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| 00:01.50 | ryanCH_ | one more thing, what is the command that lets you change your desktop, gnome to kde? |
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| 00:02.36 | helo_ | antgel: i don't know the answer, so i can't correct the factoid |
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| 00:03.29 | gray-matt | hello? |
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| 00:04.32 | tester1055 | can debian be ok to run as a desktop ? |
| 00:04.42 | gray-matt | yes, doing so right now |
| 00:04.46 | tester1055 | KDE? |
| 00:04.49 | gray-matt | yes |
| 00:04.53 | gray-matt | although I use GNOME |
| 00:04.55 | tester1055 | what version ? |
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| 00:04.58 | tester1055 | hmmm |
| 00:05.01 | gray-matt | hmm... hang on... |
| 00:05.10 | tester1055 | i mena does lenny have a newer version ? |
| 00:05.32 | tester1055 | i like debian out of all distros the only damn one that keeps thing simple |
| 00:05.40 | gray-matt | no lie |
| 00:05.59 | tester1055 | kubuntu was hell |
| 00:06.18 | gray-matt | um, the debian version of the kde package is 5:47, although I am not sure how that translates to the actual KDE version |
| 00:06.30 | tester1055 | i see |
| 00:06.33 | phogg | gray-matt: do't look at the merta package |
| 00:06.43 | gray-matt | curious, what was wrong with kubuntu? |
| 00:06.50 | gray-matt | phogg: tthx |
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| 00:07.23 | tester1055 | its just hard to get how you like .they have like 23 extra daemons running and the average person does not use that stuff |
| 00:07.35 | phogg | gray-matt: look at kdelibs, or konqueror or something |
| 00:07.59 | phogg | s/do't/don't/ s/merta/meta/ |
| 00:08.39 | tester1055 | its lik every 5 months i get a power outage and it borks my system |
| 00:08.52 | CactusMD | invest in a surge protector |
| 00:08.53 | somian[0] | badger ... mushroom ...SNAKE-eyes, oh SNAKE-eyes, a SNAKE(eyes) |
| 00:09.11 | phogg | tester1055: control vs. simplicity. Ubuntu works for most right away but is not efficient about it. Debian requires more control, which is nice for some people. |
| 00:09.38 | phogg | tester1055: Uninterruptable Power Supply. Best $50 you'll ever spend. |
| 00:09.45 | gray-matt | i gotta admit that the etch default install has a fair number of daemons running as well, many are local only but it is a bit daunting compared to older days |
| 00:09.47 | tester1055 | im jus mad abou power outages :P |
| 00:09.55 | phogg | Or best whatever amount, 'cause the expensive ones are worthwhile. |
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| 00:10.32 | tester1055 | for some reason evereytime theres a small 3 second power outage my drive breaks ..not literally breaks but file system errors etc etc |
| 00:10.33 | gray-matt | ok, according to this page http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html it seems that 3.5.5 was released with etch |
| 00:11.06 | somian[0] | 3 second is not small |
| 00:11.14 | somian[0] | Get a UPS and stop ur bithin' |
| 00:11.18 | gray-matt | and that the kde team is currently working kde 4 for lenny |
| 00:11.30 | tester1055 | i am going to get one |
| 00:11.49 | tester1055 | i am just wondering why this happens |
| 00:12.09 | dondelelcaro | tester1055: any power outage will cause that, and it's (usually) not really filesystem errors. It's files that were unlinked, but were still marked as in use because something had an open FD to them. |
| 00:12.23 | gray-matt | tester1055: I have had a history of small brownout problems as well, your best bet is to get a UPS, and for good measure use a resilient file system like ext3 |
| 00:12.39 | tester1055 | resilent ? |
| 00:12.53 | gray-matt | er... resiliant |
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| 00:12.58 | dondelelcaro | Internat85: most of the time just writing to the entire drive will tell you |
| 00:12.59 | gray-matt | sorry |
| 00:13.00 | tester1055 | what does that change ? |
| 00:13.19 | tester1055 | but yea i will buy one of those UPS things right now |
| 00:13.49 | gray-matt | tester1055: do you mean what does ext3 change? |
| 00:13.54 | tester1055 | yea |
| 00:14.00 | tester1055 | i never looked at the difference really |
| 00:14.45 | gray-matt | oh, nothing really it is the default file system during install, but it gives you a journalled filesystem that is somewhat compatible with ext2 (i think backwards fully, but I have never tested it) |
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| 00:15.04 | tester1055 | ioim saying how would that be better for a small brownout ? |
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| 00:15.33 | gray-matt | because ext3 uses a journal it handles hard system failures a bit more elegantly than ext2 did |
| 00:15.36 | tester1055 | dondelelcaro: yea but i restarted like 5 times so yea i would have thought the file system check would have cleaned it up but it didnt .it drops me to a matience shell |
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| 00:16.29 | gray-matt | so here is a question for the clamav users out there... do you see big perfomance costs in gnomevfs apps after you install it? |
| 00:16.30 | dondelelcaro | tester1055: that's because it's a filesystem with errors. |
| 00:16.35 | dondelelcaro | tester1055: run fsck on it so that it gets fixed |
| 00:16.51 | xleonardox | hi there, everyone... sorry about the off-topic, but any of you out there use the smarty engine? |
| 00:17.11 | tcsetattr | FSCKFIX=yes in /etc/default/rcS if you want fsck to try harder to fix things without making you run it manually |
| 00:17.44 | gray-matt | hmm, looks like he is going to run fsck |
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| 00:19.53 | gray-matt | any clamav users here? |
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| 00:22.26 | antgel | gray-matt: probably |
| 00:22.43 | gray-matt | no takers on my question though |
| 00:23.00 | antgel | ah, but nobody uses gnome :P |
| 00:23.14 | gray-matt | heh, yeah right :-) |
| 00:23.14 | krazykit | !anyone use clamav |
| 00:23.15 | dpkg | No, no one uses clamav, not even the people who use it. |
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| 00:23.22 | simonrvn | gnome-vfs is slow anyway... |
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| 00:23.55 | antgel | !anyone use smarty engine |
| 00:23.55 | dpkg | No, no one uses smarty engine, not even the people who use it. |
| 00:24.01 | antgel | xleonardox: ^^ HTH. |
| 00:24.07 | gray-matt | simonrvn: so it would seem, but when I installed clamav the performance in nautilus and rythmbox degraded very badly |
| 00:25.20 | gray-matt | then when I uninstalled clamav it went back to normal |
| 00:25.25 | antgel | gray-matt: why do you want clamav on a linux desktop? |
| 00:25.30 | drbair | clam is very, very, very slow in my experiences with it |
| 00:26.04 | BadHorsie | what is clamav? |
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| 00:26.11 | gray-matt | what confuses me is that I don't recall that nautilus or rythmbox had built in support for using clamav |
| 00:26.35 | antgel | BadHorsie: have you heard of the world-wide web? |
| 00:26.37 | gray-matt | virus scanner for linux, fairly nicely done if you ask me, just a bit slow |
| 00:26.50 | BadHorsie | antgel: wasn't it what-went wrong? |
| 00:27.01 | gray-matt | antgel: now now be nice :-) |
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| 00:27.16 | antgel | BadHorsie: yeah, it's shit now. they ruined it with all that made-up 2.0 shit |
| 00:27.20 | BadHorsie | i don't play antivirus. sorry about that antgel |
| 00:27.31 | drbair | there is a on-demand scanner available for Linux... maybe it uses that? (probably not, pretty sure debian doesn't ship with it) |
| 00:27.58 | gray-matt | go antgel, I haven't seen a gopher reference in almost a decade |
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| 00:28.30 | tcsetattr | gopher sucks, use archie |
| 00:28.37 | antgel | heh |
| 00:28.39 | gray-matt | drbair: I didn't think that nautilus or rythmbox had support for an on demand scanner |
| 00:29.01 | gray-matt | drbair: so I can't figure why the clamav package would cause that |
| 00:29.03 | antgel | but everything in gnome is linked in some way :) |
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| 00:29.39 | gray-matt | antgel: indeed it is, linked to everything else and then back to itself a few times for good measure :-) |
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| 00:30.25 | antgel | there was a funny bug report about rhythmbox and avahi in the gnome meta-package |
| 00:30.53 | antgel | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=355064 |
| 00:31.41 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 355064 |
| 00:31.44 | dpkg | #355064:W[gnome] gnome shouldn't depend on rhythmbox; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 01:48:04 UTC |
| 00:32.05 | drbair | gray-matt: its on demand at the kernel level... applications don't have a choice. (again, pretty sure its not even included with debian) |
| 00:32.52 | gray-matt | drbair: are you sure about that? I didn't see any documentation in the clamav packages or on the website to that effect |
| 00:34.04 | drbair | gray-matt: nope... just know that it exists and is used by several antivirus programs. Possibly not even clamav |
| 00:34.42 | gray-matt | antgel: yeah that's a good one |
| 00:36.53 | gray-matt | drbair: i'm confused precisely what in the kernel are you referring to? |
| 00:37.02 | simonrvn | they should add a tag for the web ui for the bts, [ ] funny |
| 00:37.39 | simonrvn | i think drbair is confusing OSes |
| 00:37.41 | drbair | gray-matt: its just a kernel modules that allows for on-demand scanning |
| 00:37.47 | antgel | simonrvn: reportbug bugs.debian.org |
| 00:38.04 | simonrvn | antgel: idle thought, nothing more |
| 00:38.19 | antgel | simonrvn: i forgot the :P |
| 00:38.32 | simonrvn | damn, and i forgot to assume it |
| 00:38.41 | antgel | it's all gone wrong |
| 00:38.44 | gray-matt | drbair: ah, then if that's the case and debian doesn't ship it, any idea why the performance hit? |
| 00:38.55 | simonrvn | must be this heat |
| 00:39.26 | gray-matt | simonrvn: where are you at? the heat here is awful |
| 00:39.35 | simonrvn | montreal, qc |
| 00:39.40 | antgel | it was raining in london today. what a country. i mean, i don't care that much about weather but it's kind of the straw that breaks the camel's back |
| 00:39.42 | gray-matt | simonrvn: actually its the humidity I really hate |
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| 00:40.18 | simonrvn | supposed to be getting showers, possibly storm. i hope so. come on grandfathers! :D |
| 00:40.18 | drbair | gray-matt: nope... unless its included now. |
| 00:40.21 | gray-matt | simonrvn: huh, i would expect montreal to be a bit cooler than most, what's the temp there? |
| 00:40.43 | simonrvn | hit 47 with humidex, something like 35 or 37 |
| 00:40.50 | simonrvn | without |
| 00:40.52 | ApEtc | simonrvn: Monreal? Nice. |
| 00:40.55 | ApEtc | simonrvn: I was born there. |
| 00:40.59 | simonrvn | cool |
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| 00:42.14 | ApEtc | simonrvn: I'm in Phoenix now. It's been rainy the last few days, so it is "only" a high of 35 today. |
| 00:43.15 | simonrvn | phoenix, holy smokes. desert there |
| 00:43.19 | gray-matt | simonrvn: jebus! 37 sounds bad enough, sadly I am only really familiar with the Fahrenheit scale |
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| 00:43.41 | simonrvn | gray-matt: 20-25 is considered room temp |
| 00:43.43 | gray-matt | man, but phoenix is a very nice place to visit |
| 00:44.16 | ApEtc | gray-matt: 37 would be around 98 I think. |
| 00:44.22 | ApEtc | That is, 37 C would be 98 F. |
| 00:44.42 | gray-matt | simonrvn: so that would be in the 70s in F, which is where we are currently at, but we swing around 30 to 40 degrees daily |
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| 00:45.04 | gray-matt | ApEtc: thanks! |
| 00:45.13 | ryanCH_ | whats the terminal command to change the window managers?? |
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| 00:45.36 | simonrvn | depends on the wm |
| 00:45.37 | lolcats | this isnt #Bubuntu? |
| 00:45.37 | ryanCH_ | is it Xorg something like that? |
| 00:45.45 | gray-matt | ryanCH_: I think that you can change them by calling the windowmanager and passing a parameter to it in some cases |
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| 00:45.53 | simonrvn | ryanCH_: that's not a wm |
| 00:46.04 | ryanCH_ | or desktop environment i mean |
| 00:46.22 | simonrvn | Xorg is not a desktop environment either |
| 00:46.30 | ryanCH_ | what's the command for the window manager? |
| 00:46.41 | lolcats | ryanCH_ whitch one? |
| 00:46.47 | lolcats | KDE is startkde |
| 00:46.48 | simonrvn | depends on what you're running there |
| 00:46.54 | lolcats | GNOME is gnome-session |
| 00:47.03 | ryanCH_ | ok |
| 00:47.05 | simonrvn | that's to start the DE |
| 00:47.09 | lolcats | XFCE is xfce-session twm is... twm.. |
| 00:47.38 | lolcats | kde? its kde-wm-env i belive |
| 00:47.44 | simonrvn | kwin |
| 00:47.55 | lolcats | GNOME is gnome-wm (thanks simonrvn ) |
| 00:48.00 | simonrvn | metacity |
| 00:48.12 | lolcats | metacity != GNOME |
| 00:48.22 | simonrvn | it's gnome's default wm |
| 00:48.24 | lolcats | they forketh long ago |
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| 00:48.35 | gray-matt | both metacity and compiz take --install as a parameter, sadly compiz barfed the last time I tried it :-) |
| 00:49.04 | lolcats | personally, i like pyGTKWM |
| 00:49.14 | lolcats | Python+GTK=WM |
| 00:49.28 | simonrvn | there's like 25-30 wms in debian. pick one ;) |
| 00:49.42 | lolcats | its REALLY simple to start: python pywm.py -start |
| 00:49.59 | lolcats | pywm.py is simply a caller for all the other functions |
| 00:50.43 | lolcats | and then theres hackedbox, fluxbox, blackbox, icebox, windowbox, sjisbox, pr0nbox, and every other one in that vain |
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| 00:52.22 | ryanCH_ | simonrvn: i tried startkde it doesn't work |
| 00:52.34 | ryanCH_ | it says it is not a command |
| 00:53.51 | simonrvn | what are you running there? |
| 00:53.52 | simonrvn | kde, gnome, xfce, some wm? |
| 00:53.52 | ryanCH_ | gnome |
| 00:54.02 | ryanCH_ | i want to switch to kde |
| 00:54.23 | simonrvn | well you need to install some kde stuff then ;) |
| 00:54.40 | ryanCH_ | i thought it installed automatically |
| 00:54.43 | lolcats | ryanCH_, what dist? |
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| 00:54.50 | lolcats | (oh debian duh) |
| 00:54.57 | lolcats | apt-get install kde |
| 00:54.58 | ryanCH_ | yeah ;p |
| 00:55.03 | ryanCH_ | ok |
| 00:55.11 | lolcats | or synaptic the KDE stuff |
| 00:55.18 | lolcats | just run synaptic as root |
| 00:55.31 | lolcats | (and make sure to run apt-get as root) |
| 00:56.06 | Rprp | Hi, by each command i see the error: 'Unknown HZ value! (186) Assume 100.', How can i fix this? (using Etch) |
| 00:56.26 | lolcats | Rprp, what commands? |
| 00:56.31 | Rprp | ps aux |
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| 00:56.35 | lolcats | what arch? |
| 00:56.45 | lolcats | x86? x64? |
| 00:56.47 | sid | What is that software where you can clean out the cruft on your debian system? |
| 00:56.51 | Rprp | x86 |
| 00:56.59 | tcsetattr | I had that Unknown HZ thing before... I forget how I fixed it |
| 00:57.01 | lolcats | sid, synaptic |
| 00:57.03 | sid | It like lists packages, and their dependencies..and you just go through the whole list and y for keep, or p for purge |
| 00:57.07 | sid | lolcats: no, not that. |
| 00:57.09 | Rprp | its a server. |
| 00:57.12 | sid | cli |
| 00:57.21 | Rprp | hmm |
| 00:57.21 | lolcats | packman? |
| 00:57.26 | sid | no |
| 00:57.39 | lolcats | packsel? |
| 00:57.53 | sid | no |
| 00:57.55 | lolcats | theres one called something-sel that lists them |
| 00:58.01 | lolcats | packman? |
| 00:58.41 | dan2 | asg: http://youtube.com/watch?v=UF7ba6R2XC4 |
| 00:58.46 | lolcats | Rprp, google. |
| 00:58.47 | Supaplex | tasksel? |
| 00:58.55 | Rprp | lolcats: i tried already. |
| 00:59.24 | tcsetattr | there is actually a package called "cruft". |
| 00:59.48 | tcsetattr | Rprp, what version of procps do you have? |
| 01:00.10 | lolcats | Rprp, i googled \"Unknown HX value\" and got this: http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2004-September/016447.html |
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| 01:00.15 | Rprp | tcsetattr: 'procps'? |
| 01:00.15 | sid | Supaplex: no |
| 01:00.24 | Rprp | hmm |
| 01:00.38 | Supaplex | sid: what's the question again? |
| 01:00.51 | tcsetattr | you complain about ps so I ask what version you have. Is this surprising? |
| 01:00.57 | sid | Supaplex: I want to purge crap I installed awhile ago. but I don't remember I installed it |
| 01:01.13 | Supaplex | dselect? aptitude? dpkg -l? |
| 01:01.17 | sid | This cli program gives me the list, and I hit "y" for keep, and "p" for purge and go through the whole list |
| 01:01.26 | lolcats | Rprp, http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2004-September/016452.html try that |
| 01:01.32 | Rprp | oke, thnx. |
| 01:01.46 | lolcats | o.O |
| 01:01.54 | antgel | sid: deborphan? |
| 01:02.09 | gray-matt | sid: try using deborphan, it is fairly good at helping remove cruft |
| 01:02.20 | lolcats | sid: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda ? |
| 01:02.25 | gray-matt | antgel: blast you beat me to it |
| 01:02.38 | sid | antgel: deborphan |
| 01:02.39 | sid | thanks |
| 01:02.43 | sid | thanks gray-matt |
| 01:02.56 | lolcats | i like using dd... its GREAT at removing cruft |
| 01:03.00 | antgel | i had to be quick, it's 2am here, must sleep |
| 01:03.11 | lolcats | its not called Disk Destroyar for nothing |
| 01:04.12 | antgel | lolcats: i know you're joking, but maybe not the best idea incase someone doesn't get the joke? |
| 01:04.12 | lolcats | antgel, i know |
| 01:04.12 | antgel | i was present here for an rm -rf / once. it wasn't pretty |
| 01:04.12 | ryanCH_ | simonrvn: i got kde setup, how do i set it up as my default?? |
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| 01:04.12 | simonrvn | can't help right now, busy |
| 01:04.14 | ryanCH_ | ok |
| 01:04.20 | lolcats | i say to windows people "in Internet explorer, theres a hidden feature that flashes boobs accross your screen! just press ALT-F4!" |
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| 01:04.36 | lolcats | some try it and then get angry |
| 01:04.46 | lolcats | others laugh as soon as they get the joke |
| 01:05.02 | antgel | you can't please all of the people all of the time |
| 01:05.56 | dan2 | ~dmv is http://youtube.com/watch?v=UF7ba6R2XC4 |
| 01:05.57 | apt | dan2: okay |
| 01:05.57 | gray-matt | night antgel |
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| 01:17.11 | S4nD3r | hi there |
| 01:17.20 | S4nD3r | I have a problem with openoffice yet |
| 01:17.34 | gray-matt | S4nD3r: what's the problem? |
| 01:17.53 | S4nD3r | This crashes when I try to open any file |
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| 01:23.20 | polishpaul | hey guys, i messed up my MBR and i cannot figure out how to fix GRUB. I tried a few different tutorials on the web, but i can't get it to work.. help? |
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| 01:23.50 | gray-matt | S4nD3r: hmm... that's odd |
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| 01:24.08 | gray-matt | I am not sure what to say, OO.org works good for me. |
| 01:24.36 | gray-matt | S4nD3r: what's your general setup? |
| 01:24.47 | S4nD3r | oh |
| 01:24.49 | S4nD3r | I got |
| 01:24.53 | S4nD3r | Its working |
| 01:24.58 | S4nD3r | Im running broffice |
| 01:26.36 | gray-matt | S4nD3r: brazillian portugese? (sp?) |
| 01:26.42 | Gnea | in Sid, using iceweasel and the latest flash plugin 9.0, has anyone had any problems viewing videos on youtube or any other flash-based video? It seems that I can view them if they're embedded in another page but not directly - i tried switching window managers (from E17 to fluxbox) and the same thing occurs... |
| 01:27.07 | Gnea | tried upgrading iceweasel and flash to the latest and the same thing happens |
| 01:27.14 | S4nD3r | Im in MT |
| 01:27.24 | S4nD3r | Yes brazilian portuguese |
| 01:27.28 | gray-matt | polishpaul: if you msg me the results of less /boot/grub/menu.1st and df -h I can see what you might have broken |
| 01:27.30 | Gnea | when i go to a video url, nothing shows up on the page at all |
| 01:28.58 | gray-matt | S4nD3r: weird, I just had to fix the myspell on my machine, it had the brazilian portuguese dictionary installed for some reason |
| 01:28.59 | craigevil | Gnea can you post a url that is giving you issues? |
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| 01:29.55 | S4nD3r | gray-matt, the broffice didnt appears in menu |
| 01:30.02 | S4nD3r | how solve it // |
| 01:30.05 | S4nD3r | ? |
| 01:30.09 | gray-matt | update-menus? |
| 01:30.16 | S4nD3r | didnt works |
| 01:30.37 | Gnea | craigevil: any video url - ah, i think i just figured it out |
| 01:30.48 | gray-matt | hm... could a -common package be missing? |
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| 01:30.54 | Gnea | http://www.google.com/support/youtube/bin/answer.py?answer=56115&topic=10560 <-- going to try this |
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| 01:31.05 | S4nD3r | dunow |
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| 01:31.27 | GhostlyDeath | Can I move a Logical drive in the extended partition out of it and make it a primary partition without reformatting? |
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| 01:31.39 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath yes. |
| 01:31.45 | gray-matt | S4nD3r: take a look at the package dependencies of broffice |
| 01:32.08 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath sfdisk's dump option would be rather useful for this, just move numbers around and such |
| 01:32.08 | GhostlyDeath | Kevin`: Vista does dirty partitioning |
| 01:32.11 | craigevil | Gnea if you installed flash using aptitude/apt that really shouldn't be an issue |
| 01:32.20 | Gnea | GhostlyDeath: as long as you keep the # of cylinders exactly the same and in the same place, yes |
| 01:32.22 | S4nD3r | how I check it ? |
| 01:32.25 | GhostlyDeath | there are 1MB spaces between each partition |
| 01:32.39 | Gnea | craigevil: that's how i've always installed it - gonna try it and see what happens |
| 01:32.50 | GhostlyDeath | Can gparted do what I want to do? |
| 01:33.19 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath perhaps, but I suggest you use sfdisk, dump the table to a file, and use a text editor |
| 01:33.21 | Gnea | probably |
| 01:33.23 | Kevin` | really simple for this case |
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| 01:33.36 | gray-matt | S4nD3r: actually I just checked it, hang on... |
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| 01:34.22 | Gnea | GhostlyDeath: or just make the primary partition, format it, copy the data over, then zap the logical |
| 01:34.39 | Kevin` | Gnea completely unecessary |
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| 01:35.29 | Gnea | Kevin`: but practical |
| 01:35.31 | gray-matt | S4nD3r: try running apt-get --reinstall install broffice.org |
| 01:36.05 | Kevin` | I don't think it's practical either, considering how easy it is to change numbers :) |
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| 01:36.26 | GhostlyDeath | I want to physically move the data |
| 01:36.28 | gray-matt | S4nD3r: that should force a reinstall of the package. It looks like the package is supposed to install OO.org and add the necessary localization packages for Brazilian Portuguese |
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| 01:36.34 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath oh, you do? |
| 01:36.42 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath gparted WILL do this, then. |
| 01:36.46 | Kevin` | easily |
| 01:36.49 | Gnea | Kevin`: you were saying? :) |
| 01:36.56 | S4nD3r | ok |
| 01:36.59 | S4nD3r | But I solved |
| 01:37.07 | Kevin` | he initially said he wanted to make a logical partition primary |
| 01:37.10 | GhostlyDeath | and I can move a logical partition out of the extended partition and make it primary still right? |
| 01:37.41 | gray-matt | S4nD3r: if you are working with packages in X windows, then I strongly recommend Synaptic, it rocks |
| 01:37.50 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath why is actual moving of data involved here? I thought you wanted the data in the same place, but as a primary partition |
| 01:37.51 | Dewi | GhostlyDeath: logical partitions are not primary partitions |
| 01:37.51 | GhostlyDeath | I do have some HDDs lying around, could connect them to my USB and try that |
| 01:38.01 | GhostlyDeath | Dewi: I know |
| 01:38.05 | Gnea | GhostlyDeath: do you care if the data remains intact? |
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| 01:38.13 | GhostlyDeath | it MUST be in tact |
| 01:38.21 | S4nD3r | I did |
| 01:38.21 | SORMANOV | am trying to install debian etch with the expert mode, there's an option on the menu letting me continue the install over ssh, i activate it and try to connect to the box over ssh, and i dont know the password nor the login for that |
| 01:38.22 | S4nD3r | hehehe |
| 01:38.31 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath why do you need an external drive |
| 01:38.41 | GhostlyDeath | Kevin`: to copy Linux over and back |
| 01:38.53 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath so you have no free space on the current drive? |
| 01:38.58 | GhostlyDeath | I got 55MB free |
| 01:39.02 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath what are you moving data from/to, then? |
| 01:39.10 | Kevin` | are you moving it 55mb to the left? |
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| 01:39.38 | GhostlyDeath | I'm moving windows to the start of the drive |
| 01:39.45 | GhostlyDeath | swap next to window and then Linux |
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| 01:40.05 | helo_ | what is the most mature personal finance manager for linux? gnucash? |
| 01:40.08 | Kevin` | wasn't windows already at the start of the drive? ok then, I see why you want to move data |
| 01:40.09 | GhostlyDeath | then I have 55MB to spare |
| 01:40.26 | GhostlyDeath | Kevin`: There is 1MB of free space before Windows |
| 01:40.29 | gray-matt | S4nD3r: did you get it working? |
| 01:40.49 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath you want to move windows 1mb to the left? |
| 01:40.52 | S4nD3r | sure !! |
| 01:40.52 | S4nD3r | lol |
| 01:40.53 | GhostlyDeath | yes |
| 01:41.03 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath that's kinda silly, but gparted will do it |
| 01:41.15 | GhostlyDeath | What FS supports 1MB? |
| 01:41.17 | gray-matt | S4nD3r: awesome! |
| 01:41.27 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath erm. fat12, minix |
| 01:41.31 | Kevin` | ext2 MAYBE |
| 01:41.45 | S4nD3r | Thats great |
| 01:41.54 | S4nD3r | I put a great interface |
| 01:41.55 | gray-matt | man I have missed hanging out here and helping people out when I can, guess that makes me a masochist :-) |
| 01:42.02 | S4nD3r | that accept gnome themes |
| 01:42.05 | S4nD3r | great!!! |
| 01:42.08 | S4nD3r | Ive got go now |
| 01:42.11 | S4nD3r | thanks so much |
| 01:42.13 | Kevin` | haha gray |
| 01:42.14 | GhostlyDeath | bye |
| 01:42.20 | gray-matt | S4nD3r: take care! |
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| 01:42.39 | GhostlyDeath | hmm, I would have to reinstall GRUB right? |
| 01:42.50 | GhostlyDeath | since /dev/sda6 will become /dev/sda3 |
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| 01:43.00 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath if you are moving the partition with /boot physically, yes |
| 01:43.31 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath that's easy enough to do with two commands from a grub floppy, which you should have :) |
| 01:43.36 | GhostlyDeath | would it be possible to make a new /boot and just copy everything? |
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| 01:43.45 | GhostlyDeath | Kevin`: no floppy drive =P |
| 01:43.53 | GhostlyDeath | I got a USB one though |
| 01:43.55 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath yes, you would have to reinstall grub of course though |
| 01:44.03 | nuxis | Can someone take a look at this pls |
| 01:44.03 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath you could put grub on a usb drive or cdrom too |
| 01:44.12 | gray-matt | nuxis: what is it? |
| 01:44.20 | GhostlyDeath | I can boot USB floppy drives too which is nice |
| 01:44.20 | nuxis | paste didn't work sec |
| 01:44.43 | nuxis | http://pastebin.ca/643798, I install acx100-source and I can't see it in iwconfig |
| 01:44.56 | SORMANOV | anyone ? |
| 01:44.57 | SORMANOV | am trying to install debian etch with the expert mode, there's an option on the menu letting me continue the install over ssh, i activate it and try to connect to the box over ssh, and i dont know the password nor the login for that |
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| 01:45.26 | GhostlyDeath | SORMANOV: did you try root and the root pass? |
| 01:45.35 | SORMANOV | yes |
| 01:45.41 | Kevin` | I didn't notice I was in #debian |
| 01:46.06 | GhostlyDeath | how's QEMU Win98SE working for you? |
| 01:46.07 | gray-matt | Kevin`: you didn't? |
| 01:46.39 | Kevin` | that's what I said :), I noticed after I saw SORMANOV's question and was about to say "ask #debian" |
| 01:46.47 | nuxis | Can someone take a look at this pls, http://pastebin.ca/643798, I install acx100-source and I can't see it in iwconfig |
| 01:46.59 | GhostlyDeath | I guess I will restart my PC and let these mass updates take place |
| 01:47.05 | GhostlyDeath | then...... redo evrything |
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| 01:47.47 | gray-matt | nuxis: I took a look and it seems like the module doesn't play well with hotplug and doesn't reset either |
| 01:48.02 | nuxis | gray-matt: so driver isn't running..? |
| 01:48.28 | Kevin` | did he load the driver? |
| 01:48.31 | gray-matt | nuxis: sadly I am not good at linux wi-fi issues so I should definately defer to someone else on list |
| 01:48.39 | GhostlyDeath | I use ipw3945 |
| 01:48.40 | nuxis | ok |
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| 01:49.31 | Spyro_boy | hello. |
| 01:49.55 | gray-matt | Kevin`: I think so, but both the driver complains about a missing firmware image (yay) and hotplug complains about out of date scripts |
| 01:50.10 | GhostlyDeath | !damn scripts |
| 01:50.32 | Kevin` | gray-matt locate the firmware then according to the instructions with the driver |
| 01:50.36 | GhostlyDeath | restart time, cya |
| 01:50.58 | gray-matt | nuxis: did you catch that from Kevin`? |
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| 01:51.19 | Spyro_boy | I'm running AMD64 Debian Lenny/Sid. I have upgraded within the last couple weeks but this issue has been carried on since I installed Debian on this hardware. For some reason, when I try to hit the power button to normally shut down my box as it should, it fails and instantaniously completely freezes my box like a kernel panic. |
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| 01:51.54 | gray-matt | Spyro_boy: go acpi nastiness, have a laptop? |
| 01:51.59 | Spyro_boy | I have acpi software/packages installed, and it's also enabled in the BIOS. I also made sure to remove noapic and nolapic with no prevail. |
| 01:52.06 | host4me | http://www.resellerspanel.com/?a=latinhost |
| 01:52.09 | host4me | http://www.resellerspanel.com/?a=latinhost df |
| 01:52.10 | Spyro_boy | gray-matt, it's a full/server tower. |
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| 01:52.28 | Spyro_boy | Asus M2N32-SLI Wireless Deluxe motherboard. |
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| 01:52.37 | host4me | http://www.resellerspanel.com/?a=latinhost |
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| 01:52.48 | Spyro_boy | I see spam. |
| 01:52.52 | Spyro_boy | Can someone ban it? :/ |
| 01:52.56 | gray-matt | Spyro_boy: hmm... oh well, to be honest the state of acpi and apm and such is a mess in the linux world if you ask me |
| 01:53.08 | Spyro_boy | gray-matt, it used to work fine on my old box. |
| 01:53.08 | Spyro_boy | :/ |
| 01:53.35 | gray-matt | Spyro_boy: did you use apm or acpi on the older machine? |
| 01:53.37 | Spyro_boy | My old box running Debian, that is. Not windows.. |
| 01:53.42 | Spyro_boy | gray-matt, not sure. |
| 01:53.49 | Spyro_boy | I never really payed attention. |
| 01:53.53 | Spyro_boy | But I believe it was ACPI. |
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| 01:54.15 | gray-matt | Spyro_boy: neither do I, but I also never really tried to use it much, the last time I did try I got nowhere with it |
| 01:54.28 | Spyro_boy | rawr. |
| 01:54.35 | Spyro_boy | these has to be a logical explaination for this. |
| 01:54.45 | Spyro_boy | I'd atleast want to know why it's doing it. |
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| 01:55.09 | Spyro_boy | I should enable apm and try it. |
| 01:55.17 | gray-matt | Spyro_boy: well yeah, its a newer motherboard so I expect you would want to use the acpi stuff in this case, I think the apm stuff is being phased out |
| 01:55.19 | Spyro_boy | But I'm too lazy to enable it in my kernel. |
| 01:55.42 | Spyro_boy | gray-matt, well, the last box isn't THAT old. |
| 01:55.49 | gray-matt | Spyro_boy: me very lazy and use default debian kernels |
| 01:55.55 | gray-matt | :-) |
| 01:55.55 | Spyro_boy | It's an AMD Athlon 2800+. |
| 01:56.05 | Spyro_boy | gray-matt, I compile my own. |
| 01:56.18 | Spyro_boy | Rolling my own joints is the only way to go in Linux. ;) |
| 01:56.28 | krazykit | uh huh. |
| 01:56.36 | gray-matt | Spyro_boy: I used to then I got tired of it, that's priceless btw |
| 01:56.51 | Spyro_boy | Hawr. |
| 01:57.03 | Spyro_boy | I can compile a kernel within a few minutes. |
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| 01:57.28 | Spyro_boy | Depending on how much stress I feel like putting my core in. |
| 01:57.47 | Spyro_boy | If I'm afk, I'll usually set make -j all :P |
| 01:58.02 | Spyro_boy | but yeah, I need to fix this. |
| 01:58.17 | gray-matt | Spyro_boy: I am browsing acpi in man |
| 01:58.31 | gray-matt | lets see if we find anything interesting |
| 01:58.36 | Spyro_boy | I've looked. |
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| 01:59.16 | Spyro_boy | fatboy |
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| 01:59.38 | gray-matt | man people come and go in here like crazy |
| 01:59.52 | maxamillion | when i am running openbox in etch, is there a trick to making the autostart.sh script work that i am missing from the docs on the openbox website? |
| 02:00.08 | maxamillion | i am using gdm to login if that makes a difference |
| 02:00.23 | Spyro_boy | try #openbox |
| 02:00.36 | Spyro_boy | nevermind |
| 02:00.37 | Spyro_boy | it's empty. |
| 02:00.39 | maxamillion | Spyro_boy: on what network? ... there doesn't seem to be one here on freenode |
| 02:00.48 | Spyro_boy | no idea. |
| 02:00.50 | maxamillion | Spyro_boy: yeah, i thought of that :) |
| 02:00.52 | maxamillion | hmm |
| 02:02.02 | nuxis | Guys just yo let you know I fixed the acx prob, just replaced the firmwire and did modprobe acx :) |
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| 02:02.21 | gray-matt | nuxis: awesome! good work! |
| 02:02.42 | nuxis | tnx <gracious bow> |
| 02:02.43 | nuxis | xD |
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| 02:05.09 | gray-matt | ok, this will sound stupid... how do I get the exit status of an app on command line? |
| 02:05.19 | Spyro_boy | uh |
| 02:05.22 | Spyro_boy | $& |
| 02:05.23 | gray-matt | me hangs head in shame |
| 02:05.27 | Spyro_boy | wait |
| 02:05.28 | Spyro_boy | $! |
| 02:05.30 | Spyro_boy | that's it |
| 02:06.03 | MangosDebian | $? |
| 02:06.21 | gray-matt | Spyro_boy: not sure how I would use that example? |
| 02:06.30 | krzee | i am having nothing but problems getting my ibm 306m with adaptec AIC 9410 disc controller to install (well, to recognize the disc controller / harddrive) |
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| 02:06.35 | Spyro_boy | it's a var |
| 02:06.39 | somian[0] | Exit Status: $? |
| 02:06.40 | Spyro_boy | man bash |
| 02:06.47 | somian[0] | $! is Perl |
| 02:07.21 | krzee | with sid or sarge |
| 02:07.29 | gray-matt | ok, my bash skills are really rusty these days, hang on... |
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| 02:10.33 | gray-matt | Spyro_boy: thanks for the bash tip, I ended up using this: sudo /sbin/acpi_available ; echo $? |
| 02:10.47 | gray-matt | Spyro_boy: which worked nicely |
| 02:10.58 | Spyro_boy | you could've done this: |
| 02:11.05 | Spyro_boy | sudo /sbin/acpi_available && echo true |
| 02:11.09 | gray-matt | Spyro_boy: btw, you should run that to see if ACPI is running correctly |
| 02:11.27 | Spyro_boy | it returns true |
| 02:11.34 | gray-matt | then its running :-) |
| 02:11.54 | gray-matt | Spyro_boy: now we just don't know why it hates you power button |
| 02:12.16 | MangosDebian | gray-matt: I say self-awareness, but who knows :) |
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| 02:12.58 | gray-matt | MangosDebian: qua? |
| 02:13.27 | jetscreamer | !fr |
| 02:13.27 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:13.32 | MangosDebian | gray-matt: his machine doesn't want to be terminated? :p |
| 02:13.47 | gray-matt | MangosDebian: heh, now I get it, sorry :-) |
| 02:13.50 | MangosDebian | np ;) |
| 02:13.59 | jetscreamer | there was this girl who lived next to me in montreal.. god she was hot... she said qua all the time |
| 02:14.15 | gray-matt | jetscreamer: no fair |
| 02:14.42 | pramodmudrakarta | Hi |
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| 02:14.52 | MangosDebian | !babelfish fr en qua |
| 02:14.53 | dpkg | qua |
| 02:14.58 | MangosDebian | bah |
| 02:15.07 | gray-matt | jetscreamer: I took up using qua after watching Eddie Izzard's standup routine he did in Paris |
| 02:15.13 | jetscreamer | it means what iirc |
| 02:15.28 | gray-matt | yup |
| 02:15.39 | MangosDebian | dpkg: thank god your not a translator |
| 02:15.39 | dpkg | de rien, MangosDebian |
| 02:15.42 | gray-matt | it seems to be a relic from latin |
| 02:15.42 | buchkurish | how the hell do u edit that one place, so it doesnt install from cd when u do aptitude?? |
| 02:15.48 | buchkurish | somethign aptitude |
| 02:15.54 | jetscreamer | nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:16.00 | buchkurish | there we go sources |
| 02:16.00 | buchkurish | thanks |
| 02:16.02 | abrotman | buchkurish: edit your sources .. comment out the cd source |
| 02:16.06 | buchkurish | oki |
| 02:16.08 | buchkurish | whats the -w for |
| 02:16.09 | buchkurish | ? |
| 02:16.23 | jetscreamer | no word wrap |
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| 02:16.42 | jetscreamer | put a # infront |
| 02:16.46 | buchkurish | ok |
| 02:16.50 | jetscreamer | of the cd line |
| 02:16.53 | buchkurish | what do u guys think of me doing this, do i have ac hance |
| 02:16.54 | buchkurish | http://docs.lucidinteractive.ca/index.php/Cracking_WEP_and_WPA_Wireless_Networks |
| 02:16.57 | jetscreamer | ctrl x to save&exit |
| 02:17.06 | jetscreamer | ctrl o to just save |
| 02:17.12 | gray-matt | buchkurish: sure you do, it isn't that bad |
| 02:17.19 | jetscreamer | the things on the bottom are ctrl + whatever |
| 02:17.20 | buchkurish | gray-matt: reallY? |
| 02:17.26 | buchkurish | gray-matt: i had to come back to work and get the cd |
| 02:17.34 | buchkurish | gray-matt: the net install cd so i can install it on my home computer |
| 02:17.42 | buchkurish | jetscreamer: thanks a bunchy dude |
| 02:17.47 | jetscreamer | goodbye-windows.com |
| 02:17.58 | jetscreamer | no cd needed |
| 02:17.59 | MangosDebian | buchkurish: as long as you don't live in germany.... |
| 02:18.07 | gray-matt | buchkurish: definitely |
| 02:18.46 | gray-matt | well lets hope he gets where he is going safely |
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| 02:19.21 | buchkurish | freakign a |
| 02:19.26 | buchkurish | i d0ont know what keeps reseting my conection |
| 02:19.28 | buchkurish | from putty |
| 02:19.30 | buchkurish | and here.. |
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| 02:19.42 | buchkurish | every so minutes |
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| 02:19.47 | gray-matt | Spyro_boy: wish I knew more to help you with the acpi thing, sorry |
| 02:19.47 | abrotman | a router |
| 02:19.48 | buchkurish | ive been living like this for days |
| 02:19.50 | buchkurish | sadness |
| 02:20.25 | gray-matt | buchkurish: are you on dialup or broadband? |
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| 02:20.43 | mosty | i want a script that runs periodically, but never runs more than one instance simultaneously. is it better to use cron and lockfiles, or sleep inside the script and have something to restart it if it fails? |
| 02:20.51 | buchkurish | gray-matt: right now broadband |
| 02:20.56 | buchkurish | gray-matt: and this machine is on a network |
| 02:21.00 | buchkurish | gray-matt: debian 4.0 |
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| 02:21.23 | MangosDebian | buchkurish: ahh, kokice. never got much help then either huh? |
| 02:21.33 | buchkurish | oh nooo |
| 02:21.34 | buchkurish | hehe |
| 02:21.35 | maxamillion | mosty: i would suggest cron just out of good practice, but i think either way would work |
| 02:21.36 | buchkurish | someone knows me |
| 02:21.39 | buchkurish | ehehehe =) |
| 02:21.46 | lightning | back |
| 02:21.49 | buchkurish | =) |
| 02:21.58 | buchkurish | im the unluckies mofo in the universe hah |
| 02:21.59 | gray-matt | buchkurish: sounds like you have some major connectivity issue there, have you tried looking at the network infrastructure at all? |
| 02:22.15 | mosty | maxamillion, do you know of any other options? i want to read up before i decide |
| 02:22.15 | MangosDebian | buchkurish: well, wasnt a very thorough search :) Seems like someone here every week with that one |
| 02:22.27 | buchkurish | hehe =) |
| 02:22.50 | buchkurish | gray-matt: i havent, the thing is that it hasnt been doing this for a while, and i didnt use my linux for a few weeks, get back on and it starts doing this |
| 02:22.58 | buchkurish | gray-matt: u think itsh ardware? |
| 02:23.12 | abrotman | it's a freaking router |
| 02:23.31 | buchkurish | freaking routher? |
| 02:23.34 | maxamillion | mosty: no not off the top of my head, generally anything that needs to be done like this is done in cron |
| 02:23.38 | buchkurish | ive never heard of freaking routhers =) hehe jk |
| 02:23.40 | buchkurish | it could be |
| 02:23.40 | Spyro_boy | gray-matt, thanks anyway :) |
| 02:23.56 | buchkurish | gray-matt: mat , do u think i can go thorugh wit hthis tonite maybe ? http://docs.lucidinteractive.ca/index.php/Cracking_WEP_and_WPA_Wireless_Networks |
| 02:24.01 | gray-matt | abrotman: it could be either the router he is connected to or the ethernet card driver he is using, or any other number of connection points we are otherwise unaware of |
| 02:24.04 | buchkurish | gray-matt: not that hard? |
| 02:24.23 | abrotman | gray-matt: he'd know if it was the NIC .. i hope |
| 02:24.24 | buchkurish | gray-matt: i would agreee, tomorrow i will inspect, what if there is some addres conflict? |
| 02:24.27 | buchkurish | gray-matt: could that be? |
| 02:24.36 | mosty | maxamillion, my only issue with cron is that it doesn't ensure that the job isn't run twice at the same time, ie if the job takes longer than the cron period |
| 02:24.37 | abrotman | could be his switch overheating and resetting also |
| 02:24.37 | buchkurish | ya i dont think its the nic |
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| 02:24.50 | buchkurish | mm seems like everybody else on network is fine though |
| 02:24.56 | maxamillion | mosty: ohhhh, ok ... i see your dilemma |
| 02:25.00 | buchkurish | i mean if the switch resets it self everything else would go down |
| 02:25.04 | buchkurish | but check this out |
| 02:25.07 | buchkurish | when i use secure crt |
| 02:25.10 | abrotman | buchkurish: do the all have stateful connections ? |
| 02:25.13 | buchkurish | instead of putty, it stays on connected |
| 02:25.22 | buchkurish | abrotman: yes |
| 02:25.27 | lightning | is the mail greeting diableable upon tty login when not running a login manager |
| 02:25.28 | buchkurish | wait stateful? |
| 02:25.32 | maxamillion | mosty: not sure of a really solid solution to offer you ... sorry :( |
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| 02:25.46 | buchkurish | gray-matt: are u familiar with this wep c ? |
| 02:25.51 | mosty | maxamillion, no problem- thanks |
| 02:25.52 | gray-matt | buchkurish: unfortunately I would need a bit of time on your network to see what the problem could be, but there are any number of possibilities and I can't commit to troubleshooting your network |
| 02:26.06 | buchkurish | gray-matt: ok thanks, i will do that |
| 02:26.12 | abrotman | ssh to hosts inside and outside your immediate router |
| 02:26.22 | buchkurish | gray-matt: seems like you are very nice and willing to help, i will inspect my hadrware aswell as the network and see what happens, then il get back |
| 02:26.44 | buchkurish | abrotman: ya it works fine like that |
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| 02:26.56 | buchkurish | abrotman: but it doesnnt matter which station i connect from it will disconnect |
| 02:27.06 | buchkurish | abrotman: ill have to check every station, it could be the switch |
| 02:27.14 | abrotman | buchkurish: and it disconnects to machines in your lan ? |
| 02:27.21 | gray-matt | buchkurish: thanks, good luck with it, one suggestion though, start on one endpoint and slowly troubleshoot your way to the other, this will save you loads of confusion in the long run |
| 02:27.37 | buchkurish | gray-matt: ok |
| 02:27.41 | gray-matt | my networking past come back to haunt me day by day :-) |
| 02:27.48 | buchkurish | abrotman: mmm |
| 02:27.59 | buchkurish | abrotman: im not sure what else it disconnects |
| 02:28.05 | abrotman | buchkurish: time to find out |
| 02:28.06 | buchkurish | abrotman: i thinik it only disconects my linux |
| 02:28.09 | buchkurish | abrotman: i will |
| 02:28.20 | buchkurish | abrotman: im runin windows and dbian 4.0 inside ms virtual machine |
| 02:28.24 | buchkurish | i mean virtual pc |
| 02:28.27 | buchkurish | only text mode |
| 02:28.31 | buchkurish | no gui |
| 02:28.43 | buchkurish | gray-matt: about that web crackign again, hehe |
| 02:29.04 | buchkurish | gray-matt: kind of more important then this disconecting problem, that can be fixed but the web cracking is needed to be tested hah |
| 02:29.19 | buchkurish | gray-matt: do u think these guys provide enough CORRECT info? http://docs.lucidinteractive.ca/index.php/Cracking_WEP_and_WPA_Wireless_Networks |
| 02:29.38 | gray-matt | buchkurish: I think I saw the packages for that in synaptic earlier today, so I can't imagine it would be that hard once you get the apps working and somehow able to sniff the wireless network |
| 02:29.42 | zinx | you are still here? o_O |
| 02:30.02 | buchkurish | gray-matt: in synaptic ?? whats that |
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| 02:30.36 | gray-matt | buchkurish: synaptic is a front end to apt that lets you browse the software repo and pick things, in short it rocks face |
| 02:30.41 | abrotman | !synaptic |
| 02:30.41 | dpkg | i guess synaptic is the Conectiva APT front-end, uses the WINGS toolkit for the GUI, see http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/ |
| 02:30.47 | buchkurish | gray-matt: yes yes u are right |
| 02:30.54 | buchkurish | gray-matt: they do offer aircrack and kismet off of aptitude |
| 02:31.00 | gray-matt | wow dpkg is wayy wrong there |
| 02:31.03 | buchkurish | gray-matt: i got it here on this machine but i need to have it around wirless |
| 02:31.21 | buchkurish | woot haha |
| 02:31.29 | buchkurish | dpkg |
| 02:31.31 | buchkurish | u failed |
| 02:31.35 | buchkurish | =) |
| 02:31.39 | abrotman | how is dpkg wrong ? |
| 02:31.39 | jetscreamer | !sacrifice buchkurish |
| 02:31.52 | abrotman | oh .. well connectiva did write it |
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| 02:32.09 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 02:32.23 | gray-matt | abrotman: that is entirely the wrong description for synaptic, seeing as it wasn't originally written by Connectiva and it doesn't use the WINGS toolkit to my knowledge |
