| 00:00.14 | tcsetattr | actually the reason I'm on freenode right now is because I had just done "!irc" at my prompt and accidentalyl got a repeat of last night's command :) |
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| 00:00.23 | peterS | heh |
| 00:00.30 | peterS | so did you ever finish downloading that svn checkout? |
| 00:00.44 | peterS | the one that gave you so much trouble because when it was interrupted, the working copy wasn't quite self-consistent? |
| 00:00.44 | Caelum | tcsetattr, peterS: thank you! |
| 00:00.50 | tcsetattr | (well irc^[[A with ^[[A bound to history-beginning-search-backward but there's no need to go into all that) |
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| 00:01.17 | cafuego | magyar: why? |
| 00:01.32 | harlekin_ | Hello. I am about to install pure-ftpd but installing give me the following error: invoke-rc.d: initscript pure-ftpd, action "start" failed. dpkg return error value of 252. |
| 00:01.36 | tcsetattr | I finished it by breaking it up into pieces... if I run "svn update somedir" and let taht finish, that dir doesn't give me any more trouble. Only the dirs that were incomplete at the time of the interruption don't resume. |
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| 00:01.52 | peterS | right |
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| 00:02.00 | cafuego | magyar: You can calculate it from the whois info, it will tell you which IP range the IP you searched for is part of. |
| 00:02.01 | harlekin_ | I've found a similar problem in google, but without any solution. Does anyone of you know whats wrong there? |
| 00:02.35 | dondelelcaro | harlekin_: you'll have to look at why /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd start; is failing. |
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| 00:03.23 | harlekin_ | dondelelcaro: /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd start doesn't give any error. In fact, it seems as if it succeeds. But pure-ftpd isnt running (pgrep ftp return nothing). |
| 00:03.34 | militant | alright guys. i've got an onboard via video adapter.. and a gforce3. can i run multihead here? |
| 00:04.02 | tcsetattr | harlekin_ if it doesn't print an error message, it could still have returned an error code. echo $? afterward and you'll probably get the 252 |
| 00:04.28 | harlekin_ | tcsetattr: Thats correct. What does 252 mean? |
| 00:04.48 | tcsetattr | I dunno. script is broken. try running sh -x /etc/init.d/blah blah blah |
| 00:05.05 | Bogus8 | how would I use () in find to change an extention... i see how I can add to it but I'd like to strip the current extension and add a different one |
| 00:05.26 | peterS | Bogus8: I don't think find can do that, with or without () |
| 00:05.39 | peterS | Bogus8: you may be interested in running prename afterwards |
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| 00:05.51 | Bogus8 | peterS: which would explain why you see extensions added on files so much |
| 00:06.01 | Bogus8 | prename.. I'll look |
| 00:06.26 | peterS | Bogus8: prename lets you batch-rename files based on Perl code, commonly just a search/replace regular expression |
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| 00:06.48 | NetEcho | whats the command to manually start a DHCP connection |
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| 00:06.57 | NetEcho | for some reason it won't initialise on startup |
| 00:06.57 | Bogus8 | peterS: got the man page up... it's refering to "rename" though... is that correct? |
| 00:07.05 | peterS | NetEcho: 'ifup eth0' if it is the eth0 interface |
| 00:07.21 | NetEcho | says already configured |
| 00:07.22 | magyar | cafuego: thanks |
| 00:07.23 | peterS | Bogus8: yeah. rename was, ahem, renamed to prename recently, and its manpage didn't get updated |
| 00:07.25 | NetEcho | but I can't ping any hosts |
| 00:07.41 | Bogus8 | peterS: ok, cool just making sure |
| 00:07.43 | harlekin_ | tcsetattr: Running pure-ftpd manually won't spawn a process either. What shall sh -x tell me? |
| 00:07.47 | Bogus8 | NetEcho: what does ifconfig tell you now? |
| 00:07.55 | tcsetattr | sh -x tells you all the commands run by the init.d script. |
| 00:08.11 | peterS | Bogus8: if you can read perl, /usr/bin/prename is a fairly simple script. you can learn about it almost as fast just by reading the code as by reading the docs (: |
| 00:08.12 | NetEcho | it only established a local loopback |
| 00:08.21 | NetEcho | the connection to my router is nonexistant on eth0 and eth1 |
| 00:08.31 | NetEcho | I tryed dhclient |
| 00:08.32 | magyar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.47 | NetEcho | ah there we go |
| 00:08.54 | Bogus8 | peterS: well, I don't know perl so I'll be hammering through this as I can |
| 00:08.56 | NetEcho | the cable wasn't in all the way on the router |
| 00:09.13 | Bogus8 | NetEcho: LOL nice |
| 00:09.18 | peterS | Bogus8: the simple case is something like prename 's/.txt.output/.out/' *.output |
| 00:09.33 | NetEcho | yea its a broken cable :@ |
| 00:09.36 | Bogus8 | NetEcho: don't you hate it when you are cursing the OS/software and it ends up being something lame like that |
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| 00:09.57 | NetEcho | wasn't cursing linux |
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| 00:09.58 | Bogus8 | peterS: cool |
| 00:10.04 | peterS | Bogus8: the s/// syntax in Perl is rather similar to the same thing in sed, and is a common expression in informal unix admin communication too, so you may have run across it |
| 00:10.05 | NetEcho | was cursing the laptop actually |
| 00:10.09 | Bogus8 | NetEcho: Oh, I have been there before |
| 00:10.10 | NetEcho | I thought the ethernet port was being a dick |
| 00:10.35 | peterS | NetEcho: that would be DICKnet, errr, I mean, DECnet |
| 00:10.40 | b52laptop | anyone using openvpn under bridging mode ? |
| 00:11.29 | NetEcho | lol. |
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| 00:12.51 | utopianegra | www.utopianegra.com ( I am looking opinion ) |
| 00:13.44 | harlekin_ | How can I reconfigure an application? |
| 00:14.41 | bendover | harlekin_: dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 00:14.47 | harlekin_ | bendover: thansk |
| 00:14.49 | harlekin_ | *thanks |
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| 00:16.41 | utopianegra | i will try change the fonts |
| 00:16.42 | utopianegra | thx. |
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| 00:17.28 | harlekin_ | Mh. I cannot reconfigure pure-ftpd as it is broken or not fully installed. How to fix that? \: |
| 00:18.11 | dondelelcaro | harlekin_: dpkg --configure -a; |
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| 00:19.55 | harlekin_ | dondelelcaro: Okay, thanks. Well, the error persists. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1321741 is the same error I get, if that helps. |
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| 00:21.14 | tcsetattr | did you ever run that sh -x? |
| 00:21.39 | harlekin_ | tcsetattr: Yes. I run sh -x /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd start. But theres nothing unusual to me. |
| 00:22.26 | tcsetattr | raise your unusualometer. |
| 00:23.36 | dondelelcaro | harlekin_: what was the full output of sh -x? |
| 00:23.54 | dondelelcaro | harlekin_: also, what was the exit code of /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd start? |
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| 00:24.47 | _Sam-- | dondelelcaro : not to beat a dead horse, while kinda...but i just got home and was thinking further about what we talked about earlier...in this case, namely paid consultants that will do debian work for a fee. |
| 00:25.10 | _Sam-- | unless im not up to speed -- there is no certification program or path to verify an individual really has the requisite skills? |
| 00:25.14 | harlekin_ | dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/p/U3E4ds35.html Thats the output I get. |
| 00:25.28 | _Sam-- | and so therefore, businesses and/or consumers may not be able to put their full trust in those consultants |
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| 00:26.15 | _Sam-- | and hence, why it is hard to convince larger businesses of the value of debian. |
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| 00:27.31 | Heston | _Sam--, there is a linux+ certification |
| 00:27.41 | Heston | from CompTia |
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| 00:28.05 | _Sam-- | im not sure that would be an apples to apples comparison of the rhel coursework and certifications |
| 00:28.37 | _Sam-- | but thanks for pointing me to that. |
| 00:29.27 | stew | _Sam--: there is also NM |
| 00:30.04 | _Sam-- | im sorry to sound stupid, i mostly am, but NM can stand for alot of things, give me a hint, point me in the right direction |
| 00:30.13 | tcsetattr | the last command was start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile /var/run/pure-ftpd/pure-ftpd.pid --exec /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-wrapper -- virtualchroot so I guess that must have exited 252 for some reason. |
| 00:30.27 | stew | _Sam--: /msg dpkg nm |
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| 00:31.12 | _Sam-- | that is more for people developing and maintaining code ? |
| 00:31.20 | tcsetattr | /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-wrapper could probably use a sh -x too. (put the -x on the #!/bin/sh line) |
| 00:31.38 | dondelelcaro | harlekin_: yeah, so for whatever reason the pure-ftpd-wrapper is failing |
| 00:32.57 | harlekin_ | Thats the Perl Script parsing config files to command lines arguments, isn't it? Mh... as I didn't changed any configuration file yet, it may be an error during configuration, may it not? |
| 00:33.17 | stew | _Sam--: no, it doesn't involve code |
| 00:33.25 | dondelelcaro | harlekin_: possibly |
| 00:34.26 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: there are various certification programs with varying degrees of utility; LPI is a common one. |
| 00:34.26 | harlekin_ | Incomprehensive to me, why running /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd doesn't spawn a process though. |
| 00:34.46 | dondelelcaro | harlekin_: it doesn't, must likely because there's some problem with the configuration or similar |
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| 00:34.56 | Peacimowen | Well, looks like doing a full Upgrade solved my issues with aptitude not wanting to install things. |
| 00:35.18 | harlekin_ | dondelelcaro: But as far as I know pure-ftpd isn't reading any configuration file. It should run without any arguments. |
| 00:35.26 | dondelelcaro | harlekin_: you can (as a temporary hack) add an exit 0; to the top of /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd; then dpkg --configure -a; then reconfigure it and fix whatever is wrong. |
| 00:35.44 | harlekin_ | dondelelcaro: Thanks. I will try that. |
| 00:35.57 | dondelelcaro | harlekin_: there may also be a debug mode for the pure-ftpd-wrapper which will give you more output. |
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| 00:36.37 | Peacimowen | You should add some arguements to pure-ftpd to tell it what to do. |
| 00:37.03 | _Sam-- | cartesian1984 : you get yourself sorted out? |
| 00:37.39 | cartesian1984 | _Sam--: not really, still haven't figured out my iptables. I pastebin'd the config if you want to see it. |
| 00:38.01 | _Sam-- | sure, how about that and the agt.rules |
| 00:38.11 | _Sam-- | and iptables -L ? |
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| 00:38.57 | _Sam-- | i already have some ideas. |
| 00:39.16 | cartesian1984 | _Sam--: http://phpfi.com/253419 |
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| 00:41.03 | Bogus8 | peterS: hey man thanks... your {} {}.output with -execdir worked perfectly... got it running now |
| 00:41.05 | _Sam-- | ok tell me more about what you are trying to do, and from where. |
| 00:41.12 | _Sam-- | are you on a machine behind that linux box? |
| 00:41.16 | _Sam-- | are you on that linux box? |
| 00:41.27 | _Sam-- | what are you trying exactly to do , and what isnt working? |
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| 00:41.31 | Bogus8 | peterS: and it looks like prename will take care of the next issue as well... this is definitely going in my notes file ;) |
| 00:41.41 | Bogus8 | and I understand find a lot better now |
| 00:41.47 | peterS | Bogus8: *nod*. good to see you've got it doing what you need |
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| 00:42.40 | cartesian1984 | _Sam--: in that config, it's the box I'm sitting in front of now. I'm testing the rules for a colo server, slightly adapted. |
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| 00:43.04 | _Sam-- | ok so you are on that box, and what do you want to allow, or not allow, and what are you trying to do? |
| 00:43.04 | cartesian1984 | _Sam--: I need to allow SSH on the alternate port given and http on port 80, which you'll see there. |
| 00:43.43 | cartesian1984 | _Sam--: I want to allow all outgoing connections, incoming on 80, incoming on 51921. |
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| 00:43.47 | _Sam-- | ok, it seems like both of those -- the alternate ssh port and port 80 should be available to anyone anywhere. |
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| 00:44.11 | cartesian1984 | _Sam--: that was my intention, that's how I have it, right? |
| 00:44.22 | harlekin_ | I can reconfigure pure-ftpd by appending || exit 0. Well, thats how expected. But it doesn't give me any access to the debconf files I've edited in the first place as expected. What do I have to do to access them? |
| 00:44.43 | _Sam-- | yes, it looks that way to me. as long as you have a web server or something open on port 80, connections should be accepted. |
| 00:44.44 | harlekin_ | Futher pure-ftpd-wrapper seems not to have a debug option. At least I didn't find any. |
| 00:44.47 | _Sam-- | same with the other port. |
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| 00:45.12 | cartesian1984 | _Sam--: do I need to have forwarding on if I'm using vserver? |
| 00:45.40 | _Sam-- | give me more details or a better question. i dont understand specifically what you're asking |
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| 00:46.52 | _Sam-- | this may or may not help? |
| 00:46.53 | _Sam-- | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/537 |
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| 00:48.08 | _Sam-- | what are you trying to do with vservers? what kind? http? |
| 00:48.10 | linuxwho | has anybody used lightscribe on etch? |
| 00:48.13 | cartesian1984 | _Sam--: I have 'iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT' set. This box is for virtual dedicated hosting. I'm wondering if I need to allow forwarding. |
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| 00:48.21 | _Sam-- | sorry to sound stupid, but those are the only vservers i used |
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| 00:48.39 | linuxwho | anyone used lightscribe in debian? |
| 00:48.44 | cartesian1984 | _Sam--: not just http, varies a little. So they'd be binding to a number of ports I'd have to open I imagine. |
| 00:49.01 | _Sam-- | cartesian1984 : probably not, in my opinion. since they are http vhosts, they all use the same ip anyway. |
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| 00:49.19 | _Sam-- | apache knows what to serve based on the URL |
| 00:49.20 | cartesian1984 | _Sam--: okay, thanks. |
| 00:49.28 | _Sam-- | all connections are on port 80 still |
| 00:49.38 | _Sam-- | its a namevirtualhost? |
| 00:49.51 | harlekin | It seems not to be pure-ftpd-wrapper which fails but pure-ftpd itself because the exit code 252 is returned if I run /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd. \: |
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| 00:50.34 | _Sam-- | im sorry - ididnt read before "not just http" |
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| 00:51.53 | cartesian1984 | _Sam--: don't worry about it, I think I'll figure it out. |
| 00:52.06 | _Sam-- | i have this in my agt.rules: default forward accept |
| 00:52.45 | harlekin | Well. I go to bed. Thanks for all your help. (: |
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| 00:53.34 | cartesian1984 | _Sam--: thanks. |
| 00:54.40 | _Sam-- | gated and ospf is compicated |
| 00:54.45 | _Sam-- | same with zebra and bgp |
| 00:54.56 | _Sam-- | do you just want default routes or? |
| 00:55.14 | micky | so is ip route when each howto i found does it in a different way |
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| 00:55.45 | micky | i want 10.0.0.100 to use eth0 and 10.0.0.101 to use eth1 for all their outboutd / inbound traffic |
| 00:56.45 | micky | it seems i can make them both send outbound traffic through eth0 and 10.0.0.101 gets it`s inbound through eth1 ( as supposed ) but outbound is sent through eth0 and it should be eth1 |
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| 00:57.28 | _Sam-- | i thought you wanted to do bgp type routing, i see. |
| 00:57.48 | micky | can anything like this be done by addin separate eth`s for each isp i have ? like 2 eth`s for isps and 2 eth`s for local network that will be able to separate in/out traffic like that ? |
| 00:58.06 | micky | well cant doo bgp since nor isp`s support it |
| 00:58.13 | Guerin | micky: #networking |
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| 00:58.42 | _Sam-- | i would say you could do what you want with iptables and forwarding source packets to the right eth |
| 00:58.48 | _Sam-- | i dont have an example just yet |
| 00:58.59 | Guerin | accurate traffic accounting is Less Than FUn though |
| 00:59.21 | micky | so you`re sayin i'm better off with 2 separate linux boxes ? |
| 00:59.29 | Guerin | there's a massive gap in the toolspace between `rudimentary' and `requires an advanged CS degree to configure' |
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| 00:59.45 | _Sam-- | there is only a couple lines of iptables rules needed |
| 01:00.09 | Guerin | _Sam--: for the redirect; not so for the accounting. |
| 01:00.46 | micky | well i found http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html wich seems to work untill i realised all traffic was sent through 1 gateway |
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| 01:01.18 | _Sam-- | micky: i can tell you it is possible to do what you want. if it will be effective, guerin seems to know alot more than i do. |
| 01:01.36 | Guerin | nono, that's a popular misconception |
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| 01:01.49 | MangosDebian | micky: perhaps the default gateways are cauing the problem |
| 01:02.02 | Guerin | I tried a similar thing (one isp, two separate internal networks which need to be accounted individually) and couldn't figure it out |
| 01:02.05 | Bogus8 | if I put `find . <whatever>` in a script the path in find would be where ever I run the script right? |
| 01:02.12 | MangosDebian | micky: the fact that you have 2 with equal metric would round robin traffic wouldnt it? |
| 01:02.25 | Guerin | Bogus8: unless cwd is set elsewhere, yes |
| 01:02.41 | Bogus8 | Guerin: cool, thanks |
| 01:02.41 | micky | MangosDebian the gw`s are both routers in my network at the moment ( test environment ) wich have different ip classes and i even tried using the same subnet to get this working |
| 01:02.57 | \amethyst | Bogus8: the current directory when you run the script, not the directory of the script executable |
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| 01:03.13 | Bogus8 | \amethyst: correct that's what I was after |
| 01:03.55 | MangosDebian | micky: but when you ping some external ip, its going to use the default gateway not the specific route unless your specifically forwarding that packet to that route |
| 01:04.44 | _Sam-- | iptables -s is your friend |
| 01:05.02 | micky | MangosDebian so i need to mark packets and forward rules accordingly ? |
| 01:05.11 | micky | +add |
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| 01:06.02 | MangosDebian | micky: well, how you chop it up is your business. but my understanding is unless something targets specifically the 192.168.52.0 net or the other, it would use the default gw |
| 01:06.35 | _Sam-- | iptables -s <some ip> -o <some eth card> may work |
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| 01:06.50 | _Sam-- | im not promising anything -- i cant testit on any of my machines |
| 01:07.04 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 01:07.04 | dpkg | hmm... iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 01:07.08 | MangosDebian | micky: but if it is just pppoe your using and you have no intention of sharing your connections, why |
| 01:07.16 | micky | _Sam-- it should but it sends the request to the default gateway ip through that -o ethernet |
| 01:07.17 | tcsetattr | source-based route selection is supposed to be done with "ip rule" |
| 01:07.18 | MangosDebian | micky: nm, cancel that thought |
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| 01:07.48 | _Sam-- | no, you add the rule for the one source to go out eth0, and the rule for the otther source to go out eth1 |
| 01:07.59 | _Sam-- | (i dont have your network diagram in front of me> |
| 01:08.10 | MangosDebian | micky: anyways, was just gonna suggest using pppoe on each client and forwarding if you had no intent on sharing or round robin your routes |
| 01:08.39 | _Sam-- | i dunno. |
| 01:08.59 | micky | pppoe seems problematic since the client has no idea how to set it up after a box reinstall |
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| 01:09.53 | micky | _Sam-- i've tried makeing 2 routing tables and having ip route source 10.0.0.X use table1 / table2 but to no avail |
| 01:10.10 | Bogus8 | \amethyst: your statement brings up a point... even if the script is not in path... if I do /path/to/script/script.sh it will still use the path in find that I typed that command in right? |
| 01:10.24 | _Sam-- | you are confusing routing with iptables packet filtering, i think. |
| 01:10.39 | Supaplex | there's only one routing table. |
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| 01:11.02 | _Sam-- | anway, i dont think i have any more knowledge that would be of any use to you. |
| 01:11.07 | BinL | Hi, when I startup my system, there always is an error "mount failed for selinuxfs on /selinux: no such file or directory". Any solutions? |
| 01:11.08 | tcsetattr | unless you have CONFIG_IP_MULTIPLE_TABLES, in which case there are like 255 routing tables. |
| 01:11.12 | _Sam-- | i think you can do it with iptables is all i know. |
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| 01:11.21 | micky | all i want is -s 10.0.0.X to use gateway A and -s 10.0.0.Z to use gateway B |
| 01:11.30 | abrotman | micky: did you ask #iptables? |
| 01:11.33 | abrotman | or #networking ? |
| 01:11.34 | Supaplex | then it's iptables |
| 01:11.37 | abrotman | or read lartc.org ? |
| 01:11.39 | chaoticflaws | just installed an promise tx4 and a couple hard drives how do I go about checking to see if the hard drives are regonized? |
| 01:11.47 | micky | abrotman yes i have on 3 different irc networks |
| 01:11.53 | Supaplex | chaoticflaws: cat /proc/partitions or dmesg |
| 01:11.57 | abrotman | you asked lartc.org on IRC ? |
| 01:11.57 | Guerin | micky: you just need to set a route |
| 01:12.08 | Guerin | so man route, then - easy |
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| 01:12.28 | MangosDebian | micky: what are client1 and 2 using for their default gw? |
| 01:12.29 | micky | abrotman no lartc.org just netfilter / iptables and networking |
| 01:12.35 | asg | or at least look at ip(8) |
| 01:12.46 | micky | MangosDebian all clients use the ip of eth2 ( 10.0.0.1 ) as gw |
| 01:12.46 | abrotman | i'm not even sure you need iptables |
| 01:12.49 | _Sam-- | i checked route add myself a bit ago, i dont think you can just route based on the source IP. |
| 01:13.04 | abrotman | but iptables would be one way to do it |
| 01:13.05 | MangosDebian | micky: set client1 and 2 to use the gw of their route |
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| 01:13.46 | _Sam-- | at least, when i man route, i dont see that ability. |
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| 01:14.01 | tcsetattr | man ip, search for the "ip rule" section. |
| 01:14.06 | micky | MangosDebian lemme try thou i doubt they will reach the gw`s without more routing |
| 01:14.18 | MangosDebian | _Sam--: i seem to recall one way is to mark packets and route based on marks |
| 01:15.02 | tcsetattr | or google "source-based" "iproute" "ip rule" |
| 01:15.33 | MangosDebian | micky: well, test your setup and see if they can at least ping the gw's first |
| 01:16.42 | micky | if they have 10.0.0.1 as gw they can ping the other gw`s |
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| 01:17.05 | MangosDebian | micky: also, you may want to make 2 small /30 subnets for the 2 clients to help partition things. might prove useful |
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| 01:18.40 | _Sam-- | this may prove useful: |
| 01:18.46 | _Sam-- | http://mailman.ds9a.nl/pipermail/lartc/2001q3/001321.html |
| 01:20.09 | micky | i'm having the same issue that guy had ( about the second pc not being able to connect after the 1st one gets moved ) |
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| 01:20.31 | micky | hmm lets dig deeper |
| 01:21.12 | _Sam-- | doesnt seem to get you very far - sorry |
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| 01:21.26 | _Sam-- | but at least you can see how 1 person is doing it |
| 01:21.51 | micky | i tried dooing it the same way the first time and i gave up when i got the the point he had. |
| 01:22.47 | _Sam-- | good luck - i gotta eat some dinner |
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| 01:23.33 | MangosDebian | just seems like the default gw's and the postrouting snat seem to stand out to me |
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| 01:24.03 | abrotman | who let _Sam-- go eat?! |
| 01:24.16 | micky | MangosDebian with 2 default gw`s snat just uses the first one it finds |
| 01:24.35 | MangosDebian | micky: which is probably where your problem lies no? |
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| 01:24.47 | micky | yep |
| 01:24.58 | juanramb_ | hi all |
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| 01:25.17 | MangosDebian | really, the default gw's would only be meant for the linux box itself to communicate no? |
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| 01:25.43 | micky | MangosDebian as you may have seen on my topology2.jpg the outgoing packets are sent through the first gateway it finds but the incomming ones are correct ( smaks himself ) |
| 01:26.21 | MangosDebian | micky: well of course it would return on the right one. google doesnt even know the second isp ip exists |
| 01:26.22 | micky | MangosDebian with no gws it just times out |
| 01:27.00 | MangosDebian | micky: whats your route table and ifconfig's look like on client1 and 2? |
| 01:27.04 | micky | well the stupid thing is that the packets return on the second isp lol |
| 01:27.14 | MangosDebian | they cant |
| 01:27.28 | MangosDebian | if they go out ip1, they must return via the same eth |
| 01:27.39 | micky | they just do take a look at the image i gave you ( http://86.104.141.8/network/topology2.jpg ) |
| 01:27.43 | MangosDebian | unles your using some sort of routing between google and yourself |
| 01:27.51 | micky | they return on the other ethernet |
| 01:28.30 | abrotman | oh i know .. #networking! |
| 01:28.31 | abrotman | :) |
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| 01:29.02 | MangosDebian | micky: its still returning from the right ip, just has the wrong name it seems |
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| 01:29.09 | micky | so in that image client 10.0.0.101 is behaving as it should but 10.0.0.100 is sending packets through eth1 and receiving through eth0 ( huh ) |
| 01:29.13 | lightning | screensaver won't stop! |
| 01:29.14 | MangosDebian | abrotman: bah, we should know this heh |
| 01:29.17 | juanramb_ | a weird question: imagine you have started a netinstall installation, and after configuring almost everything you activate network-console to continue the installation by ssh. |
| 01:29.26 | netdaemon | haha, seems mepis is moving back to using debian as its base... |
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| 01:30.42 | juanramb_ | Also imagine that when installing ssh something fail and you'll like to continue the installation. Is there any way of restarting the installation process? I mean, kind of "installation reset" but having the network console still enabled |
| 01:31.03 | juanramb_ | sorry, I meant "when installing by ssh" |
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| 01:31.31 | alaya | lightning: switch to a console and kill its process |
| 01:32.29 | knoxy | how can I do to log jabberd2?? what sniffer?? |
| 01:32.33 | MangosDebian | .... |
| 01:32.33 | juanramb_ | what process? |
| 01:33.02 | MangosDebian | micky: considering that windows route command is near identical, i think the problem is your iptables rule |
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| 01:33.24 | MangosDebian | micky: turn off snat, flush your iptables and just forward the packets using the route |
| 01:33.25 | micky | MangosDebian there are no ip tables rules besides snat :) |
| 01:33.53 | MangosDebian | micky: why are you snat anyways? each client only gets 1 dsl line. just forward the packets |
| 01:34.08 | micky | MangosDebian forward? any help on that please |
| 01:34.20 | micky | :) |
| 01:34.20 | tcsetattr | what "ip rule" commands have you tried? |
| 01:34.22 | knoxy | how can I do to log jabberd2 (local network)? what sniffer? what debian package? |
| 01:34.43 | micky | tcsetattr take your pick http://86.104.141.8/isp.scr/route.php |
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| 01:35.03 | netdaemon | knoxy, wireshark would do decently |
| 01:35.11 | lightning | alaya: how!?! |
| 01:35.33 | lightning | killall xscreensaver, but it comes back at bootup |
| 01:36.12 | knoxy | netdaemon to log messages? |
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| 01:36.50 | MangosDebian | micky: question, why are you getting 192.168 ip's for isp1 and 2? |
| 01:36.51 | tcsetattr | micky, try using the 10.0.0.100 and 10.0.0.101 addresses in the "from" clause |
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| 01:37.12 | netdaemon | knoxy, you can, but i don't know if its in the manner you would want |
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| 01:37.44 | MangosDebian | micky: router A and B are typical internet routers that already to masq/nat yes? |
| 01:38.03 | stoned | hola |
| 01:38.05 | stoned | holio |
| 01:38.09 | MangosDebian | oi |
| 01:38.12 | stoned | sup man |
| 01:38.14 | wlu | I have three monitors of the same kind and two dual head ati saphire cards on an AMD64 machine. The third monitor just does not work. I posted my xorg.conf file on http://pastebin.com/m79803111 Any help is greatly appreciated |
| 01:38.20 | MangosDebian | nm u? |
| 01:38.24 | stoned | being sick |
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| 01:38.31 | MangosDebian | :( |
| 01:38.32 | stoned | I installex XP |
| 01:38.33 | micky | MangosDebian i get nated ip`s cos there are 2 adsl routers in front of the linux box |
| 01:38.36 | stoned | using xp now |
| 01:38.47 | micky | tcsetattr from ? you mean -s ip ? |
| 01:39.08 | stoned | Linux laptop 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:39.14 | MangosDebian | micky: ok, then my suggestion stands, don't snat on the box0, just forward the packets |
| 01:39.35 | tcsetattr | you have "ip rule add from 192.168.52.133 table T1" I suggest you try changing that to "ip rule add from 10.0.0.100 table T1" |
| 01:39.39 | MangosDebian | stoned: xp using 2.6.18-4-686 now? :) |
| 01:39.46 | stoned | yup |
| 01:39.47 | stoned | :) |
| 01:39.52 | micky | MangosDebian so i just iptables -I FORWARD -s ip -o eth ? |
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| 01:40.00 | stoned | xp on my desktop for games |
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| 01:40.12 | stoned | I wanna take a screenshot |
| 01:40.15 | tcsetattr | quit trying to do source-based route selection with iptables and stop listening to the idiots who are suggesting it! |
| 01:40.26 | MangosDebian | micky: no, just enable forwarding on the box0 since its really just a router in this case and tell client1 and 2 to use the 192.168 ip |
| 01:40.27 | micky | stoned "print screen" btn :) |
| 01:40.29 | lightning | does anyone know how to apply a calendar/clock to icewm's desktop? |
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| 01:40.33 | MangosDebian | 's as their default gw |
| 01:40.35 | stoned | scrot |
| 01:40.41 | stoned | !info scrot |
| 01:40.46 | dpkg | scrot: (command line screen capture utility), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8-7 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 01:40.57 | stoned | me likey |
| 01:41.17 | MangosDebian | micky: really your trying to double nat, once at the linux box0 router and once at the isp router when it goes out |
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| 01:41.54 | MangosDebian | micky: just set client1 to use dns and default gw of 192.168.52.133 and client2 192.168.150.2. box0 will forward packets accordingly |
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| 01:42.37 | MangosDebian | micky: sysctl -a | grep forward <-- see if forwarding is enabled for all the eth's |
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| 01:43.05 | MangosDebian | (which it should if you got a semi working snat test) |
| 01:43.16 | micky | MangosDebian now something interesting is happening client 2 ( 10.0.0.101 ) can ping the eth0 and eth1 ip`s but client 1 cant |
| 01:43.30 | micky | yes ip forward is working fine |
| 01:43.45 | MangosDebian | micky: no idea, would have to see client1's ifconfig and route table |
| 01:43.50 | alaya | lightning: i would image you'd edit the config file and set the clock icon to launch you calendar of choice |
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| 01:44.07 | micky | MangosDebian just a sec |
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| 01:44.41 | MangosDebian | micky: but clearly you want forwarding and not nat of any sort since the isp routers do that for you and incoming packets with a 10.0.0.X ip will get forwardied accordingly by the box0 |
| 01:45.23 | MangosDebian | micky: things would be diff if eth0 and 1 got a pppoe internet IP though, but thats not the case here |
| 01:45.25 | stoned | MangosDebian: http://youfuck.mypets.ws/screenshos/xp.jpg |
| 01:45.58 | MangosDebian | stoned: i think ill pass on that on principle :) |
| 01:46.08 | stoned | eh? |
| 01:46.17 | MangosDebian | your a sick man stoned |
| 01:46.20 | stoned | lol |
| 01:46.21 | stoned | why? |
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| 01:46.24 | stoned | what did i do? |
| 01:46.33 | micky | MangosDebian i can get both eth0 and eth1 to get public ip addresses if required |
| 01:46.33 | MangosDebian | pet fucker! |
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| 01:46.43 | stoned | bah |
| 01:46.48 | stoned | just a free dyndns thing |
| 01:46.52 | jsubl2 | stoned, what is the app on the top in middle.. the dock |
| 01:47.05 | MangosDebian | micky: i think your better off just sticking with the dsl routers doing the nat if its already setup. its easier |
| 01:47.07 | stoned | y'z toolbar |
| 01:47.21 | tcsetattr | if you don't have a good reason for the NAT you could replace the whole thing with a bridge |
| 01:47.36 | stoned | there are a few oblivion expansions and a few new mods |
| 01:47.42 | stoned | so I needed xp to play it |
| 01:47.48 | MangosDebian | stoned: I always knew you liked pussy, just never knew you were into fsckin cat's :) |
| 01:47.50 | stoned | here i am, using xp with above mentioned kernel |
| 01:48.00 | stoned | lol man |
| 01:48.03 | stoned | thats sick |
| 01:48.05 | stoned | how about |
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| 01:48.15 | stoned | http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/screenshots/kde.jpg |
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| 01:48.27 | micky | MangosDebian http://86.104.141.8/network/server_clients.jpg |
| 01:48.35 | MangosDebian | stoned: dreaming about what? fsckin small farm animals? rofl |
| 01:48.37 | rahul | stoned did what to his cat? |
| 01:48.46 | micky | MangosDebian the left part contains the network info of the server and the right are the clients |
| 01:48.47 | rahul | cats aren't farm animals |
| 01:49.02 | MangosDebian | rahul: stoned came out of the closet and confessed his love for bestiality and small farm animals |
| 01:49.08 | rahul | cool |
| 01:49.13 | stoned | what |
| 01:49.15 | rahul | I'll take pics and sell them on the interwebs |
| 01:49.21 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 01:49.27 | stoned | i hate you |
| 01:49.28 | stoned | :( |
| 01:49.30 | rahul | heh |
| 01:49.36 | stoned | screw you guys, I'm goin home |
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| 01:49.42 | stoned | screw you guys. home. |
| 01:49.44 | rahul | I'm going to the bar |
| 01:50.18 | micky | MangosDebian so any ideas ? |
| 01:50.20 | MangosDebian | its your dns lol. if you wouldnt put it on a resume, why would you post something sick like that on irc? :) |
| 01:50.22 | rahul | stoned: remember |
| 01:50.28 | rahul | some of those that work forces |
| 01:50.33 | rahul | are the same that BURN CROSSES!!!!!!!! |
| 01:50.40 | stoned | rahul: find amanda |
| 01:50.41 | bier_ | i want to go to the bar too, but it's 4 o'clock in the morning here... so no way ;) |
| 01:50.52 | rahul | heh |
| 01:50.52 | Ronin | thanks a lot rahul now i now what im falling to sleep with in my head :) |
| 01:50.58 | jsubl2 | me too. lets meet at smittys |
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| 01:51.07 | stoned | rahul: ask raul, she hanngs out with them actor people |
| 01:51.10 | rahul | dude, I fell asleep to their whole set in my head |
| 01:51.12 | rahul | stoned: yeah |
| 01:51.16 | rahul | if I meet him tonight |
| 01:51.21 | Ronin | stoned: rahul isnt the only one then |
| 01:51.31 | stoned | give him my number too so he can find me the musicians |
| 01:51.35 | MangosDebian | micky: sec, gotta check the jpg |
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| 01:51.39 | rahul | stoned: yeah |
| 01:51.40 | stoned | if you see him |
| 01:52.33 | MangosDebian | micky: heh, how did I know vmware was involved somehow :) |
| 01:52.47 | micky | MangosDebian well it`s a testing environment |
| 01:52.57 | EmergeTW | I'm trying to get this realtek network card to show up, lspci is listing "02:04.0 Non-VGA unclassified device: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+" the on board network card is working and showing up and it's output in lspci appears to be "02:02.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)" any suggestions on how to proceed? |
| 01:53.03 | micky | MangosDebian untill i get it working and move to the actual setup |
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| 01:53.44 | MangosDebian | micky: well, you still have the 10.x.x.x as the default gw. im suggesting just set them to the actual isp router ip's |
| 01:54.30 | MangosDebian | micky: make 10.0.0.0 still go out eth2, but make def gw 0.0.0.0 -> 192.168.x.x eth2 |
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| 01:55.02 | bier_ | EmergeTW: what does ifconfig -a say? |
| 01:55.04 | micky | MangosDebian how do i doo that ? |
| 01:55.04 | MangosDebian | micky: where 192.168.x.x is the ip of the router you want it to go out |
| 01:55.17 | bintut | hello all.. what's the best tool to convert .3gp files to .avi ? |
| 01:55.39 | EmergeTW | bier_, it lists the eth0, eth1, lo, and sit0 devices |
| 01:55.48 | MangosDebian | micky: route command or ip command. route a tad easier. something like route del default gw eth2;route add default gw 192.168.?.? eth2 (im fuzzy on exact syntax) |
| 01:56.05 | MangosDebian | micky: once you get that working, you can specific a gateway ip in your interfaces file iirc |
| 01:56.10 | bier_ | EmergeTW: did you configure both interfaces? |
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| 01:56.16 | micky | MangosDebian on the client right ? |
| 01:57.08 | MangosDebian | micky: ya, both clients, but swap the 192.168 with the ip you want it to go out. and on box0 either pick 1 ip as the default or set both but then box0 will round robin the gw's for its own tarffic iirc |
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| 01:57.38 | bier_ | EmergeTW: check your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:57.41 | EmergeTW | bier_, I might mention that eth0 is the firewire networking device, eth1 is the onboard realtek, both of which are configured and working, the pci realtek should be eth2 |
| 01:57.55 | bier_ | ah okay |
| 01:58.13 | micky | MangosDebian i get a SIOCADDRT: no such device when trying to add a gateway wich is not from the same subnet as the eth`s ip |
| 01:58.18 | bier_ | did you modprobe the rtl8039` |
| 01:58.38 | micky | MangosDebian actually network is unreachable and not the device one |
| 01:58.50 | micky | so i need to add a route to the gateway |
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| 01:59.22 | tcsetattr | you need to stop listening to MangosDebian, he has no end of dumb ideas. fix your ip rule declarations. |
| 01:59.23 | MangosDebian | micky: hmm, might be a syntax thing. but you should be able to set an arbitrary ip as the gw |
| 01:59.23 | micky | MangosDebian in order to reach the gateway on the client i need to add a static route so it finds it ( maby ) |
| 01:59.34 | MangosDebian | tcsetattr: ! |
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| 01:59.38 | EmergeTW | bier_, I tried a modprobe 8139too as that is the module I used to use with this card a while back, however that module is already loaded and is in use by the onboard realtek card |
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| 01:59.53 | micky | MangosDebian no not really you cant have an ip as a gateway if it`s not in the same subnet as your ip |
| 02:00.26 | abrotman | why can't route do this again ? |
| 02:00.54 | micky | i have no idea.. |
| 02:01.11 | bier_ | EmergeTW: sorry, i have no clue then... did you google to see if you can give any parameters to the module? |
| 02:01.15 | micky | and i;ve tried at least 3 different ways of dooing it for the past 3 weeks |
| 02:01.22 | abrotman | this is why we said to ask #networking .. instead of a bunch of system admin monkeys :) |
| 02:01.39 | tcsetattr | route can't do it because "route" is a legacy tool that doesn't get support for new features like policy routing. iproute is where the new stuff is. Lie "ip rule" which I've been trying to get micky to use for like an hour |
| 02:01.48 | tcsetattr | but he keeps taking dumb suggestions from other people and ignoring mine. |
| 02:01.57 | abrotman | tcsetattr: you're canadian! |
| 02:01.57 | stew | you can have an ip as a gateway if it isnt on the same subnet |
| 02:02.04 | stew | in fact this machine has 4 of them right now |
| 02:02.18 | tcsetattr | that's an interesting conjecture :) |
| 02:02.22 | cafuego | in fact, you can source route as many as you like |
| 02:02.38 | MangosDebian | stew: thats what i thought :/ thanks for that |
| 02:02.48 | EmergeTW | bier_, google has been, as of yet, not much help with this issue |
| 02:02.50 | bier_ | EmergeTW: i mean... maybe you have to tell the module which card to use, if you have more than only one card using that module... |
| 02:03.01 | stew | you have to have a route to the gateway but it doesnt have to be on your subnet |
| 02:03.05 | abrotman | i'm not sure why you need policy routing |
| 02:03.16 | abrotman | you're routing separate networks to different IPs ... |
| 02:03.20 | abrotman | AIUI anyways |
| 02:03.27 | micky | tcsetattr could you give me some help with ip route ? |
| 02:03.27 | tcsetattr | because policy routing is the proper tool to select outbound interfaces based on IP source address. |
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| 02:03.41 | MangosDebian | abrotman: aiui? |
| 02:03.47 | abrotman | !aiui |
| 02:03.47 | dpkg | well, aiui is As I Understand It |
| 02:03.57 | tcsetattr | combining it with SNAT just makes it a little more challenging to figure out the right way to set it up. |
| 02:03.57 | micky | abrotman lol my brother in loaw is canadian :) so shh |
| 02:04.11 | micky | i dont need snat |
| 02:04.12 | abrotman | micky: do you even like him?! does he smell .. bad? :) |
| 02:04.19 | Heston | http://anders0n.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/adminspotting-800x800b.png |
| 02:04.22 | tcsetattr | does the ip rule see the pre-NAT address or the post-NAT address? well we can try it both ways and find out |
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| 02:05.00 | tcsetattr | like a year ago I said: > you have "ip rule add from 192.168.52.133 table T1" I suggest you try changing that to "ip rule add from 10.0.0.100 table T1" ... did anything come of that/ |
| 02:05.04 | bier_ | EmergeTW: sorry, i'm clueless... maybe the others around here know something, since i am not very familar with that kind of problem... ;) |
| 02:05.35 | micky | tcsetattr i must have been BLIND lemme try |
| 02:05.52 | EmergeTW | bier_, thanks for the suggestions, I'm looking up some stuff right now google trying to get hits on massaging the modules |
| 02:06.00 | tcsetattr | EmergeTW meanwhile has a very simple question which nobody seems to have any idea on... how to get a single module to drive 2 separate network cards of the same type |
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| 02:06.40 | TypoNAM | Is there a way to purge/delete a queue or something in aptitude? because I made the mistake of selecting a few things for upgrading various packages that were being held back and then decided later to keep the current files, now it claims a bunch of things have become broken, even though I didn't go through with the upgrade actions, anyway to fix that? |
| 02:06.57 | MangosDebian | micky: my bad, apparently you need to add the static route for the IP in question before you add the default gw. works here |
| 02:06.57 | stew | TypoNAM: in the actions menu there is "clear pending actions" |
| 02:07.38 | bier_ | at least i can remember a setup where i had two 8039too cards... and IIRC, i had to tell the module that there are two cards... |
| 02:07.40 | micky | EmergeTW / tcsetattr on that single module thing it seems none of my boxes are able to recognize 2 or more ethernet cards that need the same module.. solution use different nic`s.. |
| 02:07.56 | TypoNAM | stew: not in mine... I have version 0.2.15.9 :/ |
| 02:08.09 | micky | MangosDebian that might be a solution for linux but on a windows client it will be problematic |
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| 02:08.42 | Bogus8 | how could I run a du on just on all files with a certain extension? |
| 02:09.01 | MangosDebian | micky: actually windows probably would setup all the routes for you if you just plugged in the isp1 router as the gw and be easier |
| 02:09.07 | bier_ | du *.extension? ;) |
| 02:09.14 | Bogus8 | bier_: tried that |
| 02:09.18 | norc | Bogus8: du *.foo |
| 02:09.21 | bier_ | you want a sum? |
| 02:09.23 | EmergeTW | micky / tcsetattr, I may have just found a solution for it actually |
| 02:09.26 | Bogus8 | oh well I tried the path also |
| 02:09.29 | TypoNAM | so if I don't have that option in my actions menu, then I'm basically screwed? gah :/ |
| 02:09.30 | bier_ | du -s *.extension |
| 02:09.41 | MangosDebian | micky: as for route eg: route add -net 192.168.x.x netmask 255.255.255.0 ethX; route add default gw 192.168.x.x ethX |
| 02:10.07 | MangosDebian | micky: that assumes you removed the existing default gw though |
| 02:10.19 | Bogus8 | No such file or directory |
| 02:10.53 | bier_ | Bogus8: some more information could be useful... |
| 02:11.18 | cartesian1984 | Those of you who read it, what did you guys think of The Debian System? |
| 02:11.30 | norc | Bogus8: you can do this: du `find -name \*.extension|xargs` |
| 02:11.33 | bier_ | Bogus8: so you have some files "whatever.a" and some more files "whatever.b" - and you want to du the .a files? |
| 02:11.42 | norc | well |
| 02:11.50 | norc | or maybe just ls *.extension |
| 02:11.50 | Bogus8 | bier_: I have some dirs that have lots of .foo files... I want to know a summery of how much space they are taking up |
| 02:11.52 | _Sam-- | cartesian1984 : you ever get yourself sorted out? |
| 02:12.12 | norc | Bogus8: then I just gave you the solution. |
| 02:12.17 | cartesian1984 | _Sam--: I'm going to attempt another configurator, firehol, in a little bit. |
| 02:12.22 | Bogus8 | norc: cool... trying it out |
| 02:12.26 | micky | MangosDebian tried it but client can ping the ethX ip but not the gw |
| 02:12.36 | cartesian1984 | _Sam--: or, rather, when the datacenter people reboot it into recovery mode, I botched it a different way :) |
| 02:12.46 | cartesian1984 | _Sam--: Thanks for all your help though. |
| 02:12.56 | _Sam-- | sounds promising -- you need to get a remote serial console for it. |
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| 02:13.17 | norc | Bogus8: of course you need to add -c to do if you want ot summarized |
| 02:13.23 | MangosDebian | micky: and theres no firewall rules preventing the pings or nat rules or anything? ie: a bare default iptables? |
| 02:13.26 | _Sam-- | (sorry, im all about remote serial consoles) |
| 02:13.47 | Bogus8 | norc: how would you do a summary of ALL of them together not individually? |
| 02:14.04 | norc | 04:11 < norc> Bogus8: of course you need to add -c to do if you want ot summarized |
| 02:14.05 | bier_ | -s |
| 02:14.07 | bier_ | :) |
| 02:14.14 | micky | MangosDebian bare iptables.. no rules at all except echo 1>/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 02:14.19 | Bogus8 | norc: oh, sorry... missed that |
| 02:14.32 | norc | Bogus8: add -h to make it readable |
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| 02:14.54 | TypoNAM | stew: any other ideas? |
| 02:14.55 | Bogus8 | norc: -c where to the du? because that didn't do it |
| 02:14.58 | micky | just a sec need to check tcsetattr idea |
| 02:15.04 | norc | du -lch `find -name \*.jpg|xargs` |
| 02:15.07 | norc | use that for instance. |
| 02:15.22 | Bogus8 | bier_: -s is not working.. I use du quite often like that so I know about it |
| 02:15.23 | MangosDebian | micky: and the box0 still has the route rules to know where to send those 192.168.x packets? |
