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| 00:00.49 | jetscreamer | !confmiss |
| 00:00.49 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 00:01.15 | vlt | Hello. Does anyone know an easy way to enlarge a vfat fs (on /dev/loop0)? |
| 00:01.26 | harpal | Is there any command which can run some aommand on remote computer without ssh |
| 00:01.32 | abrotman | rsh! |
| 00:02.02 | lcd15000 | you should use ssh if possible |
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| 00:02.44 | harpal | here my ssh not working so I wouls like to restart my remote machine |
| 00:03.17 | lcd15000 | rsh or telnet but both are less secure |
| 00:03.35 | abrotman | s/less/not/ |
| 00:03.50 | lcd15000 | ==true |
| 00:04.01 | vlt | harpal: If you aren't prepared for such a case you will have to walk there ... Imagine anyone else could restart your server w/o ssh!!! |
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| 00:05.51 | abrotman | peterS: i'm surprised he hasn't been arrested in this country! |
| 00:06.22 | peterS | abrotman: well, it happened in .au |
| 00:06.27 | peterS | where tridge lives |
| 00:06.45 | peterS | but that's a good point |
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| 00:06.47 | abrotman | like that's stopped the gov't before :) |
| 00:06.50 | chronographer | Hello I have trouble with gthumb, when i choose import photos it stalls, run it from command line gives this error: Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_progress_set_percentage: assertion `percentage >= 0 && percentage <= 1.0' failed Any ideas? |
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| 00:07.13 | liable | why should he be arrested? |
| 00:07.16 | abrotman | yeah .. gtk does that all the time |
| 00:07.25 | chronographer | can i stop gtk from doing that? |
| 00:07.32 | peterS | (tridge meaning Andrew Tridgell, the guy who invented the rsync algorithm, and incidentally also founded the samba project) |
| 00:07.42 | abrotman | i knew who you meant! |
| 00:07.51 | chronographer | I want to look at my photos of my friends car being creaned to safety! |
| 00:07.57 | chronographer | *craned |
| 00:08.09 | abrotman | use eog or feh ? |
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| 00:08.32 | peterS | chronographer: yeah I've always had good luck with both eog and feh. eog has a friendlier interface, feh has other interesting features. |
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| 00:08.58 | chronographer | ? for photos? |
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| 00:09.20 | abrotman | for images |
| 00:09.44 | chronographer | ok, it imports also eh? In apt-get install feh ?? |
| 00:10.04 | peterS | chronographer: right, eog and feh are both packages you can install. try both, see what you think |
| 00:10.16 | peterS | eog meaning eye of gnome, which I think is a really cool name |
| 00:10.28 | abrotman | and eog is dead simple to use |
| 00:10.43 | chronographer | ok thanks. what do you think of f-spot? and eog first then =) |
| 00:10.52 | peterS | I haven't tried f-spot |
| 00:10.57 | chronographer | k |
| 00:11.02 | peterS | isn't that the image manager app written in C#? |
| 00:11.03 | frankr | f-spot is nice but it segfaulted a couple times on me |
| 00:11.04 | antgel | f-spot does the job for me |
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| 00:11.23 | frankr | it does the job tho I just use the tags thingy for albums |
| 00:11.32 | chronographer | f-spot doesn't import for me |
| 00:11.45 | Yns | is debian really stable? great blog post-> http://s4.gladiatus.net/game/c.php?uid=40624 |
| 00:11.49 | rrbiz | someone know about the capturing formats one can use in linux and the compression rates and such ? |
| 00:11.55 | chronographer | it imp[orts all blank files... the number of files on my camera but devoid of pixels ?? |
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| 00:11.57 | peterS | I think I tried an early version of f-spot, but at the time I didn't have a digital camera so I didn't actually need any of its features |
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| 00:13.08 | NETWizz | What if I want to deploy only one package to a computer lab full of computers? |
| 00:13.14 | chronographer | can eog import photos? |
| 00:13.16 | peterS | yns's "great blog post" seems to be a near-empty page with a few links on it. I wonder if it does anything annoying if you're in a graphical browser. |
| 00:13.17 | NETWizz | Would it be easiest to create a repository on the lan? |
| 00:13.42 | peterS | chronographer: it is only a viewer. it shows thumbnails of a given directory full of photos. that's about it. |
| 00:14.05 | frankr | Anyone have experience with US robotics sportster external modems? |
| 00:14.19 | magyar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.28 | frankr | going on vacation.. need a dialup solution and I found this thing in one of my storage spaces |
| 00:14.34 | antgel | !tell magyar about whois |
| 00:14.53 | frankr | I can't even figure out how much power it needs |
| 00:14.55 | chronographer | well that doesn't solve my problem with importing photos with gthumb |
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| 00:15.33 | yos | my code in php jump CPU to 99% cpu ..i optimize the script. is theer any php.ini configure ?? when to much data MB send to mysql ? |
| 00:15.37 | peterS | chronographer: what do you mean by "import"? why should an app have to import anything? I thought the point was to view your jpegs |
| 00:15.55 | abrotman | chronographer: just install eog .. it's small .. and easy to use |
| 00:16.01 | chronographer | yeah, get them from camera first |
| 00:16.06 | chronographer | i mean! |
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| 00:16.20 | peterS | yos: see /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini or /etc/php4/apache/php.ini or similar, depending on your version of php and your version of apache |
| 00:16.33 | chronographer | Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_progress_set_percentage: assertion `percentage >= 0 && percentage <= 1.0' failed Happens when i click 'import' in the gthumb import photos dialog |
| 00:16.43 | chronographer | sorry about that, I wasn't very specific |
| 00:16.44 | peterS | chronographer: oh, I just use gphoto2 for importing photos from a camera. 'gphoto2 -P' grabs everything. |
| 00:16.59 | chronographer | oh really? |
| 00:17.05 | peterS | chronographer: gphoto2 isn't a GUI app, just command line, but if it supports your camera, it's a pretty simple command |
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| 00:17.54 | chronographer | ok cool, is there a file to edit to tell it where to move my pic's to? |
| 00:18.16 | chronographer | don't tell me.... man gphoto2 =) |
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| 00:18.56 | peterS | chronographer: it just puts them in the current directory |
| 00:19.01 | chronographer | i see] |
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| 00:19.29 | bisconsin | buenas |
| 00:19.36 | chronographer | that works |
| 00:19.37 | peterS | chronographer: the other thing is, it's a bit awkward to have it only download new photos, 'gphoto2 -P' downloads everything, even if it's already present in your directory. then it asks you if you want to replace each file that you already have. so I run it as 'yes n | gphoto2 -P' |
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| 00:19.57 | chronographer | right |
| 00:19.59 | peterS | the 'yes n |' part is a unix trick to answer "n" to every question asked |
| 00:20.11 | chronographer | ok |
| 00:20.12 | bisconsin | meu problema http://www.guiadohardware.net/comunidade/problema-boot/763860/ |
| 00:20.30 | peterS | bisconsin: you probably want #debian-br |
| 00:20.42 | bisconsin | [peterS]: thanks |
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| 00:21.16 | peterS | I wonder if people from portugal use #debian-br too |
| 00:21.18 | chronographer | I would like to automate this a bit though... the gphoto dialog is great, i tell it where to put pics, it does it.. so althoug hgphoto2 is working as we speak. Thanks for that.. I would like to solve the gphoto --import-photos problem too... |
| 00:21.37 | peterS | chronographer: can't help ya, I only use gphoto2 |
| 00:21.58 | chronographer | ok thanks |
| 00:22.01 | peterS | I love how it detects my camera and uses it by default, with zero setup. five years ago that would have been pretty amazing for a linux app |
| 00:22.40 | zinx | peterS: these days it does that for pretty much all the supported cameras |
| 00:22.43 | peterS | ("oh hey, of the 400 kinds of camera I support, this guy has #244 installed. let's use that driver and that camera then") |
| 00:23.03 | chronographer | yeah.. it just worked for me then. if only I could write code, I would make a simple gui so i coul tell it where to put my pics! |
| 00:23.06 | zinx | peterS: what we need now is improved 802.11*, and bluetooth that doesn't completely suck |
| 00:23.35 | peterS | chronographer: that's what f-spot and friends are supposed to do. but I haven't used those, and you didn't have much luck with them I guess. |
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| 00:24.04 | chronographer | nope. f-spot as i said earlier imports blank files off my camera. Its great for browsing images though! |
| 00:24.12 | peterS | ah, heh |
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| 00:28.41 | chronographer | Thanks all for your help! |
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| 00:29.45 | jdude1284 | Hey guys - I am trying to set up PXE and I've installed tftpd-hpa, added entries into my hosts.allow, I can even tftp from a local system -- my question is though, is there a way to tell xinet.d or tftpd-hpa to listen for requests on a specific network adapter? I think it is defaulting to eth0, but I want it to listen on eth1 instead... |
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| 00:34.15 | JaguarNegro | KDE/Konqueror is not mounting pen drives automatically anymore. Pmount is installed and working and all kio_slaves are corrected installed. Could anyone enlight me? |
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| 00:37.01 | jetscreamer | ok how the hell do i find out what package supplies id ? everything has id in it's name it seems? i know apt-file, apt-cache.. but what regex-fu do i use to trim the big huge long list down? |
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| 00:37.11 | jetscreamer | i know it's /usr/bin/id |
| 00:37.45 | lakcaj | coreutils: usr/bin/id |
| 00:39.18 | lakcaj | jetscreamer ^^^ |
| 00:39.39 | jetscreamer | ahhh coreutils thankee.. but how.... |
| 00:39.47 | lakcaj | two ways: |
| 00:39.48 | jetscreamer | my regex-fu is weak |
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| 00:40.20 | lakcaj | first, before checking that I already had it installed, I used apt-file. apt-file search /usr/bin/id |
| 00:40.35 | lcd15000 | does anyone have experience with channel bonding? |
| 00:40.36 | jetscreamer | ahhh i jsut did apt-file search id |grep /usr/bin |
| 00:40.51 | lakcaj | but if I had checked that it was already installed, I easily could have done a dpkg -S /usr/bin/id |
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| 00:41.10 | lakcaj | as in, what package (S)upplies /usr/bin/id |
| 00:41.14 | jetscreamer | -S tells you the container ahh |
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| 00:49.28 | mikess | real?? |
| 00:49.37 | Guerin | fake |
| 00:50.02 | drbair | I keep getting errors in my log like so: "cron[31938]: segfault at 0000000000000000 rip 0000000000000000 rsp 00007fff8305b4e8 error 14". This happens each and everytime cron has something to do. I ran it through strace and got this: http://pastebin.ca/642903. Etch AMD64 |
| 00:50.11 | mikess | debian support new core duo laptops,? |
| 00:50.24 | antgel | yes, real ones |
| 00:50.37 | Guerin | mikess: search on specific part numbers. /msg dpkg hcl |
| 00:51.19 | lcd15000 | segfaults usually mean hdd(s) are failing |
| 00:51.23 | Guerin | no |
| 00:51.32 | Guerin | segfasults usually mean *RAM* is failing |
| 00:51.57 | krazykit | mikess, yeah |
| 00:52.16 | krazykit | mikess, well, as much as the kernel supports the newer hardware. the processor itself is supported well |
| 00:52.30 | mikess | krazykit: cheers |
| 00:52.47 | drbair | Guerin: not RAM... the machine is stable and survived 48 hours of memtest+. Only cron jobs seg fault and EVERY one segfaults 100% of the time |
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| 00:54.45 | antgel | drbair: is the binary corrupt? |
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| 00:55.49 | Guerin | drbair: ok, cool. The other major culprit is library corruption. |
| 00:56.01 | Guerin | mm, as antgel said |
| 00:56.05 | Guerin | so run debsums |
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| 00:56.15 | antgel | Guerin: yo, LTNS |
| 00:56.27 | dondelelcaro | drbair: yeah that's not paritcularly useful |
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| 00:56.45 | dondelelcaro | drbair: you're going to have to run crontab with cores on and get a backtrace of it |
| 00:56.47 | jetscreamer | lakcaj: thanks again btw |
| 00:56.53 | Guerin | antgel: YAIUTM |
| 00:56.55 | lakcaj | np |
| 00:57.00 | jetscreamer | Guerin: you're the 'i love ion' guy aren't you |
| 00:57.02 | dondelelcaro | drbair: ideally with an unstripped cron |
| 00:57.10 | Guerin | jetscreamer: nope |
| 00:57.12 | jetscreamer | o |
| 00:57.22 | mainer | anyone having any problems with the gkrellweather plugin for gkrellm2?,in Etch? |
| 00:57.27 | antgel | whoosh |
| 00:57.32 | jetscreamer | somebody runs it.. not that i care, i was just trying to remember earlier |
| 00:57.35 | dondelelcaro | mainer: if someone is, there probably will be bugs filed for it |
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| 00:57.43 | dondelelcaro | mainer: check the bts |
| 00:57.47 | Guerin | !yaiutm is Your Acronym Is Unknown To Me |
| 00:57.48 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 00:58.03 | mainer | dondelelcaro: yuh,k,thanks |
| 00:58.26 | antgel | Guerin: heh, i was just googling. Long Time No See. last i remember you were going on your mammoth cross-globe trip |
| 00:58.44 | drbair | dondelelcaro: I wasn't able to get a core out of it (cores enabled... but nothing happens for cron). Its not cron that crashing... its the children |
| 00:58.57 | antgel | then i stopped irc'ing due to RSI and #d-o |
| 00:59.13 | antgel | (taking up too much of my working day) |
| 00:59.22 | dondelelcaro | drbair: oh; do you know which cronjob it is that is dying? or is it the forked crons which run the children? |
| 00:59.40 | lcd15000 | what is the purpose of yes |
| 00:59.48 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Beware those who run with forked crons. |
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| 01:00.02 | dondelelcaro | lcd15000: to output lots of the same line for stupid programs that ask questions |
| 01:00.03 | karsten | (not to mention the children) |
| 01:00.16 | drbair | dondelelcaro: its every job, so i guess it would be the forked crons.... so maybe it is cron that dies |
| 01:00.38 | lcd15000 | lol |
| 01:00.39 | karsten | lcd15000: 'yes' repeats 'y' (or anything else provided as input) infinitely. Stick it on a pipe to send that to stdin of some process. |
| 01:00.41 | dondelelcaro | drbair: yeah, if it's cron that's dying, it should core and write it; if you don't see it, try running it under gdb. |
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| 01:01.44 | lcd15000 | was told to use it to spike cpus to check for cpu errors, is there a more efficent way of doing this? |
| 01:01.48 | drbair | dondelelcaro: i'll run it under gdb... thanks |
| 01:02.00 | antgel | !tell lcd15000 about cpuburn |
| 01:02.07 | antgel | doh |
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| 01:02.39 | antgel | lcd15000: aptitude install cpuburn |
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| 01:03.32 | slidesinger | Just replaced one of my HDDs. hdb1 /home; hdb2 /var; hdb3 /tmp; hdb4 swap. Is there anything I need to do to prep the swap partition besides setting the type to 82? |
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| 01:04.10 | dondelelcaro | drbair: but most likely you're going to find that you've got some library that cron links against which is either corrupted or not the one that debian distributes; ldd /usr/sbin/crond; may be helpful. |
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| 01:04.15 | antgel | dpkg: cpuburn is a collection of programs designed to stress a CPU. NB Comes with lots of disclaimers - be careful. |
| 01:04.16 | dpkg | okay, antgel |
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| 01:04.24 | dondelelcaro | s/crond/cron/ |
| 01:04.29 | antgel | slidesinger: mkswap, perchance? |
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| 01:05.25 | drbair | dondelelcaro: ldd comes up clean... It'd be nice if dpkg kept a running list of md5's of installed files |
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| 01:06.47 | karsten | lcd15000: Lots of kernel compiles is also good. cpuburn should thermally stress CPUs, but a compile will work the logic, cache, etc. |
| 01:07.17 | slidesinger | Yeah, that's probably it. I think I remember doing that about 9 years ago. |
| 01:07.27 | dondelelcaro | drbair: it does, actually. |
| 01:07.46 | karsten | "Rent's due, you're on probation at work, girlfriend's late, Mom's birthday's tomorrow and you haven't even sent a card, and your phone's out 'coz you forgot to pay the bill". |
| 01:07.58 | peterS | dondelelcaro: well, it only does if the package ships a md5 file. which I think is rather silly, it could calculate them just as well as it unpacks |
| 01:08.06 | Bagseed | i just installed debian etch and am getting the following error when trying apt-get update |
| 01:08.09 | Bagseed | W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian.org etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 01:08.16 | Bagseed | gpgv is installed |
| 01:08.27 | dondelelcaro | drbair: md5sum --check /var/lib/dpkg/info/cron.md5sums |grep -v OK; |
| 01:08.31 | antgel | "your neighbour just got the new 330ci with sport pack and wooden gearknob" |
| 01:08.50 | drbair | dondelelcaro: don't suppose there is a way to verify the whole system is there? |
| 01:09.06 | dondelelcaro | drbair: cd /; md5sum --check /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sums |grep -v OK; |
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| 01:09.19 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Heading up to LinuxWorld? |
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| 01:09.39 | dondelelcaro | peterS: all packages should be shipping an md5sum file; the issue with calculating them at install time is you're not sure if the package has been mauled or if it's the file on the filesystem |
| 01:10.17 | dondelelcaro | karsten: yeah |
| 01:10.20 | lcd15000 | cpuburn is gui wont work for me |
| 01:10.26 | drbair | dondelelcaro: awesome! thanks |
| 01:10.52 | dondelelcaro | drbair: there's also debsums which basically does the above. |
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| 01:11.06 | karsten | dondelelcaro: What days? |
| 01:11.06 | lectures4ever | Hello |
| 01:11.11 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I'm up Monday PM. |
| 01:11.14 | dondelelcaro | karsten: all of them; I'm organizing the booth again |
| 01:11.25 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Cool. |
| 01:11.36 | dondelelcaro | karsten: I should be in SF on monday, but I don't know if I'm going to make it in time to be at moscone |
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| 01:11.57 | lectures4ever | i have a question: if I run my iptables from one of the shell tty's (ctrl+alt+1-6) and then log out from that shell, will that stop the iptables running |
| 01:12.04 | dondelelcaro | lectures4ever: no |
| 01:12.06 | Red_Cloud | Does anyone here have ebox firewall installed on their machine? |
| 01:12.09 | karsten | IBM party's that night, got an email on it somewhere. I can make it up another evening possibly. |
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| 01:12.30 | dondelelcaro | karsten: huh; didn't get the email about it |
| 01:12.31 | lectures4ever | dondelelcaro, i'm not getting the log output it usually puts out |
| 01:12.34 | drbair | dondelelcaro: well bad news is that all came up clean with the sums |
| 01:12.37 | lectures4ever | dondelcaro: thanks |
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| 01:12.53 | dondelelcaro | drbair: that's odd; can you show the ldd output? |
| 01:13.01 | lectures4ever | me ? |
| 01:13.26 | karsten | dondelelcaro: msg |
| 01:13.30 | dondelelcaro | lectures4ever: nah; drbair. The log output goes to printk or whatever the kernel has defined nowadays |
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| 01:14.02 | drbair | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.ca/644968 |
| 01:14.12 | baggend | The Debian menu under my Gnome Applications menu seems to have disappeared. Any ideas how I can get it back? |
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| 01:14.50 | slidesinger | antgel: Thank you, that did it. |
| 01:15.16 | j777m | can anyone provide me with a link to set up a firewall? |
| 01:15.21 | dondelelcaro | drbair: yeah, that looks fine to me |
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| 01:15.36 | dondelelcaro | drbair: next stop gdb |
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| 01:16.04 | Guerin | j777m: feayn.org/~lewis/iptables.txt |
| 01:16.09 | dondelelcaro | drbair: if the backtrace from gdb doesn't look useful, you may need to rebuild it (but it's quite possible that the rebuilt cron won't crash) |
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| 01:16.41 | dondelelcaro | baggend: you right click or something on the menu and add it back; there's a thread on -devel about it iirc. |
| 01:16.41 | slidesinger | j777m: here is the one I used to set up my firewall, though it is a bit dated (2.4 kernel) http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-bridge-fw.en.html |
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| 01:17.19 | slidesinger | j777m: Even so, it does cover the basics. |
| 01:17.48 | wiebel | hi there, i just managed to build some packages and installed them al right, but now a apt-get upgrade overwrites my packages, how can i prevent this? |
| 01:18.23 | dondelelcaro | wiebel: you have two options: 1) put the packages on hold 2) make the versions of your packages larger than the ones installed, probably by using an epoch. |
| 01:18.31 | j777m | Guerin: thanks, can I just make that executable and run it at every startup? |
| 01:18.48 | wiebel | dondelelcaro, epoch? |
| 01:18.52 | Guerin | j777m: you should edit it to your needs. But yeah, that's the idea. |
| 01:18.58 | dondelelcaro | !epoch |
| 01:18.58 | dpkg | i guess epoch is the end of an era. For example y2k was a 2 digit year epoch. The unix epoch on 32 bit hardware isn't until Jan 18 2038, by which time we will probably have all migrated to 64 bit architectures. It's also a version number orderer used by the debian packaging software. For example: 2:0.0.0 is a higher version than 9.9.9 by itself. |
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| 01:19.02 | j777m | slidesinger: thanks for the link, ill check it out |
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| 01:20.03 | mainer | wiebel: or use ./configure --prefix=/usr/local or /usr/local/pkgname if using multiple versions of same pkg is an option |
| 01:20.13 | dondelelcaro | ugh. don't do that. |
| 01:20.21 | wiebel | dondelelcaro, ok but that seems too far, i do like it to get updated, only not by the same version, as i made hot-bugfix |
| 01:20.48 | wiebel | mainer, thx, but no i only need it once |
| 01:21.17 | dondelelcaro | wiebel: then you want something like 1.1-1 turns into 1.1+1 or similar. |
| 01:21.23 | wiebel | i got auctex fixed for emacs22 and libsdl1.2debian with disabled vm-fullscreen |
| 01:21.25 | mainer | well apt-pinning or using hold via aptitude then |
| 01:21.50 | dondelelcaro | wiebel: oh, the auctex thing is just a trivial fix; no need to even bother to build a package for it |
| 01:22.21 | wiebel | dondelelcaro, i get the picture, thx, do you know the reason why it overwrites the same versions? |
| 01:22.37 | drbair | dondelelcaro: gdb gives me absolutely nothing... guess its off to rebuild the package from the src-debs |
| 01:22.51 | wiebel | dondelelcaro, ok it's not rocket science but how is it done without pkg? |
| 01:23.06 | dondelelcaro | wiebel: if the metadata of the package has changed, it assumes that the local version is jacked, and that it needs to be reinstalled. |
| 01:23.06 | wiebel | i'm on lenny btw |
| 01:24.11 | wiebel | dondelelcaro, ahh ok, that makes sence,from a safety pov |
| 01:24.13 | eldowan | wiebel: does he mind? |
| 01:24.30 | mainer | lol |
| 01:24.32 | dondelelcaro | wiebel: in the auctex case, you can just make the change to /usr/lib/emacsen-common/packages/install/auctex on the filesystem and then just run /usr/lib/emacsen-common/packages/install/auctex emacs22; |
| 01:24.59 | dondelelcaro | (at least, that's what I've done until the next release of auctex, which will probably fix the issue) |
| 01:25.07 | wiebel | i hope it doesn't, i have thinkpad it can stand my weight *g* |
| 01:25.19 | wiebel | @eldowan |
| 01:25.25 | slidesinger | Just replaced one of my HDDs. hdb1 /home; hdb2 /var; hdb3 /tmp; hdb4 swap. I used ( cd /home/; tar cfv - . ) | ( cd /mnt/newhome/; tar xfp -) and ( cd /var/; tar cfv - . ) | ( cd /mnt/newvar/; tar xfp -) to copy the data while preserving permissions. |
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| 01:25.48 | slidesinger | When I try to run X I get the following error: Xsession: X session started for jtatum at Fri Aug 3 21:09:43 EDT 2007 |
| 01:25.48 | slidesinger | open: Permission denied. |
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| 01:26.09 | slidesinger | If I replace the old HDD, everything works. Any clues? |
| 01:26.27 | dondelelcaro | slidesinger: what are the permissions on ~/.xsession and what is in /tmp/ ? |
| 01:26.36 | Guerin | i guess /tmp is the problem |
| 01:26.53 | peterS | slidesinger: fyi, 'cp -ax' is easier than tar | untar. the -a preserves permissions, the -x prevents crossing mount points, so you can use it on things like / |
| 01:26.55 | wiebel | dondelelcaro, just a (emacs21|emacs-snapshot) -> (emacs21|emacs22|emacs-snapshot) or is there more to do? |
| 01:26.58 | dondelelcaro | yeah, most likely /tmp/.X11-unix is jacked |
| 01:27.02 | dondelelcaro | wiebel: yeah, that's it |
| 01:27.19 | wiebel | nice, thx |
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| 01:28.00 | peterS | slidesinger: if it is /tmp/.X11-unix as dondelelcaro thinks, just nuking it and restarting xdm (or startx) should be fine |
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| 01:28.30 | wiebel | dondelelcaro, for my sdl package is there a way to change the version without recompiling it? it takes ages |
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| 01:28.55 | dondelelcaro | wiebel: yeah, you can use dpkg-deb -x; dpkg-deb -e, munge DEBIAN/control; and then dpkg-deb -b; |
| 01:28.57 | peterS | wiebel: edit the top line of debian/changelog, then 'dpkg-buildpackage -nc', the -nc means don't clean first, so it may build faster |
| 01:29.00 | dondelelcaro | wiebel: man dpkg-deb; for details on it |
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| 01:29.18 | DimeNocBR_Filipe | lets say i execute the command: cat file |grep string -> how can i specify string to be found ignoring case sensitive? |
| 01:29.39 | peterS | DimeNocBR_Filipe: grep -i |
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| 01:29.43 | DimeNocBR_Filipe | thanks! |
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| 01:29.55 | peterS | DimeNocBR_Filipe: also, 'grep -i string file' is quicker to type (this is known as a Useless Use of Cat) |
| 01:30.01 | baggend | dondelelcaro: You wouldn't happen to know the subject line of the -devel discussion about the broken menus would you? I'm looking through the debian-devel archives with no luck. |
| 01:30.12 | DimeNocBR_Filipe | awsome, thanks |
| 01:30.15 | slidesinger | That didn't do it. brb |
| 01:31.17 | dondelelcaro | baggend: adding desktop files to misc packages |
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| 01:31.55 | baggend | dondelelcaro: Ah, I see it. Thanks. |
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| 01:32.44 | drbair | how does one keep debugging symbols while using apt-src? |
| 01:32.56 | Guerin | drbair: edit debian/rules |
| 01:33.05 | dondelelcaro | DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip" |
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| 01:33.15 | karsten | Oh, cool. ifstate is now maintained in /dev/shm. Guaranteed to be clean at reboot. |
| 01:33.16 | drbair | thanks |
| 01:33.17 | dondelelcaro | (as required by policy) |
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| 01:35.27 | karsten | laters. |
| 01:35.32 | frankr | Is there any way to list all device connected to com ports? |
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| 01:35.45 | frankr | I have amodem connected to a paralell port but I'm not sure how to initialize it or anything. |
| 01:36.09 | Guerin | frankr: a parallel port isn';t a com port |
| 01:36.11 | karsten | frankr: 'atdt\nat ok' |
| 01:36.21 | karsten | frankr: ... or similar. And serial, not parallel. |
| 01:36.26 | wiebel | thx dondelelcaro & peterS |
| 01:36.34 | frankr | well its one of the longer 25pin ones |
| 01:36.41 | frankr | I haven't used this kinda stuff in forever |
| 01:36.45 | karsten | frankr: echoing that string at /dev/com<#> should initialize it properly. |
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| 01:37.11 | karsten | frankr: There's a larger style comport, but that's still not parallel. Look up a ports standard somewhere. |
| 01:37.39 | dondelelcaro | DB9 vs DB25 |
| 01:37.56 | peterS | frankr: you can tell because on a standard PC, a parallel ports are female, serial ports are male |
| 01:37.59 | dondelelcaro | and generally there's no way to tell if something is plugged in unless you try to initialize it |
| 01:38.17 | frankr | ah. It's female. |
| 01:38.18 | dondelelcaro | (or otherwise toy with it) |
| 01:38.18 | Guerin | but they're a dumb enough technology that they Just Work if plugged in |
| 01:38.26 | Guerin | if they don't it's very likely a hardware problem |
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| 01:39.19 | peterS | frankr: you mean the cable is female? if the port on the computer is female, it probably is a parallel port. but modems don't use parallel ports, so. |
| 01:39.32 | frankr | the port on the computer is female |
| 01:39.37 | frankr | the cable is male to male |
| 01:39.43 | frankr | the port on the modem is female as well |
| 01:39.48 | Guerin | funky |
| 01:39.52 | peterS | yeah, that's funky |
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| 01:40.09 | Guerin | i wonder if it's a printer-like devic3e |
| 01:40.14 | peterS | I never heard of a parallel port modem. not that such a thing _couldn't_ exist, but I don't think the parallel port has a standard for the 'phone ring' pin |
| 01:40.28 | dondelelcaro | frankr: http://www.cablesdirect.com/prodimages/CC336-FS_LR.jpg <-- this is a female port. |
| 01:40.31 | peterS | (rs232 serial ports do have such a pin) |
| 01:40.57 | frankr | its a us robotics sportster which was apparently a popular model about 10 years ago |
| 01:41.07 | frankr | I just need some dialup for when I go on vacation, this is becoming a headache |
| 01:41.10 | peterS | yes the sportster series were very popular |
| 01:41.21 | simonrvn | i have 2 of them, or did. still have one at least |
| 01:41.29 | peterS | I wonder if you've got the wrong sort of cable, and the cable is supposed to actually be male -> female |
| 01:41.33 | frankr | the old laptop I'm taking has an agere winmodem built in but I coudln't get the kernel module to compile, there was very little documentation |
| 01:41.37 | dondelelcaro | I actually don't know where my sportsters went |
| 01:41.40 | frankr | iunno but |
| 01:41.44 | frankr | if I don't plug in the cable |
| 01:41.48 | frankr | two less lights on the modem go on |
| 01:41.52 | simonrvn | frankr: winmodems are usually just doorstops |
| 01:42.09 | peterS | nah they're too flimsy to be doorstops, as they're just a PCB |
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| 01:42.12 | Guerin | i actually made an intel-based winmodem work on 2.4 |
| 01:42.12 | frankr | simonrvn: there was actually a lot of material online calling them "linmodems" and such |
| 01:42.17 | Guerin | my mum uses it every day |
| 01:42.24 | simonrvn | frankr: ojnly some work |
| 01:42.44 | frankr | according to the page the ones labeled agere were supposed to work but I couldn't even get the kernel module to compile |
| 01:42.51 | simonrvn | peterS: paperweight? :) |
| 01:42.52 | frankr | Guerin: what was the kernel module you used? |
| 01:42.55 | Guerin | frankr: try building against 2.4 |
| 01:43.02 | Guerin | frankr: mm, let me see |
| 01:43.37 | frankr | it was probably martian or ltmodem |
| 01:43.53 | Guerin | no, it was somethign else, beginning with A |
| 01:44.38 | frankr | huh, thats odd.. I haven't heard of it, then |
| 01:45.12 | frankr | I'm pretty sure Agere Systems makes all the chipsets.. but I don't remember a kernel module starting with A.. eh, iunno |
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| 01:45.34 | Guerin | Ambient - the driver was one of these http://developer.intel.com/design/modems/support/drivers.htm |
| 01:45.57 | Guerin | Ambient were a different crowd, bought by Intel and discontinued |
| 01:46.11 | Guerin | but they provide clean linux drivers up until 2.4 |
| 01:46.18 | frankr | ah, damn |
| 01:46.59 | drbair | can't get debug symbols out of this thing... added the appropriate string to debian/rules and recompiled, installed the resulting deb, and gdb still gives me (no debugging symbols found) and thats it |
| 01:47.07 | frankr | this one http://www.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/heby/ltmodem/ claims to support them |
| 01:48.11 | frankr | damn.. m-a doesn't know of ltmodem |
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| 01:52.05 | metbsd | what's the difference betwee switch and hub |
| 01:52.39 | wiebel | switching is one level higher |
| 01:55.28 | Guerin | metbsd: a hub is traffic lights; a switch is a roundabout |
| 01:56.08 | metbsd | what about bridge |
| 01:56.15 | Guerin | a bridge is a bridge |
| 01:56.22 | metbsd | is bridge like switch? |
| 01:56.25 | Guerin | no |
| 01:56.27 | Guerin | njot at all |
| 01:56.30 | metbsd | and many bridges connection is like a switch |
| 01:58.22 | eldowan | metbsd: I may be out of date, but IIRC; a bridge is generally a 1:1 translator, where as a switch may provide 1:n or n:n connections without translation |
| 01:58.42 | metbsd | but what about hub |
| 01:58.54 | metbsd | hub is also 1:n |
| 01:58.55 | eldowan | metbsd: a hub is just a powered multi tap. |
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| 01:59.19 | slidesinger | dondelelcaro: permissions for ~/.xsession: -rw-r--r-- 1 jtatum jtatum 19 2007-08-03 21:46 /home/jtatum/.xsession |
| 01:59.21 | metbsd | i still don't get it |
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| 01:59.46 | eldowan | metbsd: a switch, once it makes a connection provides a 'virtual circuit' to make any further conversation between hosts very quick without sending packets to everyone. a hub is like a loud speaker. a switch is like a paging system, and then a transfer to a semi-private area. |
| 01:59.49 | kervan | Hi. Where can I find Kernel-Vanilla. Kernel.org does not publish this version. Can you help me please? |
| 01:59.50 | dragon | is there any way to add spell check to scite? |
| 01:59.54 | Guerin | *very* quick |
| 02:00.07 | Guerin | as opposed to a hub, which bogs down as soon as you plug much into it |
| 02:00.10 | slidesinger | ltsp-dev:/tmp# ls -a |
| 02:00.10 | slidesinger | . .. .ICE-unix kde-root ksocket-root lost+found .X11-unix |
| 02:00.16 | metbsd | so hub sucks |
| 02:00.20 | metbsd | it's useless |
| 02:00.23 | eldowan | !prize metbsd |
| 02:00.35 | Guerin | kervan: the vanilla kernel is the plain stock linux kernel from linux.org, without a -suffix |
| 02:00.37 | eldowan | metbsd: well, it does have a use. if you have nothing else, it could work. |
| 02:00.40 | metbsd | why would anyone want a hub then, right? |
| 02:00.49 | Guerin | metbsd: because they're cheap and require no config |
| 02:00.53 | Guerin | just plug in and go |
| 02:01.04 | metbsd | switch require what config |
| 02:01.31 | eldowan | metbsd: for small workgroups, or a small home network they can work just as well as a switch. the problem starts comming in when you add many hosts to the network, or have multiple computers doing high amounts of traffic. |
| 02:01.54 | metbsd | but hub send every packets to every hosts |
| 02:01.56 | eldowan | metbsd: a switch could require configuration to subdivide itself into two spererate switches. |
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| 02:02.16 | blake__ | i love debian! |
| 02:02.18 | blake__ | :-D |
| 02:02.19 | eldowan | metbsd: correct. and thus the problem of using a hub in a data-dense environment. |
| 02:02.21 | Guerin | !aww |
| 02:02.22 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 02:02.33 | tehblaker | debian ftw! |
| 02:02.39 | metbsd | so hub is useless and should be replaced by switch |
| 02:02.47 | eldowan | metbsd: rule of thumb, yes. |
| 02:02.49 | Guerin | metbsd: only if it's causing performance problems |
| 02:02.57 | metbsd | what is bridge |
| 02:03.08 | Guerin | i used a hub for years on my 5-box network and it was all good because only one bvox was using much datas |
| 02:03.09 | metbsd | i know bridge is 1:1 |
| 02:03.23 | eldowan | metbsd: a bridge could be used to change frame-relay into tcp/ip without routing IIRC. |
| 02:03.31 | tehblaker | hmmm |
| 02:03.35 | tehblaker | could it? |
| 02:03.36 | eldowan | metbsd: its like a 1:1 protocol translator. |
| 02:03.40 | tehblaker | i suppose it could, it depends |
| 02:03.41 | tehblaker | lawl |
| 02:04.01 | Guerin | the most common usage of a bridhe is to bindd two pipes into one |
| 02:04.12 | Guerin | but that's not strictly what they're *for* |
| 02:04.15 | metbsd | now |
| 02:04.23 | eldowan | mind you that I'm not up to date on my bridge information, so what I'm spouting could be very well off the mark there. |
| 02:04.25 | Guerin | man, my tpynig scuks |
| 02:04.26 | metbsd | i want to host some server behinds a router |
| 02:04.30 | tehblaker | im not a huge fan of freebsd, but i love debian |
| 02:04.31 | metbsd | i need to redirect ports right? |
| 02:04.34 | tehblaker | :-) |
| 02:04.35 | eldowan | metbsd: yes |
| 02:04.40 | Guerin | metbsd: yes. |
| 02:04.46 | tehblaker | metbsd: yes |
| 02:04.48 | kervan | Guerin: do you think is this a vanilla kernel source : http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.22.tar.gz |
| 02:04.54 | Guerin | i recommend openbsd/pf |
| 02:04.57 | eldowan | kervan: looks that way |
| 02:05.02 | metbsd | that'll be annoying if have many different servers behind |
| 02:05.03 | Guerin | kervan: that is indeed. |
| 02:05.24 | metbsd | like, i have webserver so i recirect http port |
| 02:05.25 | Guerin | metbsd: it will be, yes. WHich is a good incentive to run a minimal setup. |
| 02:05.27 | metbsd | and ssh |
| 02:05.34 | eldowan | metbsd: it can be annoying and a chore to maintain. |
| 02:05.35 | metbsd | and ftp |
| 02:05.39 | Guerin | metbsd: yes, you'll need (at least) one rule per service |
| 02:05.41 | tehblaker | k |
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| 02:05.45 | lontra | kervan: why do you want a vanilla kernel if i may ask? i prefer chocolate ones ... |
| 02:05.49 | metbsd | no better solution? |
| 02:06.00 | Guerin | metbsd: ipv6? |
| 02:06.02 | eldowan | metbsd: are you limited to one external address? |
| 02:06.08 | pingouin | !amd64 |
| 02:06.23 | tehblaker | !amd64 |
| 02:06.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about ... |
| 02:06.24 | metbsd | yes one external address, with ipv4 |
| 02:06.38 | tehblaker | exit |
| 02:06.40 | eldowan | metbsd: forwarding ports is probably your only solution. |
| 02:06.41 | Guerin | metbsd: then you're stuck with gatekeeping. |
| 02:06.54 | Guerin | learn to love whatever tool you decide to use for it |
| 02:07.07 | eldowan | Guerin: what is the advantage to running openbds/pf as opposed to debian for a gateway/router? |
| 02:07.09 | Guerin | iptables is a good choice, but I would probably go with pf |
| 02:07.15 | Guerin | in fact, I *do* go with pf |
| 02:07.27 | metbsd | but this router is not reliable, i bought a cheap one made in china |
| 02:07.28 | Guerin | eldowan: pf syntax is glorious and beautiful. |
| 02:07.43 | metbsd | pf syntax is same as ipfilter? |
| 02:07.43 | Guerin | metbsd: throw it away and get a 486. |
| 02:07.48 | Guerin | metbsd: no. |
| 02:07.57 | metbsd | not easy to find a 486 these days |
| 02:08.00 | eldowan | metbsd: go down to the used computer store, and buy a cheap old computer. it will be more than adequate |
| 02:08.07 | kervan | lontra: I work to learn Kernel compiling. And I hear that vanilla kernel is more light than others. |
| 02:08.08 | Guerin | metbsd: any old x86 box will do |
| 02:08.28 | metbsd | i have one athlon xp 1500+ with 768ram |
| 02:08.30 | eldowan | metbsd: I'm using an old pIII. hell, a cheap p4 or athlon / sempron would do wonders. many more wonders thatn you need. |
| 02:08.34 | eldowan | metbsd: you're set |
| 02:08.34 | Guerin | kervan: it's always best to start with the stock vanilla. Once you leanr you can play with some other stuff. |
| 02:08.36 | lontra | kervan: yup. it's certainly true |
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| 02:09.08 | eldowan | Guerin: is there a good writeup anywhere of pf vs iptables? |
| 02:09.24 | Guerin | eldowan: bound to be, but I'm not aware of one. |
| 02:09.31 | eldowan | Guerin: OK |
| 02:09.33 | metbsd | i always consider pf as a bundle of firewall, routing and QoS |
| 02:09.49 | Guerin | metbsd: well... yeah. So can iptables be. |
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| 02:09.59 | Guerin | they essentially do the same job |
| 02:10.03 | slidesinger | eldowan: A pIII? Still running a 400MHz athlon w/1GB RAM here. |
| 02:10.05 | metbsd | ok |
| 02:10.19 | kervan | Guerin: I compiled 2.6.18-4-686 today. -686 prefix shows that this is not a vanilla kernel right? |
| 02:10.20 | metbsd | i'm very used to ipfilter, ipnat, and altq on netbsd |
| 02:10.24 | eldowan | slidesinger: yeah, pIII 900, 768MB IIRC |
| 02:10.50 | Guerin | kervan: that's a debian kernel, which is patched and configured for 686 machines. So not vanilla at all. |
| 02:11.24 | Guerin | metbsd: go with what you know, then. |
| 02:11.43 | Guerin | as long as it's not webmin |
| 02:11.53 | metbsd | why |
| 02:11.58 | metbsd | what about webmin? |
| 02:12.04 | eldowan | Guerin: whats wrong with webmin? I use it to secure my network of 30 users. |
| 02:12.11 | Guerin | because webmin is worse than shoving table knives into electrical sockets |
| 02:12.19 | Guerin | eldowan: you have my condolences. |
| 02:12.28 | eldowan | Guerin: joke. |
| 02:12.40 | Guerin | eldowan: it was obsoleted in debian because *nobody* out of the ~1000 DDs was prepared to maintain its evilness |
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| 02:12.44 | Guerin | oh |
| 02:12.47 | Guerin | IHBT :) |
| 02:12.49 | Syswol | hi. |
| 02:12.50 | eldowan | I dropped webmin as soon as I could manage my way around. |
| 02:12.53 | metbsd | i thought email server is most evil |
| 02:12.56 | eldowan | Guerin: ihbt? |
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| 02:13.01 | Syswol | whts up eldowan |
| 02:13.05 | Guerin | eldowan: I have been trolled |
| 02:13.08 | xlotlu | why might the console get messy (text looking offset and ghosted) after starting X? |
| 02:13.20 | eldowan | Guerin: :D |
| 02:13.20 | eldowan | Syswol: howdy |
| 02:13.21 | Syswol | same. |
| 02:13.24 | Guerin | metbsd: well... no |
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| 02:13.57 | metbsd | oh |
| 02:13.59 | Guerin | metbsd: that's only qmail |
| 02:14.07 | Guerin | most email servers are just lawful neutral |