| 02:32.25 | GhostlyDeath | gparted won't allow me to move the Windows partition left 1 mb |
| 02:32.35 | abrotman | gray-matt: it was written by conectiva |
| 02:32.39 | jetscreamer | gparted is wise for once in it's life |
| 02:33.05 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synaptic |
| 02:33.25 | gray-matt | no, it was orginally started by Alfredo Kojima and didn't even use GTK back then (circa 1998-1998) |
| 02:33.35 | abrotman | nope |
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| 02:33.44 | gray-matt | I think that Connectiva picked up the code and ran from there |
| 02:33.46 | GhostlyDeath | jetscreamer: 1MB is before Windows and that is a waste |
| 02:33.57 | abrotman | read the link .. i'm not going to paste the whole thing |
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| 02:34.57 | gray-matt | abrotman: oh wow, I didn't know that Alfredo was working for Connectiva, he was the lead dev for wmaker for a while IIRC |
| 02:35.09 | jetscreamer | GhostlyDeath: i don't trust gparted is my point |
| 02:35.09 | abrotman | gray-matt: he's a tool! :) |
| 02:35.55 | gray-matt | abrotman: I still think that dpkg should be updated with more up to date description |
| 02:36.19 | abrotman | gray-matt: probably .. though honestly .. it's not horrible .. there are worse/more out of date factoids |
| 02:36.37 | jetscreamer | fix it! |
| 02:36.40 | gray-matt | abrotman: valid point i'm sure |
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| 02:36.47 | jetscreamer | you can fix it |
| 02:36.52 | jetscreamer | you're allowed |
| 02:36.59 | abrotman | quite frankly .. you either know synaptic and use it .. or don't go anywhere near it |
| 02:36.59 | gray-matt | jetscreamer: sorry I dunno how |
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| 02:37.23 | jetscreamer | there's a potato factoid in there ... |
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| 02:37.28 | abrotman | !potato |
| 02:37.28 | dpkg | hmm... potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground, or you can still get an older release of this at http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ |
| 02:37.59 | gray-matt | jetscreamer: irc is not my forte, never really got into using it over the years |
| 02:38.20 | abrotman | it's not just irc .. bot-fu is a difficult skill to learn :) |
| 02:38.38 | gray-matt | abrotman: heh, nice one |
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| 02:39.23 | gray-matt | me too |
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| 02:39.53 | abrotman | oh jeez .. last release in 95 |
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| 02:40.09 | gray-matt | abrotman: when GNOME 2.0 came out and borked the whole virtual desktop integration I finally dropped wmaker in favor of plain gnome, sorta sad really |
| 02:40.21 | abrotman | back to blackbox with you! |
| 02:42.23 | gray-matt | although their last release was later than '95, the site http://www.windowmaker.info/ seems to be the official site these days |
| 02:42.38 | gray-matt | the theme for their site hasn't changed in quite a while |
| 02:42.40 | abrotman | sure .. but still haven't done much in awhile |
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| 02:42.48 | lightning | ttf-gentium will not update for me |
| 02:42.57 | lightning | it hasn't for about a week |
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| 02:44.08 | gray-matt | abrotman: nope, I get the impression that the general window manager ecosystem took a nasty downslide after the release of GNOME 2 and KDE when QT went free. |
| 02:44.08 | ferret_0567 | How stable is Debian Lenny? |
| 02:44.29 | abrotman | gray-matt: you mean "free" |
| 02:44.40 | ferret_0567 | I'm currently using Ubuntu 7.04, and I would like to try out Debian again |
| 02:44.41 | abrotman | ferret_0567: it's "testing" .. things can break |
| 02:44.54 | ferret_0567 | ok, well...for now, it's pretty good? |
| 02:45.00 | gray-matt | abrotman: well when they GPL'd it that is |
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| 02:45.09 | gandalf | hi all |
| 02:45.14 | abrotman | gray-matt: kind of |
| 02:45.25 | abrotman | ferret_0567: it's acceptable |
| 02:45.41 | gray-matt | abrotman: lo, yeah, they have an odd take on that one |
| 02:45.43 | abrotman | ferret_0567: things will still break .. sometimes for awhile |
| 02:46.00 | abrotman | gray-matt: trolltech and mysql should just merge :) |
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| 02:46.45 | gray-matt | ferret_0567: testing is probably going to get really tricky to maintain over the next 9-12 months depending on the progress of the lenny release cycle |
| 02:47.39 | gray-matt | ferret_0567: it won't be as difficult as maintaining a sid install but for the first few months of any cycle I would not expect it to play nicely with automated updated via apt or anything |
| 02:48.07 | gray-matt | s/updated/updates |
| 02:48.13 | ferret_0567 | hmm...guess if I want to try it I should open a bug report account and put it on it's own partition |
| 02:48.15 | krzee | is there an installer that should work with SAS adaptec AIC 9410 ?? |
| 02:48.27 | krzee | sid and sarge didnt |
| 02:48.29 | abrotman | you don't need an account to report bugs |
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| 02:48.41 | gray-matt | ferret_0567: no need for a bug report account, but I do recommend the partition, that's what I do |
| 02:48.46 | lightning | do some packages just keep installing themselves even if they're removed? |
| 02:49.24 | Coweater | nothing just installs itself |
| 02:49.43 | abrotman | Coweater: spyware! |
| 02:49.52 | gray-matt | lightning: uh, not normally unless its a virus :-) |
| 02:49.54 | Coweater | packaged spyware? |
| 02:50.07 | abrotman | Coweater: spyware comes in msi :) |
| 02:50.15 | gray-matt | lightning: what package are you having trouble with? |
| 02:50.21 | DrAk0 | how do you define the bssid on /etc/network/interface ? |
| 02:50.43 | abrotman | wireless-essid <yours> |
| 02:50.54 | lightning | just as an example iceweasel was uninstalled and eventually installed itself again on an update |
| 02:50.57 | lightning | i think* |
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| 02:51.38 | gray-matt | lightning: did you possibly reinstall gnome or some other metapackage? |
| 02:51.42 | GhostlyDeath | ntfsresize is taking forever! |
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| 02:52.21 | gandalf | can anyone helpme with some odd lp behaviour, I'm sending a pdf to be printed landscape and the printer starts printing at the top middle of the page cropping of the half of the file |
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| 02:52.45 | lightning | gray-matt: possibly |
| 02:54.01 | eldowan | when trying to mount an ntfs drive through KDE by using the icons on the desktop, I get this: hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000 . How can I correct this? |
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| 02:54.28 | gray-matt | lightning: that would do it, I believe the gnome metapackage has an indirect dependancy on iceweasel |
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| 02:55.01 | lightning | gray-matt: can those be specified anywhere? |
| 02:55.42 | jamesd_ | what is the fastest lightest weight ftp server, no bells and whistles, just pure file transfer on a non anonymous account... running on a p3 700, 384 MB of ram, gigabit to gigabit nic connection, sata controller with a 500GB 7200 rpm 16MB cache drive. |
| 02:55.46 | gray-matt | lightning: checking the dependency chain shows gnome -> gnome-desktop-environment -> gnome-www-browser |
| 02:56.37 | gray-matt | I think that gnome-www-browser is a pseudo package that iceweasel provides, can anyone spot check me here? |
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| 02:59.36 | lightning | so removing that package should keep it from auto-updating/ |
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| 02:59.54 | lightning | how can i list my ethernet devices? |
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| 03:01.36 | lightning | gray-matt: i don't see gnome-www-browser in synaptic |
| 03:01.43 | gandalf | bump |
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| 03:02.48 | lightning | can one ssh to a windows machine? |
| 03:02.49 | gray-matt | lightning: you can remove the gnome package safely but you don't normally need to. I suggest purging iceweasel, then make sure epiphany or galeon are installed, they both seem to satisfy the dependancy so it may avoid your problem, but if you do that don't apt-get --reinstall the gnome packages or you will likely get the iceweasel package again |
| 03:03.26 | gray-matt | lightning: if it has a sshd daemon running yes, you will need to find one, but you are better off using rdp software |
| 03:03.30 | krazykit | lightning, only if the windows machine has an ssh server installed. not sure what you'd do there though, considering how crippled their cli is. |
| 03:03.45 | lightning | so "apt-get purge iceweasel" |
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| 03:04.37 | lightning | gray-matt: what is rdp software |
| 03:04.42 | gray-matt | lightning: actually you need apt-get --purge remove iceweasel in most cases, I think purge is promoted in a recent version of apt-get in sid |
| 03:04.44 | krazykit | lightning, remote desktop |
| 03:05.34 | gray-matt | krazykit: so very true, I have to wrestle with it at work daily :-( |
| 03:06.33 | somian[0] | I still don't understand quite why or what, but its fascinating. |
| 03:06.48 | lightning | and what if a package will not update? |
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| 03:07.37 | gray-matt | lightning: I don't quite follow you, what do you mean? |
| 03:07.51 | lightning | for example ttf-gentium will not update for me |
| 03:08.49 | Aquaraptor | I've been able to shrink/resize HTF+ partitions in seconds |
| 03:09.00 | Aquaraptor | NTFS usually takes a few minutes, even for a 60gb drive |
| 03:09.11 | Aquaraptor | s/HTF+/HFS+ |
| 03:09.22 | GhostlyDeath | I did 80GB about 36% down to 37GB |
| 03:09.25 | craigevil | ttf-gentium wont update, you have to remove it and install ttf-sil-gentium |
| 03:09.27 | gray-matt | lightning: a package should update if the version in the repo is greater than the version on your system, this can be stopped by pinning but that should be discussed at another time |
| 03:09.36 | GhostlyDeath | now ntfsclone is going.. |
| 03:10.19 | lightning | gray-matt: so no force updating? |
| 03:10.25 | GhostlyDeath | hopefully my NTFS 3.1 drive isn't broke... |
| 03:11.03 | gray-matt | lightning: no need to, apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade will generally do all the updating you need |
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| 03:11.46 | lightning | okay so basically gnome groups packages, like openoffice |
| 03:12.17 | gray-matt | lightning: yes the gnome package is a metapackage of sorts |
| 03:12.25 | lightning | gray-matt: thanks for the help |
| 03:12.38 | gray-matt | lightning: no problem, good luck! |
| 03:14.40 | gray-matt | well, it's been swell folks, see you laters |
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| 03:15.12 | nerdzyboy | are there any good vpn clients for debian? |
| 03:15.21 | GhostlyDeath | wow gaim sucks for IRC.... |
| 03:15.23 | pl0nk | how do I create a new partition with parted ? |
| 03:15.26 | gray-matt | kvpnc |
| 03:15.30 | gray-matt | works great |
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| 03:15.43 | GhostlyDeath | I hate being forced to use it on this Live CD |
| 03:15.59 | nerdzyboy | k thanks |
| 03:16.15 | pl0nk | parted gives me a simple command line thing and when I try to create a new partition entry .. primary .. it ignores me |
| 03:16.54 | jamesbrink_ | crap! i ran iptables flush on a remote server |
| 03:16.58 | jamesbrink_ | this is sucky |
| 03:17.24 | GhostlyDeath | did you just DHCP release? |
| 03:17.37 | nerdzyboy | would kvpnc run on xfce or only kde? |
| 03:17.37 | jamesbrink_ | me ? |
| 03:17.52 | krazykit | nerdzyboy, it'll run on any desktop environment you want |
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| 03:17.57 | e[] | ghostlydeath: can you still not install xchat ? |
| 03:18.08 | nerdzyboy | k |
| 03:18.26 | e[] | ghostly i believe you can temporarily install it. if you want. |
| 03:19.18 | e[] | apt-get xchat |
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| 03:19.22 | e[] | blah |
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| 03:19.36 | GhostlyDeath | i'm just redoing partitions |
| 03:19.40 | GhostlyDeath | but it's taking forever |
| 03:19.46 | GhostlyDeath | and now I am pissed |
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| 03:24.19 | matadon | Ok, this is irritating. Had a mobo replaced by Dell under warranty, now the tg3 driver is unusable -- but in an odd way. eth0 barfs on any attempt to use ifconfig, but I now have a magic new 'eth2' device. Found a similar problem here, except I don't have an /etc/iftab: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=206106&highlight=Tigon3 |
| 03:24.25 | matadon | Any ideas? |
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| 03:26.46 | tcsetattr | it's that damn udev. |
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| 03:28.11 | lightning | does anyone know how to set a default directory for a shell |
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| 03:29.26 | lightning | nobody knows |
| 03:29.46 | krazykit | what do you mean, default directory? |
| 03:29.59 | krazykit | when you open a new shell, you usually go to your home folder. you want to change that? |
| 03:29.59 | tcsetattr | shells go in /bin, usually. |
| 03:30.26 | lightning | krazykit: yes |
| 03:30.33 | tcsetattr | no, when you start a shell it inherits the parent process's current directory. |
| 03:30.38 | matadon | tcsetattr: Yep, just figured that out. |
| 03:30.46 | lightning | i don't want to start in /home/brandon |
| 03:30.52 | lightning | i want to start in root |
| 03:30.56 | matadon | tcsetattr: Caches the MAC of the ethernet cards it finds on install in rules.d |
| 03:31.02 | lightning | if it's possible |
| 03:31.17 | matadon | Is there a good place I can put my fix so that the next poor schmuck who googles for it won't get stuck? |
| 03:31.24 | tcsetattr | for the latest discussion of the idiocy of udev renaming ethernet interfaces (fresh flamage today!), http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/8/2/104 |
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| 03:32.48 | matadon | tcsetattr: Yay, I needed some help with my barbecuing anyway. |
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| 03:33.27 | lhrrwcc | who is willing to create a lenny amd64 repository with cleartype patches for freetype, libcairo2, .. ? |
| 03:33.31 | matadon | It's not that this is a bad thing -- I like that my interfaces don't change on boot with modules. On the flip side, it would be nice if there was a BIG BLOODY NOTE telling admins that they had better be careful when they swap ethernet devices. |
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| 03:34.36 | matadon | BRB -- going to plug my server back in to the tubes. |
| 03:35.05 | nerdzyboy | is there a simple way to make wifi work? |
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| 03:36.40 | lhrrwcc | i never have troubles with wifi |
| 03:36.51 | nerdzyboy | you never use it? |
| 03:36.55 | lhrrwcc | haha |
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| 03:37.07 | lhrrwcc | i mean, i have no hard time configuring it |
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| 03:37.54 | nerdzyboy | I read so many different way to make it work on various message boards, I dont know where to begin... |
| 03:39.37 | nerdzyboy | what's the chipset of your card? |
| 03:39.57 | krekon | what could I do to save some data from a hardisk that has crashed? Is it true that I have to put it in refrigerator for hours before try to save my data? |
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| 03:40.16 | lhrrwcc | rt61, i don't use it right now, but i configured some laptops |
| 03:40.31 | krazykit | krekon, depends on what crashed. the freezer trick is an absolute last resort |
| 03:40.36 | lhrrwcc | nerdzyboy, but, if you don't compile your kernel by hand, there is problably a module |
| 03:40.47 | nerdzyboy | my card is an rt2400 |
| 03:40.54 | lhrrwcc | krekon, you kidding? :) |
| 03:41.05 | nerdzyboy | do I have to use ndiswrapper? |
| 03:41.10 | lhrrwcc | depending on your fs, there are recovering tools |
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| 03:41.38 | lhrrwcc | nerdzyboy, look if your card is detected by issuing dmesg |
| 03:41.48 | nerdzyboy | I know ndiswrapper supports my card, but I dont fully understand how to make everything work... |
| 03:41.52 | lhrrwcc | or just google man |
| 03:41.57 | krekon | krazykit it is serious. I have tried to make backup but nothing happened. I also tried in windows but nothing |
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| 03:43.01 | krazykit | krekon, once you have exhaused all other means, the freezer trick is a last resort. you can really only do it once, as i recall, due to condensation and general wear. |
| 03:43.15 | krazykit | krekon, welcome to the group of people that now do backups of important data :D |
| 03:44.00 | krekon | how long I must put hard disk in freezer? |
| 03:45.02 | krazykit | dunno. google it. |
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| 03:45.05 | tetonca | I'd put it in a sealed bag. |
| 03:45.11 | krazykit | i've always done backups, so it's been a non-issue for me |
| 03:45.35 | tetonca | You figure it sat on UPS docks for 3 days in January so 3 days sounds okay to me. |
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| 03:46.38 | lhrrwcc | nerdzyboy, you have the module rt2400 loaded? |
| 03:46.50 | xacier | anyone running pa-risc? |
| 03:47.03 | xacier | is it fully supported? |
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| 03:48.13 | Rusty1 | xacier: http://www.debian.org/ports/hppa/ |
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| 03:48.21 | xacier | not much info there |
| 03:49.06 | Glombool | I run a webserver. Everything was working fine until I ran an apt-get upgrade. I believe it upgraded the cron daemon, and now, none of the cron jobs actually run. Any suggestions? |
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| 03:49.33 | Gnea | Glombool: is the crond daemon running? |
| 03:49.43 | Glombool | Gnea: I believe so, let me double check... |
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| 03:51.02 | Glombool | Yup, PS 4047 cron |
| 03:51.34 | lhrrwcc | the upgrade of cron, irrc doesn't affect any config file |
| 03:51.39 | lhrrwcc | iirc |
| 03:51.44 | Gnea | Glombool: any errors about /USR/SBIN/CRON in /var/log/syslog? |
| 03:52.09 | Gnea | lhrrwcc: unless it's an unknown bug |
| 03:52.12 | Glombool | I'll go check it |
| 03:52.27 | lightning | does gaim do voice, or pidgin |
| 03:52.49 | lhrrwcc | lightning, not debian spcefic :) |
| 03:53.08 | lhrrwcc | Gnea, a extremelly weird and big one :) |
| 03:53.18 | Glombool | ...woah, that's a big file :) 20mB |
| 03:53.25 | Gnea | lhrrwcc: won't know until it's diagnosed :) |
| 03:53.34 | Gnea | lol |
| 03:53.36 | Glombool | Gnea: just waiting for it to open now |
| 03:53.41 | speeves | glombool: grep CRON /var/log/syslog |
| 03:53.51 | pingouin | which is the Debian/Etch version for core2duo ? if i want to run it 64 bits ? ia64 is ok ? |
| 03:53.55 | Gnea | Glombool: best way is to open it with less or grep |
| 03:53.58 | Glombool | yeah, that would be easier. |
| 03:53.58 | speeves | glombool: or use less |
| 03:54.00 | Glombool | lol |
| 03:54.08 | speeves | :) |
| 03:54.14 | lhrrwcc | pingouin, the ia64 |
| 03:54.16 | lhrrwcc | for intel |
| 03:54.20 | Gnea | pingouin: ia64 is itanium, it's no the same |
| 03:54.20 | lhrrwcc | amd64 for amd |
| 03:54.25 | Gnea | *not |
| 03:54.34 | Gnea | lhrrwcc: wrong, amd64 is for amd and intel |
| 03:54.43 | lhrrwcc | ah, yes |
| 03:54.46 | Gnea | intel, aka EM64T |
| 03:54.54 | lhrrwcc | name convention |
| 03:55.01 | Glombool | Gnea: Holy cow... lots of stuff here |
| 03:55.02 | Gnea | pittrap :) |
| 03:55.17 | lhrrwcc | debian on amd64 is so bad :( |
| 03:55.20 | Gnea | Glombool: yup, i usually run a: tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 03:55.21 | speeves | I believe the intel 64-bit chip was licensed from amd... no? |
| 03:55.27 | Glombool | Dont see errors, but I do see webhost /USR/SBIN/CRON[25004]: (root) CMD (cd /usr/share/dtc/admin && nice -n+20 /usr/share/dtc/admin/rrdtool.sh >> /var/log/dtc.log) |
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| 03:55.37 | lightning | lhrrwcc: because we don't have flash, or video editing |
| 03:55.43 | lhrrwcc | lightning, i have flash |
| 03:55.46 | Gnea | lhrrwcc: ubuntu seems to work quite nicely |
| 03:55.50 | pingouin | ok, but at http://www.us.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ there is no EM64T |
| 03:55.56 | lightning | lhrrwcc: how did you get it working |
| 03:55.58 | speeves | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.01 | lhrrwcc | Gnea, it doesn't... it works really bad |
| 03:56.06 | pingouin | ia64 or amd64 |
| 03:56.13 | lhrrwcc | speeves, no hang doesn't imply good :) |
| 03:56.17 | Gnea | pingouin: EM64T is covered under AMD64 |
| 03:56.18 | lhrrwcc | lightning, check google |
| 03:56.22 | speeves | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:56.41 | lightning | lhrrwcc: bootstrap and all that? |
| 03:56.50 | pingouin | Gnea: ok, so i go for amd64 , thanks |
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| 03:57.01 | lhrrwcc | speeves, i have flash running using firefox (iceweasel or whatever) |
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| 03:57.14 | Glombool | I don't know. I can't find any errors, but I know my cron jobs are not running. |
| 03:57.23 | xacier | ia64 going highend |
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| 03:57.37 | xacier | average consumers no longer have access to it |
| 03:57.45 | Glombool | I have a backup from just before I updated, but I didn't catch the problem for a few days... |
| 03:57.51 | lhrrwcc | in fact, a lot of applications can be used in amd64 even if there is no official package |
| 03:57.53 | xacier | mainly server cracks |
| 03:57.53 | Glombool | Time to wade through backups! |
| 03:58.05 | lhrrwcc | for example, to get cleartype in lenny amd64, its easy as hell |
| 03:58.25 | lhrrwcc | just get the patches sources for gutsy and build/install them |
| 03:58.27 | lhrrwcc | its just 2 lines |
| 03:58.51 | pingouin | lhrrwcc: any url for the Debian/Etch 64b ? to make stuffs work (like flash etc) please ? |
| 03:58.52 | lhrrwcc | sudo apt-get source --build blah && sudo dpkg -i blah |
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| 03:59.12 | xacier | is there a high encryption browser for debian? |
| 03:59.58 | xsdg | xacier: "high" as in... |
| 04:00.07 | lhrrwcc | pingouin, without chrooting? |
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| 04:00.37 | Glombool | ....aw, dpkg-reconfigure cron didn't do the trick either :( I was hoping... |
| 04:00.46 | pingouin | lhrrwcc: i dont know, never tried 64b Debian. Just bought a new core2duo.... |
| 04:00.58 | pingouin | lhrrwcc: let's say the easiest way... |
| 04:01.32 | lhrrwcc | get plugina dn viewer: http://www.gibix.net/dokuwiki/en:projects:nspluginwrapper, download ia32-libs-gtk from unstable debian archives (don't need to add anything to sources.list), install alien, convert the rpms that you downloaded (plugin, viewer) to deb install the .deb |
| 04:02.17 | lhrrwcc | download the install_flash_player_version_linux.tar.gz, move the plugin into /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins , /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/x96_64/linux/npconfig -i /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so |
| 04:02.21 | lhrrwcc | cp /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ |
| 04:02.23 | lhrrwcc | done |
| 04:02.29 | lhrrwcc | google knows this stuff man |
| 04:02.51 | lhrrwcc | don't panic about 64 bits, everything works |
| 04:02.51 | Gnea | gah, flash is still foobared |
| 04:03.04 | Gnea | not in 64bit, just in my browser |
| 04:03.07 | lhrrwcc | if you want, you can try lenny |
| 04:03.24 | lhrrwcc | linux on x86 64 su** but well, we cannot expect too much from linux |
| 04:03.48 | Gnea | i can watch videos if they're embedded but not directly from youtube or anyplace else |
| 04:03.54 | Gnea | this is... weird and annoying |
| 04:03.58 | lhrrwcc | java stuff? |
| 04:04.08 | Gnea | nah, just straight up flash plugin |
| 04:04.15 | Gnea | sid, iceweasel, flash 9 |
| 04:04.18 | Gnea | x86 |
| 04:04.31 | lhrrwcc | i have lenny, amd64, and works fine |
| 04:04.36 | lhrrwcc | can watch anything |
| 04:04.38 | pingouin | what about the nvidia drivers ? on 64b ? |
| 04:04.43 | Gnea | worked fine up till a few days ago |
| 04:04.47 | lhrrwcc | pingouin, worked fine |
| 04:04.57 | Gnea | pingouin: fully supported |
| 04:05.03 | pingouin | lhrrwcc: even with a 8xxx serie ? |
| 04:05.11 | lhrrwcc | check nvidia website |
| 04:05.15 | maxamillion | Gnea: you are on sid? |
| 04:05.32 | pingouin | lhrrwcc: i meant from the apt |
| 04:05.42 | lhrrwcc | pingouin, check it |
| 04:05.45 | Gnea | lhrrwcc: it's weird - the same error is known and i found it on youtube's site - they say to remove flash and then reinstall it - so i did and it didn't change a thing |
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| 04:05.57 | lhrrwcc | i use propetary drivers (i want 3d accel) |
| 04:05.58 | pingouin | lhrrwcc: but if the drivers from nvidia.com can be installed like on 32b it's ok |
| 04:06.01 | Gnea | maxamillion: no, i'm running hamm, that's why i said sid |
| 04:06.15 | xacier | high ! as in high |
| 04:06.16 | maxamillion | Gnea: do you by any chance have experience with pypanel+openbox on dual monitors? (i am having problems with this in etch, but was wondering if it was fixed in sid) |
| 04:06.20 | lhrrwcc | Gnea, the browser doesn't output anythingg? |
| 04:06.31 | maxamillion | Gnea: a simple 'yes' would have sufficed you ass clown |
| 04:06.34 | Gnea | maxamillion: nope |
| 04:06.41 | lhrrwcc | maxamillion, in that case, try to compile it by hand, if it works then its debian :) |
| 04:06.45 | Gnea | maxamillion: you are now on /ignore |
| 04:07.01 | xacier | you still get ia64 via oem builders |
| 04:07.08 | xacier | mainly servers |
| 04:07.11 | shwouchk | which is quicker for uploading, sshfs or sftp? |
| 04:07.24 | lhrrwcc | shwouchk, this is not ssh |
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| 04:07.26 | xacier | dell, ibm, all that have stopped tho |
| 04:07.27 | maxamillion | lhrrwcc: well, its actually an issue with python-xlib .. i've been bug tracking for about a week and i pin pointed it to that |
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| 04:07.34 | pingouin | is there a chan about debian 64 ? |
| 04:07.43 | shwouchk | lhrrwcc: really? |
| 04:07.48 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 04:07.48 | dpkg | methinks amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about nspluginwrapper |
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| 04:07.54 | lhrrwcc | shwouchk, really, its not debian specific question man |
| 04:08.14 | lhrrwcc | ftp for sure its faster than ssh |
| 04:08.38 | shwouchk | lhrrwcc: does that mean no one using debian will know? |
| 04:08.47 | pingouin | Gnea: many thanks |
| 04:08.56 | pingouin | !nspluginwrapper |
| 04:08.57 | Gnea | pingouin: have fun :) |
| 04:09.05 | enveezee | is there some way to take new group memberships in a pre-existing screen session? |
| 04:09.09 | shwouchk | lhrrwcc: but isnt sftp just based on ssh as well? |
| 04:09.12 | lhrrwcc | shwouchk, we can talk about religion, sex, and stuff, and there is ppl who will known, but this is debian |
| 04:09.18 | pingouin | Gnea: i guess, i gonna have pain instead ;) |
| 04:09.19 | Gnea | shwouchk: yes |
| 04:09.19 | lhrrwcc | shwouchk, yes, sftp is over ssh |
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| 04:09.54 | pingouin | some can ask this stupid bot to tell me about !nspluginwrapper, it doesnt send me anything |
| 04:10.18 | lhrrwcc | pingouin, do what i told, it will work |
| 04:10.24 | Gnea | !nspluginwrapper |
| 04:10.24 | dpkg | somebody said nspluginwrapper was a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is officially in *unstable*, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/ |
| 04:10.25 | enveezee | pingouin: then maybe it doesn't know what you are talking about |
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| 04:10.49 | pingouin | enveezee: i think it doesnt like me ;) |
| 04:10.57 | enveezee | pingouin: I was just about to say that next |
| 04:10.58 | enveezee | heh |
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| 04:11.21 | enveezee | dpkg, do you like pingouin? |
| 04:11.27 | lhrrwcc | in any case, i use flash as swap |
| 04:11.27 | enveezee | heh |
| 04:11.29 | Gnea | lol |
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| 04:11.40 | lhrrwcc | swap is the useless thing ever done |
| 04:11.43 | lhrrwcc | too primitive |
| 04:11.45 | sid | I'm looking for that package that helps you remove cruft. It will go through all packages you have installed and you can press "y" to keep it, or "p" to purge it, "r" to remove it etc. It's a CLI program, it's not deborphan |
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| 04:11.58 | smtlaissezfaire | Hi all. I'm having some problems figuring out how to set the PATH for sudo |
| 04:12.15 | tcsetattr | damn, if you'd just used deborphan instead you'd have the job done by now |
| 04:12.18 | smtlaissezfaire | I've read the man pages, and it seems to indicate that the PATH will be the value of the user who invokes the sudo command. |
| 04:12.27 | sid | tcsetattr: I went to the grocery store. |
| 04:12.34 | sid | deborphan sucks, there is a better package. |
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| 04:12.52 | lhrrwcc | aptitude? |
| 04:12.55 | smtlaissezfaire | I've changed the PATH of my current user to add a certain directory, as well as root's, and even in /etc/profile, but still sudo doesn't seem to recognize the path. |
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| 04:13.05 | Nergar | hello |
| 04:13.08 | tcsetattr | debfoster? |
| 04:13.40 | tetonca | smt: the path you have to trace out from /sbin/init forward, but that may be overkill. |
| 04:13.45 | Nergar | i installed debian in my lap with netinstall cd, and i did't used a mirror |
| 04:13.59 | sid | ahh, that is the one thanks tcsetattr |
| 04:14.09 | pingouin | lhrrwcc: did you installed the nvidia drivers on your 64b debian, from the nvidia web page like we usually do on 32b , sh NVIDIA_blabla ? |
| 04:14.19 | lhrrwcc | yes |
| 04:14.27 | lhrrwcc | i have a "custom" kernel |
| 04:14.29 | tcsetattr | glad we solved that mystery |
| 04:14.30 | Nergar | i already configured sources.list and installed xfce but i don't know how to start X |
| 04:14.46 | pingouin | it works 'out' of the box ? need to move some files to make it work ? |
| 04:14.55 | Nergar | i do it with startx but i want X to start automatically |
| 04:15.06 | smtlaissezfaire | tetonca: I'm a bit of a newbie. Could you guide me on the right path on how to do such a thing. |
| 04:15.12 | lhrrwcc | Nergar, make some script in /etc/init.d/ |
| 04:15.24 | lhrrwcc | pingouin, just worked |
| 04:15.28 | lhrrwcc | 0 problem |
| 04:16.06 | pingouin | lhrrwcc: ok, many thanks for you advices and feedbacks |
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| 04:16.12 | lhrrwcc | no problem |
| 04:16.22 | tetonca | smtlaissezfaire: Not tonight, sorry. I've configured sudo once pretty thoroughly in the past but I'm not using it now except in a clumsy way. /etc/inittab is where to start tracing init; starts with I think /etc/init.d/rcS or something along those lines. |
| 04:16.35 | lhrrwcc | don't worry too much about amd64, and if its gaaves troubles, use 32 bits |
| 04:17.02 | Nergar | lhrrwcc, also i have to run dhclient to connect, do i make a script also? |
| 04:17.03 | pingouin | lhrrwcc: you're running the last available version ? ( 100.14.11 ) |
| 04:17.14 | lhrrwcc | yes |
| 04:17.33 | pingouin | lhrrwcc: i wish to try, but...feel like gonna be painfull... :/ |
| 04:17.34 | lhrrwcc | Nergar, dhclient once installed, makes an /etc/init.d/ script i guess |
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| 04:18.30 | Nergar | lhrrwcc, everytime I boot, i need to run dhclient, so i guess theres no script, let me see |
| 04:19.03 | tetonca | smt: 'sudo -s' gives a root shell. From there you can fix anything sudo can do (visudo probably). |
| 04:19.05 | lhrrwcc | Nergar, edit one script, and in the last line (before some exit 0) put dhclient and done |
| 04:19.23 | Nergar | ok |
| 04:19.43 | Nergar | instead of startx can i use gdm? |
| 04:19.44 | smtlaissezfaire | tetonca: Well doing this seems to give the path: sudo echo $PATH |
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| 04:21.00 | tetonca | smtlaissez: you could try PATH=$PATH:/my/dir sudo <foo> <bar> |
| 04:21.09 | smtlaissezfaire | tetonca: I've used sudo sh before, and then run visudo, which seems to work |
| 04:21.10 | tetonca | That would append. |
| 04:21.23 | tcsetattr | if you type "sudo echo $PATH" your shell expands $PATH before executing sudo. |
| 04:21.41 | tetonca | That sounds right to me also. |
| 04:21.52 | nerdzyboy | How Do I deactivate acpi? |
| 04:22.09 | lhrrwcc | where? |
| 04:22.13 | lhrrwcc | kernel? noacpi |
| 04:22.15 | tetonca | acpi=off or noacpi |
| 04:22.25 | nerdzyboy | k |
| 04:22.39 | nerdzyboy | so I just add it to the grub option line? |
| 04:22.44 | tetonca | yep. |
| 04:22.46 | lhrrwcc | yeah |
| 04:22.48 | smtlaissezfaire | ah. Good point. |
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| 04:23.15 | lhrrwcc | someone tested 2.4.X with amd64? |
| 04:23.22 | lhrrwcc | 2.6 is so slow |
| 04:24.29 | smtlaissezfaire | tetonca: It's probably more secure to call the thing with an absolute path, anyway. |
| 04:24.50 | SapoChule | anyone know if I can resize a NTFS partition from the debian installer? |
| 04:25.02 | lhrrwcc | SapoChule, i don't bet onthat |
| 04:25.02 | SapoChule | netinstall, that is |
| 04:25.09 | SapoChule | hum, ok thanks |
| 04:25.39 | lhrrwcc | even if it does, i recommend it doing using another tool than debian installer |
| 04:26.33 | SapoChule | hum, I might give it a go, it's a brand new HD, nothing to lose really (-: |
| 04:26.50 | lhrrwcc | so, erase everything :) |
| 04:27.31 | tetonca | smt: I think that's how I used sudo -- coded absolute paths to /all/ commands I wanted the user to be able to exec. |
| 04:27.35 | SapoChule | too radical d: |
| 04:27.57 | tetonca | smt: and had one user that had no privs /besides/ 'sudo -s'. |
| 04:28.24 | smtlaissezfaire | Strange that the sudo man page says this: Note, however, that the actual PATH environment variable is not modified and is |
| 04:28.24 | smtlaissezfaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:28.44 | smtlaissezfaire | But I suppose that is the program that sudo executes... |
| 04:29.03 | tetonca | You could write a shell script to test the path sudo uses. |
| 04:29.12 | smtlaissezfaire | Not to the shell(?) which sudo executes in. |
| 04:29.36 | tetonca | sounds like it'll be annoying to research it properly. ;) |
| 04:29.52 | smtlaissezfaire | tetonca: well, doing sudo sh; echo $PATH gives me the path. |
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| 04:30.03 | Vooloo | are there any Sony Vaio laptops that work "flawlessly" with debian? |
| 04:30.11 | smtlaissezfaire | Or am I wrong about that? |
| 04:30.34 | tetonca | smt: not sure really. if you replace /sbin/init you should be able to determine what gives the PATH correctly. |
| 04:30.55 | tetonca | smt: e.g. 'linux init=/usr/local/bin/myinit.sh' on boot. |
| 04:31.14 | tetonca | Then you'd know what sudo sees. |
| 04:31.29 | tetonca | Then just trace out init to see where it is getting the $PATH from. |
| 04:31.56 | tetonca | It will kernel panic if that script ends btw. ;) |
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| 04:32.14 | smtlaissezfaire | yeah - I'm in no rush to go that route. |
| 04:32.20 | tetonca | it's not hard to do. |
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| 04:33.00 | tetonca | I'm assuming you are uncomfortable with $PATH as sudo inherits it. |
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| 04:34.20 | freetos | howtoforge.com needs a "perfect setup" with xen |
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| 04:37.47 | smtlaissezfaire | tetonca: yeah - it's because of the retarded apt-get installation of Ruby gems. |
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| 04:39.50 | grilled-cheese | has anybody here had success installing vmware-server on lenny? |
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| 04:42.42 | kryptoz | does a bad entry in the fstab (that of an extra harddisk - "/dev/sdb1 /bigdisk") prevent the server from booting up ? |
| 04:42.44 | kryptoz | ? |
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| 04:45.24 | bliss | hi |
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| 04:47.03 | bliss | how come LUKS does not decrypt partition on boot? |
| 04:48.32 | MangosDebian | bliss: /etc/crypttab |
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| 04:49.59 | bliss | MangosDebian: thanks I will take a look |
| 04:50.21 | user1__ | what's the benefit of sys-v boot process and rc.d |
| 04:50.57 | streuner | user1__: isnt google allowed in your country? |
| 04:51.36 | user1__ | i don't know |
| 04:51.40 | infernal_jesus | streuner: google is a spy tool. I know this because I watched Bourne Supremacy |
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| 04:52.40 | bliss | MangosDebian: this is in /etc/cryptab hda5_crypt /dev/hda5 none luks |
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| 04:55.27 | bliss | MangosDebian; i can acess home dir no probs but my understanding was that when I give the luks password at boot then does /dev/hda5 become decrypted? |
| 04:55.59 | MangosDebian | bliss: for a root partition on a fresh install thats crypted, yes thats the way it should work |
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| 04:56.13 | nerdzyboy | I followed "http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/401" to install the drivers of my wireless card, but when I get to do "ifconfig wlan0 up", it says that there is no such device. I looked in /etc/network/interfaces and there was no wlan0 device, what should I do now? |
| 04:56.31 | nerdzyboy | (the guide says that the device should be created automatically) |
| 04:57.56 | tcsetattr | use ifconfig -a to see if the device exists. |
| 04:57.57 | Vooloo | do people still laugh at you for running ubuntu? |
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| 04:58.23 | nerdzyboy | it does not |
| 04:58.42 | nerdzyboy | it is not defined in /etc/network/interfaces either... |
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| 05:01.05 | tcsetattr | it won't be in /etc/network/interfaces until you put it there. |
| 05:01.19 | nerdzyboy | and what should I put? |
| 05:01.19 | tcsetattr | but that won't do any good until the interface exists. |
| 05:01.26 | bliss | MangosDebian: ok thanks, maybe its not encrypted just that Gparted thinks it is? as in /dev/hda1 ext3 /boot 243mb : /dev/hda2 extended 37Gb ; /dev/hda5 unknown 37Gb |
| 05:01.41 | nerdzyboy | All I know is that the drivers are installed in ndiswraper |
| 05:02.28 | MangosDebian | bliss: if you picked a crypted setup it might be. run cryptsetup luksDump /dev/hda5 and see what it thinks |
| 05:03.49 | nerdzyboy | anyone knows how to create the interface? |
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| 05:04.54 | infernal_jesus | nerdzyboy: have you seen if your wireless interface is eth1? |
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| 05:05.15 | nerdzyboy | no I only see eth0 and lo |
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| 05:05.28 | nerdzyboy | (eth0 being wired ethernet) |
| 05:05.37 | JeffH | Does anyone know where CUPS writes its log files by default? /var/log/cups/error_log is empty for me. |
| 05:05.42 | infernal_jesus | nerdzyboy: what wireless card? |
| 05:05.55 | bintut | hello all.. where can i find a more detailed explaination for the error when envoking "apt-get build-dep <package_name>" if the source package is from unstable? |
| 05:05.56 | infernal_jesus | nerdzyboy: and try "ifconfig eth1 up" |
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| 05:06.26 | nerdzyboy | its a smc something, based on rt2400 |
| 05:06.51 | nerdzyboy | No such device |
| 05:06.58 | infernal_jesus | nerdzyboy: oh |
| 05:07.08 | infernal_jesus | are you sure you installed the drivers correctly? |
| 05:07.09 | bliss | MangosDebian: take a look here http://www.pastebin.ca/644005 |
| 05:07.32 | nerdzyboy | yes, I did everything according to the guide |
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| 05:07.43 | infernal_jesus | oh then I have no idea |
| 05:07.45 | nerdzyboy | ndiswrapper says that the drivers are installed |
| 05:07.58 | bintut | anyone here familiar with "apt-get build-dep <package_name>"? |
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| 05:10.11 | MangosDebian | bliss: looks like a luks (read encrypted) partition to me |
| 05:10.57 | musya | does anybody know what the command for upgrading from sarge to etch is? |
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| 05:11.35 | bliss | MangosDebian: so its not decrypted on boot? ok so how to decrypt from the command line? |
| 05:12.47 | MangosDebian | bliss: it should be automatic. but manually you would run something like cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/hda5 hda5_crypt |
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| 05:13.05 | musya | anybody ? |
| 05:14.01 | jlc | !tell musya upgrade sarge to etch |
| 05:14.19 | jlc | http://www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/103/133/ |
| 05:14.30 | jlc | or your first google hit |
| 05:15.14 | jlc | or check out the topic |
| 05:15.16 | jlc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:15.43 | bliss | MangosDebian: your correct :Command failed: Device already exists |
| 05:15.45 | jlc | !tell musya sarge->etch |
| 05:16.01 | jlc | i'll figure out dpkg/irc one of these days ;) |
| 05:16.03 | JeffH | what's the option in ssh to tunnel a port? |
| 05:16.41 | MangosDebian | bliss: sounds like its already mounted. perhaps it has a blank password |
| 05:16.45 | infernal_jesus | JeffH: man ssh |
| 05:16.47 | jamesd_ | man ssh its more complicated than that.. |
| 05:17.00 | infernal_jesus | :P |
| 05:17.48 | bliss | MangosDebian: typed the luks password on boot strange that Gparted cannot see it |
| 05:18.12 | MangosDebian | bliss: so you did type a password on startup? |
| 05:18.45 | jlc | JeffH: you asked for just the options, i think man ssh has it as -w |
| 05:18.54 | jlc | just looking quick though |
| 05:19.09 | bliss | MangosDebian: yes during the boot startup |
| 05:19.32 | Kevin` | JeffH -w is used to make a full ip or ethernet tunnel, to tunnel a single port use -L or -R |
| 05:19.38 | MangosDebian | bliss: ok, you made it sound as if it wasnt when you said: < bliss> how come LUKS does not decrypt partition on boot? |
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| 05:20.06 | xacier | what is a good imageviewer package? |
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| 05:20.19 | streuner_ | gqview |
| 05:20.26 | xacier | is it good? |
| 05:20.33 | streuner_ | no, its crap |
| 05:20.38 | streuner_ | :-P |
| 05:20.39 | bliss | MangosDebian: my fault its just not clear how to access /dev/hda5 |
| 05:20.42 | xacier | hmmm |
| 05:20.45 | musya | that tutorial doesnt work |
| 05:20.50 | musya | at least for me it didnt |
| 05:20.52 | streuner_ | xacier: just try it |
| 05:20.56 | xacier | oka |
| 05:20.59 | xacier | :) |
| 05:21.16 | jlc | bbl |
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| 05:21.38 | MangosDebian | bliss: you are "accessing" it by using your system. its /dev/mapper/hda5_crypt that is the decrypted partition on /dev/hda5 if thats what you mean |
| 05:23.30 | bliss | MangosDebian: sorry what I ment was that I was uncertain why Gparted gives an unknown partition when its in fact decrypted |
| 05:23.42 | xacier | cool stuff, thx |
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| 05:23.56 | MangosDebian | bliss: which partition are you using? |
| 05:24.49 | seanp2k | what music playing software do you all use? I need something that handles 80gb of music quickly, has a library browser, and an EQ |
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| 05:25.44 | JeffH | okay.. so I've setup a cups printer on my Linux server and can print to it just fine locally and remotely via windows. When I look at the printer status it says 'accepting jobs' However, whenever I try to send a job to the printer from OS X I get a log message that says the printer is not accepting jobs. Any ideas? |
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| 05:26.20 | bliss | MangosDebian: I am in /home/andyp |
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| 05:26.28 | Soldier | hello good evening... |
| 05:26.59 | MangosDebian | bliss: I meant what /dev/ device did you try your software with? /dev/hda5 or /dev/mapper/hda5_crypt? |
| 05:27.21 | seanp2k | jeffh: i don't know much about CUPS and OSX but could it be the mac? |
| 05:27.48 | seanp2k | jeffh: if you can use it fine with a windows box and locally...have you tried another machine as well? |
| 05:28.06 | JeffH | seanp2k: very possibly.. from what I understand OS X uses CUPS |
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| 05:28.13 | JeffH | sean: don't have another machine. |
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| 05:29.09 | bliss | MangosDebian; I am almost certian its with /dev/mapper/hda5_crypt |
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| 05:30.47 | Vooloo | anyone with up to date laptop that runs debian like a breeze? |
| 05:31.10 | seanp2k | JeffH: IMO I would say it looks like a problem with the Mac and not really your server. As I have never had a Mac I don't really know what to tell ya. Sorry. |
| 05:31.17 | MangosDebian | bliss: well, for one, your cant resize or manipulate your rootfs while your using it. also, /dev/hda5 is the underlying partition that you would need to extend first, then you would nee to decrypt and extend the /dev/mapper/hda5_crypt which contains the fs afterwords if that helps |
| 05:31.24 | seanp2k | JeffH: Maybe try a Mac support channel or forum? |
| 05:31.46 | seanp2k | on an unrelated note, can anyone identify this font? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f0/Screenshot-AlbumPic.png |
| 05:31.50 | JeffH | I've tried.. just thought I'd throw it out here since its CUPS.. thanks anyway. |
| 05:32.17 | seanp2k | JeffH: there might be someone in here who knows more about it. After all, OSX IS bsd/unix |
| 05:32.26 | JeffH | nod. |
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| 05:34.20 | bliss | MangosDebian: I just want to use /dev/hda5 we established that it is already mounted? |
| 05:35.00 | MangosDebian | bliss: yes. type: mount | grep hda5 what do you see |
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| 05:37.43 | bliss | Mangosdebian: command line comes back with nothing |
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| 05:38.31 | MangosDebian | bliss: did you type it on the system with the encrypted drive? what is your / say for "mount"? |
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| 05:42.20 | bliss | MangosDebian: http://www.pastebin.ca/644027 |
| 05:43.04 | MangosDebian | bliss: type: cryptsetup luksDump /dev/mapper/debian-root |
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| 05:44.26 | MangosDebian | actually i didnt want that device sry |
| 05:44.51 | Marupa | hi, just insstalled gnome, set up freenx, and logged in successsfullly. freenx logs me in fine, and i can ssee the deesktop, but I can't click on aany of the gnome-panels. whicih makes it useless. |
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| 05:45.30 | bliss | MangosDebian: /dev/mapper/debian-root is not a LUKS partition |
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| 05:46.14 | MangosDebian | bliss: yes, I know sry. It would appear that hda5 is your luks partition, but you dont even have it being used it would appear. |
| 05:46.34 | MangosDebian | bliss: perhaps you installed a second debian and have a left over hda5 thats encrypted |
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| 05:47.42 | bliss | MangosDebian: maybe, solution if any? |
