.03 | Roey | xoz_, krazykit: I moved the (static, unchanging, archived) multimedia to /arch |
| 15:36.05 | Roey | there we go |
| 15:36.12 | Roey | /arch/video, /arch/music, etc. |
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| 15:40.21 | Roey | xoz_: ok, but I also have other directories under /arch besides /video and /music. I also have /packages, /documents, /sounds, and /speeches, for example. |
| 15:40.33 | Roey | xoz_: and /game-data |
| 15:43.00 | xjih78 | which are the dirs that the user using xkb has to have permissions when a keymap is changed? |
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| 15:47.03 | dkg | dpkg> rumour has it, upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted |
| 15:47.03 | dpkg | dkg: I think you lost me on that one |
| 15:47.10 | dkg | Now, whose bright idea was that? |
| 15:47.13 | Woet | how do i edit the httpd.conf of apache2? |
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| 15:48.28 | abrotman | Woet: with a text editor |
| 15:48.43 | Woet | yeah |
| 15:48.44 | Woet | and how? :) |
| 15:48.49 | usr_deb | Woet : $nano /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
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| 15:49.16 | abrotman | nano or vi or emacs |
| 15:49.21 | Woet | phobos:/# $nano /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 15:49.21 | Woet | -bash: /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: Permission denied |
| 15:49.43 | usr_deb | Woet : you must be root |
| 15:49.46 | Woet | yes |
| 15:49.47 | Woet | I am root |
| 15:49.48 | Woet | lol |
| 15:49.48 | usr_deb | Woet : su |
| 15:49.55 | abrotman | does httpd.conf exist? |
| 15:49.56 | usr_deb | Woet : type password |
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| 15:49.58 | Woet | yes |
| 15:50.07 | abrotman | ls -l /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
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| 15:50.35 | Woet | phobos:~# ls -l /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 15:50.35 | Woet | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2007-07-28 11:55 /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 15:50.35 | Woet | phobos:~# |
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| 15:51.03 | fasta | !lol |
| 15:51.03 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 15:51.27 | Woet | I type whatever i want to type. |
| 15:51.39 | Woet | :x |
| 15:51.43 | dkg | AOL for the win. |
| 15:51.51 | Woet | but err |
| 15:51.53 | Woet | $nano /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 15:51.54 | Woet | doesnt work |
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| 15:52.02 | Woet | phobos:~# $nano /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 15:52.02 | Woet | bash: /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: Permission denied |
| 15:52.02 | Woet | phobos:~# |
| 15:52.10 | dkg | Woet: You should be careful in here. The ops have been known to ninja around until someone upsets them. |
| 15:52.11 | krazykit | !tell Woet about paste |
| 15:52.17 | b52laptop | any one could help with a openvpn server conf , in the bridging part plz |
| 15:52.30 | abrotman | dkg: what are you talking about |
| 15:52.41 | abrotman | Woet: $EDITOR /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 15:52.51 | Woet | btw |
| 15:52.57 | Woet | some other guy says its apach2.conf |
| 15:53.03 | Woet | and not httpd.conf |
| 15:53.06 | abrotman | Woet: depends what you're adding |
| 15:53.07 | dkg | abrotman: He said "I type whatever I want to type.". A little joke there to help cure my boredom. |
| 15:53.12 | Woet | I would like to add the PHP type file |
| 15:53.17 | dkg | Man pages aren't as exciting as I had anticipated. |
| 15:53.20 | Woet | because now it downloads the PHP file |
| 15:53.24 | abrotman | Woet: uhm ... it's already there |
| 15:53.33 | abrotman | Woet: did you install php at all? and how ? |
| 15:53.39 | b52laptop | hi |
| 15:53.41 | Woet | apt-get install php5 |
| 15:53.52 | abrotman | Woet: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 15:54.02 | Woet | k |
| 15:54.04 | abrotman | Woet: you don't need to add anything to the apache conf files for that |
| 15:54.07 | Woet | ok |
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| 15:55.00 | Woet | how do i browse my files via windows? |
| 15:55.02 | Woet | like its an harddisk? |
| 15:55.14 | Woet | i tried samba |
| 15:55.16 | Woet | i dont get it. |
| 15:55.30 | abrotman | browse which files? samba is one way |
| 15:55.41 | abrotman | and probably the easiest |
| 15:57.32 | pocukrani | how to update amsn to laters version ? |
| 15:58.11 | Woet | hmm |
| 15:58.14 | Woet | but how do i install samba? |
| 15:58.30 | Woet | I did what you said abrotman |
| 15:58.31 | Woet | and now? |
| 15:58.36 | abrotman | Woet: that's it .. |
| 15:58.36 | Woet | it still downloads the php file |
| 15:58.44 | abrotman | because your browser is doing that ... |
| 15:58.50 | Woet | :-/ |
| 15:58.50 | abrotman | clear your browser cache and restart it |
| 15:58.53 | Woet | lol ok |
| 15:59.47 | Woet | abrotman |
| 15:59.51 | Woet | still downloads.. |
| 15:59.56 | Woet | need the results debian gave? |
| 16:00.07 | abrotman | Woet: try another browser or workstation |
| 16:00.15 | abrotman | did you install the libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
| 16:00.24 | Woet | http://www.pastebin.ca/638156 |
| 16:00.27 | Woet | err |
| 16:00.30 | Woet | not to my knowledge |
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| 16:01.24 | Woet | oops :) |
| 16:01.31 | Woet | abrotman what should i do? |
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| 16:02.11 | abrotman | i thought you were going to install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 16:02.17 | Woet | oh |
| 16:02.18 | Woet | k |
| 16:02.27 | Woet | its installing :) |
| 16:02.59 | chrisjw | if i just want to install mysql, would i do apt-get install mysql-server |
| 16:03.09 | Woet | libapache2-mod-php5 is already the newest version. |
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| 16:03.19 | Woet | so.. |
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| 16:03.58 | abrotman | did you restart apache ? |
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| 16:04.32 | abrotman | i'd really try another browser or workstation |
| 16:04.36 | lrn | how do i restart the xorg server ? |
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| 16:06.01 | krazykit | lrn, if you're using a desktop manager, you could /etc/init.d/?dm restart |
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| 16:07.30 | Woet | oh |
| 16:07.34 | Woet | i didnt restart apache |
| 16:07.50 | Woet | what should i do |
| 16:07.53 | Woet | to restart> |
| 16:08.14 | pumpkin0 | Woet: /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 16:08.16 | Woet | k |
| 16:08.28 | Woet | no such file or directory |
| 16:08.31 | Woet | bash: /etc/init.d/apache: No such file or directory |
| 16:08.37 | Woet | apache2 |
| 16:08.38 | Woet | i guess |
| 16:08.39 | Woet | ? |
| 16:08.46 | Woet | done :) |
| 16:08.50 | pumpkin0 | Woet: /etc/init.d/apache* restart |
| 16:08.55 | Woet | lol |
| 16:08.56 | Woet | i did 2 |
| 16:09.29 | Woet | it still downloads.. |
| 16:09.52 | Rockj | is there any easy way to fetch which user causes this? We have lots of users on our system.. (CRON[8332]: Authentication token is no longer valid; new one required.) |
| 16:10.07 | Rockj | probably an expired user having something in crontab. |
| 16:10.21 | Woet | hmm |
| 16:10.24 | Woet | it works only in IE |
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| 16:10.39 | Woet | now |
| 16:10.43 | Woet | how do i install samba? |
| 16:10.49 | abrotman | Rockj: how many of them have cron tables ? |
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| 16:11.21 | Rockj | /var/spool/cron/crontabs# ls -la | wc -l |
| 16:11.21 | Rockj | 39 |
| 16:11.22 | Woet | how do i install samba? |
| 16:11.35 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 16:11.35 | dpkg | well, refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 16:12.13 | abrotman | Rockj: that's all you have in your log ? |
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| 16:12.52 | Woet | how do i install samba? |
| 16:13.01 | Rockj | abrotman: mhm. Nothing about username or anything. |
| 16:13.02 | abrotman | !tell Woet about grounding |
| 16:13.10 | abrotman | Rockj: or context or time ? |
| 16:13.26 | Woet | i followed a tutorial abrotman |
| 16:13.27 | Woet | still doesnt work |
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| 16:14.22 | HSorgYves | good morning, what should i use to allow a user to run 1 programm with root permissions? sudo? something else? |
| 16:14.32 | Rockj | abrotman: 4 lines of that message each 5 min. |
| 16:14.41 | Woet | .. i want samba |
| 16:14.42 | Woet | plz |
| 16:14.48 | Rockj | along other crontab messages like a user executing a own script he's made. |
| 16:15.06 | abrotman | !samba |
| 16:15.06 | dpkg | [samba] a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 16:15.07 | pumpkin0 | Woet: apt-get install samba |
| 16:15.15 | Woet | and then |
| 16:15.18 | Woet | what should i do at windows? |
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| 16:15.23 | Woet | to make it look like an harddisk |
| 16:15.38 | abrotman | Rockj: every five minutes on the nost ? |
| 16:15.39 | abrotman | nose? |
| 16:15.48 | Woet | pumpkin0: samba is already the newest version. |
| 16:15.49 | Rockj | on the host, mhm. |
| 16:16.43 | abrotman | Rockj: you could try grepping for the lauch minutes .. or */12 |
| 16:17.12 | pumpkin0 | Woet: configure it to show some shares. The /etc/samba/... is a good template. |
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| 16:17.33 | Woet | im at /etc/samba |
| 16:17.33 | Woet | and now? |
| 16:17.57 | pumpkin0 | Woet: and now you read the tutorial. |
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| 16:19.00 | Rockj | /var/spool/cron/crontabs# grep "*/5" * , but all users shown there does have their accounts fully activated. |
| 16:19.14 | abrotman | Rockj: it'd be */12 |
| 16:19.26 | Woet | pumpkin0 you read the tutorial yourself? :-/ |
| 16:19.30 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 16:19.32 | Woet | its like as long as all wikipedia articles together |
| 16:19.34 | abrotman | !fish |
| 16:19.34 | dpkg | fish is, like, FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered? |
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| 16:20.31 | Rockj | abrotman: no hits on: grep "*/12" * |
| 16:20.40 | abrotman | Rockj: what about the actual minutes ? |
| 16:20.42 | Woet | jeez.. that tutorial is too long too read.. |
| 16:20.56 | abrotman | then i guess you don't want samba |
| 16:20.57 | Woet | nvm |
| 16:21.02 | Woet | lets stop using debian at all |
| 16:21.08 | Woet | i will just put windows xp + wamp on it |
| 16:21.08 | cahoot | Woet, right |
| 16:21.40 | Woet | windows xp + wamp is the same as debian + lamp :-/ |
| 16:21.49 | abrotman | then it's time to start learning |
| 16:21.49 | Woet | i just wanna test some scripts |
| 16:22.09 | abrotman | there are other methods to get files onto a debian box |
| 16:22.17 | abrotman | if that's all you really want to do |
| 16:22.28 | Woet | i wanna test my php scripts |
| 16:22.28 | Woet | :-/ |
| 16:22.29 | fasta | What's the standard mail dir on *nix systems? ~/Mail or ~/mail? |
| 16:22.44 | abrotman | depends on the mta and other bitst |
| 16:22.49 | Rockj | abrotman: Their all alive, I greped one of the minuts (40) |
| 16:23.01 | abrotman | Woet: install openssh-server on debian .. then use filezilla on windows |
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| 16:23.09 | Woet | and then |
| 16:23.12 | chrisjw | should i run mysql as non root? |
| 16:23.13 | Woet | i cant even get php configured.. |
| 16:23.15 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 16:23.20 | Woet | windows i just like "open php.ini", and done |
| 16:23.25 | Woet | debian is doing like 1 million things |
| 16:23.25 | abrotman | Woet: it already works |
| 16:23.28 | Woet | to reach the same |
| 16:23.29 | Woet | no |
| 16:23.36 | abrotman | you said it works in IE |
| 16:23.37 | Woet | i need to edit some things to make it work |
| 16:23.38 | fasta | spamassassin is ultra-slow |
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| 16:24.21 | abrotman | Rockj: that's no help |
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| 16:24.37 | abrotman | !be a reading barbie |
| 16:24.38 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, abrotman |
| 16:25.10 | abrotman | Rockj: maybe edit /etc/syslog.conf to get more info |
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| 16:25.39 | sayers | Does java work on AMD64 and does flash work on amd64 easily yet? |
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| 16:26.08 | abrotman | !nspluginwrapper |
| 16:26.08 | dpkg | i guess nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is officially in *unstable*, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/ |
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| 16:26.10 | fasta | abrotman: all my mail is now going into one big file in /var/mail/<username>... now I should just use some mailclient to operate on that huge file? |
| 16:26.18 | HardDisk_WP | hiho |
| 16:26.21 | abrotman | fasta: if you want to .. yes |
| 16:26.41 | HardDisk_WP | can I find out what ./configure arguments were used when VLC package in Sid was bbuilt? |
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| 16:27.06 | Clinton__ | I'm considering switching to Debian, however, I need to know a couple of things before I do. What is the current version of Wine in Debian's unstable repository? And how often is it updated to the current released version from Wine's website? |
| 16:27.30 | abrotman | !info wine sid |
| 16:27.31 | fasta | abrotman: how do I found out the format of that huge file? |
| 16:27.35 | abrotman | Clinton__: or see packages.debian.org |
| 16:27.36 | dpkg | wine: (Windows API Implementation (standard suite)), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.9.36-1 (sid), Packaged size: 549 kB, Installed size: 584 kB |
| 16:27.36 | fasta | abrotman: find* |
| 16:27.44 | abrotman | fasta: it's a text file |
| 16:27.45 | Azar | Clinton__: if new Debian user, don't use the unstable |
| 16:27.56 | Clinton__ | Azar: I'm not new, but thanks for the warning :) |
| 16:28.01 | HSorgYves | what should i use to allow a user to run 1 programm with root permissions? sudo? something else? |
| 16:28.02 | fasta | abrotman: e.g. I guess it's one of mbox Mail<something> or not? |
| 16:28.09 | Clinton__ | Azar: I use Debian exclusively on production servers, but I'm considering it for my desktop now |
| 16:28.12 | fasta | abrotman: or: how are those format related? |
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| 16:28.13 | abrotman | fasta: it's mbox |
| 16:28.15 | HardDisk_WP | !info vlc testing |
| 16:28.19 | Azar | Clinton__: I was wondering, because I seen you here before :) |
| 16:28.20 | fasta | abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 16:28.21 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: not in testing |
| 16:28.22 | Clinton__ | !info wine sid |
| 16:28.26 | dpkg | wine: (Windows API Implementation (standard suite)), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.9.36-1 (sid), Packaged size: 549 kB, Installed size: 584 kB |
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| 16:28.43 | Clinton__ | Azar: yup, but I don't feel like mucking with one of my sources.list just to find out this info |
| 16:28.53 | cahoot | Clinton__, PDO might give a clue on the frequency of updates? |
| 16:28.57 | abrotman | Clinton__: so use packages.debian.org to find out |
| 16:29.06 | abrotman | he could use SDN to get frequency |
| 16:29.10 | abrotman | or at least i an idea |
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| 16:30.09 | Clinton__ | ouch.. unstable is at .36 when released is .42! that hurts, a lot |
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| 16:30.32 | abrotman | Clinton__: oh wait |
| 16:30.55 | abrotman | oh .. that is right |
| 16:31.07 | abrotman | Clinton__: also .. i believe winehq.org maintians a debian repo |
| 16:31.11 | abrotman | with nightly builds etc |
| 16:31.14 | Clinton__ | hate to say it.. but I might have to stick with Gentoo for my desktop.... |
| 16:31.25 | Clinton__ | abrotman: I think they do, but I prefer using *official* repositories |
| 16:31.35 | fasta | abrotman: In procmail I made a rule to filter all spam to "spam"... but in the mbox file I see all kinds of entries "<my machine> has determined that this is spam". I don't see any other files labeled "spam" in /var/mail/<user name>, but it might be that that's because this concept of a mailbox (spam) is in the mbox file. |
| 16:31.46 | zinx | Clinton__: if your goal is high version numbers, it's probably a good idea to stick with gentoo |
| 16:31.50 | abrotman | Clinton__: i wouldn't consider wine a big deal .. it's relatively selfsufficient |
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| 16:32.22 | Clinton__ | abrotman: I have to consider it a big deal... the newest versions *just work* with some of my programs that I have to run |
| 16:32.31 | abrotman | have to run ? |
| 16:32.35 | zinx | Clinton__: fwiw winehq makes Debian .debs of wine - they aren't modularized like the real Debian ones, but they are designed for debian. |
| 16:32.40 | Clinton__ | abrotman: Yup, have to run. |
| 16:32.44 | Caelum | why would enscript -DDuplex:true not do duplex on a printer that does support it? |
| 16:33.05 | Clinton__ | abrotman: When you get paid to use a certain program, you use that program :) |
| 16:33.17 | abrotman | Clinton__: i'm aware of what you mean |
| 16:33.49 | Clinton__ | alright - back to pretending I'm being productive, it is Sunday after all. Thank you everyone. |
| 16:33.53 | abrotman | heh |
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| 16:36.42 | cast | thos better be a gppd /pgg |
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| 16:39.30 | Azar | cafuego made it to bash.org :) http://www.bash.org/?785888 |
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| 16:40.22 | cast | hmm, that video is interesting |
| 16:40.29 | cast | short, too |
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| 16:43.29 | Azar | hehehe http://www.bash.org/?781139 |
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| 16:48.29 | abrotman | cast: not bad |
