| 00:00.00 | [phear]crippler | first series of laptops made |
| 00:00.09 | [phear]crippler | its huge, it cant even read live cds |
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| 00:00.41 | dondelelcaro | doesn't matter; you can install Debian on any 486 with enough ram. |
| 00:00.50 | [phear]crippler | i have no clue how my friend for DSL on it in the first place, i am a pretty big noob with linux, but i learn fast and have programming exp... |
| 00:01.09 | stoned | heh |
| 00:01.15 | stoned | programming experience |
| 00:01.27 | [phear]crippler | what about it? |
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| 00:01.35 | stoned | lets do some code generation through templates in visual studio |
| 00:01.45 | [phear]crippler | shell programming is one i lack :P |
| 00:02.04 | stoned | which shell? |
| 00:02.08 | nvz | dondelelcaro: yeah thats the part I was confused about was how to do it as my user.. but that makes perfect sense.. my crontab can do it easily |
| 00:02.09 | stoned | explorer.exe ? |
| 00:02.09 | [phear]crippler | unix |
| 00:02.10 | stoned | :) |
| 00:02.23 | [phear]crippler | cmd.exe roflled |
| 00:02.34 | stoned | ahh yeh |
| 00:02.39 | [phear]crippler | only thing i use cmd for is netcat |
| 00:02.42 | nvz | dondelelcaro: would just be nice to have irssi already connect/identified and my aumix, and cplay running in my screen as soon as I login |
| 00:02.42 | stoned | boratman is around i suppose |
| 00:03.08 | stoned | nvz: you can do this! |
| 00:03.20 | gimp__ | wheres lilo.conf usually? |
| 00:03.29 | gimp__ | i mean, grub |
| 00:03.36 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I'll have to read up more on screen to figure out how to setup a session like that with multiple programs all I know is I can type screen irssi, don't know about having irssi on 0, aumix on 1, and cplay on 2 like I normally do |
| 00:03.36 | stoned | in /boot/grub |
| 00:03.39 | dondelelcaro | nvz: you may prefer mpd actually, if you want something running at start |
| 00:03.42 | stoned | and its menu.lst |
| 00:03.48 | stoned | !grub |
| 00:03.48 | dpkg | [grub] the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler.. NOT recommendend with XFS, or ask me about <grub dvorak>. |
| 00:03.52 | nvz | dondelelcaro: whats an mpd? |
| 00:03.55 | dondelelcaro | !info mpd |
| 00:04.00 | dpkg | mpd: (Music Player Daemon), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.13.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 146 kB, Installed size: 340 kB |
| 00:04.04 | stoned | media player demon |
| 00:04.04 | [phear]crippler | !grub |
| 00:04.04 | dpkg | i heard grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler.. NOT recommendend with XFS, or ask me about <grub dvorak>. |
| 00:04.05 | stoned | oh music |
| 00:04.09 | buchkurish | etyyyy |
| 00:04.15 | buchkurish | who can tell me where the download for linux is |
| 00:04.19 | buchkurish | http://www.kismetwireless.net/download.shtml |
| 00:04.24 | buchkurish | from ^________^^ |
| 00:04.26 | stoned | !d-i buchkurish |
| 00:04.26 | dpkg | buchkurish, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:04.27 | abrotman | /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 00:04.29 | nvz | dondelelcaro: ah, no I just want my apps open.. I rarely if ever even use the cplay.. heh I just like having it ready to go when I am ready |
| 00:04.34 | dondelelcaro | buchkurish: just aptitude install kismet; |
| 00:04.38 | buchkurish | sorry dpkg not that =) |
| 00:04.40 | buchkurish | oki dok |
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| 00:04.42 | buchkurish | dondelelcaro: damn |
| 00:04.48 | stoned | oh i only read the first sentence |
| 00:04.49 | buchkurish | dondelelcaro: it is so big? like 90 megs really that big? |
| 00:04.58 | buchkurish | hehe i know =) |
| 00:05.00 | buchkurish | i tricked yaaa |
| 00:05.04 | buchkurish | screw you guys im going homeee |
| 00:05.05 | dondelelcaro | buchkurish: eh? |
| 00:05.06 | buchkurish | = |
| 00:05.06 | stoned | buchkurish: my hdd is only 80mb |
| 00:05.06 | nvz | dondelelcaro: its just when I turn it on, pressing my hotkey to popup my aterm, then starting screen, irssi, aumix, cplay, logging onto freenode.. indentifying..etc its a routine that could easily be automated |
| 00:05.07 | buchkurish | =) |
| 00:05.07 | stoned | so yeh |
| 00:05.09 | stoned | 90mb is huge |
| 00:05.16 | buchkurish | ya dude 90 meg |
| 00:05.21 | stoned | my hdd is 80mb |
| 00:05.22 | stoned | :) |
| 00:05.23 | buchkurish | thats what aptitude instal kismit wants to install |
| 00:05.27 | stoned | not gb, mind you |
| 00:05.31 | stoned | 80 mega byte |
| 00:05.33 | abrotman | dependencies |
| 00:05.35 | dondelelcaro | buchkurish: it's got dependencies, you know. |
| 00:05.43 | krazykit | nvz, well, irssi logging onto freenode can be made automatic easily |
| 00:05.52 | krazykit | it's on irssi's faq |
| 00:06.04 | nvz | not only automated but already done before I login.. then I can have aterm -e screen -r in my xsession and all I gotta do is login from now on |
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| 00:06.35 | nvz | krazykit: yeah I used to have a config that auto-identified and everything.. but I haven't done that since the last time I built me a pc |
| 00:06.46 | buchkurish | what happend |
| 00:06.46 | SKOM | I've another problem now |
| 00:06.49 | buchkurish | i got kicked out or something?? |
| 00:07.04 | streuner | * buchkurish hat die Verbindung getrennt (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 00:07.05 | nvz | krazykit: and I've been doing computer work for like 10 years now and preach to all my clients about backing up.. and I've never backed up antything in my life.. heh |
| 00:07.05 | SKOM | * buchkurish has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 00:07.19 | buchkurish | streuner: thanks, dude i have no idea what htat is |
| 00:07.25 | nvz | krazykit: I've only lost all my stuff once or twice.. and it was when I was younger and mostly only had pr0n anyhow |
| 00:07.26 | buchkurish | i keep getin disconnected like that for some reason |
| 00:07.31 | SKOM | can i run any hardware detection now |
| 00:07.33 | buchkurish | also my putty disconnects every once in a while |
| 00:07.35 | SKOM | i have installed OS |
| 00:07.48 | buchkurish | what a heck is disconnecting me |
| 00:07.50 | buchkurish | anyone any ideas? |
| 00:07.52 | dondelelcaro | SKOM: the hardware detection (for most common hardware) has happened already |
| 00:08.02 | dondelelcaro | buchkurish: if you have network related questions, #freenode is the place to ask, not here. |
| 00:08.14 | SKOM | dondelelcaro: that menas |
| 00:08.16 | SKOM | *means |
| 00:08.17 | buchkurish | dondelelcaro: thank you bosss =) |
| 00:08.17 | dondelelcaro | SKOM: if you've got a specific piece of hardware that doesn't work, you may have to build the driver for it |
| 00:08.26 | buchkurish | dondelelcaro: that kismit wants to install total of all is 90 megs |
| 00:08.33 | buchkurish | dondelelcaro: i dont mind if it does, but is that normal? |
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| 00:08.45 | streuner | no |
| 00:08.47 | SKOM | but if that piece of HW wasn't inside while i was installing system |
| 00:08.49 | SKOM | ? |
| 00:08.53 | dondelelcaro | buchkurish: if that's what the size of the dependencies that you don't have installed is, that's how much it is. |
| 00:08.54 | nvz | I have a theory that if I backup all my damn configs instead of re-doing it when I change systems.. then i'll forget how to configure it cause I rely too much on having configs backed up |
| 00:08.56 | dondelelcaro | SKOM: doesn't matter |
| 00:09.01 | SKOM | really ? |
| 00:09.05 | dondelelcaro | SKOM: pretty much, yes. |
| 00:09.05 | abrotman | buchkurish: packages have dependencies .. stuff the program needs to work |
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| 00:09.13 | nvz | but not backing em up I get too lazy to redo the ones that are non-essential |
| 00:09.21 | eth01 | how do i search my system for a specific file? |
| 00:09.28 | multi_io | in aptitude, I choose samba for installation, get some conflicts (i keep all packages on hold by default), go to teh resolution screen, go to a resolution which displays "Install the following packages:\n samba [3.0.24-6+lenny3 (testing)]", hit "!" (Apply). I'm transferred back to the main package view, in which samba is *not* selected for installation. Why? |
| 00:09.40 | buchkurish | 104 |
| 00:09.42 | buchkurish | thanks |
| 00:09.45 | streuner | eth01: /msg dpkg search |
| 00:09.48 | buchkurish | thanks abrotman thanks dondelelcaro |
| 00:09.50 | buchkurish | =) |
| 00:10.16 | stoned | actually |
| 00:10.18 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 00:10.18 | dpkg | hmm... dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 00:10.25 | dondelelcaro | multi_io: in general having all of the packages on hold is a bad idea... |
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| 00:10.31 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:10.37 | stoned | keep in mind that dpkg is a damn good resoruce as well |
| 00:10.45 | buchkurish | abrotman or dondelelcaro do you guys have any idea why putty boots me out? every mm few min, on and off not sure if its the same time all the time |
| 00:10.46 | stoned | streuner: sup man buddy dude |
| 00:10.56 | buchkurish | but i just get this message, connetion reset by peer .. something like that |
| 00:10.58 | abrotman | boots you out of what .. and likely a router |
| 00:11.03 | buchkurish | putty |
| 00:11.06 | dondelelcaro | buchkurish: it's something on your network, most likely. |
| 00:11.06 | multi_io | dondelelcaro: can you answer my question? :-P |
| 00:11.07 | nvz | before the computer age there probably weren't any industries that had professionals worryign about running out of memory (in their heads) but I've learned a long time ago from watching my mentors and colleagues burn-out that there is a seemingly limitless ammount of stuff to learn in this field and you gotta be careful what you obsorb and what you don't |
| 00:11.09 | [phear]crippler | What would i need to do if the terminal is asking for a password and i need to logon to a different account than the one it is asking the password for?? |
| 00:11.11 | buchkurish | just disconnects from my server thats located on the network |
| 00:11.23 | abrotman | [phear]crippler: you'd ask #dslinux or ##linux |
| 00:11.26 | streuner | stoned: yes, the bot is helpful |
| 00:11.47 | nvz | I love to learn, which makes me even more concerned.. so I got weird ways that try protect me from over extending my mind's capacity |
| 00:11.49 | stoned | streuner: yes, but how are you doing? |
| 00:11.49 | multi_io | dondelelcaro: I don't want to have to update packages all the time, that's why I keep them on hold |
| 00:11.59 | stoned | its like 90F in my room damn all these machiens |
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| 00:12.16 | eth01 | how do i search my system for a specific file? |
| 00:12.19 | streuner | stoned: mostly the monitor give the temp.... |
| 00:12.24 | [phear]crippler | its shitty i cant get help with a debian based linux in #debian |
| 00:12.25 | stoned | yup |
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| 00:12.32 | dondelelcaro | multi_io: I'm also not sure if ! applies; I seem to remember it being . or similar. |
| 00:12.33 | multi_io | eth01: locate filename |
| 00:12.34 | stoned | !based on debian |
| 00:12.34 | dpkg | Your distribution uses <apt>, but is not officialy Debian maintained (see <why Debian>), nor do we manage all aspects of it. (see <Debian policy>) Therefore, we are not obligated to help you (see <based on Debian caveats>). Please visit the proper IRC channel for your distribution. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> to name a few. |
| 00:12.40 | nvz | on a random note, this bottle of rum I just bought for $9 has a $5 mail-in rebate.. heh.. I've never seen a rebate on alcohol before |
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| 00:12.51 | streuner | stoned: always have a smoke detector there |
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| 00:13.02 | stoned | streuner: yup |
| 00:13.03 | multi_io | dondelelcaro: . is for going to the next possible resolution |
| 00:13.05 | stoned | always |
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| 00:13.38 | streuner | stoned: some dude died a few days ago here, the AC had a defect and he hadnt a smoke detector |
| 00:13.38 | dondelelcaro | multi_io: if it's not actually applying the selected resolution, then something else blocked it; possibly the holds. |
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| 00:13.49 | dondelelcaro | multi_io: you can just step through the broken packages and manually resolve it fairly trivially |
| 00:13.52 | stoned | oh |
| 00:13.57 | stoned | I got central air |
| 00:13.57 | streuner | sad |
| 00:14.05 | stoned | no it isn't |
| 00:14.07 | stoned | its awesome |
| 00:14.20 | stoned | ac units suck |
| 00:14.20 | streuner | well, i bought one too, because never trust power supplies either |
| 00:14.24 | tanlaan | Does anyone know how I can set up an alternative way to right click? I am on an iMac with the hockey puck mouse. running kde |
| 00:14.25 | stoned | central air kicks ass |
| 00:14.49 | stoned | tanlaan: maybe a key +mouse combo |
| 00:14.50 | gimp__ | i just made the kernel do i have to mess with grub? |
| 00:14.52 | stoned | yo have a one button mouse? |
| 00:14.54 | abrotman | tanlaan: i thought you held in the apple key or something |
| 00:15.07 | stoned | oh hockey puck |
| 00:15.13 | stoned | I read honey something dude I'm going blind |
| 00:15.17 | streuner | s/either/too/ |
| 00:15.21 | multi_io | dondelelcaro: I thought "something blocking the update" is the reason for having the conflict resolution facility in the 1st place |
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| 00:15.34 | tanlaan | abrotman: normally it is ctrl-click or F12 |
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| 00:15.52 | dondelelcaro | multi_io: yes, but holds are another issue entirely; I'm not sure if the conflict resolution will break them. |
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| 00:16.12 | buchkurish | aite |
| 00:16.17 | buchkurish | this is makin me mad :( |
| 00:16.28 | buchkurish | ive started installing kismet, booted me out of putty, now how the hell do i see the process |
| 00:16.49 | tanlaan | Plus, I need help with my screen geometry. iMac's do not have a way to change it manually. I'm on a G3 iMac btw. |
| 00:17.00 | multi_io | dondelelcaro: several packages were selected for update after pressing "!", so it can and does remove holds |
| 00:17.23 | dondelelcaro | multi_io: *shrug*; then go through and see what specifically is causing the solution not to work; could be a bug. |
| 00:17.34 | krazykit | tanlaan, using x, you would use xrandr, if your xorg.conf is set up properly |
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| 00:17.45 | dondelelcaro | (it's hard for me to sit here and see what is causing that solution to fail without actually knowing the exact versions of all of the packages in question) |
| 00:17.45 | endra | hey |
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| 00:18.08 | buchkurish | anyone? , i started 'aptitude install kismet' and putty disconnected me from my machine, when i log back in i cant see the process of instalation, what do i do? |
| 00:18.26 | dondelelcaro | multi_io: the other aspect of having put all of the packages on hold though, is that you won't update packages which have had bugs fixed which don't introduce a versioned dependency. |
| 00:18.49 | dondelelcaro | multi_io: so doing that isn't a particularly good idea. [If something breaks, you can always use snapshot.debian.org to go back] |
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| 00:18.56 | endra | I've been using debian and gentoo for a while now, and I like how gentoo always has the latest versions of every application, but has to compile it.. and I'm not very satisfied with how debian has special 'debian versions' of programs. Can someone recommend a mix between the two? |
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| 00:19.20 | dondelelcaro | endra: both gentoo and debian apply patches before building whatever they distribute. |
| 00:19.25 | streuner | !gentoosmite endra |
| 00:19.36 | dondelelcaro | streuner: that's not particularly useful. |
| 00:19.45 | streuner | but fine ;-) |
| 00:19.58 | antgel | no, 1% down is definitely a bad result |
| 00:20.06 | dondelelcaro | endra: but if you want more recent versions of packages, they're usually in unstable and/or experimental. In the rare cases when it's not, you can jump in and help out so that they are. |
| 00:20.11 | krazykit | endra, testing and unstable have more up to date software, at the cost of stability |
| 00:20.44 | endra | I've tried testing and unstable, and I've had sever problems with it. |
| 00:20.51 | dondelelcaro | streuner: that's great, but using it against people isn't particularly useful. |
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| 00:21.13 | dondelelcaro | endra: well, in almost all of the cases, those "severe" problems are the result of new upstream versions with bugs. |
| 00:21.20 | streuner | if people make a statement against Debian, i wll use that factoid again |
| 00:21.33 | stoned | I might kill people over it |
| 00:21.39 | buchkurish | grr , can someoen tell me how i can quit |
| 00:21.44 | buchkurish | whatever i was doing before |
| 00:21.47 | stoned | not that I will, but just throwing it out there |
| 00:21.52 | antgel | it's just a bit of fun in this dry, dry, world of irc |
| 00:22.02 | stoned | dry? |
| 00:22.04 | buchkurish | im unsure how far it is or what its doing right now i got disconected from putty while 'aptitude install kismet' was rolling |
| 00:22.05 | stoned | hardly |
| 00:22.15 | stoned | there are tons of interesting characters on irc |
| 00:22.28 | endra | I like debian and all, I'm just looking to experiment with somthing else for the time being.. was just curious if you had any recommendations (what I look for is binary distro, latest versions of application, possibility of a custom kernel and a decent package manager like aptitude) |
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| 00:23.34 | Injen | ubu |
| 00:23.36 | loupgaroublond | endra, fedora, archlinux, ubuntu, opensuse |
| 00:23.48 | stoned | LFS |
| 00:24.02 | endra | well, ubuntu has the same packages as debian doesn't it? |
| 00:24.06 | dondelelcaro | endra: in my experience, useful ones beside Debian don't exist. |
| 00:24.07 | stoned | no |
| 00:24.16 | Injen | ubuntu will feel comfortable to you |
| 00:24.16 | stoned | dondelelcaro: amen |
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| 00:24.27 | abrotman | loupgaroublond: those are apt4rpm .. not sure if that's really what he meant |
| 00:24.33 | abrotman | well .. 3/4 are |
| 00:24.36 | stoned | Injen: could you kindly not push Ubuntu in #debian |
| 00:24.45 | dondelelcaro | and in general, if you actually want the latest packages, using testing/unstable is the thing to do, with a bit of tweaking if you run into problems. |
| 00:24.48 | Injen | I apologize. |
| 00:24.48 | loupgaroublond | abrotman, nope, archlinux has pacman, dunno about opensuse, but fedora has yum |
| 00:25.04 | abrotman | loupgaroublond: so .. not apt based at all ? |
| 00:25.08 | abrotman | and so totally OT |
| 00:25.20 | stoned | 4+ years, 1 laptop, 1 sid, 1 desire. |
| 00:25.29 | antgel | sex? |
| 00:25.31 | stoned | going stable as always, no reinstalls no bs |
| 00:25.59 | stoned | maye an app will crash here and there |
| 00:26.03 | stoned | rarely |
| 00:26.15 | stoned | but whats really fun is when xorg is broken in sid |
| 00:26.17 | loupgaroublond | abrotman, of course, good to know what the competition uses, but fedora uses yum, which is written from scratch, although they snarkly claim that if you want the superiority of apt, just install it |
| 00:26.21 | stoned | or when if grub breaks |
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| 00:26.28 | loupgaroublond | abrotman, then i smack them, because it's not integrated or supported properly |
| 00:26.31 | stoned | or some thing.. you get the idea |
| 00:26.52 | antgel | endra: ubuntu != debian, it sounds like a good thing at first but i installed a box and, er, meh. it's a different culture, for sure |
| 00:27.03 | antgel | no smiting on #ubuntu |
| 00:27.04 | stoned | dude |
| 00:27.05 | endra | .. I only use 3 applications ever: firefox, azureus, eclipse.. and 2 of them don't work with each other in debian.. so uh, yea. |
| 00:27.07 | stoned | I tried ubuntu for a week |
| 00:27.10 | antgel | !smite abrotman |
| 00:27.13 | gravity | Heh, xorg breaks for me all the time |
| 00:27.16 | abrotman | hey .. i stopped! |
| 00:27.18 | stoned | I honestly gave it an honest try |
| 00:27.19 | gravity | It'll probably break several times tonight |
| 00:27.20 | stoned | but it just pisses me off |
| 00:27.25 | streuner | gravity: hehe |
| 00:27.28 | stoned | gravity: heh, quit screwing around |
| 00:27.44 | dondelelcaro | endra: don't work together in what way? |
| 00:27.44 | gravity | stoned: You'll love it when I finish this |
| 00:27.47 | Shadur | antgel: It's working again now. Looks like there's two versions of x11-common currently available for sid. 1:7.2-5 and 1:7.2-ds3. For some reason an automatic upgrade installed the latter which doesn't actually work. |
| 00:27.53 | stoned | dude I'm sure I wil |
| 00:27.54 | stoned | I kid |
| 00:27.56 | stoned | :) |
| 00:28.00 | loupgaroublond | endra, those apps by nature aren't meant to work together at all |
| 00:28.04 | endra | dondelelcaro: azureus won't install when eclipse is installed, vice versa. I've filled bugs but nothing yet. |
| 00:28.08 | abrotman | gravity: will we get more free drivers?! |
| 00:28.17 | stoned | az is a piece of poo |
| 00:28.23 | stoned | rtorrent ftw |
| 00:28.33 | antgel | i thought it's good for someone who wants less control (=power), and likes a really cheesy, nothing like real life user community |
| 00:28.37 | gravity | abrotman: I'm not working on that, sadly |
| 00:28.37 | stoned | or actually, you could use the default pygtk gui torrent client |
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| 00:28.51 | stoned | why azureus? its total bloatware |
| 00:28.52 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 00:28.57 | abrotman | sadly? |
| 00:28.59 | dondelelcaro | endra: eh? they should be able to install at the same time. azureus just depends on java-virtual-machine which almost any java implementation should provide |
| 00:29.41 | endra | dondelelcaro: nah, they have some dependency on the same package named in different ways, and that package won't install if the other same package is installed |
| 00:29.44 | stoned | endra: you filed bugs on debian bts regarding azureus not being installed alongside eclipse? |
| 00:29.51 | dondelelcaro | endra: from looking at it here they both should install java-gcj-compat by default, so there shouldn't be any reason why they won't install at the same time. What's the bug number? |
| 00:29.53 | CrippsFX | ...except for random crashes everytime I turn my back :/ |
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| 00:30.21 | dondelelcaro | CrippsFX: you'll be happier with rtorrent (or something else that uses libtorrent) |
| 00:30.22 | stoned | endra: then simply install java packages, download azureus to your ~/.azureus and launch ~/.azureus/azureus |
| 00:30.25 | endra | stoned: no, because the same package (something-java-swf) is also as java-something-swf and each application needs one. |
| 00:30.27 | stoned | whats the problem? |
| 00:30.33 | endra | stoned: I did that, there is no problem. |
| 00:30.40 | stoned | oh alright |
| 00:31.01 | CrippsFX | dondelelcaro, maybe after I finish downloading my next two torrents (4 GiB each, and they're both halfway done) |
| 00:31.02 | endra | stoned: I'm just stating one of the problems I'm having with debian and why I want to switch to something similar to debian but has latest binary versions |
| 00:31.26 | dondelelcaro | endra: I'm not seeing that particular issue; what's the bug number that you filed? |
| 00:31.27 | stoned | just learn to use debian |
| 00:31.36 | stoned | if i need a very very latest package |
| 00:31.49 | stoned | I just simply use build-dep blah, then download the source from upstream, make some packages myself |
| 00:31.56 | stoned | its fairly easy if you can read |
| 00:31.58 | antgel | endra: don't you see, you can't have your cake and eat it. newer versions are less tested. moreso in terms of integration |
| 00:32.07 | antgel | stoned: heh |
| 00:32.17 | CrippsFX | dondelelcaro, ahh ... nah, for bt I tend to shy away from the CLI and curses based stuff. |
| 00:32.25 | loupgaroublond | endra, you have no guarantee that any other distro will do better than debian, and you'll probably find many features missing |
| 00:32.39 | stoned | dude debian is the FUCKING BEST! |
| 00:32.44 | endra | loupgaroublond: I know.. I'm not flaming debian, I just want to experiment.. lol |
| 00:32.49 | dondelelcaro | CrippsFX: trust me, you want to use it, especially for that reason |
| 00:32.51 | stoned | I've used all sorts of distros and honestly man |
| 00:32.52 | loupgaroublond | endra, i know, i've been down that route too |
| 00:32.56 | streuner | stoned: calm down |
| 00:32.57 | stoned | I just can't tear myself away from debian |
| 00:32.59 | stoned | its just soo damn good |
| 00:33.06 | streuner | amen |
| 00:33.06 | stoned | streuner: i can' tman, I love debian too much :) |
| 00:33.10 | loupgaroublond | stoned, you sound stoned ;) |
| 00:33.15 | antgel | it's like that film, fatal attraction |
| 00:33.16 | stoned | not at all |
| 00:33.37 | CrippsFX | dondelelcaro, what is the benefit to a curses based client over an X based cliient (besides the obvious less overhead) |
| 00:34.13 | karsten | CrippsFX: You can use them remotely over terminal sessions, when X is hosed, over PuTTY, within screen, etc. |
| 00:34.13 | dondelelcaro | CrippsFX: 1) it works in screen 2) it can be started on a directory of torrents with a single command 3) it can be run on remote machines |
| 00:34.13 | streuner | endra: well, you had your experiement, just install Debian now :-) |
| 00:34.18 | antgel | one thing i like about debian is that there's no hype, no marketing bullshit, the distro speaks for itself, and those that get it, just do. very few people ime move onto another distro for long |
| 00:34.25 | endra | streuner: .. im running debian now lol. |
| 00:34.33 | Injen | I use Debian for all my servers, but will not deny configuring them almost identical to "other" distros, such as setting up a rootless box with sudoers and such. |
| 00:34.39 | endra | streuner: i've been running debian for 4-5 months now |
| 00:34.43 | streuner | oh |
| 00:34.55 | gimp__ | after make install_modules what do i have to do? |
| 00:35.04 | gimp__ | it's different since debian uses grub right? |
| 00:35.05 | CrippsFX | dondelelcaro, from within rtorrent, is there a way to apply priority to specific files wwithin the torrent? |
| 00:35.05 | streuner | that is getting better and better... |
| 00:35.06 | antgel | no hype apart from stoned's comments that is, fanboy :P |
| 00:35.09 | loupgaroublond | endra, i do that too, but try doing that on fedora, things just don't work as well that way |
| 00:35.16 | loupgaroublond | endra, that is the sudo business |
| 00:35.16 | dondelelcaro | CrippsFX: +/-; man rtorrent for details. |
| 00:35.27 | CrippsFX | i.e. I download torrents of anime, 25 eps each, I want the first 5 eps to download first |
| 00:35.28 | endra | loupgaroublond: you do what? |
| 00:35.41 | CrippsFX | dondelelcaro, I'll give it a shot. |
| 00:35.42 | Injen | It's still hard to recommend Debian as a user friendly os. It requires immediate administration for my needs. |
| 00:35.50 | dondelelcaro | CrippsFX: yeah, so enter to view the torrent, then go down to the files, then use spacebar to change the priority |
| 00:35.51 | loupgaroublond | endra, use sudo, trying to do so is a disaster on fedora though, although it's coming soon |
| 00:35.58 | Injen | But, I wouldn;t recommend anything other than Debian for servers |
| 00:36.02 | CrippsFX | dondelelcaro, oh, nifty. |
| 00:36.13 | endra | loupgaroublond: I don't know what you're talking about, I never mentioned sudo |
| 00:36.14 | dondelelcaro | (that it uses different keys for per-file than per-torrent is kind of odd, but whatever) |
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| 00:36.27 | CrippsFX | dondelelcaro, so, is it possible to pick up downloading a torrent from where another client left off? |
| 00:36.35 | antgel | Injen: i don't agree, but the user has to put in a bit of effort. i find that in a lot of cases in computer science, putting in 10% more effort means 50% more utility |
| 00:36.35 | dondelelcaro | CrippsFX: yes |
| 00:36.36 | loupgaroublond | endra, oh, sorry, that was for Injen, he has the same colour and nick length on my client |
| 00:36.49 | dondelelcaro | CrippsFX: assuming the other client doesn't do any funky renaming of the files in the torrent, anyway. |
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| 00:37.16 | CrippsFX | dondelelcaro, I think ktorrent runs in a pretty standard way ;) |
| 00:37.39 | CrippsFX | dondelelcaro, I'm installing now. I'll give it a shot once thaat's done. |
| 00:39.02 | CrippsFX | Injen, I use debian on my laptop, the onlly quaalms I have are broadcom for bcm4318, and ati drivers ... other than that, debian is great because it's one of the few truly GNU GNU/Linux distros out there ... |
| 00:39.07 | Injen | I think that an operating system should not allow a fresh user to set a million options, only to set up a system incorrectly or insecure. |
| 00:39.26 | Injen | It's better to remove applications, than set them up incorrectly |
| 00:39.44 | Injen | Hence, I endorse =certain os's automatically setting up sudo/ers, |
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| 00:40.05 | eth01 | libssh2? |
| 00:40.15 | abrotman | eth01? |
| 00:40.15 | Injen | because most people woud just add a ADD USER line in there, and not add aliases to secure sudo. |
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| 00:40.54 | andrew_ | where do i find debian net install testing iso file? (can you give me a mirror?) i cant load the ulr on the page |
| 00:41.04 | eth01 | ? |
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| 00:41.20 | gimp__ | you can't install a kernel on debian without using kernelpackage? |
| 00:41.29 | streuner | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 00:41.48 | krazykit | gimp__, you can, but it's far easier with kernel package |
| 00:41.51 | CrippsFX | gimp__, you *can* ... but doing it without the kernel-packages is generally a bad ideaa. |
| 00:42.03 | karsten | gimp__: Sure you can. However make-kp or a kernel package is *very* strongly recommended. |
| 00:42.03 | CrippsFX | krazykit, beat me to the punchline ;) |
| 00:42.05 | abrotman | gimp__: you can |
| 00:42.18 | abrotman | gimp__: but kernel-package is pretty nice |
| 00:42.34 | andrew_ | i cant load cdimage.debian.org thing, thats why i need you to give me a direct link to the file |
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| 00:43.34 | streuner | andrew_: the URL above works pretty well |
| 00:43.38 | karsten | gimp__: packages: 1. configure your bootloader 2. configure & build initrds 3. install system map and config files 4. are easily uninstallable 5. are fully managed by your standard Debian package tools. |
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| 00:44.10 | andrew_ | streuner: not for me |
| 00:44.13 | abrotman | karsten: you forgot 'dead simple to use' |
| 00:44.31 | streuner | andrew_: odd, what CPU do you have? |
| 00:44.42 | andrew_ | x86 |
| 00:44.50 | abrotman | so what didn't work ? |
| 00:44.56 | andrew_ | debian testing x86 netinstall |
| 00:45.06 | andrew_ | thats what i want |
| 00:45.14 | abrotman | use etch .. then upgrade to lenny ? |
| 00:45.15 | karsten | abrotman: Um, that was the "abrotman likes it" bit. |
| 00:45.38 | abrotman | karsten: hush up .. you're not supposed to talk about that in public |
| 00:46.14 | streuner | andrew_: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 00:47.37 | andrew_ | tks |
| 00:47.48 | streuner | no worries |
| 00:48.03 | simonrvn | you're not coming into my house with those things |
| 00:48.29 | simonrvn | you should check they're not lime disease-carrying ticks too |
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| 00:48.36 | andrew_ | thanks, and bye |
| 00:49.08 | CrippsFX | dondelelcaro, rtorrent looks like something I could get used to (much like vim) ... how would I go about using it to continue downloading 2 torrernts that I started with ktorrent? |
| 00:49.27 | CrippsFX | dondelelcaro, just open the torrent and set the destination folder to the existing one? |
| 00:50.56 | abrotman | CrippsFX: seems reasonable |
| 00:51.13 | jetscreamer | rocky mountain spotted fever highhhhhh ... colorado |
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| 00:51.53 | CrippsFX | abrotman, sure does. That's why it was the first idea to come into my mind ;) |
| 00:52.12 | abrotman | jetscreamer: shouldn't you be at work ? |
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| 00:52.25 | jetscreamer | abrotman: i'm back already |
| 00:52.29 | Ubuntu-fr870 | lu |
| 00:52.37 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 00:52.38 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu - See also <based on debian caveats>. |
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| 00:52.52 | Ubuntu-fr870 | Ya des frenchies ? |
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| 00:53.11 | jetscreamer | !fr |
| 00:53.11 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:53.20 | abrotman | jetscreamer: he's not running debian |
| 00:53.20 | Ubuntu-fr870 | Debian fr dort ... |
| 00:53.32 | abrotman | try #ubuntu-fr |
| 00:53.32 | jetscreamer | let them tell him |
| 00:53.47 | abrotman | Ubuntu-fr870: /join #ubuntu-fr |
| 00:53.49 | CrippsFX | jetscreamer, lol |
| 00:53.52 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:55.35 | jetscreamer | i got my first jfs error |
| 00:55.39 | datadr|nke1 | hey guys, debian is totally broken. i dpkg-reconfigure'd xserver-xorg to use the new intel driver without compiling in agpgart and then switched back to the vesa driver and xorg doesn't start but doesn't crash either. so when i boot my system i can't do anything because even ctrl+alt+backspace doesn't exit from the blank screen. how do i set drivers back to vesa and use apt-get to install agpgart? |
| 00:55.56 | jetscreamer | and fsck couldn't fix it on / i had to boot a livecd |
| 00:56.12 | abrotman | datadr|nke1: boot to console |
| 00:56.23 | jetscreamer | nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 00:56.32 | jetscreamer | or shell out to a console |
| 00:56.33 | datadr|nke1 | how albrot? |
| 00:56.46 | jetscreamer | ctrl alt F1 maybe |
| 00:57.06 | jetscreamer | see also the 'single' option in the menu when you boot |
| 00:57.13 | datadr|nke1 | during boot? |
| 00:57.28 | jetscreamer | the blue screen where you choose what to boot? grub menu? |
| 00:57.36 | jetscreamer | when you turn the box on? |
| 00:57.45 | datadr|nke1 | yup i just chose single user |
| 00:57.51 | jetscreamer | single |
| 00:57.52 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 00:58.06 | datadr|nke1 | thank you |
| 00:58.26 | jetscreamer | or whatever it says... emergency repair thingy |
| 00:58.31 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 01:02.45 | databuddy | um |
| 01:02.50 | databuddy | anyone good at grub stuff? |
| 01:03.09 | databuddy | nothing connected to my ide controller card can boot - opticals when there // hdd's when on it. |
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| 01:03.29 | databuddy | i think the problem is its not detected in the bios at all, so i'm open to ideas? |
| 01:03.40 | stoned | bad ide controller |
| 01:03.43 | databuddy | [drives attached to it are accessable when in os] |
| 01:03.57 | stoned | if the bios can't detect it, your OS certainly can't use it |
| 01:04.05 | databuddy | OS can certainly use it when booted |
| 01:04.17 | stoned | how is it possible |
| 01:04.20 | datadr|nke1 | how do i add etch-backports to my sources.list? |
| 01:04.22 | databuddy | thats what i wanna know! |
| 01:04.35 | eth01 | where can I get SSH2? |
| 01:04.38 | databuddy | my opticals are on the card my hdd's are connected via cable >> mobo pata |
| 01:04.45 | gimp__ | do you need an initrd for a new kernel? |
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| 01:04.51 | streuner | eth01: ssh could do both |
| 01:04.55 | databuddy | when i switch that i cant boot to hdd's but can to opticals. |
| 01:04.59 | ic56 | stoned: the OS is not obligated to go through the BIOS to access a device. That's why. |
| 01:05.08 | databuddy | ic56: ok good now we're getting somewhere. |
| 01:05.15 | databuddy | is there a boot loader that ignores stuff from bios? |
| 01:05.16 | stoned | wow |
| 01:05.17 | eth01 | this is for PHP |
| 01:05.20 | eth01 | $connection |
| 01:05.29 | stoned | ic56: thats messed up |
| 01:05.48 | stoned | ime, if bios is not able to get to a device, neither has the os |
| 01:06.01 | stoned | s/has/can |
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| 01:07.02 | ic56 | databuddy: I don't know how grub is coded inside. My guess is it relies on the BIOS -- otherwise it would have to be much bigger. |
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| 01:07.40 | ic56 | databuddy: grub is the biggest boot loader; the others are even more likely to rely on the BIOS. |
| 01:07.47 | abrotman | datadr|nke1: the instructions are at backports.org |
| 01:07.59 | axxs | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.21 | axxs | I tried the php channel ... no luck on an answer ... |
| 01:08.37 | jetscreamer | so how do i let users mount iso's with -o loop |
| 01:08.56 | ic56 | databuddy: however, it's possible the reason you cannot boot is not a hw problem but some configuration issue in your BIOS or in your IDE card's flash ROM (if it has one) |
| 01:09.18 | stoned | wait a minute. if you have an hdd that isn't getting detected by the bios, then how can you even boot the system? *minus the usb/cd/net* |
| 01:09.27 | stoned | this does not compute. |
| 01:09.37 | phogg | jetscreamer: Might be possible with fstab? Something like /dev/loop1 /mnt/loop iso9660 defaults,users,loop |
| 01:09.52 | phogg | jetscreamer: or, no... the device should be the image file |
| 01:09.55 | ic56 | databuddy: a last possibility is that the problem is that there's something in your partitioning that's confusing grub or the BIOS |
| 01:10.04 | stoned | this is crazy man |
| 01:10.07 | stoned | where the fuck have I been |
| 01:10.10 | stoned | under a rock or something? |
| 01:10.13 | stoned | sheesh |
| 01:10.16 | ic56 | stoned: you are correct: if teh BIOS cannot detect a disk, then the BIOS cannot boot the computer from that disk. |
| 01:10.19 | jetscreamer | access to loop might be a better question |
| 01:11.16 | stoned | ic56: but if you boot from a cd which is getting detected by bios, but still no hdd being detected, then you can access that non detectable drive after you boot up through usb or cd? |
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| 01:11.57 | abrotman | axxs: check the bts .. bugs.debian.org/php4-gd .. check the archived reports also .. see if anything matches |
| 01:12.06 | Pedro420 | nvz: nandrew ? |
| 01:12.10 | axxs | thanks abrotman ! |
| 01:12.16 | ic56 | databuddy: you are going to have to test. You need a 2nd IDE card that can attach to your drives. See if you can narrow down the source of the problem thorugh elimination |
| 01:12.18 | stoned | Pedro420: nice nick |
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| 01:12.30 | stoned | Pedro420: fumando motta :) |
| 01:12.35 | Pedro420 | stoned: spanx |
| 01:12.54 | abrotman | axxs: if you can't find anything that matches ... double check your setup .. and maybe file a bug then |
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| 01:13.26 | axxs | cheers abrotman will do |
| 01:14.20 | ic56 | stoned: yes, theoretically, once the OS is booted, the BIOS is no longer required (though different OSs have different requirements inside -- Linux may or may not have some dependency somewhere in the kernel). However, if the BIOS had trouble accessing a disk, chances are the problem affects teh OS too. |
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| 01:15.34 | ploob | hi |
| 01:15.48 | ploob | i have a problem : modprobe ndiswrapper error :/ |
| 01:16.13 | antgel | ploob: what OS are you using? |
| 01:16.29 | ploob | Debian:) |
| 01:16.41 | ploob | Debian testing |
| 01:16.59 | eth01 | where can I get SSH2? |
| 01:17.03 | antgel | !tell ploob about paste |
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| 01:17.10 | ploob | ok |
| 01:17.11 | stoned | eth01: apt-get install ssh |
| 01:17.27 | abrotman | eth01: you already have it |
| 01:17.34 | eth01 | yes.. |
| 01:17.39 | eth01 | libssh2? |
| 01:17.41 | ploob | FATAL: module ndiswrapper not found |
| 01:17.43 | eth01 | is that what that is? |
| 01:17.45 | ploob | :/ |
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| 01:18.27 | jetscreamer | you have to build it |
| 01:18.29 | antgel | ploob: and what have you done to get this far? |
| 01:18.34 | jetscreamer | m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
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| 01:20.45 | ploob | antgel => command modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 01:20.53 | ploob | response FATAL: module ndiswrapper doest not exist |
| 01:21.03 | databuddy | ic56: it seems to be like that with debian and ubuntu |
| 01:21.07 | databuddy | on the dont need the bios thing |
| 01:21.13 | eth01 | when I compile libssh2 I get the following error -> http://rafb.net/p/URJGtd13.html |
| 01:21.14 | databuddy | sorry about that i just got bought some taco bell :D |
| 01:21.47 | ic56 | databuddy: good luck then! |
| 01:21.49 | databuddy | oh and i can get it to boot from a flash drive |
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| 01:22.13 | databuddy | so i saw this interesting page about booting a cdrom from grub and was hoping to do so |
| 01:22.16 | databuddy | but gah |
| 01:22.28 | databuddy | grub is essentially an uuuuuber stripped down os isnt it? |
| 01:22.33 | databuddy | like a mini kernel? |
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| 01:22.51 | wykis | Hello, how can I get DVB drivers installed on Debian? |
| 01:23.16 | abrotman | eth01: why |
| 01:23.23 | ic56 | databuddy: yes. it is a bootloader that can read filesystems |
| 01:23.25 | antgel | wykis: what have you tried so far? |
| 01:24.05 | databuddy | ic56: a bootloader? gah i need to read some more. i was hoping to do say a boot into a micro dos and have that be able to detect the missing drives, or boot to a bus id or something |
| 01:24.19 | wykis | antgel: not much, loaded the modules |
| 01:24.26 | eth01 | abrotman: im trying to install libssh2, for an PHP app. |
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| 01:24.36 | o2T7 | How to add a public key for apt-get update? |
| 01:24.42 | abrotman | !info libssh-2 etch |
| 01:24.49 | abrotman | !info libssh2-0 etch |
| 01:24.50 | antgel | wykis: great, so what's the problem |
| 01:24.57 | wykis | aah |
| 01:24.58 | wykis | nevermind :P |
| 01:24.59 | _DunK_ | hi, could someone perhaps tell me the update-alternatives command for changing the window manager? |
| 01:25.03 | wykis | I'll look in the install CD for starters |
| 01:25.18 | antgel | _DunK_: ls /etc/alternatives may inform you |
| 01:25.41 | antgel | _DunK_: but why not put it in your .xsession if it's just you? |
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| 01:25.55 | abrotman | !find libssh etch |
| 01:26.12 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libssh' returned no results. |
| 01:26.20 | _DunK_ | if it was ion that I was trying to run, would I just stick "ion" in the xsession (with the hash-bang, of course) ? |
| 01:26.23 | eth01 | heh |
| 01:26.31 | eth01 | !find ssh2 |
| 01:26.33 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'ssh2' (4): libganymed-ssh2-java ;; libssh2-0 ;; libssh2-0-dbg ;; libssh2-0-dev. |
| 01:26.46 | antgel | _DunK_: no #! |
| 01:27.06 | _DunK_ | no?! |
| 01:27.25 | _DunK_ | -*argh*- |
| 01:27.32 | _DunK_ | that might just explain a -lot- |
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| 01:27.50 | antgel | _DunK_: man xsession |
| 01:27.57 | hagabaka | how can i list the build dependencies of a package? |
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| 01:28.36 | Squart | hello |
| 01:28.37 | _DunK_ | yeah, I think I need to do some reading. |
| 01:28.40 | _DunK_ | thanks :) |
| 01:29.13 | Squart | looking for some help on choosing a back up software for dvdrw |
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| 01:30.49 | abrotman | hagabaka: apt-get build-dep <pkg> .. though that will try to install them |
| 01:31.03 | o2T7 | How to get rid of GPG error while doing `apt-get update`? |
| 01:31.16 | stoned | add the keys |
| 01:31.21 | o2T7 | yes, but how |
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| 01:31.27 | o2T7 | How to find them? |
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| 01:31.41 | stoned | hmm |
| 01:31.43 | antgel | !topicsmite o2T7 |
| 01:31.44 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon o2T7. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 01:31.44 | hagabaka | abrotman: i'm aware of that and i can use --dry-run with that too. but it doesn't help if i already have the packages installed... |
| 01:32.37 | hagabaka | even --reinstall doesn't show them |
| 01:32.37 | o2T7 | oh, sorry :$ |
| 01:33.08 | abrotman | hagabaka: apt-get source <pkg> .. look in the debian/control file |
| 01:33.15 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.15 | stoned | :( |
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| 01:33.43 | hagabaka | ok |
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| 01:36.22 | wykis | how can I get ASUS M3000 Mini USB DVB-T receiver to work on my system? I have loaded all dvb available modules, but nothing happens. |
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| 01:39.37 | dondelelcaro | CrippsFX: just run it in the destination directory and select the torrents (if you didn't already figure that out) |
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| 01:40.45 | o2T7 | If I add the unstable repository to my debian etch it will upgrade every package with `apt-get dist-upgrade` |
| 01:40.51 | dondelelcaro | o2T7: yes. |
| 01:41.02 | o2T7 | I want to add the unstable repository but just install one package |
| 01:41.20 | dondelelcaro | don't do that. Use a backport. |
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| 01:41.54 | o2T7 | dondelelcaro: I have read about the sid live-helper |
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| 01:42.14 | o2T7 | at the official site for de live debian project |
| 01:42.20 | o2T7 | they say that |
| 01:42.33 | o2T7 | apt-get install -t unstable live-helper |
| 01:43.25 | o2T7 | But it would change a lot of things in my system |
| 01:44.09 | o2T7 | That package is not in backports :( |
| 01:44.48 | o2T7 | Then, how to make a live stable debian official distro |
| 01:44.53 | o2T7 | ? |