| 05:47.54 | MangosDebian | bliss: you mentioned hda2. try cryptsetup luksDump /dev/hda2 also, you may want to read up on lvm or try running vgdisplay -v |
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| 05:49.22 | bliss | MangosDebian: Can't open device: /dev/hda2 |
| 05:50.08 | MangosDebian | bliss: sorry, hda2 wasnt a primary. check your vgdisplay -v debian though and see if you can find out what your /dev/mapper/debian-root is |
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| 05:51.45 | Marupa | any ideas for the problem I'm having? |
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| 05:54.32 | lightning | Marupa: what is your problem? |
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| 05:54.54 | bliss | MangosDebian: http://www.pastebin.ca/644036 |
| 05:55.49 | MangosDebian | bliss: why are you showing me this? i thought I was helping you find what your device is? |
| 05:56.02 | MangosDebian | bliss: if you understood this, you would know your answer by now no? |
| 05:56.38 | Marupa | Just installed gnome on a headlesss system, and using freenx to connect to it. I can log in just fine to freenx, and gnome comes up, but I can't click on any of the gnome panels. I've tried restartting the session, killing the panels (they wouldn't come back up). it's effectiively useless cause i can't usse tthe panels. desktop icons work, however. |
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| 05:58.15 | MangosDebian | bliss: I think your best bet at this point would be to research up on lvm so you can understand what that listing means, and in turn find out the device your after to use gparted with (hint, its in that listing). Worst case, just reformat and reinstall and keep doing so until you understand how all this encryption works |
| 05:59.01 | bliss | MangosDebian: thanks |
| 05:59.03 | MangosDebian | bliss: I hope I am not leaving you stranded, but if you with to pursue encryption, don't you think you should at least understand how your data is stored on your own after I have helped you this far? |
| 05:59.31 | bliss | MangosDebian: yes thankyou |
| 05:59.51 | MangosDebian | bliss: np. gl with it. lvm+crypto is always fun. l8r |
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| 06:00.50 | bintut | anyone here familiar with the 'apt-get build-dep' tool? |
| 06:00.54 | bliss | MangosDebian: well it was there on install i was going to use loop-aes but thaks |
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| 06:01.51 | MangosDebian | bliss: i think you were better off with lvm crypto (luks) than loop backed. I believe that swap + loop has serious issues with write order. might wanna check into that before you go that route |
| 06:01.53 | lizalomIR | mmm i need helpp |
| 06:01.54 | seanp2k | does anyone in here use banshee (music player) |
| 06:01.55 | lizalomIR | =) |
| 06:01.57 | bintut | because, everytime i do this command: "apt-get build-dep <package_name>" i get this error: |
| 06:01.58 | bintut | E: Build-Depends dependency for asterisk cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements |
| 06:02.27 | bintut | how can i make it more verbose? |
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| 06:02.39 | bliss | hi |
| 06:02.41 | seanp2k | because I can't get it to load a samba share and was wondering if there is a workaround. |
| 06:02.43 | lizalomIR | i am installing debian 4.0 over Micrsofot Virtual PC, but im installing the NET cd, netinstal, however i gota problem now, this computer is connected via wifi (wirless card) so when it trys to find sources ftp.deb.... it wont access the internet how can i fix this |
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| 06:03.13 | lizalomIR | cany help lease |
| 06:03.15 | lizalomIR | would appreciate |
| 06:03.22 | bliss | MangosDebian: sorry missed your last point I will do somw reading thanks |
| 06:03.26 | seanp2k | lizalomIR: at this time I believe the net install does not support WiFi |
| 06:03.32 | lizalomIR | damn |
| 06:03.34 | lizalomIR | that sux |
| 06:03.35 | seanp2k | lizalomIR: I just plugged mine in |
| 06:03.37 | lizalomIR | not even |
| 06:03.39 | seanp2k | no biggie |
| 06:03.40 | lizalomIR | over virtual pc??? |
| 06:03.42 | MangosDebian | bliss: i think you were better off with lvm crypto (luks) than loop backed. I believe that swap + loop has serious issues with write order. might wanna check into that before you go that route |
| 06:04.07 | lizalomIR | like nat shared or something> |
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| 06:04.09 | seanp2k | what is virtual PC |
| 06:04.17 | lizalomIR | microsoft virtual pc |
| 06:04.18 | lizalomIR | is like Vm ware |
| 06:04.59 | seanp2k | AFAIK debian net install doesn't support wifi. if you're using an OS emulator you might be able to emulate network connectivity as if it were a wired device |
| 06:05.13 | seanp2k | it would vary based on what you're using to emulate. |
| 06:05.15 | bliss | MangosDebian: you see cannot reinstall at the moment my son uses the xp on vmware on home but I wil try to get hd5 up somehow |
| 06:05.59 | lizalomIR | aint that a biotch |
| 06:06.04 | lizalomIR | emulate? |
| 06:06.08 | lizalomIR | how in the world will i do that now? |
| 06:06.16 | lizalomIR | im runing somethign similar to vm ware.. and almost to the end |
| 06:06.23 | lizalomIR | it just wants to verify connection |
| 06:06.45 | lizalomIR | seanp2k: would it be easy for me to emulate |
| 06:06.57 | lizalomIR | os emulator |
| 06:07.30 | MangosDebian | bliss: hehe, np. but I think its right in your face and your not seeing what ive been getting at. :) gl finding your data. |
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| 06:08.16 | lizalomIR | seanp2k: u there homie |
| 06:08.22 | lizalomIR | seanp2k: help a poor dude out |
| 06:08.28 | bliss | MangosDebian: yep you almost certaimly correct |
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| 06:08.44 | seanp2k | lizalomIR: I have no idea how to use M$ Virtual PC or whatever |
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| 06:08.50 | seanp2k | sorry |
| 06:08.55 | lizalomIR | hah ok thanks for help |
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| 06:13.14 | bliss | MangosDebian: /dev/debian/home has a gig size of 29.03 that should tell me something |
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| 06:13.55 | seanp2k | where do samba shares get mounted? |
| 06:13.57 | MangosDebian | bliss: almost sounds like its already mounted ;) |
| 06:14.13 | seanp2k | i.e. i have a remote drive mounted, where is it? |
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| 06:14.50 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
| 06:16.07 | ricky | Hi! |
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| 06:19.34 | khaleel5100 | i have a 1gb usb (custom compiled 2.6.18 kernel) .the device manager shows that there is a 'datatraveller 2.0' connected but i cannot mount it |
| 06:19.43 | khaleel5100 | i have debian 4.0 |
| 06:19.50 | khaleel5100 | lspci :- http://rafb.net/p/EoSf6H53.html |
| 06:20.01 | khaleel5100 | lsmod:- http://rafb.net/p/QF0PzI22.html |
| 06:20.12 | khaleel5100 | any idea? |
| 06:20.15 | khaleel5100 | what to do |
| 06:21.19 | tcsetattr | modprobe sd_mod |
| 06:21.29 | bliss | MangosDebian: and its alocatable and available and even read/writeable |
| 06:22.09 | khaleel5100 | tcsetattr: fatal module not found |
| 06:22.18 | Marupa | any ideas on why gnome-panel would just freeze up like tthat? |
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| 06:24.01 | khaleel5100 | tcsetattr: my .config of this kernel http://rafb.net/p/7nRTzb73.html |
| 06:27.43 | Aquaraptor | woah, I just got a weird error in my deb install |
| 06:28.07 | Aquaraptor | "the swap partition that was found in uswusp's config file is not active" |
| 06:28.18 | Aquaraptor | I formatted a 1gb swap partition! |
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| 06:29.01 | Aquaraptor | I guess I should just continue? |
| 06:29.30 | treeshoo | Hi, I get this error: mailing to remote domains not supported. What do I need to change for sendmail to be able to send to all domains? |
| 06:29.52 | khaleel5100 | 6/quti |
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| 06:34.57 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:34.57 | dpkg | <florian> how can i make sound faster and more stable? <greycat> sound? *faster*? <greycat> you want to hear chipmunks? |
| 06:35.04 | Tremitos | you tell me ;) |
| 06:35.35 | bliss | liable: i will in NZ in october wish me lok |
| 06:35.41 | abchirk | !ops MAxiMuS means to send me "FreePr0nLinks" over query... ;) |
| 06:35.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abchirk complains about: MAxiMuS means to send me "FreePr0nLinks" over query... ;) |
| 06:36.11 | liable | bliss: have fun, its a very pretty country |
| 06:36.12 | abchirk | *on join |
| 06:37.13 | bliss | liable: have plenty of time to read about lvm on the filght over |
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| 06:40.27 | abchirk | Bhaal <3 |
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| 06:43.39 | MolePrince | Hello. COuld someone recommend a console browser that supports javascript please? My bank site requires it. |
| 06:44.29 | abchirk | hm I dont know if Lynx or w3m can do that |
| 06:45.11 | Kevin` | I know linux (links2 maybe) does some javascript.. |
| 06:45.29 | Kevin` | dunno about w3m, might |
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| 06:55.55 | dimir | Moin! |
| 06:56.00 | abchirk | moin |
| 06:56.01 | nuxis | wow that was a record |
| 06:56.11 | nuxis | 10 minutes not talking :D |
| 06:57.50 | abchirk | Anyone knows how to find out the wlan device in /dev I want to change the rights that I can use and set up it with a normal user. |
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| 06:59.39 | xand | abchirk: network devices dont apepar in /dev |
| 06:59.41 | xand | so youc ant |
| 06:59.45 | nuxis | yea |
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| 07:00.21 | abchirk | hm but how I can change the rights for this? |
| 07:00.29 | xand | you dont |
| 07:00.32 | abchirk | mh |
| 07:00.44 | abchirk | yes would be for wlan...and I am the only one on this laptop :P |
| 07:00.45 | nuxis | it's not smart I think and I don't know you can do it neither |
| 07:01.03 | xand | I suspect you'd have to make ifconfig etc setuid but it's a bad idea |
| 07:01.10 | Kevin` | abchirk if you want to do it as a normal user use sudo or use the gui tools - which will elevate themselves as needed |
| 07:01.13 | abchirk | hm yes sounds like that |
| 07:01.14 | xand | or sudo |
| 07:01.31 | abchirk | ah ok Kevin` maybe thats a solution |
| 07:01.37 | Kevin` | actually with selinux you could probably allow it |
| 07:01.43 | Kevin` | but that's annoying to mess with |
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| 07:12.29 | MrMary | can someone plz explain ./ to me? |
| 07:13.20 | nuxis | MrMary: ./ run's a program in a folder |
| 07:13.27 | nuxis | it execute |
| 07:13.42 | MrMary | ./ then program name? |
| 07:13.45 | nuxis | yes |
| 07:13.52 | nuxis | but the program needs to be executable |
| 07:13.59 | MrMary | ok cool thats what i thought |
| 07:14.02 | nuxis | :) |
| 07:14.14 | MrMary | executable premission? |
| 07:14.16 | nuxis | if it is not executable do chmod 777 program name |
| 07:14.18 | nuxis | yes |
| 07:14.25 | nuxis | I think that is the right one |
| 07:14.31 | MrMary | cool hey i'm learning! |
| 07:14.32 | nuxis | It work's always for me |
| 07:14.33 | nuxis | xD |
| 07:16.12 | infernal_jesus | nuxis: I don't think that's safe :P |
| 07:16.28 | nuxis | yea I know 777 is not the right one but it works :D |
| 07:16.39 | nuxis | I think it make's executable for everyone |
| 07:17.09 | nuxis | am I right? |
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| 07:17.39 | nuxis | pff brb need some food |
| 07:17.52 | nuxis | I'm starving stayed up whole night with no food |
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| 07:18.54 | MrMary | newayz i gotta go to bed tnx agian peeps |
| 07:18.54 | nuxis | "this distro is scary" O_o |
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| 07:19.06 | nuxis | MrMary: np good night |
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| 07:22.32 | Ramattack | Hi all |
| 07:22.38 | nuxis | hi |
| 07:22.48 | Ramattack | I'm running the debian etch kernel and when boot I'm getting : |
| 07:22.49 | Ramattack | ACPI Exception (acpi_processor-0681): AE_NOT_FOUND, Processor Device is not present [20060707]Aug 3 11:04:12 pushes kernel: ACPI: Getting cpuindex for acpiid 0x6 |
| 07:22.54 | nuxis | I'm starving because I need food and I have no food |
| 07:23.14 | nuxis | mhh never had that error |
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| 07:23.32 | Ramattack | could be this because debian kernel is build for two proccessors and my server only has one? |
| 07:23.33 | lizalomIR | can someone point me in the right direction, where could i download debian, but the basic cd |
| 07:23.51 | nuxis | lizalomIR: I give you the link in a sec |
| 07:23.54 | lizalomIR | netinstall wont work for me at the moment so i need one not 1000 that they have over there |
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| 07:24.11 | lizalomIR | nuxis: alrite or if you want if u got a sec =) ill go to the site |
| 07:24.19 | lizalomIR | nuxis: and point out what i dont understand =) |
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| 07:25.04 | nuxis | lunaphyte: it depend's there is a netinstall cd and the full cd's (13 cd's or 4 dvd's) the smartest is to use the netinstall I think |
| 07:25.41 | nuxis | whoops I mean lizalomIR not lunaphyte |
| 07:25.42 | nuxis | xD |
| 07:25.47 | nuxis | lizalomIR: |
| 07:25.49 | lightning | netinstall was hard for me until i had someone walk me through it |
| 07:26.03 | lizalomIR | netinstall is very eas yfor me, but |
| 07:26.03 | nuxis | lizalomIR: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 07:26.07 | lizalomIR | it does not work with wifi |
| 07:26.07 | nuxis | for the cd's |
| 07:26.09 | lightning | nuxis: what wm and de do you run |
| 07:26.25 | lizalomIR | nuxis: cds right, but too many, can i just get one? |
| 07:26.26 | nuxis | what window manager? |
| 07:26.29 | lizalomIR | nuxis: like ubuntu |
| 07:26.43 | Ramattack | anyone who nows this please? |
| 07:26.44 | lizalomIR | nuxis: what window manager? |
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| 07:26.46 | nuxis | lizalomIR: well no... the packages of xorg etc... are in all the cd's |
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| 07:26.49 | lightning | lizalomIR: i installed with just the first cd |
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| 07:27.02 | nuxis | Ramattack: sorry but I have no idea |
| 07:27.04 | lightning | lizalomIR: but i wasn't on wifi |
| 07:27.04 | Ramattack | don't know if this could cause crashes or... something like that... |
| 07:27.13 | nuxis | lightning: you can install a base system with the netinstall |
| 07:27.18 | Ramattack | nuxis, don't worry mate thanks a lot anywau |
| 07:27.20 | Ramattack | anyway |
| 07:27.27 | nuxis | FU** I mean lizalomIR |
| 07:27.41 | lizalomIR | nuxis: can i get one cd, and that one that will connect via wifi |
| 07:27.56 | nuxis | lizalomIR: if you install a base system, then you have not x running. Then you can install the good drivers for you wirelesz |
| 07:28.02 | lightning | nuxis: i know what you mean |
| 07:28.16 | nuxis | lightning: yea soz I having probs with tab |
| 07:28.18 | lizalomIR | nuxis: all from one cd? |
| 07:28.28 | lightning | heh, not a problem |
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| 07:28.50 | nuxis | lizalomIR: just the netinstall and then don't use network mirror but, you will have a very minimalst system |
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| 07:29.02 | lizalomIR | i see |
| 07:29.06 | lizalomIR | so debian is big? |
| 07:29.08 | nuxis | lizalomIR: no X, etc... |
| 07:29.14 | lightning | lizalomIR: you can install with just one cd, but you probably won't get wifi working right away |
| 07:29.15 | nuxis | lizalomIR: depends on you needs |
| 07:29.20 | lizalomIR | so how many cds do i areally have to download |
| 07:29.26 | nuxis | lizalomIR: one :) |
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| 07:29.31 | lizalomIR | ok if i installed it with one cd |
| 07:29.36 | lizalomIR | how would i get driver for wifi |
| 07:29.38 | nuxis | well I never used the 14 cd's :p |
| 07:29.42 | lightning | lizalomIR: my suggestion would be to use the onecd if you only have a cd burner and plug in via lan somewhere |
| 07:29.43 | lizalomIR | download driver to cd and then copy it? |
| 07:29.45 | nuxis | lizalomIR: depends on you card |
| 07:30.04 | lizalomIR | oh ok |
| 07:30.08 | nuxis | lizalomIR: the best thing to do is install acx100 (if it is the best one) |
| 07:30.08 | lizalomIR | so there is plug and play in linux? |
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| 07:30.14 | nuxis | lizalomIR: yes |
| 07:30.27 | lizalomIR | nuxis: ok |
| 07:31.01 | nuxis | lizalomIR: What I should do with only wireless --> install base system, install drivers for my wireless (in my case acx100) then install and upgrade my system |
| 07:31.41 | lizalomIR | nuxis: when i install base system, will i be able to install drivers for wirless without internet? |
| 07:31.56 | nuxis | ooow... euh not tought about that :D |
| 07:32.00 | lizalomIR | nuxis: because what i am doing, is downloading cd at work with internet, bringing burned cd home and installing |
| 07:32.13 | lizalomIR | nuxis: but home has no internet without wifi |
| 07:32.29 | lizalomIR | ya makes it better now eh? hehe =) |
| 07:32.31 | nuxis | this is rather complicated |
| 07:32.33 | lizalomIR | thats what im doin |
| 07:32.36 | lizalomIR | it is? |
| 07:32.39 | nuxis | well.. |
| 07:33.14 | lizalomIR | id like to do this |
| 07:33.19 | lizalomIR | download one or two cds |
| 07:33.20 | nuxis | you can download the source of acx100 then and burn it onro a disc |
| 07:33.22 | lizalomIR | that will make run wifi |
| 07:33.26 | nuxis | lizalomIR: NO |
| 07:33.32 | lizalomIR | ok |
| 07:33.35 | nuxis | lizalomIR: you need to install the wifi drivers |
| 07:33.41 | lizalomIR | ok |
| 07:33.48 | lizalomIR | wait, im sorry, what is acx100 |
| 07:33.54 | nuxis | and for that you need a internet connection |
| 07:34.03 | nuxis | acx100 is a driver for the most wireless cards |
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| 07:34.10 | lizalomIR | ok |
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| 07:34.11 | lizalomIR | how about this |
| 07:34.14 | lizalomIR | what if i used netinstall |
| 07:34.17 | ttl_work | greetings folks |
| 07:34.21 | nuxis | hey ttl_work |
| 07:34.22 | lizalomIR | well i could |
| 07:34.29 | lizalomIR | take the damn laptop to a friends house |
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| 07:34.41 | nuxis | that will work fine :) |
| 07:34.44 | lizalomIR | connect internet directly to ethernat port and use netinstal lcd to install base system hehe |
| 07:34.47 | ttl_work | I have a strange problem with appache2 running on lenny |
| 07:34.59 | lizalomIR | but what would be the proper way to install base system and wifi drivers once netinstall cd is installed |
| 07:35.07 | nuxis | lizalomIR: then you don't need to install only base system |
| 07:35.13 | ttl_work | when i restart apache2 i get the following http://pastebin.org/66 |
| 07:35.24 | lightning | lizalomIR: then you go into synaptic and pick the driver/package you want to install |
| 07:35.24 | lizalomIR | nuxis: i dont get it now hehe, which do i need to install then? |
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| 07:35.31 | lizalomIR | nuxis: i can install wifi drivers without base sys? |
| 07:35.36 | lightning | and by then you'll be online so people can assist you set it up properly |
| 07:35.38 | nuxis | lizalomIR: no ofc not |
| 07:36.01 | lizalomIR | lightning is confusing me over here thats why haha i keep thinkin nux is writing |
| 07:36.17 | lizalomIR | im stil la bit lost though |
| 07:36.18 | nuxis | lizalomIR: I would say install debian using netinstall you can select packages at the beginning there will be something about x server |
| 07:36.22 | lizalomIR | install base or no/ |
| 07:36.28 | lizalomIR | r8gyt |
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| 07:36.33 | lizalomIR | yes yes, ok right track now |
| 07:36.33 | ttl_work | it also seems that my site in /var/www/test is not found |
| 07:36.35 | nuxis | install base + Xorg |
| 07:36.47 | lizalomIR | base + xorg? |
| 07:36.50 | nuxis | ttl_work: /var/www/apache2-default |
| 07:36.58 | nuxis | lizalomIR: yea you will see |
| 07:37.08 | lizalomIR | nuxis: ok |
| 07:37.14 | lizalomIR | like gui? |
| 07:37.15 | nuxis | lizalomIR: just when you come to the packages to choose press enter :D |
| 07:37.17 | nuxis | yea |
| 07:37.38 | lizalomIR | i see |
| 07:37.44 | nuxis | well if you are by you friends open irc on his comp with you laptop next to it |
| 07:37.45 | lizalomIR | dang i could have sworn i didnt see that option for xorg |
| 07:37.55 | nuxis | and the guys here will help you :) |
| 07:37.56 | lizalomIR | but i will look again, i believey ou though =) |
| 07:38.04 | nuxis | :)ok |
| 07:38.13 | lizalomIR | sweet =) |
| 07:38.23 | lizalomIR | someone else i found here helpfull very much, gray-mat |
| 07:38.29 | lizalomIR | =) |
| 07:38.44 | nuxis | :D |
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| 07:39.09 | lizalomIR | thanks a bunch =) |
| 07:39.16 | nuxis | ttl_work: you tried /etc/init.d/apache2 restart? |
| 07:39.19 | nuxis | lizalomIR: np |
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| 07:39.49 | nuxis | lizalomIR: everyone is here very helpfull if they have time and know you question :D |
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| 07:40.25 | lightning | gkrellmwireless is what lizalomIR want right |
| 07:40.29 | lizalomIR | true |
| 07:40.33 | lizalomIR | this is much better then dalnet |
| 07:40.39 | lizalomIR | dalnet linux helpers.. woahhh |
| 07:40.45 | ttl_work | nuxis: does exactly the same |
| 07:40.46 | nuxis | ttl_work: ...? |
| 07:40.49 | lizalomIR | its like you join a freakin army |
| 07:40.53 | nuxis | ttl_work: mhh.. |
| 07:40.59 | lizalomIR | all they say is man this man that |
| 07:41.03 | lizalomIR | 'man this man that' |
| 07:41.04 | lizalomIR | haha |
| 07:41.07 | nuxis | ttl_work: I installed the apache server with easy success |
| 07:41.10 | lizalomIR | man could be tough for noobs |
| 07:41.40 | ttl_work | nuxis: me too on 3 other machines |
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| 07:41.56 | ttl_work | nuxis: don't know what the problem could be on this one |
| 07:42.09 | nuxis | lizalomIR: my self I would never recommand debian for "beginners" however it's the stablest and flexibels distro I know |
| 07:42.21 | nuxis | ttl_work: it's a weird error |
| 07:42.35 | nuxis | DAMMIT |
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| 07:42.58 | lightning | silly typist |
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| 07:43.19 | nuxis | lightning: xD |
| 07:43.27 | nuxis | my tab get's stuck sometimes |
| 07:43.36 | lightning | nuxis - outta control! |
| 07:43.54 | nuxis | ttl_work: it seems that the apache is running local or something 172.0.0.1 but wonder wye he does that |
| 07:44.15 | lightning | nuxis: try with the keyboard on your lap, you'll get way more used to it |
| 07:44.31 | nuxis | lightning: ..... I'm on my laptop :p |
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| 07:44.34 | lightning | nuxis: unless it's a laptop, well then.. |
| 07:44.41 | nuxis | lightning: rofl :D |
| 07:44.45 | lightning | :D |
| 07:44.55 | lightning | in which case you'll need to type better |
| 07:45.08 | nuxis | yea I try to type to fast :D |
| 07:45.31 | lightning | i can tell, slow and easy over here |
| 07:45.32 | nuxis | one I tried to say "How are you?" I sayed "Hiw qre yiu?" |
| 07:45.42 | ttl_work | nuxis: dunno, anything i put in /var/www is not found also |
| 07:46.14 | nuxis | ttl_work: mmh, what maps do you have in /var/www? |
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| 07:46.29 | nuxis | ttl_work: I'm not an expert on apache |
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| 07:46.37 | MangosDebian | damn, big ass storm a brewing here |
| 07:46.47 | ttl_work | going to try: aptitude purge apache2 && aptitude install apache2 |
| 07:46.48 | MangosDebian | wish ontario luck tonight :) |
| 07:46.52 | nuxis | ttl_work: so probably I'm not can help you :( |
| 07:46.57 | nuxis | ttl_work: yea |
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| 07:47.08 | nuxis | ttl_work: maybe it works |
| 07:47.12 | ttl_work | nuxis: only test, and no it's no available from outside :) |
| 07:47.24 | nuxis | ttl_work: :D |
| 07:47.32 | nuxis | ttl_work: I'M SOO TIRED :( |
| 07:47.34 | ttl_work | nuxis: only on the local net |
| 07:47.38 | nuxis | ttl_work: and tonigh to linux club |
| 07:47.48 | bliss | MangosDebian: in contrast sunshine |
| 07:48.00 | ttl_work | nuxis: from where are you ? |
| 07:48.05 | nuxis | ttl_work: I have running apache2 for my website :) and ftp server is running also there and ssh for screen and irssi :D |
| 07:48.09 | MangosDebian | bliss: weather was too nice today. figures |
| 07:48.09 | nuxis | ttl_work: belgium |
| 07:48.17 | ttl_work | nuxis: me too |
| 07:48.20 | nuxis | ttl_work: :D |
| 07:48.22 | MangosDebian | oh well, time to shut it all down for a bit. l8r guys |
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| 07:48.35 | lightning | bye MangosDebian |
| 07:48.37 | nuxis | ttl_work: now don't say tina club else I break |
| 07:48.56 | ttl_work | nuxis: YES |
| 07:49.00 | bliss | MangosDebian: bye |
| 07:49.01 | nuxis | ttl_work: ROFL |
| 07:49.05 | ttl_work | numist: HVR :-) |
| 07:49.10 | nuxis | ttl_work: yep |
| 07:49.27 | nuxis | ttl_work: this is funny, name? |
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| 07:49.55 | bliss | liable: got a question are you still in |
| 07:50.02 | nuxis | ttl_work: you come tonight? |
| 07:50.05 | lightning | how can i apply a title when irssi is launched? |
| 07:50.39 | lightning | irssi config? |
| 07:50.44 | lightning | noo |
| 07:51.13 | nuxis | pff I never stay up whole night when the next night linux club is :( |
| 07:51.33 | nuxis | lightning: No idea, I google for it sec |
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| 07:52.49 | bliss | liable: take a peep here tell me what you see where is /dev/hda5 located? http://www.pastebin.ca/644106 |
| 07:53.05 | nuxis | lightning: can't you use sort of parameter ? for it like irssi -terminaltitle.. or something like that |
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| 07:55.45 | lightning | nuxis: i think so |
| 07:56.05 | lightning | gnome-terminal --help |
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| 07:59.42 | Ramattack | anyone who has heard this ? http://pastebin.com/d272f72e7 please with debian stock kernels?? |
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| 08:02.12 | Knight_Lord | How can I have spamassassin to work with kmail? |
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| 08:04.17 | lightning | galeon to hide scrollbars, that could be sweet |
| 08:05.59 | nuxis | lightning: found it? |
| 08:07.26 | harpal | Knight_Lord: join spamassassin |
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| 08:08.03 | lightning | nuxis: yes |
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| 08:11.10 | Knight_Lord | harpal thanks, i tihnk i got the hang of it |
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| 08:13.08 | lightning | what do yall use for pdf's |
| 08:13.20 | SoulChild | lightning: evince |
| 08:13.23 | Sweetandy | lightning, evince |
| 08:14.04 | SoulChild | how can print a line of a log with "error" OR "warn" OR "fail" in it? i alread got: "cat /var/log/dmesg |grep "error" |
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| 08:15.46 | capiira | hmm hi anyone know why audacious is not creating a directory in home to add skins etc. ? |
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| 08:15.57 | capiira | testing release! |
| 08:16.16 | lightning | thank you. |
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| 08:18.21 | Fare | I get an OOM when configuring texlive-base-bin !!! |
| 08:18.59 | Fare | why does debian insist on recomputing some caches entirely after each and every package that affects it? |
| 08:19.07 | capiira | ahhh they changed the dir path |
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| 08:19.34 | capiira | to /home/user/.local/share/audacious |
| 08:19.38 | lightning | what file browsers do yall use? |
| 08:19.52 | capiira | nautilus and thunar |
| 08:21.07 | xand | cd and ls |
| 08:21.12 | xand | oh, and bash :P |
| 08:21.20 | galataranator | oh and efm |
| 08:22.53 | lightning | i can't make the opposite of this character in terminal > |
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| 08:25.17 | lightning | bbl |
| 08:27.30 | Fare | looks like it's forking mktexfmt to death :( |
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| 08:28.58 | Supaplex | use a spoon |
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| 08:29.26 | cedric_ | bonjour tout le monde |
| 08:29.30 | cedric_ | !rules |
| 08:29.31 | dpkg | i heard rules is 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. |
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| 08:30.37 | cedric_ | anyone has information about ftp2.fr.debian.org ? It seems broken... |
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| 08:43.04 | crm_ | is the airport express client a standard package with lenny? |
| 08:43.20 | crm_ | or etch for that matter? |
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| 08:55.57 | deadcat | how can i record streaming videos from a website? |
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| 09:02.44 | karmatronic | nobody there ? |
| 09:04.30 | streuner | deadcat: ever tried google? :-) |
| 09:04.51 | streuner | deadcat: according to the first hit: http://all-streaming-media.com/record-video-stream/all-streaming-video-recording-software.htm |
| 09:04.59 | streuner | deadcat: vlc and mplayer :-) |
| 09:05.41 | karmatronic | deadcat: what are you trying to do ? |
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| 09:07.47 | deadcat | karmatronic: http://usatfmasters.sportnet.com/ stream this at a certain time |
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| 09:08.10 | streuner | deadcat: well, you need to find out what protocol they use |
| 09:08.44 | streuner | deadcat: vlc (seems) cannot handle rtsp and mplyer not http (flash) |
| 09:09.05 | deadcat | streuner: it seems like microsoft stuff. not sure.. .asp |
| 09:09.43 | karmatronic | deadcat: vlc can play rtsp streams |
| 09:09.53 | deadcat | but record? |
| 09:10.00 | karmatronic | i mean rstp |
| 09:10.25 | karmatronic | deadcat: if you can read it , you can easily record it |
| 09:10.26 | deadcat | i am looking at teh source. which url do i use? |
| 09:10.51 | streuner | deadcat: rtsp seems to be REAL (tm) |
| 09:11.10 | streuner | i dont think, they use that (asp)... |
| 09:11.18 | deadcat | asx? |
| 09:11.25 | streuner | rather windows media then |
| 09:11.54 | streuner | Protocols |
| 09:12.06 | deadcat | what do i do? |
| 09:12.07 | karmatronic | deadcat: vlc rtsp://server.example.org:8080/test.sdp |
| 09:12.13 | deadcat | k |
| 09:12.16 | streuner | Windows Media,Real Video/Audio,Quick Time,Flash video |
| 09:12.54 | crm_ | iceweazel doesn't know how to open this address karmatronic |
| 09:12.59 | deadcat | vlc is better than mplayer now? |
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| 09:13.13 | streuner | !better |
| 09:13.13 | dpkg | [better] a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 09:13.20 | deadcat | i have mplayer plugin for iceweasel. |
| 09:13.36 | streuner | mplayer plugin sucks |
| 09:13.37 | deadcat | but i need to record it at a certain time when i am not home |
| 09:14.09 | streuner | oh |
| 09:14.49 | streuner | they only show this via web or via TV as well? |
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| 09:15.22 | deadcat | vlc can play the .asx. now i just need to figure how to record |
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| 09:15.57 | zebrik | h1,all |
| 09:16.08 | deadcat | streuner: via web only |
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| 09:17.06 | Mistral | how can i query the apt db so i can find out what package a file is from ? |
| 09:17.12 | deadcat | streuner: tv rarely show track and field. not even the elite athletes.. let alone the granpa game, as my friend calls it (= |
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| 09:17.19 | streuner | Mistral: man dpkg |
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| 09:19.22 | streuner | deadcat: try #mplayer or such then, they might know better |
| 09:19.35 | streuner | Channel Nutzer Thema |
| 09:19.35 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:19.58 | deadcat | k |
| 09:20.01 | streuner | hm, 106 users, there should be someone who know about |
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| 09:21.48 | Mistral | streuner: the man page doesnt mention it ... I know its posisble i cannot remember how todo it. |
| 09:22.20 | streuner | look harder |
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| 09:28.10 | deadcat | streuner: ah.. -playlist http://...asx |
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| 09:29.33 | niru | hi all |
| 09:29.42 | niru | when I install in a laptop |
| 09:30.01 | niru | I did not find the fn+F6 fn+F7 etc key combinations working |
| 09:30.12 | niru | I want to control the volume using the function keys |
| 09:30.21 | niru | which file I need to edit |
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| 09:34.13 | simonrvn | niru: you have etch installed? look for a keytouch and keytouchd set of packages. they handle those "multimedia" keys |
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| 09:36.44 | niru | simonrvn, yes etch installed |
| 09:37.02 | niru | Do you mean keytouch and keytouchd pkgs are responsible for doing that |
| 09:37.15 | niru | if it is not there do I need to install and reboot to test |
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| 09:38.59 | Ramattack | Hi all again |
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| 09:39.22 | Ramattack | I'm going to ask this now to see if perhaps be more lucky now... |
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| 09:39.39 | Ramattack | I'm getting the next error? when I boot the debian kernel ... http://pastebin.com/d272f72e7 |
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| 09:40.00 | lightning | what are runlevels? |
| 09:40.01 | Ramattack | I have now recompiled the debian kernel changing only processor type to Xeon and does the same... |
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| 09:40.05 | bassmacbo | I'll think about it |
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| 09:40.40 | lightning | !runlevels |
| 09:40.40 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf', 'sysv-rc-conf' or 'file-rc' instead - see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 : or ask me about <startup> |
| 09:41.03 | Ramattack | really it's an ACPI exception |
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| 09:45.10 | jetscreamer | !msg |
| 09:45.10 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
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| 09:49.12 | xconspirisist | hey all. |
| 09:49.21 | xconspirisist | I am trying to remove jpg's recursivly. |
| 09:49.30 | cast | man find |
| 09:49.32 | xconspirisist | I'm amazed that rm -r *.jpg does not indeed work. |
| 09:49.51 | cast | that is because the shell expands *.jpg |
| 09:50.30 | xconspirisist | ah right. I'm just reading that man page now. |
| 09:50.42 | antgel | find -name '*.jpg' -exec rm {} \; |
| 09:51.03 | xconspirisist | ah brilliant. Many thanks antgel. |
| 09:51.12 | xconspirisist | Thanks also, cast. |
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| 09:53.43 | Supaplex | ah fooey. nothing. :( |
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| 09:59.19 | simonrvn | niru: no |
| 09:59.27 | nuxis | http://www.pastebin.ca/644106 |
| 09:59.59 | simonrvn | niru: check backports.org to see if they have keylaunch. there may be others that do that stuff i don't know about |
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| 10:09.10 | SupertTimmy | hi all. I have two interface card sin a debian box i just built. In freeBSD (which I normally use) when i run ifconfig it tells me wether the interface is ative or not. How do I tell wether the interface is active with debian? |
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| 10:14.06 | themill | SupertTimmy: ifconfig will tell you if the device is up, ethtool will tell you if there's a cable plugged in |
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| 10:23.09 | Ramattack | anyone there please mates? I'm quite worried and asking help quite desperate now... :( |
| 10:23.34 | sebdah | What's the question? |
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| 10:24.04 | Ramattack | what does this error mean? http://pastebin.com/d272f72e7 |
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| 10:24.28 | Ramattack | well really is a acpi exception |
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| 10:24.46 | Ramattack | and I'm worried because perhaps this could cause crashes in the server |
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| 10:26.21 | sebdah | I don't know the real meaning of that, sorry |
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| 10:31.26 | sdiz | Ramattack: this can't crash your server... just missing some feature such as power management.. |
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| 10:32.26 | disposable | i need to back up my MBR/partition table. do i need to back up first 512 bytes of /dev/sd? or 1024? |
| 10:32.46 | Ramattack | sdiz, and what does that feature do? |
| 10:33.05 | Ramattack | only does the automatic shut down when you do halt? |
| 10:33.17 | cast | disposable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record |
| 10:33.18 | Ramattack | so without pressing button for removing power? |
| 10:33.48 | disposable | cast, thank you |
| 10:34.23 | Ramattack | sdiz, so the only thing this can do is to avoid save some power or... |
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| 10:45.35 | SoulChild | hmm should i use X-Chat or pidgin ? |
| 10:46.08 | cast | irssi |
| 10:46.19 | harlekin | heh! I second that. |
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| 10:46.47 | SoulChild | cast: terminal based ??? no thanks :P |
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| 10:47.18 | antgel | SoulChild: you'll grow out of it :) |
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| 10:47.26 | harlekin | SoulChild: But really considering one of those you mentioned. <: Honestly, *if* you don't want to use irssi, I'd suggest xChat. |
| 10:47.32 | cast | irssi/vim/ssh/screen/gpg...all the best apps are terminal based |
| 10:47.46 | antgel | grep, find... |
| 10:47.46 | cast | x is just there for porn and shuffling around transparent terms |
| 10:47.58 | SoulChild | cast: Oh my god,... vim ,... :S |
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| 10:48.20 | cast | SoulChild: well, its either vim or emacs for best editor...but either way...terminal based |
| 10:48.25 | foutrelis | hey :) |
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| 10:49.18 | SoulChild | cast: Ohh i hate emacs,.. nobody can keep all these shortcuts ,... i prefere nano :-P |
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| 10:49.23 | Flosoft_ | hi |
| 10:49.34 | Flosoft_ | what Kernel should I install on a Core2Duo |
| 10:49.40 | Flosoft_ | (debian etch) |
| 10:49.46 | XPSlammer | Flosoft_: 686 smp |
| 10:49.51 | antgel | Flosoft_: linux! |
| 10:50.02 | cast | Flosoft_: amd64 port |
| 10:50.02 | cahoot | aren't all 686 smp? |
| 10:50.07 | XPSlammer | cahoot: no |
| 10:50.16 | Flosoft_ | kernel-image-2.6-amd64-generic or kernel-image-2.6-em64t-p4-smp? |
| 10:50.16 | themill | XPSlammer: yes |
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| 10:50.27 | cast | Flosoft_: same thing isn't it? |
| 10:50.33 | XPSlammer | themill: nope. not all 686 processors are SMP capable. |
| 10:50.42 | cast | wait..no, ignore me. didn't notice he p4 |
| 10:50.44 | themill | XPSlammer: all recent 686 kernels are |
| 10:50.45 | Flosoft_ | Core2Duo |
| 10:50.57 | cahoot | XPSlammer, meant all 686 kernel images in debian |
| 10:51.06 | foutrelis | I'm trying to enable Apache's mod_auth_digest. I did a2enmod auth_digest and using this configuration http://pastebin.ca/644198 I get this error "Invalid command 'AuthDigestFile'". Debian 4.0 and Apache 2.2.3 :) |
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| 10:51.43 | Flosoft_ | so the amd64 or em64t? |
| 10:51.49 | frankr | hi guys I have an agere winmodem in the laptop I'm working on and I'm wondering if somone could help me to get it working in linux |
| 10:51.50 | Flosoft_ | I need SMP right? |
| 10:51.58 | themill | Flosoft_: not em64t |
| 10:52.03 | Flosoft_ | ok |
| 10:52.13 | frankr | There is a kernel module available.. but when I try to build it it fails |
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| 10:52.24 | Flosoft_ | is the amd64-generic one with SMP? |
| 10:52.37 | Flosoft_ | as it is a DualCore machine, so I want to use both cores |
| 10:52.42 | SoulChild | hey when trying to ./configure a package i get: "configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH" |
| 10:52.52 | themill | !tell Flosoft_ about em64t |
| 10:53.07 | cast | !tell SoulChild about b-e |
| 10:53.09 | toon | Flosoft_: apparently it is yeah, the -smp packages are deprecated |
| 10:53.30 | Flosoft_ | ok |
| 10:53.36 | themill | Flosoft_: you can either use your machine with an amd64 kernel and use it as a single 64 bit processor or use a 686 kernel and use it as two 32 bit processors. |
| 10:53.53 | SoulChild | cast: thank you |
| 10:53.55 | Flosoft_ | and the em64t ones too, they would be for P4HT machines right? |
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| 10:54.51 | SoulChild | Now I get: "checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool" |
| 10:55.01 | themill | Flosoft_: that's not my understanding. Xeons. Bog standard P4 with HT juse uses a 686 kernel with smp |
| 10:55.19 | themill | Flosoft_: (and fakes the second processor with HT) |
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| 10:56.00 | antgel | SoulChild: what do you think you should do? |
| 10:56.13 | themill | SoulChild: search around -- libxml-parser-perl? |
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| 10:57.18 | Flosoft_ | just a last confirmation to use amd64-generic? |
| 10:57.42 | themill | SoulChild: are you familar with perl modules at all? The :: in the name normally indicates a directory so apt-file search XML/Parser will help you |
| 10:57.45 | Flosoft_ | ok |
| 10:57.58 | themill | Flosoft_: I'm using 686 on my Core2Duo and it works quite nicely |
| 10:58.03 | Flosoft_ | ok |
| 10:58.07 | SoulChild | okay thanks |
| 10:58.13 | Flosoft_ | well I already have a 64bit system atm |
| 10:58.18 | pingouin | do you run an nvidia geforce on ? |
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| 10:58.27 | Flosoft_ | no |
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| 10:58.33 | Flosoft_ | its a dedicated server |
| 10:58.36 | pingouin | themill: do you run an nvidia geforce on ? |
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| 10:59.01 | themill | pingouin: no. never actually owned anything nvidia in my life. not sure why. |
| 10:59.22 | pingouin | themill: ok, thanks |
| 10:59.30 | themill | Flosoft_: 64 bit is lovely for some things but you will have trouble with drivers and some userspace stuff until things get smoothed over. For a server, probably not so important though. |
| 11:00.19 | pingouin | themill: what kind of trouble ? (i have a core2duo too, i expect to install debian-amd64 Etch ) |
| 11:00.26 | themill | Flosoft_: some around here will say not to bother with 64 bit unless you want huge memory or huge files, others will say that it's the way to go... |
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| 11:01.10 | antgel | it was a complete waste of time and resources on my desktop |
| 11:01.25 | themill | Flosoft_: IIRC many of the non-free or mostly-non-free things are pants on amd64 still. nvidia, fglrx, sun-java, flash. Even wine is problematic at present. |
| 11:01.43 | pingouin | it's not supose to be 'faster', as core2duo i 64b from stock ? |
| 11:01.43 | Flosoft_ | yeah I know |
| 11:01.44 | dragon | anyone know of a jabber client that works with gtalk's file transfer? |
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| 11:01.52 | SoulChild | okay i know i am stupid,... but what is the package name for glib 2.0 ??? |
| 11:01.53 | Flosoft_ | I use Kubuntu 64bit on my desktop |
| 11:02.08 | antgel | !tell SoulChild about search |
| 11:02.15 | pingouin | damn irssi is not 64b ?! |
| 11:02.17 | antgel | SoulChild: you are not stupid, just lazy |
| 11:02.20 | abchirk | W: GPG error: http://ftp2.de.debian.org etch Release: << what was the dpkg command for that? |
| 11:02.34 | SoulChild | okay i got it ... libglib2 |
| 11:02.41 | simonrvn | abchirk: /topic |
| 11:02.42 | SoulChild | thanks for your toleranze :P |
| 11:03.01 | antgel | thanks for your effort |
| 11:03.32 | themill | !tell abchirk about no public key |
| 11:03.44 | abchirk | ok thx :) |
| 11:03.51 | SoulChild | DAMN why do i need to install so many things just to compile a package ??? |
| 11:04.04 | Flosoft_ | anyway thanks |
| 11:04.13 | Flosoft_ | just gotta try to setup grub now |
| 11:04.20 | themill | SoulChild: what's the package? |
| 11:04.44 | Penix | why do I need to buy so much food just to cook stuff?... |
| 11:04.49 | SoulChild | themill: pidgin ,... the newst verision of the gaim instant manager |
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| 11:05.08 | SoulChild | Penix: ok i got it,.. i shouldn't complain |
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| 11:05.11 | themill | SoulChild: don't like the version that's already in debian? |
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| 11:05.42 | SoulChild | themill: want to look if i can compile from source,.. just to get mroe experince |
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| 11:06.11 | Penix | SoulChild: what are you trying to do? compile pidgin from source? |
| 11:06.19 | Penix | SoulChild: if you're that hellbent, use the ubuntu diff |
| 11:06.28 | themill | SoulChild: you could apt-get build-dep pidgin just to get you on your way |
| 11:06.48 | Penix | SoulChild: build-dep your way to success!...among other things |
| 11:06.53 | SoulChild | themill: ??? could u explain that a bit for me ? |
| 11:07.21 | SoulChild | what does that mean or do ? |
| 11:07.27 | themill | SoulChild: since it's already packaged, you can get apt-get to pull in the build-time dependencies for you in one hit. makes recompiling easier. man apt-get |
| 11:07.49 | antgel | !tell SoulChild about u |
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| 11:10.32 | SoulChild | hmm okay the package is being compiled ,.. thanks for your help :-D |
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| 11:12.49 | eshat | hey irssi is cool |
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| 11:13.05 | Penix | you got that right |
| 11:13.13 | eshat | :D |
| 11:13.47 | chlue | Hello I just bought an external hdd. I can mount the disk from the command line with "mount sdb1 /mnt/usbtest" but the automount of kde fails. Automounting my fat32 formated usbstick works. Is this an issue, because the disk is preformated with ntfs or should it work? (Runnuing Debian testing) |
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| 11:14.12 | user1_ | someome tell me a good howto about syslogd |
| 11:14.37 | Penix | user1_: yes, sir! |
| 11:14.57 | user1_ | fall out |
| 11:15.37 | antgel | chlue: #kde |
| 11:16.39 | chlue | antgel: I allready tried there, but the best idea was to but the disk in the fstab and mount it on systemstart, but I want to be able to hotplug it like an usb-stick. |
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| 11:17.29 | themill | chlue: any noise from hal in your daemon.log when you plug it in? |
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| 11:17.33 | antgel | chlue: can you live with pmount? |
| 11:18.13 | simonrvn | !fgi user1_ sysklogd+howto |
| 11:18.13 | dpkg | user1_: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=sysklogd+howto |
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| 11:20.00 | themill | chlue: you can list it in fstab but not have it mounted at system start. Once in fstab, a normal user and mount/umount from the command line or from konqi |
