| 00:00.04 | Guerin | utopia_: depends on the camera. |
| 00:00.31 | sdfe | since you like helping me so much. http://rafb.net/p/pPNe1734.html |
| 00:00.59 | utopia_ | Guerin, mine is made by creative..any exprience with them? |
| 00:01.08 | Guerin | sdfe: aptitude install madwifi-tools |
| 00:01.23 | Guerin | sdfe: you did it and it's done |
| 00:01.26 | abrotman | sdfe: you forgot to install madwifi-tools |
| 00:01.30 | Guerin | so in principle it should work now |
| 00:01.39 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind |
| 00:01.40 | sdfe | madwifi tools? |
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| 00:01.46 | JeffH | I show there being an update for the poppler-utils package. I don't recall installing the package.. is there anyway to determine if another package I've got installed depends on it? |
| 00:02.05 | Guerin | JeffH: aptitude -s install foopackage |
| 00:02.11 | Guerin | JeffH: -s = simulate |
| 00:02.58 | JeffH | Guerin: that doesn't seem like what I'd want.. poppler-utils is already installed. |
| 00:03.07 | Guerin | JeffH: so? |
| 00:03.25 | sdfe | i need to make a hash table, anyone got serious fast servers or clusters that could have it's resources occupied ? |
| 00:03.33 | Guerin | why is it that people are all about asking for advice and then ignoring it today? |
| 00:03.43 | antgel | only today? |
| 00:03.54 | Guerin | antgel: and all other days ending in y |
| 00:03.57 | JeffH | Guerin: I don't see how simulating the install is going to show me what packages installed are dependent upon that package. |
| 00:04.05 | antgel | could have /its/ resources ^^ |
| 00:04.34 | Guerin | JeffH: it will show you what packages need to be upgraded for the new version to take effect. If you want to see a list of dependencies, use aptitude show. |
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| 00:05.04 | lightning | can anyone help me properly set the xterm font? |
| 00:05.15 | JeffH | Guerin: I want to see what packages currently installed on my machine depend on the package in question. |
| 00:05.27 | lightning | i have a .Xresources going, but the font never works |
| 00:05.32 | antgel | JeffH: you can see that in aptitude |
| 00:05.39 | sdfe | i just seen a fat lady swim in the water in slow motion, so gross |
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| 00:06.17 | Guerin | dpkg, rdepends is apt-cache rdepends foo; shows you what depends on foo |
| 00:06.17 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 00:06.51 | smultron | i'm trying to install debian on a linksys nslu2, but right after i get done partitioning the disk, it kicks me off the ssh connection. any ideas? |
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| 00:12.17 | JeffH | is poppler-utils part of the standard base install for etch? |
| 00:12.44 | abrotman | no |
| 00:13.25 | JeffH | hm. aptitude doesn't show any packages installed as depending upon that package.. not sure why its installed.. |
| 00:15.10 | dan2 | abrotman: evening |
| 00:15.54 | abrotman | hi |
| 00:15.54 | JeffH | I hate having packages install that I don't know where they came from. |
| 00:16.32 | waltz | i'm through with debian, also you're all no help |
| 00:16.35 | waltz | goodbye |
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| 00:16.57 | JeffH | does aptitude have any options to keep an audit trail or something that I could look at to see why a particular package was installed? |
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| 00:18.05 | gruelius | Does anyone have experience withapt-cacher? my client computers time out often for some reason. |
| 00:18.52 | abrotman | JeffH: /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 00:19.05 | JeffH | abrotman: thanks. |
| 00:19.09 | xingu | right, so that's pretty easy to build a test case; item 1, aiglx alpha blending *looks different* to what I gather is native glx; two, the 100-series drivers accelerate xft (render extention is accelerated, with full aa support) |
| 00:19.14 | jelly-ho | JeffH: there's no "why" in /var/log/aptitude :-| |
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| 00:19.22 | abrotman | you're a ho now! |
| 00:19.30 | jelly-ho | hmm |
| 00:19.40 | jelly-ho | that I am. |
| 00:19.40 | antgel | gruelius: looked in the bts? istr apt-cacher and apt-proxy being very unreliable |
| 00:19.42 | JeffH | hm.. dpkg.log is empty. |
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| 00:19.58 | gruelius | whats a bts? |
| 00:19.58 | abrotman | JeffH: try dpkg.log.0 |
| 00:20.00 | abrotman | !bts |
| 00:20.01 | dpkg | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 00:20.03 | xingu | so this business about using aiglx where possible is a load of horse cock basically; sw texture_from_pixmap, and treacly xft |
| 00:20.05 | lightning | man it's so hard to set fonts properly in xterm |
| 00:20.06 | lightning | wow |
| 00:20.17 | xingu | driver bugs notwithstanding. |
| 00:20.33 | gruelius | what should i use as an alternative to apt-cacher |
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| 00:20.41 | abrotman | apt-proxy maybe |
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| 00:21.24 | JeffH | dpkg.log.1 doesn't seem to give a why either. |
| 00:21.39 | xingu | now why couldn't the various mystic megs out there on the net just say that rather than offering up voodoo setting combos? |
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| 00:22.28 | xingu | now, lets see if I can get xvmc to play nice with a composited desktop |
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| 00:23.00 | JeffH | hplip added a bunch of dependent package that to me seem completely useless.. wonder if it some how got pulled in that way. |
| 00:24.16 | lumgwada | hey all I'm going in circles with apt.. I get dpkg: error processing apache2-common (--remove). The initscript is trying to stop the server when it's not running apt-get -f install doesn't help either... |
| 00:25.09 | JeffH | why hplip depends on python-qt3 is a mystery to me. |
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| 00:28.40 | jelly-home | JeffH: hp-toolbox GUI. |
| 00:29.36 | JeffH | jelly: seem to me that should be a seperate package for anyone who wants to run a gui.. I'm running a server box and see no need to install gui software on my server. |
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| 00:30.10 | abrotman | but the printer is okay ? |
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| 00:31.55 | jelly-home | JeffH: try filing a wishlist or minor bug, if it's really unneeded for basic functionality, the dependency could be at least downgraded to Recommends or Suggests. |
| 00:32.14 | JeffH | nod |
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| 00:34.06 | JeffH | a request like that if implemented wouldn't find its way into stable until the next release yeah? |
| 00:34.31 | lumgwada | Is it possible to manually edit an initscript? I have a system that is failing to apt-get -f install... It looks like the script is trying to stop apache when it's not running and failing... |
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| 00:36.17 | petemc | lumgwada: /var/lib/dpkg/info/foo.{pre/postrm} , tho it really shouldnt do that.. |
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| 00:37.58 | lumgwada | petemc: ideally I don't want to but apt wont let me remove the packages. Is there another way to get rid of all apache packages without having to run the apt-get -f install ? |
| 00:38.57 | lumgwada | I was just going to uncomment the apache2 stop command... |
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| 00:39.18 | jelly-home | JeffH: correct |
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| 00:39.34 | petemc | lumgwada: dpkg -r |
| 00:39.45 | lumgwada | petemc: cheers |
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| 00:40.01 | JeffH | sometimes I hate being a minimalist.. something as simple as extra packages I really shoudln't have to install bugs me. |
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| 00:40.46 | JeffH | but in this day and age people's attitude seems to be "Disk space is cheap" <sigh> |
| 00:40.54 | jelly-home | lumgwada: a stupid workaround is to suspend dpkg, _start_ apache2, then continue the script and let the stop do its work successfully ;-) |
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| 00:41.59 | jelly-home | JeffH: while disk space is cheap, admin's time to manage and identify potentially insecure software isn't |
| 00:42.01 | Xenguy | JeffH: not sure of your details, but I agree no server should require gui components |
| 00:42.04 | antgel | JeffH: er, but it is cheap |
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| 00:43.16 | JeffH | antgel: yeah it is.. but it's that very attitude that causes bloat.. I can't stand bloat.. give me JUST what I need.. |
| 00:43.44 | antgel | *nod* |
| 00:43.50 | lumgwada | jelly-home: yeah tried that...it was failing on a perl module... I might have to edit http.conf just to get the thing started.... |
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| 00:44.59 | JeffH | Xenguy: just complaining that hplip depends on python-qt3 |
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| 00:48.12 | GhostlyDeath | If I were to find Xenix on Ebay, can I install it on an existing debian partition? |
| 00:49.06 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: Xenix as in old M$ Unix? |
| 00:49.17 | GhostlyDeath | yes |
| 00:49.30 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: we have no idea |
| 00:49.52 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: debian doesn't have anything to do with it |
| 00:50.31 | GhostlyDeath | hmm Can you install other Linuxes on a debian partition and have them coexist? |
| 00:51.09 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: no |
| 00:51.21 | GhostlyDeath | damn.. |
| 00:51.46 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: just create and use another partition, that's what they're for. |
| 00:51.51 | lumgwada | jelly-home: sorted, thanks for the suggestions.. I ended up having to disable all the apache modules to restart it... the init sctipt should have coped with apache not running during the dist-upgrade though. Is it worth a bug report? |
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| 00:52.03 | jelly-home | lumgwada: definitely |
| 00:52.43 | lumgwada | jelly-home: will do ... cheers |
| 00:53.29 | jelly-home | lumgwada: I'd check if it was already reported |
| 00:55.08 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: or, if you're playing with lots of OSes, you could use virtual machines (qemu, vmware) |
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| 01:00.53 | xingu | aha, xvmc is behaving itself if I tick don't redirect fullscreen windows |
| 01:00.55 | xingu | nearly there. |
| 01:01.35 | xingu | hot damn it's a hard slog digging up actual *data* in amongst all these ricer boy lamp rubbing posters |
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| 01:08.18 | padakly | am i in? |
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| 01:08.35 | Azar | hello honorables!! |
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| 01:09.44 | Azar | Automatix is no good for Debian , meh |
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| 01:13.49 | Azar | hehe teehee, looks like a mswindows baby: Passes --assume-yes to apt-get, which will (as a result) happily remove packages without giving the user an opportunity to intervene. |
| 01:14.23 | abrotman | Azar: it's not in Debian .. doesn't matter |
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| 01:14.59 | Azar | yeah, but I have seen many here asking for this crapshit |
| 01:15.26 | Azar | abrotman, how you doing, watching games tonight? |
| 01:15.44 | abrotman | no games on! |
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| 01:15.58 | Azar | you are at work? |
| 01:16.03 | abrotman | hell no |
| 01:16.15 | Azar | eh, I just came from work... |
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| 01:20.28 | triplc | Hi all |
| 01:20.48 | RockerServer | hey triplc |
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| 01:21.22 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 01:21.30 | grendal_prime | (EE) Configured Mouse: cannot open input device |
| 01:21.46 | triplc | Do we have gtk2-engines-pixmap? I download some theme and it refer to Pixmap engines... but I do not know where to find it. I tried Google and art.gnome.org, but cannot find it |
| 01:21.51 | grendal_prime | after an upgrade from sarge to etch |
| 01:21.56 | triplc | Hi RockerServer |
| 01:22.13 | RockerServer | what's up? |
| 01:22.39 | triplc | RockerMONO, er... things are just fine |
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| 01:22.45 | Azar | grendal_prime: you slide from xfree to xorg? |
| 01:22.59 | jetscreamer | fix it! |
| 01:23.10 | Azar | hey!!! mister jetscreamer! :) |
| 01:23.14 | jetscreamer | or maybe modprobe mousedev or psmouse |
| 01:23.31 | jetscreamer | try that if one works there ya go.. but that's a very old bug |
| 01:23.43 | jetscreamer | hail |
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| 01:24.19 | Azar | hehe root go away |
| 01:24.58 | Azar | abrotman I wonder how you can go to work when you said you got issues with your legs.. |
| 01:25.07 | abrotman | i do ? |
| 01:25.10 | Azar | cuz I just got out of disability, and I walk like a robot |
| 01:25.30 | abrotman | don't you sit at a desk all day ? |
| 01:25.38 | triplc | Do we have gtk2-engines-pixmap? I download some theme and it refer to Pixmap engines... but I do not know where to find it. I tried Google and art.gnome.org, but cannot find it (re-post question). |
| 01:25.48 | Azar | heck, if I sit, cut the blood circulation and feet get swollen |
| 01:25.49 | grendal_prime | Azar: ya |
| 01:26.01 | grendal_prime | do i need to do a dist upgrade? |
| 01:26.07 | Azar | grendal_prime: listen to jetscreamer, he told you what to do to fix |
| 01:26.15 | abrotman | !find gtk2-engines etch |
| 01:26.16 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'gtk2-engines' (13 of 21): gtk2-engines ;; gtk2-engines-cleanice ;; gtk2-engines-clearlooks ;; gtk2-engines-crux ;; gtk2-engines-geramik ;; gtk2-engines-gtk-qt ;; gtk2-engines-highcontrast ;; gtk2-engines-industrial ;; gtk2-engines-lighthouseblue ;; gtk2-engines-magicchicken ;; gtk2-engines-metal ;; gtk2-engines-mist ;; gtk2-engines-pixbuf. |
| 01:26.33 | jetscreamer | grendal_prime: just if it works, it's an old bug |
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| 01:29.10 | grendal_prime | Azar: that seems to have a different effect. do i have to do that at boot up every time...line in an rclocal script or something? |
| 01:29.38 | Azar | grendal_prime: not sure if I understand you: to do _what_ at bootup |
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| 01:30.08 | jetscreamer | what has a different effect |
| 01:30.13 | grendal_prime | well the box im working with is remote...so basically when it comes up it crashes on the xstartup. |
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| 01:30.52 | jetscreamer | well you can put the words mousedev and psmouse in /etc/modules |
| 01:30.54 | Azar | jetscreamer: I have the feeling that he did manually edited the xorg or xfree.. or the upgrade from sarge with xfree, borked when it got to etch with xorg |
| 01:31.10 | jetscreamer | it won't hurt to put them |
| 01:31.25 | jetscreamer | and will autoload them on_boot if they aren't already |
| 01:31.31 | grendal_prime | i run the modprobe mousedev and it wants to let me fire up x but well im running from remote. |
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| 01:31.36 | jetscreamer | now as to whether it fixes your problem, only you know |
| 01:31.42 | grendal_prime | ya thats right the moduels file sorry thanks alot |
| 01:32.10 | jetscreamer | yeah iirc it was mousedev that was the culprit more times than not |
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| 01:33.22 | grendal_prime | i dont think i manually adjust the xfree config files on these boxes..thats why i was confused by the error |
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| 01:33.54 | grendal_prime | i adjusted the moduels file and rebooting...we will see in a bit |
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| 01:34.08 | lymeca | Can Off-The-Record encryption be used with IRC? |
| 01:34.46 | grendal_prime | seems like thats what i had to do last time i ran into this..but that was a long time ago.. |
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| 01:35.24 | abrotman | lymeca: the pidgin plugin ? |
| 01:35.52 | grendal_prime | yep seems to have done it |
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| 01:35.56 | grendal_prime | thanks guys |
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| 01:37.03 | xingu | right, so that's xvmc+compositing cracked - mplayer -vo xvmc:bobdeint:queue -vc ffmpeg12mc -fs -framedrop |
| 01:37.54 | xingu | ... and "unredirect" (sheesh, shoot that person) fullscreen windows |
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| 01:40.08 | grendal_prime | ok the keyboard and the mouse both dont work |
| 01:40.11 | grendal_prime | werid |
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| 01:43.20 | jetscreamer | !blame udev |
| 01:43.33 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 01:43.35 | jetscreamer | random? |
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| 01:43.42 | jetscreamer | !blame something |
| 01:43.46 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 01:44.01 | dragonheart | could always go back to explicity node numbering/naming :-) |
| 01:44.02 | jetscreamer | !literal cmd (.?) blame |
| 01:44.10 | jetscreamer | !literal cmd (*.?) blame |
| 01:44.22 | jetscreamer | dammit i can never remember how to do that |
| 01:44.29 | Guerin | blame (*.?) |
| 01:44.42 | jetscreamer | !literal cmd blame (*.?) |
| 01:44.54 | Guerin | cmd: |
| 01:44.58 | Guerin | jeeze |
| 01:45.02 | Guerin | man blootbot ;) |
| 01:45.03 | jetscreamer | !literal cmd:(*.?) blame |
| 01:45.09 | simonrvn | !literal CMD: blame (.*?) |
| 01:45.09 | dpkg | "cmd: blame (.*?)" is "($1): <action> blames $randnick and $1 for (all the evil in the world|the end of (life|culture|the Internet|the world) as we know it)" |
| 01:45.17 | Guerin | !win simonrvn |
| 01:45.18 | dpkg | Congratulations, simonrvn! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 01:45.38 | jetscreamer | aha (.*?) |
| 01:45.41 | stoned | !make sexy time Guerin |
| 01:45.48 | stoned | wawawewa |
| 01:46.00 | Azar | toned!!! uerin!!! |
| 01:46.04 | stoned | toned? |
| 01:46.05 | stoned | hehe |
| 01:46.07 | stoned | yeh man |
| 01:46.08 | stoned | word |
| 01:46.10 | simonrvn | zar!!! |
| 01:46.11 | Azar | hehe |
| 01:46.15 | jetscreamer | ooo $randnick is what i was wondering about |
| 01:46.21 | jetscreamer | uh.... |
| 01:46.25 | Azar | mister simonrvn did you got the latest openbox version? |
| 01:46.28 | jetscreamer | might as well say 'urine' |
| 01:46.31 | simonrvn | etscreamer!!! |
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| 01:46.37 | stoned | imonrvn |
| 01:46.38 | Azar | hehe |
| 01:46.46 | stoned | nvrnomis |
| 01:46.46 | jetscreamer | i'mamoron |
| 01:46.50 | simonrvn | Azar: some version... sec |
| 01:46.52 | stoned | dude |
| 01:46.54 | stoned | you're a mormon |
| 01:47.06 | simonrvn | s,m,, |
| 01:47.11 | stoned | joseph smith went into the woods |
| 01:47.15 | jetscreamer | no i'm just reading the words as they seem to appear for a second |
| 01:47.17 | stoned | dum dum dum dum DUMB! |
| 01:47.20 | Azar | stoned: man I started the work again... ended the disability boring times |
| 01:47.23 | stoned | that was a great southpark episode |
| 01:47.28 | stoned | Azar: awesome man |
| 01:47.32 | stoned | I'm about to move again |
| 01:47.38 | Azar | eh? where? |
| 01:47.45 | stoned | a few miles from here |
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| 01:47.52 | simonrvn | Azar: 3.4.3-0ubuntu1 |
| 01:47.56 | jetscreamer | closer to work is always nice |
| 01:48.02 | simonrvn | there we no debian debs yet :/ |
| 01:48.04 | Azar | meh.... evicted, did not pay the rent? |
| 01:48.05 | simonrvn | were |
| 01:48.17 | Azar | simonrvn: yep that's the latest one, any bugs so far? |
| 01:48.19 | stoned | jetscreamer: actually I will be exactly 2 blocks from work |
| 01:48.26 | stoned | kinda hard now to be late |
| 01:48.28 | stoned | and to skip out |
| 01:48.29 | stoned | hehe |
| 01:48.39 | simonrvn | no, one feature i enabled is annoying the hell out of me though |
| 01:48.48 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 01:48.55 | Azar | I am lucky there, stoned , I can go any hour/minute... boss never complains.. |
| 01:49.05 | stoned | namtorba is around |
| 01:49.13 | stoned | thats a funny word |
| 01:49.21 | grendal_prime | ok jetscreamer but i mean everything works accept the mouse and keyboard |
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| 01:49.33 | jetscreamer | except... but hmmm |
| 01:49.47 | jetscreamer | grendal_prime: maybe drxx'ing is in order |
| 01:49.53 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
| 01:49.53 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 01:50.05 | jetscreamer | not sure i don't know what you even did |
| 01:50.09 | stoned | remaercstej |
| 01:50.15 | jetscreamer | just what azar says |
| 01:50.16 | Azar | so like 3 days ago the electrical plugs on my room went dead... stoned that why I was out |
| 01:50.27 | grendal_prime | they can see a desktop now...they just cant do anything with it hehehe...wich is actually more frustrating then just getting a login prompt that they dont know how to use at all |
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| 01:50.33 | grendal_prime | ya i did that jetscreamer |
| 01:50.44 | stoned | Azar: thats dangerous |
| 01:50.49 | twb | The /etc/cron.d/mdadm script runs /usr/share/mdadm/checkarray, and this generates Rebuild20 through Rebuild80 events on my md0 array. Should I be very afraid? |
| 01:50.56 | stoned | you could hurt yourself in the dark |
| 01:51.00 | Azar | stoned: my beloved boxes are like Debian: stable.. hehe |
| 01:51.25 | Azar | stoned: I could actually have had a blind date.. |
| 01:51.31 | stoned | Azar: why didn't you? |
| 01:51.40 | stoned | you should go get some poontang |
| 01:51.43 | Azar | didn't figured it out in time.. |
| 01:52.07 | Guerin | blind dates are fucking stupid |
| 01:52.14 | Azar | a stupid switch in the wall was interfering, and disabled all my electrical plugs |
| 01:52.17 | stoned | no they are not |
| 01:52.22 | jetscreamer | grendal_prime: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 01:52.35 | zinx | Guerin: no condom? |
| 01:52.35 | Azar | Guerin: no need for high education for sex |
| 01:52.39 | stoned | the show is pretty stupid yeah |
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| 01:52.52 | stoned | hey hey |
| 01:52.55 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:52.56 | stoned | 'man condom' |
| 01:52.59 | stoned | hehehe :D |
| 01:53.01 | Guerin | but the only people who go on blind dates are those who can't get action any other way |
| 01:53.07 | Azar | hahaha |
| 01:53.07 | jetscreamer | stoned: Pos:1425.5s 35640f (18%) 8.22fps Trem: 309min 5187mb A-V:0.027 [5445:223] only 309 minutes to go!!! |
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| 01:53.12 | zinx | Guerin: i don't really think being blind has much to do with how intelligently they copulate, honestly |
| 01:53.23 | Guerin | zinx: har. |
| 01:53.35 | Azar | Guerin: the context was: I was in the dark.... >> blind date was something to keep me happy |
| 01:53.36 | stoned | zinx: thats ... why would you even say something so unfunny? |
| 01:53.38 | stoned | ;) |
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| 01:53.56 | zinx | stoned: p'd at intel! |
| 01:54.09 | stoned | p'd |
| 01:54.10 | stoned | ? |
| 01:54.14 | zinx | correct. |
| 01:54.14 | Guerin | ... |
| 01:54.15 | stoned | do you mean pissed off? |
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| 01:54.19 | jetscreamer | pissed |
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| 01:54.30 | jetscreamer | tee'd |
| 01:54.30 | stoned | thats fucking man |
| 01:54.34 | stoned | the height of laziness |
| 01:54.36 | stoned | no wait |
| 01:54.38 | stoned | thats not it |
| 01:54.38 | jetscreamer | not wo-man? |
| 01:54.48 | simonrvn | wtf... irssi totally locked up on me this time |
| 01:54.50 | stoned | the height of laziness... man lays on top of a woman and waits for an earthquake |
| 01:55.02 | Azar | O-o... mister Sam likes the idea that apt acts same way as aptitude... |
| 01:55.10 | jetscreamer | the bottom would be the woman on top? |
| 01:55.10 | simonrvn | X| |
| 01:55.11 | Guerin | ok, rant time: FUCK people who like chicken flavoured chips. GODDAMN those motherfuckers inflicting that nasty fake chicken stock flavour on the earth. |
| 01:55.24 | stoned | lol |
| 01:55.27 | stoned | that was random |
| 01:55.38 | simonrvn | chicken flavoured chips? WTF |
| 01:55.39 | jetscreamer | almost as bad as the imitation chocolate chip cookies |
| 01:55.46 | stoned | simonrvn: I like em |
| 01:55.50 | stoned | not crackers |
| 01:55.50 | Azar | as a User I could side with and defend the old-fashioned way some people like about apt... is not conservatism... not at all |
| 01:55.56 | stoned | but actual potato chips with chicken flavoring |
| 01:55.58 | stoned | its nice |
| 01:56.03 | stoned | can't have too much of it |
| 01:56.05 | stoned | but its ok |
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| 01:56.20 | simonrvn | probably full of MSG |
| 01:56.21 | abrotman | why would he be here ? |
| 01:56.24 | piztek | what's a good text editor? |
| 01:56.26 | stoned | !msg |
| 01:56.26 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 01:56.29 | Guerin | piztek: emacs |
| 01:56.36 | abrotman | ew! |
| 01:56.37 | Guerin | Azar: Sam Hell? |
| 01:56.39 | simonrvn | !start an editor war |
| 01:56.39 | dpkg | nvi blows |
| 01:56.39 | Azar | abrotman: well why not he be here? |
| 01:56.41 | stoned | sam neil |
| 01:56.42 | zinx | piz: that's pretty much equivilant to typing !start an editor war |
| 01:56.42 | piztek | i'll try it |
| 01:56.46 | Azar | Guerin: NO, the DPL |
| 01:56.49 | abrotman | Azar: you know where you are . right ? |
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| 01:56.50 | stoned | pez |
| 01:56.51 | stoned | hehe |
| 01:56.57 | piztek | zinx: which do you use? |
| 01:57.04 | stoned | ketchup |
| 01:57.07 | stoned | hahaha |
| 01:57.10 | zinx | piztek: le, but no one has ever heard of it. |
| 01:57.24 | Azar | abrotman: would it be bad ? as bad? |
| 01:57.50 | abrotman | depends on your point of view |
| 01:58.18 | jetscreamer | vi and all vi clones suck! |
| 01:58.36 | stoned | I like nano |
| 01:58.36 | zinx | especially the one you think rules! |
| 01:58.56 | jetscreamer | i like nano mc-edit and gedit so far |
| 01:58.57 | Azar | hmm, you are right, abrotman... why should I care |
| 01:58.59 | stoned | la de d |
| 01:59.05 | abrotman | i heard they tried to make an emacs clone once .. but they couldn't get it to boot |
| 01:59.06 | Azar | da da daaaa |
| 01:59.13 | stoned | nick nick nick nick nick nick |
| 01:59.17 | stoned | da da daaaa |
| 01:59.23 | stoned | have you heard that song |
| 01:59.25 | Azar | badger badger badgerrrr |
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| 01:59.30 | Azar | stoned: yes |
| 01:59.31 | stoned | no it was on the radio |
| 01:59.34 | stoned | thats how it went |
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| 01:59.38 | stoned | da da da, nick nick nick nick nick nick |
| 01:59.39 | stoned | lol |
| 01:59.41 | stoned | cute |
| 01:59.52 | Azar | cute is a lady's expression |
| 02:00.07 | stoned | not really |
| 02:00.08 | Azar | speaking of... where is rahul? |
| 02:00.13 | stoned | haha |
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| 02:00.25 | stoned | I think he went to india |
| 02:00.33 | stoned | I should go too |
| 02:00.44 | stoned | I haven't been in like 12 years |
| 02:00.49 | stoned | 11 |
| 02:01.01 | Azar | meh, I want to go in Austria, there where I love |
| 02:01.14 | stoned | I like australia |
| 02:01.24 | stoned | actually I like anywhere pot is legal |
| 02:01.26 | Azar | never been there |
| 02:01.30 | stoned | forget aus |
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| 02:01.40 | stoned | california maybe, amsterdam |
| 02:01.55 | stoned | just legalize it and call it a day |
| 02:01.57 | piztek | how do you set font in xterm |
| 02:02.05 | stoned | -fn blah |
| 02:02.09 | Azar | man, in Austria, you get high.... sleep on the street, police takes you to their station, give you a cell, coffee and food then next day they let you go... charity |
| 02:02.12 | stoned | chose blah from xfontsel |
| 02:02.12 | piztek | stoned: that don't work for me |
| 02:02.17 | dragonheart | its not legal in Australia its just decrimalised in some states |
| 02:02.28 | piztek | stoned: xfontsel doesn't work either |
| 02:02.29 | stoned | piztek: xfontsel |
| 02:02.33 | stoned | !doesn't work |
| 02:02.33 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 02:02.42 | piztek | like i set it and it doesn't set |
| 02:03.01 | stoned | it does here |
| 02:03.04 | kingsley | Is there a music CD player that automatically mounts CDs? |
| 02:03.07 | deadcat | yes it does |
| 02:03.13 | stoned | deadcat: ! |
| 02:03.17 | deadcat | (= |
| 02:03.17 | stoned | whats up man |
| 02:03.31 | deadcat | slow months |
| 02:03.36 | stoned | yeh |
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| 02:03.46 | stoned | im trying to go to the moon |
| 02:03.52 | stoned | i'll be there soon |
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| 02:04.15 | deadcat | damn.. |
| 02:04.24 | deadcat | RockerMONO: we dont care.. |
| 02:04.25 | abrotman | no one cares |
| 02:04.26 | stoned | hey |
| 02:04.29 | stoned | I rhymed |
| 02:04.30 | stoned | hehe |
| 02:04.31 | Azar | stoned: you should have moved here, man... salaries are better |
| 02:04.43 | stoned | Azar: yeh |
| 02:04.48 | deadcat | stoned: earn some quick cash on the street with those rhymes hehe |
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| 02:05.01 | stoned | deadcat: I'm soon going to start a metal band here |
| 02:05.09 | deadcat | cool |
| 02:05.11 | stoned | deadcat: been talking with some people |
| 02:05.19 | stoned | deadcat: come to #music |
| 02:05.21 | piztek | no it's seriously not setting |
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| 02:05.44 | chaoticflaws | i <3 debian 4 l1f3 |
| 02:05.44 | Azar | stoned: how much is the minimum over there, in NY ? |
| 02:05.52 | stoned | I dunno |
| 02:06.01 | Azar | is $8.00/hr here |
| 02:06.05 | stoned | I'm not doing too bad I make a few grand a month |
| 02:06.07 | Guerin | !aolify chaoticflaws |
| 02:06.13 | piztek | i love mac |
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| 02:07.29 | Azar | stoned: the temp guy who worked while I was gone, at my desk, said he prefers to be a waiter in a restaurant ... cuz he makes more |
| 02:07.40 | chaoticflaws | ;) |
| 02:08.00 | piztek | :D |
| 02:08.35 | Azar | abrotman, you think debian hurd is doomed? like the progeny was? |
| 02:08.50 | abrotman | they aren't even related |
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| 02:09.05 | Azar | well no |
| 02:10.33 | Azar | abrotman: one thing I do not understand, there are free software drivers out there under GPL.. well v2. but they are linux software, and Hurd can't get them.. |
| 02:10.53 | abrotman | do you use HURD ? |
| 02:10.57 | Azar | because, well they are the fruits of the linux kernel's team |
| 02:11.11 | abrotman | you realize they use different kernels right ? |
| 02:11.13 | Azar | abrotman: I tried to install ... did not work.. will try again |
| 02:11.18 | Azar | abrotman: yes |
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| 02:11.43 | Azar | and I know that linux devs will not easily license them drivers.. |
| 02:11.57 | Azar | to be use in the mach kernel.. |
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| 02:12.27 | Azar | heck the damn grub does not like me |
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| 02:14.17 | Azar | wow, damn! so is True! Apt gonna change |
| 02:14.31 | zinx | o_O |
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| 02:16.31 | Azar | http://debian-news.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3001 << that's a keeper |
| 02:17.04 | logd | hi there's a way to make bind or some other dns daemon reply with lan ips when queried for my external ip: mean i'm using iptables to share connection among some pc over lan now i need this when clients queries for my external hostname ie ratail.xxx.xxx.xx. etc how i can make dns say them 192.168.1.1 ? |
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| 02:17.33 | jlc | Kernel Makefile not found at '/lib/modules/2.6.22-1-amd64/source' |
| 02:17.41 | jlc | what package could this be looking for |
| 02:17.47 | jlc | I have most kernel* installed |
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| 02:18.40 | abrotman | linux-header maybe ? |
| 02:18.59 | jlc | got it |
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| 02:19.31 | _DunK_ | Hi, I have noticed that my known_hosts file only stores the keys, and not the hostnames explicitly. I would like the hostnames to get saved for tab completion. How might I go about it? |
| 02:19.32 | abrotman | logd: setup your dns zone |
| 02:19.43 | abrotman | _DunK_: names are hashed now |
| 02:20.07 | _DunK_ | abrotman: is there just no way then? |
| 02:20.22 | abrotman | _DunK_: dunno .. maybe |
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| 02:20.49 | dragonheart | there is a HashKnownHosts directive for /etc/sshd/ssh_config and probably can be put in .ssh/config |
| 02:21.56 | Crypticfortune_ | lets say i create an ip alias br0:0, do iptables rules for br0 also apply to br0:0? |
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| 02:22.12 | logd | just a thing: could this also be done with a rule in iptable ? ie redirect packets with dest $myip to 192.168.1.1? |
| 02:22.14 | _DunK_ | dragonheart: I will give that a look |
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| 02:24.49 | Crypticfortune_ | hmmms, considering iptables errored when i tried to use "-i br0:0" i'll assume that means they must... |
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| 02:25.22 | kingsley | How does one point xmms at a CD drive? |
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| 02:26.15 | StarWars | hi |
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| 02:27.13 | StarWars | How can i test my speed conection on my server ? |
| 02:29.11 | logd | just a thing: could this also be done with a rule in iptable ? ie redirect packets with dest $myip to 192.168.1.1? |
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| 02:30.37 | dragonheart | i fairly sure it can. just don't remember the syntax off hand. should be easy enough to find |
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| 02:34.22 | logd | i guess likely this iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -d ip.a.b.c -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.1 |
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| 02:35.07 | GreaseMonkey | hey, i tried to make a module for linux, and then i tried to remove it, but it would bitch at every attempt. could someone please help? |
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| 02:36.07 | jlc | abrotman: figured it out |
| 02:36.15 | jlc | ln -s /usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r` /lib/modules/`uname -r`/source |
| 02:37.14 | pingouin | is it possible with aptitude or apt-get, when installing openoffice.org to exclude the java dependencie package ? |
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| 02:37.23 | abrotman | OO runs on java |
| 02:37.41 | pingouin | some fonctions only i thought |
| 02:37.52 | pingouin | it can run without, i guess |
| 02:38.10 | pingouin | and i dont want java installed, if possible.... |
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| 02:38.27 | abrotman | why? |
| 02:38.53 | pingouin | dont need it |
| 02:39.06 | abrotman | OO seems to want it |
| 02:39.18 | pingouin | only for some fonctions |
| 02:39.27 | pingouin | that i'm far away to use |
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| 02:41.38 | pingouin | so i guess,it's not possible... |
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| 02:46.12 | logd | there a command that returns ONLY the ip of an iface as string ? |
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| 02:47.26 | diafic_ | can I like, watch a TTY? |
| 02:47.39 | diafic_ | I have a wget process on TTY1 and I'd like to see its process |
| 02:47.43 | abrotman | diafic_: yes |
| 02:47.48 | diafic_ | logd, not that I know of |
| 02:47.50 | diafic_ | abrotman, how? |
| 02:48.03 | abrotman | ttysnoop |
| 02:48.09 | diafic_ | ta |
| 02:48.21 | StarWars | How can i test my speed conection on my server ? |
| 02:48.33 | diafic_ | saturate the connection downloading something? |
| 02:48.34 | abrotman | up or down ? |
| 02:48.36 | Growly|Work | download a file? |
| 02:48.42 | Growly|Work | upload a file? |
| 02:48.47 | diafic_ | iso's are a good choice |
| 02:48.54 | StarWars | other options? |
| 02:48.57 | abrotman | isos are a bit big |
| 02:48.58 | diafic_ | also doing a system update is a good load test of the connection |
| 02:48.58 | logd | mean: ifconfig ppp0 | grep addr returns inet addr:82.59.59.185 P-t-P:192.168.100.1 Mask:255.255.255.255 but i need just addr: |
| 02:48.59 | abrotman | UP OR DOWN |
| 02:49.03 | diafic_ | abrotman, not ALL of it |
| 02:49.13 | diafic_ | just to stretch the connection |
| 02:49.13 | abrotman | or ask your ISP what your speed is |
| 02:49.17 | diafic_ | :P |
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| 02:49.24 | Growly|Work | but even that's not the real answer |
| 02:49.27 | Growly|Work | cause the isp WILL LIE |
| 02:49.34 | diafic_ | Not usually |
| 02:49.40 | diafic_ | 2200/288kbps is my rate |
| 02:49.45 | diafic_ | and its true (sadly) |
| 02:49.57 | Growly|Work | well in NZ the isps are shit |
| 02:49.59 | Growly|Work | absolute |
| 02:50.00 | Growly|Work | total |
| 02:50.00 | Growly|Work | shit |
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| 02:50.45 | diafic_ | abrotman, how do I use ttysnoop? |
| 02:51.03 | abrotman | read the man page |
| 02:51.04 | diafic_ | nvm |
| 02:51.16 | diafic_ | I didn't see "ttysnoop" as I'm not root |
| 02:51.30 | mystic_pinguin | i'm sory the question but i have here one problem im try to install linux in one laptop like the the instalation is one recovery asus cd and not the original they looks dont give to me to insiste i use the thngs they want i use ... i cant partition and resize the windows partition :x anyone have some idea? |
| 02:51.43 | otrtest | If anyone uses the OTR plugin with their chat clients (most likely Pidgin users) to connect to Freenode, please message me so I can see OTR in action (if possible) over IRC. |
| 02:51.53 | abrotman | mystic_pinguin: which linux? |
| 02:52.02 | mystic_pinguin | abrotman debian shure :) |
| 02:52.07 | StarWars | what is "NI" ?? simbol from 'top command" |
| 02:52.11 | abrotman | otrtest: maybe ask #pidgin ? |
| 02:52.20 | abrotman | mystic_pinguin: are you sure ? |
| 02:52.30 | mystic_pinguin | yes im try to install debian there ... |
| 02:52.39 | StarWars | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.42 | mystic_pinguin | why this question? |
| 02:52.42 | otrtest | abrotman: Haha there's an idea. |
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| 02:53.26 | mystic_pinguin | abrotman i use more hten one distro but im try to install there debian ... |
| 02:53.41 | abrotman | the rest of your question makes no sense |
| 02:53.44 | victori_ | am I wasting my time with an ati x1600 card? pick up a nvidia card? or has ATI support improved over the years? |
| 02:54.20 | victori_ | I don't care for games, this is primarily for a java development workstation |
| 02:54.33 | diafic_ | ATI is usable |
| 02:54.37 | diafic_ | not brillaint |
| 02:54.40 | diafic_ | not brilliant |
| 02:54.45 | diafic_ | nvidia is better if you can get it |
| 02:54.54 | diafic_ | simply for the easier drivers |
| 02:55.01 | abrotman | victori_: you can use the radeon driver with earlier cards |
| 02:55.03 | diafic_ | ATI and NVIDIA work FINE if you don't need accelleration |
| 02:55.04 | mystic_pinguin | abrotman why not have you try the asus recovery cd ? they dont give e the windows cd original ... you know so i cant resize there the partitions size |
| 02:55.09 | abrotman | victori_: or get an intel video card |
| 02:55.09 | mystic_pinguin | that the problem |
| 02:55.21 | abrotman | mystic_pinguin: i don't have a recovery CD from asus |
| 02:55.25 | victori_ | I was floored when my computer at work (xp1800 w/ 762 megs of ram or so) was faster than my mac osx86 at home with 2 gigs of ram/2.4ghz |
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| 02:55.33 | victori_ | err with eclipse* |
| 02:55.42 | diafic_ | victori_, what OS on the work box? |
| 02:55.47 | victori_ | debian ;-) |
| 02:55.49 | diafic_ | :P |
| 02:55.51 | diafic_ | well natch |
| 02:55.52 | mystic_pinguin | abrotman good you dont have it sucks :x |
| 02:55.55 | diafic_ | its going to be faster. |
| 02:55.55 | victori_ | lenny |
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| 02:56.33 | victori_ | I mean a serious "wtf" when my osx86 box swaps out to 3gigs with eclipse and a few development programs running while the workstation at work running debian stays around 384megs of ram utilization |
| 02:56.35 | victori_ | no swapping |
| 02:56.41 | victori_ | osx86 box @ 2gigs of ra |
| 02:56.43 | victori_ | ram* |
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| 02:57.08 | victori_ | same 1gig eclipse workspace, same plugins loaded |
| 02:57.11 | victori_ | so it is apples to apples |
| 02:57.50 | diafic_ | what is eclipse? |
| 02:57.58 | abrotman | it's an IDE |
| 02:58.01 | victori_ | java IDE, well IDE for /everything/ |
| 02:58.07 | abrotman | !eclipse |
| 02:58.07 | dpkg | from memory, eclipse is the end of the world, or an awesome extensible IDE written in Java. http://www.eclipse.org/, or get it from unstable |
| 02:58.33 | diafic_ | hmm |
| 02:58.46 | dhivo | I got this when trying to login on a debian server : 'disconnected: no supported authentication methods available' . Could it mean that ssh deamon has stopped running, and could a remote reboot not solve it ? |
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| 03:02.42 | diafic_ | FUCK YOU WINDOWS |
| 03:02.48 | diafic_ | "you will shut down, lol" |
| 03:03.00 | diafic_ | "I'm in the middle of a HTTP download, you fuck" |
| 03:03.06 | diafic_ | "I don't care lol" |
| 03:03.08 | diafic_ | "..." |
| 03:03.11 | diafic_ | "Byeeeee~" |
| 03:03.18 | mystic_pinguin | diafic_ lol |
| 03:03.43 | mystic_pinguin | diafic_ are you ok? |
| 03:03.45 | mystic_pinguin | lol |
| 03:03.48 | diafic_ | pissed off. |
| 03:03.50 | diafic_ | Thats what I am |
| 03:03.53 | victori_ | have fun with your rant |
| 03:04.07 | diafic_ | why doesn't that little "reboot lol" window have a "Go away" button |
| 03:04.32 | diafic_ | ALL THE SAME PERSON |
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| 03:05.50 | manu_hack | windows sucks, that's it |
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| 03:05.58 | diafic_ | pretty much |
| 03:06.04 | diafic_ | I hate how arrogant the OS is |
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| 03:06.10 | diafic_ | "you will reboot now. No arguing" |
| 03:06.20 | manu_hack | I hate windows so much |
| 03:06.27 | diafic_ | I want a shell extention to add a little "GO AWAY" box to each window |
| 03:06.32 | manu_hack | but at work, i still need to use windows ... |
| 03:06.38 | diafic_ | so I can just tell the window to go the fuck away |
| 03:06.43 | diafic_ | my warentee requires it |
| 03:06.52 | manu_hack | really? |
| 03:06.59 | diafic_ | yeah, annoyingly |
| 03:07.09 | diafic_ | so they can run their bullshitware(tm) |
| 03:07.09 | manu_hack | I have debian sitting right here on my laptop |
| 03:07.15 | diafic_ | I envy you |
| 03:07.19 | diafic_ | I have it in a V |
| 03:07.19 | diafic_ | VM |
| 03:07.20 | manu_hack | you can do it |
| 03:07.31 | diafic_ | warentee. |
| 03:07.54 | manu_hack | well, if I were you, I won't worry about that |
| 03:07.54 | mystic_pinguin | diafic_ i dont like to critisize so much windows because everyone thta work like to be paid $ |
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| 03:08.29 | diafic_ | warentee is rolled into insurance too |
| 03:08.36 | mystic_pinguin | theproblem is the sociaty we nede money to eat to |
| 03:08.37 | diafic_ | so if it gets nicked, it'd still be invalid |
| 03:08.41 | diafic_ | I hate people. |
| 03:08.42 | mystic_pinguin | or do you have food whithout money? |
| 03:09.08 | diafic_ | norc, the problem is microsoft forces their big greasy cock down peoples throats and keep alternatives quiet. |
| 03:09.08 | manu_hack | that's a tough one |
| 03:09.26 | diafic_ | you can't buy a machine without windows. |
| 03:09.30 | diafic_ | (except dells) |
| 03:09.38 | manu_hack | M$ cares only market share, but not the software itself |
| 03:09.38 | diafic_ | but those aren't so much computers as lobotomies |
| 03:09.57 | diafic_ | And in their persuit of a perfect MS world, everyone looses. |
| 03:09.57 | mystic_pinguin | diafic_ lol that not true ... i think |
| 03:10.08 | petemc | diafic_: perhaps you should try not to let it annoy you so much |
| 03:10.14 | diafic_ | I had to deal with a room with 32 dell E521's |
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| 03:10.18 | diafic_ | *shudder* |
| 03:10.47 | diafic_ | only redeeming feature was a nice LCD and a X2 CPU |
| 03:10.47 | manu_hack | exactly, one time I look at the classroom, everyone was using windows, look to me like a prison, no choice |
| 03:10.50 | diafic_ | shame they all ran a single core only operating system and were locked down to 1024x768 on a big screen |
| 03:10.57 | mystic_pinguin | diafic_ you need money to have one computer to .... |
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| 03:11.04 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
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| 03:11.13 | diafic_ | mystic_pinguin, what are you trying to say? |
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| 03:12.14 | mystic_pinguin | diafic_ im try to say that everyone likes to be paid for they work ... so i dont complain much about the bill gates but many more the money and sociaty |
| 03:12.30 | diafic_ | norc, not everyone |
| 03:12.35 | diafic_ | whoops |
| 03:12.40 | diafic_ | norc, not everyone |
| 03:12.43 | diafic_ | what the hell |
| 03:12.52 | diafic_ | not everyone |
| 03:13.21 | diafic_ | linux is here because people care more about making a difference and poking some fun from a computer than to make a quick buck by dominating the market ALA the borg |
| 03:14.13 | diafic_ | (and to better themselves by learning something) |
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| 03:15.57 | mystic_pinguin | diafic_ because the ideia of everyone can acess and working together they cannot fight so windows whith time is one dead os |
| 03:16.24 | diafic_ | I can't tell a word of what you're trying to say |
| 03:16.26 | abrotman | wtf |
| 03:16.43 | diafic_ | words... merging... together oó |
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| 03:18.41 | kuitang | I want to install Debian to my new system using ICH9 raid directly to the raid array. Is that possible? |
| 03:19.12 | abrotman | didn't you ask us earlier ? |
| 03:19.17 | mystic_pinguin | i dont know why linux is so worry about the software patents because unix comes first then windows so windows shoud never exist |
| 03:19.49 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 03:19.49 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux-ata.org/ |
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| 03:24.10 | Gorbulas | hello |
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| 03:24.41 | mystic_pinguin | i want to $ one linux pijama whith blue pinguins :x i just dont know is where they are selling :x i dont know where i put the address :x |
| 03:25.17 | Gorbulas | I'm trying to install Ubuntu on a iBook G4 using the network CD(Debian installer) but the partitioning step lists no partitions on my disk |
| 03:26.17 | Gorbulas | it looks like parted_server is not returning the list of partitions |
| 03:26.35 | Gorbulas | how can I manually set the partitions and continue installing? |
| 03:26.50 | diafic_ | mystic_pinguin, I still have no idea what you're trying to say |
| 03:26.57 | diafic_ | is english not your first language? |
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| 03:27.15 | Gorbulas | I know the partitions are there, parted and mac-fdisk show them |
| 03:27.22 | mystic_pinguin | Gorbulas i dont know if can help but looks good reading http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/apple.html |
| 03:28.00 | mystic_pinguin | diafic_ what part you dont understand? |
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| 03:28.18 | diafic_ | ... all of it |
| 03:28.29 | diafic_ | it doesn't meet english syntax |
| 03:28.38 | diafic_ | and my brain isn't very good at parsing it |
| 03:28.53 | diafic_ | it'd be better if someone could make a language based on english that used XML syntax :P |
| 03:28.59 | diafic_ | *coffee |
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| 03:29.04 | diafic_ | and yes, thats a good idea :P |
| 03:29.32 | diafic_ | Anyone know how to do underlines with xchat? |
| 03:30.09 | Gorbulas | ey wants to buy some pajamas, but has lost the address |
| 03:30.24 | fsmunoz | mystic_pinguin appears to be suggesting that the community based efforts will overwhelm MS, and that since Unix predates Windows Linux shouldn't fear patents - some sort of twisted prior art logic. Also, he liked dressing in pijamas with penguins. |
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| 03:30.48 | fsmunoz | HTH |
| 03:30.49 | fsmunoz | :) |
| 03:30.53 | petemc | diafic_: prefix and suffix the word with underscores? |
| 03:31.19 | diafic_ | this is a _test_ message |
| 03:31.23 | diafic_ | nothing happened... :/ |
| 03:31.32 | petemc | it appears underlined to me |
| 03:31.33 | mystic_pinguin | finnally someone that understand me :) |
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| 03:31.48 | diafic_ | ... :| |
| 03:31.55 | mystic_pinguin | fsmunoz yes i like blue linux pijamas with penguins sad i dont know where is the link :x |
| 03:32.01 | diafic_ | yeaa... that isn't going to work |
| 03:32.12 | diafic_ | did MS's scrollbar patent 'stick'? |
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| 03:35.37 | Chascon | add chuby_18karencita@hotmail.com KarenS |
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| 03:53.36 | desertc | Hello - I am chasing an issue around from Ubuntu, and I thought I would take a step upstream to see what Debian does in this case. |
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| 03:53.51 | desertc | Does Debian use GNOME as the default GUI ? |
| 03:54.14 | jetx | no |
| 03:54.27 | jetx | and when you ask about another, the answer is also no |
| 03:54.30 | desertc | Thanks for your response. Does it have a default GUI? |
| 03:54.34 | jetx | no |
| 03:54.47 | jetx | it's all text mode by default |
| 03:54.58 | jetx | but you can install whatever you want |
| 03:55.01 | desertc | Hmm! |
| 03:55.43 | jetx | actually |
| 03:55.48 | jetx | that's not exactly true |
| 03:55.57 | desertc | So would it be appropriate to ask what configurations Debian uses in GNOME? |
| 03:56.17 | jetx | tasksel, which i hate, selects a little gnome and a little kde, iirc... i was told no it only does gnome nowadays now |
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| 03:56.26 | drako | actually it comes with gnome but is a iso with xfce |
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| 03:56.48 | jetx | if you d/l the full cd yeah gnome is on it |
| 03:57.02 | drako | but there is an iso* |
| 03:57.25 | jetx | iso, cd ,... iso to burn to cd is more like it |
| 03:57.38 | jetx | but what he said |
| 03:57.52 | jetx | and what you mean by default config i don't know |
| 03:57.59 | damog | download a dvd iso on jigdo, it rocks! |
| 03:58.09 | jetx | it's just like it comes... and i usually don't install gnome just some gnome stuff |
| 03:58.39 | jetx | i'm not average joe like that though. other ppl might give a more general avg |
| 03:59.01 | desertc | Okay - sorry my questions do not have straight forward answers - Well, here's the question, in Ubuntu, GNOME uses Totem media player, which does not have DVD playback capabilities (unencrypted or encrypted). The work around is to get people to install xine and DeCSS. I was wondering if this was the same work around on Debian. Or if you had any insight into when gstreamer was going to support DVD playback again. |
| 03:59.29 | jetx | !ask |
| 03:59.30 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 03:59.32 | jetx | :) |
| 04:00.00 | jetx | i've not liked totem since it came into debian, so once again i'm not the guy to ask :) |
| 04:00.19 | jetx | i use xine-ui :) |
| 04:00.32 | jetx | but to get libdvdcss2 you have to enable other repos |
| 04:00.39 | jetx | !debian-multimedia |
| 04:00.39 | dpkg | from memory, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 04:00.41 | drako | i don't like totem either |
| 04:01.17 | desertc | So, if I understand the conversation correctly, Debian does not so much recommend applications or even a UI configuration. The user has much more discression on what packages make up their Debian installation. |
| 04:02.27 | jetx | desertc: tasksel runs unless you know enough to not let it, so there is a default xorg installed |
| 04:02.35 | jetx | it pains me to say that |
| 04:02.49 | damog | tasksel reminds me dselect |
| 04:02.58 | desertc | The burr I have in my boot is the fact everyone encourages people to install DeCSS, but I would say it would be better to encourage people to use unencrypted DVDs, like ones they get from friends who make their own. |
| 04:03.02 | jetx | what you want to know is contained in the tasksel configuration i believe, as to what gets installed |
| 04:03.03 | damog | i don't know why actually, heh |
| 04:03.17 | jetx | dselect rocks, tasksel doesn't |
