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| 00:01.21 | streuner | spheard: well, read the docs and use the deb out of the debian mirror? |
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| 00:01.47 | joaop | there isnt sylpheed claws gtk2 in testing ? |
| 00:01.53 | spheard | streuner, npe the deb is an old version. I need to upgrade cos of an unsightly bug! |
| 00:02.06 | joaop | what people are using to email client ? |
| 00:02.16 | streuner | spheard: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 00:02.19 | spheard | mutt is a great email client! |
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| 00:02.46 | stoned | I remember pine |
| 00:02.46 | spheard | streuner: ii libc6 2.4-1ubuntu12.3 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 00:02.48 | stoned | 8th grade |
| 00:03.01 | streuner | spheard: #ubuntu |
| 00:03.17 | spheard | streuner: wrong terminal |
| 00:03.39 | spheard | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 00:03.43 | spheard | :-) |
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| 00:05.33 | streuner | !backports |
| 00:05.33 | dpkg | i heard backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 00:05.39 | streuner | !simple sid backport |
| 00:05.40 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs. |
| 00:06.02 | spheard | my god, |
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| 00:06.28 | jetscreamer | has a way with b o l o g n a |
| 00:06.33 | Azar | interesting series of articles: Making Linux Systems that don't Suck : http://lateral.netmanagers.com.ar/stories/44.html |
| 00:06.54 | spheard | /dpkg backports |
| 00:06.54 | Azar | hello honorables streuner, jetscreamer :) |
| 00:07.05 | streuner | hi |
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| 00:07.36 | Azar | it tells about Debian too... on part II |
| 00:08.09 | spheard | so how do I tell is webalizer has been backported? |
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| 00:08.47 | streuner | spheard: if you ask, you dont use backports then |
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| 00:09.29 | streuner | spheard: 2 options: A) backports.org B) make your own backport from unstable (usually) |
| 00:09.33 | panagos | i have gcc-4.1 installed, but when i type "man gcc", it can't find it, but "man gcc-4.1" works! |
| 00:09.48 | streuner | gcc is a symlink |
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| 00:10.16 | spheard | streuner: like the idea of building my own better, where do I find the repository? |
| 00:10.33 | streuner | spheard: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 00:11.13 | panagos | streuner: i know, but before the gcc docs were moved to nonfree, there was no problem with that! i had previously installed sarge/stable, and now have testing |
| 00:11.40 | streuner | ok |
| 00:11.57 | jetscreamer | how much vid mem does aiglx want, anyway |
| 00:12.26 | streuner | about RAM |
| 00:12.52 | spheard | streuner, still having problems finding the sid repository |
| 00:12.59 | jetscreamer | it's only got 8 and i saw aiglx not enough mem for (something) |
| 00:13.19 | spheard | Its like debians best kept secret |
| 00:13.49 | streuner | there are none, you didnt read DFSG then |
| 00:13.54 | jetscreamer | #deb-src ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free <--very secret got to kill you now |
| 00:14.01 | streuner | hehe |
| 00:14.12 | Azar | yes sir, sendmail notifications through cron _suck_ |
| 00:14.26 | streuner | use an official mirror |
| 00:14.38 | streuner | always, if possible |
| 00:14.50 | streuner | less headaches |
| 00:15.12 | spheard | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.18 | spheard | Im on sparc64 hardware |
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| 00:15.36 | spheard | it is, quite occasionally borked |
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| 00:15.44 | streuner | hm |
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| 00:16.18 | FuzzplugJones | quick question: now that etch is considered stable, should any debian sarge with repositories set to "stable" automatically be upgrading to etch when i apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 00:16.30 | streuner | yes |
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| 00:17.09 | FuzzplugJones | oh ok so the first server i did it to, where i changed them from "stable" to "etch" i should go back and reste that to stable? |
| 00:17.11 | streuner | but read <release notes> before |
| 00:17.24 | jetscreamer | sarge is now called oldstable, change it to that if you want to keep sarge |
| 00:17.41 | FuzzplugJones | so is there a difference between having "etch" and "stable" in my sources.list or no? |
| 00:17.47 | jetscreamer | doesn't matter, but when lenny goes stable it will not keep up |
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| 00:17.52 | jetscreamer | is the thing |
| 00:18.07 | metbsd | what are etch, lenny sarge sid |
| 00:18.08 | jetscreamer | stable to automatically, etch to stay |
| 00:18.11 | spheard | E: Build-Depends dependency for webalizer cannot be satisfied because the package libdb4.5-dev cannot be found |
| 00:18.12 | FuzzplugJones | right ok |
| 00:18.13 | spheard | see |
| 00:18.24 | streuner | metbsd: /msg dpkg history |
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| 00:18.48 | Azar | metbsd: come onnn.. man... you are for so long on this channel already |
| 00:18.57 | jetscreamer | stable testing unstable are classes and etch lenny sid are members |
| 00:19.00 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 00:19.05 | metbsd | yah, but i only use etch |
| 00:19.06 | spheard | borked |
| 00:19.17 | metbsd | but lenny is same as sarge right? |
| 00:19.20 | jetscreamer | no |
| 00:19.21 | Azar | metbsd: hehe you want to use them all at same time? |
| 00:19.30 | jetscreamer | sarge is sarge, or oldstable |
| 00:19.45 | jetscreamer | lenny is what they let of sid out |
| 00:19.52 | streuner | spheard: #3 compile it from source |
| 00:20.00 | Azar | metbsd: they are VERSIONS, like #1, #2, #3..etc |
| 00:20.00 | jetscreamer | one day lenny will grow up to be a stable boy |
| 00:20.05 | spheard | metbsd: ubuntu - african for I cant confgure debian |
| 00:20.11 | jetscreamer | and sid will have sex with him |
| 00:20.13 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 00:20.17 | streuner | o_O |
| 00:20.19 | FuzzplugJones | hahahaha |
| 00:20.23 | FuzzplugJones | i'm going to use that ubuntu line |
| 00:20.27 | FuzzplugJones | ok thanks for the help |
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| 00:20.47 | Azar | hmmm nobody talks woody anymore.. |
| 00:20.49 | edju | installed ndiswrapper, inst?alled the win driver, -- now, how do I get the module so i can modprobe it? dumb question, but somebody will have an intelligent answer? |
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| 00:20.57 | metbsd | yah, there was woody |
| 00:21.02 | metbsd | woody is like etch? |
| 00:21.06 | spheard | edju: not likely |
| 00:21.12 | jetscreamer | no woody is like pre-sarge |
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| 00:21.47 | jetscreamer | first there was woody, and there was much rejoicing. thus sid & woody begat sarge |
| 00:22.01 | Azar | metbsd: potato is version -1, woody is version -0, sarge is version 1, etch is version 2, lenny WILL be version 3... << as examples only |
| 00:22.07 | edju | i need it to "taint" the kernal - but how? |
| 00:22.18 | metbsd | version of what? |
| 00:22.24 | jetscreamer | windows |
| 00:22.29 | Azar | hahahahaha |
| 00:22.39 | spheard | edju:you need a rabi and a live chicken |
| 00:22.41 | Azar | ok metbsd stick with ubuntu man if you don't even understand versions |
| 00:22.44 | krazykit | edju, it taints the kernel by being loaded. you just modprobe it |
| 00:22.53 | spheard | sorry, Im not being helpful |
| 00:23.12 | somian[0] | Odd, I wouln'd have though a couple of dudes like Sid and Woodt would have been "begatting" anyone ;-) |
| 00:23.12 | metbsd | well, i'll still stick with etch without understanding versions |
| 00:23.20 | spheard | edju: modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 00:23.22 | edju | krazykit, "no such module" |
| 00:23.25 | jetscreamer | etch is the stable version |
| 00:23.27 | metbsd | btw, sid is version 4? |
| 00:23.33 | Azar | metbsd: read the reference documentation of Debian READ |
| 00:23.42 | spheard | edju: hang on, I got a howto somewhere here |
| 00:23.46 | metbsd | and sid will become lenny? |
| 00:23.48 | jetscreamer | not really more like a testground |
| 00:24.04 | krazykit | !tell edju about ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 00:24.22 | metbsd | at that time lenny will become today's etch which is the previous sarge that comes from woody that's called potato 2 years ago? |
| 00:24.38 | metbsd | i think i got it |
| 00:24.42 | krazykit | metbsd, no, the names are of the releases. you're thinking stable, testing, and unstable |
| 00:24.47 | Azar | metbsd: READ: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/index.en.html |
| 00:25.08 | edju | the bot's not talking to me. |
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| 00:25.21 | somian[0] | !botsnack |
| 00:25.21 | dpkg | :), somian[0] |
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| 00:26.10 | spheard | edju: you need to have a registered username t send PM's |
| 00:26.15 | Azar | edju: if you asked a question he does not know....he will not reply |
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| 00:26.52 | edju | spheard, howto? |
| 00:27.12 | spheard | edju sorry man, it was for ubuntu |
| 00:27.14 | edju | !ndiswrapper |
| 00:27.14 | dpkg | from memory, ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 00:27.24 | spheard | try the one linr |
| 00:27.43 | edju | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 00:27.43 | dpkg | well, ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 00:27.49 | spheard | looks hopefull, to be wary it can be a bitch if not started from clean |
| 00:28.00 | edju | Ahhh - OK!!! |
| 00:28.05 | Azar | in Debian, In the cron sources, the newest file is dated 08/06/96. wowy |
| 00:28.19 | Azar | 11 darn years |
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| 00:30.14 | Azar | How do you run a cron job every X minutes" when X is not a divider of 60 < fun |
| 00:31.01 | spheard | Azar 1,7,56,57 |
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| 00:31.25 | spheard | 1,7,56,57 * * * * blah de blah blah isnt it? |
| 00:31.32 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:31.36 | relaxed | Azar: */10 (for every ten minutes) |
| 00:31.42 | Azar | mister abrotman :) |
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| 00:32.25 | spheard | {20-50}/5 |
| 00:32.35 | namit | how do i figure out what nic dhcp is leason on? |
| 00:32.41 | namit | *leasing |
| 00:32.42 | spheard | would that do it every 5 mins between 20th min and 50th min |
| 00:32.57 | spheard | (still trying to get my head round regex |
| 00:33.08 | namit | i have 2 nics in the machine |
| 00:33.30 | abrotman | namit: ifconfig -a will show which has an IP |
| 00:35.38 | Azar | spheard: you know what, I never asked this other stupid question: do I need to delete old logs? in the /var/log ? |
| 00:35.43 | namit | is there a primary and secondary nic |
| 00:35.53 | spheard | hmm, dhcp is def one of my many achillies heels |
| 00:36.08 | spheard | Azar: I think your supposed to rotate them |
| 00:36.31 | Azar | spheard: they rotate but do they free space? they delete themselves? |
| 00:36.44 | abrotman | Azar: eventually they will be removed .. you can configure that |
| 00:36.53 | spheard | Azar: get more space and dont worry about it |
| 00:36.56 | spheard | :-) |
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| 00:37.02 | Azar | abrotman: I never looked at this aspect until I read that article today... |
| 00:37.34 | Azar | spheard: I have space, but I keep running this box without looking at the logs... well unless I need to |
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| 00:40.02 | Azar | spheard: I don't use ssh... |
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| 00:40.03 | spheard | Azar: as abrotman says, what would be the point? I I understand correctly debian looks after all that for you. Its good to have the logs there to help you diagnose shit, Its good to have a history |
| 00:40.22 | spheard | Azar: desktop debian? |
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| 00:40.34 | piztek | nicotine keeps freezing whenever a large search occurs |
| 00:40.35 | Azar | spheard: minimal... no desktop |
| 00:40.51 | spheard | Azar: what for? and how do you talk to it? |
| 00:41.05 | spheard | serial console? |
| 00:41.07 | Azar | spheard: "talk to"? |
| 00:41.13 | Azar | no X with openbox |
| 00:41.24 | spheard | yeah, I talk to my boxes with ssh |
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| 00:41.45 | spheard | control, communicate. |
| 00:41.45 | Azar | uh... no need for ssh here.. |
| 00:41.53 | Azar | only one box online... |
| 00:41.54 | spheard | .....your being very coy |
| 00:41.59 | stoned | yeh you both suck |
| 00:42.07 | stoned | I can just think, and stuff happens |
| 00:42.10 | stoned | so haha. |
| 00:42.11 | Azar | stoned: ma man.. how you doing? |
| 00:42.22 | stoned | chillin man |
| 00:42.32 | stoned | trying to go to the moon, man |
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| 00:43.04 | spheard | stoned: thats real bad. I have a few doobies and get creative. I had to switch of the precognition and telepathy |
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| 00:43.43 | stoned | ? |
| 00:43.44 | Azar | stoned hooked his musical keyboard to the system and sings commands into it |
| 00:43.49 | stoned | que? |
| 00:44.01 | Ankman | oO |
| 00:44.03 | spheard | you wanna get the microsoft groinal attachment |
| 00:44.12 | Azar | hehe |
| 00:44.25 | stoned | im trying to go the da moon man |
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| 00:44.34 | stoned | soon i'll be there |
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| 00:44.39 | spheard | Its like the sidewinder but more popular in japan |
| 00:45.41 | Azar | rahul: say something |
| 00:45.50 | stoned | !seen rahul |
| 00:45.50 | dpkg | rahul is currently on #debian, last said: 'haha'. |
| 00:45.54 | spheard | Wth the microsoft groinal attachment you dont need the moon. Just load genuine Microsoft Lovemaker Pro and dry heave your self into the clouds |
| 00:46.27 | stoned | ouch |
| 00:47.11 | spheard | Or how about a spot of fishing with Microsoft Bassmaster with new MGA controll plugin |
| 00:47.29 | spheard | Cast it like you mean it |
| 00:47.52 | spheard | Running logging tests (01:43:56) <- what is this? |
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| 00:50.36 | JeffH | when I edit /etc/network/interfaces how do I activate the changes? |
| 00:51.04 | stew | JeffH: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 00:51.27 | JeffH | thanks |
| 00:52.24 | MangosDebian | !seen dpkg |
| 00:52.24 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'dpkg', MangosDebian |
| 00:52.31 | MangosDebian | bah |
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| 00:57.20 | gnat_x | is there a way to have dmesg actively logged to a file that doesn't get trashed on reboot. my system keeps crapping out, so i'm curious what's the end of fmesg. |
| 00:57.28 | gnat_x | s/fmesg/dmesg |
| 00:57.56 | minerale | I have a script inside a mounted volume that does some cleanup, I need the scrtip to unmount the volume its sitting on and then exit, but if I try to call unount it fails as there are open file handles, are there ways to solve that? |
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| 00:59.14 | minerale | gnat_x: while ;; sleep 100 && date >> /to/log && dmesg >> /to/log |
| 00:59.35 | abrotman | gnat_x: like dmesg.1 ? |
| 01:00.31 | dan2 | abrotman: yo |
| 01:00.50 | abrotman | hi |
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| 01:02.19 | minerale | maybe if the script calls another script which is outside the mount folder, then the second script waits for the first to die then it executes the umount, then it deletes itself? |
| 01:02.34 | minerale | something easier would be nice |
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| 01:03.55 | JeffH | how do I purge a package after I've removed it? |
| 01:05.05 | spheard | JeffH: rm blah.deb? |
| 01:05.26 | JeffH | not what I ment.. but I found the answer. |
| 01:05.27 | hermogenes | spheard: haha |
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| 01:07.08 | spheard | god, how long must these bloody test suite runs go on for? |
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| 01:07.28 | ronaldorezende | how can I check the version of my libstdc++? |
| 01:07.49 | ronaldorezende | and how can I check if a program is installed by apt-get ? |
| 01:08.07 | hermogenes | ronaldorezende: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 01:08.10 | spheard | dpkg -l libsdc++ | tail -1 |
| 01:08.10 | dpkg | ii libsdc++ | tail -1 3.1-14.1 spheard's private gamp collection |
| 01:09.08 | spheard | try apt-get install package and see what happens |
| 01:09.23 | ronaldorezende | thank you! |
| 01:09.35 | spheard | np |
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| 01:14.25 | nichos | hi all, im having problems w/my network. I can manually assign an ip (ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.11) and ping the router, other computers, but it wont get an IP on it's own. Also, DNS isn't working. I have search in my resolv.conf Any ideas? |
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| 01:15.34 | MangosDebian | OT: http://picpaste.com/Do_not_push.jpg |
| 01:16.43 | Xenguy | nichos: this might indicate syntax problems in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:17.17 | nichos | can i reconfigure that, or is there a default one? |
| 01:17.51 | nichos | all i have is: auto lo |
| 01:18.00 | nichos | ifcase lo inet loopback |
| 01:18.02 | nichos | auto eth0 |
| 01:18.05 | nichos | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 01:18.08 | namit | where is it that the netboot image loads up install script? |
| 01:18.10 | Xenguy | !paste |
| 01:18.10 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 01:18.21 | nichos | i typed that:) |
| 01:18.39 | Xenguy | nichos: K |
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| 01:19.17 | nichos | with that, when i type ifup eth0 i get send_packet: network is down... |
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| 01:20.00 | Xenguy | nichos: I'm sorry I'm not able to do better than suggest looking closer at that file ATM (got some issues myself ATM ) |
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| 01:20.45 | fasta | What is the fetchmail %s value that gets send in the mda option? |
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| 01:21.42 | grilled-cheese | does somebody know how to get rid of network-admin? It has constant problems on my server and would prefer to use ifconfig and /etc/network/interfaces to manage connectivity |
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| 01:22.29 | grilled-cheese | i've tried aptitude remove network-admin, but it doesn't recognize that name |
| 01:23.15 | abrotman | !find network-admin etch |
| 01:23.24 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'network-admin' (1): (/usr/bin/network-admin, /usr/share/gnome/help/network-admin/C/network-admin.xml, /usr/share/gnome/help/network-admin/es/network-admin.xml) in gnome/gnome-system-tools. |
| 01:23.56 | abrotman | your server runs gnome ? |
| 01:24.07 | grilled-cheese | it has it installed for newbie sys-admins |
| 01:24.13 | grilled-cheese | that and kde |
| 01:24.28 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:24.35 | grilled-cheese | gotta have somewhere to start |
| 01:24.41 | abrotman | if you want windows .. run windows |
| 01:24.47 | grilled-cheese | no thanks |
| 01:24.47 | x3n0 | lol |
| 01:24.54 | abrotman | then treat it like a server |
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| 01:25.14 | spheard | anyone any Idea whats causing this? http://www.moonet.co.uk/webalizer/usage_200707.html#TOPSITES |
| 01:25.21 | grilled-cheese | try to as much as possible |
| 01:25.42 | grilled-cheese | but when you're just starting people on linux, the command line is a bit hard to swallow |
| 01:25.48 | grilled-cheese | at first |
| 01:25.51 | abrotman | bullshit |
| 01:25.58 | spheard | grilled-cheese: keeps out the riff raf |
| 01:25.59 | grilled-cheese | that's been my experience |
| 01:26.15 | abrotman | don't baby them |
| 01:26.16 | grilled-cheese | spheard: if i do that, i get no help |
| 01:26.24 | abrotman | then they get dependent on the stupid tools |
| 01:26.37 | spheard | abrotman: :-o |
| 01:26.41 | abrotman | spheard: that's a bit odd |
| 01:26.44 | Archville | Agree |
| 01:26.49 | grilled-cheese | i keep tabs on how they do stuff, and don't let them use the gui tools |
| 01:26.57 | spheard | its a lot odd |
| 01:27.03 | grilled-cheese | but it works |
| 01:27.03 | ricky | Then why have them installed? |
| 01:27.25 | Archville | I would just let them use CLI for a month |
| 01:27.25 | abrotman | because xterm is easier than ssh! |
| 01:27.31 | grilled-cheese | safety blanket effect, and to get them to start in a comfortable environment |
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| 01:27.37 | abrotman | that's such crap |
| 01:27.37 | spheard | Whats wrong with desktop? |
| 01:27.46 | ricky | spheard: It's a server. |
| 01:27.48 | abrotman | spheard: it's his server |
| 01:27.52 | spheard | oh |
| 01:27.54 | abrotman | it runs gnome *AND* kde |
| 01:27.59 | ricky | Er, "server" |
| 01:27.59 | spheard | what |
| 01:28.04 | spheard | server |
| 01:28.06 | spheard | x |
| 01:28.08 | spheard | ew |
| 01:28.13 | spheard | why? |
| 01:28.15 | Archville | Server += WM; |
| 01:28.17 | abrotman | spheard: i'd guess it's a log issue .. the percentages seem correct .. but the values are wrong .. did you change log formats ? |
| 01:28.21 | Archville | Syntax error. |
| 01:28.22 | spheard | are you on crack? |
| 01:28.37 | grilled-cheese | yes, i'm aware it's not standard practice |
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| 01:28.44 | spheard | abrotman, Ill delete all the logs and start again |
| 01:28.56 | abrotman | spheard: that's not enough |
| 01:29.03 | grilled-cheese | but when you only have a small pool of students, it's hard to get some to make the first step to taking on a task in linux |
| 01:29.08 | abrotman | webalizer keeps data |
| 01:29.17 | ricky | spheard: Is LogFormat what webalizer expects it to be? |
| 01:29.29 | x3n0 | i have a bastardised knoppix install at the moment on my laptop... i have burnt a copy of etch (DVD 1) and want to get knoppix off my machine. |
| 01:29.31 | Archville | grilled-cheese if they are students it's even better to let them know how to manage a server using CLI. |
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| 01:29.41 | Archville | Because they don't have bad habbits. |
| 01:29.41 | grilled-cheese | i don't teach the gui parts, i teach the command line parts, and make them do their documentation that way |
| 01:29.43 | spheard | ricky: default |
| 01:29.56 | ricky | grilled-cheese: You want to get them into the practice of using the CLI. Otherwise, they'll be useless in any real environment in the future. |
| 01:30.10 | abrotman | spheard: that doesn't mean they match |
| 01:30.10 | spheard | Oh crist, you will be getting them adicted to webadmin next |
| 01:30.16 | spheard | Ill check |
| 01:30.22 | grilled-cheese | the only 2 programs i see constantly used is konsole and iceweasel |
| 01:30.26 | ricky | s/webadmin/webmin - yech. |
| 01:30.29 | Archville | Just let them learn how to use the right command line tools |
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| 01:30.43 | ricky | grilled-cheese: Then you know that you're just wasting resources now :) |
| 01:30.44 | Archville | and a good text editor (Vi, Nano etc) to write notes |
| 01:30.58 | ricky | s/Vi/Vim/ |
| 01:30.59 | grilled-cheese | right, vim |
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| 01:31.07 | MangosDebian | vim! |
| 01:31.30 | MangosDebian | not that were religious about editors or anything |
| 01:31.53 | grilled-cheese | so anyway, back to my original question, does somebody know how to remove/disable network-admin? |
| 01:31.54 | x3n0 | who has setup an encrypted system from the install...? |
| 01:32.05 | abrotman | grilled-cheese: yes .. i showed the package it was in |
| 01:32.11 | abrotman | gnome-system-tools .. remove that package |
| 01:32.19 | ricky | grilled-cheese: Well, we told you what package it's in.. |
| 01:32.27 | abrotman | then of course .. your students won't be able to click anything .. but that's a good thing :) |
| 01:32.27 | grilled-cheese | and that won't effect the standard gui? |
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| 01:32.42 | ricky | Who cares about the GUI? And probably not. |
| 01:32.56 | grilled-cheese | i care about the gui |
| 01:33.08 | abrotman | grilled-cheese: the GUI will remain .. the GUI system admin tools will be gone |
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| 01:33.13 | x3n0 | only for desktop systems |
| 01:33.17 | grilled-cheese | ok |
| 01:33.36 | x3n0 | ssh + cli for me |
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| 01:33.53 | hermogenes | xb |
| 01:33.58 | grilled-cheese | i agree x3n0 |
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| 01:34.35 | grilled-cheese | someone seems to be having connection issues |
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| 01:35.50 | spheard | could everyone please visit www.moonet.co.uk so I can get some logs? |
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| 01:36.19 | ricky | Hhee. |
| 01:36.20 | ricky | **Hehe. |
| 01:36.28 | ricky | And crossposter :p |
| 01:36.47 | ricky | Hey, Debian should come before Ubuntu in the sidebar! :D |
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| 01:37.24 | abrotman | Benchmarking www.moonet.co.uk (be patient) |
| 01:37.24 | abrotman | Completed 100 requests |
| 01:37.33 | spheard | :-) |
| 01:37.46 | spheard | what was the benchmark result? good? |
| 01:37.48 | abrotman | spheard: you should have a big log now! |
| 01:38.04 | spheard | Error: Can't open log file /var/www/www.moonet.co.uk/logs/access.log |
| 01:38.08 | abrotman | requested 1000 hits .. took 42 seconds |
| 01:38.10 | spheard | I think I have to wait for the cycle |
| 01:38.28 | abrotman | it went fairly quickly |
| 01:38.43 | spheard | ah, its all relative really |
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| 01:38.59 | spheard | mmm, sun gear is sexy |
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| 01:41.15 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 01:41.15 | dpkg | somebody said qotd166 was <azeem> bengrubb: please try to be comprensible |
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| 01:44.56 | x3n0 | does anyone have any tips for setting up a high security install for a notebook? ideally encrypted "/" partition with true-crypt "/home" as well as swap... |
| 01:45.01 | H2OyJaBoN | hi! |
| 01:45.11 | spheard | sorry, could I ask you all to take a peek at http://www.moonet.co.uk again please? |
| 01:45.34 | ricky | Hi! |
| 01:46.15 | spheard | thankyou |
| 01:46.43 | abrotman | spheard: you could just use ab |
| 01:47.25 | x3n0 | anyone...? :s |
| 01:47.42 | spheard | abrotman: ab? |
| 01:47.56 | x3n0 | does anyone have any tips for setting up a high security install for a notebook? ideally encrypted "/" partition with true-crypt "/home" as well as swap... |
| 01:48.08 | ricky | Apache Benchmark |
| 01:49.25 | spheard | is there an ab debian package? |
| 01:49.39 | ricky | !repeat |
| 01:49.39 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 01:49.54 | abrotman | spheard: it's in the apache packages |
| 01:49.59 | abrotman | !find bin/ab$ etch |
| 01:50.04 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/ab' (1): (/usr/sbin/ab) in net/apache2-utils. |
| 01:50.47 | x3n0 | otp login along with regular passwd |
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| 01:51.41 | spheard | :-) |
| 01:51.53 | spheard | whats the syntax you were using abrotman? |
| 01:52.20 | spheard | btw, I fixed the webalizer thing, thanks for your help :-) |
| 01:52.28 | ricky | ab -n 100 http://www.moonet.co.uk? |
| 01:52.35 | abrotman | and a -c is good too |
| 01:52.43 | x3n0 | maybe even "/boot" on a flash drive ... ? |
| 01:52.53 | ricky | Yay :) |
| 01:53.49 | namit | What part of the netboot image loads up install script? |
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| 01:59.41 | spheard | wtf ab: invalid URL |
| 01:59.41 | spheard | ab -n 100 http://www.moonet.co.uk |
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| 01:59.41 | spheard | ah, trailing slash |
| 01:59.41 | abrotman | actually .. page name is good |
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| 01:59.41 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:59.41 | spheard | hm, Ill have to use this to test the bollocks of the phpmysql thingy |
| 01:59.41 | spheard | I was using wget to do it |
| 01:59.42 | abrotman | i did 10 because it's not my box |
| 01:59.42 | spheard | thanks abrotman |
| 01:59.42 | abrotman | iv'e done -n 20000 -c 1000 |
| 01:59.43 | spheard | :-) |
| 01:59.43 | Kervan | I can not see the files in NTFS partition with a normal user But I can mount and umount. fstab line is like this : /dev/hda1 /media/hda1 ntfs ro,users,auto,uid=777,gid=777 0 0 could you help me please |
| 01:59.43 | abrotman | but it really doesn't matter .. the server will load the page into RAM .. |
| 01:59.43 | spheard | I was thinking of using single dynamic requests of the database |
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| 01:59.43 | spheard | apr_recv: �Ut��Gѿ=���5 6 0u (104) |
| 01:59.43 | spheard | ew |
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| 01:59.43 | spheard | thats all gone a bit pete tong |
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| 02:01.18 | spheard | wow, going to have to keep an eye on my /proc/user_beancounters if Im going to do stuff like that |
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| 02:01.38 | HSorgYves | morning, how can I change the mailfrom used by cron? |
| 02:01.44 | abrotman | MAILTO |
| 02:02.03 | abrotman | man 5 crontab |
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| 02:02.26 | HSorgYves | mailto changes the e-mail which gets the mail, i want to change the from field |
| 02:02.49 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:02.51 | abrotman | why? |
| 02:03.10 | abrotman | what does it currently say ? |
| 02:03.17 | HSorgYves | because it gets set to root@tibold and so I can't sent mails outside of the server |
| 02:04.11 | ricky | So... that's if you want to reply to a cron message? |
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| 02:04.56 | HSorgYves | no, the mailserver i want to forward the mail to refuses to accept it because @tibold is not a valid domain |
| 02:05.24 | lostson | are there some reccomended fonts to use on a 22" widescreen ? |
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| 02:05.53 | abrotman | lostson: ones you like ? |
| 02:06.09 | lostson | i cant seem to find any that look very good |
| 02:06.17 | lostson | especially in a terminal |
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| 02:06.38 | lostson | or on a black background |
| 02:08.29 | lostson | thoght maybe there were some tricks with a lcd widescreen i didnt know about maybe |
| 02:08.46 | dondelelcaro | lostson: 'fixed' is what I use |
| 02:09.23 | dondelelcaro | (specifically -misc-fixed-medium-r-*-*-15-*-*-*-*-*-*-*) |
| 02:09.34 | lostson | hmm |
| 02:09.42 | nataku_ | hmm. this is a longshot, but I once saw this program you can run on any VT102-ish terminal that displays weather, clock, and other statistics onscreen |
| 02:09.44 | nataku_ | anyone know it? |
| 02:09.55 | nataku_ | in console, of course |
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| 02:10.30 | lostson | font just dont look smooth at all |
| 02:10.49 | netdaemon | dosn't |
| 02:11.48 | namit | what script is run on netboot cd startup? |
| 02:11.50 | HSorgYves | anyone an idea how to change the mailfrom used by cron? |
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| 02:14.27 | yotta|lap | anyone know of a semacode decoder for linux? |
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| 02:16.39 | K`zan | hi folks. I want to install everything I have on this machine on one I just installed deb4 on (both deb4). Is there some easy way to get what is installed here and feed it to aptitude(?) over there to get this done? |
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| 02:17.03 | K`zan | Thank much for any suggestions or pointers! |
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| 02:18.53 | x3n0 | do you need to use the gui installation to use "physical volume for encryption"? |
| 02:19.43 | nataku_ | x3n0, AFAIK, you can still set up LVM with LUKS with the text-mode installer. |
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| 02:20.19 | abrotman | !tell K`zan about debian clone |
| 02:20.25 | x3n0 | nataku_, thanks |
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| 02:29.55 | Techie-Micheal | I'm on Etch, trying to install exim4, and I'm told exim4 can't start because the user uucp is missing. Any chance I can easily add uucp back? |
| 02:30.18 | jetscreamer | wtf is uucp btw |
| 02:30.38 | jetscreamer | !uucp |
| 02:30.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, uucp is the Unix to Unix Copy Protocol, used for mail over non-permanent dialup links. a formerly widely used protocol that has been pretty much obsolesced in the face of public internet. |
| 02:30.42 | Techie-Micheal | unix to unix copy, AFAIK. |
| 02:30.45 | Techie-Micheal | Yeah. ^_^ |
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| 02:31.02 | jetscreamer | never heard of that |
| 02:31.05 | jetscreamer | !find uucp |
| 02:31.12 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'uucp' (5 of 14): (/etc/news/scripts/send-uucp) in news/inn ;; (/usr/bin/gruntreceive-uucp) in utils/grunt-uucp ;; (/usr/bin/uucp, /etc/pam.d/uucp, /etc/cron.d/uucp) in comm/uucp ;; (/etc/news/uucpsend.ctl, /usr/lib/news/bin/uucpsend) in news/uucpsend ;; (/usr/share/doc/courier-doc/htmldoc/courieruucp.html) in doc/courier-doc. |
| 02:31.21 | ricky | aptitude show uucp was actually useful :) |
| 02:31.23 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search maybe i dunno |
| 02:31.29 | jetscreamer | or that^^\ |
| 02:31.54 | jetscreamer | then aptitude install |
| 02:32.06 | Techie-Micheal | Yeah, I've already tried apt-get install uucp, but it still didn't work. |
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| 02:34.16 | ricky | The UUCP user should be in base-passwd, right? |
| 02:34.24 | ricky | (http://ftp.debian.org/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html) |
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| 02:35.08 | Techie-Micheal | Yeah, I had it, but it went missing. I think it happened when I removed postfix. |
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| 02:36.15 | jetscreamer | purge it then reinstall? |
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| 02:36.19 | ricky | Hmm.. I wonder if /usr/sbin/update-passwd would be useful... |
| 02:36.23 | jetscreamer | or --force-something? |
| 02:36.45 | ricky | Actually, probably not. |
| 02:36.50 | ricky | But I wouldn't purge base-passwd ;) |
| 02:36.59 | Techie-Micheal | hehe, I'm not planning to. :P |
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| 02:39.44 | Techie-Micheal | There, fixed. |
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| 02:40.38 | Techie-Micheal | Copied the entries from passwd, group, and shadow from another Etch system in to the appropriate places. Kinda weird that happened. o_O |
| 02:41.05 | Kobaz | since knoppix seems to be debian based, can you kickstart a debian install from knoppix? |
| 02:42.26 | ricky | debootstrap, perhaps? |
| 02:42.31 | Kobaz | sounds goodf |
| 02:43.54 | epsilon | grab the stable .deb of same arch, it may work |
| 02:44.17 | epsilon | or the source, if knoppix has the compiler |
| 02:44.37 | Techie-Micheal | Thanks for hte help guys. :) Wish I knew what happened and to prevent it from happening again. @_@ |
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| 02:44.44 | Kobaz | well you can apt-get a compiler from knoppix |
| 02:44.53 | roue | hola. |
| 02:45.35 | ricky | !es |
| 02:45.36 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:45.56 | jetscreamer | To update all the files that exist in \Reports in the previous example, regardless of date, type: xcopy \rawdata \reports /u |
| 02:46.02 | jetscreamer | uuu |
| 02:46.13 | roue | I'm running etch and trying to get samba server working. Everything is the default. Whenever I try to connect it just refuses the password, even though I believe the package imported all the user accounts. any ideas? thanks. |
| 02:46.44 | ricky | roue: Oops, my mistake :) |
| 02:46.59 | roue | how's that, ricky? |
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| 02:47.21 | yixuan | hello all, how can I know .so file's version? |
| 02:47.36 | ricky | roue: (the !es) |
| 02:47.36 | abrotman | ls -l blah.so |
| 02:47.58 | roue | ricky: what do you mean? |
| 02:48.41 | yixuan | abrotman, why i can't see the version? |
| 02:48.44 | ricky | roue: I assumed that you wanted #debian-es. |
| 02:48.49 | yixuan | it is like '-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 281163 Mar 21 20:52 libbmapi_x32.so.img |
| 02:48.49 | yixuan | ' |
| 02:48.52 | roue | ah. no. |
| 02:49.17 | abrotman | because that's an img file |
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| 02:50.33 | yixuan | abrotman, i just rename .so to .img |
| 02:50.50 | abrotman | is it actually a .so /. |
| 02:50.51 | yixuan | it is a .so file |
| 02:50.52 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:50.58 | abrotman | file blah ... what does it say ? |
| 02:51.19 | yixuan | libbmapi_x32.so.img: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped |
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| 02:52.33 | yixuan | i can use nm and readelf -a, but actually i want to know the version |
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| 02:53.54 | yixuan | is that file 's version 1? cuz of result said ' Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV)' |
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| 02:58.00 | yixuan | abrotman, any comments? |
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| 03:00.06 | gnat_x | is there a way to get dmesg into a file that gets written every time something is added to it? a file that doesn't get overwritten at reboot. |
| 03:00.20 | abrotman | gnat_x: ls /var/log/dmesg* |
| 03:00.33 | abrotman | yixuan: i don't see anything |
| 03:01.06 | gnat_x | abrotman: that makes total sense. |
| 03:01.17 | abrotman | gnat_x: don't you have dmesg.0 and dmesg.1 |
| 03:01.17 | abrotman | ? |
| 03:01.39 | gnat_x | yeah. |
| 03:01.46 | abrotman | gnat_x: will that suffice? |
| 03:02.10 | yixuan | abrotman, do we have any other ways to get .so file's version? except ls -l, any other commands |
| 03:02.19 | abrotman | yixuan: not that i can think off |
| 03:02.21 | abrotman | of |
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| 03:02.36 | gnat_x | i think i might be experiencing hardware failure, so i am curious to see if there's anything in dmesg from right before it falls down. |
| 03:03.10 | kervan | I am working to install Intel Pro/Wireless 2100 (ipw2100). Manual says that install "hotplug" but when I work to install hotplug hotplug wants to remove gnome... I use Debian 4. Are there any other way to install install wireless card? |
| 03:03.32 | kervan | or how can I install my wireless card? |
| 03:03.48 | abrotman | !ipw2100 |
| 03:03.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, ipw2100 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2100-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. For help try #ipw2100 or http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net. It's built in to kernels >= 2.6.15 and you need a 2.6 kernel to compile it |
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| 03:04.42 | kervan | abrotman: do I need to install hotplug ? |
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| 03:16.05 | cartesian1984 | do you think one should reboot following a glibc upgrade? |
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| 03:17.53 | jetscreamer | i was told no the other night cartesian1984 |
| 03:18.07 | jetscreamer | i thought libc6 would qualify |
| 03:18.28 | jetscreamer | !reboot |
| 03:18.29 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
| 03:18.39 | jetscreamer | !qotd2 |
| 03:18.39 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
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| 03:29.05 | burningfire | Hi. Is it safe to remove nfs-common(rpc.statd) and portmap if I am not going to use any RPC-related network applications? |
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| 03:32.40 | simonrvn | sure |
| 03:33.26 | burningfire | Ok. |
| 03:33.44 | burningfire | In a default install, is it also safe to remove atd or is some program going to use it? |
| 03:34.10 | simonrvn | yeh, generally. i keep around 'cause i use it, but cron you'll need |
| 03:34.56 | stoned | tanchoo balanchoo |
| 03:35.19 | StacyM | If anyone is bored and wants some great conversation please leave me a message (I screen my calls) @ 716.876.1959...I get naked for Linux! |
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| 03:35.28 | stoned | dude |
| 03:35.30 | stoned | wtf |
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| 03:35.49 | StacyM | Call me. |
| 03:36.24 | gravity | That's a new one |
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| 03:36.51 | stoned | like seriously man |
| 03:36.52 | stoned | wtf |
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| 03:37.06 | StacyM | Try calling. |
| 03:37.16 | StacyM | What's your name? |
| 03:37.29 | gravity | StacyM: Do you have something on-topic? Perhaps a question about debian? |
| 03:37.32 | stoned | My name is Jasoos |
| 03:37.42 | simonrvn | StacyM: welcome to my /ignore list |
| 03:37.58 | StacyM | Yes. How much Debian does it take to get my clothing off? Find out and call the above number. |
| 03:38.03 | stoned | simonrvn: lol |
| 03:38.11 | stoned | what the shiz man |
| 03:38.15 | stoned | whats with this kid |
| 03:38.16 | stoned | lol |
| 03:38.27 | StacyM | Linux is for fags. Shit your pants, simonrvn. |
| 03:38.28 | stoned | I can't help but laugh |