| 11:20.01 | chlue | themill: no deamon.log is silent, but it is properly tetected in the syslog (Name, capacity, ntfs,....) |
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| 11:22.38 | themill | chlue: do you have hal-device-manager installed? |
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| 11:23.47 | user1_ | too bad i have no access to tldp.org |
| 11:24.02 | chlue | antgel: ok "pmount /dev/sdb1 test" mounted it |
| 11:24.41 | chlue | themill: no only hal and hal-info |
| 11:24.44 | antgel | chlue: yeah and you don't need root if you're in the plugdev group, you should see it in /media/sdb1 |
| 11:25.19 | chlue | antgel: yes seem to work, but I am still curios why kde can't mount it automatically |
| 11:25.50 | SoulChild | hey i now compiled and installed pidgin but synaptics can't find it !?! |
| 11:26.00 | antgel | chlue: *shrug* what i know about kde can be written on a postage stamp |
| 11:26.17 | antgel | SoulChild: and? |
| 11:26.24 | chlue | antgel: Wow then you can write really small ;-) |
| 11:26.26 | themill | SoulChild: if you compiled it and installed it yourself, why would it be visible under synaptics? Did you make a deb package? |
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| 11:26.44 | themill | chlue: there are some magic incantations that are required for kde recently and I've not yet figured them all out. |
| 11:26.48 | abrotman | #debian-kde |
| 11:27.48 | SoulChild | themill: no i didn't that's it... thanks,.. so how do i uninstall then ? |
| 11:27.53 | themill | chlue: it's all part of the recent "make kde behave more like gnome" effort (freedesktop.org) which seems to first break things then fix them rather than just changing them. |
| 11:28.07 | antgel | SoulChild: make uninstall if you're lucky |
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| 11:28.26 | SoulChild | antgel: okay thank you |
| 11:28.45 | antgel | abrotman: see that? i got a thank you. must be good for stats |
| 11:28.50 | SoulChild | antgel: works ;) |
| 11:28.59 | Getty | small question, i have a package which i build with dpkg-buildpackage (its just php where i modified some configure options), but now i add new files, but dpkg-buildpackage dont wanna execute cause of that new files, how i can "add" them to the package? |
| 11:29.01 | abrotman | antgel: i think the stats are gone |
| 11:29.15 | antgel | abrotman: fucking fucksticks |
| 11:29.21 | abrotman | antgel: heh |
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| 11:29.41 | antgel | Getty: can you maybe paste it somewhere sensible? |
| 11:30.00 | Getty | http://paste.debian.net/33959 |
| 11:30.20 | Getty | and then dpkg-buildpackage "stops" |
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| 11:30.36 | antgel | Getty: what did you actually do to "add new files"? |
| 11:30.41 | chlue | themill, antgel: Ok thanks for the help. At least i know now an easy way to mount it with pmount |
| 11:30.48 | Getty | antgel: i copied them into the source directory? ;) |
| 11:31.13 | themill | Getty: you need to insert the new files into the source package if they are binary blobs like that. |
| 11:31.35 | Getty | themill: gimme some keywords/files/commands |
| 11:31.40 | abrotman | vi |
| 11:31.44 | Getty | i'm not a package builder ;) |
| 11:31.48 | Getty | abrotman: nano!!! ;) |
| 11:31.53 | antgel | Getty: the NMG |
| 11:31.58 | Getty | NMG? |
| 11:32.02 | themill | Getty: the new maintainers guide is a good start |
| 11:32.05 | antgel | yes NMG |
| 11:32.07 | Getty | no no i dont wanna maintain |
| 11:32.14 | Getty | i just need a php without SOAP and with odbtp |
| 11:32.15 | Getty | thats all |
| 11:32.21 | Getty | and i want that as package not as plain source |
| 11:32.27 | Getty | nothing big, no big changes or headtricks |
| 11:32.28 | antgel | Getty: would you like to be breastfed? |
| 11:33.02 | Getty | no, just one filename or command that is the supposed way |
| 11:33.04 | Penix | I want a purple elephant that can sing black sabbath's entire catalogue. nothing big though |
| 11:33.22 | simonrvn | forgot the bowtie |
| 11:33.38 | themill | Getty: the new maintainers guide talks about packaging. Since you are trying to package, it would be a good thing to read. It's not that long or boring either ;) |
| 11:33.55 | Getty | hmpf... ok |
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| 11:36.04 | Getty | themill: it is long..... and explains tons of stuff i never will care of :-( |
| 11:36.20 | themill | Getty: it also has a table of contents. |
| 11:36.29 | Getty | i'm reading it right now |
| 11:36.30 | themill | Getty: What do you expect us to do for you? |
| 11:36.35 | Getty | just one keyword? |
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| 11:36.43 | Getty | one filename one command that does what i need, i can find out myself how then |
| 11:36.47 | Penix | Getty: a car manual is long. you don't read the whole thing to find out how to change a filter or something |
| 11:37.03 | antgel | or to get shit out of the carburettor |
| 11:37.03 | Getty | but if you say "the gas increase the speed" i can findout myself in the manual how the gas works |
| 11:37.14 | themill | Getty: the keyword I would give you is that you're trying to go it in completely the wrong way and that you should find out how debian packaging works so that you can do it in the right way. |
| 11:37.15 | Getty | but if i dont even know thats the gas i need.... i must read the complete manual |
| 11:37.19 | Penix | Getty: no. that's us telling you how the gas works |
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| 11:37.47 | Penix | Getty: sections of the maintainer guide describe the exact applications used to accomplish your task |
| 11:37.50 | Getty | themill: so its not possible like i want? |
| 11:38.06 | Getty | Penix then the german translation is smaller, wait i check english original |
| 11:38.17 | Getty | Penix: cause there is nothing in the toc about adding files afterwards ;) |
| 11:38.28 | Penix | Getty: because you don't do that |
| 11:38.34 | themill | Getty: you can't just add binary crap to a debian package. |
| 11:38.58 | Penix | Getty: just like any system, you modify and rebuild |
| 11:39.00 | semprix | hello guys |
| 11:39.04 | Getty | Penix: i cant do taht |
| 11:39.06 | semprix | can we port this to debian? http://www.aptana.com/dev/index.php/Creating_a_Debian_Aptana_IDE_package |
| 11:39.07 | Getty | Penix: tahts the joke |
| 11:39.13 | Penix | Getty: then you're out of luck I guess |
| 11:39.14 | Getty | Penix: dpkg-buildpackage STOPS cause of the added files |
| 11:39.30 | Getty | Penix: he doesnt need to add them to the package laterwards, so technical they just are needed for the compiling |
| 11:39.35 | Getty | Penix: thats my actual problem |
| 11:39.53 | Penix | ok, now you've officially lost me |
| 11:39.58 | themill | Getty: you're not modifying the source, you're adding in binaries to a source package. |
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| 11:40.15 | Getty | themill: yeah they are binary files, and? |
| 11:40.27 | simonrvn | Getty: you're not getting something. it's being "Stopped" because it isn't actually being included |
| 11:40.28 | Getty | themill: i can do make && make install withoout debian and it works, but then its not a debian package |
| 11:40.54 | Getty | simonrvn: no no the complete task is stopped, he just didnt start to compile or do anything |
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| 11:41.00 | Penix | Getty: no, it's not. the maintainer guide tells you how to get the make sequence to lead to a package |
| 11:41.37 | Penix | Getty: tell an .install file about your binaries or something. you can't expect it to mind read |
| 11:41.50 | Getty | Penix: AH! the first filename someone tells me |
| 11:41.52 | Penix | if that's not deprecated by now |
| 11:41.53 | themill | Getty: what you need to create is a *source* package. The *source* package is then compiled and the *binary* packges that you install are made. You cannot include *binary* files in a *source* packge unless they were in the orig download (i.e. images) |
| 11:42.01 | Getty | stop |
| 11:42.07 | Getty | i just want binary packages |
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| 11:42.11 | Getty | i never care about source packages |
| 11:42.16 | Penix | Getty: how do you think you get binaries? |
| 11:42.22 | Getty | ??? |
| 11:42.33 | Penix | Getty: it's a source package, not source code |
| 11:42.36 | Getty | people people, the src i got now with the added files is OK, you can compile and install it and it works |
| 11:42.38 | simonrvn | they pop off the magical binary tree |
| 11:42.44 | Getty | aehm |
| 11:42.49 | Getty | it worked so far lots of times |
| 11:43.14 | Getty | sorry that i just have some new files this time which arent needed to be included in the package cause they are part of the system, its just that php needs them in the path so that he can include them, no idea why but it is |
| 11:43.23 | zamuro | < simonrvn:#debian> they pop off the magical binary tree <-- along with stripper factory and beer volcano? |
| 11:43.23 | Getty | nothing big but ok i read the NMG now, doesnt knowing what i search |
| 11:43.33 | simonrvn | zamuro: yeh |
| 11:43.35 | Getty | you make it more complex then my situation actually is |
| 11:43.46 | Getty | but thanx for the NMG keyword ;) the only so far |
| 11:43.50 | zamuro | Yay! |
| 11:43.58 | simonrvn | gah going in circles |
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| 11:44.10 | simonrvn | *headdesk* |
| 11:44.13 | Getty | LLLOOOOLLLLL |
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| 11:44.15 | Getty | btw |
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| 11:44.23 | Penix | Getty: by the sound of the things, you're taking a vanilla php and trying to cram it into a debian system, right? |
| 11:44.26 | Getty | the answer for my problem is farly easy: dpkg-buildpackage -b |
| 11:44.33 | Getty | but thx professionals ;) <laugh> |
| 11:44.39 | Getty | <Penix: NO! |
| 11:44.44 | simonrvn | professionals? |
| 11:44.48 | simonrvn | ... |
| 11:44.48 | Getty | Penix: i took a debian source package and modified it a bit |
| 11:44.50 | antgel | what a prize cunt |
| 11:44.52 | zamuro | Professionals? |
| 11:44.55 | Getty | Penix: nothing special, no big deal |
| 11:44.57 | simonrvn | Getty: so where's my paycheque? |
| 11:44.58 | Penix | Getty: then rebuild the package |
| 11:45.07 | Getty | Penix: thats what i told all the time what i try todo |
| 11:45.14 | Getty | but if i add files and DONT use -b it stops |
| 11:45.16 | Getty | that was my problem at first |
| 11:45.19 | Getty | that was what i told all the time |
| 11:45.27 | Penix | Getty: stops and tells you what? |
| 11:45.29 | Getty | i dont get the deal why you force me to the NMG just cause of rebuilding a package |
| 11:45.36 | Getty | Penix: see pastebin abovre |
| 11:45.39 | user1__ | how do i make syslogd to listen to remote client to connect |
| 11:45.42 | Getty | http://paste.debian.net/33959 |
| 11:45.51 | simonrvn | to go wipe his face because he got chocolate ice cream on it |
| 11:46.03 | Getty | Penix: so i gave all information, and all information right, and you guys just blamed around without even understanding what the problem is... very cool |
| 11:46.23 | themill | Getty: I think you've missed the point of debian. What's the point in debian if |
| 11:46.33 | Penix | Getty: wild guess: remove the .orig source |
| 11:46.36 | Getty | but hey i found out myself, it works and i'm happy, thx for nothing ;) |
| 11:46.39 | themill | * we stick random binary blobs in the source package? |
| 11:46.43 | Getty | Penix: i already told the solution: dpkg-buildpackage b |
| 11:46.45 | Getty | aehm -b |
| 11:46.55 | Penix | Getty: fine, don't try it |
| 11:47.03 | Getty | if i just build the binary package he doesnt blame about added files |
| 11:47.07 | Getty | and that was just what i wanted |
| 11:47.26 | antgel | Getty: you're doing a fine job of convincing people to help you, next time. and there /will/ be a next time |
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| 11:47.38 | Getty | antgel: hey you started to blame me for doing something wrong |
| 11:47.47 | simonrvn | themill: what Getty wants to do with it is his business. it's not like he was uploading it anywhere official |
| 11:47.47 | Getty | antgel: i just asked a question |
| 11:47.50 | antgel | Getty: that's it, carry on bitching |
| 11:48.02 | Getty | antgel: yeah you started rebitching i go on with it ;) |
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| 11:48.10 | Getty | antgel: i got a compile process running i got time ;) |
| 11:48.11 | abrotman | to your corners! |
| 11:48.14 | simonrvn | we can also just do a mass /ignore |
| 11:48.14 | Penix | hehe |
| 11:48.20 | Penix | ding ding |
| 11:48.23 | antgel | yep, carry on winking like it makes your bitching seem "funny" |
| 11:48.26 | simonrvn | ROUND 1 |
| 11:48.30 | Getty | i got fun :) |
| 11:48.33 | streuner | Getty: hi :-) |
| 11:48.34 | antgel | no skin off my nose |
| 11:48.37 | Getty | streuner: hiho :) |
| 11:48.45 | streuner | Getty: LTNS |
| 11:48.59 | Getty | streuner: never thought that they make it so perfect what we trained just on the .de channel ;) |
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| 11:52.43 | antgel | !engrish |
| 11:52.43 | dpkg | methinks engrish is at http://www.engrish.com |
| 11:52.43 | simonrvn | themill: mind you i agree with you. it isn't kosher, and it's getting done all crazy, but whatever |
| 11:52.43 | Penix | cheap sources of CF cards make me feel warm and fuzzy |
| 11:52.43 | zamuro | Hey... Where are the bikini girls with the round announcer? |
| 11:52.43 | Penix | zamuro: all we've got is cafuego |
| 11:52.43 | antgel | bikini girls make me feel warm and fuzzy |
| 11:52.43 | simonrvn | _o_ |
| 11:52.43 | zamuro | Damn! I feel ripped! |
| 11:52.43 | themill | simonrvn: yep... it'll make maintaining those changes absolute hell... if it was done properly in source packages it would be much easier ;) |
| 11:52.43 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:52.43 | Penix | it ain't pretty |
| 11:52.44 | chlue | what is the desired way to unmount a device mounted with pmount? umount does not like it and eject claims it is busy. |
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| 11:52.45 | Getty | themill: the gag is: i dont maintain this ;) i just need it |
| 11:52.45 | antgel | chlue: pumount |
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| 11:52.45 | simonrvn | Penix: oh eew |
| 11:52.45 | aldin | how to add bitmap fonts (ttys1-ttys6) to konsole/terminal in X, thanks |
| 11:52.45 | Penix | simonrvn: just got it? |
| 11:52.45 | simonrvn | just saw it |
| 11:52.45 | themill | Getty: and the next time a pile of CVE numbers are issued to php and you need to recompile, what happens? |
| 11:52.45 | Penix | heh |
| 11:52.45 | simonrvn | up shit creek on a leaky canoe without a paddle |
| 11:52.46 | Getty | themill: my 2 changes to the rules and my copy a the directory? uuuhhh yes lots of stress ;) |
| 11:52.47 | antgel | he comes here and goes, zis ees not vorkin! |
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| 11:52.47 | Getty | themill: i dont upgrade, its not that i need to be "on the edge" all the time, that version will be used for several months |
| 11:52.47 | antgel | i mean vorkin! ;) ;) ;) |
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| 11:52.47 | themill | Getty: as soon as you start compiling things and pushing them out on your own systems, you are maintaining things. |
| 11:52.47 | themill | Getty: you're going to use the same version of php for several months. Ha. nice joke |
| 11:52.48 | Getty | themill: i do the job since several years now, i just calculate the time needed for the process, calculate the impact risk and problems and then make a decision: that way is the best |
| 11:52.51 | themill | Getty: you must have much more faith in the php code base than anyone else. |
| 11:52.54 | Getty | themill: yeah i will, cause my clients dont allow me to upgrade all the time |
| 11:53.01 | abrotman | bums |
| 11:53.08 | antgel | tits |
| 11:53.09 | chlue | antgel: thanks |
| 11:53.10 | Getty | themill: oh, the biggest hoster in germany still has php 4.1 |
| 11:53.11 | wisp | hey fellas.. i just installed debian last night and I'm sitting down to configure it now.. can anybody tell me how to get back/forward mouse buttons configured properly? is there an easy way or will i need to mock about in xorg.conf like in the old days? |
| 11:53.16 | Getty | themill: so actually i'm very moderm with 5.2 ;) |
| 11:53.21 | unlink | why was #435653 closed? that version of python-apt is not in unstable, but a broken wajig is |
| 11:53.34 | themill | Getty: different set of security holes... (actually, an overlapping set) |
| 11:53.34 | unlink | * a broken version |
| 11:53.41 | Getty | themill: and btw: NOT upgrading is NOT having faith, cause i know its just getting worst |
| 11:54.00 | unlink | a bug was closed, but was not followed up by an updated package |
| 11:54.28 | themill | Getty: you realise that debian backports security fixes to older versions of packages, don't you? You don't need to bump the version. |
| 11:54.29 | Getty | themill: i just say 5.1 -> 5.2 : modifing of overloaded property not allowed |
| 11:54.30 | abrotman | !dbugs 435653 |
| 11:54.33 | dpkg | DONE:#435653:G[python-apt] software-properties: fails with new python-apt; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 11:42:07 UTC |
| 11:54.44 | Penix | damn time consuming glibc builds |
| 11:54.45 | Getty | themill: yeah, and? where is the problem? |
| 11:55.04 | abrotman | unlink: it was just fixed yesterday .. could you wait a day? |
| 11:55.14 | themill | Getty: so you can do security updates without breaking things. but it sounds like you don't do that. |
| 11:55.15 | abrotman | !info python-apt sid |
| 11:55.17 | Getty | themill: the version i build right now is development area, i dont need the fixes there, and the clients in 99% maintain the php themself, i just say what i want |
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| 11:55.34 | dpkg | python-apt: (Python interface to libapt-pkg), section python, is optional. Version: 0.7.3 (sid), Packaged size: 214 kB, Installed size: 1656 kB |
| 11:55.36 | unlink | abrotman: true, but a broken version was uploaded to unstable this morning |
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| 11:55.44 | Getty | themill: yeah if someone tells me without NMG (i dont have time, project/technical leading here) i could make it perfect, but so, i dont have time to waste |
| 11:55.54 | Getty | themill: if i get the time, i will check deeper into it |
| 11:55.56 | abrotman | unlink: different than that bug ? |
| 11:55.56 | unlink | abrotman: i'm fine with waiting a day, but isn't it a little early to close the bug? |
| 11:56.05 | Getty | themill: i'm just already happy that i dont need to make a source installation by my own |
| 11:56.08 | abrotman | !incoming |
| 11:56.08 | dpkg | incoming is probably to be used at your own risk, packages are even dodgier than unstable(see break) but can be got from http://incoming.debian.org/ (but not ftp), or http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-resources#s-incoming-system |
| 11:56.14 | abrotman | unlink: get it from incoming |
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| 11:56.50 | unlink | abrotman: my arch isn't in there |
| 11:57.01 | abrotman | unlink: use the source? |
| 11:57.35 | wisp | anyone? |
| 11:57.52 | abrotman | oh .. the source packgae isn't there |
| 11:58.25 | abrotman | unlink: you'll have to wait for the buildd i suppose |
| 11:58.29 | themill | Getty: it's not that therer's a command we can tell you to use to do it properly, it's about your work pattern. We've told you what is wrong with your work pattern (no binary blobs into source package), how to change it (put the sources into the source package and have the build make all the binaries) and where to find out more about how debian packages work (NMG). I'm not sure there's more we can do. |
| 11:58.42 | unlink | abrotman: i guess |
| 11:58.43 | abrotman | unlink: and if you can't handle issues like this .. don't run unstable |
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| 11:58.55 | unlink | abrotman: i mean, it's a little early to close the bug |
| 11:59.09 | abrotman | it's fixed |
| 11:59.14 | abrotman | bug closed |
| 11:59.19 | unlink | abrotman: ... |
| 11:59.21 | Getty | themill: the binary blobs is jsut cause of the method i include it |
| 11:59.39 | Getty | themill: yeah the -b parameter would have done all of that discussion at start ;) |
| 11:59.41 | abrotman | unlink: the package is fixed .. what do you want .. you're mad because your arch isn't there .. that's not the maintainers fault |
| 11:59.48 | themill | Getty: that's what we've been trying to tell you. |
| 12:00.05 | Getty | themill: what? you wanted to tell me how i need todo stuff you dont know? ;) |
| 12:00.16 | themill | Getty: ? |
| 12:00.24 | unlink | abrotman: i'm not mad at all. i'm simply confused why they would close a bug which doesn't have a fix avilable |
| 12:00.27 | zamuro | !ops Getty trolling |
| 12:00.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: zamuro complains about: Getty trolling |
| 12:00.31 | Getty | you dont know what i add, probably i cant do it other way ;) |
| 12:00.32 | abrotman | unlink: FFS .. it is fixed |
| 12:00.40 | streuner | zamuro: NO |
| 12:00.51 | Getty | but hey, you are god i'm not, so ok, you are right, i'm wrong and thats it ;) |
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| 12:00.54 | abrotman | unlink: as far as the maintainer is concerned .. fix is done .. it's out of his hands |
| 12:00.56 | streuner | !ops Getty doesnt trolling, he is always so... |
| 12:00.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: streuner complains about: Getty doesnt trolling, he is always so... |
| 12:01.00 | antgel | Getty: you are obviously too immature to realise that everyone knows something you don't |
| 12:01.09 | Getty | antgel: he?? |
| 12:01.09 | antgel | oh great, an ops fest |
| 12:01.18 | eth01 | I've just installed pure-ftpd, and it doesn't like it's running :/ |
| 12:01.19 | Getty | antgel: i already accepted that there is a better way |
| 12:01.22 | abrotman | !streuner stop using the stupid bot |
| 12:01.24 | Getty | antgel: you just dont get it ;) |
| 12:01.33 | streuner | abrotman: scroll up |
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| 12:01.42 | antgel | simonrvn: what's the /ig syntax? it's been a long time :) |
| 12:01.43 | streuner | zamuro called ops... |
| 12:01.49 | abrotman | streuner: it was a joke .. calm down ... |
| 12:01.54 | zamuro | lol |
| 12:02.08 | zamuro | Oh, btw... hey, abrotman. ltns |
| 12:02.17 | streuner | abrotman: i dont unterstand jokes pretty well, if someone call OPs and we speak about... |
| 12:02.41 | abrotman | zamuro: hi |
| 12:02.44 | eth01 | where can i edit the pure-ftpd conf? |
| 12:02.50 | abrotman | in /etc/ |
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| 12:03.05 | antgel | who would have thought a conf file would be in /etc? |
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| 12:03.16 | user1__ | i would |
| 12:03.22 | Penix | user1__: you're crazy |
| 12:03.28 | user1__ | do you think it should be in /usr? |
| 12:03.40 | user1__ | where else should it be |
| 12:03.52 | Penix | in C:\ConfigurationFilesAnonymous |
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| 12:05.38 | eth01 | pure-ftpd is one of the worst ftpds, ive ever seen |
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| 12:05.50 | streuner | zamuro: Don't abuse the bot to much next time! |
| 12:06.28 | Penix | eth01: try vsftpd |
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| 12:07.26 | eth01 | i'll take a look, thanks. |
| 12:07.57 | yangvnc | I have a PPPd problem on my PDA , it connects to the phone and disconnects after 60 seconds, and it never completes - http://paste.debian.net/33957 |
| 12:08.23 | liable | theres a persistant flag |
| 12:08.36 | liable | or stupid mode |
| 12:09.14 | yangvnc | i figured out that rfcomm works, but the ppp script doesnt |
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| 12:12.55 | yangvnc | liable: were you talking to me? |
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| 12:14.37 | eth01 | where do you add the users for vsftpd? |
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| 12:15.12 | xand | eth01: probably in /etc/passwd... beware the insecurity of ftp! |
| 12:15.13 | xand | !ftp |
| 12:15.14 | dpkg | it has been said that ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 12:15.23 | cast | eth01: you rtfm before someone owns your server |
| 12:15.39 | pa1adin | no good way to add in /etc/passwd |
| 12:15.43 | antgel | too late ;) |
| 12:15.53 | SlimG | my cronjob won't execute @ debian4.1 neither as root or normal user: */5 * * * * vproweather -x /dev/ttyUSB0 > /tmp/cache && mv /tmp/cache /tmp/weatherdump #should be executed every 5th minute but doesn't |
| 12:16.15 | eth01 | so what do you recommend? |
| 12:16.17 | eth01 | SFTP? |
| 12:16.32 | capiira | hmmm hi anyone know if there is a way to purge removed packages? |
| 12:16.37 | yangvnc | eth01: scp |
| 12:16.48 | themill | eth01: or ftp with TLS |
| 12:16.48 | antgel | capiira: aptitude purge |
| 12:16.56 | streuner | !purge |
| 12:16.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files |
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| 12:17.17 | xand | eth01: sftp or scp, yes |
| 12:17.21 | capiira | nice thank you |
| 12:17.30 | xand | eth01: depends what you're doing though really |
| 12:17.34 | pa1adin | Usually vsftpd is configured to work with system users. This document describes how to install a vsftpd server that uses virtual users from a MySQL database instead of real system users. |
| 12:17.49 | pa1adin | http://www.howtoforge.com/vsftpd_mysql_debian_etch |
| 12:18.00 | xand | I guess that's more secure than using system users, but ftp in general is bad for a number of reasons |
| 12:18.05 | xand | !ftp must die |
| 12:18.06 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
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| 12:19.02 | capiira | does that aptitude purge ~c includes packages removed with apt-get ? |
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| 12:19.19 | H2OyJaBoN | hi" |
| 12:19.31 | eth01 | hrm ok |
| 12:19.39 | hark | capiira: yes, tias |
| 12:20.14 | eth01 | well i have a file on my computer, which i need to upload onto the server, how would i do it? (lets forget ftp) |
| 12:20.57 | Penix | eth01: scp if you're running an ssh server |
| 12:21.06 | eth01 | and what's SCP? hah |
| 12:21.21 | xand | it's basically "cp" over ssh |
| 12:21.30 | xand | scp somefile user@server:/path/to/destination/ |
| 12:21.37 | SlimG | where's the cron log? |
| 12:21.58 | eth01 | so say i wanted to copy a file from a win32 machine? |
| 12:22.06 | abrotman | eth01: use filezilla on your windows box .. and choose the sftp using ssh2 connection option |
| 12:22.10 | xand | eth01: download winscp |
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| 12:22.14 | fireba11 | eth01: use winsco |
| 12:22.19 | xand | or filezilla, whatever you like |
| 12:22.19 | fireba11 | eth01: winscp even |
| 12:22.30 | eth01 | ok abrot ;) |
| 12:22.34 | xand | SlimG: /var/log/syslog |
| 12:22.40 | abrotman | and jesus .. hit the stupid tab key |
| 12:22.41 | eth01 | I have filezilla, ill use that thanks all. |
| 12:22.46 | xand | SlimG: grep CRON /var/log/syslog | less |
| 12:23.04 | Penix | yeah, what abrot said |
| 12:23.09 | xand | haha |
| 12:23.10 | abrotman | !nicktab |
| 12:23.10 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. For example, to address exampleUser, type exam<TAB> and your IRC client will fill in the rest. Keep hitting tab if the letters you typed match more than one nick until you get the right one. |
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| 12:23.28 | SlimG | xand: thank you :) |
| 12:24.14 | eth01 | so with scp, do you just use the your normal ssh info? |
| 12:24.42 | themill | eth01: yes. it looks at your ~/.ssh/config and uses any keys you have defined |
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| 12:25.09 | bliss | hi |
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| 12:25.26 | eth01 | it's connecting, but saying "Fatal: Unable to authenticate"... |
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| 12:25.59 | bliss | ISP does NOT provide static IP whats the next best dynamic static? |
| 12:26.14 | eth01 | get bethere.co.uk lmao. |
| 12:26.24 | SlimG | I'm trying to setup a cronjob with crontab @ etch but it doesn't execute, Is there something I have to do to make cronjobs work? |
| 12:26.34 | abrotman | themill: on windows ? |
| 12:26.40 | cast | bliss: so why are you asking that question here exactly? |
| 12:26.48 | eth01 | #web |
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| 12:27.08 | cast | internet != web! |
| 12:27.11 | themill | abrotman: if you're using the cygwin ssh packages then yes. (was the question actually about windoze?) |
| 12:27.16 | cast | despite what my university says |
| 12:27.29 | abrotman | themill: which OS do you think eth01 is trying to upload from ? |
| 12:27.42 | eth01 | win32.. |
| 12:27.45 | bliss | cast:because liable the best and it will improve my understanding of etch and its million and one commands |
| 12:27.50 | eth01 | to an etch system.. |
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| 12:28.17 | eth01 | but for some reason, it won't connect (fatal error). |
| 12:28.18 | themill | abrotman: ahh... missed that bit |
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| 12:28.32 | abrotman | themill: come on .. you're seeing what he's asking :) |
| 12:28.44 | Absolute0 | anyone here was able to run xebian on their xbox? |
| 12:28.47 | berkes | is it possible to enforce the user of files, created in a certain dir? I want all files and dirs under /foo to be owned by user bar. Even if user berkes makes them. |
| 12:28.53 | themill | abrotman: no actually.. I was having lunch and only caught the last bit |
| 12:28.56 | SlimG | I'm trying to setup a cronjob with crontab @ etch but it doesn't execute, Is there something I have to do to make cronjobs work? |
| 12:29.01 | abrotman | themill: i mean for the last few days |
| 12:29.14 | abrotman | SlimG: what are you actually trying to do ? |
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| 12:29.38 | abrotman | SlimG: and what's the name of the script ? |
| 12:29.58 | eth01 | weird, winscp makes it work. |
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| 12:30.08 | themill | abrotman: nah.... got the flu atm so I'm doped up and the short term memory is rs. either that or I keep forgetting to take my alheimers pills.... |
| 12:30.15 | SlimG | abrotman: I'm trying to add a cronjob with "crontab -e" |
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| 12:30.37 | SlimG | abrotman: to be executed every ..5 minutes |
| 12:31.08 | diilbertAtWork | I am havng a problem with NFS. I have the NFS partition mounted, but I cannot write to the directory from the client. But I can view the files |
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| 12:31.26 | bliss | cast: since my question was offtopic perhaps you might be a able to tell me the what mount point is for /dev/hda5 see the here http://www.pastebin.ca/644106 |
| 12:31.38 | SlimG | abrotman: */5 * * * * vproweather -x /dev/ttyUSB0 > /tmp/cache && mv /tmp/cache /tmp/weatherdump |
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| 12:31.44 | diilbertAtWork | I am using 10.30.1.4:/var/backups /mnt/backups nfs rw,user 0 0 |
| 12:31.54 | diilbertAtWork | On the client |
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| 12:32.20 | xand | diilbertAtWork: is it shared as rw on the server? |
| 12:32.24 | diilbertAtWork | And /var/backups 10.30.1.2(async,no_subtree_check,rw) |
| 12:32.28 | xand | diilbertAtWork: do you have permission to that directory? |
| 12:32.28 | diilbertAtWork | On the server |
| 12:32.41 | diilbertAtWork | xand: How so ? |
| 12:32.53 | themill | SlimG: I presume you've checked that cron is actually running |
| 12:32.53 | xand | diilbertAtWork: root won't work over nfs unless you put no_root_squash as an export option |
| 12:32.58 | diilbertAtWork | I am trying to write to the directory on the client as ROot |
| 12:33.06 | xand | then the above applies |
| 12:33.17 | xand | /var/backups 10.30.1.2(async,no_subtree_check,rw,no_root_squash) is needed |
| 12:33.18 | cast | bliss: mount points are defined in /etc/fstab |
| 12:33.33 | SlimG | themill: No I haven't, I've never used cron before, how do I make it run? |
| 12:34.01 | themill | SlimG: ps axf| grep cron |
| 12:34.05 | diilbertAtWork | xand: thanks... was exactly what I was looking for |
| 12:34.10 | themill | SlimG: to check that it's running |
| 12:34.16 | eth01 | when I try to delete a file using scp, it won't allow me to delete it? :/ |
| 12:34.24 | cast | eth01: use sftp |
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| 12:34.35 | SlimG | themill: seems to be running (/usr/sbin/cron) |
| 12:34.41 | eth01 | sftp same thing |
| 12:34.46 | cast | eth01: no, it's not |
| 12:34.51 | bliss | cast: thankyou I would mention that when I installed etch it was with luks and device mapper |
| 12:35.53 | themill | eth01: the (non-free) SSH Secure Shell provides a drag+drop interface for doing file transfers using sftp. Filezilla can also do sftp. |
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| 12:36.05 | eth01 | same error, it says i can't delete it :/ |
| 12:36.46 | eth01 | "Permission denied"... |
| 12:36.58 | xand | eth01: then you dont have permissions on the server |
| 12:37.07 | cast | bliss: to work out how hda5 is being used you have to look at /etc/fstab/, pvdisplay, vgdisplay and lvdisplay |
| 12:37.39 | themill | SlimG: there should be entries in /var/log/syslog about the jobs being run. |
| 12:37.41 | eth01 | permissions, what kind of permissions? |
| 12:37.43 | mosno | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:37.59 | eth01 | i'm using "eth01" which is root. |
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| 12:38.00 | jlc | mosno: what kind? |
| 12:38.06 | mosno | jlc: Asus |
| 12:38.23 | cast | eth01: i thought root is root, unless you set eth01's uid to 0? |
| 12:38.23 | jlc | I have a new dell 1420 with lenny on it |
| 12:38.53 | mosno | mine's the Asus F3SV |
| 12:38.57 | jlc | etch couldn't use the nic so um, made it hard to do a network instal |
| 12:39.02 | mosno | i'm guessing it'll be sold out very quickly |
| 12:39.15 | mosno | it's got killer specs |
| 12:39.26 | jlc | cool |
| 12:39.40 | diilbertAtWork | I was wondering what the best way to backup a data set that is over all 4.3 GB right now and growing.... but only update the changes after the first backup |
| 12:39.45 | diilbertAtWork | If that made sense |
| 12:39.46 | jlc | I've had problems with ipw3945 +amd64 so I went back to i386 port |
| 12:40.02 | mosno | yea i'd be only using 32-bit |
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| 12:40.05 | bliss | cast: thanks the one I send the url with to you was the vgdisplay -v debian |
| 12:40.13 | eth01 | okay, that worked. |
| 12:40.14 | cast | diilbertAtWork: rdiff-backup, tar -g, with or without using lvm snapshots, lots of options |
| 12:40.15 | mosno | not worth the hassle for 64-bit atm |
| 12:40.26 | cast | mosno: no hassle ;) |
| 12:40.29 | eth01 | is there any specific reason as to why resolv.conf, seems to be lurking in /resolv.conf ? |
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| 12:41.03 | mosno | cast: i wouldn't know actually, i've just previously read some horror stories on non-free apps and 64-bit on Linux |
| 12:41.14 | jlc | diilbertAtWork: I use rsync for my wifes server |
| 12:41.33 | cast | mosno: thats about the just of it. another reason why non-free sucks :) |
| 12:41.37 | themill | diilbertAtWork: rsnapshot it nice |
| 12:41.38 | jlc | cast: i'm going to try about build iwl3945 for amd64 |
| 12:41.49 | mosno | cast: yea, tell me about it |
| 12:42.07 | jlc | flash you can do with nspluginwrapper |
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| 12:42.28 | cast | jlc: one problem, i suppose you are aware of it, is that rsync merely mirrors, so if X.txt became corrupted before the last backup, you can't restore it |
| 12:42.29 | mosno | jlc: isn't there some nasty caveat though, something about the browser |
| 12:42.38 | jlc | I would use amd64 port, however having my wireless connect 10% of the time or less just isn't nice |
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| 12:43.06 | bliss | nickm: hows mixminion doing? |
| 12:43.20 | jlc | mosno: I didn't have any problems in the past on fedora64 |
| 12:43.31 | cast | mmm. being poor and suspecious of the security of wireless [not to mention reliability, speed] i've been avoiding wireless |
| 12:43.43 | abrotman | SlimG: did you check permissions on the device? |
| 12:43.46 | mosno | jlc: you'd *want* fedora64 for yum ;) |
| 12:43.58 | SlimG | themill: Seems to be running fine, guess it must be something fishy about the command I've served it, is it possible to view the output from the command cron executes? |
| 12:44.04 | jlc | sitting on my couch or bed with 100ft net cable just isn't nice either ;) |
| 12:44.18 | abrotman | SlimG: is that your cron task or root's ? |
| 12:44.24 | SlimG | abrotman: mine |
| 12:44.51 | SlimG | abrotman: I'll check permissions on the files I'm executing |
| 12:44.54 | jlc | mosno: fedora isn't bad, there multilib support is nice too, yum is slower than aptitude and they have a lot of security stuff built in that I like. |
| 12:45.03 | themill | SlimG: any output it generates should be emailed to you. |
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| 12:45.10 | gutts | hello |
| 12:45.32 | mosno | jlc: yea its a nice distro, but non-free of debian just kicks too much arse (ie. i hate all the extra repos and out-of-distro hacks you have to do on a fedora box) |
| 12:45.52 | themill | SlimG: have you tried executing that command on the command line to make sure it works? |
| 12:45.54 | jlc | mosno: me too, and updating versions is a bit easier |
| 12:46.00 | gutts | I would'like to know what is the good sources.list to have ieee80211 (intelpro wireless 2200bg) |
| 12:46.04 | mosno | in debian my java and flash are taken care of (though not my w32codecs, but debian-multimedia has them) |
| 12:46.12 | gutts | please |
| 12:46.12 | abrotman | SlimG: does the command work when you run it ? |
| 12:46.19 | jlc | yeppers |
| 12:46.27 | abrotman | !info ieee80211-source etch |
| 12:46.40 | SlimG | themill & abrotman: just did, copied it from the syslog, runs just fine (from my own user) |
| 12:46.42 | mosno | though i fear i may have to take a walk to The Dark Side (Ubuntu) with this new laptop i've bought |
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| 12:46.56 | gutts | !info ieee80211-source etch |
| 12:47.08 | gutts | hmmm |
| 12:47.10 | SlimG | themill & abrotman: any ideas on what could be wrong? |
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| 12:47.12 | hark | in the kernel |
| 12:47.13 | abrotman | !ipw2200 |
| 12:47.13 | dpkg | You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build> |
| 12:47.41 | gutts | abrotman: I use m-a |
| 12:47.52 | abrotman | SlimG: does /tmp/cache get created ? |
| 12:47.59 | abrotman | gutts: uhm ok |
| 12:48.03 | abrotman | you don't hve to |
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| 12:48.19 | gutts | abrotman: that's why I search the right depots |
| 12:48.25 | eth01 | can i delete /etc/pam.d ? |
| 12:48.31 | eth01 | it was used for pure/vs ftpd. |
| 12:49.04 | jlc | eth01: i would go with no |
| 12:49.13 | mosno | jlc: damnit im jealous, you have built-in Intel graphics *and* the NVIDIA one... :) |
| 12:49.20 | jlc | aye |
| 12:49.31 | abrotman | eth01: what the hell are you trying to do? |
| 12:49.34 | eth01 | if only apt-get remove, actually _cleaned_ up the files properly.. |
| 12:49.35 | jlc | no, not built in intel, just nvidia |
| 12:49.50 | SlimG | abrotman: actually: no it doesn't get created..? weird |
| 12:49.54 | mosno | jlc: hrm, i'm looking at http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspnnb_1420?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs |
| 12:49.57 | jlc | intel wireless, but not graphics |
| 12:50.20 | jlc | mosno: either or, but not both |
| 12:50.22 | mosno | jlc: whats your native res |
| 12:50.28 | jlc | 1440x900 |
| 12:50.54 | jlc | nice screen |
| 12:50.54 | mosno | hrm, yea i avoided going that lo |
| 12:50.54 | gutts | jlc: do you success with wireless installation ? |
| 12:50.54 | mosno | low* |
| 12:50.54 | mosno | mine has WSXGA+ (1680x1050) |
| 12:50.57 | mosno | in a 15.4" |
| 12:50.58 | jlc | gutts: you mean installing the drivers after intsall |
| 12:51.01 | abrotman | !enter |
| 12:51.01 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying, and scrolls our windows extraneously. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. We'll be more inclined to help you if you are considerate! |
| 12:51.08 | jlc | mosno: i like bigger, but wanted a smaller screen |
| 12:51.13 | mosno | (as opposed to say macbook pro which has 1680x1050 on a 17"_ |
| 12:51.19 | jlc | I would have like to get the 1330 with 13 in screen :) |
| 12:51.28 | hark | gutts: all you need is the firmware. get it from ipw2200.sf.net |
| 12:51.40 | gutts | jlc: do you compil ieee80211 ? |
| 12:51.43 | jlc | gutts: aptitude install ipw3945-modules-`uname -r` ipw3945d firmware-ipw3945 |
| 12:51.43 | gutts | ok hark |
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| 12:52.02 | jlc | gutts: with non-free/contrib opened up is all you need to do |
| 12:52.04 | abrotman | SlimG: though you are moving it |
| 12:52.08 | mosno | abrotman: sorry! jlc: what inches is your display? |
| 12:52.23 | jlc | mosno: 14.1 |
| 12:52.27 | abrotman | SlimG: what are the perms on /dev/ttyUSB0 or whatever it is |
| 12:52.48 | jlc | i had a 1501 with the 15.4 and 1680x1050 but wanted smaller footprint |
| 12:52.49 | SlimG | abrotman: I removed the last "mv" and only did the ">" |
| 12:52.50 | mosno | i'm paranoid about Vista holding siege my TPM |
| 12:52.53 | themill | gutts, jlc: aren't you looking for ipw2200 not ipw3945? |
| 12:52.54 | mosno | can it do that? |
| 12:52.54 | jlc | the 1330 would have been cool |
| 12:53.04 | gutts | themill: ipw2200 |
| 12:53.05 | mosno | should i disable TPM in the bios before first user boot? |
| 12:53.20 | gutts | themill: I've add contrib non free |
| 12:53.26 | themill | gutts: then ignore the aptitude command from jlc :) |
| 12:53.26 | jlc | themill: he asked if I got it working, I use ipw3945 so I would have no reason to install ipw2200 :) |
| 12:53.29 | gutts | but it doesn't work |
| 12:53.31 | mosno | !tpm |
| 12:53.35 | gutts | themill: ok |
| 12:53.40 | gutts | themill: an idea ? |
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| 12:54.10 | SlimG | abrotman: permissions should be ok since I'm able to run the cmd as a regular user, I guess the problem might be related to the ">" |
| 12:54.16 | semprix | !maintainer |
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| 12:54.40 | semprix | !tell maintainer |
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| 12:54.52 | themill | gutts: have you installed the ipw2200-modules-`uname-r` package? |
| 12:55.04 | gutts | themill: I check |
| 12:55.49 | hark | the drivers are already in the etch kernel, you don't need to install them (though they are a newer version) |
| 12:56.04 | gutts | themill: impossible to find the package |
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| 12:56.18 | hark | !tell gutts about ipw2200 |
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| 12:56.22 | themill | hark: ahh yes... forgot that bit. I don't have that hardware any more.... |
| 12:56.24 | jlc | gutts: do you have non-free open |
| 12:56.37 | abrotman | SlimG: not likely .. the perms are 666 ? |
| 12:56.49 | gutts | jlc: main contrib non-free or just non-free |
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| 12:56.55 | jlc | gutts: http://pastebin.ca/644262 |
| 12:57.02 | themill | gutts: you'll need to do an aptitude update after changing your sources.list |
| 12:57.16 | gutts | themill: yes allready done |
| 12:57.28 | semprix | are debian maintainers are considered the developers? |
| 12:57.33 | jlc | main contrib non-free |
| 12:57.39 | jlc | that is what I use |
| 12:57.50 | SlimG | abrotman: crw-rw---- |
| 12:57.58 | gutts | jlc: can you paste your source.list please |
| 12:58.04 | jlc | sure |
| 12:58.05 | abrotman | SlimG: chagne it to 666 and see if your cron job works |
| 12:58.17 | themill | SlimG: is it in the dialout group? are you? |
| 12:58.28 | jlc | gutts: i use pinning too |
| 12:58.33 | jlc | http://pastebin.ca/644263 |
| 12:58.39 | jlc | gutts: and lenny |
| 12:58.46 | gutts | ok thanks |
| 12:58.57 | semprix | abrotman, are debian maintainers are considered the developers? |
| 12:58.57 | jlc | yw |
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| 12:59.11 | jlc | so if I want to reap from unstable/experimental I can |
| 12:59.15 | jlc | but be careful :) |
| 12:59.20 | abrotman | semprix: you mean DDs ? |
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| 12:59.43 | hark | semprix: no, they aren't |
| 12:59.48 | abrotman | hark: they can be |
| 13:00.03 | abrotman | i just wanted to make sure he didn't mean DMs which is the current vote |
| 13:00.06 | hark | can be, but they're not all developers |
| 13:00.10 | semprix | abrotman, yeah are they considered developers? i just want to be a package maintainer. |
| 13:00.24 | hark | yes :) |
| 13:00.47 | SlimG | abrotman: It still just creates an empty output file |
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| 13:01.13 | mgn | How safe is it to upgrade to Debian Lenny from Debian etch?? |
| 13:01.14 | abrotman | semprix: you should understand some code i suppose .. |
| 13:01.15 | abrotman | !nm |
| 13:01.15 | dpkg | it has been said that nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 13:01.37 | abrotman | mgn: depends how critical the machine is |
| 13:01.42 | jlc | gutts: I also use debian-multimedia, forgot to put that but eh |
| 13:01.59 | mgn | abrotman: Well, i'm running etch on my laptop, which I use at school. |
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| 13:02.03 | semprix | abrotman, what do you mean codes? you mean programming codes? yeah i better read of the New Maintainers handbook |
| 13:02.03 | corpulunt | Hello folks |
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| 13:02.05 | gutts | so |
| 13:02.10 | corpulunt | is it possible to turn on hardware detection on boot time? |
| 13:02.10 | gutts | apt-get update |
| 13:02.14 | gutts | and I test |
| 13:02.20 | mgn | So it is not for a server... |
| 13:02.22 | abrotman | mgn: so if it breaks tomorrow .. will you be mad ? |
| 13:02.30 | jlc | gutts: are you on etch or lenny by the way? |
| 13:02.33 | themill | SlimG: what error messages would your program generate if it couldn't open the device? or if there was no data? |
| 13:02.37 | jlc | cause I don't have etch in my sources |
| 13:02.39 | jlc | ;) |
| 13:02.41 | corpulunt | Help :) |
| 13:02.44 | jlc | don't hose your system |
| 13:02.46 | gutts | jlc etch |
| 13:02.50 | jlc | doh |
| 13:02.53 | jlc | hold on then |
| 13:03.00 | abrotman | jlc: lay off the enter key |
| 13:03.03 | corpulunt | is hardware auto detection on boot time an option? |
| 13:03.09 | abrotman | corpulunt: it is on |
| 13:03.15 | jlc | abrotman: what? |
| 13:03.24 | corpulunt | abrotman: I dont think it is |
| 13:03.31 | corpulunt | jlc: how do i turn on hardware auto detection? |
| 13:03.31 | mgn | abrotman: yeah :D |
| 13:03.32 | abrotman | corpulunt: yes it is |
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| 13:03.52 | corpulunt | I have had to re-configure X with dpkg-reconfigure after I switched computers (same hard drive) |
| 13:03.55 | abrotman | corpulunt: unless you've somehow managed to uninstall discover and udev .. it's there |
| 13:03.58 | corpulunt | I would like X to be auto configured on boot |
| 13:03.59 | Ramattack | thanks a lot mates bye!! ;) |
| 13:04.03 | abrotman | corpulunt: that's different |
| 13:04.16 | SlimG | themill: vproweather: Problem opening serial device, check device name.: No such file or directory |
| 13:04.21 | corpulunt | udevd is running. |
| 13:04.23 | abrotman | SlimG: see! |
| 13:04.26 | jlc | gutts: are you using my sources.list and preferences? |
| 13:04.28 | corpulunt | discover is it a process/daemon? |
| 13:04.43 | gutts | jlc: is there a problem ? |
| 13:04.45 | corpulunt | discover is not installed. |