| 01:44.53 | CrippsFX | dondelelcaro, I just ran it, opened the torrents, and changed the torrent "root directory" to the existing one. |
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| 01:45.43 | CrippsFX | dondelelcaro, I'm curious as to how the download speeds are about twice that of ktorrent ... |
| 01:45.43 | jetscreamer | you aren't worthy of official |
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| 01:46.52 | CrippsFX | alright ... bedtime. G'night folks. |
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| 01:49.41 | Darkclaw55 | I am trying to mount and its saying operation not permitted, why? |
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| 01:51.44 | abrotman | what command and what's the full error |
| 01:52.52 | Darkclaw55 | mount /dev/tweds1a /mnt |
| 01:52.57 | Darkclaw55 | mount /dev/tweds1a /mnt |
| 01:53.10 | Darkclaw55 | mount: /dev/twed0s1f: Operation not permitted |
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| 01:54.03 | wykis | I want to patch the kernel and install it over on my system. I apt-get source <package...>, patch the needed files, what do I do next to generate a .deb file that could be installed over the top? |
| 01:54.19 | abrotman | Darkclaw55: as root or a user ? |
| 01:54.25 | Darkclaw55 | root |
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| 01:55.52 | Darkclaw55 | :( |
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| 01:56.55 | Darkclaw55 | twed0: <Unit 0, TwinStor, Normal> on twe0 |
| 01:56.55 | Darkclaw55 | twed0: 238474MB (488395120 sectors) |
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| 02:00.26 | ic56 | Darkclaw55: either twed0slf doesn't have read perm (being root doesn't get you around that) or it isn't a mountable device. The latter is more likely. |
| 02:00.36 | Darkclaw55 | how can I force a mount |
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| 02:01.07 | abrotman | Darkclaw55: are you sure that's the device ? |
| 02:01.11 | Darkclaw55 | yes |
| 02:02.33 | abrotman | and all the permissons are right on the mount point and the device ? |
| 02:02.57 | ic56 | Darkclaw55: the device name in the error message doesn't match the one in your command. This smells of user error. |
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| 02:04.31 | o2T7 | jetscreamer: what do you mean? |
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| 02:06.28 | abrotman | kspath: hello |
| 02:06.41 | kspath | abrotman, hello |
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| 02:18.56 | keith80403 | Power went out, now my Etch machine's eth1 is getting a 169.254.x.x address from my router - other machines on the same router are getting correct 192.168.2.x addresses. No configs have been changed. sudo dhclient eth1 and ifdown / ifup eth1 do not fix the problem. Suggestions? |
| 02:18.58 | lymeca | I'm making an XHTML web page with Kompozer (based off of Nvu) and unfortunately the source viewer/editor pays no attention to white space. I can read the XML opening and closing tags much easier if I have line spaced and indents at the appropriate places. |
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| 02:19.21 | lymeca | Is there some utility that can parse through an XML file and organise it for easy viewing in a normal text editor based off of tag locations? |
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| 02:19.34 | Gm4n | how can I tell my etch system to renew its lease? |
| 02:19.40 | Gm4n | *dhcp |
| 02:20.37 | lymeca | Gm4n: There might be a more direct way, but I usually just run "ifdown eth0" followed by "ifup eth0" where you can switch 'eth0' with your desired interface. |
| 02:20.51 | Gm4n | thanks, lymeca |
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| 02:21.11 | Gm4n | what's the difference between ifconfig <interface> down and ifdown <interface>? |
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| 02:24.04 | dondelelcaro | Gm4n: the latter will handle cleaning up anything else that needs to be stopped. |
| 02:24.41 | Gm4n | fair enough, thanks dondelelcaro |
| 02:24.44 | angasule | I want to link against a specific version of GLIBC (2.3) to transfer the resulting binary to another pc (with an older GLIBC, obviously), I saw some discussion in debian-users but it wasn't resolved as far as I could find, anyone know how to do this? |
| 02:25.08 | dondelelcaro | angasule: best to build it in a chroot with the older glibc |
| 02:25.18 | dondelelcaro | angasule: if it's a Debian machine, pbuilder is the easiest way to do it. |
| 02:25.58 | dondelelcaro | (because not only do you have to link against an older version of libc6, you need to link against libraries that use an older version of libc6. |
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| 02:26.28 | angasule | the main is kubuntu 7.04 (don't kill me please :) I found that discussion on woody and sarge so I thought you might know ) and the target is DSL |
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| 02:26.56 | angasule | a chroot is really a lot of trouble, I might find it easier to create a virtual machine and install DSL there, I guess |
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| 02:27.18 | angasule | the main has 1GB of RAM and the targe 32MB, makes a small difference when compiling heh |
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| 02:28.25 | dondelelcaro | angasule: chroots are trivial. |
| 02:28.34 | dondelelcaro | angasule: what's the target machine running? |
| 02:28.46 | angasule | damn small linux |
| 02:28.57 | dondelelcaro | hahaha |
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| 02:29.05 | angasule | it has 32MB of RAM, what would you run on it ;) |
| 02:29.11 | dondelelcaro | debian |
| 02:29.16 | angasule | right. |
| 02:29.58 | dondelelcaro | so you're running a distribution which isn't debian and want to install to a target which isn't debian |
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| 02:30.42 | angasule | the problem is the same everywhere, I could have sent the other guy in the team, who is running debian |
| 02:30.57 | angasule | both distros are debian derivatives :) |
| 02:31.00 | dondelelcaro | angasule: the problem is the target, actually. If the target was running Debian, it'd be trivial. |
| 02:31.50 | angasule | unfortunately I don't think debian is a possibility, is it? too little memory |
| 02:32.05 | dondelelcaro | angasule: but you can probably do it using an etch chroot; just do something like cdebootstrap etch tempdir http://yourlocaldebianmirror; bind mount stuff if you need it; chroot tempdir; compile away. |
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| 02:32.17 | dondelelcaro | angasule: it's quite definetly a possibility, actually. |
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| 02:32.38 | angasule | hmm, 64MB is listed as the minimum requirement, some say maybe 32 |
| 02:32.40 | jetscreamer | what who what |
| 02:32.52 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 02:32.56 | angasule | when I start X11 currently only 10MB are in use |
| 02:33.15 | jetscreamer | i mean you're not part of the debian project team so it can't be official |
| 02:33.19 | dondelelcaro | angasule: the 64M requirement is purely because it takes that much memory to parse the dependency graph. |
| 02:33.42 | dondelelcaro | (and actually, it doesn't really; it's somwhere around 20M, but once you add everything in, 64M is a safe amount) |
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| 02:34.51 | sophacles | hey all. I just got a new computer and i want to mount the harddrive from the old one in the new one to transfer stuff. Ive got it in there just fine, but its an LVM volume group and im not sure how to mount it. lvdisplay shows the 3 volume, as /dev/mapper/lv1, lv2, and lv3, but those devices dont exist |
| 02:35.00 | sophacles | what should i do from here? |
| 02:36.34 | benjamindees | you can install debian on a machine with more ram and transfer the hard drive |
| 02:37.54 | angasule | benjamindees: is that for me? |
| 02:38.03 | jetscreamer | dude stfu |
| 02:38.11 | benjamindees | angasule: if I understand your question, yes |
| 02:38.19 | abrotman | jetscreamer: ? |
| 02:38.26 | dondelelcaro | sophacles: does /dev/mapper exist? |
| 02:38.43 | jetscreamer | i finally used ignore |
| 02:39.00 | sophacles | dondelelcaro: yes it does, it has one file: control |
| 02:39.08 | angasule | benjamindees: well, it's a laptop, and a crappy one, impossible to dissassemble even if I could use the hard drive elsewhere |
| 02:39.17 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 02:39.17 | dondelelcaro | sophacles: try running lvmdiskscan |
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| 02:40.28 | sophacles | dondelelcaro: ok, did that, now what? |
| 02:40.45 | dondelelcaro | sophacles: do they show up now? |
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| 02:41.17 | sophacles | nope |
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| 02:42.06 | angasule | thanks for the help guys :) |
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| 02:42.24 | jetscreamer | np dude |
| 02:42.47 | jetscreamer | it's the /msg'ing part |
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| 02:43.04 | smacnay | Anyone have troubles using a usb scanner as 'user' with xsane? I can use the scanner as user with scanimage and xscanimage but not xsane. |
| 02:43.29 | smacnay | I am a member of "scanner" group and the udev permissions are for group scanner when running xsane. |
| 02:43.53 | angasule | abrotman: a bit of schizophrenia never hurt anybody |
| 02:43.56 | dondelelcaro | sophacles: and lvm vgscan --mknodes;? |
| 02:44.07 | o2T7 | abrotman: i queried him, sorry |
| 02:44.08 | abrotman | angasule: we'd beg to differ |
| 02:44.53 | jetscreamer | and i was trying to do something and it kept popping up sorry i overreacted |
| 02:45.00 | dondelelcaro | MPD is not schizophrenia |
| 02:45.10 | abrotman | i was kidding |
| 02:45.16 | sophacles | dondelelcaro: that didnt do anythong, however doing lvscan shows them all as inactive |
| 02:45.19 | angasule | dondelelcaro: it looked like he had a bunch of disorders anyway :) |
| 02:45.29 | abrotman | it is a common mistake for the disease though |
| 02:45.37 | jetscreamer | dondelelcaro: how do i let a user use the loop module (so they can mount iso's et al) |
| 02:45.42 | o2T7 | Oh, I really apoligize :$ |
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| 02:45.48 | jetscreamer | np |
| 02:45.51 | dondelelcaro | sophacles: oh, so use lvchange; to activate them |
| 02:45.55 | o2T7 | It won't happen again |
| 02:46.03 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: you don't, really. |
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| 02:46.09 | abrotman | o2T7: the next time .. we take away your internet! :) |
| 02:46.19 | jetscreamer | i want a dollar for every time i type sudo |
| 02:46.37 | sophacles | dondelelcaro: man lvchange says its not active under lvm2.. |
| 02:46.38 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: though you can use sudo to allow the user to run losetup as root... but you probably really want a wrapper that actually does the losetup call. |
| 02:46.40 | o2T7 | abrotman: that's impossible, I get a new line soon ;) |
| 02:46.54 | simonrvn | does fetching it from shellhistory count? ; |
| 02:46.55 | simonrvn | ) |
| 02:47.05 | jetscreamer | yes it does |
| 02:47.06 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: ^^^ |
| 02:47.09 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 02:47.15 | simonrvn | :D |
| 02:47.41 | jean | I finally got my screens working !!!but every movie player that I have plays for about couple of minutes and hangs.This is on AMD64 machine. The motherboard does not have an audio card, would this be the cause |
| 02:47.43 | dondelelcaro | sophacles: someone else may know then; I'm not an lvm expert. |
| 02:47.57 | sophacles | dondelelcaro: thanks for the help so far |
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| 02:49.30 | pike_ | Sacren72 |
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| 02:51.07 | MangosDebian | sophacles: lvm woes? |
| 02:51.20 | sophacles | MangosDebian: yes |
| 02:51.23 | muh2000 | apt-get went ammok |
| 02:51.42 | sophacles | MangosDebian: more ignorance on my part than woes... |
| 02:51.59 | muh2000 | it removed smokeping while i tried to install a emailserver.... 0_0 |
| 02:52.00 | simonrvn | new ST episode: "Amok Apt-Get" |
| 02:52.01 | MangosDebian | sophacles: well, not much of an lvm "expert", but I seem to get out of some sticky situations on pure luck :) |
| 02:52.57 | eth01 | are their any control panels for debian? which enable you to add users, etc, or such..? |
| 02:53.07 | eth01 | nothing like webmin though, etc! |
| 02:53.15 | dondelelcaro | eth01: there are, but you're better off using the CLI tools. |
| 02:53.15 | MangosDebian | sophacles: i assume your vg's are visible and active? |
| 02:53.20 | simonrvn | yeh, it's called xterm |
| 02:53.42 | sophacles | MangosDebian: heres my particular situation, i had a motherboard die, so i put the hdd from that computer into my desktop, to pull the data from it. the disk is its own volume group, with 3 volumes. trying to figure out how to get them to be recognized and mountable |
| 02:54.05 | MangosDebian | sophacles: run vgscan yet? |
| 02:54.05 | simonrvn | vgchange -ay to start it up, then mount them |
| 02:54.07 | simonrvn | easy |
| 02:54.13 | sophacles | MangosDebian: yes. it shows the vg, and vgscan -A --verbose shows the 3 volumes |
| 02:54.15 | MangosDebian | sophacles: pvscan, vgscan and lvscan are usually all you need |
| 02:54.24 | eth01 | dondel: which control panels? |
| 02:54.39 | simonrvn | sophacles: ^^^ |
| 02:54.49 | MangosDebian | sophacles: what does vgdisplay and lvdisplay show? |
| 02:55.02 | dondelelcaro | eth01: cpanel, some others. |
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| 02:55.08 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: heyas |
| 02:55.19 | simonrvn | hi |
| 02:55.24 | eth01 | how do you install a .deb package? |
| 02:55.30 | eth01 | dpkg -p package.deb? |
| 02:55.36 | dondelelcaro | eth01: man dpkg |
| 02:55.36 | simonrvn | -i |
| 02:55.36 | MangosDebian | -i |
| 02:55.42 | simonrvn | rtfm ;) |
| 02:55.48 | MangosDebian | and that :) |
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| 02:56.16 | simonrvn | the options are in the second section IIRC |
| 02:56.17 | sophacles | MangosDebian: vgdisplay shows the group, lvdisplay shows 3 volumes, all as "NOT available" |
| 02:56.35 | simonrvn | sophacles: probably because they haven't been activated yet |
| 02:56.53 | simonrvn | .:22:53:57:. <simonrvn> vgchange -ay to start it up, then mount them |
| 02:56.53 | sophacles | simonrvn: how does one do that? |
| 02:56.53 | MangosDebian | sophacles: have you tried running the activate command simonrvn gave you yet? |
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| 02:58.26 | sophacles | well that did it |
| 02:58.26 | sophacles | awesome |
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| 02:58.42 | sophacles | what exactly does that incarnation do? |
| 02:58.49 | MangosDebian | activate the vg |
| 02:58.55 | sophacles | thanks dondelelcaro, MangosDebian, and simonrvn |
| 02:59.03 | muh2000 | why the hell is smokeping installed/removed when i install a emailserver ? |
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| 02:59.09 | simonrvn | i have jfs on /, i was thinking of sticking in a script to fsck it, since i have lvm /, so the initrd doesn't stop loading when i'm rebooting after a crash |
| 02:59.09 | sophacles | what does activating a vg mean? ive never had to do tha bevore |
| 02:59.15 | simonrvn | sophacles: np |
| 02:59.15 | MangosDebian | sophacles: just type vgchange and see the help it displays btw |
| 02:59.22 | simonrvn | sophacles: because the system does it for you |
| 03:00.17 | simonrvn | ^^^ is the only problem i have with jfs, is having to reply the log after a crash... otherwise it's a real nice fs |
| 03:00.18 | sophacles | will it do it now automatically? or should this be scripted somewhere? |
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| 03:00.24 | resistance | why would my apt-get update not work, connection failed, i've tried many different source. My gateway computer works fine, but another system behind my gateway stopped working |
| 03:00.30 | simonrvn | it's scripted usually |
| 03:00.37 | MangosDebian | sophacles: it should stay active now |
| 03:00.43 | simonrvn | via an initrd or init script |
| 03:00.43 | resistance | 0% waiting for headers, that's where it stops |
| 03:01.05 | simonrvn | once it's active, it stays active unless stopped |
| 03:01.24 | magyar | hi, my /var/log/syslog hasnt rotates in three months, how can i force to rotate and debug? |
| 03:01.30 | simonrvn | looks like resistance had more issues than he thought ;) |
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| 03:02.05 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: s/resistance/futile/? ;) |
| 03:02.05 | resistance | 0% waiting for headers, that's where it stops |
| 03:02.12 | resistance | any ideas? |
| 03:02.18 | simonrvn | magyar: logrotate -vf /etc/logrotate.d/whateverfilehandlesyoursyslogfile |
| 03:02.29 | resistance | sorry i got cut off |
| 03:02.48 | simonrvn | afk |
| 03:03.28 | sophacles | hmm. where is a good resource on lvm stuff so i can read up on how it works (preferrably deep level stuff, without having to go grok ths source code) |
| 03:03.36 | resistance | why would my apt-get update not work, connection failed, i've tried many different source. My gateway computer works fine, but another system behind my gateway stopped working |
| 03:03.47 | simonrvn | man pages to start, then tldp.org howto |
| 03:04.04 | magyar | simonrvn: syslog is not there :( |
| 03:04.04 | simonrvn | resistance: DNS? routing? |
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| 03:04.12 | sophacles | cool. thanks again |
| 03:04.20 | simonrvn | magyar: it's somewhere |
| 03:04.21 | resistance | i can ping google.ca |
| 03:04.21 | MangosDebian | sophacles: honestly? try man each of the command: lv<tab><tab> ; vg<tab><tab> ; lv<tab><tab> |
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| 03:05.21 | resistance | simonrvn: how can i test those? |
| 03:05.31 | stoned | !ping |
| 03:05.31 | dpkg | pong |
| 03:05.31 | stoned | hmm |
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| 03:06.25 | resistance | i guess these is no help for me then |
| 03:06.35 | sandman__ | Can an Athlon 64 X2 system run a 64-bit OS under a virtual machine system such as ViirtualBox if the OS is only 32 bit? |
| 03:06.56 | sandman__ | I wanted to test Debian 64-bit, but... I'm running the 32-bit version :/ |
| 03:07.53 | resistance | when i type in ping google.ca, i get replies, i'm assuming this means i have an internet connection on the machine i want to use apt-get on |
| 03:08.05 | resistance | is this a correct assumption |
| 03:08.17 | magyar | simonrvn: it's in /etc/cron.weekly/sysklogd I wonder why it is not running on weekly bases |
| 03:09.08 | simonrvn | magyar: a) do you have any zombie process on that machine? b) is it run-parts ? then logrotate is buggering up |
| 03:09.14 | magyar | actually it should be running daily |
| 03:09.42 | resistance | i have my source set to ftp.us.debian.org and it says connection failes IP: 35.9.37.225 80 |
| 03:09.57 | magyar | simonrvn: i think logrotate is no responsible for rotating syslog, sysklod us |
| 03:09.58 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 03:10.00 | magyar | is |
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| 03:10.08 | simonrvn | no, it is |
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| 03:10.26 | MangosDebian | resistance: using http:// with an ftp:// |
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| 03:12.08 | resistance | should i have ftp://ftp.us.debian.org? |
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| 03:12.16 | MangosDebian | yes |
| 03:12.22 | MangosDebian | resistance: while nothing is stopping ftp.us.debian.org from running http, you can't assume |
| 03:12.39 | magyar | simonrvn: i found a mistake in my /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd. works now |
| 03:12.58 | resistance | ok, now it says readinf package list.....done, and that's it |
| 03:13.04 | resistance | doesn't seem to be doing anything |
| 03:13.11 | MangosDebian | resistance: thats it then |
| 03:13.39 | resistance | sorry, it's working |
| 03:13.51 | MangosDebian | resistance: was that all you were trying to do? |
| 03:14.32 | resistance | well i've been spending the last 2 weeks trying to figure out why i can't so apt-get update, now i can re-install apache2 and see if i can get it to work |
| 03:14.37 | simonrvn | magyar: cool |
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| 03:15.09 | jetscreamer | either http://ftp. or ftp://ftp. works |
| 03:15.17 | simonrvn | yup |
| 03:15.31 | simonrvn | i use http personally |
| 03:15.43 | jetscreamer | i do ftp |
| 03:15.43 | resistance | ok, i've installed apache2 and i try and access the server with ip, it doesn't work |
| 03:16.13 | jetscreamer | i'm just anal... http://ftp is like... gah |
| 03:16.42 | resistance | it's listeing on port, i can telnet it, but i can't get it wirh my browser |
| 03:17.27 | jetscreamer | open up port80? |
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| 03:17.36 | MangosDebian | resistance: what address are you trying in the browser and what telnet command did you try? |
| 03:17.57 | resistance | telnet 192.168.0.14 80 |
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| 03:18.06 | MangosDebian | and the url? |
| 03:18.07 | resistance | i try the ip in the browser, no go |
| 03:18.11 | resistance | 192.168.0.14 |
| 03:18.13 | MangosDebian | resistance: use http:// |
| 03:18.21 | resistance | yeah, browser adds that |
| 03:18.44 | MangosDebian | resistance: netstat -tlpn | grep 80 |
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| 03:19.20 | resistance | there are two listeners that show up |
| 03:19.28 | MangosDebian | which? |
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| 03:19.30 | resistance | :::8000 and :::80 |
| 03:19.46 | MangosDebian | thats ipv6 |
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| 03:20.20 | resistance | ok, how do i make it listen on ipv4 |
| 03:20.28 | MangosDebian | and you say this is a fresh apache2 install listening on ipv6 only, on port 8000 AND 80 and you can telnet ipv4 localhost 80 but not browser? something is queer |
| 03:20.49 | resistance | i know |
| 03:20.53 | MangosDebian | sorry, im going to have to end your support there and grab a brownie to eat. gl |
| 03:21.08 | MangosDebian | resistance: try #apache |
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| 03:30.16 | jetscreamer | petis fours |
| 03:30.24 | jetscreamer | now i understand |
| 03:30.32 | jetscreamer | sweet bastids |
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| 03:42.08 | stoned | bastiges |
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| 03:48.47 | DavidProck1981 | hay i got a text file and i want to take all the line returnes, like when u hit enter when u type a story or someting, well i want to replace them all with "<BR>" , ant thing usefull |
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| 03:49.50 | DavidProck1981 | any one know how to help |
| 03:50.36 | MangosDebian | sed s/\n$/<BR>\n/g perhaps? |
| 03:51.04 | MangosDebian | would still maintain the readability in code while giving you html \n as well |
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| 03:51.27 | MangosDebian | actually, since its per line a g wouldnt be needed |
| 03:51.45 | databuddy | okok ok ok ok |
| 03:51.48 | databuddy | i got another idea |
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| 03:52.21 | databuddy | can i take an iso - say a netinstall iso and extract to bootable thumbdrive so that i can boot from said thumbdrive and install os? |
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| 03:52.57 | datadr|nke1 | i need ipw3945 drivers for the 2.6.22 stable kernel, is there a package for this...? |
| 03:53.32 | MangosDebian | DavidProck1981: well, seems my syntax is a tad off. but sed 's/$/<BR>/' filename seems to do the trick |
| 03:53.37 | minerale | databuddy: it's a bit harder than that, I think the usb drive needs a special loader, or rather a loader configured a certain way |
| 03:54.09 | minerale | databuddy: I have however, been able to install grub on my usb key and i've been able to use it to boot a "hidden" linux image on a work computer |
| 03:55.33 | DavidProck1981 | MangosDebian so file.html what would the line of code be that i need to type |
| 03:56.02 | MangosDebian | DavidProck1981: sed 's/$/<BR>/' file.html > new.html |
| 03:56.09 | DavidProck1981 | thanks |
| 03:56.14 | MangosDebian | DavidProck1981: that will add <BR> to all lines btw |
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| 03:56.32 | MangosDebian | DavidProck1981: so you may need to tweak it to not match <HEAD> etc tags |
| 03:56.46 | DavidProck1981 | that will be good |
| 03:56.47 | DavidProck1981 | ok |
| 03:56.57 | PowerPrecision | DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0 |
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| 03:59.04 | databuddy | minerale: yeah i got grub in on thumbdrive |
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| 03:59.26 | databuddy | !netinstall |
| 03:59.26 | dpkg | well, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 04:00.26 | user_ | hi, i am using debian-live on a usb stick. I dont understand what this unionfs is. can I modify the filesystem so that I can install programs to my usb stick partition? for example, I would like to mount the second partition /dev/sda2 at /usr |
| 04:00.54 | user_ | !unionfs |
| 04:00.54 | dpkg | well, unionfs is union filesystem is mainly used in Live-CD systems or diskless systems, where the read-only root directory is combined (joined) with tmpfs filesystem (which resides in memory and is writable). http://www.am-utils.org/project-unionfs.html & http://www.unionfs.org/unionfs/ . Its weird. |
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| 04:02.11 | user_ | maybe I can just install normal debian to /dev/sda1? |
| 04:02.35 | minerale | user_: get with databuddy, he's trying to do the same |
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| 04:03.17 | omar | is there a graphical utility to connect to a wireless network, kind of like windows? |
| 04:03.48 | niru | after fresh install of debian I see that time is not correctly set |
| 04:03.51 | niru | why is it so |
| 04:04.05 | niru | How can I make that after a fress install the time is set by default |
| 04:04.12 | niru | is there any package for that |
| 04:04.34 | niru | Or may be the time zone is not set properly |
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| 04:07.49 | jetscreamer | yes there is |
| 04:07.57 | omar | ? |
| 04:08.01 | somian[0] | .oO(glipper is one of the best gui apps i've ever used) |
| 04:08.33 | user_ | is there any way to install debian without an install cd? I dont have a blank cd. |
| 04:08.47 | jetscreamer | goodbye-windows.com |
| 04:09.09 | somian[0] | How ya doing, jetscreamer ...hanging in? |
| 04:09.32 | jetscreamer | http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ maybe |
| 04:09.35 | stoned | !debian.exe |
| 04:09.35 | dpkg | debian.exe is, like, the debian-installer loader for win32, which will install Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (ETCH) as default. `debian.exe` will install grub for NT on C drive, then proceed to download the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and create entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com - Ask me about installation guide <ig> (/msg dpkg ig). |
| 04:09.38 | jetscreamer | !info xxupplicant |
| 04:09.41 | jetscreamer | err |
| 04:09.45 | jetscreamer | !info xsupplicant |
| 04:10.01 | jetscreamer | i'm going to check out xsupplicant but haven't yet |
| 04:10.12 | jetscreamer | slowbot |
| 04:10.18 | jetscreamer | ~info xsupplicant |
| 04:10.28 | jetscreamer | @info xsupplicant |
| 04:10.34 | dpkg | xsupplicant: (802.1x and 802.11i supplicant (client)), section net, is optional. Version: 1.2.4.dfsg.1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 427 kB, Installed size: 916 kB |
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| 04:11.01 | jetscreamer | replicant |
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| 04:14.15 | jetscreamer | !info network-manager |
| 04:14.18 | dpkg | network-manager: (network management framework daemon), section net, is optional. Version: 0.6.4-8+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 234 kB, Installed size: 588 kB |
| 04:15.12 | somian[0] | .oO(He's a helpdesk *machine*, oy) |
| 04:17.50 | somian[0] | Is .Xauthority for a normal user supposed to be owned by root? |
| 04:18.22 | jetscreamer | mine's not but that means nothing |
| 04:18.37 | jetscreamer | i would not htink so |
| 04:18.40 | somian[0] | I think in this case it's screwing me up |
| 04:18.45 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 04:19.00 | jetscreamer | everything under /home/user should be owned by user |
| 04:19.08 | jetscreamer | including /home/user |
| 04:19.51 | jetscreamer | i chown me:me /home though... convienent place to hang stuff, is /home |
| 04:20.25 | somian[0] | Oh sweet ... yes, that sounds quite right, jetscreamer ... what's 'sweet" is; I was being blocked from starting an X11 client over an ssh connection; now it works. |
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| 04:23.02 | jetscreamer | does this dress make me look fat? |
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| 04:23.08 | jetscreamer | :o |
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| 04:33.31 | Presently42 | I've been wondering why synaptic is marking bont coreutils and binutils as being "local or obsolete". It seems they are both neither. Any idears? |
| 04:33.43 | Presently42 | I'm using sid. |
| 04:34.26 | tcsetattr | if it can't find the currently installed version in any of the apt archives in your sources.list, it calls them "local or obsolete". |
| 04:34.42 | tcsetattr | `apt-cache policy coreutils' might give you a clue |
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| 04:36.16 | punsad | anyone know where I can download the kernel config file for the kernel used for a standard etch installation? |
| 04:36.52 | jetscreamer | do you have 2.6.18-4 ? |
| 04:37.00 | jetscreamer | the kernel, installed? |
| 04:37.06 | punsad | no |
| 04:37.19 | jetscreamer | d'l the package from pdo and extract it |
| 04:37.34 | punsad | pdo? |
| 04:37.43 | jetscreamer | !pdo |
| 04:37.43 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 04:38.03 | tcsetattr | first of all "the kernel used for a standard etch installation" is probably like 15 different kernels depending on arch and specific cpu type |
| 04:38.19 | jetscreamer | then he can pick it out for himself on pdo \o/ |
| 04:38.23 | Presently42 | tcsetattr: Thanks. |
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| 04:40.51 | punsad | jetscreamer:downloading now... what's a udeb (as opposed to a deb) file |
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| 04:42.34 | lymeca | I'm making an XHTML page with Kompozer/Nvu and the source viewer in that program removed all white spaces. I need some sort of XML parser which adds line breaks and indents based on start/stop of XML tags in a file. Does such a thing exist? |
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| 04:47.44 | simonrvn | *cough* emacs *cough* |
| 04:48.08 | simonrvn | or vim |
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| 04:58.35 | user1__ | is there syslog daemon in etch? |
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| 04:59.35 | piko | user1__: of course, and syslog-ng |
| 04:59.44 | user1__ | what's that |
| 04:59.44 | user1__ | ng |
| 05:00.02 | piko | user1__: next generation, fork |
| 05:00.03 | user1__ | i need to setup a syslog daemon for all my two network |
| 05:00.06 | somian[0] | It's become a common hacker idiom, user1__ |
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| 05:05.08 | Supaplex | lymeca: htmltidy |
| 05:05.58 | somian[0] | Heya plexy |
| 05:06.17 | somian[0] | HTMLTidy rocks pretty good, highly recommended. |
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| 05:22.08 | solid_liq | anyone here a DNS expert? |
| 05:22.30 | karsten | !anyone |
| 05:22.30 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 05:23.29 | solid_liq | iotw, anyone know how a 2nd level domain point to another domain's webserver? |
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| 05:24.17 | karsten | solid_liq: Example? |
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| 05:24.45 | bliss | hi |
| 05:25.04 | solid_liq | karsten: I want eiustudentrentals.com to point to www.eiustudentrentals.com which is a CNAME for ghs.google.com |
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| 05:25.43 | karsten | solid_liq: Is there a host "eiustudentrentals.com"? |
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| 05:25.57 | karsten | solid_liq: If not, just cname that to ghs.google.com as well. |
| 05:26.04 | bliss | what is WAV audio? |
| 05:26.10 | tcsetattr | you can't have a CNAME at a node that also has other record types! |
| 05:26.10 | solid_liq | karsten: there are no A records setup for it, because I was told to not have any |
| 05:26.16 | karsten | solid_liq: You'll want you rapache virtualserver configured to access both. |
| 05:26.29 | tcsetattr | remember, a CNAME is not just an alias for A queries. It's an alias for *all* queries. |
| 05:26.51 | karsten | !wav |
| 05:26.51 | dpkg | i guess wav is an audio file format that can be read with wavplay (from wavtools package), xmms, amarok, and many others |
| 05:27.04 | solid_liq | karsten: ok, but when you setup your hosting with google hosted services, it gets configured so that when it sees traffic coming from your domain with a www cname that it directs the traffic to serving your web content |
| 05:27.34 | solid_liq | karsten: so can I cname eiustudentrentals.com to www.eiustudentrentals.com? |
| 05:27.56 | karsten | solid_liq: I believe that's your simplest solution. |
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| 05:28.22 | solid_liq | karsten: but how do I set that up? leave the first field blank? godaddy did my dns record |
| 05:28.29 | karsten | solid_liq: Your other options are server redirects, mod_rewrite, and/or virtualhosting configurations. There'a number of ways to get there. |
| 05:28.48 | solid_liq | karsten: I have no default webserver to do a redirect with |
| 05:28.55 | karsten | solid_liq: I'm not a DNS expert. I've done this in the past. Suggest you find a copy of the Cricket Book or find the Linux Networking HOWTO. |
| 05:29.01 | bliss | no sound on my labtop but all alsa packages are installed maybe i need to install a wav player and wavtools |
| 05:29.07 | karsten | solid_liq: Well then, that's not an option for you, now is it? |
| 05:29.11 | karsten | !set up sound |
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| 05:29.27 | solid_liq | karsten: ok cool, thanks, I'll try the cname method right now and cross my fingers :D |
| 05:29.42 | bliss | sound does need setting up in kde etch |
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| 05:31.56 | karsten | Hrm. How out-of-date is the Software FAID HOWTO? http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html This HOWTO describes how to use Software RAID under Linux. It addresses a specific version of the Software RAID layer, namely the 0.90 RAID layer made by Ingo Molnar and others. This is the RAID layer that is the standard in Linux-2.4, and it is the version that is also used by Linux-2.2 kernels shipped from some vendors. The 0.90 RAID support is availa |
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| 05:33.06 | tcsetattr | you're probably better off using the documentation that comes with the mdadm package. |
| 05:33.28 | wut_gimp | what's the prettiest wm out right now |
| 05:33.49 | karsten | wut_gimp: Console. |
| 05:34.04 | karsten | wut_gimp: Leaves *everything* to the imagination. |
| 05:34.07 | solid_liq | karsten: nope, can't leave the alias name field blank |
| 05:34.29 | karsten | wut_gimp: Console mode: the burka of window managers |
| 05:35.36 | karsten | wut_gimp: http://www.uem.es/web/arq/profesores/invitados/Burka.jpg |
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| 05:38.43 | bliss | tralala: are you here? |
| 05:38.46 | karsten | dreamshine: I run wmaker, think KDE is OK, woul dprobably pick xfce4 or enlightenment for eye candy. Just say "no" to gnome. |
| 05:38.54 | Tremitos | hello |
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| 05:39.43 | deadcat | karsten: you going next sat? |
| 05:39.50 | karsten | deadcat: ? |
| 05:39.57 | deadcat | karsten: ?? picnic |
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| 05:40.03 | karsten | Feh. |
| 05:40.11 | karsten | deadcat: Wasn't planning on it. |
| 05:40.15 | deadcat | o |
| 05:40.36 | giwe | somehow I've got inconsistencies in my etch installation and a bunch of packages got uninstalled. any hints on how to fix? |
| 05:40.57 | karsten | giwe: Why'd they get uninstalled? What packages? |
| 05:41.17 | dreamshine | would beryl work for debian karsten ? |
| 05:41.35 | giwe | karsten, apparently many depend on libgtk2.0-dev and I cannot install this one. firefox is gone! |
| 05:41.53 | karsten | dreamshine: Now that you mention it, yeah, that probably wins the eye-candy contest. I think it (or the replacement project) are in testing/unstable |
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| 05:42.13 | giwe | karsten, I'm a little desparate ;) |
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| 05:42.19 | dreamshine | i drr |
| 05:42.21 | dreamshine | see* |
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| 05:43.17 | giwe | karsten, is there any way to make all packages consistent with etch? |
| 05:43.26 | karsten | giwe: Installed packages shouldn't depend on dev libraries. |
| 05:43.36 | karsten | giwe: What have you been doing with your system? |
| 05:43.47 | enveezee | so how does one get flash working in iceweasel on etch? flashplugin-nonfree seems to be gone, and libflash-mozplugin didn't satisfy iceweasel |
| 05:43.56 | karsten | dreamshine: Looks like Compiz is in testing, that and beryl are pretty much the same thing. |
| 05:44.37 | giwe | karsten, good question. I tried to install glade2 yesterday and then the problems started. |
| 05:44.45 | hark | !info flashplugin-nonfree etch |
| 05:44.48 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Adobe Flash Player plugin installer), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 9.0.31.0.1 (etch), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
| 05:44.57 | giwe | karsten, because glade was requesting libgtk+2.0 |
| 05:45.25 | giwe | karsten, and I was not able to because there was some version problem. |
| 05:46.04 | giwe | karsten, then I may have tried to grab a newer version from package/pool and do a dpkg -i |
| 05:46.14 | giwe | karsten, this could had been the problem. |
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| 05:46.43 | giwe | karsten, I'm not sure how best put it back to what it was. |
| 05:46.49 | karsten | giwe: Do *NOT* mix test/unstable and stable |
| 05:47.11 | giwe | karsten, It was my bad. |
| 05:47.21 | giwe | karsten, any way to fix this mess? |
| 05:47.23 | karsten | giwe: If you're finding you want newer packages, either satify them out of backports, or move to testing. It works, pretty well, most of the time. |
| 05:47.25 | Guerin | giwe: reinstall |
| 05:47.36 | Guerin | !aliensmite giwe |
| 05:47.39 | stoned | hi Guerin |
| 05:47.50 | giwe | Guerin, that's not fun. |
| 05:47.51 | stoned | !listkeys smite |
| 05:47.52 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'smite' by key (14 of 178): CMD: btssmite (.*?) ;; CMD: dinerosmite (.*?) ;; CMD: es-smite-1 (.*?) ;; CMD: gritsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: jengasmite (.*?) ;; CMD: macsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: modemsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: nenosmite (.*?) ;; CMD: readmesmite (.*?) ;; _default nitsmite ;; cheesesmite ;; cmd: eurosmite (.*?) ;; cmd: hardcodesmite (.*?) ;; cmd: richihsmite (.*?). |
| 05:47.56 | stoned | geez. |
| 05:48.02 | stoned | 178 |
| 05:48.04 | karsten | giwe: Debian doesn't support downgrading. So your options are 1: reinstall, 2: upgrade to testing, or 3: manually clean stuff out with luck and a lot of sweat and tears. |
| 05:48.05 | stoned | fuck. |
| 05:48.10 | giwe | karsten, if I move to testing. |
| 05:48.16 | karsten | giwe: I'd recommend an upgrade to testing. |
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| 05:48.22 | karsten | stoned: I'm trying, trust me. |
| 05:48.27 | stoned | lol |
| 05:48.29 | enveezee | hark: thanks ;) |
| 05:48.30 | giwe | karsten, I always used to run testing. |
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| 05:48.36 | stoned | karsten: trying to do what? |
| 05:48.42 | giwe | karsten, any bad news lately with testing? |
| 05:48.49 | enveezee | ugh :P |
| 05:48.49 | lymeca | How can I tell whether or not the HTTPS page I'm viewing is SSL3 or TLS1? |
| 05:48.50 | karsten | giwe: I've been running it since it pretty much came out. |
| 05:49.09 | giwe | karsten, I was running also testing for years. |
| 05:49.16 | karsten | stoned: fun under carnal knowledge |
| 05:49.21 | stoned | ahh |
| 05:49.25 | giwe | karsten, I think I'll give a try. |
| 05:49.31 | stoned | I figured thats what you replied to |
| 05:49.43 | enveezee | ok well now that I've found the flashplugin-nonfree its saying the md5sum has a mismatch and will not install it |
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| 05:49.50 | giwe | karsten, but before that. |
| 05:49.52 | stoned | enveezee: ? |
| 05:49.54 | stoned | nvz? |
| 05:49.58 | enveezee | stoned ? |
| 05:50.09 | stoned | can't be |
| 05:50.11 | enveezee | stoned: yes it is I |
| 05:50.14 | karsten | So, the problem at work is... |
| 05:50.16 | stoned | the nvz i knwo can install flash without asking in here |
| 05:50.19 | stoned | oh |
| 05:50.21 | giwe | karsten, if I opt to do the sweating approach, would it basically boil down to find any package that do not belong to stable? |
| 05:50.22 | stoned | well I suppose he can't |
| 05:50.30 | stoned | i'll be damned. |
| 05:50.32 | enveezee | stoned: haha.. I'm a little drunk |
| 05:50.48 | stoned | nick cave and the bad seeds |
| 05:50.49 | stoned | red right hand |
| 05:50.55 | Guerin | stoned: herro. |
| 05:50.56 | stoned | scream soundtrack. recognize. |
| 05:50.56 | vorpal | booze and computers don't mix! |
| 05:50.59 | Guerin | that's a choon. |
| 05:51.02 | stoned | Guerin: choon? |
| 05:51.09 | giwe | karsten, and then do a dpkg -i with the stable version over it? |
| 05:51.11 | Guerin | stoned: scream soundtrack? You lose. |
| 05:51.13 | Guerin | !choon |
| 05:51.13 | karsten | ... database server (monitoring system, not critical, but we'd like to avoid holes in data) running out of space. LVM + software RAID + 5-disk SCSI controller, on RHEL4. Needs a disk upgrade... Feh. |
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| 05:51.16 | enveezee | what I'm not understanding is where the hell are these checksums comming from? the adobe site or the package? |
| 05:51.28 | stoned | Guerin: dude you got problems |
| 05:51.32 | enveezee | if we have checksums in the package and adobe changes the plugin.. um hello.. problems |
| 05:51.34 | stoned | scream was a good movie |
| 05:51.46 | stoned | it seems that you dislike more things than you like things |
| 05:51.47 | stoned | in this world |
| 05:51.48 | karsten | giwe: Forcing package downgrades, finding and resolving package conflicts manually. More than I can help you with at present. |
| 05:51.59 | stoned | thats unhealthy |
| 05:52.05 | Guerin | dpkg, choon is it's a TUNE, but a proper one, right guvnor? |
| 05:52.06 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 05:52.20 | Guerin | stoned: no, scream was a bunch of wank. |
| 05:52.33 | stoned | like i said, you're knee deep in problems |
| 05:52.34 | stoned | :) |
| 05:52.37 | giwe | karsten, k thanks, will take a look. |
| 05:52.44 | karsten | stoned: Guerin's a disaffected graduate student. That's his job. |
| 05:53.05 | stoned | but still |
| 05:53.07 | stoned | he hates shred |
| 05:53.13 | stoned | he hates a lot of good movies |
| 05:53.18 | stoned | i mean seriously |
| 05:53.24 | karsten | stoned: WTF is shred? And Scream? |
| 05:53.27 | stoned | just relax once in a while |
| 05:53.32 | stoned | nevermind |
| 05:53.45 | Guerin | hey, I'm not disaffected |
| 05:53.54 | karsten | .. but only if there's nothing more important going on. |
| 05:54.05 | Guerin | and life's too short to watch shit movies |
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| 05:54.08 | stoned | im just saying |
| 05:54.16 | stoned | i lose, cuz i heard the song on the scream soundtrack |
| 05:54.21 | stoned | i don't win cuz i actually like the song |
| 05:54.22 | stoned | no |
| 05:54.25 | stoned | i lose cuz of that reason |
| 05:54.31 | stoned | thats fucking stupid Guerin |
| 05:54.34 | stoned | no offence brother |
| 05:54.36 | vorpal | because |
| 05:54.43 | stoned | seriously, its fucking stupid |
| 05:54.50 | Guerin | stoned: you lose because you *listen* to the scream soundtrack. |
| 05:54.52 | karsten | While we're pimping music: http://www.myspace.com/sutro |
| 05:54.57 | stoned | exactly |
| 05:55.02 | stoned | my point |
| 05:55.09 | Guerin | (and you like shred ;) |
| 05:55.11 | vorpal | he loses because he fails elementary spelling |
| 05:55.17 | stoned | Guerin: whatever dude |
| 05:55.33 | Guerin | !whatever |
| 05:55.34 | dpkg | i heard whatever is the last word spoken by the loser of an argument |
| 05:56.04 | stoned | I called shruggin it off. if winning an argument makes your penis grow, have at it. |
| 05:56.08 | Guerin | !yhbt stoned |
| 05:56.09 | dpkg | stoned: yhbt. yhl. hand. |
| 05:56.32 | karsten | laters |
| 05:58.21 | stoned | oh, and just to make you feel even stupider, I downloaded nick cave and the bad seeds on limewire, didn't know it was on the scream soundtrack till today. but go ahead, judge. you seem very good at it. |
| 05:58.37 | stoned | g'night. |
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| 06:04.20 | Guerin | stoned: lamewire! |
| 06:04.43 | stoned | oh you asshole |
| 06:04.47 | stoned | I was almost asleep |
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| 06:04.50 | stoned | quit makin me beep; |
| 06:04.53 | stoned | :( |
| 06:04.54 | Guerin | :( |
| 06:05.03 | Guerin | hey, you rhymed |
| 06:05.12 | stoned | yeh hehe |
| 06:05.13 | stoned | i did |
| 06:05.16 | stoned | dude cut it out |
| 06:05.19 | stoned | im going to bed. |
| 06:05.24 | Guerin | g'night |
| 06:05.24 | stoned | night bro |
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| 06:06.08 | simonrvn | stoned |
| 06:06.18 | stoned | i swear to god |
| 06:06.24 | stoned | man |
| 06:06.24 | simonrvn | sowwy |
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| 06:06.29 | simonrvn | *blush* |
| 06:06.33 | simonrvn | g'night |
| 06:06.38 | stoned | heh |
| 06:07.10 | stoned | im trying to finish this song |
| 06:07.19 | stoned | i am not slepey at all |
| 06:07.21 | vorpal | here's a thought. turn off the audio alert, or your speakers, or your irc client, or you computer, or... |
| 06:07.24 | stoned | i gotta wake up in 6 hours |
