| 00:00.03 | RockerMONO | can i make a boot floppy from within Debian or do i have to reboot to the livecd and make it off of that? |
| 00:00.03 | abrotman | why isn't there an ISP called localhost ? |
| 00:00.06 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:00.14 | abrotman | RockerMONO: dd |
| 00:00.19 | RockerMONO | abrotman: erm? |
| 00:00.22 | abrotman | dd |
| 00:00.26 | RockerMONO | ... |
| 00:00.28 | DavidProck1981 | hay im listen to music useing amarok and playing a game called cube2, I have done that plenty of times, BUT this time my music, the volume level keeps changeing, it gets to sound muffled with low volume then clear again with being louder |
| 00:00.30 | abrotman | !!! |
| 00:00.30 | dpkg | I'm not your fucking csh prompt. |
| 00:00.37 | RockerMONO | heh |
| 00:00.39 | dkr | johncasdfas: I've several debian machines at rackspace, although they aren't "officially" supported anymore(redhat is), but they have their own debian mirror and the like on site. |
| 00:00.40 | DavidProck1981 | what would be making that happen |
| 00:00.43 | RockerMONO | abrotman: what do you mean by dd? |
| 00:00.48 | abrotman | it's a program |
| 00:00.54 | abrotman | you have floppy images ? |
| 00:01.11 | eldowan | simonrvn: looks like I was able to find an ogg2mp3 perl script to take care of me. I am well aware of lossy to lossy transcoding. :D |
| 00:01.12 | abrotman | dd if=<path/to/image.bin> of=/dev/fd0 |
| 00:01.25 | johncasdfas | yeah but rackspace is managed only, correct? |
| 00:01.29 | RockerMONO | abrotman: no... i need a boot floppy for the debian livecd so i can install it on an older computer |
| 00:01.40 | abrotman | uhm |
| 00:01.48 | abrotman | just use the floppies to install |
| 00:01.49 | abrotman | !bf |
| 00:01.50 | dpkg | from memory, etch floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want lenny/testing change "etch" to "lenny". |
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| 00:02.42 | snowbird | i guess truck needs work gf called me |
| 00:02.54 | RockerMONO | abrotman: which one do i get boot, net-1, net-2, or root? |
| 00:03.05 | snowbird | she on hwy cell phone shows smoke out of trans oil dipstic |
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| 00:03.38 | abrotman | all |
| 00:03.39 | DavidProck1981 | any one read my issue |
| 00:04.24 | DavidProck1981 | i just checked and while it happend the vol bar on the player was still at 100% |
| 00:05.06 | RockerMONO | abrotman: do you think a 12 year old dell running debian can handle a ethernet card? >.> |
| 00:05.44 | snowbird | no way |
| 00:05.56 | snowbird | that to small to insall os |
| 00:06.02 | RockerMONO | what is? |
| 00:06.03 | snowbird | that is p 90 |
| 00:06.04 | DavidProck1981 | RockerMONO depends on how the 12 year old was raised |
| 00:06.21 | snowbird | rockermono |
| 00:06.22 | abrotman | RockerMONO: yes |
| 00:06.26 | RockerMONO | snowbird: what? |
| 00:06.36 | snowbird | stil got error on desk top icon |
| 00:06.42 | abrotman | RockerMONO: 12 years old is about PI or so .. should have PCI slots .. should be fine |
| 00:07.03 | RockerMONO | abrotman: yup, it has PCI slots lol |
| 00:07.14 | RockerMONO | abrotman: but i still need to find an ethernet card to use >.> |
| 00:07.20 | abrotman | any ? |
| 00:07.39 | RockerMONO | what? |
| 00:07.44 | abrotman | any pci network card |
| 00:08.13 | RockerMONO | any that will let me hook it up via wireless-g or ethernet =p |
| 00:08.20 | RockerMONO | cuz i have no spares |
| 00:08.51 | RockerMONO | snowbird: what's too small to install an os? |
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| 00:09.01 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.18 | abrotman | that's more than enough |
| 00:09.27 | RockerMONO | snowbird: and um...where'd you get 500mb from? lol |
| 00:09.28 | snowbird | ok |
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| 00:10.28 | snowbird | how do u tell ice to be defalt konqer wont let it |
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| 00:12.33 | pedro_ | what file do i edit to change my default session? |
| 00:12.58 | abrotman | ~/.xsession |
| 00:12.58 | apt | ~/.xsession is the file for per-user X config if you use xdm/startx. E.g. "startkde". works with gdm if you select a Debian session. It's a script; put the commands you want (with & after them if they hang around), then your WM or DE last (no & on it). |
| 00:13.24 | themill | snowbird: KControlCentre -> KDE Components -> File associations -> text/html -> move iceweasel up the list |
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| 00:19.19 | eldowan | Currently I have multiple linux-image packages installed from updates and upgrades gone by. It is safe to remove unused linux-image packages, correct? My current linux-image is the only one I boot to, and has everything running as I need it. I believe this is safe, but would rather have my belief confirmed before I potentially screw myself. Thanks |
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| 00:21.23 | cafuego | eldowan: Yup. I tend to keep only the current one and the one prior to the current one. |
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| 00:21.39 | eldowan | cafuego: thanks, thats what I thought. |
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| 00:22.40 | abrotman | there's a professional irc client ? |
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| 00:23.02 | eldowan | abrotman: isn't that just an irc client that a professional uses? |
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| 00:23.11 | twb | abrotman: yes. Netcat. |
| 00:23.21 | eldowan | twb: why netcat as pro? |
| 00:23.25 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 00:23.43 | twb | eldowan: if you don't know netcat, it's probably hard to explain |
| 00:23.55 | abrotman | and the joke will be long gone by then |
| 00:24.22 | eldowan | twb: aah, I see. One of those if you don't know, you never will situations... Just another ruse to keep newbs down! |
| 00:24.29 | eldowan | :D |
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| 00:25.39 | eldowan | netcat sounds pretty straight forward. an extensible packet injector, yes? |
| 00:25.44 | snowbird | how do i make fire fox defalt |
| 00:25.53 | twb | snowbird: think telnet |
| 00:25.54 | snowbird | konqer stil want to be |
| 00:26.02 | snowbird | whats telnet? |
| 00:26.03 | twb | Oops, bad completion. |
| 00:26.11 | twb | snowbird: you are using KDE? |
| 00:26.16 | snowbird | right |
| 00:26.30 | twb | snowbird: NFI, sorry. |
| 00:26.42 | snowbird | is there away? |
| 00:26.50 | snowbird | twb telnet is my cell plan |
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| 00:26.59 | eldowan | snowbird: in control center: |
| 00:26.59 | abrotman | ask #debian-kde |
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| 00:27.47 | eldowan | snowbird: KDE Components -> Component chooseer -> Web Browser |
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| 00:28.05 | snowbird | ilil look there |
| 00:28.21 | snowbird | in cnt pannel? |
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| 00:28.37 | eldowan | snowbird: should be there, I just checked. Control Center should be in your 'K' menu |
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| 00:28.47 | snowbird | i am there were on list? |
| 00:28.54 | abrotman | he said he already changed it |
| 00:28.56 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:28.56 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:29.17 | eldowan | abrotman: do what? |
| 00:29.19 | remote | !fr |
| 00:29.19 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
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| 00:29.57 | jetscreamer | botabuse |
| 00:29.58 | snowbird | i put open in folowing browere see if that helps |
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| 00:33.21 | eldowan | jetscreamer: what, no !abuse? |
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| 00:39.46 | jetscreamer | nah old hat |
| 00:40.02 | jetscreamer | he could recite the factoid verbatim |
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| 00:40.05 | jetscreamer | :P |
| 00:40.15 | mystic_pinguin | i resolve my problem about the graphic color it was configuration :x urggg i spent hours try to resolve it ... and after i give up just playing beford i close i resolve theproblem lol |
| 00:41.09 | mystic_pinguin | computers o0 0o |
| 00:41.44 | RockerMONO | hey everyone |
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| 00:42.57 | _X_O | good night to everybody |
| 00:43.12 | RockerMONO | 'night _X_O |
| 00:43.30 | _X_O | :) |
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| 00:44.55 | Rprp | Does someone know how i can stream music to an shoutcast server? |
| 00:45.10 | RockerMONO | abrotman: mk... i downloaded the img's and everything, how do i get them to the floppies? lol |
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| 00:45.43 | abrotman | i todl you already |
| 00:46.12 | RockerMONO | oh |
| 00:46.13 | krazykit | Rprp, xmms and xmms2 do shoutcast, i think. |
| 00:46.22 | Rprp | hmm, k. |
| 00:47.11 | stoned | 1 |
| 00:47.14 | inaety | hello, i have an HL5140 printer and i have it installed and such under KDE with the appropiate driver...however i cannot print. i tried a test page as well and it says it successfully went to the printer, im using cups |
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| 00:48.48 | zbrown | Waht all can the businesscard install cd do? |
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| 00:49.03 | stoned | it can install debian on your machine |
| 00:49.10 | zbrown | ok cool |
| 00:49.15 | stoned | but... |
| 00:49.16 | petemc | zbrown: everything except pppoe |
| 00:49.26 | stoned | and of course a desktop |
| 00:49.40 | stoned | except that is |
| 00:50.04 | petemc | well, it goes without saying you'll want to grab other packages |
| 00:50.42 | petemc | and you'll be able to do so, provided you dont need pppoe |
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| 00:51.36 | stoned | purple haze |
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| 00:51.45 | stoned | or deep ahh yes.. deep purple |
| 00:51.48 | twb | all in my brain |
| 00:51.51 | stoned | thats the one |
| 00:52.00 | twb | lately things just don't seem the same |
| 00:52.02 | zbrown | stoned: cali chronic? |
| 00:52.05 | stoned | no man |
| 00:52.10 | stoned | I was trying to recall the band |
| 00:52.15 | tanob | hello, im trying to burn a cdrom, and im getting an error from wodim, saying that it cannot open the SCSI driver |
| 00:52.26 | twb | How could you forget Smoke on the Water? |
| 00:52.28 | tanob | if i do: wodim dev=/dev/cdrw -scanbus, it works |
| 00:52.32 | antgel | deep purple rock |
| 00:52.39 | tanob | how can i configure it to always work ? |
| 00:52.43 | stoned | twb: you could, if you stone and bake as much as i do |
| 00:52.50 | twb | stoned: ha! |
| 00:52.56 | stoned | i gotta stop again, I successfuly went sober for like half a year almost, this year |
| 00:53.03 | stoned | and recently i just started again dunno why |
| 00:53.10 | twb | Boredom |
| 00:53.14 | stoned | mostly |
| 00:53.21 | stoned | but its like |
| 00:53.30 | stoned | after a long day of work I just want to come home, get stoned, and relax |
| 00:53.40 | stoned | maybe work on linux |
| 00:53.56 | NicNac | stoned works for me :P |
| 00:54.02 | twb | So you're contributing to the development 2.6 branch eh? |
| 00:54.03 | stoned | no I don't |
| 00:54.11 | stoned | no |
| 00:54.23 | stoned | I am working on localizing debian and kde in my language |
| 00:54.28 | stoned | I contribute as much I am able to |
| 00:54.34 | twb | Stoner language? |
| 00:54.35 | NicNac | I meant getting stoned works for me :P |
| 00:54.38 | stoned | !ur |
| 00:54.38 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 00:54.44 | stoned | Urdu |
| 00:55.01 | twb | I thought there was a `b' in `punjabi' |
| 00:55.24 | stoned | yeh I probably missed it |
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| 00:56.17 | stoned | soon |
| 00:56.30 | stoned | some of my non english speaking family will be able to use computers |
| 00:56.46 | stoned | back home |
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| 01:01.25 | stoned | one more minute |
| 01:01.39 | stoned | thats a good song |
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| 01:02.28 | abrotman | !tell PalaWan about root |
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| 01:05.51 | inaety | what do you guys think is better out of these.... http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7950381&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat110000050027&id=1152229204899 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7933686&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat110000050027&id=1151657980013 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7338641&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat110000050027&id=1122651984180 |
| 01:06.03 | twb | inaety: EXPLOOOODE |
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| 01:06.27 | inaety | twb? |
| 01:06.33 | abrotman | inaety: #hardware ? |
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| 01:06.40 | inaety | abrotman: they're lame |
| 01:06.47 | RockerMONO | hah |
| 01:06.51 | abrotman | doesn't matter .. it's not related to #debian |
| 01:06.56 | krazykit | inaety, bose stands for Buy Other Sound Equipment |
| 01:07.13 | twb | Noise is overrated |
| 01:07.22 | inaety | okay, abrotman... |
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| 01:08.09 | inaety | haha, RockerMONO |
| 01:08.14 | twb | abrotman: so did you CATCH th' GAME last night? |
| 01:08.30 | RockerMONO | inaety: how else am i supposed to get rid of it? :) |
| 01:08.35 | inaety | haha |
| 01:08.45 | RockerMONO | inaety: not worth fixing, only 1GB and it's 12 years old so if it is fixible it'll probably completely fall apart soon =p |
| 01:08.47 | abrotman | twb: which one ? |
| 01:08.55 | Gokee2 | inaety, Get a amp then some real speakers :) |
| 01:08.56 | twb | abrotman: I don't know |
| 01:09.00 | abrotman | ok |
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| 01:09.13 | twb | abrotman: you were supposed to say "haha" |
| 01:09.17 | inaety | RockerMONO: try to install the Debian Netinstall cd :P |
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| 01:09.30 | RockerMONO | inaety: erm... it wont hold data for more than a few seconds |
| 01:09.33 | twb | Try /msg fsbot twb-fix |
| 01:09.50 | inaety | RockerMONO: why are you still dealing with a broken 1gb harddrive, again? |
| 01:10.01 | RockerMONO | inaety: i'm not anymore, gave up on it last night =p |
| 01:10.06 | RockerMONO | inaety: less than a day after i got it haha |
| 01:10.07 | inaety | RockerMONO: put it in a bag, light it on fire and play ding dong ditch |
| 01:10.19 | RockerMONO | LMAO hell yea xD |
| 01:10.24 | inaety | haha |
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| 01:10.50 | RockerMONO | inaety: hm, OR.... put it in a bag, cover it in gas, throw it in middle of a street, light a match a few feet away, and spray Axe on it? :) |
| 01:11.05 | RockerMONO | inaety: not like i'd ever do that or anything.... :) |
| 01:11.09 | inaety | RockerMONO: hahaha home made bombs |
| 01:11.26 | RockerMONO | hmmm |
| 01:11.56 | RockerMONO | inaety: i also have a broken stereo.... :) |
| 01:12.03 | twb | Bombs involve more than mere combustion. |
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| 01:12.16 | xlotlu | is there something like ndiswrapper for modems? |
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| 01:16.14 | fasta | Can I specify multiple commands separated by ';' on one crontab line? |
| 01:16.22 | abrotman | try && |
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| 01:17.03 | fasta | abrotman: Does that mean ; doesn't work? |
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| 01:17.21 | abrotman | it might |
| 01:17.36 | fasta | abrotman: ok, so do you know && works? |
| 01:18.00 | twb | fasta: by bloody mindedness |
| 01:18.40 | twb | It's probably safest to keep the crontab entry simple by putting the code into a small script. |
| 01:18.57 | Markus`` | notte a tutti |
| 01:19.08 | fasta | I thought of doing that myself when the answer would have been "no". |
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| 01:25.20 | Yorgo | do you know why , when I try to recover my acer aspire turion64, it turns off hardly after a few seconds? |
| 01:25.54 | twb | Perhaps it's pining. |
| 01:26.01 | Yorgo | I cannot make the recovery at all |
| 01:26.06 | Yorgo | pinning? |
| 01:26.11 | twb | For the fjords. |
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| 01:26.29 | endra | hey |
| 01:26.32 | fasta | twb: :) |
| 01:26.38 | RockerMONO | waitttt ummm |
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| 01:26.50 | endra | say I had ipw3945 but when I turn off/on the switch it never says anything about it in dmesg except setkeycodes |
| 01:26.52 | RockerMONO | can i run a netinstall on a computer that cant go online? |
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| 01:27.03 | endra | .. what can I do to have it recognize it |
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| 01:28.09 | twb | Argh, Ubuntu is such an annoying crock of shit |
| 01:28.33 | twb | Every time you peel back the glossy cover, there is breakage |
| 01:28.45 | RockerMONO | twb: why would you be fussing about ubuntu in #debian ?.... |
| 01:28.59 | twb | I'm griping about it |
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| 01:29.03 | RockerMONO | llol |
| 01:29.09 | Yorgo | twb when I run live cd everything is fine. but when I insert the recovery disk of windows it turns off. Probably is the temperature of CPU but how can I finish the installation without shut down? |
| 01:29.41 | twb | Yorgo: what live cd? |
| 01:29.46 | fasta | twb: Ubuntu is popular, that must mean it's PERFECT!!!! |
| 01:29.54 | Yorgo | knoppix or kubuntu |
| 01:30.20 | twb | Yorgo: so where is the Debian on this system? |
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| 01:31.01 | Yorgo | so you cannont answer me! |
| 01:31.06 | Yorgo | ok thank you |
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| 01:31.24 | kripton1x | Im having trouble installing 3ddesktop to debian, Im using fluxbox as my wm |
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| 01:32.20 | kripton1x | I did a debian net inst, no X or window manager was installed, can someone help me get this working? it tells me it cannot find GL/glu.h which is incluyded from 3ddeskd.cpp:56 |
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| 01:33.33 | kripton1x | ? |
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| 01:34.31 | s0n1 | hi ; i install debian but don't create /dev/st0 and /dev/cdrom |
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| 01:35.43 | jonathanpoon | hey guys.... |
| 01:36.05 | jonathanpoon | I'm looking to buy a new motherboard for my E4500...would anyone here suggest the nvidia 570i chipset? |
| 01:36.55 | stoned | jonathanpoon: ##hardware |
| 01:38.34 | inaety | my cups printer says this on http://localhost:631/printers/ "Printer not connected; will retry in 30 seconds..." next to the printer name...how can i fix this |
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| 01:39.27 | fasta | inaety: that's what cups usually does |
| 01:39.43 | fasta | cups needs more work or a replacement |
| 01:40.02 | inaety | what? |
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| 01:40.35 | fasta | inaety: you are probably using a printer that only contained Windows logos |
| 01:40.54 | inaety | fasta: ...they have linux drivers |
| 01:41.00 | fasta | inaety: you cannot expect those to work without any work on Debian |
| 01:41.06 | RockerMONO | what's a simple image editor i can use in debian? |
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| 01:41.15 | inaety | RockerMONO: Krita! |
| 01:41.18 | fasta | inaety: who have? |
| 01:41.34 | inaety | RockerMONO: KolourPaint |
| 01:41.38 | inaety | Brother |
| 01:41.43 | inaety | fasta: ^^ |
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| 01:41.57 | fasta | inaety: ok, a Brother should probably work depending on model. |
| 01:42.08 | fasta | inaety: I guess Google knows the answer to that. |
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| 01:42.27 | inaety | fasta: HL 5140...i've got it to work easily on other distros using the HL1250 recommended driver |
| 01:42.40 | fasta | inaety: As I don't have a Brother, I don't know. |
| 01:43.13 | jelly-home | s0n1: how is your tape device attached, SCSI, SATA? Is the st module loaded? |
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| 01:43.44 | inaety | fasta: which would i use http://solutions.brother.com/linux/en_us/index.html |
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| 01:45.25 | fasta | inaety: **BR-Script PPD files are located on the bundled CD-ROM that came with your product. |
| 01:45.32 | fasta | inaety: did you read that? |
| 01:46.04 | inaety | no fasta |
| 01:46.07 | jelly-home | ah. "BR-Script" is "we're not licensed to call this PostScript", right? |
| 01:46.29 | fasta | inaety: then why ask in this channel if you did zero effort yourself? |
| 01:46.42 | inaety | jeez fasta im sorry i didn't see it |
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| 01:47.49 | Guerin | my mum has a cheap brother multifunction and it's great |
| 01:48.20 | jelly-home | Guerin: PPDs are only for printing, right? |
| 01:48.29 | Guerin | the only beef I have with it is that it stops printing as soon as ONE of the ink cartridges runs out - so even if you only print black, you need a full CMY cart as well |
| 01:48.33 | Guerin | jelly-home: yes. |
| 01:48.54 | fasta | Guerin: other printers have that misfeature as well |
| 01:48.56 | Guerin | well, i shoudl say - full CMY carts, since they're individual |
| 01:49.18 | Guerin | fasta: yeah, it's damn-fool. My ancient HP deskjet 930c carries on regardless |
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| 01:49.44 | fasta | Guerin: Kroes should pay a few visits to those manufacturers |
| 01:49.51 | jelly-home | can't print bw text without yellow subliminal messages! |
| 01:49.56 | Guerin | jelly-home: heh |
| 01:50.35 | fasta | I guess the Next Gen printers will first send everything you print to the FBI |
| 01:50.43 | RockerMONO | grrrr |
| 01:50.54 | RockerMONO | is their a way to get a screen shot of a fullscreen app? |
| 01:50.57 | fasta | We must capture the terrorists after all |
| 01:51.16 | Guerin | RockerMONO: scrot -d 5 foo.png ; then fullscreen the app and wait 5s |
| 01:51.18 | fasta | RockerMONO: I can press Print Scrn |
| 01:51.34 | RockerMONO | fasta: ...don work here |
| 01:52.07 | fasta | RockerMONO: it depends on lots of factors, Guerin's stuff works "everywhere"(when instaled) |
| 01:52.33 | CrippsFX | I am trying to set up my laptop to work with WPA (and ndiswrapper) ... it appears as though I am able to get to the "associating" stage of using wpa_supplicant, but the authentication stage always seems to time out. Output from two different wpa_supplicant calls, wpa_cli output, wand my wpa_supplicant.conf are all located here: http://www.pastebin.ca/648237 ... could somebody help me to troubleshoot this proble |
| 01:52.34 | CrippsFX | m so I can get my wireless up and running? |
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| 02:12.33 | wiebel | does anyone know if one has to encrypt a uswsusp image if it is created in a encrypted swap? or is this rather redundand? |
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| 02:17.40 | lastnode | how is bcm4318 on deb now? ive been away for a few months and am thinking of reinstalling. just wondering if the driver is still flaky. |
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| 02:21.04 | krazykit | lastnode, their site says that 4318 is still somewhat unstable |
| 02:21.19 | lastnode | ah k |
| 02:21.26 | lastnode | meh, im stuck on winblows bc of it :( |
| 02:21.49 | krazykit | ndiswrapper didn't suck, last i used it for a bcm4318 card |
| 02:22.19 | twb | So yeah, speaking of NFS... can I export a subtree with different options, to the same hosts? |
| 02:22.43 | lastnode | krazykit, it did. constantly dorpping signal etc |
| 02:23.10 | krazykit | lastnode, interesting. i found ndiswrapper to give me a more stable connection than bcm43xx. |
| 02:23.13 | snowbird | alsa save don't hold |
| 02:23.21 | twb | Never mind, it seems to have worked. |
| 02:23.35 | lastnode | oh of course, krazykit. ndis > bcm, but it was still almost unusable at times |
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| 02:27.38 | diafic | feature request: |
| 02:27.55 | diafic | Can someone PLEASE put a copy of ssh into the busybox in debian-installer? |
| 02:28.09 | diafic | so I can atleast IRC while I'm installing? |
| 02:28.43 | stew | diafic: no, becuase busybox is GPL and ssh is not gpl compatible |
| 02:29.45 | frankr | What's a really simple way to lock my screen that doesn't require xscreensaver |
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| 02:29.53 | frankr | on dialup and I dont want to have to dl it |
| 02:29.58 | twb | frankr: C-M-backspace will kill the X server |
| 02:30.05 | diafic | I was refering to openssh-client |
| 02:30.14 | stew | diafic: yes, that is not gpl compatible |
| 02:30.22 | frankr | twb: well I want my X session to still be there, just be locked so that a password is required to open it :p |
| 02:30.24 | diafic | ... O_o |
| 02:30.39 | diafic | why is it called *open*ssh-client then? |
| 02:30.40 | twb | frankr: your only other real option is xlockmore |
| 02:30.48 | twb | diafic: because it's maintained by openbsd? |
| 02:30.51 | meretrix | diafic, open doesn't mean free |
| 02:30.59 | diafic | and thats a silly reason for it to not be included |
| 02:31.05 | twb | diafic: the openofficexml standard is produced by microsoft, and it has absolutely nothing to do with freedom |
| 02:31.07 | diafic | "The right tools for the right job" |
| 02:31.14 | stew | meretrix: open means free in this case |
| 02:31.36 | stew | there are incompatible open-source licenses, it doesnt meant that one or the other is non-free |
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| 02:31.50 | twb | diafic: well maybe when there are no more lawyers that would be a feasible position to take |
| 02:31.54 | diafic | Thats a messed up reason |
| 02:31.54 | snowbird | would new sound card help alsa hold sound settings? |
| 02:32.02 | frankr | twb: well that'll only take 6 minutes to download |
| 02:32.03 | diafic | its just silly |
| 02:32.10 | diafic | its actually making me feel sick |
| 02:32.20 | diafic | I'm off for a bit before I get any more annoyed |
| 02:32.42 | twb | diafic: you might prefer Ubuntu, where compromising fundamental freedoms in order to provide a more shiny interface is considered Best Practice. |
| 02:33.07 | meretrix | well... stew, as BSD fans say : "BSDL code is free code for software ; GPL code is code for free software".. the former sounds more like free_as_in_beer |
| 02:33.08 | stew | its not a matter of compromising freedom, its a matter of not illegally violating the gpl of busybox |
| 02:33.13 | diafic | how can you call it freedom when its limiting what you can do? Thats like being given the freedom to do fuck all |
| 02:33.16 | diafic | I'm off |
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| 02:33.49 | frankr | What is this argument about? |
| 02:33.51 | diafic | </anger> |
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| 02:34.20 | twb | frankr: diafic is upset because licensing prevents Debian from legally shipping openssh-client on the bootable part of the install cd, afaict |
| 02:34.42 | frankr | twb: huh, and why is that? |
| 02:34.57 | twb | I don't know, perhaps because he has no respect for the law? |
| 02:35.08 | abrotman | twb: it has ssh server .. why not client ? |
| 02:35.13 | diafic | THE LAW SAYS I MUST BE BORED SHITLESS DURING LENGTHY INSTALLS |
| 02:35.16 | twb | abrotman: ask stew. |
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| 02:35.20 | diafic | ;; |
| 02:35.26 | frankr | No, why is it that Debian cannot legally ship openssh-client on the bootable part of the install cd |
| 02:35.30 | meretrix | diafic, stop thinking software developers owe you everything |
| 02:35.32 | diafic | dialup is no fun |
| 02:35.42 | abrotman | twb: ask stew what .. you can run the install over ssh |
| 02:35.43 | frankr | diafic: you're damn right its not |
| 02:35.53 | diafic | They don't owe me *shit* |
| 02:36.15 | diafic | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.28 | frankr | twb: ^? |
| 02:36.29 | meretrix | ok, apologies then diafic, |
| 02:36.39 | abrotman | twb: and the install manual even tells you how to do it |
| 02:36.42 | meretrix | but do you understand the philosophical differences between GPL and BSD licences ? |
| 02:37.05 | meretrix | they're clearly uncompatible |
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| 02:37.46 | twb | incompatible. |
| 02:37.48 | frankr | damn its gonna take 17 minutes to download lynx |
| 02:37.59 | abrotman | yay for 2400 baud! |
| 02:38.01 | meretrix | thanks twb... french guy here ^^ |
| 02:38.08 | twb | frankr: so queue up a bunch of downloads then go to be |
| 02:38.10 | twb | *bed |
| 02:38.23 | frankr | getting 3861bytes per second right now |
| 02:38.37 | frankr | I could, but I'm sharing this internet with 3 other people :P |
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| 02:40.07 | twb | frankr: tell them to install QoS, then |
| 02:40.18 | stew | hmm, actually maybe openssh-client is all 3-clause bsd |
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| 02:41.19 | stew | woah, a piece of ssh is beer-ware, didn't know if that was allowed |
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| 02:43.24 | stew | twb: openssh-client could be on the install cd, just not part of busybox, afaict |
| 02:44.23 | CrippsFX | lastnode, yeah, I'm on debian using ndiswrapper for my bcm4318 ... only downside right now is figuring out the right shit for wpa_Supplicant ;) |
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| 02:45.09 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:45.19 | CrippsFX | * abrotman drinks more ssh! |
| 02:45.22 | abrotman | CrippsFX: bcm43xx doesn't work ? |
| 02:45.38 | twb | stew: fair enough. |
| 02:45.41 | CrippsFX | abrotman, doesn't work reliably for me. |
| 02:45.47 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:45.50 | CrippsFX | abrotman, debian etch amd64 |
| 02:45.59 | stew | twb: the problem is that to include ssh in busybox it would have to like against openssl which has the advertising clause |
| 02:46.06 | stew | ^like^link |
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| 02:46.38 | abrotman | stew: so how do they get away with the ssh install on the netinst ? |
| 02:46.58 | abrotman | ssh server install |
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| 02:47.33 | stew | abrotman: the same way they can have them on the same mirror, or on the same cd. that isn't a problem, its when you are trying to compile busybox and link it against openssl in order to get ssh into busybox |
| 02:47.42 | s0n1 | someone knows why my st0 /dev/.static/dev/ |
| 02:47.43 | s0n1 | ? |
| 02:47.45 | s0n1 | zfoccus:/dev# ./MAKEDEV st0 |
| 02:47.58 | s0n1 | udev active, devices will be created in /dev/.static/dev/ |
| 02:47.59 | abrotman | stew: so if they can have ssh-server on the netinst and run that .. why not ssh-client ? |
| 02:48.10 | s0n1 | why st0 in /dev/st0 |
| 02:48.11 | s0n1 | ? |
| 02:48.22 | CrippsFX | has anyone had issues before where wpa_supplicant should be associating to a wpa-psk AP, but "<2>Authentication with 00:00:00:00:00:00 timed out" ? |
| 02:48.31 | abrotman | s0n1: don't use that one |
| 02:48.32 | stew | abrotman: they can. that is not a problem. they can't add it to busybox |
| 02:48.47 | abrotman | okay then |
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| 02:56.38 | dds | umm, what happened to README.Debian for apache2 in etch!? |
| 02:57.01 | tonsofpcs | i'm guessing it changed to README |
| 02:57.48 | dds | locate '*apache*/*README*' finds /usr/share/apache2/error/README, /usr/share/apache2/icons/README, and /usr/share/apache2/icons/small/README.txt |
| 02:58.17 | stew | dds: "find /usr/share/doc/ -path /usr/share/doc/apache\* -name README.Debian\*" finds them in both apache2 and apache2.2-common |
| 02:58.23 | dds | and that's with apache2, apache2-doc, apache2-mpm-prefork, apache2-utils, apache2.2-common, and libapache2-mod-php5 installeed |
| 02:58.43 | dds | stew: versions? I'm 2.2.3-4 which is current for etch |
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| 02:59.25 | stew | dds: yeah, i'm looking at newer ones |
| 02:59.47 | dds | how is that not an RC? |
| 02:59.59 | dds | argh. |
| 03:00.09 | stew | dds: there is no policy requiring a README.Debian or anything |
| 03:01.02 | dds | stew: yeah.. but while it's not a violation of policy, it violates the spirit of the policy to have such a non-standard configuration system without documentation describing it in the stable release. |
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| 03:01.45 | dds | I'm a long time user and comfortable with it and here I am about to forward some paths to documentation to a newbie and the files aren't there in etch.. |
| 03:01.47 | dds | argh. |
| 03:02.10 | matadon | Fucking Windows. Changing hardware on Linux: Just boot. With XP Pro, you need a fucking miracle to get it working again. |
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| 03:03.07 | CrippsFX | matadon, depends on the hardware ;) |
| 03:03.34 | stew | dds: i don't know what 'spirit of policy'. but it doesn't violate policy and it doesn't make the package unusable. I would guess that bug would be wishlist or minor at worst. its not something that should have either keep apache2 from being included in etch or held up the release of etch |
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| 03:04.50 | seth1248 | What do I need to install so that I can use fat32 with gparted? |
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| 03:05.32 | dds | stew: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=419552 |
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| 03:06.13 | matadon | CrippsFX: On any normal hardware, swapping a hard drive into a new box 'just works' with Linux. Do it all the time on failed 1U boxen. |
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| 03:10.31 | DragonD | exit |
| 03:10.33 | DragonD | oops |
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| 03:12.21 | seth1248 | Can anyone tell me what package I need to install in order to create a fat32 partition with gparted? |
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| 03:19.48 | Rusty1 | seth1248: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/documentation.php |
| 03:20.22 | erpo | I need to upload a large file via FTP from my residential broadband connection. The ftp command can do this, but it consumes all of my upstream bandwidth, which blocks or greatly slows all of my other Internet activities. How can I throttle the upload to a reasonable speed? |
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| 03:34.53 | diafic | how do I change the dns server my machine uses permantantly? |
| 03:35.02 | diafic | /etc/resolve.conf changes each reboot |
| 03:35.34 | mmnicolas | diafic: specify it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:35.37 | erpo | diafic: Why does it change after each reboot? Are you using DHCP? |
| 03:35.40 | diafic | how? |
| 03:35.44 | diafic | erpo yes |
| 03:35.56 | diafic | but the provided DNS is shockingly unreliable |
| 03:36.13 | diafic | I'm thinking about setting up an internal DNS server just to evade my ISP's |
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| 03:39.52 | erpo | diafic: I just did that, actually. |
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| 03:40.37 | diafic | erpo, huh? |
| 03:40.51 | diafic | oh, you set up a DNS server? |
| 03:40.57 | diafic | What did you use? |
| 03:40.59 | jmd | Anyone know of a package which is capable of converting docbook to postscript, pdf, dvi or some other readable format? |
| 03:41.04 | diafic | The unwieldly bind? |
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| 03:42.53 | erpo | diafic: Heck no. dnsmasq. |
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| 03:44.37 | erpo | diafic: I wrote an email to my LUG about how I did it. I'll put it on pastebin for you. |
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| 03:46.13 | mystic_pinguin | why in ubuntu i can install the ati driver kernel very well and in the debian is complicated? :x |
| 03:46.19 | mystic_pinguin | o0 |
| 03:46.20 | mystic_pinguin | 0o |
| 03:47.41 | erpo | mystic_pinguin: Probably because someone put some time/work into making it easy in Ubuntu. |
| 03:48.06 | erpo | diafic: http://pastebin.com/m177a7912 |
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| 03:51.14 | diafic_ | "meow?" |
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| 03:52.31 | erpo | diafic_: Did you get my URL? |
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| 03:53.18 | utopia_ | hey guys :) |
| 03:53.31 | utopia_ | anybody have exprience enabling support for a creative PD1001 webcam? |
| 03:53.37 | diafic_ | erpo, no |
| 03:53.43 | infernal_jesus | 'm gone |
| 03:53.53 | infernal_jesus | oops |
| 03:54.24 | erpo | diafic_: http://pastebin.com/m177a7912 |
| 03:54.46 | diafic_ | thanks |
| 03:55.49 | erpo | diafic_: np |
| 03:56.08 | diafic_ | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6933859.stm oww my brain |
| 03:56.40 | diafic_ | Yes, lets state the obvious. Seeing as IBM/Lenovo actually actively develop(ed) linux... |
| 03:56.49 | diafic_ | and I hate the way they keep calling it "The linux OS" |
| 03:56.55 | diafic_ | like there's just the one of them |
| 03:57.18 | diafic_ | oooh, nice howto |
| 03:57.24 | diafic_ | I'll give that a go |
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| 04:01.05 | erpo | diafic_: Well, one "Linux OS" is what non-Linux people expect, and the existence of more than one distro creates problems that, IMHO, Linux newbies find anywhere between irritating and intolerable. |
| 04:01.27 | diafic_ | Someone should make a pamplet |
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| 04:01.41 | diafic_ | "So you're pissed off with windows: A guide to the world of Linux" |
| 04:02.28 | f00li5h | i'd buy that for a dollar. |
| 04:02.40 | diafic_ | is f00li5h a bot? |
| 04:02.50 | f00li5h | i'm not a bot, i'm a real boy |
| 04:03.03 | utopia_ | if i want to remove all libusb & all its dependencies, is there an easier way to do this other then aptitude remove <list of pakages> |
| 04:03.08 | utopia_ | like a -d option or someting? |
| 04:03.08 | diafic_ | thats not helping :| |
| 04:03.22 | f00li5h | diafic_: ^_^ |
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| 04:03.37 | erpo | diafic_: Try a captcha. |
| 04:03.48 | diafic_ | ... ;_; f00li5h is confusing me ;; |
| 04:03.50 | tcsetattr | just say aptitude remove libusb, doesn't that automatically nuke the rest of them? |
| 04:03.53 | diafic_ | erpo, whut? |
| 04:04.05 | erpo | utopia_: You mean all of the things on which libusb depends or all of the things that depend on libusb? |
| 04:04.22 | utopia_ | tcsetattr, nope :( |
| 04:04.25 | erpo | diafic_: A captcha. A simple problem that can be solved easily by a person but would be difficult for a computer. |
| 04:04.29 | tcsetattr | oh you're going the other direction. |
| 04:04.37 | utopia_ | erpo, all of the things that libusb depends on |
| 04:04.37 | f00li5h | diafic_: i'm just playing with you, i'm a buubot svn co svn://erxz.com/bb2/trunk |
| 04:04.39 | erpo | diafic_: To find out if f00li5h is a bot. |
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| 04:05.17 | f00li5h | one plus one is two, two and two is four |
| 04:05.29 | utopia_ | two & two is twenty two ;P |
| 04:05.36 | diafic_ | f00li5h, what is the time? |
| 04:05.41 | f00li5h | Tue Aug 7 14:02:05 EST 2007 |
| 04:05.43 | erpo | utopia_: That's harder. I've asked for help doing similar things in the past and none of the suggested commands have worked for me. |
| 04:05.48 | diafic_ | Bot. |
| 04:05.57 | f00li5h | i mean <_< nothing. |
| 04:06.03 | diafic_ | hyoomans would say like "5:06" |
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| 04:06.07 | utopia_ | erpo, ohh crap :( alright, so listing the packagesby name then? |
| 04:06.20 | diafic_ | usually not paste 'date' |
| 04:06.31 | f00li5h | diafic_: /exec -o date |
| 04:06.32 | diafic_ | f00li5h! you confuse me! |
| 04:06.34 | diafic_ | ;; |
| 04:06.39 | diafic_ | f00li5h, ssh |
| 04:06.43 | diafic_ | Tue Aug 7 05:07:18 BST 2007 |
| 04:06.46 | diafic_ | wow, it works |
| 04:06.48 | diafic_ | o_o |
| 04:06.57 | diafic_ | 48432-Aquarius.svg |
| 04:06.58 | diafic_ | DEFCON_KEY |
| 04:06.58 | diafic_ | Desktop |
| 04:06.58 | diafic_ | server |
| 04:06.58 | diafic_ | uphuck_10.4.9_v1.4i_r2.iso |
| 04:06.58 | diafic_ | uphuck_10.4.9_v1.4i_r2.iso.zip |
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| 04:07.04 | erpo | utopia_: I'm sorry, but I don't have a good solution to that problem. |
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| 04:07.10 | diafic_ | haha, wow |
| 04:07.15 | f00li5h | tehe |
| 04:07.23 | utopia_ | erpo, i wish apt-* did :| |
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| 04:07.44 | erpo | utopia_: You might want to try apt-get autoremove. Sometimes that helps. |
| 04:08.19 | tcsetattr | all the aptitude groupies say it automatically removes reverse dependencies that were installed automatically |
| 04:08.23 | erpo | f00li5h: Now I'm curious. Here, answer this question: How much money do you think your house is worth? |
| 04:08.24 | utopia_ | erpo, ok thanks |
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| 04:08.41 | f00li5h | erpo: i rent. |
| 04:08.53 | erpo | f00li5h: Ok, you pass anyway. |
| 04:09.14 | f00li5h | horray! now can I sign up for your formum already? |
| 04:09.39 | erpo | f00li5h: No, but if you tell me you're a person I'll believe you. |
| 04:10.02 | diafic_ | OK, f00li5h, you really do confuse me |
| 04:10.12 | f00li5h | If i'm a person i'll be expected to contribute meaninful conversation |
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| 04:10.29 | diafic_ | I can't tell if you're a bot trying to be human or a human talking like a bot trying to be human ;; |
| 04:10.52 | erpo | diafic_: He's a person. He understood my question about his home. |
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| 04:11.02 | f00li5h | the test would be to find out if i have support for factoids |
| 04:11.34 | erpo | f00li5h: _I_ have support for factoids, and I'm a person. |
| 04:11.48 | f00li5h | erpo: meow is milk and nip for @kitties; |
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| 04:11.51 | f00li5h | erpo: meow? |
| 04:12.24 | erpo | f00li5h: I've been told that meow is milk and nip for @kitties. |
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| 04:12.39 | f00li5h | ^_^ |
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| 04:17.35 | grendal_prime | what in the hell are you people talking about |
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| 04:21.25 | diafic_ | grendal_prime, I haven't got a clue |
| 04:21.32 | erpo | grendal_prime: We were Turing testing f00li5h. |
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| 04:30.08 | endra | how can I check if firmware was 'hotplugged' |
| 04:30.59 | erpo | endra: Hardware is hotplugged, not firmware. What hardware are you using? |
| 04:31.28 | endra | IPW3945. I need to place the ucode in /lib/firmware and wait for it to be 'hotplugged'. |
| 04:32.48 | endra | The issue is that the driver loads, not sure about the ucode, but no interface. |
| 04:33.11 | erpo | endra: Check dmesg. The driver will complain there if it can't/won't load the firmware. |
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| 04:34.45 | endra | erpo: say it wasn't complaining, then what? |
| 04:35.58 | erpo | endra: What is the output of ifconfig. Are you sure there's no interface? |
| 04:36.14 | endra | I am positive. |
| 04:36.38 | erpo | endra: Is your physical wireless switch on? |
| 04:36.52 | endra | Usually, it says 'Kill switch on' when I switch it off. But it is not doing that anymore. |
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| 04:37.48 | erpo | endra: What says "kill switch on"? |
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| 04:38.04 | endra | 'dmesg' would display saying I the switch was used. |
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| 04:40.03 | ozatomic^ | i can ping domain names fine but my exim4 setup wont compelte dns lookups |
| 04:40.08 | ozatomic^ | but it was working yesterday |
| 04:40.14 | ozatomic^ | how can i flush or something teh dns servers |
| 04:41.32 | erpo | endra: What kind of computer are you using? |
| 04:41.46 | endra | I am using a Toshiba P100 Satellite Laptop |
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| 04:41.56 | endra | Yes, it has worked before. |
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| 04:43.27 | erpo | endra: What have you done since the last time it worked? |
| 04:43.42 | endra | Installed ArchLinux |
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| 04:44.39 | erpo | endra: Ah. |
| 04:45.03 | endra | Is that a 'Ah, I know what's wrong' or a 'Ah, why is he bothering us with arch linux stuff.' |
| 04:45.04 | erpo | endra: How's your CPU usage? |
| 04:45.04 | endra | :P |
| 04:45.48 | erpo | endra: Actually, I don't use debian. I hang out in here because everyone in #ubuntu is bonkers or stone-ignorant. |
| 04:46.14 | endra | Ah |
| 04:46.26 | endra | I don't know how to verify CPU usage. |
| 04:46.32 | erpo | endra: top |
| 04:46.53 | endra | load average: 0.00 0.03 0.04 |
| 04:47.48 | endra | Nothing is going on really, I've just been compiling small things to get my wifi to work. |
| 04:47.51 | erpo | Hmm... |
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| 04:49.20 | erpo | endra: I found a bug report online where the ipw3945 driver uses 100% CPU time and no interface gets created on Archlinux. But it sounds like you're not having that problem. |
| 04:49.35 | endra | I think the issue is that it is not loading the firmware |
| 04:49.39 | erpo | Did you follow the instructions here: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wireless_Setup#ipw3945 |
| 04:49.49 | endra | Oh yes, many times. |
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| 04:49.57 | erpo | endra: Apparently, ipw3945 requires a daemon as well as binary firmware. |
| 04:50.02 | endra | At this moment, I've actually compiled everything manually. |
| 04:50.33 | erpo | endra: Did you compile your own kernel? |
| 04:50.37 | endra | No |
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| 04:50.57 | ozatomic^ | "defer (-1): host lookup did not complete" why would this happen in exim4, i can dig and host and ping the domain names but it wont send them |
| 04:51.03 | erpo | endra: Did you compile the ipw3945 driver manually? |
| 04:51.04 | datadr|nker | will grub boot windows vista if i install debian etch on top of it? |
| 04:51.14 | endra | erpo: no. I compiled the iwlwifi driver manually. |
| 04:51.22 | erpo | datadr|nker: I think so. |
| 04:51.29 | datadr|nker | hm |
| 04:51.31 | endra | .. which is a new ipw3945. I will try ipw3945 now. |
| 04:51.44 | endra | One thing first though. |
| 04:51.55 | endra | I have the file /lib/udev/firmware.sh |
| 04:51.57 | datadr|nker | endra: you might notice that iwlwifi is meant for an entirely new wireless stack than the old ipw3945 driver |
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| 04:52.12 | endra | It seems to have the FIRMWARE_DIR I read about for hotplugging firmware |
| 04:52.17 | erpo | endra: Also, iwlwifi is reported to be in development. |
| 04:52.24 | datadr|nker | yeah, unstable |
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| 04:52.32 | endra | But when I run ./firmware.sh, it says 'udev firmware loader misses sysfs directory' |
| 04:52.44 | datadr|nker | it uses the new mac80211 subsystem in kernel 2.6.22 apparently |
| 04:52.58 | datadr|nker | so if you arent running kernel 2.6.22, apparently you cannot run "iwlwifi" |
| 04:53.05 | endra | Okay. Question for you guys. If I did 'make install' to install it a module, how can I remove it? |
| 04:53.28 | erpo | endra: make uninstall or make remove. I forget which. |
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| 04:55.44 | endra | thank you |
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| 04:56.15 | utopia_ | cd /usr/ports/libs/libusb/;make remove; |
| 04:56.17 | utopia_ | i wish :( |
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| 04:56.49 | triplc | hi All |
| 04:57.39 | x86eon | I have recently installed postfix an dovecot on my server and have chosen to store mail in the user's home directories under .mail (in Maildir format). However, the mail command no longer functions and reports that there is no new mail for the user. What needs to be changed? |
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| 04:58.21 | triplc | (new-bie question) how to set dns-server in Debian Etch? I used to write things on "/etc/resolv.conf"... but it does not work for this newly installed server, because the /etc/resolv.conf is reset after reboot. I think I should write the settings to another file... but do now know which one. |
| 04:58.27 | datadr|nker | will GRUB in debian etch chainboot vista? |
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| 04:59.19 | erpo | triplc: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:59.30 | simonrvn | triplc: that's the right file. you probably have resolvconf installed, that would overwrite manual changes |
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| 05:00.17 | triplc | simonrvn, uh oh... so can I savely remove that "resolvconf" package? |
| 05:01.06 | simonrvn | usually yes. there's a couple things that depends on it, or recommend it (latter case won't matter if you remove it) |
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| 05:02.03 | triplc | simonrvn, i just remove it... hope that no problem will happen :-) |
| 05:02.25 | simonrvn | ok, just check your resolv.conf make sure it's ok |
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| 05:08.40 | gonzaloaf | hi, I have copied many files to my usb then I have unplugged my usb key while unmounting it, now when I want to delete those files it says "cannot remove file X: Read-only file system", what can I do? |
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| 05:09.16 | datadr|nker | will GRUB in debian etch chainboot vista? |
| 05:09.19 | jmd | gonzaloaf: unmount it, and remount it read-write. |
| 05:09.45 | zinx | data: yes |
| 05:09.46 | gonzaloaf | jmd, it is mounted as read-write |
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| 05:22.45 | hyper_ch | why is apache losing grounds to IIS? ;( |
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| 05:23.08 | Supaplex | because #apache hates us? |
| 05:23.25 | datadr|nker | why would apache hate debian |
| 05:23.28 | datadr|nker | debian ships with apache |
| 05:23.35 | wastrod | that should be conforting that iis is gaining ground |
| 05:23.47 | wastrod | that means your competitors will be even less capable |
| 05:23.50 | frankr | what package is vi in |
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| 05:23.58 | Supaplex | they don't appriciate how we modded it |
| 05:24.06 | frankr | ah wait |
| 05:24.08 | frankr | its vim nvm |
| 05:24.33 | frankr | are you serious? vim takes 25mb of space? |
| 05:24.37 | frankr | screw that, I'm using ed |
| 05:24.50 | Supaplex | not vi-tiny? |
| 05:25.35 | Supaplex | vim-tiny - Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor - compact version |
| 05:25.39 | Supaplex | my bad. vim-tiny. |
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| 05:26.02 | frankr | still 1.6mb haha |
| 05:26.19 | frankr | ed is 39k :P |
| 05:26.46 | frankr | a friend of my father's gave him a bunch of old berkely unix manuals and I've been reading them.. I just read the page on ed |
| 05:27.39 | meretrix | nano lacks one crucial feature imho , line numbering |
| 05:28.01 | hyper_ch | meretrix: yeah, that's true ;( but for quick edits in the shell it's ok |
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| 05:28.26 | x86eon | I have never use a text editor other than vim |
| 05:28.37 | maxamillion | meretrix: well, that and syntax highlighting ... but that why we just use vim |
| 05:28.38 | x86eon | Unless Microsoft Word counts :P |
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| 05:28.57 | maxamillion | x86eon: i've used many, but the more i use vim the more i realize i want its features in other apps i use |
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| 05:29.21 | hyper_ch | maxamillion: you're also here? |
| 05:29.42 | tcsetattr | frankr, I assume you've seen the famous "mighty ed" article? |
| 05:29.50 | maxamillion | hyper_ch: i'm often lurking ... been busy lately so i haven't been able to chat a whole lot, but yes ... i'm around :) |
| 05:30.10 | hyper_ch | ah, anyway, I'm off to work... cya |
| 05:30.28 | meretrix | (maxamillion : it has basic syntax highlighting capabilities, there are lines you can uncomment in nano.conf in Debian) |
| 05:30.46 | x86eon | Ed is 39k? I have just received a report that in OpenBSD, it's 160k |
| 05:31.10 | x86eon | Theo must have thought something about it was insecure |
| 05:31.53 | maxamillion | meretrix: oh, that i wasn't aware of |
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| 05:34.27 | frankr_ | ah |
| 05:34.29 | frankr_ | dialup fail |
| 05:34.31 | frankr_ | s |
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| 05:35.56 | maxamillion | frankr_: as does cellular network internet (ironically my primary internet connection done through some horrible linking of obscure hardware) |
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| 05:37.55 | simonrvn | /etc/nanorc |
| 05:39.00 | meretrix | d'oh, nanorc indeed |
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| 05:41.15 | synx | Suddenly ffmpeg can't encode msmpeg4v2. wtf? |
| 05:41.23 | synx | It only lists it as decoding. |
| 05:41.37 | synx | Nearly everything in fact, even straight mpeg4 |
| 05:41.51 | synx | Can encode to flv...? |
| 05:42.20 | synx | There's no Debian license legal thingy going on there, is there? |
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| 05:43.09 | simonrvn | *shrug* changelog? |
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| 05:44.39 | piper69 | is there is a way i can disable the question that vncserver ask me when i try to connect |
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| 05:45.06 | synx | "Add debian/strip.sh to strip ffmpeg upstream source disabling mpeg based encoders as discussed with ftp-master at debconf7" :( |
| 05:45.39 | piper69 | everytime i connect , i have to go to the vncserver hosted box and click on allow, otherwise it will not connect |
| 05:46.20 | synx | No mention anywhere besides that. Who's ftp-master, and where's debconf7? |
| 05:47.40 | synx | Bleh, debconf7 is some convention somewhere. |
| 05:48.43 | phorce1 | running Debian on a Sun E450. Installed a SATA card. The Sparc has no clue it is there while in the OBP doing a probe-scsi. When the linux kernel fires up it grabs it as the FIRST SCSI controller. That makes the SATA drive become /dev/sda which is not how it was installed so things get freaky. Any way to make Debian (the kernel) move it down so the SATA drives are added at the end of the chain during boot? Actually, I'd like ANY new drives added to the end o |
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| 05:50.45 | synx | ftp-master is a group that remove source-less packages... so mpeg4 doesn't have source code suddenly? That can't be right... |
| 05:51.04 | Supaplex | phorce1: mmm udev hopefully |