| 13:04.51 | mgn | abrotman: No not mad...but it would be troublesome suddenly to reinstall |
| 13:04.53 | abrotman | corpulunt: it doesn't matter .. it won't change your problem |
| 13:04.53 | corpulunt | oh it is |
| 13:05.06 | abrotman | mgn: you wouldn't have to reinstall ... you'd have to learn how to fix it ;) |
| 13:05.13 | themill | SlimG: ok... this is progress. Perhaps try changing that redirection to "2>&1 > /tmp/cache" so that error messages end up in there as well for the time being. |
| 13:05.23 | jlc | gutts: well it doesn't have etch so you will need to add that back to yours and add one to preferences with a priority of 800 or so |
| 13:05.40 | jlc | otherwise you will upgrade to lenny |
| 13:05.41 | SlimG | abrotman: ? I just ran the app with wrong device name to give themill an example of an error |
| 13:05.47 | corpulunt | discover is not running |
| 13:06.00 | gutts | jlc: so in fact what is the method ? |
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| 13:06.12 | gutts | just installing firmware ? |
| 13:06.14 | abrotman | SlimG: oh .. damn |
| 13:06.19 | abrotman | corpulunt: it doesn't run .. it runs at boot |
| 13:06.20 | mgn | abrotman: I see your point. But how "stable" is lenny (or sid) compared to e.g. Ubuntu? |
| 13:06.32 | corpulunt | ok good |
| 13:06.34 | corpulunt | I understand. |
| 13:06.39 | themill | SlimG: does your app rely on any envirnoment variables? |
| 13:06.42 | abrotman | mgn: i use lenny on my laptop .. i currently only have one issue .. though not a small one |
| 13:06.53 | corpulunt | another question |
| 13:07.03 | abrotman | SlimG: if you don't redirect anything .. will it send you the output ? |
| 13:07.10 | jlc | gutts: should look something like this http://pastebin.ca/644271 |
| 13:07.14 | corpulunt | when I log out X or switch from a console to X through alt F7 the screen blue-blinks and i have to restart X |
| 13:07.18 | abrotman | mgn: currently if i close my lid .. X doesn't return from suspend |
| 13:07.20 | corpulunt | what could be wrong with it? |
| 13:07.23 | SlimG | themill: Dunno |
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| 13:07.47 | gutts | jlc: to late :p |
| 13:07.48 | SlimG | abrotman: I'll try when I've tried themill s redirection |
| 13:07.48 | mgn | abrotman: Ok, but why use suspend at all? |
| 13:07.50 | jlc | I don't use stable so I am assuming the pinning and line will be correct, you might want to make sure and apt-get upgrade doesn't pull in several hundred updates :) |
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| 13:08.02 | corpulunt | that or I have to restart Debian |
| 13:08.11 | abrotman | mgn: i didn't turn it on .. it just started happening and i haven't had time to unbreak it yet |
| 13:08.16 | themill | SlimG: if you don't have anything special set then probably not. But cron jobs run with a very reduced environment |
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| 13:08.59 | SlimG | themill: you might be onto something, btw: both 1 and 2 redirection didn't give anything more |
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| 13:09.27 | mgn | abrotman: But can't you just turn suspend off in kcontrol (or gnome system)? |
| 13:09.32 | SlimG | themill: Is there a quick way to isolate the app from all environmental variables and test it? |
| 13:09.39 | abrotman | mgn: like i said .. haven't really looked into it |
| 13:09.40 | jlc | gutts: made a mistake I had two 700s in pinning it would look like this with 750 for stable: http://pastebin.ca/644275 |
| 13:10.08 | corpulunt | folks? |
| 13:10.11 | gutts | jlc: I'm upgrading my system to lenny |
| 13:10.11 | corpulunt | could someone help me? |
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| 13:10.34 | jlc | gutts: good luck then :) |
| 13:11.15 | mgn | abrotman: OK. But the reason I asked about upgrading is that I know a lot of people who is running debian for desktop use is running either lenny or sid. |
| 13:11.16 | gutts | jlc: thanks but if it doesn't work, i would'like to know what doing to install my wireless card |
| 13:11.30 | gutts | jlc: can you paste me a method please |
| 13:11.30 | corpulunt | dexconf detects the wrong monitor |
| 13:11.31 | SlimG | abrotman: no redirection didn't work wither |
| 13:11.38 | abrotman | mgn: yep .. it's really a personal choice .. would you rather ahve a very stable system .. or newer packages ? |
| 13:12.27 | jlc | gutts: aptitude install ipw2200-modules-`uname -r` should cover it |
| 13:12.37 | gutts | jlc: just that ? |
| 13:12.45 | gutts | no ieee802 ? |
| 13:12.48 | jlc | with contrib/non-free there |
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| 13:13.06 | SlimG | themill & abrotman: I'm up for creating a small script (loop + sleep) instead that's beeing run prelogin, where should I put the script to make that happen? |
| 13:13.08 | jlc | gutts: if ieee802 is needed, I assume apt will pull it in |
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| 13:13.26 | gutts | jlc: ok I reboot |
| 13:13.36 | mgn | abrotman: Guess I'll stay with etch. Almost everything works, and I like my system to be as stable as possible :) |
| 13:13.40 | jlc | gutts: have you already started updating? |
| 13:14.10 | blaamann | There is no vlc (videolan) in testing/lenny? |
| 13:14.22 | abrotman | mgn: you can also use etch for awhile and then switch to lenny when release is coming |
| 13:14.25 | kervan_ | I see some errors while compiling kernel can you help me please? This is my paste:http://rafb.net/p/Yx6V0G27.html |
| 13:14.25 | gutts | jlc: yes |
| 13:14.26 | abrotman | blaamann: no |
| 13:14.27 | hark | blaamann: yes |
| 13:14.32 | abrotman | !why is vls not in testing |
| 13:14.32 | dpkg | vls is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vls |
| 13:14.34 | jlc | gutts: well don' |
| 13:14.35 | abrotman | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 13:14.35 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 13:14.56 | jlc | that is just bad, started upgrading to lenny and now just going to reboot.. good luck with that |
| 13:15.07 | jamesbrink_ | lol |
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| 13:15.20 | corpulunt | ok dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg fixed X |
| 13:15.25 | jlc | :) |
| 13:15.27 | blaamann | abrotman: ty |
| 13:15.28 | corpulunt | is it possible to auto-configure X on boot? |
| 13:15.30 | mgn | abrotman: Yeah I know. But "a while" isn't that several years?? Isn't the period from testing going to stable years?? |
| 13:15.35 | corpulunt | like to run dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg before X starts? |
| 13:15.55 | hark | corpulunt: you only need to do it once.. |
| 13:16.18 | corpulunt | hark: We are making a ghost image to distribute debian on 40PCs. |
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| 13:16.47 | corpulunt | now even when X is configured properly when I switch from a console to X it crashes |
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| 13:16.52 | corpulunt | a blue screen blinks constantly |
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| 13:16.59 | HSorgYves | good morning |
| 13:17.00 | HSorgYves | is there a way to get the hicolor directory from shell? or is it always at /usr/share/icons/hicolor/? |
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| 13:19.38 | jamesbrink_ | anyone else have alot of problems with spamd in etch? |
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| 13:19.44 | gutts | re |
| 13:19.53 | gutts | jlc: hi |
| 13:20.14 | gutts | jlc: update sucess but no wireless card |
| 13:20.16 | hark | corpulunt: what card and driver btw? |
| 13:20.19 | jlc | gutts: hey, were you in the middle of a etch > lenny upgrade with you rebooted? |
| 13:20.36 | vyrus001 | why do i get GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is not available with direct rendering. |
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| 13:20.42 | gutts | jlc: lenny |
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| 13:20.59 | jlc | you already finished to lenny before rebooting |
| 13:21.04 | hark | vyrus001: are you using fglrx? |
| 13:21.05 | gutts | yes |
| 13:21.12 | vyrus001 | hark yea |
| 13:21.12 | jlc | ok, you scared me |
| 13:21.39 | hark | vyrus001: they don't support it, unfortunately |
| 13:22.00 | vyrus001 | hark so no compiz on fglrx huh... damn <_< |
| 13:22.01 | hark | gutts: is it so hard to follow the factoid? |
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| 13:22.43 | gutts | hark: I'm not english so yes |
| 13:23.11 | hark | vyrus001: with the latest drivers, i think beryl somewhat works with a copy method hack (no texture from pixmap) |
| 13:23.13 | Ice_Wewe_Lap | I'm running knopmyth on a Compaq P3. Whenever I halt the machine, it doesn't actually shut off, and I'm left hanging with "System Halted". I know the BIOS fails the ACPI cutoff date of 2002, and I've tried "acpi=force" in /etc/lilo.conf, but that didn't do anything |
| 13:23.31 | Ice_Wewe_Lap | I've tried halt, init 0, shutdown -H, shutdown -P |
| 13:23.33 | jlc | gutts: looks like the firmware doesn't get installed, I'm guessing since I don't have it |
| 13:23.44 | hark | !ipw2200 |
| 13:23.45 | dpkg | You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build> |
| 13:23.54 | Ice_Wewe_Lap | how do I get this thing to powerdown after a halt? |
| 13:23.55 | jlc | gutts: look in /lib/firmware and tell me if you see any ipw2200 stuf |
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| 13:24.13 | gutts | jlc: no there isn't |
| 13:24.34 | jlc | like hark just posted, there is a place to grab it and do it |
| 13:24.35 | gutts | jlc: but I've dl it on sourceforge... |
| 13:24.38 | jlc | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Ipw2200#Installation_on_Debian_Etch |
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| 13:25.57 | vyrus001 | hark so ... try beryl and not compiz? |
| 13:26.51 | hark | vyrus001: no, i'm not even sure if it works well enough.. what graphics card do you have? |
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| 13:28.00 | vyrus001 | hark its a laptop... ati m200 |
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| 13:28.38 | vyrus001 | hark or express 200 rather |
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| 13:29.04 | embrik | how do I list all partitions on my computer? |
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| 13:29.23 | hark | vyrus001: ah, that's 2d only support according to man radeon |
| 13:29.25 | jlc | !debian-multimedia |
| 13:29.25 | dpkg | from memory, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 13:29.40 | gutts | jlc: ok my wireless card is recognized |
| 13:29.53 | jlc | gutts: congrats |
| 13:29.54 | HSorgYves | is there a way to get the hicolor directory from shell? or is it always at /usr/share/icons/hicolor/? |
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| 13:29.56 | gutts | but I need ieee80211-source |
| 13:29.58 | riot | hi |
| 13:30.08 | gutts | and it isn't my depots |
| 13:30.21 | hark | vyrus001: you'll need xgl if you want compiz, but that isn't in debian |
| 13:30.44 | hark | gutts: it's already in the kernel |
| 13:30.51 | vyrus001 | hark well i have 3d support working alredy |
| 13:30.55 | gutts | hark: ieee ? |
| 13:31.04 | hark | gutts: yes |
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| 13:31.26 | hark | vyrus001: i meant with the free drivers |
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| 13:32.04 | gutts | hark: but iwconfig send me nothing |
| 13:32.05 | jhambo | is there a place I can temporarily paste a small file (<10M)? |
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| 13:32.19 | hark | gutts: modprobe ipw2200 |
| 13:32.24 | vyrus001 | hark hm, so instead of running fglrx i should use xgl drivers? or are u telling me i cant because i HAVE to use fglrx drivers for 3d and i would have to NOT use them for xgl? |
| 13:32.37 | vyrus001 | i thought xgl was simply a display tech lib.. not a driver |
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| 13:33.33 | hark | vyrus001: no, now you're confused .. |
| 13:33.37 | dakkar | Hi all! At work, we are musing about revamping our build system. Since we are deploying on debian (3.0, don't ask why...) I thought about building deb packages for the various components, and letting apt handle the dependencies. |
| 13:33.41 | dakkar | Two questions: |
| 13:33.51 | vyrus001 | heh ok |
| 13:34.18 | dakkar | - can packages be "relocated"? that is, can I install a package under /my/dir/ on a machine, and under /your/dir/ on another one? |
| 13:34.53 | hark | vyrus001: moment |
| 13:35.00 | cottima | hello, is there a skolelinux or debian-edu channel? |
| 13:35.24 | riot | hmm. I cannot make anything using linux-source-2.6.22 :( missing files or something. http://nopaste.org/p/aovyTXpTh << console-log |
| 13:35.30 | vyrus001 | hark k |
| 13:35.37 | dakkar | - can I make the binaries in a package, then pack it up, instead of rebuilding it completely from scratch? (since our developers would need to rebuild packages quite often during development and testing) |
| 13:36.41 | blaamann | cottima: http://www.skolelinux.no/~klaus/newnotater/x75.html |
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| 13:40.20 | riot | could this be due to not yet upgraded gcc or make or something else? Because, there's no bug filed.. :( |
| 13:40.31 | riot | (and i'm currently upgrading) |
| 13:40.58 | xand | cast: o.O |
| 13:41.10 | abrotman | mgn: it won't be several years |
| 13:41.19 | cottima | thank you blaamann |
| 13:41.34 | eth01 | does this load for anybody - http://unspecific.net ?? |
| 13:42.30 | SlimG | themill & abrotman: Thank you guys for all your cron help, I've really learn the basics of cron now :) |
| 13:42.54 | themill | SlimG: :) does that mean you've got it working? |
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| 13:43.04 | stoeps | @eth01: Site works, shows a directory listing with phpmyadmin |
| 13:43.06 | Platyna | Hi. Is there Cdric Delfosse? |
| 13:43.10 | Platyna | I need him. |
| 13:43.11 | Platyna | :> |
| 13:43.23 | SlimG | themill: nope, but I _will_ :) |
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| 13:44.00 | themill | SlimG: btw it's actually |
| 13:44.07 | Platyna | I have problem with SCAVR. |
| 13:44.15 | Platyna | http://phpfi.com/254157 |
| 13:44.21 | Platyna | It is from Debian package. |
| 13:44.27 | Platyna | And it gives an error. |
| 13:44.31 | Platyna | Described above. |
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| 13:44.40 | themill | SlimG: bah... it's sometimes easier to put the entire thing into a script so there's only one line in the cron job and the details in the script. |
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| 13:45.10 | cottima | is there a way to use etherboot to install debian from a machine with the dvd image? |
| 13:45.20 | cottima | or a floppy? |
| 13:45.23 | SlimG | themill: thanks for the tip, I didn't come to think of that uintil you mentioned it |
| 13:45.30 | corpulunt | Hello |
| 13:45.35 | corpulunt | when i switch from console to X through ALT+F7 a blue screen appears and it blinks constantly |
| 13:45.38 | corpulunt | I have to restart my X in order to get it fixed, and often have to restart it several times or even reboot the box |
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| 13:48.01 | Danielss89 | Hi, can i delete all files in a directory except folders and subfolders? |
| 13:48.42 | Danielss89 | . |
| 13:49.12 | Platyna | Yes, you can. ;> |
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| 13:49.27 | Danielss89 | Platyna :P whats the command :P |
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| 13:50.12 | solemnwarning | Can squid be configured to redirect all requests to another URL? |
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| 13:50.25 | kenji | who is the best? apache2.0.x or apache 2.2.x? |
| 13:50.33 | gbw | hello, i have a question about tls certificates. how can i make a certificate chain which has following structure: A -> B -> C, whereas A is a CA which signs B and B sign C. I can make A -> B, but i dont know how to make B -> C |
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| 13:51.27 | yangvnc | I have a PPPd problem on my PDA , it connects to the phone and disconnects after 60 seconds, and it never completes - http://paste.debian.net/33957 |
| 13:51.30 | yangvnc | i figured out that rfcomm works, but the ppp script doesnt |
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| 13:51.54 | Danielss89 | Damn internet |
| 13:51.58 | Danielss89 | what was the command? |
| 13:52.14 | gbw | is it then possible to create a CA which is signed by another CA? |
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| 13:53.11 | kenji | guys I have a new cron file, how can I remove the other and setup the newer? |
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| 13:53.17 | Danielss89 | How can i delete all files from a folder, except folders and subfolders |
| 13:53.40 | gbw | Danielss89, rm * should work |
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| 13:54.01 | Danielss89 | gbw , doesnt that remove folders too? |
| 13:54.03 | gutts | hi |
| 13:54.18 | gutts | jlc: i've got an other problem |
| 13:54.22 | gbw | Danielss89, it wont, it will complain that the folders cant be deleted |
| 13:54.27 | Danielss89 | ok |
| 13:54.37 | gutts | i'm in unassociated |
| 13:54.53 | SomeoneSpecial | Danielss89: You'd have to use -f to force it |
| 13:55.10 | gutts | i haven't got ieee80211 |
| 13:55.18 | SomeoneSpecial | thats not a good sign |
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| 13:55.41 | gbw | isnt there any openssl channel out there? |
| 13:55.42 | gbw | strange |
| 13:55.53 | unlink | abrotman: oh |
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| 13:56.30 | themill | gutts what kernel are you using? |
| 13:56.33 | corpulunt | Hello? |
| 13:56.43 | corpulunt | could someone help me? |
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| 13:57.09 | Danielss89 | hmm theres still files in the subfolders.. |
| 13:57.14 | gutts | themill: 2.6.22-1-686 |
| 13:57.16 | Danielss89 | those werent deleted |
| 13:57.33 | themill | gutts: ieee80211 should be in the kernel already |
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| 13:59.09 | themill | gutts: modinfo ieee80211 |
| 13:59.42 | Danielss89 | . |
| 13:59.54 | Danielss89 | i want to delete alle the files in the subfolders too |
| 13:59.55 | mgn | gutts: Wireless problem? |
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| 14:00.09 | gutts | mgn: yes |
| 14:00.19 | mgn | gutts: ipw2200?? |
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| 14:00.30 | gutts | mgn: ieee80211 |
| 14:01.16 | gutts | themill: http://pastebin.ca/644319 |
| 14:01.18 | mgn | As themill says..its already in the kernel |
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| 14:03.44 | themill | gutts: that says that your kernel already knows about it. Can you tell us what you have done, what you're up to, what you are trying to do and what specific error messages you are getting now? |
| 14:04.25 | gutts | themill: iwconfig eth2 essid myssid |
| 14:04.42 | gutts | next iwconfig |
| 14:05.00 | gutts | and i have unassociated |
| 14:05.25 | gutts | i must have ieee80211 |
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| 14:05.45 | gutts | and i can't use wep |
| 14:05.51 | gutts | only wpa |
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| 14:06.49 | mgn | gutts: Have you copied the firmware to /lib/firmware and added the module ?? |
| 14:06.54 | arturaz | anyone experiencing segfaults with ruby 1.8.5 from etch? I've tested ram and hdd, they seem ok, but ruby (seems nothing else) just randomly segfaults... |
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| 14:07.15 | gutts | mgn: how do i add the module ? |
| 14:07.35 | mgn | gutts: with modprobe |
| 14:07.52 | gutts | modprobe ipw2200? |
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| 14:08.27 | mgn | gutts: But do you have a ipw2200 network? |
| 14:08.36 | themill | mgn: ? |
| 14:08.42 | gutts | mgn: yes |
| 14:08.53 | gutts | intel pro wireless |
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| 14:09.25 | mgn | gutts: Then type as root: modprobe -r ipw2200 and after that: modprobe ipw2200 |
| 14:09.28 | SORMANOV | am facing a problem with lilo |
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| 14:09.40 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
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| 14:10.09 | SORMANOV | i do liloconfig and get this error at end: activate failed! Your system may not be bootable. |
| 14:10.59 | gutts | mgn: nothing |
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| 14:11.40 | mgn | gutts: Could you paste the output of dmesg | grep ipw2200?? |
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| 14:11.59 | SORMANOV | !lilo |
| 14:11.59 | dpkg | somebody said lilo was the LInux LOader, and the head of staff of irc.freenode.net (who isn't named after the LInux LOader) |
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| 14:12.36 | `mx | isnt lilo a fuzzy little cartoon charator? |
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| 14:12.53 | kado1 | i need a liltle help... i need donwnload the debian 3.1. anyone know where? |
| 14:12.59 | viller | doesn't debian have gksu and gksudo? |
| 14:13.12 | gutts | mgn: http://pastebin.ca/644330 |
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| 14:14.05 | mgn | gutts: Hmm looks ok |
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| 14:14.36 | viller | doesn't debian have gksu and gksudo? |
| 14:14.52 | hark | it does |
| 14:15.00 | viller | apt-get install? |
| 14:15.30 | hark | TIAS |
| 14:15.38 | viller | apt-get only found gksu but not gksudo |
| 14:15.51 | viller | TIAS? |
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| 14:17.19 | alvin_lee | Hi. Anybody here know where cat i to get debian sarge image CD? I need this old version... |
| 14:17.21 | themill | !tell viller about search |
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| 14:17.31 | themill | viller: they're in the same package |
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| 14:19.11 | themill | !tell alvin_lee about sarge |
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| 14:21.24 | alvin_lee | thanks very much themill ! |
| 14:21.27 | ieugen_mutulica | does anyone know how to repair a broken X server? I installed artwiz-cursor.. |
| 14:21.27 | hark | install gksu, gksudo is just a symlink to gksu anyway |
| 14:21.50 | kado1 | thanks |
| 14:21.56 | hark | ieugen_mutulica: check the bts |
| 14:22.04 | mosno | "Wait for Hurd if you want something real." --Linus |
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| 14:22.40 | themill | yeah... read that today too... I do like. |
| 14:23.25 | HSorgYves | how to check how a file is encoded? |
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| 14:23.50 | mosno | themill: the comments in http://kerneltrap.org/node/14037 are interesting too, in addition to the /. stuff |
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| 14:25.08 | themill | mosno: yeah, it was on kerneltrap that I was reading it. I tend not to have enough spare hours in my life to cope with the S/N on /. |
| 14:25.35 | mosno | themill: S/N ? |
| 14:25.52 | ieugen_mutulica | and if i tried to repair it myself and now i get fatal error could not find ”fixed” font? |
| 14:26.06 | themill | mosno: signal/noise |
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| 14:26.15 | mosno | aah |
| 14:26.22 | bill_ | or lack thereof |
| 14:26.49 | themill | mosno: it tends to be about 0.01 on /. ... seeing as how I design scientific instruments for a living, I tend to like numbers >> 1. |
| 14:26.55 | hark | ieugen_mutulica: as i said, check the bts. |
| 14:27.07 | mosno | yea but we love slashdot |
| 14:27.21 | hark | ieugen_mutulica: the fix is explained there |
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| 14:28.53 | hark | viller: sorry got disconnected. did you find it? |
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| 14:29.40 | viller | hark: yes I did thanks |
| 14:29.51 | viller | hark where are you from? |
| 14:29.56 | ieugen_mutulica | 10x a lot |
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| 14:31.04 | riot | i cannot compile linux-source-2.6.22.deb. Make throws a bunch of error messages. |
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| 14:33.01 | abcdefg_2621 | http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?uid=2621 ahahahahaha this page is sooo funny |
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| 14:36.16 | mhall | Can anybody think of what to try for the following boot error? |
| 14:36.18 | mhall | http://rafb.net/p/LPKgBY52.html |
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| 14:39.10 | bill_ | do you have an NVIDIA nForce SATA controller? |
| 14:39.25 | Knight_Lord | If I stop an NFS server umount the partition it's exporting, mount it somewhere else and make a symlink from the original path to that somewhere else and then restart the NFS server, will the hard mounted clients able to continue running fine without programs crashing? |
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| 14:40.08 | mhall | bill_: yes |
| 14:40.11 | RockKeeper | hi there,is there any alternative ide for c#-develop. on debian exepts monodevelop ? |
| 14:40.24 | mhall | bill_: and somehow, one of my controllers quit booting from anything > 2.6.20 |
| 14:40.42 | mhall | bill_: i have no fucking clue why, there's no new bios update, nobody says anything about it |
| 14:40.46 | themill | RockKeeper: kdevelop has or will have C# capabilities. Not sure about the current version though. |
| 14:40.51 | mhall | bill_: i couldn't even google that error message string |
| 14:41.01 | mhall | bill_: totally odd problem |
| 14:41.19 | mhall | bill_: i am thinking maybe idiotic PCI conflict |
| 14:41.40 | themill | Knight_Lord: please don't ask the same question on both #debian channels. |
| 14:41.41 | mhall | bill_: without it, my raid 5 array doesn't work because the second four drives won't load |
| 14:41.42 | xand | Knight_Lord: maybe. |
| 14:41.42 | RockKeeper | themill: i know,at wikipedia c# is lited under supported languages, but i can't find it ?! |
| 14:41.51 | xand | themill: there's another #debian? |
| 14:42.02 | Knight_Lord | themill different servers |
| 14:42.06 | phogg | mhall: do a diff of the driver for your controller from .19 and .20 |
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| 14:42.17 | mhall | phogg: 2.6.20 works, i mean > 2.6.20 |
| 14:42.18 | xand | (or do you mean the fake on oftc :)) |
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| 14:42.25 | themill | Knight_Lord: yes, and a lot of people are on both of them. |
| 14:42.26 | phogg | mhall: .20 and .21, then |
| 14:42.34 | mhall | phogg: it seems like somebody added some features for .21 from what i googled |
| 14:42.45 | mhall | phogg: i'll diff and see what i get |
| 14:42.57 | Knight_Lord | xand why do you say maybe? |
| 14:42.58 | mhall | phogg: is there a nice way to grab single source files without downloading both trees? |
| 14:43.09 | phogg | mhall: if you can isolate the problem a little it's worth reporting. Probably affects a large number of users who are helpless. |
| 14:43.13 | themill | xand: yes. |
| 14:43.13 | xand | Knight_Lord: because it may or may not be ok. |
| 14:43.35 | Knight_Lord | xand That's not much of an answer :) |
| 14:43.54 | Knight_Lord | xand i already know it can work or not, but what does it depend on |
| 14:44.14 | abrotman | tarzeau: why haven't you adopted the orphaned gnustep apps ? |
| 14:44.19 | xand | themill: this is the original and imo better channel... does that other one have much traffic? |
| 14:44.29 | abrotman | maybe they aren't gnustep |
| 14:44.32 | Knight_Lord | xand from my understanding the nfs depends on the files inodes so as long as i just mount it in a different place it should be ok. I don't even need the simlink |
| 14:44.47 | mhall | phogg: unlikely, this is an extremely expensive machine. |
| 14:44.50 | xand | Knight_Lord: test it with another export |
| 14:45.11 | mhall | phogg: thank goodness for sdn, i'm gonna go try an old kernel |
| 14:45.17 | mhall | phogg: then i can work on the diffing |
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| 14:45.30 | Knight_Lord | xand i would need to create a new parition which is not so easy |
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| 14:46.12 | xand | Knight_Lord: usb stick? :) |
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| 14:50.00 | themill | xand: I know that. The traffic is actually about the same. And as I said, the people who do most of the helping are often the same. |
| 14:50.07 | xand | I see |
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| 14:52.48 | silvertip257 | I'm creating a small remote terminal and I'm using DSL (b/c of specs) and would like to get FREENX. It seems DSL is loosely based on Woody ... ideas where I can get the *.debs for it ? Thanks. |
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| 14:53.33 | jelly | silvertip257: did freenx even exist 4 years ago? |
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| 14:53.52 | silvertip257 | yes there is something on www.nomachine.com about Woody version |
| 14:54.07 | silvertip257 | but it isn't much use to me - can't apt-get it b/c they don't have a repo set up |
| 14:54.30 | jelly | silvertip257: you can download it and install using dpkg. |
| 14:54.54 | silvertip257 | jelly: I tried, but it was really wacky - and then I couldn't find where it was installed w/ whereis |
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| 14:55.28 | jelly | !tell silvertip257 -about search |
| 14:55.48 | jelly | silvertip257: use dpkg to see contents of the installed package. |
| 14:56.02 | silvertip257 | oh? |
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| 14:57.24 | silvertip257 | jelly: on a tutorial I found "dpkg -i <deb_name> |
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| 14:58.51 | silvertip257 | jelly: how do I install it w/ dpkg (yes I'm new to using dpkg, but not apt-get) |
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| 14:59.46 | silvertip257 | jelly> you there, please give me a clue |
| 15:00.22 | jelly | silvertip257: apart from reading the manual? Your tutorial is right. |
| 15:00.44 | silvertip257 | well jelly, It doesn't really install it or something -- maybe I'm wrong |
| 15:00.57 | silvertip257 | b/c I can't find it w/ "whereis nxclient" or freenx |
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| 15:01.52 | silvertip257 | jelly: here's where I'm getting my debs for it> http://www.nomachine.com/download-package.php?Prod_Id=36 |
| 15:02.10 | jelly | silvertip257: are you trying to install it, or trying to find the binary? Those are different issues. |
| 15:02.21 | Jean11 | Is iceweasel crashing other people's system as well. I thought it was my nvidia cards but I think it is iceweasel. Yesterday someone Arme[N] was having a problem with it as well. Symptons it locks X or reboot the whole machine |
| 15:02.50 | silvertip257 | install it & then I'll create a dsl pkg for it (that doesnt matter much once I get it installed w/ apt or dpkg) |
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| 15:03.36 | jelly | silvertip257: did the dpkg -i ... line work? |
| 15:04.00 | silvertip257 | lemme get a pastebin thinger |
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| 15:08.53 | ruckerz | if i use dpkg --set-selections, say to set some packages to install, how can i actually install them? |
| 15:10.14 | silvertip257 | jelly: http://sial.org/pbot/26631 |
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| 15:10.59 | jelly | silvertip257: that's normal. So, now use dpkg to list files installed to your system from that package. |
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| 15:12.03 | silvertip257 | I'll read the "tell" msg you sent |
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| 15:12.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: which ones? |
| 15:13.17 | silvertip257 | jelly: how do I do that? what cmd / params after dpkg??? |
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| 15:13.50 | jelly | silvertip257: it's in the man page. |
| 15:14.01 | silvertip257 | ok.. |
| 15:14.06 | aFlag | hello, so I want to install a newer version of a ghc library on my system, I want to make a package myself. What should I read? |
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| 15:15.20 | stew | aFlag: /msg dpkg mg |
| 15:15.32 | jelly | silvertip257: http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 15:15.45 | silvertip257 | thank you |
| 15:15.55 | jelly | !search |
| 15:15.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see ... |
| 15:16.36 | Jean11 | Is iceweasel crashing other people's system as well. I thought it was my nvidia cards but I think it is iceweasel. Yesterday someone Arme[N] was having a problem with it as well. Symptons it locks X or reboot the whole machine |
| 15:16.44 | aFlag | yeah, I started reading that but it seemed somewhat C-package related, I guess I'll just continue on reading then |
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| 15:18.00 | silvertip257 | jelly: I'm a complete idiot - I don't know what else to use besides "whereis" and that doesn't find anything |
| 15:18.19 | aFlag | Jean11, iceweasel crashes sometimes, that's common I guess. It never crashed my whole system, though. It did start to consume too much memory, either because of a flash or something like that, but I was able to close it before things got messy |
| 15:18.21 | jelly | silvertip257: dude, read that wiki page. |
| 15:18.26 | silvertip257 | I am and did |
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| 15:18.41 | silvertip257 | I also tried dpkg -S |
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| 15:18.53 | jelly | silvertip257: did you read the "I installed the 'zort' package, now how do I know what files it gave me?" section? |
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| 15:19.03 | silvertip257 | k |
| 15:20.30 | Jean11 | aFlag: I think there is a serious bug. i took it out of my system and now using epiphany. Usually by now it would have crashed but alll seems fine. I am keeping my fingers crossed |
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| 15:21.10 | silvertip257 | my apologies, jelly ... it gives me a long list and I need to specify a directory to make the deb2dsl pkg ... I think I'm lost now :( |
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| 15:21.45 | loodee | hey , does anyone have 2 screens on a ati 9250 working ? |
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| 15:22.55 | till_ | aloha |
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| 15:23.04 | silvertip257 | hello |
| 15:23.11 | till_ | how do i switch home directory and login shell of a user on debian? |
| 15:23.25 | till_ | there is no pw utility ;/ |
| 15:23.36 | stew | till_: chsh, chfn, vipw |
| 15:23.46 | till_ | ah |
| 15:23.46 | _Lucretia_ | is it possible to recompile a 32-bit version of gnat for my 64-bit ubuntu? or at least get them both installed on my machine so I can select it with -b <target> ? thanks |
| 15:23.52 | stew | till_: or usermod |
| 15:23.55 | till_ | usermod! |
| 15:24.02 | till_ | thanks a lot |
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| 15:24.11 | stew | _Lucretia_: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 15:24.18 | _Lucretia_ | I am as well |
| 15:24.32 | till_ | stew: i owe you |
| 15:24.34 | till_ | thanks |
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| 15:24.47 | till_ | bye, bye |
| 15:24.48 | s0n1 | how i disable usb in debian ? |
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| 15:25.04 | _Lucretia_ | stew: seeing as ubuntu is essentially debian, I thought I'd ask here |
| 15:25.14 | s0n1 | more erros in my dmesg |
| 15:25.14 | s0n1 | [ 315.317498] evbug.c: Disconnected device: usb-0000:01:04.4-1/input1 |
| 15:25.14 | s0n1 | [ 315.556578] usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 32 |
| 15:25.14 | s0n1 | [ 315.712396] input: HP Virtual Keyboard as /class/input/input650 |
| 15:25.14 | s0n1 | [ 315.712479] evbug.c: Connected device: "HP Virtual Keyboard", usb-0000:01:04. 4-1/input0 |
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| 15:25.20 | stew | _Lucretia_: its not at all. and its off-topic here |
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| 15:26.04 | stew | !tell s0n1 about paste |
| 15:27.02 | stew | s0n1: you could try unloading ohci_hcd / ehci_hcd / uhci_hcd |
| 15:27.25 | silvertip257 | jelly: when I run "dpkg -i nxnode<#'s>" it goes all wacky & logs root in on a separate X session .... |
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| 15:30.34 | silvertip257 | anyone else know about installing FreeNX using dpkg ??? |
| 15:30.48 | gan | hi to all,i am getting problem with bluetooth manager |
| 15:31.09 | gan | can any1 help me |
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| 15:31.20 | zamuro | !any1 |
| 15:31.20 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
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| 15:31.58 | gan | hi dpkg,sorry for writing any1.. |
| 15:32.09 | gan | dpkg,GTK Accessibility Module initialized |
| 15:32.09 | gan | Bonobo accessibility support initialized |
| 15:32.09 | gan | /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gnomebt/manager.py:142: DeprecationWarning: gnome.ui.AppBar constructor takes exactly 3 arguments, but calling old gtk.HBox constructor for compatibility reasons. |
| 15:32.09 | gan | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.09 | gan | /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gnomebt/manager.py:213: GtkWarning: gtk_label_set_text: assertion `GTK_IS_LABEL (label)' failed |
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| 15:33.36 | gan | hi all i am new to debian please help me |
| 15:33.58 | Jean11 | How can I tell what is IRQ #7 I get the message : Message from syslog ... Disabling IRQ #7 |
| 15:34.17 | gan | i am getting problem for gnome-bluetooth-manager |
| 15:34.24 | stew | Jean11: cat /proc/interrupts |
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| 15:35.25 | mhall | I had a drive go bad in my RAID 5 and I am trying to add it back in but I get this fucking error and I can't make it re-add and rebuild the array. What the hell?!? md: kicking non-fresh sdc1 from array! |
| 15:36.50 | gan | hi all ,i tried with btscanner as well hcitool it is detecting bluetooth devices but for bluetooth manager it is giving warning about GTK |
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| 15:37.46 | Jean11 | stew: thanks now my system crashed. but am connected to it via ssh. I am really haviing a problem and thought it was iceweasel but apparently it is not. can I paste /proc/interrupts and maybe you can give me some hints, now my ssh session is frozen as well. |
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| 15:38.34 | bliss | hi |
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| 15:38.46 | stew | Jean11: if the system crashed, it doesn't sound like iceweasel |
| 15:38.48 | gan | bliss,hi |
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| 15:39.00 | bliss | gan:hi |
| 15:39.17 | gan | bliss ,i tried with btscanner as well hcitool it is detecting bluetooth devices but for bluetooth manager it is giving warning about GTK |
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| 15:39.36 | black12322 | hi |
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| 15:40.16 | maxamillion | black12322: hello |
| 15:40.17 | lunartear | where do i specify daemon_smtp_ports for exim? |
| 15:40.22 | silvertip257 | jelly: you afk? |
| 15:40.25 | Jean11 | stew: why would the kernel disable IRQ #7 |
| 15:40.36 | silvertip257 | I'm going to get another pastebin |
| 15:40.38 | stew | Jean11: i don't know |
| 15:40.48 | black12322 | lol this room owns the ubuntu room almost as much as debian owns ubuntu |
| 15:40.55 | black12322 | lol - yeah i got a q- |
| 15:41.12 | black12322 | is it normal on ati graphic computers to have x.org using a large amount of cpu ? |
| 15:41.35 | maxamillion | black12322: yes, actually i noticed that on a couple machines at work .... what driver are you using? |
| 15:41.47 | bliss | gan: sorry I not familiar with bluetooth |
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| 15:42.09 | black12322 | ah the open source one |
| 15:42.17 | maxamillion | black12322: i ended up having to alter the driver and it helped, one of them reverted to vesa and the other went from 'ati' to flgrx |
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| 15:42.27 | black12322 | yeah ... |
| 15:42.31 | black12322 | nar i want ati |
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| 15:42.37 | black12322 | so i can have aiglx |
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| 15:42.41 | black12322 | when i fell like it |
| 15:42.53 | maxamillion | black12322: find out if it is supported by the proprietary binary, if so .. use that one and if not ... just see what helps the best |
| 15:42.54 | black12322 | feel * |
| 15:43.11 | black12322 | eh .. ati prop supports aiglx / |
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| 15:43.14 | black12322 | ?? no way |
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| 15:43.18 | lunartear | where do i specify daemon_smtp_ports for exim? |
| 15:43.19 | maxamillion | black12322: well the ati driver (to the best of my knowledge) can't do aiglx, i think you need flgrx |
| 15:43.29 | black12322 | dude i'm using the ati driver |
| 15:43.33 | black12322 | with aiglx |
| 15:43.37 | black12322 | lol |
| 15:43.38 | gan | i am getting error for gnome-bluetooth-manager |
| 15:43.41 | maxamillion | black12322: oh, good to know |
| 15:43.45 | black12322 | yeah |
| 15:43.47 | black12322 | lol |
| 15:43.48 | stew | maxamillion: you have it backwards |
| 15:43.54 | Jean11 | why would the kerenel disable IRQ #7 |
| 15:43.56 | black12322 | so your saying the ati prop might be better ? |
| 15:43.58 | maxamillion | stew: ah, ok |
| 15:44.02 | black12322 | arh jean do it in bios |
| 15:44.07 | black12322 | lol |
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| 15:44.11 | black12322 | take the easy way out jean |
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| 15:44.24 | stew | Jean11: what is on interrupt 7? |
| 15:44.39 | black12322 | yeah so max ? |
| 15:44.48 | maxamillion | black12322: well aiglx overloads mesa so i assume it is just the drive causing you greif because if you have the right driver paired up with the right gfx card then it will off load that over to the gpu |
| 15:44.59 | black12322 | yeah |
| 15:45.01 | black12322 | fair enough |
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| 15:45.07 | lunartear | where do i specify daemon_smtp_ports for exim? |
| 15:45.17 | black12322 | but your saying the fglrx driver might have support for aiglx for my card ? |
| 15:45.20 | black12322 | it's a 9600xt |
| 15:45.24 | black12322 | where can i check this ? |
| 15:45.27 | Jean11 | stew: If I am reading correctly : 7: 2100001 0 0 0 XT-PIC-XT uhci_hcd:us |
| 15:45.37 | maxamillion | black12322: just a moment, let me find you a link |
| 15:45.38 | gan | jean11,hi |
| 15:45.43 | black12322 | k |
| 15:45.53 | maxamillion | black12322: http://technowizah.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-ati-drivers.html |
| 15:45.55 | stew | Jean11: that is usb |
| 15:45.57 | Jean11 | gan, hello |
| 15:46.17 | gan | jean11,can you help to resolve mine problem about gnome-bluetooth-manager |
| 15:46.28 | Jean11 | gan, have no idea |
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| 15:46.42 | stew | gan: how did you install it? |
| 15:46.46 | viller | is there a tool called convert? For pngs or something? |
| 15:46.51 | black12322 | ah but max |
| 15:46.55 | stew | viller: yes, in imagemagick |
| 15:46.59 | lunartear | viller imagemagick |
| 15:47.00 | black12322 | it doesn't say anything about aiglx ? |
| 15:47.03 | black12322 | does it ? |
| 15:47.08 | lunartear | where do i specify daemon_smtp_ports for exim? |
| 15:47.12 | gan | stew:i it came with distro |
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| 15:47.29 | black12322 | and the x.org conf doesn't have it enabled |
| 15:47.33 | stew | gan: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:47.33 | black12322 | as far as i can tell |
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| 15:47.40 | black12322 | so it's using xgl ? |
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| 15:47.56 | black12322 | nope that's not in the conf either... |
| 15:48.03 | stew | black12322: xgl isn't in debian |
| 15:48.04 | gan | stew:debian sid kernel 2.6.21 |
| 15:48.11 | stew | gan: did you check the bts? |
| 15:48.38 | black12322 | lol |
| 15:48.43 | black12322 | and beryl is stew ? |
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| 15:48.47 | gan | stew:bts or btscanner..with btscanner it is detecting deviace.. |
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| 15:49.01 | stew | gan: /msg dpkg bts |
| 15:49.07 | stew | black12322: no, beryl is not |
| 15:49.23 | black12322 | lol |
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| 15:49.28 | black12322 | not in the stable release you mean |
| 15:49.36 | stew | black12322: not in any release |
| 15:49.37 | black12322 | lol |
| 15:49.44 | black12322 | ah isn't it in ... |
| 15:49.50 | stew | black12322: no |
| 15:50.08 | black12322 | sid.. |
| 15:50.10 | black12322 | oh really ? |
| 15:50.14 | stew | really |
| 15:50.20 | gan | stew:but how to send and recieve data using btscanner? |
| 15:50.23 | eth01 | where does debian place the apache2 conf where it stores vhosts? |
| 15:50.27 | black12322 | lol |
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| 15:50.35 | black12322 | man apache |
| 15:50.39 | black12322 | man apache.conf ? |
| 15:50.48 | stew | eth01: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled / sites-available |
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| 15:50.48 | lunartear | which config file do i specify daemon_smtp_ports for exim? |
| 15:50.53 | silvertip257 | jelly: here's what nxnode does, but it hangs up at the end of this (on a 2.6GHz 2GB RAM machine) |
| 15:50.55 | NeyRoh | hey i habe problems with the ATI-Drivers. My System: Debian + Radeon 9800 Pro. It uses the mesa driver and not the fglrx-driver |
| 15:50.58 | silvertip257 | jelly >>> http://sial.org/pbot/26637 |
| 15:51.07 | black12322 | oh hi neyroh |
| 15:51.13 | stew | gan: i don't know what btscanner is. if you are getting python errors from some package you installed from sid, you should be checking the bts |
| 15:51.13 | NeyRoh | hey black |
| 15:51.17 | black12322 | i was just getting informe d aobut this |
| 15:51.21 | black12322 | i have a 9600xt |
| 15:51.28 | black12322 | i am using the mesa drivers |
| 15:51.34 | black12322 | they are fine - bar the cpu usage |
| 15:51.46 | black12322 | http://technowizah.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-ati-drivers.html |
| 15:51.46 | mu6VV0r713 | does anyone have expirience using Tinywm ? I can't find any docs on the keybindings |
| 15:51.48 | NeyRoh | but they are not nice for playing |
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| 15:51.56 | black12322 | try that |
| 15:51.59 | black12322 | eh really ? |
| 15:52.01 | black12322 | reyroh ? |
| 15:52.12 | NeyRoh | yes? |
| 15:52.12 | black12322 | your trying to use the fgrlx thing ? |
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| 15:52.26 | NeyRoh | yes |
| 15:52.43 | black12322 | oh |
| 15:52.48 | gan | stew:what is bts..i am new to debian? |
| 15:52.53 | black12322 | does it work with aiglx |
| 15:52.53 | black12322 | or is it reported to ? |
| 15:52.53 | NeyRoh | fgrlx are the ati drivers, aren't |
| 15:52.58 | Jean11 | does the message (WW) NVIDIA (1) : WAIT (2, 7, 0x8000, 0x0000ee40, 0x000ee6c) and a bunch of other mean anything. This is in the last few lines of Xorg.0.log.old I am trying to see why my system crashed |
| 15:53.02 | stew | gan: /msg dpkg bts ; if you are new to debian, you should not be using sid |
| 15:53.14 | NeyRoh | i dont try to use aiglx |
| 15:53.21 | black12322 | oh |
| 15:53.34 | black12322 | they ati drivers cannot do aiglx ? |
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| 15:53.43 | NeyRoh | i dont know |
| 15:53.45 | black12322 | - i cannot try it know |
| 15:53.47 | black12322 | now * |
| 15:53.55 | black12322 | my comp is off |
| 15:53.58 | black12322 | this is a laptop |
| 15:54.00 | NeyRoh | oh okay |
| 15:54.03 | jelly | silvertip257: I have no experience with nx, so I can't tell if that's normal. Sorry. |
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| 15:54.10 | black12322 | not my own--- .. running windows shit |
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| 15:54.36 | silvertip257 | jelly: ok ... I don't know what to do ... it's only a deb and all ... |