| 06:07.31 | Dewi | the question is, will I ever look back at the irc screen again without either stoned or Guerin (or both) making trouble? |
| 06:07.59 | shogunx | !bongswat |
| 06:07.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, bongswat is "Hit the bong, man!" |
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| 06:08.08 | stoned | man i love this new fearfactory album |
| 06:08.09 | stoned | love the vocals |
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| 06:08.20 | stoned | so harmonic/melodic/and umm... just awesome |
| 06:08.32 | stoned | not much growling, just singing |
| 06:09.01 | stoned | shogunx: hey longo time |
| 06:09.04 | stoned | whats goin on |
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| 06:09.24 | stoned | simonrvn: you are my medicine man. how do i make myself sleepy without narcotics. i need to sleep |
| 06:09.50 | stoned | help :( |
| 06:09.54 | vorpal | can someone club this puppy over the head? ;-) |
| 06:10.04 | stoned | vorpal: dude seriously |
| 06:10.12 | stoned | shush. |
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| 06:11.30 | bliss | i am opning a wav audio file with xmms its asking that it cannot open he file check if soundcard is configured and the corect ouput plgin selected |
| 06:11.30 | stoned | alright song is over, sleepy time. i dunno how im gonna get to sleep but here goes nothing. |
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| 06:12.01 | simonrvn | valerian decoction, or passionflower (not i'm nno medicine person ;p) |
| 06:12.37 | vorpal | or a bottle of whiskey |
| 06:12.43 | simonrvn | tea, or catnip tea (be careful can be stimulant in some people who are naturally hyper) |
| 06:13.12 | stoned | vol down |
| 06:13.14 | stoned | monitor off |
| 06:13.16 | stoned | good night guys |
| 06:13.19 | stoned | *out& |
| 06:13.22 | simonrvn | that's a start |
| 06:13.45 | vorpal | let's test his resolve |
| 06:13.54 | vorpal | stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned |
| 06:14.01 | vorpal | ? |
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| 06:16.32 | vorpal | On 8/1/07, Sean Warburton <hl2addict@gmail.com> wrote: |
| 06:16.32 | vorpal | > Sorry I haven't gotten to answer your question. |
| 06:16.32 | vorpal | Is this item up for bid? I just assumed it might be, since your announcement ended up in everyone's inbox. ;-) |
| 06:17.34 | vorpal | oops, sorry |
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| 06:19.04 | vorpal | well, i guess it's time for bed here, too |
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| 06:22.01 | RyanW | when i try and zone transfer the master server reports "zone 170.17.172.in-addr.arpa/IN/internal: refresh: non-authoritative answer from master 203.80.163.65#53 (source 0.0.0.0#0)", can you explain what this means please. |
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| 06:26.06 | syntaxx | im using cups and samba. and i have a little problem in printer class status in windows when i paused the class it shows the printer status not the printer class status anyone have an idea how to fix that? |
| 06:27.43 | CactusMD | is it possible to use beryl on debian? |
| 06:27.48 | sep | RyanW, either your master have issues, or you are asking for a transfer on a zone it does not have. i'd double check my config |
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| 06:30.59 | bangers | I just changed an IP of my debian box |
| 06:31.21 | bangers | and its working, but it cant go out beyond it's own subnet, something is wrong with the default gateway |
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| 06:31.35 | bangers | it *looks* fine, but it doesnt want to go out default gateway |
| 06:31.53 | bangers | other than confirming /etc/hosts and /etc/network/interfaces are correct, what could I look at? |
| 06:32.15 | tcsetattr | traceroute -n www.debian.org |
| 06:32.40 | tcsetattr | that's traceroute -n 194.109.137.218 in case you have no DNS reachable |
| 06:32.50 | tcsetattr | but any outside address will do |
| 06:33.22 | sep | bangers, route -n verify you realy have a default gw (it's the on starting with 0.0.0.0) |
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| 06:34.19 | bliss | trying to download kernelkit form sources unstable what is the line to add to sources list file? |
| 06:36.23 | MrMary | can someone tellme the command to get to the x config thingy i forgot ;P |
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| 06:37.20 | Heston | how should i go about getting ntfs-3g on etch? |
| 06:37.59 | tcsetattr | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 06:38.10 | MrMary | tnx |
| 06:39.35 | liable | hrm, why was tzdata upgraded from volatile? |
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| 06:41.59 | growler | liable: http://lists.debian.org/debian-volatile-announce/debian-volatile-announce-2007/msg00010.html |
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| 06:42.48 | MrMary | now i have an extra cursor icon floating on my screen |
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| 06:43.00 | liable | growler: thanks for finding that |
| 06:43.25 | MrMary | this is weirding me out |
| 06:43.37 | liable | so does your nick :P |
| 06:44.01 | growler | liable: I'd put money on it being DST dates, many countries don't have fixed dates so tzdata needs updating twice a year for each of them |
| 06:44.09 | liable | ya |
| 06:44.40 | liable | i woulda thought the main repo could have been used though, not everyone uses volatile |
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| 06:47.02 | growler | I'm just glad it's being done at all, correct tzdata is extremely important to us |
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| 06:55.10 | Dewi | could anyone give me any pointers re: running PHP within a chroot? |
| 06:55.18 | Dewi | I'm not really sure how to get all the structure set up |
| 06:55.22 | Dewi | hard links and that |
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| 06:56.20 | Dewi | on a related note, could anyone give me any hints about how to manage the massive amounts of complex interrelated structure that hosting creates? I manage it all quite manually but mistakes do happen, and applying a changed apache setting to a dozen sites is currently a lot of work.... |
| 06:56.43 | syntaxx | m using cups and samba. and i have a little problem in printer class status in windows when i paused the class it shows the printer status not the printer class status anyone have an idea how to fix that? |
| 06:56.52 | Dewi | I mean perhaps I should buy RHEL and cpanel/ensim/plesk |
| 06:57.06 | Dewi | but... maybe I'd have more freedom if I just wrote some validation scripts or something |
| 06:57.32 | qwertz | Hi, just installed etch and miss the rtl8139 network driver for my net card. Isn't it shipped with etch or where could I find it (locate wasn't helpful, kernel 2.6.18-4-686)? |
| 06:57.49 | Dewi | qwertz: don't like 8139too ? |
| 06:58.10 | Dewi | (I think that's what the newer one was called) |
| 06:58.23 | Dewi | rtl8139 always had instability problems for me |
| 07:00.50 | harpal | qwertz: you have to select driver 8139too and 8139cp |
| 07:01.43 | qwertz | thanks for the hints will try it! |
| 07:02.09 | harpal | you can do this in config file and compile kernel |
| 07:02.10 | harpal | CONFIG_8139CP=m |
| 07:02.10 | harpal | CONFIG_8139TOO=m |
| 07:02.10 | harpal | CONFIG_8139TOO_PIO=y |
| 07:02.11 | harpal | CONFIG_8139TOO_TUNE_TWISTER=y |
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| 07:03.21 | Dewi | er... harpal, there's no indication qwertz is compiling a kernel |
| 07:03.33 | Dewi | and we don't normally encourage that without a reason :) |
| 07:03.54 | Dewi | qwertz: just try using the 8139too module instead (unless you have already) |
| 07:03.55 | harpal | Dewi: ohh sorry |
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| 07:55.57 | orkam_wrk | Hello |
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| 07:58.00 | user1__ | hey what's that package that install kernel |
| 07:58.21 | delliott_ | linux-kernel |
| 07:58.46 | orkam_wrk | I'm planing to do an apt-get dist-upgrade on a productive, working system. 202 packets are going to be actualized, 20 deleted, 99 new installed. Will I possibly run into trouble with some self compiled programms? Will postgres /postgis + apache + php5 still work after upgrading? Will any config files be overwritten? Do I have to save my configs first? What else to I have to keep in mind? |
| 07:58.55 | delliott_ | Whoops, I meant linux-image |
| 07:58.57 | user1__ | aptitude install linux-kernel |
| 07:59.08 | user1__ | Couldn't find package "linux-kernel". However, the following |
| 07:59.11 | delliott_ | apt-cache search linux-image |
| 07:59.17 | orkam_wrk | Wrong: 402 pakets are going to be actualized, not 202 |
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| 07:59.51 | delliott_ | orkam_wrk, I have no idea, sorry. |
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| 08:00.22 | techbee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:00.37 | user1__ | linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 , i have them both,, should i deinstall one |
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| 08:00.57 | rgappo | Hello, I need to configure a fax/modem called wisecom WS-5614EV1G but I think that there is no driver for linux, exist another project/driver to run a generic external modem on linux? thanks in advance |
| 08:00.58 | user1__ | and 2.6.18+6 |
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| 08:01.05 | delliott_ | You have the most suitable kernel for your current system |
| 08:01.13 | user1__ | really? |
| 08:01.16 | Rune_ | im going to ask what i believe is a troll question |
| 08:01.19 | user1__ | so im all good? |
| 08:01.20 | techbee | user1_:linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 08:01.37 | Rune_ | has anyone here installed netfilter nth extension or equivalent? |
| 08:01.38 | user1__ | so what's linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2 |
| 08:02.10 | delliott_ | techbee, doesn't the linux-image-686 metapackage keep his kernel up to date? |
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| 08:02.52 | Rune_ | does anyone know the BEST way to install netfilter/iptables on debian systems? |
| 08:02.53 | techbee | delliott: you are right |
| 08:02.56 | orkam_wrk | The most important thing for me is: will apt-get dist-upgrade delete my config files, and will it possibly prevent postgres/gis + apache2 + php5 from working? |
| 08:04.05 | Rune_ | oops |
| 08:04.12 | Rune_ | does anyone know the BEST way to install netfilter/iptables extensions on debian systems? |
| 08:04.22 | Rune_ | ie does it have to involve kernel rebuild? |
| 08:04.28 | user1__ | so is my kernel any good? i have linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2 and linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.18+6 |
| 08:04.40 | orkam_wrk | Let's say, is it suggested to do a dist-upgrade on a productive (old) system or would it be better to upgrade every single packet manually (much work)? |
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| 08:05.13 | Rune_ | orkam; i think your config files should be ok but just back them up in case, it's good practice to back up important configs anyway. |
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| 08:05.45 | Rune_ | tar -zvcf etc.tar.gz /etc |
| 08:05.52 | delliott_ | user1__, your kernel is fine. |
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| 08:06.17 | orkam_wrk | Rune_, ok, I'll do that in any case. Am I to expect any danger to my system updating 402 packages? |
| 08:06.34 | Rune_ | Rune_; no doubt something will break :D |
| 08:06.36 | Rune_ | oops |
| 08:06.43 | delliott_ | linux-image-686 is a metapackage for linux-image-2.6-686 is a metapackage for linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 08:06.46 | delliott_ | As far as I know |
| 08:06.47 | Rune_ | orkam_wrk; no doubt something will break :D |
| 08:06.51 | orkam_wrk | :-) |
| 08:07.34 | Rune_ | orkam_wrk; apache2 and php5 should be well looked after |
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| 08:07.58 | Rune_ | ie their dependancies etc shouldnt be messed with too much by the maintainers of apt sources or whatever |
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| 08:08.11 | Rune_ | so u should be safe for your webserver, im guessing |
| 08:08.36 | Rune_ | however, what the frik have they done to vi! hehe |
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| 08:09.08 | orkam_wrk | ok, I'll have a try... *hoping.the.best* |
| 08:09.46 | Rune_ | orkam_wrk, it's always nice to do it on a test system if you have the luxury |
| 08:10.49 | Rune_ | even if u just imaged the drive or something |
| 08:11.04 | Rune_ | put the image on your test system and give it a go |
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| 08:11.29 | orkam_wrk | Rune_, good idea. That will cost some extra time, but is much saver... |
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| 08:12.46 | Rune_ | so no one here has used nth netfilter extension? i want random packet dropping |
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| 08:13.03 | gimp__ | anyone using compiz-fusion or beryl here? |
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| 08:22.31 | wykis | CactusMD: what's the problem? |
| 08:23.40 | CactusMD | when i try to apt-get install compiz-fusion-gnome it says all the dependencies won't be met |
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| 08:24.18 | rgappo | no idea anyone how to configure a serial modem on linux? I think that there is no driver :( |
| 08:24.23 | wykis | CactusMD: are those non-offical repositories that you are using? |
| 08:24.34 | wykis | CactusMD: can you be more specific on the unmet libraries |
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| 08:24.51 | syntaxx | im using cups and samba. and i have a little problem in printer class status in windows when i paused the class it shows the printer status not the printer class status anyone have an idea how to fix that? |
| 08:24.56 | wykis | rgappo: http://www.google.com/search?q=serial+modem+debian should help you :] |
| 08:25.01 | cydork | CactusMD: compiz-fusion-gnome is not in debian. |
| 08:25.27 | CactusMD | i've seen compiz-fusion on debian |
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| 08:25.38 | wykis | I haven't, a fresh sid install here |
| 08:25.53 | wykis | I saw normal compiz here though |
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| 08:26.00 | cydork | CactusMD: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=compiz-fusion-gnome |
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| 08:26.15 | wykis | rgappo: if you are still stuck, you always can search for your modem's name + Linux |
| 08:26.16 | cydork | CactusMD: guess what? No such package. |
| 08:26.18 | bliss | hi |
| 08:26.29 | wykis | hi bliss |
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| 08:26.57 | CactusMD | cydork: obviously, but just because it's not a default doesn't mean it can't be installed |
| 08:27.17 | cydork | CactusMD: obviously that doesn't mean #debian will support it. |
| 08:27.56 | CactusMD | how do i update to sid from etch then |
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| 08:28.13 | cydork | !iyhtays |
| 08:28.13 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
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| 08:28.56 | CactusMD | well, i'll ask when someone that can help me comes on later i guess |
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| 08:29.38 | rgappo | yes, but I think that there is no driver wisecom WS-5614EV1G but I think that there is no driver for linux :( |
| 08:29.58 | Coweater | CactusMD: it's documented pretty well, and it's reccomended to not use sid if you don't know what you're doing |
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| 08:30.16 | bliss | looking for wavtools pakage but apt cannot find it |
| 08:30.38 | cydork | CactusMD: please ask the people who gave you that package. We have no idea about that package. |
| 08:30.39 | Rune_ | rgappo; are you just after the standard modem capabilities? |
| 08:31.00 | CactusMD | what's so bad about sid |
| 08:31.05 | Supaplex | !sid |
| 08:31.05 | dpkg | the <unstable> or <thermite> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 08:31.46 | Supaplex | the good thing is, you get to keep all those fancy pieces. |
| 08:31.53 | Supaplex | pretty isn't it? :) |
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| 08:32.04 | wykis | bliss: apt-cache search wav tools |
| 08:32.06 | rgappo | Rune_: It's a old modem fax, but I need it to configure to use using hylafax, it's a serial modem |
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| 08:32.25 | CactusMD | what about lenny |
| 08:32.54 | CactusMD | !lenny |
| 08:32.54 | dpkg | somebody said lenny was the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 08:33.10 | Rune_ | rgappo; if it supports some kind of "standard" fax command set you might be lucky, try researching whether there are various families of modem command sets and if so, try to identify which your modem uses |
| 08:33.10 | CactusMD | !etch->lenny |
| 08:33.10 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
| 08:33.12 | spheard | hey, I have apache userdir installed and working but Im having problems making files editable by more than one user, having a collaboration space. can anyone explan how this works. We want to develop mysql/php stuff |
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| 08:33.41 | Supaplex | CactusMD: you can /msg the bot to. you might want a chroot install off stable. |
| 08:33.44 | Rune_ | rgappo; you might have some luck asking questions on the mailing list for the linux fax software you have chosen |
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| 08:34.46 | rgappo | okey thanks, some people says me that if it uses serial port, that does not need a 'driver', it is correct? |
| 08:35.07 | Rune_ | rgappo; it may be correct, if there is such a thing as "fax command set" |
| 08:35.29 | Rune_ | the software just needs to know what language to talk to the modem in to make it do fax operations |
| 08:35.41 | Rune_ | but esentially the software will just open the serial port |
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| 08:35.51 | rgappo | Rune_: but, how to see if the medem was detected first? |
| 08:35.53 | Supaplex | rgappo: the kernel has lots of support for serial ports of all kinds. |
| 08:35.57 | Rune_ | all modem drivers do usually is set initialisation options |
| 08:36.03 | bliss | wykis: thanks heres what I got http://www.pastebin.org/37 |
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| 08:36.08 | nu11 | hi all |
| 08:36.28 | Rune_ | rgappo; open a conncetion to the serial port the modem is on and type AT<enter> |
| 08:36.43 | Rune_ | dont ask me how to open a serial port connection i dont know in linux :) |
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| 08:36.55 | nelf | rgappo: try minicom |
| 08:36.59 | rgappo | hehehe, I don't know too |
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| 08:37.11 | Rune_ | there you go, minicom... any terminal software should be fine |
| 08:37.26 | wykis | bliss: can you tell me what you want to do with it? |
| 08:37.51 | Rune_ | how to do random packet dropping with iptables? :( |
| 08:37.55 | rgappo | nelf: minicom with no params? |
| 08:38.01 | nelf | rgappo: if the modem is plugged into your first serial port (dmesg | grep tty should return ttys0 in this case) |
| 08:38.11 | nelf | rgappo: it's worth a go to see if it works |
| 08:38.27 | nelf | Do you know which serial port it's plugged into? |
| 08:39.11 | Rune_ | can anyone direct me to a guide on kernel recompilation under debian? |
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| 08:39.33 | Rune_ | dont answer that |
| 08:39.35 | Rune_ | *google* |
| 08:39.36 | nelf | Rune_: theres a great section in the Debian manual |
| 08:39.45 | Rune_ | theres a manual?? |
| 08:39.49 | nelf | installation manual |
| 08:39.59 | nelf | On www.debian.org |
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| 08:40.07 | Rune_ | cool |
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| 08:40.17 | nelf | I'm glad they thought of it |
| 08:40.18 | rgappo | nelf: I see that, it is detected then? [ 1.401433] serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A |
| 08:40.54 | nelf | rgappo: great - it's your first serial port... minicom is probably already configured for it. |
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| 08:41.54 | Supaplex | rgappo: courious, what's this command say? dpkg -l minicom | grep minicom |
| 08:42.15 | rgappo | ii minicom 2.2-4build1 friendly menu driven serial communication program |
| 08:42.52 | rgappo | I am under minicom menu, but I have no idea what I need to do now :) |
| 08:43.13 | Rune_ | rgappo; experiment a bit, it's the best way to learn |
| 08:43.13 | nelf | type ATZ |
| 08:43.15 | nelf | or just AT |
| 08:43.42 | rgappo | nelf: but, when I type, I don't see the letters |
| 08:43.43 | nelf | Rune_: well said |
| 08:43.55 | bliss | wykis: well i have no sound/audio on my labtop and the files on the cd are WAV audio and mp3 . i have run alsamixer and the info is ok or seems to be ie card: ATI IXP chip: Realtek alc250 rev 2 view: [playback] capture all Item: master |
| 08:43.58 | Rune_ | rgappo; not seeing the letters is normal hehe |
| 08:44.11 | Rune_ | press enter, then AT enter |
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| 08:44.47 | wykis | bliss: install mplayer or something, then try playing media files |
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| 08:45.09 | berto | hello, I want to be able to change my CPU frequence. here is the ouput of 'grep name /proc/cpuinfo' : model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz |
| 08:45.10 | berto | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz |
| 08:45.14 | Supaplex | !tell rgappo -about based on debian |
| 08:45.27 | Supaplex | rgappo: your minicom is apparently ubuntu packaged |
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| 08:45.38 | berto | which module must I load ? p4-clockmod or speedstep-centrino ? |
| 08:45.41 | Rune_ | ahah! ubuntu user! |
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| 08:46.06 | galataranator | berto: you need to have the correct governor in the kernel and something like cpufreq |
| 08:46.07 | rgappo | Supaplex: the boxes are, debian, ubuntu and slackware :) |
| 08:46.36 | berto | Rune_: yes I'm on a ubuntu at this time but It(s not my own PC ;) I use myself debian testing :) |
| 08:46.48 | bliss | wykis: i will give that a try thanks |
| 08:47.02 | berto | galataranator: yes but before choosingthe governor I have to load the correct module |
| 08:47.04 | wykis | bliss: you need to have alsa installed properly, too |
| 08:47.09 | Rune_ | berto; and how did i know that you ask? |
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| 08:47.15 | wykis | bliss: apt-get install alsa alsa-utils mplayer |
| 08:47.25 | wykis | bliss: and then run alsaconfto configure it |
| 08:47.48 | galataranator | berto: ask google ;-) |
| 08:48.11 | galataranator | my shizzy works |
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| 08:48.44 | Rune_ | er how can i determine what distro is a particular debian box |
| 08:48.49 | Supaplex | berto: and if it's ubuntu ask #ubuntu - maybe they changed something we don't know about. |
| 08:48.57 | Supaplex | !tell berto -about based on debian |
| 08:48.57 | Rune_ | oops i know. |
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| 08:49.11 | berto | is that processeur, which is see as two one, is a Intel Core Duo or a 'normal' Pentium IV |
| 08:49.24 | Supaplex | we're flattered about all the debian like distros, but they do things their own way ya know? :) |
| 08:49.30 | rgappo | nelf: this command, would work? rto: and if it's ubuntu ask #ubuntu - maybe they changed something we don't know about. |
| 08:49.40 | rgappo | sorry |
| 08:49.45 | rgappo | echo ath > /dev/ttys0 |
| 08:49.50 | rgappo | bash: /dev/ttys0: Input/output error |
| 08:49.55 | berto | Supaplex: it's not really a ubuntu question :( sorry for disturbing you.... |
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| 08:50.35 | Rune_ | rgappo; i dont *think* u can pipe/redirect (>) output to serial ports but could be wrong |
| 08:50.54 | Rune_ | use minicom, type AT and hope it says +OK |
| 08:51.03 | galataranator | berto: RTFM --- here are a couple of links for n00bs |
| 08:51.04 | Supaplex | if nothing else is using it you should be able to |
| 08:51.05 | galataranator | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_make_use_of_Dynamic_Frequency_Scaling#General |
| 08:51.12 | Supaplex | he's gone |
| 08:51.13 | galataranator | http://www.linuxnewsblog.com/2007/07/howto-change-cpu-frequency-scaling-in.html |
| 08:51.24 | galataranator | oh |
| 08:51.41 | galataranator | :-D |
| 08:51.44 | rgappo | Rune_: yes but, I launch minicom (I type at) but I don't see nothing |
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| 08:52.09 | Rune_ | rgappo; then u may be on the wrong serial port, can you physically change the port the modem is on? |
| 08:52.19 | Rune_ | i never used minicom so i dont know |
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| 08:52.35 | bliss | wykis; thanks interesting tralala told me that its already configured in etch kde |
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| 08:52.48 | viller | how can I change gtk's font size when I'm using kde |
| 08:53.09 | upro_ | Hi there! I would like to upgrade just one package (which I downloaded from the net). How to do that please? |
| 08:53.27 | wykis | ok bliss |
| 08:53.29 | Rune_ | rgappo; ok, if u press CTRL A, Z does it say offline in bottom right? |
| 08:53.58 | rgappo | Rune_: yes, it is bad nope? :) |
| 08:54.23 | Rune_ | rgappo; offline means not connected |
| 08:54.33 | Rune_ | ie probably wrong port |
| 08:55.00 | bliss | wykis: do you agree ? |
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| 08:55.18 | rgappo | Rune: How can I force to use minicom to an specific port? |
| 08:55.32 | rgappo | I think that is /dev/ttys0 |
| 08:55.43 | Rune_ | rgappo; man minicom, looks like it has a config file |
| 08:55.59 | nelf | rgappo: ctrl-a should show you a status bar along the bottom |
| 08:56.16 | rgappo | nelf: it is offline :( |
| 08:56.16 | nelf | rgappo: ctrl-a z will give you a list of commands |
| 08:56.40 | galataranator | upro_: did you try man dpkg? |
| 08:56.58 | galataranator | upro_: dpkg -i somepackage.deb |
| 08:57.04 | galataranator | will install it for you |
| 08:57.14 | nelf | rgappo: ctrl-z a o will get you to the configuration menu. Choose Serial Port Setup, and you can choose your serial port |
| 08:57.19 | upro_ | galataranator: yes... a second ago. dpkg tells me a lot of unresolved dependencies in ma package... |
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| 08:57.44 | galataranator | upro_: what are you trying to install? |
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| 08:58.02 | wykis | bliss: sorry, I don't have an opinion on that :\ |
| 08:58.11 | galataranator | upro_: and are you running etch? |
| 08:58.42 | upro_ | galataranator: ubuntustudio... but I can't find the new ardour2 package there, and the one I have is outdated and a bit buggy... |
| 08:59.04 | wykis | when I do fakeroot make-kpkg modules_image or just make-kpkg modules_image, it outputs contents of one of the rules' files. what to do? http://rafb.net/p/ocV0SV87.txt |
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| 08:59.41 | bliss | wykis: what about WAV audio files when I tried to open then with mplayer i get [AO OSS] audio_setup can't open audio device /dev/dsp: no such file or diectory |
| 08:59.41 | galataranator | upro_: have you considered a google search for "ardour2 ubuntustudio howto" ? |
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| 09:00.06 | upro_ | galataranator: no results... |
| 09:00.14 | galataranator | yup me too |
| 09:00.18 | galataranator | "ardour2 ubuntu" |
| 09:00.23 | galataranator | turns up lots of shizzy though |
| 09:00.25 | galataranator | :-D |
| 09:00.36 | bliss | wykis: audio on a usb stick |
| 09:00.38 | wykis | bliss: did you configure alsa yet?:\ |
| 09:00.52 | wykis | ooooh |
| 09:00.59 | wykis | then I have no clue :\ sorry |
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| 09:01.02 | galataranator | upro_: so the results from "ardour2 ubuntu" should give you something in the first few |
| 09:01.06 | arikael_ | hi |
| 09:01.12 | wykis | bliss: with root, run alsaconf, that might help |
| 09:01.40 | upro_ | galataranator: that all doesn't concern the newest version but the one I have... |
| 09:01.49 | upro_ | galataranator: never mind, I'll get around it...! Thanks |
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| 09:02.18 | bliss | wykis: ok no talk to me about that do I run alsaconfto ? |
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| 09:02.37 | wykis | bliss: 'alsaconf' |
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| 09:09.57 | arikael_ | anybody :) |
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| 09:11.41 | galataranator | arikael_: postfix is an MTA |
| 09:11.48 | galataranator | arikael_: procmail is a filter |
| 09:12.06 | arikael_ | ok, where would you place spamassassin? |
| 09:13.07 | galataranator | arikael_: i would not use spamassassin, because it is RBL list based and I feel that this is an unfair and inefficient way of dealing with SPAM |
| 09:14.11 | Guerin | well |
| 09:14.14 | Guerin | it needn't be |
| 09:14.24 | galataranator | arikael_: i think DSPAM and greylisting would be a better solution |
| 09:14.33 | Guerin | I agree entirely about RBLs being bad and wrong, but spamassassin is a bayesian content filter |
| 09:15.00 | Guerin | the best solution I have come across is greylisting, which kills more than 75% of my spam before SMTP |
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| 09:15.30 | Guerin | don't get karsten started on this |
| 09:15.31 | galataranator | Guerin: agreed, greylisting alone ( on the SMTP level ) kills as much as 89% of my SPAM |
| 09:16.01 | Guerin | galataranator: the rest I run through spamassassin, which tags (but never deletes) |
| 09:16.09 | Guerin | i get about 10 spam a week |
| 09:16.23 | Guerin | some of my users get more |
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| 09:16.41 | galataranator | I got angry when my entire ISP where my server is located got pretty much blacklisted on a RBL list |
| 09:16.53 | palestinian | yesterday I had sound and today i restarted and no |
| 09:17.00 | Guerin | yes, I experienced that, too |
| 09:17.04 | galataranator | because of of a couple of bad eggs ... block everyone is a bad practice imho |
| 09:17.08 | Guerin | so I don't use blacklists at all |
| 09:17.20 | Rune_ | its a very bad practice |
| 09:17.20 | galataranator | SPEWS sucks |
| 09:17.24 | Guerin | they're prone to misuse and corruption; one step away from extortion |
| 09:17.54 | Guerin | palestinian: what changed? |
| 09:18.08 | liable | wasn't there a thing recently about paying to be removed from blacklists? |
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| 09:18.14 | palestinian | Guerin, i dont know |
| 09:18.26 | qrck | what's the difference between * and ! for the passwd field for /etc/gshadow and like ? |
| 09:18.29 | Guerin | liable: yes, but that wasn't one of the main blacklists - i think that was a pay-to-be-whitelisted |
| 09:18.34 | Guerin | palestinian: find out. |
| 09:18.36 | liable | yeah |
| 09:18.42 | Guerin | liable: goodmail? maybe. |
| 09:18.43 | bossen | is it possible to recovery a file deleted via the 'rm' command? |
| 09:18.51 | Guerin | bossen: depends. WHat filesystem? |
| 09:18.51 | liable | Guerin: ya, that was it |
| 09:19.03 | bossen | Guerin, ext2 |
| 09:19.15 | qrck | manual tell's if it's * or ! the user won't be able to login cause it's nota crypt passwd result |
| 09:19.21 | Guerin | bossen: you're in luck. Ext2 doesn't journal, so you can use undelete tools. mc has one. |
| 09:19.21 | simonrvn | watch it get taken over by spammers paying to be put on the whitelist... |
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| 09:19.25 | [Nige] | hi all |
| 09:19.44 | simonrvn | qrck: disabled passwd |
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| 09:19.45 | Guerin | simonrvn: quite. |
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| 09:19.58 | galataranator | pay to be whitelisted |
| 09:20.05 | galataranator | thats really great |
| 09:20.08 | qrck | simonrvn, so it doesn't matter whether it be ! or * ? |
| 09:20.20 | qrck | ok |
| 09:20.22 | qrck | thank you |
| 09:20.24 | bossen | Guerin, interesting. i always thought it was the other way round. btw, what is mc? |
| 09:20.30 | [Nige] | can anyone give me a hand sorting out a problem with glibc6-xen, i am unable to install it. I get the following message (i am trying to install xen) libc6-xen: PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13) but 2.6-2 is to be installed |
| 09:20.30 | [Nige] | E: Broken packages |
| 09:20.31 | Guerin | bossen: midnight commander |
| 09:20.36 | Guerin | bossen: /msg dpkg undelete |
| 09:20.37 | simonrvn | qrck: it does, can't remember what the difference is, man passwd has that info i think |
| 09:20.39 | bossen | ok, thks. |
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| 09:20.49 | qrck | simonrvn, oh ok thank you again |
| 09:20.58 | Guerin | [Nige]: you're way out of your depth. |
| 09:21.11 | streuner | [Nige]: /msg dpkg bobbitt |
| 09:21.17 | [Nige] | Guerin, I know this is why I am looking for help :) |
| 09:21.32 | streuner | [Nige]: show us your sources.list please in paster bot |
| 09:21.33 | Guerin | [Nige]: don't mix stable with unstable - we don't support it and you will horribly break your system, likely beyond repair. And we will laugh. |
| 09:21.35 | streuner | !paste |
| 09:21.35 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 09:21.43 | bliss | wykis; take a look here please http://www.pastebin.org/38 |
| 09:21.48 | Guerin | [Nige]: have you actually installed any packages yet? |
| 09:22.00 | [Nige] | okay, hang on a tick i will copy up the config first :) |
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| 09:23.06 | user1__ | why debian take out openwebmail from repo? |
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| 09:23.23 | Guerin | user1__: because of the reasons described in the bugreport which preceded its removal. |
| 09:23.28 | simonrvn | why do you ask at least once a week? |
| 09:23.35 | user1__ | where is that reporta again? |
| 09:23.41 | mancubus1 | Could you please advice apt proxy/cacher? Now I use apt-proxy, but it often not suitable... |
| 09:23.46 | Guerin | user1__: bugs.debian.org |
| 09:23.47 | user1__ | im writing a report about maiil system |
| 09:23.54 | user1__ | that includes openwebmail piece of crap |
| 09:24.00 | [Nige] | http://paste.debian.net/33888 |
| 09:24.04 | simonrvn | ooh i see |
| 09:24.12 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: translation: were doing everyone's homework |
| 09:24.16 | user1__ | i need to tell them why it's removed |
| 09:24.17 | liable | what the syntax for finding channel ops? |
| 09:24.18 | Guerin | MangosDebian: again |
| 09:24.23 | simonrvn | no kidding |
| 09:24.25 | Guerin | liable: /msg dpkg ops foo |
| 09:24.42 | streuner | [Nige]: etch isn't testing |
| 09:24.46 | liable | Guerin: nah, like a chanserv or nickserv one |
| 09:24.49 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: I should have like 6 or 7 degrees by now :) |
| 09:24.50 | [Nige] | i have also tried to install the following packages as well: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-xen-vserver-686 xen-hypervisor-3.0.3-1-i386-pae xen-tools xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-686 linux-headers-2.6-xen-vserver-686 libc6-xen bridge-utils |
| 09:24.51 | Guerin | mancubus1: depends on your need. |
| 09:24.53 | cydork | mancubus1: checked apt-cacher? |
| 09:24.54 | liable | for another channel |
| 09:24.56 | MangosDebian | Guerin: again? |
| 09:25.01 | [Nige] | i have all installed except for glibc6-xen |
| 09:25.04 | streuner | [Nige]: we know that already |
| 09:25.05 | Guerin | liable: dunno |
| 09:25.07 | simonrvn | MangosDebian: easily, in multiple domains too |
| 09:25.09 | [Nige] | it wont install about dependancies :S |
| 09:25.13 | sep | user1__, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=301561 |
| 09:25.16 | Guerin | [Nige]: give up now. |
| 09:25.18 | MangosDebian | oi |
| 09:25.19 | galataranator | mancubus1: what you need is zorp baby |
| 09:25.21 | streuner | [Nige]: you missing stable with testing, see what we told you before |
| 09:25.23 | [Nige] | why give up? |
| 09:25.24 | liable | streuner: how to find channel ops? |
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| 09:25.27 | mancubus1 | I'd like try approx |
| 09:25.38 | [Nige] | i have just installed debian 4.0 rc0 I think |
| 09:25.38 | streuner | liable: for #d? /j #debian-ops |
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| 09:25.44 | Guerin | [Nige]: because what you're doing is tryuing to graft a turkey's head onto a duck's body |
| 09:25.50 | liable | streuner: nah just on freenode in general |
| 09:25.58 | [Nige] | Guerin well where is a good tutorial on how to install it? |
| 09:26.01 | simonrvn | Guerin: and not just stuff a duck in a turkey |
| 09:26.04 | Guerin | [Nige]: you're putting unstabole packages into stable. It's never going to work. |
| 09:26.07 | cydork | liable: check /msg chanserv access #debian list |
| 09:26.11 | user1__ | no |
| 09:26.13 | Guerin | [Nige]: /msg dpkg xen |
| 09:26.16 | [Nige] | okay, so I should change to unstable then? |
| 09:26.17 | liable | cydork: danke :) |
| 09:26.17 | Guerin | nickm_: i don't use it myself |
| 09:26.24 | Guerin | [Nige]: no. |
| 09:26.25 | streuner | liable: go to freenote website, its mentioned there |
| 09:26.26 | user1__ | i want the official reason why debian developer exclude openwebmail package |
| 09:26.36 | simonrvn | see the BTS |
| 09:26.36 | Guerin | user1__: so go and look at the fucking bugreport |
| 09:26.39 | user1__ | not those mail |
| 09:26.43 | simonrvn | see the BTS |
| 09:26.46 | [Nige] | i dont like the idea of giving up |
| 09:26.51 | bliss | re XEN and how to install on etch go to http://www.howtoforge.com |
| 09:26.54 | liable | streuner: i thought you knew.. |
| 09:26.57 | streuner | [Nige]: hell, no |
| 09:27.00 | [Nige] | yer thats what I was following :) |
| 09:27.03 | [Nige] | i believae anyways |
| 09:27.07 | Guerin | [Nige]: there will be a way on stable, i just don't knoiw it |
| 09:27.13 | MangosDebian | user1__: openwebmail? not in debian i assume? |
| 09:27.16 | sep | user1__, the reason is in the bug url i gave you |
| 09:27.17 | streuner | liable: forgot that, its that often i need to know, usually RichiH is here |
| 09:27.24 | [Nige] | http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_etch_xen_from_debian_repository I have been following that guide |
| 09:27.52 | streuner | liable: NOT* |
| 09:27.52 | Guerin | [Nige]: if that guide told you to mix unstable and etch, the person who wrote it needs beaten with an axe handle |
| 09:27.54 | liable | streuner: ya, i have never made it a point to remember |
| 09:28.07 | [Nige] | maybe i should follow the debian-etch install guide rather then do xen |
| 09:28.21 | user1__ | now they are going to ask me why we use openwebmail in debian if it has bug |
| 09:28.23 | streuner | liable: something with "staff" or similar, just visit freenode's website |
| 09:28.30 | simonrvn | user1__: see the BTS |
| 09:28.37 | Guerin | [Nige]: maybe you should familiarise yourself with your chose OS before trying to do extremely advanced things on it |
| 09:28.38 | bliss | you will find that fako at howtoforge will answer any posts within 24 hours |
| 09:28.39 | liable | streuner: cydork told me already |
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| 09:28.50 | user1__ | whats bt |
| 09:28.52 | [Nige] | I have been playing with debian for a little |
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| 09:29.01 | simonrvn | !tell user1__ -about bts |
| 09:29.07 | [Nige] | i am a ubuntu convert |
| 09:29.09 | qrck | anyone prepared stable and testing and have /etc/gshadow from stable and testing compared ? |
| 09:29.14 | [Nige] | but i want to play with debian some more |
| 09:29.27 | liable | !praise [Nige] |
| 09:29.27 | user1__ | forget it, i'll just say, openwebmail is not in debian package system, so those fuckers who want to run it on debian must manually install it |
| 09:29.30 | Guerin | [Nige]: how is xen relevant to this? |
| 09:29.31 | qrck | i don't know why they are so different... |
| 09:29.35 | liable | now |
| 09:29.44 | streuner | liable: well, that will list all chanops, but not staffer |
| 09:29.46 | [Nige] | becausei want to install xen on debian |
| 09:29.46 | liable | !nickometer [Nige] |
| 09:29.48 | dpkg | '[Nige]' is 10.000% lame, liable |
| 09:29.50 | user1__ | therefore i need not to explain why the fuck debian think openwebmail is vulnerable and should be removed |
| 09:29.56 | bliss | <[Nigel]> xen is ok but if you have a lot of probs i suggest vmware |
| 09:30.00 | user1__ | right guys? |
| 09:30.05 | simonrvn | user1__: see the BTS |
| 09:30.06 | liable | streuner: channel ops is all i was after |
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| 09:30.12 | [Nige] | yer, but i dont think you can run vmware without a gui |
| 09:30.13 | streuner | ok |
| 09:30.15 | [Nige] | I want headless box |
| 09:30.16 | MangosDebian | user1__: enough with the language unless your looking for a timeout |
| 09:30.22 | Guerin | [Nige]: a quick look at that howto indicates that no unstable/sid gear is needed, so I don't know where you fucked it up |
| 09:30.24 | [Nige] | I already have the server running samba and dns and dhcp |
| 09:30.31 | bliss | wykis take a lok here please http://www.pastebin.org/38 |
| 09:30.35 | [Nige] | i want vmware running squid :) |
| 09:30.36 | user1__ | ok |
| 09:30.40 | user1__ | sorry |
| 09:30.40 | Guerin | [Nige]: if you can back out all the changes you've made thus far, I recommend doing it again, and properly this time. |
| 09:30.41 | [Nige] | well virtual machine |
| 09:30.43 | streuner | [Nige]: fix sources.list first |
| 09:30.53 | [Nige] | i dont mind reinstall debian at all |
| 09:31.05 | streuner | [Nige]: well, thats a good idea |
| 09:31.09 | [Nige] | as i said, i am playing with a vmware session rather than F@King ona productions machien |
| 09:31.28 | [Nige] | i am smarter than screwing with a production machine :P |
| 09:31.32 | MangosDebian | user1__: we all know its frustrating when bugs and issues affect your specific setup, but complaining like that just distances you more from the people your asking for help from, if that makes any sense |
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| 09:32.07 | simonrvn | tell him to go see the bts if he asks again ;) |
| 09:32.16 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 09:32.26 | simonrvn | monitor now ff |
| 09:32.35 | wykis | bliss: you need to execute that file |
| 09:32.39 | wykis | not view it.. |
| 09:32.57 | [Nige] | okay I will reinstall etch |
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| 09:33.29 | Guerin | [Nige]: read the install guide before you come back here. |
| 09:33.42 | Guerin | [Nige]: especially the bit about how apt works. |
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| 09:34.11 | streuner | [Nige]: you need in general 2 lines only |
| 09:34.22 | bliss | wykis: ok hanks as root just run sh ./alsaconf |
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| 09:34.32 | streuner | [Nige]: one for the official mirror and one for security, not more |
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| 09:34.50 | streuner | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 09:34.52 | sep | user1__, if you bothered to read the url i pasted http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=301561, you would learn how and why it is vulnerable, and it's the reason it's never been part of a stable release. |
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| 09:34.59 | Gigantic | Hi |
| 09:35.05 | streuner | deb http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian/ testing main non-free |
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| 09:35.25 | streuner | oh wrong |
| 09:35.33 | streuner | s/testing/etch/ |
| 09:35.46 | streuner | deb http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian/ etch main non-free |
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| 09:36.20 | user1__ | okok i'm sure there is always one or more reasons for debian to exclude a package, but i have something better to do than reading that crap |
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| 09:36.48 | streuner | this "crap" answer your question |
| 09:36.49 | user1__ | it doesn't matter to me really, if debian has it, i aptitude install it, otherwise, i dl source and install it myself |
| 09:36.53 | Gigantic | I have a program that I want to reserve 80% of the procesing power. I don't want the kernel to manage the power dynamically, I want to arbitrarily dedicate that amount of CPU to the program. How can I do this? |
| 09:37.04 | MangosDebian | user1__: so you come here expecting us to bear the burden of doing the hard part for you? |
| 09:37.14 | xand | user1__: and then wait for your machine to get owned? |
| 09:37.28 | user1__ | i don't care this kind of developer's crap, im not interest in developing this webmail thing nor debian packages system |
| 09:37.30 | Guerin | user1__: so if you have better things to do than reading the answer to your question, why didn't you have better things to do than fucking bother us about it? |
| 09:37.34 | Gigantic | also if I have a dual core, maybe I can dedicate one |
| 09:37.37 | user1__ | im a user to set this ting up |
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| 09:37.44 | xand | user1__: it's nothing to do with that, the program has huge security holes |
| 09:38.05 | MangosDebian | Guerin: i swear your mouth is worse than his! |
| 09:38.30 | Guerin | MangosDebian: i do not suffer fuckwits gladly. |
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| 09:39.24 | user1__ | how do i check what packages does a package required as depencies? |
| 09:39.28 | user1__ | dependencies |
| 09:39.34 | Guerin | user1__: packages.debian.org |
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| 09:39.46 | user1__ | i want to find those on system |
| 09:39.52 | streuner | apt-cache show <package> |
| 09:39.53 | MangosDebian | user1__: you know, unix isn't exactly known for being a user friendly os of the "...and the monkey flips the switch" variety |
| 09:39.56 | sep | user1__, apt-cache show packagename |
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| 09:40.20 | user1__ | that package is no longer existing , it's an old package that has been removed |
| 09:40.24 | user1__ | no more maintainese |
| 09:40.30 | user1__ | maintenence |
| 09:40.32 | streuner | well |
| 09:40.37 | kaluva | tzdata in stable has just received an update. When I want to view the Changelog in aptitute it tells me that "You can only view changelogs of offical Debian packages." Please explain? |
| 09:41.03 | sep | kaluva, you are perhaps pulling it in thru volatile ? |
| 09:41.12 | kaluva | Hm, lemme check |
| 09:41.14 | user1__ | but unix is an os for ppl to join an irc channel and ask around! |