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| 02:15.35 | Bogus8 | norc: ok I left out the xargs part as you thought it was unnecessary |
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| 02:15.51 | norc | Bogus8: I didnt say the xargs part was unnecessary. |
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| 02:16.20 | Bogus8 | norc: 21:11 < norc> or maybe just ls *.extension |
| 02:16.31 | Bogus8 | I got it now though... thanks |
| 02:16.33 | norc | Bogus8: that would do it non-recursively |
| 02:16.47 | adymo | hey, is it possible to have libsvn-dev and librdf0-dev installed at the same time on 4.0? aptitude tells me that they want libdb4.3-dev and libdb4.4-dev at the same time? |
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| 02:17.59 | cheeseboy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:18.09 | bier_ | Bogus8: find . -type f -name "*.php" |xargs du -sch works for me |
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| 02:18.35 | EmergeTW | how to do you determine the io base address of a network card/pci card? and its irq? |
| 02:18.35 | Bogus8 | bier_: the way norc said to do it worked... I was just missing something.. I got it though... my fault |
| 02:18.37 | bier_ | Bogus8: look at the last line of the output, it gives you a "total" |
| 02:18.45 | Bogus8 | though I see how your way would work also... thanks |
| 02:18.59 | bintut | what's the best tool to convert .3gp files to .avi ? |
| 02:19.07 | bier_ | Bogus8: heh, okay... at least it works :D |
| 02:19.31 | Bogus8 | bier_: yep... appreciate the effort and you guys dealing with my oversight |
| 02:19.33 | norc | bier_: your solution is no different than mine, except that you added -type f |
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| 02:19.44 | Aaron | hey |
| 02:19.48 | Aaron | how do i put gnome-session on startx? |
| 02:19.53 | Aaron | so when i do startx the gnome starts up |
| 02:19.55 | bier_ | norc: heh, didn't really read her... was trying it for myself ;) |
| 02:20.04 | lithophyte | I'm trying to install mplayer but I get Package has a Depends on libconfhelper-perl which cannot be satisfied on amd64. |
| 02:20.19 | abrotman | Aaron: /usr/bin/gnome-session |
| 02:20.21 | bier_ | here* |
| 02:20.30 | tcsetattr | adymo, sounds like you need to find a newer librdf0-dev that works with db4.4 (or compile it yourself) |
| 02:20.36 | norc | bier_: hehe, I just wrote it a little bit different. yours is cleaner probably. |
| 02:21.01 | bier_ | heh |
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| 02:22.43 | adymo | tcsetattr: ok, ic |
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| 02:23.01 | bier_ | anyone using unstable with fglrx 8.39.4 with xvideo extension working? |
| 02:23.22 | _Sam-- | cheeseboy: http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ |
| 02:23.48 | abrotman | lithophyte: on unstable ? |
| 02:23.58 | cheeseboy | _Sam--, i cant find the module |
| 02:24.04 | cheeseboy | i looked there |
| 02:24.08 | lithophyte | abrotman: yes.. how can I fix it? |
| 02:24.18 | abrotman | lithophyte: wait? |
| 02:24.25 | TypoNAM | ok so nobody hows how to wipe aptitude's pending actions at all, lovely... |
| 02:24.35 | abrotman | lithophyte: you're going to have to wait for the package to be built and uploaded |
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| 02:24.51 | _Sam-- | http://openfacts.berlios.de/index-en.phtml?title=Broadcom_43xx_Linux_Driver/Debian_Unstable_with_Devicescape_802.11_stack |
| 02:25.18 | abrotman | lithophyte: if it makes you feel better .. there's no libconfhelper-perl in unstable at all |
| 02:25.31 | _Sam-- | i cant even find the device in my kernel config |
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| 02:26.01 | _Sam-- | hmm i guess my kernel is too old to include it |
| 02:26.31 | _Sam-- | what kernel are you trying to make / get a module for? |
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| 02:27.07 | bier_ | _Sam--: i can remember that, the module is named bcm34xx... hat a hp laptop a few weeks ago with a wireless card using that driver... |
| 02:27.19 | bier_ | had* |
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| 02:28.10 | cheeseboy | _Sam--, the stuff for it is in my kernel |
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| 02:28.17 | _Sam-- | i mean if its in your kernel source, you should be able to cd to the source directory, edit .config |
| 02:28.19 | bier_ | the driver is included in kernel > 2.6.18 IIRC |
| 02:28.23 | cheeseboy | but dont think it compiled or somtin |
| 02:28.28 | _Sam-- | find the module name |
| 02:28.38 | _Sam-- | uncomment the line, change to = m at the end |
| 02:28.48 | cheeseboy | its in my source |
| 02:28.48 | _Sam-- | make modules, make modules install? |
| 02:29.09 | _Sam-- | go to your kernel source directory if you have your kernel source |
| 02:29.19 | _Sam-- | then edit .config with whatever you like to use to edit with |
| 02:29.41 | _Sam-- | find the module bier is saying, he said he knows it is called bcm34xx |
| 02:29.58 | lolercaust | I JUST WON AN IPOD |
| 02:29.59 | lolercaust | :DDDDD |
| 02:29.59 | _Sam-- | the line will probably be commented out, with a # in the front of the line? |
| 02:30.01 | lolercaust | xDDDDDDD |
| 02:30.04 | lolercaust | :dddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD |
| 02:30.50 | cheeseboy | _Sam--, its not in there |
| 02:30.57 | bier_ | _Sam--: in make menuconfig, type / and then "bcm" |
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| 02:31.13 | _Sam-- | good advice |
| 02:31.28 | bier_ | it'll lixt you Symbol: BCM43XX_DMA_AND_PIO_MODE |
| 02:31.30 | bier_ | list |
| 02:31.39 | bier_ | and so on |
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| 02:32.02 | bier_ | then you know where it's located |
| 02:32.47 | bier_ | in 2.6.22.1 it's located at drivers/net/wireless/bcm43xx/ |
| 02:33.04 | _Sam-- | couldnt he just edit the .config and search for bcm? |
| 02:33.13 | _Sam-- | i see what you're saying |
| 02:33.25 | cheeseboy | bier_, yes its there |
| 02:33.29 | bier_ | _Sam--: tried that, bit didn't find it in the .config... |
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| 02:34.01 | bier_ | _Sam--: it doesn't seem to be named something like bcm* there |
| 02:34.04 | cheeseboy | crap i dont have the thing u need for make menconfig |
| 02:34.14 | _Sam-- | i see, im learning. |
| 02:34.24 | _Sam-- | i always make my modules the old way im describing |
| 02:34.47 | bier_ | _Sam--: |
| 02:34.49 | bier_ | voyager:/usr/src/linux# cat .config |grep [bB][cC][mM] |
| 02:34.49 | bier_ | CONFIG_BT_HCIBCM203X=m |
| 02:34.49 | bier_ | CONFIG_DVB_BCM3510=m |
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| 02:34.59 | bier_ | ow |
| 02:35.01 | bier_ | ;) |
| 02:35.04 | _Sam-- | touchy :) |
| 02:36.12 | cheeseboy | what i need for menuconfig? |
| 02:36.13 | _Sam-- | alot of users of that driver/module are not reporting good success. |
| 02:36.22 | cheeseboy | libcurses or somtin? |
| 02:36.24 | _Sam-- | and alot of them are going to using ndiswrapper |
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| 02:36.36 | bier_ | yes, i wasn't successfull with it, too |
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| 02:36.52 | bier_ | it's juyt way too unstable |
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| 02:37.08 | _Sam-- | i guess thats cause broadcom wont release the specs |
| 02:37.17 | bier_ | yeah |
| 02:37.31 | _Sam-- | cheeseboy: go get another card. in the end it will be less headache and probably cheaper, if your time has any value. |
| 02:37.34 | bier_ | on that notebook i ended up using ndiswrapper |
| 02:37.38 | _Sam-- | (sorry, im sure you can make it work though) |
| 02:37.49 | chaoticflaws | Anyone got a nice tutorial for setting up a raid? |
| 02:37.57 | bier_ | even if the open source driver worked, it was just too buggy |
| 02:38.04 | _Sam-- | chaoticflaws : on a running system or new install? |
| 02:38.17 | chaoticflaws | _Sam--: running system, |
| 02:38.22 | _Sam-- | this will be a good start |
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| 02:38.31 | cheeseboy | _Sam--, worked good before i just updated kernel |
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| 02:38.32 | _Sam-- | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Migrate_To_RAID i just did a few this week. |
| 02:39.00 | _Sam-- | if you need any help with the raid, let me know. its pretty simple actually |
| 02:39.06 | chaoticflaws | yah |
| 02:39.07 | _Sam-- | you already have 2 drives? |
| 02:39.11 | chaoticflaws | yah |
| 02:39.12 | dude1234 | anyone remember the freeware rpg game (23 mb) that was popular around 10 years ago? it started off with you killing chickens.. |
| 02:39.15 | _Sam-- | and one of them is running the OS? |
| 02:39.17 | chaoticflaws | two 750 gig's |
| 02:39.18 | chaoticflaws | :-D |
| 02:39.20 | _Sam-- | the other is ready for raid? |
| 02:39.22 | chaoticflaws | nope |
| 02:39.28 | chaoticflaws | i have a third drive running the os |
| 02:39.45 | _Sam-- | and these two 750s will make a mirror of eachother or a raid5 area? |
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| 02:40.08 | chaoticflaws | just a raid 1 |
| 02:40.14 | chaoticflaws | striping |
| 02:40.15 | _Sam-- | you can do it very easy. |
| 02:40.18 | Heston | dude1234, you mean that awful java game? |
| 02:40.25 | _Sam-- | first step is to fdisk and make the parititions linux auto raid |
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| 02:40.33 | dude1234 | Heston: no it was for windows |
| 02:40.34 | _Sam-- | then make your filesystem on both drives |
| 02:40.36 | dude1234 | fun game |
| 02:40.40 | dude1234 | something like runescape |
| 02:40.46 | dude1234 | had nice monsters |
| 02:40.47 | _Sam-- | then create the raid arry |
| 02:40.48 | MangosDebian | dude1234: hillbilly type? |
| 02:40.54 | dude1234 | no |
| 02:41.13 | dude1234 | you had and inventory picked up weapons, killed cool monsters.. |
| 02:41.16 | MangosDebian | was thinking like redneck rampage or something |
| 02:41.17 | _Sam-- | and thats about it |
| 02:41.18 | dude1234 | chopped trees for gold |
| 02:41.20 | dude1234 | :-) |
| 02:41.22 | chaoticflaws | nice |
| 02:41.27 | _Sam-- | should take you about 10 minutes or so if they are all blank and ready to go |
| 02:41.29 | chaoticflaws | lets put those words into action |
| 02:41.34 | dude1234 | it was on download.com |
| 02:41.34 | chaoticflaws | they are blank |
| 02:41.37 | dude1234 | cant find it anymore |
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| 02:41.50 | _Sam-- | sure, first step: fdisk /dev/whateveryourdriveis |
| 02:41.59 | dacs | hey all |
| 02:42.05 | bier_ | heh, do you mean turkey puncher from doom 3? :P |
| 02:42.06 | _Sam-- | ifthe first one is /dev/sdc, then fdisk /dev/hdc |
| 02:42.12 | _Sam-- | or /dev/sdc |
| 02:42.29 | _Sam-- | do you know which drives are which in your system? |
| 02:42.50 | lithophyte | what's a good terminal that supports unicode output and what's a good terminal font? suggestions? |
| 02:42.53 | _Sam-- | because fdisk you need to be careful we are playing with the right disks |
| 02:43.00 | lolercaust | i would never eat pussy |
| 02:43.01 | lolercaust | would you? |
| 02:43.06 | chaoticflaws | yah |
| 02:43.12 | chaoticflaws | fdisk /dev/sda |
| 02:43.13 | lithophyte | lolercaust: maybe I dunno |
| 02:43.15 | chaoticflaws | and sdb |
| 02:43.21 | _Sam-- | you sure sda isnt the OS? |
| 02:43.25 | chaoticflaws | yup |
| 02:43.26 | _Sam-- | just making positively sure. |
| 02:43.26 | chaoticflaws | the os |
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| 02:43.30 | chaoticflaws | is an ide drive |
| 02:43.34 | chaoticflaws | on hda |
| 02:43.36 | _Sam-- | ok just making sure |
| 02:43.37 | chaoticflaws | hda1 |
| 02:43.39 | chaoticflaws | yup |
| 02:43.40 | _Sam-- | so fdisk /dev/sda |
| 02:43.43 | chaoticflaws | yup |
| 02:43.46 | chaoticflaws | got that |
| 02:43.47 | _Sam-- | then press p |
| 02:43.52 | _Sam-- | it should be blank |
| 02:43.54 | _Sam-- | no partitions? |
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| 02:44.07 | chaoticflaws | yup |
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| 02:44.18 | _Sam-- | ok, do you want the whole drive to be a mirrored? |
| 02:44.19 | dacs | my wireless card was working fine, i was working with aircrack. now its not working i can't access internet at all . for some reasone the box is not get an IP from my wireless router. my box is stuck at 192.168.1.104. i tried ifdown eth0 and ifup also /etc/init.d/networking restart but didn't fix the problem any idea whats wrong? |
| 02:44.22 | _Sam-- | like one huge partition? |
| 02:44.23 | chaoticflaws | yup |
| 02:44.26 | _Sam-- | ok |
| 02:44.37 | _Sam-- | type n |
| 02:44.42 | bier_ | anyone got experience using unison? want to disable unison to delete files... |
| 02:44.52 | chaoticflaws | yup |
| 02:44.53 | chaoticflaws | p then 1 |
| 02:44.55 | chaoticflaws | ? |
| 02:44.57 | cheeseboy | what i need for menuconfig? |
| 02:45.00 | dude1234 | it was sort of like diablo only free, anyone has any clues? please! |
| 02:45.06 | _Sam-- | i cant go much further through fdisk from this point with you becausei dont have a drive i can fdisk on |
| 02:45.12 | _Sam-- | but basically create the partition. |
| 02:45.15 | _Sam-- | then, hit t |
| 02:45.15 | bier_ | cheeseboy: what do you mean with "need"? |
| 02:45.19 | _Sam-- | and tell it partition type "fd" |
| 02:45.32 | cheeseboy | bier_, what lib |
| 02:45.34 | _Sam-- | after the t, hit w |
| 02:45.39 | _Sam-- | to write the partition table |
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| 02:45.55 | bier_ | cheeseboy: try apt-get build-dep linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 02:46.01 | chaoticflaws | yup |
| 02:46.10 | _Sam-- | then hit q in fdisk |
| 02:46.16 | _Sam-- | and do the same thing on sdb |
| 02:46.32 | cheeseboy | bier_, i cant w/o internet i need to dl debs manually |
| 02:46.33 | _Sam-- | same exact sequence -- create the parition, make it type fd, and w |
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| 02:47.00 | ryanCH | please help, i put the debian install CD into and booted and when it goes throught the text mode stuff, right after it shows "io scheduler cfq registered (default)", it freezes and nothing happends, what is wrong??? |
| 02:47.12 | chaoticflaws | aight |
| 02:47.17 | _Sam-- | we're almost done. |
| 02:47.19 | _Sam-- | almost |
| 02:47.22 | chaoticflaws | next mkfs.xfs? or |
| 02:47.26 | _Sam-- | now, we need to make a filesystem on the new drives |
| 02:47.27 | dacs | ryanCH is it dell? |
| 02:47.33 | _Sam-- | sure, if xfs is your choice |
| 02:47.40 | _Sam-- | i like ext3 myself |
| 02:47.47 | ryanCH | dacs: no it's a computer that i built myself |
| 02:47.51 | chaoticflaws | sure |
| 02:47.56 | chaoticflaws | i'll tap some ext3 |
| 02:48.11 | _Sam-- | mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1 |
| 02:48.14 | dacs | ryanCH then check the memory |
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| 02:48.21 | _Sam-- | and sdb1 |
| 02:48.31 | ryanCH | dacs: for what? |
| 02:48.46 | chaoticflaws | yup |
| 02:48.50 | chaoticflaws | and there she goes |
| 02:49.06 | _Sam-- | ok now we need to create the raid array when they are done |
| 02:49.08 | _Sam-- | and then thats it |
| 02:49.10 | dacs | ryanCH bad chip ,or not same MHz |
| 02:49.12 | _Sam-- | one more command |
| 02:49.15 | bier_ | cheeseboy: how about --no-download? don't know... |
| 02:49.21 | chaoticflaws | ok |
| 02:49.41 | _Sam-- | mdadm -C /dev/md0 -l 1 -n 2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 |
| 02:49.44 | ryanCH | dacs: well, Windows works well on this computer |
| 02:49.45 | _Sam-- | i think that should do it |
| 02:50.07 | _Sam-- | if all goes well, you should be able to do mdadm -D /dev/md0 and see something useful |
| 02:50.43 | _Sam-- | then the only thing left to do -- is mount the /dev/md0 someplace. |
| 02:50.47 | chaoticflaws | yup |
| 02:50.49 | chaoticflaws | sweeet |
| 02:51.08 | chaoticflaws | this will take a bit to get the file systems on |
| 02:51.14 | dacs | ryanCH yes i know... if you took your nike and plug into a windows box, it'll pop up and say that it found a nike "jordans" do you want to continue |
| 02:51.18 | _Sam-- | because its partition type linux auto raid, you dont need any other conf. |
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| 02:51.27 | _Sam-- | it will make the raid each time you boot |
| 02:51.34 | bier_ | damn, fuck this summer... 9 deg. c outdoors... in mid-summer, that's just ugly -.- |
| 02:51.37 | chaoticflaws | really? |
| 02:51.41 | chaoticflaws | sweet |
| 02:51.59 | _Sam-- | you can create an mdadm.conf file, but its mostly useless , AFAIK. |
| 02:52.07 | chaoticflaws | did you find a nice resource to figure this out? |
| 02:52.31 | _Sam-- | there are some poeple that know way more than here |
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| 02:52.31 | chaoticflaws | i just started working on the thing tonight |
| 02:52.31 | ryanCH | dacs: i se |
| 02:52.31 | _Sam-- | chaoticflaws : i been running linux software raid for about 10 years now |
| 02:52.31 | dude1234 | it was sort of like diablo only free, anyone has any clues? please! |
| 02:52.31 | ryanCH | *i se |
| 02:52.31 | ryanCH | err.' |
| 02:52.31 | ryanCH | i can't type today ;p |
| 02:52.35 | ryanCH | *i see |
| 02:52.38 | _Sam-- | but since i just did it on three boxes last week, it was rather fresh in my head. |
| 02:52.43 | dacs | ryanCHjust check it and see,you got nothing to loose |
| 02:52.58 | lcd15000 | im trying to setup a headless box connected with a serial cable, but for some reason i cannot get /sbin/agetty to start |
| 02:53.08 | chaoticflaws | _Sam--: well thank you sir. Sped up my configure stage quite a bit |
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| 02:53.29 | _Sam-- | chaoticflaws : good stuff. if you need anything else let me know. i enjoy that kind of project. |
| 02:53.32 | ryanCH | dacs: if the memory checks out to be good, what else should i do?? |
| 02:53.45 | wlu | NEED HELP!!!! |
| 02:54.06 | chaoticflaws | _Sam--: will do. I'm planning on getting two more 750's |
| 02:54.11 | dacs | ryanCH i will make sure that my HHD is good |
| 02:54.14 | chaoticflaws | building a raid for my school |
| 02:54.28 | chaoticflaws | extra back-up and once i get more then three i was going to hit raid 5 |
| 02:54.30 | bier_ | wlu: ned food!!! ;) |
| 02:54.42 | ryanCH | dacs: could this be a hardware issue, such as an IRQ or something?? |
| 02:55.02 | dacs | ryanCH See the same issue happen to me , and i tested diffrent CD-ROMs |
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| 02:55.48 | _Sam-- | chaoticflaws : the one thing that comes to mind with your current setup....if your OS drive fails, your box is down and out. i usually like to have some more redundancy there. maybe even another IDE drive for raid on that |
| 02:55.50 | wlu | bier_ at least someone noticed my question this time :) please look at my xorg.conf file pasted on http://pastebin.com/m79803111 and PLEASE FIND A MISTAKE |
| 02:56.01 | _Sam-- | then if one of those two IDE fail, either drive can boot at any time and continue to run a degraded raid. |
| 02:56.17 | chaoticflaws | hhmmm |
| 02:56.29 | _Sam-- | and you have no downtime |
| 02:56.30 | chaoticflaws | that would be fun |
| 02:56.34 | _Sam-- | all for the cost of a measley IDE drive |
| 02:56.35 | bier_ | wlu: what's the error you get? |
| 02:56.39 | chaoticflaws | haha |
| 02:56.45 | ryanCH | dacs: so, you eventually discovered the problem? |
| 02:57.00 | chaoticflaws | and the one in the right now is a 80 gig ide drive |
| 02:57.09 | chaoticflaws | and those are going for what? 40 bucks? |
| 02:57.18 | wlu | bier_ The third screen left does not work. |
| 02:57.19 | bier_ | wlu: very wierd config |
| 02:57.28 | wlu | bier_ why? |
| 02:57.33 | _Sam-- | probably somewhere close. howevever, migrating the running OS drive to a raid setup will be 30 minutes, not 15 next time :) |
| 02:57.45 | _Sam-- | there is a lot more to it. |
| 02:57.50 | chaoticflaws | yah |
| 02:57.57 | _Sam-- | but only about 3 steps |
| 02:58.02 | _Sam-- | and a few more reboots |
| 02:58.08 | wlu | bier_ two ati cards and a built in one. three monitors |
| 02:58.08 | chaoticflaws | i ran into a few tutorials that were doing basiclly that type of setup |
| 02:58.18 | _Sam-- | that was the one i gave you earlier |
| 02:58.26 | _Sam-- | migrating the running drive to raid 1 |
| 02:58.34 | chaoticflaws | yup |
| 02:58.38 | bier_ | wlu: heh, that explains all the sections, okay ;) |
| 02:58.40 | _Sam-- | i dont think its perfect instructions |
| 02:58.44 | _Sam-- | but close |
| 02:58.55 | fholmes | Can someone tell me how to use find to locate text within a set of files? |
| 02:59.02 | chaoticflaws | heh, is anything really perfect? i mean really really? |
| 02:59.08 | _Sam-- | fholmes: find doesnt do that, afaik |
| 02:59.26 | _Sam-- | i think you may want to check out "grep" |
| 02:59.29 | fholmes | Well, I have done it before but I can never remember. |
| 02:59.32 | _Sam-- | but im no expert |
| 02:59.41 | fholmes | Well, it uses a combination of grep. |
| 02:59.52 | fholmes | with the -print option. |
| 02:59.59 | chaoticflaws | cat [file name] | grep [string] |
| 03:00.11 | _Sam-- | grep "something" * |
| 03:00.12 | MangosDebian | _Sam--: find -exec usually is what they mean |
| 03:00.12 | chaoticflaws | where string is your text you want to find |
| 03:00.24 | bier_ | wlu: what errors/warnings do you get in your Xorg.0.log? |
| 03:00.32 | MangosDebian | fholmes: paste your find syntax that you have so far |
| 03:00.52 | _Sam-- | -exec is a new one to me |
| 03:00.56 | bier_ | wlu: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |grep EE |
| 03:01.05 | _Sam-- | bier_: thats redundant |
| 03:01.11 | _Sam-- | just grep EE Xorg.log |
| 03:01.31 | chaoticflaws | cat Xorg.log | grep EE |
| 03:01.33 | lithophyte | how can I figure out what pkg a file belongs to |
| 03:01.40 | _Sam-- | grep EE Xorg.log |
| 03:01.40 | bier_ | _Sam--: heh, whatever... just like to pipe stuff :F |
| 03:01.41 | bier_ | :D |
| 03:01.56 | twinkiman | has anybody had any luck installing vlc under lenny? |
| 03:01.56 | MangosDebian | _Sam--: its handy where globs are too much trouble with grep i guess. if anything its probably less efficient do to all the forks |
| 03:01.57 | _Sam-- | waste of a good cat! |
| 03:02.04 | chaoticflaws | sam do i have to create /dev/md0? |
| 03:02.07 | bier_ | _Sam--: yeah, true |
| 03:02.25 | fholmes | "find . -type file" is one place I always screw up. |
| 03:02.25 | twinkiman | the vlc testing branch is missing everywhere i can find |
| 03:02.28 | _Sam-- | chaoticflaws : you may need to if you dont have it: |
| 03:02.29 | _Sam-- | # cd /dev |
| 03:02.30 | _Sam-- | # MAKEDEV md |
| 03:02.33 | wlu | bier_ here it is http://pastebin.com/m775745c1 |
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| 03:03.07 | MangosDebian | fholmes: for one, its -type f not -type file |
| 03:03.18 | fholmes | MangosDebian, Thanks. |
| 03:03.18 | bier_ | wlu: how about WW instead of EE? |
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| 03:03.40 | MangosDebian | fholmes: kinda surprised they wouldnt allow file instead of just f though :/ |
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| 03:03.43 | _Sam-- | chaoticflaws : keep me in the loop |
| 03:04.07 | fholmes | MangosDebian: I know it is weird. |
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| 03:04.18 | chaoticflaws | _Sam--: seems to spit me udev active, devices will be created in /dev/.static/dev/ |
| 03:04.24 | twinkiman | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=vlc |
| 03:04.40 | wlu | bier_ http://pastebin.com/m3638bf96 |
| 03:04.41 | twinkiman | there is no testing branch |
| 03:04.41 | fholmes | MangosDebian: find . -type f -print | grep xargs getType |
| 03:05.01 | chaoticflaws | _Sam--: and then /sbin/MAKEDEV: don't knnow how to make device /dev/md |
| 03:05.11 | _Sam-- | not SBIN MAKEDEV |
| 03:05.12 | _Sam-- | cd /dev |
| 03:05.17 | _Sam-- | then right there MAKEDEV? |
| 03:05.22 | MangosDebian | fholmes: shouldnt need -print, i think its implied/default |
| 03:05.45 | _Sam-- | hmm sorry |
| 03:05.58 | _Sam-- | on the other box i was on, MAKEDEV *was* in /dev. |
| 03:06.07 | _Sam-- | but not on debian |
| 03:06.08 | chaoticflaws | whoops |
| 03:06.11 | chaoticflaws | i mean to type |
| 03:06.14 | chaoticflaws | /dev/md |
| 03:06.25 | bier_ | wlu: hm, looks "good" to me, at least i don't seem to be able to find something concerning your problem :-\ sorry |
| 03:06.36 | MangosDebian | _Sam--: MAKEDEV in /dev/ is sym link to /sbin |
| 03:06.55 | wlu | bier_ thanks for trying |
| 03:07.03 | _Sam-- | correct again. |
| 03:07.28 | bier_ | wlu: did you try the latest 8.39.4 fglrx? o remember a multiscreen problem in 8.38 |
| 03:07.36 | bier_ | s/o/i/ |
| 03:08.12 | MangosDebian | fholmes: sorry, just noticed your grep/xargs. are you trying to grep something from the list and output that to xargs getType command? |
| 03:08.31 | _Sam-- | chaoticflaws : what happens when you try to create the array with: mdadm -C /dev/md0 -l 1 -n 2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 |
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| 03:08.44 | wlu | bier_ I just did a couple of hours ago |
| 03:08.45 | chaoticflaws | mdadm: error opening /dev/md0: No such file or directory |
| 03:08.47 | wlu | no luck |
| 03:08.49 | chaoticflaws | i am root |
| 03:08.54 | _Sam-- | ok, sec |
| 03:08.57 | MangosDebian | fholmes: find . -type f -exec grep -i wordtogrep "{}" \; | xargs <cmd> |
| 03:09.27 | bier_ | wlu: then i have no clue at all.. maybe someone else can help... |
| 03:09.35 | MangosDebian | fholmes: take out the -i (case insensitive) if you know its only one case since it wastes clock cycles |
| 03:10.01 | bier_ | wlu: did you try to ask in #xorg? |
| 03:10.18 | fholmes | MangosDebian: This worked: find . -type f -print | xargs grep getTypeInfo |
| 03:10.28 | _Sam-- | chaoticflaws : add --auto to the end of the last command |
| 03:10.33 | _Sam-- | chaoticflaws : what happens when you try to create the array with: mdadm -C /dev/md0 -l 1 -n 2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 --auto |
| 03:10.38 | wlu | bier_ Thanks for trying and hope so as I am getting desperate here. I posted the question in #xorg about 10 times with no reply |
| 03:10.57 | chaoticflaws | auto requires an arguement |
| 03:11.02 | lithophyte | I have a package installed that has unmet depends but I don't care |
| 03:11.09 | lithophyte | how can I get apt-get to stop bugging me about it |
| 03:11.31 | WaxyFresh | whats the smallest debian based distro out there? |
| 03:11.39 | bier_ | wlu: heh, never mind... i am experiencing prolems with fglrx too... the xvideo extension just won't work with that ati-FUBAR... |
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| 03:12.47 | wlu | bier_ I think I am going to get different cards |
| 03:13.11 | _Sam-- | chaoticflaws : not to sound like the same thing again...but if you cd /dev |
| 03:13.16 | _Sam-- | then ./MAKEDEV md |
| 03:13.18 | _Sam-- | same thing? |
| 03:13.26 | chaoticflaws | yup just tried |
| 03:13.34 | bier_ | wlu: yeah, but the problem is that there is no alternative to ati and nvidia... you're fucked up, whatever you do. both have their problems |
| 03:14.10 | chaoticflaws | ah |
| 03:14.13 | chaoticflaws | --auto md |
| 03:14.26 | wlu | bier_ I might get a tripple head card but don't know what problems they have. have to research first before I get fucked with more dollars |
| 03:14.30 | chaoticflaws | and we have go! |
| 03:14.37 | _Sam-- | sorry |
| 03:14.45 | _Sam-- | --auto=yes |
| 03:14.47 | chaoticflaws | _Sam--: yup, --auto md for the win! |
| 03:14.55 | chaoticflaws | o i did md |
| 03:15.03 | chaoticflaws | but it looks like it did what it was supposed to |
| 03:15.07 | _Sam-- | works too |
| 03:15.08 | Rusty1 | WaxyFresh: http://damnsmalllinux.org/ , prolly smaller ones out there but have a look |
| 03:15.10 | _Sam-- | good for you |
| 03:15.19 | _Sam-- | i knew we were close, its the udev that threw me off |
| 03:15.26 | bier_ | wlu: yes, do a LOT of research... that's important |
| 03:15.42 | MangosDebian | fholmes: ah sorry, wasnt sure what you were trying to grep. ya, either would be ok in that case |
| 03:15.44 | chaoticflaws | yah |
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| 03:15.49 | bier_ | wlu: better than ending up with a not running system |
| 03:15.54 | chaoticflaws | _Sam--: what os do u run? |
| 03:16.07 | WaxyFresh | Rusty1: dsl is debian based?im basicly looking for something that uses apt |
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| 03:16.15 | _Sam-- | a mix of RHEL (not by choice) and debian sarge currently. |
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| 03:16.32 | MangosDebian | WaxyFresh: i hear debian has a pretty good implementation of apt :) |
| 03:16.39 | lolercaust | I JUST WON AN IPOD |
| 03:16.41 | lolercaust | :dddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD |
| 03:16.43 | lolercaust | xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD |
| 03:16.54 | netdaemon | MangosDebian, ...debian pioneered apt |
| 03:16.59 | wlu | bier_ good luck with your problem |
| 03:17.00 | _Sam-- | he forgot to mention its 1 gig ipod shuffle |
| 03:17.09 | bier_ | wlu: same luck to you ;) |
| 03:17.09 | MangosDebian | netdaemon: i was being sarcastic.... |
| 03:17.15 | WaxyFresh | MangosDebian: yup but i cant get debian to work on my friends computer |
| 03:17.18 | netdaemon | haha |
| 03:17.19 | MangosDebian | stew: ^^^^ |
| 03:17.26 | netdaemon | MangosDebian, you forgot the sarcasm tags ;) |
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| 03:17.46 | MangosDebian | netdaemon: ya sorry, i keep forgetting to run my comments through the w3c validator |
| 03:17.57 | netdaemon | hehe |
| 03:17.58 | chaoticflaws | _Sam--: rehl? |
| 03:18.03 | _Sam-- | close rhel |
| 03:18.08 | _Sam-- | rhel4 to be specific |
| 03:18.19 | WaxyFresh | MangosDebian: is that what you call your paper shreader? |
| 03:18.28 | _Sam-- | i try not to give them too much free exposure :) |
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| 03:18.39 | chaoticflaws | _Sam--: woops lol, i'm a bit tired. The keys.....thier so close together in the dark. |
| 03:18.39 | bier_ | it's red hat enterprise linux, afaik ;) |
| 03:18.41 | MangosDebian | WaxyFresh: w3c validator? |
| 03:19.00 | chaoticflaws | _Sam--: and why are you seemingly being forced to use rhel4? |
| 03:19.02 | MangosDebian | WaxyFresh: validator.w3.org |
| 03:19.30 | _Sam-- | we have some dedicated servers at datacenters that were only offered with RHEL |
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| 03:19.43 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: need your attn |
| 03:19.57 | chaoticflaws | _Sam--: gotcha |
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| 03:19.57 | micky | MangosDebian / _Sam-- I DID IT!!!! :D |
| 03:20.14 | MangosDebian | zomg! |
| 03:20.16 | micky | with 5 lousy ip route lines lol :) |
| 03:20.22 | bier_ | what time is it in the US? |
| 03:20.22 | MangosDebian | micky: ;) |
| 03:20.30 | _Sam-- | one of those lines was not an ip route line -- it was an ip rule line |
| 03:20.44 | _Sam-- | just like whatshisname was trying to tell you |
| 03:20.49 | MangosDebian | micky: well, arguably route or ip would work for your case i think. but gratz |
| 03:20.59 | brownie17 | hello lads. i am currently trying to reinstall debian after not having used it for about two years. i downloaded the netinst cd and burnt it, then i installd it and it didnt install the gnome desktop manager. i tried 'apt-get update && apt-get install gdm' and was told there was no such package. |
| 03:21.07 | MangosDebian | micky: although im sure masq/nat would work, it just seems....wrong :) |
| 03:21.09 | micky | _Sam-- ip rule yeah.. it`s 6 am already lol :) so gimme a break |
| 03:21.32 | _Sam-- | and you are using iptables with masq with that? |
| 03:21.34 | chaoticflaws | _Sam--: Whoops, i did raid 1 instead of 0. How do u take down the raid ? |
| 03:22.11 | _Sam-- | chaoticflaws : you said you wanted the drives mirrored? |
| 03:22.11 | MangosDebian | _Sam--: he was originally, snat :) |
| 03:22.28 | chaoticflaws | nah, I just wanted a nice flat raid 0 |
| 03:22.39 | chaoticflaws | mirror the os maybe later. |
| 03:22.47 | _Sam-- | i asked you specifically, up front, what you wanted to do with the drives -- you said you wanted a mirror...anywho... |
| 03:23.02 | brownie17 | can anyone tell me if it would be easier to install GDM to my existing insallation from a livecd or a terminal on the existing installaton? |
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| 03:23.16 | chaoticflaws | _Sam--: yah my bad. However, how does one go about reconfiguring? |
| 03:23.30 | dacs | guy can someone tell me whats wrong with my wireless connection please i am using debian etch 4.0 |
| 03:23.37 | _Sam-- | mdadm --remove /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 |
| 03:23.44 | Heston | brownie17, if you're not going to read the docs, you might aswell run ubuntu |
| 03:23.53 | chaoticflaws | _Sam--: thanks |
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| 03:24.14 | brownie17 | heston, oh buuuurrrn. hahah. alright i'll give them a try. |
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| 03:24.29 | _Sam-- | You cannot use "mdadm --remove" on drives that are in use, so they need to be set as faulty first. |
| 03:24.36 | dacs | for some reasone the box is not get an IP from my wireless router. my box is stuck at 192.168.1.104. i tried ifdown eth0 and ifup also /etc/init.d/networking restart but didn't fix the problem any idea whats wrong? |
| 03:24.43 | _Sam-- | lemme know if you have more tourble |
| 03:26.28 | brownie17 | heston, i take it by 'docs' you mean http://wiki.debian.org ?? when i last tried debian i don't remember these being any good. |
| 03:27.25 | Heston | brownie17, there are many places to find information, including google, debian.org, the wiki you mentioned, and more importantly, the man pages |
| 03:28.28 | stray_ | dacs, uh, maybe check dhcpcd or dhclient which is what actually gets the ip from the dhcp server. |
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| 03:29.17 | dacs | stray_ in windows there is ipconfig /release --renew .. is there is something like this in debian |
| 03:29.29 | Rusty1 | dacs eth0 is usually your wired interface, what does iwconfig show you? |
| 03:30.00 | dacs | Rusty1 iwconfig shows eth0 and it was working fine before |
| 03:30.21 | brownie17 | can anyone tell me where the repository list is stored on computer? |
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| 03:30.43 | brownie17 | like sources.list or whatever it's called |
| 03:31.18 | c`alin | /etc/apt/ |
| 03:31.44 | _Sam-- | im considering using the amazon s3 storage service for hosting images for our web server -- is anyone using the amazon s3 storage service? |
| 03:31.48 | dacs | brownie17 /etc/apt/source.list |
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| 03:31.58 | brownie17 | and also, what is the name of a very basic text editor that will be installed with netinst? |
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| 03:32.08 | JeremyK | brownie17: nano |
| 03:32.13 | stray_ | dacs, don't be afraid to check the man page for dhcpcd (hint -k). |
| 03:32.18 | dacs | brownie17 nano or pico |
| 03:32.19 | MangosDebian | bah, vim! |
| 03:32.25 | JeremyK | MangosDebian: he said "very basic" :P |
| 03:32.37 | mfrisch | ls |
| 03:32.39 | MangosDebian | JeremyK: i know, vim! thats only vim lite by default :) |
| 03:32.41 | dacs | MangosDebian he said basic :) |
| 03:32.48 | JeremyK | heh |
| 03:32.48 | dacs | lol |
| 03:32.50 | mfrisch | vim rules |
| 03:32.51 | MangosDebian | ;) |
| 03:32.55 | JeremyK | vim lite .. might as well not even use it ;| |
| 03:33.10 | Rusty1 | dacs or just look at the output from dhcpcd eth0 |
| 03:33.12 | JeremyK | i've never understood why distros insist on installing watered down versions of vim by default |
| 03:33.13 | MangosDebian | its only missing stuff like syntax highlighting and help files :) |
| 03:33.20 | dacs | brb |
| 03:33.29 | mfrisch | how is synamptic support these days? |
| 03:33.39 | JeremyK | i've never had any issues with touchpads |
| 03:33.48 | mfrisch | synaptics? |
| 03:33.57 | JeremyK | they're a little sensitive in linux, but otherwise |
| 03:34.28 | mfrisch | anyone know what disk ndiswrappers is on? |
| 03:35.55 | dacs | Rusty1 no command found for dhcpcd |
| 03:36.10 | chaoticflaws | _Sam--: I seem to be unable to shutdown the last drive. I am assuming there is a reason for this? |
| 03:36.23 | _Sam-- | yeah, just like i said above |
| 03:36.27 | _Sam-- | <_Sam--> You cannot use "mdadm --remove" on drives that are in use, so they need to be set as faulty first. |
| 03:36.33 | chaoticflaws | yup |
| 03:36.33 | MangosDebian | mfrisch: dvd1 ;) |
| 03:36.51 | chaoticflaws | _Sam--: i set the last drive /dev/sdb1 to faulty |
| 03:36.59 | chaoticflaws | when i try the remove it say's it's busy |
| 03:37.04 | _Sam-- | gimme sec, back in 5 -- wife beckons. |
| 03:37.10 | mfrisch | MangosDebian sounds like fun but would take forever on wifi ;-) |
| 03:37.15 | chaoticflaws | hah, np. take your time |
| 03:37.28 | MangosDebian | mfrisch: not much faster than my dsl |
| 03:37.42 | MangosDebian | err, much faster than |
| 03:37.44 | dacs | when i do dhclient eth0 i get bound to 192.168.1.104 renwaly in 32708 sec |
| 03:37.45 | mfrisch | MangosDebian how long to download? |
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| 03:38.03 | MangosDebian | mfrisch: couple hours? i dont recall. let it go overnight |
| 03:38.41 | MangosDebian | mfrisch: what kinda rates you get on your modem? |
| 03:38.46 | mfrisch | MangosDebian hhm maybe you do bittorrent or something |
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| 03:39.08 | MangosDebian | mfrisch: nah, direct from a mirror. bittorrent prolly faster though |
| 03:39.12 | mfrisch | MangosDebian 200-300kbps |
| 03:39.14 | Rusty1 | dacs ping your router's addy |
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| 03:39.43 | devicenull | What's the easiest way to reinstall grub? Boot a cd in rescue mode? |
| 03:39.49 | dacs | Rusty1 i got destenation unreachable |
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| 03:40.12 | devicenull | nm |
| 03:40.31 | MangosDebian | mfrisch: well, at least a few hours then. depends if you mean bits or bytes though |
| 03:40.51 | MangosDebian | mfrisch: go start a download and see what the eta is |
| 03:41.04 | mfrisch | MangosDebian should try out the new dvd burner ;-) |
| 03:41.13 | MangosDebian | mfrisch: shouldnt take more than 5 or 6 hours per dvd though |
| 03:41.20 | ryanCH | dacs: still no error messages |
| 03:41.40 | mfrisch | MangosDebian is that from debian.org or bittorrent? |
| 03:42.23 | MangosDebian | mfrisch: i cant speak for bittorrrent. but debian.org or any mirror should be similar speed |
| 03:42.47 | MangosDebian | mfrisch: www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 03:42.50 | stoned | Keyser Soze |
| 03:42.56 | brownie17 | i just added repositories to my /etc/apt/sources.list but i when i try apt-get update i get the following mesage 'could not onnect t security.debian.org:80 (1.0.0.0). - connect 113 no route to host)' does anyone know wy? |
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| 03:43.36 | MangosDebian | brownie17: 1.0.0.0? |
| 03:43.56 | brownie17 | MangosDebian, i know! wtf does that mean it's unable to resolve a DNS? |
| 03:43.59 | Rusty1 | dacs iwconfig shows ? |
| 03:44.01 | mfrisch | MangosDebian hhm which one is the midwest? |
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| 03:44.19 | simonrvn | your dns is screwed up? |
| 03:44.20 | MangosDebian | brownie17: apparently. whats: host security.debian.org say? or any dns |
| 03:44.31 | stoned | dns is toasted |
| 03:44.32 | _Sam-- | chaoticflaws : did you figure it out? |
| 03:44.38 | _Sam-- | i think you need to stop the array first |
| 03:44.42 | MangosDebian | mfrisch: are you serious? |
| 03:44.56 | simonrvn | security.debian.org. 300 IN A 128.31.0.36 ; security.debian.org. 300 IN A 212.211.132.32;security.debian.org. 300 IN A 212.211.132.250 |
| 03:45.05 | MangosDebian | mfrisch: just pick a mirror and start downloading if your that lost on geography |
| 03:45.07 | _Sam-- | then if you dont want raid1, i think you will have to get rid of the superblock on each drive |
| 03:45.13 | chaoticflaws | i was able to remove both disks |
| 03:45.22 | brownie17 | MangosDebian, bit of a linux newbie here. i typed "host security.debian.org" and got 'bash:host: command not found" |
| 03:45.24 | _Sam-- | easiest way will probably be to make the fileystems again |
| 03:45.35 | _Sam-- | i think otherwise the superblock will tell mdadm to make raid1 |
| 03:45.38 | chaoticflaws | _Sam--: already doing so at this moment |
| 03:45.38 | _Sam-- | i dont know for sure |
| 03:45.41 | mfrisch | MangosDebian it has mattered in the past and I usually just do a netinstall ;-) |
| 03:45.46 | MangosDebian | brownie17: ? what distro are you running? |
| 03:46.04 | brownie17 | MangosDebian, netinst etch, downloaded yesterday |
| 03:46.04 | chaoticflaws | _Sam--: sorry for the mix up in raid choice. |
| 03:46.06 | simonrvn | just means s/he doesn't have dnsutils installed |
| 03:46.17 | _Sam-- | not a big deal, and you got to learn some important commands |
| 03:46.25 | chaoticflaws | _Sam--: but i think i'm hitting the sac. finish that in the morning or something |
| 03:46.27 | brownie17 | MangosDebian, computer i am using now is on the same network and the internet is working fine. |
| 03:46.28 | _Sam-- | like to how to remove drives from your array if they break |
| 03:46.35 | chaoticflaws | _Sam--: yup and thats what i'm aiming for. |
| 03:46.40 | _Sam-- | ok fair enough didnt want to leave you hanging |
| 03:46.42 | MangosDebian | mfrisch: well, usually you pick one closest, but even if its next door to you, it wont matter if its swamped. just pick a mirror in your country and test the speed. if its acceptable, finish the download |
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| 03:46.51 | chaoticflaws | _Sam--: thanks again and good night |
| 03:47.05 | _Sam-- | sure thing, maybe catch ya tomorrow. if not, you only have 2 commands left |
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| 03:47.42 | _Sam-- | mdadm -C /dev/md0 -l 0 -n 2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 |
| 03:48.04 | _Sam-- | and then you need to mkfs.ext3 on the md0 |
| 03:48.06 | _Sam-- | and mount it. |
| 03:48.19 | brownie17 | MangosDebian, any idea why it wouldn't work? i usd to have debian like 3 years ago and it worked fine |
| 03:48.39 | _Sam-- | good luck and good night. |
| 03:48.53 | MangosDebian | brownie17: could be lots of reasons. check your network settings/route tables |
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| 03:49.23 | brownie17 | MangosDebian, this means nothing to me. sshouldn't it work automatically? |
| 03:49.40 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: heh, not like i can tell him to apt-get install bind9-host either :( |
| 03:49.55 | dacs | Rusty1 DHCP release on eth0 to 192.168.1.1 port 67,error for wireless request 'set Mode' (8B06): set failed on device eth0;operation not supported |
| 03:49.58 | mfrisch | MangosDebian having problems with http..and the first ftp I went to is trying a 443mb iso ;-( |
| 03:50.24 | MangosDebian | brownie17: depends on lots of things. |
| 03:50.48 | mfrisch | MangosDebian ftp can handle a dvd? |
| 03:51.01 | MangosDebian | mfrisch: why wouldnt it? |
| 03:51.12 | brownie17 | MangosDebian, well i've no idea how to fix it. should i just download an iso of like cd1 of full install and install from that? |
| 03:51.13 | mfrisch | MangosDebian usually cuts off |
| 03:51.21 | dacs | !seen piper69 |
| 03:51.21 | dpkg | piper69 <n=haiger@unaffiliated/piper69> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 23d 5h 10m 9s ago, saying: 'abrotman: what is it to get info about the newer packge'. |
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| 03:51.44 | dacs | !seen abrotman |
| 03:51.44 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1h 26m 26s ago, saying: 'lithophyte: if it makes you feel better .. there's no libconfhelper-perl in unstable at all'. |
| 03:51.46 | brownie17 | !seen [lethal] |
| 03:51.46 | dpkg | brownie17: i haven't seen '[lethal]' |
| 03:51.56 | MangosDebian | mfrisch: take a chance if you dont trust out advice |
| 03:52.00 | MangosDebian | our* |
| 03:52.30 | Rusty1 | dacs as much as it goes against my grain, have you rebooted the pc with the same result? |
| 03:53.40 | dacs | Rusty1 yes |
| 03:54.20 | simonrvn | great... |
| 03:54.21 | mfrisch | MangosDebian would if I could find a link. My original question what cd is ndiswrappers on?!? |
| 03:54.42 | brownie17 | ohhh this is so annoying. does anyone here know why i get the error message "'could not connect to security.debian.org:80 (1.0.0.0). - connect 113 no route to host)' |
| 03:54.52 | simonrvn | stew has a list of stuff on the cds on his site |
| 03:55.43 | mfrisch | simonrvn ok THANKS! |
| 03:56.09 | simonrvn | !cd contents |
| 03:56.09 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 03:57.00 | MangosDebian | brownie17: your networking is broken |
| 03:57.03 | dacs | Rusty1 the funny thing is the i went to my router and i erased my debian box"192.168.1.104" and i dhclient and it assigned it a 192.168.1.101, then i tried to ping and i couldn't and when i looked at my router DHCP table it shows it as 192.168.1.104 |
| 03:57.12 | MangosDebian | brownie17: pastebin your route and ifconfig settings |
| 03:57.31 | MangosDebian | brownie17: man route ; man ifconfig is all the help you get until then |
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| 03:58.25 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: heh, and I was just gonna tell him to download the Packages file's and look ;) |
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| 03:59.51 | brownie17 | !astebin |
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| 03:59.55 | brownie17 | !pastebin |
| 03:59.55 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
| 04:00.02 | simonrvn | crap |
| 04:00.14 | simonrvn | why am i lagging? |
| 04:00.42 | MangosDebian | your isp suck0rz? |
| 04:00.54 | simonrvn | dumb irssi locks up on me for no reason.... |
| 04:01.00 | stoned | simonrvn: check me out on oftc |
| 04:01.32 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: script perhaps? |
| 04:01.34 | dacs | simonrvn i have been using irssi for almost 3 years now never did that to me b4 |
| 04:01.57 | Rusty1 | dacs have you changed anything either on the router's dhcp server settings or , perhaps the wireless card , played with static ips or anything? |
| 04:02.06 | simonrvn | i have too, for almost as long... it's gotta be a script... |
| 04:02.23 | dacs | Rusty1 nope |
| 04:02.23 | brownie17 | MangosDebian, okay it's coming but i have to type it all out manually so it'll take ages |
| 04:02.34 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: try a traceroute/ping to someone ip? |
| 04:02.43 | simonrvn | hm, maybe longer come to think of it... anyway, it's probably a script |
| 04:02.58 | simonrvn | some of those are old... |
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| 04:03.11 | simonrvn | no, nothing to do with the network |
| 04:03.14 | piju | !ping |
| 04:03.14 | dpkg | pong |
| 04:03.14 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: whats your irssi cpu usage at? system? |
| 04:03.38 | simonrvn | that's the thing, it doesn't pin the cpu or anything when it does this |
| 04:03.48 | piju | hello |
| 04:03.52 | piju | i got something |
| 04:04.05 | dacs | piju i think u should do ping me |
| 04:04.13 | simonrvn | a lot of people have something |
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| 04:04.26 | Rusty1 | dacs any possibility of a different wireless router in the neighborhood ? |
| 04:04.56 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: /script reset? |
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| 04:05.17 | brownie17 | MangosDebian, http://paste.lisp.org/display/45371 |
| 04:05.39 | piju | can i install compiz, beryl on enlightenment ? |
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| 04:06.21 | dacs | Rusty1 there is , but why only thr bebian box and not my windows...both are using the same router wirelessly |
| 04:06.32 | MangosDebian | brownie17: numerical output (man route) and ifconfig as well |
| 04:07.28 | MangosDebian | brownie17: also, /etc/resolv.conf if you can |
| 04:08.01 | Rusty1 | dacs iwconfig shows some signal, packets etc. |
| 04:08.29 | piju | iwlist <wireless interface> scan |
| 04:08.32 | lightning | are there any power savers in gnome? |
| 04:08.43 | piju | lightning yes. there is |
| 04:08.49 | MangosDebian | brownie17: and where did you name "mygateway1..."? |
| 04:08.50 | lightning | piju: where at? |
| 04:09.08 | piju | check power management |
| 04:09.09 | simonrvn | yeh called the power button |
| 04:09.15 | simonrvn | :P |
| 04:09.30 | lightning | (system goes down) |
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| 04:09.37 | brownie17 | MangosDebian, http://paste.lisp.org/display/45372 |
| 04:09.43 | lightning | lol |
| 04:09.57 | brownie17 | MangosDebian, i don't think i ever typed that in. |
| 04:10.14 | simonrvn | at least ctrl-alt-del first ! |
| 04:10.25 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 04:10.36 | piju | no |
| 04:10.42 | piju | it should be type |
| 04:10.44 | lightning | maybe it is powersave turning on and not screensaver |
| 04:10.45 | MangosDebian | brownie17: put a copy of your /etc/resolv.conf as well as /etc/hosts. and ifconfig eth0 |
| 04:10.46 | piju | rm -rf /* |
| 04:11.04 | MangosDebian | piju: don't type that in here please |
| 04:11.14 | piju | just kidding |
| 04:12.34 | dacs | Rusty1 signam =-20 dBm and its not moving |
| 04:12.40 | simonrvn | please don't kid about that piju |
| 04:13.08 | simonrvn | some morons have actually gone and done that when someone was kidding |
| 04:13.29 | dacs | piju thats not funny |
| 04:13.38 | Rusty1 | dacs gtg, sorry i couldn't help more |
| 04:14.02 | stoned | you can do rm -rf /bin/laden |
| 04:14.06 | stoned | eheh hehehe hehe . |
| 04:14.11 | dacs | Rusty1 atleast you tried , no problem man have a good one |
| 04:14.21 | dacs | stoned lol |
| 04:14.27 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 04:14.31 | stoned | or 'make love' |
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| 04:14.48 | stoned | 'can't make love, not enough or too many arguments' |
| 04:14.50 | stoned | hehehe |
| 04:14.52 | brownie17 | MangosDebian, http://paste.lisp.org/display/45373 |