| 15:54.41 | black12322 | lol |
| 15:54.45 | silvertip257 | can't take that long can it jelly? |
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| 15:54.46 | black12322 | silver what is the problem ? |
| 15:54.57 | black12322 | grep silver.. |
| 15:55.09 | silvertip257 | I'm trying "dpkg -i nxnode<#s>" and it hangs |
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| 15:55.17 | silvertip257 | lemme get the pastebin |
| 15:55.23 | black12322 | eh |
| 15:55.30 | jelly | silvertip257: ask the people who made the package, I guess. |
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| 15:55.37 | silvertip257 | ok lol jelly |
| 15:55.39 | black12322 | try running the apt clean thingy |
| 15:55.42 | lunartear | which config file do i specify daemon_smtp_ports for exim? |
| 15:55.46 | silvertip257 | black12322: http://sial.org/pbot/26637 |
| 15:55.47 | black12322 | apt-get clean ? or what is it ? |
| 15:55.49 | black12322 | i forget |
| 15:55.57 | stew | black12322: what difference could that possibly make? |
| 15:55.57 | silvertip257 | ok ty black |
| 15:56.00 | stew | silvertip257: don't bother |
| 15:56.03 | silvertip257 | ok |
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| 15:56.11 | silvertip257 | stew: http://sial.org/pbot/26637 |
| 15:56.11 | black12322 | try it |
| 15:56.14 | zapalotta | hello |
| 15:56.14 | black12322 | just do it |
| 15:56.17 | stew | black12322: why? |
| 15:56.22 | jelly | black12322: it's not relevant. |
| 15:56.30 | stew | black12322: do you know what 'apt-get clean' does? |
| 15:56.32 | black12322 | wtf what is in the log |
| 15:56.47 | black12322 | - fixes stuff ? |
| 15:56.51 | black12322 | lol |
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| 15:56.54 | lunartear | omg someone answer me please |
| 15:56.55 | black12322 | i m not sure |
| 15:56.56 | zapalotta | For some reason every command (even a simple return without any command) in bash prints the hostname in the end here. Does anybody have an idea? |
| 15:57.00 | zapalotta | Debian Etch |
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| 15:57.08 | NeyRoh | black, can u help me better when u see my log file? |
| 15:57.11 | stew | black12322: no, it doesn't fix stuff |
| 15:57.23 | black12322 | i'm not great ney |
| 15:57.30 | silvertip257 | stew: what do you think I can do ? |
| 15:57.31 | black12322 | i need my comp to try that howto |
| 15:57.40 | black12322 | for the ati card |
| 15:57.45 | NeyRoh | i will try it by myself |
| 15:57.47 | black12322 | thingy but i want aiglx so imight not |
| 15:57.50 | black12322 | lol go for it |
| 15:57.58 | black12322 | i recommend it |
| 15:58.16 | black12322 | btw what is the problem with nx ? |
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| 15:58.23 | black12322 | isn't it running ? / installed ? |
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| 15:58.33 | black12322 | kj |
| 15:58.34 | Jean11 | does the message (WW) NVIDIA (1) : WAIT (2, 7, 0x8000, 0x0000ee40, 0x000ee6c) and a bunch of other mean anything. This is in the last few lines of Xorg.0.log.old I am trying to see why my system crashed. Can this message be the cause of the crash ????? |
| 15:58.35 | bliss | in /etc/fstab i have this line /dev/mapper/debian-home /home ext3 defaults 0 2 similar lines for root home and swap but nothing for /dev/hda5 the encrypted partition |
| 15:58.43 | eth01 | http://rafb.net/p/KUDTLP22.html -- any ideas? |
| 15:58.48 | stew | silvertip257: perhaps strace it |
| 15:58.48 | gan | nn-bluetoot-net:hi |
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| 15:59.20 | jetscreamer | Jean11: you should ask such things in #nvidia also, that error msg is new, different, and unknown in here afaik |
| 15:59.27 | black12322 | mmmm btw when should strace be used over gdb ? |
| 15:59.38 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 15:59.40 | gan | nn-bluetooth-net:i am getting error for gnaome-bluetooth-manager as GTK_IS_LABEL (label)' failed |
| 15:59.49 | black12322 | jean just undo what you did |
| 15:59.54 | black12322 | if your not in x anymore ... |
| 15:59.55 | Jean11 | jetscreamer: I did and also on xorg |
| 16:00.07 | black12322 | dkpg -...x.org no ? |
| 16:00.09 | silvertip257 | stew: I'm gonna "man strace" ;) |
| 16:00.23 | black12322 | what about strace man ? |
| 16:00.27 | lunartear | im running exim 4.5 on debian, I need to specify it to run on multiple ports.. daemon_smtp_ports is suppose to be the variable to define for this, but when i put it in update.exim4.conf.conf and try reloading it it complains that that option doesnt exist. Where am i suppose to define this variable for exim? |
| 16:00.30 | jetscreamer | Jean11: so did it ever work ? |
| 16:00.41 | stew | silvertip257: strace -f -o /tmo/dpkg.strace dpkg -i whatever ; then watch dpkg.strace to see what it is actually doing |
| 16:00.47 | Jean11 | black12322" what I did is got a new machine and trying to install debian without crashing it ;) |
| 16:00.55 | black12322 | oh |
| 16:00.56 | silvertip257 | ok ty stew |
| 16:00.57 | black12322 | lol |
| 16:01.05 | black12322 | well i am very good at that |
| 16:01.10 | black12322 | - the not crashing it part |
| 16:01.12 | jetscreamer | jean what card? gpu |
| 16:01.13 | black12322 | lol |
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| 16:01.21 | Jean11 | jetscreamer: what asking on #xorg and #nvidis necer they are all dead there |
| 16:01.21 | black12322 | jean it better not be an ati |
| 16:01.28 | black12322 | i regret getting my ati card |
| 16:01.40 | black12322 | i should have gotten the 5900xt (and given up hl2) |
| 16:01.59 | jetscreamer | Jean11: #nvidia can be slow, but nvidia devs do hang there |
| 16:02.09 | jetscreamer | jean what vid card? |
| 16:02.14 | Jean11 | black12322: First I went with X1650 Pro and it did not work bought GS 7300 nvidia and now it works but crashes |
| 16:02.14 | jetscreamer | and which driver |
| 16:02.27 | black12322 | LOL |
| 16:02.29 | Jean11 | jetscreamer: 7300GS |
| 16:02.31 | black12322 | sell your x1650 |
| 16:02.36 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:02.37 | black12322 | buy a 7600 no ? |
| 16:02.39 | Jean11 | jetscreamer: nvidia |
| 16:02.41 | jetscreamer | driver? |
| 16:02.48 | silvertip257 | stew: bash: strace: command not found .... |
| 16:02.55 | black12322 | omg |
| 16:02.57 | stew | silvertip257: its probably not installed |
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| 16:03.00 | jetscreamer | the .run or the .dev m-a a-i |
| 16:03.00 | black12322 | wow ... no strace |
| 16:03.00 | silvertip257 | I'm using DSL btw stew ... :( |
| 16:03.04 | jetscreamer | err .dev |
| 16:03.09 | jetscreamer | b |
| 16:03.15 | stew | silvertip257: please go to #damnsmalllinux for help with DSL |
| 16:03.18 | Jean11 | jetscreamer: yes nvidia compiled the "debian way" |
| 16:03.27 | black12322 | oh |
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| 16:03.36 | jetscreamer | Jean11: kernel? |
| 16:03.41 | silvertip257 | stew: it's a debian issue (not really) ... #d-s-l stinks noone is responsive :( |
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| 16:03.55 | jetscreamer | (btw those are things ppl wanna know to figure stuff out) |
| 16:03.58 | black12322 | what do you mean compiled the debian way ? doesn't nvidia do that ? |
| 16:04.07 | black12322 | otherwise it would be open source no ? |
| 16:04.08 | stew | silvertip257: its not a debian issue becuase A) you anre not running debian and B) you are having trouble with a piece of software that debian doesn't even distrubute |
| 16:04.16 | Jean11 | jetscreaner: 2.6.22-1.ams64 |
| 16:04.22 | jetscreamer | the .run verses m-a a-i, black12322 |
| 16:04.25 | Jean11 | ^^amd64 |
| 16:04.29 | black12322 | oh |
| 16:04.31 | jetscreamer | oh yeah |
| 16:04.41 | black12322 | i see you mean you build / make the ... k |
| 16:04.41 | jetscreamer | amd64... i can't help :/ |
| 16:04.45 | silvertip257 | stew: ok ... let's just leave it at that ... it sucks |
| 16:04.47 | jetscreamer | never had one |
| 16:05.04 | jetscreamer | versus |
| 16:05.12 | black12322 | eh what does ? |
| 16:05.15 | black12322 | amd64 ? |
| 16:05.19 | black12322 | i'm lost |
| 16:05.40 | Jean11 | 64 bit |
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| 16:06.10 | black12322 | yeah 64bit is good |
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| 16:06.13 | black12322 | it's like double 32 ? |
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| 16:06.14 | black12322 | lol |
| 16:06.39 | jetscreamer | or 4x16 |
| 16:06.59 | black12322 | or one X ninitendo 64 |
| 16:07.06 | black12322 | Nintendo * |
| 16:07.33 | ruckerz | [5~/bye |
| 16:07.40 | Jean11 | where can I get help |
| 16:07.40 | jetscreamer | Jean11: what about grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:07.45 | jetscreamer | not log.old |
| 16:07.47 | black12322 | any one here played super smash bros ? |
| 16:08.07 | stew | black12322: plase keep it on-topic |
| 16:08.07 | Jean11 | NOTHING |
| 16:08.17 | jetscreamer | Jean11: seriously probably one of your best bets is #nvidia when the devs can see your question |
| 16:08.39 | jetscreamer | Jean11: did you ever apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx ? |
| 16:08.49 | Jean11 | jetscreamer: I will keep on trying, no |
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| 16:08.59 | Jean11 | I will do that now |
| 16:09.07 | jetscreamer | did you ever install it at all |
| 16:09.17 | Jean11 | yes |
| 16:09.21 | jetscreamer | you have to do that explicitly it doesn't do it on it's own iirc |
| 16:09.38 | jetscreamer | o |
| 16:09.52 | black12322 | dpkg it ? |
| 16:09.52 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C' anche il canale #linux-it l. |
| 16:10.00 | black12322 | eh ... what language is that ? |
| 16:10.03 | black12322 | port... |
| 16:10.16 | Jean11 | remember theyy are working they just crash but I cannot tell why where when how |
| 16:10.18 | black12322 | oh it's italian no ? |
| 16:10.23 | jetscreamer | what language is italian you say |
| 16:10.53 | jetscreamer | Jean11: and have you ever considered using the .run from nvidia... :o |
| 16:10.58 | jetscreamer | it's a thought |
| 16:11.08 | jetscreamer | s/using/trying/ |
| 16:11.34 | Jean11 | jetscreamer: yes and it was crashing it more times :( |
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| 16:11.44 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:12.31 | jetscreamer | if you ever try the .run again do something with it similar to http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt |
| 16:12.33 | Jean11 | what cards you know off that work smoothly. I need them to be dual heads |
| 16:12.50 | jetscreamer | oh yeah you're the tri head |
| 16:12.53 | black12322 | lol |
| 16:12.59 | black12322 | what about those matroxs ? |
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| 16:13.10 | jetscreamer | does dual head work/not crash? |
| 16:13.14 | black12322 | that co that specialises in multiple heads |
| 16:13.17 | jetscreamer | or just one card? |
| 16:13.21 | black12322 | do htey have good linux drivers ? |
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| 16:13.35 | kritzstapf | is there a quick way to set up a repository of some debs i just built? |
| 16:13.45 | jetscreamer | what happens when you take one of the cards/heads out of the question |
| 16:13.51 | stew | kritzstapf: /msg dpkg repository |
| 16:13.51 | jetscreamer | !mirror |
| 16:13.51 | dpkg | [debian mirrors] http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 16:14.04 | jetscreamer | s/question/equation/ |
| 16:14.28 | black12322 | lol how many do you have ? |
| 16:14.34 | Jean11 | well have not tried it long enough but maybe I should do that |
| 16:14.44 | black12322 | apt-spy iinet |
| 16:14.46 | black12322 | mirror |
| 16:14.53 | black12322 | details ? |
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| 16:15.09 | jetscreamer | apt-spy was borked last time i checked.. back up your sources.list first |
| 16:15.22 | black12322 | what does it do ? |
| 16:15.24 | black12322 | check it out ? |
| 16:15.30 | kritzstapf | stew: this is not related to my question, is it? |
| 16:15.48 | black12322 | (i'm in windows bare with me for 1 sec till i get a remote ssh connection up |
| 16:15.56 | stew | kritzstapf: yes, '/msg dpkg repository' should get you info about building a repository for your debs |
| 16:16.01 | jetscreamer | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 16:16.22 | kritzstapf | i just want to do a mirror, i just want to host a few own packages :) |
| 16:16.24 | black12322 | the site is down |
| 16:16.27 | black12322 | ? |
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| 16:16.36 | black12322 | omg no way |
| 16:16.50 | black12322 | nm it was your link |
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| 16:17.42 | black12322 | wait... |
| 16:17.44 | black12322 | wtf |
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| 16:18.03 | stew | black12322: please don't hit enter so often |
| 16:18.18 | black12322 | sorry |
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| 16:18.25 | loodee | can we setup 2 screens wit the free ati drivers for horizontal extension ? |
| 16:18.27 | bliss | stew: can you take a look at http://www.pastebin.ca/644106 with reference to the last bit /dev/debian/home |
| 16:18.34 | black12322 | i'm not in my usual irc client |
| 16:18.49 | jetscreamer | ooo 32bit userland with a 64-bit kernel does actually work if you unpack and install the modules manually (.run) |
| 16:18.53 | black12322 | shortcut keys are different - not break .. / space it's post ... |
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| 16:19.03 | black12322 | yeah wtf tho - the debian site is down ? |
| 16:19.14 | jetscreamer | /dev/debian/home????? |
| 16:19.34 | stew | bliss: what about it? |
| 16:20.02 | bliss | stew: well somewhere in there is /dev/hda5 I think |
| 16:20.18 | stew | bliss: what do you mean? |
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| 16:22.13 | jetscreamer | oh lvm |
| 16:22.36 | black12322 | oh btw why isthe debian site down ? |
| 16:22.42 | stew | black12322: it isn't |
| 16:22.53 | black12322 | well my connectoin is fucked then |
| 16:23.33 | claudio` | I'm trying to syncronize two directories (recursively) by using rsync(1) and it works properly. I just have a problem with some file: these files are *identic* (same name, same md5) but rsync erase and copy them any time i run it. The destination filesystem is FAT32 (my USB Flash Disk). Does anyone have an idea of why this occur and how can i fix it? rsync(1) and Google has not been helpful, yet. |
| 16:23.41 | jetscreamer | are you trying debian.com ? |
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| 16:23.54 | black12322 | yeah debian.org ? |
| 16:23.55 | stew | claudio`: by default rsync uses time not md5 |
| 16:23.56 | warlock--- | Hey guys, can anyone link me the netinstall of debian 4.0 for servers? |
| 16:24.08 | claudio` | stew: the time is the same, of course. |
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| 16:24.20 | jetscreamer | warlock---: there is no server flavor it's al the same |
| 16:24.21 | warlock--- | I dont want a graphic interface for debian 4.0, I want it for servers - anyone know where to get it? |
| 16:24.26 | jetscreamer | jsut arch |
| 16:24.28 | warlock--- | well, debian etch? |
| 16:24.35 | jetscreamer | warlock---: there is no server flavor it's al the same |
| 16:24.38 | stew | warlock---: debian.org ; click on "getting debian" |
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| 16:24.53 | claudio` | stew: no, it isn't |
| 16:24.55 | warlock--- | well, yes there is. There's a debian server version? I've used a debian version for servers before :o |
| 16:25.01 | bliss | stew: you see gparted gives this output /dev/hda1 ext3 /boot /dev/hda2 extented 37gb /dev/hda5 unknown, you see and /etc/fstab is here http://www.pastebin.ca/644477 |
| 16:25.14 | claudio` | stew: why i get that problem only with that files? |
| 16:25.17 | stew | warlock---: there is not a specific server version |
| 16:25.21 | jetscreamer | warlock---: it's what you choose to install, not the cd |
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| 16:25.36 | claudio` | stew: if i remove them from the destination directory and re-run rsync i'll get the same problem the 2nd time i run it. Is it normal? |
| 16:25.38 | warlock--- | ah? and how do I install the 'server' version then? without graphical interface? |
| 16:25.46 | stew | bliss: do you have a question? |
| 16:25.51 | warlock--- | instead of 'enter' I type in 'server' then hit enter? |
| 16:25.53 | jetscreamer | you just do it.. you have to tell it to install xorg |
| 16:26.02 | warlock--- | um? I don't want a graphic interface for the second time |
| 16:26.05 | bliss | stew: how to get into /dev/hda5 |
| 16:26.07 | jetscreamer | no |
| 16:26.11 | stew | warlock---: there is not a specific server version. and the default installer interface is ncurses, not graphical |
| 16:26.21 | jetscreamer | just install |
| 16:26.23 | Authority | claudio`: what options are you using with rsync? |
| 16:26.30 | warlock--- | I did install, and I see a graphical interface |
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| 16:26.49 | stew | warlock---: which cd did you download? |
| 16:26.53 | warlock--- | let me link it |
| 16:26.58 | jetscreamer | take all those check boxes off in tasksel, warlock, btw when it asks you to choose what to install |
| 16:26.59 | claudio` | Authority: -Phruc --del. Please, don' tell me to use the `-c' flag, it's really too slow. |
| 16:27.18 | warlock--- | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 16:27.20 | warlock--- | thats the one |
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| 16:27.49 | stew | bliss: show us the output of 'fdisk -l /dev/hda' ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:28.00 | jetscreamer | you have to tell it to do the gui don't you? ncurses is the default |
| 16:28.42 | warlock--- | jetscreamer, No - I just choiced "standard installation" and It gives me a graphical interface |
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| 16:29.29 | stew | warlock---: when you boot that cd, you get a text based debian logo and a boot: prompt. did you type anything at that prompt or just hit enter? |
| 16:29.30 | claudio` | Anyway, if the problem is the creation data of the file, i can't understand why i get this problem only with these two files. |
| 16:29.38 | jetscreamer | you're not calling the ncurses one the gui are you? |
| 16:29.38 | warlock--- | I just hit enter stew |
| 16:29.52 | warlock--- | should I type anything there or what? :-o |
| 16:30.05 | jetscreamer | and get a blue box saying choose your language? |
| 16:30.28 | warlock--- | Yes, im on it now |
| 16:30.33 | warlock--- | now what? |
| 16:31.00 | warlock--- | er |
| 16:31.00 | jetscreamer | the gui installer is different |
| 16:31.06 | stew | warlock---: wait, if you see a blue box saying choose your language, you are in the text installer |
| 16:31.06 | jetscreamer | that's ncurses |
| 16:31.14 | warlock--- | stew, I got it last time too |
| 16:31.29 | stew | warlock---: and then what, at some later point it switches to be graphical? |
| 16:31.35 | black12322 | oh i found out why i cannot get to debian.org |
| 16:31.40 | black12322 | my isp is having problems |
| 16:31.43 | black12322 | lovelly |
| 16:31.46 | jetscreamer | gui looks like xorg |
| 16:31.46 | jetscreamer | no |
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| 16:31.51 | jetscreamer | it stays like that |
| 16:32.17 | jetscreamer | it will be gui if you tell it to be on the boot: line |
| 16:32.33 | warlock--- | well |
| 16:32.36 | Authority | claudio`: i don't ever target a FAT filesystem, but I use rsync *a lot* and I like '-vahEP' as my rsync options |
| 16:32.39 | stew | i'm wondering if he installed the desktop task and is talking about what is happening post-install |
| 16:32.41 | warlock--- | stew, yes when it boots up |
| 16:32.48 | bliss | strew: bash: /dev/hda Permission Denied unable to open |
| 16:32.58 | stew | warlock---: do you mean AFTER you install debian? or during the install process? |
| 16:33.01 | stew | bliss: as root |
| 16:33.02 | black12322 | ... eh are you root bliss |
| 16:33.03 | warlock--- | after |
| 16:33.05 | black12322 | lol |
| 16:33.08 | black12322 | all at once ? |
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| 16:34.02 | stew | warlock---: just don't install the "desktop" task. or if it is already installed, just run "aptitude remove x11-common" |
| 16:34.04 | warlock--- | OK look, I downloaded debian 4.0 and installed it, and when it boots up I get a GUI telling me to login and now the "ssh promt" that I usually got |
| 16:34.12 | warlock--- | ok, I'll take a look |
| 16:34.16 | warlock--- | installing from scratch now though |
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| 16:34.27 | black12322 | yeah |
| 16:34.34 | black12322 | wait ... |
| 16:34.35 | claudio` | Authority: why don't use the `-u' flag? The `-E' flag is useless on FAT32. |
| 16:34.39 | black12322 | what your getting a new ... |
| 16:34.39 | stew | warlock---: when it asks you if you want it to be a "desktop" or "laptop" or "webserver" just don't choose anything |
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| 16:34.55 | stew | !tell black12322 about enter |
| 16:35.07 | black12322 | fine i will shutup |
| 16:35.09 | black12322 | more |
| 16:35.17 | warlock--- | stew, I choiced standardinstallation last time :( |
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| 16:35.53 | Authority | claudio`: i don't use '-u' because I typically use rsync as a backup or migration tool, so I'm only expecting the data to change on one end, not both |
| 16:36.49 | bliss | stew: still getting the same answer, fdisk I think is obolete in etch? |
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| 16:37.07 | claudio` | Authority: yes, i understand. Anyway, it is non-understandable sometimes (as the case above). |
| 16:37.23 | bliss | stew: obsolete |
| 16:37.25 | stew | bliss: no, it isn't obsolete. what does "ls -l /dev/hda" return? |
| 16:37.25 | claudio` | Authority: i think i should read the source code in order to understand it a bit. |
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| 16:38.46 | black12322 | the room is quiet ? |
| 16:38.54 | norc | Is there a way to determine which package "foo" pulled in "bar" as dependency? |
| 16:38.55 | warlock--- | ah stew, I think I sorted it out now |
| 16:39.04 | warlock--- | I didn't see that it had "desktop installation" marked as default |
| 16:39.10 | warlock--- | ugh :-p |
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| 16:40.17 | stew | norc: probably via grep-status from grep-dctrl, or some combination of "apt-get rdepends bar" and dpkg -l |
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| 16:40.39 | norc | stew: mhm.. thanks |
| 16:40.55 | cottima | is it possible to do a netinstall over sshfs? |
| 16:41.08 | norc | stew: there is no rdepends action |
| 16:41.11 | hark | apt-cache rdepends bar |
| 16:41.14 | norc | ah |
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| 16:41.28 | stew | oops, yeah, sorry |
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| 16:42.44 | bliss | stew; its here http://rafb.net/p/rPYiVv76.html dpkg advised me not to pate |
| 16:42.50 | norc | Weird, there is a bug in apt-cache. |
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| 16:42.54 | norc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.02 | norc | It's supposed to be "crm114" not "|crm114" |
| 16:43.56 | hark | norc: do apt-cache --installed rdepends bar (for installed packages) |
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| 16:44.10 | hark | that's a recommends iirc |
| 16:44.15 | norc | hark: ah thanks. :) |
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| 16:44.27 | norc | hark: although its not always 100% precise it did the job |
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| 16:45.42 | Authority | claudio`: you can try adding extra '-v' to the rsync command to get some extra info |
| 16:45.51 | jetscreamer | !room |
| 16:45.52 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
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| 16:45.55 | claudio` | Authority: yes, nice flag i'll use it. THX |
| 16:45.56 | Authority | claudio`: probably easier than reading the source |
| 16:46.28 | warlock--- | mysql 4.x is the newest mysql server out right? and php5? |
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| 16:49.01 | stopher | Good Morning! I need to edit php.ini to change the max memory value, I can't chmod or chown to edit it. What's the easiest way to get around the permissions problem? Vi with su- access? |
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| 16:49.31 | jetscreamer | sudo chown, edit, sudo chown back |
| 16:49.44 | jetscreamer | err chmod |
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| 16:49.51 | jetscreamer | i always typo them |
| 16:49.58 | jetscreamer | be sure and chmod it back |
| 16:49.58 | stopher | jetscreamer: how can i check to see what the current chmod is? |
| 16:50.03 | sandy_ | can any one tell me how to installl pinnacle PCTV card plz in deb |
| 16:50.04 | jetscreamer | to what it was |
| 16:50.13 | jetscreamer | ls -l ? |
| 16:50.18 | stopher | thanks jet |
| 16:50.25 | jetscreamer | pinnacle has some kernel modules |
| 16:50.52 | jetscreamer | did they get autoloaded? |
| 16:51.00 | sandy_ | ya |
| 16:51.58 | sandy_ | there are no kernel modules |
| 16:51.58 | jetscreamer | all i really know, i have a very very old one but never got it actually working, just detected/setup |
| 16:51.58 | jetscreamer | yes there are.. you mean not loaded |
| 16:51.58 | sandy_ | and i am new to deb and linux |
| 16:52.13 | jetscreamer | i remember pinnacle PCTV |
| 16:52.31 | bliss | stew: did you see the url |
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| 16:52.53 | jetscreamer | apt-get install modconf and browse around in the tv card section, bttv, around there |
| 16:52.59 | jetscreamer | all i know |
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| 16:54.23 | jetscreamer | there is a v4l page with some pinnacle stuff iirc also |
| 16:54.30 | jetscreamer | but google might help more |
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| 16:55.06 | sandy_ | ok i will tryt |
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| 16:55.25 | sandy_ | can you tell me how to install berly |
| 16:55.27 | stopher | jetscreamer: do you know the numeric for -rw-r--r--? |
| 16:56.10 | jetscreamer | 644 |
| 16:56.31 | carl | how does "getopts" signify no options present? |
| 16:56.32 | stopher | thanks |
| 16:56.33 | jetscreamer | you can tell ls to give it up in octal, also, iirc |
| 16:56.52 | jetscreamer | sandman__: maybe http://www.google.com/linux?q=video+linux+pinnacle&restrict=linux |
| 16:57.25 | sandy_ | thanks jetscreamer |
| 16:57.30 | jetscreamer | that's it.. i had a dc10+ |
| 16:57.56 | jetscreamer | can't even find a windows driver for it :) |
| 16:58.05 | jetscreamer | (well i did but i had to use leet hax) |
| 16:58.28 | stew | bliss: so "mount /dev/hda5 /mnt" should mount it to /mnt |
| 16:59.09 | sandy_ | tell me how to install berly |
| 16:59.34 | jetscreamer | try compiz first |
| 16:59.40 | jetscreamer | !beryl |
| 16:59.40 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager) |
| 16:59.48 | jetscreamer | !compiz |
| 16:59.48 | dpkg | [compiz] a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server.. Check http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 17:00.06 | sandy_ | when i enter sudo apt-get install beryl emerald-themes |
| 17:00.15 | bliss | stew: mount: can't find /dev/hda5/mnt in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 17:00.23 | sandy_ | the message is The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 17:00.23 | sandy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.23 | sandy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.23 | sandy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.23 | sandy_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:00.49 | stew | bliss: "mount /dev/hda5 /mnt" |
| 17:01.56 | jetscreamer | hmmm |
| 17:02.03 | jetscreamer | he's running ubuntu? |
| 17:02.10 | jetscreamer | there is no beryl returned by apt-cache search |
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| 17:02.34 | bliss | stew; bash: mount/dev/hda5/mnt: No such file or directory |
| 17:02.39 | jetscreamer | then there's the telltale sudo |
| 17:02.57 | jetscreamer | err |
| 17:02.57 | jetscreamer | spaces? |
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| 17:03.17 | jetscreamer | mount -t auto /dev/hda5 mount perhaps |
| 17:03.22 | jetscreamer | err |
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| 17:03.29 | jetscreamer | mount -t auto /dev/hda5 /mnt |
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| 17:04.45 | Dunk__ | Hi, do any of you use ion? |
| 17:05.17 | jetscreamer | somebody does |
| 17:05.20 | xand | !anyone |
| 17:05.20 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:05.24 | jetscreamer | why |
| 17:05.24 | jetscreamer | taking a poll? |
| 17:05.31 | jetscreamer | !anybody |
| 17:05.31 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 17:05.43 | xand | wtf |
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| 17:05.59 | jetscreamer | botattack? |
| 17:06.04 | cahoot | righteous spam? |
| 17:06.14 | jetscreamer | kinda weird |
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| 17:06.28 | jetscreamer | or not very effective |
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| 17:06.35 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 17:06.47 | jetscreamer | bah aleatori@* |
| 17:06.54 | jetscreamer | ban |
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| 17:07.17 | xand | !ops n=aleatori spam of some kind |
| 17:07.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xand complains about: n=aleatori spam of some kind |
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| 17:07.38 | xand | jelly: yes |
| 17:08.08 | jetscreamer | i personally feel it's not an attack but no idea |
| 17:08.19 | jelly | good thing I have those disabled, then |
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| 17:08.22 | black12322 | eh wtf ? |
| 17:08.41 | bliss | stew: I think you should look at /etc/fstab http://www.pastebin.ca/644533 /dev/mapper/? |
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| 17:08.50 | black12322 | bot attack ? |
| 17:08.52 | xand | jetscreamer: looks like spam to me |
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| 17:09.23 | black12322 | on this room or what ? |
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| 17:09.48 | jetscreamer | i mean, it is spam, but doesn't seem to be an attack at us ... |
| 17:09.50 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 17:09.54 | jetscreamer | !room |
| 17:09.54 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 17:09.55 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!n=aleatori@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 17:09.58 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 17:09.59 | black12322 | sorry where are you taling about ? |
| 17:10.06 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 17:10.06 | black12322 | this room ? is being spammed ? is ?it |
| 17:10.09 | azeem | black12322: do you have a Debian question? |
| 17:10.13 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 17:10.18 | xand | black12322: it's a channel, not a room |
| 17:10.22 | jetscreamer | aolify |
| 17:10.23 | stew | bliss: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 17:10.43 | black12322 | so this channel is being spammed ? |
| 17:10.49 | stew | bliss: or what exactly are you asking? |
| 17:10.51 | bliss | stew: mount /dev/hda5 so I can use it |
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| 17:10.58 | jetscreamer | bliss: could you like paste the command you did after stew told you what to put? |
| 17:11.03 | jetscreamer | verbatim? |
| 17:11.17 | azeem | black12322: no, there's nothing to see |
| 17:11.18 | stew | bliss: did you try the command i gave you? do you want this partition mounted automatically each time you boot? |
| 17:11.31 | jetscreamer | mount -t auto /dev/hda5 /mnt ? |
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| 17:12.08 | black12322 | k |
| 17:12.20 | nvrpunk | hello, I have tried to boot off a debian netinstall cd and it states there is no common cdrom drive |
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| 17:12.36 | nvrpunk | funny thing is my dvd drive worked until I changed to a new mobo |
| 17:13.01 | bliss | stew: when i installed debian I took the encrypted partition option eveytime i boot up LUKS asks me for a password yes if /dev/hda5 could mount on boot that would be grat |
| 17:13.26 | stew | bliss: is /dev/hda5 encrypted? |
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| 17:14.01 | jetscreamer | ahhh he's the luks guy |
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| 17:14.06 | bliss | stew: its encrypted when my stem closes hence the password on boot |
| 17:14.08 | jetscreamer | since yesterday he's been trying |
| 17:14.17 | jetscreamer | iirc yes it is |
| 17:14.18 | bliss | stew: system |
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| 17:14.47 | stew | bliss: sorry, i don't know anything about luks |
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| 17:14.58 | bliss | stew: ok thanks |
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| 17:15.34 | jetscreamer | i guess you're sure it's the right pw |
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| 17:20.08 | black12322 | hey does using cryptsetup / debian encryption thingy (selected during install ) slow your comptuer down much ? |
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| 17:21.57 | black12322 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:22.41 | jetscreamer | depends on the box i would imagine |
| 17:22.47 | jetscreamer | but there would be a hit somewhere |
| 17:23.16 | black12322 | k |
| 17:23.40 | stopher | what's the apache restart command..i thought i had it, but it's not working out as planned :) |
| 17:24.32 | jetscreamer | /etc/init.d/apach<TABKEY> restart ? |
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| 17:28.00 | erty2428 | Cunt is an English language vulgarism most commonly used in reference to the human vulva or vagina and, more generally, the pubis, from the mons veneris to the perineum.[[1]] The earliest citation of this usage, circa 1230, is in the Oxford English Dictionary, referring to the London street known as "Gropecunt Lane"; as the word "cunt" has been incorporated into the colloquial and technical speech of nautical and other occupational traditions. |
| 17:28.22 | xand | erty2428: are you a dictionary? |
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| 17:28.49 | erty2428 | Cunt is an English language vulgarism most commonly used in reference to the human vulva or vagina and, more generally, the pubis, from the mons veneris to the perineum.[[1]] The earliest citation of this usage, circa 1230, is in the Oxford English Dictionary, referring to the London street known as "Gropecunt Lane"; as the word "cunt" has been incorporated into the colloquial and technical speech of nautical and other occupational traditions. |
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| 17:28.54 | xand | !ops erty2428 spam |
| 17:28.54 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@brasil3.gigantehost.net] by stew |
| 17:28.54 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 17:28.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xand complains about: erty2428 spam |
| 17:28.55 | Osax | hi |
| 17:29.00 | xand | that was quick :) |
| 17:29.10 | Osax | how can i got php+pdo packages on etch? |
| 17:29.41 | Osax | i installed almost everyphp package related to pdo |
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| 17:29.46 | Osax | still it doesn't work |
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| 17:30.49 | jeward | If I have two nics, how do I make netcat use one over the other? |
| 17:31.16 | black12322 | ooo unplug one ? |
| 17:31.22 | jeward | Not an option. |
| 17:31.23 | black12322 | ifdown eth* |
| 17:31.23 | xand | very helpful. |
| 17:31.32 | jeward | Live servers. |
| 17:31.35 | black12322 | hay it's how i would do it |
| 17:31.40 | black12322 | oh nice..... |
| 17:31.42 | xand | that's a stupid idea |
| 17:31.47 | jeward | black12322: You'd lose a lot of money. |
| 17:31.49 | xand | jeward: -s? |
| 17:31.56 | black12322 | oi xand that would be fine if it wasn't a live server you know |
| 17:31.57 | jeward | xand: Checking. |
| 17:32.04 | xand | black12322: no it wouldn't |
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| 17:32.09 | black12322 | eh yeah |
| 17:32.19 | black12322 | i there would be no damage lol |
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| 17:37.09 | SexyKen | Anyone here ever get samba and vista working right with NTLMv2 |
| 17:37.32 | Dunk__ | do any of you guys use ion as your wm? I asked before but then got called away. |
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| 17:39.11 | Dunk__ | i'm using xdm and trying to get .xsession to execute some xmodmap commands, but they are ebing ignored |
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| 17:39.44 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 17:39.50 | jetscreamer | so you missed my !anybody |
| 17:39.55 | jetscreamer | !anybody |
| 17:39.56 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 17:41.32 | thelostbutler | hello folks, when i do df -h /disk1 i get /dev/md9 1.4T 1.3T 0 100% /disk but du -hs /disk1 shows only 573G /disk1. i am unable to reconsile how this is possible. is it due to the fact that lsof | grep disk1 | grep deleted | wc -l shows 5205 tmp files held by a process ? |
| 17:41.39 | thelostbutler | i would appreciate some help here |
| 17:41.41 | Dunk__ | oh, my bad |
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| 17:42.09 | Dunk__ | so .xsession doesn't like xmodmap for some reason - is there an alternative? |
| 17:42.33 | lindenl1 | Ok I know i am a bonehead but i can't seem to figure this out. How would I ldapsearch for all entries in an ou? |
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| 17:43.37 | xand | lindenl1: uid=*? |
| 17:43.44 | xand | or whatever criteria |
| 17:44.13 | lindenl1 | xand: I tried ou=Group, and i get the definition oof Group\ |
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| 17:44.29 | twobitsp1ite | does anyone have any idea what kind of voodoo rsh does that it can't find the route to system that I have no problem pinging or sshing to? |
| 17:44.35 | xand | lindenl1: yes |
| 17:44.43 | Dunk__ | it's a little esoteric perhaps... |
| 17:45.00 | lindenl1 | xand: But i want to see all Groups like cn=*,ou=Group |
| 17:45.17 | xand | lindenl1: offtopic here... but what ldap server is it? |
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| 17:45.27 | lindenl1 | xand: openldap. |
| 17:46.28 | jelly | twobitsp1ite: rsh is a two-way protocol like ftp. is one endpoint behind a nat? |
| 17:46.42 | lindenl1 | xand: i know i am just missing the point here but I cannot seem to figure this out. |
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| 17:47.35 | jelly | twobitsp1ite: if it is, and your nat machine doesn't know how to properly munge rsh packets, it won't work |
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| 17:47.44 | jeward | xand: I'm getting connection refused even with the firewall down on the netcat. Any ideas? I have 20G of data to copy. |
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| 17:48.08 | xand | jeward: copy how? |
| 17:48.14 | xand | lindenl1: what are you using to search with? |
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| 17:48.27 | jeward | xand: My hope was to tar it over netcat. |
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| 17:49.11 | xand | connection refused means that netcat is not running on that port |
| 17:49.22 | xand | if it were firewall, it would probably just time out |
| 17:49.29 | jeward | xand: nc -l 7000|tar xpf - |
| 17:49.34 | xand | you need -p |
| 17:49.38 | jeward | Ah! |
| 17:49.38 | twobitsp1ite | jelly: nope |
| 17:49.39 | xand | nc -l -p 7000 ... |
| 17:49.43 | twobitsp1ite | jelly: just switches |
| 17:49.54 | lindenl1 | xand: ldapsearch ;) |
| 17:50.17 | jelly | twobitsp1ite: it's not that, then :-) |
| 17:51.21 | jeward | tar -cf - * |nc kw100.internal.chinoc.net 7000 |
| 17:51.26 | jeward | Does that look right? |
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| 17:52.08 | twobitsp1ite | jelly: besides... the complaint is "cannot find route to host"... |
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| 17:52.32 | twobitsp1ite | jelly: sounds strange, I would think that rsh would use that same mechanism to find a route as any other tcp system, like ssh... |
| 17:52.35 | jeward | xand: It just hangs now, but when I kill the tar, the netcat on the other end stops as well. |
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| 17:53.08 | jelly | twobitsp1ite: dunno, tcpdump it and see what it actually tries to reach? |
| 17:53.10 | jetscreamer | HEY! has anybody noticed, if you put values for xhrefresh and xvrefresh in the boot options (grub/lilo) that the console detects the screen better while booting? it's true. |
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| 17:54.08 | antgel | interesting |
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| 17:54.15 | jelly | jeward: looks a-ok. I usually add a -w1 to nc on the sender side |
| 17:54.39 | jeward | jelly: I'll try that, so far, n ot luck. |
| 17:54.46 | jetscreamer | least on this thinkpad it's very true |
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| 17:55.39 | jelly | jeward: what are you running on the listener side (I missed it)? any local iptables rules? |
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| 17:56.00 | jeward | jelly: I've dropped the firewalls on both sides to get that out of the way. |
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| 17:56.10 | jeward | nc -w11 -s 10.10.10.23 -l -p 7000|tar xpf - |
| 17:56.19 | jelly | jeward: anything much different than nc -lp 7000 | tar xf - ? |
| 17:56.22 | jelly | ah |
| 17:56.33 | jeward | tar -cf - * |nc 10.10.10.23 -w11 7000 |
| 17:56.43 | jeward | jelly: There's two nics. |
| 17:56.54 | jelly | jeward: drop the -s ..., make it listen everywhere ;-) |
| 17:57.01 | jeward | Okay, trying that. |
| 17:57.24 | jeward | jelly: Just hangs. :-( |
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| 17:57.35 | jelly | jeward: what hangs? |
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| 17:57.45 | jeward | jeward@kw157:~$ tar -cf - * |nc 10.10.10.23 -w11 7000 |
| 17:58.20 | jelly | jeward: try this: on listener, just nc -l -p 7000. on sender, telnet 10.10.10.23 7000 |
| 17:58.23 | jeward | jelly: What can be the problem? |
| 17:58.31 | jeward | Okay. |
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| 17:59.01 | rapha | Hi all! |
| 17:59.01 | jeward | Connected... |
| 17:59.13 | jelly | jeward: type some stuff in, see if it appears |
| 17:59.18 | jeward | Carroage returns are going through. |
| 17:59.28 | jeward | Characters too. |
| 17:59.36 | jeward | ??? |
| 17:59.37 | rapha | Unfortunately I have to run MySQL networked, so that port 3306 is open... is there a way under Debian to not permit connections from anywhere but localhost? |
| 17:59.38 | jelly | great, so you have connectivity. quit the sender. |
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| 18:00.26 | jeward | jelly: tar just sits there!? |
| 18:00.26 | jetscreamer | !find 915resol |
| 18:00.33 | dpkg | Debian Search of '915resol' (1): (/usr/sbin/915resolution, /etc/init.d/915resolution, /etc/default/915resolution) in x11/915resolution. |
| 18:00.48 | jelly | jeward: first start the listener, with nc -lp 7000 | tar xpfv - Then start the sender, with tar cf - ... | nc -w1 10.10.10.23 7000 |
| 18:01.19 | jeward | root@kw100:/tmp$ nc -l -p 7000|tar xpf - |
| 18:01.24 | jeward | jeward@kw157:~$ tar -cf - * |nc 10.10.10.23 -w1 7000 |
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| 18:01.29 | jeward | Just sistes there. |
| 18:01.32 | jeward | Sits. |
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| 18:02.29 | jeward | Tried again moving the -w1 in front of the ip address. |
| 18:02.30 | jelly | jeward: are they on the same network segment? |
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| 18:02.37 | jeward | jelly: Yes. |
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| 18:02.53 | jeward | jelly: I believe so. |
| 18:03.08 | jelly | jeward: do both relevant interfaces have the same mtu? |
| 18:03.13 | jeward | traceroute to 10.10.10.23 (10.10.10.23), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets |
| 18:03.13 | jeward | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.32 | jeward | jelly: How can the telnet work and not the tar!? |
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| 18:03.36 | jeward | I'm confused. |
| 18:04.49 | jeward | jelly: Oooh, works as root on both ends! |
| 18:05.27 | jeward | I thought? |
| 18:05.59 | jeward | Yes, definitely works as root on both ends! Thanks! |
| 18:06.07 | jelly | jeward: it's kind of weird. I usually add v to the tar options to see the files scroll nicely. |
| 18:06.50 | jeward | jelly: I'm copying a little more data before starting the 20G MySQL database. |
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| 18:07.03 | jeward | jelly: Just to make sure this is going to work. |
| 18:07.10 | inaety | what is the first disc gonna give me? |
| 18:07.22 | jelly | jeward: if it breaks near the end, better to rsync it than copy it all over |
| 18:07.23 | jeward | Yep, was able to copy a 4M movie and other files. |
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| 18:07.38 | jelly | *again |
| 18:07.40 | jeward | Shouldn't break once I get it going. |
| 18:07.53 | jeward | Thanks again! |
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| 18:08.03 | jeward | What would the rsync look like, just in case? |
| 18:08.15 | E-bola | both aptitude and apt-get segfault on this 1 system |
| 18:08.17 | E-bola | what can be wrong? |
| 18:08.22 | E-bola | the rest of the system is running fine |
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| 18:08.51 | jelly | jeward: root@kw100:/tmp$ rsync -Pa stuff user@10.10.10.23: |
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| 18:09.04 | nslater | Are there any Debian developers about? |
| 18:09.06 | jelly | jeward: add -z to the mix for compression |
| 18:09.06 | jeward | jelly: Can't use it over netcat? |
| 18:09.23 | fungo | hi, i'm looking for a program to do cpu frequency scaling, any suggestions? |
| 18:09.30 | hark | E-bola: try removing /var/cache/apt/*.bin and run update again |
| 18:09.46 | jelly | jeward: rsync uses ssh or its own daemon (if it's enabled and configured) |
| 18:09.48 | azeem | nslater: just ask your question |
| 18:09.55 | fungo | i've been told that linux kernel can do it by itself, i just don't know how to active this |
| 18:10.01 | jeward | jelly: Okay, hopefully it'll just work. |
| 18:10.07 | jeward | Thanks so much! |
| 18:10.14 | jelly | np |
| 18:10.26 | nslater | azeem, when running pbuilder with cowdancer why does it ask me for my password for sudo instead of using fakeroot? |
| 18:10.30 | E-bola | ahh that fixed it hark |
| 18:10.40 | E-bola | what could have made those files corrupt? |
| 18:10.52 | azeem | nslater: ask the channel, not individuals |
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| 18:11.00 | azeem | nslater: how is your question restricted to Debian Developers? |
| 18:11.23 | hark | fungo: what processor? |
| 18:11.24 | nslater | pdebuilder is a Debian developer tool, and I am being mentored to be a Debian developer. |
| 18:11.33 | fungo | hark atlhon 64 x2 |
| 18:11.40 | nslater | I doubt any non-developers would have used it TBH. |
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| 18:14.21 | yoge | Hi, what's the simpliest way to set an splash image at boot? (using debian lenny and kernel 2.6.16-1-686) |
| 18:14.37 | jetscreamer | apt-get instal usplash probably |
| 18:14.40 | jetscreamer | ll |
| 18:14.53 | jetscreamer | no you're not |
| 18:14.57 | jetscreamer | 2.6.16? |
| 18:14.58 | hark | fungo: does modprobe powernow-k8 work (not sure if this is the right one) ? |
| 18:15.23 | fungo | 5arshenar:/home/cagenecy# modprobe -v powernow-k8 |
| 18:15.23 | fungo | insmod /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/cpufreq/freq_table.ko |
| 18:15.23 | fungo | insmod /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-amd64/kernel/arch/x86_64/kernel/cpufreq/powernow-k8.ko |
| 18:15.31 | jetscreamer | !tell fungo -about paste |
| 18:15.41 | fungo | jetscreamer it's less than 3 lines |