| 04:03.27 | drako | ppl used to dislike dselect in the old days |
| 04:03.37 | jetx | they still do |
| 04:03.41 | damog | in my opinion, dselect was cryptic and chaotic |
| 04:03.46 | jetx | there's me and one other guy afaik who still uses it |
| 04:04.19 | jetx | if it had had a collapsible tree in the package list there would never have been any complaints i don't think... or not near as many |
| 04:04.25 | jetx | the internals are ++ |
| 04:05.33 | desertc | Well, I'd also like to add that I have a lot of respect for the Debian maintainers, especially seeing how much the Ubuntu maintainers rely on the Debian upstream for their releases. I am always encouraging package maintainers to do a good job with Debian relations, plus, you never know what will happen with commercial companies. Debian is the rock that Ubuntu users stand up on to keep above the water. Thanks for your efforts. |
| 04:05.58 | jetx | i've even proven in this channel that dselect can resolv dependencies that aptitude can't and not apt-get -f either |
| 04:06.08 | jetx | but the witness declines to remember |
| 04:06.23 | desertc | jetx: Thanks for your time. |
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| 04:06.42 | jetx | heh |
| 04:06.47 | jetx | interview? |
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| 04:09.38 | drako | i like dselect but im trying to stick with aptitude since im on etch |
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| 04:09.51 | damog | everyone should 0:) |
| 04:09.55 | drako | and it keeps removing my packages for no reason but i think i m doing things wrong |
| 04:10.10 | drako | damog, pinche guey :P |
| 04:10.35 | jetx | i tried aptitude when it first came into debian... i used --with-suggests --with-recommends ... i never touched it again |
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| 04:11.41 | damog | !es |
| 04:11.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:12.30 | jetx | no ay ingles |
| 04:13.37 | drako | :P |
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| 04:14.15 | assasukasse | morning all |
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| 04:18.01 | twb | Ah'm stupid |
| 04:18.29 | twb | I installed tftpd-hpa and turned it on in /etc/default/tftpd-hpa, and then invoked the init script with the "start" argument. |
| 04:18.42 | twb | But I can't netcat into port 69 on the loopback interface. |
| 04:22.40 | RockerMONO | how do you unmount a drive? |
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| 04:22.56 | jetx | umount |
| 04:22.59 | grendal_prime | ok werid turn of events..upgraded from sarge to etch, mouse was causeing a problem and x was not loading. I fixed the mouse problem by adding mousedev to the /etc/moduels file. Now the mouse and the keyboard do not work on the machine..x fires up and the desktop loads. but no mouse and keyboard. Anyone have a clue what could be causeing that? |
| 04:23.15 | twb | RockerMONO: umount <mountpoint> |
| 04:23.19 | RockerMONO | k |
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| 04:23.52 | grendal_prime | usbmouse i believe and ps2 keyboard..the machine im dealing with is remote |
| 04:24.18 | jetx | Option"Device""/dev/input/mice" |
| 04:24.29 | twb | jetx: that's for USB mice... |
| 04:24.29 | jetx | grep dev/input/mice /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 04:24.40 | jetx | no it's for all now |
| 04:25.05 | jetx | oh i didn't mean to put /exec -o just /exec :) |
| 04:25.07 | jetx | oopsies |
| 04:25.32 | jetx | you can still use /dev/psaux but input/mice will work for both |
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| 04:26.05 | jetx | grendal_prime: maybe you need to apt-get install xserver-xorg-modules-all or whatever the name is |
| 04:26.06 | cyzie | hello, my laptop sound card can only output 1 sound at 1 time. Is there anyone encounter this situation before and how to fix this? |
| 04:26.08 | jetx | not sure |
| 04:26.17 | twb | jetx: neato |
| 04:26.22 | grendal_prime | Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" is in there |
| 04:26.25 | jetx | cyzie: sounds like it's using oss not alsa but no idea |
| 04:26.48 | twb | cyzie: check that nothing is muted in alsamixer(1) |
| 04:26.52 | cyzie | jetx, how do i verify it ? |
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| 04:27.10 | cyzie | twb, yes, nothing is muted |
| 04:27.32 | jetx | xserver-xorg-input-all |
| 04:27.53 | jetx | grendal_prime: try installing that |
| 04:28.02 | jetx | if it's installed already... :/ |
| 04:28.10 | jetx | or maybe reinstall... hey |
| 04:28.21 | jetx | grendal_prime: try aptitude install xorg |
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| 04:29.58 | grendal_prime | funny both of those are alredy installed |
| 04:30.04 | jetx | ah well |
| 04:30.08 | jetx | was a thought |
| 04:30.10 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 04:30.41 | jetx | stalk gravity and spam him when he types :) j/k don't spam him |
| 04:30.56 | twb | grendal_prime: does the keyboard work on the console? |
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| 04:33.38 | twb | Argh, I'm stupid |
| 04:33.40 | grendal_prime | you know i have not checked that..i was thinking about that at dinner...ill get them to take a look at that. |
| 04:33.46 | twb | TFTP is UDP-based, need nc -u |
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| 04:35.35 | frankr | This mini-tablet I'm on has a CF card slot, and for a while it was being detected as hdc, but now it isn't, and I don't see anything in dmesg about hdc |
| 04:35.42 | frankr | the device just isn't in /dev anymore I'm not sure why |
| 04:35.59 | frankr | this happened when I tried to use a 4gb microdrive with it formatted with ext3 instead of fat |
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| 04:36.37 | jimmy | debian rules |
| 04:37.27 | twb | jimmy: no trolling please. |
| 04:37.41 | robboplus | do you happen to know if cedega runs properly on 64bit processors? |
| 04:38.18 | frankr | robboplus: wine does, so theoretically, yes. You should check Cegeda site though |
| 04:38.18 | jimmy | trolling |
| 04:38.18 | frankr | cedega rather |
| 04:38.18 | jimmy | what does it mean |
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| 04:38.51 | robboplus | jimmy writing out tons of nonsense without a reason |
| 04:38.54 | jimmy | what does trolling mean |
| 04:39.05 | robboplus | frankr hm |
| 04:39.20 | jetx | !troll |
| 04:39.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, troll is [troll] In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. |
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| 04:39.48 | jimmy | :S |
| 04:39.52 | jimmy | what does troll mena |
| 04:39.55 | jimmy | mean* |
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| 04:40.04 | jimmy | in spanish language |
| 04:40.05 | RockerMONO | gr.... how do i install SVN on debian? |
| 04:40.06 | frankr | jimmy: It is time for the stfuing. |
| 04:40.06 | jetx | !ops jimmy can't understand english |
| 04:40.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jetx complains about: jimmy can't understand english |
| 04:40.08 | jetx | oh |
| 04:40.26 | jetx | jimmy: pendejo, guey, cabrone.... otra... |
| 04:40.27 | twb | !es |
| 04:40.27 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:40.28 | jimmy | I have never heard that fucking weird word in my life |
| 04:40.35 | frankr | RockerMONO: apt-get install subversion ? |
| 04:40.38 | Supaplex | oh noes, we have to understand engrish now? we're all doomed. ;) |
| 04:40.39 | jetx | jimmy: read lord of the rings |
| 04:40.47 | RockerMONO | frankr: thanks |
| 04:40.58 | jetx | Supaplex: he was told and still asked, but then said spanish |
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| 04:41.20 | Supaplex | sarcasm. my bad! |
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| 04:41.26 | Supaplex | :) *nod* |
| 04:41.30 | twb | !mea culpa |
| 04:41.36 | twb | Bah. |
| 04:41.58 | jimmy | jetx, deja de ser tan maricon |
| 04:42.01 | jimmy | xD |
| 04:42.23 | jimmy | debian rules! |
| 04:42.27 | twb | Sigh. |
| 04:42.32 | jetx | no, maricon esta un hombre quien quieres hombres |
| 04:42.44 | jetx | troll esta differente |
| 04:42.44 | jimmy | ents |
| 04:42.49 | jimmy | eres un joto |
| 04:42.52 | jetx | mi espanol sucks |
| 04:43.18 | jetx | esta possible derek sabes |
| 04:43.19 | jimmy | that's good for me |
| 04:43.23 | jetx | en #debian-es |
| 04:43.23 | jimmy | xD |
| 04:43.26 | jetx | o ratones |
| 04:43.52 | jimmy | :-/ |
| 04:44.04 | jetx | !babelfish |
| 04:44.08 | twb | Just pxe-e61 to mission amigo ii, season seldom became actual. Usually, bride escaped to editor is early airtight. Some pxe-e61 nod jolly dreams; gadgets ghostwrite to |
| 04:44.09 | twb | germinate simple but the most glossy polynesians separation especially instruction they imprint. In most counters the inspire is amazingly stickman necessary debtor |
| 04:44.09 | jetx | heh |
| 04:44.11 | twb | desired cutter spit you bear to guard them somehow (like hued lesion treatments) the belong hammers judgmental cousin track tap more waxings are done. However, plumps |
| 04:44.29 | jetx | you don't say |
| 04:44.39 | jetx | very... disassociative |
| 04:44.43 | twb | Oops |
| 04:44.50 | twb | Dunno what happened there |
| 04:44.56 | frankr | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:45.09 | twb | I think I musta type C-a ] somehow |
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| 04:46.01 | jimmy | am |
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| 04:46.23 | grendal_prime | ya so...the keyboard does not even work on a console and it was working before i started the upgrade, and i had someone check and it is pluged in still..this is werid ass |
| 04:46.28 | jimmy | lets spam |
| 04:46.29 | jimmy | here |
| 04:46.48 | jetx | yes do that... do it a lot.. now. |
| 04:46.57 | jimmy | a |
| 04:46.58 | frankr | Anyone have any idea about my problem? |
| 04:46.58 | jimmy | a |
| 04:47.02 | frankr | ... |
| 04:47.07 | jimmy | now im not stupid |
| 04:47.12 | K`zan | where are the configuration files for the ethernet stuff, just installed and god knows where it is comming up with the ethernet config, even fixing it with networking tools isn't working. Got to be in /etc/ someplace?!? |
| 04:47.13 | Daemon-- | dont suppose anyone here is a guru with iptables? |
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| 04:47.26 | frankr | jimmy: It is very much time for the stfu. |
| 04:47.33 | frankr | in fact stfu time has come and passed. |
| 04:47.42 | twb | !anybody > Daemon-- |
| 04:47.50 | jimmy | :-$ |
| 04:47.57 | jimmy | lets spam then |
| 04:48.11 | Daemon-- | twb - is that you saying you are? |
| 04:48.17 | frankr | I have a CF slot in my tablet, and it used to be at /dev/hdc but now its no longer there; anyone know what the problem could be? |
| 04:48.32 | twb | frankr: nope |
| 04:48.38 | twb | frankr: missing kernel module? |
| 04:48.45 | streuner_ | jimmy: Do you have nothing better to do? |
| 04:48.50 | twb | frankr: card not physically seated properly? |
| 04:48.58 | jimmy | no |
| 04:49.01 | jimmy | sincerely |
| 04:49.07 | jimmy | no I don't |
| 04:49.09 | jimmy | xD |
| 04:49.13 | jimmy | how did you know |
| 04:49.15 | jimmy | ? |
| 04:49.16 | jimmy | xD |
| 04:49.18 | twb | jimmy: I'm psychic |
| 04:49.22 | streuner_ | read a book, make some sports, or just install Debian |
| 04:49.23 | jimmy | wooow |
| 04:49.24 | frankr | twb: well it worked before.. and I tried 2 different cards of 2 different sizes |
| 04:49.27 | frankr | one is slightly thicker |
| 04:49.41 | jetx | cyzie: lsmod | less ... look for snd_ if you don't see any, it's oss ... sorry i missed you asking |
| 04:49.47 | Daemon-- | would anyone be able to help me setup iptables for multiple ip's running on one nic with different configurations for each ip? |
| 04:49.51 | twb | frankr: what else have you changed? |
| 04:49.58 | jetx | or lsmod | grep snd |
| 04:50.06 | frankr | twb: other then trying the different CF card.. nothing that I can think of |
| 04:51.02 | jetx | frankr: depending on what you're using, the new libata stuff seems to make a lot of stuff sda ... my cd is now /dev/scd0 instead of /dev/hdb... |
| 04:51.19 | jetx | and all my hdx's are sdx's |
| 04:51.24 | jimmy | I think he's gone |
| 04:51.27 | jimmy | xD |
| 04:51.29 | jetx | o |
| 04:51.54 | jimmy | windows vista rules! |
| 04:51.57 | jimmy | xD |
| 04:52.03 | RockerMONO | jimmy: stupid place to say that.... |
| 04:52.10 | jimmy | yes It does |
| 04:52.11 | RockerMONO | =] |
| 04:52.19 | jimmy | mmm.. |
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| 04:52.22 | frankr | oops |
| 04:52.22 | jimmy | jimmy rules |
| 04:52.25 | frankr | back no |
| 04:52.28 | jimmy | JIMMY RULES!! |
| 04:52.31 | jetx | frankr: depending on what you're using, the new libata stuff seems to make a lot of stuff sda ... my cd is now /dev/scd0 instead of /dev/hdb... |
| 04:52.35 | frankr | !ops kick jimmy |
| 04:52.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: frankr complains about: kick jimmy |
| 04:52.45 | RockerMONO | !ops kick jimmy |
| 04:52.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: rockermono complains about: kick jimmy |
| 04:52.52 | jetx | uh |
| 04:52.53 | K`zan | Anyone know where the ethernet configuration files are - gnome network manager is doing VERY strange things... |
| 04:52.54 | jimmy | ME RULES! |
| 04:52.59 | jetx | usually you give what he's doing... |
| 04:53.01 | frankr | jetx: well, I havn't upgraded since when it was working, and there are no sd* devices either |
| 04:53.10 | frankr | !ops jimmy is a troll |
| 04:53.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: frankr complains about: jimmy is a troll |
| 04:53.13 | frankr | there you go :P |
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| 04:53.44 | jetx | i think he meant your !ops was overkill |
| 04:53.56 | jetx | not sure |
| 04:54.02 | frankr | wth? I didn't get a kick message or anything |
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| 04:54.10 | frankr | a. I only did it twice, b. sorry |
| 04:54.13 | frankr | regardless |
| 04:54.14 | jetx | or he might have just missed the target |
| 04:54.20 | jimmy | I RULE!! BECAUSE IM A TROLL |
| 04:54.22 | jetx | no idea |
| 04:54.28 | streuner_ | LoRez: "Jimmy" is the troll... |
| 04:54.30 | jetx | jimmy: you will be banned soon |
| 04:54.32 | frankr | haha |
| 04:54.36 | jetx | i believe |
| 04:54.44 | Ronin | jimmy:go play elsewhere please |
| 04:54.46 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@201.163.76.110] by LoRez |
| 04:54.55 | Ronin | never mind |
| 04:54.58 | streuner_ | thanks LoRez |
| 04:55.11 | frankr | I think this message might have something to do with it - cs: warning: no high memory space available! |
| 04:55.14 | jetx | yay team |
| 04:55.16 | frankr | its in dmesg |
| 04:55.22 | jetx | frankr: i get that, works fine |
| 04:55.29 | jetx | it's working now |
| 04:55.30 | frankr | huh |
| 04:55.34 | jetx | wireless pcmcia |
| 04:55.49 | frankr | I think the CF slot is detected as a pcmcia slot |
| 04:56.03 | frankr | b/c it shows pccard: card ejected from slot 1 |
| 04:56.07 | frankr | when I remove it |
| 04:56.21 | frankr | but it doesn't put it on hdc which is odd b/c it did it before |
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| 04:57.04 | inaety | hello, for some reason my sound is so full of bass i can't even hear Dave Matthews singing... and i my alsa mixer *looks* okay |
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| 04:58.02 | frankr | I'm gonna reboot with the card in the slot.. see if that has any affect |
| 04:58.06 | twb | inaety: that's a feature :P |
| 04:58.19 | inaety | twb! haha |
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| 04:59.16 | jetx | the special effects are a lot louder than the dialog for me |
| 04:59.32 | jetx | i wind up turning down the bass also |
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| 05:00.19 | jetx | wtf day changed to 05 aug 2007? |
| 05:00.22 | inaety | how can i fix it tugh |
| 05:01.01 | lightning | i can't set terminal font for the life of me |
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| 05:01.21 | twb | lightning: install console-setup |
| 05:01.35 | twb | lightning: oh wait, you mean a terminal EMULATOR, in X? |
| 05:05.14 | inaety | my alsa speakers are only sendingo ut bass? how can i fix this |
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| 05:06.20 | frankr | yeah its just b/c it doesn't like the 4gb microdrive |
| 05:06.24 | frankr | dunno why |
| 05:06.54 | RockerMONO | why would lighttpd return php files as PHTML? |
| 05:07.52 | jetx | there are some flash card modules that are manuf. specific, but that's all i know |
| 05:07.58 | jetx | grep /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 05:08.05 | jetx | for something |
| 05:08.10 | jetx | and see if it's loaded |
| 05:08.25 | jetx | and if it's not load it if it matches that card/drive |
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| 05:09.08 | jetx | what i do is install modconf and browse the modules |
| 05:10.19 | twb | jetx: |
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| 05:10.23 | twb | Gah, sorry. |
| 05:10.41 | alekz | How can I boot an .iso file from a Debian SID box? |
| 05:10.57 | jetx | boot, or mount |
| 05:11.03 | twb | alekz: burn it to a bootable medium, such as a CD or HDD |
| 05:11.16 | jetx | you could mount it and chroot in maybe |
| 05:11.35 | alekz | I want to boot it from hdd, is that possible? |
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| 05:11.50 | frankr | alekz: no, or if it is, its much more difficult then just burning it |
| 05:12.07 | jetx | you can do that with a kanotix iso .... i suppose you could with pure debian, but i don't know exactly how |
| 05:12.34 | alekz | jetx so I should install kanotix ? |
| 05:12.43 | twb | jetx: di wgat> |
| 05:12.47 | twb | jetx: do what? |
| 05:12.50 | lightning | twb: yes, xterm in x |
| 05:12.52 | twb | Stupid keyboard. |
| 05:13.03 | RockerMONO | why does Lighttpd return PHP as PHTML? |
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| 05:13.06 | twb | lightning: set the appropriate X resource. |
| 05:13.11 | Joint | hey people |
| 05:13.16 | jetx | alekz: that would let you run kanotix from a kanotix iso which was on an hd |
| 05:13.19 | lightning | twb: that't just the think, i can't set it properly |
| 05:13.25 | lightning | i'll find a solution, bbl |
| 05:13.26 | lightning | thanks |
| 05:13.26 | Joint | can someone help me |
| 05:13.27 | jetx | alekz: you should read the kanotix docs on it |
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| 05:13.31 | Joint | [3 |
| 05:13.36 | jetx | kanotix.org or .com i forget |
| 05:13.37 | twb | lightning: echo XTerm*font: -schumacher-clean-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-60-iso10646-1 >>~/.Xdefaults && xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults |
| 05:13.49 | jetx | he left, twb |
| 05:13.57 | twb | Yeah, damn fool |
| 05:14.12 | alekz | thanks jetx let me google :) |
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| 05:14.39 | lightning | back |
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| 05:16.06 | frankr | I'm having the weirdest problem with fluxbox.. it keeps renaming workspace 2 to workspace 3.. so I end up with 1, 3, 3, 4 |
| 05:16.15 | lightning | odd |
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| 05:16.18 | frankr | I renamed all of em to just 1, 2, 3, 4, and it happened again |
| 05:16.25 | frankr | 2 became 3 |
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| 05:16.38 | twb | lightning: echo XTerm*font: -schumacher-clean-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-60-iso10646-1 >>~/.Xdefaults && xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults |
| 05:17.43 | RockerMONO | gr....doesn't anyone know why Lighttpd would return PHP files as PHTML? |
| 05:17.52 | twb | #lighttpd on Freenode |
| 05:17.58 | RockerMONO | k |
| 05:18.36 | twb | Graah |
| 05:19.02 | jetx | graah this is freenode? |
| 05:19.06 | twb | No. |
| 05:19.14 | twb | Graah because PXE isn't doing its job |
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| 05:20.29 | RockerMONO | twb: erm.... #Lighttpd is not responsive at all -_- |
| 05:20.40 | jetx | wait? |
| 05:20.50 | RockerMONO | jetx: what? |
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| 05:21.10 | jetx | it's saturday night around this part of the world |
| 05:21.16 | jetx | ppl party |
| 05:21.22 | RockerMONO | it's sunday morning here =p |
| 05:21.24 | RockerMONO | 1:21AM! |
| 05:21.25 | RockerMONO | lol |
| 05:21.35 | twb | Weekends are for pro bono work |
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| 05:21.43 | lightning | twb: wow, thanks |
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| 05:24.49 | jetx | is there a shortcut in irssi for /window next and /window prev ? |
| 05:25.12 | cyzie | jetx, yes, i have snd loaded. |
| 05:25.21 | lightning | xterm savelines, lol |
| 05:25.25 | lightning | what do you guys have it set at? |
| 05:25.32 | cyzie | jetx, it has sound, but only 1 sound at 1 time. |
| 05:25.51 | jetx | cyzie: i'm not a sound expert sorry :/ |
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| 05:26.38 | cyzie | jetx, that's fine. i have 2 laptops where the other one totally no sounds. anyway, sound on laptop just dont work perfectly on me in laptop. |
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| 05:27.16 | lightning | where are x menu font settings stored? |
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| 05:27.40 | jetx | cyzie: you can also ask in ##linux , and in here when it's more active, and #debian on oftc |
| 05:27.50 | cyzie | ok |
| 05:29.05 | twb | lightning: what is an `x menu'? |
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| 05:32.14 | frankr | I need a really simple editor with syntax highlighting, that's really lightweight, also that isn't vi. any ideas? |
| 05:32.43 | jetx | i like gedit for that, all i know... don't think it would be 'lightweight' but maybe |
| 05:33.11 | jetx | nedit? |
| 05:33.19 | jetx | !find editor |
| 05:33.27 | twb | ,mg |
| 05:33.29 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'editor' (8 of 47): (/usr/bin/poeditor) in text/poedit ;; (/etc/ire/editor.ini) in games/ire-ed ;; (/usr/bin/kmdr-editor) in kde/kommander ;; (/usr/games/mordor-editor) in games/mordor ;; (/usr/bin/kxmleditor) in editors/kxmleditor ;; (/usr/bin/sql-editor) in editors/sql-editor ;; (/usr/bin/kdevprofileeditor) in kde/kdevelop ;; (/usr/bin/soya_editor) in python/python-soya. |
| 05:33.32 | twb | OOps. |
| 05:33.55 | twb | jetx: he said a *lightweight* editor! GTK isn't lightweight! |
| 05:34.29 | twb | frankr: mg is half the size of nvi and emulates the GNU Emacs look and feel. |
| 05:34.49 | cyzie | frankr, vi is very lightight! |
| 05:34.52 | cyzie | lightweight |
| 05:35.00 | jetx | die vi die |
| 05:35.21 | twb | cyzie: which implementation? |
| 05:35.30 | twb | vim is several megabytes |
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| 05:36.24 | evil_andy | My software raid5 array just started rebuilding itself for seemingly no reason... anyone know where I should start to look for answers? I've tried syslog and /var/log/messages and there's very little help |
| 05:36.28 | twb | nvi's install size is 684kB, mg's is 238kB |
| 05:37.06 | metrics | ed is pretty lightweight ;) |
| 05:37.12 | cyzie | twb, i use gvim for daily usage. well, vi is pretty lightweight considering what if offer as well as it is gneerally available to mostly all distro |
| 05:37.27 | twb | cyzie: gvim is no way lightweight |
| 05:37.37 | twb | It requires an X server and GTK libraries to be installed |
| 05:37.40 | cyzie | twb, yes, im takling vi not gvim |
| 05:37.50 | twb | cyzie: which vi |
| 05:38.57 | evil_andy | I'm just really worried because it seems that it started rebuilding for no apparent reason, and I have no way to back up the data... |
| 05:39.07 | evil_andy | (its a 1.2TB array, I have nowhere to put it) |
| 05:39.29 | twb | evil_andy: I know why |
| 05:39.37 | twb | evil_andy: first sunday of every month it happens |
| 05:39.43 | twb | evil_andy: /etc/cron.d/mdadm |
| 05:39.49 | twb | evil_andy: I don't know WHY |
| 05:39.57 | twb | But that's what causes it. |
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| 05:40.20 | evil_andy | twb, you win a prize. I'm not going to have a heart attack LOL! Thanks :) |
| 05:40.41 | twb | evil_andy: I did the same thing last month |
| 05:40.49 | twb | Went out and bought a second array |
| 05:41.04 | jetx | hey since you have an extra... |
| 05:41.09 | evil_andy | twb, LOL, so... my raid array is having its period? interesting... (yeah, 400GB drives still aren't cheap lol) |
| 05:41.13 | jetx | you could donate it to the jetx.org charity |
| 05:41.19 | twb | I'm choosing to assume it's not a BAD thing because it's happened twice in the last two months |
| 05:41.22 | evil_andy | thanks a bunch, that makes me much more at ease |
| 05:41.44 | twb | jetx: well, I put the old array to use as /var/cache |
| 05:41.47 | Internat85 | 500g drives are cheap as though |
| 05:41.57 | twb | Internat85: FSVO cheap |
| 05:41.58 | jetx | lol |
| 05:42.05 | Internat85 | lol |
| 05:42.13 | Internat85 | well 150$AUD is cheap |
| 05:42.14 | evil_andy | Internat85, well, when you've been laid off... computer equipment in general isn't cheap :) |
| 05:42.28 | twb | Internat85: where did you see that? |
| 05:42.34 | evil_andy | twb, thanks again |
| 05:42.45 | Internat85 | thats what i bough on thursday :P |
| 05:43.32 | Internat85 | www.umart.com.au :) |
| 05:44.02 | metrics | Wow, another umart junkie :) |
| 05:44.17 | twb | I use MSY |
| 05:44.28 | twb | I'm trying to fetch their price list now. |
| 05:44.38 | Internat85 | isnt it msy that have a $hit website? |
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| 05:45.03 | twb | Hmm, AUD179 for 500GB |
| 05:45.19 | Internat85 | 179 was what umart had for the WestDIg's |
| 05:45.30 | Internat85 | but 150 was what they are offering 500g samsungs for |
| 05:45.43 | twb | AUD179 for Seagates |
| 05:45.45 | inaety | what is MSY? |
| 05:45.57 | Internat85 | a company with a cr5ap site.. |
| 05:45.59 | twb | curl -s http://msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS_W.HTM | perl -0 -p -e 's,</?(o|st1):[^>]+>,,g; s|<([^>[:space:]]+)[^>]*>|<$1>|g; s,</?(meta|link|stylespan|div|b|i|a)>,,g; s|<table>|<table border="1" style="border-collapse: collapse">|g' >tmp.html |
| 05:46.13 | Internat85 | lol u have a script thats funny |
| 05:46.23 | twb | I don't care about what their site looks like, I care about prices |
| 05:46.34 | twb | I don't want to pay another 5% so they can afford a nice site |
| 05:46.49 | Internat85 | yeah i think umart.com has a shit site.. but still |
| 05:46.53 | Internat85 | msy was worse |
| 05:47.08 | twb | And after that, it's really easy to grep the cleaned up page :-) |
| 05:47.15 | twb | Beats using some ajax shite |
| 05:47.35 | inaety | is there anyway to order from there? |
| 05:47.40 | twb | NFI |
| 05:47.48 | twb | I'm too cheap to do postage |
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| 05:48.02 | streuner | hehe |
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| 05:49.57 | cafuego | i hear it takes forever to get served at msy |
| 05:50.07 | jetx | man that rocks |
| 05:50.45 | inaety | msy sounds really cocky |
| 05:50.46 | jetx | wft |
| 05:51.02 | twb | cafuego: it does |
| 05:51.13 | twb | There's usually a line of like 12 people |
| 05:51.19 | jetx | cool zomg perl -0 -p -e 's,</?(o|st1):[^>]+>,,g; s|<([^>[:space:]]+)[^>]*>|<$1>|g; s,</?(meta|link|stylespan|div|b|i|a)>,,g; s|<table>|<table border="1" style="border-collapse: collapse">|g' |
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| 05:51.46 | twb | jetx: I'm sure there's a reason I didn't use sed, but I can't remember it. |
| 05:51.55 | twb | CPL charge more |
| 05:52.13 | cafuego | I know, but I spend less time getting there and waiting in line. |
| 05:52.18 | twb | True |
| 05:52.24 | inaety | what is cpl |
| 05:52.43 | twb | inaety: Computer Parts Land |
| 05:52.55 | cafuego | Tecs have taken over an even smaller local (formerly computer super market) here too |
| 05:53.02 | cafuego | Not checked their pricing tho |
| 05:53.03 | user592 | anyone know if debian installer copies all kernel modules to hard drive during installation? I just recompiled my kernel using oldconig and the debian package created was 218MB. Is all this installed during installation? |
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| 05:53.44 | twb | user592: sure |
| 05:53.53 | cafuego | user592: It does, unless you tell it to not compile for hardware you don't have |
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| 05:54.03 | cafuego | user592: 218mb is huge |
| 05:54.31 | metrics | Absolutely massive |
| 05:54.55 | cafuego | A kernel with all options I need for any given machine tends to be around 1.5Mb |
| 05:55.00 | streuner | no, 1 TB pr0n _is_ massive ;-) |
| 05:55.10 | metrics | The default packages are ~18 meg. |
| 05:55.18 | metrics | 53 meg when installed. |
| 05:55.20 | cafuego | streuner: feh, my pr0n is bigger than your pr0n |
| 05:55.21 | user592 | caguego, metrics: I just used the default .config file on /boot. I was just curious to see how much sh** is there by default |
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| 05:55.33 | cafuego | user592: L O T S :-) |
| 05:55.43 | metrics | Not shit...just stuff for everyone. |
| 05:55.53 | jetx | /lib/modules/2.6.21 is only 48megs |
| 05:56.07 | cafuego | metrics: The datafab usb driver truly is shit, and it'll be in there. |
| 05:56.10 | user592 | cafuego: also - this isn't the kernel size.. just the package size created.. includes modules and stuff |
| 05:56.42 | metrics | cafuego: Well, maybe some people like shitty drivers ;) |
| 05:57.07 | user592 | hmm... I just did du -hs /lib/modules and it's only 99MB... strange |
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| 05:58.56 | cafuego | Actually, the driver is probably fine, the hardware sucks. |
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| 05:59.49 | streuner | cafuego: hehe :-) |
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| 06:01.45 | acu | I want to setup an email server - which one is the easiest to setup? very few mailusers (preferably with a GUI) |
| 06:02.01 | streuner | oh |
| 06:02.06 | streuner | that sucks too :-) |
| 06:02.41 | user592 | acu: I remember setting up exim.. it was really straight forward (can't remmeber how to do it now though). It used to be the default MTA |
| 06:03.05 | twb | acu: why do you want a GUI? |
| 06:03.10 | streuner | acu: i think most of them using php (webmailers) |
| 06:03.54 | streuner | if you have to ask how to setup a MTA, you shouldnt run one at all |
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| 06:04.12 | user592 | acu: are you looking for something like squirrelmail? |
| 06:04.16 | streuner | sure |
| 06:04.34 | streuner | or ilohamail, but they are all php... |
| 06:04.52 | acu | streuner: I have php5 enabled |
| 06:05.03 | streuner | fine |
| 06:05.11 | acu | twb: I supose GUI will make easier to configure |
| 06:05.27 | twb | acu: do you want a mail server, or a mail CLIENT with a web interface? |
| 06:05.28 | acu | I used to setup Exchange Server (Micro$oft) |
| 06:05.47 | acu | twb: I want a server |
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| 06:06.09 | streuner | he prolly want webmin with exim (configuration), but thats not in Debian anymore (webmin) |
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| 06:06.33 | Joint | hey |
| 06:06.43 | user592 | streuner: do you know what the preferred/default mta for debian is now? I know it used to be exim |
| 06:06.45 | acu | I have a domain www.nameofmysite.org and I want to setup so I can have mail acu@nameofmysite.org |
| 06:06.49 | Joint | VGa compatible controller: ATI technologies Inc 3d Rage pro rev 5c |
| 06:06.52 | twb | acu: Unix does not do things by GUI, because it would require GUI software to run as root, which is an unnecessary security risk |
| 06:06.56 | streuner | exim |
| 06:07.00 | twb | Also it's boring |
| 06:07.04 | Joint | thats my video card i've try with vga radeon and ati |
| 06:07.04 | user592 | exim? or exim4? |
| 06:07.06 | Joint | but is not working |
| 06:07.07 | Joint | any ideas? |
| 06:07.08 | acu | twb: lol |
| 06:07.24 | jetx | isn't there a rage? |
| 06:07.35 | sebdah | exit4 |
| 06:07.35 | jetx | it's exim4 atm |
| 06:07.42 | Joint | any ideas? |
| 06:07.44 | sebdah | exim* |
| 06:07.51 | Joint | i nned to run x on this pc |
| 06:07.56 | Joint | *need |
| 06:08.05 | lightning | what is "lo" |
| 06:08.13 | twb | lightning: in what context? |
| 06:08.14 | sebdah | lightning: loopback, 127.0.0.1 |
| 06:08.15 | jetx | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config if that's needed to know |
| 06:08.32 | lightning | sebdah: is it necessary to have? |
| 06:08.36 | twb | Joint: what is the problem? |
| 06:08.37 | sebdah | lightning: it's your computers own address - it can reach it self via that one |
| 06:08.40 | sebdah | lightning: yeah |
| 06:08.45 | Joint | twb well my X isnt working |
| 06:08.51 | Joint | i've try with several drivers |
| 06:08.53 | Joint | but nothing |
| 06:09.03 | sebdah | lightning: is there a reason you don't want it? |
| 06:09.11 | lightning | what's with the periods after some things like lo on bootup |
| 06:09.15 | twb | Joint: what do you mean "tried several drivers"? |
| 06:09.26 | Joint | i've try vga radeon ati |
| 06:09.30 | Joint | and it doesn't worked |
| 06:09.31 | twb | Joint: what do you mean "tried several drivers"? |
| 06:09.39 | user592 | lightninglightning: sounds like a loader problem |
| 06:09.42 | jetx | isn't there a rage |
| 06:10.00 | twb | jetx: he should be using the "ati" driver, which will automatically select rage/radeon/whatever |
| 06:10.00 | sebdah | lightning: maybe you see the process when the computer tries to get addresses |
| 06:10.08 | jetx | ah.. brb |
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| 06:10.26 | lightning | i'm really not sure, i just thought maybe processes with "." weren't needed |
| 06:10.45 | twb | lightning: I have no idea where you are seeing this text appear |
| 06:10.54 | lightning | during bootup |
| 06:11.08 | twb | WHERE during bootup? |
| 06:11.22 | Joint | i have a ppc so the X isnt working at all |
| 06:11.22 | lightning | that i do not know |
| 06:11.28 | user592 | lightning: how far along bootup does it get till you see this? |
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| 06:11.47 | lightning | just before the login prompt |
| 06:12.01 | twb | The console login prompt? |
| 06:12.07 | lightning | yes |
| 06:12.20 | twb | Find the message in /var/log/syslog, then tell me exactly what it says. |
| 06:12.27 | user592 | lightning: so it eventually does boot up fine... you are just wondering what this means? |
| 06:12.57 | lightning | twb: the only reason i question it is that it has a period following it and i thoguht that that perioud means that it's not needed |
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| 06:13.09 | lightning | user592: yes |
| 06:13.30 | twb | lightning: I don't know where you got that idea. |
| 06:13.59 | user592 | lightning: I've never heard of that |
| 06:14.03 | lightning | i don't either, but i got it:D |
| 06:14.09 | sebdah | )= |
| 06:14.12 | sebdah | =)* |
| 06:14.19 | user592 | lightning: are you talking about how hidden files have a precedding '.' ? |
| 06:14.30 | lightning | user592, no |
| 06:14.58 | user592 | lightning: not only have I not heard of that, but I don't recall seeing this 'lo . ' during boot up. |
| 06:15.03 | lightning | user592: like your bootup, when you see "." following process' that load |
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| 06:15.38 | lightning | gah, i ask too many random questions in this channel anyways |
| 06:16.15 | user592 | lightning: hmm... I just did a dmesg and I guess there is a 'lo' there. |
| 06:16.29 | user592 | it says : [520585.234116] lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions |
| 06:16.34 | solar_sea | A fresh debian lenny [i386], any alsa app works under root and doesn't work as a normal user. Does anyone have any ideas how to fix this ? |
| 06:16.40 | lightning | user592: yes. |
| 06:16.45 | lightning | that's what i'm refering to |
| 06:17.04 | lightning | i'm being weird here, ignore me |
| 06:17.29 | twb | solar_sea: add the user to the appropriate groups |
| 06:17.44 | twb | solar_sea: example: uid=1000(twb) gid=100(users) groups=100(users),4(adm),7(lp),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),40(src),44(video),46(plugdev) |
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| 06:18.04 | twb | I'm guessing the `audio' group is the important one |
| 06:18.17 | sciboy | Which web development environment do you recommend? I was hoping for templating of some sort, so far SCREEM and Quanta Plus popped up. |
| 06:19.01 | twb | sciboy: cat |
| 06:19.21 | twb | e.g. cat >index.html |
| 06:20.07 | solar_sea | twb how do I do this, useradd -a -G groups ? |
| 06:20.32 | solar_sea | erm, usermod* |
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| 06:31.11 | streuner | watertea: /nick metbsd - it always helpful that people are able to remember |
| 06:31.56 | streuner | so they don't need to ask basic questions before... |
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| 06:32.27 | watertea | oh |
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| 06:38.30 | jetscreamer | gd same /home looks better on my laptop |
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| 06:53.04 | acu | so I need exim - do I need a database (postgresql?) what are the steps to setup an email server - I googled and what I found is thousands of steps - maybe someone can help me ? |
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| 06:55.59 | CactusMD | anyone use beryl/compiz/compiz-fusion here? |
| 06:56.14 | eeyore- | CactusMD: yeah |
| 06:56.28 | jetscreamer | you don't need a db for exim |
| 06:57.15 | CactusMD | eeyore-: which one do you use? |
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| 06:57.40 | watertea | you can use pgsql as authentication |
| 06:57.40 | eeyore- | CactusMD: beryl |
| 06:58.01 | eeyore- | (with xgl) |
| 06:58.02 | watertea | you need to create database for exim first |
| 06:58.09 | CactusMD | what guide did you use to set it up? |
| 06:58.28 | eeyore- | gentoo-wiki.com |
| 06:58.33 | watertea | then in exim conf file you write some query to get user to authenticate |
| 06:59.36 | CactusMD | you use gentoo? |
| 06:59.52 | eeyore- | CactusMD: yeah, but most docs on gentoo-wiki.com are adaptable |
| 07:00.13 | eeyore- | CactusMD: what specifically are you having problem with? |
| 07:00.19 | CactusMD | ah nevermind then |
| 07:00.41 | eeyore- | ok, your call ... |
| 07:00.44 | CactusMD | i've tried beryl already it just crashed |
| 07:00.51 | CactusMD | and i had everything right according to everyone i asked |
| 07:01.17 | eeyore- | when/how did it crash? |
| 07:01.22 | CactusMD | on startup |
| 07:01.23 | eeyore- | (and, what version of beryl?) |
| 07:01.27 | CactusMD | 2.0 |
| 07:01.44 | eeyore- | nvidia or ati? binary or open-source driver? |
| 07:01.52 | CactusMD | nvidia binary |
| 07:02.27 | eeyore- | XFree or Xorg? |
| 07:02.30 | CactusMD | xorg |
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| 07:02.44 | eeyore- | did you modify Xorg with AIGLX-specific settings? |
| 07:02.58 | CactusMD | no |
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| 07:04.01 | eeyore- | CactusMD: there are four options you need to enable, 1) option "AIGLX" "true", 2) option "DRI" "true", 3) option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "true", 4) option "composite" "Enable" |
| 07:04.13 | CactusMD | i have that |
| 07:04.17 | CactusMD | thought you meant something else |
| 07:04.28 | eeyore- | double-check |
| 07:04.37 | eeyore- | post your xorg.conf somewhere where i can look at |
| 07:05.06 | eeyore- | how do you start Xorg/beryl? gdm? or what? |
| 07:05.09 | CactusMD | http://pastebin.ca/645100 |
| 07:05.10 | CactusMD | kdm |
| 07:05.34 | acu | webmin allows exim configuration ? |
| 07:06.04 | jetscreamer | !find bsd- |
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| 07:06.39 | eeyore- | CactusMD: i don't see setting the DRI / XAANoOffscreenPixmaps, but OK, maybe it's not necessary |
| 07:07.01 | poncha | hi |
| 07:07.05 | poncha | how come all kernel-images available on etch are -amd64 ? |
| 07:07.07 | CactusMD | the #beryl/#compiz-fusion people said just to add that dri section near the bottom |
| 07:07.08 | jetscreamer | openbsd-inetd or inetutils-inetd |
| 07:07.11 | eeyore- | CactusMD: so ... do you run beryl-manager manually? |
| 07:07.18 | jetscreamer | try linux-image poncha |
| 07:07.53 | CactusMD | yeah |
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| 07:07.53 | eeyore- | CactusMD: does beryl-manager complain? |
| 07:07.53 | CactusMD | no |
| 07:07.54 | eeyore- | CactusMD: so where's the crash? |
| 07:08.35 | CactusMD | it doesn't complain, but this happens |
| 07:08.43 | CactusMD | http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1ip9.png |
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| 07:09.25 | eeyore- | what's your window manager? |
| 07:09.27 | CactusMD | then i have to use beryl-manager to get to kwin |
| 07:09.40 | CactusMD | to do anything |
| 07:10.26 | poncha | jetscreamer: same shit... all have either "-amd64" or "-em64" suffix |
| 07:10.40 | eeyore- | CactusMD: i use gnome, not KDE. but, i can imagine the windowmanager you use (kwin?) doesn't handle composite properly? try using native beryl wm |
| 07:10.46 | teksimian | does starting emerald help? |
| 07:11.30 | CactusMD | native beryl wm? |
| 07:11.41 | jetscreamer | poncha: i don't know what repo you're looking in... fix your sources? search better? not sure |
| 07:11.42 | CactusMD | have it start before kwin? |
| 07:12.04 | poncha | jetscreamer: deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 07:12.10 | jetscreamer | !info linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 etch |
| 07:12.13 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.18-4-686: (Linux 2.6.18 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12 (etch), Packaged size: 15937 kB, Installed size: 48656 kB |
| 07:12.22 | jetscreamer | !find linux-image etch |
| 07:12.24 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'linux-image' (12 of 29): linux-image-2.6-486 ;; linux-image-2.6-686 ;; linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem ;; linux-image-2.6-686-smp ;; linux-image-2.6-amd64 ;; linux-image-2.6-k7 ;; linux-image-2.6-k7-smp ;; linux-image-2.6-vserver-686 ;; linux-image-2.6-vserver-k7 ;; linux-image-2.6-xen-686 ;; linux-image-2.6-xen-vserver-686 ;; linux-image-2.6.18-4-486. |
| 07:12.31 | poncha | hm |
| 07:12.40 | jetscreamer | try apt-cache search linux-image |
| 07:12.40 | eeyore- | CactusMD: open kterm, kill kwin, get beryl-manager to choose "Select Window Manager" option |
| 07:12.53 | jetscreamer | add | less |
| 07:12.58 | poncha | i did, it only brings back what i wrote |
| 07:13.07 | jetscreamer | change the source |
| 07:13.25 | jetscreamer | or try apt-get update |
| 07:13.32 | poncha | i'll try ftp.us.debian.org |
| 07:13.47 | jetscreamer | try apt-get update first if you haven't |
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| 07:14.34 | jetscreamer | then retry the apt-cache |
| 07:14.42 | CactusMD | eeyore-: sec |
| 07:14.49 | poncha | i did the first thing when entered shell :) |
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| 07:15.48 | wyrm | hi guys, how is Debian 64bits in compatibility way?... |
| 07:16.12 | poncha | jetscreamer: changed mirror to ftp.us , did apt-cache search again, heres output: http://pastebin.ca/646119 |
| 07:16.19 | wyrm | i mean 64 vs 32Bits compatible software |
| 07:16.41 | jetscreamer | poncha: apt-get update first |
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| 07:16.51 | jetscreamer | after changing |
| 07:17.15 | poncha | did, of course |
| 07:17.22 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 07:17.26 | jetscreamer | got security? |
| 07:17.33 | poncha | yes |
| 07:17.49 | jetscreamer | pastebin the sources.list |
| 07:18.10 | obnauticus | err someone |
| 07:18.10 | obnauticus | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/p/php5/php5-snmp_5.2.0-8+etch4_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 212.211.132.32 80] |
| 07:18.10 | obnauticus | E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
| 07:18.17 | poncha | jetscreamer: http://pastebin.ca/646120 |
| 07:18.28 | jetscreamer | obnauticus: just try again |
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| 07:18.33 | obnauticus | I did jetscreamer |
| 07:18.33 | obnauticus | lol. |
| 07:18.48 | jetscreamer | put it on hold and try later |
| 07:18.49 | obnauticus | It's been a while since i updated aptitude so i guess i'll do it again. |
| 07:18.56 | eeyore- | wyrm: what do you mean? |
| 07:19.23 | eeyore- | wyrm: seriously, what kind of answer were you expecting? that it works, doesn't work, or what? |
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| 07:21.11 | poncha | jetscreamer: i added ftp.us mirror , and "contrib non-free" everywhere, all the rest was there before my changes |
| 07:21.15 | maximi89 | eeyore: i want to install Debian, but i have x86 and amd64 netinstall and DVD's... but if 64bits it's ok, 64 bits will be... |
| 07:21.37 | maximi89 | what you think about 64bits stability and compatibility |
| 07:21.39 | maximi89 | ? |
| 07:22.07 | eeyore- | maximi89: i don't use debian in x86_64, but gentoo amd64 and RHEL3/4 are fine in 64-bit mode running 32-bit apps in compatibility mode with compatibility libs |
| 07:22.19 | poncha | what is em64t btw ? |
| 07:22.19 | eeyore- | maximi89: the only exceptions might be win32codecs |
| 07:22.32 | eeyore- | poncha: intel's idea of 64-bit extended instructions |
| 07:23.08 | poncha | eeyore-: but there is/was also ia64 .. that is also intel, which one should core2duo use? |
| 07:23.20 | eeyore- | poncha: em64t |
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| 07:23.26 | eeyore- | poncha: ia64 is dead and buried |
| 07:23.32 | poncha | i see |
| 07:23.32 | jetscreamer | poncha: i just pasted your sources in mine, and it works properly |
| 07:23.38 | CactusMD | eeyore-: what did you say about i don't see setting the DRI / XAANoOffscreenPixmaps |
| 07:23.49 | CactusMD | err |
| 07:23.52 | poncha | jetscreamer: you mean you get other results from apt-cache ? :S |
| 07:24.00 | CactusMD | eeyore-: what did you say about the DRI / XAANoOffscreenPixmaps * |
| 07:24.10 | jetscreamer | poncha: yes. check the apt-policy thing maybe |
| 07:24.12 | eeyore- | CactusMD: XAANoOffscreen... goes in "device" section |
| 07:24.22 | eeyore- | CactusMD: did you kill kwin and start beryl's native WM? |
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| 07:25.18 | poncha | jetscreamer: -bash: apt-policy: command not found |
| 07:25.44 | CactusMD | Option XAANoOffscreen "true"? |
| 07:25.58 | eeyore- | CactusMD: there are four options you need to enable, 1) option "AIGLX" "true", 2) option "DRI" "true", 3) option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "true", 4) option "composite" "Enable" |
| 07:26.26 | jetscreamer | !pdiff |
| 07:26.26 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. you can disable the use of pdiffs by adding 'Acquire::Pdiffs "false";' to your /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 07:26.27 | CactusMD | dri true in device too? |
| 07:26.33 | eeyore- | CactusMD: yes |
| 07:27.07 | eeyore- | CactusMD: did you go look on gentoo-wiki.com already? like i said, the instructions are applicable, if you know how to adapt ... and be flexible |
| 07:27.47 | CactusMD | i just killed kwin and tried to run beryl |
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| 07:27.54 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:28.15 | CactusMD | and it says another wm is already running on screen: 0, and no manageable screens found on display: 0.0 |
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| 07:28.40 | jetscreamer | poncha: no idea |
| 07:28.56 | poncha | jetscreamer: also, one more strange thing... >> apt-cache show kernel-image-2.6-em64t-p4-smp -> Depends: linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 07:29.18 | jetscreamer | that's a transitional package |
| 07:29.30 | poncha | yes, but why em64 depends on amd64 ? |
| 07:29.30 | jetscreamer | for the name change |
| 07:29.38 | eeyore- | CactusMD: do you know how to tell debian to use different WM for KDE? |
| 07:29.43 | jetscreamer | i think amd64 became a catchall for 64bit |
| 07:29.46 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 07:29.51 | jetscreamer | i don't have 64bit |
| 07:30.36 | eeyore- | jetscreamer: yeah, considering em64t is exactly like amd64 :-) |
| 07:30.37 | jetscreamer | you sure you're apt-cache search linux-image 'ing eh... and did the apt-get update as root |
| 07:30.52 | CactusMD | eeyore-: by editing kde's autostart i guess |
| 07:31.08 | jetscreamer | no you add links to that directory |
| 07:31.09 | poncha | eeyore-: so amd instruction set for 64 bit is same as intel's now ? |
| 07:31.13 | jetscreamer | like in windows |
| 07:31.14 | eeyore- | CactusMD: isn't there something like alternatives in /etc/alternatives? |
| 07:31.18 | eeyore- | poncha: yeah |
| 07:31.25 | poncha | ok , i see |
| 07:31.28 | eeyore- | poncha: the other way around actually |
| 07:31.33 | poncha | :) |
| 07:31.51 | eeyore- | poncha: used to be AMD copies intel. this time around it's intel copying the (de-facto standard) AMD instruction set for 64-bit extension |
| 07:32.41 | jetscreamer | so do you have 64bit? |
| 07:32.55 | jetscreamer | os and kernel? |
| 07:33.21 | poncha | yeah, it's core2duo... and right now the kernel is 2.6-amd64 , which made me worried so i looked for others.. |
| 07:33.23 | eeyore- | jetscreamer: "show"? |
| 07:33.29 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 07:33.36 | eeyore- | jetscreamer: like what? |
| 07:33.38 | jetscreamer | as in apt-cache search |
| 07:33.43 | poncha | eeyore-: yeah, i dont see any 32bit kernels in apt-cache search |
| 07:33.49 | jetscreamer | eeyore-: you didn't see poncha's prob? |
| 07:33.51 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 07:34.02 | poncha | i wonder what would happen if i was installing on my laptop |
| 07:34.32 | eeyore- | poncha: wait, so your libraries are 64-bit right? then you can't possibly run 32-bit kernel |
| 07:34.39 | eeyore- | poncha: or is that not what you're asking? |
| 07:35.06 | maximi89 | poncha, you speak spanish? |
| 07:35.14 | maximi89 | do* |
| 07:35.15 | maximi89 | xD |
| 07:35.22 | jetscreamer | yes i can see |
| 07:35.41 | jetscreamer | eeyore-: he wants to know why apt-cache search linux-image only returns 64bit kernels |
| 07:35.54 | maximi89 | poncha, you mean 64 is not good yet for cotidian use? |
| 07:36.55 | eeyore- | poncha: i just tested on a 32-bit debian box i still have access to, and "apt-cache search linux-image" shows both 32-bit and 64-bit kernels |
| 07:37.02 | jetscreamer | yes me too |
| 07:37.22 | jetscreamer | but his doesn't... i even copied his sources.list paste into mine and tested it... works fine. |
| 07:37.34 | eeyore- | poncha: but regardless, you can't install base install in 64-bit then decide to run 32-bit kernel, that's not how it works |
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| 07:38.07 | jetscreamer | so i asked if he was running 64bit kernel and os, and wondered if apt was hiding the 32bit |
| 07:38.15 | jetscreamer | but didn't get an answer |
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| 07:39.10 | jetscreamer | i watched zodiac and now i have the hurdy gurdy man song in my head |
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| 07:39.59 | lightning | i'm setting fonts in .Xresources and bold fonts in irssi look really miss-shaped |
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| 07:40.08 | DanielHolth | Hi. I'm trying to use at "at 6:00" do something, but it has a permissions problem "cannot give away file" |
| 07:40.08 | eeyore- | jetscreamer: youtube.com, search for "numa numa" and look for the godzilla one (not gary brosma, that's old) |
| 07:40.25 | tetonca | lightning: lucidasanstypewriter-14 |
| 07:40.51 | tetonca | xfontsel will give the native font spec for that one. |
| 07:41.12 | eeyore- | lightning: is it bitmapped font? |
| 07:41.17 | tetonca | (that's close I think: xfontsel can't remember the name) |
| 07:41.29 | jetscreamer | http://youtube.com/watch?v=mGGWgp5_UhQ |
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| 07:41.31 | tetonca | you can probably use the new fonts also. |
| 07:41.35 | poncha | eeyore-: yes yes, everything is 64bit, i was tryig to find a correct kernel though since i though the one there is wrong... |
| 07:41.47 | jetscreamer | ahh so i bet i'm right |
| 07:41.50 | tetonca | lkm |
| 07:41.58 | jetscreamer | no idea though, who do i ask |
| 07:42.25 | lightning | i can't read your name it's so bad, but does it need to be bitmap font? |
| 07:42.25 | eeyore- | jetscreamer: yeah, i like that godzilla dancing to dragostea din tei :-) |
| 07:42.33 | lightning | it's fixed font 10 |
| 07:42.41 | poncha | jetscreamer, eeyore-: thanks for your help guys |
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| 07:42.51 | jetscreamer | hey i've never heard my laptop speakers before.. not that bad |
| 07:43.03 | lightning | eeyore-: does it need to be a bitmap font? |
| 07:43.19 | lightning | does fixed come in bitmap |
| 07:43.24 | eeyore- | lightning: FWIW, you will get all kinds of grief with bitmapped font |
| 07:43.28 | lightning | the bold font? |
| 07:43.38 | jetscreamer | heh i've seen a few of those movies |
| 07:43.41 | lightning | but fixed is a fixed font |
| 07:43.43 | tetonca | use lucidasanstypewriter-14 or -18 |
| 07:44.09 | tetonca | it's always present. it's always legible. |
| 07:44.16 | eeyore- | jetscreamer: there's also the "misheard lyrics" ... funny ... "sound that beep" "sheep is unique" "run from slutty date" |
| 07:44.18 | lightning | but fixed is not a bitmap!? |
| 07:44.20 | tetonca | if anything it'll be too large. |
| 07:44.47 | eeyore- | lightning: "fixed misc" is bitmapped, unless you're talking about something else |
| 07:45.25 | lightning | how do i know if it's bitmapped or not? |