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| 05:52.00 | piper69 | question- i am pretty new about all this, i have apache server running behind a router. router IP(192.168.1.1), apache box(192.168.1.104), IP from ISP (2x.xx.xx.xx). i was trying to access it from work today so i simply put the 2x.xx.xx.xx on the browser and ofcourse it didn't work. what am i doing wrong |
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| 05:53.07 | synx | http://petition.eurolinux.org/pr/pr18.html?NO_COOKIE=true |
| 05:53.09 | piper69 | do i need to forward port 80 from the router to port 80 on the 192.168.1.104? |
| 05:53.30 | synx | Looks like as of 2002, the fascists started attacking, so that's probably a consequence of last week's pull of all mpeg4 stuff. |
| 05:54.21 | phorce1 | Supaplex: that's what jm_ is telling me over on the OFTC channel |
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| 05:56.06 | synx | well screw my mouthflapping MS loving friends, I'll do it in theora then godblamit. |
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| 05:56.20 | piper69 | !sudo |
| 05:56.21 | dpkg | i heard sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 05:59.58 | philips | What can you do if there is a broken package remove script? Is there a way to force it? I have tried dpkg --remove --force-all to no avail. |
| 05:59.59 | endra | hey |
| 06:00.05 | endra | why arent my changes being written to the sd disk |
| 06:00.05 | endra | ? |
| 06:00.27 | frankr | endra: you mean, you copy a file to it then take it out and put it in another comp and it isn't there? |
| 06:00.32 | endra | yes |
| 06:00.35 | endra | whats with that? |
| 06:00.44 | frankr | I've had that problem a lot, so usually I just wait until the light stops blinking and then wait another minute then take it out |
| 06:01.18 | endra | my light doesnt blink |
| 06:01.32 | synx | bleh, theora still sucks. |
| 06:01.44 | frankr | well then just wait 2 minutes after it says the file transfer is completed |
| 06:01.55 | endra | it doesn't say that? |
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| 06:02.29 | endra | I'll copy it via console |
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| 06:04.16 | Aaron_ | hey |
| 06:04.22 | Aaron_ | can someone help me out with the Nvidia? drivers please? |
| 06:04.30 | tcsetattr | philips, you can edit the prerm (or postrm) script in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 06:04.42 | dragon | can someone join #flood for one min? |
| 06:04.50 | streuner_ | Aaron: from there website? |
| 06:04.56 | dragon | so i can pasted the error message that i've got while running the module. nvidia on the xorg.conf |
| 06:05.00 | simonrvn | !tell dragon -about nvidia one-liner |
| 06:05.02 | dragon | streuner_: what website? |
| 06:05.07 | simonrvn | streuner_: 'their' |
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| 06:06.12 | dragon | i've pasted it already the error message on #flood |
| 06:06.14 | streuner_ | Aaron: doesn't "nv" work for you? |
| 06:06.15 | dragon | any ideas? |
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| 06:06.20 | dragon | streuner_: yeah it does |
| 06:06.21 | simonrvn | so you built it? |
| 06:06.27 | piper69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.28 | dragon | simonrvn: yeah with the apt, |
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| 06:06.59 | simonrvn | dragon: that's not building it. you need to kernel driver too; see what the dpkg bot told you in PRIVMSG |
| 06:07.16 | dragon | simonrvn: i did download the kernel source, |
| 06:07.18 | dragon | do i need to reboot? |
| 06:07.22 | simonrvn | no |
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| 06:07.29 | dragon | hmm okey, |
| 06:07.29 | simonrvn | so you built it? |
| 06:07.33 | dragon | yeah simonrvn |
| 06:07.43 | dragon | everytime i built it, never works, |
| 06:07.44 | simonrvn | ok, and you installed the resulting deb? |
| 06:07.45 | streuner_ | Aaron: so read /usr/share/doc/<nvidia-glx>/README.Debian and listen to simonrvn |
| 06:07.52 | dragon | i must be doing something wrong |
| 06:08.04 | dragon | simonrvn: yeah the kernel-source, and all the nvidia packages |
| 06:08.23 | simonrvn | ok, try doing this (as root/ using sudo) depmod -Aa |
| 06:08.40 | streuner_ | Aaron: simonrvn> !tell dragon -about nvidia one-liner |
| 06:08.40 | dragon | simonrvn: i get nothing |
| 06:08.41 | simonrvn | then try modprobe nvidia again |
| 06:08.49 | simonrvn | that's ok |
| 06:09.00 | dragon | same error, simonrvn |
| 06:09.12 | simonrvn | is it showing in lsmod? |
| 06:09.23 | dragon | nvidia 7249460 0 |
| 06:09.24 | dragon | yeap |
| 06:09.27 | simonrvn | also, you sure you got the right version for your video card? |
| 06:09.30 | simonrvn | cool |
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| 06:09.53 | simonrvn | (it being present in kernel mem would imply it is, but just to be sure) |
| 06:10.26 | dragon | simonrvn: yeap |
| 06:10.40 | dragon | nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] |
| 06:10.42 | dragon | that's my video card (: |
| 06:10.44 | simonrvn | hmm, log said 'driver'.... |
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| 06:11.19 | dragon | simonrvn: any ideas? |
| 06:11.21 | simonrvn | !tell joys -about root |
| 06:11.22 | piper69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:11.28 | simonrvn | sec checking something |
| 06:11.33 | dragon | alrighty thanks |
| 06:12.32 | simonrvn | dragon: ls -l /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so return anything? |
| 06:12.50 | dragon | ls: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so: No such file or directory |
| 06:12.59 | simonrvn | that would be your problem |
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| 06:13.11 | simonrvn | you need nvidia-glx installed. is it? |
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| 06:13.26 | simonrvn | (probably not ;) |
| 06:13.37 | dragon | nope is not |
| 06:13.54 | dragon | blah |
| 06:13.56 | dragon | now is working =) |
| 06:14.10 | simonrvn | cool :) |
| 06:14.14 | simonrvn | have fun ;) |
| 06:15.23 | Marenz | Hi there |
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| 06:15.48 | piper69 | am i asking the wrong question today? |
| 06:15.55 | Marenz | my /etc/shadow was empty.. couldn't log in anymore. i recreate root and my user and set new pws usinga rescue system |
| 06:16.09 | Marenz | but the user still can't log in in X |
| 06:16.18 | Marenz | (strange thing is, root can) |
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| 06:16.36 | Guerin | Marenz: sounds like you probably want to reinstall |
| 06:16.40 | piper69 | Marenz check groups |
| 06:17.06 | Guerin | Marenz: you might be able to retrieve some of your system files from /var/backups - but wtf happened to them anyway? |
| 06:17.42 | piper69 | Guerin are you in a mood to answer some off my questions today |
| 06:17.43 | piper69 | :) |
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| 06:17.56 | Marenz | because of an emty shadow reinstallinG? it were the debian ppl that told me, you don'T have to reinstall linux when there are problems. Yes in bakcups there are useful files for that, ty |
| 06:17.56 | Guerin | not really |
| 06:18.13 | simonrvn | piper69: nah, i've only used vncserver a few times, but i haven't seen that AFAICR |
| 06:18.23 | Guerin | Marenz: well ... you probably don't, but depending what's wrong it might be easier to do so |
| 06:18.38 | Guerin | and i get very flighty when things go wrong with shadow |
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| 06:18.39 | piper69 | ;) |
| 06:18.40 | Marenz | i have no idea what happened :/ |
| 06:18.56 | Guerin | yeah, see - that ain't good, hackers, that ain't good |
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| 06:19.42 | simonrvn | Marenz: i'd seriously consider checking what modified /etc/shadow (i.e. audit your box entirely, and seriously consider a reinstall) |
| 06:20.03 | piper69 | what does Prisoners use to call each others? |
| 06:20.10 | Marenz | well this is a nerw installed laptop |
| 06:20.17 | Marenz | hardly had external access |
| 06:20.39 | simonrvn | audit anyway, JIC |
| 06:20.54 | simonrvn | better paranoid than sorry ;) :P |
| 06:21.27 | Marenz | hmm the user still can't login :/ x accepts the pw, trys to start and then returns to the login |
| 06:21.29 | Marenz | root works |
| 06:21.47 | piper69 | the answer is : cell phones |
| 06:21.50 | Guerin | it's like if your piss starts to hurt - it only takes one drunken experience, y'know. Go see the dick doc. |
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| 06:22.03 | simonrvn | hehe dick doc |
| 06:22.15 | simonrvn | urologist? =) |
| 06:22.46 | Guerin | that's a euphemism for `evil bastard who sticks things up holes which shouldn't have things stuck up' as I understand |
| 06:23.13 | simonrvn | kind like when i got tested for various STDs.... FUCK THAT HURTS! |
| 06:23.20 | Guerin | Marenz: read the x logs, it might be something harmless |
| 06:23.31 | simonrvn | hopefulyl |
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| 06:24.35 | Marenz | hmm there is a backtrace in the log |
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| 06:24.54 | Marenz | Fatal Error: Caught Signal 11. |
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| 06:27.38 | Guerin | yay segfault1 |
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| 06:27.47 | Guerin | Marenz: what throws that? X? |
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| 06:29.03 | Mitchbbaker | hello all i am having a problem with shutting down. whenever i shut down when it gets to HDA the system halts and just sits there. any ideas? |
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| 06:29.20 | Guerin | Marenz: enable acpi, if you can. |
| 06:29.33 | Guerin | Mitchbbaker: you do that instead ^^ |
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| 06:29.42 | Mitchbbaker | ok |
| 06:30.04 | Mitchbbaker | sorry i am very new yo linux what is acpi and how do i enable it |
| 06:30.08 | Mitchbbaker | *ta |
| 06:30.13 | Mitchbbaker | *ta |
| 06:30.18 | Mitchbbaker | *to |
| 06:31.15 | Guerin | Mitchbbaker: acpi is a powermanagement subsystem, and you probably need to enable it in BIOS |
| 06:31.35 | Guerin | some (mosly older) motherboards don't really do it well; in those cases try using APM instead |
| 06:31.54 | Mitchbbaker | ok how do you do that, and will it disrupt windows? |
| 06:32.27 | Mitchbbaker | it is at least 4 yrs old |
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| 06:34.27 | pyrohotdog | How can I make my desktop wallpaper random from an image folder? |
| 06:34.55 | Mitchbbaker | ok so how do you enable it and which one do you want me to de? |
| 06:35.02 | Mitchbbaker | *do |
| 06:35.42 | Mitchbbaker | Guerin ? |
| 06:35.51 | Guerin | Mitchbbaker: you go into BIOS. reboot and hit `del' or `f2' or something at boot. If you've never done, this, consult your motherboard manual. |
| 06:35.57 | irwiss | pyrohotdog; apt-cache show wallpaper-tray |
| 06:36.02 | Mitchbbaker | oh i have done it before |
| 06:36.05 | Mitchbbaker | just never this bit |
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| 06:36.32 | Guerin | Mitchbbaker: well, if acpi is off, turn it on - if it's on and you have seetings for apm, try apm instead. |
| 06:36.41 | Mitchbbaker | ok |
| 06:36.46 | Guerin | ultimately it just might not work, but these are things to try |
| 06:36.51 | Mitchbbaker | ok |
| 06:37.06 | Mitchbbaker | if this doesn't work are there any other thing? |
| 06:37.10 | pyrohotdog | inwiss: wallpaper-tray is for gnome. I use XFCE. |
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| 06:37.16 | Mitchbbaker | because it was working properly before |
| 06:37.22 | samyboy | hello, does anybody here has a "@aol.com" email adress ? I want to be sure that I can send to aol users. |
| 06:37.37 | Guerin | !aolify samyboy |
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| 06:37.57 | irwiss | pyrohotdog; Sucks to be you, I guess :P |
| 06:37.59 | Aaron_ | hey how do you start up something on gnome |
| 06:38.03 | Aaron_ | for example a program to start up |
| 06:38.07 | Guerin | Mitchbbaker: it was working on loonex before? |
| 06:38.09 | Aaron_ | when you start gnome |
| 06:38.11 | Mitchbbaker | yes it was |
| 06:38.15 | Guerin | cool |
| 06:38.25 | pyrohotdog | awesome.... |
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| 06:38.45 | Aaron_ | any ideas? |
| 06:38.56 | Mitchbbaker | i assume loonex - linux |
| 06:39.04 | Mitchbbaker | repalce - with = |
| 06:39.16 | Guerin | samyboy: yeah, i was just having a joke at your expense. I don't have one. |
| 06:39.30 | Mitchbbaker | i don't have one either |
| 06:39.56 | samyboy | pretty hard to fine someone with an aol address on freenode :P |
| 06:40.03 | Mitchbbaker | actually i think it may have started doing this after i installed kde |
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| 06:40.06 | simonrvn | !etch emacs22 |
| 06:40.06 | dpkg | http://ygingras.net/b/2007/8/emacs-22-on-debian-etch |
| 06:41.15 | Mitchbbaker | after i take notes |
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| 06:42.55 | protoloco | what are the diferences of mkdir -p | mkdir -v |
| 06:43.11 | Guerin | i would just like to alert anyone who hasn't had thai green curry recently that it's time you did |
| 06:43.18 | Guerin | goddamn, this stuff is good |
| 06:43.37 | Guerin | one of my fondest mamories of thailand, mmm |
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| 06:46.43 | dondelelcaro | protoloco: quite a bit; what in particular did you want to know about? |
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| 06:47.32 | protoloco | just the -p and -v |
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| 06:48.05 | rafuch0 | howdiknowin were pts i am writing |
| 06:48.06 | rafuch0 | ? |
| 06:48.26 | rafuch0 | my spacebaris broken :) |
| 06:49.18 | rafuch0 | i want send a message to an other pts |
| 06:49.40 | rafuch0 | i think is whit the mesg command |
| 06:49.53 | rafuch0 | but the number of the pts ..... |
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| 06:50.34 | rafuch0 | pts is the same thing that tty? |
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| 06:51.29 | simonrvn | if you have perms you can just echo some text directly to it; else use something like write or wall |
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| 06:52.08 | rafuch0 | simonrvn: canyou give an example pls? |
| 06:52.44 | simonrvn | echo "some text" >> /dev/pts/2 |
| 06:54.13 | rafuch0 | done |
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| 06:54.15 | rafuch0 | :D |
| 06:54.17 | rafuch0 | thanks |
| 06:54.40 | Mitchbbaker | hmm no good there was no acpi option and no apm option in the bios |
| 06:54.53 | Mitchbbaker | there was a suspend mode changing that did nothing |
| 06:55.11 | Mitchbbaker | its a dell A02 bios if its any help |
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| 06:56.03 | cumol | hi |
| 06:56.08 | rafuch0 | well iamgoingtobednow |
| 06:56.18 | rafuch0 | goognight |
| 06:56.25 | Mitchbbaker | night' |
| 06:56.37 | simonrvn | nini |
| 06:56.42 | Mitchbbaker | is Guerin still here? |
| 06:56.46 | cumol | i've a problem with my debian.... i try to install gnupg and it tells me |
| 06:56.47 | cumol | libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13) but 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 is to be installed |
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| 06:56.56 | musya | how do you restart your gdm or x? |
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| 06:57.17 | cast | ctrl-alt-del kills x, gdm will restart it automagically |
| 06:57.23 | Mitchbbaker | ill take that as a no |
| 06:57.28 | cast | ctrl-alt-backspace i mean |
| 06:57.37 | musya | without restarting i edited xorg.conf |
| 06:57.56 | musya | so if i do ctr-alt backspace it will restart automatically? |
| 06:57.58 | Mitchbbaker | ok whenever i shut down it gets to hda and halts there is no acpi or apm setting in the bios that i can see |
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| 06:58.20 | cast | musya: probably. |
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| 06:59.11 | utopia_ | automagically :) |
| 06:59.44 | musya | :D |
| 07:00.09 | musya | didnt work |
| 07:00.51 | Mitchbbaker | ....at least say if you can't help.... |
| 07:01.16 | cast | Mitchbbaker: but no individual can speak for the room... |
| 07:01.30 | Mitchbbaker | i mean that individual can'tr do it |
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| 07:02.04 | musya | that would be a waste of time |
| 07:02.12 | musya | because otherwise they would have said something |
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| 07:08.15 | Blackgoth | !u |
| 07:08.15 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 07:08.32 | cumol | no idea anyone? |
| 07:08.52 | twb | cumol: what a vacuous question. |
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| 07:09.39 | cumol | twb, oh, i forgot to tell my question: how does that happend and how can i fix that problem? |
| 07:10.11 | twb | cumol: I'm guessing that your sources.list is bad. |
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| 07:10.24 | twb | cumol: what does "cat /etc/debian_release" report? |
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| 07:10.41 | sdiz | !info libc6 |
| 07:10.43 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.6-5 (sid), Packaged size: 4300 kB, Installed size: 10436 kB |
| 07:10.45 | cumol | twb, i dont have that file, only "debian_version" |
| 07:10.55 | cumol | twb: and that file says "3.1" |
| 07:10.56 | twb | Sorry, that's the one |
| 07:11.00 | twb | OK. |
| 07:11.05 | sdiz | !info libc6 sarge |
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| 07:11.07 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 (sarge), Packaged size: 4771 kB, Installed size: 15320 kB |
| 07:11.10 | cumol | and in my sources.list, there a lines like "deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sarge main" |
| 07:11.11 | sdiz | !info libc6 etch |
| 07:11.13 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 (etch), Packaged size: 4590 kB, Installed size: 11032 kB |
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| 07:11.26 | twb | cumol: that's correct. |
| 07:11.33 | ccfreak2k|laptop | If I install the xorg package, what is the default window manager (if any)? |
| 07:11.35 | twb | cumol: do an apt-get update. |
| 07:11.43 | cumol | twb: 3.1 is sarge afaik... so why that error from my apt? |
| 07:11.45 | streuner_ | ccfreak2k|laptop: /msg dpkg wm |
| 07:11.52 | sdiz | cumol: you are running mixed sarge/etch ? |
| 07:12.09 | cumol | sdiz: i dont hope so, it should be plain sarge |
| 07:12.16 | streuner_ | ccfreak2k|laptop: WMs aren't part of X (server) |
| 07:12.24 | ccfreak2k|laptop | K. |
| 07:12.31 | ccfreak2k|laptop | I'm a Slackware person, not a Debian person. :| |
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| 07:12.36 | sdiz | cumol: but your apt is trying yo install 2.3.6.ds1-13 which is in etch. |
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| 07:12.57 | cumol | sdiz: thats strange, in my sources.list is no etch |
| 07:13.07 | sdiz | cumol: but your apt is trying to _remove_ 2.3.6.ds1-13 which is in etch. |
| 07:13.07 | cumol | sdiz: how can i check, if i've installed a package from etch? |
| 07:13.10 | dondelelcaro | ccfreak2k|laptop: whichever WM you install is the default. There's no need to have a WM when you install X, so there's no dependency. |
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| 07:13.32 | sdiz | apt-cache show libc6 ? |
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| 07:13.44 | streuner_ | ccfreak2k|laptop: Debian has many packages, you need for almost everything a seperat package |
| 07:14.01 | cumol | sdiz: Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 |
| 07:14.10 | sdiz | dpkg -l libc6 ? |
| 07:14.11 | dpkg | ii libc6 1.8-13.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 07:14.37 | cumol | sdiz: http://www.pastebin.ca/648407 is full paste |
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| 07:15.01 | sdiz | cumol: `dpkg -l libc6` ? |
| 07:15.10 | ccfreak2k|laptop | Does "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager" show ones that ARE installed or ones that CAN BE installed? |
| 07:15.22 | dondelelcaro | ccfreak2k|laptop: onces that can be. |
| 07:15.24 | cumol | sdiz: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 07:15.26 | dondelelcaro | s/ce/e/ |
| 07:15.39 | ccfreak2k|laptop | Ok. |
| 07:15.42 | ccfreak2k|laptop | That takes care of that then. |
| 07:15.53 | sdiz | hm... strange.. |
| 07:16.06 | sdiz | see if a `apt-get dist-upgrade` fix it.. |
| 07:16.23 | streuner_ | ccfreak2k|laptop: "dpkg -l (|grep <package>)" will show you whats installed or not |
| 07:16.33 | cumol | sdiz: but thats upgrades "me" to etch, doesnt it? |
| 07:16.49 | sdiz | you don't have etch in source.list, right? |
| 07:16.55 | cumol | sdiz: no, only sarge |
| 07:17.10 | sdiz | it won't upgrade to etch |
| 07:17.50 | cumol | sdiz: same problem "apt-get dist-upgrade" -> "libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13) but 2.3.2.ds1-22 is installed" |
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| 07:18.27 | sdiz | hm... if you are not using libc6-dev, just do a ` apt-get remove libc6-dev ` |
| 07:18.51 | sdiz | libc6-dev is for c compilers. |
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| 07:19.21 | cumol | sdiz: it complains about a lot of other (installed) -dev packages |
| 07:19.56 | cumol | sdiz: "libxv-dev: Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or libc-dev" |
| 07:20.22 | sdiz | does `apt-get upgrade` or `apt-get -f install` fix it? |
| 07:20.52 | cumol | sdiz: apt-get upgrade doesnt help... and what should i "-f install"? |
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| 07:21.56 | sdiz | cast: because apt-get is in base, but aptitude is not? |
| 07:22.10 | cast | last stable net-inst i did put aptitude on |
| 07:22.15 | cast | least, i thought it did |
| 07:22.26 | qwandor | I recently did an 'aptitude upgrade' on my Debian lenny system, and Katapult no longer works (it starts up, but nothing happens when I press Alt+Space) |
| 07:22.32 | qwandor | any ideas how to fix it? |
| 07:22.40 | cumol | sdiz: should i try "apt-get -f remove libc6-dev"? |
| 07:23.08 | lekvar | i think you get aptitude with the base install now |
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| 07:28.44 | badeball | anyone tested Acer Aspire 9410 with debian? |
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| 07:29.13 | cumol | sdiz: so, no other idea from you? |
| 07:29.21 | cast | aptitude is indeed in the base install, [just say debootstrap grab it] |
| 07:29.30 | cast | argh. saw* |
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| 07:36.05 | protoloco | how can i know what configuration file is using apache ? |
| 07:36.25 | cumol | protoloco: httpd -V should tell you |
| 07:36.49 | protoloco | cumol, comman not found |
| 07:36.59 | cumol | protoloco: then your apache isnt in your path? |
| 07:37.58 | protoloco | mm.. |
| 07:38.01 | qwandor | try /usr/sbin/apache2 -V |
| 07:38.37 | qwandor | Debian does not put sbin in the path of normal users |
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| 07:38.46 | protoloco | thanks :) |
| 07:38.52 | protoloco | with the whole path |
| 07:38.53 | protoloco | worked.. |
| 07:39.01 | protoloco | so should i added to the $PATH ? |
| 07:39.05 | protoloco | or what cumol |
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| 07:41.10 | black12313 | !ask I have a problem with acpi - on my desktop at boot it beeps and says that asus ...wireless thingy is not installed or something to that extent can some one help me ? |
| 07:41.11 | dpkg | black12313: that's too long |
| 07:41.16 | black12313 | ... sorry |
| 07:41.57 | black12313 | ok well then I am having keyboard problems with various apps ... too... can some one help me ? |
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| 07:42.31 | _Ahti | Seems you have a lot of pronlems -.- |
| 07:42.36 | _Ahti | problems* |
| 07:42.46 | black12313 | no not really |
| 07:42.49 | black12313 | justa few |
| 07:43.13 | black12313 | lol |
| 07:43.19 | _Ahti | -.- |
| 07:43.47 | black12313 | mmm yeah so could you help me ahti |
| 07:44.40 | _Ahti | nope -.-, My "expertise" is in Networking |
| 07:44.46 | black12313 | oh |
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| 07:45.04 | _Ahti | soz |
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| 07:45.11 | black12313 | sucks i just fixed my printing problem (i needed to install smbclient) |
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| 07:45.58 | _Ahti | Right-o |
| 07:46.03 | black12313 | oh could help me with dydns ? |
| 07:46.07 | erpo | What does a windows printer driver consist of? Is it executable code, or is it just a file that describes the capabilities of a printer? |
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| 07:46.21 | black12313 | dyndyns * |
| 07:46.33 | erpo | And, is there a way I can use it with Linux? Like ndiswrapper allows Linux users to use Windows wlan drivers? |
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| 07:46.40 | black12313 | .... wtf erpo |
| 07:46.57 | black12313 | erpo what printer are you trying to use |
| 07:47.17 | qwandor | so, no Katapult users here? |
| 07:47.25 | erpo | black12313: It's a Dell Photo 924 "All In One", but I only care about printing. There is no Linux driver. |
| 07:47.38 | black12313 | there is no linux printing / |
| 07:47.45 | black12313 | driver ? |
| 07:48.13 | black12313 | oh can someone tell me why backspace doesn't work in iceweasel ? |
| 07:48.46 | erpo | No, there is no Linux printing driver. |
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| 07:48.53 | black12313 | 1 sec |
| 07:49.08 | erpo | Its status is "paperweight" at openprinting.org. |
| 07:49.22 | evilgeek | in which package is 'info mknod'? |
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| 07:49.32 | qwandor | erpo: http://forums.xandros.com/viewtopic.php?t=30749&sid=ea336f8d22f7c990e58282bd6047f606 claims that it may be a 'Lexmark Z615 in disguise' |
| 07:49.40 | qwandor | does the driver for that work? |
| 07:49.45 | black12313 | lol |
| 07:49.53 | black12313 | i saw that just now that's pretty funny |
| 07:50.04 | erpo | I haven't got a Lezmark z615 driver. I'll look. |
| 07:50.18 | black12313 | that is a rumour |
| 07:50.24 | black12313 | might work tho |
| 07:50.37 | black12313 | i thought there was a ndiswrapper thingy for printers to ? |
| 07:50.38 | erpo | *Lexmark. |
| 07:50.48 | erpo | See, that's what I thought. |
| 07:50.50 | black12313 | same thing erpo (suckymark) |
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| 07:51.04 | black12313 | yeah well why did you ask about the printer being a file ... or .. |
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| 07:51.25 | black12313 | it should be a device thingy - it's not unix - therefore, it's not likely to be a file ... |
| 07:51.26 | black12313 | is it ? |
| 07:51.45 | black12313 | (or unix like) |
| 07:52.12 | erpo | I don't know what makes up a Windows printer driver, though. If it's executable code, then it seems like making a wrapper would be difficult. If a printer driver is really just a file that describes the printer that is meant to be understood but not executed by the OS, then it seems like a wrapper would be trivial. |
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| 07:52.31 | evilgeek | erpo: there is code. |
| 07:52.34 | erpo | No, not like that. |
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| 07:52.41 | erpo | evilgeek: :( |
| 07:52.51 | black12313 | lol |
| 07:53.01 | black12313 | let me think |
| 07:53.14 | Guerin | anmy printer that needs an actual hardware driver (as opposed to a ppd or somesuch) isn't worth buying anyway |
| 07:53.18 | black12313 | found it |
| 07:53.25 | black12313 | i think |
| 07:53.48 | evilgeek | so yeah. where are the info pages for coreutils? |
| 07:53.57 | Guerin | evilgeek: info coreutils; |
| 07:54.35 | black12313 | nm |
| 07:54.40 | black12313 | false alarm |
| 07:54.53 | black12313 | dude buy a new one |
| 07:55.08 | black12313 | or use your neighbours if they have wifi lol |
| 07:55.32 | evilgeek | Guerin: gaah! |
| 07:55.52 | evilgeek | Guerin: so 'info mknod' comes up with the manpage. but i can browse to it from 'info coreutils.' how evil! |
| 07:56.10 | Guerin | yes, linux documentation is indeed evil |
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| 07:56.27 | black12313 | oh ddiwrappe |
| 07:56.31 | black12313 | ddiwrapper * |
| 07:56.48 | black12313 | it's only canon atm but ... they are doing stuff ... |
| 07:56.48 | TbbW | will debian run on this: http://h20341.www2.hp.com/integrity/cache/332489-0-0-225-121.html |
| 07:57.04 | TbbW | we intended on running it as our webserver as work |
| 07:57.07 | Guerin | canon are fucking evil, and drivers is the primary reason why |
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| 07:57.28 | black12313 | nar they are not |
| 07:57.33 | Guerin | well |
| 07:57.37 | logd | what's the bes OCR for debian ? |
| 07:57.41 | black12313 | they gave us a 520s |
| 07:57.43 | evilgeek | so how does one create a named socket? is it even possible? |
| 07:57.46 | TbbW | but a "guy" told us that in FreeBSD only 1gb wuld show instead of 16Gb |
| 07:57.56 | Guerin | if you'd used almost any other printer you'd be drinking a beer now instead of tearing your hair out |
| 07:57.57 | black12313 | eh ? |
| 07:58.02 | black12313 | 1gb ? |
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| 07:58.12 | tarzeau | TbbW: it should. i haven't tried. do you really need so much power? how are the webpages generated (static or generated on request, without caching?)? |
| 07:58.23 | tarzeau | TbbW: how many hits/visitors per day, at max? what bandwith? |
| 07:58.42 | tarzeau | TbbW: i don't know but you could certainly try gnu/kfreebsd on it too |
| 07:58.53 | black12313 | why freebsd ? |
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| 07:59.12 | TbbW | nah we dont want FreeBSD... we want debian on it :P |
| 07:59.22 | tarzeau | TbbW: debian gnu/kfreebsd i |
| 07:59.29 | Guerin | gnu/kfreebsd is debian with a bsd kernel |
| 07:59.30 | TbbW | but i just wanted to verify that it wuld run as it suld... we want to replace the win2k3 server |
| 07:59.44 | Guerin | but i would caution you to go with what you know |
| 08:00.13 | Guerin | if it's supported by *bsd it's extremely likely to be supported by linux - you can google the motherboard chipset and other important stuff if you want to check |
| 08:00.39 | black12313 | oh |
| 08:00.49 | TbbW | well at the page i gave link to it lists RH and SUSE |
| 08:00.50 | slap | i have 403 forbiddend error for my web server |
| 08:01.49 | black12313 | what is the point of using the bsd kernel btw |
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| 08:02.42 | sciboy | Yo, any hardware junkies about? Looking to get myself a new machine tomorrow. |
| 08:03.11 | black12313 | sure sciboy |
| 08:03.18 | black12313 | what are you looking at spending ? |
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| 08:03.28 | twb | Which psf file provides the Terminus font such that the high-bit glyphs are box drawing characters, not cyrillic or greek or whatever |
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| 08:03.31 | twb | ? |
| 08:03.35 | sciboy | Around 1500AUD, |
| 08:03.43 | black12313 | oh your also australian |
| 08:03.44 | black12313 | k cool |
| 08:03.51 | twb | black12313: it's like a cult |
| 08:03.53 | black12313 | ah 1500 aud - for a desktop or a laptop ? |
| 08:04.03 | black12313 | oi twb - it is no cult |
| 08:04.15 | sciboy | Desktop, I was a quiet machine to crank out renders while I sleep. =P |
| 08:04.17 | twb | black12313: but you want your kids to be Australian too, right? |
| 08:04.18 | sciboy | want* |
| 08:04.27 | black12313 | it is a convict life (I'm not personally from ... that background) |
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| 08:04.40 | twb | "quiet", "renders" and "1500AUD" probably don't go together. |
| 08:04.45 | black12313 | ..... quiet |
| 08:04.50 | black12313 | yeah - get a laptop for quiet |
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| 08:04.57 | sciboy | black12313, I've got a list of components already, but it's a bit haphazard since I don't really know what I'm doing. |
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| 08:05.14 | black12313 | sure well you have a monitor right ? |
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| 08:05.26 | sciboy | Yeah, I'll leave getting an lcd to another time. =) |
| 08:05.28 | black12313 | and if your running a linux distro you will need a nvidia card |
| 08:05.49 | _Ahti | i've got a video file here with a *.bin ending... what format is it 0.0''' |
| 08:06.01 | liable | what things are horribly broken in sid atm? |
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| 08:06.04 | evilgeek | you only need an nvidia card if you're obsessed with ugly graphics. |
| 08:06.05 | black12313 | OI i found something for you |
| 08:06.06 | sciboy | I doubt I can get a decent laptop at $1500 that will work well for rendering for long periods of time. |
| 08:06.16 | black12313 | yeah i found it |
| 08:06.28 | black12313 | http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/notebooks_better?c=au&cs=audhs1&l=en&s=dhs the cheapest dell |
| 08:06.29 | black12313 | there |
| 08:06.41 | black12313 | it's better than the next one up lol |
| 08:06.43 | piper69 | guys please help me , i tried to use putty and i get "Network error:connection refused". and when i try to use vnc i have to go to host box and click on allow |
| 08:06.54 | black12313 | must be an error |
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| 08:07.05 | Guerin | !connection refused |
| 08:07.05 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified ip address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 08:07.13 | black12313 | lol piper69 go to remote desktop |
| 08:07.16 | evilgeek | sciboy: if you need something to render, get a PS3 or something else with a cell. |
| 08:07.27 | black12313 | and click on the - ask for my .. permission thingy |
| 08:07.49 | black12313 | nar that laptop lookeds good |
| 08:08.02 | sciboy | Current List: AMD-AM2-X2-6000+, ASUS-M2N32-SLI Deluxe, 2x2GB DDR2-800, and a 256mb 7600GS Silent. |
| 08:08.20 | black12313 | -- eh how does that compare with the 8400m gs ? |
| 08:08.36 | black12313 | oh and don't get an amd |
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| 08:08.48 | sciboy | Any reason why? |
| 08:08.48 | black12313 | unless there is a good reason |
| 08:09.01 | black12313 | yeah cuz they are hotter and stuff |
| 08:09.08 | black12313 | at the moment intel are ahead |
| 08:09.08 | sciboy | My last 3 machines were AMD's, this is just brand loyalty acting. |
| 08:09.19 | black12313 | lol - dude my comp is a amd athelon xp |
| 08:09.38 | black12313 | but i'm using a new laptop |
| 08:09.40 | piper69 | black12313 thanks i will go check it now |
| 08:09.42 | black12313 | not my own - it's a nec |
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| 08:10.09 | black12313 | intel pentium m chip and it owns |
| 08:10.25 | black12313 | it's 15" quiet (almost silent) and is great |
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| 08:10.39 | Guerin | we don't care |
| 08:10.50 | Guerin | just FYI |
| 08:11.05 | black12313 | i know i was just pushing the pointto sci |
| 08:11.09 | sciboy | I do digital painting on these machines, that's the only reason I'm a little reluctant to go for a slower clock per a core. |
| 08:11.17 | black12313 | i'm trying to find his thingy so i can talk i nprivate |
| 08:11.26 | liable | ... |
| 08:11.33 | liable | sounds kinky |
| 08:11.36 | sciboy | I mean, unless the kernel is able to distribute that without threads. |
| 08:11.38 | black12313 | lol |
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| 08:16.39 | sciboy | ..? |
| 08:16.50 | black12313 | go to my chat thingy |
| 08:17.07 | sciboy | What chat thingy? |
| 08:17.15 | black12313 | oh nm |
| 08:17.54 | black12313 | ok sure |
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| 08:18.21 | saintiss | hi all |
| 08:18.29 | saintiss | is there a quick and easy way to get the length (in minutes) of an avi file on the command line? |
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| 08:19.00 | liable | mplayer should tell you |
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| 08:19.21 | black12313 | oh sci got msn or something lol |
| 08:19.32 | pngwn | ~ |
| 08:20.10 | liable | hrm, anyone getting the mount segfault? |
| 08:20.17 | liable | sounds like a fun one to fix |
| 08:20.20 | sciboy | black12313, Is there an issue with private messaging in IRC? |
| 08:20.25 | tcsetattr | mplayer -identify gives nice parse-able information. use -idx if your avi file's index is messed up |
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| 08:20.33 | black12313 | yeah |
| 08:20.35 | black12313 | your not doing it |
| 08:20.55 | sciboy | I totally am. |
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| 08:22.33 | saintiss | -identify doesn't seem to show the length though |
| 08:22.39 | saintiss | and it starts playing the movie as well |
| 08:22.54 | dukez_ | Hi all, does anybody use apache2 + mod_proxy_balancer + mox_proxy_ajp ? On my servs, the | separator semmes not to work for the option sticysession of ProxySet .. |
| 08:25.06 | sciboy | Hmmmm, does private messaging require that you be registered on Freenode? |
| 08:25.25 | liable | yes |
| 08:25.45 | black12313 | oh that's why ? |
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| 08:25.56 | black12313 | how do i do that again ? |
| 08:26.07 | sciboy | We can just jump into a random channel. |
| 08:26.17 | black12313 | oh i see |
| 08:26.19 | black12313 | go to |
| 08:26.19 | liable | yeah, just open your own channel |
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| 08:26.29 | black12313 | how ? |
| 08:26.30 | sciboy | But otherwise, /msg nickserv help register |
| 08:26.31 | dukez_ | and set it invite only :) |
| 08:26.44 | sciboy | black12313, /join #gobligook |
| 08:27.05 | black12313 | done |
| 08:27.11 | black12313 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:27.15 | harpal | when I give aommand dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot to make .deb file than it gives me error |
| 08:27.17 | harpal | dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory |
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| 08:27.49 | dukez_ | just touch the file is not there |
| 08:28.12 | liable | if you are making your own deb, you prolly need to run dh_make first |
| 08:28.17 | liable | check the nm guide |
| 08:28.49 | harpal | yes I would like to make .deb file from source |
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| 08:29.46 | harpal | and dh_make command is not there, so from ehich packet I get that. |
| 08:30.07 | liable | !installit |
| 08:30.07 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 08:30.18 | liable | !nmg |
| 08:30.18 | dpkg | well, nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 08:30.34 | diafic | brb, restarting X |
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| 08:33.14 | harpal | liable: thanx |
| 08:33.26 | liable | you're welcome |
| 08:33.58 | mw`` | hi, does anyone know how to capture the communication between apt and its (getter) methods? or how do i capture ipc from a pipe? |
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| 08:45.30 | CGI166 | how would I copy some directories from one server to another via scp? |
| 08:45.49 | cast_ | man scp |
| 08:45.55 | tarzeau | or use rsync -av |
| 08:46.02 | CGI166 | I am on one of the worst servers ever |
| 08:46.05 | CGI166 | no yum |
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| 08:46.17 | liable | yum? |
| 08:46.21 | CGI166 | I dont have root privalages and no man binary |
| 08:46.25 | CGI166 | apt-get |
| 08:46.26 | xand | yum? what do you think this is, #redhat? |
| 08:46.31 | CGI166 | lols |
| 08:46.34 | xand | if there's no apt-get, it's not debian |
| 08:46.37 | CGI166 | Im really tired |
| 08:46.46 | liable | it doesnt have man pages? |
| 08:46.48 | CGI166 | I dont have apt-get permisisons |
| 08:47.03 | liable | anyway, poor excuse, you can see all man pages on the net |
| 08:47.04 | xand | apt-get doesn't copy directories anyway... |
| 08:47.11 | CGI166 | trust me i have tried and cant get the man pages that is why I am here |
| 08:47.28 | CGI166 | can you just help me with this one scp command? |
| 08:47.31 | CGI166 | please? |
| 08:47.40 | liable | http://www-hep2.fzu.cz/computing/adm/scp.html |
| 08:47.46 | liable | \theres your help :P |
| 08:47.48 | xand | google "scp man page"... plenty of hits |
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| 08:48.43 | CGI166 | so I would type something like scp root@192.168.1.100 /bin/chmod root@192.168.1.101 |
| 08:48.54 | CGI166 | that would copy /bin/chmod? |
| 08:49.02 | liable | eek |
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| 08:49.11 | CGI166 | ? |
| 08:49.20 | xand | no, and you shouldn't login with ssh as root really |
| 08:49.33 | CGI166 | so can you help me maybe? |
| 08:49.38 | xand | scp file user@machine:/path/to/file |
| 08:49.39 | qwandor | more like scp 192.168.1.100:/bin/chmod 192.168.1.101: |
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| 08:49.59 | qwandor | if that is really what you want to do |
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| 08:50.13 | CGI166 | how can I copy directories |
| 08:50.48 | xand | -r |
| 08:50.50 | qwandor | '-r Recursively copy entire directories.' |
| 08:50.56 | CGI166 | thanks |
| 08:50.59 | xand | please read the man page |
| 08:52.15 | CGI166 | so something like scp -r 192.168.1.100:/home/myuser/binkit/bin 192.168.1.101:/bin |
| 08:52.36 | CGI166 | or would i end up with /bin/bin on 192.168.1.101 |
| 08:53.53 | xand | CGI166: if you're using one of those machines, you can omit its IP address |
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| 08:54.14 | CGI166 | so what would it look like if I omitted it |
| 08:54.50 | xand | I don't know which you're using. |
| 08:55.03 | CGI166 | 192.168.1.100 |
| 08:55.04 | xand | scp somefile user@host:/path/to/new/file |
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| 08:56.21 | liable | what the hell are you doing copying files into /bin anyway? |
| 08:56.43 | CGI166 | hacked my iphone need some binaries that I made but I have to preserver permissions |
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| 08:57.46 | xand | you're copying binaries from debian to an iphone |
| 08:57.47 | xand | ? |
| 08:58.39 | qwandor | from a server without man? |
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| 09:07.39 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:07.39 | dpkg | <Slayer_> i am at a screen with tyler@tyler-mac:~$ <Slayer_> i just rebooted <Slayer_> i need to get linux to actually come up |
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| 09:09.07 | Raphaelo | hey, does anyone know if debian etch supports the libapache2-mod-auth-mysql? |
| 09:09.52 | simonrvn | liable: that be t3h funn4y |
| 09:10.13 | liable | heh |
| 09:10.51 | dukez_ | Rahpaelo> moved to authn_dbd is think |
| 09:11.06 | simonrvn | yup |
| 09:11.07 | Raphaelo | is that the same? |
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| 09:11.24 | simonrvn | more generic sql stuff, supports several |
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| 09:11.31 | Raphaelo | hmm.. ok |
| 09:12.09 | Raphaelo | how can I activate it? |
| 09:12.15 | simonrvn | rtfm ;) |
| 09:13.13 | liable | n00b |
| 09:13.18 | liable | ;) |
| 09:13.34 | Raphaelo | heh |
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| 09:14.15 | cast | if apache is too hard maybe try IIS |
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| 09:14.47 | themill | !lart cast |
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| 09:16.01 | Raphaelo | HAHA |
| 09:16.18 | Raphaelo | I forgot it was a2enmod, i tried only aenmod |
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| 09:16.27 | rogue- | Hello. |
| 09:16.39 | Raphaelo | hiyA |
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| 09:21.31 | tuxub | does debian work the wheel group to limit the users that can su? |
| 09:22.05 | xand | it can, but not by default |
| 09:22.10 | themill | dukez_: thank you for the tip on authn_dbd... I had been both contemplating and cursing mod-auth-mysql for that function. |
| 09:22.20 | tuxub | is there any other (better) way to do it? |
| 09:23.02 | rogue- | chmod |
| 09:23.02 | qwandor | sudo |
| 09:23.05 | rogue- | chmod 000 /path/to/su and you're done |
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| 09:23.25 | themill | that will certainly prevent people from su-ing. |
| 09:23.31 | tuxub | rogue-, that way, no one can su... |
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| 09:23.49 | rogue- | and your point is? |
| 09:24.07 | tuxub | my idea is to disable the ssh root@host and to log with another account to increase security. then i su from my account (and only me) |
| 09:24.27 | rogue- | chown & chmod then |
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| 09:24.54 | _Ahti | If you did "sudo chown 000 /path/to/su" wouldn't that mean you couldn't put it back the way it was 0-0'' |
| 09:24.58 | _Ahti | Sudo is crap |
| 09:25.01 | rogue- | make sure su still does it's job, but only your user/group can run it |
| 09:25.03 | timbobsteve | what is the format of the entries in /etc/apt/sources.list ? I am trying to make mine point to my local mirror, but I can't seem to get it right. I have "deb ftp://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian etch/main stable unstable".... but it doesn't work. |
| 09:25.10 | Raphaelo | hmmh |
| 09:25.23 | _Ahti | it makes it really unconvinient to write "sudo" to every-single-command |
| 09:25.24 | rogue- | _Ahti: not if you can access the root account without the use of 'su'. |
| 09:25.26 | Raphaelo | when using authn_dbd i get [Tue Aug 07 12:24:22 2007] [notice] child pid 6350 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) |
| 09:25.35 | Raphaelo | at the apache error.log |
| 09:25.35 | chrisjw | im a little confused at why debian has assigned itself the internal address of 10.0.1.4 when I specifically wrote that it's mac address should use 10.0.1.3 |
| 09:25.40 | _Ahti | rogue, -.- |
| 09:25.41 | chrisjw | is there any way i can make it use a specific IP |
| 09:25.44 | Raphaelo | is this more of an apache related? |
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| 09:26.05 | tuxub | ok, thanks for the tips |
| 09:26.07 | qwandor | timbobsteve: deb ftp://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian stable main stable |
| 09:26.16 | qwandor | er, without the last 'stable' |
| 09:26.26 | tuxub | and for the wheel stuff to work, i just need to create a new group called wheel and it works ? |
| 09:26.43 | rogue- | tuxub: however, what does it matter who can issue "su -" if they can't actually get a root shell from it? |
| 09:26.56 | chrisjw | nudge? |
| 09:27.02 | timbobsteve | qwandor: why is it "... stable main stable" ??? (why stable twice ?) |
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| 09:27.14 | qwandor | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:27.28 | qwandor | typo, sorry |
| 09:27.30 | tuxub | rogue-, i'm remote, right? I do ssh theadmin@hostmachine and login via SSH. to do admin tasks I then do su and do my work |
| 09:27.39 | qwandor | I copied your line and changed it |
| 09:27.49 | rogue- | tuxub: yes and? |
| 09:28.12 | themill | tuxub: be careful about a normal user being in wheel. IIRC there was a strange bug report against wine a while ago where a user had destroyed their filesystems because they ran wine while they were within the wheel group. |
| 09:28.12 | tuxub | rogue-, and... thats the point... nothing more nothing less |
| 09:28.14 | timbobsteve | qwandor: do I have to use a second line to add unstable? or can you get multiple branches from one line? |
| 09:28.31 | qwandor | timbobsteve: you will need a different line, yes |
| 09:28.34 | tuxub | the-me, :-) nice stuff |
| 09:28.37 | tuxub | themill |
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| 09:28.40 | rogue- | tuxub: you are talking about you and only you being able to switch users to root via SU. what does it matter if user "johnjohn" can issue su, and actually get a root shell if he provides the password .. if he can't find out the password ? |
| 09:28.47 | qwandor | but running stable and unstable together is probably a bad idea |
| 09:29.06 | timbobsteve | qwandor: thanks.... not used to having to do this coming from Gentoo -> Fedora -> Ubuntu -> debian :P hehehehe |
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| 09:29.22 | tuxub | rogue-, it's more secure if only I issue the su to brute force attacks, right? |
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| 09:29.33 | rogue- | if user johnjohn can get su to give him a root shell *without* knowing the password .. well.. heh.. johnhohn might not be so easily stopped by whatever you try |
| 09:29.45 | rogue- | a good strong password will take care of brute force attacks. |
| 09:30.11 | tuxub | ok |
| 09:30.14 | themill | tuxub: if you don't notice a bruteforce attack being run against your su in the few weeks that it will take... |
| 09:30.14 | timbobsteve | qwandor: so stable and unstable aren't like univers/multiverse etc in ubuntu? |
| 09:30.23 | chrisjw | just have the cat walk on your keyboard |
| 09:30.26 | themill | timbobsteve: no |
| 09:30.29 | chrisjw | that's a secure enough password |
| 09:30.29 | ttl_work | Can i use the scanner function of a multifunctional Brother machine (MFC-440CN) with Debian Linux ? |
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| 09:30.37 | chrisjw | w]#-iq54]#a#bnd8T9[ |
| 09:30.41 | chrisjw | there! |
| 09:30.46 | themill | chrisjw: pwgen |
| 09:30.54 | chrisjw | cat > pwgen |
| 09:31.03 | themill | hmmm..... |
| 09:31.06 | ttl_work | I can print on the MFC-440CN with cups without problem |
| 09:31.07 | tuxub | themill, I get your point... I'm just thinking about ways to secure the servers |
| 09:31.23 | timbobsteve | themill: is there an equivalent in debian ? or does everything lay in stable/unstable/testing? |
| 09:31.44 | themill | timbobsteve: main contrib and non-free are the "equivalents" |
| 09:32.00 | themill | !tell timbobsteve about non-free |
| 09:32.03 | themill | !tell timbobsteve about contrib |
| 09:32.07 | qwandor | timbobsteve: no stable / unstable are like edgy / fiesty-beta |
| 09:32.14 | qwandor | or something like that |
| 09:32.24 | timbobsteve | qwandor/themill: sweet. thanks |
| 09:32.31 | qwandor | main = universe |
| 09:32.42 | qwandor | non-free + contrib = multiverse |
| 09:32.44 | tuxub | timbobsteve, the testing and unstable are like "testing = gutsy, unstable = feisty, stable = edgy" |
| 09:32.46 | tuxub | sort of... |
| 09:33.16 | tuxub | no |
| 09:33.16 | themill | tuxub: not that you're implying anything about the quality of recent releases from other distros... |
| 09:33.19 | tuxub | wrong said |
| 09:33.22 | erf | Hey, I'm having an issue with networking in debian, I installed from the netinstall disc, so networking worked then, but now I've got it installed, debian refuses to allow networking |
| 09:33.37 | tuxub | stable = edgy, testing = feisty, unstable = gutsy |
| 09:33.43 | tuxub | thats more it |
| 09:33.51 | themill | tuxub: not really. |
| 09:33.56 | tuxub | themill, of course not |
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| 09:34.02 | tuxub | I use debian and ubuntu |
| 09:34.03 | themill | tuxub: unstable will never be released. it's not a release. |
| 09:34.09 | erf | The networking tool from Desktop->Administration shows a network card, but I can't do anything network wise |
| 09:34.12 | erf | Any ideas? |
| 09:34.26 | timbobsteve | so would it be fine to have only one line in my sources.list ? something like "deb ftp://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian unstable main" ? |
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| 09:34.30 | tuxub | themill, they both have quality and pros and cons |
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| 09:35.00 | tuxub | themill, your right about the unstable thing |
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| 09:35.11 | qwandor | timbobsteve: yes, as long as you do not want non-free packages |
| 09:35.19 | pif | I have booted with a live CD and would like to start a debian install on a partition, what tool do I need? |
| 09:35.34 | cast | pif: debootstrap, |
| 09:35.37 | timbobsteve | qwandor: not at this stage.... maybe later... but I can always add it then can't I ? |
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| 09:35.58 | qwandor | timbobsteve: yes, of course; you may want "deb ftp://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian unstable main contrib non-free" |
| 09:36.00 | jelly-home | timbobsteve: also, that's just an example. if you're not sure about that, it's probably best you don't use unstable just yet |
| 09:36.07 | pif | cast : is that available as a stand-alone program or a .deb ? |
| 09:36.24 | qwandor | I would tend to use testing for a personal desktop |
| 09:36.29 | qwandor | but it will break occasionally |
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| 09:36.40 | cast | pif: dunno - you should be able to run it fine |
| 09:36.51 | pif | thx |
| 09:36.51 | rogue- | I use unstable for a personal desktop and it works fine. |
| 09:36.52 | jelly-home | qwandor: but at least it breaks less than unstable |
| 09:37.00 | jelly-home | !unstable |
| 09:37.01 | dpkg | it has been said that unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 09:37.02 | timbobsteve | jelly-home: ok... I haven't installed anything yet... so I might switch to stable before I get ahead of myself |
| 09:37.04 | themill | timbobsteve: you probably don't want to run unstable. As a general rule, if you have to ask how to set your sources.list, then you don't want to run unstable. |
| 09:37.35 | rogue- | with that said, unstable really doesn't break that often.. |
| 09:37.37 | timbobsteve | themill: thanks |
| 09:37.44 | rogue- | but when it does, it does it with style and pink ponies |
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| 09:38.00 | timbobsteve | rogue: somthing to look forward to i guess? |
| 09:38.24 | jelly-home | timbobsteve: generalized, until you're able to report and fix problems in Debian packages, you don't want to use unstable |
| 09:38.26 | erf | So does anyone have ideas? |
| 09:38.31 | themill | rogue-: Hasn't sid has spent most of the last 6 months in a completely uninstallable state due to the various transitions that have been going on? |
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| 09:39.12 | timbobsteve | erf: have you looked to see that /etc/resolv.conf is correct? |
| 09:39.15 | rogue- | :-/ I (re)installed testing last week, upgraded to unstable, been using it with no problems |
| 09:39.34 | timbobsteve | what is testing ? is that more stable than unstable? |
| 09:39.43 | Raphaelo | yupp,, I'm getting a segmentation faul(11) error with authn_dbd |
| 09:39.45 | jelly-home | !testing |
| 09:39.45 | dpkg | i heard testing is a release/suite between stable and unstable. testing currently points to lenny. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 09:39.51 | Raphaelo | any ideas where it could be related? |
| 09:39.59 | rogue- | my sources.list contains: deb http://ftp.ro.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib ; deb-src http://ftp.ro.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib ; deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main |
| 09:40.02 | rogue- | ZERO problems. |
