| 00:00.16 | lectures4ever | all i cared about (or thought i cared about) is www and mysql files, anything else (other than home) I should bother to bakcup ? |
| 00:02.02 | lectures4ever | any booting stuff I need to back up ? |
| 00:02.10 | unlink | how do i replace /var/lib/dpkg/available? |
| 00:02.56 | stew | unlink: dselect update |
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| 00:04.05 | lectures4ever | ok i challenge any of you to tell me a file or dir that's important to backup that I may have omitted |
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| 00:04.24 | Lorinaa | ok thx now I go to bed ++ |
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| 00:04.35 | lectures4ever | take my challenge first, ugh |
| 00:04.41 | lectures4ever | i challenge any of you to tell me a file or dir that's important to backup that I may have omitted |
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| 00:04.54 | lectures4ever | my guess is i backed up all that i need - prove me wrong !!!! |
| 00:04.55 | lectures4ever | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.06 | stew | lectures4ever: /var/mail? /var/lib/dpkg/status? ~/Desktop/My\ Pornography? |
| 00:06.25 | Azar | stoned, where do I put grub ? in root / ? |
| 00:06.33 | stoned | /boot/grub |
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| 00:06.46 | stoned | just install grub |
| 00:06.47 | lectures4ever | stew: what's in /var/lib/dpkg/status ? |
| 00:06.53 | Azar | grub-install /boot/grub ? |
| 00:06.54 | stoned | the package |
| 00:06.56 | stoned | no |
| 00:07.04 | stoned | grub-install /dev/device here |
| 00:07.07 | Azar | stoned: I did aptitude install grub |
| 00:07.08 | stoned | boot device |
| 00:07.16 | lectures4ever | how can anyone be stoned and deal with debian is beyond me |
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| 00:07.24 | stoned | or grub-install hd(0,0) |
| 00:07.25 | stew | lectures4ever: the status of all the installed packages on your system. if you wanted to reinstall another system with the same packages, it would be helpful. or save the output of "dpkg --get-selections" |
| 00:07.28 | stoned | i think you can specify like that too |
| 00:07.44 | Azar | hmm I don't see the boot location, just /dev/hda2 / ext3 |
| 00:07.50 | h3sp4wn | Afaik its only so simple if you have a seperate /boot |
| 00:07.51 | stoned | Azar: no |
| 00:07.57 | stoned | you have to install grub on a disk |
| 00:08.09 | stoned | Azar: if you want to install it on mbr then do so |
| 00:08.19 | Azar | oh if hda2 is root, hda is the boot ? |
| 00:08.20 | stoned | Azar: or you can install it in any partition, then set it as active |
| 00:08.25 | stoned | Azar: bingo |
| 00:08.31 | Azar | :) thanks |
| 00:08.32 | stoned | mbr |
| 00:08.58 | stew | stoned: active? |
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| 00:09.06 | stoned | yes |
| 00:09.10 | antgel_ | oxymoron |
| 00:09.23 | stew | stoned: you mean the bootable flag? |
| 00:09.31 | stoned | multiple boot loaders across several partitions, one has ntldr, one has grub one has.. yes, bootable flag |
| 00:09.42 | stoned | sorry I work with windows at work |
| 00:09.43 | stew | stoned: grub doesn't care about the bootable flag |
| 00:09.43 | thelostbutler | hello folks where can i find the linux-headers package for linux-image-2.6.21-2-686. i did ap-cache search 2.6.21 | grep head and i didn't find it. i am using unstable |
| 00:10.21 | stoned | stew: why not |
| 00:10.23 | clarity | is there a way i can make apt-get just install a single package |
| 00:10.35 | antgel_ | thelostbutler: unstable moves |
| 00:10.47 | h3sp4wn | thelostbutler: unstable is on 2.6.22 |
| 00:10.57 | stew | stoned: becuase it doesn't need to search partitions for a bootable flag when youare telling it "root=hd0,1" |
| 00:11.37 | lectures4ever | BTW, where are the iceweasel / mozilla / firefox bookmarks saved ?????\ |
| 00:11.46 | stew | lectures4ever: ~/.mozilla |
| 00:12.21 | stoned | stew: like I said I work with windows at work, ntldr cares, so one partition has it, and another has grub installed, i make grub active/bootflag on, when i want to boot debian, then i just switch it back to the windows partition, and reboot and the parition with ntldr boots |
| 00:12.24 | Azar | hmm it did not came with a menu.list |