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| 07:46.34 | lightning | how can i fixed font be bitmapped, it was originally the default font, i just changed the size |
| 07:46.54 | lightning | okay, just how can i view non-bitmapped fonts |
| 07:47.00 | lightning | i think i'm having troubles elsewhere |
| 07:47.02 | tetonca | use lucidasanstypewriter-14 or -18 |
| 07:47.15 | lightning | tetonca: well i want to see them before i choose! |
| 07:47.20 | Intensity | Hi. Can I allocate a single partition that is meant for both (1) encrypted swap, and (2) encrypted resume from suspend? Or in the process of suspending to disk, would the kernel need to keep the swap live? |
| 07:47.20 | Intensity | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:48.28 | lightning | eeyore-: can you tell me how to determine if a font is bitmap? |
| 07:49.17 | jetscreamer | google the name of the font? |
| 07:49.56 | eeyore- | lightning: look? i mean, what can you do? look at the fonts in /usr/share/fonts/*/fonts.dir ? |
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| 07:50.37 | lightning | sob~ |
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| 07:50.55 | jetscreamer | google font deuglification howto |
| 07:51.03 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 07:51.13 | lightning | oh jetscreamer my icewm buddy |
| 07:51.16 | lightning | is that you? |
| 07:51.31 | twb | lightning: fc-list will list all vector fonts. |
| 07:51.48 | jetscreamer | uh... it's not broke |
| 07:51.59 | _Ahti | Hey, i'm using Debian Etch and am looking for more packages, should i add the "testing" repo to my sources.list? |
| 07:52.06 | twb | _Ahti: no. |
| 07:52.07 | jetscreamer | no |
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| 07:52.16 | twb | _Ahti: what do you mean "more packages"? |
| 07:52.20 | jetscreamer | unless of course you want to try out testing |
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| 07:52.30 | lightning | so fonts are vector and bitmap |
| 07:52.35 | jetscreamer | as in never go back w/o reinstalling |
| 07:52.50 | twb | lightning: no, a font is either a bitmap font or a vector font. |
| 07:53.01 | _Ahti | more packages? As in, seeing as i can't install half the stuff from the "stable" repo as i'm missing dependancies -.- |
| 07:53.02 | jetscreamer | that's what he said |
| 07:53.11 | jetscreamer | try apt-get -f install |
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| 07:53.16 | jetscreamer | or apt-get update first |
| 07:53.26 | jetscreamer | make that aptitude, not apt-get |
| 07:53.28 | the_sniff | how do i set dma on an sda device? |
| 07:53.30 | twb | _Ahti: be more specific. What is the error? |
| 07:53.39 | twb | the_sniff: hdparm -d on /dev/sda, IIRC |
| 07:53.41 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
| 07:53.48 | jetscreamer | _Ahti: |
| 07:53.51 | jetscreamer | !contrib |
| 07:53.51 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in debian (possibly in contrib or non-free) To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 07:54.22 | jetscreamer | !debian-multimedia |
| 07:54.23 | dpkg | somebody said debian-multimedia was a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 07:54.42 | jetscreamer | that covers most stuff i ever want |
| 07:54.53 | jetscreamer | i'm easy though |
| 07:55.15 | _Ahti | Say i want to install OpenOffice.org-base, i get something like "openoffice.org-base depends on gij [UNAVAILABLE] | ..." |
| 07:55.24 | twb | jetscreamer: can we please find out what the problem is first |
| 07:55.33 | the_sniff | twb i've tried http://rafb.net/p/6AzGVw68.html but as u can see i get this error |
| 07:55.42 | twb | _Ahti: you did "aptitude install openoffice.org-base"? |
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| 07:56.16 | _Ahti | no, i just ran aptitude and scrolled down and marked it as "+i" |
| 07:56.17 | _Ahti | -.- |
| 07:56.19 | jetscreamer | it requires java |
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| 07:56.28 | jetscreamer | !info gij |
| 07:56.31 | dpkg | gij: (The GNU Java bytecode interpreter), section devel, is optional. Version: 4:4.1.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 36 kB |
| 07:56.38 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 07:56.46 | jetscreamer | !info gij etch |
| 07:56.48 | dpkg | gij: (The GNU Java bytecode interpreter), section devel, is optional. Version: 4:4.1.1-15 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 36 kB |
| 07:56.58 | _Ahti | Yes which doesn't seem to exist in the package repo |
| 07:56.59 | lightning | okay maybe i entered it wrong, because it does show up as a vector font, in .Xresources i have "xterm*boldfont: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-*-100-*-*-c-*-iso8859-1" |
| 07:57.03 | jetscreamer | java is in contrib in etch is it not |
| 07:57.10 | twb | the_sniff: dunno, sorry. |
| 07:57.11 | jetscreamer | do you have contrib non-free ? |
| 07:57.21 | _Ahti | i'll try addin it |
| 07:57.35 | jetscreamer | or non-free in etch rather iirc |
| 07:57.39 | twb | lightning: that is not a vector font. |
| 07:57.46 | lightning | sob, sorry |
| 07:57.50 | lightning | i'll switch it |
| 07:57.54 | twb | lightning: that is not the correct variable to set a vector font, either. |
| 07:58.02 | twb | lightning: XTerm*faceName: DejaVu Sans Mono:pixelsize=9 |
| 07:58.43 | lightning | so xterm*facename: fixed:pixelsize=9 |
| 07:58.51 | twb | Fixed is not a vector font |
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| 07:59.38 | jetscreamer | you know things.. i like that |
| 07:59.44 | _Ahti | I'm not getting anything new, still the same "missing dependancies" |
| 07:59.47 | _Ahti | -.- |
| 07:59.53 | jetscreamer | did you do apt-get update ? |
| 07:59.57 | _Ahti | yes |
| 07:59.58 | twb | jetscreamer: gij is in main |
| 08:00.13 | jetscreamer | twb: i was asking about java though |
| 08:00.15 | twb | jetscreamer: you don't need non-free or any crazy junk to run oo.org on Etch. |
| 08:00.28 | jetscreamer | gij depends on java in etch |
| 08:00.59 | jetscreamer | iirc no you don't need java for oo but i dunno i installed it once a long time ago |
| 08:01.00 | _Ahti | i don't have gij |
| 08:01.01 | eeyore- | lightning: you need xterm*font: and xterm*boldfont: to be safe |
| 08:01.05 | twb | jetscreamer: nope |
| 08:01.09 | xingu | l8n1ght |
| 08:01.24 | lightning | fc-list lists Fixed:style=Bold SemiCondensed |
| 08:01.25 | xingu | l8n1ght |
| 08:01.29 | twb | jetscreamer: you can install openoffice.org-base with just main and contrib. |
| 08:01.33 | eeyore- | lightning: or maybe it's xterm.*.fontBold ... check :-) |
| 08:01.41 | jetscreamer | he didn't have contrib |
| 08:01.42 | twb | lightning: then that is weird; by all means try it. |
| 08:01.50 | xingu | l8n1ght |
| 08:01.54 | lightning | gah, i am trying it |
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| 08:01.54 | eeyore- | lightning: oh, and remember to "xrdb .Xresources" |
| 08:01.58 | twb | lightning: probably it is the bitmap fixed font being made available through the vector interface, and will look shit. |
| 08:02.07 | lightning | what does xrdb mean |
| 08:02.14 | twb | X Resource Database |
| 08:02.21 | jetscreamer | ahhh is that why some of my fonts look like shit |
| 08:02.33 | _Ahti | So i really shouldn't add "testing" repos to Etch's sources.list -.- |
| 08:02.35 | jetscreamer | chunky or somethig |
| 08:02.36 | jetscreamer | no |
| 08:02.37 | eeyore- | jetscreamer: fontconfig doesn't deal with bitmapped font properly :-) probably never will |
| 08:02.43 | lightning | so how do i find out the formal writing of it like -*-fixed-,etc |
| 08:02.46 | Guerin | _Ahti: never do that |
| 08:02.55 | jetscreamer | you shouldn't unless you never want to see etch again |
| 08:02.56 | lightning | if i can't pick the correct one in a list anywhere |
| 08:02.56 | Guerin | lightning: xfontsel |
| 08:02.58 | _Ahti | right-o |
| 08:02.59 | twb | lightning: that is a font name for the old bitmap interface. |
| 08:03.05 | eeyore- | jetscreamer: it will "substitute" at random (almost), and sometimes you get wrong substitution (e.g., another language font) |
| 08:03.16 | lightning | will xfontsel also list vectors? |
| 08:03.19 | eeyore- | lightning: xfontsel |
| 08:03.21 | twb | No. |
| 08:03.22 | lightning | or only bitmap |
| 08:03.26 | twb | xfontsel is for bitmap fonts only. |
| 08:03.27 | eeyore- | lightning: only bitmap |
| 08:03.49 | twb | You can preview vector fonts using xfd with the -fa switch. |
| 08:03.49 | lightning | can i write it like xterm*font: fixed:10 |
| 08:04.02 | eeyore- | lightning: XTerm.VT100.font: -windows-proggyopti-medium-r-normal-* <- that's in my ~/.Xdefaults |
| 08:04.07 | twb | lightning: you cannot just make things up and expect them to work. |
| 08:04.14 | jetscreamer | damn! |
| 08:04.15 | twb | eeyore-: that is a bitmap font. |
| 08:04.53 | _Ahti | OMG this almost as bad as Mandriva's package "repo", it's good to have packages that you can't install due to missing dependancies -.- |
| 08:05.02 | lightning | okay than where can i discover how to correctly write it out? |
| 08:05.09 | twb | lightning: what is it you are actually trying to achieve? Simply to have a nice-looking antialiased font for xterm? |
| 08:05.20 | _Ahti | Suppose my single CD KDE Debian Etch install doesn't have anything to do with it -. |
| 08:05.25 | eeyore- | lightning: as has been told numerous times ... XFONTSEL!!!!!! |
| 08:05.27 | lightning | no, just apply a certain font in xterm |
| 08:05.41 | lightning | people just said xfontsel is bitmap only |
| 08:05.41 | eeyore- | lightning: do you have a problem with running xfontsel? or what? |
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| 08:05.57 | lightning | people just said xfontsel is bitmap only |
| 08:05.57 | eeyore- | lightning: and you don't want bitmapped, somehow, for xterm/rxvt? |
| 08:05.59 | jetscreamer | _Ahti: but if you have main contrib non-free in sources(and security), and did apt-get update, you should not have missing packages/dependencies |
| 08:06.02 | twb | lightning: that procedure differs depending on whether you want a bitmap or vector font. Do you want a vector font? |
| 08:06.12 | lightning | eeyore-: lollolololol |
| 08:06.27 | twb | eeyore-: both xterm and rxvt support antialiased fonts. |
| 08:06.34 | eeyore- | twb: sloooow |
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| 08:06.39 | Guerin | _Ahti: are you alwasy this stupid, or are you putting on a special show for us? |
| 08:06.47 | lightning | twb: if a vector font is what i need, then yes |
| 08:06.50 | Guerin | eeyore-: not on a machine made since 2001 |
| 08:06.54 | twb | lightning: you do not NEED a vector font. |
| 08:06.56 | jetscreamer | noob not stupid |
| 08:07.14 | twb | lightning: they look better (IMO), but require a little more system resources. |
| 08:07.14 | lightning | twb: okay than why is it being displayed so horribly |
| 08:07.20 | _Ahti | Guerin, ? yes i am "alwasy" this "stupid" -.- |
| 08:07.33 | lightning | shush |
| 08:07.33 | jetscreamer | Guerin: have you been hanging out with mwilson ? |
| 08:07.33 | Guerin | _Ahti: good to knwo |
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| 08:07.52 | jetscreamer | you have changed afaict |
| 08:07.53 | suppaman | hello |
| 08:07.57 | Guerin | jetscreamer: go and put the rest of your brain in the blender, there's a good lad |
| 08:08.01 | twb | _Ahti: not all Debian packages are included on your CD. They wouldn't fit. When you installed Debian, it should have set it up so you can install additional packages by automatically downloading them from the internet. |
| 08:08.29 | jetscreamer | _Ahti: you have the cd listing in sources? |
| 08:08.38 | streuner | Guerin: Dont insult people, we told you now serveral times. |
| 08:08.40 | _Ahti | twd: well that is obvious 0,0 |
| 08:08.43 | twb | _Ahti: please pastebin the entire contents of /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 08:08.44 | lightning | well i'm just lost |
| 08:08.44 | Guerin | _Ahti: you probably want to read the debian reference before you go much further. Debian has heaps of stuff in it but you need to figure out how to access it. |
| 08:08.51 | twb | _Ahti: please also run "aptitude update" as root. |
| 08:09.24 | jetscreamer | lightning: let it soak in, the lost feeling goes away eventually |
| 08:09.33 | lightning | right |
| 08:09.34 | lightning | brb |
| 08:09.34 | twb | lightning: compare xterm -fa Monospace with xterm -fn -schumacher-clean-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-60-iso10646-1 |
| 08:09.46 | eeyore- | Guerin: hey, that's a good one for "willitblend.com" |
| 08:09.50 | twb | The former is a vector font, the latter a bitmap font. |
| 08:09.53 | Guerin | eeyore-: heh |
| 08:09.57 | lightning | twb: but i want to apply a size as well |
| 08:10.03 | Guerin | eeyore-: i can tall you from experience that brains do indeed blend |
| 08:10.05 | twb | lightning: you can do that in a minute |
| 08:10.13 | Guerin | and tell, too |
| 08:10.16 | eeyore- | Guerin: i shall ask no more ... |
| 08:10.22 | Guerin | tpynig, however, does not blend |
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| 08:10.31 | jetscreamer | i shall call it The Tower of Penix |
| 08:10.35 | tetonca | Well I learned something. Very interesting 'xterm -fa Monospace'. |
| 08:10.56 | tetonca | twb++ |
| 08:10.59 | twb | Monospace is, of course, merely an alias for some popular fixed-width vector font on your system. |
| 08:11.08 | jetscreamer | !twb++ |
| 08:11.14 | jetscreamer | !karma twb |
| 08:11.14 | dpkg | twb has karma of 1 |
| 08:11.17 | twb | Please, no C. |
| 08:11.18 | tetonca | Those four new fonts that were given to Linux are nice. |
| 08:11.30 | Guerin | tetonca: which? |
| 08:11.36 | Guerin | and how does a kernel have fonts? |
| 08:11.37 | _Ahti | twb, http://pastebin.com/m143c236 |
| 08:11.45 | twb | tetonca: you are referring to the Liberation fonts from Red Hat? |
| 08:11.54 | tetonca | I can't remember the names. Ubuntu install 'em by default. Debian has them in stable now iirc. |
| 08:11.58 | tetonca | twb no. |
| 08:12.04 | suppaman | Guerin: in a weird way |
| 08:12.05 | twb | _Ahti: your sources.list is damaged. |
| 08:12.10 | lightning | brb |
| 08:12.13 | tetonca | Veri |
| 08:12.14 | _Ahti | 0.0'' |
| 08:12.17 | tetonca | V somethuing |
| 08:12.22 | tetonca | Vera! |
| 08:12.25 | tetonca | there it is. |
| 08:12.31 | tetonca | Vera fonts are excellent. |
| 08:12.32 | jetscreamer | vera-bitstream |
| 08:12.36 | tetonca | yes. |
| 08:12.38 | tetonca | that's the one. |
| 08:12.40 | tetonca | tnx. |
| 08:12.43 | suppaman | little question: can someone suggest me a small wm that can be configured so that alt-middlebutton move windows and alt-rightbutton resize ? |
| 08:12.47 | jetscreamer | i was looking fo rthat one and i didn't see it on this.. new install |
| 08:12.51 | Guerin | tetonca: the ones which have been standard for years and years now? |
| 08:12.51 | twb | _Ahti: please run as root: echo deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian etch main contrib >>/etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:12.54 | tetonca | There's only four of them but they do the job. |
| 08:12.56 | twb | _Ahti: please run as root: aptitude update |
| 08:13.06 | Guerin | yeah, the vera fonts are teh awesomes |
| 08:13.07 | twb | _Ahti: this should fix the problem. |
| 08:13.09 | tetonca | Guerin: nice try.l |
| 08:13.15 | _Ahti | ty |
| 08:13.31 | Guerin | twb: quotes |
| 08:13.37 | jetscreamer | uh |
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| 08:13.45 | twb | tetonca: the Bitstream Vera fonts have been around for some time. |
| 08:13.45 | Guerin | i mean |
| 08:13.45 | jetscreamer | fix that non-free contrib stuff |
| 08:13.47 | Guerin | jeebus |
| 08:13.52 | jetscreamer | and comment out the other cd |
| 08:13.59 | twb | jetscreamer: eh, in a minute |
| 08:14.08 | tetonca | twb: not that long in stable. Since Ubuntu hoary came out. No earlier. |
| 08:14.26 | _Ahti | twb, http://pastebin.com/d34814561 |
| 08:14.30 | _Ahti | that's what it looks like now -.- |
| 08:14.39 | twb | _Ahti: good. |
| 08:14.39 | tetonca | I got things to do in another #channel. |
| 08:14.51 | _Ahti | ;), thanks |
| 08:14.55 | _Ahti | for the help |
| 08:15.04 | twb | _Ahti: please confirm that the fault is resolved. |
| 08:15.18 | _Ahti | I will |
| 08:15.22 | eeyore- | for programming font, i prefer profontwindows --- it's a clone of geneva/profont, tweaked with TTF hints |
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| 08:15.37 | lightning | yeah, wow it's still happening |
| 08:15.49 | twb | lightning: what is? |
| 08:15.56 | lightning | my fonts look like they're from the 70's with rolling turns |
| 08:15.57 | eeyore- | if i can find vi that'll take proportional font i'll be in heaven |
| 08:16.09 | twb | tetonca: http://packages.debian.org/ttf-bitstream-vera |
| 08:16.14 | twb | tetonca: they are in Sarge, at least. |
| 08:16.26 | _Ahti | Much appreciated, twb, problem solved ;) |
| 08:16.32 | CactusMD | eeyore-: beryl is still not working |
| 08:16.37 | eeyore- | lightning: screenshot? |
| 08:16.41 | eeyore- | CactusMD: with what WM? |
| 08:16.41 | twb | _Ahti: you should take a moment to clean up your sources.list a little |
| 08:16.49 | jetscreamer | oh thank god |
| 08:16.56 | jetscreamer | it is bugging me! |
| 08:17.03 | CactusMD | i killed kwin and tried starting it, it just said no manageable screens |
| 08:17.07 | jetscreamer | <--extreme analidity |
| 08:17.19 | twb | _Ahti: jetscreamer will talk you through that :-) |
| 08:17.34 | _Ahti | allright 0.0 |
| 08:17.39 | eeyore- | CactusMD: right, so instead of killing it, how about substituting the preferred window manager? IIRC this is available as an "alternative", /etc/alternatives ? |
| 08:17.50 | lightning | i'm not setup to screenshot right now |
| 08:17.52 | twb | CactusMD: beryl is a window manager, it does the same job as kwin. |
| 08:18.03 | _Ahti | So how does one "clean" the sources.list? |
| 08:18.05 | twb | lightning: run "import foo.png" |
| 08:18.13 | twb | lightning: then click on the window you want to capture |
| 08:18.30 | jetscreamer | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free fix the security one also. delete the cdrom entries, you have to use apt-cdrom to use them again. do apt-get update... err aptitude update |
| 08:18.33 | Guerin | _Ahti: one way is to install and run apt-spy |
| 08:18.40 | CactusMD | i was just going to try beryl, but now that it's forbidden fruit i want to get it running |
| 08:18.47 | jetscreamer | NO! |
| 08:18.59 | jetscreamer | well it might not be broken in etch |
| 08:19.08 | jetscreamer | it was last time i checked, in sid |
| 08:19.08 | twb | _Ahti: just have two lines: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian etch main contrib, and deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib |
| 08:19.27 | jetscreamer | ok forget the non-free it sucks anyway |
| 08:19.37 | twb | _Ahti: you may wish to use apt-spy to find a nearby mirror, which will allow you to download packages faster. |
| 08:19.40 | Guerin | jetscreamer: ZOMG, you send something sensible |
| 08:19.46 | tetonca | twb: understood. tnx. |
| 08:19.57 | _Ahti | ;) |
| 08:20.05 | Guerin | apt-spy is just good policy because it obviates PEBCAK errors in sources.list |
| 08:20.19 | jetscreamer | back up your sources.list before using apt-spy |
| 08:20.20 | twb | tetonca: I personally prefer DejaVu, which is Vera extended to support Cyrillic and Hellenic graphemes |
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| 08:20.50 | jetscreamer | and you don't need apt-spy anyway |
| 08:20.55 | jetscreamer | just edit what you have |
| 08:21.03 | jetscreamer | use apt-spy later |
| 08:21.50 | Agrajag- | after a reboot, ifconfig is telling me that my HWaddr is 00:00:00:00:00:00. this is causing some boxes on the lan not to talk to my computer. why might this happen? |
| 08:22.19 | Guerin | Agrajag-: could be any number of reasons., What says /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 08:22.30 | eeyore- | Agrajag-: is it for ethernet device or something else? |
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| 08:22.45 | Guerin | Agrajag-: the HWaddress is the MAC address, btw - you can set it with a particular tool |
| 08:22.48 | Guerin | in some cases |
| 08:23.43 | Agrajag- | eeyore-: ethernet device. it definitely didn't used to do this. it's eth0, and the interfaces file has it as auto eth0, mapping eth0, script grep, map eth0 |
| 08:24.00 | Guerin | ah jeebus |
| 08:24.10 | Guerin | who set that abortion up? |
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| 08:24.37 | Guerin | sounds like someone is Too Clever By Half |
| 08:24.40 | Agrajag- | Guerin: hmm i haven't touched it, this is debian testing, something must've changed it? |
| 08:24.57 | Guerin | Agrajag-: i'd be concerned if that's the case. |
| 08:25.07 | Agrajag- | udev persistant stuff has ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", SYSFS{address}=="00:0e:a6:1e:bb:06", NAME="eth0" |
| 08:25.25 | Agrajag- | hmm there's no way any one else would change that file on this box |
| 08:25.27 | eeyore- | Agrajag-: generally speaking, the MAC address is read from EEPROM memory when the device is enabled at boot time |
| 08:25.33 | twb | There's a package that lets you spoof macs |
| 08:25.36 | Guerin | Agrajag-: but the device comes up normally? |
| 08:25.45 | eeyore- | Agrajag-: power off for 30 seconds at least, reboot? |
| 08:26.01 | twb | ...also disconnecting the power cable |
| 08:26.10 | eeyore- | right |
| 08:26.15 | Agrajag- | yeah, device comes up, i can do everything normally, some other linux boxes can get to this box fine.. actually just seems to be windows boxes that don't |
| 08:26.36 | Agrajag- | i'd rather not reboot at the moment. maybe i'll manually set the mac address from that udev thing for now |
| 08:26.50 | Guerin | Agrajag-: if the mac really is nulled, then arp will all be fucked up |
| 08:26.50 | eeyore- | Agrajag-: well, in short, you would like to have unique MAC address :-) but since no device will really have 00:00:00:00:00:00 you should be safe. |
| 08:27.01 | bolt | what does it mean when i get "Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when I do apt-get update? i do get a lot of different sources... how can I increase the space it has available? |
| 08:27.02 | Guerin | can you even have that mac? |
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| 08:27.03 | Agrajag- | Guerin: yeah, that's what i found from other computers |
| 08:27.07 | Guerin | i thought some were offlimits |
| 08:27.09 | eeyore- | Agrajag-: but there could be devices that don't like all zeros |
| 08:27.19 | Agrajag- | eeyore-: yeah. clearly windows boxes don't |
| 08:27.19 | Guerin | !mmap |
| 08:27.19 | dpkg | it has been said that dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need |
| 08:27.33 | Guerin | bolt: it means `you have too much shit in sources.list, delete some' |
| 08:27.35 | bolt | Guerin: well, you could always set it with some fake mac application... |
| 08:27.45 | eeyore- | Agrajag-: well, two things you can do. if you don't wanna reboot, "ifconfig eth0 hw ether c0:ff:ee:c0:ff:ee" |
| 08:27.55 | Guerin | bolt: yes, we're getting to that bit ... but the fun bit is figuring out why it's null ITFP. |
| 08:28.02 | eeyore- | bolt: don't need no application for this |
| 08:28.13 | Agrajag- | eeyore-: yeah i'll do that, but i'll use the address i found in the udev persistant file |
| 08:28.51 | eeyore- | Agrajag-: i like c0ffee :-) or ab:ad:fe:ed or c0:de:db:ad |
| 08:29.15 | xingu | all zeros ether addr has magic properties in some upper layer protocols - like arp for instance. |
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| 08:29.16 | Agrajag- | what's weird is that my dhcp server was giving my the correct address for my normal mac address though. no idea how that was happening. |
| 08:29.33 | xingu | probably not a good idea to respond to a who-has with an all-zeros src address tell. |
| 08:29.41 | suppaman | anyone on the wm question? |
| 08:29.43 | Guerin | eeyore-: i prefer 00:b1:6b:00:b1:35 |
| 08:29.54 | Guerin | suppaman: repeat |
| 08:30.22 | eeyore- | a long time ago, under circumstances unknown (and i didn't investigate, under time/customer pressure) we had sun ultra-5 box that as soon as we plugged into customer's network (they had the ports on security setting, locked to one MAC address only) and the box (Sun's) MAC address became all zero |
| 08:30.35 | suppaman | can someone suggest me a small wm that can be configured so that alt-middlebutton move windows and alt-rightbutton resize ? |
| 08:30.35 | eeyore- | that was the first time i ever saw that :-) weird |
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| 08:31.12 | Guerin | suppaman: evilwm is almost there |
| 08:31.12 | jetscreamer | some cable modems do that locking on the mac |
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| 08:31.23 | suppaman | Guerin: I tried it |
| 08:31.34 | Guerin | suppaman: alt+left moves, alt+middle resizes |
| 08:31.42 | suppaman | I need right/middle |
| 08:31.44 | suppaman | to use gimp |
| 08:31.53 | Guerin | and you can't just remap your mouse buttons? |
| 08:31.54 | suppaman | alt has to be used with tools |
| 08:32.01 | Guerin | ah |
| 08:32.04 | suppaman | remap at which level ? |
| 08:32.11 | Guerin | suppaman: it wouldn't work |
| 08:32.20 | Guerin | suppaman: evilwm is almost totally unconfigurable |
| 08:32.29 | suppaman | I need a wm config options but I'm not able to figure what wm is able to |
| 08:32.39 | suppaman | option* |
| 08:32.50 | Agrajag- | eeyore-: when this machine first booted, it started loading the wrong kernel, i hit the reset button before any init scripts were run though. maybe that messed up somethign with the nic |
| 08:33.14 | Guerin | suppaman: oh, i think you can redefine the key and mouse strokes in evilwm |
| 08:33.14 | suppaman | I tried aewm, ion3, fluxbox, blackbox |
| 08:33.36 | Guerin | suppaman: at least, somthing a bit like that is documented in TFM (under `mask' or something) |
| 08:34.51 | suppaman | I can change the modifier key |
| 08:35.29 | Guerin | oh, but not the mouse? |
| 08:35.35 | suppaman | not the mouse |
| 08:35.44 | Guerin | why are your needs so specific anyway? |
| 08:36.08 | jetscreamer | http://icewm.org/manual/ |
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| 08:37.13 | suppaman | Guerin: to move gimp's windows, it's a matter of comfort |
| 08:37.35 | eeyore- | night |
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| 08:37.44 | Guerin | ... and it's more comfortable to spend hours trying for the 100% solution when there exists a 90% solution already? |
| 08:37.55 | Guerin | perfection is the enemy of progress |
| 08:37.59 | Guerin | just use evilwm |
| 08:38.29 | xingu | also, if you're in the business of making up ethernet addresses, make sure you set bit two in the first octet. |
| 08:38.38 | xingu | there's a reason people create these standards thingumies. |
| 08:38.53 | Guerin | xingu: what is `bit two'? |
| 08:38.54 | jetscreamer | yes let's discourage the pursuit of perfection |
| 08:39.00 | the_sniff | what does HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device mean? |
| 08:39.20 | Guerin | the_sniff: probably that device doesn't do DMA |
| 08:39.31 | xingu | Guerin: my:nu:hw:ad:dr:es - my | 0x02 |
| 08:39.53 | the_sniff | i don't really know the hardware but its a raid device on a live production server... so i doubt it :W |
| 08:39.58 | Guerin | xingu: nope, still don't get it |
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| 08:40.26 | xingu | Guerin: then you probably shouldn't be screwing about with ethernet addresses. |
| 08:40.26 | Guerin | xingu: but it's probably just that I know nothing about netwebs |
| 08:40.34 | Guerin | xingu: oh, i know that :) |
| 08:40.34 | jetscreamer | the first two digits in the string |
| 08:40.54 | suppaman | jetscreamer: I cannot find what I need |
| 08:40.58 | Guerin | well ... yes. but do they have to be something specific, or what's his point? |
| 08:41.00 | jetscreamer | me neither |
| 08:41.07 | jetscreamer | i need money... lots of it |
| 08:41.07 | suppaman | Guerin: do you mean evilwm with mask2 option? |
| 08:41.16 | Guerin | suppaman: yeah. |
| 08:41.40 | jetscreamer | hey better than installing it and finding that out eh |
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| 08:42.26 | the_sniff | Guerin: root@white:~# hdparm -d1 /dev/sda1 |
| 08:42.26 | the_sniff | /dev/sda1: |
| 08:42.26 | the_sniff | setting using_dma to 1 (on) |
| 08:42.26 | the_sniff | HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 08:42.26 | the_sniff | root@white:~# hdparm -i /dev/sda1 |
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| 08:42.45 | the_sniff | oops |
| 08:42.47 | the_sniff | damn lol |
| 08:42.49 | xeon9 | on my laptop i run deb, /dev/dsp is onboard snd card. /dev/dsp1 is my external USB creative 24bit sound card. my system by default uses /dev/dsp.. i can instruct most of my programs to use /dev/dsp1 in their preferences.. But firefox does not have a sound preferences option. is there a system variable or something that i can define to tell my whole system to use /dev/dsp1 instead of /dev/dsp |
| 08:42.51 | Guerin | the_sniff: HDIO_SET_BRAIN failed: Moron |
| 08:42.51 | the_sniff | http://rafb.net/p/WQuE1k82.html |
| 08:43.07 | the_sniff | dude it was an accident |
| 08:43.08 | xeon9 | and renaming /dev/dsp to /dev/dsp.old and then ln -s /dev/dsp1 and /dev/dsp does not owrk |
| 08:43.17 | Guerin | the_sniff: don't take it so personal ;) |
| 08:43.25 | Guerin | the_sniff: s that error documented? |
| 08:43.26 | the_sniff | anyways |
| 08:43.29 | Guerin | s/s/is/ |
| 08:43.45 | the_sniff | i've googled it for hours and it is discussed but no answer |
| 08:43.48 | the_sniff | documented where? |
| 08:43.58 | Guerin | the_sniff: in the hdparm documentation |
| 08:44.02 | suppaman | -mask2 mod2 |
| 08:44.03 | Guerin | shockingly |
| 08:44.11 | suppaman | I can live with it |
| 08:44.11 | the_sniff | lo |
| 08:44.12 | suppaman | thx bye |
| 08:44.26 | jetscreamer | input/outpu control |
| 08:44.27 | Guerin | xeon9: do you use both sound cards? |
| 08:44.28 | jetscreamer | t |
| 08:44.32 | xeon9 | nah |
| 08:44.38 | xeon9 | i only really want to use /dev/dsp1 (external one) |
| 08:44.48 | Guerin | xeon9: disable the onboard in BIOS |
| 08:44.53 | xeon9 | bios doesnt have that option |
| 08:44.54 | Guerin | it's easiest for everyone |
| 08:44.54 | xeon9 | its a laptop |
| 08:44.56 | Guerin | graah |
| 08:44.58 | the_sniff | Guerin i don't think so |
| 08:45.00 | Guerin | stupid laptops |
| 08:45.20 | xand | get a soldering iron... ;) |
| 08:45.22 | Guerin | xeon9: you can probably get away with blacklisting the driver module - /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 08:45.30 | Guerin | xand: hah |
| 08:45.56 | xingu | anyway, http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/download/802.3-2005_section1.pdf , 3.2.3 Address Fields c) U/L bit (p84 here) |
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| 08:45.57 | Guerin | the_sniff: well, i've told you my best guess. Is the device ide/sata/what? And what sort of raid controller is it on? |
| 08:46.13 | Guerin | xingu: your dedication is frightening |
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| 08:46.43 | the_sniff | Guerin: lol tbh i don't know but i think its either sata/ide |
| 08:46.52 | Guerin | ... |
| 08:46.54 | Guerin | !thjink |
| 08:46.54 | xingu | Guerin: broken link-layer is the worst kind of fuckup to have to detect, diagnose and repair |
| 08:46.57 | Guerin | !think |
| 08:46.57 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 08:47.13 | Guerin | the_sniff: sounds like you need to stop fucking with it |
| 08:47.13 | the_sniff | anyway i could check for sure? |
| 08:47.23 | Guerin | the_sniff: ask the admin |
| 08:47.39 | the_sniff | the old admin is in the army |
| 08:47.52 | Guerin | the_sniff: i don't see the relevance |
| 08:47.57 | Guerin | ask the new admin |
| 08:48.01 | the_sniff | there is no other admin |
| 08:48.07 | the_sniff | i have to deal with that kind of crap |
| 08:48.14 | the_sniff | which makes me the new admin... i think lol |
| 08:48.28 | Guerin | you're not the admin |
| 08:48.33 | the_sniff | hmm |
| 08:48.38 | Guerin | at least, not until you have the faintest idea what you're doing |
| 08:48.45 | the_sniff | i have all access to all servers and im the only one who does that |
| 08:49.03 | jetscreamer | you're the admin in training |
| 08:49.05 | Guerin | the_sniff: my advice to you is to leave it the hell alone for now, and start learning as much about computers as you can. |
| 08:49.09 | the_sniff | so i guess im the admin. unrelated to my unix knowledge |
| 08:49.14 | the_sniff | jetscreamer smth like that :p |
| 08:49.29 | jetscreamer | don't fuck with anything you can't fix |
| 08:49.30 | Guerin | it's quite important to not fuck with things you don't understand in a production environment ... otherwise you'll spoon be the old admin\ |
| 08:49.30 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 08:49.31 | the_sniff | Guerin: lol O...K... |
| 08:49.39 | the_sniff | jetscreamer i can fix it |
| 08:49.40 | xingu | Guerin: or the ex-admin |
| 08:49.51 | lightning | yeah, and this set dpms crap doesn't work either |
| 08:49.52 | the_sniff | i wish |
| 08:49.53 | jetscreamer | uh... can't tell |
| 08:49.57 | the_sniff | i don't wanna be the "admin" |
| 08:50.00 | Guerin | xingu: pining for the fjords, indeed |
| 08:50.09 | Guerin | the_sniff: then tell your boss to hire someone who does |
| 08:50.16 | the_sniff | did |
| 08:50.24 | the_sniff | and he's going to get a contract company |
| 08:50.25 | the_sniff | btw |
| 08:50.30 | the_sniff | got an answer to my question |
| 08:50.32 | the_sniff | <enouf> the_sniff: it means you're trying to toglle dma on/off for a sata drive -- a no no |
| 08:50.33 | Guerin | cool |
| 08:50.47 | Guerin | just ignore it until then, they can sort it out when they arrive |
| 08:50.49 | the_sniff | see... that was easy when the dude i was talking to actually know what he's talking about |
| 08:50.53 | Guerin | if it's working, don't fuck with it |
| 08:51.15 | the_sniff | if it was working perfect i wouldn't be fucking with it... now would i? |
| 08:51.18 | Guerin | the_sniff: ... which is what I said it probably was about 30 ago |
| 08:51.35 | Guerin | the_sniff: dunno, you don't seem to have a clear strategy. |
| 08:51.41 | the_sniff | yeah |
| 08:51.44 | the_sniff | testign |
| 08:51.53 | the_sniff | hate it when people answer things they are not asked |
| 08:51.57 | Guerin | ... |
| 08:52.29 | the_sniff | <enouf> the_sniff: it means you're trying to toglle dma on/off for a sata drive -- a no no |
| 08:52.37 | the_sniff | see? one line summed it all up |
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| 08:53.23 | Guerin | the_sniff: 20:38:54 < Guerin> the_sniff: probably that device doesn't do DMA |
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| 08:53.36 | Guerin | the_sniff: as I fucking said. |
| 08:53.39 | the_sniff | u said probably |
| 08:53.44 | the_sniff | thats makes it a guess |
| 08:53.53 | the_sniff | IT DOESN'T COUNT |
| 08:53.55 | the_sniff | ADMIT IT |
| 08:54.12 | Guerin | the_sniff: i didn't say it counted - my point was it gave you something to investigate. |
| 08:54.21 | boodie | Hi... a simple hint ... I want to backup the boot floppy; am I right in typing "if=/dev/fd0 of=/home/boodie/bootfloppy.img" then insert the floppy, followed by "if=/home/boodie/bootfloppy.img of=/dev/fd0" ? |
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| 08:54.34 | Guerin | but since you evidently have the investigatory abilities of a drunken hamster, i suppose that was a bit much to hope for |
| 08:54.35 | lightning | but the second i change the size of the font everything is okay |
| 08:54.41 | the_sniff | and some1 who actually "learned something about computers" answered in a second |
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| 08:56.02 | lightning | fixed 12 it is in -*-*-120-iso8852-1 terms that is! |
| 08:56.13 | xingu | the_sniff: but clearly the device does do dma; the correct answer is "the driver does not honour that ioctl" and interpretation of the reason why is a /guess/ in any case; hence, lacking full data, it's /probably/ a good idea to reflect the relative degree of certainty in any any external interpretation of the result obtained. |
| 08:56.29 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:56.33 | Guerin | pwn |
| 08:56.42 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 08:56.45 | the_sniff | pwn? |
| 08:56.52 | the_sniff | man are you 12? |
| 08:56.52 | xingu | the_sniff: if you came across a storage controller in this day and age that "did not do dma" you would know it, believe me - a 1G5 or 3G SATA link would give you the smackdown. |
| 08:56.55 | the_sniff | xingu: http://rafb.net/p/knLcLM97.html |
| 08:57.15 | Guerin | the_sniff: as someone who uses `some1' i think you should reconsider the ironicality of that question |
| 08:57.30 | jetscreamer | ironicality? |
| 08:57.30 | the_sniff | some1 is just shorter |
| 08:57.31 | Guerin | sorry |
| 08:57.35 | the_sniff | pwn is plain STUPID |
| 08:57.36 | Guerin | i mean `reconsiderate' |
| 08:57.48 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 08:57.53 | jetscreamer | ok that works |
| 08:58.00 | Guerin | the_sniff: careful ... if you say the word `stupid' jetscreamer will tear bits off you |
| 08:58.18 | the_sniff | oh NO. not that |
| 08:58.26 | Guerin | indeed. |
| 08:58.28 | jetscreamer | good thing this is linux and stupid!=STUPID |
| 08:58.44 | Guerin | jetscreamer: this isn't linux, it's Debian. |
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| 08:58.48 | the_sniff | yeah STUPID == mad stupid |
| 08:59.01 | jetscreamer | no it's #debian |
| 08:59.08 | liable | sunday fun i see |
| 08:59.41 | Guerin | jetscreamer: i'm waiting ... hurry up and make smarmy complaints about his insults ... fair's fair |
| 09:00.04 | the_sniff | dude u need some1 to hold ur hand while trolling? |
| 09:00.20 | Guerin | hee |
| 09:00.29 | Guerin | the irony, it hurts |
| 09:00.41 | Guerin | !irritate the_sniff |
| 09:00.41 | dpkg | the_sniff: hi every1 who uses cable plz msg me, fluxdude |
| 09:00.53 | the_sniff | i must ask again, how old are you? |
| 09:00.55 | xingu | the_sniff: do you get a different result when addressing the device, sda, rather than the partition, sda1 ? |
| 09:01.09 | the_sniff | xingu: no still the same |
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| 09:01.26 | jetscreamer | we're all >50 |
| 09:01.32 | jetscreamer | how old are you |
| 09:01.41 | the_sniff | 69 |
| 09:01.45 | liable | i aint that fucking old yet |
| 09:01.45 | Guerin | the_sniff: a pointless and stupid question, since you have no way of verifying the information I give you, and whatever I say you'll be able to respond with `oh no ur lieing lol i bet ur 12 OMZbbq' |
| 09:01.47 | lightning | 72 |
| 09:01.50 | the_sniff | 68.5 actually |
| 09:01.57 | lightning | i'm wearing diapers |
| 09:01.58 | Guerin | as you have just demonstrated |
| 09:02.10 | xingu | the_sniff: so what's failing is the SCSI ioctl for request sense; /probably/, your transport driver doesn't map this to anything useful (a legitimate approach) |
| 09:02.12 | the_sniff | Guerin: if you lie on irc it's your problem. i should hardly cate |
| 09:02.13 | jetscreamer | i ran out of depends and so i just sit in it |
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| 09:02.25 | xingu | the_sniff: fwiw, mine does (ahci) |
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| 09:02.41 | lightning | just trying to crack a joke |
| 09:02.46 | glguy | when I use aptitude to update my sources, I get 404 not found for security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages and Sources |
| 09:02.49 | glguy | is there a better place to ask questions like mine? |
| 09:02.50 | lightning | not funny, sorry |
| 09:02.51 | glguy | yikes |
| 09:02.55 | glguy | wrong channel on that last one :) |
| 09:02.59 | glguy | am I doing something wrong? is my system out of date? is a server down maybe? |
| 09:03.00 | Guerin | glguy: no, this is the right place. |
| 09:03.09 | the_sniff | xingu: so smth IS wrong? lol |
| 09:03.12 | jetscreamer | glguy: fix your sources |
| 09:03.55 | Guerin | glguy: your sources.list line is malformed. etch/updates/main should be etch/updates main |
| 09:03.56 | glguy | Guerin: I just did this install today? what causes this break? |
| 09:03.56 | Guerin | the_sniff: yes, what's wrong is that the admin is fucking incompetent. |
| 09:04.03 | the_sniff | maybe |
| 09:04.05 | Guerin | glguy: hard to say. Was it like that by default? |
| 09:04.09 | jetscreamer | !mwilsonsmite Guerin |
| 09:04.11 | the_sniff | but he doesn't lie about his age on IRC |
| 09:04.21 | Guerin | the_sniff: impossible to verify. |
| 09:04.23 | glguy | Guerin: I haven't changed that file myself |
| 09:04.30 | lightning | i had some of the best chocolate today |
| 09:04.31 | xingu | the_sniff: the terms in that assessment that need further analysis is "transport" as in - what transport provider are you using? (ata, ahci, scsi, ...) |
| 09:04.31 | the_sniff | well it is possible |
| 09:04.31 | Guerin | (not to mention irrelevant) |
| 09:04.33 | jetscreamer | damn, i could have sworn there was such a factoid |
| 09:04.53 | jetscreamer | you two lads just /ignore each other |
| 09:04.53 | the_sniff | xingu: any tool to help me out with that? |
| 09:04.56 | Guerin | glguy: make the change manually, and file an installation report mentioning this problem. |
| 09:05.01 | xingu | the_sniff: also, kernel version (uname -r) would be useful too; linux sata at least is pretty fast-moving. |
| 09:05.02 | glguy | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 09:05.05 | glguy | that was in my soruces.list |
| 09:05.07 | glguy | is that wrong? |
| 09:05.11 | Guerin | jetscreamer: PLZ STFU KTHX |
| 09:05.18 | jetscreamer | no |
| 09:05.27 | jetscreamer | caps |
| 09:05.30 | Guerin | glguy: no, that's right; but that's not the error you posted |
| 09:05.31 | tetonca | Guerin you're constantly trolling here. |
| 09:05.40 | the_sniff | xingu: kernel is 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 09:05.58 | Guerin | tetonca: you have no idea, since you've only just arrived. |
| 09:05.59 | glguy | Guerin: the error I posted was correct :-/ |
| 09:06.05 | glguy | Guerin: I agree that those two things don't line up |
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| 09:06.18 | jetscreamer | glguy: paste oyur sources |
| 09:06.19 | tetonca | Guerin: I'm logging this. Have been for four hours. |
| 09:06.28 | tetonca | You've been warned. |
| 09:06.32 | jetscreamer | everybody has logs |
| 09:06.35 | jetscreamer | whoopee |
| 09:06.46 | Guerin | tetonca: please don't judge my years of contribution to this channel based on an hour of morons asking stupid questions. |
| 09:06.57 | Guerin | tetonca: are you freenode staff, or what's the story? |
| 09:07.03 | the_sniff | well he should if you are that moron |
| 09:07.31 | glguy | http://rafb.net/p/TWato392.html |
| 09:07.35 | xingu | the_sniff: /sys/class/scsi_host/host*/proc_name might be useful |
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| 09:07.57 | Guerin | glguy: no reason at all that shouldn't work. |
| 09:08.02 | glguy | Guerin: agreed :) |
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| 09:08.10 | the_sniff | xingu: says ati_piix |
| 09:08.13 | the_sniff | what's piix? |
| 09:08.16 | lightning | plus xterm is sweet |
| 09:08.20 | jetscreamer | intel |
| 09:08.27 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 09:08.31 | xingu | the_sniff: it's the piix/ich driver running in ata mode |
| 09:08.31 | Guerin | glguy: delete the file, make a blank sources.list file; run aptitude update; recreate the file and try again |
| 09:08.35 | Guerin | glguy: just for laughs |
| 09:08.37 | glguy | Guerin: I fixed it? |
| 09:08.43 | glguy | Guerin: I did: apt-get update |
| 09:08.45 | glguy | just now, and it works? |
| 09:08.50 | glguy | so... hurray for things that aren't broke |
| 09:08.54 | jetscreamer | might have been serverside |
| 09:08.55 | Guerin | glguy: are you asking, or telling? |
| 09:09.01 | jetscreamer | telling |
| 09:09.07 | jetscreamer | can't you tell? |
| 09:09.10 | glguy | Guerin: telling.. I'm confused as to *why* , but it works |
| 09:09.11 | Guerin | well ... happy days. |
| 09:09.22 | Guerin | ours is not to question why |
| 09:10.03 | glguy | when I press 'u' in aptitude, is that different than `apt-get update`? |
| 09:10.12 | Guerin | jetscreamer: no, because I'm terminally fucktarded. I thought that was clear. I'm actually just a nine year-old with Down Syndrome and access to a computer. |
| 09:10.28 | Guerin | glguy: does aptitude update; work? |
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| 09:10.37 | glguy | Guerin: I *didn't* but who knows now :) |
| 09:10.40 | glguy | it* |
| 09:10.53 | the_sniff | xingu: so did it help? |
| 09:10.54 | jetscreamer | well i didn't know about the down's syndrome dude... :p |
| 09:11.11 | Guerin | jetscreamer: I have learned to hide it well. |
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| 09:11.52 | the_sniff | a down syndrome stricken irc toll :o |
| 09:11.53 | xingu | the_sniff: 2.6.18's support for scsi ioctl <-> atapi mapping isn't as complete as it could be; my /guess/ would be that request sense against non-atapi devices will not work; so - what is the actual problem? nothing in the real world will suffer from those two ioctl's failing |
| 09:12.05 | Guerin | tetonca: who lies about his age... don't forget |
| 09:12.21 | tetonca | I'm 47. |
| 09:12.37 | glguy | a/s/l? |
| 09:12.39 | Guerin | we had this discussion |
| 09:12.42 | glguy | what is this, #teens ? ;) |
| 09:12.51 | the_sniff | xingu: kewl. just what i needed to know :p |
| 09:12.52 | glguy | rather, I suppose it isn't if tetonca is 47 |
| 09:12.54 | Guerin | you're as old as you say you are, and except for a few edge cases, there's no way of verifying it |
| 09:13.09 | Guerin | glguy: apparantly,. although they all claim to be old geezers |
| 09:13.17 | Guerin | apparEntly |
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| 09:13.38 | the_sniff | xingu: what is that sense request thing? |
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| 09:14.22 | xingu | the_sniff: it's /likely/ that your setup supports ahci (lspci | grep -i ICH) - if you do enable this, you'll see about a 7-10% improvement in heavy scattered (bias toward scattered/ random io) workloads |
| 09:15.03 | the_sniff | whats "this" in enable this? and how do i? :x |
| 09:15.04 | xingu | the_sniff: it's how the scsi transport retrieves state from a given endpoint; scsi drive electronics contain state which is impacted independantly of the host stack; request sense is used to ask the disk what's going on. |
| 09:15.19 | xingu | the_sniff: first, look at the hardware - lspci | grep ICH |
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| 09:15.42 | the_sniff | i see IDE interfaces |
| 09:15.54 | the_sniff | sata/ide controller |
| 09:15.54 | xingu | the_sniff: ICHx Family - what is x ? |
| 09:15.58 | the_sniff | 6 |
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| 09:16.51 | xingu | the_sniff: ok; if you bug your vendor or go fishing in your bios, there may well be an option for "enable ahci" - caution - migrating /windows/ from ata to ahci is nontrivial. |
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| 09:17.29 | the_sniff | offtopic "migrating /windows/ from ata to ahci" could lead to a reinstall? |
| 09:17.44 | the_sniff | and i've no physical access atm its in a server farm |
| 09:17.53 | Guerin | migrating windows from ANYTHING requires a reinstall |
| 09:17.57 | Guerin | often more than one |
| 09:18.06 | the_sniff | dude |
| 09:18.13 | the_sniff | you should seriously not reply |
| 09:18.14 | Guerin | you think i'm joking |
| 09:18.22 | the_sniff | i don't care |
| 09:18.23 | xingu | the_sniff: there's a one-shot way you can swizzle between the two; ibm punched out a driver update for one of their notebooks that worked well enough for me (on a non-ibm ich7 notebook) |
| 09:18.23 | Guerin | but i'm actually completely serious |
| 09:18.24 | the_sniff | honestly |
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| 09:18.39 | Guerin | tetonca: you should totally not ask windows questions in #debian if you hope to not be ridiculed |
| 09:18.43 | Guerin | oh |
| 09:18.43 | Guerin | tetonca: sorry |
| 09:18.46 | the_sniff | Guerin: as i said i don't care |
| 09:18.52 | xingu | the_sniff: I wouldn't do anything storage related ever without at least remote console access (ie, terminal server -> physical tty) |
| 09:19.15 | the_sniff | whats a physical tty? |
| 09:19.26 | the_sniff | and terminal server? as in MSTS? |
| 09:19.26 | glguy | is half of this conversation going on in /msg's? |
| 09:19.27 | Guerin | ... |
| 09:19.29 | xingu | the_sniff: physical serial port or what-have-you |
| 09:19.49 | the_sniff | oh |
| 09:19.53 | Supaplex | Where are all the cross compilers and tools? Eg, no results from: apt-file search i386-linux-uclibc-addr2line i386-linux-uclibc-ar i386-linux-uclibc-as i386-linux-uclibc-c++filt i386-linux-uclibc-cpp i386-linux-uclibc-gcc i386-linux-uclibc-gcc-4.1.2 i386-linux-uclibc-gccbug i386-linux-uclibc-gcov i386-linux-uclibc-ld i386-linux-uclibc-nm i386-linux-uclibc-objcopy i386-linux-uclibc-objdump i386-linux-uclibc-ranlib i386-linux-uclibc-readel |
| 09:19.54 | the_sniff | yeah i assume that much |
| 09:19.57 | tetonca | Guerin: don't worry about it. |
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| 09:20.03 | tetonca | I'm not offended. |
| 09:20.06 | Guerin | glguy: i think the_sniff is a cleverly-written conversation bot, trying to pretend to be a human. |
| 09:20.13 | xingu | the_sniff: no, as in a network terminal server - telnet to it and grab the physical line to the main system |
| 09:20.24 | jetscreamer | try just uclibc maybe |
| 09:20.50 | Supaplex | zilch |
| 09:21.08 | the_sniff | xingu: well i guess this isn't what i was looking for but i'll look it up when i can |
| 09:21.10 | the_sniff | big thanks |
| 09:21.15 | jetscreamer | heh... bluetooth-alsa: usr/share/doc/bluetooth-alsa/embed/uclibc.mk.gz not what you want eh :) |
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| 09:23.54 | simonrvn | bluetooth alsa? |
| 09:24.01 | simonrvn | embedded? |
| 09:24.03 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 09:24.15 | Guerin | headsets maybe? |
| 09:24.17 | liable | ear pieces |
| 09:24.22 | Guerin | yeah |
| 09:24.23 | xingu | Supaplex: if you're really stuck, give "crosstool" a look-in. |
| 09:24.24 | simonrvn | mm |
| 09:24.33 | simonrvn | dpkg-cross |
| 09:24.42 | liable | tried it a while back, works |
| 09:24.44 | simonrvn | though that's probably dead now :/ |
| 09:24.47 | Supaplex | yeah, I want to roll debs for em. |
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| 09:25.07 | xingu | Supaplex: dpkg-cross depends on binutils-multiarch |
| 09:25.11 | xingu | Supaplex: seems promising |
| 09:25.15 | Supaplex | cool. |
| 09:25.27 | simonrvn | i used that to make one a looong time ago |
| 09:25.36 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:25.59 | simonrvn | was for an x86 cross-compiler on a ppc box IIRC |
| 09:26.53 | simonrvn | !test |
| 09:26.53 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 09:27.01 | Supaplex | I'm going to saw a few lobes out of openwrt's buildroot brain and perform surgery... :) |
| 09:27.14 | simonrvn | ouch |
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| 09:27.39 | Supaplex | all in the name of full distcc happyness (and 50 nodes in my cluster) |
| 09:27.42 | kanpachi | hello, how do i enable font smoothing in debian etch? |
| 09:27.48 | Guerin | hm, someone seems to be UDP flooding me |
| 09:27.51 | simonrvn | wow |
| 09:28.04 | simonrvn | !antialias |
| 09:28.10 | simonrvn | !antialiasing |
| 09:28.17 | glguy | is it common? reasonable? to run some packages from testing on a stable system? |
| 09:28.21 | Guerin | i'd blame the_sniff but he's nowhere near competent enough |
| 09:28.28 | the_sniff | hm |
| 09:28.31 | Guerin | glguy: neither common nor reasonable |
| 09:28.33 | Supaplex | hummm? !+listkeys :) |
| 09:28.40 | Guerin | glguy: /msg dpkg backports |
| 09:28.44 | simonrvn | not publically no, too spammy |
| 09:28.53 | the_sniff | Guerin you shouldn't through criminal accusations like that around |
| 09:29.02 | simonrvn | throw |
| 09:29.09 | liable | cant you two get a room? |
| 09:29.10 | Guerin | the_sniff: oh, i genuinely don't think it's you |
| 09:29.10 | the_sniff | lol throw |
| 09:29.27 | the_sniff | lol i guess u piss off alot of people |
| 09:29.32 | Guerin | not really |
| 09:29.33 | Agrajag- | "a lot" |
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| 09:29.57 | the_sniff | ok, there's a cool new fashion of correcting whitespaces now? |
| 09:30.11 | simonrvn | it's 2 words ;p |
| 09:30.16 | Guerin | the_sniff: speling iz gud |
| 09:30.25 | Guerin | well, it seems to have stopped anyway |
| 09:30.27 | the_sniff | Guerin: okz i gs uright |
| 09:30.44 | glguy | the_sniff: I think your keyboard might be broken :-/ |
| 09:30.57 | the_sniff | no |
| 09:31.01 | simonrvn | no his internal spell checker is |
| 09:31.03 | xingu | Supaplex: wait, you're using openwrt as a distcc build node? are you insane? |
| 09:31.05 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:31.11 | the_sniff | my chair is and im sitting on a small plastic chair |
| 09:31.17 | Guerin | that's a 60 second sample of traffic to my box |
| 09:31.18 | the_sniff | which seriously hurt my hands :E |
| 09:31.22 | Guerin | the flood seems to have stopped now though |
| 09:31.30 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 09:31.41 | glguy | Guerin: maybe you could start a blog to keep us posted? |
| 09:31.42 | glguy | ;) |
| 09:31.43 | simonrvn | hehe Dewi |
| 09:31.50 | the_sniff | lol |
| 09:31.51 | Guerin | glguy: i'm not emo enough for blogs |
| 09:31.57 | the_sniff | emo? |
| 09:32.02 | Dewi | Guerin: I just need to copy a file. I'll get back to you later |
| 09:32.15 | Supaplex | xingu: uh no, I'm building openwrt |
| 09:32.37 | liable | sheep pr0n site |
| 09:32.39 | Guerin | Dewi: oh. DO you think you could wait a couple hours until you DDOS me again? My wife is trying to read webcomix. |
| 09:32.59 | xingu | Supaplex: :) visions of 100's of openwrt boxes all building tiny tiny pieces of something veeerrry sllloooowwllly |