| 04:15.03 | dacs | stoned what??!!! you want to rm making love |
| 04:15.10 | stoned | no |
| 04:15.26 | simonrvn | no, duh |
| 04:15.29 | brownie17 | mangos, resolv.conf shows only nameserver 10.1.1.1 |
| 04:15.34 | MangosDebian | brownie17: netmask 25.0.0.0? |
| 04:15.42 | simonrvn | make love |
| 04:15.43 | simonrvn | make: *** No rule to make target `love'. Stop. |
| 04:15.54 | stoned | awe |
| 04:16.01 | stoned | should modify the source |
| 04:16.08 | dacs | simonrvn make INSTALL love |
| 04:16.09 | simonrvn | you could have fun with that |
| 04:16.19 | stoned | hehe |
| 04:16.27 | dacs | ./ reposition |
| 04:16.27 | MangosDebian | brownie17: bcast 1.255.255.255 not 10.255.255.255? |
| 04:16.38 | dacs | anywho |
| 04:16.39 | stoned | sudo apt-get install funny-manpages && man baby |
| 04:16.49 | brownie17 | MangosDebian, typo |
| 04:16.50 | Guerin | make love || war |
| 04:17.03 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 04:17.14 | stoned | Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at twb.ath.cx. |
| 04:17.18 | stoned | that sucks |
| 04:17.19 | MangosDebian | brownie17: copy/paste plz |
| 04:17.21 | k-man | is there a way to set up some kind of interrupt driven watch on a directory, that any time a file gets added there it will start some process or service to process the file? |
| 04:17.25 | dacs | Guerin are you in mode today to help me with my wireless |
| 04:17.26 | stoned | baby -- create new process from two parents |
| 04:17.42 | k-man | i know i can do it by poling, but i want a more interrupt driven approach |
| 04:17.43 | stoned | Guerin: whats up shredda hater |
| 04:17.51 | Guerin | dacs: i'm a bit shit with wireless. My attitude is `if you need to build drivers for it, sell it online and buy a better one' |
| 04:17.53 | stoned | hehe |
| 04:18.06 | brownie17 | MangosDebian, it's on a different computer, and i guess i could load it with a livecd and copy paste but i don't think that one i'm on a livcd it'll show the same thing for 'ifconfig' |
| 04:18.12 | Guerin | stoned: tea and crumpets, my good sir |
| 04:18.16 | dacs | Guerin hahahah. am not builing anything |
| 04:18.30 | stoned | what is a crumpet |
| 04:18.31 | simonrvn | Guerin: that's about good |
| 04:18.33 | brownie17 | MangosDebian, extreme newbie here, really don't know how i should be doing this. |
| 04:18.33 | stoned | like a pastery |
| 04:18.34 | Guerin | dacs: then what seems to be the problem |
| 04:18.41 | stoned | I like tea and milk and sugar |
| 04:18.43 | stoned | lots of milk |
| 04:18.45 | stoned | thick tea |
| 04:18.46 | simonrvn | stoned: a bread related thing |
| 04:18.48 | Guerin | stoned: quite quite, old chap. |
| 04:18.55 | MangosDebian | brownie17: and your /etc/hosts file? |
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| 04:19.04 | dacs | Guerin it was working fine, now i can't get it to connect to the internet |
| 04:19.08 | brownie17 | MangosDebian, coming |
| 04:19.13 | Guerin | stoned: durn subcontinentals |
| 04:19.20 | stoned | ey! |
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| 04:19.23 | Guerin | dacs: why not? |
| 04:19.26 | stoned | i'll poke you |
| 04:19.28 | simonrvn | !nuke Guerin |
| 04:19.37 | Guerin | stoned: i love chai, but it's far too much work to make in small quantities |
| 04:19.45 | stoned | Guerin: nah |
| 04:19.53 | Guerin | simonrvn: very Musharraf of you |
| 04:19.58 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 04:20.04 | _Sam-- | Guerin: just go to starbucks and get one |
| 04:20.05 | stoned | Guerin: tiny bit of water, lots of milk, two lipton yellwo label teabags, nuke it for 2 minutes |
| 04:20.17 | stoned | add sugar and you are good to go my man |
| 04:20.18 | simonrvn | eeew starbukcs, the walmart of coffee |
| 04:20.22 | simonrvn | bucks* |
| 04:20.23 | Guerin | _Sam--: no, I was talking about *edible* foodstuffs |
| 04:20.39 | stoned | Guerin: i make chai 3 times a day at home |
| 04:20.39 | _Sam-- | oh , i forgot this was #debian -- my fault! |
| 04:20.39 | Guerin | stoned: don't have a microwave |
| 04:20.42 | stoned | just for myself |
| 04:20.44 | stoned | Guerin: ohh |
| 04:20.46 | stoned | that sucks |
| 04:20.49 | Guerin | nope |
| 04:20.57 | Guerin | quite happy without one |
| 04:20.58 | stoned | you can buy a cheap personal one for like 40^ |
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| 04:21.01 | stoned | $40 |
| 04:21.12 | stoned | its convenient and fast |
| 04:21.16 | Guerin | i think my mum has offered to give me one |
| 04:21.28 | dacs | Guerin: for some reasone the box is not get an IP from my wireless router. my box is stuck at 192.168.1.104. i tried ifdown eth0 and ifup also /etc/init.d/networking restart but didn't fix the problem any idea whats wrong? |
| 04:21.30 | Guerin | there's no space in the kichen for the dam thing which couldn't be better used elsewhere |
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| 04:21.42 | Guerin | dacs: try dhclient eth0 |
| 04:21.42 | stoned | Guerin: you are married? |
| 04:21.50 | Guerin | stoned: since Y2K |
| 04:22.04 | stoned | and for 7 years you and your woman have not had a microwave oven |
| 04:22.06 | stoned | dude wtf |
| 04:22.10 | dacs | Guerin i did that and didn't work |
| 04:22.16 | stoned | why do you put her through that |
| 04:22.20 | stoned | make her cooking life easy man |
| 04:22.21 | Guerin | hell no, we had one in Korea |
| 04:22.26 | stoned | ahh |
| 04:22.33 | metbsd | Guerin is a german, he has been to many places |
| 04:22.35 | stoned | i thought you had something against them |
| 04:22.36 | _Sam-- | why would they want a microwave, they want to eat *edible* food |
| 04:22.38 | simonrvn | that's a funny man page |
| 04:22.40 | stoned | i know this one guy, won't nuke nothing |
| 04:22.42 | metbsd | like korea, china, so on |
| 04:22.45 | stoned | simonrvn: try condom |
| 04:22.46 | stoned | ;) |
| 04:22.48 | stoned | man condom |
| 04:22.53 | brownie17 | MangosDebian, http://paste.lisp.org/display/45374 |
| 04:22.57 | Guerin | stoned: put her through what? she barely knows which end of the spatula to spatulate with |
| 04:23.04 | stoned | lol |
| 04:23.10 | stoned | spatulate |
| 04:23.12 | stoned | lol |
| 04:23.27 | MangosDebian | brownie17: and finally /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:23.30 | Guerin | metbsd: where do you get this delusion I'm a german? |
| 04:23.52 | metbsd | Guerin, you told me last time |
| 04:23.57 | Guerin | stoned: i cook, she cleans - that's the deal. |
| 04:23.57 | metbsd | Guerin, are you a german |
| 04:24.01 | Guerin | metbsd: no. |
| 04:24.04 | Guerin | never have been |
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| 04:24.16 | metbsd | ok, so that's another german with bad attitude |
| 04:24.16 | Guerin | you might be thinking of streuner |
| 04:24.21 | brownie17 | MangosDebian, alreay gave you that, it's just one line 'nameserver 10.1.1.1" |
| 04:24.24 | metbsd | yah maybe |
| 04:24.34 | simonrvn | hehehe setiud |
| 04:24.45 | joaquinlugones | Hola! |
| 04:24.52 | simonrvn | kwe kwe |
| 04:24.57 | metbsd | so, will debian take back openwebmail? |
| 04:25.09 | MangosDebian | brownie17: and what is 10.1.1.1 running? |
| 04:25.12 | Guerin | metbsd: from whom? And when did it ever? |
| 04:25.13 | stoned | kkwe kew |
| 04:25.25 | brownie17 | MangosDebian, i believe that is my router |
| 04:25.27 | stoned | kew kew |
| 04:25.28 | stoned | argh |
| 04:25.34 | stoned | kwe kwe --? |
| 04:25.36 | brownie17 | MangosDebian, built in modem |
| 04:25.50 | metbsd | Guerin, debian removed openwebmail from its repo some time ago |
| 04:25.57 | stoned | ohh yeh |
| 04:25.59 | stoned | hello |
| 04:26.12 | simonrvn | exit codes: |
| 04:26.13 | simonrvn | -1 An attempt was made to use condom on a floppy disk. |
| 04:26.24 | MangosDebian | brownie17: where is mygateway1.a coming from |
| 04:26.30 | stoned | lol |
| 04:26.35 | simonrvn | stoned: means hello, hi |
| 04:26.47 | brownie17 | MangosDebian, i have NO idea what that is. |
| 04:26.50 | Guerin | metbsd: I'm presuming a reason was given ... I expect when that reason no longer returns true it will be taken back |
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| 04:27.09 | MangosDebian | brownie17: ping 10.1.1.1 -c1 |
| 04:27.24 | stoned | damn its half past midnight |
| 04:27.48 | brownie17 | MangosDebian, that worked fine |
| 04:27.54 | _Sam-- | how about nslookup www.cnn.com 10.1.1.1 |
| 04:27.57 | MangosDebian | brownie17: if your ip static or dynamic from the router? |
| 04:28.25 | MangosDebian | seems to me your running dns |
| 04:28.43 | dacs | Guerin so do you know what i can do |
| 04:28.48 | brownie17 | MangosDebian, tbh i'm not sure. i did think i had it sset up as stati 10.1.1.136, but now i think it's possibly 10.1.1.2 |
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| 04:29.29 | Guerin | dacs: what was the outputnof dhclient eth0;? |
| 04:29.41 | brownie17 | MangosDebian, is it possible my router simply isn't compatible? it said on the box it was linux compatible, that's why i bought it years ago |
| 04:30.09 | metbsd | oh crap, why debian has to use conf.d |
| 04:30.28 | MangosDebian | brownie17: im sure its fine. but your 10.1.1.1 ip shouldnt have dns unless your router is setting it |
| 04:30.55 | brownie17 | MangosDebian, so... ? what does this mean? |
| 04:31.12 | MangosDebian | brownie17: go try windows |
| 04:31.58 | brownie17 | MangosDebian, hahah. okay. i guess i'm not made for linux. damnit! reinstall windows then! |
| 04:32.05 | MangosDebian | brownie17: your error actually suggests that what you pasted for ifconfig was accurate and set wrong. but you claim it was a typo. so what am I to believe |
| 04:32.33 | brownie17 | MangosDebian, sorry, it might have been typed correctly. |
| 04:32.49 | brownie17 | MangosDebian, i may have made a mistake |
| 04:32.58 | Guerin | brownie17: you sound like a politician |
| 04:33.01 | Greg__ | i got this wireless network card that works in ubuntu but wont work in debian what can i do? |
| 04:33.12 | MangosDebian | brownie17: oh well, sorry i can't help anymore. if you can't paste accurately than I can't help accurately. good luck |
| 04:33.16 | Guerin | Greg__: use ubuntu? |
| 04:33.29 | Greg__ | dont want to :( |
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| 04:33.35 | Guerin | Greg__: then use debian. |
| 04:33.49 | Guerin | life is simple :) |
| 04:33.54 | brownie17 | MangosDebian, oohhh burrrrnt. okay i'll try someone else. sorry for wasting your time |
| 04:34.08 | Greg__ | Guerin, i want to use debian AND my wireless to work |
| 04:34.20 | Guerin | Greg__: what prevents it from working in debian? |
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| 04:34.35 | Greg__ | Guerin, assertion error |
| 04:34.51 | brownie17 | what's code for restarting computer |
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| 04:35.01 | Greg__ | brownie17, reboot |
| 04:35.08 | brownie17 | lovely |
| 04:35.34 | Guerin | Greg__: i recommend you send your wireless card to anger management if it's getting agressive. |
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| 04:35.56 | brownie17 | Guerin, ha! |
| 04:36.03 | Greg__ | Guerin, assertion no agression |
| 04:36.11 | brownie17 | bloody hell this damn router is annoying me |
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| 04:36.32 | Guerin | Greg__: well ... perhaps you just need to teach it to express itself better. |
| 04:36.41 | Guerin | then again |
| 04:36.52 | Guerin | you could just find the actual error |
| 04:37.06 | Greg__ | Guerin, its this http://www.mailarchives.org/list/debian-kernel/msg/2006/04402 |
| 04:37.12 | Guerin | bravo |
| 04:39.02 | streuner | bravissimo! |
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| 04:39.36 | Guerin | Greg__: that bugreport is quite technical, but it contains a patch |
| 04:39.40 | brownie17 | does anyone know why my router won't let me connect to the repos, or any server |
| 04:39.41 | dacs | Guerin there is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.pid with pid 19342. Killed old client process, removed pid file |
| 04:39.57 | Greg__ | Guerin, where i get lost :/ |
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| 04:40.20 | dacs | Guerin bound to 192.168.1.101 --renewal in 35751 sec |
| 04:40.32 | Guerin | Greg__: the patch begins at `---' and ends at `do' and without context i guess it should be run a patch -p0 < patchfile; in / |
| 04:40.57 | Guerin | Greg__: are you using an ibook? |
| 04:41.15 | Guerin | dacs: so now you have an ip. what is not working? |
| 04:41.23 | Greg__ | Guerin, no |
| 04:41.39 | dacs | Guerin nope it's not |
| 04:41.51 | Guerin | Greg__: then the patch seems unlikely to work,. since it seems to refer directly to ibook stuff |
| 04:42.19 | Guerin | dacs: paste your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 04:42.21 | Greg__ | it gets access point and macadress but i dont get internet :/ |
| 04:42.29 | brownie17 | i'm tossing up between ubuntu and killing myself at the moment |
| 04:42.44 | Guerin | Greg__: i suggest you ask someone who knows a bit about the driver |
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| 04:42.56 | c`alin | brownie17: sounds like a stupid way of asking for help |
| 04:42.58 | Guerin | Greg__: I don't; and nor do I care much abour broadcom evil crap |
| 04:43.04 | dacs | Guerin its not on this computer its in another box that doesn't have network |
| 04:43.20 | Guerin | dacs: get it on the network somehow. |
| 04:43.20 | brownie17 | c`alin, nope, tried the stupid way, this is the goodbye message. |
| 04:43.22 | Greg__ | anyone know stuff about broaadcom? |
| 04:43.31 | c`alin | brownie17: have fun |
| 04:43.49 | brownie17 | c`alin, enjoy your life |
| 04:43.58 | c`alin | I try to :) |
| 04:44.20 | Guerin | emo kids these days |
| 04:44.34 | c`alin | lols |
| 04:44.50 | c`alin | should have reminded him to kill -9 |
| 04:44.50 | Guerin | he'll go away and listen to some My Chemical Romance and feel all better again |
| 04:45.46 | dacs | Guerin i know i check it and its correct |
| 04:46.11 | Guerin | dacs: if it's correct, then your network card is working. The problems are all in your head. |
| 04:46.23 | Guerin | hurrah, that was easy |
| 04:46.30 | Guerin | now I'm going to hit the books |
| 04:46.35 | Guerin | have fun, kiddiwinks |
| 04:46.45 | dacs | Guerin i can't ping the DHCP i get operation not permitted |
| 04:46.56 | Guerin | dacs: reboot |
| 04:47.04 | dacs | i did that |
| 04:47.09 | Guerin | ah well |
| 04:47.10 | dacs | but i will do it again |
| 04:47.17 | Guerin | not much I cna do for you without seeing those files |
| 04:47.22 | Guerin | good luck with that |
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| 04:56.33 | user1_ | how do i view full log of booting message |
| 04:56.41 | user1_ | including all device and all report |
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| 04:59.15 | lightning | any icewm users here? |
| 04:59.29 | pike_ | debian has to be the easiest linux install. when things go right ;) |
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| 05:02.05 | jrwr | im looking for a program that i can use to manage my movies and anime |
| 05:02.19 | bendover | pike_: i have installed it twice on this system, but now it fails for some reason... |
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| 05:03.35 | user1_ | where do i see the system log? |
| 05:03.58 | Zordon | jrwr: Griffith if you are looking for db manager |
| 05:04.03 | infernal_jesus | user1_: syslog? :P |
| 05:04.09 | user1_ | yah |
| 05:04.22 | infernal_jesus | user1_: /var |
| 05:05.00 | user1_ | i want to see everything instead of one daemon by one daemon |
| 05:05.12 | user1_ | everything displayed when it boots |
| 05:07.20 | user1_ | i feel my system is fcked up by kernel upgrading |
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| 05:07.38 | punsad | user1_: do you still have your old kernel? |
| 05:07.40 | user1_ | openwebmail won't get write lock if i switch kernel from 2.6.10rc3 to 2.6.18 |
| 05:07.46 | user1_ | yes i do |
| 05:07.51 | user1_ | it works fine in old kernel |
| 05:07.53 | punsad | user1_: just edit your bootload to roll back |
| 05:08.02 | user1_ | yes i can always roll back |
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| 05:08.03 | user1_ | but |
| 05:08.07 | punsad | user1_: s/bootload/bootloader/ |
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| 05:08.13 | user1_ | the old 2.6.10rc3 is too old to use |
| 05:08.15 | user1_ | panic alot |
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| 05:08.30 | user1_ | so i upgraded it to 2.6.18 and hope it to panic less |
| 05:08.36 | dacs | Guerin i am still getting destination unreachable when i ping my router |
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| 05:08.42 | punsad | user1_: so what sort of problems are you seeing? |
| 05:08.54 | user1_ | kernel itself does not have any problem |
| 05:08.58 | user1_ | problem is from openwebmail |
| 05:09.08 | user1_ | i login fine, view folders fine |
| 05:09.25 | user1_ | when i sent a mail, it says it cannot get the write lock on /sent-draft |
| 05:09.31 | user1_ | although i have that directory wide open |
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| 05:10.06 | simonrvn | right ownership too? |
| 05:10.46 | user1_ | of course |
| 05:10.46 | user1_ | after i made it wide open |
| 05:10.53 | user1_ | openwebmail compalins about "unable to update index db" |
| 05:10.59 | user1_ | it might be openwebmail's bug |
| 05:11.37 | user1_ | maybe i should try different kernel |
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| 05:11.46 | user1_ | instead of the latest in 2.6.18? |
| 05:11.57 | user1_ | those kids might change something in kernel |
| 05:12.00 | dacs | is there is a way i can get the network config like when i first install the box |
| 05:12.08 | simonrvn | i don't think that will matter |
| 05:12.38 | user1_ | or maybe i missed some options in kernel? |
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| 05:12.46 | joefso | What is freeBSD? |
| 05:13.01 | user1_ | i don't know what im missing, does speedy cgi require anyting on kernel? |
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| 05:13.57 | pike_ | joefso: seriously? |
| 05:14.11 | wastr2 | whats a good way to test my upload and download speed |
| 05:14.11 | joefso | yes |
| 05:14.17 | joefso | I'm new to all this |
| 05:14.31 | pike_ | np |
| 05:14.39 | simonrvn | joefso: a *nix, open source, BSD licenced |
| 05:15.02 | infernal_jesus | joefso: better than linux :P there's a very user friendly type of freebsd - PC_BSD |
| 05:15.11 | pike_ | you can type /join #freebsd also you might get someone friendly there |
| 05:15.12 | dacs | ping me |
| 05:15.18 | joefso | i have a lowend machine, which I want to use as webserver, I want to run a photo gallery php software on it |
| 05:15.24 | simonrvn | wouldn't say better, i would say different |
| 05:15.38 | simonrvn | joefso: linux or bsd will run ok on that |
| 05:15.42 | joefso | and I would like to know which one is headed better(?) for these things |
| 05:15.54 | simonrvn | eh? |
| 05:16.06 | infernal_jesus | joefso: first time with linux and/or bsd? |
| 05:16.13 | pike_ | freebsd is very elegant but suffers from a few issues that might just be due to the lower userbase i guess. good server. |
| 05:16.21 | simonrvn | for a newbie i'd go for debian or ubuntu, the bsds require that you know what you're doing |
| 05:16.30 | simonrvn | pike_: agreed |
| 05:16.36 | joefso | infernal_jesus, i have not tried bsd yet. I'm using debian or month or so |
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| 05:16.42 | infernal_jesus | joefso: I'm with simonrvn on this one, go with debian |
| 05:17.03 | user1_ | hmm what's the grammar for multiple A record ? |
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| 05:17.35 | infernal_jesus | joefso: it is a very stable server, and you don't have to install x, so it can run smoothly on lowend machines |
| 05:17.36 | user1_ | freebsd in bsd world is like fedora in linux |
| 05:17.54 | user1_ | netbsd in bsd is more like debian in linux |
| 05:17.55 | simonrvn | you don't have to install x on anything ;) |
| 05:18.09 | mswillow | Hi Folks, How does one get flash to work in iceweasel? Installed the "flashplugin-nonfree" and I still don't get flash, do I need to get the one from Adobe and manually install it? |
| 05:18.14 | simonrvn | user1_: only so far as netbsd supports more arches |
| 05:18.23 | infernal_jesus | simonrvn: good point :P |
| 05:18.26 | user1_ | that's what newbie says |
| 05:18.28 | joefso | but what are the differences between FreeBSD and Debian in aim ? |
| 05:18.42 | user1_ | what do you think is needed to support many arches? |
| 05:18.52 | infernal_jesus | joefso: aim? |
| 05:18.56 | pike_ | mswillow: i just clicked on the flash app in the browser and im assuming it installed the plugin to .mozilla |
| 05:18.58 | simonrvn | joefso: debian's social contract, and bsd's policy are what you should read to answer that |
| 05:19.08 | user1_ | simonrvn, what do you think is needed to support many arches? |
| 05:19.12 | joefso | infernal_jesus, yes for example with ms windows we have windows for desktop and windows for server ... |
| 05:19.22 | simonrvn | kernel support for starters ;) |
| 05:19.26 | mswillow | simonrvn, Not running bsd, running debian 4. |
| 05:19.31 | user1_ | wrong |
| 05:19.38 | user1_ | kernel is just linux thingy |
| 05:19.42 | simonrvn | uh, right |
| 05:19.45 | simonrvn | no it isn't |
| 05:19.45 | infernal_jesus | joefso: debian is for everything, bsd is more for highly stable servers which need a lot of configuring |
| 05:19.48 | user1_ | in other *nix, kernel isn't that important |
| 05:19.54 | simonrvn | right |
| 05:20.07 | user1_ | in linux, kernel is fatal |
| 05:20.09 | infernal_jesus | user1_: kernel is important in every OS :p |
| 05:20.12 | user1_ | which is true |
| 05:20.17 | simonrvn | i suggest you go do some reading |
| 05:20.27 | pike_ | i once tried to get mythtv working on freebsd.. i tried |
| 05:20.31 | user1_ | in bsd or other *nix, generic kernel works just fine |
| 05:20.40 | user1_ | forget it, you guys new to this |
| 05:20.41 | infernal_jesus | user1_: what do you mean by generic? |
| 05:20.47 | infernal_jesus | default? |
| 05:20.50 | user1_ | yah |
| 05:20.51 | simonrvn | if it's not compiled for the right arch it won't even run.... |
| 05:21.05 | simonrvn | don't listen to this maroon |
| 05:21.16 | user1_ | yah don't listen to me. |
| 05:21.19 | infernal_jesus | user1_: default kernel works for every system, if it didn't work you wouldn't even be able to boot your system |
| 05:21.28 | user1_ | im just debian newbie after all |
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| 05:21.38 | user1_ | right |
| 05:21.44 | infernal_jesus | user1_: you don't have to compile a new kernel for your linux os if you don't want to |
| 05:21.56 | simonrvn | you need support for the hardware, for the cpu, for everything, it starts at the kernel level |
| 05:22.30 | user1_ | i'm just saying that other *nix's kernel is not as important to the os as how linux kernel is to linux |
| 05:22.33 | mswillow | pike_, No flash apps in the browser, everything says I need java running(it is, I think) or I need toget the latest flash plugin, for which I installed the flashplugin-nonfree from the repository and it still isn't working even after rebooting. |
| 05:22.42 | simonrvn | user1_: they're just as important |
| 05:23.02 | user1_ | the default kernel includes everything like k7, intel, amd |
| 05:23.12 | simonrvn | those are just sub-arches |
| 05:23.17 | user1_ | because that little KB of memory is not concerned |
| 05:23.33 | mswillow | I get: "Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Macromedia's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player." |
| 05:23.43 | user1_ | i'm talking about the big picture of getting an os to work in many arches |
| 05:24.03 | user1_ | basically you can linux to run in as many arch as netbsd does |
| 05:24.03 | mswillow | Is the one in the respository too old to work? Yeah, I'm confuzed :). |
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| 05:24.10 | infernal_jesus | user1_: you mean porting it? |
| 05:24.15 | cafuego | user1_: k7 isn't an arch. i386 is (as opposed to say powerpc or sparc) |
| 05:24.17 | user1_ | yah |
| 05:24.36 | simonrvn | keep yabbering and showing your ignorance |
| 05:24.53 | infernal_jesus | user1_: you don't know what you're talking about, do you? |
| 05:25.03 | simonrvn | no he doesn't |
| 05:25.07 | user1_ | forget it |
| 05:25.07 | mswillow | Anyone got flash working in iceweasel? Had no problems with it in firefox before I upgraded to deb?!? |
| 05:25.09 | pike_ | mswillow: id pkill iceweasel;mv .mozilla .mozilla-bak; iceweasel <-- first ive not had any trouble in etch with flash in repo |
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| 05:25.30 | mswillow | pike_, will try that, thanks! |
| 05:25.32 | pike_ | mswillow: er mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla-bak i mean |
| 05:25.46 | user1_ | so what's the grammar to put multiple A record for a host |
| 05:25.48 | simonrvn | i've actually run netbsd ffs |
| 05:25.55 | user1_ | ffs? |
| 05:25.57 | mswillow | pike_, rr understand, need to export bookmarks before I do that though. |
| 05:26.04 | simonrvn | !ffs |
| 05:26.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
| 05:26.29 | user1_ | i've run windows ufs |
| 05:26.44 | user1_ | i mean solaris ufs, i've run it |
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| 05:29.00 | karsten | mswillow: Yep. |
| 05:29.38 | Mandor | Is anybody else having odd problems with stable where the loopback interface doesn't want to come up with an /etc/netork/interface restart? |
| 05:29.55 | mswillow | closed it and now it is still running, I think I had less hassles with firefox :-(. |
| 05:29.59 | Mandor | I had a working system on which I did an apt-get update; apt-get -u dist-upgrade. |
| 05:30.31 | Mandor | Was old stable, now it's stable. Loopback interface is there in /etc/network/interfaces, but doesn't work by default. |
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| 05:30.44 | infernal_jesus | Mandor: is it uncommented? |
| 05:30.53 | Mandor | infernal_jesus: yes, uncommented. |
| 05:30.59 | Mandor | infernal_jesus: and was working before upgrade. |
| 05:31.09 | mswillow | pike_, Got it back up and still no flash :-( |
| 05:31.24 | mswillow | And nothing else anymore either... |
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| 05:31.29 | cast | people still use apt-get? |
| 05:31.33 | Mandor | "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback", just as the manpage says. |
| 05:31.36 | infernal_jesus | Mandor: maybe 'ifconfig lo up' |
| 05:31.37 | infernal_jesus | ? |
| 05:31.48 | Mandor | infernal_jesus: yes, that works. |
| 05:31.59 | Mandor | infernal_jesus: What I was wondering was why it doesn't work automatically. |
| 05:32.13 | simonrvn | mswillow: there's been issues with the flashplugin-nonfree package and FUBAR md5sum on the tarball |
| 05:32.13 | mswillow | pike_, I think I'll try uninstalling what came out of the repository and just get and install the one from Adobe and see if that works. |
| 05:32.19 | pike_ | mswillow: id remove that package and just grab the linux plugin from adobe site. all it is is a drag and drop to the folder in /usr/lib or .mozilla about:plugins doesnt show it? |
| 05:32.20 | Mandor | I stuck an "up echo here: lo" after the iface lo stanza, and it didn't even run the echo command. |
| 05:32.41 | Mandor | If I manually ifconfig lo up, it works. |
| 05:32.54 | Mandor | If I ifup lo, it sometimes works. |
| 05:33.05 | infernal_jesus | Mandor: try look up auto lo |
| 05:33.11 | DragonD | is there a way to install libc6 2.4 on etch? |
| 05:33.21 | Mandor | /etc/init.d/networking restart, does not work for lo. |
| 05:33.24 | karsten | !tell DragonD about search |
| 05:33.26 | Mandor | infernal_jesus: auto lo is set . |
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| 05:33.31 | karsten | DragonD: aptitude, presuming it exists. |
| 05:33.39 | mswillow | pike_, There is No "about:plugins" or do I need to type that in the url dialog? |
| 05:33.41 | infernal_jesus | Mandor: oh.. hm.. do you know when your lo goes down? |
| 05:34.05 | Mandor | infernal_jesus: once it's up, it stays up. It just doesn't come up at boot. |
| 05:34.07 | karsten | mswillow: Type it in the location dialog. |
| 05:34.20 | mswillow | karsten, Nope, no flash... |
| 05:34.26 | Mandor | I've worked around this, but it bothers me. |
| 05:34.32 | karsten | Mandor: You might want to boot single, then walk though your init scripts and watch what happens. |
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| 05:34.57 | karsten | mswillow: The Firefox plugin should work. IIRC you download it from Macromedia's (now Adobe's) site. |
| 05:35.02 | DragonD | i said on etch... etch only has 2.3.6... so my question |
| 05:35.10 | infernal_jesus | Mandor: do other interfaces go up? |
| 05:35.20 | Mandor | infernal_jesus: yes, other interfaces go up. |
| 05:35.22 | mswillow | Will remove the repository one, move .mozilla.bak back and install the one from adobe. Thanks! |
| 05:35.48 | Mandor | karsten: I've got a laptop hooked up the console. I'll check it. However, this happens even in multi-user mode, with /etc/init.d/networking restart. |
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| 05:35.54 | karsten | DragonD: I haven't memorized all packages / versions. Possibly bakcports. |
| 05:36.11 | karsten | !tell DragonD about backports |
| 05:36.26 | karsten | Mandor: Something's not right. |
| 05:36.29 | mswillow | karsten, Firefox stuff was working (preserved $HOME) before iceweasel came in, worked fine on my box but not working here, dunno. |
| 05:36.34 | infernal_jesus | Mandor: hm.. I don't know, you can always add 'ifconfig lo up |
| 05:36.36 | infernal_jesus | ' |
| 05:36.40 | infernal_jesus | to rc.local |
| 05:36.48 | infernal_jesus | and make a duct-tape kind of repair :D |
| 05:36.51 | Mandor | karsten: nothing special on the console. |
| 05:37.28 | karsten | mswillow: I know I've got it working, don't recall what i did. There's a standard plugin install, should be pretty much the same as Firefox. |
| 05:37.30 | Mandor | infernal_jesus: yes, I've already duct-taped it with "up ifconfig lo up" in the eth0 stanza, which insures that lo comes up at the right point in the boot sequence. But I don't like that. |
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| 05:37.54 | mswillow | karsten, Ok, will get that and give it a go, thanks MUCH! |
| 05:37.58 | karsten | Mandor: Pastebin your /etc/network/inerfaces file. |
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| 05:38.06 | infernal_jesus | Mandor: well.. as long as it works, why worry? :P |
| 05:38.28 | Mandor | karsten: pastebin? |
| 05:38.38 | karsten | !pastebin |
| 05:38.38 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
| 05:39.25 | Mandor | infernal_jesus: if there is something I don't understand, it might be biting me elsewhere. And if it's a bug, it should be reported so other people won't have it. |
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| 05:40.28 | Tobsn | hmm if i apt-get install sudo... thats the default password if i exec something with sudo? |
| 05:40.33 | Tobsn | isnt it the root pass? |
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| 05:41.07 | karsten | Tobsn: sudo prompts for the *user's* password. 'su' prompts for *root's* password. |
| 05:41.08 | infernal_jesus | Tobsn: the root pass is the one you set during debian installation |
| 05:42.03 | Mandor | karsten: http://rafb.net/p/xLcSBx28.html |
| 05:42.20 | OXIj | can anybody help me with this task: i have samba server and some win clients. now then i ping (in windows) one of them by IP i want to get their NetBios name in ping answer. like arpa in dns. how can i make it? |
| 05:42.29 | Mandor | The "up ifconfig lo up" stanzas are new. |
| 05:42.51 | Tobsn | infernal_jesus, good one ;) |
| 05:42.55 | Tobsn | karstem okay... hmm |
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| 05:43.12 | mswillow | karsten, pike_, That worked, thank you very VERY much! |
| 05:43.12 | karsten | Mandor: the lo stanza looks kosher. Not sure why that doesn't work. |
| 05:43.20 | karsten | mswillow: Sweet. |
| 05:43.35 | Mandor | karsten: OK, I guess I'll report it as a bug. Thanks! |
| 05:44.02 | mswillow | :-), later folks got to try to fix the serial mouse problem, bbl. |
| 05:44.03 | karsten | OXIj: IIRC you set your wins/bind resolver order preference. Better to set all your hostnames in BIND IMO. |
| 05:44.24 | karsten | ... it liked corn flakes. |
| 05:44.41 | Mandor | Another issue that came up: I had previously put my module configs in /etc/modutils. Apparently, current modprobe uses /etc/modprobe.d. One of my systems became remotely unreachable because of this. :( |
| 05:44.44 | yotta|lap | OXIj: you could have the windows clients register themselves with a bind dyndns server |
| 05:45.09 | OXIj | yotta|lap, how? |
| 05:45.10 | karsten | Mandor: /etc/modules should work for that. |
| 05:45.24 | yotta|lap | OXIj: ISC's DHCP server can do it. |
| 05:45.38 | Mandor | karsten: /etc/modules is just a list of modules to load. This is module options. |
| 05:45.38 | yotta|lap | with ISC BIND as the DNS server |
| 05:45.45 | OXIj | yotta|lap, they have static IPs |
| 05:45.54 | karsten | Mandor: You can set uptions w/ the modules IIRC. |
| 05:46.00 | Mandor | karsten: and /etc/modprobe.d worked -- it's just a violation of backwards compatibility. |
| 05:46.13 | yotta|lap | then enter the ips in a hosts file or dns serrver manualy you laxy bum ;) |
| 05:46.16 | karsten | Mandor: Hrm. See release notes. |
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| 05:46.40 | infernal_jesus | I'm gone guys.. see you all later |
| 05:46.47 | Mandor | karsten: again, my problem was not to get it working once I figured out what was wrong. My problem was that when I did an update, it broke. This is a violation of Debian policy, I thought. |
| 05:46.52 | Mandor | Ah, well. |
| 05:47.08 | OXIj | yotta|lap, well. and if i have new client? i need to reconfigure server? |
| 05:47.18 | yotta|lap | yeah |
| 05:47.25 | lolercaust | is anyone using itunes in here? |
| 05:47.30 | lolercaust | i got 15 free songs |
| 05:47.30 | karsten | Mandor: Depends on the release notes. But I'll grant you it falls into the annoying and "it doesn't Just Work" territory. |
| 05:47.33 | karsten | !anyone |
| 05:47.34 | lolercaust | :s |
| 05:47.34 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 05:47.53 | OXIj | karsten, >wins/bind resolve< where to set it? |
| 05:47.56 | lolercaust | karsten, i want to give them away :/ |
| 05:48.17 | karsten | OXIj: Somewhere in the samba prefs. It's been years. |
| 05:48.18 | OXIj | karsten, samba shold work like wins proxy? |
| 05:48.30 | karsten | OXIj: I'm *really* hazy on this. |
| 05:48.47 | OXIj | ok. ill look thru man |
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| 05:48.57 | mikeones | hello |
| 05:49.37 | karsten | OXIj: #samba may help. Or peterS. |
| 05:49.58 | OXIj | thx |
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| 05:50.54 | Peacimowen | Is there a way of making iceweasel look like firefox to websites? I encounter a few websites that won't let me do anything and tell me to get a supported browser (firefox among them) |
| 05:50.55 | OXIj | mm? |
| 05:51.17 | Agrajag- | Peacimowen: install the User Agent Switcher plugin |
| 05:51.18 | karsten | Peacimowen: There are a number of user-agent tweaker plugins. |
| 05:51.36 | karsten | Peacimowen: I think it's also configurable through about:config |
| 05:52.24 | karsten | Peacimowen: general.useragent.extra.firefox |
| 05:52.53 | karsten | Peacimowen: ... general.useragent.* in general seems to hold the substrings. |
| 05:52.54 | mikeones | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.11 | Heston | there is, search apt |
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| 05:53.39 | karsten | !upgrade kernel |
| 05:53.40 | dpkg | somebody said upgrade kernel was to upgrade your kernel in etch or later, run "aptitude install linux-image-2.6-$ARCH" but replace $ARCH with one of {486,686,k7,ppc,etc...} for your specific cpu, if you don't know which arch is correct, ask me about <686> or <486> or <k7>, etc. DO NOT let it remove your currently running kenrel under any circumstances. If you are trying to upgrade your kernel in sarge ask me about <sarge upgrade kernel> |
| 05:53.40 | Heston | or use synaptic if you have a DE installed |
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| 05:54.20 | mikeones | !upgrade kernel-k7 |
| 05:55.35 | mikeones | is this what I want for smp? linux-image-2.6-k7-smp - Linux 2.6 image on AMD K7 SMP - transition package |
| 05:55.56 | mikeones | or is this safer? linux-image-2.6-k7 - Linux kernel 2.6 image on AMD K7 |
| 05:56.22 | Heston | you have a multiprocessor k7 board? |
| 05:56.26 | Peacimowen | karsten: Thanks |
| 05:57.01 | mikeones | Heston: model name : Dual-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2220 |
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| 05:57.45 | Heston | mikeones, ok then, go with the 686 smp kernel |
| 05:57.56 | Heston | not the k7 |
| 05:57.59 | dacs | gents ... how can i unload a mode... i did modprobe -r <modle name> and i got FATAL: module is in use |
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| 05:58.44 | mikeones | Heston: http://pastebin.ca/640198 <- cat /proc/cpu |
| 05:58.56 | mikeones | I am not sure what I need |
| 06:00.19 | Heston | mikeones, you should be good with the generic 686 smp kernel |
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| 06:00.26 | Alexander | Hi, gurus |
| 06:00.49 | Alexander | where could I find some useful win32 related IRC channels? |
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| 06:01.20 | dacs | Alexander /say /list win32 |
| 06:01.29 | dacs | ^ |
| 06:01.36 | dacs | *eerrr |
| 06:01.46 | dacs | /list win32 |
| 06:01.53 | dacs | there we go |
| 06:02.14 | dacs | guys how can i disable a module please |
| 06:02.21 | dacs | !modprobe |
| 06:02.22 | dpkg | i heard modprobe is something you use to install modules with it |
| 06:02.37 | dacs | how to uninstall it |
| 06:02.52 | cahoot | dacs, you have to figure out what's using the module |
| 06:03.17 | dacs | cahoot please, how can i do that |
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| 06:03.38 | cahoot | dacs, what module is it? |
| 06:03.41 | dacs | how can i find which dev /hardware is using that modile |
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| 06:04.48 | dacs | cahoot, well i am having issue with my pcmcia card. lsmod listed orinaco,oranco_cs and hostap |
| 06:04.50 | Heston | mikeones, depending on what you're doing with your server, you may want to run the 64 bit version of debian |
| 06:05.02 | Heston | mikeones, however i dont believe its fully supported |
| 06:05.06 | mikeones | thanks Heston, one more thing. will apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 edit my /boot/grub/menu.lst and create initrd? |
| 06:05.43 | Heston | mikeones, it should take care of everything, however that isnt the smp kernel |
| 06:06.09 | Sememmon | Does anything control whether a system boots with drives using dma other than hdparm? My drives keep losing their dma settings when I reboot even though I've tried -k1 and/or -K1 |
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| 06:07.01 | mikeones | Heston: I meant this linux-image-2.6-686-smp |
| 06:07.05 | mikeones | :) |
| 06:07.22 | Heston | mikeones, ok then, thats the one |
| 06:08.23 | mikeones | Heston: is it safe to run apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686-smp through ssh and reboot into the new kernel? |
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| 06:09.14 | dacs | cahoot |
| 06:09.24 | Heston | mikeones, that's a good question, one I do no know the answer to. |
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| 06:09.48 | dacs | cahoot so do u know how i can turn off that module using the modprobe -r |
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| 06:10.09 | Heston | mikeones, I would assume you could install the kernel, reboot and ssh should run as normal, however, this is assuming everything goes perfect |
| 06:10.19 | mikeones | :) |
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| 06:11.26 | Heston | mikeones, you could always check out google for a similar situation -- you arent the first person to attempt this |
| 06:13.07 | Tobsn | hmm cant i make a .motd per user? |
| 06:13.17 | Tobsn | some notice shown every login... |
| 06:13.46 | mikeones | Heston: Thanks agian. |
| 06:14.05 | Heston | mikeones, no problem, good luck |
| 06:15.33 | Caelum | Tobsn: just edit /etc/profile to do it |
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| 06:17.06 | jossh | are all 20+ cd images required to install debian? |
| 06:17.14 | pike_ | absolutely |
| 06:17.19 | Heston | not |
| 06:17.32 | Caelum | wow, it's up to 20? |
| 06:17.36 | Caelum | awesome |
| 06:17.52 | pike_ | jossh: id just grab the first one if you have a broadband connection |
| 06:17.55 | Caelum | jossh: just do a netinstall.... |
| 06:18.26 | sep | jossh, just 20 ? i guess there are 20 for each arch so it's realy 220 or something :) |
| 06:18.43 | jossh | i'd rather download all i need to to get a running system. then use apt to get the other things i need. |
| 06:18.50 | jossh | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/bt-cd/ |
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| 06:18.53 | Heston | i386 would have the most packages |
| 06:18.54 | sep | jossh, if you have network use the netinstall cd. you apt the rest. |
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| 06:19.34 | jossh | sep, sort of a security freak here. i'd like to download the images so i can verify their checksums match before burning. |
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| 06:20.00 | jossh | is there any way to just use one or two cd's to install? |
| 06:20.15 | sep | jossh, you can verify the netinstall c, then apt on the netinstall will use the regular apt checksumming to verify the packages you download |
| 06:20.17 | Heston | you only need the netinstall cd, montioned above |
| 06:20.22 | pike_ | jossh: the first cd will give a working desktop though. the packages in the images are sorted by use so most common ones are in first iso then second etc |
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| 06:21.04 | jossh | is there an easy to read list of what things are on each cd? (besides the jigdo stuff) |
| 06:21.10 | assasukasse | hi all, i have a small ot question, i am in hong kong right now, and my smtp server refuses connection, since i am using a free wifi service, how can i send emails anyway? like a free smtp..any idea? |
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| 06:22.06 | tcsetattr | you want to know if there is some place that accepts and relays mail from a perfect stranger in Hong Kong? we call those "spam spigots". |
| 06:22.07 | streuner_ | free smtp is prolly your smarthost (ISP) |
| 06:22.32 | jelly-home | assasukasse: gmail + authentication? |
| 06:22.33 | streuner_ | assasukasse: How about to use your ISP smtp server? |
| 06:22.45 | assasukasse | streuner_: the problem is that i am using a free wifi |
| 06:22.57 | assasukasse | jelly-home: does it accept from not gmail accounts? |
| 06:22.58 | streuner_ | "free wifi"? |
| 06:22.59 | pike_ | assasukasse: what isp? |
| 06:23.03 | jelly-home | assasukasse: no |
| 06:23.04 | assasukasse | netvigator |
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| 06:23.31 | assasukasse | streuner_: is a free service they grant to the ppl staying in this resort |
| 06:23.44 | pike_ | assasukasse: i mean your home isp |
| 06:24.00 | assasukasse | i use tiscali at home |
| 06:24.02 | jelly-home | assasukasse: ask them which smtp server to use |
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| 06:24.30 | assasukasse | jelly-home: i already know, smtp.netvigator.com but can send only netvigator emails.. |
| 06:24.48 | streuner_ | assasukasse: there are a number of free mailproviders here in germany, you are able to use there smtp server then |
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| 06:25.08 | streuner_ | gmx, web.de and many more |
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| 06:25.46 | jelly-home | assasukasse: I'd use your ISP's webmail, then. |
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| 06:26.16 | pike_ | assasukasse: why not just use the webmail? http://www.tiscali.co.uk/login/index.php?url=/commscentre/email/index.php |
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| 06:26.36 | assasukasse | jelly-home: i have a ssh tunnel with my home pc, how could i just send using the ssh tunnel? |
| 06:26.55 | aeshyamae | is there any speech recognition support for debian which can be a replacement to keyboard and mouse?or any guidlines on the architecture if i would like to build one? |
| 06:27.07 | giwe | how do I delay a certain interface in /etc/network/interfaces to go up? |
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| 06:28.25 | jelly-home | assasukasse: hm, forward eg. localhost:20025 to your machine at home's localhost:25, then use localhost:20025 as smarthost |
| 06:28.25 | sep | assasukasse, ssh -L 25:your_smtp_server:25 user@home (would tunnel port25 from your local machine to your home and send it to smtp server |
| 06:28.59 | sep | assasukasse, or ssh -D port (and use 127.0.0.1:port as your applications socs proxy) |
| 06:29.44 | jelly-home | sep: has to be root to forward 25: ... |
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| 06:30.01 | lolercaust | is anyone using itunes in here? |
| 06:30.12 | lolercaust | i would give away 15 free songs |
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| 06:32.21 | unknow990 | Hello Guys |
| 06:32.45 | unknow990 | can anybody see why this command dosent work for me ?? sudo apt-get -s install rt3-clients |
| 06:33.01 | lightning | unknow990: what is the error? |
| 06:33.11 | unknow990 | package not found |
| 06:33.13 | assasukasse | i prefer not to use the webserver because i wanna keep records of my mails |
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| 06:33.49 | brownie17 | does anyone know why i would be able to ping and telnet any server, but not connect to them through firefox? |
| 06:34.11 | unknow990 | debian 4.0 |
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| 06:34.13 | Tobsn | hmm nobody an idea how to give each user a personal motd? |
| 06:34.19 | aeshyamae | any guidlines to build a voice response system for gnome |
| 06:34.19 | aeshyamae | ?some softwares which respond to voice command? |
| 06:34.21 | Supaplex | brownie17: what other symptoms? |
| 06:34.25 | tcsetattr | according to packages.debian.org/rt3-clients that package only exists in oldstable |
| 06:34.30 | dondelelcaro | Tobsn: you can with your own pam_motd.so, but there's really no reason to bother |
| 06:34.33 | sep | unknow990, perhaps your not running oldstable ? |
| 06:34.48 | brownie17 | Supaplex, not able to connect through apt-get or anything |
| 06:34.49 | dondelelcaro | Tobsn: the alternative way is to give each user a blurb in their default .bashrc or similar |
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| 06:34.53 | lightning | unknow990: apt-cache search rt3, i think they're labeled differently |
| 06:34.56 | unknow990 | is there any commands, so I can see the packages?? |
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| 06:35.07 | lightning | unknow990: apt-cache search |
| 06:35.22 | lightning | apt-cache search rt3 |
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| 06:35.37 | Tobsn | a blurb? |
| 06:35.38 | giwe | Is there a way to bring ppp interface up only when eth0 is up for sure? |
| 06:36.08 | lightning | giwe: i think icewm can do that |
| 06:36.14 | assasukasse | jelly-home: i dunno what is a smarthost..sep i tried your way, but i use rsa autentication, and i don't have root key autorized |
| 06:36.16 | Supaplex | brownie17: does www.purple.com show up? it's a small page (maybe you have an mtu issue) |
| 06:36.29 | Tobsn | don_inlab, what you mean with blurb? |
| 06:36.36 | giwe | lightning, icemw? |
| 06:36.38 | sep | giwe, dont put auto on the ppp interface and use the up/down arguments on the eth0 interface forinstance |
| 06:37.02 | giwe | sep, good advice. |
| 06:37.13 | Tobsn | hmm |
| 06:37.15 | lightning | giwe: yes |
| 06:37.24 | Tobsn | dondelelcaro what you mean with blurb? |
| 06:37.29 | brownie17 | Supaplex, same as usual, 'connection refused' |
| 06:37.36 | lolercaust | i see dead vaginas |
| 06:37.44 | lolercaust | they are everywhere :D |
| 06:38.33 | bust3r_work | lol |
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| 06:38.57 | brownie17 | Supaplex, what do you know about nameservers? |
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| 06:39.19 | giwe | sep, in principle, interfaces manual says that the interfaces are brought up in order and eth0 is before ppp0. |
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| 06:39.59 | assasukasse | can i tunnel port 2525 to my home server then link port 2525 to 25 ? |
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| 06:40.12 | Guerin | assasukasse: you have our permission |
| 06:40.20 | Guerin | your employer might disagree |
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| 06:40.34 | assasukasse | Guerin: why? is my private pc |
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| 06:40.54 | dondelelcaro | Tobsn: like echo "This is a blurb" or similar |
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| 06:40.59 | Guerin | assasukasse: i presume without knowledge that you're tunneling from home to work |
| 06:41.02 | Supaplex | brownie17: more than I'd like to admit. :) do you have tcptraceroute installed? |
| 06:41.05 | Guerin | or vice versa |
| 06:41.22 | assasukasse | Guerin: actually i am tunneling from my lap to my home...since i can't send email from my lap.. |
| 06:41.31 | Guerin | assasukasse: whyever not? |
| 06:41.37 | stoned | from your lap! wow |
| 06:41.39 | stoned | ;) |
| 06:41.55 | assasukasse | Guerin: i am in hong kong and the free wifi service i use doesn't allow smtp sending |
| 06:42.14 | Supaplex | assasukasse: but ssh has port forwarding... |
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| 06:42.29 | Supaplex | heck, fireup a vpn ;) |
| 06:42.55 | assasukasse | Supaplex: problem, i use rsa key, and i don't have root key authorized...privileged port can be forwarded only by root |
| 06:42.56 | Guerin | assasukasse: yeah, ssh should work fine for this. I get around such stupidity by using ssh and mutt |
| 06:44.00 | Supaplex | assasukasse: so use a non-priv port, and reconfigure your mua |