| 02:14.25 | metbsd | i've setup some exim4 server on debian, i basically used everything |
| 02:14.28 | eldowan | Guerin: looking at the syntax from pf and I am amazed. very easily readable. Looks intuitive. I might have to give openbsd a try for my next gateway project. |
| 02:14.39 | Guerin | eldowan: yeah. It's yummah. |
| 02:14.58 | eldowan | Guerin: yummah like authoritah by cartman? |
| 02:15.11 | Guerin | eldowan: yah |
| 02:15.11 | pingouin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.23 | metbsd | i had to know RE, mysql, cgi, dns... to make that mail server to work |
| 02:15.28 | Guerin | pingouin: why use that package over the debian package? |
| 02:15.41 | metbsd | and apache |
| 02:15.51 | Guerin | metbsd: not really ... definitely no need for cgi |
| 02:15.52 | eldowan | pingouin: why that packate over debian, and which specific download did you get? |
| 02:15.54 | Guerin | or apache |
| 02:15.59 | dezent | pingouin: did you install gtk ? |
| 02:15.59 | Guerin | or mysql |
| 02:16.05 | metbsd | Guerin, we need a webmail solution |
| 02:16.12 | metbsd | mysql for authentication |
| 02:16.18 | metbsd | that was the project requirement |
| 02:16.30 | Guerin | metbsd: oh. That's a different bag. I feel your pain, it took me *weeks* to set up my system. |
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| 02:16.56 | Guerin | (though I was a rank newbie at the time ... and now it's up I'm never touching it again) |
| 02:16.58 | eldowan | metbsd: we've been using hoarde for webmail here for a while. we haven't really had any problems. suqirrel mail was also used, but dropped before I came aboard |
| 02:17.07 | Guerin | urk, horde is horrible |
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| 02:17.14 | metbsd | we used openwebmail |
| 02:17.18 | Guerin | i use ilohamail these days, it's reasonable |
| 02:17.21 | pingouin | dezent: i guess, i've apt-get installed a bunch of gtk stuffs :/ |
| 02:17.24 | metbsd | we still use openwebmail |
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| 02:17.33 | eldowan | Guerin: horde isn't horrible when you don't have to support it, only help the users use it. :D |
| 02:17.39 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:17.44 | petemc | metbsd: how do you keep it updated? |
| 02:17.46 | Guerin | i suppose that's true |
| 02:17.54 | pingouin | eldowan: i grab firefox-2.0.0.6.tar.gz |
| 02:17.57 | MangosDebian | evenin |
| 02:17.58 | metbsd | petemc, keep what update |
| 02:17.58 | Guerin | petemc: updates are for windows! |
| 02:18.06 | MangosDebian | metbsd: you! |
| 02:18.10 | petemc | openwebmail was removed from the repos |
| 02:18.12 | Guerin | pingouin: why? Use the debain package! |
| 02:18.13 | eldowan | pingouin: is that the one you untar, and then just run the binary from within? |
| 02:18.28 | pingouin | eldowan: yes |
| 02:18.44 | eldowan | pingouin: I believe there should be one with static libraries. |
| 02:18.51 | metbsd | petemc, dl from the site, we now use 2.52 old deb |
| 02:18.55 | eldowan | pingouin: is there a specific reason you aren't using the deb package? |
| 02:19.10 | pingouin | eldowan: no |
| 02:19.14 | Guerin | ,,, |
| 02:19.15 | dezent | pingouin: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=amd64 |
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| 02:19.41 | dezent | pingouin: try "apt-get install libgtk2.0-0" |
| 02:19.59 | eldowan | pingouin: you'll probably have an easier time using the debian package. I believe it is iceape |
| 02:21.16 | pingouin | dezent: apt-get install libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-0 est déjà la plus récente version disponible. (you can translate by : most recent version already installed) |
| 02:21.37 | pingouin | eldowan: sure...., but why this one doesnt work ?! |
| 02:21.43 | dezent | pingouin: then i have no clue |
| 02:22.03 | pingouin | dezent: np, thanks for care anyway |
| 02:22.10 | eldowan | pingouin: it looks like the one from mozilla.com is compiled for i686 . could it be that it just isn't compatible with your amd64 build? |
| 02:22.23 | frankr | ahh, dammit i can't get either of these freakin modems to work |
| 02:22.28 | frankr | gonna have to work on this tomorrow |
| 02:22.34 | dezent | pingouin: np =) |
| 02:23.01 | pingouin | eldowan: surely i guess.... |
| 02:23.06 | Guerin | frankr: here's a nickel, go buy a real modem |
| 02:23.21 | frankr | Guerin: I leave in 2 days, I don't really have the time |
| 02:23.30 | frankr | and the us robotics one is pretty dece I just dont' have the right cable |
| 02:23.37 | Guerin | ... you live more than 24 hours drive from the nearest computer shop? |
| 02:23.39 | frankr | I could get one of those converter things actually I have a few of those arounds |
| 02:23.43 | eldowan | pingouin: I haven't a clue other than a arch mismatch. try installing iceape and see if it runs. then you know if you have a system problem or a download problem. |
| 02:23.49 | frankr | I don't but Its kinda annoying to have to go buy one |
| 02:23.53 | Guerin | i agree |
| 02:23.53 | frankr | Plus, its a laptop |
| 02:23.56 | Guerin | oh! |
| 02:23.57 | frankr | older tablet actually |
| 02:24.04 | frankr | fujitsu stylistic lt |
| 02:24.06 | Guerin | much easier - pcmcia modems are almost all real |
| 02:24.10 | Guerin | and pretty cheap, too |
| 02:24.19 | Guerin | $30-50 |
| 02:24.26 | frankr | This is true, but again, I don't feel like going to compusa to get one, I'd rather buy one at a computer show for like 10 bucks rather then 30-50 |
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| 02:24.41 | Guerin | i guess it depends how much your time is worth |
| 02:24.44 | jetscreamer | used |
| 02:24.49 | jetscreamer | buy used |
| 02:25.22 | frankr | just kinda nnoying that I can't get the built in one to work |
| 02:25.33 | frankr | cause I got everything else to work built into the laptop.. also its like 10 years old |
| 02:26.10 | lekvar | i had some trouble with the yenta driver on an old thinkpad |
| 02:26.11 | frankr | so I'd think drivers for this kinda thing would've been released like 10 years ago but apparently its still really hard to get it to work |
| 02:27.09 | jetscreamer | my old thinkpad 'just worked' ... cept the wireless card |
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| 02:27.21 | mainer | frankr: what's the chipset? |
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| 02:27.49 | frankr | mainer: Agere Systems F-1156IV WinModem |
| 02:27.50 | pingouin | dezent / Guerin / eldowan : apt-get install firefox, works perfectly. |
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| 02:28.22 | lekvar | pingouin: why not iceweasel? |
| 02:28.31 | jetscreamer | etch? |
| 02:28.31 | dondelelcaro | lekvar: that is iceweasel, actually. |
| 02:28.37 | eldowan | pingouin: well you know that your system work correctly now (it should, being debian :]). I would make sure that the tarball you downloaded is compatible with your 64bit OS |
| 02:28.41 | dezent | pingouin: great |
| 02:28.51 | eldowan | dondelelcaro: firefox is a virtual package, or transitional? |
| 02:28.58 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: transitional |
| 02:29.02 | eldowan | ah |
| 02:30.56 | pingouin | bah, that's ok, this is the newest version 2.0.0.6, exacltly like on the mozilla.com, i thought the package version was older. |
| 02:31.05 | pingouin | thanks all |
| 02:32.10 | Guerin | http://xkcd.com/292/ # FTW |
| 02:32.48 | eldowan | Guerin: nice toon. what is ftw? |
| 02:32.58 | Guerin | !ftw |
| 02:32.59 | frankr | http://xkcd.com/293/ HAHAHAH |
| 02:33.12 | frankr | haha |
| 02:33.17 | frankr | I thougth the one after that was funnier |
| 02:34.06 | mainer | frankr: try modprobe ltserial ltmodem |
| 02:34.11 | jetscreamer | fsomething the world |
| 02:34.53 | mainer | i know some agere chips have no open-source drivers,but not sure which chipsets |
| 02:34.58 | Guerin | the thing I like most about xkcd is that I *almost* understand some of it |
| 02:35.08 | frankr | mainer: neither found |
| 02:35.10 | eldowan | jetscreamer: that was always how I knew it. I just never could understand for the win |
| 02:35.18 | frankr | mainer: I know thats the module.. I just can't get it to compile |
| 02:35.30 | mainer | you got errors or no output? |
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| 02:35.48 | frankr | mainer: some weird source archive with some build_deb build_module scripts.. ran them and they can't find kernel headers, so I stuck source in /usr/src/linux but it still can't find em |
| 02:36.04 | frankr | I probably have to compile the kernel with that src and this is a 500mhz celeron, it'll take about 2 hours |
| 02:36.05 | mainer | hmm |
| 02:36.17 | frankr | and heat up this entire room |
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| 02:36.25 | eldowan | Guerin: this http://xkcd.com/253/ is nice |
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| 02:36.44 | mainer | tell me bout it 700mhz w/320mb pc-100 here ,i really do feel your pain |
| 02:36.56 | markc | how do I find out what my timezone is from a shell, and/or set it.. I used to use tzconfig but it doesn't seem to be on my system ? |
| 02:37.14 | dondelelcaro | markc: date; |
| 02:37.41 | dondelelcaro | markc: possibly date +'%Z' or date +'%z' or whatever |
| 02:37.45 | markc | it says EDT but I want to know what country/area |
| 02:38.02 | drbair | still smashing my head against the wall... every time cron calls a job the child process segfaults. md5's on the files come up clean, gdb sees nothing wrong, tried removing /etc/cron* and starting with a fresh crontab, ldd comes up good.... any more ideas? |
| 02:38.12 | markc | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.44 | dondelelcaro | markc: /etc/timezone is what /etc/localtime is set from; zdump /etc/localtime if you want to know what it is. |
| 02:39.22 | dondelelcaro | (the contry/area stuff is generally all symlinks anyway) |
| 02:39.37 | dondelelcaro | markc: what's the usage case for the information, though? |
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| 02:40.27 | mainer | frankr: i'm in etch,no ltdrivers here using stock kernel,and i have one,internal,but using dsl-modem |
| 02:40.30 | K`zan | Anyone know what the "=" sign on the end of this device is all about?: "/dev/ttyUSB0=" |
| 02:40.45 | markc | dondelelcaro: ah thanks, cat /etc/timezone does the trick... I want to set date_default_timezone_set() in a PHP script and it takes an arg in the form Country/City |
| 02:40.54 | dondelelcaro | bleargh |
| 02:41.22 | dondelelcaro | WTF doesn't it do that automatically using the normal libc6 stuff? |
| 02:41.39 | K`zan | Anyone have gpsd working with debian, seems to be an older version and isn't working with either roadnav or gpsdrive?!? |
| 02:41.57 | GhostlyDeath | in man, how do I go to what the underlined text points to? |
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| 02:42.23 | dondelelcaro | GhostlyDeath: it doesn't go anywhere; it's just underlined because your console doesn't support bold. |
| 02:42.42 | dondelelcaro | (or underlined because it's underlined) |
| 02:42.52 | GhostlyDeath | dondelelcaro: if my console doesn't support bold then are all the options bold? |
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| 02:43.20 | peterS | I suspect underline is put in as a typographical substitute for italics |
| 02:43.25 | dondelelcaro | could be too |
| 02:43.44 | dondelelcaro | I forget what all groff does when the termcap doesn't support bold |
| 02:43.57 | GhostlyDeath | I just need to find help for -march but there should be an HTML version of everything |
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| 02:44.07 | frankr | mainer: did you say you have a winmodem using dsl-modem driver? |
| 02:44.24 | peterS | dondelelcaro: groff should just n^Hn and not worry about termcap, it is $PAGER's job to convert n^Hn into bold "n" |
| 02:44.37 | drbair | !damn pam_mount |
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| 02:45.26 | dondelelcaro | GhostlyDeath: man gcc; has the help for it |
| 02:45.31 | GhostlyDeath | ... |
| 02:45.38 | drbair | dondelelcaro: I don't think the deepest circle of hell is bad enough for pam_mount.... I nuke pam_mount and all is well |
| 02:45.46 | GhostlyDeath | I'm looking at it now! How can I find it with 11,085 lines? |
| 02:46.08 | h3xis | can anyone tell me how to get a hold of vlc on lenny? i've always done apt-get install vlc but it says it doesnt exist |
| 02:46.11 | peterS | GhostlyDeath: by typing /-march and hitting enter |
| 02:46.20 | dondelelcaro | drbair: huh. I don't use pam_mount. |
| 02:46.34 | dondelelcaro | (assuming you've less installed) |
| 02:46.56 | GhostlyDeath | peterS: then how do I continue the search? |
| 02:47.00 | peterS | GhostlyDeath: n |
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| 02:47.12 | peterS | the / and n commands are borrowed from vi |
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| 02:47.44 | drbair | dondelelcaro: i think this one deserves a bug report... it took me 3 days to track down this sucker. pam_mount will be sadly missed but its better than loosing cron |
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| 02:49.27 | dondelelcaro | drbair: actually, it may be that it's been fixed. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=435424 |
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| 02:51.14 | dondelelcaro | (granted, it was fixed less than 4 days ago) |
| 02:51.39 | mainer | frankr: no,i have an unused onboard ltwinmodem,and have a westell wirespeed going thru a linksys router |
| 02:51.47 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: lwce this year? |
| 02:52.01 | frankr | mainer: ahh.. I see. |
| 02:52.15 | mainer | sorry for any confusion |
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| 02:52.48 | mainer | but no ltdrivers appear in stock etch kernel |
| 02:52.58 | drbair | dondelelcaro: it would have really thown me for loop if it solved itself! hopefully that patch will filter down in a few days and I can have pam-mount back |
| 02:53.13 | drbair | dondelelcaro: thanks for all your help during my endevour |
| 02:53.15 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah |
| 02:53.20 | frankr | mainer: yeah, andits a pain to compile them, which is the problem I'm running into |
| 02:53.26 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you guys have a new tshirt design this year? |
| 02:53.27 | dondelelcaro | drbair: np; if you want you can just build it now |
| 02:53.32 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: nope |
| 02:53.36 | deadcat | oh |
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| 02:54.00 | drbair | dondelelcaro: I'm not that anxious, im going on a little trip for the next few days anyway :-) |
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| 02:55.32 | mainer | fran/clear |
| 02:55.38 | mainer | whoops |
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| 02:58.39 | twobitsprite | so, I don't have kde installed, but I have a program which uses QT... and it looks like crap... how can I install QT themes/etc without having to fully install kde? |
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| 03:00.05 | jetscreamer | twobitsprite: apt-get 'should' get the minimal libs you need.. but you will need 'some' |
| 03:00.20 | jetscreamer | twobitsprite: synaptic et al might pull in a lot lot more |
| 03:01.41 | twobitsprite | jetscreamer: hmm.. know of any pgks specifically? |
| 03:01.55 | datadrinker | do you guys know if Dell 14.1 inch WXGA TFT LCD Panels can go higher than 1280x800@60hz? |
| 03:02.17 | jetscreamer | twobitsprite: not really, try apt-cache search kde | grep theme maybe |
| 03:02.21 | datadrinker | using xorg-video-intel to achieve this current resolution |
| 03:02.22 | wlnet | debian is moving at snail pace. if things continue like this, Ubuntu will bury debian. |
| 03:02.36 | datadrinker | nothing can bury debian |
| 03:02.49 | K`zan | Ok, well, thanks, at least the gps stuff works under ubuncrap :-/. |
| 03:02.54 | datadrinker | it's might is suprise to faerie-operating systems like ubuntu |
| 03:03.05 | wlnet | ekiga is still at 2.0.3 for 'testing' while 2.0.9 is being used by others. |
| 03:03.23 | K`zan | Ubuntu sucks, but at least the gps stuff works there :-/. |
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| 03:03.58 | datadrinker | that guy needs to get his kernel straightened out |
| 03:04.00 | jetscreamer | wlnet: it's how it is |
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| 03:04.13 | jetscreamer | wlnet: and note that ubuntu takes it's stuff from sid |
| 03:04.28 | jetscreamer | also note that sid is usually a few minor versions ahead of ubuntu |
| 03:04.37 | datadrinker | i don't doubt it |
| 03:04.38 | wlnet | K`zan, what gps stuff are you referring to? |
| 03:04.46 | datadrinker | the release cycle is for newbs |
| 03:04.57 | jetscreamer | what release cycle |
| 03:04.58 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 03:05.03 | datadrinker | i don't need a new operating system update every 6 months |
| 03:05.07 | jetscreamer | !wir |
| 03:05.07 | dpkg | from memory, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 03:05.25 | datadrinker | hey jetscreamer: how do i read my initramfs logs (aka stdout) |
| 03:05.38 | jetscreamer | i think the debian overlords are slipping on the wir part though |
| 03:05.50 | jetscreamer | initramfs logs? |
| 03:06.24 | datadrinker | all of what's printed before i log in |
| 03:06.24 | jetscreamer | not sure what they are called, but logs usually end up in /var/log |
| 03:06.24 | jetscreamer | dmesg |
| 03:06.24 | jetscreamer | !dmesg |
| 03:06.24 | dpkg | well, dmesg is print or control the kernel ring buffer. /var/log/dmesg gives you the whole thing from boot time. `dmesg' shows you current ring buffer contents. |
| 03:06.24 | jetscreamer | dmesg|less |
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| 03:06.27 | jetscreamer | oh that |
| 03:06.28 | datadrinker | very nice |
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| 03:07.29 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
| 03:08.30 | twobitsprite | last time I tried ubuntu is was very buggy |
| 03:08.32 | jetscreamer | i guess chrisjw loves ricky |
| 03:09.48 | ricky | Heh. Hi :) |
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| 03:11.53 | datadrinker | ubuntu is the perfect debian for some machines though |
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| 03:12.13 | datadrinker | it's packages being uncompatible with debian led me to use debian though |
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| 03:14.47 | eldowan | datadrinker: so sometimes a derivitave is the perfect original? |
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| 03:15.09 | eldowan | that makes no sense on a few levels |
| 03:15.09 | datadrinker | sometimes a deriv. is better for a user that cannot tackle any of the debian trees |
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| 03:15.37 | eldowan | datadrinker: buy a latter. :D |
| 03:15.46 | eldowan | or a chainsaw |
| 03:15.49 | eldowan | your choice |
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| 03:16.01 | datadrinker | ridiculous |
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| 03:17.21 | jetscreamer | but the ladtrer |
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| 03:17.32 | lex_nexus | anybody use truecrypt? |
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| 03:17.42 | xacier | what is a good rts game package? |
| 03:17.48 | jetscreamer | ubuntu stole all our clubies who know nothing!!! |
| 03:18.13 | xacier | any rts game? |
| 03:18.18 | jetscreamer | define rts |
| 03:18.26 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 03:18.38 | jetscreamer | there are none in sources, just lame ones ... |
| 03:20.07 | xacier | if you don't know, it is very likely you don't know |
| 03:20.12 | xacier | next! |
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| 03:21.47 | jetscreamer | seriously, if that means real time simulation, there aren't any good ones imo.. unless torcs counts |
| 03:22.51 | jetscreamer | name a game you like that fits the category and i can maybe tell you |
| 03:24.34 | frankr | I'm giving this us robotics sportster modem another go.. this time I'm using a male-male gender changer, the na 25pin-9pin converter, then a 9pin extender, then another gender changer then into the laptop |
| 03:24.38 | frankr | and only 2 lights on the modem are on |
| 03:24.42 | frankr | so I'm assuming this did not work |
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| 03:25.29 | jetscreamer | frankr: try one of those serial to usb adapters.. you'd have to buy it.. around 20 bucks iirc? 10? |
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| 03:26.17 | xacier | ummm |
| 03:26.31 | xacier | real time strategic games |
| 03:26.34 | xacier | you know |
| 03:26.38 | xacier | but you don't know |
| 03:26.43 | jetscreamer | yes i do |
| 03:26.49 | xacier | oh you do? |
| 03:26.54 | xacier | what is a good one? |
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| 03:27.45 | frankr | jetscreamer: I actually found a 9pin to 25pin cable |
| 03:28.20 | jetscreamer | i don't feel that any of the available ones in sources are ... i haven't checked them all out, but i've tried a lot of the games in sources. |
| 03:28.26 | jetscreamer | netpanzer maybe? |
| 03:28.33 | jetscreamer | not sure if that's rts or fsp |
| 03:28.36 | jetscreamer | err fps |
| 03:28.54 | jetscreamer | !info netpanzer |
| 03:29.01 | dpkg | netpanzer: (online multiplayer tactical warfare game), section games, is optional. Version: 0.8.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 439 kB, Installed size: 1132 kB |
| 03:29.02 | xacier | um, i think these aren't rts |
| 03:29.31 | xacier | like rt2_demo is one |
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| 03:29.39 | xacier | like boswars is another |
| 03:29.53 | xacier | i thought maybe someone knows better, i guess not |
| 03:30.19 | xacier | http://www.boswars.org/screenshots.shtml |
| 03:30.58 | jetscreamer | xacier: but remember, most ppl who are into gaming are out on a friday night |
| 03:31.03 | jetscreamer | or gaming |
| 03:31.12 | jetscreamer | so maybe just a bad time to ask |
| 03:31.24 | waltz | internets are quiet on fridays |
| 03:31.28 | waltz | it depresses me :( |
| 03:31.55 | jetscreamer | !comfort waltz |
| 03:31.55 | dpkg | There, there, waltz. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 03:31.59 | xacier | sup waltz, you are into debian too? |
| 03:32.09 | waltz | many thanks |
| 03:32.31 | waltz | xacier: ya, just installed it today on my dv8000 |
| 03:32.51 | frankr | Anyone happen to know what kernel module a US Robotics Sportster modem would use |
| 03:32.54 | waltz | been using FreeBSD for a while, since January 2007, coming from Windowsland |
| 03:32.54 | xacier | cool |
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| 03:33.04 | xacier | i am blow_fish LOL |
| 03:33.17 | xacier | aka other crazy names |
| 03:33.23 | waltz | ah |
| 03:33.31 | waltz | hm, doesn't ring a bell |
| 03:33.51 | xacier | i saw you around ##freebsd before |
| 03:34.18 | waltz | i need to get more serious about my work |
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| 03:34.28 | waltz | as in, learning C and writing kernelspace code |
| 03:34.46 | xacier | oh, for school or work? |
| 03:34.49 | waltz | i've been being lazy recently and it's not making me feel good |
| 03:34.53 | waltz | xacier: hobbyism |
| 03:34.56 | xacier | i quitted programming long time ago |
| 03:35.05 | waltz | so what's your story? |
| 03:35.09 | waltz | new to debian as well? |
| 03:35.12 | xacier | messing around |
| 03:35.18 | xacier | checking out stuff |
| 03:35.25 | waltz | ic |
| 03:35.42 | waltz | i dunno |
| 03:35.56 | waltz | i feel as though i have this obligation to contribute to open-source software |
| 03:35.57 | xacier | well there is one thing scared me about debian is that |
| 03:36.12 | waltz | what's that? |
| 03:36.17 | xacier | everytime the system freezes up and blew up somehow |
| 03:36.25 | xacier | the whold damn hd is gone |
| 03:36.29 | xacier | nonrecoverable |
| 03:36.31 | waltz | uh |
| 03:36.38 | lekvar | eh?? |
| 03:36.38 | xacier | i mean holy s*&t |
| 03:37.00 | waltz | what are you doing to make it freeze? |
| 03:37.08 | xacier | dunno |
| 03:37.14 | xacier | xorg or something |
| 03:37.21 | xacier | or iceweasel |
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| 03:37.41 | xacier | then i gotta pull the damn plug |
| 03:37.42 | waltz | not a kernel panic, right? |
| 03:37.46 | xacier | nope |
| 03:38.07 | xacier | people are saying i got some bogus hardwares |
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| 03:38.17 | lekvar | ctl-alt-backspace? |
| 03:38.21 | waltz | well how often does it freeze? |
| 03:38.22 | xacier | debian is absolutely fine and god like |
| 03:38.24 | lekvar | should quit x |
| 03:38.44 | xacier | well i know ctl-alt-backspace |
| 03:38.57 | phorce1 | any perl geeks awake? Only related to debian in that it's on a Debian box. Raeding docs for 2 hours and can't figure out where/how to use 'substr' in the following to put ONLY the last 4 digits of a 13 OR 16 character string (in cust_main.payinfo) into $payinfo. : qsearch('cust_main',{'payinfo'=>$payinfo, 'payby'=>'CARD'} |
| 03:39.12 | xacier | but when i say freezes up i mean the system doesn't really move |
| 03:39.20 | xacier | no matter how hard i hit it |
| 03:39.27 | xacier | except i didn't hammer it |
| 03:39.32 | xacier | :( |
| 03:39.44 | phorce1 | also, how active is debain-sparc? I have some oddities on an e450 play machine that show under debian but not solaris |
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| 03:40.13 | waltz | xacier: don't take that "hitting hardware will make it work" too literally :P |
| 03:40.53 | waltz | i mean, maybe with electromechanical switches... but not with solid state devices |
| 03:41.27 | phorce1 | waltz: you'd be surprised sometimes |
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| 03:41.41 | waltz | o_O |
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| 03:43.28 | lekvar | put the system in your freezer. that seems to be what it wants. |
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| 03:45.08 | waltz | phorce1: good luck |
| 03:45.21 | waltz | phorce1: also, if it's that difficult, maybe you're Doing It Wrong |
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| 03:46.37 | Davey | So I *think* I'm running sendmail for my MTA, exim4 for my IMAP and qpopper for my POP3, I have > 500 e-mails sitting in /var/mail/<username> and since yesterday I haven't been able to retrieve any mail. My clients seem to connect just fine (IMAP) but no mail is retrieved... any ideas what I can look at? I checked all the relevant logs and found nothing that looked remotely interesting to me - certainly nothing came up with tail -f when I checked for new |
| 03:46.54 | phorce1 | waltz: just trying to modify a bit of code so it only requires the last 4 digits of a credit card for a search rather than the whole card number. I can usually change perl to do what I want, just can't write from scratch. |
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| 03:47.45 | waltz | learn :) |
| 03:49.13 | phorce1 | waltz: who's time should I use to do that? I don't have any of my own to spare at teh moment. ;-) |
| 03:50.38 | pingouin | is that normal that, when i build a kernel (2.6.2..1) under debian/etch 32b, i got the CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G= option that appear, but when i configure the same kernel on Debian/Etch amd64, this option doesnt appears ? |
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| 03:52.12 | frankr | Anyone happen to know what kernel module a US Robotics Sportster modem would use |
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| 03:56.17 | Davey | pingouin: I would imagine because a 32bit kernel without HIGHMEM can only address 4GB RAM (IIRC) but a 64bit can address 64GB (or more?) it doesn't need the option :) |
| 03:57.11 | Davey | pingouin: 32bit is why Windows has had a 4GB RAM limitation for so long, with 64bit versions that limitation is non-existant (rather, much much higher ;) |
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| 03:57.34 | Rusty1 | frankr http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Modem-HOWTO.html maybe help there |
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| 04:00.34 | loesh_ | Hi, i am trying to mount a nfs share that contains various folders with subfolders and files and so on... say its /pub containing dirs 'a' 'b' and 'c' wich in turn contains files and folders... when i mount it i only se 'a' 'b' and 'c' but they are empty |
| 04:00.59 | loesh_ | somehow it feels like i am doing something stupid here :) |
| 04:01.29 | xsdg | Davey: 64 bit can address 4e9*4e9 ~ 1e19 bytes |
| 04:02.10 | xsdg | Davey: so, basically, about 10 billion GB |
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| 04:02.28 | Davey | xsdg: so i was a little off, sue me :D |
| 04:02.37 | xsdg | :o) |
| 04:02.48 | Davey | anyhow, numbers aside, I was right, yay :D |
| 04:03.09 | xsdg | Davey: I can tell you from experience that the 4GB limit sucks |
| 04:03.18 | Davey | xsdg: oh, I know :) |
| 04:03.35 | xsdg | Davey: on a 32-bit linux machine, each process can only address 4GB, even with more memory in the system |
| 04:03.38 | Davey | never hit it on a home machine, but we do at work :) |
| 04:03.39 | kanand | this is elementary for many here but it is the first time i will be doing it: how to download source code for a package? specifically, I want the source for ekiga. |
| 04:03.45 | xsdg | yeah |
| 04:03.55 | Davey | xsdg: any knowledge of mail? :) |
| 04:03.59 | xsdg | kanand: apt-get source ekiga |
| 04:04.05 | kanand | thks |
| 04:04.22 | xsdg | Davey: you mean MTAs and such? a bit |
| 04:04.34 | Davey | xsdg: mind if I re-post my question? I'm having issues :/ |
| 04:04.41 | xsdg | Davey: nope |
| 04:04.54 | Davey | I *think* I'm running sendmail for my MTA, exim4 for my IMAP and qpopper for my POP3, I have > 500 e-mails sitting in /var/mail/<username> and since yesterday I haven't been able to retrieve any mail. My clients seem to connect just fine (IMAP) but no mail is retrieved... any ideas what I can look at? I checked all the relevant logs and found nothing that looked remotely interesting to me - certainly nothing came up with tail -f when I checked for new mai |
| 04:05.09 | kanand | xsdg, it says: Unable to find a source for ekiga. |
| 04:05.32 | Davey | kanand: make sure you have the package correct, as root, apt-cache search ekiga |
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| 04:05.48 | xsdg | kanand: you most likely don't have a source... err... source |
| 04:06.13 | xsdg | kanand: in /etc/apt/sources.list, make sure there is a matching "deb-src" line for your primary debian binary source ("deb" line) |
| 04:06.21 | Davey | oh, that'll do it too :) |
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| 04:07.05 | Davey | xsdg: any thoughts? this one is a mystery. Hate to lose my 286 day uptime (and kill 2 friends IRC connections, heh) by rebooting to fix this. |
| 04:07.23 | xsdg | Davey: exim does IMAP? woah |
| 04:07.27 | xsdg | regardless |
| 04:07.33 | Davey | I dunno, does it? I'm guessing here :) |
| 04:08.19 | kanand | xsdg, you are right. i miss the "deb-src". got it downloaded now. thks. |
| 04:08.19 | xsdg | Davey: as root, do `netstat -nltap` and look at what's listening on port 143 (imap) or 993 (imap-ssl) |
| 04:08.24 | xsdg | kanand: np |
| 04:08.25 | Davey | aaah :D |
| 04:08.28 | Davey | good idea |
| 04:08.50 | Davey | oh, imapd :) |
| 04:09.02 | Davey | but I don't see any init script for it |
| 04:09.11 | kanand | xsdg, which dir would it be downloaded to? |
| 04:09.21 | Davey | kanand: current working directory, IIRC |
| 04:09.22 | xsdg | kanand: ./ |
| 04:09.34 | kanand | thks. |
| 04:09.51 | xsdg | Davey: first off, `locate imapd` |
| 04:10.14 | Davey | OK, /usr/sbin/imapd |
| 04:10.49 | xsdg | Davey: dpkg -L /usr/sbin/imapd |
| 04:10.54 | xsdg | sorry |
| 04:10.58 | xsdg | dpkg -S /usr/sbin/imapd |
| 04:10.58 | dpkg | You Fool! /usr/sbin/imapd is installed! |
| 04:11.10 | xsdg | dpkg: botsnack |
| 04:11.10 | dpkg | xsdg: aw, gee |
| 04:11.27 | kanand | there's a bunch of ekiga files download. i suppose the source is the .orig.ta.gz one? |
| 04:11.38 | xsdg | kanand: it should be unpacked |
| 04:11.38 | frankr | how can I figure out which com port my modem is connected to? |
| 04:11.42 | xsdg | kanand: do you want to build it? |
| 04:11.59 | Davey | uw-imapd :D |
| 04:12.05 | xsdg | frankr: internal or external? |
| 04:12.15 | Davey | still no init script, hrm |
| 04:12.25 | xsdg | Davey: ok; does uw-imapd have a logfile in /var/log/? |
| 04:12.34 | Davey | nope |
| 04:12.52 | xsdg | Davey: and re init script, `dpkg -L uw-imapd` should tell you everything it installs (including scripts) |
| 04:12.56 | kanand | xsdg, no, i just want to examine the code. |
| 04:13.17 | Davey | doesn't... install much. |
| 04:13.34 | xsdg | Davey: oh; looks like it's run from inetd |
| 04:13.44 | xsdg | Davey: is your inetd working properly? |
| 04:13.51 | Davey | I... assume so |
| 04:14.30 | Davey | I just restarted it, same result |
| 04:14.32 | xsdg | Davey: does /var/log/daemon.log say anything interesting? |
| 04:14.53 | Davey | says I'm connecting |
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| 04:15.07 | Davey | nothing beyond that |
| 04:15.39 | frankr | aahh |
| 04:15.49 | frankr | I accidentally installed a package thats for the wrong kernel version |
| 04:15.52 | frankr | a package of ltmodem |
| 04:15.54 | frankr | and now it won't remove |
| 04:15.58 | frankr | just spits out a couple find errors |
| 04:16.06 | frankr | and I can't install anything else b/c it keeps trying to remove it and it doesn't work |
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| 04:17.48 | xsdg | Davey: can you start the uw-imapd daemon in debug, no-fork mode? (check `imapd -h` for debug and/or no-fork options) |
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| 04:18.09 | reiser2 | hi |
| 04:18.10 | Davey | xsdg: heh, the imap command takes no arguments, just spits out the IMAP header |
| 04:18.29 | Dinocrisis | hi |
| 04:18.36 | Davey | (er, imapd command) |
| 04:18.57 | Red_Cloud | I am looking for a personal firewall to install. My distro is lenny. Is there a firewall that offers application connectivity, spawning (inheritance) control and behavior analysis as well as netfilter? |
| 04:18.58 | xsdg | Davey: heh |
| 04:20.37 | xsdg | Davey: can you make the inetd be more verbose? |
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| 04:20.47 | Davey | xsdg: lemme see |
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| 04:22.23 | reiser2 | how can i change Flow Control, Baud RAte, etc to ttyS0 (RS232) |
| 04:22.33 | xsdg | reiser2: stty |
| 04:22.44 | reiser2 | ttyS0 |
| 04:23.03 | Daejeo1 | can anyone help me please ? i want to change the MAC address of my cable modem. |
| 04:23.06 | Davey | hrm, weird... doesn't seem to be doing anything |
| 04:23.41 | h3sp4wn | Daejeo1: the modem or the ethernet card connected to the modem |
| 04:23.44 | Davey | now *thats* weird |
| 04:23.45 | xsdg | reiser2: I'm saying "use the stty program" |
| 04:23.55 | xsdg | Davey: hmm... |
| 04:24.21 | Daejeo1 | h3sp4wn: only modem |
| 04:24.21 | Davey | xsdg: mail.its-explosive.net is apparently not hitting my server or something, cause I switch to the address I used to SSH in and it seems to be working now |
| 04:24.50 | h3sp4wn | Daejeo1: You have a modem running Debian ? |
| 04:25.00 | Daejeo1 | yes |
| 04:25.17 | h3sp4wn | What arch ? |
| 04:25.22 | Daejeo1 | it is a cable modem |
| 04:25.51 | Daejeo1 | h3sp4wn:it is a cable modem |
| 04:26.03 | h3sp4wn | I don't understand how that relates to Debian |
| 04:26.14 | Daejeo1 | yes it is not |
| 04:26.17 | Daejeo1 | but |
| 04:26.38 | h3sp4wn | It depends on the type of the modem also |
| 04:26.40 | Daejeo1 | i just want to know the way how to change the adddress |
| 04:27.17 | xsdg | Davey: is your box multihomed? |
| 04:27.24 | Daejeo1 | i guess all cable modems have basic config |
| 04:27.43 | Davey | xsdg: network? yes |
| 04:27.44 | Daejeo1 | RF port, lan etc |
| 04:27.47 | h3sp4wn | Daejeo1: yeah but some are configured with telnet - som a web interface |
| 04:27.56 | Davey | xsdg: but ssh on both IPs ends up int he same place |
| 04:28.07 | h3sp4wn | Daejeo1: Some you could only do what you want with a serial console or jtag |
| 04:28.30 | Daejeo1 | try all ways? |
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| 04:28.59 | Daejeo1 | how can I telenet the modem? |
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| 04:29.08 | Davey | hrm, my datacenter is doing emergency switch maintenance in a couple hours |
| 04:29.19 | Davey | but this has been an issue since yesterday, still could be the cause, I guess. |
| 04:29.25 | Gnu_Raiz | your might want to check with your isp, as many times they might not allow a modified modem on the network. |
| 04:29.26 | h3sp4wn | Daejeo1: Try and find a manual for the modem |
| 04:29.38 | Daejeo1 | oh man! |
| 04:29.42 | Daejeo1 | I am in korea |
| 04:29.50 | xsdg | Davey: what's your fqdn? (hostname --fqdn) |
| 04:29.59 | Daejeo1 | it is hard to find a manual in english |
| 04:30.00 | xsdg | or, specifically, is it associated with the address that's working? |
| 04:30.16 | Davey | davey.simpli.biz |
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| 04:31.19 | CactusMD | anyone here use beryl or compiz-fusion? |
| 04:32.00 | Daejeo1 | h3sp4wn: can you point me to any documentation? |
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| 04:32.28 | h3sp4wn | Daejeo1: No - I have no idea even what type of modem you have |
| 04:32.46 | xsdg | Davey: hmm... |
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| 04:33.38 | xsdg | Davey: is inetd listening on all of the interfaces? (:::143 in `netstat -nltap`) |
| 04:34.18 | Davey | xsdg: 0.0.0.0:143 |
| 04:34.39 | Red_Cloud | I am thinking of installing ebox on my debian distro. Any cautions? |
| 04:34.51 | xsdg | yeah, that's right |
| 04:35.18 | xsdg | Red_Cloud: what is it? |
| 04:35.39 | Red_Cloud | xsdg a firewall "platform" |
| 04:35.58 | xsdg | Red_Cloud: oh; dunno |
| 04:36.13 | Red_Cloud | xsdg me neither |
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| 04:36.56 | Red_Cloud | take a look and see if you believe that it would be a personal firewall or a dedicated box: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/ebox.htm |
| 04:37.35 | Davey | xsdg: I give up for the night, thanks a lot though, and I learned some neat tricks :) |
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| 04:37.38 | xsdg | Davey: can you telnet to port 143 on mail and get something? |
| 04:37.46 | xsdg | Davey: np; good luck |
| 04:38.29 | Davey | xsdg: just for your curiousity, yes I can - so it makes no sense ;) |
| 04:38.45 | xsdg | Davey: well, good luck |
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| 04:41.42 | stud | hoho |
| 04:42.35 | Red_Cloud | Burgundavia. I am looking for a personal firewall for linux OS that would give application connectivity, spawning (inheritence) control, and behavior analysis. Ebox looked like the best candidate. |
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| 04:46.43 | NiCeBoY | hello anyone can help me please? i got many processes running.. those processes ar eggdrops and when i do ps ax i can see it like this [pid number] [./eggdrop -m eggdrop.conf] what single command i can do on ssh to kill all process containing this [./eggdrop -m eggdrop.conf] PLEASE |
| 04:47.56 | xsdg | NiCeBoY: you can use killall, or you could string something together with grep |
| 04:48.20 | xsdg | NiCeBoY: if it's running with an interpreter, be careful that killall doesn't kill unrelated things being run with the same interpreter |
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| 04:48.57 | NiCeBoY | xsdg with grep how can i formulate the cmd pleasE? |
| 04:50.13 | xsdg | actually, with awk: `ps ax | awk '/eggdrop/ {print $1}'` |
| 04:50.26 | xsdg | that will get you the PIDs |
| 04:50.31 | joshi | how can i register myself to talk privately |
| 04:50.35 | xsdg | NiCeBoY: are you familiar with xargs? |
| 04:50.43 | xsdg | joshi: /quote nickserv help |
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| 04:51.01 | craigevil | Red_Cloud: you might take a look at tuxguardian |
| 04:51.20 | NiCeBoY | i know |
| 04:51.34 | Red_Cloud | craigevil thanks |
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| 04:52.22 | NiCeBoY | i can do [ ps ax | grep eggdrop ] i get all listed |
| 04:52.31 | NiCeBoY | but how can i atttribute a kill with it.. |
| 04:52.56 | xsdg | NiCeBoY: are you familiar with xargs? |
| 04:53.03 | NiCeBoY | no |
| 04:53.20 | Red_Cloud | craigevil THANKS!!!!!!!! |
| 04:53.36 | craigevil | was that what you were looking for? |
| 04:53.43 | xsdg | NiCeBoY: well, xargs takes whitespace-separated words on its stdin and runs a commands with those words as arguments |
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| 04:54.01 | xsdg | NiCeBoY: so, for example, `echo a b c | xargs cat` will run `cat a b c` |
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| 04:54.14 | user01 | is it possible to install etch and then upgrade kernel to 2.6.22? |
| 04:54.34 | xsdg | NiCeBoY: so, `ps ax | awk '/eggdrop/ {print $1}' | xargs kill` should do what you want |
| 04:55.06 | user01 | 2.6.22 has the wireless drivers for my card |
| 04:55.14 | h3sp4wn | user01: If its in backports.org you can or you can build your own |
| 04:55.18 | h3sp4wn | user01: which card ? |
| 04:55.25 | Red_Cloud | craigevil I can use that in tandem with netfilter |
| 04:55.31 | NiCeBoY | ok xsdg let me try then :P |
| 04:55.34 | user01 | h3sp4wn: sierra wireless u595 |
| 04:56.13 | Red_Cloud | of course it does not allow limited access to an application (total disallow or total allow only) but it is a start. |
| 04:56.36 | stopher | Okay, I'm going to attempt this once again. I edited php.ini attempting to change the max_value for memory from 8MB to 32MB for a script. When I did this, the script still indicated that the max was 8MB (yes, I had restarted apache). I tried a .htaccess file in the root dir of the website, that failed too. Any ideas? |
| 04:56.59 | h3sp4wn | user01: yeah it can be done (at the worst you would have to Make your own) |
| 04:57.18 | user01 | h3sp4wn: i was thinking about just flashing usb router with openwrt . . . but my router is broadcom based and openwrt is on kernel 2.4 for broadcom |
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| 04:58.24 | h3sp4wn | user01: which router is it ? |
| 04:58.30 | Red_Cloud | craigevil, if someone combined tuxguardian with netfilter so that a particular application could use port 8118 but be denied use of port 80, then Linux would finally have a REAL personal firewall. That would be a great leap forward. |
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| 05:00.33 | user01 | h3sp4wn: asus wl500g premium |
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| 05:36.33 | frankr | my system is having trouble removing a package and the output it gives makes it pretty clear I'm not gonna fix it. How can I just tell it to ignore that so that I can install things again? |
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| 05:37.49 | Guerin | frankr: post the output |
| 05:37.56 | Guerin | \aptitude -f install; |
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| 05:41.52 | stopher | Okay, I'm going to attempt this once again. I edited php.ini attempting to change the max_value for memory from 8MB to 32MB for a script. When I did this, the script still indicated that the max was 8MB (yes, I had restarted apache). I tried a .htaccess file in the root dir of the website, that failed too. Any ideas? |
| 05:42.19 | frankr | stopher: are you sure its loading the right php.ini? |
| 05:42.46 | stopher | i believe it is...its in the /etc/php5/apache/php.ini |
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| 05:46.23 | frankr | Guerin: http://rafb.net/p/233Sly51.html |
| 05:46.47 | MolePrince | Is it normal for dhclient to keep reporting every couple minutes in the logs that there are no working leases in persistent database? |