| 09:33.04 | Dewi | Guerin: how about I use 1/3 of the botnet for 3 times as long? |
| 09:33.09 | Dewi | Guerin: will that give you enough left over? |
| 09:33.16 | Guerin | Dewi: that would be cool. Cheers. |
| 09:33.18 | simonrvn | xingu: heheheh |
| 09:33.23 | Supaplex | xingu: haha. :) |
| 09:33.27 | Guerin | i'd QoS it, but .. well, y'kno |
| 09:33.30 | Guerin | w |
| 09:34.01 | simonrvn | tc is a PITA |
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| 09:35.43 | lightning | simonrvn: tc? |
| 09:37.27 | simonrvn | part of iproute |
| 09:37.32 | simonrvn | wow that worked |
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| 09:37.37 | SKOM | hi |
| 09:37.51 | liable | wtf is botnet spore? |
| 09:37.55 | SKOM | i want to try to compile and configure a mail server. |
| 09:37.58 | simonrvn | note* |
| 09:38.08 | liable | and wtf is providor edge? |
| 09:38.12 | SKOM | can you recommend me anyone ? |
| 09:38.18 | liable | why compile? |
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| 09:38.33 | simonrvn | !wayttd SKOM |
| 09:38.33 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, SKOM? |
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| 09:38.44 | SKOM | what? |
| 09:39.01 | SKOM | i want to run mail server on my machine |
| 09:39.03 | glguy | LOL, I'm taking that command back to #haskell |
| 09:39.17 | viller | I have a partition at the end of the hard drive. Can't I move it backwards? |
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| 09:40.17 | simonrvn | SKOM: "mail server" is very generic. do you want SMTP, POP3, IMAP... |
| 09:40.19 | viller | gparted didn't allow to move it, but it can copy-paste it |
| 09:40.55 | viller | is it safe |
| 09:41.05 | simonrvn | liable: "provider edge" IIRC is the edge routers of an AS |
| 09:41.13 | SKOM | what is better SMTP with POP or IMAP |
| 09:41.23 | xand | probably IMAP |
| 09:41.26 | Guerin | SKOM: IMAP is way more betterer |
| 09:41.31 | xingu | liable: c&c botnets stick out like duck's nuts if you move packet headers from each of the collapsed osi layers into the frequency domain and then cross correlate them across layers and across sensor points |
| 09:41.33 | liable | danke |
| 09:41.33 | SKOM | okay |
| 09:41.35 | simonrvn | i like IMAP personally |
| 09:41.41 | SKOM | so i can try IMAP |
| 09:41.47 | Guerin | i recommend dovecot and exim4, but I use courier and postfix |
| 09:41.53 | Guerin | so there you have it |
| 09:42.08 | SKOM | my frined told me that he use dovecot |
| 09:42.09 | xingu | liable: even more so if you have enough buffer memory to store a few month's worth of trailing data at each layer. |
| 09:42.24 | SKOM | maybe he could help me :) so i'll try dovecot |
| 09:42.36 | liable | xingu: ok, you can stop answering my questions now, i fear the next answer may make my head explode ;) |
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| 09:43.10 | simonrvn | FFT == fast fourier transforms |
| 09:43.16 | simonrvn | s,s,, |
| 09:43.35 | Guerin | nothing like FFS |
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| 09:43.47 | simonrvn | don't ask me *how* to do that though ;) |
| 09:43.51 | simonrvn | Guerin: nope |
| 09:44.11 | xingu | it's pretty neat when you see not only the flood but also the command channel right there on your screens |
| 09:44.19 | xingu | aaanyway. |
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| 09:45.00 | rhz | How can I change the screen resolution from the command line in debian? |
| 09:45.09 | viller | change xorg's conf |
| 09:45.16 | simonrvn | i wanted to get an As, and start getting into that stuff, but i don't have that kind of 'budget', and RL took me in another direction anywa |
| 09:45.18 | Guerin | rhz: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 09:45.29 | lightning | rhz: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 09:45.29 | simonrvn | pardon the typos |
| 09:46.01 | lightning | rhz: you can also nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and edit out every resolution but the one you desire |
| 09:47.44 | glguy | if you are in X already, you can temporarily change it with xrandr |
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| 09:54.57 | simonrvn | don't talk all at once |
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| 09:55.22 | simonrvn | look at what you're doing with all the talking, people are leaving :P |
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| 09:57.42 | xingu | !blame * |
| 09:57.49 | Guerin | it's because I'm no longer keeping everyone's troll glands engorged |
| 09:57.59 | liable | eww |
| 09:58.13 | tetonca | heh. |
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| 09:59.00 | simonrvn | Guerin: O_O |
| 09:59.14 | Guerin | not quite the emoticon I'd have chosen |
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| 09:59.45 | tetonca | it's sunday morning. most people are thinking about Jesus. well in an hour or so. |
| 09:59.50 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:59.59 | tetonca | on the internet we're thinking about .. lots of stuph. none of it divine. |
| 10:00.02 | tetonca | but provable. |
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| 10:00.34 | vamp898 | wo bekomm ich 3D unterstützung für meine Radeon 7200? Der fglrx treiber unterstützt die Grafikkarte nicht. |
| 10:00.43 | Guerin | i had to go pick my car up this morning ... left it parked outside a mate's place since I was far too wankered to drive home at 0400 |
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| 10:01.05 | piper69 | any one knows mysql |
| 10:01.09 | tetonca | my face is swollen like a balloon. |
| 10:01.11 | Guerin | it turns out he lives next door to a samoan chuirch, and they were all really pissed off because I was taking up one of their sunday morning parking spaces |
| 10:01.30 | Guerin | so my sunday morning was spent avoiding surly huge samoans |
| 10:01.38 | tetonca | my typing is driving the upstairs neighbor crazy, but he's asleep and doesn't know just what drove him crazy while he slept. |
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| 10:01.45 | Guerin | piper69: people in #mysql tend to have a passing familiarity |
| 10:02.12 | piper69 | Guerin: they are all sleep ;) |
| 10:02.13 | the_sniff | piper69: and someone here on #debian tend to be an annoying asswipe :e |
| 10:02.41 | piper69 | the_sniff: is it your mama?? |
| 10:02.52 | vamp898 | ah sry^^ not the right channel |
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| 10:03.06 | xingu | Guerin: it's probably the decal of the holy mother fornicating you've got on the bonnet that really got them going though |
| 10:03.31 | Guerin | xingu: heh. |
| 10:03.36 | the_sniff | piper69: are you dimwited? |
| 10:03.37 | Guerin | ~:E |
| 10:03.38 | apt | Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! |
| 10:03.54 | Guerin | the_sniff: dimwitted. |
| 10:04.08 | Guerin | the irony |
| 10:04.22 | the_sniff | ~:E ? |
| 10:04.23 | apt | Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! |
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| 10:04.41 | Guerin | ooo, monkey-see, monkey-do |
| 10:04.46 | the_sniff | Guerin: the irony is i was calling you an annoying asswipe and u proved it while he was insulted? |
| 10:04.53 | the_sniff | strike that qm |
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| 10:05.06 | piper69 | the_sniff: nope, but i thought you could smell her c**t over a mile thats why you were asking |
| 10:05.14 | Guerin | the_sniff: you were calling *me* an annoying asswipe? Aww, so cute. |
| 10:05.41 | Guerin | the_sniff: how did you manage to piss off piper69 then? |
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| 10:05.45 | the_sniff | piper69: you are stupid and hard of reading even lines as short as irc |
| 10:05.47 | the_sniff | i don't know |
| 10:05.49 | piper69 | Guerin: is he callin you that or he is calling me |
| 10:05.53 | Guerin | piper69: you. |
| 10:05.55 | the_sniff | he seems to lack the ability to read |
| 10:05.57 | the_sniff | see? |
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| 10:06.13 | the_sniff | piper69: im calling Guerin that. |
| 10:06.30 | Guerin | <heh> |
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| 10:06.43 | the_sniff | O_÷ |
| 10:06.46 | the_sniff | E_x |
| 10:06.49 | streuner | fuck |
| 10:06.49 | piper69 | Guerin: you are a trouble maker man |
| 10:06.58 | Guerin | piper69: this is a common misconception. |
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| 10:07.05 | piper69 | the_sniff: accept my apology man |
| 10:07.10 | streuner | create your own channel and say there HOW you love each other |
| 10:07.22 | Guerin | piper69: i didn't say a damn thing - you insulted his mother without any intervention from me. |
| 10:07.28 | piper69 | streuner: sorry |
| 10:07.34 | xingu | streuner: but don't say anything about how you love butch samoans |
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| 10:08.10 | the_sniff | Guerin: he just has good intuition, he read you from the start |
| 10:08.12 | streuner | Guerin: Must YOU always be on the top of this bullshit? |
| 10:08.13 | xingu | streuner: it's *way* too early in the morning for that sort of mano a mano |
| 10:08.39 | Guerin | streuner: nothing to do with me. |
| 10:08.43 | the_sniff | streuner: tetonca was supporting you on that |
| 10:08.54 | tetonca | You guys are aware this is logged and printed to the WWW in real time right? |
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| 10:09.02 | Guerin | the_sniff: absolutely. |
| 10:09.06 | Guerin | tetonca: absolutely. |
| 10:09.08 | tetonca | The whole world is watching. |
| 10:09.11 | Guerin | tetonca: has been for years. |
| 10:09.21 | the_sniff | tetonca lol |
| 10:09.24 | the_sniff | who cared :p |
| 10:09.26 | tetonca | It's annoying to discover this when privacy was assumed. ;) |
| 10:09.37 | Guerin | why would you ever assume privacy? |
| 10:09.57 | Guerin | if you want privacy, use TOR |
| 10:09.57 | the_sniff | hmm i think im lagging |
| 10:09.57 | tetonca | Ignorance? |
| 10:09.57 | viller | this logging to www thing is like listening on phone calls IMO |
| 10:09.57 | Guerin | otherwise presume your mother is reading everything you say |
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| 10:10.15 | Guerin | viller: not really. |
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| 10:10.18 | tetonca | It's .. no. It's when you want to keep a nick. |
| 10:10.29 | tetonca | Then you wonder why you said that on-channel. |
| 10:10.29 | piper69 | the_sniff: am sorry man, i just misunderstood |
| 10:10.31 | glguy | lol, you are expecting privacy to a public forum inhabited by 700 some people |
| 10:10.34 | tetonca | And why it's permanent. |
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| 10:11.01 | tetonca | archive.org for example. |
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| 10:11.17 | xingu | glguy: it's like streaking at wembly and then being pissed that pictures of your dong are in the national press |
| 10:11.24 | tetonca | hehe. |
| 10:11.26 | tetonca | right. |
| 10:11.28 | tetonca | exactlyuu. |
| 10:11.33 | blah1231 | !ask hello i have a q is there a msn client for debian which supports voice / audio conversations ? |
| 10:11.34 | dpkg | blah1231: okay |
| 10:11.38 | simonrvn | Guerin: was a joke :) |
| 10:11.43 | the_sniff | piper69: its ok its all Guerin's fault. he's the reason for world hunger, genocide, the holocaust and all wars |
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| 10:11.46 | blah1231 | when i say debian i mean debian stable |
| 10:11.46 | James | Does anyone know the correct command for mounting an SMB share? |
| 10:11.48 | the_sniff | people hate since he exist |
| 10:11.52 | Guerin | dpkg, forget ask hello i have a q |
| 10:11.52 | dpkg | Guerin: i forgot ask hello i have a q |
| 10:11.53 | blah1231 | preferably .. |
| 10:11.55 | streuner | !listauth blah1231 |
| 10:11.55 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'blah1231' returned no results. |
| 10:11.57 | the_sniff | and he has been since the dawn of time |
| 10:12.01 | the_sniff | Guerin is SATAN |
| 10:12.13 | Guerin | the_sniff: a less-common misconception. |
| 10:12.15 | xand | James: mount -t smbfs -o username=blah,workgroup=blah //server/share /mnt/blah |
| 10:12.15 | xingu | well the samoans at least would agree |
| 10:12.21 | blah1231 | eh |
| 10:12.31 | xand | James: see man smbmount for more options. |
| 10:12.31 | blah1231 | fine brb |
| 10:12.45 | Guerin | blah1231: try gaim-vv |
| 10:12.46 | blah1231 | my username is normally black1231313 |
| 10:12.49 | blah1231 | or something like that |
| 10:12.51 | viller | I use mount -t smbfs //Share /home/user/myfolder |
| 10:12.58 | Guerin | viller: use smbmount |
| 10:12.59 | blah1231 | oh gaim-vv isn't that really old - does it still work ? |
| 10:13.07 | xand | viller: that won't do much without the server name ;) |
| 10:13.15 | Guerin | blah1231: no idea; I don't have any need for multimedia chat |
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| 10:13.27 | viller | xand: I meant //Server/folder |
| 10:13.33 | tosh| | did an install from cd, now I want to add online apt sources, whats the package name I have to dpkg-reconfigure again? |
| 10:13.34 | blah1231 | lol k |
| 10:13.51 | piper69 | the_sniff: so we are cool,right? |
| 10:13.54 | streuner | tosh|: which apt sources? |
| 10:13.55 | the_sniff | Guerin: so ur saying ur just an asshole? not satan-asshole? |
| 10:14.02 | Guerin | tosh|: install and run apt-spy |
| 10:14.10 | Guerin | !ur |
| 10:14.10 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 10:14.13 | viller | Guerin: why should I use smbmount. Why is it better? |
| 10:14.14 | the_sniff | piper69 yeah, just /msg #debian Guerin is SATAN and we're ok :p |
| 10:14.20 | Travelling5alesM | hi, how can i find out what's my current keyboard layout? so i can put it in my status bar in wmii |
| 10:14.21 | Guerin | the_sniff: i haven't been to Ur. |
| 10:14.23 | streuner | tosh|: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 10:14.38 | Guerin | viller: it's not so much that it's better in that it behaves more sanely since it's designed for samba |
| 10:14.47 | streuner | !listvals keyboard |
| 10:14.48 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'keyboard' by value (15 of 69): CMD: ue (.*?) ;; afk ;; configure keyboard ;; eebcak ;; irritating nick ;; magic sysreq ;; pda ;; pebck ;; pol ;; ps/2 ;; ps/2 port ;; qotd10 ;; qotd104 ;; serial port ;; ¿. |
| 10:14.50 | the_sniff | Guerin Country code for 'ur' is You are |
| 10:15.00 | tosh| | streuner thnx |
| 10:15.00 | glguy | piper69: I don't know if you are new to IRC, but you don't need to try to make up with the_sniff or anyone else for that matter |
| 10:15.09 | streuner | !configure keyboard |
| 10:15.24 | James | xand: Thanks. Actually I'm running inside QEmu and the share has no password (and I don't know what the usename would be). I was able to access the share with smbclient -N //10.0.2.4/qemu but I got an unhelpful error message when I said sudo mount -t smbfs //10.0.2.4/qemu /mnt/shared |
| 10:15.29 | streuner | !factinfo configure keyboard |
| 10:15.29 | dpkg | configure keyboard -- created by mentor <~matthew@195.10.121.92> at Wed Oct 16 01:00:24 2002 (1754 days); it has been requested 22 times, last by sward at Fri Aug 19 12:45:56 2005. |
| 10:15.31 | Guerin | the_sniff: in the immortal words of Jules: `English, motherfucker, do you speak it?' |
| 10:15.33 | streuner | hm |
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| 10:15.42 | viller | damn gparted takes forever. It's been at "1 seconds left" for a long time now |
| 10:15.45 | the_sniff | no |
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| 10:15.48 | the_sniff | i actually don't |
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| 10:16.05 | tosh| | how do I disable the CLI bell/beeping? |
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| 10:16.13 | streuner | Travelling5alesM: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 10:16.17 | Renfield | Can someone suggest an mp3 encoder for Debian? |
| 10:16.18 | piper69 | glguy: got it, thanks buddy |
| 10:16.18 | streuner | Travelling5alesM: it might help |
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| 10:16.24 | Guerin | tosh|: /msg dpkg bell |
| 10:16.34 | Guerin | Renfield: lame is the only mp3 encoder |
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| 10:16.42 | streuner | !bell |
| 10:16.43 | dpkg | bell is, like, "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
| 10:16.45 | Guerin | Renfield: debian-multimedia.org |
| 10:16.54 | the_sniff | Guerin only mp4 encoder? |
| 10:16.56 | Renfield | Guerin: When I type apt-get install lame it says that lame is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 10:16.56 | the_sniff | mp3 |
| 10:17.00 | streuner | hm |
| 10:17.08 | Guerin | Renfield: see the url above |
| 10:17.13 | Renfield | Guerin: Thanks. |
| 10:17.18 | Guerin | the_sniff: now you're just making up random shit. |
| 10:18.03 | the_sniff | <Guerin> Renfield: lame is the only mp3 encoder |
| 10:18.11 | the_sniff | im making shit up? |
| 10:18.21 | Guerin | ... |
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| 10:18.58 | tetonca | tosh| edit ~/.inputrc 'set bell-style none' or similar. |
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| 10:20.03 | tosh| | dpkg helped me out, thnx tetonca |
| 10:20.11 | tosh| | setterm -blength 0 |
| 10:20.24 | Supaplex | !bts 431160 |
| 10:20.32 | tosh| | apt-spy segfaulted. way to go. |
| 10:20.32 | CAiRO_ | hmm, i have a problem with my sdcard-reader, i always have to try to mount it twice, first, it says "device does not exist" and only then the kernel seems to create the sdcard device.. why is that? why can't it create the first time? |
| 10:20.34 | tetonca | rgr. |
| 10:20.37 | Supaplex | !buginfo 431160 |
| 10:20.38 | Guerin | Supaplex: dbugs |
| 10:20.44 | Supaplex | !dbugs 431160 |
| 10:20.47 | dpkg | #431160:N[live-helper] should exit when one helper fails; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:48:01 UTC |
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| 10:20.49 | Supaplex | Guerin: ty :) |
| 10:20.56 | Guerin | npbbq |
| 10:21.03 | Supaplex | bbq? :P |
| 10:21.16 | James | This place is so busy it's impossible to follow. I'm off to use Usenet instead. Bye... |
| 10:21.24 | Guerin | !customer |
| 10:21.24 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 10:21.29 | Supaplex | haha |
| 10:21.59 | Supaplex | Guerin: I guess he won't like #ubuntu huh? :-D |
| 10:22.06 | Guerin | likely not |
| 10:22.58 | Supaplex | my bad. that just hurts. |
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| 10:23.40 | tetonca | yikes. |
| 10:24.36 | piper69 | how can i search for a word in vi |
| 10:24.49 | liable | piper69: / |
| 10:24.58 | jamesd_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:27.49 | piper69 | liable: thank you |
| 10:29.12 | liable | np |
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| 10:34.03 | mikess | mepis leaning back toward Debian |
| 10:34.07 | mikess | hmm |
| 10:34.30 | liable | are they the one that switched to ubuntu for source? |
| 10:34.37 | mikess | yes |
| 10:34.45 | liable | suckers |
| 10:34.56 | mikess | The grass was not greener |
| 10:35.30 | tetonca | um ubuntu derives from Debian, not the other way around. |
| 10:35.44 | mikess | exactly |
| 10:35.46 | tetonca | Like .. by a decade. |
| 10:35.58 | liable | yes, and mepis based from debian, then switched to ubuntu.. |
| 10:36.05 | twb | I have had nothing but grief from Ubuntu's bug system |
| 10:36.07 | liable | who said otherwise? |
| 10:36.09 | mikess | Mepis/Debian was good |
| 10:36.12 | tetonca | debian is pretty much canonical Linux 'distribution' (not the kernel but all the rest). |
| 10:36.26 | tetonca | tho good args to the contrary are made. |
| 10:36.27 | twb | tetonca: Debian is a GNU/Linux distribution. |
| 10:36.33 | tetonca | twb: no. |
| 10:36.33 | liable | thanks for the history lesson |
| 10:36.39 | tetonca | that's an RMS-ism. |
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| 10:36.48 | liable | erm, it is |
| 10:36.54 | oleth | hello I have debian on a hp pavillion 9312ea notebook and I am trying to make the modem to work (in win is is registered as HDAUDIO Soft Data Fax Modem with SmartCP). I have tried Kppp and I get "modem is busy". Any ideas? Is it winmodem? |
| 10:36.55 | twb | tetonca: one that Debian respects and complies with. |
| 10:37.04 | liable | linux is the kernel, gnu is userspace (mostly) |
| 10:37.12 | tetonca | right. |
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| 10:37.18 | boodi1 | Hi |
| 10:37.27 | zsz | howcome I get "Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 212.211.132.250 80]" when trying to apt-get update? The file *does* exist. |
| 10:37.33 | twb | Debian also provides experimental distributions for GNU on other kernels. |
| 10:37.36 | mikess | oleth: You on 'dial up"? |
| 10:37.41 | tetonca | Linux is GPL. GPL<>GNU! |
| 10:38.03 | oleth | mikess: I am stuck to a place with dial up only :-( |
| 10:38.04 | twb | Linux is not GPL. Linux is *licensed* under the terms of the GPL. |
| 10:38.11 | tetonca | anyway I'm too tired to parse this further. |
| 10:38.20 | liable | you started it |
| 10:38.33 | tetonca | that's playground rules. I'm tired. |
| 10:38.37 | twb | While we might hand-wave details away when talking to non-technical people like management, IMO it's not OK to adopt hand-waving amongst ourselves |
| 10:38.39 | mikess | oleth: You have an external modem connected? |
| 10:39.03 | oleth | mikess: no the internal only... the one the notebook came with.. |
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| 10:39.37 | tetonca | Good pt: we are evaluated on what we type in IRC not what we thought while typing. Agree. |
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| 10:39.56 | liable | tetonca: you may actually want to read the first paragraph of debian.org to straighten out your misconception ;) |
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| 10:40.13 | tetonca | I've been using Debian since 1995 or so. |
| 10:40.17 | mikess | oleth: they are not well supported,I use an external usb modem when needing dial up |
| 10:40.18 | tetonca | Can I go now? |
| 10:40.24 | boodi1 | Hi: I have a dual boot system, with windows and linux (2 users in the folder /home); what would be the most practical way to backup on a DVD-RW? |
| 10:40.24 | glguy | dismissed |
| 10:40.27 | mikess | no |
| 10:40.36 | tetonca | thanks. |
| 10:40.39 | oleth | mikess: i currently surf with win (dual boot) |
| 10:41.07 | oleth | mikess: can I get it minimal ly working/ |
| 10:41.15 | oleth | working? |
| 10:41.43 | mikess | ok |
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| 10:44.24 | viller | gimme a name of a CLI partition editor please |
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| 10:44.43 | liable | cfdisk |
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| 10:45.42 | zicho | can anyone help me? My computer wont find my /dev/sda1 when i have plugged it in, althought it has worked before. |
| 10:46.04 | liable | if you want something to adjust instead of just make/delete, check out parted |
| 10:47.10 | viller | I have used cfdisk before, I just didn't remember its name. I only wanted to make a partition bootable |
| 10:47.49 | twb | viller: ed |
| 10:47.56 | twb | viller: oh sorry, partition editor. |
| 10:48.13 | viller | does grub have to be installed on the master hard-drive or can it be installed on a slave too? |
| 10:48.21 | twb | parted -s /dev/sda set 1 boot on, IIRC |
| 10:48.44 | twb | viller: it can be installed anywhere, but something has to know how to get to that place |
| 10:49.35 | twb | e.g. you could have LILO on the MBR and Grub Legacy on the first partition |
| 10:49.39 | viller | damn Ubuntu LiveCD is so slow and I don't have anything better |
| 10:50.01 | liable | the debian install cd is good for fixing grub |
| 10:50.27 | twb | Is there even a way to prevent X from starting on the Ubuntu cds? |
| 10:50.42 | liable | yes |
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| 10:51.07 | twb | liable: how? |
| 10:51.29 | liable | its a boot option when it first starts |
| 10:51.42 | viller | X is good |
| 10:51.53 | viller | just slow on Ubuntu (GNOME and stuff) |
| 10:51.57 | Supaplex | twb: #ubuntu would know better... |
| 10:52.22 | viller | can I do grub-install /dev/hdd (hdd is slave BTW)? |
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| 10:54.45 | twb | liable: hmm, OK |
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| 10:55.39 | viller | can I do grub-install /dev/hdd (hdd is slave BTW)? It will work right? |
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| 10:57.34 | bolt | viller: it wont blow up. give it a shot. |
| 10:57.46 | DevilChaos | hi i keep getting hut with syn packets inbound IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=mac addy DST=my pc ip TOS-0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL-57 ID=63151 DF=PROTO-TCP SPT=48608 DPT=6588 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 |
| 10:57.57 | Supaplex | viller: if in doubt, keep a bootable cd handy |
| 10:58.11 | DevilChaos | or some kind of packets |
| 10:58.23 | bolt | DevilChaos: and? |
| 10:58.25 | DevilChaos | get alot of scroll in console |
| 10:58.46 | DevilChaos | does this info mean anything to you? |
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| 10:58.52 | Supaplex | DevilChaos: setterm -msglevel 1 and use -m limit for iptables logging rules |
| 10:58.53 | liable | you can change klogd's default so it drops those |
| 10:59.15 | liable | apparently you should do it with sysctl now, check klogd's changelog |
| 10:59.30 | viller | "could not find device for /boot" what does that mean? It can't find my distros /boot? Maybe I should replace /dev/hdd with /dev/hdd1 where /boot is actually located? |
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| 11:02.13 | DevilChaos | where is config file located for iptable please? |
| 11:03.05 | DevilChaos | no matter |
| 11:03.58 | Supaplex | there's not really one. /etc/init.d/iptables is depreciated |
| 11:04.39 | DevilChaos | so how do i set -m limit logging rules then? |
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| 11:05.11 | Supaplex | iptables -m limit --help |
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| 11:05.54 | twb | liable: I don't see any option to disable X, unless that's what "safe graphics" means. |
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| 11:06.50 | DevilChaos | Supaplex: ok so what argument do i need to put into the command iptables -m limit |
| 11:07.00 | DevilChaos | i know i just got the help screen but |
| 11:07.14 | viller | grub-install gives me "could not find device for /boot: not found or not a block device"? |
| 11:07.15 | Supaplex | DevilChaos: you see the limit section? |
| 11:07.26 | DevilChaos | em sounds silly but havent ever known how to make it do a page at a time |
| 11:07.28 | Supaplex | iptables ... -m limit ... -j ... |
| 11:07.46 | twb | viller: what argument are you passing to grub-install? |
| 11:07.46 | Supaplex | | $PAGER aka | less. eg, ls -l | less |
| 11:08.04 | twb | Supaplex: on Debian, pager is a valid command! :-) |
| 11:08.10 | Supaplex | some programs go to stderr, so iptables ... --help 2>&1 | less |
| 11:08.16 | liable | twb: ok, i dont have one with me at the moment, and I prolly wouldn't be so bothered to check, so I will leave it at that |
| 11:08.27 | Supaplex | twb: usually yes :) |
| 11:08.41 | Supaplex | s/usually/commonly/ |
| 11:08.56 | twb | liable: I was actually just bitching about how Ubuntu didn't have a text-only mode on its live CD, so when you disagreed I was confused |
| 11:09.05 | twb | As long as I'm right, all is well :-) |
| 11:09.15 | liable | heh |
| 11:09.52 | viller | twb: grub-install /dev/hdd or grub-install hd1 or hd0 or /dev/hdc no matter what I do it still doesn't work |
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| 11:10.29 | twb | viller: what bootloader are you currently using? |
| 11:10.45 | Supaplex | viller: word for word grub errors have good exposure on google. |
| 11:10.50 | DevilChaos | ok next problem i can sort the iptables stuff later |
| 11:11.05 | viller | twb: grub but it doesn't work right now so I just want to reinstall it |
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| 11:11.18 | DevilChaos | my monitor packed in an ive bought a new one 19" widescreen |
| 11:11.23 | twb | viller: so how are you booting? |
| 11:11.33 | zicho | can anyone help me? My computer wont find my /dev/sda1 when i have plugged it in, althought it has worked before. |
| 11:11.47 | abrotman | viller: can you tell us more info? how many drives? are they sata ? |
| 11:11.53 | twb | zicho: this is a USB mass storage device? |
| 11:12.07 | viller | twb: liveCD :D. Ok I found out a way through the command grub. I'm going to try it out now |
| 11:12.15 | zicho | twb: yes |
| 11:12.34 | DevilChaos | now my xconfig doesnt work and ive been through it a few times any suggestions as to what might be wrong i get a message from the monitor that 1280x1024 is not optimum res or something it flashes too quick for me to read it right |
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| 11:13.02 | twb | DevilChaos: that information is logged in /var/log/Xorg.log.N, where N is an integer. |
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| 11:13.05 | DevilChaos | try lower res? |
| 11:13.09 | twb | *nonnegative |
| 11:13.09 | liable | DevilChaos: so check you x log |
| 11:13.23 | DevilChaos | ah ok forgot bout that |
| 11:13.24 | twb | Sorry, Xorg.N.log |
| 11:13.31 | DevilChaos | ty |
| 11:15.16 | zicho | twb: can you help me with it? =/ |
| 11:15.29 | twb | zicho: yes. |
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| 11:15.57 | zicho | twb: what am i supposed to do then? |
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| 11:16.14 | WP-Gast227 | http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?uid=2851 ....klick ma büdde |
| 11:16.15 | twb | zicho: I don't feel like discussing it. Wait for someone else to help you. |
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| 11:16.54 | Supaplex | zicho: is it in /proc/partitions ? |
| 11:17.15 | liable | what does dmesg say about it is a good start |
| 11:17.34 | zicho | Supaplex: No. |
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| 11:18.00 | zicho | Supaplex: It is supposed to become /dev/sda1 as soon as you plug it in. |
| 11:18.38 | Supaplex | zicho: do other usb devices work? what's changed since it worked last? check dmesg like liable suggested? |
| 11:18.48 | Supaplex | or tail -f /var/log/messages |
| 11:18.54 | ndp | buongiorno |
| 11:18.57 | Supaplex | does the drive have enough power? |
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| 11:20.03 | twb | Supaplex: the kernel should complain if it doesn't, I think |
| 11:20.23 | zicho | Supaplex: It worked at first, then i unmounted it, and when i plugged it in again it didnt work. And yes, it has sufficient power |
| 11:20.25 | Supaplex | you'd think |
| 11:20.33 | liable | if the kernel complains, and nobody is at the console, does it make a noise? |
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| 11:20.38 | Supaplex | that's helpful. humm... |
| 11:20.38 | DevilChaos | did nano /var/log/Xorg.0.log and its a huge file with no EE messages |
| 11:20.50 | Supaplex | liable: hopefully syslog catches the noise. :P |
| 11:20.53 | twb | liable: logcheck is always watching |
| 11:21.11 | liable | twb: yes, but who is watching logcheck? |
| 11:21.27 | twb | Enrico Fermi |
| 11:21.29 | Supaplex | DevilChaos: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be eaiser :) |
| 11:21.35 | zicho | my /var/log/messages said "Aug 5 12:45:38 psilocybin kernel: USB Mass Storage support registered. |
| 11:21.35 | zicho | Aug 5 12:45:44 psilocybin kernel: usb 1-2: USB disconnect, address 3 |
| 11:21.35 | zicho | Aug 5 12:48:46 psilocybin syslogd 1.4.1#18: restart. |
| 11:21.36 | zicho | " |
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| 11:21.44 | DevilChaos | he yup yup |
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| 11:21.58 | zicho | sry. |
| 11:22.01 | liable | interesting hostname |
| 11:22.09 | twb | zicho: it may have a new name, like sdb |
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| 11:23.05 | zicho | twb: No, I checked. |
| 11:23.06 | Supaplex | zicho: let's see before and after copies of /proc/partitions at http://rafb.net/paste (with a 15 second delay after plugging it in) |
| 11:23.11 | DevilChaos | EE= AIGLX screen 0 is not dri compatable |
| 11:23.18 | liable | bah |
| 11:23.27 | liable | stupid nicktab |
| 11:23.49 | Penix | bilge pump?... |
| 11:23.54 | Penix | !penixstrike Supaplex |
| 11:23.54 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Supaplex to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 11:24.15 | zicho | My /var/log/messages says that it gets disconnected right after I plug it in |
| 11:24.45 | DevilChaos | Supaplex: monitor is not dri campatable? |
| 11:25.03 | zicho | 5 seconds after it finds it, it is automatically disconnected |
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| 11:25.39 | Supaplex | Penix: spell it for me. gray matter is running on fumes here. |
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| 11:26.09 | Penix | Supaplex: I *think* I know what you mean ;) |
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| 11:26.37 | twb | DevilChaos: no, the GPU |
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| 11:26.39 | Supaplex | too much blood in the caffeine stream |
| 11:26.49 | DevilChaos | theres no gey matter in my head right now just sawdust |
| 11:26.58 | twb | DevilChaos: screen = gpu + monitor |
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| 11:27.05 | DevilChaos | eh? |
| 11:27.23 | DevilChaos | as a said |
| 11:27.25 | DevilChaos | theres no gey matter in my head right now just sawdust |
| 11:27.28 | liable | !ops please put Lepric to rest |
| 11:27.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: please put Lepric to rest |
| 11:27.35 | twb | In X terms, a "screen" is a combination of one or more graphics processing units and one or more monitors. |
| 11:28.04 | DevilChaos | twb:? |
| 11:28.11 | twb | DevilChaos: look, forget it. |
| 11:28.27 | twb | DevilChaos: your graphics card, as configured, does not support DRI |
| 11:28.39 | twb | DevilChaos: that means you don't get 3d acceleration. |
| 11:28.42 | DevilChaos | swith that off then? |
| 11:28.53 | twb | Switch *what* off? |
| 11:28.54 | DevilChaos | thats fuckin shit]# |
| 11:29.07 | twb | DevilChaos: could you be more specific? |
| 11:29.23 | DevilChaos | so why am i not gettin it ? |
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| 11:29.40 | DevilChaos | its a saphire x1600 card with 512mb ram |
| 11:29.40 | twb | DevilChaos: could you be more specific? |
| 11:29.43 | DevilChaos | pci express |
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| 11:29.58 | twb | Probably because you're using a recent ATI or Nvidia product. |
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| 11:30.31 | Supaplex | DevilChaos: who makes it? |
| 11:30.33 | DevilChaos | bollocks so i need to compile a new driver then to work with the screen] |
| 11:30.40 | twb | Those companies actively conceal information about their products, making it impossible to support them properly. |
| 11:30.42 | DevilChaos | ATI |
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| 11:30.47 | Supaplex | !ati |
| 11:30.48 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com |
| 11:31.08 | DevilChaos | module assistant it is then |
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| 11:31.17 | twb | Please write to the manufacturer complaining, then get different hardware. |
| 11:31.25 | DevilChaos | reboot first for ne kernel |
| 11:31.34 | Supaplex | I'll trade you for older hardware ;) |
| 11:31.44 | twb | If you use the tainted binary drivers you are just sending a message to the manufacturer that it's OK to act like bastards. |
| 11:32.01 | twb | Supaplex: well sure, I just use old cards. |
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| 11:32.05 | DevilChaos | nah am goin ti take it to there head quarters an ram it down there throat mney grabbing assholes |
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| 11:32.38 | twb | DevilChaos: violence, at least on the domestic scale, is not conducive to changing the behaviour of bastard corporations. |
| 11:32.44 | Supaplex | hit the pocketbook first. boycot/refund/etc :) |
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| 11:33.08 | Supaplex | !tell DevilChaos -about hcl |
| 11:33.18 | abrotman | ati supports xgl currently |
| 11:33.41 | DevilChaos | hey abrotman how goes it? |
| 11:33.43 | abrotman | or last i checked anyways |
| 11:33.47 | abrotman | hi DevilChaos |
| 11:34.01 | abrotman | DevilChaos: it's sunday .. two days of work .. then off for a few days .. |
| 11:34.21 | DevilChaos | alright for sum full 5 day week for me |
| 11:34.33 | DevilChaos | hlidays? |
| 11:34.44 | abrotman | i'm going to visit family |
| 11:34.49 | DevilChaos | exellent |
| 11:34.59 | twb | Supaplex: and, of course, advocacy no-advocacy |
| 11:35.17 | abrotman | DevilChaos: which ati model ? |
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| 11:35.30 | DevilChaos | ok so u reckon fglrx driver should cut it? for the monitor then? |
| 11:35.33 | abrotman | nevermind . i see |
| 11:35.33 | Supaplex | indeed |
| 11:35.37 | DevilChaos | instaed o vesa driver |
| 11:35.41 | Supaplex | twb: I agree :) |
| 11:35.45 | abrotman | the fglrx supports xgl . not aiglx |
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| 11:36.02 | twb | DevilChaos: you should be using the Free "ati" driver. |
| 11:36.06 | DevilChaos | ok so whats the diff? |
| 11:36.13 | twb | The fglrx driver is not Free. |
| 11:36.24 | abrotman | twb: the ati driver in etch won't give him 3d |
| 11:36.27 | DevilChaos | so what is the free one? |
| 11:36.43 | DevilChaos | man i need to do some research |
| 11:36.49 | twb | abrotman: that is correct. |
| 11:37.04 | abrotman | twb: then he *still* won't have aiglx |
| 11:37.21 | DevilChaos | google here i come |
| 11:37.28 | Supaplex | idealistic isn't nearly as close to realistic all too often I'm afraid. |
| 11:37.31 | DevilChaos | oops forgot cant no x |
| 11:37.37 | abrotman | !xgl |
| 11:37.37 | dpkg | methinks xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 11:37.42 | Supaplex | DevilChaos: apt-get install elinks |
| 11:37.45 | abrotman | DevilChaos: links/lynx/w3m/links2 |
| 11:38.29 | Supaplex | gmta :) |
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| 11:39.12 | DevilChaos | wtf is gmta? |
| 11:39.27 | abrotman | grandmaster theft auto |
| 11:39.49 | Supaplex | !gmta |
| 11:39.49 | dpkg | somebody said gmta was great minds think alike, or see gmafta |
| 11:39.58 | DevilChaos | abrotman: so i want the othe four u said aswell ? |
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| 11:40.17 | abrotman | DevilChaos: those are text browsers .. you know .. ones that work without X :) |
| 11:40.19 | Supaplex | DevilChaos: choose one (or more if you really want) |
| 11:40.29 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 11:40.30 | dpkg | methinks fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 11:40.34 | Supaplex | DevilChaos: behold aptitude show <package> |
| 11:40.48 | DevilChaos | a need to go back to bed an start again today am just not with it |
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| 11:43.44 | DevilChaos | ok ill hold onto that one need a reboot for new kernel |
| 11:43.55 | DevilChaos | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:44.04 | abrotman | he'll never return |
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| 11:45.48 | liable | he's semi regular, he will return to annoy us more for sure :) |
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| 11:46.45 | abrotman | liable: he needs more fiber |
| 11:47.24 | liable | oh, he's having bowel movement problems? |
| 11:47.58 | abrotman | you said he's semiregular |
| 11:48.17 | liable | duh, i am a bit slow indeed |
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| 11:52.46 | twb | Supaplex: w3m is installed on Debian by default |
| 11:52.54 | liable | stinky! |
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| 11:53.06 | abrotman | twb: no |
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| 11:53.22 | Supaplex | !+info w3m etch |
| 11:53.24 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 11:53.27 | dpkg | w3m: (WWW browsable pager with excellent tables/frames support), section text, is standard. Version: 0.5.1-5.1 (etch), Packaged size: 1074 kB, Installed size: 1828 kB |
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| 11:53.55 | Supaplex | standard, as in tasksel standard? |
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| 11:54.44 | twb | Well, on all the hosts I've installed with d-i, w3m is installed automatically without asking |
| 11:54.58 | abrotman | twb: then you did it .. i've got numerous machines that don't have it |
| 11:55.05 | abrotman | all installed with d-i .. but i skip tasksel |
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| 11:55.32 | liable | project9: i think 'an ass' was appropriate, no need for kid gloves |
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| 11:55.47 | abrotman | liable: wrong channel ? |
| 11:55.54 | liable | indeed |
| 11:56.08 | twb | ftp://twb.ath.cx/tmp/aptitude.log |
| 11:56.27 | project9 | liable: can u pls explan |
| 11:56.39 | liable | project9: mistake, ignore. |
| 11:56.48 | abrotman | twb: you did it |
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| 11:56.52 | twb | abrotman: you're lying |
| 11:56.58 | abrotman | twb: would you like to bet ? |
| 11:57.13 | twb | I certainly didn't ask for tcsh or wamerican |
| 11:57.25 | twb | And the log shows they were installed by the same invocation of aptitude |
| 11:57.27 | abrotman | twb: did you skip tasksel or use it ? |
| 11:57.34 | twb | I selected nothing in tasksel |
| 11:57.38 | xingu | hoorah, that's the rate matching/ telecine bit dealt with, now lets see if I can squeak a slightly less "holy internet postage-stamp sized videos batman" compression target. |
| 11:57.57 | abrotman | twb: i've got numerous boxes installed with etch's d-i .. and they have no w3m |
| 11:58.11 | abrotman | so something you selected to install .. grabbed it |
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| 11:58.39 | twb | Something that also installed an MTA |
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| 11:58.55 | DevilChaos | !fglrx |
| 11:58.55 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
| 11:58.57 | twb | But was run after the kernel was installed |
| 11:59.24 | DevilChaos | twb:could u print the one-liner agian for me please? |
| 11:59.26 | abrotman | !tell DevilChaos about fglrx one-liner |
| 11:59.35 | DevilChaos | cheers |
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| 12:00.36 | abrotman | twb: hold on .. i'll run the install on your box |
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| 12:04.00 | erore | I am having trouble installing man-db package, I always get Can't exec "/tmp/bsdmainutils.config.3711": Permission denied at /usr/share/perl/5.8/IPC/Open3.pm line 168. and other similar permission denied errors (I am running the debian on a routerboard on a cf card and I need to read man pages). |
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| 12:06.50 | liable | erore: ls -l /tmp |
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| 12:07.19 | liable | bsdmainutils? you got the right OS ?? |
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| 12:08.57 | erore | liable: it is sarge with kernel patch for routerboard applied |
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| 12:09.15 | liable | and whats your perms on /tmp? |
| 12:09.32 | liable | if you unpacked something there as root it can screw things up |
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| 12:09.45 | DevilChaos | sweet thank you muchly |
| 12:09.48 | DevilChaos | :) |
| 12:10.05 | erore | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 60 Jan 1 00:00 dev, drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 60 Jan 1 00:00 lib, drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 40 Jan 1 00:00 lock, drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 60 Jan 1 00:00 log, drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 40 Jan 1 00:00 mnt, drwxrwxrwx 5 root root 240 Jan 1 00:00 run |
| 12:10.13 | DevilChaos | av said it before and al say it again debian rocks!!!!! |
| 12:10.32 | liable | erore: sorry, do / and show /tmp's perms |
| 12:10.49 | erore | drwxrwxrwt 8 root root 160 Jan 1 00:11 tmp |
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| 12:11.08 | liable | hrm thats ok |
| 12:11.56 | liable | erore: whats your fstab line for the partition that has /tmp residing in it? |
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| 12:13.06 | erore | liable: apt-get install man-db results -> http://paste.debian.net/34043 |
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| 12:14.46 | liable | funky |
| 12:15.03 | erore | fstab: /dev/cfa2 / ext2 ro,noatime 0 0, proc /proc proc defaults 0 0, tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,nosuid,noexec,nodev,nouser,async,atime,size=2M 0 0 |
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| 12:16.37 | liable | erore: noexec will do that, but i dont know if thats your problem looking at your paste |
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| 12:18.28 | liable | erore: try removing that and see how you go |
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| 12:22.20 | liable | was reffering to the .99 |
| 12:22.23 | xingu | alrighty; now to transcode the rest of this crap |
| 12:22.29 | liable | fucking hell |
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| 12:26.15 | liable | heh |
| 12:26.15 | juice` | what could be the reason for the default 'date' program output to change ? |
| 12:26.22 | juice` | glibc upgrade? |
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| 12:27.04 | juice` | it was completly different week ago, and now it's 'N, 5 VIII 2007, 14:20:34 CEST' |
| 12:27.11 | liable | how has it changed? |
| 12:27.20 | juice` | i have NO idea how it is possible |
| 12:27.30 | juice` | i got the same locales and everything. it's debian lenny |
| 12:27.51 | liable | it would be libc6 i guess or possibly tzdata |
| 12:27.53 | juice` | but i was upgrading libc6 with bunch of other packages |
| 12:28.29 | juice` | oh, tzdata too, i guess that is it |
| 12:29.11 | juice` | strange they change the format, i got few scripts that depend on it, but luckly i specified format, didnt use default one anyways |
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| 12:44.23 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:44.23 | dpkg | <ribnitz> but windoze does it, and if windows does it it can't be that wrong :) |
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| 12:47.10 | abrotman | markyliebob~ |
| 12:48.01 | liable | ? |
| 12:48.09 | abrotman | he ran away |
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| 12:51.14 | Supaplex | haha |
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| 12:52.35 | DevilChaos | ok have another very small problem sound is on but playing tunes there are very small breaks in the sound like a cd skipping |
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| 12:53.02 | DevilChaos | suggestions? |
| 12:53.03 | liable | blame ingo |
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| 12:54.16 | abrotman | oh look .. no w3m! |
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| 12:54.31 | Supaplex | :) |
| 12:54.43 | jak | hi. anyone knows the whereabouts of the package linux-image-2.6-xen-686? cant find it in testing... thx! |
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| 12:55.22 | Supaplex | DevilChaos: describe the path from your soundcard to the speakers. analog? digital? optical/coax digital? |
| 12:55.34 | abrotman | jak: maybe they aren't needed anymore ? |
| 12:55.45 | Supaplex | jak: anything on apt-cache search xen ? |
| 12:55.46 | DevilChaos | analog i think |
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| 12:56.00 | DevilChaos | headphone jack |
| 12:56.04 | abrotman | jak: there's a #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net |
| 12:56.06 | jak | abrotman: thougth so too, i googled and did not fiond anything, so i was unsure |
| 12:56.13 | DevilChaos | from soundcard to speakers |
| 12:56.18 | jak | abrotman: a ok, im gonna need that i think :D |
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| 12:57.10 | wookienz | hi, been a while since i logged into my Deb. box so i ran apt-get update and upgrade but it is holding all the packages back. would there be a reason for this? |
| 12:57.11 | abrotman | okay then |
| 12:57.25 | abrotman | wookienz: your'e pointing at stable .. but running sarge |
| 12:58.51 | wookienz | abortman, thanks. so ian update of the sources should fix it? |
| 12:58.58 | wookienz | ian = an |
| 12:59.02 | abrotman | !tell wookienz about sarge->etch |
| 12:59.37 | DevilChaos | Supaplex:its analog i think from a headphone jack plug from the back of the soundcard to the speakers |
| 12:59.38 | wookienz | ta. |
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| 13:00.06 | abrotman | wookienz: that was a guess .. check your sources to verify what i said |
| 13:00.17 | wookienz | very true! |
| 13:00.23 | abrotman | !version |
| 13:00.23 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 13:01.05 | Supaplex | DevilChaos: humm. does it show up if you wiggle different parts of the cable? what's the system load average when it's craclking? does the media your playing play better on some other system, or with some other app? |
| 13:01.39 | wookienz | abortman, correct in one. Im guessing stable has moved on to etch is this correct? been out o fthe deb. enviroment for a bit. |
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| 13:01.51 | DevilChaos | thing is its brand new right out the packet bout five minutes ago |
| 13:01.54 | abrotman | wookienz: right |
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| 13:02.44 | CalJohn | there's a program that automates compiling and packaging a source tree, but I've forgotten it's name. Can anyone remind me? |
| 13:02.50 | abrotman | m-a ? |
| 13:02.55 | abrotman | stow? checkinstall? |
| 13:03.36 | liable | CalJohn: a debian source package? like kernel modules? |
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| 13:04.32 | xsdg | CalJohn: debhelper? |
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| 13:05.17 | CalJohn | ahhh! checkinstall. |
| 13:05.43 | DevilChaos | it happens on other apps too just checking load average just now |
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| 13:06.16 | DevilChaos | Cpu(s): 3.0%us, 1.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 96.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| 13:06.56 | DevilChaos | Cpu(s): 3.7%us, 1.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 95.3%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
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| 13:07.01 | DevilChaos | while playing |
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| 13:10.21 | Supaplex | DevilChaos: are you using a sound daemon? |
| 13:10.34 | Supaplex | !artsd |
| 13:10.34 | dpkg | it has been said that artsd is the much maligned soundserver of the much maligned analog Real time synthesizer |
| 13:11.43 | Supaplex | !esd |
| 13:11.43 | dpkg | it has been said that esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
| 13:12.25 | twb | 22:49 [abrotman takes beer from twb ] |
| 13:12.35 | twb | abrotman: can you please pastebin /var/log/aptitude? |
| 13:13.18 | twb | I didn't know esd is network-transparent. |
| 13:13.39 | Supaplex | it's an ear sore... |
| 13:14.02 | twb | I only install gnome so that mplayer and festival will Just Work together |
| 13:14.05 | Supaplex | dpkg: esd is also an EarSoreDaemon |
| 13:14.06 | dpkg | Supaplex: okay |
| 13:14.35 | abrotman | twb: what ... dpkg -l | grep w3 isn't good enough ? |
| 13:14.39 | Supaplex | =:-D |
| 13:14.44 | twb | abrotman: good enough for what? |
| 13:14.59 | abrotman | to show that it's not installed on a base install |
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| 13:15.15 | twb | Nor is the kernel, nor the bootloader |
| 13:15.20 | twb | Yet these are often installed by d-i |
| 13:15.28 | abrotman | uhm .. and they show up in dpkg -l |
| 13:15.50 | DevilChaos | Supaplex not sure!? |
| 13:16.03 | abrotman | hehe .. i don't even have aptitude :) |
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| 13:16.13 | twb | So you obviously did something weird |
| 13:16.19 | Supaplex | DevilChaos: no, not really. maybe show pstree at http://rafb.net/paste |
| 13:16.27 | twb | Like a netinst without a network |
| 13:16.29 | abrotman | twb: no .. i didn't use tasksel .. |
| 13:16.39 | abrotman | i'll do another one |
| 13:16.45 | twb | Do you have less installed? |
| 13:16.49 | Supaplex | portmap |
| 13:16.52 | DevilChaos | i mean im not sure if i am runnin a sound deamon |
| 13:16.52 | abrotman | less isn't installed by default either |
| 13:17.13 | twb | You really used d-i, and not debootstrap? |
| 13:17.22 | Supaplex | DevilChaos: it would show up in pstree if there was. |
| 13:17.26 | abrotman | jesus .. i know how to fucking use d-i |
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| 13:17.45 | Supaplex | expert mode |
| 13:17.48 | abrotman | hehe |
| 13:17.52 | twb | Supaplex: ah, that could be it |
| 13:17.58 | abrotman | no .. i didn't use expert mode |
| 13:18.09 | DevilChaos | pstree? sorry havent hear of that before still have alot to learn bout little things in linux |
| 13:18.11 | abrotman | i held in the enter key until it got to tasksel |
| 13:18.21 | abrotman | (and the user creation obviously) |
| 13:18.27 | Supaplex | yea, it even prompts for standard normally. |
| 13:18.41 | abrotman | which is why an intelligent person wouldn't use tasksel |
| 13:18.42 | Supaplex | which could be unchecked. :) |
| 13:18.59 | twb | Shrug. |
| 13:19.16 | Supaplex | humm the x86 build of openwrt worked ok this time. |
| 13:19.30 | DevilChaos | ok my sone ill paste output to paste site provided |
| 13:19.31 | dan2 | abrotman: morning |
| 13:19.33 | twb | Because etch was frozen |