| 16:48.36 | zinx | svref: you probably want growisofs |
| 16:48.53 | abrotman | dvd+rw works with dvd+w also |
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| 16:49.09 | cast | abrotman: for, likely, the product of a marketing department iwas was pretty good :) |
| 16:49.16 | cast | s/iwas/it was |
| 16:49.22 | zinx | (which is in dvd+rw-tools :/ ) |
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| 16:49.37 | abrotman | cast: damn hippies |
| 16:49.46 | svref | zinx: I tried growisofs, but it complained about the dvd already having an isofs, and then died with i/o error. I figured I was barking up the wrong tree. |
| 16:49.57 | sivasli | hallo |
| 16:50.02 | zinx | svref: no, right tree, but you need a blank disk |
| 16:50.16 | sivasli | türkce bilen varmi |
| 16:50.26 | svref | zinx: I think the drive mis-detects blank disks as formatted. |
| 16:50.32 | sivasli | aloooo |
| 16:50.38 | zinx | svref: that's highly unlikely |
| 16:50.52 | qrck | sivasli, var ama burda türkce konusmak yasak daha dogrusu debian.tr'ye gecmek gerek |
| 16:51.25 | abrotman | !tr |
| 16:51.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, tr is türkįe yardIm iįin #debian-tr (irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 16:51.33 | svref | zinx: I guess you're right, gnomes have been putting bad disks on top of my blank dvd spindle. |
| 16:52.07 | svref | zinx: thanks! : ) |
| 16:52.25 | fasta | Can I read /var/mail/<user> mail with Icedove? |
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| 16:53.00 | cast | i don't know, can you? |
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| 16:54.07 | abrotman | fasta: with a pop3 or imap daemoon .. yes |
| 16:54.33 | xand | what's the "movemail" account type do? |
| 16:54.42 | xand | and dont use pop3! |
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| 16:55.24 | fasta | abrotman: you mean something like qpopper? |
| 16:55.26 | abrotman | xand: why not? he's already using mbox |
| 16:55.37 | xand | abrotman: imap is much more suited. |
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| 16:55.44 | abrotman | xand: so is maildir .. what's your point |
| 16:55.48 | Rockj | abrotman: /var/spool/cron/crontabs# for I in `ls`; do chage -l $I | grep Account; echo by $I;done; - shows no expiered users.. how do I increase syslog level for cron? |
| 16:55.58 | xand | my point is that pop3 is rubbish? |
| 16:56.01 | abrotman | Rockj: in /etc/syslog.conf |
| 16:56.07 | abrotman | xand: so is mbox |
| 16:56.10 | meisam | hi, can anyone help me with a good open source ocr program? |
| 16:56.14 | fasta | xand: If you have any suggestions to improve my mail setup, please tell. |
| 16:56.20 | meisam | or may be a channel to join in |
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| 16:56.26 | abrotman | fasta: are you intending for users to store mail on the server ? |
| 16:56.30 | xand | fasta: install imap and use that to access your mailbox |
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| 16:56.56 | abrotman | fasta: if you are .. i'd use maildir and imap |
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| 16:57.26 | abrotman | if you're not .. i'd use mbox and pop3 |
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| 16:57.49 | xand | use mbox and imap |
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| 16:58.05 | xand | or maildir and imap... no point in using pop3 |
| 16:58.07 | cast | meisam: gocr |
| 16:58.23 | devicenull | Is there a config file for gnome's applications menu? I'm trying to move to fluxbox, but debian doesnt include the fluxbox-generate_menu file, so I have to do it all by hand |
| 16:58.32 | abrotman | xand: not if he's not going to store it on the server |
| 16:58.34 | fasta | abrotman: I intend that I don't see any spam mails anymore. This is just a setup for myself. When I am not here, I intend that I login on this machine remotely. That seems like a sane idea. |
| 16:58.44 | Azar | devicenull: try the latest openbox, it rocks |
| 16:58.55 | fasta | abrotman: again, if there's a better way to do so, suggestions are welcome. |
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| 16:59.15 | meisam | cast: does it function well on hand written documents? 50% precision would be enough for my case |
| 16:59.18 | fasta | abrotman: also "use maildir" is rather abstract. How can I get this "maildir" setup? |
| 16:59.22 | xand | abrotman: you'll be wanting imap then. |
| 16:59.22 | abrotman | fasta: so you're using fetchmail and procmail to grab your own mail from other places .. scan it .. and store it ? |
| 16:59.24 | cast | meisam: fuck no |
| 16:59.30 | xand | abrotman: why wouldn't you want to store mail on your server? |
| 16:59.31 | fasta | abrotman: yes |
| 16:59.36 | abrotman | xand: not everyone does |
| 16:59.46 | abrotman | fasta: use IMAP and Maildir .. |
| 16:59.46 | Rockj | abrotman: cron.* /var/log/cron.log should do it correct? |
| 16:59.51 | xand | abrotman: why not given the choice? it's silly not to |
| 16:59.52 | abrotman | Rockj: i think |
| 17:00.08 | Rockj | abrotman: no more info is popping up atleast :/ |
| 17:00.18 | abrotman | xand: because not everyone wants to store their email that way |
| 17:00.26 | abrotman | Rockj: eh .. shouldn't it still be ? |
| 17:00.36 | fasta | abrotman: for IMAP, I guess you mean that I should install a local IMAP server(e.g. courier). |
| 17:00.43 | abrotman | xand: it makes sense for you .. not for everyone |
| 17:00.47 | meisam | cast: what about scanned text (which was printed using a standard font), do u think it has arnd 50% precision ? |
| 17:00.50 | abrotman | fasta: yes |
| 17:00.52 | fasta | abrotman: is Maildir a result of using "IMAP"? |
| 17:00.58 | Rockj | abrotman: its popping up, just not any more usefull info and that line I pasted earlier. |
| 17:01.11 | abrotman | fasta: no .. you have to configure your MTA for using it |
| 17:01.34 | cast | meisam: more than 50% for printed, i think i was getting around 90% at a guess |
| 17:01.36 | Rockj | abrotman: so it only says "date host CRON[4703]: Authentication token is no longer valid; new one required." |
| 17:01.53 | abrotman | Rockj: maybe in the debug section of the syslog.conf ? |
| 17:02.03 | Rockj | abrotman: already checked. |
| 17:02.03 | cast | meisam: you could certainly drive that higher, use an OCR font, pass gocr some options |
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| 17:03.23 | meisam | cast: thx a bunch! |
| 17:03.30 | abrotman | Rockj: set the log level for cron |
| 17:05.15 | Dave | Hi Abrotman :) |
| 17:05.23 | abrotman | you're missing something man ... |
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| 17:06.36 | haluk | hi folks, is there a way to come back from sid to lenny i had some problems while updating to sid. |
| 17:06.58 | Braindead | tell haluk about downgrade |
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| 17:07.04 | Braindead | !tell haluk about downgrade |
| 17:07.19 | Dave | abrotman ;p |
| 17:07.25 | Rockj | abrotman: think I might figured it out. not experied accounts but experied passwords.. |
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| 17:07.45 | abrotman | Rockj: someone is sotring passwords in cron tables ? |
| 17:07.56 | nohaycubetto | does anyone know this process? /bin/dd bs 1 if /proc/kmsg of /var/run/klogd/kmsg |
| 17:08.12 | meisam | cast: is gocr under GNU ? does it have any windows ver ? |
| 17:08.26 | cast | meisam: the g stands for GNU :) |
| 17:08.26 | nohaycubetto | its taking a lot of cpu in a server i'm running and i don't know what it is about |
| 17:08.44 | Rockj | abrotman: probably cron wont let you run crontabs if it has an experied password I guess. |
| 17:08.48 | cast | meisam: dunno, i won't use windows. i imagine its in cygwin, or will compile in cygwin |
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| 17:09.12 | manual | where can i get the apache benchmark tool? what package is it in? |
| 17:09.20 | abrotman | !find bin/ab etch |
| 17:09.26 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/ab' (9 of 14): (/usr/bin/abook) in mail/abook ;; (/usr/bin/abcde) in sound/abcde ;; (/usr/bin/abakus) in kde/abakus ;; (/usr/bin/abc2ly) in tex/lilypond ;; (/usr/bin/abcm2ps) in text/abcm2ps ;; (/usr/sbin/ab) in net/apache2-utils ;; (/usr/bin/abicheck) in libs/abicheck ;; (/usr/bin/abcmidi-yaps) in sound/abcmidi-yaps ;; (/usr/share/rails/railties/bin/about) in web/rails. |
| 17:09.31 | abrotman | cute |
| 17:09.40 | manual | ok thanks |
| 17:09.41 | abrotman | manual: it's called ab or ab2 i believe |
| 17:09.53 | manual | net/apache2-utils |
| 17:09.58 | meisam | cast : thx man, im using linux too but the application is on windows, so i need to use an open source and good ocr on windows, but i guess when GNU is publishing something it does for both OSs |
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| 17:12.18 | haluk | i cant use bash history when i m using terminal. precisely up or down arrow are not working. What can i do? |
| 17:14.15 | mmlj4 | haluk: do "echo $SHELL" for me? |
| 17:14.20 | devicenull | Azar: would you be able to tell me where the autostart.sh file is for openbox? |
| 17:14.28 | devicenull | it doesn't seem like it's installed to either place the docs say |
| 17:14.59 | nohaycubetto | does anyone know why a dd process could be running automatically? |
| 17:15.11 | haluk | mmlj4: /bin/bash |
| 17:15.13 | mmlj4 | now "echo $TERM" |
| 17:15.39 | haluk | mmlj4: xterm |
| 17:15.43 | mmlj4 | ok |
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| 17:15.57 | mmlj4 | do "export TERM=vt100" and see if that helps |
| 17:16.09 | cast | nohaycubetto: to reseed /dev/random? |
| 17:16.12 | mmlj4 | if not, put it back |
| 17:17.01 | nohaycubetto | its taking lots of cpu and running 30 minutes now |
| 17:17.18 | nohaycubetto | i don't want to just kill it wo undertsanding what its doing |
| 17:17.20 | peterS | hrrm. I thought jfs filesystems were resizeable. are they? with what utility? |
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| 17:17.32 | mmlj4 | nohaycubetto: the command you pasted earlier looked a little funny |
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| 17:17.48 | nohaycubetto | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.50 | mmlj4 | paste it again? (do a fresh copy to your clipboard first) |
| 17:18.54 | mmlj4 | hmm... tail /var/run/klogd/kmsg for me? |
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| 17:19.50 | nohaycubetto | it takes ages to answer |
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| 17:20.29 | nohaycubetto | i cant tail it or vi it |
| 17:20.35 | mmlj4 | hrm... i don't have that on my box... you're running etch? |
| 17:20.51 | nohaycubetto | i have server 6.06 |
| 17:20.58 | nohaycubetto | i hired steadfast 2 weeks ago |
| 17:21.10 | abrotman | peterS: i think just bigger |
| 17:21.17 | peterS | abrotman: yeah but with what tool? |
| 17:21.20 | nohaycubetto | and im putting services online |
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| 17:21.29 | nohaycubetto | and find this process never seen it during the week |
| 17:21.35 | peterS | abrotman: I was quite surprised just now to be unable to find a tool that claims to do this |
| 17:21.44 | mmlj4 | nohaycubetto: um, how's that? what ports are open? |
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| 17:21.49 | krazykit | nohaycubetto, 6.06?... are you running ubuntu? |
| 17:22.02 | abrotman | jfs_tune .. maybe ? |
| 17:22.11 | peterS | abrotman: I checked the manpage, no mention |
| 17:22.18 | abrotman | maybe jfs isn't resizable |
| 17:22.25 | mmlj4 | sounds like you might be rooted... that or I don't have any idea what I'm talking about |
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| 17:22.31 | abrotman | i really thought it was |
| 17:22.32 | mmlj4 | go get chkrootkit and run that |
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| 17:22.35 | peterS | well, I know I heard somewhere that it can be made larger. the AIX version of jfs certainly can be. |
| 17:22.45 | mmlj4 | also you can stop the dd command any time you like, as root |
| 17:22.47 | nohaycubetto | yes krazykit sorry, i should ve mentioned that, just thought it was a very basic command and ubuntu channel is all about GUIs |
| 17:22.53 | peterS | although I know the linux version is descended not from the AIX version but from the OS/2 version |
| 17:22.56 | nohaycubetto | it seems to be a dump of the bandwidth |
| 17:23.15 | krazykit | nohaycubetto, regardless, #debian is not the place for #ubuntu questions. |
| 17:23.35 | nohaycubetto | sorry, i'll try to figure it out by myseld |
| 17:23.39 | nohaycubetto | thanks anyways |
| 17:23.41 | Azar | devicenull: I do not know what you do, follow the installation/compiling from the site |
| 17:23.49 | Azar | http://icculus.org/openbox/index.php/Help:Compiling |
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| 17:23.51 | abrotman | peterS: the jfs faq says it can be done |
| 17:23.57 | devicenull | Azar: I did.. aptitue install openbox |
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| 17:24.41 | abrotman | Daveman: HI! |
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| 17:24.50 | Azar | devicenull: oh... ok so you got the version provided by your debian version |
| 17:24.55 | peterS | abrotman: ah, interesting |
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| 17:25.01 | Math^ | !nvidia |
| 17:25.01 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 17:25.21 | abrotman | peterS: never would have thought it'd be a mount option |
| 17:25.22 | Daveman | Abrotman heh, hello ;) |
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| 17:25.30 | Daveman | Look, I grew up, again :) |
| 17:25.42 | peterS | abrotman: me neither |
| 17:25.46 | Math^ | !nvidia one-liner |
| 17:25.46 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 17:25.49 | devicenull | yep.. |
| 17:25.57 | Daveman | Hey PeterS |
| 17:26.01 | Daveman | What's shakin' ? |
| 17:26.05 | devicenull | it ddin't seem to create any autostarts, but that doesnt seem to be that big of a problem |
| 17:26.06 | peterS | nothing |
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| 17:27.04 | devicenull | hm... anyone know why my arrow keys would work fine in terminals, etc, but not in VI's insert mode? |
| 17:27.15 | devicenull | in vi's insert mode they just add letters to the document |
| 17:27.28 | peterS | devicenull: because vi doesn't support movement in insert mode. you have to get out of insert mode. |
| 17:27.30 | zinx | vi uses a silly qwerty-centric layout that doesn't include arrow keys |
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| 17:27.44 | Azar | devicenull: press i for insert, then Esc to default mode |
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| 17:27.55 | zinx | or use vim |
| 17:27.58 | peterS | devicenull: in classic vi, you can't use arrow keys at all, just hjkl. most modern vis at least allow arrow keys, but not in insert mode. vim does allow arrow keys in insert mode, I believe. |
| 17:28.02 | zinx | or use something sane :/ |
| 17:28.11 | abrotman | in etch it's vim.tiny anyways IIRC |
| 17:28.30 | Azar | devicenull: if you have vim installed do a short interactive vimtutor, you will learn fast |
| 17:28.53 | devicenull | ah, ok |
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| 17:34.17 | peterS | Yvonne: what is the significance of "o" as a username? just curious |
| 17:34.37 | peterS | wait, I mean "n" |
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| 17:35.36 | Skuack | hola |
| 17:36.56 | devicenull | yea, there's something weird going on with the default installation of openbox |
| 17:37.52 | devicenull | mainly, it doesnt seem to load user config files |
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| 17:40.19 | Golfgeo | How long should it take on a 1.7 Ghz P4 to create a dh 2048 bit "context"? |
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| 17:42.29 | Math^ | I've got a AMD Ahtlon64, can I use the k7 kernel? |
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| 17:43.30 | krazykit | Math^, k8 |
| 17:44.05 | Math^ | k8 yes |
| 17:44.09 | Math^ | can I use that one |
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| 17:44.30 | Math^ | or maybe better to use the one Debian has installed for me? (486) |
| 17:45.22 | nataku_ | whoa. |
| 17:45.29 | nataku_ | lightning just struck nearby and my CRT flickered. |
| 17:45.33 | nataku_ | that was kind of eerie. |
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| 17:46.03 | nope_ | hi all |
| 17:46.40 | nope_ | someone can help me to find an app to record a java webcam? |
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| 17:50.10 | nope_ | i've tried istanbul but when i switch desktop it record the new spatial position in the new desktop |
| 17:50.11 | nope_ | i wanti to find an app that record a given window always, also when i switch desktop |
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| 17:51.11 | xingu | beer time! |
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| 17:52.13 | cahoot | nope_, thinking of something like this? http://naaa.de/uvc_streamer.htm |
| 17:52.29 | nope_ | i check it out |
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| 17:53.34 | Math^ | krazykit: k8 is a 64bits kernel |
| 17:53.59 | Math^ | krazykit: i want to use a 32bits kernel |
| 17:54.14 | Math^ | so the best is to use -k7 ? |
| 17:54.49 | hark | yes |
| 17:54.53 | nope_ | cahoot, this is for embedded devices |
| 17:55.04 | _fjh_ | Hi, could someone help me with the netboot installer in rescue mode? It cannot load modules and because of this finds no disk partitions. |
| 17:55.12 | nope_ | i need something like istanbul intead |
| 17:55.26 | Math^ | hark: k7 for 32bit when having amd64? |
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| 17:56.03 | hark | yes |
| 17:56.20 | Math^ | ok |
| 17:56.31 | Math^ | linux-image... -k7 right? |
| 17:58.34 | event_ide | I'm new to Debian, I'm trying to install fglrx drivers, but when I do apt-get install, it says it couldn't find the package. I'm assuming I need to add more repositories, but I don't know which ones to add (or even where to find them) to sources.list |
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| 17:59.07 | hark | /msg dpkg contrib ; /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 18:02.15 | fholmes | How can I pass a password to program through a script? |
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| 18:03.34 | pjota | hi there, folks! |
| 18:04.38 | pjota | I'm trying to play an rm stream, anyone knows how can I do it without a Totem error? |