| 03:38.42 | simonrvn | some people's children.... |
| 03:38.43 | StacyM | That's because you're a good guy, stoned, call me. |
| 03:38.45 | stoned | its abou to be monday though |
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| 03:39.05 | simonrvn | hi gravity |
| 03:39.23 | stoned | i'm waiting to feel the gravitational pull |
| 03:39.26 | stoned | of gravity |
| 03:39.33 | stoned | feel it on StacyM |
| 03:39.35 | stoned | lol |
| 03:39.36 | simonrvn | heh |
| 03:39.48 | stoned | like |
| 03:39.52 | gravity | wtf |
| 03:39.53 | stoned | 'bitch, get in that singularity' |
| 03:39.55 | stoned | hehe |
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| 03:40.04 | stoned | aka ban |
| 03:40.18 | somian[0] | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.25 | stoned | ignore |
| 03:40.36 | somian[0] | ooops |
| 03:40.46 | stoned | ingore thats a funny word |
| 03:40.52 | stoned | ungoor in my language means grape |
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| 03:40.55 | stoned | or grapes |
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| 03:41.10 | StacyM | Linux makes me put grapes in my ass. |
| 03:41.28 | stoned | simonrvn: what time is it there |
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| 03:41.50 | somian[0] | Ohh, it figures. A fuckwit in Buffalo. I'll kick your ass from here to Batavia if I ever meet you, Stacy, you homophobic cretin. |
| 03:41.54 | simonrvn | 23:41 |
| 03:42.03 | stoned | oh yeh |
| 03:42.05 | somian[0] | Too late ;-( |
| 03:42.06 | gravity | That appears to have worked |
| 03:42.06 | stoned | I got the same time man |
| 03:42.30 | stoned | gravity the the force that is grander than all else |
| 03:42.43 | stoned | on a cosmological scale of galactic super clusters |
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| 03:42.59 | simonrvn | for sure =) |
| 03:43.02 | stoned | that much gravity |
| 03:43.04 | teksimian | cast; you thre? |
| 03:43.14 | stoned | then immagine the most intense form of it in a black hole |
| 03:43.21 | gravity | simonrvn: Hiya, btw :-) (sorry, I was fighting with auto_bleh) |
| 03:43.28 | simonrvn | np :) |
| 03:43.38 | stoned | I like wikipedia |
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| 03:43.52 | stoned | I learn all my physics there, its interesting, but I can't solve those formulas in school |
| 03:43.57 | simonrvn | oh stacym was a homophobe too? figures |
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| 03:44.37 | simonrvn | yeh, i used to read a lot of physics books, and chem. i've forgotten a lot of it not being used much |
| 03:44.48 | simonrvn | still interests me however |
| 03:44.52 | somian[0] | He was almost on my subnet ... gawd, the possibilities, if I could have gotten into his machine. |
| 03:44.55 | stoned | I like how everything is the same |
| 03:45.01 | stoned | fundamentally |
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| 03:45.21 | simonrvn | somian[0]: oh fuck, really? :) |
| 03:45.25 | stoned | energy == matter etc |
| 03:45.57 | somian[0] | Yeah, we've got the same provider and nearly the same router, it looks like ... so embarrasing ;-D |
| 03:46.03 | stoned | how come no one has figured out time travel yet |
| 03:46.05 | stoned | dammit |
| 03:46.10 | maso | alguien que quiera platicar en espanol |
| 03:46.12 | simonrvn | stoned: it is, just different vibrations. funny thing is eastern mysticism of various cultures, and us here, knew of this long before they called it physics |
| 03:46.36 | simonrvn | somian[0]: *shrug* you can't account for your neighbours, cbyer or otherwise |
| 03:46.50 | somian[0] | I know that, intellectually ;-) |
| 03:46.54 | stoned | simonrvn: humans are very perceptive and can reason very well |
| 03:47.00 | simonrvn | stoned: scientists you mean? ;) |
| 03:47.05 | stoned | no humans |
| 03:47.26 | simonrvn | stoned: i suspect they did too, but forgot it |
| 03:47.39 | stoned | I well |
| 03:47.45 | stoned | what |
| 03:48.09 | simonrvn | somian[0]: *grin* |
| 03:48.09 | stoned | today we's gonna talk about science |
| 03:48.20 | stoned | what is techmology? is it good, or is it whack? |
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| 03:48.37 | simonrvn | application and implementation are key there |
| 03:48.45 | stoned | ali g. |
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| 03:49.27 | stoned | I would like to go to space one day |
| 03:49.36 | simonrvn | it being whack or cool depends on a) your perception b) the effects on you environment |
| 03:49.42 | simonrvn | your* |
| 03:49.50 | stoned | i like space, its cool |
| 03:50.03 | simonrvn | it's very cool :P (pun there) |
| 03:50.10 | stoned | I recently saw a picture of earth from around the edge of the solar system |
| 03:50.25 | teksimian | Does anyone know why after installing xen, it now get 4gb seg fixup messages spewed at me? |
| 03:50.29 | simonrvn | artist conception, or photo? |
| 03:50.34 | stoned | actual photo |
| 03:50.38 | simonrvn | nice |
| 03:50.45 | simonrvn | teksimian: #xen maybe? |
| 03:50.51 | simonrvn | afk, brb |
| 03:51.13 | stoned | http://gemssty.com/2006/10/02/92/ |
| 03:53.20 | teksimian | simonrvn; theres workarounds in the form of patched glibc, aptitude installed glibc-xen, but it still does it. |
| 03:56.49 | simonrvn | teksimian: :/. i can't help much with that sorry |
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| 04:01.57 | cast | teksimian: sure |
| 04:02.09 | cast | teksimian: your sister up? |
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| 04:03.14 | teksimian | cast; I dont have a sister? |
| 04:03.37 | somian[0] | Ahh, no worries then |
| 04:03.39 | simonrvn | stoned: interesting to read the comments posted afterwards... the majority missing the point of the quote from Sagan... |
| 04:04.01 | somian[0] | Generally if you talk to a drunk guy about his sister, violence is assured. |
| 04:04.03 | simonrvn | stoned: good find. wela'lin |
| 04:04.21 | teksimian | cast; just had a question for you about xen and 4gb fixup messages. |
| 04:04.29 | cast | teksimian: ahh, sure. |
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| 04:06.23 | teksimian | cast; it seems its nothing harmful just a nuisance. ##xen tells me the source of these are unpatched libc versions. it installed libc6-xen but the messages persist. |
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| 04:11.57 | echosystm | hi uys |
| 04:12.19 | echosystm | im setting up a really old laptop here just for viewing pdf documents and mp3s accross the network |
| 04:12.25 | echosystm | nothing else! |
| 04:12.33 | echosystm | i dont even need a task bar, just a window manager |
| 04:12.50 | echosystm | would debian be good for this? its a pentium 2 233mhz |
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| 04:13.19 | teksimian | sure? |
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| 04:14.00 | echosystm | something im confused about... all linux distros on a base install should perform in a similar manner right? |
| 04:14.41 | echosystm | eg. debian + xpdf + xmms (nothing else) should run just as fast as ubuntu + xpdf + xmms right? |
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| 04:16.08 | teksimian | debian and ubuntu are pretty close as far as distros go. |
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| 04:17.00 | echosystm | i am much more familiar with ubuntu |
| 04:17.10 | echosystm | and my isp mirrors the repository |
| 04:17.21 | echosystm | would there be any speed benefit with debian? |
| 04:18.11 | nataku_ | is there any way to make gnome show thumbnail previews of files if I'm uploading one to a website with firefox? |
| 04:18.15 | inFw | where can I get a nice overview of unix time, and how to calculate if 10min have passed when comparing two timestamps? |
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| 04:18.38 | lightning | does anyone know how to configure the screensaver that keeps turning on here? |
| 04:18.46 | lightning | xscreensaver is uninstalled |
| 04:19.55 | nataku_ | lightning, it's probable gnome-screensaver |
| 04:20.09 | nataku_ | lightning, I mean, which window manager/desktop environment are you currently using? |
| 04:21.15 | echosystm | hYdr05o5 |
| 04:21.36 | lightning | nataku_: icewm |
| 04:21.52 | nataku_ | whoa. |
| 04:21.55 | nataku_ | that's a bit of a puzzler. |
| 04:21.55 | echosystm | whats the comand to change your nick? |
| 04:21.59 | echosystm | i cant work it out |
| 04:22.00 | lightning | i've checked gnome-screensaver |
| 04:22.06 | nataku_ | echosystm, /nick newname |
| 04:22.09 | echosystm | thanks |
| 04:22.11 | lightning | echosystm: /nick yeah |
| 04:22.29 | nataku_ | lightning, try "ps | grep screensaver" |
| 04:22.39 | nataku_ | errr |
| 04:22.42 | nataku_ | lightning, try "ps aux | grep screensaver" |
| 04:23.01 | lightning | brandon 8893 0.0 0.0 5160 772 pts/1 S+ 23:22 0:00 grep screensaver |
| 04:23.11 | nataku_ | dang. |
| 04:23.13 | nataku_ | that's a bit puzzling. |
| 04:23.32 | nataku_ | sorry, I seem to be baffled :( |
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| 04:23.38 | lightning | i know! i've removed xscreensaver and gnome-screensaver is disabled |
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| 04:23.51 | lightning | maybe it is icewm's screensaver |
| 04:24.09 | nataku_ | I don't think icewm has one :/ |
| 04:24.11 | hydr0 | ugh, taken |
| 04:24.14 | nataku_ | wait. |
| 04:24.21 | nataku_ | what window manager did you install initially, icewm? |
| 04:24.59 | lightning | initially metacity |
| 04:25.34 | lightning | gnome |
| 04:25.38 | nataku_ | so gnome, yeah |
| 04:25.43 | nataku_ | that means gnome-screensaver is probably the culprit |
| 04:25.51 | lightning | remove it? |
| 04:26.03 | nataku_ | is gnome still installed? |
| 04:26.18 | lightning | some of it's components are, yes |
| 04:26.20 | nataku_ | try "gnome-screensaver-preferences" |
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| 04:26.29 | nataku_ | just to be nice to the overall sanity of your packages :) |
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| 04:27.02 | metbsd | hmm kernel panic on my mail server |
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| 04:27.10 | nataku_ | you seem surprisingly calm. |
| 04:27.11 | nataku_ | heh |
| 04:27.31 | lightning | no gnome-screensaver and no gnome-screensaver-preferences |
| 04:28.27 | nataku_ | hmm. |
| 04:28.30 | nataku_ | this is very odd. |
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| 04:28.44 | nataku_ | I haven't the slightest clue, lightning |
| 04:28.49 | nataku_ | best of luck :/ |
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| 04:30.11 | zinox | hi |
| 04:30.16 | zinox | O:-) |
| 04:31.48 | rockets | I know this isn't #irssi, but anybody know if theres a way to make irssi give gui notifications, like toasters |
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| 04:34.43 | metbsd | Kernel panic - not syncing: Attemping to free lock with active block list |
| 04:37.06 | debiantonio | irssi gui notify ---> http://www.pthree.org/2007/03/21/irssi-gui-notify/ |
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| 04:44.27 | grilled-cheese | just so people know, php-syslog-ng doesn't like databases with '-' in the names |
| 04:44.44 | grilled-cheese | just got finished patching the beta myself |
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| 04:56.46 | polishpaul | hey, does anyone know how to retreive their reserved login password? I'm trying to join another chanel and it says that i don't have a registered nick (but i do.. i got in here). |
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| 04:59.42 | aztec105 | hello all could use a decent priomer for setting up a ddns server |
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| 05:00.59 | echosystm | on a p2 233 + 128mb ram, what size swap should i use? |
| 05:01.05 | echosystm | the hard drive is only 5gb |
| 05:01.20 | imMute | generally 1.2 to 2x of what your RAM is |
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| 05:01.33 | echosystm | so 256? :P |
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| 05:01.36 | echosystm | lol |
| 05:02.38 | teer2 | Any of you go to DebConf? |
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| 05:03.01 | teer2 | It looks like it was a lot of fun. |
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| 05:09.13 | polishpaul | CAPAB IDENTIFY-MSG |
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| 05:11.07 | rockets | !annoy rockets |
| 05:11.22 | rockets | Grr. Isn't there an !annoy or something like tht |
| 05:11.46 | streuner | rockets: use /msg in order to annoy yourself |
| 05:12.01 | metbsd | Kernel panic - not syncing: Attemping to free lock with active block list |
| 05:12.05 | rockets | whats the bots name again |
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| 05:12.39 | peterS | rockets: first of all, if you're going to play with bots, do it in private. second, its name is dpkg. |
| 05:13.20 | rockets | Ok but I just did /msg dpkg annoy and it didn't work |
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| 05:13.36 | peterS | rockets: does the fact that you can't get the bot to work annoy you? |
| 05:13.54 | peterS | if so, apparently it _does_ work, in the sense that you got what you asked for |
| 05:14.01 | rockets | lol |
| 05:14.13 | rockets | actually i was looking for amusement, not to be annoyed |
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| 05:27.11 | jdhore | Hi, i'm running Lenny with the 2.6.22 kernel from Unstable and i'm having a weird issue...I keep Java with Azureus running full-time and whenever i do something that uses 100% of my CPU, even after i stop by closing the window (and killing the process if necessary) 100% of my CPU is STILL in use for another 10-15 minutes and i can't get anything done in that situation...anyone have an idea for me? |
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| 05:31.08 | golax | hi all |
| 05:31.14 | Hoxzer | Hello you |
| 05:31.40 | golax | :) |
| 05:31.42 | databuddy | h, |
| 05:31.44 | databuddy | hm. |
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| 05:32.12 | databuddy | if one chooses to use the gnu herd kernel instead of the linux kernel does the rest of the distro work with it? |
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| 05:39.59 | Guerin | databuddy: no, because hurd is not binary compatible with linux |
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| 05:40.36 | Guerin | databuddy: if you want to use debian gnu/hurd, you can, but it doesn't sounds as if you know enough about it to do so yet - it's not a walk in the park |
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| 05:52.49 | babarhaq | hi all could some one point to a url explaining the diference between apt-get and aptitude? |
| 05:52.58 | Guerin | !aptitude |
| 05:52.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx ... |
| 05:53.07 | Guerin | babarhaq: i think it's that last one |
| 05:53.23 | babarhaq | Guerin: thanx |
| 05:53.27 | Guerin | babarhaq: ot /msg dpkg aptitude for the full factoid |
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| 06:02.16 | databuddy | Guerin: yeah probably much too much for me - tho it is quite interesting ^_^ |
| 06:02.31 | Guerin | yep, it sure is |
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| 06:16.12 | cartesian1984 | Hey, there's a repository specifically for newer kernels, right? |
| 06:16.34 | streuner | cartesian1984: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 06:17.03 | streuner | in general, backports.org (if you using etch/stable) |
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| 06:17.51 | cartesian1984 | streuner: it's 2.6, but I'm on lenny. Will I have to reboot the etch box after upgrading from sarge to etch? |
| 06:18.05 | cartesian1984 | streuner: is it just a dist-upgrade then a reboot? Being a newer install of sarge? |
| 06:18.48 | rahul | LIGHTS OUT |
| 06:18.54 | rahul | GUERILLA RADIO |
| 06:18.56 | simonrvn | no you don't need to reboot. you can restart your daemons |
| 06:18.57 | rahul | TURN THAT SHIT UP |
| 06:19.03 | simonrvn | rahul: eh? |
| 06:19.10 | streuner | cartesian1984: tell us what you want do |
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| 06:19.39 | simonrvn | 'want to do' |
| 06:19.41 | simonrvn | btw |
| 06:19.43 | streuner | rahul: turn off the CAPS, iam just awake |
| 06:20.09 | cartesian1984 | streuner: sorry for being unclear. I want to upgrade a colo'd sarge server to Etch and use a Lenny kernel (because I've had issues with the version of vserver in Etch. |
| 06:20.26 | streuner | o_O |
| 06:20.27 | simonrvn | rahul bounces off me |
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| 06:20.37 | simonrvn | lands on the ground, unhurt |
| 06:20.52 | rahul | and gets up and jumps around :) |
| 06:20.53 | streuner | cartesian1984: hm, read <release notes> |
| 06:21.07 | streuner | cartesian1984: /msg dpkg release notes |
| 06:21.17 | simonrvn | rahul: are you high or drunk? or just feeling good? |
| 06:21.17 | cartesian1984 | Gotcha. |
| 06:21.29 | rahul | morello did a 4th octave pinch harmonic |
| 06:21.36 | rahul | simonrvn: all of the above |
| 06:21.37 | simonrvn | ok |
| 06:21.43 | rahul | well, not necessarily now. |
| 06:21.48 | streuner | cartesian1984: use a bootloader you can handle and let the working kernel in any case on that box |
| 06:21.53 | simonrvn | i meant now ;) |
| 06:22.04 | rahul | simonrvn: I have no idea |
| 06:22.13 | simonrvn | ok, jus asking =) |
| 06:22.20 | rahul | my feet are numb, my ankles hurt, and my calves are sore |
| 06:22.28 | simonrvn | aaw |
| 06:22.32 | simonrvn | you went dancing? |
| 06:22.40 | rahul | I went crazy |
| 06:22.45 | rahul | I went to rock the bells |
| 06:22.52 | rahul | it rocked my BALLS |
| 06:22.58 | simonrvn | tmi |
| 06:23.02 | rahul | !!!! |
| 06:23.02 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
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| 06:23.30 | TiMiDo | hey anyone in here uses nvidia? |
| 06:23.39 | rahul | TiMiDo: no |
| 06:23.44 | simonrvn | nope, not even the people who use it |
| 06:23.58 | simonrvn | !tell TiMiDo -about ask |
| 06:24.04 | simonrvn | !tell TiMiDo -about smart questions |
| 06:24.34 | rahul | dur na naaah na dur na naah naah na |
| 06:24.35 | rahul | dur na naaah na dur na naah naah na |
| 06:24.46 | streuner | tim__b: give us more details |
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| 06:24.58 | streuner | TiMiDo: give us more details |
| 06:25.31 | lymeca | The Warzone 2100 data files just made it into unstable recently...but what about the software portion of the game? |
| 06:25.36 | rahul | simonrvn: it has to start somewhere |
| 06:25.41 | rahul | streuner: it has to start some time. |
| 06:25.42 | simonrvn | rahul: you're in a really good mood i see =) |
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| 06:25.50 | simonrvn | sure does |
| 06:25.51 | TiMiDo | streuner, im trying to run X with the module nvidia i did modprobe nvidia but is not working |
| 06:25.57 | rahul | what better place than here! WHAT BETTER TIME THAN NOW!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 06:25.58 | TiMiDo | i can pastebin the /var/log |
| 06:26.08 | streuner | TiMiDo: why not just usuing "nv"? |
| 06:26.10 | simonrvn | lymeca: i just played a game of that |
| 06:26.21 | rahul | TiMiDo: did you install it? |
| 06:26.22 | simonrvn | lymeca: so yeh, it's there |
| 06:26.31 | TiMiDo | streuner, because i wanted to used beryl on it =) |
| 06:26.52 | streuner | TiMiDo: uhm, i hope you are using nvidia-glx at least? |
| 06:26.58 | TiMiDo | yeap i am |
| 06:27.07 | simonrvn | TiMiDo: ask the bot about nvidia one-liner for a refresher |
| 06:27.08 | rahul | and you compiled a kernel module? |
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| 06:27.30 | streuner | TiMiD: and read /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/ |
| 06:27.31 | simonrvn | er? |
| 06:27.36 | streuner | hm |
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| 06:28.21 | streuner | TiMiDo: and read /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/ |
| 06:28.29 | TiMiDo | streuner: can you join #flood so i can pasted you something that comes up when i do startx? |
| 06:28.49 | k-man | i'd like to have postfix and exim installed simultaneously - is that possible? |
| 06:28.54 | streuner | TiMiDo: just use the paster bot (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 06:29.02 | TiMiDo | streuner: im with out an X =*( |
| 06:29.03 | TiMiDo | that's why |
| 06:29.42 | cartesian1984 | streuner: thanks. |
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| 06:30.58 | TiMiDo | streuner: that's the error message im getting |
| 06:31.10 | rahul | can't stay awake any more... |
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| 06:31.46 | TiMiDo | any ideas streuner ? |
| 06:31.57 | CppIsWeird | when my laptop is unplugged, it randomly dims and gets brighter and dims and gets brighter weither im typeing or not and delays to get brighter again after i use my mouse. how do i stop this. |
| 06:32.07 | CppIsWeird | what utility controls this? |
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| 06:33.23 | Guerin | CppIsWeird: some acpi frontend. Probably powersaved. |
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| 06:33.56 | streuner | TiMiDo: what does "lspci -v | grep -i vga" say? |
| 06:34.24 | lymeca | simonrvn: What's the executable called? |
| 06:34.30 | TiMiDo | 00:09.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 06:34.36 | TiMiDo | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] |
| 06:34.36 | TiMiDo | Integrated Video (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 06:34.41 | TiMiDo | those line i get |
| 06:34.44 | lymeca | simonrvn: Oh shoot it's not in amd64 |
| 06:35.14 | streuner | TiMiDo: turn off the onboard-chip and reboot |
| 06:35.17 | CppIsWeird | Guerin, says powersaved is not currently installed |
| 06:35.22 | TiMiDo | streuner: how? |
| 06:35.24 | TiMiDo | do i do that? |
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| 06:35.42 | streuner | TiMiDo: in BIOS just disabled VGA onboardchip |
| 06:35.42 | juancgt | i need some help running 2 X servers on 2 different screens.. is it possible / |
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| 06:35.56 | TiMiDo | alright brb |
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| 06:40.05 | TimiDo | streuner: im getting the same error, |
| 06:40.12 | TimiDo | is there something to do to fixed this issued |
| 06:40.34 | streuner | TimiDo: what does "lspci -v | grep -i vga" say - do you get the same result? |
| 06:40.54 | TimiDo | nope not any more |
| 06:41.08 | streuner | whats the output now, nvidia blahblah? |
| 06:41.25 | TimiDo | yeah |
| 06:41.44 | streuner | hm, FX 5200 is supported by nvidia-glx |
| 06:41.51 | TimiDo | yeah it is |
| 06:42.00 | TimiDo | im building the module again |
| 06:42.02 | TimiDo | and see if it works |
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| 06:42.26 | lightning | xscreensaver is uninstalled, but i did find this .xscreensaver file in home/brandon |
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| 06:43.07 | streuner | TimiDo: dpkg -l nvidia-glx |
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| 06:44.46 | simonrvn | lightning: and? |
| 06:44.47 | TimiDo | ii nvidia-glx 100.14.11-1 NVIDIA binary Xorg driver |
| 06:44.58 | lightning | simonrvn: and i want to disable this screensaver |
| 06:45.06 | lightning | that keeps firing |
| 06:45.14 | streuner | TimiDo: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 06:45.26 | Guerin | lightning: killall xscreensaver |
| 06:45.27 | simonrvn | so remove it from your session if you have one running, like gnome or kde or something |
| 06:45.28 | TimiDo | ii libc6 2.6-2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 06:45.33 | simonrvn | and kill it |
| 06:45.38 | lightning | Guerin: will that work forever? |
| 06:45.49 | Guerin | lightning: if you have it uninstalled, how will it ever load again? |
| 06:45.51 | TimiDo | (EE) Failed to load module "glx" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 06:45.51 | TimiDo | (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 06:45.57 | TimiDo | now im getting that error streuner |
| 06:46.00 | lightning | idk, how is it loading now |
| 06:46.00 | Guerin | TimiDo: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 06:46.01 | lightning | seems odd |
| 06:46.09 | golax | who use skystar-2 in the debian? |
| 06:46.09 | golax | <golax> what dvb-s player in the Etch is the best? |
| 06:46.10 | lightning | Guerin: as root? |
| 06:46.17 | Guerin | TimiDo: nvidia is only very barely supported in here |
| 06:46.35 | Guerin | lightning: yes. check to see if it's running with ps ax |grep xscreensaver |
| 06:46.51 | Guerin | !anyone use skystar-2 in the debian? |
| 06:46.51 | dpkg | No, no one uses skystar-2 in the debian, not even the people who use it. |
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| 06:47.04 | sep | TimiDo, i used the nvidia one-liner usualy with great success. |
| 06:47.05 | lightning | Guerin: no process killed |
| 06:47.07 | sep | !nvidia one-liner |
| 06:47.08 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 06:47.14 | TimiDo | sep: for me is not working |
| 06:47.18 | Guerin | lightning: so do what I said next |
| 06:47.25 | Guerin | TimiDo: complain to nvidia corporation |
| 06:47.27 | sep | TimiDo, witch debian ? |
| 06:47.29 | golax | i use skystar-2 in the debian :) |
| 06:47.34 | TimiDo | sep: testing |
| 06:47.34 | Guerin | golax: impossible. |
| 06:47.39 | streuner | TimiDo: hm, you are using lenny and use the nvidia-glx package out unstable |
| 06:47.52 | lightning | 13429 pts/1 S+ 0:00 grep xscreensaver |
| 06:48.05 | sebdah | Hi! What does the number four in this line mean? drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2007-07-29 10:32 . ? |
| 06:48.19 | Guerin | sebdah: info coreutils ls |
| 06:48.26 | sebdah | Guerin: thanks! |
| 06:48.33 | Guerin | sebdah: welcome :) |
| 06:48.36 | TimiDo | streuner: yeap |
| 06:48.45 | streuner | TimiDo: ic, nvidia-glx isnt in testing atm |
| 06:48.57 | TimiDo | is not? |
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| 06:49.02 | TimiDo | so streuner what can i do to fixed the issue? |
| 06:49.32 | TimiDo | is telling me that the nvidia module does not exist |
| 06:49.35 | TimiDo | that's odd |
| 06:49.50 | golax | who use vdr package? |
| 06:49.54 | lightning | Guerin: did you catch that/ |
| 06:50.09 | golax | who use mplayer for dvb-s? |
| 06:50.26 | Guerin | !anyone use mplayer for dvb-s? |
| 06:50.26 | dpkg | No, no one uses mplayer for dvb-s, not even the people who use it. |
| 06:50.41 | Guerin | lightning: what was I supposed to catch |
| 06:50.41 | Guerin | ? |
| 06:51.25 | TimiDo | streuner: any ideas? |
| 06:51.41 | lightning | 14013 pts/1 S+ 0:00 grep xscreensaver |
| 06:51.43 | lightning | that |
| 06:51.52 | golax | dpkg: no one uses mplayer? |
| 06:51.58 | lightning | golax: i sometimes do |
| 06:52.00 | golax | dpkg: gg |
| 06:52.00 | dpkg | methinks gg is good game |
| 06:52.07 | lightning | golax: use totem in fullscreen with hidden controls |
| 06:52.13 | lightning | totem --toggle-controls |
| 06:52.22 | lightning | launches it with hidden controls |
| 06:52.26 | Guerin | lightning: then xscreensaver isn't running. If you still gets screensavery stuff, it's something else and I have no idea what. |
| 06:52.34 | Guerin | totem is bullshit |
| 06:52.41 | sep | TimiDo, when i ran testing, i used kernel+nvidia stuff from unstable. but i stuck with etch when it released. so i dont know if that is sensible nowadays. |
| 06:52.48 | Guerin | it's just xine or gstreamer with a broken gui |
| 06:53.00 | golax | use mplayer or vlc |
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| 06:53.37 | golax | but totem is a good player, totem is the best player in the gnome project |
| 06:53.55 | lightning | Guerin: this is so confusing to me as to what this could be |
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| 06:54.03 | lightning | gnome-screensaver isn't installed either |
| 06:54.13 | lightning | maybe it's icewm's screen saver? |
| 06:54.16 | lightning | i'll check |
| 06:55.27 | simonrvn | it doesn't have one |
| 06:56.04 | lightning | then what the heck is this? |
| 06:56.12 | lightning | i still have a .xscreensaver file |
| 06:56.23 | Guerin | that's just a config file |
| 06:56.28 | Guerin | delete it if you care |
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| 06:56.50 | lightning | what is a .serverauth file? |
| 06:57.16 | Guerin | lightning: a file used to authenticate at a server |
| 06:57.21 | simonrvn | it's called a dot file it's the config file for a program |
| 06:57.27 | simonrvn | on a per-user basis |
| 06:57.40 | simonrvn | X server to be exact |
| 06:58.02 | lightning | just wanted to make sure it wasn't someone trying to log into my box |
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| 07:00.22 | lightning | so what did grep display that was xscreensaver oriented |
| 07:00.58 | Guerin | lightning: grep |
| 07:01.19 | DawnLight | huh |
| 07:01.21 | lightning | yeah, huh? |
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| 07:01.40 | streuner | TimiDo: i would make a "simple sid backport" first, read the README in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx ones again, before i asking in #beryl |
| 07:02.04 | Guerin | lightning: ps ax |grep foo; displays all running process lines containing `foo' - obviously `grep foo' is one such process line |
| 07:02.26 | lightning | so xscreensaver was a running process |
| 07:02.29 | Guerin | no |
| 07:02.36 | Guerin | `grep xscreensaver' was a running process |
| 07:02.43 | xterm | hello, Im using proftp with mysql support and if I add the home,for example in /home/test , I cant Acces, I only can access if the home is for example /usr/local/test |
| 07:02.53 | Guerin | if `xscreensaver' had been a running process you'd have seen TWO lines |
| 07:03.07 | lightning | okay, thank you |
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| 07:03.38 | Guerin | goddamnit, where is my wife |
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| 07:03.59 | streuner | very well |
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| 07:04.27 | streuner | there is an easy way to find out, telephone |
| 07:04.33 | Guerin | xterm: probably the ftpd doesn';t have permission to read /home/* |
| 07:04.41 | Guerin | streuner: she never answers it |
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| 07:05.12 | Guerin | streuner: and it's a rhetorical question in any case; she's either on the bus or walking from the bus stop to the house |
| 07:06.36 | xterm | yes, it have permissions |
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| 07:13.46 | TiMiDo | hey to play dvds do you need to have special plugins for it.? |
| 07:13.48 | user1_ | what is that command to reconfig a package? |
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| 07:13.56 | tarzeau | user1_: dpkg-reconfigure pkg |
| 07:13.59 | blazemonger | why is it ppl at ubuntu choose debian sid? |
| 07:14.12 | streuner | TiMiDo: no |
| 07:14.16 | tarzeau | blazemonger: for what? ask #ubuntu ? |
| 07:14.16 | Supaplex | blazemonger: ask them not us |
| 07:14.32 | streuner | TiMiDo: read xine FAQ at there website about |
| 07:14.34 | tarzeau | Supaplex: you didn't understand his question |
| 07:14.46 | tarzeau | blazemonger: probably because they want software that ubuntu doesn't have or it's outdated |
| 07:15.22 | Bogus8 | how do I use rsync over ssh with a different port than 22? |
| 07:15.47 | tarzeau | Bogus8: see the -e option |
| 07:15.48 | Supaplex | no really, I'm not involved in ubuntu politics, so why should I care? |
| 07:16.02 | Bogus8 | tarzeau: I did look at it... I'll read it more carefully |
| 07:16.13 | tarzeau | Bogus8: like -e "whatever otherport whatever" |
| 07:16.15 | Supaplex | why did debian invent apt, maybe we shouldn't ask ubuntu. right? |
| 07:16.36 | cast | heh_v_water: you need decss to play dvds, since they're encrypted |
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| 07:19.55 | Shadur | ... |
| 07:20.16 | Shadur | ... Okay, this is getting weird. Can any of you guys resolve a NS record query for schlockmercenary.com ? |
| 07:20.37 | sep | host -t ns schlockmercenary.com |
| 07:20.37 | sep | Host schlockmercenary.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 07:20.40 | wireddd | I can't |
| 07:20.58 | tarzeau | neither, who are the nameservers for it? |
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| 07:22.37 | k-man | why does installing postfix try to remove exim? |
| 07:22.53 | sep | k-man, why do you think ? :) |
| 07:23.11 | k-man | sep, well... i'd like to have both for a while |
| 07:23.12 | sep | k-man, they both provide the same service. use the same network port. |
| 07:23.19 | k-man | until i'm ready to swap |
| 07:23.32 | tarzeau | how can i quickly register a font with fontconfig? |
| 07:23.33 | k-man | sep, but i can manualy configure one to listen on another port can't I? |
| 07:23.34 | sep | k-man, install postfix on a different machine. and swap them when readu |
| 07:23.54 | k-man | ok |
| 07:24.09 | sep | k-man, how many people you think can send mail to your postfix if you run it on a custom port ? it's so pointless it's not supported |
| 07:25.11 | Bogus8 | tarzeau: got it... the part I was overlooking was the qoutes around the options of -e |
| 07:25.14 | Bogus8 | thanks |
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| 07:25.40 | echosystm | is 256mb too small for swap file? |
| 07:25.54 | echosystm | computer only has 128mb ram and 6gb hdd |
| 07:25.56 | echosystm | :/ |
| 07:26.09 | Supaplex | !+info swapd etch |
| 07:26.10 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 07:26.13 | dpkg | swapd: (Swap demon for dynamic swap file creation), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.2-10 (etch), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 70 kB |
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| 07:27.34 | vorpal | unfortunately you will need a swap partition if you want suspend to disk (hibernate) |
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| 07:28.08 | k-man | sep, its not pointless if i want to do it for testing purposes |
| 07:28.16 | k-man | sep and then change the port when I'm ready |
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| 07:31.32 | sep | k-man, but the packages conflict, so not doable with apt (without violating it) you can run postfix in a chroot and use a different port. then copy the config over to main box when it's ready. (i'd use a different box for testing.) |
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| 07:33.40 | k-man | sep, ok, thanks |
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| 07:35.24 | capiira | hmm why i can't boot debian if i plugin a external usb harddrive? |
| 07:35.45 | capiira | system just stops booting |
| 07:35.51 | capiira | and do not continue |
| 07:36.52 | vorpal | make sure the boot device order is correct |
| 07:37.03 | capiira | is not in fstab |
| 07:37.18 | capiira | just pluged in to usb |
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| 07:40.05 | Bogus8 | would rsync retransfer everything if I didn't use the -u option (if I only added a few files to a dir that I was rsyncing and had previously rsynced it?) |
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| 07:42.24 | xand | Bogus8: rsync doesnt copy files that are already there and unchanged on the source if that's what you mean |
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| 07:42.39 | Bogus8 | xand: so what is the -u option for |
| 07:42.45 | Bogus8 | it seems like that is what it does |
| 07:42.57 | xand | no |
| 07:43.12 | xand | that means don't copy files that have been updated on the target |
| 07:43.17 | xand | dont overwrite them |
| 07:43.36 | Bogus8 | ok, I got that also... so it's a good option to use anyway |
| 07:44.13 | Bogus8 | why would it retransfer some files... some have been there for a long time so I know they were synced up last time I ran rsync |
| 07:44.39 | xand | it transfers files that have changed on the source |
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| 07:45.45 | Bogus8 | xand: I missed a sub dir on my target... so it was doing EVERYTHING... my mistake |
| 07:46.42 | Bogus8 | alomst a 35gig mistake ;) |
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| 07:56.45 | tnks | There's a lot of Python package in the repo, but I just learned about Python Eggs, which might allow for packages not in the repo. Is there a standard way to convert Eggs to debs? |
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| 07:57.31 | karsten | Xscreensaver's authentication screen is putting the text "ERROR" next to the password field. Anyone else seeing this? |
| 07:57.36 | karsten | tnks: What are eggs? |
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| 07:58.27 | xand | karsten: see biology 101 ;) |
| 07:58.39 | karsten | xand: Which came first? |
| 07:58.52 | liable | the nugget |
| 07:58.58 | xand | chicken |
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| 07:59.35 | tnks | karsten: Eggs looks like a stab at getting Python closer to CPAN. |
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| 08:00.32 | tnks | I know a little about dh-make-perl |
| 08:00.46 | tnks | I guess it would be neat if some day there was a dh-make-python-egg |
| 08:00.58 | tnks | (if Eggs actually get accepted) |
| 08:01.24 | tnks | right now, Python packaging/distribution seems forked in a few directions. |
| 08:02.34 | harpal | is there any channel for tc? |
| 08:02.51 | karsten | harpal: Tcl? |
| 08:03.20 | harpal | karsten: no tc for traffic control, traffic shaping |
| 08:03.47 | karsten | harpal: FFIKBTESTBMUNAATGA |
| 08:03.59 | liable | @rssi |
| 08:04.13 | liable | bleh |
| 08:04.19 | karsten | (fuck if I know, but everyone seems to be making up new acronyms as they go along) |
| 08:04.30 | karsten | harpal: /msg chanserve list *pattern* |
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| 08:05.37 | harpal | thanx karsten, there is no channel like that |
| 08:06.35 | user1_ | what is that command to upgrade kernel? |
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| 08:07.30 | metbsd | what is that command to upgrade to most stable kernel? im enough of the kernel panic |
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| 08:08.00 | cydork | tnks: google for easy-deb, i never tried it my self though. |
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| 08:09.37 | Bogus8 | what does the apt script in /etc/cron.daily/ do exactly? |
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| 08:13.05 | tnks | cydork: interesting... I guess that's what I was thinking about. |
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| 08:17.32 | cydork | tnks: though it's not been updated in sometime. |
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| 08:18.46 | Bogus8 | what is the best way to have your system auto update ... like redhat has yum-nightly |
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| 08:19.30 | Bogus8 | or nightly-yum... whatever it is |
| 08:19.34 | liable | apt-cron |
| 08:19.39 | themill | Bogus8: cron-apt is pretty nice. or there is update-manager |
| 08:20.25 | Bogus8 | cron-apt it would be as this is a headless server |
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| 08:25.34 | tnks | does anyone know why python-support and python-central aren't unified? |
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| 08:28.19 | tnks | hmmm... I guess this explains a little of it. |
| 08:28.21 | tnks | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy |
| 08:28.38 | tnks | " Either tool should support any package; maintainers should choose the tool with the interface that they prefer." |
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| 08:40.18 | tnks | cydork: okay... I don't think easy-deb is going to take off. |
| 08:40.35 | tnks | it looks like a Google SoC project that doesn't have the political momentum. |
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| 08:41.39 | Growly|Work | !dpkg vmstat |
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| 08:42.04 | N`Kr1pt | How can I change my gpg passphrase? the option --change-passphrase doesn't exist |
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| 08:43.28 | sep | N`Kr1pt, i hope you dont want to change it becouse your secret key have been compromised ? :) |
| 08:44.57 | simonrvn | Growly|Work: ! is already asking dpkg, might want to leave the 'dpkg ' off |
| 08:45.09 | sep | N`Kr1pt, you may try something like gnupg --edit-key [key] passwd |
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| 08:45.57 | Growly|Work | !vmstat |
| 08:46.06 | Growly|Work | i should lurk more often, huh?> |
| 08:46.14 | canburak | hi, i'm trying nfs4 with kerberos and getting a weird error like gss_kerberos_mech: unsupported algorithm 6. google helps for algo 23 but not for 6. |
| 08:46.16 | simonrvn | *grin* |
| 08:46.50 | simonrvn | Growly|Work: /msg dpkg listkeys (or listvals) vmstat will do a search on values or keys of factoids |
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| 08:47.41 | Growly|Work | aha! |
| 08:47.42 | Growly|Work | no results |
| 08:47.44 | Growly|Work | cheers. |
| 08:47.50 | Growly|Work | google i suppose |
| 08:47.51 | Growly|Work | sigh |
| 08:48.08 | simonrvn | Growly|Work: are you lookin for the package it's in? |
| 08:48.13 | simonrvn | looking* |
| 08:48.15 | Growly|Work | sysstat |
| 08:48.18 | Growly|Work | yes i was |
| 08:48.30 | simonrvn | !find bin/vmstat |
| 08:48.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/vmstat' (1): (/usr/bin/vmstat) in admin/procps. |
| 08:48.43 | Growly|Work | shut up |
| 08:48.44 | Growly|Work | :p |
| 08:48.46 | Growly|Work | hahha |
| 08:48.49 | simonrvn | bot's telling me it's updating its index |
| 08:49.09 | simonrvn | there ya go ;) |
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| 08:49.49 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 08:49.54 | simonrvn | @find bin/vmstat |
| 08:50.04 | simonrvn | meh |
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| 08:51.53 | N`Kr1pt | sep, thx, it hasn't been compromised, I think it's just a dumb passphrase :p |
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| 08:53.18 | simonrvn | @find bin/vmstat |
| 08:53.29 | yixuan | hello, do you know freenode has suse group? |
| 08:53.42 | yixuan | which channel, thanks... |
| 08:53.44 | simonrvn | try /join #suse |
| 08:54.04 | N`Kr1pt | of /join #microsoft |
| 08:54.04 | N`Kr1pt | ^^ |
| 08:54.07 | yixuan | simonrvn, thanks |
| 08:54.15 | tapas | i wonder: is it possible to install files into a different "root" than / via apt? |