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| 09:40.12 | jelly-home | rogue-: you are VERY lucky |
| 09:40.21 | rogue- | am I |
| 09:40.29 | rogue- | well I've been lucky for quite some time then |
| 09:40.48 | jelly-home | rogue-: it's better not to recommend unstable to a newcomer |
| 09:41.02 | rogue- | I'd never do that |
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| 09:41.31 | rogue- | I never recommend any piece of software, regardless of it's version/state/whatever for that matter. |
| 09:42.02 | jelly-home | rogue-: you are however, leaving the impression using it is no big problem |
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| 09:42.28 | rogue- | jelly-home: but please explain why I am so lucky? what. is nobody in here running "unstable" without problems ? and without having had to fix things manually? |
| 09:42.30 | qwandor | testing is where packages go that will be part of the next stable release |
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| 09:43.51 | petemc | rogue-: because often times packages in unstable are broken |
| 09:44.09 | jelly-home | rogue-: of course I can't explain why your particular subset of installed packages and versions works, but things are _known_ to break |
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| 09:44.55 | rogue- | I don't tend to use very exotic software, and I like to keep my system tidy (i.e.: get rid of everything I don't need as soon as I don't need it) |
| 09:45.17 | rogue- | sure I get "new dependencies" when upgrading, new and odd that is, which are removed after a few days |
| 09:45.19 | jelly-home | rogue-: that's good for you, see you when perl breaks next time :-) |
| 09:45.43 | rogue- | but I upgrade every day, I've been using Unstable for .. hm .. I can't even remember .. perhaps a year now .. and no problems |
| 09:46.05 | liable | yet |
| 09:46.26 | jelly-home | rogue-: dunno, I usually experience 1-2 big fuckups per year |
| 09:46.34 | Knight_Lord | I am just got an APC UPS and I am wondering if SNMP is the best way to monitor its status. If so what kind of software should i use. Any pointers would be highly appreciated as i'm completely new to SNMP |
| 09:47.27 | jelly-home | rogue-: at least, that was the way it was while I was using unstable on desktop. Now that testing exists, the bugs that trickle down to it usually aren't catastrophic |
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| 09:47.50 | liable | testing was more broken last year for a while |
| 09:48.27 | Raphaelo | who can see the error in this .htaccess file? |
| 09:48.27 | Raphaelo | http://rafb.net/p/G6h3KI45.html |
| 09:48.36 | Raphaelo | when using autn_dbd |
| 09:48.53 | Raphaelo | I get 500 instantly |
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| 09:49.40 | samyboy | I can't find the checkinstall package (stable repos) ...wt. ? |
| 09:49.43 | themill | Raphaelo: I don't think the dbd stuff is allowed in a .htaccess file |
| 09:49.57 | Raphaelo | oh, it should be at the directory settings |
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| 09:50.09 | Vaddern_1780 | http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?uid=1780 |
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| 09:50.15 | themill | Raphaelo: I think so |
| 09:50.27 | Raphaelo | themill: but what kind of a .htaccess will i make then? |
| 09:50.35 | Raphaelo | or is it even necessary |
| 09:50.56 | Raphaelo | btw. adding the salt fixed the password issue yesterday, thanks for that |
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| 09:51.46 | themill | Raphaelo: good to hear! simonrvn said that it took a while to get it finished in the end. |
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| 09:51.53 | abchirk | Hi all... |
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| 09:52.11 | themill | samyboy: http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/checkinstall/news/20060204T220817Z.html |
| 09:53.03 | abchirk | Ehm, anyone knows which package I need to install when I want using firefox with java? I installed jre and java-bin but firefox is still missing plugins? |
| 09:53.19 | Supaplex | !java |
| 09:53.20 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>. |
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| 09:53.33 | samyboy | themill, thanks. |
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| 09:53.50 | abchirk | !install java |
| 09:53.51 | dpkg | install java is, like, First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk or sun-java6-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/lenny/sid. |
| 09:54.11 | themill | abchirk: sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free |
| 09:54.23 | themill | abchirk: but I presume you mean iceweasel |
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| 09:54.30 | longinek | hi |
| 09:54.55 | abchirk | ehm yes sorry themill ;) |
| 09:54.57 | abchirk | Hi |
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| 09:55.17 | zicho | like 5-8 seconds after i plug an USB Mass Storage device in, it automatically disconnected. My /var/log/messages tells me that it gets connected, but it gets disconnected right after. Can someone help me? =/ |
| 09:55.34 | themill | abchirk: just checking you weren't trying to use a downloaded ff from mozilla.org or something. |
| 09:55.35 | longinek | i have just got ibm thinkpad r61 and i need to connect over wifi in work, but i cant get it working, can you help me please ? i did modprobe ipw2100 and then im lost |
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| 09:55.56 | abchirk | He thx! nono I do all those things with aptitude :) |
| 09:56.10 | longinek | iwconfig says theres eth0 and eth1 and that no wireless extension is avaible ... |
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| 09:57.43 | themill | longinek: what does "lspci|grep Network" show? |
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| 09:58.08 | Knight_Lord | When a shutdown is request do processes receive a SIGKILL or SIGTERM? |
| 09:58.30 | abchirk | hm tehI have non free in my sources.list but I cannot find sun-java5-plugin? |
| 09:58.30 | Raphaelo | hmm weid |
| 09:58.31 | longinek | themill: not sure, but i can see the Intel Corporation PRO/wifi something ... |
| 09:58.32 | Raphaelo | weird |
| 09:58.38 | themill | Knight_Lord: both, in the opposite order/ |
| 09:58.47 | Knight_Lord | themill ok thanks |
| 09:58.58 | themill | abchirk: have you done in an aptitude update since changing your sources.list? |
| 09:59.05 | abchirk | Yap...before 10min :P |
| 09:59.32 | Raphaelo | when force-reloading apache I got an error that I should load mod_dbd to enable authdbd functions. I though the only mod was authn_dbd which i needed |
| 09:59.32 | abchirk | Its amd64...maybe it depends on that? |
| 09:59.35 | themill | longinek: can you please pastebin the output of lspci for me? |
| 09:59.56 | themill | Raphaelo: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_authn_dbd.html |
| 09:59.57 | longinek | themill: i cant connect to inet from debian |
| 10:00.07 | longinek | im here in dualbooted windows |
| 10:00.26 | Raphaelo | oh... it relies to mod_dbd :D |
| 10:00.43 | themill | longinek: OK. Ahh... I don't think the r61 has the ipw2100 hardware but I need you to tell me what it really does have.# |
| 10:00.45 | jelly-home | longinek: are you sure that's the correct driver for your wireless card? |
| 10:00.54 | abchirk | longinek I have the ipw3945 or something similar...and needed to setup the daemon for the driver... |
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| 10:01.11 | [Jasper] | hej guys, what do I need to apt-get to use vmware? |
| 10:01.24 | themill | longinek: Can you look up in the windoze device manager and get a chip number for it? 2100 2200 3945 ot 4965 are the ones to look for. |
| 10:01.26 | longinek | themill: i checked that, lspci shows right card .. |
| 10:01.34 | longinek | im looking for it right now |
| 10:01.59 | longinek | abchirk: daemon ? |
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| 10:02.15 | themill | longinek: ipw3945d regulatory daemon from intel |
| 10:02.21 | Lukemob | Hey there. |
| 10:02.33 | abchirk | Hi |
| 10:02.38 | jelly-home | longinek: try asking http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ for the correct driver, it might have a clue |
| 10:02.56 | Lukemob | Does "auto eth0" mean "ifup eth0" on starting? |
| 10:03.01 | longinek | i can see here "intel(r) PRO/wireless 3945ABG Network conection |
| 10:03.14 | themill | !tell longinek about ipw3945 |
| 10:03.17 | longinek | so i guess the daemon is what i need |
| 10:03.35 | themill | longinek: you need 3 things: the daemon, the module and the firmware |
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| 10:04.12 | themill | longinek: follow the instructions that dpkg just messaged you and you should be fine. |
| 10:04.21 | longinek | thank you very much |
| 10:04.28 | [Jasper] | erm guys |
| 10:04.29 | [Jasper] | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 10:04.31 | [Jasper] | what does that mean? |
| 10:04.34 | Tomasu | sorta offtopic, I can't get my shell (bash) to autocomplete files in dirs, ie: cp /foo/ba<tab> gives nothing even when "/foo/bar" exists |
| 10:04.43 | Tomasu | how can I get that enabled? |
| 10:04.44 | liable | !mmap |
| 10:04.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need |
| 10:04.52 | Tomasu | it'll tab complete the dir just fine |
| 10:04.58 | abchirk | themill can you paste me you nonfree line from sources.list? |
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| 10:05.27 | jelly-home | hm, is there a sysctl-like utility to write to /sys at boot? |
| 10:05.44 | liable | abchirk: just append non-free to yours |
| 10:05.53 | themill | abchirk: http://pastebin.ca/648489 but you'll want to use a mirror near you |
| 10:05.55 | Lukemob | No one knows? :S |
| 10:05.56 | liable | at the end of the line |
| 10:06.03 | abchirk | Hm I have but theres no sun-java6-plugin :( |
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| 10:06.20 | sciboy | AMD64? |
| 10:06.21 | themill | Lukemob: yes that should bring the device up on start up |
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| 10:06.26 | abchirk | Yes |
| 10:06.26 | Lukemob | thx |
| 10:06.30 | faber4 | hi everybody |
| 10:06.40 | themill | abchirk: ah sorry... I assumed x86. |
| 10:06.44 | sciboy | abchirk, Bad news, java doesn't have a 64-bit plugin |
| 10:06.49 | faber4 | is anyone using the python uno interface for openoffice? |
| 10:06.58 | abchirk | Hm so I cannot use amd64 and java on Iceweasel? |
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| 10:07.21 | faber4 | on my "etch" installation the python-uno-openoffice demos dont work |
| 10:07.22 | sciboy | abchirk, You can grab a 32-bit browser build like getswiftfox.com and use the 32-bit plugin. |
| 10:07.36 | jelly-home | faber4: not yet, but planning to (to automate entries into an Excel file) |
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| 10:07.49 | themill | sciboy: isn't here a free java plugin? |
| 10:07.49 | abchirk | hm I have a 32bit chroot already for flash things...coz gnash doesnt work too :( |
| 10:08.00 | liable | abchirk: unless you have a good reason to use the 64 port, dont. |
| 10:08.12 | lekvar | will that wrapper that works to make 32 bit flash work in 64 bit firefox work for java too? |
| 10:08.22 | sciboy | lekvar, No. |
| 10:08.23 | abchirk | hmmm... so it would be better to install a 32bit debian? On my 64bit machine? |
| 10:08.34 | liable | yes |
| 10:08.42 | sciboy | the-me, Blackdown might have one, but Sun doesn't for 64-bit. |
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| 10:09.02 | sciboy | abchirk, Depends what you're doing, 32-bit is easier. |
| 10:09.14 | abchirk | liable but there will be no problems with kernel and else...because of the arch and 64bit? |
| 10:09.21 | jelly-home | abchirk: no |
| 10:09.26 | liable | abchirk: it will work fine |
| 10:09.36 | abchirk | Hm damn why I installed Debian64bit? :( |
| 10:09.46 | jelly-home | it was shiny? |
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| 10:09.50 | sciboy | abchirk, Got 4GB of memory? |
| 10:09.58 | abchirk | Maybe I thaught it would be faster :P |
| 10:09.58 | liable | more than |
| 10:10.01 | abchirk | sciboy no why? 2gb |
| 10:10.02 | sciboy | Cause otherwise, no idea. |
| 10:10.12 | SiriusFR | Hello world. |
| 10:10.20 | abchirk | hi SiriusFR |
| 10:10.22 | sciboy | Segmentation Fault |
| 10:10.55 | sciboy | abchirk, Generally the most noticable improvement with 64-bit is when you really load it with lots of memory. |
| 10:11.12 | liable | or apparently vid editing and the like |
| 10:11.13 | jelly-home | liable: eww, are you touching his core dump |
| 10:11.24 | abchirk | mh...so generally amd64 is nearly senseless for normal people`? :P |
| 10:11.24 | liable | i feel so dirty! |
| 10:11.57 | zicho | like 5-8 seconds after i plug an USB Mass Storage device in, it automatically disconnected. My /var/log/messages tells me that it gets connected, but it gets disconnected right after. Can someone help me? =/ |
| 10:11.58 | sciboy | abchirk, Unless you've got really intensive shit you're running (eg. I do animation) Yes. =) |
| 10:12.13 | sciboy | abchirk, At least, not worth the hassle. |
| 10:12.25 | abchirk | Hm no normal things like some programming, playing some 3D games :) |
| 10:12.31 | jelly-home | sciboy: how much does it help there? (in saved clock time?) |
| 10:12.42 | liable | sciboy: so, does shrek end up doing the donkey? |
| 10:12.44 | sciboy | jelly, <-----> this much |
| 10:12.52 | jelly-home | sciboy: not worth it! |
| 10:13.32 | abchirk | ok thanks sciboy and themill anyway. :) |
| 10:13.40 | harpal | I hve made .deb file from source using dh_make and then running dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot but where can I set that shlibs dependancy |
| 10:13.57 | abchirk | hm oh now...debootstrap is better I guess. :) |
| 10:13.59 | liable | harpal: in debian/control iirc |
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| 10:14.17 | liable | debootstrap eats young babies |
| 10:14.22 | abchirk | ? |
| 10:14.24 | sciboy | liable, They scrapped that part of the script in favor of more violence. |
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| 10:14.43 | liable | damn |
| 10:14.44 | harpal | liable in debian/control I have that Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends} |
| 10:15.17 | liable | harpal: and whats your actuall problem? |
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| 10:17.34 | jelly-home | dh_shlibdeps didn't do its job? |
| 10:18.27 | liable | shlipdeps sounds like me after a few beers |
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| 10:19.44 | p0g0_ | liable: is there an echo in here? |
| 10:20.17 | jelly-home | ... there an echo in here...? |
| 10:20.37 | liable | p0g0_: yep, and its me drooling into the keyboard |
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| 10:20.54 | liable | here.. |
| 10:20.58 | liable | .. here.. |
| 10:21.06 | abchirk | Argh If I am running debootstrap from amd64 he installs 64bit again? |
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| 10:21.23 | liable | and eats your first born |
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| 10:21.39 | harpal | I have mafe .deb file from source of snort and I have install that deb file after when I start my snort than it gives me error while loading shared libraries: libpcre.so.0 |
| 10:21.42 | abchirk | hm |
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| 10:22.00 | jelly-home | abchirk: --arch ? |
| 10:22.06 | abchirk | Jap... :P |
| 10:22.29 | jelly-home | abchirk: I tried it the other way round (bootstrapping amd64 from a working i386) and it didn't really work |
| 10:22.51 | jelly-home | abchirk: ended up booting from CD. :-| |
| 10:23.16 | abchirk | hm ok lets have me a try :) |
| 10:24.02 | harpal | while making debfile it also gives me warning that at dh_shlibs while loading shared libraries: libpcre.so.0 |
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| 10:24.32 | jelly-home | harpal: I'd steal the debian/ directory from the distro snort source package and start from there |
| 10:24.52 | liable | good idea |
| 10:25.20 | liable | abchirk: get the hd-install media and boot from that kernel, or just use an install cd |
| 10:25.21 | jelly-home | or even the whole .diff.gz |
| 10:25.46 | liable | the hd-media installer is just an initrd and kernel |
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| 10:29.11 | jelly-home | wow. ioschedulers matter. |
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| 10:30.09 | liable | tim_flatus: cabbage for dinner last night? ;) |
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| 10:30.50 | sep | my vmware-server processes keeps shitting themselfs. is xen a viable alternative? it's mostly going to run windows guests. |
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| 10:31.37 | Supaplex | your server needs a window? can't you already see inside? |
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| 10:32.08 | xlotlu | what's a good tool for fetching entire sites? |
| 10:32.14 | liable | if you are messing with the source, mail the dev list, the openhal dev doesnt hang out in here |
| 10:32.20 | cast | xlotlu: wget |
| 10:32.20 | liable | doh |
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| 10:32.46 | xlotlu | cast, with css support etc.. |
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| 10:32.59 | liable | great way to piss off site admins btw.. |
| 10:33.01 | Spida | in which package would I find "dig"? |
| 10:33.06 | abchirk | ok reboot cu later and thx :) |
| 10:33.15 | sep | or would vmware runn more stable on ubuntu (supported by vmware) then debian etch (unsupported) ? |
| 10:33.16 | liable | !tell Spida about search |
| 10:33.17 | themill | xlotlu: wget -k etc... |
| 10:33.49 | themill | xlotlu: politeness is to turn on waiting times between fetches and a random wait and a different user agent string to confuse them more.... :) |
| 10:34.10 | xlotlu | themill, cast: i know how to use wget... i need something that's look inside the css and fetch e.g. background images |
| 10:35.15 | xlotlu | themill: actually it's for a guy that bought cheap hosting against my advice; hoster said they have mod_python; now it turns out they don't. |
| 10:35.35 | xand | sep: how should we know? ask #vmware |
| 10:35.44 | xlotlu | so i'm trying to fetch the site into a static version and upload it |
| 10:36.47 | themill | xlotlu: ahh... are there many such extra files? would be easier to do them by hand separately? or by grepping the css for url() ? |
| 10:36.52 | sep | xand, becouse i assumed we used debian in here. and perhaps some of us uses vmware on it. and may have succeeded in doing so. |
| 10:37.07 | xand | sep: I meant ubuntu |
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| 10:37.47 | sep | well that part ok. but i would prefer to stick with debian if possible |
| 10:37.50 | Spida | liable: I tried that, but I can't find it |
| 10:37.54 | themill | xlotlu: can you rsync? I presume not... cheap hosts would rather you used ftp than sftp or ssh (arg) |
| 10:37.57 | xlotlu | themill: quite a lot of bg images in css generated from python. guess i'll sed through it |
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| 10:38.08 | liable | Spida: you should.. dns-utils |
| 10:38.18 | liable | or is it dnsutils.. |
| 10:38.22 | liable | one of em |
| 10:38.29 | Spida | ok, thx |
| 10:38.38 | xlotlu | themill: nope, can't rsync, but i'll rsync locally and then upload |
| 10:38.46 | vor | Hi, appreciate a pointer on the subject: How can I make sour no data/cached files, from a smb mount, are left on a clinet after a pc crash? is it the same for win & linux client? |
| 10:38.56 | xand | sep: I can't even get vmware to run... I run it and nothing happens... I gave up :) |
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| 10:39.28 | sep | xand, i run it. it shakes a little it craches and sometimes it takes a kernel panic with it for good measure |
| 10:39.57 | sep | so i vondered if xen on etch would be more stable. |
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| 10:40.05 | sep | heck qemu might be more stable :) |
| 10:40.30 | petemc | sep: does your machine have a vt capable processor? |
| 10:40.35 | sep | petemc, yes |
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| 10:40.44 | Ramattack | Hello there! |
| 10:41.02 | Ramattack | I'm having some issues with etch and its locales |
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| 10:41.51 | Ramattack | I'm getting this in postgres sql log : character 0xefbfbd of encoding "UTF8" has no equivalent in "LATIN9" |
| 10:42.01 | Ramattack | I have installed locales-all package |
| 10:42.07 | Ramattack | but still getting this |
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| 10:42.29 | jelly-home | Ramattack: sounds like a postgres issue, not system locales |
| 10:42.37 | sep | petemc, cpuinfo flags contains vmx and it's enabled in bios. |
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| 10:43.47 | unknow990_ | Hello Guys |
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| 10:44.06 | unknow990_ | Can anybody help me to make Mail Gateway to my RT. |
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| 10:45.03 | liable | Ramattack: maybe #debian-br may be a better place to ask in that regard |
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| 10:45.48 | zicho | like 5-8 seconds after i plug an USB Mass Storage device in, it automatically disconnected. My /var/log/messages tells me that it gets connected, but it gets disconnected right after. Can someone help me? =/ |
| 10:46.11 | themill | Ramattack: have you told postgres that the column/table is in utf8? have you told the client software that the connection to the db should be in utf8? You must have all of these in place. |
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| 10:48.22 | Ramattack | tomcat is connecting with jdbc and latin9 |
| 10:48.35 | Ramattack | should I set it to latin8? |
| 10:48.43 | Ramattack | sorry utf8?¿ |
| 10:48.53 | themill | Ramattack: that would probably be your problem.... you need to tell tomcat to use utf8 if you're going to stick utf8 data into it |
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| 10:49.36 | themill | Ramattack: don't ask me for specifics though... I've not used any of tomcat, jdbc or postgres, I've just worked through these problems with php and mysql :( |
| 10:49.54 | Ramattack | I see.... |
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| 10:51.11 | themill | Ramattack: but the principles will be the same |
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| 10:51.27 | Ramattack | I see... |
| 10:51.30 | Ramattack | I'll do this test |
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| 10:51.42 | themill | Ramattack: your db or db connection will complain if you try to stuff utf8 through a latin9 pipe. |
| 10:51.45 | Ramattack | but having locales-all installed would be always ok? |
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| 10:52.08 | themill | Ramattack: that shouldn't be a problem other than taking up lots of extra disk space :) |
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| 10:52.24 | Ramattack | ok themill |
| 10:52.29 | Ramattack | thanks a lot mate |
| 10:52.32 | Ramattack | I'll safe doing checks |
| 10:52.37 | Ramattack | thanks a lot!!! |
| 10:53.13 | themill | np |
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| 10:54.53 | jduggan | Hi all, ive just upgraded sarge to etch but kept the same apache configs, was a bad mistake, is there a way i can go back and reconfigure apache to instal/upgrade the newer apache configs? |
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| 10:55.21 | themill | jduggan: are you also switching from apache1.3 to apache2? |
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| 10:56.01 | jduggan | themill: im switching from apache 2.0 to 2.2 |
| 10:56.03 | jduggan | sarge to etch |
| 10:56.09 | phogg | jduggan: apt-get --reinstall install whatever. Or possible dpkg-reconfigure whatever, depending on whether you want the newer config files or want a script to alter your existing files. |
| 10:56.54 | jduggan | phogg: i want a script to alter my current config to be compatible with newer version |
| 10:57.09 | jduggan | currently its failing on all sorts of config issues |
| 10:57.12 | themill | jduggan: sarge had both 1.3 and 2 so I needed to check. :) |
| 10:57.18 | jduggan | themill: ah, ok |
| 10:57.21 | jduggan | best method? |
| 10:57.28 | themill | jduggan: how customised is your config? |
| 10:57.48 | jduggan | dpkg-reconfigure apache2 just drops to bash without error |
| 10:57.58 | jduggan | themill: well its plesk *gasp* raped |
| 10:58.05 | jduggan | but i dont care about plesk |
| 10:58.06 | themill | ouch |
| 10:58.18 | jduggan | yea its a server ive recently taken over |
| 10:58.28 | xlotlu | why might the framebuffer console get messed up after starting X? (at the same resolution / frequency as the console) |
| 11:00.09 | themill | jduggan: the path of least resistance might be to just mv /etc/apache2 out of the way and do a reinstall of the apache, php modules etc to get pristine config files back and then move to the new config format. The format hasn't changed that much so it's probably just pleskisms in the way. |
| 11:00.33 | themill | jduggan: to get config files back, /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 11:02.04 | unknow990_ | is there any one that can help me with rt-mailgate?? |
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| 11:05.16 | themill | I'm working on a small console utility that I'd like to make available for a certain legacy OS. It's in C and I know it would compile under cygwin but that's going to be pretty heavy dependency. How does mingw compare for cross-platform stuff like this? (I'm looking for the linux-guys perspective on this problem...) |
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| 11:09.17 | Supaplex | isn't the least common denominator there, cygwin and linux? building in linux should be easier imo |
| 11:09.18 | liable | themill: try ##c |
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| 11:11.05 | themill | Supaplex: yes, building under linux is a doddle. It's the route to making something small and useful for windoze that I'm not sure about. I love cygwin for keeping me sane under windoze, but I don't want a small utility like I'm working on to depend on 200MB of cygwin libraries/installation. |
| 11:11.18 | themill | liable: ok. good idea. |
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| 11:11.55 | Supaplex | I thought mingw was native win32. |
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| 11:12.44 | themill | Supaplex: OK. i wasn't sure if it required some local install too... sounds like good news. |
| 11:12.51 | themill | Supaplex: I'll check it out more. |
| 11:13.05 | xlotlu | themill: you actually only need cygwin.dll |
| 11:13.25 | dell_lin | i am using chattzilla as irc client how do i confiure chatzilla even i am idle for long time or if it disconnect how to reconnect automatically |
| 11:13.41 | Supaplex | and cygwin.dll isn't huge. :) |
| 11:14.17 | Supaplex | dell_lin: use more of these: . , ; ? ! |
| 11:14.36 | themill | xlotlu: but packaging cygwin.dll with your own programs is a real no-no. There are a lot of programs doing that and they are a royal PITA. You can often only install one of them on your machine at a time and don't try running them all at the same time.... it gets ugly |
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| 11:15.09 | themill | but mingw looks like what I'm after... thanks all! |
| 11:15.13 | Supaplex | keep the cygwin dll in the same directory as the app. |
| 11:15.40 | Supaplex | dell_lin: oh, now that I've read it a few more times. you want to reconnect automatically and idle, even when you're away? |
| 11:15.47 | themill | Supaplex: that's still a no-no. It will get loaded and then you're pants. |
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| 11:16.09 | dell_lin | yes sort of |
| 11:16.35 | dell_lin | i want to save commects and read it offline |
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| 11:17.57 | Supaplex | oh so logs. |
| 11:18.58 | Ramattack | Here I return |
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| 11:19.01 | Ramattack | now is working |
| 11:19.12 | Ramattack | the problem was the enconding |
| 11:19.16 | Ramattack | but |
| 11:19.52 | Ramattack | I have this same app in another tomcat development server and accessing to a postgres sql with latin9 (wich it was the default on debian sarge) |
| 11:20.12 | Ramattack | how could I set this enconding for postgres to latin9 the sameway in sarge was? |
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| 11:21.20 | Oyama | what would be your advices for a music player? i mainly need a media library, random play, and a good equalizer (i like rythmbox, but it lacks the equalizer...) |
| 11:21.27 | themill | Ramattack: is it feasible to get that other app to use utf8 instead? |
| 11:21.49 | jelly-home | themill: afaict the data in his DB is already in latin9 |
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| 11:22.42 | themill | ouch |
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| 11:22.51 | Ramattack | themill, yep but if they're using that charset for any special purpose? |
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| 11:23.10 | themill | jelly-home: yes, I think you are right... |
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| 11:24.17 | jelly-home | Ramattack: does starting tomcat with locales set to "C", or your language locale without UTF-8 help? |
| 11:24.28 | abrotman | Oyama: quod libet, xmms, zinf ? |
| 11:24.45 | jelly-home | Oyama: if using KDE, Amarok |
| 11:24.52 | L0cKn | lol |
| 11:24.57 | abrotman | Oyama: and many of the gnome apps have plugins .. there might be an equalizer plugin for RB |
| 11:25.06 | Oyama | jelly-home: gnome |
| 11:25.30 | Ramattack | jelly-home, wow.... as the item that don't understand quite well what exactly locales are... I assume I cannot answer to you're question |
| 11:25.39 | Oyama | abrotman: no equalizer plugin for rythmbox (gstreamer) |
| 11:26.01 | Oyama | abrotman: at least in ubuntu sources |
| 11:26.15 | abrotman | Oyama: uhm .. ask #ubuntu |
| 11:26.19 | themill | Ramattack: If your data is already in latin9 (and not in the us-ascii subset that is utf8-safe) then you have two options.... 1/ Convert the data in the database from latin9 to utf8 and the application to use utf8 too (this can be hard) or 2/ try to configure the connection for that app to use latin9. There is usually a way of telling the connection to the db to use a specific character set. I'm not sure about postgres but mysql has a "USE charset |
| 11:26.19 | themill | blah" command that you can issue as the first in the connection that solves problems. |
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| 11:26.41 | Oyama | abrotman: good idea |
| 11:27.19 | jelly-home | Ramattack: locale = environment settings that tell your apps which character set encoding to use, how to display date, time, which language to show the messages in |
| 11:27.22 | jelly-home | !locales |
| 11:27.22 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
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| 11:27.43 | jelly-home | Ramattack: etch defaults to UTF-8 enabled locales |
| 11:28.20 | themill | jelly-home: I think Ramattack installed locales-all earlier in an effort to get things working. |
| 11:28.28 | Ramattack | which one was using sarge? |
| 11:28.36 | Ramattack | latin1? |
| 11:28.43 | jelly-home | Ramattack: probably "C", that's the default |
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| 11:29.03 | Ramattack | but not the default in etch isn't it? |
| 11:29.51 | jelly-home | Ramattack: what's your native language (the one that used latin9)? |
| 11:29.59 | Ramattack | Spanish |
| 11:30.04 | Ramattack | yes I suppose yes |
| 11:30.04 | abrotman | !tell fqh about root |
| 11:30.36 | Ramattack | jelly-home, I think this should be my locale... es_ES@euro ISO-8859-15 |
| 11:31.06 | zirikili | how do I run a bash script from another user than root? |
| 11:31.09 | jelly-home | Ramattack: do a "dpkg-reconfigure locales", set that as default, restart tomcat and see if it gets better |
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| 11:31.28 | Ramattack | I have locales-all installed |
| 11:31.30 | jelly-home | zirikili: use su |
| 11:31.34 | Ramattack | its skipping me that proccess |
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| 11:32.37 | jelly-home | Ramattack: oh. the default should be written in /etc/default/locale or /etc/default/environment |
| 11:32.46 | themill | zirikili: do you mean how do you run the script when you are logged in as a different user? or how do you temporarily pretend to be another user and run the script. |
| 11:32.49 | zirikili | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 11:33.29 | zirikili | themill: I want root invoke a script as another user |
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| 11:33.49 | themill | zirikili: ok.. then jelly-home is spot on. |
| 11:33.49 | Ramattack | jelly-home, you cand find it too on /etc/environment |
| 11:33.50 | abrotman_ | uhm .. hi |
| 11:33.53 | abrotman_ | wtf |
| 11:33.58 | Ramattack | and too in /etc/default/environment |
| 11:34.14 | zirikili | themill: thanks |
| 11:34.20 | Ramattack | removing locales-all and setting es_ES@euro ISO-8859-15 as default only /etc/default/locale changes |
| 11:35.34 | jelly-home | Ramattack: well, remove all instances of setting LANG= LANGUAGE= and any LC_* variables from all of those files then, leave only /etc/default/locale |
| 11:36.16 | Ramattack | ok lets check |
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| 11:37.08 | jelly-home | abrotman_: you have a dangling underthingy |
| 11:38.05 | jetscreamer | kinky |
| 11:38.10 | jetscreamer | even more kinky |
| 11:38.40 | jelly-home | less kinky than a dangling participle |
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| 11:40.29 | jelly-home | pulled it in, have we now |
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| 11:41.08 | abrotman | duct taped it to my leg |
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| 11:42.16 | Ramattack | lets reboot.... |
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| 11:43.39 | jetscreamer | how come vga=891 used to work for me but lately when i enable that it gives some black screen death kind of thing... 771 seems to work ok |
| 11:43.49 | jetscreamer | err s/891/791/ |
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| 11:44.18 | liable | depends on the kernel driver i guess |
| 11:44.38 | jetscreamer | it's 6.45am and i have them outside my window in a residential neighborhood tearing up my street |
| 11:44.44 | jetscreamer | construction |
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| 11:45.00 | jetscreamer | sewer |
| 11:45.28 | liable | go take a dump while they have the pipe disconnected |
| 11:45.32 | jetscreamer | guess i shouldn't shit so much |
| 11:45.43 | liable | its a weak protest, but it all counts |
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| 11:46.30 | jetscreamer | it's the really big pipe sewer they stick underground, not my house |
| 11:47.07 | jetscreamer | they're using our yards to put their culverts in too |
| 11:47.13 | jetscreamer | on |
| 11:47.14 | jetscreamer | storage |
| 11:47.28 | liable | take a dump on the culvert |
| 11:48.08 | jetscreamer | i'll have my dogs do it |
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| 11:48.18 | Ramattack | jelly-home, seems to be working!!!!!!! |
| 11:48.29 | Ramattack | thanks a lot mate.... lets talk with development guys! |
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| 11:48.31 | liable | that loses the shock factor though |
| 11:48.33 | Ramattack | bye!!! thanks a lot |
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| 11:48.59 | jetscreamer | i could pay some bums to do it maybe |
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| 11:49.33 | liable | i'll come over and shit in your yard if you pay me |
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| 11:50.26 | jetscreamer | you'd have to do it in the guy_across_the_street's... they've already put the ones that were in my yard in the ground |
| 11:50.43 | jetscreamer | might be one left |
| 11:51.17 | stse | Hi! Is there a way to deactivate the background in XFCE in such a way, that programs like xplanet or xsnow are working? I'm using testing. |
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| 11:52.14 | stse | I tried the switch "let xfce handle the background", but without success. |
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| 11:55.03 | xlq | oh. When I open two copies of Icedove, it says "Mozilla-Thunderbird" is already running. Hmm, I thought they stripped out all "Thunderbird" strings |
| 11:55.12 | xlq | (they = Debian people) |
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| 11:58.23 | diafic | How can I wget a directory without it going up a level? |
| 11:58.42 | xlq | diafic: -np (no parent) |
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| 11:59.22 | diafic | so wget foo.com/some/directory -R -np ? |
| 11:59.34 | lightning | does anyone know the "key" name for Print Screen? |
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| 11:59.40 | unknow990_ | What can Use if I will send email from RT server?? |
| 11:59.53 | jelly-home | stse: if your apps draw on root window, you don't want XFCE to handle the background. |
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| 12:00.33 | xlq | diafic: yes |
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| 12:00.39 | longinek | hi again :o) |
| 12:00.47 | jelly-home | stse: I suppose #xfce would be a better place to ask |
| 12:00.48 | kobajaschi | hi :P |
| 12:00.52 | longinek | is there a way how to install package manualy ? :-) |
| 12:00.52 | xlq | I usually use -rkpnp |
| 12:01.00 | longinek | i couldnt find it |
| 12:01.00 | xlq | ^^ re: wget |
| 12:01.06 | stse | jelly-home: thank you |
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| 12:01.20 | jetscreamer | diafic: what does uname -r return |
| 12:01.35 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 12:01.48 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i longinek |
| 12:02.04 | jetscreamer | ow |
| 12:02.07 | lightning | okay what's the key name for Print Screen |
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| 12:02.19 | diafic | jetscreamer, why? |
| 12:02.23 | longinek | thanks |
| 12:02.23 | jetscreamer | you can get the keycode for it... i don't remember what you use though |
| 12:02.28 | diafic | 2.6.18-4-powerpc |
| 12:02.52 | lightning | xev, yeah it says Print, but Print isn't working in the keys config |
| 12:02.55 | azeem | lightning: xev can tell you |
| 12:03.22 | jetscreamer | diafic: nm |
| 12:03.31 | jetscreamer | Print with a P ? |
| 12:03.46 | lightning | yes, Print |
| 12:04.10 | lightning | well it's like F12 |
| 12:04.25 | jetscreamer | F13 maybe here |
| 12:04.32 | jetscreamer | 15 |
| 12:04.43 | lightning | i've seen that in someones config, does that work for you? |
| 12:05.11 | jetscreamer | accessed |
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| 12:06.29 | jetscreamer | where does it say print at |
| 12:06.58 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 12:07.11 | lightning | third line, after keysim |
| 12:07.11 | jetscreamer | oops wrong key :) f13 was right-er |
| 12:07.21 | jetscreamer | 15 would be break |
| 12:07.21 | lightning | F13 works for you? |
| 12:07.25 | jetscreamer | no no idea |
| 12:07.59 | liable | xev |
| 12:08.21 | jetscreamer | wouldn't you use the keycode, 111, not the word print? i have no idea though |
| 12:08.56 | lightning | i don't think this configuration uses the keycodes |
| 12:08.59 | lightning | don't know |
| 12:09.08 | jetscreamer | beyond my interests |
| 12:09.27 | jetscreamer | interesting, but no uses atm |
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| 12:09.55 | lightning | you in icewm? |
| 12:10.04 | lightning | i was thinking of making it menu |
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| 12:10.35 | lightning | as all the other "F" keys are being used |
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| 12:11.16 | jetscreamer | the window key pop up the menu here |
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| 12:11.57 | jetscreamer | speaking of, you can make menus on the toolbar ... kinda like multiple start buttons |
| 12:12.42 | lightning | off topic, because you can't assign keyboard shortcuts to them |
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| 12:13.46 | lightning | in very many cases |
| 12:14.40 | lightning | i'll search the forums later |
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| 12:18.58 | Uatschitchun | Hi all ... Someone here being able to tell me where I find help regarding a swap-over from termcap to ncurses for a special app? |
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| 12:19.00 | lightning | yeah, because xev reports it as Print |
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| 12:19.59 | Uatschitchun | Or maybe if there's an irc-channel for ncurses related questions ;) |
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| 12:20.07 | lightning | www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/1997-05/msg00048.html |
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| 12:20.59 | lightning | www.python.org/search/hypermail/python-1993/0325.html |
| 12:21.21 | yup | hello, i want install unreal ircd on debian but can't find it ( i'm newbie with this distro), what should i do ? |
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| 12:21.37 | yup | apt-cache search unreal shows nothing |
| 12:21.44 | lightning | up, unreal the video game? |
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| 12:21.51 | lightning | yup* |
| 12:21.55 | yup | no, irc server |
| 12:22.13 | lightning | oh, is it a windows program? |
| 12:22.18 | yup | no |
| 12:22.35 | lightning | okay, no idea then, sorry |
| 12:22.42 | yup | ok |
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| 12:22.47 | Uatschitchun | lightning: I've got special questions regarding the handling of windows for input/output and stdout ... |
| 12:22.49 | utopia_ | aptitude search ircd |
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| 12:23.38 | utopia_ | @ yup |
| 12:23.40 | ravenbird | [yup] my enemy, or something silly |
| 12:23.51 | lightning | Uatschitchun: explain to me what you're doing, and maybe i can help. I don't really know much about emacs, but i can probably help |
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| 12:24.08 | yup | utopia_: nothing, i have only main repo without contrib |
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| 12:24.28 | yup | so aptitude searches only in main ? |
| 12:24.47 | stew | yup: it searches in all of your sources defined in sources.list |
| 12:24.54 | yup | ok, thanks |
| 12:25.24 | lightning | stew: but why are the search results different than that of apt-cache search |
| 12:25.34 | utopia_ | yup, oh sorry didn't read above |
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| 12:25.50 | utopia_ | yup, http://www.unrealircd.com might have a debian package you can download |
| 12:26.08 | Uatschitchun | lightning: We've got a mediacenter (mms - www.mymediasystem.org) which uses termcap for keyboard input ... for to get MMS into debian, we have may not use internal libs (as far as possible) so we tried to switch over to ncurses ... but there are problems ;) |
| 12:26.11 | stew | lightning: can you give me a concrete example? |
| 12:26.26 | yup | seems, that they have only sources |
| 12:26.53 | lightning | stew: no |
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| 12:27.04 | lightning | stew: i just remember from testing it one day |
| 12:27.23 | lightning | stew: is my information incorrect, it most likely is |
| 12:27.30 | lightning | Uatschitchun: 1 moment |
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| 12:29.03 | utopia_ | yup, i am not sure then.. worse comes to worse, install it from the sources |
| 12:29.35 | lightning | Uatschitchun: why must you switch over? |
| 12:30.11 | yup | i'm trying netselect ( maybe my local mirror is outdated) |
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| 12:31.19 | Uatschitchun | lightning: We must not, but right now we ship termcap with upstream ... as termcap is quite old and we want to have MMS in debian, we thought of changing over to ncurses for it is up in debian ... we aim at using mainly external libs instead of internal ones (like with ffmpeg, libcommoncpp2, etc.) |
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| 12:32.40 | Uatschitchun | lightning: the main problem is a complete different concept with ncurses ... windows, input/output handling, etc. .. |
| 12:32.54 | lightning | Uatschitchun: I can only guess, and my guess is that they're possibly unconfigured, I would search online until my hearts content |
| 12:34.10 | stew | lightning: i wouldn't be suprised if they sometimes gave different results |
| 12:34.25 | zicho | like 5-8 seconds after i plug an USB Mass Storage device in, it automatically disconnected. My /var/log/messages tells me that it gets connected, but it gets disconnected right after. Can someone help me? =/ |
| 12:35.34 | liable | zicho: paste the log to a pastebot |
| 12:35.50 | ||arifaX | I am just trying to setup an anti-spam solution. is there a list of valid pyzor servers somewhere available? |
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| 12:36.24 | Uatschitchun | lightning: are you fit in termcap/ncurses? |
| 12:36.35 | lightning | don't know stew |
| 12:36.56 | Uatschitchun | lightning: For to maybe have a helpfuol look into the code? |
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| 12:37.02 | phix | hi |
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| 12:37.13 | phix | I was forwarded to #debian-overflow ftw? |
| 12:37.19 | phix | sif send me there |
| 12:37.23 | phix | bastards |
| 12:38.41 | stew | phix: yes, in order to prevent flooding from bots we limit the rate at which people are allowed to join the channel. it should only happen once in a blue moon, and it just means you should try again in 30 seconds or so |
| 12:38.50 | phix | I am not a bot! |
| 12:38.56 | phix | add that to your list of non-bots |
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| 12:39.16 | stew | phix: we don't have a list of bots or a list of non-bots, we just limit how fast anyone is able to join |
| 12:39.20 | phix | my IP is static so it should be easy |
| 12:39.29 | jetscreamer | bot |
| 12:39.37 | phix | jetscreamer: go away then |
| 12:39.40 | jetscreamer | !phix is a bot |
| 12:39.40 | dpkg | ...but phix is already something else... |
| 12:39.45 | jetscreamer | !phix |
| 12:39.45 | dpkg | from memory, phix is at phix.rm.org |
| 12:39.46 | fireba11 | haha |
| 12:39.50 | phix | heh |
| 12:39.56 | phix | oh good ol' dpkg |
| 12:39.56 | tarzeau | does someone have a script to extract email addresses as in something@something.some.tld as well as "some user <something@some.tld>" ? |
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| 12:40.14 | phix | tarzeau: I could make one for you |
| 12:40.15 | fireba11 | tarzeau: script in what language ? |
| 12:40.20 | tarzeau | phix: that would be great |
| 12:40.31 | tarzeau | fireba11: any shell code is fine, probably somehting with find and grep or just rgrep |
| 12:40.35 | Uatschitchun | lightning: Sorry ... have to go ... will come back later today ... thx ;) |
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| 12:40.45 | tarzeau | the latter being the preference, falling back to the first format |
| 12:41.11 | tarzeau | phix: i'd then run it against the BTS copy i have (about 23 GB) and put the results online for further statistics |
| 12:41.23 | phix | tarzeau: hmmm well I would use perl |
| 12:41.31 | tarzeau | phix: fine for me, if it just works, i'll just use it |
| 12:41.41 | jiminyK | What's the simplest way to install a KDE desktop without installing GNOME? I'm installing from Etch CD(s) onto an old PowerPC Mac, and I don't mind using the command line. OTOH, I'll cut my own hands off sooner than try to configure X11 from scratch again (don't ask ;o) |
| 12:41.44 | tarzeau | phix: it should just be about 5 lines of code |
| 12:41.58 | liable | ... |
| 12:42.11 | beardy | tarzeau: So.. why not write them? |
| 12:42.13 | phix | tarzeau: while(<STDIN>) { if(/someregs/) P{ .. } elsif (/someotherregx/) { .. } } |
| 12:42.22 | tarzeau | beardy: i don't do perl |
| 12:42.23 | phix | hmm a random P |
| 12:42.24 | fireba11 | jiminyK : install kde-base later ? |
| 12:42.26 | phix | excuse that |
| 12:42.30 | beardy | tarzeau: Bash. |
| 12:42.30 | tarzeau | phix: yes do the someregs please :) |
| 12:42.40 | tarzeau | beardy: yes if you have the script tell me the url |
| 12:42.42 | phix | tarzeau: fuck no :) you figure that out |
| 12:42.48 | tarzeau | phix: ok nobody has it, i write it |
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| 12:42.54 | phix | tarzeau: I don't know your context so it would be hard |
| 12:43.06 | xlotlu | do i want to install gift? |
| 12:43.11 | beardy | tarzeau: I'll see if I can reuse something. |
| 12:43.15 | tarzeau | phix: there's no context, i have 23 gb of files, and i want to extract all email addresses, preferably with the realname part |
| 12:43.16 | Shadur | xlotlu: Duno, do you? |
| 12:43.24 | jetscreamer | jiminyK: take all the check marks off the boxes in tasksel |
| 12:43.33 | phix | tarzeau: ok, I don |
| 12:43.35 | jetscreamer | and install kde later like he said |
| 12:43.42 | xlotlu | Shadur you troll |
| 12:43.46 | phix | 't remeber the email from address RFC |
| 12:43.51 | jetscreamer | gift kinda sucks last i checked xlotlu |
| 12:44.03 | xlotlu | gift as in gnu ift |
| 12:44.06 | liable | surely theres a spider out there that does exactly that |
| 12:44.15 | jiminyK | fireba11, jetscreamer: Thanks. That makes sense. |
| 12:44.16 | jetscreamer | gIFT ? |
| 12:44.23 | liable | instead of sending it to sites, point it at your files |
| 12:44.25 | tarzeau | liable: definitely, but where can i get the code? |
| 12:44.32 | yup | how can i check for package is in development/unstable/testing ? |
| 12:44.46 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 12:44.46 | dpkg | somebody said search was try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 12:44.47 | liable | tarzeau: dunno, i am not a spammer, so i dont have a url handy |
| 12:44.51 | stew | yup: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 12:45.01 | tarzeau | yup: installed ones? with apt-show-versions |
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| 12:45.08 | Shadur | xlotlu: I know the program. I haven't used it in ages, though. |
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| 12:45.15 | yup | not-installed |
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| 12:45.30 | tarzeau | liable: i see, but such a tool is not only useful for spammers (i'm not one, you know) |
| 12:45.36 | tarzeau | yup: what about you install it? |
| 12:45.39 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg info <package> <flavor> |
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| 12:45.52 | xlotlu | Shadur: wondering if it's worth giving it a go on my 30G of photos.. |
| 12:45.54 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg info xorg unstable |
| 12:47.13 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 12:47.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: grep From: ? :) |
| 12:47.54 | CalJohn | any non-java alternatives to "freemind" available? looking for mind-mapping type stuff. |
| 12:47.54 | jetscreamer | why does the gui 'debian menu' give me command line programs that don't work from the menu? |
| 12:48.03 | antgel | is demudi dead? #demudi certainly is |
| 12:48.24 | liable | antgel: oftc? |
| 12:48.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: i want ALL emails even those just mentioned in the mail bodies, and recipients as well |
| 12:48.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: and multi-line emails as in Firstname nextline Surename <mail> |
| 12:48.51 | antgel | liable: not according to their website, which is rather broken, so, yeah, maybe |
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| 12:49.01 | abrotman | tarzeau: you're evil .. i cannot help you anymore |
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| 12:49.07 | lightning | what is the ssh command to show the date? |
| 12:49.17 | beardy | lightning: Huh? |
| 12:49.22 | lightning | isn't it cal? |
| 12:49.22 | liable | ssh command? |
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| 12:49.25 | CalJohn | scratch my last question |
| 12:49.38 | azeem | lightning: ssh is not "shell" |
| 12:49.40 | antgel | liable: just joined #demudi in oftc - i have my own channel! with ops! \o/ |
| 12:49.43 | CalJohn | liable: the shell command? date for date, cal for calendar |
| 12:49.50 | beardy | ncal for new calendar |
| 12:49.55 | liable | antgel: woohoo |
| 12:49.57 | lightning | cal isn't working |
| 12:50.00 | beardy | !tell lightning about grounding |
| 12:50.12 | azeem | antgel: demudi is defunct, AFAIK |
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| 12:50.24 | liable | hrm, cal still works here |
| 12:50.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm evil, why? |
| 12:51.16 | antgel | azeem: ah. you know what happened? no resources? the idea is good, as music software in linux is moving so quickly |
| 12:51.21 | lightning | is cal part of a package? |
| 12:51.42 | azeem | antgel: I think their funding ran out and then the remaining member just decided to do things from inside Debian |
| 12:51.45 | azeem | but I'm not sure |
| 12:51.52 | beardy | lightning: Yes. But that is irrelevant, you want 'date'. |
| 12:51.58 | azeem | lightning: everything is part of a package |
| 12:52.01 | antgel | azeem: http://www.agnula.info/ |
| 12:52.24 | azeem | there you go |
| 12:52.34 | lightning | good call |
| 12:52.38 | enouf | antgel: i found 'dyne' a while back (multimedia oriented) to play with (though haven't yet) .. but this info isn't debian related per se |
| 12:53.01 | beardy | I also strongly suggest reading some of what dpkg told you about. For example The Debian Reference starting at chapter 2 IIRC. |
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| 12:53.12 | antgel | enouf: all i really want is some backports :) i'll have a word with the d-m team |
| 12:53.33 | abrotman | like you can even make music ... |
| 12:53.55 | antgel | abrotman: want to hear an oldish demo? |
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| 12:54.50 | abrotman | antgel: i have already :) |
| 12:54.54 | antgel | abrotman: i've been out of music for a few years now, but my ideas are still decent, and i'm starting to make time for such activities |
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| 12:55.10 | antgel | abrotman: ah, in #d-o way back |
| 12:55.13 | abrotman | antgel: i know .. you were in a band :) |
| 12:55.18 | beardy | antgel: I haven't, atleast I don't remember it. |
| 12:55.37 | antgel | beardy: what's the best way for me to transfer the .ogg to you? |
| 12:56.02 | antgel | i'm not part of the myspace generation, thank fuck |
| 12:56.11 | beardy | antgel: Put it at a webserver, is the best. DCC (no freenode will not tolerate it) otherwise. |
| 12:56.19 | liable | then you have your own web server |
| 12:56.32 | phix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:56.54 | liable | rly? |
| 12:56.58 | phix | srsly |
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| 12:57.20 | beardy | It's not so much of a generation thing, more of a cluething. |
| 12:57.42 | phix | hmm |
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| 12:58.04 | liable | i'm old and clueless, so i agree, i think |