| 13:19.34 | abrotman | hi |
| 13:19.42 | abrotman | twb: hrm .i meant lenny :) |
| 13:19.42 | Supaplex | abrotman: it was late bloomer |
| 13:19.42 | twb | Or at least freezing |
| 13:19.58 | abrotman | yeah yeah .. i meant lenny damn it .. |
| 13:20.01 | abrotman | dan2 confused me! |
| 13:20.13 | Supaplex | really. humm I think I filed the wishlist 'updated plxkthx' bug to... |
| 13:20.40 | twb | http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?packages=kqemu |
| 13:20.48 | twb | That says it's the same version in lenny and sid atm |
| 13:20.56 | abrotman | yeah .. but i got an updated kqemu-source yesterday |
| 13:21.03 | abrotman | i thought they'd have gone to the gpled module by now |
| 13:21.03 | twb | Oh, unless kqemu is a GUI thing |
| 13:21.11 | abrotman | it's a kernel module |
| 13:21.25 | twb | Yeah I thought I had guessed the source package name wrong |
| 13:21.43 | DevilChaos | http://rafb.net/p/pPVskk31.html |
| 13:21.50 | twb | If kqemu is in your main branch then it's the GPL one |
| 13:22.06 | abrotman | !info kqemu-source lenny |
| 13:22.08 | DevilChaos | Supaplex: thats the paste dude |
| 13:22.10 | dpkg | kqemu-source: (Source for the QEMU Accelerator module), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.3.0~pre11-6 (lenny), Packaged size: 73 kB, Installed size: 120 kB |
| 13:22.40 | abrotman | i guess maybe it is the GPLed one .. but i thought they didn't get gpl until 1.3.0 |
| 13:22.49 | twb | Shrug |
| 13:23.27 | twb | At least I can mod-ass it |
| 13:23.49 | Supaplex | DevilChaos: 7 |-artsd |
| 13:23.58 | DevilChaos | ok |
| 13:24.02 | DevilChaos | so what now? |
| 13:24.09 | abrotman | kill arts |
| 13:24.44 | abrotman | no one does |
| 13:24.50 | DevilChaos | bash: kill: arts: arguments must be process or job IDs |
| 13:24.51 | twb | What does KDE4 user |
| 13:24.53 | twb | *use? |
| 13:25.23 | abrotman | ask #kde |
| 13:25.32 | Supaplex | DevilChaos: killall artsd |
| 13:26.19 | DevilChaos | yup yup done thast |
| 13:26.20 | DevilChaos | that |
| 13:26.29 | DevilChaos | and its still doin it |
| 13:27.27 | DevilChaos | playback freqency ? |
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| 13:27.38 | DevilChaos | im using amorok |
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| 13:30.28 | DevilChaos | xine engine hav anything to do with it? |
| 13:32.38 | DevilChaos | how do i read mail through bitchx keeps sayin i have mail and there are 38 of them? |
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| 13:35.03 | DevilChaos | sound no mail now he he |
| 13:35.12 | _DunK_ | could someone suggest an alternative to the gnome keyring for me? |
| 13:35.36 | DevilChaos | if its not one thing its another |
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| 13:36.02 | DevilChaos | sound or monitor or something is flashin or something isnt workin |
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| 13:36.24 | DevilChaos | really annoyin |
| 13:36.24 | wlwireless | when i try to install the video editing package LIVES, the system indicates that build-essential will be removed. that would mean i cannot build after this. should i go ahead? |
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| 13:36.36 | DevilChaos | nut |
| 13:37.03 | DevilChaos | brb |
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| 13:37.57 | antgel | wlwireless: do you need b-e? |
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| 13:38.47 | wlwireless | antgel, isn't it for building packages, used with module-assistant? |
| 13:39.10 | antgel | wlwireless: doesn't aptitude show build-essential tell you what it is? |
| 13:39.24 | _DunK_ | gnome-keyring seems to be the wrong place for it |
| 13:39.32 | _DunK_ | is there a lower level alternative? |
| 13:39.48 | wlwireless | antgel, using apt-get. will check with synaptic. |
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| 13:40.19 | yangvnc | Is there a similar tool to iceape (mozilla) composer? |
| 13:40.22 | antgel | wlwireless: what i said |
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| 13:42.26 | Spida | anybody here using mbsync? mbsync somehow doesn't write to my local maildirstore... |
| 13:42.47 | wlwireless | antgel, build-essential is an informational list for build-essential packages. it is a loop statement. |
| 13:42.52 | wlwireless | :D |
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| 13:43.41 | antgel | wlwireless: anyway, aptitude show lives tells me lives doesn't conflict with b-e, so i have no idea why it's being removed |
| 13:44.28 | wlwireless | antgel, may be my installation is special. |
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| 13:44.56 | antgel | wlwireless: maybe you should paste the offending terminal output |
| 13:45.15 | DevilChaos | bbl |
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| 13:46.04 | wlwireless | antgel, here are 2 lines of them: |
| 13:46.06 | wlwireless | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 13:46.06 | wlwireless | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.28 | antgel | wlwireless: great, now paste it all unless you want me to guess context |
| 13:46.35 | antgel | !tell wlwireless about paste |
| 13:46.50 | wlwireless | hang on |
| 13:46.56 | _DunK_ | hmm, looking through apt-cache there don't seem to be many alternatives to the gnome keyring manager. is there another way to manage my wifi keys? |
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| 13:47.41 | antgel | !tell _DunK_ about wpasupplicant |
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| 13:48.41 | _DunK_ | thanks |
| 13:48.45 | _DunK_ | that looks good |
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| 13:49.47 | antgel | _DunK_: great. the bot didn't know, but you got the idea :) |
| 13:50.00 | _DunK_ | antgel: yeah, that's mint |
| 13:50.05 | _DunK_ | antgel: thanks |
| 13:50.09 | wlwireless | antgel, pasted to paste.debian.net, name 'lives'. |
| 13:50.14 | icang_jepang | hi.............??? |
| 13:50.32 | antgel | wlwireless: great, got a url? |
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| 13:51.55 | wlwireless | antgel, the no. is 34049. |
| 13:52.21 | wookienz | abortman, thanks for your help - upgrading the box now. |
| 13:52.39 | antgel | wlwireless: great, got a url? |
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| 13:52.43 | wlwireless | antgel, url is: http://paste.debian.net/34049 |
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| 13:53.22 | antgel | wlwireless: you left yout the command you were typing. what release of debian are you using? |
| 13:53.48 | antgel | wlwireless: more generally, the answer is to use aptitude interactively and select your packages that way |
| 13:54.52 | wlwireless | antgel, i was using 'apt-get install lives'. |
| 13:55.20 | wlwireless | antgel, too many packages to select. |
| 13:55.47 | antgel | wlwireless: if you can't be bothered to select the packages you want, my work here is done |
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| 13:56.29 | wlwireless | antgel, after all the trouble, this is all you can advise. junk. |
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| 13:57.23 | antgel | *sigh* okay then, hit it with a magic wand, and maybe it will guess what packages you want |
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| 13:59.41 | antgel | !tun |
| 13:59.41 | dpkg | it has been said that tun is sudo mkdir /dev/net && sudo mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200 |
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| 14:05.52 | Phil4 | hey guys, anyone know which signal is sent on ctrl-c? |
| 14:06.24 | Dewi | what files in my home directory get sourced when ssh is invoked like this: ssh dewi@host cmd |
| 14:06.28 | Dewi | ? |
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| 14:09.08 | nkuttler | Dewi: your .shellrc? |
| 14:09.39 | Dewi | nkuttler: thought I tried that. I'll try again. |
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| 14:10.44 | Dewi | nkuttler: yeah it really doesn't seem to run |
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| 14:11.54 | Dewi | anyone know of a guide to those startup files? |
| 14:11.58 | Dewi | when used with bash? |
| 14:12.06 | Dewi | I can never, ever, get them to work as expected |
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| 14:14.23 | stew | Dewi: http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles |
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| 14:14.39 | zsz | Phil4, SIGINT |
| 14:14.46 | Phil4 | ty |
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| 14:15.01 | zsz | np |
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| 14:15.28 | strike | hi, my microphone is not working under etch.. it was working under sarge.. anything has changed since then? |
| 14:16.28 | antgel | strike: check your mixer |
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| 14:16.56 | Dewi | which dotfiles get run when I specify a command on the ssh command line? like this.... ssh dewi@host cmd |
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| 14:19.49 | strike | antgel: using aumix I checked all volumes what else can I check? |
| 14:20.01 | antgel | this is so funny, i'm installing gentoo in qemu, just for a laugh / interest, and the minimal install .iso dropped me at a root prompt and i have no idea what to do next, and i /am/ reading the manual :D |
| 14:20.26 | antgel | strike: you sure it's unmuted / selected as your recording source? |
| 14:21.07 | antgel | i forgot, after years of using debian, how spoilt i am |
| 14:22.58 | antgel | get this, i'm having to run fdisk and mkfs manually |
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| 14:23.19 | Dewi | not .profile, not .login, not .bash_profile, not .bashrc ... |
| 14:23.34 | Dewi | is there ANYTHING that I can use to set an environment variable when logging in like this: ssh dewi@host cmd |
| 14:23.57 | strike | antgel: I guess so.. because my machine does not have internal mic |
| 14:24.29 | antgel | strike: you guess or you know? you should be able to select the capture source with a mixer. i don't know about aumix - try alsamixer |
| 14:25.04 | krazykit | antgel, but it makes you zomg faster to do it by hand! |
| 14:25.19 | strike | antgel: trying.. |
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| 14:25.36 | antgel | krazykit: this is really eye-opening, i must say. it's like the dark ages. i'm trying freebsd next |
| 14:26.05 | antgel | if anyone has any ideas of interesting free os's to try with qemu, i'm all ears. plan 9 is coming later today :O |
| 14:26.35 | krazykit | antgel, haiku OS. it's BeOS -based |
| 14:26.48 | antgel | so far, this gentoo installer is making me want to give up, but i'm determined to get as far as seeing it start to build stuff |
| 14:26.54 | antgel | krazykit: noted |
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| 14:29.02 | mavhc | at least plan 9 does something new |
| 14:29.19 | antgel | this is funny, you have to know how to use links or some tool to download the "stage 3" install files to your newly-manually-created partition |
| 14:29.26 | antgel | mavhc: i'm curious :) |
| 14:29.39 | biz | is there a way to recover form input in mozilla firefox? i have just made the common mistake to type a longer text into a form and guess what? session timed out. post data lost. firefox instance still running. is there any way...? :/ |
| 14:29.52 | antgel | ooh, i can try hurd, does it have a keyboard driver yet? |
| 14:30.45 | mosno | antgel: sure, just not MS keyboards ;) |
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| 14:31.55 | krazykit | biz, generally, if hitting "back" won't recover it, it's gone |
| 14:32.11 | antgel | this is unreal. i'm in links, i had to go to the mirror site, and there's like 20 files to choose, and i have to choose the right one |
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| 14:32.24 | antgel | when they said minimal install iso, they weren't kidding |
| 14:32.44 | antgel | and do i choose the x86 or i686 one? i have a k7 |
| 14:32.57 | antgel | i don't want it to be slow or anything :P |
| 14:33.13 | antgel | shit, the time i spent deciding is more than the potential speedup! |
| 14:33.18 | spheard | is k7 still supported in the kernel? |
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| 14:34.16 | afaict | hi folks! |
| 14:34.47 | stoned | heh |
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| 14:35.01 | strike | antgel: is there a configuration file that I can edit directly? alsamixer and aumix are both confusing |
| 14:35.12 | antgel | actually this is qemu, i have no idea what cpu it's emulating |
| 14:35.20 | afaict | I'm run crontab -e and add a new command to run every 2 minutes as normal user. it's not running every two minutes. anyone knows why ? |
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| 14:36.01 | afaict | do I really need to add at /etc/cron.daily ? i think it shouldn't be like that... |
| 14:36.11 | peppet | hi all. in my lenny installation, 'aptitude -f install' would remove xserver-xorg & co. any hint? |
| 14:36.21 | antgel | strike: don't know |
| 14:36.34 | strike | ok.. i'll search |
| 14:36.38 | antgel | peppet: yes, read the aptitude docs and use it interactively |
| 14:36.38 | strike | thanks for help |
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| 14:37.34 | antgel | afaict: no, cron.daily is for daily tasks, not tasks every two minutes - did you read /usr/share/doc/cron/README.Debian? |
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| 14:37.57 | afaict | antgel yes |
| 14:38.11 | afaict | antgel i will read itr |
| 14:38.16 | antgel | afaict: anything in the logs? |
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| 14:39.42 | afaict | antgel cron is running as daemon but there is no logs... i already searched for logs too |
| 14:39.58 | antgel | afaict: syslog? |
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| 14:42.54 | afaict | antgel it only run once. (adolfo) CMD (/usr/bin/gotmail -c /home/adolfo/.gotmailrc ) |
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| 14:42.59 | Nazcafan | hi |
| 14:43.09 | Nazcafan | I don't get to change my printer name |
| 14:43.19 | Nazcafan | is there a simple way to do this ? |
| 14:43.24 | antgel | afaict: is it still running? |
| 14:43.29 | afaict | antgel nop |
| 14:43.46 | antgel | qemu is so amazing, wish i could work out how to use it to make a living :) |
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| 14:44.02 | antgel | afaict: have you posted the results of crontab -l? |
| 14:44.13 | afaict | antgel do u want ? |
| 14:44.30 | wookienz | ok.. part way though the upgrade process to etch from sarge and it appears as im doing the big dist-upgrade part that the thing has frozen...ideas? |
| 14:44.33 | afaict | antgel 2 * * * * /usr/bin/gotmail -c /home/adolfo/.gotmailrc |
| 14:44.35 | antgel | !tell afaict about u |
| 14:44.45 | pocukrani | does kernel have some connection with psybnc? |
| 14:44.51 | afaict | antgel sorry |
| 14:45.28 | antgel | afaict: there must be something in the logs. try restarting cron and monitoring the logs |
| 14:45.42 | afaict | antgel did it few minutes ago |
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| 14:49.03 | afaict | by the way... does any one knows any gadget to shows rss feed in my desktop in background ? |
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| 14:50.52 | afaict | sorry.. conky does that... |
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| 14:51.55 | anapivirtua | Ola / Hi / Jour` / Mooh. |
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| 14:54.21 | peppet | antgel: aptitude says: "xserver-xorg was installed automatically; it is being removed because all of the packages which depend upon it are being removed"... |
| 14:54.44 | afaict | antgel danke |
| 14:55.06 | peppet | antgel: ...that is surely false. |
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| 14:59.18 | antgel | peppet: so use it interactively. type aptitude with no arguments and tell it what to do |
| 14:59.53 | antgel | peppet: maybe you didn't always use aptitude and it's confused |
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| 15:00.17 | blackred | Hey people |
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| 15:00.35 | blackred | I just had this quick question. What is better, an AMD xp 2400+ or an 2500+ |
| 15:00.54 | omry|work | got a strange problem with etch: trying to install cvs, but the server never gets registered at /etc/inetd.conf. any idea? |
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| 15:02.56 | antgel | omry|work: shalom! are you sure that debian cvs uses inetd by default? i'm not saying it doesn't but have you read the docs in /usr/share/doc? |
| 15:03.06 | mark25 | hi, anyone know where i can get an oink invite? :) |
| 15:03.34 | omry|work | antgel, last I checked it did. although I may have another varient of inetd installed. (currently inetutils-inetd) |
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| 15:05.17 | omry|work | antgel, good call with /usr/share/doc/cvs. it's no longer installed into inetd by default. |
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| 15:05.27 | Phil4 | hey guys, I'm having a bit of a problem... http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=617 can anyone suggest a fix? |
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| 15:06.07 | saimazoon | Hello |
| 15:06.13 | antgel | omry|work: glad to help |
| 15:06.21 | pipeline | Phil4: unstable or testing? |
| 15:06.38 | Phil4 | testing pipeline |
| 15:06.39 | xeon9 | whenever i run nautils manually.. i.e nautils /home/user/Desktop & |
| 15:06.39 | xeon9 | i get |
| 15:06.40 | xeon9 | (nautilus:4784): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: |
| 15:06.40 | xeon9 | Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. |
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| 15:06.43 | xeon9 | anyone know why ? |
| 15:06.47 | xeon9 | or how i can fix it |
| 15:06.54 | xeon9 | i ran xhost + already |
| 15:06.59 | xeon9 | and i am loggged into gdm as a user, i ran that command as root |
| 15:07.04 | pipeline | Phil4: purge the debianutils package and install your old one from /var/cache/apt/archives (dpkg -i) |
| 15:07.09 | abrotman | wookienz: you're welcome |
| 15:07.13 | Phil4 | ok |
| 15:07.18 | pipeline | Phil4: actually, don't purge it, just install the old one |
| 15:07.19 | antgel | xeon9: don't run it as root or use sux |
| 15:07.21 | pipeline | Phil4: then run "update" |
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| 15:07.30 | Phil4 | kk |
| 15:07.31 | pipeline | Phil4: this looks like a pretty game-ending bug, so there's no way that it's not already fixed :) |
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| 15:07.45 | pipeline | Phil4: you must have just done your last "apt-get update" in the five minutes that it was horrendously broken, eh? |
| 15:08.03 | Phil4 | it's a new Debian Sarge base install |
| 15:08.08 | Phil4 | doing a dist-upgrade to Lenny |
| 15:08.22 | abrotman | you can't go sarge->lenny directory |
| 15:08.24 | abrotman | directly |
| 15:08.27 | abrotman | or shouldn't |
| 15:08.45 | Phil4 | oh? :S |
| 15:08.46 | Phil4 | have done before |
| 15:09.01 | abrotman | not a good idea .. at your own risk .. carry on :) |
| 15:09.08 | Phil4 | should I go via Etch? |
| 15:09.09 | asg | Phil4: because lenny is a moving target, what worked in the past is not guaranteed to work in the future. |
| 15:09.10 | jak | hi. im faced with a little problem: when i try to install etch, libc6-dev wont install, it says "libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13) but 2.6-2 is to be installed". what to do now? downgrade libc6? THX |
| 15:09.18 | xeon9 | antgel: as a user, i typed sux root and then my root pw, then again, nautils /home/user/Desktop & |
| 15:09.20 | xeon9 | and still same error |
| 15:09.28 | xeon9 | i mean it WORKS |
| 15:09.31 | xeon9 | i get what i want |
| 15:09.34 | xeon9 | but i still see that annoying msg |
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| 15:09.45 | Blissex | jak in general libcs are backward compatible, so you can just upgrade it first. |
| 15:09.51 | asg | xeon9: then write a wrapper script to start it or just dump stderr to /dev/null |
| 15:09.57 | pipeline | Phil4: You didn't mention that part. Screw it: dpkg --force-all -i /var/cache/apt/archives/whateverthenewestpackagethatiskillingyouis.deb |
| 15:09.57 | Blissex | jak or just remove 'libc-dev' and readd it later. |
| 15:10.05 | jak | Blissex: i tried to, but libc6 is the newest version... |
| 15:10.16 | antgel | trying these other installers is only giving me more respect for the d-i team. freebsd isn't bad, but still left me stranded a couple of times |
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| 15:10.27 | xeon9 | i just thought there was a setting or something to change, to fix it.. i already knew that if it came down to it, i could create a cheap fix.. its just i dont wanna keep doing cheap fixes if there is a proper way to get it to stop saying that |
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| 15:10.30 | xeon9 | but ok thx |
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| 15:11.59 | peppet | antgel: solved, thanks for your suggestions |
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| 15:12.34 | antgel | peppet: great, a lot of people don't know you can, or can't be bothered to learn how to drive aptitude |
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| 15:13.10 | wookienz1 | abortman... during the dist upgrade the dhcp server must have gone down and i lost ssh connection to the box.. can i relogin and stop the upgrade process with a kill command and restart it or is there a command once logged in to get back that shell that is still running? |
| 15:13.24 | abrotman | wookienz: you sohuld have used screen |
| 15:13.36 | asg | sftw |
| 15:13.42 | abrotman | you can try to kill it .. and hope it wasn't in a place where it will care |
| 15:13.45 | xeon9 | * antgel eyes the solaris download |
| 15:13.47 | xeon9 | open solaris ? |
| 15:13.47 | xeon9 | lol |
| 15:14.05 | xeon9 | and there he goes |
| 15:14.06 | xeon9 | lmao |
| 15:14.08 | xeon9 | no route to host |
| 15:14.20 | xeon9 | i checked out open solaris. seems cool. gonna wait a bit longer |
| 15:14.25 | xeon9 | for it to become more mainstream etc |
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| 15:14.31 | nelf | How do I set iceweasel to be my default gnome web browser instead of Epiphany (I've changed it in Preferences->Preferred Applications). Do I need to restart X to make it take effect? |
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| 15:14.49 | xeon9 | dude screw iceweasel. why not uninstall both. and grab firefox's latest .tar.gz ? |
| 15:14.50 | xeon9 | lol |
| 15:14.55 | xeon9 | and have it be ./usr/local/firefox |
| 15:14.59 | xeon9 | i.e /usr/local/firefox/firefox-bin |
| 15:15.01 | antgel | xeon9: unfortunately, right now i'm not in a position to get paid to goof around with all this shit :) |
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| 15:15.22 | asg | !enter |
| 15:15.23 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 15:15.28 | esapochul | xeon9 -> is there a .deb for firefox? |
| 15:15.39 | streuner | !iceweasel |
| 15:15.40 | dpkg | hmm... iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 15:15.42 | xeon9 | no |
| 15:15.47 | xeon9 | but you can grab the binary off firefox.org |
| 15:16.03 | esapochul | cheers |
| 15:16.17 | nelf | xeon9: Still doesn't solve my problem that epiphany tries to start instead of my chosen app in Preferred Applications... |
| 15:16.39 | xeon9 | http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/products/download.html?product=firefox-2.0.0.6&os=linux&lang=en-US |
| 15:16.56 | esapochul | xeon9 -> thanks, will install locally then |
| 15:17.07 | Phil4 | thanks guys, going via Etch fixed it |
| 15:17.40 | xeon9 | nelf |
| 15:17.46 | xeon9 | preferred applications , select Custom |
| 15:18.01 | xeon9 | nelf: uninstall epiphany, iceweasel, install firefox binary .tar.gz off their site. then you can goto preferred applications , select Custom |
| 15:18.05 | xeon9 | and then put in the command manually |
| 15:18.09 | xeon9 | ./usr/local/firefox/firefox |
| 15:18.21 | xeon9 | ./usr/local/firefox/firefox "%s" |
| 15:18.38 | xeon9 | shrug. i dont see a reason to use iceweasel or any of that shit |
| 15:18.39 | xeon9 | thats just me tho |
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| 15:19.27 | jak | nobody else expieriencing probs when installing libc6-dev? what was my mistake, this is a basic package, right? |
| 15:19.28 | nelf | xeon9: That doesn't work... it ignores whatever I have in Preferred Applications and goes for epiphany anyway. |
| 15:19.29 | esapochul | xeon9 -> same here, specially when trying to download an extension and it detects that's not firefox and send you to the firefox download page |
| 15:19.32 | xeon9 | nelf |
| 15:19.38 | xeon9 | dpkg -l|grep epip |
| 15:19.44 | xeon9 | it must still be there |
| 15:19.49 | xeon9 | make sure to dpkg -P |
| 15:19.53 | xeon9 | in addition to dpkg -r |
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| 15:20.06 | xeon9 | or at the very least, check ls -al /usr/*/epip* |
| 15:20.20 | xeon9 | ls -al /usr/*/*epip* /usr/*/*icew* |
| 15:20.53 | xeon9 | a cheap fix could be renaming the epiphany binaries to .old and then symlinking iceweasel to be epiphany |
| 15:20.54 | xeon9 | lol |
| 15:20.55 | wookienz | ok abortman i have some issues! and so does my computer... not letting me re run dist-upgrade as the ifle is locked.. any suggestions? |
| 15:20.58 | xeon9 | but id just be removing all of that shit |
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| 15:21.06 | abrotman | wookienz: error ? |
| 15:21.27 | antgel | !tell wookienz about tab |
| 15:21.29 | Erik_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.46 | asg | Erik_: your feng shui isn't right |
| 15:21.56 | antgel | Erik_: did you read the grub docs for an explanation? |
| 15:22.24 | xeon9 | Erik_ u gotta be 21 and older to use grub |
| 15:22.26 | abrotman | xeon9: do you know what you're doing ? |
| 15:22.27 | xeon9 | didnt u know that??? |
| 15:22.38 | abrotman | i mean .. any clue at all ? |
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| 15:23.09 | asg | !8ball does xeon9 have a clue at all |
| 15:23.10 | dpkg | I'm not sure. |
| 15:23.17 | wookienz | abortman, seems ot be working again... must be a time limit before it umlocks the file after a terminal session has dropped. |
| 15:23.23 | abrotman | possibly |
| 15:23.42 | wookienz | !tell antgel tab would work if i could spell! |
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| 15:24.04 | nelf | xeon9: The issue isn't anything to do with getting the tar of firefox, uninstalling random packages... the issue is that Preferred Applications is ignoring my choices - is there somewhere else I need to change my settings to get it working. |
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| 15:24.30 | abrotman | nelf: what's going on ? |
| 15:24.36 | xeon9 | abrotman: I told them to REMOVE EPIPHANY and iceweasel to begin with and install firefox. if they dont wanna do that, preferred applications should work just fine. if it doesnt, then whatever. i told them a cheap fix/way to get epiphany to stop loading and for iceweasel to load instead.. JUST LIKE how i was told a cheap fix for my question just 10 minutes ago |
| 15:24.40 | abrotman | you shouldn't have to uninstall anything to set that prefernce |
| 15:24.40 | xeon9 | so i dont see anything wrong |
| 15:24.45 | xeon9 | get butt hurt all you want |
| 15:24.46 | abrotman | xeon9 clearly doesn't know what he's doing |
| 15:25.08 | xeon9 | i didnt say to set a preference you have to uninstall. i said why bother using iceweasel or epiphany, when you can just uninstall both. and install the real firefox and use that |
| 15:25.20 | xeon9 | clearly abrotman is not reading |
| 15:25.27 | abrotman | uhm .. you did say that |
| 15:25.34 | nelf | I am choosing a particular browser in System Preferences->Preferred Applications, and Gnome seems to be ignoring my choices and starting epiphany. |
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| 15:26.18 | xeon9 | cry me a river jesus. bottom line. i suggested a simple solution. remove both and use the real firefox. dont like it too bad |
| 15:26.25 | streuner | dpkg, set time =~ s/tzconfig/tzconfig (sarge, etch)/ |
| 15:26.25 | dpkg | streuner: OK |
| 15:26.26 | xeon9 | dont have to use my suggestion |
| 15:26.49 | abrotman | he asked about iceweasel .. not firefox |
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| 15:26.59 | nelf | xeon9: Don't worry, l completely ignored it |
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| 15:27.35 | abrotman | nelf: ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser |
| 15:27.44 | xeon9 | yeah cus iceweasel isnt firefox abrotman :) |
| 15:28.00 | abrotman | like i said before .. no clue what you're talking about |
| 15:28.09 | xeon9 | oook |
| 15:28.11 | xeon9 | stay on your high horse |
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| 15:29.13 | streuner | heh |
| 15:29.17 | rem | Hey, I have the panel blocked at 182 pixels instead of 24 in gnome, and it wont let me change it in graph mode. Anyone knows how to change it and/or where to access the settings in command line ? |
| 15:29.19 | wookienz | abrotman, i got it re running but it looks like another process has a file locked. Im getting this error "debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process" |
| 15:29.37 | abrotman | wookienz: probably a lock file in that directory .. go look for it |
| 15:29.43 | nelf | abrotman: -> /usr/bin/epiphany |
| 15:29.51 | abrotman | nelf: and you'd like iceweasel ? |
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| 15:30.14 | rem | tried gconf-editor (apps,panel) it said 24 in there .. ?!. |
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| 15:30.15 | wookienz | abrotman, and what would one look like? :) |
| 15:30.24 | nelf | abrotman: yes please (I'm old fashioned and like my apps managed by a package manager) |
| 15:30.25 | abrotman | wookienz: probably won't be many other files in there |
| 15:30.39 | abrotman | nelf: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
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| 15:30.48 | wookienz | config.dat and config.dat-old |
| 15:30.55 | abrotman | wookienz: ls -a |
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| 15:31.08 | nelf | abrotman: OK, thanks - shall I check for/file a bug on that? |
| 15:31.22 | RockerMONO | hm.... is their a MID player for debian? |
| 15:31.22 | abrotman | nelf: make sure it works first :) |
| 15:31.27 | abrotman | !midi |
| 15:31.27 | dpkg | midi is probably Musical Instrument Digital Interface, or timidity to play. smurf to edit, or http://www.midi-howto.com |
| 15:31.31 | wookienz | abrotman, a few other but the only two with config.dat in their names |
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| 15:31.55 | abrotman | wookienz: you could also use lsof to see what's using it |
| 15:32.14 | maximiliano | hi |
| 15:32.18 | macogw | hey i have an old ati card (rage ii) and i set it (using dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg) to use the open source ati driver (which i think is what it used in ubuntu, though never did get my full 1024x768), and when i try to startx on Etch, it says "(EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable" Would deleting the DRI line from the module section make it go? |
| 15:32.57 | wookienz | abrotman, got it... something called front end. |
| 15:33.23 | abrotman | okay |
| 15:33.47 | abrotman | that shouldn't stop X from starting AFAIK |
| 15:34.08 | nelf | lol, abrotman: it changes the symlink, but gnome is still going for epiphany :) |
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| 15:35.11 | abrotman | and you've already set the Preferred Applications ? |
| 15:35.20 | abrotman | whihc application is ignoring your prefernce ? |
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| 15:35.37 | Ben_Cs | hello |
| 15:35.48 | nelf | abrotman: I've just created an HTML file and chucked it on my Desktop to test with. |
| 15:35.53 | maximiliano | ive installed a second ethernet card in my pc, but y cannot make it work, its the Hangzhou Silan card => http://rafb.net/p/QtS8bl26.html |
| 15:36.09 | abrotman | nelf: so yhou're double clicking on it ? |
| 15:36.14 | nelf | Yep |
| 15:36.31 | Ben_Cs | currently u'm using Ubuntu. I'm thinking migrating to Debian. so the question is: Does Etch have graphical installation like Ubuntu does? |
| 15:36.41 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:36.48 | macogw | abrotman: it starts but it starts as an xterm with a checkered background, which i dont know why...it should start Enlightenment (well, Entrance) |
| 15:37.00 | Ben_Cs | yes - by default? |
| 15:37.27 | abrotman | nelf: right click on the file .. go to properties .. hit the open with tab .. and choose the browser you want |
| 15:37.29 | Erik__ | If i wanted to change from cabled internet connection to wireless (802.11g card from Belkin) , would I put in the card and boot and would Etch then find the relevant software and install things for me ? or would I first search for relevant software, install and put in the card ? |
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| 15:37.46 | streuner | Ben_Cs: why do you want install Debian, btw? |
| 15:38.00 | nelf | abrotman - that works, yes... |
| 15:38.07 | abrotman | nelf: but only for that file ? |
| 15:38.12 | nelf | Yep :( |
| 15:38.19 | edistar | is there a way to logon via usbstick, ie that you don't need user and password anymore but just a usb stick? |
| 15:38.19 | Ben_Cs | streuner: i heard it's more stable then Ubuntu |
| 15:38.20 | abrotman | nelf: tried loggingout/in ? |
| 15:38.35 | macogw | Erik__: you can put in the card first, but it wont be automagic. you have to install its stuff yourself |
| 15:38.52 | macogw | Erik__: you need to look up what chipset the card is too |
| 15:38.52 | nelf | abrotman: Not since I changed that symlink with update-alternatives. |
| 15:38.54 | streuner | dont listen what random people tell you, or do you listen to propaganda too? |
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| 15:39.02 | abrotman | macogw: sounds like your .xsession isn't right |
| 15:39.08 | abrotman | nelf: maybe try logging in/out |
| 15:39.12 | _DunK_ | I use the autocomplete features of bash a lot, but I would like to have it autocomplete from both known_hosts and /etc/hosts files. where would I start going about this? |
| 15:39.20 | edistar | Ben_Cs: it is more stable than ubuntu |
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| 15:39.44 | edistar | Ben_Cs: there is a graphical installer |
| 15:39.45 | Erik__ | macogw: ok... |
| 15:39.54 | macogw | Ben_Cs: its more stable than edgy or feisty, but still newer than dapper (which is probably equally stable) |
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| 15:40.09 | macogw | Erik__: go to http://linux-wless.passys.nl and look the card up |
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| 15:40.16 | Ben_Cs | so what's the main difference between ubuntu and debian (except stability)? |
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| 15:40.19 | macogw | Erik__: itll tell you which driver the card uses |
| 15:40.26 | macogw | Ben_Cs: the way releases work is one |
| 15:40.40 | macogw | Ben_Cs: debian releases when bugs are squashed, ubuntu goes by time |
| 15:40.45 | streuner | !start a distro war |
| 15:40.45 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 15:40.47 | Erik__ | macogw: ok thnx mac |
| 15:40.51 | antgel | Ben_Cs: there are a million articles on the internet that explain this stuff, i'm not flaming you but you'd do well to do some reading |
| 15:40.52 | streuner | here we go! :-) |
| 15:41.00 | macogw | Ben_Cs: another is that ubuntu has binary blobs for some things like the firmware for my intel wireless, while debian is more pure |
| 15:41.37 | macogw | Ben_Cs: so if you're a purity nut, youd be into debian, and if you go with "i dont care just work" then ubuntu's more your thing for that |
| 15:41.42 | pipeline | macogw: debian packages intel firmware. |
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| 15:41.51 | edistar | Ben_Cs: it usually has older packages if you want to run etch, and not lenny (unstable, similar to ubuntu, a little more stable maybe?) |
| 15:41.51 | antgel | macogw: i disagree |
| 15:41.54 | macogw | pipeline: i know. i used those packages. theyre just not installed by default |
| 15:41.59 | Ben_Cs | ok but does ubuntu have xserver-xorg-video-intel? |
| 15:42.06 | macogw | Ben_Cs: yes |
| 15:42.06 | Ben_Cs | pack? |
| 15:42.15 | edistar | Ben_Cs: should do! |
| 15:42.16 | antgel | macogw: "i don't care, just work" is debian all over, to me |
| 15:42.27 | macogw | Ben_Cs: by default, intel uses xserver-xorg-video-i810, but -intel is available |
| 15:42.28 | _DunK_ | could someone point me in the right direction for customizing bash autocomplete |
| 15:42.31 | edistar | antgel: if you compare it with gentoo ;) |
| 15:42.38 | pipeline | macogw: Debian installs nothing unnecessary by default :P |
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| 15:42.51 | streuner | !gentoosmite foo |
| 15:42.53 | Ben_Cs | macogw: i'm not a purity idealist :) |
| 15:42.56 | macogw | pipeline: which is why my comp with a 5gb hard drive gets Etch! |
| 15:43.03 | nelf | abrotman: No joy :( |
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| 15:43.15 | lithophyte | anyone know which package contains C function man pages? like man memset man pow |
| 15:43.28 | abrotman | nelf: so other files on your desktop still open in epiphany ? |
| 15:43.31 | streuner | ah, finally a fucking flamewar, that's WE need on a boring sunday ;-) |
| 15:43.34 | antgel | edistar: it's still untarring portage, next i'm going to configure my compile options (the most exciting bit) |
| 15:43.40 | nelf | abrotman: Yes... |
| 15:44.03 | macogw | _DunK_: i think its /etc/bash_completion |
| 15:44.18 | asg | _DunK_: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/316 |
| 15:44.22 | antgel | Ben_Cs: purity is not the whole story. i'm not a purity idealist (although i'm grateful that those behind debian are), but i still prefer debian to ubuntu for various reasons |
| 15:44.29 | Ben_Cs | i did some reading about the diferences but didn't see a significant one. except as said: purity on debian |
| 15:44.44 | abrotman | lithophyte: manpages-dev |
| 15:44.51 | Ben_Cs | antgel: would you smarten me? |
| 15:44.53 | _DunK_ | thanks, I will take a look there |
| 15:44.54 | macogw | Ben_Cs: ubuntu sometimes has a mind of it's own....howabout that? |
| 15:44.57 | streuner | Ben_Cs: /msg dpkg dfsg |
| 15:44.59 | abrotman | nelf: and that setting is still inyour Prferrered apps ? |
| 15:45.09 | nelf | Yep |
| 15:45.21 | lithophyte | abrotman: thx |
| 15:45.22 | edistar | antgel: good luck, last time I installed gentoo while it was compiling glibs my harddisk made strange noises and stopped working |
| 15:45.26 | antgel | Ben_Cs: sure, you call those /trousers/? |
| 15:45.40 | Ben_Cs | LOL |
| 15:45.42 | nelf | I think I'll file a bug, abrotman, as it's definitely not behaving. |
| 15:45.44 | zophy | anyone here using geshi ? |
| 15:45.49 | asg | Ben_Cs: Debian doesn't breastfeed you ... Ubuntu wants to be your wet nurse. |
| 15:45.53 | antgel | !sunday |
| 15:45.53 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 15:46.01 | macogw | Ben_Cs: ubuntu kinda automatically does some things that some people might not like. in my case, it starts a lot of services and installs a lot extra, that my old pentium 2 really isnt up for handling. |
| 15:46.02 | streuner | asg: haha |
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| 15:46.11 | abrotman | nelf: uhm ok |
| 15:46.22 | antgel | Ben_Cs: know this. /very/ few people move "on" from debian, once they learn to appreciate it |
| 15:46.24 | macogw | Ben_Cs: debian has the basic then lets you customize from there |
| 15:46.37 | lithophyte | I love debian |
| 15:46.42 | lithophyte | ohhh love love |
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| 15:46.50 | chaKKo_1521 | http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?uid=1521 |
| 15:46.51 | edistar | ACK |
| 15:46.59 | abrotman | nelf: chaKKo_1521 die |
| 15:47.02 | abrotman | nelf: sorry |
| 15:47.06 | macogw | antgel: well on my laptop i have an ubuntu/debian dual boot and debian goes into full-system-lock mode like ubuntu 6.06 did, so i dont boot into debian anymore |
| 15:47.08 | streuner | chaKKo_1521: verschwinde! |
| 15:47.09 | Ben_Cs | well my comp is strong enough to handle extra soft. |
| 15:47.11 | _DunK_ | too right |
| 15:47.12 | abrotman | !ops chaKKo_1521 keeps spamming us |
| 15:47.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: chaKKo_1521 keeps spamming us |
| 15:47.20 | _DunK_ | debian is the king of operating systems |
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| 15:47.34 | Ben_Cs | common people convince me to migrate to debian :) |
| 15:47.40 | abrotman | peterS: he's been doing that all day |
| 15:47.40 | lithophyte | macogw: I agree ubuntu does too many things automatically. It's much easier than debian tho |
| 15:47.40 | viller | fanboyism |
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| 15:47.48 | abrotman | nelf: i'm still not sure it's a bug |
| 15:47.49 | peterS | abrotman: thanks for the heads-up then |
| 15:47.58 | viller | debian is just another OS |
| 15:48.00 | antgel | Ben_Cs: also, ubuntu has a sickly-friendly user community, which some people like as they don't get flamed for being lazy / thick. i personally don't like such a politically-correct community as i conside its guidelines to be fake, and stopping people from being able to be themelves |
| 15:48.04 | viller | it has suck-points too |
| 15:48.08 | lithophyte | Ben_Cs: it is great I've used many distros and OS I like debian the best |
| 15:48.11 | nelf | abrotman: OK, I'll hold off on that. |
| 15:48.11 | antgel | i mean, nobody /really/ grins 24-7 surely :D |
| 15:48.24 | _DunK_ | Ubuntu's great until you want to do something slightly out of the box |
| 15:48.28 | lithophyte | Ben_Cs: it's harder to use than ubuntu but once you get everything going it rocks |
| 15:48.29 | _DunK_ | then it's an uphiss struggle |
| 15:48.36 | asg | viller: indeed, just fewer in the contexts that I use it for |
| 15:48.38 | abrotman | nelf: you might want to try asking #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org .. those two places are all i've ever needed to change to get that stuff working IIRC |
| 15:48.42 | _DunK_ | *uphill |
| 15:48.42 | Ben_Cs | For one Debian has the biggest community right? |
| 15:48.49 | macogw | lithophyte: thats why they say "ubuntu is an african word for cant install debian" it's great for newbies. whereas debian users have a rep for being freakishly knowledgeable |
| 15:48.57 | nelf | abrotman: OK. |
| 15:49.05 | peterS | Ben_Cs: depends on what you mean. gentoo has a bigger IRC presence, for example |
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| 15:49.45 | xingu | far too many clueless dingbats totally botching their analog capture and transcoding out there |
| 15:49.48 | Ben_Cs | no. don't like gentoo. i like debian distros |
| 15:50.15 | streuner | Ben_Cs: why you don't like gentoo, btw? |
| 15:50.15 | macogw | Ben_Cs: i tried fedora and sabayon, and i'm with you there. yum and portage are slooow compared to apt |
| 15:50.35 | macogw | not that apt's been getting much use on this debian install... |
| 15:50.53 | edistar | portage is slow, lol^^ it's supposed to be ;) |
| 15:51.03 | Ben_Cs | so should i download the network install cd or the 8GB CD's? |
| 15:51.04 | macogw | spent a week mucking through getting enlightenment compiled with a script, gave up and spent yesterday and today doing it and its finally compiled |
| 15:51.10 | lithophyte | only thing I don't like about linux is iptables.. PF in bsd is much better |
| 15:51.14 | macogw | Ben_Cs: net install should be fine |
| 15:51.14 | edistar | Ben_Cs: network |
| 15:51.28 | macogw | Ben_Cs: otherwise, the first regular disk has everything you need to get a working GUI |
| 15:51.47 | macogw | Ben_Cs: then you can apt-get from there. first disk has gnome. kde is on disk 2 |
| 15:51.52 | abrotman | lithophyte: i've read both sides of the argument .. and they both have valid points |
| 15:52.01 | peterS | Ben_Cs: when he says first regular disk, he means the CD image, not the DVD image. downloading the whole first DVD image is almost certainly overkill |
| 15:52.05 | antgel | it's notable that out of all the flaming in the debian community, comes an amazing product, without which there would be no ubuntu. ubuntu communtity can afford to be more lovey-dovey as they don't have to get into the core of the thing, and can concentrate on higher-level issues |
| 15:52.11 | macogw | edistar: well i dont like slow |
| 15:52.34 | edistar | macogw: I don't either, thats why I have debian now;) |
| 15:52.38 | viller | I like that Ubuntu developers aren't too free-software fundamentalists but I like that Debian doesn't have that much crap come with it |
| 15:52.56 | peterS | antgel: well ... ubuntu make some pretty deep changes too. like replacing the init system, and moving to python 2.4 and python 2.5 before debian does |
| 15:53.05 | antgel | peterS: troo |
| 15:53.09 | Ben_Cs | does the net cd have graphical install or only the 1st CD of th whole install? |
| 15:53.28 | edistar | Ben_Cs: net install should have the graphical.. |
| 15:53.35 | Ben_Cs | cool |
| 15:53.37 | Ben_Cs | thanks |
| 15:53.37 | macogw | edistar: if i knew anything about compile flags and could stand waiting 5 minutes *per package* i guess the old computer would benefit from gentoo for speed...except i dont want to take 5 minutes to compile each package (300mhz, it takes a while) |
| 15:53.40 | antgel | peterS: but i think my opinion (and that's all it is) generally holds - they know they can rely on debian's nuts and bolts |
| 15:53.44 | edistar | Ben_Cs: but you need to write installgui at the boot prompt |
| 15:53.53 | Ben_Cs | will do |
| 15:53.55 | peterS | Ben_Cs: the netinst includes the traditional installer and the gui installer. both installers behave pretty much identically, so I don't see much point in "g-i" as it is called, unless you speak a language which is not possible to render on a text screen, such as some Indian languages. those are only available with the gui installer. |
| 15:54.09 | edistar | macogw: it's not worth it, you gain 3% or so |
| 15:54.10 | antgel | Ben_Cs: read the install guide. seriously |
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| 15:54.18 | streuner | Ben_Cs: did you read DFSG too? |
| 15:54.24 | jelly-home | Is there a repo with compiz fusion available somewhere? |
| 15:54.27 | Ben_Cs | nope |
| 15:54.33 | macogw | antgel: if he's done ubuntu, he can handle the debian installer, especially if hes used the altnernate disk |
| 15:54.38 | streuner | hm, thats what i thought |
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| 15:54.40 | macogw | Ben_Cs: ever use ubuntu alternate cd? |
| 15:54.46 | Ben_Cs | antgel: it covers only the non gui install |
| 15:54.47 | macogw | Ben_Cs: its the same installer |
| 15:54.49 | edistar | I like the alternate much more, much faster |
| 15:55.08 | macogw | edistar: i dont like that it asks, does stuff, asks, does stuff, asks, does stuff.... |
| 15:55.18 | edistar | macogw: yes |
| 15:55.29 | macogw | edistar: i havent used debian's gui one, but on ubuntu's it asks, then it does stuff and you walk away for a half hour |
| 15:55.30 | Ben_Cs | macogw: i once tried to install sarge but when got to aptitude, could get the hang of it |
| 15:55.44 | edistar | macogw: I have never seen the debian g-i ;) |
| 15:55.47 | edistar | just heard about it |
| 15:55.51 | macogw | edistar: ditto |
| 15:55.53 | edistar | ubuntu gui is very annoying |
| 15:56.01 | edistar | macogw: there is no need for it |
| 15:56.05 | macogw | edistar: ubuntu gui needs to bring gparted back |
| 15:56.14 | macogw | edistar: to be easy on newbs, duh |
| 15:56.24 | macogw | edistar: ncurses looks "scary" even if it's not harder |
| 15:56.27 | edistar | macogw: is it easier?! |
| 15:56.38 | Ben_Cs | *couldn't get the hang of aptitude |
| 15:56.41 | macogw | edistar: it is *perceived* as easier by the user, and thats what matters there |
| 15:56.56 | macogw | Ben_Cs: what? for the most part you just type "aptitude" where youd normally do "apt-get" |
| 15:57.21 | edistar | macogw: could be |
| 15:57.35 | antgel | i think Ben_Cs means aptitude's interactive interface |
| 15:57.43 | Ben_Cs | macogw: yeh but it's confusing when it goes to sub menus without the option to go one up etc. |
| 15:57.57 | Ben_Cs | yes: interactive interface |
| 15:58.07 | macogw | edistar: if the new user sees ncurses, it's "scary" and probably a bit prehistoric seeming. the way people have the perception that linux is all command line and no gui |
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| 15:58.08 | antgel | Ben_Cs: you need to read the aptitude manual :P q is the key to go back |
| 15:58.41 | edistar | macogw: it is a lot of shell luckily |
| 15:58.57 | Ben_Cs | well i'll give it a try. or maybe i should install the 1CD with gnome and continue with synaptic from there? |
| 15:59.08 | macogw | Ben_Cs: net inst will let you install gnome |
| 15:59.10 | antgel | Ben_Cs: also ? in aptitude offers help |
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| 15:59.38 | abrotman | Ben_Cs: if you were to use netinst .. the command to install gnome is pretty easy `aptitude install gnome gdm xorg` |
| 15:59.44 | lithophyte | I LOVE DEBIAN W000T OK BYE |
| 15:59.52 | macogw | abrotman: the net inst has an option for it |
| 16:00.03 | abrotman | macogw: i don't use tasksel .. and don't recommend it |
| 16:00.09 | macogw | oh ok |
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| 16:00.11 | antgel | AOL |
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| 16:00.33 | edistar | Ben_Cs: you can choose to install a gui, ie gnome |
| 16:00.37 | antgel | i usually tell people to ignore tasksel, then login as root and install shit with aptitude |
| 16:00.38 | streuner | AOhelL? |
| 16:00.53 | antgel | streuner: as in <me too>, re what abrotman said :) |
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| 16:01.31 | Ben_Cs | ok. lucky i have another comp to ask you ppl questions through install :) |
| 16:01.37 | macogw | edistar: sometimes seeing us use the command line reinforces that "you have to use the command line" because i'm guessing a LOT of new users are of the impression that "nobody would use that archaic way of doing things with a command line unless it was absolutely necessary" since they think its inferior to guis |
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| 16:01.58 | joepa | anyone know of a straightforward way to get a directory listing when you're in the middle of typing a command? like, by somehow mapping ls onto a control key combination? |
| 16:02.05 | antgel | macogw: so users need education as much as software needs to be "user-friendly" |
| 16:02.14 | abrotman | joepa: hit tab a few times ? |
| 16:02.20 | antgel | otherwise everything will get dumbed down |
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| 16:02.39 | macogw | antgel: well yeah, but im just saying the reason gui installers are nice is that it avoids having the first impression of the os be "it's scary" |
| 16:02.52 | abrotman | joepa: you mean like "cat a<tab><tab>" to show all file sstarting with "a" ? |
| 16:02.54 | joepa | abrotman: oh yeah, that'll do it! |
| 16:03.07 | edistar | macogw: very true, or they just don't feel capable to type and hope for the best :P |
| 16:03.12 | macogw | edistar: besides, now you dont need to have the live cd for testing hardware *plus* an install disk. theyre together |
| 16:03.52 | edistar | macogw: true again ;) |
| 16:03.54 | macogw | edistar: ubuntu used to have them separate and youd get people having trouble and told to check hardware with the live cd, but they cant burn the live cd as theyre installing on the computer from which they burned the install cd |
| 16:04.17 | edistar | macogw: hehe |
| 16:04.26 | macogw | abrotman: that works on things that arent commands? |
| 16:04.32 | macogw | abrotman: cool! |
| 16:04.34 | abrotman | macogw: try it and see |
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| 16:05.17 | macogw | alright well ive made no progress |
| 16:05.25 | macogw | oh and i should leave for the lug picnic |
| 16:05.30 | macogw | later guys |
| 16:05.34 | edistar | does anyone have experience with pamusb? |
| 16:05.36 | abrotman | picnic? |
| 16:05.42 | antgel | guys? |
| 16:05.51 | antgel | oh, yeah |
| 16:05.56 | abrotman | antgel: he wasn't talking to you |
| 16:06.26 | antgel | !abrotman |
| 16:06.27 | dpkg | methinks abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?", or known for his often misinterpreted sense of humour |
| 16:06.39 | abrotman | hi |
| 16:06.45 | \dev\shm|a | lol |
| 16:07.31 | abrotman | !fix pseubodot |
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| 16:11.10 | viller | twb: you're the one who talked to me about GRUB earlier? I managed to install GRUB through its shell but only to my second harddrive (linux and stuff) but I couldn't install it on my windows harddrive. So I went to BIOS setup and changed the boot order so it booted my second harddrive (the one with Linux) first and everything's fine now. |
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| 16:12.56 | jelly-home | Unknown host abrotman.needs.help :-( |
| 16:13.04 | abrotman | jelly-home: i didn't put that there |
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| 16:13.32 | jelly-home | !factinfo abrotman |
| 16:13.32 | dpkg | abrotman -- last modified 6d 4h 33m 10s ago by DawnLight!n=keren@DSL217-132-198-30.bb.netvision.net.il; it has been requested 5 times, last by antgel, 7m 6s ago. |
| 16:13.40 | abrotman | i'm surprised tarzeau hasn't made an abrotman.istheshit.net |
| 16:13.52 | jelly-home | antgel: meh! |
| 16:14.00 | antgel | s/the// |
| 16:14.26 | abrotman | someone broke that . it's been requested way more than five times |
| 16:14.35 | abrotman | someone doesn't know how to use the bot :) |
| 16:14.54 | antgel | "obsessed with useless factoids" |
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| 16:15.13 | abrotman | perhaps |