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| 05:47.57 | Guerin | frankr: you just want to remove ltmodem? rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/ltmodem-2.6.8-2-386.postrm |
| 05:48.00 | Guerin | then try again |
| 05:49.58 | frankr | Guerin: alright, its working now, thanks |
| 05:50.24 | Guerin | :) |
| 05:50.34 | frankr | have another question though - I have that us robotics sportster serial modem connected to an actual serial port now - 9pin on back of docking station for this tablet - and I wanna figure out which port its connected to so I can try to use pppconfig to make the connection happen |
| 05:51.06 | Guerin | pppconfig can detect it usually |
| 05:51.31 | Guerin | else just try echoing init strings to /dev/ttyS[0123] |
| 05:51.38 | Guerin | (whichever exist) |
| 05:51.56 | kervan | can anyone give me mplayer-gui's source address please. |
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| 05:52.16 | Guerin | kervan: mplayerhq.hu |
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| 05:53.41 | frankr | Guerin: what are the init strings? |
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| 05:53.49 | Guerin | frankr: atdt is one |
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| 05:53.58 | frankr | so try echo atdt >> /dev/ttyS0 |
| 05:54.04 | Guerin | yeah |
| 05:54.10 | Guerin | google up a list of modem init strings |
| 05:54.34 | frankr | aha! |
| 05:54.34 | Guerin | but try pppconfig first, it's pretty good |
| 05:54.46 | frankr | if I try echo atdt >> /dev/ttyS0 one of the lights blink on the device |
| 05:54.57 | frankr | cool |
| 05:54.59 | frankr | ok uhh |
| 05:55.06 | frankr | pppconfig is asking me for a nameserver but I don't have one |
| 05:55.26 | frankr | I was planning on trying this site - http://www.greatdialup.com but the ydon't give nameservers |
| 05:55.26 | Guerin | 4.2.2.[123456] are some, but the other end will probably assign some |
| 05:55.41 | frankr | So, I should just leave that blank? |
| 05:55.45 | Guerin | yes |
| 05:55.46 | suhxoaalz | Is there a Linux bruteforcer that will allow me to import a list of proxy URLs and cycle through them as I attempt to brute force my site? I'm testing a bruteforce detection program and it'd be easier if I didn't have to find a Windows box. THC Hydra is nice, but doesn't support multiple proxies running quickly. |
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| 05:56.29 | simonrvn | ping on ping flood mode? :P |
| 05:56.35 | Guerin | sebdah: sounds like a for loop and wget or curl to me |
| 05:56.51 | sebdah | what? |
| 05:56.51 | simonrvn | yes |
| 05:57.02 | simonrvn | bad tab completion |
| 05:57.05 | sebdah | =) |
| 05:57.10 | sebdah | np |
| 05:57.17 | Guerin | yeah |
| 05:57.20 | Guerin | i suck at teh ircs |
| 05:57.32 | sebdah | Hi anyway =) |
| 05:57.47 | simonrvn | hi :) |
| 05:58.04 | suhxoaalz | OK, I'll give it a shot. Thanks. : ) |
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| 05:58.16 | frankr | alright, I went through the pppconf.. not sure what to do now |
| 05:58.21 | frankr | should probably connect up a phone line |
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| 06:00.10 | frankr | alright.. phone line connected |
| 06:00.16 | frankr | Guerin: how do I initiate the connection |
| 06:00.29 | Guerin | frankr: using pppconfig |
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| 06:00.34 | Guerin | seriously |
| 06:00.38 | Guerin | it works |
| 06:00.40 | Guerin | just use it |
| 06:00.46 | frankr | I did |
| 06:00.47 | frankr | but |
| 06:00.49 | frankr | it just saves conf files |
| 06:00.50 | Guerin | oh |
| 06:00.55 | frankr | :P |
| 06:00.56 | Guerin | heh,ok |
| 06:01.13 | Guerin | add yoursefl to `dip' group, log out/in, and use pon connectionname |
| 06:01.19 | Guerin | to disconnect, use poff |
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| 06:03.42 | simonrvn | plus one karma for the centerim maintainer |
| 06:04.47 | frankr | huh |
| 06:04.51 | frankr | I saw some lights blink on the modem |
| 06:04.55 | frankr | but no dialing or anything |
| 06:05.21 | frankr | /var/log/ppp-connect-errors empty.. |
| 06:05.23 | frankr | x)x |
| 06:05.24 | frankr | x_X |
| 06:05.25 | streuner_ | hm |
| 06:05.47 | simonrvn | how about /var/log/ppp.log (if you have it)? |
| 06:06.10 | frankr | no I only see ppp-connect-errors and it has 0 size |
| 06:06.15 | streuner_ | that stuff logs to messages or syslog, IIRC |
| 06:06.15 | simonrvn | 'k |
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| 06:06.44 | simonrvn | unless you enable logging to another file |
| 06:06.48 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 06:06.59 | frankr | dmesg | tail shows "PPP generic driver version 2.4.2" but no errors.. |
| 06:07.09 | frankr | and that was before I pulled out my ethernet cable which I did before I even tried to connect |
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| 06:07.51 | streuner_ | Did you try wvdial? |
| 06:08.00 | streuner_ | !info wvdial |
| 06:08.05 | dpkg | wvdial: (PPP dialer with built-in intelligence), section comm, is optional. Version: 1.56-1.2 (sid), Packaged size: 93 kB, Installed size: 224 kB |
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| 06:08.26 | frankr | streuner_: trying now |
| 06:08.34 | frankr | oops forgot to plug ethernet back in |
| 06:08.34 | frankr | haha |
| 06:08.45 | streuner_ | frankr: what does "cat /proc/version"? |
| 06:08.57 | streuner_ | nah, thats not important |
| 06:09.51 | streuner_ | frankr: ...say |
| 06:11.14 | frankr | streuner_: it scanned my serial ports, didn't find anything, for some reason skipped trying 57000 baud, or however fast 56k is, which is how fast the modem is, says sorry no modem was detected, is it in use by another program |
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| 06:11.32 | frankr | do I have to configure it with setserial? |
| 06:11.42 | streuner_ | no |
| 06:11.43 | frankr | I had to do that for the touch panel on this tablet.. its a fujitsu stylistic |
| 06:12.02 | frankr | and it's scanning seems to have broken my touch panel-ness |
| 06:12.04 | frankr | which annoys me |
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| 06:13.35 | frankr | don't even hear the device dialing when I try to use pon greatdialup |
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| 06:18.09 | frankr | maybe I should just give up for tonight |
| 06:18.10 | frankr | try more tomorrow |
| 06:19.04 | indraveni | hi, is there any way to find out the keybindings of the keyboard |
| 06:21.03 | indraveni | in my laptop, the function keys are not working as the multimedia keys |
| 06:21.33 | indraveni | and I want to set it through the keyboard properties, but when I am pressing the Fn key, its not detected |
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| 06:23.44 | indraveni | in the debian patch file of control-center package, this 0xa0 is the default value given to the "volume mute", how will I know this represents which key in my keyboard ? |
| 06:23.52 | streuner_ | frankr: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Modem-HOWTO-18.html#ss18.9 |
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| 06:26.36 | streuner_ | Guerin: you could help him till next year, without a dialtone its hard to get that to work ;-) |
| 06:27.34 | streuner_ | Guerin: who knows what he did with setserial and which devices are connected too |
| 06:27.55 | frankr | AH! |
| 06:28.01 | frankr | I found an old telephone! |
| 06:28.02 | frankr | with dust on it |
| 06:28.05 | frankr | this is depressing |
| 06:28.40 | lekvar | Does it have bells inside? |
| 06:29.06 | streuner_ | any extern modem usually have one |
| 06:29.19 | frankr | a speaker I think |
| 06:29.33 | frankr | it is |
| 06:29.34 | frankr | :P |
| 06:29.40 | frankr | ok |
| 06:29.42 | frankr | no dial tone |
| 06:29.47 | frankr | so problem is my phone line, gotta find a working one |
| 06:29.49 | streuner_ | frankr: what does "cat /proc/version" say? |
| 06:29.49 | lekvar | Iæ mean actual small cups of metal struck by a clapper attached to a solenoid or such |
| 06:30.26 | lekvar | yuck *not happy with the way xterm prints funny chars for alt combos* |
| 06:30.45 | streuner_ | the kernel should work, because you get no error in the logs, but we want make sure |
| 06:30.57 | lekvar | I wish there were a gnome-terminal-nognome |
| 06:31.28 | abchirk | Can I use "sleep" for minutes too? |
| 06:31.52 | Guerin | lekvar: just use urxvt |
| 06:31.52 | frankr | streuner_: Linux Version 2.6.18-4-686 (debian some more crap ahhh) (gcc version nobody cares) (Debian 4.1.1) and more crap |
| 06:31.55 | abchirk | ah yes |
| 06:31.55 | frankr | stock kernel |
| 06:32.09 | frankr | gonna have to move my awesome tablet station to be near enough to a work phoneline |
| 06:32.15 | streuner_ | abchirk: man sleep |
| 06:32.26 | abchirk | yes "sleep 1m;" ;) |
| 06:32.26 | lekvar | Guerin: how do you change font sizes in urxvt? |
| 06:32.43 | Guerin | lekvar: man xresources |
| 06:33.18 | lekvar | Guerin: ah, the hard way. normal rxvt lets you cycle through them with a keycombo |
| 06:33.38 | Guerin | lekvar: urxvt might too, I just never cared enough |
| 06:34.46 | lekvar | Guerin: not that I've been able to discover. I happen to tweak terminal font sizes a lot |
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| 06:37.06 | streuner_ | frankr: well, if wvdial is unable to find a ttyS..., that says everything |
| 06:38.08 | sebdah | How may I see what domains a IP-address is connected to? |
| 06:38.40 | frankr | streuner_: I was able to find the right ttyS by just echoing startup signals to ttyS0 |
| 06:38.41 | MolePrince | sebdah: host <ip address> |
| 06:38.50 | frankr | made lights on the modem blink |
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| 06:39.02 | sebdah | MolePrince: thanks |
| 06:39.06 | streuner_ | good sign |
| 06:39.07 | Guerin | blinkenlights! |
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| 06:39.24 | Guerin | blinkenlights are the just reward of correct fiddling |
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| 06:45.24 | streuner_ | frankr: did you edit /etc/wvdial.conf yet? |
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| 06:46.42 | frankr_tablet | moved to a new locaiton with a phone line that I KNOW definitely has a dial tone |
| 06:46.47 | frankr_tablet | so I tried pon greatdialup |
| 06:46.54 | frankr_tablet | saw some lights bilnk on the modem but nothing |
| 06:47.16 | frankr_tablet | also if I run wvconf then whenever it says its checking things on ttyS0 lights blink on the modem |
| 06:47.20 | frankr_tablet | dunno why it doesn't detect it |
| 06:47.51 | frankr_tablet | wvdialconf rather |
| 06:48.27 | frankr | streuner_: I did not |
| 06:48.34 | Guerin | if pppconf/pon won't do it, wvdial won't either |
| 06:48.43 | frankr | yeah I figured |
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| 06:48.51 | frankr | I don't know why the hell it doesn't do anything now |
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| 06:50.44 | frankr_tablet | x_x |
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| 06:58.52 | streuner_ | frankr: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Modem-HOWTO-18.html |
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| 07:02.36 | frankr_tablet | frankr@russ-tablet:/var/log$ sudo echo ATDT >> /dev/ttyS0 |
| 07:02.46 | frankr_tablet | this command causes two of the lights on the modem to blink |
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| 07:08.12 | streuner_ | frankr: which port does windows use in order to work with the modem? |
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| 07:08.29 | streuner_ | frankr: ttyS0 or ttyS1? |
| 07:08.43 | streuner_ | frankr: COM |
| 07:09.08 | frankr_tablet | streuner_: ttyS0 |
| 07:09.15 | streuner_ | ok |
| 07:09.25 | frankr_tablet | I can't get minicom to work |
| 07:09.37 | frankr_tablet | it desont' et me type when I start itup |
| 07:09.38 | frankr_tablet | dunno why |
| 07:09.42 | streuner_ | frankr: what does "dmesg | grep -i ttyS" say? |
| 07:10.36 | frankr_tablet | serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A |
| 07:10.36 | frankr_tablet | serial8250: ttyS3 at I/O 0x2e8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A |
| 07:10.36 | frankr_tablet | 00:08: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A |
| 07:10.37 | frankr_tablet | oops |
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| 07:10.55 | frankr_tablet | forgot it doesn't paste with line breaks as hex values in irssi |
| 07:11.12 | frankr_tablet | streuner_: did you see those? |
| 07:11.17 | streuner_ | yes |
| 07:11.21 | streuner_ | they are fine |
| 07:11.41 | streuner_ | try to edit wvdial.conf |
| 07:11.50 | streuner_ | with these values |
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| 07:14.32 | streuner_ | frankr: http://paste.debian.net/33988 |
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| 07:15.25 | frankr_tablet | streuner_: its a 56k modem, is the baud supposed to be that? |
| 07:15.33 | streuner_ | yes |
| 07:15.36 | frankr_tablet | okok |
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| 07:18.28 | frankr_tablet | streuner_: http://paste.debian.net/33989 |
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| 07:19.10 | frankr_tablet | streuner_: the lights do blink on the router though when it sends those commands |
| 07:19.17 | frankr_tablet | maybe it firmware got messed up or something |
| 07:19.26 | indraveni | hi, is there a way to find out the keybindings of the keyboard |
| 07:19.56 | xingu | if memory serves v.90 is 8k baud down, 2k4 baud up. |
| 07:20.25 | frankr_tablet | streuner_: what xingu said? |
| 07:20.38 | xingu | bps rate != baud rate; and either way, to keep a 56k bps rate filled you probably want to be driving those uarts at at least 38400 bps |
| 07:21.03 | frankr_tablet | ah, I see what you're saying |
| 07:21.04 | xingu | 115,200 bps if the modem can deal without overruns. |
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| 07:21.38 | Moist_hamburger | hey guys |
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| 07:24.23 | liable | i think Moist_hamburger wins "unusual nick of the day" |
| 07:24.45 | Moist_hamburger | XD i try |
| 07:25.09 | xingu | liable: perhaps it's raining in bremen? |
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| 07:25.23 | jeffwheeler | Austin? |
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| 07:25.49 | Woosta | How do I unmark everything that is 'marked' in aptitude? |
| 07:26.03 | liable | xingu: perhaps the put the tomatos on too early in the process of making it |
| 07:26.23 | Moist_hamburger | close it, discard changes :P |
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| 07:28.07 | Woosta | Moist_hamburger: it doesn't though. I remembers |
| 07:28.15 | Woosta | Mmm .. keep-all might be useful |
| 07:28.45 | Woosta | Except my aptitude doesn't understand keep-all :-D |
| 07:28.55 | infernal_jesus | anyone in here have a dell laptop? |
| 07:28.57 | aFlag | hello, I'm trying to make package for a haskell library, I'm trying to use dh_make, should I select the library option there? Or is that only for C libraries? |
| 07:29.05 | streuner_ | frankr: if you try "ATQ0E1", what result do you get? |
| 07:29.59 | frankr_tablet | streuner_: as the init2? |
| 07:32.30 | streuner_ | yes |
| 07:33.01 | frankr_tablet | streuner_: same result |
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| 07:33.48 | streuner_ | frankr: sorry, iam out of ideas |
| 07:34.17 | frankr_tablet | streuner_: It's alright, thanks a bunch for the help you gave me |
| 07:34.24 | streuner_ | frankr: is the modem connected directly to the phone-box? |
| 07:34.47 | frankr_tablet | the phone-box? |
| 07:34.55 | frankr_tablet | yes actually |
| 07:34.59 | frankr_tablet | I'm prety sure it is |
| 07:35.06 | streuner_ | the box where usually the telephone is |
| 07:35.08 | frankr_tablet | I know it has dial tone cause I pulled it from a working phone |
| 07:35.10 | frankr_tablet | yeah |
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| 07:37.14 | xingu | frankr_tablet: what's the high level problem here? |
| 07:37.38 | frankr_tablet | xingu: trying to get a external serial us robotics sportster modem to work |
| 07:37.46 | frankr_tablet | even higher level need dialup for vacation, leaving tomorrow |
| 07:38.33 | xingu | frankr_tablet: ok what happens if you start minicom as root and go straight "online" with minicom -o |
| 07:38.53 | xingu | frankr_tablet: at that point does the modem echo characters back to you? |
| 07:39.10 | frankr_tablet | hold on gotta put a fan behind this tablet before it overheats |
| 07:39.30 | frankr_tablet | ok, ok |
| 07:39.30 | Internat | can i safely assume that reshaping a 1.5tb array to a 2.0tb array might take some time, ie in the nature of 27hrs? |
| 07:39.59 | jae | Q: should I jump to leafnode 2 or not? (AKA: will leafnode-2 be released *before* Duke Nukem Forever? ;) |
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| 07:41.27 | frankr_tablet | xingu: not seein anything.. |
| 07:41.35 | frankr_tablet | nope it doesn't |
| 07:41.40 | frankr_tablet | maybe this guy just doesn't work |
| 07:42.05 | xingu | frankr_tablet: possible; do tx and rx lamps on the modem flicker when you type? |
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| 07:43.33 | frankr_tablet | xingu: no, but they do if I run sudo echo ATDT >> /dev/ttyS0 |
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| 07:43.52 | frankr_tablet | xingu: or if I echo anything at it for that matter |
| 07:44.05 | frankr_tablet | xingu: I think I may be using minicom improperly; nothing shows up when I type into it |
| 07:44.09 | xingu | frankr_tablet: go into minicom config (^A O); choose serial port setup; set serial device as ttyS0, bps as 9600, and both flow control options off |
| 07:44.46 | xingu | frankr_tablet: then exit yhe menu (ESC), save as dfl, exit |
| 07:44.57 | xingu | frankr_tablet: and repeat the test |
| 07:45.21 | frankr_tablet | xingu: aha now they blink when I type |
| 07:45.30 | xingu | good |
| 07:45.57 | xingu | frankr_tablet: now type +++ leaving a 1s gap between +'s, then ATH0 |
| 07:46.34 | xingu | frankr_tablet: if the modem echo's OK congrats, you're nearly in business. |
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| 07:47.44 | frankr_tablet | xingu: A T H 0? do I need to leave a gap or hit enter? |
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| 07:48.25 | TiMiDo | ey can someone explain me the crosshurd? |
| 07:48.51 | frankr_tablet | xingu: it doesn't seem to be responding |
| 07:49.05 | xingu | frankr_tablet: just ath0 no pauses and enter after |
| 07:49.07 | sancho___ | how can i get configuration files to be installed for a package I've just re-added to the system using apt-get install? I had nessusd (and other nessus* packages) installed previously, removed them, deleted the configs, and now when I reinstall them /etc/nessus/ remains empty. |
| 07:49.22 | Woosta | FFS .. this is stupid. There HAS to be some way to completely unmark everything in aptitude |
| 07:49.26 | sancho___ | I see the list of files I think should be installed in /var/lib/dpkg/info/nessusd.conffiles |
| 07:49.30 | xingu | frankr_tablet: you probably will need a 1s guard/gap between consecutive +'s though |
| 07:49.33 | Woosta | Even if it means removing some cache file I can't find |
| 07:49.45 | TiMiDo | ey can someone explain me the crosshurd? |
| 07:49.48 | TiMiDo | !crosshurd |
| 07:49.57 | xingu | frankr_tablet: ok if the modem is not echoing characters the next question is the awkward one - when was the modem last known to work? |
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| 07:50.04 | sancho___ | dpkg-reconfigure(8) didn't restore them like i thought it might. |
| 07:50.28 | frankr_tablet | xingu: I have absolutely no idea, nor do I know where it came from. It looks prety old and worn with some wear on it |
| 07:50.41 | xingu | frankr_tablet: it's possible for modems to be programmed for leased-line mode with autodial strings in which case they will just act as bitpipes as far as the pc is concerned |
| 07:51.27 | xingu | frankr_tablet: my suggestion fwiw is to look for a manual for the device and look for the factory reset mechanism; also along the way work out what any DIP switches are set to and what they mean. |
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| 07:52.11 | xingu | frankr_tablet: the last variable you might try is a different speed setting in minicom - try 2400,4800,9600,38400,115200 in that order repeating the test each time. |
| 07:52.29 | xingu | frankr_tablet: again the modem might have been locked to a given dce rate |
| 07:53.17 | xingu | frankr_tablet: the fact that tx/rx lamps are flickering mean that it's not completely dead, so this is positive. |
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| 07:56.16 | frankr_tablet | xingu: I found some switches on the back and set it to it's factory defaults |
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| 07:56.42 | xingu | frankr_tablet: yes; but I bet there's one magic setting that also clears the nvram. |
| 07:56.46 | frankr_tablet | still not responding ok however |
| 07:56.57 | xingu | frankr_tablet: *that* is the vulcan nerve pinch you're looking for |
| 07:57.07 | frankr_tablet | xingu: ah.. 7 UP: Load NVRAM defaults DOWN: Load factory defaults |
| 07:57.16 | Caelum | yay, with the gutenprint drivers I can now print in duplex to my printer! |
| 07:57.33 | frankr_tablet | xingu: its down |
| 07:57.49 | xingu | frankr_tablet: factory defaults "should" be conservative enough to allow auto-dce rate matching. |
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| 07:58.17 | subx | how do u redirect a host in apache, ie. blablabla.net redirects to www.blablabla.net |
| 07:58.24 | xingu | frankr_tablet: ie it shouldn't matter what bit rate you use in minicom; so stay with factory defaults, and try the test; if no joy - proceed with each bps rate again. |
| 07:59.08 | xingu | frankr_tablet: if you can't get a response out of the device then either the device is not HAYES-AT command set compatible or it is fried. |
| 07:59.10 | carlesoriol | how can i change codepage and iocharset when i connect to a samba mount in gnomeVFS ? ( smb://computer/share ) |
| 07:59.27 | frankr_tablet | xingu: unplugged, closed minicom, plugged back in, minicom -o, + + +, ath0, enter, nothing printed |
| 07:59.45 | frankr_tablet | xingu: if its fried would it still be blinking when it receives stuff? |
| 07:59.47 | xingu | frankr_tablet: did you poweroff/on the modem after resetting the jumpers? |
| 07:59.52 | xingu | frankr_tablet: rare, but yes possible. |
| 08:00.11 | frankr_tablet | xingu: yes many times |
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| 08:01.32 | xingu | frankr_tablet: odds are that it's smoked then; again there might be a diagnostic setting for the jumpers which /might/ make the device do a self-test sequence and push a failure code either out the serial port at 9600bps or onto the led patterns |
| 08:02.01 | xingu | frankr_tablet: tbh in your shoes I'd call it quits and pick up a new one; modems cost the thick end of f-all now |
| 08:02.32 | frankr_tablet | been workin' on this all day |
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| 08:02.48 | linuxtk10 | anyone here ever use IPFM ? |
| 08:03.25 | frankr_tablet | I should probably also make sure I'm not putting too mcuh power in it |
| 08:03.39 | frankr_tablet | its not actually marked for how much power it requiers.. haha |
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| 08:09.26 | Bracki | Whats the keycode/name for the Windows Key? |
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| 08:09.50 | m4rz | how i can redirect a petittion example www.google.com, from my host to route at eth1 ??? |
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| 08:11.06 | xingu | Bracki: usually super or hyper |
| 08:11.23 | sebdah | m4rz: do you want to route all requests to a certain host via eth1? Then use the route command |
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| 08:11.51 | m4rz | yes |
| 08:12.00 | m4rz | how i can sebdah |
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| 08:13.03 | sebdah | m4rz: route add -host <ip-number> dev eth1 |
| 08:13.10 | m4rz | ok |
| 08:13.14 | m4rz | thanks |
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| 08:13.55 | sebdah | if you need to send it via a gateway: route add -host <ip-number> gw gateway dev eth1 |
| 08:13.58 | sebdah | np |
| 08:14.42 | m4rz | thanks |
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| 08:16.20 | Szeraax | so i am trying to use parted to create a partition, is there anyway to see a list of all the fs types it can create in this new partition? |
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| 08:23.41 | frankr_tablet | haha xingu plugged in a pcmcia modem and it got mapped to /dev/ttyS1 and opened up minicom.. responds ok to +++ ath0 |
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| 08:24.23 | xingu | frankr_tablet: :) |
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| 08:27.42 | Szeraax | anyone here familiar with parted? |
| 08:27.51 | Szeraax | (or gparted, or qtparted) |
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| 08:32.25 | jusae | is there a howto on mirrorin the debian cvs? |
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| 08:35.33 | jusae | anyone |
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| 08:37.48 | Szeraax | cvs? |
| 08:38.11 | jusae | not just the packages, but the sources |
| 08:38.25 | Szeraax | ok, so what are you trying to do? |
| 08:38.37 | jusae | write code |
| 08:38.43 | Szeraax | to do what? |
| 08:38.58 | Szeraax | network mirror sources? |
| 08:39.15 | jusae | anything |
| 08:39.46 | jusae | the point is to have a cvs, but rather then re-invent the wheel, mirrorin a public cvs would be like cool |
| 08:39.47 | Szeraax | well, do you want to do cd, local\file system, or internet? |
| 08:39.56 | Szeraax | aye? |
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| 08:40.28 | Szeraax | well, i'm not really sure what oyu mean |
| 08:40.29 | Szeraax | http://apt-mirror.sourceforge.net/ |
| 08:40.29 | jusae | i have the dvd's, but they have packages, do the dvd's include source? |
| 08:40.36 | Szeraax | yes |
| 08:40.40 | Szeraax | i think... |
| 08:40.49 | Szeraax | hmmm |
| 08:40.52 | Szeraax | good question |
| 08:40.58 | Szeraax | well, go check out that link... |
| 08:41.13 | Szeraax | i think it may be what you wanted? |
| 08:41.19 | jusae | okay |
| 08:41.25 | Szeraax | lol |
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| 08:45.15 | aFlag | I didn't understand that talk :P |
| 08:45.26 | Szeraax | what? |
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| 08:46.29 | Supaplex | !confuse aFlag, Szeraax |
| 08:46.30 | dpkg | No, where was my bacon today, aFlag, Szeraax? lederhosen of the people's republic of liechtenstein with extra anchovies |
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| 08:46.59 | jusae | lol |
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| 08:47.02 | jusae | 54 gig |
| 08:47.08 | Szeraax | haha |
| 08:47.12 | aFlag | jusae, what do you want to do dude? |
| 08:47.13 | jusae | on a 40gig hd |
| 08:47.24 | aFlag | you want to get code for all the packages and edit them all? |
| 08:47.51 | jusae | i wanna run spectrum anaylsis on some of the source code |
| 08:48.05 | jusae | plus i can run through some of the routines already writen |
| 08:48.09 | Szeraax | what's the block device for floppy disks in /dev again? anyone? |
| 08:48.15 | jusae | fd0 |
| 08:48.17 | Szeraax | i was thinking fd0 |
| 08:48.20 | Szeraax | dang |
| 08:48.31 | jusae | mount /dev/fd0 |
| 08:48.41 | Szeraax | then, stupid gparted live cd doesn't even have floppy drivers... |
| 08:49.00 | Supaplex | modprobe floppy or something. |
| 08:49.06 | Szeraax | ha |
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| 08:49.20 | Szeraax | wtf, it didn't complain... |
| 08:49.35 | Szeraax | and now fd0 is there |
| 08:49.38 | Szeraax | holy crap |
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| 08:49.55 | Szeraax | but |
| 08:50.04 | Szeraax | fd0 is not a valid block device... |
| 08:50.46 | Szeraax | any ideas on how to get access to this floppy? |
| 08:50.53 | Szeraax | the driver is there |
| 08:50.58 | Szeraax | and loaded |
| 08:51.14 | Szeraax | but i can't mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy |
| 08:51.23 | Szeraax | (already created /mnt/floppy) |
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| 08:52.49 | jusae | its floppy0 |
| 08:52.59 | jusae | ls /media/floppy0 |
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| 08:53.27 | Szeraax | oh? |
| 08:53.33 | vook | I'm seeking some swap partition advice - I'm setting up a file server (personal), 512MB RAM... - Basically, of the dozens of linux systems I've used over the years (and since 2.6 esp.) I almost always see the the swap space isn't being used at all whatsoever. Should I just do without? |
| 08:54.10 | jusae | not a good idea |
| 08:54.40 | Szeraax | yeah, dont do that |
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| 08:54.46 | Szeraax | maybeif oyu had 2 GB |
| 08:54.50 | jusae | i thought that file servers require it, for each user will require a little chuck |
| 08:55.13 | Szeraax | or ram |
| 08:55.16 | Szeraax | of* |
| 08:55.26 | vook | that's always been my philosophy, but 'free' *always* reports "swap ###### 0 ######" |
| 08:55.36 | vook | It's just never used |
| 08:55.54 | jusae | i really need to stick my head in the kernel and my hardware is really lettin me down, i wanna cry, being poor sucks |
| 08:56.07 | Szeraax | jusae: btw, /media/floppy0 only works once the floppy is mounted |
| 08:56.42 | Szeraax | and yes, doing ls /media/floppy0 yields a no such file or directoy |
| 08:56.50 | jusae | mount /dev/fd0 -> ls /media/floppy0 |
| 08:56.56 | aFlag | well, it will work without swap, not sure what will happen if it runs out of memory, though. |
| 08:57.38 | jusae | it depends on ur kernel, swap like temp ram |
| 08:57.45 | aFlag | you can deactivate the swap and consume memory until your system runs out of it and see what happens |
| 08:57.55 | aFlag | if the behaviour is ok for you, then you don't need swap |
| 08:58.18 | jusae | my 2cents => bad idea |
| 08:58.39 | Szeraax | aFlag: yeah, with only 512 or ram, i woudn't do it either |
| 08:58.40 | jusae | especially if ur runnin the faster mobo's with sata2 or sas |
| 08:58.47 | aFlag | yeah, I have my swap, I don't use even half of my hd |
| 08:58.52 | aFlag | no harm in having it |
| 08:58.52 | Supaplex | Szeraax: if you're still having issues with floppy, the 'not debian' factoid comes to mind with gparted |
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| 08:59.15 | Szeraax | Supaplex: but debian is so much more personable |
| 08:59.23 | aFlag | but if I was very low on disc space and I thought it might be worthed |
| 08:59.34 | aFlag | I'd try out to see how things work out without swap |
| 08:59.49 | jusae | u could backup 2 disc |
| 08:59.50 | Szeraax | and besides, having the module loaded and the same kernel as my debian, the errors should be coming from my stupidity |
| 09:00.00 | Supaplex | Szeraax: grab a debian-live dvd and install the parted friends. :) |
| 09:00.26 | jusae | i need to go offline and swap drives around |
| 09:00.27 | xingu | merely having swap space will speed up memory intensive workloads; linux pre-emptively pages out unused executable pages to free up space for cache and buffers. |
| 09:00.29 | Szeraax | i dont care about parted, it was just the smalled live cd i could find to dl |
| 09:01.11 | Szeraax | Supaplex: however, i am very interested in this deb live dvd |
| 09:01.15 | Szeraax | link plz? |
| 09:01.20 | Supaplex | !debian-live |
| 09:01.21 | dpkg | i heard debian-live is in live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is still in the early stage of development, but has basic functionality and can be run successfully. Homepage: http://live.debian.net/ |
| 09:01.40 | Szeraax | cool |
| 09:01.43 | Szeraax | Supaplex: thankis |
| 09:01.58 | Supaplex | Szeraax: there are prebuilt images. grab what ever suits you, and you can apt-get install whatever (provided you have enough ram) |
| 09:02.16 | vook | well, eventually this system will have users possibly. Currently just just going to be a web server, samba, nfs... No harm in having it - true. When looking at the partitioning scheme though, normally I'd place boot up front, then swap, then root. That swap space ends up occupying the fastest area of the drive... perhaps I should just move it around a bit (have a swap file, place on a different disk, etc..) thanks |
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| 09:03.13 | jusae | is the swap at the beginning of the drive? |
| 09:03.26 | vook | I usually make swap hda2 |
| 09:03.36 | jusae | slave? |
| 09:03.37 | vook | boot=hda1 /=hda3 |
| 09:03.38 | Szeraax | Supaplex: very sleak. i think i will start out with the standard. i will also be able to distribute it to my friends and _make_ them learn shell |
| 09:03.50 | stoned | hello there |
| 09:03.54 | Szeraax | Hi! |
| 09:03.55 | vook | master |
| 09:04.01 | aFlag | you can have swap on a file also I think, some people may like that |
| 09:04.11 | stoned | its 5 am |
| 09:04.16 | stoned | I just got home |
| 09:04.16 | Szeraax | 3 here |
| 09:04.18 | stoned | im drunk |
| 09:04.22 | Szeraax | you in cali? |
| 09:04.23 | stoned | and stoned |
| 09:04.33 | stoned | i gotta crash |
| 09:04.46 | Supaplex | and for the frugal on disk space, swapd can do in a pinch (or save your $*@$( from a swapmonger/OOM task) |
| 09:05.38 | jusae | does apt-get install apt-mirror work? |
| 09:06.03 | jusae | from commandline? |
| 09:06.36 | jusae | oh |
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| 09:07.32 | jusae | another question, i forgot the passwork on the router and its set to dhcp enable, no reset button, what should i do? |
| 09:07.32 | jusae | *password |
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| 09:08.27 | aFlag | hm, the router is a computer running debian? |
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| 09:08.40 | jusae | :) no |
| 09:08.45 | D3B14N | jusae check manufacturer web site to reset the router |
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| 09:08.55 | jusae | yeah |
| 09:09.04 | D3B14N | I had the same a while ago :P |
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| 09:09.50 | arnekaiser | hi there, is there anybody who build succesfull an actual e1000 module on etch? |
| 09:10.08 | aFlag | next time have the password on a post-it near the router :P |
| 09:10.32 | jusae | i get really paranoid sometimes |
| 09:10.52 | jusae | i was in the nasa glass lockup twice |
| 09:11.16 | arnekaiser | when I do "make install" the makefile stops with the message that this module need kernel 2.4 or newer |
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| 09:11.18 | jusae | my nasa contact was helena and my ghcq contact was michael |
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| 09:11.23 | aFlag | I'm not paranoid at all. At work of course I take security seriously, but at home I'm very sloppy |
| 09:12.03 | liable | arnekaiser: its already in the kernel.. |
| 09:12.24 | jusae | long story, but i still look over my shoulder every now and again |
| 09:12.46 | liable | what the fuck? |
| 09:12.57 | xingu | arnekaiser: etch *ships* with e1000 driver... |
| 09:12.58 | mmmmmm | how do you get sloppy with security |
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| 09:13.15 | TPM|Zion-away | :D |
| 09:13.21 | jusae | good news thou, i have met the government standards for being mentally ill |
| 09:13.56 | aFlag | hehe good thing my government is not after me, I'd be paranoid also |
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| 09:14.23 | jusae | its a really long story and it was years ago |
| 09:14.50 | arnekaiser | liable: xingu yes but an old one which does not work with all nics |
| 09:15.31 | jusae | and no i don't wanna talk about it |
| 09:15.46 | aFlag | arnekaiser, are you trying to install the module for linux 2.4? |
| 09:15.58 | jusae | i need to log out switch hds to met the hd capacity of cvs mirrorin |
| 09:16.02 | jusae | later peeps |
| 09:16.39 | claudio` | I'm trying to synchronize two directories (again!) but i encountered the same problem as yesterday (identic file are removed and copied again) but this time with the `-c' flag. This is the output of the md5sum program and the relevant output of rsync(1): http://rafb.net/p/2wQxfd80.html . Does anyone have an idea? |
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| 09:17.04 | arnekaiser | aflag as far as know no. the install script take a look in version.h |
| 09:17.26 | arnekaiser | and there is definitly a kernel version 2.6.18 |
| 09:17.30 | xingu | arnekaiser: what hardware do you have? pciid would be a good start. |
| 09:17.54 | aFlag | hm, I just found it weird it saying it needs linux 2.4 or newer |
| 09:20.08 | arnekaiser | 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82566DM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 02) |
| 09:20.09 | arnekaiser | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:20.09 | arnekaiser | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:20.09 | arnekaiser | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:20.09 | arnekaiser | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:21.09 | arnekaiser | sorry |
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| 09:21.28 | claudio` | no, wrong output |
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| 09:22.34 | claudio` | This is the correct one: http://rafb.net/p/4xLPHu11.html |
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| 09:22.57 | black123131 | hey i have a slight problem with my graphics drivers |
| 09:23.57 | black123131 | i just instaleld the fglrx drivers (from the etch stables rep) and did the make of the driver and i don't have dri working anymore, can anyone help me ? |
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| 09:26.27 | black123131 | mmm |
| 09:27.19 | xingu | arnekaiser: what does modinfo /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/net/e1000/e1000.ko | grep version: say ? |
| 09:27.41 | black123131 | sorry where i'm about to come back |
| 09:27.49 | black123131 | i think i might have solved it |
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| 09:29.32 | arnekaiser | bash: 2.6.18-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/e1000/e1000.ko: No such file or directory |
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| 09:30.05 | xingu | arnekaiser: do you need a /lib/modules/ prefix there? |
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| 09:31.12 | black123131 | hi |
| 09:31.22 | arnekaiser | xingu: version: 7.1.9-k4-NAPI |
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| 09:31.36 | black123131 | yeah i'm back i think i might be closer - it might be with the radeon thingy |
| 09:31.44 | black123131 | fan 5124 0 |
| 09:31.44 | black123131 | david@secondgig:~$ glxinfo |grep radeon |
| 09:31.44 | black123131 | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
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| 09:32.01 | arnekaiser | xingu: 7.6.5 is the actual release |
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| 09:32.35 | black123131 | so... can i get some help ... |
| 09:33.09 | arnekaiser | the nic works but sometime it stops worling losing link reconnects with 100mbit |
| 09:33.11 | xingu | arnekaiser: ok so I'd take a wild guess that sid's 2.6.22 image (@ v7.3.20-k2-NAPI) will support your hw |
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| 09:34.36 | arnekaiser | xingu: i boot from a 3ware 9650 raid controller installed from a etch cd modified by 3ware so im a bit afrais to change the kernel |
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| 09:35.37 | liable | is that one of the new ones? still not supported? |
| 09:35.44 | liable | you can always try |
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| 09:36.08 | liable | bastard hardware fucktards |
| 09:36.28 | arnekaiser | iable: ;-) |
| 09:37.12 | liable | arnekaiser: are you sure it not supported in mailine yet? |
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| 09:37.39 | liable | 3ware in the past have been good |
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| 09:38.13 | arnekaiser | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:39.04 | liable | yeah, but a sid kernel may have the driver, whereas etch's kernel upgrades are just updates of the same kernel |
| 09:39.07 | arnekaiser | this cost me 15 minutes to reinstall the system but know it would take much more time |
| 09:39.20 | arnekaiser | now |
| 09:39.28 | liable | you dont have to reinstall the system, if it doesnt boot, just boot the old one |
| 09:39.30 | arnekaiser | maybe |
| 09:39.31 | xingu | arnekaiser: you'll need kernel headers most likel from what I see in v7.6.5's readme |
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| 09:40.16 | liable | the weasel is really pissing me off lately |
| 09:40.31 | arnekaiser | xingu: i installed kernel header kernel source created a version.h and struggled because of the misleaded 2.4 kernel thing |
| 09:40.57 | liable | dont install source, what does your build directory link to? |
| 09:41.38 | xingu | arnekaiser: I don't have the tools to help you further; I don't use that hardware and as a kernel guy my gut instinct is to get your system onto 2.6.22 - which is not the outcome you want. |
| 09:41.53 | claudio` | It was a filename problem. How can i ``tell'' rsync(1) to ignore the filename case? |
| 09:41.53 | liable | not that I need an excuse.. |
| 09:42.00 | xingu | arnekaiser: so - good luck. :) I purged my 2.6.18 stuff about half a year ago... |
| 09:42.11 | liable | http://myfavouritebeer.com/40-excuses-to-drink-more-beer |
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| 09:43.20 | arnekaiser | xingu: thanks... how can I install the sid kernel that i get both kernels in rub so that i can return to the old one? |
| 09:43.26 | arnekaiser | grub |
| 09:44.25 | liable | just install it with dpkg |
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| 09:46.00 | arnekaiser | ahh ok, so its just at minor updates that the kernel is replaced and not addes? |
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| 09:48.52 | liable | arnekaiser: no, i have no idea why your kernel was replaced, unless the 3ware guys made the stupid mistake of naming it the same as a debian one |
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| 09:49.20 | liable | arnekaiser: all kernels should be kept and available, unless maybe you use the meta-packages |
| 09:49.32 | liable | or remove it yourself |
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| 09:55.17 | arnekaiser | liable: ok than I will try the 2.6.22 kernel if something goes wrong I will have to cancel my weekend program |
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| 10:14.30 | black123131 | hey can i get some help with re-enabling the open source ati drivers for my card |
| 10:14.36 | black123131 | dri seems to have died ... |
| 10:15.00 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 10:15.01 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 10:15.15 | jetscreamer | aka 'give more info' |
| 10:15.23 | black123131 | !ask ati problems |
| 10:15.32 | black123131 | reconfigure the card ? ... driver... |
| 10:15.39 | black123131 | yeah.... please help lol |
| 10:15.57 | black123131 | !ask debian etch ati driver open source reconfigure |
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| 10:17.15 | black123131 | no ? |
| 10:17.30 | black123131 | LOL I FIxED IT |
| 10:17.39 | black123131 | it involved doing a dpkg-reconfigure x....ati |
| 10:17.45 | black123131 | :) |
| 10:19.53 | jetscreamer | yay |
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| 10:26.42 | arnekaiser | hey xingu and liable kernel 2.6.22 seems to run fine the e100 driver is still not the actual release but maybe the nic runs better |
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| 10:27.35 | lumgwada | hi all If a apt-get dist upgrade starts failing after 90% of the packages are downloaded is there a way to resume without it reloading everything? |
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| 10:29.10 | arnekaiser | thank you, I'm not expreienced with debian and after the bad expirence with the apt-get kernel udate i get a little bit to careful to try it again |