| 18:04.42 | abrotman | fholmes: depends on the program |
| 18:04.46 | abrotman | !w32codecs |
| 18:04.46 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a non-free package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 18:04.51 | pjota | that's the link http://www.samurai.fm/player/music/preroll/timdeluxe_hi.rm |
| 18:05.03 | pjota | I'm runing mozilla |
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| 18:06.21 | devicenull | where is the config file for the gnome Applcations menu/ |
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| 18:07.06 | pjota | abrotman, thank you |
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| 18:07.37 | fholmes | abrotman: scp is the program. |
| 18:07.48 | abrotman | !ssh keys |
| 18:07.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, ssh keys is http://www.puddingonline.com/~dave/publications/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/ |
| 18:07.55 | skipjack | Knows someone backup2l, and can me tell who it figure out which files and directorys have changened since the last backup? |
| 18:08.08 | Daveman | Abrotman, enjoying the weather? :P |
| 18:08.23 | abrotman | Daveman: i'm tired .. staying inside this weekend :) |
| 18:08.39 | Daveman | hehe |
| 18:08.46 | Daveman | You're perfectly entitled to :) |
| 18:08.49 | abrotman | i went to the pub to get a burger .. and that was about it |
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| 18:08.51 | Daveman | Just wondeirng |
| 18:08.54 | pjota | abrotman, there is nobody on debian-multimedia :S |
| 18:08.55 | Daveman | heh |
| 18:08.58 | Daveman | lazy sundays... |
| 18:09.01 | abrotman | it's been rainy anyways |
| 18:09.07 | abrotman | pjota: just get the w32codecs pckage |
| 18:09.13 | hark | fholmes: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFAQ#head-7c69189071c6486abe31e41f5724e7f8a0d1af91 |
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| 18:12.33 | fholmes | Thanks guys. Do I have to have the same username on both machines? |
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| 18:14.54 | joefso | is CentaurHauls an intel processor? |
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| 18:15.36 | abrotman | ask google ? |
| 18:15.56 | HardDisk_WP | can I find out what ./configure arguments were used when VLC package in Sid was built? |
| 18:16.03 | abrotman | yes in the rules file |
| 18:16.04 | pjota | abrotman, to install w32codecs doesn't resolved my problems |
| 18:16.15 | pjota | I'm still have my internet radio mute |
| 18:16.27 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, tx |
| 18:16.28 | abrotman | maybe somehting else is using hte sound device |
| 18:16.36 | pjota | can anybody test I one of you can play it? |
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| 18:17.27 | pjota | abrotman, I think totem is the problem. I want to play it with mplayer on mozilla but don't know how to do it |
| 18:17.46 | abrotman | there's an app .. apt-cache search mpalyer mozilla |
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| 18:18.17 | pjota | abrotman, I have installed mplayermozilla plugin but still not working |
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| 18:20.18 | hark | pjota: what's the url? |
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| 18:21.12 | pjota | http://www.samurai.fm/player/music/preroll/mrscruff1_hi.rm |
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| 18:21.15 | pjota | for example |
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| 18:22.47 | hark | 404 |
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| 18:23.38 | Apollodoros | hello |
| 18:23.42 | abrotman | hark: i still can't play it! |
| 18:23.55 | Apollodoros | where can I find channel debian.pl ? |
| 18:23.56 | pjota | http://www.samurai.fm, just click in one of the stations |
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| 18:24.06 | abrotman | !Pl |
| 18:24.06 | dpkg | hmm... pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
| 18:24.30 | abrotman | Apollodoros: /join #debian.pl |
| 18:24.56 | Apollodoros | OK |
| 18:24.59 | Apollodoros | thanks |
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| 18:25.19 | mustard | hi, I'm on unstable and as of yesterday I can't play videos any more, e.g. mp4, avi, etc. totem, xine, helix all complain about not having the right codecs. Is there a packages that might have gone missing somewhere? |
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| 18:28.32 | hunterp | what is a good chat room for politics with a LOT of people |
| 18:28.34 | hark | pjota: sorry, i tried another .. get a 404 with them |
| 18:28.50 | hark | #politics ? |
| 18:29.29 | pingouiin | which country ? |
| 18:29.46 | jetscreamer | !w32codecs |
| 18:29.46 | pjota | hark, I don't think so but I don't know what it's the problem |
| 18:29.46 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a non-free package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 18:29.48 | abrotman | they don't care .. they'll argue about anything |
| 18:29.49 | jetscreamer | maybe? |
| 18:30.00 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/v/vlc/vlc_0.8.6.c-3_i386.deb doesnt contain a rules file in both data and control .tgz |
| 18:30.13 | HardDisk_WP | do I have to choose another .deb? |
| 18:30.15 | pjota | jetscreamer, w32codecs already installed |
| 18:30.29 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: the source package does |
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| 18:30.39 | hark | HardDisk_WP: the source |
| 18:30.58 | joefsoD | What kind of kernel image do I select for Centaur/IDT processors? |
| 18:31.04 | HardDisk_WP | you mean vlc_0.8.6.c.orig.tar.gz ? |
| 18:31.09 | jetscreamer | anybody gotten acx111 going recently? as in under 2.6.21 |
| 18:31.15 | abrotman | !tell HardDisk_WP about source |
| 18:31.44 | jetscreamer | wtf is a centaur/idt |
| 18:31.48 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, I can't do this as VLC ain't in testing and I dont want to switch to sid |
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| 18:32.25 | hark | just add the sid sources then |
| 18:32.43 | xand | abrotman: :o |
| 18:32.48 | abrotman | what? |
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| 18:33.53 | jetscreamer | s/anybody gotten acx111 going recently? as in under 2.6.21/anybody gotten acx111 going recently? as in under 2.6.21 and if so what did you have to do to get it to compile |
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| 18:34.49 | jetscreamer | just prtend i put all the \'s |
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| 18:35.43 | jetscreamer | (yes i checked the bugs.. same problem is old) |
| 18:35.50 | jetscreamer | 38days |
| 18:35.57 | abrotman | problem ? |
| 18:36.04 | cast | undo* |
| 18:36.05 | jetscreamer | bug/problem... |
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| 18:36.24 | jetscreamer | there is a br, same errors, 38 days old |
| 18:36.51 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you're being pretty vague |
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| 18:37.23 | Zap-W | using mysql-server-5.0 , i get ERROR 1286 (42000): Unknown table engine 'InnoDB' when doing mysql> SET table_type=InnoDB; |
| 18:37.24 | jetscreamer | man.. everytime i go to compile some module that's not in the tree i have a problem with the kernel module format changed recently or somethig |
| 18:37.28 | karsten | cast: s/under/undo? |
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| 18:37.48 | abrotman | jetscreamer: uhm .. it is in m-a |
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| 18:38.01 | abrotman | or is that what you mean ? |
| 18:38.27 | jetscreamer | abrotman: it errors. it's the source. if you don't know what's wrong with it you probably can't help. yes it is, i get the errors with m-a a-i acx100, and building it in the kernel.... et al |
| 18:38.34 | fasta | I have in my exim4 config: dc_localdelivery='maildir_home', but when I send an email it seems to go through my ISP's mail, when I do echo "my test" | mail -s "test message" <user> |
| 18:38.46 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you're right .. i oculd never possibly help |
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| 18:39.09 | jetscreamer | abrotman: i 'think' the dd just needs to update to the upstream source, but i'm still compiling it in a kernel so i'm hoping it will work |
| 18:39.18 | jetscreamer | abrotman: that's not what i meant and you know it |
| 18:39.18 | cast | i got it...if you svn add dir, svn revert dir fixes it. svn add dir is recursive by default, caught me out |
| 18:39.19 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 18:39.20 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you're not showing us errors .. |
| 18:39.34 | abrotman | fasta: is that bad ? |
| 18:39.36 | jetscreamer | abrotman: it's on the laptop... the one with the wireless card... :) |
| 18:39.45 | abrotman | i don't have your laptop! |
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| 18:40.13 | jetscreamer | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=419900 |
| 18:40.25 | fasta | abrotman: well, according to the "tutorial" I was reading it should end up in ~/Maildir/new |
| 18:40.32 | fasta | abrotman: and that doesn't happen. |
| 18:41.03 | jetscreamer | abrotman: symlinking config.h to autoconf.h doesn't help either |
| 18:41.21 | abrotman | jetscreamer: did you read the bug ? |
| 18:41.25 | jetscreamer | yeah |
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| 18:41.57 | abrotman | fasta: did you restart your smtp server? |
| 18:42.09 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you tried the ln -s the yused ? |
| 18:42.25 | jetscreamer | abrotman: i'm not 'really' looking for assistance atm, i'm still trying the upstream source... i was just asking if anybody had had success... yused ? |
| 18:42.31 | jetscreamer | what is yused |
| 18:42.39 | abrotman | they used |
| 18:42.50 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 18:42.51 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 18:43.03 | jetscreamer | i tried everything i could find |
| 18:43.15 | fasta | abrotman: yes |
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| 18:43.38 | abrotman | fasta: is your smtp server set to be a smarthost ? |
| 18:43.41 | cast | now the million dollar question is can i get montage to make append these pngs together in a 61 image high column |
| 18:43.42 | abrotman | erm .. to use a smarthost |
| 18:43.56 | fasta | abrotman: yes |
| 18:44.07 | abrotman | well .. that's why it goes |
| 18:45.17 | fasta | abrotman: I want that outgoing mail goes through my ISP's mailserver and everything sent by procmail should be delivered locally. |
| 18:45.19 | xingu | jetscreamer: see where it says ..."-include autoconf.h"... in the gcc arg trail? |
| 18:45.25 | xingu | jetscreamer: what do you suppose that does? |
| 18:45.55 | abrotman | fasta: i'm not sure how to do that .. i would assume it's possible though |
| 18:46.09 | joefsoD | I installed apache2 on my debian sid but I'm getting: ( The requested URL / was not found on this server. ) |
| 18:46.12 | joefsoD | ?? |
| 18:46.17 | fasta | abrotman: then how does your mail system work? |
| 18:46.24 | abrotman | fasta: my mail is on a real mail host ;) |
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| 18:47.33 | jovans | does anybody knows a good selinux hoto for etch? |
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| 18:47.51 | juancgt | hello... i need some help setting up 2 xservers on 2 screens for my laptop, so that I can control each one independently, and access one (the smaller one) through vnc... any guides or handy howtos? |
| 18:48.26 | jetscreamer | xingu: have pity on me. no i don't see it. |
| 18:48.32 | jetscreamer | where. |
| 18:48.40 | xingu | jetscreamer: in the last bug report entry |
| 18:49.10 | Ash-Fox | Why is it configuring dual monitor support just sucks in every OS? |
| 18:50.00 | jetscreamer | ok i found it xingu ... i would 'guess' (and it would be guessing) that it includes autoconf.h |
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| 18:50.44 | fasta | abrotman: I thought you used IMAP + Maildir? |
| 18:50.49 | abrotman | i do |
| 18:51.03 | abrotman | but it's still a real mail host .. my machine actually sends/recieves mail .. i don't use a smarthost at all |
| 18:51.11 | pipeline | Ash-Fox: I've never had trouble with multi-monitor support under Windows or MacOS. Brain damaged multi-monitor is pretty much an X11 thing :) |
| 18:51.25 | stoned | im goin home |
| 18:51.28 | stoned | too sick |
| 18:51.29 | jetscreamer | ciao |
| 18:51.31 | stoned | bye |
| 18:51.32 | fasta | abrotman: ok, but then your machine is on 24/7? |
| 18:51.37 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:51.39 | xingu | jetscreamer: you'd be right; which means that all the fetzing around in the world with creating links to/from config.h won't fix the problem |
| 18:51.40 | abrotman | hopefully :) |
| 18:51.46 | fasta | abrotman: what happens when your machine is down for a day? |
| 18:51.52 | fasta | abrotman: lost mail? |
| 18:51.58 | pipeline | fasta: down for a day? O_O |
| 18:52.02 | abrotman | hopefully they retry like they should |
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| 18:52.09 | xingu | jetscreamer: the first problem is that acx100-source is short a patch which is s,#include <linux/config.h>,,g in *.c |
| 18:52.17 | Ash-Fox | pipeline, OS X I guess you never had a older mac that officially didn't support dual monitor support, but it was really just blocked in the operating system where you could change one hex value in a binary and get dual monitor support |
| 18:52.25 | pipeline | abrotman: ehh, how do you not get your netblock hosed? |
| 18:52.30 | pipeline | Ash-Fox: No, certainly not. |
| 18:52.32 | abrotman | hosed ? |
| 18:52.45 | pipeline | abrotman: most residential IP blocks have ugly limitations on mail reception by big ISPs. |
| 18:52.48 | xingu | jetscreamer: the second problem is that common.c is doing stupid things with sk_buff and INIT_WORK |
| 18:52.53 | abrotman | pipeline: at work |
| 18:52.56 | pipeline | abrotman: Do you just not talk to AOL.com or Hotmail.com or MSN.com or... |
| 18:52.58 | fasta | abrotman: how does the retry mechanism generally work? exponentional retry? |
| 18:52.59 | pipeline | abrotman: oh gotcha :) |
| 18:52.59 | jetscreamer | ok...... |
| 18:53.04 | abrotman | fasta: roughly yes |
| 18:53.05 | xingu | jetscreamer: things that it really has no business doing; this source is not 2.6.22 ready. |
| 18:53.12 | Ash-Fox | pipeline: Windows: try fullscreen anything on one screen, the moment you click on the other screen on a normal desktop, windows switches out of fullscreen mode on the previous monitor. |
| 18:53.19 | pipeline | fasta: Not exponential, really. Usually reasonable values hardcoded by humans :) |
| 18:53.21 | xingu | jetscreamer: the *maintainer* in the bug report says they no longer have the hardware. |
| 18:53.32 | xingu | jetscreamer: well, not in a working state anyway. |
| 18:53.34 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
| 18:53.38 | abrotman | erm .. factor of two i suppose |
| 18:53.43 | jetscreamer | damn i didn't read the br very well |
| 18:53.44 | pipeline | Ash-Fox: Eh, full-screen is a hack on windows. It's not supposed to work. |
| 18:53.47 | mrsno | Ash-Fox when using what? i use dualscreen on both windows + debian and nothing of the sort happens |
| 18:53.51 | Ash-Fox | Or, if you're really lucky: Windows glitches and flashes the other screen while you spasm in your chair due to epilepsy |
| 18:53.59 | jetscreamer | xingu: thank you, before i forget |
| 18:54.06 | pipeline | Ash-Fox: That's not a Windows problem. That's an "application writers are idiots" problem. |
| 18:54.07 | jetscreamer | forget to say thanks |
| 18:54.13 | abrotman | xingu: you should adopt it! |
| 18:54.30 | abrotman | erm .. jetscreamer ^^ |
| 18:54.33 | Ash-Fox | pipeline, not really, that's a windows design flaw - you can't write it any other way :P |
| 18:54.33 | fasta | pipeline: do you know whether I can use the smart host for sending outgoing mail with exim4 and for everything that comes from procmail I want to have exim deliver it. |
| 18:54.36 | jetscreamer | way beyond me atm |
| 18:54.37 | lokkju_wrk | since sun has GPL'd java, why isn't there a debian package for it? |
| 18:54.43 | jetscreamer | there is |
| 18:54.48 | lokkju_wrk | (not the not free stuff) |
| 18:54.48 | jetscreamer | but it's not full on gpl yet |
| 18:54.48 | abrotman | lokkju_wrk: there is .. and it's still not GPLed |
| 18:55.00 | jetscreamer | it's being done in sections or something |
| 18:55.02 | xingu | jetscreamer: common.c:2752:skb->mac.raw = skb->data; looks both wrong and dangerous, and I know this >< much about netdev. |
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| 18:55.13 | pipeline | fasta: Not an exim user. No clue. |
| 18:55.29 | lokkju_wrk | abrotman, what do you mean it is still not GPLed? |
| 18:55.34 | xingu | jetscreamer: so what does this add up to? it adds up to a path of least resistance - get the upstream source, adopt it, or just build it. |
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| 18:55.41 | pipeline | Ash-Fox: You don't seem to be listening. Full-screen applications aren't supported by Windows APIs. You're not supposed to try to circumvent that. You write a brain-damaged app, surprise surprise, things don't work the way users expect :P |
| 18:55.50 | lokkju_wrk | !info java |
| 18:56.00 | pipeline | lokkju_wrk: GPL java is not complete. |
| 18:56.08 | jetscreamer | xingu: what do you mean by just build it? that's what i can't do, right? |
| 18:56.10 | pipeline | lokkju_wrk: There is, however, a Sun Java under a debian-specific license. |
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| 18:56.15 | joefsoD | I just installed apache2, however, everytime I browse to localhost I get: "The requested URL / was not found on this server." ? |
| 18:56.19 | pipeline | lokkju_wrk: and there are debian packages for that. |
| 18:56.24 | fasta | pipeline: ok, with any program then? |
| 18:56.29 | lokkju_wrk | pipeline, right, but that is in non-free, correct? |
| 18:56.30 | pipeline | joefsoD: Perhaps unsurprisingly, it means that the requested URL / is not found on the server. |
| 18:56.33 | jetscreamer | xingu: i'm trying the upstream atm, but the compile isn't done yet |
| 18:56.49 | joefsoD | pipeline, it's just http://localhost ? |