| 06:44.10 | assasukasse | Guerin: u are right, but i didn't want to give root permission to login on my home pc.. |
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| 06:45.51 | Guerin | assasukasse: use su |
| 06:46.05 | jelly-home | assasukasse: there's no need for your pc to know it's root that's logging in. ssh .... user@home |
| 06:46.05 | Guerin | assasukasse: if you travel a lot i recommend OPIE |
| 06:46.15 | stoned | anything bad happen to ext3 if mounted as ext2? |
| 06:46.37 | Guerin | stoned: just no journal. Otherwise fine. |
| 06:46.54 | stoned | cool |
| 06:47.09 | tcsetattr | if the ext3 hadn't been cleanly unmounted last time, you lose the opportunity to recover what it had in the journal |
| 06:47.14 | Guerin | yes |
| 06:47.26 | stoned | other than that it should be fine then |
| 06:47.47 | stoned | because I am mounting my ext3 as RW through a windows xp driver |
| 06:47.50 | stoned | ext2 IFS |
| 06:47.53 | Guerin | tcsetattr: longtime nosee sah. |
| 06:47.59 | brownie17 | Supaplex, don't think so. is it standard? |
| 06:48.03 | stoned | it mounted it as ext2 rw |
| 06:48.14 | stoned | its all good i guess |
| 06:48.15 | assasukasse | Supaplex: mua? |
| 06:48.17 | stoned | i got backups |
| 06:48.19 | assasukasse | ok what did i do is this: ssh -L 2525:smtp.tiscalinet.it:25 user@home.. |
| 06:48.21 | assasukasse | but seems hang.. |
| 06:48.21 | Guerin | stoned: make sure you sync it before unmounting |
| 06:48.25 | Peacimowen | speaking of checking file systems, how do you check it manually (instead of the occasional waiting for it to be checked automatically on a fresh boot.. sometimes when I'm in a hurry!) |
| 06:48.25 | Guerin | if you can |
| 06:48.33 | stoned | Guerin: yup |
| 06:48.37 | assasukasse | doesnt work..dunno why |
| 06:48.57 | Guerin | Peacimowen: fsck.something /dev/foo # ONLY when unmounted |
| 06:49.08 | Guerin | Peacimowen: or if you MUST have it mounted, it must be mounted RO |
| 06:49.13 | Supaplex | !mua |
| 06:49.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, mua is a mail user agent, in other words mutt, balsa, pine, elm or any other mail client program. |
| 06:49.30 | Tobsn | dondelelcaro, http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/CustomLoginMessage - very nice. |
| 06:49.37 | kryptoz | hi, is youtube.com down ? can anyone try access it ? |
| 06:49.44 | Supaplex | assasukasse: try telnet localhost 2525, see if you get a banner. |
| 06:49.49 | Guerin | kryptoz: who cares? Ask elsewhere. |
| 06:49.50 | Peacimowen | .. that's annoying. |
| 06:49.51 | Supaplex | kryptoz: they were slashdotted ;) |
| 06:49.52 | tcsetattr | so... what would you do if you had a process busy-looping in kernel mode? |
| 06:50.10 | Peacimowen | So I can't simply check it while logged in. |
| 06:50.42 | Guerin | Peacimowen: you can, subject to the caveats I mentioned. If it's / you're mostly fucked, though. |
| 06:51.15 | assasukasse | Supaplex: got this Connected to localhost. |
| 06:51.15 | assasukasse | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 06:51.15 | assasukasse | Connection closed by foreign host. |
| 06:51.16 | dondelelcaro | Tobsn: yeah, the only thing is that you don't want to follow its advice of using /etc/bashrc. [At least, not on any machine that someone like me would log in.] |
| 06:51.20 | Peacimowen | I just get annoyed when I boot and it checks automatically because it's been mounted so many times. |
| 06:51.42 | Guerin | Peacimowen: so change it with tune2fs (presume ext*) |
| 06:51.46 | brownie17 | supaplex, i have discoverent a possible cause for the problem. ipv6. i disbled it in firefox through about:config but i need to do it for all linux |
| 06:51.52 | tcsetattr | you can tune the howmany-mounts-before-fsck parameter to make it effectively never |
| 06:52.44 | assasukasse | jelly-home: when i try to ssh 25:smtp:25 i get i cant forward privileged ports.. |
| 06:52.47 | Supaplex | brownie17: ahh yes. interesting. |
| 06:53.11 | brownie17 | supaplex, do you know how to disable it? |
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| 06:53.37 | Tobsn | don_inlab, nah i dont did this... i just edited /home/user/.bashrc |
| 06:53.37 | stoned | Shikaka |
| 06:53.48 | Tobsn | dondelelcaro, nah i dont did this... i just edited /home/user/.bashrc |
| 06:53.49 | Tobsn | ;) |
| 06:53.58 | Tobsn | thx anyway! brb. |
| 06:54.03 | Supaplex | brownie17: no actually |
| 06:54.30 | brownie17 | Supaplex, thankyou for trying |
| 06:54.51 | Supaplex | !listkeys ipv6 |
| 06:54.52 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ipv6' by key (6): debian ipv6 ;; ipv6 ;; #debian ipv6 ;; ipv6-sources ;; _default ipv6-sources ;; _default ipv6. |
| 06:55.10 | xingu | brownie17: what problem is ipv6 a cause of? |
| 06:55.12 | Supaplex | those are for using ipv6, not disabling. I guess you could blacklist ipv6 |
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| 06:58.04 | assasukasse | Supaplex: if i telnet 2525 i get the banner, however my thiunderbird doesnt send the email even if i changed smtp port to 2525 |
| 06:58.48 | Supaplex | assasukasse: using 127.0.0.1 as the host? |
| 06:59.03 | assasukasse | ah no :D STUPID ME |
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| 07:00.57 | unknow990 | I thing my CPU is unstable. How can I test it? |
| 07:01.13 | tcsetattr | apt-get install crashme ? |
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| 07:03.39 | Supaplex | assasukasse: hehe :P btw, port 587 might be open to (on the smtp server; aka submission service) |
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| 07:08.16 | MasterKong | ack |
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| 07:09.42 | MasterKong | hiya..i'm running lenny.. when i did an Update a couple of days ago i lost my swedish keymap in console... anyone know how i get it back? |
| 07:10.32 | MasterKong | and how so i find files in bash? |
| 07:10.42 | xingu | b0rk-b0rk-b0rken! |
| 07:10.43 | xingu | sorry. |
| 07:10.53 | MasterKong | recursevly |
| 07:11.01 | MasterKong | bork bork? |
| 07:11.10 | cast | not tonight i have a headache |
| 07:11.17 | MasterKong | what? |
| 07:12.06 | xingu | MasterKong: jim henson's muppets, swedish chef character, catchphrases of |
| 07:12.23 | xingu | MasterKong: find files - this is what find(1) is built for |
| 07:12.51 | MasterKong | i know.. but i dont get the man page |
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| 07:13.03 | xingu | MasterKong: nfi about lenny keymaps, running sid in an en_GB locale. |
| 07:13.04 | MasterKong | how do i search recursivly |
| 07:13.18 | MasterKong | ok |
| 07:13.32 | xingu | MasterKong: is the default; find /root/path -name somename |
| 07:13.58 | brownie17 | Supaplex, i'm not sure it was a problem. i started using www.opendns.com, but disabling ipv6 allowed me to go there |
| 07:14.12 | MasterKong | i want a swedish keymap in an english enviroment |
| 07:14.20 | brownie17 | supaplex, i have now re-enbled ipv6 |
| 07:14.22 | xingu | brownie17: what is the fault? |
| 07:14.28 | Dewi | can you really buy 2000GB of web hosting bandwidth for like $6 ? |
| 07:14.37 | brownie17 | xingu, unable to resolve hosts |
| 07:14.49 | cast | Dewi: no. |
| 07:14.51 | xingu | brownie17: when you ping, do they resolve to 1.0.0.0 ? |
| 07:15.12 | brownie17 | xingu, no, pinging worked. |
| 07:15.18 | Dewi | cast: I mean I know traffic is cheap in the USA but that seems kind of strange: http://surpasshosting.com/ |
| 07:15.33 | xingu | brownie17: when you /telnet/, do they resolve to 1.0.0.0 ? |
| 07:15.38 | Dewi | cast: anyway a friend of mine just got "bandwidth exceeded" on that hosting company, although she's not on the plan they mention there |
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| 07:15.46 | xingu | brownie17: (telnet someborkenhost 80) |
| 07:16.02 | brownie17 | xingu, problem is fixed now. telnet worked though |
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| 07:16.23 | xingu | brownie17: if disabling ipv6 is "fixed", it's not fixed. |
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| 07:16.33 | cast | Dewi: i am quite confidence that you could never get your 2TB for 6$, maybe they give you an uncapped 33kbps upload...or some such, theres lots of tricks. |
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| 07:17.45 | Dewi | cast: yeah. Well here in Australia bandwidth is expensive. For example ADSL at it's very cheapest is about $USD1/GB |
| 07:18.00 | cast | Dewi: how could 6$ possibly pay for 200GB of disk space let alone the BW |
| 07:18.01 | xingu | brownie17: so to repeat; when you telnet somebrokenhost 80, does the telnet banner show Trying 1.0.0.0... ? |
| 07:19.00 | Dewi | cast: well, they can always get benefits from the fact that almost nobody would be using more than about 50MB. |
| 07:19.00 | MasterKong | can i choose what WM to start with startx? |
| 07:19.04 | Dewi | cast: oh :) |
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| 07:19.48 | brownie17 | xingu, no, disabling ipv6 allowed me to fix it, but then i re-enabled ipv6. i had to set up a new DNS through www.opendns.com |
| 07:20.21 | brownie17 | xingu, no it did not show trying 10.0.0.0. telnet worked fine. but webpages didn't, and apt-get didn't. now it does. |
| 07:20.34 | xingu | brownie17: what I'm getting at is that the dns in use before switching to opendns.com is probably handling aaaa rr-type queries brokenly. |
| 07:21.04 | xingu | brownie17: there's a relatively simple way to test for this - dig @olddns brokenhost aaaa |
| 07:21.34 | xingu | brownie17: this is a pretty common breakage in crappy all-in-one home gateways; common enough that... |
| 07:21.37 | xingu | !1.0.0.0 |
| 07:21.37 | dpkg | from memory, 1.0.0.0 is - your cheap and nasty gateway is probably buggy; this is typically the address a busted DNS proxy will issue in reply to an IPv6 name to address DNS query (AAAA query-type) |
| 07:21.40 | brownie17 | xingu, is there a simple way to fix it? is there a problem with the fix i have suppled? |
| 07:22.03 | xingu | brownie17: I'll get off your case when we work out exactly what is busted with your broken dns |
| 07:22.14 | brownie17 | xingu, lol okay. thanks for caring |
| 07:22.22 | xingu | brownie17: for that, please do the dig and pastebin the result; and yes, a less broken dns is the answer. |
| 07:22.25 | cast | Dewi: whats the name for that, overselling? they're overselling on a huge scale, i think that can be difficult to do. especially for 6$. if it turns out that they are reliable and you can get your 200GB of storage, and even only 250GB of bandwidth a month everyone would be jumping to take advantage of it, then overselling will fail them badly |
| 07:22.33 | helo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.39 | dondelelcaro | helo_: gnupg |
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| 07:22.51 | dondelelcaro | (unless you have a specific reasion to use v2) |
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| 07:23.10 | cast | helo_: gpg2 has gpgagent and handles smime, the former is useful |
| 07:23.12 | xingu | brownie17: nb "dig" is in dnsutils |
| 07:23.30 | Dewi | cast: yeah, I dunno. Well my friend's site is down, and she can't even get into cpanel to see what's going on, but they emailed her some stats |
| 07:23.38 | Dewi | cast: and apparently googlebot is the top visitor |
| 07:23.52 | cast | Dewi: personally i recommend linode :) |
| 07:23.55 | Dewi | cast: she isn't sure what limit she's hit or anything. Shrug :P |
| 07:24.12 | brownie17 | xingu, i'm not entirely sure i know how to do what you're asking. i'll pastebin what i tried though. |
| 07:24.39 | xingu | brownie17: dig, from dnsutils; dig @yourolddnsserver www.whatever.didn't.work aaaa |
| 07:24.53 | xingu | cast: there is a way that it can work; make the offer price elastic. |
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| 07:25.37 | xingu | cast: ie, airline seat booking model; first subscriber is $6, but the last subscriber is $large |
| 07:26.27 | cast | xingu: thats a good point |
| 07:26.32 | xingu | cast: underbooked bitpipes cost far more to operate than overbooked ones. |
| 07:26.54 | brownie17 | !pastebin |
| 07:26.54 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
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| 07:28.51 | MasterKong | hiya stoffepojken |
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| 07:29.01 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: pastebin =~ s/more than 3 lines here in/anything into/ |
| 07:29.02 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 07:29.18 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: pastebin =~ s/use instead/use a paste site instead, like/ |
| 07:29.18 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 07:29.40 | c`alin | !pastebin |
| 07:29.40 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel, use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
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| 07:30.58 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: pastebin =~ s/channel,/channel;/ |
| 07:30.58 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 07:31.06 | brownie17 | xingu, http://paste.lisp.org/display/45385 |
| 07:31.20 | xingu | cheers big ears |
| 07:31.41 | xingu | brownie17: your old dns server was set to 10.0.0.0 ? |
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| 07:32.05 | brownie17 | xingu, in resolv.conf it said nothing except 'nameserver 10.0.0.0' |
| 07:32.09 | xingu | aah |
| 07:32.23 | xingu | brownie17: I'm surprised telnet worked in that case. :) |
| 07:32.39 | brownie17 | xingu, umm. i'm no expert, but it said connected |
| 07:32.48 | brownie17 | xingu, i could just be being retarded, i've been known to do that |
| 07:33.25 | xingu | brownie17: what's the address of your gateway? (default route, from netstat -r will do) |
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| 07:34.23 | brownie17 | xingu, it says 'mygateway1.ar7' |
| 07:34.41 | xingu | brownie17: try the same dig, but @mygateway1.ar7 |
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| 07:35.56 | sjkwizard | hi |
| 07:36.13 | helo_ | i'm trying to send my key to a key server, but it isn't working... i specify the email address i used when generating the keypair, right? |
| 07:36.15 | brownie17 | xingu, says something completely different. but now i'm having trouble ith connecting to pastebin |
| 07:36.19 | helo_ | sorry, gpg here... |
| 07:36.44 | xingu | I mean there's broken, and then there's responding at the application layer to the HP broadcast address |
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| 07:37.09 | brownie17 | xingu, this means nothing to me lol |
| 07:37.21 | xingu | brownie17: you'll need to put your opendns servers back into resolv.conf more than likely. |
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| 07:38.19 | brownie17 | xingu, http://paste.lisp.org/display/45386 |
| 07:38.23 | xingu | brownie17: so to summarise; your pc is /probably/ learning its dns via dhcp from your dlink g604t or whatever (ie when it requests its dhcp lease); the dns being doled out is the /network/ address of your LAN, probably (10.0.0.0) |
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| 07:38.47 | xingu | brownie17: and, the device /responds/ to this network address; so please tell me that you haven't configured your gateway as ip address = 10.0.0.0 ? |
| 07:39.52 | brownie17 | xingu, possibly lol, i'm retarded i told you. how do i check if i have |
| 07:40.02 | xingu | brownie17: ok can you repeat that dig as "dig @10.1.1.1 l.google.com aaaa" ? |
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| 07:40.14 | xingu | brownie17: I assume it has a web based settings page? |
| 07:40.38 | xingu | brownie17: actually that should be "www.l.google.com aaaa" |
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| 07:41.32 | brownie17 | xingu, my router? yes. but it works fine for the other computers connected to it, without any of this crap. they are win32 |
| 07:41.45 | sjkwizard | hello, how can i connect to a wireless network? what sofware i need? |
| 07:41.48 | xingu | brownie17: just wait until you go vista... :) |
| 07:42.00 | xingu | brownie17: in any case, can I get www.l.google.com please. :) |
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| 07:42.07 | brownie17 | xingu, oh that's not gonna happen. i've heard it's 8x worse |
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| 07:42.22 | brownie17 | xingu, coming |
| 07:42.25 | xingu | brownie17: it certainly will be with this POS heading up your network :) |
| 07:42.43 | xingu | I can't wait until dlink *drown* in the support load |
| 07:43.11 | Hungmanmoojoo | anyone know how to change keymap in bash? |
| 07:43.16 | brownie17 | http://pastebin.ca/640256 |
| 07:43.46 | brownie17 | xingu, you don't like my router? |
| 07:43.55 | sep | Hungmanmoojoo, dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 07:44.03 | Shadur | Hungmanmoojoo: I think keymaps are a terminal setting, not a shell setting. Not criticising you, just trying to get the facts straight. |
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| 07:44.28 | sep | or just man loadkeys if you dont want a permanent change |
| 07:45.04 | tcsetattr | depends on what you mean by "keymap"; certainly the readline configuration could be called a keymap |
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| 07:46.42 | xingu | brownie17: you noticed? :) so the next thing to check is the web settings page for the router; your linux pc learnt that 10.0.0.0 resolver address from somewhere - and that's what has fubarred you. |
| 07:47.24 | Supaplex | fire the network admin! ;) |
| 07:47.27 | xingu | brownie17: your current solution will probably not be permanent; it will probably be overwritten every time the pc re-requests a new dhcp lease; it might be useful to look at one of your windows systems, in ipconfig /all, to see what *they* have as DNS server addresses |
| 07:47.35 | brownie17 | so if i chane that in resolv.conf to 10.1.1.1 it'll work> |
| 07:48.00 | xingu | brownie17: probably, it's worth an experiment; you don't seem to have any aaaa-record bustage there that I can see |
| 07:48.51 | xingu | brownie17: nb, it might be worth looking in /etc/network/interfaces for "dns-nameservers" lines too |
| 07:48.55 | brownie17 | xingu, if ou don't mind i might leave it as the opendns.com ones |
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| 07:49.39 | m_pahlevanzadeh | i have question on LTSP |
| 07:49.56 | xingu | brownie17: I don't mind at all; however I'd suggest looking at your gateway's WAN settings and using the ones it is learning from your ISP instead... |
| 07:50.01 | Penix | m_pahlevanzadeh: #ltsp |
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| 07:50.37 | brownie17 | xingu, so my dns server will be reset everytime i get a new dhcp lease, but if i set up a static IP then it'll keep working forever and ever and ever and ever? |
| 07:51.13 | xingu | brownie17: just remember that your system will be doing a dns lookup every time it tries to resolve a hostname; and the round-trip-delay between you and your nameserver will impact apparent responsiveness, particularly for typical browsing workload |
| 07:51.33 | xingu | brownie17: that's my guess yes; to check this, look and see what windows is learning from the same gateway |
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| 07:51.52 | xingu | brownie17: if it's 10.1.1.1 - then your linux config is mangled somehow; if they're also learning 10.0.0.0 - it's the gateway. |
| 07:52.04 | brownie17 | xingu. good point. so to find out what the win32 computer i'm currently on is using as a DNS, i would do what? |
| 07:52.10 | xingu | brownie17: ipconfig /all |
| 07:52.18 | xingu | brownie17: from cmd window |
| 07:52.22 | brownie17 | that didn't work. |
| 07:52.28 | brownie17 | oh on windows machince? |
| 07:52.30 | brownie17 | oh oka |
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| 07:53.16 | brownie17 | dns server 10.1.1.1 |
| 07:53.30 | brownie17 | so this should work for me if i put that in the linux machine? |
| 07:53.36 | xingu | brownie17: try; but yes. |
| 07:53.51 | xingu | brownie17: and check /etc/network/interfaces to see if it's broken in there too |
| 07:53.54 | brownie17 | xingu, i have noticed twie that the resolv.conf has reset itself |
| 07:54.20 | brownie17 | 10.1.1.1 does not work |
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| 07:54.54 | xingu | brownie17: it does as far as dig's concerned ;) |
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| 07:55.14 | xingu | brownie17: using 10.1.1.1, try "telnet www.google.com 80" |
| 07:55.22 | xingu | brownie17: and tell me what IP address it is "Trying ..." |
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| 07:57.27 | brownie17 | xingu. oh god now it won't even work with the opendns in the resolv.conf |
| 07:58.26 | brownie17 | pastebin.ca/640262 |
| 08:00.12 | xingu | brownie17: leave it on 10.1.1.1; you're probably fighting against a udp NAT timeout too, for src=yourhost dstport=53 |
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| 08:00.17 | c`alin | huh, looks like brownie didn't kill himself after all, a bit anticlimactic if you ask me |
| 08:00.52 | xingu | brownie17: ie, leave it on 10.1.1.1 and retry every minute or so for 5min or so. |
| 08:01.10 | brownie17 | alright, now it's working on 10.1.1.1 |
| 08:01.16 | xingu | tada |
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| 08:01.27 | brownie17 | xingu, so i need to set up a static ip right now? |
| 08:01.40 | xingu | dlink, repeat after me - do not keep state in transport |
| 08:01.48 | guillaume-fr | Hello, I've these backtrace with my apache server, can someone help me to understand what's wrong with it : http://pastebin.com/d6259b04 |
| 08:01.51 | xingu | they don't call them de-links for nothing |
| 08:02.17 | brownie17 | xingu, lulwut? |
| 08:02.21 | xingu | brownie17: that's one possibility; another is working out why dhcp is being auto-clever enough to turn "10.1.1.1" in the lease into 10.0.0.0 |
| 08:02.45 | xingu | brownie17: a third possibility is to add; dns-nameservers 10.1.1.1 |
| 08:02.47 | brownie17 | xingu, also, subnet mask as 255.0.0.0 and gateway address to 10.1.1.1? |
| 08:03.01 | xingu | brownie17: ... indented, below "iface eth0 inet dhcp" |
| 08:03.32 | xingu | brownie17: "probably" - check that mask vs what the windows box has. |
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| 08:05.05 | brownie17 | godddamn it. now it's not working on 10.1.1.1 |
| 08:05.08 | brownie17 | why am i doomed? |
| 08:05.30 | xingu | brownie17: are there two systems on your LAN with the same IP address (of 10.1.1.1) ? :) |
| 08:06.24 | xingu | brownie17: leave configured as 10.1.1.1; the next time it works, check arp -an | grep 10.1.1.1 |
| 08:06.29 | brownie17 | xingu, nope. also, it's not working on opendns.com ones either. is it possible that thing with the iface eth0 ined dhcp that i just did has borked it in some way? |
| 08:06.32 | xingu | brownie17: then, again the next time it fails. |
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| 08:07.29 | xingu | brownie17: it's unlikely, but you can check by looking at the interface with ifconfig eth0 ; it should be UP RUNNING and have an ip address. |
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| 08:08.26 | brownie17 | yess it is up running |
| 08:08.43 | xingu | brownie17: and it has an IP address? |
| 08:09.21 | xingu | brownie17: ie inet addr: ip.ad.dr.es |
| 08:09.37 | brownie17 | yes |
| 08:09.54 | xingu | brownie17: good-o; check resolv.conf see what's in there. |
| 08:10.10 | xingu | brownie17: then, look for 10.1.1.1 changing its hw addr in arp -an output. |
| 08:10.23 | xingu | brownie17: if it does, you have 2x systems on the same LAN configured as 10.1.1.1 |
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| 08:11.22 | xingu | brownie17: nb it would also break if 2x systems on the same LAN had your linux system's ip address. |
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| 08:13.17 | brownie17 | http://pastebin.ca/640279 |
| 08:14.16 | brownie17 | http://pastebin.ca/640281 |
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| 08:15.39 | tcsetattr | you could use arp -d 10.1.1.1 and then ping it and then list it again to give it a chance to find the "other" 10.1.1.1, if there is one. |
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| 08:16.32 | brownie17 | xingu, i gotta go. i'll be back in a couple of hours or something. this is really frustratin me. i just want a solution that i don't have to to fix every two minutes |
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| 08:25.42 | brownie17 | ii'm back |
| 08:25.53 | brownie17 | xingu, and revelations while i was gone? |
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| 08:26.24 | brownie17 | xingu, the most annoing this is tat i was in the middle of a download and it stopped and didn't start aain |
| 08:27.36 | brownie17 | xingu, do i even need ipv6? |
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| 08:29.02 | basse | hi you know if there is some change going on in Unstable with Strigi? i tried upgrading it, and it wants to remove 300 megs of -dev packages.. alon with some important programs.. |
| 08:29.40 | xingu | brownie17: I don't think removing ipv6 is going to fix your problem; the fact that the symptom is coming and going looks and smells like a duplicate address assignment |
| 08:29.40 | liable | using aptitude? |
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| 08:29.50 | tralala | how can I find out what's accessing my disk every second? |
| 08:29.58 | brownie17 | xingu, actually i might have fixed the resetting problem |
| 08:30.00 | brownie17 | with this |
| 08:30.23 | brownie17 | www.opendns.com/start/unix.php |
| 08:30.45 | basse | liable: me? no.. just apt-get |
| 08:30.58 | xingu | brownie17: the "prepend" line? |
| 08:31.18 | brownie17 | xingu, yes |
| 08:31.20 | liable | basse: strange |
| 08:32.18 | liable | tralala: i cant remember for sure, but there was a little c source file in what i think was ibm-acpi or similar that used to do a great job of that |
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| 08:32.34 | brownie17 | xingu, bloody annoying about the download getting lost. oh well, it's only 3 hours |
| 08:32.39 | tcsetattr | tralala, tail -f /var/log/{auth,mail,daemon}.log for starters |
| 08:32.42 | xingu | brownie17: does resolv.conf now have 3x entries, including 10.0.0.0 ? |
| 08:33.09 | basse | liable: yep. something to do with strigi and qt4 dev packages i think.. i'm so used to them just working i haven't much needed to learn how to fix things ;) |
| 08:34.06 | brownie17 | xingu, three, but last is 10.1.1.1 not 10.0.0.0 |
| 08:34.23 | liable | tralala: i have founf the biggest thing is mounting with noatime |
| 08:34.32 | brownie17 | xingu, okay going to go have some tea now. cya |
| 08:34.37 | anapivirtua | Pom Pom Pom |
| 08:34.43 | brownie17 | xingu, thanks so much for your help. |
| 08:34.44 | xingu | brownie17: fair do; but I think your problem is going to come back. :) |
| 08:35.04 | brownie17 | xingu. oh i really hope not. bu when it does i'll come back here |
| 08:35.09 | brownie17 | will you be here? |
| 08:35.12 | xingu | brownie17: because 10.1.1.1<->your pc is /intermittantly/ failing and I don't think this is an application layer issue - it's a network layer one. |
| 08:35.15 | xingu | brownie17: maybe. :) |
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| 08:36.10 | brownie17 | okay bye |
| 08:36.20 | tralala | tcsetattr, it's not in the logs |
| 08:36.27 | tralala | liable, you mean as a cure? |
| 08:36.42 | liable | yeah |
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| 08:37.51 | amar | how to enable userdir on apache 2 ? |
| 08:38.34 | tralala | liable, I'm trying to figure out what files are being accessed and why |
| 08:38.35 | xingu | tralala: might I suggest laptop-mode-tools? |
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| 08:39.44 | tralala | xingu, excellent suggestion, thanks! |
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| 08:42.19 | microtux | hi |
| 08:42.30 | microtux | i'm running debian sarge+gnome |
| 08:42.31 | xingu | tralala: nb http://www.samwel.tk/laptop_mode/faq:5. Spinup Debugging |
| 08:42.31 | microtux | i want to customize default affectation between file types and applications |
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| 08:43.08 | microtux | how to do? |
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| 08:44.59 | xingu | tralala: I'm not sure what your goal is; but what I will say is that repositioning is the expensive bit - so aiming for spinning, but idle is a reasonable goal; spindown in the notebook drive sense usually involves park, and there's usually a rated mtbf for that (Load_Cycle_Count in smartctl -a) |
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| 08:45.28 | sigp239 | When I boot using the debian CD and hit ALT+F2 to get the console, and type "mount /dev/sda1" I get an error: Can't find /dev/sda1. I'm trying to install grub. |
| 08:45.47 | xingu | tralala: pretty sure the laptop-mode guys have also done a study to show breakeven in power terms between spinup/spindown and idle spinning |
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| 08:47.22 | sigp239 | Does anyone know how I can install GRUB after I installed Windows onto another partition on my hard drive? |
| 08:48.06 | lightning | sigp239: i think you have to use a bootloader |
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| 08:48.21 | sigp239 | lightning: a bootloader? |
| 08:48.25 | lightning | sigp239: bootmagic i think is a good one |
| 08:48.37 | liable | erm, grub is a good one.. |
| 08:48.38 | tralala | xingu, thanks a lot, let me read a bit |
| 08:48.43 | lightning | sigp239: yeah i believe it partitions the disks and creates it's own mbr |
| 08:48.49 | tralala | sigp239, from a live cd |
| 08:48.50 | vin` | sigp239: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 08:48.56 | sigp239 | lightning: I was told the other day that I should just be able to boot from the debian CD, hit ALT+F2 to get a console, mount /dev/sda1, chroot, and then grub install. |
| 08:49.12 | lightning | yeah i would try that, i was just stating all i know about it |
| 08:49.14 | liable | the etch installer has a rescue option |
| 08:49.48 | sigp239 | I tried that but when I type mount /dev/sda1 (the location of my debian install), it says Error: Can't locate /dev/sda1 |
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| 08:50.27 | liable | you need to actually mount it somewhere |
| 08:50.27 | azeem | the etch installer might still use devfs internally |
| 08:50.42 | sigp239 | hm |
| 08:50.49 | sigp239 | so how do I do this? |
| 08:51.04 | sigp239 | I need to reinstall grub so I can access my debian installation |
| 08:51.09 | sigp239 | and then setup dual boot. |
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| 08:51.15 | liable | it has an option at the bottom of the menu for rescue |
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| 08:51.46 | lightning | has anyone figured out a way to disable tooltips in gtk apps? |
| 08:52.02 | cast | twitch, alot |
| 08:52.31 | sigp239 | liable: ok i will try the rescue mode right now |
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| 08:55.46 | Ardi | hi to all ... i have 2 questions ... which is beatter LILO or GRUB and which one is able to configure the background to make it more dissent |
| 08:55.58 | xand | what's "dissent"? |
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| 08:56.09 | xand | lilo is deprecated really, use grub |
| 08:56.10 | aidan | I've got a file, encoded as a mail attachement in base64, is there a good way to decode it? |
| 08:57.01 | Ardi | xand, like better looking and use different jpg or bmp file |
| 08:57.36 | lightning | how does one disable the email notification in tty? |
| 08:58.00 | cast | grub is better than lilo |
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| 08:59.40 | xingu | aidan: uudeview |
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| 09:00.56 | sigp239 | ok the rescue mode worked. there was an option to reinstall grub. i'm back in linux now. |
| 09:00.58 | sigp239 | thanks |
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| 09:03.01 | harpal | I have compiled kernel 2.6.18.1 and I have selected appropriate driver for my hardware. but when I boot from kernel 2.6.18.1 then it gives me |
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| 09:03.05 | harpal | disagree about kernel version struct_module |
| 09:03.14 | harpal | and doesnt load that modules |
| 09:03.21 | harpal | then whats problem? |
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| 09:03.56 | blackest | hi I just got a buffalo whr-g54s router and was wondering if anyone has an opinion about which firmware to put on it? dd-wrt tomato somethingelse ? |
| 09:04.27 | sigp239 | how do I say /dev/sda4 in grub? (hd0,3) ? |
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| 09:10.47 | sts | hello folks. |
| 09:11.21 | sts | i'm trying to install apache2 with suexec enabled on etch. does anybody know whats the default document root set in the suexec.h? |
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| 09:12.28 | Supaplex | sts: /var/www |
| 09:12.40 | Supaplex | sts: in debian anyway. |
| 09:13.30 | Supaplex | sts: sudo /usr/lib/apache2/suexec -V |
| 09:13.50 | sts | arr. thanks Supaplex. |
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| 09:15.22 | TheInfinity_ | hello ... does anybody know why cupsaddsmb does not ask for a pw here? :) |
| 09:15.35 | TheInfinity_ | root account is active in smb conf |
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| 09:15.48 | TheInfinity_ | and password is set |
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| 09:18.28 | snxjoe | how can i get postfix mail.info file rotated daily instead of weekly (syslogd-listfiles -w)? |
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| 09:21.30 | ktwilight_ | what's the package that configures locale? |
| 09:21.36 | sts | where are the header files for apache2.2 so i can compile suexec? |
| 09:21.41 | tonima | ktwilight_: locales :p |
| 09:21.44 | ktwilight_ | :/ |
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| 09:21.55 | ktwilight_ | i missed the "s" :( |
| 09:21.56 | ktwilight_ | thanks tonima |
| 09:22.03 | simonrvn | sts: apache2-*-dev |
| 09:22.18 | sts | thanks |
| 09:22.51 | simonrvn | do apt-cache search --names-only 'apache2-*-dev' to find them |
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| 09:23.07 | simonrvn | or dpkg -l 'apache2-*-dev' |
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| 09:23.27 | simonrvn | there's a prefork and another one |
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| 09:25.36 | sts | simonrvn: apache2-threaded-dev? but i'm using apache2-mpm-worker... is this still the right headers? |
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| 09:27.17 | jelly-home | sts: (guessing) since mpm is a threaded worker, and that package description says it's for threaded versions of apache2, I'd say it's the correct one |
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| 09:28.17 | sigp239 | Hi I need some help setting up my menu.1st to dual boot with Windows XP please |
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| 09:29.18 | microtux | hi everybody |
| 09:29.28 | metellius | does anyone know if (when using apt's source mechanism) there is a way to compile just kwin and generating the corresponding deb without having to compile the whole kdebase tree? |
| 09:29.30 | microtux | who tried latex on debian? |
| 09:30.01 | cast | microtux: LaTeX, yes |
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| 09:30.50 | microtux | cast, so, i need your help |
| 09:31.00 | cast | aptitude install tetex-bin |
| 09:31.07 | cast | </help> :D |
| 09:31.13 | microtux | cast, i installed kile(apt-get install) |
| 09:31.26 | microtux | cast, and some fonts must be compiled |
| 09:31.35 | microtux | cast, from tex --> dvi |
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| 09:31.51 | microtux | hwo to do this |
| 09:31.52 | cast | nfi. i use pdflatex or latex, never used kile |
| 09:32.14 | sigp239 | When I select 'Windows XP' from the grub menu, I get an error: root (hd0,4) Error 22: No such partition. |
| 09:32.34 | cast | sigp239: so is 4 the right partition? |
| 09:32.52 | sigp239 | Does anyone know why? According to the disks application, my windows install is on /dev/sda3 |
| 09:33.01 | cast | so it should be hd0,2 |
| 09:33.09 | sigp239 | oh |
| 09:33.10 | sigp239 | ok thanks |
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| 09:33.34 | metellius | i almost find it insulting that about 9/10 of all questions are about how to get windows working after installing debian :-/ |
| 09:33.37 | sigp239 | gonna reboot adn try that |
| 09:33.48 | microtux | cast, i added some fonts; how to compile it? |
| 09:34.04 | sigp239 | metellius: My wife insisted that I install XP because my webcam doesn't work under linux as of yet. |
| 09:34.27 | sigp239 | and she wants to communicate via webcam with me so I had to comply with her wishes. |
| 09:34.39 | metellius | sigp239: I'm not blaming you for wanting windows :) |
| 09:35.05 | sigp239 | cast: thanks |
| 09:35.23 | cast | is the webcam supported though? |
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| 09:35.26 | sigp239 | I'm in south korea for 1 year and she is in California so |
| 09:36.00 | sigp239 | cast: yea I got it working by installing some sid packages, and I had to download the latest trunk of the uvcvideo driver and compile it. I finally got it working on ekiga. |
| 09:36.17 | cast | ahh. |
| 09:36.27 | sigp239 | but she is using vista and she tried to install ekiga and it froze up during setup |
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| 09:36.43 | microtux | cast, don't worry, "man texfont" |
| 09:37.19 | sigp239 | so i had to settle for yahoo messenger on Windows |
| 09:37.35 | Ardi | is there a package for debian to create gfxmenu's for grub ? |
| 09:37.57 | tralala | xingu, I think it's xfs that's doing all this disk activities |
| 09:38.00 | cast | uh |
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| 09:39.12 | cast | hmm, rather than use windows due to a piece of hardware ill sooner replace the hardware, but each to their own |
| 09:39.26 | xingu | tralala: I don't know enough about xfs to comment; seems plausible though. |
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| 09:40.11 | Ronin | cast: not everyone has that option |
| 09:40.42 | sigp239 | I got this 130 dollar "ultra vision" webcam. It works really well....in Windows. |
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| 09:41.10 | liable | what are gfxmenus's? |
| 09:41.22 | cast | Ronin: example? |
| 09:41.28 | Ardi | no package found with that name :( |
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| 09:42.24 | Ronin | cast: wife, gf, bf, husband wants/needs something on the home computer for example and it only works on windows, guess what you get to run :) |
| 09:43.17 | Ronin | and i wont even talk about work heh |
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| 09:43.38 | tralala | xingu, anyhow the laptop tools and the link you gave me were very useful, thank you. |
| 09:43.50 | cast | yes, work is a bitch. and why i didn't take an IT degree :\. |
| 09:44.13 | elshize | does anyone konow why this situation might occur?: i compiled the new version of kernel and debian works when terminal opens, but it hangs when i launch xorg (kde or kdm - the same situation). In Xorg logfile the last line is "(**) RADEON(0): Map Changed ! Applying ..." |
| 09:46.07 | xingu | tralala: :) I was an early tester of the kernel patch; there's a side benefit that nobody goes into much (because the users of it are mostly high horsepower types); the /benefit/ of reducing IO is far greater on a system with a slow hdd... stretching the timers the way laptop-mode does means that pages that are being re-dirtied are committed rarely if ever. |
| 09:46.15 | xingu | tralala: and guess what happens when memory gets tight... |
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| 09:47.31 | ktwilight_ | where is locale stored? |
| 09:47.59 | ktwilight_ | i have modified /etc/locale.gen and ran locale-gen but changes aren't reflected when i type locale |
| 09:48.17 | tcsetattr | check your environment variables |
| 09:48.27 | ktwilight_ | meanin'? |
| 09:48.33 | superstition | how to configure pure-ftpd start option with init.d start-stop-daemon |
| 09:48.35 | tralala | xingu, fs corruption? |
| 09:48.53 | xingu | tralala: my AC is reliable and I run my workstation off mains |
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| 09:49.30 | xingu | tralala: the reason I used a notebook is to reduce cable clutter - you can get away without a separate room/desk at home |
| 09:49.40 | xingu | tralala: space in central london is expensive. :) |
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| 09:49.56 | Ardi | how to change grub from text only to GUI |
| 09:50.52 | Penix | !cluebat Ardi |
| 09:51.09 | tralala | xingu, my desktop at home serves as all-in-one device so it deserves a desk :) I'm still trying to figure out how to make it do the laundry though... |
| 09:51.27 | xingu | tralala: I have a wife for that ;) |
| 09:51.47 | tralala | hehe |
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| 09:56.55 | Penix | yay for cheap processors |
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| 09:57.45 | Penix | can't wait to get my shiny new Athlon 64. 65W 4000+ with the 2x1MB cache for AUD100. mmmm |
| 09:58.06 | liable | aud? |
| 09:58.09 | cast | with AMD-V |
| 09:58.23 | Penix | liable: australian $$$ |
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| 09:59.28 | liable | Penix: your au? |
| 09:59.31 | Penix | liable: yes |
| 09:59.49 | cast | Penix does not own au :\ |
| 09:59.52 | Penix | liable: where did you think I was from? |
| 10:00.03 | liable | Penix: i assumed .us |
| 10:00.50 | jelly-home | cast: maybe he owns some Au |
| 10:00.52 | liable | mostly i think due to when you appear on irc |
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| 10:02.17 | Penix | jelly-home: automatically with the right cpufreq governer and all that jazz? |
| 10:02.22 | jelly-home | Penix: yah |
| 10:02.25 | Penix | nice |
| 10:02.47 | jelly-home | Penix: modprobe powernow-k8, cpufreq_ondemand, and forget about it |
| 10:02.56 | Penix | only cpufreq experience I have is XScale related. will be nice to have some desktop action |
| 10:03.27 | Penix | trying to cut back on the electricity usage |
| 10:03.39 | Penix | not that I like Al Gore or anything. it's purely for selfish reasons ($$$) |
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| 10:04.45 | jelly-home | I'll be trying to do suspend and wake-up-on-lan on that machine next |
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| 10:05.04 | Penix | jelly-home: you're very brave ;) |
| 10:06.16 | jelly-home | Penix: it idles most of the time, but sometimes I want to access it remotely; WOL would be ideal if it worked. |
| 10:06.46 | xingu | jelly, Penix: nb http://forge.novell.com/pipermail/powersave-devel/2006-June/000589.html <-- cpufreq still(!) has subtle locking issues. |
| 10:08.01 | Penix | heh |
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| 10:08.58 | jelly-home | I don't like hal much either, but it seems the correct place to do some stuff |
| 10:09.00 | cast | reminds me of my WOL issue, if you have an nforce2 itll only WOL if you reverse the MAC [linux has a bug where it writes it back to the nic assbackwards] |
| 10:09.10 | xingu | jelly: just wait until you have a workload that cases sawtoothing between frequencies at a few million Hz |
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| 10:10.55 | jelly-home | xingu: hm, I wonder if it'll show in the cpufreq applet ;-) |
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| 10:11.12 | xingu | jelly: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0608.3/0088.html <-- specific complaint, there's others. |
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| 10:13.40 | jelly-home | xingu: it's not very nice. I guess it's a good thing I use kernels from this year, now, and not distro's 2.6.18. |
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| 10:15.30 | xingu | jelly: http://www.linuxpowertop.org/patches/ondemand-fix.patch <-- this year you say? |
| 10:15.33 | jelly-home | xingu: that specific issue deals with changing governors though, I don't do that |
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| 10:16.37 | rapha | Hi all |
| 10:16.56 | rapha | How do I tell Debian that it should be in another timezone? It keeps showing GMT... |
| 10:17.14 | jelly-home | xingu: ... and I don't have cpufreq_userspace compiled in. Lucky so far. But I see your point. |
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| 10:17.27 | xingu | jelly-home: keep going, there's more patches on that same link |
| 10:17.42 | xingu | jelly-home: :) |
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| 10:18.23 | themill | rapha: tzconfig |
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| 10:18.32 | jelly-home | xingu: I know, I've even used those force_hpet nasties in a vain effort to squeeze more minutes out of my stinkpad battery |
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| 10:19.45 | danf_1979 | Hi, Im trying to find out how many packages are not installed but their config files in the system... |
| 10:19.49 | danf_1979 | # aptitude search "^a" | grep "^[c]" |
| 10:19.49 | danf_1979 | c akregator - RSS feed aggregator for KDE |
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| 10:20.06 | xingu | jelly-home: tickless should be good for you |
| 10:20.09 | rapha | thx themill |
| 10:20.18 | danf_1979 | is there any better way? |
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| 10:20.45 | xingu | jelly-home: pretty sure NO_HZ is merged in 2.6.22 |
| 10:21.03 | jelly-home | xingu: I have it. The general conclusion I was "never buy a Celeron M machine again, go for the real thing" |
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| 10:21.41 | liable | in a laptop? |
| 10:21.46 | jelly-home | liable: yes. |
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| 10:23.09 | jelly-home | liable: even though it has Celeron in its name, the CPU isn't that bad in itself, but the power management features are seriously crippled compared to same generation Pentium M |
| 10:23.16 | xingu | jelly-home: how much time does it spend in C1 state? the powertop.org guys are working on stuff like that. |
| 10:23.29 | jelly-home | xingu: none! |
| 10:23.32 | xingu | jelly-home: powertop patch will let you meter what's sucking your bloood |
| 10:23.49 | jelly-home | xingu: it's either C0 or C2 and C3. |
| 10:23.51 | liable | jelly-home: oh, you said 'celeron m' and i read pentium m |
| 10:24.03 | liable | i didnt even know there was a celeron m |
| 10:24.14 | cydork | danf_1979: run aptitude search '~c' |
| 10:24.24 | xingu | jelly-home: err linuxpowertop.org sorry. |
| 10:24.34 | jelly-home | liable: it's a P-M, half L2 cache, crippled Speedstep |
| 10:24.54 | jelly-home | liable: half the price, too |
| 10:25.04 | xingu | half the cost and worth it! |
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| 10:25.12 | jelly-home | xingu: Yeah, that how I know about the C states |
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| 10:25.34 | xingu | jelly-home: if you're bored build yourself a powertop kernel and take a squizz |
| 10:27.09 | danf_1979 | thanks cydork :) |
| 10:27.26 | liable | powertop didnt do much for me |
| 10:27.30 | xingu | The kernels ondemand CPU frequency management function currently has a high-frequency timer that samples to see if the CPU is idle. |
| 10:27.33 | xingu | LOL |
| 10:27.40 | liable | my battery still drains like a sieve |
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| 10:27.53 | jelly-home | xingu: tried that with 2.6.21 + no_hz + force_hpet + whatever else was there at the time. Got to staying in C3 for 8-9ms. After I took a look at powertop screenshot showing someone's CPU sleeping for ~100ms, hands were thrown up in the air |
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| 10:28.07 | liable | ondemand is deprecated or soon to be anyway i think |
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| 10:28.23 | xingu | liable: powertop is more about metering than curing though |
| 10:29.13 | xingu | liable: oddly enough I was looking for a cite for exactly that when I tripped across that last link |
| 10:29.26 | liable | i changed a couple o things, didnt make much difference, but that was when it first came out, must try it again |
| 10:30.03 | liable | xingu: lwn had something about it lately iirc |
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| 10:30.49 | xingu | liable: my short-term memory ring buffer seems to get regularly overrun when it comes to lkml traffic these days |
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| 10:31.29 | liable | xingu: i have never read lkml, *way* too much traffic, lwn is a good source for summaries imo |
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| 10:32.25 | xingu | liable: first three pages of marc.info/?l=linux-kernel is a reasonable proxy I find |
| 10:32.32 | MoDaX | liable: what's is wrong with 'ondemand'? |
| 10:32.34 | xingu | liable: hot stuff tends to stick at the top |
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| 10:32.45 | Zap-W | anyone know any jabber client that works with kerberos |
| 10:32.53 | xingu | MoDaX: it's redundant; overlaps with conservative |
| 10:33.05 | liable | MoDaX: nothing, i use it myself (or conservative) but its soon to be removed |
| 10:34.04 | jtmoney | anyone know of the name of the program for installing debian to a virtual disk of sorts that can be booted using the windows boot.ini file? i know there's one for ubuntu called wubi |
| 10:34.23 | jelly-home | wasn't ondemand faster, allowing jumping to whatever freq, while conservative only made incremental steps? |
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| 10:34.55 | liable | yes iirc, conservative steps, whereas ondemand is more on/off iirc |
| 10:34.57 | jtmoney | oh, it's goodbye-microsoft.com |
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| 10:35.23 | liable | remove the redundant iirc at your leisure |
| 10:35.45 | jelly-home | jtmoney: er, no, goobye-microsoft will just get you to the normal installer. I don't think it's virtual in any way |
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| 10:36.00 | xingu | jelly-home: both use heuristical smoothing for the target; allow the heuristic to be tunable, bye bye ondemand. |
| 10:36.34 | arnekaiser | hallo i have a question about reinstalling debian |