| 00:12.32 | basti | lectures4ever: next time. create a part. for your home dir - just a suggestion |
| 00:12.33 | stoned | Azar: update-grub? |
| 00:12.37 | Azar | ah.. |
| 00:12.43 | thelostbutler | antgel, h3sp4wn: how is that the image package is there but not the headers ? |
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| 00:13.24 | stoned | stew: however I understand what you are saying, it makes sense. I suppose that is the purpose of root option |
| 00:13.41 | basti | does anyone know how to get the videos from http://www.heavy.com/ to work with iceweasel? it seems they use flash. i recently installed the newest version from macromedia |
| 00:13.50 | thelostbutler | the thing is need that headers for installation of vmware. so wuold i just download the kernel from kernel.org and use that ? |
| 00:14.01 | antgel_ | thelostbutler: i can't repeat myself. /msg dpkg unstable |
| 00:14.08 | stoned | I really should boot grub for NT to load my linux partition instead of doing the partition bootflag switch |
| 00:14.16 | stoned | I guess I'll work on it tomorrow |
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| 00:14.27 | MangosDebian | fsck me gently with a chainsaw. mtu's suck! :) |
| 00:15.12 | stoned | heh, there is this girl that comes in and likes to hang out around computers |
| 00:15.14 | stoned | at work |
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| 00:15.24 | stoned | I been talking to her, I might get to pull some hair this weekened |
| 00:15.25 | antgel_ | stoned: url to .jpg? |
| 00:15.26 | stoned | :D |
| 00:15.31 | kanzure | What does it take to 'quickly' hook up an additional monitor? |
| 00:16.06 | stoned | kanzure: configured xorg.conf for dual monitor, or very easy with ati big desktop or nvidia twinview |
| 00:16.22 | stoned | kanzure: hardware wise, either two video cards, or one with dual monitor support |
| 00:16.35 | kanzure | stoned: So do I have to go through xorg.conf, or is there a way to do that while already in X? (i.e., maybe through KDE?) |
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| 00:16.52 | stoned | kanzure: you can modify xorg.conf while you are in X |
| 00:16.58 | kanzure | stoned: alright |
| 00:17.15 | stoned | you can look at google and find tutorials etc. and side by side, edit it, make sure its good, then it only takes effect if you restart X |
| 00:17.34 | stoned | dont' forget to backup your original xorg.conf |
| 00:17.37 | lectures4ever | what's important to backup other than home , apache and mysql ? |
| 00:17.47 | Azar | stoned: should I remove lilo before reboot? |
| 00:17.53 | stoned | Azar: sure |
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| 00:17.59 | antgel_ | lectures4ever: ffs. it's your box. you should have some clue. i told you /etc |
| 00:18.04 | Azar | thanks man |
| 00:18.08 | stoned | sure man |
| 00:18.17 | stoned | lectures4ever: I like to ghost partitions |
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| 00:19.17 | stoned | I like to keep everything seperate partitions |
| 00:19.18 | stoned | +on |
| 00:19.31 | lectures4ever | stoned: me too |
| 00:19.31 | DawnLight | what can i help whom with |
| 00:19.51 | stoned | DawnLight: you can help me figure out if i want to stay with this girl, or get a new one |
| 00:19.53 | lectures4ever | now you show up ? |
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| 00:20.09 | evilgeek | how does one build a debian package from a debian source package? |
| 00:20.15 | stoned | lectures4ever: you can backup config files from /etc |
| 00:20.19 | stoned | the ones you know you'll need |
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| 00:20.25 | lectures4ever | i did |
| 00:20.26 | lectures4ever | :) |
| 00:20.29 | evilgeek | (so i apt-get source foo, and i compile foo. how do i get an installable debian package out of this?) |
| 00:20.30 | stoned | I usually backup smb.conf, vsftpd.conf and etc. etc. |
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| 00:20.39 | stoned | so i dont' have to reconfigure the services etc. |
| 00:20.49 | Azar | :D |
| 00:20.49 | stoned | !maint-guide |
| 00:20.49 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 00:20.53 | DawnLight | stoned: debian-alternatives, if i remember correctly |
| 00:20.55 | stoned | !pacakge basics |