| 09:41.19 | user1__ | and got sweared at |
| 09:41.30 | MangosDebian | kaluva: no idea about aptitude, but zless /usr/share/doc/<pkgname>/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 09:41.45 | Shadur | user1__: We only swear at obnoxious idiots and willful ignorants. |
| 09:41.47 | sep | kaluva, it's going to be in stable in the next pointrelease |
| 09:41.53 | liable | dry your eyes princess, and toughen up |
| 09:41.57 | sep | Shadur, and friends and family :) |
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| 09:42.15 | kaluva | MangosDebian: Sure. I just like to look at Changelogs before installing the update. |
| 09:42.41 | kaluva | sep: Yeah, you're right. |
| 09:42.46 | MangosDebian | user1__: notice how most of the time that happens its because some user came into the channel throwing offensive words and comments around at people |
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| 09:43.12 | user1__ | yes i see the big picture certainly |
| 09:43.34 | user1__ | the user, developer, ppl in this channel |
| 09:43.51 | streuner | just ignore him |
| 09:43.52 | rgappo | nelf and Rune_ thx it works :) I can send it!, but minicom shows the status offline, but it works :) |
| 09:43.58 | streuner | *plonk* |
| 09:44.20 | MangosDebian | streuner: unfortunately, i don't ignore people, i ignore subnets and isp's :) |
| 09:44.31 | petemc | user1__/metbsd has been acting the idiot for a while now |
| 09:44.54 | liable | i have only ever ignored one person. it was that or get banned because he is such a tard |
| 09:45.04 | MangosDebian | petemc: well that explains alot actually |
| 09:45.15 | streuner | liable: sounds like a OP then :-) |
| 09:45.32 | liable | heh, not an op :P |
| 09:45.35 | nelf | rgappo: Cool. |
| 09:45.47 | Gigantic | liable is The OP |
| 09:46.17 | streuner | petemc: good to know... |
| 09:46.41 | liable | no ops for me! way to argumentative |
| 09:47.28 | dragon | is there a way to watch encrypted dvds in debian? |
| 09:47.40 | Gigantic | libdvdcss from videolan |
| 09:47.41 | Guerin | dragon: /msg dpkg decss |
| 09:48.11 | streuner | dragon: xine (website) has a nice FAQ about |
| 09:48.28 | MangosDebian | liable: heh |
| 09:49.01 | streuner | dragon: http://xinehq.de/index.php/faq#AEN236 |
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| 09:49.21 | dragon | thanks |
| 09:49.31 | MangosDebian | liable: if I had op's, this channel would look like a warzone by the time I was done cleaning up all the non speaking idlers ;) |
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| 09:50.11 | fireba11_grr | ^^ |
| 09:50.15 | Ronin | MangosDebian: cant really ban someone for ideling, heck we all do that one for hours/days |
| 09:50.20 | liable | MangosDebian: heh, you do realise that its really all of us regulars that have 50 nicks each to make it look like a big important channel ;) |
| 09:50.35 | Ronin | liable: stop giving away our secrets |
| 09:50.59 | liable | !sssh |
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| 09:51.16 | liable | stupid bot |
| 09:51.20 | MangosDebian | Ronin: yes, but its also easy to tell the regulars from the people who come online with a new ip/nick/ident and have never registered a single messages for months or years |
| 09:51.35 | MangosDebian | liable: ssssh! |
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| 09:53.01 | MangosDebian | liable: im only complaining to keep up the facade :) |
| 09:53.09 | liable | just dont mention gag-balls |
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| 09:54.00 | Fahrenheit | Hello everybody, I'm running sid with linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 and i'v installed the nvidia driver (m-a a-i nvidia) BUT I'v got some litlle black square at the top of my screens, is there a known bug, workaround ... ? |
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| 09:54.52 | Gigantic | guess noone know or it is not easy... |
| 09:55.04 | Gigantic | (about my question) |
| 09:55.50 | Gigantic | I just want a processor quota instead of nicing things |
| 09:56.58 | Gigantic | 'cause nice is dynamic and I need an strict quota of CPU |
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| 09:57.23 | _kb | hi |
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| 09:58.16 | viller | I have only one file in /usr/share/xsessions but a lot more sessions. Are there any other folders that contain sessions? |
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| 09:59.08 | MangosDebian | Gigantic: ulimit? |
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| 10:00.17 | wingot | Hey |
| 10:00.37 | wingot | When installing debian from a netinst cd, how long should the "getting package list" from network repo take? |
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| 10:00.47 | wingot | Mine seems to be stuck on 40% for about the past 20 minutes. |
| 10:00.58 | MangosDebian | few seconds |
| 10:01.03 | fireba11_grr | wingot : depends on connection speed .. couple seconds |
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| 10:01.23 | viller | I tried to add my user to sudoers |
| 10:01.26 | viller | it worked |
| 10:01.32 | wingot | fireba11: 8Mbit down :) |
| 10:01.34 | viller | but sudo doesn't ask for a password |
| 10:01.36 | viller | is that normal |
| 10:01.37 | wingot | So, there is a problem there then :) |
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| 10:02.18 | Gigantic | MangosDebian: yes it semm to be that one.. although it look like I can set a limit for things I run on the system but I can't erstrict the rest of the system.. |
| 10:02.30 | Gigantic | MangosDebian: But I'll chek it thank you |
| 10:03.10 | Gigantic | did I type that? |
| 10:03.15 | doublehp | when doing << echo -ne "\0100\0012\0100">> /dev/ttyS1 >> how to get Linux send only 3 bytes, and not 4 ? I am enduring problems because it actually converts \0012 into CRLF ... |
| 10:03.17 | Gigantic | !brb |
| 10:03.17 | dpkg | gigantic: brb, too. Be Right Back |
| 10:03.31 | Gigantic | no that brb dpkg |
| 10:03.44 | doublehp | are there other brbs ? |
| 10:04.03 | doublehp | viller: depends on your conf :) |
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| 10:04.25 | viller | doublehp: I just copied the root line and replaced root with my username :D |
| 10:04.38 | viller | damn Ubuntu set it up all by itself |
| 10:04.41 | liable | viller: and your current login is user? |
| 10:04.44 | MangosDebian | doublehp: -E perhaps instead? |
| 10:04.46 | liable | not root? |
| 10:04.53 | doublehp | viller: do you have a NOPASSWD around ? |
| 10:04.53 | viller | liable: yes |
| 10:05.02 | viller | doublehp: what's that? |
| 10:05.12 | Gigantic | bad bad |
| 10:05.14 | doublehp | viller: that's it's aim ^^ |
| 10:05.30 | viller | aim? |
| 10:05.31 | doublehp | viller: in /etc/sudoers |
| 10:06.03 | doublehp | viller: Ubuntu != Slak :) |
| 10:06.09 | viller | Slak? |
| 10:06.16 | viller | I'm using Debian. I was just comparing |
| 10:06.23 | Gigantic | *buntu = I don't freaking care |
| 10:06.49 | wingot | viller: NOPASSWD = No Password :P |
| 10:06.55 | doublehp | MangosDebian: -E would output 15 bytes instead or 3 ... |
| 10:06.56 | wingot | Funny that |
| 10:07.07 | MangosDebian | doublehp: good point |
| 10:07.09 | viller | ok what do I have to do then |
| 10:07.18 | antgel | doublehp: just a guess, can this be sorted with setserial? |
| 10:07.21 | viller | isn't it dangerous if sudo doesn't ask for a passwd? |
| 10:07.28 | doublehp | viller: funny, my town name is called "Villers-en-Arthies" |
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| 10:07.37 | MangosDebian | doublehp: what about ' instead of "? |
| 10:07.38 | macaronesico | Hi all |
| 10:07.43 | liable | viller: about as dangerous as an admin not reading the docs |
| 10:08.01 | macaronesico | Need some help installing debian :S |
| 10:08.02 | doublehp | MangosDebian: u got me anyway. |
| 10:08.08 | viller | doublehp: ville is my real name and it's french for town |
| 10:08.12 | MangosDebian | doublehp: ? |
| 10:08.15 | viller | it's a finnish boy name really |
| 10:08.21 | doublehp | viller: lol :) |
| 10:08.23 | viller | liable: so what do I have to do |
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| 10:08.29 | doublehp | MangosDebian: yes, "of" |
| 10:08.38 | liable | viller: man sudoers |
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| 10:08.48 | Gigantic | Better try: Defaults targetpw ALL ALL = (ALL) ALL |
| 10:08.57 | doublehp | viller: I am French :) |
| 10:08.58 | macaronesico | someone could help? |
| 10:09.11 | MangosDebian | doublehp: is that a taa then? |
| 10:09.44 | MangosDebian | doublehp: as in thank you it worked? or no it didnt? |
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| 10:10.06 | wingot | viller: Remove the NOPASSWRD bit |
| 10:10.15 | Guerin | NOPASSWD bad |
| 10:10.17 | tarzeau | won't icedove be security updated in etch? |
| 10:10.21 | Gigantic | macaronesico: just ask the real question |
| 10:10.22 | wingot | Err, no R in it :P |
| 10:10.28 | Guerin | tarzeau: if there's a breach, yes |
| 10:10.37 | macaronesico | i'm trying to install debian on an old laptop |
| 10:10.40 | tarzeau | Guerin: there are |
| 10:10.41 | doublehp | MangosDebian: I did the test, and it outputs 15 chars as I expected; I want 3 ! |
| 10:10.42 | macaronesico | acer tm 525TE |
| 10:10.44 | wingot | Guerin: It's good for specific programs, but not as a complete user :) |
| 10:10.47 | Guerin | tarzeau: *shock* |
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| 10:10.53 | Guerin | wingot: indeed. |
| 10:10.54 | viller | isn't "user ALL=(ALL) ALL" fine? |
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| 10:11.06 | macaronesico | with no potions on netinstall i come to an error |
| 10:11.10 | MangosDebian | doublehp: even with -ne '......'? ok just making sure what you were saying no to |
| 10:11.11 | syntaxx | im using cups and samba. and i have a little problem in printer class status in windows when i paused the class it shows the printer status not the printer class status anyone have an idea how to fix that? |
| 10:11.15 | viller | I don't have nopasswd in sudoers |
| 10:11.21 | tarzeau | Guerin: i just wish etch had thunderbird 2.x |
| 10:11.23 | doublehp | viller: you should not touch Ubuntu defaults; you may not be able to log in as root anymore ... |
| 10:11.32 | Gigantic | viller: together with NOPASSWD is just stupid |
| 10:11.44 | tarzeau | Guerin: and then i could stop packaging upstream binaries for our site of all that mozilla crap software that others (but me) want to use |
| 10:11.44 | Gigantic | viller: ass this line too: Defaults targetpw |
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| 10:11.54 | viller | I don't have the word NOPASSWD in sudoers |
| 10:12.12 | Gigantic | viller: it will alow anyone to sudo but with the passwd |
| 10:12.16 | MangosDebian | doublehp: oh nm heh, i keep mentally visualizing that your device is interpreting the escapes or soemthing sry heh |
| 10:12.27 | doublehp | viller: also note that sudo asks password only once per 5mn ... what means, you type it once for long time ... I mean, maybe your actual settings do require a password, even if you are not asked to type it every time (5mn counter is local to terminal ) |
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| 10:12.40 | wingot | viller: Then you should be getting a password prompt the first time you use sudo in ten minutes |
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| 10:13.20 | doublehp | MangosDebian: I am having the bug with Linux sending to PIC; PIC was complaining "too many bytes received", and, HP48 reports the same number of bytes than the PIC |
| 10:13.30 | viller | lol I'm so used to Ubuntu. It asked for a password once in every terminal emulator/emulator's tab |
| 10:13.58 | MangosDebian | doublehp: in english, what 3 bytes do you need to send? |
| 10:14.32 | MangosDebian | doublehp: not sure why you would be getting 3 with that |
| 10:14.40 | macaronesico | i get a error hdc lost interrupt |
| 10:14.42 | viller | ok my earlier question: is there another folder besides /usr/share/xsessions that contains xsessions? |
| 10:15.25 | MangosDebian | doublehp: echo -ne "\0100\0012\0100" | wc -c gives me 3 here |
| 10:15.33 | doublehp | MangosDebian: I dont "need" any thing; I just want that when I send \0012, it only send THIS, and not #0Dh #0Ah ... |
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| 10:16.06 | doublehp | MangosDebian: I gave you compleet command; this means, problem lays in serial driver ! |
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| 10:16.36 | MangosDebian | doublehp: stty /dev/ttySX. isnt there a auto cr/lf option? |
| 10:16.44 | viller | where can I change which xsession will be used by startx? |
| 10:16.48 | doublehp | MangosDebian: do you want osciloscope photo as proof ? this ****** problem is ****** my day |
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| 10:17.40 | MangosDebian | doublehp: but serial has many options i thought |
| 10:17.59 | MangosDebian | doublehp: what do your stty -F /dev/ttyS0 show for options? |
| 10:18.15 | doublehp | MangosDebian: speed 9600 baud; line = 0; -brkint -imaxbel |
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| 10:18.28 | doublehp | MangosDebian: this is not the apropriate command to ask for this feature |
| 10:18.50 | XtypeWriter74 | good morning. is it save to install j2re1.4_1.4.2.03-1_i386.deb to etch stable? |
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| 10:19.22 | XtypeWriter74 | ^^from http://www.blackdown.org |
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| 10:19.35 | MangosDebian | doublehp: is that more for the vt -> driver interface and not driver -> hardware or something? |
| 10:19.41 | XtypeWriter74 | pools - non-free |
| 10:19.47 | doublehp | MangosDebian: setserial dont say either what we need |
| 10:20.41 | doublehp | MangosDebian: local terminal: speed 38400 baud; line = 240; lnext = <undef>; min = 1; time = 0; -icrnl -icanon -echo |
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| 10:21.11 | MangosDebian | doublehp: is that the stty of the terminal your echoing from? |
| 10:21.21 | doublehp | MangosDebian: Y |
| 10:21.29 | MangosDebian | doublehp: -crnl? |
| 10:21.40 | viller | where can I change which xsession will be used by startx? |
| 10:21.47 | MangosDebian | doublehp: wouldnt that map your \0012? |
| 10:21.59 | doublehp | MangosDebian: ? |
| 10:22.42 | doublehp | hmmm ... |
| 10:22.45 | MangosDebian | doublehp: sec, gotta check something |
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| 10:23.56 | doublehp | MangosDebian: I understand what you mean ... I ll test it |
| 10:24.58 | palestinian | Viva Linux |
| 10:25.10 | macaronesico | jajaja VIVA if i get it installed |
| 10:25.31 | XtypeWriter74 | ?<macaronesico> |
| 10:26.23 | tarzeau | sussudio: can i have your irc logs? |
| 10:27.03 | palestinian | macaronesico, what u need? |
| 10:27.19 | antgel | !u |
| 10:27.19 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 10:27.48 | macaronesico | i just get to the guiinstall |
| 10:28.00 | macaronesico | my cdrom driver will not be recognized |
| 10:28.03 | MangosDebian | doublehp: worst case, do the test with minicom and send the alt+scan manually and test with the scope. i find minicom tends to give me a clean connection without all the stty junk from vt getting in the way |
| 10:28.06 | macaronesico | neither my ethernet card |
| 10:28.18 | macaronesico | installing from netinstall |
| 10:28.20 | macaronesico | etch |
| 10:28.30 | doublehp | MangosDebian: I broke my port, nothing comes out since I tried -icanon |
| 10:28.31 | macaronesico | on Acer TM 525TE |
| 10:28.34 | XtypeWriter74 | laptop |
| 10:28.38 | macaronesico | yup |
| 10:28.54 | XtypeWriter74 | is it supported |
| 10:29.12 | palestinian | macaronesico, and u have it detected? |
| 10:29.35 | XtypeWriter74 | or have you booted with acpi=off option |
| 10:29.41 | XtypeWriter74 | or something like that |
| 10:29.43 | macaronesico | hmm, im a newbe |
| 10:29.52 | XtypeWriter74 | me too |
| 10:29.54 | macaronesico | i started with no options, just gui |
| 10:30.12 | macaronesico | with acpi=off i get a kernel panic |
| 10:30.32 | XtypeWriter74 | oh.. normally i always got something like that without it |
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| 10:30.42 | MangosDebian | doublehp: what im hazy on is what happens when your doing echo's from a tty to a serial when the tty has odd settings that don't match the serial. i would assume you would need to match baud and settings of ttyS0 no? |
| 10:30.46 | nayana | hi all |
| 10:30.52 | XtypeWriter74 | hi lla |
| 10:30.53 | nayana | when I start my pc |
| 10:31.03 | macaronesico | hi |
| 10:31.05 | nayana | I enter into a shell |
| 10:31.07 | nayana | rather than a login screen |
| 10:31.10 | nayana | why |
| 10:31.15 | nayana | it shows sh-3.1 |
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| 10:31.17 | macaronesico | i will retry with acpi=off |
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| 10:31.55 | XtypeWriter74 | do you have gdm,kdm... installed <nayana> |
| 10:32.00 | MangosDebian | nayana: cat /proc/cmdline, curious, did you get a busybox initrd shell? sry, dont know the exact look of it off top of my head |
| 10:32.06 | nayana | XtypeWriter74, gdm installed |
| 10:32.10 | nayana | as well as kdm |
| 10:32.36 | nayana | MangosDebian, |
| 10:32.38 | nayana | yes |
| 10:32.47 | doublehp | MangosDebian: read the logs: serial and local term do not have the same settings. After playing with all options, I now got it working: srial sends again, and \0012 is now only one. Thanks for tip. Now need to know what is the minimal command to get this result after reboot :s |
| 10:33.28 | nayana | XtypeWriter74, what needs to be done |
| 10:33.33 | MangosDebian | doublehp: what did you change anyways? serial still somewhat a hit and miss with me |
| 10:33.35 | nayana | everytime I restart gdm |
| 10:33.44 | doublehp | MangosDebian: before: speed 9600 baud; line = 0; -brkint -imaxbel |
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| 10:33.57 | doublehp | MangosDebian: now : speed 9600 baud; line = 0; -brkint -imaxbel |
| 10:33.59 | XtypeWriter74 | does it trouble if one installs kdm and gdm? |
| 10:34.05 | MangosDebian | ? |
| 10:34.10 | MangosDebian | thats the same lol |
| 10:34.17 | XtypeWriter74 | oh |
| 10:34.21 | doublehp | MangosDebian: hell, it's the same :s |
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| 10:34.34 | XtypeWriter74 | why the names |
| 10:34.44 | MangosDebian | doublehp: well, least you have the same issue i have lol. voodoo! |
| 10:35.00 | macaronesico | cdrom detected !! :D |
| 10:35.22 | MangosDebian | doublehp: check your tty too in case it changed? by chance, did you run minicom once? |
| 10:35.42 | doublehp | MangosDebian: error, I repaste: |
| 10:35.46 | doublehp | MangosDebian: before: speed 9600 baud; line = 0; -brkint -imaxbel |
| 10:36.03 | h3sp4wn | macaronesico: What motherboard chipset are you using ? |
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| 10:36.22 | doublehp | MangosDebian: now : speed 9600 baud; line = 0; -brkint -imaxbel -opost -isig (but there are too much, I should not have try RAW ) |
| 10:36.25 | MangosDebian | nayana: so is your system fully starting? or not? srry, not sure what you meant by just "yes" |
| 10:36.45 | nayana | MangosDebian, system starts fully |
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| 10:36.52 | doublehp | MangosDebian: I dont run Minicom before 3 days consecutive problems, cause it usually add more ... |
| 10:36.56 | nayana | but a warning of power-manager is shown |
| 10:37.05 | nayana | as dbus needs to be started |
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| 10:37.47 | Ramattack | Hi all |
| 10:37.59 | Ramattack | how could I install mkinitrd command with debian packages? |
| 10:38.19 | Ramattack | I'm used to do mkinitrd -o /boot/vmlinuz /lib/modules/.... |
| 10:38.22 | MangosDebian | nayana: almost sounds like your system is starting in runlevel single or something. what does: cat /proc/cmdline show? |
| 10:38.29 | h3sp4wn | macaronesico: try lspci -nn from a shell |
| 10:38.30 | macaronesico | i don't know what motherboard chipset... Acer Travelmate 525TE |
| 10:38.41 | nayana | MangosDebian, |
| 10:39.11 | h3sp4wn | macaronesico: How new is it ? |
| 10:39.46 | macaronesico | i think its 7 years old |
| 10:39.50 | macaronesico | 700Mhz |
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| 10:40.13 | nayana | MangosDebian, root=/dev/sda9 splash=silent vga=791 |
| 10:40.21 | macaronesico | but i still dont have a shell, im installing ( i think) |
| 10:40.50 | MangosDebian | nayana: what does: runlevel report? |
| 10:41.45 | XtypeWriter74 | what do you by chipset for <macaronesico> ?intel? |
| 10:42.07 | macaronesico | yup pentium III |
| 10:42.16 | macaronesico | i just saw the sticker |
| 10:42.20 | macaronesico | its a donated pc |
| 10:42.42 | h3sp4wn | macaronesico: apparantly you can install if you use the pci=off boot parameter (after the first boot don't use it anymore) |
| 10:42.55 | Ramattack | anyone who knows this please? |
| 10:42.59 | nayana | MangosDebian, N 2 |
| 10:43.01 | h3sp4wn | macaronesico: You need to use a full install cd as pci=off disables the network card |
| 10:43.02 | Ramattack | how to install mkinitrd on debian? |
| 10:43.07 | doublehp | MangosDebian: "stty -F /dev/ttyS1 raw" seems ok |
| 10:43.14 | macaronesico | negative |
| 10:43.20 | macaronesico | i use netinstall |
| 10:43.25 | MangosDebian | doublehp: well, i suppose your best bet is to stty to reset it to raw and then stty to the needed settings in rc.local perhaps? |
| 10:43.26 | macaronesico | with acpi=off |
| 10:43.39 | macaronesico | and it gets my cdrom and ethernet configured :D |
| 10:43.47 | macaronesico | im just downloading packets |
| 10:43.48 | user1__ | what does the word "uninstallable" mean, not able to install , or able to uninstall? |
| 10:43.49 | XtypeWriter74 | i found this <Ramattack> with apt-cache mkinitrd |
| 10:43.56 | Ramattack | does not exist |
| 10:43.56 | XtypeWriter74 | search^ |
| 10:44.04 | Ramattack | only exists Yaird |
| 10:44.07 | Ramattack | on etch unless |
| 10:44.09 | XtypeWriter74 | yeah |
| 10:44.31 | doublehp | MangosDebian: no Debian atm, but, startup process has no secret for me. Problem is to know what to type. |
| 10:44.33 | Ramattack | If I do apt-cache search mkinitrd does not appear this |
| 10:44.37 | Ramattack | only yaird |
| 10:45.00 | MangosDebian | nayana: well, perhaps its related to that dbus or something. I dont know anything about it or what else might be causing your sh shell then. sry |
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| 10:45.18 | viller | what command shuts down the computer? |
| 10:45.25 | doublehp | viller: halt |
| 10:45.26 | h3sp4wn | viller: halt -p |
| 10:45.26 | Guerin | viller: shutdown |
| 10:45.34 | Guerin | viller: AMAZING BUT TRUE |
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| 10:45.42 | MangosDebian | doublehp: well, start with raw and add options til you get it working no? |
| 10:45.46 | doublehp | viller: halt -hip, will shutdown an ATX supply the hard way :) |
| 10:45.56 | viller | bash: shutdown: command not found |
| 10:46.03 | viller | bash: halt: command not found |
| 10:46.08 | petemc | id |
| 10:46.09 | XtypeWriter74 | http://yaird.alioth.debian.org/yaird.html<Ramattack> |
| 10:46.09 | Guerin | viller: bee root |
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| 10:46.15 | Guerin | s/ee/e |
| 10:46.29 | doublehp | viller: /sbin/halt (sbin never in USER PATH, cause user dont need super commands :D ) |
| 10:46.55 | macaronesico | what graphical interface you use for webdesign, if any uses it for it?? |
| 10:47.02 | doublehp | Guerin: root dont have sbin in PATH if accessed through sudo bash (remember, he is on Ubuntu ) |
| 10:47.05 | Guerin | macaronesico: firefox |
| 10:47.14 | Guerin | doublehp: he's on ubuntu? |
| 10:47.22 | Guerin | vanksi: you're on ubuntu? |
| 10:47.23 | doublehp | Guerin: from memory, he "was" :) |
| 10:47.32 | XtypeWriter74 | <Ramattack> does that fit for you ? |
| 10:47.39 | doublehp | Guerin: not vanksi, viller ! |
| 10:47.50 | Guerin | yehyeh |
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| 10:48.30 | doublehp | Guerin: (12:13:31) viller: lol I'm so used to Ubuntu. It asked for a password once in every terminal emulator/emulator's tab |
| 10:48.42 | Guerin | wtf |
| 10:48.49 | Guerin | stupid sudo-using ubuntards |
| 10:48.55 | Penix | hehe |
| 10:48.59 | doublehp | lol |
| 10:49.00 | Penix | !spank sudo |
| 10:49.15 | Guerin | if you're going to use a dumb blanket policy, at least UNDERSTAND how it works |
| 10:49.28 | XtypeWriter74 | whats wrong with using sudo ? |
| 10:49.29 | h3sp4wn | Incidently is there a way to set which so that it also searches /sbin /usr/sbin (perhaps aliasing it to something else - whence?) |
| 10:49.45 | Guerin | XtypeWriter74: nothing, as long as you UNDERSTAND it |
| 10:49.48 | h3sp4wn | "which" being the command |
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| 10:50.14 | Guerin | h3sp4wn: set the PATH variable appropriately |
| 10:50.19 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 10:50.29 | mynullvoid | My bind9 config is: http://pastebin.com/d3706397c |
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| 10:50.39 | mynullvoid | and I am getting many Aug 2 17:39:34 file named[5387]: client 192.168.0.89#1059: view internal: query (cache) 'us.bc.yahoo.com/A/IN' denied |
| 10:50.40 | Guerin | mynullvoid: tell #dns |
| 10:50.42 | mynullvoid | how do I fix this |
| 10:50.49 | h3sp4wn | Guerin: But then I have those directories in my PATH (and I don't want that) |
| 10:51.25 | h3sp4wn | (for sudo I can use - zstyle ':completion:*:sudo:*' command-path /usr/local/sbin /usr/local/bin \ /usr/sbin /usr/bin /sbin /bin |
| 10:51.28 | Guerin | h3sp4wn: set it temporarily - alias swhich="PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:$PATH which" |
| 10:51.39 | mynullvoid | Guerin: I had been asking both in #bind and #dns but no response |
| 10:51.44 | Guerin | for one of a million possible ways |
| 10:51.52 | Guerin | mynullvoid: good luck, then. |
| 10:52.15 | Guerin | mynullvoid: you're getting that output where? |
| 10:52.22 | mynullvoid | syslog |
| 10:52.30 | Guerin | it might be you just have logging set too sensitive |
| 10:52.45 | Guerin | it's been years since I looked at a bind config though |
| 10:52.47 | h3sp4wn | Guerin: Good idea (looking in the wrong places) thanks |
| 10:52.49 | mynullvoid | my LAN unable to perform the query |
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| 10:53.18 | mynullvoid | I had set the match client 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 10:53.28 | mynullvoid | and it should perform the query |
| 10:53.44 | Guerin | oh, right |
| 10:53.49 | Guerin | i didn't see the `denied' |
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| 10:54.02 | Guerin | mynullvoid: why not just allow any client? |
| 10:54.10 | petemc | mynullvoid: is recursion on |
| 10:54.13 | Guerin | it's not like it burns resources, or is a security risk. |
| 10:54.34 | mynullvoid | recursion yes; |
| 10:54.53 | mynullvoid | Guerin: I got two view |
| 10:54.59 | petemc | mynullvoid: and the match clients is for your internal view? |
| 10:55.02 | Guerin | that means nothing to me |
| 10:55.06 | Guerin | oh |
| 10:55.08 | mynullvoid | view internal and view external |
| 10:55.15 | Guerin | i see |
| 10:55.16 | mynullvoid | yes |
| 10:55.22 | Guerin | beyond my sk1lz thenm |
| 10:55.23 | petemc | Guerin: gives different answers according to the address of the client |
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| 10:55.33 | Guerin | yeh, i grok |
| 10:55.44 | litage | when you're in X, why does fgconsole fail with "Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console" unless run as root? |
| 10:55.58 | mynullvoid | it accept the query but return denied |
| 10:56.15 | petemc | mynullvoid: i have: acl internals { 127.0.0.0/8; 10.0.0.0/16; }; , and view "internal" {match-clients { internals; }; |
| 10:56.40 | petemc | and it works fine |
| 10:56.40 | mynullvoid | petemc: My bind9 config is: http://pastebin.com/d3706397c |
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| 10:57.58 | petemc | mynullvoid: does named-checkconf think its ok? |
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| 10:58.35 | mynullvoid | never tried that |
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| 10:58.43 | petemc | mynullvoid: rndc querylog toggles verbose logging |
| 10:59.07 | mynullvoid | got nothing |
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| 10:59.47 | mynullvoid | I ran both rndc querylog toggles verbose logging and named-checkconf and it return nothing at all |
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| 11:00.03 | bliss | hi |
| 11:00.24 | bliss | if i want to uninstall vmware what is the command |
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| 11:00.37 | petemc | mynullvoid: tail syslog |
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| 11:02.32 | mynullvoid | petemc: you mean after running what? |
| 11:02.44 | petemc | mynullvoid: rndc querylog |
| 11:02.56 | petemc | mynullvoid: also, you'll want to tell named-checkconf which file to check |
| 11:03.55 | mynullvoid | petemc: I got verbose output in syslog |
| 11:04.02 | mynullvoid | and can also see the denied |
| 11:04.04 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: you have lwresd installed too or something? |
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| 11:04.15 | petemc | mynullvoid: other queries work ok? |
| 11:04.16 | mynullvoid | ? |
| 11:04.29 | mynullvoid | my dmz able to resolve |
| 11:04.36 | mynullvoid | my dmz is at 192.168.2.0/24 |
| 11:04.45 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: you have lwresd installed too or something? |
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| 11:05.07 | mynullvoid | mangosDebian: sorry I don't get you |
| 11:05.16 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: I only ask cause: named[5387]: client 192.168.0.89#1059:.... |
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| 11:05.28 | MangosDebian | i assume thats src port though |
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| 11:05.55 | mynullvoid | petemc: named-checkconf named.conf result nothing as well |
| 11:06.04 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: was just wondering if you had some sort of caching ns that wasnt restarted or something odd, cause I cant see anything wrong with yout conf either :/ |
| 11:06.22 | mynullvoid | MangosDebian: ok |
| 11:06.22 | petemc | mynullvoid: right, you could try, for the sake of it, putting 192.168.0.0/16 in your internal view |
| 11:06.39 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: hmm, client from a 192.168.0.0/24 but your not listing on that ip? |
| 11:06.52 | mynullvoid | yes |
| 11:07.11 | mynullvoid | MangosDebian: my bind9 is listening at 192.168.2.19 |
| 11:07.36 | mynullvoid | I mean the eth0 IP for bind9 is 192.168.2.19 |
| 11:08.24 | mynullvoid | so |
| 11:08.24 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: ya nm |
| 11:09.01 | mynullvoid | Aug 2 19:09:51 file named[3425]: client 192.168.0.74#1081: view internal: query (cache) 'stats.update.microsoft.com/A/IN' denied |
| 11:09.25 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: are you using a forwarder? |
| 11:10.10 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: named.conf.options -> forwarders {}; |
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| 11:10.30 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: that or are you using root servers in any other conf? |
| 11:10.44 | mynullvoid | MangosDebian: I had paste my conf |
| 11:10.49 | mynullvoid | and that's are all |
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| 11:11.02 | petemc | mynullvoid: could you try commenting out the listen-on line |
| 11:11.21 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: well, i assume your hint is the root server list and up to date? |
| 11:11.37 | petemc | MangosDebian: he says it works for on subnet |
| 11:11.44 | petemc | s/on/one/ |
| 11:12.00 | mynullvoid | the external view is working |
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| 11:12.14 | petemc | mynullvoid: the external view doesnt do recursion, tho |
| 11:12.18 | mynullvoid | 192.168.2.0/24 where my bind9 in it working |
| 11:12.21 | wingot | When I run an apt-get update, I get a : W: GPG error: http://mirror.eftel.com stable Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 11:12.27 | wingot | Anyone know the cause? |
| 11:12.32 | mynullvoid | view external recursion no |
| 11:12.41 | mynullvoid | view internal recursion yes |
| 11:12.56 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: whats your root.cache look like? |
| 11:13.23 | mynullvoid | I don't have one |
| 11:13.23 | petemc | mynullvoid: does the box have an interface for 192.168.0.0 or.. ? |
| 11:13.31 | mynullvoid | petemc: no |
| 11:13.47 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: you dont have one what? |
| 11:13.48 | petemc | mynullvoid: so, how do those clients reach that box? |
| 11:14.05 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: a /etc/bind/int/root.cache? |
| 11:14.06 | mynullvoid | I don't have the root.cache file |
| 11:14.10 | MangosDebian | !? |
| 11:14.25 | mynullvoid | sec |
| 11:14.29 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: how do you expect to get dns if you dont prime root servers or use forwarding? |
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| 11:14.44 | mynullvoid | ok I got that in int |
| 11:14.49 | MangosDebian | your box has no idea where to ask for dns otherwise |
| 11:14.57 | mynullvoid | yes I got that |
| 11:15.05 | MangosDebian | can you paste it plz? |
| 11:15.14 | mynullvoid | wow that's long |
| 11:15.16 | mynullvoid | sec |
| 11:15.48 | MangosDebian | should only be 45lines or so |
| 11:15.57 | petemc | mynullvoid: did you try changing the acl like i said? |
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| 11:16.05 | MangosDebian | unless your primting it with cache dns and not root servers :) |
| 11:16.24 | mynullvoid | http://pastebin.com/d7d3fb39c |
| 11:16.40 | petemc | MangosDebian: isnt this moot if it works for some clients? |
| 11:16.43 | mynullvoid | petemc: I don't think I got acl |
| 11:16.58 | petemc | mynullvoid: the match clients statement |
| 11:17.02 | MangosDebian | petemc: his master zones arent the same though |
| 11:17.05 | mynullvoid | petemc: how do I have one? where can I append? |
| 11:17.15 | petemc | mynullvoid: i suggested changing it to 192.168.0.0/16 |
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| 11:17.32 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: ahh ok, looks fine. just worried you were using some cache dns for your hint and no root servers. skip that idea then |
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| 11:19.23 | mynullvoid | petemc: how the line gonna be? |
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| 11:19.53 | petemc | mynullvoid: remove 192.168.0.0/24; and change 192.168.2.0/24; to 192.168.0.0/16; |
| 11:20.45 | mynullvoid | petemc: any reason why? |
| 11:21.04 | petemc | mynullvoid: it doesnt seem to be allowing queries from 192.168.0.x |
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| 11:21.14 | mynullvoid | petemc: I got many LAN users here |
| 11:21.21 | petemc | ok? |
| 11:21.37 | mynullvoid | if I put /16 it gonna limit my no of users? |
| 11:21.42 | petemc | no |
| 11:21.51 | mynullvoid | ok |
| 11:21.55 | mynullvoid | let me try |
| 11:22.29 | mynullvoid | same :( |
| 11:22.31 | mynullvoid | denied |
| 11:22.38 | petemc | you restarted bind? |
| 11:23.31 | mynullvoid | sure I did |
| 11:23.45 | mynullvoid | let me try to remove bind and reinstall it back |
| 11:23.51 | petemc | i wouldnt bother doing that |
| 11:23.56 | mynullvoid | heh |
| 11:23.59 | MangosDebian | ya |
| 11:24.00 | petemc | try commenting out the listen-on line |
| 11:24.09 | mynullvoid | in which view |
| 11:24.10 | MangosDebian | it cant be that though |
| 11:24.16 | petemc | MangosDebian: its not in a view |
| 11:24.18 | petemc | gah |
| 11:24.33 | petemc | mynullvoid: theres only one listen on line |
| 11:24.35 | MangosDebian | we know 1) the netmask is fine cause of the error and 2) its hitting the view match |
| 11:24.40 | mynullvoid | ok |
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| 11:24.57 | mynullvoid | comment listen-on |
| 11:25.02 | mynullvoid | let me try |
| 11:25.17 | ManuP | hi. how do i rename all files in a dir from foo.jpg in foo_.jpg? |
| 11:25.23 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: double check the syslog perhaps and look for typos in your paths to root.cache and file permissions etc |
| 11:25.29 | antgel | !rename |
| 11:25.35 | antgel | hmm |
| 11:25.37 | MangosDebian | although thats a shot in the dark more than anything :/ |
| 11:25.43 | antgel | !kill dpkg |
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| 11:26.00 | mynullvoid | same |
| 11:26.01 | antgel | ah, it's a bot command |
| 11:26.23 | mynullvoid | petemc: I had comment listen-on and it results same |
| 11:27.03 | cydork | ManuP: man rename |
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| 11:27.20 | ManuP | cydork, okay, i am on it |
| 11:27.30 | wingot | What's the ssl certificate file? I can't seem to find apache2-ssl-certificate on this system? |
| 11:27.58 | petemc | wingot: make-ssl-cert |
| 11:28.11 | wingot | petemc: Thanks |
| 11:28.13 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: it cant be listen-on if named is telling you about the cached request and the view it matched. its not the matching code thats causing this. have you tried a new dns that wouldnt be cached yet just in case its cache related? |
| 11:28.38 | ManuP | what does s/\.bak// mean? |
| 11:28.39 | mynullvoid | let me try |
| 11:28.42 | wingot | petemc: Still getting command not found ... |
| 11:28.54 | petemc | wingot: you perhaps need to install it |
| 11:29.24 | MangosDebian | hmm, but you did restart bind so it shouldnt be that. when you restart bind, what does syslog say? nothing special? |
| 11:29.29 | mynullvoid | same |
| 11:29.38 | ManuP | i mean s/\.bak$// mean? |
| 11:29.41 | wingot | Oh, right, I overlooked openssl.deb |
| 11:29.42 | antgel | ManuP: basically find the string .bak and delete it |
| 11:29.43 | wingot | Cheers |
| 11:29.50 | ManuP | so s means delete it? |
| 11:30.04 | antgel | ManuP: no, it's substitute |
| 11:30.09 | petemc | wingot: i think its in ssl-cert |
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| 11:30.25 | ManuP | so it means s: substitute .bak with nothing? |
| 11:30.26 | mhall | Has anybody used Openoffice on AMD64 yet? |
| 11:30.37 | wingot | petemc: Thanks |
| 11:30.40 | antgel | mhall: probably |
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| 11:30.42 | ManuP | antgel, what are all the / and \ about? |
| 11:30.45 | mhall | I am switching to AMD64 mode today. I am tired of this 32-bit bullshit. |
| 11:30.45 | mynullvoid | http://pastebin.com/d326d39b6 |
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| 11:30.55 | mhall | antgel: I heard for a long time the code wasn't 64-safe. |
| 11:30.59 | mynullvoid | that's my syslog upon restarting bind9 |
| 11:31.10 | antgel | ManuP: man sed |
| 11:31.28 | antgel | mhall: so maybe not |
| 11:31.35 | mhall | argh |
| 11:31.46 | ManuP | antgel, will look it up |
| 11:32.21 | cydork | ManuP: it will remove the ".bak" extension from files. |
| 11:33.29 | ManuP | cydork, i noticed this by testing the command. i want to adapt it for my purpose. but found now answer in man sed. the command is s/string/string/modus |
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| 11:33.45 | logd | ow's it possible that temperature readings works fine in kernel 2.6.22.1 but only thermal zone is shown in kernel 2.6.23 ? (via-686a-9191) |
| 11:34.08 | mhall | logd: in 2.6.22 my SATA controller doesn't fucking work |
| 11:34.41 | mynullvoid | http://pastebin.com/d36455d42 |
| 11:34.44 | wingot | clear |
| 11:34.50 | mynullvoid | I just reinstall my bind9 |
| 11:34.57 | mynullvoid | and getting this error http://pastebin.com/d36455d42 |
| 11:35.16 | cydork | ManuP: huh? to rename foo.jpg to foo_.jpb you need 's/\.jpg$/_.jpg/' |
| 11:35.56 | ManuP | yes, i know |
| 11:36.13 | mynullvoid | Stopping domain name service...: bindrndc: connection to remote host closed |
| 11:36.31 | logd | <mhall> my problem's opposite: everything works nice in 22 poorly in 23 ;) |
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| 11:37.44 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: ok sec |
| 11:37.54 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: allow-recursion vs. recursion |
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| 11:38.57 | mynullvoid | ok ok |
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| 11:39.25 | mynullvoid | I forget to putback the rndc.key |
| 11:39.29 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: recursion doesnt allow adding new stuff to cache (ie: new stuff) it seems. "it only prevents new data from being cached as an effect of client queries". Then they say "So we now use: allow-query-cache..." for that |
| 11:39.50 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: http://www.webservertalk.com/message1922973.html |
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| 11:40.47 | Ramattack | XtypeWriter74, thanks a lot truthly mates |
| 11:40.49 | Ramattack | see you! |
| 11:40.51 | Ramattack | bye |
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| 11:41.24 | mynullvoid | MangosDebian: what should I look for |
| 11:41.35 | mynullvoid | MangosDebian: do you want me to change any line of my named.conf? |
| 11:41.37 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: look at the "Kal Feher" post |
| 11:42.02 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: try use allow-recursion instead of just recursion i think is what they are saying in your view |
| 11:42.35 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: the whole thread seems to go over what your dealing with though. hope that helps |
| 11:42.55 | mynullvoid | ok |
| 11:43.24 | mynullvoid | so instead of having recursion yes; I should use allow-recursion; ? |
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| 11:43.44 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: although it doesnt explain why its only trying to use the cache when clearly the host you query werent cache *shrug* |
| 11:43.51 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: ya, try it |
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| 11:44.41 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: or optionally, since its just cache denied, perhaps: allow-query-cache {} in your view since its loclnets and localhost acls by default |
| 11:44.42 | mynullvoid | '/etc/bind/named.conf:7: '{' expected near ';' |
| 11:45.07 | tenzind | hi, i am using etch on an acer aspire notebook. It has a crystal eye webcam. How can i configure it to work on etch? do i need to install some non-etch stuff for that? |
| 11:45.10 | kim0 | Hi, I have some machines on a NIS domain. Is there someway to centralize Printers, instead of defining them on every client ?! |
| 11:45.14 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: put in the hosts from match-clients, same syntax |
| 11:45.49 | mynullvoid | MangosDebian: you mean inside the match-clients {}? |
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| 11:46.24 | MangosDebian | ya, i think its an acl not a boolean, i can check manual though if you give a sec |
| 11:46.42 | mynullvoid | '/etc/bind/named.conf:7: undefined ACL 'allow-recursion' |
| 11:46.55 | MangosDebian | ya, its an acl |
| 11:47.26 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: same format as match-clients, dont miss anything |
| 11:47.27 | drbair | I keep getting errors in my log like so: "cron[31938]: segfault at 0000000000000000 rip 0000000000000000 rsp 00007fff8305b4e8 error 14". This happens each and everytime cron has something to do. I ran it through strace and got this: http://pastebin.ca/642903. Etch AMD64 |
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| 11:48.12 | mynullvoid | ok |
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| 11:49.22 | mynullvoid | MangosDebian: yes! |
| 11:49.28 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 11:49.45 | mynullvoid | MangosDebian: thank you man |
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| 11:50.01 | RichiH | gah |
| 11:50.10 | RichiH | any eta on nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7 being .22? |
| 11:50.16 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: np. might want recursion yes; in there too. not sure if they are mutually exclusive though. hard to tell by the wording |
| 11:50.45 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: well, try resolve something locally on the server just in case. perhaps with and without it |
| 11:50.48 | mynullvoid | I just restarted my server ahaks! I will add the recursion yes as well |
| 11:51.55 | petemc | mynullvoid: what version of debian are you using? |
| 11:52.07 | mynullvoid | lenny |
| 11:52.28 | mynullvoid | petemc: I am using unstable |
| 11:52.32 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: also, try allow-query-cache instead of allow-recursion, and put recursion yes; back in. im thinking you only really ever needed allow-query-cache |
| 11:52.45 | MangosDebian | lenny is testing not unstable |
| 11:52.46 | petemc | i must take note of that change for when i upgrade.. |
| 11:52.54 | mynullvoid | ops sorry |
| 11:53.02 | mynullvoid | I am using unstable |
| 11:53.36 | MangosDebian | guess that explains why ive never had it. i only recall ever using allow-recursion in my setups |
| 11:53.40 | mynullvoid | MangosDebian so I just change allow-recursion with allow-query-cache? |
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| 11:54.19 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: ya, try that, and put back in recursion yes; curious if thats all you needed. and restart to flush the cache |
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| 11:55.32 | mynullvoid | MangosDebian: done that and it works |
| 11:55.32 | MangosDebian | i only suggest that since the error was specifically a cache denied, and thats what allow-query-cache seems to be for if you follow me. |
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| 11:56.05 | MangosDebian | test localhost for the bind box queries too. don't want something to break :) |
| 11:56.14 | mynullvoid | ok |
| 11:57.47 | unlink | i can't remove a package, dpkg keeps dying |
| 11:57.55 | antgel | unlink: paste it? |
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| 11:58.21 | mynullvoid | MangosDebian: can you try to use my dns |
| 11:58.30 | MangosDebian | whats your ip? |
| 11:58.32 | mynullvoid | I guess I can't resolve from outside |
| 11:58.32 | unlink | antgel: http://rafb.net/p/dVKrgN13.html |
| 11:58.42 | mynullvoid | MangosDebian: ns.azrb.com |
| 11:58.46 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: you shouldnt be able too :) |
| 11:58.53 | MangosDebian | sec |
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| 11:59.06 | antgel | unlink: are you running stable? |
| 11:59.08 | mynullvoid | MangosDebian: or 60.49.246.154 |
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| 11:59.20 | MangosDebian | ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 12371 |
| 11:59.25 | unlink | antgel: Nope |