| 10:29.22 | jetscreamer | just do it again lumgwada they will be there |
| 10:29.33 | jetscreamer | it will take up where it left off |
| 10:30.21 | Blissex | lumgwada: you don't have to do anything. Downloaded packages are in the cache. |
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| 10:31.11 | lumgwada | jetscreamer: cheers... I think I've done it once before and it seemes to start from the start... there may have been something else going on that time... |
| 10:32.11 | jetscreamer | only if you did an apt-get clean or told some package manage rto do it (or it's set in the packagemanager as a default) |
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| 10:34.08 | lumgwada | jetscreamer, Blissex thanks for that |
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| 10:36.39 | dragon | hey i have freebsd on my master hd i was wondering if i installed debian GNu on a slave, hd and installed grub on the slave, will Grub boot up? |
| 10:36.48 | dragon | or i have to installed grub on the master? |
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| 10:37.33 | dragon | ? |
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| 10:40.24 | cast | you can install grub whereever your bios can chainload[that the right word?] it from |
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| 10:42.06 | liable | dunno about chainlod, but as long as bios can read the disk, sure |
| 10:42.14 | dragon | nice |
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| 10:46.11 | StarkD | I've tried several tutorials for my ipw2200 in my T43 to work running Etch without success. Anyone got an URL to a working tutorial? |
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| 10:46.56 | StarkD | I'm not getting any errors but the wireless doesn't appear |
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| 10:47.43 | antgel | StarkD: have you built and inserted the module? |
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| 10:49.33 | StarkD | antgel: yeah using aptitude |
| 10:50.45 | liable | StarkD: the module is in etch's kernel, all you needed was the firmware |
| 10:51.11 | liable | now you have prolly fucked things up a bit with the ieee stack |
| 10:51.45 | liable | i wish intel would keep there fucking web sites up to date instead of just abandoning them as soon as they into mailine |
| 10:51.56 | liable | mainline* |
| 10:52.34 | liable | add a "go into" to the second comment also |
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| 10:53.07 | liable | third comment even.. |
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| 10:53.37 | StarkD | liable: ok all I did was "sudo aptitude install ipw2200-modules-2.6-686" and downloaded the firmware |
| 10:54.35 | liable | StarkD: where did you put the firmware? |
| 10:54.50 | liable | wtf are there modules for new kernels? anyone? |
| 10:55.19 | jetscreamer | /lib/firmware is where it does if nobody knows... :p |
| 10:55.25 | jetscreamer | s/does/goes/ |
| 10:55.40 | fpiat | StarkD, did you load (modprobe ipw2200) the module ? any error ? |
| 10:55.45 | StarkD | liable: at first in "/lib/firmware" and then tried "/usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/" |
| 10:56.01 | liable | StarkD: /lib/firmware is the correct spot |
| 10:56.24 | liable | StarkD: you need to check dmesg after module load to find out why its failed |
| 10:56.43 | StarkD | liable: ok about half of the tutorials say /usr |
| 10:57.00 | liable | StarkD: you did unpack the firmware ? |
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| 10:57.16 | StarkD | liable: yes |
| 10:57.27 | StarkD | ieee80211_crypt: registered algorithm 'NULL' |
| 10:57.29 | liable | and which file you moved there? |
| 10:57.43 | StarkD | all of them |
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| 10:58.24 | jetscreamer | so ndiswrapper is the schznitz or what |
| 10:58.39 | liable | StarkD: paste your dmesg for someone to look at, i am heading to the pub for a quick feed |
| 10:58.49 | nevaways2k | !ndiswrapper |
| 10:58.49 | liable | jetscreamer: huh? |
| 10:58.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 10:58.54 | jetscreamer | StarkD: where did you ge tthe firmware and is it named properly |
| 10:59.18 | StarkD | liable: ok thanks |
| 10:59.25 | StarkD | jetscreamer: at http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/firmware.php |
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| 11:01.16 | StarkD | Do I need to reboot when moving the firmware files again? |
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| 11:04.48 | dav__ | hi! |
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| 11:06.18 | dav__ | i have a very strange problem, my keyboard is working ( i can use it to login the system) but when i m under KDE i have to press a key for 10 seconds before it write on the screen, other thing strange, when i do netstat i can't see my ssh connection and that netstat date from 2005!!!! i think there is a virus problem or somthing like that how can i verify that simply ? |
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| 11:07.05 | cast | fucked up xorg kb conf could cause the 10 second issue |
| 11:07.54 | dav__ | i don't understand ? |
| 11:08.07 | StarkD | still no errors or wifi with the ipw2200. What am I missing? |
| 11:08.45 | antgel | StarkD: what do the logs say? |
| 11:09.06 | StarkD | ieee80211_crypt: registered algorithm 'NULL' |
| 11:09.06 | StarkD | ieee80211: 802.11 data/management/control stack, git-1.1.13 |
| 11:09.06 | StarkD | ieee80211: Copyright (C) 2004-2005 Intel Corporation <jketreno@linux.intel.com> |
| 11:09.06 | StarkD | ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver, 1.2.0mq |
| 11:09.06 | StarkD | ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2006 Intel Corporation |
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| 11:10.05 | StarkD | sorry, haven't learing proper posting... |
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| 11:12.06 | StarkD | antgel: did you see what I posted? |
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| 11:12.31 | antgel | StarkD: no, you got kicked before you could flood the channel |
| 11:12.40 | antgel | !tell StarkD about paste |
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| 11:13.44 | StarkD | antgel: http://paste.debian.net/33997 |
| 11:14.28 | antgel | StarkD: that's it? |
| 11:14.47 | antgel | StarkD: did you read the README.Debian if there is one? |
| 11:15.02 | StarkD | antgel: well yeah from the dmesg |tail |
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| 11:15.20 | StarkD | antgel: umm nope |
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| 11:16.30 | StarkD | antgel: my whole dmesg http://paste.debian.net/33998 |
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| 11:17.21 | antgel | StarkD: read the README.Debian. if there isn't one, try the READMEs in the ipw2200-source package |
| 11:18.14 | StarkD | antgel: I would have of course, but I haven't seen any README |
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| 11:23.39 | StarkD | in this tutorial it's very simple: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Ipw2200#Installation_on_Debian_Etch |
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| 11:28.19 | antgel | StarkD: great. i don't understand the point of the ipw2200-modules- package when ipw2200 is in the main kernel image anyway, but it's saturday and maybe i'm not thinking |
| 11:28.52 | StarkD | antgel: "The kernel includes a version but if you want a more recent version install the module" |
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| 11:29.08 | antgel | i see |
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| 11:31.53 | antgel | StarkD: how do you know you're loading the module in /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/contrib/ipw2200/ipw2200.ko rather than the one from the main kernel? |
| 11:32.05 | antgel | how are you loading it? modprobe? |
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| 11:32.27 | StarkD | antgel: I have no idea :) I modprobe it yes |
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| 11:32.58 | antgel | why not modprobe -r it, and insmod the exact path above? i don't know how modprobe knows where to look |
| 11:33.09 | StarkD | antgel: But am I just missing to configure my wifi or something? Is there a next step I don't know of? |
| 11:33.49 | antgel | StarkD: do you see the interface in ifconfig -a? |
| 11:33.59 | abrotman | did he get the firmware ? |
| 11:34.05 | antgel | abrotman: yep |
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| 11:34.17 | StarkD | antgel: no |
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| 11:34.47 | antgel | jesus |
| 11:34.57 | Ronin | pathetic children heh |
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| 11:35.34 | antgel | StarkD: so if it's not in ifconfig -a, the module isn't working. try modprobe -r then insmod |
| 11:36.10 | GuHHH | what is needed to make sound work when compiling a kernel? |
| 11:36.19 | abrotman | sholdn't use insmod |
| 11:36.52 | antgel | abrotman: yeah but how else can he see if he's loading the right one? the package puts it in /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/contrib/ipw2200/ipw2200.ko |
| 11:37.00 | StarkD | antgel: done modprobe -r, but what arguments should I use for insmod? |
| 11:37.11 | antgel | StarkD: the full path to the module |
| 11:37.25 | antgel | as above but you might not have a k7 like me |
| 11:37.41 | abrotman | antgel: it wouldn't load ? |
| 11:38.08 | antgel | abrotman: but there's also one in /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko |
| 11:38.17 | liable | why not use insmod? |
| 11:38.29 | abrotman | !insmod |
| 11:38.29 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
| 11:38.30 | antgel | the contrib one is provided by ipw2200-modules-2.6-k7 |
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| 11:40.39 | antgel | "insmod only loads what you tell it to load" - perfect ;) |
| 11:40.55 | abrotman | so it won't load dependencies ? |
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| 11:41.12 | CAiRO_ | does somebody know how i can work around having to set "AuthBasicAuthoritative Off" in each single .htaccess file after upgrading to etch/apache2.2 where auth is done with mod_auth_mysql? |
| 11:41.28 | antgel | yeah, but hopefully there are no deps on this module *shrug* |
| 11:41.40 | abrotman | good plan |
| 11:41.45 | StarkD | confused :) should I do a "sudo aptitude remove ipw2200-modules-2.6-686 ipw2200-modules-2.6.18-4-686" ? |
| 11:41.52 | liable | modprobe actually runs insmod iirc |
| 11:41.54 | antgel | StarkD: no, why? |
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| 11:42.44 | antgel | StarkD: if you're that green, please paste output of find /lib/firmware |
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| 11:43.05 | abrotman | heh |
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| 11:43.27 | dav__ | so could someone help me!!! ? i can't use my keyboard normally under KDE (10 second to write a key) but i don't have that problem with other users ... |
| 11:43.34 | dav__ | and before i never had that problem |
| 11:43.53 | StarkD | antgel: http://paste.debian.net/33999 |
| 11:44.08 | liable | StarkD: you still going? |
| 11:44.17 | StarkD | liable: yeah :) |
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| 11:44.38 | antgel | StarkD: pretty interesting. :P now bloody remove the module and insmod the contrib one already! |
| 11:44.40 | abrotman | dav__: you might also want to ask #debian-kde |
| 11:44.58 | antgel | !kdesmite dav__ |
| 11:45.16 | antgel | *sigh* maybe i should put some clothes on |
| 11:45.43 | StarkD | antgel: hehe thanks for helping out a noob |
| 11:45.53 | liable | unfortunately, you just gave me a mental picture i didnt need to visualise :( |
| 11:46.10 | antgel | no, it's okay, i'm wearing pants |
| 11:46.16 | antgel | (english pants) |
| 11:46.30 | liable | not moomoo? |
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| 11:46.32 | abrotman | antgel: modprobe -l *ipw2200* |
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| 11:46.53 | oleth | hi, I try to compile mysql 5.0.45 on debian. I do ./confirure but then make says "no targets specified and no makefile found". MySQL or debian realted? Any ideas? |
| 11:47.36 | antgel | StarkD: what abortman said ^^ |
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| 11:48.34 | antgel | oleth: is 5.0.32 not good enough? |
| 11:48.35 | StarkD | antgel, abrotman: got this /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/contrib/ipw2200/ipw2200.ko |
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| 11:49.44 | oleth | antgel: I have to use a feature which is bugfixed in 5.0.45 :-( |
| 11:50.05 | oleth | antgel: and I can't use apt as I want to add some lines of code... |
| 11:50.37 | antgel | oleth: i'm amazed that you can code but can't compile. :) considered a sid backport? |
| 11:50.45 | oleth | antgel: but I can't compile it (without the modifications) |
| 11:50.52 | abrotman | oleth: which feature is that ? did mysql finally get INSERT support ? |
| 11:51.02 | oleth | antgel: not much linux experience :-( |
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| 11:51.16 | oleth | abrotman: :-) |
| 11:51.19 | antgel | oleth: welcome to non-toy computing |
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| 11:52.03 | antgel | oleth: 5.0.45 is in debian unstable, provided you're not a total gimp, you might be able to build a backport to run on etch (i assume you're running etch) |
| 11:52.12 | abrotman | !tell oleth about simple sid backport |
| 11:52.34 | abrotman | oleth: be aware you'll be responsible for security issues, etc on your own |
| 11:52.47 | oleth | antgel: sid backport?? |
| 11:52.56 | abrotman | sid is unstable |
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| 11:54.08 | oleth | abrotman: I have installed from a testing and then did a apt-get update (which updated most of the system) |
| 11:54.23 | oleth | abrotman: but everything seems to work ok.. |
| 11:54.28 | abrotman | oleth: you're running testing on a production server ? |
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| 11:54.48 | oleth | abrotman: no, a simple laptop |
| 11:55.04 | oleth | abrotman: to test features :-) |
| 11:55.04 | abrotman | oleth: aptitude update && apt-cache policy mysql-server |
| 11:55.10 | Azio | some of us had problems with libc without testing/etch latest stable |
| 11:55.27 | Kervan | I can not connect to XDMCP with windows Machine. I see Wrong username and password every time. I can see login screen... What is my problem? |
| 11:56.01 | antgel | Kervan: your problem is that you can't be bothered to give enough info for anyone to care |
| 11:56.07 | Azio | lol |
| 11:56.13 | antgel | s/anyone/me |
| 11:56.13 | oleth | abrotman: I haven't installed mysql via apt at all. I have simply downloaded the sources. |
| 11:56.23 | xand | Kervan: you entered the wrong username or password.; |
| 11:56.28 | Azio | s/anyoneabletohelpwiththatinfo/all |
| 11:56.28 | Azio | :> |
| 11:56.55 | Kervan | xand: no I tried a lot of times. |
| 11:56.59 | Azio | lol |
| 11:57.05 | Azio | then maybe you set the pass wrong somewhere? |
| 11:57.17 | xand | are you trying as root? |
| 11:57.29 | Azio | maybe its using the wrong userfile :> |
| 11:57.33 | Kervan | yes "both root" and "kervan" |
| 11:57.50 | antgel | it's always best to do everything as root, that way you don't need to worry about permissions :P |
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| 11:58.01 | Kervan | I want to say I can connect to localhost but I can not connect with an other machine |
| 11:58.04 | xand | well root isn't allowed to login to X by default... |
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| 11:59.00 | abrotman | oleth: why? 5.0.45 is in testing already |
| 11:59.17 | abrotman | antgel: don't say that .. |
| 11:59.39 | antgel | abrotman: even with the :P ? |
| 11:59.50 | abrotman | antgel: SDNWOTN |
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| 12:00.35 | antgel | abrotman: troo. er, i retract my above comment? |
| 12:00.56 | oleth | abrotman: SHOW PROFILES mainly (in order to measure time spent in some parts of the code) |
| 12:01.02 | antgel | i like lettuce, it's a great vegetable! |
| 12:01.18 | antgel | oleth: like he said, 5.0.45 is in testing, just install it |
| 12:01.20 | abrotman | oleth: sure .. but the version you want is already available to you as a package |
| 12:01.28 | abrotman | oleth: aptitude install mysql-server |
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| 12:02.02 | oleth | abrotman: yep, but I want to add some code to the source... and then run the modified mysql-server |
| 12:02.13 | abrotman | oleth: you failed to mention that |
| 12:02.19 | abrotman | at all |
| 12:02.21 | abrotman | anywhere |
| 12:02.23 | abrotman | at any time |
| 12:02.24 | antgel | he did kind of |
| 12:02.29 | abrotman | didn't! |
| 12:02.29 | antgel | !tell abrotman about enter |
| 12:02.40 | antgel | abrotman: don't make me scroll up! |
| 12:02.43 | zamuro | lol |
| 12:02.46 | abrotman | antgel: you don't know how! |
| 12:02.54 | zamuro | abrotman: owned! |
| 12:03.22 | oleth | abrotman: sorry I mentioned I don't want to use apt in order to add some lines of code :-( |
| 12:03.29 | abrotman | oleth: is build-essential installed ? |
| 12:03.46 | antgel | oleth: you can still get the source with apt, and build a .deb package with your mods |
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| 12:04.57 | oleth | abrotman: "build-essential " how can I see that? |
| 12:05.30 | abrotman | dpkg -l |
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| 12:07.24 | oleth | " dgkg -l | grep build " doesn't mention build-essential.. |
| 12:07.52 | GuHHH | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.33 | antgel | GuHHH: what have you tried so far? |
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| 12:10.39 | Pupeno | Helo. |
| 12:10.52 | abrotman | oleth: dpkg -l build* |
| 12:10.56 | darsie | ehlo |
| 12:11.03 | Pupeno | What was the name of that program that would wrap "make install" and make a deb package? |
| 12:11.15 | abrotman | dh_make ? |
| 12:11.44 | darsie | debian/?? |
| 12:11.50 | Pupeno | abrotman: isn't that only to run make in the creation of a package, once you have the debian directory and all that? |
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| 12:12.21 | TPM|Zion-away | if my debian is behind a proxy (http:8080 & ftp: 2121) then how can I configure the console to use the internet? (e.g. ntpdate or just ping) |
| 12:12.32 | darsie | can I make a GRUB boot floppy with a kernel on it? |
| 12:12.39 | Pupeno | I mean, running foo make install would ask you a couple of questions, wizard-like, a build a simple deb package. Where foo is the name of the program I can't find/remember. |
| 12:12.44 | drbair | darsie: kernel is usually too big to fit on a floppy |
| 12:12.54 | abrotman | ZionDUC: you can't |
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| 12:13.03 | Tremitos | hi |
| 12:13.04 | abrotman | !grub floppy |
| 12:13.04 | dpkg | i heard grub floppy image is ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
| 12:13.08 | ZionDUC | abrotman: thanks |
| 12:13.10 | drbair | that said you can make it small enough by stripping crap out |
| 12:13.15 | GuHHH | antgel: mount :) |
| 12:13.16 | oleth | abrotman: no packadges found either. I try to do apt-get but something's wrong with the network (the IRC is a differnt machine) |
| 12:13.17 | darsie | drbair: maybe an unusual kernel. |
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| 12:13.25 | abrotman | oleth: well .. fix your network first |
| 12:13.41 | abrotman | oleth: then aptitude install build-essential |
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| 12:14.05 | ZionDUC | and can i use java applets from any browser somehow? |
| 12:14.14 | oleth | abrotman: is there a reason for aptitude instead of apt-install? |
| 12:14.39 | antgel | oleth: as you're new... |
| 12:14.40 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 12:14.41 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 12:14.46 | antgel | !tell oleth about reference |
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| 12:14.53 | antgel | !tell oleth about unix lessons |
| 12:15.01 | Pupeno | I was searching for checkinstall. |
| 12:15.37 | darsie | or ... have a filesystem on the boot floppy at all. IMHO GRUB goes on more than just the first block, so does that collide with a usual file system? |
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| 12:15.55 | abrotman | Pupeno: oh .. i misunderstood .. there's checkinstall and stow |
| 12:16.41 | ZionDUC | can i use java applets from any browser behind proxy somehow? (in windows and/or in linux) |
| 12:17.00 | Pupeno | abrotman: any reason to use stow instead of checkinstall? |
| 12:17.02 | _Ahti | Depends |
| 12:17.12 | abrotman | Pupeno: uhm .. they're different |
| 12:18.07 | oleth | anbrotman: I meant, apt-get install. But I trust you guys :-) I 'll come back later when I fix the network (thanks for the lessons too :-) |
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| 12:18.36 | abrotman | oleth: do you know what's wrong with the network? did it work before ? |
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| 12:20.15 | oleth | abrotman: its a damned cable... (long story) I 'll simply use another's machine modem. Thanks anyway! |
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| 12:21.23 | ann0ia | Is it normal that the gnome menu doesn't do anything for about five seconds when you click it the first time? |
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| 12:22.05 | abrotman | annoia: mine are slow sometimes |
| 12:22.27 | annoia | abrotman - This is every time, when I've rebooted the system. |
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| 12:22.52 | annoia | abrotman - But only the combined menu, AFAIK |
| 12:22.53 | abrotman | annoia: right |
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| 12:28.47 | naiv | I got a problem with the sound. mpg321 plays, but i don't ear anything, lsmod says snd_ac97_codec used 1, so i think it's ok, but /dev/dsp doesn't exists ^^, any clue ? |
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| 12:29.39 | antgel | /dev/dsp isn't alsa, it's oss |
| 12:29.51 | antgel | you checked the volumes and mutes? |
| 12:30.23 | Azio | hm interesting question |
| 12:30.31 | abrotman | did you load snd_pcm_oss |
| 12:30.39 | Azio | i've noticed /dev/dsp uses a different controller than alsa |
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| 12:30.49 | jotham | how do i find out the current x resolution from the commandline |
| 12:30.50 | Azio | is there any way to direct /dev/dsp to alsa? |
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| 12:30.54 | naiv | i just install a new Debian, with KDE |
| 12:31.13 | antgel | jotham: xdpyinfo |
| 12:31.24 | o2T7 | hi |
| 12:31.25 | naiv | and i don't find an installed mixer like aumix |
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| 12:31.42 | o2T7 | at boot time, i get tsdev is sheduled for removal |
| 12:31.46 | naiv | is alsa installed by default ? |
| 12:31.50 | o2T7 | I don't need that module |
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| 12:32.06 | o2T7 | How could i ramove it permanently without reconfiguring the kernel? |
| 12:32.10 | o2T7 | remove* |
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| 12:32.44 | o2T7 | naiv: isn't alsamixer installed? |
| 12:33.33 | mbuf | compiled 2.6.22.1 on debian etch using fakeroot, on booting it hangs at "Begin: Waiting for root file system", been googling around, and using yaird doesn't help either (creates small ramdisk image), any suggestions? |
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| 12:34.00 | antgel | mbuf: what tool did you compile with, and what exactly did you type? |
| 12:34.03 | abrotman | o2T7: you can't |
| 12:34.26 | abrotman | jotham: or xrandr |
| 12:34.26 | mbuf | antgel, fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image modules_image |
| 12:34.29 | naiv | o2T7: alsa mixer isn't installed, i did not installed anything manually, nor alsa, nor oss, just debian basic install and kde |
| 12:34.46 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 12:34.46 | dpkg | [alsa one-liner] apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 12:34.54 | naiv | abrotman: snd_pcm was loaded, i did modprobe snd_pcm_oss without results |
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| 12:35.10 | antgel | mbuf: quite likely you are missing the driver / module for either your filesystem or your hard drive |
| 12:35.13 | abrotman | and is /dev/dsp there now ? |
| 12:35.30 | mbuf | antgel, it installs both kernel and initrd, and updates menu.lst; |
| 12:35.40 | naiv | abrotman: right it is there now ! |
| 12:36.03 | antgel | mbuf: nothing to do with what i said ^^ |
| 12:36.14 | abrotman | o2T7: you could blacklist the module |
| 12:36.19 | o2T7 | abrotman: and how telling the system not to load it at boot time? |
| 12:36.24 | mbuf | antgel, the .config was copioed from the working 2.6.18-4-686 kernel config in /boot |
| 12:36.26 | jotham | abrotman: how common is xrandr? |
| 12:36.26 | o2T7 | oh, ok |
| 12:36.33 | mbuf | *copied |
| 12:36.38 | antgel | mbuf: did you make oldconfig? |
| 12:36.40 | abrotman | jotham: ? you either have ir or you don't |
| 12:36.46 | abrotman | o2T7: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 12:36.55 | o2T7 | fine :) |
| 12:37.24 | mbuf | antgel, just used fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image modules_image; should i do make oldconfig before that? i did make menuconfig and saved the file |
| 12:37.26 | jotham | abrotman: i'm a developer, i was just curious about it's history, i've never heard of it before |
| 12:37.34 | jotham | abrotman: before i make my program depend on it =po |
| 12:37.53 | naiv | is there a default mixer for debian or oss, i don't know, to unmute levels, i know it will work with alsa, but is it necessary to install alsa ? |
| 12:38.01 | abrotman | jotham: oh .. since Xorg 7 i think |
| 12:38.02 | mbuf | antgel, i'll try that |
| 12:38.06 | jotham | thanks abrotman |
| 12:38.08 | antgel | mbuf: i reckon make oldconfig is always a good idea when using a config from an old version |
| 12:38.10 | abrotman | jotham: ask #xorg for more |
| 12:38.12 | abrotman | info |
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| 12:41.14 | xand | more cake |
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| 12:41.52 | CAiRO_ | how can i insert a line of text after line 2 into a text file from command line? |
| 12:42.00 | o2T7 | How could i know which of them am really using? |
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| 12:43.29 | o2T7 | My lsmod output is too big :o, I tend to not remove modules if I am not suer |
| 12:43.34 | o2T7 | sure* |
| 12:43.40 | o2T7 | of being needing them |
| 12:43.49 | abrotman | | less |
| 12:43.52 | o2T7 | Now, with system running |
| 12:44.10 | o2T7 | how can I see if they are being really used |
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| 12:44.38 | o2T7 | "Used by"? |
| 12:44.54 | o2T7 | Is it safe to remove every one marked with 0 ? |
| 12:45.02 | abrotman | try a freaking man page |
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| 12:46.21 | aFlag | o2T7, why do you want to unload modules? |
| 12:46.43 | o2T7 | aFlag, I want to remove them from the kernel |
| 12:46.53 | XtypeWriter74 | hi. is there a method to use to nameservers at the same time for to interfaces? |
| 12:46.56 | aFlag | why? |
| 12:47.02 | o2T7 | for making it lighter |
| 12:47.37 | aFlag | it probably wont make any difference |
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| 12:48.16 | o2T7 | ok. But I thought it was good to not run services that are not needed |
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| 12:48.24 | o2T7 | perhaps a security risk? |
| 12:48.31 | abrotman | it's not a service |
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| 12:49.00 | abrotman | !es |
| 12:49.01 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:49.06 | o2T7 | so not vulnerable? |
| 12:49.18 | naiv | abrotman: thanks, it worked with alsa, but i don't understand why i have to install alsa to get the sound working ^^, it should exists a command to unmute the sound |
| 12:49.35 | abrotman | naiv: huh ? |
| 12:50.10 | naiv | if i did understand, alsa is a replacement of oss ? and the sound wasn't working because it was muted ? |
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| 12:50.25 | abrotman | or because snd_pcm_oss wasn't loaded ? |
| 12:50.35 | wij32 | does anyone have a link for me to set up an ssh server on my box? |
| 12:51.01 | naiv | abrotman: when i did load snd_pcm_oss, it has created the famous /dev/dsp, but didn't output sounds |
| 12:51.13 | abrotman | oh |
| 12:51.23 | abrotman | wij32: aptitude install openssh-server |
| 12:51.36 | mmmmmm | aptitude install ssh |
| 12:51.47 | abrotman | naiv: i think it will remember the level now .. you might want to put the module name in /etc/modules |
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| 12:51.58 | aFlag | o2T7, removing them shouldn't really improve the security of your system. If you really want to remove them you should know your hardware, know your system and remove them and check. That will probably be very boring and might make your system less stable than it was before. |
| 12:52.16 | wij32 | abrotman: thanks. btw, whats the difference between aptitude and apt-get? |
| 12:52.24 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 12:52.24 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
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| 12:58.16 | o2T7 | 101 modules loaded, aren't too many? |
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| 12:58.51 | CAiRO_ | why does apt still say "the public key is not available" for ftp.de.debian.org even though i've installed debian-keyring and debian-archive-keyring? |
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| 12:59.19 | mbuf | anordby, that didn't help; the HOWTOs seem to follow the same kernel compile instructions; is it some problem with mkinitramfs? |
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| 13:01.56 | mbuf | how do i rebuild linux-kbuild-2.6.18 with an updated .config file? |
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| 13:07.46 | jakub_ | http://www.debianforums.org/viewtopic.php?pid=13 |
| 13:07.48 | jakub_ | please help me :( |
| 13:07.54 | jakub_ | there is the problem explantation |
| 13:08.26 | sn0 | jakub_ you are missing the md5sum package |
| 13:08.35 | sn0 | and possibly debhelper too |
| 13:08.47 | jakub_ | thx |
| 13:08.51 | sn0 | yw ;) |
| 13:09.18 | jakub_ | md5sum ? |
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| 13:09.38 | sn0 | yep md5sum and debhelper, you can install them both from apt/aptitude |
| 13:10.04 | jakub_ | i dont have md5sum |
| 13:10.07 | jakub_ | i`m on testing |
| 13:11.23 | jakub_ | eh |
| 13:11.26 | jakub_ | this is big debian bug |
| 13:11.31 | jakub_ | i`m reading on websites |
| 13:12.20 | pingouin | where are the w32codecs for amd-64 Debian/etc ? |
| 13:12.48 | stew | jakub_: md5sum is in coreutils, so you definately should have it |
| 13:12.56 | sn0 | jakub_ you need to install it and the debhelper package |
| 13:13.03 | sn0 | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=dh_md5sums&searchmode=searchfilesanddirs&case=insensitive&version=testing&arch=i386 |
| 13:13.07 | antgel | CAiRO_: /topic |
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| 13:13.30 | stew | jakub_: what does "dpkg -l coreutils | tail -1" report? |
| 13:13.37 | h3sp4wn | pingouin: There is not any packaged - you can get a few 64 bit codecs direct from the mplayer site |
| 13:14.01 | jakub_ | ii coreutils 5.97-5.3 The GNU core utilities |
| 13:14.12 | pingouin | h3sp4wn: oh, ok many thanks for the 'bad' news |
| 13:14.18 | h3sp4wn | pingouin: (I think they come from a windows 64 bit version of realplayer - for the most part are rarely need anything that I cannot play anyway) |
| 13:14.36 | stew | jakub_: and what about "ls -l /usr/bin/md5sum" ? |
| 13:14.39 | pingouin | h3sp4wn: ok, thanks |
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| 13:15.16 | jakub_ | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 22116 2007-01-30 19:51 /usr/bin/md5sum |
| 13:15.19 | stew | oh |
| 13:16.09 | stew | i thought the error was that md5sum wasn't found |
| 13:16.15 | xand | it was :) |
| 13:16.46 | xand | maybe the $PATH is broken |
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| 13:17.33 | stew | xand: if it was, then all the calls to dh_anything would also have failed |
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| 13:22.02 | riot | hmmm.. since last upgrade (unstable, yesterday) some xfonts are missing and "update-fonts-dir misc" complains about "warning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc does not exist or is not a directory" .. how can i fix that? |
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| 13:25.44 | riot | ok. resolved. |
| 13:25.45 | abrotman | make the directory or take it out o the font path config |
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| 13:26.50 | riot | abrotman: no, rather not, the bug is known and already fixed :) |
| 13:27.19 | riot | anyone claim debian were slow again, i'm gonna slap him around with some xfonts-utils package. |
| 13:27.40 | abrotman | riot: darn! |
| 13:27.55 | wiebel | hi i've got a most anoying keyboard problem after updating lenny, my Mod1 and Mod2 Keys both generate a output instead of trigger my hotkey events |
| 13:28.05 | wiebel | is there anything known? |
| 13:28.23 | LinuxBlues | how can I add the /pool/ repo to my desktop?, could someone paste it at www.rafb.net/paste , please? |
| 13:28.48 | riot | oh, well. the fix is quite old.. But my apt-mirror seems quite slow. For being the main european sunsite, thats quite bad. |
| 13:28.48 | abrotman | LinuxBlues: you don't |
| 13:28.53 | LinuxBlues | I meant sources.list line |
| 13:29.00 | abrotman | LinuxBlues: that's just where they are stored .. it's not a repo |
| 13:29.11 | LinuxBlues | oh, I see |
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| 13:29.18 | abrotman | !tell LinuxBlues about sources.list |
| 13:29.27 | LinuxBlues | thnx |
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| 13:32.21 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 13:32.29 | pzn | Hi! I use debian in a "diskless+xdmcp" configuration. I have 10 clients and one server, and it runs very well in a wired-eth 100mbps. I'll move to another place where is dificult to put wires. will it work Ok in a wireless-54mbps environment? most distant computer is 20 meters, no walls between them. any hints? |
| 13:33.15 | abrotman | pzn: if you can get linux drivers for the cards .. 802.11n should be much faster |
| 13:33.25 | abrotman | pzn: but as for 11g .. only testing will tell you for sure |
| 13:33.40 | abrotman | pzn: or you could set all your clients down to 10Mb and see how it performas |
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| 13:34.36 | antgel | pzn: how are you expecting to boot the clients? |
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| 13:35.09 | pzn | antgel, they boot with pxe |
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| 13:35.31 | pzn | abrotman, nice idea! I'll put the server down to 10mbps... that should be enough for testing! |
| 13:35.39 | abrotman | pzn: they boot with pxe over wireless too ? |
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| 13:36.03 | antgel | pzn: yeah, how are you gonna boot them over wireless? |
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| 13:36.25 | abrotman | antgel: they do make those funny devices that plug into your LAN jack that makes them wifi |
| 13:36.30 | abrotman | no drivers wrequired |
| 13:36.31 | pzn | abrotman, that I still don't know. I'll get one wireless access point + 1 802.11g NIC for testing on monday. |
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| 13:36.44 | antgel | abrotman: annoying though |
| 13:36.57 | abrotman | pzn: those "gaming adapters" they sell .. don't require drivers and might work for you |
| 13:37.07 | antgel | pzn: suggest you investigate this - istr that there are ways of doing this - try the ltsp wiki |
| 13:37.26 | antgel | pxe over wifi is hardly standard |
| 13:37.45 | abrotman | the thing i was talking about would still be regular PXE |
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| 13:38.20 | xeon9 | hey which is bleeding edge. testing or unstable. absolutely bleeding |
| 13:38.35 | antgel | !tell xeon9 about releases |
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| 13:40.02 | pzn | antgel, abrotman: ok, I'll read more about pxe with wireless... thanks for the hint about the "wired/wireless" adapter. |
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| 13:40.06 | wiebel | any ideas? modifier keys are generating output? |
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| 13:40.13 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 13:40.14 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once) |
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| 13:44.11 | wiebel | abrotman, thx but it looks all nice in xev, everything was fine until now |
| 13:44.36 | abrotman | are the hot key definitions still there ? |
| 13:45.02 | qrck | what's the default SysRq Key ? |
| 13:45.28 | qrck | which key on keyboard i mean |
| 13:45.42 | qrck | ctrl_alt + <what> ? |
| 13:45.50 | wiebel | abrotman, sure, i'm using fvwm-crystal and cont fullscreen my windows anymore |
| 13:46.00 | wiebel | :cont:can't |
| 13:46.12 | abrotman | wiebel: uhm .. can you fullscreen them at all ? |
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| 13:46.43 | wiebel | abrotman, sure |
| 13:46.57 | wiebel | but there is no way back without the hotkey |
| 13:46.59 | abrotman | wiebel: just asking since for awhile i couldn't fullscreen anything |
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| 13:47.11 | wiebel | odd |
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| 13:47.40 | abrotman | wiebel: tried mapping it to like .. an F## key or anything .. just to see if it works at all? no modifier keys |
| 13:47.42 | wiebel | e.g when i press "mod1+`" i get a § in my console |
| 13:48.10 | antgel | wiebel: does this happen in different terminal emulators? |
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| 13:48.33 | abrotman | or different window managers |
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| 13:49.02 | wiebel | funny no only with (u)xterm not with aterm |
| 13:49.03 | SamuraiDio | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_testing_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages |
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| 13:49.22 | antgel | wiebel: locale? |
| 13:49.42 | wiebel | de_DE.utf8 |
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| 13:49.47 | antgel | wiebel: you mean it happens with uxterm /and/ xterm? |
| 13:49.54 | wiebel | exactly |
| 13:50.09 | antgel | wiebel: you know what i'm thinking :) |
| 13:50.22 | wiebel | ?no? |
| 13:50.26 | antgel | aptitude install rxvt-unicode :D |
| 13:50.37 | antgel | or is it urxvt? |
| 13:50.38 | riot | hmhmm.. whats necessary after a font-installation to actually _use_ the fonts? They do not appear in xfontsel.. |
| 13:50.52 | antgel | riot: reload font cache |
| 13:51.00 | wiebel | can't help it also doesn't work if I'm focused on aterm or whatever |
| 13:51.15 | riot | antgel: its rxvt-unicode(|-ml|-lite) |
| 13:51.15 | wiebel | xset fb rehash |
| 13:51.57 | wiebel | sry was xset fp rehash |
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| 13:52.07 | riot | hhmm.. still not in there |
| 13:52.55 | riot | dumb urxvt totally refuses to start, when given a non-usable font.. stupid behaviour, imho |
| 13:53.31 | riot | the relevant font is there, i've seen the pcf.gz's |
| 13:53.42 | wiebel | something is broken here .. reboot ..bbl |
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| 13:54.38 | minerale | can I have a procmail rule that rejects/deletes all emails? |
| 13:55.38 | riot | There was some helper tool to update/install xfonts, but i don't remember :( |
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| 13:56.20 | xingu | minerale: if you can come up with one that reads it and tells the clueless where the door is it'd be useful. |
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| 13:57.14 | minerale | xingu: I'm sorry I don't understand |
| 13:57.15 | riot | minerale: you mean something to shove mails to /dev/null? Easy, use that as target. |
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| 13:57.58 | minerale | I was hoping for the mail to get rejected as it was received, such that no one thinks they sucessfully sent me email to that address |
| 13:58.16 | riot | minerale: if procmail is already handling that email - its too late |
| 13:58.21 | riot | (afaik) |
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| 13:58.58 | riot | yea, you mentioned it already, "as it was received" procmail doesn't receive it. Your mailserver does. |
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| 13:59.39 | xeon9 | fuseftp!!!!!!!!! fuck yes |
| 14:00.08 | riot | ahahahahlol!! my xorg has _old_ obsolete paths for where to look for fonts :D |
| 14:01.08 | riot | wee, creeps me out. Why are there 100000 locations to store fonts? |
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| 14:02.42 | SapoChule | are there any logs of this channel posted publicly? |
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| 14:03.52 | riot | aaah, adding the one with my fonts inside helped :) |
| 14:04.59 | stew | SapoChule: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/ |
| 14:05.31 | wiebel | i can use mod1-^ to get my quake console until i restart fvwm then it starts to switch desktops with the same hotkey |
| 14:05.46 | wiebel | this drives me seriously mad |
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| 14:06.18 | EmleyMoor | People keep telling me I'm quiet when I make calls from here - is there anyone I can test this with? |
| 14:06.33 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: your mother ? |
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| 14:06.42 | antgel | heh |
| 14:06.47 | antgel | the olds ones are the best |
| 14:06.51 | antgel | abrotman's mother? |
| 14:06.58 | EmleyMoor | abrotman: I doubt it - she's within spitting distance |
| 14:07.00 | abrotman | go ahead .. she'd be happy to hear from random people |
| 14:07.07 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: your grandmother ? |
| 14:07.18 | EmleyMoor | Dead |
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| 14:07.26 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: btw .. have you tested this "spitting distance" bit ? :) |
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| 14:10.24 | SapoChule | stew -> thanks |
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| 14:10.51 | SORMANOV | anyone's good at snmp configuration ? |
| 14:11.00 | SORMANOV | i've installed snmpd on my debian box and uncommented this line com2sec readonly 10.10.2.0/24 public |
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| 14:11.06 | SORMANOV | is that all what i have to let cacti monitor this box ? |
| 14:11.11 | SORMANOV | when doing this: netstat -an --udp|grep 161 |
| 14:11.17 | SORMANOV | i get udp 0 0 127.0.0.1:161 0.0.0.0:* |
| 14:11.21 | SORMANOV | meaning that snmpd is listening on localhost only |
| 14:11.22 | sebdah | How may I change the language of the system (from a terminal) and would that affect things such as the current encoding on the server? |
| 14:11.27 | SORMANOV | is that logic ? |
| 14:12.41 | EmleyMoor | I just left myself two voicemails - one over Zap and one over IAX - equally moderate in volume |
| 14:13.03 | asg | sebdah: /msg dpkg locales |
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| 14:13.24 | EmleyMoor | I suspect it's either BT or other people that are having problems |
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| 14:13.43 | sebdah | thanks asg |
| 14:13.49 | bolt | any ideas on where I can set the volume of the headphone/external speaker port of the mac mini (intel)? with aumix, I see only one volume var, and it control the volume of the built-in speaker only, and that is disabled automagically when I plug in external speakers |