| 08:54.20 | tapas | e.g. ~/local/ |
| 08:55.02 | simonrvn | there's a rootdir option to dpkg IIRC, dunno if you can do that with apt |
| 08:55.15 | tapas | ah i see |
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| 08:55.43 | tapas | simonrvn: thanks |
| 08:55.47 | simonrvn | np |
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| 09:23.32 | irwiss | Hi, running debian sid, yesterday I did half-weekly upgrade and today xorg crashes with 'caught signal 11' message, is it something I've messed up or is anyone else had this also? |
| 09:23.52 | irwiss | That is, xorg with nvidia |
| 09:24.13 | simonrvn | workie here, nvidia driver too |
| 09:24.25 | simonrvn | been updting daily too |
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| 09:26.03 | ab3l | hi there's a tool to edit a squashfs file without mounting it ? |
| 09:26.05 | metbsd | how do i review the booting message after reboot? |
| 09:26.20 | recyard | dmesg |
| 09:26.34 | irwiss | Hmm... Anything I could do to diagnose this? It just fails with Backtrace 0: X(xf86SigHandler+0x81) [0x80c8631]\n1: [0xb7f44420] and the message about the signal in the logs |
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| 09:27.39 | irwiss | And everything that uses more graphics than gnome segfaults :\ |
| 09:27.54 | irwiss | That is, with nv driver |
| 09:28.05 | themill | irwiss: latest xorg with nvidia is pants, afaik. (don't use it myself, but the irc logs from about 12 hours ago might have some more details) |
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| 09:28.31 | themill | irwiss: there was some discussion of it here |
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| 09:29.12 | irwiss | I don't suppose you have those logs/available somewhere I can see them? |
| 09:30.01 | irwiss | Hmm... I'll try vesa... Don't really need speed, just need it to work for now |
| 09:30.02 | themill | irwiss: ircarchive.info/debian/ |
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| 09:31.37 | jetscreamer | kernel |
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| 09:31.50 | jetscreamer | .20 & .21 |
| 09:31.54 | o2T7 | hi |
| 09:32.15 | o2T7 | Is there any way of searching among the dpkg bot's topics ? |
| 09:32.18 | irwiss | themill; Only up to 20th may there :( Thanks anyway, I'll have to run away soon, will tackle with this later |
| 09:32.24 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 09:32.24 | dpkg | somebody said search was try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 09:32.56 | o2T7 | thanks |
| 09:34.08 | ab3l | hi there's a tool to edit a squashfs file without mounting it ? |
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| 09:36.35 | themill | jetscreamer: but when it tells you that it's only showing the first few keys, how do you find the rest of them? (and do you know of any documentation for the bot?) |
| 09:37.47 | jetscreamer | supposedly you do it again quick and it gives the others, but i can't tell |
| 09:37.59 | jetscreamer | !what are you |
| 09:37.59 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 09:38.01 | jetscreamer | !blootbot |
| 09:38.02 | dpkg | methinks blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl, or http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot, or the latest svn has pgsql support. |
| 09:38.06 | jetscreamer | all i know |
| 09:38.49 | themill | jetscreamer: thanks! a name for the beast is at least a good start :) |
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| 09:41.29 | jetscreamer | how do i turn the damn hd off |
| 09:41.45 | jetscreamer | s/the/a/ |
| 09:42.06 | jetscreamer | this libata seems to aggravate my failing drive |
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| 09:44.05 | streuner | unplug it? |
| 09:44.15 | streuner | umount it and throw it into trash? |
| 09:44.39 | jetscreamer | i just want to power it down |
| 09:45.05 | jetscreamer | it only seems to bork under linux for some weird reason |
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| 09:45.09 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 09:45.16 | streuner | well, open the box and unplug it |
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| 09:45.40 | streuner | jetscreamer: what kernel? |
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| 09:45.41 | jetscreamer | i don't want to do that, i want to be able to power it down via cli |
| 09:45.42 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 09:45.55 | jetscreamer | 2.6.22-2-k7 iirc.. oh |
| 09:46.02 | jetscreamer | 2.6.22-1-k7 |
| 09:46.16 | gypsymauro | I've an error copiing a file "cp: cannot stat `foo': Input/output error" how I can check the failure of this command in a bash script? |
| 09:46.32 | sobersabre | guys, I need help with choosing information system. ( issues/tickets, resource booking, knowledge system, ldap integration, groups, acl ) |
| 09:46.40 | themill | gypsymauro: $? |
| 09:46.42 | sobersabre | where do you think is the best place to look for it ? |
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| 09:47.01 | jetscreamer | should i spam the search factoid again :) |
| 09:47.18 | sobersabre | (I've checked up several pluggable CMS's, like plone, typo3 etc. ) |
| 09:47.19 | gypsymauro | themill: uhm google doesn't helps me with that string:) |
| 09:47.26 | themill | sobersabre: I use mantis for this. Not sure about ldap integration though. |
| 09:47.30 | themill | gypsymauro: man bash |
| 09:47.31 | gypsymauro | it returns 0 entries:) |
| 09:47.56 | sobersabre | themill: does mantis support several ( separated ) projects ? |
| 09:48.10 | streuner | jetscreamer: what does smartmon say about? |
| 09:48.14 | sobersabre | (hmm... tired of reading the CMS homepages ) |
| 09:48.36 | themill | sobersabre: yes. I've not pushed it's capabilities though. sf.net or freshmeat are good places to go digging for other possibilities. |
| 09:48.47 | jetscreamer | i try to avoid installing smartmontools ... i forget why. it can do it? |
| 09:48.51 | sobersabre | themill: thanks, will look at it. |
| 09:49.09 | streuner | jetscreamer: analyse it its a hardware issue better |
| 09:49.10 | themill | sobersabre: and the code for mantis looks pretty nice and php auth with ldap is fairly easy so you could add an ldap login for them fairly easily.... they'll probably say thank you :) |
| 09:49.14 | jetscreamer | i get no smart errors ... i do get the 'click of death' and error 0x51 or something... it's dying. |
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| 09:49.25 | streuner | o_O |
| 09:49.27 | jetscreamer | streuner: it is the hd |
| 09:49.30 | jetscreamer | that is bad |
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| 09:49.44 | jetscreamer | i just want to save it as much as possible, stretch it |
| 09:49.50 | streuner | warranty? |
| 09:49.52 | jetscreamer | flame off! |
| 09:49.57 | jetscreamer | nah old old hd |
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| 09:50.20 | streuner | there is a little tool call gnu restore or such |
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| 09:50.35 | themill | gypsymauro: the magic words are exit status. |
| 09:50.48 | jetscreamer | just has xp on it, and i have a clone of it so it's nothing major.. i jus todn't want to have to remove the drive when it dies all the way because the grub (hd) count will get messed up |
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| 09:51.02 | jetscreamer | if i don't replace it or edit |
| 09:51.05 | jetscreamer | i'm lazy |
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| 09:51.57 | jetscreamer | plus, everytime i go into the case i want a new case |
| 09:52.06 | liable | heh |
| 09:52.07 | jetscreamer | and wanna rip everything out |
| 09:52.50 | jetscreamer | i wanna put one on like a 3d chess board |
| 09:53.21 | jetscreamer | for a case |
| 09:53.42 | jetscreamer | 'cue start trek theme' |
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| 09:55.14 | sjkwizard | hi, i have to install a analog modem 56k and i don't have access to internet from linux. how can i install it? |
| 09:56.00 | jetscreamer | is it supported is the first question |
| 09:56.08 | jetscreamer | !modem |
| 09:56.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, modem is (Modulator/Demodulator) A device to turn digital signals to analog ones and back again, so they can be transmitted and translated back to digital at another modem without loss. Used for communication through means of audio, telephone, CB, etc. <REPLY> suck |
| 09:56.12 | comsa | internal or external modem |
| 09:56.13 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 09:56.29 | jetscreamer | linuxmodems.org iirc |
| 09:56.44 | sjkwizard | yes i think |
| 09:56.47 | jetscreamer | for the list |
| 09:56.50 | sjkwizard | 3com us robotics |
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| 09:56.58 | comsa | debian pppconfig |
| 09:57.14 | sjkwizard | external |
| 09:57.18 | jetscreamer | !ppp |
| 09:57.18 | dpkg | hmm... ppp is the Point-to-Point Protocol for connecting to the Internet using a modem, or look at http://axion.physics.ubc.ca/ppp-linux.html for an article on "how to hook up ppp in Linux" -- PAP/CHAP stuff included. ask me about "ppp on windows" |
| 09:57.25 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 09:57.45 | streuner | sjkwizard: installing via dialup is a PITA |
| 09:57.59 | sjkwizard | what is pita? |
| 09:58.05 | streuner | !pita |
| 09:58.05 | dpkg | methinks pita is pain in the ass or whats usually for supper :) |
| 09:58.33 | sjkwizard | ok |
| 09:58.47 | streuner | sjkwizard: best thing would be, just buy the DVD's of etch/stable |
| 09:59.03 | jetscreamer | or d/l it somewhere with a fast connect |
| 09:59.04 | sjkwizard | i have to install that modem so later i can install wifi card i can connect to adsl... |
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| 09:59.21 | streuner | hm |
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| 09:59.52 | streuner | basically you need wvdial, ppp is in the kernel enabled... |
| 10:00.02 | sjkwizard | ok |
| 10:00.07 | sjkwizard | i try to install wvdial |
| 10:00.14 | streuner | !info wvdial |
| 10:00.19 | dpkg | wvdial: (PPP dialer with built-in intelligence), section comm, is optional. Version: 1.56-1.2 (sid), Packaged size: 93 kB, Installed size: 224 kB |
| 10:00.31 | sjkwizard | but when i install it i try to download 6 other packages but i don't have access to internet |
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| 10:00.52 | Guerin | sjkwizard: so don't use wvdial |
| 10:01.00 | sjkwizard | yes |
| 10:01.08 | sjkwizard | so i try with pppconfig? |
| 10:01.09 | streuner | !depends wvdial |
| 10:01.13 | dpkg | wvdial: depends on ppp (>= 2.3.0), debconf (>= 0.5.00) | cdebconf, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libuniconf4.2, libwvstreams4.2-base, libwvstreams4.2-extras, libxplc0.3.13 |
| 10:01.16 | streuner | thats another option |
| 10:01.16 | jetscreamer | d/l those |
| 10:01.32 | jetscreamer | !depends wvdial etch |
| 10:01.36 | dpkg | wvdial: depends on ppp (>= 2.3.0), debconf (>= 0.5.00) | cdebconf, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libuniconf4.2, libwvstreams4.2-base, libwvstreams4.2-extras, libxplc0.3.13 |
| 10:01.37 | Guerin | sjkwizard: pppconfig is the config program - if you have ppp you should be good to go |
| 10:01.43 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 10:01.45 | jetscreamer | !pdo |
| 10:01.45 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 10:01.52 | jetscreamer | and d/l them |
| 10:02.04 | jetscreamer | nn |
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| 10:06.06 | liable | sjkwizard: can you run pppconfig? |
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| 10:15.00 | microtux | hi |
| 10:15.43 | microtux | the directory /etc/sysconfig doesn't exist on my debian Sarge. what to do? |
| 10:16.31 | themill | microtux: /etc/sysconfig is a redhat/fedora thing. It doesn't exist in debian. |
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| 10:17.30 | themill | microtux: what are you trying to do? |
| 10:18.07 | microtux | themill, i have a script supposed to run on redhat |
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| 10:18.31 | microtux | themill, it calls the file /etc/sysconfig/network |
| 10:18.47 | microtux | themill, what's its equivalent on Debian? |
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| 10:19.28 | microtux | themill, and if you have a solution for this "/etc/rc.d/init.d/functions" i'll be thankfull!! |
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| 10:19.49 | themill | microtux: debian uses a completely different way of configuring the network interfaces. /etc/network/interfaces is the config file (man 5 interfaces) |
| 10:19.50 | deb_usr | hi there ! |
| 10:20.35 | DawnLight | hi hi |
| 10:20.41 | microtux | themill, i know |
| 10:20.43 | liable | where is .ma? |
| 10:20.55 | deb_usr | ma = morocco |
| 10:20.57 | microtux | themill, so i should see the differences and fix them by han?? |
| 10:20.59 | liable | ah |
| 10:21.02 | microtux | themill, right? |
| 10:21.26 | deb_usr | i have a problem to configure a user account |
| 10:21.35 | liable | you should upgrade to etch, then you can *probably* use rclocal |
| 10:21.35 | deb_usr | i added a user |
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| 10:21.47 | DawnLight | microtux: pehaps the differences are too great |
| 10:22.08 | deb_usr | but when playing music the system told le that my card is not correctly configured |
| 10:22.24 | microtux | DawnLight, i don't think so |
| 10:22.28 | deb_usr | my card worked with other users !!! |
| 10:22.29 | themill | microtux: you might have a fair amount of reworking of the script to do. |
| 10:22.43 | deb_usr | shoul i add the user to audio group ?? |
| 10:22.49 | DawnLight | deb_usr: what do you mean by "the system"? |
| 10:22.49 | liable | deb_usr: is said user in audio group? |
| 10:23.18 | deb_usr | the music application (xmms) |
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| 10:23.46 | zecrazytux | deb_usr: do you use esd ? |
| 10:23.47 | DawnLight | deb_usr: the command groups tells you which groups you are in |
| 10:24.09 | microtux | themill, it's just 45 lines; |
| 10:24.11 | zecrazytux | deb_usr: which plugin are you using in xmms ? |
| 10:24.25 | deb_usr | the user is just in the same user group name |
| 10:24.38 | microtux | themill, but i need the file "/etc/rc.d/init.d/functions" |
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| 10:25.01 | deb_usr | zecrazytux : how to know that ? |
| 10:25.01 | DawnLight | does anyone know how to make a guest account in debian? any built in way? |
| 10:25.04 | themill | microtux: what are the functions in that file that are actually used? |
| 10:25.05 | microtux | themill, on RedHat it exists i guess. But on Debian |
| 10:25.17 | microtux | themill, i don't know |
| 10:25.49 | microtux | themill, the line . /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions reutrns an error |
| 10:25.57 | deb_usr | themill, in debian, it isn't created bu default |
| 10:26.02 | themill | microtux: /lib/lsb/init-functions *might* be the replacement how |
| 10:26.05 | microtux | themill, it can't find the script |
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| 10:26.15 | themill | microtux: s/how/now/ |
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| 10:26.22 | microtux | themill, i'll check right now; |
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| 10:27.05 | themill | microtux: it might be easier to remove that source line (. /etc/....) and see what functions your script barfs on and then look for the replacements. |
| 10:27.13 | deb_usr | how to add a user to audio group ?? |
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| 10:27.32 | streuner | adduser <user> audio |
| 10:27.33 | deb_usr | .? |
| 10:27.35 | zecrazytux | deb_usr, in xmms's preferences |
| 10:27.38 | microtux | themill, good idea |
| 10:28.43 | deb_usr | zecrazytux : the xmms works good from root |
| 10:28.47 | themill | !tell deb_usr about group |
| 10:29.09 | zecrazytux_lunch | deb_usr: so ? xmms's prefs are different for each users |
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| 10:29.33 | zecrazytux_lunch | tell xmms to use alsa if you are using alsa without esd |
| 10:29.57 | zecrazytux_lunch | maybe that's not the problem, but you should first check |
| 10:29.58 | freetos_ | if i use encryption with my netgear router, will the people be able to connect without doing anything special? |
| 10:30.10 | erik2066 | what is a good DVD burning prog, one that does not mind directory structures that are deeper than 6 ? GNOME Baker doesn't hack it... |
| 10:30.10 | deb_usr | zecrazytux : libsong_change.so libjoy.so libir.so |
| 10:30.26 | zecrazytux_lunch | deb_usr: output plugin ? |
| 10:30.28 | Kevin` | freetos_ connect to wireless you mean? or encryption for what |
| 10:30.29 | zecrazytux_lunch | alsa or esd ? |
| 10:30.31 | zecrazytux_lunch | or oss |
| 10:30.50 | freetos_ | Kevin`, connecting wirelessely |
| 10:31.01 | eljo__ | is it possible to migrate /var to a different partition while everything is running? |
| 10:31.22 | Kevin` | freetos_ they will need to know the encryption key (or have a valid login, or certificate, or however authentication is performed) |
| 10:31.34 | deb_usr | zecrazytux : libtonegen.so libcdaudio.so libmpg123.so libmikmod.so libvorbis.so libwav.so |
| 10:31.35 | eljo__ | it's getting a little cramped in there, but i'm kinda afraid of /var/log |
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| 10:32.28 | eljo__ | and i don't have the luxury of rebooting to e.g. knoppix to do it |
| 10:32.38 | freetos_ | Kevin`, right now i use no encyrption with it and ppl can connect easily, i was wondering if that would change if i used encyrption |
| 10:33.18 | Kevin` | freetos_ it would |
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| 10:33.33 | asarch | Hi everyone, how is it getting along? |
| 10:33.37 | asarch | How's the weather? |
| 10:33.48 | asarch | Hey guys, what do you think about aptsh? |
| 10:33.57 | Kevin` | freetos_ the whole point of it is usually to keep someone from connecting or viewing traffic in the air |
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| 10:34.26 | Kevin` | freetos_ what would you be using it for? |
| 10:34.49 | freetos_ | Kevin`, just sharing my internet connection with my neighbors |
| 10:35.05 | Kevin` | freetos_ well, they would need to know the key then, of course |
| 10:35.07 | DawnLight | i like that asarch. very warm of you. precious thing here, in ascii land :-). i don't know what aptsh is |
| 10:35.28 | deb_usr | THE OUTPUT PLUGINS ARE : libALSA.so libdisk_writer.so libesdout.so libOSS.so |
| 10:37.07 | DawnLight | friends, i can't find it in google. is there a debian way of creating a guest account? |
| 10:37.08 | jelly-home | !info aptsh |
| 10:37.10 | dpkg | aptsh: (apt interactive shell), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.0.7+b2 (sid), Packaged size: 72 kB, Installed size: 184 kB |
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| 10:38.21 | DawnLight | group |
| 10:38.47 | Kevin` | DawnLight a normal user account in linux has about the privalages of a "guest", but there are a few things you should be careful about, since there are ways to crash the computer as a normal user and some annoying programs like gnome that like to allow shutdowns and stuff |
| 10:39.34 | asarch | !info aptsh |
| 10:39.35 | dpkg | aptsh: (apt interactive shell), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.0.7+b2 (sid), Packaged size: 72 kB, Installed size: 184 kB |
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| 10:39.47 | asarch | That's all? |
| 10:39.49 | asarch | Mmmm... |
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| 10:40.16 | Kevin` | pong |
| 10:40.21 | themill | what controls the fonts used by a tk/tcl program? |
| 10:40.24 | kombi | to make a device bootable with grub: root (device,0) & setup device, correct? |
| 10:40.51 | Kevin` | kombi if the grub files are on ,0, yes |
| 10:40.56 | Kevin` | and (device) |
| 10:40.59 | streuner | BadDeviL: that was a bad idea |
| 10:41.17 | DawnLight | Kevin': i think a guest account should reset its application settings and delete all files on logout. something like restoring a certain image to /home/guest |
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| 10:41.37 | Kevin` | DawnLight ah, I see |
| 10:42.31 | kombi | Kevin:`: a disk failed on md, now the other one won't boot.. |
| 10:43.12 | Kevin` | kombi ok, that doesn't change the command |
| 10:43.22 | Kevin` | kombi probably should have thought about it before now though :D |
| 10:43.25 | DawnLight | perhaps i'll write the scripts and make a package :) |
| 10:44.17 | Kevin` | DawnLight cool. I can see some uses for that |
| 10:44.44 | Kevin` | DawnLight although it's possible someone already did it and it's just not well known. might look at stuff designed for kiosk use |
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| 10:45.50 | Kevin` | hey, is anyone aware of a very small (physical size) network attached storage device? |
| 10:46.30 | Kevin` | preferably something that either runs linux or isn't cifs-centric |
| 10:46.33 | kombi | If with grub root (hd0,0) one gets an answer and setup (hd0) ends with "succeeded", why might the thing still not boot? |
| 10:46.54 | petemc | Kevin`: nslu2 |
| 10:47.11 | Kevin` | petemc isn't that about the size of a hard drive or bigger? |
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| 10:47.30 | petemc | Kevin`: yes |
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| 10:47.37 | Kevin` | not small enough :D |
| 10:48.16 | Kevin` | actually. |
| 10:48.33 | Kevin` | something with a CPU, memory, flash rom, ethernet port, and usb host port, would work nicely |
| 10:48.36 | Kevin` | anything like that exist? |
| 10:48.38 | petemc | if you dont want to use hard disks, expect to pay lots of money for not too much storage |
| 10:48.59 | lolercaust | rosebud |
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| 10:49.18 | Kevin` | lolercaust disambiguate please |
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| 10:49.23 | Kevin` | rosebud doesn't google well |
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| 10:49.57 | lolercaust | :? |
| 10:50.07 | DawnLight | Kevin': thats a little more then a storage device. that sounds like a palmtop |
| 10:50.07 | Kevin` | why did you say rosebud |
| 10:50.16 | DawnLight | ` |
| 10:50.22 | Kevin` | DawnLight it doesn't need a screen or keyboard or anything.. |
| 10:50.48 | lolercaust | i have no clue |
| 10:50.59 | lolercaust | do you have the money? |
| 10:50.59 | Kevin` | something with an SD or CF slot instead of usb would work nicely too |
| 10:51.18 | themill | !lart lolercaust |
| 10:51.27 | Kevin` | lolercaust sure, where do you want to make the exchange? |
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| 10:51.48 | deb_usr | hi there |
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| 10:52.09 | deb_usr | i have resolved the problem by just closing the session and relogin |
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| 10:56.22 | daya | what is the download link for latest debian edu, |
| 10:56.35 | subx | when i first built my server i could ssh into the box instantly, now when i try and SSH in there is a 5-10 second delay before the password prompt comes up, what causes the delay? |
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| 10:56.57 | Kevin` | subx most common cause is dns lookups I think |
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| 10:57.16 | subx | ok ill take a look, i do have bind9 running for my LAN on that server |
| 10:57.26 | Kevin` | specifically reverse dns |
| 10:57.50 | petemc | subx: ssh -vvv user@host , if that doesnt show anything, on the server run /usr/sbin/sshd -ddd -p 2222 |
| 10:57.53 | subx | ill go through all the DNS settings with a fine tooth brush |
| 10:58.08 | themill | daya: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Download ( |
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| 10:59.16 | Kevin` | subx testing resolving times would be enough |
| 10:59.36 | Kevin` | what's debien edu |
| 10:59.49 | subx | the -vvv option on ssh is very interesting |
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| 11:02.49 | themill | !tell Kevin`about debian edu |
| 11:02.55 | themill | !tell Kevin` about debian edu |
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| 11:03.30 | Kevin` | educational scenarios like classes about linux administration, or what? :) |
| 11:03.47 | themill | for classroom use |
| 11:03.55 | themill | as well as staff room and back office |
| 11:04.23 | Kevin` | so not teaching about computers specifically |
| 11:04.25 | themill | much of the work started out in skolelinux, which iirc, offers a pretty good terminal server setup |
| 11:04.35 | DawnLight | well, i can't find a package that has scripts for making a kiosk account. i've just thought of a simple way to do this. a script that, upon logout removes the guest user and its home and then creates a new guest user. would that work? |
| 11:05.04 | Kevin` | DawnLight why not just remove the files in the directory, no need to recreate the account.. |
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| 11:05.33 | asarch | How do you remove orphans packages from aptsh shell? |
| 11:05.48 | asarch | I can't pipe its resultos to 'remove' command :( |
| 11:05.49 | Kevin` | DawnLight there's one problem with that though, logout from What? bash? gnome? |
| 11:06.03 | DawnLight | Kevin`: when you create a user, is the home directory empty? |
| 11:06.17 | DawnLight | *after |
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| 11:06.31 | petemc | asarch: pipe them to a file then read in that file? |
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| 11:06.40 | Kevin` | DawnLight I think there's usually a few files put there, but it CAN be empty, yes |
| 11:06.50 | asarch | orphans > orphans_file |
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| 11:06.57 | asarch | Mmmm... |
| 11:07.17 | asarch | .cat orphan_files ...? |
| 11:07.18 | Kevin` | kwzs:/home/guest# ls -a |
| 11:07.18 | Kevin` | . .. .bash_logout .bash_profile .bashrc |
| 11:07.30 | themill | Kevin`: I just added some more to that factoid on debian edu.... better now? |
| 11:07.30 | themill | !tell Kevin` about debian edu |
| 11:08.00 | Kevin` | sure.. |
| 11:08.27 | themill | good :) |
| 11:08.47 | petemc | asarch: cat file |xargs apt-get remove |
| 11:08.57 | asarch | From aptsh? |
| 11:09.06 | petemc | asarch: i have no idea what aptsh is |
| 11:09.50 | asarch | http://aptsh.berlios.de/doku/Wikka/HomePage |
| 11:09.54 | asarch | Take a look |
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| 11:12.20 | asarch | petemc: apt-get install aptsh |
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| 11:20.23 | Hammar | if modprobe tries to load modules out of /lib/modules/2.6.21_2_amd64/ while they actually are at /lib/modules/2.6.21-2-amd64...what should i do? |
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| 11:23.13 | abrotman | does depmod -a fix that ? |
| 11:23.27 | abrotman | you could also make a symlink |
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| 11:23.57 | limpio_ | hi all, W: GPG error: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) |
| 11:24.16 | limpio_ | is there something i have to install? |
| 11:24.18 | abrotman | did you install debian-archive-keyring ? and then aptitude update ? |
| 11:24.27 | Hammar | oh, well, the path to the module is correct now, but i still get the (new) error: no such device |
| 11:24.57 | limpio_ | abrotman, no . i'll do it thx |
| 11:25.56 | limpio_ | abrotman, it says it's the newest version |
| 11:26.51 | tarzeau | how can i get only the first character of a string in shell? |
| 11:27.05 | cast | hmm |
| 11:27.11 | cast | awk might be one way |
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| 11:27.36 | cast | i was thinking cut too |
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| 11:28.58 | abrotman | !apt-key 6070D3A1 |
| 11:28.59 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1 ; gpg --export 6070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -; |
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| 11:29.03 | abrotman | limpio_: ^^ |
| 11:29.14 | abrotman | tarzeau: cut |
| 11:31.24 | themill | tarzeau: there's some nice bits in bash too... ${parameter:0:1} IIRC |
| 11:31.30 | themill | tarzeau: man bash :) |
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| 11:31.57 | petemc | FOO=qwerty ; echo ${FOO:0:1} |
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| 11:32.15 | luigi__ | abrotman, i got kicked out, did you have any other ideas about the GPG ring, it's already the new version |
| 11:32.26 | abrotman | !apt-key 6070D3A1 |
| 11:32.27 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1 ; gpg --export 6070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 11:32.49 | tarzeau | themill: i don't want $SHELL specific stuff |
| 11:32.52 | tarzeau | themill: but thanks |
| 11:33.31 | MangosDebian | !apt-key =~ s/;$// |
| 11:33.32 | dpkg | MangosDebian: i didn't have anything called 'apt-key' to modify |
| 11:33.43 | MangosDebian | :/ |
| 11:33.55 | abrotman | MangosDebian: it's there intentionally |
| 11:34.09 | MangosDebian | explain |
| 11:34.18 | abrotman | it doesn't hurt anything to leave it there |
| 11:34.20 | MangosDebian | ahh forgot the cmd: thingy |
| 11:35.30 | MangosDebian | be damned if I remember the exact format for that of course |
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| 11:36.41 | DawnLight | abrotman: do you know of a package/script/etc to make a guest account? |
| 11:36.42 | abrotman | still doesn't matter :) |
| 11:36.49 | abrotman | DawnLight: guest account for what ? |
| 11:36.53 | cast | abrotman: so why is it there intentionally? |
| 11:36.58 | DawnLight | like a guest user |
| 11:37.01 | abrotman | it's not there accidentally |
| 11:37.06 | abrotman | DawnLight: adduser ? |
| 11:37.11 | MangosDebian | cast: he's just being stubborn, leave it be ;) |
| 11:37.39 | abrotman | there's no reason to take it out .. if you want it out .. i'll remove it |
| 11:37.44 | deb_usr | con someone tell me what is the meaning of "etc", "var" ?? |
| 11:37.51 | deb_usr | can someone tell me what is the meaning of "etc", "var" ?? |
| 11:38.04 | cast | deb_usr: nope. go read google, and wikipedia |
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| 11:38.10 | abrotman | you can end every command on your system with a ';' if you want |
| 11:38.11 | abrotman | ls; |
| 11:38.20 | tralala | I want ls;;;; |
| 11:38.26 | abrotman | so do it! |
| 11:38.32 | tralala | ls;;;; |
| 11:38.36 | abrotman | hehe |
| 11:38.42 | tralala | ;) |
| 11:38.42 | cast | alias ls='ls;;;; |
| 11:38.47 | cast | ' would be annoying |
| 11:39.09 | MangosDebian | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.09 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'apt-key (cmd: *)' to modify, MangosDebian |
| 11:39.14 | MangosDebian | ;P |
| 11:39.22 | luigi__ | abrotman, it didn't work but thx anyway :) |
| 11:39.36 | abrotman | !apt-key MangosDebian |
| 11:39.37 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys MangosDebian ; gpg --export MangosDebian | sudo apt-key add - |
| 11:39.38 | abrotman | happy ? |
| 11:39.38 | MangosDebian | good thing that was wrong, meant to not do it anyways, but apparently spaces dont count hehe |
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| 11:39.49 | abrotman | luigi__: run apt-get update |
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| 11:40.05 | MangosDebian | no, i want it back cause you said it was there for a reason! heh |
| 11:40.12 | abrotman | no .. i said it wasn't an accident |
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| 11:40.29 | luigi__ | abrotman, i did right afterwards, no joy |
| 11:40.32 | abrotman | and it wasn't wrong |
| 11:40.39 | abrotman | luigi__: apt-key list .. do you see the key ? |
| 11:40.41 | tralala | !start ; war |
| 11:40.42 | abrotman | as root |
| 11:40.43 | MangosDebian | what is the syntax anyways? (cmdL: $*)? |
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| 11:40.53 | DawnLight | !abrotman |
| 11:40.53 | dpkg | i guess abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?", or known for his often misinterpreted sense of humour |
| 11:40.55 | abrotman | MangosDebian: your bot-fu sucks :) |
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| 11:41.05 | tralala | !listkeys apt-key |
| 11:41.07 | MangosDebian | i know, im slacking in my old age hehe |
| 11:41.07 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'apt-key' by key (7): #debian secure-testing-master apt-key ;; #debian-bots secure-testing-master apt-key ;; _default secure-testing-master apt-key ;; apt-key secure-testing-master ;; secure-testing-master apt-key ;; apt-key-auto ;; cmd: apt-key (.*?). |
| 11:41.11 | abrotman | ah .. thank god that calendar poll got hacked |
| 11:41.13 | abrotman | cracked |
| 11:41.14 | MangosDebian | ahh thats it, ty |
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| 11:41.25 | luigi__ | abrotman, yes i do |
| 11:41.36 | abrotman | luigi__: shouldn't be a problem then |
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| 11:41.51 | luigi__ | abrotman, ok thx a lot |
| 11:41.53 | waqjan | apt-get update seems to have stopped downloading lists of new and updated packages |
| 11:42.00 | fasta | I get: server certificate verification error: self signed certificate in certificate chain (ends up in my logs because of fetchmail connecting to an imaps server where something with the certificates is not OK) |
| 11:42.12 | abrotman | luigi__: apt-get update and aptitude update should reread the list of keys |
| 11:42.20 | abrotman | waqjan: try another mirror |
| 11:42.23 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 11:42.23 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 11:42.34 | Hammar | speedstep_centrino: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted. (from dmesg...why's that?) |
| 11:42.41 | waqjan | !apt-setup |
| 11:42.41 | dpkg | apt-setup is probably a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. no longer available in etch and later since base-config was removed, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html. Gone from etch and sid. |
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| 11:44.27 | abrotman | apt-setup is gone |
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| 11:52.11 | asarch | See you later guys |
| 11:52.24 | asarch | Have a nice day and happy hacking!!! |
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| 11:52.42 | syntaxx | i installed cups + samba in debian etch and managed it to work except when a normal user pause their queue im having operation not permitted, access denied anyone know how to fix it? |
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| 11:55.45 | Oins | Hi, can anyone help me with ssh? I can only download via sftp with 120 KB/s. What could be the reason for this slow rate? The connection itself should be fast enough. |
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| 11:56.23 | waqjan | Oins: how does sftp speed compare to regular ftp speed? |
| 11:56.32 | Alexander | ? |
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| 11:57.20 | tralala | sftp has encryption overhead so if the network is fully utilized it will be a bit slower |
| 11:58.24 | Oins | but normally i have 1.2 MB/s from this machine (with http) |
| 11:58.44 | Oins | only sftp is such slow |
| 11:58.56 | tralala | http to the same remote host? |
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| 11:59.42 | abrotman | Oins: does either mahcine have a slow CPU ? |
| 11:59.43 | Oins | yes... host and client are the same |
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| 12:00.17 | syntaxx | i installed cups + samba in debian etch and managed it to work except when a normal user pause their queue im having operation not permitted, access denied anyone know how to fix it? |
| 12:00.41 | abrotman | syntaxx: did you ask #samba .. check your logs? |
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| 12:02.14 | syntaxx | abrotman: i did check my samba logs but doesnt appear any of error |
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| 12:02.53 | Oins | client is a P4 1.8GHz, host 4x xeon 2.8 GHz ... this should be enough |
| 12:03.35 | Oins | host has a 99.9% idle cpu |
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| 12:04.08 | the_sniff | http://rafb.net/p/xGlzrz64.html |
| 12:04.17 | the_sniff | i've no idea where did that php4 version came from |
| 12:04.29 | the_sniff | andi can't find a suitable php4-imap packacge :E |
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| 12:05.17 | abrotman | the_sniff: what are your sources |
| 12:05.17 | abrotman | ? |
| 12:05.26 | the_sniff | http.us.debian.org |
| 12:05.31 | abrotman | no security line ? |
| 12:05.58 | abrotman | like `deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free` |
| 12:06.13 | the_sniff | oh nope ts commented out |
| 12:06.16 | the_sniff | is that a security update? |
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| 12:07.08 | abrotman | yeah |
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| 12:07.17 | abrotman | the_sniff: paste al your sources |
| 12:07.18 | tralala | Oins, I see no reason for this poor performance then |
| 12:07.30 | the_sniff | abrotman http.us.debian.org was the only one |
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| 12:09.28 | abrotman | the_sniff: i still wanted to see your sources |
| 12:09.42 | abrotman | tralala: cats in the tubes ... |
| 12:10.10 | tralala | or lazy carriers |
| 12:10.19 | the_sniff | abrotman the problem was fixed :E |
| 12:10.29 | abrotman | okay |
| 12:10.39 | the_sniff | i had just http.us.debian.org without any security sources |
| 12:10.47 | abrotman | the_sniff: just make sure your sources all point at etch or stable ... |
| 12:11.09 | the_sniff | yeah i had that with another server |
| 12:11.17 | the_sniff | had to go and reinstall the whole os lol |
| 12:11.43 | abrotman | uhm .. i doubt you would have had to reinstall .. but whatever |
| 12:11.55 | the_sniff | it was libc6 |
| 12:12.04 | the_sniff | and i tried to downgrade it which killed the whole os :P |
| 12:12.21 | abrotman | that can be done .. but it's a horrible idea :) |
| 12:12.28 | the_sniff | yeah i know |
| 12:12.30 | abrotman | unless you really really want to do it |
| 12:12.37 | the_sniff | it worked on my vpc but not on the live server |
| 12:12.43 | the_sniff | the server had serious memory leaks |
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| 12:13.21 | abrotman | ah well .. as long as it all works onw |
| 12:13.22 | abrotman | now |
| 12:13.57 | Daveman | Hello abrotmen |
| 12:14.26 | abrotman | men ? |
| 12:14.28 | abrotman | hi Daveman |
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| 12:14.45 | abrotman | Daveman: do you know where my drive is? |
| 12:16.38 | xand | in his cave |
| 12:17.29 | Daveman | :) |
| 12:17.37 | Daveman | abrotman, no, sorry :) |
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| 12:22.58 | Eclipser | is there some solution on compiling the nvidia module on sid nowadays? |
| 12:23.09 | Eclipser | I get GPL-only symbol violation crap |
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| 12:23.56 | g0th | hi |
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| 12:24.35 | g0th | I'm running an up-to-date sid (just upgraded) and I'm trying to get v4l running. I also updated my kernel (it still has v4l2 support) |
| 12:24.39 | g0th | but |
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| 12:24.48 | g0th | I don't have any /dev/video0 |
| 12:24.54 | g0th | so I can't watch tv |
| 12:24.57 | g0th | what do I need for that? |
| 12:25.01 | g0th | I have udev installed |
| 12:25.21 | fasta | Can anyone tell me what I need to do to solve this? error 20 at 0 depth lookup:unable to get local issuer certificate I want to tell openssl that I trust a certain root authority. |
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| 12:25.47 | fasta | Eclipser: 2.6.18 works, 2.6.22 should work too, AFAIK |
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| 12:28.49 | jovans | is there a debian artwork project/team who is maintainer? |
| 12:28.52 | Eclipser | fasta, hmm |
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| 12:29.06 | Eclipser | fasta, figures, I'm using 2.6.21 :) |
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| 12:30.48 | abrotman | jovans: for all of debian ? |
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| 12:31.45 | jovans | debian yes wich is the conact form? I want to be involved in it |
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| 12:32.39 | liable | i believe theres a debian-artwork list |
| 12:33.04 | stew | jovans: http://lists.debian.org/debian-desktop/ |
| 12:33.08 | liable | or it should be mentioned in an obscure and really hard to find cornor of the web site ;) |
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| 12:33.33 | rysiek|pl | hi all\ |
| 12:33.33 | jovans | thanks |
| 12:34.19 | rysiek|pl | I am trying to use live-package/make-live to create my own debian live iso img - I cannot find any support channel for it or anything |
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| 12:34.35 | rysiek|pl | any ideas, where to look? |
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| 12:35.07 | rysiek|pl | argh, got it |
| 12:35.09 | rysiek|pl | nvm |
| 12:35.27 | asarch | Hey guys, what is the name of the symbol above the piramid on the one dollar bill? |
| 12:35.39 | asarch | Is the "eye" symbol |
| 12:35.48 | rysiek|pl | Eye of Providence |
| 12:36.09 | asarch | Thanks man |
| 12:36.13 | asarch | See you later |
| 12:36.19 | fasta | "the issuer certificate of a locally looked up certificate could not be found. This normally means the list of trusted certificates is not complete. " <- how do I make the list of trusted certificates "complete"? |
| 12:36.40 | cast | #debian! for when you need a bunch of smart people to answer lifes questions |
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| 12:37.46 | liable | cast: you should marry your sister! |
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| 12:37.58 | liable | erm, sorry, wrong answer |
| 12:39.00 | zinx | anyone happen to know why l2tpd isn't in lenny? |
| 12:39.18 | liable | !why is l2tpd not in testing |
| 12:39.18 | dpkg | l2tpd is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=l2tpd |
| 12:39.32 | zinx | :P |
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| 12:39.58 | rysiek|pl | darn it, only dead bodies on #debian-live - anybody has any experience with make-live? esp. why I keep getting "kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount" after trying to boot the generated image ith qemu? |