| 18:56.49 | pipeline | fasta: That would be pretty easy to do with postfix transport tables. |
| 18:56.49 | jetscreamer | and i didn't check the source |
| 18:56.53 | jetscreamer | for fixes |
| 18:56.55 | streuner | lokkju_wrk: pdo |
| 18:56.57 | pipeline | joefsoD: the "/" URL is localhost/. |
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| 18:57.04 | pipeline | joefsoD: Or "www.foo.com/" |
| 18:57.10 | pipeline | joefsoD: Or whatever you have Apache configured to think it is. |
| 18:57.17 | Ash-Fox | pipeline, eh? you're using a windows API to make it fullscreen in the first place. |
| 18:57.28 | pipeline | joefsoD: The point is, wherever "/" is pointing at, there's no index. |
| 18:57.33 | joefsoD | pipeline, i dind't configure anything just apt-get install apache, even http://127.0.0.1 |
| 18:57.41 | joefsoD | pipeline, so it's a bug? |
| 18:57.57 | pipeline | Ash-Fox: No, you're not. That's not an option. You're probably using directX or WinG to screw with the graphics directly, sidestepping win32 entirely. |
| 18:57.58 | Ash-Fox | Heck, standard opengl/directx api calls for fullscreen |
| 18:58.02 | joefsoD | joefso, i have touched an empty index.html in /var/www/ |
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| 18:58.16 | pipeline | Ash-Fox: psst DirectX != win32. DirectX apps do not have to, and usually don't, play nice with the windows shell. |
| 18:58.22 | joefsoD | pipeline, , i have touched an empty index.html in /var/www/ |
| 18:58.24 | pipeline | Ash-Fox: On the contrary, they're usually braindead and make everything act "funny" |
| 18:58.30 | Ash-Fox | windows apis include win32, nativent, directx etc. |
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| 18:58.48 | pipeline | Ash-Fox: Fun fact: When you diddle graphics with things other than win32, the shell doesn't play nice. |
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| 18:59.06 | fasta | abrotman: ok, I already got it. |
| 18:59.17 | pipeline | joefsoD: Either /var/www isn't where / goes, or Apache's not happy with that index. (Permissions?) |
| 18:59.40 | jetscreamer | well i see the dangerous stuff is there |
| 18:59.40 | fasta | abrotman: i.e. it doesn't go through my ISP anymore, but I am now losing the mail. |
| 18:59.50 | fasta | abrotman: i.e. I have no idea where it is. |
| 18:59.51 | Ash-Fox | pipeline, yeah, a design flaw |
| 18:59.51 | joefsoD | pipeline, how odd, I always thought that the default would be fine! as in a working state |
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| 18:59.55 | abrotman | fasta: it's on your box somewhere |
| 19:00.09 | abrotman | or should be |
| 19:00.15 | pipeline | joefsoD: You don't have the default setup. You probably upgraded fr om 2.0 to 2.2. |
| 19:00.24 | pipeline | joefsoD: Try purging the package and then reinstalling: THEN you will have a default setup. |
| 19:00.28 | joefsoD | pipeline, no. fresh install mate |
| 19:00.33 | xingu | jetscreamer: upstream looks kind of dead too; no updates since mid-06 |
| 19:00.36 | pipeline | joefsoD: ooh, ugly. |
| 19:00.38 | joefsoD | pipeline, like, 30 min ago |
| 19:00.40 | pipeline | joefsoD: That sounds like a bug :) |
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| 19:00.59 | fasta | abrotman: this line is in my log: 1IFDyN-0002qw-W4 => fasta <fasta@localhost> R=procmail T=procmail_pipe |
| 19:01.17 | pipeline | joefsoD: I would still try purging and reinstalling before filing the bug report. Who knows, perhaps apache was installed and uninstalled at some point in the past. |
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| 19:01.32 | jetscreamer | thanks xingu |
| 19:01.43 | jetscreamer | yeah |
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| 19:01.56 | jetscreamer | maybe ndiswrapper if this doesn't work |
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| 19:01.57 | abrotman | fasta: is that it ? |
| 19:01.59 | roler | if I have mail.domain.com as my MX for domain.com, do I want the reverse pointer going to domain.com or mail.domain.com ? |
| 19:02.13 | pipeline | Ash-Fox: Yes, a design flaw, on the part of the application author. It is possible with sufficient effort to write full-screen applications that play nice with explorer.exe. Most authors don't bother. |
| 19:02.38 | pipeline | Ash-Fox: e.g. it should not be possible for the mouse to leave the window. |
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| 19:03.16 | Ash-Fox | Heh, you'd be suprised what nview breaks |
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| 19:03.35 | pipeline | Ash-Fox: This is a place where X11's brain-deadness helps. X11 is so weird, the application author can't count on any assumptions. It's hard to write a pathological X11 app because X11 itself is so pathological :) |
| 19:03.55 | pipeline | Ash-Fox: Although people still succeed. (e.g. Modern versions of GTK die on pseudocolor displays.) |
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| 19:04.21 | fasta | abrotman: 1IFDyN-0002qw-W4 Completed |
| 19:04.25 | Serajewe1KS | ok quick question, semi-OT. i have a debian box and a windows box, and i want to backup one folder on the windows box to my debian box while preserving all of the metadata (permissions, etc). what services could i use on the debian box to cooperate with the windows box to retain this info? |
| 19:04.30 | abrotman | fasta: so it went somewhere |
| 19:04.33 | fasta | abrotman: (it was successfull) |
| 19:04.39 | Ash-Fox | I've always avoided dual monitor setups on *nix systems for one reason: I heard horror stories in configuring them :P |
| 19:04.42 | fasta | abrotman: I found it in /var/mail/fasta |
| 19:04.47 | roler | if I have mail.domain.com as my MX for domain.com, do I want the reverse pointer going to domain.com or mail.domain.com ? |
| 19:04.53 | fasta | abrotman: so, it's still not using the Maildir stuff. |
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| 19:05.19 | abrotman | fasta: i think you hav eto tell procmail how to use maildir |
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| 19:05.21 | jetscreamer | Serajewe1KS: ntfs-36 has some acl preservation stuff |
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| 19:05.26 | jetscreamer | err 3g |
| 19:05.29 | mancubus1 | Serajewe1KS, may be you need mount NTF sysrem |
| 19:05.30 | yos87 | Hi |
| 19:05.39 | Ash-Fox | Although, I have been able to use one. I was pleasantly suprised being able to interact wit Second life on one screen and use the desktop on the other |
| 19:05.41 | Serajewe1KS | mancubus1: the linux box is not mounting the filesystem |
| 19:05.47 | Serajewe1KS | mancubus1: it will hold the files |
| 19:05.56 | Serajewe1KS | jetscreamer: -36? |
| 19:06.01 | yos87 | I have file, in windows I use to make open with text editor, I could read, But in debian, it say unknown character encoding, how can I read the file? |
| 19:06.07 | jetscreamer | -3g |
| 19:06.12 | Serajewe1KS | hmm |
| 19:06.20 | Serajewe1KS | jetscreamer: but the fs on the linux box is ext3 |
| 19:06.44 | pipeline | Serajewe1KS: set up an iSCSI target on the Debian system, use the microsoft-supported iSCSI initiator on windows :) |
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| 19:07.12 | pipeline | Serajewe1KS: Also, I believe Samba can preserve NT ACLs if you have extended attributes or what-have-you enabled in ext3. |
| 19:07.29 | Serajewe1KS | pipeline: hmm, how would i check that? |
| 19:07.57 | Serajewe1KS | pipeline: it's a stock lenny install, ext3 formatted with d-i |
| 19:08.10 | mancubus1 | yos87, mount FS with copdepage option |
| 19:08.15 | Serajewe1KS | pipeline: the iscsi thing sounds fun though :) |
| 19:08.24 | jetscreamer | Serajewe1KS: you would need to cp it somehow |
| 19:08.36 | SerajewelKS | ok moving to this account, ssh started working again |
| 19:08.38 | pipeline | Serajewe1KS: I think ext3 extended attributes and ACLs are enabled by default nowadays |
| 19:08.49 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: ok |
| 19:08.52 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: You may have to recompile samba for ACL support though... |
| 19:09.00 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: it's not enabled in stock? |
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| 19:09.30 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: try mount -o remount,acl on a non-root ext3 filesystem and see what happens... |
| 19:09.59 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: ok, i'll make a new ext3 fs on a loop |
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| 19:10.33 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
| 19:11.13 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: google says that you just have to have Samba compiled to support ACLs, then add "nt acl support = yes" to the share definition. |
| 19:11.19 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: seems to work: /root/testfs on /root/testfsm type ext3 (rw,loop=/dev/loop0,acl) |
| 19:11.40 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: any way to check samba short of peeking in the source package? |
| 19:11.45 | fasta | abrotman: I (already?) understand the problem |
| 19:11.53 | abrotman | you do ? |
| 19:12.07 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: Uncertain. I would try enabling the option and see if it works. |
| 19:12.10 | fasta | abrotman: were you just playing with me? |
| 19:12.15 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: ok |
| 19:12.19 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: install the "acl" package to get the acl-viewing/changing tools |
| 19:12.52 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: is that for linux acls or however samba represents acls? |
| 19:13.00 | abrotman | fasta: huh ? |
| 19:13.11 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: it's for the ACL equivalents of chmod and chown |
| 19:13.16 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: so that you can use ext3 and xfs acls |
| 19:13.21 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: manually |
| 19:13.31 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: but does samba use those? |
| 19:14.00 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: the tools? No. It just makes system calls. |
| 19:14.11 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: but you won't know what it's doing if you can't view the ACLs :) |
| 19:14.13 | jetscreamer | driveimager xml is a good win32 backup app |
| 19:14.44 | fasta | abrotman: ok, the problem is that when exim4 receives an email it uses some default procmail configuration I guess, and not the one in my home dir. |
| 19:14.58 | abrotman | fasta: right .. so tell exim to use maildir |
| 19:15.15 | fasta | abrotman: ? I already did |
| 19:15.19 | abrotman | ok |
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| 19:15.57 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: but what i'm asking is is the information that the acl tools checks the same information that samba will be messing with |
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| 19:17.24 | EmprCezar | Is it possible to mark a package so that it won't upgrade? |
| 19:17.34 | abrotman | !hold |
| 19:17.34 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 19:17.35 | jetscreamer | gdit the tools i rented are the wrong size :( |
| 19:17.38 | SerajewelKS | EmprCezar: aptitude hold package |
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| 19:17.56 | stoned | home sweet home |
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| 19:18.30 | JeffH | Is there a system wide crontab that I can use to have a program run at a regular interval? |
| 19:18.34 | kenboo | how to play back mpeg without hardware support? is there a software renderer? |
| 19:18.54 | stoned | kenboo: xv Ithink |
| 19:19.00 | kenboo | thanks. |
| 19:19.02 | stoned | i think |
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| 19:19.18 | EmprCezar | abrotman: SerajewelKS: Thanks |
| 19:19.25 | SerajewelKS | EmprCezar: np |
| 19:19.33 | stoned | jetscreamer: tools to do what? |
| 19:19.37 | stoned | powertools? |
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| 19:19.49 | jetscreamer | fix car yeah |
| 19:20.12 | stoned | ahh |
| 19:20.20 | stoned | have fun |
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| 19:22.03 | xingu | jetscreamer: have you got somewhere I can upload a diff to? I've forward ported the acx100 0.3.35 -> 0.3.36 and fixed the skb->mac.raw bit. |
| 19:22.22 | xingu | jetscreamer: the result will merge with acx100-source and build via m-a; no clue if it'll work. |
| 19:22.33 | JeffH | anyone? |
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| 19:23.01 | xingu | JeffH: /etc/cron.hourly? /etc/crontab? |
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| 19:26.21 | stoned | blob |
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| 19:27.32 | JeffH | so I just put a script in /etc/cron.daily and it will get called once a day? |
| 19:27.42 | morphir | is there anyone who have made a fast and responsive desktop out of debian? (like arch/vector/slackware) |
| 19:27.43 | xingu | seems likely |
| 19:27.55 | stoned | dude what? |
| 19:28.04 | xand | JeffH: don't put any dots in the name, and make sure it's executable. |
| 19:28.05 | stoned | tons |
| 19:28.11 | stoned | damnsmalllinux |
| 19:28.14 | stoned | flonix |
| 19:28.14 | JeffH | xand: thanks |
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| 19:29.47 | stoned | why not just use debian |
| 19:29.55 | stoned | and install fluxbox and other stuff |
| 19:29.57 | xingu | -ENORICE |
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| 19:30.33 | JeffH | when creating a .deb package do you explicitly specify the dependent packages? Or will it determine them? |
| 19:30.37 | morphir | flonix is deprecated |
| 19:30.56 | xingu | JeffH: dh_shlibdeps |
| 19:31.11 | xingu | JeffH: not 100% coverage; but a good bootstrap. |
| 19:31.19 | JeffH | thanks |
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| 19:33.06 | morphir | stoned, that is one |
| 19:33.45 | morphir | dsl is the only one? |
| 19:34.08 | stoned | morphir: what are you looking for? |
| 19:34.12 | stoned | what do you want? |
| 19:34.15 | stoned | basically |
| 19:34.19 | stoned | !wayttd morphir |
| 19:34.19 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, morphir? |
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| 19:34.47 | morphir | hm, a lightweight/fast distro that uses apt-get |
| 19:35.07 | stoned | debian is lightweight, super fast, and uses something better than apt-get |
| 19:35.07 | Thursley | debian |
| 19:35.13 | stoned | aptitude! |
| 19:35.14 | stoned | :D |
| 19:35.18 | stoned | !why debian |
| 19:35.19 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 19:35.20 | mutante_ | just dont use dselect during install :p |
| 19:36.08 | morphir | !dselect |
| 19:36.08 | dpkg | [dselect] a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. see fix-unmet |
| 19:36.36 | eisen | I'm confused, shouldn't there be a nvidia-kernel-source package in the lenny repo for the wrapper module? |
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| 19:37.12 | abrotman | morphir: debian is responsive |
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| 19:38.02 | morphir | abrotman: how responsive compared to ubuntu vanilla? |
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| 19:38.21 | abrotman | morphir: some say quite a bit .. but you'd have to try it for yourself |
| 19:38.30 | xingu | morphir: it's the kind of distribution that you can turn all the way up to eleven |
| 19:39.04 | jetscreamer | eisen: doesn't work with .20 or .21 |
| 19:39.13 | stoned | !why aptitude |
| 19:39.13 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
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| 19:39.25 | hark | eisen: don't think the drivers have been added yet in testing |
| 19:39.26 | eisen | jetscreamer: I know, I'm already back on .18 |
| 19:39.36 | eisen | but why remove the source? |
| 19:39.37 | jetscreamer | dselect fixes dependencies that aptitude can't, btw |
| 19:39.38 | xingu | jetscreamer: aah, you're back; now I have a patch for m-a's acx100 for you if you can give me somewhere to put it that won't eat it. |
| 19:39.44 | jetscreamer | oooo |
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| 19:40.07 | jetscreamer | one sec |
| 19:40.28 | Thursley | exciting :o |
| 19:41.26 | eisen | so, any way to get the nvidia-kernel-source package on lenny? |
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| 19:42.04 | xingu | eisen: simple backport; ingredients required - sid packages for same, sid 2.6.22 kernel? |
| 19:42.07 | hark | backport from sid maybe.. |
| 19:42.12 | eisen | hm |
| 19:42.18 | xingu | eisen: or, recompile lenny kernel with -=paravirt |
| 19:42.27 | hark | you'll also need nvidia-glx and the rest |
| 19:42.30 | eisen | I don't use the lenny kernel |
| 19:42.42 | eisen | I use the kernel from etch |
| 19:42.52 | eisen | well, at least it's almost that kernel |
| 19:42.54 | xingu | eisen: in that case you should be fine, just grab sid's nvidia-glx/ nvidia-kernel-source |
| 19:42.56 | hark | !why is nvidia-kernel-source not in testing |
| 19:42.56 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-source is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-kernel-source |
| 19:43.01 | fasta | abrotman: Ok, I finally see the message in my Maildir, but the message contains: X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on <my machine>) Unknown failure |
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| 19:43.18 | abrotman | ? |
| 19:44.23 | fasta | abrotman: you mean you don't know what "Unknown failure" is? |
| 19:44.30 | lekvar | it's been stuck in sid for quite a while |
| 19:44.33 | morphir | anyone uses the ck scheduler? |
| 19:44.40 | lekvar | morphir: i tried it |
| 19:44.55 | morphir | and you left it? |
| 19:45.06 | dkg | This may not be the best place to ask, but would anyone here happen to know if network neutrality exists with UK ISPs? |
| 19:45.11 | lekvar | morphir: i didnt notice much difference on my box and i'm fiddling with reiser4 so i decided to keep it down to one patch at a time |
| 19:45.39 | lekvar | morphir: but i have a pretty fast machine and aside from building kernels it's loafing anywya most of the time |
| 19:45.39 | abrotman | fasta: that's the entire body? |
| 19:45.44 | morphir | lekvar: you work on r4? |
| 19:45.48 | eisen | sadly the nvidia version etch offered was the only one that never crashed on vt switch :-( |