| 14:13.55 | CAiRO_ | hmm, why does the proftpd package does not have any logrotate files included? |
| 14:14.34 | asg | CAiRO_: proftpd might rotate its own logs, not sure though |
| 14:14.35 | EmleyMoor | bolt: Perhaps it's on a different mixer device? Not sure how you change devices with aumix |
| 14:14.54 | CAiRO_ | asg: ok, i see now it is done via cron |
| 14:15.21 | bolt | EmleyMoor: any other oss mixers i should use instead? |
| 14:15.53 | EmleyMoor | bolt: Sorry, not familiar with oss mixer programs these days |
| 14:16.18 | abrotman | bolt: you're likely using alsa .. use the alsa-mixer |
| 14:17.06 | asg | SORMANOV: you would need to add a non-localhost address in /etc/default/snmpd SNMPDOPTS per the LISTENING ADDRESSES section of snmpd(8) |
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| 14:17.41 | EmleyMoor | I like the Volume Control I am using in the GNOME desktop - wonderful at allowing me to choose among the devices |
| 14:17.41 | antgel | asg: couldn't you just say rtfm? :P |
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| 14:17.53 | asg | SORMANOV: unless cacti is on the same box at which point it shouldn't matter since it could just access the localhost address |
| 14:17.58 | wiebel | how can i force apt-get to reinstall a packet? |
| 14:18.08 | asg | antgel: I could but then I'd have to explain which FM to R |
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| 14:18.45 | SORMANOV | asg, cacti's on another host |
| 14:19.12 | asg | SORMANOV: also, I'd strongly suggest you configure v3 support since you get encryption; v1 and v2 are horribly insecure. |
| 14:19.56 | SORMANOV | asg, am seeing how to get that |
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| 14:21.56 | bolt | abrotman: lsmod | grep alsa returns absolutely nothing, but for some reason, the front channel of alsamixer does control the volume of the external sound. the internal speaker is unaffected by this, and none of the other sliders (center, rear, even master) do anything. |
| 14:22.05 | bolt | abrotman: but anyway, i got the volume set. thanks :) |
| 14:22.49 | abrotman | it's not called alsa |
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| 14:25.03 | SORMANOV | asg, is this ok: SNMPDOPTS='-Lsd -Lf /dev/null -p /var/run/snmpd.pid 10.10.2.254:161' |
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| 14:27.42 | eth01 | bash: w: command not found |
| 14:27.44 | eth01 | :S |
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| 14:28.42 | N[i]X | hello |
| 14:28.52 | N[i]X | i was trying to make a file and got this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32487/ |
| 14:28.57 | N[i]X | can anybody help? |
| 14:31.41 | abrotman | N[i]X: on your ubuntu box ? |
| 14:31.46 | antgel | N[i]X: sure. install the openssl headers. you are missing e.g. ssl.h. find out what package contains that file and install it |
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| 14:32.45 | N[i]X | abrotman: yes on ubuntu |
| 14:33.17 | antgel | !topicsmite N[i]X |
| 14:33.17 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon N[i]X. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 14:33.35 | antgel | and that's just one of many possible smites |
| 14:33.46 | N[i]X | antgel: what do you mean by installing the headers? i tried to install openssl but it says that it is installed |
| 14:34.06 | N[i]X | i know that this is not ubuntu |
| 14:34.15 | N[i]X | bit i still asked if i could get some help |
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| 14:34.33 | xsdg | N[i]X: openssl-dev? |
| 14:34.37 | N[i]X | if you dont want to bother yourself helping me, then goodbye |
| 14:34.38 | antgel | N[i]X: you failed to read all of what i wrote |
| 14:34.40 | N[i]X | xsdg. 1 sec |
| 14:34.51 | xsdg | N[i]X: keep in mind that package names and contents differ between debian and ubuntu, so advice that we offer may be useless |
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| 14:35.24 | N[i]X | xsdg: i am aware of that. but i appreciate any help given ;) |
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| 14:36.44 | eth01 | why is my machine asking me to enter run level? |
| 14:37.07 | _DunK_ | how can I set Alt Gr to generate mod3? |
| 14:37.46 | xsdg | _DunK_: "xmodmap" is the standard answer (for X); I'm not sure if there's something more "civilized" these days |
| 14:38.45 | N[i]X | thanks guys |
| 14:38.46 | N[i]X | it works |
| 14:38.50 | _DunK_ | xsdg: That works a treat, beut gets ignored in my .xsession |
| 14:38.52 | SapoChule | anyone has any news from KDE 4 packages? (-: |
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| 14:39.06 | asg | SORMANOV: you shouldn't need to include the ':161' |
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| 14:39.23 | xsdg | _DunK_: what do you mean by "ignored in .xsession"? |
| 14:39.33 | asg | SORMANOV: though it won't hurt to do so |
| 14:39.53 | N[i]X | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32489/ <---- can anybody give a look at that now? |
| 14:39.58 | N[i]X | damn cant get one thing right |
| 14:40.02 | SORMANOV | asg, ok |
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| 14:40.07 | abrotman | N[i]X: ask the people that wrote it |
| 14:40.09 | SORMANOV | i saw it was redundant |
| 14:40.09 | antgel | no, not even the channel |
| 14:40.25 | abrotman | N[i]X: or ask #ubuntu .. they should be able to help you |
| 14:40.25 | _DunK_ | xsdg: if I run xmodmap mymaps.map from a terminal, followed by xmodmap, the bindings work |
| 14:40.26 | eth01 | why is my machine asking me to enter run level? |
| 14:40.50 | N[i]X | abrotman: i am but they arent answering |
| 14:40.55 | _DunK_ | xsdg: the same line in my .xsession has no effect |
| 14:41.03 | antgel | should have used debian :D |
| 14:41.06 | abrotman | N[i]X: that's fine .. we don't support ubuntu here .. if you want help here .. use debian |
| 14:41.25 | xsdg | _DunK_: are you sure your .xsession is being run? how do you start X? (do you have a session manager, or do you do startx manually?) |
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| 14:41.56 | eth01 | why is my machine asking me to enter run level? |
| 14:42.05 | antgel | !tell eth01 about repeat |
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| 14:42.06 | abrotman | !tell eth01 about repeat |
| 14:42.11 | abrotman | cute |
| 14:42.15 | antgel | someone qotd that shit |
| 14:42.16 | Nuxis | how can I run the xorg config program? |
| 14:42.23 | Nuxis | like in arch it is xorgconfig... |
| 14:42.25 | abrotman | !drxx Nuxis |
| 14:42.25 | dpkg | Nuxis: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 14:42.26 | N[i]X | fine... goddammit i cant stand people like you, instead of helping another linux user you tell him to go to some other chan... fine, if you are not willing to help me im out of here... |
| 14:42.47 | Nuxis | abrotman: tnx |
| 14:42.50 | antgel | N[i]X: who rattled your cage? |
| 14:42.51 | _DunK_ | xsdg: I am using xdm. I have verified it is being run (removing the call to my wm causes the default manager to start) |
| 14:42.53 | abrotman | you're not freaking using debian |
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| 14:43.01 | h3sp4wn | N[i]X: If you cannot build a password cracker maybe its god saying you shouldn't use one |
| 14:43.18 | Nuxis | he is NOT using debian !? what he is doing here |
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| 14:43.37 | abrotman | !customer |
| 14:43.38 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 14:43.40 | Nuxis | smoohp is right |
| 14:43.51 | xsdg | _DunK_: hmm... maybe your window manager (or something else) messes with the keymap after your xmodmap? |
| 14:44.03 | antgel | i don't understand, why bitch like that? it's all me, me, me with some people |
| 14:44.15 | xsdg | antgel: no, me! |
| 14:44.32 | _DunK_ | xsdg: doesn't work on gnome, or ion |
| 14:44.33 | Nuxis | mhh abrotman what driver should I take for Ati Radeon Mobility 7500, ati...? |
| 14:44.40 | abrotman | radeon or ati |
| 14:44.43 | abrotman | i thik they're the same |
| 14:44.55 | xsdg | ati |
| 14:44.57 | Nuxis | ok |
| 14:45.00 | pingouin | any help/clue to have Acrobat Reader/acroread from adobe, under debian/etch amd64 ? |
| 14:45.06 | xsdg | I think they were merged, and then radeon ceases to exist in some version |
| 14:45.10 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: i thought hydra was an ircd |
| 14:45.16 | Nuxis | Identifier :s just ATI radeon Mobility 7500..? |
| 14:45.22 | xsdg | _DunK_: weird; I can't think of anything else at this point |
| 14:45.23 | Administ1ator | pingouin: I don't think there's a 64 bit version. |
| 14:45.42 | xsdg | _DunK_: good luck |
| 14:45.54 | _DunK_ | xsdg: damn. thanks for the help anyways :) |
| 14:46.34 | asg | pingouin: did you ask the #debian-amd64 folks |
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| 14:47.45 | pingouin | asg: yeah, less people than here, less activity, but i expect some clue in the day ;) |
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| 14:48.17 | Nuxis | for a laptop what /dev/ should I take for the mice I want to let run mice usb ofc and my mice integrated in the laptop, is that /dev/psaux? |
| 14:48.20 | hendrik123 | hello |
| 14:48.47 | \dev\shm|a | i have a problem, for some reason on my distro my ~/.bash_profile doesn't get executed. altho according to man page that's the first file that will get executed after /etc/profile |
| 14:48.58 | xingu | Nuxis: check /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 14:48.58 | abrotman | Nuxis: /dev/input/mice |
| 14:49.09 | Nuxis | abrotman: okay |
| 14:49.10 | abrotman | \dev\shm|a: it's not supposed to |
| 14:49.41 | \dev\shm|a | abrotman really? hrm... did i misread the manpage? was it just for login shells? |
| 14:49.47 | asg | \dev\shm|a: are you invoking it as a login shell? |
| 14:49.50 | abrotman | \dev\shm|a: says at the top |
| 14:49.56 | SapoChule | pingouin -> from what I remember it runs in the 32bit chroot, but I am not 100% sure, haven't used amd64 for a while |
| 14:50.03 | Nuxis | tnx x is running fine now :) |
| 14:50.47 | pingouin | SapoChule: i guess so... :/ thanks, have to check how to handle those 'chroot' 32bits stuff |
| 14:51.01 | \dev\shm|a | abrotman at top of? |
| 14:51.18 | abrotman | the file |
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| 14:51.35 | xsdg | \dev\shm|a: using the shared memory device on windows, I see... 8) |
| 14:51.39 | SapoChule | pingouin -> i used this page as reference when I did it: http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 14:52.17 | \dev\shm|a | xsdg lol, just picked the closes computer. |
| 14:52.37 | \dev\shm|a | abrotman i must have missed it because we where migrating setup and userprofiles were set to be used under mandriva before |
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| 14:52.40 | xsdg | \dev\shm|a: naah, I was making a joke about your nick :o) |
| 14:52.52 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: http://www.thc.org/thc-hydra/ (that was what he was trying to build I think though) |
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| 14:53.01 | \dev\shm|a | xsdg i figured :) |
| 14:53.01 | abrotman | hrm .. okay |
| 14:53.02 | snowbird | need some printer help |
| 14:53.04 | hendrik123 | can i let user A execute an bash script from user B, while he can't read the script?? |
| 14:53.06 | hendrik123 | chmod -rwx thescript |
| 14:53.07 | hendrik123 | chmod o+x thescript |
| 14:53.09 | hendrik123 | results in: /bin/bash: ./thescript: Permission denied |
| 14:53.28 | xand | hendrik123: no you cannot |
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| 14:53.37 | xand | scripts need to be readable |
| 14:53.38 | asg | hendrik123: you need to be able to read a script to execute it |
| 14:54.17 | pm2 | Does anyone here happen to use the gnarwl email autoresponder program? I'm trying to get it setup, and am having a little trouble with it... Basically, its not autoresponding, and I'm not seeing any useful info in the logs. |
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| 14:54.27 | snowbird | were is cups list of printers? |
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| 14:54.49 | xsdg | snowbird: http://localhost:631 |
| 14:54.59 | snowbird | then were? |
| 14:55.13 | xsdg | snowbird: guess |
| 14:55.26 | snowbird | i dont know ben there son't see list |
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| 14:55.37 | \dev\shm|a | abrotman i'm still not sure which file you are talking about. ~/.bash_profile? it is nonexisted for the user created during the install... When bash is invoked as an interactive login shell, or as a non-interactive shell with the --login option, it first reads and executes commands from the file /etc/profile, if that file exists. After reading that file, it looks for ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login, and ~/.profile, in tha |
| 14:55.43 | xsdg | snowbird: what tabs do you see? |
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| 14:55.57 | snowbird | add printer has none |
| 14:56.06 | snowbird | u have to know model i want list of all them |
| 14:56.07 | abrotman | \dev\shm|a: you got cutoff |
| 14:56.20 | abrotman | \dev\shm|a: is it reading any of your . files ? |
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| 14:56.35 | hendrik123 | what i want: |
| 14:56.37 | hendrik123 | give www-data (apache/php) no rights, only |
| 14:56.38 | hendrik123 | shell_exec('./thebashscript'); |
| 14:56.40 | hendrik123 | at thebashscript login as root and do some things |
| 14:56.40 | xsdg | snowbird: look at the top of the screen |
| 14:56.45 | pingouin | SapoChule: thanks, for the url |
| 14:56.46 | snowbird | right |
| 14:56.58 | xsdg | hendrik123: that's dangerous |
| 14:57.00 | snowbird | under add printer? |
| 14:57.01 | xsdg | hendrik123: use real authentication |
| 14:57.03 | xsdg | snowbird: no |
| 14:57.08 | snowbird | ok |
| 14:57.09 | xsdg | http://localhost:631/ |
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| 14:57.22 | \dev\shm|a | abrotman yes .bashrc gets read |
| 14:57.37 | zicho | How can i check how big a folder is in megabytes? From the terminal. |
| 14:57.37 | hendrik123 | xsdg: how do you mean? |
| 14:57.42 | snowbird | xsdg now were? |
| 14:57.47 | \dev\shm|a | zicho du -sh foldername |
| 14:57.48 | asg | zicho: du -hs |
| 14:57.57 | abrotman | \dev\shm|a: couldn't you just source your profile from .bashrc ? |
| 14:57.58 | xingu | woah |
| 14:58.11 | xingu | bash autocompletion has mappings for init scripts these days :) |
| 14:58.11 | hendrik123 | zicho: man du |
| 14:58.11 | xsdg | snowbird: what tabs do you see at the top of the screen? (there should be one selected, called "Home", and there should be others) |
| 14:58.22 | asg | xingu: nifty |
| 14:58.39 | xsdg | hendrik123: I should ask first; are you using apache? |
| 14:58.44 | \dev\shm|a | abrotman i could, but that means modifying .bashrc for all users... and i'd rather not... |
| 14:58.44 | snowbird | home admin class doc job printer |
| 14:58.53 | xsdg | snowbird: ok |
| 14:58.56 | zicho | ags: thx |
| 14:58.57 | hendrik123 | xsdg: yes apache, running under user www-data |
| 14:58.59 | xsdg | snowbird: you want a list of what, now? |
| 14:59.06 | snowbird | all printers |
| 14:59.16 | xsdg | snowbird: ok, so pick something reasonable |
| 14:59.27 | snowbird | were is the list |
| 14:59.28 | abrotman | \ |
| 14:59.36 | abrotman | \dev\shm|a: hrm ... does it work from a login shell ? |
| 14:59.39 | xsdg | snowbird: did you click on the obvious link? |
| 14:59.52 | \dev\shm|a | abrotman ideally i'd like to figure out why it's not executed, and fix that... i'm working from remote.... let me try starting bash with -l |
| 14:59.57 | snowbird | yeah if i lick serch it says none found |
| 15:00.06 | asg | !lick serch |
| 15:00.16 | xsdg | snowbird: then you have none configured |
| 15:00.25 | subx | what would i type to remove: Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) mod_python/3.2.10 Python/2.4.4 PHP/5.2.0-8+etch7 mod_ssl/2.2.3 OpenSSL/0.9.8c mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.8 |
| 15:00.30 | snowbird | odd |
| 15:00.38 | snowbird | my laser is hokked up |
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| 15:00.44 | abrotman | subx: you'd configure apache to not report that |
| 15:00.50 | xsdg | snowbird: did you add it? |
| 15:00.53 | snowbird | i want a list so i can go out and bye a new photo one |
| 15:00.56 | subx | id rather it not be there and install apache again |
| 15:01.00 | snowbird | yeah xsdg |
| 15:01.02 | hendrik123 | xsdg: yes apache, running under user www-data |
| 15:01.11 | snowbird | forget laser for know were is list? |
| 15:01.13 | abrotman | subx: you want to uninstall apache2 ? |
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| 15:01.22 | subx | all those modules i dont need too |
| 15:01.31 | abrotman | oh .. they're modules .. a2dismod |
| 15:01.33 | subx | then ill install exactly what i need after |
| 15:01.41 | subx | ok |
| 15:01.46 | subx | i forgot about that |
| 15:01.48 | xsdg | snowbird: wait... are you looking for a list of installed printers, or supported printers? |
| 15:01.53 | abrotman | subx: /etc/apache2/modules-enabled/ might be useful |
| 15:01.56 | xsdg | snowbird: also, "were" != "where" |
| 15:01.58 | subx | ok yes |
| 15:01.59 | snowbird | supported |
| 15:02.01 | subx | thanks |
| 15:02.15 | xsdg | hendrik123: well, apache has ways to specify that certain things require authentication before they can be accessed |
| 15:02.27 | \dev\shm|a | abrotman it's being executed if i start bash --login |
| 15:02.54 | abrotman | \dev\shm|a: when you say yu're logging in remotely .. via what method ? |
| 15:03.11 | xsdg | snowbird: ok; you should make that clearer when asking |
| 15:03.22 | snowbird | oh sorry |
| 15:03.37 | xsdg | snowbird: http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/Database/DatabaseIntro |
| 15:03.40 | xingu | I wish I'd had this sucker back in '97 |
| 15:03.51 | _DunK_ | xsdg: I have had a development. The .xsession file is balking at the xmodmap statements and resets the session when I try to log in. The commands definately work in a terminal. |
| 15:03.59 | snowbird | that list ok |
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| 15:05.11 | xsdg | _DunK_: weird; maybe do `xmodmap ... > ~/xmodmap.log || true`? |
| 15:05.47 | snowbird | xsdg have you tried turnbo printing? |
| 15:05.58 | hendrik123 | Here is the problem: |
| 15:05.59 | hendrik123 | i use apache/php (user: www-data) |
| 15:06.01 | hendrik123 | i want run some bash script (under root) with www-data |
| 15:06.03 | hendrik123 | 1) what is the best/safest way to do it? |
| 15:06.11 | _DunK_ | xsdg: i will try that |
| 15:06.26 | xsdg | snowbird: turnbo? never heard of it |
| 15:06.28 | \dev\shm|a | abrotman the setup it we have autofs mounting userprofiles... and authenticating them via YP. the complaint came from a user that his .bash_profile is not being executed. They login into gnome/kde through gdm. Right now i, loged in with ssh... and it turns out my .bash_profile wasn't getting executed either. then running bash --login executed everything correctly |
| 15:06.37 | snowbird | turbo printing |
| 15:06.50 | xsdg | hendrik123: you could use sudo |
| 15:06.51 | asg | hendrik123: sudo (and make sure the script is secure as you can make it) |
| 15:07.11 | xsdg | snowbird: haven't heard of that either; what do you mean? |
| 15:07.24 | snowbird | il get u link |
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| 15:08.28 | snowbird | http://www.turboprint.de/english.html |
| 15:08.34 | hendrik123 | xsdg,asg: when i use sudo i also need to add al the commands that the bashscript is using to sudoers? |
| 15:08.37 | snowbird | xsdg klink for you |
| 15:08.56 | asg | hendrik123: no, only the script name |
| 15:08.57 | xsdg | hendrik123: no |
| 15:09.00 | abrotman | \dev\shm|a: if he had read the top of his .bash_profile . he'd have known why |
| 15:09.02 | xsdg | snowbird: ok |
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| 15:09.13 | snowbird | that looks good |
| 15:09.20 | hendrik123 | asg,xsdg: oke, i will try no :) |
| 15:09.24 | snowbird | has any one tried cannon drivers fro etch? |
| 15:09.26 | hendrik123 | *now |
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| 15:10.32 | \dev\shm|a | abrotman the setup was migrated from mandriva '05... yes that bad.... so he couldn't have read it.... also the local user that was created during the setup.. doesn't have .bash_profile, so i'm missing the info.. could you paste it somewhere? |
| 15:10.57 | xsdg | snowbird: I don't like paying for software :o) |
| 15:11.06 | snowbird | oh |
| 15:11.12 | snowbird | there is free one |
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| 15:12.15 | \dev\shm|a | abrotman and it seems that someone should update the manpage.... or is that debian specific? |
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| 15:12.51 | abrotman | $ cat .bash_profile |
| 15:12.51 | abrotman | # ~/.bash_profile: executed by bash(1) for login shells. |
| 15:12.51 | abrotman | # see /usr/share/doc/bash/examples/startup-files for examples |
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| 15:13.26 | snowbird | xsdg there is cannon .deb driver too maybe good idea? |
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| 15:13.34 | \dev\shm|a | abrotman thanks. appreciate it. manpage should really mention it, no? |
| 15:13.40 | asg | \dev\shm|a: it's in the manpage |
| 15:13.44 | abrotman | \dev\shm|a: it's probably there |
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| 15:14.05 | \dev\shm|a | abrotman what i see is: When bash is invoked as an interactive login shell, or as a non-interactive shell with the --login option, it first reads and executes commands from the file /etc/profile, if that file exists. After reading that file, it looks for ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login, and ~/.profile, in that order, and reads and executes commands from the first one that exists and is readable. |
| 15:14.12 | mhall | What do I need to do to blacklist modules I do not want to load? |
| 15:14.12 | xsdg | snowbird: don't know; I haven't used Canon printers (from Linux) before |
| 15:14.21 | abrotman | !tell mhall about blacklist |
| 15:14.23 | asg | mhall: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 15:14.30 | hendrik123 | asg,xsdg: YOU R GREAT, THANKS!! :D i can no make bash scripts that a user can't read, only execute! |
| 15:14.43 | \dev\shm|a | abrotman whoops i'm stupid. thanks. you are right. it says a fwe paragraphs later. my bad |
| 15:14.49 | asg | hendrik123: you're welcome |
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| 15:15.14 | abrotman | \dev\shm|a: it's a long man page :) |
| 15:15.21 | snowbird | what use xsdg brother or hp? |
| 15:15.24 | xsdg | snowbird: unfortunately, I need to take off now. good luck |
| 15:15.31 | \dev\shm|a | abrotman yeah, i get annoed by it a lot when shellscripting :) |
| 15:15.32 | asg | hendrik123: if they don't need to execute as root, you should make a dummy user and make the script rx to that user then use the sudo trick. |
| 15:15.33 | snowbird | xsdg il be sround thanks |
| 15:15.52 | mhall | asg: abrotman thanks guys |
| 15:16.51 | stoned | - |
| 15:16.56 | mhall | stoned: hey man |
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| 15:16.59 | stoned | hey |
| 15:17.05 | hendrik123 | asg: no i need root, why? is this not save? |
| 15:17.08 | stoned | hangover |
| 15:17.19 | \dev\shm|a | I have users authenticated via YP, and i want all of them have access to sound, the debian way is to add all of the into audio group... is there any other way? i'd have to add whole bunch of them into that group..... and i was wondering if there is a different, perhaps easier, solution? |
| 15:17.23 | stoned | I'm gonna get a gba flash rom |
| 15:17.39 | stoned | i got a gba sp, and with the flash thing i can turn it into a multimedia player |
| 15:17.52 | stoned | mp3, video, ebooks, games, emulators, a small os |
| 15:18.02 | stoned | this gameboy kicks ass |
| 15:18.26 | asg | hendrik123: just precautionary. Any vulnerability in your script could yield a root exploit. If it were running as a dummy user, it would be much safer. However, since you need to do something as root, there isn't much you can do other than make sure the script is secure. |
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| 15:19.09 | subx | im confused, my box at home has the exact same modules loaded, and the exact sites-enabled configuration settings as my server but 'RedirectPermanent' doesnt work on my server... |
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| 15:19.35 | logd | hi, i've a problem: i can see send to fax in kde apps but not in openoffice what's wrong ? |
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| 15:19.47 | stoned | i can watch dvds on a gameboy |
| 15:19.58 | stoned | question is, should I get the more expensive 2gb flash or 1gb |
| 15:20.10 | stoned | i'll think about it |
| 15:20.15 | stoned | mhall: whats going on with you buddy? |
| 15:20.21 | asg | I'd buy some beer to help with your hangover |
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| 15:20.28 | stoned | hehe |
| 15:20.35 | stoned | I have an ipod |
| 15:20.44 | stoned | I just want to turn my gameboy into a multimedia player |
| 15:20.52 | stoned | just for the heck of it |
| 15:21.02 | stoned | and I hear you can actually run nonsigned code on it |
| 15:21.06 | stoned | like linux |
| 15:21.16 | \dev\shm|a | stoned ipbod != beer :) |
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| 15:21.28 | stoned | really? |
| 15:21.31 | stoned | I had no idea |
| 15:21.32 | stoned | :) |
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| 15:21.36 | h3sp4wn | stoned: Are you sure a 20mhz arm7 is fast enough to run a dvd ? |
| 15:21.55 | stoned | h3sp4wn: I've seen it, not online, but in person |
| 15:22.00 | stoned | a buddy of mine has it |
| 15:22.03 | stoned | its sweet |
| 15:22.17 | stoned | and its not a real dvd ind you |
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| 15:22.34 | stoned | you have to transcode it to some wierd format |
| 15:22.43 | stoned | but yeh, point being, you can watch movies on it |
| 15:22.50 | logd | hi, i've a problem: i can see send to fax in kde apps but not in openoffice what's wrong ? |
| 15:23.14 | stoned | i need coffee |
| 15:23.18 | h3sp4wn | stoned: ah right yes |
| 15:23.21 | hendrik123 | asg: |
| 15:23.22 | hendrik123 | chmod -rwx thebashscript |
| 15:23.24 | hendrik123 | chmod u+rwx thebashscript |
| 15:23.25 | hendrik123 | visudo: |
| 15:23.27 | hendrik123 | www-data ALL=NOPASSWD: /home/user/thebashscript |
| 15:23.28 | hendrik123 | www-data can only execute it with: |
| 15:23.30 | hendrik123 | sudo ./thebashscript |
| 15:23.49 | asg | hendrik123: in that case, I think sudo /home/user/thebashscript is required |
| 15:23.56 | xingu | \dev\shm|a: /etc/security/group.conf |
| 15:24.34 | hendrik123 | asg: yeh ok, the way i do it save enough ? |
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| 15:25.10 | hendrik123 | asg: user www-data can't read only execute, perfect! |
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| 15:25.40 | asg | hendrik123: it depends on what the script does. Does it take any commandline arguments? Does it run a program such as an editor or less (anything that can drop to a shell)? |
| 15:25.43 | abrotman | !tell root__ about root |
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| 15:26.23 | hendrik123 | asg: no it don't take any input |
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| 15:28.06 | asg | hendrik123: and it isn't running an editor or pager or anything? If not, then it should be reasonably secure. |
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| 15:28.30 | mhall | Does anybody have some tips on what I can do to get a Debian kernel package to recognize more RAM? It's still not getting the full 4GB in amd64 mode. I think maybe I need some highmem configuration or possibly BIOS tweaks. Any ideas? |
| 15:29.01 | asg | mhall: you might need the bigmem kernel package |
| 15:29.10 | hendrik123 | asg: it making some dirs and checking some things |
| 15:29.11 | hendrik123 | why is it unsecure when it takes argements? |
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| 15:30.05 | _DunK_ | xsdg: Thanks mate. hadn't thought of logging it before. Found the line with the error and effected an work-around. This has been a problem for a while so that was a life saver!! |
| 15:30.07 | asg | hendrik123: unless the input is validated, similar attacks to SQL injection and such are possible. |
| 15:30.25 | abrotman | mhall: it should .. which kernel is actually installed ? |
| 15:30.40 | mhall | abrotman: linux-image-2.6.20-1-amd64 |
| 15:30.46 | hendrik123 | asg: you mean the input of the PHP file? |
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| 15:30.48 | hendrik123 | can you make SQL injection trough bash scripts? huh |
| 15:30.59 | abrotman | mhall: how much does it see ? |
| 15:31.11 | mhall | abrotman: I wanted to use newer but the newer kernels contain a regression which disables one of my SATA controllers. That in turn torpedoes my MD RAID5. |
| 15:31.13 | h3sp4wn | hendrik123: Does it specify that PATH at the start of the script ? |
| 15:31.17 | asg | hendrik123: the input to the script, in this case. |
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| 15:33.06 | mhall | abrotman: It sees... 2882004k according to top. |
| 15:33.18 | mhall | abrotman: Where can I get a more accurate value? Somewhere in sys or proc? |
| 15:33.31 | abrotman | /proc/meminfo |
| 15:33.37 | mhall | abrotman: meminfo says MemTotal: 2882004 kB |
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| 15:33.49 | abrotman | mhall: and the bios says ? |
| 15:33.51 | jelly-home | mhall: how do you figure you're running in amd64 mode? |
| 15:33.51 | mhall | asg: is it a separate linux-image package or what? |
| 15:34.02 | mhall | jelly-home: I installed the amd64 distro. |
| 15:34.12 | asg | mhall: there are bigmem packages for i686 on etch at least. I don't know about amd64 though. |
| 15:34.21 | mhall | Linux themhallbox 2.6.20-1-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Apr 24 21:10:58 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 15:34.28 | mhall | jelly-home: witness my uname ^^ |
| 15:34.32 | hendrik123 | h3sp4wan: yes |
| 15:34.33 | hendrik123 | asg: when i only use the argments as options [check/start/stop], thats secure? |
| 15:34.39 | jelly-home | mhall: x86_64, ok |
| 15:35.08 | mhall | jelly-home: i switched over to it just a couple days ago after i found out i could get ooo and nspluginwrapper working |
| 15:35.16 | mhall | jelly-home: only to find my damn ram problem is still here |
| 15:35.16 | abrotman | he shouldn't need any other kernel |
| 15:35.17 | \dev\shm|a | xingu sadly we are not using PAM, and i would like all users have access to sound without them being a member of audio group.. or maybe i'm just misreading the file |
| 15:35.20 | abrotman | mhall: the bios sees it ? |
| 15:35.30 | mhall | abrotman: i'll have a quick reboot and double check |
| 15:35.40 | asg | hendrik123: that should be fine. All I'm saying is that when you allow any user to run something as root, it opens up the option for a potential vulnerability. However, if the user cannot get information into the script, they likely cannot exploit it. |
| 15:35.42 | mhall | abrotman: i just wanted to make sure i wasn't doing something moronic in the OS first |
| 15:36.04 | mhall | abrotman: brb |
| 15:36.08 | abrotman | mhall: IIRC .. the only option on amd64 is for 64GB .. 4GB support is built in |
| 15:36.53 | jelly-home | abrotman: it ought to "just work" AIUI |
| 15:36.57 | abrotman | right |
| 15:37.00 | abrotman | which is why i asked about the bios |
| 15:37.49 | hendrik123 | asg: you mean something like this? |
| 15:37.50 | hendrik123 | #!/bin/bash |
| 15:37.52 | hendrik123 | mkdir /home/user/$1 |
| 15:37.53 | hendrik123 | is unsecure? :) |
| 15:38.01 | Nuxis | guys, I have a problem I use ion and I LOVE it but I can't see my batery state ... it was located in /proc/ but where exactly someone know? |
| 15:38.13 | abrotman | /proc/acpi/battery or osmething like that |
| 15:38.48 | Nuxis | ok |
| 15:38.49 | asg | hendrik123: it would be if $1 was 'foo;rm -rf /' |
| 15:38.54 | Nuxis | the nwrite a program : |
| 15:38.55 | Nuxis | :) |
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| 15:41.55 | hendrik123 | asg: |
| 15:41.56 | hendrik123 | so i make it secure to do something like this: |
| 15:41.58 | hendrik123 | (pseudo code) |
| 15:41.59 | hendrik123 | if !eregi(';', $1) |
| 15:42.01 | hendrik123 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:42.44 | \dev\shm|a | hendrik123 erm... not what boatu cmd && cmd2 |
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| 15:43.23 | b1 | hi all |
| 15:43.24 | hendrik123 | oke, how can i make it secure then? :p |
| 15:43.54 | hendrik123 | only accept [a-z0-9] :) |
| 15:44.37 | b1 | this is my error on boot sid live i386 http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=debianlivebootes1.jpg |
| 15:45.05 | b1 | can anyone help me? |
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| 15:45.46 | asg | hendrik123: the best way is to not accept any arguments at all |
| 15:45.46 | h3sp4wn | b1: maybe with more information |
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| 15:46.03 | martin_ | öö, how i can i remount my usb hardware using hald? i made a mistkae and now my mouse is whut down |
| 15:46.10 | martin_ | *shut |
| 15:46.12 | asg | xingu: be sure not to open new windows ;) |
| 15:47.03 | hendrik123 | , appreciei .. |
| 15:47.23 | asg | xingu: bah, nevermind, I was thinking of xpenguins |
| 15:47.36 | martin_ | can somebody help me? |
| 15:47.40 | b1 | h3sp4wn: Fujitsu amilo xi1526, core 2 duo t5500, nvidia 7600,sata hd, intel hda |
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| 15:48.00 | martin_ | my mouse wont show up when i typ "lsusb" either, how can i remount it? |
| 15:48.21 | h3sp4wn | b1: and why are you trying to use the livecd ? to rescue an installed system or ? |
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| 15:50.35 | b1 | h3sp4wn: to try debian and install if like me |
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| 15:51.04 | b1 | (very bad my english) lol |
| 15:51.36 | yoshio | martin_: have you tried sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart |
| 15:52.21 | h3sp4wn | b1: Did you try #debian-es |
| 15:52.45 | h3sp4wn | b1: or the channel that speaks your language |
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| 15:53.32 | asg | h3sp4wn: #debian-lol doesn't exist :/ |
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| 15:55.44 | abrotman | !it |
| 15:55.44 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
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| 15:56.02 | mindpixel | hi guys, what are the steps i should take to get a vesa framebuffer running on a console in debian unstable ? |
| 15:56.09 | martin_ | yoshio: i dont have /etc/init.d/hal, just /etc/init.d/halt |
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| 15:56.49 | yoshio | martin_: does /usr/bin/lshal show your mouse? |
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| 15:57.24 | h3sp4wn | b1: Are these the ones you are using - http://live.debian.net/cdimage/sid-builds/current/i386/ |
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| 16:00.13 | b1 | h3sp4wn: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/daily-builds/20070729/i386/debian-live-sid-i386-kde-desktop.iso |
| 16:01.23 | h3sp4wn | b1: try - #debian-live on irc.debian.org |
| 16:02.09 | b1 | h3sp4wn: ok tnx |
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| 16:09.55 | rata | hi |
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| 16:11.23 | Nuxis | hi rata |
| 16:11.36 | burningfire | Hi. The Debian net-inst ISO doesn't recognize any of my Ethernet devices. What is the best way to get a network interface up and running the quickest. My computer sports an Intel 3945 and a Broadcom 5906. |
| 16:11.57 | Nuxis | burningfire: you sure you cable is pluged in etc... |
| 16:12.06 | burningfire | Yes. |
| 16:12.08 | Nuxis | and I had also some therenet probs try to run in a few times |
| 16:12.17 | Nuxis | ow it doesn't reconize :s |
| 16:12.29 | Jean11 | does nvidia driver conflicts with vesa ? |
| 16:12.35 | Nuxis | Jean11: yes |
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| 16:12.41 | burningfire | Nuxis: The tigon3 driver doesn't work with the Broadcom for some reason. |
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| 16:13.00 | Nuxis | burningfire: weird waird, I never had that prob so I can't help you I think :( |
| 16:13.05 | mbuf | burningfire, isn't it the tg3 driver? |
| 16:13.19 | rata | I have upgrade from 2.6.18-5-686 to linux-image-2.6.21-2-686, but it does not boot. It says 'waiting for root filesystem' and there it hangs. I have ide/pata disk and it detects it as sata, i think there could be the problem. I tried to re-creat the initrd image adding ide_core and ide_disk and adding those to /etc/modules but id does not help. Anyone go through this or have an idea ? |
| 16:13.21 | ubunturos | gcc-4.0 cannot find vga.h for unknown reasons even though libvga.so.1 is available under its search directories |
| 16:13.23 | burningfire | mbuf: tg3 = tigon3. that's what I meant. |
| 16:13.43 | Jean11 | Nuxis: Is there a way to get a Geforce 7300 GS working with an ATI ES1000 (onboard) |
| 16:13.48 | phogg | burningfire: possible your PCI ID is simple not specifically listed. Update the supported IDs list, recompile and see if it works |
| 16:14.08 | Nuxis | Jean11: try to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 16:14.09 | burningfire | phogg: recompile net-inst iso?? |
| 16:14.18 | phogg | burningfire: recompile the driver module |
| 16:14.22 | Nuxis | Jean11: then you need to define as driver ati and identifier you card |
| 16:14.33 | phogg | burningfire: I guess if you don't have a running system that would be hard... |
| 16:14.43 | Jean11 | but ati is radeon no |
| 16:14.52 | Nuxis | Jean11: also ATI cards |
| 16:14.58 | burningfire | phogg: yeah, doesn't help |
| 16:15.00 | Nuxis | I think O_o |
| 16:15.04 | Jean11 | and can't I just edit xorg.conf |
| 16:15.12 | mbuf | mkinitrd.yaird -o /boot/2.6.22.1 2.6.22.1 creates a 1.1 initrd image, which hangs on boot with "waiting for root filesystem"; the original 2.6.18 image initrd is 4.4 MB and it boots fine |
| 16:15.21 | mbuf | what am i missing? |
| 16:15.47 | Nuxis | Jean11: ofc you can but I like the dpkg-reconfigure :), if you do something wrong in you xorg.config then you need to search to find a fault |
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| 16:16.48 | burningfire | no offense to any ubuntu haters, but specifically i think the tg3 patch is discussed here, but i guess net-inst hasn't applied the same patch https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/121030 |
| 16:18.34 | Jean11 | Nuxis: I get a message in/var/log/Xorg.0.log RADEON(2) Cannot read V-Bios (3) aand Cannot find empty range to map base to. Do you have an idea why |
| 16:18.51 | Nuxis | Jean11: nope :s did you ran dpkg? |
| 16:19.22 | Jean11 | Nuxis: I just edit xorg.conf. |
| 16:19.39 | Nuxis | Jean11: can you paste it? |
| 16:19.56 | Jean11 | Nuxis: sure hold on |
| 16:20.02 | Nuxis | Jean11: ok |
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| 16:21.37 | burningfire | I believe I have found my problem: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#head-d2b370740516f1e113719a733d9ecb324f61ff4f |
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| 16:21.58 | Jean11 | Nuxis: It is at www.pastebin.org/121 |
| 16:22.14 | Nuxis | ok I take a look |
| 16:22.52 | burningfire | OTOH, no, that is not the problem because the patch described in the aforementioned link was an upstream patch. |
| 16:23.19 | Nuxis | Jean11: it looks ok |
| 16:23.44 | Jean11 | Nuxis: i have no idea why it is outputing the errors |
| 16:23.52 | Nuxis | Jean11: it is indeed weird |
| 16:24.29 | Nuxis | Jean11: you have now x or not? |
| 16:24.37 | Jean11 | The only thing I can think off is the nvidia driver does not allow the onboard ati card to work., |
| 16:24.44 | Jean11 | yes with two screens |
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| 16:24.56 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 16:25.11 | Ace2016 | i need to reinstall a deb, and have it extract all the files again |
| 16:25.18 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 16:25.18 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 16:25.27 | Nuxis | Jean11: yea it can be possible that he doesn't allow it but... |
| 16:25.49 | Nuxis | Jean11: maybe you can try that dpkg ... |
| 16:25.56 | Jean11 | Nuxis: I also tried to X1650Pro did not work and two nvidia 7300GS but system crashes after a while |
| 16:26.14 | Ace2016 | some files of the package got deleted and i want them back |
| 16:26.26 | asg | !tell Ace2016 about confmiss |
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| 16:27.10 | Nuxis | Jean11: so you wan't the nvidia driver for the onboar ati? |
| 16:27.37 | Jean11 | no no, the nvidia is for the 7300GS the ati ius for ES 1000 |
| 16:27.38 | Ace2016 | oh ok |
| 16:27.39 | h3sp4wn | Ace2016: You might need --force-confnew (cannot hurt) |
| 16:28.43 | Nuxis | Jean11: mhh maybe you can check somewhere else because I have no idea of it :s |
| 16:29.03 | Jean11 | Thanks |
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| 16:32.19 | Ace2016 | nope didn't work, i had to go into /var/cache/apt find the package, extract it, then extract data and just copy the lot to root |
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| 16:32.54 | abrotman | then you did it wrong |
| 16:34.03 | mavior | hello,i am pretty new to debian, and yesterday i had my first successfully etch desktop installation(stable), but a small problem now: the network manager shows its offline icon, even though i'm online and i can navigate.I set up a static ip address and gateway during the installation to my working eth interface, any suggestion? thank you |
| 16:34.52 | abrotman | mavior: right click on it .. go to properties .. make sure it's monitoring the correct interface |
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| 16:36.09 | h3sp4wn | Ace2016: are the files just modified or deleted you want put back ? |
| 16:37.07 | h3sp4wn | Ace2016: apt-get install --yes --reinstall -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confmiss -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confnew foo (try both anyway I know this always works) |
| 16:37.34 | mavior | abrotman: right-clicking on it give me only this entries: enable networking(enabled) - connection information(i can't click on it) - about |
| 16:37.55 | abrotman | mavior: the applet in the taskbar ? |
| 16:38.14 | mavior | abrotman: yes in the right up corner |
| 16:38.16 | hark | that's nm-applet |
| 16:38.31 | abrotman | oh .. that's not the one i'm using i don't think |
| 16:38.43 | bier__ | is there a way to prevent "recode" from recoding binary files when running recursively (using find)? |
| 16:38.46 | hark | yeah, not gnome's network admin thingy |
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| 16:39.12 | hark | mavior: read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian |
| 16:39.46 | mavior | hark: ok i'll do now |
| 16:39.50 | Ace2016 | h3sp4wn: they just got deleted, by the nvidia installer and lots of messing with stuff by myself |
| 16:39.58 | abrotman | i guessi 'm using the gnome-netstatus-applet |
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| 16:41.29 | Ace2016 | h3sp4wn: how do i run that command for everything on the system? would that break anything? |
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| 16:42.56 | hark | you want to reinstall everything with confnew?? |
| 16:44.14 | Ace2016 | yea don't know what other files were effected by my rampage as root |
| 16:44.15 | asg | simpler to just re-install |
| 16:44.54 | Ace2016 | half the system is custom compiled stuff, in /opt symlinked into /usr/bin to run |
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| 16:45.14 | asg | Ace2016: then backup /opt, reinstall, restore /opt and re-link |
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| 16:46.40 | Ace2016 | yea ok i'll reinstall, been meaning to jump to debian sid for a while, does it have compiz fusion? |