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| 10:37.10 | Knight_Lord | What's the default rsize and wsize for nfs mounts? |
| 10:37.26 | MoDaX | liable, xingu: I didn't know about conservative at all :) heh |
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| 10:38.00 | jelly-home | Knight_Lord: I think 4096 but I could be wrong |
| 10:38.01 | arnekaiser | when I try to install the base system from the installer i have to enter the partition disk menu, but i dont want partition the disk because there are some data on one pattion |
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| 10:38.26 | xingu | jelly-home: in fact the diff between cpufreq_ondemand.c and cpufreq_conservative.c makes the former look unmaintained. :) |
| 10:38.28 | arnekaiser | how can I skip that? |
| 10:39.08 | jelly-home | xingu: I only look at kernel code when patches fail to apply O:-) |
| 10:39.10 | xingu | jelly-home: ... and if you were wondering, the heuristic (threshold for steps) can already be tuned in conservative |
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| 10:43.12 | themill | arnekaiser: if you choose manual partitioning rather than guided, you can tell it to not to format partitions and you can even have them mounted in the right place for you at the end. |
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| 10:45.54 | arnekaiser | themill, ok so the partiozion which contain data are not changed than, thats all what i want to know, i have a backup bat the amount of data is huge and restoring them would be quite timeconsuming |
| 10:46.56 | themill | arnekaiser: that's right, you can have the installer not touch a partition at all and the data is still there. In the summary screen for the partitions it will have F for format or K for keep-data |
| 10:47.29 | themill | arnekaiser: it will also ask for confirmation of formatting the partitions and will have a list of partitions that it plans to do something to. |
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| 10:53.00 | arnekaiser | themill: thanks that makes press enter a bit easier ;-) |
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| 11:11.18 | xingu | jelly-home: actually it may be that conservative is ultimately deprecated; ondemand doesn't just boost to the right level straight away - it also drops to idle quickly too. |
| 11:11.19 | xerophyte | hi |
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| 11:11.53 | xingu | jelly-home: the nearest thing to a cite I can find is someone talking about discussions @ OLS about adding a conservative personality to ondemand |
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| 11:17.36 | jelly-home | xingu: eh, I'll know about it when it hits Linus' tree |
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| 11:18.17 | rapha | what package is the normal UNIX `mail` command in? |
| 11:18.31 | azeem | rapha: packages.debian.org has a search interface at the bottom |
| 11:18.44 | xand | I doubt that will be all that useful |
| 11:18.49 | rapha | I also know how to search with aptitude, but it's a bit general |
| 11:18.50 | azeem | xand: I don't |
| 11:18.57 | xand | "mail" is too generic |
| 11:19.00 | azeem | rapha: no, it searches for files |
| 11:19.00 | rapha | yes |
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| 11:19.04 | rapha | oh okay |
| 11:19.10 | azeem | "at the bottom" |
| 11:19.17 | Mole | did anything special happen to sid yesterday? im getting segmentation fault from aterm and xmms :( |
| 11:19.22 | xand | package is mailx anyway |
| 11:19.27 | rapha | heh |
| 11:19.29 | rapha | no results |
| 11:19.36 | rapha | thanks xand |
| 11:19.51 | abrotman | apt-file is useful too |
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| 11:21.04 | liable | oh, its not ondemand, its speedstep centrino being removed |
| 11:21.13 | metbsd | is there software that checks if a machine is alive? |
| 11:21.24 | metbsd | if a machine died, send mail to someone |
| 11:21.30 | rapha | ping? |
| 11:21.36 | liable | ineteresting idea |
| 11:21.45 | xingu | liable: yeah but one of ondemand/conservative is *also* going |
| 11:22.05 | abrotman | metbsd: yes .. can't recall the name though |
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| 11:22.23 | liable | xingu: i think ondemand but i canny find where i seen it |
| 11:22.24 | xingu | liable: and that was the cite I was searching for when you mentioned it; but yes, speedstep is dead >2.6.21, use acpi-cpufreq |
| 11:22.32 | sep | metbsd, lots and lots of software. nagios, smokeping, ping + mail + script |
| 11:22.44 | metbsd | i want best of the best |
| 11:22.49 | efaistos | deos someone use screen ? |
| 11:22.53 | sep | metbsd, nagios, |
| 11:22.58 | efaistos | i'm trying to use some bindings that i use under linux but not working under solaris |
| 11:23.04 | efaistos | basically this works under linux but not on solaris bindkey -k k5 prev bindkey -k k6 next bindkey -k k7 title bindkey -k k8 screen |
| 11:23.13 | efaistos | any clue ? |
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| 11:25.06 | liable | ask the solaris guys |
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| 11:26.31 | norc | Failed to link simple program. |
| 11:26.34 | norc | Make sure your LD (usually same as CC) and LDFLAGS are sane. |
| 11:26.41 | norc | I didn't even set any LD or LDFLAGS |
| 11:26.51 | abrotman | you did! |
| 11:27.03 | norc | abrotman: my fingers certainly didnt |
| 11:27.34 | norc | abrotman: I installed a fresh debian about.. 15 minutes ago. I would remember that. :) |
| 11:27.55 | abrotman | did you install build-essential ? |
| 11:28.07 | norc | apparently not! |
| 11:28.09 | norc | thanks :) |
| 11:28.16 | norc | Didn't know that there was actually such a package |
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| 11:29.09 | norc | abrotman: that did the trick :) |
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| 11:31.06 | unknow990 | Hello Guys |
| 11:31.18 | unknow990 | is there any program to remote control linux from windows ? |
| 11:31.30 | norc | unknow990: putty |
| 11:31.49 | unknow990 | but thats only text based. |
| 11:31.49 | norc | unknow990: just make sure your linux box has an sshd running |
| 11:32.02 | norc | unknow990: use vnc then |
| 11:32.19 | mavhk | or an x11 server |
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| 11:32.57 | abrotman | liable: there's no RPD daemon in linux |
| 11:33.05 | abrotman | that i know of anyways |
| 11:33.09 | abrotman | RDP .. stupid fingers |
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| 11:33.19 | Kevin` | there is an rdp server for linux |
| 11:33.21 | abrotman | !punish abrotman's fingers |
| 11:33.25 | unknow990 | can anybody help me to make relay to my Debian Machine from Exchange server |
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| 11:34.08 | liable | abrotman: really? no rdp server? i thought there was, but i dont trust my brain anymore |
| 11:34.18 | abrotman | Kevin` says there is |
| 11:34.20 | abrotman | io |
| 11:34.23 | abrotman | i've never seen it |
| 11:35.08 | xingu | jelly-home: fyi 2.6.22.1/x86_64 - 500-900 wakups/s, 1.9ms/86% in c3 |
| 11:35.18 | Kevin` | http://xrdp.sourceforge.net/ |
| 11:35.24 | Kevin` | but really, all you need is ssh.. |
| 11:35.24 | xingu | jelly-home: NO_HZ for x86_64 I recollect is 2.6.23 material |
| 11:35.28 | liable | not easily found in a search anyway |
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| 11:36.02 | mavhc | Kevin`: one question springs to mind: why? |
| 11:36.10 | xingu | jelly-home: at least it's in c3 I guess; pity it comes out of it so often though. :) |
| 11:36.21 | liable | one answer springs to mind, why not? |
| 11:36.24 | liable | :) |
| 11:36.28 | Kevin` | mavhc if you had hardware RDP clients that didn't do X or something else it might be useful |
| 11:36.33 | Kevin` | mavhc thin clients |
| 11:36.37 | Tremitos | Hi |
| 11:36.37 | dead1ock | hey |
| 11:36.59 | mavhc | good point |
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| 11:37.15 | Kevin` | mavhc of course, it's not hard these days to get a thin client that runs a proper X server |
| 11:37.24 | xingu | Kevin`: is it you with the ppc wanting lower power use? |
| 11:37.39 | Kevin` | xingu I don't think so |
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| 11:37.45 | xingu | fair do |
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| 11:40.23 | Kevin` | that linux rdp server actually seems to have a few useful features over common vnc servers |
| 11:40.27 | harpal | any one used redius server? |
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| 11:40.34 | Kevin` | radius*? |
| 11:40.44 | harpal | yes |
| 11:40.48 | Kevin` | nope :D |
| 11:40.53 | Kevin` | planning on it, for wireless, though |
| 11:41.17 | Kevin` | (of course, someone else may have) |
| 11:41.20 | harpal | I have setup that but getting some problem |
| 11:41.33 | harpal | it doesnt connecting to that |
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| 11:41.47 | deb_usr | hi all |
| 11:42.13 | deb_usr | i want to cange the splash screen of debian gnome desktop |
| 11:42.30 | deb_usr | how can i do this ?? |
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| 11:42.32 | deb_usr | thanks |
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| 11:43.43 | unknow990 | anybody that can help me with verisign certificat. My machine is running apache2.. |
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| 11:49.22 | acemo | im doing a net install from diskettes, "Setting up the clock" is taking about 5 minutes already now.. is this normal? |
| 11:49.40 | abrotman | did you try the debug console? |
| 11:49.48 | abrotman | alt-f4 i believe |
| 11:50.12 | harpal | when I boot then it shows me disagrees about version of symbol struct_module and dosent load any module |
| 11:50.28 | simonrvn | vt4 is the logs, vt3 is the messages |
| 11:50.42 | acemo | clock-setup: tue jul 31 11:42:22: utc 2007 rdate: adjust local clock by -3904.431697 seconds |
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| 11:50.54 | simonrvn | though seems it's another term now |
| 11:51.03 | abrotman | i thought vt2 and vt3 were consoles for use |
| 11:51.24 | cromag | !ntpdate |
| 11:51.24 | dpkg | ntpdate is, like, a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, and add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf. |
| 11:51.35 | abrotman | he's in the installer |
| 11:51.36 | harpal | so I have not working networking and rtc and mouse and keyboard |
| 11:51.46 | cromag | !ntp |
| 11:51.46 | dpkg | [ntp] the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
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| 11:52.14 | simonrvn | abrotman: now it is |
| 11:52.17 | harpal | any idea what causing problem |
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| 11:52.49 | acemo | cromag: apt-get something during the very basic install? |
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| 11:53.43 | suwro | hello |
| 11:54.39 | suwro | I just messed my debian after last dist-upgrade - now i keep get this error: |
| 11:54.43 | suwro | dell kernel: atkbd.c: Unknown key released (raw set 2, code 0xd5 on isa0060/serio0) |
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| 11:55.33 | logd | hi is it possible to share a printer with client who doesn't run linux and how ? |
| 11:55.39 | acemo | abrotman: any idea how i can get further with my installation? |
| 11:55.40 | abrotman | samba |
| 11:55.44 | abrotman | logd: samba |
| 11:55.47 | abrotman | also cups |
| 11:55.49 | abrotman | and lpd |
| 11:55.52 | suwro | logd: samba, cups and lpd |
| 11:56.00 | suwro | logd: use ipp |
| 11:56.04 | suwro | as protocol |
| 11:56.09 | logd | and how do i tell the windows machine to use a cups pronter ? |
| 11:56.11 | abrotman | acemo: can you do anything at all? or it's just sitting there ? |
| 11:56.15 | abrotman | !cups |
| 11:56.15 | dpkg | from memory, cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 11:56.38 | suwro | ipp://machinenameorip/printerpathorname |
| 11:56.49 | logd | and windows understand ipp: ? |
| 11:57.03 | suwro | btw cups is now owned by Apple |
| 11:57.30 | abrotman | suwro: it's still open source |
| 11:57.39 | acemo | abrotman: in vt2 and vt3 i get the message "Please press Enter to activate this console." vt4 shows the message i typed earlier and vt1 just displays the "setting up the clock" bar at 100% |
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| 11:57.59 | suwro | abrotman: untill Apple say so - they didn't decide yet! |
| 11:58.00 | abrotman | acemo: i wonder if the installer freaked out when the time jumped 4000 seconds |
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| 11:58.05 | abrotman | suwro: fork |
| 11:58.22 | jelly-home | logd: try google, #windows or CUPS documentation for the windows issue. I think there are drivers if you only have ipp://, but I haven't set that up for a long time |
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| 11:59.24 | suwro | how the heck can i solve this ?? i didn't change anything (except apt-get dist-upgrade) |
| 11:59.29 | suwro | Jul 31 14:59:00 dell kernel: atkbd.c: Unknown key released (raw set 2, code 0xd5 on isa0060/serio0). |
| 11:59.29 | suwro | Jul 31 14:59:00 dell kernel: atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e055 <keycode>' to make it known. |
| 11:59.43 | suwro | it's keep comming and comming... |
| 11:59.51 | suwro | i can't use text console |
| 12:00.06 | jelly-home | suwro: is it a laptop? |
| 12:00.12 | suwro | yes |
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| 12:00.18 | acemo | abrotman: think its possible to un-freak the installer? or think i should just start over? |
| 12:00.25 | jelly-home | suwro: any of the funny keys pressed? |
| 12:00.25 | suwro | dell inspiron 1501 |
| 12:00.32 | suwro | none |
| 12:00.41 | metbsd | congratulation |
| 12:00.43 | metbsd | you got the bug |
| 12:00.54 | metbsd | try another distribution |
| 12:00.58 | metbsd | like ubuntu |
| 12:01.05 | suwro | metbsd: realy? |
| 12:01.07 | metbsd | those varients work best on laptop |
| 12:01.07 | jelly-home | suwro: well, the keyboard driver in kernel thinks there were (and that they were just released) |
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| 12:01.22 | phimic | hello all |
| 12:01.35 | metbsd | in fact, i've seen such error |
| 12:01.35 | jelly-home | suwro: first thing I'd try is to update the kernel |
| 12:01.36 | deb_usr | i want to cange the splash screen of debian gnome desktop |
| 12:01.38 | deb_usr | how can i do this ?? |
| 12:01.39 | suwro | jelly-home: i reboted several times and shutdown twice - same thing |
| 12:01.57 | deb_usr | i want to change the splash screen of debian gnome desktop |
| 12:02.02 | deb_usr | how can i do this ?? |
| 12:02.13 | suwro | i have |
| 12:02.26 | suwro | linux-image-2.6.21-2-amd64 2.6.21-6 linux-image-2.6.22-1-amd64 2.6.22-3 |
| 12:02.33 | suwro | both drop same error |
| 12:02.36 | phimic | i use shorewall to configure my firewall but i get open ports for pop3 and imap, i tried to configure postfix for "internet using smarthost" but the ports are still open |
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| 12:02.37 | cromag | acemo: oh yes, i was just thinking about some auto, but i made a primtive shell script insted. |
| 12:02.53 | suwro | this started on this morning - after dist-upgrade... |
| 12:03.11 | xingu | jelly: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=435250 <-- youch. |
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| 12:04.57 | jelly-home | xingu: like, who uses shared memory via anonymous mmap these days? :-) |
| 12:05.13 | xingu | jelly-home: nvidia and lguest, evidently |
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| 12:05.40 | suwro | how can i reconfigure my keyboard? |
| 12:06.04 | jelly-home | xingu: I meant to say, it's a totally legal usage IMHO |
| 12:07.08 | xingu | jelly-home: trtd is to probably put the legitimate PROT_EXEC devices onto a separate fs and bind mount them |
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| 12:07.43 | xingu | just because /some/ devices have semantics for PROT_EXEC doesn't mean we should bend over and take it for /all/ devices |
| 12:07.49 | jelly-home | xingu: a nice thing to do is also not breaking current userspace :-) |
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| 12:09.09 | abrotman | acemo: i'd probably just restart .. but i'm not a patient person :) |
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| 12:09.56 | acemo | abrotman: my problem is.. i got 1 power cable short.. and only got 1 diskette... have to run up and down 2 stairs bout 5 times if i restart :p |
| 12:10.13 | Peacimowen | O_o |
| 12:11.16 | abrotman | acemo: no CD drive? |
| 12:11.19 | abrotman | no more floppies ? |
| 12:11.50 | jelly-home | xingu: on a totally different note, I have dpkg-deb failing on me in a script, but working in an interactive shell |
| 12:12.05 | acemo | abrotman: tried burning cd but it failed 3 times so i thought i'd just use diskettes so i dont ruin any more cds ^.^ |
| 12:12.29 | acemo | only found 1 diskette at this home yeah.. :/ got like around 500 at my dads place tho |
| 12:12.42 | abrotman | acemo: what speed did you burn it at? .. ISOs don't like being burnt faster than about 16x .. slower if you can |
| 12:13.17 | acemo | 2.4x.. slowest i could write at |
| 12:13.48 | abrotman | !tell elbing about away |
| 12:14.30 | abrotman | acemo: hrm .. okay |
| 12:14.35 | abrotman | sounds odd .. but oay |
| 12:14.36 | abrotman | okay |
| 12:14.37 | jelly-home | WTF |
| 12:14.43 | abrotman | HTF! |
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| 12:15.05 | abrotman | jelly-home: are you married to peanut-butter-home ? |
| 12:15.14 | jelly-home | ah, bad PATH |
| 12:15.18 | xand | more like custard-home |
| 12:15.24 | xand | or ice cream? |
| 12:15.30 | abrotman | fluffernutter-home ? |
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| 12:15.33 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 12:15.33 | jelly-home | I scream, yes. |
| 12:15.37 | abrotman | marshmallow-fluff-home |
| 12:15.42 | abrotman | !tell dante-- about root |
| 12:16.14 | elbing | abrotman: sorry, fixed. I forgot I was in #debian |
| 12:16.21 | abrotman | elbing: thank you |
| 12:16.31 | acemo | abrotman: yeah.. i know its a bit odd.. ran out of cds and i got a big pile of dvds so just using them instead |
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| 12:16.47 | xand | you mean other channels tolerate away messages? :o |
| 12:16.50 | abrotman | acemo: there is a DVD image that can be used to install .. of course .. it's also 4.7GB or whatever |
| 12:16.58 | elbing | xand: yes |
| 12:17.10 | xand | what is the world coming to |
| 12:17.12 | abrotman | xand: we're draconian bastards! |
| 12:17.16 | elbing | he |
| 12:17.20 | acemo | abrotman: this is first time writing a cd image to a dvd has failed for me |
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| 12:17.34 | abrotman | acemo: hrm .. okay .. i've never tried it |
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| 12:21.41 | XtypeWriter74 | hi, i am looking for a tool to unpack .exe files, i know there is one but forgot the name |
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| 12:21.43 | XtypeWriter74 | :) |
| 12:22.28 | themill | XtypeWriter74: it depends how they're packed. might be cabextract |
| 12:22.39 | xand | or unzip |
| 12:22.58 | XtypeWriter74 | cabextract it was, Merci ;) |
| 12:24.59 | themill | XtypeWriter74: lucky guess :) |
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| 12:33.27 | DragonD | i'm tring to get bluetooth to work so i can use my phone as a modem... but hcitool cc <addr> works and hcitool con shows it but never asks for a pin and hcitool auth says io error... i've added it to rfcomm.conf and ran rfcomm bind all and now when i do anything with /dev/rfcomm0 my phone thinks something is pairing with it and is asking for a pin. any ideas? |
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| 12:39.46 | romano2k | hi everyone! are there nvidia packages available still? |
| 12:39.54 | themill | Bogus8: options +indexes. http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/directives.html |
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| 12:40.03 | romano2k | (fresh debian stable) |
| 12:40.18 | Bogus8_ | themill: thanks... I'll look into it |
| 12:40.37 | themill | !tell romano2k about nvidia |
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| 12:40.58 | DragonD | anyone here know how to make my computers bluetooth "visible" |
| 12:41.10 | revil | hi guys. I have severe random problems in my debian distro, and I am seriously considering reinsallng |
| 12:41.12 | DragonD | !tell me about bluetooth |
| 12:41.16 | harpal | Is there any thing that can continuously check all logs and if it see some critical the mail to administrator |
| 12:41.19 | revil | is it possible to do this online? |
| 12:41.21 | romano2k | thank you themill, i'm having a look. |
| 12:41.35 | cast | harpal: at least one thing |
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| 12:41.43 | cast | revil: ...you mean reinstall remotely? |
| 12:41.50 | revil | I mean, without format/minimal/install but like reinstalling all the installed packages? |
| 12:41.51 | cast | revil: yes. but you have to be sharp |
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| 12:42.03 | revil | without reboot |
| 12:42.17 | cast | revil: oh, or you can reinstall all the pkgs...but that wont fix problems such as your bungho config AFAIK |
| 12:42.27 | jelly-home | DragonD: hm, does the default 1234 (from hcid.conf) work on the phone? |
| 12:43.11 | revil | what is bungho? |
| 12:43.30 | revil | anyways, how can I reinstall all the packages? |
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| 12:44.01 | DragonD | jelly-home: i tried it and nope didn't work... also tried 0000 |
| 12:44.27 | DragonD | jelly-home: and echo 0000 > /dev/rfcomm0 then tried 0000 hehe |
| 12:45.46 | harpal | cast: atleast one thing means only one log file? |
| 12:45.51 | jelly-home | DragonD: hpmh. I don't have a nice howto... however I see I have my pin in /etc/bluetooth/passkeys/00:12:34:56:78:9A ... that's my phone's MAC address |
| 12:46.59 | DragonD | jelly-home: how did you pair them? |
| 12:47.25 | Bogus8_ | themill: it looks like with the autoindex.load module loading that it should list dirs... but mine is giving me "forbidden" errors and I have read perms set read on all |
| 12:47.36 | jelly-home | DragonD: which desktop environment are you using? I played with kbluetoothd. |
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| 12:47.41 | Bogus8_ | it's actually an rsync of my old servers www dir |
| 12:47.59 | DragonD | jelly-home: xfce4 |
| 12:48.16 | jelly-home | DragonD: me too. try kbluetoothd ;-) |
| 12:48.36 | cast | harpal: i mean at least one program/script is capable of analyzing log files for issues and emailing you the results |
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| 12:49.20 | jelly-home | DragonD: I already had some of KDE components so installing it didn't hurt much |
| 12:50.13 | DragonD | jelly-home: won't take too long to download |
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| 12:50.43 | neo | hello? how do i put configure my dhcp? |
| 12:50.45 | neo | with ssh? |
| 12:51.01 | stefano | ubuntu r0x |
| 12:51.20 | neo | for debian |
| 12:51.30 | jelly-home | stefano: it does. Do you have a Debian question? |
| 12:51.41 | stefano | not |
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| 12:52.08 | DragonD | jelly-home: do i need to be in a special group for that to work? |
| 12:52.27 | jelly-home | DragonD: if you can access your rfcomm device, that's pretty much it |
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| 12:53.10 | jelly-home | DragonD: I put myself in dialout group to use the modem |
| 12:53.15 | Rigel | hi |
| 12:54.05 | DragonD | jelly-home: how do i pair with the kbluetoothd tho? |
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| 12:54.43 | Rigel | i configured synaptic to use my proxy ( I'm in a lan and access internet via proxy) but how it needs username and password, where i configure this? |
| 12:54.58 | jelly-home | DragonD: hmm... start it, right click on the systray icon and configure away |
| 12:55.24 | DragonD | jelly-home: when i click on paired devices nothing comes up. |
| 12:56.16 | Absolute0 | what the best driver to get for ntfs support? i am thinking about ntfs-3g... |
| 12:56.22 | SORMANOV | what is the best way to do a centralized caching server in my LAN for caching apt packages ? |
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| 12:56.47 | XtypeWriter74 | back again :) can i use the Linux Driver for Fritz! USB Stick from the AVM page http://www.avm.de/en/index.php3 on etch stable? |
| 12:57.02 | jelly-home | DragonD: hmph, that's weird. It might require konqueror to be installed. :-( |
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| 12:57.14 | Rigel | Where can i configure user and password to use with synaptic? |
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| 12:57.47 | jelly-home | DragonD: I have to go, sorry, be back in an hour or so |
| 12:58.03 | DragonD | jelly-home: later |
| 12:58.35 | Absolute0 | what repo is ntfs-3g in? |
| 12:58.48 | Bogus8_ | how do I turn on directory listings in apache2 ... I have the module autoindex.load in mods-enable ...seems like that would do it no> |
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| 12:59.45 | liable | Indexes |
| 12:59.59 | cydork | Rigel: try http://[[user][:pass]@]host/ as a proxy in syaptic |
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| 13:00.05 | SORMANOV | what is the best way to do a centralized caching server in my LAN for caching apt packages ? |
| 13:00.06 | liable | allow of course.. |
| 13:00.30 | sep | Bogus8, you must allow it with the ptions Indexes in the directory stanca in your siet config. (or allow it using htaccess files |
| 13:00.34 | sohmestra | SORM |
| 13:00.41 | sohmestra | SORMANOV: apt-cacher |
| 13:00.55 | Bogus8_ | sep: I've read about that and I'm not understanding where I would put that option at |
| 13:01.07 | Bogus8_ | it seems like is more for individual directories than site wide |
| 13:01.17 | kokonol | 有用UTF-8的� |
| 13:01.53 | Bogus8_ | I think I got it... one sec |
| 13:02.39 | Bogus8_ | cool I got it |
| 13:02.52 | Bogus8_ | I'm still getting use to this new apache configuration |
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| 13:03.09 | Bogus8_ | before everything was centralized in one config file... now there are so many modules I get lost ;) |
| 13:03.25 | sep | Bogus8, it takes a while getting used to , but now i love it :) |
| 13:03.35 | sep | i have 1 site file for each, it's glorious :) |
| 13:03.57 | Bogus8_ | sep: I definitely see it's advantages... I just can't find shit at first |
| 13:04.47 | Bogus8_ | one more OT question... I'm running irssi and in my status bar in this channel I have [3:#debian(+JLPcflnt 10,3 #debian-overflow 783) |
| 13:04.50 | Bogus8_ | what's that all about? |
| 13:05.38 | sep | what part of it ? |
| 13:06.25 | sep | the overflow bit is just a join flood protection. so that if 15 joined at the same time. the excess users had to wait #debian-overflow until the bots upp the limit |
| 13:06.54 | Bogus8_ | so that is just normal to see that in my status bar |
| 13:07.07 | Bogus8_ | this is a new version of irssi so it might not have been displayed before |
| 13:07.26 | Bogus8_ | hogs up my whole status bar too... but I guess I can deal |
| 13:07.45 | sep | it's the channel status flags. |
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| 13:08.38 | Bogus8_ | cool, I probably can turn it off... I'll dig around soon |
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| 13:10.35 | abrotman | SORMANOV: apt-proxy or apt-cacher |
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| 13:19.12 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 13:19.12 | dpkg | <jetscreamer> hey isn't there some way to get a 4g file on fat32? like some different version of fat32 or something? |
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| 13:19.56 | massctrl | anyone knows how to record everything that happens in your Xorg to an avi/mpeg file ? |
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| 13:21.50 | cast | massctrl: xvidcap maybe, |
| 13:22.06 | cast | massctrl: i use it, its woefully inefficent but works. just don't expect high FPS |
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| 13:23.45 | hark | recordmydesktop is good (and in debian), if ogg is ok |
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| 13:26.21 | cast | hark: pkg name? |
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| 13:27.25 | SoulChild | Hey all ,... |
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| 13:27.46 | xingu | cast, massctrl: x11vnc, screenkast ? |
| 13:27.47 | SoulChild | which filesystem does support good file compression ? is there another one than reiserfs ? |
| 13:28.17 | hark | cast: recordmydesktop itself, there's gtk-recordmydesktop/krecordmydesktop for a frontend |
| 13:28.32 | cast | hark: hmm, not in my repo |
| 13:28.40 | massctrl | cast, xingu: just wondering how they make those recordings you find about windowmangers on youtube |
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| 13:29.56 | hark | cast: ah, must not be in etch |
| 13:30.19 | Rigel | I'm trying to install mysql server, but iy says depends libdbi-perl but its not installable, i put deb http://libdbi.sourceforge.net, but its not possible to download: not found.. |
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| 13:30.52 | SoulChild | Rigel: are you using debian unstable ? |
| 13:31.33 | Rigel | im not sure.. |
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| 13:31.41 | Rigel | whow to see it? |
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| 13:32.43 | Rigel | but i think not... |
| 13:33.33 | lordrich | Why is postfix asking for emacs and x11 packages to be installed? |
| 13:33.58 | Rigel | how to verify my version? |
| 13:34.04 | norc | You touch it, Rigel |
| 13:34.07 | norc | with your fingers. |
| 13:34.18 | liable | lordrich: eh? |
| 13:34.25 | liable | !depends postfix |
| 13:34.28 | dpkg | postfix: depends on libc6 (>= 2.5-5), libdb4.3 (>= 4.3.28-1), libsasl2-2, libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8e-1), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, netbase, adduser (>= 3.48), dpkg (>= 1.8.3), lsb-base (>= 3.0-6), ssl-cert |
| 13:34.49 | norc | :) |
| 13:34.54 | liable | Rigel: of debian? |
| 13:34.57 | xingu | liable: maybe he's installed arch==emacs |
| 13:35.01 | Rigel | yes |
| 13:35.10 | liable | xingu: *shudder* |
| 13:35.12 | lordrich | Yeah, I looked on packages.debian.org and it suggested the same thing |
| 13:35.20 | Rigel | dos command is ver... |
| 13:35.21 | liable | Rigel: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:35.25 | lordrich | so how do I debug why it's asking for extra packages? |
| 13:35.26 | techbie | !version |
| 13:35.26 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 13:35.46 | xingu | lordrich: apt-cache depends postfix |
| 13:35.55 | xingu | haha |
| 13:35.58 | xingu | liable: recommends: |
| 13:36.01 | xingu | he's right. |
| 13:36.13 | xingu | emacs is <mail-reader> |
| 13:36.13 | Rigel | thanks liable. It's 3.1 |
| 13:36.37 | liable | Rigel: you have set your preferences to install recommends? |
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| 13:37.05 | liable | Rigel: sarge, you should upgrade |
| 13:37.12 | lordrich | ooh ok, recommends mail-reader and it's choosing xemacs |
| 13:37.35 | Rigel | i used the default menu. |
| 13:37.59 | liable | sorry, wrong nick |
| 13:38.06 | lordrich | "aptitude install postfix mutt" has done the trick |
| 13:38.08 | lordrich | cheers |
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| 13:40.05 | rissy | i just compiled audacious 1.3.2 with 1.3.5 plugins and 1.3.0 ugly plugins, however, i don't seem to have mp3 support, how can i add mp3 support? |
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| 13:40.13 | Rigel | Can I upgrade with synaptic? I'm trying to mark all upgrades, but can´t apply.. |
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| 13:41.32 | liable | as root? |
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| 13:42.53 | Rigel | yes |
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| 13:46.16 | themill | Rigel: what get's marked (in the Marked Upgrades filter)? |
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| 13:47.02 | Rigel | nothing... |
| 13:47.12 | Rigel | sorry. |
| 13:47.31 | Rigel | to install and upgrade and remove |
| 13:47.50 | Rigel | broke |
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| 13:47.58 | muep | hello |
| 13:48.32 | Pres-Gas | Hey, muep |
| 13:48.57 | muep | is sid usually kept close to upstream? even in big projects like Gnome and KDE? |
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| 13:49.42 | Pres-Gas | Are you looking for something specific package-wise, muep? |
| 13:49.59 | muep | I know they now have gnome 2.18 |
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| 13:50.18 | muep | I'd like to have the next one soon after it's released |
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| 13:51.12 | Pres-Gas | Have you played about with testing? Since they just released the latest stable, I would think that Testing would be pretty up to date. |
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| 13:52.05 | themill | Rigel: so do you know that there are packages to upgrade but synaptic won't Mark Upgrades? or have you already done a "Mark Upgrades" but can't "Apply"? |
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| 13:52.34 | muep | Pres-Gas: not in a while, but I know testing tends to get a bit far from the bleeding edge before debian stable releases ( of course there's not one coming soon) |
| 13:53.03 | muep | I was just curious if the same effect applies to Sid |
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| 13:53.31 | Pres-Gas | muep, I know Testing is running 2.18 |
| 13:53.40 | Pres-Gas | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=Gnome-about&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all |
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| 13:55.29 | abrotman | testing also has 2.6.21 |
| 13:55.43 | muep | for now, testing would be ok |
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| 13:55.50 | Pres-Gas | I have tended to stick with testing in the begining of a release...then upgrade to sid late in the cycle. |
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| 13:56.13 | hark | abrotman: gnome ;) |
| 13:56.38 | abrotman | doh .. nevermind |
| 13:57.01 | bintut | hello all.. i'm trying to build a module but i always get an error.. anyone cares to check this link ==> http://paste.debian.net/33756 |
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| 13:57.32 | Rigel | I mark upgrades, and a new windows asks for default upgrade or intelligent upgrade, after i click one of them the icon apply still gray. |
| 13:58.35 | ErkiDerLoony | Which package do I have to install in order to chroot to my external harddisk? |
| 13:58.43 | Maliuta | Rigel: sense no make you |
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| 13:59.54 | muep | how up-to-date is sid when a release is approaching? |
| 14:00.34 | Rigel | what no make sense Maliuta? My actions or my english? |
| 14:00.56 | micky | Hello can anyone point me to some docs regarding changing the ETH(id) that is assigned to my nic card ? ( i just cloned a system and debian started up and reassigned my nics from 0 1 and 2 to 3-4 and 5 and the applications i'm working with cannot work this way |
| 14:01.19 | cydork | micky: check /msg dpkg z25 |
| 14:01.32 | xand | micky: edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 14:01.35 | Pres-Gas | muep, I am no master at this, but experience has shown me that sid TENDS to get less buggy and less show stopping bugs when it gets closer to a release. |
| 14:01.52 | abrotman | that's because it's mostly frozen |
| 14:02.04 | Pres-Gas | Indeed, abrotman |
| 14:02.23 | themill | Rigel: If there are no updates to apply then the Apply icon will be greyed out. Are you sure you have updates to apply? (are you using etch?) |
| 14:02.26 | Pres-Gas | But is still cutting edge, less bleeding edge |
| 14:02.33 | micky | cydork xand thanks |
| 14:03.25 | S4nD3r | Is there someone who undertands samba? |
| 14:03.34 | xand | !anyone |
| 14:03.34 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 14:04.08 | Rigel | it,s not etch.. |
| 14:06.06 | muep | Pres-Gas: thanks for helping |
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| 14:15.04 | drbair_laptop | I've been getting some terrible network performance. Wireshark reveals that my tcp window size is 22! I'm using 2 bonded intel pro 1000's on debian etch. Here is my sysctl -a output http://pastebin.ca/640527 |
| 14:15.15 | Rigel | tkxs all, ntg.. |
| 14:15.25 | plb | hrm just me or has there been no updates in sid for a few days? |
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| 14:17.40 | obsethryl | oh boy, lvm2 crapped :( |
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| 14:17.56 | cast | good thing for backups, and an lvm room! |
| 14:18.17 | obsethryl | this is a breakbox as i call it, so no worries |
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| 14:18.37 | obsethryl | i always have backups :) |
| 14:18.39 | cast | how'd you break it? so i don't do it. |
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| 14:18.49 | cberlo | Hi folks. Any experts with samba available? I've got a winbind issue I can't seem to solve here... |
| 14:19.09 | jelly | !seen dragond |
| 14:19.09 | dpkg | dragond <n=dragon@67-54-161-99.cust.wildblue.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1h 21m 6s ago, saying: 'jelly-home: later'. |
| 14:19.13 | obsethryl | cast: i have a series of sil3134 based controllers with the port multipliers on |
| 14:20.01 | obsethryl | cast: there seems to be a strange issue in both -testing and -unstable that is likely not an issue of debian itself but of some kernel options i enable during a custom kernel compilation |
| 14:20.11 | cast | obsethryl: ahh. |
| 14:20.18 | obsethryl | cast: you should not be having that issue, mine is a very particular case |
| 14:20.25 | obsethryl | i think i am fixing it now btw |
| 14:20.36 | jelly | drbair_laptop: what kind of traffic are you supposed to handle? are jumbo frames on option for you? |
| 14:20.48 | cast | obsethryl: so how do port multipliers work, does that mean you can share 1 sata channel among >1 drive? |
| 14:21.06 | cast | obsethryl: with some kind of 1 sata->2sata connector perhaps |
| 14:21.11 | obsethryl | cast: sata port multipliers means that 1 port -> 5 ports |
| 14:21.12 | drbair_laptop | jelly: unfortunately not, most of the machines seem to freak out when I enable it |
| 14:21.45 | drbair_laptop | jelly: but I have dual gigabit NICs and I plan on using them to their max |
| 14:21.48 | cast | obsethryl: is it still the 1 channel for the 5 ports, [like IDE shared the channel] |
| 14:22.03 | obsethryl | cast: sec i give yo ua link |
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| 14:22.13 | cast | hmm, probably a good idea. |
| 14:22.24 | jelly | drbair_laptop: you'd need to enable them on both (all?) ends, and possibly on the switch too |
| 14:22.50 | obsethryl | cast: http://www.cooldrives.com/cosapomubrso.html |
| 14:22.55 | drbair_laptop | jelly: jumbos? yeah... but a bunch of the desktops freak out |
| 14:23.16 | drbair_laptop | jelly: big tcp windows seem like they should do the job without jumbo frams |
| 14:23.31 | drbair_laptop | but this window size of 22 is killing me |
| 14:23.36 | jelly | drbair_laptop: so test with big tcp windows. iperf can do that. |
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| 14:24.06 | drbair_laptop | yeah, but for some reason the window sizes are well below the values defined in sysctl |
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| 14:24.27 | cast | obsethryl: neato. what did one set you back? |
| 14:24.28 | obsethryl | cast: http://www.siliconimage.com/products/product.aspx?id=32 |
| 14:24.49 | obsethryl | sorry for the typo i have a series of 3132 based controllers |
| 14:24.51 | wirefire- | anyone recommend any repositories |
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| 14:24.58 | dead1ock | yo |
| 14:25.16 | streuner | !tell wirefire- about mirrors |
| 14:25.26 | cast | wirefire-: nearly official one+debian multimedia + isp one? |
| 14:25.34 | jelly | drbair_laptop: I can't even find where is the default window size set ... I thought the app is responsible for that |
| 14:25.42 | obsethryl | cast: well for some reason /dev/mapper/ ... gets some funny links after i try to hotswap using a kernel with some crypto enabled :s |
| 14:26.08 | obsethryl | so i am checking to see now if a newer version of lvm2 related tools may be the cause of it |
| 14:26.12 | cast | obsethryl: lol...so dm-crypt is screwing up the dm eh. how fun |
| 14:26.22 | obsethryl | cast: as i said, it is a test box |
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| 14:26.39 | jelly | hmm |
| 14:26.50 | jelly | Can a vampire use Debian mirrors? |
| 14:26.57 | themill | :) |
| 14:27.04 | obsethryl | cast: i will fix this, i am certain; i only hope it does not have to do anything with the chipset modules themselves, and looks like it is purely a compilation fault of mine with the options i have used |
| 14:27.22 | harpal | how can I see my radius server is listening on which port and also is it loopback? |
| 14:27.45 | obsethryl | cast: btw are you interested in this ? (port multiplying ecc) |
| 14:27.55 | xingu | drbair_laptop: if you can post a packet capture demonstrating poor performance it can be debugged; without it we're boxing at shadows. |
| 14:27.56 | jelly | harpal: lsof -p PID | grep TCP |
| 14:27.59 | cast | harpal: netstat -la? not that i know what radius is |
| 14:28.02 | obsethryl | asides the "give me the info so i dont break it as well i mean" |
| 14:28.18 | jelly | cast: half of diameter! |
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| 14:29.05 | drbair_laptop | jelly: should be set in net.ipv4.tcp_(r|w)mem with min, default and max values. I have 2096 65535 16777216 put it currently |
| 14:29.25 | xingu | drbair_laptop: it could easily be one of the two endpoints running out of headroom and throttling for instance; nb, window size has a directionality too (ie, separate sizes in tx and rx flow-halves) |
| 14:29.28 | cast | obsethryl: only so far as i find most computer things interesting, i'm probably personally too poor to ever exceed my 6ish sata connectors and ever need port multipling :> still nice to know what it is though |
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| 14:30.28 | obsethryl | cast: it lowers costs quite a bit |
| 14:30.35 | obsethryl | especially since i like soft - raid :) |
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| 14:30.40 | jelly | harlekin: sorry, grep for UDP not TCP |
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| 14:30.55 | jelly | argh |
| 14:31.01 | xingu | drbair_laptop: it could be for instance that your app is using TCP_NODELAY in which case window scaling won't come into the equation at all |
| 14:31.09 | jelly | harpal: sorry, grep for UDP not TCP |
| 14:31.15 | obsethryl | a 320gb disk here costs at about 50 $ if you know the right retailer so... |
| 14:31.25 | harpal | ok thanx |
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| 14:32.07 | obsethryl | ok lets reboot and see if i get this fixed :) |
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| 14:36.23 | drbair_laptop | xingu: really... now that is interesting. Would nodelay help or hurt LAN performance versus window scaling |
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| 14:37.28 | obsethryl | cast: it works, fixed :) |
| 14:38.03 | cast | obsethryl: awesome |
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| 14:41.38 | jelly | drbair_laptop: also, what have you been testing with? |
| 14:42.36 | drbair_laptop | jelly: samba with windows xp clients, NFS with Linux clients, and FTP with everyone |
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| 14:43.17 | SamuraiDio | do someone know about the kochi gothic font? |
| 14:43.20 | xingu | drbair_laptop: define performance |
| 14:43.44 | xingu | drbair_laptop: NODELAY tends to sacrifice latency for throughput |
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| 14:44.25 | drbair_laptop | xingu: so nodelay is the way to go for me then... now we just have the inexplicable small tcp windows... |
| 14:44.28 | jelly | drbair_laptop: that's not conculsive enough. have you tuned the window size for samba? nfs? tcp or udp nfs? again, I'd like to see iperf numbers to rule out application problems. |
| 14:44.41 | xingu | drbair_laptop: well, enabling it favours latency over throughput to be clear |
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| 14:44.58 | McGrady | hello, i'm searching in google but i haven't found a solution, i installed "dosemu" and i'm trying reinstall nvidia driver and i have a lot of problems, i saw is a problem with dosemu, but i uninstall dosemu (with --purge) but problem continue, something read, listen or something solution? |
| 14:45.11 | drbair_laptop | jelly: window size was adjusted via sysctl value |
| 14:45.18 | xingu | jelly: I'd prefer to see a packet dump showing the problem but I'm old fashioned that way. :) |
| 14:45.25 | jelly | drbair_laptop: that's not what I'm asking. :-) |
| 14:45.48 | jelly | xingu: you want evidence?! |
| 14:46.24 | xingu | drbair_laptop: if NODELAY is enabled then windows will tend to be as small as required; the point of nagle is that it queues up writes to the socket until the segment is full |
| 14:47.06 | xingu | drbair_laptop: without nagle (NODELAY) the segment size will match the size written |
| 14:47.12 | jelly | now that I think of it, samba might favor from NODELAY, I think it does a lot of superfluous chit-chatting ;-) |
| 14:47.14 | xingu | jelly: yeah, quirky huh |
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| 14:47.53 | xingu | jelly: CIFS is a bit better in that regard than SMB but yes, that's why in prehistoric samba the usual rule of "crib sheet perf tuning" was enable nodelay |
| 14:48.21 | xingu | jelly: as with anything crib sheet based the occasional re-analysis based on current data is a good idea |
| 14:48.38 | jelly | xingu: I don't know of a linux CIFS server apart from samba, tho |
| 14:48.49 | xingu | jelly: for instance NODELAY can give you the mumps from interrupt load alone at 10Gbps line rates |
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| 14:49.07 | xingu | jelly: just use CIFS instead of SMB client-side mounts is all that's required. |
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| 14:49.23 | xingu | jelly: tcp/445, not udp/137 |
| 14:49.34 | ircole34321 | Hello, Ive been trying to install debian onto an old machine running windows 98, and ive been trying to use loadlin but i keep getting a kernle panic error unable to mount vfs "please enter correct root=/ option" or something very similar to that. anyone have any ideas? I think all i need is the right root= to make it work. but i don't know what that is. |
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| 14:50.31 | jelly | anyway, /me agrees that more data is required |
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| 14:52.27 | jelly | ircole34321: that would be the partition where you installed Debian, something like root=/dev/hda2 |
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| 14:54.11 | ircole34321 | I was actually trying to use loadlin to load the installer, debian hasn't been installed yet, because the bios on this system won't let me boot form cd |
| 14:54.18 | xingu | what's that you say robin? control and data plane have opposing requirements? maybe we ought to put them on separate sockets... |
| 14:54.58 | xingu | now let me think where that's been done before |
| 14:55.04 | norc | ircole34321: you need to set root to the device your boot directory is on. |
| 14:55.17 | norc | ircole34321: for example: |
| 14:55.18 | norc | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-k7 root=/dev/sda1 ro single |
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| 14:55.33 | norc | /dev/sda1 is my root partition which also contains the /boot/ directory. |
| 14:56.02 | norc | ircole34321: It's the easiest thing if you just type `update-grub' - it will automatically generate a proper menu.lst that you can modify if necessary. |
| 14:56.37 | norc | Oh wait, never mind. never used loadlin ;) |
| 14:56.46 | norc | thinking you were using grub. :) |
| 14:57.00 | ErkiDerLoony | Which package do I have to install for having the command "chroot"? |
| 14:57.15 | stew | ircole34321: /msg dpkg can't mount root |
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| 14:57.45 | stew | ErkiDerLoony: coreutils, which should be on any debian install |
| 14:58.14 | S4nD3r | gsopcast: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by gsopcast) |
| 14:58.20 | S4nD3r | How solve it? |
| 14:58.31 | ErkiDerLoony | stew: Ah! I wan't root. |
| 14:58.37 | ErkiDerLoony | But it does not work. |
| 14:58.47 | stew | ErkiDerLoony: be more specific than "does not work" |
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| 14:58.53 | ErkiDerLoony | It just writes "bash: /dev/null: Permission denied" several times. |
| 14:58.54 | stew | S4nD3r: you'd have to upgrade to testing |
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| 14:59.00 | stew | S4nD3r: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 14:59.02 | x03 | hi |
| 14:59.14 | S4nD3r | I installed gsopcast manually |
| 14:59.16 | x03 | someone can open this ? http://gaivotos.com |
| 14:59.24 | stew | ErkiDerLoony: you are trying to chroot into a root that is on a partition which is mounted with the nodev option |
| 14:59.35 | S4nD3r | When I tried to run, got this error |
| 14:59.46 | ircole34321 | here's what ive done, and maby im trying to do something inpossible, my system cannot boot form cd so i downloaded the buisness card iso installer and unpacked it into a directory on my c drive under windows now i want to use loadlin to load the installer and make a partiton and a swap and install debian, maby that is not possible but any help would be appreciated |
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| 14:59.52 | stew | S4nD3r: you need to get a version compiled for your older glibc, or recompile it yourself |
| 15:00.05 | ErkiDerLoony | stew: Then should I mount it with "-o nonodev"? ;-) |
| 15:00.07 | S4nD3r | ??? |
| 15:00.17 | stew | ircole34321: you need to figure out how to tell loadlin about the initrd |