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| 12:59.24 | beardy | I meant the other way around regarding the clue, but as long as you don't use it, or use it seriously. |
| 12:59.26 | timbobsteve | !xorg |
| 12:59.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.2. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg (freenode) |
| 12:59.49 | timbobsteve | !get xorg |
| 12:59.49 | dpkg | X.Org is in Etch but not in Sarge. xserver-xorg replaces XFree86's xserver-xfree86. updating x-window-system-core/x-window-system on Etch will bring it in. for X.org on Sarge, ask me about <xorg sarge> |
| 13:00.01 | antgel | beardy: /msg? |
| 13:00.04 | liable | dont do it |
| 13:00.11 | beardy | antgel: Sure. |
| 13:00.19 | beardy | !botmsg |
| 13:00.19 | dpkg | talk to me in /msg unless there is a reason to do it in the channel |
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| 13:00.37 | beardy | timbobsteve: And that is directed at YOU. |
| 13:00.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: i want to create a list of people involved in the debian bug tracking system, but are neither maintainer nor developer (debian users, that is) |
| 13:00.52 | abrotman | and you you you ... |
| 13:00.58 | timbobsteve | Hi all... xserver-xorg-core installs heaps of packages for drivers etc that I don't need. Any way to install the bare X with only the essential parts? |
| 13:01.04 | abrotman | tarzeau: why? |
| 13:01.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: you're exactly the reason people complain about their email not being obfuscated in the BTS |
| 13:01.27 | stew | timbobsteve: not without you selecting all of them individually yourself |
| 13:01.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: why not? wouldn't it be interesting to compare those numbers with the popcon user numbers and the other maintainer/developer numbers? |
| 13:01.37 | abrotman | xserver-xorg then the drivers? |
| 13:01.44 | abrotman | tarzeau: no .. it wouldn't |
| 13:01.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: wait, i can obfuscate the emails, that's not the problem is it? |
| 13:02.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: i meant the BTS doesn't |
| 13:02.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: i know |
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| 13:02.22 | timbobsteve | abrotman: installing just xserver-xorg installs almost the same amount of packages... even the drivers i don't need. |
| 13:03.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: is there bugreports against the bts asking for obfuscated email addresses? |
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| 13:03.27 | stew | timbobsteve: not if you install xserver-xorg with the actual drivers you need, if you don't specify any drivers, all are installed |
| 13:03.55 | timbobsteve | stew: sweet. will give that a go. THanks! |
| 13:03.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm sure there are numerous |
| 13:04.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: and why weren't those bugs fixed? (not that i'd bother) |
| 13:05.03 | abrotman | tarzeau: uhm .. because it was your job to fix it and you're lazy? :) |
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| 13:05.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: could you also fix jabber.org while you're at it ? |
| 13:05.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: hah :) i doubt, but yeah that was a funny answer |
| 13:05.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: i don't use it, so i don't care |
| 13:05.39 | abrotman | typical tarzeau excuse |
| 13:05.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: what about you fix it? |
| 13:05.59 | abrotman | fix which? |
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| 13:06.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: all and everything :) the things you mentioned |
| 13:06.19 | juliank | dir2ogg users: 0.11~alpha2 in experimental needs testing. Answers to this message in #dir2ogg on OFTC. |
| 13:06.28 | subx | what kind of stuff are you guys doing with debian at the moment? |
| 13:06.30 | tarzeau | is anyone in london next week in here? antgel? |
| 13:06.38 | abrotman | i didn't ask for the BTS to be fixed .. and i've turned down oppurtunities to fix j.org already |
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| 13:07.21 | tarzeau | subx: make plots, use the shell extensively, build software and run software? |
| 13:07.36 | subx | plots? |
| 13:08.01 | abrotman | dpkg: what are we going to do tonight |
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| 13:08.02 | dpkg | abrotman: Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world. |
| 13:08.07 | abrotman | you know .. plots |
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| 13:08.32 | beardy | Wikiplots. |
| 13:08.38 | subx | a chart? |
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| 13:08.54 | beardy | Nooo... evul plans! |
| 13:08.55 | tarzeau | subx: using ploticus: http://asdfasdf.debian.net/~tar/pkgstats/pie/dpkg.png |
| 13:08.57 | YGingras | what should I use for home voice mail? mgetty+vgetty? |
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| 13:09.01 | subx | i see.. |
| 13:09.01 | tarzeau | subx: and network maps using graphviz |
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| 13:09.23 | TheInfinity | hello ... does anybody know an alternative for dazuko? or any other idea how to realize an on access scanner for linux? |
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| 13:10.18 | subx | ms access? |
| 13:10.30 | beardy | Are you a troll? |
| 13:10.34 | darrh00 | whare can I find libc5 for debian testing now? |
| 13:10.34 | subx | no |
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| 13:10.44 | darrh00 | what's trole? |
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| 13:10.52 | TheInfinity | on access - if a file is touched ;) |
| 13:11.12 | subx | i see |
| 13:11.27 | naiv | i have a bugging USB DRIVE 250Go, is it safe to put it under the machine to test it ? |
| 13:11.36 | TheInfinity | its for a smb fileserver and the win clients put sometimes viruses on it which are run by other users |
| 13:11.47 | naiv | the disk make a lot of I/O errors |
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| 13:12.12 | TheInfinity | so i want to scan every file which is accessed in these smb shares |
| 13:12.27 | subx | clamav might do the job? |
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| 13:13.17 | TheInfinity | dont i need a kernel module like dazuko to get the hint "hey in folder ... a file is accessed"? |
| 13:13.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: thanks, i'll just try the grep for From: first, and see how the result looks |
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| 13:13.34 | TheInfinity | or any other module which does this? |
| 13:13.48 | antgel | TheInfinity: clamav and samba hook together |
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| 13:14.02 | stew | TheInfinity: apt-cache show gamin |
| 13:14.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's assuming raw mail |
| 13:14.27 | azeem | TheInfinity: what is dazuko? |
| 13:14.41 | abchirk | re... :) |
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| 13:15.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: the bts *.log data are raw mails, more or less, concatenated |
| 13:15.07 | TheInfinity | dazuko is a kernel module which is somehow an api for virus scanners - it fires an event if a file is read / write |
| 13:15.14 | abrotman | oka |
| 13:15.15 | TheInfinity | but its not in debian :/ |
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| 13:15.25 | azeem | TheInfinity: how is it different from inotify? |
| 13:15.42 | TheInfinity | i just found dazuko so i search for alternatives now ;) |
| 13:15.54 | TheInfinity | dont know inotify :9 |
| 13:15.56 | antgel | TheInfinity: http://www.openantivirus.org/projects.php - see samba-vscan |
| 13:16.03 | TheInfinity | thanks ... :) |
| 13:16.15 | antgel | who would have thought that would turn up on a google search for samba virus scan :| |
| 13:16.25 | XtypeWriter74 | hi. i am having problems with the configuration of my NFS Server Client, can somebody please take a look at my SETUP paste http://rafb.net/p/fiUFum58.html |
| 13:16.41 | TheInfinity | i searched for on access filescanner and found dazuko ;) |
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| 13:16.50 | zicho | like 5-8 seconds after i plug an USB Mass Storage device in, it automatically disconnected. My /var/log/messages tells me that it gets connected, but it gets disconnected right after. Can someone help me? =/ |
| 13:17.04 | TheInfinity | thanks at all :) |
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| 13:21.24 | abchirk | Anyone knows where kopete save the config file? |
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| 13:22.50 | antgel | XtypeWriter74: what do logs say? |
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| 13:24.53 | abchirk | ah in .kde/share/apps/kopete |
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| 13:27.24 | XtypeWriter74 | <antgel> what should i look for ? |
| 13:27.50 | antgel | XtypeWriter74: errors |
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| 13:29.26 | XtypeWriter74 | looked in /var/logs nothing |
| 13:29.35 | XtypeWriter74 | no errors |
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| 13:30.00 | Ace2016 | what output do you get when you run: echo $PKG_CONFIG_PATH |
| 13:30.04 | Ace2016 | ? |
| 13:30.30 | XtypeWriter74 | me? |
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| 13:31.00 | XtypeWriter74 | nothing? |
| 13:31.00 | Ace2016 | oh no i messed up something and i need to know what output that should give |
| 13:31.08 | stew | Ace2016: in general it would give no output |
| 13:31.22 | stew | well, a blank line |
| 13:31.23 | Ace2016 | under what circumstances does it give output? |
| 13:31.41 | stew | Ace2016: if you have for some reason set the PKG_CONFIG_PATH variable. in general it wouldn't be set |
| 13:31.49 | XtypeWriter74 | <antgel> i cannot find errors |
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| 13:32.26 | Ace2016 | ok thanks |
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| 13:34.31 | XtypeWriter74 | <antgel> maybe i should note that my CLIENT HDD is encrypted |
| 13:34.52 | Ace2016 | how do i unset something i set with export? |
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| 13:35.01 | antgel | XtypeWriter74: there must be something, if you mount and it fails. some logs. did you check auth.log? syslog? |
| 13:35.01 | stew | Ace2016: unset variablename |
| 13:35.06 | Ace2016 | ok |
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| 13:38.42 | antgel | XtypeWriter74: also, please un-obfuscate the IP addresses in your paste |
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| 13:39.40 | XtypeWriter74 | un-obfuscate? |
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| 13:40.00 | XtypeWriter74 | nothing auth.log |
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| 13:40.53 | jean11 | mplayer keeps on crashing after couple of mins. and toteem has a black screen. This is on amd64 any idea why. I switched the vo and either the sme thing happens or mplayer does not play the video at all |
| 13:40.59 | SORMANOV | is it possible to get back my data that were hosted on an LVM array ? the system wich was holding the LVM has crashed and now am having a new system up |
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| 13:42.15 | xand | SORMANOV: yes, restore from backup |
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| 13:42.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: i got it! http://asdfasdf.debian.net/~tar/bts/people.sh |
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| 13:45.10 | SORMANOV | xand, i meant, is it possible to see my data when i rebuild the LVM array ? |
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| 13:45.25 | SORMANOV | with vgcreate |
| 13:45.54 | XtypeWriter74 | gel> why should i un- obfuscate? |
| 13:46.26 | XtypeWriter74 | <antgel> why should i un- obfuscate? |
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| 13:47.54 | efaistos | does someone know some sms gpl solution available ? |
| 13:48.01 | tarzeau | is there a tool to convert this format into utf-8? From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=F6ran?= Weinholt <weinholt@dtek.chalmers.se> |
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| 13:49.47 | XtypeWriter74 | could there be a better way for my two computer to share data... since they are both hooked to the same router |
| 13:50.03 | XtypeWriter74 | other than nfs |
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| 13:50.28 | antgel | XtypeWriter74: so i can see wtf is going on |
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| 13:52.14 | knguru | hey guys, how can I add permissions for using the sound for a particular user? It says "have no permissions" etc |
| 13:52.35 | stew | knguru: 'adduser username audio' ; then logout and log back in |
| 13:52.52 | XtypeWriter74 | <antgel> i am sure that they are correctly explained in the paste.. S=xxx C=yyy (( i was told not to give my origanal IP's away )) |
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| 13:53.01 | XtypeWriter74 | S=yyy |
| 13:53.05 | XtypeWriter74 | C=xxx |
| 13:53.06 | XtypeWriter74 | :) |
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| 13:54.06 | knguru | thanks stew |
| 13:54.23 | XtypeWriter74 | and they are also as explained written correctly to the files |
| 13:54.29 | bzed | efaistos: apt-cache search sms send |
| 13:54.42 | XtypeWriter74 | in that manner to say |
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| 13:56.48 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 13:56.48 | dpkg | <debianstarfish> can i get to the internet from here? |
| 13:57.21 | efaistos | bzed: ;) but did anybody tried those solutions like alamin or gnokii |
| 13:57.32 | efaistos | and is there one better than other one ? |
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| 13:58.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: next i could start to uudeview (extract all media files from all the BTS) |
| 13:58.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: how about something useful ? |
| 13:58.24 | microtux | hi |
| 13:58.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: we could look if someone infiltrated the BTS with copyrighted material |
| 13:58.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: and file bugs against the bts that it infringes copyrights not following the dfsg and discuss if dfsg applies to bts or not |
| 13:59.01 | microtux | how can i use the gnome's logout boutton on xfce?? |
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| 14:05.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: you could .. fix bugs |
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| 14:07.31 | Knight_Lord | Is there a way to get the same behaviour on the keyboard as the apple us international? |
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| 14:07.59 | lectures4ever | hello |
| 14:08.44 | lectures4ever | i got a serious problem: I did a >apt-get upgrade-dist , after which my maximum screen resolution became 600x800 |
| 14:08.54 | tarzeau | lectures4ever: you mean 800x600? |
| 14:09.07 | lectures4ever | and when I tried running tasksel (for a desktop sys) aptitude failed |
| 14:09.10 | XtypeWriter74 | <antgel> must i run portmap also to have success with NFS |
| 14:09.18 | lectures4ever | also aptitude menu item in gnome + the debian menu disappeared |
| 14:09.29 | lectures4ever | please help b/c this is serious for me |
| 14:09.31 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 probably |
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| 14:10.08 | XtypeWriter74 | <antgel> if so , with what command do i do so i tried sudo /sbin/port map but result was the same |
| 14:10.28 | XtypeWriter74 | didnt want to touch the -i option |
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| 14:10.56 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 can't you do /etc/init.d/portmap restart? |
| 14:11.01 | lectures4ever | ok help for some other reason ? |
| 14:11.09 | abchirk | hm I tried to change my pubkey, but it still fails...I did what dpkg said. Do I have to download something more? |
| 14:11.11 | XtypeWriter74 | 1sec |
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| 14:11.47 | lectures4ever | i got a serious problem: I did a >apt-get upgrade-dist , after which my maximum screen resolution became 600x800 |
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| 14:12.11 | Knight_Lord | lectures4ever did you reboot? |
| 14:12.11 | Dominik[HTN] | Hi, does someone now a regular expresion for grep, with which a can find all lines with 1, 2 or 3 spaces in it |
| 14:12.29 | XtypeWriter74 | still failed |
| 14:12.34 | lectures4ever | Knight_Lord, yes |
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| 14:12.46 | lectures4ever | several times, because the first time xorg wouldn't even load |
| 14:12.50 | XtypeWriter74 | but the /etc/init.d/portmap worked |
| 14:13.05 | Knight_Lord | Dominik[HTN] something like ' {1,3}' probably |
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| 14:13.56 | lectures4ever | is sid without frame buffer support ? |
| 14:13.58 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 what's the nfs problem? |
| 14:14.11 | lectures4ever | would things get worse if i upgrade down to etch ? |
| 14:14.17 | Knight_Lord | lectures4ever what kind of card do you have? |
| 14:14.22 | XtypeWriter74 | http://rafb.net/p/fiUFum58.html all in there |
| 14:14.23 | XtypeWriter74 | :D |
| 14:14.25 | lectures4ever | i don't know |
| 14:14.32 | stew | lectures4ever: sid has framebuffer support. downgrading is not supported |
| 14:14.34 | Knight_Lord | lectures4ever nvidia or ati? |
| 14:14.37 | microtux | how can i use the gnome's logout boutton on xfce?? |
| 14:15.10 | lectures4ever | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82946GZ/GL Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) |
| 14:15.19 | lectures4ever | Knight_Lord, ^ ^ |
| 14:15.30 | XtypeWriter74 | <Knight_Lord> since i added the /etc/init.d/portmap command it comes before the last section then |
| 14:15.50 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 any reason to use the user space server? |
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| 14:16.34 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 why do you have an exports in your client? |
| 14:16.50 | Jean11 | how can I go down to Xorg 6. from 7.1.1 in Debian 4.0 amd64 |
| 14:16.55 | XtypeWriter74 | so i can share back and forth |
| 14:17.23 | XtypeWriter74 | user space server ? ( nfs-user-server ? ) |
| 14:17.37 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 yes |
| 14:17.46 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 as opposed to nfs-kernel-server |
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| 14:18.14 | lectures4ever | VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82946GZ/GL |
| 14:18.21 | XtypeWriter74 | <Knight_Lord> should i choose a different one, i am trying to connect to my ccomputers at home |
| 14:18.24 | lectures4ever | shall i make updates to lilo.conf or xorg.conf ? |
| 14:18.26 | XtypeWriter74 | ok |
| 14:19.06 | lectures4ever | shall I edit my lilo.conf or xorg.conf for monitor settings ? |
| 14:19.23 | lectures4ever | and is there finally a proper driver for that VGA device of mine ? |
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| 14:19.54 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 can you check if this works: mount 192.x.x.x:/media/SHARE211 /foo |
| 14:20.10 | XtypeWriter74 | one sec. |
| 14:20.20 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 run it on the client |
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| 14:20.42 | Knight_Lord | lectures4ever you have to fix your xorg.conf, but i don-t know why it's screwed up |
| 14:20.55 | Knight_Lord | lectures4ever you can try dpkg-reconfigure your xorg server |
| 14:21.09 | lectures4ever | ok i'll try that |
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| 14:21.32 | lectures4ever | is there a way to get my old xorg.conf back from before the upgrade to stupid sid ? |
| 14:21.58 | Knight_Lord | might be a backup in /etc/X11 |
| 14:22.25 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 by the way reboots are irrelevant |
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| 14:23.25 | petemc | lectures4ever: i think you put the word stupid in the wrong place in that statement |
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| 14:24.10 | antgel | before the stupid upgrade to sid |
| 14:24.36 | XtypeWriter74 | ok for the reboots; sudo mount 192.168.0.123:/media/SHARE211 /foo didnt work |
| 14:24.46 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 what error? |
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| 14:25.05 | XtypeWriter74 | <Knight_Lord> mount to NFS server '192.168.0.123' failed. |
| 14:25.08 | XtypeWriter74 | opps |
| 14:25.17 | XtypeWriter74 | :) |
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| 14:25.52 | lectures4ever | petemc: ok |
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| 14:26.13 | XtypeWriter74 | <Knight_Lord> i also switched from nfs-user to kernel-server |
| 14:26.31 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 your export line is a bit weird |
| 14:26.41 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 try just this |
| 14:26.41 | XtypeWriter74 | stopped servers and restarted portmap and then servers |
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| 14:26.45 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 your export line is a bit weird |
| 14:26.54 | Knight_Lord | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:27.16 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 you have to reload the nfs server on the server after |
| 14:27.21 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 no need to fiddle with portmap |
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| 14:27.27 | XtypeWriter74 | ok |
| 14:27.36 | Knight_Lord | try the mount again |
| 14:28.11 | gnube | is uname POSIX? |
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| 14:28.15 | gnube | or just linux-y? |
| 14:29.08 | Knight_Lord | gnube uname(2) is POSIX.1-2001 according to the man page |
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| 14:30.13 | gnube | Knight_Lord: Thank you, had no idea that man pages covered POSIX adherance, I should try that first next time. |
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| 14:30.33 | Knight_Lord | gnube but this is the system call not the program |
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| 14:31.00 | snowbird | need to find iptables gui i need to allow a port to open |
| 14:31.08 | Knight_Lord | gnube but i think you will find the program in most unix systems |
| 14:31.29 | grandal | Dell chooses ubuntu, now Lenovo chooses Novell. debian is being left in the altar. |
| 14:31.35 | Knight_Lord | snowbird fwbuilder is a nice one, but maybe too complex |
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| 14:32.04 | themill | snowbird: firestarter might work for you if you are just using a desktop system |
| 14:32.05 | grandal | is debian dying? |
| 14:32.13 | antgel | grandal: troll elsewhere |
| 14:32.16 | XtypeWriter74 | <Knight_Lord> didnt work again |
| 14:32.17 | snowbird | ok th mill |
| 14:32.22 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 same error? |
| 14:32.30 | snowbird | i know firestarter |
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| 14:32.39 | grandal | antgel, not a troll. its a stimulating comment. |
| 14:32.49 | XtypeWriter74 | <Knight_Lord> yes |
| 14:32.56 | azeem | grandal: it's at least off-topic here |
| 14:32.58 | grandal | or rather, question. |
| 14:33.24 | snowbird | isnt there one bye defalt in etch |
| 14:33.26 | grandal | aseem, its about debian. |
| 14:33.41 | stew | grandal: this is a support channel, not a discussion channel |
| 14:33.43 | grandal | !op |
| 14:33.49 | phix | heh |
| 14:33.50 | XtypeWriter74 | <Knight_Lord> oh SERVER mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 14:33.56 | stew | !forget op |
| 14:33.57 | dpkg | i forgot op, stew |
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| 14:34.11 | grandal | !op azeem |
| 14:34.20 | XtypeWriter74 | <Knight_Lord> oh SERVER mount: mount to NFS server '192.xxx.xxx.xxx' failed |
| 14:34.27 | XtypeWriter74 | °oh = on |
| 14:34.54 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 you tried that commands on the client right? |
| 14:35.39 | XtypeWriter74 | yes i did also |
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| 14:35.56 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 because it won't work on the server |
| 14:35.58 | grandal | when will the next release be? |
| 14:36.04 | themill | grandal: hardly. look at the stats. etch->sid is 3000 more packages and 10GB more installed size. That's hardly dying. |
| 14:36.07 | XtypeWriter74 | mount 192.x.x.x:/media/SHARE211 /foo |
| 14:36.23 | stew | grandal: there is no way to know when the next release will be |
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| 14:36.47 | XtypeWriter74 | maybe nfs is missing somewhere since it reads on the server : mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
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| 14:37.04 | grandal | themill, ekiga is at 2.0.9, but lenny's is 2.0.3. |
| 14:37.13 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 you did install nfs-common everywhere right? |
| 14:37.14 | themill | !when will lenyy release |
| 14:37.17 | themill | !when will lenny release |
| 14:37.17 | dpkg | Lenny will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. |
| 14:37.29 | XtypeWriter74 | -t maybe nfs |
| 14:37.30 | themill | grandal: so? |
| 14:37.34 | h3sp4wn | grandal: sid's is 2.0.9 |
| 14:37.43 | grandal | stew, are you speaking with knowledge or is that only an opinion? |
| 14:37.43 | h3sp4wn | grandal: hence it means its likely broken |
| 14:37.47 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 -t nfs should not be required |
| 14:38.05 | XtypeWriter74 | no, i didnt work either |
| 14:38.19 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 what debian version are you using? |
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| 14:38.26 | grandal | h3sp4wn, u mean 2.0.9? |
| 14:38.26 | XtypeWriter74 | etch stable |
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| 14:38.40 | stew | grandal: debian will release lenny when the release goals have been met and there are no release critical bugs. since it is impossible to predict when there will be no release critical bugs, and the release goals haven't even been set yet, there is no way someone could predict |
| 14:39.03 | themill | !tell grandal about releases |
| 14:39.19 | themill | grandal: you have some reading to do before you start causing trouble... :) |
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| 14:39.38 | gnube | heh |
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| 14:40.05 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 try rpcinfo -p server from the client |
| 14:40.09 | grandal | themill, ubuntu release even has packages from sid, am i not right? |
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| 14:40.22 | stew | grandal: ask #ubuntu ; ubuntu is off-topic here |
| 14:40.30 | Sivik | php 5 is install but plesk is only reading php 4.4, how do i make plesk see php 5 |
| 14:40.35 | antgel | i think he knows that |
| 14:40.46 | h3sp4wn | grandal: 2.0.9-3 |
| 14:40.54 | antgel | Sivik: what have you tried, and what is the problem? |
| 14:40.58 | grandal | stew, STFU and GFY. |
| 14:41.05 | XtypeWriter74 | http://rafb.net/p/hZakMB18.html |
| 14:41.12 | themill | grandal: ubuntu releases things every 6 months. They do what they please using the debian archive and their own patches. If you want to know more about how ubuntu knows when a release is ready (or not), then ask in #ubuntu |
| 14:41.25 | h3sp4wn | !kill grandal |
| 14:41.27 | antgel | Ronin: pass the popcorn |
| 14:41.35 | Ronin | on its way antgel |
| 14:41.39 | Sivik | antgel, customer called in and said they needed php 5 install, i went to do an aptitude install php 5 and it says there is nothing to do, with normally means its installed, but plesk is seeing php 4:4.3.10-22 |
| 14:41.39 | gnube | !kill grandal |
| 14:41.41 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 so portmap is working and nfs is working |
| 14:41.57 | gnube | A knoppix CD! Brilliant! |
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| 14:42.01 | XtypeWriter74 | it says so? |
| 14:42.09 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 try changing your export file to |
| 14:42.14 | themill | gnube: pity it wasn't an aol cd... they're much more fun |
| 14:42.16 | antgel | Sivik: don't you need to configure plesk accordingly? |
| 14:42.19 | gnube | Sivik: Did you re-start apache? |
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| 14:42.33 | loesh | hmm, might be a slightly unrelated question, i have two boxes running etch 'a' and 'b', both act as nfs servers and nfs clients. box 'a' mounts an nfs share from box 'b' just fine, but when box 'b' tries to mount a share of box 'a' i get: mount to NFS server 'a' failed: server is down. |
| 14:42.49 | Knight_Lord | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.54 | antgel | loesh: logs? |
| 14:43.04 | themill | Sivik: apache2 or 1.3? |
| 14:43.08 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 in ONE line of course |
| 14:43.09 | Sivik | 2 |
| 14:43.16 | loesh | antgel, where does nfs log stuff? |
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| 14:43.17 | gnube | loesh: both are configured with portmap and correct /etc/exports, etc.? |
| 14:43.23 | themill | Sivik: what's the output of apt-cache policy libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 14:43.28 | loesh | gnube, as far as i can tell they both are.. |
| 14:43.36 | loesh | i am far from an expert on that area though... |
| 14:43.41 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 then /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server reload |
| 14:43.42 | antgel | loesh: syslog? auth.log? ls -lrt /var/log after trying a mount |
| 14:43.47 | Sivik | themill: thats not installed |
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| 14:43.55 | Sivik | installed: none |
| 14:44.03 | themill | Sivik: that might be your problem.... |
| 14:44.08 | XtypeWriter74 | and that also in the same line to 192.xxx.xxx.xxx ? |
| 14:44.09 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 and then on the client mount server:/media/SHARE211 /foo |
| 14:44.23 | themill | Sivik: You would normally use that module to actually provide php to apache. Unless you want to run php as a cgi. |
| 14:44.30 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 I want the export in the server to only have what i typed |
| 14:44.34 | loesh | antgel, ok i will have a look... |
| 14:44.35 | gnube | Sivik: Yeah, that is the module that patches php to Apache |
| 14:44.38 | XtypeWriter74 | ok |
| 14:44.40 | Sivik | themill, not sure, because its trhough plesk |
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| 14:45.02 | gnube | Sivik: So you have no access to the machine aside from plesk? |
| 14:45.12 | gnube | Sivik: Can you ssh in? |
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| 14:45.25 | themill | Sivik: how about the same command for libapache2-mod-php4? |
| 14:45.30 | gnube | Man, plesk seems to just get in teh way if you ask me. |
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| 14:45.47 | XtypeWriter74 | sudo mount 192.168.0.123:/media/SHARE211 /foo |
| 14:45.49 | XtypeWriter74 | mount to NFS server '192.168.0.123' failed. |
| 14:45.49 | Sivik | themill, its the 4.4 thing that plesk says |
| 14:46.04 | themill | Sivik: that means that apache2 is using php4 not php5. |
| 14:46.08 | Sivik | the output from trying to install the libapache2 for php 5 is as foolow: http://pastebin.com/m5b01bff1 |
| 14:46.21 | Sivik | themill, ok, how do i fix said issue |
| 14:46.31 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 you did reload the nfs server right? |
| 14:46.38 | loesh | antgel, hmm, i dont se anything related to mounting in the logs of either machine :/ |
| 14:46.50 | gnube | Sivik: Did you restart apache? |
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| 14:46.59 | XtypeWriter74 | yes : sudo /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server reload |
| 14:47.03 | antgel | loesh: hmm, then i can't help you. not even auth.log? |
| 14:47.09 | XtypeWriter74 | Re-exporting.... |
| 14:47.11 | gnube | Sivik: You have to do an apachectl graceful |
| 14:47.20 | gnube | Sivik: Then check you server signature |
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| 14:47.25 | themill | Sivik: you're running etch not sarge aren't you? Can you pastebin your sources.list? |
| 14:47.28 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 do the mount with -v option |
| 14:47.32 | loesh | antgel, no i cant seem to find anything :/ should it be present on the server or the client? |
| 14:47.35 | Sivik | themill, i have no clue, its a clients computer |
| 14:47.46 | gnube | Sivik: Did you restart apache? |
| 14:47.55 | themill | gnube: it looks like php5 isn't installed |
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| 14:48.30 | Sivik | this is what happens when i try to install php5: http://pastebin.com/m62cf2bb4 |
| 14:48.30 | gnube | themill: Sorry, I did not look at pastebin closely enough, I bet you're right. |
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| 14:48.40 | antgel | loesh: as i recall, on the server. but you're the second one today to see nothing (other is XtypeWriter74. maybe it's my imagination. also, check for firewalls, make sure portmap is running and listening, net just bound to loopback |
| 14:48.44 | XtypeWriter74 | <Knight_Lord> http://rafb.net/p/rNleuy96.html |
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| 14:49.01 | Sivik | here is the sources.list: http://pastebin.com/m270b32f5 |
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| 14:49.30 | themill | Sivik: ahhh... there's no official php5 for sarge. |
| 14:49.32 | gnube | Sivik: Yeah, that looks like sarge to me |
| 14:49.42 | Sivik | ok, then why is there when i do a aptitude search |
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| 14:49.48 | loesh | antgel, oh well seems to be some odd thing then, i have checked all those things :/ and to tthe best of my knowledge it seems to be correct.. |
| 14:50.07 | Sivik | http://pastebin.com/m14b686b8 |
| 14:50.19 | antgel | loesh: yeah, you've checked with netstat -an? if all else fails, strace your mount command :) |
| 14:50.44 | antgel | Sivik: there isn't, as you saw when you did the show command. it wasn't ready for sarge |
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| 14:51.14 | themill | did php5 ever go into sarge-proposed-updates? |
| 14:51.17 | decavolt | I have (what should be) a simple crontab question. I've put a command into cron via crontab -e, have triple checked the syntax and the command I'm trying to run, but cron doesn't run the command. Do I need to restart/reset cron after an edit/update? |
| 14:51.21 | stew | themill: certainly not |
| 14:51.33 | subx | ive setup a bin/bash script to grab some files what are numbered 000-040, intead of writing out the same command 40 times, is there a way to get the script count through the files? |
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| 14:51.46 | themill | stew: didn't think so. Can you have a look at the last two pastebins from Sivik? |
| 14:52.03 | Sivik | themill, then i will have to compile php5 from source and then figure out how to make it tie to apache |
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| 14:52.19 | gnube | decavolt: is cron running as a deamon? |
| 14:52.29 | gnube | decavolt: ps aux | grep cron |
| 14:52.37 | decavolt | gnube, not sure there. It's just a fresh deb install. Checking... |
| 14:52.43 | stew | themill: what about them? |
| 14:52.49 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 on the client do "rpcinfo -u server nfs" |
| 14:52.59 | decavolt | gnube, it's running, yes |
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| 14:53.06 | themill | stew: how does aptitude know about php5 packages with that sources.list? |
| 14:53.16 | stew | themill: from some unofficial source |
| 14:53.22 | decavolt | as root - /usr/sbin/cron |
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| 14:53.31 | gnube | decavolt: can you pastebin your crontab, maybe I can help you. (cron needs PATH information and such.) |
| 14:53.43 | decavolt | gnube, sure, thanks |
| 14:53.45 | stew | themill: php5sb is certainly not from a debian source |
| 14:53.46 | loesh | antgel, hmm, seems like it might be related to locales ... |
| 14:53.59 | XtypeWriter74 | <Knight_Lord> rpcinfo: server is unknown host |
| 14:54.05 | antgel | loesh: you got something in the strace? |
| 14:54.15 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 replace server by the server IP |
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| 14:54.32 | antgel | XtypeWriter74: don't type things you don't understand :) |
| 14:54.44 | themill | stew: hmmm.... interesting. the sources.list looks pretty vanilla |
| 14:54.45 | loesh | antgel, yea failure to open /usr/share/locale/en.ISO-8859-15/LC_MESSAGES/libc.mo and some other files liek that |
| 14:54.47 | Knight_Lord | my mistake |
| 14:54.59 | loesh | antgel, could that be the cause you think? |
| 14:55.19 | XtypeWriter74 | <antgel> what do u mean ? |
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| 14:55.26 | XtypeWriter74 | <antgel> what did i type |
| 14:55.28 | antgel | loesh: hmm, not sure if that would cause a mounting error, you generally want to look near the end of the strace to see what the problem was |
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| 14:55.36 | antgel | !tell XtypeWriter74 about u |
| 14:55.38 | decavolt | gnube, --> http://rafb.net/p/3Yo7s936.html |
| 14:55.51 | loesh | antgel, those are the lines at the bottom, right before the failure.. |
| 14:55.54 | themill | Stew: what does the "v" for a package mean in the aptitude output? I can't remember |
| 14:55.57 | loesh | !pastebin |
| 14:55.58 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
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| 14:56.32 | maxdoubt | is there a way for RAID1 to autorecover once a disk goes down? |
| 14:56.45 | XtypeWriter74 | <antgel> ?? |
| 14:56.45 | maxdoubt | i imagine there's some setting i need in mdadm.conf? |
| 14:56.45 | Knight_Lord | maxdoubt what do you mean by autorecover? |
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| 14:56.48 | talisker[w] | Hi, does anyone know of a remote desktop server that is able to hold multiple sessions of the same user? |
| 14:56.57 | antgel | XtypeWriter74: if you want to know what you typed, think back a few minutes, or scroll up. HTH |
| 14:56.59 | XtypeWriter74 | <Knight_Lord> program 100003 is not available |
| 14:57.09 | gnube | decavolt: Is /usr/local/bin in cron's PATH? |
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| 14:57.10 | maxdoubt | Knight_Lord, like, once it sees a disk, it adds in back in the array and starts syncing it |
| 14:57.13 | Knight_Lord | maxdoubt you have to remove the failed disk from the array and reinsert it again if you want to use it again |
| 14:57.24 | decavolt | gnube, not that I'm aware of. I haven't manually added it. |
| 14:57.32 | abrotman | decavolt: take the . out |
| 14:57.38 | loesh | antgel, http://paste.lisp.org/display/45749 if you care to take a look |
| 14:57.41 | abrotman | oh .. maybe not |
| 14:57.47 | Knight_Lord | maxdoubt mdadm /dev/md0 -r /dev/sdX if i'm not mistaken |
| 14:57.48 | maxdoubt | Knight_Lord, right... once I physically plug the disc back in, i have to manually, mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/mydisk |
| 14:57.49 | stew | themill: virtual. they are mentioned in a package relationship, but they aren't available as actual packages |
| 14:57.55 | decavolt | abrotman, ..what . ? |
| 14:58.04 | themill | stew: ahh... that explains it all. thanks. |
| 14:58.13 | abrotman | decavolt: ignore me |
| 14:58.13 | Sivik | themill, i'm installing the php 5 from .deb packages, its saying that libapache2-mod-php5 is conflicting with mod-php4 but when i go to remove mod-php4, it wants to remove a whole list of crap and i don't want to do that |
| 14:58.13 | gnube | decavolt: You may have to su to cron and echo $PATH to check. |
| 14:58.20 | XtypeWriter74 | <Knight_Lord> pis still don't get it... HTH |
| 14:58.22 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 on the client run rpcinfo -p server_IP |
| 14:58.23 | decavolt | gnube, thanks, checking |
| 14:58.29 | stew | Sivik: where did you get the php5 debs? |
| 14:58.29 | themill | Sivik: where did you get the .debs from? |
| 14:58.36 | gnube | heh |
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| 14:58.46 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 you don't happen to have any funny kind of firewalls going around do you? |
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| 14:58.49 | Sivik | packages.debain.org |
| 14:59.00 | themill | Sivik: not for sarge you didn't... |
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| 14:59.03 | stew | Sivik: don't. there are no php5 debs for sarge there |
| 14:59.06 | maxdoubt | Knight_Lord, i just want it so that, if the system sees that there's a disk, it automatically adds it back into the array |
| 14:59.06 | stew | Sivik: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 14:59.09 | antgel | loesh: i think it fails before the locale lines, nearer to read(3, 0x805f438, 400) = -1 ECONNRESET (Connection reset by peer) |
| 14:59.11 | decavolt | gnube, is (after su) echo $PATH what you're looking for? |
| 14:59.18 | Sivik | stew? |
| 14:59.22 | themill | Sivik: is your background fedora or rhel? |
| 14:59.28 | stew | dpkg: tell Sivik about bpo |
| 14:59.28 | XtypeWriter74 | i have a router, but i wasn't a problem in the past ... since i have set up an NFS before when i was use´ing ubuntu |
| 14:59.31 | Sivik | themill, debian/ubuntu |
| 14:59.36 | frankr | I need a super simple picture viewer |
| 14:59.38 | decavolt | gnube, or do I need to echo [something specific to cron] $PATH ? |
| 14:59.47 | frankr | not even anything with a library something that will just view pictures that isn't eog |
| 14:59.49 | Knight_Lord | maxdoubt but if the disk has just been marked as faulty like from a degraded raid1 it obviously will not use it |
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| 14:59.53 | loesh | antgel, sounds very probable |
| 14:59.56 | frankr | and also scale them to screen size |
| 14:59.59 | themill | Sivik: hmmm... it's normally fedora ppl who want to download random debs and try installing them :) |
| 15:00.06 | themill | Sivik: you just can't do that. |
| 15:00.07 | Knight_Lord | maxdoubt so you want to be able to hotplug anydisk and have it automatically added to your raid1? |
| 15:00.11 | maxdoubt | Knight_Lord, yes |
| 15:00.13 | antgel | loesh: it seems to connect as the connect () returns 0. try stracing the server process? |
| 15:00.24 | gnube | decavolt: Well, you _become_ cron and the issue this command: $echo $PATH |
| 15:00.25 | XtypeWriter74 | <Knight_Lord> No remote programs registered. |
| 15:00.27 | themill | Sivik: Have a look for some php5 packages from backports.org as stew suggested. |
| 15:00.28 | decavolt | gnube, ah, answered my own last - cron /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin |
| 15:00.30 | Sivik | themill, i kinda figured they might work |
| 15:00.31 | Knight_Lord | maxdoubt mdadm doesn-t do that by itself |
| 15:00.35 | Sivik | themill, working on that right now |
| 15:00.38 | decavolt | gnube, ah ok |
| 15:00.42 | themill | Sivik: snowflakes chance in hell of them working |
| 15:00.42 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 repeat the command on the server now |
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| 15:00.45 | maxdoubt | Knight_Lord, so i'd need to script a solution to put in rc.local or something? |
| 15:00.48 | gnube | decavolt: Hmm. It looks like is there. |
| 15:00.49 | loesh | antgel, ok ill try that.. |
| 15:00.55 | Knight_Lord | maxdoubt or probably cron or something |
| 15:00.57 | Sivik | themill, i love the way u just put that |
| 15:01.05 | antgel | !tell Sivik about u |
| 15:01.14 | gnube | decavolt: Is ices executable? |
| 15:01.17 | decavolt | Yes |
| 15:01.19 | Knight_Lord | maxdoubt how are you gonna hotplug things by the way? |
| 15:01.26 | XtypeWriter74 | <Knight_Lord> same there too |
| 15:01.29 | decavolt | gnube, yes. I can run it manually from a bash alias |
| 15:01.38 | Sivik | antgel, its easier to write u rather than you |
| 15:01.40 | decavolt | gnube, or directly without the alias |
| 15:01.41 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 try rpcinfo -p localhost on the server |
| 15:01.42 | maxdoubt | Knight_Lord, you mean, add drives while the system is on? |
| 15:01.46 | Knight_Lord | maxdoubt yes |
| 15:01.55 | Knight_Lord | maxdoubt that's hotplug |
| 15:01.56 | Sivik | themill, the list that he gave me says for etch, do i just change that the sarge |
| 15:02.10 | antgel | Sivik: i couldn't give a fuck, it's not english and it's painful to read |
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| 15:02.30 | stew | antgel: then use /ignore |
| 15:02.30 | maxdoubt | Knight_Lord, oh i don't think i want that... the box will be shutdown... and then turned on, and then my script would detect whether we have a degraded array and then if there are disks available that aren't a part of it, and then add them in i guess |
| 15:02.53 | Sivik | antgel, such nasty language |
| 15:02.54 | antgel | stew: i don't feel that's appropriate |
| 15:03.11 | stew | antgel: if reading what he is writing is causing you pain, it is certainly appropriate |
| 15:03.14 | XtypeWriter74 | looks simular to my last paste |
| 15:03.16 | Knight_Lord | maxdoubt ok you?l have to do that with a script because mdadm doesnt appropriate disks that are not already marked by it |
| 15:03.18 | antgel | Sivik: welcome to the real world |
| 15:03.29 | Sivik | antgel, well, most channels grip about it |
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| 15:03.48 | Knight_Lord | maxdoubt you will have to be careful with such scripts because device names for disks can change pretty wildly |
| 15:04.12 | maxdoubt | Knight_Lord, this is only a 2 disk system... so it will only apply to /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 |
| 15:04.27 | Knight_Lord | maxdoubt yes but you add a third disk, lets say |
| 15:04.33 | Knight_Lord | maxdoubt how do you know you added a new one? |
| 15:04.40 | maxdoubt | Knight_Lord, we will never add a 3rd |
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| 15:04.44 | antgel | stew: if he doesn't know, then i'd like to give him the chance to speak properly - to me /ig is a last resort |
| 15:04.47 | XtypeWriter74 | <Knight_Lord> looks simular to my last paste http://rafb.net/p/hZakMB18.html |
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| 15:04.52 | Knight_Lord | maxdoubt ok but you take one out and put one in |
| 15:04.59 | ttl- | greetings everyone |
| 15:05.02 | KOC | Is it possible to use rsync if the remote server allows scp and sftp access, but not access to ssh? |
| 15:05.08 | Knight_Lord | maxdoubt ok then you can compare with the output from mdadm i guess |
| 15:05.13 | XtypeWriter74 | <Knight_Lord> looks even the same |
| 15:05.18 | Dewi | KOC: probably not |
| 15:05.22 | Dewi | KOC: why no ssh? |
| 15:05.27 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 you are blocking ports on your server |
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| 15:05.33 | KOC | Dewi: my backup provider just shut it off |
| 15:05.38 | maxdoubt | Knight_Lord, since its a sata port, it should always come up as /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 |
| 15:05.48 | Dewi | KOC: ask them to allow rsync as well as scp and sftp? |
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| 15:05.53 | Dewi | KOC: they all run over ssh |
| 15:05.58 | KOC | Dewi: that was my first step |
| 15:05.58 | Knight_Lord | maxdoubt yes, you should be fine |
| 15:06.10 | Knight_Lord | maxdoubt just that the order that they came up can change |
| 15:06.19 | KOC | Dewi: they just upgraded servers and added that feature when they did (the feature being they can not allow shell logins) |
| 15:06.25 | stew | antgel: if you are trying to be constructive, be constructive instead of taking the tone of "i could give a fuck" |
| 15:06.29 | Knight_Lord | maxdoubt not related to physical hardware, but that sholdn't be a problem if you are aware of it |
| 15:06.44 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 you are blocking at least port 111 on your server |
| 15:07.02 | KOC | Dewi: Does rsync do magic stuff using a shell behind the scenes? |
| 15:07.02 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 you can confirm if by trying "telnet localhost 111" which should work and then |
| 15:07.03 | gnube | decavolt: You are sure that the ices script has no effect? Are you looking for it to create some sore of output? |
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| 15:07.14 | Dewi | KOC: rsync is just a command |
| 15:07.28 | Dewi | KOC: far as I know it doesn't need a shell except to start it |
| 15:07.28 | KOC | Dewi: i mean when you call it :) |
| 15:07.34 | gnube | decavolt: Perhaps you could have it write to a log and then run it, then run it from cron to see if it works in both cases. |
| 15:07.43 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 "telnet server_IP 111" which will not connect |
| 15:07.45 | SORMANOV | how can i rm 10000 files with one command ? rm -f * doesnt remove this amount of files |
| 15:07.50 | ttl- | I have 1 internet connection a Debian router/firewall doing NAT for the internet connection. I have 3 PC's using the shared internet connection. I want to be able to see how much of internet traffic (up/down) is going to each PC on my local net. |
| 15:08.01 | snowbird | do i knned to edit sorce for fire fox? |
| 15:08.01 | decavolt | gnube: yes. When it starts, it drops a log entry and it connects to a server that I'm also monitoring. If I start it manually, I see the log entry and the connection to the server. With cron, I get nothing. |
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| 15:08.02 | Dewi | KOC: it really is quite similar to scp and sftp in the way that it works |
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| 15:08.07 | Knight_Lord | SORMANOV you can try the find -exec rm {} |
| 15:08.09 | antgel | SORMANOV: find -name (whatever) -exec rm {} \; or similar |
| 15:08.19 | Knight_Lord | SORMANOV another idea is xargs |
| 15:08.19 | antgel | !poke Knight_Lord |
| 15:08.31 | Dewi | ouch |
| 15:08.39 | stew | SORMANOV: "echo * | xargs rm -f" |
| 15:08.44 | Dewi | don't there need to be quotes in there or something |
| 15:08.49 | Dewi | argh! |
| 15:08.50 | Dewi | stop! |
| 15:09.01 | Dewi | the bad shell snippets that delete files are hurting my eyes |
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| 15:09.02 | XtypeWriter74 | <Knight_Lord> says trying 127.0.0.1 connected to local host Escape is ´^]´ |
| 15:09.03 | decavolt | gnube: the log entry is written before it attempts to connect to the server, so whether the connection is a success or failure, I still see the log entry. But through cron, I'm getting no log results. |
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| 15:09.12 | KOC | xargs is very dangerous if you aren't careful |
| 15:09.15 | Dewi | try something safer like: |
| 15:09.20 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 try with the server IP now, and you'll see it doesn |
| 15:09.23 | Dewi | find -name 'whatever' -print0 | xargs -0r rm |
| 15:09.25 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 't work |
| 15:09.32 | XtypeWriter74 | and now coneection closed by foreign host |
| 15:09.33 | Dewi | ^^^ much much safer |
| 15:09.35 | stew | Dewi: what is a situation where that is safer? |
| 15:09.45 | Dewi | stew: spaces in filenames, quotes in filenames, and all that jazz |
| 15:09.53 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 you are firewalling your server, that's why you can't use it |
| 15:09.58 | stew | Dewi: and it is therefore safer becuase it will remove more files? |
| 15:10.03 | zea | i'm trying to access the scanner with both xsane and xscanimage but they both return device busy. scanimage -L identifies the scanner well. what might be wrong? how can I see what processes are using a particular file (in this case, /dev/bus/usb/001/002) ? |
| 15:10.15 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 do you have iptables installed or something? |
| 15:10.20 | antgel | !tell zea about lsof |
| 15:10.24 | Dewi | stew: no, because the versions I saw before that will see "this is a file" and remove 4 files: this, is, a, and file |
| 15:10.28 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 does iptables -L shows anything on the server? |
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| 15:11.09 | Dewi | stew: normally I wouldn't be so pedantic but where mass removing is involved.... :P |
| 15:11.10 | stew | Dewi: i understand that mine might fail to remove some files in those cases, but mine possibly removing fewer files doesn't make it less safe. less guaranteed effective maybe |
| 15:11.13 | KOC | ohhh |
| 15:11.17 | Kervan | I use intel 855 chipset graphic card. How can I test the correct installation of my card. Or does debian 4 supports my card? |
| 15:11.20 | Dewi | stew: no, it will remove FOUR instead of ONE |
| 15:11.24 | Dewi | stew: as I just said |
| 15:11.37 | antgel | Kervan: just use it. should work fine |
| 15:11.40 | stew | Dewi: it would not remove anything that yours wouldn't remove |
| 15:11.47 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 completely comment out your hosts.deny file in the server |
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| 15:12.09 | Dewi | stew: ffs. read my example. this command deletes 4 files: rm this is a file |
| 15:12.19 | Dewi | stew: your example will generate such commands |
| 15:12.23 | stew | Dewi: yes, if those files existed yours would also remove those files |
| 15:12.26 | Dewi | stew: with as few as one file |
| 15:12.27 | Kervan | I can use X windows does this mean installed correctly? |
| 15:12.35 | Dewi | stew: no, mine wouldn't, because I properly protected the names |
| 15:12.36 | themill | Sivik: I don't know if backports still has sarge packages around |
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| 15:12.41 | Dewi | stew: separating them with character zero |
| 15:12.43 | XtypeWriter74 | <Knight_Lord> yes... Chain Input (policy ACCEPT target prot opt source destination FORWARD ACCEPT the same OUTPUT ACCEPT also the same |
| 15:12.44 | antgel | Kervan: yes, unless you also expect your card to make you coffee :) |
| 15:12.49 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 yea your hosts.allow does not work |
| 15:12.55 | stew | Dewi: so yours wouldn't remove all of the files in the directory? i think it would |
| 15:13.03 | Dewi | stew: only the ones with the specified name |
| 15:13.10 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 comment out your hosts.deny |
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| 15:13.21 | stew | Dewi: so agin, mine wouldn't remove any files that yours wouldn't |
| 15:13.21 | XtypeWriter74 | ok i did |
| 15:13.23 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 that nasty ALL: aLL line |
| 15:13.29 | Knight_Lord | try the telnet server ip again |