| 11:59.31 | mynullvoid | MangosDebian: I am running bind9 for internal and external |
| 11:59.39 | unlink | antgel: up-to-date amd64 sid |
| 11:59.52 | logd | some1 knows why make modules sometimes recompiles all and sometimes only new added features ? |
| 11:59.59 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: i know, but you dont WANT to resolve anything else for external. only answer queries for your dns |
| 12:00.07 | antgel | unlink: so you're expected to know what to do :) i recommend you report the bug though - it's not in the BTS |
| 12:00.20 | antgel | unlink: did you read the file in the message? |
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| 12:00.25 | mynullvoid | oic |
| 12:00.26 | antgel | /tmp/whatever |
| 12:00.28 | dadark | Hi all |
| 12:00.30 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: else you open yourself up to dns cache poisoning attacks or something iirc |
| 12:00.42 | unlink | antgel: um, i don't think there's such an expectation |
| 12:00.49 | dadark | Anyone knows where to start when trying to strip a debian plain install? |
| 12:00.59 | mynullvoid | MangosDebian: can you resolve www.azrb.com from ns.azrb.com? |
| 12:01.02 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: last thing you want is my altering my rev dns to be hotmail.com and getting you to put that in your cache when you rev dns me ;) |
| 12:01.06 | MangosDebian | sec |
| 12:01.13 | antgel | unlink: so let's disagree |
| 12:01.14 | dadark | I'm pretty sure there must be documents about stripping Debian out there ;) Didn't find any, tho |
| 12:01.26 | Ronin | dadark: what do you mean by stripping debian |
| 12:01.29 | MangosDebian | www.azrb.com. 86400 IN CNAME mail.azrb.com. |
| 12:01.33 | antgel | getting naked |
| 12:01.40 | unlink | antgel: http://rafb.net/p/KWxnLY34.html |
| 12:01.43 | mynullvoid | ok |
| 12:01.48 | Ronin | antgel: well thats what i thought to but i always think that way :) |
| 12:01.52 | XtypeWriter74 | <dadark> what do you strip? |
| 12:02.05 | mynullvoid | MangosDebian: I don't understand by the last thing? |
| 12:02.15 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: which thing? |
| 12:02.27 | dadark | Well, I need to install Debian on a 512MB CF Card |
| 12:02.48 | antgel | dadark: how about DSL? |
| 12:03.06 | mynullvoid | <MangosDebian> mynullvoid: last thing you want is my altering my rev dns to be hotmail.com and getting you to put that in your cache when you rev dns me ;) |
| 12:03.06 | dadark | But the base system requires almost 480 MB and I also need gcc and stuff :p |
| 12:03.15 | dadark | antgel: DSL? |
| 12:03.19 | Ronin | !dsl |
| 12:03.20 | dpkg | it has been said that dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux (ask me about <based on debian>) |
| 12:03.48 | mynullvoid | MangosDebian: do you have YM ID? |
| 12:03.52 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: cache poisoning. if someone can alter rev dns to be say hotmail.com and you cache that, then your clients would think im hotmail.com |
| 12:04.02 | mynullvoid | heh |
| 12:04.11 | mynullvoid | ok |
| 12:04.15 | antgel | unlink: so it can't find pdftexconfig.tex. use apt-file to see where that file should be on your system, then you can verify whether it's there |
| 12:04.19 | mynullvoid | MangosDebian: do you have YM ID? or any IM |
| 12:04.35 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: no, just email here |
| 12:04.46 | mynullvoid | ok |
| 12:04.56 | mynullvoid | are you debian dev? |
| 12:05.03 | MangosDebian | no |
| 12:05.05 | dadark | Ah, ok, DSL is pretty cool but I need to strip my current install.. Unfortunately reinstalling is no option |
| 12:05.07 | MangosDebian | hobbyist :) |
| 12:05.29 | unlink | antgel: oh yeah, it's there |
| 12:05.32 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: more of a linux slut who's been around the block a few times :p |
| 12:05.32 | mynullvoid | how old 're you, if you don't mind |
| 12:05.44 | MangosDebian | yes, i do! lol ;) |
| 12:05.44 | unlink | antgel: well, not where dpkg is expecting it, but it's where it's supposed to be |
| 12:05.47 | fluxdude | changing my network card seems to have shifted eth0 to eth1 and now again to eth2 |
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| 12:05.57 | MangosDebian | old enough to know better, young enough to do it again |
| 12:06.02 | fluxdude | but there is still only one network card, why is it not still eth0 for the first one? |
| 12:06.14 | fluxdude | where can I stop this silly behaviour |
| 12:06.18 | kova | hi folks, who can help me on a SDL question? |
| 12:06.24 | antgel | fluxdude: i had this. /msg dpkg z25 |
| 12:06.31 | antgel | kova: /j #sdl |
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| 12:07.00 | antgel | unlink: what do you mean not where dpkg is expecting it? |
| 12:07.26 | kova | antgel, I actually want to now what packages to install to get SDL support in ffmpeg build |
| 12:07.28 | MangosDebian | mynullvoid: well, im outta here. hope everythings working ok then. cya around |
| 12:07.39 | mynullvoid | ok |
| 12:07.41 | mynullvoid | thanks again |
| 12:07.47 | MangosDebian | np, cya |
| 12:07.50 | mynullvoid | bye |
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| 12:07.55 | mynullvoid | cya 2 |
| 12:08.07 | antgel | kova: have you done aptitude search sdl? |
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| 12:08.24 | unlink | antgel: whatever dpkg is doing to remove/add it |
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| 12:08.27 | kova | yes ... there's a lot and I don't know which to install |
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| 12:09.06 | yos87 | Hi |
| 12:09.17 | unlink | antgel: reported th ebug. gotta head out, alter |
| 12:09.52 | yos87 | I have question, how can I get all packages list with spease between them, because I want to install all of them in same time on another machine |
| 12:09.57 | fluxdude | antgel: thanks that sorted it |
| 12:09.59 | dragon | how can i play a video with mplayer and have a sep autio file.. i have video.m2v and an audio.a52 file |
| 12:10.32 | antgel | fluxdude: killed me for half a day, that one, then i came here and stew told me in 5 seconds |
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| 12:13.28 | syntaxx | im using cups and samba. and i have a little problem in printer class status in windows when i paused the class it shows the printer status not the printer class status anyone have an idea how to fix that? |
| 12:13.31 | cydork | yos87: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 12:15.11 | yos87 | cydork: where i have to past this? in the terminal? |
| 12:15.39 | raboof | (how) can I open a 'jnlp' ('java web start') application on Debian? |
| 12:15.51 | antgel | yos87: you have to read up on irc commands |
| 12:16.08 | cydork | yos87: in your irc client. |
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| 12:16.15 | yos87 | ok, yea I did |
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| 12:20.13 | yos87 | cydork: thank you verymuch, I worked |
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| 12:23.05 | Coke | Hi! how can I find out what DNS I'm currently using if it has been set by the DHCP server? |
| 12:23.19 | antgel | Coke: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:25.50 | orkam_wrk | Using apt-get update , apt gives me an error (GPG: No public key available). gpg -gen-key did not fix that. How can I fix it then? |
| 12:26.25 | Coke | antgel: thanks |
| 12:26.30 | cydork | orkam_wrk: check /topic |
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| 12:27.23 | antgel | cydork: you didn't topicsmite him |
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| 12:28.19 | raboof | I though Sun GPL'ed Java5 - but it seems it's still in non-free. any reason for that? |
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| 12:32.24 | abrotman | raboof: not fully gpled yet |
| 12:32.55 | antgel | kingsley: THANK YOU! |
| 12:33.07 | antgel | oops, that was meant for abrotman |
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| 12:33.53 | Arme[N] | Hi, In Debian etch some app like iceweasel terminatid with segmentation fault or sometimes X restarted or freezed at all, I don't know how to debug this situation, Would you suggest me any documentation or anything that I lern how to find the problem? |
| 12:33.54 | raboof | for the record, opening a 'jnlp' ('java web start') application can be done with the 'javaws' interpreter |
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| 12:34.33 | palestinian | how i take off the mute of alsamixer?, with m, or space i cant |
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| 12:39.44 | numer | pfote , da hab ich schon hingeschrieben, dass ist in der tuerkei und die scheinen die mails nicht zu lesen |
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| 12:40.32 | MoDaX | palestinian: m |
| 12:40.38 | zamuro | !de |
| 12:40.38 | dpkg | i heard de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 12:40.40 | liable | no idea why |
| 12:41.47 | numer | does anyone know if there is a way to download a database from the web? is there a sort of grabber? which can download something like domain.tld/database?id=XXXXX |
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| 12:42.05 | liable | palestinian: the > keys do it too iirc |
| 12:42.27 | MoDaX | Arme[N]: what is your video card? |
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| 12:42.42 | liable | numer: you are developing a spam bot? |
| 12:42.58 | numer | liable spambot? what for? god no |
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| 12:43.22 | numer | i just would like to make information localy available here in the network |
| 12:43.32 | liable | my cynical mind cant think of another reason |
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| 12:43.50 | numer | liable thats maybe because of your limited horizont |
| 12:43.50 | Arme[N] | MoDaX: Nvidia geforce 6200 |
| 12:44.04 | MoDaX | Arme[N]: which drivers? |
| 12:44.11 | Arme[N] | MoDaX: I try nv , nvidia and vesa drivers |
| 12:44.14 | liable | numer: no, its my vertica thats limited |
| 12:44.25 | MoDaX | Arme[N]: the same with either? |
| 12:44.31 | Arme[N] | MoDaX: yes |
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| 12:44.53 | kervan | Hi. I have a question. I can not see kernel-headers with "aptitude search" but I can see it with synaptic why I don't see it with aptitude? |
| 12:45.08 | MoDaX | Arme[N]: have you checked your ram with e.g. memtest+ ? |
| 12:45.41 | Arme[N] | MoDaX: No I didn't, I'll try it, thanks |
| 12:45.46 | kombi | how do you force over install a package again? |
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| 12:46.01 | kombi | apt-get re-install? |
| 12:46.01 | liable | kervan: kernel headers havent been available since 2.4, they are linux-headers now. no idea why your synaptic says so |
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| 12:46.07 | MoDaX | kombi: aptitude reinstall or apt-get --reinstall install |
| 12:46.16 | kombi | thanks MoDaX! |
| 12:47.01 | liable | or was it 2.6.8 they changed.. i forget |
| 12:47.19 | kervan | liable: Can I install nvidia without kernel-headers with kernel-2.6.18-686? |
| 12:47.25 | Quintin | hey guys, what is the name of company that leases easy to use linux based file servers ? |
| 12:47.32 | liable | kervan: linux-headers |
| 12:47.33 | MoDaX | liable: around 2.6.12 or .13 |
| 12:47.41 | tarzeau | Quintin: me |
| 12:47.54 | tarzeau | Quintin: what country, how many computers? |
| 12:48.00 | kervan | liable: ok I understand now? kernel-headers=Linux-headers |
| 12:48.07 | Quintin | tarzeau, ehm, I don't think you are company |
| 12:48.08 | MoDaX | kervan: yes, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` |
| 12:48.13 | tarzeau | Quintin: yes i am |
| 12:48.19 | tarzeau | Quintin: well, i have one |
| 12:48.20 | Quintin | tarzeau, not hte one I am thinking of ... |
| 12:48.22 | liable | Quintin: warning, he will ry and make you use gnustep! |
| 12:48.37 | tarzeau | liable: that's not true, the customer decides what he wants |
| 12:48.38 | Quintin | tarzeau, well, just for fun, ten users |
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| 12:49.00 | Quintin | chili box? |
| 12:49.13 | liable | tarzeau: sure, thats what they all say at the start :P |
| 12:49.20 | lindenl1 | Im using lenny usb netinst iso how do i launch expert mode? Is there a boot param,eter or something for the kernel? |
| 12:49.22 | tarzeau | i don't think for ten users, my travel costs to wherever you are are small enough for you to pay |
| 12:49.35 | tarzeau | liable: it'll just be more expensive with gnome/kde |
| 12:49.36 | Quintin | you fly in a luggage carrier real chepa. |
| 12:49.45 | tarzeau | liable: the support, the resource waste... |
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| 12:49.51 | tarzeau | Quintin: no thanks |
| 12:50.05 | Quintin | ok chili box isn't it.. dammit what is it called |
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| 12:52.04 | tenzind | hi, any application with which i can scan wireless networks... other than wifi-radar? |
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| 12:53.55 | Quintin | tenzind, iwlist ? |
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| 12:54.41 | XtypeWriter74 | hi. i've installed the Linux driver for my Fritz! USB Wlan stick from the AVM homepage http://www.avm.de/de/frame/frame.php?destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwebgw.avm.de%2Fdownload%2FDownload.jsp%3Flang%3Dde%26os%3Dlinux%26product%3DFRITZ%21WLAN+USB+Stick%26category%3Dfritzbox.... i work ok, but when i reboot, a message appears : Kernel panic... and i have to hit the Power switch to shut down..any ideas... could it be the wrong kernel version th |
| 12:54.41 | XtypeWriter74 | at i have, if so, what do i have to do? |
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| 12:55.51 | Quintin | found it ! |
| 12:55.58 | Quintin | http://www.fileengine.com/ |
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| 12:56.02 | Quintin | thank goodness I save all my email |
| 12:56.45 | Quintin | tarzeau, Seriously, what would you do to build a network for ten users? that need to do office stuff, and occasional a/v |
| 12:56.46 | tenzind | Quintin, thanks |
| 12:57.08 | tarzeau | Quintin: automatic workstation installations, and the servers that are needed (probably dns, mail, web+wiki, nis, nfs) |
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| 12:57.35 | Quintin | tarzeau, not thin clients? what OS? etch? what wiki ? |
| 12:57.51 | tarzeau | Quintin: yes debian stable. well the clients can be thin or not, it doesn't matter that much |
| 12:58.02 | tarzeau | Quintin: i prefer moin a lot, but any would do (the one used at wiki.d.o) |
| 12:58.25 | tarzeau | Quintin: what software do the users need, what software would they like, and what software do you not want to give them? |
| 12:58.45 | Quintin | web browsing, office stuff, art stuff |
| 12:59.18 | tarzeau | Quintin: for the workstations to be installed that requires debian package names to be worked out, then having them installed and maintained (security updates) |
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| 12:59.30 | tarzeau | Quintin: for the art stuff i'm not sure, probably stuff like the gimp? |
| 12:59.44 | lindenl1 | how do i skip the clock-setup step in the netinst iso? |
| 12:59.57 | palestinian | ŨŨŨŨŠ ŨŨĶŨŨŨ ŨŨŠ |
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| 13:01.13 | abrotman | hi Daveman and liable |
| 13:01.38 | Quintin | tarzeau, yea.. or what is the thingie.. scribus |
| 13:01.45 | poncha | palestinian: wtf... speak english or get the hell out. |
| 13:01.55 | diafic_ | so yeah, when I push the vol up button and vol down buttons on my keyboard, gnome shows a little window with the volume on the desktop. Very nice. Only one problem - its toggling a slider that doesn't actually do anything on my system. Halp? |
| 13:02.02 | Quintin | tarzeau, what do you charge? |
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| 13:02.04 | antgel | palestinian: english please |
| 13:02.05 | kanaldrache | Moin! |
| 13:02.10 | abrotman | diafic_: does the slider ever work ? |
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| 13:02.19 | palestinian | i was trying if the hebrew in irc is ok |
| 13:02.20 | abrotman | kanaldrache: try #moin |
| 13:02.21 | kanaldrache | Any idea why make-kpkg doesn't add module-init-tools to the dependencies? |
| 13:02.26 | abrotman | palestinian: not in this channel |
| 13:02.31 | poncha | palestinian: with THAT phrase?? |
| 13:02.34 | diafic_ | abrotman, nope. |
| 13:02.34 | tarzeau | Quintin: let me look that up at www.debian.org/consultants |
| 13:02.44 | diafic_ | I need to use PCM2 to get it to actually change the volume |
| 13:02.47 | Quintin | tarzeau, more important, how do I get on that list |
| 13:02.50 | palestinian | poncha, "hello" |
| 13:02.51 | diafic_ | I manged to get the slider in the taskbar to work |
| 13:02.57 | poncha | palestinian: that is not hello |
| 13:02.59 | antgel | FYI, what palestinian said was "death to zionism" in hebrew, even though it came out LTR rather than RTL as it should |
| 13:03.07 | poncha | palestinian: i speak hebrew |
| 13:03.15 | kanaldrache | I just calles a normal make-kpkg --initrd ... and the kernel-package has just dependencies for initrd-tools (>= 0.1.48), coreutils | fileutils (>= 4.0) |
| 13:03.16 | tarzeau | Quintin: http://www.debian.org/consultants/info |
| 13:03.16 | palestinian | well... |
| 13:03.19 | palestinian | good for u |
| 13:03.33 | diafic_ | ooh, fixed it myself |
| 13:03.33 | diafic_ | yay |
| 13:03.38 | abrotman | palestinian: do you have a debian question? |
| 13:03.44 | diafic_ | little box in the sound preferences |
| 13:03.46 | tarzeau | Quintin: i charge the usual 130 CHF/hour, excluding travel/hosting costs |
| 13:03.48 | palestinian | abrotman, no |
| 13:03.54 | antgel | i wonder if it was only a matter of time before someone with a politically-charged nick would go there |
| 13:03.54 | abrotman | then keep quiet |
| 13:03.57 | jul | Hi, I tried to install debian by debootstrap script, but I am not able to boot it ending with message Waiting for root filesystem. The problem sems to be in wrong root specification or initramfs, nut I am notg able to repair it. Could anyone help? |
| 13:03.59 | tarzeau | Quintin: special deals can be worked out, i'm flexible i'd say |
| 13:04.13 | kanaldrache | Naturally it won't boot... i expect most ppl won't wonder about that because they have module-init-tools installed ... bu i build the kernel for another machine |
| 13:04.24 | Quintin | tarzeau, around 100 usd.. hm |
| 13:04.33 | Quintin | I"m thinking about doubling my hourly rate .. |
| 13:04.36 | kanaldrache | And as it is installed with that kernel it hasn't module-init-tools installed |
| 13:04.50 | antgel | poncha: can i /msg? |
| 13:04.52 | tarzeau | Quintin: for fixated timeframes/projects, and daily work, special discount can be made |
| 13:04.54 | poncha | antgel: yes |
| 13:05.03 | abrotman | kanaldrache: it's probably a recommends |
| 13:05.08 | abrotman | or suggests |
| 13:05.11 | kanaldrache | Is there a special reason for make-kpkg to do that or is that just a bug that nobody noticed? |
| 13:05.20 | tarzeau | Quintin: this is not an usual emplyer/empleyoo price. this is when you work freelance |
| 13:05.33 | kanaldrache | abrotman: Hehe, it won't even boot without module-init-tools ... :) |
| 13:05.38 | kanaldrache | abrotman: But let me take a look |
| 13:05.42 | abrotman | or .. uh no |
| 13:05.49 | tarzeau | Quintin: my usual income is much smaller too. and if i'm doing something completely of curiosity i don't want a penny |
| 13:06.02 | Quintin | tarzeau, well, I charge 30/hr now.. but I think that is too cheap |
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| 13:06.16 | abrotman | depends on the work |
| 13:06.19 | tarzeau | Quintin: depends on where you work and how good you are (what the customers say) |
| 13:06.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: and of course the work :) |
| 13:06.34 | Quintin | tarzeau, customers love me <3 |
| 13:06.37 | kanaldrache | abrotman: Nope |
| 13:06.45 | abrotman | kanaldrache: that is a bit odd .. hrm .. |
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| 13:07.00 | jeffwheeler | I've been running Sid, and had noticed that I hadn't been getting updates for a while, and today I got 237 -- was it probably that some package that all those depended on (directly or indirectly) was finally upgraded? |
| 13:07.04 | tarzeau | Quintin: hey wait! what are your customers names? linda, deborah, angel and the like? |
| 13:07.06 | abrotman | kanaldrache: i'm sure there's a decent reason |
| 13:07.14 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: or your mirror was out of sync |
| 13:07.15 | Quintin | tarzeau, nah ;) |
| 13:07.21 | jul | noone? |
| 13:07.48 | tarzeau | Quintin: are you in the us? |
| 13:08.29 | Quintin | tarzeau, yea |
| 13:08.40 | kanaldrache | abrotman: I would expect it too ... but i just can't think of any... :) |
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| 13:09.26 | tarzeau | Quintin: got a webpage? example customers? |
| 13:09.54 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/33904 :-/ |
| 13:10.07 | Quintin | tarzeau, yea. not much on it but phone # and email. customers are some home users and some local businesses |
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| 13:10.18 | Quintin | and a nonprofit |
| 13:10.21 | tarzeau | Quintin: can i see? |
| 13:10.32 | tarzeau | Quintin: here's one of mine: http://www.severreisen.ch/ |
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| 13:11.02 | Quintin | tarzeau, soon.. I just moved to a new place and I'm waiting for internet |
| 13:11.12 | antgel | palestinian: i don't think #debian is the place for political views, you may wish to try #politics |
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| 13:11.25 | tarzeau | hey antgel! |
| 13:11.31 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: i personally wouldn't use ftp.debian.org .. i'd use a mirror . like there's stmarytx.edu which should be near you |
| 13:11.34 | palestinian | antgel, its ok, i understood before |
| 13:11.41 | Pask | i've a problem with debian.. when I go to screens of login and I insert name and password the system it brings again me to screens of login |
| 13:11.51 | antgel | tarzeau: hello tarzeau! how you doing? |
| 13:11.54 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: alright; fair enough, thanks |
| 13:12.03 | tarzeau | antgel: good thank you. i hope you do as well |
| 13:12.17 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: you're not the only one to have problems recently with ftp.debian.org .. it's a multihost name .. i think one of them was out of sync |
| 13:12.31 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: ah, that makes sense |
| 13:12.36 | liable | !seen paulswm |
| 13:12.36 | dpkg | paulswm <i=paul@22.245.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 4d 15h 16m 10s ago, saying: 'damog: I just popped in to ask what would have been a stunningly stupid question, but I saved myself by switching on my speakers ("my sound has stopped working!") :)'. |
| 13:12.44 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: by the way, how did you know my location? |
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| 13:13.04 | liable | 4 days ago? |
| 13:13.13 | antgel | tarzeau: yeah, not bad. only really irc'ing when i need help, these days. rsi dictates so |
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| 13:13.40 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: when you join .. we can all see it .. /whois jeffwheeler to see for yourself |
| 13:13.49 | Pask | hi @ all... i've a problem with debian.. when I go to screens of login and I insert name and password the system it brings again me to screens of login |
| 13:14.00 | abrotman | look in your .xsession-errors |
| 13:14.02 | IlTorto | hi all! |
| 13:14.11 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: ah, I figured it was something about my IP ;) |
| 13:14.15 | Pask | abrotman how i can look it? |
| 13:14.18 | abrotman | cat ? |
| 13:14.19 | abrotman | vi ? |
| 13:14.55 | Pask | abortman ?? |
| 13:15.05 | antgel | oh no, he called you abortman |
| 13:16.18 | liable | abrotman: does paulswm live in the other debian? |
| 13:16.46 | liable | # |
| 13:16.46 | Pask | hi @ all... i've a problem with debian.. when I go to screens of login and I insert name and password the system it brings again me to screens of login |
| 13:17.01 | Quintin | Starting Squid HTTP proxy: squid2007/08/02 09:15:34| ACL name 'ncsa_users' not defined! |
| 13:17.15 | Quintin | how do I say that ncsa_users is users authenticated by ncsa authentication scheme? |
| 13:17.30 | liable | Pask: i think you have a repeating problem |
| 13:17.38 | tarzeau | Quintin: man it's half a decade or more since i used that last time |
| 13:17.50 | nayana | Every boot up my system stops at a shell prompt |
| 13:17.53 | nayana | sh-3.1# |
| 13:18.15 | nayana | then I need to do /etc/init.d/gdm restart to enter into login screen |
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| 13:19.10 | liable | nayana: is gdm in /etc/rc2.d/ ? |
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| 13:20.18 | IlTorto | is it possible delete some softwares like ekiga softphone without remove all gnome-desktop-manager? |
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| 13:20.41 | abrotman | liable: no |
| 13:20.49 | abrotman | liable: he's a busy guy with odd hours |
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| 13:21.07 | liable | abrotman: ok |
| 13:21.19 | abrotman | liable: IIRC .. he lives in my area and supports technology in your area |
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| 13:22.20 | jeffwheeler | IlTorto: as far as I know, it's pretty safe to remove gnome-desktop-manager, because you'll still have the core gnome packages installed |
| 13:22.25 | liable | abrotman: for some strange reason i just thought of him, and the !seen factoid said he was active 4 days ago, but i wouldnt be surprised if it was from last year |
| 13:22.38 | Knight_Lord | Is it possible to make a DHCP lease expire from the server side? |
| 13:22.44 | Knight_Lord | After is has been given |
| 13:22.58 | Knight_Lord | I want to renew the IP of a machine which i cant control directly |
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| 13:23.20 | IlTorto | jeffwheeler: are you sure? so if i remove gnome-desktop-manager and reboot, i will have gdm and gnome again?? |
| 13:23.35 | dezent | Knight_Lord: you could do that in dhcpd.conf |
| 13:23.41 | jeffwheeler | IlTorto: abrotman should verify, but I believe so |
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| 13:24.13 | Knight_Lord | dezent the problem is that the machine already has an IP |
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| 13:24.18 | Knight_Lord | dezent but I want it to get a new one |
| 13:24.48 | dezent | Knight_Lord: configure it for a static ip.. wait for it to ask for a new lease |
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| 13:25.02 | dezent | Knight_Lord: theres examples in the configfile |
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| 13:25.31 | liable | haha |
| 13:25.32 | Knight_Lord | dezent I want the client to ask a new IP now. How can I do that without touching the client? The client is a UPS thats the problem |
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| 13:25.50 | dezent | Knight_Lord: i have no idea |
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| 13:26.13 | dezent | Knight_Lord: unplugg the networkcable maybe ? |
| 13:26.14 | Quintin | How do I get the default configuration file for squid? |
| 13:26.33 | Knight_Lord | dezent I could try but that requires a lot of effort |
| 13:26.46 | IlTorto | jeffwheeler: thank you ^_* now i can remove gnome-desktop-manager qithout dangers. But later will i have to change any config?? |
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| 13:27.14 | wathek | hello all |
| 13:27.33 | jeffwheeler | IlTorto: hmmm? |
| 13:27.44 | wathek | I'm trying to compile some sources but I get this error configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 13:27.48 | wathek | any help please ? |
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| 13:28.06 | SomeoneSpecial | I setup debian etch on a server here where I work. One of the programmers doesn't like to use VIM, but rather VI. She's one of those people that always gets her way. Is there a way I can get basic VI onto the server? |
| 13:28.08 | IlTorto | jeffwheeler: nothing :D |
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| 13:28.56 | sebdah | Hi! I've got a little problem with a page using cURL. I get error message 7 "Couldn't connect to host" on a webpage. When trying "curl https://test.payex.com:443/pxclient/pxclient.asmx" on the same machine I can connect to the page. Does anyone have a suggestion on what to do? |
| 13:29.11 | hark | !b-e wathek |
| 13:29.12 | dpkg | wathek: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 13:29.20 | wathek | ah yes thanx a lot |
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| 13:30.18 | hark | SomeoneSpecial: nvi |
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| 13:30.53 | SomeoneSpecial | hark: Thanks a lot, I'll give it a try. |
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| 13:31.49 | hark | you could alias it to vi or use update-alternatives for it |
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| 13:32.21 | XtypeWriter74 | hi i am back, that sucked |
| 13:32.30 | XtypeWriter74 | took ages to get back in |
| 13:32.50 | XtypeWriter74 | !paste |
| 13:32.50 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 13:34.44 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 13:34.44 | dpkg | somebody said qotd74 was < DrBlink> wow i didnt kno linux had an interface |
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| 13:35.06 | dkg | I imagine there are good reasons for people preferring vi over vim. Would someone care to tell me them? |
| 13:36.25 | Quintin | Metacity is all fucked up. help plz |
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| 13:36.37 | Quintin | it won't focus new windows properly, I think it's focus stealing issue |
| 13:38.23 | fluxdude | I have a linux firewall on the other side of a nat router and I need it's vpns to come up, so I've forwarded udp port 500 to allow this but only 2/3 of the vpns are up and those 2 are not passing packets! All 3 vpns were working before I switched lines and had the firewall behind this new nat box. any ideas? |
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| 13:45.15 | antgel | fluxdude: are you sure ipsec works behind nat? |
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| 13:51.20 | lindenl1 | So can anyone help me geth the d-i to skip the clock setup? |
| 13:51.42 | xand | lindenl1: did you try expert mode? |
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| 13:52.17 | xand | I didn't know the installer used NTP |
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| 13:52.32 | lindenl1 | xand: I appended expert to the boot string for the netinst and got the same interface |
| 13:53.46 | hark | hit escape and skip it if you can |
| 13:54.00 | lindenl1 | hark: escape does nothing |
| 13:54.54 | lindenl1 | im going to try stable installer instead of lenny |
| 13:55.39 | capiira | hmm hi all does the testing dvds ( http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/ ) include non-free? |
| 13:55.49 | hark | no |
| 13:55.53 | SomeoneSpecial | Thanks a lot hark. She's not complaining anymore.... |
| 13:56.05 | hark | heh ;) |
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| 14:00.34 | wykis | Hello, how can I enable automount in Xfce, when a USB Flash drive is inserted? I have installed thunar volume plugin and hal. What else should be done? Thanks |
| 14:00.44 | Knight_Lord | Whats a good email client with spam filter? |
| 14:01.04 | wykis | Knight_Lord: www.opera.com (not open source though) |
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| 14:01.43 | snowbird | whats a good printer? |
| 14:02.00 | Knight_Lord | wykis thats what i use now, and I have a problem with it because i cant set it to delete mails from the mailbox 1 week after i download them |
| 14:02.16 | Knight_Lord | wykis besides the spam filter is not so good. For example apples is better |
| 14:02.47 | Knight_Lord | wykis do you have any other suggestion? |
| 14:02.55 | dezent | thunderbird ? |
| 14:03.03 | wykis | Knight_Lord: then no ;-) |
| 14:03.10 | wykis | thunderbird is mozilla's email client |
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| 14:03.12 | Knight_Lord | dezent does it have a spam filter? |
| 14:03.29 | dezent | Knight_Lord: yes |
| 14:03.39 | Knight_Lord | dezent is it any good? |
| 14:03.44 | dezent | Knight_Lord: yes |
| 14:03.53 | Hoxzer | any problems with etch apache2 package ? |
| 14:04.05 | Knight_Lord | Is it possible to import mailboxes from opera to thunderbird? |
| 14:04.07 | Hoxzer | My apache has started to think that all ports are in use :D |
| 14:04.18 | hark | wykis: are you in the plugdev group? |
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| 14:04.29 | wykis | yes hark |
| 14:04.31 | dezent | Knight_Lord: you should try.. or maible google |
| 14:04.33 | Knight_Lord | dezent can it handle a mailbox with 40k mails over NFS? |
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| 14:04.48 | fluxdude | antgel: I've got ipsec working! problem is no traffic is passing :( |
| 14:04.49 | dezent | Knight_Lord: i never tried it.. i use imap |
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| 14:05.10 | fluxdude | must be a routing thing, but it should send it through the tunnels the same as it used to before... |
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| 14:06.05 | devicenull | Is there any reason why I need a ident server running? |
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| 14:07.14 | wykis | hark: well? |
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| 14:10.03 | Knight_Lord | devicenull not much |
| 14:10.30 | Knight_Lord | some IRC servers migth be a bit pissed off without it |
| 14:12.07 | devicenull | k |
| 14:12.11 | hark | well, hal, dbus, thunar-volman and plugdev.. what else are we missing? |
| 14:12.49 | Knight_Lord | icedove is thunderbird? |
| 14:13.17 | hark | !icelizard |
| 14:13.17 | dpkg | Icelizard is the collection of applications that replace popular Mozilla applications, currently listed as IceWeasel(Firefox), IceDove(Thunderbird), IceApe(SeaMonkey). |
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| 14:15.07 | Knight_Lord | anyone prefers evolution over thunderbird? |
| 14:15.59 | Ronin | use them both, dont think i prefer one over the other though |
| 14:16.09 | fireba11 | Knight_Lord: i probably would if there was evolution for non-kde non-linux platforms as well ... |
| 14:16.27 | Knight_Lord | fireba11 non-kde? |
| 14:16.59 | Ronin | isnt it more gnome based? |
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| 14:17.21 | fireba11 | whops ... yep .-) |
| 14:17.42 | Ronin | sylpheed-claws was always one of my favorites as well |
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| 14:18.19 | Knight_Lord | Ronin mine also actually, when i had a Celeron |
| 14:18.44 | Knight_Lord | What about Kmail? |
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| 14:25.28 | logd | hi there's a reason for this: i add CONFIG_NF_NAT=m in .config then call make modules: .config is reverted to old version (the string CONFIG_NF_NAT is no more inside) ? |
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| 14:28.15 | orkam_wrk | Ciao |
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| 14:31.00 | h3sp4wn | logd: probably you missed one of its dependancies - just use menuconfig |
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| 14:31.11 | h3sp4wn | logd: and see the second line in .config |
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| 14:31.21 | jamesbrink_ | when you setup zfs where is the configuration information stored? is it stored on the drives running zfs? |
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| 14:35.26 | jean_ | I know that this is a pci card in pcix slot |
| 14:36.40 | logd | <h3sp4wn>just a question what to enable in menuconfig to make FULL NAT available ? |
| 14:37.39 | h3sp4wn | logd: NET && INET && NETFILTER && IP_NF_IPTABLES && NF_CONNTRACK_IPV4 |
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| 14:42.22 | viller | how can I change gtk font sizes without GNOME? |
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| 14:45.32 | viller | how can I change gtk font sizes without GNOME? |
| 14:45.45 | viller | how can I change gtk font sizes without GNOME? |
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| 14:46.23 | cyzie | hello, i have a windows pc that vnc into a linux devlopment box. i wish to run gvim, but what app can i use so that gvim will show in my windows box? |
| 14:46.27 | abrotman | and that's how you don't get answers :) |
| 14:46.32 | Ronin | indeed |
| 14:46.40 | abrotman | cyzie: remote X |
| 14:46.49 | abrotman | cyzie: or install win32 gvim |
| 14:47.05 | Knight_Lord | How can I find the group of the device eth0? |
| 14:47.19 | Knight_Lord | I was trying to ls -la /dev/eth0 but it seems such thing doesnt exist |
| 14:47.22 | cyzie | abrotman, no gvim specific, i need to launch other app as well, such as eclipse and so on |
| 14:47.26 | abrotman | remote X |
| 14:47.37 | abrotman | Knight_Lord: they odn't |
| 14:48.03 | Knight_Lord | abrotman so how do I get the permissions on it? |
| 14:48.15 | cyzie | abrotman, remote X url ? |
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| 14:49.00 | abrotman | !remote X |
| 14:49.01 | dpkg | [remote x] on the X server do, "xhost +<IP or Hostname of machine running the clients>", on the remote machine do "export DISPLAY=<Host|IP of server>:0.0" where 0.0 is the display.screen. Run the app. Ask me about sshx for more security and ease. |
| 14:49.04 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 14:49.11 | abrotman | cyzie: you'll have to find a win32 X server |
| 14:49.36 | Ronin | cyzie: xming is what i use here at work on the windows machine |
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| 14:49.50 | cyzie | Ronin, url ? |
| 14:49.58 | Ronin | www.google.com ;) |
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| 14:50.11 | Ronin | http://sourceforge.net/projects/xming |
| 14:50.38 | Knight_Lord | cyzie why not running VNC? |
| 14:50.53 | cyzie | Knight_Lord, why vnc? |
| 14:51.12 | pb_werkin | i use X in cygwin, runs remote X clients just fine. |
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| 14:51.55 | Knight_Lord | cyzie because it runs everywhere much easier and is faster |
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| 14:52.43 | abrotman | Knight_Lord: he wants to run the gvim from the server on his desktop |
| 14:53.25 | cyzie | yes, that's right abrotman |
| 14:53.34 | sebdah | I get "Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect()" after installing Apache2, PHP4 and MySQL 4.1. Even though I have installed the package "php4-mysql". I can't see anything in the logs. What might be wrong? |
| 14:53.45 | Knight_Lord | cyzie so vnc will do fine |
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| 14:55.14 | cyzie | Knight_Lord, that is *not* what im trying to do |
| 14:55.20 | cyzie | read abrotman statement |
| 14:55.32 | Knight_Lord | cyzie you can run gvim inside of vnc |
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| 14:55.46 | pb_werkin | sebdah: verify the appropriate php.ini (probably /etc/php4/apache/php.ini) -- it *should* be enabled by default in php4, but that would be the first thing to check. |
| 14:55.47 | Knight_Lord | cyzie what's the problem? |
| 14:56.34 | viller | where the f**k does debian install gtk2 engines |
| 14:57.08 | sebdah | pb_werkin: yeah, I seems to be on |
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| 14:59.08 | sebdah | pb_werkin: disabled functions is also empty |
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| 14:59.17 | pb_werkin | viller: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=gtk2-engines&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 14:59.19 | DrAk0 | cyzie, http://www.petersblog.org/node/466 |
| 14:59.41 | DrAk0 | gvim scp://servername//path/to/file |
| 14:59.52 | pb_werkin | sebdah: hm, one sec. |
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| 15:01.30 | pb_werkin | sebdah: oh, did you restart apache after you installed? |
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| 15:02.04 | sebdah | pb_werkin: serval times =) |
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| 15:02.32 | capiira | hmm what dvd do i need to have a basic system with no extras and gnome installed? |
| 15:02.40 | pb_werkin | check and make sure "extension=mysql.so" is somewhere in the php.ini and uncommented, probably near or at the bottom. |
| 15:02.42 | capiira | im on wlan and cant use the netinstall |
| 15:02.46 | sutha | i am trying to use the find to list a filename.ext in a partition, i have dictory structure like this /maindir/sub1/sub2/sub3 when i do find /maindir/sub1/sub2/sub4 i get a list of filename.txt .. but when i do find /maindir/sub1/ i don't get the list .. does anybody know why .. |
| 15:02.47 | XtypeWriter74 | hi. is it safe to install j2re1.4_1.4.2.03-1_i386.deb to etch stable ? |
| 15:03.00 | XtypeWriter74 | got it from blackdown.org |
| 15:03.14 | mrsno | XtypeWriter74 i would maybe check out backports to see if there is a deb there |
| 15:03.18 | mrsno | !backports |
| 15:03.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 15:03.45 | sebdah | pb_werkin: that did the trick! I added that line, and now it works! |
| 15:03.49 | sebdah | pb_werkin: thank you very much |
| 15:03.55 | mrsno | XtypeWriter74 sun-java5-jre is in etch already, why do you want 1.4 ? |
| 15:04.08 | LinuxBlues | viller: http://rafb.net/p/qPRk9S82.html |
| 15:04.14 | pb_werkin | strange that the package didn't do that itself on install. |
| 15:04.16 | viller | pb_werkin: thanks |
| 15:04.20 | mrsno | backports will have a newer version most likely, not an older version :-) |
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| 15:04.43 | XtypeWriter74 | i cannot find sun-java5-jre |
| 15:04.48 | XtypeWriter74 | in apt-cache search |
| 15:04.51 | nitiniu | hey people. i just bought a very cheap and mysterious usb ir receiver and remote control called Clas Ohlsson PCFREE. it says on the package that it needs no drivers and plugging it into a windows xp computer will directly link it with winamp and wmp. i just plugged it into my computer (lenny), i have not installed lirc, and the device seems to have been recognized, because the Down button activates the right click menu in kde. any ideas |
| 15:04.51 | nitiniu | for how i can find a way to configure it to work with kde apps? |
| 15:04.59 | stew | XtypeWriter74: its in non-free: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 15:05.11 | XtypeWriter74 | dont want non free |
| 15:05.14 | sebdah | pb_werkin: yeah really. Everything is installed via apt-get |
| 15:06.01 | mrsno | XtypeWriter74 you need to use non-free then really, but why don't you want to use it? |
| 15:07.12 | XtypeWriter74 | whats it mean non free not free ? |
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| 15:07.40 | stew | XtypeWriter74: the software in non-free doesn't meed the dfsg: /msg dpkg dfsg |
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| 15:08.59 | XtypeWriter74 | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. |
| 15:09.00 | XtypeWriter74 | ?? |
| 15:09.23 | antgel | bwhahahaha |
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| 15:09.53 | antgel | well, i suppose, literally i'd rather not use it |
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| 15:11.05 | NicNac | anyone know much about linux support for motherboards? |
| 15:11.21 | zamuro | !anyone |
| 15:11.21 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 15:11.22 | antgel | NicNac: some people might |
| 15:11.41 | Ronin | and may not |
| 15:11.49 | antgel | who can say? |
| 15:12.04 | stew | NicNac: what specifically are you trying to find out? |
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| 15:12.14 | stoned | good morning |
| 15:12.23 | NicNac | well just if the mobo Im looking at will be ok with linux |
| 15:12.43 | stoned | stew: i got stuck on the LIE for 45 minutes, going from exit 29 to 23 |
| 15:12.50 | NicNac | The board im looking at is Asus A8V-VM AMD Skt939 VIA K8M890 |
| 15:12.50 | stoned | i have never seen this much traffic in my life |
| 15:12.56 | stoned | wow |
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| 15:13.16 | stew | stoned: do you actually have to drive to work in the morning? |
| 15:13.41 | antgel | NicNac: if some unscientific anecdotal evidence helps, i don't remember the last time a standard pc mobo didn't work for me |
| 15:13.50 | antgel | unless you care about hardware 3d accel |
| 15:13.50 | stoned | stew: yes |
| 15:13.58 | mrsno | NicNac apart from the onboard audio, it should work fine without fiddling |
| 15:14.02 | stew | stoned: that is insane, is there no train you could be taking? |
| 15:14.15 | NicNac | will the audio just not work? |
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| 15:14.43 | mrsno | it will just work, some peoples reported problems months ago (don't know current status) but if you google said motherboard + debian, you will see :) |
| 15:14.46 | stoned | stew: nope, only buses here |
| 15:14.57 | NicNac | thanks mrsno :) |
| 15:15.01 | stoned | stew: and well I could take the bus, but that takes about the same amount of time |
| 15:15.01 | mrsno | yw |
| 15:15.10 | stoned | stew: usually its only like 15 minutes |
| 15:15.11 | Ronin | stoned: cheaper though |
| 15:15.14 | stoned | but today was insane |
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| 15:17.50 | jean_ | does anyone know of a cheap PCI-X sound card or any alternative. I have the need for sound but the motherboard does not take regular PCI cards |
| 15:19.00 | stew | jean_: you can always get a usb sound card |
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| 15:19.12 | stew | stoned: you should move closer to a train |
| 15:19.53 | jean_ | stew: I think that is the cheapest, but I heard that it would slow down the system considerably. |
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| 15:20.02 | Arme[N] | Hi, In Debian etch some app like iceweasel terminatid with segmentation fault or sometimes X restarted or freezed at all, My graphic card is Nvidia Vanta tested with nv and vesa driver, I replaced that with Nvidia GeForce 6200 and tested nv, nvidia and vesa driver in all of those the problem is same. I have two 512 RAM modules I tested those tested with memtest86+ and no problem. is there anything else I could test? |
| 15:20.24 | stoned | stew: hehe |
| 15:20.32 | stoned | stew: i'll be in the city hopefully soon |
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| 15:21.22 | jean_ | Arme[N]: why not test the nvidia driver |
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| 15:22.57 | Arme[N] | jean_: youknow I tested nv, nvidia and vesa all of those had same problem |
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| 15:23.26 | NicNac | hmm |
| 15:24.02 | jean_ | Arme[N]: Sorry did not notice you wrote nvidia |
| 15:24.04 | Knight_Lord | thunderbird doesn't import .mbs mail folders?!? |