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| 00:20.58 | tcsetattr | evilgeek, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 00:21.00 | Azar | !beer my friend stoned |
| 00:21.05 | stoned | hmm |
| 00:21.17 | stoned | !package basics |
| 00:21.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html, or see Debian New Maintainers' Guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 00:21.35 | evilgeek | tcsetattr: wicked. thanks. |
| 00:21.43 | stoned | evilgeek: dont' forget to read the above links |
| 00:21.44 | stoned | please |
| 00:21.45 | DawnLight | stoned: what do we want from the relationship? |
| 00:22.09 | tcsetattr | beware the weirdness of deb building: you run it in the source directory and it dumps output into the parent! |
| 00:22.18 | stoned | DawnLight: my folks want me to marry her, and family too, and I thought I was in love with her all my life, and now the time is close, marriage is upon me, soon, and I'm scared |
| 00:22.21 | stoned | :( |
| 00:22.41 | stoned | tcsetattr: heh |
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| 00:22.56 | stoned | I thought it was expected behaviour |
| 00:23.00 | basti | what kind of wmv plugin for firefox can navigate thorugh the embed files? at this time i only the the video without a navi bar |
| 00:23.04 | tcsetattr | never heard of anything else that puts its output in the PARENT of the cwd. |
| 00:23.04 | DawnLight | go on stoned |
| 00:23.19 | tcsetattr | have you ever seen anything outside of debian do that? |
| 00:23.22 | stoned | basti: mplayer-mozilla + w32codecs |
| 00:23.24 | Azar | marry? oh noooo you are too young man! |
| 00:23.45 | stoned | tcsetattr: no I have not |
| 00:24.11 | stoned | basti: I think... I'm not sure |
| 00:24.13 | lectures4ever | I have an urgent question: i'm installing a debian now and installer CAN see my partitions, what do I set the partition i want for root to ? Ext3 journaling file system and mount point / ?? |
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| 00:24.25 | lectures4ever | Dawnlight: I have an urgent question: i'm installing a debian now and installer CAN see my partitions, what do I set the partition i want for root to ? Ext3 journaling file system and mount point / ?? |
| 00:24.27 | antgel_ | stoned: if it's right, really right, you'll just feel it. if you don't bail. seriously. for all your sakes. |
| 00:24.28 | stoned | lectures4ever: yes |
| 00:24.33 | lectures4ever | thanks |
| 00:24.35 | lectures4ever | you sure ? |
| 00:24.38 | basti | stoned: i think i´m using this right now.. |
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| 00:24.51 | antgel_ | stoned: also, make sure your paranoia isn't weed-induced |
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| 00:25.21 | stoned | she is beautiful, brilliant, sexy, smart, almost finished with medical school, I've known her all my life, and I am starting to like white girls now |
| 00:25.24 | stoned | heh |
| 00:25.28 | UncleD | Any mail server admins around who use postfix w/ debian? Got a question for you. |
| 00:25.31 | stoned | i dunno whats up with me, but whatever |
| 00:25.34 | basti | lol |
| 00:25.38 | stoned | its gonna go on and on and become really ot |
| 00:25.40 | stoned | fuck it |
| 00:25.44 | antgel_ | UncleD: ask |
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| 00:26.12 | lectures4ever | why does the installer prompt me to install LILO instead of GRUB ???? |
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| 00:26.46 | stoned | because i think if grub fails for some reason, it gives you an option to install lilo |
| 00:26.48 | DawnLight | lectures4ever: why don't you go with the recommended scheme |
| 00:26.51 | stoned | but i think its in expert mode only maybe |
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| 00:26.53 | stoned | i can't remember |
| 00:27.06 | lectures4ever | DawnLight: which is what ? |
| 00:27.06 | evilgeek | stoned: why? i really couldn't care less how to build a debian package for distribution to other debian users --- i've tried in the past, even after reading the maintainers' guide. |
| 00:27.27 | stoned | evilgeek: because it tells you what to do |
| 00:27.42 | stoned | evilgeek: it walks you through creation of packages |