| 15:13.43 | Dewi | stew: yes, it would. if there was a file called 'this is a file' it would remove FOUR FILES: this, is, a, and file |
| 15:13.49 | Dewi | stew: instead of 'this is a file' |
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| 15:13.58 | stew | Dewi: yours would remove the file named "this" as well if it existed |
| 15:14.03 | Dewi | no, it would NOT |
| 15:14.06 | Dewi | try it if you want |
| 15:14.17 | zea | antgel: thank you. apprarently the file is unused and still strace shows open() returning 5 when running scanimage :S |
| 15:14.17 | stew | Dewi: does yours not remove every file in the directory? |
| 15:14.28 | Dewi | stew: only those specified by the find rules |
| 15:14.42 | Dewi | stew: yours would do random things when confronted by any "special" character |
| 15:14.50 | Dewi | stew: during the find -> xargs step |
| 15:14.53 | antgel | zea: permissions? does it work as root? (for testing only) |
| 15:14.57 | stew | Dewi: but nothing unsafe in the context of "i'd like to remove every file in this directory" |
| 15:15.02 | zea | antgel: just about to check that : |
| 15:15.03 | zea | :) |
| 15:15.13 | Kervan | antgel: I was using kubuntu with the same card. I could use X window but I couldn't use Berly... |
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| 15:15.21 | Dewi | stew: actually it could, depending on how bizarre your filenames are |
| 15:15.35 | Dewi | stew: oh, wait |
| 15:15.38 | stew | Dewi: hwo could it? what is such a circumstance? |
| 15:15.54 | stew | Dewi: since its not rm -r and / is not allowed in a filename |
| 15:16.02 | Dewi | stew: I guess there's no bash involved |
| 15:16.06 | themill | Sivik: they do, and there is a php5 package in there, so yes, you can use sarge-backports |
| 15:16.15 | Dewi | stew: so it will only react to whatever exargs reacts to |
| 15:16.24 | stew | echo * is bash |
| 15:16.26 | Dewi | stew: but it will miss every file with spaces in the filename |
| 15:16.29 | jean__ | I finally got my setup working. However, I see the screen is a bit blurry. Is this a monitor, video card or software issue. (I know it could be all that) I have viesonic monitors and 7300GS nvidia cards running Xinerama as well. |
| 15:16.29 | stew | yes |
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| 15:16.58 | mesof | why do .bash_profiles only work for linux terminal and not xterm when running x? |
| 15:17.00 | mesof | and, what is the solution |
| 15:17.00 | stew | Dewi: i agree. like i said, i'd agree to a characterization of "not guaranteed to work in all circumstances" but not to "unsafe" |
| 15:17.04 | antgel | jean__: swap bits to diagnose what's faulty |
| 15:17.04 | zea | antgel: yep, works as root. |
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| 15:17.20 | antgel | zea: your user in scanner group? |
| 15:17.27 | Dewi | stew: you realise the guy's original question what about what to do when "*" expands to something too long for bash to process, right? |
| 15:17.35 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 any luck with the telnet? |
| 15:17.49 | stew | Dewi: yes. which is why i suggested xargs |
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| 15:18.31 | Dewi | stew: right, but just piping * to xargs is identical to 'rm *' only with more bugs |
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| 15:18.41 | themill | stew: wouldn't echo choke if * is too long for the command line? |
| 15:19.00 | XtypeWriter74 | <Knight_Lord> ?nope |
| 15:19.06 | stew | Dewi: themill: no, becuase in bash,zsh,dash echo is a shell builtin not a command so it isn't governed by the command line lenght limit |
| 15:19.09 | jean__ | antgel: I cannot seem to be able to do that Xrandr issues (I guess with Xinerama) what was the command line for next resolution in xorg? xvid.. something |
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| 15:19.36 | zea | antgel: it is now. and everything works. thanks :) |
| 15:19.37 | antgel | jean__: i mean swap hardware parts, not bit-depth :D |
| 15:19.43 | Knight_Lord | mesof the solution is to use bashrc |
| 15:19.47 | antgel | zea: pleasure |
| 15:19.49 | Dewi | stew: I think I'll stick to: find -type f -print0 | xargs -0r rm |
| 15:19.51 | stew | Dewi: themill: try "echo /var/lib/dpkg/info/*" then try "/bin/echo /var/lib/dpkg/info/*" to see the difference |
| 15:19.53 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 telnet server ip didn't work? |
| 15:20.04 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 after commenting out the hosts.deny? |
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| 15:20.11 | stew | or just "type echo" |
| 15:20.21 | Dewi | stew: I didn't know echo had different rules to other commands. I suppose it makes sense, in a bash nastiness sort of way :) |
| 15:20.32 | themill | stew: nice... you learn something every day :) |
| 15:20.58 | jean__ | antgel: they are the same cards and same monitors. but will try and see maybe one is faulty |
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| 15:21.21 | XtypeWriter74 | <Knight_Lord> telnet -L 192.xxx.xxx.xxx ? |
| 15:21.41 | Knight_Lord | telnet 192.xxx.xxx.xxx 111 |
| 15:21.57 | XtypeWriter74 | :| :) |
| 15:21.58 | mesof | Knight_Lord: can i source bash_profile? |
| 15:21.59 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 by the way there is no need to hide your non routable IP |
| 15:22.11 | XtypeWriter74 | ok |
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| 15:22.23 | Knight_Lord | mesof you can also do that |
| 15:22.28 | slidesinger | mailto links were working, now they are not. I don't use them very often so I don't know when they quit working. I use iceweasel and icedove. |
| 15:22.33 | mesof | Knight_Lord: where can I source it |
| 15:22.39 | Knight_Lord | mesof you can just put source bash_profile inside of your bashrc |
| 15:22.42 | Crypticfortune_ | ok, so in the process of upgrading some systems from sarge to etch, i rebooted and sadly now get the message "Fatal: no entropy gathering module detected" when udev tries to load and more things obviously break after that...any ideas why udev can't find itself some entropy? |
| 15:22.53 | antgel | slidesinger: dpkg-reconfigure iceweasel (or icedove) |
| 15:22.54 | slidesinger | I already tried update-alternatives |
| 15:22.56 | mesof | Knight_Lord: where else can i source it from |
| 15:23.07 | Knight_Lord | mesof whats wrong with bashrc? |
| 15:23.25 | antgel | Crypticfortune_: can you get a shell? |
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| 15:23.39 | Crypticfortune_ | antgel: booting into single user mode, yes |
| 15:23.57 | antgel | Crypticfortune_: uname -r? cat /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 15:24.39 | decavolt | gnube: I checked syslog and ps, both are telling me that cron is trying to start my script. Not getting the usual cron mail though, so I'll fix that. |
| 15:25.20 | mesof | yes i'll use the source bashrc method |
| 15:25.25 | mesof | i've removed code is why i ask |
| 15:25.39 | mesof | but a one for everything appears to be a nice solution |
| 15:25.52 | bill_ | i have a really screwed up problem.... i have a usb enclosure with a sata hard drive inside... i've dd'd the data from the disk 3 times with 3 separate results... there are some USB "sense error"s in the dmesg, but dd doesn't report any errors... |
| 15:25.53 | mesof | Knight_Lord: is there a method of sourcing bash_profile? |
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| 15:26.20 | bill_ | i find this extremely disturbing that no error is being propagated down to the reading process.... |
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| 15:26.41 | Crypticfortune_ | antgel: uname -r = 2.6.18 sources.list is http://rafb.net/p/SPR0r321.html |
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| 15:27.27 | Knight_Lord | mesof i dont understand what you mean with sourcing bash_profile |
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| 15:28.00 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 any news? |
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| 15:28.30 | antgel | Crypticfortune_: you using ldap? in particular libnss-ldap.conf |
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| 15:28.39 | mesof | i guess i'm asking where bash_profile is called from |
| 15:28.43 | Crypticfortune_ | antgel: yup |
| 15:28.52 | XtypeWriter74 | <Knight_Lord> .( no |
| 15:28.58 | XtypeWriter74 | <Knight_Lord> it aint workin |
| 15:29.10 | Knight_Lord | mesof bash profile is called by bash when you login that'it |
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| 15:29.31 | mesof | Knight_Lord: so why does it not work for X? |
| 15:29.31 | Knight_Lord | mesof but not when you open a new terminal |
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| 15:29.41 | antgel | Crypticfortune_: /msg dpkg dbugs 375215 |
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| 15:29.42 | mesof | that's lame |
| 15:29.50 | Knight_Lord | mesof the one that is called whenever a new terminal is opened is called bashrc |
| 15:30.05 | Knight_Lord | mesof so i don't understand your problem |
| 15:30.42 | mesof | i guess i'll source it |
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| 15:31.05 | Knight_Lord | mesof just put |
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| 15:31.24 | Knight_Lord | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.28 | Knight_Lord | I dont see the problem |
| 15:31.48 | mesof | in my what? |
| 15:31.59 | Knight_Lord | in your ~/.bashrc |
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| 15:32.15 | Knight_Lord | put source ~/.bash_profile in your ~/.bashrc |
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| 15:32.24 | Knight_Lord | there was an unintended transposition there before |
| 15:33.29 | mesof | you can also put it in .xsession i think |
| 15:34.06 | Knight_Lord | but that only works in x |
| 15:34.14 | Knight_Lord | but yes |
| 15:34.32 | Knight_Lord | that is used when x stars not when a terminal in x starts |
| 15:34.39 | stew | .bash_profile should maybe source .bashrc, not the other way around |
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| 15:34.58 | XtypeWriter74 | <Knight_Lord> I´ve just read that my configuration is for version 2-3 and i have NFSv4 could that be a clue |
| 15:35.22 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 no, what is happening is that you are firewalling your server |
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| 15:35.37 | XtypeWriter74 | with my router? |
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| 15:36.18 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 your hosts.allow and hosts.deny on your server is screwing things |
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| 15:37.05 | themill | mesof: From dim dark distant memory, you need xterm to start as a login shell if you want it to source your .bash_profile automatically. You either need -ls passed to xterm or to bash. |
| 15:37.05 | XtypeWriter74 | i commented out the entry in hosts.deny |
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| 15:37.31 | Knight_Lord | Is something required to activate new tcpwrapper rules? |
| 15:37.38 | mesof | themill: how do i do that? |
| 15:37.42 | antgel | restart nfs? |
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| 15:37.48 | mesof | start xterm as xterm -ls? |
| 15:37.59 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 you can try restarting nfs |
| 15:38.16 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 as antgel suggested |
| 15:38.28 | themill | mesof: I think so. I don't use xterm any more. I'm remembering back 10 years to when I last used an xterm under solaris... *sigh* |
| 15:38.33 | mesof | dude that's so sweet |
| 15:38.44 | antgel | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.48 | XtypeWriter74 | i did on SERVER i reads alot of stuff now |
| 15:38.53 | mesof | themill: what do you chat with now |
| 15:38.55 | Dominik[HTN] | How can i tell grep when iam search for "debian" it should result "3.1debian" as match? |
| 15:39.08 | Dominik[HTN] | How can i tell grep when iam search for "debian" it should not result "3.1debian" as match? |
| 15:39.11 | leafwiz | okay, say I have two networks. A and B , I want to route packets from network B to A's gateway. |
| 15:39.18 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 oh and you'll also have to restart portmap |
| 15:39.19 | antgel | !tell Dominik[HTN] aboun repeat |
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| 15:39.22 | Crypticfortune_ | antgel: hmmm this is very strange because we use libnss-ldap on all of our systems, and this is the first time this has come up... |
| 15:39.29 | XtypeWriter74 | on both |
| 15:39.32 | leafwiz | would the r table look like this on the router between A and B ? http://pastebin.org/230 |
| 15:39.34 | themill | mesof: I'm running KDE so I use konsole for my shell stuff and konversation for irc. |
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| 15:39.47 | Dominik[HTN] | antgel: the negation was missing :) |
| 15:39.50 | Knight_Lord | Dominik[HTN] what do you want to search exactly? |
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| 15:40.04 | Crypticfortune_ | antgel: reading through that bug report it looks like weird stuff in rc*.d might be a problem. i'll try that fix and see what happens... |
| 15:40.13 | h3sp4wn | mesof: or you can just use - xterm*loginShell: 1 (in .Xresources |
| 15:40.18 | antgel | Crypticfortune_: there's always differences. :) did you check the bit about disabling ssl? maybe the upgrade didn't finish? |
| 15:40.28 | themill | Dominik[HTN]: word boundary: \b will probably do it. |
| 15:40.30 | Dominik[HTN] | Knight_Lord: "login:" and it shouldnt match "badlogin:" as result |
| 15:40.30 | antgel | !tell Dominik[HTN] about repeat |
| 15:40.37 | stew | leafwiz: at first glance, you have 3 different default gateways, when you should never have more than one per routing table |
| 15:40.44 | Knight_Lord | Dominik[HTN] if you just want negation the simplest is probably to pipe it through grep -v '"3.1debian' |
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| 15:40.59 | themill | h3sp4wn: knew there was a resource for it... never did like x resources though :) |
| 15:41.15 | Knight_Lord | Dominik[HTN] grep login file |grep -v badlogin |
| 15:41.19 | antgel | Crypticfortune_: maybe the bit about purging and reinstalling udev? libnss-ldap drove me mad for a few months before etch release |
| 15:41.20 | Dominik[HTN] | Knight_Lord: Negation doesnt work |
| 15:41.24 | XtypeWriter74 | <Knight_Lord> RPC :failed to contact portmap (errno -5 ) <--- (server ) |
| 15:41.33 | Crypticfortune_ | antgel: we already use tls instead of ssl, which is what i think that guy was talking about... i'll try disabling tls completely. |
| 15:41.36 | Knight_Lord | Dominik[HTN] why? |
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| 15:41.58 | antgel | Crypticfortune_: yeah, it shouldn't need /dev/random with no tls/ssl |
| 15:42.00 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 is this what happens when you restart portmap? |
| 15:42.00 | mesof | dude it looks so sweet |
| 15:42.08 | XtypeWriter74 | yes |
| 15:42.18 | Dominik[HTN] | Knight_Lord: thanks works :) |
| 15:42.21 | XtypeWriter74 | no |
| 15:42.27 | XtypeWriter74 | kernel-server restart |
| 15:42.37 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 restart portmap before restarting kernel-server |
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| 15:42.46 | antgel | XtypeWriter74: dpkg -l portmap? |
| 15:43.05 | mesof | h3sp4wn: i'll try that, brb |
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| 15:43.53 | XtypeWriter74 | what an i looking for |
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| 15:44.16 | mesof | back |
| 15:44.18 | Crypticfortune_ | antgel: yeah same here. had to boot from a cd a couple of times =p |
| 15:44.38 | mesof | h3sp4wn: it does not work |
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| 15:44.41 | mesof | in .Xresources |
| 15:44.47 | mesof | it only works as xterm -ls |
| 15:44.54 | mesof | i've also tried it as true |
| 15:45.01 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 just restart portmap |
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| 15:45.17 | XtypeWriter74 | ok |
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| 15:45.23 | ccfreak2k|laptop | Oh, I'm still here. |
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| 15:45.30 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 then restart nfs-kernel-server |
| 15:45.32 | h3sp4wn | mesof: does it appear in xrdb ? |
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| 15:45.59 | h3sp4wn | mesof: xrdb -query |
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| 15:46.01 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 and now your nfs server should be working, but not from the client untill you comment out the hosts.deny on the client also |
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| 15:46.49 | mesof | h3sp4wn: yes |
| 15:48.12 | subx | is there a such thing as a linux mp3 mixer, like NI Traktor ? |
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| 15:49.02 | XtypeWriter74 | <Knight_Lord> i already did : i get this reading on both machines :: sudo mount -a |
| 15:49.03 | XtypeWriter74 | mount: 192.168.0.123:/media/SHARE211 failed, reason given by server: Permission denied |
| 15:49.12 | Ravn | anyone can help me getting a Logitech Wingman to work? I have read stuff about needing to complie the kernel with some driver, but all pages seems rather old. Primary I want to get it working with snes9x |
| 15:49.13 | XtypeWriter74 | on the other the other way around |
| 15:49.24 | XtypeWriter74 | sudo mount -a |
| 15:49.28 | stew | subx: i reverse engineered the dac-2, i need to get around to releasing the library |
| 15:49.40 | stew | subx: (and then try to add support to mixxx or something for it) |
| 15:49.48 | subx | aye cool :) |
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| 15:50.06 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 that's great |
| 15:50.13 | stew | it just got pushed down in the stack of things i'm working on |
| 15:50.28 | XtypeWriter74 | <Knight_Lord> it is? |
| 15:50.47 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 at least now you just have a permission problem |
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| 15:50.59 | XtypeWriter74 | <Knight_Lord> cool :D |
| 15:51.00 | azeem | XtypeWriter74: please address people with "nick: " rather than "<nick>", the latter is customary for quoting |
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| 15:51.25 | Kervan | I worked to install some software but I couldn't beacause of some depencies. Now I see a error while installing any softwar with "apt-get" ask me "do you accept solution [Y/N/i/?]" how can i clean this? |
| 15:51.43 | Crypticfortune_ | antgel: ok, so it works as long as ssl/tls is disabled, but i don't like that as a long term solution....i wonder if there's any way around this... |
| 15:51.45 | XtypeWriter74 | <azeem> havent ever used the option |
| 15:52.14 | antgel | Crypticfortune_: did you see the stuff about purging and reinstalling udev? |
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| 15:52.48 | pickcoder | abrotman: ping |
| 15:52.55 | stew | XtypeWriter74: for instance, type Kn<tab> and it should auto-complete something like Knight_Lord: for you. |
| 15:53.03 | Sivik | what are the backports repos entry for sarge |
| 15:53.03 | XtypeWriter74 | "azeem:" ? |
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| 15:53.09 | subx | this looks interesting: http://dbmix.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:53.17 | themill | Kervan: I take it you're either running sid or you've been trying out som non-debian dependencies... |
| 15:53.22 | Knight_Lord | XtypeWriter74 now its just a question of fixing your exports file. I have to go now but someone else should be able to help you. Good luck |
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| 15:53.50 | XtypeWriter74 | Knight_Lord, thank alot!!! |
| 15:53.55 | XtypeWriter74 | ^'s |
| 15:54.00 | Kervan | themill:restart needed? |
| 15:54.03 | stew | subx: look at gdam, which is, unfortunately, looking abandoned |
| 15:54.15 | themill | Sivik: this should work: deb http://www.backports.org/debian sarge-backports main contrib non-free |
| 15:54.17 | XtypeWriter74 | stew, thanks for the help too :D |
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| 15:54.45 | themill | Kervan: tell us what you've been up to... a restart will not help you with package dependencies. |
| 15:54.45 | mesof | it works wonderfully |
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| 15:55.15 | subx | shame that looks good |
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| 15:55.36 | Kervan | themill: I have worked to install beryl last. And I could't " apt-get install beryl-manager emerald-themes " |
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| 15:56.26 | themill | Kervan: what do you have in your sources.list? please pastebin it. |
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| 15:56.43 | Sivik | what repo can i find libapache2-mod-php5 in, apparently its not in the backports for sarge |
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| 15:56.53 | FromTO__ | I get this problem mounting an external harddrive: I am pretty sure it was an ext2 partition but it is not been recognized. the vfat partition mounts without the need of -t option. However, mounting the ext2 partition I get a message mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
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| 15:57.37 | Kervan | themill: http://pastebin.com/m3b2e747e |
| 15:58.02 | stew | Sivik: it is in backports for sarge |
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| 15:58.13 | stew | Sivik: i'm looking at the packages file right now, and I see it there |
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| 15:59.23 | Crypticfortune_ | antgel: yup. sadly that didn't fix it... |
| 15:59.24 | leafwiz | Hi, anyone experienced with routing? |
| 15:59.27 | themill | Kervan: I suggest you comment out all the lines that are not official debian mirrors and that you uncomment the lines for security.debian.org as they are quite important. |
| 15:59.34 | themill | !tell leafwiz about anyone |
| 15:59.35 | stew | leafwiz: lots of people, if you have a real question, just ask it |
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| 16:00.19 | themill | Kervan: then run aptitude update. And you are advised to use aptitude not apt-get now too. |
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| 16:00.43 | nareshov | how many CDs should I download to get a base up and running from here? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 16:00.57 | themill | !tell nareshov about netinstall |
| 16:01.01 | stew | nareshov: for base you only need 1 |
| 16:01.14 | leafwiz | Okay, I want to route packets from network B to network A's gateway. So that I can have WAN access from network B |
| 16:01.31 | leafwiz | I have this routing-table http://pastebin.org/230 , but there is something wrong with it.. |
| 16:01.33 | naiv | Q: i'd want to mount /dev/hdb1 to /home/naiv/xxx at boot, with owner naiv:naiv. so i choose these options "owner,uid=1000,gid=1000,auto" but i have an error 'EXT3-fs: Unrecognized mount option "uid=1000" or missing value'. all the tutos i read doesn't say how to give the RW to a USER. any tuto or clue ? |
| 16:01.35 | nareshov | does the netinst support authenticating proxy? |
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| 16:01.46 | Kervan | themill: Thanks a lot |
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| 16:04.39 | themill | nareshov: I've never used one, but I seem to remember it asking me if I needed to give a username and passwd for a proxy... :) check the installer docs |
| 16:04.56 | nareshov | ah |
| 16:05.04 | themill | nareshov: it's the same installer, just a different way of getting the packages (network vs cd vs dvd) |
| 16:05.04 | nareshov | thanks a lot, themill |
| 16:05.04 | stew | leafwiz: you should not have more than one default gateway |
| 16:05.17 | themill | !happy customer |
| 16:05.18 | dpkg | (Another happy customer leaves the building. Should be a law against them...) |
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| 16:05.28 | stew | leafwiz: you should only have one interface with a "gateway" entry in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:05.30 | themill | :) |
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| 16:06.02 | assasukasse | hi all |
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| 16:06.05 | leafwiz | stew: aha.. thx |
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| 16:06.29 | RockerMONO | hey.... for the netinstall floppies, i put in the boot.img one first, right? just making sure before i start this :) |
| 16:06.36 | stew | leafwiz: make sure you have setup ip forwarding in /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 16:07.09 | leafwiz | stew: I have multible if with gw in interfaces |
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| 16:07.13 | leafwiz | so ,that's probably it |
| 16:07.20 | _frojnd | when I install debian on what do i have to be focused when is partitioning part... I need /, swap, and STARTUP FLAG ? (can I use partition that is allready meant for root to be also startup flag ?) |
| 16:07.40 | stew | leafwiz: you should only have that set for your internet connection. if you have more than one internet connection you have to setup multiple routing tables |
| 16:07.52 | frojnd | anyone ? |
| 16:08.16 | frojnd | where should I put startup flag ?? |
| 16:08.19 | RockerMONO | for the net install do i put in the boot.img one first? i'd assume so but just makin sure |
| 16:08.34 | themill | frojnd: a small /boot is quite common and it should be made the bootable partition. |
| 16:08.35 | antgel | !tell frojnd about patience |
| 16:08.49 | leafwiz | Okay I see.. I only have one wan link, but two networks |
| 16:08.56 | assasukasse | i have a small problem, i have a laptop with debian etch installed, 256mb ram, and if i leave it w/o any application running, it still reads from disk every 5 seconds...how can i fix it? |
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| 16:09.34 | themill | assasukasse: you might want to investigate laptop mode |
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| 16:09.59 | stew | frojnd: you don't need a startup/bootable flag with grub/lilo |
| 16:10.02 | frojnd | themill: so I need for example: 15gb for /, 1024MB for swap, and 225MB for /boot ? and I set startup flag on the /boot ?? |
| 16:10.04 | cokeslut | hello |
| 16:10.08 | frojnd | stew ? |
| 16:10.08 | MERLiiN | sup |
| 16:10.15 | frojnd | just /, swap ? |
| 16:10.20 | stew | frojnd: which bootloader are you using? grub? lilo? |
| 16:10.21 | assasukasse | themill: actually i don't want to mess with laptop mode, since i use the laptop as a desktop, even removed the battery,.. but its annoying at night this ttr ttr every 5 secs.. |
| 16:10.47 | RockerMONO | assasukasse: get a soundproof box to store it in at night? :) |
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| 16:10.59 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
| 16:11.06 | frojnd | stew: I am doing it by hand, but there was LVM in the option to set partitions... I am installing via net install... |
| 16:11.07 | assasukasse | RockerMONO: lol :D |
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| 16:11.09 | themill | assasukasse: laptop mode is a set of kernel tweaks that allows you to defer the 5s commits to disk until they are important. |
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| 16:11.34 | stew | frojnd: are you going to let the installer install a bootloader such as grub or lilo? |
| 16:11.38 | RockerMONO | so what netinstall floppy do i put in first???????? :( |
| 16:11.40 | cokeslut | ? |
| 16:11.42 | frojnd | stew: I have also made 2 partitions so far.. (one for root / and one for swap) |
| 16:11.44 | MERLiiN | you tell me ;) |
| 16:11.48 | frojnd | stew: no |
| 16:11.54 | frojnd | I am doing it by myself |
| 16:11.55 | stew | frojnd: which bootloader are you going to use? |
| 16:12.16 | stew | frojnd: are you going to dual boot with windows? |
| 16:12.24 | frojnd | stew: Oh NO!! |
| 16:12.29 | frojnd | no! |
| 16:12.41 | frojnd | just linux, stew |
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| 16:13.10 | stew | frojnd: in that case you are going to probably be using grub, or maybee lilo, which means that the startup flag is not needed anywhere, it would be ignored anyway |
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| 16:14.05 | frojnd | stew: Ok. So for newbies I can just create one partition that is a little bigger for root (/) and one for swap. So home, etc, tmp will automatically be in the partition next to root ? |
| 16:14.39 | stew | frojnd: sure |
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| 16:14.54 | leafwiz | stew: What do you think about this routing table ? http://pastebin.org/230 |
| 16:15.06 | assasukasse | themill: thanks about that, i will give a look into that, i hope it works even if i have no batt |
| 16:15.38 | stew | leafwiz: as I already said. you should not have more than one default gateway per routing table |
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| 16:15.58 | pickcoder | leafwiz: google for "multiple gateways" |
| 16:16.06 | h3sp4wn | leafwiz: there is a kernel patch for multiple default gateways floating about but it seems like a hack |
| 16:16.11 | pickcoder | you may end up having to use fwmark to mark packets for a specific network and gateway |
| 16:16.30 | stew | he doesn't want multiple gateways |
| 16:16.41 | stew | (afaict) |
| 16:17.00 | pickcoder | iproute2 has some nice table features that let you assign the tabe by source or destination address and then choose a gateway |
| 16:17.31 | stew | yes. but he's not trying to do split-access, he's just trying to setup a router. |
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| 16:17.51 | pickcoder | then NAT is the only way |
| 16:17.58 | stew | leafwiz: is one of those 3 connections your internet connection and the other two private LANs? |
| 16:18.47 | stew | and NAT isn't the only way, routing without nat is another way (depending on his topology, of course) |
| 16:19.07 | pickcoder | erm.. ok |
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| 16:19.15 | stew | it could be very likely that he just wants to route 10.0.10.0/24 over the 10.0.0.0/16 network, for instance |
| 16:19.28 | pickcoder | true |
| 16:19.37 | pickcoder | that's not what the route table looked like |
| 16:19.38 | pickcoder | <g> |
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| 16:19.58 | ^NaTacHa^ | well check ur host mask |
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| 16:20.26 | pickcoder | leafwiz: 0.0.0.0 means any packet on the local machine can go out the interface specified, via the specified gateway |
| 16:20.39 | pickcoder | having 3 is really confusing to route |
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| 16:22.16 | frojnd | stew |
| 16:22.18 | frojnd | sorry |
| 16:22.20 | frojnd | electricity problems.. |
| 16:22.28 | frojnd | stew: is 2 partitions than good ? one for root and one for swap ? |
| 16:23.00 | themill | fro |
| 16:23.35 | themill | frojnd: its OK. and it's good if you have small disks. But are you likely to want to try lots of different linux distros or will you just stick with debian? |
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| 16:23.59 | stew | frojnd: sure |
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| 16:24.21 | leafwiz | stew: well I have a router 10.0.0.1, and I have the debian server. with 10.0.0.2 as eth0 ,and 10.0.10.1 as rausb0 |
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| 16:25.08 | stew | leafwiz: what is the netmask on the 10.0.0.1 router? is it 255.255.255.0 or 255.255.0.0? |
| 16:25.10 | slidesinger | !framebuffer |
| 16:25.11 | dpkg | framebuffer is probably a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. if you're looking for the framebuffer console, see fbcon. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. <blacklist> to negate it. |
| 16:25.25 | leafwiz | its /24 , 255.255.255.0 |
| 16:25.25 | antgel | !tell slidesinger about msg the bot |
| 16:25.26 | harpal | in that dpkg packages we have some startup script but in that source file we done have that then I have to create that startupscript? |
| 16:25.45 | themill | frojnd: if you are likely to want to do reinstalls often or try different distros then separating /home from the rest of it makes life a lot easier as you can keep your data on a separate partition from the rest of the system. |
| 16:26.05 | phix | Johann |
| 16:26.06 | phix | Gambleputtydevonausfernschpledenschlittcrasscrenbonfriedigger- |
| 16:26.06 | antgel | like he's gonna want to try another distro ;) |
| 16:26.06 | phix | dingledangledonglebursteinvonknackerthrasherapplebangerhorowitz- |
| 16:26.06 | phix | ticolensicgranderknottyspelltinklegrandlichgrumblemeyerspelter- |
| 16:26.06 | phix | wasserkurstlichhimbleeisenbahnwagengutenabendbitteeinnurnburger- |
| 16:26.08 | phix | bratwurstlegerspurtenmitzweimacheluberhundsfutgumberaberschonend- |
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| 16:26.10 | slidesinger | antgel: Thank you. |
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| 16:28.22 | Vlet | Anyone know of a text mode browser that supports personal certificates? |
| 16:28.38 | stew | leafwiz: so then you'll want to get rid of the 192.168.2.1 and and 10.0.10.1 gateways from the routing table. you'll need to add a route on the 10.0.0.1 router to 10.0.10.0/24 via 10.0.0.2 |
| 16:28.56 | leafwiz | stew: aha.. |
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| 16:29.00 | pocukrani | run somebody psybnc on debian etch? becouse i have problem; my psybnc don`t wanna reconnect when my ISp disconnected me for some time |
| 16:29.02 | slidesinger | antgel: By the way, mailto was not configured in iceweasel. Had to add the string in about:config. |
| 16:29.12 | stew | leafwiz: unless you want to masquerade packets from 10.0.10.0/24 to be from 10.0.0.2 when they traverse the 10.0.0.0/24 network |
| 16:29.17 | stew | leafwiz: (does that make sense?) |
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| 16:30.36 | leafwiz | stew: yeah, you are speaking of nat ? I don't want that.. Just plain old routing :) |
| 16:30.45 | antgel | slidesinger: you know what, i had it the other way. you can dpkg-reconfigure icedove to choose your browser. perhaps worth a feature request ;) |
| 16:31.16 | slidesinger | Not a bad idea. |
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| 16:34.37 | _DunK_ | hi |
| 16:35.28 | bannerman | Hey, is it good, or even possible, to create a single md raid and put multiple partitions in it? am I better off creating multiple md devices and keeping 1 partition per device? |
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| 16:38.06 | _DunK_ | could someone please tell me what I did wrong here: I am trying to set up a tunnel through an intermediate machine using ssh, but passing the second ssh command to the first. I have tried the parts seperately and they work. The problem seems to be something with the authentication when they are used together. The command is: ssh -t -L5901:localhost:5901 user@host "ssh -L5901:localhost:5901 user@host2" |
| 16:38.12 | frankr | how can I echo the full path of a file easily on cmd lin |
| 16:38.15 | frankr | e |
| 16:38.17 | antgel | bannerman: from a filesystem POV, a raid device /is/ a partition |
| 16:38.24 | harpal | how can I add startup script while making the .deb file |
| 16:38.49 | antgel | frankr: ls -l |
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| 16:39.01 | frankr | ls -l doesn't show full path :p |
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| 16:39.05 | antgel | harpal: that's not a good question. more detail |
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| 16:39.10 | antgel | !nuke me |
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| 16:39.32 | harpal | I dont have any startup script in source and I have made startup script I have to include that startupscript in my .deb file |
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| 16:39.53 | antgel | !tell harpal about nmg |
| 16:39.58 | stew | harpal: man dh_installinit |
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| 16:40.07 | antgel | !tell harpal about init.d |
| 16:40.21 | leafwiz | stew: Thx stew.. It workes now :) |
| 16:40.35 | stew | leafwiz: you're welcome |
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| 16:40.51 | Dominik[HTN] | !tell antgel about telling stupid stuff |
| 16:40.59 | _DunK_ | anyone know what might be wrong with that tunnel? |
| 16:41.03 | harpal | antgel: ok thanx |
| 16:41.05 | antgel | Dominik[HTN]: you got a problem? |
| 16:42.09 | antgel | harpal: and see what stew said |
| 16:42.09 | antgel | but that should be run when you make the package |
| 16:43.24 | harpal | I have ran only dh_make to make that .deb file so before that I have to run that dh_installinit? |
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| 16:43.57 | stew | harpal: dh_installinit would be called from debian/rules in the install: target |
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| 16:44.58 | stew | harpal: you can call it with no arguments if your init script is debian/init.d or debian/$packagename.init.d ; or you can pass it the name of the init script to install |
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| 16:46.43 | Crypticfortune_ | antgel: i'm seriously confused about how all our other systems are working, but i've made a cludgy workaround for my current problem (added mknod urandom stuff to /etc/init.d/udev) |
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| 16:47.38 | harpal | stew: I am trying that what u have said |
| 16:48.10 | stew | harpal: my recommendation would be to name your init script debian/init.d and uncomment the dh_installinit line that should already be present in debian/rules |
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| 16:49.39 | mmmmmm | what's the real difference/benefit between init.d and rc.d |
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| 16:50.22 | stew | mmmmmm: what do you mean by rc.d? |
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| 16:50.44 | Sawn | Hey :) |
| 16:50.58 | mmmmmm | the booting thing |
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| 16:51.04 | bill_ | usually rcN.d contains symlinks to init.d for each runlevel, init.d is where all initscripts go... |
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| 16:51.26 | mmmmmm | wats the benefit of it, is level 4 being used? |
| 16:51.39 | SiriusFR | Hi Sawn. |
| 16:51.47 | rahul | mmmmmm: it's being used if you use it |
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| 16:51.56 | bill_ | it gives you flexibility to define your own runlevels for your own environment |
| 16:52.06 | rahul | dpkg: runlevels |
| 16:52.06 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf', 'sysv-rc-conf' or 'file-rc' instead - see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 : or ask me about <startup> |
| 16:52.11 | mmmmmm | level 4 for users? |
| 16:52.17 | rahul | users? |
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| 16:52.31 | stew | mmmmmm: all of 2-5 are for the administrator to do with whatever he likes |
| 16:52.36 | rahul | mmmmmm: I think you're very confused |
| 16:52.37 | stew | mmmmmm: 2 is the default |
| 16:52.38 | SawnFR | SiriusFR : Great idea |
| 16:52.41 | SawnFR | ^^ |
| 16:52.45 | rahul | at least, you're confusing me :P |
| 16:52.53 | h3sp4wn | mmmmmm: You mean the different between a bsd style init and sysv ? |
| 16:52.54 | SiriusFR | SawnFR: Great idea about ? |
| 16:52.56 | rahul | mmmmmm: system admin is done by the admin, not the users |
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| 16:53.07 | SawnFR | SiriusFR : "FR" |
| 16:53.14 | mmmmmm | what's the different between a bsd style init and sysv ? |
| 16:53.19 | mmmmmm | h3sp4wn, thanks |
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| 16:53.21 | SiriusFR | SawnFR: Ah ^^ |
| 16:53.30 | rahul | heh |
| 16:53.44 | SawnFR | SiriusFR : Maybe it was because "Sirius" was already owned by someone else |
| 16:53.44 | rahul | mmmmmm: bsd init is just a script, basically |
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| 16:53.59 | rahul | mmmmmm: sysvinit is a directory with symlinks to scripts to be called... a bit more modular |
| 16:54.01 | SawnFR | (Sirius is always owned in the same time :]) |
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| 16:54.15 | SiriusFR | SawnFR: Yes, almost of my nicknames was already taked off by other users. |
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| 16:54.33 | harpal | stew: I have one script in debian/init.d.ex should it be an install script? |
| 16:54.41 | mystic_pinguin | i cant recomend linuxto my friends :X |
| 16:54.56 | SORMANOV | i've replaced my /var/lib/dpkg folder by another folder from another server by error, now i've lost the dpkg informations of my system and have no more correct dpkg -l listing ... is it possible to regenerate this folder content from the system itself ? |
| 16:54.58 | harpal | that init.d.ex contains my startupscript |
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| 16:55.18 | antgel | harpal: ex = example |
| 16:55.19 | stew | harpal: debian/init.d.ex is an example init script given to you by dh_make. if you wanted to use it you would have to rename it to init.d and alter it to match your needs. if you already have one, just delete that one and name yours init.d |
| 16:55.38 | SiriusFR | SawnFR: And with this suffix, some of english users are more comprehensive about my poor english. ^^ |
| 16:55.45 | stew | SORMANOV: there are backups of /var/lib/dpkg/status in /var/backups |
| 16:55.51 | mystic_pinguin | just like this |
| 16:55.57 | harpal | ok |
| 16:56.07 | mystic_pinguin | to stupid losing so much time try to make simple things |
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| 16:56.39 | SawnFR | SiriusFR : If only it was just the english... ^^' |
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| 16:56.43 | mystic_pinguin | like install one graphic driver |
| 16:56.44 | mystic_pinguin | :x |
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| 16:57.06 | yetistomps | i am having some problems accessing my shared drives from winxp via samba. I did a smbpasswd -a yeti somepass. But I still cannot connect to my box from winxp. Any ideas? |
| 16:57.13 | harpal | one more question if I want to add some specific options like we are giving in ./configure then how ca I give that here |
| 16:57.31 | SORMANOV | steve, it's a fresh installed box, there's no backups in /var/backups |
| 16:57.37 | h3sp4wn | mmmmmm: Look for a slackware or archlinux FAQ that will almost certainly explain it better |
| 16:57.42 | SiriusFR | Sawn: I try to do my best, we learn with our mistakes, none with our success. :2 |
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| 16:58.05 | SawnFR | SiriusFR : I hope you'll learn a lot :] |
| 16:58.06 | SiriusFR | SawnFR: * |
| 16:58.31 | SiriusFR | SawnFR: Any I will can. :3 |
| 16:58.33 | stew | SORMANOV: /msg dpkg very fubar status file ; but note that this is really not recommended |
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| 17:02.07 | bannerman | Is md perhaps the unprofessional way to do raid with Linux? The advice I've received over on #ubuntu has been terrible, mostly just incorrect and very few people respond to my questions. Is it just because I am a newbie? |
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| 17:02.17 | DarkRamon | Hello people |
| 17:02.44 | DarkRamon | Im having an issue with one of the partitions...I know how to fix it but it is impossible to get into windows.... is there a way to edit the windows registry from linux? |
| 17:03.10 | SawnFR | Maybe by using wine on the regedit.exe |
| 17:03.17 | SawnFR | But I'm not sure |
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| 17:03.53 | DarkRamon | i tried it |
| 17:04.02 | DarkRamon | but it gives me a signal error |
| 17:04.24 | Linux\2 | DarkRamon: dude. boot the rescue mode of windows if you have to do stuff inside windows. |
| 17:04.41 | mick_home | has anyone ever taken on a job where they couldn't work on F/OSS anymore? (i'm talking about on their free time) |
| 17:04.48 | Linux\2 | dont manually edit the windows registry |
| 17:04.54 | SiriusFR | It's normal, like its name means, regedit is only used in order to access an internal windows database... |
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| 17:05.36 | DarkRamon | Linux2: the thing is that im getting xmnt2002.exe error at the beginning so its not possilble to start windows in safemode or anything |
| 17:05.42 | DarkRamon | in recoverymode i tried everything and not working |
| 17:05.43 | mick_home | i'm looking at a contract right now that says pretty much whatever i do or think -- it is owned by $company --- effectively telling me what i can/can't do on my free time |
| 17:05.50 | stew | bannerman: unless you have an actual hardware raid controller (not a fakeraid one that pretends to be hardware raid), md is the recommended way to go, and is not necessarily unprofessional |
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| 17:06.02 | DarkRamon | i was looking and the only way to fix the issue was to tweak the registry so thats what i need ... just to delete an entry |
| 17:06.18 | Linux\2 | DarkRamon: then re-install your win-shit and take care you backup the system.dat and user.dat next time you mess with things |
| 17:06.18 | mick_home | i'm debating if it would be worth it or not |
| 17:06.35 | Linux\2 | this is the open source society here |
| 17:06.38 | DarkRamon | it was because partition magick |
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| 17:06.44 | Linux\2 | try ##windows |
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| 17:06.53 | stew | mick_home: did you talk to them about why you might not want to get into such a contract? |
| 17:06.53 | antgel | mick_home: that's legal? |
| 17:06.55 | DarkRamon | and you are not answering my question |
| 17:07.02 | DarkRamon | IS IT POSSIBLE TO ACCESS THE REGISTRY FROM LINUX? |
| 17:07.12 | Linux\2 | DarkRamon: because you answer the wrong questions for this channel. now stop crying. |
| 17:07.13 | stew | DarkRamon: don't use caps. |
| 17:07.14 | SawnFR | I don't think so |
| 17:07.21 | ^NaTacHa^ | the registry lol |
| 17:07.22 | Linux\2 | s/answer/ask/ |
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| 17:07.32 | DarkRamon | linux2: it is linux related.... |
| 17:07.37 | antgel | ^NaTacHa^: have you seen gconf? ;) |
| 17:07.41 | Linux\2 | next time ask for ntfs write support, doofus |
| 17:07.44 | DarkRamon | is it a way to access the registry from the other partition i have from linux? |
| 17:07.57 | mick_home | antgel: i know -- that is what i was thinking |
| 17:07.59 | Linux\2 | helpless people are a royal pain |
| 17:07.59 | ^NaTacHa^ | antgel: actualy no ;) |
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| 17:08.22 | antgel | mick_home: ask a solicitor |
| 17:08.26 | ^NaTacHa^ | i found my gspot once, but thats another story |
| 17:08.27 | mick_home | stew: i talked with a good friend of mine and he said that if i dispute this one paragraph - they might just retract the offer |
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| 17:08.42 | harpal | stew: I get this while making .deb file dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: unable to find dependency information for shared library libpcre |
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| 17:09.01 | mick_home | the wording is very far reaching from what it seems |
| 17:09.05 | antgel | ^NaTacHa^: me neither. er, gconf that is. as for the gspot... |
| 17:09.09 | Linux\2 | one last note. i take bets this was some Ubuntu lamer coming to #debian to ask how to fix his windows shit |
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| 17:09.26 | stew | Linux\2: you've been silenced for 10 minutes. name-calling isn't going to be tollerated in here |
| 17:09.27 | ^NaTacHa^ | lol |
| 17:09.49 | DarkRamon | nah im using debian :S |
| 17:09.57 | DarkRamon | and i used it for more than 5 years :S |
| 17:10.01 | DarkRamon | first time this shit happens |
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| 17:10.12 | stew | DarkRamon: debian doesn't provide a winodws registry editor. if you wanted to get at the actual registry file and knew where it was located and exactly how to edit it by hand we could possibly help you with that |
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| 17:10.50 | jzxu | after I edit my hosts.allow and hosts.deny files, what do I have to do to make the system enforce the changes? |
| 17:10.51 | stew | harpal: that I don't know about. I'd suggest asking in #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 17:10.54 | ^NaTacHa^ | installing and having it running for 5 years doesn't tell shite :) |
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| 17:10.59 | DarkRamon | yeah thats what i need stew |
| 17:11.03 | DarkRamon | thats exactly what I need |
| 17:11.04 | DarkRamon | :) |
| 17:11.15 | stew | DarkRamon: you mean you need to know how to edit a file on your windows partition? |
| 17:11.16 | yetistomps | i am having some problems accessing my shared drives from winxp via samba. I did a smbpasswd -a yeti somepass. But I still cannot connect to my box from winxp. Any ideas? |
| 17:11.22 | harpal | stew: ok thatnks a lot |
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| 17:11.42 | vyrus | anybody here use the ar5006x mini pci cards? for some reason im getting REALY low link qual? |
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| 17:11.57 | DarkRamon | stew: yeah what i need to do is to delete an entry on the windows registry from another partition where i have windows |
| 17:12.10 | AKX | Hey, how could I just forcibly drop a mass of running TCP connections? |
| 17:12.29 | AKX | kernlog says "nf_conntrack: table full, dropping packet.", so there's too many connections, and I need some brute way to drop em |
| 17:12.43 | stew | DarkRamon: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:12.52 | mick_home | i'm wondering how much it would cost for a lawyer to look at this and tell me if it is too far reaching (and if it is even legal). they also mention that they can appoint a lawyer and take legal actions on behalf of me |
| 17:12.57 | DarkRamon | let me check |
| 17:13.14 | mick_home | i'm thinking "oh hell no" |
| 17:13.18 | DarkRamon | 2.6.18-4-486 net install |
| 17:13.25 | antgel | mick_home: don't know any lawyers via friends and family? or legal aid etc? |
| 17:14.05 | stew | DarkRamon: the only recommended way to write to ntfs is ntfs-3g. ntfs-3g didn't make the current stable release, you'd have to use a backport: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 17:14.14 | mick_home | i think i'll have a look and see :-/ it is a cool company -- but the contract just doesn't sound right |
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| 17:14.49 | DarkRamon | so it is not possible right now stew? |
| 17:14.49 | bannerman | Stew: Thank you, I think that sort of answers my question. |
| 17:14.59 | antgel | mick_home: how cool can it be if it wants to infringe you like that? |
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| 17:15.04 | mick_home | good point |
| 17:15.06 | hansdiewanz | www.pennergame.de/ref.php?uid=2704 |
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| 17:16.14 | stew | DarkRamon: exactly what? |
| 17:16.29 | stew | DarkRamon: if you want to write to an ntfs file, use ntfs-3g, if you want to do that from stable, use a backport, you can find a backport for it from backports.org: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 17:16.40 | DarkRamon | delete the bootexecute |
| 17:16.53 | stew | DarkRamon: i don't know what bootexecute is |
| 17:17.05 | DarkRamon | hkeylocalmachine-system-controlset001-control-session-bootexecute |
| 17:17.08 | ^NaTacHa^ | mount the nfs or fat part, and edit the registry with vi or sumthing ... |
| 17:17.11 | DarkRamon | thats what i need to delete from the windows registry |
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| 17:17.39 | DarkRamon | but where is it? |
| 17:17.46 | junix|work | where can i find the post-install script for a debian package? |
| 17:17.56 | ^NaTacHa^ | google ? |
| 17:17.57 | DarkRamon | ive been lookin' in /windows/system windows/system32 and nopes |
| 17:18.03 | stew | DarkRamon: i don't know. i was saying this was all predicated on you knowing where the registry was and exactly how to edit it without a registry editor tool |
| 17:18.08 | DarkRamon | Natacha: i've been googling like a maniac |
| 17:18.09 | stew | DarkRamon: that is a question for ##windows |
| 17:18.15 | ^NaTacHa^ | indeed |
| 17:18.44 | antgel | junix|work: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 17:18.53 | junix|work | antgel: thanks |
| 17:19.26 | DarkRamon | i mean.. i know where regedit.exe is but dont know where it saves the registry |
| 17:19.47 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 17:19.48 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!*@66.252.28.43] by stew |
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| 17:19.53 | junix|work | antgel: if i need to run the script manually, how would i go about doing this? |
| 17:20.15 | stew | DarkRamon: that is not something we can help you with |
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| 17:20.37 | ^NaTacHa^ | %SystemRoot%\System32\Config\ |
| 17:20.41 | ^NaTacHa^ | took me 1 sec |
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| 17:20.43 | DarkRamon | thanks let me check that |
| 17:20.45 | ^NaTacHa^ | now shu |
| 17:20.55 | antgel | junix|work: dpkg -i does it for you. having said that, it is a standard shell script as i remember. it may rely on a certain environment for execution |
| 17:21.32 | junix|work | antgel: it didn't setup my mysql databases or postgresql users... |
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| 17:21.47 | antgel | junix|work: what package and did you check the bts? |
| 17:22.07 | junix|work | antgel: i didn't check the bts, and its otrs2 from etch |
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| 17:22.17 | DarkRamon | natacha: there's nothing like a registry file to edit there |
| 17:22.22 | stew | junix|work: "dpkg-reconfigure packagename" runs the postinst script |
| 17:22.33 | stew | DarkRamon: ^NaTacHa^: take it elsewhere, perhaps to #windows |
| 17:22.38 | stew | or ##windows, whatever |
| 17:22.43 | DarkRamon | yeah ill try |
| 17:22.45 | DarkRamon | thanks anyways :) |
| 17:23.10 | jelly | Hi, is there a way to make my local menu (entries defined in ~/.menu/) not alphabetized, but retain the original order? |
| 17:23.16 | ^NaTacHa^ | that was my 2 cents, i'll leave it up darkramon now to find his way |
| 17:23.24 | junix|work | stew: i've done this countless times, nothing happens... |
| 17:23.43 | stew | junix|work: what package are you talking about, and what are you expecting to happen? |
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| 17:24.19 | junix|work | stew: i am talking about otrs2, and it is supposed to install the mysql/postgresql databases and tables... |
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| 17:24.59 | antgel | junix|work: if it's a shell script, change /bin/sh to /bin/sh -x to see what it's trying to do |
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| 17:25.27 | junix|work | antgel: i am running bash tho |
| 17:25.33 | stew | junix|work: did you check /usr/share/doc/otrs2/README.Debian ? also look for database setup scripts to be located in /usr/share/doc/otrs2/examples |