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| 12:40.18 | zinx | how silly |
| 12:40.28 | liable | what? |
| 12:40.46 | zinx | it's not in because the source package contains RFCs :) |
| 12:40.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: can you think of other statistics? http://asdfasdf.debian.net/~tar/lina/ |
| 12:41.15 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 12:41.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's about doing statistics on all kind of data (debian has a lot of data) |
| 12:41.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: so all you count is lines of source code ? |
| 12:41.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: like run programs in debian against files in debian |
| 12:41.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: i use sloccount, see some example result file |
| 12:42.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: here's one: http://asdfasdf.debian.net/~tar/lina/sloccount/9menu.sloccount |
| 12:42.20 | abrotman | right .. i saw |
| 12:42.28 | the_sniff | wtf is asdfasdf.debian.net ? |
| 12:42.39 | abrotman | silly hostname |
| 12:42.46 | Ronin | zinx: contains non-free RFC to be precise |
| 12:42.59 | stew | all RFCs are non-free |
| 12:43.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: can you get lines of comments ? |
| 12:43.07 | abrotman | :) |
| 12:44.54 | abrotman | tarzeau: not off the top of my head .. |
| 12:45.05 | abrotman | tarzeau: though i'd guess that question is better suited for #-devel |
| 12:45.11 | Ronin | which makes it even odder to have that as a reason, time to read some more |
| 12:45.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: sure, good idea! |
| 12:46.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'll take it over there, thanks |
| 12:46.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=435036 |
| 12:47.12 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:47.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: wow that's good, isn't it? |
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| 12:48.33 | moldy | hi |
| 12:48.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: it'd be useful .. they have debian-isp .. why not debian-enterprise |
| 12:48.43 | moldy | how do i see which version of debian a machine is running? |
| 12:48.49 | abrotman | !version |
| 12:48.50 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
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| 12:49.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: true |
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| 12:52.24 | fasta | abrotman: do you have any idea how I can fix that error 20 I posted above? |
| 12:52.45 | pingouin | what is a ata1: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300) in dmesg ? is that means that the sata plug are not reconized ? i also got an ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0x000109f0 ctl 0x00010bf2 bmdma 0x0001f800 irq 11, i wish to be sure my kernel can handle it, before buying a new sata hd |
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| 12:54.17 | toon | Is the kernel preemption feature more for fluid mosemovements etc during load, or is it also usefull for stuff like resource-intensive gameservers (quake etc)? |
| 12:54.25 | Eclipser | fasta, yay, thanks, 2.6.22 works |
| 12:54.30 | Eclipser | I think |
| 12:54.36 | Eclipser | at least it didn't whine about GPL stuff.. yet |
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| 12:59.06 | abrotman | fasta: make yourself a CA perhaps |
| 12:59.50 | fasta | abrotman: I don't know, but I am getting this idea that OpenSSL isn't documented in a useful way. |
| 13:00.28 | fasta | There are tons of people who asked that question on different fora and mailing lists and nobody seems to have a clue of the answer. |
| 13:00.41 | fasta | The manual should state near error 20 how that can be solved. |
| 13:01.03 | petemc | fasta: you've read all the openssl docs? |
| 13:01.03 | abrotman | fasta: that's a browser error ? |
| 13:01.14 | fasta | abrotman: no |
| 13:01.18 | abrotman | petemc: come on .. that's a lot of docs! |
| 13:01.22 | petemc | it sure is |
| 13:01.28 | fasta | abrotman: fetchmail, which uses openssl |
| 13:01.37 | fasta | abrotman: I can reproduce it when I use openssl verify |
| 13:02.12 | fasta | petemc: AFAIK, there are only man pages for openssl. |
| 13:02.29 | petemc | fasta: what format would you prefer? |
| 13:02.30 | fasta | petemc: and some HOWTOs |
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| 13:03.06 | fasta | petemc: I don't care about the format, it should just tell me how to say:"this certificate is OK" and it should have included that near error 20 |
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| 13:03.19 | fasta | petemc: how else am I expected to find that piece of information? |
| 13:03.34 | fasta | petemc: anyway, if you know the answer, tell me, otherwise, don't waste my time. |
| 13:03.40 | petemc | hah |
| 13:04.06 | petemc | fine, i wont |
| 13:04.06 | tralala | fasta, man verify is a way to verify certificates using openssl |
| 13:04.06 | petemc | fasta: tho, its a public channel, im free to volunteer my opinion |
| 13:04.13 | fasta | tralala: I know that |
| 13:04.19 | nohaycubetto_ | hi, i'm running a long scp on a server. and have to close my terminal window. is there anyway i can change it from pts/0 to something else so it doesnt stop running? |
| 13:04.39 | fasta | tralala: and when I do that, I get an error. That error is my only piece of information for a next logical action. |
| 13:04.43 | nohaycubetto_ | i know i can do CTRL z, then bg, but it stops running when i close ssh terminal |
| 13:04.45 | abrotman | nohaycubetto_: you should have used screen or nohup when oyu started |
| 13:05.09 | nohaycubetto_ | so i cannot change it now, right? |
| 13:05.29 | stew | nohaycubetto_: there is retty, no idea how well it works thogh |
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| 13:06.41 | ggeecko_ | is there a way you cansplit screen veritcally |
| 13:06.55 | abrotman | the screen command? or just a tty ? |
| 13:07.03 | ggeecko_ | either |
| 13:07.40 | tralala | fasta, isn't that alright? |
| 13:07.46 | abrotman | i think screen only splits horizontally |
| 13:08.02 | ggeecko_ | thats what i thought |
| 13:08.08 | fasta | tralala: I already got that error before I got to this channel |
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| 13:08.35 | fasta | tralala: the problem is that I have no idea how to connect the information contained in the error message with an action to solve it. |
| 13:08.47 | fasta | tralala: I need to "add it to the list of trusted certificates" |
| 13:08.59 | fasta | tralala: but the FM doesn't tell me how to do that. |
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| 13:09.28 | tralala | fasta, gmail? |
| 13:09.34 | fasta | tralala: ... |
| 13:09.51 | fasta | tralala: No, an imaps server, like I said above |
| 13:09.54 | fasta | tralala: scroll back |
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| 13:10.43 | fasta | Installing a certificate in the browser is one click worth of work. |
| 13:10.58 | fasta | Installing it for fetchmail is orders of magnitude more complicated. |
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| 13:13.31 | svref | What is "festival-synthesis-driver" and why is it taking 100% of my CPU? |
| 13:13.53 | liable | your computer is trying to talk! |
| 13:14.09 | svref | with no sound configured, I don't see this being very useful. |
| 13:14.24 | liable | you must be a woman and you wont let it |
| 13:14.40 | liable | so its sulking and using cycles |
| 13:14.41 | tralala | fasta, this speaks about gmail but you should be able to modify it for your case: http://download.gna.org/hpr/fetchmail/FAQ/gmail-pop-howto.html |
| 13:14.54 | fasta | tralala: .... |
| 13:14.58 | fasta | tralala: I already did that |
| 13:15.01 | svref | Well, were I to actually configure sound, what would festival do? |
| 13:15.27 | liable | svref: its a voive synthisizer thing |
| 13:15.30 | tralala | fasta, is the certificate issued by a proper authority or it's a home made one? |
| 13:15.30 | fasta | tralala: try to answer the question I asked, notthing more, or do not answer at all. |
| 13:15.31 | liable | voice |
| 13:16.12 | fasta | tralala: It's by SURFNET (Dutch university network) |
| 13:16.16 | svref | I'd expect a voice synth to do all its computation at run-time, but this looks like a cron job. |
| 13:16.47 | tralala | fasta, is it available online? Can I use get it and test it? |
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| 13:16.55 | fasta | tralala: yes, hold on. |
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| 13:18.14 | svref | hm, looks like "festival" is started by /etc/rc2.d/S20festival |
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| 13:18.54 | liable | svref: why did you install it then? |
| 13:19.06 | svref | Ask dist-upgrade |
| 13:19.28 | liable | svref: erm, so, you dont take any notice obviously? |
| 13:19.36 | svref | its a component of "gnome". |
| 13:20.50 | liable | i have never seen festival to be a depends of anything gnome related, but then i dont install the whole environment |
| 13:21.13 | liable | anyway, just uninstall it |
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| 13:21.31 | svref | fair enough |
| 13:22.03 | massctrl | hellowz, my /etc/localtime is pointing to the right timezone, yet the hour is 1 hour in the future, where can I alter this? |
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| 13:35.39 | tongucyumruk | Hi, I'm trying to deploy an nfsv4 server with kerberos |
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| 13:36.33 | tongucyumruk | Currently my Kerberos server is up and running, I'm able to use it via ssh and I've also created the proper nfs/... stuff |
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| 13:37.05 | mystic_pinguin | hello |
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| 13:37.20 | tongucyumruk | The problem is, when I try to mount the directory on the remote server, I get a permission denied message |
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| 13:37.46 | mystic_pinguin | im sorry the question but ... in the new nootbooks ... whith hd sata is there much problems therewhith debian instalation? |
| 13:38.03 | tongucyumruk | mount -t nfs4 bronze:/srv/nfs /srv/nfs/ -o sec=krb5p |
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| 13:38.13 | tongucyumruk | mount: permission denied |
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| 13:38.37 | tralala | mystic_pinguin, /msg dpkg laptops |
| 13:38.38 | tongucyumruk | /srv/nfs gss/krb5p(rw,sync,no_subtree_check,no_root_squash,insecure) |
| 13:38.58 | tongucyumruk | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.30 | mystic_pinguin | thank you very much tralala :) |
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| 13:40.11 | abrotman | tongucyumruk: moutn point perms ? |
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| 13:40.30 | tongucyumruk | I'm root... whatever... here are the perms: |
| 13:41.00 | tongucyumruk | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 21 2007-07-30 12:53 /srv/nfs/ |
| 13:41.06 | cast | http://wiki.debian.org/TheFable interesting [old, sure, but new to me and a few others i bet] |
| 13:41.21 | tongucyumruk | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 6 2007-07-30 16:09 /srv/nfs/ |
| 13:41.31 | tongucyumruk | The first one was the client |
| 13:41.39 | tongucyumruk | And the second one is the server |
| 13:41.39 | abrotman | cast: there's another similar item |
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| 13:45.24 | DragonD | how to i install the flash plugin? i'm getting "md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz" |
| 13:45.43 | tongucyumruk | God, I hate NFS! |
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| 13:50.51 | Mole | whats the easiest way to see what hdds i have installed? |
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| 13:51.33 | cast | i look at dmesg personally, theres probably a better way |
| 13:51.35 | twobitsprite | Mole: you want to know what size they are? |
| 13:51.40 | simonrvn | cat /proc/partitions |
| 13:51.43 | stew | Mole: fdisk -l |
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| 13:52.07 | Mole | id like to see what brand/model |
| 13:52.11 | simonrvn | er, yeh fdisk -l |
| 13:52.18 | simonrvn | look in the case |
| 13:52.20 | Mole | some of them are on my raid-controller tho |
| 13:52.34 | Mole | :D |
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| 13:53.05 | urv | how can i store in a bash script the output of a command into a variable without bash eaten all the newlines? |
| 13:53.08 | cahoot | hwinfo? |
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| 13:53.47 | petemc | urv: FOO=`command` or FOO=$(command) doesnt work ? |
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| 13:55.08 | urv | petemc: no somehow not - the newlines are gone after i echo the variable into a file |
| 13:55.25 | jimmybgood | how do i add the debian menu back into the gnome-menu? |
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| 13:58.04 | liable | sjkwizard: /j #flood |
| 13:58.37 | abrotman | jimmybgood: update-menus ? |
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| 13:59.36 | twobitsprite | is there a sega genesis emulator for linux? |
| 13:59.43 | jimmybgood | abrotman: update took it away. changelog says use menu editor, but i don't see how to add anything with it |
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| 14:01.41 | jimmybgood | abrotman: it says something about debian.directory where's that? |
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| 14:04.14 | themill | urv: if you play with the IFS magic variable it should work |
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| 14:04.30 | en1gma | sup all |
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| 14:05.09 | toon | If I want to change something for snmp, I edit /etc/defaults/snmpd, however this is overwritten when a new version arrives. should I put it somewhere else? |
| 14:05.17 | abrotman | /usr/share/menu/ .. i;'d think |
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| 14:05.51 | en1gma | why dont i see alot more updates avail....im running debian-sid and when i run others distros of sid there is usually like 50updates a day avail.....for the last 2 weeks the only thing i seen is fglrx update avail |
| 14:06.03 | en1gma | do i need to update that in order to see the other avail updates |
| 14:06.52 | zinx | en1gma: the ftp.debian.org mirrors seem to be out of date |
| 14:07.00 | simonrvn | it's only over-written if you tell it to |
| 14:07.02 | zinx | en1gma: try ftp.XX.debian.org where XX is your country code |
| 14:07.03 | en1gma | can you suggest a good mirror |
| 14:07.10 | en1gma | ok thanks |
| 14:07.13 | en1gma | will check now |
| 14:07.30 | jimmybgood | abrotman: yeah, that's where all the individual menu entries are. But none of them show up in the menu. Not even the custom ones I put in /etc/menu |
| 14:07.39 | abrotman | !menu |
| 14:07.39 | dpkg | menu is, like, the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your windowmanager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (ie, install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers), or to add new entries less /etc/menu/README or ask me about menu-methods |
| 14:08.48 | jimmybgood | abrotman: yeah, that's the way it worked yesterday, but today the entire debian menu was taken out of the gnome menu |
| 14:09.26 | abrotman | are you running unstable ? |
| 14:09.32 | jimmybgood | abrotman: yes |
| 14:09.59 | abrotman | did you check the bts ? |
| 14:10.35 | jimmybgood | abrotman: in the changelog they call it a feature and say it can be reenabled. but how? |
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| 14:10.59 | abrotman | did you check in /usr/share/doc/menu or related bits? idon't have an unstable box here to check on |
| 14:11.02 | en1gma | in synaptic what is the difference (in custom filters) of "arked changes" and "upgradable (upstream)" |
| 14:11.21 | stoned | I shoulda went to work |
| 14:11.25 | stoned | but i can't |
| 14:11.28 | simonrvn | gnome's menu editor |
| 14:11.39 | simonrvn | click a checkbox, enabled |
| 14:11.52 | themill | en1gma: marked changes are the things you have told synaptic you want it to do; upgradable are the upgrades you can ask it to do. |
| 14:11.55 | stoned | I like chex |
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| 14:11.56 | stoned | salty |
| 14:12.25 | en1gma | hmmm |
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| 14:12.54 | en1gma | when i click "mark upgrades" shouldnt it pull its info from "upgradable" |
| 14:13.17 | jimmybgood | abrotman: yeah, it's in bts and a lot of discussion. thanks |
| 14:13.29 | en1gma | oh it prob does....its just prob showing some conflicts |
| 14:13.31 | waqjan | how safe is 'apt-get autoremove' ? |
| 14:13.44 | abrotman | jimmybgood: when you're running unstable .. bts should almost always be your first stop when youhave an issue |
| 14:14.08 | stoned | its safe |
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| 14:14.13 | waqjan | thanks |
| 14:14.19 | stoned | I just don't like to do apt-get clean |
| 14:14.31 | stoned | cuz if i need some packages again, they have to get re downloaded |
| 14:14.39 | stoned | can't do that in unstable |
| 14:14.44 | stoned | gotta keep it clean |
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| 14:15.24 | blubs | hello there is it possible to make out of an existing system a installer cd to install the exactly same system on another box. I mean without partitioning this can be done by the user himself ... is there a way with debain ? |
| 14:15.52 | stoned | blubs: easily accomplished with ghosting tools if you have the same hardware |
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| 14:15.59 | twobitsprite | how do I restrict aptitude search to a particular repo? |
| 14:16.03 | stoned | just modify the networking after its been installed |
| 14:16.10 | jimmybgood | abrotman: usually it is, but this time the package manager gave bad instructions that led me to believe that the problem was that I didn't know how to use the menu editor |
| 14:16.15 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 14:16.16 | themill | en1gma: it depends whether you're talking "mark updates" or "marked updates". One is an action (verb), the other is a list. |
| 14:16.25 | blubs | stoned: i mean no windows stuff included only linux and opensource tools |
| 14:16.36 | drbair_laptop | I'm getting an error every so often on my dell pe1950... "BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!" Any ideas? |
| 14:16.46 | stoned | blubs: not open source |
| 14:16.49 | blubs | stoned: ghost is windows right |
| 14:16.55 | stoned | blubs: you can use hiren's boot cd |
| 14:16.57 | stoned | dos tools |
| 14:16.59 | stoned | reliable |
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| 14:17.07 | stoned | I nkow cuz i do it all the tie |
| 14:17.08 | abrotman | blubs: yes tehre is |
| 14:17.10 | blubs | stoned: can there anything done with debain remastering cd |
| 14:17.11 | themill | en1gma: and yes, conflicts and whether it's trying upgrade or dist-upgrade will change what "mark all updates" tries to do. |
| 14:17.13 | stoned | or get the ultimate boot cd |
| 14:17.16 | blubs | abrotman: OHHH :) |
| 14:17.20 | blubs | abrotman: what ? |
| 14:17.25 | stoned | i dunno about open source tools and stuff regarding this |
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| 14:17.32 | en1gma | k thanks |
| 14:17.45 | abrotman | systemimager .. and bootcd .. i think |
| 14:17.45 | blubs | stoned: abrotman I would like to remaster a linudebian insatller cd or something |
| 14:18.00 | blubs | abrotman: systemimager ? |
| 14:18.06 | abrotman | apt-cache search system image | more .. browse around a bit |
| 14:18.17 | blubs | abrotman: ok |
| 14:18.20 | blubs | abrotman: thx |
| 14:18.45 | en1gma | i bored |
| 14:18.58 | stoned | blubs: basically I keep all my different operatins systems that have been installed on my machine on a harddisk in ghosted images |
| 14:19.17 | freach | hello, did a stupid thing ... import a old mysql sql backup to mysql db and forgot about the debian-sys-maint user, tryed to purge the installation but it can'ät remove because the purge try to do something with the debian-sys-maint user in the mysql db ... how get I mysql-server removed ? |
| 14:19.20 | themill | !tell blubs about custom cd |
| 14:19.25 | stoned | blubs: I simply boot with any number of boot cds on the internet, select ghost from image to disk, and just stuff |
| 14:19.26 | en1gma | ftp.us.debian.org is a slow biAtch |
| 14:19.28 | donaldo_ | i'm running the etch 2.6.18-4-686 kernel, is there any reason my fork time should be very very slow? |
| 14:19.35 | blubs | stoned: I see but I can only use opensource tool and I should be able to install the system on another server if the first one breaks |
| 14:19.37 | stoned | there was a way to do this without ghosting in debian |
| 14:19.52 | stoned | basicall yyou get a list of packages and then use the same packages on the next install |
| 14:19.57 | stoned | i can't remember the factoid |
| 14:20.32 | themill | !debian clone |
| 14:20.33 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
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| 14:21.01 | stoned | themill: you da mill |
| 14:21.04 | stoned | i mean.. man ;) |
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| 14:21.09 | abrotman | blubs: it hink the systemimager will do what you're looking for |
| 14:21.09 | blubs | stoned: therea re also some self made packages not availiable for everybody |
| 14:21.17 | blubs | abrotman: ok ill have a try |
| 14:21.19 | themill | stoned: :) |
| 14:21.22 | stoned | blubs: just ghost it man |
| 14:21.48 | stoned | I keep 2gb images of ubuntu,debian,bsd,windows,etc.etc. around |
| 14:22.02 | abrotman | blubs: just read the docs before you depend on it :) |
| 14:22.11 | stoned | 10min max, an its all ghosted, no configuration needed except changing the ip |
| 14:22.20 | stoned | or setting it dhcp whatever |
| 14:22.23 | blubs | abrotman: look i have a system which has special configurations and also some self made packages. now i want to put this in a debian boot cd and put it into another server and install it there. Like I said system configuration and partitioning can be done by the user |
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| 14:23.13 | DragonD | when i run alsaconf it's only detecting my onboard ac97 but i also have a usb headset that works if i modprobe snd-usb-audio... so i need to add some things to /etc/modprobe.d/sound? |
| 14:23.50 | stoned | DragonD: or just add snd-usb-audio to /etc/modules and start alsaconf again? |
| 14:24.05 | stoned | does it detect the usb audio after you load the module |
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| 14:24.11 | dan2 | openoffice just keeps crashing her |
| 14:24.13 | dan2 | here |
| 14:24.15 | DragonD | stoned: yeah |
| 14:24.21 | blubs | abrotman: and I need to have a cd in my hands after to make the install on other servers |
| 14:24.25 | stoned | DragonD: so just add the module to /etc/modules |
| 14:24.26 | abrotman | blubs: so look at those packages |
| 14:24.55 | blubs | abrotman: thx |
| 14:25.01 | stoned | don't restart, modprobe it and use alsaconf |
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| 14:25.27 | Languid | hello, does anyone know what dpkg-reconfigure command lets me set my default terminal? |
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| 14:25.52 | stoned | Languid: shell? |
| 14:25.53 | DragonD | stoned: alsaconf unloads all sound modules before "detecting" |
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| 14:26.07 | stoned | DragonD: oh yeah, but oh yeah |
| 14:26.11 | stoned | goddamn alsaconf |
| 14:26.20 | Languid | stoned: yeah, like i want to use xterm instead of gnome-terminal by default |
| 14:26.21 | simonrvn | !nuke alsaconf |
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| 14:26.29 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 14:26.43 | stoned | Languid: sudo update-alternatives --configure |
| 14:26.45 | stoned | umm |
| 14:26.50 | stoned | shit i forgot what its called |
| 14:27.04 | stoned | search in /etc/alternatives |
| 14:27.05 | Languid | stoned: :( |
| 14:27.16 | simonrvn | x-terminal-emulator |
| 14:27.19 | stoned | ilke x terminal emulator |
| 14:27.20 | DragonD | lol |
| 14:27.23 | stoned | ahh there it is |
| 14:27.30 | stoned | I was thinking it and simon said it |
| 14:27.31 | stoned | hehe |
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| 14:27.53 | Languid | okay so sudo update-alternatives --configure x-terminal-emulator? |
| 14:27.58 | stoned | yes |
| 14:28.05 | stoned | then just pick one from the list |
| 14:28.07 | Languid | cool |
| 14:28.09 | stoned | it will be set as default |
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| 14:28.15 | abrotman | blubs: i'm not 100% certain they'll do what yo need .. but you can certainly look at them |
| 14:28.20 | simonrvn | --list to just see the list, etc. |
| 14:28.24 | themill | Languid: you can also use galternatives |
| 14:28.30 | Languid | stoned: cool, thanks so much :) |
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| 14:28.37 | stoned | yup |
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| 14:28.52 | simonrvn | aack, they moved terms into the main menu |
| 14:29.00 | stoned | thank simon |
| 14:29.08 | simonrvn | s'ok |
| 14:29.28 | stoned | we don't need no educatoin |
| 14:29.33 | stoned | or food or water |
| 14:29.40 | stoned | we live on gratitude here in #debian |
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| 14:29.55 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 14:29.56 | stoned | ehehe |
| 14:30.08 | blubs | abrotman: but do I have a cd image or several after doing it with SystemImager and i can insert them boot from them and install this specific system ? |
| 14:30.31 | stoned | hey simon |
| 14:30.33 | rahul | s t o n e d |
| 14:30.36 | stoned | do you by anychange know... stoned |
| 14:30.38 | stoned | ier |
| 14:30.43 | stoned | i mean luhar |
| 14:30.45 | abrotman | blubs: read it and see .. i think that's the idea .. but i'm not 100% sure |
| 14:30.46 | stoned | whats up man |
| 14:30.55 | rahul | oof |
| 14:31.07 | rahul | rock the bells was awesome |
| 14:31.14 | blubs | abrotman: ok |
| 14:31.15 | stoned | rahul: i filed for my citizenship |
| 14:31.25 | stoned | then hopefully i can get this girl here soon |
| 14:31.31 | stoned | ahh boy |
| 14:31.32 | rahul | cool |
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| 14:31.44 | stoned | or should I just say fuck it and just you know |
| 14:31.46 | stoned | hehe... |
| 14:31.48 | stoned | be bad |
| 14:31.54 | rahul | I think morello did a 4th octave pinch harmonic |
| 14:32.12 | stoned | guitar only has 2 octaves usually |
| 14:32.17 | stoned | well on on string that is |
| 14:32.29 | stoned | 4th octave of what? |
| 14:32.30 | rahul | that's why you use pinch harmonics |
| 14:32.45 | rahul | above the string's natural frequency |
| 14:32.48 | stoned | #music |
| 14:33.00 | stoned | you'll get me yelled at again |
| 14:33.19 | rahul | heh |
| 14:33.24 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 14:33.25 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 14:33.40 | stoned | dude |
| 14:33.43 | stoned | whats with the |
| 14:33.44 | stoned | what? |
| 14:33.49 | stoned | wet spot |
| 14:33.54 | simonrvn | hehehe |
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| 14:34.23 | simonrvn | looks like the first time you've been penixstruck |
| 14:34.54 | simonrvn | ok, so now you're not a #debian virgin anymore. congrats |
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| 14:42.01 | harpal | any one has used l2tp and pptp ? |
| 14:42.38 | themill | harpal: pptp but not l2tp. |
| 14:42.50 | themill | harpal: what's your question? |
| 14:43.13 | harpal | themill: I have problem that l2tp and pptp both using chap-secrets file |
| 14:43.34 | harpal | I want to make some secrets for l2tp and some for pptp |
| 14:44.35 | harpal | not combine one. another thing is that I am also using pppoe it also uses that chap-secrets file |
| 14:44.52 | harpal | themill: what should I do? |
| 14:45.21 | themill | harpal: nfi |
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| 14:47.24 | abrotman | !beer gimmebeer |
| 14:47.34 | gimmebeer | hello abrotman :D |
| 14:47.44 | abrotman | sorry .. couldn't resist |
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| 14:47.50 | gimmebeer | no problem, mate :) |
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| 14:50.54 | XtypeWriter74 | !paste |
| 14:50.55 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 14:51.29 | gimmebeer | and hello all; I need to reset the root password on a lenny machine which boots off an encrypted/LVM root partition using grub. I edited the single user grub entry, changing 'ro' to 'rw' and appending 'init=/bin/bash'. I can get a root shell and run passwd, but the new root password does not work when I boot in the usual way. How do I do that? |
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| 14:53.43 | waqjan | take a look at /etc/passwd ? |
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| 14:53.56 | neo | hello? |
| 14:54.07 | neo | mysql is already installed on my system |
| 14:54.12 | neo | but |
| 14:54.23 | neo | how can i change username password's etc |
| 14:54.24 | neo | ? |
| 14:54.43 | themill | !tell neo about forgot mysql root password |
| 14:54.46 | xand | if you have php, you could try phpmyadmin? |
| 14:54.51 | neo | no |
| 14:54.57 | neo | i didint even changed |
| 14:55.00 | waqjan | gimmebeer: I can't stand by my suggesstion, but this is the file that deals with passwords |
| 14:55.07 | neo | its already installed |
| 14:55.09 | njan | neo, have you ever used mysql before? |
| 14:55.12 | neo | when i installed debian |
| 14:55.15 | neo | no |
| 14:55.18 | xand | neo: you want to add other users or set root's password? try blank password |
| 14:55.23 | neo | ok |
| 14:55.27 | njan | neo, then I'd suggest reading through the mysql user guide.. |
| 14:55.28 | neo | its on port |
| 14:55.29 | njan | neo, http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/adding-users.html |
| 14:55.33 | neo | ok |
| 14:55.35 | neo | thank you ;) |
| 14:55.36 | neo | all |
| 14:55.38 | en1gma | how well does rpm install the ati linux prop driver |
| 14:55.39 | xand | "mysql -u root" |
| 14:55.40 | waqjan | neo: I highly recommend phpmyadmin |
| 14:55.46 | en1gma | for debian |
| 14:55.48 | neo | but which port? |
| 14:55.50 | njan | neo, you might want to start at the beginning and flick through i from there, too - http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/index.html |
| 14:55.53 | xand | en1gma: rpm isn't a debian program is it? |
| 14:56.00 | neo | ok |
| 14:56.00 | en1gma | its in synaptic |
| 14:56.06 | en1gma | "rpm" |
| 14:56.10 | xand | neo: the mysql client on localhost doesn't use tcp, it uses a unix socket |
| 14:56.21 | neo | ok |
| 14:56.41 | themill | en1gma: rpm in debian cannot install things. Use apt. /msg dpkg fglrx |
| 14:56.57 | en1gma | the new ati driver says it dont use fglrx anymore |
| 14:57.04 | en1gma | it uses aticon |
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| 14:57.09 | en1gma | aticonf* |
| 14:57.18 | dbe | How can I figure out the device name of my primary slave IDE drive? fdisk /media/hdb does not work for me. |
| 14:57.26 | themill | en1gma: read that more carefully. it says it doesn't use fglrxconfig |
| 14:57.39 | petemc | dbe: dmesg|grep hd |
| 14:57.45 | en1gma | the fglrx script is old and wont install the new driver |
| 14:57.49 | waqjan | dbe: ls /dev/hd* |
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| 14:58.10 | en1gma | so i was hoping that "rpm" might |
| 14:58.10 | xand | dbe: if it shows up in the bios, it should usually be hdb but check dmesg as suggested |
| 14:58.28 | themill | en1gma: what version do you want? |
| 14:58.56 | en1gma | it came out july23 8.39.4 |
| 14:59.09 | en1gma | fglrx only does 8.36.1 |
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| 14:59.24 | themill | !info fglrx-driver |
| 14:59.25 | dpkg | fglrx-driver: (display driver for the ATI graphics accelerators), section non-free/x11, is extra. Version: 8.38.6-2 (sid), Packaged size: 5969 kB, Installed size: 17480 kB |
| 14:59.26 | dbe | petemc: dmesg | grep hd hits: [17179577.428000] hdb: IBM-DPTA-372050, ATA DISK drive thats the disk but fdisk /media/hdb does not work. |
| 14:59.38 | dbe | xand: |
| 14:59.45 | en1gma | 8.38.8-2 still isnt 8.39 |
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| 15:00.06 | waqjan | dbe: fdisk /dev/hdb |
| 15:00.08 | jelly-home | en1gma: it's only .2 difference! |
| 15:00.23 | themill | en1gma: and if you always want the latest irrespective of getting things hit into shape so they actually work together, you'd be running gentoo :) |
| 15:00.26 | xand | dbe: it's /dev not /media |
| 15:00.29 | dbe | waqjan: Yeah, I forgot. |
| 15:00.32 | en1gma | sid = the newest....fglrx came out 07-23 its 07-30 now |
| 15:00.43 | abrotman | en1gma: quit whining |
| 15:00.58 | abrotman | en1gma: perhaps the maintainer is on vacation? or in the hospital |
| 15:01.02 | themill | en1gma: you could offer to help package it. the maintainer will be thrilled to have your help. |
| 15:01.02 | jelly-home | If you wanted things that work on Linux, you wouldn't be using ATI at all, but that's not relevant |
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| 15:01.21 | en1gma | im not whining im asking if rpm will install it |
| 15:01.22 | abrotman | that was useless |
| 15:01.23 | en1gma | sheesh |
| 15:01.32 | abrotman | try it and see .. we can't help you with it |
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| 15:01.41 | en1gma | rpm is in the repos |
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| 15:02.01 | themill | en1gma: and what was my answer about rpm? |
| 15:02.01 | en1gma | it is a supported package |
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| 15:02.41 | abrotman | it's not a supported package |
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| 15:02.59 | en1gma | it isnt? |
| 15:03.01 | gimmebeer | wagjan: I can access /etc/passwd but shadow passwords are enabled, so I can't change anything from there |
| 15:03.03 | abrotman | you're going to alien a third party RPM of a version that isn't in debian |
| 15:03.15 | en1gma | how can i tell what packages are supported? i thought if its in the repos it is |
| 15:03.25 | en1gma | it is in debian |
| 15:03.29 | MoDaX | en1gma: ati installer is capable of generating debs |
| 15:03.39 | abrotman | en1gma: then of course there's the idea that unstable isn't supported in #debian at all |
| 15:03.42 | gimmebeer | wagjan: OTOH if I open shadow in the editor, it's blank |
| 15:03.46 | xand | en1gma: there aren't rpms in debian repos, what are you talking about? |
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| 15:03.48 | cydork | en1gma: that rpm can be used to create rpms but not to install them :) |
| 15:03.55 | en1gma | rpm the package is |
| 15:04.02 | en1gma | ahhh ok |
| 15:04.06 | themill | en1gma: do you know if the latest fglrx is even compatible with the version of xorg you're using? They often aren't. You might like to check. |
| 15:04.14 | abrotman | you go ahead and try to get that RPM to install as an RPM on debian .. we'll see you in two weeks .. you'll be bald |
| 15:04.23 | en1gma | themill yea thats what i doing next |
| 15:04.34 | en1gma | i need to dload the checkinstall.sh |
| 15:04.53 | MoDaX | btw, fglrx is piece of s**t (quality-wise). but you already know this :) |
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| 15:05.55 | hark | cydork: i thought you could install with it as well |
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| 15:07.18 | cydork | hark: you can. but that will do strange things, wont it? :P |
| 15:07.33 | MoDaX | I still fail to understand why would one want to install fglrx rpms if (s)he could install debs |
| 15:07.55 | en1gma | :) |
| 15:08.13 | en1gma | ive done the debs before its prob what i will do again |
| 15:08.23 | en1gma | but the answer is its extra work |
| 15:08.26 | hark | yes, that for sure :) alien should be used instead at least |
| 15:08.57 | MoDaX | en1gma: and rpms aren't extra work? come on :) |
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| 15:09.05 | cydork | alien also sucks! |
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| 15:09.24 | en1gma | well i dont know i never used em |
| 15:09.31 | donaldo | ok to ask GTK+2.0 questions here? i want to draw to a gdk pixbuf. how do i get a drawable from a pixbuf to use as the first argument to gdk_draw_* functions? |
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| 15:09.41 | en1gma | the ati install says its for redhat and suse and i knew there was an rpm package for debian |
| 15:09.48 | en1gma | so i thought maybe it might word |
| 15:09.50 | en1gma | work* |
| 15:10.05 | knoxy | how can I use to sniff messages of my local jabberd2 server? |
| 15:10.11 | hark | the installer can generate debs too iirc |
| 15:10.14 | knoxy | what package |
| 15:10.23 | MoDaX | it took me 10 minutes rtfm'ing till I once figured out how to install rpm package with rpm (now I don't remember anyway) |
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| 15:11.13 | MoDaX | en1gma: rpm for debian :) nice joke |
| 15:11.26 | en1gma | thnx for the info....will skip that crap then |
| 15:11.31 | hark | rpm -i bork.rpm :) |
| 15:11.51 | MoDaX | hark: I guess no. rpm -ip iirc |
| 15:11.57 | MoDaX | or something |
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| 15:12.52 | hark | hmm, p for package i guess then |
| 15:13.18 | MoDaX | something like that |
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| 15:15.05 | lunaphyte_ | what non-x program can i use to talk to a device over a serial port? |
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| 15:15.26 | abrotman | minicom or kermit |
| 15:15.36 | lunaphyte_ | preference? |
| 15:15.40 | lindenl1 | Where would one get started if one wants to talk to a pci express card? |
| 15:15.52 | abrotman | lunaphyte_: the one that works for you :) |
| 15:15.57 | lunaphyte_ | :) |
| 15:16.02 | lunaphyte_ | well neither work yet... ;) |
| 15:16.31 | lindenl1 | i.e. is there some hardware abstraction library? |
| 15:16.54 | abrotman | lindenl1: oyu might want ##kernel |
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| 15:16.58 | norc | lindenl1: sure there is. it's called hardware abstraction library |
| 15:17.05 | norc | or in short: hal |
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| 15:17.25 | norc | well, hardware abstraction layer |
| 15:17.29 | norc | but anyway ;) |
| 15:17.59 | en1gma | brb |
| 15:18.16 | lindenl1 | norc: right, I guess that was a bit silly ;) |
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| 15:19.23 | lindenl1 | abrotman: also a good isea |
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| 15:25.00 | drako | [D]rea[M] = pr0n spammer. |
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| 15:27.35 | jelly-home | pron spammer only in two channels? |
| 15:28.17 | lunaphyte_ | abrotman: minicom seems to do the trick. thanks. |
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| 15:30.48 | donaldo | why am i asking in debian? |
| 15:31.18 | Ronin | donaldo: brain fart? |
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| 15:31.39 | donaldo | Ronin: i guess so :( |
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| 15:31.51 | kombi | how does one cp a users crontab? which file is it in? |
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| 15:32.53 | wlu | does anyone know why Ia ma getting this message in Xorg.0.log: (II) Attempted to read BIOS 128KB from /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:09:00.0/rom: got 61KB and few lines right below it I get (II) Attempted to read BIOS 0KB from /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:09:00.0/rom: got 0KB |
| 15:32.59 | jmoiron | i am having trouble with dhclient adding the route correctly for my additional interfaces |
| 15:33.00 | themill | kombi: man crontab |
| 15:33.25 | kombi | themill: read that, didn't mention the file, or did I not see it.. (looking again) |
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| 15:33.43 | jmoiron | it doesn't even add the new network to the routing table |
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| 15:34.19 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
| 15:34.41 | jmoiron | this is on lenny |
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| 15:35.27 | kombi | themill: still/again can't find it in there.. could you give me some hint |
| 15:35.33 | MoDaX | kombi: iirc, /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
| 15:35.47 | kombi | thanks MoDaX! |
| 15:35.50 | jmoiron | i am also using ifrename to keep my interfaces straight; any ideas? |
| 15:35.55 | themill | kombi: /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
| 15:36.01 | MoDaX | kombi: run `crontab -e` to edit it |
| 15:36.11 | ipmasq | hi all, could someone pls tell me how to quickly set up ipmasq/iptables to share internet connection within a lan ?- thank you |
| 15:36.48 | kombi | I know, I'm switching to another box and need to transfer all cronjobs.. |
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| 15:36.58 | jmoiron | ipmasq: http://www.revsys.com/writings/quicktips/nat.html |
| 15:37.00 | cydork | ipmasq: check /msg dpkg ipmasq |
| 15:37.53 | MoDaX | ipmasq: iirc, iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <internet interface> -s <internal network> -j SNAT --to <external ip> |
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| 15:40.16 | ipmasq | <MoDaX> mean iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -s eth0 -j SNAT 82.etc.etc.etc? |
| 15:40.35 | stew | why -j SNAT and not -j MASQUERADE ? |
| 15:40.44 | stew | or why not just 'aptitude install ipmasq' ? |
| 15:40.47 | gimmebeer | finally found the problem |
| 15:41.08 | gimmebeer | for some reason the new shadow file wasn't synced correctly; I fixed issueing sync and then reboot, now it works |
| 15:41.23 | ipmasq | i've already installe ipmasq and ran ipmasq but connections is not shared, at console i see the client attempts |
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| 15:41.49 | stew | ipmasq: try reading /usr/share/doc/ipmasq/README.Debian ? |