| 00:27.46 | evilgeek | right, but it also tells me lots of things that i don't really want to do. |
| 00:27.51 | stoned | evilgeek: what you do with them is your choice |
| 00:27.59 | stoned | evilgeek: then only absorb what you want |
| 00:28.12 | stoned | if you want to learn how to make a pacakge for deb , then that is the resource |
| 00:28.14 | evilgeek | stoned: but that's what i don't want to do. i want to get a .deb that i can install from a source package. |
| 00:28.17 | lectures4ever | do I run tasksel during or after the installation ? |
| 00:28.19 | evilgeek | stoned: right, but i don't. |
| 00:28.26 | stoned | ignore it and ask for spoonfeeding here, or be smart and learn |
| 00:28.28 | stoned | your choice |
| 00:28.50 | stoned | evilgeek: yes, and it tells you how to do that |
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| 00:29.01 | stoned | I pasted another link after the maint guide for that reason |
| 00:29.01 | DawnLight | stoned: do you want to go into a marriage like that |
| 00:29.08 | evilgeek | stoned: all i needed was the 50-byte answer "< tcsetattr> evilgeek, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot." |
| 00:29.25 | stoned | evilgeek: and I don't like to see spoonfeeding going on. |
| 00:29.29 | stoned | but thats just me |
| 00:29.36 | tcsetattr | oh you'll need more. but you just don't know it yet. |
| 00:29.41 | evilgeek | stoned: my question wasn't "i want to become a debian developer; where do i start?" --- i had a specific task to accomplish. |
| 00:29.47 | stoned | tcsetattr: how right |
| 00:29.48 | stoned | :) |
| 00:29.50 | evilgeek | tcsetattr: perhaps. |
| 00:29.56 | stoned | !package basics |
| 00:29.57 | dpkg | methinks package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html, or see Debian New Maintainers' Guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 00:30.03 | stoned | obviously, you did NOT know the basics |
| 00:30.10 | stoned | would you mind learning them? |
| 00:30.13 | evilgeek | tcsetattr: but your answer was all i needed for the moment, and probably all i'll need to know for the next six months. |
| 00:30.14 | stoned | it would prove useful |
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| 00:30.49 | evilgeek | stoned: it would? i don't plan on becoming a debian developer. all i want to do is make small hacks to existing packages so that they do what i want. |
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| 00:31.11 | stoned | whatever |
| 00:31.23 | evilgeek | there we go, that's the response i was looking for =) |
| 00:31.24 | stoned | the answer to your question was there |
| 00:31.27 | stoned | you just don't want to read |
| 00:31.29 | evilgeek | cheerio. |
| 00:31.34 | lectures4ever | Question: in TASKSEL do I select [] Standard System in addition to [] Dsktop Environmt ? or is the latter enough ? |
| 00:31.41 | stoned | becuase you are a lazy fuck who wants to eg spoonfed with commands and not read a damn thing |
| 00:31.41 | evilgeek | yes, the answer to my question was there. so were a lot of things that are not the answer to my question. |
| 00:31.45 | UncleD | antgel_: get my msg? |
| 00:31.45 | antgel_ | UncleD: i've just noticed you've been msg'ing me. please don't. have a read of the topic and ask in the channel, if you can get a word in |
| 00:31.51 | stoned | have at it man |
| 00:31.53 | evilgeek | yeah, pretty much. |
| 00:31.53 | lectures4ever | stoned: i read man i read a lot |
| 00:32.00 | lectures4ever | Question: in TASKSEL do I select [] Standard System in addition to [] Dsktop Environmt ? or is the latter enough ? |
| 00:32.00 | stoned | lectures4ever: thats good :) |
| 00:32.04 | DawnLight | no matter how many fish we can throw at a person, if he'll like debian, he'll eventually get the picture and start reading docs |
| 00:32.08 | UncleD | antgel_: ok |
| 00:32.13 | lectures4ever | it's just after 7 hours of failed upgrade downgrades and installs, |
| 00:32.16 | lectures4ever | i get tired |
| 00:32.17 | evilgeek | lectures4ever: tasksel is not the right thing to do. |
| 00:32.22 | antgel_ | UncleD: "ask" doesn't mean "/msg" |
| 00:32.25 | lectures4ever | evilgeek: why ? |