| 15:00.45 | stew | ErkiDerLoony: mount it without 'nodev' or remount it with "mount -o remount,dev /device" |
| 15:01.16 | S4nD3r | I must download another kind of gsopcast? |
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| 15:02.16 | ircole34321 | in the command I specify the kernel and the initrd but i still need to tell it where to mount root, ive tried root=/ramdisk |
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| 15:02.44 | S4nD3r | Is there another software to watch TV in etch box? |
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| 15:03.41 | stew | S4nD3r: there is xawtv |
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| 15:04.32 | gcbirzan | Hm, is there a way to find out what packages are on the first Debian CD without downloading it? :-P |
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| 15:04.55 | gcbirzan | Hm. Jigdo, maybe. *goes look into it* |
| 15:05.28 | stew | gcbirzan: /msg dpkg which cd |
| 15:05.39 | S4nD3r | xawtv??? |
| 15:05.42 | stew | gcbirzan: but yes, the .jigdo files are just gziped lists of packages |
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| 15:05.51 | S4nD3r | Its to see through my webcam, isnt it ? |
| 15:06.27 | stew | S4nD3r: your webcam or your tuner card, or any v4l device |
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| 15:06.40 | S4nD3r | ummm... |
| 15:06.52 | S4nD3r | but gsopcast needs a TV card? |
| 15:06.55 | gcbirzan | stew: Hehe, thanks. :-) The cdimage webserver was serving them as text/plain, but I was getting to file in a second. :-) |
| 15:07.03 | stew | S4nD3r: i have no idea what gsopcast is |
| 15:07.06 | stew | S4nD3r: sorry |
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| 15:07.27 | S4nD3r | xawtv, i didnt get access neither tv channel |
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| 15:10.30 | DragonD | hehe i just found out that i can arp posien my isp... i made a mistake eairler and arped 1024 hosts! had to wait for ever till the flooding of my connection was over |
| 15:10.53 | drbair_laptop | thats a good way to get dropped |
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| 15:11.23 | fireba11 | wtf .. debian isntaller (etch r0 686) just told me grub won't install .. it said running "grub-install (hda)" ... i only got sata disks .. ^^ |
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| 15:11.53 | DragonD | drbair_laptop: what do you mean? |
| 15:14.34 | mystic_pinguin | someone knows how can i check ou one laptop have drivers to the basic stuff in one laptop like soudn wireless ... |
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| 15:16.49 | _kb | hi |
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| 15:21.22 | freespac1 | hrm |
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| 15:24.35 | S4nD3r | qmake doesnt work in my box |
| 15:24.39 | S4nD3r | what I need to install? |
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| 15:27.13 | ErkiDerLoony | Is there any way to list all the packages that have been manually installed via apt-get? |
| 15:27.28 | semprix | dpkg -l |
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| 15:28.16 | S4nD3r | qmake doesnt work in my box |
| 15:28.17 | S4nD3r | what I need to install? |
| 15:28.31 | semprix | !qmake |
| 15:28.41 | S4nD3r | !qmake |
| 15:28.47 | ErkiDerLoony | semprix: dpkg -l lists all packages installed. Not only those manually installed. |
| 15:29.01 | stew | ErkiDerLoony: i don't think so, i think you'd have to use aptitude |
| 15:29.10 | ErkiDerLoony | Ah. |
| 15:29.12 | ErkiDerLoony | Ok. |
| 15:29.14 | ErkiDerLoony | I'll try. |
| 15:29.15 | S4nD3r | dpkg qmake |
| 15:29.15 | ErkiDerLoony | Thanks. |
| 15:29.17 | semprix | S4nD3r, qt3-dev-tools |
| 15:29.35 | S4nD3r | thanks for all |
| 15:29.39 | stew | ErkiDerLoony: aptitude search '~i!~M' |
| 15:29.41 | S4nD3r | I dont know what is QT...!!! |
| 15:30.00 | stew | S4nD3r: its a widget library. the one that kde is written using |
| 15:30.13 | S4nD3r | ummm... |
| 15:30.15 | stew | ErkiDerLoony: that means "installed but not automatically installed" |
| 15:30.18 | S4nD3r | Im using gnome |
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| 15:30.39 | ErkiDerLoony | stew: Cool! |
| 15:31.10 | blubs | anybody used bootcd before mean the debian package |
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| 15:31.36 | S4nD3r | I just would like to watch TV by Internet |
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| 15:32.17 | stew | S4nD3r: what do you need that can't be accomplished using mplayer or vlc or xine? |
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| 15:32.49 | benny99 | hi, just want to know wether somebody tried "mount --move" yet and if it works :) |
| 15:32.54 | S4nD3r | I dont know how to use them |
| 15:33.29 | helo | i have exim4 running on a smarthost for somedomain.com... some clients i'm acting as a smarthost for have their mailname setup as "somedomain.com", and their cron output is being mailed to root@somedomain.com, and bouncing around... is exim4 misconfigured, or do the clients need to change their mailname to something else (they don't have a FQDN of their own) |
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| 15:34.09 | deb_usr | hi... |
| 15:34.23 | deb_usr | in your opinion and experience |
| 15:34.26 | xand | helo: you need to tell exim to accept mail for that domain |
| 15:34.32 | deb_usr | what is the best desktop manager for debian ? |
| 15:35.00 | cast | e16! for wm |
| 15:35.06 | Ronin | deb_usr: the one you like |
| 15:35.06 | stew | S4nD3r: mplayer <url of stream> |
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| 15:35.22 | S4nD3r | I have vlc installed |
| 15:35.30 | deb_usr | i haven't experiment them all ;-) |
| 15:35.35 | stew | S4nD3r: vlc <url of stream> |
| 15:35.45 | Ronin | deb_usr: i doubt anyone has tried them all |
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| 15:36.05 | deb_usr | yes, but in your point of view |
| 15:36.10 | deb_usr | what is the bets ? |
| 15:36.14 | deb_usr | the best |
| 15:36.30 | stew | deb_usr: do you use a desktop environment? |
| 15:36.38 | Ronin | like i said the one you like, we all have different ideas of what's best |
| 15:36.50 | deb_usr | stew : yes, now i'm using gnome |
| 15:36.51 | Ronin | i prefer fluxbox personally |
| 15:36.56 | stew | deb_usr: then use gdm |
| 15:37.08 | stew | deb_usr: if you decide you don't like it, try xdm |
| 15:37.19 | S4nD3r | I need some URL |
| 15:37.20 | Ronin | heh i misunderstood teh original question i see :) |
| 15:37.21 | S4nD3r | to try |
| 15:37.23 | deb_usr | what is the diference ? |
| 15:37.24 | helo | xand: it is configured to accept mail from somedomain.com... it is a smarthost so it is trying to send the cron output mail to root@somedomain.com, just as it forwards mail to validuser@somedomain.com... i'd like exim4 to catch all mail to root@somedomain.com, but forward everything else somewhere else |
| 15:38.16 | stew | deb_usr: xdm isn't much more than a username, password box to login with. gdm is much more feature packed |
| 15:38.37 | deb_usr | stew : like ?? |
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| 15:39.07 | Ronin | deb_usr: look it up on google |
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| 15:39.37 | deb_usr | Ronin : i tried apt-cache show gdm |
| 15:39.44 | stew | deb_usr: session/window manager selection, auto-login, sound support, fine grained access control, themability |
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| 15:40.25 | helo | deb_usr: fluxbox is a minimalist yet powerful wm... more of a divergence from the MS Windows UI than kde/gnome... if you take the time to learn to use it, it's very effective |
| 15:40.25 | deb_usr | stew : yes i see, and for windows manager ? what is the best ? |
| 15:41.07 | stew | deb_usr: there is no best, and that is highly dependant on your personal preferences, working style, try a bunch until you find one you like |
| 15:41.28 | xand | helo: not from, for |
| 15:41.31 | deb_usr | helo : what is the difference between fluxbox and blackbox ? what is the best ? |
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| 15:41.40 | stew | deb_usr: there is no best |
| 15:41.41 | Ronin | deb_usr: go look |
| 15:41.58 | deb_usr | stew : ok no best |
| 15:42.01 | Ronin | flux is a fork off of black so they're quite similar |
| 15:42.08 | deb_usr | stew : all are best ;-) |
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| 15:45.32 | DragonD | lol... i was doing a man in the middle thing just messin around and then i was the man in the middle of a dos attack |
| 15:45.49 | helo | haha *kickban* |
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| 15:47.19 | jelly | DragonD: got that bluetooth working yet? |
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| 15:48.31 | _kb | re |
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| 16:00.47 | simonrvn | dead as a deadcow in here |
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| 16:01.54 | cast | as silent as some really silent thing |
| 16:02.13 | xingu | lambs? |
| 16:02.31 | cast | deadness and silence stalk this channel like two big stalky things |
| 16:02.40 | bitprophet_ | hmm |
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| 16:02.45 | bitprophet_ | we could start a vi/emacs flamewar |
| 16:02.45 | xingu | I've got a lovely drop of chianti in the rack |
| 16:02.55 | bitprophet_ | or get some Ubuntu newbies in here and make fun of them |
| 16:02.58 | mith | is there a way to install the 32bit iceweasel package on a 64bit debian install? |
| 16:03.01 | bitprophet_ | perhaps trash-talk Fedora or GEntoo |
| 16:03.03 | subx | nano rulez |
| 16:03.06 | mith | (x86 of course) |
| 16:03.09 | bitprophet_ | nano sucks, pico is king |
| 16:03.17 | cast | isn't pico nonfree? |
| 16:03.20 | subx | ubuntu is lame |
| 16:03.22 | xingu | pico's lame, use << and cat -vet |
| 16:03.23 | bitprophet_ | cast: probably |
| 16:03.27 | bitprophet_ | I use vim |
| 16:03.33 | bitprophet_ | I haven't used nano/pico in ages |
| 16:03.33 | cast | i use vim too |
| 16:03.36 | mith | nano and pico are both for people that don't understand the glory of a mode based editor |
| 16:03.54 | subx | who needs a mode just to edit text? |
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| 16:04.28 | mith | how can you edit text without seperate view/edit modes is the real question |
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| 16:04.49 | drbair_laptop | rebooted the server and window sizes are in the 90K's :-) |
| 16:04.55 | xingu | how you can edit text without separate what I typed and what I meant modes is beyond me |
| 16:05.20 | cast | i'm confused |
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| 16:06.37 | bitprophet_ | Real men wave a fridge magnet over the disk to rearrange the bits by hand |
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| 16:07.27 | xingu | disk? luxury |
| 16:07.55 | mastroDani | :) hi all.. there somebody here who know if i can use an american (115 V / 60 Hz -> 230 V two phase / 60 Hz) computer in italy ( 230 V single phase / 50 Hz )? |
| 16:08.04 | mastroDani | *there is |
| 16:08.24 | cast | hmm |
| 16:08.35 | cast | yeah, i think so. but you'll have to flip the switch at the back |
| 16:08.38 | stew | mastroDani: it depends on the power supply, but ask #hardware ; not us |
| 16:08.58 | mastroDani | stew: eheh :D i will |
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| 16:09.22 | cast | in the name of capturing max markets i have a feeling normal psu will work fine on 50-60hz, and 230-240V |
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| 16:10.04 | cast | does it say o nthe psu? :) |
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| 16:10.35 | bitprophet_ | cast: I'm seeing two phase vs one phase and wondering if he doesn't need a converter |
| 16:10.36 | xingu | I bet it says 100-120V or thereabouts and 220-260V or thereabouts, and 50-60Hz |
| 16:10.37 | bitprophet_ | not an EE though |
| 16:10.40 | mastroDani | cast: may be :) but may be they make different uh.. power converter ? ( how do you call it in english? ) on diffent country |
| 16:10.48 | cast | mine taks 230, 50hz or 60hz anyway |
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| 16:11.01 | bitprophet_ | yea, but is 230 one-phase and 230 two-phase the same thing? |
| 16:11.08 | bitprophet_ | you can never be too careful with this stuff :D |
| 16:11.16 | cast | wtf at 230 two phase? |
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| 16:12.00 | mastroDani | hum.. bitprophet_ i know that american SHOULN'T use something european because of the one-phase / two-phase thing |
| 16:12.02 | cast | good spotting @ two phase |
| 16:12.05 | mastroDani | i don't know about the opposite |
| 16:12.31 | eth01 | the specified debian archive mirror is either not available or does not have a valid release file on it.. <- it has said this on every single mirror :// |
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| 16:12.57 | simonrvn | eth01: installer? |
| 16:13.00 | eth01 | yes.. |
| 16:13.06 | simonrvn | if so which one? |
| 16:13.09 | cast | do some countries have homes on two phase? |
| 16:13.09 | eth01 | networking/internet issue? |
| 16:13.17 | eth01 | which one?? |
| 16:13.20 | jelly | bitprophet_: 230V one phase = 400V three-phase |
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| 16:13.35 | bitprophet_ | so confused |
| 16:13.36 | simonrvn | yes which one, etch, lenny ... |
| 16:13.41 | eth01 | etch. |
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| 16:13.54 | simonrvn | restart it :/ |
| 16:14.08 | blubs | anybody already tried bootcd ? I'm having troubel finding the cdrom at the boottime |
| 16:14.11 | stew | eth01: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:14.14 | simonrvn | otherwsie it'll keep doing that. could've caught in mid-update |
| 16:14.26 | cast | 'Three-wire, 120/240 volt single phase power used in the USA and Canada is sometimes incorrectly called "two-phase". The proper term is split phase or 3-wire single-phase.' |
| 16:14.30 | simonrvn | exact command? |
| 16:14.32 | cast | ahh, there's the confusion :) |
| 16:14.37 | cast | you guys run on single phase. |
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| 16:14.49 | simonrvn | dude, he's fetching the release file from within the installer FFS |
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| 16:15.08 | simonrvn | there is no "exact command" |
| 16:15.21 | simonrvn | not one the user would do.... |
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| 16:16.02 | stew | fine |
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| 16:16.12 | xingu | mastroDani: powersupplies are field replaceable. |
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| 16:16.21 | stew | eth01: if you are in the installer tell us the exact error youa re getting |
| 16:16.29 | eth01 | i have just told you. |
| 16:16.32 | eth01 | the specified debian archive mirror is either not available or does not have a valid release file on it.. <- it has said this on every single mirror :// |
| 16:16.42 | eth01 | the background is red. |
| 16:16.48 | stew | eth01: but it doesn't give you a url? |
| 16:16.52 | eth01 | No. |
| 16:16.58 | stew | eth01: can you check the console on alt-f3 to see if there is more information? |
| 16:17.14 | stew | simonrvn: i'm sorry i upset you so much by not realizing he was in the installer |
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| 16:17.19 | Aaron | hey |
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| 16:17.25 | Aaron | im having issued installing hal on sid, |
| 16:17.31 | simonrvn | stew: no, it's ok... |
| 16:17.47 | eth01 | aha, so you don't know your installer? |
| 16:17.56 | simonrvn | i apologise to losing my temper |
| 16:18.00 | eth01 | why is the netinst trying to download packages, and unable todo so. |
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| 16:18.10 | eth01 | its packages, not the release ;) |
| 16:18.16 | xingu | eth01: you might want to check to see if there's any networking configured at all, and find out if you need to use an http proxy on the network to which you're presumably attached. |
| 16:18.28 | eth01 | no http proxy is required. |
| 16:18.29 | SORMANOV | how can i prevent passwd from accepting simple passwords ? |
| 16:18.36 | stew | eth01: so it says its having trouble downloading the release file, but it isn't, its having trouble downloading a package? |
| 16:18.40 | eth01 | yes. |
| 16:18.43 | streuner | teach the users |
| 16:18.45 | mastroDani | cast: you guys run on single phase. »» hum.. so what? :D lol.. does it mean i can use that pc or not? |
| 16:18.45 | mastroDani | xingu: mastroDani: powersupplies are field replaceable. »» field replaceable? what do you mean ( sorry i'm not english ) |
| 16:18.45 | stew | eth01: how do you know that? |
| 16:18.51 | eth01 | the specified debian archive mirror is either not available or does not have a valid release file on it.. <- it has said this on every single mirror :// |
| 16:18.55 | mystic_pinguin | someone knows if all the ibm thinkpad works well whith debian? |
| 16:18.56 | eth01 | that is the error im getting. |
| 16:18.59 | eth01 | mystic: yes. |
| 16:19.04 | simonrvn | i've seen that sort of thing before, only way to restart the install. you're at a point where it doesn't matter very much, and it remembers where you're at |
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| 16:19.08 | stew | eth01: but how do you know the problem is not actually with the release file? |
| 16:19.10 | mystic_pinguin | eth01 and the sata hd? |
| 16:19.12 | jelly | mystic_pinguin: mine does (Z60m) |
| 16:19.13 | xingu | mastroDani: you can buy a new power supply if the one supplied blows up two seconds after you plug it in. |
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| 16:19.25 | eth01 | because its getting packages not the release.: ? |
| 16:19.25 | mystic_pinguin | noproblem whith sata hd? |
| 16:19.27 | streuner | mystic_pinguin: prolly god, but try /msg dpkg laptops first ;-) |
| 16:19.29 | xingu | mastroDani: fitting it is usually trivial |
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| 16:19.41 | stew | eth01: what makes you say that? |
| 16:19.49 | mystic_pinguin | ok thank you :) |
| 16:19.53 | jelly | mystic_pinguin: read about possible issues with your chosen model at thinkwiki.org |
| 16:19.57 | simonrvn | eth01: no it's not getting packages right now |
| 16:20.04 | daniele_982 | hello all. I've installed debian lenny but when i start i've: Begin:Waiting for root file system. /bin/sh: can't access tty: job control turned off and so (busybox) |
| 16:20.08 | simonrvn | it's getting ready to get them |
| 16:20.10 | eth01 | it's not no, its attempting to though :) |
| 16:20.13 | stew | eth01: did it successfully get the Release file then? |
| 16:20.13 | eth01 | yes. |
| 16:20.20 | simonrvn | it needs that Release file to set it up |
| 16:20.21 | eth01 | release file? |
| 16:20.36 | eth01 | Im going to start the installer again, see if that helps :) |
| 16:20.46 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 16:21.00 | stew | eth01: yes, the this error seems to be about the Release file, but you said, "because its getting packages not the release." |
| 16:21.08 | jelly | mystic_pinguin: there's also the ##ibmthinkpad channel. |
| 16:21.11 | mastroDani | xingu: mastroDani: you can buy a new power supply if the one supplied blows up two seconds after you plug it in. »» loool.. i would like to avoid the "blows up" part, if possible :D and i would like to avoid to buy a new adaptor if it is not needed |
| 16:21.13 | simonrvn | he made an assumption |
| 16:21.19 | xingu | eth01: check your network config on the console would be my suggestion; make sure your default route goes where it should |
| 16:21.22 | mystic_pinguin | jelly wow thank you veyr much :) |
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| 16:21.51 | daniele_982 | help me please. i'm tired |
| 16:21.56 | xingu | mastroDani: sure; just noting that if the power supply is no good, that it's likely to be readily replaceable |
| 16:21.58 | simonrvn | if s/he did dhcp and it's getting the release it's likely that hir networking is ok |
| 16:22.02 | Fahrenheit | Hello everybody, do you know a way (command line prefered) to convert dirty word html to clean html pages ? |
| 16:22.08 | streuner | !coffee daniele_982 |
| 16:22.11 | xingu | mastroDani: unless yo're buying something exotic like a pdp11 |
| 16:22.21 | simonrvn | daniele_982: if you're tired, go to sleep, or take a break |
| 16:22.25 | eth01 | i wasn't using DHCP, manually configured. |
| 16:22.30 | daniele_982 | streuner: help me |
| 16:22.38 | themill | Fahrenheit: tidy |
| 16:22.52 | xingu | eth01: so can the manually configured network address be pung from the gateway? |
| 16:22.53 | Fahrenheit | themill : it give me some error |
| 16:23.05 | stew | pung? |
| 16:23.07 | mastroDani | xingu: on #hardware they told me i can use it without problem, i cite: "[can i do bla bla] yes, switchmode power supply is pretty tolerant of wrong frequency" |
| 16:23.07 | simonrvn | xingu: hehe i like that "pung" |
| 16:23.12 | Fahrenheit | themill : can I force him to overwrite even if error occur ? |
| 16:23.24 | simonrvn | xingu: it's pinged btw, but i like pung |
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| 16:23.42 | xingu | mastroDani: there's lots of assumptions in that statement |
| 16:23.45 | streuner | daniele_982: did you install debian yet? |
| 16:23.54 | themill | Fahrenheit: you can force it to create a new file entirely. It's normally pretty good at handling dodgy word files though. With the right cmdline options it shouldn't generate fatal errors. |
| 16:23.54 | xingu | simonrvn: it's my word, I'll use it how I choose :p |
| 16:23.56 | daniele_982 | simonrvn: yes |
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| 16:24.12 | daniele_982 | streuner: Lenny |
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| 16:24.25 | simonrvn | you are tired, wow |
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| 16:24.30 | Fahrenheit | themill : ok thx |
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| 16:24.39 | streuner | daniele_982: and the installation process is finished, in which stage are you now? |
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| 16:24.41 | mastroDani | xingu: yep.. that's because i asked (and still waiting for a reply) "and what about the Voltage ? (and the different phase "split-phase" vs "one single phase" )" |
| 16:24.43 | streuner | haha |
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| 16:24.50 | SORMANOV | anyone ? |
| 16:24.51 | SORMANOV | how can i prevent passwd from accepting simple passwords ? |
| 16:25.00 | streuner | teach your users |
| 16:25.12 | daniele_982 | streuner: the installation is finished but when start: Begin:Waiting for root file system. /bin/sh: can't access tty: job control turned off and so (busybox) |
| 16:25.18 | xingu | SORMANOV: have you looked at /etc/pam.d/common-password? |
| 16:25.28 | simonrvn | SORMANOV: pam config only goes so far, gotta teach your (l)users too |
| 16:25.37 | SORMANOV | xingu, no, man passwd doesnt talk about it |
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| 16:25.47 | simonrvn | xingu: no, not at all </facetious> |
| 16:25.57 | streuner | daniele_982: you get that message when you start (reboot) Debian? |
| 16:26.07 | daniele_982 | streuner: yes |
| 16:26.17 | streuner | daniele_982: no shell, nothing? |
| 16:26.26 | daniele_982 | streuner: no busybox |
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| 16:26.45 | xingu | *LK* is the one true password anyway; dsa keys my good fellow. |
| 16:26.56 | streuner | daniele_982: tried another image? |
| 16:27.17 | streuner | daniele_982: Which one did you downloaded, tell us the exact URL? |
| 16:27.18 | daniele_982 | streuner: how? |
| 16:27.23 | daniele_982 | ok |
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| 16:27.54 | blubs | SORMANOV: thats a pam option |
| 16:27.57 | streuner | daniele_982: What arch do you have, btw? |
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| 16:29.37 | spheard | !ab |
| 16:29.37 | dpkg | ab is 'apache benchmark'. it gives you an idea on how the daemon processes documents. be aware of the various overheads like disk I/O, network, and other things when you use it. better yet, 'man ab'. |
| 16:29.40 | daniele_982 | streuner: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ Lenny netinstall |
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| 16:29.59 | simonrvn | oh boy |
| 16:30.02 | streuner | daniele_982: What arch? |
| 16:30.14 | daniele_982 | streuner: P4 |
| 16:30.25 | streuner | and which one did you choose? |
| 16:30.29 | daniele_982 | streuner: i386 |
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| 16:31.11 | streuner | daniele_982: just try d-i (etch/stable) now |
| 16:31.47 | daniele_982 | streuner: but no solve for testing? |
| 16:32.14 | simonrvn | it's just that, testing. the installer isn't stable (reliable) |
| 16:32.38 | streuner | daniele_982: usually folks from the installer team fix the error and make another iso... |
| 16:33.01 | daniele_982 | streuner: the problem isn't the installer but the kernel |
| 16:33.12 | streuner | kernel is part of the installer... |
| 16:34.10 | daniele_982 | streuner: ok but i want use testing or sid stable is old |
| 16:34.20 | streuner | old? |
| 16:34.23 | streuner | !etch |
| 16:34.23 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of debian stable |
| 16:34.37 | streuner | this "baby" is just 3 months old :-) |
| 16:35.05 | streuner | you shouldnt use testing, if you have problems to install that |
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| 16:35.22 | daniele_982 | yes but etch for example is for server not for desktop |
| 16:35.38 | streuner | no, etch/stable is for desktops as well |
| 16:35.38 | jjazz | In the control file from a .deb package, the installed-size field should be specified in bytes? |
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| 16:38.34 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 16:39.13 | stew | jjazz: my /var/lib/dpkg/status is showing some installed sizes < 100, it must be kilobytes or kibibytes |
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| 16:39.56 | Azar | SPI election results are out! Poor Joey lost .. again? |
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| 16:40.20 | jjazz | stew: Ah, ok. Thanks much. |
| 16:40.24 | abrotman | jjazz: hi! |
| 16:40.29 | jjazz | abrotman: hi! |
| 16:40.31 | Azar | stew you could win... if you were running |
| 16:40.43 | abrotman | Azar: which joey? Martin Schulze ? |
| 16:40.46 | stew | Azar: yeah. right. |
| 16:40.47 | Azar | abrotman: yes |
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| 16:40.51 | streuner | Azar: URL? |
| 16:41.01 | Azar | http://www.linux.com/feature/118301 |
| 16:41.01 | streuner | abrotman: there is only one |
| 16:41.10 | abrotman | streuner: joeyh ? |
| 16:41.22 | Azar | mister Schultze |
| 16:41.25 | streuner | sure, but joey isnt joeyh |
| 16:41.38 | Azar | er Schulze |
| 16:41.50 | solemnwarning | Is it possible to send SMS messages to my mobile from my landline using a serial modem? |
| 16:42.10 | Azar | ok how "deprecated" or "outcast" is MOC in Debian? |
| 16:42.13 | loupgaroublond | i compiled some python c extensions from scratch into /usr/local/share/python2.5/site-packages, but they aren't showing up at all, is there something disabled with python2.5 in lenny? |
| 16:42.25 | loupgaroublond | s/share/lib/ |
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| 16:42.48 | Azar | in the light of recently boot of xmms out of Debian... I am looking for a very simple, console based player |
| 16:42.59 | jlc | audacious |
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| 16:43.00 | jjazz | What happened to xmms? |
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| 16:43.02 | stew | didn't know richih and christel were running |
| 16:43.12 | Azar | they kicking good old gtc xmms |
| 16:43.14 | jjazz | Azar: I use mpg321 quite a bit. |
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| 16:43.32 | Azar | gonna check those as well, thank you guys |
| 16:43.35 | jlc | audacious/bmp is like xmms only newer :) |
| 16:43.49 | jlc | forked for gtk2 i believe |
| 16:43.51 | Azar | console based , command line players |
| 16:44.04 | Azar | back to the caves I go |
| 16:44.43 | pike__ | mpg321 or mplayer? |
| 16:44.53 | xingu | solemnwarning: if your phone company runs a suitable gateway |
| 16:45.17 | xingu | solemnwarning: they're getting pretty rare though. |
| 16:45.18 | solemnwarning | By phone company do you mean my landline providor or my mobile providor? |
| 16:45.23 | solemnwarning | xingu: What is? |
| 16:45.26 | xingu | solemnwarning: gsm provider |
| 16:45.29 | solemnwarning | ah |
| 16:45.52 | solemnwarning | So if O2 runs a gateway my machine can dial it with a serial modem to send messages? |
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| 16:47.06 | xingu | solemnwarning: exactly so; but good luck finding one. |
| 16:47.13 | spheard | Can I delete the /proc/user_userbeancounters or set the failcnt to 0? |
| 16:47.22 | mystic_pinguin | the touhpad in laptops they ussually dont give problem? |
| 16:47.23 | solemnwarning | Will any gateway work or only one owned by my GSM providor? |
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| 16:48.38 | jjazz | mystic_pinguin: Touchpads usually run out of the box, yes. |
| 16:48.48 | jjazz | mystic_pinguin: (or at least, that's been my experience) |
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| 16:49.07 | xsdg | I'm looking to access a machine remotely, but interact with the GUI that shows up on that machine's video card (specifically, OpenGL needs to use DRI). Any suggestions on how to do this? Could VNC work somehow? |
| 16:49.12 | jjazz | abrotman: You going to linuxworld in SF or London? |
| 16:49.51 | xingu | solemnwarning: depends on the way the gateway's been set up; by gateway, you're basically talking about a modem based access server and a custom application designed to resemble a paging gateway; ie recieve short text with some sort of routing detail and then send it to the sms message center for delivery. |
| 16:50.10 | dabreegster | Hi. Somebody has sent me a msword .doc and I'm having trouble extracting the images. antiword just says [pic] and seems to ignore my -i number flag. The pictures were created with MathType, but I'm pretty sure they're just stored as images. |
| 16:50.20 | xsdg | dabreegster: I like abiword |
| 16:50.32 | dabreegster | xsdg: It dislayed blank space where the pictures should have been |
| 16:50.36 | dabreegster | xsdg: catdoc did the same |
| 16:51.22 | xsdg | dabreegster: is the document large enough to suggest that it contains images? |
| 16:51.37 | solemnwarning | Do you know of any software I can use for sending SMS messages? |
| 16:52.00 | dabreegster | xsdg: 20KB... I'd say so. They'd be very small monochrome images with a simple equation. The rest of the document is three lines in ASCII. |
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| 16:52.02 | solemnwarning | I'm in the UK |
| 16:52.16 | alaya | apt-cache search sms |
| 16:52.19 | xsdg | dabreegster: dunno then |
| 16:52.24 | dabreegster | xsdg: Thanks anyway |
| 16:52.30 | xingu | solemnwarning: http://www.o2.co.uk/login?dest=http://sendtxt.o2.co.uk/webOriginate/action/viewHomePage |
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| 16:53.09 | solemnwarning | xingu: Not really an option, I want to configure this to send me a message if my server goes down :) |
| 16:53.11 | jjazz | xsdg: opengl has trouble with non-local connections |
| 16:53.48 | xsdg | jjazz: My point was that the GUI needs to run locally on the machine in question, so that it can use DRI on that machines own video card |
| 16:53.59 | xsdg | jjazz: I just need a way to interact with the GUI remotely |
| 16:54.04 | wlu | can anyone help with an xorg.conf that is posted on http://pastebin.com/d3bcf602b with the EE and WW from Xorg.0.log on http://pastebin.com/d4b9e4b1b |
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| 16:54.39 | earthian | hello, what is faster DD or CP with a 4.2GB DVD? |
| 16:54.40 | abrotman | jjazz: you paying ? |
| 16:54.50 | abrotman | streuner: his name ise still joey |
| 16:55.13 | xsdg | earthian: it shouldn't matter, as long as the dd block size is large enough |
| 16:55.21 | jjazz | abrotman: Um... they're paying. |
| 16:55.30 | earthian | oh |
| 16:55.32 | earthian | :o |
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| 16:56.09 | abrotman | jjazz: who is ? |
| 16:56.13 | xingu | solemnwarning: O2 sell the required connectivity; https://www.mediaburst.com/businesstext/pricing.asp |
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| 16:56.18 | earthian | so by default dd is slower than cp with the default settings etc? i.e. dd of=target if=source |
| 16:56.20 | earthian | only |
| 16:56.20 | xingu | solemnwarning: I doubt there will be a free service |
| 16:56.22 | abrotman | jjazz: they're not paying for me :) |
| 16:56.27 | solemnwarning | damm :( |
| 16:56.30 | xsdg | earthian: no idea |
| 16:56.39 | jjazz | abrotman: Try harder, talk faster, beg more? |
| 16:56.45 | xingu | solemnwarning: for low volume, it'll be cheaper to use a dedicated phone |
| 16:57.02 | earthian | ok |
| 16:57.07 | earthian | thanks all |
| 16:57.13 | earthian | :) |
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| 16:57.16 | solemnwarning | xingu: Probably a good idea |
| 16:57.17 | OmGWtF | ho |
| 16:57.20 | OmGWtF | eh, hi |
| 16:57.22 | xingu | solemnwarning: ie, dedicated mobile with high/unlimited text messages contract. |
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| 16:57.35 | OmGWtF | how can I operate the PC speaker (the thing what beeps at POST) from commandline?? |
| 16:57.50 | OmGWtF | I just want it to beep for five seconds |
| 16:57.53 | solemnwarning | OmGWtF: WitH BeeP |
| 16:58.42 | NelsonM | does anyone know of a good IPSEC on Debian document? |
| 16:58.59 | NelsonM | trying to get a tunnel set up between two debian boxes, maybe also some VPN goodness for a windows client someday |
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| 16:59.24 | OmGWtF | SolemnwarninG: tHx |
| 16:59.30 | OmGWtF | ;) |
| 17:00.00 | OmGWtF | solemnwarning: doesnt work :( |
| 17:00.00 | abrotman | jjazz: haha .. not likely |
| 17:00.04 | NelsonM | the docs I've found so far are all pretty low level. looking for ezmode ipsec :-) |
| 17:00.06 | abrotman | jjazz: when is LWE London ? |
| 17:01.43 | Azar | finally madwifi-old-openhal 100% free and available! :) |
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| 17:02.27 | xsdg | OmGWtF: printf '\a' will make it beep |
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| 17:02.41 | xsdg | OmGWtF: for finer-grained control than that, I'm not sure |
| 17:03.05 | Azar | xsdg: isn't that the system's bell? |
| 17:03.20 | Azar | is beeping from the belly, not from the speakers.. |
| 17:03.28 | xsdg | Azar: that's what OmGWtF is talking about |
| 17:03.39 | xsdg | Azar: "the thing that beeps at POST" |
| 17:03.41 | Azar | xsdg: oh I thought he wants to test the speakers |
| 17:03.48 | xingu | NelsonFx: it's a black art mostly; and anything that talks about racoon-tool is a nonstarter :) |
| 17:03.53 | OmGWtF | xsdg: no, nothing beeps |
| 17:04.07 | NelsonM | xingu: really? and racoon sounded like my best bet! |
| 17:04.12 | xsdg | OmGWtF: I assume you aren't running it in a screen session, right? |
| 17:04.15 | OmGWtF | no |
| 17:04.18 | OmGWtF | Konsole |
| 17:04.26 | xingu | NelsonM: nothing wrong with racoon; it's racoon-tool that's dying. |
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| 17:05.00 | NelsonM | ah ok. but if I start on the docs for racoon am I likely to get somewhere? |
| 17:05.04 | xsdg | OmGWtF: if you do `xset -q`, does the Bell section say anything useful? |
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| 17:05.19 | OmGWtF | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:05.39 | xsdg | OmGWtF: hmm |
| 17:05.52 | xsdg | OmGWtF: maybe try "xset b" and then try it again? beyond that, dunno |
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| 17:07.31 | xingu | OmGWtF: modprobe pcspkr maybe. |
| 17:08.05 | NelsonM | first thing I do on any linux server is snip the wires to that damn speaker :-) |
| 17:08.42 | abrotman | !beep |
| 17:08.43 | dpkg | [beep] /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 17:08.45 | abrotman | OmGWtF: &^^^ |
| 17:09.01 | metbsd | what do you guys see when you open http://gdd.ath.cx |
| 17:09.16 | abrotman | i'm not opening anything that ends in .cs |
| 17:09.17 | abrotman | cx |
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| 17:09.30 | metbsd | why not |
| 17:09.32 | NelsonM | Iran, Iraq, North Korea, and Christmas Island |
| 17:09.53 | mastroDani | cast, bitprophet, xingu, i solved the doubt ( stew was right ) it depends on the psu (power supply) some as a switch from 110 to 230 volt and vice-versa, some adapt itself to the net automatically, some does a sound if it is connected to the wrong voltage, some smoke a lot preparing itself to be throwen away :P |
| 17:09.55 | metbsd | thanks for helping me out |
| 17:10.17 | NelsonM | metbsd: I see some scam web page asking me to call a 390 number |
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| 17:10.48 | metbsd | im hosting a web server on netbsd vmware |
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| 17:11.35 | OmGWtF | re |
| 17:11.52 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:11.58 | xingu | I see a zone that's not delegated at the cctld |
| 17:12.18 | OmGWtF | abrotman: heey, one week ago I got my new PC chassis... |
| 17:12.20 | xingu | ath.cx is also embedded into more virus spore than you ever want to know about |
| 17:13.02 | cahoot | viral spores? |
| 17:13.09 | Azar | damnnn.. sidux is an eyecandy |
| 17:14.39 | abrotman | Azar: try #sidux |
| 17:14.53 | Alpounet | hi all |
| 17:14.57 | Alpounet | i'm having trouble with making an ethernet connection work |
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| 17:15.51 | xingu | oh that's right, ath.cx is dyndns.org; now wtf don't they have any whois. |
| 17:16.20 | Alpounet | i'm connected to a router |
| 17:16.27 | Alpounet | (with dhcp) |
| 17:16.47 | Alpounet | but when pinging any external ip, it fails, writing "destination host unreachable" |
| 17:16.58 | NelsonM | sounds like you don't hav ea valid route |
| 17:17.11 | xingu | aah, here we go |
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| 17:19.12 | Alpounet | NelsonFx, that's to say ... ? |
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| 17:21.23 | mystic_pinguin | jjazz do you use sata hd? |
| 17:21.39 | jair | HEY GUYS!anyone here going to the linuxworld in San Francisco? |
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| 17:22.40 | Alpounet | NelsonFx, still here ? |
| 17:22.52 | XtypeWriter74 | hi, i have an Acer USB Dongle ( Chip : ZyDAS 802.11b WiFi ) , is it supported ? |
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| 17:24.28 | XtypeWriter74 | can i use the deb.package from http://matthewpoer.freehostia.com/wordpress/linux-installation-reports/zydas-1201-chipset-under-debian-etch/ |
| 17:24.33 | XtypeWriter74 | to install it ? |
| 17:25.44 | Alpounet | it seems to be a good idea |
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| 17:27.20 | jair | There is anyone from here going to the LINUXWORLD? |
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| 17:27.34 | XtypeWriter74 | wheres that at? |
| 17:28.17 | jair | San Francisco |
| 17:28.20 | jair | US |
| 17:28.43 | XtypeWriter74 | wow, cool, next i get a chance to go to cali, i will go :D |
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| 17:31.29 | bitprophet_ | when is that again jair? |
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| 17:34.12 | jair | bitprophet_: in San Francisco |
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| 17:39.19 | bitprophet_ | jair: no, when, not where :D |
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| 17:39.35 | bitprophet_ | and yes I could visit the website but why bother when IRC is here! |
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| 17:45.45 | Ronin | bitprophet_: i think you have your order backwards :) |
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| 17:48.04 | Nach | I got a Logitech QuickCam, and I was wondering how to work it exactly. What steps would I have to take besides plugging it in and apt-get'ing an application like webcam? |
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| 17:50.50 | themill | Nach: depending on the exact camera, you might need a kernel module for it. qc-usb-source is needed by some. That module plays well with module-assistant |
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| 17:51.08 | spheard | Hi, I have symlinked to a file in /proc to be served by apache. Im getting 404's #apache say it is a selinux thing. any ideas? |
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| 17:51.50 | spheard | whois Arajag- |
| 17:52.47 | Nach | themill: so I just have to apt-get install qc-usb-* ? |
| 17:53.12 | abrotman | stew: ping |
| 17:53.21 | stew | pung |
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| 17:53.53 | SamuraiDio | how do i install a ttf font? |
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| 17:56.26 | lontra | SamuraiDio: drop it in /usr/share/fonts or ~/.fonts |
| 17:56.52 | stew | abrotman: ? |
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| 17:57.27 | SamuraiDio | lontra, do i need to restart X? |
| 17:57.36 | DevilChaos | hi ok so ive narowed it down to 2 possibilitys graphics card is nackered or 2 conflicting power tweak tools anyone any suggestions on my flashing screen its really bugging me now and am about to go and buy a new card if i cant fix it |
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| 17:57.55 | StucKman | hi all. a question about debian and xen: which kernel should I install under sid? under etch it's linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-686 |
| 17:57.56 | lontra | SamuraiDio: probably ... you can just restart apps too. what desktop? |
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| 17:58.10 | SamuraiDio | lontra, E17 |
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| 17:58.24 | lontra | SamuraiDio: restart X ... why not? |
| 17:58.39 | DevilChaos | 2.6.22-xen-686 |
| 17:58.43 | SamuraiDio | lontra, tnx |
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| 17:59.13 | StucKman | DevilChaos: I can't it in apt-cache |
| 17:59.21 | DevilChaos | why not? |
| 17:59.25 | StucKman | find it* |
| 17:59.34 | DevilChaos | have u upgraded from stable? |
| 17:59.44 | DevilChaos | testing? |
| 18:00.03 | DevilChaos | and made sure sources list is changed to that |
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| 18:00.22 | StucKman | DevilChaos: let me see |
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| 18:01.09 | DevilChaos | someone PLEASE help bout my screen |
| 18:01.21 | DevilChaos | driving me absolutly nuts |
| 18:01.36 | abrotman | stew: /msg ? |
| 18:02.01 | StucKman | DevilChaos: packages.debian.org can't find it either |
| 18:02.18 | StucKman | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=xen&searchon=names&subword=1&version=unstable&release=all |
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| 18:03.38 | DevilChaos | do nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:03.54 | DevilChaos | edit end of string to unstable |
| 18:04.03 | DevilChaos | on all of them |
| 18:04.16 | DevilChaos | then run apt-get update |
| 18:04.35 | StucKman | DevilChaos: I'm on unstale |
| 18:04.36 | DevilChaos | then the kernel package should apear in apt |
| 18:04.38 | StucKman | unstable |
| 18:04.59 | StucKman | DevilChaos: not even packages.debian.org can find it |
| 18:05.15 | DevilChaos | sorry dude cant help any more than that |
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| 18:05.33 | DevilChaos | aw try changing mirrors? |
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| 18:05.49 | StucKman | DevilChaos: mirrors.kernel.org |
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| 18:06.44 | DevilChaos | and what happens then? |
| 18:06.57 | StucKman | DevilChaos: I'm already there |
| 18:07.12 | DevilChaos | does it have it? |
| 18:07.41 | StucKman | DevilChaos: nope |
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| 18:08.09 | DevilChaos | o well keep trying |
| 18:08.31 | DevilChaos | anyone for screen problems ? |
| 18:08.36 | DevilChaos | please! |
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| 18:09.50 | DevilChaos | theres another possibility that i havent thought of untill now i could be my monitor |
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| 18:10.41 | Azar | StucKman: you _really_ needed to run Sid? |
| 18:10.47 | jelly | hmm, what's git equivalent of cvs update ? |
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| 18:10.55 | StucKman | Azar: not exactly, just asking |
| 18:11.00 | Azar | StucKman: I ask because those running Sid "know" how to compile a kernel |
| 18:11.44 | StucKman | Azar: I know how to compile one, yes, but I wanted to know if a server I'm developing could just install the packeges or compile it |
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| 18:11.56 | Solid | hi, does anyone know how to make a snapshot of a window every 0.1sec, and save each one in a specific folder, like 1.bmp, 2.bmp....x.bmp. |
| 18:11.59 | Azar | StucKman: if you do not have much experience, just run Debian Etch... is stable, easy to admin |
| 18:12.23 | StucKman | I can install the kernel images under etch with no problem; I just thougth under sid it would be as simple too |
| 18:12.37 | jelly | StucKman: as you wish. If you're tracing vanilla kernel you might be able to close the security bugs faster |
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| 18:12.54 | Azar | StucKman: Sid is "testing" and patching bugs before sending them to the Lenny are you a "tester" ? |
| 18:12.58 | fabio__| | hello, i've a very difficult question, how can i get the I/O ports of the cdrom unit? thanks |
| 18:13.02 | jelly | s/tracing/tracking/ |
| 18:13.04 | StucKman | Azar: I know that, thanks |
| 18:13.07 | spheard | spheard: Hi, I have symlinked to a file in /proc/ to be served by apache. Im getting 404's. #apache say it is a selinux thing. any ideas? |
| 18:13.18 | StucKman | fabio__|: what for? |
| 18:13.59 | fabio__| | i need to use it with "smart boot manager" to boot from cdrom on a old machine with a bios that doesn't support correctly the boot from cd |
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| 18:14.27 | fabio__| | so I suppose that since actually i've linux installaed on that machine with some magic command, i can get the i/o ports of the cdrom |
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| 18:15.07 | c_ | how do i edit gnome menus? |
| 18:15.26 | cahoot | fabio__|, in /proc/ioports? |
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| 18:15.46 | fabio__| | i look in it |
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| 18:16.56 | spheard | !selinux |
| 18:16.56 | dpkg | from memory, selinux is NSA's port to Linux of the FLASK security Architectur, called Security Enhanced Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. http://selinux.sourceforge.net/distros/debian.php3 |
| 18:17.12 | DevilChaos | must be an x config or a wrong sync rate or phase rate thats making my monitor do this anyone yet? |
| 18:17.31 | DevilChaos | ive tried unplugging and resetting my monitor |
| 18:17.36 | fabio__| | cahoot: i see multiple reference to "ide0" |
| 18:17.38 | fhd | hi, I'm currently installing debian 4.0 and am shocked: where's dselect? When I chose to install the component "Desktop-Environment", it starts to install all sort of gnome-only stuff like gnome-vfs without asking me. Can I only install KDE once debian is installed? |
| 18:18.15 | fabio__| | cahoot: the cdroom is mounted from /dev/hdb |
| 18:18.17 | Nach | fhd: you can install KDE without that |
| 18:18.31 | fabio__| | cahoot: it's primary slave |
| 18:18.33 | stew | fhd: yes, the default desktop task is (and afaik always has been) gnome. if you want a kde desktop, run aptitude, under 'tasks', 'user tasks' select kde desktop |
| 18:18.35 | bitprophet_ | fhd: fwiw my latest setup just used the 'server' option, assuming it would be more bare-bones, and then did an aptitude install kde |
| 18:18.36 | Nach | fhd: ignore the Desktop Enviroment and the GNOME stuff, and install kde & kdm |
| 18:18.43 | bitprophet_ | (well I actually did gnome but kde should be the same :)) |
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| 18:18.55 | DevilChaos | abrotman: you there? |
| 18:19.00 | fabio__| | cahoot: maybe is there a way to know the i/o ports associated with /dev/hdb ? thanks |
| 18:19.18 | fhd | what I'm basically asking is... is there a way to install kde _during_installation_ or do I have to install a desktop-less debian first? |
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| 18:19.52 | DevilChaos | !xconfig |
| 18:19.52 | dpkg | [xconfig] for kernels in the 2.4 series and earlier, apt-get install tk8.3, or for 2.6 and newer kernels, apt-get install libqt-dev (woody) or libqt3-mt-dev (sarge or sid), or for GNOME-heads, see gconfig |
| 18:20.14 | StucKman | fhd: dselect is deprecated. use aptitude. can't remember if the install procedure uses apatitude, tho |
| 18:20.19 | bitprophet_ | At what point did aptitude start being recommended for non-interactive use over apt-get? |
| 18:20.40 | dondelelcaro | bitprophet_: at the release of etch. |
| 18:20.45 | c_ | how do i edit gnome menus? |
| 18:20.46 | bitprophet_ | thought so |
| 18:20.50 | abrotman | DevilChaos: ? |
| 18:20.54 | dondelelcaro | bitprophet_: though we've been recommending it here since sarge |
| 18:21.05 | fhd | hm, ok then. (I have a german installer here, so I can only translate) Does "Default-System" (last option) include gnome stuff? I suppose not |
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| 18:21.31 | dondelelcaro | fhd: the desktop is the one that includes gnome (and kde, iirc) |
| 18:21.39 | fhd | dondelelcaro: wtf, both? |
| 18:21.40 | bitprophet_ | Honestly I never quite understood why Debian continues to offer so many different interfaces to apt, especially with apt-get and friends where you had to remember that searching was in apt-cache, not to mention dpkg, dselect, and aptitude |
| 18:21.54 | dondelelcaro | fhd: sure; no reason not to on a system with enough diskspace |
| 18:21.56 | bitprophet_ | it's good to see that aptitude does both install/remove stuff as well as searching |
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| 18:21.57 | DevilChaos | abrotman: any chance you can help with my flashin monitor im ready to throw it away |