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| 16:16.51 | jelly-home | abrotman: you aren't british, right? Should be "humor", then |
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| 16:17.02 | abrotman | i didn't make any of that factoid |
| 16:17.16 | abrotman | i assume the person that added that was DawnLight |
| 16:17.29 | antgel | jelly-home: there's one way to spell it, yeah? |
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| 16:18.14 | jelly-home | a bland copy of rugby. |
| 16:18.14 | abrotman | antgel: american football ? |
| 16:18.41 | SerajewelKS | question about networking: is there a way to bring up two interfaces that use the same card, but present two ethernet NICs to the OS, so that they can have different hardware addresses? |
| 16:18.47 | SerajewelKS | sort of like bridging but not really |
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| 16:19.08 | antgel | abrotman: nah, i would have qualified it as such :D |
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| 16:19.31 | SerajewelKS | or would i have to write my own module for that (it could be an excuse to start kernel hacking) |
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| 16:19.43 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you an do aliasing .. dunno about different hardware addresses |
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| 16:20.02 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: virtual interfaces (eth0:0 etc) don't let you set a different hardware address |
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| 16:20.10 | abrotman | that's what i said! |
| 16:20.24 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: you said "dunno", i took that to mean you didn't know if it could be done |
| 16:20.34 | SerajewelKS | but you probably meant "i don't know how you would do that" |
| 16:21.00 | abrotman | more of .. "i've never tried it .. but it doesn't seem likely" :) |
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| 16:21.20 | SerajewelKS | right so in other words i'm hacking on the kernel |
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| 16:21.40 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: did you try asking ##kernel ? |
| 16:21.50 | jelly-home | or linux-net list |
| 16:21.54 | SerajewelKS | if i can bridge such that the bridge is unconfigured and i get two ethernet nics connected to it that would work |
| 16:21.57 | abrotman | or #kernelnewbies |
| 16:22.00 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: nope |
| 16:22.09 | logd | hi, i'v e noticed a strange behaviour : if one in my lan sends me a file via msn it is sent @ about 60mbps if i send 'em a file it is sent at 2kbps , why ? |
| 16:22.18 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i might google for a bit and see what i can come up with, though i'm not sure what keywords would uniquely identify this problem |
| 16:22.34 | SerajewelKS | logd: that depends which msn client you are using |
| 16:22.44 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: "trying to do things god didn't intend" :) |
| 16:22.52 | logd | <SerajewelKS>nope i guess something's wrong with iptables |
| 16:22.53 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: they can |
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| 16:23.23 | FuzzyB | how do i get a list of installed packages? |
| 16:23.26 | logd | adding this /sbin/iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -d $IP -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.1 in iptables script ppl send me files at high speed |
| 16:23.28 | SerajewelKS | logd: it might depend... pidgin might not try to find the peer on your lan and proxy it through msn servers, and the windows client might be smarter |
| 16:23.36 | logd | but how do i do the same to send em files at high speed |
| 16:23.37 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: basically yes |
| 16:23.45 | FuzzyB | !dpkg package list |
| 16:23.57 | abrotman | !installed |
| 16:23.58 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
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| 16:24.05 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: i have bridged an eth and several tap devices for networking virtualbox VMs to my host network directly |
| 16:24.53 | SerajewelKS | the problem with bridging is that i still only have one configurable interface (the bridge) |
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| 16:25.25 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: why would you want to do that anyway? |
| 16:25.46 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: because i like playing with networking ideas |
| 16:25.59 | Daemon-- | where do i put iptables in etch ? |
| 16:26.01 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: don't sweat, this isn't a production system |
| 16:26.11 | jelly-home | k |
| 16:26.15 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: god willing it won't ever be |
| 16:28.20 | abrotman | Daemon--: read /usr/share/doc/iptables/* |
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| 16:28.38 | Daemon-- | ta |
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| 16:30.55 | warlocky--- | Does anyone know anything about the ouput from "ps aux" and if everything is needed in the process list? |
| 16:31.05 | Daemon-- | abrotman - honestly i dont understand it anyway, cant you just tell me where its supposed to go then i can be one step closer to getting my server secure and i can run off to another linuxhelp channel so someone else can help me install the damn thing and get it ruuning, then by 3 weeks next sat i might be able to get some sleep? |
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| 16:32.11 | xingu | great |
| 16:32.42 | abrotman | people with webservers that won't read? |
| 16:33.25 | kspath | new generation? do not read do not learn get others to do things for you |
| 16:33.52 | edistar | kspath: who says the whole generation is like that? -.- |
| 16:33.53 | Daemon-- | people with webservers that have no hair left to pull out, dont understand what their reading anyway, have learning difficulties and thats why they use directadmin so they can possibly run a webserver |
| 16:33.57 | kspath | Thursley, thank you |
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| 16:34.16 | Daemon-- | if your car breaks down do go to a car mechnic and he tells you to go read about it? |
| 16:34.27 | Daemon-- | granted you pay him but thats not my point |
| 16:34.37 | Thursley | well it should be :P |
| 16:34.39 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 16:34.49 | jelly-home | Daemon--: now, there's a BIG point in there :-) |
| 16:35.29 | edistar | Daemon--: the point was, it tells you everything if you read.. now if you have a specific question then ask |
| 16:35.53 | Daemon-- | where do i put iptables in etch ? |
| 16:35.58 | edistar | Daemon--: you won't remember how to do it if you let somebody else do it |
| 16:36.06 | Daemon-- | i will |
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| 16:36.14 | Daemon-- | if they tell me how |
| 16:36.16 | xingu | I mean holy crap, it's not hard, you just store the mpeg stream, done; but nooooo, that's too straightforward, obviously it's a far more clever idea to render it and then recompress it |
| 16:36.20 | Daemon-- | i struggle reading |
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| 16:37.06 | xingu | out of a few hundred gig worth of assorted clips I've never had the time to bother with maybe one gig or so is unmolested |
| 16:37.25 | ccvp | hello fellow internet addicts - are we all looking forward to another long & glorious sunday of irc? :) |
| 16:37.46 | jelly-home | Daemon--: currently, Debian has no default infrastructure to put plain iptables rules in |
| 16:38.01 | edistar | Daemon--: depends on how you load your iptables |
| 16:38.03 | jelly-home | Daemon--: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz , chapter [ 3. running iptables ] |
| 16:38.09 | acu | to have a mail server what is needed for installation: I would like to know a list - all the tutorials out there are so confusing |
| 16:38.25 | Daemon-- | i give up |
| 16:38.29 | petemc | acu: debian comes with a mta, exim4 |
| 16:38.34 | Daemon-- | someone lend me a bloody gun to put to my head |
| 16:38.37 | ccvp | do any nix distros have the vista-like feature of "readybost" usb jump drive acts as more ram, plug and play, no configuring? |
| 16:39.02 | edistar | Daemon--: take your time.. |
| 16:39.03 | acu | petemc: how do I configure it ? |
| 16:39.05 | Daemon-- | ever wonder why you get kids going to school and shooting everyone..... cos ythey get told to read everything they dont understand |
| 16:39.12 | petemc | acu: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 16:39.25 | SerajewelKS | ccvp: not no config but it's trivial to set one up as a swap partition |
| 16:39.36 | edistar | Daemon--: iptables are quite complex.. you can't quickly tell someone about them |
| 16:39.41 | Daemon-- | to understand something ive got to read 14 other bloody books and if im not brainwashed by then my wife will have left me and i'll be fused to the chair |
| 16:39.56 | abrotman | this is bad how? |
| 16:39.57 | Daemon-- | edistar - ive got the script, how hard can it be to install it? |
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| 16:40.31 | edistar | depends how you load it |
| 16:40.31 | edistar | via /etc/interfaces? |
| 16:40.31 | abrotman | Daemon--: reading that short README.Debian.gz is not a big deal |
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| 16:40.36 | Daemon-- | abrotman - i really dont know what its telling me though |
| 16:40.40 | SerajewelKS | Daemon--: if you read the iptables readme and don't understand it then you have no business setting up a firewall |
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| 16:41.38 | Daemon-- | SerajewelKS - so everyone who doesnt understand something shouldnt be entrieled to have protection? |
| 16:41.43 | pingouin | SerajewelKS: that's hard talk ;) |
| 16:42.11 | Daemon-- | edistar - i wouldnt know the different ways to load it or what advantages or disadvantages they would hold |
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| 16:42.25 | edistar | Daemon--: well.. who knows if you protect yourself with your script? well: add this to the lo interface.. "pre-up /sbin/iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.conf" |
| 16:42.28 | SerajewelKS | Daemon--: everyone who doesn't understand something should get someone who does to do it for them |
| 16:42.30 | Daemon-- | i'll even bloody pay someone to talk me through it |
| 16:42.44 | Ben_Cs | i have an onboard Realtek ALC888 sound card. i can hear fine, but can't record, meaning - can't skype. please help. |
| 16:42.48 | SerajewelKS | Daemon--: because if you don't have a clue about security then setting it up yourself isn't much better than no security |
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| 16:43.10 | Daemon-- | SerajewelKS - i agree, wanna earn some $$$ ? |
| 16:43.18 | edistar | Daemon--: /etc/iptables.conf is where your script would be.. |
| 16:43.28 | Daemon-- | thank you kind sir |
| 16:43.34 | SerajewelKS | Daemon--: eh, not quite what i meant... |
| 16:43.47 | edistar | Daemon--: can't quarantee that it will work ;) |
| 16:43.53 | SerajewelKS | ok why can't totem play videos with ogg audio streams |
| 16:44.04 | edistar | gstreamer? |
| 16:44.07 | Daemon-- | i can only try and |
| 16:44.09 | SerajewelKS | vorbis rather |
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| 16:44.30 | SerajewelKS | xine can't either, wtf |
| 16:45.20 | mavior | hello,i would install icedove 2 on a fresh stable release: the package is listed as "unstable".I have to update all the 63 packages that apt-get want,or is there another way to try it first without (breaking) upgrading to unstable a lot of packages? thank you |
| 16:45.40 | SerajewelKS | mavior: either use a backport or don't use iceweasel too |
| 16:45.48 | SerajewelKS | s/too/2/ |
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| 16:46.18 | SerajewelKS | mavior: it's called stable because it doesn't change except for security updates |
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| 16:47.01 | nelf | SerajewelKS: You might have already tried, but vlc is pretty good |
| 16:47.20 | SerajewelKS | nelf: i think avidemux just did something fucked up |
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| 16:48.08 | AbsintheSyringe | is there a way to install debian without gnome, just kde |
| 16:48.17 | mavior | oh ok but....just for try: is there any method to get unstable source to compile on stable...i mean some option for "apt-get" for ignore dependencies ?(i'm new with debian) |
| 16:48.40 | petemc | AbsintheSyringe: dotn install the desktop task, then just aptitude install kde |
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| 16:49.16 | AbsintheSyringe | petemc, I know, I'm just asking is tehre a way to install it during install, even "expert" diding give me that dialog |
| 16:49.31 | mavior | i get no luck searching on man pages for such an option |
| 16:49.38 | Daemon-- | edistar - /etc/iptables.conf doesnt exist, is it comething i create and just paste in my code? |
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| 16:50.14 | petemc | AbsintheSyringe: theres a way to pass an option to the installler to install kde with the desktop task |
| 16:50.30 | AbsintheSyringe | petemc, during install? |
| 16:50.37 | petemc | yes |
| 16:50.46 | petemc | well, you pass the option before you start |
| 16:50.47 | nelf | mavior: The build dependancies of the package will (probably) require packages from unstable to compile against. You could download the source of thunderbird and try to compile it that way (rather than using a deb package). |
| 16:50.47 | AbsintheSyringe | what is it? |
| 16:50.57 | petemc | im not 100% on the details |
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| 16:52.24 | nelf | mavior: That option is possibly the least disruptive to your current debian install, as thunderbird should be installed in /usr/local, and you can uninstall it if you don't want. I've not tried it with that package myself, though. |
| 16:52.38 | aldin | hi, is it possible to change hdd rpms, now i have 7200 and would like it to change on 5400 rpms? |
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| 16:52.55 | mavior | nelf: in fact i've just tried and dpkg-buildpackage give me deps error when it is called by apt-get source --compile.... |
| 16:53.51 | nelf | mavior: You may get better mileage with option 2 (getting thunderbird source and compiling) |
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| 16:56.26 | mavior | nelf: i was wondering if exist something like a "user-only dpkg system" so i can download rapidly the software from deb repos and then compile with dpkg and all goes not in the "main" dpkg system...but probably i'm only fly with my imagination..so it remains to me only the classical way....sufr to site,get tar,conaifgure,make..etc.... :) |
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| 16:56.58 | yos87 | Hi, |
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| 16:57.21 | jelly-home | aldin: changing the rotational speed of your hard drive is not possible. You probably could replace the current drive with a new one, with lower rpm. |
| 16:57.42 | mavior | nelf: sorry what is a "mileage"? (i'm not english) |
| 16:57.42 | yos87 | I have question, when I connect my usb hdd, I cannot past on it, it say not permission, what should I add to the fstab file to be able to past on the hdd? |
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| 16:58.17 | jelly-home | nelf: why not just use Mozilla's binaries? |
| 16:58.25 | nelf | mavior: I mean "it could be easier" |
| 16:58.31 | aldin | jelly-home, ok, thanks |
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| 16:58.53 | mavior | nelf,do you know where i can get icedove sources to compile? |
| 16:59.03 | nelf | mavior: jelly-home has a good point. |
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| 16:59.47 | mavior | are there icedove binaries somewhere? |
| 17:00.26 | abrotman | mavior: apt-cache search icedove |
| 17:00.49 | nelf | mavior: From www.mozilla.org - icedove is called Thunderbird |
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| 17:03.05 | mavior | it will work if i get sources with apt-get source icedove nad then try to compile the sources inside the tar? |
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| 17:03.20 | mavior | yes i know, i was interested in icedove :) |
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| 17:03.49 | mavior | yes i know it's the same but...hey i'm on debian so...:P |
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| 17:04.35 | jetscreamer | apt-build ? |
| 17:04.43 | jetscreamer | !apt-build |
| 17:04.43 | dpkg | hmm... apt-build is an apt-get front-end for compiling software optimised for your machine, see http://freshmeat.net/projects/apt-build/?topic_id=147%2C865, or http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html |
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| 17:05.49 | jelly-home | mavior: if you can't use Debian's packaging, you might as well use the upstream supported binaries of Thunderbird. |
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| 17:10.03 | yos87 | when I connect my usb hdd, I cannot write on it, it say no permission, what sould I edit on my fstab file ? http://pastebin.com/d1862791a |
| 17:10.15 | mavior | jelly-home: i'm expreimenting a bit...i think it's possible to compile icedove 2 on etch stable |
| 17:10.43 | jelly-home | mavior: sure it's possible, it's only software |
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| 17:11.46 | mavior | jelly-home: i mean to have it working on a stable,without upgrade 63 packages..i'm checking the requirements inside the sources get from debian source repo |
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| 17:12.41 | jelly-home | mavior: eh, it's like any other backport, only (I'm guessing) more painful. Try installing the versions that are available in etch and see if it builds (and works) |
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| 17:13.22 | jetscreamer | there's no backport for icedove on backports.org? |
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| 17:13.41 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: that's beside the point! |
| 17:13.59 | jelly-home | ;-) |
| 17:14.19 | jetscreamer | ah...... been there |
| 17:14.19 | jelly-home | !info icedove etch-backports |
| 17:14.36 | mavior | http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/i/icedove/ |
| 17:15.01 | jelly-home | dpkg, you failed me |
| 17:15.02 | RockerMONO | yos87: do you mount it /after/ the computer boots? i think it has to be mounted after boot to be writable unless it's the main filesystem, not positive |
| 17:15.09 | tsv_ | hi, i'd like to know what non-free software is included in debian by default? i thought none was, but i just read debian includes "firmware and other non-free bits" by default |
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| 17:16.11 | xingu | what kind of crack do you have to smoke to wind up encoding a stream that has even fields doubled to 30fps and *ac3* audio? |
| 17:16.22 | xingu | I mean... woah. |
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| 17:16.49 | jelly-home | xingu: whut? |
| 17:16.54 | jetscreamer | i don't know |
| 17:17.04 | RockerMONO | xingu: i dunno, how much crack do you think someone would have to smoke to try audio editing on a 12 year old computer? |
| 17:17.10 | jetscreamer | is that what my encoding is doing? |
| 17:17.21 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:17.31 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
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| 17:17.59 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: that's not 30fps, only 29.976! |
| 17:18.05 | jetscreamer | i was close :/ |
| 17:18.13 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: so he's not talking about you ;-) |
| 17:18.19 | jetscreamer | phew! |
| 17:18.37 | RockerMONO | what should the main floppy drive mount as?... |
| 17:18.53 | jetscreamer | /media/floppysomething iirc |
| 17:18.58 | RockerMONO | ok |
| 17:19.00 | jetscreamer | i always change that though |
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| 17:21.17 | jelly-home | /fTAB |
| 17:21.44 | jetscreamer | but what if you have /fun-pron |
| 17:21.58 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: pron is in /d/porn! |
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| 17:22.03 | jelly-home | duh |
| 17:22.05 | jetscreamer | o :) |
| 17:22.05 | Intensity | Hi. What can I pass to the kernel command line to have uswsusp/hibernate not attempt to resume from a suspend? It is stalling because /dev/loop0 is not valid. I'm running 4.0 (etch) on an i386. |
| 17:22.05 | Intensity | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.27 | akos | Hi all! how can I make (dynamic dhcp, and a lot of them) windows computer names to resolve on linux? |
| 17:22.32 | jetscreamer | oh yeah i gotta fix the hibernation |
| 17:22.39 | xingu | jetscreamer: no, you'd have to make pretty creative use of a deinterlacer to get to this level of borkage; -vf ...,tinterlace=1,... or similar. |
| 17:23.31 | jetscreamer | set the dns server to use the one they use? (/me doesn't know) |
| 17:23.51 | xingu | jetscreamer: what I gather is that someone couldn't spell "telecine" |
| 17:23.56 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 17:24.12 | jetscreamer | i try to avoid telecine, and math |
| 17:24.24 | jetscreamer | not qualified |
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| 17:24.50 | RockerMONO | jetscreamer: if you avoid math my next project's details will scare the crap out of you =p |
| 17:24.53 | yos87 | rockerMONO: no, it's not on system boot, I mount it on the same user |
| 17:24.56 | xingu | jetscreamer: but still, it's pretty damn hilarious that in amongst all the fumbling they managed to leak the ac3 from the original mpeg TS through right to the postage stamp sized (320x240) final stage. |
| 17:25.19 | RockerMONO | yos87: hm... so you mount it after you log in and all that? |
| 17:25.30 | xingu | I mean great, the video has crawlies from hell all over it, but never mind, we got hi def stereo! |
| 17:25.34 | jelly-home | xingu: maybe they just like it to sound nice |
| 17:25.44 | jetscreamer | i hang in #math just to make myself feel bad |
| 17:26.11 | RockerMONO | jetscreamer: i'm making a Pentium 1 into a digital real-time effects unit for my guitar amp.... :) |
| 17:26.24 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: so you derive pain from the experience? |
| 17:26.38 | jetscreamer | kinda of like a pleasant brainscrape or something |
| 17:26.56 | xingu | jetscreamer: is harddup a better idea than tfields=1 ? |
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| 17:27.08 | RockerMONO | jetscreamer: have you ever looked at the math for making an audio effect?... =] |
| 17:27.26 | jetscreamer | xingu: i really don't know. i just edited some of their hiquality examples |
| 17:27.53 | jelly-home | RockerMONO: meh, transform to freq. domain, mess, pull it back. |
| 17:28.02 | RockerMONO | jelly-home: in real time? ;) |
| 17:28.22 | jetscreamer | xingu: some dudes in #mplayer would know, as i'm sure you know. |
| 17:28.29 | RockerMONO | jelly-home: i'm going to attempt it in real-time on a pentium 1 =p |
| 17:28.35 | Intensity | Help! I cannot boot my system even if I enter "init=/bin/sh". It shows: "I/O error reading swsusp image" and it just stalls. |
| 17:28.36 | jelly-home | RockerMONO: sure, if your FFT hardware (or library) is good enough :-) |
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| 17:28.45 | RockerMONO | jelly-home: it's 12 years old.... you tell me =p |
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| 17:29.08 | jetscreamer | there is a 'noresume' or something/so boot option |
| 17:29.13 | jetscreamer | not sure the name |
| 17:29.14 | jelly-home | RockerMONO: maybe on a P2-P3 @ 266-500MHz |
| 17:29.24 | RockerMONO | i only have a spare P1.... :) |
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| 17:29.46 | RockerMONO | jelly-home: but the more challenging the more fun! and probably the more damage >.> |
| 17:29.46 | Coweater | a pentium 1 might do it, it's not like it's compressed audio |
| 17:29.53 | jetscreamer | so this p3-700 might cut it for realtime guitar effects? |
| 17:30.07 | RockerMONO | jetscreamer: that deffinately should :) |
| 17:30.15 | jetscreamer | cool.. it's a laptop |
| 17:30.16 | RockerMONO | jetscreamer: can i have it? =p |
| 17:30.17 | mmmmmm | how do i talk to a freenode staff? |
| 17:30.26 | jetscreamer | /join #freenode mmmmmm |
| 17:30.29 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: if you find an OS that can do decent realtime... |
| 17:30.30 | RockerMONO | mmmmmm: #freenode |
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| 17:30.48 | jetscreamer | jelly-home: you mean debian won't cut it???? :o |
| 17:30.49 | Intensity | jetscreamer: Thanks. That did the trick. |
| 17:30.54 | RockerMONO | jelly-home: meh, that's my main issue... |
| 17:30.55 | jelly-home | mmmmmm: "/stats p" should show who's available |
| 17:31.00 | jetscreamer | Intensity: it did? :) |
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| 17:31.05 | Coweater | jack would probably be useful if you're doing it on linux |
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| 17:31.17 | jetscreamer | /who staff/freenode works better .. or so |
| 17:31.20 | RockerMONO | Coweater: this is a 12yo computer i have to workwith >.> |
| 17:31.21 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: the default kernel? I don't think so. |
| 17:31.56 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: people who do audio have their own funny -rt patchsets and stuff |
| 17:32.41 | jetscreamer | jelly-home: i'll have to research that... i know nothing much about 'that' |
| 17:32.42 | RockerMONO | jetscreamer: for optimal performance it should be a custom setup purely for that purpose w/ a minimal GUI.... i have one setup but i need Libc and GCC working... but Libc has to be made off of the GCC it'll be using and GCC has to be built off of Libc... |
| 17:32.43 | mavior | thank you all for the support on icedove...some upgrade are inevitable for the 2.0 version as gtk...so apt-get should do the work |
| 17:32.49 | RockerMONO | jetscreamer: or some crap like that... not exactly sure |
| 17:33.03 | jetscreamer | so a custom runlevel would function also |
| 17:33.08 | RockerMONO | maybe |
| 17:33.13 | RockerMONO | no idea lol |
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| 17:33.41 | Intensity | jetscreamer: Yes, it moved past the stall I was getting in the boot process. I'm looking to do a suspend to disk (encrypted), but I'm guessing that the scripts support LUKS encryption and not loop-aes encryption for the swap image. I'm a bit confused as to how I should assign the partition I've allocated to swap and hibernate. It's not as clear to me, since /dev/loop0 might not even be defined at the point where the resume script |
| 17:33.41 | Intensity | wants it; but on the other hand, some /dev/mapper/* might. |
| 17:33.41 | Intensity | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.04 | jetscreamer | are you the same guy who had the luks problem a few/couple days ago? |
| 17:34.20 | jetscreamer | if not it seems to be a gotcha |
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| 17:34.58 | RockerMONO | bleah |
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| 17:36.48 | Intensity | jetscreamer: No; earlier I generally asked about how to set it up, but I didn't have an issue at the time since I was still trying to set it up correctly. |
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| 17:37.14 | jetscreamer | there was a guy a few days ago with a similar problem... |
| 17:37.37 | jetscreamer | he set it up during the installation of debian |
| 17:37.37 | RockerMONO | what's a good program that'll let me listen to MIDI files without Jack or Alsa?... |
| 17:38.36 | jelly-home | RockerMONO: timidity can do OSS output; you need patches though |
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| 17:39.05 | RockerMONO | jelly-home: timidity wouldn't even install right... it threw errors about missing config files and crap like that |
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| 17:39.24 | Intensity | jetscreamer: Okay, I think it was someone different. I did some thorough configuration during the debian installation. However, I'm not sure if what I'm trying to do is possible, especially with loop-aes. If I'm not resuming, I'd like to create a fresh encrypted swap with a random key (which the scripts handle just fine, even with loop-aes). If I am resuming from a previous suspend, I'd like to use the encrypted image that was |
| 17:39.24 | Intensity | specifically written to the partition (perhaps the same partition?). |
| 17:39.24 | Intensity | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:39.56 | jelly-home | RockerMONO: which debian release? |
| 17:39.58 | RockerMONO | jelly-home: i just need something that'll let me listen to music or convert it to something xfmedia can play |
| 17:40.00 | jetscreamer | i |
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| 17:40.04 | RockerMONO | jelly-home: etch |
| 17:40.19 | jetscreamer | beyond me Intensity :( |
| 17:40.35 | jelly-home | RockerMONO: can't listen to midis without patches anyway. Can you pastebin the timidity installation errors? |
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| 17:41.53 | jelly-home | RockerMONO: since you said no jack, fluidsynth can't be used |
| 17:42.20 | Intensity | jetscreamer: Well, I guess suspend to RAM is probably much safer anyhow, and less complicated. It's only a matter of how long of a battery life it would provide. |
| 17:42.23 | RockerMONO | jelly-home: well idk if it has jack... but Rosegarden doesn't play any audio at all, but i can listen to stuff in xfmedia |
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| 17:43.05 | jelly-home | !idk |
| 17:43.05 | dpkg | somebody said idk was I don't know... Do you? |
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| 17:43.45 | jelly-home | RockerMONO: is this all on a P1? |
| 17:44.02 | RockerMONO | jelly-home: no, this computer is a P3 |
| 17:44.05 | jelly-home | phew |
| 17:44.07 | RockerMONO | lol |
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| 17:44.57 | Phlogi__ | how can i achieve that my partitions are checked when booting? |
| 17:45.00 | jelly-home | I guess timidity's the best bet. fluidsynth eats a lot of cpu here (1.5GHz Celeron-M) and for marginally better quality compared to timidity |
| 17:45.06 | Phlogi__ | debian seems to not doing this normally... |
| 17:45.16 | Phlogi__ | because fsck now says that it was not checked over 100 times... |
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| 17:45.45 | oleth | hello. I have installed dualboot on hp pavillion 9312 notebook, which has a "HDAUDIO soft data fax modem with smartCP". I have instaled Kppp but the only thing I get is "modem is busy". Any ideas how to make the modem work? |
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| 17:46.19 | jelly-home | Phlogi__: ext3 partitions are checked only every $RANDOM mounts, that's normal |
| 17:46.37 | Phlogi__ | jelly-home: and what means random? how can I change that? |
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| 17:47.19 | jelly-home | Phlogi__: tune2fs, -c and also -i options |
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| 17:48.12 | Phlogi__ | jelly-home: do you know how to view the current settings? |
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| 17:49.04 | jelly-home | Phlogi__: dumpe2fs -h, I think |
| 17:49.22 | Phlogi__ | thanks |
| 17:49.56 | Phlogi__ | i think the hd is dying in that machine |
| 17:50.26 | jelly-home | Phlogi__: check out smartctl too, then (from smartmontools package) |
| 17:50.40 | Phlogi__ | jelly-home: i know them yes :) |
| 17:50.47 | Phlogi__ | at least I can boot now |
| 17:50.53 | pingouin | Phlogi__: try to check with smartmontools maybe ? |
| 17:50.59 | RockerMONO | jelly-home: timidity didn't work.... |
| 17:51.00 | jelly-home | oleth: HDAudio? Your modem might be supported by the commercial Linuxant driver. |
| 17:51.06 | Phlogi__ | hmm mysqld failed :( |
| 17:51.08 | jelly-home | !doesn't work |
| 17:51.08 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 17:51.21 | Phlogi__ | where is the log for that if mysqld fails to start? |
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| 17:52.44 | Phlogi__ | i can't enable smart it fails, I get kernel drive_cmd errors |
| 17:53.05 | jelly-home | ew |
| 17:53.26 | jetscreamer | /var/log/somewhere probably |
| 17:53.44 | jelly-home | nothing like a nice grep to find it out! |
| 17:54.06 | yos87 | hi, I have problem, I cannot write on my usb hdd, it say no permission, what can I do |
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| 17:55.05 | jelly-home | Phlogi__: /var/log/daemon.log on lenny |
| 17:55.33 | Phlogi__ | its sarge |
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| 17:56.50 | jetscreamer | yos87: mount it with good perms |
| 17:56.57 | jetscreamer | yos87: is it vfat ? |
| 17:57.00 | jelly-home | Phlogi__: no, it's something like "grep -l mysqld /var/log/*.log" |
| 17:57.00 | jetscreamer | !rw-vfat |
| 17:57.01 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 17:57.02 | oleth | jelly-home: linuxant is the only solution? are they considered trusted? |
| 17:57.21 | jelly-home | oleth: trusted by whom? |
| 17:57.30 | yos87 | jetscreamer: no, it's ext3 |
| 17:57.46 | jetscreamer | same method, yos87 ... or just chown the hell out of it |
| 17:57.56 | oleth | jely-home: a trusted source... em generally |
| 17:58.02 | Phlogi__ | mysqld says: Can't open and lock privilege tables: incorrect information in file: ./mysql/host.frm, what shall I do? |
| 17:58.02 | yos87 | jetscreamer: what I have to add to the fstab file? |
| 17:58.12 | jelly-home | oleth: I don't think a commercial firm could survive for so long by putting malware in their products |
| 17:58.15 | yos87 | jetscreamer: what do you mean chown the hell out of it/ |
| 17:58.17 | yos87 | ? |
| 17:58.44 | jetscreamer | chown -R user:user /mnt/thisthingy |
| 17:58.58 | oleth | jelly-home: ok, I have small linux experience and I don't know such stuff. Ok thanks! |
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| 17:59.14 | jelly-home | oleth: in any case, I have their driver. it's slightly unstable (breaks hibernation and suspend) on my laptop, but it works |
| 17:59.16 | Phlogi__ | what is this files host.frm? |
| 17:59.21 | jetscreamer | yos87: the chown would be non-elegant ... |
| 17:59.23 | jetscreamer | i chown |
| 18:00.02 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 18:00.06 | oleth | jelly-home: breaks hiber? not nice :-), however if its the only one around.... ;-) |
| 18:00.24 | oleth | jelly-home: can't complain' |
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| 18:00.41 | jelly-home | oleth: I work around that by not using the modem much these days :-) |
| 18:00.50 | yos87 | jetscreamer: Oh, it worked ! But I cannot delete |
| 18:00.59 | pipeline | j/lastlog oleth |
| 18:01.09 | yos87 | jetscreamer: it say no permission |
| 18:01.24 | pipeline | oleth: A number of softmodems are supported by the smartlink daemon + smartlink driver. |
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| 18:01.40 | pipeline | oleth: I believe the relevant packages have "slmodem" in the name. |
| 18:01.47 | dragon__ | the best reason to switch to linux from windows.. linux can run, and be used, for weeks at a time with out becomming unstable or running out of memory. |
| 18:02.14 | yos87 | jetscreamer: what kan I do , I cannot delete |
| 18:02.16 | pipeline | dragon__: Fun fact: I only reboot windows production servers every six months :) |
| 18:02.27 | pipeline | dragon__: We're not living in the NT4 era anymore, dude. |
| 18:02.30 | oleth | pipeline: j/lastlog ? |
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| 18:02.34 | pipeline | oleth: I can't type. |
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| 18:02.45 | oleth | pipeline: :-) |
| 18:02.48 | yos87 | *can |
| 18:03.06 | oleth | ok i'll check the slmodem |
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| 18:03.19 | jelly-home | pipeline: you don't patch monthly? :-) |
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| 18:04.02 | pipeline | jelly-home: Haha. Dude. Windows is unpatchable. Any given patch could cause your entire environment to come crashing down. Service packs ONLY. :P |
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| 18:04.46 | jelly-home | pipeline: dunno, my (only) app seems to live thru it |
| 18:05.15 | pipeline | jelly-home: Yeah, well, if I had my druthers, I'd do a lot of things with windows servers. Like replace them. :) |
| 18:05.20 | dragon__ | pipeline: i was referring more to the desktop type setup.. |
| 18:05.22 | jelly-home | pipeline: ok, so I haven't patched it lately, either: 20:04:42 up 116 days, 23:57, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
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| 18:07.02 | pipeline | dragon__: If you have to reboot your desktop, something has gone awry :P |
| 18:07.03 | jetscreamer | gah... my fonts changed again |
| 18:07.03 | jelly-home | hmm, cygwin always thinks loadavg is 0.00 |
| 18:07.11 | jetscreamer | i don't get it |
| 18:07.23 | jetscreamer | and i'm not going to try atm |
| 18:07.24 | pipeline | jelly-home: Solution: MS SUA + toolbox ssh :) |
| 18:08.32 | jelly-home | pipeline: nah, I don't care enough to even try services for unix. |
| 18:09.00 | jelly-home | I like using sshfs to mess with windows server files, though ;-) |
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| 18:11.04 | esapochul | hello all, anyone running debian 32 bit on AMD64? I am wondering which kernel headers to download, there is a linux-headers-2.6.22-1-amd64 package on the 32bit repository, I guess it is this one, right? |
| 18:12.13 | drako | esapochul, if ur running 32bits then use 32bits. |
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| 18:12.33 | esapochul | drako -> but then, which header files to download from the repository? |
| 18:12.39 | hark | esapochul: linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 18:13.10 | esapochul | linux-headers-2.6.22-1-486 then ): |
| 18:13.40 | jetscreamer | just paste what hard said |
| 18:13.45 | jetscreamer | err hark |
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| 18:13.50 | esapochul | jetscreamer -> just did |
| 18:13.55 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 18:14.22 | jetscreamer | i mean apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` or $(uname -r) |
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| 18:15.24 | RobNyc | !fusion |
| 18:15.26 | dacs | vncserver is working fine for me,except that the screen is big i tried -geomety 1024x768 and it is still big and tips |
| 18:15.28 | RobNyc | !nvidia |
| 18:15.28 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 18:15.38 | RobNyc | !compiz-fusion |
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| 18:15.52 | hark | RobNyc: nope, not in debian |
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| 18:16.02 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 18:16.03 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:16.03 | esapochul | !ati |
| 18:16.03 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com |
| 18:16.06 | jetscreamer | just in case |
| 18:16.33 | tanob | hello guys, im trying to recompile my kernel, but i have a SATA disk, and im getting kernel panic |
| 18:16.45 | jetscreamer | heh my mistake |
| 18:17.04 | jetscreamer | tanob: are you passing --initrd to make-kpkg? |
| 18:17.06 | pipeline | jelly-home: ehh, SUA is miles faster than Cygwin. It's extremely handy for SSH and rsync. |
| 18:17.11 | SerajewelKS | tanob: why are you compiling your own kernel? |
| 18:17.18 | SerajewelKS | hark: let me know when you get out of therapy |
| 18:17.23 | RobNyc | hark, thanks =\ |
| 18:17.27 | tanob | in menuconfig, in SCSI or Serial Ata ... menus, it doesnt show any options about SATA controllers |
| 18:18.05 | tanob | i think that is some dependency in another option |
| 18:18.09 | jetscreamer | so was that a yes or a no |
| 18:18.12 | tanob | but i dont know what option |
| 18:18.46 | tanob | jetscreamer: im compiling my own kernel, without initrd |
| 18:18.58 | tanob | SerajewelKS: because i want :) |
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| 18:19.21 | blinx | mixxx is not the right dj software for linux and for me |
| 18:19.32 | blinx | which alternatives you can recommend? |
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| 18:20.07 | RobNyc | I have a Dual Core AMD Opteron 165 (1.8ghz) @ .2.7ghz .. can I get the 2.6.21-2-686 kernel or get the 2.6.21-2-amd64 kernel ? |
| 18:20.34 | subx | is it pretty secure running a IRCd server and changing the IRC server port to something non-standard like 8888 ? |
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| 18:21.03 | krazykit | subx, not really, it's only security by obscurity |
| 18:21.05 | slump | RobNyc, use the amd64 version if you are running debian/amd64 |
| 18:21.09 | jetscreamer | tanob: they are putting in some new libata stuff (note i don't know the technical wordage) CONFIG_ATA_PIIX=m for instance |
| 18:21.27 | jetscreamer | CONFIG_SATA_SIS=m |
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| 18:21.39 | subx | krazykit: but it will stop a lot of bot floods, and thats the main problem with IRC servers? |
| 18:21.47 | jetscreamer | i forget where in menuconfig they are exactly |
| 18:22.02 | RobNyc | slump, im not running debian-64bit though so I guess i should stick with the 686 kernel then ? |
| 18:22.15 | krazykit | subx, i don't really know much about flood bots, but there should be better protection against that anyway than just using a nonstandard port |
| 18:22.16 | slump | yeap |
| 18:22.42 | slump | i don't think debian/i386 could boot amd64 kernels. |
| 18:22.51 | slump | but you could try hehe |
| 18:23.13 | SerajewelKS | subx: it will not stop any bot floods |
| 18:23.21 | jetscreamer | Serial ATA (prod) and Parallel ATA (experimental) drivers ---> |
| 18:23.47 | jetscreamer | oh he left :/ |
| 18:24.16 | subx | i have a website and im running a java IRC client on it called PJIRC, but im unable to connect to servers like EFNET thats why i need to setup my own server |
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| 18:25.16 | SerajewelKS | subx: that's because of the java security model, which i think you can bypass if you sign the applet |
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| 18:25.27 | SerajewelKS | subx: better would be to not use java for it at all :) |
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| 18:27.19 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: what else should he use for a website irc client? |
| 18:28.02 | Coweater | cgi irc |
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| 18:28.30 | Coweater | but you'd have to find one that lets you connect to the server of your choice, a lot are set up for a specific server |
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| 18:30.54 | subx | SerajewelKS: there are no other web based IRC clients apart from java ones |
| 18:31.20 | Coweater | liar |
| 18:31.52 | subx | liar, your pants are on fire! |
| 18:32.18 | Coweater | i just told about the other one |
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| 18:32.32 | subx | cgi irc ? |
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| 18:33.18 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: IMO a website isn't a good place for a client... |
| 18:33.26 | subx | Coweater: what was that coded in? |
| 18:33.33 | xand | cgi-irc uses perl |
| 18:33.44 | subx | SerajewelKS: why isnt a website a good place for a IRC client? |
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| 18:34.07 | Coweater | because browsers make for limited clients, but they're good enough in a pinch |
| 18:34.35 | SerajewelKS | subx: it's like using your word processor to edit C source files |
| 18:34.42 | SerajewelKS | subx: it can be done... but why |
| 18:34.43 | subx | tehehehe |
| 18:34.47 | xand | nothing beats irssi :) |
| 18:34.52 | SerajewelKS | xand: hear hear |
| 18:35.00 | subx | because a lot of people cant be bothered to download and install a client! |
| 18:35.03 | Iradigalesc | Hello! Which is the best way to install Debian Testing in a Windows computer? Installing first Etch and then migrating to Testing or installing directly Testing with a daily-build CD image? |
| 18:35.10 | SerajewelKS | java in a browser is like putting a semi on a flatbed |
| 18:35.23 | subx | lol |
| 18:35.28 | SerajewelKS | let's see how much memory and CPU we can burn drawing gray boxes! |
| 18:35.30 | xand | SerajewelKS: so difficult with apt, huh |
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| 18:35.40 | SerajewelKS | xand: what's apt got to do with it |
| 18:35.49 | xand | erm |
| 18:35.52 | subx | SerajewelKS: does java use a lot of resources? |
| 18:35.54 | xand | sorry, that was meant for subx |
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| 18:36.08 | SerajewelKS | subx: "a lot" is conservative |
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| 18:36.32 | simprix | What happened to libapache2-mod-auth-mysql. Im trying to get htaccess to work with mysql and can't find that package. Is there a replacement ? |
| 18:36.39 | SerajewelKS | i would not touch java with < 1gb of ram |
| 18:36.51 | SerajewelKS | i still prefer mono over java anyway |
| 18:37.00 | subx | not even for a ickle little chatroom |
| 18:37.10 | subx | http://www.pjirc.com/main.php |
| 18:37.15 | SerajewelKS | subx: uhm, pretty much |
| 18:37.41 | subx | to hell with it, im installing a irc server |
| 18:37.48 | subx | and opening ports on my server |
| 18:37.51 | xingu | SerajewelKS: java in an *opensource* browser compiled with an opensource c compiler and linked against opensource libraries is more akin to putting a pneumatic drill into your brain, I'd say. |
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| 18:38.28 | mmmmmm | what's good command line torrent client |
| 18:38.30 | SerajewelKS | xingu: eh, it's better than proprietary, but it's still a huge footprint |
| 18:38.33 | SerajewelKS | mmmmmm: rtorrent |
| 18:38.35 | Red_Cloud | I have a package that is hung up during upgrade. It is libgconf2-4. It is not fully installed. I have tried various apt-get options trying to get it unstuck but have had no good results. Help? |
| 18:38.46 | xingu | SerajewelKS: corallary to that statement is "how many layers of indirection are too many" :) |
| 18:38.49 | SerajewelKS | xingu: mono uses far less RAM in my experience |
| 18:39.08 | SerajewelKS | xingu: of course mono must be shit since it's an MS technology </sarcasm> |
| 18:39.15 | mmmmmm | 0.7.4 any good? rtorrent |
| 18:39.23 | SerajewelKS | mmmmmm: try it and see |
| 18:39.51 | jetscreamer | Red_Cloud: when apt-get -f install doesn't work, and aptitude doesn't either, try my method |
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| 18:40.05 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg fix-unmet |
| 18:40.29 | jetscreamer | or dpkg --configure -a |
| 18:40.34 | Intensity | Hi. I'm attempting to use s2ram (suspend) on a Thinkpad T40, and it seems to suspend fine, but when it resumes, just after I do a 'sync', it floods the console with messages: ide: failed opcode was: unknown; hda: task_out_intr status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }; error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=78126841, sector=78126841. Any idea why it would come across this error? |
| 18:40.34 | Intensity | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.55 | jetscreamer | Intensity: my T20 the cdrom is hda |
| 18:41.17 | jetscreamer | but 0x51 errors on an hd are bad |
| 18:41.40 | jetscreamer | i usually associate that one with the click of death |
| 18:41.51 | SerajewelKS | Intensity: try freezing, if that doesn't work then you need to hire someone to recover data |
| 18:42.00 | SerajewelKS | Intensity: oh, suspend, oops |
| 18:42.01 | xingu | SerajewelKS: I can live without either of them. :) give me portable source any day |
| 18:42.04 | SerajewelKS | Intensity: don't suspend it :) |
| 18:42.22 | jetscreamer | yeah turning it off for a while and letting it cool down sometimes helps hd's with that error, for me |
| 18:42.31 | jetscreamer | but hey check if the cdrom is on hda |
| 18:42.35 | SerajewelKS | xingu: mono for me isn't as much about portable source as it is using a language that is actually fun to use |
| 18:42.49 | SerajewelKS | xingu: don't get me wrong, i like C, but GTK+ is a PITA sometimes. Gtk# is amazing. |
| 18:42.49 | n3kl | How do I install a perl module from cpan on debian? |
| 18:43.32 | Intensity | jetscreamer: I think that it's a matter of the kernel trying to access an invalid region of the disk. Web searches are suggesting that it may have to do with "IBM Predesktop Area". |
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| 18:44.53 | jetscreamer | Intensity: i had a 10G hd in it when i got it... there was some weirdness somewhere when i was cloning it, might have been what you said. i have a 40 in there now. |
| 18:45.18 | xingu | SerajewelKS: I remember people saying that about tcl/tk. :) |
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| 18:45.52 | SerajewelKS | xingu: eh, never used it myself |
| 18:46.07 | anapivirtua | Good evening / Bonsoir |
| 18:46.23 | SerajewelKS | xingu: all i know is that Gtk# is really intuitive, and doesn't eat up that much memory compared to using GTK+ natively |
| 18:46.39 | SerajewelKS | xingu: and with the Gtk# windows installer, the binary image is portable |
| 18:46.54 | xingu | SerajewelKS: point being the world doesn't seem to be short of cool new things, interpreters (even JIT ones), domain specific languages, app frameworks, ... |
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| 18:47.29 | SerajewelKS | xingu: god willing it won't ever be short of them |
| 18:47.42 | SerajewelKS | xingu: but only the standardized ones will be useful to anybody |
| 18:48.04 | jetscreamer | hey is /boot/config-whatever used/needed , or is it just a 'record' of the config |
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| 18:48.37 | zophy | gvim needs tabbed windows |
| 18:48.38 | xingu | SerajewelKS: yup; and something that I'm unlikely to find preinstalled on a 10-15yo system is not interesting to me - cool new things have terribly short half-lives |
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| 18:48.55 | SerajewelKS | xingu: well if you use windows it's part of windows update :) |
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| 18:49.07 | SerajewelKS | xingu: and on debian, aptitude install mono |
| 18:49.13 | xingu | SerajewelKS: what, even on the alpha builds of NT? |
| 18:49.41 | SerajewelKS | xingu: if you are using alpha NT for anything then you have more problems than not having the latest thing |
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| 18:50.02 | zophy | as long as they power |
| 18:50.04 | SerajewelKS | xingu: that scenario wouldn't matter though |
| 18:50.06 | zophy | up |
| 18:50.14 | SerajewelKS | xingu: as long as the box serving X has it :) |
| 18:50.16 | xingu | anyway |
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| 18:50.33 | xingu | lets see if mono is pervasive in 2010 or if you've lost interest and are onto your next cool new thing. :) |
| 18:50.42 | xingu | then we can restart this |
| 18:50.53 | jetscreamer | i have input! |
| 18:50.57 | SerajewelKS | xingu: bet you it will be... mono has been around for some years |
| 18:51.10 | SerajewelKS | xingu: and novell is using it extensively in suse |
| 18:51.12 | zophy | isn't open source java going to make mono obsolete ? |
| 18:51.18 | jetscreamer | morons can use vs (/me case in point) but you have to actually learn something to use mono |
| 18:51.18 | SerajewelKS | zophy: not by a long shot |
| 18:51.23 | xingu | SerajewelKS: most of my systems now have perl, if I'm careful about perl4 portability issues |
| 18:51.27 | zophy | i can only hope |
| 18:51.35 | SerajewelKS | zophy: look at C# vs java and you will quickly realize that java is not close at all |
| 18:51.58 | SerajewelKS | zophy: in java every method is virtual... every damn one. the JIT can only do so good in that scenario. |
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| 18:52.23 | zophy | yes java is clunky and hardware is cheap |
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| 18:52.29 | SerajewelKS | then factor in the broken "event listener" model |
| 18:52.40 | SerajewelKS | delegates are so much better and plenty faster |
| 18:53.18 | zophy | i don't know that much about C# |
| 18:53.24 | SerajewelKS | zophy: exactly :) |
| 18:53.48 | SerajewelKS | i'm not saying java sucks, i'm just saying if i have to pick one to code with i'm picking C#, or maybe Boo |
| 18:53.59 | xingu | SerajewelKS: it (java) seems to work ok for the oracle database core. :) |
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| 18:54.04 | RockerMONO | when you instal php5-cgi, where's the executable located? |
| 18:54.13 | asg | RockerMONO: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 18:54.15 | jelly-home | xingu: you mean the installer? |
| 18:54.17 | SerajewelKS | xingu: like i said, it works great for some things |
| 18:54.22 | xingu | jelly-home: no, I mean the database. |
| 18:54.29 | SerajewelKS | xingu: the CLI isn't as well-supported or mature as java |
| 18:54.37 | SerajewelKS | xingu: but it has a lot more potential than java ever will |
| 18:54.42 | jelly-home | xingu: oh, didn't know that |
| 18:54.43 | xingu | maybe |
| 18:54.44 | zophy | are there any large sites using mono for applications/webserver ? |
| 18:54.45 | jetscreamer | wtf is mconf and why is it running 2 instances and taking up 200% of my cpu |
| 18:54.56 | zophy | or is mono merely a toy ? |
| 18:54.59 | SerajewelKS | zophy: quite a few, check mono-project.com |
| 18:55.27 | xingu | SerajewelKS: performance critical sections tend to get rewritten in C in the long run anyway - oddly enough it fits most target arch's like a glove. |