| 00:32.33 | UncleD | I'm writing some mailing software on a debian server for my company that requires ip rotation for sending mail. This is not for spam, it is however for news letters that people subscribe to that get (rate limited per ip) when our mailing server sends them out after publication. I'd like to know how to rotate ips after X num of emails sent in a fashion to overcome this challenge. Any suggestions? |
| 00:32.42 | evilgeek | lectures4ever: because the categories it has are a bit too coarse-grained. |
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| 00:33.08 | UncleD | There is smtp_bind_address but I don't know of any other way without hacking the source this could be accomplished without a seperate instance of postfix running on each ip. |
| 00:33.12 | evilgeek | lectures4ever: the algorithm i use is to install a package exactly when i need it. |
| 00:33.19 | lectures4ever | so you saying just let install a desktop environment for the time being, and do the rest with apt-get , right ? |
| 00:33.22 | lectures4ever | or don't let install anything ? |
| 00:33.23 | evilgeek | lectures4ever: so, if i want kde: 'aptitude install kde.' |
| 00:33.31 | lectures4ever | i hear you buddy |
| 00:33.32 | stoned | lectures4ever: don't pick anything |
| 00:33.38 | XtypeWriter74 | Thlöwenzahn |
| 00:33.40 | evilgeek | i begin with a completely bare system and use the above algorithm. |
| 00:33.49 | lectures4ever | well but xorg-server is iffy |
| 00:33.50 | stoned | lectures4ever: no desktop env. no mysql, no nothing... just go past it |
| 00:33.55 | antgel_ | UncleD: i imagine that exim can do it, it has a very powerful macro language. but you may want to ask in #exim. if you want to use postfix, i'm clueless |
| 00:33.56 | lectures4ever | i'd rather he deals with it first |
| 00:34.19 | stoned | Azar: hey how did it work out |
| 00:34.29 | Azar | stoned: unbelievable, man! |
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| 00:34.35 | stoned | is it workinmg |
| 00:35.09 | stoned | you got grub now/ |
| 00:35.09 | Azar | never thought gonna be so easy... I was trying it back when woody was stable.. never worked back then |
| 00:35.09 | Azar | working without a blink |
| 00:35.09 | stoned | it was a bit iffy in those days |
| 00:35.09 | stoned | man |
| 00:35.11 | stoned | that was a long time ago damn |
| 00:35.14 | antgel_ | stoned: i've never seen you, but i imagine you to look like the long-haired stoner in the (excellent) film dazed & confused |
| 00:35.15 | stoned | I feel old now |
| 00:35.15 | stoned | lol |
| 00:35.22 | Azar | yeah that why I was so scared of it... |
| 00:35.24 | stoned | antgel_: not at all |
| 00:35.37 | DawnLight | UncleD: i hear exim is allmighty. perhaps you won't be needing to write as much |
| 00:35.50 | benjamindees | my deb sources are saying "failed to open file"; is this a known problem? |
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| 00:35.56 | Azar | stoned: you moved ? |
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| 00:36.06 | stoned | antgel_: you are WAY off |
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| 00:36.14 | lectures4ever | to automount partitions I simply need to put them in /etc/fstab only ? |
| 00:36.20 | lectures4ever | or do I make another settings ? |
| 00:36.27 | EJ | is this a help channel for Debian or is there another i should be looking for ? |
| 00:36.31 | lectures4ever | s/settings/setting |
| 00:36.43 | lectures4ever | EJ: this is it |
| 00:36.44 | antgel_ | stoned: *shrug* my irssi webcam plugin's not working. you seen the film |
| 00:36.46 | lectures4ever | like Coke |
| 00:36.46 | EJ | cool |
| 00:36.50 | Azar | EJ, debian only, not derived distros from Debian |
| 00:36.51 | antgel_ | EJ: in between flaming, yes |
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| 00:36.52 | UncleD | DawnLight: I've heard that also. I even ran it for a short time. |
| 00:36.55 | benjamindees | er rather is this a known problem with apt; do I have to use aptitude now or something? |
| 00:36.57 | stoned | antgel_: http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/Hash.now.jpg |
| 00:36.59 | lectures4ever | and trolling |
| 00:37.27 | stoned | Azar: no man, i couldn't get the apt, it was rented out 1 hour after being posted on craigs list |
| 00:37.28 | antgel_ | stoned: you couldn't look more different, heh |