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| 17:26.48 | antgel | junix|work: i meant at the top of the script, but stew's advice is more sensible |
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| 17:27.22 | XtypeWriter74 | i did it!!!! |
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| 17:28.02 | stew | oh, its using dbconfig-common |
| 17:28.08 | utopia_ | hey can anybody help me out..i have a USB webcam, its detected during boot..but dmesg only shows new full speed device using.. |
| 17:28.18 | utopia_ | and some other stuff about ubsfs |
| 17:28.24 | utopia_ | usb* |
| 17:28.27 | junix|work | stew: ?? |
| 17:28.31 | utopia_ | and the light on the camera is on |
| 17:28.39 | antgel | utopia_: do you know if it's supported? |
| 17:28.40 | utopia_ | so do i just have to create /dev/video0 ? |
| 17:28.53 | utopia_ | antgel, i think so..its a creative PD1001 |
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| 17:29.28 | utopia_ | antgel, the docs i have read have been confusing |
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| 17:30.12 | stew | junix|work: and when you run "dpkg-reconfigure otrs2" nothing at all happens? does it just immediately return? |
| 17:30.15 | antgel | utopia_: you seen http://members.chello.nl/~j.vreeken/se401/? |
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| 17:31.00 | antgel | utopia_: i don't see epcam in debian (stable), so looks like you need to build it |
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| 17:31.46 | antgel | utopia_: although... the kernel patches offered are old - you'll have to see what current status it |
| 17:31.47 | andyp_ | hi |
| 17:31.51 | utopia_ | antgel, ah..epcam is the driver for it? |
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| 17:32.33 | andyp_ | just installed alsa and alsamixer and get a message the update -modules common is depreciated |
| 17:32.54 | antgel | utopia_: seems to be, according to my Google Search *cough* |
| 17:33.07 | utopia_ | what do i do to a .diff file? |
| 17:33.31 | utopia_ | or what is a .diff file |
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| 17:33.57 | snowbird | i can not open port |
| 17:34.09 | utopia_ | stupid question ? ;\ |
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| 17:34.30 | snowbird | no not stupid |
| 17:34.37 | snowbird | hard job |
| 17:34.52 | utopia_ | whats the general idea? |
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| 17:35.06 | snowbird | find ip tables tell it open |
| 17:35.16 | stew | utopia_: a diff file is a file showing the comarison of two different files or sets of files. it is generated by the "diff" command and one generally uses the "patch" command to apply a diff to one set of files, to make it look like another |
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| 17:35.40 | snowbird | outher ? should fire fox be in source list? |
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| 17:35.57 | andyp_ | stew: hi soted out my lvm problems we were talking about last friday |
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| 17:35.59 | utopia_ | steve, ah |
| 17:36.00 | utopia_ | so |
| 17:36.02 | utopia_ | stew* |
| 17:36.04 | stew | snowbird: firefox is called iceweasel in debian |
| 17:36.13 | stew | snowbird: how are you trying to open a port? |
| 17:36.15 | utopia_ | so i have to patch the .diff file to some kernel fles? |
| 17:36.17 | utopia_ | *files? |
| 17:36.22 | snowbird | right is there suposed to be that in sorce list |
| 17:36.33 | stew | snowbird: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:36.41 | snowbird | etch stew |
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| 17:37.21 | slidesinger | Does anyone know the real difference in performance between framebuffer and x? I've been reading through articles, etc that I googled and the results seem to be all over the place. |
| 17:37.24 | stew | snowbird: then iceweasel should be available, yes. "apt-cache policy iceweasel" should list 2.0.0.6-0eth1 in "Candidate:" |
| 17:37.40 | snowbird | i add it like that |
| 17:38.08 | snowbird | type it stew il cut and paste it |
| 17:38.09 | utopia_ | i'm really not understanding what i'm suppose to do with epcam |
| 17:38.12 | andyp_ | and when i run alsamixer although aslaconf has been run its empty no sound |
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| 17:39.03 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 17:39.03 | dpkg | [alsa-checklist] 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 17:39.27 | stew | snowbird: show us the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy iceweasel" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 17:39.44 | snowbird | kk |
| 17:39.49 | xleonardox | hi everyone... kind of offtopic, i guess... but i'd apreciate any help... i've just instaled the jabber client gajim... i've already configured its transports correctly, and i'm able to do file transfers through jabber... but not through msn transport... i've already performed the instructions i found on the gajim wiki, but it didn't work... is there anybody who has already achieved file transfer using msn transport in gajim? |
| 17:39.56 | andyp_ | abortman: ok I will run alsa-checklist see what if anything shows up |
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| 17:40.17 | andyp_ | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 17:41.51 | jair | hello everyone, I am on the track on the linuxworld if you have any question about desktop linux I can ask :) |
| 17:42.49 | andyp_ | abortman: thanks for your asla checklist, i did notice that the update- modlues common is depreciated message appears |
| 17:42.51 | snowbird | stew get it? |
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| 17:43.42 | stew | snowbird: no, where did you put it? |
| 17:43.42 | jair | abrotman: I am on the linux world conference |
| 17:43.47 | snowbird | now for pesky ports |
| 17:43.51 | snowbird | flood |
| 17:44.00 | snowbird | #flood stew |
| 17:44.05 | jair | if anyone here have questions for the Linux professionals let me know :) |
| 17:44.08 | stew | snowbird: i'm not in #flood |
| 17:44.16 | snowbird | ok hold on |
| 17:44.29 | yetistomps | jair: i am having some problems accessing my shared drives from winxp via samba. I did a smbpasswd -a yeti somepass. But I still cannot connect to my box from winxp. Any ideas? |
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| 17:44.35 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:45.26 | jerware | hi |
| 17:45.29 | jerware | wine only supports windows native dll files. is there an alternative to run a program that suplies it's own dlls ? |
| 17:45.34 | academy | Does anyone know of an open source sat nav project for linux? |
| 17:45.45 | jair | yetistomps: that is a question about samba, but try: 1) add the user on the linux system, 2) add the user on the samba server 3) check the permissions on the directory you are sharing |
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| 17:45.56 | snowbird | i put it in # flood |
| 17:46.13 | snowbird | thets were paste bin took me to |
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| 17:46.19 | jair | yetistomps: also check the samba by example book it is free on the samba.org site |
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| 17:49.49 | andyp_ | hi |
| 17:49.59 | utopia_ | ok so i figured out i have to patch it against the kernel |
| 17:50.04 | utopia_ | how do i go about doing this? |
| 17:50.13 | edju | I have a laptop which won't read a cdr, so I can't boot from a live CD. Have to repartition. Installed debian using goodbymicrosoft. Can I use the debian installer, just to repartition the drive w/o lost data? |
| 17:50.19 | utopia_ | or is there a link to a doc that explains patching against the kernel |
| 17:50.26 | utopia_ | _any_ help greatly appreciated |
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| 17:51.22 | andyp_ | abrotman: I notice that when I run alsamixer the Item: line is like so "Master [dB -94.50 -94.50] |
| 17:51.23 | utopia_ | edju, i cant remember but if you can't you could just use something like partition magic from windows to create the partitions |
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| 17:51.41 | antgel | utopia_: i would worry that the patches are so old they won't apply. but man patch is a good place to start |
| 17:51.55 | snowbird | stew |
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| 17:52.02 | utopia_ | antgel, always worth a try :) |
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| 17:52.43 | antgel | utopia_: indeed. i would look around for something more up-to-date |
| 17:52.57 | utopia_ | it seems to be the only driver for my webcam tho |
| 17:52.57 | stew | edju: no, you'd want to use something like gparted or partition magic if you want to resize partitions without losing the data they contain |
| 17:52.58 | utopia_ | :( |
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| 17:53.31 | antgel | utopia_: yeah, but maybe the url i sent you is old |
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| 17:54.12 | stew | snowbird: please don't /msg me |
| 17:54.17 | stew | dpkg: tell snowbird about pastebin |
| 17:54.19 | snowbird | sorry |
| 17:54.24 | edju | steve, Wish I could use gpparted - but I can't boot from the cd. |
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| 17:55.02 | abrotman | andyp_: can they go up/down ? |
| 17:55.02 | stew | edju: can you boot from a usb thumb-drive? |
| 17:55.19 | Muisje | lol? |
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| 17:55.26 | thirst | i am on lenny.. in compiz .. my windows dont have borders.. i have gtk-window-decorator installed. what else shud i check ? |
| 17:55.26 | utopia_ | antfgel, nope unfortunetly that seems like as up to date as it is gonna get |
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| 17:55.37 | edju | steve, I doubt it - the BIOS doesn't list usb. |
| 17:55.42 | pickcoder | abrotman: you had a question about amavis last week? |
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| 17:56.06 | andyp_ | abrotman: can what go up or down? |
| 17:56.13 | abrotman | pickcoder: does it suck up a ton of CPU all the time? |
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| 17:56.33 | abrotman | pickcoder: erm .. not CPU .. RAM :) |
| 17:57.12 | snowbird | http://rafb.net/p/BuLvcQ92.html |
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| 17:57.17 | snowbird | stew go there |
| 17:57.18 | abrotman | andyp_: the level |
| 17:57.43 | andyp_ | abrotman: all the levels are empty |
| 17:58.04 | stew | snowbird: and what does "apt-cache policy iceweasel" return? |
| 17:58.20 | utopia_ | does anybody know what file i should be patching when applying a kernel patch? |
| 17:58.27 | stew | snowbird: err, what does "apt-cache policy iceweasel libc6" return? |
| 17:58.37 | snowbird | both? |
| 17:58.44 | stew | snowbird: just the second one |
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| 18:02.07 | edju | stew, No- the BIOS doesn't list usb. Guess I'll have to figure out how to boot it from the network - I think that's possible. |
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| 18:03.38 | snowbird | stew looks fine? |
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| 18:04.51 | snowbird | how do list usb? |
| 18:05.27 | shogunx | lsusb |
| 18:06.01 | snowbird | i kned to tell if its usb 2.0 |
| 18:06.43 | andyp_ | abrotman: maybe its something to do with this "the update -modules common is depreciated |
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| 18:06.52 | shogunx | dmesg | grep usb | grep 2 |
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| 18:08.49 | snowbird | on usb-0000:00:02.0 thats usb 2.0 i think |
| 18:08.57 | snowbird | stew i wounder if that list is ok |
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| 18:09.45 | pickcoder | abrotman: it uses a bit |
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| 18:11.40 | snowbird | what do i look for in usb hub |
| 18:12.21 | anapivirtua | Good evening / Bonsoir |
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| 18:13.01 | cr3 | how can I restart X from the command-line, like Ctrl-Alt-Backspace |
| 18:13.32 | stew | cr3: how did you start it:? from startx? or with a dm? |
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| 18:14.38 | cr3 | stew: dm |
| 18:14.57 | stew | cr3: '/etc/init.d/gdm restart' (or xdm,kdm,whichever) |
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| 18:15.04 | snowbird | stew you here with me? |
| 18:15.06 | twobitsprite | I tried to remove/purge apache2 so that I could reinstall it, but it doesn't seem to remove/install the /etc/apache2 directory |
| 18:15.12 | stew | snowbird: i'm here |
| 18:15.22 | snowbird | is that list aok? |
| 18:15.27 | cr3 | stew: thanks! |
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| 18:15.42 | stew | snowbird: what list? |
| 18:15.58 | snowbird | did not get it one abought line too was err |
| 18:16.19 | snowbird | lib six |
| 18:16.21 | pickcoder | erm.. wait.. that's 51,696K not 51K |
| 18:16.30 | abrotman | pickcoder: mine is about 50MB |
| 18:16.30 | pickcoder | 50M |
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| 18:17.19 | stew | snowbird: i didn't understand that. |
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| 18:17.35 | snowbird | you wanted list of lib 6 |
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| 18:17.54 | stew | snowbird: i wanted you to show me the output of "apt-cache policy iceweasel libc6" |
| 18:17.55 | snowbird | "apt-cache policy iceweasel libc6 stew |
| 18:18.02 | snowbird | did u get it? |
| 18:18.06 | stew | snowbird: no |
| 18:18.11 | snowbird | il re doo it |
| 18:18.22 | zicho | like 5-8 seconds after i plug an USB Mass Storage device in, it automatically disconnected. My /var/log/messages tells me that it gets connected, but it gets disconnected right after. Can someone help me? =/ |
| 18:18.28 | stew | snowbird: how did you expect me to get it? do you have a url? |
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| 18:18.38 | snowbird | i did steve |
| 18:19.01 | stew | snowbird: you didn't mention the url here yet |
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| 18:19.16 | balgan | Hi there i was trying to install nvidia on debian but it says it cant find the kernel source files even tho i installed them |
| 18:19.16 | snowbird | was in text i think scroll up |
| 18:19.21 | pickcoder | abrotman: I have 30 servers running |
| 18:19.29 | pickcoder | probably overkill |
| 18:19.41 | stew | snowbird: no, not here |
| 18:19.49 | snowbird | kk |
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| 18:21.00 | twobitsprite | balgan: IIRC, the nvidia install looks in /usr/src/linux, but debian puts the source somewhere else, like /usr/src/kernel-something |
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| 18:21.32 | balgan | twobitsprite, how can i change it then ? move folder ? create sysmlink? |
| 18:21.46 | snowbird | http://rafb.net/p/JVeLnJ44.html here stew |
| 18:21.59 | stew | snowbird: so you already have iceweasel installed |
| 18:22.01 | twobitsprite | balgan: nvidia's installer should let you specify a different location, I think... if not, then symlink would work |
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| 18:22.14 | snowbird | right but do i need updates orce? |
| 18:22.18 | snowbird | sorce |
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| 18:22.32 | stew | snowbird: no, you have the lastest |
| 18:22.39 | snowbird | great |
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| 18:22.41 | snowbird | thanks |
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| 18:23.23 | badcfe | sorry folks, but could anyone give me the name of the meta deb package containing all essential c compiling and linking stuff? |
| 18:23.34 | antgel | !tell badcfe about b-e |
| 18:23.48 | badcfe | antgel: that was quick |
| 18:23.55 | jetscreamer | !tell badcfe -about kp |
| 18:23.56 | jetscreamer | also |
| 18:24.12 | badcfe | build-essentials or something |
| 18:24.16 | jetscreamer | no s |
| 18:24.21 | jetscreamer | essential |
| 18:24.23 | antgel | badcfe: yeah, i have no life. i'm going out for a walk and some food |
| 18:24.41 | jetscreamer | you did see the pm the bot sent you right |
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| 18:24.51 | jetscreamer | pmS |
| 18:25.20 | badcfe | antgel: like me myself. i have hollydays now but find myself fiddling with the computer anyway. |
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| 18:25.41 | jetscreamer | holi |
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| 18:26.05 | LePasPsy | hi |
| 18:27.01 | LePasPsy | i have a problem with boot with grub, the root change each time i booting |
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| 18:27.18 | stew | LePasPsy: can you be more specific? |
| 18:27.29 | jetscreamer | LePasPsy: you have multiple ide controllers |
| 18:27.40 | jetscreamer | true? |
| 18:27.47 | abrotman | pickcoder: you think ? |
| 18:27.48 | LePasPsy | jetscreamer yes, i have scsi, ide, and sata |
| 18:28.01 | snowbird | stew my sorces ok? |
| 18:28.03 | jetscreamer | you can install yaird, and then rip out udev |
| 18:28.06 | stew | snowbird: yes |
| 18:28.14 | jetscreamer | it's a bug and nobody fixes it |
| 18:28.17 | stew | ? |
| 18:28.32 | LePasPsy | jetscreamer ok i see it thanks |
| 18:28.33 | jetscreamer | LePasPsy: i've also had success with compiling my own kernel |
| 18:28.38 | stew | LePasPsy: wait |
| 18:28.43 | jetscreamer | wait for stew |
| 18:28.46 | jetscreamer | he's smart |
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| 18:28.51 | jetscreamer | but i know this bug |
| 18:28.52 | LePasPsy | jetscreamer ok :) |
| 18:29.13 | LePasPsy | jetscreamer there is a bug with udev ? |
| 18:29.19 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 18:29.20 | stew | LePasPsy: what exactly is happening? sometimes your / is something like /dev/hda1 and sometimes its something like /dev/hde1 ? |
| 18:29.24 | stew | LePasPsy: no, there isn't |
| 18:29.24 | pickcoder | ~230msgs/min being scanned |
| 18:29.39 | jetscreamer | you might also try using UUID in the grub line instead of hda1 or whatever for root= |
| 18:29.40 | snowbird | thanks stew il aset for life |
| 18:29.44 | LePasPsy | stew yes |
| 18:29.57 | pickcoder | 4/sec rarely needs 30 amavis processes for handling |
| 18:30.00 | jetscreamer | uuid's are seen in /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 18:30.18 | stew | LePasPsy: yes, then i'd recommend what jetscreamer is talking about, change to using uuids |
| 18:30.24 | stew | we really should have a factoid for this by now |
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| 18:30.31 | pickcoder | in actuality only a small portion of those actually make it to the content_filter |
| 18:30.41 | LePasPsy | jetscreamer stew ok i see it thanks for all |
| 18:30.48 | jetscreamer | np |
| 18:30.50 | balgan | twobitsprite, i get a new error now |
| 18:30.51 | balgan | lol |
| 18:30.58 | stew | LePasPsy: you want to change two things, fstab and menu.lst |
| 18:31.00 | jetscreamer | since 2.6.13 it does that, or so |
| 18:31.07 | LePasPsy | stew ok |
| 18:31.13 | badcfe | antgel: i build a shit from source and its eager to have a "zlib.h" .. do you know what package i need |
| 18:31.17 | badcfe | antgel: ? |
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| 18:31.33 | jetscreamer | yeah i have it in both, i fergawt |
| 18:31.53 | stew | LePasPsy: when you change menu.lst, the only line you should be changing is the one that says "# kopt=....root=/dev/hda1" change that to be something like "root=UUID=ABCDE" ; then run "update-grub" |
| 18:31.56 | twobitsprite | balgan: what error? |
| 18:32.16 | LePasPsy | stew ok, thanks |
| 18:32.22 | stew | LePasPsy: when you change fstab, just change "/dev/hda1" to "UUID=ABCDE" (where in both cases ABCDE is the actual uuid found in /dev/) |
| 18:32.26 | badcfe | anyony know what package i need to install in order to have zlib.h in systems include |
| 18:32.31 | badcfe | ? |
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| 18:32.39 | balgan | twobitsprite, http://paste.debian.net/34166 |
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| 18:32.41 | themill | !tell badcfe about search |
| 18:32.49 | badcfe | yeah |
| 18:32.57 | twobitsprite | badcfe: libz-dev ? |
| 18:33.00 | jetscreamer | badcfe: linux-headers-$(uname -r) ? |
| 18:33.02 | cr3 | stew: is there a way to stop x if it was started with startx? |
| 18:33.12 | LePasPsy | stew i see if is there |
| 18:33.20 | twobitsprite | cr3: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 18:33.25 | balgan | cr3, /etc/init.d/kdm stop or gdm |
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| 18:33.29 | balgan | or wtv |
| 18:33.29 | badcfe | or zlib1g-dev ? |
| 18:33.38 | cr3 | twobitsprite: sorry, from the command line |
| 18:33.42 | jetscreamer | balgan: if it was started with startx... |
| 18:33.46 | stew | cr3: kill the X process |
| 18:33.49 | twobitsprite | cr3: killall X ? |
| 18:33.54 | cr3 | balgan: X was started with startx, not a dm |
| 18:34.01 | balgan | ah k |
| 18:34.09 | jelly | badcfe: zlib1g-dev sounds right |
| 18:34.16 | balgan | twobitsprite, did u saw the error ? |
| 18:34.17 | stew | cr3: there will be a "/usr/bin/X" process running |
| 18:34.35 | stew | cr3: in fact that method would work in either case |
| 18:35.01 | jelly | stew: forcibly killing X usually leaves the console in bad state here, ctrl-alt-backspace is nicer |
| 18:35.29 | cr3 | stew: cool! that took care of all the other related processes such as xinit and the window manager |
| 18:35.29 | LePasPsy | stew for use uuid, you use uuidgen ? |
| 18:35.39 | stew | jelly: he started all of this with a "without using ctrl-alt-backspace, how can i..." |
| 18:35.43 | jelly | LePasPsy: blkid |
| 18:35.45 | pickcoder | abrotman: fail2ban saves on amavis hits |
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| 18:35.52 | LePasPsy | jelly ok thanks |
| 18:36.09 | twobitsprite | balgan: you need a different source package.... you need the linux-tree-2.6.whatever |
| 18:36.22 | abrotman | pickcoder: oh .. i suppose it would |
| 18:36.28 | stew | LePasPsy: no, run "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid" to find the uuid |
| 18:36.32 | cr3 | stew: I then tried to start x from remote again using nohup but I don't get my propmt again, should I be using screen instead |
| 18:36.39 | twobitsprite | balgan: this is a copy of the source tree actually used to build the kernel you are running |
| 18:36.41 | LePasPsy | stew ok thanks |
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| 18:37.00 | stew | cr3: probably |
| 18:37.16 | balgan | twobitsprite, can i pm ? |
| 18:38.06 | twobitsprite | balgan: what do you have to say that you can't say in here? |
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| 18:38.36 | pickcoder | abrotman: are you looking to hit a memory goal or something? |
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| 18:40.57 | snowbird | yow see if u ind power cord need transformer |
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| 18:45.20 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 18:45.28 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 18:47.23 | twobitsprite | fyi, there is a french channel, #debian-fr |
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| 18:48.51 | barefoot | I am trying to install the fglrx driver, but it keeps borking due to PARAVIRT support in the kernel. I tried to built it under 2.6.18-4, but `m-a prepare` keeps telling me it cant find the headers package |
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| 18:49.09 | barefoot | how can I do this without going to unstable? |
| 18:49.23 | barefoot | currently in testing |
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| 18:49.59 | jorgp | barefoot: how is testing compared to etch? |
| 18:50.19 | barefoot | okay I guess, except they broke the i810 driver |
| 18:50.53 | jorgp | barefoot: is that only thing that is broken? |
| 18:51.07 | barefoot | hehe probably not, just the only thing that really affects me |
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| 18:53.53 | stew | jorgp: that is not even close to the only thing broken in testing |
| 18:55.01 | nelf | Java plugin for iceweasel on amd64? |
| 18:55.39 | stew | nelf: java-gcj-compat-plugin |
| 18:55.51 | stew | nelf: or gcjwebplugin |
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| 18:56.41 | jorgp | stew: yeah, i've been reading the lists |
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| 18:57.58 | nelf | stew: Thanks... I'll give it a whirl |
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| 19:03.56 | svarog-r00lz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.57 | mancubus1 | does anyone know how work TCPKeepalive in SSHD? |
| 19:03.57 | svarog-r00lz | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?" anyone have any idea what to do, please, thanks |
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| 19:04.22 | stew | svarog-r00lz: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:04.25 | mancubus1 | svarog-r00lz, base is used |
| 19:04.28 | svarog-r00lz | etch |
| 19:04.46 | stew | is automatix in debian now? |
| 19:04.55 | svarog-r00lz | stew, yes |
| 19:05.02 | stew | no, it isn't |
| 19:05.04 | mancubus1 | svarog-r00lz, Do you use update-notify? |
| 19:05.18 | svarog-r00lz | mancubus1, yes |
| 19:05.31 | svarog-r00lz | stew, you are right, sorry |
| 19:05.38 | vor | Hi, How can I make sour no data/cached files, from a smb mount, are left on a clinet after a pc crash/logoff. my concern is to bild a system that if stolen will have no data on it. |
| 19:05.49 | mancubus1 | svarog-r00lz, it corrupt dpkg base |
| 19:06.13 | stew | svarog-r00lz: you need to kill whatever has the database locked,so look for a running process named dpkg or apt-get or aptitude or synaptic or debconf or dpkg-reconfigure or something |
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| 19:09.06 | Illarane | If you are a muppet and delete /etc/apache2/apache2.conf instead of /etc/apache2/httpd.conf, which is a symlink to the former, how the bloody hell do you get apache2.conf back? Force-reinstalling apache2 and apache2.2p |
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| 19:09.15 | Illarane | *apache2-common don't seem to do it, just everything else. |
| 19:09.26 | stew | Illarane: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 19:09.34 | stew | lordrich: and httpd.conf should be a blank file, not a symlink |
| 19:09.38 | stew | err |
| 19:09.43 | stew | Illarane: ^^ |
| 19:10.17 | Illarane | stew: It was a symlink when I inherited it. :p |
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| 19:11.22 | Illarane | Brilliant. :) |
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| 19:13.09 | chlue | Hello, I want to share some files in a LAN (readable by windows clients), but I need pw-protection. Is there still something, that it easier to setup and understand than Samba? |
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| 19:16.00 | cmacis | evening all. is there a way to get pages that need the windows media player plugin to work with iceweasel? |
| 19:16.44 | themill | chlue: there are front-ends to samba configuration. If you want to install sftp clients on your windoze boxen then that's an option too. |
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| 19:19.12 | chlue | themill: actually the windows system is not mine, installing something there is not an option. It should run out of the box with windows. So Samba would be the easiest task for that? |
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| 19:19.43 | dkr | chlue: yes |
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| 19:20.46 | chlue | dkr: I feared that answer :-( |
| 19:21.04 | mbuf | ps waux | grep -i 'nolisten' displays X starting with -nolisten, even though i removed "-nolisten" in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc, why? how can i make X listen on TCP? using debian etch |
| 19:21.40 | dkr | chlue: samba is not difficult to setup. you install it and read the configuration instructions and follow them, like any other software |
| 19:21.47 | tcsetattr | if you're not using xinit (startx) the /etc/X11/xinit/* is probably irrelevant. |
| 19:22.09 | tcsetattr | /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers perhaps? |
| 19:22.30 | dkr | grep -r nolisten /etc/X11 :) |
| 19:22.38 | mbuf | tcsetattr: no xdm in X11 |
| 19:22.45 | themill | chlue: samba isn't as difficult to set up as its reputation has it. You will probably only add one short stanza to the config file that will be just like a commented out one that's already in there. |
| 19:22.56 | chlue | dkr: the problem with powerfull network software is to understand the potential security risks. |
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| 19:23.24 | mbuf | tcsetattr: dkr nolisten is present only in xserverrc, which I have modified; it also says binary file /etc/X11/X matches |
| 19:23.25 | dkr | chlue: you have a windows network you don't control and you are worried about security? heh ;) |
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| 19:24.27 | jean | what is the utility that shows exactly the key binding of the keyboard ? I want to bind the window start key on the keyboard to show desktop but I forgot what that utility is |
| 19:24.50 | mbuf | jean, xmodmap? |
| 19:24.56 | jean | mbuff: thanks |
| 19:25.02 | chlue | dkr: no i am in an university dorm and need to share some files with a fellow student, but I don't want to make them public to everyone on the network. |
| 19:25.16 | maxdoubt | i'm trying to get linux's software raid working, but it appears that the bios raid (intel) won't let it work correctly, do i have any options here? |
| 19:25.32 | dkr | mbuf: hrm, maybe this file? /etc/X11/fs/config it has "no-listen = tcp" |
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| 19:26.23 | themill | chlue: a webserver would be another way of doing it. Read-only is trivial, Read-write can be done with dav. Samba would be easier to set up though :) |
| 19:26.25 | mbuf | dkr, there is no /etc/X11/fs in my directory |
| 19:26.26 | dkr | chlue: then configure samba to only share the dir with his ip address |
| 19:26.41 | dkr | mbuf: ah, I am running debian stable |
| 19:26.42 | mbuf | dkr, do i need to install anything |
| 19:26.47 | mbuf | dkr: debian etch here |
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| 19:27.06 | maxdoubt | i can setup md0 w/ linux software raid1 (2 disks), but the bios appears to keep the array from booting if i unplug 1 of the disks |
| 19:27.13 | chlue | themill, dkr: Ok thanks for the help. I will play a bit with the config. |
| 19:27.16 | dkr | oh, that's the font serevr config |
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| 19:27.20 | h3sp4wn | chlue: or you can use nfs |
| 19:27.31 | h3sp4wn | chlue: using services for unix on the windows machines |
| 19:27.42 | jean | mbuf: I was looking for xev but xmodmap pointed right to it thanks a lot |
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| 19:28.05 | mbuf | jean, np |
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| 19:28.40 | dkr | hrm, you'd think this was a faq, :) |
| 19:28.40 | EvanCarroll | If you have both an deb-install script, an uninstall script that fails for the same package what is the advised plan of action? |
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| 19:28.49 | chlue | h3sp4wn: telling windows users to install something to comunicate with linux usually results in some kind of defensive reaction ;-) |
| 19:28.58 | dkr | we all knwo you need to launch X without the -nolisten tcp arg, but not where that is at, heh ;) |
| 19:29.02 | EvanCarroll | I tried `dpkg --force-all -i ./deb.deb` and no joy |
| 19:29.11 | maxdoubt | and it seems like using bios based raid has a lot of disadvantages over using linux powered software raid |
| 19:29.32 | h3sp4wn | chlue: depends whether its you who needs them to access foo or them who wants to access foo |
| 19:29.49 | mbuf | dkr, i have removed -noliste in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc, and yet the binary file says it has -nolisten in it; has it been hard-coded for security reasons? |
| 19:30.14 | mbuf | dkr, binary file for X; |
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| 19:30.19 | dkr | mbuf: no, the string is in the binary because it has to compare its commandline args to see if it was passed that option |
| 19:30.31 | mbuf | dkr, ahh ok |
| 19:31.01 | themill | chlue: it depends how much they want it :) If you have the power then you can dictate the terms of access :) |
| 19:31.08 | dkr | mbuf: oh yeah, you did restart X after removing the option, right? ;) |
| 19:31.22 | mbuf | dkr, after removing -nolisten, i changed runlevel, even tried rebooting (not required); and still X starts with that option |
| 19:31.38 | dkr | ok, just making sure we ruled out the obvious. :) |
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| 19:32.44 | Illarane | "Invalid command Order" when starting apache, anyone? I thought that stuff was built in? |
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| 19:33.24 | Creeture | Where do I set a -j option for make when using debuild ? |
| 19:34.20 | nelf | stew: Is there a way to get IBMs java to be used for iceweasel. |
| 19:34.46 | themill | mbuf: how is X being started? xdm? |
| 19:35.25 | mbuf | themill: how do i check? |
| 19:35.53 | mbuf | themill: i think it is gdm |
| 19:36.19 | stew | nelf: does ibm distribute a 64 bit java that includes a browser plugin? |
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| 19:36.19 | themill | mbuf: if you look at the "tree" structure in ps axf that will tell you. But if you are using gdm then that will be starting X. |
| 19:36.38 | themill | does gdm have config options for nolisten too? |
| 19:37.03 | kanzure | Hi all. I am on a fresh Debian install (from the fancy 30 mb CD image) and am wondering how to go about figuring out what wireless (Broadcom) hardware I have. There's no relevant text in dmesg. What should I check next? |
| 19:37.15 | antgel | kanzure: lspci |
| 19:37.46 | pickcoder | lspci -v will give more info |
| 19:37.47 | kanzure | Broadcom BCM4306. Thanks, antgel :) |
| 19:38.01 | h3sp4wn | stew: It doesn't |
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| 19:38.20 | kanzure | What commands in general should I be using to set this all up? iwconfig, ifconfig, lspci, etc.? |
| 19:38.38 | kanzure | I think iwlist might be relevant |
| 19:39.03 | themill | mbuf: I wasn't following earlier... is there a reason you want to listen on tcp? it's turned off for a reason. |
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| 19:39.29 | nelf | stew: The reason I ask is that that gcj plugin didn't work for the we app I was after - it is asking for Sun or IBM jdk |
| 19:39.32 | kanzure | Hmm. Just my luck. Looks like there are no drivers for my hardware, except ndiswrapper support. Is that acceptable / a good thing ? |
| 19:39.37 | pickcoder | kanzure: see if your chipset is supported first |
| 19:39.53 | pickcoder | the bcm43xx driver is still relatively new |
| 19:39.54 | kanzure | pickcoder: Apparently it is by ndiswrapper, but I have no experience using that package. |
| 19:39.56 | kanzure | hm |
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| 19:40.06 | kanzure | Looks like somebody has tried this before- http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=379718 |
| 19:40.11 | stew | nelf: i don't believe either sun or produce a plugin for 64 bit iceweasel under linux |
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| 19:40.30 | kanzure | Should I just apt-get install ndiswrapper ? |
| 19:40.36 | pickcoder | !bcm43xx |
| 19:40.36 | dpkg | from memory, bcm43xx is the broadcom 43xx series driver; originally available as a patch at http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/, it has been included in all kernels after 2.6.17-rc2. http://wiki.debian.org/BCM43xx |
| 19:41.01 | pickcoder | the 4306 should be supported |
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| 19:41.30 | kanzure | If it has already been included in kernels, and I just downloaded my Debian CD yesterday, then should I already have support for it installed? |
| 19:41.30 | nelf | stew: IBM have a 64 bit jre .bin for download - I guess that doesn't help |
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| 19:41.56 | stew | nelf: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 19:42.17 | blinx | I want to automount my seagate external hdd |
| 19:42.25 | antgel | kanzure: yep |
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| 19:42.48 | nelf | stew: yeah, but does that help get me a plugin |
| 19:42.54 | pickcoder | kanzure: I will tell you from experience that the ndiswrapper is easier to get working, but the kernel driver supports the chip more fully |
| 19:42.55 | stew | nelf: i have no idea |
| 19:42.56 | blinx | I use firewire and I want to use udev with ivman |
| 19:43.03 | nelf | stew: Fair enough :) |
| 19:43.04 | stew | nelf: if the .bin requires one, it does, if not, it doesn't |
| 19:43.18 | stew | blinx: did you try ivman? |
| 19:43.30 | blinx | but my udev rule doesn't want to work |
| 19:43.34 | kanzure | pickcoder or antgel- I am rather lost now, what does this mean for me? Should I install ndiswrapper, and then what? Would there be a command to run to download the specific driver I need? |
| 19:43.44 | kanzure | in other words I don't see any path that I have to follow |
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| 19:43.57 | stew | blinx: what are you trying to do with a udev rule? ivman should work fine without having to add any extra udev rules |
| 19:44.17 | pickcoder | kanzure: goto that second link dpkg posted |
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| 19:44.21 | blinx | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/2287/ |
| 19:44.22 | kanzure | pickcoder: alright |
| 19:44.30 | blinx | stew: but the dev-name changes |
| 19:44.38 | blinx | sdd1 sdc1 etc |
| 19:44.51 | stew | blinx: why does that matter? |
| 19:44.59 | kanzure | pickcoder: Haha. Woah. Simple. :) |
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| 19:45.10 | blinx | stew: you want to do that with the uuid? |
| 19:45.21 | stew | blinx: do what? |
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| 19:45.25 | pickcoder | don't forget to install wireless-tools |
| 19:45.37 | blinx | stew: to auto mount the hdd |
| 19:45.44 | kanzure | pickcoder: yeah, I figured as much |
| 19:45.51 | stew | blinx: ivman should just mount it to /media and use a sub-directory name based on the parition label if one exists |
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| 19:46.29 | stew | blinx: is ivman running now? |
| 19:46.34 | blinx | stew: but it only happens if I will click on the icon in thunar |
| 19:46.38 | kanzure | pickcoder: Now what? Iwconfig device up? |
| 19:47.01 | blinx | stew: I should install it first :) |
| 19:47.07 | stew | blinx: that should not be the case. ivman's configuration as shipped should be automounting it as long as it is removable |
| 19:47.16 | pickcoder | kanzure: is the device listed in iwconfig? |
| 19:47.22 | kanzure | pickcoder: yeah |
| 19:47.29 | pickcoder | do you have a public access point? |
| 19:47.38 | kanzure | pickcoder: it does not mention any public access point |
| 19:47.45 | dkr | mbuf: this is bizarre, i see that the gui, gdmsetup has an option in security tab to "Deny TCP connections to Xserver", but can't find the option in the config files, :0 |
| 19:47.46 | kanzure | pickcoder: but I do have one sitting next to me physically |
| 19:47.55 | pickcoder | is it protected though |
| 19:47.59 | kanzure | pickcoder: nope |
| 19:48.21 | pickcoder | for testing, you should be able to bring it up with ifup <device> |
| 19:48.23 | dkr | mbuf: ah, found it, in gdm.conf DisallowTCP=false |
| 19:48.32 | pickcoder | then you should try to secure the access point |
| 19:48.44 | kanzure | pickcoder: "Ignoring unknown interface eth2=eth2" |
| 19:48.45 | pickcoder | or iwconfig <device> up |
| 19:49.02 | kanzure | pickcoder: "Error : unrecognised wireless request "up" " |
| 19:49.04 | pickcoder | kanzure: yeah.. you need to add the device to /etc/network/interfaces if it's a permanent nic |
| 19:49.05 | blinx | stew: how can I check if it works? |
| 19:49.12 | kanzure | pickcoder: hmm, okay |
| 19:49.29 | pickcoder | I'm not a wireless guru by any means |
| 19:49.36 | pickcoder | I've used wireless-tools a few times here |
| 19:49.38 | pickcoder | heh |
| 19:49.42 | stew | blinx: if ivman is started, plug in the drive, wait 5 seconds or so, then run "mount" and see if it got mounted to /media somewhere |
| 19:49.42 | kanzure | pickcoder: Do you know the syntax to use in that file? |
| 19:49.45 | themill | dkr: aha.... thought there would be something like that. :) |
| 19:49.50 | kanzure | it looks like just a list of commands |
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| 19:49.55 | kanzure | but I don't know what commands to use ;) |
| 19:50.03 | abrotman | pickcoder: no .. ijust thought the mem usage was excessive on my system .. but you're seeing the same |
| 19:50.16 | pickcoder | iface <device> inet dhcp |
| 19:50.19 | dkr | themill: took me way too long to find, though, heh |
| 19:50.20 | kanzure | pickcoder: okay |
| 19:50.33 | themill | dkr: welcome to gnome settings... :( |
| 19:50.34 | pickcoder | provided you are getting an IP via the AP's DHCP service |
| 19:50.49 | themill | dkr: You should be thankful it wasn't buried deep within gconf |
| 19:50.59 | dkr | themill: on the plus side, it was pretty easy to do with the gui config app, gdmsetup |
| 19:51.00 | pickcoder | abrotman: drop the max_requests down |
| 19:51.03 | kanzure | pickcoder: Hmm. Now ifup is running and keeps on telling me "send_packet" "network is down". |
| 19:51.09 | pickcoder | after X requests, the child dies |
| 19:51.10 | kanzure | pickcoder: Does this just mean I need to configure it with iwconfig now ? |
| 19:51.13 | abrotman | pickcoder: i already did :) |
| 19:51.16 | pickcoder | which will release that stack |
| 19:51.18 | pickcoder | ok |
| 19:51.18 | blinx | stew: no change |
| 19:51.25 | dkr | themill: just confusing for those of us used to grepping the init scripts to change options, :) |
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| 19:51.50 | pickcoder | kanzure: you can set it up in interfaces or by putting iwconfig commands in a startup script |
| 19:51.52 | stew | blinx: oh, this is not a removable drive? |
| 19:51.57 | stew | ATTRS{removable}=="0" |
| 19:51.59 | pickcoder | I don't remember the interfaces syntax for wireless |
| 19:52.03 | blinx | it is a removable drive |
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| 19:52.15 | stew | blinx: well hal isn't reporting it as removable, which is why ivman isn't mounting it |
| 19:52.17 | blinx | but maybe the information are not the right |
| 19:52.25 | pickcoder | there's plenty of info on Google, though |
| 19:52.25 | blinx | stew: hm |
| 19:52.28 | xingu | dkr: "disallow" ? dear ${deity} |
| 19:52.32 | kanzure | pickcoder: What startup script should I choose? Should I go edit something like /etc/init.rd/ or something ? |
| 19:52.37 | blinx | stew: can I change that? |
| 19:52.44 | themill | dkr: there's something to be said for the default options that are compiled in also being present in the config file so you can see that. |
| 19:52.44 | h3sp4wn | kanzure: are you wanting to use wpa ? |
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| 19:52.46 | pickcoder | kanzure: most people who use the wireless as a primary link put it in interfaces |
| 19:53.04 | kanzure | pickcoder: oh, the interfaces file ... right. I'll go add a line there, then. |
| 19:53.05 | xingu | dkr: what's wrong with "PermitTCP = true" |
| 19:53.07 | kanzure | h3sp4wn: I am not sure ? |
| 19:53.09 | stew | blinx: probably not, its probably a bug in either hal or the kernel. you can get ivman to mount it anyway though |
| 19:53.14 | dkr | themill: yeah, it being a negative option is a bit confusing, but that's an artifact from the actual X option -nolisten |
| 19:53.16 | pickcoder | h3sp4wn has a point too.. |
| 19:53.32 | RockerMONO | what's the command for copying a img to a floppy? my root floppy is messed up so i gotta do that again |
| 19:53.35 | kanzure | pickcoder: Hmm. I ran "iwconfig eth2 essid (the ID here)" and then ifup again, and ping -I eth2 google.com does not work. |
| 19:53.38 | h3sp4wn | kanzure: well its either man wireless or zless /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz |
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| 19:53.52 | kanzure | h3sp4wn: ah, good, some documentation |
| 19:54.00 | stew | blinx: what version of ivman do you have? |
| 19:54.01 | pickcoder | kanzure: ifconfig should show you an IP |
| 19:54.02 | h3sp4wn | kanzure: Have you done the fwcutter thing ? |
| 19:54.09 | pickcoder | route should also show a default gateway |
| 19:54.13 | kanzure | h3sp4wn: I think so, yes. |
| 19:54.15 | kanzure | pickcoder: hold on |
| 19:54.18 | blinx | 0.6.14-2 |
| 19:54.41 | kanzure | pickcoder: ifconfig does not show eth2 (the wireless device), but does show the ethernet device I am connecting to freenode on ;) |
| 19:54.56 | themill | kanzure: getting wireless working can sometimes be easier with NetworkManager and one of the nice gui frontends to it. Of course it's almost impossible to debug if it doesn't work, but it seems to work more often than not. |
| 19:54.59 | kanzure | iwconfig still shows no ESSID even though I specified it. How odd? |
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| 19:55.10 | kanzure | themill: How do I run NetworkManager? |
| 19:55.23 | RockerMONO | how do i copy root.img to a floppy? "dd if=~/Desktop/root.img of=/dev/fd0" or "dd if=/dev/fd0 of=~/Desktop/root.img"? |
| 19:55.38 | pickcoder | kanzure: iwlist scan |
| 19:55.52 | maxamillion | RockerMONO: from hard drive to floppy? |
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| 19:55.57 | RockerMONO | maxamillion: yea |
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| 19:56.00 | pikko | RockerMONO: if - input file |
| 19:56.08 | pickcoder | if you don't see your AP then your card isn't working correctly |
| 19:56.10 | RockerMONO | pikko: alright |
| 19:56.17 | blinx | stew: what you would do now? |
| 19:56.19 | kanzure | pickcoder: "eth 2 Interface doesn't support scanning : No such device" |
| 19:56.19 | chlue | Is there an easy working way to add users for Samba under KDE? The Tool in the controlcenter does not seem to work and a bug is open for over two years: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=293960 |
| 19:56.22 | pickcoder | unless, of course, you have "broadcast ESSID" disabled |
| 19:56.37 | maxamillion | RockerMONO: 'dd if=~/Desktop/root.img of=/dev/fd0' |
| 19:56.39 | pikko | does anyone here use initng? |
| 19:56.39 | themill | kanzure: NetworkManager is installed by default (I think) in etch. package network-manager and network-manager-gnome or -kde. There are also plugins for pptp, openvpn and vpnc (cisco) vpns if you need that. |
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| 19:56.54 | Creeture | chlue: define easy. easy to me is a simple "smbpasswd -a username" from commandline. |
| 19:56.59 | pickcoder | kanzure: get the lspci device ID line and pastebin it |
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| 19:57.16 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 19:57.19 | h3sp4wn | kanzure: personally I think networkmanager is just asking for a world of pain (especially with broadcom) |
| 19:57.24 | kanzure | pickcoder: Any hot tips on pasting from xterm? haha |
| 19:57.26 | dazjorz | I'm root on this box and somebody's logged in, I've got his terminal in /dev/pts/15, is there some way to read along with his terminal? |
| 19:57.36 | RockerMONO | pikko, maxamillion : i think the floppies bad... it's not copying >.> |
| 19:57.42 | kanzure | pickcoder: 03:02.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02) |
| 19:57.53 | pickcoder | don't do the -v |
| 19:57.58 | stew | blinx: oh, well, hmm, ivman is running as ivman, not root, so actually its not going to be able to mount it with mount |
| 19:58.07 | themill | chlue: kcontrolcentre's config for samba tends to make things harder to configure than the actual config files, I find. I used to use it but it tended to confuse me and stuff up the config |
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| 19:58.15 | pickcoder | I've seen chips misidentified many times |
| 19:58.18 | kanzure | pickcoder: Oops. Sorry. I should have thrown that into pastebin, but I didn't. My apologies. |
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| 19:58.32 | kanzure | don't do -v ? |
| 19:58.37 | stew | blinx: i guess you can try chaning /etc/ivman/IvmConfigBase.xml to change the user from "ivman" to "root" so that it will try to mount it with "mount" instead of "pmount" |
| 19:59.04 | pickcoder | sorry |
| 19:59.06 | pickcoder | lspci -n |
| 19:59.07 | kanzure | h3sp4wn: I have to go get networkmanager, so please excuse my delay. |
| 19:59.08 | pickcoder | bbias |
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| 19:59.39 | icf7 | when will openjdk be included in Debian? |
| 19:59.58 | themill | icf7: ask in #debian-java on irc.debian.org |
| 20:00.09 | kanzure | pickcoder: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/output.txt for lspci -n |
| 20:00.13 | h3sp4wn | kanzure: It won't help you unless you use a newer brcm43xx |
| 20:00.17 | icf7 | themill: Thanks, I'll ask there |
| 20:00.20 | RockerMONO | =\ |
| 20:00.22 | themill | icf7: but I guess they'll tell you either "soon" or "when it's ready" |
| 20:00.34 | themill | icf7: I know they have been working on it though |
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| 20:00.44 | kanzure | h3sp4wn: What do you mean by "newer"? That my card is too old? |
| 20:00.52 | kanzure | and what won't help me, networkmanager, h3sp4wn ? |
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| 20:01.09 | RockerMONO | is their jsut a way to boot with a floppy and have it tell the computer to read from the install cd? |
| 20:01.11 | dazjorz | so, is there any way to "follow" a /dev/pts/ terminal? |
| 20:01.16 | h3sp4wn | kanzure: networkmanager won't help you as its known to have problems with all but the most recent broadcom drivers |
| 20:01.23 | kanzure | h3sp4wn: ah. |
| 20:01.33 | themill | h3sp4wn: ah. |
| 20:01.45 | themill | h3sp4wn, kanzure: my bad, |
| 20:01.48 | RockerMONO | aw come on dont tell me my floppy drive died :( |
| 20:01.57 | blinx | stew: nothing changed :( |
| 20:02.03 | chlue | Creeture: With easy I mean something intuitive (usually a GUI). But the command should be enoughm, thanks. |
| 20:02.04 | inaety | RockerMONO: noooo blow it up :P |
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| 20:02.17 | kanzure | Hmm, should 'route' show eth2 (my wireless device) if I've used ifup eth2 and iwconfig eth2 essid <essid here> ? |
| 20:02.22 | RockerMONO | inaety: but i need it... cuz the other computer can only be booted via hard drive or floppy =\ |
| 20:02.33 | stew | blinx: did you restart ivman? |
| 20:02.37 | lectures4ever | hello. i "upgraded" to sid and the system is now incredibly slow , browsers, most gnome applets, server response, etc. anyone had this problem? |
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| 20:02.45 | inaety | RockerMONO: buy a five dolllar one? |
| 20:02.48 | blinx | yes |
| 20:03.08 | blinx | and replugged the hdd |
| 20:03.16 | h3sp4wn | lectures4ever: I think I might have that issue (I thought it was to do with nvidia or nspluginwrapper though) |
| 20:03.17 | RockerMONO | inaety: except i haven't seen one for sale for 2 years |
| 20:03.23 | Creeture | chlue: That's why I asked for a definition of "easy". I can add a couple hundred users and set their passwords with a shell faster than I can find the user management GUI icon. :) Whatever works for you. |
| 20:03.28 | ravn | anyone can tell me: I did addgroup me adm and /var/log/syslog is 622 with group adm, why can't I read it? |
| 20:03.30 | lectures4ever | luckily my irc client is one of the apps that don't freeze like the rest. |
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| 20:03.44 | lectures4ever | h3sp4wn, do you use lvm ? |
| 20:04.06 | RockerMONO | root.img should have disk.lbl and initrd.gz, right? |
| 20:04.07 | h3sp4wn | lectures4ever: no - actually in my case its definately nspluginwrapper |
| 20:04.11 | Creeture | ravn: You probably need to start a new shell? Your uid/gid stuff is set at login time and is never re-read. |
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| 20:04.25 | lectures4ever | what's that ? |
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| 20:04.27 | h3sp4wn | lectures4ever: or just iceweasel in general |
| 20:04.35 | inaety | RockerMONO: ebay...? |
| 20:04.35 | lectures4ever | iceweasel crashes the whole system |
| 20:04.47 | h3sp4wn | lectures4ever: dodgy hack that allows 32bit plugins with 64 bit |
| 20:04.49 | RockerMONO | inaety: dude i'm 15 lol |
| 20:04.57 | lectures4ever | h3sp4wnL iceweasel crashes and freezes everytime since i upgraded to sid |
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| 20:05.32 | kanzure | Hrm. Anybody else willing to point me in the right direction for setting up my wireless card? The driver is apparently installed and now I'm scratching my head wondering how to get iwconfig to set it with an ESSID and keep it (and be the primary internet connection). |
| 20:05.33 | RockerMONO | inaety: everyone's like "ebay ebay ebay" and i'm like "i'm a freakin kid without a credit card!" =p |
| 20:05.35 | lectures4ever | h3sp4wnL: how did you get around it ? |
| 20:05.38 | lectures4ever | or fix it ? |
| 20:05.42 | inaety | RockerMONO: i |
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| 20:05.46 | inaety | RockerMONO: i'm fifteen too! |
| 20:05.53 | RockerMONO | WOO! |
| 20:06.00 | ravn | Creeture: Really?!? I had no idea, that's very strange isn't it - so does that mean I can not withdraw a users privileges during run time? |
| 20:06.11 | simonrvn | RockerMONO: you act like a mature 15 y old, i wouldn't have guessed you were 15 |
| 20:06.20 | streuner | haha |
| 20:06.21 | RockerMONO | simonrvn: for real? |
| 20:06.22 | simonrvn | no kidding hehe |
| 20:06.28 | simonrvn | RockerMONO: yeh for real |
| 20:06.45 | kanzure | How do I configure my net connection with the 'route' command? |
| 20:06.47 | kanzure | What does 'route' do? |
| 20:06.57 | lectures4ever | h3sp4wnL: how did you get around it ? |
| 20:06.57 | RockerMONO | inaety: but i control the explosions :) |
| 20:06.59 | RockerMONO | ...kinda |
| 20:07.02 | lectures4ever | h3sp4wn how did you get around it ? |
| 20:07.03 | simonrvn | inaety: i didn't know about that ;) |
| 20:07.11 | streuner | kanzure: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 20:07.14 | inaety | simonrvn: oh we were talking about it last night haha |
| 20:07.21 | sylvanthis | ifconfig |
| 20:07.22 | RockerMONO | simonrvn: hey... at least i control the explosions :) |
| 20:07.24 | streuner | no, in general ;-) |
| 20:07.24 | RockerMONO | [sorta] |
| 20:07.26 | kanzure | streuner: Thank you. |
| 20:07.28 | themill | RockerMONO: yeah. You can actually write in english sentences, you listen to what people say and you come up with thoughtful replies and questions. That puts you in the top 2% of people who ask questions around here ;) |
| 20:07.36 | inaety | haha RockerMONO |
| 20:07.41 | simonrvn | yup i second that |
| 20:07.45 | RockerMONO | =] |
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| 20:08.11 | RockerMONO | themill: oddly enough i've been driven out of ##nonlogic by listening to complaints of the exact opposite |
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| 20:08.35 | inaety | RockerMONO: what do they know? |