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| 15:42.07 | ipmasq | ok i will give it a try |
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| 15:45.13 | knoxy | what package/program can I use to sniff the jabberd2? |
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| 15:45.33 | cast | i'm not telling. |
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| 15:46.05 | vorpal | tcpdump |
| 15:46.14 | vorpal | that will be $5, please |
| 15:46.37 | Dunedan | Does anybody know how to bootstrap a debian system from a rpm-based distro? |
| 15:46.53 | cast | vorpal: most users connect with tls to jabber me suspects :> |
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| 15:47.18 | stew | Dunedan: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 15:47.28 | themill | Dunedan: there is debootstrap but unless you *really* need high availability etc then just do a fresh install. |
| 15:47.44 | Dunedan | stew: And how do I get debootstrap there? |
| 15:48.12 | stew | dpkg: tell Dunedan about debootstrap |
| 15:48.12 | Dunedan | themill: that will be my fresh install. ;-) I only have remote access to that machine. |
| 15:48.37 | stew | themill: what does high availability have to do with anything? |
| 15:49.54 | Dunedan | so the simpliest way to bootstrap debian from a rpm-based system will be to compile debootstrap? |
| 15:50.23 | themill | stew: reading the docs for debootstrap the other day -- if you can't/don't want the machine to be down for a period of time while you're configuring it, then you can use debootstrap to achieve that. The reboot goes straight into a configured system not a vanilla install. |
| 15:50.23 | stew | Dunedan: its just a shell script, nothing needs to be compiled |
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| 15:51.02 | Dunedan | ah, ok. dpkg says something about compile. |
| 15:51.06 | themill | stew: that was my impression from the docs at least. |
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| 15:53.04 | stew | Dunedan: oh, i guess there is a portion that gets compiled |
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| 15:55.08 | themill | Dunedan: there's a howto in the install guide: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
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| 15:56.14 | themill | stew: from the install guide: "This is therefore a ?zero downtime? Debian GNU/Linux install." I guess that's the bit that stuck in my memory :) |
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| 15:57.17 | lekvar | how does that work? halt your old OS without rebooting? |
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| 15:59.26 | themill | lekvar: no, it does actually reboot at the end. i guess that's why "zero downtime" is in quotes... it's for slightly larger values of 0... |
| 16:00.43 | lekvar | i guess the sorts of people who truly need zero downtime will have redundancy anyway so it's probably a moot point |
| 16:00.54 | themill | lekvar: nod |
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| 16:09.48 | Milosh | Serbia!!!!!!!! |
| 16:09.54 | Hoxzer | Milosh: ?? |
| 16:12.05 | Milosh | Serbia!!!!!!!! |
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| 16:13.10 | karsten | Dr. Scott! |
| 16:13.37 | Milosh | Serbia!!!!!!!! |
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| 16:13.48 | karsten | Milosh: Enough. |
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| 16:14.15 | Milosh | Serbia!!!!!!!! |
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| 16:14.31 | njan | Milosh, we'd prefer it if you stopped that , please. |
| 16:14.38 | Milosh | da li neko zna srpski??? |
| 16:14.47 | Milosh | ok |
| 16:14.57 | xand | english. |
| 16:15.07 | karsten | lekvar: A chroot install is "zero downtime" in the sense that until you reboot into the new system, you still have the old one available. As opposed to a standard installation in which you're booted into an install session for the duration of the install. |
| 16:15.24 | karsten | lekvar: The phrase is mine as I was the guy who documented that initially. |
| 16:15.42 | themill | karsten: works for me :) |
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| 16:18.37 | Tanja | Serbia |
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| 16:18.55 | Milosh | Serbia!!!!!!!! |
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| 16:19.00 | karsten | Tanja: Please stay on topic. |
| 16:19.02 | stew | Milosh: do you have a debian related question? |
| 16:19.09 | Tanja | why |
| 16:19.16 | Milosh | why |
| 16:19.21 | stew | Tanja: because if you don't you will be silenced |
| 16:19.29 | karsten | stew: Do it. |
| 16:19.34 | Milosh | no |
| 16:19.42 | Tanja | no pls |
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| 16:19.55 | stew | Milosh: you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 16:20.21 | Tanja | Is debian some kind of food |
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| 16:20.23 | unsolo | anyone that can help me set up lvs using heartbeat ldirectord. i have everything running but i seem to have some misconfigurations |
| 16:20.35 | stew | Tanja: you can read about debian at http://debian.org |
| 16:20.51 | karsten | unsolo: Post your info / ask your question, not sure you'll get an answer. |
| 16:20.58 | Ranpha1 | question i have 5 encrypt disk. I boot without keyboard and or keyboard and only a ssh connection. I now have to make 5 commands and a mount. Is there a way that i can start a simple script and only input one password ? |
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| 16:21.42 | lekvar | karsten: Not having read the doc the expression suggested exotic measures to me. Now that I'm looking it turns out I can probably use this. Thanks:) |
| 16:21.45 | karsten | Ronin: I think his policy is to let 'em earn it and win a chance at redemption. |
| 16:22.02 | Tanja | Milosh what do tou think? |
| 16:22.04 | karsten | lekvar: chroot install? |
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| 16:22.44 | unsolo | when i nmap the adress i get the ports i want up as filtered |
| 16:22.53 | unsolo | but for some reason i cant even telnet to it |
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| 16:23.05 | unsolo | so it seems the director doesnt redirect me |
| 16:23.08 | karsten | Ranpha1: That question didn't entirely make sense. |
| 16:23.22 | unsolo | or im not getting any answer from the server thats been directed to |
| 16:23.51 | lekvar | karsten: yes. i'll read it and get back on what i do if it seems like something people would find useful to have documented |
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| 16:24.02 | karsten | unsolo: filtered ~= closed. You're not going to be able to telnet to them. |
| 16:24.18 | karsten | lekvar: It's one of my favorite installation methods ;-) |
| 16:24.41 | unsolo | karsten they are filtered ports and they are supposed to be filtered/routed to a different server |
| 16:24.50 | unsolo | filtered = result from nmap |
| 16:25.19 | unsolo | ipvsadm seems to be correct as well |
| 16:25.30 | karsten | lekvar: The basic idea is that a Linux instal is basically a process of : preparing your disk, copying a base image onto it, configuring some basic settings (network, keyboard, language), adding a kernel, adding a bootloader. After that, just add the additional ;packages you want. |
| 16:25.33 | Ranpha1 | karsten i just want to make a script which automatic opens my encrypted disk and mounts them |
| 16:25.35 | unsolo | do i have to do anything specific at the targeted node ? |
| 16:25.45 | karsten | unsolo: Then you've got your firewall rules set up incorrectly. I'm not very good with those. |
| 16:25.59 | unsolo | hmm |
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| 16:26.23 | unsolo | karsten: on director or node ? |
| 16:27.10 | karsten | Ranpha1: How you'd do that would depend on how you've encrypted your disks. If you can use a UB token (eg: the Al(l)ad(d)in one) then you can have a hardware-based authentication mechanism. Otherwise, encrypted disks mean you have to be able to pass on your authentication token to the OS somehow. If that's coded into your startup process, you're pretty much undoing the benefit of encryption. |
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| 16:27.24 | karsten | unsolo: Somewhere. It's not clear where. |
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| 16:27.42 | unsolo | any easy way to trace it ? |
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| 16:28.09 | karsten | unsolo: Try nmapping each host in the chain until you find one where the port isn't filtered. Work from the outside in. |
| 16:28.18 | Ranpha1 | Karsten not bypassing . but they all have the same password. If i typ in that once and then it opens and mounts everthing |
| 16:28.22 | karsten | unsolo: mtr is your friend for finding hops (or traceroute). |
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| 16:28.52 | stew | mtr is not going to be his friend for this problem |
| 16:29.01 | karsten | Ranpha1: Not my area of expertise, but you should be able to do something like that in an initrd of somesort. Prompt for password, save it to environment, mount disks, go on your merry way. |
| 16:29.18 | karsten | stew: It will identify the hosts between him and his target. |
| 16:29.28 | XtypeWriter74 | Is it possible to connect to the Internet through an Ad-Hoc connection |
| 16:29.44 | karsten | XtypeWriter74: Yes. Specifics depend on specifics. |
| 16:30.03 | stew | karsten: no, it won't |
| 16:30.09 | karsten | stew: Tell. |
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| 16:30.17 | XtypeWriter74 | :D ? whats that me ? |
| 16:30.27 | stew | karsten: the director very likely has the same ip address as the nodes |
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| 16:30.46 | stew | karsten: and the director is probably not setup to route the UDP packets |
| 16:30.54 | unsolo | karsten: hmm thanks problem is it shows as filtered on the firewall open on the node.. but ill try a bit |
| 16:30.55 | karsten | stew: Um, "director" means what in this case. I'm missing context. |
| 16:31.00 | unsolo | any nice guides out there ? |
| 16:31.02 | stew | karsten: he's talking about LVS |
| 16:31.16 | XtypeWriter74 | !LVS |
| 16:31.16 | dpkg | [lvs] Linux Virtual Server is a highly scalable and highly available server built on a cluster of real servers, or http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/ |
| 16:31.18 | karsten | stew: Ah. Penny drops. Thanks. |
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| 16:31.36 | unsolo | stew: |
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| 16:31.47 | unsolo | maybe you know how to set this up properly |
| 16:31.54 | stew | karsten: so there are many machines all trying to act as if they are the same ip, the director chooses a real server to actually serve the request and forwards it using some 'magic' |
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| 16:32.01 | karsten | stew: So many concepts, 17,576 TLAs. Less for us dyslexics. |
| 16:32.06 | stew | :) |
| 16:32.07 | karsten | stew: Yeah, yeah, got it now. |
| 16:32.14 | stew | unsolo: which routing method are you using? direct routing? ipip? nat? |
| 16:32.17 | XtypeWriter74 | i am talking about accessing the internet free ... through an organisation in Berlin that offers IP... and the connection is Ad-Hoc |
| 16:32.30 | karsten | unsolo: I don't know what I'm talking about. Stew does. |
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| 16:32.37 | stew | unsolo: you are probably going to have to get familiar with tcpdump/wireshark |
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| 16:32.40 | Milosh | Serbia!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 16:32.47 | unsolo | stew: nat |
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| 16:32.54 | karsten | !beer stew |
| 16:33.04 | unsolo | stew: im a bit familiar with dcpdump |
| 16:33.05 | bee2643 | how do i tell apt to leave out certain packages in apt-get upgrade? |
| 16:33.25 | karsten | unsolo: What stew said. Wireshark's pretty slick, easy to use. Invoke it under sux for root privs. |
| 16:33.31 | stew | unsolo: so when the request comes into the director, do you see a NATed packet going out destined for one of the realservers? |
| 16:33.46 | karsten | bee2643: You can hold them, or blacklist them (though I'm not sure how). Which packages. |
| 16:33.47 | XtypeWriter74 | <karsten> i am talking about accessing the internet free ... through an organisation in Berlin that offers IP... and the connection is Ad-Hoc |
| 16:34.01 | bee2643 | yea, i need to know how to hold them |
| 16:34.13 | karsten | XtypeWriter74: I saw that, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. |
| 16:34.22 | karsten | bee2643: Loosely, by the neck. |
| 16:34.44 | karsten | bee2643: ... or invoke aptitude interactively, find package, 'h' to hold. |
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| 16:35.25 | karsten | bee2643: man aptitude for forbid-verseion, hold, unhold syntax at CLI as well. |
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| 16:37.22 | harpal | how can I get that which lan driver is appropriate for my lan card? |
| 16:37.39 | stew | harpal: /msg dpkg hcl ; try the kmuto.jp link |
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| 16:38.46 | harpal | ok thanx stew |
| 16:38.47 | unsolo | stew: im trying to se if it does |
| 16:38.51 | unsolo | but theres some noise there |
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| 16:39.26 | stew | unsolo: noise? are you limiting tcpdump by port? |
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| 16:40.54 | unsolo | yes |
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| 16:41.07 | unsolo | i belive im seeing heartbeats sync |
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| 16:41.31 | stew | unsolo: wait, the heartbeat is using the same port as the application? |
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| 16:42.10 | unsolo | http://rafb.net/p/PyHdC045.html |
| 16:43.26 | MrSWEET | type / server info flirt |
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| 16:43.59 | unsolo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.59 | unsolo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.59 | unsolo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.18 | unsolo | dont really know if thats needed at all tho |
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| 16:45.49 | unsolo | im quite new to this but i belive the setup i have is the right one |
| 16:45.56 | j35998 | where in root are kernel modules actually kept? |
| 16:46.17 | dondelelcaro | j35998: /lib/modules |
| 16:46.31 | xand | !paste |
| 16:46.31 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 16:46.38 | bee2643 | thanks :p |
| 16:46.49 | MrSWEET | hi from Turkey |
| 16:47.01 | unsolo | /lib/modules/uname -r/ |
| 16:47.04 | MrSWEET | anyone who knows english? |
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| 16:47.21 | unsolo | sorry for pasting 3 lines. |
| 16:47.25 | MrSWEET | everyone? |
| 16:47.35 | bee2643 | thanks karsten |
| 16:47.39 | bee2643 | has anyone experienced a problem where a NIC randomly drops its IP address |
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| 16:47.45 | j35998 | if i wnat to know the exact location of a specific module is there an easy way to find that out? |
| 16:47.46 | bee2643 | has anyone experienced a problem where a NIC randomly drops its IP address and it's not due to hardware failure (looking for troubleshooting tips and solutions) |
| 16:47.46 | XtypeWriter74 | !ping |
| 16:47.46 | dpkg | pong |
| 16:48.00 | XtypeWriter74 | !iwlist |
| 16:48.06 | unsolo | stew: any ideas where i should look or at what |
| 16:48.08 | petemc | bee2643: anything in dmesg or messages? |
| 16:49.01 | bee2643 | petemc, nothing out of the ordinary. Generally if i restart /etc/init.d/networking, it usually comes back up pretty fast after that |
| 16:49.27 | petemc | bee2643: dhcp? |
| 16:49.33 | bee2643 | nope, its static |
| 16:49.45 | themill | bee2643: laptop or desktop? |
| 16:49.53 | bee2643 | desktop/server |
| 16:50.06 | bee2643 | its configured as a webserver/firewall |
| 16:50.29 | bee2643 | I actually won't be surprised if it drops during this conversation, as it hasnt done it in a few minutes |
| 16:50.37 | bee2643 | if that's the case, I will be right back ;) |
| 16:50.44 | themill | bee2643: do you have some software that's writing iptables rules on the fly? |
| 16:51.00 | bee2643 | how would i check? |
| 16:51.17 | themill | bee2643: e.g. fail2ban looking for failed login attempts on ssh or apache. Don't know what else does so. |
| 16:51.40 | bee2643 | it's a pretty base install, all that was installed are packages to get apache2, php, ssl and firewall running |
| 16:51.53 | bee2643 | fail2ban is not installed. |
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| 16:52.40 | bee2643 | themill, oh, i understand what you're saying now...no, nothing like that is installed. |
| 16:52.51 | themill | bee2643: what does ifconfig look like when it's in a bad state? and iptables -L |
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| 16:53.11 | xand | :o |
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| 16:53.20 | bee2643 | themill, ifconfig looks normal, as everything is static |
| 16:53.24 | Daveman | :) |
| 16:53.45 | bee2643 | i will iptables -L when it goes offline again, which I'm fairly confident it will do so in the next few minutes |
| 16:53.48 | themill | bee2643: what do you mean by "drops its IP address" then? |
| 16:53.57 | bee2643 | it almost seems like it drops based on load |
| 16:54.36 | shogunx | avahi perhaps? |
| 16:54.38 | bee2643 | oh wait a sec, that's a good point, what do i mean....sorry, the IP address dissapears and it goes link state down |
| 16:54.41 | guillaume-fr | hello, I have a problem with sarge apache/php config, I had all php4 module version 4.3.10-22 installed but my phpinfo return php version 4.3.10-18, can u help me ? |
| 16:54.46 | bee2643 | in ifconfig |
| 16:55.05 | petemc | bee2643: there should be some mention of that in dmesg |
| 16:55.12 | unsolo | stew: think i will disable some advanced features will probably help me |
| 16:55.16 | bee2643 | i was looking at a different interface, because i have a lan nic and a wan nic, the wan nic is the one that literally drops the IP, |
| 16:55.22 | bee2643 | petemc, one sec |
| 16:55.25 | themill | bee2643: also look in daemon.log |
| 16:55.43 | bee2643 | Jul 30 08:53:53 MANDJFAX Xprt_64: No matching visual for __GLcontextMode with visual class = 0 (32775), nplanes = 8 |
| 16:55.43 | bee2643 | Jul 30 08:58:34 MANDJFAX kernel: e100: eth1: e100_watchdog: link dow |
| 16:55.46 | bee2643 | see |
| 16:55.50 | bee2643 | so it goes along doing it's thing |
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| 16:55.55 | bee2643 | and then BAM its down |
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| 16:56.22 | stew | unsolo: what port does your application run on? |
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| 16:58.09 | petemc | bee2643: have you looked at the link light on the nic? it could be a misbehaving switch, or you could force a speed/duplex setting with ethtool |
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| 16:59.10 | bee2643 | the link light goes off when the link state goes down, and the nic that's dropping to down is connected directly to a modem, which, by our ISP, has been tested and they said it's functioning correctly |
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| 16:59.34 | MoDaX | guillaume-fr: restart apache |
| 16:59.41 | angasule | ahoy, can anyone recommend me a GUI package manager for KDE other than Adept and Kpackage? I'd prefer something based on aptitude, if possible |
| 16:59.46 | petemc | bee2643: you could see if you have the same problems with another nic |
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| 17:00.19 | unsolo | stew: its www and ftp |
| 17:00.22 | MoDaX | angasule: synaptic, which is gtk |
| 17:00.30 | bee2643 | petemc, already tried, i replaced the NIC this morning and I'm experiencing the same problems |
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| 17:00.35 | petemc | bee2643: ive ran into problems with ipmi |
| 17:00.40 | angasule | MoDaX: which part of "for KDE" wasn't clear? |
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| 17:00.42 | unsolo | but its my ldirectord config generating all that trafic |
| 17:00.45 | guillaume-fr | MoDaX: I done it several times |
| 17:00.46 | unsolo | ill turn it off |
| 17:00.47 | bee2643 | that's why i said earlier that ive ruled out hardware failure |
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| 17:01.18 | chlue | Hello has anyone a link at hand, where I can read a good explanation how groups and user work on Debian? There are about 50 groups and 30 user on my system for all kind of stuff. |
| 17:01.34 | logd | hi, i did ./v4l2-ctl -c stream-typ=2 to set my tuner card mode - now /dev/video0 always says "busy" there's a way to reset it without restarting computer ? |
| 17:01.41 | guillaume-fr | MoDaX: still get phpinfo 4.3.10-18 and not 4.3.10-22 |
| 17:01.49 | MoDaX | angasule: I'm not aware of any other |
| 17:01.55 | stew | unsolo: so you should be able to tcpdump on the director ont the interface connected to the realservers and filter by "dst port 80" and hope to see a SYN packet going to one of the realservers when you try 'telnet realIP 80' |
| 17:01.58 | dondelelcaro | chlue: there's not much to explain, really. The users/groups that are there are for the most part dependant on the packages you've got installed. |
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| 17:02.11 | MoDaX | guillaume-fr: sec, I'll check on my server |
| 17:02.16 | bee2643 | petemc, ipmi isn't installed? it says command not found |
| 17:02.27 | Quintin | logd, did you try init 1 init 2 ? |
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| 17:02.44 | dondelelcaro | chlue: typically the user and/or group will be named such that it's obvious what package created the user or group. The major exception are the system users, and those are from the passwd policy amoungst other things. |
| 17:03.12 | guillaume-fr | MoDaX: i'm under the old stable |
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| 17:03.12 | logd | <Quintin> ? |
| 17:03.12 | petemc | bee2643: its a firmware thing, most likely thats not it - if you have the same issues with another nic, id blame the modem, try changing settings with ethtool |
| 17:03.38 | MoDaX | guillaume-fr: me too. says -22 here |
| 17:03.41 | petemc | bee2643: you've changed the cable too? |
| 17:03.45 | Quintin | logd, what do you not understand..? |
| 17:03.53 | logd | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.58 | logd | ^___________- |
| 17:04.02 | bee2643 | petemc, yea I changed the cable, I will talk with the ISP again |
| 17:04.04 | kombi | Mail_Mime requires PEAR Installer (version >= 1.6.0), installed version is 1.4.11 <- what do i do? |
| 17:04.08 | bee2643 | it just temporarily went down right now |
| 17:04.10 | logd | what it mean ? |
| 17:04.17 | chlue | dondelelcaro: So far the only think that I know what user controll is rightmanagement on files. Is everything on Debian realised using this rights, or is there more? |
| 17:04.21 | petemc | bee2643: do you not want to try different speed or duplex settings? |
| 17:04.21 | bee2643 | not enought to time out any connections, but it definately chocked for a few seconds |
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| 17:04.50 | bee2643 | petemc, i'd prefer not to, but I can, what is it, apt-get install ethtool? |
| 17:04.56 | petemc | aye |
| 17:05.03 | MoDaX | guillaume-fr: run `dpkg -l | grep php | awk '{print $3}' | sort |uniq` post result here |
| 17:05.05 | guillaume-fr | MoDaX: MoDaX: I use libapache-mod-php4, whith aptitude it tell me that it's installed and ok |
| 17:05.15 | bee2643 | petemc, alright, I have to wait for my upgrade to finish...shouldn't be too much longer |
| 17:05.44 | kombi | how do I get a more recent pear version in stable? |
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| 17:05.52 | unsolo | you mean telnet virtual ip :80 or wan_ip:80 right |
| 17:05.58 | dondelelcaro | chlue: that's part of it; the other aspect is the user/group with which programs and daemons run |
| 17:06.12 | Quintin | logd, are you familiar with runllevels? 1 is single user, i.e. not much going on .. 2 is normal multiuser.. so if you change to level 1 it's sort of a mini reboot. it will kill most stuff that's running. You just do init 1 as root |
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| 17:06.38 | bill_ | telinit |
| 17:06.44 | enouf | symlink |
| 17:07.40 | MoDaX | guillaume-fr: is 4.3.10-18 among results? |
| 17:07.45 | angasule | MoDaX: bummer :( if I wanted to write a front end to aptitude, any tips? like docs I should read or anything? We had lots of minor issues with Adept during the last install fest |
| 17:08.09 | MoDaX | angasule: no clue |
| 17:08.34 | chlue | dondelelcaro: currently I have the feeling everything is reduced to fileacess, while Debian threats nearly everything as a file/directory. So a restricted user is just someone who can only read a part of all files and write even fewer. |
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| 17:09.04 | guillaume-fr | MoDaX: I don't remember the adress for posting long text , do you know it ? |
| 17:09.12 | angasule | MoDaX: well, thanks anyway, I might give it a try, Kpackage is too ugly for newbies |
| 17:09.48 | MoDaX | guillaume-fr: just tell me if 4.3.10-18 is among results |
| 17:10.59 | MoDaX | guillaume-fr: if so, do `dpkg -l | grep '4.3.10-18'` to see which package(s) you still need to upgrade |
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| 17:11.00 | enouf | chlue: do "/msg dpkg permissions" without quotes in your irc client (perhaps might help) - all unix-like OSes treat most everything as a 'file' |
| 17:11.05 | guillaume-fr | MoDaX: nope 4.3.10-22 |
| 17:11.05 | unsolo | stew: http://rafb.net/p/qMccyz94.html |
| 17:11.17 | MoDaX | hmm |
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| 17:12.06 | chlue | angasule: why don't you jsut run aptitude in a shell under kde? Till now i am happy with this way, apart from the fact, that I can't copy/past stuff using the "mousebuffer". |
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| 17:12.48 | angasule | chlue: it's for newbies, I use just about any package manager depending on my mood :) |
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| 17:12.57 | microtux | !paste |
| 17:12.57 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 17:13.19 | guillaume-fr | MoDaX: dpkg -l | grep '4.3.10-18' return nothing |
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| 17:13.30 | Rigel | hi |
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| 17:14.16 | Rigel | ? |
| 17:14.18 | MoDaX | guillaume-fr: just a guess try grepping through /etc for 4.3.10-18, i.e. grep -rn '4.3.10-18' /etc |
| 17:14.21 | unsolo | err now it seems to work |
| 17:14.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: and how do you count ls #comment or some code; /* some multiline \ |
| 17:14.32 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: you'd have to write a program to do it |
| 17:14.49 | Rigel | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
| 17:15.16 | guillaume-fr | MoDaX: you can see the output at http://paste.debian.net/33694 |
| 17:15.59 | unsolo | stew: got any tips on how to sync drives and mysql ? |
| 17:16.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: or subtraction .. ('wc -l' - sloc) |
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| 17:16.43 | Rigel | apt-get does not work.. |
| 17:16.51 | Ronin | Rigel: more specific please |
| 17:17.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: i think the subtraction thing is simple enough to just do! |
| 17:17.35 | MoDaX | guillaume-fr: which packages have versions 4.3.11-0.dotde, 4.3.10-1, 4.3.10-2 and 4.3.10-4? |
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| 17:18.18 | Rigel | sure.. apt-get update, package list ok, dependency tree ok, not possible to check package list |
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| 17:18.40 | guillaume-fr | MoDaX: http://paste.debian.net/33695 |
| 17:18.54 | Nach | I'm on Sid x86-64, how can I install Java support so I can use Java Applets in Ice Weasel and Konqueror? |
| 17:19.16 | bee2643 | petemc, what do you suggest i do with ethtool? |
| 17:19.18 | MoDaX | guillaume-fr: ok |
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| 17:20.03 | spheard | hmm, anyones any ideas on why this is doing this? http://www.moonet.co.uk/webalizer/usage_200707.html#TOPSITES |
| 17:20.17 | MoDaX | Nach: you can't (all thanks go to sun), you need to setup/install 32bit firefox and 32bit java/java plugin |
| 17:20.36 | Nach | MoDaX: I have a 32 bit chroot |
| 17:20.46 | kombi | to add user redpill to group bluepill, what do i do again? |
| 17:20.56 | MoDaX | Nach: ah sorry, java might work in 64bit konqueror |
| 17:21.00 | stew | unsolo: look at drbd/gfs ; if you need mutiple nodes that need write access it can be very hard. if you need multiple database servers that have write access to the datbase, you probably don't want mysql |
| 17:21.07 | MoDaX | just install jre |
| 17:21.12 | vulture | adduser kombi monkeys |
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| 17:21.38 | vulture | sorry - that creates as well as adding them to the group |
| 17:21.47 | guillaume-fr | MoDaX: http://paste.debian.net/33697 |
| 17:21.52 | kombi | vulture: I was gonna say.. |
| 17:21.55 | MoDaX | Nach: then install sun-java6-plugin on chroot |
| 17:22.04 | vulture | um.. nope, it works according to the manual |
| 17:22.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: assuming the nubmers are correct |
| 17:22.13 | MoDaX | Nach: available in debian non-free repository |
| 17:22.26 | vulture | "if called with two non-option arguments, adduser will add an existing user to an existing group" |
| 17:22.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: right. i give no warranties |
| 17:22.30 | vulture | (aka: RTFM) |
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| 17:22.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: if you reload http://asdfasdf.debian.net/~tar/lina/ i've thought of some more tests... |
| 17:22.42 | Nach | The following packages have unmet dependencies: sun-java6-jre: Depends: sun-java6-bin (= 6-01-1) but it is not going to be installed or ia32-sun-java6-bin (= 6-01-1) but it is not going to be installed |
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| 17:23.01 | sigp239 | I compiled the driver that is supposed to support my webcam. It's a file called uvcvideo.ko. What do I do with it now that it's compiled? |
| 17:23.06 | chlue | enouf: Thanks, the links helped. There is one thing I open. If I set group permissions for something. Do this permissions only apply to the primary group of the owner of the file? (So anyone who want to 'use' this rights need to be part of the group, the owner of the file has as his primary group?) |
| 17:23.08 | kombi | vulture: just can't remember the friggin command, something mod... |
| 17:23.15 | kombi | usermod! |
| 17:23.28 | stew | kombi: what is wrong with the command he gave you? |
| 17:23.31 | vulture | kombi: Just "adduser" |
| 17:23.45 | Nach | MoDaX: any idea how to get around this problem? |
| 17:23.55 | vulture | man adduser, then look under the topic "Add an existing user to an existing group" |
| 17:23.59 | kombi | point taken.. |
| 17:24.00 | guillaume-fr | MoDaX: Do you see something wrong with these packages ? |
| 17:24.33 | MoDaX | guillaume-fr: seems ok. I'm clueless what else it could be.... |
| 17:25.24 | MoDaX | Nach: apt-get update. java6 was fixed recently |
| 17:25.38 | Nach | I did update :/ |
| 17:25.51 | guillaume-fr | MoDaX: I had virtual site do you think I can reconfigure all packages apache-php without loosing them ? |
| 17:26.15 | Nach | let me go try the main mirror |
| 17:26.16 | MoDaX | Nach: the latest is 6-02-1. choose another mirror |
| 17:26.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: don't you think that picture might be a bit inapprorpiate to link to ? |
| 17:26.45 | bee2643 | petemc, what do you suggest i do with ethtool? |
| 17:26.47 | guillaume-fr | MoDaX: you can see the phpinfo output here http://www.rlconsultant.fr/sites/flashtourisme/tiki-phpinfo.php |
| 17:26.48 | enouf | chlue: apologies, I'm having a bit of trouble understanding your question, and I certainly do not yet fully comprehend how all variations of group/ownership/umask/users/permissions/attributes combinations are to be interpreted |
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| 17:27.22 | MoDaX | guillaume-fr: error |
| 17:27.58 | guillaume-fr | MoDaX: yes I know it's certainly due to my php problem, i f you try to reload page it must be ok |
| 17:27.59 | kombi | anyway, the command I was searching is usermod -G redpill bluepill, maybe my brain isn't completely dried up yet..;) |
| 17:28.06 | Nach | MoDaX: now using deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable non-free contrib main, it's not working :/ |
| 17:28.06 | logd | hi - how's it possible that with 'Full Nat' enabled in kernel config ... iptable -t nat says it misses the table ? |
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| 17:28.56 | MoDaX | Nach: ftp.debian.org is lagging behind and generally is unreliable |
| 17:28.57 | guillaume-fr | MoDaX: sorry i'd forget that a logging is needed before for this adress |
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| 17:29.19 | Nach | MoDaX: what do you recommend then? |
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| 17:29.21 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
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| 17:29.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: maybe, i though it's fun? can i not put some "hey look this link is not to harass anyone, it's just LOL" or something? |
| 17:29.32 | chlue | enouf: I want to know to whom the rights for the group apply. I think it well be either everyone who is in a least one group, whe owner of a file is, too. Or it will be for all users, who are in the group, the user has as his primary group. I think I try it out. |
| 17:29.50 | abrotman | tarzeau: sure .. why not .. your humour hasn't failed you yet |
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| 17:30.18 | unsolo | stew: what about cluster mysql |
| 17:30.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: that was ironic? i mean it failed often, but then when people know me irl, they often "understand" (or maybe "oh well, he IS so, don't bother") |
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| 17:30.42 | MoDaX | Nach: ftp.de.debian.org is ok for me |
| 17:30.49 | guillaume-fr | MoDaX: http://www.rlconsultant.fr/sites/flashtourisme/phpinfo.php |
| 17:30.55 | Nach | got it :) |
| 17:30.55 | Nach | thanks |
| 17:31.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: i mean a link to itself would be boring, can you think of something else associated with lina to link to? |
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| 17:31.44 | TiMiDo | hey |
| 17:31.51 | Nach | MoDaX: once this is installed, Ice Weasel and Konqueror should have no problem using it? |
| 17:31.57 | TiMiDo | how come i get this error message when i try running xmms Segmentation fault |
| 17:32.10 | tarzeau | TiMiDo: it tries to do something it may not |
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| 17:32.19 | tarzeau | TiMiDo: or you've got buggy hardware. which version of it? |
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| 17:32.34 | TiMiDo | tarzeau, what version of xmms? |
| 17:32.38 | tarzeau | TiMiDo: yes |
| 17:32.41 | TiMiDo | xmms 1.2.10 |
| 17:32.48 | tarzeau | sussudio: can i have your irc log files? |
| 17:32.54 | tarzeau | TiMiDo: checked BTS yet? |
| 17:33.03 | MoDaX | Nach: 64bit konqueror will use it. as for iceweasel you need to install sun-java6-plugin and iceweasel in 32bit chroot and use that |
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| 17:33.25 | unsolo | stew: so using drbd + raid6 on two nodes could act as a network redundant storage unit right |
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| 17:35.04 | MoDaX | guillaume-fr: hmm, you should reboot? |
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| 17:35.23 | MoDaX | guillaume-fr: maybe leftover apache processes are still running |
| 17:35.48 | dkr | oops, make sure you apply your bind security updates. was rejecting mail from some folks because couldn't resolve their domains. applied update, and now it works |
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| 17:36.24 | stew | unsolo: i don't know anything about clustering mysql |
| 17:36.30 | MoDaX | guillaume-fr: stop apache with /etc/init./apache stop. killall apache processes. then /etc/init.d/apache start |
| 17:36.48 | MoDaX | guillaume-fr: err, /etc/init.d/apache stop |
| 17:37.00 | unsolo | stew: ok np.. ill study it some more. |
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| 17:37.13 | stew | unsolo: yes, two drbd nodes create redundant storage, but last i looked, you can't let both have write access at the same time |
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| 17:37.32 | superstition | how can i get the params of the official configure for an deb packet |
| 17:37.35 | MoDaX | guillaume-fr: are you sure you don't have chroot on that machine or something? |
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| 17:37.52 | superstition | sorry, configure params |
| 17:37.54 | unsolo | stew: if both are in primary mode i belive it can |
| 17:38.05 | unsolo | requires gfs or similar |
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| 17:38.39 | stew | unsolo: ok. last time looked, having both be primary was experimental at best |
| 17:38.51 | ErkiDerLoony | Hi! Since the last update my xorg won't start any more. |
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| 17:39.12 | stew | !drxx ErkiDerLoony |
| 17:39.12 | dpkg | ErkiDerLoony: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 17:39.13 | Nach | MoDaX: I can't find any such packages |
| 17:39.21 | ErkiDerLoony | It just prints "default cursor font" not found. |
| 17:39.32 | stew | oh, that's something different |
| 17:39.34 | TiMiDo | !telnet |
| 17:39.34 | dpkg | i heard telnet is an old protocol for remotely logging in to another computer. It is one of the basic utilities for TCP/IP. It is very insecure as it sends all traffic in plaintext! Seriously consider using ssh instead. see telnet-ssl, this one has encryption and certificates support (but that's useless without a remote telnetd-ssl except to play and telnet to an https web server) |
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| 17:40.45 | chlue | omg do I need a special config to use the KDE's ability to login with a second user, or is the fact that my system locks up when I try this, one of this nice fglrx problems? |
| 17:40.50 | ErkiDerLoony | stew: I already tried that. |
| 17:40.57 | unsolo | stew: ok |
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| 17:41.34 | guillaume-fr | MoDaX: great !!!! thk you it works, but I hadn't to kill process that I found strange... just stop and start work, I thought that reload were equal to those commands |
| 17:41.34 | MoDaX | Nach: in 32bit sid chroot |
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| 17:41.50 | abrotman | tarzeau: whatever .. it's not my page |
| 17:41.55 | stew | ErkiDerLoony: iirc the last time I saw that it was a bug in artwiz-cursor or something. do you have this package installed? |
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| 17:42.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'll replace it with something neutral short before an announce |
| 17:42.20 | MoDaX | guillaume-fr: no no, reload just reloads configuration settings from config files. stop&start equivalent is restart |
| 17:42.27 | Nach | MoDaX: yes, no such packages |
| 17:42.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: we'll see |
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| 17:42.51 | MoDaX | Nach: non-free enabled? |
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| 17:43.21 | ErkiDerLoony | stew: Yes I do. I shall try to remove it. |
| 17:43.28 | Nach | MoDaX: of course |
| 17:43.42 | stew | ErkiDerLoony: check the bts for that package |
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| 17:44.58 | MoDaX | Nach: then it is there, because http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/sun-java6-plugin |
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| 17:46.03 | ErkiDerLoony | stew: bts? I removed it and xfonts-artwiz and now it seems to run again! Thanks! |
| 17:46.14 | hark | not amd64 |
| 17:46.57 | stew | ErkiDerLoony: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 17:47.34 | jovans | :maint SL |
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| 17:47.49 | Pask_ | ciao a tutti, ho provato ad installare debian, il testing, ma ad un certo punto dell'installazione si blocca, quando skarika i pacchetti.. poi ho rimesso la stable ma la connessione ad internet non va, anche se dice che sono connesso... qualcuno ha idea di come potrei risolvere? uso un router wireless D-Link |
| 17:47.54 | stew | !it |
| 17:47.54 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 17:48.43 | disq | hey, i have a strange problem. vmware, lenny/sid. on bootup eth0 is found and registered (pcnet32) but there's no eth0 device afterwards when i log in. any ideas? |
| 17:48.55 | tarzeau | disq: did you change network cards? |
| 17:49.04 | stew | disq: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 17:49.34 | disq | ah, thanks. it was registered as eth2. silly me, didn't think of ifconfig -a |
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| 17:50.36 | Supaplex | disq: if you run the guest tools, a higher performance 'vmnet/vmware' ethernet device will be used. |
| 17:51.26 | disq | i'll install it as soon as i get eth2 as eth0 :) (i was missing some deps) |
| 17:53.45 | xand | also, /msg dpkg vmware :P |
| 17:54.33 | disq | it wasn't a vmware problem because the card was recognized on dmesg. vmware is silly i know :) |
| 17:55.07 | jmoiron | sorta(?) found out my problem with the routes |
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| 17:56.20 | jmoiron | http://pastebin.ca/639584 <-- these additions (taken from the ubuntu dhclient-script) seem to have fixed the problem |
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| 17:56.43 | jmoiron | the proper network is added to the routing table before the gateway now |
| 17:57.11 | jmoiron | not sure what changes it was though; the changelog on those diffs seem to be from 2005 |