| 19:45.49 | fasta | abrotman: no |
| 19:45.54 | fasta | abrotman: one of the headers |
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| 19:46.10 | xingu | dkg: no |
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| 19:46.23 | lekvar | morphir: i wish. just a user. |
| 19:46.26 | dkg | xingu: Thank you. |
| 19:46.40 | xingu | dkg: regulator specifies equal access to media, transport is operator's business to make the rules for. |
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| 19:47.18 | xingu | equal/competitative |
| 19:47.18 | morphir | lekvar: I saw the benchmark of r4 vs everyone, and I was stoked. |
| 19:47.31 | morphir | I wonder how reiser4 is coming along |
| 19:47.39 | xingu | everybody, this is fun, join in! |
| 19:48.26 | lekvar | just get what you can from the debs and compile your own. it seems to work fine. |
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| 19:51.06 | abrotman | fasta: just one ? |
| 19:51.24 | Rusty1 | hello, need a little dpkg help http://rafb.net/p/fzvd5d49.html |
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| 19:52.05 | abrotman | !tell Rusty1 about overwrite |
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| 19:52.58 | jf_ | Rusty: you want to install a package that want to overwrite an existing file |
| 19:55.36 | devicenull | is there a simple way to fix stuttering dvd playback? |
| 19:55.52 | xingu | devicenull: make sure dma is turned on is a good start |
| 19:55.55 | devicenull | I found a guide for ubuntu that refers to hdparam |
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| 19:56.01 | xand | hdparm. |
| 19:56.02 | xingu | that'd be it. |
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| 19:56.39 | jf_ | devicenull: sometimes it helps to increase the priority of the dvd plaver |
| 19:56.54 | devicenull | hm.. |
| 19:56.59 | xingu | devicenull: having enough horses under the bonnet to decompress the stream helps too. |
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| 19:57.06 | devicenull | well |
| 19:57.39 | devicenull | it definitely should be able to play dvd's |
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| 20:01.10 | fasta | abrotman: never mind, I also understand this too :) |
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| 20:02.30 | wykis | Hello, how can I create an 'empty' .deb so that I would not need to install over a manually installed package? |
| 20:03.19 | devicenull | Is there a module I have to install to get dma? |
| 20:03.30 | cast | hdparm -d1 is normally enough |
| 20:04.16 | devicenull | HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
| 20:04.25 | devicenull | google seems to think I need some type of module loaded |
| 20:04.29 | devicenull | I can't figure out which though |
| 20:04.49 | BullWeivel | anyone know of a magical cd for SATA drives ????? trying to do an install and during bootup I see it showing the drives, but during install its like it is not finding them... go into console during install and do modprobe but that doesnt work either. |
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| 20:06.01 | magyar | by default debian sshd has no inactive session timeout. How can i set an hour timeout? |
| 20:06.16 | jf_ | BullWeivel: which kernel version do you use? which distribution? etch? |
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| 20:06.51 | BullWeivel | testing is what i prefer...but i will upgrade from stable if i must. preferable 2.6 kernel...but i can always upgrade from 2.4 :) I am open ! |
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| 20:07.00 | BullWeivel | just dont want unstable. |
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| 20:07.17 | pramz | magyar, IdleTimeout in sshd_config |
| 20:07.26 | magyar | pramz: thanks |
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| 20:08.16 | devicenull | hah, figured it out |
| 20:08.40 | pramz | magyar, also try ClientAliveInterval <seconds> and ClientAliveCountMax 0 in your sshd_config as well |
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| 20:12.00 | MrSmile | Hallo people! I need help, I don't get the debian installer to run. I don't know what I am doing wrong ? |
| 20:12.04 | devicenull | hey, is there any program that will scan for wireless networks, and automatically connect to certain ones if they are detected? |
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| 20:12.18 | MrSmile | I have downloaded debain testing for IA64 |
| 20:12.28 | JeffH | I usually use 'apt-get' to install packages.. I'm trying to retrain myself to use aptitude instead.. is there an easy way to disable apt-get so that I don't mistakenly use it? |
| 20:12.33 | MrSmile | and burned the CD, and he doesn't boot. |
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| 20:14.03 | MrSmile | can somebody help me? |
| 20:14.06 | devicenull | JeffH: open ~/.bashrc add "alias apt-get='echo Don't use me'" |
| 20:14.17 | devicenull | which should work |
| 20:15.02 | wykis | can someone tell me how to create an empty .deb file so apt-get would not delete files of my current ffmpeg installation??? |
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| 20:15.29 | wykis | I built ffmpeg manually and now as one program's dependency, apt-get requires me to install ffmpeg. how can I avoid that? |
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| 20:15.46 | SysFiller | buonasera |
| 20:15.56 | petemc | wykis: equivs |
| 20:16.05 | wykis | petemc: and what does that mean? |
| 20:16.11 | SysFiller | good evening |
| 20:16.13 | petemc | wykis: its the name of a package |
| 20:16.20 | wykis | okay, thanks petemc |
| 20:16.22 | wykis | will lookup |
| 20:16.25 | petemc | np |
| 20:16.50 | MrSmile | how did you guys install debian? |
| 20:17.43 | petemc | most peopel use the installer |
| 20:18.04 | MrSmile | there is netinstall and business card. |
| 20:18.19 | petemc | theres lots more than that.. |
| 20:18.27 | MrSmile | I downloaded before the netinstall, burned it on the CD and tried to boot. |
| 20:18.33 | MrSmile | but it won't. |
| 20:19.06 | petemc | read the install guide, it tells you how to burn the cd and how to check if its ok after burning |
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| 20:19.26 | MrSmile | usually it shoeld boot from the cd? |
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| 20:19.32 | petemc | MrSmile: yes |
| 20:19.45 | MrSmile | aha, okay... I thought I made something wrong. |
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| 20:19.54 | petemc | thats a possibility |
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| 20:20.44 | BullWeivel | NetInstall.... will it detect SATA drives ??? |
| 20:20.44 | MrSmile | the testing doesn't make it. I will use now the released one. |
| 20:20.54 | JeffH | devicenull: thanks. |
| 20:20.57 | xand | !??? |
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| 20:21.22 | MrSmile | the dvdrom is a ATAPI drive. |
| 20:21.44 | MrSmile | not connected to SATA, however ubuntu does it. |
| 20:21.51 | MrSmile | I thought I made something wrong. |
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| 20:22.27 | lekvar | installing with a usb fob is much nicer than listening to an optical drive chugging and struggling |
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| 20:26.48 | devicenull | wtf |
| 20:27.08 | devicenull | why does debian come with a year old version of kismet? |
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| 20:27.52 | TwinX | ist it working, is it stable? |
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| 20:34.01 | asarch | Hi everyone, how is it getting along? |
| 20:34.06 | asarch | How's the weather? |
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| 20:34.21 | PaniCC | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.25 | asarch | Do you know a program to convert PowerPoint files into bitmaps? |
| 20:34.39 | streuner | PaniCC: *cough* |
| 20:34.42 | abrotman | !explore2fs |
| 20:34.43 | dpkg | well, explore2fs is a win32 utility that lets you read and write(at your own risk!) ext2 file systems under win9x/nt/2000. URL: http://www.chrysocome.net/explore2fs [Ask me about ext2ifs] |
| 20:34.45 | streuner | partitionmagic |
| 20:35.13 | abrotman | streuner: what does that have to do with it ? |
| 20:35.16 | streuner | PaniCC: why do you ask windows questions here? |
| 20:35.22 | abrotman | !ext2ifs |
| 20:35.23 | dpkg | [ext2ifs] a Windows NT driver for reading ext2/3 filesystems. http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ext2ifs.htm |
| 20:35.32 | Blissex | welcome to you too :-) |
| 20:35.34 | Blissex | PaniCC: http://fs-driver.org |
| 20:35.44 | PaniCC | its a cross os question |
| 20:36.01 | Blissex | abrotman: I think that Fs-driver.org is nicer, not as open source though. |
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| 20:36.22 | abrotman | Blissex: you think all kinds of weird things .. you're canadian! |
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| 20:37.08 | PaniCC | anyone heard of paragon mount everything? |
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| 20:41.43 | asarch | Douh! Just use "Save As..." and save the presentation as an HTML file |
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| 20:43.17 | norc | what is the current package name for the nvidia drivers? |
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| 20:43.39 | norc | (that is if they are still in the stable repositories) |
| 20:44.09 | |messiah| | I have a problem with my debian 4, I was using debian 3 I update it and now the X dosen't work, someone can help me please? |
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| 20:45.02 | abrotman | look in your X log |
| 20:45.06 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 20:45.06 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 20:45.19 | norc | abrotman: thanks.. mhm |
| 20:45.34 | norc | I thought they bundled that together in something called nvidia-drivers |
| 20:45.39 | norc | maybe this was on Lenny *shrugs* |
| 20:45.46 | norc | (before it was moved to unstable) |
| 20:46.07 | |messiah| | yes when X was starting stop and said an warning: Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but <RALT> has 2 symbols Ignoring extra symbols. Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server |
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| 20:46.10 | |messiah| | but anyway stops |
| 20:46.39 | Kjikaqawej | there's more to it i'm sure.... |
| 20:46.50 | |messiah| | is the log said Fatal server error: could not open default font, how can I fix that? |
| 20:46.50 | Kjikaqawej | look for EE in yor X log |
| 20:47.02 | Kjikaqawej | that's what it is |
| 20:47.17 | Kjikaqawej | !tell |messiah| -about fixed font |
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| 20:48.25 | |messiah| | thanks Kjikaqawej I am installing this now |
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| 20:49.37 | joefso | for VIA chipset, which kernel type is best suited, k7 of 686? |
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| 20:50.21 | Kjikaqawej | depends on cpu, not chipset |
| 20:50.48 | orn | hmm, can you ask for help relating to broken packages here? |
| 20:51.05 | Kjikaqawej | dunno can you? :P |
| 20:51.12 | orn | :) |
| 20:51.15 | Kjikaqawej | !ask to ask |
| 20:51.15 | dpkg | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're unsure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>. |
| 20:51.38 | orn | haha, well, some channels are very anal (asterisk in particular) on what you can and can't ask |
| 20:51.51 | |messiah| | Is fixed thanks |
| 20:52.03 | orn | but anyway, i am running testing, and when i try to install php5-imap i get: php5-imap: Depends: phpapi-20060613+lfs |
| 20:52.07 | Kjikaqawej | |messiah|: cool |
| 20:52.35 | orn | E: Broken packages |
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| 20:52.51 | Kjikaqawej | how are you installing it? seems something isn't in lenny yet |
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| 20:53.19 | orn | via apt |
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| 20:54.10 | antgel | trying to sort cups with a serial printer, have added lp to dialout group, however cups error_log reports "Unable to open serial port device file "/dev/ttyS0": Permission denied". which user does cups spawn jobs as if not lp? |
| 20:54.21 | orn | kjikaqawej: apt-get install php5-imap |
| 20:54.28 | antgel | abrotman: HELLO! |
| 20:54.34 | abrotman | HI! |
| 20:54.37 | fasta | Does Fetchmail run as a demon by default? |
| 20:54.41 | antgel | how you doing geezer? |
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| 20:54.59 | Kjikaqawej | the phpapi-* usually is the distributed php stuff, so either someone got the deps wrong, or it's not lenny yet... i don't track lenny so you'll have to dig a bit to find out what's up, or wait for it to come in |
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| 20:55.05 | fasta | daemon* |
| 20:55.09 | Kjikaqawej | not in lenny* |
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| 20:55.38 | orn | Kjikaqawej: Was that for me? |
| 20:55.43 | Kjikaqawej | orn: yup |
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| 20:55.54 | orn | Kjikaqawej: so I should try to run it from stable then or? |
| 20:55.57 | orn | err, install it? |
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| 20:55.59 | simonrvn | hi antgel |
| 20:56.04 | simonrvn | no |
| 20:56.14 | stoned | yo |
| 20:56.17 | stoned | my man |
| 20:56.19 | simonrvn | use aptitude to figure out the deps first |
| 20:56.23 | simonrvn | hi stoned |
| 20:56.25 | antgel | simonrvn: hey, how's it going? |
| 20:56.32 | antgel | what happened to SimonRaven? |
| 20:56.34 | simonrvn | good :). you? |
| 20:56.41 | simonrvn | <--- |
| 20:56.57 | simonrvn | they have merged |
| 20:56.57 | antgel | yeah good as well, been on holiday for a month *smug* |
| 20:57.12 | antgel | wow, are they a split personality? |
| 20:57.23 | stoned | nice |
| 20:57.28 | simonrvn | yes, when a netsplit happens, they go poof |
| 20:57.33 | stoned | i'd like a religion that has a month long holiday |
| 20:57.40 | stoned | its my religion right man |
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| 20:57.43 | stoned | I need a month off |
| 20:57.43 | antgel | their sexuality is really nothing to do with me :D |
| 20:57.45 | stoned | i can't work |
| 20:57.47 | stoned | :D |
| 20:57.58 | simonrvn | antgel: hehe |
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| 20:58.23 | simonrvn | stoned: haven't had a vacation in... ever! |
| 20:58.28 | stoned | take one |
| 20:58.31 | stoned | what do you do anyway? |
| 20:58.36 | stoned | besides peyote ;) |
| 20:58.39 | stoned | hehe |
| 20:58.41 | simonrvn | in-between jobs ;) |
| 20:58.55 | antgel | ah, IRC, the place i'd spend much more time if my rsi didn't dictate otherwise. and finding a woman to have my babies |
| 20:58.56 | simonrvn | i've never done peyote actually |
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| 20:59.12 | stoned | antgel: dude |
| 20:59.13 | simonrvn | antgel: hehe |
| 20:59.18 | stoned | you want to find a woman for babies |
| 20:59.21 | stoned | heh |
| 20:59.32 | stoned | I thought we all wanted to find women to do other stuff with |
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| 20:59.43 | Bogus8 | I'm having issues trying to understand how to do math functions in bash |
| 20:59.47 | simonrvn | like chit chat |
| 20:59.48 | antgel | what a surprise, that "stoned" uses the word "dude" |
| 20:59.56 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.57 | Bogus8 | I want to divide a number |
| 21:00.04 | antgel | chit chat is fine but i'm getting older, better sow my oats as well |
| 21:00.07 | Bogus8 | from what I am gathering I need to use bc? |
| 21:00.19 | simonrvn | Bogus8: "3 / 4"; or use bc yes ;) |
| 21:00.35 | pocukrani | how to upgrade amsn to laters version ? |
| 21:00.41 | Bogus8 | sorry... multiply a number with a decimal point... division will happen also |
| 21:00.44 | simonrvn | i usually use it like 'bc -li' |
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| 21:00.52 | antgel | i could never get bc to work, it always cut off the decimal places. i should have read the manual |
| 21:00.58 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: how many decimals places can bash handle? |
| 21:01.05 | simonrvn | man bash |
| 21:01.09 | simonrvn | dunno |
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| 21:01.20 | antgel | pocukrani: what release of debian are you running? |
| 21:01.22 | simonrvn | probably as many as the computer can handle |
| 21:01.32 | pocukrani | etch |
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| 21:01.58 | antgel | pocukrani: okay, debian doesn't increment app versions in a release |
| 21:02.02 | simonrvn | why don't people use gaim/pidgin for msn/jabber/whatever? |
| 21:02.18 | antgel | GUI NAZI! |
| 21:02.25 | antgel | is amsn gui? |
| 21:02.34 | simonrvn | no, just the only one i know of that works ok |
| 21:02.39 | simonrvn | probably |
| 21:02.52 | antgel | it is |
| 21:02.59 | simonrvn | i installed one, centericq fork, last night. text based |
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| 21:03.06 | stoned | what |
| 21:03.10 | stoned | why would you say that? |
| 21:03.11 | antgel | amsn is written in tcl, come on, what's not to like? |
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| 21:03.29 | simonrvn | stoned: what? |
| 21:03.31 | stoned | later have kids, but first do a lot of other stuff |
| 21:03.38 | antgel | heh |
| 21:03.45 | simonrvn | blink blink |
| 21:03.48 | Bogus8 | I'm trying to script this also ... so I've done "iTerm=($1 * 30.41667)" but when I run the script it doesn't do the math |
| 21:04.05 | stoned | and if you have a problem with stoners, then you can just gitout |
| 21:04.16 | orn | simonrvn: so how do i figure out the deps? |
| 21:04.16 | antgel | stoned: yeah, but done lots of stuff with lots of women, and now it's time to sow oats |
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| 21:04.20 | MangosDebian | Bogus8: $((2+2))? |
| 21:04.32 | stoned | antgel: oh well yeh i forgot |
| 21:04.35 | stoned | old people |
| 21:04.57 | Bogus8 | MangosDebian: I tried that also ... no luck |
| 21:04.57 | antgel | stoned: assume a smiley after all i say unless i do this :| |
| 21:04.57 | Bogus8 | MangosDebian: well not in that basic sense but with my numbers |
| 21:04.57 | simonrvn | orn: use aptitude for starters, it's easier to manage them with it (or dselect) |