| 18:55.29 | SerajewelKS | zophy: some sites are using it to serve ASP.NET projects, others are using it to develop medical database systems using Gtk# for *windows* deployment |
| 18:55.39 | SerajewelKS | xingu: indeed |
| 18:55.42 | n3kl | dh-make-perl --build --cpan Archive::Zip fails. Is there a better way to install perl modules on debian? |
| 18:55.50 | SerajewelKS | xingu: if you need C stuff, invoking it from mono is a lot easier than java |
| 18:55.57 | xingu | SerajewelKS: I'm not sure how important it is to bat off over relative performance merits of something likely to be used mostly in demo-ware and outer layers :) |
| 18:56.00 | asg | n3kl: apt-cache search Archive::Zip |
| 18:56.02 | SerajewelKS | xingu: on java you have to write the glue yourself using JNI |
| 18:56.17 | xingu | SerajewelKS: it's not too mind bending once you start |
| 18:56.34 | zophy | SerajewelKS, is that because of the merits of C#/.net, and/or is it a cross platform compatability necessity ? |
| 18:56.36 | xingu | SerajewelKS: it's less of a head fuck than doing the same thing for smalltalk |
| 18:56.38 | SerajewelKS | xingu: on .NET you just [DllImport("foo")] public static extern int foobar(string s); |
| 18:57.02 | n3kl | asg: the module I seek is not in apt |
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| 18:57.10 | asg | n3kl: what debian version are you using? |
| 18:57.16 | SerajewelKS | zophy: cross platform is part of it but i think it's mostly because using Gtk# for the UI doesn't even compare to winforms or win32 |
| 18:57.19 | asg | n3kl: asg@grep:~$ apt-cache search Archive::Zip |
| 18:57.20 | asg | libarchive-zip-perl - Module for manipulation of ZIP archives |
| 18:57.22 | n3kl | asg: etch |
| 18:57.27 | asg | n3kl: that's from etch |
| 18:57.58 | n3kl | asg: pardon me, Archive::ZIP is just an example. The module I seek is WWW::Mechanize |
| 18:58.06 | n3kl | asg: which I do not see in apt |
| 18:58.22 | SerajewelKS | xingu: the CLI takes care of marshalling everything |
| 18:58.25 | don_armstrong | n3kl: it's there as libwww-mechanize-perl |
| 18:58.48 | SerajewelKS | xingu: a string becomes a char* and you can actually tell the marshaller what to marshal it as... char*, wchar*, etc |
| 18:58.52 | asg | n3kl: libwww-mechanize-perl - Automate interaction with websites |
| 18:58.55 | n3kl | don_armstrong: ah ha, so there is. Thank you! |
| 18:59.04 | n3kl | asg: thanks |
| 18:59.08 | asg | n3kl: you're welcome |
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| 18:59.19 | SerajewelKS | xingu: you can also do things like (ref int someint) which becomes an int* in C that will write back to whatever variable you pass it |
| 19:01.02 | xingu | SerajewelKS: just so long as you don't run out of legs memory-bandwidth-wise in the process eh? |
| 19:01.26 | SerajewelKS | xingu: if you need performance that badly then of course you use C |
| 19:02.00 | xingu | :) |
| 19:02.02 | SerajewelKS | xingu: my point is that developing desktop applications is much easier in C# than java or C, and the performance is actually pretty good. if you're writing high performance servers then you should not be looking at any VM language. |
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| 19:02.57 | xingu | SerajewelKS: easier is multidimensional too; learning curve, deployment costs, runtime footprint |
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| 19:03.36 | SerajewelKS | xingu: with CLI my experience is that deployment is the hardest part |
| 19:04.05 | SerajewelKS | xingu: the learning curve is practically nonexistant if you have used C, and the runtime is getting much smaller. it's still kinda big and there are some leaks in mono. |
| 19:04.14 | SerajewelKS | xingu: of course that will be fixed in time, etc |
| 19:04.22 | xingu | SerajewelKS: maybe; your comment about jvm sizing (>1G+ DRAM); dropping mono onto a tightly sized, java based servelet environment won't win you any friends |
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| 19:04.55 | SerajewelKS | xingu: of course not, because the FOSS community hates mono to begin with, and it's also relatively new |
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| 19:05.10 | xingu | SerajewelKS: anyway, this is mostly batting off and mostly on my part; my perspective is very definitely keeping the ship running, I rely on guys like you to figure out where it's going *to*. :) |
| 19:05.12 | SerajewelKS | xingu: again, there is more potential for optimization with the CLI |
| 19:05.22 | SerajewelKS | xingu: ah |
| 19:05.39 | xingu | SerajewelKS: I don't mind new stuff, but I have a lot of old stuff that never went away to keep running too |
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| 19:05.46 | SerajewelKS | xingu: i don't get excited about new technology easily... it took me about four years to start using C# |
| 19:06.08 | xingu | SerajewelKS: I only groped perl's behind late last year, don't feel too special. :) |
| 19:06.33 | SerajewelKS | xingu: i used perl for a while, it's good for quick hack jobs. really good in fact. |
| 19:06.48 | xingu | with a bit of luck we'll be able to shut down our vaxes in '08-'09 :) |
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| 19:08.42 | xingu | SerajewelKS: this year python popped up as an embedded component in one app we've deployed; if I'm likely to see mono/c# anyway, it's likely to be people automating new-ish windows boxes |
| 19:09.18 | SerajewelKS | xingu: i haven't used python, but Boo is a CLI language that resembles python |
| 19:09.31 | xingu | SerajewelKS: if/when that happens I might have an excuse to do something with it if it's easy enough to throw together rpc code using it. |
| 19:10.03 | merc | is apache2 not surviving the restart from the logrotate script a known issue? it seems people have the same issue - but i cant find a solution :( |
| 19:10.06 | SerajewelKS | xingu: i'm sure MS has made remoting/rpc pretty easy |
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| 19:12.20 | xingu | SerajewelKS: actually speaking of java, the code that I threw together a while back as a learning exercise (some trivial numerical modelling stuff that works on rather large datasets) needs a redesign |
| 19:13.02 | xingu | SerajewelKS: might be a good excuse to take a look at gtk# basics; I need a postgres connector and a functional equivalent for freechart (I'm fecked if I'm going to write either) |
| 19:14.18 | SerajewelKS | xingu: have a ball :) |
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| 19:16.00 | Iradigalesc | Hello! Which is the best way to install Debian Testing in a Windows computer? Installing first Etch and then migrating to Testing or installing directly Testing with a daily-build CD image? |
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| 19:17.16 | SerajewelKS | Iradigalesc: the latter will be a lot faster |
| 19:17.20 | asg | Iradigalesc: either would be fine. The latter might be preferred if etch doesn't install well you your system. However, you should stick with etch, if possible, unless you have a compelling reason to use testing |
| 19:17.27 | merc | what's the difference between /etc/init.d/apache2 restart and reload? is it only that the restart actually stops the process? |
| 19:17.59 | asg | merc: reload doesn't kill existing connections and will service them with the old in-memory image until they expire. |
| 19:18.11 | merc | cool, thanks |
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| 19:18.28 | merc | in the logrotate for apache im going to try reload instead of restart -- hopefully it will stop dying. |
| 19:18.42 | asg | merc: what version of debian are you using? |
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| 19:18.55 | Iradigalesc | asg: Eth will be old some months ago. I'm using testing and it works find for me... |
| 19:18.59 | merc | the latest i would assume. |
| 19:19.12 | merc | 4.0 |
| 19:19.25 | merc | (according to /etc/debian_version) |
| 19:19.27 | Intensity | jetscreamer: Well, no luck after changing the BIOS to not hide the partition data. That's strange. But, in the future I can always get it to work (it's not a showstopper). |
| 19:19.47 | asg | merc: 4.0 is the latest stable. Is there a bug number in the bts that indicates the same issue you are having? |
| 19:20.14 | merc | gotta find the page again, sec.. |
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| 19:20.43 | asg | merc: also, what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1' output? |
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| 19:21.16 | merc | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 19:21.29 | Ben_Cs | When i install Debian by net CD, should i let it install Defualt options of Desktop, or install it manually later on? |
| 19:21.30 | xingu | SerajewelKS: nplot, zedgraph for freechart; npgsql for postgres connector |
| 19:21.45 | Ben_Cs | *default packages i mean |
| 19:21.49 | asg | merc: okay, etch it is. Just wanted to be sure. |
| 19:21.57 | merc | word |
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| 19:22.35 | sophie29 | Hello, good morning. One question (out of topic ok?). If I OC my CPU 266 x 10, does my ram also needs to be at the same speed 266 mhz? Because I have a ddr 3200 I think this one runs 200 mhz by default. But Im not sure. Can someone help me please. |
| 19:22.50 | asg | sophie29: have you asked #hardware? |
| 19:23.03 | sophie29 | no |
| 19:23.05 | sophie29 | thanks for the link |
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| 19:23.16 | sophie29 | ah no one is there |
| 19:23.38 | xand | ##hardware |
| 19:23.55 | xand | two hashes... you should be diverted anyway |
| 19:24.11 | Ben_Cs | When i install Debian by net CD, should i let it install Defualt packages of Desktop, or tell the install to finish, and install gnome manually later on? |
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| 19:25.08 | NieXS | ben_cs: it doesn't matter, you'll have to download anyway |
| 19:25.27 | merc | asg: i found a very similar problem, although the bug report states upgrading to the version im running fixed it, not sure though looks funny because he says he's running a mixture of edgy/woody/random versions of packages |
| 19:26.06 | Ben_Cs | NieXS: it's just when i let it download the Desktop packages through overall installation, it loses the connection with the mirror in the midle |
| 19:26.24 | Ben_Cs | so ok, i'll install oll the other stuff later on |
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| 19:27.21 | merc | ok, found a bug report with the exact same problem |
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| 19:29.03 | asg | merc: edgy/woody/random is not likely to be useful if you are running etch. From my experience, I've not seen apache2 on etch fail during log rotation on the 30 or so servers I have. Is there any error in the logs that might be indicative of a problem? Do you get errors if you simple stop and start apache2? |
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| 19:30.41 | merc | http://pastebin.com/d71a2d1d0 <--that's what's happening, it looks like it tries to start again before the apache process is done shutting down/killing all children |
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| 19:31.21 | RockerMONO | hey mystic_pinguin |
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| 19:31.24 | merc | people have suggested increasing the sleep command in the restart script from 10 to 15, giving it more time, but..meh, i guess i should try that before changing it to 'reload' becuase there's reports of problems with that as well. |
| 19:31.35 | mystic_pinguin | RockerMONO hello |
| 19:31.44 | RockerMONO | what's up> |
| 19:31.45 | RockerMONO | ? |
| 19:31.47 | asg | merc: did you try setting a ServerName foo.bar.baz in the main config? |
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| 19:32.30 | merc | i set that to website.com ? |
| 19:33.21 | asg | merc: or whatever the main machine name is. |
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| 19:34.13 | taime1 | if i download source in synaptic, where does it save? |
| 19:35.16 | amphi | taime1: no idea about synaptic - apt-get source puts in in CWD |
| 19:35.36 | taime1 | whats cwd? |
| 19:35.36 | asg | taime1: use find(1) to look for it. |
| 19:35.44 | asg | taime1: CWD == current working directory |
| 19:35.46 | taime1 | oh yeah, locate should work ha? |
| 19:36.32 | asg | taime1: locate would only work if the file's location is in the locatedb. Chances are that it isn't so find(1) is usefull. |
| 19:36.47 | taime1 | thanks |
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| 19:38.45 | merc | ok, setting the servername stopped it from complaining about the FQDN, i bumped the sleep 10 to sleep 15, i guess we shall see. |
| 19:38.53 | mystic_pinguin | RockerMONO :) |
| 19:39.08 | merc | maybe the FQDN stuff was slowing it down to the point where sleeping for 10 seconds wasnt enough.. |
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| 19:39.16 | RockerMONO | mystic_pinguin: yes? =] |
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| 19:39.31 | asg | merc: or causing it to enter a more acute error state. |
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| 19:39.54 | merc | we shall see, i gues |
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| 19:44.39 | Ben_Cs | when i use aptitude and want to install Gnome it says it doesn't want to install Gnome, and that it wants to keep existing packages. WHY?! could it be that aptitude doesn't look for packages in the internet repositories? |
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| 19:45.37 | jakub_ | hi |
| 19:45.38 | jakub_ | i have problem |
| 19:45.44 | jakub_ | i have card reader and flash card |
| 19:45.54 | jakub_ | i plug in into computer but it doesn`t do anything |
| 19:45.59 | jakub_ | dont mount it |
| 19:46.00 | jakub_ | :( |
| 19:46.01 | asg | jakub_: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 19:46.04 | Ben_Cs | please someone? i'm in the middle of install |
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| 19:46.12 | jakub_ | thx |
| 19:46.15 | toostrong_2851 | http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?uid=2851 |
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| 19:46.46 | asg | peterS: toostrong_2851 is the same spammer that abrotman alerted you to earlier. Just an FYI. |
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| 19:47.20 | palestino | hello, how can I add music,video, cdrom,etc... to any user?, I mean add it to his groups |
| 19:47.22 | peterS | asg: indeed ... but it's hard to do much to a hit-n-run like that |
| 19:47.29 | asg | peterS: *nod* |
| 19:47.31 | Ben_Cs | maybe the repositories are not set? |
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| 19:48.20 | NieXS | palestino: if you have KDE, go to system -> KUser |
| 19:48.28 | NieXS | or edit /etc/groups |
| 19:48.49 | palestino | NieXS, fluxbox :-) |
| 19:49.04 | asg | palestino: adduser <user> <group> |
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| 19:49.57 | asg | palestino: if you want this to happen automatically when you create a user with adduser, the manpage mentions and 'adduser.local' script you can create to do any extra customization. |
| 19:50.36 | NieXS | palestino: then edit /etc/group and after the last colon of every group you want to add, add your username |
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| 19:50.55 | NieXS | like 'cdrom:x:24:yourusername' |
| 19:51.34 | peterS | NieXS: easier just to say 'adduser yourusername cdrom' |
| 19:51.48 | Ben_Cs | where can i find the official list of debian repositories? |
| 19:52.02 | xand | NieXS: that's not the way to do it, use adduser or gpasswd :) |
| 19:52.25 | peterS | Ben_Cs: http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 19:52.35 | asg | at least use vigr(8) if you are going to edit /etc/group by hand |
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| 19:53.44 | Ben_Cs | peterS: i mean something like : deb ......../etch stable..... |
| 19:53.51 | palestino | asg, NieXS |
| 19:53.55 | Ben_Cs | like in the sources.list file should have |
| 19:53.58 | palestino | thank u very much |
| 19:54.04 | asg | palestino: you're welcome |
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| 19:54.20 | peterS | Ben_Cs: there is a link you can click from the page I mentioned, that gives you an actual list of ftp/http sites. you can use any of those site addresses in your sources.list, same format as what you have in there now |
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| 19:55.36 | peterS | Ben_Cs: if you are unsure of the format, see http://p12n.org/tmp/sources.list.etch |
| 19:57.17 | Ben_Cs | peterS: when i used ubuntu i had sites to give me the list of repositories in the right format. no such thing in debian? |
| 19:57.33 | techbie | Ben_CS:/msg dpkg sources.list |
| 19:57.35 | peterS | Ben_Cs: we don't specialise in silver platters |
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| 19:57.57 | Ben_Cs | but just this once? |
| 19:58.20 | peterS | Ben_Cs: I won't give you more than I already gave you, which should have been plenty |
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| 19:58.41 | Ben_Cs | ok thanks |
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| 19:59.32 | peterS | anyone who can't take my example sources.list and substitute a different mirror from http://www.debian.org/mirrors/list shouldn't be running debian. seriously. go back to ubuntu. |
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| 20:01.30 | Ben_Cs | no. i got it. with all the windows open didn't see the example |
| 20:01.41 | RobNyc | it doesnt seem to me that theres any nvidia-glx on repository for my nvidia geforce 7950gt |
| 20:02.01 | Ben_Cs | BTW does etch have Universe and Multiverse repositories or something? |
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| 20:02.37 | peterS | no |
| 20:02.37 | krazykit | Ben_Cs, contrib and non-free. ubuntu just has dumb names for them |
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| 20:02.47 | peterS | krazykit: that's not what universe and multiverse mean |
| 20:02.56 | aFlag` | does the current debian support wireless for a net-install? |
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| 20:03.15 | krazykit | peterS, no? i thought they were for all the less-than-free liscensed stuff and such |
| 20:03.17 | Wyzard | RobNyc: nVidia drivers are in non-free |
| 20:03.34 | Ben_Cs | i see |
| 20:03.35 | streuner | aFlag: /msg dpkg ig |
| 20:03.48 | peterS | krazykit: no, universe is for less-than-supported stuff, since canonical isn't big enough to support something the size of debian. multiverse is ... I forget ... unofficial architectures? |
| 20:04.13 | Wyzard | I think multiverse is non-free |
| 20:04.23 | Wyzard | and universe is free but non-Canonical-supported |
| 20:04.25 | Wyzard | though I could be wrong |
| 20:04.32 | peterS | well, they have non-free stuff on their main CD too though |
| 20:05.15 | RobNyc | Wyzard, i have non-free but i only get results for legacy |
| 20:05.53 | streuner | peterS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28Linux_distribution%29#Package_classification_and_support |
| 20:05.58 | Wyzard | RobNyc: It's apparently been removed from testing... grab the version from either stable or unstable |
| 20:06.20 | RobNyc | Wyzard, ah :) |
| 20:06.25 | RobNyc | Wyzard, or maybe the online installer ? |
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| 20:06.35 | Wyzard | streuner: ah... so the non-free stuff on the CD is in "restricted" |
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| 20:07.30 | Wyzard | RobNyc: If by "online installer" you mean nVidia's installer thing, no, don't use that |
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| 20:08.31 | Wyzard | RobNyc: That lacks the Debian-specific integration work that's been done for the packages, such as not screwing up your OpenGL setup so it'll break when Mesa gets upgraded |
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| 20:15.04 | peterius | hi, quick question: where do I get gtk-config if not from gtk+ source? |
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| 20:15.53 | Wyzard | peterius: GTK 2.x uses pkg-config, I believe |
| 20:15.58 | Wyzard | peterius: gtk-config was part of GTK 1.x |
| 20:16.06 | peterius | that's what I've heard |
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| 20:16.14 | peterius | but I need gtk-config for gnome-libs |
| 20:16.56 | Wyzard | There's no "gnome-libs" package |
| 20:16.59 | peterius | should I install the older gtk? |
| 20:17.05 | Wyzard | There's a "gnome-libs-data" whose version is 1.4.2 |
| 20:17.06 | peterius | I don't really like packages |
| 20:17.12 | Wyzard | which probably means it was part of GNOME 1.4 |
| 20:17.14 | Wyzard | i.e. ancient |
| 20:17.17 | peterius | I'm trying to compile the source for gnome |
| 20:17.25 | RobNyc | Wyzard, ah thanks |
| 20:17.30 | Wyzard | You're trying to compile the source of a very old version of GNOME |
| 20:17.32 | valdyn | peterius: why are you running debian if you dont like packages? |
| 20:17.36 | peterius | ah, I see |
| 20:17.53 | peterius | because the configuration is what I'm used to |
| 20:18.12 | corran | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:18.26 | peterius | what's the current stable gnome version? |
| 20:18.41 | asg | !info gnome etch |
| 20:18.43 | Wyzard | 2.18 |
| 20:18.45 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.14.3.6 (etch), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
| 20:19.02 | xand | peterius: 2.14 |
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| 20:19.07 | streuner | !info gnome-session stable |
| 20:19.09 | dpkg | gnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.14.3-5 (etch), Packaged size: 499 kB, Installed size: 2372 kB |
| 20:19.11 | Wyzard | You know, packages are the main reason why Linux distributions exist :-) |
| 20:19.13 | peterius | well that's weird, I'm not sure how I got here but some piece of gnome source wanted gnome libs and the version on the site was 1.4.2 |
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| 20:19.29 | Wyzard | Maybe it's an old program that hasn't been updated in years |
| 20:19.30 | ccvp | Activ on, ultra strength joint and muslc,e activ on, safe and effective pain relief, in stores now. HEAD ON _ APPLIED DIRECTLY TO THE FOREHEAD? DO YOU have embarasing scars? PREFER ON, applied directly to the scar. |
| 20:19.47 | peterius | yeah I guess I do know that... I just don't like the idea of packages, I like the idea of compiling things from source for the machine I'm on |
| 20:20.11 | asg | ccvp: please go and stick your head in an oven, there's a good lad |
| 20:20.11 | valdyn | peterius: you shouldnt run debian. You cant expect us to support that approach. |
| 20:20.21 | Wyzard | peterius: The thing is, there's a lot more to building a working system than just compiling things... distributions like Debian do a lot of integration work to make everything fit together and keep it maintainable |
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| 20:20.41 | sylvanthis | gentoo is great |
| 20:20.50 | Wyzard | peterius: If you compile everything from source you have to do all that integration work yourself instead |
| 20:20.53 | sylvanthis | if you want to compile that is |
| 20:20.55 | xand | debian is far greater than gentoo |
| 20:20.56 | peterius | I don't expect anyone to support anything, I was just hoping for some expertise, which you have given me |
| 20:21.01 | xand | !greenhouse |
| 20:21.02 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. See also <diminishing returns on bogomips>. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 20:21.10 | sylvanthis | xand matter of preference |
| 20:21.20 | asg | sylvanthis: then feel free to take your preference to #gentoo |
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| 20:21.38 | xand | <diminishing returns on bogomips> sums gentoo up |
| 20:21.40 | shogunx | that is a valid point on the burning cpu cycles |
| 20:21.50 | sylvanthis | geez being aggresive are we, he was talking about COMPILING FROM SOURCE, so i told him gentoo is great FOR THAT PURPOSE |
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| 20:21.58 | xand | I'm not being agressive |
| 20:22.03 | sylvanthis | i'm not here to start a flame war |
| 20:22.09 | asg | xand: "You are Rick, I can sense it" |
| 20:22.09 | sylvanthis | asg is though |
| 20:22.11 | shogunx | !start a distro war |
| 20:22.12 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 20:22.17 | peterius | the thing that bothers me, incidentally, about packages is that if you do end up needing to compile something from source, perhaps something that requires some other particular version of some other library, then one is kind of lost... |
| 20:22.33 | valdyn | peterius: not at all |
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| 20:22.46 | Wyzard | peterS: That's true, but it's fairly rare (in my experience) to need to install something that isn't packaged... Debian is pretty big |
| 20:22.47 | peterius | if its not supported by the packages, then it seems like its harder to get things working |
| 20:22.49 | asg | sylvanthis: that wasn't aggressive, that was a suggestion. Calling you a fuckstick would have been aggressive. |
| 20:22.55 | Wyzard | oops, peterius ^^^ |
| 20:23.29 | Wyzard | peterius: Anyway, Debian provides "-dev" packages for libraries, which contain the headers needed to build against that library |
| 20:23.39 | peterS | peterius: that "problem" isn't specific to packages. if you didn't have packages available you would have to do just as much work |
| 20:23.42 | Wyzard | peterius: so to compile something from source you'd just install the -dev packages for whatever libraries you need, and then build away |
| 20:23.55 | peterius | I don't even remember what broke my system, it was months ago... there was something that needed another version of glib than was available through packages |
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| 20:24.06 | sylvanthis | asg: it's was a suggestion to leave, so i take it as such, no harsh words are needed sometimes |
| 20:24.42 | Wyzard | peterius: It needed a newer version? Or an older version? |
| 20:24.47 | DevilChaos | hey can anyone remeber a few years ago a theme in kde with a background that looks like one of the terminator robots in it ? |
| 20:24.48 | peterius | the package management system doesn't like my kernel either I don't think, |
| 20:24.54 | peterius | I don't remember |
| 20:24.56 | peterius | it was a while ago |
| 20:25.08 | peterius | somehow something related to gnome or gtk is broken and I can't seem to fix it |
| 20:25.28 | DevilChaos | i think its teesh and want i back as my background if i can get the name it would be half the battle than trawling kde look |
| 20:25.54 | Wyzard | peterius: If you compiled a different version of glib and overwrote the files installed by the package, that'd certainly break things, though if you installed it in /usr/local (which is configure's default) then you can just remove the files |
| 20:26.14 | peterius | I think it was a newer version though |
| 20:26.23 | peterius | not certain, but I think |
| 20:26.28 | peterius | could that still break things somehow? |
| 20:26.50 | Wyzard | peterius: Possibly, though less likely, since glib generally preserves backward compatibility |
| 20:27.04 | RobNyc | Wyzard, so i'm using testing .. but how do i get the nvidia things from stable or unstable like you said earlier |
| 20:27.27 | NieXS | it's from non-free |
| 20:27.29 | peterius | everything takes so long |
| 20:27.34 | Wyzard | RobNyc: Look them up on http://packages.debian.org/ and download the .deb files that way... that's the simplest way for just a few packages |
| 20:27.52 | RobNyc | NieXS, i have non-free enabled :) |
| 20:28.41 | Wyzard | peterius: A stable release of a distro generally doesn't have the latest version of everything, since there's a period of testing (to make sure it's actually stable) prior to releasing |
| 20:28.59 | peterius | yeah I know |
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| 20:29.06 | peterius | its certainly my own fault |
| 20:29.09 | peterius | well here's a question |
| 20:29.17 | Wyzard | peterius: Some distros have short release cycles and focus on having the latest software... Debian isn't one of them |
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| 20:29.26 | RobNyc | Wyzard, thanks |
| 20:30.22 | peterius | among many issues is one particular program which I would use more often but it comes up with a non-fatal "Gtk-CRITICAL" error saying GTK_IS_TOOLBAR failed... and there's a large black window behind the program, that can't be closed or anything... I think its trying to create a widget and failing and instead creating a giant black window, do you know what would cause this? |
| 20:30.36 | peterius | like is it a bad version of gtk or some other library? |
| 20:30.49 | pipeline | That could be almost anything, peterius. |
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| 20:31.05 | pipeline | Most likely, the author relied on some pathological behaviour of a previous version of GTK, which no longer plays nice. |
| 20:31.32 | peterius | well where are the calls related to "GTK_IS_TOOLBAR" located, are they in gtk+ libraries? do you know if those are dependent on pango or anything else? |
| 20:31.46 | peterius | I guess I should try to look myself |
| 20:31.57 | Wyzard | GTK_IS_TOOLBAR is a macro provided by GTK, and used by both applications and by GTK itself |
| 20:32.10 | Wyzard | It's for checking whether a given widget (which already exists) is a toolbar or not |
| 20:32.13 | peterius | right, but is it dependent on any other libraries besides GTK? |
| 20:32.19 | Wyzard | no |
| 20:32.27 | peterius | are toolbar widgets new? |
| 20:32.32 | Wyzard | no |
| 20:32.48 | Wyzard | but toolbars work in other programs so the bug is probably in the application, not in GTK |
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| 20:32.52 | peterius | this particular program was probably written for a much older version of gtk |
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| 20:33.03 | Wyzard | It passed nonsense to some function that expected a toolbar widget, so you get that warning |
| 20:33.23 | peterius | the problem is I have very similar errors in pretty much every gtk based program |
| 20:33.31 | peterius | so I'm hesitant to believe its due to the programs |
| 20:33.32 | Ben_Cs | is Automatix ok? |
| 20:33.34 | Wyzard | That's certainly not normal |
| 20:34.03 | peterius | its some conflict that probably comes down to a single library somewhere, I just don't know which |
| 20:34.09 | Wyzard | If everything using GTK on your system is broken, I'd say you probably have a broken installation due to manually compiling stuff outside the package system |
| 20:34.14 | peterius | I don't know how this could occur |
| 20:34.16 | peterius | yeah |
| 20:34.28 | peterius | its heartbreaking that installing software could break the old |
| 20:34.29 | Wyzard | The package system *avoids* incompatible versions of things with its dependency system |
| 20:35.09 | aFlag | how do I find out in what cd is a certain package? |
| 20:35.13 | Wyzard | If program version A doesn't work with library version B then it won't *let* you install both at the same time |
| 20:35.29 | Wyzard | rather than having both installed but just misbehave in strange ways |
| 20:35.49 | Wyzard | so for "how this could occur" I'd point to custom-compiled software |
| 20:35.53 | streuner | !cd contents |
| 20:35.53 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 20:35.55 | Wyzard | since I've never had that happen on any of my systems |
| 20:36.10 | peterius | I know, I'm just annoyed... it seems like its not difficult to write backwards compatible libraries and authors of software should check with the handful of updates to libraries |
| 20:36.14 | peterius | oh its obviously custom compiled content |
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| 20:36.41 | Wyzard | "seems like its not difficult to write backwards compatible libraries"... how much library development have you actually done? :-P |
| 20:36.50 | peterius | nothing on a large scale |
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| 20:37.20 | ikr1sse | i am in search for drivers to the attansic l1 gigabit integrated network card, but i'm having some problems, i'm pretty lost in the linux world |
| 20:37.24 | ikr1sse | anyone got overall tips? |
| 20:37.24 | peterius | but its not that difficult... if something is deprecated, leave it in for a few versions unless it breaks something else, in either event mention somewhere in the API docs that its deprecated, perhaps have configure options to compile it in or out |
| 20:37.30 | Wyzard | Maintaining backward compatibility means you must not change the parameters of any API function, or the size or layout of any data structure in the API |
| 20:37.47 | Wyzard | That can be a pretty significant technical challenge, when you're trying to add new functionality |
| 20:37.52 | peterius | but these errors are different |
| 20:38.02 | peterius | if you change the arguments to a function, the programs that use them will crash |
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| 20:38.14 | peterius | instead I have thesehalf errors |
| 20:38.14 | Wyzard | not necessarily |
| 20:38.26 | Wyzard | You get undefined behavior |
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| 20:38.39 | peterius | but this is like a single library somewhere... |
| 20:38.43 | Wyzard | which *can* mean a crash, or can mean continuing to run in an inconsistent state with garbage data |
| 20:38.49 | peterius | everything uses the proper libraries or claims to |
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| 20:39.22 | Wyzard | My advice would be, don't custom-compile anything that has packages available unless you *really* know exactly what you're doing and you understand all the compatibility implications |
| 20:39.29 | peterius | I had to |
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| 20:39.51 | Wyzard | If you need a newer version of something like glib, you can grab it from unstable, or use a different distro that's more current (such as Ubuntu or Gentoo) |
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| 20:40.21 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
| 20:40.55 | peterius | what would I do without computers to suck my time away |
| 20:41.07 | peterius | well thanks for the advice, see you around |
| 20:41.18 | teksimian | something useful? |
| 20:41.21 | lithophyte | peterius: get laid? |
| 20:41.24 | teksimian | no no, wait, something fun? |
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| 20:41.43 | peterius | right, except computers have also stolen my social skills and anything useful I could contribute to society |
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| 20:42.02 | teksimian | well, exactly. :) |
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| 20:43.33 | gigabytes | hello everybody I need some help |
| 20:43.33 | lithophyte | yea my social skills suck too I'd /cry without my computer |
| 20:43.33 | lithophyte | but I'm not giving up learning social skills |
| 20:43.33 | gigabytes | how can I tell apt to not show me any debconf question during the installation? |
| 20:43.50 | petemc | gigabytes: preseeding |
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| 20:44.03 | gigabytes | petemc: hm, more precisely? |
| 20:44.10 | petemc | !preseed |
| 20:44.10 | dpkg | i heard preseed is a method of doing a remote network installation, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
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| 20:44.51 | |_NiGhTmArE_| | buonasera |
| 20:45.36 | gigabytes | petemc: I mean the installation of a package not the installation of the system |
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| 20:51.16 | Ben_Cs | in : deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian etch main , can i write instead of "main" unstable or non-free, and it'll be right? |
| 20:51.22 | zophy | i hope i survive a reboot |
| 20:51.31 | Wyzard | Ben_Cs: In addition to, not instead |
| 20:51.37 | Wyzard | Ben_Cs: Write "main contrib non-free" |
| 20:51.45 | js_ | Ben_Cs: unstable instead of etch |
| 20:51.52 | Wyzard | Ben_Cs: "unstable" would go in place of "etch", but don't do that unless you know what you're doing |
| 20:51.57 | Ben_Cs | i see |
| 20:51.58 | Ben_Cs | thanks |
| 20:53.28 | gigabytes | petemc: is that method suitable only if I have to install the system? can I use a preseed file outside the debian installer, just before to install a package? |
| 20:53.38 | petemc | gigabytes: yes |
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| 20:53.59 | gigabytes | how can I use it before to install a package? |
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| 20:56.43 | lightning | how do i get to the open dialog of mplayer? |
| 20:56.58 | lightning | in icewm mplayer has no gui skin |
| 20:57.14 | Wyzard | lightning: "gmplayer" is the GUI |
| 20:57.21 | Wyzard | lightning: mplayer expects filenames on the command line |
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| 20:57.53 | lightning | that's wild that it has no open dialog |
| 20:58.05 | lightning | in gnome, launching mplayer must launch gmplayer |
| 20:58.30 | makkalot | Hi all i need to know how it is done the signing and verification of deb packages,i want to develop something similar based on public key infrastructure for another linux distribution,can someone point me a documentation or the software that does that job in debian? |
| 20:59.10 | Wyzard | lightning: What do you see when you run it, then? |
| 20:59.16 | lightning | i guess it's just a weird feeling for me to open movies through the command line |
| 20:59.31 | lightning | Wyzard: if i run just mplayer nothing happens |
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| 21:00.23 | lightning | but if i run mplayer movie.mpg, the movie will open |
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| 21:04.11 | RockerMONO | how do i fix a corrupt hd? i just need to get a fat32 fs on it |
| 21:04.20 | nvz | haha |
| 21:04.23 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: Corrupt in what way? |
| 21:04.30 | nvz | Wyzard: it has fat32 on it.. |
| 21:04.30 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: If it's physically defective, like bad sectors, you can't fix it |
| 21:04.32 | nvz | heh |
| 21:04.45 | RockerMONO | Wyzard: i believe just corrupt files and such |
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| 21:05.10 | RockerMONO | Wyzard: not positive though, i got it for free and it's 12 years old so no idea... but the other hd in the same computer held up nicely |
| 21:05.17 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: If the filesystem is corrupted but the disk itself is OK, you may be able to fix it by running dosfsck |
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| 21:05.20 | nvz | corrupt and fat32 in the same sentance is redundant |
| 21:05.27 | TiMiDo | hey how do you stop from gnome to start up at boot? |
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| 21:05.35 | TiMiDo | is annoying |
| 21:05.39 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: but if it's that old, there's a good chance that physical problems on the disk surface are the reason for the corrupted files |
| 21:05.41 | nvz | TiMiDo: update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 21:05.50 | RockerMONO | Wyzard: yea it says bad filesystem but it does show up |
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| 21:06.04 | Wyzard | TiMiDo: If you mean GDM, the graphical login screen, uninstall it if you don't want it |
| 21:06.04 | TiMiDo | thanks |
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| 21:06.33 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: I'd mount it read-only and copy as may files off it as possible |
| 21:06.46 | Wyzard | *many |
| 21:07.04 | RockerMONO | Wyzard: i dont need any files and the entire filesystem is corrupt - but the computer knows it's there |
| 21:07.23 | RockerMONO | it's from an old windows 95 box =p |
| 21:07.25 | Wyzard | oh, OK, you're not trying to recover anything |
| 21:07.29 | RockerMONO | nope |
| 21:07.34 | RockerMONO | just tryin to get it usable |
| 21:07.54 | Wyzard | You could re-use it by just partitioning it and making a filesystem on it, but you have to ask yourself why the current contents are corrupted |
| 21:08.04 | Wyzard | Considering how old it is, the disk is probably going bad and *shouldn't* be re-used |
| 21:08.26 | RockerMONO | Wyzard: it could also have something to do with the fact that it had windows 95 on it and was online at one point |
| 21:08.37 | Wyzard | Run a bad-sector scan on it -- using the manufacturer's diagnostic tool if possible (look on the manufacturer's website), or the "badblocks" program otherwise |
| 21:08.52 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: That wouldn't be a likely cause of corrupted files |
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| 21:09.10 | Wyzard | malware would cause Windows to misbehave, but it generally wouldn't corrupt the filesystem |
| 21:09.13 | RockerMONO | Wyzard: have you ever put a windows 95 box online then ran a virus scan 2 days later? =p |
| 21:09.30 | unlink | what's the recommended way of configuring firewalls these days? |
| 21:09.32 | Wyzard | files containing viruses != filesystem corruption |
| 21:09.47 | RockerMONO | Wyzard: ok ok calm down lol |
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| 21:09.47 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
| 21:11.08 | RockerMONO | AHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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| 21:11.14 | RockerMONO | iceweasel died :( |
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| 21:11.49 | palestinian | i lost my sound |
| 21:11.49 | RockerMONO | Wyzard: i just learned something...... lol |
| 21:12.00 | RockerMONO | using iceweasel for a long time w/ a flash page open is a bad idea |
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| 21:12.07 | RockerMONO | palestinian: you went deaf? [kidding] |
| 21:12.21 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: Yeah, Flash for Linux isn't the most well-written software in the world |
| 21:12.25 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: though it's better than it used to be |
| 21:12.33 | RockerMONO | Wyzard: yea, but still got a few issues =p |
| 21:12.39 | palestinian | how can I recover it? |
| 21:12.46 | RockerMONO | palestinian: what happened to it? |
| 21:13.07 | rking | Hi folks, i'm running lenny/sid, and my name's rking. <folks> hi rking! <rking again> thanks for the warm welcome. i just did my ~monthly apt-get upgrade, and i lost a cool feature of vim's ruby mode, where it matched the {begin,do,if,etc.}/end keywords when i did % just like it matches [({})]'s. any clues? |
| 21:13.10 | palestinian | RockerMONO, i dont know |
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| 21:13.18 | RockerMONO | palestinian: did you ever have sound on it? |
| 21:13.25 | palestinian | RockerMONO, yes |
| 21:13.28 | RockerMONO | hm |
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| 21:13.34 | palestinian | im sure if I re?boot it should work,no |
| 21:13.42 | RockerMONO | maybe |
| 21:13.42 | palestinian | because I didnt change anything,just installed fluxbox |
| 21:13.43 | RockerMONO | gr |
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| 21:14.08 | TiMiDo | !info aterm sid |
| 21:14.09 | RockerMONO | whyyyyyyyy doesn't iceweasel close completely when i do xkill |
| 21:14.10 | dpkg | aterm: (Afterstep XVT - a VT102 emulator for the X window system), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.0-5 (sid), Packaged size: 80 kB, Installed size: 224 kB |
| 21:14.51 | Erik__ | I put in a wireless card in my Etch machine, A Blekin, with BCM43xx chipset. This site says that the driver would be included in kernel 2.6.17-rc2. I have a newer kernel. The system now only sees an eth0, not yet an eth1.... How do I make the system find the extra interface ? |
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| 21:15.07 | juan_ | any guide ons installing pcmcia cardbus wg511t on debian etch? its based on madwifi, but dmesg just says pccard: CardBus card inserted into slot 0 |
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| 21:15.20 | Kevin` | Erik__ did you install the firmware the driver needs? |
| 21:15.36 | Kevin` | Erik__ and why did you choose broadcom, or did you have the card before you knew about support for it |
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| 21:16.28 | Erik__ | Kevin: already had it....firmware ? I need to fiddle with the CARD ???? |
| 21:17.07 | Kevin` | Erik__ surely if you look in dmesg you notice it complaining it couldn't load the firmware? |
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| 21:17.30 | Kevin` | Erik__ also, how do you know your kernel has the driver included, did you build it yourself? install the module from repo? |
| 21:17.45 | _DunK__ | quick question - which program do I use to change my network configuraqtion permenently? |
| 21:17.51 | Erik__ | Kevin` : kernel is etch out of the box.... |
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| 21:18.09 | Kevin` | Erik__ I think that includes the driver, you just need to get the firmware |
| 21:18.20 | palestino | I restarted but still not sound |
| 21:18.31 | Wyzard | Kevin`: madwifi isn't in the standard kernel... |
| 21:18.41 | Erik__ | Kevin` : gonna chack all that. thnx |
| 21:18.44 | palestino | someone can help me?, I lost my sound in Linux |
| 21:18.50 | Kevin` | Wyzard madwifi isn't a broadcom driver, and doesn't need firmware.. |
| 21:19.13 | Wyzard | Kevin`: oops, I confused Erik__'s question with juan_'s, sorry |
| 21:19.40 | unlink | is it common to manually write iptables scripts? |
| 21:19.48 | Kevin` | unlink I hope so. |
| 21:20.01 | unlink | Kevin`: as opposed to using tools to generate them |
| 21:20.03 | Kevin` | you get the best control taht way |
| 21:20.11 | Wyzard | unlink: For advanced purposes, yes, but typically you should use a firewall package such as FireHOL or Shorewall |
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| 21:20.17 | unlink | Kevin`: yeah but it seems like a collosal waste of time |
| 21:20.35 | Kevin` | unlink if it's a waste of time for you, then don't. it's really one rule per function, usually |
| 21:20.43 | RockerMONO | hm...anyone know why an old sound card would have a plug like that on the back of a hard drive? |
| 21:20.49 | Kevin` | if you just use your firewall for simple all-out no-in filtering, then sure |
| 21:20.58 | unlink | Kevin`: not for my application |
| 21:21.00 | _DunK__ | ifconfig resets after a reboot, anf I don't want to hack about in the init files directly - I am sure that there will be some sort of utility for it |
| 21:21.02 | nn-on-bluetooth | hi |
| 21:21.06 | nn-on-bluetooth | !moo |
| 21:21.06 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 21:21.10 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: Old sound cards often had onboard SCSI (or at least a subset of SCSI) for use by CD-ROM drives |
| 21:21.11 | unlink | Kevin`: for simple stuff like that, yeah it's just 3 lines |
| 21:21.23 | Kevin` | unlink what's your application |
| 21:21.31 | RockerMONO | nn-on-bluetooth: hm? lol |
| 21:21.50 | RockerMONO | nn-on-bluetooth: what's apt-get moo do? |
| 21:21.50 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: I think that was before ATAPI was invented, so there was no such thing as an IDE CD-ROM drive |
| 21:21.55 | unlink | Kevin`: NAT |
| 21:22.07 | Kevin` | unlink simple nat is also one rule, explain :) |
| 21:22.13 | nn-on-bluetooth | RockerMONO, puts out a text image of a cow |
| 21:22.17 | RockerMONO | Wyzard: but it was never hooked up ;) |
| 21:22.22 | RockerMONO | nn-on-bluetooth: cool |
| 21:22.23 | nn-on-bluetooth | RockerMONO, :) |
| 21:22.25 | RockerMONO | :) |
| 21:22.28 | Wyzard | unlink: apt-cache show firehol |
| 21:22.29 | unlink | Kevin`: nah it's at least 5 |
| 21:22.40 | RockerMONO | lmao! |
| 21:22.40 | Kevin` | -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.182.0/255.255.255.0 -d ! 192.168.182.0/255.255.255.0 -o wan -j MASQUERADE |
| 21:22.42 | RockerMONO | nn-on-bluetooth: duuude awesome |
| 21:22.46 | nn-on-bluetooth | RockerMONO, somthing random the programmers put in |
| 21:22.55 | RockerMONO | sweet :) |
| 21:23.08 | Kevin` | and most people wouldn't even need the odd conditions I added to that.. |
| 21:23.24 | RockerMONO | how can i check the filesystem of a drive? |
| 21:23.26 | nn-on-bluetooth | Kevin`, working with iptables? |
| 21:23.32 | unlink | Wyzard: hmm, thanks |
| 21:23.34 | Wyzard | Kevin`: or simply the "masquerade" keyword in firehol syntax, which generates that rule :-) |
| 21:23.50 | nn-on-bluetooth | Kevin`, i had to do that to setup bluetooth internet |
| 21:23.58 | Kevin` | unlink I still want to know why you think you need so many rules, perhaps an example? :) |
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| 21:24.09 | unlink | iptables -P INPUT DROP |
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| 21:24.22 | Wyzard | Manual iptables scripts are more flexible, but firewall packages make your configuration much more succinct and maintainable... use the latter unless you actually *need* the former |
| 21:24.45 | Kevin` | most of those generator scripts make very messy rules |
| 21:25.06 | unlink | Kevin`: just like how most compilers make very messy assembly? |
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| 21:25.26 | Kevin` | unlink .. no, not really :) |
| 21:25.49 | Kevin` | you seem intent on using a script, so do so if you want.. |
| 21:25.51 | RockerMONO | how can i check the filesystem of a hard drive? |
| 21:25.52 | Kevin` | I just don't recommend it |
| 21:25.56 | nn-on-bluetooth | Kevin`, i have an example should work i used it in gentoo which usually meens compleet kernel recompile luckly debian is not so hard :) |
| 21:26.04 | Kevin` | RockerMONO file -s partition |
| 21:26.14 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: it's a drive that's unable to mount |
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| 21:26.22 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: sorry bout not mentioning that |
| 21:26.33 | RockerMONO | oh |
| 21:26.34 | RockerMONO | it worked |
| 21:26.35 | RockerMONO | hmm |
| 21:26.39 | nn-on-bluetooth | lol |
| 21:26.43 | RockerMONO | OH! |
| 21:26.44 | RockerMONO | woops |
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| 21:26.46 | Kevin` | RockerMONO what partitions and types does it have? |
| 21:26.47 | RockerMONO | i did it on the wrong drive >.> |
| 21:26.52 | nn-on-bluetooth | lol |
| 21:26.53 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: idk... it was corrupt when i got it |
| 21:27.03 | RockerMONO | O.o |
| 21:27.03 | nn-on-bluetooth | outch |
| 21:27.05 | RockerMONO | ohhh |
| 21:27.05 | Kevin` | RockerMONO "corrupt" doesnt' say much |
| 21:27.06 | RockerMONO | my bad |
| 21:27.08 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: Your goal is to create a new filesystem, not to check the existing one |
| 21:27.14 | Kevin` | RockerMONO fdisk -l /dev/disk |
| 21:27.17 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: but first you want to scan the drive for bad sectors |
| 21:27.26 | embrik | I want to ssh to a host with ip= 193.216.128.238. I always forget this ip, so I put it in a file called hedda, because that's the owner of the machine. What do I wirite to ssh the computer, using the file hedda? cat hedda|ssh root@ |
| 21:27.29 | embrik | ? |
| 21:27.32 | Kevin` | RockerMONO do you want to create a new fs and erase all data on the drive? |
| 21:27.36 | Wyzard | Kevin`: It's a 12-year-old drive that used to contain Windows 95, and now it's "corrupted" |
| 21:27.52 | Erik__ | Kevin` : about that Belkin wireless thing: in dmesg I find some references. Among other: |
| 21:27.53 | Erik__ | bcm43xx cores 5, some stuff enabled, some disabled, PHY connected, Radio turned off, but nothing about firmware... |
| 21:27.54 | Wyzard | Kevin`: He wants to re-use the drive, but I suspect the corruption is due to bad sectors since the drive is so old |
| 21:28.00 | arcil | can you recommend me a good image viewer under debian comparable to irfan view? |
| 21:28.10 | streuner | gqview |
| 21:28.11 | Kevin` | embrik why not put it in /etc/hosts |
| 21:28.20 | RockerMONO | shit |
| 21:28.24 | embrik | arcil: gwenview or kuikshow? |
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| 21:28.34 | nn-on-bluetooth | RockerMONO, if i rember corectally you probally want to do this to recreat a partition after you run fdisk from keven roun this: |
| 21:28.35 | ricky | embrik: ssh root@`cat hedda` (or just add a line to /etc/hosts) |
| 21:28.39 | Kevin` | RockerMONO have you run a SMART test on the drive? (using smartctl) |
| 21:29.02 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: no... i just tried "fdisk -l /dev/sdb" and got "Disk /dev/sdb doesn't contain a valid partition table" |
| 21:29.04 | embrik | ricky: can I add a line to etc/host? Great! |
| 21:29.17 | Kevin` | RockerMONO run a smart test on the drive |
| 21:29.25 | Kevin` | Wyzard it existed before win 95 I think. should work. |
| 21:29.51 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: erm...i'm pretty much a total noob at this kinda stuff... how do i run a smart test on it? >.> |
| 21:29.54 | Kevin` | of course, nobody ever used it then, and never used it now, but it was always there for people to check if they wanted =p |
| 21:30.26 | Wyzard | Well, it'd be preferable over badblocks if it does indeed support SMART |
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| 21:30.49 | Kevin` | RockerMONO do smartctl -a /dev/disk first, and see what it says, then do smartctl -t long /dev/disk and wait for that to finish, then check the first again |
| 21:31.05 | RockerMONO | k |
| 21:31.16 | Kevin` | I should do that on my drives now too, actually |
| 21:31.18 | Kevin` | been a while |
| 21:31.19 | nn-on-bluetooth | RockerMONO, mkfs.ext3 /dev/drive-seq then run e2fsck -c -k /dev/disk-seq to make shure you dont corrupt any thing |
| 21:31.39 | RockerMONO | nn-on-bluetooth: hm? |
| 21:31.39 | Kevin` | mke2fs -cc -j /dev/diskpartition |
| 21:31.40 | Kevin` | rather =p |