| 15:24.31 | NicNac | is nforce3 any good with linux |
| 15:24.49 | themill | Knight_Lord: wtf is mbs? |
| 15:24.55 | Arme[N] | jean_: np mate |
| 15:24.56 | h3sp4wn | NicNac: Yeah it is pretty well supported now |
| 15:25.02 | NicNac | cool |
| 15:25.37 | h3sp4wn | NicNac: (so is nforce 4) nforce 5 is fine except the NCQ support is not merged yet |
| 15:26.16 | Knight_Lord | themill mbox files |
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| 15:27.46 | antgel | Arme[N]: maybe try with apic and local apic disabled |
| 15:27.51 | NicNac | I think im going to go for some of thos then |
| 15:28.23 | themill | Knight_Lord: mbox import is supported by t'bird. In fact, it uses mbox format itself. |
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| 15:28.49 | themill | Knight_Lord: i've never heard them called mbs before though |
| 15:28.50 | Knight_Lord | themill i know it uses but how do i import it? |
| 15:28.52 | fluxdude | how can vpns between my linux firewall and my junipers be up and no traffic/pings pass across to the other subnet? The private subnets are different and the routes are set for the tunnels... Any ideas? |
| 15:29.11 | jean__ | Arme[N]: you still here, same thing just happened to me |
| 15:29.55 | themill | Knight_Lord: I would have expected tools->import would work. but if you just copy the mbox file into the right place and then start t'bird that works too |
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| 15:30.03 | antgel | fluxdude: you using openswan? |
| 15:30.18 | jlc | Kernel Makefile not found at '/lib/modules/2.6.21-2-amd64/source/ <--- what package would provide that |
| 15:30.34 | jlc | I have linux-headers'uname -r' installed |
| 15:30.34 | Knight_Lord | themill i guess i'm gonna use something else |
| 15:30.46 | Arme[N] | jean__: yes I am |
| 15:30.49 | antgel | jlc: what are you trying to do? |
| 15:30.50 | themill | Knight_Lord: ummm... why? |
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| 15:30.59 | Arme[N] | antgel: okey I'll try that, thanks |
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| 15:31.08 | jlc | install the mac80211 system to try the iwl driver |
| 15:31.11 | Knight_Lord | themill i will definitely not try to move files around to the "right" places and there is no import |
| 15:31.19 | jean__ | Arme[N]: what was that you want to try. Let me know |
| 15:31.36 | Arme[N] | jean__: < antgel> Arme[N]: maybe try with apic and local apic disabled |
| 15:31.56 | jean__ | Arme[N]: tried that already |
| 15:32.05 | fluxdude | antgel: yes in smoothwall firewall |
| 15:32.21 | antgel | fluxdude: ipsec /in/ smoothwall? |
| 15:32.23 | jlc | antgel: I cant get ipw3945 to work with amd64 on lenny |
| 15:32.26 | jean__ | but maybe it would work for you. I thought the nvidia driver took care of it |
| 15:32.29 | jlc | works fine on i386 port |
| 15:32.48 | jlc | so I figure I would try iwl |
| 15:32.52 | Arme[N] | jean__: you know I don't know what is apic, so I have to search first....did I? |
| 15:32.54 | themill | Knight_Lord: it's not one of the hardest things you'll ever have to do. ~/.thunderbird/xxxxxxxx.default/Mail/Local Folders/ (and btw I found that for you on google....) |
| 15:32.55 | antgel | jlc: could be a bug if you're sure you know what you're doing |
| 15:33.04 | jlc | I'm sure :) |
| 15:33.10 | xand | https://corner.kent.ac.uk/quickform/query.php |
| 15:33.11 | xand | ooprs |
| 15:33.12 | xand | -r |
| 15:33.18 | jlc | I can get it to work on i386 so kind of weird |
| 15:33.34 | twiggz | i am finding etch very impressive so far. |
| 15:33.37 | antgel | jlc: amd64 has an irc channel, no? |
| 15:33.41 | jlc | and i've installed both about 10x each now testing different things out and every time i've go it to work on i386 |
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| 15:33.48 | jean__ | Arme[N]: I installed the system with noapic and nolapic but that did not help. What would you be doing when the screen lokcs |
| 15:34.00 | Knight_Lord | themill ok thanks |
| 15:34.01 | jlc | i dunno, I just started using debian again after a few years of fedora and solaris |
| 15:34.14 | antgel | !tell jlc about amd64 |
| 15:34.27 | jlc | lenny(i386) is the only thing that has worked on my new laptop |
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| 15:34.53 | twiggz | im a slackware/zenwalk man usually.......but this laptop doesnt like them.....runs etch just fine. |
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| 15:34.59 | Arme[N] | jean__: ow acpi, I boot my kernel with acpi=noirq, just because of my sound card |
| 15:35.03 | jlc | antgel: cheers, I'll check it out |
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| 15:35.45 | jean__ | apic |
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| 15:35.50 | jean__ | apic |
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| 15:36.13 | Arme[N] | oh yeah you right, sorry |
| 15:36.50 | jean__ | Arme[N]: IU cannot seem to find a pattern when this happens. Can you |
| 15:37.08 | jlc | antgel: regardless of port being used, do you know what source package this is looking for? |
| 15:37.11 | jlc | '/lib/modules/2.6.21-2-amd64/source/' |
| 15:37.18 | jlc | what provides that anyways |
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| 15:37.33 | jlc | is there a dpkg/apt command that will show what provides a dir |
| 15:37.44 | themill | !tell jlc about search |
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| 15:37.53 | h3sp4wn | jlc: dpkg -S (presuming its installed) or use dlocate -S (faster) |
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| 15:38.26 | Arme[N-1] | jean__: sorry my english is poor, I didn't understand |
| 15:38.30 | Spida | hi |
| 15:38.39 | jlc | its not installed, that is the deal |
| 15:38.44 | jlc | all try apt-file |
| 15:38.53 | jlc | s/all/i'll |
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| 15:39.18 | Spida | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg250808.html <- how can I solve this problem on etch? |
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| 15:40.53 | themill | Spida: did you check your fonts.conf as described in the reply? |
| 15:41.19 | Spida | my fonts.conf has the exact two cachedir lines as described |
| 15:41.36 | themill | :( |
| 15:41.58 | sarefo | hi, i'm trying to connect a SATA hard disc to my running machine, and it's not recognized. sata supports hot plugging, but does debian, too? if so, the problem is probably the controller. |
| 15:42.15 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 15:42.19 | antgel | sarefo: you need to unload and reload the module |
| 15:42.26 | jetscreamer | i really really hope your hw supports it |
| 15:42.43 | Spida | sarefo: sata can support hotplugging, but does your controller support it? |
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| 15:42.57 | antgel | if it's the module that your / HD controller uses, tough luck |
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| 15:43.12 | sarefo | spida: i don't know yet. |
| 15:43.27 | jetscreamer | i suggest you find out before trying |
| 15:43.45 | sarefo | there are no data on the disk. or do you think there could be physical damage? |
| 15:44.05 | jetscreamer | i don't know but yes i think it could melt your box somehow... |
| 15:44.14 | jetscreamer | dont' know for a fact |
| 15:44.38 | jetscreamer | but that wjould be why they make hw that supports it |
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| 15:45.09 | jetscreamer | and iirc, you would know if it did |
| 15:45.14 | jetscreamer | it would cost |
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| 15:45.50 | jetscreamer | pardon my logic, i jsut woke up |
| 15:45.51 | kv0s | Hi! |
| 15:46.02 | sarefo | so, how do i reload a module? |
| 15:46.08 | sarefo | haven't done this for a long time. |
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| 15:46.19 | jetscreamer | modprobe -r removes it |
| 15:46.26 | kv0s | Does anyone use the package asterisk-bristuff? I'll install the asterisk-addons, but don't get compiled and installed it .. :-( |
| 15:46.34 | jetscreamer | i don't know if there's an actual 'reload' |
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| 15:46.53 | jetscreamer | i know nothing but did you ask in #asterisk? |
| 15:47.05 | jlc | rmmod <blah> ; modprobe <blah> |
| 15:47.14 | sarefo | thx |
| 15:47.28 | dragon | hehe to play a video file with a sep audio file i used vlc... i ran two diff vlc's and synced them up... i actually got them like right on |
| 15:47.38 | themill | sarefo, jlc: you're better off using modprobe -r rather than rmmod. |
| 15:48.01 | jetscreamer | dragon: you can mux them together with mencoder or something |
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| 15:49.22 | sarefo | cool, that worked :) 'modprobe -r sata_via;modprobe sata_via', and voila, two harddisks :) thx a lot guys |
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| 15:51.05 | jean_ | Army[N]: It locked up again, I had to reboot. I now have an ssh session into the machine and hope that I can find something when it freezes |
| 15:52.05 | jean_ | nvidia freezes linux |
| 15:52.15 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 15:52.30 | jean_ | sorry I am trying to google the problem |
| 15:52.31 | jetscreamer | jean_: try glxinfo and watch it bork? |
| 15:52.44 | jetscreamer | if it does, reinstall glx et al |
| 15:53.34 | jetscreamer | are you using the debian or nvidia version of nvidia |
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| 15:54.01 | jean_ | jetscreamer: I am using the nvidia copiled the debian way |
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| 15:54.11 | jetscreamer | which kernel |
| 15:54.38 | jean_ | Linux Orion 2.6.22-1-amd64 #1 SMP |
| 15:54.58 | jetscreamer | and did running glxinfo bork it, and 64bit kernel in 32bit userland is bad for nvidia |
| 15:55.09 | stoned | hi ho |
| 15:55.14 | jetscreamer | you might try #nvidia |
| 15:55.15 | stoned | the merry o |
| 15:55.35 | jean_ | jetscreamer: do not follow |
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| 15:56.14 | jetscreamer | well... if you run a 64bit kernel and 32bit os nvidia.run doesn't like it or something... i just read about it don't have a 64bit cpu |
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| 15:56.22 | jean_ | glxinfo gave all the info it did not crash or anything |
| 15:56.26 | jetscreamer | yay |
| 15:56.30 | h3sp4wn | It should be possible to build a 64 bit kernel module |
| 15:56.36 | h3sp4wn | and use the 32 bit nvidia-glx |
| 15:56.49 | h3sp4wn | (because you can use nvidia-glx under a 32bit chroot just fine) |
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| 15:57.16 | jean_ | I am sorry, I thought all these things are 64 bit. it is an AMD64 packages , no |
| 15:58.21 | h3sp4wn | the amd64 kernel is 64 bit |
| 15:58.33 | h3sp4wn | you need a 64 bit nvidia.ko |
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| 15:59.44 | SomeoneSpecial | Is the AMD64 kernel stable enough to be placed in a production environment? |
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| 16:00.23 | h3sp4wn | Its perfectly stable |
| 16:00.57 | Knight_Lord | How do I allow apt to overwrite a file used by another package? |
| 16:01.10 | jean_ | h3sp4wn: I followed the info from http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. I did not force the architecture so I think it is the 64 bit nvidia stuff no? |
| 16:01.13 | waqjan | Knight_Lord: which file is it? |
| 16:01.24 | Knight_Lord | waqjan /usr/lib/libpth.so.20.0.27 |
| 16:01.44 | Knight_Lord | waqjan it's in libpth2 and libpth20, an unfortunate clash |
| 16:02.10 | jean_ | SomeoneSpecial: I am running it on three screens two video cards the only thing that freezes is nvidia (I think ;)) |
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| 16:02.40 | waqjan | I've seen such a problem. what error does it give you? |
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| 16:02.53 | hackerarsch | hello folks |
| 16:02.58 | Knight_Lord | waqjan trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libpth.so.20.0.27', which is also in package libpth2 |
| 16:03.18 | waqjan | what package are you installing? |
| 16:03.25 | Knight_Lord | libpth20 |
| 16:03.37 | hackerarsch | if i install apache2 using "apt-get install apache2", does it automaticially use the right package for my os (debian 4.0)?? |
| 16:03.43 | Knight_Lord | insterestingly libpth2 doesn't show in packages.debian.org anymore for sid |
| 16:03.54 | jetscreamer | try removing it |
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| 16:04.14 | jetscreamer | hackerarsch: it should unless it's broken |
| 16:04.15 | waqjan | jetscreamer: good advice |
| 16:04.19 | Knight_Lord | jetscreamer and gnupg-agent cries, die! |
| 16:04.24 | hackerarsch | ok |
| 16:04.36 | h3sp4wn | jean_: I don't know - but the nvidia-kernel-source is different for amd64 |
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| 16:04.48 | hackerarsch | well now i installed apache2 but the file "apache2.conf" is missing |
| 16:04.50 | h3sp4wn | jean_: (i.e its not an arch all package) |
| 16:04.52 | hackerarsch | what should i do? |
| 16:04.54 | Knight_Lord | jetscreamer i can try to force the removal |
| 16:04.55 | jetscreamer | you can try reinstalling it after, or do w/o the new package, or dpkg --force-help and maybe break something |
| 16:05.17 | jetscreamer | !confmiss |
| 16:05.17 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 16:06.12 | jean_ | h3sp4wn: I am going to build it manually, will let you know what it is. |
| 16:06.38 | L0cKn | chi ha un sito hostato su aruba? |
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| 16:07.02 | h3sp4wn | jean_: If its not for a server why not just use either a 32bit kernel or just use the full amd64 port |
| 16:07.17 | Knight_Lord | jetscreamer i did a force-overwrite |
| 16:07.56 | jean_ | h3sp4wn: 8 GB ram |
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| 16:08.00 | jetscreamer | i have too, it usually works out but ymmv |
| 16:08.16 | atealtha | can anyone help me get started with importing camera raw in Etch? Googling only gave me a list of apps like dcraw and gtkam but it doesn't help much |
| 16:08.30 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 16:08.30 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:08.44 | Knight_Lord | jetscreamer after upgrading gnupg-agent by hand everything worked |
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| 16:09.02 | jetscreamer | L0cKn: spanish or portuguese |
| 16:09.04 | jetscreamer | or what |
| 16:09.20 | Knight_Lord | Locke0 debian-es |
| 16:09.36 | jetscreamer | 0 |
| 16:09.49 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 16:09.49 | dpkg | Este canal ÃĐ apenas em inglÊs. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:09.52 | jetscreamer | shotgun |
| 16:10.01 | Knight_Lord | he's spanish not portuguese |
| 16:10.08 | jetscreamer | i was just guessing |
| 16:10.11 | L0cKn | jetscreamer: sorry |
| 16:10.19 | L0cKn | it was an amsg.. |
| 16:10.24 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:10.26 | L0cKn | :/ |
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| 16:10.36 | jetscreamer | !en |
| 16:10.36 | dpkg | english |
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| 16:11.41 | xand | L0cKn: don't do that here please |
| 16:11.49 | h3sp4wn | jean_: Why not just use the full amd64 distribution ? |
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| 16:12.36 | jean_ | h3sp4wn: I am now really confused. I thought I did that |
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| 16:13.18 | jetscreamer | somebody should donate a nice brand new top of the line computer to me so i can learn about it... :D |
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| 16:13.23 | h3sp4wn | jean_: For some reason I thought you was using a 64 bit kernel with the 32 bit userland |
| 16:13.43 | jetscreamer | h3sp4wn: i just mentioned that it could be a problem if he/she was doing so |
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| 16:13.53 | jetscreamer | no idea what is being run |
| 16:14.05 | Jemt | Greetz. Is it possible to mount a folder on a server running SSH as a folder in ie /media/server ? It's almost possible using Gnome - but the mounted servers can't be accessed as folders via other programs like XMMS - suggestions ? |
| 16:14.12 | jetscreamer | 64bit kernel is all i know |
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| 16:14.35 | jetscreamer | sshfs? |
| 16:14.39 | h3sp4wn | jean_: what does - dpkg --print-architecture |
| 16:15.15 | blueyed | How can I list the (installed) packages which provide a virtual package, e.g. "httpd"? |
| 16:15.16 | jean_ | h3ps4wn: why would you think so. .... amd64 |
| 16:15.31 | Jemt | jetscreamer: Talking to me ? |
| 16:15.39 | jetscreamer | maybe... |
| 16:15.43 | h3sp4wn | jean_: I thought so because that was what was originally being talked about with jetscreamer |
| 16:15.49 | Jemt | jetscreamer: Heh, ok - checking it out :) |
| 16:16.11 | h3sp4wn | jean_: shouldn't be any problems at all then should work exactly as the instructions say |
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| 16:16.17 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 16:18.18 | jean_ | h3sp4wn: the problem is therre is two video cards that are pci-express and three screens running with Xinerama (maybe it is not the problem I do not know) I first tried two ati cards with the flgrx driver but only one was working while xorg did not output anything that would seem the reason why. So I went and bought two nvidia (evga) cards and they work it just sometimes it locks but have no clue as to why????? |
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| 16:19.38 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: are you familiar with chemistry and/or biology? |
| 16:20.38 | jean_ | h3sp4wn: In addition, every time I play a movie , mplayer or xine or totem or whatever locks after couple of mins. |
| 16:21.12 | jetscreamer | jean_: you might ask in #nvidia as well as here, they might have more of a clue |
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| 16:21.54 | jean_ | jetscreamer, thanks will try that. I hope they are more alive than #ati ;) |
| 16:22.23 | jetscreamer | can be a tad slow |
| 16:22.42 | jetscreamer | it's effective eventually |
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| 16:24.18 | jetscreamer | he says you have to use xinerama if you want to use 3 screens |
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| 16:24.41 | h3sp4wn | jean_: are you using twinview or xinerama ? |
| 16:24.56 | jean_ | h3sp4wn: xinerama |
| 16:25.16 | jean_ | twinview |
| 16:25.37 | Jemt | Is it possible to mount a specific folder on a server using SSHFS ? Something like the following (which dosn't seem to work) : sshfs user@host/folder/subfolder: /media/server |
| 16:25.50 | jean_ | sorry I am trying to get info on twinview on google did not mean to type both I am using Xinerama |
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| 16:25.54 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
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| 16:26.59 | pike__ | jean_: yeah, i think syntax is sshfs user@host:/mnt/something /media/server but not sure |
| 16:27.23 | pike__ | Jemt: ^ :) |
| 16:27.56 | Jemt | pike__: Oh, though the mount point was followed by the : sign. Thank you - I'll give it a try :) |
| 16:28.32 | Jemt | pike__: Yeah! It works. Thank you :) |
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| 16:28.47 | jetscreamer | yay team |
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| 16:30.59 | jean_ | I have no idea why it has not crashed yet. I am waiting for it but ..... |
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| 16:31.44 | viller | someone here told me how to choose a font for gtk in gtkrc but I forgot |
| 16:31.55 | viller | please tell me again if anyone knows |
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| 16:33.16 | simonrvn | switch{2} in gtk-theme-switch package |
| 16:33.33 | simonrvn | (that's 2 commands BTW) |
| 16:33.46 | viller | thanks |
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| 16:34.08 | SORMANOV | Debian Ethc wont detect my Sata devices on a Dell optiplex gx320, anyone can help me ? |
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| 16:34.25 | jetscreamer | there's some new theme switcher thingy also, like gtk-theme-switch, but i haven't checked it out |
| 16:34.36 | simonrvn | oh yeh? hm |
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| 16:34.54 | jetscreamer | i installed it but i don't rem the name :( |
| 16:34.57 | jetscreamer | err :) |
| 16:35.39 | simonrvn | thewidgetfactory |
| 16:35.43 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: yes |
| 16:35.51 | simonrvn | but that's only to display widgets |
| 16:35.53 | jetscreamer | theme manager is nw in my menu |
| 16:35.57 | jetscreamer | new |
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| 16:36.25 | SORMANOV | any one ? |
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| 16:36.48 | jetscreamer | it says gtk+ 2.0 change theme in the title bar |
| 16:37.11 | simonrvn | dpkg -S ? |
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| 16:37.24 | viller | simonrvn: but I can't change the size |
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| 16:37.38 | jetscreamer | !info gtk-theme-switch |
| 16:37.40 | viller | (s)he did it through gtkrc |
| 16:37.40 | simonrvn | viller: size of? click the checkbox |
| 16:37.41 | dpkg | gtk-theme-switch: (GTK+ theme switching utility), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.0.4+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 100 kB |
| 16:37.47 | jetscreamer | i guess |
| 16:37.51 | simonrvn | then choose font |
| 16:38.04 | SORMANOV | Debian Ethc wont detect my Sata devices on a Dell optiplex gx320, anyone can help me ? |
| 16:38.46 | viller | simonrvn: sorry I used it the wrong way :D |
| 16:39.27 | SORMANOV | !sata |
| 16:39.27 | dpkg | Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain, or you must enable CONFIG_SCSI_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work |
| 16:39.42 | NickBurnsSNL | < SORMANOV> hello .. I'm using SATA and the dumb ques I have to ask is, are the SATA drives enabled in the Bios? The new Dells have the option of on or off. |
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| 16:40.00 | SORMANOV | NickBurnsSNL, it hasnt on the bios :( |
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| 16:40.43 | jetscreamer | aha...gtk-chtheme |
| 16:40.50 | jetscreamer | !info gtk-chtheme |
| 16:40.52 | dpkg | gtk-chtheme: (GTK+ 2.0 theme changer and previewer utility), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.3.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 56 kB |
| 16:41.03 | jetscreamer | better looking preview than theme-switch |
| 16:41.09 | viller | why doesn't debian have xmame in the repos? License problems? |
| 16:42.22 | jetscreamer | ooo i already found a bug |
| 16:42.33 | NickBurnsSNL | SORMANOV ..I see. What I've also done is use the TRK rescue distro to dd/format/partition the drive before install, and if that see's it then Debian should. At least it would tell you that _some_ distro sees it |
| 16:42.35 | jetscreamer | click it enough it silently exits |
| 16:43.08 | NickBurnsSNL | http://trinityhome.org/Home/index.php?wpid=1&front_id=12 |
| 16:43.08 | SORMANOV | what is TRK NickBurnsSNL |
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| 16:43.42 | h3sp4wn | viller: Its unmaintained but it does in non-free |
| 16:43.58 | h3sp4wn | !info xmame-x |
| 16:44.00 | dpkg | xmame-x: (X binaries for the Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator), section non-free/games, is optional. Version: 0.106-2 (sid), Packaged size: 10690 kB, Installed size: 37656 kB |
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| 16:44.11 | jetscreamer | xingu: thanks again for that patch.... it didn't work out for me though i wound up using ndiswrapper that driver doesn't do wpa |
| 16:44.15 | NickBurnsSNL | SORMANOV Just pasted. Best rescue CD out there, IMHO, I've used it load dozen's of boxen, windoze and linux |
| 16:44.17 | h3sp4wn | viller: sdlmame is the only one currently being developed afaik |
| 16:44.29 | jetscreamer | not sure if the patch worked or not |
| 16:44.34 | xingu | jetscreamer: ok fair do. |
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| 16:44.47 | viller | do I have to add extra repos after install like with Ubuntu? |
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| 16:44.53 | cryptos | hello to all |
| 16:44.54 | cryptos | why HAL don't mount the usb storage as UTF-8?? this is the HAL rule: http://rafb.net/p/hjjX4O98.html ...please help me |
| 16:45.01 | jetscreamer | viller: you might want marillat's |
| 16:45.02 | vor | hi |
| 16:45.07 | jetscreamer | !debian-multimedia |
| 16:45.07 | dpkg | from memory, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 16:45.11 | vor | my debian das not have /etc/sysconfig/apache2 where can I put APACHE_SERVERNAME="xyz" and APACHE_MODULES="xyz"? it das not work from /etc/apache2/apache2.conf, thnx! |
| 16:45.23 | h3sp4wn | viller: just add contrib non-free |
| 16:45.31 | jetscreamer | that too |
| 16:45.56 | Jemt | Are there any good music players for Gnome? Totem is useless when it comes to adding music - I can't run through a directory - I have to add files for every single folder, and that's a lot :) |
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| 16:46.30 | xand | Jemt: mpd + gmpc |
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| 16:46.35 | jetscreamer | try amarok .. yes it's 'kde' but who cares you can install it if you want... or try some other |
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| 16:46.50 | jetscreamer | install them all |
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| 16:47.00 | Jemt | jetscreamer: I need a Gnome tool - I depend on functionality only available in Gnome |
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| 16:47.07 | Jemt | xand: Thanks, checking them out |
| 16:47.16 | matthew2 | I am working on a debian package which used to have conf files. The files that were conf files are no longer conf files, is there any safe way to stop those old files from being conf files? Even after upgrade /var/lib/dpkg/info/$PKG.conffiles exists w/ the old values. |
| 16:47.34 | jetscreamer | Jemt: i didn't mean run kde |
| 16:47.44 | jetscreamer | Jemt: but whatever |
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| 16:48.10 | jetscreamer | isn't banshee a gnome player? |
| 16:48.27 | jetscreamer | you might ask in #gnome on irc.gimp.org |
| 16:48.39 | jetscreamer | or there might be a #gnome on freenode by now |
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| 16:49.13 | Jemt | Thanks :) |
| 16:49.14 | samyboy | I felt on a syntax error in the debian/control of a source package ... what should I do ? |
| 16:49.27 | samyboy | file* |
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| 16:50.35 | samyboy | debian/rules I mean |
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| 16:53.05 | sebastian_ | I HATE DEBIAN!!!!! WHY THE FUCK FAGGY SHIT OS!!!!! |
| 16:53.08 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 16:53.08 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 16:53.17 | jetscreamer | sebastian_: that's nice |
| 16:53.27 | jetscreamer | tell it to somebody who cares? |
| 16:53.29 | xand | !ops sebastian_ trolling |
| 16:53.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xand complains about: sebastian_ trolling |
| 16:53.34 | sebastian_ | Like... First thing it does when I retur from my holiday is to crash!!!! |
| 16:53.34 | jetscreamer | !o... beat me |
| 16:53.50 | xand | !!! |
| 16:53.50 | dpkg | I'm not your fucking csh prompt. |
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| 16:54.13 | sebastian_ | Either im downgrading to Etch, Ubuntu or Windows.... |
| 16:54.21 | jetscreamer | ubuntu |
| 16:54.25 | Ronin | sebastian_: try windows, i suspect its more to your style |
| 16:54.32 | sebastian_ | Ronin, nope... |
| 16:54.55 | sebastian_ | Ive been doing linux for quite a while.. I don't want to go back.. |
| 16:55.03 | jean_ | jetscreamer, h3sp4wn: ok here is what happened: workstation froze, I went on the machine to see if it is only the video is broken and after an ls it just started working again WEIRD WEIRD |
| 16:55.04 | jetscreamer | i installed ubuntu for the second time. it lasted half a day... i was asleep |
| 16:55.20 | stew | sebastian_: do you have a debian related question to ask? |
| 16:55.26 | stew | sebastian_: please try to keep it constructive |
| 16:55.33 | sebastian_ | stew, blablabla... |
| 16:55.37 | jetscreamer | uh oh |
| 16:55.43 | stew | sebastian_: either ask a question, or move on |
| 16:55.50 | Arme[N] | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.11 | xand | Arme[N]: does dmesg report any errors? |
| 16:56.13 | jetscreamer | now there's a good question |
| 16:56.24 | jetscreamer | and he didn't even ask anything! :) |
| 16:56.25 | viller | is there a way I can change firefox interface's font size? |
| 16:56.32 | viller | sorry iceweasel :D |
| 16:56.38 | sebastian_ | stew, Why doesn't the nvidia graphic driver pakaage exist? |
| 16:56.48 | azeem | Arme[N]: your question got cut off at "it didn't help. i[...]" |
| 16:56.57 | sebastian_ | and why doesn't VLC exist? IVE BEEN W8ing FOR VLC FOR LIKE A MONTH NOWÂ―!!!! |
| 16:57.05 | azeem | sebastian_: please ask the channel, not individuals |
| 16:57.07 | stew | sebastian_: debian includes the free nvidia driver in the xserver-xorg-video-nv package |
| 16:57.10 | jetscreamer | vlc does exist |
| 16:57.10 | azeem | sebastian_: please don't write in all caps |
| 16:57.18 | stew | sebastian_: /msg dpkg why is vlc not in testing |
| 16:57.19 | jetscreamer | just kick him get it over with |
| 16:57.24 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 16:57.48 | Arme[N] | azeem: ... it didn't help. is there anything else I could test? |
| 16:58.02 | sebastian_ | stew, what about nvidia-glx then? |
| 16:58.08 | sebastian_ | where is it? |
| 16:58.13 | azeem | that's the OpenGL libs for it |
| 16:58.19 | jetscreamer | it's hiding from you? |
| 16:58.26 | stew | sebastian_: /msg dpkg why is nvidia-glx not in testing |
| 16:58.27 | Arme[N] | xand: I don't know, I'll try to check that ... |
| 16:58.52 | vor | f |
| 16:58.53 | sebastian_ | stew, blablabla, it interferce with other pakages blablabla! |
| 16:58.57 | Arme[N] | xand: but now my Fx crashed I can't see error there |
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| 16:59.02 | jetscreamer | the testing version seems to not have gottenalong with nvidia for a while |
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| 16:59.08 | sebastian_ | WHY DONT THEY HOLD THE OTHER FUCKING PAKAGES THEN O_O_O_ |
| 16:59.10 | sebastian_ | BLEH |
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| 17:00.16 | Arme[N] | azeem: thanks to notice, I have to cut it, it is too long |
| 17:00.37 | jetscreamer | azeem say the i ... i didn't |
| 17:00.40 | jetscreamer | err saw |
| 17:00.48 | jetscreamer | weird |
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| 17:04.43 | jean_ | Arme[N]: iceweasel should not crash because nvidia. |
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| 17:06.31 | viller | do you people install Ubuntu's debs often? |
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| 17:06.42 | Ronin | viller: no, we run debian not ubuntu |
| 17:07.13 | viller | but there's software that doesn't have packages for debian. Do you compile it? |
| 17:07.40 | stew | viller: /msg dpkg simple sid backport ; the same procedure for backporting a package from sid can be used to 'backport' a pacakge from ubuntu |
| 17:08.07 | jean_ | ubuntu |
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| 17:09.27 | jean_ | sorry wanted to google ubuntu to see what the real diff is between ubuntu and debian |
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| 17:09.43 | dondelelcaro | viller: there isn't much software that ubuntu has that Debian doesn't distribute |
| 17:10.11 | wij32 | does anyone know a linux alternative to 'enum' for windows. It ennumerates nebios information, i am looking for a nix tool that does this. |
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| 17:10.33 | Arme[N] | jean_: so you thougth problem is from somewhere else.... |
| 17:10.58 | MaSch | hi! Does anyone know a good how to for using wlan under debian? |
| 17:11.00 | dondelelcaro | wij32: like smb-nat or nbtscan? |
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| 17:11.29 | dondelelcaro | MaSch: in most cases it's just a matter of sticking the card in, installing wireless-tools; and setting up /etc/network/interfaces correctly. |
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| 17:11.56 | MaSch | okay.. i'll try |
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| 17:12.33 | rjk | What would cause a 2.29gb file to not be downloaded; only downloads 0bytes? |
| 17:12.36 | wij32 | dondelelcaro: 1 sec |
| 17:13.06 | dondelelcaro | rjk: using what? |
| 17:13.06 | wij32 | dondelelcaro: thanks, looks like what i need. |
| 17:13.21 | dondelelcaro | wij32: you can find this sort of stuff in the future using apt-cache search; |
| 17:13.38 | wij32 | dondelelcaro: ty. |
| 17:13.38 | dondelelcaro | (since 'apt-cache search netbios' is exactly what I used) |
| 17:13.57 | jean_ | Arme[N]: Are you getting this :/usr/lib/firefox-2.0.0.4/run-mozilla.sh: line 131: 4125 Segmentation fault "$prog" ${1+"$@"} |
| 17:14.30 | rjk | dondelelcaro: Mozilla/IE/scp/ftp |
| 17:14.41 | rjk | I cannot figure out why this has just started happening. |
| 17:14.58 | dondelelcaro | rjk: are you sure that file really is 2.29G? |
| 17:15.06 | rjk | In the directory listing, I see 2.29gb after an ls -l...in the browser it's reporting roughly 680MB |
| 17:15.34 | dondelelcaro | rjk: if ls -l and the apache directory listing differ, something is wrong |
| 17:15.38 | rjk | Linux tells me the file is 2.29G...it's a tar, I've run tar tvf and things seem normal. |
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| 17:16.24 | rjk | I'm just not sure where the inaccuracy is here. |
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| 17:16.40 | Arme[N] | jean_: when I run it from terminal I got just "Segmentation fault"... |
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| 17:17.17 | jean_ | Arme[N] everytime you run it |
| 17:17.20 | \amethyst | rjk: so you've encountered the same problem with apache, scp, and some ftp daemon? |
| 17:17.56 | rjk | Yes |
| 17:18.02 | rjk | On multiple computers |
| 17:18.10 | \amethyst | multiple servers? |
| 17:18.15 | rjk | No |
| 17:18.32 | RvGaTe | sorry fellow debian people... but today... im switching over to ubuntu for my desktop... ill still be using debian for servers... thx allot for all the help during my exploration within the debian desktop... :) |
| 17:18.41 | \amethyst | rjk: what versions of those packages? |
| 17:18.59 | rjk | tar 1.13.25 |
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| 17:19.02 | jean_ | RvGaTe: can you tell me why |
| 17:19.07 | rjk | I've been doing this for years, with no trouble. |
| 17:19.13 | Ranpha1 | WHat is the packages name to get a X server with gnome on a already exsisting debian testing server? |
| 17:19.16 | \amethyst | rjk: wait... are you untarring it? |
| 17:19.19 | rjk | Now, recently, I broke my RAID mirror. |
| 17:19.20 | Arme[N] | jean_: everytime when it crashes |
| 17:19.39 | jean_ | Arme[N]: I know that but does it crash everytime |
| 17:19.41 | RvGaTe | jean_, just to much trouble with the nvidia drivers each time an update comes out regarding the kernel or drivers themselves... |
| 17:19.49 | rjk | \amethyst: No, I'm trying to copy the tar I created to a harddrive for offsite storage. |
| 17:20.00 | rjk | But I'm getting differing sizes which is making me nervous. |
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| 17:20.10 | rjk | Dramatic different sizes. |
| 17:20.31 | Arme[N] | jean_: not everytime, just when I open to many tabs with lots of images |
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| 17:20.33 | jean_ | RvGaTe: why is Ubuntu better for the drivers or just you do not want to reinstall |
| 17:21.02 | jean_ | Arme[N]: interesting maybe you are using to much memnory |
| 17:21.06 | Ranpha1 | which packages do i need for gnome ? |
| 17:21.27 | RvGaTe | jean_, im not reinstalling, just gonna use some script they have in #ubuntu to change everything to the ubuntu version |
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| 17:21.31 | Arme[N] | jean_: no just 33% of memory used |
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| 17:21.42 | \amethyst | rjk: all the same client OS? |
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| 17:22.28 | rjk | I've tested downloading on Win2000 SP4, Linux Debian Etch, Windows 2000, Iceweasel, FTP, scp/winscp, IE, Firefox 2, Firefox 1.5 |
| 17:22.37 | rjk | (IE 6) |
| 17:22.55 | \amethyst | And the file sizes are different depending on which you use to download it? |
| 17:23.09 | jean_ | RvGaTe: Sorry, but I am trying to understand if they have a better driver or just they have ac script to update the nvidia drivers every time you do a dist-upgrade or something |
| 17:23.19 | rjk | I'm backing up (creating the tar) from a machine that is running Debian Woody (2.4.19) |
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| 17:23.48 | \amethyst | ah... and woody is serving the file, too? |
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| 17:23.51 | jean_ | Arme[N] which firefox are you using |
| 17:23.54 | rjk | \amethyst, each OS is reporting the same filesize, although that same filesize is incorrect to that of the source .tgz on the host file server. |
| 17:23.59 | rjk | Yes, woody is serving. |
| 17:24.05 | \amethyst | what filesize do they report? |
| 17:24.14 | lindenl1 | Why is there no linux-image-amd64-bigmem? IS it inherint in the amd64 build? |
| 17:24.14 | RvGaTe | jean_, for yuor information, im using the testing version of debian.. |
| 17:24.57 | RvGaTe | jean_, an update... few weeks ago,was for the kernel in testing... going to 2.6.20... tho, the nvidia drivers are not updated... not even after 3 weeks... |
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| 17:25.35 | \amethyst | lindenl1: correct, amd64 doesn't need weird workarounds to support >4GB |
| 17:25.54 | Arme[N] | jean_: my X restarted, everything gone I saw the gdm and now I'm here, where I can find somthing usefull? |
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| 17:26.11 | lindenl1 | \amethyst: very cool!! |
| 17:26.16 | RvGaTe | jean_, i kind of expect they would update the drivers aswell... i know they cant do it the exact day of the kernel update... but 3 weeks... damn... |
| 17:26.51 | Arme[N] | jean_: trying to catch somthing in syslog, Xorg, dmesgs log files |
| 17:27.21 | \amethyst | rjk: it might be that the woody versions of apache, ftpd, etc have >2GB file bugs |
| 17:28.01 | \amethyst | you could try splitting it into two ~1GB files, downloading them separately, and catting them on a more recent system |
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| 17:28.40 | \amethyst | as long as it's under 2GB it shouldn't be a problem |
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| 17:32.46 | xingu | rjk: try commenting out pam_limits.so from /etc/pam.d/* too |
| 17:33.15 | lindenl1 | anybody know off hand the xorg driver for intel GM965? |
| 17:34.06 | \amethyst | lindenl1: i810 |
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| 17:34.20 | lindenl1 | \amethyst: xcellent!! |
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| 17:40.18 | Mazingaro | please help, got pc lockup starting cd copying (capslock blinking) |
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| 17:42.09 | h3sp4wn | RvGaTe: If you are using testing you should be able to do a simple sid backport |
| 17:42.26 | test_ | i don't understand how to launch compiz with gnome, anyone did it ? i can't find a real tuto |
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| 17:43.12 | cydork | test_: check the wiki link in /msg dpkg compiz |
| 17:43.31 | themill | test_ compiz --replace http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
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| 17:43.49 | Mazingaro | please help, got pc lockup starting cd copying (capslock blinking) |
| 17:44.12 | TrueDD | Salut ā tous |
| 17:44.20 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 17:44.42 | test_ | thank you !!! |
| 17:45.18 | themill | Mazingaro: flashing caps lock means a kernel panic. Your box has crashed ;( |
| 17:45.35 | abrotman | or it means osmeone is pressing all the buttons really fast! |
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| 17:46.12 | themill | :) |
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| 17:46.32 | asarch | Hi everyone, how is it getting along? |
| 17:46.35 | asarch | How's the weather? |
| 17:46.47 | asarch | How can you restart the NFS daemon in Etch? |
| 17:46.52 | asarch | !nfs |
| 17:46.52 | dpkg | somebody said nfs was Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs'. |
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| 17:47.23 | h3sp4wn | Mazingaro: try the magic sys req key - http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/457 (before you reboot it to sync the disks) |
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| 17:48.37 | \amethyst | asarch: depends on which nfs server you have installed |
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| 17:49.34 | xand | asarch: why do you want to restart it? |
| 17:49.40 | rjk | I see ext2 had a 2gb file limit |
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| 17:50.05 | xand | rjk: no it didn't |
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| 17:50.21 | rjk | google is a liar! |
| 17:50.36 | \amethyst | rjk: that was true once upon a time |
| 17:50.58 | \amethyst | asarch: invoke-rc.d nfs-kernel-server restart (or nfs-user-server, depends on which you have) |
| 17:51.23 | rjk | anyway, removed a large 2gb iso from the backup..things are taring and reporting accurately across the different mediums |
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| 17:51.38 | asarch | nfs-user-server |
| 17:51.56 | \amethyst | asarch: so invoke-rc.d nfs-user-server restart |
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| 17:52.01 | asarch | \amethyst: Because I changed the parameters in /etc/exports |
| 17:52.07 | asarch | Let's se... |
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| 17:52.26 | \amethyst | you might try "reload" instead of "restart" first |
| 17:52.32 | stew | asarch: 'exportfs -ra' |
| 17:52.34 | \amethyst | but I don't know if that works with nfs-user-server |
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| 17:55.30 | xingu | rjk: not since 2.4.0 |
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| 17:55.47 | davis | hello |
| 17:56.10 | davis | is there a way to use the vncserver package to share my desktop? |
| 17:56.44 | xingu | rjk: circa woody on the other hand istr there was a common fubar in pam_limit.so using the 32bit setrlimit |
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| 17:58.23 | Braindead | davis: x11vnc ( aptitude search ~nvnc ) |
| 17:59.51 | davis | Braindead: thanks |
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| 18:01.22 | Sp4rKy | hi |
| 18:01.38 | Sp4rKy | anyone here uses X10 ? |
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| 18:01.48 | xingu | rjk: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/08/msg00614.html - there you go. :) |
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| 18:04.31 | Gnurdux | anyone here who could help with a wierd computer problem |
| 18:05.09 | flami | !tell Gnurdux about ask |
| 18:05.18 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 18:05.34 | Gnurdux | i laready tried the openoffice channel, anyways <Gnurdux> what could possibly make a documents preview different than what shows up when you open it? |
| 18:05.34 | Gnurdux | <Gnurdux> see i did this really annoying assignment for an online course, and I had to save it in msword format, and now it looks blank when opened, but not in the preview -- its in a wierd table thing, and all the cells look blank except the first when you actually open it |
| 18:05.34 | Gnurdux | <Gnurdux> the preview thing is gnome i think |
| 18:05.34 | Gnurdux | <Gnurdux> and im using openoffice 2.0 |
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| 18:05.52 | Gnurdux | how many lines got through? |
| 18:05.56 | Gnurdux | sry bout that |
| 18:06.27 | Gnurdux | any chance that abiword or something would read it correctly? |
| 18:06.38 | Gnurdux | apparently it opens wierdly in word too |
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| 18:06.52 | Gnurdux | unless my teacher uses openoffice, which i highly doubt |
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| 18:08.00 | shogunx | Gnurdux, catdoc from the wordview package (iirc) might help |
| 18:08.08 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 18:09.08 | peregrine007 | hey all. I'm a Windows administrator with 3 *nix boxes, two are reverse web proxies, one will be a network management tool |
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| 18:10.31 | NickBurnsSNL | helo all ;) |
| 18:10.50 | themill | Gnurdux: the preview inside your file manager? (which file manager?) |
| 18:10.59 | Gnurdux | nautilus |
| 18:11.18 | vor | d |
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| 18:12.04 | Gnurdux | abiword and wordview arent working |
| 18:12.09 | NickBurnsSNL | any one know when k3b 1.0.3 will make it out for Etch update? |
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| 18:12.19 | themill | Gnurdux: openoffice, abiword and kword all have different import filters... all worth a try. |
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| 18:12.32 | Gnurdux | ok |
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| 18:13.01 | Gnurdux | the_lalelu, where would the nautilus preview come from? |
| 18:13.16 | Gnurdux | *themill |
| 18:13.19 | themill | NickBurnsSNL: k3b in etch will only change for security updates. It might be in backports though |
| 18:13.44 | themill | Gnurdux: not sure. ask google? |
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| 18:14.45 | jean_wlu | okay, I am back after some nasty lockups which now I do not think it is nvidia. I was under the nick name jean_. |
| 18:14.50 | databuddy | hey how often are bits written to /boot folder/partittion? |
| 18:14.57 | databuddy | i'm considering moving /boot to a usb key |
| 18:15.20 | NickBurnsSNL | <themill> ah .. that new version fixes a nasty hang when it searches for other devices |
| 18:15.38 | peregrine007 | where are the good starting points for OSS tools that assist in network management, especially windows |
| 18:16.07 | xingu | peregrine007: what does network management mean to you? |
| 18:16.11 | Gnurdux | google isnt telling me much |
| 18:16.20 | Gnurdux | i really dont wanna start from scratch |
| 18:16.32 | themill | NickBurnsSNL: doesn't look like it's in backports. I don't know how hard it would be to do yourself. |
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| 18:17.25 | Arme[N] | Hi, In Debian etch some app like iceweasel and gcc terminatid with segmentation fault or sometimes X restarted or freezed at all (this is tail of log files when it restarted http://pastebin.com/m4ea342a8), My graphic card is Nvidia Vanta tested with nv and vesa drivers, I replaced that with Nvidia GeForce 6200 and tested nv, nvidia and vesa drivers in all of those the problem is same. |