| 21:05.03 | MangosDebian | Bogus8: echo $((1 + 1)) show anything? |
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| 21:05.04 | antgel | stoned: you mean experienced people, right? |
| 21:05.10 | Bogus8 | MangosDebian: let me check |
| 21:05.17 | stoned | not always |
| 21:05.34 | MangosDebian | Bogus8: thats all integers though. not sure if bash does real's or what the syntax would be off hand |
| 21:05.47 | stoned | antgel: ok so you want to have babies? |
| 21:05.48 | stoned | why? |
| 21:05.52 | stoned | and how many? |
| 21:06.12 | Bogus8 | MangosDebian: that works on cli but not in script :-/ |
| 21:06.19 | antgel | stoned: i reckon. so as to continue the story. no less than 2, no more than 20 |
| 21:06.22 | antgel | HTH |
| 21:06.29 | stoned | holy fuck |
| 21:06.31 | stoned | 20!? |
| 21:06.37 | stoned | dude two is a solid # |
| 21:06.39 | stoned | thats it |
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| 21:06.42 | antgel | heh |
| 21:06.48 | simonrvn | 20? my mom's family had 15... |
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| 21:06.51 | stoned | you destroy the natural balance of life by having more than 2 kids |
| 21:07.00 | Bogus8 | I'm the youngest of 9 and that's a lot |
| 21:07.04 | stoned | wow! |
| 21:07.05 | simonrvn | effing catholics |
| 21:07.11 | Bogus8 | haha |
| 21:07.20 | MangosDebian | Bogus8: are you exporting the var? |
| 21:07.21 | simonrvn | i can say that as an ex-member ;) |
| 21:07.33 | Bogus8 | MangosDebian: I'm setting it then echo'ing it |
| 21:07.39 | antgel | simonrvn: you might think you're an ex-member, but you can't get away from it :) |
| 21:07.44 | stoned | its because of people like you guys, that I have to wait on the highway going 10mph cuz its packed, or I can't find a good parking spot, or have to go through a rat maze in order to enjoy a ride at the theme park |
| 21:07.47 | simonrvn | oh yes you can |
| 21:07.52 | stoned | I'm not haing anything more than 2 kids |
| 21:07.56 | MangosDebian | Bogus8: ok. whats the exact lines your using? |
| 21:07.58 | stoned | at least I'll try not to |
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| 21:08.09 | seria-mau | i noticed that i can use irssi with urxvt + mark-urls to make urls clickable. it even works with urls which are wrapped! how does irssi do this? all other terminal apps i've seen so far are confusing mark-urls by wrapping lines in another way |
| 21:08.12 | stoned | too many people in this world |
| 21:08.19 | stoned | we need to stop having kids for a while |
| 21:08.25 | stoned | anyway |
| 21:08.31 | Bogus8 | MangosDebian: well it's gone now.. but it was iTerm=$((1 + 1)) and then later echo $iTerm |
| 21:08.35 | antgel | stoned: beautiful poetry dude |
| 21:09.00 | stoned | heh |
| 21:09.02 | stoned | word man |
| 21:09.04 | stoned | word |
| 21:09.19 | MangosDebian | Bogus8: works fine here |
| 21:09.27 | stoned | apt-get install funny-manpages && man condom |
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| 21:09.37 | seria-mau | sorry, flase chan :\ |
| 21:09.52 | MangosDebian | Bogus8: perhaps try: export iTerm=$((1+1)); echo $iTerm |
| 21:09.58 | Bogus8 | MangosDebian: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
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| 21:10.17 | simonrvn | wrap it already |
| 21:10.28 | stoned | exactly ! |
| 21:10.29 | stoned | ;) |
| 21:10.33 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 21:10.34 | MangosDebian | Bogus8: Bogus8 are you using integers or reals? |
| 21:10.47 | simonrvn | i meant double quotes, but condoms are good wrappers too |
| 21:10.48 | Bogus8 | MangosDebian: right now I just used 1 + 7 |
| 21:10.52 | stoned | lol |
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| 21:11.08 | simonrvn | they have to fit though... |
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| 21:11.22 | MangosDebian | Bogus8: what shell is your script running? |
| 21:11.28 | stoned | simonrvn: you are an old man? |
| 21:11.29 | antgel | hard to find ones that fit a big cock like my appendage |
| 21:11.39 | Bogus8 | MangosDebian: bash |
| 21:11.46 | stoned | or a young man? |
| 21:11.47 | antgel | is there an irc command like /recall_comment? |
| 21:11.54 | simonrvn | stoned: no, blessed/NDN. that's all i'm saying |
| 21:12.05 | stoned | simonrvn: 20? |
| 21:12.09 | stoned | 30? |
| 21:12.13 | stoned | 32? |
| 21:12.16 | MangosDebian | Bogus8: should work then. no extra spaces? |
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| 21:12.25 | simonrvn | age? 35 |
| 21:12.31 | Bogus8 | MangosDebian: I'll double check |
| 21:12.31 | stoned | oh |
| 21:12.35 | stoned | hey word man |
| 21:12.41 | stoned | you were 9 when i was born |
| 21:12.42 | stoned | ahaa |
| 21:13.16 | Bogus8 | iTerms=((1 + 7)) |
| 21:13.16 | Bogus8 | echo $iTerms |
| 21:13.24 | krazykit | he was 15 when i was born >_> |
| 21:13.24 | Bogus8 | MangosDebian: that's the exact command |
| 21:13.42 | MangosDebian | Bogus8: wheres the $? |
| 21:13.57 | MangosDebian | Bogus8: iTerms=$((1+7)) |
| 21:14.16 | antgel | !changelog |
| 21:14.16 | dpkg | The Debian changelog for foo can be found in /usr/share/doc/foo/ if foo is installed, with $ dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile foo.deb| tar --wildcards -xOf - '*changelog.Debian.gz'|gzip -d|less; if you have a non-installed .deb, or on http://changelogs.debian.net/bar if foo is built from source package bar. |
| 21:14.20 | Bogus8 | MangosDebian: ok... I had that earlier... my bad |
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| 21:14.43 | Bogus8 | MangosDebian: but can I multiply 5 * 30.416666 ? |
| 21:15.08 | MangosDebian | Bogus8: no reals that I know of |
| 21:15.26 | Bogus8 | MangosDebian: ok, so how do I get that accomplished? |
| 21:15.34 | BullWeivel | how does one install Etch with 2.6 kernel ??? |
| 21:15.43 | MangosDebian | Bogus8: i believe bc was suggested earlier. or perl if your comfortable with it |
| 21:15.54 | simonrvn | BullWeivel: default kernel is 2.6 |
| 21:15.59 | Bogus8 | MangosDebian: yeah, I had asked about bc... I just don't really undertand how to use it |
| 21:16.07 | simonrvn | bc -li |
| 21:16.11 | BullWeivel | okay...thanks. |
| 21:16.17 | simonrvn | gives you interactive |
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| 21:16.33 | simonrvn | bc -l gives you the full math libs |
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| 21:16.39 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: ok but how to do it in the script? |
| 21:16.46 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: that is neat though |
| 21:16.57 | Bogus8 | if I could run loops directly in that I wouldn't need a script |
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| 21:17.40 | simonrvn | i'm sure you could. man bc |
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| 21:17.55 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: you are correct |
| 21:17.57 | simonrvn | i just use it as a text calculator |
| 21:18.01 | Bogus8 | I attempted it but it didn't lik eit |
| 21:18.05 | Bogus8 | my syntax |
| 21:18.58 | simonrvn | 2 + 4 ; 4 / 2; 4 * 4; (2 + 3) * 3 ; all valid syntax |
| 21:19.02 | klobster | hey how does debian handle runlevels? I have multiuser modes 2-5, what is the difference? which one should i use to start kdm? |
| 21:19.12 | selim | can someone help me and tell me what could be the reason for a newly installed exim4 not to deliver any emails even if they are sent from localhost? All I get it a mailq full of -frozen- mails |
| 21:19.15 | dondelelcaro | !runlevels |
| 21:19.15 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf', 'sysv-rc-conf' or 'file-rc' instead - see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 : or ask me about <startup> |
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| 21:19.38 | dondelelcaro | klobster: see above; in short there's basically no difference between runlevels by default, so all of 2-5 will start kdm |
| 21:19.41 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: yeah, I'm trying to sort it out... you know I'll holler back if I can't sort it ;) |
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| 21:19.53 | dondelelcaro | klobster: but if you want it to do something different, feel free to configure it |
| 21:20.39 | klobster | thank you very much dondelelcaro |
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| 21:21.20 | antgel | trying to sort cups with a serial printer, have added lp to dialout group, however cups error_log reports "Unable to open serial port device file "/dev/ttyS0": Permission denied". which user does cups spawn jobs as if not lp? have i missed something obvious? cupsd runs as root, and both root and lp can "echo hello > /dev/ttyS0" with no error |
| 21:21.43 | antgel | ttyS0 is +rw for dialout group |
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| 21:22.00 | simonrvn | antgel: simple, ps ;). find out what it's running as |
| 21:22.26 | antgel | simonrvn: er, what what's running as? the cups backend? it's there and gone in a flash |
| 21:22.40 | antgel | maybe i could try top |
| 21:22.44 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 21:23.27 | antgel | ooh, top -d 0.1 is fun |
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| 21:23.49 | antgel | FSV of fun |
| 21:23.51 | Tokeiito | good evening |
| 21:24.11 | themill | antgel: I think it runs as group lp |
| 21:24.19 | antgel | stoned: you see why it's a big mission for me to have descendents? what chick is gonna put up with that? |
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| 21:24.54 | antgel | themill: that's what i thought, which is why i added lp to the dialout group, in which case WTF can't it write to /dev/ttyS0 |
| 21:25.05 | themill | antgel: no... group lp |
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| 21:25.33 | antgel | themill: ? |
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| 21:25.46 | klobster | dondelelcaro: so basically 3-5 are not used? |
| 21:25.48 | Tokeiito | can't figure out where must be courier-maildrop mysql configuration file. there is no manual about that. any one can help? |
| 21:26.31 | SerajewelKS | is there something like tail for following binary files, but starting from the beginning of the file? |
| 21:26.46 | fasta | abrotman: How is the mapping between IMAP folders and directories in Maildir? |
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| 21:27.31 | antgel | themill: as in, er how can a process run as group lp? |
| 21:27.56 | dondelelcaro | klobster: they're just configured exactly the same by default |
| 21:27.59 | dondelelcaro | klobster: you can use them if you want |
| 21:28.26 | klobster | but the system does not cycle through all 5 by default, it only goes to two and stops, no? |
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| 21:28.54 | Tokeiito | i'm trying to configure courier-maildrop + mysql for information about vmail directories. i can't find any information where must be places maildropmysql.cnf file. any advice? |
| 21:29.31 | themill | antgel: each process runs with the credentials of a user and a group. I believe cups runs its backends in the "lp" group. |
| 21:29.33 | dondelelcaro | klobster: no system goes through all five; there's a default runlevel, and that's what the system boots to. |
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| 21:29.38 | themill | antgel: try changing the group of the serial device to "lp" |
| 21:29.55 | joefsoD | there is this debian site, debian-administrator or something |
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| 21:30.18 | joefsoD | something |
| 21:30.19 | klobster | dondelelcaro: so if default was runlevel 4 it would cycle through 2-4, or only do 4? |
| 21:30.20 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: alright I don't get it |
| 21:30.21 | joefsoD | what is the actual site? |
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| 21:30.44 | antgel | themill: i'll do it as a proof-of-concept only, as everyone knows i wouldn't knob up permissions :D |
| 21:30.49 | simonrvn | Bogus8: took me a while to grok bc too ;). it's ok |
| 21:31.04 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: how would I write a simple loop that took 1500 and stuffed that in a varible and then did $var * 0.000137 for 152 times |
| 21:31.35 | simonrvn | for loop with bc in it |
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| 21:32.42 | OLDANACONDA | hi |
| 21:33.01 | antgel | themill: pretty legendary stuff. worked. so what /user/ does the backend run as? |
| 21:33.46 | antgel | themill: as i don't want to change the permissions on ttyS0 |
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| 21:34.12 | fasta | abrotman: again, never mind |
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| 21:34.41 | fasta | Wow, I actually somehow seemed to have understood the whole mail tool chain. |
| 21:34.48 | fasta | :) |
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| 21:34.59 | dondelelcaro | klobster: it would only do 4 |
| 21:35.02 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: I don't get how to put bc in a script or for loop |
| 21:35.13 | simonrvn | man bash ;) |
| 21:35.19 | Bogus8 | haha |
| 21:35.21 | jelly-home | Bogus8: read bc manual |
| 21:35.32 | Bogus8 | jelly-home: been looking at it... I'll keep at it |
| 21:35.43 | jelly-home | Bogus8: EXAMPLES section is nice |
| 21:35.44 | klobster | dondelelcaro: now I am starting to understand. thank you, I will research more the docs you suggested. |
| 21:35.49 | simonrvn | Bogus8: you'll get it eventually. just don't forget to sleep :) |
| 21:35.58 | dondelelcaro | klobster: yeah, those should make it clear; if you still have questions, feel free to ask here |
| 21:36.07 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: lol |
| 21:36.17 | jelly-home | Bogus8: bash faq is nice too. |
| 21:36.25 | jelly-home | !bash faq |
| 21:36.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bash faq is http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq |
| 21:36.43 | klobster | dondelelcaro: it was just those few things it assumed i knew, that's why i wanted to ask first. |
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| 21:37.31 | themill | antgel: man 7 backend says that it would be run as the user "lp" if possible. So either put the device into the lp group or have it owned by the lp user and that will be fine. If you change it once, I think it will persist across reboots, else there is a little udev dance you can do to make it automatic. |
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| 21:39.13 | antgel | themill: ah. but i don't want to change the group of the device as it's not always a printer. i saw that manpage as well. hence, if it's running as the lp user, and the lp user is in the dialout group, i don't see why it can't access the port |
| 21:39.22 | antgel | i've restarted cups of course |
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| 21:39.53 | ndee | as root, how can I execute a command as user foo? |
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| 21:40.08 | antgel | ndee: man su? |
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| 21:40.48 | streuner | sudo? |
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| 21:41.00 | antgel | there's so many fascinating ways |
| 21:41.01 | Gargantua | hello |
| 21:41.02 | streuner | !info sudo |
| 21:41.07 | dpkg | sudo: (Provide limited super user privileges to specific users), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.6.8p12-5 (sid), Packaged size: 158 kB, Installed size: 400 kB |
| 21:41.12 | Gargantua | how do I login as root from the login screen? |
| 21:41.17 | themill | antgel: you can do some udev magic to make sure that the device is always a printer and not some other serial device.... you can even make it always /dev/myserialprinter if you want :) |
| 21:41.19 | antgel | right-click on it, then choose "run as..." :P |
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| 21:41.32 | themill | Gargantua: graphical login screen or text login screen? |
| 21:41.35 | fasta | Gargantua: define login screen |
| 21:41.36 | streuner | antgel:LTNS |
| 21:41.46 | Gargantua | themill: graphical login screen. |
| 21:41.55 | fasta | Gargantua: you change the settings |
| 21:42.00 | Gargantua | the one that shows up when one starts X. |
| 21:42.01 | themill | Gargantua: you can't (easily) and you really don't want to... |
| 21:42.04 | fasta | Gargantua: for GDM there is a nice button |
| 21:42.10 | fasta | Gargantua: don't know about others |
| 21:42.16 | streuner | antgel: did you see "Paul"? |
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| 21:42.30 | Gargantua | fasta: GDM? |
| 21:42.38 | fasta | !gdm |
| 21:42.38 | dpkg | hmm... gdm is the Gnome Display Manager. A gnome based display manager based on xdm, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind.. see gdm fix, or uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession, or kicks ass!, or (a word that You can confuse with "gpm", gpm is that thingy to have mouse cursor in text console) |
| 21:42.49 | streuner | antgel: Potts |
| 21:42.58 | antgel | themill: let's just say writing udev rules isn't my idea of a party in the park. and i still don't see why adding lp to the dialout group doesn't work, as user lp can echo to the serial port okay. i have to see for myself if the backend is running as lp |
| 21:43.22 | antgel | streuner: indeed, rsi and RL mean that i'm rarely on irc these days |
| 21:43.24 | Gargantua | so GDM is an alternative to X? |
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| 21:43.40 | streuner | no |
| 21:43.41 | antgel | and when i am, i'm asking for help. oh, the shame *shakes head sadly* |
| 21:43.56 | antgel | streuner: paul potts? |
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| 21:44.13 | streuner | antgel: yeah, whole .uk speaking about him (listening) |
| 21:44.14 | themill | antgel: Writing udev rules isn't my idea of fun either. I can't tell you why it doesn't work... unless cups tries to drop all privs it can before executing the backend. |
| 21:44.31 | fasta | Gargantua: you should read a basic book on Linux. More efficient than asking questions here. |
| 21:44.37 | isleshocky78 | When I run aptitude upgrade, it says 39 packages being held back. But when I say aptitude dist-upgrade it wants to remove qmail.. which I don't think is good. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 21:45.01 | antgel | streuner: i had to google him. much of .uk has brain rot |
| 21:45.09 | Gargantua | fasta: ok, so no one is going to tell me how to login from the graphical screen? :P |