| 18:15.48 | fungo | less and equal :P |
| 18:15.51 | jetscreamer | no it's not... ah |
| 18:16.08 | jetscreamer | <= |
| 18:16.23 | hark | fungo: then check with cpufreq-info |
| 18:16.36 | fungo | i don't have that program |
| 18:17.06 | hark | it's part of cpufrequtils.. not necessary though |
| 18:17.31 | azeem | nslater: you're not a Debian Developer apparently, and using pbuilder. What makes you think every other pbuilder user besides you is a DD? |
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| 18:17.54 | azeem | nslater: just pointing out that you should uneccesarily restrict your audience |
| 18:17.58 | azeem | +not |
| 18:18.00 | tarzeau | nslater: i use it as well |
| 18:18.23 | hark | you could just do a modprobe cpufreq_ondemand and manually do an echo to the scaling_governor etc o use something like cpufreqd/powersavd |
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| 18:19.31 | stew | nslater: cowbuilder needs root access to chroot |
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| 18:20.41 | fungo | awesome, just works |
| 18:21.01 | fungo | how could i enable that on boot? |
| 18:21.23 | hark | /etc/modules |
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| 18:22.39 | nslater | azeem, point taken. |
| 18:23.04 | nslater | stew, just popped onto debian-mentors and found I need to add cowbuilder to the sudoers. Thanks! |
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| 18:23.27 | jetscreamer | add that name to /etc/modules he meant |
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| 18:25.55 | cottima | i have downloaded skolelinux dvd and do not have a dvd-rom drive on a server. How could I install it from one machine to another? with the kde netinstall? |
| 18:26.24 | Penggu | hi all. ive just to netboot happening... it's stuck at retrieveing partman-basicfilesystems .. does this part normally take longer? |
| 18:26.42 | Penggu | at 66% for the past... 5-10minuyes |
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| 18:27.42 | Jean11 | jetscreamer: Thanks for the reply on #nvidia. I actually tried to take out the two nvidia and put two ati instead more and more and more problems, Do you know what graphic cards are best to do a tri-head setup |
| 18:28.10 | jetscreamer | ati is worse than nvidia under linux afaict .. no idea firsthand though |
| 18:28.28 | jetscreamer | you might try matrox like that guy said but i have no idea |
| 18:28.39 | hark | cottima: try #skolelinux |
| 18:28.43 | jetscreamer | i can do dual head |
| 18:28.47 | jetscreamer | never tried tri |
| 18:28.52 | jetscreamer | (i should) |
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| 18:29.36 | jetscreamer | you can install stuff with an iso on an hd |
| 18:29.39 | Jean11 | well xingu yesterday said that the problems are the 7300 themselves. Do you know of any better nvidia |
| 18:29.41 | jetscreamer | s/with/from/ |
| 18:30.14 | jetscreamer | i have a 6600 so not really.... |
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| 18:30.37 | jetscreamer | Jean11: the ones in #nvidia you want to see your questions are primer and aaronp ... and a copule others but i forget who |
| 18:31.01 | Jean11 | jetscreamer: thanks for all the help .. |
| 18:31.48 | fungo | what is the difference between what /sys show and what sysctl show? |
| 18:31.52 | jetscreamer | ISUCK! I FAILED! |
| 18:31.57 | gan | hi all:i am having inbuild bluetooth..through hcitool or btscanner bluetooth devices are detecting but for gnome-bluetooth ..it is giving warning about GTK |
| 18:31.58 | jetscreamer | :/ |
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| 18:33.00 | Jean11 | jetscreamer: this is waht I got .. Primer hides |
| 18:33.01 | stew | gan: did you check the bts yet? |
| 18:33.03 | jelly-home | fungo: sysctl works with stuff exposed in /proc/sys, not /sys |
| 18:33.05 | Jean11 | ;) |
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| 18:34.40 | gan | stew:i am not getting how get help through bts |
| 18:35.56 | stew | gan: iirc you were getting a python error with some package you installed? you should be checking the bts to see if the problem has already been reported and if there is a solution available. if not, report the bug: /msg dpkg reportbug |
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| 18:40.03 | krekon | what value has to have APP_CHARSET_MAP in order to have english in console. I have tried to fix it via dpkg-reconfigure but nothing. Would you check the value in /etc/console-tools/config. |
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| 18:53.17 | guhnoo | hello, i was wondering, is the new debian installer user friendly, that it can be installed by users new to linux, or had a new users better get himself something else (besides ubuntu) ? |
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| 18:53.43 | jetscreamer | debian is easy enough, stable version |
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| 18:54.05 | jetscreamer | usually the same problems you might have in ubuntu you would maybe have in debian |
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| 18:54.18 | jetscreamer | jsut debian is cleaner easier better stronger faster |
| 18:54.42 | jetscreamer | and you can rebuild him |
| 18:54.45 | guhnoo | hmm ok, and the unstable version? because it's a little more up2date, has it the same installer? |
| 18:54.55 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 18:55.08 | jetscreamer | if you are new, and want to run sid, run ubuntu. (imo) |
| 18:55.20 | jetscreamer | ubuntu is like usually around 2 minor versions behind sid |
| 18:55.35 | jetscreamer | and they'll hold your hand a lot... we just hold it a little |
| 18:55.41 | jetscreamer | for sid |
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| 18:55.47 | guhnoo | yes i know, i like the debian way better :) |
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| 18:55.57 | jetscreamer | try testing or stable |
| 18:56.04 | jetscreamer | testing if stable is too old for you |
| 18:56.16 | jetscreamer | it's not far behind sid |
| 18:56.33 | guhnoo | and i'm not a newb, i run gentoo and debian from minimal install cd, but i'm making a website for linux, and was wondering is debian with installer is ready for noobs |
| 18:57.03 | guhnoo | i'll put debian in the newbie list too then :) |
| 18:57.29 | JoshH | why does everyone care about noobs |
| 18:57.36 | jetscreamer | yeh .. put goodbye-windows.com too then for an installer.. it's not 'official' but it works very well |
| 18:57.36 | guhnoo | well |
| 18:57.37 | yangvnc | I have a PPPd problem on my PDA , it connects to the phone and disconnects after 60 seconds, and it never completes - http://paste.debian.net/33957 |
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| 18:57.44 | Ronin | pardon JoshH ? |
| 18:57.45 | JoshH | i used to install early versions of debian when i was a noob, and eventually i was no longer as much of a noob |
| 18:57.49 | jetscreamer | because n00bs are the lifeblood of the community |
| 18:57.49 | guhnoo | because it's a website with a big range (to-be) |
| 18:57.55 | jetscreamer | no noobs no userbase |
| 18:58.01 | jetscreamer | no userbase no distro |
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| 18:58.07 | abrotman | JoshH: uhm .. everyone has to start somewhere ? |
| 18:58.07 | guhnoo | yup |
| 18:58.10 | jetscreamer | or not much of on |
| 18:58.11 | jetscreamer | e |
| 18:58.26 | guhnoo | and a user-friendly distro lets people stick with linux |
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| 18:58.33 | guhnoo | if i'd started with gentoo... |
| 18:58.39 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 18:58.42 | fridge | Hello, is there a utility for cleaning up old .dpkg-new and .dpkg-old files that are left over from an upgrade? |
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| 18:58.52 | abrotman | fridge: man find |
| 18:58.53 | jetscreamer | i tried out rh gentoo and debian when i first started... here i am. |
| 18:58.54 | guhnoo | i would've now run vista, and you know the consequences... shakled by drm |
| 18:59.19 | guhnoo | :) |
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| 18:59.36 | JoshH | i've always just found the debian installer pretty easy |
| 18:59.46 | guhnoo | some people, unlike some of us (me included), don't want to know about computers, they want it to *just work* |
| 18:59.47 | JoshH | even when i was a noob |
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| 19:00.14 | jetscreamer | the city timezone thing in rh really pissed me off... now i see it in debian |
| 19:00.19 | jetscreamer | wtf |
| 19:00.32 | jetscreamer | like i know what tz some random city is in |
| 19:00.42 | jetscreamer | and the 4th largest in the us isn't listed |
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| 19:01.25 | CaBlGuY | ok, couple questions before I install... can I make Debian bulletproof and what Media does debian support.. IE Win32 codec type multimedia playing.. |
| 19:01.49 | jetscreamer | you have to do debian-marillat for some of those CaBlGuY |
| 19:01.56 | jetscreamer | !debian-multimedia |
| 19:01.56 | dpkg | [debian-multimedia] a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 19:02.00 | jetscreamer | err that rather |
| 19:02.02 | Thursley | shooting yourself in the head while wearing a kevlar vest? |
| 19:02.10 | Ronin | define bulletproof CaBlGuY |
| 19:02.11 | guhnoo | cableroy, you can do everything you like, you have to, however, do it yourself and configure it yourself |
| 19:02.37 | jetscreamer | yes debian has selinux support CaBlGuY |
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| 19:02.42 | jetscreamer | and other stuff |
| 19:02.47 | JoshH | this channel is much more noob friendly now than it was a few years ago |
| 19:02.49 | guhnoo | iptables |
| 19:02.53 | CaBlGuY | Ronin: secure.. unable to be penetrated through network.. etc.. |
| 19:02.54 | JoshH | i wonder what happened to the notorious mwilson |
| 19:03.12 | jetscreamer | he got banned and now hangs with greycat in #bash some |
| 19:03.15 | jetscreamer | !seen mwilson |
| 19:03.16 | guhnoo | uhm, i was wondering, how can i.... R T F M ! |
| 19:03.16 | dpkg | mwilson <i=8SaUcgh2@ip70-179-43-17.sd.sd.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 654d 21h 56m 52s ago, saying: 'liam: Why use nvagp over the kernel AGP driver?'. |
| 19:03.28 | victori | any decent gnome ftp client aside from gftp? |
| 19:03.37 | jetscreamer | i miss mwilson he added a touch of something that #debian does need, but maybe not in so much quantity |
| 19:03.48 | stew | !be mwilson barbie |
| 19:03.48 | dpkg | What in the world does that have to do with barbie? Other than nothing, of course. |
| 19:03.52 | JoshH | heh, i remember greycat too |
| 19:04.01 | Ronin | CaBlGuY: doubt you'll get any machine that in unable to be penetrated, it's a continuing battle |
| 19:04.04 | jetscreamer | sftp |
| 19:04.09 | CaBlGuY | well, I been on Fedora for a bit and I've also run Ubuntu for quiet some time just lookin for a little change |
| 19:04.20 | JoshH | he could be a dick sometimes but was usually helpful if the question was perfectly formed |
| 19:04.23 | guhnoo | JoshH, me 2! i believe he resides in bash mostly nowadays |
| 19:04.33 | CaBlGuY | Ronin: just lookin to get as secure as I can be.. |
| 19:04.39 | Penggu | how would apt compare to yum ? |
| 19:04.52 | CaBlGuY | I know I'm not gonna get 100% secure but close would be nice |
| 19:04.55 | guhnoo | JoshH, he told me to get laid :D |
| 19:05.04 | JoshH | always good advice |
| 19:05.11 | guhnoo | indeed :) |
| 19:05.12 | jetscreamer | nothing wrong with having consensual sex |
| 19:05.13 | CaBlGuY | Penggu: I like Apt-get a lot better.. |
| 19:05.18 | stew | CaBlGuY: /msg dpkg securing debian |
| 19:05.21 | dkr | CaBlGuY: "bulletproof" and "IE Win32 codec type multimedia playing" are two concepts that don't go well together. :) |
| 19:05.33 | jetscreamer | !w32codecs |
| 19:05.33 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a non-free package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
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| 19:06.18 | CaBlGuY | Mmmkay so, it's doable.. |
| 19:06.29 | CaBlGuY | Just like to ask before I dive in.. ;) |
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| 19:07.02 | CaBlGuY | whats the newest distro? |
| 19:07.17 | jetscreamer | distrowatch.com |
| 19:07.23 | jetscreamer | or do you mean flavor of debian |
| 19:07.25 | stew | CaBlGuY: what do you mean by "newest distro"? |
| 19:07.26 | guhnoo | apt-get dist-upgrade is the newest distro... |
| 19:07.30 | CaBlGuY | yea.. what version? |
| 19:07.32 | Ronin | CaBlGuY: stable=etch, testing=lennt, unstable=sid |
| 19:07.36 | jetscreamer | don't do sid yet |
| 19:07.43 | stew | CaBlGuY: 4.0 aka etch is the most recently released |
| 19:07.45 | jetscreamer | testing at the most till you get comfy |
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| 19:07.55 | CaBlGuY | ok.. yea stable is best.. ;) |
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| 19:08.00 | Ronin | is for me |
| 19:08.08 | stew | absolutely not testing, as he is asking about 'bulletproof' |
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| 19:08.17 | CaBlGuY | K thanks guys.. prolly bbl.. 0/ |
| 19:08.54 | CaBlGuY | Oh.. |
| 19:09.17 | CaBlGuY | ummm is Gnome defualt or will I have to opt to install it? |
| 19:09.45 | abrotman | you'll have to opt to intsalli t |
| 19:09.49 | abrotman | install it |
| 19:10.03 | pike_ | CaBlGuY: i believe gnome is the default for 'desktop' option during install |
| 19:10.23 | CaBlGuY | ok cool.. |
| 19:10.28 | CaBlGuY | thanks again.. |
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| 19:11.49 | jetscreamer | uh tasksel sucks |
| 19:12.00 | victori | is there any text editor like textmate for linux? something that can open a directory recursivly? |
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| 19:12.13 | jetscreamer | and 'desktop' does some gnome and some kde, last time i looked |
| 19:13.09 | abrotman | it does? |
| 19:14.20 | jetscreamer | yeh iirc |
| 19:14.31 | jetscreamer | i haven't allowed tasksel in a while though |
| 19:14.33 | abrotman | jetscreamer: not on this box .. tasksel --task-packages desktop && apt-cache show desktop-base |
| 19:14.55 | jetscreamer | mmhh |
| 19:14.57 | abrotman | i would imagine it would satisfy the first depends .. which is gnome |
| 19:15.08 | abrotman | erm .. wait .. tha'ts a suggests |
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| 19:15.47 | jetscreamer | i really don't like it's selections... i did use the laptop one the other day though |
| 19:15.47 | wastr2 | my speakers don't seem to cooperating |
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| 19:15.54 | wastr2 | can anyone help me diagnose? |
| 19:15.58 | jean__wlu | nvidia |
| 19:16.15 | wastr2 | (laptop speakers) |
| 19:16.15 | jean__wlu | I am now on the machine with xchat |
| 19:17.27 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 19:17.27 | dpkg | it has been said that alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 19:17.38 | stew | abrotman: heh, desktop installs twm though!? |
| 19:18.01 | abrotman | stew: yeah ..what's up with that... |
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| 19:18.26 | stew | dunno |
| 19:18.28 | abrotman | stew: maybe someday it will default to tritium! |
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| 19:18.34 | stew | not likely |
| 19:18.38 | abrotman | heh |
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| 19:18.45 | abrotman | !tell jatos about root |
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| 19:19.13 | stew | tritium now has a second full time user! |
| 19:19.18 | abrotman | rcox? |
| 19:19.19 | abrotman | :) |
| 19:19.21 | stew | yes :) |
| 19:19.27 | jetscreamer | the xorg metapackage used to depend on twm |
| 19:19.37 | abrotman | stew: voluntarily? |
| 19:19.37 | jetscreamer | it doesn't seem to anymore |
| 19:19.38 | wastr2 | abrotman: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp says device busy |
| 19:19.56 | abrotman | wastr2: so find out what is using .. are you using gnome? kde? is esd or arts running ? |
| 19:20.00 | stew | abrotman: sorta, she was planning to, then i dist-upgraded her machine and broke ion3, which forced the issue |
| 19:20.09 | wastr2 | gnome |
| 19:20.16 | abrotman | stew: do you always break something when you dist-upgrade that laptop ? |
| 19:20.24 | stew | abrotman: so now i'm being forced to fix a bunch of bugs i was doing a good job at ignoring |
| 19:20.24 | abrotman | wastr2: make sure esd/esound isn't running |
| 19:20.25 | wastr2 | esd is running |
| 19:20.28 | abrotman | kill it |
| 19:20.43 | abrotman | stew: i suppose that's a good thing .. what happened to the help you were going to get with writing it ? |
| 19:21.02 | wastr2 | esd is running twice |
| 19:21.07 | abrotman | so kill it |
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| 19:21.29 | stew | abrotman: it was when the last version of ion3 wasn't letter her watch mlb.tv that she really had to switch. you know, priorities... |
| 19:21.38 | wastr2 | killed |
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| 19:21.56 | abrotman | stew: well .. that is a pretty important thing .. i wonder why ion3 wouldn't work with it though |
| 19:22.04 | abrotman | jatos: much better |
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| 19:22.14 | wastr2 | hm |
| 19:22.19 | wastr2 | still nothing |
| 19:22.22 | wastr2 | let me try my sound card |
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| 19:22.33 | abrotman | wastr2: you might have to run alsaconf again |
| 19:22.33 | stew | abrotman: dunno |
| 19:22.40 | jatos | hi |
| 19:22.42 | abrotman | stew: and likely .. you just don't care :) |
| 19:23.02 | stew | abrotman: quite. |
| 19:23.33 | abrotman | jatos: in the channel |
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| 19:24.26 | jatos | anyone here know how to sort this problem: filled my HD using DD, as I was taking a image of disk but I took an image of the wrong disk |
| 19:24.39 | wastr2 | abrotman: wheres alsaconf |
| 19:24.41 | jatos | and now even though I deleted the image, the hard drive is 100% full |
| 19:24.53 | jatos | ok abrotman |
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| 19:25.27 | jetscreamer | try sync maybe jatos |
| 19:25.29 | wastr2 | is the dd process dead? |
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| 19:25.40 | jatos | I rebooted since I ran DD, so yes |
| 19:25.45 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 19:25.58 | jetscreamer | /tmp ? |
| 19:26.06 | jatos | in fact, I now booted into a different Linux installation, because the one I fille the HD on is pretty unusuable |
| 19:26.38 | jatos | the files remaining don't fill it, I check that, however its hasn't update the free space |
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| 19:27.02 | jatos | Google revealed is was a common problem when the HDD becomes 100% full ,but it didn't tell how to fix the problem |
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| 19:28.53 | jelly-home | yeargh. a dist-upgrade: "After unpacking 444MB will be used." |
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| 19:29.54 | stew | jelly-home: bah, "Need to get 1109MB/1112MB of archives. After unpacking 748MB will be used." |
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| 19:32.46 | jelly-home | stew: you ought to use stable, instead ;-) |
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| 19:33.10 | stew | jelly-home: lolz, stable iz old |
| 19:33.47 | jelly-home | with his beady eyes, /me spots... yet another TeX rebase! |
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| 19:34.15 | sdiz | jatos: did you try to umount it and fsck ? |
| 19:34.42 | _DunK_ | I can't get my xmodmap bindings working in my .xsession file - am I missing something? |
| 19:34.52 | jelly-home | stew: u suk stable rulz lolol |
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| 19:35.02 | simonrvn | abrotman: pong |
| 19:35.16 | abrotman | simonrvn: way late! |
| 19:35.58 | simonrvn | hey RL man |
| 19:36.12 | abrotman | hehe |
| 19:36.13 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: texlive is where upstream development is taking place |
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| 19:36.18 | jatos | I've tryed fsck |
| 19:36.19 | simonrvn | :) |
| 19:36.38 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: latex is the addon to tex, texlive is the actual implementation |
| 19:36.41 | jatos | I did hear something about a --rebuild-tree option, but fsck doesn't recognise it |
| 19:37.02 | guhnoo | it's pretty dangerous |
| 19:37.07 | guhnoo | maybe first use dd |
| 19:37.13 | guhnoo | then --rebuilld-tree |
| 19:37.24 | \amethyst | jelly-home: the reason for the change from tetex to texlive is that the latter is much more modular |
| 19:37.26 | _DunK_ | is there another way besides xmodmap to get Alt Gr operating as MOD3 ? |
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| 19:38.04 | jelly-home | \amethyst: you can that is if it were a good thing! :-> |
| 19:38.25 | \amethyst | jelly-home: it makes for a lot less work for the maintainers, I imagine |
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| 19:38.55 | \amethyst | jelly-home: I install the full texlive distribution, so I don't directly benefit from modularity :) |
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| 19:39.29 | simonrvn | jelly-home: for sure... |
| 19:39.59 | simonrvn | "basic" install of the texlive stuff will soak up half of a 4 GB drive .... |
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| 19:40.13 | sdiz | jatos: try something like `e2fsck -f -D /dev/xxxx` ? |
| 19:40.32 | jelly-home | time to hunt the reverse dependencies |
| 19:41.15 | logd | hi, here i'm: i boot my system from usb hard disk but sometimes it is mounted as /sda instead of sdb so i thought this: /dev/sda1 / ext3 defaults,errors=continue 0 1 --- /dev/sdb1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 --- will it mount it correctly whether is sda or sdb with these strings ? |
| 19:41.45 | jelly-home | logd: try using LABEL= or UUID= instead, if your device moves around |
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| 19:42.18 | jatos | trying it.. |
| 19:43.01 | sdiz | jatos: you are using ext2 / ext3, right ? |
| 19:43.07 | logd | jelly-home> ;) it doesn't moves but often the memory card reader buil-in in my printer is lazy and loads just after usb hdd turns on :P |
| 19:43.35 | jatos | ext3 |
| 19:43.50 | jatos | its doing it now |
| 19:44.05 | sdiz | good |
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| 19:44.14 | jatos | its now at pass2, checking directory structure |
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| 19:45.53 | logd | <jelly-home>how do i give a label to a partition? |
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| 19:46.11 | stew | logd: with e2label |
| 19:46.40 | jatos | its still registering as 0 bytes |
| 19:46.47 | jatos | though it did change the FS |
| 19:46.52 | E-bola | Do anybody run exim under debian? I am trying to get callout working for recepient verifying, so my gateway wont accept mail destinned for none existing users |
| 19:46.53 | logd | thx stew |
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| 19:47.01 | \amethyst | logd: what filesystem is it? |
| 19:47.07 | logd | ext3 |
| 19:47.19 | \amethyst | yeah, e2label then |
| 19:47.35 | enouf | logd: do this udevinfo -q all -p /sys/block/sda/sda1 |
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| 19:47.39 | sdiz | hm. |
| 19:47.58 | jatos | as I say, the HDD was 100% filled up |
| 19:47.58 | logd | <enouf> what that does? |
| 19:48.09 | enouf | queries for info |
| 19:48.19 | sdiz | did you look into /lost+found directory? ... maybe you have some leftover files there... |
| 19:48.26 | jatos | tryed already |
| 19:48.26 | logd | says no record |
| 19:48.42 | CAiRO_ | when i get messages like "glibc detected *** malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0x0814d518 *** ", does that mean the system memory is damaged? |
| 19:48.43 | \amethyst | logd: is it sda or sdb at the moment? |
| 19:48.59 | jelly-home | CAiRO_: nope, just that the application is buggy. |
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| 19:49.07 | sdiz | hidden files ? did you try `ls -a` too ? |
| 19:49.10 | logd | sdb but i given sdb to the command |
| 19:49.20 | \amethyst | logd: so /sys/block/sdb/sdb1 ? |
| 19:49.25 | logd | yes |
| 19:49.34 | CAiRO_ | jelly-home: hmm, how would i find out which one? |
| 19:50.00 | jelly-home | CAiRO_: the one which dumped that message? |
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| 19:50.17 | logd | btw now that i've been gining a label to the partition i can change /dev/sdX to [label] in fstab? |
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| 19:50.20 | enouf | logd: should've worked .. does lshal | grep block.device list all disks and partitions? |
| 19:50.31 | CAiRO_ | jelly-home: yeah, which one is it? i pasted the whole line from user.log, it doesn't mention any application, does it? |
| 19:50.36 | logd | <enouf>yes |
| 19:50.42 | jatos | comes up with nothing special |
| 19:50.46 | jelly-home | logd: yes, use LABEL=whatever instead of /dev/sdaX |
| 19:51.15 | logd | ok just a question : if somethig goes wrong and i can't boot then how do i recover ? |
| 19:51.18 | enouf | logd: ls /dev/disk/* should have a symlink to your partitions as well, and show a name, uuid, etc |
| 19:51.21 | sdiz | no other idea. |
| 19:51.30 | jatos | dang |
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| 19:51.35 | sdiz | try something `find . -size +10M' ? it list all files > 10m |
| 19:51.47 | jelly-home | CAiRO_: that doesn't look like the whole line, no timestamp and stuff |
| 19:52.02 | enouf | logd: thought maybe it was already labeled is all , uuids should be there for ext3 already, nm |
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| 19:52.31 | CAiRO_ | jelly-home: yes, except for the timestamp, "Aug 3 09:28:17 vedron *** glibc detected *** malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0x0814d518 ***" is the whole line, but i doubt the timestamp and server name make much of a difference |
| 19:52.35 | logd | <enouf>yeah i mean: if i do reboot now and eventually it hangs there's a qway to reset fstab ? |
| 19:52.51 | jatos | AHA! |
| 19:52.57 | jatos | its found something |
| 19:53.09 | enouf | logd: though the label in by-label might not appear "nice", you might need to also tweak your udev rules, /etc/udev/* , and /etc/udev/rules.d/* |
| 19:53.46 | enouf | logd: it depends what you altered and how |
| 19:54.01 | jelly-home | CAiRO_: dunno, decent apps introduce themselves when using syslog: Jul 28 01:08:14 kanta-linux hpiod: 1.6.10 accepting connections at 2208... |
| 19:54.01 | enouf | er in what way |
| 19:54.28 | jatos | that seems to have sorted it |
| 19:54.40 | logd | btw in on my way to try with these: LABEL=DEBIAN / ext3 defaults,errors=continue 0 1 |
| 19:54.40 | logd | /dev/sdb1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 --- in theory if label goes wrong mount as sdb should save me :P |
| 19:55.01 | jatos | yep, its sorted now |
| 19:55.05 | jatos | thanks for the help |
| 19:55.10 | jelly-home | enouf: that sounds awfully complicated |
| 19:55.16 | CAiRO_ | jelly-home: yeah, but that would mean that the app which introduced itself is the cause, even if the memory corruption message appear as next |
| 19:55.20 | sdiz | =) |
| 19:55.36 | jatos | I know over 13gb free! |
| 19:55.44 | CAiRO_ | and apart from that the corruption could be cause by something that only happens after 3 days of runtime or whatever |
| 19:55.46 | jatos | *now have have over 13gb free |
| 19:56.02 | jelly-home | CAiRO_: yes. I'm not sure you'd get an extra timestamp in that case, tho |
| 19:56.19 | enouf | logd: ignore most of my ramblings, since you have an entry in fstab, you (likely) shouldn't need to mess with udev rules |
| 19:56.58 | enouf | logd: most times external devices are removed/added at random times, so .. nevermind for now |
| 19:57.06 | jatos | anyway I going to head now |
| 19:57.14 | jatos | bye |
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| 20:07.02 | dogwater | is there a way to configure apt? or do you have to manually modify sources.list |
| 20:07.03 | dogwater | ? |
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| 20:07.41 | stew | dogwater: there is netselect-apt or apt-spy to select mirrors based on speed, but otherwise you edit it manually |
| 20:08.16 | streuner | if you aren't able to modify sources.list you shouldn't run Debian |
| 20:08.25 | stew | bah |
| 20:08.31 | level1 | Hi, how do I search for "R" in the repositories? The problem is that every program and its mother has an R in it, so I can't really find *the* R. Does it go by another name? |
| 20:08.47 | dondelelcaro | level1: you want r-base |
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| 20:09.06 | jZed_ | I'm on Etch, looking to buy an all-in-one printer/scanner, thinking of one of the HP wifi models, any tips on which will be most debian-friendly? (I've googled but get mixed answers) |
| 20:09.08 | level1 | thanks |
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| 20:09.20 | streuner | jZed_: bad idea |
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| 20:09.34 | dondelelcaro | level1: most of the R related packges you can find with apt-cache search '^r- |
| 20:09.36 | streuner | jZed_: most headaches comes with that in Linux |
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| 20:09.49 | jZed_ | which part is bad? HP? wifi? scanner? |
| 20:09.54 | dondelelcaro | level1: err, apt-cache search '^r-'; of source. |
| 20:09.55 | streuner | jZed_: look at linuxprinting.org first... |
| 20:10.18 | streuner | jZed_: if the device is supported or not |
| 20:10.35 | jZed_ | yeah, I've looked at linuxprinting.org |
| 20:10.44 | streuner | http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting |
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| 20:10.58 | level1 | dondelelcaro: wow, you can use regular expressions in apt-cache searches? is it the same syntax as perl? |
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| 20:11.35 | dondelelcaro | level1: sort of; it's probably fairly limited |
| 20:12.36 | dogwater | anyone off hand know the command to rebuild the apt-cache from a mirror so i can install ssh on this box? |
| 20:12.38 | level1 | I'm trying to install a package for R, and during the configure stage it says "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" |
| 20:12.46 | level1 | do I have to be root or something? |
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| 20:13.32 | Gnea | dogwater: apt-get update |
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| 20:14.19 | level1 | gcc can create executables right? |
| 20:14.36 | dogwater | Gnea: Yeah, I did that. unfortunately I had to install etch off of a cd from 3ware's website and i'm just having funky problems getting apt to work right. |
| 20:14.57 | zinx | level1: first thing's first.. is the package packaged for debian? |
| 20:15.09 | zinx | (in which case you will not need to compile it) |
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| 20:15.22 | level1 | zinx: i doubt it, but I'll look, hold on |
| 20:15.30 | Gnea | dogwater: what's the error message? can you pastebin it? |
| 20:15.49 | dogwater | Gnea: its not really an error, its something to do with the way the sources.list is setup, i'll keep hammering at it |
| 20:16.03 | Gnea | dogwater: can you pastebin it? |
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| 20:17.46 | level1 | zinx: I can't find it |
| 20:18.28 | abrotman | level1: aptitude install build-essential |
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| 20:18.44 | trudim | i have a colocated sarge server that has ben stable for a long time, i am having what i think is an out of memory error, and i have been thinking of upgrading to etch, how is the dist-upgrade working? |
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| 20:19.14 | infernix | how can I add zero bytes to a file of, say, 2000 bytes, so that 2500 bytes (zeroes) will be appended to it? |
| 20:19.16 | infernix | i'm guessing dd? |
| 20:19.21 | level1 | abrotman: still didn't work |
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| 20:20.03 | Gnea | nvidia-legacy, what is nvidia-legacy? |
| 20:20.11 | sohmestra | where can I find an installation CD for sarge (old stable)? |
| 20:20.13 | stew | trudim: /msg dpkg sarge->etch ; generally ok, but if you are also upgrading from linux 2.4 to 2.6 at the same times there can be some gotchas |
| 20:20.20 | abrotman | infernix: create a 500 byte zero filled file .. and append it ? |
| 20:20.29 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: it's probably nvidia-kernel-legacy |
| 20:21.05 | infernix | abrotman: yeah but that'd create a temp file. it'll work though i guess |
| 20:21.20 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: danke |
| 20:21.24 | level1 | infernix: what is it your trying to do? |
| 20:21.49 | infernix | blah.txt is 2000 bytes; i need to append exactly, say 2413 bytes to it |
| 20:21.57 | infernix | from /dev/zero preferably |
| 20:22.04 | dondelelcaro | infernix: so use dd |
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| 20:22.19 | stew | infernix: dd if=/dev/zero bs=1 count=2413 >> file |
| 20:22.34 | infernix | and use a block size of 1 byte? that'd be slow. im actually appending about 6gb |
| 20:22.35 | zinx | level1: installing build-essential will give you most stuff - some packages also require various -dev packages and some alse require flex, bison, automake/autoconf, etc etc |
| 20:22.39 | TrueDD | Salut tous |
| 20:22.41 | jZed_ | perl -e "open(I,'>>','somefile) or die $!; print '0' for (0..2500)" |
| 20:22.49 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 20:22.53 | dondelelcaro | infernix: then adjust things accordingly. |
| 20:23.06 | dondelelcaro | infernix: is there any reason why you need to append from /dev/zero instead of making a sparse file, though? |
| 20:23.13 | infernix | sparse is better, yes |
| 20:23.14 | mavhc | on a related note, how can I create a 3GB file? |
| 20:23.20 | dondelelcaro | infernix: so use skip |
| 20:23.30 | dondelelcaro | mavhc: sparse or normal? |
| 20:23.30 | trudim | stew: i am running 2.6.8-2, i have no access to this server and there are live websites and a qmail installation, so i would like to prepare myself |
| 20:23.34 | infernix | mhm |
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| 20:24.03 | infernix | dd if=blah.txt of=blahlarger.txt skip=2513 bs=1? |
| 20:24.14 | dondelelcaro | infernix: something like dd if=/dev/zero bs=1024 count=0 skip=100K of=file oflag=append; or whatever. |
| 20:24.15 | stew | trudim: it should generally be ok, but it is strongly recommended that you follow the upgrade procedure in the release notes, not just dist-upgrade |
| 20:24.26 | infernix | mhm. i'll test a bit. |
| 20:24.33 | trudim | is there some way to duplicate my sarge server to a local machine and try the upgrade there? |
| 20:24.42 | dondelelcaro | mavhc: see the above example; man dd; for details on what it's doing. |
| 20:24.43 | stew | sparse files confuse me |
| 20:24.45 | level1 | zinx: okay, I have build essential, flex bison, automake and autoconf. The tutorial only mentions R >2.x and Java >1.5, which I have |
| 20:25.05 | level1 | zinx: and the configure script keeps failing at this one stage |
| 20:25.19 | trudim | stew: thanks for the help, i will read the release notes |
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| 20:25.27 | mavhc | normal I suppose, I ended up using dd, but it was over the network, so it was slow |
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| 20:25.35 | level1 | zinx: can't I just tell configure to pretend that the C compiler makes executables? I mean, what kind of useless C compiler can't? |
| 20:25.47 | dondelelcaro | mavhc: what was the network filesystem? |
| 20:25.59 | dondelelcaro | (creating huge sparse files is almost instantaneous) |
| 20:26.15 | dondelelcaro | unless it's a filesystem that doesn't understand them |
| 20:26.31 | mavhc | samba to ntfs |
| 20:26.43 | dondelelcaro | I don't think ntfs or samba handle sparse files |
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| 20:27.18 | stew | dondelelcaro: wikipedia thinks ntfs does |
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| 20:27.31 | jZed_ | the problem with linuxprinting.org is that the models listed are not the ones being sold in the stores |
| 20:27.41 | mavhc | ntfs does loads of stuff that's not exposed by the GUI |
| 20:28.04 | dondelelcaro | stew: could be |
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| 20:28.32 | streuner | use groups.google.com then |
| 20:28.40 | k0rso | hey what command displays the character positionand the line number of the first difference between two compared files |
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| 20:28.49 | stew | dondelelcaro: yeah, 'fsutil sparse 1000 filename' apparantly |
| 20:28.51 | k0rso | position and* |
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| 20:29.08 | dondelelcaro | k0rso: diff? |
| 20:29.10 | stew | err 'fsutil sparse length 1000 filename' |
| 20:29.16 | k0rso | DIFF! thats it |
| 20:29.21 | k0rso | gosh that had me for a long time! |
| 20:29.27 | k0rso | thanks :D |
| 20:29.31 | stoned | good evening |
| 20:29.32 | dondelelcaro | doesn't do the character posistion, but it tells you which lines differ |
| 20:29.37 | stoned | hi stew |
| 20:29.43 | stew | happy friday |
| 20:29.45 | stoned | mr don |
| 20:29.49 | dondelelcaro | (if you want character position, try wdiff, though it's slightly different) |
| 20:30.25 | stoned | stew: i might go bug rahul tonigh |
| 20:30.37 | k0rso | ok one last thing im having trouble with. what is the command that is used to format output, and it prints the specified files to standard output in a paginated form? |
| 20:30.40 | stoned | i like manhattan, its cool man |
| 20:30.48 | k0rso | i know theres one out there somewhere but i cant remember what it si |
| 20:30.50 | stoned | always busy |
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| 20:31.29 | k0rso | anyone? |
| 20:31.39 | stew | k0rso: fmt |
| 20:32.07 | k0rso | thx lemme try |
| 20:32.22 | jZed_ | of the 6 HP printers at Office Depot, only 1 is even listed on openprinting.org |
| 20:32.42 | k0rso | ok that's workin! thanks. but about my question earlier the diff command isnt working as i need. |
| 20:33.00 | trudim | is there a way to duplicate the configuration of a remote debian server to a local server? |
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| 20:33.13 | k0rso | let me reword - is there a command that locates identical lines in two identical sorted files? |
| 20:33.29 | k0rso | If so, what's the syntax. |
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| 20:33.50 | abrotman | trudim: files or config ? |
| 20:33.56 | abrotman | erm .. packages or config |
| 20:34.08 | trudim | abrotman: the entire server, so i can test it |
| 20:34.39 | trudim | abrotman: so i can test the upgrade from sarge to etch before i do the live server |
| 20:34.48 | abrotman | trudim: there are ways to make images of a system |
| 20:35.05 | helo | on this toshiba laptop i keep getting "APIC error on CPU0: 40(40)" |
| 20:35.10 | helo | as well as CPU1 |
| 20:35.24 | subx | ive just installed imagemagick but i cannot find the location of the binary. i tried, updatedb, locate imagemagick but it doesnt list any binary files |
| 20:35.45 | trudim | abrotman: the server is colocated in texas, i am in florida, i would like to do a test run before i upgrade the real server |
| 20:35.54 | abrotman | trudim: where's the fun in that? |
| 20:36.01 | trudim | abrotman: :-) |
| 20:36.29 | abrotman | trudim: the package list is easy .. and using /etc/ and bits from /var/ should be enough to get a good approximation of the config |
| 20:36.33 | valdyn | subx: 'dpkg -L imagemagick | grep bin' |
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| 20:37.00 | jebs | how do i tell grub to boot my kernel without acpi? |
| 20:37.01 | asarch | Hi everyone, how is it getting along? |
| 20:37.04 | trudim | abrotman: i can schedule some downtime on sat or sun without too much pain, but a failed upgrade that leaves services down would really hurt |
| 20:37.06 | k0rso | ok i've got one more problem im running into. can i use some sort of command when i want a shell program to automatically remove any temporary files that are created when the shell scrip is run? |
| 20:37.07 | asarch | How's the weather? |
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| 20:37.44 | subx | thanks valdyn |
| 20:37.46 | valdyn | !confuse k0rso |
| 20:37.46 | dpkg | No, them is your snake today, k0rso? shirts of the dictatorship of tahiti with extra cream |
| 20:37.47 | asarch | If I want to print only the odd pages from a device indenpent file (.dvi) I use: dvips -t letter -A file.dvi; lpr file.ps |
| 20:37.51 | stoned | 6 |
| 20:37.53 | stoned | doh |
| 20:38.00 | asarch | Is there any way to the same with Postscript files? |
| 20:38.05 | level1 | whats the name of the package for glibc? |
| 20:38.15 | valdyn | level1: libc6 |
| 20:38.21 | jebs | cause acpi is causing kernel panic, but i cant figure out how to turn it off at grub boot menu |
| 20:38.27 | k0rso | how else doi need to word that.... |
| 20:38.29 | abrotman | acpi=off |
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| 20:38.49 | jebs | abrotman okay, where? if i go to command line, is asks for kernel and all sorts of stuff |
| 20:39.00 | abrotman | the grub command line ? |
| 20:39.06 | abrotman | just put it at the end of the kernel line in grub |
| 20:39.36 | kritzstapf | i created an apt-repo, how to assign a public key so my packages can be authorized? :) |
| 20:40.03 | valdyn | kritzstapf: custom packages |
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| 20:40.04 | valdyn | kritzstapf: custom packages? |
| 20:40.15 | kritzstapf | yep |
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| 20:40.17 | kritzstapf | my own |
| 20:40.28 | valdyn | kritzstapf: the changelog determines the key |
| 20:40.44 | kritzstapf | valdyn: hum? im hosting the repo |
| 20:40.59 | valdyn | kritzstapf: the changelog of each package determines they key to be used |
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| 20:41.31 | kritzstapf | i thought i could assign a repo-wide key, like other repos do |
| 20:41.53 | valdyn | kritzstapf: yea, i dont know details about that |
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| 20:50.23 | helo | i got an error during installation on this laptop by something like uwsusp... asking if i wanted to continue without an active swap partition... i said no, but it continued anyways... how do i get an active swap partition, and how do i reconfigure this susp thing? |
| 20:51.22 | epsilon | did you run mkswap and swapon on swap partition? |
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| 20:51.34 | abrotman | did you create a swap partition during install ? |
| 20:51.47 | helo | i didn't run mkswap, but i did create a swap partition during install |
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| 20:54.36 | helo | dpkg-reconfigure uswsusp after i booted into the install ran |
| 20:54.43 | helo | properly, afaict |
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| 20:55.40 | wastr2 | hm |
| 20:55.47 | wastr2 | speakers still not working |
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| 20:55.57 | wastr2 | what could be occupying my /dev/dsp |
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| 20:56.21 | drbair_work | lsof | grep /dev/dsp |
| 20:56.23 | streuner | /dev/dsp is usually OSS |
| 20:56.33 | abrotman | wastr2: i thought it was esd ? |
| 20:56.54 | wastr2 | hm |
| 20:56.57 | wastr2 | well esd is ded |
| 20:57.07 | wastr2 | and its still busy |
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| 20:58.43 | streuner | wastr2: look via "ps aux | grep -i esd" its still live or not |
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| 20:59.27 | wastr2 | nope |
| 20:59.32 | wastr2 | dead |
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| 21:00.41 | wastr2 | i have /etc/init.d/alsautils |
| 21:00.46 | wastr2 | so I stopped that |
| 21:00.54 | wastr2 | linux sound is a mystery to me |
| 21:01.04 | wastr2 | i killed 2 esd processes |
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| 21:03.12 | wastr2 | what was that 10 step process again? |
| 21:03.45 | streuner | wastr2: you want only sound? |
| 21:04.04 | streuner | wastr2: ok, let just start from the beginning :-) |
| 21:04.10 | streuner | wastr2: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 21:04.59 | streuner | hm, #ubuntu too, that might explain it then |
| 21:05.09 | wastr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.18 | streuner | why not asking in #ubuntu then? |
| 21:05.30 | wastr2 | yeah that might be best |
| 21:05.36 | wastr2 | usually the more knowledgeable people are in here |
| 21:05.37 | wastr2 | :) |
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| 21:06.01 | wastr2 | plus they're swamped in there |
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| 21:06.41 | frankr | whats an easy command line way to cnvert mp3s to oggs |
| 21:06.53 | frankr | I tried just using oggenc but it says not supported file |
| 21:06.55 | wastr2 | isn't there a way to see what is using /dev/dsp? |
| 21:07.10 | MoDaX | wastr2: fuser /dev/dsp |
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| 21:07.36 | wastr2 | hm nothing |
| 21:07.41 | wastr2 | nor lsof |
| 21:08.18 | MoDaX | wastr2: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp says that busy? |
| 21:08.57 | wastr2 | yep |
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| 21:09.27 | streuner | wastr2: did you read /topic yet? |
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| 21:09.39 | MoDaX | wastr2: lsmod | grep oss |
| 21:09.45 | wastr2 | no point me to /topic |
| 21:10.19 | wastr2 | modax: that lists a bunch of things |
| 21:10.31 | streuner | this is #debian not #ubuntu, please join your channel which belongs to your distro |
| 21:10.54 | \amethyst | wastr2: are you running as root? |
| 21:11.00 | wastr2 | sorry, i'm a longtime debian user, so I'm used to this room |
| 21:11.13 | stoned | im going home |
| 21:11.14 | MoDaX | wastr2: snd_pcm_oss must be one of them |
| 21:11.14 | stoned | ;D |
| 21:11.15 | wastr2 | \amethyst: yes |
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| 21:11.32 | \amethyst | wastr2: try fuser /dev/snd/* too |
| 21:11.40 | \amethyst | wastr2: it might be that alsa is using the device |
| 21:11.44 | wastr2 | modax: snd_pcm_oss 44544 0 |
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| 21:12.04 | MoDaX | wastr2: why not just to reboot? |
| 21:12.19 | wastr2 | yeah that might be best |
| 21:12.26 | wastr2 | but thats a little bit too windows :) |
| 21:12.29 | lightning | do you know where power settings are stored |
| 21:13.47 | streuner | \amethyst: you seems to have a problem with the /topic too |
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| 21:14.20 | wastr2 | ok found it |
| 21:14.28 | MoDaX | wastr2: ubuntu wants to attract windoze users, I'm not surprised |
| 21:14.29 | wastr2 | there was a gnome applet keeping it busy |
| 21:14.56 | wastr2 | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp worked |
| 21:14.59 | wastr2 | and it sounded awful |
| 21:15.02 | streuner | !topicsmite MoDaX |
| 21:15.03 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon MoDaX. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 21:16.01 | wastr2 | ok speaker problem fixed |
| 21:16.04 | wastr2 | thanks all |
| 21:16.16 | Linux\2 | does anybody remember how you can mount TAR archives? |
| 21:16.44 | streuner | mount tar archives? |
| 21:16.52 | Linux\2 | yeah, like you can mount an ISO |
| 21:16.53 | streuner | you mount devices |
| 21:16.59 | Linux\2 | no |
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| 21:17.09 | MoDaX | streuner: I've been sitting here for 3 years, you don't need to teach me this |
| 21:17.10 | streuner | man mount |
| 21:17.21 | asg | streuner: there was some fuse module for doing that iirc. Buggered if I remember what it was though |
| 21:17.28 | Linux\2 | you can mount an ISO via "-t iso9660 -o loop" |
| 21:17.29 | streuner | MoDaX: well, i think you need to learn to read |
| 21:17.36 | Linux\2 | and this man stuff is no answer |
| 21:17.38 | Linux\2 | keep quiet then |
| 21:18.02 | Linux\2 | i remember there was a way to mount a TAR file like you mount ISO |
| 21:18.10 | streuner | you dont decide what an right answer is |
| 21:18.28 | Linux\2 | of course i do. because i ask |
| 21:18.30 | Linux\2 | now shove off |