| 18:22.07 | DevilChaos | and my pc |
| 18:22.10 | fhd | dondelelcaro: true |
| 18:22.13 | spheard | how do I tell if selinux is on or off? |
| 18:22.27 | dondelelcaro | fhd: but even if it doesn't install exactly what you want, it's fairly easy to install/remove it later |
| 18:22.34 | fhd | dondelelcaro: am I asked later if I want kde? I am able to set this up myself, just want to see how KDE-friendly debian currently is :D |
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| 18:23.09 | bitprophet_ | fhd: it won't ask you but you can easily tell it to install whatever |
| 18:23.21 | bitprophet_ | AFAIK Debian is entirely desktop-environment agnostic |
| 18:23.32 | bitprophet_ | aside from the default behavior of the Desktop setup as you found |
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| 18:23.45 | c`alin | bitprophet_: if you tell debian to installa desktop environment at install-time, it will install Gnome |
| 18:23.56 | bitprophet_ | yes, I saw ;) |
| 18:23.57 | c`alin | otherwise you will start with console-only |
| 18:24.09 | fabio__| | anyone knows if is there a way to know the i/o ports associated with /dev/hdb ? thanks |
| 18:24.12 | c`alin | but other than that there are >20 alternatives |
| 18:24.36 | bitprophet_ | out of curiosity is there an install option more "bare-bones" than the server option? It didn't seem to put on anything but an MTA which I believe Debian always wants to have installed, but I'm used to distros which generally don't even have an MTA by default. |
| 18:24.41 | dondelelcaro | fhd: if kde is installed, it should show up as an option in your display manager. [At least I thought it did.] |
| 18:25.06 | c`alin | dondelelcaro: yup |
| 18:25.06 | fhd | btw, is this installer somehow killable? it's such a rambo survivor, it just KEEPS installing, didn't help to kill all related processes with different signals |
| 18:25.10 | dondelelcaro | bitprophet_: yes, there are even more bare bones installs than that. Use the expert mode, only use aptitude to instlal exactly what you want. |
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| 18:25.34 | fhd | dondelelcaro: expert mode? where is that one? |
| 18:25.42 | bitprophet_ | dondelelcaro: does expert mode preselect a true 'base' system or could one use it to accidentally omit something crucial? |
| 18:26.09 | unsolo | stew: i managed to get http ftp and https working over lvs but for some reasons i just dont get i cant get smtp imap etc running |
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| 18:26.53 | dondelelcaro | bitprophet_: well, the secret expert installation mode (read: we don't need no stinkin' installer) allows you to omit something, but no, you'll always have the set of things that are Esential: yes and their dependencies installed. |
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| 18:27.09 | bitprophet_ | gotcha |
| 18:27.10 | bitprophet_ | good to know |
| 18:27.16 | dondelelcaro | fhd: you did read the helpful F2-F7 boot text when you inserted the cd, didn't you? |
| 18:27.24 | bluetooth-net | hi |
| 18:28.01 | fhd | dondelelcaro: no :D |
| 18:28.02 | bitprophet_ | not planning on reinstalling anytime soon, took bloody long enough last time (mini laptop with no internal removable media at all, and only had easy access to a USB floppy. Had to use Sarge installer and then dist-upgrade to etch, then lenny) |
| 18:28.14 | fhd | dondelelcaro: whatever, kde/gnome both is fine. was just wondering where dselect has gone in the first place |
| 18:28.31 | fhd | dondelelcaro: having both is certainly better than having to download 2 (!) different cds. ubuntu guys are really crazy |
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| 18:28.57 | metbsd | can qemu run nonx86 cpu on x86 cpu? |
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| 18:29.03 | dondelelcaro | metbsd: yes |
| 18:29.10 | dondelelcaro | fhd: dselect is still there, it's just not installed by default. |
| 18:29.19 | dondelelcaro | (there are some people who still use it) |
| 18:29.57 | fhd | dondelelcaro: really? I hate it. every old debian box I set up let me spend like 2 hours in dselect |
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| 18:31.26 | spheard | hi, Im trying to use a symlink access a file via apache2, I get permission denied errors is the log. someone suggested that is a selinux thing. could anyone help me test for this. the target has read access>> -r--r--r-- user_beancounters<< and the symlink has full permissions >>lrwxrwxrwx index.html -> /proc/user_beancounters<< |
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| 18:32.41 | metbsd | dondelelcaro, so i can run aix on intel with qemu? |
| 18:32.57 | c_ | spheard is the simlink to outside the document tree? |
| 18:32.58 | themill | spheard: do you have FollowSymLinks or SymLinkIfOwnerMatch enabled? |
| 18:33.03 | dondelelcaro | fhd: well, that's primarily because you don't know how to use it. There are some people (including the dselect developer) who find it completely logical |
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| 18:33.48 | fhd | dondelelcaro: I don't remember it quite well, but I found it highly complicated back then. and if I recall correctly. dependency handling was totally strange |
| 18:34.42 | dondelelcaro | well, it was complicated, but until aptitude matured a little bit, it was the only thing that could do reasonable complex operations on large swaths of packages at once |
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| 18:35.59 | Celtic | hi |
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| 18:38.44 | spheard | themill: I do, I have tested it with a file in /var/www/ I think the file I am trying to access is a Special File would this cause a problem? |
| 18:38.57 | metbsd | who invent the idea of conf.d in debian, shoot him |
| 18:38.58 | spheard | c_ yes it is |
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| 18:39.22 | Kerttuli | hello people! Can someone tell me how I can give non root users full write privelages to their /var/www/ directory on a remote ssh server? |
| 18:39.25 | spheard | It is /proc/user_beancounters |
| 18:39.29 | metbsd | i just don't get the idea of conf.d in debian, whyyyyy |
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| 18:40.04 | tarzeau | can someone tell me how i plot a sine curve at any angle i want? (say with rotation of 0 to 360 degrees)? |
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| 18:40.15 | abrotman | dan2: i just got your email .. from may ... |
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| 18:40.30 | dan2 | abrotman: I sent you an email? |
| 18:40.32 | stew | metbsd: exactly which directory are you talking about? in general, such directories are useful since you can't have two different packages which edit the same configuration file |
| 18:40.33 | Alpounet | tarzeau, asking on #debian isn't the best way to get an answer, i think |
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| 18:40.45 | abrotman | dan2: on that silly social netowrking thing you made me do |
| 18:40.47 | tarzeau | Alpounet: chances are high someone in here can tell me, say with gnuplot |
| 18:40.48 | dan2 | oh |
| 18:40.51 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:41.00 | Alpounet | tarzeau, #gnuplot ;) |
| 18:41.18 | tarzeau | Alpounet: it doesn't NEED to be gnuplot, that was just an example, any software within debian would do |
| 18:41.18 | metbsd | stew, conf.d, you know what im talking about |
| 18:41.20 | Alpounet | tarzeau, but it's offtopic |
| 18:41.24 | tarzeau | Alpounet: no it's not |
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| 18:41.36 | metbsd | stew, for exim, apache, ... i believe there are more |
| 18:42.04 | metbsd | stew, why's needed for a configuration file template. and a dynamic configuration file, plain stupid |
| 18:42.19 | Alpounet | tarzeau, it's a channel about debian, not GNU/Linux applications |
| 18:42.28 | stew | metbsd: see what I said about multiple packages not being allowed to edit the same configuration file |
| 18:42.52 | stew | metbsd: i don't understnd this non-sentence: "why's needed for a configuration file template." |
| 18:43.00 | Alpounet | at least, ask in #linux or for example #gnuplot(replacing by #<any other application> if you would like to do your stuff with an other app) |
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| 18:43.32 | Alpounet | however, you may get an answer for gnuplot on the dedicated channel |
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| 18:43.59 | rapha | hmm |
| 18:44.05 | tarzeau | Alpounet: debian software |
| 18:44.13 | rapha | how do you make chmod permissions into umask permissions? |
| 18:44.19 | rapha | I need to know 660 and 600... |
| 18:44.27 | tarzeau | Alpounet: #linux certainly would be the wrong place, i have debian and i asked about some help with some software inside debian |
| 18:44.40 | Alpounet | tarzeau, they are linux softwares, not debian software |
| 18:44.42 | Alpounet | however |
| 18:44.46 | stew | rapha: 777-660 - 117 ; 777 - 600 = 177 |
| 18:44.51 | tarzeau | Alpounet: gnuplot is not specific to linux only |
| 18:44.53 | tarzeau | Alpounet: most software isn't |
| 18:44.54 | Alpounet | #gnuplot doesn't satisfy you ? |
| 18:46.23 | rapha | thx stew! |
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| 18:48.56 | waltz | hello does there exist such a thing as a DSL/DSLAM emulator in debian? |
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| 18:49.44 | tarzeau | Alpounet: no it didn't, but some googling helped |
| 18:49.57 | Alpounet | ok |
| 18:50.06 | jeward | Is there a document describing how to set X up for a one-button mouse? |
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| 18:51.22 | roxy_ | I would like to run on my amd64 another debian stable and a windows XP at the same time, being able to log into one from the other. Is it what is called virtualization ? is xen a possible way to do it ? |
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| 18:53.26 | datadr|nker | do i need all 3 DVDs to install Debian Etch? is the installer graphical, text mode, or either? |
| 18:53.49 | datadr|nker | trying to get etch on a santa rosa laptop |
| 18:53.52 | c_ | no you can do a network install |
| 18:53.53 | jeward | datadr|nker: You csn install from one CD if you have network. |
| 18:54.13 | datadr|nker | the network would probably only be avail. through an ipw 3945 driver |
| 18:54.21 | datadr|nker | is that on the cd? |
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| 18:54.31 | raboof | *something* is resetting my /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:54.35 | raboof | how do I find out what? :) |
| 18:54.36 | datadr|nker | it would need to use the Ipw3945 driver + wpa_supplicant |
| 18:54.45 | stew | datadr|nker: no, debian doesn't distribute the ipw3945 firmware on any of the installers since it is non-free |
| 18:55.02 | datadr|nker | thanks for the quick answer |
| 18:55.22 | datadr|nker | so do 3 dvds really contain 1 etch install? |
| 18:55.33 | datadr|nker | or are the second 2 package repos? |
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| 18:56.06 | stew | datadr|nker: yes, the first contains the installer and lots of packges, the second two contain lots more packages |
| 18:56.06 | pickcoder | raboof: dhclient maybe? |
| 18:56.13 | Azar | jeward: I would guess that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg(or xfree86) would give you a choice |
| 18:56.14 | datadr|nker | stew: thanks |
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| 18:57.40 | themill | datadr|nker: there was a recent thread on the debian-laptop list about santa rosa laptops. Might be of use. |
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| 18:57.53 | datadr|nker | themill: gracias |
| 18:58.03 | datadr|nker | i know about some of the issues |
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| 18:58.35 | datadr|nker | does anyone know if the automagical GRUB configurer will recognize a vista primary partition like it does for XP in etch? |
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| 18:58.52 | datadr|nker | suse 10.2 just said "Windows" |
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| 18:58.59 | raboof | test |
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| 18:59.07 | xingu | tarzeau: annoyingly enough splot can do it with the mouse cursor (for a surface) |
| 18:59.07 | datadr|nker | i guess i will |
| 18:59.09 | raboof | pickcoder: turned out to be NetworkManager |
| 18:59.24 | tarzeau | raboof: hey! |
| 18:59.33 | raboof | hey tar! |
| 18:59.39 | tarzeau | xingu: well i need a function where i can set the degrees of rotation by parameter. nothing interactive |
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| 18:59.56 | tarzeau | raboof: ltns, how are you? |
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| 19:00.15 | xingu | tarzeau: one tute I'm reading cheats - ! convert ... :) |
| 19:00.57 | raboof | tarzeau: good! - though working a fulltime job put a lot of stuff on the back-burner unfortunately ;) |
| 19:01.36 | semprix | guys how do i stop services on boot? like apache |
| 19:01.37 | semprix | ? |
| 19:02.00 | tarzeau | semprix: man update-rc.d |
| 19:02.00 | datadr|nker | /etc/initrd.conf or something i think |
| 19:02.16 | tarzeau | datadr|nker: no, that doesn't exist |
| 19:02.24 | datadr|nker | oh sry ill shutup now :) |
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| 19:02.53 | mystic_pinguin | is true that the asus gs1is working well whith debian? |
| 19:03.00 | streuner | heh |
| 19:03.11 | streuner | use groups.google.com to find out |
| 19:03.27 | tarzeau | mystic_pinguin: gs1is is what? |
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| 19:03.43 | streuner | semprix: permanent? listen to tarzeau then |
| 19:04.17 | mystic_pinguin | tarzeau laptop asus g1s that have sata hd ... i listne say that is working very well and have webcam drivers and everything tolinux |
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| 19:04.38 | geekhead | Hi there |
| 19:04.42 | streuner | !tell mystic_pinguin about laptops |
| 19:04.45 | mystic_pinguin | is strange because i listen to say that the sata is giving problems to linux but ilisten to that this one is working very good around there |
| 19:04.47 | tarzeau | mystic_pinguin: debian most often supports what upstream supports |
| 19:04.48 | geekhead | Is the nvida-glx package currently broken in sid? |
| 19:05.03 | tarzeau | geekhead: possibly. for very new nvidia hardware? |
| 19:05.05 | streuner | !tell geekhead about bts |
| 19:05.07 | mystic_pinguin | streuner that what this websites say thta is working very well whith debian to i just think strange because have one hd sata |
| 19:05.11 | xingu | tarzeau: pretty sure you're stuffed; you can rotate a surface with set view |
| 19:05.19 | xingu | tarzeau: but no joy for a simple "plot" - only splot. |
| 19:05.35 | geekhead | tarzeau: missing kernel deb |
| 19:05.39 | tarzeau | xingu: well i need a function, not a "set view" or rotate bitmap stuff... don't bother, i have it somewhere in my notes |
| 19:05.41 | mystic_pinguin | that the question ... :X |
| 19:06.10 | streuner | geekhead: you need to read sid faq as well |
| 19:06.15 | xingu | tarzeau: I'm just reading stuff that indicates that the axis are fixed (you can rotate the ticks and labels easily enough) |
| 19:06.22 | streuner | !tell geekhead about sid faq |
| 19:06.32 | geekhead | streuner: i know that packages can be broken... |
| 19:06.35 | streuner | !nvidia one-liner |
| 19:06.35 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 19:06.50 | tarzeau | xingu: yep, but that's not what i need :) |
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| 19:07.52 | semprix | streuner, ok update-rc.d apache2 remove |
| 19:08.08 | semprix | then how about activating it again on startup ? |
| 19:08.20 | semprix | should i update-rc.d apache2 defaults? |
| 19:08.32 | streuner | nah, reinstall the package |
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| 19:08.49 | streuner | it create the symlink again |
| 19:08.58 | geekhead | streuner: nvidia-kernel-100.14.11 is missing... so I just asked if its currently broken - so i will install the driver by hand :/ |
| 19:08.59 | enouf | huh? |
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| 19:09.06 | streuner | apachectl stop would be more clever |
| 19:09.17 | streuner | enouf: huhu? |
| 19:10.02 | enouf | streuner: you need to reinstall a pkg after using update-rc.d to stop it at boot? |
| 19:10.08 | datadr|nker | anyone know why IPW is non-free |
| 19:10.34 | enouf | streuner: in order for it to be reactivated at boot time? |
| 19:10.36 | themill | datadr|nker: which particular package? |
| 19:10.36 | streuner | enouf: sure, if you delete the symlink :-) |
| 19:10.39 | jda2000 | how do I get a list of installed packages? |
| 19:10.50 | streuner | jda2000: dpkg -l |
| 19:10.52 | datadr|nker | themill: intel wireless 3945 |
| 19:11.11 | themill | datadr|nker: non-free firmware and binary only regulatory daemon |
| 19:11.12 | jda2000 | streuner: Thanks! |
| 19:11.19 | obsethryl | geekhead: i installed it by hand (i am using lenny), no problems whatsoever with manual installation |
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| 19:11.43 | enouf | streuner: wow - hehe, i wasn't aware update-rc.d did that .. i thought it renamed SNN to KNN or similar |
| 19:11.55 | stew | datadr|nker: the firmware does not come with source code, and the license doesn't allow modification |
| 19:12.00 | datadr|nker | themill: just doesnt make sense to me why intel did that |
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| 19:12.51 | stew | datadr|nker: and it looks like the ipw3945d doesn't allow modification either, i don't know if it comes with sourcecode or not |
| 19:13.01 | enouf | semprix: you could also do "/msg dpkg rcconf" (for slective toggling on/off of services in runlevel2 at boot time) |
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| 19:13.13 | datadr|nker | i don't see why they can't release something as unimportant as a wireless driver under the gpl |
| 19:13.19 | themill | stew: source code for the regulatory daemon... :P |
| 19:13.27 | datadr|nker | i don't imagine it contains industry secrets for WIRELESS DEMUXING |
| 19:13.38 | stew | themill: yes, i haven't looked at it to see if it comes with source code. i know the firmware does not |
| 19:13.39 | themill | datadr|nker: most manufacturers are keeping some sort of binary firmware blob kicking around these days. And intel got worried about FCC spectrum and power rulings. They thought they'd be in trouble if someone used their hardware to do something illegal |
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| 19:13.57 | datadr|nker | oh that clarifies it |
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| 19:14.04 | themill | stew: the whole point, unfortunately, of the regulatory daemon is that it's not open source |
| 19:14.06 | Gast729 | hello |
| 19:14.11 | themill | stew: :( |
| 19:14.14 | Gast729 | i come from germany |
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| 19:14.21 | Gast729 | is here a iran chat |
| 19:14.22 | datadr|nker | themill: can you kismet from an ipw device? |
| 19:14.30 | geekhead | Damn - I love Debian :) |
| 19:14.34 | datadr|nker | Gast729: this is the debian gnu/linux channel |
| 19:14.36 | streuner | Gast729: use /list <searchstring> |
| 19:14.40 | Gast729 | dd |
| 19:14.54 | themill | datadr|nker: no idea. you'd have to ask google. |
| 19:15.02 | datadr|nker | alrighty |
| 19:15.25 | themill | datadr|nker, stew: intel has reworked their firmware and the new iwl3945 driver doesn't need the regulatory daemon. |
| 19:15.45 | datadr|nker | themill: do you think i will find a .deb for it? |
| 19:16.14 | raboof | shall I make a tarball of your homedir here and put it up somewhere? might be the most convenient way. |
| 19:16.17 | raboof | egh |
| 19:16.30 | tarzeau | raboof: yes that's fine :) |
| 19:17.13 | themill | datadr|nker: there's a .deb in sid for the firmware. I don't know if the kernel driver has hit mainline yet so you might need to patch your kernel still. firmware-iwlwifi |
| 19:17.14 | xingu | raboof: sure just make sure you scoop up /etc while you're about it? |
| 19:17.38 | datadr|nker | themill: thanks so much |
| 19:18.05 | abrotman | raboof: nah .. send me yours |
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| 19:20.45 | xingu | datadr|nker, themill: iwlwifi is moving pretty damn quickly at the moment; also firmware-iwlwifi is still non-free |
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| 19:20.54 | xingu | is there a specific complaint about ipw3945? |
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| 19:22.08 | Marupa | hi, can someone help me write an init script and/or point me to an easy tutorial? |
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| 19:22.43 | streuner | !rc.local |
| 19:22.44 | dpkg | hmm... rc.local is /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.lcoal). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). as of 2.86.ds1-1, initscript has an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating s |
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| 19:23.15 | xingu | damn those inferior operating s's |
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| 19:23.21 | Marupa | so i do but don't use itt. how confusing. |
| 19:23.22 | themill | xingu: :) |
| 19:23.22 | raboof | tarzeau: that's weird - looks fine from here |
| 19:23.36 | tarzeau | raboof: *shrug* ? :) |
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| 19:23.49 | SoulChild | hey all,... i now have 1024 MB of RAM,... how can i make debian use it, too speed up things like boot ??? |
| 19:23.55 | streuner | hm, /etc/init.d/README is missing in that factoid |
| 19:24.09 | streuner | Marupa: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 19:24.20 | bill_ | SoulChild, boot it. :) |
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| 19:24.22 | Ind[y] | What is the similar of klipper for GNOME? |
| 19:24.22 | Marupa | streuner: tthanks. |
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| 19:24.34 | SoulChild | bill_: ^_o |
| 19:24.37 | streuner | !info klipper |
| 19:24.37 | Marupa | Ind[y]: glipper, as far as I know. |
| 19:24.52 | Ind[y] | ok, thanks |
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| 19:25.01 | bill_ | SoulChild, it will use all your ram as best it can by default |
| 19:25.04 | stew | streuner: i would assume it is discussed int the init.d factoid as well. one deosn't need to read /etc/init.d/README in order to know how to use rc.local |
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| 19:25.14 | dpkg | klipper: (clipboard utility for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.7-2+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 276 kB, Installed size: 776 kB |
| 19:25.22 | SoulChild | bill_: otay |
| 19:25.49 | semprix | guys just to clear things out |
| 19:25.56 | Marupa | all right then. question two. can someone help me figure out how to properly write the shell script? |
| 19:26.02 | semprix | run level 2 and runlevels 3-5 are the same |
| 19:26.05 | SoulChild | how do i install a tar.gz package in debian ? |
| 19:26.05 | streuner | stew: sure, but it doesn't hurd ;-) |
| 19:26.08 | bill_ | just make sure you don't have some old lilo/grub config that has "mem=128" or somesuch :) |
| 19:26.20 | semprix | and i dont want to start apache on boot where do i remove apache? |
| 19:26.21 | SoulChild | bill_: okay thank you |
| 19:26.26 | semprix | im using sysv-rc-conf |
| 19:26.41 | bill_ | but anything even moderately recent won't have a problem : |
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| 19:27.11 | stew | streuner: it does in that the factoid is already so long it is being truncated |
| 19:28.00 | Marupa | Anyone? |
| 19:28.03 | streuner | stew: ic |
| 19:28.40 | SoulChild | How do I install the original firefox packages |
| 19:29.46 | streuner | Why do you want that? |
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| 19:30.09 | SoulChild | hmm ,.. cause i don't like the iceweasel log :D |
| 19:30.09 | delliott | SoulChild, get it from mozilla.com and install into /opt |
| 19:30.09 | stew | SoulChild: what exactly do you mean by "original firefox packages"? |
| 19:30.24 | SoulChild | delliott: why into /opt ? |
| 19:30.25 | SamuraiDio | SoulChild, you dont like the logo? |
| 19:30.26 | stew | SoulChild: install a new theme on top of it |
| 19:30.41 | SoulChild | ^_^ |
| 19:30.42 | xingu | heh, this looks like fun - bootchart |
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| 19:31.14 | dkr | iceweasels are cooler than firefoxes |
| 19:31.14 | SoulChild | it's just, that i am used to the original firefox theme, name and logo |
| 19:31.19 | dkr | literally |
| 19:31.23 | obsethryl | dkr: lol why? |
| 19:31.36 | dkr | because ice is colder than fire |
| 19:31.53 | SoulChild | dkr: LOL |
| 19:32.30 | delliott | SoulChild, because that is where you install such things |
| 19:32.40 | dkr | what do you mean "original", anyway? mosaic -> netscape -> mozilla -> pheonix -> firebird -> firefox -> iceweasel ;) |
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| 19:32.51 | dkr | phoenix |
| 19:32.56 | xingu | dkr: but surely that means that iceweasels are hotter if you remove environmental effects |
| 19:32.58 | SamuraiDio | firefox logo is no good... whats the point of engulf the world with fire? |
| 19:33.11 | xingu | dkg: I'd expect an iceweasel to burst into flame at about 37C or so |
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| 19:34.34 | SORMANOV | just a philosophical question, i have two nodes cluster and need to name my nodes, what do you suggest me :) |
| 19:35.29 | obsethryl | raid0 ... pain |
| 19:35.38 | themill | SORMANOV: philosophers are always good choices... |
| 19:36.05 | asg | SORMANOV: node1 and node2 |
| 19:36.07 | xingu | SORMANOV: smith & wesson - the original point and click interface. |
| 19:36.18 | SORMANOV | themill, just to be unique :) i think about fish names :D |
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| 19:36.29 | tarzeau | .o(many names for the same crap) |
| 19:36.32 | Azar | I guess icewasel's name is not as attractive to some.. |
| 19:36.34 | stew | SORMANOV: hardcastle and mccormick ; starski and hutch |
| 19:36.45 | asg | stew: haha on the first one |
| 19:36.48 | themill | SORMANOV: b1 and b2 (you probably needed to grow up in australia to understand that one) |
| 19:36.49 | SORMANOV | haha |
| 19:36.58 | tarzeau | Azar: not that i care about the ugly names, nore their never ending namechanges. but the quality of it bothers me a lot |
| 19:37.04 | themill | SORMANOV: bert and ernie |
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| 19:37.15 | Azar | if it would be called say.... TORPEDO it will maybe stick |
| 19:37.23 | tarzeau | Azar: i mean massive memory hog and super slow big html table rendering. no css animated mouse cursors... wtf! |
| 19:37.44 | Azar | tarzeau: you refer to which one of two? |
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| 19:37.51 | tarzeau | Azar: all mozilla software |
| 19:37.57 | Azar | hehe yep |
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| 19:38.13 | datadr|nker | so Firefox isn't in etch because of graphics right |
| 19:38.15 | Azar | not to speak of bugs showing up everyday |
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| 19:38.24 | datadr|nker | it's a firefox clone called iceweasel? |
| 19:38.32 | Azar | I would say that "releases" with bugs are bogus |
| 19:38.45 | lontra | datadr|nker: it's an unbranded firefox ... not a clone |
| 19:38.55 | Azar | oops what I just said, omg |
| 19:38.58 | tarzeau | and there's a gnu iceweasel fork |
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| 19:39.10 | stew | datadr|nker: firefox was renamed to iceweasel in debian at the request of mozilla |
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| 19:39.33 | Azar | tarzeau: did you see mepis just came back @ Debian -base? |
| 19:39.40 | stew | datadr|nker: well they requested that we not call it firefox, they didn't request that we specifically call it iceweasel or anything |
| 19:39.41 | Azar | six month release is a sham |
| 19:39.44 | tarzeau | Azar: yes. but i don't care |
| 19:39.58 | asg | I think they should have called it TrouserSnake |
| 19:39.58 | Azar | well I was just aiming at timed releases |
| 19:39.59 | tarzeau | Azar: i mean it's just a debian based something with less softare, partly preconfigured |
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| 19:40.03 | datadr|nker | what's the different between gnu iceweasel and debian icewesel? |
| 19:40.05 | themill | datadr|nker: partly for the name and partly for the artwork. For once, the wikipedia entry seams reasonably accurate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_conflict_between_Debian_and_Mozilla |
| 19:40.14 | lontra | tarzeau: i'm attempting to package bub-n-bros as we speak |
| 19:40.30 | tarzeau | Azar: with software that's way behind: KDE (i mean interapplication communication and interhost communication is not advanced if existant at all) |
| 19:40.31 | Azar | lontra: a new game? |
| 19:40.39 | tarzeau | lontra: nice :) don't forget all the extra levels |
| 19:41.01 | tarzeau | lontra: be in #bub-n-bros so we can talk about it more. i'm willing to be co-maint and review/test the stuff |
| 19:41.06 | lontra | Azar: http://bub-n-bros.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:41.25 | Azar | tarzeau: I just think about quickly released software and versions on top of another quickies, on top of even more otehr quickies on top of a rushed OS version release.... what a lurky mud |
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| 19:41.53 | tarzeau | Azar: do you know the unix pipes in commandline? |
| 19:42.17 | tarzeau | Azar: that's what the gui world needs. select a text, no matter in what gui app, then right click, get context/service menu and run "define in wikipedia" |
| 19:42.19 | Azar | lontra: yayyy nice niceee |
| 19:42.27 | tarzeau | Azar: a NeXTSTEP invention |
| 19:42.37 | lontra | Azar: we'll see if i can package it |
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| 19:42.47 | Azar | tarzeau: thats a really nice idea |
| 19:42.51 | tarzeau | Azar: possible elegantly and easily with stuff like Foundation/ApplicationKit and Objective-C |
| 19:42.58 | tarzeau | Azar: idea? it exists, since 15 years |
| 19:43.18 | Azar | tarzeau: in practice? never seen such.. |
| 19:43.19 | tarzeau | Azar: it's just that KDE, Windows, and GNOME are still sleeping |
| 19:43.30 | tarzeau | Azar: never seen Mac OS X? they have it, it's called Service Menu |
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| 19:43.47 | tarzeau | Azar: GNUstep has it too, as well as the father of them all NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP |
| 19:43.51 | Azar | tarzeau: well then, that why I never seen it :) |
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| 19:44.06 | tarzeau | Azar: it makes working in the gui really efficient (just like the shell) |
| 19:44.34 | Azar | tarzeau: like me with openbox: no need for icons, everything is at the tip of a right click |
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| 19:45.10 | lontra | tarzeau: hmm ... python |
| 19:45.12 | tarzeau | Azar: that doesn't scale |
| 19:45.24 | Azar | figure of speech... |
| 19:46.20 | Azar | tarzeau: because the gui of kde, windows and gnome aim at using "users" with a graphical only (images, pictures) instead of text.... they seem to run away from any "text" involved in the interface |
| 19:46.22 | semprix | apt-spy is not on etch? |
| 19:46.35 | abrotman | sure it is |
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| 19:47.05 | semprix | ok thanks |
| 19:47.29 | tarzeau | Azar: so they don't need microsoft word, nor openoffice writer anymore? I doubt! |
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| 19:48.09 | tarzeau | Azar: besides that was only an example, in nextstep/openstep you can select graphics, sound (anything) (for mark,edit,copy,cut,paste) unlike in X11. and do stuff on it (with other applications via the services menu) |
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| 19:48.22 | Azar | tarzeau: exageratting a bit maybe but with "auto completion" "spellchecker" and other stuff one barely reaches to type in some words... not to speak of "templates" |
| 19:48.28 | tarzeau | Azar: i just tried to use the text example because it's the most simple to understand by unix ppl |
| 19:48.45 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 19:48.55 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 19:50.35 | ircole34321 | hello! |
| 19:50.55 | TrueDD | hello ircole34321 |
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| 19:51.25 | ircole34321 | Is there a way to make the debian installer look to another device like dev/hda1 for the install files? |
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| 19:51.45 | ircole34321 | instead of the cd? |
| 19:54.41 | Azar | lontra: now that I look better, I remember I used to play that game.... but never had a Mac.... it must be something from Amiga or Commodore |
| 19:55.12 | lontra | Azar: nintendo 8-bit! bubble bobble |
| 19:55.19 | Azar | oh yes! |
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| 19:58.42 | Deepa|Away | bleh |
| 19:58.47 | Deepa|Away | I installed proftp and proftpd-mysql |
| 19:58.52 | Deepa|Away | Starting ftp server: proftpd - IPv6 getaddrinfo 'abused.armchairs.be' error: Name or service not known |
| 19:58.55 | Deepa|Away | and it refuses to work |
| 19:59.08 | Deepa|Away | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 19:59.08 | Deepa|Away | Connected to localhost. |
| 19:59.08 | Deepa|Away | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 19:59.08 | Deepa|Away | Connection closed by foreign host. |
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| 20:02.30 | futlib | hi, I'm sorta new to debian. I want to install generator (a sega genesis emulator), but it's not in synaptic. does anyone know where I can get it for deb? |
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| 20:03.47 | SamuraiDio | futlib, it doesn't exist. you'll have to compile it yourself |
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| 20:04.15 | SamuraiDio | futlib, or you can search at apt-get.org, but take care with what you find there, its unnoficial |
| 20:05.04 | petemc | futlib: apt-cache search emulator|grep -i sega |
| 20:05.25 | futlib | there's another problem - I'm on amd64 |
| 20:05.28 | cmacis | there are one or 2 megadrive emulators in synaptic I think |
| 20:05.32 | futlib | is it likely to find some binaries? |
| 20:05.45 | futlib | cmacis, none in amd64, not with the default sources |
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| 20:05.58 | petemc | there should be some in non-free , duno if they work on 64bit |
| 20:06.10 | lontra | futlib: what about degen? |
| 20:06.14 | lontra | futlib: dgen |
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| 20:06.38 | kervan | why do I see allways unassociated at iwconfig? this is my paste: http://rafb.net/p/dIqdcK63.html ---> I configured my device with "iwconfig" and reconfigured with "network-admin". Can you help me please? |
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| 20:06.48 | futlib | lontra, hm, well, never used it. no gui and the creator itself says one should better use generator (on his site) |
| 20:06.59 | futlib | lontra, but I don't have dgen binaries here neither |
| 20:07.08 | kervan | I can not Connet to net with my Wireless card |
| 20:07.18 | lontra | kervan: what card? |
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| 20:07.49 | kervan | my module is ipw2100 it is an intel based wireless card. |
| 20:08.02 | rokra | someone know how to config exim? |
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| 20:08.29 | petemc | rokra: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config for a debconf front end |
| 20:08.30 | lontra | kervan: what's the card from lscpi? have you tried modprobe ipw2100? |
| 20:08.45 | asg | rokra: the spec in /usr/share/doc/exim4/ is very thorough |
| 20:09.06 | asg | rokra: there's always #exim if you get stuck |
| 20:09.09 | rokra | I need to put a special acl for a shared folder |
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| 20:09.29 | rokra | I need help for advanced conf |
| 20:10.26 | kervan | lontra: 01:03.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04) |
| 20:11.08 | lontra | kervan: Note: ipw2100 has been merged into mainline kernel with 2.6.14 |
| 20:11.21 | kervan | lontra: I have configured all modules I cann se with "modprobe" "iwconfig" "ifconfig" etc.etc. but I can not confiugre with iwconfig... |
| 20:11.51 | kervan | I can see with "modprobe" ..... I mean. Sorry |
| 20:11.53 | lontra | kervan: but it shows up on lsmod? |
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| 20:12.55 | kervan | lsmod | grep ipw -->"ipw2100 63952 0" -- "ieee80211 29416 1 ipw2100" --- "firmware_class 9600 2 pcmcia,ipw2100" |
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| 20:13.22 | lontra | kervan: and you do or don't see this device with ifconfig? |
| 20:13.53 | kervan | I see as eth2 with ifconfig |
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| 20:14.05 | lontra | kervan: ok ... and iwconfig shows it too? |
| 20:14.12 | kervan | yes |
| 20:14.30 | lontra | kervan: ok ... dhcp? |
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| 20:14.46 | kervan | I use wired network with dhcp |
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| 20:15.09 | lontra | kervan: ok ... then as root: dhclient eth2 ... that should connect you |
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| 20:17.56 | kervan | lontra: DHCPDISCOVER on eth2 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 14 ---> No DHCPOFFERS received. --->No working leases in persistent database - sleeping. |
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| 20:18.06 | kervan | not worked... |
| 20:18.22 | lontra | kervan: do you see networks with iwlist --scanning? |
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| 20:18.39 | unsolo | i need a hand with lvs i cant seem to get smtp + imap + pop to get routed properly while http https and ftp does |
| 20:18.42 | lontra | kervan: err ... iwlist scanning |
| 20:18.46 | kervan | yes I can see one network |
| 20:19.00 | lontra | kervan: encrypted? |
| 20:19.05 | kervan | yes |
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| 20:19.17 | lontra | kervan: have you set the key with iwconfig? |
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| 20:19.55 | kervan | I have set it like this : --> iwconfig eth2 enc s:mypassword |
| 20:20.20 | lontra | kervan: i thought it was iwconfig eth2 essid blah key blah ? |
| 20:21.46 | lontra | kervan: btw ... do you use kde or gnome? if you do may i suggest network-manager |
| 20:21.53 | kervan | I worked to set with this threee commands "iwconfig eth1 mode Managed" --> "iwconfig eth1 essid mynetwork" --> "iwconfig eth1 enc mypassword" |
| 20:22.35 | kervan | lontra: I use Gnome. I worket to setup with network-admin but didn't work too... |
| 20:23.00 | lontra | kervan: what about network-manager? |
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| 20:23.04 | lontra | kervan: etch? |
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| 20:24.33 | kervan | lontra: how can I run network-manager. apt-get says me this packed was installed before. |
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| 20:24.43 | GiraffenXer | hi i've DL all 3 etch dvd-ISO's , is it possible to mount the iso's as "Repositorys" |
| 20:24.55 | lontra | kervan: run command: nm-applet |
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| 20:26.26 | obsethryl | hmm uuid based fstab resolves all my issues with lvm ecc on .21 kernels |
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| 20:26.37 | obsethryl | you gotta love udev |
| 20:26.40 | obsethryl | :s |
| 20:27.04 | lontra | GiraffenXer: you can add them to sources.list |
| 20:27.07 | lontra | !apt-cdrom |
| 20:27.07 | Mole | anyone having problems in sid running aterm.xmms or mplayer? they all segfault for me since yesterday :( |
| 20:27.08 | dpkg | i guess apt-cdrom is used to add new CDROMS to the apts list of available sources |
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| 20:27.16 | lontra | GiraffenXer: use apt-cdrom |
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| 20:27.32 | GiraffenXer | dont want to use the dvds |
| 20:27.50 | GiraffenXer | rather leave the isos |
| 20:27.50 | lontra | GiraffenXer: you don't? i thought you said you did? |
| 20:28.03 | GiraffenXer | i have downloaded the dvd isos |
| 20:28.16 | lontra | GiraffenXer: ah ... you want to use the .isos not dvds |
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| 20:28.35 | GiraffenXer | yes :) |
| 20:28.37 | TiMiDo | hey im running debian etch and im getting this error while running startx Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc, removing from list! |
| 20:28.40 | TiMiDo | Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc, removing from list! |
| 20:28.43 | TiMiDo | any ideas? |
| 20:28.54 | lontra | GiraffenXer: hmm ... i don't know how to do that ... i bet you can though somehow ... set up a repository locally maybe |
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| 20:29.06 | schoppenhauer | Hello. First of all: I think ZzZzZzZ is a spambot. He sent me "22:27 <ZzZzZzZ> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos" and didnt answer |
| 20:29.23 | schoppenhauer | You should consider kicking him |
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| 20:29.51 | Manoj | hi folks |
| 20:29.55 | kervan_ | kervan>lontra: that was my mistake. I see nm-applet but didn't use it. |
| 20:29.57 | kervan_ | <kervan>I worked to confiugre manually...thanks a lot for your helps. |
| 20:29.58 | kervan_ | <kervan>now I can connect |
| 20:30.14 | lontra | kervan_: great! |
| 20:30.17 | lontra | hi Manoj |
| 20:30.25 | Manoj | I am testing out todays netinst iso for lenny. I'm trying to install on a new laptop, so it already has a windows partition I don't want to delete. I also wanted to try out the encrypted lvm approach |
| 20:30.38 | Manoj | there seems to be no obvious way I can get there -- am I missing somethiung obvious? |
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| 20:30.53 | jwickard | anyone know of any good visual diff tools for gnome? |
| 20:30.55 | kervan_ | Thanks a lot bye. |
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| 20:31.04 | Manoj | The disk partitiopnaing scheme allows me to either use the whole disk with encrypted lvm; or I can partition the disk on my own, including lvm -- but I don't see how I can get cryptsetup involved |
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| 20:31.40 | Joint | hey |
| 20:31.45 | schoppenhauer | But what I wanted to ask is: I want to install the nvidia-driver under the newest kernel in debian lenny. But it doesnt work for... I think some licensing reasons (some Symbols are not defined). Though searching in google i didnt find a possibility to install it using for example module-assistant or at least not having to compile the whole kernel myself. Does anybody know a howto to do so? |
| 20:32.23 | Manoj | schallstrom_: I am running the latest kernel in Sid with nvidia drivers (using nvidia-kernel-source and linux-headers and compiling locally) |
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| 20:32.27 | Joint | im having issued with my X |
| 20:32.29 | Joint | any help please? |
| 20:32.43 | Manoj | grrr. darned nick completion |
| 20:32.47 | lontra | Joint: what kind? |
| 20:32.53 | Joint | lontra: can you join flood? |
| 20:32.55 | Joint | for one minute |
| 20:33.00 | lontra | Joint: sure |
| 20:33.02 | Joint | thanks |
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| 20:33.58 | Joint | that's the error im getting lontra |
| 20:34.27 | Mole | anyone having problems in sid running aterm.xmms or mplayer? they all segfault for me since yesterday :( |
| 20:34.38 | schoppenhauer | Manoj: did you mean me? |
| 20:34.40 | lontra | Joint: fonts huh ... do you have x-ttcidfont-conf installed? |
| 20:34.52 | Manoj | schoppenhauer: I did |
| 20:35.01 | Joint | nope lontra |
| 20:35.16 | lontra | Joint: maybe that would make a difference . . . |
| 20:35.18 | schoppenhauer | Manoj: hm. how did you install it? i used m-a a-i nvidia and this didnt work. |
| 20:35.19 | Manoj | schoppenhauer: Compiling the nvidia kernel modules worked as advertized for me |
| 20:35.29 | schoppenhauer | Manoj: advertized? |
| 20:35.34 | Joint | lontra: now im having another issued |
| 20:35.36 | Joint | look in #flood |
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| 20:35.56 | Joint | that error |
| 20:35.58 | Manoj | schoppenhauer: I am old fashioned. I instyalled linux-header-XYZ (same as the linux-image-XYZ i am running); |
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| 20:36.16 | SORMANOV | how can i restore data from a rm command |
| 20:36.21 | Manoj | schoppenhauer: cd /usr/local/src/; tar zvvfx /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-source.tar.gz; |
| 20:36.29 | lontra | Joint: aiglx ... is your card supported? |
| 20:36.30 | Manoj | schoppenhauer: cd module/nvidia |
| 20:36.39 | Joint | lontra: i have an nvidia |
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| 20:37.04 | schoppenhauer | Manoj: hm. i never did this. i would though like better to use module-assistant if possible. is there a way? |
| 20:37.10 | Manoj | schoppenhauer: KSRC=/usr/src/linux-header-XYZ KVERS=XYZ ./debian-rules binary-modules |
| 20:37.20 | pickcoder | SORMANOV: use a backup copy |
| 20:37.33 | lontra | Joint: are you use the propreitary nvidia drivers? |
| 20:37.34 | Manoj | schoppenhauer: I never learned how to use module assistant (I usually just use raw kernel-package |
| 20:37.42 | Joint | lontra: im using nv |
| 20:37.45 | Joint | for now |
| 20:37.45 | unsolo | i need a hand with lvs i cant seem to get smtp + imap + pop to get routed properly while http https and ftp does anyone wth some knowledge around |
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| 20:38.01 | lontra | Joint: you need the proprietary nvidia drv for aiglx |
| 20:38.05 | SORMANOV | pickcoder, i've lost my backups :( the nas was full and didnt detect that since two months |
| 20:38.24 | Joint | lontra: how? |
| 20:38.26 | Joint | *huh |
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| 20:38.34 | lontra | !nvidia one-liner |
| 20:38.34 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 20:38.35 | pickcoder | !revocer |
| 20:38.37 | pickcoder | gah |
| 20:38.39 | pickcoder | !recover |
| 20:38.39 | dpkg | well, recover is http://recover.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:38.42 | schoppenhauer | Manoj: Ok. And I never did it raw... So I want to try it different, first. But thank you. Is your way described somewhere? |
| 20:38.48 | schoppenhauer | lontra: thanks. |
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| 20:38.58 | stew | Manoj: i've never done cryptsetup in lvm manually, but i know that partman won't start showing you options until you have created appropriate partitions, like it won't start showing you raid options until you've created a raid partition, have you created an lvm partition? |
| 20:39.00 | lontra | schoppenhauer: oh that was for Joint ;) |
| 20:39.02 | Joint | lontra: im doing an dist-upgrade right now to lenny, |
| 20:39.19 | lontra | Joint: ok |
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| 20:39.46 | Manoj | stew: yes; let me see if I can edit the lvm partitions and ask them to be encrypted |
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| 20:40.27 | schoppenhauer | lontra: hm... but seems like this wont work on lenny. |
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| 20:40.37 | pickcoder | SORMANOV: you'll be lucky to recover a file if you have a lot of disk I/O |
| 20:40.57 | lontra | !tell schoppenhauer about nvidia_post_etch |
| 20:41.36 | Manoj | Hmm. nvidia-settings; never knew about that |
| 20:41.44 | SORMANOV | pickcoder, how ? |
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| 20:42.02 | kervan_ | I can not delete any file at hda5. This is a fat32 partition. How can I delete? this is my /etc/fstab : http://rafb.net/p/njo11S80.html |
| 20:42.04 | edrin | hi |
| 20:42.05 | pickcoder | aptitude install recover |
| 20:42.10 | pickcoder | it will only work with ext2 |
| 20:42.36 | pickcoder | your best bet is if no new files have been created or any files have changed |
| 20:43.45 | edrin | my soundcard plays music however there is absolutely no bass. OS: debiant etch, soundcard: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97], soundmixer: ALSA |
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| 20:43.50 | edrin | what can I do? |
| 20:43.55 | pickcoder | if it's on a NAS, then I'm not sure you'll have much luck with recover |
| 20:44.14 | pickcoder | wouldn't hurt to try |
| 20:45.04 | Mr-R | kervan: your userid is 777? not 1000? |
| 20:45.09 | dead1ock | hi |
| 20:45.11 | Tremitos | hey |
| 20:45.20 | MoDaX | edrin: have tried playing with mixer switches? |
| 20:45.25 | MoDaX | have you* |
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| 20:45.46 | kervan | Mr-R: how can I do writable for all users? |
| 20:45.51 | obsethryl | hmm ok i totally resolved a strange issue of mine with debian lenny in both .21 and .22 kernel installs |
| 20:46.19 | edrin | MoDaX: yes. i played with alsamixer and tried everything. this did not help |
| 20:46.36 | obsethryl | apparently the only way to resolve issues with lvm2+raid6 arrays with hotswap for the disks is to rely on uuid |
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| 20:46.50 | obsethryl | cast: are you here? |
| 20:47.07 | edrin | MoDaX: any other suggestion? |
| 20:47.55 | MoDaX | edrin: try another kernel |
| 20:48.42 | MoDaX | edrin: e.g. 2.6.21 from backports.org |
| 20:48.56 | Mr-R | kervan: i think its umask=0000, but i am not sure. |
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| 20:49.16 | lontra | kervan: you want vfat writable? |
| 20:49.27 | Mr-R | lontra: world writable |
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| 20:49.47 | kervan | I can write with uid=1000 but i want to writable for all users |
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| 20:50.09 | lontra | ah |
| 20:50.11 | MoDaX | kervan: umask=000 |
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| 20:51.59 | kervan | yes works great now. |
| 20:52.02 | kervan | thanks |
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| 20:53.55 | unsolo | stew: you around ? |
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| 20:54.28 | stew | unsolo: sorta |