| 21:45.25 | fasta | Gargantua: You are asking the wrong question |
| 21:45.40 | Gargantua | I'm asking what I'm asking |
| 21:45.44 | fasta | Gargantua: there is no "_the_ graphical screen" |
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| 21:45.56 | streuner | isleshocky78: /msg dpkg qmail |
| 21:45.58 | antgel | Gargantua: being sarcastic is the best way to get help |
| 21:46.14 | fasta | Gargantua: so, if you want an answer, you should ask a fully specified question. |
| 21:46.24 | fasta | Gargantua: people don't like to guess |
| 21:46.39 | fasta | Gargantua: can you understand that? |
| 21:46.55 | Gargantua | How do I login from the login screen that shows up when one turns on the system or (re)starts X? |
| 21:46.55 | themill | Gargantua: could you please tell us why you want to log in as root. (Hint: we will probably try to convince you that you don't want to and that it's a *really* bad idea) |
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| 21:47.02 | isleshocky78 | streuner: ok, but I still don't want to remove it to get the other upgrades.. |
| 21:47.14 | isleshocky78 | streuner: Are you recommending I go with another mta? |
| 21:47.21 | antgel | Gargantua: type username. press tab. type password. press enter |
| 21:47.23 | Gargantua | themill, don't worry about it, I login from root all the time on my other system (fedora) |
| 21:47.48 | Gargantua | antgel, I should've probably put the keyword "root" there some where :P |
| 21:48.02 | themill | Gargantua: And you will need to tell us whether you're running xdm kdm or gdm (Hint 2: if you don't know which it is you're running, you definitely shouldn't be logging in as root through X) |
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| 21:48.11 | streuner | isleshocky78: not if you are well experienced user and are able to fix every hole in it |
| 21:48.28 | antgel | Gargantua: just don't do it. and please don't go on about wanting to do it. please (again). |
| 21:48.31 | Gargantua | themill, the default one, which is GDM. |
| 21:48.57 | fasta | Gargantua: there is no default one. |
| 21:49.04 | isleshocky78 | streuner: I have it patched I believe.. but would you recommend? I have had it up and running for about 4 years without problem. |
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| 21:49.11 | fasta | Gargantua: there is only a default one for Gnome, a default one for KDE |
| 21:49.12 | antgel | fasta: there is in debian desktop install |
| 21:49.20 | Gargantua | fasta: how does one login to X from a freshly installed debian then? |
| 21:49.30 | Gargantua | fasta: ok, I am using GDM. |
| 21:49.35 | streuner | isleshocky78: you want sarge->etch? |
| 21:49.53 | fasta | Gargantua: yes, I know. I just wanted to make that clear. |
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| 21:50.01 | themill | Gargantua: you will have to edit the config for gdm to allow that. The default config does not allow it as it's a really bad idea. (Are you getting the theme here...) |
| 21:50.13 | fasta | Gargantua: no |
| 21:50.22 | Gargantua | fasta: ? |
| 21:50.25 | fasta | Gargantua: there is some button which allows you to change the settings. |
| 21:50.26 | antgel | Gargantua: wtf don't you just su in a terminal? |
| 21:50.34 | antgel | fuck it, what do i care? :P |
| 21:50.42 | fasta | Gargantua: hover over all the options and find the right one. |
| 21:50.42 | streuner | isleshocky78: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 21:50.47 | Kervan | Can I install Debian with ISO images With out CD? But not Netinstall? |
| 21:50.48 | isleshocky78 | streuner: I thought I already did that about three weeks ago. |
| 21:50.55 | streuner | hm |
| 21:51.02 | Gargantua | antgel, I am free to login under what ever I want, if you cant respect that, I am not really asking for your personal opinion. |
| 21:51.09 | streuner | isleshocky78: ok, show us the whole command the output |
| 21:51.11 | isleshocky78 | streuner: "ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries" |
| 21:51.17 | streuner | isleshocky78: /msg dpkg paste |
| 21:51.18 | Gargantua | fasta: thanks, I'm gonna see... |
| 21:53.19 | themill | Gargantua: and we are free not to help you blow your head off. (btw when your box breaks, don't mention that you were logged in as root at the time as you're unlikely to get much help here.) |
| 21:53.19 | streuner | isleshocky78: _and_ sources.list |
| 21:53.20 | isleshocky78 | streuner: deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 21:53.20 | streuner | isleshocky78: nothing more? |
| 21:53.20 | isleshocky78 | streuner: I also have: "deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free" |
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| 21:53.28 | streuner | hm |
| 21:53.34 | BullWeivel | Anyone know if debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso is Etch 2.6 ??? |
| 21:53.35 | streuner | !tell G-root about root |
| 21:53.35 | isleshocky78 | streuner: and "deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib" |
| 21:53.40 | streuner | ok |
| 21:53.57 | antgel | BullWeivel: etch is debian 4.0. so yes |
| 21:54.04 | streuner | isleshocky78: whats the command and the error? /msg dpkg paste |
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| 21:56.18 | eth01 | Hi. My debian etch system here, keeps booting apache2 at boot when I don't have it installed (this is after removing it??) |
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| 21:56.37 | eikke | I got an issue with the xen kernel in etch |
| 21:56.39 | antgel | eth01: why do you think apache is running? |
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| 21:56.47 | isleshocky78 | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/33658 |
| 21:56.51 | eth01 | It's loading when the box boots up.. |
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| 21:56.54 | eikke | same as this report: http://www.redhat.com/archives/linux-lvm/2006-October/msg00132.html |
| 21:56.55 | fasta | The update-modules command is deprecated and should not be used! |
| 21:56.57 | eth01 | but its removed, thats what I don't get. |
| 21:57.00 | fasta | So, what should be used? |
| 21:57.01 | eikke | kenrel OOPS on JFS resize |
| 21:57.05 | stew | !tell Gargantua about root |
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| 21:57.21 | antgel | eth01: dpkg -l apache* reports what? |
| 21:57.29 | antgel | !tell eth01 about paste |
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| 21:57.55 | eth01 | http://rafb.net/p/oxsupu23.html |
| 21:57.59 | isleshocky78 | streuner: I'm getting this error on aptitude upgrade: http://paste.debian.net/33659 |
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| 21:58.27 | antgel | eth01: you'll have to paste your bootlog as well please :D |
| 21:58.35 | eth01 | erm... |
| 21:58.36 | streuner | hm, why do you need modutils anyway? |
| 21:58.40 | eth01 | where can I get that? |
| 21:58.47 | antgel | !tell eth01 about bootlog |
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| 21:58.56 | streuner | isleshocky78: etch use 2.6.x kernels only... |
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| 21:59.37 | isleshocky78 | streuner: ?? |
| 21:59.48 | streuner | isleshocky78: just remove it unless you using a 2.4.x kernel |
| 21:59.53 | lolercaust | no homo! |
| 22:00.05 | eth01 | http://rafb.net/p/0mvvQn41.html |
| 22:00.25 | streuner | oh, "trolltime" :-) |
| 22:00.37 | themill | eth01: there's no mention of apache in there.... can you tell us why you think it's starting? |
| 22:00.50 | streuner | isleshocky78: modutils is the package for 2.4.x kernels... |
| 22:00.55 | isleshocky78 | ok |
| 22:00.57 | isleshocky78 | I removed it. |
| 22:01.04 | eth01 | I don't have a clue, it's removed though.. But it still boots. ? |
| 22:01.05 | isleshocky78 | That went fine. |
| 22:01.21 | antgel | eth01: you're not listening. define "it still boots" |
| 22:01.29 | isleshocky78 | streuner: I would still like to be able to upgrade the things being held back without removing qmail |
| 22:01.37 | eth01 | where can i get the boot logs? |
| 22:01.39 | eth01 | 1 sec |
| 22:01.40 | isleshocky78 | mysql nds ss are all in that. |
| 22:01.47 | antgel | eth01: read the factoid |
| 22:01.57 | isleshocky78 | streuner: * nfs ssh |
| 22:02.06 | streuner | isleshocky78: try to install every single package first (those which are held back) |
| 22:02.06 | stew | eth01: is apache actally starting? or is it just calling the init script? |
| 22:02.13 | isleshocky78 | k |
| 22:02.15 | eth01 | calling the init script |
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| 22:02.37 | antgel | eth01: okay, let's see it from /var/log/boot please |
| 22:02.41 | eth01 | 1 sec |
| 22:02.57 | antgel | eth01: why not ls /etc/init.d as well, while you're at it |
| 22:03.01 | eth01 | nothing has been logged yet |
| 22:03.15 | stew | eth01: its fine, i don't know what the logs would really tell us |
| 22:03.16 | antgel | eth01: did you read the factoid? |
| 22:03.28 | stew | eth01: if you don't want the init script called, just disable it with update-rc.d |
| 22:03.40 | BullWeivel | crap! this is annoying.. i have no CD burner.. and the floppies arent installing for my netinstall for a SATA install. anty iddeas? |
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| 22:03.54 | isleshocky78 | streuner: cool, seems to be working so far. |
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| 22:04.42 | streuner | isleshocky78: fine |
| 22:04.57 | themill | !tell BullWeivel about usb install |
| 22:05.09 | eth01 | when the machine boots, it's loading apache2. Apache2 has been removed. |
| 22:05.15 | eth01 | Which logs do you want..? |
| 22:05.36 | eth01 | It still continues to load it though, that being my point :/ |
| 22:05.44 | stew | eth01: so disable it |
| 22:05.47 | themill | eth01: Could you pastebin ls -l /etc/rc*/*apache* |
| 22:06.00 | eth01 | ls: /etc/rc*/*apache*: No such file or directory |
| 22:06.09 | antgel | eth01: how about /var/log/boot? |
| 22:06.21 | eth01 | no files have been logged yet |
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| 22:06.29 | BullWeivel | if i only had a thumb drive...grrrrr |
| 22:06.33 | TiMiDo | hey how come when i put nvidia on my xorg.conf it doesn't work? |
| 22:06.37 | eikke | looks like 2.6.18-4-xen-amd64, jfs resize and userquota dont play well together |
| 22:06.38 | antgel | eth01: did you read where i twice asked you if you read the factoid? |
| 22:06.44 | TiMiDo | i've downloaded it the module already |
| 22:06.48 | antgel | !tell eth01 about bootlog |
| 22:06.48 | eth01 | okay i shall enable it. |
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| 22:06.49 | eth01 | then reboot. |
| 22:06.54 | antgel | \o/ |
| 22:06.54 | streuner | TiMiDo: thats evil |
| 22:07.05 | TiMiDo | streuner, i know, |
| 22:07.08 | antgel | TiMiDo: you did something wrong |
| 22:07.12 | TiMiDo | antgel, like? |
| 22:07.20 | antgel | TiMiDo: yeah |
| 22:07.48 | eth01 | rebooting.. ;) |
| 22:07.54 | antgel | TiMiDo: please describe the problem in enough detail to help us help you |
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| 22:08.33 | TiMiDo | antgel, when i put nvidia on the xorg.conf it doesn't work |
| 22:08.36 | TiMiDo | i get no graphics |
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| 22:09.16 | antgel | TiMiDo: you definitely did something wrong |
| 22:09.30 | themill | TiMiDo: you'll have to help us here. Could you pls pastebin grep -e EE -e WW /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:09.40 | TiMiDo | here is the link |
| 22:09.41 | TiMiDo | http://pastebin.ca/638517 |
| 22:09.44 | TiMiDo | where the logs are |
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| 22:10.34 | eth01 | http://rafb.net/p/rEYb4V92.html |
| 22:10.35 | streuner | !nvidia-installer really sucks |
| 22:10.35 | dpkg | We don't tell you not to use drivers from nvidia.com for fun. We have valid reasons for it, based on extensive experience. What it boils down to is this: your system will "work fine" for a while, then break HORRIBLY, if you don't install the driver the Debian way. Don't expect sympathy. Do it RIGHT the first time - /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 22:10.37 | eth01 | there -.- |
| 22:11.09 | themill | eth01: I still can't see any mention of apache...??? |
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| 22:11.22 | eth01 | that's odd, the other day it was showing apache2 when it loaded. |
| 22:11.29 | eth01 | it said it couldn't bind to the port. |
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| 22:11.35 | fasta | Someone broke xorg + nvidia again, btw. |
| 22:12.04 | Danielss89 | hi, in my crontab -e i want to start the apache server, and the usual command for that i use "apache2 -k start" but what should i put in the crontab.. |
| 22:12.07 | fasta | I just found a backtrace in xorg.0.old |
| 22:12.08 | Danielss89 | is it another syntax? |
| 22:12.12 | antgel | trying to decipher an strace for cups, is the privilege of the backend set in the execve() call? more generally, what system call is used to spawn a process with a given uid to run as? |
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| 22:12.38 | antgel | eth01: /msg dpkg smite eth01 |
| 22:13.08 | eth01 | ? |
| 22:13.15 | themill | eth01: if you want to keep looking, use netstat to see if it's binding a port. Look for files on your filesystem that are apache related. I think you might have solved your own problem though ;) |
| 22:13.31 | eth01 | sounds like its fixed itself magically. |
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| 22:13.53 | themill | TiMiDo: there's nothing that I can see that looks bad there and I don't use nvidia so I can't give you any other pointers. |
| 22:14.11 | TiMiDo | themill, you're fucking smart bro |
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| 22:15.01 | themill | TiMiDo: I was only being polite in letting you know because I had offered help earlier. Feel free to remind me not to bother next time. |
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| 22:16.23 | fasta | Why has doing this zero effect? aptitude install xserver-xorg/testing |
| 22:16.26 | sanelson | hello - how can I configure squid to proxy websites on non-standard ports? at present if I browse https://www.mysite.com:10443 I get access denied; normal https works fine, as does http. |
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| 22:16.48 | fasta | Substituting testing with unstable also does nothing. |
| 22:16.59 | fasta | I have the unstable xserver, AFAIK. |
| 22:17.46 | themill | fasta: my apt-cache shows the same xserver in lenny and sid ;) |
| 22:18.05 | fasta | themill: heh, I considered that possibility. |
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| 22:18.13 | fasta | themill: but discarded it. |
| 22:18.19 | themill | fasta: :) |
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| 22:19.09 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 22:19.18 | Ace2016 | i've downloaded a .deb file |
| 22:19.27 | Ace2016 | how do i get it to install with all its deps |
| 22:19.32 | Ace2016 | the deps are in the repos |
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| 22:19.59 | Ace2016 | dpkg -i *.deb does not download and install the deps, just tells me they are not installed |
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| 22:20.19 | stew | Ace2016: dpkg -i foo.deb ; aptitude -f install ; |
| 22:21.03 | Ace2016 | wait a sec, wouldn't the -f force install the packages without the deps? |
| 22:21.27 | themill | Ace2016: -f for aptitude is for fix :) |
| 22:21.39 | sanelson | Ace2016: f means fix dependencies |
| 22:21.45 | Ace2016 | oh |
| 22:22.22 | Ace2016 | that worked, thanks |
| 22:22.56 | themill | another satisfied customer..... makes it all feel worthwhile... :) |
| 22:22.58 | cartesian1984 | If I apply a patch like this: bzip2 -dc ../patch-vserver-version-whatever.diff | patch -p1 (while in /usr/src/linux), is it potentially harmful? |
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| 22:23.25 | Min46770 | wow! Free calls - http://callfree.point-serv.com/en |
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| 22:23.42 | xlotlu | any way to recover data from a bad floppy? (with track 0 ruined) |
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| 22:24.49 | SKOM | hello |
| 22:24.52 | karsten | xlotlu: ddrecover, possibly. |
| 22:24.58 | SKOM | how can I install compiler? |
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| 22:25.03 | SKOM | gcc and cc ? |
| 22:25.06 | simonrvn | could someone ban Min46770 n=10373019@IGLD-84-229-83-227.inter.net.il ? |
| 22:25.10 | karsten | SKOM: man aptitude |
| 22:25.13 | SKOM | okay |
| 22:25.13 | simonrvn | damned spammers |
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| 22:25.21 | SKOM | but i do not know how to install it |
| 22:25.23 | SKOM | aptitude |
| 22:25.28 | stew | cartesian1984: you can alwyas pass --dry-run to patch to make sure it applies cleany |
| 22:25.29 | SKOM | pressing "/" |
| 22:25.35 | SKOM | and writing gcc ? |
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| 22:25.46 | SKOM | then press "g" ? or "u" ? |
| 22:25.51 | man_in_ltop | quick question, does etch install sudo by default? |
| 22:26.01 | cartesian1984 | stew: it was weird though, it looked like it did. It just said 'patching this' 'patching that'. DIdn't throw any errors. |
| 22:26.07 | karsten | man_in_ltop: No. |
| 22:26.09 | cartesian1984 | stew: but the kernel then didn't boot. |
| 22:26.16 | man_in_ltop | that's what i thought |
| 22:26.19 | man_in_ltop | thanks |
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| 22:26.23 | stew | cartesian1984: did it give an error? |
| 22:26.29 | acu | can anyone recommend a place with best price of DDR PC2700 1gig or 2 Gb memory ? |
| 22:26.31 | karsten | xlotlu: ddrescue, actually. |
| 22:26.57 | cartesian1984 | stew: patch didn't. The kernel is on a box at a datacenter, so I don't know, I'll have them take a screenshot via kvm. |
| 22:27.12 | xlotlu | karsten: i see there's also gddrescue.. might it be better? |
| 22:27.13 | karsten | acu: froogle, ebay, other shopping sites newegg. |
| 22:27.19 | karsten | xlotlu: NFC |
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| 22:29.19 | roler | how do I reset the debian-sys-maint mysql password? |
| 22:29.52 | themill | SKOM: try: aptitude install build-essential |
| 22:30.18 | themill | SKOM: you can use aptitude just as a command line tool and not use its menus at all. |