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| 21:19.06 | streuner | if you dont want to read man mount, you are prolly wrong in *NIX at all |
| 21:19.12 | Linux\2 | bla bla |
| 21:19.21 | Linux\2 | happy trolling day, once again? |
| 21:19.23 | infernal_jesus | Linux\2: great way to ask for help.. did you consult google? |
| 21:19.25 | black12322 | lol |
| 21:19.33 | black12322 | look why should he |
| 21:19.36 | black12322 | we can help him |
| 21:19.43 | black12322 | but only so much |
| 21:19.45 | Linux\2 | only wannabe cowboys |
| 21:20.00 | black12322 | meow |
| 21:20.01 | Linux\2 | spreading hot air instead of enjoying to be of use |
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| 21:20.20 | Linux\2 | mr. streuner, eat my gun! |
| 21:20.24 | black12322 | purrrpurr |
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| 21:20.39 | DrAk0 | stupid ppl |
| 21:20.44 | black12322 | meow ? |
| 21:20.44 | valdyn | Linux\2: a tar fs needs to be based on something like fuse, im sure there's a list of 'fuse filesystems' on google |
| 21:20.59 | streuner | gone |
| 21:21.01 | black12322 | lol yeah fuse - lots |
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| 21:21.14 | DrAk0 | what he needed was man tar to seek onthe file and then get what he really needs if it was he was looking for. |
| 21:21.27 | black12322 | what did he want ? |
| 21:21.31 | black12322 | a compressed file system ? |
| 21:21.36 | streuner | mount a tar archive |
| 21:21.39 | black12322 | omg |
| 21:21.48 | black12322 | your kidding me - why couldn't he just extract it ? |
| 21:21.49 | black12322 | / view it |
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| 21:21.52 | asg | black12322: to mount a tar file as a filesystem read only. |
| 21:21.59 | black12322 | still same thing |
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| 21:22.05 | valdyn | that's a totally stupid idea anyway |
| 21:22.15 | black12322 | what is the point of that ? |
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| 21:22.35 | black12322 | .... why bother to go out of your way to mount it in read only ? *i know it's not hard but still |
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| 21:22.57 | streuner | the same when you mount an iso, i guess |
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| 21:23.13 | valdyn | that's what he thinks |
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| 21:23.35 | black12322 | eh me ? |
| 21:23.53 | black12322 | i don't see the problem lol your right in saying that he should have done a man on tar |
| 21:23.59 | DrAk0 | streuner, maybe you don't have a tool for iso to search a file |
| 21:24.08 | valdyn | black12322: not you, Linux\2 |
| 21:24.17 | black12322 | oh i don't care valdyn |
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| 21:24.31 | black12322 | drak0 - tried extracting or mounting it and greping ? lol |
| 21:24.55 | black12322 | there are so many iso thingys / tools to mount = apt-cache search tar |
| 21:24.55 | DrAk0 | non-sense conf going here |
| 21:24.58 | black12322 | or fuse or what ever |
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| 21:25.57 | black12322 | hahahah yeah well i have to thank a guy for assiting me with the ati driver in linux. I was under the impression that i was better of with the open source one (for performance on aiglx) turns out that i can have aiglx in linux with the ati driver |
| 21:26.12 | black12322 | - i have an old card so yeah ... |
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| 21:31.25 | MoDaX | streuner: then setup an autoban+kick on word 'ubuntu' here. it would be solution to all such 'problems'. not that I'm fond of ubuntu (actually opposite) or anything, but why overreact and insult other people? |
| 21:31.38 | black12322 | lol |
| 21:33.01 | streuner | MoDaX: if you say something serveral times, i think, some people deserve that you mention to read /topic |
| 21:33.12 | black12322 | any censorship of an evil prevalent in society is a step toward a Utopia of the orwell / huxley style ( dystopia) |
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| 21:33.59 | pickcoder | meh |
| 21:34.29 | black12322 | oh btw do we have any americans here (part of a gov org ?) |
| 21:34.50 | pike_ | i can remember getting roasted when i popped in here a few years ago with the username knoppix asking very basic questions :) |
| 21:35.08 | pickcoder | black12322: any gov org? |
| 21:35.11 | black12322 | ROFL |
| 21:35.14 | black12322 | yeah sure |
| 21:35.20 | pickcoder | I worked for the DOT when I was younger |
| 21:35.23 | pickcoder | does that qualify? |
| 21:35.28 | black12322 | dot ? |
| 21:35.32 | wastr2 | transport |
| 21:35.34 | pickcoder | heh, n/m |
| 21:35.34 | pike_ | pickcoder: meter maid? |
| 21:35.37 | black12322 | k |
| 21:35.39 | black12322 | LOL |
| 21:35.46 | wastr2 | meter mister |
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| 21:35.53 | pickcoder | nope.. bridge maintenance |
| 21:36.02 | pickcoder | summer job |
| 21:36.03 | black12322 | fun fun.... |
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| 21:36.10 | pickcoder | anyway |
| 21:36.11 | pickcoder | that's OT |
| 21:36.18 | black12322 | ot ? |
| 21:36.21 | pickcoder | off topic |
| 21:36.31 | black12322 | well debian is in good shape |
| 21:37.09 | black12322 | it's not like the ubuntu chatroom (i was using it before for a lil while till i realised that debian was a lot better-ubuntu was just slow) |
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| 21:38.07 | wastr2 | ubuntu is just swamped |
| 21:38.11 | wastr2 | with all the basic questions |
| 21:38.14 | black12322 | i'm contirbuting now |
| 21:38.15 | black12322 | lol |
| 21:38.24 | black12322 | - asking why my thingy says debian etch |
| 21:38.26 | pickcoder | basic questions that have already been answered on the forums... |
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| 21:38.59 | black12322 | well yeah when i wanted a real one answered they couldn't do it |
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| 21:39.19 | inaety | i installed madwifi-utils and madwifi-source, however, i cannot modprobe ath_pci. it says it cannot be found |
| 21:39.30 | black12322 | yeah |
| 21:39.35 | black12322 | ah you need to compile it |
| 21:39.38 | MoDaX | inaety: m-a a-i madwifi |
| 21:39.50 | black12322 | yeah that's the trick - nice going modax |
| 21:39.51 | inaety | MoDaX? |
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| 21:40.02 | black12322 | i did that and it worked for me |
| 21:40.02 | inaety | and that madwifi-utils is supposed to be madwifi-tools* |
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| 21:40.09 | MoDaX | inaety: just run it |
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| 21:40.24 | black12322 | do it man it works nice and sweat - fixes everything up for you :) |
| 21:41.19 | inaety | MoDaX: thanks it's doing...something |
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| 21:41.44 | MoDaX | inaety: that's the short version. long version is `module-assistant auto-install madwifi` |
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| 21:42.02 | senuxis | hello |
| 21:42.12 | inaety | ah, i see, it builds it from source? |
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| 21:42.17 | black12322 | yeah |
| 21:42.52 | inaety | MoDaX: good it found the module, thanks |
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| 21:43.45 | inaety | MoDaX: would you happen to know which packages iwconfig comes in? |
| 21:43.57 | MoDaX | inaety: wireless-tools |
| 21:43.57 | streuner | !find iwconfig |
| 21:43.58 | ponyofdeath | hi, i have iptables compiled into my kernel but iptables bin complains about cannot find filter can someone please help? |
| 21:43.59 | black12322 | ... you don't have it already |
| 21:44.01 | Thebest | how can i kick this Ip wich on netstat -an say`s 0 0 MyServerIP:3335 86.104.117.192:1201 CLOSE_WAIT ' |
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| 21:44.04 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'iwconfig' (3): (/sbin/iwconfig) in net/wireless-tools ;; (/usr/share/zsh/4.3.4/functions/Completion/Linux/_iwconfig) in shells/zsh ;; (/usr/share/zsh-beta/4.3.4-dev-0/functions/Completion/Linux/_iwconfig) in shells/zsh-beta. |
| 21:44.13 | inaety | thanks, MoDaX |
| 21:44.16 | black12322 | threbest iptables |
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| 21:44.35 | streuner | inaety: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:44.36 | black12322 | !grep monkey |
| 21:44.39 | black12322 | !find monkey |
| 21:44.41 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'monkey' (5): firefox-greasemonkey ;; graphmonkey ;; iceweasel-greasemonkey ;; searchmonkey ;; spidermonkey-bin. |
| 21:45.20 | pickcoder | Thebest: it will clear up eventually |
| 21:45.24 | black12322 | ok i'm falling a speely |
| 21:45.26 | black12322 | nighty |
| 21:46.56 | pickcoder | Thebest: if it doesn't go away, look at netstat -ap and get the PID of the process that's being naughty |
| 21:48.21 | stew | pickcoder: what makes you say that the process is being naughty? |
| 21:48.53 | pickcoder | the remote disappeared and this side is still waiting for it to close |
| 21:49.06 | lindi- | inaety: madwifi implies proprietary stuff that can't be built from source, that's why madwifi is not part of the official debian distro |
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| 21:49.29 | lindi- | inaety: (just re black12322's comment on building things from source) |
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| 21:50.50 | stew | lindi-: madwifi can be built from source, in fact he just built it from source |
| 21:51.02 | stew | pickcoder: but this isn't a sign that something on his end is broken |
| 21:51.21 | inaety | okay thank you lindi- |
| 21:51.36 | lindi- | stew: what part of "implies" is unclear? |
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| 21:51.48 | pickcoder | which side is the close_wait on? |
| 21:51.49 | inaety | do any of know how i can rechoose my mirrors? i didnt have internet before so i couldn't choose one and now my sources.list is just the cdrom! |
| 21:52.07 | lindi- | stew: i'd imagine madwifi would be in contrib if it could be built from source |
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| 21:52.21 | streuner | inaety: $editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:52.28 | lindi- | stew: but i don't know about it much since it's not in (official) debian |
| 21:52.40 | streuner | inaety: /msg dpkg mirrors and read "man sources.list" |
| 21:52.59 | stew | lindi-: it can be built from source. he just built it, its in non-free because some of the files are not modifiable. i don't see how "madwifi" implies anything in particualr. non-free in no way implies closed source |
| 21:53.39 | stoned | dig |
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| 21:54.03 | lindi- | stew: maybe but should be quite easy to reverse engineer and write free replacements if there was source too, don't you think? |
| 21:54.10 | XtypeWriter74 | !paste |
| 21:54.10 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 21:55.17 | stew | lindi-: i don't know, i haven't looked at the source code to know how easy it would be. but as i understand it, that is, in fact happening |
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| 21:58.55 | ruben | Hello, I am using skype on a debian box, when I close skype, then it is not killed, it runs on background and I need to do a kill manuallya, any idea how can I prevent this? |
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| 21:59.22 | stoned | it is probably in your system tray or something |
| 21:59.39 | stoned | it usually minimizes to systray on close |
| 21:59.53 | stoned | i think, check there. otherwise dunno, as skype is not officially a debian package afaik |
| 22:01.04 | XtypeWriter74 | hi. i install sun-java5-doc by mistake and get this message http://rafb.net/p/MRFkfs24.html |
| 22:01.38 | ruben | ups thanks stoned, can I use a little trick using shell scipt like, skype && if it is closes, kill it ? |
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| 22:02.22 | stoned | ruben: what? |
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| 22:02.32 | stoned | XtypeWriter74: if you read it carefully you'll understand |
| 22:02.48 | stoned | XtypeWriter74: its not an error |
| 22:03.02 | XtypeWriter74 | i dont what to download it from the site, if thats it what you mean? |
| 22:03.10 | stoned | then you don't have to :) |
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| 22:03.41 | XtypeWriter74 | but i press no then return and i justed installed gnugo and it showed again |
| 22:03.42 | XtypeWriter74 | ? |
| 22:03.45 | ruben | stoned: I use a window manager that has no concept of a system tray. |
| 22:03.48 | ruben | :P |
| 22:04.05 | ruben | stoned: my english sucks, sorry |
| 22:04.23 | stoned | ruben: check skype settings and make sure it exits on close, not run in bg. |
| 22:04.46 | stoned | ruben: skype isn't really supported, and I've used it maybe a few times in the past |
| 22:04.55 | stoned | I don't know how much help i can be, try #skype? |
| 22:05.10 | ruben | It is possible to use another client with using skype network? |
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| 22:05.29 | stoned | afaik skype takes full control of the sound card |
| 22:05.43 | stoned | if you have skype running you can't play audio. This is however my infor from last year |
| 22:05.49 | stoned | I dunno if they fixed/changed it |
| 22:06.01 | ruben | It works now, I use youtube :) |
| 22:06.07 | stoned | cool |
| 22:06.11 | stoned | I might actually give it a shot now |
| 22:06.24 | stoned | but |
| 22:06.27 | stoned | I'm on windows atm |
| 22:06.28 | stoned | :( |
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| 22:07.55 | XtypeWriter74 | <stoned> can you give a hint what to do, i am stuck 8| |
| 22:08.25 | stoned | XtypeWriter74: remove the package? |
| 22:08.50 | XtypeWriter74 | i did apt-get remove sun-java5-doc and it doesnt exist |
| 22:09.35 | stoned | weird |
| 22:09.58 | XtypeWriter74 | it didnt work with sudo :o |
| 22:10.03 | XtypeWriter74 | thanks ;9 |
| 22:10.05 | XtypeWriter74 | ) |
| 22:10.16 | XtypeWriter74 | :) |
| 22:10.26 | stoned | XtypeWriter74: thanks? |
| 22:10.47 | XtypeWriter74 | for the hint |
| 22:10.54 | stoned | oh |
| 22:10.58 | stoned | is it working? |
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| 22:11.03 | stoned | i mean did you figure it out? |
| 22:11.18 | XtypeWriter74 | yes, as su it did |
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| 22:12.40 | XtypeWriter74 | since owned by root.root, thought that i should access as su |
| 22:12.46 | XtypeWriter74 | to remove itt |
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| 22:17.05 | jelly | boohoo, since when do glxgears have no -printfps? |
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| 22:17.34 | jelly | (or even -iacknowledgethatthistoolsauthorisamoron) |
| 22:17.36 | karsten | jelly: -fps, isn't it? |
| 22:17.43 | subx | I have a very strange problem, I think possibly my machine has been compromised. If I open up www.msn.com using Iceweasel it shows me a version of MSN as if I was connecting using 'Verizon DSL', I AM NOT with Verizon DSL and I AM NOT using any proxies. If i open up www.msn.com using konqueror, it shows msn how it should be, here is a snapshot: http://empire.ispeeds.net/~subx/snapshot.png |
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| 22:18.10 | jelly | karsten: nope, strings =glxgears|grep fps -> nothing |
| 22:18.19 | karsten | jelly: Dig. Changelog? |
| 22:18.40 | minerale | subx: clear your cache, cookies, and flush your dns entries |
| 22:18.49 | jelly | karsten: changelog or not, it is a sad day for business! |
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| 22:19.00 | subx | ok |
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| 22:19.15 | karsten | jelly: no mention in changelog |
| 22:19.20 | karsten | jelly: mesa-utils |
| 22:19.47 | stoned | heh |
| 22:19.55 | stoned | today was a good day |
| 22:20.03 | subx | minerale: that worked, how could a cookie change a webpage? |
| 22:20.06 | jelly | karsten: to think I got this onboard Radeon to work with free drivers for nothing! |
| 22:20.22 | stoned | jelly: you like jelly? |
| 22:20.31 | jelly | stoned: not really |
| 22:20.39 | xero | karsten: I can't seem to get my newly built kernels to boot. They have support for everything I can think of (that abides to my systen) |
| 22:20.39 | stoned | oh, I was just curious |
| 22:20.40 | stoned | :) |
| 22:20.42 | pickcoder | preserves |
| 22:20.48 | stoned | pickcoder: sup man |
| 22:21.03 | pickcoder | not much.. losing my mind |
| 22:21.11 | stoned | awe :( dont' do taht |
| 22:21.15 | karsten | jelly: It wont run on my current display, but wasn't that the default action (print framerate)? |
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| 22:21.27 | stoned | 'of all the things i've lost, I miss my mind the most' |
| 22:21.30 | jelly | karsten: it had been a few years ago |
| 22:21.30 | karsten | xero: And you're asking _me_ why? |
| 22:21.30 | stoned | ozzy osbourne |
| 22:21.43 | xero | 2.6.21.5 has support built in for IDE, all Intel chipsets I could find, Radeon video, LCD and CRT monitors built in, ext3 |
| 22:21.46 | jelly | karsten: after that, there was a -printfps option |
| 22:21.58 | xero | karsten: You were the first to talk. I assumed you were one of the normal few around. |
| 22:22.00 | pickcoder | getting ready to do a memory upgrade on our main server here |
| 22:22.15 | xero | when i joined anyway |
| 22:22.19 | pickcoder | something is going to break.. I just know it |
| 22:22.20 | karsten | xero: yeah, but busy. |
| 22:22.34 | karsten | xero: Just ask the channel. |
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| 22:22.40 | xero | Okay. |
| 22:22.41 | xero | Sorry |
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| 22:23.15 | jelly | xero: it would be better to show the exact and complete failing message, and perhaps your .config |
| 22:23.20 | martman | im trying to install vmware-tools for a debian guest and im wondering if theres anyway way i can avoid compiling a kernel. im just using the stock stable one |
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| 22:23.25 | xero | It doesn't give a message. |
| 22:23.31 | xero | It stops at LILO (blank screen) |
| 22:23.44 | xero | and my .config will be pasted in a few minutes |
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| 22:23.49 | jelly | xero: so, you don't even get to the kernel? |
| 22:24.03 | xero | It loads this kernel, but it won't load the other. |
| 22:24.23 | xero | Blank screen and dmesg on this one returns nothing related to the other. |
| 22:24.42 | jelly | xero: sorry to ask, you are aware that lilo needs to be rerun each time a kernel or initrd is updated? |
| 22:24.46 | xero | Yes. |
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| 22:24.53 | karsten | jelly: When I run it on my other box, I get n frames in m seconds = r FPS. |
| 22:24.55 | xero | I updated kernels and initrd. |
| 22:24.58 | karsten | jelly: ... stdout. |
| 22:25.15 | xero | I reran lilo. |
| 22:25.18 | karsten | xero: Re-run "lilo". |
| 22:25.21 | xero | It didn't boot. |
| 22:25.27 | jelly | karsten: ah! I forgot to wait 5 seconds. |
| 22:26.00 | karsten | jelly: Your girlfriend must hate you. |
| 22:26.00 | xero | I changed lilo.conf to use that kernel default, too. |
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| 22:26.27 | xero | Reran lilo twice in the last 15 minutes. |
| 22:27.07 | karsten | xero: What do you see at boot time? Lilo menu? Lilo runs? Kernel loads? |
| 22:27.20 | xero | Lilo runs, then blank screen. |
| 22:27.20 | karsten | xero: Sounds like possibly incompatible video modes. |
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| 22:27.42 | xero | Actually, after five seconds, it will reboot. |
| 22:27.48 | xero | About five, anyway. |
| 22:27.50 | karsten | xero: Try "vga=ask" as a kernel perameter. |
| 22:27.55 | jebs | im missing ati module for a ati rage pro 215GP, i tried r128 drivers, but it didnt work, how do i install ati driver? |
| 22:27.59 | karsten | xero: 300s panic. Maybe bad root filesystem. |
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| 22:28.04 | xero | Okay. Have to wait on this one to build. |
| 22:28.18 | karsten | xero: Wait: you've built your own kernel? |
| 22:28.22 | jelly | xero: can you attach a serial terminal? |
| 22:28.39 | xero | Yes, karsten. |
| 22:28.49 | xero | jelly, no offense, but i'm a newbie. |
| 22:28.55 | karsten | xero: Nice of you to share that inconsequential tidbit with us. |
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| 22:29.05 | jelly | xero: I'll take that as no. :-) |
| 22:29.07 | xero | I said it earlier, karsten. |
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| 22:29.32 | chlue | Hello I changed the Data-partitions of my Harddrive with windows and this xxx managed to make a complete mess. For some reason windows decided to change the numbers of the partions. My / switched from sdb8 to sdb6 and so on. Now I have the problem that grub isn't able to boot. (error 15). I tried to correct the menu.lst, but if I enter "grub-install hd0" it tells me something about state1 is not right. Any hints where to start locking? |
| 22:29.34 | karsten | xero: You've got something wrong with your kernel. It's panicking. Lilo's just fine. Whatever its' doing, you can't display output. After 300s the system restarts (default panic delay). |
| 22:30.01 | xero | Thanks, karsten. |
| 22:30.02 | karsten | Heard a strange kid's voice roaming around asking "Daddy?" |
| 22:30.13 | xero | My config is at http://xero-games.com/.config |
| 22:30.18 | degantyll | scary |
| 22:30.25 | karsten | degantyll: Tell me about it. |
| 22:30.26 | xero | That site is horribly designed btw. Don't look at it. |
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| 22:30.50 | jebs | modprobe ati ; FATAL module ati not found |
| 22:30.54 | jebs | how do i get it? |
| 22:30.59 | karsten | xero: If you can get serial output it'll help immensely. Alternatively, boot the kernel using qemu and get serial out from it. |
| 22:31.14 | karsten | xero: With a serial cable and minicom on the remote side. |
| 22:31.16 | degantyll | karsten, I don't have a problem with things moving around by themselves at home, but kids' voices are plain scary haha |
| 22:31.41 | karsten | degantyll: Point missed ;-) |
| 22:31.44 | xero | I have no serial cables, and no computers fit for doing anything but holding my files except for this one. |
| 22:31.59 | karsten | !qemu |
| 22:31.59 | dpkg | qemu is, like, a fast PC emulator that can be found at http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/, or the KQEMU accelerator is now released under GPL (previously proprietary). |
| 22:32.02 | degantyll | mmm |
| 22:32.11 | xero | I have qemu. |
| 22:32.13 | karsten | xero: Boot your kernel in qemu and use it to grab serial out. |
| 22:32.31 | xero | I don't know how to grab serial out from it, but okay. |
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| 22:32.58 | karsten | xero: RTFM |
| 22:33.03 | jelly | karsten: assuming his kernel has support for qemu's emulated hw |
| 22:33.14 | jelly | and doesn't barf on an unrelated note |
| 22:33.21 | stoned | note |
| 22:33.31 | karsten | jelly: If he's x86 or powerpc, it does. |
| 22:33.34 | stoned | notes are good |
| 22:33.42 | Guiwald | ++ |
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| 22:34.04 | chlue | jebs: if i remember right ati is used for the opensouce drivers, so you should find them in the packet xserver-xorg-video-ati |
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| 22:34.40 | xero | I'm pretty sure the kernel will barf on anything, really. |
| 22:34.56 | jebs | chlue i already have that installed, but modprobe ati still fails |
| 22:34.57 | xero | I have to wait on this one to build. |
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| 22:35.09 | jelly | xero: do you have a laptop? |
| 22:35.09 | jebs | and ati was the module i used before i moved the card to this box |
| 22:35.11 | karsten | xero: You can redirect qemu's serial output to any arbitrary pty. You can attach to that pty (or simply stream it to an existing shell session / terminal window. You can IIRC pass boot options to the kernel you want. '-kernel <kernel image>' and '-append <commandline>' as kernel and options respectively. |
| 22:35.35 | karsten | xero: The point is that by outputting serial you can see *what* it's barfing on. We already *know* it's barfing on something, and early. |
| 22:35.39 | waltz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:36.11 | jebs | modprobe ati; FATAL: Module ati not found. |
| 22:36.13 | xero | As soon as this one builds, I'll test it in qemu. |
| 22:36.20 | waltz | (which i set up with LVM during installation) |
| 22:36.25 | martman | im trying to install vmware-tools for a debian guest and im wondering if theres anyway way i can avoid compiling a kernel. im just using the stock stable one |
| 22:36.27 | waltz | anyone know what i can do? |
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| 22:36.44 | jelly | martman: tried asking #vmware? |
| 22:36.45 | karsten | xero: You can even attach gdb to qemu |
| 22:36.48 | babilen | hi there. i want to remove all packages matching a given pattern using aptitude. how can this be done? |
| 22:36.54 | minerale | where can I download debian for my g4 powerpc imac (it's the powerpc cd, but do I need a special boot loader? ) |
| 22:37.00 | chlue | jebs: normaly you should need the kernelmoudle readeon, or do you have a really old card? |
| 22:37.06 | stoned | !d-i minerale |
| 22:37.06 | dpkg | minerale, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:37.16 | jebs | chlue its a rage215GP pretty old |
| 22:37.27 | jebs | r128 doesnt seem to work either though |
| 22:37.35 | babilen | i remember reading about something like "pattern~" but can't find it in the man pages or docs.. |
| 22:37.42 | waltz | hello? |
| 22:37.43 | jelly | jebs: does "modprobe mach64" work? |
| 22:37.50 | xero | jebs: My parents have an "old" pentium 2 with a ragePRO in it. |
| 22:37.50 | stoned | !tell minerale -about ppc |
| 22:37.54 | jebs | jelly not found |
| 22:37.56 | karsten | babilen: aptitude remove $( dpkg --get-selections | awk '$1 = "install" && $2 ~ "pattern" {print $2}' |
| 22:37.58 | karsten | babilen: ) |
| 22:38.24 | jelly | jebs: TBH a Rage something card probably doesn't have 3D capabilities to speak of, so you need not mess with kernel modules at all. |
| 22:38.45 | jebs | jelly, well i used ati driver in last machine that had it, and it worked fine |
| 22:38.48 | jebs | what else should i use? |
| 22:39.05 | jelly | jebs: ati driver for xorg, yes. not for the kernel. |
| 22:39.12 | karsten | xero: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2005-June/012281.html |
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| 22:39.40 | jebs | jelly ah |
| 22:39.51 | chlue | jebs: I have these files: aty128fb.ko atyfb.ko radeonfb.ko |
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| 22:40.19 | jelly | chlue: framebuffer is not essential ;-) |
| 22:40.24 | jebs | well something else is going on then, cause monitor and resolution stuff in my xorg.conf are exactly the same, so is driver information, but desktop still does not come up |
| 22:40.28 | xero | karsten: One of my old ones doesn't choke on qemu, but does choke on the real computer. |
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| 22:41.20 | jelly | jebs: SOP is: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf |
| 22:41.23 | chlue | jelly: but the files are called aty instead of ati, so maybee his module is named aty128? |
| 22:41.40 | jelly | chlue: maybe he doesn't ask about the framebuffer. |
| 22:41.57 | babilen | karsten: so install search pattern are not available for removes? |
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| 22:42.57 | jelly | chlue: those modules with names ending in fb are framebuffer (graphical console) drivers, and jebs complains of X not working |
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| 22:43.06 | karsten | babilen: Frankly, it's easier for me to build up something I know from pipes and filters than to recall syntax. Plus you can preview the list this way. |
| 22:43.06 | jebs | http://pastebin.ca/644852 |
| 22:43.19 | jebs | the bottom is the xorg error |
| 22:43.31 | karsten | xero: OK. |
| 22:43.50 | jelly | jebs: ah, you didn't specify you had two cards |
| 22:44.02 | jebs | oh, yes, i have two cards, dual monitor |
| 22:44.13 | jebs | both monitor and screen are taken from a working machine that im now upgrading |
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| 22:44.22 | jebs | same with this ati card |
| 22:45.02 | jelly | jebs: hmph, is this an i386 machine? |
| 22:45.13 | jebs | i686 |
| 22:45.16 | jebs | but yea |
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| 22:45.39 | xero | I'm going to go check if this one works. |
| 22:46.04 | chlue | jelly: o I see, but then maybee r128 from /lib/modules/2.6.21-2-k7/kernel/drivers/char/drm/ ? Its the best I can find in the module folders. |
| 22:46.23 | babilen | karsten: i can see what you mean, just remembered that i read something about search patterns for aptitude. but i found it in the aptitude reference. thanks anyways! |
| 22:46.34 | jelly | jebs: I have 0 experiencs with two phys. card setups, try #xorg if you don't get lucky here (or even #xorg-devel, but don't tell them I sent you ;-) |
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| 22:47.24 | dondelelcaro | jebs: is the PCI specification correct for the cards? |
| 22:47.34 | jebs | dondelelcaro, yes |
| 22:47.40 | dondelelcaro | jebs: do you have Screen, Display, and a ServerLayout that describes the cards? |
| 22:47.48 | jebs | the first card is working fine with its monitor/screen |
| 22:47.54 | dondelelcaro | jebs: but the second isn't? |
| 22:47.54 | jebs | yes |
| 22:47.56 | jebs | yes |
| 22:48.01 | jelly | chlue: those are kernel parts for 3D drivers |
| 22:48.04 | streuner | wb(r) abrotman |
| 22:48.10 | dondelelcaro | jebs: give us your Xorg.0.log and your configuration (or point me to the url if you already did) |
| 22:48.12 | abrotman | hi |
| 22:48.21 | jebs | http://pastebin.ca/644852 |
| 22:48.55 | jebs | its basically the same setup as my last system |
| 22:49.00 | jebs | it even had the i810 driver card |
| 22:49.06 | jebs | so im not sure where the error is =\ |
| 22:49.25 | dondelelcaro | jebs: yeah, the error is that the ati card isn't being initialized |
| 22:49.35 | drbair | must lvm snapshots be made on the same vg as the lv you taking the snapshot of? |
| 22:49.37 | dondelelcaro | jebs: there are some "issues" with the int10 code not initializing them properly |
| 22:49.45 | jelly | jebs: does the machine have a custom kernel? |
| 22:49.47 | jebs | it worked fine on my last system |
| 22:49.51 | jebs | jelly no, standard |
| 22:49.58 | dondelelcaro | jebs: you may be able to get it to work by having the BIOS use the PCI card as the default display adapter |
| 22:50.22 | dondelelcaro | jebs: you may also try including a Load "int10"; or also loading the ati framebuffer drivers |
| 22:50.23 | jebs | if i do that, it kernel panics |
| 22:50.31 | dondelelcaro | jebs: which one? |
| 22:50.38 | jebs | using the pci as primary |
| 22:50.53 | dondelelcaro | jebs: hrm... when does it panic? |
| 22:51.21 | jebs | on boot |
| 22:51.40 | dondelelcaro | jebs: obviously... but when on boot? |
| 22:52.01 | jebs | i dunno, some acpi smp errors |
| 22:52.16 | dondelelcaro | jebs: try booting with noacpi; and see if that helps |
| 22:52.26 | jebs | it didnt, already tried |
| 22:52.58 | abrotman | noapic ? |
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| 22:53.13 | jebs | when it does load ati driver, it kernel panics |
| 22:53.14 | jebs | blah |
| 22:53.21 | dondelelcaro | jebs: which version of xserver-xorg-video-ati; are you running? |
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| 22:53.36 | jebs | im done with debian |
| 22:53.43 | streuner | heh |
| 22:53.44 | jebs | never had some many problems installing a simple fileserver |
| 22:53.46 | jebs | peace |
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| 22:54.01 | dondelelcaro | a simple fileserver with two heads? |
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| 22:54.12 | streuner | dondelelcaro: no worries... |
| 22:54.16 | streuner | gone |
| 22:54.34 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; it's not like there aren't problems with the int10 code... but you'll have issues with pretty much any distribution and it |
| 22:55.21 | babilen | what do you think, will apt-get start to pull in recommends? |
| 22:55.30 | dondelelcaro | babilen: there's no question that it will |
| 22:55.41 | dondelelcaro | on or about october 1st. |
| 22:56.17 | babilen | dondelelcaro: is it decided yet? i had the impression that there is a lot of discussion about that issue. |
| 22:56.43 | dondelelcaro | babilen: the people who have the power to make the decision have made the decision; the rest is just discussion about whether it's a good idea or not (and the ramifications of it) |
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| 23:01.35 | streuner | dondelelcaro: haha |
| 23:03.07 | streuner | dondelelcaro: just ask, people usally say what they want or not ;-) |
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| 23:03.56 | inaety | could someone send me their sources.list? |
| 23:04.05 | streuner | inaety: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:04.16 | abrotman | !sources.list |
| 23:04.17 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 23:04.19 | streuner | (you need basically 2 lines) |
| 23:04.20 | cafuego | i could, but it's an ubuntu amd64 one, so it's probably not useful to you. |
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| 23:04.41 | streuner | well, most of us use x86 :-P |
| 23:04.51 | inaety | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 23:05.00 | abrotman | !tell inaety about sources.list |
| 23:05.26 | inaety | abrotman: i know about them i just need to regenerate one |
| 23:05.34 | abrotman | inaety: and that tells you how |
| 23:05.44 | streuner | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 23:06.26 | aindilis | !tell aindilis about sources.list |
| 23:06.26 | streuner | deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 23:06.29 | streuner | inaety: those 2 lines, NOT more or listen to abrotman |
| 23:06.45 | abrotman | well .. why would he when you just spoonfed him |
| 23:06.47 | inaety | why just those, streuner |
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| 23:06.55 | streuner | they are enough |
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| 23:07.27 | streuner | basically one official mirror and one for security (official, of course) |
| 23:07.48 | abrotman | though he might want to use a mirror in flordia |
| 23:07.56 | inaety | oh okay, thank you streuner |
| 23:08.09 | Internat | is there an easy way of allowing a user access to chown files to a specific range of ID's if thse files in question are owned by him/her? |
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| 23:08.27 | abrotman | i think there's a ufl.edu mirror |
| 23:08.43 | inaety | abrotman: i can just make ftp.us.debian.org right? |
| 23:08.45 | streuner | secontary? |
| 23:08.56 | streuner | mirror |
| 23:09.00 | Internat | ie i have a user called hosting. my hosting accounts start at 1001 and finish at say 2000, i want the hstonig user to be able to change ownership of files that it owns to any number iwhin that range |
| 23:09.03 | lindenl1 | Anyone out there forced to use scientific linux ? |
| 23:09.11 | abrotman | inaety: you can .. but i prefer the other mirrors like the ufl.edu one |
| 23:09.16 | lindenl1 | I am so steamed!!! |
| 23:09.40 | abrotman | though the ufl.edu mirror only does ftp |
| 23:09.41 | inaety | well, abrotman, how can i find those mirrors? |
| 23:09.43 | babilen | Internat: why not add a group hosting, add all users to this group and change the file ownership accordingly? |
| 23:09.49 | inaety | ftp is fine |
| 23:09.53 | abrotman | !Mirros |
| 23:09.57 | abrotman | !tell inaety about mirrors |
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| 23:10.16 | abrotman | inaety: and that factoid is wrong .. there's no more apt-setup |
| 23:11.04 | Internat | cause taht doesnt fit in with the plan :) orthe structure that im using.. im thinking i may have to write my own chown wrapper that i givesetuid to that does its checks.. but.. |
| 23:11.09 | inaety | oh okay, abrotman. i wasn't gonna try :P and i believe it's ftp.cise.ufl.edu ? |
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| 23:11.30 | abrotman | inaety: ftp.cise.ufl.edu .. yes |
| 23:11.35 | dondelelcaro | Internat: why do you need this user to be able to change the ownership of other people's files? |
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| 23:12.15 | dondelelcaro | Internat: and no, you shouldn't write a setuid chown wrapper; far better to use sudo with a specific command which changes appropriately owned files appropriately. |
| 23:12.37 | Internat | err |
| 23:12.46 | Internat | you can do that in sudo? how would one do that? |
| 23:13.02 | inaety | abrotman: i add the "etc contrib non-free" as well? |
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| 23:13.08 | inaety | etch* |
| 23:13.09 | abrotman | inaety: yep |
| 23:13.48 | dondelelcaro | Internat: you just use sudo to su to root (with appropriate checks) and then invokes a command which does it; man sudoers; for details. |
| 23:13.49 | Internat | the hosting user is the account assosciated with the automatic process for creating domainsetc from a "tobeproccessed" database |
| 23:14.08 | inaety | abrotman: i got errors after apt-get update...whats wrong with this "deb ftp://ftp.cise.ufl.edu/pub/mirrors/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 23:14.08 | inaety | " |
| 23:14.23 | abrotman | inaety: which errors ? |
| 23:14.27 | dondelelcaro | Internat: so doesn't if have to actually run the domain creation process as root? |
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| 23:14.32 | dondelelcaro | (or at least parts of it?) |
| 23:14.43 | Internat | yes.. but i didnt want the process to run as root |
| 23:14.48 | Internat | only run specific commands as required |
| 23:14.54 | inaety | abrotman: one second lemme pastebin it |
| 23:15.02 | dondelelcaro | Internat: so have the process itself run as non-root, and allow it to execute specific commands as root using sudo. |
| 23:15.10 | abrotman | inaety: i see ... nevermind |
| 23:15.33 | inaety | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m4c2364e4 |
| 23:15.41 | Internat | see i understand that part, but if that user can execute say chown/mod as root, if it got compromised then it could own the enitre system |
| 23:16.02 | Internat | hence wanting to be very specific on what type of files and ownerships ranges it can touch |
| 23:16.14 | abrotman | inaety: i guess try the gatech or msu one .. apparently ufl.edu doesn't mirror it anymore |
| 23:16.19 | dondelelcaro | Internat: that's why you have a wrapper which is not setuid invoked by sudo which checks all of that. |
| 23:16.34 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i thought there was a process that checked the mirrors ? |
| 23:16.39 | inaety | abrotman: oh lame...i will yell at my brother (he goes there) |
| 23:16.49 | abrotman | inaety: heh |
| 23:16.54 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yes, but I don't know if it's automated completely (or what the delay is) |
| 23:17.03 | Internat | oh ok, so i can make a sudo invoked wrapper |
| 23:17.06 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: there's not even a debian directory on the server |
| 23:17.20 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: which mirror? |
| 23:17.29 | abrotman | ftp://ftp.cise.ufl.edu/pub/mirrors |
| 23:17.32 | Internat | so u mean something like sudo hostingchown args where hostingchown is the wrapper? |
| 23:17.41 | abrotman | there's supposed to be a 'debian' subdir .. but it's missing |
| 23:18.39 | inaety | abrotman: so...i just put that in there? |
| 23:18.56 | abrotman | inaety: put what ? |
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| 23:19.05 | abrotman | inaety: whihc mirror do you want to use ? |
| 23:19.14 | inaety | abrotman: well since the gator one is closer |
| 23:19.15 | dondelelcaro | antgel: mirrors@debian.org |
| 23:19.18 | dondelelcaro | s/antgel/abrotman/ |
| 23:19.20 | abrotman | got it |
| 23:19.32 | dondelelcaro | Internat: yes. |
| 23:19.33 | abrotman | inaety: the ufl one is broken |
| 23:19.46 | dondelelcaro | Internat: and where you have a sudoers file that allows the hosting user to only execute the wrapper |
| 23:19.52 | inaety | abrotman: oh i thought you said they had just forgot the debian part |
| 23:20.10 | dondelelcaro | Internat: presumably the wrapper only takes the hostname and verifies it or similar. |
| 23:20.29 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ah . .they have a status page .. it's listed as bd |
| 23:20.30 | abrotman | bad |
| 23:20.34 | abrotman | http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 23:20.40 | inaety | abrotman: the debian mirror is about 125 kb/s faster than the gatech |
| 23:20.53 | abrotman | inaety: it's about spreading it around :) |
| 23:21.02 | abrotman | for me anyways |
| 23:21.15 | inaety | ah |
| 23:21.21 | inaety | haha |
| 23:21.27 | Internat | i think it will check the owner of the current directory, and then the owner number its changing too |
| 23:21.39 | Internat | and check that they are within a specific range |
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| 23:26.18 | dondelelcaro | Internat: you should also not allow the arguments to specify the mode |
| 23:26.33 | dondelelcaro | (or perhaps only specific modes) |
| 23:26.40 | abrotman | inaety: did you get it worked out ? |
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| 23:27.38 | Gnea | hrm |
| 23:28.00 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you guys have a new tshirt for lwce this year? |
| 23:28.15 | Gnea | i get no errors while starting X, but nothing shows up on the screen, using the nvidia-legacy driver with an Nvidia 440 Go |
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| 23:28.37 | jetscreamer | Gnea: you should know grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 23:29.22 | Gnea | wtf... i just tried again and it showed up... but at a reduced resolution |
| 23:30.02 | Gnea | (EE) Failed to load module "type1" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 23:30.08 | Gnea | jetscreamer: that's it |
| 23:30.15 | gravity | type1 is dead |
| 23:30.18 | gravity | freetype ftw |
| 23:30.20 | Gnea | ... |
| 23:30.21 | jetscreamer | comment it out i guess |
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| 23:30.28 | jetscreamer | ask the expert :) \o/ |
| 23:30.53 | deadcat | i get (EE) Failed to load module "type1" (module does not exist, 0) too. should i jsut remove it from the xorg.conf file? |
| 23:31.04 | gravity | Seriously |
| 23:31.12 | gravity | deadcat: yes |
| 23:31.13 | deadcat | gravity: do i add anything else? |
| 23:31.19 | jetscreamer | yeh that's what i wanted |
| 23:31.23 | jetscreamer | anything to add? |
| 23:31.25 | deadcat | i noticed my bold fonts dont show up anymore. |
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| 23:31.34 | gravity | deadcat: You do need the freetype module |
| 23:31.37 | jetscreamer | substitute rather |
| 23:31.41 | deadcat | thanks gravity |
| 23:31.45 | gravity | deadcat: If you're runing sid or etch then you don't need any module section at all |
| 23:31.53 | jetscreamer | !gravity++ |
| 23:31.57 | jetscreamer | really? cool |
| 23:32.00 | SoulChild | how to hack a w-lan wep key, does anyone have experince ? |
| 23:32.05 | deadcat | gravity: oh cool |
| 23:32.11 | Gnea | gravity: error is gone, problem persists |
| 23:32.33 | jetscreamer | try the nv instead of nvidia? |
| 23:32.46 | gravity | urgh... nvidia-glx |
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| 23:33.12 | Gnea | nv works just fine |
| 23:33.23 | gravity | Yeah, this isn't something I know anything about then. |
| 23:33.39 | jetscreamer | uh if the error just happened, then somebody just upgraded i would think. with xorg upgrades, it's usually best to re-run the .run... |
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| 23:34.00 | Gnea | the .run? you smoking crack? :) |
| 23:34.01 | jetscreamer | once, once only, i had to m-a a-i -f nvidia again after some xorg upgrade i think |
| 23:34.02 | stew | !gravity |
| 23:34.03 | dpkg | gravity rules, or a botaphile, or someone who has a mighty wang of doom, or the pwm pimp, or it pays to discover, or loves proprietary drivers |
| 23:34.21 | deadcat | gravity: hows my Module section? http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:34.25 | Gnea | i only do it the debian way |
| 23:34.35 | jetscreamer | try m-a a-i -f nvidia |
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| 23:34.48 | jetscreamer | once it worked for me which was weird you're not supposed to have to |
| 23:34.53 | jetscreamer | ok whichever |
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| 23:35.03 | jetscreamer | -f |
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| 23:35.11 | gravity | deadcat: If it works for you then it's fine |
| 23:35.15 | deadcat | k |
| 23:35.21 | gravity | Crazy custom xorg.confs are not my target |
| 23:35.23 | deadcat | i guess i can remove the type1 module |
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| 23:35.40 | jetscreamer | the -f keeps it from re-doing something.. i forget |
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| 23:35.47 | jetscreamer | d/l'ing the package maybe |
| 23:36.11 | jetscreamer | or it might have been "it's already installed!" |
| 23:37.13 | jetscreamer | For the get command, download a newer version of a package even if it is already installed |
| 23:37.31 | jetscreamer | then there's somethign about another type of force |
| 23:38.00 | jetscreamer | which it doesn't seem to explain very well... " Never look for target file (in another version) and force a build" |
| 23:38.44 | jetscreamer | might have been both :) |
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| 23:45.37 | edson-l | alguem pode ajudar com o grub? |
| 23:46.26 | streuner | !br |
| 23:46.26 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:46.41 | streuner | oh, #ubuntu :-) |
| 23:48.09 | jetscreamer | #grub but i doubt there's a lot of portuguese |
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| 23:48.33 | edson-l | ok thanks.. |
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| 23:49.14 | NETWizz | Hi, how can I deploy a package to an entire computer lab full of Debian computers? |
| 23:49.25 | NETWizz | I am the root administrator |
| 23:49.47 | NETWizz | There must be a way to put the package on a local repository or something and be able to push updates |
| 23:50.00 | stopher | Hey guys and gals, I'm having an issue. I attempted to change my php memory_limit from 8MB to 32MB for an online-application, although it appeared to have worked, the software is still indicating 8MB. I changed php.ini and tried an .htaccess filei n the root dir of the website. Neither apparently worked. Any ideas? |
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| 23:50.41 | stopher | NETWizz: You can NetBoot the other computers, and install from there. Image the drive, then netboot that newly created wanted image ont he other computers for install...might work? |
| 23:51.07 | stopher | Oh, you just wanted a package, not install. sorry. |
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| 23:56.36 | stopher | I just tried .htaccess again, and it failed miserably. |
| 23:56.45 | lhrrwcc | how i unhold a package? |
| 23:57.01 | lhrrwcc | echo "package" | dpkg --set-selections ? |
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| 23:57.21 | lhrrwcc | stopher, i don't see how this is debian specific |
| 23:57.34 | abrotman | lhrrwcc: just install it |
| 23:57.47 | lhrrwcc | abrotman, its installed. |
| 23:57.50 | abrotman | stoned: restart apache |
| 23:57.51 | mnvl_ | anyone else on etch have problems with dogslow responsiveness since the most recent update of iceweasel?? |
| 23:57.55 | abrotman | lhrrwcc: i know .. isntall it again |
| 23:58.08 | lhrrwcc | ok, thanks |
| 23:58.09 | abrotman | !held back |
| 23:58.09 | dpkg | somebody said kept back was when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade". The safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get -s install <kept-package>' and see why it wasn't automatically upgrading the package |
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| 23:58.58 | lhrrwcc | this is all because bad algorithms |