| 20:55.42 | unsolo | im a bit stuck cant get mail service back online on my lvs |
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| 20:56.43 | unsolo | and i cant figure out why http https and ftp works while smtp fails |
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| 20:57.12 | dkg | Those are the sort of questions that keep me up at night |
| 20:58.24 | unsolo | dkg: oh |
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| 20:58.54 | unsolo | anyways |
| 20:59.02 | Blazeix | does anybody know what permission scripts in init.d are run under? |
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| 20:59.11 | unsolo | im going to get angry phone calls from the email users soon unless i get this back up |
| 20:59.14 | Sweetandy | I'm using Claws Mail and when I am typing a message, I type a word like "wish" and it discredits the i, making it "wsh" and instead removes the ruler from the viewer |
| 20:59.26 | Sweetandy | It's apparently a keyboard shortcut - but that doesn't make any sense. |
| 20:59.49 | Manoj | Blazeix: I think they run as root (and as initd_t in selinux), but I need to go look it up |
| 21:00.18 | Blazeix | o.k., thanks for the info. I googled, but couldn't seem to find it anywhere. |
| 21:00.29 | CrippsFX | does anyone else here use the gulus.usherbrooke.ca apt repo? I'm getting " Could not resolve 'gulus.usherbrooke.ca'" errors even after "apt-get clean all; apt-get update; apt-get --fix-missing" ...are there any other suggestions as to what I could possibly do to resolve the issue? |
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| 21:01.02 | obsethryl | hey guys |
| 21:01.10 | obsethryl | anyone of the fedorasolved community in here |
| 21:01.16 | obsethryl | i must do an update on one of my postings |
| 21:01.18 | Sweetandy | I mean, why would a keyboard shortcut be a single letter when people USE those letters in the messages they type? Is there a reason it's catching it now but not at other times? |
| 21:01.18 | obsethryl | thanks |
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| 21:02.07 | schoppenhauer | lontra: do i have to run the first inliner before the second or the other way around? |
| 21:02.43 | mfrisch | anyone know what CD ndiswrappers is on!?!? |
| 21:03.00 | lontra | schoppenhauer: not sure i understand |
| 21:03.43 | stew | unsolo: you'll have to give us some more information if anyone is going to be able to help you |
| 21:03.49 | schoppenhauer | lontra: what does update-pciids do except updating the database of pciids... after this, doing m-a a-i nvidia is just what ive done and what didnt work for me |
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| 21:04.09 | mfrisch | stew your site has this info ??? |
| 21:04.19 | lontra | schoppenhauer: unfortunately i know nothing about nvidia ... i've never had to set it up on my machine so i can't help you ... sorry |
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| 21:04.29 | stew | mfrisch: /msg dpkg which cd |
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| 21:04.39 | mfrisch | stew THANKS |
| 21:04.45 | stew | mfrisch: i stopped maintaining my page once there was an official debian page with the info |
| 21:05.11 | unsolo | stew: ok im trying to run heartbeat + ldirectord |
| 21:06.32 | unsolo | my ipvsadm -L -n looks like http://rafb.net/p/RjVMXd70.html |
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| 21:08.06 | unsolo | my ldirectord.cf looks like http://rafb.net/p/vqP5fX89.html |
| 21:08.20 | unsolo | i might be doing something wrong |
| 21:08.25 | unsolo | in ldirectord |
| 21:08.54 | mfrisch | stew I am confused...it is on many. |
| 21:08.59 | schoppenhauer | ha. that inliner failed. |
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| 21:09.10 | mfrisch | stew different versions or something. |
| 21:09.45 | schoppenhauer | *please* help me. i have no idea what to do. anything i see is "FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops'". |
| 21:09.52 | schoppenhauer | module-assistant fails |
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| 21:10.45 | schoppenhauer | i mean this is what i asked... i think you should tell this to your friendly dpkg-bot |
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| 21:11.14 | stew | unsolo: try asking #linux-ha |
| 21:11.26 | stew | mfrisch: what version of debian are you trying to install? |
| 21:12.06 | mfrisch | stew etch. uhm you can still pick which cds you want to source right? |
| 21:12.31 | stew | !info ndiswrapper etch |
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| 21:12.40 | schoppenhauer | doesnt anybody have a clue how to get this nvidia-stuff work? it worked fine, but i want the newer kernel. and simply compiling doesnt work. |
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| 21:12.56 | schoppenhauer | all i want is a howto for debian or so. |
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| 21:13.24 | mfrisch | stew which cds you use as a source list does aptitude have the add cd function? |
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| 21:13.53 | stew | mfrisch: use apt-cdrom to add cd sources |
| 21:14.09 | mfrisch | stew THANK you sir |
| 21:14.10 | stew | mfrisch: are you asking me personally? |
| 21:14.30 | mfrisch | stew should I? |
| 21:14.30 | unsolo | stew: trying.. |
| 21:14.35 | stew | no |
| 21:14.56 | chlue | schoppenhauer: 2.6.21 or 2.6.22? |
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| 21:15.46 | schoppenhauer | chlue: 2.6.21 |
| 21:15.49 | th0ger | Any CUPS lovers? I cannot access the web interface localhost:631 (Forbidden 403). I think my cupsd.conf is ok, but could someone check it please? http://pastebin.com/d532b94d3 |
| 21:17.01 | chlue | schoppenhauer: i have an ati and know the current package in testing does not work with 22 but 21 work. Did you use a driver out of testing, or from stable? |
| 21:17.09 | schoppenhauer | chlue: but i would use 2.6.22 too if at least it worked. i would use my old kernel, but nvidia and ndiswrapper often crashed |
| 21:17.49 | schoppenhauer | chlue: hm. as i said. i hat some problems with my old kernel but it worked more or less. since upgrading the kernel to 21, i dont have anymore |
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| 21:18.51 | schoppenhauer | chlue: and i think this the "usage of GPL-Only Symbols" is not something technical |
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| 21:19.17 | schoppenhauer | chlue: do you know a way to get these modules run under new kernels? |
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| 21:19.40 | chlue | schoppenhauer: sorry I don't think I can help with that stuff. |
| 21:19.58 | schoppenhauer | chlue: ok. |
| 21:20.10 | schoppenhauer | but there must be *anyone* existing who knows how to do this... |
| 21:21.07 | schoppenhauer | when asking anyone what to do about the nvidia-module crashing, i was always told to upgrade my kernel. and now i am told to downgrade. |
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| 21:21.53 | logd | hi i'm trying to share my printer in lan but windows machinees got this error when attempting to print : A StartDocPrinter call was not issued. |
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| 21:22.37 | asarch | Is there any "Debian port" for Mozilla's Sunbird? |
| 21:22.42 | Mr-R | schoppenhauer: weak power supply? :) |
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| 21:23.25 | schoppenhauer | Mr-R: what? |
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| 21:24.07 | Mr-R | schoppenhauer: if your computer crashes... |
| 21:24.30 | schoppenhauer | Mr-R: what are you talking about? |
| 21:25.13 | DustyDingo | are there any known problems with fat32 over nfs? |
| 21:25.20 | xingu | schoppenhauer: debian 2.6.21 is incompatible with nvidia-kernel module. |
| 21:25.29 | xingu | schoppenhauer: change one of the two terms. |
| 21:25.41 | pickcoder | DustyDingo: don't want to use smbfs? |
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| 21:25.48 | schoppenhauer | xingu: what about 2.6.22? |
| 21:25.49 | jovans | is apparmor a security tool eg. selinux? |
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| 21:25.59 | xingu | schoppenhauer: 2.6.22 is fine |
| 21:26.05 | dokma | hi ppl |
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| 21:26.23 | DustyDingo | i am not looking for alternatives, i just want to know, if there are any issues |
| 21:26.26 | Mr-R | schoppenhauer: my computer crashes only when it drains too much power. but as i see, your problems are not with the hardware |
| 21:26.27 | dokma | I would like to record some tutorial videos of me doing stuff in Linux |
| 21:26.39 | dokma | is there some Debian package that would enable me to do that? |
| 21:26.53 | Joint | can someone help me |
| 21:26.54 | Joint | please |
| 21:26.55 | schoppenhauer | xingu: is it in unstable? |
| 21:26.57 | Joint | im having issued with my X |
| 21:27.02 | xingu | dokma: recordmydesktop seems like a reasonable guess. |
| 21:27.07 | xingu | schoppenhauer: yes |
| 21:27.10 | DustyDingo | the file system gets completely wrecked after some time and i would like to know, if it could have to do with nfs? |
| 21:27.11 | dokma | hey xingu |
| 21:27.13 | dokma | yeag |
| 21:27.18 | dokma | thats just too obvious |
| 21:27.25 | schoppenhauer | Mr-R: ok. i admit they /may/ be related to the 8th OSI-Layer, too ^^. but not only ^^ |
| 21:27.37 | Joint | !key ADB11277 |
| 21:29.10 | Joint | can someone join #flood |
| 21:29.12 | Joint | for one minute? |
| 21:29.30 | dokma | Joint I'll give you a hand if possible |
| 21:29.41 | Joint | thanks |
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| 21:30.21 | Joint | im getting that error dokma while running startx |
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| 21:31.24 | logd | hi i'm trying to share my printer in lan but windows machinees got this error when attempting to print : A StartDocPrinter call was not issued. |
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| 21:34.08 | schoppenhauer | wah... why do there have to be badsigs *now* that i have the time *a little nerved switching the repo* |
| 21:34.29 | futlib | okay, tried for some hours to compile dgen, generator and gens with no luck. can anyone tell me where to find binaries (working on amd64 debian!) of ANY (I don't care anymore) sega genesis emulator? |
| 21:34.44 | schoppenhauer | bah. now i have to download from australia... the other side of the world... |
| 21:34.52 | Joint | how do i installed the font packet? |
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| 21:35.23 | bigh25 | I haven't updated my machine for a long while, and now when I try to update a single app (rdesktop) it says that it will remove util-linux and says I should only proceed if I'm knowing what I'm doing (which I don't). Is continuing OK? |
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| 21:38.00 | aarkerio | Hi! how is called Mozilla Sunbird on Debian? |
| 21:38.10 | pike__ | thats a fairly important package |
| 21:38.17 | pike__ | methinks |
| 21:38.56 | xauth | bigh25: what if you try to upgrade util-linux first? |
| 21:38.56 | Mankod | Sunbird = Thunderbid = Icedove ? |
| 21:39.00 | xand | no |
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| 21:39.11 | xand | sunbird's a calendar |
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| 21:39.58 | Mankod | a ok |
| 21:39.59 | Mankod | opensync-plugin-sunbird - Opensync Mozilla Calendar(Sunbird) plugin |
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| 21:40.38 | h3sp4wn | dokma: screenkast is quite good for recording videos (if you are using lenny or sid or you can make a backport) |
| 21:40.38 | xand | doesnt look like it's in debian, at least not etch |
| 21:40.44 | aarkerio | I found iceape-calendar, but I am not sure |
| 21:41.01 | bigh25 | xauth: its in the newest version. Maybe it has something to do with having the 'testing" branch in my sources.list and with the latest upgrade to "etch"? Should I have made any modifications? |
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| 21:42.08 | bigh25 | xauth: My bad, it seems not to be in the newest versioin (weird, when I do apt-get install it told me its the newest version). |
| 21:42.08 | xauth | bigh25: Running testing here, util-linux 2.12r-19, rdesktop 1.5.0-2 |
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| 21:42.43 | xand | iceape = seamonkey |
| 21:42.47 | xauth | apt-get update done, presumably? |
| 21:42.48 | futlib | hm. another issue. why is xwine (GUI for wine) in the amd64 repositories while wine is not? |
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| 21:43.28 | bigh25 | xauth: well, I don't know, that's my version of util-linux too, but if I do apt-get upgrade util-linux it still wants to install a whole lot of apps |
| 21:43.28 | chlue | futlib I have wine on my amd64 installation |
| 21:43.48 | xand | wine doesnt work on amd64 |
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| 21:44.00 | xauth | I didn't know you can upgrade a single package? |
| 21:44.06 | futlib | chlue, htf, think you have better sources than me |
| 21:44.12 | xauth | ... using apt-get upgrade, that is. |
| 21:44.20 | xand | futlib: wine doesnt work on amd64 |
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| 21:44.40 | boulbul | Hi, I have installed a webserver on debian machine running on port 8080. another website on a windows machine is running a webserver at port 80. I am trying to access my website on the debian box...but, it takes too long to load, and somtimes I get the following error message http://pidgin.im/nopaste/210. . Any help or suggestion are apreciated. Thanks |
| 21:44.52 | futlib | xand, not supposed to afaik. though I heard some news it could be but... whatever... |
| 21:44.54 | bigh25 | xauth: yep, its only me being clueless, apt-get upgrade gives the same output I always use dist-upgrade for that. |
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| 21:45.08 | futlib | xand, and if wine is not working in edgy amd64. why is xwine in the repository? |
| 21:45.09 | xauth | bigh25: shouldn't you be doing apt-get install util-linux instead of apt-get upgrade util-linux? |
| 21:45.31 | xauth | Ah. |
| 21:45.32 | loca| | hey guys, are you telling me that data removed by a "rm -rf" is unrecoverable ? |
| 21:45.37 | xand | futlib: this isn't #ubuntu |
| 21:45.45 | bigh25 | xauth: Yes, but doing that it just says its in the newest version. I think I'll upgrade everything and then go for rdesktop upgrade |
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| 21:45.56 | chlue | futlib: sorry i am running testing and alway asume everyone else, too :-) |
| 21:46.05 | xauth | local: yes, pretty much, forensic action aside. |
| 21:46.26 | futlib | chlue, ok. so you have amd64. do you have "gens", "dgen" or "generator" in your repos? :D |
| 21:46.31 | xauth | bigh25: Ok, good luck. |
| 21:46.37 | bigh25 | xauth: Thx |
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| 21:49.58 | aarkerio | thx! |
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| 21:50.32 | Azar | wtf upgrade package versions? |
| 21:50.59 | streuner | heh |
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| 21:51.09 | Azar | :) nobody told him there is no such thing |
| 21:51.11 | dokma | h3sp4wn: only now saw your comment |
| 21:51.15 | dokma | thank you |
| 21:51.20 | dokma | will check it out right away |
| 21:52.03 | streuner | Azar: any idea who is able to vote for SPI? |
| 21:52.08 | Azar | mister nussbaum replied to my email regarding debaday crashing firefox |
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| 21:52.32 | Azar | streuner: the way I read the bottom comments on that page, anyone that is _not_ new |
| 21:52.40 | Azar | not new DD I guess |
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| 21:53.48 | Azar | "However, the continued dominance of Debian on the board suggests that one of the challenges for the coming year that was not addressed during the election is promoting the involvement of members from projects that have recently joined SPI." |
| 21:54.09 | Azar | oh SPI members.. |
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| 21:55.16 | Azar | so I would assume that one is a veterand Debian Developer and gets accepted in SPI... being "new" might not automatically allow him to vote. |
| 21:55.47 | Azar | I guess mister Schulze can :) |
| 21:56.29 | streuner | Azar: http://www.spi-inc.org/corporate/resolutions/2007-02-15-jrk.1.html |
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| 21:58.12 | jeward | What package do I need to install to share the console X session? |
| 21:58.16 | Azar | oh yeah, man and also I saw some being slapped because they were not at the meetings, they were m.i.a., they did not reply to mail notifications... that's tough |
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| 21:59.53 | logd | hi, i'm still trying to share printer but got this error : printing/print_cups.c:cups_job_submit(643) in client log and nothing printed |
| 22:00.06 | Azar | hey SPI, I like the emphasis on discretion and privacy.. |
| 22:00.17 | streuner | Azar: https://members.spi-inc.org/newnm.php |
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| 22:01.34 | Azar | streuner: wow that simple ? :) |
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| 22:01.45 | streuner | Azar: seems so ;-) |
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| 22:01.51 | osmosis | how do I list all the software in http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable non-free ? |
| 22:02.13 | streuner | osmosis: get the Package file list |
| 22:02.19 | Azar | what a mess! using google to get packages? meeehehehe |
| 22:02.26 | osmosis | haha |
| 22:02.44 | osmosis | Azar: hey...its there software...apt-get is better then chmod +x .bin |
| 22:02.45 | Azar | osmosis: the /etc/apt/sources.list is ten times better |
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| 22:03.12 | Azar | damn, I hate this circus, now getting debian packages from google... |
| 22:03.15 | kim0 | Hi, anyone used Exceed X server, is this faster than VNC ?? |
| 22:03.15 | Azar | ridiculous |
| 22:03.45 | Supaplex | !lart firewire |
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| 22:04.22 | asarch | See you later |
| 22:04.34 | asarch | Keep up the good work and happy hacking!!! |
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| 22:04.47 | logd | hi, i'm still trying to share printer but got this error : printing/print_cups.c:cups_job_submit(643) in client log and nothing printed - client-not-possible |
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| 22:06.35 | XtypeWriter74 | hi, with what command can i mount an iso so i can use it in sources.list |
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| 22:07.17 | stew | XtypeWriter74: mount -o loop /path/to/iso /mountpoint |
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| 22:07.34 | XtypeWriter74 | wow, cool ;) thanx |
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| 22:10.25 | jeward | What package do I need to install to share the console X session? |
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| 22:11.20 | XtypeWriter74 | <stew> can i also add the mount to fstab ? |
| 22:11.38 | MangosDebian | evenin' |
| 22:11.39 | MoDaX | jeward: what do you mean? |
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| 22:11.52 | stew | XtypeWriter74: yes, just put "loop" in the options column |
| 22:12.01 | XtypeWriter74 | so that when i reboot it automaticaly mounts |
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| 22:12.53 | Sepho | hi all!! anybode use torrentflux on therir server?? I don't know how can I add a new user :( |
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| 22:14.25 | jeward | MoDaX: I want to share :0 via VNC. |
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| 22:14.52 | jeward | MoDaX: You can do it on Ubuntu out of the box, but I want to do it on an etch box. |
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| 22:15.42 | MangosDebian | jeward: mmm, what package does ubuntu use to do it? |
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| 22:15.49 | MoDaX | jeward: x11vnc, krfb |
| 22:15.55 | jeward | MangosDebian: I can't remember. :-( |
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| 22:16.08 | MoDaX | gnome probably has one too |
| 22:16.22 | MangosDebian | jeward: you can't check by chance? only curious so no biggie |
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| 22:16.48 | jeward | MangosDebian: I don't wotk with Ubuntu at this job. |
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| 22:17.29 | MangosDebian | jeward: ooh? |
| 22:17.47 | rahul | I... I live for your pain! |
| 22:17.50 | jeward | MangosDebian: Nope, we're strictly debian. |
| 22:18.09 | rahul | I'm dying! |
| 22:18.14 | MangosDebian | lol |
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| 22:18.27 | rahul | I.... I... I live for your pain! |
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| 22:19.40 | MangosDebian | rahul: you know of that which I speak? |
| 22:19.40 | rahul | and on a related note... Mr Torture! |
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| 22:20.44 | MoDaX | jeward: and vino for gnome |
| 22:20.55 | rahul | MangosDebian: don't think I've seen the movie |
| 22:20.57 | jeward | vino, that's the one I couldn't remember! |
| 22:21.00 | rahul | but the song seems familiar |
| 22:21.28 | MangosDebian | rahul: inside man begin/end music. but im sure google/you tube has a video |
| 22:21.48 | MangosDebian | although the movie has an indian/american mix of high quality recording that I pilfered :) |
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| 22:21.52 | rahul | yeah, it does |
| 22:21.56 | spheard | ha anyone why I wouldnt !userdir |
| 22:22.03 | spheard | !userdir |
| 22:22.17 | sussudio | has someone been fucking with international routing in the last week? |
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| 22:22.41 | rahul | I'll fuck your routes |
| 22:22.52 | sussudio | %bear rahul |
| 22:22.59 | rahul | heh |
| 22:23.13 | MangosDebian | sussudio: sorry, we just didnt feel that your gamp servers deserved their own routes anymore |
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| 22:23.27 | jeward | x11vnc works perfectly, thanks! |
| 22:23.32 | sussudio | i'm not affected. i see people pinging out on 4 networks |
| 22:23.40 | MangosDebian | hmm |
| 22:23.44 | sussudio | mostly USians |
| 22:23.47 | MangosDebian | internettrafficreport.com? |
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| 22:24.41 | sussudio | nothing out of the ordinary on internettrafficreport or internethealthreport |
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| 22:25.07 | rahul | GAMP GAMP GAMP |
| 22:25.13 | sussudio | RAPE RAPE RAPE |
| 22:25.36 | sussudio | see http://rofl.wheresthebeef.co.uk/Lincoln%20Rape.jpg |
| 22:25.37 | XtypeWriter74 | <stew> and what do add as filetype ? |
| 22:25.45 | rahul | TO THE HEART OF FIRE |
| 22:25.56 | rahul | YOU'RE HOME. FOUND ASYLUM. |
| 22:26.09 | rahul | In world where the broken dance, on shards of glass |
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| 22:26.32 | chlue | if I try to start a second kde session with "change user > start a new session", my monitor goes blank and i can't switch to anything with crtl-alt-Fx. Does anyone know if I need a special config for the X-Server or ths is a usual problem with the fglrx-driver? |
| 22:26.33 | sussudio | a giant bunny will rape your ass? |
| 22:26.39 | rahul | heh |
| 22:26.41 | XtypeWriter74 | <stew> <type> in fstab |
| 22:26.42 | MangosDebian | rahul: what are you singin? |
| 22:26.43 | rahul | BADGER |
| 22:26.50 | rahul | MangosDebian: The Asylum by Edguy now |
| 22:26.58 | rahul | before was I Live for Your Pain by Helloween |
| 22:26.59 | MangosDebian | rahul: ahh |
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| 22:28.40 | rahul | hmm, better get going |
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| 22:33.39 | stew | XtypeWriter74: type is iso9660 or auto |
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| 22:34.08 | XtypeWriter74 | ah...great :) |
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| 22:37.33 | kl4m | Hi, any backuppc users around? |
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| 22:37.43 | jeward | Here. |
| 22:38.03 | kl4m | I'm looking for a way to start the pooling process manually |
| 22:38.09 | jeward | kl4m: I'm backing up close to 250 servers and have arounf 5 TB storage. |
| 22:38.32 | jeward | kl4m: Pooling process? You mean the nightly job? |
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| 22:38.54 | kl4m | Yes, it starts nightly but I want it to start right now |
| 22:39.13 | jeward | kl4m: I've seen that answered somewhere before. |
| 22:39.31 | kl4m | I'm a bit short on storage and pooling would reeeeally help |
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| 22:40.08 | XtypeWriter74 | <stew> heres a paste of my fstab http://rafb.net/p/YfYtaY98.html |
| 22:40.16 | XtypeWriter74 | well part of it |
| 22:40.19 | kl4m | It might actually work, but ... no. |
| 22:40.56 | MangosDebian | kl4m: hehe ya. I dont use it, but is it cron based by chance? can't just runparts/run it manually? |
| 22:41.06 | jeward | It's not cron based. |
| 22:41.12 | MangosDebian | daemon? |
| 22:41.22 | jeward | Sort of? |
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| 22:41.53 | jeward | usage: /usr/share/backuppc/bin/BackupPC_nightly [-m] poolRangeStart poolRangeEnd |
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| 22:42.18 | jeward | I THINK that would be BackupPC_nightly 1 257? |
| 22:42.44 | jeward | Make that 255. |
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| 22:43.02 | Malf | So in testing with the 2.6.21 kernel nvidia drivers don't work due to a new default kernel setting or so I hear. So is my best bet to just change my xorg conf to not use the nvidia drivers until testing releases some updated nvidia action or are there any other clever ideas handy? |
| 22:43.47 | jeward | Here we go: usr/share/backuppc/bin/BackupPC_nightly 0 255 |
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| 22:45.43 | wad | I just set up a super-simple debian box to be used to grab data from anther box once per week, and burn it to a DVD. I'd like to do this via cron. |
| 22:46.21 | wad | What program should I use to burn? |
| 22:46.34 | wad | It needs to be command-line. :) |
| 22:46.37 | kl4m | I vote for cdrecord |
| 22:46.43 | wad | Thanks. |
| 22:47.11 | MangosDebian | kl4m: now theres democracy in action :) |
| 22:47.14 | kl4m | It seems it fork to wodim |
| 22:47.26 | norc | kl4m: cdrecord is 'obsolete' - it's replaced by wodim. :) |
| 22:47.32 | norc | kl4m: afaik cdrecord is just a symlink to wodim. |
| 22:47.43 | ladydoor | wad: wodim works, bashburn provides an interface; I'm sure there are others. |
| 22:47.55 | wad | Okay. |
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| 22:48.09 | wad | Is wodim happy with command-line invocation? |
| 22:48.36 | ladydoor | wad: Oh yeah |
| 22:48.40 | wad | Sweet. |
| 22:48.46 | ladydoor | wad: Definitely. |
| 22:49.22 | wad | I gotta jet. Thanks, guys! wodim looks PERFECTO MUNDO. ;) |
| 22:50.22 | MangosDebian | bah |
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| 22:50.50 | streuner | MangosDebian: ECHAN? ;-) |
| 22:51.06 | MangosDebian | heya |
| 22:51.23 | kl4m | Thanks jeward for the command, I'll try it as soon as running backups complete |
| 22:51.32 | MangosDebian | streuner: ahh no hehe, he left :) |
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| 22:53.02 | matadon | Is there a way to use apt through an SSH SOCKS proxy (not http_proxy)? |
| 22:54.02 | xauth | metadon: set up the ssh tunnel, then point apt to localhost? |
| 22:54.24 | xauth | s/metadon/matadon/ with apologies. :) |
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| 22:58.36 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 22:59.18 | antgel | this problem seen on two etch boxes, but i cloned them, so it may well not be a debian bug. still want to understand it. using stock kernels with initrd, ethernet interface is e.g. eth0 in dmesg, then when system boots, i get SIGCIFSADDR: no such device, and ifconfig -a reveals ethernet interface moved to e.g. eth5. how and why could this occur? |
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| 23:00.13 | lithophyte | where's a good place to put my iptables rules? is there an init file for it? |
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| 23:00.25 | antgel | s/SIGCIFSADDR/SIOCSIFADDR |
| 23:00.37 | tyler-wylie | Excuse my ignorance, but what's the package the command "deb" is included in? |
| 23:00.45 | antgel | lithophyte: how about reading README.Debian? |
| 23:01.01 | antgel | tyler-wylie: what's the issue? |
| 23:01.07 | lithophyte | I looked in /usr/share/doc/iptables/ |
| 23:01.11 | unlink | tyler-wylie: what deb command? |
| 23:01.11 | lithophyte | there is no readme.debian |
| 23:01.14 | tyler-wylie | antgel: just trying to install some packages |
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| 23:01.37 | ladydoor | tyler-wylie: You probably want dpkg or apt or aptitude, in that case. |
| 23:01.43 | tyler-wylie | well I'm trying to install opennms, and I'm pretty much a gentoo/centOS guy but I wanted to give debian a try on a test-production server |
| 23:02.08 | tyler-wylie | wait I see |
| 23:02.08 | antgel | lithophyte: hmm, there was last time i looked, but that was a while ago |
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| 23:02.18 | tyler-wylie | I add the deb string to apt/sources.list |
| 23:02.23 | lithophyte | I'm gonna make my own init file then |
| 23:02.48 | matadon | xauth: Sorry, had to go AFK for a sec. Yeah, using the 'ssh -D' proxy setup. |
| 23:02.57 | tyler-wylie | hmmm how do I tell what version of debian i'm running |
| 23:03.28 | tyler-wylie | wait I see it's etch |
| 23:03.37 | matadon | The Corporate Overlords have decreed that all web traffic, even from the IS server network, go through a scanning proxy. Which can't handle large files. This makes apt unusable sometimes. |
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| 23:04.42 | afaict | Is there a similar tool like gnome-volume-manager ? to automount usb pendrivers? |
| 23:04.43 | xauth | matadon: Would have to socksify apt. Don't think that's been done yet. |
| 23:05.01 | matadon | xauth: Crap, so much for that brilliant idea. |
| 23:05.13 | xauth | matadon: Why not ordinary port forwarding? |
| 23:05.33 | matadon | xauth: You know, that might work. |
| 23:05.40 | matadon | I'll give it a go. |
| 23:05.42 | xauth | matadon: Although... maybe apt uses another program under water. |
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| 23:06.32 | xauth | matadon: Nah, I suspect not. Try port forwarding. |
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| 23:07.19 | xauth | matadon: Good luck. I'm off to rosy-rosy land. |
| 23:07.26 | matadon | xauth: Thanks, that worked. |
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| 23:07.37 | xauth | Great. |
| 23:08.57 | nelf | I'm having trouble installing a kernel package I built because mkinitrd.yaird fails to create an initrd image: |
| 23:08.59 | nelf | yaird error: unknown kernel version: 2.6.22.1 (fatal) |
| 23:09.16 | nelf | On etch, this is. |
| 23:09.28 | stew | nelf: does /lib/modules/2.6.22.1 exist? |
| 23:09.53 | nelf | On the machine I'm compiling it on, or the machine I'm installing it on |
| 23:09.55 | nelf | ? |
| 23:09.58 | nelf | Or either ? |
| 23:10.12 | stew | nelf: installing |
| 23:10.21 | stew | nelf: the machine which gave you that error |
| 23:10.29 | nelf | No, it doesn't |
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| 23:10.57 | stew | nelf: it should did the kernel package not contain any modules? |
| 23:11.29 | nelf | I only did a make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 23:11.56 | antgel | with --initrd? |
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| 23:12.23 | nelf | Yes, with --initrd, and no, there are no modules |
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| 23:13.03 | stew | nelf: did the kernel include module support? |
| 23:13.14 | nelf | stew: No, CONFIG_MODULES is not set |
| 23:13.41 | stew | nelf: why do you need an initrd then? |
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| 23:14.46 | dkg | this is annoying me. could someone give me a single command that states the total size of the files in a directory (and of those in consequent directories)? |
| 23:15.00 | nelf | stew: You got all the nasty questions, aint ya? |
| 23:15.19 | nelf | I thought I needed it... I normally do :) |
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| 23:15.33 | stew | nelf: is your root partition on raid or lvm? |
| 23:15.48 | nelf | stew: It's a CF disk |
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| 23:16.08 | stew | nelf: normally you need it so that the kernel modules for your hard disk controller / root filesystem can be loaded ; or so that your raid array or your lvm can be brought up |
| 23:16.46 | stew | nelf: it doesn't sound like you need an initrd |
| 23:16.48 | nelf | stew: Yes - that has a familiar ring to it. |
| 23:17.02 | nelf | stew: No, I don't think I do... |
| 23:17.16 | nelf | stew: Thanks for the "Eye of Sanity"(tm) |
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| 23:17.35 | lightning | what do you all do for income? |
| 23:17.54 | MangosDebian | dkg: heya :) tried du yet? |
| 23:18.07 | dkg | MangosDebian: Descends onto me..to answer my very, very simple question? :P |
| 23:18.08 | nelf | And I thought I was being clever swapping mkinitrd-tools to yaird, stew |
| 23:18.20 | dkg | MangosDebian: Hehe. Thank you :) |
| 23:18.28 | MangosDebian | dkg: np ;) |
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| 23:19.35 | unsolo | stew: problem solved . knowledge increased . Time to sleep |
| 23:19.41 | nelf | lightning: Trace IP addresses to real addresses and extort money from people |
| 23:19.45 | abrotman | MangosDebian: i knew you were a monkey! |
| 23:20.07 | streuner | o_O |
| 23:20.16 | streuner | abrotman in bad mood |
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| 23:20.32 | streuner | MangosDebian: hynosis? ;-) |
| 23:20.34 | lightning | nelf: i ask because i'm in despirate need of some money |
| 23:20.39 | abrotman | streuner: i am ? |
| 23:20.47 | nelf | lightning: try traceroute |
| 23:20.54 | lightning | nelf: what is that? |
| 23:21.02 | streuner | abrotman: How should i know? |
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| 23:21.14 | streuner | that was rather a question |
| 23:21.18 | dkg | MangosDebian: are you going to mug him, or do I have to do it? |
| 23:21.19 | abrotman | oh .. no |
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| 23:21.27 | abrotman | lightning: he's pulling your leg |
| 23:21.30 | XtypeWriter74 | is there a tool to create an image like livecd to which i can boot from my laptop ( image on PC ) |
| 23:21.31 | lightning | nelf: how can you make money by trace routing packets |
| 23:21.38 | lightning | lol, i was about to say! |
| 23:22.10 | MangosDebian | dkg: only if your sneaky about it |
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| 23:22.33 | nelf | lightning: in times of trouble, I play music on the street. |
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| 23:22.49 | s25 | I want to resize my hardrive on this server and make a swap partition with 100mb as the first partitino, can i do this remotly without damaging the debian using fdisk?? |
| 23:22.58 | nelf | people pay me to a) go away or b) they like the music. |
| 23:23.18 | dkg | MangosDebian: I've played Metal Gear Solid since the first game. does that qualify me as a practitioner of the utmost sneakiness? |
| 23:23.28 | lightning | well nelf you should be a comedian |
| 23:23.35 | MangosDebian | dkg: yes, but only ever so slightly |
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| 23:23.55 | dkg | MangosDebian: pfft. you do it, oh great ninjjer. |
| 23:24.09 | lightning | do what? |
| 23:24.37 | lightning | how can i listen to the radio on linux/ |
| 23:25.09 | lightning | ? |
| 23:25.20 | lightning | damn, why do my question marks always come out as slashes now? |
| 23:25.33 | Ronin | lightning: they aren't here and the same way you do on windows |
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| 23:25.52 | dkg | lightning: It depends how it's recieved.. FM radio, transmitted as radio waves along the electro magnetic spectrum requires the appropriate hardware |
| 23:25.55 | nelf | lightning: You think I'd be here if I was funny? |
| 23:25.56 | lightning | Ronin: "they aren't here" |
| 23:25.56 | karsten | I'm seeing the following "Unexpectedly non-broken dependency" error doing an aptitude update: http://paste.debian.net/33801 |
| 23:25.58 | lightning | they who |
| 23:26.30 | lightning | lastfm, how can i listen to that |
| 23:26.35 | karsten | lightning: You're hitting '/' w/o hitting the shift key. |
| 23:26.43 | nelf | lightning: www.radiovague.com |
| 23:26.51 | karsten | lightning: Either get an FM tuner card, or listen to Internet streaming radio (eg: somafm). |
| 23:27.35 | lightning | karsten: is somafm the program |
| 23:27.44 | lightning | what app will i use? |
| 23:27.45 | XtypeWriter74 | tunapie |
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| 23:28.00 | dkg | lightning: Needless to say, streaming audio over the internet requires a streaming media player and the appropriate codecs installed |
| 23:28.20 | lightning | dkg: like what program though |
| 23:28.24 | XtypeWriter74 | vlc plays |
| 23:28.30 | dkg | lightning: Totem is installed on Debian by default I believe |
| 23:28.31 | nelf | lightning: vlc |
| 23:28.31 | lightning | i couldn't get loud to do so |
| 23:28.32 | dkg | It works for me |
| 23:28.47 | lightning | totem does do it, okay |
| 23:29.13 | lightning | wait how do i play music from cli |
| 23:29.14 | dkg | nelf: If only you'd take out the 'p' there |
| 23:29.21 | lightning | i mean what is the cli audio player |
| 23:29.24 | lightning | mp3 |
| 23:29.26 | ricky | lightning: mplayer? |
| 23:29.37 | lightning | i thought there was another |
| 23:29.39 | Sepho | newbieeeeeeeeeeeeeeees |
| 23:29.48 | dkg | lightning: Yes.. there are. Many, many.. many more |
| 23:30.01 | ricky | Or mpg123? |
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| 23:30.36 | streuner | abrotman: working atm? |
| 23:30.44 | nslater | I am running `pdebuild --pbuilder cowbuilder` and it takes AGES to fetch packages in the chroot - a lot longer than a normal apt-get operation. Anyone know why? |
| 23:30.51 | abrotman | streuner: reading baseball news :) |
| 23:30.55 | dkg | Is aptitude the recommended frontend for APT over Synaptic for any particular reason? |
| 23:31.00 | streuner | DOH |
| 23:31.06 | abrotman | streuner: why? |
| 23:31.22 | nslater | dkg, you can use whatever you are comfortable with. I use apt alone. |
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| 23:31.28 | streuner | well, you can everything say, but telling a german about baseball... |
| 23:31.29 | dkg | nslater: As do I. |
| 23:31.41 | abrotman | streuner: you don't know anything about baseball :) |
| 23:31.49 | dkg | nslater: I read on an official Debian document that aptitude is recommended (for some reason). |
| 23:31.52 | streuner | no, not at all |
| 23:32.00 | Azar | soccer, well another story.. |
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| 23:33.05 | abrotman | futbol ? |
| 23:33.09 | streuner | criket, thats it - fuck thats a boring sport |
| 23:33.11 | Ronin | streuner: baseball=great 4 hour nap |
| 23:33.19 | Azar | mister simonrvn |
| 23:33.29 | lightning | :D |
| 23:33.49 | lightning | as you know |
| 23:34.00 | abrotman | Ronin: you're from a country that likes curling .. you've NO room to talk :) |
| 23:34.04 | streuner | Ronin: we played in school sometimes rugby, it isnt that bad, specially to teach people... |
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| 23:34.24 | nelf | stew: top dollar - thanks for your help - Up and running with my new kernel. |
| 23:34.38 | karsten | abrotman: Curling, spooning, same thing. |
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| 23:35.17 | karsten | lightning: No, somafm is an Internet radio station. Podcast or streaming MP3 / Ogg (not sure about ogg). |
| 23:35.24 | streuner | Ronin: rugby and football makes people hard (for live), i like it |
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| 23:35.41 | karsten | lightning: http://somafm.com/ |
| 23:35.51 | nelf | streuner: i was great at rugby, but I'm rubbish in real life |
| 23:36.00 | streuner | nelf: hehe |
| 23:36.02 | karsten | lightning: Groove Salad, Secret Agent, Indie Pop Rocks are pretty good channels. |
| 23:36.18 | diafic | How do you set a static IP? |
| 23:36.26 | lightning | anyone use ncmpc |
| 23:36.37 | streuner | nelf: there is german speak, "expeptions make the rules" ;-) |
| 23:36.45 | karsten | diafic: Usually with about three bags of Quik-Crete |
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| 23:37.25 | karsten | streuner: English idiom is "the exception proves the rule". |
| 23:37.27 | diafic | karsten, haha |
| 23:38.18 | streuner | well, you must be fair in order to play rugby or football |
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| 23:38.31 | nelf | streuner: Like Maradonna? |
| 23:38.35 | nrdb | I have an installation of debian when I do a "apt-get update" I get "W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs:" "B5D0C804ADB11277" how do I fix this ? |
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| 23:38.42 | echosystm | guys, on a p4 1.8ghz with 320gb hard drive and 1gb ram |
| 23:38.52 | echosystm | should i be using xfs or ext3? |
| 23:39.10 | abrotman | that's up to you |
| 23:39.16 | streuner | nelf: you cannot compare, if there is money around, fairness is not the main thingie then... |
| 23:39.22 | lightning | karsten: are you using nicotine? |
| 23:39.27 | abrotman | echosystm: if you don't have a good reason to pick xfs .. use ext3 |
| 23:39.47 | echosystm | well... is xfs any faster/slower? :P |
| 23:39.55 | echosystm | thats a pretty good reason imo haha |
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| 23:40.07 | karsten | lightning: No, it's a mutually beneficial relationship. |
| 23:40.08 | abrotman | depends on the data on the system |
| 23:40.32 | karsten | lightning: Why do you ask? |
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| 23:41.05 | echosystm | just normal desktop type stuff. this is my mucking aorund computer, so it will be mostly be mp3s, movies, etc. |
| 23:41.16 | lightning | karsten: because i have a problem with the program |
| 23:41.19 | lightning | and i love the app |
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| 23:41.34 | lightning | it freezes whenever a large search occurs |
| 23:41.39 | nelf | nrdb: Theres a tip about that in the topic of this channel |
| 23:41.42 | dkg | lightning: I _honestly_ though you were talking about cigarettes and the likes |
| 23:41.43 | abrotman | echosystm: like i said .. if you don't have a good reason .. use ext3 :) |
| 23:42.02 | lightning | dkg: no, no, the program |
| 23:42.20 | echosystm | alrighty |
| 23:42.24 | echosystm | thanks :) |
| 23:42.39 | karsten | lightning: No clue, sorry. |
| 23:42.40 | nelf | works very well for me, karsten :) |
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| 23:42.52 | lightning | see nelf uses it too |
| 23:43.01 | xitron | How do I change permissions of maps? |
| 23:43.07 | abrotman | maps ? |
| 23:43.16 | xitron | yea like /etc /bin |
| 23:43.18 | xitron | etc.. |
| 23:43.29 | abrotman | you shouldn't |
| 23:43.36 | xitron | well I have a reason |
| 23:43.54 | xitron | I create a account for proftp but now you can also ssh it |
| 23:43.54 | abrotman | let's hear it |
| 23:44.00 | stew | xitron: you shouldn't be changing the permissions on /etc and /bin |
| 23:44.05 | lightning | cli apps are like a puzzle to get working |
| 23:44.13 | lightning | and they're somehow fun |
| 23:44.18 | nrdb | nelf: thanks found it |
| 23:44.23 | xitron | I wanna take ALL permissions for that owned for ALL maps |
| 23:44.25 | karsten | xitron: What stew said. |
| 23:44.32 | stew | xitron: what is maps? |
| 23:44.33 | abrotman | xitron: they aren't called maps .. |
| 23:44.34 | lightning | xitron: bad idea |
| 23:44.39 | stoned | im out |
| 23:44.41 | stoned | again |
| 23:44.44 | abrotman | xitron: and you should fix proftpd or the user .. not /etc/ |
| 23:44.49 | stoned | I think i'll quit again. anyway, hi guys |
| 23:44.53 | nelf | nrbd: cool - I always forget and wonder where that info is |
| 23:44.56 | xitron | ok so how should I be sure you can't ssh it with that account? |
| 23:45.09 | abrotman | set the shell to /bin/false and put /bin/false in /etc/shells |
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| 23:45.33 | xitron | wich shell ? the account shell? |
| 23:45.42 | abrotman | yes |
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| 23:46.01 | abrotman | you can also chroot the proftpd user |
| 23:46.04 | xitron | so how? where is that shell located ? and mv I gues then |
| 23:46.23 | ricky | No mv. You edit /etc/shells and add a line: /bin/false |
| 23:46.35 | xitron | OR I wanna make the proftpd anonymous but I googled it and can't find a exact answer |
| 23:46.37 | stew | xitron: you also have to set "RequireValidShell off" in your proftpd configuration |
| 23:46.37 | abrotman | xitron: you can use 'chsh' to change hte shell |
| 23:46.50 | moshisushi | hello! i have a problem with Xorg.. it goes into some kind of blank screen mode that i can't get out of in any other way than quitting the window manager |
| 23:47.00 | abrotman | moshisushi: when you do what ? |
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| 23:47.16 | moshisushi | abrotman: when i idle for 10 minutes (or something) |
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| 23:48.01 | dkg | moshisushi: It sounds like you're hinting that your screensaver is to blame |
| 23:48.06 | abrotman | or dpms |
| 23:48.14 | xitron | stew there is no RequiteValidShell in the config file |
| 23:48.21 | moshisushi | i run ratpoison as WM.. i haven't fiddled with any screensavers |
| 23:48.29 | lightning | okay where are the default x11 cursors located? |
| 23:48.43 | xitron | well ok lets tune my question.. How can I make my ftp server without any login |
| 23:48.49 | abrotman | !dpms |
| 23:48.49 | dpkg | hmm... dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 23:48.55 | lightning | moshisushi: how did you configure it |
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| 23:49.11 | stew | xitron: you'll have to add it if you want the user with /sbin/false as their shell to be able to login |
| 23:49.12 | moshisushi | abrotman: sounds like you got it! |
| 23:49.18 | stew | oh, or maybe he doesn't if it is /etc/shells |
| 23:49.27 | abrotman | stew: it's /bin/false on my box |
| 23:49.39 | Azar | abrotman got everything and everyone |
| 23:49.46 | abrotman | dkg: ? |
| 23:50.08 | xitron | stew yea but my question is infact how to get it without login the changin permission etc... was a other idea when I can't figure how to make it without login |
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| 23:50.20 | abrotman | moshisushi: FWIW .. i find it easier to just turn off dpms in the x config |
| 23:50.28 | abrotman | xitron: i told you |
| 23:50.34 | stew | xitron: the config that debian ships has an anonymous ftp set in the config, just commented out |
| 23:50.52 | xitron | what :-? |
| 23:51.12 | stew | xitron: you want annonymous ftp, right? |
| 23:51.16 | xitron | stew yes |
| 23:51.36 | nelf | xitron: Are you trying to lock out a particular user account except for access with FTP? |
| 23:51.37 | xitron | or ame sure you can't ssh it with that account |
| 23:51.45 | stew | xitron: do you see the part of the config file at the bottem which is commented out, which contains "<Anonymous ~ftp>" |
| 23:51.50 | xitron | nelf Exacltly! |
| 23:51.57 | xitron | stew: no |
| 23:52.18 | xitron | stew there is nothing about anonymous at all at the config |
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| 23:53.34 | moshisushi | abrotman: if i run xset -dpms.. will that setting be saved when i reboot? |
| 23:53.39 | moshisushi | or is it just temporary |
| 23:53.46 | xitron | I read each line and there is nothing about anonymous I can't follow the howto's on site neither because there are things in it there not in th econfig |
| 23:53.54 | dkr | moshisushi: temp |
| 23:54.02 | karsten | abrotman: Dont'g give up! |
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| 23:54.08 | karsten | abrotman: Put out! |
| 23:54.13 | abrotman | moshisushi: temporary |
| 23:54.15 | simonrvn | xitron: um, yeh, so? you add them if you need them.... |
| 23:54.22 | xitron | but what nelf sayed is right that is exactly my point |
| 23:54.24 | simonrvn | >_< |
| 23:54.32 | abrotman | karsten: why bother .. no one cares ... |
| 23:54.37 | nelf | Make sure you have RequireValidShell off in /etc/proftpd.conf, and run "chsh -s /bin/false <USERNAME>" |
| 23:54.47 | karsten | Not much, but I care. |
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| 23:54.51 | xitron | ok I try it |
| 23:54.52 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:55.12 | dkr | so where would you put xset -dpms to make permanent-ish, i.e. run at each X start? |
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| 23:56.21 | abrotman | dkr: i turn it off in the xorg config |
| 23:56.25 | dkr | obviously gdm is ignoring old school ~/.xinitrc, :) |
| 23:56.35 | abrotman | in .xsession then perhaps |
| 23:56.48 | simonrvn | dkr: yes |
| 23:56.57 | simonrvn | dkr: ~/.gnomerc |
| 23:57.16 | simonrvn | symlink the bugger |
| 23:57.55 | Azar | Ian M makes waves again...leaves a hole in the Linux Foundation how romantic, how emotional! |
| 23:58.00 | dkr | ah, cool. knew there had to be something simple: Xsession.d/55gnome-session_gnomerc: GNOMERC=$HOME/.gnomerc |
| 23:58.14 | Azar | simonrvn... |
| 23:58.15 | dkr | was result of my /etc/X11% grep -r gnomerc * |
| 23:58.36 | simonrvn | Azar: what? |
| 23:58.49 | simonrvn | what are talking about? |
| 23:58.52 | simonrvn | you |
| 23:58.55 | Azar | simonrvn: did you see the yet even newer openbox release? 10 days old.. |
| 23:59.02 | simonrvn | no |
| 23:59.07 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:59.12 | simonrvn | i have debian's right now |
| 23:59.14 | Azar | aw, is said better than the one you got recently |
| 23:59.29 | simonrvn | which is the same one they used to have |
| 23:59.35 | simonrvn | ...on their site |
| 23:59.36 | stoned | why |
| 23:59.46 | simonrvn | because |
| 23:59.49 | abrotman | stew: i suggest you hide from rcox ... |