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| 20:08.46 | h3sp4wn | lectures4ever: I never bothered yet really - my xterm is fast enough |
| 20:08.47 | simonrvn | probably projection on their part... people do that |
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| 20:09.01 | h3sp4wn | lectures4ever: just downgraded iceweasel to 2.0.0.5-2 |
| 20:09.11 | RockerMONO | inaety: not alot. because they told me that "a windows 95 computer should support a CD drive" |
| 20:09.13 | lectures4ever | h3sp4wn, how???? |
| 20:09.22 | RockerMONO | inaety: it will, but not if it's still a "windows 95 computer" ;) |
| 20:09.24 | h3sp4wn | lectures4ever: still there in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 20:09.29 | h3sp4wn | lectures4ever: just dpkg -i 'ed it |
| 20:09.38 | stew | blinx: try running, as root "ivman --noform --debug" and then plug the drive, and show me the output: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:09.38 | kanzure | streuner: Alright. The files have been edited and ifup -a has been executed, but my "link quality" is still 0, even though the ESSID is correct etc. Thoughts? |
| 20:09.41 | lectures4ever | what's dpkg -i do again ? |
| 20:09.42 | inaety | RockerMONO: haha, why are you still trying to boot linux on it? |
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| 20:09.50 | kanzure | lectures4ever: dpkg -i == install a package. |
| 20:10.00 | RockerMONO | inaety: because ... i dunno... i need another computer to put up in my room :) |
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| 20:10.07 | lectures4ever | thanks |
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| 20:10.15 | h3sp4wn | lectures4ever: I don't even know whether that is the issue though really |
| 20:10.20 | inaety | RockerMONO: for...entertainment? |
| 20:10.27 | RockerMONO | that too :) |
| 20:10.38 | themill | lectures4ever: if you don't have the deb still around then /msg dpkg snapshot |
| 20:10.41 | inaety | heh |
| 20:10.43 | norbert_ | hi, I have a networking question; I'm trying to set a system wide proxy and use # export HTTP_PROXY="..." for this and then restart networking, but for example wget in the bash terminal seems to ignore the proxy... any idea what I should do? |
| 20:10.56 | RockerMONO | inaety: oh yea, and i'm also trying to use my TV as a monitor.... now that's hard to pull off O.o |
| 20:10.59 | lectures4ever | i use apt-cacher actually |
| 20:11.01 | themill | norbert_: http_proxy. case matters |
| 20:11.08 | lectures4ever | but i don't know how to retrieve the old stuff |
| 20:11.12 | simonrvn | norbert_: you don't need to restart netwroking to set the proxy |
| 20:11.17 | lectures4ever | i see the older weasel at the path h3sp4wn gave |
| 20:11.29 | norbert_ | themill: thanks... again ;-) |
| 20:11.39 | norbert_ | simonrvn: so I see... okay |
| 20:11.41 | RockerMONO | inaety: because this dude gave me 2 computers... but wouldn't give me any cords or monitors :( |
| 20:12.21 | RockerMONO | inaety: oh yea! and the 1GB hard drive was the boot drive and it's now dead =p |
| 20:12.33 | pickcoder | kanzure: does dmesg show any info on your card? |
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| 20:12.47 | kanzure | pickcoder: Nah. |
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| 20:12.58 | pickcoder | lsmod shows bcm43xx loaded and in use? |
| 20:13.11 | RockerMONO | well, off to attempt to boot LInux on an ancient computer.... again! lol |
| 20:13.25 | kanzure | pickcoder: yeah, but it also says "Used by zero". |
| 20:13.49 | h3sp4wn | lectures4ever: I don't think that is it anyway |
| 20:14.11 | lectures4ever | is there a way to get back to etch ? |
| 20:14.17 | lectures4ever | would a reinstall remove all data? |
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| 20:14.30 | lectures4ever | i mean does it need to rewrite partitions ? |
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| 20:14.42 | lectures4ever | like home/user dirs ? |
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| 20:15.17 | kanzure | pickcoder: So.. what's going wrong? Is anything wrong? Maybe I missed a step |
| 20:15.22 | kanzure | pickcoder: like 'route' ? |
| 20:15.43 | pickcoder | did you get firmware for it? |
| 20:15.48 | lectures4ever | i need to log out of here since there's too little memory to install the older weasel |
| 20:15.50 | lectures4ever | brb |
| 20:15.51 | kanzure | pickcoder: yes |
| 20:15.57 | dazjorz | I'm root on this box and somebody's logged in, I've got his terminal in /dev/pts/15, is there some way to read along with his terminal? |
| 20:16.01 | h3sp4wn | lectures4ever: You cannot downgrade |
| 20:16.01 | kanzure | pickcoder: how can I double check ? Maybe I didn't get what I think I did |
| 20:16.05 | themill | lectures4ever: if you have /home on a separate partition then a reinstall is trivial to do without losing data. |
| 20:16.15 | lectures4ever | themill: tell me how please ! |
| 20:16.23 | lectures4ever | themill: i'll owe anything :_) |
| 20:16.26 | inaety | RockerMONO: i remember hahaha |
| 20:16.26 | dazjorz | lectures4ever: themill: not really, he can mount it before installation |
| 20:16.44 | dazjorz | lectures4ever: themill: he mounts the /home partition at /target/home and just installs, no problem |
| 20:17.05 | lectures4ever | dazjorz, how do I do that? |
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| 20:17.19 | lectures4ever | but i only get a menu at the beginning |
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| 20:17.23 | lectures4ever | no command line prompt |
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| 20:17.38 | lectures4ever | how do i boot into the command line prompt? you mean tty1 ? |
| 20:17.45 | kanzure | pickcoder: maybe I should run dhcpcd ? |
| 20:17.49 | kanzure | or something close to that |
| 20:17.54 | test | why do you need shadow entry in /etc/nsswitch ? |
| 20:17.56 | pickcoder | kanzure: and you used the fwcutter to extract the firmware into /lib/firmware/`uname -r`? |
| 20:18.00 | test | nsswitch.conf |
| 20:18.04 | kanzure | pickcoder: No? |
| 20:18.07 | kanzure | pickcoder: How do I do that? |
| 20:18.14 | kanzure | I thought I should just apt-get install the fwcutter package |
| 20:18.21 | kanzure | (well, not fwcutter, but the one that I need) |
| 20:18.22 | pickcoder | you need the windows driver |
| 20:18.31 | pickcoder | bcmwl5.sys |
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| 20:18.51 | inaety | kanzure: what did you say the card was? |
| 20:18.53 | kanzure | pickcoder: let's say that I have it, then what do I do? |
| 20:19.04 | kanzure | inaety: BCM4306 |
| 20:19.19 | inaety | kanzure: don't use fwcutter use the ndiswrapper |
| 20:19.26 | kanzure | inaety: what do you mean |
| 20:19.28 | inaety | you have to blacklist the fwcutter so it doesn't load |
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| 20:19.32 | pickcoder | inaety: 4306 is supported by bcm43xx |
| 20:19.34 | inaety | and then use the ndiswrapper |
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| 20:19.48 | inaety | pickcoder: yeah i know but it's terrible i have a bcm4311 |
| 20:19.49 | kanzure | I do not understand what 'and then use the ndiswrapper' means |
| 20:19.56 | dazjorz | lectures4ever: press ctrl+alt+F2 to go to a terminal |
| 20:20.07 | pickcoder | inaety: you have used a 4306 with bcm43xx? |
| 20:20.07 | kanzure | is there some magic that I am neglecting ? |
| 20:20.10 | dazjorz | lectures4ever: then ctrl+alt+F1 to go back |
| 20:20.22 | dazjorz | bcm is absolutely terrible |
| 20:20.23 | dazjorz | I had one |
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| 20:20.26 | kanzure | pickcoder: Tell me more about fwcutter and what I should have done with it |
| 20:20.26 | inaety | kanzure: you blacklist the fwcutter so debian doesn't load it...then you install the drivers using ndiswrapper, have tem loaded and then you can dhcpcd that |
| 20:20.27 | h3sp4wn | kanzure: yep the documentation you didn't read properly |
| 20:20.31 | dazjorz | I was lucky to be able to sell it and buy a decent wireless card |
| 20:20.38 | inaety | pickcoder: it's a bad idea to use the native drivers |
| 20:20.41 | themill | dazjorz: I'm not sure what you're saying.... if /home is on a separate partition then you can just use the partitioning setup to point /home at it again and tell the installer not to format. if /home is on / then you have some more work to do. |
| 20:20.42 | h3sp4wn | dazjorz: its ok with the mac80211 version |
| 20:20.53 | pickcoder | inaety: not if you want better chip feature support |
| 20:21.13 | inaety | pickcoder: in the future, yes, but now the drivers are really underdeveloped |
| 20:21.31 | dazjorz | themill: Hmm, yes, possible - but if /home is on /, you don't need to do anything |
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| 20:21.34 | dazjorz | oh, wait |
| 20:21.35 | kanzure | so how would I use ndiswrapper, inaety? I'm just trying to get something to work =) |
| 20:21.40 | dazjorz | he wants to install on the disk /home is on ? |
| 20:21.57 | pickcoder | kanzure: don't use the debian package, for one thing. it's way too old. |
| 20:22.03 | inaety | kanzure: there is a ubuntu doc on it that holds your hand really well... |
| 20:22.03 | lectures4ever | dazjorz: yes |
| 20:22.10 | kanzure | inaety: ah, okay |
| 20:22.16 | dazjorz | in maintenance: cd /; mkdir home; mv * .* home; - then install |
| 20:22.16 | inaety | kanzure: lemme find it |
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| 20:22.30 | Piggy | spider-pig, spider-pig, does what a spider-pig does. spider-pig, spider-pig, keeps your logs. |
| 20:22.38 | themill | dazjorz: the installer complains if there is anything on / when it starts doesn't it? |
| 20:22.39 | lectures4ever | dazjorz, themill , I have /home on its own lvm partition on the same disk where i want to reinstall Etch instead of Sid |
| 20:22.41 | kanzure | inaety: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper ? |
| 20:22.45 | pickcoder | the ndiwrapper-utils-1.9 is current |
| 20:22.54 | inaety | kanzure: no |
| 20:23.01 | lectures4ever | dazjorz, themill does this help ? |
| 20:23.08 | Raphaelo | is there a working apache mysql-authentication module for debian etch? |
| 20:23.15 | kanzure | inaety: There's something better? |
| 20:23.16 | Raphaelo | it looks like the mod_dbd is broken, too |
| 20:23.21 | inaety | kanzure: you may have to adjust it a bit but it shouldn't be too much different https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/Broadcom_BCM4311_rev_01_(ndiswrapper)?highlight=%284311%29 |
| 20:23.21 | themill | lectures4ever: yes, I believe so. Although I've never done a reinstall on lvm.... |
| 20:23.26 | abrotman | Piggy!! |
| 20:23.27 | inaety | kanzure: it uses the bcmwl5? |
| 20:23.33 | lectures4ever | actually i'd like to reinstall Etch instead of the sid which I stupidly upgraded to , and leave intact several lvm partitions |
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| 20:23.58 | kanzure | inaety: What uses bcmwl5? |
| 20:24.05 | lectures4ever | my qualms is also about moving from Etch to Sid , how crazy is that ? |
| 20:24.14 | lectures4ever | errr, the other way around |
| 20:24.16 | thorman | kanzure: what does your name mean? |
| 20:24.18 | lectures4ever | from Sid to Etch |
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| 20:24.33 | h3sp4wn | lectures4ever: No one will support you in here to do that |
| 20:24.36 | h3sp4wn | !downgrade |
| 20:24.37 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 20:24.37 | inaety | kanzure: the 4306? weren't you talking about it earlier...basically what ndiswrapper does is take the windows driver (our case: bcmwl5.inf) and make a "wrapper" for it and allow the use on linux |
| 20:24.42 | kanzure | thorman: Nothing really. I just use it as a specialized token ... http://google.com/search?q=kanzure is all me. |
| 20:25.06 | doudou | hi i want to reinstall iceweasel but get this error :Err http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main iceweasel 2.0.0.5-0etch1 |
| 20:25.06 | doudou | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.07 | kanzure | inaety: Ah, then I suppose it does use bcmwl5.inf (I thought it was .sys?) |
| 20:25.11 | simonrvn | lectures4ever: it's difficult to do all at once |
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| 20:25.15 | dkr | kanzure: it won't be all you now that you made that claim, though. :) |
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| 20:25.31 | lectures4ever | simonrvn: i'm all open to any ideas, in any number of steps :) |
| 20:25.33 | kanzure | dkr: Malacious demons, back, back! |
| 20:25.37 | kanzure | :) |
| 20:25.40 | themill | doudou: that version will have been replaced. /msg dpkg snapshot |
| 20:25.45 | inaety | kanzure: no but have that in the directory...ndiswrapper uses inf's, IIRC it needs like all the sys and junk with it though |
| 20:25.52 | lectures4ever | h3sp4wn, as a matter of policy ? |
| 20:25.53 | Raphaelo | is lenny often here? |
| 20:25.58 | kanzure | inaety: woah, what directory ?? |
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| 20:26.19 | simonrvn | lectures4ever: most people do it the slow way, wait for the stuff to catch up |
| 20:26.22 | inaety | kanzure: you will download the drivers for your card and extract them...like i said ubuntu holds you hand |
| 20:26.31 | lectures4ever | simonrvn: ah. heh |
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| 20:26.45 | lectures4ever | but meanwhile iceweasel freezes and crashes the system and httpd times out |
| 20:26.52 | lectures4ever | i';ve got to do something |
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| 20:27.21 | inaety | kanzure: wait...follow tihs guide |
| 20:27.26 | inaety | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=201902&highlight=Broadcom+4306+With+Ndiswrapper+54+Mbps |
| 20:27.27 | kanzure | inaety: Alright. And, just so I know, does Ubuntu use a different system structure than Debian? I mean, if they tell me to go to /etc/networks/something, will it hold for me as well? |
| 20:27.29 | doudou | themill, so how do i do? my wife is waiting because i remove iceweasel and i am not able to reinstall it, what mean snapshot |
| 20:27.30 | simonrvn | i managed to downgrade to etch really fast.... a lot of staying calm and catching the sarge->etch migration "wave" |
| 20:27.47 | pickcoder | kanzure: aptitude install ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 |
| 20:27.54 | inaety | kanzure: it should because it'scompletely based off debian...maybe some sutff are off but you should be okay |
| 20:27.54 | kanzure | pickcoder: yeah, I've done that |
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| 20:28.00 | pickcoder | you don't want 1.28 from Etch |
| 20:28.02 | kanzure | inaety: great, thank you |
| 20:28.03 | pickcoder | for the source |
| 20:28.08 | pickcoder | it's more than 20 release old |
| 20:28.23 | inaety | kanzure: oh make sure you have every ndiswrapper uninstalled from your apt-get's... |
| 20:28.26 | pickcoder | you have 2 options.. a simple sid backport to get 1.47 or download the source |
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| 20:28.29 | h3sp4wn | lectures4ever: You can do it package by package - but its labourious |
| 20:28.58 | simonrvn | very much so - an unsupported. you get to keep the pieces |
| 20:29.01 | simonrvn | and* |
| 20:29.06 | h3sp4wn | lectures4ever: dealing with resetting all the config files - takes too long - |
| 20:29.21 | pickcoder | I recommend downloading the source to get the latest and greatest. ndiswrapper is done with updates for the most part now |
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| 20:29.37 | Raphaelo | !seen |
| 20:29.37 | kanzure | inaety: Huh? Uninstall ndiswrapper? I thought I needed it. |
| 20:29.47 | pickcoder | atleast giri said he doesn't plan on major changes anytime soon |
| 20:29.55 | Raphaelo | !seen lenny |
| 20:30.01 | dpkg | lenny <lenny@freedom.biteme.ms> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 72d 4h 34m 55s ago, saying: 'su ck ing'. |
| 20:30.05 | doudou | themill, i cant go to see snapshot.debian.net because i remove iceweasel and i am not able to reinstall it, seems important than married people get answers first |
| 20:30.12 | inaety | kanzure: the debian ndiswrapper are too out dated |
| 20:30.20 | pickcoder | kanzure: you don't want ndiswrapper-source to be installed as a package |
| 20:30.24 | inaety | kanzure: apt-get remove ndiswrapper ndiswrapper-utils etcetc |
| 20:30.30 | pickcoder | *sigh* |
| 20:30.33 | kanzure | inaety: what about ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 ? |
| 20:30.41 | themill | doudou: do you not have nautilis, links, lynx or konqi installed? |
| 20:30.43 | kanzure | because pickcoder was telling me to install that |
| 20:30.46 | kanzure | so now I am quite confused :) |
| 20:30.49 | inaety | kanzure: have it completely uninstalled |
| 20:30.51 | simonrvn | gack context switcher crashed on doudou's comment on iceweasel and married people |
| 20:30.52 | kanzure | alright |
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| 20:31.03 | inaety | kanzure: everything having to deal with ndiswrapper gone because you iwll compile it from source |
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| 20:31.52 | themill | doudou: you can add this to your sources.list, update, and then install the specific version with the =version syntax to aptitude. deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool iceweasel |
| 20:32.16 | nelf | Still no luck getting java plugin to work on iceweasel after using make-jpkg with suns jre 1.5 :( |
| 20:32.24 | nelf | with amd64 |
| 20:32.27 | Raphaelo | no ideas on the working mysql-authentication apache-module for etch? :/ |
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| 20:33.31 | stew | doudou: why do you want an old version of iceweasel? |
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| 20:33.54 | stew | Raphaelo: what do you mean? what kind of ideas are you looking for? |
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| 20:34.22 | Raphaelo | stew: the mod-auth-mysql package that lenny had given to jMCg |
| 20:34.25 | Raphaelo | og |
| 20:34.33 | Raphaelo | crap |
| 20:34.48 | Raphaelo | well, anyways :> he had a working mod-auth-mysql for etch |
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| 20:35.26 | stew | Raphaelo: there isn't one for lenny. it was not able to be included in etch becuase the license made it illegal to distribute |
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| 20:35.44 | Raphaelo | i know |
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| 20:35.56 | Raphaelo | and mod_dbd is not really working great on default on etch |
| 20:35.58 | Raphaelo | either |
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| 20:36.19 | chrisjw | #python |
| 20:36.21 | chrisjw | oopd |
| 20:36.23 | chrisjw | oops |
| 20:36.25 | simonrvn | :) |
| 20:36.27 | chrisjw | hmm |
| 20:36.30 | jzxu | what's the easiest way to block an arbitrary port from an ip range? |
| 20:36.30 | chrisjw | sorry i meant to type /join |
| 20:36.30 | stew | Raphaelo: oh wait, this? http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/libapache2-mod-auth-mysql |
| 20:36.38 | simonrvn | chrisjw: we know ;) |
| 20:36.43 | simonrvn | tc |
| 20:36.58 | chrisjw | simon are you from australia |
| 20:36.58 | Raphaelo | i think i have that |
| 20:37.02 | simonrvn | no |
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| 20:37.26 | nelf | awwww.. my girlfriend is laughing at me coz I can't get java iceweasel plugin running on my em64t etch :(h |
| 20:38.11 | pickcoder | jzxu: eh? you want to block incoming access to a port, for a specific IP range? |
| 20:38.12 | jzxu | pickcoder: yeah, that's right |
| 20:38.12 | pickcoder | can the range be specified in a netmask? |
| 20:38.12 | jzxu | pickcoder: I tried using hosts.deny but it doesn't seem work |
| 20:38.13 | stew | Raphaelo: if that is the package you are after you could probably backport it easily, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 20:38.27 | simonrvn | jzxu: only if it has tcpwrappers support |
| 20:38.34 | spx2 | hi , i lost my debian install cd |
| 20:38.39 | spx2 | and now when i want to install kde |
| 20:38.41 | spx2 | it asks for it |
| 20:38.45 | spx2 | but i dont have it anymore |
| 20:38.47 | spx2 | what can i do ?!?!? |
| 20:38.57 | stew | spx2: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 20:39.00 | simonrvn | comment out the cd source in sources.list |
| 20:39.13 | themill | spx2: first... use punctuation not the enter key, second remove the cd from your sources.list and then aptitude update |
| 20:39.18 | jzxu | pickcoder: well I basically want to specify all IPs except local ones |
| 20:39.39 | spx2 | themill: THANK YOU !!! |
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| 20:40.22 | simonrvn | jzxu: you'll have to set up a set of rules for that, not just one |
| 20:40.22 | simonrvn | man iptables; lartc.org; netfilter.org |
| 20:40.25 | Raphaelo | stew: have you heard anyone using the mod_dbd and mod_authn_dbd with etch? |
| 20:40.46 | inaety | for some reason after installing my recommended printer driver and such on localhost:631 when i try to print a test page or any page for that matter, it tells me that it cannot connect and will retry in 30 seconds |
| 20:40.56 | jzxu | simonrvn: damn, I was hoping for something easier |
| 20:41.00 | jzxu | oh well |
| 20:41.05 | pickcoder | iptables -A INPUT -s !192.168.0.0/24 -dport 80 -j DROP |
| 20:41.16 | Raphaelo | pickcoder? |
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| 20:41.34 | RockerMONO | it don workkk :( |
| 20:41.42 | inaety | RockerMONO: !? |
| 20:41.45 | jzxu | pickcoder: thanks |
| 20:41.56 | RockerMONO | inaety: only the boot floppy and root floppy were usable |
| 20:42.01 | Raphaelo | whose ip is that |
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| 20:42.03 | Raphaelo | hacker? |
| 20:42.06 | RockerMONO | inaety: and theirs NO INSTALL OPTION IN LOW MEMORY MODE! :( |
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| 20:42.20 | pickcoder | I think that'll work.. <g> |
| 20:42.22 | inaety | RockerMONO: no, why are you on a livecd? install text based |
| 20:42.29 | pickcoder | never tried banning an exception INPUT |
| 20:42.31 | RockerMONO | inaety: i'm using the netinstall floppies |
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| 20:42.34 | doudou | Thanks I dont know what happen then it installed |
| 20:42.34 | spx2 | i can't recognise anything in aptitude.with apt-get install i just did apt-get install.but in aptitude all the things have weird names and i can't figgure wich to pick . what should i do ? |
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| 20:42.52 | inaety | RockerMONO: so you got the floppy drive to work but now it won't install? |
| 20:43.03 | stew | Raphaelo: no, i've never heard of them |
| 20:43.13 | RockerMONO | inaety: i was talking about the floppy drive on this computer, not the one i'm installing Debian on |
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| 20:43.47 | inaety | RockerMONO: oh got 'em mixed up...hmm why not take the floppy out of that computer and put in the one you're on and have a super computer? :P |
| 20:44.06 | kanzur2 | inaety: Yeah, that really did hold my hand all the way. But it worked. :) |
| 20:44.08 | Raphaelo | stew: it's sad because basicly etch doesn't have an easily working(with defaults) apache-module that can authenticate via mysql. |
| 20:44.08 | stew | spx2: what do you mean? if you use to run "apt-get install foo" you can just run "aptitude install foo" instead |
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| 20:44.18 | inaety | kanzur2: good to hear |
| 20:44.22 | stew | Raphaelo: so use the one from unstable |
| 20:44.28 | stew | Raphaelo: /msg dpkg simple sid backports |
| 20:44.39 | spx2 | stew: i mean when i get into aptitude i do "/" to search for kde for example ok ? |
| 20:44.42 | pickcoder | jzxu: oh.. btw.. don't forget to replace 192.168.0.0/24 and 80 with respective LAN netmask and destination port |
| 20:44.48 | abrotman | stew: you're the new back up for varitek! |
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| 20:45.03 | spx2 | stew: a thousand packages starting with "kde" then appear.how the hell am i supposed to know wich one to pick ? |
| 20:45.09 | jean_ | where are the docs for libtrash?? |
| 20:45.10 | RockerMONO | inaety: erm? super computer?... i'd need more RAM... a lottt tmore |
| 20:45.14 | RockerMONO | *more |
| 20:45.23 | abrotman | jean_: /usr/share/doc/libtrash/ ? |
| 20:45.28 | Raphaelo | unstable makes my heart do flips |
| 20:45.30 | abrotman | man pages perhaps ? |
| 20:45.33 | inaety | RockerMONO: i only have a 3/4 of a gig |
| 20:45.34 | stew | spx2: pick the one named "kde" if you want to install all of kde. or quit from that and just type "aptitude install kde" from the command line |
| 20:45.42 | RockerMONO | inaety: this one only has 128MB |
| 20:45.55 | jzxu | pickcoder: yeah, I got it, thanks |
| 20:46.02 | spx2 | stew: are you sure ? |
| 20:46.03 | doudou | themill, thanks, but seems i should install upgrade or i dont know? what should i read? I vi /etc/apt/source.list and put what you told me and it fished to work |
| 20:46.04 | RockerMONO | inaety: the computer i'm trying to install debian on has 614KB RAM and 3GB hdd :) |
| 20:46.07 | inaety | RockerMONO: invest into some ram, get job like me ^_^ |
| 20:46.08 | stew | spx2: yes |
| 20:46.28 | spx2 | spx2: also i wonder why konsole or any other kde-based software works in gnome also .. |
| 20:46.30 | inaety | RockerMONO: just no point... |
| 20:46.35 | RockerMONO | ? |
| 20:46.47 | inaety | RockerMONO: are you gonna use that computer? |
| 20:46.55 | h3sp4wn | no way with 614k of ram to run debian |
| 20:46.55 | RockerMONO | inaety: what do you propose i take to my room then? cuz i have 3 computers: |
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| 20:47.01 | inaety | RockerMONO: just a server? |
| 20:47.07 | pickcoder | RockerMONO: I run Debian on a 500Mhz with 384MB |
| 20:47.14 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: that's one module! |
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| 20:47.22 | kobach | floppy |
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| 20:47.27 | abrotman | !bf |
| 20:47.27 | dpkg | well, etch floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want lenny/testing change "etch" to "lenny". |
| 20:47.30 | kobach | floppy |
| 20:47.38 | xand | floppy to you too |
| 20:47.43 | kobach | floppypond |
| 20:47.44 | stew | kobach: do you have a debian related question? |
| 20:47.51 | kobach | im asking floppy |
| 20:47.51 | RockerMONO | inaety: no that one is gonna be the one in my room, this one is my server & the other one i have is used by my granddad so i cant move that or this one to my room considering i dont have any wireless cards |
| 20:47.52 | xand | maybe he wants viagra |
| 20:48.07 | kobach | debian is kick ass though, second only to slackware |
| 20:48.13 | stew | kobach: do you have a question? |
| 20:48.28 | kobach | no i dont |
| 20:48.29 | kobach | do you? |
| 20:48.34 | stew | kobach: please keep quiet then |
| 20:48.37 | kobach | kk |
| 20:48.41 | inaety | RockerMONO: why not make the one you are on your regular use one and make the 3g hdd one your server |
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| 20:49.08 | kobach | FLOPPYPOND IS A CANADIAN |
| 20:49.17 | xand | riiiiight |
| 20:49.19 | inaety | how mature... |
| 20:49.24 | floppypond | :/ |
| 20:49.29 | pickcoder | it can't be sunday already |
| 20:49.29 | RockerMONO | inaety: erm... because it has no working operating system? the 1gig drive was the boot drive =\ |
| 20:49.30 | floppypond | how odd |
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| 20:49.37 | chlue | ok I give up trying to get samba working. Is it enough to just rename the samba script in /etc/init.d to something like samba.bak to disable everything? |
| 20:49.52 | nas | i just installed debian etch from netinstall disc |
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| 20:50.02 | nas | i told itto write grub to mbr |
| 20:50.04 | h3sp4wn | chlue: use update-rc.d |
| 20:50.07 | nas | now when it boots i get |
| 20:50.12 | inaety | RockerMONO: hmmm lame |
| 20:50.13 | nas | there was an error loading the os |
| 20:50.18 | DawnLight | chlue: i can see that making problems |
| 20:50.21 | nas | i dont even see the grub window |
| 20:50.30 | DawnLight | nas: congrats! |
| 20:50.33 | pickcoder | MBR is fubar |
| 20:50.36 | h3sp4wn | chlue: update-rc.d -f samba remove |
| 20:50.38 | RockerMONO | inaety: yea, and the fact taht that thing spazzed out so much could explain why win95 only booted every 2 or 3 tries |
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| 20:50.42 | DawnLight | oh oops |
| 20:51.05 | nas | anyway to fix it? |
| 20:51.13 | inaety | RockerMONO: well i doubt it was the hardware's fault |
| 20:51.21 | DawnLight | nas: what did you do wrong? |
| 20:51.35 | pickcoder | nas: did you interrupt the installer at any point? |
| 20:51.41 | nas | if there was a way to boot the deb os i just installed with the install disc |
| 20:51.50 | RockerMONO | inaety: the boot drive would barely hold data at all, and it dropped it liek a lead weight |
| 20:51.53 | nas | i might be able to install lilo |
| 20:52.04 | nas | no i did not interupt at any point |
| 20:52.14 | chlue | h3sp4wn: but when I do that, I will lose the startscript? In that case I can remove the whole package. |
| 20:52.17 | DawnLight | nas: perhaps you didn't install grub |
| 20:52.20 | pickcoder | you installed on the first primary drive? |
| 20:52.21 | inaety | RockerMONO: so why are you trying to restore it? or is that the broken hdd you gave me last night? |
| 20:52.29 | pickcoder | hda or sda for example |
| 20:52.31 | RockerMONO | inaety: that's the broken one i gave you last night :D |
| 20:52.37 | nas | deb is installed on second primary |
| 20:52.41 | RockerMONO | inaety: it had a second hard drive, the 1GB was only for booting |
| 20:52.42 | nas | is that bad? |
| 20:52.55 | h3sp4wn | chlue: You could just remove the package - all that would do is remove the symlinks from /etc/rc?.d |
| 20:53.02 | pickcoder | not if you told grub to be installed in the MBR on the boot drive |
| 20:53.15 | nas | the deb installer didnt really ask me |
| 20:53.16 | RockerMONO | inaety: **has |
| 20:53.27 | inaety | RockerMONO: so create an ext2 /boot with about 16 megs and 2 meg swap and the rest be your root partition |
| 20:53.28 | nas | it just said you want to install to mbr i said yes and that was it |
| 20:53.33 | pickcoder | oh ok |
| 20:53.42 | pickcoder | what's on drive 0? |
| 20:53.58 | nas | on the first primary partition i have winxp there |
| 20:54.04 | RockerMONO | inaety: so it gives me a list of loading drivers and such but nothing about actually installing it.... |
| 20:54.22 | pickcoder | and grub didn't ask you about Windows? |
| 20:54.29 | nas | o8h |
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| 20:54.38 | inaety | RockerMONO: you got the disc to boot? |
| 20:54.41 | andyp_ | hi |
| 20:54.41 | nas | it did say something like detected windows |
| 20:54.51 | RockerMONO | inaety: erm? no the disc that actually boots is gone haha |
| 20:54.51 | inaety | RockerMONO: have the netinstall boot normally |
| 20:54.54 | nas | it should be ok to write to mbr if these are all your os's |
| 20:55.02 | inaety | \haha |
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| 20:55.26 | nas | any way to get it to boot deb with the install disc? |
| 20:55.52 | nas | i have a grub floppy but the new mahchine i got cant boot floppies |
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| 20:56.03 | RockerMONO | nas: rescue mode? :) |
| 20:56.04 | nas | luckily i still got my old machine which im tlaking to you on now |
| 20:56.17 | nas | i try rescue mode and the keyboard stops working |
| 20:56.24 | zinx | nas: debian will boot off the CD if your computer is anywhere near recent |
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| 20:56.52 | nas | zinx, ya its the floppies that wont boot on this new machine |
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| 20:57.29 | nas | zinx, i wondering if there is a way to use the install disc like a boot loader to boot the os |
| 20:57.41 | zinx | nas: sure, just give it the correct parameters |
| 20:57.52 | andyp_ | trying to get audio to work in kernel 2.621-2.686 checked infomod soundcore the last line means what? vermagic : 2.6.21-2.686 SMP mod_unload 686? |
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| 20:57.58 | zinx | what's grub saying though? generally it should boot up |
| 20:58.05 | spheard | How do I record audio? |
| 20:58.08 | RockerMONO | inaety: i put in the boot floppy, then root floppy, then none of the driver floppies work, then it gives no option for installation |
| 20:58.11 | nas | it just says error loading os |
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| 20:58.20 | nas | i dont even see grub |
| 20:58.20 | zinx | can you give the exact error? |
| 20:58.22 | pickcoder | zinx: the MBR is not being found by BIOS |
| 20:58.24 | zinx | oh |
| 20:58.25 | nas | i see the bios |
| 20:58.36 | inaety | RockerMONO: idk, i don't use floppies... |
| 20:58.37 | nas | than i see "there was an error loading the operating system" |
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| 20:58.51 | pickcoder | nas: are you sure your boot sequence is setup correctly in BIOS? |
| 20:59.07 | pickcoder | and it's not trying to boot another drive |
| 20:59.14 | nas | its set to boot cds than hardrives |
| 20:59.17 | nas | and the cd is out |
| 20:59.33 | su-hoens | anyone here used mdadm? |
| 20:59.59 | xand | !anyone |
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| 20:59.59 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 21:00.08 | pickcoder | burn a live CD like Knoppix, boot it, unmount your / partition, remount it RW, and then chroot it. |
| 21:00.30 | pickcoder | then you can use the grub tools on your install |
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| 21:00.51 | paxcoder | hello. one straight to the face. free or open? you know what i'm talking about. the ones who don't don't need to answer. i want to talk to someone who taught about this. |
| 21:01.26 | paxcoder | pickcoder, sorry for the intrusion |
| 21:01.29 | pickcoder | paxcoder: this isn't a political chat room |
| 21:01.45 | paxcoder | i know. doesen't deal with knoppix either |
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| 21:01.53 | stew | paxcoder: do you have a debian related question? |
| 21:01.56 | RockerMONO | inaety: well... that's why i was asking if i could make a floppy to tell it to boot the CD |
| 21:01.57 | paxcoder | still here are ppl who are able to answer |
| 21:02.02 | zinx | nas: with some newer bioses you can change the hard drive boot order as well |
| 21:02.12 | clarity__ | in the install if i setup an encrypted partition can i use that as a boot partition? |
| 21:02.15 | h3sp4wn | paxcoder: still offtopic here |
| 21:02.17 | stew | paxcoder: what exactly is the question? |
| 21:02.20 | zinx | nas: many let you hit "escape" during booting to choose the boot device |
| 21:02.31 | paxcoder | stew: debian is based on straight FREE philosophy. why not just open? |
| 21:02.34 | nas | unfortuanatley this one just says hardrives |
| 21:02.41 | paxcoder | if i must wrap it in a debian question |
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| 21:02.59 | zinx | !tell paxcoder about dfsg |
| 21:03.06 | paxcoder | they did |
| 21:03.09 | paxcoder | i rephrased |
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| 21:03.26 | zinx | paxcoder: this channel is for debian support, not for political discussion |
| 21:03.54 | paxcoder | zinx: it's not a political issue, man. it is one of the main principles of debian itself! |
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| 21:04.03 | zinx | paxcoder: the DFSG should explain everything |
| 21:04.07 | paxcoder | (ask ian) |
| 21:04.07 | clarity__ | there's the "Ext3" option and "physical volume for encryption" |
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| 21:04.13 | paxcoder | hehe |
| 21:04.20 | zinx | paxcoder: and it is political. it doesn't matter that it's about debian or not, really. |
| 21:04.21 | clarity__ | well more than that but those are the two i'm interested in |
| 21:04.38 | zinx | paxcoder: this is not the official debian channel, for what it's worth. that can be found on irc.debian.org. |
| 21:04.41 | RockerMONO | is their ANY WAY to use a floppy to tell the computer to boot from a CD [it doesn't support booting from CD] |
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| 21:04.51 | stew | paxcoder: you'd have to ask the founders why they founded it on the principals it was founded on then, and this is out of the bounds of the topic of this channel, there is nobody here that could possibly answer that question |
| 21:04.56 | paxcoder | zinx: "it doesn't matter that it's about debian or not, really" it does, since you try to ignor me based on that |
| 21:04.58 | stew | zinx: there is no official debian irc channel |
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| 21:05.06 | pickcoder | RockerMONO: not without some fancy DOS work |
| 21:05.10 | stew | paxcoder: the topic does matter |
| 21:05.14 | RockerMONO | pickcoder: damn... |
| 21:05.14 | zinx | stew: well, the one on irc.debian.org is more official than here at least :P |
| 21:05.16 | paxcoder | zinx: debian is still free |
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| 21:05.23 | stew | zinx: no, it isn't |
| 21:05.24 | pickcoder | or a funky custom installer |
| 21:05.26 | paxcoder | stew: thanks |
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| 21:05.32 | zinx | stew: it's on irc.debian.org! |
| 21:05.44 | xand | zinx: so was this one, and it came first :P |
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| 21:05.57 | pickcoder | it's on oftc AFAIK |
| 21:05.57 | zinx | xand: it moved. except we didn't. |
| 21:05.58 | paxcoder | come on, stop being a jerk |
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| 21:06.06 | zinx | pickcoder: irc.debian.org points to oftc :) |
| 21:06.07 | xand | zinx: channel didn't move |
| 21:06.21 | pickcoder | what's in a domain.... |
| 21:06.23 | pickcoder | heh |
| 21:06.46 | paxcoder | zinx: go to www.debian.org, read the first line. |
| 21:07.05 | rogue- | Hello. I have an ASUS WL-500g Premium wireless router, I'm trying to get my Dell Inspiron 6400 laptop to play with it. I'm using the Etch install CD, "expertgui" method. The CD seems to have detected all network interfaces, including: Broadcom Corp. Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card. |
| 21:07.07 | paxcoder | what IS DEBIAN |
| 21:07.10 | zinx | paxcoder: i don't know how many times you need to be told, but this is channel is for technical support, not political discussion. |
| 21:07.22 | paxcoder | doesen't say support |
| 21:07.25 | paxcoder | says debian |
| 21:07.30 | paxcoder | DEBIAN |
| 21:07.34 | RockerMONO | paxcoder: if you dont know what debian is why are you spamming the channel with crap that HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DEBIAN? |
| 21:07.34 | rogue- | However, it can't find any wireless networks. Also it's asking me for WEP keys, when in fact I don't use WEP, but rather WPA |
| 21:07.38 | zinx | paxcoder: none-the-less, the channel is for technical support. |
| 21:07.39 | paxcoder | as in debian is a free OS |
| 21:07.44 | stew | paxcoder: i'm telling you that the topic is support, you can stick to the topic, or you can be silenced |
| 21:07.51 | zinx | paxcoder: you're going to be banned if you continue to be off-topic |
| 21:07.58 | zinx | or silenced, whatever |
| 21:08.34 | paxcoder | ok, fine ppl like you probably wouldn't KNOW the answer. Guess it's easier to ignore. |
| 21:08.37 | paxcoder | thanks |
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| 21:09.44 | zinx | nas: did you try hitting escape a few times while the BIOS was posting? if so, did it bring up a menu for you to boot from? |
| 21:09.59 | RockerMONO | nas: you have to *repetatively* hit escape ;) |
| 21:10.11 | RockerMONO | nas: sometimes it's F12 |
| 21:10.29 | FalscherHase | hi. my connection is over a pptp-vpn over wlan. i experience a bit of packet loss in the wlan and the pptp-tunnel is torn down when echo-reply packages get lost. it seems that my client is the one to end the connection. is there a way to make the tunnel more robust to package loss? |
| 21:10.30 | zinx | Rocker: you only need to hit it once, really, for the boot menu - the problem is you have to hit it at the right spot :) |
| 21:10.50 | RockerMONO | zinx: that's why you just hit it over and over :) |
| 21:10.54 | zinx | the escape for boot menu thing is a feature of newer BIOSes, so if it's too old it may not have it |
| 21:11.15 | RockerMONO | oh well with most computers i've worked with it's F12 =p |
| 21:11.30 | zinx | RockerMONO: for the boot menu, or for the BIOS configuration? |
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| 21:12.00 | zinx | BIOS configuration is put on all sorts of crazy keys, and sometimes key combinations |
| 21:12.01 | RockerMONO | zinx: some of them give me BIOS on F12, but some give me boot on F12 and BIOS on F11 |
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| 21:12.48 | zinx | the Award BIOSes i've worked with have escape for boot, from Abit ASUS and i believe Gigabyte though i'm not sure on the last |
| 21:13.23 | zinx | people like Dell/Gateway/Compaq love to mess around with the keys so you have to hunt for every single model they have to figure out the keys |
| 21:13.36 | RockerMONO | zinx: yea, i use dells most =p |
| 21:13.41 | RockerMONO | zinx: just cuz that's what people give me alot haha |
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| 21:14.38 | mavhc | and toshiba laptop needs escape if you have a password set, geniuses |
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| 21:16.27 | helo | will email make it to most mailboxes if the mx record isn't setup for its domain name? |
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| 21:17.03 | antgel | how the fuck do i decide between like 25 floss cmfs without trying them all |
| 21:17.17 | RockerMONO | antgel: say fuck it and make your own? :) |
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| 21:17.55 | frejolito | hi people ! |
| 21:18.01 | antgel | they are so complex, and i could get so far with one before i realise why it's good or shit |
| 21:18.11 | pickcoder | helo: as long as the domain resolves to an IP delivery should be attempted |
| 21:18.18 | RockerMONO | antgel: what exactly you tryin to make?... |
| 21:18.23 | pickcoder | it's proper to have an MX record for the mail domain, though |
| 21:18.28 | RockerMONO | antgel: erm.. chose |
| 21:18.29 | simonrvn | antgel: most suck arse; only ones i've liked were zope, drupal, and some other one |
| 21:18.42 | stew | antgel: you should first pick from the 200 wikis, and install a wiki so you have a place to record notes about which cms you might install |
| 21:18.53 | simonrvn | stew: hehehe |
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| 21:19.25 | inaety | how can i have the most updated libc6? |
| 21:19.40 | simonrvn | some of the smaller ones - both cms and wiki - should join forces and combine efforts |
| 21:19.44 | tarzeau | inaety: got sid? build it yourself? |
| 21:19.49 | antgel | simonrvn: i'm a plone man myself, but this project is so lightweight, i was going to look for something lighter. i think my time spent looking may be counter-productive. was going to look at drupal, joomla, typo3 the usual suspects i guess |
| 21:20.08 | inaety | tarzeau: i have some older version and i have the deb for it...but it's not going and i cant uninstall because it would be bad |
| 21:20.08 | antgel | stew: don't joke. i use twiki, probably knowing about 5% of its capabilities |
| 21:20.11 | spheard | orkaudio: error while loading shared libraries: libACE.so.5.4.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 21:20.21 | simonrvn | joomla has security issues too often for my taste :/ |
| 21:20.25 | berzerka | i want to see the output of a device file interactively, but in binary as hex characters and not binary as ascii. is there a tool for, and is it generally possible to do something like "cat /dev/midi0 | bin2hex"? |
| 21:20.30 | tarzeau | inaety: but do you have debian? sid? |
| 21:20.36 | inaety | tarzeau: etch |
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| 21:20.40 | antgel | simonrvn: your "most suck arse" comment is more informative than you probably realise |
| 21:20.40 | simonrvn | antgel: twiki and mediawiki are my faves |
| 21:20.48 | tarzeau | inaety: and why do you want a newer libc6? |
| 21:20.54 | pickcoder | antgel: what do you want to do with the CMS? |
| 21:20.57 | inaety | tarzeau: i need the newest libmtp |
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| 21:21.05 | simonrvn | antgel: seeing as that i've tried many of them, it's an informed one ;) |
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| 21:21.12 | stew | isn't twiki one that was thrown out of etch for being unsupportable security-wise? |
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| 21:21.21 | tarzeau | inaety: like 0.1.5 ? |
| 21:21.25 | simonrvn | no it is in etch |
| 21:21.26 | antgel | simonrvn: i'm grateful for the time you spent, seriously |
| 21:21.38 | antgel | stew: i raised a bug to get it back in, it's pretty tidy now |
| 21:21.38 | simonrvn | np :) |
| 21:22.06 | inaety | tarzeau: 0.2.1 |
| 21:22.22 | simonrvn | oh it is out? damn :/. they've spent a lot of effort getting it secure; thy have a list you can sub to also to get security updates |
| 21:22.49 | antgel | pickcoder: it's a simple, small corporate site. doesn't even need to be a cms, but i can't remember life before cmss :D |
| 21:22.55 | tarzeau | inaety: are you sure it needs a newere libc6? |
| 21:23.00 | antgel | as in, the content will be quite static |
| 21:23.06 | berzerka | what the heck, i'm gonna write it myself, could be done already ;) |
| 21:23.06 | simonrvn | antgel: static html pages ;) |
| 21:23.10 | antgel | simonrvn: no, my bug was before release |
| 21:23.15 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 21:23.19 | antgel | simonrvn: :-O |
| 21:23.23 | inaety | tarzeau: libmtp6: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.6-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13 is to be installed |
| 21:23.39 | stew | "our cms system comprises of a system where you call antgel and tell him to fire up vim" |
| 21:23.46 | pickcoder | I guess Gforge is overkill |
| 21:23.52 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 21:24.08 | antgel | even emacs is overkill for me |
| 21:24.27 | simonrvn | Package: twiki Version: 1:4.0.5-9.1 |
| 21:24.30 | maxamillion | antgel: emacs is a freaking operating system |
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| 21:24.39 | tarzeau | inaety: where do you have that pkg from? |
| 21:24.47 | antgel | stew: i guess i'm just used to having the cms giving me a decent starting page layout, rather than an abortion |
| 21:24.53 | inaety | tarzeau: apt-get install libmtp6 |
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| 21:25.06 | slump | i have one harddisk just to squid cache, it's best to use ext2 and mount it with async and noatime options? |
| 21:25.12 | tarzeau | inaety: but from where? it's not in debian... |
| 21:25.16 | inaety | oh |
| 21:25.18 | inaety | yeab |
| 21:25.19 | tarzeau | inaety: apt-cache policy libmtp6 |
| 21:25.20 | inaety | yeah one second |
| 21:25.24 | UnixD | How much space does a debootstrap created machine use? I don't want to start the build and run out :) |
| 21:25.28 | pickcoder | there is a community project for the Universe DBMS that's supposed to satisfy cravings for a flexible and slender CMS |
| 21:25.38 | h3sp4wn | UnixD: ~ 250MB or so |
| 21:25.40 | inaety | tarzeau: 500 http://people.debian.org ./ Packages |
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| 21:25.50 | tarzeau | inaety: who made it? |
| 21:25.56 | pickcoder | I have no idea how much work has been done on it. IBM is supporting it. |
| 21:25.58 | UnixD | Thanks h3 - little big for what I'nm after :) |
| 21:26.10 | inaety | tarzeau: http://people.debian.org/~rafael/libmtp/ |
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| 21:26.33 | h3sp4wn | UnixD: What are you wanting to use it for ? |
| 21:26.43 | h3sp4wn | UnixD: You can strip it down afterwards ? |
| 21:26.43 | tarzeau | inaety: but that's only 0.2.0, while there is 0.2.1 |
| 21:26.54 | inaety | thats updated enough |
| 21:27.09 | inaety | *shrugs* i just want to get on my device |
| 21:27.11 | simonrvn | pickcoder: it's on their site even |
| 21:27.26 | UnixD | Very small VMWare appliance with an iSCSI backed storage. So 2.6 kernel. I'll see if it's easier to add stuff to DSL rather than strip down an Etch install |
| 21:27.35 | tarzeau | inaety: are you there for a few more minutes? |
| 21:27.54 | UnixD | DSL looks vaguly apt based |
| 21:28.13 | h3sp4wn | DSL is 2.4 afaik |
| 21:28.13 | simonrvn | antgel: oh, rails maybe? *shrug* |
| 21:28.18 | helo | yes, it is 2. |
| 21:28.21 | helo | 2.4, that is |
| 21:28.30 | UnixD | Yah, that'd be the first thing to change :) |
| 21:28.36 | pickcoder | simonrvn: where? |
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| 21:28.48 | UnixD | DSL-n claims to be 2.6 but it looks a little new |
| 21:28.49 | h3sp4wn | UnixD: Use something source based if you want it really small |
| 21:28.52 | lectures4ever | Hello |
| 21:29.08 | antgel | simonrvn: tried it once. can of worms. it's meant to be easy etc, but it made me feel so stupid, i just don't understand it :| |
| 21:29.09 | inaety | tarzeau: huh? |
| 21:29.31 | UnixD | I was looking at LFS but I'd rather stick to the comfort of a known tool chain. And I'm lazy :) |
| 21:29.37 | antgel | simonrvn: i have the book, and it all reads well, then i tried to do something original, stared at the screen, and gave up |
| 21:30.14 | UnixD | Thanks for the pointers. Looks like time to start shortilisting potentials |
| 21:30.17 | tarzeau | inaety: i'll create you packages of the latest version? |
| 21:30.48 | helo | i like to ask questions? |
| 21:31.37 | nas | whats the name of the first sata drive |
| 21:31.43 | nas | on the debian instlal cd |
| 21:31.55 | nas | the rescue mode decided to start working |
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| 21:31.59 | antgel | simonrvn: i'm not thick, am i? |
| 21:31.59 | lectures4ever | I get INSTALL Failure: I am using Debian Installer (Etch, netinst cd), to install uncleanly over existing lVM , disk partition sees my lvm partitions, and i set root to be mounted on / and not erase its data, then during Install , I get the error : "Failure trying to run: chroot /target mount -t proc proc proc" |
| 21:31.59 | lectures4ever | Help !! |
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| 21:32.19 | stew | nas: it could be /dev/sda or sdb, sdc, sdd, etch |
| 21:32.23 | stew | ^etch^etc. |
| 21:32.33 | nas | ok |
| 21:32.33 | lectures4ever | the installer's disk partitioner got to see my LVM partitions after a bit of work |
| 21:32.40 | nas | thanks ill try that now |
| 21:33.02 | lectures4ever | can someone please rescue my installation over existing LVM partitions ? |
| 21:33.28 | lectures4ever | i posted the details, 3 posts ago :) |
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| 21:33.42 | simonrvn | antgel: sorry was AFI |
| 21:33.57 | antgel | actually, maybe a simple site like this is good rails practice |
| 21:34.04 | |Lunar_Lamp| | I have just done a "locate my.cnf" on my debian server, and there is one in /etc and another in /etc/mysql - how do I know which one is being used? |
| 21:34.25 | simonrvn | antgel: i felt the same... it's meant to built from the sql file you write yourself, then it builds the site from that |
| 21:34.37 | lectures4ever | any help please ??? |
| 21:34.37 | stew | |Lunar_Lamp|: the debian mysql packages use /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 21:34.53 | simonrvn | i read some oreilly thing on it the other day and that's when i got a clue how to get it running |
| 21:34.55 | |Lunar_Lamp| | stew, ok, thanks |
| 21:35.02 | antgel | simonrvn: thank fuck, so why is everyone raving about it? is it one of those things that lets not-programmers program? |
| 21:35.10 | stew | antgel: heh, you have to realize there is some irony in you deciding to write your own cms becuase there are too many out there |
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| 21:35.12 | helo | host -l google.com --> Host google.com not found: 2(SERVFAIL) |
| 21:35.28 | simonrvn | antgel: yeh |
| 21:35.39 | antgel | stew: heh, i'm not going to really. apart from anything else, i'm not good enough |
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| 21:36.03 | simonrvn | antgel, stew: that's probably what motivated them in the first place |
| 21:36.06 | lectures4ever | I get INSTALL Failure: I am using Debian Installer (Etch, netinst cd), to install uncleanly over existing lVM , disk partition sees my lvm partitions, and i set root to be mounted on / and not erase its data, then during Install , I get the error : "Failure trying to run: chroot /target mount -t proc proc proc" |
| 21:36.31 | tarzeau | inaety: here's one latest version for sid: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/libmtp/ |
| 21:36.47 | |Lunar_Lamp| | [22:34:36] <stew> |Lunar_Lamp|: the debian mysql packages use /etc/mysql/my.cnf <== the mysqladmin command though says it reads /etc/my.cnf :-/ |
| 21:37.02 | lectures4ever | ok how do I set a partition to "Linux LVM" (de) ? |
| 21:37.23 | stew | |Lunar_Lamp|: what does "mysqladmin --version" return? |
| 21:37.23 | antgel | |Lunar_Lamp|: raise a bug report |
| 21:37.45 | |Lunar_Lamp| | stew: mysqladmin Ver 8.41 Distrib 5.0.24a, for pc-linux-gnu on i686 |
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| 21:38.14 | lectures4ever | actually it's fe |
| 21:38.14 | lectures4ever | no 8e |
| 21:38.22 | stew | |Lunar_Lamp|: i don't think you got that from debian. what does "which mysqladmin" return? |
| 21:38.30 | lectures4ever | can I set partition to a partition type using fdisk ? |
| 21:38.32 | lectures4ever | how ? |
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| 21:38.54 | |Lunar_Lamp| | stew /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysqladmin - which means that some idiot installed it from source :-/ |
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| 21:39.06 | mavior | hello,when I type apt-get install swfdec-mozilla, i get a missing dependency : "swfdec-mozilla: Depends: libswfdec0.5-1 (>= 0.5.1-1) but it is not installable" and i can't find that package in any distribution, any suggests ? |
| 21:39.12 | pickcoder | lectures4ever: fdisk |
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| 21:39.21 | pickcoder | t |
| 21:39.29 | helo | dpkg: tell mavior about non-free |
| 21:39.42 | kritical | Hi there, I've received a complaint from someone saying that my server DoS'd them recently, I've run rkhunter on my base O/S (Debian Etch) and I've also run it on rkhunter on all of the VServers I am running.. can anyone suggest any thing else I can try do? |
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| 21:39.57 | pickcoder | actually.. if you press 'm' at the fdisk prompt you get a nice help list |
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| 21:40.04 | tarzeau | kritical: what says netstat -plunt ? |
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| 21:40.18 | tarzeau | kritical: can you post the output online, as well as lsmod, uname -a. then read harden-doc |
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| 21:40.23 | musya | when i try and open up jedti in debian it says starting but then it doesnt start |