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| 17:58.23 | guillaume-fr | MoDaX: I have segmentation faults (11) with a tikiwiki install into my apache error log, do you know what it mean ? |
| 17:58.51 | MoDaX | apache segfaults |
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| 17:59.04 | MoDaX | i.e. crashes |
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| 17:59.12 | Gathond | probably that some extension module used by that page has problems |
| 17:59.21 | Gathond | php, perl, whatever tikiwiki is written in |
| 18:00.05 | guillaume-fr | Gathond: I use all sarge default packages |
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| 18:02.02 | guillaume-fr | and the problem doesn't occur every time... |
| 18:02.11 | Gathond | probably not |
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| 18:04.08 | guillaume-fr | is ther a way to solve these error with log or anything else ? |
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| 18:04.52 | guillaume-fr | in order to see what is the thing that crash |
| 18:05.19 | Gathond | its probably difficult, unless you can track down where in the script it occurs, tikiwiki is some form of script right? php, perl, cgi, whatever?' |
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| 18:05.49 | guillaume-fr | Gathond: php but as apache crash, I can't obtain debug info |
| 18:06.03 | guillaume-fr | what about strace apache ? |
| 18:06.29 | Gathond | you could strace apache, or use gdb or some other debugger |
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| 18:06.50 | Gathond | but if its not consistent it could prove difficult to track which thread crashes |
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| 18:07.39 | guillaume-fr | ok |
| 18:07.48 | Gathond | you might be able to reduce that if you have the posibility of reducing apache to run only one thread though |
| 18:07.53 | Supaplex | or enable coredumps |
| 18:08.01 | Gathond | then again doing so could make the problem go away:) |
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| 18:08.32 | Gathond | Supaplex: ahh, yeah probably a better idea |
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| 18:10.15 | guillaume-fr | Supaplex: it's in httpd.conf settings ? |
| 18:10.57 | Supaplex | partially. coredumps will endup in serverroot |
| 18:11.08 | Supaplex | there's ulimit to consider to |
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| 18:12.06 | Supaplex | guillaume-fr: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=apache-modperl&m=109967075719216&w=2 |
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| 18:17.04 | Supaplex | guillaume-fr: you're going to get little satisfaction from bug hunting in sarge. I suggest you upgrade to etch soon. good luck with that either way. |
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| 18:19.21 | julesa | I'd like to get a list of packages that are available for upgrade after running apt-get update. From a script. Is there a way to say "apt-get upgrade", have it say "n" so I can pipe it to mail? or am I thinking about it the wrong way? |
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| 18:19.30 | julesa | Do I have to bust out expect? |
| 18:19.40 | stew | julesa: use -s |
| 18:19.52 | julesa | stew: I'll give that a shake. Thank you. |
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| 18:20.24 | julesa | stew: Perfect! Thank you very much. |
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| 18:23.43 | mystic_pinguin | what do you think is the best laptop to linux? the ibm or the dell? |
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| 18:24.49 | julesa | mystic_pinguin: I'm really happy with the ThinkPad X60. |
| 18:24.58 | mystic_pinguin | i really hate this money and suport stuff i callto asus tocatch one litle information and nathing anyone thereuse linux this is unbealiver one calll and nathing ... |
| 18:25.01 | mystic_pinguin | :x |
| 18:25.34 | julesa | mystic_pinguin: If you want support get one of the Dells running Ubuntu. |
| 18:25.40 | mystic_pinguin | julesa the finger print tolinux itworks fine? |
| 18:25.45 | bee2643 | petemc, I have tried setting to half duplex, and full duplex, as well as both speed 10 and speed 100 to no avail, I'm still dropping off |
| 18:25.56 | julesa | mystic_pinguin: I didn't enable it. It's nothing something that I need. But I hear it's possible. |
| 18:25.58 | mystic_pinguin | julesa isworks ubuntu works debian |
| 18:25.59 | stew | julesa: dell doesn't ship laptops with ubuntu |
| 18:26.13 | julesa | stew: They do now. |
| 18:26.19 | julesa | stew: It's a recent thing. |
| 18:26.36 | stew | julesa: recent like since thursday? (which is the last time i specifically looked for this) |
| 18:26.44 | guillaume-fr | Supaplex: I think to upgrade on etch but it's lot of work cause I use old apache and old mysql and have only one server... |
| 18:26.54 | julesa | The thinkpad works almost out of the box. You have to twiddle suspend but that's it. |
| 18:26.59 | julesa | stew: Yep! |
| 18:27.23 | julesa | stew: http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs |
| 18:27.41 | Supaplex | abrotman: patches welcome :) |
| 18:27.43 | mystic_pinguin | julesa i listen thatarepersons working whith asus g1 butisto much expensive to :x |
| 18:27.53 | stew | julesa: thanks |
| 18:27.56 | abrotman | Supaplex: it's freaking stupid .. mysql isn't even a database! :) |
| 18:28.05 | Supaplex | abrotman: I know :) |
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| 18:28.41 | abrotman | they have flypaper .. but the versoin in etch only works with php4+pgsql .. which is useless |
| 18:28.41 | stew | oh, i wasn't considering the consumer grade ones when i looked before |
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| 18:28.47 | julesa | mystic_pinguin: You could also send it to emperor linux and they would do it for you. They do a great job. |
| 18:29.15 | Quintin | uhm |
| 18:29.18 | mystic_pinguin | julesa i dont understand sorry :x |
| 18:29.20 | Quintin | mysql is a database.. :P |
| 18:29.33 | mystic_pinguin | whatlinux emperor? |
| 18:29.36 | mystic_pinguin | lol |
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| 18:29.56 | abrotman | Quintin: that's like saying a Yugo is a car |
| 18:30.01 | Quintin | meh. |
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| 18:30.05 | Quintin | it works perfectly fine for me |
| 18:30.11 | abrotman | Quintin: yep .. it has four wheels and an engine .. and that's where it stops :) |
| 18:30.36 | julesa | mystic_pinguin: http://www.emperorlinux.com/depot/ -- yours might not be on there but it might be worth talking to them to see if they'll do it for you. |
| 18:30.56 | julesa | mystic_pinguin: They'll want money for this service of course. But cheaper than a new laptop. |
| 18:31.10 | jedir0x | Hi, I just installed a Dell branded IBM Ultrium-TD4 tape drive (and controller card) onto one of my debian machines (going to use it for backup). I can see it when i cat /proc/scsi/scsi, (Host: scsi1 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00) Vendor: IBM Model: ULTRIUM-TD4 Rev: 7381 - but i can't find it's device file, /dev/nst0 isn't working with |
| 18:31.13 | Quintin | mystic_pinguin, what is your problem? |
| 18:31.15 | jedir0x | amtapetype |
| 18:31.22 | mystic_pinguin | julesa thank you very much |
| 18:31.42 | jedir0x | is there another way i can determine it's device file? |
| 18:31.51 | mystic_pinguin | Quintin well im searchingfor one laptop ... but ... i cant see much reference about the linux if the sound work this stuff :x |
| 18:31.57 | mystic_pinguin | basic stuff ... |
| 18:32.37 | jedir0x | wait, found it |
| 18:32.38 | jedir0x | st0 |
| 18:32.38 | jedir0x | :) |
| 18:32.49 | julesa | mystic_pinguin: What's your budget? |
| 18:33.08 | mystic_pinguin | julesa well i was thinking about one asus a7s ... |
| 18:33.22 | mystic_pinguin | A7S-7S015C $\ quality is the best |
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| 18:33.56 | julesa | mystic_pinguin: That's a US$1700. My ThinkPad X60 was less than that. |
| 18:34.39 | mystic_pinguin | julesa yes but for this money 7500 nvidia 8400 whith 896MB DDR Turbocache 2 gigas 200 hd ... |
| 18:34.50 | mystic_pinguin | 17 wxga+ |
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| 18:35.09 | julesa | mystic_pinguin: Sounds like you'll be playing games. |
| 18:35.31 | mystic_pinguin | julesa im hibrid im thinking install linux \ mac \ windows here |
| 18:36.13 | julesa | mystic_pinguin: Ah, ok. Sorry, I can't be of much help to you. My needs revolve around writing code and portability. |
| 18:36.17 | mystic_pinguin | julesa for the games i have this desktop look is the bets i can get here ... whith one 7100 17 wxga+ |
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| 18:36.56 | mystic_pinguin | is the low price i can get here in my place |
| 18:37.06 | mystic_pinguin | whith santa rose and 17 wxga |
| 18:37.17 | mystic_pinguin | is thelowest ... in myplacewhere i live |
| 18:37.28 | spheard | hmm, anyones any ideas on why this is doing this? http://www.moonet.co.uk/webalizer/usage_200707.html#TOPSITES |
| 18:37.56 | mystic_pinguin | i can get one g1 butto much expensive to me :x |
| 18:38.04 | mystic_pinguin | i know the g1works butnot this one :x |
| 18:38.17 | abrotman | spheard: didn't we tell you yesterday ? |
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| 18:38.44 | spheard | abrotman: oh hi, no you didnt |
| 18:38.58 | spheard | well you did, and as far as I can tell, yes they are |
| 18:39.06 | spheard | (the same, the log format) |
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| 18:40.35 | onur | Hi. I have a big problem. My fonts is not equal everywhere. In xfce4 menu or thunar or window titles, font is very small, in firefox font is normal. I tried startx -- -dpi 96 it's not working |
| 18:40.41 | onur | do you have any idea? |
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| 18:42.21 | mystic_pinguin | i really need too check it bether :x julesa thanks :) |
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| 18:43.25 | n0mad | what are your experiences with wajig ? is it production ready ? is purge-orphans safe ? |
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| 18:50.50 | valdyn | n0mad: certainly not 'safe' |
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| 18:51.45 | randoman | hey guys anyone know why im getting this, httpd: bad user name www-data, while running chroot /chrootdir /wwwroot/bin/httpd. But if I run it normal with no chroot. it works flawlessly |
| 18:51.47 | randoman | any ides? |
| 18:52.04 | randoman | and the /etc/passwd is in the new chrootdir |
| 18:52.13 | randoman | along with all other files required by apache |
| 18:53.15 | shogunx | randoman, /chroot/etc/shadow have a www-data user in it? |
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| 18:54.30 | randoman | yes |
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| 18:55.17 | randoman | it worked when I chrooted apache1.3 |
| 18:55.20 | randoman | and still does work |
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| 18:56.03 | itchi | Hi, how can i define the default language of my system? |
| 18:56.38 | randoman | see ls -l /proc/pid gives me this when i chroot pache1.3 |
| 18:56.38 | randoman | root -> /home/chroot |
| 18:56.56 | randoman | but apache2 is giving me trouble |
| 18:57.23 | itchi | I thought it was to do with dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 19:00.23 | randoman | I just dont know |
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| 19:01.45 | itchi | It is in french but i want to put it back to english. I want to define the X session per user and not globaly |
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| 19:02.20 | abrotman | itchi: it is |
| 19:02.35 | kervan | how can I install "hotplug" at debian 4. When I work "apt-get install hotplug" It removes Gnome And System Kernel. Can any body help me please? |
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| 19:03.17 | abrotman | kervan: hotplug is dead |
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| 19:03.39 | itchi | abrotman: dpkg-reconfigure locales dont ask me about the language, just the keyboard layout. I have set that back to "us" to :-p My wife gona complain that she need to work with a qwerty :-p |
| 19:03.53 | kervan | But I need it to install my wireless card. are there a alternetive of hotplug? |
| 19:03.57 | stew | kervan: udev should replace any functionality you are looking for from hotplug |
| 19:04.04 | abrotman | should ... |
| 19:04.12 | doschdn | hi. i just installed the irqbalance package to see if it resolves some irq problems on my machine, but it doesn't seem to do anything. the manual says, i need to turn off CONFIG_IRQBALANCE if i'm using a 2.6 kernel, but there is no such option. so no first of all, i'd like to know wether the debian kernel actually supports irqbalance or wether i need to compile an own kernel. |
| 19:04.16 | abrotman | itchi: didyou logout/login |
| 19:04.16 | abrotman | ? |
| 19:04.17 | stew | kervan: i'm guessing you think you need hotplug for firmware loading? |
| 19:04.29 | itchi | Anyway, just a temp fix, gona buy her a new keyboard; heh that Microsoft keyboard is broke |
| 19:04.40 | itchi | abrotman: Not yet, i'm working remotely on it |
| 19:05.11 | kervan | really I dont know why do I need hotplug. only I read a document for installing intel wireless cards. and I needed to install hotplug. |
| 19:05.16 | itchi | abrotman: hhmm, look english now :-) |
| 19:05.25 | itchi | bah, looks* |
| 19:06.02 | itchi | I now need to define the language in KDE :-p |
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| 19:06.29 | litb | hello |
| 19:06.39 | litb | has emacs22 arrived in testing? |
| 19:06.40 | stew | kervan: yes, it was for firmware loadin, which udev will do. which chipset? 2100? 2200? 3945? |
| 19:06.44 | ricky | Hi! |
| 19:06.45 | stew | litb: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 19:07.20 | kervan | stew : 2100 |
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| 19:07.51 | stew | !ipw2100 |
| 19:07.51 | dpkg | hmm... ipw2100 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2100-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. For help try #ipw2100 or http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net. It's built in to kernels >= 2.6.15 and you need a 2.6 kernel to compile it |
| 19:08.32 | stew | kervan: it should already be part of your kernel, you should just need to download the firmware from sourceforge.net and unpack it into /lib/firmware/ |
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| 19:11.27 | kervan | stew: is ipw2100-source and firmware same? |
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| 19:11.56 | stew | kervan: no, forget ipw2100-source, you just need to download firmware from http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net |
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| 19:12.46 | stew | kervan: you'll need to get it for your specific driver version which you can find out by running "/sbin/modinfo ipw2100" |
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| 19:13.51 | DragonD | i'm running xfce4 and it's showing my jumpdrive sdc1 on the desktop and i can right click and select mount, how do i make it do that for my windows drive? |
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| 19:14.58 | maxamillion | DragonD: you might need to install hal and/or udev and even then might need to add it to the /etc/fstab |
| 19:15.00 | _Sam-- | hey is anyone using the amazon s3 storage service? im wondering how it would work for serving our web images from? |
| 19:15.02 | kervan | stew: http://rafb.net/p/5gWdyQ49.html does this mean ipw2100 installed successfully? |
| 19:15.29 | deb_usr | hi all |
| 19:15.50 | deb_usr | is there a debian package to read dvd videos ?? |
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| 19:15.59 | DragonD | maxamillion: i have hal and udev and the usp drive is not in the fstab |
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| 19:16.02 | DragonD | usb* |
| 19:16.07 | deb_usr | i'm using debian4 |
| 19:16.11 | deb_usr | under gnome |
| 19:16.49 | stew | kervan: yes, and it means you should download the firmware for the 1.2.2 version and put it in /lib/firmware |
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| 19:17.54 | maxamillion | DragonD: right, the usb drive isn't in /etc/fstab because it is managed by usbmount and doesn't need to b |
| 19:17.57 | maxamillion | be* |
| 19:18.04 | maxamillion | DragonD: but hard drives are different |
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| 19:20.29 | stew | deb_usr: there is libdvdread3, what exactly are you trying to do? if you are lookign for a media player to play dvds, look for things that link to this library: "apt-cache rdepends libdvdread3" |
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| 19:21.41 | stew | nice tail |
| 19:22.02 | DragonD | ok i don't get it.. write support for ntfs is in the kernel but debian still won't let me write to ntfs |
| 19:22.04 | Ronin | theres somethign he doesn't hear every day i bet |
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| 19:22.37 | deb_usr | stew : i need just to read dvds |
| 19:22.52 | deb_usr | stew : what is the name of the reader ? |
| 19:22.55 | stew | deb_usr: mount /dev/dvd /mountpoint |
| 19:23.07 | deb_usr | stew : and ? |
| 19:23.14 | stew | deb_usr: ls /mountpoint |
| 19:23.24 | deb_usr | stew : how to play dvd video ? |
| 19:23.40 | DragonD | stew: i would have said cat /mountpoint/* |
| 19:23.49 | stew | deb_usr: use a media player such as vlc,xine,mplayer,ogle |
| 19:23.53 | DragonD | deb_usr: vlc or mplayer |
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| 19:24.20 | stew | deb_usr: if you need to decrypt encrypted dvds, debian does not include such software, you'll have to look elsewhere |
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| 19:25.33 | deb_usr | stew : ok |
| 19:25.36 | deb_usr | i'll try |
| 19:26.01 | Supaplex | does the mm repo have them? |
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| 19:26.57 | crackintosh | if I do 'ssh -D 1080 user@host' to setup a socks proxy, how do I access the remote services within a client application? would I connect via localhost:1080 ? |
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| 19:28.58 | alaya | !hibernate |
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| 19:29.02 | alaya | pfft |
| 19:29.04 | Supaplex | crackintosh: some applications might support that. eg, web browsers have "use proxy for local addresses" - but that might not even work for your situation. |
| 19:29.11 | Supaplex | !suspend |
| 19:29.11 | dpkg | it has been said that suspend is check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required or suspend2 (msg dpkg about - works for me beautifully!!) |
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| 19:30.42 | alaya | thanks Supaplex. regardless of whether I try to suspend to RAM or hibernate, it goes as far as "Suspending console(s)" then just freezes. It also looks like it tries to suspend to disk even when I press suspend to RAM hotkey |
| 19:30.52 | DevilChaos | hi folks got some problems with networking doing an apt-get update and cant get online connection refused 111 |
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| 19:31.13 | mhall | !tell me about nfs |
| 19:31.27 | DevilChaos | any suggestions? |
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| 19:31.39 | Supaplex | try a different mirror? |
| 19:31.46 | DevilChaos | portmap was suggested but i stopped it and it stillwont let me on |
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| 19:32.43 | DevilChaos | ok mirror list please? |
| 19:32.46 | jetscreamer | how would one redo the entire tag? structure of the entire debian repository.... like a better dewey decimal system or something, sections/headers/kind/type |
| 19:32.51 | LightKnight | !mirrors |
| 19:32.51 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
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| 19:33.07 | jetscreamer | apt-spy is/was borked somebody fix the factoid |
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| 19:33.16 | deb_usr | how can i do if i want to play encripted videos ? |
| 19:33.24 | jetscreamer | libvdcss2 |
| 19:33.34 | jetscreamer | err libdvdcss2 |
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| 19:33.49 | jetscreamer | !debian-multimedia |
| 19:33.49 | dpkg | somebody said debian-multimedia was a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 19:33.50 | crackintosh | Supaplex: you are saying that the client app has to support connecting via socks proxy? |
| 19:33.51 | jetscreamer | do that |
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| 19:34.04 | Supaplex | crackintosh: yes |
| 19:34.21 | jetscreamer | not sure if the new sony arc-whatever encryption is supported yet or how |
| 19:35.41 | deb_usr | how can i do if i want to play encripted videos ? |
| 19:35.51 | jetscreamer | i just told you, deb_usr |
| 19:35.55 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 19:36.11 | jetscreamer | !tell deb_usr -about debian-multimedia |
| 19:36.13 | Supaplex | !tell deb_usr -about debian-multimedia |
| 19:36.21 | Supaplex | deb_usr: hint :P |
| 19:36.24 | jetscreamer | !tell deb_usr -about libdvdcss2 |
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| 19:37.09 | Maliuta | but it's encripted ... I think that has something to do with cripping, not encryption |
| 19:37.11 | milmazz | Hi, anybody try to connect a Cinema HD Display (Mac Monitor) to Lenovo t60? |
| 19:37.28 | Supaplex | you mean encrypted |
| 19:37.48 | jetscreamer | this new libata thing... one good thing, is i have the drive that's doing the click of death, and the libata keeps soft-resetting it and dd picks up where it left off... shame it didn't keep working |
| 19:38.06 | jetscreamer | it kinda got smaller & smaller till it didn't work anymore :/ |
| 19:38.09 | DevilChaos | change of mirror un affective |
| 19:38.13 | Maliuta | Supaplex: <deb_usr> how can i do if i want to play encripted videos ? |
| 19:38.27 | Maliuta | nothing about encrypted files in that :) |
| 19:38.32 | jetscreamer | i think Maliuta is making a joce |
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| 19:38.35 | jetscreamer | err joke |
| 19:38.41 | Supaplex | try spelling it right |
| 19:38.45 | Shadur | Argh. Last sid upgrade hosed X. |
| 19:38.51 | jetscreamer | uh oh |
| 19:38.57 | jetscreamer | i'm upgrading atm |
| 19:39.04 | jetscreamer | what did it hose |
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| 19:39.34 | DevilChaos | has there been a new installer out for deb? |
| 19:39.39 | jetscreamer | limpio: clean something! |
| 19:39.46 | limpio | hehe |
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| 19:40.06 | limpio | hi, what's the command to change mirrors? |
| 19:40.14 | jetscreamer | edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:40.20 | Shadur | jetscreamer: Not sure. Xorg.log starts correctly, then at the last moment tosses out a signal 11. |
| 19:40.21 | jetscreamer | try nano -w or gedit |
| 19:40.32 | jetscreamer | mc-edit |
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| 19:40.59 | limpio | jetscreamer, the thing i don't know the name of mirror |
| 19:41.03 | jetscreamer | Shadur: well i'm about to find out the hard way, stuff was already installing |
| 19:41.35 | limpio | is there a way to get a list of mirrors according to country? |
| 19:41.44 | jetscreamer | limpio: an example can be found on linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list ... change the country codes, make sure you're using the right 'flavor' of debian in the sources.list |
| 19:41.52 | jetscreamer | or whatever |
| 19:41.59 | limpio | ok, thx |
| 19:42.03 | jetscreamer | there's a list somewhere on debian.org also |
| 19:42.16 | jetscreamer | !tell limpio -about mirrors |
| 19:42.18 | DevilChaos | ok so what can i try now? |
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| 19:42.59 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 19:43.10 | jetscreamer | not you i have no idea bout you |
| 19:43.44 | keith4 | is there a debian-ized way to keep a process running, with some sort of watchdog? |
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| 19:44.25 | jetscreamer | i love this: The kernel version running is the same as the one being installed |
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| 19:47.05 | DragonD | anyonw here do php editing? if so what editor do you use? |
| 19:47.56 | keith4 | emacs |
| 19:48.05 | dondelelcaro | I try to use find . -type f -iname '*.php' -o -iname '*.phtml' -print0|xargs -0 rm -f; as much as possible. But if you don't want to delete it, vim or emacs works fine. |
| 19:48.05 | Olgem | nano |
| 19:48.10 | Blwood | gedit ^^ |
| 19:48.17 | Olgem | NANO >:O |
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| 19:48.26 | keith4 | emacs with php-elisp package |
| 19:48.36 | keith4 | !editor |
| 19:48.36 | dpkg | somebody said editor was Something used to edit (change, create, modify, append, remove stuff from) files. There are both text editors and binary editors. vi and emacs (or flavors of same) are the standard *nix editors, though n00b5 might find nano, gedit, nedit, etc., more useful. The usual difference between, say, an editor and a word processor is that editors _just_ do plain text. See also binary editor. |
| 19:49.04 | keith4 | !flamewars |
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| 19:49.59 | DragonD | hmmm. so vi emacs or gedit.... |
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| 19:53.32 | kervan | Where is debians firmware directory? Please. |
| 19:54.38 | keith4 | hotplug firmware? |
| 19:54.44 | keith4 | it looks in several places |
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| 19:55.16 | keith4 | iirc, /lib/firmware, and /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware, at the least |
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| 19:55.58 | Danielss89 | hehe, ive just deleted a lot of files on my server via FTP.. is it possible to undo this, somehow? |
| 19:56.13 | keith4 | load from backup |
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| 19:56.44 | xand | why do the fonts on http://www.theregister.co.uk/ look awful in iceweasel? :| |
| 19:56.47 | Danielss89 | which backup keith4 :D hehe |
| 19:57.08 | keith4 | the backup that you probably don't have |
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| 19:57.48 | slacker504 | why isnt us.debian.org working ? |
| 19:58.09 | MF2HX | hello |
| 19:58.12 | ricky | http://www.us.debian.org/ is working for me. |
| 19:58.18 | K`zan | Hi Folks, I have a handicapped friend who *must* use a 3 button serial mouse and unless you wave it around while booting, it isn't recognized. I looked over Google and she must be the last person in the world using a serial mouse. Any ideas on how to fix this, it is bloody difficult for her to keep waving the mouse around. Thanks for any suggestions or pointers! |
| 19:58.28 | limpio | jetscreamer, thx pal, i changed the mirror, it worked :) |
| 19:58.31 | xingu | xand: they look fine here |
| 19:58.31 | karsten | OT: can anyone confirm if this is viral? ClamScan doesn't catch it, I don't have any other AV: http://69.155.105.65/ecard.exe |
| 19:59.01 | karsten | xand: They look awful anywhere. I override with a userContent.css |
| 19:59.12 | ricky | karsten: Based solely on the filename, I'd probably say yes- heh. |
| 19:59.38 | slacker504 | ricky: http://us.debian.org |
| 19:59.41 | MF2HX | Could anyone recommend a good program to convert pdf files to html (other than "pdftohtml")? |
| 19:59.48 | ricky | slacker504: As in, add www. |
| 19:59.50 | Mr-R | karsten: try http://www.virustotal.com/ |
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| 20:00.12 | ricky | Also, the IP seems residential, which is another strong indication. |
| 20:00.44 | xand | xingu: there's no anti-aliasing |
| 20:00.50 | xand | karsten: it's ok on windows c.c |
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| 20:01.09 | xand | I'm sure I fixed it several installations ago with some font fiddling |
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| 20:02.44 | slacker504 | ricky: Could not resolve 'ftp.security.debian.org' any idea there ? |
| 20:02.45 | korhojoa | K`zan: tried it with other computers so it's not a hardware problem? (ie, the power on the serial port is weird or something) |
| 20:04.07 | K`zan | korhojoa: No mouse is fine, it seems to be a detection problem, unless it is doing something when booting, it is just dead unles you ctl-alt-bsp and wave it around. |
| 20:04.29 | K`zan | korhojoa: Call, brb |
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| 20:06.08 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 20:06.18 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 20:06.19 | korhojoa | K`zan: I actually have no clue why that needs to be done. |
| 20:06.30 | ricky | slacker504: ftp://security.debian.org/ responds for me- perhaps the ftp. isn't necessary. |
| 20:06.40 | asg | abrotman: tuck that tail in |
| 20:06.53 | abrotman | asg: i just had to wipe |
| 20:07.09 | Shadur | Looks like it might just be the nvidia driver. |
| 20:07.25 | abrotman | slacker504: it's not ftp.security.debian.org .. it's ftp://security.debian.org/ or http://security.debian.org/ |
| 20:07.41 | deb_usr | is there a user interface for ogle ??? |
| 20:07.52 | asg | abrotman: outrageous TP |
| 20:08.13 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:08.14 | slacker504 | abrotman: yea i got it was really confusing me for a sec |
| 20:08.27 | abrotman | deb_usr: isn't that a media playe? |
| 20:08.29 | abrotman | player |
| 20:08.42 | slacker504 | is lenny fairly stable ? |
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| 20:09.01 | deb_usr | abrotman : yes, but how can i pause, play next, control the volume, etc..?? |
| 20:09.47 | deb_usr | abrotman : how can i control the progression ? |
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| 20:11.49 | asg | slacker504: stable in what context? |
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| 20:13.25 | K`zan | korhojoa: Me either and google was not any help either. Probably going to have to build her a custom ps/2 mouse or something. Thanks ! |
| 20:13.51 | K`zan | korhojoa: I gather the kernel (something in it) used to check for serial mice, but apparently not any more. |
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| 20:15.32 | slacker504 | asg: not like things are goiung ot break to easily |
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| 20:17.57 | DvRq | for what reason is there a user called nobody on debian? |
| 20:18.19 | dondelelcaro | DvRq: tradition; it's a common daemon uid. |
| 20:18.40 | asg | slacker504: they are less likely to break than sid but that's no guarantee. I wouldn't trust it for anything critical but for casual use, it should be fine in most cases. |
| 20:18.49 | dondelelcaro | DvRq: ideally that user should own no files or directories on the system, so the damage that such a user can generate is minimal |
| 20:19.22 | DvRq | Jul 30 06:25:02 89 su[6953]: Successful su for nobody by root |
| 20:20.10 | asg | DvRq: that indicates root changed to the nobody user to run a job (generally a cron job) |
| 20:20.12 | dondelelcaro | DvRq: that's probably a cronjob which does su - nobody 'some stuff' |
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| 20:20.42 | DvRq | ok |
| 20:21.13 | korhojoa | helloes. |
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| 20:21.37 | korhojoa | now: does #debian know the answer to this question? |
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| 20:21.40 | lightning | what is the avahi daemon do? |
| 20:21.49 | korhojoa | when do you know that you are dealing with way too old hardware? |
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| 20:22.09 | korhojoa | answer: when you have a 30 cm long bar of adapters just to make your mouse work |
| 20:22.47 | alaya | apropos avahi |
| 20:23.01 | korhojoa | bluetooth reciever for mouse -> usb-ps2 adapter -> ps2-db9 adapter -> db9-db25 adapter-> computer |
| 20:23.11 | lightning | alaya: / |
| 20:23.13 | lightning | ? |
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| 20:23.45 | alaya | type that |
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| 20:24.21 | lightning | alaya: yes, but i still do not understand what it does |
| 20:24.24 | lightning | static something? |
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| 20:26.10 | lightning | bbl |
| 20:26.57 | anapivirtua | Night` |
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| 20:28.39 | jwickard | I fired up screen today after not using it for a long while. I'm trying to split my windows with Ctrl-a S, but the second window that opens up has no bash prompt. |
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| 20:36.37 | DvRq | has there been any work on the mysql-mod-auth support on etch? |
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| 20:47.55 | suwro | hello |
| 20:48.35 | suwro | i am having some problems on upgrading to next stable... i keep get this err |
| 20:48.39 | suwro | Removing netkit-inetd ... |
| 20:48.39 | suwro | /var/lib/dpkg/info/netkit-inetd.prerm: line 4: /etc/init.d/inetd: Permission denied |
| 20:49.05 | suwro | i removed /etc/init.d/inetd and did a touch for that file |
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| 20:49.29 | suwro | dpkg -P or apt-get remove drop the same error |
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| 20:50.37 | MoDaX | suwro: chmod 755 /etc/init.d/inetd |
| 20:51.01 | lightning | did you try purging it suwro? |
| 20:51.09 | suwro | yes |
| 20:51.22 | suwro | same thing on purge and after chmod. |
| 20:51.27 | lightning | suwro: http://people.debian.org/~tbm/logs/gcc-4.1/perl_5.8.8-3_20060317-1227 |
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| 20:52.23 | alaya | suwro: what's line 4 of var/lib/dpkg/info/netkit-inetd.prerm look like? maybe pastebin it |
| 20:52.31 | lightning | apt-move is mentioned here |
| 20:52.49 | suwro | 1 sec - where to pastebin? |
| 20:52.57 | lightning | pastebin.com |
| 20:53.01 | suwro | ok |
| 20:53.14 | alaya | !pastebin |
| 20:53.14 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
| 20:53.24 | alaya | not .com |
| 20:53.40 | lightning | the .ca was down for me for a while |
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| 20:54.00 | suwro | /etc/init.d/inetd stop |
| 20:54.02 | suwro | that |
| 20:54.06 | suwro | is the line 4 |
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| 20:54.41 | maxamillion | is there some trick to the openbox package in etch? ... apparently its not running the openbox-session script mentioned in the openbox wiki and thus isn't running my autostart.sh |
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| 20:55.30 | lightning | try this in terminal /etc/init.d/inetd start |
| 20:55.37 | suwro | ok |
| 20:55.47 | simonrvn | maxamillion: get the sid backport, it workie |
| 20:55.49 | suwro | i commented all from that file |
| 20:55.51 | suwro | and started |
| 20:55.57 | suwro | i'll remove inetd |
| 20:56.00 | alaya | suwro: so what happens when you run that manually? |
| 20:56.00 | suwro | and reinstall it |
| 20:56.03 | maxamillion | simonrvn: ok, thanks |
| 20:56.10 | suwro | but... I don't use inetd |
| 20:56.24 | suwro | ftp is standalone, http same. |
| 20:56.29 | lightning | yeah just try to remove it |
| 20:56.32 | suwro | postfix.. |
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| 20:57.28 | simonrvn | @wb jelly-home |
| 20:57.30 | ravenbird | Welcome back jelly-home, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of cheese. |
| 20:57.47 | jelly-home | Meh, all GTK+ apps segfaulted on aptitude upgrade :-| |
| 20:57.53 | savetheWorld | lullaby-ee |
| 20:57.54 | simonrvn | ouch |
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| 20:58.42 | jelly-home | thought it was the usual xfce bugginess, but xchat died too ;-) |
| 20:58.56 | simonrvn | wtf happened? |
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| 20:59.13 | weesiel | !info flashplugin-nonfree |
| 20:59.16 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Adobe Flash Player plugin installer), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 9.0.48.0.2 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 140 kB |
| 20:59.24 | simonrvn | workie here, and i updated 3 times in last 2 days |
| 20:59.31 | weesiel | !info flashplugin-nonfree stable |
| 20:59.34 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Adobe Flash Player plugin installer), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 9.0.31.0.1 (etch), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
| 20:59.58 | jelly-home | that flashplugin-nonfree for stable will be updated soonish too |
| 21:00.00 | simonrvn | yes, 9 got in to etch before release ;p |
| 21:00.16 | simonrvn | it will? is it part of the volatile stuff? |
| 21:00.32 | jelly-home | no, but the current one can't possibly work any more |
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| 21:00.41 | suwro | weesiel: what's new in 9.0.48 ?? |
| 21:01.13 | jelly-home | and there's a bug report suggesting it'll get updated, far as I remember |
| 21:01.23 | simonrvn | i doubt .37.0.1 version onumber is going to make much difference excpet bug fixes... |
| 21:01.36 | simonrvn | ah, must be security thing |
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| 21:01.37 | jelly-home | suwro: it has the newest tar.gz md5sum? :-) |
| 21:01.46 | wlu | can someone look at my xorg.conf file and tell me why my third screen does not work. Here is the pastebin http://pastebin.com/m79803111 Any help is greatly appreciated |
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| 21:02.48 | adv0cate | Using Sid, reading the `ps aux` list, the listing for "/usr/bin/dbus-daemon" shows a user of 103, and not user "messagebus". The entry is in /etc/passwd. Is this a problem? |
| 21:03.18 | jelly-home | adv0cate: no |
| 21:03.47 | jelly-home | adv0cate: the username is longer than 8 characters, and your version of ps won't display that |
| 21:04.00 | adv0cate | jelly-home: ahhh. I wasn't aware of that limitation. Thank you. |
| 21:04.18 | jelly-home | adv0cate: worried me for a bit too |
| 21:04.29 | jelly-home | adv0cate: grep messagebus /etc/passwd |
| 21:04.30 | adv0cate | jelly-home: I suppose it's in the manpage for ps? |
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| 21:05.26 | jelly-home | adv0cate: no idea, I've stopped reading manuals only to check if they're up to date. They're usually not. ;-) |
| 21:05.58 | jelly-home | not to mention that Debian has lots of documentation missing these days |
| 21:06.07 | level1 | why are there options in scim that are only accessable in kde and not in gnome? These are important options, like keyboard shotcuts. You can't really use scim without them |
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| 21:06.53 | jelly-home | level1: I blame Gnome |
| 21:07.28 | level1 | jelly-home: well, they configuration dialog that I need sometimes can't even be found in kde |
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| 21:08.11 | _Sam-- | hey im trying to use an external USB drive on my debian sarge...but when i plug in the external drive im not seeing it recognized anyplace |
| 21:08.30 | _Sam-- | is there anything i should try? i tried to start and stop hotplug, but that didnt seem to help |
| 21:08.57 | level1 | _Sam--: it doesn't appear in /dev/? |
| 21:09.10 | _Sam-- | level1: no, it doesnt appear anywhere. |
| 21:09.14 | suwro | anyone have a dell inspiron 1501 custom kernel ? |
| 21:09.40 | pipegeek | FURRIES EVERYWHERE |
| 21:10.08 | norc | _Sam--: is there no /dev/sda ? |
| 21:10.09 | jelly-home | level1: I'm sorry, not a user of SCIM and can't provide any real help about it |
| 21:10.20 | _Sam-- | i already have in md0 with sda and sdb |
| 21:10.23 | _Sam-- | this drive should be sdc |
| 21:10.26 | norc | _Sam--: what does dmesg say? |
| 21:10.28 | _Sam-- | but its not detected by the kernel |
| 21:10.29 | dead1ock | I'll find out |
| 21:10.59 | norc | _Sam--: check your dmesg/syslog and also make sure to have your harddrive turned on |
| 21:11.12 | _Sam-- | this is what dmesg says: http://www.pastebin.ca/639776 |
| 21:11.18 | _Sam-- | the drive is on and working fine. |
| 21:11.29 | jelly-home | pipegeek: hi, teddy bear! |
| 21:11.46 | warnk | @anyone running server w/ multiple users that need root: ssh into root w/ key? sudo? mix? anyone have any thought? |
| 21:12.04 | level1 | jelly-home: in scim, it has this kde mode and then a gtk mode. In gtk mode, there is no way to access kde mode. I have to "killall scim-panel-applet" and *immediately* "&& scim-panel-kde |
| 21:12.32 | pipegeek | jelly-home: hi hi |
| 21:12.35 | suwro | warnk: any tought about ?? what's your question? |
| 21:12.41 | jelly-home | level1: sounds like a serious usability misfeature |
| 21:12.50 | themill | warnk: sudo -- provides a better logging of what was done |
| 21:12.56 | themill | warnk: and by whom |
| 21:12.59 | pipegeek | good to know |
| 21:13.05 | level1 | jelly-home: no, just gnome |
| 21:13.11 | jelly-home | ah |
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| 21:13.13 | norc | _Sam--: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2004/10/msg00162.html |
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| 21:13.34 | lightning | wow i plugged in a camera to use gtkam with it and the computer turned off |
| 21:13.35 | norc | It's a bit old, but appears to be the same problem. |
| 21:13.36 | jelly-home | level1: irc.gimp.net, #gnome then. |
| 21:14.03 | _Sam-- | norc: tween:/dev# modprobe shpchp |
| 21:14.05 | _Sam-- | FATAL: Error inserting shpchp (/lib/modules/2.6.8-3-k7-smp/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/shpchp.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 21:14.20 | jelly-home | level1: sorry, make that irc.gimp.org |
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| 21:14.25 | norc | _Sam--: what are the permissions on that module? |
| 21:14.46 | _Sam-- | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 126959 2006-09-07 02:05 /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-k7-smp/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/shpchp.ko |
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| 21:15.46 | norc | _Sam--: try updating your kernel, 2.6.8 is very old. |
| 21:15.58 | norc | Isn't 2.6.18 currently in stable? |
| 21:16.18 | _Sam-- | its not THAT old |
| 21:16.19 | _Sam-- | Linux tween.kneedraggers.com 2.6.8-3-k7-smp #1 SMP Thu Sep 7 04:08:38 UTC 2006 |
| 21:16.31 | _Sam-- | i mean, they had USB external drives back then too |