| 18:17.31 | Arme[N] | I have two 512 RAM modules I tested those tested with memtest86+ and no problem. I boot the kernel with noapic and nolapic, it didn't help. is there anything else I could test? |
| 18:18.08 | jean_wlu | If I install with noapci and nolapic and update the packages does it install the new kernel with apci and lapci ???? |
| 18:18.10 | themill | Gnurdux: M$ free word viewer for word97 can be installed under wine. That might help... |
| 18:18.30 | jean_wlu | Arme[N] you still having the problem. Has your system crash |
| 18:18.57 | themill | Gnurdux: was catdoc not able to at least extract the text for you? |
| 18:19.23 | Arme[N] | jean_wlu: X restarted once and iceweasel crashed several times |
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| 18:20.09 | Arme[N] | jean_wlu: see this http://pastebin.com/m4ea342a8, it seems gdm crashes not X, what you think? |
| 18:20.16 | jean_wlu | Arme[N]: when X crashes what do you so. Do you need to go on a hard reset or ctrl alt f1 and restart X |
| 18:20.36 | NickBurnsSNL | <themill> prob not too hard, but I'm still learning how to manually install a package and still have apt-get know about it and update it .. |
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| 18:20.57 | doc83 | hey can someone try to dcc me something, I am trying to test to see if it works it wasnt before |
| 18:21.02 | doc83 | I dont care, a readme.txt will do |
| 18:21.19 | \amethyst | dpkg tell NickBurnsSNL about simple sid backport |
| 18:22.09 | Arme[N] | jean_wlu: sometimes when it crashes I just have to press restart button, keyboard does not response at all, but today I had just X restart, then I saw gdm screen |
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| 18:22.57 | NickBurnsSNL | <dpkg> cool, thank you, I'll do that. |
| 18:23.00 | xingu | Arme[N]: you probably want to pastebin /var/log/kern.log, /var/log/Xorg.0.log, /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old somewhere useful. |
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| 18:23.40 | Arme[N] | xingu: sure ... |
| 18:24.02 | jean_wlu | Arme[N]: you should ssh into your machine and see when it crashes if you can still connect, mine I cannot do anything on the machine when it crashes so I do not think it is X or the nvidia cards but something else which I am still working on... |
| 18:24.13 | cld | i have debian installed onto a usb memory stick, and after selecting the installation from the grub bootloader prompt, it gives me error 17: cannot mount partition. it says that the filesystem is unknown; however, i am running debian from the usb stick now by booting from the install cd and using chroot. |
| 18:24.31 | Arme[N] | xingu: whole files that you noticed? |
| 18:24.45 | cld | how can i fix this? or how can i allow the chroot system to access my devices (so i can run X)? |
| 18:24.58 | Arme[N] | jean_wlu: Yeah I have to install a debian in my old machine to do that, I'll thanks |
| 18:25.09 | xingu | Arme[N]: yes. |
| 18:25.12 | djw | cld: can you get the grub menu when booting off the usb stick? |
| 18:25.23 | cld | djw: yes |
| 18:25.27 | dondelelcaro | cld: you can do the latter by bind mounting /dev under the chroot; the former is something else. Has the USB stick ever worked? |
| 18:25.42 | cld | grub is installed to the mbr of the usb stick and it loads when i boot the usb drive |
| 18:25.47 | jean_wlu | Arme[N] what do you have on the other machine. You cann ssh to your debian box with anything |
| 18:26.01 | djw | cld: possibly when you installed debian on the usb stick the hard disks where referenced differently |
| 18:26.19 | djw | cld: you'll have to edit the parameter in the grub menu to point at the right things |
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| 18:26.39 | djw | cld: hopefully it's just changing root (hd0,0) to whatever it actually is |
| 18:26.41 | cld | djw: the parameter hd(1,0)? |
| 18:26.56 | djw | cld: yeah, fiddle with that, see if it works |
| 18:27.22 | cld | djw: and then do I need to run grub-update, or mbr-install, or both? |
| 18:27.24 | vor | k |
| 18:27.29 | Arme[N] | jean_wlu: yeah, I don't have anything except that old machin it didn't have OS, I have to prepare it |
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| 18:27.55 | jean_wlu | Arme[N]: what does firefox -version say |
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| 18:28.12 | djw | cld: well test it first by manually editing in the grub menu, then if it works edit menu.lst and run grub-whatever |
| 18:28.23 | Arme[N] | jean_wlu: Mozilla Iceweasel 2.0.0.3, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2007 mozilla.org |
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| 18:28.47 | djw | cld: I've been having to run grub from a live CD, but I think grub-install does the right thing |
| 18:28.48 | cld | ok thanks |
| 18:29.15 | cld | do I need to use mbr-install? |
| 18:29.25 | djw | probably not, since you have a working mbr |
| 18:29.34 | djw | and grub-install probably updates it anyway |
| 18:29.45 | cld | thank you |
| 18:29.52 | djw | cld: grub-install (hd0) install grub into the mbr.... |
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| 18:31.01 | jean_wlu | Arme[N]: can you update ? what debian version are you using |
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| 18:31.43 | Mazingaro | h3sp4wn: well I now mgaic sysreq, I'd like to know why k3b crashing my pc so hard, never did so |
| 18:32.06 | edju | Anyone know of a good howto for wireless? Gotta get this tihing to connect to networks other than my home router. |
| 18:32.14 | Arme[N] | jean_wlu: debian etch |
| 18:32.41 | Arme[N] | jean_wlu: that version is latest for etch, not? |
| 18:32.49 | shogunx | edju, google.com/linux for wireless-tools, and look for the authours site at HP |
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| 18:33.35 | jean_wlu | Arme[N] I do not know why don't you do apt-get update and apt-get install firefox |
| 18:33.44 | jean_wlu | or iceweasel and see what happens |
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| 18:33.50 | edju | shogunx, What author? |
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| 18:34.48 | deeku | hey... anybody use ipmi/ipmitool to get thermal sensor data? |
| 18:35.05 | Arme[N] | jean_wlu: ok... |
| 18:35.11 | Arme[N] | xingu: kern.log: http://pastebin.com/m7ad9704b Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/m7853ca35 Xorg.0.log.old: http://pastebin.com/m10645584 |
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| 18:35.41 | shogunx | edju authour of wireless-tools jean and last name looks french starting with a t |
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| 18:36.01 | edju | shogunx, OK, will do. Thanks. |
| 18:36.25 | Arme[N] | jean_wlu: it is newest version |
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| 18:37.10 | bliss | hi |
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| 18:38.08 | jean_wlu | Arme[N]: why don't you update your sources.list to testing and install the newer one and see. |
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| 18:39.11 | stew | Arme[N]: no, you don't want to listen to jean_wlu |
| 18:39.16 | Arme[N] | jean_wlu: that will be last option |
| 18:39.28 | xingu | Arme[N]: does dmesg have anything about Xid in it? |
| 18:39.29 | stew | jean_wlu: do not recommend that people mix testing and stable. it is a bad idea, and it is not supported |
| 18:39.36 | xingu | !bobbitt |
| 18:39.36 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system or "debian based distro". |
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| 18:40.37 | vor | but what if :-) |
| 18:40.55 | Arme[N] | xingu: no |
| 18:41.02 | jean_wlu | Arme[N], stew: ok why don't you grab it from the website in source form and comiple the newest one. |
| 18:41.51 | bliss | when I installed etch I used LUKS and at the moment my partitions are /dev/hda1 ext3 boot 243mb , /dev/hda2 extended 37gigs . /dev/hda5 unknown 37gigs my question is that when I type the LUKS password in at boot does this not decrypt the /dev/hda5 partition/ |
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| 18:42.18 | xingu | Arme[N]: can you pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf also? |
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| 18:42.27 | Arme[N] | xingu: sure |
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| 18:42.30 | moshisushi | hey is it possible to install the Sun JRE in debian? |
| 18:42.35 | stew | Arme[N]: what exactly is the problem? |
| 18:42.38 | moshisushi | i can't instlal with the official one |
| 18:42.43 | stew | moshisushi: its in non-free; /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 18:43.26 | stew | Arme[N]: if you are getting random segfaults in both iceweasel and gcc, then the problem is almost definately a hardware problem, not a software problem |
| 18:43.31 | moshisushi | stew: i know.. but i need it for my banks' site |
| 18:43.39 | moshisushi | alternative RE's won't work :( |
| 18:43.48 | stew | moshisushi: so why not install sun's from non-free? |
| 18:44.01 | Arme[N] | xingu: http://pastebin.com/d3ff4dcce |
| 18:44.03 | dondelelcaro | moshisushi: sun's JRE is in non-free. It's not an alternative. |
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| 18:44.26 | moshisushi | ah ok yeah sure.. i tried the official linux binary from their site |
| 18:44.36 | moshisushi | didn't work.. but ill try this one then |
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| 18:45.57 | Arme[N] | stew: thats what I think, but I want to figured it out where is the problem exactly, if it is possible, this will lern me so much things, and it did already |
| 18:46.01 | xingu | Arme[N]: add a new stanza below Section "Module" ... EndSection |
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| 18:46.35 | xingu | Arme[N]: add Section "Extensions" <newline> <indent> Option "Composite" "Disable" <newline> EndSection |
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| 18:46.37 | dondelelcaro | moshisushi: well, if it doesn't work, then the sun jre doesn't work. |
| 18:46.41 | stew | Arme[N]: i'd recommend running memtest86+ as well. |
| 18:47.22 | xingu | Arme[N]: and yes, memtest86+ is a good idea; also your gpu is being driven as AGP 8x; there may be bus timing issues that mean this is unstable on your platform. |
| 18:47.43 | Arme[N] | xingu: stew already run, and there was no error |
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| 18:48.17 | stew | Arme[N]: is it possible that something is overheating? |
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| 18:48.49 | Arme[N] | stew: I cleand everything last night, I don't think so |
| 18:48.56 | jelly | hmm... could downgrading gcc from 4.1.3 to 4.1.2 lead to, say, insmod/modprobe segfaulting? |
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| 18:49.41 | stew | Arme[N]: you also might try removing memory modules one at a time to see if you can figure out if removing one of them solves the problem. This is what I had to do recently in your situation when memtest86 didn't detect the bad module. |
| 18:50.03 | bliss | when I installed etch I used LUKS and at the moment my partitions are /dev/hda1 ext3 boot 243mb , /dev/hda2 extended 37gigs . /dev/hda5 unknown 37gigs my question is that when I type the LUKS password in at boot does this not decrypt the /dev/hda5 partition? |
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| 18:50.38 | xingu | Arme[N]: please start by disabling composite extention. |
| 18:50.48 | Arme[N] | stew: but I have to sure, I'll install a heat monitoring.... good idea I'll remove one module to see what will happen.... |
| 18:51.04 | Arme[N] | xingu: ok |
| 18:51.06 | xingu | Arme[N]: if it's not that, it's quite likely to be related to bus starvation at 8x agp |
| 18:51.07 | Arme[N] | brb |
| 18:51.22 | Arme[N] | xingu: ok |
| 18:51.35 | dondelelcaro | s/tuesday/thursday/ |
| 18:52.21 | bliss | stew: can you take a look at my question sometime thanks |
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| 18:52.48 | davis | any reason why netbeans is not one of the available debian packages? |
| 18:53.43 | aarkerio | somebody knows a way to edit a file remotely using FTP or SSH on Gnome? |
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| 18:54.03 | davis | ssh and then vi? |
| 18:54.19 | jgay | Hey Debian people, mind if I spam an FSF protest here? |
| 18:54.33 | jgay | It's against the BBC. http://defectivebydesign.org/iPlayerProtest |
| 18:55.03 | jgay | OK, done spamming :-) Thank you for being awesome :-) |
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| 19:01.44 | Sp4rKy | anyone here uses X10 ? |
| 19:02.18 | Eulex | X10? like... what was before X11? |
| 19:02.54 | Sp4rKy | hehe noo |
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| 19:03.02 | Sp4rKy | X10 is home automation protocol |
| 19:03.12 | rvalles | the domotics thingy |
| 19:03.20 | Sp4rKy | yep |
| 19:03.27 | rvalles | I have heard of it, but that's all |
| 19:03.33 | Sp4rKy | :/ |
| 19:03.37 | Sp4rKy | i'm trying to use it :) |
| 19:03.52 | Sp4rKy | and installing the usb controller isn't very easy |
| 19:03.55 | bliss | bliss thinks ubuntu will never reach the debian standard |
| 19:04.15 | infernal_jesus | Sp4rKy: my appliances talk to each other. It can get really annoying.. :P |
| 19:04.23 | Sp4rKy | infernal_jesus: :( |
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| 19:04.40 | Sp4rKy | bliss: hehe, checked bof under ubuntu & debian , without more results |
| 19:05.00 | bliss | bof? |
| 19:05.02 | infernal_jesus | Sp4rKy: step on the scale, the scale goes "hm.. I've been talking to the fridge.." |
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| 19:05.52 | Sp4rKy | ^^ |
| 19:07.04 | rvalles | I do some domotics stuff, but with TCP/IP |
| 19:07.21 | rvalles | like... how I save torrents in a NFS share, and the server picks them up... |
| 19:07.22 | bliss | bliss says on the positive side ubuntu is good for absolute biginers, questions asked in form are often answered in miuntes. |
| 19:07.23 | rvalles | ^.^ |
| 19:07.27 | jetscreamer | both |
| 19:07.40 | rvalles | I guess that doesn't count as home automation |
| 19:07.47 | jetscreamer | spike lee jungle fever... da bof uv use |
| 19:07.52 | jetscreamer | boaf |
| 19:07.54 | h3sp4wn | bliss: Problem is they are often answered incorrectly (or in a crap way) |
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| 19:08.05 | jetscreamer | loaf |
| 19:08.08 | jetscreamer | pinch |
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| 19:09.29 | bliss | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:10.43 | xingu | Arme[N]: oh good, you're back; I have some more magic for you; |
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| 19:11.15 | xingu | Arme[N]: edit /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc |
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| 19:11.25 | xingu | Arme[N]: after options nvidia, change the rest to read... |
| 19:11.29 | Arme[N] | xingu: cool :) |
| 19:11.31 | xingu | Arme[N]: NVreg_EnableAGPSBA=1 NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1 NVreg_EnableBrightnessControl=1 NVreg_DevicesConnected=1 NVreg_VbiosFromROM=1 NVreg_SaveVBios=1 NVreg_SoftEDIDs=0 NVreg_VideoMemoryTypeOverride=0 NVreg_NvAGP=3 NVreg_ReqAGPRate=4 |
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| 19:11.53 | xingu | Arme[N]: so you should have "options nvidia " and then all that lot |
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| 19:12.35 | jetscreamer | i did that once, but not that much... only a 4x agp eh.. me too :/ you have fw enabled in bios as well i ass-u-me |
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| 19:13.00 | jetscreamer | and blacklisted agpgart or so |
| 19:13.12 | xingu | jetscreamer: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=92622 |
| 19:13.20 | xingu | jetscreamer: kernel agp is the correct religion these days. |
| 19:13.56 | jetscreamer | or not agpgart but the chipset specific matching module... (i don't know the word) |
| 19:15.05 | jetscreamer | gah work time |
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| 19:16.48 | Kleber_ | hello folks, is there anybody with experience in postfix + clamav + amavisd-new + debian etch ??? I have a problem with that |
| 19:18.13 | Jean11 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:18.40 | chops | !anyone |
| 19:18.40 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 19:20.06 | Jean11 | I am connected to my box that froze and need help finding out why I ssh to it and it seems ok so I think it is the video which is an nvidia driver |
| 19:20.07 | Kleber_ | my problem: postfix/qmgr[12910]: warning: connect to transport clamav: Connection refused |
| 19:20.08 | tam | how do you use the package irssi-scripts? i've installed it and unsure of how to use/run it |
| 19:20.11 | Arme[N] | xingu: okey done |
| 19:20.20 | Kleber_ | on /var/log/mail.log |
| 19:20.27 | Arme[N] | xingu: brb |
| 19:20.27 | Ronin | tam: look on irssi.org for use on scripts |
| 19:20.34 | xingu | Arme[N]: ok, you'll need to reboot to bind those settings. |
| 19:20.42 | tam | Ronin: surely its different as it comes as a deb package |
| 19:20.57 | Arme[N] | xingu: okey |
| 19:20.57 | xingu | Jean11: is it still frozen? |
| 19:20.57 | Ronin | tam: doesnt matter how to use and load them is the same |
| 19:21.08 | Ronin | tam: or you can also type /help script |
| 19:21.09 | Jean11 | xingu: yes |
| 19:21.20 | xingu | Jean11: anything about Xid in dmesg? |
| 19:21.51 | xingu | Jean11: also - you'll want to grab /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old and pastebin them somewhere |
| 19:22.12 | stew | tam: just /script load scriptname |
| 19:22.13 | xingu | Jean11: probably a good idea to preempt the inevitable and grab/pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf too |
| 19:22.53 | Jean11 | xingu: here is the pastebin for dmesg | grep Xid |
| 19:23.05 | Jean11 | http://pastebin.com/m574a551a |
| 19:23.17 | xingu | there's nothing quite like a buggy bit of closed source for flushing out busted hw |
| 19:24.30 | xingu | Jean11: ok, soup nazi has something for you today too; but soup nazi needs to see /var/log/Xorg.0.log, Xorg.0.log.old first. |
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| 19:25.03 | Jean11 | xingu: sure one second I am getting |
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| 19:25.57 | tam | stew: thanks |
| 19:26.03 | xingu | Jean11: nb: Xid == nvidia impenetrable closed-source blob shat itself, probably on the gpu. |
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| 19:26.27 | xingu | Jean11: there's no useful detail in it; but the fact that it happened is telling, it probably means that you have bus timing or thermal issues. |
| 19:27.32 | Jean11 | xingu: okay hold on I am getting the other files sorry it takes long because I have to get transfer them first |
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| 19:29.33 | Jean11 | xingu: Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/m1c360d1 |
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| 19:30.34 | xingu | Jean11: so for you; edit /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc; alter (or add) "options nvidia" so that it reads... |
| 19:30.40 | Jean11 | xingu: Xorg.0.log.old http://pastebin.com/d45d633b |
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| 19:31.51 | xingu | Jean11: oh; before I start is your 7300 PCIe or AGP? |
| 19:31.59 | xingu | err, PCIe or PCI ? |
| 19:32.10 | Jean11 | PCIe |
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| 19:32.27 | SeoNyc | salut |
| 19:32.28 | SeoNyc | ya des fr ? |
| 19:32.30 | Jean11 | and xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/d6482e22b |
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| 19:32.43 | chops | !fr |
| 19:32.43 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:33.02 | xingu | Jean11: I assume PCIe; ... so "options nvidia |
| 19:33.02 | xingu | options nvidia NVreg_VideoMemoryTypeOverride=0 NVreg_NvAGP=0 NVreg_ReqAGPRate=0 NVreg_SoftEDIDs=0 NVreg_DevicesConnected=1 NVreg_VbiosFromROM=1 NVreg_SaveVBios=1 NVreg_EnableBrightnessControl=1" |
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| 19:34.32 | The_Alexander | hello. I'm a bit newbie in linuxes, can You help me? I've installed Debian AMD64, does it mean I can't install ex. w32codecs? |
| 19:34.57 | Jean11 | xingu: that is for me you say |
| 19:35.16 | xingu | Jean11: and I'd also recommend you add NVreg_RegistryDwords="PerfLevelSrc=0x2222" on the end of those. |
| 19:35.17 | chops | The_Alexander: I believe the standard solution there is to run a 32-bit chroot (google for that phrase for more) |
| 19:35.19 | xingu | Jean11: yes. |
| 19:35.31 | The_Alexander | ok, thanks |
| 19:35.44 | xingu | Jean11: so - options nvidia NVreg_VideoMemoryTypeOverride=0 NVreg_NvAGP=0 NVreg_ReqAGPRate=0 NVreg_SoftEDIDs=0 NVreg_DevicesConnected=1 NVreg_VbiosFromROM=1 NVreg_SaveVBios=1 NVreg_EnableBrightnessControl=1 NVreg_RegistryDwords="PerfLevelSrc=0x2222" |
| 19:36.00 | xingu | Jean11: I'm *assuming* your 7300GS's are PCI express. |
| 19:36.49 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: would mind me asking you a few questions about it, devices, their use and some substances? |
| 19:37.27 | xingu | Jean11: nb: the 7300's don't seem to be terribly stable as a rule; perflevelsrc hack might get you by, but I wouldn't have too high expectations |
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| 19:39.07 | xingu | Jean11: the suspicion I have is that it is due to incomplete support for the turbocache feature; if the gpu faults to a texture or whatever not currently in memory, the driver needs to service that fault and handle it; and that little rigmarole seems to be the cause of problems, particularly under workloads like say beryl/ composite. |
| 19:39.09 | Jean11 | xingu: okay hold on. I have two other cards which are ATI Pro X1650 which I could not install and that is why I got these. Do you think the ATI are better |
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| 19:39.50 | xingu | Jean11: if you want stability, don't use those (beryl/composite) on this hardware I suggest; but give those kernel driver options I just pasted a go, see if it brings you any joy. |
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| 19:40.18 | xingu | Jean11: then, try disabling composite extension in xorg.conf. |
| 19:40.33 | xingu | Jean11: if still no joy, bin the cards and replace with 7950GTX's |
| 19:40.44 | eth01 | does webmin install on etch? |
| 19:40.58 | xingu | !webmin |
| 19:40.58 | dpkg | i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality |
| 19:42.00 | eth01 | anything else simular? |
| 19:42.37 | rjk | well, i re-tarred excluding the 2gb iso and it works okay...hrm |
| 19:42.41 | Jean11 | xingu: so you do not think the ATI would work as well |
| 19:43.19 | xingu | Jean11: can't comment; try the driver options, see if that stabalises things. |
| 19:43.37 | xingu | Jean11: then if not, disable composite extension in xorg.conf |
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| 19:44.29 | Jean11 | xingu: I would rather have a stable system so if the 7950GTX is better and more stable and not that much more ... |
| 19:44.42 | Jean11 | xingu: I will try this first |
| 19:45.16 | tetonca | eth01: maybe 'dpkg-reconfigure' since this is #debian. |
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| 19:46.11 | Arme[N] | xingu: Hi, I did test but it seems problem is same, I got sometimes message form syslog I got it now again, http://pastebin.com/d6cdd6c84 |
| 19:46.35 | BleSS | I've my doubts about if owner is correct on 'at' directories- http://paste2.org/p/5463 |
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| 19:47.32 | xingu | Arme[N]: ok my guess is that your system is overheating or that it is overclocked. |
| 19:47.44 | mikefoo | Anyone use a barracude here by any chance? |
| 19:47.59 | mikefoo | barracuda rather |
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| 19:48.45 | norc | Arme[N]: have you run a memtest to be sure the ram is ok? |
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| 19:48.56 | xingu | Arme[N]: that error there has nothing to do with the world of nvidia; it's just good old fashioned hw brokenness. |
| 19:49.01 | stew | BleSS: they are close, but the two directories should be 'chown daemon:daemon' and 'chmod g+w' |
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| 19:49.31 | ruben | Hi, if I use ssh -X ip to use ssh portworarding facility, I can launch xterm with no problems, why I cannot laung firefox/thunderbird ? |
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| 19:50.22 | Jean11 | xingu: all the screen went blank and nothing is booting mind you all I did is a invoke-rc.d gdm restart from this end on the ssh console |
| 19:50.27 | Arme[N] | xingu: so I have to double check everything, really thank you, and you Jean11 |
| 19:50.34 | Arme[N] | norc: yes I did |
| 19:50.35 | BleSS | stew: thanks! I don't know why they are set so by default from installation |
| 19:50.55 | Arme[N] | norc: but I'll check it again |
| 19:51.01 | stew | BleSS: you mean why are they as you have them? or as i'm trying to tell you to change them? |
| 19:51.05 | norc | Arme[N]: be sure to run it a couple of times. |
| 19:51.19 | Arme[N] | norc: okey |
| 19:51.21 | xingu | Jean11: you'll need to reboot to bind those driver options |
| 19:51.40 | xingu | Jean11: nb: your card is PCIe (pci express), says so in your logs; so all is good on that front. |
| 19:52.11 | norc | Arme[N]: Have you checked xingu's assumption that your CPU might be overclocked or overheated? |
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| 19:52.27 | norc | Arme[N]: This would explain this specific error message your pasted. |
| 19:52.33 | BleSS | stew: I mean that those directories are configured (owned by root) by default in the system installation and is incorrect |
| 19:52.40 | Arme[N] | xingu: you told me about AGP starvation , latest changes I made was related to it? (AGP Fast write ...) |
| 19:52.49 | Jean11 | xingu: is there a way to find out when it reboots if there are problems or just wait to see if it crashes |
| 19:53.02 | xingu | Jean11: just wait I'm afraid |
| 19:53.40 | xingu | Arme[N]: yes; nvreg_enableagpfw=1 - set to 0 if you want to test that theory. |
| 19:53.43 | Arme[N] | norc: I cleaned and checked CPC fan last night it seems everything is okey |
| 19:53.57 | Arme[N] | xingu: okey thanks |
| 19:54.17 | xingu | Arme[N]: I chose agp 4x for you already with nvreg_reqagprate=4 (can also be 8 for 8x, probably 1 or 2 also) |
| 19:55.05 | norc | Arme[N]: mind my asking if (and how) you can reproduce this error? |
| 19:55.18 | BleSS | stew: and I think that it is'nt necessary 'chmod g+w' since that 'daemon' user can write on them |
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| 19:56.09 | xingu | Arme[N]: to be really conservative, also set nvreg_enablesba=0 |
| 19:56.10 | stew | BleSS: right, probably not, since the binary is setuid, i'm just comparing to my systems which have them both at chmod 1770 |
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| 19:56.37 | xingu | Arme[N]: sba==sideband addressing. |
| 19:56.40 | alex-bile | What package has section 2 manpages? |
| 19:57.05 | BleSS | stew: ok, thanks |
| 19:57.13 | dondelelcaro | alex-bile: manpages |
| 19:57.14 | ponyofdeath | hi, i am having problems with debian messing up all my network card's aliases what is the way to auto detect that stuff? |
| 19:57.24 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: sure, ask away. |
| 19:57.26 | Arme[N] | norc: it is random I just open up iceweasel with lots of tabs after several times crashes in iceweasel I had this |
| 19:57.44 | dondelelcaro | ponyofdeath: you'll have to be slightly more specific |
| 19:57.54 | xingu | I've got to say it does sound like bus starvation in Arme[N]'s case |
| 19:57.59 | norc | Arme[N]: mhm.. be sure to run memtest as long as you can. |
| 19:58.02 | xingu | Arme[N]: can you try another boot with sba=0, fw=0 ? |
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| 19:58.11 | alex-bile | dondelelcaro: I have it, but they're not there. The description says that only pages for sections 4, 5 and 7 are provided. |
| 19:58.28 | dondelelcaro | alex-bile: it has one manpage for section 2. intro.2.gz |
| 19:58.29 | ponyofdeath | dondelelcaro: basically my 2 nics are way off on the numbering scheme with aliases like eth4 and eth2 |
| 19:58.37 | alex-bile | dondelelcaro: Where's the rest? |
| 19:58.49 | xingu | norc: memtest doesn't stress agp unfortunately and he has a gf6200 on the wrong end of agp 8x |
| 19:58.57 | dondelelcaro | alex-bile: which manpages are you looking for? |
| 19:58.59 | Arme[N] | xingu: I'll test all step by step |
| 19:59.04 | Arme[N] | norc: okey |
| 19:59.11 | Arme[N] | xingu: sure I'll try it now |
| 19:59.15 | alex-bile | dondelelcaro: basic stuff like open(), printf(), etc |
| 19:59.20 | Jean11 | xingu: just to make sure and plan ahead if anything you said 7950GTX |
| 19:59.21 | antgel | !tell ponyofdeath about z25 |
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| 19:59.47 | dondelelcaro | alex-bile: that's glibc-doc |
| 19:59.48 | xingu | Jean11: they're pretty quick but more to the point cool running too |
| 20:00.01 | norc | xingu: I don't know if his gc is the cause. But it can't hurt to check one's memory every now and then |
| 20:00.27 | dondelelcaro | ponyofdeath: that's /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (or similar) which defines that. |
| 20:00.40 | dondelelcaro | ponyofdeath: change the eth that is listed there appropriately. |
| 20:01.14 | antgel | some feature, that z25. catches a lot of people out, even me :D |
| 20:01.20 | alex-bile | dondelelcaro: No. It was only pthread-related documentation. |
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| 20:01.51 | dondelelcaro | alex-bile: glibc-doc-reference then if you're running post-sarge. |
| 20:01.59 | corpulunt | folks |
| 20:02.10 | dondelelcaro | (and apt-cache show glibc-doc would have told you about it) |
| 20:02.32 | corpulunt | I have a question: on an old Mandrake 9.2 box the escape characters of a bash script show perfectly, on a Debian 4.0 box they show as "arrows" when they are supposed to be the borders of a dialong |
| 20:02.39 | corpulunt | any idea of what could be causing this? |
| 20:02.40 | alex-bile | dondelelcaro: no man pages, only html documents |
| 20:02.58 | dondelelcaro | alex-bile: that's all that there is |
| 20:03.07 | dondelelcaro | alex-bile: libc6 isn't documented in manpages |
| 20:03.16 | antgel | corpulunt: any chance of posting the code? |
| 20:03.23 | corpulunt | antgel: yes, hold up. |
| 20:03.23 | robboplus | how do you tell cron to run something every 10 mins? or other tool? |
| 20:03.40 | norc | robboplus: crond runs all the time, you must make the proper entry in your crontab |
| 20:03.46 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: man 5 crontab; for details. |
| 20:03.53 | robboplus | norc yes but the resolution is 1hr, isn't it? |
| 20:04.00 | norc | robboplus: 22:03 < dondelelcaro> robboplus: man 5 crontab; for details. |
| 20:04.05 | alex-bile | dondelelcaro: What do you mean? How did it happen? |
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| 20:04.08 | robboplus | ok checking - thank you |
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| 20:04.37 | norc | robboplus: I think the smallest resolution is minutes. |
| 20:04.44 | dondelelcaro | alex-bile: it actually hasn't been documented in man pages for a while; they were historically there, but GNU projects tend to use texinfo, which makes info manuals and html manuals. |
| 20:04.46 | norc | robboplus: but that might differ from crond to crond |
| 20:04.57 | robboplus | hm looks like it norc... it says 0-59 min |
| 20:05.00 | dondelelcaro | alex-bile: so the maintainer probably finally decided to jettison them since they were innacurate. |
| 20:05.07 | robboplus | so 5-59/10 * * * * ? |
| 20:05.12 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: almost |
| 20:05.13 | robboplus | err 0-59/10 |
| 20:05.21 | corpulunt | antgel cant post the code. |
| 20:05.21 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: or */10 * * * * |
| 20:05.25 | corpulunt | <- BitchX from console. |
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| 20:05.39 | robboplus | dondelelcaro i like your solution very much - thank you! |
| 20:05.45 | corpulunt | the box is sitting next to me tho if you tell me what could be happening I can try stuff on it |
| 20:05.47 | antgel | !tell corpulunt about paste |
| 20:05.48 | alex-bile | dondelelcaro: Ok, thank you. |
| 20:06.01 | corpulunt | antgel: cant paste. |
| 20:06.03 | dondelelcaro | corpulunt: that usually means that the script is sending the wrong escape codes for the terminal in which it is running |
| 20:06.25 | corpulunt | dondelelcaro: if i ssh in the box through putty which emulates an xterm the script works like charm |
| 20:06.38 | corpulunt | echo $TERM says linux |
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| 20:06.57 | dondelelcaro | the linux term isn't xterm... |
| 20:07.06 | corpulunt | i know |
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| 20:07.23 | dondelelcaro | corpulunt: but in any event, which terminal are the characters being misdisplayed in? |
| 20:07.23 | corpulunt | on the linux term, console, the script does run but the scape/control characters show as arrows |
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| 20:07.33 | corpulunt | dondelelcaro: linux |
| 20:07.55 | irule | where in CLI is this? http://www.debiantutorials.org/talkitup/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=166.0;attach=41;image |
| 20:08.13 | viller | can I make an OS in a virtualization software persistent (save the files, settings etc...)? |
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| 20:09.02 | dondelelcaro | corpulunt: what is the script using to display the escape sequences? Or is it just sending raw escape sequences? |
| 20:09.06 | antgel | irule: /etc/passwd |
| 20:09.20 | corpulunt | raw |
| 20:09.36 | dondelelcaro | corpulunt: well, it's sending the wrong ones. It should be using ncurses or similar to do it |
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| 20:10.07 | dondelelcaro | the termcap is what defines the escape sequences, and programs have to use the correct ones |
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| 20:10.27 | dondelelcaro | corpulunt: I don't need it dcc'ed, but you can easily use a paste site like paste.debian.net |
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| 20:11.53 | corpulunt | http://pastebin.ca/643439 |
| 20:11.58 | corpulunt | thats a brief thing i cutted off it. |
| 20:13.04 | corpulunt | brb |
| 20:13.27 | corpulunt | dondelelcaro: see anything? |
| 20:13.46 | dondelelcaro | corpulunt: yes, it works fine here |
| 20:13.59 | databuddy | anyone know how to take a netinstall cd iso and write to flash drive so it can be booted to be installed? |
| 20:14.03 | dondelelcaro | corpulunt: you're actually calling dialog, not setting escape characters |
| 20:14.16 | viller | can I make an OS in a virtualization software persistent (save the files, settings etc...)? |
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| 20:14.28 | dondelelcaro | viller: yes. |
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| 20:14.50 | Jean11 | xingu: system totally crashed and rebooted itself |
| 20:15.04 | viller | dondelelcaro: can you give me an example of what software is capable of that? |
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| 20:15.45 | rjk | What is that code supposed to be doing, corpulunt? |
| 20:16.07 | rjk | It seems like I'm missing half of it. |
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| 20:16.21 | JeevesMoss | hello all |
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| 20:16.39 | JeevesMoss | I need a hand with embeded linux. I'm not sure where to look, so I thought I'd ask you guys |
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| 20:17.00 | Arme[N] | xingu: iceweasel crashed again with 40 opened tabs |
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| 20:17.08 | antgel | viller: can't qemu do that? |
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| 20:17.55 | viller | antgel: I don't know I'm asking you :D. I haven't used virtualization software before |
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| 20:18.15 | Jean11 | Arme[N]: why do you need so many tabs, |
| 20:18.40 | Arme[N] | xingu: in some mainboards I saw an additional power cable for agp graphic cards but my mainboard does not have that, is it related to this problem? |
| 20:19.01 | Arme[N] | Jean11: I don't need I just do that to reproduce the problem |
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| 20:19.59 | Jean11 | Arme[N] let me see if I can reproduce it |
| 20:20.41 | Arme[N] | anyway I have to do everything xingu and you Jean11 and other guys noticed again step by step may be it help to find somthing helpful |
| 20:20.45 | norc | Arme[N]: Sometimes I have over a hundred tabs without any problems. |
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| 20:21.29 | themill | Arme[N]: overheating? are you overclocked? |
| 20:21.36 | Arme[N] | norc: yeah |
| 20:21.50 | Toast | I'm looking for a SMART monitering tool for my server after I had some HDD problems. Would anyone recommend smartmontools, or if not, do you have any other suggestions? |
| 20:21.56 | Arme[N] | themill: no I didn't overclocked |
| 20:21.58 | wykis | Hi, I have nVidia MCP55 HD audio controller. I connected everything up, put alsamixer volumes to max, did 'speaker-test -c 6', but not sound came out. Any ideas what should I do? |
| 20:23.11 | JeevesMoss | anyone? embedded Linux? ideas? |
| 20:23.11 | Toast | What about embedded linux? |
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| 20:23.30 | Ronin | JeevesMoss: what about it |
| 20:23.39 | JeevesMoss | embedded linux runs on something other than a PC. |
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| 20:23.56 | Toast | yes, lots of things that arn't PC's |
| 20:24.02 | JeevesMoss | I would like to find some help finding out what version runs on my box. and before you pull www.justfuckinggoogleit.com on me, I've allready done that |
| 20:24.16 | Toast | What is your box? |
| 20:24.20 | norc | JeevesMoss: this is #debian, not ##linux ;) |
| 20:24.31 | JeevesMoss | http://www.atruereview.com/landdisk/index.php |
| 20:24.34 | themill | Arme[N]: it might be worth looking at the output of acpi -Bt over time. cat /dev/zero > /dev/null is a good way of thrashing the cpu for a while to test that too. |
| 20:24.36 | Toast | And debian runs on lots of things. |
| 20:24.42 | JeevesMoss | morc: I know that, I've allready been in there and no help |
| 20:25.01 | norc | JeevesMoss: What I meant is, that "justfuckinggoogleit" is typically something you come across in ##linux |
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| 20:25.58 | norc | that was certainly a short visit. :) |
| 20:27.11 | Arme[N] | themill: thanks, this would be useful |
| 20:27.42 | themill | Arme[N]: if you run this loop in a terminal you can watch it change with time: while true; do acpi -Bt; sleep 1; done |
| 20:27.46 | Toast | Do you know what processor it runs? |
| 20:28.07 | Toast | oops, he already left |
| 20:28.33 | norc | themill: he could also use an application like cpuburn that is designed to fire it up. |
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| 20:29.33 | Arme[N] | My X restarted! |
| 20:29.47 | Toast | Does anyone here use a hard drive status tool? I'm intrested if smartmontools is the best package to use. |
| 20:30.12 | h3sp4wn | Its the only generic one I know of |
| 20:30.27 | h3sp4wn | (other than manufacturer or scsi controller specific ones) |
| 20:30.42 | Arme[N] | themill, would you please paste that do sleep code ... |
| 20:30.55 | Arme[N] | themill: neverming I remember that |
| 20:31.29 | Arme[N] | -g +d |
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| 20:32.31 | bliss | hi |
| 20:33.09 | Arme[N] | okey I have so much things to do, thanks guys you learned me so much xingu, Jean11, norc and themill , night |
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| 20:37.01 | themill | norc: nod |
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| 20:42.33 | corpulunt | A quick question... |
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| 20:43.01 | streuner | quick answer |
| 20:43.07 | streuner | give us more details |
| 20:43.12 | corpulunt | when i log in one of our boxes through SSH (LAN) from an xterm and start scrolling down/up text on the remote box often text messes up or lines get duplicated |
| 20:43.16 | corpulunt | what could be causing it? |
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| 20:43.51 | Jean11 | I need to know what cards would work best with debian. I need to connect three screens with two PCIe slots anyone have anything working, |
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| 20:44.39 | corpulunt | any tips folks? |
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| 20:45.08 | antgel | yes, stay in the channel long enought to get an answer :D |
| 20:45.29 | Ronin | heh |
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| 20:47.35 | mindframe | can anyone recommend a good true-hardware-based raid controller? |
| 20:47.45 | mindframe | (that works well in linux) |
| 20:48.00 | thepumpkin_w | hi. I have a english ubuntu and another PC with Debian Spanish, when I take files from Debian(spanish) to ubuntu(english) ssh drops some characters, where can I set the encoding or what is the problem? |
| 20:48.09 | jwickard | anyone have any suggestions for a decent program to create a visual network map? Decent diagramming software? |
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| 20:48.33 | chops | thepumpkin_w: You can use iconv to convert files from one encoding to another |
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| 20:49.10 | xand | jwickard: maybe dia |
| 20:49.18 | thepumpkin_w | chops: The server have Spanish files, and I need to copy to my local machine but SSH saves/sends the file in the wrong encoding. |
| 20:49.23 | thepumpkin_w | *has |
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| 20:49.34 | jwickard | *decent* program :) |
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| 20:49.55 | chops | thepumpkin_w: ssh doesn't modify the encoding AFAIK. |
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| 20:50.29 | markus_ | someone know where i can take desktop graphic for cpu, and HD? I use KDE and debian |
| 20:50.41 | chops | thepumpkin_w: It sounds more to me like you're transferring a Spanish-encoded file from the Spanish-default server to the English-default client and it's displaying incorrectly in the English locale on the client. Yes? |
| 20:50.47 | Jean11 | xingu: system totally crashed and rebooted itself again |
| 20:51.07 | thepumpkin_w | chops: something like that. I do not understand what's wrong. |
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| 20:51.53 | markus_ | someone know where i can take desktop graphic for cpu, and HD? I use KDE and debian |
| 20:51.54 | chops | thepumpkin_w: I believe that the solution to that problem is to convert the file from Spanish to English when you transfer it. You could also switch to en_US.UTF-8 locale on the English machine and es_ES.UTF-8 on the Spanish machine and convert all your files to a UTF-8 encoding, but that will be a significant PITA if you have many files. |
| 20:51.59 | thepumpkin_w | chops: as the server is in spanish, some messages(like the VIM editor messages) in spanish has bad formatting. |
| 20:52.27 | thepumpkin_w | chops: all the files are PHP files. |
| 20:52.28 | chops | thepumpkin_w: Switching to UTF-8 is really the solution if that's an option |
| 20:52.38 | jos3ph | is it possible to install RAID1 on an lvm volume? |
| 20:53.07 | thepumpkin_w | So, why Zend Studio change the encoding? Stupid program:( |
| 20:53.17 | chops | thepumpkin_w: You can get the vim messages to show up okay by setting the locale on the client to the same as the Spanish machine (as well as installing it, /msg dpkg locales) |
| 20:53.51 | markus_ | someone know where i can take desktop graphic for cpu, and HD? I use KDE and debian |
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| 20:53.56 | thepumpkin_w | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:54.02 | thepumpkin_w | I did this before. |
| 20:54.06 | thepumpkin_w | does not work. |
| 20:54.19 | chops | thepumpkin_w: You have to set the locale for your account also |
| 20:54.34 | thepumpkin_w | My ubuntu is on English. |
| 20:54.52 | chops | thepumpkin_w: You may have to re-log in after setting your client locale to the same Spanish locale as the server, but once you're done that UBUNTU OH GOD please go to #ubuntu. |
| 20:55.01 | thepumpkin_w | take a look: http://paste.debian.net/33933 |
| 20:55.07 | markus_ | someone know where i can take desktop graphic for cpu, and HD? I use KDE and debian |
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| 20:55.52 | Ronin | markus_: gkrellm amongst many others |
| 20:55.52 | chops | thepumpkin_w: Switching to a UTF-8 encoding on both client and server will be the most long-term painless solution to your problem. |
| 20:55.52 | thepumpkin_w | chops: Yes. |
| 20:55.52 | ampex | jos3ph: you'd be better off using LVM on top of RAID 1 |
| 20:56.29 | thepumpkin_w | chops: I came from #ubuntu, i was thiking it was a problem with Debian SSH Server, that's the reason i'm here- |
| 20:56.44 | thepumpkin_w | chops: thanks for your help. |
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| 20:56.58 | jos3ph | ampex: I already have a volume group, so I'll have to start over and setup RAID1 first, then LVM right? |
| 20:57.01 | markus_ | Ronin gkrellm amongst ? |
| 20:57.05 | markus_ | what is it? |
| 20:57.07 | chops | thepumpkin_w: It's not a problem with either end per se -- it's just difficult to deal with mixed-locale environments. Each end is doing what it's supposed to. |
| 20:57.08 | ampex | jos3ph: correct |
| 20:57.16 | jos3ph | ampex: thanks for the sanity check :) |
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| 20:57.35 | Thaiger | I'm having a problem with apache-modconf, I have two modules that didn't come with .info files, but I created them and apache-modconf still says they don't exist. This prevents me form doing anything with apt for any apache module |
| 20:57.38 | Ronin | markus_: gkrellm amongst many others |
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| 20:57.58 | markus_ | Ronin, what? |
| 20:58.08 | Ronin | as in other apps that allow you to view drive, cpu, ram, eth usage |
| 20:58.15 | ampex | ping ampx |
| 20:58.18 | ampex | heh |
| 20:58.20 | ampex | sorry |
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| 20:58.56 | sussudio | STOP SCANNING ME WHEN I'M NOT CONNECTING TO THE BLOODY SERVER |
| 20:59.06 | thepumpkin_w | :| |
| 20:59.39 | sussudio | %fist ampex |
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| 21:05.10 | MangosDebian | sussudio: :) |
| 21:05.12 | frez | I've just installed lenny running kernel 2.6.22-1-486 x86, and it's having problem finding all my memory. It only locate 906572kb. Etch, and also lenny 64 bits version found all 2 gb of the memory. No idea where to start. |
| 21:05.34 | MangosDebian | sussudio: are they seriously randomly scanning you still? |