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| 16:47.16 | Ace2016 | and the latest nvidia driver 100. |
| 16:47.19 | Ace2016 | and the latest nvidia driver 100.14.11 |
| 16:47.25 | hark | just compiz afaik |
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| 16:47.38 | hark | !info compiz |
| 16:47.41 | dpkg | compiz: (OpenGL window and compositing manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.5.0.dfsg-2 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 56 kB |
| 16:47.46 | hark | !info nvidia-glx |
| 16:47.47 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary Xorg driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 100.14.11-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4143 kB, Installed size: 13180 kB |
| 16:48.14 | LinuxBlues | !info beryl |
| 16:48.20 | hark | at least you got the latest nvidia drivers :) |
| 16:48.23 | mavior | after reading/usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian regarding the network-manager: so if I set a static IP the nm-applet will not monitor my eth0 interface, I guess ? |
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| 16:50.53 | Ace2016 | yea i wrote a guide for feisty on compiling compiz, just wondering if i could just install from a repo |
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| 16:52.02 | abrotman | beryl isn't in debian |
| 16:52.04 | abrotman | compiz is |
| 16:52.20 | mavior | anyone could confirm that nm-applet monitor only NON-static eth connection ??? |
| 16:52.24 | hark | mavior: that's planned for version 0.7, there may be a hack or something for it but i don't know |
| 16:52.25 | Ace2016 | oh i like beryl |
| 16:52.54 | hark | mavior: the README is pretty clear, no? |
| 16:53.21 | mavior | hark: ok , and is there some valid alternatives to nm-applet? |
| 16:54.17 | abrotman | last i heard .. beryl and compiz were merging again |
| 16:55.10 | Ace2016 | they are |
| 16:55.19 | Ace2016 | into compiz-fusion |
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| 16:58.08 | mavior | just another question to get start with debian: i want to install nvidia drivers, and i've read that there's something like to way to install them, a debian way and nvidia installer way.what is the better beetween from your experience? |
| 16:58.44 | joshi | who is free here ? |
| 16:58.56 | antgel | gamecube games cost almost nothing second-hand now, mugs, bwahahaha |
| 16:59.13 | joshi | i want to know . that how can i connect my data cable to use the mobile ngprs |
| 16:59.28 | joshi | *gprs |
| 16:59.33 | antgel | joshi: and what is the problem you are having doing that? |
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| 17:00.35 | zicho | Debian cant fins my external USB music player, it usuallt pops up as /dev/sda1 but when i plug it in now, nothing happens |
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| 17:01.00 | antgel | zicho: nothing in the logs? |
| 17:01.02 | joshi | the blue tooth device shows that it can able only for 5 mb data transfering , not more then this , iwant to ask u , is this possible fora bluetooth device to work for only suchlimititaion |
| 17:01.44 | joshi | is this possible |
| 17:02.13 | antgel | joshi: you mean it stops working after 5MB? or you mean bandwidth? |
| 17:02.22 | joshi | i want to say that this should be just limited by netwrok connection , not by bluetooth manufacturing |
| 17:02.26 | ion_bidon | hello, I'm trying to make powernowd work but I don't have /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq , the "cpufreq" part; any idea how can I make it available ? maybe loading a module or something ? |
| 17:02.33 | peterS | zicho: read /proc/scsi/scsi, see if your usb drive shows up there, for starters |
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| 17:02.52 | joshi | , in practical i used to dc after completing nearly 5 mb |
| 17:03.07 | antgel | ion_bidon: yep, you need the cpu frequency scaling module for your cpu |
| 17:03.42 | joshi | it stop after 5 mb used |
| 17:03.49 | ion_bidon | antgel: ok thanks, I'll search for its name |
| 17:03.57 | zicho | peterS: that file is empty |
| 17:04.25 | peterS | zicho: ok so check 'lsmod | grep usb_storage' to see if the usb_storage module is loaded |
| 17:04.42 | peterS | zicho: also check to see if the ehci_hcd module is loaded |
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| 17:05.17 | zicho | how can i check which modules are loaded? |
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| 17:05.55 | peterS | zicho: I just told you how |
| 17:06.32 | zicho | in that case, it is not loaded |
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| 17:06.48 | joshi | so there is no solutin |
| 17:07.04 | zicho | ? |
| 17:07.09 | antgel | is it not usb-storage? |
| 17:07.36 | peterS | zicho: ok, so run 'modprobe usb_storage' |
| 17:07.38 | ion_bidon | antgel: any idea if intel core 2 duo has a cpu frequency scaling module ? |
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| 17:09.03 | Gg1 | Hi , to have ddclient started automatically , is the only thing to do is to set "run_daemon=true" in /etc/init.d/ddclient file ? |
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| 17:09.17 | zicho | peterS: i did, nothing happened. It just jumped to a blank line. |
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| 17:09.33 | peterS | zicho: now check /proc/scsi/scsi again |
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| 17:10.03 | zicho | empty |
| 17:10.21 | antgel | ion_bidon: none |
| 17:10.31 | antgel | idea, that is :) |
| 17:10.34 | ion_bidon | antgel: ok :) |
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| 17:11.15 | yos87 | Hi |
| 17:11.19 | antgel | ion_bidon: but i suspect searching the world-wide web may provide you with a clue |
| 17:11.23 | spity|r | hi |
| 17:11.28 | yos87 | what is the best program to format my usb hdd ? |
| 17:11.31 | spity|r | i'm looking for somebody from berlin, thx |
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| 17:11.50 | ion_bidon | antgel: yes, that's what I'm on |
| 17:11.57 | peterS | zicho: so do the same with the ehci_hcd module. check to see if it's loaded, if not, load it |
| 17:12.02 | antgel | a couple of cracking questions there, people |
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| 17:12.43 | zicho | peterS: it is loaded |
| 17:13.22 | peterS | zicho: check also uhci_hcd and ohci_hcd - is either one of those loaded? |
| 17:13.36 | jetscreamer | !b-e |
| 17:13.36 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential |
| 17:13.41 | peterS | yos87: same way you format any other hard drive. if you mean low-level format, I don't think you can do that. if you just mean making it ready to use with linux, you use cfdisk or parted to edit the partition table, then some form of mkfs to create a filesystem |
| 17:14.22 | zicho | peterS: they are both loaded |
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| 17:16.08 | peterS | !b-e is also see <qotd49>. |
| 17:16.08 | dpkg | is also see <qotd49>.: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 17:16.09 | zicho | isnt there anyway to make hald check for new hardware? |
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| 17:16.15 | peterS | meh |
| 17:16.34 | zicho | meh? |
| 17:16.36 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:16.36 | peterS | !b-e =~ s/tial/tial. See also <qotd49>./ |
| 17:16.36 | dpkg | OK, peterS |
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| 17:16.52 | peterS | zicho: I mehed at dpkg, not at you |
| 17:17.22 | zicho | ah |
| 17:17.35 | jetscreamer | mehehehe .... meheheheh... |
| 17:18.14 | peterS | zicho: well, you shouldn't need both uhci_hcd and ohci_hcd, you only need one of those, depending on your motherboard. but anyway. to sum it up, you have uhci_hcd, ohci_hcd, ehci_hcd, and usb_storage all loaded, yet /proc/scsi/scsi is still empty? |
| 17:18.31 | peterS | zicho: note, use 'cat' to determine if it's empty, as 'ls -l' will always show it as size 0 no matter what |
| 17:19.20 | zicho | peterS: when i do: "cat scsi" it just says "attached devices:" and no more |
| 17:19.48 | peterS | zicho: ok then run 'dmesg' to see if the kernel log shows any recent errors related to this hardware. Also, try unplugging / plugging your camera back in. |
| 17:19.56 | bier__ | is there a way to prevent "recode" from recoding binary files when running recursively (using find)? |
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| 17:20.50 | peterS | bier__: that would depend on being able to detect a "binary file". I don't think recode can do that, and I know find cannot. so first you need to figure out how to detect that a file is "binary", then work that into the find pipeline somewhere. |
| 17:21.30 | peterS | bier__: a first approximation might be to pass filename patterns into find, to make it skip certain files like *.pdf or whatever. |
| 17:21.39 | bier__ | i have been searching for something like that, but i can't find something that is able to detect that |
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| 17:22.32 | bier__ | peterS: there are about 30,000 files with 472 different "endings", so it's not that easy... |
| 17:22.33 | zicho | PeterS: I remember that i had this problem another time, unfortunately i dont remember how i solved it and the log is gone |
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| 17:22.46 | peterS | zicho: doh. I don't think I can help you further, anyway - I'm out of ideas |
| 17:23.05 | peterS | bier__: yeah. well, it also depends on how you define "binary file". that may seem obvious but it isn't. |
| 17:23.24 | zicho | hmm |
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| 17:23.56 | bier__ | phew |
| 17:23.59 | kuitang | How much performance gain will I see from using 64bit distro for desktop, server, and multimedia work? |
| 17:24.12 | xingu | peterS, bier__: the prior art in this area is called "libmagic" |
| 17:24.16 | peterS | ok folks: why would a USB hard drive enclosure be listed as supporting drives from 5 GB to 40 GB? would this limitation be real, or is it BS? (this is for a laptop form factor disk, perhaps those were not larger than 40 GB at the time the enclosure was designed?) |
| 17:24.41 | peterS | xingu: can libmagic give a yes/no answer to the vague question "is this a text file"? |
| 17:24.46 | alexfranci | i have troubles with eterm. i have installed it but it can't find it. why? |
| 17:25.47 | xingu | peterS: no; but it can give a pretty good answer to the more precise question "is this one of several bazillion recognised formats"; using the subset of those formats known to be recodable is a suitable proxy for the question. |
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| 17:26.20 | peterS | xingu: well, if someone has defined that subset, great. if not.... |
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| 17:26.25 | xingu | peterS: ie, it'll let you address the blacklist "is this definitively format foo and therefore a known waste of my time" |
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| 17:26.49 | xingu | peterS: which /is/ worthwhile vs the current bruteforce all of everything until recode chokes. |
| 17:26.58 | peterS | xingu: in MIME speak, I suspect we're dealing with "is this Content-Type: text/* ?" |
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| 17:27.20 | bier__ | doesn't "file" do the same? |
| 17:27.23 | peterS | xingu: anything outside the text/* namespace is probably not wise to recode. that may be an approximation of the truth, but I bet it's close. |
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| 17:27.31 | tralala | bier__, file does use libmagic |
| 17:27.41 | peterS | bier__: yeah, we're basically talking about 'file' here |
| 17:27.41 | xingu | bier__: have a look at the description of the file package and reread what I wrote. :) |
| 17:28.10 | bier__ | but what if i have files like... don't know... "this is not a text file.JPG" |
| 17:28.17 | tralala | I suppose text/* is a good bet for text files |
| 17:28.18 | bier__ | you know? |
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| 17:28.40 | peterS | bier__: the point of 'file' and 'libmagic' is that they don't rely on filenames at all, they look only at file contents |
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| 17:29.00 | asa | Hi |
| 17:29.07 | peterS | unlike how Microsoft Windows Explorer does things, where the "extension" (last part of the filename) tells Explorer what to do |
| 17:29.18 | asa | can anybody help with one question? |
| 17:29.23 | peterS | asa: not until you ask it (: |
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| 17:29.47 | abrotman | peterS: don't you have to leave the channel now ? |
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| 17:29.52 | abrotman | :) |
| 17:30.08 | asa | peterS, i have a MB with ICH9r... can i install debian etch on it? or lenny? |
| 17:30.10 | peterS | abrotman: errrr? |
| 17:30.12 | bier__ | i'll try it with file |
| 17:30.19 | bier__ | thx guys |
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| 17:30.33 | abrotman | peterS: because you're not a true slacker anymore ;) |
| 17:30.33 | tralala | asa, do you have fast internet connection? |
| 17:30.47 | asa | tralala, |
| 17:30.49 | abrotman | i don't think etch works on ich9 |
| 17:30.51 | peterS | abrotman: is this related to finally being peters@debian.org? |
| 17:30.52 | xingu | bier__: in your sense I'd only use file to fast-path (the "don't recode this" test) |
| 17:31.00 | asa | yes about several M |
| 17:31.06 | abrotman | peterS: yes |
| 17:31.21 | abrotman | !beer peterS |
| 17:31.21 | peterS | abrotman: I'll think about packing up and leaving, then. I only found out 2 hours ago |
| 17:31.27 | peterS | and thanks for the Guinness |
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| 17:31.31 | asa | can you advice me something? |
| 17:31.33 | tralala | asa, then the best way of knowing is to try them both and stick with the one that works (preferably etch) |
| 17:31.40 | bier__ | xingu: but it seems to be the only way for me.. |
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| 17:31.47 | xingu | bier__: as peterS is saying, there's many formats which are insufficiently (strongly) typed; so just use file to exclude known binary formats rather than /inclusively/ to include known text formats. |
| 17:31.57 | yos872 | Hi, what is the best package for fomatting the hdd? |
| 17:31.58 | peterS | asa: hmmmm. the usual motherboard problem is the disk controller. but recent Intel now use the AHCI standard for their SATA interfaces, so if your disk is SATA, I'm guessing it is supported |
| 17:32.03 | asa | Ok, so, today ill download lenny |
| 17:32.11 | yos872 | peterS: how are you? |
| 17:32.20 | peterS | yos872: I'm just as good as I was when I answered the question you just re-asked |
| 17:32.24 | xingu | bier__: if you follow; it's a subtle semantic difference. |
| 17:32.24 | asa | peterS, sound nice :) |
| 17:32.28 | bier__ | xingu: yes, okay... understood it a bit different ;) |
| 17:32.36 | jetscreamer | peterS: that sounds like congratulations are in order or something |
| 17:32.37 | peterS | asa: that is just a guess on my part. I don't have an ICH9. |
| 17:32.41 | peterS | jetscreamer: thanks dude |
| 17:32.46 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
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| 17:32.59 | tralala | asa, I'd try etch first |
| 17:32.59 | yos872 | peterS: I'm very sorry, connection lost, I have bad router here, I did not see the answer |
| 17:33.07 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 17:33.09 | asa | peterS, and where i can find a list of compat hardware for linux kernels? |
| 17:33.09 | jetscreamer | case in point |
| 17:33.25 | peterS | yos872: what I said before: same way you format any other hard drive. if you mean low-level format, I don't think you can do that. if you just mean making it ready to use with linux, you use cfdisk or parted to edit the partition table, then some form of mkfs to create a filesystem |
| 17:33.25 | asa | tralala, i will... |
| 17:33.28 | jetscreamer | he lasted 4 seconds |
| 17:33.32 | jetscreamer | he disconnected |
| 17:33.32 | mindpixel | is there some sort of issue with xorg in unstable that makes it run on 100% cpu usage? |
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| 17:33.45 | asa | tralala, firstly i try IDE HDD on marvel controller |
| 17:34.03 | peterS | jetscreamer: you're confusing yos87 with yos872. yos872 came on because he was having connectivity problems as yos87 |
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| 17:34.30 | yos872 | peterS: yes, it's the second choice |
| 17:34.34 | tralala | asa, linux hardware support changes too fast for any docs to be able to keep up - your best bet is to try it yourself |
| 17:34.38 | jetscreamer | o |
| 17:34.44 | yos872 | peterS: I like you peterS , you very smart |
| 17:34.56 | jetscreamer | awww |
| 17:35.10 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 17:35.12 | asa | tralala, ok, thenks... i've found in google that 2.6.21 has a native support of ICH9r |
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| 17:35.15 | LuckyStar__ | peterS is good, but petemc is one asshole |
| 17:35.41 | asa | tralala, so lenny should work fine |
| 17:35.51 | tralala | tralala, except when it breaks |
| 17:36.04 | abrotman | LuckyStar__: don't troll |
| 17:36.07 | yos872 | when I open cfdisk it say bad logical partition enlarged partition overlab |
| 17:36.19 | peterS | asa: yeah. it's also possible that your BIOS setup screen has an option to switch between ICH mode and AHCI mode. both of these should work with 2.6.21, AHCI mode should work with etch. |
| 17:36.48 | LuckyStar__ | what's troll |
| 17:36.51 | abrotman | you |
| 17:36.55 | asa | peterS, tralala , THANK YOU VERY MUCH |
| 17:37.00 | LuckyStar__ | im troll? |
| 17:37.03 | peterS | yos872: if you're just trying to format the disk as a brand new thing, you can use cfdisk -z which starts with a blank partition table and goes from there |
| 17:37.11 | asa | i'll try it all tomorrow :) |
| 17:37.11 | LuckyStar__ | how to troll? |
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| 17:37.16 | LuckyStar__ | i want to troll |
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| 17:37.34 | asa | BB |
| 17:37.40 | LuckyStar__ | if i said, abrotman you are one asshole too, did i troll? |
| 17:37.47 | peterS | LuckyStar__: trolling is one form of intentionally annoying a channel such as this one. don't do it. |
| 17:37.54 | lightning | i have a screensaver that keeps turning on and i've uninstalled everything related to screensaver |
| 17:38.16 | lightning | it's driving me crazy, can anyone help/ |
| 17:38.17 | abrotman | LuckyStar__: keep going |
| 17:38.17 | LuckyStar__ | but how do i know if it will annoy someone or not |
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| 17:38.27 | tralala | lightning, what does it display? |
| 17:38.28 | peterS | LuckyStar__: you'll know when we warn you or ban you |
| 17:38.36 | LuckyStar__ | hmm, you guys troll me |
| 17:38.38 | abrotman | he's an op in #bash .. i'm sure he knows what a troll is |
| 17:38.49 | lightning | tralala: sometimes in tty mode characters like, >>>> |
| 17:38.55 | peterS | abrotman: good to know. no need to be lenient, then |
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| 17:39.31 | tralala | lightning, eh? |
| 17:39.37 | abrotman | or he got hatted somehow |
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| 17:39.41 | xingu | only the commercial software world could implement a "power saving" feature that resulted in a /hotter/ system. |
| 17:39.50 | lightning | tralala: mostly it's blank when icewm is running |
| 17:39.58 | LuckyStar__ | can you guys stop trolling me |
| 17:40.01 | hark | just about everyone's an op in #bash ;) |
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| 17:40.10 | tralala | lightning, try to disable dpms - man xset |
| 17:40.17 | LuckyStar__ | you can't troll to controll me |
| 17:40.25 | peterS | LuckyStar__: drop the subject. if you annoy us, we'll tell you. |
| 17:40.36 | abrotman | LuckyStar__: do you have a Debian related question ? |
| 17:40.53 | LuckyStar__ | but im trolled because i want to avoid trolling ppl |
| 17:41.09 | peterS | LuckyStar__: I said, drop it |
| 17:41.41 | LuckyStar__ | are you trolled? intentionally annoyed? |
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| 17:42.20 | peterS | yes. I am annoyed because you refuse to stop talking about trolling. you can have your voice back in a few minutes. |
| 17:42.43 | tralala | lightning, although you might want to keep the screen saver and only icrease the delay |
| 17:42.44 | bolt | LuckyStar__: troll 2 was much better |
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| 17:42.52 | peterS | bolt: you can drop it too |
| 17:43.08 | bolt | but i just picked it up! i haven't even a clue what's going on yet! |
| 17:43.10 | bolt | gah. fine. |
| 17:43.57 | peterS | just so you know, talking about trolling is no more interesting in this channel than talking about Knoppix or Windows 95 or World of Warcrap |
| 17:44.18 | abrotman | they fling poo ? |
| 17:45.33 | jetscreamer | trollbaiting can be fun |
| 17:45.39 | peterS | enough |
| 17:45.56 | linuxtk10 | anyone here ever do bandwidth accoutning ? |
| 17:46.11 | lightning | tralala: something like "xset dpms force off" |
| 17:46.23 | tralala | peterS, take a deep breath, relax, the channel is quiet anyhow |
| 17:46.27 | lightning | tralala: cannot open display when i enter it in terminal |
| 17:46.41 | jetscreamer | do it in console |
| 17:46.42 | tralala | lightning, you need to do it in X terminal |
| 17:47.03 | lightning | can i put it in xinitrc? |
| 17:47.05 | tralala | lightning, and as I said you might want to increase the delay instead of disabling it completely |
| 17:48.00 | lightning | i'm in tty terminal and it echoes cannot open display |
| 17:48.03 | tralala | I'd stick with the WM autostart mechanism if I were you |
| 17:48.43 | tralala | lightning, xset is controling X features, not tty ones |
| 17:49.12 | lightning | but this screensaver even occurs when i'm logged out and in the linux terminal |
| 17:49.18 | tralala | screen blanking is controlled differently in X and in tty |
| 17:49.19 | abrotman | !blank |
| 17:49.19 | dpkg | hmm... blank is a budget screensaver for linux. To turn it off, run 'setterm -blank 0'. At the same time, you may want to add that to the end of /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 17:49.24 | jetscreamer | it's called.. what he siad |
| 17:49.57 | lightning | :D |
| 17:50.11 | lightning | will it take into effect before restarting? |
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| 17:50.40 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:50.56 | tralala | lightning, you'll need it for every tty iinm |
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| 17:52.18 | lightning | tralala: what does that mean |
| 17:52.30 | lightning | i've entered it into bootmisc.sh at the end of the file |
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| 17:53.23 | tralala | I don't know if bootmisc will disable it for all the ttys |
| 17:53.57 | lightning | tralala: do you know where i could set it to disable all ttys? |
| 17:54.01 | tralala | You'll need something like "for tty in /dev/tty[1-6]; do setterm -blank 0 > $tty; done" |
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| 17:54.31 | jetscreamer | ??????? |
| 17:54.37 | jetscreamer | that doesn't make sense |
| 17:54.54 | jetscreamer | you have to do it for all tty's, but how do you do it for tty7 |
| 17:55.04 | lightning | i think he's talking about a general c argument |
| 17:55.20 | tralala | jetscreamer, stop trolling! |
| 17:55.25 | jetscreamer | i think you only have to do it once but i know nothing and have no wish to argue |
| 17:55.36 | jetscreamer | esp since i know nothing |
| 17:55.43 | lightning | i guess i'll be satisfied if it only works in icewm |
| 17:55.54 | enouf | tralala: strace -etrace=open file -i ./blah.zip <-- try that, you'll see this -> open("/usr/lib/libmagic.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 3 or am i really late to all this? |
| 17:55.57 | lightning | the xset -dpms that is |
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| 17:56.14 | abrotman | you can set dpms in your x config |
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| 17:56.24 | tralala | if I recall correctly (and I might not) setterm sends an escape sequence to the terminal (as in the current terminal) |
| 17:56.43 | jetscreamer | heck i can't tell screen blanking is enabled at all on my box.. i never turned it off, or on. so how did you get it enabled? |
| 17:57.08 | jetscreamer | or such a short time value |
| 17:58.02 | jetscreamer | ahh so if my monitor has dpms in the stanza ... ? |
| 17:58.14 | lightning | jetscreamer: i have no idea, one day it just came to me |
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| 17:58.28 | lightning | i've been searching for about two weeks now for a solution |
| 17:59.00 | lightning | jetscreamer: it's probably because i'm running icewm |
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| 17:59.11 | lightning | jetscreamer: and how do you not have blanking without ever setting it? |
| 17:59.18 | kaushal | hi |
| 17:59.19 | lightning | did i get a non-default setting? |
| 17:59.34 | kaushal | uptime shows 10:58am up 124 days, 1:25, 1 user, load average: 0.05, 0.07, 0.07 |
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| 17:59.51 | kaushal | How can i know the start time and date when my linux box is up |
| 18:00.16 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 18:00.19 | jetscreamer | lightning: all i run is icewm |
| 18:00.26 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 18:00.45 | jetscreamer | well i did set up gnome for my wife... oh wait it's kde now... :) |
| 18:00.56 | lightning | jetscreamer: yeah i'm pretty sure i got the idea from you one day when you were in here talking about icewm |
| 18:01.14 | djace | i'm getting a SIOCSIFMTU: Invalid argument error when setting an mtu of 9000 (jumbo frames...) on a 2.6.21.5 kernel. what am i missing? |
| 18:01.21 | jetscreamer | lightning: i don't spam it much unless somebody asks about lightweight |
| 18:01.21 | lightning | jetscreamer: how cool is icewm? it's like even better than fluxbox! |
| 18:01.38 | jetscreamer | i like flux's themes, but prefer icewm |
| 18:01.42 | tralala | kaushal, "date -d 'today - 125 days'" |
| 18:01.57 | kaushal | ok |
| 18:02.11 | lightning | jetscreamer: are you aware of the default alt+tab behavior |
| 18:02.33 | jetscreamer | lightning: yeah? |
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| 18:02.37 | jetscreamer | works fine? |
| 18:02.56 | lightning | obviously you would be, but what i want to know, is why, just why can't icewm go to next window on minimized windows |
| 18:03.16 | lightning | i mean i loved that about gnome, because i could push a button, and i could see the entire window |
| 18:03.23 | lightning | with alt+tab i have to read it |
| 18:03.46 | jetscreamer | uh did you ever check out that 3 window button next to the start button? |
| 18:03.51 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 18:03.54 | jetscreamer | wait |
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| 18:04.30 | lightning | now i do not know the names of these operations off of the top of my head, but why can't it jump to next window (so to say) on minimized windows |
| 18:04.34 | lightning | thats garbage |
| 18:05.06 | lightning | and i find it crazy what little amount of users are in #icewm |
| 18:05.33 | tralala | I find it crazy there are any at all |
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| 18:05.56 | jetscreamer | i find it crazy anybody would use bloated pig wm ... |
| 18:05.56 | kaushal | tralala it shows incorrect figures |
| 18:06.07 | kaushal | date -d 'today - 124 days' |
| 18:06.09 | kaushal | Thu Dec 6 11:05:19 MST 2007 |
| 18:06.26 | kaushal | which is 8 months old |
| 18:06.27 | logd | hi, i've a question: /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o ppp0 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT says error but /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o ppp0 doesn't what missing ? (kernel 2.6.22.1 compiled by me) |
| 18:06.33 | kaushal | thats wrong |
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| 18:06.45 | lightning | jetscreamer: bloated pig wm? |
| 18:06.51 | tralala | kaushal, is your clock correct? |
| 18:07.04 | jetscreamer | lightning: it applies to whatever it applies to |
| 18:07.07 | kaushal | how do i check |
| 18:07.21 | kaushal | Sat Aug 4 11:07:14 MST 2007 |
| 18:07.22 | lightning | so you're saying icewm is a bloated pig wm |
| 18:07.49 | lekvar | sounds like ratpoison would do the trick |
| 18:08.09 | kaushal | Sat Aug 4 11:07:57 2007 -0.181138 seconds |
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| 18:08.34 | jetscreamer | lightning: you may want # QuickSwitchTextFirst=0 # 0/1 in preferences but not sure.. there are a few options |
| 18:08.38 | tralala | kaushal, it works just fine here. What's your debian version? |
| 18:08.42 | jetscreamer | set it to 1 i mean |
| 18:09.01 | kaushal | Red Hat Linux release 6.2 (Zoot) |
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| 18:09.50 | tralala | kaushal, ahem, ahem... |
| 18:10.03 | lightning | jetscreamer: i've played with them all, and that's my point is that the only "quickswitch" method is this alt+tab, meaning that only alt+tab can move to minimized windows |
| 18:10.12 | sdfe | having some problems building madwifi drivers from souce, fresh install , |
| 18:10.12 | abrotman | kaushal: try #redhat |
| 18:10.18 | abrotman | !madwifi install |
| 18:10.19 | dpkg | from memory, madwifi-install is ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 18:10.27 | jetscreamer | http://icewm.org/manual/icewm-10.html |
| 18:10.29 | lightning | so i then went ahead and said, just don't minimize the windows, but that a hard workaround |
| 18:10.34 | tralala | logd, the protocol perhaps |
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| 18:11.04 | jetscreamer | i'm not sure what you are looking for... |
| 18:11.12 | jetscreamer | guess i'd have to try gnome |
| 18:11.21 | lightning | brb |
| 18:11.51 | logd | <tralala> what about the protocol ? i think itìs missing some module for 'stateì support |
| 18:12.03 | tralala | -p tcp |
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| 18:12.28 | sdfe | says my /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686 is empty but it's not when i try and make the drivers from source. |
| 18:12.35 | tralala | consider using a higher level firewall tool |
| 18:13.13 | tralala | sdfe, did you run m-a prepare? |
| 18:13.22 | logd | <tralala>in kernel 2.6.18 it works just fine, i'm sure i've missed some module compiling the kernel |
| 18:13.28 | logd | but dunno exactly what is it |
| 18:13.34 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 18:13.44 | tralala | logd, does it work with -p tcp? |
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| 18:13.58 | jetscreamer | .18 and .20 seem to have some diff format that souce may not be happy with |
| 18:14.02 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 18:14.14 | sdfe | figured if ubuntu is based on debian, debian should work like ubuntu? |
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| 18:14.21 | logd | this works /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o ppp0 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
| 18:14.35 | jetscreamer | sdfe: other way around but mostly yeah.. there are differences though |
| 18:14.36 | logd | but in 2.6.18 |
| 18:14.45 | logd | i'm compiling 2.6.22 |
| 18:14.48 | sdfe | debian is based on ubuntu? |
| 18:15.00 | logd | ubuntu's based on deb |
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| 18:15.01 | jetscreamer | i meant the other thing you said |
| 18:15.11 | jetscreamer | debian should work like ubuntu |
| 18:15.16 | jetscreamer | oher way :) |
| 18:15.17 | sdfe | oh right. |
| 18:15.21 | sdfe | like i said? |
| 18:15.23 | sdfe | figured if ubuntu is based on debian, debian should work like ubuntu? |
| 18:15.28 | jetscreamer | yeah basically |
| 18:15.36 | jetscreamer | but there are differences |
| 18:15.40 | tralala | logd, ok then you're probably missing the state module |
| 18:15.42 | abrotman | sdfe: no .. ask #ubuntu |
| 18:15.56 | abrotman | oh wait |
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| 18:16.35 | tralala | sdfe, debian and ubunty work similarly but not exactly the same |
| 18:16.45 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 18:16.56 | sdfe | setting up an accesspoint on debian, i've succesfufally done it on the buntus.. |
| 18:17.01 | sdfe | trying to setup anways. |
| 18:17.30 | sdfe | installed those apps, still haveing make problem |
| 18:17.42 | tralala | I've set up an etch AP with madwifi but I had to use the cvs version because the one in etch sucked |
| 18:17.43 | kuitang | How much performance gain will 64bit provide for workstation and server tasks and how much for multimedia? |
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| 18:18.43 | tralala | kuitang, I've measured back in sarge encoding from rawdv to dvd mpeg. 64bit was around 3 times faster |
| 18:18.44 | sdfe | i svn'd to 2634 |
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| 18:18.49 | unlink | does anyone know of an nslu2-like box that has 2 network interfaces? |
| 18:19.06 | sdfe | same version i'm using right now on the ubuntu box |
| 18:19.38 | tralala | sdfe, so you're using the latest madwifi and it ain't compiling? |
| 18:19.43 | sdfe | sure am. |
| 18:19.57 | tralala | how are you trying to compile it? |
| 18:20.04 | sdfe | make |
| 18:20.07 | tralala | do you have the linux-headers installed? |
| 18:20.12 | sdfe | yup |
| 18:20.38 | tralala | use make KSRC=/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-amd64/build/ |
| 18:20.43 | abrotman | !madwifi install |
| 18:20.43 | dpkg | it has been said that madwifi-install is ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 18:20.53 | tralala | correct the path |
| 18:20.59 | abrotman | or ask #madwifi ? |
| 18:22.10 | sdfe | says there's no .config in /build |
| 18:22.15 | sdfe | hwo would i make one? |
| 18:22.47 | tralala | sdfe, you don't have the headers installed |
| 18:22.53 | sdfe | i do! |
| 18:23.02 | tralala | rum m-a prepare *now* |
| 18:23.11 | abrotman | a-i should do that |
| 18:23.33 | tralala | abrotman, he's installing from upstream source |
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| 18:23.57 | sdfe | i did |
| 18:24.04 | sdfe | m-a |
| 18:24.07 | abrotman | he's crazy |
| 18:24.13 | sdfe | did the update, config, reran make. same error |
| 18:24.19 | sdfe | Makefile.inc:91: *** KERNELCONF: /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/build/.config does not exist.. Stop. |
| 18:24.19 | sdfe | polio:~/madwifi-ng# |
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| 18:24.41 | tralala | abrotman, I installed from upsteam because the etch package sucked |
| 18:25.03 | solar_sea | Hello, is there a way to install debian while running another distro and being able to chroot to the disk where I want to install it ? |
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| 18:25.08 | abrotman | tralala: weirdo |
| 18:25.15 | tralala | hehe |
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| 18:25.34 | stoned | solar_sea: /msg dpkg ig |
| 18:25.57 | tralala | solar_sea, yes, by using debootstrap |
| 18:26.08 | sdfe | so how would one fix my problem? |
| 18:26.13 | sdfe | do i have to reloadf the kernel or something? |
| 18:26.14 | lightning | brb |
| 18:26.15 | stoned | solar_sea: read the install guide |
| 18:26.16 | solar_sea | does dpkg have an article about it ?:) |
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| 18:26.24 | tralala | sdfe, by installing the headers |
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| 18:26.37 | stoned | where else will you find information on how to install debian if not in the install guide. |
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| 18:27.10 | helo | how do i get grub to recreate the entries in menu.lst for my windows partition? |
| 18:27.16 | stoned | helo: update-grub |
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| 18:27.25 | jetscreamer | no |
| 18:27.33 | stoned | windows |
| 18:27.33 | sdfe | polio:~/madwifi-ng# apt-show-versions | grep headers |
| 18:27.34 | sdfe | linux-headers-2.6-686/etch uptodate 2.6.18+6 |
| 18:27.34 | sdfe | linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686/etch uptodate 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2 |
| 18:27.34 | sdfe | linux-kernel-headers/etch uptodate 2.6.18-7 |
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| 18:27.44 | jetscreamer | for linux yes, windows no.. there is an example in menu.lst for windows |
| 18:27.53 | EdwardElric | can someone tell me the quickest way to install standard developement tools on a fresh Debian 4.0 install? |
| 18:27.53 | sdfe | headers are installed |
| 18:27.57 | stoned | doesn't it detect ? |
| 18:28.04 | jetscreamer | not windows |
| 18:28.08 | stoned | hmm |
| 18:28.11 | jetscreamer | it parses /boot afaict |
| 18:28.16 | jetscreamer | and that's it |
| 18:28.19 | tralala | sdfe, /msg dpkg paste |
| 18:28.19 | stoned | yes it does |
| 18:28.21 | stoned | right |
| 18:28.23 | helo | it is still calling it (hd1,1) when it should be (hd0,1) |
| 18:28.34 | jetscreamer | just edit it helo |
| 18:28.34 | stoned | man its house cleaning today |
| 18:28.36 | stoned | :( |
| 18:28.41 | jetscreamer | how is sharon btw |
| 18:28.45 | stoned | sharon? |
| 18:28.46 | jetscreamer | toaster lover! |
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| 18:28.50 | jetscreamer | for helo |
| 18:28.52 | stoned | who the fuck is sharon? |
| 18:28.54 | helo | device.map only has one line: (hd0) /dev/sda /dev/sda is my only drive now |
| 18:28.56 | tralala | sdfe, paste the output of dpkg -l | grep headers to http://rafb.net/paste |
| 18:29.00 | jetscreamer | stoned: not into bsg eh |
| 18:29.04 | stoned | bsg? |
| 18:29.11 | stoned | english please my man |
| 18:29.13 | jetscreamer | helo: who said device.map |
| 18:29.18 | jetscreamer | battlestar galactica |
| 18:29.20 | stoned | oh |
| 18:29.26 | stoned | no I don't watch tv at all |
| 18:29.45 | jetscreamer | i watch movies on tv, and tv shows on my computer... |
| 18:29.58 | jetscreamer | movies from my computer i mean... |
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| 18:30.04 | stoned | I download movies |
| 18:30.06 | jetscreamer | generously donated |
| 18:30.06 | stoned | I got over 200gb |
| 18:30.09 | stoned | hehe |
| 18:30.14 | stoned | and tons and tons of tv series |
| 18:30.14 | sdfe | http://rafb.net/p/UYkyB533.html |
| 18:30.16 | tralala | by torrent |
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| 18:30.39 | jetscreamer | who is torrent.... i've heard his name before... |
| 18:30.40 | stoned | family guy,southpark, seinfeld, fraiser,thundercats,xmen, comedy central and just insane |
| 18:30.53 | kuitang | you watch too much |
| 18:31.02 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 18:31.04 | tralala | sdfe, and ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/build/ |
| 18:31.28 | jetscreamer | helo: to get grub to redo the device.map, just rename it and re-run grub-install |
| 18:31.58 | tralala | torrent is the generous donor |
| 18:32.06 | jetscreamer | ah nice guy! |
| 18:32.09 | sdfe | just prints the directory....not the contents |
| 18:32.11 | helo | jetscreamer: if you edit the groot automagic kernel option to the drive that shouyld be hd0, then it works too |
| 18:32.14 | jetscreamer | !mr.torrent++ |
| 18:32.17 | EdwardElric | nvm, i found it 'aptitude install build-essential' |
| 18:32.30 | helo | err, to hd0,0 |
| 18:32.34 | helo | in my case, at least |
| 18:32.51 | jetscreamer | grub can be tricksey |
| 18:32.58 | jetscreamer | give me fish instead! |
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| 18:33.04 | tralala | sdfe, it's supposed to be a symlink, where does it point to? |
| 18:33.22 | sdfe | lol |
| 18:33.23 | sdfe | it's not a link |
| 18:33.29 | tralala | !fishsmite jetscreamer |
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| 18:33.38 | helo | thanks |
| 18:33.44 | sdfe | where's it supposed to point to? |
| 18:33.51 | tralala | to the headers |
| 18:33.55 | sdfe | where they at? |
| 18:34.06 | jetscreamer | helo: device.map is what grub reads to find out where (hd0,0) et al is, i believe, when it runs it's install |
| 18:34.10 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 18:34.13 | tralala | anyhow use make KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 18:34.46 | sdfe | build is supposed to be linked to the headers? |
| 18:35.11 | tralala | yes |
| 18:35.43 | sdfe | so, rm build directory, create link to headers? |
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| 18:36.09 | tralala | no, use KSRC to the headers |
| 18:36.23 | sdfe | then what do i link? |
| 18:36.28 | jetscreamer | you're not in /usr/src/linux-source-something or below are you? |
| 18:36.38 | tralala | you don't link anythink, just run the command already |
| 18:37.42 | sdfe | says ARCH must be defined. |
| 18:37.52 | tralala | why am I such a lame typist? |
| 18:38.26 | sdfe | sorry i'm pissing you off ,but this shit just isn't working. |
| 18:38.31 | sdfe | i appreciate the help. |
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| 18:39.14 | tralala | what's your pwd? |
| 18:39.41 | sdfe | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.47 | sdfe | where the sources are. |
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| 18:42.58 | tralala | sdfe, how did you get the source? |
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| 18:44.30 | sdfe | eyah |
| 18:44.31 | sdfe | svned... |
| 18:44.48 | sdfe | svn co httptomadwifi dirtomake |
| 18:44.49 | tralala | they don't have svn repo - just a cvs one |
| 18:45.14 | sdfe | svn won't work with debian? |
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| 18:46.22 | tralala | I've just build the latest cvs snapshot without any problem so I'd suggest you go to the project page, get the cvs code following the instructions and compile using make KSRC=... |
| 18:47.03 | sdfe | weird, i've always used svn for sources.... |
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| 18:47.44 | tralala | the project page has no svn repo |
| 18:47.55 | tralala | at least not one listed on their page |
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| 18:48.18 | tralala | er... that was kind of the same thing said twice |
| 18:48.25 | sdfe | i use this svn co http://svn.madwifi.org/trunk madwifi-ng |
| 18:48.44 | qwertz | Hi, is there a way (boot option) so that debian boots in a real text-only mode? (HPs ILO does in simple mode only text screens) |
| 18:48.55 | tralala | let me try it |
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| 18:49.40 | hark | qwertz: a real one? |
| 18:49.41 | tralala | qwertz, debian always boots in text mode |
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| 18:49.47 | Pupeno | Hello. |
| 18:50.15 | qwertz | tralala, no it uses (i think) the framebuffer so this is already too much |
| 18:50.18 | Pupeno | does anybody know the name of that program that works as a wrapper of another program that has a prompt, adding the niceness of readline? |
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| 18:51.17 | hark | qwertz: you can try with video=vesafb:off |
| 18:51.21 | tralala | qwertz, I think you can pass a kernel option to not use fb - you'd have to check the docs |
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| 18:51.45 | qwertz | hark, thanks will try it |
| 18:52.04 | mavhc | qwertz: I downloaded the ILO2 trial thing to get remote video access |
| 18:52.24 | tralala | sdfe, the svn sources compiled just fine |
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| 18:52.37 | sdfe | what make command did you use? |
| 18:52.44 | tralala | the one I gave you |
| 18:53.00 | tralala | it seems that your headers are messed up - reinstall them |
| 18:53.12 | burningfire | What's the standard setup for getting sound to work on Debian? I didn't install "Desktop enivronment" so I don't know what it would have installed to make it work :-\ |
| 18:53.34 | sdfe | hmm, how woiuld i use grep to only print first word of everyline? |