| 21:16.35 | norc | _Sam--: nearly a year |
| 21:16.37 | gcbirzan | No way! |
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| 21:17.07 | norc | Well, don't ask me what the actual problem is. All I can see here is an outdated kernel with a bug. You will hardly get any support. If you can reproduce this bug with a more recent kernel please file in a bug. |
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| 21:18.07 | _Sam-- | if i wanted support id use rhel |
| 21:18.19 | norc | _Sam--: why do you ask in here if you don't want support. |
| 21:18.21 | themill | _Sam--: 2.6.8 is a very old kernel.... a lot changed at 2.6.9 and then at about 2.6.15 and then again with 2.6.21/2 |
| 21:18.43 | stew | 2.6.8 is still current and supported in debian |
| 21:18.45 | zenwryly | My DNS on my laptop is totally hosed. I think it might be related to my wireless roaming and the no-cat style startup that many public AP's use. Access by IP works just fine, but resolution of host names is having all sorts of sporadic wired behavior. Not resolving the same hostname one moment and then resolving it the next. Resolving it to the wrong address other times. |
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| 21:18.59 | zenwryly | any idea how I might start troubleshooting this? |
| 21:19.03 | norc | stew: in any case, if he can reproduce this bug he should report it. |
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| 21:19.15 | stew | _Sam--: you were running modprobe as root, right? |
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| 21:19.22 | _Sam-- | stew: yes |
| 21:19.40 | StereoSkit | anyone using debian on a macbok? |
| 21:19.43 | _Sam-- | id work on the kernel, however rebooting a production server midday isnt likely going to make me many friends. |
| 21:19.44 | StereoSkit | macbook |
| 21:19.52 | _Sam-- | i think there is a way to fix what i have |
| 21:19.54 | StereoSkit | !macbook |
| 21:19.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, macbook is http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook or now known to work under bootcamp, details still sparse |
| 21:20.06 | StereoSkit | bleh |
| 21:20.10 | warnk | suwro, controlling access to server ultimately, i have several users that don't really need root access (just adduser/deluser/etc), but don't feel comfortable w/ giving sudo access to several possible insecure users |
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| 21:20.15 | stew | _Sam--: well if you were going to reboot, you should upgrade to thw newer 2.6.8 that was released in june |
| 21:20.25 | cartesian1984 | Is there a config file I can put iptables rules in anywhere? |
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| 21:20.37 | warnk | suwro, was wondering if anyone had preferred systems |
| 21:20.37 | StereoSkit | "/sbin/lilo fail with error code 1" |
| 21:20.40 | themill | _Sam--: btw it's actually a 3 year old kernel. We have nnothing against you using it, it's just that few of us are likely to be using it so it's hard for us to know its quirks. |
| 21:20.45 | suwro | warnk: ok- there's a sudo group |
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| 21:20.54 | suwro | use visudo as root and add |
| 21:20.57 | stew | themill: no, he's using a kernel from september 2006 |
| 21:21.05 | ricky | warnk: You can limit sudo access (eg. restrict it to certain commands) |
| 21:21.20 | themill | stew: 2.6.8? |
| 21:21.22 | _Sam-- | -3 |
| 21:21.23 | suwro | %sudo ALL=(ALL) ALL |
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| 21:21.24 | stew | themill: although he should upgrade to the newer 2.6.8 kernel that was released in june, its not likely to be the source of the problem |
| 21:21.29 | suwro | all you have to do now |
| 21:21.36 | norc | warnk: Thought you can limit sudo not just to users but also to commands. |
| 21:21.37 | suwro | is to add user x to sudo group |
| 21:21.46 | StereoSkit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.48 | stew | themill: yes, he's got 2.6.8-3 from sept 2006, there was a newer 2.6.8 released in June 2007 |
| 21:21.56 | StereoSkit | k, anyone using macbook and debian ? |
| 21:21.56 | warnk | i worry about shell escapes |
| 21:22.03 | themill | stew _Sam--: -3 or .3? |
| 21:22.05 | _Sam-- | i'll just make my own kernel |
| 21:22.08 | _Sam-- | -3 |
| 21:22.10 | suwro | dont' use NOPASSWD unless you-re on your own desktop |
| 21:22.10 | warnk | and users w/ poor passwords /etc |
| 21:22.10 | stew | themill: -3 |
| 21:22.20 | suwro | DON't USE NOPASSWD on servers. |
| 21:22.22 | _Sam-- | Linux tween.kneedraggers.com 2.6.8-3-k7-smp #1 SMP Thu Sep 7 04:08:38 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:22.22 | stew | themill: which is 2.6.8.1 |
| 21:22.23 | themill | stew that's only security fixes not bug fixes |
| 21:22.28 | stew | themill: correct |
| 21:22.28 | themill | stew ok. |
| 21:22.29 | suwro | let hackers have some problems |
| 21:22.33 | ricky | warnk: man sudoers for more detailed info about limiting access. |
| 21:22.52 | themill | stew: just working out where things are up to.... :) |
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| 21:23.19 | _Sam-- | for the record, this box in discussion was just installed in maybe march/april using an up-to-date stable sarge distro |
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| 21:23.24 | _Sam-- | i find it hard to believe im that out of date. |
| 21:23.33 | norc | _Sam--: sarge is obsolete. |
| 21:23.38 | _Sam-- | just recently by etch |
| 21:23.38 | norc | _Sam--: etch is new stable. :) |
| 21:23.49 | _Sam-- | but its not like i installed this box 3 years ago |
| 21:23.52 | _Sam-- | april/march |
| 21:24.00 | stew | _Sam--: don't listen to them. sarge is not yet obsolete |
| 21:24.09 | stew | norc: sarge is not obsolete |
| 21:24.32 | themill | _Sam--: but that's the way debian works -- stable is exactly that for a long period of time. Sarge is oldstable. It's still a great distro, it's just not the shiniest kid on the block any more. |
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| 21:24.41 | norc | stew: dependes, it might be considered obsolete because we have a new stable. I'm not saying that it's full of bugs because its old. |
| 21:25.03 | themill | _Sam--: so for the life of sarge, it stays with 2.6.8 kernels and doesn't get newer ones just because they are available. |
| 21:25.05 | _Sam-- | so how could a 3 year old distro that i downloaded and installed in just april, which is purported to be stable, not work with my USB hard drive is the question. |
| 21:25.07 | stew | norc: its not obsolete becuase it is still supported for at 6 more months |
| 21:25.14 | _Sam-- | and i dont believe that its the kernel that is the problem. |
| 21:25.17 | stew | _Sam--: do you actually have a hotplug pci controller? |
| 21:25.21 | _Sam-- | but if you say it is, i will believe it. |
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| 21:25.50 | _Sam-- | stew: im not trying to hotplug pci, just usb |
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| 21:26.00 | themill | _Sam--: stable means that it has a known set of bugs and that allows you to work with/around them. The alternative is a continually shifting set of bugs so you are continually having to change your workarounds to accommodate the changing landscape. |
| 21:26.14 | stew | _Sam--: if you don't actually have a hotplug pci controller, i wouldn't worry about the failure to load a module for it |
| 21:26.49 | deb_usr | hi |
| 21:26.51 | _Sam-- | so maybe just try rebooting this server and see if the external drive is recognized on reboot? |
| 21:27.07 | deb_usr | i'm searching for a clone of visual basic in debian |
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| 21:27.27 | norc | _Sam--: thats unnecessary, you can just restart the proper init scripts |
| 21:27.39 | stew | _Sam--: no, you don't have to reboot. if the problem is twith an external drive, it has nothing to do with |
| 21:27.40 | deb_usr | who has an idea ?? |
| 21:27.43 | themill | deb_usr: there is the vbnc compiler that is part of mono. |
| 21:27.50 | stew | _Sam--: ... with dhpchp |
| 21:27.55 | themill | deb_usr: but it's not made it into debian yet. Sorry, don't know why. |
| 21:27.56 | stew | err shpchp |
| 21:28.18 | stew | _Sam--: do you have both usb-storage and sd_mod loaded? |
| 21:28.21 | deb_usr | part of mono ? what does it mean ?? |
| 21:28.46 | _Sam-- | scsi_mod 127748 3 sd_mod,usb_storage,aic7xxx |
| 21:28.46 | _Sam-- | ? |
| 21:28.47 | themill | !tell deb_usr about mono |
| 21:28.58 | _Sam-- | usbcore 121828 7 usb_storage,usbserial,usbhid,usbkbd,ohci_hcd |
| 21:28.59 | _Sam-- | ? |
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| 21:29.28 | _Sam-- | stew just to recap my situation, when i plug the external USB drive into the server, it is not recognized anyplace, and i cannot use it. |
| 21:29.44 | deb_usr | themil : thanks |
| 21:29.49 | stew | _Sam--: unplug it, replug it, wait a few seconds, then show us the output of "dmesg | tail". use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:29.56 | _Sam-- | ok |
| 21:29.56 | deb_usr | but why is it not in debian ?? |
| 21:29.57 | _Sam-- | , sec |
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| 21:30.47 | MoDaX | deb_usr: mono is in debian |
| 21:31.02 | themill | MoDaX: but vbnc isn't. do you know why? |
| 21:31.04 | MoDaX | !info mono |
| 21:31.07 | dpkg | mono: (Mono CLI (.NET) runtime), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.2.4-4 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 21:31.14 | deb_usr | MoDax : Can i use it to develop in VB ?? |
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| 21:31.15 | _Sam-- | stew: thank you for your help. http://www.pastebin.ca/639809 |
| 21:31.33 | _Sam-- | fyi, sdb == a drive in my raid array, not the external drive. |
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| 21:32.28 | MoDaX | themill: maybe due to patents or something |
| 21:32.35 | stew | _Sam--: how about "dmesg | tail -100" to give a bit more context then |
| 21:32.59 | themill | MoDaX: it's in a better position than most of the rest of mono :) |
| 21:33.15 | _Sam-- | http://www.pastebin.ca/639812 |
| 21:34.23 | themill | deb_usr: vbnc, even if it were in debian, doesn't handle quite a few things. I experimented with it under rhel a little while ago and found that qutie clean vb.net code barfed badly under vbnc. It's still a work in progress. |
| 21:34.37 | cartesian1984 | iptables -A INPUT DROP; iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT <-- if I put those in my rc.local, would that allow ssh traffic? |
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| 21:35.02 | MoDaX | themill: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/m/mono/mono_1.2.4-4/changelog#versionversion1.1.17.1-1 |
| 21:35.04 | deb_usr | themil : yes i see, so i have to wait a little more :-) |
| 21:35.04 | stew | cartesian1984: no, that would drop all traffic since DROP comes first |
| 21:35.28 | rokra | someone knows how works the mail with spamassasin? I need to do an automatic filter but I m not familiar with mail system? |
| 21:35.37 | themill | MoDaX: hmmm... that predates the release of vbnc |
| 21:35.41 | stew | _Sam--: odd, nothing about you plugging in the usb. does this usb drive work in another debian machine? you might try unloading and reloading usb-storage. |
| 21:35.43 | _Sam-- | rokra: spamassassin-milter |
| 21:35.53 | _Sam-- | and procmail |
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| 21:35.55 | cartesian1984 | stew: if I reversed it? |
| 21:36.17 | cartesian1984 | stew: would it then work as I want it? |
| 21:36.18 | themill | deb_usr: if you really want a .NET language, the c# is well supported under linux and monodevelop is a good IDE for it. If you don't want a .NET language necessarily, then there are lots of other languages you can use that will be much more useful in the long run than vb. |
| 21:36.34 | _Sam-- | rmmod usb-storage? |
| 21:36.40 | _Sam-- | then modprobe usb-storage? |
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| 21:36.45 | stew | _Sam--: or you might need to explicitly load ohci-hcd or ehci-hcd or uhch-hcd instead of whichever is being used now |
| 21:36.59 | stew | _Sam--: yeah, but 'modprobe -r' is better than rmmod |
| 21:37.10 | MoDaX | themill: don't know then |
| 21:37.11 | stew | cartesian1984: yes |
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| 21:37.28 | MoDaX | deb_usr: file a whishlist bug |
| 21:37.28 | stew | cartesian1984: but it would not allow any other traffic at all |
| 21:37.37 | MoDaX | wishlist* |
| 21:37.43 | ndee | how can I exactly see which files a process uses or what it exactly does at the moment? |
| 21:37.50 | _Sam-- | hmm no go |
| 21:37.54 | cartesian1984 | stew: hmm...is there any way to disallow all traffic that would allow me to make new rules later? |
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| 21:38.16 | cartesian1984 | stew: disallow all unspecified traffic, that is? |
| 21:38.17 | themill | !tell deb_usr about rfp |
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| 21:38.31 | stew | cartesian1984: and in fact it would not even allow ssh connections to be established since you aren't allowing replies FROM port 22 |
| 21:38.43 | themill | deb_usr: or contact the mono packagers via http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 21:39.03 | stew | cartesian1984: what you are doing there would disallow lots of traffic and you can always make new rules later, so i don't really know what you are asking |
| 21:39.15 | stew | cartesian1984: but perhaps you want to look at setting the policy on that chain |
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| 21:39.38 | stew | cartesian1984: but you really probably want to look at something like fwbuilder to help you build the firewall rules |
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| 21:40.07 | cartesian1984 | stew: policy determines default behavior? How do I set it? |
| 21:40.16 | stew | cartesian1984: man iptables |
| 21:40.20 | cartesian1984 | stew: thanks. |
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| 21:40.43 | stew | cartesian1984: seriously, consider something like fwbuilder to build these rules for you |
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| 21:41.23 | _Sam-- | stew: i seem to remember a similar problem before this machine before where it wouldnt load the attached USB devices (i believe last time was a USB network dongle)...but if the machine was rebooted with those devices connected to the USB, they worked fine. |
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| 21:41.30 | cartesian1984 | stew: thanks for your advice, but I don't think it's an option. It's a colo'd server. |
| 21:41.30 | _Sam-- | i havent tried it yet with this drive |
| 21:41.43 | militant | just popped my old gforce3 in this box to take over from the lame via onboard... what's the nvidia oneliner then? |
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| 21:42.03 | cartesian1984 | !tell militant nvidia one-liner |
| 21:42.06 | cartesian1984 | Methinks. |
| 21:42.17 | stew | cartesian1984: if its a colo'd server, all the more reason to use fwbuilder, since you will have less of a chance of making a mistake and locking yourself out |
| 21:42.17 | cartesian1984 | Apparently not. |
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| 21:42.28 | MoDaX | cartesian1984: iptables -P CHAIN POLICY |
| 21:42.29 | stew | cartesian1984: i use fwbuilder for several of my colo'd servers |
| 21:42.37 | _Sam-- | if you use a colo'd server, you need remote serial console access |
| 21:42.50 | _Sam-- | but i like agt too, it works good |
| 21:42.58 | stew | _Sam--: its something nice to have, but certainly not something you need |
| 21:43.07 | _Sam-- | agt is just a front end to iptables which makes for some fun iptables config |
| 21:43.19 | _Sam-- | # stop all connections for 30 minutes on Friday night |
| 21:43.19 | _Sam-- | #input drop time-start 22:00 time-stop 22:30 days Fri |
| 21:43.19 | stew | _Sam--: which of ohci,ehci,uhci is returned from "lsmod | grep hci" ? |
| 21:43.24 | militant | i want the opensource drivers, i know i won't have 3d but it performs better for regular 2d things like window movements and such |
| 21:43.42 | themill | is pkg-mono dead? There's only been a handful of mails to the mailing list in the last 9 months and the packages are a bit out of date. |
| 21:43.42 | _Sam-- | i modprobed a few other of those, stew, so now i have alot loaded |
| 21:43.43 | _Sam-- | ehci_hcd 32772 0 |
| 21:43.43 | _Sam-- | ohci_hcd 22532 0 |
| 21:43.43 | _Sam-- | usbcore 121828 8 ehci_hcd,usb_storage,usbserial,usbhid,usbkbd,ohci_hcd |
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| 21:43.49 | _Sam-- | ah shoot soory |
| 21:43.49 | MoDaX | militant: nv |
| 21:43.57 | _Sam-- | was just 3 lines |
| 21:43.58 | rswarbrick | Hello! Anyone had weird and horrible hard disk errors on unstable today? |
| 21:44.17 | stew | _Sam--: you want to remove all but one, try all three, one at a time |
| 21:44.21 | themill | militant: if you want the non-free driver, /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 21:44.29 | MoDaX | rswarbrick: no |
| 21:44.31 | MoDaX | :) |
| 21:44.44 | MoDaX | hopefully |
| 21:44.56 | _Sam-- | ok they are all unloaded now |
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| 21:45.00 | militant | themill: i want the free. for now. i'll probably do multiple configs so i can switch when i wanna play flightgear or something |
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| 21:45.03 | _Sam-- | i will try one at a time, thank you again for your help and patience. |
| 21:45.15 | _Sam-- | do i want to turn the drive off, then modprobe each one, and then turn the drive on? |
| 21:45.17 | stew | _Sam--: also check to see when/if lsusb sees the device |
| 21:45.23 | themill | militant: then /msg dpkg nv |
| 21:45.24 | stew | _Sam--: shouldn't matter |
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| 21:45.55 | rswarbrick | Anyone? Just my system's unbootable atm :( Am getting an error saying that the requested operation isn't supported, I think |
| 21:46.08 | rswarbrick | I presume due to a package upgrade |
| 21:46.25 | _Sam-- | hmmm |
| 21:46.41 | _Sam-- | stew: http://www.pastebin.ca/639831 |
| 21:46.44 | rswarbrick | NoDaX: I didn't think so until I shut down the laptop and brought it home :) |
| 21:46.55 | _Sam-- | er nmw |
| 21:46.56 | _Sam-- | nm |
| 21:47.03 | _Sam-- | that was the unregistering of the last module |
| 21:47.13 | MoDaX | rswarbrick: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=435163 ? |
| 21:47.24 | rswarbrick | Ooh - I'll have a look |
| 21:47.46 | rswarbrick | (am in knoppix atm so it takes a sec!) |
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| 21:48.15 | _Sam-- | stew: THANKS. |
| 21:48.40 | _Sam-- | http://www.pastebin.ca/639836 |
| 21:49.23 | _Sam-- | see, no new kernel needed! |
| 21:49.27 | rokra | _Sam--: In fact Im receiving Mail with header containing X-Spam.. , I want to filter these mail in the exim . |
| 21:49.28 | _Sam-- | all cause stew is THE MAN |
| 21:49.30 | _Sam-- | listen to stew. |
| 21:49.44 | _Sam-- | rokra: i use procmail to do that from sendmail |
| 21:49.58 | rswarbrick | NoDaX: Thanks, that sounds possible (looking at dpkg.log, I did upgrade udev). I'll drop back to the one on testing and give it another shot |
| 21:49.58 | rswarbrick | Btw, had you already seen that, or is there a quick way of finding "grave errors starting today" or something |
| 21:50.10 | _Sam-- | stew, thank you again for your time and patience. |
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| 21:50.22 | EmergeTW | afternoon |
| 21:50.44 | stew | _Sam--: cool. though consider that there are security updates for that kernel that you should consider updating and rebooting for, and you have about 6 months to move to etch |
| 21:50.53 | _Sam-- | its an internal box |
| 21:50.55 | MoDaX | rswarbrick: is udev at 0.113-1? |
| 21:51.02 | _Sam-- | it runs squid and some mail ticketing system. |
| 21:51.06 | _Sam-- | it will be fine for another 3 years |
| 21:51.09 | rswarbrick | 0.113-2 |
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| 21:51.13 | MoDaX | rswarbrick: install apt-listbugs |
| 21:51.20 | rswarbrick | Oh. |
| 21:51.22 | rswarbrick | D'oh |
| 21:51.32 | MoDaX | rswarbrick: then it's not the same |
| 21:51.41 | MoDaX | s/same/case/ |
| 21:52.04 | MoDaX | rswarbrick: I need exact error |
| 21:52.11 | rswarbrick | NoDaX: Ah, thanks |
| 21:52.38 | rswarbrick | Erm, well in order to get that, I need to reboot the laptop :( |
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| 21:53.02 | rswarbrick | Looking at the dpkg.log, it seems udev might be to blame. |
| 21:53.11 | rswarbrick | So what I'm going to do is downgrade to testing's udev |
| 21:53.12 | rswarbrick | reboot |
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| 21:53.21 | MoDaX | rswarbrick: udev 0.113-2 fixed that problem |
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| 21:53.30 | rswarbrick | If fixed, then upgrade again (!) and write down the error |
| 21:53.38 | rswarbrick | NoDaX: Yeah, I saw. Hmm |
| 21:54.03 | rswarbrick | However, that and libc6 were the only really heavyweight things I upgraded today, and the system booted this morning! |
| 21:54.23 | MoDaX | rswarbrick: ok, write down the error |
| 21:54.33 | rswarbrick | Shall do! |
| 21:54.44 | rswarbrick | Back in a few (hopefully) minutes! |
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| 22:01.44 | sdadasads | i cant use my mouse.. can anyone help me ? |
| 22:02.02 | _Sam-- | in a gui or in a console? |
| 22:02.19 | MoDaX | sdadasads: usb or ps/2 ? |
| 22:02.24 | sdadasads | ps2 |
| 22:02.30 | sdadasads | here is the error otput |
| 22:02.38 | micky | hello i have my problem and a network topology diagram if anyone has any idea how to use SNAT to use 2 isp`s http://86.104.141.8/network/topology2.jpg |
| 22:02.40 | sdadasads | http://pastebin.com/m6c713fb |
| 22:03.42 | MoDaX | sdadasads: nothing in that pastebin. wrong url? |
| 22:03.59 | MoDaX | sdadasads: modprobe psmouse |
| 22:04.08 | sdadasads | doesnt work .. i've tried this |
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| 22:04.46 | jmoiron | i have a serial gps that is on /dev/ttyS0; minicom connects to it ok and starts spitting out information, but it loses a lot of data and the display is really jerky; gpsd will have none of it.. does anyone know what the problem might be? |
| 22:04.57 | MoDaX | sdadasads: (as root) cat /dev/input/mice and move the mouse. do you see anything on console? |
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| 22:05.08 | jmoiron | i've tested this port using the same settings (baud, 8N1, etc) on other distros and it has worked fine |
| 22:05.14 | lontra | should hooking my laptop up to a externel monitor or projector be as easy at fn+f7? |
| 22:05.32 | themill | lontra: if only! |
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| 22:06.03 | lontra | themill: it won't be? |
| 22:06.24 | sdadasads | MoDaX: i'm not with the system i'm talking about .. i'm running on knoppix now |
| 22:06.42 | sdadasads | i'll give you my dmesg output in pastebin |
| 22:06.42 | _Sam-- | themill: it may or may not be, in my opinion. it depends on the video card in your laptop, and if its setup to output to a secondary video port already |
| 22:06.50 | _Sam-- | er that was for longta |
| 22:06.54 | _Sam-- | lontra too -- cant type |
| 22:06.55 | MoDaX | lontra: depends on video driver and laptop. it might crash / hang xorg |
| 22:07.06 | sdadasads | http://pastebin.com/m670723a |
| 22:07.13 | themill | lontra: i've not tried that for a little while, but you usually have to tell X about the external monitor in advance, tell your graphics card that you want to use it, restart x, and offer a sacrifice to something appropriate.... |
| 22:07.21 | _Sam-- | the nvidia stuff is pretty easy under linux to add monitors, etc. |
| 22:07.24 | themill | lontra: or you might be lucky and it will just work |
| 22:07.25 | _Sam-- | at least, that has been my experience. |
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| 22:07.32 | jmoiron | any ideas? |
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| 22:07.58 | themill | jmoiron: is this using the garmin_gps module or is it a truly serial gps? |
| 22:08.11 | micky | hello i have my problem and a network topology diagram if anyone has any idea how to use SNAT to use 2 isp`s http://86.104.141.8/network/topology2.jpg |
| 22:08.22 | lontra | i have an intel 945GM ... i need to use my laptop for presentations |
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| 22:08.37 | _Sam-- | micky: i have no idea what you're up to , but the first thing that comes to mind is 'gated' and ospf. |
| 22:08.45 | MoDaX | lontra: intel might work |
| 22:09.12 | jmoiron | it's truly a serial gps; this is an embedded system |
| 22:09.23 | micky | _Sam-- 'gated' and ospf. ? |
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| 22:09.40 | jmoiron | this is some small gprs/gps combo chip |
| 22:09.40 | lontra | MoDaX: this wouldn't make a difference if it was kubuntu or debian here right? i'd prefer to use debian on my laptop but if kubuntu might be better suited for my lappy then i'd probably put that on it and just have debian on my desktop |
| 22:09.42 | _Sam-- | yes, those two. |
| 22:09.45 | themill | lontra: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3714 |
| 22:10.05 | lontra | i.e. this would be a distro independent factor right? |
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| 22:10.40 | MoDaX | lontra: I think no difference. what it depends on are xorg and intel driver versions |
| 22:10.57 | _Sam-- | micky: the other idea that comes to mind is Zebra and BGP |
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| 22:11.35 | cartesia21984 | stew: okay, you were right...I tested my rules on this machine first, things did not go well. |
| 22:11.55 | jmoiron | i have 2 drives, one with debian and one with a debian derivative; but the derivative has a few major problems (ACPI and some nasty software problems et al.) so I'm trying to get the system working w/ pure debian (lenny) instead |
| 22:11.59 | cartesia21984 | stew: fwbuilder you say? Can I make the rules on one system and move them over to another? |
| 22:12.21 | jmoiron | the gps is the last thing; and it works on the other drive but not under lenny |
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| 22:12.31 | _Sam-- | cartesia21984: stew is always right, and has good answers, but i personally like 'agt' which is a front end to iptables. |
| 22:12.36 | stew | cartesia21984: yes, in fact fwbuilder provides tools to install and run the scripts for you |
| 22:12.36 | MoDaX | lontra: xorg 1.3 is supposed to make such switching more reliable. and intel drivers are in a good shape so I think success probably is high. just test |
| 22:12.41 | jmoiron | it _seems_ like it's almost there, but the port just isn't spitting the data out correctly |
| 22:12.49 | MoDaX | probability* |
| 22:12.56 | jmoiron | i was wondering if anyone experienced this on any kind of serial device |
| 22:13.08 | _Sam-- | i think agt has the ability to provide some crazy iptables rules that i havent seen from others available |
| 22:13.21 | jlc | to see more than 2 GB of ram, is a 64bit debian install required? |
| 22:13.40 | _Sam-- | explody: # allow irc at lunchtime |
| 22:13.41 | _Sam-- | #output accept port 6667 time-start 12:00 time-stop 13:00 |
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| 22:13.51 | spheard | could everyone please click this link, I am trying to generate some server logs to test a bug I think I have just fixed :-) http://www.moonet.co.uk |
| 22:13.52 | themill | lontra: googling "945GM linux external monitor" turns up success stories and howtos so you're likely to be in good shape. |
| 22:14.00 | themill | lontra: try it out before the day though ;) |
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| 22:15.25 | explody | _Sam--: what? |
| 22:16.12 | _Sam-- | explody: that was damn nick completion |
| 22:16.16 | _Sam-- | i typed example: |
| 22:16.23 | explody | ah ok, thought so |
| 22:16.27 | c`alin | nice. |
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| 22:18.30 | c`alin | Ahh yes, it comes down to this again... Google isn't very nice is he? Default web-browser used to be whatever came defaule with debian... I want it to use firefox(iseweasel) and i had iceweasel check for default browser and re-set it, but now it just doesn't open anythying, and xterm just errors when i tell it to open links... where do i go to edit whichever file to set a default browser? |
| 22:18.40 | _Sam-- | mkfs.ext3 on a big external usb drive is not your friend. |
| 22:18.44 | Malvin | Hi folks. |
| 22:18.51 | c`alin | Short Version> Where do I go to set a default web-browser? |
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| 22:19.18 | stew | c`alin: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 22:19.22 | Malvin | Do artist brushes come with any oils on their bristles? |
| 22:19.30 | Ronin | Malvin: pardon? |
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| 22:19.48 | Ronin | Malvin: call an art supply store |
| 22:19.49 | _Sam-- | stew: what part is taking forever to write the filesystem to the new drive? the drive? |
| 22:20.05 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 22:20.12 | _Sam-- | its been making the filesystem since the time i showed you the successful drive detection |
| 22:20.16 | c`alin | Malvin: try #art |
| 22:20.19 | _Sam-- | and its not even 25% done |
| 22:20.26 | Malvin | The squirrel bristles are so very soft that I can't believe they are not oiled. |
| 22:20.27 | lontra | MoDaX: would you recommend the i810 or the intel driver btw? |
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| 22:20.41 | themill | !lart Malvin |
| 22:20.48 | c`alin | lol |
| 22:20.49 | c`alin | :) |
| 22:20.50 | dondelelcaro | Malvin: come back when you have something that is actually Debian related to discuss |
| 22:20.56 | cartesia21984 | _Sam--: why agt? |
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| 22:21.28 | _Sam-- | cartesia21984 : i like the flexibile config options. like i mentioned, i havent found others with as many ways to create detailed rules |
| 22:21.46 | acemo | where can i find the download for debian unstable netinstall? |
| 22:21.47 | _Sam-- | i would paste some examples |
| 22:22.26 | c`alin | stew: thanks muchly :) |
| 22:22.35 | _Sam-- | anyway, it works well for me, and has more options for creating rules than others i looked at. |
| 22:22.39 | MoDaX | lontra: I don't know, I don't have intel cards myself, I just heard they are in good shape. is i810 older than intel? I would suggest newer |
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| 22:23.01 | _Sam-- | three line paste? |
| 22:23.02 | lontra | MoDaX: intel is new ... ok |
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| 22:24.36 | themill | !tell acemo about lenny netinstall |
| 22:25.00 | _Sam-- | cartesia21984 : example of agt.rules: http://fresh.t-systems-sfr.com/unix/src/privat2/agt-1.11.tar.gz:a/agt-1.11/etc/agt.rules.sample |
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| 22:25.08 | themill | acemo: you can upgrade from lenny to sid if you like playing with fire :) |
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| 22:25.44 | _Sam-- | im not saying that it is the only one with those capabilities. but they are clean, easy, and work fine for me. |
| 22:25.59 | _Sam-- | i use some seperate plain iptables commands in addition to the agt.rules |
| 22:26.13 | acemo | themill: so to get sid, i need to install lenny first? |
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| 22:27.01 | themill | acemo: that's my understanding. There shouldn't be to much difference between lenny and sid atm |
| 22:27.13 | krassy | hi all |
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| 22:27.59 | Peacimowen | Aptitude is refusing to install things, recommending that I leave them at their current version (which is NOT INSTALLED!) |
| 22:28.18 | Peacimowen | How do I fix this? |
| 22:28.26 | acemo | themill: thanks <3 |
| 22:29.07 | themill | Peacimowen: can you please pastebin the actual output and also the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:30.05 | _Sam-- | hey i heard that debian is going to offer a subscription based distro with support provided by HP, similar to what RHEL is. |
| 22:30.10 | _Sam-- | is that true? |
| 22:30.30 | _Sam-- | since HP is already doing phone support for debian on their boxes, they say they are experts now at handling the debian support |
| 22:30.42 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: we don't sell anything, so no, it's not. |
| 22:30.54 | themill | _Sam--: does that mean the rest of us get the night off? |
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| 22:30.58 | Peacimowen | actually.. it's got a whole bunch of "suggestions" in bright red at the bottom. Examining them has it telling me to uninstall a number of things I want to keep. |
| 22:31.25 | _Sam-- | dondelelcaro : from a logical standpoint, if HP can support debian already....then why couldnt they come out with their own debian distro, like RHEL, that they can support? |
| 22:31.34 | themill | Peacimowen: we need those extra details, please. We can't see your screen and we're not mind readers. |
| 22:31.48 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: because there's no point in spending the effort to create another Debian based distribution? |
| 22:31.57 | Peacimowen | I know, I know... |
| 22:32.06 | themill | Peacimowen: :) |
| 22:32.09 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: not to mention the fact that they'll lose the ability to say that they're actually using Debian |
| 22:32.11 | Peacimowen | I'm just frustrated. |
| 22:32.14 | _Sam-- | donelelcaro: then you are missing the point....the idea is to provide enterprise level reliability and support, like rhel. |
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| 22:32.35 | _Sam-- | and if HP can do that, and make money at it, then why is it terrible. |
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| 22:33.08 | _Sam-- | like they support only packages available from the regular apt sources, and currently stable packages. |
| 22:33.12 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: There's nothing stoping HP from providing paid for support for Debian. You seem to have missed my point about *Debian* not selling anything |
| 22:33.27 | _Sam-- | i think debian NEEDS to sell something. |
| 22:33.38 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: why? We're a non-profit; we have no need for money. |
| 22:33.40 | stew | why? |
| 22:33.43 | _Sam-- | why provide all this time and effort for nothing other than gratitude? |
| 22:33.50 | stew | and debian actually has money already |
| 22:33.51 | _Sam-- | not to mention, the cash reserves arent so hot. |
| 22:34.07 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: because we use what we make. We've got enough money to do whatever we want to do, anyway. |
| 22:34.11 | stew | don't forget the freedom |
| 22:34.20 | cartesia21984 | _Sam--: this box is for VPS hosting, will I need to allow forward? |
| 22:34.29 | dondelelcaro | (and if the time comes that we actually need more money for something, we ask for it, or we get someone to donate whatever we need) |
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| 22:34.49 | _Sam-- | dondelelcaro : maybe thats why no big companies use debian, and they all gladly spend on RHEL? |
| 22:34.57 | _Sam-- | or maybe you just dealing with the home users ubuntu questions? |
| 22:35.08 | _Sam-- | just = just like |
| 22:35.13 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: um... could you stop with the trolling please? I know why quite a few big companies use Debian. |
| 22:35.20 | stew | maybe we should charge money so we can pay our release managers to get lenny out on time *ducks* |
| 22:35.24 | Daveman | hey dondelelcaro :) |
| 22:35.28 | _Sam-- | stew: THATS an idea. |
| 22:35.39 | stew | _Sam--: its also a past failed experiment |
| 22:35.48 | _Sam-- | i know, with alot of heated debate. |
| 22:35.50 | dondelelcaro | nothing is stoping anyone who wants from paying release managers to work on Debian. |
| 22:35.54 | _Sam-- | and some seperation |
| 22:36.14 | dondelelcaro | hell, you can pay almost any developer who will accept money to work on Debian. Quite a few of them are paid to do exactly that |
| 22:36.27 | _Sam-- | why are the debian consortium content to sit back and let RHEL dominate enterprise computer? |
| 22:36.30 | _Sam-- | er computing |
| 22:36.32 | _Sam-- | i dont understand that |
| 22:36.37 | cartesia21984 | _Sam--: thanks. Do you think you could look over my rules to verify that they're sane? |
| 22:36.37 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: there is no "debian consortium" |
| 22:36.54 | _Sam-- | maybe thats the problem, then. |
| 22:36.58 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: and we aren't particularly concerned about our market share |
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| 22:37.36 | dondelelcaro | since we don't sell Debian, we're free to focus on making a good distribution with little regard for market capitalization. Kind of convenient, no? |
| 22:37.39 | _Sam-- | what is so wrong with offering one model where you charge something for something, and one where you give it for free with no support? |
| 22:37.57 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: nothing. Anyone who wants is free to do that |
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| 22:38.23 | _Sam-- | but think about the possibilities it opens up to debian admins....now, they may actually have a chance to utilize their skills for companies in a paying manner. |
| 22:38.36 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: they already have that chance, actually. |
| 22:38.48 | dondelelcaro | jikuty: please don't do that. |
| 22:38.54 | _Sam-- | not in the same manner as those who have been certified in RHEL, etc. |
| 22:39.00 | jikuty | sorry :D |
| 22:39.09 | jikuty | just wanted to make sure i wasn't lagged. |
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| 22:39.27 | _Sam-- | it opens up the chance for people who know debian, to teach it to other, for a fee. |
| 22:39.37 | _Sam-- | i just dont understand the downside risks to a model with paying customers. |
| 22:39.37 | MangosDebian | jikuty: /msg dpkg ping |
| 22:39.47 | _Sam-- | and training |
| 22:39.54 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: there are lots of people who administrate Debian who are paid for what they do. See http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 22:39.55 | jikuty | :d |
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| 22:40.05 | cartesia21984 | _Sam--: okay, I love agt. iptables in plain english is really cool. |
| 22:40.09 | _Sam-- | dondelelcaro : i myself am one of them. |
| 22:40.09 | bonez39 | I have this domain 'zugraum.com' registered...I own this one... if I ping it... ' ping zugraum.com' I get a response with this IP : 63.251.92.195 YET if I ' ping zugraum.dynalias.com ' then I get this IP : 24.10.147.163 the correct IP....why the two different IP addresses? |
| 22:40.11 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: you can hire administrators there and/or havea people train them |
| 22:40.20 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: so... what's the problem then? |
| 22:40.36 | _Sam-- | the problem is that debian isnt accepted in fortune 500 companies as viable solution |
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| 22:40.52 | _Sam-- | namely, because of the lack of support, and lack of proven reliability and interoperability among vendors. |
| 22:41.04 | krassy | one port of my switch is member of default vlan ID 1(untagged) and tagged vlan ID 337 to/from my ISP . Can I use debian to untagg the tagged traffic so from every port on my swich my client pc`s be able to reach the gateway on my ISP ? |
| 22:41.08 | _Sam-- | therein is the problem i am addressing. |
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| 22:41.36 | _Sam-- | and what is the downside risk to offering a support based subscription model? |
| 22:41.40 | _Sam-- | that nobody uses it ? |
| 22:41.46 | _Sam-- | in which case you are no worse off than today. |
| 22:42.25 | peterS | _Sam--: if you think the idea is so great, why aren't you offering a support-based subscription model for Debian? |
| 22:42.58 | _Sam-- | peterS : i would love to if i had the resources. |
| 22:43.01 | peterS | see again www.debian.org/consultants/, for other people who are doing that |
| 22:43.04 | Peacimowen | themill: (or whomever else wants to try helping with my aptitude problem) http://theshiningsun.no-ip.org/aptitude.txt |
| 22:43.09 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: you seem to be operating under the misconception that Debian is an actual company. It's not. Anyone who wants to is free to do what you're asking. |
| 22:43.24 | MangosDebian | _Sam--: im sure if you offered cash anyone of the people here who are skilled in what you need would offer their services if they are available |
| 22:43.56 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: the fact that no one has bothered should tell you that no one has felt it necessary, outside of the big players like HP et al. who have decided to do it |
| 22:44.18 | bonez39 | dondelelcaro: I'd like your eyes a minute ... when you are available...with my question.. |
| 22:44.25 | proqesi | does anyone have any guesses as to when sid will be moved to testing or stable? |
| 22:44.26 | _Sam-- | many things that nobody else has done have proven to be good ideas. |
| 22:44.53 | dondelelcaro | bonez39: ask away |
| 22:44.54 | _Sam-- | the fact that nobody has done it, does not mean it is or isnt viable at this point. |
| 22:45.00 | stew | Peacimowen: what exactly is the problem? |
| 22:45.02 | proqesi | there are support companies for debian, they're just hard to find |
| 22:45.05 | themill | Peacimowen: it looks like you've originall installed etch and changed your sources.list to start using lenny (testing) but haven't really upgraded fully to lenny. Does that sound right? |
| 22:45.18 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: no, but it does mean that noone has thought it necessary or viable. |
| 22:45.40 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: and at the end of the day, Debian is good at making a distribution, not providing support for the distribution. |
| 22:45.45 | _Sam-- | so just because nobody came out with an mp3 player before the ipod...it meant it wasnt viable or timed right? |