| 21:40.27 | lectures4ever | pickcoder: fdisk what ? I don't have a full shell only ash |
| 21:40.31 | musya | jedit* |
| 21:40.40 | lectures4ever | i'm in the middle of the installation |
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| 21:40.45 | lectures4ever | stalled right now |
| 21:40.47 | stew | kritical: check "last" for unknown people logging in, check debsums; install snoopy and watch for suspicious commands being run in /var/log/auth.log |
| 21:40.51 | Zap-W | why does login pam service need common-password |
| 21:40.54 | kritical | tarzeau, I'll need to pastebin that one, one moment please |
| 21:40.57 | mavior | helo, i have non free enabled in my sources.list |
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| 21:41.07 | pickcoder | lectures4ever: "t" will change the partition type |
| 21:41.08 | lectures4ever | need help installing over / lvm partition without deleting it |
| 21:41.16 | pickcoder | or "m" for a help list |
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| 21:41.53 | tarzeau | inaety: and here's the etch version: http://gnu.ethz.ch/backports/ |
| 21:42.09 | inaety | tarzeau: i am still getting errors |
| 21:42.10 | helo | mavior: hmm... ohhh libswfdec0.3 is in main... not sure where 0.5-1 is :( |
| 21:42.16 | minerale | is there a recursive ftp client somewhere? I'd like to be able to do the same thing as this scp (but without the overhead) ftp -R minerale.com:stuff/bigfolder . |
| 21:42.19 | tarzeau | inaety: did you try the etch version? |
| 21:42.23 | kanzure | So. I want to speed up my bootup process. If I wanted to reduce boot-time to maybe <30 seconds, can I just edit one of the initilization scripts and run vim or something? |
| 21:42.24 | tarzeau | minerale: lftp |
| 21:42.25 | kanzure | is that safe? |
| 21:42.28 | kritical | tarzeau, http://pastebin.ca/649148 |
| 21:42.59 | inaety | tarzeau: http://pastebin.com/m48e9cb8 |
| 21:43.04 | tarzeau | kritical: what says telnet localhost 50000 ? |
| 21:43.33 | lectures4ever | pickcoder: Thanks ! |
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| 21:43.49 | tarzeau | kritical: the perl something at port 8888 looks very suspicious |
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| 21:44.06 | kritical | tarzeau, 8888 = gnump3d |
| 21:44.13 | tarzeau | kritical: do you have easy to guess password accounts? |
| 21:44.19 | stew | kritical: the things on :50000-:50003 and :33925 and :8888 all look suspicious |
| 21:44.34 | lectures4ever | "Proceed with installation to unclean target?" |
| 21:44.40 | tarzeau | kritical: this one too: udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:33925 0.0.0.0:* 31979/linux |
| 21:44.43 | stew | kritical: and :1040 |
| 21:44.50 | tarzeau | kritical: check those... using lsof |
| 21:44.52 | nas | ok i think i might know whats going on |
| 21:44.59 | nas | i got grub to install but it doesnt boot |
| 21:45.09 | nas | i think its becuase its trying to boot my ide drive |
| 21:45.17 | nas | so i load up grub command line |
| 21:45.17 | mavior | anyone got swf-player successfully working in iceweasel? i can't get it to work after installed it |
| 21:45.20 | lectures4ever | Warning: Failure trying to run: chroot /target mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 21:45.24 | nas | root (hd0,1) |
| 21:45.26 | lectures4ever | heaalp |
| 21:45.41 | kritical | I do run a lot of services... but I'm also running a stateful iptables firewall... |
| 21:45.47 | lectures4ever | debootstrap exited with an error value 1 |
| 21:45.53 | stew | kritical: check all of those pids maybe with "ps auxwww 2892 11352 13646 13646 13646 13646 31979" and see where they are running from and who is running them |
| 21:45.59 | lectures4ever | debootstrap: segmentation fault |
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| 21:46.10 | tarzeau | kritical: the firewall won't help if you're services have weak points |
| 21:46.37 | tarzeau | kritical: if you were running a proxy firewall, that'd change things |
| 21:46.41 | lectures4ever | base-installer failure |
| 21:46.45 | lectures4ever | help |
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| 21:46.48 | kanzure | Is running startup scripts in parallel safe ? |
| 21:46.52 | kritical | stew: that ps gave a lot of output |
| 21:46.59 | tarzeau | lectures4ever: halp.istheshit.net |
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| 21:47.12 | kritical | stew, are you sure those parameters are correct? I was expecting ~8 lines not ~30 |
| 21:47.35 | stew | kritical: www will let them wrap instead of truncating them |
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| 21:48.11 | lectures4ever | base-installer failure |
| 21:48.12 | lectures4ever | help |
| 21:48.19 | kritical | stew: what about specifying the pid's?.... |
| 21:48.19 | lectures4ever | debootstrap: segmentation fault |
| 21:48.25 | lectures4ever | debootstrap exited with an error value 1 |
| 21:48.31 | lectures4ever | Warning: Failure trying to run: chroot /target mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 21:48.40 | stew | kritical: oh, right, auxwww was not right |
| 21:49.12 | stew | kritical: you wanted uwww not auxwww |
| 21:49.28 | kritical | woah... I found the user |
| 21:49.35 | kritical | I went into last |
| 21:49.41 | kritical | and checked .bash_history |
| 21:50.04 | kritical | I created an ftponly user called ftp... |
| 21:50.04 | antgel | kritical: lart him! |
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| 21:50.14 | kritical | err called 'upload' |
| 21:50.22 | kritical | lart him? |
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| 21:50.32 | antgel | ignore me |
| 21:50.39 | E-bola | Anybody know a util that will allow me to monitor traffic usage on a debian server? I want to log how many mb's that is pushed in and out over time |
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| 21:50.52 | nas | how do you tell grub to use sata |
| 21:50.58 | kritical | This user has created a directory called /var/tmp/crazy with a lot of stuff in there... |
| 21:51.00 | tarzeau | E-bola: iptraf |
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| 21:51.07 | inaety | nas, /dev/sda** |
| 21:51.21 | nas | you dont have to follow |
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| 21:51.28 | nas | from the grub command |
| 21:51.31 | tcsetattr | E-bola: also mrtg/rrdtool and the various frontends |
| 21:51.34 | nas | root (hd1,0) |
| 21:51.34 | en1gma | sup all |
| 21:51.36 | E-bola | tarzeau: but thaT DOESNT STORE ANYTHING? |
| 21:51.37 | nas | you dont need that? |
| 21:51.42 | en1gma | what you all upto |
| 21:51.43 | tarzeau | E-bola: yes it can |
| 21:51.46 | E-bola | tcsetattr: I DONT FIND MRTG ETC ACURATE ENOUGH |
| 21:51.53 | E-bola | tarzeau: ohh didnt know |
| 21:52.01 | tcsetattr | sorry, not loud enough |
| 21:52.01 | tarzeau | E-bola: it's a matter of telling it to do so. many people just don't know their software well enough |
| 21:52.04 | inaety | nas, you should see a /dev/hda** if it didn't load the sata just the h to s |
| 21:52.08 | tarzeau | E-bola: reading documentation can help |
| 21:52.09 | kritical | stew or tarzeau, if I tar up this persons directory could one of you have a look at the files? looks like theres a port scanner, and some other things... |
| 21:52.15 | inaety | in your boot.list |
| 21:52.15 | en1gma | i burnt a cdrw with k3b and it wrote fine but verification failed....how do i tell it to |
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| 21:52.16 | E-bola | tarzeau: but is it suited for longterm monitoring and logging? |
| 21:52.20 | en1gma | re-verify |
| 21:52.24 | tarzeau | kritical: yes i can, just put it online somewhere |
| 21:52.30 | tcsetattr | kritical: I'll take a copy... |
| 21:52.36 | minerale | tarzeau: I don't see how I can use lftp recursively |
| 21:52.39 | tarzeau | E-bola: i'd say yes. i've used it over a period of many months inside screen |
| 21:52.50 | E-bola | what about reboots etc? |
| 21:52.54 | tarzeau | E-bola: ntop was crashing many more times. iptraf is rock solid |
| 21:52.55 | E-bola | screen doesnt sound like its suited for that |
| 21:52.59 | en1gma | is there a way to tell k3b to RE-verify the image it burnt already |
| 21:53.02 | E-bola | ntop is live as well |
| 21:53.04 | tarzeau | minerale: man lftp (mirror is the keyword) |
| 21:53.16 | en1gma | or a command i can do in komsole |
| 21:53.21 | tarzeau | E-bola: yes screen is good, if you want to look at iptraf stuff from some other tty |
| 21:53.29 | tcsetattr | en1gma you can do "cmp file.iso /dev/cdrom" and it'll tell you if there are any differences |
| 21:53.29 | tarzeau | E-bola: or you use the logfiles |
| 21:53.36 | tarzeau | E-bola: ntop is buggy |
| 21:53.41 | en1gma | sweet will check that |
| 21:53.43 | en1gma | thnx man |
| 21:53.56 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.00 | E-bola | tarzeau: just skimmed docs, iptraf definately isnt suited for what i need |
| 21:54.15 | E-bola | it doesnt handle longterm storage of traffic info well enough |
| 21:54.17 | tarzeau | E-bola: from what you said, i think it is. but you decide |
| 21:54.28 | minerale | ls |
| 21:54.39 | tarzeau | E-bola: sometimes documentation is outdated or inaccurate. i always then try it out before i decide |
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| 21:55.37 | musya | anybody have jedit issues? |
| 21:56.31 | themill | tcsetattr: comparing the raw device to the iso image is not guaranteed to work. |
| 21:56.31 | E-bola | ipac is more what i need |
| 21:56.38 | E-bola | i just hoped there was something quicker/easier |
| 21:56.59 | tarzeau | E-bola: you need what information exactly? |
| 21:57.14 | tarzeau | E-bola: data transfered per interface, and start/stop time? |
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| 21:57.35 | E-bola | data transfered per interface |
| 21:57.39 | E-bola | mainly |
| 21:57.44 | tarzeau | E-bola: why not just netstat -s ? |
| 21:57.50 | E-bola | a breakdown of details is a bonus , like topten ip's etc |
| 21:57.59 | E-bola | tarzeau: that doesnt provide longterm storage either |
| 21:58.03 | tarzeau | E-bola: err ifconfig ? |
| 21:58.06 | E-bola | or any graphs or anything at all |
| 21:58.16 | tarzeau | E-bola: you can read it out periodically and make plots |
| 21:58.17 | E-bola | ifconfig with the proper scripting would work |
| 21:58.24 | kritical | tarzeau, tcsetattr: http://kritical.info/_forumpics/sneaky.tar.gz |
| 21:58.33 | E-bola | tarzeau: im looking for a "plugnplay" tool not to script it myself |
| 21:58.37 | kritical | There are all of the files that I have found so far |
| 21:58.55 | tarzeau | E-bola: the script would be a oneliner ploticus one |
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| 21:59.41 | E-bola | tarzeau: its stupid to do it that way |
| 21:59.48 | E-bola | when there are lots of tools made for this very purpose |
| 21:59.49 | tarzeau | E-bola: if you think so... |
| 21:59.51 | antgel | simonrvn: i can't see much point in rails for such a static site |
| 21:59.54 | E-bola | why wouldnt u think so |
| 21:59.58 | E-bola | iw ould have no init script |
| 22:00.00 | tarzeau | E-bola: then try to use any of those. the one i've seen sucked |
| 22:00.06 | E-bola | i would have no details of what ip's are generating he traffic |
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| 22:00.23 | tarzeau | E-bola: you'd not need one, i'd run it in gnu screen, @reboot in crontab, using screen -dmS name script |
| 22:00.30 | tarzeau | E-bola: yes you would |
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| 22:00.53 | E-bola | how so? |
| 22:00.59 | tarzeau | E-bola: like i said above |
| 22:01.00 | E-bola | not from ifconfig atleast |
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| 22:01.51 | tarzeau | E-bola: not? RX bytes:2290485871 (2.1 GiB) TX bytes:2873048420 (2.6 GiB) |
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| 22:02.29 | kanzure | Is cinit difficult to install? |
| 22:02.32 | E-bola | ummm? |
| 22:02.45 | tarzeau | E-bola: try /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 22:02.47 | E-bola | that shows overall traffic, not which ip's are generating the traffic |
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| 22:02.54 | stueng | hi, I installed xen by mistake during the install... whats the best way to get rid of it ? |
| 22:02.55 | E-bola | external ip's |
| 22:02.58 | tarzeau | E-bola: ahh you want to know which ip from external |
| 22:03.00 | E-bola | not the ip's on the box |
| 22:03.02 | E-bola | yes |
| 22:03.03 | tarzeau | E-bola: not some local interface |
| 22:03.06 | ixion | oops.. wrong chan |
| 22:03.15 | E-bola | netacct looks promising |
| 22:03.20 | tarzeau | E-bola: yeah use that |
| 22:03.30 | tarzeau | if you asked that way, from the beginning.... |
| 22:03.55 | E-bola | well the mainthing is the overall traffic |
| 22:04.00 | E-bola | as i said added details are a bonus |
| 22:04.38 | Macarse | Hi, I am trying to install debian on my PC ( mother: P965T-A with 2 SATA-2 disks) looks like the jmicron driver is the problem, I can't find any solution on google, any help? |
| 22:05.03 | tarzeau | kritical: this clearly looks like some script kiddy |
| 22:05.16 | tarzeau | kritical: one that doesn't know very well to hide himself |
| 22:05.38 | kritical | tarzeau, that's good for me =) |
| 22:05.40 | tarzeau | kritical: and one that doesn't know about seq |
| 22:05.50 | kritical | seq? |
| 22:06.03 | tarzeau | kritical: try seq 1 10 |
| 22:06.20 | tarzeau | kritical: and look at tmp/crazy/tigurtzu |
| 22:06.38 | kritical | ahh yes |
| 22:06.38 | lectures4ever | Warning: Failure trying to run: chroot /target mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 22:06.38 | lectures4ever | debootstrap exited with an error value 1 |
| 22:06.41 | lectures4ever | debootstrap: segmentation fault |
| 22:06.44 | lectures4ever | help |
| 22:07.05 | lectures4ever | need help installing over / lvm partition without deleting it |
| 22:07.11 | h3sp4wn | Macarse: try the installer with 2.6.21 from jmuto |
| 22:07.17 | tarzeau | kritical: and there's all info for the irc computer control in those files |
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| 22:07.54 | tarzeau | kritical: and whoever it was has no idea there's also 64bit systems and non-i386 machines.... |
| 22:08.13 | tarzeau | kritical: and uses dynamically linked binaries... very lame |
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| 22:08.28 | kritical | tarzeau, irc computer control? |
| 22:08.28 | tarzeau | kritical: and isn't prepared for darwin on x86 |
| 22:08.30 | antgel | tarzeau: you are /not/ impressed, i can tell :) |
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| 22:08.49 | tarzeau | antgel: no i'm not, this is the usual lame script kiddy copy paste has-no-clue hacker |
| 22:09.06 | tarzeau | kritical: like they got some software connecting to some irc channel, and then they can control the connecting computer |
| 22:09.24 | tarzeau | antgel: and all this crap is like 47mb ... HAHAHA |
| 22:09.26 | kritical | tarzeau, yeah... I've encountered that before.. which folder did you find that stuff? |
| 22:09.30 | lectures4ever | am I asking in the wrong way or something ? |
| 22:09.33 | tarzeau | antgel: man people can be rly stupid |
| 22:09.35 | Macarse | h3sp4wn: what does jmuto mean, can't find anything in google related with debian. |
| 22:09.40 | antgel | tarzeau: yet they still got in :) |
| 22:09.44 | tarzeau | kritical: in your tar file? |
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| 22:09.55 | h3sp4wn | Macarse: There is a guy who makes updated installers for Debian stable |
| 22:09.55 | tarzeau | antgel: i mean, i don't want to know the passwords of kritical |
| 22:09.57 | kritical | tarzeau, is that the mech directory? |
| 22:10.01 | tarzeau | kritical: yes |
| 22:10.24 | tarzeau | lectures4ever: yes |
| 22:10.29 | h3sp4wn | Macarse: but I forget the exact name - someone in here will know |
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| 22:10.33 | kritical | tarzeau, do you know a way which I can completely hose every file and process owned by this user? |
| 22:10.40 | lectures4ever | what's the correct way ? |
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| 22:10.56 | tarzeau | kritical: yes, pkill -9 -u username |
| 22:11.15 | simonrvn | or slay |
| 22:11.23 | karsten | kritical: slay. |
| 22:11.31 | tarzeau | kritical: but personally i wouldn't trust the system anymore, although i doubt this user had root access. |
| 22:11.38 | h3sp4wn | Macarse: http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian |
| 22:11.54 | simonrvn | karsten: kwe kwe |
| 22:11.55 | tarzeau | kritical: make sure none of his software is started again (check init.d and crontabs, as well as inittab) |
| 22:12.00 | Macarse | h3sp4wn: great, will check out. |
| 22:12.05 | karsten | simonrvn: Howdy y'self. |
| 22:12.08 | tarzeau | kritical: then make sure you don't have weak passwords, nowhere! |
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| 22:12.11 | kritical | tarzeau, yeah I really don't trust it either... but it's running so much stuff... for now I need to do a quick fix... over the weekend I'll be reinstalling... |
| 22:12.17 | tarzeau | kritical: i mean these things are not hard. just do it |
| 22:12.29 | tarzeau | kritical: the quick fix is this: remove the internet cable |
| 22:12.31 | simonrvn | kritical: /var/spool/cron/ |
| 22:12.37 | kritical | tarzeau, I can't, I have services runnign... |
| 22:12.41 | tarzeau | kritical: reinstalling is just worthless if you don't learn from this case |
| 22:12.46 | tarzeau | kritical: yes you can |
| 22:12.57 | tarzeau | kritical: if you don't, oh well, |
| 22:13.04 | tarzeau | kritical: JUST UNPLUG IT. okay? |
| 22:13.08 | tarzeau | kritical: you are helping spammers |
| 22:13.14 | tarzeau | kritical: where do you live? |
| 22:13.30 | simonrvn | kritical: unplug the ethernet *at the very least* |
| 22:13.33 | karsten | How do I get the memory boundaries of DIMMs on a system? dmesg? dmidecode? |
| 22:13.51 | lectures4ever | after the failed installation my system won't boot |
| 22:13.53 | lectures4ever | please help |
| 22:13.54 | kritical | tarzeau, dude, trust me, I don't want a compromised server, I'm trying to do as much as I can so that I can continue working and deal with this when I've finished work |
| 22:13.54 | tarzeau | karsten: lshw/hwinfo, but they can be wrong |
| 22:13.57 | simonrvn | /var/log/dmesg; dmidecode, depends |
| 22:14.19 | karsten | lectures4ever: How did the install fail? Try reinstalling. |
| 22:14.28 | simonrvn | doesn't always work the latter :/ |
| 22:14.31 | lectures4ever | I retyped several times how it failed |
| 22:14.35 | karsten | lectures4ever: ... or just fix your bootloader. Or tell us how the boot fails. |
| 22:14.36 | lectures4ever | reinstalling doesn'yt work |
| 22:14.44 | lectures4ever | how do I fix it ? |
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| 22:15.10 | Jemt | !xgl |
| 22:15.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 22:15.15 | jorgp | hi karsten and abrotman |
| 22:15.17 | themill | karsten: I think it was a failed reinstall with an lvm setup trying to preserve data in the lvm |
| 22:15.26 | abrotman | hi |
| 22:15.43 | tarzeau | kritical: look if you don't want compromised server, remove it from the internet. right. now. immediately. not. one. more. second. |
| 22:16.02 | lectures4ever | themill, karsten: thats correct |
| 22:16.08 | karsten | lectures4ever: Feh. I'd be reading the LVM HOWTO at this point. Sorry. |
| 22:16.31 | simonrvn | lectures4ever: are they active, the LVs? |
| 22:16.38 | tarzeau | kritical: can you put the last -a, and lastlog outputs online too? |
| 22:16.48 | lectures4ever | simonrvn: the installer sees them |
| 22:17.12 | simonrvn | lectures4ever: ok; so you have them mounted somewhere properly? |
| 22:17.15 | simonrvn | coffee* |
| 22:17.20 | lectures4ever | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:17.29 | simonrvn | well you'll need to ;) |
| 22:18.10 | simonrvn | lectures4ever: you wanting to re-install onto the LVs? i'll lastlog this, sec |
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| 22:19.04 | lectures4ever | simonrvn: thanks !!!! |
| 22:19.08 | karsten | lectures4ever: Roughly: you'll need to tell your current (new) instal about the LVM and your logical and physical volumes. I don't know the details on this. LVM HOWTO is what you want to read. |
| 22:19.17 | lectures4ever | i know the details |
| 22:19.18 | lectures4ever | I did that |
| 22:19.23 | lectures4ever | the installer sees them |
| 22:19.27 | lectures4ever | then it fails |
| 22:19.29 | karsten | lectures4ever: OK, in which case you know more than I do. |
| 22:19.30 | lectures4ever | segmentation fault |
| 22:19.41 | abrotman | core dump! |
| 22:19.49 | lectures4ever | debootstrapper fails or something |
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| 22:20.41 | lectures4ever | now the boot process just freezes after reading in input devices |
| 22:21.01 | lectures4ever | after running /scripts/local-bottom and /scripts/init-bottom |
| 22:21.36 | simonrvn | lectures4ever: frankly reinstalling from scratch after you've backed up your data would be better. is this the same box that had sid running on it? |
| 22:21.49 | ixion | eth0: transmit timed out, status 0073, resetting |
| 22:21.51 | simonrvn | better meaning easier |
| 22:21.57 | ixion | anyone know what the hel that is about ? |
| 22:22.21 | lectures4ever | simonrvn: yes |
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| 22:22.42 | simonrvn | lectures4ever: do you have another box to run debootstrap manually from? |
| 22:22.45 | lectures4ever | just now that I found out how to downgrade the booting fails. scheisse |
| 22:22.48 | E-bola | Anybody know how i can get ipac-ng installed on my etch box? |
| 22:22.52 | simonrvn | pardon the bad grammar |
| 22:22.54 | E-bola | I can only find a packages for unstable |
| 22:23.02 | E-bola | and it has a bunch of dependencies |
| 22:23.07 | simonrvn | E-bola: backport it, or find one at backports.org |
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| 22:23.33 | lectures4ever | simonrvn: no problem the debootstrapping fails during the install, now that i've aborted the install i can no longer boot into the system |
| 22:23.46 | E-bola | I cant backport it |
| 22:23.54 | simonrvn | lectures4ever: well lvm / you have to have an initrd, no choice. what fs is your / ? |
| 22:23.57 | abrotman | !info ipac-ng sid |
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| 22:23.59 | dpkg | ipac-ng: (IP Accounting for iptables), section net, is optional. Version: 1.31-4+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 117 kB, Installed size: 452 kB |
| 22:24.04 | abrotman | !tell E-bola about simple sid backport |
| 22:24.37 | E-bola | isnt there an easy way to search backports.org? |
| 22:24.50 | E-bola | like a search function... |
| 22:24.57 | simonrvn | drill down through the dirs ? ;) |
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| 22:26.12 | E-bola | strange there apears to be no packages in etch ip accounting |
| 22:26.33 | simonrvn | lectures4ever: anyway, either you can backup your stuff you wanna keep and do it from scratch, or put that LVMed drive onto another box start up the LVs manually, then run debootstrap on it |
| 22:26.35 | tcsetattr | it seems that way because you shout down all suggestions. I still don't see what's wrong with rrdtool. |
| 22:26.54 | simonrvn | tcsetattr: nothing at all ;) |
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| 22:28.09 | lectures4ever | how do I start the LVs manually ? |
| 22:28.29 | lectures4ever | simonrvn: how do I start the LVs manually ? |
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| 22:29.32 | Azar | hello honorables! |
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| 22:29.54 | kritical_ | tarzeau, I unplugged it after I mentioned to my supervisor what was happening =) |
| 22:30.15 | kritical_ | In his words "First thing you do if unplug the box stupid!" |
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| 22:30.44 | tarzeau | kritical_: thank you for your trust in me |
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| 22:31.09 | zu22 | what is the key command(s) to switch between video modes in X? |
| 22:31.11 | lectures4ever | what does modprobe do ? |
| 22:31.26 | tcsetattr | ctrl-alt-KP+ |
| 22:31.35 | shwouchk | for some reason some programs always fail to resolve hostnames to IPs (e.g. telnet) while other work just fine (e.g. ping) wha could cause such weird behaviour? |
| 22:31.38 | lectures4ever | how do I mount the LVs manually from the console , while the installer waits in the other console ? |
| 22:31.45 | zu22 | tcsetattr: what is KP+ mean? |
| 22:31.57 | tcsetattr | the + on the numeric keypad |
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| 22:32.13 | antgel_ | grr |
| 22:32.17 | zu22 | tcsetattr: ah, i'm on a laptop there is just arrow keys on the keypad |
| 22:32.18 | kritical_ | tarzeau, thanks for your help |
| 22:32.25 | tcsetattr | if you don't have a numpad you can run "xvidtune -next" |
| 22:33.00 | karsten | zu22: There should be a numeric keypad overlay at 7890, uiop, jkl;, m,./ |
| 22:33.00 | Azar | tarzeau: you managed to test that installer? the debian/hurd? |
| 22:33.08 | zu22 | tcseattr: i ran an upgrade last night, i run testing, and now it looks like my video mode is higher, since my xterms open up smaller, fonts look smaller, even in firefox the fonts look smaller |
| 22:33.33 | zu22 | karsten: i have + and - keys after 7890 ja |
| 22:33.40 | tarzeau | Azar: sorry had no time yet |
| 22:33.46 | kanzure | Any suggestions for cleaning up my boot scripts? (fresh net install of Debian) |
| 22:33.48 | tarzeau | Azar: i won't install it manually. |
| 22:33.57 | Azar | tarzeau: it's ok I will try to do it tonight |
| 22:34.09 | tarzeau | Azar: i'll use fully automatic netinstall of gnu/linux, then auto crosshurd, and just have the shell for me to use |
| 22:34.14 | karsten | zu22: That's not quite what I meant. |
| 22:34.19 | tarzeau | Azar: i hate burning, inserting cd rom media |
| 22:34.27 | tarzeau | Azar: and i hate looking at cumbersome installers |
| 22:34.37 | Azar | tarzeau: I already burned the original, old installer ... |
| 22:34.38 | tarzeau | Azar: if i want hurd, i just want to say "give me hurd" |
| 22:34.57 | tarzeau | Azar: see, that's what i hate too. mountains of cd media which is outdated |
| 22:34.57 | Azar | tarzeau: I do not know how to install with debian linux... |
| 22:35.02 | zu22 | where does the config file for X.org live? if it's using my old /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file that hasn't been changed in a year so that wouldn't account for teh smaller xterm, fonts, etc... and i had set limit as 1024x768 which is max my LCD supports so i don't see how it could go "higher" yet it seems to have done that |
| 22:35.06 | tarzeau | Azar: well, using crosshurd :) |
| 22:35.20 | tcsetattr | it's moved to /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 22:35.21 | Azar | tarzeau: some link to figure out how crosshurd goes? |
| 22:35.34 | tarzeau | Azar: apt-get install crosshurd, then /usr/share/doc/crosshurd/ :) |
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| 22:36.05 | zu22 | tcsetattr: ok lemme check timestamp see if it was changed last night, at no point in the 'apt-get upgade' was i prompted or informed my fonts or video mode would change so this is unwelcome to say the least! |
| 22:36.16 | Azar | tarzeau: uh ok.. banging my head trying to figure out how to partition a ext2 for hurd with ext3 for linuc |
| 22:36.19 | Azar | x |
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| 22:37.13 | tcsetattr | zu22, the upgrade from sarge to etch does not make a smooth transition of the X configuration. Mine got installed with the wrong driver selected. |
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| 22:37.46 | \amethyst | anyone have debian-live drop you to busybox on the initramfs instead of continuing the boot? |
| 22:38.15 | tcsetattr | it was disappointing that debian couldn't get this obviously important transition done right... but at least you still have your XF864Config-4 to look at and find the differences. |
| 22:38.21 | karsten | \amethyst: That can happen, usually indicates an error in the initramfs processing. |
| 22:38.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: my grep over the BTS is still running. already got like 340mb of data |
| 22:38.24 | zu22 | BTW when i do 'dpkg-reconfigure xfonts-100dpi' or 'dpkg-reconfigure xfonts-75dpi" it informs me: warning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi does not exist or is not a directory, I looked and there is no /usr/lib/X11/fonts directory. maybe when i switched from XFree86 to X.org something was messed up with the fonts, i'd like to go back to my larger fonts and larger xterm, if video mode was not changed then how can i fix this issue? |
| 22:38.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: i think it's broken |
| 22:38.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: i can make stats on individual packages, it'll be very interesting i think |
| 22:38.56 | zu22 | i just checked /etc/X11/x.org hasn't been touched since April 12 so i guess this is a font problem |
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| 22:39.26 | abrotman | zu22: bts ? |
| 22:39.28 | tcsetattr | 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 Apr 11 20:47 /usr/lib/X11/fonts -> ../../X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ |
| 22:39.54 | zu22 | tcsetattr: yeah, i upgrade about 4 months ago, had no real problemn except X hardware acceleration no longer works, however after i ran 'apt-get upgrade' last night i logged in today and see my fonts are too small |
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| 22:40.49 | lectures4ever | i have incompatible libdevmapper 1.02.08 |
| 22:41.04 | kanzure | Any suggestions for cleaning up my boot scripts? (fresh net install of Debian) |
| 22:41.11 | zu22 | tcsetattr: i have no /usr/lib/X11/fonts I have /usr/lib/X11: |
| 22:41.13 | zu22 | config/ rstart/ x11perfcomp/ xedit/ |
| 22:41.14 | zu22 | Pixmap/ twm/ xdm/ xsm/ |
| 22:41.14 | abrotman | cleaning up how ? |
| 22:41.20 | stew | kanzure: why do they need cleaning? |
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| 22:41.39 | zu22 | abrotman: bts lemme google that to find the bug page |
| 22:41.56 | kanzure | stew: I am interested in stripping off the fat to quickly boot into vim while loading other stuff in the background. |
| 22:42.14 | kanzure | stew: I think I just have to modify a single init file, right? add something like `vim &`; and be on my way? |
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| 22:42.42 | zu22 | argh i wish apt had prompted me about these changes, it just blew away my fonts apparently since now i have these tiny fonts that hurt my eyes |
| 22:42.47 | stew | kanzure: not even close |
| 22:42.54 | zu22 | how can i set my fonts back to how they were? |
| 22:43.27 | kanzure | stew: Why not? What services need to already be launched to be able to run vim? |
| 22:43.49 | stew | kanzure: you'd have to write a sysvinit replacement |
| 22:44.28 | kanzure | stew: What about editing one of the init.rc related files? |
| 22:44.38 | stew | kanzure: not many services, if any at all need to be launched already in order to run vim, but getty isn't going to be started until the end of the init process |
| 22:44.45 | zu22 | tcsetattr: i do have a /usr/X11R6//lib/X11/fonts/ but no symlink to it from /usr/lib/X11/fonts, should i make one? |
| 22:44.47 | abrotman | there's initng and the other one |
| 22:44.52 | abrotman | upstart or something |
| 22:45.35 | kanzure | stew: 'getty' is something important? |
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| 22:45.47 | DragonD | Anyone here use codeblocks? |
| 22:46.14 | stew | kanzure: yes, its the thing you login to |
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| 22:46.24 | Rusty1_lt | !msg dpkg legos |
| 22:46.27 | kanzure | stew: does getty need many services running already? |
| 22:46.34 | kanzure | I could just shift getty up to the top of the stack of things to run |
| 22:46.35 | kanzure | right? |
| 22:48.02 | tcsetattr | what's the point of logging in to a system that isn't functional yet? so you can have random failures doing things that used to always work? |
| 22:48.13 | stew | kanzure: i don't konw. possibly. you'd have to rewrite /sbin/init to do it |
| 22:48.13 | abrotman | tcsetattr: details schmetails |
| 22:48.24 | antgel_ | abrotman: oi gevult! |
| 22:48.36 | kanzure | tcsetattr: surely the system is functional long before it gets to 'gdm' etc.. |
| 22:49.00 | abrotman | antgel_: lutefisk for you! |
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| 22:50.01 | DanielHolth | Hi. I'm trying to find the equivalent of /etc/sysconfig/clock (specify whether system clock is UTC, whether DST is used, and specify the time zone) in Debian. Java looks for this as one strategy to determine the time zone. |
| 22:50.10 | tcsetattr | you _could_ start a getty from rc2.d/S01getty (and take the corresponding getty out of inittab). it's just not safe. once a user is logged in, he can do things that might not be good for a half-booted system |
| 22:50.37 | stew | tcsetattr: right, and then that getty doesn't get automatically respawned |
| 22:50.39 | tcsetattr | /etc/default/rcS:UTC=yes |
| 22:50.53 | tcsetattr | the respawn is the least of your problems :) |
| 22:50.55 | DanielHolth | tcsetattr sound EVIL |
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| 22:51.09 | stew | you'd probably have to do a chvt as well? |
| 22:51.13 | clarity | hey i installed xen system and now when i type stuff I keep getting error messages |
| 22:51.33 | DanielHolth | thanks |
| 22:51.38 | clarity | like "4gb seg fixup, process cron (pid 2830), cs:ip 73:b7e10620" |
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| 22:51.53 | tcsetattr | you're just now figuring out Java is evil? |
| 22:53.06 | zu22 | karsten: i found what you meant it was ctrl-alt-specialkey-p/; , the problem is definitely my fonts, my 1024x768 video mode is still running fine, so something happened to- my fonts last night but i don't know since i was never informed/prompted about it by apt, how can i fix this? i want my old bigger fonts back |
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| 22:53.38 | Jasper | hej guys |
| 22:53.43 | Jasper | have a question: Reading package lists... Error! |
| 22:53.43 | Jasper | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 22:53.54 | Jasper | what am I doing wrong? |
| 22:53.59 | tcsetattr | zu22, you whine too much. |
| 22:54.04 | tcsetattr | !dynamic mmap |
| 22:54.04 | dpkg | somebody said dynamic mmap was "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need |
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| 22:54.20 | Jasper | hmm k |
| 22:54.22 | Jasper | thank you |
| 22:54.27 | ahurst | Hi all, |
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| 22:54.41 | politik | I have a raid 5 array on /dev/md2, which is used for swap. Now I'm trying to stop the array. I've swapoff'd it, but I can't mdadm --stop it for some reason, it says the device is busy. Any ideas? |
| 22:54.41 | ahurst | where would I faind the maintainer of update-modules(8) |
| 22:54.53 | ahurst | sorry, find ... ? |
| 22:54.58 | zu22 | tcsetattr: i'm not whining, i'm asking how i can get my old fonts back :( since apt changed something without telling/asking me |
| 22:55.33 | kanzure | speaking of fonts, can I get Times New Roman somewhere? heh' |
| 22:55.52 | kanzure | oddly enough I seem to read more quickly with that font |
| 22:57.14 | \amethyst | !msttcorefonts |
| 22:57.14 | dpkg | somebody said msttcorefonts was add contrib (ask me about it) to sources and install the package. Or go to http://corefonts.sourceforge.net |
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| 22:57.31 | DanielHolth | tcsetattr tomcat is very, very evil, but Java? Debian is also evil. |
| 22:58.29 | musya | does anybody know the package name for jre? |
| 22:58.34 | DanielHolth | Debian is evil because apt-get will uninstall 100 of your favourite packages so you can install a minor unrelated package. |
| 22:59.08 | kanzure | tcsetattr: Hmm. So I am looking at inittab. It looks like I can just specify the runlevel for getty that I want on tty1. Is that safe? Even if the user just logs in and runs, say, vim, will everything blow up? |
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| 22:59.31 | abrotman | DanielHolth: all package managers can do that |
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| 22:59.34 | faca | hello all |
| 22:59.51 | DanielHolth | ok why not. |
| 23:00.14 | faca | alternatives for qmail-scanner ? (qmail), amavis ? |
| 23:00.29 | DanielHolth | it's just that the packages have too many dependencies. n.b. OS X |
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| 23:00.51 | lectures4ever | is there a way to set up devmapper from the installer's shell ? |
| 23:00.53 | kanzure | I do not understand the inittab line. "1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1". The "2345" is apparently runlevels. If I prepended '1' to the runlevels, would I get a shell immediately? |
| 23:00.53 | abrotman | faca: amavis is one |
| 23:01.01 | h3sp4wn | DanielHolth: use aptitude then its the recommended package manager |
| 23:01.06 | lectures4ever | is there a way to set up devmapper from the installer's shell ? |
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| 23:02.11 | abrotman | kanzure: try it .. let us know |
| 23:02.16 | faca | abrotman, he is but fast? |
| 23:02.25 | abrotman | faca: amavis is fast ? |
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| 23:02.42 | abrotman | depends what you use with it .. |
| 23:02.43 | kanzure | abrotman: I suppose so. I'll be back eventually. |
| 23:02.49 | clarity | is there a way to install suggested packages automatically? |
| 23:02.52 | faca | abrotman, spamassassin and clamav. |
| 23:03.04 | zu22 | how can i get a listing of the most recently installed packages? say for the past 24 hours? |
| 23:03.14 | abrotman | faca: only testing will say with your hardware |
| 23:03.15 | faca | abrotman, as I directly control the Spam from qmail-smtpd? |
| 23:03.19 | abrotman | zu22: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 23:03.37 | zu22 | abrotman: k |
| 23:03.56 | faca | abrotman, good, the question is if amavis is but fast to work with qmail that to qmail-scanner |
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| 23:04.58 | abrotman | faca: you want to know if amavis works with qmail ? |
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| 23:05.40 | faca | abrotman, yes... |
| 23:05.51 | diafic | new imac styling is made of aids and fail http://images.apple.com/home/2007/images/imac_hero_20070807.jpg |
| 23:05.57 | abrotman | google should know .. i stopped using qmail a long time ago |
| 23:06.02 | abrotman | diafic: wrong channel |
| 23:06.20 | faca | abrotman, to qmail-scanner does not work to me, does not call to spamassassin nor to clamav, but both two work or in independent form. |
| 23:06.33 | abrotman | faca: read the documentation .. i use postfix or exim |
| 23:08.54 | lectures4ever | got it |
| 23:09.08 | lectures4ever | is there a way to copy file among the partitions from the installer shell ? |
| 23:09.27 | faca | abrotman, I would like to use postfix, but I cannot change to qmail now and I need to control Spam and virus… |
| 23:10.08 | abrotman | faca: uhm .. okay .. so find out if qmail works with amavis |
| 23:10.24 | lectures4ever | is there a way to copy file among the partitions from the installer shell ? |
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| 23:12.02 | abrotman | mount and copy |
| 23:12.29 | h3sp4wn | remembering to use devfs names |
| 23:13.14 | CLIdiot | just did a new debian install, and nano is inserting line breaks when it tries to wrap text. very annoying ... anybody know how to fix this? |
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| 23:13.51 | politik | CLIdiot: when you run nano, use the -w parameter |
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| 23:14.17 | politik | nano always inserts line breaks when you have text wrapping on, I think |
| 23:14.22 | politik | could be wrong |
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| 23:14.40 | CLIdiot | worked like a charm |
| 23:14.46 | CLIdiot | thanks, politik |
| 23:14.55 | politik | np |
| 23:15.12 | politik | one last try.... |
| 23:15.17 | politik | I have a raid 5 array on /dev/md2, which is used for swap. Now I'm trying to stop the array. I've swapoff'd it, but I can't mdadm --stop it for some reason, it says the device is busy. Any ideas? |
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| 23:16.38 | tcsetattr | try fuser -mv /dev/md2 |
| 23:16.45 | Azar | anything to prepare before installing grub and replacing lilo? |
| 23:17.07 | abrotman | your rescue floppy |
| 23:17.31 | Azar | uh abrotman I don't have a floppy drive |
| 23:17.37 | abrotman | rescue cd ? |
| 23:17.39 | politik | tcsetattr: thanks... no output from that though |
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| 23:17.54 | Azar | em yes, a woody cd on a sarge upgrade.. |
| 23:18.12 | Azar | so just install grub and reboot? |
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| 23:20.20 | lectures4ever | if I make mount point for a partition root2 / , what will become fo the partition /root ? |
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| 23:20.25 | S2AnGeL | how do I find out what repository I got moblock from.. is ther a dpkg command or something to find out where what file came from where? |
| 23:20.27 | abrotman | Azar: no .. a real one |
| 23:20.28 | lectures4ever | any educated guesses? |
| 23:20.34 | abrotman | :sing sussudio |
| 23:20.36 | lectures4ever | if I make mount point for a partition root2 / , what will become fo the partition /root ? any educated guesses? |
| 23:20.37 | abrotman | !sing sussudio |
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| 23:20.52 | Azar | ok installed grub, rebooted, and it works... now I don't know if it boots off lilo or grub :) |
| 23:21.07 | lectures4ever | if I make mount point for a partition root2 / , what will become fo the partition /root ? any educated guesses? |
| 23:21.18 | Azar | I have now both, lilo and grub :) |
| 23:21.24 | abrotman | you don't have both |
| 23:21.33 | Azar | abrotman: how do I find ? |
| 23:21.41 | abrotman | you search |
| 23:22.26 | antgel_ | !tell S2AnGeL about apt-file |
| 23:22.35 | antgel_ | S2AnGeL: sorry, i meant apt-cache policy |
| 23:22.45 | lectures4ever | if I make mount point for a partition root2 / , what will become fo the partition /root ? any educated guesses? |
| 23:23.04 | Azar | eh? ls /etc shows only lilo.conf... grub not there.. :( |
| 23:23.21 | lectures4ever | if I make mount point for a partition root2 / , what will become fo the partition /root ? any educated guesses? |
| 23:23.32 | lectures4ever | sorry for my insistence but i'm in deep deep doodoo |
| 23:23.51 | lectures4ever | "in too deep" if we're gonna start singing Phil Collins ! |
| 23:24.02 | lectures4ever | you know what i mean ? |
| 23:24.05 | Azar | abrotman: search: command not found |
| 23:24.11 | S2AnGeL | I don't have apt-file does this mean its worth while installing it? |
| 23:25.01 | abrotman | Azar: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 23:26.12 | Azar | damn... no grub, but I just installed it |
| 23:26.18 | Azar | is not in /boot |
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| 23:26.59 | S2AnGeL | apt-cache policy does not tell me what repository I apt-get installed the file from!!? |
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| 23:27.39 | S2AnGeL | I run moblock .. its great.. I want to install on anouthere system.. how do I simply find out where I have access to it from? |
| 23:27.46 | S2AnGeL | or is there no option this nice.. |
| 23:27.53 | tcsetattr | apt-cache policy tells you what repository it's found in _now_. if the rpository contents have changed since you installed, or you changed sources.list and updated, that can be different. |
| 23:27.55 | S2AnGeL | synaptic does not seem to have any info either |
| 23:28.14 | antgel_ | tcsetattr: good point |
| 23:29.09 | S2AnGeL | I did a apt-cache policy moblock-ipq and it gave me when it was installed and some "/var/lib/dpkg/status" |
| 23:29.10 | tcsetattr | what does moblock do? does it block your mo, or lock out the mob? |
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| 23:29.21 | S2AnGeL | its like peerguardian but for linux |
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| 23:29.30 | tcsetattr | oh, so it uards your peergs? |
| 23:29.38 | tcsetattr | that really didn't help :) |
| 23:29.39 | antgel_ | oh, just like peerguardian |
| 23:29.46 | antgel_ | *blank look* |
| 23:29.54 | S2AnGeL | well blocks out ipaddresses of bots by the record or movie industry |
| 23:30.08 | tcsetattr | oh yeah, I have heard of that. |
| 23:30.12 | antgel_ | those corporate wankers! |
| 23:30.15 | tcsetattr | how about you google it |
| 23:30.23 | S2AnGeL | well no fancy interface it just sorta runs in the background and updates every day.. really first class |
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| 23:30.43 | spheard | I have users :-/ How do I make sure that when I create files in their home they will have the appropriate permissions |
| 23:30.52 | S2AnGeL | yah thing is I always seem to need to know where I got what package from where.. |
| 23:31.05 | S2AnGeL | maybe I did remove the repository.. but I dunno |
| 23:31.13 | Azar | omg just typed : grub and now I don't know what to do! |
| 23:31.22 | S2AnGeL | ctrl z |
| 23:31.24 | S2AnGeL | or c |
| 23:31.33 | Azar | ahh thank you :) |
| 23:31.38 | tcsetattr | maybe if you look around in /usr/share/doc/moblock it'll tell you where it came from |
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| 23:32.50 | spheard | If I do chmod drwxr-xr-x blah |
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| 23:33.15 | S2AnGeL | humm.. I typed in the apt-cache policy icedove and it tells me what I need to know.. .. humm.. maybe I did move the repository.. i probly got it from a ubuntu repository then removed it.. |
| 23:33.19 | S2AnGeL | or |
| 23:33.30 | S2AnGeL | I just downloaded and installed it with dpkg -i |
| 23:33.34 | frankr | I have some Wav files, how can I burn them to an audio CD? |
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| 23:33.41 | S2AnGeL | k3b |
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| 23:33.56 | S2AnGeL | frankr: k3b is great for that stuff |
| 23:34.24 | Gm4n | I feel like a total noob asking this, but can anyone help me with applying a diff? =[ |
| 23:34.24 | frankr | S2AnGeL: A. I hate K3b B. too resource intensive |
| 23:34.26 | frankr | I need command line |
| 23:34.32 | frankr | cdrecord I thought could do it.. |
| 23:34.48 | antgel_ | frankr: it can |
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| 23:35.21 | frankr | antgel_: could you give me an example of how to use it, maybe? |
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| 23:35.41 | zwerg | Hi there. |
| 23:35.45 | h3sp4wn | Gm4n: a diff for what ? kernel patch ? |
| 23:35.56 | antgel_ | frankr: busy, but you get the same answer, man cdrecord :) |
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| 23:36.04 | lectures4ever | anyone know how I can extract my mysql databases? what location would they be in ? |
| 23:36.08 | Gm4n | actually, nevermind... just after I give up on doing it myself and ask here, I figure it out -_- |
| 23:36.22 | antgel_ | lectures4ever: do you ever read any documentation? |
| 23:36.34 | S2AnGeL | http://moblock-deb.sourceforge.net/ nice all the info is there boyz.. |
| 23:36.35 | RockerMONO | so, that install failed horibly |
| 23:36.41 | S2AnGeL | well I learned something new.. |
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| 23:37.08 | S2AnGeL | Gm4n:I do that alot |
| 23:37.12 | zwerg | Is the amd64 architecture also suitable for Athlon 64 X2 processors? |
| 23:37.16 | lectures4ever | antgel: please help |
| 23:37.24 | biopyte | hi. how do i make xlogin (XDM) transparent ... xlogin*background = ??? |
| 23:37.26 | S2AnGeL | zwerg:yup |
| 23:37.30 | spheard | how do I convert drwxr-xr-x to octals? |
| 23:37.33 | stoned | hola |
| 23:37.38 | antgel_ | lectures4ever: after the question i asked you? |
| 23:37.40 | zinx | sph: manually |
| 23:37.43 | antgel_ | stoned: duuuude! |
| 23:37.47 | stoned | hi |
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| 23:38.03 | zwerg | spheard: 755 |
| 23:38.20 | stoned | zwerg: he asked how, not what |
| 23:38.24 | zwerg | ;) |
| 23:38.30 | Lorinaa | hi |
| 23:38.39 | spheard | what will do |
| 23:38.43 | S2AnGeL | frankr: you would have to convert to what ever the proper raw format would be then something like that |
| 23:38.43 | stoned | !permissions |
| 23:38.44 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages |
| 23:38.58 | spheard | I recon someone should teach dpkg a new trick |
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| 23:39.48 | S2AnGeL | frankr I think its called sod or sox or something like that.. , sorry if I am no help all I can think of.. |
| 23:39.51 | zwerg | S2AnGeL: So it's the same -march as Athlon 64 or is further optimization possible? |
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| 23:40.04 | antgel_ | stoned: any chance you could /msg the bot? |
| 23:40.29 | frankr | ahhhhhhhh |
| 23:40.31 | S2AnGeL | zwerg: I imagine you can compile yourself and get better |
| 23:40.36 | frankr | I can't get this burner to work |
| 23:40.37 | stoned | antgel_: ?> |
| 23:40.49 | S2AnGeL | frankr: what type of burner? |
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| 23:41.03 | stoned | !hit antgel_ |
| 23:41.09 | zwerg | Don't want to end up and compile everything ;) |
| 23:41.25 | Lorinaa | except gcc, what do I need to compile a program please? ./configure tell me I can't create executable (binary) |
| 23:41.41 | stoned | !b-e Lorinaa |
| 23:41.41 | dpkg | Lorinaa: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
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| 23:41.51 | stoned | Lorinaa: what software is it? |
| 23:41.59 | Lorinaa | ah ok didn't know |
| 23:42.01 | Lorinaa | thanks |
| 23:42.01 | S2AnGeL | !hit stoned |
| 23:42.08 | S2AnGeL | nice |
| 23:42.17 | S2AnGeL | sorry about that |
| 23:42.19 | stoned | Lorinaa: if the software has been packaged for debian, you can just do apt-get build-dep blah |
| 23:42.31 | kanzure | Whoever was wondering with me about tty1 and the init-up procedures, adding runlevel 1 doesn't do a thing different. |
| 23:42.44 | tcsetattr | runlevel 1 is single-user mode. |
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| 23:43.53 | kanzure | tcsetattr: What is single-user mode? |
| 23:44.01 | kanzure | (Maybe I should try runlevel 0 next) |
| 23:44.10 | Azar | what we do when "no screens found" at startx ? |
| 23:44.29 | tcsetattr | you're messing with things you don't understand. |
| 23:44.30 | Azar | going with the reg "vi" driver |
| 23:44.35 | kanzure | Azar: My guess is that there's something about xf86-config that you need to mess with |
| 23:45.12 | Azar | kanzure: ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 like 3 times, enabled/disabled nvidia dri glcore... put them back.. |
| 23:45.16 | Lorinaa | stoned: links (a test) lol |
| 23:45.23 | Azar | same darn error |
| 23:45.41 | stoned | Azar: check logs |
| 23:45.46 | stoned | Azar: grep for EE |
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| 23:46.05 | kanzure | Azar: Well. That's as much as I can remember. Best to get somebody else to help you out there. |
| 23:46.24 | Azar | stoned: EE complains about loading GLcore and pex5 so heck I gave up on GLcore |
| 23:46.44 | Azar | also no valid framebuffer device |
| 23:47.11 | stoned | Azar: vi driver? |
| 23:47.20 | Azar | stoned: yeah, it gonna be a testing box.. |
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| 23:47.37 | stoned | for what? |
| 23:47.41 | Azar | I am trying to learn how to install grub :D |
| 23:47.43 | stoned | what are you going to tse |
| 23:47.49 | stoned | Azar: dude, what? |
| 23:47.50 | Azar | grub my man.. |
| 23:47.59 | stoned | Azar: but I thought you were debian savvy |
| 23:48.13 | Azar | before messing with _this_ box, I gonna test it on a junkie box |
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| 23:48.32 | stoned | ok |
| 23:48.34 | Azar | stoned: grub never worked for me, so I take time to learn about it |
| 23:48.44 | stoned | what do you mean it didn't work |
| 23:48.47 | Azar | stoned: I only worked with lilo so far |
| 23:48.51 | stoned | i see |
| 23:48.53 | Lorinaa | thx goodnight |
| 23:48.54 | stoned | grub is superior |
| 23:48.56 | Azar | well, it never booted |
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| 23:48.58 | stoned | Lorinaa: welcome |
| 23:49.09 | stoned | that sucks |
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| 23:49.22 | Azar | now, I installed grub and is not in /boot, then typed : grub and I freaked out I dont know what to do at grub> |
| 23:49.35 | Azar | :D |
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| 23:50.26 | zwerg | You actually don't need to run "grub" like lilo in order to install it. |
| 23:50.32 | Azar | well hell, who needs X on a testing box |
| 23:50.48 | Azar | zwerg: AH! man you are so right! |
| 23:51.10 | Azar | so I run /sbin/grub and reboot! |
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| 23:51.36 | Lorinaa | re |
| 23:52.27 | Lorinaa | well I can build links, but ssl has a problem |
| 23:52.29 | stoned | hmm |
| 23:52.39 | stoned | !install grub |
| 23:52.39 | dpkg | apt-get install grub; zless /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz; IGNORE everything in the man pages and the info pages for now. |
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| 23:54.30 | Lorinaa | --with-ssl=/usr/bin gives: ppkg-config script couldn't be found. Make sure it's in your path or set the pkg_config environment variable to the full path of pkg-config |
| 23:54.33 | Lorinaa | what can I do? |
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| 23:55.22 | stew | Lorinaa: why are you trying to compile links instead of just installing it using aptitude/apt-get ? |
| 23:55.32 | stoned | install pkg-config |
| 23:55.45 | stoned | hi stew |
| 23:55.48 | stew | stoned: hi |
| 23:55.49 | Lorinaa | I'm doing a little compile-test |
| 23:55.56 | Lorinaa | stew I've just done it |
| 23:56.01 | Lorinaa | do I have to login again? |
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| 23:56.32 | lectures4ever | ok after long trials, I'll make a clean install - please ideas on what to back up (i've already backed up a few things ) just making sure i'm not forgetting something |
| 23:57.03 | lectures4ever | please quick reminders as what else to back up from my system other than apache and mysql data ???? |
| 23:57.33 | antgel_ | lectures4ever: /etc, /home |
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| 23:57.55 | unlink | how do you create a new /var/lib/dpkg/available ? |
| 23:57.58 | stew | Lorinaa: in any case i think you probably want --with-ssl=/usr |
| 23:58.06 | Lorinaa | no installing pkg-config didn't change anything :( |
| 23:58.15 | stew | Lorinaa: apt-get build-dep links |
| 23:58.29 | lectures4ever | all of etc ???? |
| 23:58.32 | lectures4ever | all of var ??? |
| 23:59.12 | Lorinaa | beh, it depends on openssl (installed) and on pkg-config (installed). other dependencies? |
| 23:59.16 | unlink | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 195260 package `curl': |
| 23:59.20 | stew | Lorinaa: apt-get build-dep links |
| 23:59.28 | Lorinaa | ah ok |
| 23:59.39 | Lorinaa | I had not understoood correctly |
| 23:59.56 | stew | Lorinaa: of 'apt-cache showsrc links' if you want to inspect them manually |