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| 18:54.11 | piper69 | how can i remove a make symbolic links ? i did ln -s |
| 18:54.34 | tralala | with rm |
| 18:54.48 | piper69 | tralala: ln -rm |
| 18:54.54 | sdfe | tralala: should i delete /lib/modules/ as well? |
| 18:55.02 | hark | sdfe: just reinstall linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 18:55.13 | hark | piper69: just rm |
| 18:55.28 | piper69 | hark: rm what |
| 18:55.31 | piper69 | ? |
| 18:55.37 | jetscreamer | NO do not do that |
| 18:55.48 | jetscreamer | /lib/modules/something maybe |
| 18:55.54 | jetscreamer | but not /lib/modules |
| 18:55.59 | sdfe | oh yeah, 2.6.18-4 |
| 18:56.15 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 18:56.24 | jetscreamer | only if you uninstalled it, i think |
| 18:56.51 | piper69 | jetscreamer: are you talking to me |
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| 18:57.01 | jetscreamer | no? |
| 18:57.05 | piper69 | i did ln -s mods-available/userdir.* /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ |
| 18:57.14 | jetscreamer | this one <sdfe> tralala: should i delete /lib/modules/ as well? |
| 18:57.30 | piper69 | i want to remove this link |
| 18:58.11 | sdfe | polio:~/madwifi-ng# make KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 18:58.11 | sdfe | ath_hal/ah_target.inc:5: *** ARCH must be defined. Stop. |
| 18:58.12 | sdfe | polio:~/madwifi-ng# |
| 18:58.13 | sdfe | no good |
| 18:59.00 | tralala | piper69, cd mods-available/; for link in userdir.*; do rm -i /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/"$link"; done |
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| 18:59.55 | sdfe | where would i specifcy the arch? |
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| 19:01.39 | Pupeno | How can see all the packages that depend on package cl-launch? |
| 19:03.07 | Pupeno | or that is, all the packages that depend on a given package. |
| 19:03.31 | hark | apt-cache rdepends cl-launch (but it seems none do ;) ) |
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| 19:05.03 | hark | sdfe: try #madwifi |
| 19:05.23 | sdfe | i don't think it's a madwifi problem, i think it's a debian problem. |
| 19:05.34 | sdfe | same svn revision installs on ubuntu |
| 19:05.51 | Pupeno | and having the name of a package, not installed, can I get all the files that it would install? |
| 19:05.53 | hark | all right, stay here then :) |
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| 19:05.58 | sdfe | lol |
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| 19:06.23 | piper69 | tralala: mods-available or mods-enabled ? |
| 19:07.31 | tralala | piper69, whatever you used for linking |
| 19:07.37 | hark | Pupeno: you could use apt-file search <package> i guess |
| 19:07.59 | tralala | sdfe, paste the output of gcc --version to http://rafb.net/paste |
| 19:08.04 | Pupeno | hark: that would only search for packages containing a file named <package> |
| 19:08.51 | Pupeno | hark: apt-file list may seem to do it. |
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| 19:09.32 | sdfe | hold on, reinstalling it. |
| 19:09.32 | sdfe | removing headers removed gcc and buildessential, and few other thigns |
| 19:09.32 | piper69 | tralala: when i do that i get rm: cannot remove directory `/etc/apache2/mods-enabled/': Is a directory |
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| 19:09.47 | sdfe | gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21) |
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| 19:10.54 | hark | Pupeno: yeah, show instead (search would bing a lot more as well) |
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| 19:11.09 | tralala | sdfe, apt can reinstall without removing. Does it compile now? |
| 19:11.50 | sdfe | polio:~/madwifi-ng# make KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686/bin/sh: line 0: cd: /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/build: No such file or directoryMakefile.inc:66: *** /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/build is missing, please set KERNELPATH. Stop. |
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| 19:12.29 | RockerServer | how would i mount a NTFS filesystem on an external [usb] hard drive? |
| 19:12.35 | solar_sea | After installing etch base system with debootstrap and copying the kernel over the boot/, how can I boot into the freshly installed debian ? |
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| 19:12.57 | tralala | sdfe, well do as it asks |
| 19:13.03 | sdfe | same error |
| 19:13.09 | solar_sea | (i've tried installing lilo but on boot=/dev/sda it says that I'm using a raid and quits, and i'm not) |
| 19:13.46 | sdfe | says arch must be defined. |
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| 19:14.23 | RockerServer | hey Dekcarki |
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| 19:19.57 | tralala | sdfe, is this the latest revision of madwifi? |
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| 19:21.50 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 19:21.50 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
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| 19:24.10 | hendrik123 | what is faster: |
| 19:24.25 | hendrik123 | APC or MEMCACHE? |
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| 19:26.19 | PinkFreud | hey, folks. Having some difficulty building a package and having it signed. |
| 19:26.51 | PinkFreud | gpg: skipped "Mike Edwards <pf-debian@...>": secret key not available |
| 19:27.02 | PinkFreud | ... the problem being, the secret key *is* available. :) |
| 19:28.25 | PinkFreud | do I need to specify the key id somewhere, or should signfile be able to figure it out automatically via gpg? |
| 19:28.48 | PinkFreud | I'd think the latter, but so far, it doesn't appear to be doing this very well. :) |
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| 19:33.34 | PinkFreud | hmmm. |
| 19:33.38 | PinkFreud | any ideas? |
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| 19:38.13 | PinkFreud | ahh, there we go. email address has to match exactly, including comment. |
| 19:38.31 | PinkFreud | interesting. channel with 733 people, and 732 aren't around. |
| 19:38.37 | PinkFreud | see ya! |
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| 19:39.28 | Wyzard | What does the '+' mean next to a partiton's "block size" in fdisk? |
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| 19:40.01 | abrotman | Wyzard: it's about to die! |
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| 19:46.14 | linuxtk10 | whats the easiest way to get the size od a firectroy ? |
| 19:46.17 | linuxtk10 | directory |
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| 19:46.45 | solar_sea | I've installed etch with deboostrap, how can I install a kernel to it with apt-get ? |
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| 19:47.37 | linuxtk10 | solar_sea: apt-cache search kernel |
| 19:47.42 | linuxtk10 | you will see it there |
| 19:48.02 | linuxtk10 | i woul tell you the name but i use Lenny |
| 19:48.11 | linuxtk10 | also did you set your network stuff and fstab ? |
| 19:48.17 | solar_sea | a slight problem with it, as far as I can remember, the version there [2.6.18] doesn't have support for sata drives |
| 19:48.20 | linuxtk10 | debootstrap does not do that for you |
| 19:48.20 | enouf | du -sh /dir likely lightning |
| 19:48.27 | enouf | du -sh /dir likely linuxtk10 |
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| 19:48.41 | linuxtk10 | thanks enouf |
| 19:48.47 | solar_sea | I've used an old kmuto kernel for sarge once, but I have lost the .deb for it |
| 19:49.00 | linuxtk10 | enouf: the other method i was using took a good 30 second for some things |
| 19:49.19 | linuxtk10 | solar_sea: i am not sure but i used etch and i have sata drives |
| 19:50.20 | solar_sea | okey, is there anything else that I need to set up after deboostrap safe fstab and a kernel ? |
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| 19:51.50 | enouf | solar_sea: etch should/does have very good sata drive support - maybe not your controller, but.. |
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| 19:52.21 | solar_sea | an intel ich8r was the controller I think, pretty popular on low-cost motherboards :) |
| 19:52.48 | enouf | Wyzard: iinm it means that partition falls on a cylinder boundary - man sfdisk, try the example shown using the -d option perhaps |
| 19:52.50 | Hoxzer | aargh, |
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| 19:53.05 | Hoxzer | can somebody help me apache2 appears to think that _all_ ports are in use |
| 19:53.14 | Nuxis | O_o |
| 19:53.29 | Hoxzer | I really doup that the problem is with the system |
| 19:53.31 | Nuxis | Hoxzer: that is weird |
| 19:53.37 | Hoxzer | Well _yes_ it is |
| 19:53.46 | Nuxis | Hoxzer: you config is set up good? |
| 19:54.01 | Hoxzer | Yes, I suppose so... I think this was caused by update |
| 19:54.39 | Nuxis | what did the update do? |
| 19:55.03 | Hoxzer | I dunno |
| 19:55.07 | Hoxzer | what debian update does... |
| 19:55.09 | Wyzard | enouf: Does fall on a cylinder boundary? Or doesn't? |
| 19:55.10 | Nuxis | mhh you should know that |
| 19:55.17 | bolt | Is there a console-based application I can use to play midi and mod? |
| 19:55.18 | enouf | Wyzard: does not |
| 19:55.37 | Nuxis | well Hoxzer I think apt-get holds a log of his latest update |
| 19:55.42 | enouf | Wyzard: apologies, i see i wrote that bad up above |
| 19:55.48 | Nuxis | but I need to go :( sorry |
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| 19:55.51 | Wyzard | enouf: hmm... that's what I'd thought, but I'm trying to help a friend who says he's creating partitions by specifying starting and ending cylinder numbers, and still getting '+' |
| 19:56.00 | Hoxzer | http://paste.debian.net/34016 anyways I get this error regardless of port I use |
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| 19:56.27 | diafic | How do you set what DNS servers to use on a machine? |
| 19:56.27 | enouf | Wyzard: using multiples of 8MiB? or whatever number fdisk shows? |
| 19:56.37 | diafic | (not got any GUI installed; don't really want to) |
| 19:56.59 | jakub_ | hey hi |
| 19:57.04 | jakub_ | i have problem with mi rt2500 based card |
| 19:57.06 | Wyzard | enouf: using cylinder numbers directly, so multiples of whatever the cylinder size is |
| 19:57.18 | enouf | Wyzard: also Ext'd and/or MS partitions may have nice mess to say about that |
| 19:57.21 | jakub_ | if i do m-a a-i rt2500 - it works perfectly okay it works i see ra0 as interface |
| 19:57.25 | jakub_ | after restart |
| 19:57.28 | jakub_ | i modprobe rt2500 |
| 19:57.36 | jakub_ | but i dont see ra0 :( |
| 19:57.57 | jakub_ | it dont show, in syslog is the line which say - cardbus card was inserted.. |
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| 19:58.21 | diafic | jakub_, I had that card |
| 19:58.25 | diafic | and knew the solution |
| 19:58.26 | jakub_ | yeah |
| 19:58.28 | diafic | but that was looong ago |
| 19:58.30 | enouf | Wyzard: see that sfdisk example too, i mentioned -- also remember there's a 63 sector offset too |
| 19:58.34 | jakub_ | please tell me |
| 19:58.35 | diafic | I had an RA2500 too :) |
| 19:58.38 | diafic | I don't remember |
| 19:58.45 | diafic | it was a good year or two ago |
| 19:58.52 | jakub_ | and what did you must do ? |
| 19:58.56 | jakub_ | :oo (( |
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| 19:59.08 | Wyzard | enouf: 63-sector offset for what? |
| 19:59.22 | enouf | Wyzard: from 0-63 sectors |
| 19:59.34 | enouf | the beginning of the disk Wyzard |
| 19:59.55 | enouf | Wyzard: MS Blista though jumps all the way to 2048 .. ugh |
| 20:00.15 | Wyzard | enouf: I know the first partition skips over some sectors to make room for the bootsector and any additional boot code, but that shouldn't affect the others |
| 20:00.28 | Hoxzer | ok, problem solved seems like apache tried to same ports 2 times |
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| 20:00.42 | enouf | Wyzard: yes, but i guess it depends |
| 20:00.57 | Wyzard | enouf: If one uses fdisk to create a partition, and enters 12171 for the starting cylinder and 24331 as the ending cylinder, the resulting partition should be cylinder-aligned, shouldn't it? |
| 20:00.59 | enouf | not enough information yet |
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| 20:01.28 | Wyzard | enouf: The starting and ending cylinder numbers are all that fdisk asks for |
| 20:01.57 | twobitsprite | how can I tell how much vram I have? |
| 20:02.16 | Bogus8 | any of you guys played with Looking Glass by Sun? |
| 20:02.19 | enouf | Wyzard: in that case, it's be safe to assume it can't start the partition exactly at 12171 i guess |
| 20:02.37 | enouf | Wyzard: also as i said it would depend what's there, what other utils marked the disk, etc |
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| 20:03.05 | Wyzard | enouf: The previous partition was created with a start of 1 and an end of 12170 |
| 20:03.32 | enouf | and how is that showing up? |
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| 20:03.40 | Wyzard | enouf: It's a Linux-only system, though I don't see how other tools "marking" the disk could invisibly affect how fdisk edits a partition table |
| 20:03.45 | enouf | created with what? |
| 20:03.55 | Wyzard | enouf: created with Linux fdisk |
| 20:04.04 | Wyzard | Linux fdisk and cfdisk are the only tools being used |
| 20:04.55 | enouf | maybe it's a bug - seen bts? |
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| 20:05.56 | enouf | Wyzard: i certain;y can se how an Ext'd partition can mess that all up, especially anything marked win95 ext'd, or even ntfs poop |
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| 20:06.47 | Wyzard | How can a filesystem (which is located *within* a partition and constrained by the partition's boundaries) possibly affect where fdisk puts the partition boundaries? |
| 20:07.51 | bolt | SUPER-SONIC! |
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| 20:09.25 | enouf | Wyzard: maybe fdisk is choking on any sort of 48bit LBA needed for above the 127GiB boundary thing |
| 20:10.02 | dondelelcaro | (though the fact that it sais dovecot. means that it started dovecot, and your problem should be explained in mail.err) |
| 20:10.05 | dondelelcaro | ECHAN |
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| 20:10.58 | enouf | Wyzard: i asked if the 1st partition 1-12170 shows the misalignment? |
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| 20:12.36 | Wyzard | enouf: The first partition shows up as being misaligned, but that's expected because the beginning is automatically misaligned due to the boot sector |
| 20:12.46 | Wyzard | I don't know of a way to check whether the end is misaligned |
| 20:12.47 | enouf | hrm .. /me wonders if the fdisk on the amd64 port is actually 64bits |
| 20:13.06 | Wyzard | /sbin/fdisk: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 20:13.32 | enouf | Wyzard: have you tried setting partitions using sizes? instead of cylinders? or are you bug checking or somehitng? |
| 20:13.41 | enouf | wow . heh |
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| 20:13.51 | pedro_ | my vncviewer automatically switches to bgr233 mode.. any idea why? |
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| 20:14.19 | Wyzard | I'm actually trying to debug a problem where mdadm, creating a RAID array, says that one of the devices is "too small" even though they show up as being the same size in fdisk |
| 20:14.42 | enouf | ahhh .. |
| 20:14.57 | corey | not using fb on a laptop can cause lockups?? |
| 20:15.07 | Wyzard | that's confusing by itself because mdadm isn't supposed to require them to be the same size, and doesn't even warn unless they differ by more than 1% |
| 20:15.22 | Wyzard | but creating cylinder-aligned partitions seems prudent anyway |
| 20:15.48 | corey | does virtualization on debian automagically use ram??? |
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| 20:16.14 | bolt | pedro_: have you tried from another machine? |
| 20:16.23 | pedro_ | bolt: yeah |
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| 20:16.40 | pedro_ | and it only does it when i vnc into a particular mahine |
| 20:17.00 | bolt | pedro_: anything special about the vnc server, perhaps? |
| 20:17.01 | pedro_ | but i can vnc to that machine from another box, and vnc works in full color |
| 20:17.15 | pedro_ | im baffled |
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| 20:17.33 | corey | I got two gigs or ram and top through debian shows under one but live cd's see it correctly |
| 20:18.14 | petemc | corey: i think the kernel you install with will only use up to 1 gig, install another kernel |
| 20:18.27 | pedro_ | pffft... computers are just screwy |
| 20:18.32 | abrotman | corey: which kernel ? uname -a |
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| 20:19.13 | corey | abrotman standard etch no upgrades (yet) I need a bigmem kernel?? |
| 20:19.30 | abrotman | uname -a |
| 20:19.31 | abrotman | i want to see it |
| 20:19.54 | abrotman | and what CPU do you have |
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| 20:20.31 | corey | abrotman tough I ain't wipping it out for a uname ;-) |
| 20:20.41 | abrotman | okay ... fine .. figure it out yourself |
| 20:20.44 | corey | abrotman it is the i486 |
| 20:20.49 | enouf | Wyzard: intersting here sfdisk also is showing a '-' on some of mine, and the same partitions marked with a '+' is fdisk, are there as well in sfdisk, so /fdisk/ is missing the '-' for me here.. |
| 20:20.51 | abrotman | and your CPU ? |
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| 20:21.10 | corey | abrotman do you know who this is? |
| 20:21.14 | ntltrmllgnc | is there a reason why blackbox has humongous fonts? |
| 20:21.21 | abrotman | corey: i don't know your CPU |
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| 20:22.18 | corey | abrotman its the amd dual core we talked about IBM's I went for the hp :-) |
| 20:22.44 | abrotman | so -k8 i guess .. just install the -k8 kernel |
| 20:22.51 | abrotman | apt-cache search linux-image k8 |
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| 20:23.43 | corey | abrotman does it have smp and bigmem? |
| 20:23.44 | mgn | Anyone who can help me out with configuring laptop hotkeys in debian etch? |
| 20:23.55 | Wyzard | enouf: aha: the '+' is apparently indicating that the partition size is not a multiple of 1k |
| 20:24.02 | abrotman | it has enough for you :) |
| 20:24.11 | Wyzard | enouf: It's in the "blocks" column, which counts 1024-byte blocks |
| 20:24.19 | enouf | Wyzard: huh .. :-/ |
| 20:24.22 | Wyzard | enouf: and the partition size is an odd multiple of 512 |
| 20:24.24 | enouf | ahh |
| 20:24.44 | mgn | I've tried xev to see which keys gave output. Only mute button gives output, but I know it can be done. The keys works out of the box in ubuntu. |
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| 20:24.56 | Wyzard | enouf: I've definitely heard of a '+' meaning a partition that isn't cylinder-aligned, though... maybe in that case the '+' would be on the starting or ending cylinder number? |
| 20:25.00 | Wyzard | enouf: I don't remember |
| 20:25.13 | corey | abrotman ok do I need to set up fb I read I need nvidia for X (have to) but my console freeks out |
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| 20:25.33 | enouf | Wyzard: i don't either, and really only recall it being an issue when "resizing" partitions |
| 20:25.40 | abrotman | corey: isn't this a server ? |
| 20:26.40 | xand | servers need the best graphics |
| 20:27.35 | bolt | i play quake 4 on my job's mailserver all the time |
| 20:27.42 | corey | abrotman nope a laptop uhm a AMD Turion. 64 X2 mobile technology TL-56 |
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| 20:28.58 | corey | abrotman don't you remember I want to use xen? |
| 20:29.00 | enouf | Wyzard: so in /sfdisk/ the '-' in the #cyls column is showing a misalignment, not the + listed under #blocks |
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| 20:29.21 | abrotman | corey: maybe you should stop using different nicks |
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| 20:30.10 | corey | abrotman uhm ok...I need to set one up on my friends box ;-) |
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| 20:30.22 | abrotman | corey: you could just /nick mfrish |
| 20:30.27 | abrotman | erm .. but spell it right |
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| 20:30.46 | zophy[] | how can i determine how much of a sparse file has actual data in it\ ? |
| 20:30.50 | corey | abrotman yeah I guess |
| 20:31.01 | RockerServer | how do i get JRE on Debian? i've tried apt-get install jre and apt-get install java - neither work.... |
| 20:31.14 | simonrvn | corey: we can't see your face you know |
| 20:31.26 | simonrvn | !tell RockerServer -about search |
| 20:31.55 | simonrvn | RockerServer: you'll need non-free and contrib in your sources.list 'deb' lines too |
| 20:31.59 | darsie | zophy[]: I think ls can show that, in blocks or so. |
| 20:32.00 | mfrisch | is that better!?!?!? |
| 20:32.09 | simonrvn | mfrisch: no :P |
| 20:32.14 | RockerServer | simonrvn, ...tried apt-cache search and got nothing that worked there |
| 20:32.30 | simonrvn | read what the bot told you RockerServer |
| 20:32.39 | mfrisch | damn t1 is so slow!! |
| 20:33.12 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 20:33.45 | simonrvn | you wanna exchange for pppoe 5 Mb/800 kb ? :P |
| 20:34.02 | mfrisch | simonrvn YUP!! |
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| 20:34.23 | simonrvn | what kind of bandwidth do you get? |
| 20:34.24 | mfrisch | I am blazing at 55kbps!! |
| 20:34.29 | simonrvn | ooh |
| 20:34.33 | simonrvn | >_< |
| 20:34.56 | mfrisch | simonrvn that is what you get for a public connection! |
| 20:35.05 | simonrvn | !!! |
| 20:35.05 | dpkg | I'm not your fucking csh prompt. |
| 20:35.22 | bolt | !botcookie |
| 20:35.28 | simonrvn | botsnack |
| 20:35.31 | bolt | ah |
| 20:35.43 | simonrvn | !botsnack |
| 20:35.44 | dpkg | simonrvn: aw, gee |
| 20:35.52 | mfrisch | so anyways do laptops nneed fb? |
| 20:35.55 | rookiehwm | !botsnack |
| 20:35.55 | dpkg | :), rookiehwm |
| 20:36.01 | simonrvn | only if you want |
| 20:36.03 | rookiehwm | aww shucks he smiled at me |
| 20:36.07 | mgn | Anyone who can help me out with configuring laptop hotkeys in debian etch? |
| 20:36.11 | mgn | I've tried xev to see which keys gave output. Only mute button gives output, but I know it can be done. The keys works out of the box in ubuntu. |
| 20:36.27 | mfrisch | simonrvn does it interfer with X |
| 20:36.30 | simonrvn | mfrisch: old style mac ppc lappies need it, they don't do vesa |
| 20:36.33 | simonrvn | mfrisch: no |
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| 20:36.56 | mfrisch | simonrvn this does not do vesa...only real nvidia |
| 20:37.29 | enouf | mgn: i have no idea, but i have this bookmark http://tuxmobil.org/Mobile-Guide.db/mobile-guide-p2c1s8-ext-keys.html -- also do "/msg dpkg laptop" |
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| 20:39.13 | mgn | enouf: Thanks. I'll look at it :) |
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| 20:41.11 | mfrisch | ls |
| 20:43.03 | xand | what's the "total" number at the top of ls -l output? |
| 20:43.29 | xand | hmm total size in kb i guess |
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| 20:45.25 | diafic | Quick! How do I set a DNS Server under debian without gnome? |
| 20:45.31 | robboplus | how do you tell wget to ignore expired ssl cert? |
| 20:45.55 | diafic | the wget man/ --help info is very helpful, actually |
| 20:45.55 | rookiehwm | diafic: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:46.00 | phogg | diafic: how the hell would you do it WITH gnome? |
| 20:46.01 | diafic | not just trolling, but it really is helpful |
| 20:46.10 | diafic | admin -> networking |
| 20:46.12 | diafic | the DNS tab |
| 20:46.26 | phogg | diafic: oh, thoought you meant "set up my dns server" as in "configure bind" |
| 20:46.31 | diafic | lol |
| 20:46.33 | diafic | :P |
| 20:46.46 | robboplus | diafic is this all you can say? to read mans and help files? |
| 20:46.49 | diafic | I'm not a wintard, phogg |
| 20:46.54 | robboplus | i can setup a bot like that for you so you only watch :) |
| 20:47.03 | diafic | robboplus, I'm serious |
| 20:47.07 | robboplus | i'm serious too |
| 20:47.08 | diafic | its very useful for wget |
| 20:47.13 | diafic | and not like the man for other things |
| 20:47.15 | robboplus | this is a chat channel, not "google it" one |
| 20:47.29 | diafic | you're new here, arn'tcha :P |
| 20:47.30 | mfrisch | THANKS Debian!!! and abrotman too ;-) |
| 20:47.33 | phogg | I am a Google Proxy |
| 20:47.35 | robboplus | diafic i'm not |
| 20:47.42 | simonrvn | diafic: why would you set up a nameserver with gnome in the first place? |
| 20:47.46 | robboplus | diafic i found it already but i really didn't like your reply |
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| 20:47.58 | diafic | I need to find a PSU and an ATX case |
| 20:48.03 | diafic | I need another Vmware sevrer |
| 20:48.07 | diafic | mines overloaded as it is :/ |
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| 20:49.13 | pastorn | i get two eth-devices in etch when i only have one port. driver: rlt8139 |
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| 20:52.14 | diafic | pastorn, what are they called? |
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| 20:52.23 | pastorn | eth0, eth1 |
| 20:52.29 | abrotman | failover ? |
| 20:52.30 | sweetandy | Well my Sid box finally broke beyond repair. |
| 20:52.32 | diafic | does it have firewire? |
| 20:52.33 | pastorn | but eth1 has a weird mac adress |
| 20:52.38 | simonrvn | toenail, and screwball |
| 20:52.38 | pastorn | yes |
| 20:52.38 | diafic | firewire. :P |
| 20:52.43 | sweetandy | I was able to salvage my email prefs/storage in a targz |
| 20:52.43 | diafic | I have that on my powermac |
| 20:53.01 | diafic | because it has an onboard firewire system, it recognises it as a network interface |
| 20:53.02 | sweetandy | The whole problem was with X |
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| 20:53.20 | pastorn | diafic: how does one solve this? |
| 20:53.31 | diafic | pastorn, its not really a problem, is it? |
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| 20:54.11 | pastorn | it is; eth1 shows up in the gnome-ish network management tool, and i can't 'activate' neiter |
| 20:54.16 | diafic | so? |
| 20:54.19 | diafic | ignore it |
| 20:54.23 | diafic | or remove the firewire hardware |
| 20:54.32 | enouf | pastorn: udev rules likely |
| 20:54.34 | diafic | or the module that supports it |
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| 20:54.55 | pastorn | diafic: heh, onboard firewire :/ |
| 20:55.11 | diafic | choices that I know of: Ignore/remove module |
| 20:55.21 | pastorn | how does one go about to remove a module? |
| 20:56.06 | enouf | pastorn: see /usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html - and look at /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
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| 20:57.01 | enouf | pastorn: removing is modprobe -r <modulename> .. lsmod will list |
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| 20:58.09 | sweetandy | Maybe I should stick with Etch |
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| 20:58.21 | sweetandy | Clearly I can't handle Sid |
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| 20:58.37 | zinx | sid's a moving target |
| 20:59.09 | sweetandy | Maybe it's a common problem: When I switch between terminals (C-M-F1 through F7), eventually when I go back to F7 (X :0) I get gobbledy gook, and can no longer type anything that does not also result in gobbledy gook |
| 20:59.13 | sweetandy | Is this a common error? |
| 20:59.22 | babilen | sweetandy: i am pretty happy with lenny for some time already... that might be worth a try for you |
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| 20:59.42 | pastorn | enouf: could it be eth1394? |
| 20:59.44 | sweetandy | I've found two ways of solving it - the power button, and SSH-ing in to kill gdm and start gdm again as root |
| 20:59.55 | sweetandy | babilen: Is it significantly more stable than Unstable? |
| 20:59.57 | sweetandy | What am I saying |
| 21:00.00 | sweetandy | of course it is ; ) |
| 21:00.01 | enouf | pastorn: that'd be hte firewire eth device yes |
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| 21:00.19 | enouf | pastorn: lspci should also list these devices |
| 21:00.27 | pastorn | is modprobe -r permanent or just for this session? |
| 21:00.46 | enouf | pastorn: as root modinfo eth1394 should tell you a bit about it |
| 21:00.56 | enouf | pastorn: session |
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| 21:01.09 | enouf | pastorn: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 21:01.22 | babilen | sweetandy: there are a couple of packages in unstable, which did not yet made the transition to testing. it is pretty stable for me. i had some minor probelems (texlive... ) but nothin serious.. |
| 21:01.30 | pastorn | enouf: thanks :) |
| 21:01.49 | sweetandy | babilen: Do you spend time at the ttys? |
| 21:01.58 | enouf | sure - just make sure your udev rules are correct, and you shouldn't need to mess with the modules, but whatever |
| 21:02.03 | enouf | pastorn: ^^^^ |
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| 21:02.57 | babilen | what do you mean? i love the command line, although i use a xterm for that. |
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| 21:04.21 | sweetandy | babilen: Hmm, my problem arises from switching to and from X. But thanks, I'm sure it is MUCH more stable. |
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| 21:06.35 | pastorn | enouf: in /etc/modprobe.d/blaclist all lines begin with "blacklist" but dpkg told me to add "install module_name /bin/true" which seems rather odd... |
| 21:06.39 | sweetandy | FliesLikeABrick: I love your name. |
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| 21:06.54 | FliesLikeABrick | thanks |
| 21:07.00 | enouf | pastorn: hrm .. yes that is.. |
| 21:07.00 | sweetandy | FliesLikeABrick: Vogon? |
| 21:07.04 | simonrvn | sometimes i see some creative nicks in here |
| 21:07.16 | pastorn | blacklist eth1394 perhaps... |
| 21:07.33 | enouf | pastorn: try both \o/ one at a time |
| 21:07.48 | enouf | pastorn: though i would try dpkg's suggestion 1st |
| 21:08.08 | enouf | pastorn: since some modules such as IPv6 need other add things to block them |
| 21:09.40 | enouf | er s/other odd things/ |
| 21:10.55 | pastorn | heh |
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| 21:11.04 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
| 21:11.43 | pastorn | yay!! only one eth-device!! might work now, though i need to give the TP-cable to the other computer to test this |
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| 21:12.39 | pastorn | enouf: modprobe -r must've done the trick now, and if the blacklist thing didn't work i can just add that to some startup-script or the other ;) |
| 21:12.42 | pastorn | KTHXBYE (<3 <3 <3 lolcode <3 <3 <3) |
| 21:13.12 | enouf | for ex; pastorn ; you'd UNcomment this line alias net-pf-10 off IPv6 in /etc/modutils/aliases --or-- change the (ipv6 to off) in the line-> alias net-pf-10 ipv6 in /etc/modprob.d/aliases |
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| 21:13.29 | enouf | er s/etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
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| 21:14.57 | cyzie | is it possible to extract sources.list from the testing installer? |
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| 21:15.58 | enouf | cyzie: no idea, you need a mirror list? |
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| 21:16.47 | cyzie | i want the default lenny sources.list because nvidia-kernel-sources is not in my repos |
| 21:17.05 | enouf | that makes no sense ;-) |
| 21:17.11 | abrotman | cyzie: it's not in lenny |
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| 21:17.18 | abrotman | !sources.list |
| 21:17.18 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 21:17.39 | cyzie | abrotman, it's not in lenny? |
| 21:17.45 | cyzie | why? |
| 21:17.57 | abrotman | if you want a stable system .. use stable |
| 21:18.43 | cyzie | my question isnt stable or testing |
| 21:18.51 | cyzie | i want to isntall my nvidia graphic driver |
| 21:19.33 | petemc_ | cyzie: the nvidia driver doesnt work with lenny, if you run lenny you need to backport a sid kernel to use nvidia |
| 21:19.37 | petemc_ | or so im told |
| 21:19.59 | cyzie | mmmm okay |
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| 21:20.28 | cyzie | so nvidia driver work fine in sid? |
| 21:21.14 | petemc_ | see above |
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| 21:21.26 | antgel | do we look like we run sid? :P |
| 21:21.56 | cyzie | yes, you do |
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| 21:25.12 | subx | i want to change the permission of all the php files on my website to 644, as all the php files are scattered in different sub directories etc, i try using this: chmod -R 644 public_html/*.php but it doesnt change any of the php files in the sub directories.. ? |
| 21:25.38 | antgel | subx: use find -name '*.php' -exec chmod 0644 {} =; |
| 21:25.51 | antgel | oops should finish \; |
| 21:25.51 | subx | jeeze ive never seen that approach before |
| 21:26.05 | abrotman | that's why you asked us! |
| 21:26.21 | abrotman | antgel: and you forgot a path ? |
| 21:26.21 | antgel | subx: so, find is one of the best commands around, learn it now |
| 21:26.32 | antgel | abrotman: yeah |
| 21:26.44 | subx | find -name '*.php' -exec chmod 0644 {} =\; shouldnt i specify the public_html directory ? |
| 21:26.54 | antgel | subx: yeah, after find, before -name |
| 21:26.59 | subx | i dont want my whole server to chance |
| 21:27.08 | antgel | like abrotman annoyingly pointed out |
| 21:27.12 | abrotman | argh! |
| 21:27.17 | ricky | Hehe. It starts in the current directory by default, if I remember correctly. |
| 21:27.23 | JosefAssad | bloody firefox |
| 21:27.44 | subx | find /home/blabla/public_html -name '*.php' -exec chmod 0644 {} =\; <-- this? |
| 21:27.52 | sdfe | AAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 21:28.13 | antgel | subx: i reckon, but don't forget, never type any command you don't understand |
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| 21:28.31 | antgel | some people use xargs for that but i find its syntax confusing, and i don't have a beard |
| 21:28.32 | abrotman | antgel: that's how i got on irc ... |
| 21:28.46 | antgel | abrotman: how? |
| 21:28.57 | petemc_ | antgel: | xargs command |
| 21:29.09 | amar-ze | need howto apache2 ssl |
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| 21:29.11 | amar-ze | anyone? |
| 21:29.25 | antgel | petemc_: are you piping me to xargs? :) |
| 21:29.30 | JosefAssad | I refuse to believe I'm the only one with firefox memory problems even after the about:config "fixes" |
| 21:29.30 | petemc_ | yes! |
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| 21:29.36 | toostrong_2851 | http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?uid=2851 |
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| 21:29.42 | antgel | petemc_: ow |
| 21:29.43 | subx | find: missing argument to `-exec' |
| 21:29.53 | abrotman | damn spammers |
| 21:30.12 | antgel | subx: great, now you can work out what you did wrong :) |
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| 21:30.45 | antgel | ah |
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| 21:30.52 | phenom | Dumb question, but has anyone ever install the full 14? discs? |
| 21:30.54 | antgel | no equals sign, that was my typo |
| 21:30.55 | phenom | :) |
| 21:31.02 | streuner_ | oh, right, abrotman |
| 21:31.11 | abrotman | phenom: you can't install all the packages |
| 21:31.13 | antgel | phenom: yes. norris mcwhirter once did |
| 21:31.16 | abrotman | they conflict with each other |
| 21:31.20 | amar-ze | !apache2 |
| 21:31.20 | dpkg | well, apache2 is a virtual package provided by one of the following packages: apache2-mpm-worker, apache2-mpm-prefork, apache2-mpm-perchild. Each package contains the apache2 server compiled with unique options - Read the description for each package and select the one right for you. You should also read the docs, which are in the apache2-doc package. |
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| 21:31.47 | antgel | eek, imagine reading the apache docs *shudder* |
| 21:31.54 | superstition | i've tried to install a package dpkg -i package.deb, this fails because of dependencies, it was an unstable package |
| 21:32.02 | ricky | Strange.. I never use an = in my find commands. |
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| 21:32.12 | antgel | "and /this/ option is to control the header format in http 1.0 auth" etc etc |
| 21:32.12 | Ozux | Hi #debian |
| 21:32.27 | superstition | when i now try to install sudo per apt-get it's mentioned about missing dependencies |
| 21:32.29 | logd | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.39 | antgel | ricky: you haven't lived |
| 21:32.46 | Ozux | Any body know How can I recive a file with bluetooth in GNOME ? |
| 21:32.49 | superstition | how to tell apt-get to forget the previos package? |
| 21:32.50 | mgn | RockerServer: aptitude install sun-java5-jre |
| 21:33.00 | abrotman | superstition: aptitude -f install |
| 21:33.12 | ricky | antgel: Heh- I actually can't find anything about it in the manpage either. What is it for? |
| 21:33.42 | antgel | ricky: what, the = ? it was a fucking typo. enough already, what do you lot want, blood? |
| 21:34.17 | superstition | thx |
| 21:34.57 | antgel | Ozux: isn't it all built into gnome? did you search on the web? what's not working? |
| 21:35.07 | ricky | antgel: Oh, sorry- I really didn't know. |
| 21:35.15 | RockerServer | mgn, it wont work with Iceweasel =\ |
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| 21:35.44 | antgel | !seen rickyclarkson |
| 21:35.44 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'rickyclarkson', antgel |
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| 21:37.03 | abrotman | !seen ricky_clarkson |
| 21:37.03 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson <n=ricky@unaffiliated/ricky> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 397d 22h 6m 13s ago, saying: 'xserver-xorg is only the server, not all the extra gunk that you'll want.'. |
| 21:37.05 | abrotman | antgel: ^^ |
| 21:37.18 | Ozux | antgel: I can't find any thing built in gnome, I can send (gnome-obex-send) or with wammu connect to phone, but I didnt find any thing to receive. I ask this to Google but can't say any thing to me. |
| 21:37.24 | hark | RockerServer: it does.. install the -plugin package |
| 21:37.31 | RockerServer | hark, ok |
| 21:37.34 | antgel | abrotman: very good. your irc photographic memory does the trick again |
| 21:38.06 | abrotman | antgel: way to make a guy feel ashamed :) |
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| 21:38.26 | antgel | abrotman: it's a compliment. i think ;) |
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| 21:39.16 | obnauticus | Can anyone here explain this http://pastebin.ca/645712 |
| 21:39.18 | obnauticus | Line 4, matched with line 16 |
| 21:39.21 | RockerServer | hm |
| 21:39.36 | RockerServer | how would i kill all occurences of Iceweasel? |
| 21:39.40 | abrotman | obnauticus: / is full |
| 21:39.41 | RockerServer | cuz...yea...it froze |
| 21:40.03 | obnauticus | abrotman im not wriyting to / |
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| 21:40.07 | hark | ,\ |
| 21:40.09 | abrotman | obnauticus: yes you are |
| 21:40.17 | obnauticus | abrotman how would i cleer that space up then lol. |
| 21:40.20 | antgel | `/root/openldap2.3-2.3.30/libraries/libldap_r' |
| 21:40.28 | abrotman | obnauticus: no idea .. not my machine |
| 21:40.33 | hark | RockerServer: killall firefox-bin |
| 21:40.40 | obnauticus | well what dir's are safe for del'in |
| 21:40.45 | RockerServer | hark, it closed itself lol |
| 21:40.54 | antgel | obnauticus: you don't need to download or build stuff as root for starters |
| 21:41.04 | abrotman | obnauticus: why not just use the packages in debian for ldap ? |
| 21:41.08 | antgel | in fact, you shouldn't |
| 21:41.19 | obnauticus | abrotman i need to put options in there that it can't do. |
| 21:41.25 | obnauticus | like with tls, and with bdm |
| 21:41.40 | obnauticus | plus i friggen hate binaries. |
| 21:41.48 | abrotman | you're making a binary |
| 21:41.52 | antgel | obnauticus: what an intelligent statement |
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| 21:41.55 | obnauticus | i got the source abrotman |
| 21:42.00 | abrotman | and i think you're using the wrong distro if you don't like packages |
| 21:42.09 | obnauticus | abrotman i use freebsd too |
| 21:42.13 | RockerServer | hark, i installed the plugin package..nothin |
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| 21:42.21 | abrotman | obnauticus: good for you ... |
| 21:42.34 | obnauticus | I'm building something i got from the source from the package manager. |
| 21:42.36 | obnauticus | Stop being a dick. |
| 21:42.59 | antgel | obnauticus: ^^ my comment re compiling as root |
| 21:43.01 | abrotman | obnauticus: you got your answer |
| 21:43.21 | antgel | if you'd done this as a normal user, you'd be in /home, with so much space you could swing a cat |
| 21:43.27 | obnauticus | k |
| 21:43.30 | abrotman | a big cat! |
| 21:43.36 | abrotman | lions and tigers and bears oh my |
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| 21:43.57 | antgel | abrotman: is this a broadway performance? |
| 21:44.10 | hark | RockerServer: check if it shows up in about:plugins |
| 21:44.11 | abrotman | antgel: are you wearing a costume :) |
| 21:44.34 | antgel | abrotman: of sorts. i call it "the weekend costume" |
| 21:44.40 | RockerServer | hark, it says "No plugins are installed" |
| 21:44.43 | abrotman | birthday suit eh ? |
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| 21:45.09 | antgel | nah and please leave your steamy fantasies to another channel |
| 21:45.56 | hark | RockerServer: is this debian's iceweasel package or you got it from mozilla? |
| 21:46.05 | RockerServer | hark, debian's |
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| 21:46.27 | obnauticus | and antgel im installing :/ |
| 21:46.37 | antgel | RockerServer: i thought you kept saying hark as some sort of medieval-speaking joke |
| 21:46.54 | RockerServer | antgel, erm? |
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| 21:47.15 | antgel | as in "hark, ye birds whistle melody, arr" |
| 21:47.18 | RockerServer | antgel == crazy :) |
| 21:47.26 | antgel | well, that's more pirate but you get it |
| 21:47.33 | RockerServer | lol yea |
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| 21:47.42 | antgel | i'm so normal it's frightening |
| 21:47.59 | RockerServer | antgel, about as normal as a flying elephant :) |
| 21:48.08 | RockerServer | but dont worry, crazy people are more fun :) |
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| 21:48.26 | antgel | RockerServer: if you are female, let's /msg! |
| 21:48.47 | RockerServer | antgel, do a /whois and think about what the hell you just said |
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| 21:49.37 | streuner_ | hm, "nonlogic" seems the right place where you belong to |
| 21:49.52 | RockerServer | antgel, /whois RockerServer <-- do that. |
| 21:49.59 | antgel | as abrotman earlier warned me, sarcasm doesn't work on the internet |
| 21:50.14 | RockerServer | lol |
| 21:50.25 | antgel | RockerServer: yes, so you're into robotics, big whoop :) |
| 21:50.41 | RockerServer | antgel, look at the name in the /whois haha |
| 21:50.44 | streuner_ | RockerServer: stop that |
| 21:50.54 | RockerServer | streuner_, what? |
| 21:51.00 | streuner_ | if you want play, play elsewhere |
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| 21:51.10 | RockerServer | streuner_, huh? |
| 21:51.29 | idiot | hello, how i setup my network details again? the same as installation |
| 21:51.45 | streuner_ | idiot: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 21:53.09 | idiot | thx |