| 22:45.49 | proqesi | not to mention, a great deal of people hate working in support services |
| 22:45.49 | MangosDebian | bonez39: try again in about 28minutes when the ttl expires |
| 22:45.51 | _Sam-- | (bad example, i dont know that ipod was the first really) |
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| 22:46.10 | _Sam-- | it just means that nobody else has done it. and nothing more, nothing less. |
| 22:46.20 | peterS | _Sam--: whoa, major bad example. the ipod came like 6 years after the first portable mp3 player. I thought only apple fanboys still believed they invented the concept |
| 22:46.39 | _Sam-- | was a bad example, but just because something doesnt exist today, doesnt mean it isnt viable. |
| 22:46.51 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: and that no one thought it was useful; in any event, feel free to prove us nay sayers wrong |
| 22:46.58 | Peacimowen | stew: Trying to install things and aptitude is refusing to do so. |
| 22:47.11 | peterS | yeah ... but as dondelelcaro pointed out earlier, someone does think it useful, specifically Hewlett-Packard |
| 22:47.11 | Peacimowen | themill: I did a full upgrade when I switched to testing. |
| 22:47.17 | _Sam-- | so why is that rhel is able to provide such a monetized linux service if its not viable? |
| 22:47.32 | stew | Peacimowen: what exactly are you trying to install? |
| 22:47.35 | Peacimowen | I could try doing another upgrade |
| 22:47.39 | Peacimowen | pidgin |
| 22:47.45 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: it may be viable for them. I'm saying that it's not viable for the Debian project. |
| 22:48.14 | themill | Peacimowen: you might consider a dist-upgrade if you've not been tracking lenny on a regular basis. |
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| 22:48.39 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: RHEL is a company. It has a payroll. It has stock holders; it has bean counters and paper-clip pushers. Debian is not nor does it have any of these things. |
| 22:48.42 | themill | stew: Peacimowen aptitude output + sources.list: http://theshiningsun.no-ip.org/aptitude.txt |
| 22:49.04 | cartesian1984 | could somebody look over my iptables/agt rules: http://phpfi.com/253415 ? |
| 22:49.04 | dondelelcaro | all debian is is a collection of code monkeys |
| 22:49.08 | Drakeson | how can I download a set of packages and their dependencies? |
| 22:49.11 | _Sam-- | dondelelcaro : exactly. and that is why debian will never be successful (or as successful as others) in the enterprise. |
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| 22:49.27 | _Sam-- | they need to move forward |
| 22:49.40 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: *shrug* people have been telling us that for ages. So far they've been wrong |
| 22:49.47 | proqesi | _Sam--: erm, that's ludicrous. RedHat is a dismal failure |
| 22:49.56 | MangosDebian | bonez39: curious, did you setup your A record at name-services.com already? because that was my first query to dns and i still got the wrong ip |
| 22:50.03 | azeem | proqesi: eh |
| 22:50.06 | dondelelcaro | and frankly, we measure success by an entirely different metric than market penetration and market capitalization |
| 22:50.11 | _Sam-- | failure? they make tons of money, and have a huge chunk of enterprise computing that debian would kill for |
| 22:50.34 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: again, you seem not to understand that many Debian Developers do not measure success in terms of money. |
| 22:50.38 | stew | _Sam--: debian wouldnt kill for more money |
| 22:50.54 | _Sam-- | what is the measure of debians success if not installed users, or amount of profits? |
| 22:50.59 | peterS | _Sam--: debian also wouldn't kill for market share |
| 22:51.07 | _Sam-- | the fact that 12 guys had a good day and re-coded some kernel modules? |
| 22:51.18 | proqesi | _Sam--: microsoft makes an order of magnitude more money, and their latest OS is an even worse failure |
| 22:51.21 | stew | Peacimowen: are you using the aptitude frontend? |
| 22:51.22 | peterS | _Sam--: the fact that we have a distribution we feel as though we can be proud of |
| 22:51.23 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: success for us means a distribution that is techinically excellent which does what we need it to do. If that meant 1000 people used it or a billion people used it, it's all the same. |
| 22:51.28 | Peacimowen | stew: I was. |
| 22:51.42 | Bogus8 | hmm... I'm trying to figure out what is different between two directories... i tried "diff `ls -R <dir1>` `ls -R <dir2`" but that doesn't seem to work |
| 22:51.43 | Peacimowen | Is there a way to do an apt-get upgrade from within aptitude? |
| 22:51.45 | stew | Peacimowen: and none of the suggestions included installing pidgin? |
| 22:51.52 | Peacimowen | stew: None. |
| 22:51.56 | dondelelcaro | Peacimowen: yes. u U g; |
| 22:51.58 | _Sam-- | well if you are so proud of your hard work, and your distro -- then why wouldnt you want 1billion and not 1000 people using it? |
| 22:51.59 | stew | Peacimowen: 'U' will mark packages for upgrade |
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| 22:52.20 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: we've no problem with more people using it; we're just not interested in sacrificing the technical excellence to attain it |
| 22:52.21 | Peacimowen | mark specific packages. How about a global upgrade? |
| 22:52.24 | _Sam-- | i am a very big debianite -- have been for the last 8 years now. i am just bring up business related issues. |
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| 22:52.26 | stew | Peacimowen: so if you hit 'U' on "Upgradable packages" it will mark them all for upgrade |
| 22:52.34 | proqesi | _Sam--: because then the script kiddies and virus writers will target it |
| 22:52.44 | stew | proqesi: that has nothing to do with it |
| 22:53.05 | proqesi | stew: speak for yourself! |
| 22:53.15 | Peacimowen | ok |
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| 22:53.22 | MoDaX | proqesi: good luck for them :) |
| 22:53.24 | Peacimowen | working. Back in an hour or so. |
| 22:53.30 | Peacimowen | or two |
| 22:53.33 | _Sam-- | i got stuck on a rhel box this week on a dedicated server of ours, and believe me, i am not saying RHEL offers anything better than what debian is. it is for that reason, that i feel debian COULD make money offering the same thing. |
| 22:53.37 | Peacimowen | when all these downloads end |
| 22:53.37 | Gulars | the new kernel and the lvm package are held back on my laptop, when I run apt-get upgrade. how can I solve this? |
| 22:53.59 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: someone could make money offering it, but Debian itself isn't interested |
| 22:54.03 | stew | _Sam--: what happens when one of the debian volunteers decides to stop doing his job |
| 22:54.09 | MoDaX | Gulars: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:54.16 | _Sam-- | stew: if it was a paid service, then you would fire that person, and keep his pay. |
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| 22:54.20 | Gulars | thanks |
| 22:54.21 | Gulars | :D |
| 22:54.42 | stew | _Sam--: that's not how debian is structured though. re-read the debian constitution |
| 22:55.09 | peterS | _Sam--: you can't pay all 2000 or so people who contribute to debian. not without a much larger revenue stream than you are talking about. and we really, really, really are not interested in becoming a for-profit company |
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| 22:55.23 | _Sam-- | peterS: you wouldnt have 2000 people providing support |
| 22:55.35 | _Sam-- | you would have your open source code, and those people who write it, still for free. |
| 22:55.38 | peterS | _Sam--: stew wasn't talking about the person providing support, necessarily |
| 22:55.40 | MangosDebian | peterS: btw, out lottery numbers came in last week ;) |
| 22:55.44 | MangosDebian | our* |
| 22:55.44 | _Sam-- | and you would have a group of paid people to support the packages. |
| 22:55.58 | mavhc | just buy ubuntu |
| 22:56.08 | peterS | yeah, sounds like you want ubuntu |
| 22:56.09 | proqesi | _Sam--: it sounds like you want ubuntu |
| 22:56.11 | peterS | they have support contracts |
| 22:56.18 | peterS | you can throw money at canonical if you want |
| 22:56.20 | Bogus8 | hmm... I'm trying to figure out what is different between two directories... i tried "diff `ls -R <dir1>` `ls -R <dir2`" but that doesn't seem to work |
| 22:56.21 | azeem | lots of people have support contracts |
| 22:56.24 | azeem | just not Debia |
| 22:56.24 | azeem | n |
| 22:56.27 | _Sam-- | i dont want anything, nor do i need support. |
| 22:56.41 | _Sam-- | im pointing out that many enterprise that want linux, though, do. so many opt for rhel. |
| 22:56.41 | azeem | _Sam--: then maybe you're in the wrong channel |
| 22:56.42 | MangosDebian | Bogus8: have you tried just diff the 2 dir's themselves? |
| 22:56.54 | azeem | _Sam--: http://hp.com/go/debian |
| 22:56.55 | themill | Bogus8: diff -r dir1 dir2 |
| 22:57.02 | stew | _Sam--: yeah, and we are saying we doing really care that they opt for rhel |
| 22:57.02 | diafic | Anyone else notice MSN stops you sending .info URLs? |
| 22:57.06 | Bogus8 | MangosDebian: doh... guess I was over thinking it :( |
| 22:57.12 | themill | Bogus8: or for gui niceness, kdiff3 |
| 22:57.16 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: well, if you don't need support, then who does? In any event, I've clarified why Debian itself isn't going to change. Feel free to start your own company to provide it or find other people who are interested in doing it. |
| 22:57.19 | Bogus8 | no GUI here |
| 22:57.24 | MangosDebian | Bogus8: its ok, i like your rude goldberg diff though :) |
| 22:57.29 | _Sam-- | i believe HP is going to offer it. |
| 22:57.36 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: they already do |
| 22:57.41 | Bogus8 | MangosDebian: I tried :) |
| 22:57.45 | _Sam-- | no, for users of non hp hardware |
| 22:57.51 | _Sam-- | paid debian subscription like rhel |
| 22:57.52 | dwon | diafic: I don't know about .info URLs in particular, but I know that MSN has some borked filtering mechanism |
| 22:57.58 | _Sam-- | thats my opinion. |
| 22:58.01 | diafic | it does |
| 22:58.10 | Peacimowen | MSN? filters? |
| 22:58.15 | MangosDebian | Bogus8: its ok, didn't mean to break your spirit though ;P |
| 22:58.15 | diafic | its preventing me sending links to my domains over MSN |
| 22:58.16 | dondelelcaro | oh; I've no idea about support for non-HP hardware... HP is after all, primarily a hardware company. |
| 22:58.16 | mavhc | everyone knows all .info domains are spam, fact. |
| 22:58.18 | Peacimowen | hah |
| 22:58.30 | diafic | mavhc, 'cept mine ;-; |
| 22:58.40 | dwon | mavhc: reminds me of "startkeylogger" |
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| 22:58.52 | _Sam-- | there's been some interesting moves with HP adding alot of call center seats overseas |
| 22:58.58 | mavhc | MSN is just a way to keep the really stupid people off irc |
| 22:59.07 | Peacimowen | heh |
| 22:59.11 | MangosDebian | diafic: 99c for a domain? nice deal. 1 year? or 1 hour? :0 |
| 22:59.11 | themill | Bogus8: what didn't work about diffing the two dirs with -r? |
| 22:59.20 | Peacimowen | I hate the entirety of the MSN. |
| 22:59.20 | diafic | hah |
| 22:59.24 | diafic | godaddy, 1 year |
| 22:59.24 | harmattan | Hi everybody |
| 22:59.36 | _Sam-- | anywho im done my rant. the reason i brought it up is because i hate seeing all these people paying for RHEL, and debian gets nothing. |
| 22:59.41 | diafic | presuambly so they can be all: "want to renew it? $100 plz" |
| 22:59.50 | _Sam-- | and debian is better. |
| 22:59.53 | MangosDebian | diafic: doesn't godaddy like own your dns though? |
| 22:59.59 | diafic | nope. |
| 23:00.01 | proqesi | diafic: more like $8 |
| 23:00.03 | diafic | I use afraid. |
| 23:00.09 | diafic | its gone up then, pr |
| 23:00.13 | diafic | pr[tab] :P |
| 23:00.23 | Bogus8 | MangosDebian: nah, you didn't... just a lesson in over thinking ;) |
| 23:00.38 | peterS | _Sam--: honestly, we don't get _nothing_. RH puts its fair share of development resources into Linux. it trickles down. |
| 23:00.39 | Bogus8 | themill: the one with the two ls -R commands... it just didn't work |
| 23:00.57 | themill | Bogus8: no... the other one I suggested. diff -r dir1 dir2 |
| 23:00.58 | azeem | _Sam--: you forgot that RedHat pays a shitload of really important Free Software people |
| 23:01.07 | azeem | to do Free Software |
| 23:01.20 | cartesian1984 | azeem: Alan Cox is a fine example, yeah. |
| 23:01.33 | peterS | we don't necessarily agree with all the technical decisions RH makes (this is why we aren't Fedora), but they do provide a lot of value to the free software world |
| 23:01.37 | themill | Bogus8: include -q if you only want to see if things differ and not how |
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| 23:01.49 | mavhc | and also: free hats |
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| 23:02.01 | Bogus8 | themill: I know they differed du -hs told me that |
| 23:02.03 | peterS | most of which value is available for Debian to make use of |
| 23:02.36 | _Sam-- | what work of RH's paid programming staff is of most value to other linuces? |
| 23:02.48 | themill | Bogus8: diff -rq dir1 dir2 sounds like what you want. |
| 23:02.52 | themill | Bogus8: try it ;) |
| 23:03.00 | Bogus8 | themill: will do |
| 23:03.06 | azeem | _Sam--: glibc, gcc, binutils, linux, gnome |
| 23:03.07 | azeem | mostly |
| 23:03.18 | mavhc | are you suggesting a debian corporation, to earn money, whilst the .org stays free? |
| 23:03.34 | _Sam-- | mavhc: i dont have a formal proposal, but something similar. |
| 23:03.36 | themill | sounds mozilla like |
| 23:03.48 | _Sam-- | a paid version, with support of main apt packages, and free version, with no support. |
| 23:03.52 | stew | _Sam--: grep through the linux kernel sources and you find lots and lots of code contributed by redhat |
| 23:04.06 | stew | _Sam--: people that work on debian clearly defined by the constitution to be volunteers that you cannot force to do anything, which really doesn't lend itself well to a for-profit business |
| 23:04.07 | _Sam-- | azeem : i never had a problem with those things pre-RH |
| 23:04.19 | _Sam-- | glibc, gcc, binutils -- they have been around since my slackware 1.2 days |
| 23:04.22 | dondelelcaro | I'd be extreemly surprised if any Debian Developers supported forming a company using the Debian name |
| 23:04.22 | Bogus8 | themill: you were right... but now does it BOTH not have a dir? |
| 23:04.42 | dondelelcaro | I know I'd personally vote against such a plan |
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| 23:04.45 | _Sam-- | stew: i see what you're saying. |
| 23:04.46 | peterS | _Sam--: yes, well, they were also supported by a for-profit company, Cygnus, back in your slackware 1.2 days. Cygnus was bought by Red Hat. so it's the same deal. |
| 23:04.52 | mavhc | dondelelcaro: why? |
| 23:05.36 | dondelelcaro | mavhc: because it's trading on community good will and any actions or missteps it takes will affect Debian? |
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| 23:06.04 | robboplus | i know that this is WAY offtopic but perhaps someone heard of a specific rj-45 cable that acts as a simple hub and allows two computers on same cable? |
| 23:06.05 | solemnwarning | Do LVM snapshots need to be created in the same vg as the "real" lv? |
| 23:06.08 | dondelelcaro | mavhc: and more importantly, it'll be responsible to shareholders or investors rather than just Developers |
| 23:06.10 | robboplus | kind of rj-45 splitter? |
| 23:06.15 | peterS | the support arm could be named Debian Users Non-profit Corporation-Tank |
| 23:06.32 | themill | Bogus8: sorry, not sure what you mean. (and I'm afraid I've got to go to bed....) |
| 23:06.32 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: you mean a crossover cable? |
| 23:06.35 | mavhc | dondelelcaro: assuming it had any |
| 23:06.36 | _Sam-- | robboplus : i have seen those cables, but typically they interface with a special board |
| 23:06.37 | peterS | (fyi, anyone who wonders what the -Tank part means clearly doesn't get the rest of it either) |
| 23:06.44 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: or are you talking about three computers connected by the same line? |
| 23:06.46 | azeem | _Sam--: "being around" and "actively being developed" are two things |
| 23:06.49 | proqesi | peterS: DUNC? |
| 23:06.53 | robboplus | _Sam-- hm so nothing that can be done at home? |
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| 23:07.00 | peterS | proqesi: yes |
| 23:07.09 | robboplus | dondelelcaro hm not really |
| 23:07.10 | dondelelcaro | mavhc: it'd have to; someone has to have the cash to start everything |
| 23:07.12 | proqesi | peterS: then people could call them dunces |
| 23:07.21 | peterS | proqesi: if you feed 'DUNC-Tank' into google, it will tell you all about it |
| 23:07.32 | robboplus | dondelelcaro more like a simple rj-45 splitter... allows two computers on one rj-45 connection |
| 23:07.38 | Bogus8 | themill: no problem... thanks... it just said two dirs didn't exist that were essentially the same dir ./dir ./dir both not found type of thing |
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| 23:07.41 | _Sam-- | robboplus : im not positive. its probably not like likely. |
| 23:07.43 | mavhc | I saw a device that split, at both ends, the 8 wires into 2 4 wire connections |
| 23:07.50 | robboplus | mavhc yesyes |
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| 23:07.57 | robboplus | that's the thing |
| 23:08.06 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: that requires a hub/switch, unless you mean breaking out the RJ-45 connector |
| 23:08.06 | mavhc | no idea where though |
| 23:08.09 | robboplus | i'm trying to find out the name for it |
| 23:08.13 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: those you just make manually |
| 23:08.22 | solemnwarning | robboplus: It's an ethernet splitter |
| 23:08.26 | peterS | robboplus: but what this requires is that you wire your RJ-45 port such that the 8 wires are connected to two ports in your wire closet, not just one port with 4 unused wires, like we normally do |
| 23:08.26 | robboplus | oh yes. |
| 23:08.29 | solemnwarning | You can buy them.... somwhere |
| 23:08.34 | solemnwarning | But don't use them unless you have to |
| 23:08.45 | solemnwarning | You get crosstalk and that causes loss |
| 23:08.50 | robboplus | hm. |
| 23:08.58 | solemnwarning | And if you ever want gigabit, that needs all 8 wires |
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| 23:09.00 | dondelelcaro | the only RJ-45 splitters I've seen are for going to RJ-11 stuff |
| 23:09.13 | _Sam-- | or they are multiport adapters |
| 23:09.13 | dondelelcaro | or single pair voice |
| 23:09.16 | _Sam-- | or gang jacks |
| 23:09.17 | peterS | solemnwarning: wait, why would you get crosstalk? I thought that's why the twisted pairs were twisted pairs |
| 23:09.21 | cafuego | what? |
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| 23:09.45 | robboplus | now i'm confused because you are all very helpful as usual |
| 23:09.49 | cartesian1984 | IRCing from this box works when I have -P INPUT ACCEPT, but not when when it's DENY. Why would I need INPUT's default policy to be that? If I initiate a connection, isn't it determined by OUTPUT whether I can connect? |
| 23:09.51 | solemnwarning | peterS: Having two ethernet connections right next to each other in the same sleeve causes loss at high load |
| 23:10.09 | robboplus | solemnwarning that's for home use and 512kbps line |
| 23:10.11 | _Sam-- | robboplus : is the rj45 for serial cable or network cable? |
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| 23:10.18 | peterS | solemnwarning: why doesn't this cause problems in wire closets where you have big tangles of connections all running together? |
| 23:10.19 | robboplus | do you think it will be fine and worth my time? |
| 23:10.27 | robboplus | _Sam-- network |
| 23:10.34 | solemnwarning | peterS: The sleeves create some space between the pairs |
| 23:10.37 | cartesian1984 | Am I right in thinking with iptables that INPUT=incoming and OUTPUT=outgoing? |
| 23:10.40 | _Sam-- | why not just get a damn hub? |
| 23:10.41 | mavhc | the only use would be so you didn't need to run 2 cables a long distance |
| 23:10.43 | _Sam-- | they are what like 19 bucks? |
| 23:10.48 | peterS | solemnwarning: what sleeves? I'm talking about on the punch board |
| 23:10.54 | jmoiron | so my serial problem is actually an IRQ conflict w/ the ethernet cards |
| 23:10.55 | solemnwarning | peterS: Not sure why |
| 23:11.01 | solemnwarning | I just know it happens |
| 23:11.04 | dondelelcaro | peterS: distance matters |
| 23:11.10 | robboplus | _Sam-- it's easier for me to build the splitter than to grab a hub |
| 23:11.11 | peterS | perhaps |
| 23:11.14 | jmoiron | is there any way to force my ethernet cards to a certain set of irq's from userspace? (not bios, since the bios is really flaky on this box) |
| 23:11.30 | dondelelcaro | peterS: course, they're supposed to be twisted to minimize that; I don't know how much of a problem it actually is |
| 23:11.44 | jmoiron | they were taking 6 and 3 before, but now they are taking 11 and 10 (much to my chagrin) |
| 23:11.47 | peterS | jmoiron: probably only if they are ISA-plug-n-play. otherwise it depends on the IRQ routing set up by your motherboard |
| 23:11.57 | _Sam-- | if your time has no value, then that would be true. if you make 30 an hour, and it takes you an hour of research to make the rj45 splitter, its cheaper to buy a hub. |
| 23:12.21 | _Sam-- | in my case, if it took longer than 5 minutes to build the splitter, it would be a money loser. |
| 23:12.22 | solemnwarning | _Sam--: RJ-45 splitters are trivial to make |
| 23:12.31 | solemnwarning | And you can buy them ready made |
| 23:12.54 | peterS | solemnwarning: yeah but for how much less than a 5-port switch? I mean that's like $25 |
| 23:13.08 | alaya | no crap. get a switch. |
| 23:13.18 | solemnwarning | peterS: A couple of splitters would be cheaper |
| 23:13.19 | stew | i've done all sorts of insane stuff with cat3 even which works |
| 23:13.33 | solemnwarning | A splitter is just a PCB with a couple of ethernet ports and a short cat5 cable |
| 23:13.35 | _Sam-- | the cost of a belkin modular rj45 is more than the cost of a hub. |
| 23:13.42 | _Sam-- | er modular rj45 splitter |
| 23:13.47 | _Sam-- | http://www.computerhq.com/Belkin_RJ45_Modular_Splitter_T-A/R6G058/hardware/partinfo-id-98247.html |
| 23:14.17 | MangosDebian | stew: cat3 ethernet? |
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| 23:14.36 | stew | yeah |
| 23:14.39 | solemnwarning | Isn't cat3 phone cable? |
| 23:14.41 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:14.42 | MangosDebian | ya |
| 23:14.43 | peterS | _Sam--: but then, if you're in a professional setting, you may as well just double your cable runs from the get go and have multiple wall ports |
| 23:14.47 | alaya | a switch for $2.26 plus shipping on ebay... |
| 23:14.58 | MangosDebian | stew: you get full duplex 100 out of it without issue? |
| 23:15.01 | cartesian1984 | _Sam--: would you mind giving me a little help with agt? I get disconnected from IRC when I have 'default input drop', and I don't see why. |
| 23:15.02 | peterS | solemnwarning: yes, but it works, sort of, for 10baseT. (but _not_ 100baseTX.) |
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| 23:15.12 | solemnwarning | peterS: Like I said earlier |
| 23:15.14 | stew | it works sometimes for 100bt |
| 23:15.22 | solemnwarning | Depends on load and conditions |
| 23:15.24 | MangosDebian | stew: how long of a run? |
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| 23:15.46 | _Sam-- | cartesian did you add some trusted hosts in there that are OK to make it through the firewall ? |
| 23:15.52 | _Sam-- | # these networks are trusted, accept all traffic |
| 23:15.52 | _Sam-- | input accept on eth+ from 10.8.0.0/24 |
| 23:15.52 | _Sam-- | input accept on eth+ from 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 23:16.00 | stew | uhh, from the basement to the 4th floor and maybe a 50 foot run on the 4th floor |
| 23:16.26 | stew | running 3 or 4 ethernet connections on a 24 pair cat3 cable |
| 23:16.36 | _Sam-- | i use default input drop setting here, and im on irc now... |
| 23:16.39 | solemnwarning | 24-pair?! o_O |
| 23:16.44 | stew | and got 10mb no problem which was faster than the internet connection anyway |
| 23:16.49 | peterS | stew: so like 80-100 ft, or 1/3 the 10baseT limit |
| 23:16.55 | MangosDebian | stew: 3x cat3? |
| 23:17.15 | stew | peterS: yeah |
| 23:17.23 | stew | MangosDebian: what do you mean by 3x? |
| 23:17.37 | peterS | he means 24 wires instead of 6 or 8 |
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| 23:17.46 | MangosDebian | stew: cat3 is 8 conductor, into 24 wires is...ah nm, 24 "pairs" :) |
| 23:18.09 | MangosDebian | isnt that ampehnol or something? |
| 23:18.15 | stew | MangosDebian: no cat3 doesn't specify the number of conducturs, it specifies the gauge of the wires and how they are twisted |
| 23:18.19 | _Sam-- | the amphenol is a 1 for 1 connection |
| 23:18.28 | _Sam-- | it just makes the cables into one fat one |
| 23:18.56 | _Sam-- | then you just plug the amphenol into the gang jack (sorry if my terminology is off) |
| 23:19.04 | MangosDebian | stew: ahh sorry, just assumed you meant 8 wire lines |
| 23:19.06 | _Sam-- | the gang jack breaks out the individual connector |
| 23:19.07 | cartesian1984 | _Sam--: wait, do you think maybe I need my gateway as a trusted host? |
| 23:19.18 | _Sam-- | cartesian1984 : yes |
| 23:19.27 | cartesian1984 | _Sam--: (I'm not nat'd) |
| 23:19.30 | cartesian1984 | _Sam--: oh, okay. |
| 23:19.42 | cartesian1984 | _Sam--: thanks. |
| 23:19.48 | ErkiDerLoon1 | Hi! My computer recently crashed and since then can't swap on my swap partition any more. |
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| 23:19.59 | _Sam-- | my gateway is a trusted host, but the other side of the gateway connection isnt |
| 23:20.02 | MangosDebian | _Sam--: nothing to stop you from mangling the wire and using like he did though. I know my last building was rich with them and they weren't in use for years |
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| 23:20.49 | _Sam-- | (my gateway IS my linux box, though) |
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| 23:23.50 | CppIsWeird | how do i do a bad sector scan on a hard disk? |
| 23:24.06 | _Sam-- | depends on the filesystem, but generally, i use e2fsck |
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| 23:24.18 | b52laptop | hi |
| 23:24.20 | MangosDebian | CppIsWeird: nowadays you dont need to since hd relocates behind the scene |
| 23:24.21 | peterS | CppIsWeird: the 'badblocks' program |
| 23:24.57 | MangosDebian | CppIsWeird: ie: you should never see any unless your drives on its way out and SMART errors say so |
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| 23:25.37 | peterS | MangosDebian: well, there was that recent statistic from google that 30% of failed hard drives never got SMART warnings |
| 23:25.42 | abrotman | MangosDebian: that's not true .. i had 2 smart errors like .. three years ago .. not one since |
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| 23:25.53 | peterS | MangosDebian: (google is this company with a rather large datacenter, large enough to take statistics of such things) |
| 23:25.59 | MangosDebian | abrotman: and were they specific to bad sectors? |
| 23:26.05 | abrotman | MangosDebian: yeah .. all of them |
| 23:26.10 | abrotman | every sector was bad |
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| 23:26.16 | abrotman | they're all dead! |
| 23:26.26 | abrotman | i'd have to check again :) |
| 23:26.30 | MangosDebian | peterS: ya, i remember seeing something from them a while back |
| 23:26.33 | b52laptop | plz ppl i got this script that crashing my network :( http://rafb.net/p/3H2PIL67.html |
| 23:26.53 | CppIsWeird | if i just want to scan a hard drive, what paramaters do i need with badblocks, all that crap looks greek to me |
| 23:27.04 | abrotman | b52laptop: did you try to connect to the bridge IP ? |
| 23:27.11 | MangosDebian | abrotman: sounds like some of the heads are out of alignment |
| 23:27.33 | abrotman | MangosDebian: it was awhile ago .. hasn't happened again since .. i'll be more likely to get a new lappie before it dies |
| 23:27.34 | peterS | CppIsWeird: read the documentation: "man badblocks" |
| 23:27.40 | b52laptop | abrotman, i'm trying to establish a bridge (i'm using openvpn) .... |
| 23:27.46 | abrotman | b52laptop: i see that |
| 23:27.48 | CppIsWeird | not everyone has the time to spend all day reading documentation |
| 23:27.52 | peterS | abrotman: w00t |
| 23:27.53 | MangosDebian | abrotman: could happen if your servo platter head got jarred i suppose |
| 23:28.03 | abrotman | peterS: dont' you have a laptop or three already? |
| 23:28.42 | MangosDebian | hmm, seems like they don't even use those anymore :( |
| 23:28.43 | peterS | abrotman: I have 3, all broken. one is an 8086. the second is a Pentium 133 or something. the third is recent, but has a totally busted hard drive, I need to find time and money to go find a replacement drive |
| 23:28.46 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:29.09 | peterS | abrotman: and by recent I mean perhaps 4 years old |
| 23:29.16 | abrotman | mine is 3-4 years old |
| 23:29.22 | Bogus8 | how can I use find -exec to run an app on a file in a sub dir ... kind of like this <app> -9 sub/dir/infile sub/dir/outfile |
| 23:29.37 | CppIsWeird | can anyone tell me a basic statement to generically scan a hard drive for bad sectors using badblocks? |
| 23:29.48 | abrotman | 2.4Ghz for age ... |
| 23:29.53 | JeremyK | CppIsWeird: man badblocks |
| 23:29.55 | MangosDebian | Bogus8: find ./ -type f -exec <cmd> "{}" \; |
| 23:29.58 | peterS | Bogus8: -exec your command -9 {}/infile {}/outfile \; |
| 23:30.03 | CppIsWeird | im not reading that |
| 23:30.09 | JeremyK | CppIsWeird: why not? |
| 23:30.14 | peterS | CppIsWeird: suit yourself |
| 23:30.19 | JeremyK | if you can't read manpages, you're going to have a difficult time with linux. |
| 23:30.31 | CppIsWeird | im not a loser with all my life to read 100 pages of utterly useless shit every time i want to do something. |
| 23:30.32 | Bogus8 | MangosDebian: that is the base of what I'm trying to work from but it's the sub dir in the out file that I can't figure out |
| 23:30.40 | JeremyK | CppIsWeird: then please, go back to windows. |
| 23:30.51 | peterS | CppIsWeird: with that attitude, no wonder you get so much good help in #debian |
| 23:30.52 | Bogus8 | peterS: "infile" is that a variable thing? |
| 23:31.05 | abrotman | CppIsWeird: are you even running Debian? |
| 23:31.12 | peterS | Bogus8: I don't know. you are the one who used the word, not me |
| 23:31.38 | peterS | CppIsWeird: if you actually want us to help you, it's not a great idea to tell us that we are losers and that what we read is utterly useless |
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| 23:32.03 | peterS | CppIsWeird: meanwhile, go RTFM. obviously you didn't even look at it, because if you had looked you would have noticed that it is far shorter than 100 pages |
| 23:32.06 | Bogus8 | peterS: ah, well I want to use `find` to find matching files and then go into that dir and run the command and have the output file go to that same sub dir |
| 23:32.19 | peterS | Bogus8: how is find supposed to know the name of the output file? |
| 23:32.38 | _Sam-- | CppIsWeird : you could always pay for debian paid support! |
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| 23:32.55 | CppIsWeird | if i was going to pay, what would be the point of using an OS as useless as linux? |
| 23:33.02 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 23:33.03 | JeremyK | please ignore the troll guys. |
| 23:33.04 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@unaffiliated/CppIsWeird] by peterS |
| 23:33.04 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 23:33.09 | JeremyK | oh haha |
| 23:33.12 | JeremyK | that works too :) |
| 23:33.15 | Bogus8 | peterS: that is another part of my problem... I would be ok with the same name different extension |
| 23:33.16 | peterS | yes, we will. collectively. |
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| 23:33.38 | abrotman | i've got $10 he wasn't even running debian :) |
| 23:33.38 | _Sam-- | thats one way to get a lot of help |
| 23:33.41 | lithophyte | I want to run debian in the background, something like: (startx &); logout , so that someone can't use ctrl+alt+backspace to gain access to my shell.. But it give me X: user not authorized to run X server |
| 23:33.54 | peterS | Bogus8: if you don't mind just _adding_ another extension, that's easy enough. -exec your command {} {}.output \; |
| 23:33.58 | abrotman | he's floating through channels asking how |
| 23:34.01 | cartesian1984 | _Sam--: huh. Still nothing. I don't understand it. |
| 23:34.02 | lithophyte | why can't I run startx in the background |
| 23:34.09 | MangosDebian | _Sam--: now you see? if we were paid, we wouldnt be able to do that :) |
| 23:34.17 | JeremyK | lithophyte: use xdm instead |
| 23:34.28 | MangosDebian | lithophyte: perhaps gdm/xdm/kdm? |
| 23:34.28 | Bogus8 | peterS: ok, I'll sit with this and see what I can hammer out... thanks! |
| 23:34.42 | peterS | abrotman: I won't bet against that. not that we'll ever know. |
| 23:34.49 | _Sam-- | lol! |
| 23:34.50 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 23:35.34 | MangosDebian | lithophyte: if you dont want access to the shell, edit /etc/inittab and comment out the getty's and init q |
| 23:35.45 | _Sam-- | e2fsck was a bad recommendation for something to scan for bad sectors? |
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| 23:35.52 | JeremyK | MangosDebian: no, I think he wanted to start X and log out |
| 23:36.02 | JeremyK | so X would be running but they wouldn't have access to his shell |
| 23:36.07 | peterS | _Sam--: badblocks is what scans for bad sectors. e2fsck scans for inconsistent filesystem metadata |
| 23:36.16 | MangosDebian | JeremyK: he said he didnt want ctrl-alt-bkspc to allow access to console to login though |
| 23:36.27 | _Sam-- | peterS : i thought one of the passes of the e2fsck scans does scheck for bad sectors |
| 23:36.30 | JeremyK | MangosDebian: to log in? or just to access his already running shell? |
| 23:36.32 | MangosDebian | JeremyK: but even then you still can ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 23:36.38 | peterS | _Sam--: it may be that e2fsck has a mode where it can invoke badblocks transparently. I haven't checked. I guess mke2fs has such a mode. |
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| 23:36.54 | MangosDebian | JeremyK: ahh, perhaps he meant an already logged in shell with the startx & |
| 23:36.57 | JeremyK | yes |
| 23:37.01 | peterS | _Sam--: no, scanning for bad sectors is extremely slow, you wouldn't want that to happen at boot time |
| 23:37.04 | JeremyK | that's how i read it anyways :) |
| 23:37.23 | peterS | _Sam--: this is inherent, because you can't scan for bad sectors without reading (and, optionally, writing) every last bit of data on the platter |
| 23:37.28 | _Sam-- | you dont have to run e2fsck only at boot, depending on the filesystem and whats mounted. |
| 23:37.54 | peterS | _Sam--: yeah but it _does_ run at boot |
| 23:37.55 | _Sam-- | but im not arguing, only trying to learn. |
| 23:38.04 | JeremyK | lithophyte: MangosDebian and I recomment xdm/kdm/gdm :) |
| 23:38.23 | abrotman | pdm! |
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| 23:38.38 | MangosDebian | ? another dm? |
| 23:38.38 | lontra | pdm? |
| 23:38.42 | MangosDebian | !pdm |
| 23:38.43 | lontra | what about entrance? |
| 23:38.51 | abrotman | !dm |
| 23:38.52 | dpkg | DM means display manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 23:38.55 | abrotman | !info pdm etch |
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| 23:39.02 | abrotman | oh .. stupid bot |
| 23:39.07 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 23:39.22 | abrotman | oh .. apparently removed .. oh well .. there are others :) |
| 23:39.23 | MangosDebian | abrotman: your bot-fu sucks! *ducks* |
| 23:39.33 | abrotman | maybe it was in woody .. don't remember |
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| 23:40.02 | peterS | MangosDebian: he is the abotman, what are you talking about |
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| 23:40.10 | abrotman | hrm .. 2001 |
| 23:40.17 | MangosDebian | peterS: inside joke from this morning :) |
| 23:40.18 | abrotman | i guess that'd be eithe rwoody or slink |
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| 23:40.33 | abrotman | erm .. potato |
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| 23:40.36 | peterS | well, there was a potato between those two |
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| 23:41.47 | jpin | Hi, do the packages go "offline" after a new release? i mean, is it possible to get gspca-modules-2.6.21-1-686 after gspca-modules-2.6.21-2-686 is out? (notice the -1- to -2- difference) |
| 23:41.48 | loupgaroublond | hmm... mepis is switching back to using debian for their base |
| 23:42.19 | peterS | wait, what did MEPIS switch to? ubuntu? |
| 23:42.24 | azeem | peterS: yes |
| 23:42.31 | loupgaroublond | ubuntu dapper, they went with the LTS version |
| 23:42.32 | azeem | http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS6170488551.html |
| 23:42.48 | peterS | crap. so now we'll get all the mepis users in here again, thinking M == Debian. |
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| 23:43.05 | loupgaroublond | i was wondering if this is going to be the next fad |
| 23:43.40 | _Sam-- | speaking of filesystem problems...anyone know why when i reboot this machine that has softraid, often times when it comes back up, one of the two mirrored raid partitions fails to become part of the array automatically. the box boots a degraded md0, then after boot, if i mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sdb1 it hot adds it right back into the arry fine |
| 23:43.48 | MangosDebian | loupgaroublond: i think ubuntu is the current fad no? |
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| 23:44.05 | abrotman | peterS: when did we stop getting them ? |
| 23:44.22 | peterS | abrotman: I dunno, I haven't noticed any lately. maybe they never quit coming. |
| 23:44.24 | _Sam-- | its a remote machine with no remote console access so i dont know what it does or doesnt say at boot |
| 23:44.26 | azeem | well, I think those are more rare lately |
| 23:44.41 | abrotman | or perhaps the mepis irc client defaults to #ubuntu now |
| 23:44.44 | loupgaroublond | MangosDebian, it is, but i'm wondering if mepis is going to stick with debian, or just start ping ponging between debian stable and ubuntu LTS |
| 23:44.45 | MangosDebian | _Sam--: partition type fd or add the device to the config file perhaps? (noob when it comes to md raid) |
| 23:44.49 | azeem | abrotman: no |
| 23:45.00 | azeem | abrotman: the /Ubuntu/ irc client defaults to #ubuntu :) |
| 23:45.12 | abrotman | odd .. i thought it defaulted to #debian :) |
| 23:45.12 | azeem | as if MEPIS did anything to prevent that |
| 23:45.12 | loupgaroublond | at any rate, they said they're going with a best of the breed for the apps in terms of ubuntu vs. debian source |
| 23:45.19 | _Sam-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.21 | azeem | abrotman: well, at least xchat would |
| 23:45.25 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:45.35 | azeem | abrotman: I'm pretty sure they patched most of the others as well, though |
| 23:45.39 | _Sam-- | mdadm.conf: devices=/dev/sda1,/dev/sdb1 |
| 23:45.42 | abrotman | bout damn time |
| 23:45.50 | azeem | ... several years ago |
| 23:45.54 | abrotman | lies! |
| 23:45.59 | abrotman | they keep coming back! |
| 23:46.15 | azeem | yeah, /back/ |
| 23:46.17 | _Sam-- | oh well i guess i will just have to live with it |
| 23:46.25 | azeem | but they're not getting help in #u in the first place |
| 23:46.30 | azeem | anyway, time for bed |
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| 23:46.50 | abrotman | night azeem! |
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| 23:50.17 | magyar | how can i find out wich network an ip address belongs to? |
| 23:50.26 | Heston | hello, should /usr/include/limits.h be different than /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/include/limits.h? |
| 23:50.34 | cafuego | magyar: whois <ip address> |
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| 23:50.59 | Heston | Or is /usr/include/limits.h simply a symlink to whatever std you have installed? |
| 23:51.02 | magyar | cafuego: i need to know the subnet of the provider |
| 23:51.11 | abrotman | so ask the netblock owner |
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| 23:52.40 | magyar | abrotman: is there a website where a plug the ip and get where it belongs to? |
| 23:53.11 | tcsetattr | magyar, use whois |
| 23:53.19 | abrotman | arin.net |
| 23:53.28 | tcsetattr | I like jwhois actually |
| 23:53.45 | abrotman | you would |
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| 23:54.07 | peterS | hey, tcsetattr, you're back on freenode. I guess this is related to you popping into #svn the other day? |
| 23:56.45 | Caelum | how do you tell from /proc/cpuinfo if the xeon supports amd64? |
| 23:56.52 | Bogus8 | peterS: -execdir seems to be the answer I needed |
| 23:57.31 | peterS | Caelum: there's a flag in the 'flags' line. I forget the name. what is your 'flags' line? |
| 23:57.50 | Caelum | peterS: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe cid xtpr |
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| 23:58.06 | Caelum | peterS: on a 64bit machine, it is: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm syscall lm pni monitor ds_cpl est tm2 cid cx16 xtpr |
| 23:58.11 | tcsetattr | peterS, since there is nobody on #svn here... |
| 23:58.25 | tcsetattr | er, there was nobody on #svn there. |
| 23:58.32 | peterS | right |
| 23:58.33 | tcsetattr | lost track of which one I was on. |
| 23:58.45 | tcsetattr | guess it doesn't matter much. |
| 23:58.55 | peterS | Caelum: hmmm, I thought there was an indicator flag, but I'm not seeing one right away |
| 23:59.01 | tcsetattr | amd64's cpuinfo flag is "lm" for long mode |
| 23:59.12 | peterS | ah, right |
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