| 22:30.24 | cartesian1984 | acu: newegg has 1GB DIMMs for about 57 dollars. I don't remember what clock rate. |
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| 22:32.08 | stew | roler: use the 'grant' statement in mysql to create the user and/or set the password, read /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/README.Debian |
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| 22:34.01 | acu | I realize that the RAM is 1/3 of the price of the computer - thanks Cartesian and karsten |
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| 22:35.40 | namit | I run mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hda5, Error: /dev/hda5 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here! How do i figure out what is using this |
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| 22:36.10 | antgel | namit: mount |
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| 22:36.29 | SKOM | namit: have you unmounterd that partition |
| 22:36.30 | SKOM | ? |
| 22:36.31 | namit | does not show anything |
| 22:36.41 | Tabakhase | Hi, I cant find libmp3lame =( Need it for Streamtranscoder |
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| 22:36.48 | Tabakhase | Could somebody help? |
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| 22:36.52 | antgel | !lame |
| 22:36.52 | dpkg | Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. Debian does not distribute LAME due to patent and infrastructure issues. Binary packages are available from <debian-multimedia> or <rarewares>. Upstream sources, with build instructions for Debian at http://www.mp3dev.org/ or http://lame.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:37.24 | Tabakhase | antgel i searched in apt-cache search lame |
| 22:37.41 | antgel | Tabakhase: how about you search the factoid ^^ |
| 22:37.44 | Tabakhase | and installed libtwolame and so on |
| 22:37.44 | namit | antgel, SKOM its just another hard disk in my computer that is not being used. |
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| 22:37.52 | SKOM | ah |
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| 22:38.04 | SKOM | hm |
| 22:38.15 | SKOM | i think that it shouldn't be hda |
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| 22:38.19 | antgel | namit: what disk are you using? |
| 22:38.20 | SKOM | but hdb/c/d |
| 22:38.23 | SKOM | isn't it ? |
| 22:38.38 | namit | SKOM, i have does fdisk /dev/hda5 and writen extended table to hard disk |
| 22:38.58 | namit | antgel, i am using for /boot /dev/hda1 |
| 22:39.04 | SKOM | yep, okay, so you are sure with it. i understand |
| 22:39.11 | Pask_ | i've a problem with debian, who can help me? |
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| 22:39.27 | themill | Pask_: just ask |
| 22:39.50 | Pask_ | themill the internet connection don't go |
| 22:40.00 | roler | stew; thanks ! |
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| 22:40.06 | Pask_ | when i open the browser not connect |
| 22:40.20 | namit | SKOM, antgel k so parted can created ext2 partion for me. |
| 22:40.41 | Pask_ | themill i've a router d-link wireless |
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| 22:40.54 | SKOM | namit: i do not understand |
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| 22:41.29 | punsad | anyone know how to install debian on a laptop that requires madwifi drivers (madwifi is not included on installation disks) |
| 22:41.31 | namit | SKOM, i installed parted and just got it to format the partion and it works now |
| 22:41.55 | themill | Tabakhase: lame is in the debain multimedia repo |
| 22:41.56 | punsad | installation does prompt to load 3rd part drivers from a floppy - but I don't have a floppy |
| 22:41.57 | namit | punsad, have you got wire nic working |
| 22:42.00 | SKOM | hm and where were the problem ? |
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| 22:42.08 | themill | !tell Tabakhase about dmm |
| 22:42.15 | Pask_ | themill can you help me ?? |
| 22:42.15 | punsad | namit: no. the wifi card is the only interface I have |
| 22:42.20 | jetscreamer | got a hard drive? |
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| 22:42.49 | namit | punsad, ya got usb stick you could copy drivers onto? |
| 22:42.56 | punsad | namit: i'm thinking to save the wifi package on a partition, mount that partition during the install, then dpkg -i it. |
| 22:43.09 | themill | Pask_: I probably can't but you'll need to explain your problem a lot better and someone else probably will. |
| 22:43.20 | themill | !tell Pask_ about smart questions |
| 22:43.29 | namit | punsad, yes that would do |
| 22:43.29 | punsad | namit: it's an old laptop with usb1.1 only. It may work. Dunno if i'll be able to mount the usb stick. |
| 22:43.30 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 22:43.30 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 22:44.14 | isleshocky78 | streuner: If I was to swtich mtas, what would you suggest? |
| 22:44.15 | punsad | namit: I'm also wondering if there are any other packages other than madwifi-tools to be sure to include - any idea? |
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| 22:44.25 | jetscreamer | wireless-tools ? |
| 22:44.26 | isleshocky78 | I run about 6 domains each having 3 or 4 users. |
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| 22:45.02 | punsad | namit: according to the dependencies.. the only 'depends' is libc6 |
| 22:45.12 | streuner | isleshocky78: every MTA which is in Debian and supported |
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| 22:45.28 | punsad | jetscreamer: I'm pretty sure wireless-tools is included.. have done many a 'iwconfig' from a debian install shell session |
| 22:45.44 | namit | punsad, well that answers your questions |
| 22:45.47 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 22:46.10 | punsad | just wondering if I'm missing anything before I go try it |
| 22:46.11 | namit | punsad, you will need to copy those over and install them during install |
| 22:46.33 | jetscreamer | damn that sucks. i think ubuntu supports this acx |
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| 22:46.40 | punsad | sounds like either copying them to a partiton or usb stick is the way to go |
| 22:46.51 | namit | punsad, no sounds right what your doing there, might want to check dependences of the other packages |
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| 22:47.48 | JeffH | Is there a switch I have to give aptitude when I do a remove for it to remove any packages that were installed due to the package I'm uninstalling? |
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| 22:48.09 | themill | JeffH: it does that automagically |
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| 22:48.21 | JeffH | nice.. thanks. |
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| 22:49.22 | JeffH | hm. didn't seem to do that automatically. |
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| 22:49.37 | simonrvn | you probably need to enable it |
| 22:49.40 | namit | SKOM, hahaha |
| 22:49.42 | themill | JeffH: did you install the package using aptitude? |
| 22:49.53 | JeffH | themill: yes, I did. |
| 22:50.01 | Gerat | Anyone know what the max HD capacity that can be handled by a Performa 6500? |
| 22:50.08 | namit | SKOM, you kow that hda5 i was trying to format, it was my swap partition |
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| 22:50.24 | SKOM | namit: hh |
| 22:50.43 | SKOM | i asked you if you are really sure ;) |
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| 22:51.27 | punsad | anyone know where the scripts are stored that are run that configure my wifi card at boot up? I know there's /etc/network/interfaces. I'm wondering if there's anything else. |
| 22:51.29 | themill | JeffH: there's also --purge-unused |
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| 22:51.48 | namit | SKOM, yes my fault, a well need a reinstall anyway |
| 22:51.50 | JeffH | thanks.. I'll try that.. |
| 22:51.54 | themill | JeffH: and --simulate :) |
| 22:52.03 | antgel | punsad: what in particular? |
| 22:52.05 | Tabakhase | Now I get the old "The followring signatures couldnīt be verified because the public key is not availabla:No_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 22:52.25 | SKOM | namit: i've done 2 reinstalls today |
| 22:52.29 | themill | Tabakhase: install debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 22:52.43 | namit | anyone know of an initrd for recovery purposes that i could boot for recovery purposes? |
| 22:52.58 | themill | Tabakhase: (I presume you've just added dmm to your sources and this is the source of the error ;) |
| 22:53.00 | punsad | antgel: e.g. loads the module for myh wifi card. or is that done automatically? Isn't there some file that stores all the automatically loaded modules |
| 22:53.05 | Tabakhase | thanks themill |
| 22:53.14 | themill | Tabakhase: np |
| 22:53.25 | antgel | punsad: kernel does it. maybe. or /etc/modules? what's the problem |
| 22:54.31 | Gerat | Anyone know what the max HD capacity that can be handled by a Performa 6500? Anyone at all? |
| 22:54.33 | punsad | antgel: I'm just covering all my bases. I want to do a clean install on a laptop which requires non-free (madwifi) modules for wifi card. |
| 22:54.48 | Tabakhase | themill now it works, damn thanks =) |
| 22:54.55 | antgel | punsad: can't you install it with a wire? |
| 22:55.08 | punsad | antgel: don't have one.. it's an old laptop |
| 22:55.33 | JeffH | openssh-server is the package I need to install to be able to ssh into my linux box.. right? |
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| 22:55.48 | antgel | JeffH: aptitude show openssh-server |
| 22:55.54 | punsad | I'm kind of doing it just for the challenge, too. I was able to install ubuntu and it 'just worked'. But I much prefer just sticking to pure debian |
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| 22:57.24 | JeffH | I just installed openssh-server and yet I'm still getting 'connection refused' when I try to ssh to the box. |
| 22:57.39 | themill | JeffH: did you start it? |
| 22:57.46 | SKOM | JeffH: are you connecting over internet ? |
| 22:57.56 | SKOM | or only inside your LAN |
| 22:58.02 | JeffH | inside my lan |
| 22:58.02 | punsad | JeffH: ps ax | grep sshd' |
| 22:58.06 | SKOM | okay |
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| 22:58.26 | SKOM | hm i always install ssh deamon using "apt-get install ssh" |
| 22:58.26 | themill | !tell JeffH about connection refused |
| 22:58.32 | twobitsprite | does anyone know of a good program for playing DVDs? |
| 22:58.46 | punsad | twobitsprite: xine always worked for me |
| 22:58.58 | themill | SKOM: ssh is a transitional package. it's now openssh-server and openssh-client |
| 22:59.12 | namit | twobitsprite, apt-cache search dvd | grep player |
| 22:59.13 | themill | twobitsprite: another vote for xine from me |
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| 23:01.10 | themill | twobitsprite: there's a number of other players that can use xine as a backend. Xine's UI is pretty crappy, but it's scriptable, configurable and was one of the first kids on the block. |
| 23:01.21 | JeffH | hm.. I started sshd but 'netstat -a' doesn't show it listening. |
| 23:02.26 | themill | JeffH: /var/log/daemon.log will have error messages. Or start it in debug mode (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) |
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| 23:04.12 | punsad | JeffH: so sshd isn't running? |
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| 23:04.57 | themill | JeffH: is it in the process list? (ps ax|grep sshd) |
| 23:05.05 | JeffH | punsad: 'ps aux | grep sshd' shows sshd running. |
| 23:05.30 | punsad | JeffH: are you able to ssh locally? |
| 23:05.40 | antgel | JeffH: information. |
| 23:05.54 | JeffH | there's the ssh entry in netstat.. I just missed it last time. |
| 23:05.54 | antgel | oops |
| 23:06.00 | antgel | JeffH: lsof -i:22 |
| 23:06.02 | themill | JeffH: :) |
| 23:06.09 | antgel | JeffH: try grep in future |
| 23:06.24 | joaop | there isnt sylpheed claws with gtk2 anymore ? |
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| 23:07.14 | JeffH | so now that I know its listening I need to figure out the request isn't getting through.. |
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| 23:07.46 | themill | JeffH: do you have any firewalls in the rode? can you ssh localhost when on that box? |
| 23:08.19 | themill | s/rode/road/ (gee.. it's getting late) |
| 23:08.53 | punsad | themill: either you aren't in the US or you go to sleep early :) |
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| 23:09.02 | themill | punsad: uk |
| 23:09.07 | antgel | themill: ditto |
| 23:09.08 | JeffH | themill: yeah.. I can ssh to itself no problem.. this installation is running inside a parallels vm.. not real sure what magic it does to get the network to work... I'll have to look into that. |
| 23:09.13 | punsad | cool |
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| 23:09.35 | antgel | themill: i was just contemplating hibernating my workstation and doing my daily dose of 20 mins hebrew reading |
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| 23:09.46 | antgel | although i find english hard enough :P |
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| 23:10.28 | antgel | it is indeed late, but sometimes one is hacking on a program and it's hard to stop. but i tell myself if i stop now i'll enjoy it more in the morning |
| 23:10.34 | themill | antgel: that's a bit heavy for this time of day.... I've got "The Doubter's Companion" on my bedside table atm.... amusing |
| 23:10.37 | JeffH | the odd thing is I can get to my web server.. but not ssh |
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| 23:10.51 | themill | antgel: probably beats #debian so I might retreat to it |
| 23:11.14 | themill | JeffH: do you need to specifically enable forwarding of that port? |
| 23:11.37 | JeffH | themill: that's what I'm looking into now.. |
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| 23:11.51 | antgel | themill: yeah i know. but language learning is cumulative, apparently. enjoy. |
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| 23:25.51 | YouBuckey | Morning Guys, We're looking at buying a new Dell PowerEdge 2950 but I |
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| 23:26.34 | YouBuckey | I've heard second hand Debian only recognises 4 disks maximum. Anyone confirm or deny that? |
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| 23:26.43 | antgel | crapola |
| 23:26.59 | antgel | it's nothing to do with debian, it's the linux kernel |
| 23:27.16 | antgel | er, and it can recognise more than 4 disks |
| 23:27.25 | valdyn | YouBuckey: why would linux only "recongnise" 4 disks? |
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| 23:28.00 | themill | YouBuckey: bog standard IDE setups on old PCs can only handle 4 disks. Perhaps that's what you've heard? |
| 23:28.01 | YouBuckey | Cool, I seriously doubted it but had to ask |
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| 23:28.43 | valdyn | 1024 cpu, but only 4 disks, yay |
| 23:29.09 | YouBuckey | Thanks guys, it was just a comment I heard from a guy in our companies server team, I'm relatively new to Linux and thought I'd do some research |
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| 23:29.22 | themill | "no one would ever need more than 4 disks (or 640KB of memory)"... |
| 23:29.28 | antgel | what is wrong with these corporate idiots? |
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| 23:30.06 | YouBuckey | Apparently is a Dell 2950 specific problem, |
| 23:31.18 | YouBuckey | Thanks all, I did a little research and didn't find any reported issues - better to come to the horse to be safe |
| 23:31.22 | Azar | apparently Dell tinkers with the linux... |
| 23:31.56 | Azar | honorables valdyn, simonrvn ... |
| 23:32.27 | Azar | simonrvn: did you see the shiny new openbox 3.4.3 ? just out hot last week |
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| 23:32.57 | antgel | YouBuckey: if i was you, i'd do some research into what a linux distro is and does |
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| 23:33.39 | antgel | oh, and have a word with whomever recruits for your server team :P |
| 23:34.29 | themill | YouBuckey: there have been some bug reports about the module for the raid card that is usually in that machine causing problems. Worth doing some reading about what you can expect to happen and how to get around it if it does. |
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| 23:40.27 | JeffH | How do I give a network hostname to a machine that is on a dynamic ip? |
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| 23:45.26 | karsten | JeffH: On the system: run dhclient or its equivalent. On the server: configure your dhcp daemin. |
| 23:45.30 | karsten | daemon. |
| 23:46.12 | karsten | JeffH: If you want a fixed hostname: assign a fixed IP on the DHCP server, and configure your local DNS server. For Internet (public) IPs, look at dyndns. |
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| 23:48.48 | sabgenton | hey what does sudo chroot /mnt/sothing su mean |
| 23:48.54 | sabgenton | what is the su for |
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| 23:49.03 | sabgenton | i have never used su at the end |
| 23:49.15 | Azar | super user : administrator |
| 23:49.30 | sabgenton | Azar: why |
| 23:49.36 | sabgenton | if i am root allready |
| 23:49.47 | sabgenton | or is it if you are doning it from a normal user |
| 23:50.06 | sabgenton | does it chroot u in as root? |
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| 23:50.37 | sabgenton | Azar: do you you need it if you are all ready root at the shell? |
| 23:50.40 | spheard | hey, I already have webalizer installed but I want to compile it from source. what is the procedure so It all works icely? |
| 23:50.45 | Azar | you usually stay as user... to perform admin tasks su from there |
| 23:50.49 | spheard | nicely |
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| 23:51.31 | sabgenton | Azar: have you seen people chroot that way |
| 23:51.40 | sabgenton | sudo chroot /mnt/bla su |
| 23:52.16 | Azar | sabgenton: I never chroot... I login as user and when I need to install, update.... I do su... when done, exit back to my user |
| 23:52.29 | sabgenton | k |
| 23:52.32 | sabgenton | see |
| 23:53.10 | spheard | what would be the debian way? |
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