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| 21:56.31 | EruditeHermit | hi, my windows key is set to Mod3 currently. How in xmodmap do I change it to be set to Super? I tried add Super = Super_L Super_R period Multi_key but that didn't work |
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| 21:57.27 | EruditeHermit | It used to read: add Mod3 = period Multi_key |
| 21:57.58 | idiot | anyone knows a dns updater for dynamic ips? |
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| 21:58.39 | streuner_ | idot: apt-cache search dyndns |
| 21:58.52 | streuner_ | idiot: ^^^ |
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| 21:59.26 | streuner_ | ddclient is prolly what most people use |
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| 22:01.30 | toostrong_2851 | http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?uid=2851 |
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| 22:02.49 | streuner_ | nah, he surely get k-lined... |
| 22:03.08 | abrotman | streuner_: they could still ban the nick |
| 22:03.20 | abrotman | he's changing hostmasks .. he can do that all day |
| 22:04.11 | Ronin | abrotman: need an ircoper |
| 22:04.25 | Ronin | anyone speak german? he may be breakng the rules of that lame ass game |
| 22:04.36 | abrotman | streuner_ does |
| 22:05.12 | mavhc | it's not a game, it's a way to identify losers |
| 22:05.18 | streuner_ | oh |
| 22:05.22 | Ronin | mavhc: that too |
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| 22:06.09 | petemc_ | im back |
| 22:06.23 | abrotman | wtf |
| 22:06.27 | abrotman | oh |
| 22:06.31 | abrotman | wait |
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| 22:07.06 | petemc | seemed to be an outage where my box is hosted |
| 22:07.19 | antgel | that was weird. /connect efnet booted me off all my freenode channels |
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| 22:07.44 | corran | has anyone else noticed a significant slowdown in aptitude in sid recently? |
| 22:07.49 | antgel | more likely my irssi-fu is poor. not like i spend much time on any other network these past few years |
| 22:08.03 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.13 | antgel | that's what i thought |
| 22:08.24 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.45 | antgel | then i tried to join #gamecube and it told me i was banned. i came back to my comfort zone pretty quickly |
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| 22:11.28 | idiot | anyone knows where i can find some nice PS1 ^^ |
| 22:11.34 | stoned | ps1? |
| 22:11.38 | stoned | ebay |
| 22:11.43 | stoned | 40-50$ |
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| 22:11.54 | stoned | local game exchange might have it cheaper |
| 22:12.06 | petemc | i think he means the shell prompt thing, no? |
| 22:12.09 | stoned | I got a ps2 for 99.99 |
| 22:12.10 | stoned | oh |
| 22:12.12 | stoned | hehe |
| 22:12.15 | stoned | try .dotfiles |
| 22:12.16 | antgel | the ps1 games were in the second-hand store next to the gamecube games, in the sort of "loser's corner" |
| 22:12.17 | stoned | google for it |
| 22:12.44 | antgel | as if those two deserve to be together |
| 22:12.51 | corran | idiot: why not just get a ps2? |
| 22:12.52 | antgel | PS1 was like a commodore 64 |
| 22:13.27 | corran | idiot: given the whole "reverse compatibility" thing |
| 22:13.28 | idiot | petemc: exactly |
| 22:13.29 | idiot | hehehe |
| 22:13.36 | stoned | im looking around for a 2-4gb gameboy advance flash rom |
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| 22:14.02 | stoned | with it you can turn your gameboy advance sp into a video player, mp3 player, ebooks, little desktop os too |
| 22:14.03 | petemc | idiot: googling for bash ps1 should give good results |
| 22:14.06 | stoned | :D |
| 22:14.08 | stoned | and not ot mention roms |
| 22:14.16 | stoned | great for travelling |
| 22:14.27 | stoned | it can also run code |
| 22:14.42 | stoned | i've read people running a special os made out of linux for it |
| 22:14.49 | stoned | its crazy man i never even knew all that |
| 22:14.53 | antgel | stoned: i bought a ds and sold it the week after. i have little time for games, and when i do, i realised i don't want them to be on a tiny screen. good unit technically though |
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| 22:15.03 | stoned | antgel: I bought it for pokemon |
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| 22:15.08 | stoned | but i'll sell all my game carts |
| 22:15.08 | petemc | psp screen is decent |
| 22:15.16 | stoned | psp i shoulda gotten |
| 22:15.18 | stoned | seriously |
| 22:15.24 | stoned | gameboy cost me 120 |
| 22:15.27 | stoned | psp was 150 |
| 22:15.36 | stoned | but psp didn't have mario allstar or pokemon |
| 22:15.37 | stoned | :D |
| 22:16.03 | antgel | yeah but who wants to play "tiger woods 2027" and "rubbish japanese souped-up family saloon 58"? |
| 22:16.20 | stoned | there are some good games on gameboy |
| 22:16.31 | stoned | a lot of mario games |
| 22:16.34 | stoned | pokemon games |
| 22:16.34 | antgel | what can i say, i'm a big nintendo fanboy, and this has been so for an embarassing number of years |
| 22:16.50 | stoned | what is embarrassing about it? |
| 22:16.54 | abrotman | got a crush on luigi eh ? |
| 22:17.13 | stoned | you shouldn't be embarrassed about what you like |
| 22:17.26 | antgel | stoned: it must be 15-20 years i reckon |
| 22:17.32 | stoned | so? |
| 22:17.35 | RockerServer | hey everyone |
| 22:17.37 | stoned | hy |
| 22:17.59 | antgel | i was pissed off that everyone ignored the cube |
| 22:18.16 | RockerServer | what's up, stoned? |
| 22:18.21 | stoned | me |
| 22:18.26 | stoned | well kinda |
| 22:18.28 | RockerServer | lol |
| 22:18.29 | antgel | "it's for kids", said those who /did/ actually notice it existed, due to incredibly poor marketing compared to sony and microsoft |
| 22:18.41 | stoned | im about to go to tha moon |
| 22:18.42 | stoned | man |
| 22:19.54 | antgel | did you roll up a /really/ fat one? |
| 22:20.02 | stoned | nah man |
| 22:20.07 | stoned | i just scored some high grade |
| 22:20.51 | stoned | hey i was about to say that |
| 22:20.53 | stoned | it was for kids |
| 22:21.01 | stoned | ps2 and xbox has a lot of adult games |
| 22:21.09 | stoned | not so much in gc though |
| 22:21.13 | stoned | plus the gc controller sucked |
| 22:21.19 | stoned | RockerServer: did you need some help |
| 22:21.26 | RockerServer | stoned, nah, got it figured out :) |
| 22:21.30 | stoned | hey antgel you wanna see a screnshot |
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| 22:21.40 | antgel | bollocks it is, cartoony != for kids |
| 22:21.46 | stoned | http://youfuck.mypets.ws/screenshots/desktop.jpg |
| 22:21.50 | stoned | don't laugh |
| 22:21.55 | stoned | i just did this cuz it was hilarious |
| 22:21.57 | stoned | i mean |
| 22:22.02 | stoned | don't bitch, just laugh |
| 22:22.17 | RockerServer | AHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 22:22.22 | RockerServer | AHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 22:22.25 | RockerServer | VISTA! |
| 22:22.44 | RockerServer | vista sucks |
| 22:22.47 | antgel | it's the best at what video games are meant to be for i.e. fantasy. imho of course |
| 22:22.48 | stoned | NOPE |
| 22:22.53 | RockerServer | stoned, it doesn't work right |
| 22:22.57 | stoned | NOT vista |
| 22:23.01 | antgel | and the controller is fucking versatile and feels good |
| 22:23.06 | RockerServer | stoned, hm? bs background? lol |
| 22:23.11 | stoned | lol yup |
| 22:23.15 | RockerServer | haha |
| 22:23.19 | stoned | I like the ps2 controller the best |
| 22:23.20 | RockerServer | stoned, i wondered why it looked funny >.> |
| 22:23.24 | stoned | it is the best design ever |
| 22:23.27 | stoned | very very well thought out |
| 22:23.34 | Hoxzer | ... btw VISTA sounds like vihta ... which a "tool" that finnish people use to beat each other when they are in the saune |
| 22:23.34 | stoned | all other controllers suck ass |
| 22:23.38 | Hoxzer | *sauna |
| 22:23.46 | stoned | lol |
| 22:23.48 | Hoxzer | :D |
| 22:23.48 | antgel | stoned: your wallpaper sucks ass |
| 22:23.54 | stoned | exactly antgel |
| 22:23.58 | stoned | thats the point |
| 22:24.16 | Hoxzer | it is made out of branches of birch |
| 22:24.31 | stoned | oh shit |
| 22:24.34 | stoned | I dropped my pipe |
| 22:24.43 | stoned | oh its safe, thank god |
| 22:24.46 | RockerServer | hah |
| 22:24.59 | stoned | Thank god that I am an atheist |
| 22:25.00 | antgel | did the crack fall out? |
| 22:25.58 | stoned | I will never forget it |
| 22:26.00 | antgel | i can't look at ign.com any more, makes me feel ill |
| 22:26.07 | stoned | my 8th grade science teacher put that up on the board |
| 22:26.14 | stoned | she was pretty young too, and good looking |
| 22:26.43 | stoned | it was homeroom, first period science, i walk in, and right on the board it says, "Thank God, I'm an aheist" |
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| 22:27.17 | stoned | I'm like what the fuck is going on |
| 22:27.36 | mavhc | the atheists reject all books, including the dictionary |
| 22:27.57 | RockerServer | ...they'd let an atheist be a teacher? |
| 22:28.13 | petemc | thats a hot potato |
| 22:28.18 | Coweater | they disqualify for occupations based on religion? |
| 22:28.24 | mavhc | RockerServer: only in a developed country |
| 22:28.30 | ricky | ^illegal in the US, at least. |
| 22:28.30 | stoned | nope |
| 22:28.54 | stoned | it is against the law to not employ based on race,color,sexual orientation,religion |
| 22:29.03 | stoned | disability |
| 22:29.17 | RockerServer | i meant more along the lines of...... they'd let someone who wont/cant use books teach something that involves books? |
| 22:29.27 | mavhc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.45 | petemc | RockerServer: its not true that atheists reject books |
| 22:29.49 | stoned | I believe |
| 22:29.50 | Coweater | where do you get this stuff? |
| 22:29.58 | antgel | at the end of the pipe |
| 22:29.59 | stoned | I believe I can get high if I put my mind to it |
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| 22:30.21 | mavhc | I believe the children are the future, and we're therefore fucked |
| 22:30.29 | abrotman | wrong channel |
| 22:30.30 | RockerServer | petemc, so....then mavhc is crazier than antgel? =p |
| 22:30.36 | petemc | it would appear so |
| 22:30.41 | stoned | I believe I can fly, on acid. |
| 22:30.51 | stoned | I believe I can be a modem. |
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| 22:30.56 | mavhc | RockerServer: twas a joke based on stoned's mistyping |
| 22:31.14 | RockerServer | DOES ANYONE IN THIS CHANNEL EVER MAKE SENSE?! lol |
| 22:31.16 | RockerServer | i'm done =] |
| 22:31.24 | stoned | !lart RockerServer |
| 22:31.35 | stoned | eh, take that |
| 22:31.40 | antgel | he got hurd'ed! |
| 22:32.07 | stoned | my first time |
| 22:32.11 | stoned | I can still recall |
| 22:32.14 | stoned | it was so good |
| 22:32.25 | stoned | it felt great man |
| 22:32.27 | stoned | 2400 baud modem |
| 22:32.35 | stoned | university dialup |
| 22:32.44 | RockerServer | stoned, i have five 56k's right here.... :) |
| 22:33.03 | stoned | it was my first personal computer ever |
| 22:33.07 | stoned | I still have it, in working order |
| 22:33.19 | RockerServer | woooo |
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| 22:33.37 | antgel | mine was a 9600 i think, i definitely remember a 14.4 and a 28.8 in the hizouse |
| 22:33.50 | stoned | compuadd laptop 1992 model, 4mb ram, 80 mb hdd, 25.33mhz cpu 386 sx, windows 3.11 |
| 22:34.03 | antgel | stoned: put debian on it |
| 22:34.07 | stoned | can't |
| 22:34.16 | RockerServer | stoned, why not? |
| 22:34.23 | mavhc | dialup? dialup!? kids nowadays have it so easy, when I were 't lad if we wanted t' get on t' int'net we had to catch 68 pigeons |
| 22:34.33 | stoned | I've already got linux on it |
| 22:34.38 | stoned | not debian though |
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| 22:34.53 | stoned | a very small linux, kinda customized for this laptop |
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| 22:35.19 | antgel | stoned: does it run kde? |
| 22:35.26 | stoned | no... |
| 22:35.37 | RockerServer | stoned, does it have x? |
| 22:35.40 | stoned | no |
| 22:35.46 | RockerServer | what does it have? |
| 22:35.51 | RockerServer | 1 terminal? =p |
| 22:35.55 | mavhc | skip to the end... my first computer had 0 k of ram and no output, it was just a cardboard box |
| 22:35.55 | stoned | no |
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| 22:36.16 | stoned | well my actual first one was a ibm tandy |
| 22:36.17 | xingu | cardboard? luxury. |
| 22:36.29 | antgel | my first computer was a sinclair zx spectrum. 48k, rubber keys, the absolute dog's bollocks |
| 22:36.29 | stoned | yellow monochrome monitor |
| 22:36.40 | petemc | i had a zx81 |
| 22:36.45 | petemc | still have, as it happens |
| 22:37.00 | stoned | man I look at that old stuff |
| 22:37.04 | antgel | petemc: they go for good money on ebay, and don't get me started on zx80s |
| 22:37.05 | mavhc | bbc b, 32k ram, real keys |
| 22:37.05 | RockerServer | mine was... this emachines that is really kickass :) |
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| 22:37.11 | stoned | and now the new stuff with like 4 cores etc. |
| 22:37.16 | petemc | didnt have a tape recorder tho, so i had to type out a few hunded lines of basic before i could play a game |
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| 22:37.20 | stoned | technology has come real far |
| 22:37.28 | stoned | and I wonder where it could be by the end of our lives |
| 22:37.32 | antgel | mavhc: i still have 3 bbcs in varying states of workingness |
| 22:37.46 | stoned | it makes me sad kinda, I wanted to live long enough to see some really cool stuff |
| 22:37.52 | mavhc | me too, including one that used to be on Acorn's own ethernet |
| 22:37.54 | stoned | like teleportation |
| 22:37.59 | antgel | and an amiga, archimedes, lots of old "retro" crap |
| 22:38.05 | stoned | quantum pcs |
| 22:38.20 | antgel | i sold my pristine spectrum and c64 last year, i just couldn't justify the room |
| 22:38.27 | RockerServer | stoned, i can send you a picture of my computer with it's amazing 3.06GHz Pentium 4 :) |
| 22:38.28 | mavhc | debian runs on the archimedes's sucessor, but risc os is better |
| 22:38.45 | antgel | but there were never better designed boxes than those two 8-bit wonders |
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| 22:38.50 | stoned | RockerServer: I have a pretty fast machine |
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| 22:38.56 | RockerServer | stoned, specs? :) |
| 22:38.57 | stoned | i think |
| 22:39.00 | antgel | you could kill somebody by whacking them round the head with a C64 |
| 22:39.07 | stoned | 3.5ghz cpu |
| 22:39.10 | stoned | 1gb ram |
| 22:39.12 | mavhc | boot time: 1 second |
| 22:39.13 | antgel | BORING |
| 22:39.17 | petemc | antgel: http://www.yerma.org/~pete/temp/alpha.mp4 |
| 22:39.17 | RockerServer | antgel, C64's kickass |
| 22:39.26 | RockerServer | :D |
| 22:39.40 | RockerServer | stoned, damn, you beat me lol |
| 22:39.47 | antgel | no C64s kickass :P |
| 22:39.59 | RockerServer | ... |
| 22:40.03 | xingu | only commode could ship a computer that had a faster general purpose processor in the disk drive |
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| 22:40.24 | antgel | i was sad to sell them, really, unnaturally so |
| 22:40.27 | RockerServer | stoned, Computer 1: 3.06GHz CPU, 512MB RAM |
| 22:40.39 | mavhc | bbc was dual cpu, add an ARM7 to it: http://www.sprow.co.uk/bbc/projects.htm#Copro |
| 22:40.44 | RockerServer | stoned, Computer 2 [this one]: 786MHz, 128MB RAM |
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| 22:41.04 | RockerServer | stoned, Computer 3: unknown CPU, unknown RAM =p but it's not alot... it's 12 years old |
| 22:41.05 | antgel | but every now and then i'd fire up chequered flag, and instead of being in retro heaven, i was like, how could i ever have enjoyed this shit :D |
| 22:41.13 | stoned | RockerServer: E6300 C2D @ 3500MHz, 2GB Corsair PC-6400 DDR2, X1900XTX ATI, GA 965P S3, 8 fans, Arctic Freezer 7 Pro, tons of neon green/purple/orange/blue/red led lights. |
| 22:41.17 | stoned | I like bright colors |
| 22:41.24 | phenom | Do you all actually notice a difference between say a 2.8 ghz and a 3.5? My 2.8ghz with Hyper threading tech is a beast. |
| 22:41.27 | RockerServer | stoned, duuuuuuuude |
| 22:41.45 | RockerServer | stoned, awesome :) |
| 22:41.49 | stoned | word man |
| 22:41.54 | esters | stoned, it's a server ? :/ |
| 22:41.58 | stoned | no man |
| 22:42.00 | stoned | just my desktop |
| 22:42.16 | mavhc | what do you use it for? -- "games and stuff" |
| 22:42.20 | stoned | not really |
| 22:42.20 | esters | p0rn |
| 22:42.22 | stoned | just one game |
| 22:42.26 | stoned | oblivion |
| 22:42.31 | esters | ah |
| 22:42.39 | esters | mine game is Debian :)) |
| 22:42.50 | stoned | check out my desktop |
| 22:42.52 | antgel | petemc: i'm impressed and jealous |
| 22:42.54 | zinx | that computer would suck in debian as a gaming machine |
| 22:42.54 | mavhc | there's not many new games that take advantage of more cpu power |
| 22:42.58 | zinx | due to the ATI card :P |
| 22:43.05 | stoned | http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/screenshots/desktop.jpg |
| 22:43.14 | stoned | zinx: not really |
| 22:43.15 | mavhc | it's just the same 3d maze game from 1970 with better graphics |
| 22:43.22 | stoned | zinx: I do gaming in debian and its fine |
| 22:43.33 | stoned | zinx: the only thing is, I can't do that beryl crap without xgl |
| 22:43.37 | stoned | xgl is a slow piece of shit |
| 22:43.45 | petemc | antgel: take up an awful space tho |
| 22:43.46 | zinx | stoned: fine as in it runs, sure... but it's like half the speed of the windows opengl stuff, which is slower than the windows DX stuff :/ |
| 22:43.50 | esters | xfce4 compositor :) |
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| 22:44.10 | antgel | petemc: this is it, and i just can't justify it any more |
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| 22:44.36 | stoned | zinx: I know, but the reason I bought this card was for oblivoin. It beat any geforce 7 series card, and for oblivion it had consistenly higher frame rates |
| 22:44.47 | esters | http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs318&d=07310&f=image.png |
| 22:44.48 | zinx | heh |
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| 22:44.50 | esters | :) |
| 22:44.55 | RockerServer | stoned, psh, i just go with what works =p |
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| 22:44.57 | xingu | the apple iigs was an interesting piece of kit |
| 22:45.00 | stoned | I am keepign this card until 8800gtx comes down to about 200$ |
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| 22:45.07 | RockerServer | stoned, aka... i have NO idea what any of my graphics cards are =p |
| 22:45.31 | stoned | and this is my first ati card |
| 22:45.34 | stoned | and you have no idea man |
| 22:45.40 | stoned | I almost went bald cuz of this card |
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| 22:45.45 | stoned | (pulling my hair out) |
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| 22:46.03 | RockerServer | stoned, nah, you went bald cuz of radioactivity =p |
| 22:46.13 | stoned | I'm radioactive man |
| 22:46.17 | stoned | already |
| 22:46.21 | RockerServer | haha |
| 22:47.15 | esters | i'm sure u guys have girlfriends :P |
| 22:47.21 | stoned | RockerServer: http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/screenshots/kde.jpg |
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| 22:48.08 | RockerServer | stoned, i care why? :) |
| 22:48.40 | stoned | just showing you my dual monitor |
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| 22:48.47 | RockerServer | mk |
| 22:48.49 | stoned | you don't have to be a dick about it |
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| 22:48.59 | RockerServer | stoned, i wasn't... jsut asking why i should care :) |
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| 22:50.11 | stoned | and... |
| 22:50.22 | RockerServer | and...? |
| 22:50.24 | RockerServer | =] |
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| 22:50.42 | stoned | why would you even ask that? |
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| 22:50.48 | stoned | unless you were being a dick |
| 22:50.48 | RockerServer | stoned, dunno |
| 22:51.01 | RockerServer | stoned, dude...it was a JOKE |
| 22:51.06 | RockerServer | jeeze |
| 22:52.08 | stoned | its ok |
| 22:52.21 | stoned | I'm hungry now |
| 22:52.32 | stoned | I should get some chinese food delivered to me |
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| 22:52.49 | xingu | stoned: you're the kind of guy that might know this - in beryl, what in the name of all that is holy does "rendering platform" actually change? google is swamped with hits for folk recommending aiglx to work around black window bugs on low memory nvidia hardware but short on clue about what the setting actually does. |
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| 22:53.04 | stoned | xingu: no clue man |
| 22:53.07 | stoned | I don't use that beryl shit |
| 22:53.13 | xingu | fair cop |
| 22:53.20 | stoned | I've in the past, and it is good too, but its not for me |
| 22:53.28 | WrecknRoll | I have two ethernet cards on the motherboard, and they both work, one is eth0 one is eth1 . . . I also have two internet sources. What can I look into to lock services to one eth jack or another ? |
| 22:53.32 | Dunedan | I've some trouble with postgrey. So far it works well but only with delay=300. When I add --delay=60 to the POSTGREY_OPTS in /etc/default/postgrey and restart postgrey after that, the delay will stay at 300. Is there some known trouble in etch? |
| 22:53.58 | xingu | stoned: just your comment about xgl being slow, figured you might have nosed into that sort of thing; I take it based on observed results here that aiglx is supported but suboptimal on nvidia setups? |
| 22:54.00 | WrecknRoll | The issue is they both don't work at once, so that's what I woud like |
| 22:54.16 | zinx | xingu: aiglx is preferred |
| 22:54.33 | zinx | xingu: if you're going to pollute your desktop with an unusable window manager that has bling, anyway |
| 22:54.40 | cafuego | Dunedan: Toi the best of my knowledge -d300 is set explicitly elsewhere in that file |
| 22:54.54 | cafuego | Dunedan: If not in the actual init script |
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| 22:55.21 | xingu | zinx: preferred but *why* please is what I'm chasing; I don't mind voodoo really, but I'd like to know what it means vs say the "nvidia" choice |
| 22:55.29 | stoned | xingu: well i tried it and it sucked, so i discarded it instead of messing with it |
| 22:55.33 | stoned | wasn't worth it |
| 22:55.54 | zinx | xingu: because Xgl is a a whole separate X server, which is a much more complicated setup |
| 22:56.03 | xingu | zinx: *nod* right - and nvidia? |
| 22:56.04 | stoned | aiglx is indirect rendering isn't it? |
| 22:56.12 | stoned | !aiglx |
| 22:56.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, aiglx is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. Fucks up responsiveness badly with proprietary nvidia drivers ( Under load ). Don't use it if you want to get work done. ... |
| 22:56.19 | xingu | stoned: I dunno, but I get tearing using it. |
| 22:56.19 | zinx | xingu: for anything that supports aiglx, aiglx is preferred. nVidia supports it. |
| 22:56.54 | Dunedan | cafuego: It isn't set in the file elsewhere and also not in the /etc/init.d/postgrey. So I don't know how to search the reason for that problem ... |
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| 22:57.08 | xingu | zinx: ok, any clues about why I get mild tearing under heavy stress with aiglx but not with nvidia setting? |
| 22:57.27 | zinx | xingu: presumably because one enables sync to vblank |
| 22:58.03 | xingu | zinx: that'd fit, I've used the __gl_sync_to_vblank setting; I take it that aiglx is a whole new kettle of fish with respect to that? |
| 22:58.18 | xingu | s/setting/env var/ |
| 22:58.42 | zinx | xingu: same kettle, same fish, more noticable because of all the bling. |
| 22:59.37 | xingu | zinx: ok now you're losing me - more bling inferred purely from picking aiglx vs nvidia rendering platform? |
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| 22:59.46 | zinx | xingu: no |
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| 23:00.42 | zinx | xingu: more bling because now you have translucent shadowed windows moving across the screen instead of their outline or plain old opaque moving, which can both be done much faster |
| 23:00.58 | xingu | zinx: nvidia platform, __gl_sync_to_vblank - cube spinning tear-free; aiglx platform - tear about 1/3rd down at 1600x1050 when giving it a good boot |
| 23:01.13 | xingu | zinx: everything else held constant... |
| 23:01.16 | zinx | xingu: right, because of the sync to vblank |
| 23:01.24 | zinx | xingu: sync to vblank is what prevents tearing. |
| 23:01.47 | zinx | xingu: you never noticed it without all the bling (i.e., pre-beryl) because it draws much faster without it |
| 23:02.01 | zinx | xingu: but that was an issue even before things like beryl. |
| 23:02.38 | xingu | zinx: actually I never noticed it because beryl was about the first thing I lit up on this new hardware; the predecessor was a gutless wonder, comparitively. :) |
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| 23:03.00 | zinx | xingu: new/old hardware doesn't matter |
| 23:03.16 | zinx | xingu: tearing has been an issue since the first computers, even in text mode :) |
| 23:03.27 | zinx | it just doesn't always matter |
| 23:03.31 | xingu | zinx: neomagic 256zx powered by a piii/750 - you wouldn't try and run beryl on that, believe me |
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| 23:04.07 | xingu | zinx: and yeah; I grok why tearing occurs, I've been doing this a while ;) |
| 23:04.09 | zinx | xingu: tearing happens without beryl. whether it's noticable depends on how fast/what is being drawn |
| 23:04.31 | xingu | zinx: but I'm specifically asking about this aiglx v "nvidia" rendering platform thing because *that* is opaque to me. |
| 23:04.49 | RockerServer | anyone have any ideas on how i can get a computer w/ no ethernet card online? all i really got to work with: dialup modems, phone cords, usb cords |
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| 23:05.35 | abrotman | tcp over firewire! |
| 23:05.39 | stoned | well |
| 23:05.48 | zinx | xingu: that is due to sync to vblank. |
| 23:05.52 | stoned | there are ethernet to usb adapters |
| 23:05.54 | RockerServer | abrotman, i just said, i had no ethernet card.... firewire=ethernet |
| 23:05.58 | RockerServer | FUCK.... |
| 23:05.58 | stoned | you have usb on your motherboard? |
| 23:06.01 | RockerServer | stoned, ...no USB |
| 23:06.01 | RockerServer | -.- |
| 23:06.05 | stoned | hmm |
| 23:06.06 | RockerServer | just realized that |
| 23:06.09 | abrotman | RockerServer: uhm .. firewire==ethernet ? |
| 23:06.13 | abrotman | you sure about that ? |
| 23:06.16 | mavhc | firewire over tcp would be more useful |
| 23:06.23 | zinx | xingu: one syncs (and thus prevents tearing), the other doesn't. |
| 23:07.10 | simonrvn | firewire over carrier pigeon would |
| 23:07.22 | xingu | zinx: yep, I understand that; the bit that I don't understand is what the difference between the two rendering platforms is and why one would be preferred over the other. |
| 23:07.24 | abrotman | simonrvn: grilled pigeon ? |
| 23:07.37 | simonrvn | barbeque, yeh |
| 23:07.54 | simonrvn | though they're too small gotta eat like 3 to have a meal :/ |
| 23:07.58 | RockerServer | abrotman, my bad... firewire=usb lol |
| 23:07.58 | zinx | xingu: probably some retarded beryl-specific terminology. |
| 23:08.12 | RockerServer | abrotman, nevermind... looked like it at first, my bad |
| 23:08.19 | xingu | zinx: tbh it also looks highly likely that the (old) beryl code's sync-to-vblank is just busted for nvidia using aiglx - not sure the toggle actually achieves the desired result |
| 23:08.28 | abrotman | RockerServer: firewire isn't usb either |
| 23:08.53 | RockerServer | abrotman, read the last message |
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| 23:09.14 | stoned | hey |
| 23:09.28 | xingu | zinx: separate and probably related thread; is there any suspicion that aiglx would wind up doing more work on the host cpu than using gl ? |
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| 23:09.34 | RockerServer | hey stoned |
| 23:09.49 | abrotman | it's pipeline! |
| 23:09.58 | stoned | whats goin' o |
| 23:10.00 | stoned | n |
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| 23:10.51 | Hoxzer | ok |
| 23:10.57 | RockerServer | stoned, still tryin to figure out how to get that computer online =\ |
| 23:11.18 | stoned | dialup |
| 23:11.33 | abrotman | RockerServer: buy a PCI NIC |
| 23:11.36 | stoned | or buy a 10$ pci ethernet card |
| 23:11.45 | abrotman | maybe you can trade three modems for a NIC |
| 23:11.51 | RockerServer | ...the whole reason i even bothered asking is cuz i'm broke lol |
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| 23:13.39 | WrecknRoll | hmm |
| 23:13.59 | WrecknRoll | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.02 | RockerServer | ? |
| 23:14.14 | WrecknRoll | I have two ethernet cards on the motherboard |
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| 23:14.19 | WrecknRoll | both work, eth0 and eth1, but not at once |
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| 23:14.33 | RockerServer | WrecknRoll, i want an ethernet card for this computer =p |
| 23:14.38 | WrecknRoll | how can I attach certain services to a certain card ? Or 'share' the bandwidth ? |
| 23:14.41 | WrecknRoll | heh |
| 23:14.47 | WrecknRoll | cut my motherboard in half, that'll do it |
| 23:14.50 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 23:14.50 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 23:14.56 | PieRRoMaN | Hi, I'd like to know how to set charset to utf-8 on the console |
| 23:15.03 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 23:15.16 | stoned | RockerServer: if you go panhandle for an hour or two you could probably come up with enough money for one |
| 23:15.27 | RockerServer | stoned, panhandle? |
| 23:15.39 | stoned | beg |
| 23:16.00 | stoned | go sit outside a convenient store and ask the people comig out if they have spare change |
| 23:16.10 | stoned | in a few hours you'll have enough money to buy a network card |
| 23:16.13 | RockerServer | fuck that i'll just bug Josiah and see if his dad has any spare ethernet cards :) |
| 23:16.27 | RockerServer | so what if he just gave me 2 computers and a bass guitar >.> |
| 23:16.45 | stoned | RockerServer: maybe you could go to someone and say hey i'll mow your lawn for 20$ |
| 23:16.51 | stoned | go cut grass |
| 23:16.58 | stoned | thats how I used to make money when sicne I was 12 |
| 23:17.07 | stoned | every weekened i'd mow a few yards |
| 23:17.14 | stoned | have a couple of hundred dollars |
| 23:17.18 | stoned | in a month |
| 23:17.36 | stoned | some people paid 20, some 30, some 40 |
| 23:17.47 | stoned | there are lot of ways to make money, if you want to that is |
| 23:17.53 | stoned | or you can sit online and gripe about being poor |
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| 23:18.19 | waltz | Volume group "newvolume" not found |
| 23:18.29 | waltz | anyone else have any trouble with lvm? |
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| 23:18.50 | sdfe | what program is used to make the .config file located in /lib/modules/kernversion/build/.config |
| 23:19.19 | EmleyMoor | sdfe: make config or make menuconfig, usually |
| 23:19.21 | stoned | and how can you afford to pay for internet if you cant even buy a network card |
| 23:19.54 | RockerServer | back |
| 23:20.07 | waltz | anyone, please... |
| 23:20.09 | sdfe | EmleyMoor: that go for to build anything from source? drivers/apps, etf? |
| 23:20.11 | sdfe | etc* |
| 23:20.43 | EmleyMoor | sdfe: In other cases, the app's configure script usually does it |
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| 23:21.28 | sdfe | hmm |
| 23:21.42 | JeffH | how do I see what installed packages depend on a particular package? |
| 23:21.42 | sdfe | specifically madwifi's sources from svn don't have any ./configure program. |
| 23:22.02 | EmleyMoor | Ask someone who knows them |
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| 23:22.43 | stoned | 07:20 >>>> someone (n=someone@ip72-222-190-142.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 23:22.51 | stoned | someone is online |
| 23:22.55 | stoned | ask em |
| 23:23.23 | EmleyMoor | Oh yeah - and nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition |
| 23:23.25 | RockerServer | stoned, actually no they aren't online haha |
| 23:23.38 | waltz | Volume group "newvolume" not found |
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| 23:23.41 | waltz | anyone else have any trouble with lvm? |
| 23:23.53 | sdfe | EmleyMoor: i get a error when i do a make configure |
| 23:24.22 | sdfe | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.27 | EmleyMoor | sdfe: Have you read any README or other file that might qualify as a manual? |
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| 23:24.43 | sdfe | this bullshit works flawlessly on ubuntu, dunno why debian is being such a bitch. |
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| 23:24.59 | sdfe | the paths or variables set different with the headers or something? |
| 23:25.06 | zinx | sdfe: why don't you use module-assistant? |
| 23:25.17 | sdfe | that's failed as well. same problem, |
| 23:25.18 | waltz | why is everyone ignoring me? |
| 23:25.31 | zinx | sdfe: what did you type? |
| 23:25.40 | waltz | i've been stuck on this problem since yesterday and haven't gotten the slightest bit of help |
| 23:25.46 | sdfe | m-a |
| 23:25.51 | sdfe | then followed the prompts |
| 23:25.53 | zinx | sdfe: just that? o_O |
| 23:26.02 | sdfe | yeah? interactive mode? |
| 23:26.09 | zinx | sdfe: try m-a a-i madwifi |
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| 23:26.40 | sdfe | k, it did some apt stuff |
| 23:26.49 | robboplus | is it possible to find files by date with find? |
| 23:26.52 | zinx | yes, it installed the appropriate kernel header package |
| 23:26.55 | sdfe | says it failed |
| 23:27.03 | robboplus | i need only certain period of time |
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| 23:27.12 | zinx | there are a lot of ways it can fail :x |
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| 23:27.38 | sdfe | hmm, why do i need the madwifi sources again? i'm already trying to build them from souce? |
| 23:27.48 | sdfe | make install? but make errors |
| 23:28.05 | zinx | what errors did m-a report? |
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| 23:28.21 | sdfe | says it couldn't find madwifi-source |
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| 23:28.33 | zinx | are you mixing repositories? |
| 23:28.37 | sdfe | nope |
| 23:28.43 | sdfe | haven't touched souces.list |
| 23:28.45 | sdfe | all default |
| 23:29.10 | zinx | you need non-free |
| 23:29.21 | zinx | that's where madwifi-source is |
| 23:29.26 | zinx | and you need it because it's debianized |
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| 23:29.40 | zinx | it's a lot better to use debianized stuff when you can on debian |
| 23:29.44 | sdfe | reallH? |
| 23:29.44 | Guerin | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=176 # muhahaha |
| 23:29.50 | abrotman | he's been told .. he said he didn't want to |
| 23:29.54 | sdfe | i can't use liek sources from svn'ing from madwifi's website? |
| 23:30.04 | zinx | you can, but we can't help you with that. |
| 23:30.10 | sdfe | well wtf? |
| 23:30.11 | zinx | and if your system breaks, we can't help you fix it. |
| 23:30.18 | sdfe | another reason to use freebsd... |
| 23:30.33 | zinx | or a reason to use debianized packages, whichever way you look at it.. |
| 23:30.42 | abrotman | Guerin: nice |
| 23:30.47 | sdfe | sounds like the start of being propeitary |
| 23:30.57 | Guerin | sdfe: well, madwifi ficking IS |
| 23:30.58 | abrotman | why won't you use the debian ones ? |
| 23:31.18 | abrotman | sdfe: do you ahve a reason to not use the madwifi-source package? or you're just being stubborn ? |
| 23:31.19 | sdfe | where's a list of sources to use? |
| 23:31.50 | sdfe | never had this problem until using debian, lol, that's MY point. |
| 23:32.14 | abrotman | so isntead of trying to abuse your system .. try using the debian method |
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| 23:32.22 | sdfe | where's a list of sources to use? |
| 23:32.27 | sdfe | the non-free ones |
| 23:32.32 | zinx | /etc/apt/sources.list, there's also a gui to edit it |
| 23:32.35 | Guerin | sdfe: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 23:32.36 | zinx | just add non-free after main |
| 23:32.44 | sdfe | thx zinx |
| 23:32.54 | sdfe | as everyone can see, he pointed out the easiest method |
| 23:33.20 | sdfe | a gui for sources.list? i use vi? |
| 23:33.24 | sdfe | is that a gui? |
| 23:33.28 | zinx | no :) |
| 23:33.47 | abrotman | as everyone can see .. we told you to do this HOURS ago |
| 23:33.58 | sdfe | i was at work. |
| 23:34.01 | sdfe | couldn't do it. |
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| 23:34.15 | Guerin | abrotman: hey ... it's peoples' god-given right to be wrong and stupid |
| 23:34.24 | sdfe | when you said madiwif sources, i littlerly though the sources from madwifi's website. |
| 23:34.36 | abrotman | sdfe: i told you multiple times |
| 23:34.38 | abrotman | !madwifi install |
| 23:34.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, madwifi-install is ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 23:34.42 | abrotman | and you told me you don't like packages |
| 23:34.56 | abrotman | erm .. binaries |
| 23:35.04 | sdfe | bah |
| 23:35.11 | sdfe | openbsd and freebsd much simpler |
| 23:35.14 | Guerin | because ur 2 1337 4 tehm lolz |
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| 23:35.21 | Guerin | so go and fucking use them |
| 23:35.26 | abrotman | right ... m-a a-i madwifi is hard |
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| 23:36.03 | sdfe | i dunno, installing sources from for a driver that's been modified to work with a certian system. |
| 23:36.10 | sdfe | sounds unstandard like. |
| 23:36.23 | Guerin | do you even know how linux works? |
| 23:36.28 | Guerin | the kernel, I mean |
| 23:36.31 | abrotman | then if you don't want to use the debian way .. try #madwifi |
| 23:36.37 | sdfe | yeah, i use google. |
| 23:36.46 | abrotman | gotten you so far .... |
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| 23:37.04 | Guerin | you NEED to build the fucking module per-kernel - and the only difference with the debian package is a bunch of scripts which do all the work for you and make it easy to back out |
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| 23:37.14 | abrotman | try the m-a method .. if that doesn't work .. then ask us questions |
| 23:37.24 | Guerin | it takes about 90 seconds to figure out, and then you never have to worry about it again (until next kernel) |
| 23:37.25 | sdfe | i just did, it said it failed again. |
| 23:37.31 | abrotman | show us the output |
| 23:37.42 | Guerin | sdfe: but don't paste in here |
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| 23:38.21 | sdfe | there a switch to make it more verbose? |
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| 23:38.52 | abrotman | just show us the error |
| 23:39.12 | sdfe | ahh, where's the pastebin link? |
| 23:39.16 | Guerin | topic |
| 23:39.18 | abrotman | !paste |
| 23:39.18 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 23:39.41 | Deepa | paste if it's less then 3 lines |
| 23:39.52 | abrotman | don't say that! |
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| 23:41.35 | sdfe | adding non free didn't help. |
| 23:41.44 | Guerin | just post the fucking output |
| 23:41.47 | Guerin | really |
| 23:41.54 | Guerin | why are you trying to piss us off? |
| 23:42.02 | sdfe | i'm not, it's the beer |
| 23:42.06 | abrotman | because he's a l337 BSDer :) |
| 23:42.18 | zinx | it's non-free, and you have to run apt-get or aptitude update to get the package list |
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| 23:42.31 | sdfe | LOL |
| 23:42.33 | sdfe | forgot the - |
| 23:43.00 | sdfe | they do. |
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| 23:44.04 | abrotman | where's that paste |
| 23:44.14 | sdfe | another reason i like to build madwifi from source is so i can patch them... |
| 23:44.31 | Guerin | sdfe: nothing prevents you from doing so in debian |
| 23:44.36 | sdfe | nope |
| 23:44.47 | Guerin | even using m-a |
| 23:44.47 | sdfe | gotta install the madifi debian approved sources |
| 23:44.53 | abrotman | how about you get it working before you start mucking with it |
| 23:45.01 | Guerin | then you can patch 'em as you fucking like |
| 23:45.02 | sdfe | i've gotten it working before. |
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| 23:45.59 | sdfe | i'll paste when it's done. |
| 23:46.06 | sdfe | still at 0% for building |
| 23:47.02 | sdfe | 2% |
| 23:47.30 | DawnLight | i've tought dpkg about some important stuff so we can use it |
| 23:47.42 | DawnLight | !dodging |
| 23:47.42 | dpkg | i heard dodging is not taking people's sarcasm/bad-humour too seriously, even when they're over-doing it and being a little violent. left-brain computer people can, at times of weakness, get very cold. cheers! |
| 23:48.11 | DawnLight | !ahimsa |
| 23:48.12 | dpkg | it has been said that ahimsa is non-violence. recommended! |
| 23:48.21 | abrotman | wtf |
| 23:48.49 | abrotman | !useless factoids |
| 23:48.49 | dpkg | Making useless factoids is useless. |
| 23:48.51 | abrotman | doh |
| 23:48.52 | abrotman | !useless factoid |
| 23:48.53 | dpkg | it has been said that useless factoid is Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a Ubuntu user, or any factoid concerning factoids |
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| 23:49.07 | sdfe | 5% |
| 23:49.26 | sdfe | might be a while for that pastebin |
| 23:49.39 | DawnLight | you really find no use for this? |
| 23:49.40 | abrotman | if it builds correctly .. who cares :) |
| 23:50.44 | sdfe | it needs to be built with high performance coding. |
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| 23:53.31 | sdfe | problem! |
| 23:53.32 | sdfe | http://rafb.net/p/Y1RtML69.html |
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| 23:54.00 | abrotman | !info madwifi-tools etch |
| 23:54.01 | dpkg | madwifi-tools: (tools for the Multiband Atheros Driver for WiFi), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 1:0.9.2+dfsg-1 (etch), Packaged size: 37 kB, Installed size: 192 kB |
| 23:54.12 | abrotman | !tell sdfe about contrib |
| 23:54.38 | xingu | aha. |
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| 23:54.50 | sdfe | wtf? all this work and still nothing? |
| 23:54.57 | abrotman | sdfe: just freaking do it |
| 23:55.05 | abrotman | you whine a lot :) |
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| 23:55.13 | sdfe | i have alot of cheese. |
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| 23:55.21 | xingu | aiglx uses a driver independant glx_texture_from_pixmap; so in the beryl sense, this is going to be a net loss |
| 23:56.05 | Guerin | !alot |
| 23:56.05 | dpkg | Yeah, I'd like to allot a lot of time for the slow killing of dumb motherfuckers who think alot is a word. |
| 23:56.19 | abrotman | DawnLight: see .. that's useful :) |
| 23:56.26 | sdfe | alot |
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| 23:57.08 | sdfe | i like your moms boobs alot. |
| 23:57.21 | antgel | mom's |
| 23:57.28 | sdfe | Mom's |
| 23:57.29 | Guerin | !penixstrike sdfe |
| 23:57.29 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking sdfe to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 23:57.33 | antgel | actually, mum's |
| 23:57.38 | sdfe | mama's |
| 23:58.21 | abrotman | sdfe: is it working or not ? |
| 23:59.03 | sdfe | module loads... |
| 23:59.14 | sdfe | modprobe ath_hal |
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| 23:59.53 | utopia_ | is there much effort involved in getting a USB webcam supported on linux? |