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| 21:06.37 | kervan | Hi. I can not delete any file with my vfat file system. Yesterday I could and I didn't do a modification but today I can't delete any data... This is my fstab http://rafb.net/p/Drr3Nf58.html Can you help me please? |
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| 21:08.06 | kervan | and I can not delete from my flashdisk too... |
| 21:08.42 | MangosDebian | kervan: uid=0000? gid=0000? auto and users? |
| 21:08.48 | sussudio | MangosDebian: yes. i firewalled them now so they get stuck. |
| 21:08.56 | sussudio | fuck em. fuck em with a fork. |
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| 21:09.57 | MangosDebian | kervan: forgetting about the uid and gid for a sec, if its auto mounted at startup, it would be a root mount and you have nothing to say what permissions users get. you probably want noauto and allow users to mount at will so they become the owner no? |
| 21:10.02 | kervan | every group and every user can own it and user=every user can mount it and auto=auto loadable driver |
| 21:10.31 | sussudio | grep 85.190.0.3 /var/log/kern.log | wc -l = 552 scans |
| 21:10.56 | MangosDebian | sussudio: that just for today with your rotate setup i assume? |
| 21:10.56 | sussudio | yes |
| 21:10.59 | MangosDebian | kervan: I hope that points you in the right direction. gl |
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| 21:11.14 | MangosDebian | sussudio: what servers you on? |
| 21:11.25 | MangosDebian | nm, ill look myself :) |
| 21:11.31 | sussudio | MangosDebian: it's freenode scanning me for some retarded reason. |
| 21:12.01 | MangosDebian | sussudio: possibly cause you have clones? |
| 21:12.24 | sussudio | clones registered to nickserv |
| 21:12.33 | sussudio | i've been on this fucking network for almost 10 years now. |
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| 21:13.15 | MangosDebian | sussudio: my only scans from that ip are from like the 25ths last month when I connected. havent been scanned since it seems |
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| 21:13.28 | sussudio | bah |
| 21:13.42 | MangosDebian | sussudio: mind you i dont use irc.freenode.net, i pick a server specifically |
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| 21:14.28 | MangosDebian | sussudio: you might wanna ask an oper about that. sounds like something is either broken or unique to you |
| 21:14.34 | MangosDebian | RichiH: ^^^^? |
| 21:14.44 | MangosDebian | bah, he's afk as usual :/ |
| 21:14.47 | MangosDebian | tomaw: ^^^^? |
| 21:14.49 | kervan | MangosDebian you mean " uid=0000 guid=0000 noauto " Right? |
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| 21:15.15 | MangosDebian | kervan: 0000 = 000 = 00 = 0 no? ;) |
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| 21:15.46 | tomaw | sussudio: /msg me with whatever the problem is :) |
| 21:16.06 | sussudio | who are you? |
| 21:16.10 | kervan | only noauto ? |
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| 21:16.13 | peregrine007__ | why doesnt ifconfig give me my gateway and dns info |
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| 21:16.25 | Ronin | he doesnt like being scanned on join to the server? that's what the big deal is? :) |
| 21:16.34 | sussudio | i didn't join the server. |
| 21:16.35 | MangosDebian | kervan: and if your gonna make it root:root, you will need a umask at least to allow EVERYONE ELSE full access, which just seems dumb. you should consider making a specific group with access if you want to keep auto |
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| 21:16.43 | tomaw | sussudio: member of freenode staff. MangosDebian highlighted me as you seem to be having some form of problem? |
| 21:16.43 | MangosDebian | sussudio: ircops |
| 21:16.59 | Ronin | sussudio: you connected to freenode correct? |
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| 21:17.17 | sussudio | Ronin: i've been connected to this server since july 21st |
| 21:17.26 | Ronin | doh |
| 21:17.35 | sussudio | tomaw: 85.190.0.3 keeps scanning me for no reason. |
| 21:17.39 | MangosDebian | he's been complaining about this for a week or two at least |
| 21:17.53 | peregrine007__ | how do i see my gateway and dns in debian, thot it was ifconfig |
| 21:17.56 | tomaw | sussudio: repeatedly whilst you're connected, or just once per connect? |
| 21:18.04 | MangosDebian | peregrine007__: route -n |
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| 21:18.09 | sussudio | tomaw: whilst i was already connected. |
| 21:18.12 | MangosDebian | peregrine007__: dns is /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:18.13 | peregrine007__ | gratzie |
| 21:18.18 | tomaw | sussudio: how many times, roughly? |
| 21:18.21 | sussudio | tomaw: 552 entries last time. |
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| 21:18.39 | tomaw | sussudio: in what period of time? |
| 21:18.40 | MangosDebian | 552 just today.... |
| 21:18.47 | tomaw | lovely. |
| 21:19.00 | tomaw | sussudio: I've seen this reported once before. I'll see what I can find out. |
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| 21:19.09 | sussudio | tomaw: 5 minutes |
| 21:19.35 | sussudio | tomaw: once at 22:19 and once again at 22:24 |
| 21:19.45 | MangosDebian | sussudio: what TZ |
| 21:19.53 | sussudio | CET? |
| 21:19.58 | sussudio | hour ago. |
| 21:19.59 | tarzeau | sussudio! |
| 21:20.32 | sussudio | tarzeau: i'm not going to send you 100MB of irclogs |
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| 21:20.34 | tomaw | sussudio: those will've corresponded to the netsplits. I am guessing you were on the other side of the split to freenode-connect (which does the proxyscan) |
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| 21:20.48 | kervan | MangosDebian: I am so sorry. I can not understand. I edited like this : http://rafb.net/p/po3VQU93.html but not work again. |
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| 21:20.49 | tomaw | but you should only have recieved a few |
| 21:20.58 | tomaw | sussudio: is it still doing it? |
| 21:21.07 | sussudio | tomaw: not for an hour |
| 21:21.07 | tarzeau | sussudio: can you provide them via rsync? |
| 21:21.12 | sussudio | tarzeau: no |
| 21:21.15 | tarzeau | sussudio: i could also download them throttled |
| 21:21.29 | tarzeau | sussudio: pity :( |
| 21:21.53 | tomaw | sussudio: okay. I'll mention it to the guys that admin that service and see if we can work out what's going wrong. |
| 21:22.00 | tomaw | sussudio: sorry for the spam... |
| 21:22.06 | MangosDebian | !spam sussudio |
| 21:22.13 | MangosDebian | bah |
| 21:22.24 | sussudio | tomaw: it looked rather aggressive in my logs. i thought i was getting DDoSed. |
| 21:22.29 | pingouin | is /var/cache/apt/archives/ the place where all the package i have installed by apt-get install , are ? if yes, how to clean it in a 'clean' way ? i guess a rm /var/cache/apt/archives/* is not a good idea |
| 21:22.37 | tomaw | sussudio: could you send me the relevant logs? |
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| 21:23.33 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
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| 21:24.33 | MangosDebian | kervan: man mount or check google for fstab samples. your problem is in your uid/gid/umask. gl |
| 21:24.35 | liber | How does debian stand on the AFL 3? Are AFL-licensed packages allowed in the main repos? (I am not really sure about how you repo-system works, so my question might be.. plain wrong= |
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| 21:24.46 | sussudio | tomaw: i'm not sure if i can |
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| 21:24.50 | embrik | what do I type in console to find out hostnames on other computers connected to the network? |
| 21:24.59 | jeward | Whic package contains "at"? |
| 21:25.10 | pingouin | nevermind, i got it in the man, apt-get clean, thanks anyway |
| 21:25.43 | Braindead | jeward: if it's installed, and I really suppose it is, dpkg -S can tell you. otherwise apt-file can tell ya |
| 21:25.44 | asg | jeward: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:26.04 | tomaw | sussudio: it is possible that it was just a fair few connection attempts from 85.190.0.3 in a short period of time? If so then that will've been the netsplits causing our proxyscan to scan you multiple times. |
| 21:26.13 | tomaw | s/it is/is it/ |
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| 21:27.11 | sussudio | ok, it sent. |
| 21:27.23 | tomaw | ta |
| 21:27.35 | MangosDebian | RichiH: nm btw when you get this, tomaw sorted it out. l8r |
| 21:27.45 | tomaw | sussudio: those are normal under the circumstances. |
| 21:27.48 | tomaw | sussudio: mind if I /msg? |
| 21:28.02 | sussudio | tomaw: why? |
| 21:28.05 | jeward | asg: That returns several hundred packages. |
| 21:28.16 | tomaw | sussudio: only to explain why they're normal and leave #debian free of the problem :) |
| 21:28.33 | asg | jeward: you didn't read the whole factoid |
| 21:28.45 | sussudio | tomaw: i'm no longer logging scans from that IP and have changed the policy from DENY to REJECT. |
| 21:28.58 | tomaw | That's fine :) |
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| 21:29.18 | MangosDebian | DENY? or DROP? |
| 21:29.19 | embrik | can I find out hostnames on computers on my private network |
| 21:29.53 | MangosDebian | embrik: without dns, check their hostname file |
| 21:29.56 | sussudio | MangosDebian: i'm still using ipchains |
| 21:30.01 | nelf | embrik: I look at the labels on the front of mine |
| 21:30.09 | asg | jeward: if you got the right bit (i.e., apt-file search <foo>) then it's easy to narrow down the search by using apt-file search bin/at. It will return a few false positives but the right one will be there. |
| 21:30.15 | MangosDebian | sussudio: ?! wow. get with the times :p |
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| 21:30.30 | sussudio | MangosDebian: it works, why would i change it? |
| 21:30.44 | sussudio | Linux router 2.2.25 #1 Wed Sep 29 03:35:05 CEST 2004 i586 GNU/Linux |
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| 21:30.44 | TauPan | hi, in aptitude, how can I match installed packages whose currently installed version came from a certain distribution? '~i ~Aexperimental' only gives me all installed packages that are *available* on experimental |
| 21:30.50 | MangosDebian | sussudio: well, if you dont need the extra functionailty, fine. at least its better than ipfwadm |
| 21:31.06 | tomaw | sussudio: basically, those logs are a result of netsplits at the time as I predicted. If you've adjusted your firewall to reject those scans then that's fine. :) |
| 21:31.06 | sussudio | MangosDebian: it's a p166mmx |
| 21:31.06 | MangosDebian | sussudio: hmm, that your pisg box by chance? |
| 21:31.12 | sussudio | MangosDebian: no. |
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| 21:31.20 | Braindead | sussudio: it's like running around in a ford model-t. "it still runs" but you miss interesting features like AC and electric windows and such... |
| 21:31.31 | asg | sussudio: I'm running a 2.6.18 etch kernel on my slug which is less powerful than that :p |
| 21:31.33 | sussudio | Braindead: no i'm not. |
| 21:31.41 | Braindead | sussudio: and yes, you can use netfilter-iptables on that HW |
| 21:31.41 | MangosDebian | Braindead: good analagy :) |
| 21:31.46 | MangosDebian | o* |
| 21:31.49 | embrik | MangosDebian: Yes, but it is possible to find hostnames without being on the actual computer? |
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| 21:32.11 | MangosDebian | embrik: ssh i guess. |
| 21:32.15 | nelf | Braindead: Hang on - I haven't got A/C on any of my vehicles, or electric windows, and I'm quite modern! |
| 21:32.33 | MangosDebian | embrik: any service that advertises its hostname you could use. but normally thats a dns thing |
| 21:32.35 | Braindead | nelf: try to get the point. conntracking alone is worth the switch |
| 21:32.42 | embrik | MangosDebian: Yes, but then I need the hostname :-) |
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| 21:32.53 | MangosDebian | embrik: no, just an ip |
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| 21:33.24 | nelf | Braindead: Yeah - I got 2.6 kernels on all my machines, I'm just saying that not having A/C + leccy windows doesn't mean your behing the times |
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| 21:34.21 | embrik | MangosDebian: You're right. But I would like to find out the IP's on all computers on my private network by using a command on one of the computers. |
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| 21:34.39 | asg | embrik: use nmap |
| 21:34.41 | MangosDebian | nelf: there is a different between a brand new luxury car and a brand new, top of the line, high performance, highly tuned F1 race car :) |
| 21:34.53 | Braindead | nelf: don't tell me you don't miss those conforts, sometimes. and btw a 2.4 kernel should do the job... Rusty did a wonderful job on netfilter, let's praise him |
| 21:35.14 | nelf | Braindead: I hear ya! |
| 21:35.34 | nelf | MangosDebian: I got heated wing-mirrors on by truck - I'm a contender! |
| 21:35.41 | nelf | No A/C though :( |
| 21:35.42 | MangosDebian | embrik: ahh ok, thats what i though. ettercap can do that. but basically you have no guarentees if the machine is firewalling you. just send bcast packets and watch for arp's using arp command for sniffer |
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| 21:35.57 | Braindead | praaaaaaaaaise Rusty |o| let's all do the netfilter dance \o\ |o| /o/ |
| 21:36.09 | MangosDebian | s/for/or/ |
| 21:36.51 | MangosDebian | Braindead: hmm, looks like a maple leaf :) \o\|o|/o/ |
| 21:37.13 | Braindead | or a crazy preacher waving his arms |
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| 21:38.00 | embrik | MangosDebian: Thanks |
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| 21:38.40 | Toast | I have a very broken server. |
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| 21:39.53 | maxamillion | has anyone in here ever had issues with openbox in etch not acknowledging their autostart.sh? (using gdm to login if that matters) |
| 21:40.01 | nelf | Thats a shame, toast, whats the problem |
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| 21:40.19 | frez | I've just installed lenny running kernel 2.6.22-1-486 x86, and it's having problem finding all my memory. It only locate 906572kb. Etch, and also lenny 64 bits version found all 2 gb of the memory. No idea where to start. Anyone have any suggestions? |
| 21:40.53 | Toast | nelf: I had a hard drive problem. Two of my partitions got really messed up, and another one seems to be missing a load of files |
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| 21:41.21 | stew | frez: install a -686 kernel instead of -486 |
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| 21:41.34 | Toast | I lot the entire contence of /tmp (not such a big loss) /var seems to have been recovered, but /usr is missing loads of files. |
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| 21:42.06 | MangosDebian | Toast: /tmp always gets erased fyi |
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| 21:42.25 | stew | (depending on TMPTIME in /etc/default/rcS) |
| 21:42.29 | frez | stew: Ahh, thanks :D |
| 21:42.39 | Toast | Maggos: thats reasureing... |
| 21:43.40 | Toast | tmp and var needed a reiserfsck --rebuild-tree |
| 21:44.03 | Toast | usr seemed to come up on it's own, but I seem to be missing a load of libraries |
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| 21:44.47 | MangosDebian | Toast: sounds like reiser went on a killing spree on your fs's *ducks* |
| 21:44.58 | Toast | groan... |
| 21:46.39 | Toast | There is loads of stuff under lost and found :( |
| 21:46.50 | xingu | Toast: never mind, I'm sure you can easily restore from your backups right? |
| 21:46.52 | MangosDebian | not good |
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| 21:47.47 | abrotman | simonrvn: ping |
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| 21:48.09 | Toast | xingu: there isn't anything on the server worth spending the money on mirroring 3/4 TB of data, but I don't relish the work of rebuilding it. |
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| 21:48.53 | irule | Ive done this http://www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/161/211/ and http://www.debiantutorials.org/talkitup/index.php?topic=166.0%22 but I still have no sound on Etch! what else is there to do? the recording level monitor asks me to run esd, I can but there is no response and still no sound |
| 21:48.59 | HSorgYves | good evening, can i specify the location of a .theme file inside a .desktop file? |
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| 21:49.14 | lindenl1 | Does anyone know how to solve "User Uknown" from sendmail when mail for a user defined in LDAP is recieved? |
| 21:49.17 | MangosDebian | Toast: surely a spindle or two of DL dvd's is all you need for the initial full backup no? |
| 21:49.27 | Toast | heheh |
| 21:49.40 | MangosDebian | im talking 50 stack too btw :) |
| 21:49.43 | Toast | should find be available to a bash shell? |
| 21:50.01 | MangosDebian | its not a buillt in no |
| 21:50.11 | MangosDebian | Toast: /usr/bin/find |
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| 21:50.49 | xingu | you could probably write it as an alias if you were bored. |
| 21:50.57 | Toast | intresting... permission denied. I'm logged on as root! |
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| 21:51.07 | Toast | find used to work before the crash |
| 21:51.19 | chops | Toast: Not that this helps you now, but... resier is not the right FS to use for 3-4 TB of data with no backups |
| 21:51.50 | valdyn | !backups |
| 21:51.51 | dpkg | I don't need no steenkin backups However, I'm sure at least two other mes in parallel dimensions do, so I'm probably good to go. Hopefully the other mes in the other dimensions aren't counting on me to keep backups. Those idiots. <SlayerXP> there are two types of people in this world, those who take my advice regarding RAID and backups, and those who cry when they lose their data |
| 21:52.00 | xingu | chops: people don't believe you when you tell them that in advance and don't appreciate it when you tell them after the fact, I find. :) |
| 21:52.06 | MangosDebian | hey guys, whats the equiv of this: dpkg --get-selections | xargs apt-get install --reinstall |
| 21:52.07 | zea | I created my CV with an official openoffice template (.odt) from the EU website, using open office 2.0 under windows. now I'm trying to update it on etch amd64 with the "same" (minor might be diff) version of open office, except the fonts are much bigger. what's wrong? (dpi is at 96) |
| 21:52.24 | obnauticus | Does anyone here have a suggestion about how one would go about writing a file to have the pc speaker beep when the host is ready to be used... |
| 21:52.36 | obnauticus | Because, I need to reboot my servers sometimes, and I need to know when it's up and ready.. |
| 21:52.37 | Toast | actually, the user areas are raid 1 |
| 21:52.53 | xingu | obnauticus: rc.local, play an ogg |
| 21:52.56 | Toast | chops: the large data area is XFS |
| 21:53.03 | obnauticus | xingu the pc speaker? |
| 21:53.04 | MangosDebian | Toast: did the user areas survive? |
| 21:53.09 | Toast | and it's video for my mythtv system. |
| 21:53.23 | xingu | obnauticus: rc.local, beep |
| 21:53.27 | obnauticus | word |
| 21:53.28 | valdyn | Toast: there's no fs that can spare you backups |
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| 21:54.00 | obnauticus | xingu what's the kernel module for the pc speaker called? |
| 21:54.22 | MangosDebian | pcspkr or somethig |
| 21:54.23 | xingu | obnauticus: pcspkr |
| 21:54.28 | obnauticus | thanks :) |
| 21:54.29 | Toast | Mango: yes, they did. |
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| 21:54.50 | obnauticus | shi*t |
| 21:54.52 | su-hoens`rZ | Is there any known issues with detecting multiple sata drives for installation? |
| 21:54.52 | obnauticus | gotta reboot my firewal |
| 21:54.52 | Toast | Though there was nothing too important on them. |
| 21:54.53 | obnauticus | brb |
| 21:54.59 | valdyn | !reinstall |
| 21:54.59 | dpkg | somebody said reinstall was COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
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| 21:55.04 | su-hoens`rZ | s/is/are |
| 21:55.04 | valdyn | MangosDebian: that ^^ ? |
| 21:55.09 | xingu | obnauticus: http://www.geocities.com/stssppnn/pcsp.html <-- yes, ogg on pc speaker. |
| 21:55.18 | lindenl1 | anyone know a good reference for sendmail on a system where users are stored in ldap? |
| 21:55.19 | MangosDebian | valdyn: thanks |
| 21:55.23 | Toast | I'm more annoyed about the work rebuilding everything than the data lost |
| 21:55.35 | MangosDebian | Toast: ^^^^ try that reinstall line. at least get yourself to a working system if you can |
| 21:55.49 | xingu | Toast: tip - don't use reiserfs the next time around :) |
| 21:55.56 | Toast | The result of listing /usr/bin is funny. |
| 21:56.27 | valdyn | xingu: the other fs dont really change the issue |
| 21:56.34 | Toast | valdyn, thanks |
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| 21:56.59 | msingh | is there any easy to setup, straight forward to use, vnc server to recommend? |
| 21:57.00 | Toast | I think the problem is just a very old hard drive that I shouldn't have even put in the box. |
| 21:57.11 | xingu | valdyn: hmm, not sure I'd agree; the reiser on-disk structures are far more prone to collosal data loss in my experience. |
| 21:57.24 | valdyn | Toast: power outages tend to produce this |
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| 21:57.39 | Toast | (hda 120gb hdc 20gb <-- caused the problem + others which are ok) |
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| 21:57.58 | Toast | valdyn, I got a good ups and the power has not been down. |
| 21:58.08 | Toast | It's just an old drive. |
| 21:58.18 | MangosDebian | Toast: install SMART tools? maybe its on way out and telling you (or trying) |
| 21:58.47 | abrotman | or already did |
| 21:59.01 | MangosDebian | abrotman! |
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| 21:59.40 | AciD | since one week when kde screensaver comes up, it use 100% cpu (debian testing, kdelib version 4:3.5.7.dfsg.1-1). Is there a known workaround ? |
| 21:59.43 | Toast | Mango: was attempting that (actually my first question tonight was about those).. Aptitude is missing all it's signitures though with won't stop it, but is a little scarry |
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| 22:00.15 | MangosDebian | Toast: "apt-key list" have anything? |
| 22:00.23 | TrueDD | gn all |
| 22:00.26 | antgel | AciD: what does the bts say? |
| 22:00.38 | abrotman | stop using a screensaver ... |
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| 22:01.10 | dondelelcaro | AciD: the solution is to use a different screensaver |
| 22:01.11 | ndo | hey, guys! ;) euhm, i have a question. If u install fresh Ubuntu 7.04, and dubble click on mp3 file there is automatic codecs download. Video hardware autodetection is also nice. So.. Does Debian also have this feature? or is it unique for Ubuntu?:) |
| 22:01.14 | Toast | Mango: gpg: error whil loading shared libraries: libzso.1: etc... |
| 22:01.33 | antgel | ndo: i don't think it's in debian |
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| 22:02.01 | valdyn | ndo: similar, there's no auto codec download thing |
| 22:02.09 | antgel | however i think xorg in debian does detect your video card |
| 22:02.11 | MangosDebian | s/tab/nick/ |
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| 22:02.24 | ndo | antgel: euhm, i think also like this. okay, thx :P |
| 22:02.40 | irule | Ive done this http://www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/161/211/ and http://www.debiantutorials.org/talkitup/index.php?topic=166.0%22 but I still have no sound on Etch! what else is there to do? the recording level monitor asks me to run esd, I can but there is no response and still no sound on a fresh new debian etch |
| 22:03.20 | AciD | dondelelcaro > I specificaly use -blank screen- in order to, normaly, don t use too much cpu though :\ |
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| 22:04.02 | AciD | antgel > it says nothing interresting, see http://bugs.kde.org/simple_search.cgi?id=screensaver+cpu |
| 22:04.04 | ndo | valdyn: how u mean, no auto codec download thing? if i install fresh 7.04 and i dubble klick on mp3 file there pops up a message of me willing to download codecs for it, yes/no. ... |
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| 22:04.31 | antgel | AciD: no thanks, i believe you :) |
| 22:04.38 | Toast | I think I'm going to have to come back to this another day... |
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| 22:05.02 | dondelelcaro | AciD: oh, you mean it's doing it even with blank screen? Weird. There should be a bug report about it then |
| 22:05.13 | AciD | yep |
| 22:05.47 | dondelelcaro | (and if not, you should file it) |
| 22:05.55 | MangosDebian | Toast: reinstall is my advice. assuming your bulk of data is on seperate fs, things should be easy |
| 22:06.03 | ndo | valdyn: okay, i know it now, its an ubuntu thing. nevermind ;) |
| 22:06.03 | dondelelcaro | stracing the screensaver may help, as will sending it a SEGV |
| 22:06.12 | dondelelcaro | (or a QUIT or whatever) |
| 22:06.33 | Toast | Thanks for the help... Just going to have to live with a week getting everything going again! |
| 22:06.51 | Toast | Hope it's not too hard getting my raid's and lvms recognised. |
| 22:07.07 | Toast | anyway, night all |
| 22:07.12 | obnauticus | night? |
| 22:07.30 | antgel | !night |
| 22:07.30 | dpkg | gnight |
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| 22:19.33 | capiira | hmm anyone know a way to auto regenerate the source.list like the installer do ? |
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| 22:21.24 | stew | capiira: there is apt-spy and and netselect-apt that will choose mirrors based on speed, but nothing to help you manually create it |
| 22:21.41 | capiira | i mean auto yeah |
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| 22:22.19 | stew | capiira: there is nothing similar to the installer's "choose from this list" method |
| 22:22.28 | capiira | ahh ok |
| 22:22.40 | capiira | and something web based? |
| 22:22.47 | dondelelcaro | yeah, apt-setup may make a comeback, but someone would have to write it |
| 22:22.50 | capiira | for copy and paste |
| 22:22.54 | dondelelcaro | !mirrors |
| 22:22.55 | dpkg | it has been said that debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 22:23.16 | stew | !sources.list |
| 22:23.17 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 22:23.18 | dondelelcaro | capiira: you can just take the mirrors from there, prepend 'deb' and append 'etch main'; to configure your sources.list |
| 22:23.30 | capiira | ahh ok |
| 22:23.49 | capiira | thanks |
| 22:23.49 | dondelelcaro | capiira: see what dpkg said above as well. |
| 22:23.51 | dondelelcaro | np |
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| 22:23.55 | CactusMD | !beryl |
| 22:23.55 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager) |
| 22:23.56 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 22:24.06 | Ace2016 | does sid have kde4 beta1 packages? |
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| 22:24.13 | Ace2016 | yet |
| 22:24.21 | stew | someone, around here, maybe formerer was talking about maybe tackling a new apt-setup |
| 22:24.35 | Ace2016 | what would it do? |
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| 22:25.34 | dondelelcaro | stew: yeah, I was talking about it a long time ago; basically though it should have whatever builds the udeb which contains it now also build a .deb which contains it |
| 22:25.41 | stew | Ace2016: what would apt-setup do? help you build a sources.list by choosing a mirror from a list. sarge had such functionality |
| 22:25.53 | Ace2016 | i would love a command called ubotu for ubuntu, then you could do stuff like, ubotu install and ubotu update and just stuff apt-get and dpkg commands do now |
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| 22:28.32 | Ace2016 | where could i ask for ubotu to be a new app in the new version +1 ? |
| 22:28.42 | drbair | I keep getting errors in my log like so: "cron[31938]: segfault at 0000000000000000 rip 0000000000000000 rsp 00007fff8305b4e8 error 14". This happens each and everytime cron has something to do. I ran it through strace and got this: http://pastebin.ca/642903. Etch AMD64 |
| 22:28.56 | Ace2016 | oh wait wrong channel |
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| 22:33.09 | tcsetattr | strace usually won't be the right tool for debugging a segfault. |
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| 22:34.05 | drbair | tcsetattr: recommendations? |
| 22:34.49 | somian[0] | electricfence? |
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| 22:35.32 | tcsetattr | cron is sort of a difficult case |
| 22:35.39 | pingouin | ls |
| 22:35.44 | pingouin | opps |
| 22:35.51 | tcsetattr | is it the main process that's segfaulting? or a child? |
| 22:35.56 | drbair | the child |
| 22:36.01 | drbair | every single one |
| 22:36.43 | tcsetattr | can you get it to leave a core dump and backtrace it with gdb? |
| 22:37.25 | drbair | would I be able to do that with a child process? |
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| 22:38.12 | tcsetattr | anything that segfaults should leave a core if the coredump is enabled. the trouble is you'll be getting a lot of them |
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| 22:39.50 | drbair | assuming this is the only thing segfaulting, its about 1 every 10 minutes usually until the nightly jobs run |
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| 22:40.54 | tcsetattr | on the other hand you might be able to attach gdb to the main cron process, tell it to follow the child when a fork occurs, and then get the backtrace while the process is still live |
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| 22:41.26 | benny_ | hi |
| 22:41.34 | benny_ | I'm having problems using hamachi |
| 22:41.40 | benny_ | I can't ping anybody on the network |
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| 22:42.03 | BadHorsie | i'm not on a debian right now, do you know if 2.6.20 is available for lenny? |
| 22:42.14 | benny_ | it always result in a "destination host unreachable" although "hamachi list" shows their IPs and I can ping myself |
| 22:42.59 | tcsetattr | anybody besides benny know what a hamachi is? |
| 22:43.00 | BadHorsie | traceroute IP could give you a hint |
| 22:43.03 | matthew2 | ~/part |
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| 22:43.15 | benny_ | tcsetattr, a VPN Client |
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| 22:44.03 | ozatomic^ | i ahve installed apache and apache2 and for some reason it always loads acpahe at startup how can i change it so it wont start apache on start |
| 22:44.10 | jelly | BadHorsie: there's 2.6.21 in testing, and 2.6.22 in unstable |
| 22:44.47 | jelly | !info linux-image-2.6-686 testing |
| 22:44.53 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: (Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.21+8 (lenny), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
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| 22:45.20 | BadHorsie | thanks |
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| 22:45.55 | edju | How do I stop dhclient from running at boot - rather do it manually. |
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| 22:46.26 | jelly | tcsetattr: a nonfree vpn client, even. Binaries only I think |
| 22:46.39 | benny_ | jelly, it's free, but binary |
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| 22:46.44 | benny_ | jelly, whatever |
| 22:46.53 | BadHorsie | jelly... not sure if this is what you are asking for: update-rc.d -f apache remove; that will remove the startup scripts from the rcs (or you can rename the files (just don't let it start with S (capital S))) |
| 22:46.57 | jelly | benny_: it costs $0, but is not free software. |
| 22:47.25 | BadHorsie | edju: you can alter /etc/network/interfaces to have a permanent IP thus dhcp won't try to run at boot time |
| 22:47.52 | BadHorsie | edju: man 5 interfaces should do the trick |
| 22:47.56 | jelly | BadHorsie: that would be someone else |
| 22:48.22 | BadHorsie | heh. that was ozatomic^, lol, sorry jellhy |
| 22:48.25 | BadHorsie | -h, jesh. |
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| 22:49.02 | edju | BadHorsie, Without a static IP?? |
| 22:49.43 | BadHorsie | so you just don't want it to run or have network conectivity at all? |
| 22:50.06 | BadHorsie | i wonder if removing the entry in /etc/network/interfaces will do the trick, sounds odd, let's see what google says |
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| 22:50.31 | test2 | anyone know a debian package for this ? http://www.gnome-dock.org/trac/wiki |
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| 22:51.26 | ozatomic^ | BadHorsie: Thanks that work |
| 22:51.33 | test2 | i mean something 'like' this |
| 22:51.54 | edju | BadHorsie, I'd rather start networking manually. Right now, I've come as far as no network after boot, but dhclient takes forever trying to get an IP. |
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| 22:53.07 | somian[0] | Isn't 'pump' still an alternative to dhclient? |
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| 22:53.35 | BadHorsie | !info sysv-rc-conf |
| 22:53.41 | dpkg | sysv-rc-conf: (SysV init runlevel configuration tool for the terminal), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.99-6 (sid), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
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| 22:54.13 | somian[0] | Thar ye goo, edju |
| 22:54.46 | somian[0] | That's 'ow to rassle that ther varmint. |
| 22:55.02 | BadHorsie | edju: with that program you can easily edit dhclient ON or OFF at boot time, of i guess you can also go to update-rc.d -f dhclient remove |
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| 22:55.45 | BadHorsie | or even worse, udpate-rc.d -f networking remove, haha |
| 22:57.11 | NicNac | Horses like oats! |
| 22:58.14 | somian[0] | Horse-eat-oats-and-does-eat-oats-but-little-lambs-eat-ivy |
| 22:58.37 | somian[0] | ...wouldn't you? |
| 22:59.01 | NicNac | I suppose so |
| 22:59.01 | BadHorsie | hahaha |
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| 23:03.50 | drbair | ok... trying to get a coredump. ulimit -c unlimited then I run cron, let it die... where does the core run to? |
| 23:04.01 | rahul | ManGoatDebian |
| 23:04.31 | BleSS | Hi! I'm trying to removing Nginx but it isn't possible - http://paste2.org/p/5464 |
| 23:04.43 | BleSS | any help to remove it? |
| 23:06.50 | BadHorsie | BleSS: i guess you could use a force... wonder why nginx is not accepting a "stop", try manually /etc/init.d/nginx stop and see what it retusn |
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| 23:10.08 | BleSS | When I stop it manually '/etc/init.d/nginx stop', and run 'apt-get remove nginx' it's started automatically - I check with 'sudo lsof -i' |
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| 23:10.26 | chizang | is there a git repo for the etch kernel? |
| 23:10.28 | Mazingaro | damme un consiglio |
| 23:10.50 | BleSS | and I get the same error |
| 23:10.54 | chizang | i have a machine that is hanging on boot after upgrading to etch; i want to perform a git bisect |
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| 23:11.57 | krazykit | chizang, debian patches the kernel |
| 23:12.14 | gt|silent | I'm getting Error 17 from grub after a clean install on a sata drive |
| 23:12.31 | BleSS | BadHorsie: and '--force-yes' doesn't help |
| 23:13.02 | chizang | krazykit: hm, ok |
| 23:13.28 | BleSS | is there any way to delete manually a package? |
| 23:13.29 | chizang | krazykit: maybe i'll just start with an upstream bisect |
| 23:13.31 | edju | BadHorsie, You were right - it was network interfaces- just commented out the wireless stuff and voila! Course you knew that. Thanks again. |
| 23:14.07 | BadHorsie | BleSS: hum... if you just wanna get rid of it i guess you can kill the process returned by ps -ef | grep nginx; then cat /dev/null > /etc/init.d/nginx; then again apt-get remove it |
| 23:14.16 | BadHorsie | edju: np |
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| 23:14.53 | BadHorsie | also make sure ls -l /etc/init.d/nginx returns execute permissions |
| 23:15.26 | BleSS | BadHorsie: yes, it's executable |
| 23:15.27 | pingouin | is there any gui to use tar ? |
| 23:15.27 | tcsetattr | zap the prerm script too |
| 23:16.13 | BadHorsie | BleSS: try > /etc/init.d/nginx; and then the apt-get remove, it shouldn't complain anymore about the daemon. |
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| 23:17.42 | BadHorsie | i've never seen a GUI for tar... |
| 23:17.54 | Eclipser | file-roller? |
| 23:17.55 | BadHorsie | i guess gnome has a front end of it, as well as KDE... |
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| 23:19.14 | BleSS | BadHorsie: thanks! it has been solved with '> /etc/init.d/nginx' |
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| 23:19.34 | BadHorsie | BleSS: good to know :) |
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| 23:20.03 | BleSS | for any reason the script runs '/etc/init.d/nginx start' when you want remove it |
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| 23:20.19 | helo_ | i installed the driver 1.0-9631 on this debian box, and X started crashing immediately on startup until i commented out the glx module loading |
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| 23:20.24 | helo_ | sorry, nvidia |
| 23:20.28 | BleSS | s/any reason/any bug/ |
| 23:20.31 | helo_ | when i ldconfig, i get a lot of errors about "/usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start." |
| 23:20.44 | BadHorsie | haha |
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| 23:21.22 | Angeluz | help me |
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| 23:21.43 | Angeluz | necesito un canal de debian en espaņol |
| 23:21.49 | Angeluz | por favor! |
| 23:22.10 | tcsetattr | #debian-es ? |
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| 23:23.44 | Angeluz | gracias |
| 23:25.05 | simonrvn | helo_: re-install it. looks like it's file corruption |
| 23:25.16 | simonrvn | possible file corruption |
| 23:25.41 | helo_ | simonrvn: i've reinstalled the driver multiple times, and even reinstalled debian completely |
| 23:26.02 | helo_ | been using the nvidia binary driver since it's been available for linux, and i'm not doing anything different |
| 23:26.19 | simonrvn | helo_: that's not a driver, that's a library |
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| 23:26.49 | helo_ | well, the driver comes with custom libraries... |
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| 23:28.35 | helo_ | i installed from the nvidia script... only because it has always worked well int he past... if i install the driver according to dpkg's instructions, should it overwrite everything the script did? or do i need to try to uninstall the files from the nvidia script first? |
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| 23:30.02 | simonrvn | remove first |
| 23:30.36 | helo_ | hmm... okie dokie wish me luck |
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| 23:31.37 | simonrvn | gl |
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| 23:31.44 | S4nD3r | so |
| 23:32.02 | S4nD3r | I removed some programms, but it appears in my menu... how delete it? |
| 23:32.20 | simonrvn | --purge |
| 23:32.25 | S4nD3r | I did |
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| 23:32.35 | S4nD3r | but the item is in menu |
| 23:32.44 | simonrvn | update-menus as user |
| 23:33.03 | aarcane | hi, to let my k6/2 system participate in a distcc cluster for i686 CPUs, what packages do I need to install ? |
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| 23:34.00 | aarcane | K6/2 is, as far as I know, an i586 CPU only, since it won't boot an i686 mastered CD |
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| 23:34.54 | simonrvn | well same arch, doesn't matter much. haven't done that per se, distcc docs should have how to setup the hosts in the cluster |
| 23:35.24 | aarcane | simonrvn, they only have how to configure it to work, not which packages must be present sadly |
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| 23:36.00 | rahul | oh my goodness |
| 23:36.09 | rahul | assbadger is randomly popping up menus |
| 23:36.18 | rahul | %bear simonrvn |
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| 23:36.40 | aarcane | o,.,0 |
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| 23:36.43 | S4nD3r | I came back |
| 23:36.47 | aarcane | you debian people have some ODD package names... |
| 23:36.53 | aarcane | assbadger ? |
| 23:36.54 | S4nD3r | the menu is with deleted programms |
| 23:36.59 | jelly-home | %panda rahul |
| 23:37.17 | aarcane | iceape ? |
| 23:37.18 | rahul | assrape |
| 23:37.23 | jelly-home | oh.... bear is a panda one |
| 23:37.39 | rahul | panda is a bear two |
| 23:37.43 | dvs | !info iceape |
| 23:37.47 | dpkg | iceape: (The Iceape Internet Suite), section web, is optional. Version: 1.1.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 23:38.10 | jelly-home | rahul: someone ate my porridge, too! |
| 23:38.52 | rahul | heh |
| 23:39.27 | krazykit | that's dirty. |
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| 23:40.05 | rahul | cleaner? |
| 23:40.15 | jelly-home | krazykit: echo 1 >> /proc/sys/flush_krazykit_buffers |
| 23:40.46 | S4nD3r | my debian is crazy |
| 23:40.47 | krazykit | ah, much better |
| 23:40.55 | S4nD3r | openoffice do not opens files anymor |
| 23:40.58 | S4nD3r | anymore |
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| 23:41.26 | krazykit | no error, S4nD3r? |
| 23:41.32 | S4nD3r | no error |
| 23:41.35 | S4nD3r | just crash |
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| 23:41.49 | krazykit | S4nD3r, have you tried reinstalling the package? |
| 23:42.02 | S4nD3r | yes |
| 23:42.03 | S4nD3r | I tried |
| 23:42.15 | krazykit | how about removing the openoffice config from your home directory? |
| 23:42.28 | krazykit | .openoffice.org2 |
| 23:42.33 | krazykit | well |
| 23:42.35 | krazykit | moving it, rather |
| 23:43.21 | S4nD3r | I did |
| 23:43.25 | S4nD3r | too |
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| 23:44.47 | S4nD3r | I removed now using synaptic |
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| 23:44.59 | babilen | S4nD3r: try starting it from the command line. You will get debug output there. |
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| 23:45.48 | S4nD3r | apt-get install openoffice.org ??? |
| 23:45.55 | drbair | ok... trying to get a coredump. 'ulimit -c unlimited' then I run cron, let it die... where does the core run to? |
| 23:46.20 | dondelelcaro | drbair: whatever cwd is of the process that dumps core |
| 23:46.30 | dondelelcaro | drbair: assuming that the process actually can write to that directory. |
| 23:47.10 | S4nD3r | Where is the .deb files ? |
| 23:47.15 | S4nD3r | Used for apt-get |
| 23:47.17 | S4nD3r | I forgot |
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| 23:48.46 | helo_ | ok... that uninstall didn't go so well... X just locks everything up now |
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| 23:49.06 | drbair | dondelelcaro: its cron... so it should run as root |
| 23:49.26 | tcsetattr | ls -l /proc/`pidof cron`/cwd to find out |
| 23:49.46 | babilen | S4nD3r: /var/cache/apt/archives/ .. but what are you trying to do? |
| 23:50.22 | S4nD3r | I will try to install openoffice again |
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| 23:50.45 | S4nD3r | ok |
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| 23:50.54 | S4nD3r | now it will be downloaded |
| 23:50.58 | babilen | S4nD3r: how will locating the .deb file help you with that? are you planning to use dselect? |
| 23:51.09 | ozatomic^ | how can i debug why this has all of a sudden happened 'rm: cannot remove `ymca-backup-20070718.tar': Read-only file system' |
| 23:51.10 | S4nD3r | I hope this come back to works again |
| 23:51.19 | helo_ | ahh... i forgot that i have an onboard video card (nvidia) as well |
| 23:51.22 | S4nD3r | a deleted the files openoffice* |
| 23:51.32 | babilen | S4nD3r: what is the difference? if there was a file corruption it would have been detected by apt-get/aptitude |
| 23:51.36 | helo_ | the configure script was putting the wrong device bus in xorg.conf |
| 23:51.42 | S4nD3r | ummmm |
| 23:51.46 | S4nD3r | strange |
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| 23:52.04 | BadHorsie | ozatomic^: take a look at /etc/fstab for the file system you're in. |
| 23:52.30 | babilen | S4nD3r: have you started oowriter or whatever program you are trying to run from the command line? |
| 23:52.31 | liable | ozatomic^: usually because you have a problem with the fs, run a fsck and remount rw |
| 23:52.49 | tcsetattr | filesystems spontaneously becoming readonly can be because of disk errors, in which case the kernel log will tell you |
| 23:52.58 | BadHorsie | if it's NTFS and you're below 2.6.20 then it's better to leave it ro. if you're up to 2.6.20 or later and you wanna be a ranger go set it rw :P |
| 23:53.10 | S4nD3r | this works |
| 23:53.17 | S4nD3r | but do not opens any file |
| 23:53.22 | S4nD3r | any |
| 23:53.42 | drbair | tsc |
| 23:53.54 | babilen | S4nD3r: try oowriter <file> |
| 23:54.04 | S4nD3r | oh |
| 23:54.12 | S4nD3r | now I deleted the .deb files |
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| 23:54.22 | S4nD3r | tha removed the installation using --purge |
| 23:54.38 | S4nD3r | I will have sometime to finish download |
| 23:54.52 | CactusMD | !etch-->lenny |
| 23:55.03 | CactusMD | !etch->lenny |
| 23:55.03 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
| 23:55.04 | drbair | tcsetattr: good call... cwd is /var/spool/cron which is devoid of core dumps. Would the cores possibly dump to the cwd of the child? I tried a find on / for cores but didn't find any |
| 23:55.30 | simonrvn | drbair: yes |
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| 23:55.36 | CactusMD | !etch->sid |
| 23:55.53 | antgel | !iyhtays |
| 23:55.53 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 23:56.22 | helo_ | how do i know the BusID of my video card from the output of lspci? i have one video card (onboard) in lspci shwon as 00:05.0, which is PCI:0:5:0... the one i want to use is 03:00.0... is that PCI:3:0:0? |
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| 23:57.47 | helo_ | hahaha... dpkg's response to "busid" works in many situations, but needs to mention the caveat of having multiple video cards... |
| 23:58.03 | antgel | so fix it |
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| 23:59.04 | helo_ | well, i was asking him about busid because i don't know how to properly determine the busid from lspci output... looking for such info using "links" from the console kinda sucks |
| 23:59.27 | antgel | i mean fix the factoid |
| 23:59.27 | ryanCH_ | when linux loads it automatically loads the X11, how do i make it so it doesn't, so i can just do "startx" is wanted??? |
| 23:59.37 | antgel | !nodm |
| 23:59.37 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