| 21:31.45 | Kevin` | but don't do that yet. |
| 21:31.53 | RockerMONO | smartctl - not found |
| 21:31.56 | RockerMONO | ... |
| 21:32.00 | Kevin` | RockerMONO install smartmontools |
| 21:32.14 | embrik | ricky: I added hedda to the /etc/hosts and wrote ssh root@hedda on the otehr computer. Didn't work. Did I misunderstand? |
| 21:32.33 | nn-on-bluetooth | RockerMONO, e2fsck -c -k will check for bad blocks and mark them after you do what keven just told you |
| 21:32.42 | RockerMONO | nn-on-bluetooth: k |
| 21:32.49 | nvz | embrik: no you apparently malformed the line in /etc/hosts |
| 21:32.56 | ricky | embrik: Add "193.216.128.238 hedda" |
| 21:33.05 | embrik | ricky: thanks a lot |
| 21:33.11 | RockerMONO | Device: WDC AC21 000H Version: 04.0 |
| 21:33.11 | RockerMONO | scsiModePageOffset: response length too short, resp_len=4 offset=4 bd_len=0 |
| 21:33.11 | RockerMONO | >> Terminate command early due to bad response to IEC mode page |
| 21:33.11 | RockerMONO | A mandatory SMART command failed: exiting. To continue, add one or more '-T permissive' options. |
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| 21:33.15 | nn-on-bluetooth | RockerMONO, oups e2fsck -c -k /dev/drive-seq |
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| 21:33.22 | nn-on-bluetooth | RockerMONO, oups e2fsck -c -k /dev/drive-seq |
| 21:33.26 | RockerMONO | gr wtf... it showed it as one line here! -_- |
| 21:33.33 | nn-on-bluetooth | lol |
| 21:33.43 | Kevin` | RockerMONO do cfdisk /dev/disk, and make a partition |
| 21:33.44 | nn-on-bluetooth | no flooding allowed |
| 21:33.50 | RockerMONO | nn-on-bluetooth: it showed it as one line here though |
| 21:33.54 | _DunK__ | wat |
| 21:33.55 | Kevin` | RockerMONO then do mke2fs -cc -j /dev/diskpartition |
| 21:33.58 | _DunK__ | sorry |
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| 21:34.25 | nn-on-bluetooth | although if you want to flud info join my irc filebin.info #test :) |
| 21:34.30 | Kevin` | RockerMONO you can try with -T permissive if you want, of course, but that's not a good sign |
| 21:34.31 | _DunK__ | what's the best way to configure my network card - is there a script somewhere or d oI just have to change stuff in /etc/... |
| 21:34.51 | streuner | RockerMONO: there are surely some CRs in that page... |
| 21:34.54 | Wyzard | _DunK__: /etc/network/interfaces; man interfaces |
| 21:35.05 | n3kl | How do I keep a pptp tunnel up all the time. About every week it dies and I have to manually start it. Is there something that I can add to interfaces or something? If so, what is it? |
| 21:35.06 | streuner | RockerMONO: just take care next time about |
| 21:35.07 | RockerMONO | Fat32 == W95 Fat32??? |
| 21:35.23 | embrik | RockerMONO: Yes |
| 21:35.25 | RockerMONO | k |
| 21:35.29 | Kevin` | RockerMONO Uh? why are you making it fat32 |
| 21:35.45 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: i need it accessable via both windows *and* Linux |
| 21:35.52 | Kevin` | RockerMONO make it fat32 lba |
| 21:35.56 | RockerMONO | lba? |
| 21:36.01 | Kevin` | just pick the option |
| 21:36.03 | Kevin` | it's there |
| 21:36.03 | streuner | !lba |
| 21:36.03 | dpkg | methinks lba is Logical Block Addressing. or good bios informations at http://usuarios.intercom.es/ag0ny/msxdev.html |
| 21:36.05 | nn-on-bluetooth | RockerMONO, make it ext3 and install a ext3 driver in windows!!!!!! |
| 21:36.26 | RockerMONO | nn-on-bluetooth: i tried the ext3 driver on windows and it crashed my freakin system each time i ran it |
| 21:36.32 | nn-on-bluetooth | RockerMONO, Ext3 surpases vfat by a tun |
| 21:36.40 | RockerMONO | hm |
| 21:36.41 | RockerMONO | wait |
| 21:36.42 | _DunK__ | Wyzard: thanks |
| 21:36.45 | nn-on-bluetooth | which one |
| 21:36.51 | RockerMONO | nn-on-bluetooth: no ideaa lol |
| 21:36.56 | RockerMONO | nn-on-bluetooth: i'm on Linux now =p |
| 21:37.03 | nn-on-bluetooth | that not god |
| 21:37.05 | RockerMONO | ? |
| 21:37.08 | nn-on-bluetooth | good * |
| 21:37.13 | nn-on-bluetooth | sory |
| 21:37.13 | embrik | ricky: |
| 21:37.38 | nn-on-bluetooth | humm |
| 21:37.46 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: going with ext3 since i might be using it for an external drive to run a laptop [the lappy has no hd =p] |
| 21:38.01 | Kevin` | RockerMONO mkdosfs -c -F 32 /dev/diskpartition will format it, but the disk check is less intensive then the one done with the previous command |
| 21:38.13 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: ^ |
| 21:38.14 | Kevin` | RockerMONO Oh, ok |
| 21:38.17 | nvz | journalinng on an external drive? |
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| 21:38.21 | Kevin` | RockerMONO set the partition type to "linux" then |
| 21:38.23 | embrik | ricky: I added "193.216.128.238 hedda" in /etc/hosts on the machine I'm trying to ssh and tried ssh root@hedda - didn't work |
| 21:38.24 | nn-on-bluetooth | well i dont care about windows keep windows seprate and use a usb stick is my advice |
| 21:38.29 | nn-on-bluetooth | well i dont care about windows keep windows seprate and use a usb stick is my advice RockerMONO |
| 21:38.42 | RockerMONO | nn-on-bluetooth: that's what i do =p |
| 21:38.48 | nvz | embrik: are you editing /etc/hosts on the machine you are typing that ssh command from? |
| 21:38.50 | nn-on-bluetooth | :) |
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| 21:39.01 | Kevin` | keep windows seperate and use samba over gigabit ethernet :) |
| 21:39.03 | RockerMONO | nn-on-bluetooth: but i was gonna see about puitting it back in the win95 computer it came out of.. but screw that! i got a hd for my laptop! =p |
| 21:39.11 | embrik | nvz: no on the machine I'm trying to ssh |
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| 21:39.22 | nn-on-bluetooth | i just use windows for small things that cant run any way else |
| 21:39.29 | nvz | embrik: then is the machine you are trying to ssh to the DNS server for the computer you are ssh from? |
| 21:39.52 | embrik | no |
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| 21:39.54 | nvz | embrik: then I don't see how the hell you think this would work in the first place |
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| 21:40.12 | nvz | embrik: how is computer B suppose to read the /etc/hosts of computer A? |
| 21:40.38 | RockerMONO | right... so... apparently i must specify a fs type when i mount this? |
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| 21:40.53 | RockerMONO | mount /dev/sdb /mnt/sdb ? |
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| 21:41.26 | newspeaker | nvz this is a good question. I'd make kind of a distributed database of /etc/host data. Calling it something like domain name system :D |
| 21:41.28 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: mount /dev/sdb /mnt/sdb tells me to specify a fs type |
| 21:41.42 | nvz | newspeaker: heh.. |
| 21:41.44 | Kevin` | RockerMONO that's the entire disk, not the partition |
| 21:41.45 | embrik | nvz: I know a couple of things you don't know, so don't get rude. I'm a newbie, trying to operate my network in a smooth way, asking qustions on a channel I thought woulkd help me |
| 21:41.50 | nvz | newspeaker: the point is he's not doing DNS |
| 21:41.51 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: sdb1 does the same |
| 21:41.54 | nn-on-bluetooth | RockerMONO, i don't like windows so mutch that my school laptop which they won't let me change to linux i use soly using a knoppix image on the hd and a boot cd !!! and i dont mind saving everything over the network on a nother linux box |
| 21:41.56 | Kevin` | RockerMONO did you format it? |
| 21:41.58 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: mount normally detects the filesystem type, so if it tells you to specify one, it usually means the thing you're trying to mount doesn't contain a valid filesystem |
| 21:42.03 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: yes |
| 21:42.12 | Kevin` | RockerMONO mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/hdb1 ? |
| 21:42.14 | RockerMONO | Wyzard: i just formated it to ext3 |
| 21:42.18 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: ^ |
| 21:42.19 | Kevin` | oh ok |
| 21:42.23 | Kevin` | RockerMONO what command did you use |
| 21:42.31 | RockerMONO | for mounting it? |
| 21:42.35 | Kevin` | for formatting it |
| 21:42.38 | nvz | embrik: I'm sure you know lots of things I don't know like what kind of underwear you have on.. that;s irrelevant. I'm not being rude, I'm telling you to think logically about what you are doing.. |
| 21:42.39 | nn-on-bluetooth | RockerMONO, if i could leagly kill windows on this laptop hd i would do it with extream speed !! :) |
| 21:42.55 | nvz | embrik: if this machine is not your DNS server, how is another machine suppose to know you are making changes to that file |
| 21:42.59 | palestino | help a palestinian to recover his audio |
| 21:43.00 | RockerMONO | cfdisk /dev/sdb |
| 21:43.15 | Kevin` | RockerMONO that command is for partitioning, not formatting |
| 21:43.26 | RockerMONO | ok... so how do i /format/ it? |
| 21:43.28 | palestino | i lost my sound,i dont get errors , it just stopped working...the alsamixer is ok,nothing muted |
| 21:43.35 | Kevin` | RockerMONO mke2fs -cc -j /dev/hdb1 |
| 21:43.51 | Kevin` | RockerMONO that will take a while, as -cc tells it to do an intensive check for bad sectors |
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| 21:43.59 | embrik | nvz: I thought that machine in a way broadcasted the content of /etc/hosts.... |
| 21:44.09 | nn-on-bluetooth | for now i use bluetooth and knoppix and have to be content with that :) on this laptop althought on my owned machiens i run gentoo,debian ubuntu etc... |
| 21:44.10 | nvz | embrik: not unless its a DNS server |
| 21:44.17 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: it's only 1GB, cant take too long ;) |
| 21:44.24 | Kevin` | RockerMONO heh heh heh |
| 21:44.35 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: You'd be surprised... old drives are slow |
| 21:44.36 | Kevin` | RockerMONO you hope. it's an old, slow drive :) |
| 21:44.41 | RockerMONO | lol |
| 21:44.48 | nvz | embrik: the /etc/hosts on a normal box is only for that box. so you need to edit /etc/hosts on the machine you are connecting from |
| 21:44.56 | embrik | nvz: ok, then I have to use the IP-adresse when I ssh them. I'm not in controll of the dns |
| 21:45.15 | Kevin` | RockerMONO that command will write four differnet patterns to the entire disk and read each back, it will take a while :) |
| 21:45.25 | RockerMONO | lol ok |
| 21:45.38 | Wyzard | embrik: If your goal is to be able to resolve other machines' hostnames on a LAN, you could use avahi and libnss-mdns |
| 21:45.49 | Wyzard | embrik: which are basically a reimplementation of Apple Bonjour |
| 21:45.52 | nn-on-bluetooth | RockerMONO, do me a favor and check out one of my 4 webservers filebin.info and linuxmain.net the rest are gaming. |
| 21:46.17 | RockerMONO | AH WTF |
| 21:46.22 | Wyzard | embrik: a machine named "foo", running Avahi, can be resolved as "foo.local" from any other machine on the same network segment that uses libnss-mdns |
| 21:46.26 | RockerMONO | "iceweasel is already running but not responding" |
| 21:46.31 | RockerMONO | it's been shutdown for 20 minues! |
| 21:46.41 | nn-on-bluetooth | lol |
| 21:46.42 | NieXS | killall wiceweasel |
| 21:46.51 | NieXS | *iceweasel |
| 21:47.07 | nvz | no, that would be killall firefox-bin |
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| 21:47.11 | embrik | Wyzard: thanks for enlightening me |
| 21:47.32 | NieXS | no, iceweasel |
| 21:47.37 | nvz | no, firefox-bin |
| 21:47.43 | NieXS | try running firefox-bin |
| 21:47.45 | RockerMONO | nn-on-bluetooth: filebin.info works |
| 21:47.53 | glguy | Is there an average for how long something has to stay in testing before it is ready for stable? |
| 21:47.54 | nvz | NieXS: try running iceweasel... |
| 21:48.06 | RockerMONO | nn-on-bluetooth: on linuxmain.net: warning: array_map() [function.array-map]: The first argument, 'utf8_encode', should be either NULL or a valid callback in /var/www/includes/unicode.inc on line 304. |
| 21:48.08 | nvz | it actually shows up in ps as firefox-bin |
| 21:48.35 | NieXS | lol you're right |
| 21:48.39 | nvz | I know :P |
| 21:48.47 | jakub_ | the future is open |
| 21:48.55 | nn-on-bluetooth | RockerMONO, yes i have been for ever meaning to fix that lol |
| 21:48.59 | jakub_ | :-) |
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| 21:49.03 | nvz | killall iceweasel, would say no processes killed |
| 21:49.03 | Wyzard | glguy: Stable releases occur once every 18-24 months |
| 21:49.04 | jakub_ | What slogan does debian have? |
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| 21:49.08 | RockerMONO | nvz: yup |
| 21:49.13 | RockerMONO | nn-on-bluetooth: haha... so fix it =p |
| 21:49.13 | Wyzard | glguy: Packages don't go into stable on a piecemeal basis |
| 21:49.17 | glguy | Wyzard: ah, ok |
| 21:49.29 | nvz | killall firefox-bin, would kill it |
| 21:49.29 | nn-on-bluetooth | ok doing so now |
| 21:49.32 | glguy | Wyzard: am I thinking of unstable -> testing maybe? |
| 21:49.35 | nn-on-bluetooth | ..... brb |
| 21:49.39 | Wyzard | glguy: probably |
| 21:49.44 | jakub_ | okay guys |
| 21:49.45 | RockerMONO | by the time this is done... i'll have 22GB of storage on here! woooo |
| 21:49.47 | RockerMONO | lol |
| 21:49.48 | jakub_ | let`s rock |
| 21:49.54 | jakub_ | we must create new debian slogan |
| 21:50.05 | RockerMONO | jakub_: why? |
| 21:50.13 | jakub_ | every good application needs slogan |
| 21:50.35 | glguy | Wyzard: is it more common to run a full testing installation or more common to use backports of specific applications? |
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| 21:50.41 | newspeaker | a debian slogan? "RTFM" |
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| 21:50.57 | jakub_ | i think good slogan is |
| 21:51.01 | jakub_ | Redmond will be utopia |
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| 21:51.22 | Wyzard | glguy: Both are common... depends on how important stability is to you |
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| 21:52.00 | glguy | Wyzard: I generally just need ghc-6.6.1 and the associated libraries to be up-to-date for work purposes |
| 21:52.10 | Wyzard | !tell glguy about simple sid backport |
| 21:52.17 | glguy | cool, thanks |
| 21:52.40 | Wyzard | glguy: You can use testing instead of sid, of course |
| 21:53.21 | glguy | Wyzard: I'm pretty new to Debian, but I Think I'm running "etch" |
| 21:53.24 | glguy | am I confusing names? |
| 21:53.38 | palestino | someone can help me with the audio? |
| 21:53.40 | Wyzard | glguy: etch is the current stable release |
| 21:53.50 | Wyzard | glguy: so "etch" and "stable" are synonyms |
| 21:54.13 | nn-on-bluetooth | RockerMONO, is it fixed |
| 21:54.17 | Wyzard | glguy: "lenny" is currently "testing", but eventually it'll be released, and then "lenny" will be "stable" and some other name will be "testing" |
| 21:54.26 | Wyzard | glguy: "sid" is "unstable" and that never changes |
| 21:54.27 | glguy | "sid" is the backports? |
| 21:54.28 | glguy | OH |
| 21:54.29 | glguy | ok |
| 21:54.40 | RockerMONO | nn-on-bluetooth: erm... url? :) i kinda closed it |
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| 21:54.57 | newspeaker | Wyzard you are confusing me and i'm using debian since "potato" :) |
| 21:54.59 | nn-on-bluetooth | nv mind its not fixed |
| 21:55.21 | Blwood | sid means still in developpement doesn't it ? |
| 21:55.22 | nvz | glguy: the names are from the disney/pixar movie Toy Story... sid is the neighbor kid who breaks the toys. |
| 21:55.27 | nvz | Blwood: no |
| 21:55.40 | nvz | Blwood: sid means the neighbor kid who breaks toys |
| 21:55.40 | Blwood | ah :o |
| 21:55.44 | Wyzard | Blwood: That's sort of an unofficial backronym, but it's really just the name of the kid from Toy Story |
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| 21:56.12 | Blwood | ah okay thank you for the information :p didn't know about that one |
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| 21:56.49 | Wyzard | I've heard that "lenny" is the last name from Toy Story that hasn't already been used for a release |
| 21:57.04 | Wyzard | I assume lenny+1 will be some name from Toy Story 2, though I haven't actually seen that movie |
| 21:57.21 | newspeaker | Wyzard. Well after lenny one can use homer, marge, lisa.... |
| 21:57.26 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 21:57.27 | nvz | I've seen it but I don't know the names of any characters other than the RC car |
| 21:57.39 | Wyzard | That's true, "RC" could be a name too |
| 21:57.50 | Pons | but rc means release candidate |
| 21:57.50 | Wyzard | but in Debian "RC" means a bad bug, so that's not a good name for a release :-) |
| 21:57.57 | nvz | heh |
| 21:57.58 | Wyzard | Release-Critical |
| 21:57.59 | Pons | would be a lil bit confusing |
| 21:58.17 | edju | Been trying for two days to get a client to print using CUPS, but it can't connect to the server. Is /etc/cups/cupsd.conf on the client have to be set up, or just client.conf? |
| 21:58.41 | Wyzard | edju: Is the client running cupsd? |
| 21:58.54 | nvz | Bo, Rex, Buzz, Slink, Potato, Woody, Sarge, Etch, and Lenny have all been used |
| 21:58.54 | Wyzard | edju: If not, its client.conf needs to point to the remote print server |
| 21:58.55 | RockerMONO | haha this hd is going spazo over here =p |
| 21:59.11 | edju | Wyzard, Yes, it is - it shouldn't be? |
| 21:59.22 | nvz | IIRC there were more characters than that but those are the main ones |
| 21:59.41 | nvz | I recall there being a piggy bank |
| 22:00.09 | Wyzard | edju: then cupsd will find the remote print queues using its built-in discovery feature, and client.conf should point to localhost (which is the default) |
| 22:00.44 | chrisjw | i set 10.0.1.3 to be specific to the mac address of my virtual machine running debian, the mac address is the same as i have checked already |
| 22:00.46 | Wyzard | edju: You can use http://localhost:631/ to check whether cupsd is running and has found the remote printers -- only after that works should you worry about actually submitting print jobs with "lp" and such |
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| 22:00.55 | chrisjw | but now it has assigned itself to 10.0.1.4 |
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| 22:02.05 | edju | Wyzard, I have client.conf pointing to the server - change it to localhost, then. |
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| 22:03.59 | Wyzard | edju: right, becase you want it to submit jobs to the local cupsd (which will then forward them to the remote print server if necessary) |
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| 22:05.17 | edju | Wyzard, client.conf, I think is not right. I have "ServerName localhost" |
| 22:05.27 | Wyzard | edju: What's wrong with that? |
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| 22:05.51 | Wyzard | edju: That tells it that localhost is where it should connect to submit print jobs, and localhost is where your cupsd is running |
| 22:06.14 | magyar | hi, i have a tun0 interface beung brought up on my system, which program is doing that? |
| 22:07.26 | edju | Wyzard, OK, but CUPS isn't finding anything. I can add a printer, of course, but that doesn't seem yto work either. Can't find the server. |
| 22:08.03 | Wyzard | then the problem is in the communication between the local cupsd and the remote print server; the client isn't involved at all |
| 22:08.19 | Wyzard | edju: Maybe you have a firewall blocking the announcement packets that cupsd uses to discover remote printers? |
| 22:08.29 | Wyzard | edju: Or maybe browsing is just disabled in the configuration |
| 22:08.48 | edju | Wyzard, Nope, and Browsing is on in both the server and client. |
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| 22:09.16 | edju | Wyzard, The network's fine - I can ping, ftp, etc. |
| 22:09.18 | Wyzard | edju: I'd use wireshark to check whether the browse announcements are actually being sent and received |
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| 22:10.19 | edju | Wyzard, wireshark - never heard of it, but I'll find out. Thanks. |
| 22:10.22 | Wyzard | edju: and if the two machines are on different networks they won't see each other's broadcast traffic |
| 22:10.38 | Wyzard | edju: wireshark was formerly known as "ethereal", if you've heard of that -- it's a packet sniffer |
| 22:11.36 | edju | Wyzard, Ahh, OK - used ethereal some time ago setting up NFS. |
| 22:12.34 | edju | Wyzard, Can I just stop cupsd, set client.conf to the server? |
| 22:13.03 | Wyzard | edju: If you want, sure |
| 22:13.15 | edju | I'll try that - Thanks. |
| 22:13.26 | Wyzard | edju: That gives you a bit less flexibility though, as opposed to having cupsd running locally |
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| 22:15.33 | edju | Wyzard, Crap! That doesn't work, either. |
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| 22:16.11 | Wyzard | Either the machines are on two different IP networks (different address ranges) or there's a firewall interfering |
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| 22:16.16 | Wyzard | Use wireshark to look at the traffic |
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| 22:19.37 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: it's like 1/2 done now =p |
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| 22:21.34 | _DunK__ | how do I restart sshd? |
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| 22:21.49 | Wyzard | _DunK__: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 22:21.53 | _DunK__ | thanks |
| 22:22.03 | _DunK__ | bit of a noob, eh? :) |
| 22:22.10 | nvz | hmm well I just realized that script I have should have a confirmation.. heh |
| 22:22.12 | nvz | oops |
| 22:22.22 | abrotman | _DunK__: didn't you read anything? |
| 22:22.31 | abrotman | oh wait .. wrong guy .. sorry |
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| 22:22.42 | nvz | I just resized 10 images to 266x600 and don't have backups of em.. heh |
| 22:22.54 | nvz | I meant to edit em in the gimp, not resize |
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| 22:23.34 | afaict | hi folks... |
| 22:23.54 | nvz | afaict: not yet, but we're working on it |
| 22:23.55 | afaict | Im facing a problem. I installed Debian Linux in my pendrive. It's working fine but... |
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| 22:24.09 | afaict | nvz o.O |
| 22:24.13 | afaict | antgel hi! |
| 22:24.13 | _DunK__ | abrotman: read lots, and when it's something substantial i'll read the lot but trawling through pages for something that needs a one line answer, i mean - it just seems easier to ask |
| 22:24.23 | abrotman | _DunK__: no .. it wasn't you |
| 22:24.26 | antgel | i've been on oftc for hours without realising it |
| 22:24.27 | nvz | afaict: O.o |
| 22:24.33 | _DunK__ | abrotman: ? |
| 22:24.33 | antgel | afaict: hello! |
| 22:24.47 | antgel | _DunK__: easier for who? |
| 22:24.51 | _DunK__ | ...bot? |
| 22:25.10 | _DunK__ | mabe no then |
| 22:25.42 | afaict | I installed kernel-image 2.6.22-686 and now i installed kernel-image 2.6.22-amd64... my computer(sempron) it works fine but using my notebook(amd64) it WORKS FINE TOO. The problem is when I try to load xorg... linux crashes. is it related to libc dependencies? |
| 22:25.43 | _DunK__ | I had a look through google "restart sshd" but the results weren't promising |
| 22:25.55 | _DunK__ | cmon, it was just a little one :) |
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| 22:26.22 | afaict | antgel wie geht'z? |
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| 22:26.44 | Perdignus | Hello - one of my systems is in a weird state. For instance I get this when I run setterm "-bash: /usr/bin/setterm: cannot execute binary file" |
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| 22:26.53 | antgel | afaict: english? |
| 22:27.04 | afaict | antgel how are you :) |
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| 22:27.28 | abrotman | afaict: did you look in the X log ? |
| 22:27.46 | antgel | afaict: great apart from it's the end of the weekend, i want to play gamecube, but i have to tidy my bedroom |
| 22:27.59 | afaict | abrotman i couldn't. it crashes before writing the log. |
| 22:28.03 | abrotman | antgel: can you fold my laundry so i can play DQVIII ? |
| 22:28.16 | abrotman | afaict: ? |
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| 22:28.26 | abrotman | afaict: which kernel are you running ? |
| 22:28.39 | antgel | abrotman: i'll tell you where you can stick your laundry |
| 22:28.46 | afaict | abrotman 2.6.22-amd64 with my amd turion x2... |
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| 22:28.56 | afaict | antgel :D |
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| 22:29.01 | afaict | antgel gamecube is nice |
| 22:29.10 | nvz | antgel: sounds like you either need to move out of moms house or get a divorce.. |
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| 22:29.18 | antgel | afaict: yeah. i was boring people about it last night |
| 22:29.33 | afaict | abrotman Im running 2.6.22-amd64 and when I try to startx it crashes and doesn't output log file |
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| 22:29.45 | Perdignus | When I run "apt-get install" I get this --> "/usr/share/debconf/frontend: /usr/bin/perl" |
| 22:29.47 | afaict | abrotman it doesn't write the xorg log |
| 22:30.02 | Perdignus | oops I mean this "/usr/share/debconf/frontend: /usr/bin/perl: bad interpreter: No such file or directory" |
| 22:30.07 | afaict | Perdignus seens to me you are in trouble |
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| 22:30.22 | Perdignus | afaict any suggestions please? |
| 22:30.27 | nvz | I could care less about video games, or this weekend.. I'm anxiously awaiting next weekend |
| 22:30.33 | afaict | Perdignus try to install perl with dpkg -i |
| 22:30.35 | streuner | Perdignus: what did you you do? |
| 22:30.42 | streuner | thats insane |
| 22:30.57 | afaict | Perdignus or maybe you should rm -rf and start over again ... |
| 22:30.57 | streuner | ones perl is broken you have only one chance |
| 22:30.58 | abrotman | twb: to clarify .. if you suck .. and you decide to use tasksel .. it has the "Standard" option checked. I don't use tasksel, and this probably explains how you got it and i didn't |
| 22:31.09 | abrotman | afaict: how are you running it ? |
| 22:31.13 | streuner | reinstall |
| 22:31.14 | abrotman | afaict: look in .xsession-errors |
| 22:31.22 | Perdignus | streuner well, it's a laptop that crashed, I repaired the HD with fsk.ext3 but now I'm seeing this weird stuff |
| 22:31.47 | antgel | afaict: i played wii for the first time before, and it's typically impressive from nintendo. i have about 30 GC games to finish, so by the time i do that, i shall be able to buy a second-hand wii for a good price :) |
| 22:31.51 | streuner | seems to me the whole FS is fucked up |
| 22:32.29 | afaict | abrotman here is the situation. I installed debian 4.0 into my pendrive to run x86 and xorg is running just fine. now i want it to run on my notebook(amd64). I installed amd64 kernel and linux is loading fine. when i try to startx linux crashes... |
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| 22:32.37 | streuner | Perdignus: is smartmontools installed? |
| 22:32.47 | afaict | abrotman i will look for .xsession-errors |
| 22:32.49 | streuner | Perdignus: check out the logs about |
| 22:32.57 | abrotman | afaict: do you have this usb stick handy ? |
| 22:32.58 | afaict | abrotman i thought it could be a libc dependencie error |
| 22:33.15 | afaict | abrotman shared library for x86 and im running i64. |
| 22:33.18 | Perdignus | streuner: nope, don't have smartmontools installed |
| 22:33.21 | abrotman | i64? |
| 22:33.21 | afaict | abrotman usb stick 8gb |
| 22:33.29 | afaict | abrotman amd64 isn't i64? |
| 22:33.35 | abrotman | afaict: you mean ia64 ? |
| 22:33.45 | streuner | Perdignus: ok, just check out /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages |
| 22:33.46 | afaict | abrotman sorry |
| 22:33.47 | abrotman | ia64 differs a lot from amd64 |
| 22:33.49 | afaict | abrotman no. |
| 22:33.52 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 22:33.54 | antgel | by then everyone will be playing on the next-gen console, wiitoo |
| 22:34.04 | abrotman | afaict: file /boot/* |
| 22:34.41 | afaict | Perdignus dpkg -l | grep perl ... see if perl is installed. |
| 22:34.57 | streuner | heh |
| 22:35.11 | afaict | abrotman does apt need perl ? i dont know if apt was written in perl |
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| 22:35.16 | streuner | without PERL you do NOTHING in Debian (almost)... |
| 22:35.31 | stoned | wtf |
| 22:35.33 | afaict | streuner so if he erased perl.... |
| 22:35.38 | stoned | i thought this ahole was on ignore |
| 22:35.39 | streuner | nah |
| 22:35.40 | stoned | argh |
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| 22:35.53 | antgel | stoned: which arsehole? |
| 22:36.00 | abrotman | afaict: file /boot/* |
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| 22:36.14 | afaict | abrotman i cant open usb stick right now... i will see it later. it's in my bag in another room. |
| 22:36.21 | abrotman | then why are you asking? |
| 22:36.49 | afaict | abrotman i would like to get any suggestion why it could happen |
| 22:37.02 | abrotman | afaict: i wanted to know if you had a 64bit or 32bit kernel |
| 22:37.04 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 22:37.18 | abrotman | afaict: check the .xsession-errors file .. see what happens .. barring that .. try a strace or ltrace |
| 22:37.21 | afaict | abrotman what i did was apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.22-1-amd64 |
| 22:37.33 | afaict | abrotman strace... ok! |
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| 22:38.00 | afaict | abrotman i used strace once a long time ago. :) |
| 22:38.10 | abrotman | okay |
| 22:38.12 | abrotman | it's not hard |
| 22:38.22 | afaict | abrotman thank you. |
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| 22:39.29 | afaict | let me see why my sister was in a bad headacke. she went to the hospital. =/ |
| 22:39.35 | afaict | see you folks! |
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| 22:40.48 | abrotman | you don't need a stupid quit message to say idiotic things :) |
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| 22:41.53 | stoned | thank god |
| 22:41.55 | stoned | ignorance is bliss |
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| 22:42.25 | streuner | apt is written in C++ |
| 22:42.47 | streuner | apt, test |
| 22:42.47 | apt | Test Passed! |
| 22:42.48 | stoned | apt makes me think of monkeys for some reason |
| 22:43.08 | stoned | aptitude makes me think of a car mechanic |
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| 22:43.14 | rookiehwm | simian makes me think of monkeys |
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| 22:43.59 | rking | i seem to get "Can't open /dev/dvd for reading: No medium found" no matter what i try (e.g., ogle gets that, cat /dev/dvd gets that, etc.) anyone know of a solution to playing DVD's? |
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| 22:44.35 | antgel | rking: xine? |
| 22:44.41 | rking | it's not a decss issue or anything like that, i just can't get any darn data from the drive |
| 22:44.52 | antgel | ah |
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| 22:45.11 | antgel | rking: can you try another OS? |
| 22:46.03 | rking | well, this is the history: sister-in-law ran Windows (XP i think), said the DVD worked, i got it, installed debian, and am just now getting around to playing with DVD's |
| 22:46.31 | antgel | rking: what about data discs? cds of any type? |
| 22:46.48 | rking | yeah - i burned/read data disks fine |
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| 22:49.21 | abrotman | rking: ls -l /dev/dvd ? |
| 22:49.47 | rking | it's hdc, which is the right one (confirmed by eject /dev/{hdc,dvd}) |
| 22:50.01 | abrotman | rking: are you mounting it before playing it ? |
| 22:50.10 | rking | nope |
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| 22:52.04 | antgel | rking: tried many dvds? |
| 22:52.05 | zophy | i just did a upgrade on my lenny system and the hal package won't install, looks like hal "hangs" |
| 22:52.16 | zophy | what's up with that ? |
| 22:53.01 | rking | antgel: i've tried two so far ... at the moment i'm stuck on the audio CD thing |
| 22:53.24 | rking | it's weird... i have a CDROM drive also, and it accepts this audio disk, and the DVD is giving the same, "No Medium Found" fooey. |
| 22:53.29 | antgel | rking: interesting |
| 22:54.51 | rking | maybe i was remembering wrong re: it reading data disks |
| 22:54.59 | rking | thanks for helping me with this, i know this is a boring problem |
| 22:55.30 | antgel | rking: if there's one thing more boring than pc hardware, it's... er, um... |
| 22:56.23 | xand | plenty |
| 22:56.32 | rking | doubtful |
| 22:56.47 | rking | i'm so much a software guy it's not possible for me to describe |
| 22:57.22 | rking | the only thing i'd rather do than ignore hardware is hurt hardware with a painful hurt so painful that it feels bad to the hardware that i am hurtingly hurting. |
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| 22:57.39 | streuner | use an official kernel and read "xine website FAQ" about |
| 22:57.56 | xand | without hardware, your software would be nothing! :) |
| 22:57.57 | streuner | http://xinehq.de/index.php/faq#AEN236 |
| 22:57.59 | rking | official kernel: check, xine faq, pending |
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| 22:58.14 | rking | xand: i'm leary about that. perhaps so. |
| 22:58.23 | streuner | rking: what does "cat /proc/version" say? |
| 22:58.25 | antgel | streuner: you should charge for your excellent efforts |
| 22:58.38 | rking | Linux version 2.6.18-4-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 200 |
| 22:58.51 | rking | s/$/7/, this was not built 1807 years ago. |
| 22:59.20 | streuner | ok, read the FAQ then |
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| 22:59.29 | streuner | if that doesn't work, just get another DVD :-) |
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| 23:00.03 | jetscreamer | rking not like the urbanterror rking eh |
| 23:00.32 | rking | jetscreamer: hrm? |
| 23:00.37 | antgel | rking: have you considered downloading your porn instead of watching it on dvd? |
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| 23:01.09 | UnbreakableMJ | Could someone share his/her /usr/share/doc/rtorrent/examples/rtorrent.rc with me please? |
| 23:01.09 | rking | actually, this is a special kind of porn: it's a children's video, that i can plug in and then disappear with my wife in the other room |
| 23:01.21 | rking | so in a way it is porn, yes... but it's like, IRL |
| 23:01.22 | antgel | kinky! |
| 23:01.32 | rking | like, it's for babysitting |
| 23:01.46 | antgel | rking: you need us to get your webcam working, not your dvd-rom |
| 23:01.48 | rking | ok - data CD did work |
| 23:02.15 | rking | antgel: why would you want to watch some kids watching a kids show? perv. |
| 23:02.25 | antgel | rking: heh |
| 23:02.38 | antgel | yeah, i took a bit of poetic licence there |
| 23:03.39 | simonrvn | in the old days you'd have the aunties take the kids out somewhere else while the parents did 'teir tang' |
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| 23:04.03 | simonrvn | with 'nuclear families' you gotta get creative |
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| 23:05.48 | abrotman | UnbreakableMJ: what's wrong with yours ? |
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| 23:06.00 | UnbreakableMJ | I don't have one :) |
| 23:06.12 | nn-on-bluetooth | ok i thought of somthing really funny |
| 23:06.20 | abrotman | !find rtorrent/examples/rtorrent.rc etch |
| 23:06.25 | nn-on-bluetooth | ping ....... boooooommm ....... crash .... plonk ;;; ok i seem to have ping-ed a windows server |
| 23:06.26 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'rtorrent/examples/rtorrent.rc' (1): (/usr/share/doc/rtorrent/examples/rtorrent.rc) in net/rtorrent. |
| 23:06.32 | abrotman | UnbreakableMJ: it's in that pckage |
| 23:06.38 | UnbreakableMJ | Thanks :) |
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| 23:09.12 | zophy | is there a channel dealing with gtk# on freenode ? |
| 23:09.51 | abrotman | zophy: there is on irc.gnome.org |
| 23:10.02 | simonrvn | nn-on-bluetooth: heh |
| 23:10.05 | zophy | there i shal journey |
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| 23:10.26 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: dude... "Block 0 in primary superblock/group descriptor area bad." |
| 23:10.54 | Kevin` | RockerMONO move the beginning of the partition a little to the right |
| 23:11.06 | nn-on-bluetooth | :) |
| 23:11.10 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: ? erm |
| 23:11.24 | Kevin` | RockerMONO move it to the right, so the superblock is no longer on that bad block |
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| 23:11.42 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: this was for the whole hd... |
| 23:11.47 | Kevin` | no, it wasn't |
| 23:11.52 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: their is no partition |
| 23:12.11 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: so sdb1 is the whole drive then, correct? |
| 23:12.11 | Kevin` | sdb1 is partition 1 |
| 23:12.11 | Kevin` | sdb is the whole drive |
| 23:12.11 | RockerMONO | right... but it's showing no partition |
| 23:12.23 | rking | the radness! |
| 23:12.25 | Kevin` | "showing no partition"? |
| 23:12.33 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: in cfdisk |
| 23:12.38 | Kevin` | cfdisk on what |
| 23:12.40 | Kevin` | sdb1? |
| 23:12.42 | rking | i think just using xine somehow magically made my dvd player work. |
| 23:12.50 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: cfdisk /dev/sdb |
| 23:13.06 | Kevin` | RockerMONO dd if=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 of=/dev/null |
| 23:13.06 | rking | i will plan to do some serious strace'ing to figure out what magical kind of open() xine used... this is odd. |
| 23:13.08 | Kevin` | do that please |
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| 23:14.11 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: 1+0 records in; 1+0 records out; 512 bytes copied, 0.00877434 seconds, 58.4 kB/s |
| 23:14.28 | Kevin` | RockerMONO did you run mke2fs on sdb or sdb1 |
| 23:14.34 | RockerMONO | sdb |
| 23:14.41 | Kevin` | you erased the partition table |
| 23:14.53 | simonrvn | Kevin`: shouldn't he have copied the superblock(s) first? |
| 23:15.07 | Kevin` | simonrvn why? there's no useful data on the drive |
| 23:15.11 | simonrvn | or the tables? ;) |
| 23:15.17 | simonrvn | oh, nm then |
| 23:16.11 | Kevin` | RockerMONO make a partition and format it, do it with one -c this time, for speed.. |
| 23:16.15 | rking | break, break, break - correction: the disk was the deal, the first 3 i tried failed, the 4th somehow worked. |
| 23:17.07 | Kevin` | RockerMONO and be sure to do it to the partition, this time |
| 23:17.38 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: i saved the partition table, exited cfdisk, and did cfdisk /dev/sdb again and it's gone |
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| 23:18.24 | Kevin` | RockerMONO dd if=/dev/urandom of=file count=1; cat file>/dev/hdb |
| 23:18.27 | Kevin` | md5sum file |
| 23:18.35 | Kevin` | dd if=/dev/hdb count=1 |md5sum |
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| 23:20.17 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: both md5sums are the same |
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| 23:20.33 | Kevin` | are you sure you did Write in cfdisk? |
| 23:20.43 | RockerMONO | yea |
| 23:20.59 | RockerMONO | cfdisk /dev/sdb |
| 23:21.13 | RockerMONO | unknown partition table. do you wnat to start from scrath [y/N]? y |
| 23:21.18 | RockerMONO | [new] |
| 23:21.23 | RockerMONO | [primary] |
| 23:21.25 | RockerMONO | [enter] |
| 23:21.31 | RockerMONO | [bootable] [write] |
| 23:21.42 | RockerMONO | yes [enter] |
| 23:21.46 | antgel | don't flood |
| 23:21.54 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: that's exactly what i did ^ |
| 23:22.00 | RockerMONO | antgel: mk |
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| 23:22.11 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: it said it wrote the partition table to the disk [again] |
| 23:22.31 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: now running cfdisk /dev/sdb says unrecognized partition table |
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| 23:22.42 | RockerMONO | **unknown - no unrecognized |
| 23:22.49 | Kevin` | that doesn't make sense, if you were able to write data to it and read it back with no errors |
| 23:23.08 | RockerMONO | i dont get it either |
| 23:23.40 | RockerMONO | is their a way to make it attempt to read the partition table the best it can no matter what? so i can see if it just like dropped somethin |
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| 23:24.16 | Kevin` | I don't think so, with that tool |
| 23:24.23 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: i tried leaving 32MB empty at the beginning now |
| 23:24.42 | RockerMONO | [the first partition starts after 32MB] |
| 23:24.52 | RockerMONO | and it's gone |
| 23:24.57 | RockerMONO | that fast |
| 23:24.58 | RockerMONO | wtf |
| 23:25.09 | simonrvn | partition table wasn't written |
| 23:25.45 | RockerMONO | simonrvn: it says "Wrote partition table to disk" |
| 23:26.04 | Kevin` | RockerMONO i'd like to connect to your computer and try it myself, but if you did everything properly, you could set up a loop device with a manual offset and format that |
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| 23:26.08 | Kevin` | then -o offset in fstab |
| 23:26.23 | simonrvn | yeh, i know, but something happened so it didn't |
| 23:26.57 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: what should i do? like what is the /entire command/ i should run? maybe i goofed up somewhere |
| 23:27.32 | Kevin` | RockerMONO I don't get it. you tried writing data to it and it worked, and you used cfdisk properly according to what you said |
| 23:28.33 | RockerMONO | "cfdisk /dev/sdb" "y" [new] [primary] [bootable] [write] ? |
| 23:28.37 | RockerMONO | that's what i did |
| 23:28.44 | RockerMONO | sets the partition to the full hd |
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| 23:29.01 | RockerMONO | then the next time i tried, i made a 32MB one, made one to fill the rest, then deleted the 32MB one |
| 23:29.14 | RockerMONO | and the 32MB of free space was at the beginning |
| 23:29.36 | Wyzard | Linux doesn't need the "bootable" flag set on partitions |
| 23:29.50 | Kevin` | cfdisk /dev/file; np^JWyes^Jq |
| 23:29.52 | RockerMONO | Wyzard: i've tried it with and without...neither worked |
| 23:29.55 | Wyzard | and I believe it actually *shouldn't* be set, if you have GRUB or LILO in your MBR |
| 23:30.01 | Wyzard | though in most cases it doesn't really matter |
| 23:30.48 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: "Fatal error: Cannot open disk drive" |
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| 23:31.18 | Kevin` | RockerMONO replace dev/file with the correct name, ^J = enter, although ctrl+j will work too |
| 23:31.18 | Kevin` | :) |
| 23:32.02 | RockerMONO | "bash: np^JWyes^Jq: command not found" |
| 23:32.13 | Kevin` | that's what you type into cfdisk |
| 23:32.19 | Kevin` | not a command. |
| 23:32.19 | RockerMONO | ... |
| 23:32.32 | glguy | is "testing"s version of linux-image not working on vmware-server worthy of submitting a bug report? or is that just something that is to be expected when playing with "testing"? |
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| 23:33.02 | simonrvn | a bug is a bug, if it isn't in the BTS already, file a new one |
| 23:33.04 | jelly-home | glguy: you mean, in a vmware guest? |
| 23:33.12 | glguy | jelly-home: yes |
| 23:33.15 | simonrvn | if it's a debian package ;) |
| 23:33.18 | Kevin` | glguy i'd submit a bug report, although it won't be worth much without sayign WHY it isn't working.. |
| 23:33.25 | jelly-home | glguy: it ought to work, so report it if it's not there yet |
| 23:33.29 | glguy | couldn't detect the scsi controller |
| 23:33.38 | glguy | or rather the drive on the controller |
| 23:34.00 | jelly-home | glguy: which OS did you choose in guest generation? |
| 23:34.03 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: i'm about to like go insane and just like burn the hd or sometihn lol |
| 23:34.10 | glguy | jelly-home: Other Kernel 64-bit |
| 23:34.14 | glguy | Other Linux* |
| 23:34.22 | Kevin` | RockerMONO well, if you don't have a use for it, that might be fun. use thermite |
| 23:34.29 | jelly-home | glguy: sounds ok |
| 23:34.32 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: but i might be able to use it as an external hd for a laptop w/ no working hd... |
| 23:34.54 | glguy | jelly-home: it worked with 2.6.18-X (stable) so I'm just using that |
| 23:34.58 | Kevin` | so, you have a use for it :) |
| 23:35.02 | RockerMONO | wrote partition to drive AGAIN |
| 23:35.02 | RockerMONO | and it's gone |
| 23:35.06 | RockerMONO | -_- |
| 23:35.20 | Kevin` | RockerMONO cat /proc/partitions |
| 23:35.20 | nvz | o.O |
| 23:35.20 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: it's like something makes it drop the entire partitoion table |
| 23:35.28 | Kevin` | RockerMONO I only want the line that says how big the drive is |
| 23:35.50 | RockerMONO | ok... |
| 23:36.04 | RockerMONO | major | minor | #blocks | name <-- row titles |
| 23:36.14 | nvz | RockerMONO: what kind of drive is this.. like IDE (PATA, SATA), scsi? |
| 23:36.39 | RockerMONO | 8 | 16 |1058399 | sdb <-- row for the hd |
| 23:36.49 | nvz | something may be write protecting the drive.. like a jumper or a bios virus protection |
| 23:37.20 | nvz | bios virus protection is evil |
| 23:37.22 | RockerMONO | nvz: it let me read/write files on it... and it kept the md5sum - but it wont let me save a partition table |
| 23:37.52 | nvz | RockerMONO: yeah but bios virus protection protects like the MBR and such.. won't let you change partition table or boot code |
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| 23:38.12 | nvz | RockerMONO: it will still let you write to the drive |
| 23:38.26 | RockerMONO | nvz: i can work with my USB drive. but not the spare hd [running through a USB enclosure] |
| 23:38.36 | DanielV | How can I change language to japanese? I uso Gnome |
| 23:38.39 | Kevin` | nvz it read back the changes he made, though |
| 23:39.02 | RockerMONO | nvz: and it tells me the partition tables get written, but if i retsart cfdisk they're gone |
| 23:39.02 | nvz | hmm |
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| 23:39.24 | nvz | maybe you should see what gpart says about it |
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| 23:39.39 | Kevin` | RockerMONO wget http://kwzs.be/blah |
| 23:39.44 | nvz | gpart worked wonders for me once when I lost a whole 50G+ partition table |
| 23:39.53 | Kevin` | RockerMONO dd if=blah of=/dev/sdb |
| 23:40.05 | Kevin` | RockerMONO dd if=/dev/sdb count=5 |md5sum |
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| 23:40.45 | RockerMONO | 67da693fd20d2b2a8df9bf0f44f52038 |
| 23:40.50 | Kevin` | RockerMONO dd if=/dev/sdb count=1 |md5sum |
| 23:41.00 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: ^^ |
| 23:41.07 | Kevin` | yes, I saw |
| 23:41.09 | Kevin` | RockerMONO dd if=/dev/sdb count=1 |md5sum |
| 23:41.23 | RockerMONO | nothing |
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| 23:41.27 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: it wont return anything for that |
| 23:41.34 | DanielV | How can I change language to japanese? I use Gnome |
| 23:41.40 | RockerMONO | brb |
| 23:41.51 | nvz | how could it not return anything.. md5sum should return something even if it gets no data |
| 23:41.59 | DanielV | In Ubuntu you have a language selector but Debian doesn't |
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| 23:42.34 | nvz | DanielV: sure it does |
| 23:42.54 | DanielV | Yeah, somehow |
| 23:43.03 | nvz | DanielV: it asked you when you installed debian what language you want, and you could just as easily put a selector on your panel just like ubuntu |
| 23:43.49 | nvz | I don't use other languages so I don't know off the top of my head how exactly to change it once its installed |
| 23:44.19 | nvz | but debian and ubuntu use the same software for the most part.. its just setup different |
| 23:44.19 | DanielV | Noup, you can't change language from the panel, you can change keyboard language but not the whole environment language |
| 23:44.27 | chlue | Hello I just resurrected my system after hours of reading and trying from an "windows attack". Changing partitions with w2k resulted in an namechange of my /, home and swap partiton and avery angry grub. What would be a save way to create new ntfs partition for windows? Creating the partitions with cfdisk unter linux and formating them with windows? |
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| 23:45.17 | DanielV | In Ubuntu I could change from English to Frenh using the "Change Language" app. But I can't find something like that in my Debian |
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| 23:47.05 | nvz | DanielV: well if it works for ubuntu it works for debian, you need to figure out what exactly that app is |
| 23:47.43 | DanielV | I know, that is what I was asking. If someone does know how to |
| 23:47.50 | chlue | is there someone who can help my with my partition problem? |
| 23:48.48 | DanielV | chlue: I recommend that you format your ntfs partition using the Winsucks CD and then using a Linux Live CD boot into your Linux partition and fix your GRUB with the new partition table |
| 23:48.59 | RockerMONO | back |
| 23:49.15 | RockerMONO | nvz: it litterally returned nothing for the md5sum |
| 23:49.23 | simonrvn | DanielV: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 23:49.28 | stoned | hi |
| 23:49.43 | stoned | simonrvn: what does it mean when someone says "...where wings take dream..." |
| 23:49.53 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: oh...weird...i added a space after "|md5sum" and it works |
| 23:50.15 | simonrvn | stoned: *shrug* |
| 23:50.15 | Kevin` | RockerMONO and what was the result |
| 23:50.34 | RockerMONO | not the same thing as i got when i saved it... |
| 23:50.37 | nvz | RockerMONO: 68b329da9893e34099c7d8ad5cb9c940 ? |
| 23:50.41 | chlue | DanielV: i allready managed to fixed grub with this Link: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Reinstalling_GRUB. But the problem is, how can I finish my partition-stuff without messung up everything again. I am not willing to trust windows again. |
| 23:50.51 | RockerMONO | nvz: 8a761852129d29dbd9838e637ee42f62 |
| 23:51.07 | nvz | hmm |
| 23:51.19 | DanielV | I use Windows to format Fat and ntfs |
| 23:51.31 | Kevin` | aaa4b61ecdc4f0c215b605620c6f891f - |
| 23:51.47 | Kevin` | DanielV .. and? |
| 23:52.10 | DanielV | ....and you suck |
| 23:52.13 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: should i do the set-all-bytes-to-0 thing? |
| 23:52.17 | stoned | simonrvn: what about "I know that humans and fish can co-exist peacefully" |
| 23:52.26 | Kevin` | RockerMONO well, first, do this |
| 23:52.29 | RockerMONO | k |
| 23:52.29 | Kevin` | RockerMONO md5sum blah |
| 23:52.31 | Kevin` | just in case. |
| 23:52.42 | chlue | DanielV so formating is save, as long as I don't create the Partitions with windows? Changing / from sdb8 to sdb6 is not funy,... |
| 23:52.53 | nvz | stoned: what if someone says you're stoned... |
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| 23:53.06 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: c3652f3c67567c4779f7e93157607195 |
| 23:53.33 | Kevin` | RockerMONO ok, that's correct. must be something wrong with the start of the drive |
| 23:53.39 | RockerMONO | hm |
| 23:53.44 | Kevin` | DanielV you know windows can only format fat up to 32gb, right? :) |
| 23:53.59 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: ok how do i copy it again? i'll try it again and see what works |
| 23:54.16 | Kevin` | dd if=blah of=/dev/sdb |
| 23:54.16 | Kevin` | ? |
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| 23:54.39 | chlue | Kevin`: thats the reason my new external hdd ended up being formated ext3. ;-) |
| 23:54.50 | DanielV | Who cares |
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| 23:55.03 | Kevin` | DanielV people who want to use drives in windows tend to care |
| 23:55.07 | Kevin` | or just format it in linux =p |
| 23:55.30 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: that gives me "d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e" for the md5sum |
| 23:55.44 | Kevin` | RockerMONO of the first block? |
| 23:55.54 | DanielV | Oh I forgot that there are now bigger disks, sorry I have a 40G and only use 10 in fat |
| 23:56.16 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: dd if=blah of=/dev/sdb | md5sum <-- gives me "d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e" |
| 23:56.45 | Kevin` | RockerMONO that isn't checking the md5sum of anything significant. |
| 23:56.54 | RockerMONO | ? |
| 23:56.58 | Kevin` | RockerMONO dd if=/dev/sdb count=1 |md5sum |
| 23:57.06 | Kevin` | you did the md5sum of "1+0 records in |
| 23:57.06 | Kevin` | 1+0 records out |
| 23:57.07 | Kevin` | " |
| 23:57.08 | Kevin` | etc. |
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| 23:57.34 | RockerMONO | 85ff24573c97c4a47e56ea6d1e72e5a7 |
| 23:57.36 | snowbird | any use scanjet 4100c scanner? |
| 23:57.47 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: wtf it =\ |
| 23:57.47 | nvz | !sane |
| 23:57.47 | dpkg | Scanner Access Now Easy makes scanning...easy, or http://www.sane-project.org/ |
| 23:57.50 | Kevin` | RockerMONO ya, that's wrong |
| 23:57.52 | RockerMONO | *it's not even consistant |
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| 23:59.31 | snowbird | nvz get sane and any thing else |
| 23:59.37 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: each time i do dd if=/dev/sdb count=1 |md5sum i get a diff response |
| 23:59.52 | Kevin` | RockerMONO hahaha nice |