| 00:37.30 | [GNU]Order_ | I'm getting a delay with creating a group in debian. Any idea what might be causing that? |
| 00:37.31 | stoned | it went by fast |
| 00:37.36 | antgel_ | lectures4ever: yes, don't forget the trolling |
| 00:37.39 | EJ | have a question as i am pretty new to Debian but use Slackware often. I am trying to install ndiswrapper on a fresh install |
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| 00:37.41 | stoned | antgel_: you never would have guessed |
| 00:37.46 | DawnLight | lectures4ever: fstab is all you need. man fstab |
| 00:37.47 | Azar | stoned: damn.... |
| 00:37.51 | stoned | antgel_: I'm a pothead, but im a good looking clean and responsible pothead |
| 00:37.55 | litage_ | i'm mirroring part of the debian archive and have specified that source packages should not be mirrored. however, i've found many *.tar.gz files that have been mirrored. i understand that *.orig.tar.gz files belong to source packages. what do *.tar.gz files belong to? |
| 00:38.03 | stoned | I don't mess around i take care of what i need to take care of first |
| 00:38.09 | EJ | Slack install header files automatically, how do i do this with Debian |
| 00:38.19 | antgel_ | stoned: heh have you seen the film? not one for the movie purist, but still a cracker |
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| 00:38.58 | DawnLight | Ej: you mean linux kernel headers? |
| 00:38.58 | jetscreamer | who is that geek, stoned? :p |
| 00:39.00 | stoned | antgel_: high school girls |
| 00:39.02 | EJ | yeah |
| 00:39.08 | stoned | i get older, they stay the same age |
| 00:39.12 | stoned | that guy was cool man |
| 00:39.16 | DawnLight | Ej: automatically when what? |
| 00:39.16 | stoned | whole movie was great |
| 00:39.21 | Azar | stoned: damn isn't that so true |
| 00:39.25 | stoned | jetscreamer: yup |
| 00:39.27 | stoned | jetscreamer: me |
| 00:39.45 | antgel_ | stoned: YES! great line |
| 00:39.57 | zea | if I want to compile a library for /emul/ia32-linux in etch x86_64, how do I go about that? what must I say to the configure script? i ask this because ia32-libs is lacking some libs I need (e.g., libsigc++ 2.0.2) |
| 00:39.59 | Azar | pssss stoned: did you see the latest movie "I now pronounce you Stoned and Rahul" ? |
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| 00:40.11 | stoned | Azar: dude I swear to god I'll beat you up |
| 00:40.12 | stoned | :) |
| 00:40.16 | Azar | :) |
| 00:40.20 | EJ | well i do a fresh install of Slack and dont have to worry about anything when i go to install ndiswrapper, but when i do this with Debian its giving me errors. 1 sec and i'll get the msg 4 you if needed |
| 00:41.07 | Azar | EJ are you in fact speaking of a fresh Debian 4.0 install? |
| 00:41.12 | DawnLight | Ej: are you using module-assistant to build and install ndiswrapper? |
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| 00:41.23 | EJ | yes i386 |
| 00:41.30 | jetscreamer | i never did wireless before and ndiswrapper worked first time |
| 00:41.36 | jetscreamer | it's working atm |
| 00:42.00 | antgel_ | jetscreamer: but you probably read the docs |
| 00:42.11 | DawnLight | spooky driver magick |
| 00:42.24 | jetscreamer | yeh and tried the acx100 first |
| 00:42.32 | jetscreamer | which didn't do wpa |
| 00:42.37 | EJ | Cant find kernel build files in /lib/modules/2/6/18-4-696/build; give path to kernel build dir with KBUILD |
| 00:42.54 | rahul | heh |
| 00:42.55 | jetscreamer | try the headers |
| 00:42.59 | rahul | !penixstrike Azar |
| 00:42.59 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Azar to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 00:43.03 | jetscreamer | do you know where they are? |
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| 00:43.15 | stoned | rahul: hey |
| 00:43.18 | unlink | stew: that has no effect, when i try to install a package, it tells me there's a syntax error |
| 00:43.20 | jetscreamer | or have you even installed the headers, ej? |
| 00:43.25 | stoned | I thought you'd be aborted by now |
| 00:43.27 | unlink | stew: but i remembered the workaround; rm and touch it |
| 00:43.28 | stoned | I mean, abroad |
| 00:43.31 | Azar | rahul!! :) |
| 00:43.49 | benjamindees | okay I see the problem. since ftp.us.debian.org is a round-robin, is there a reliable list of mirrors with sources? |
| 00:43.50 | EJ | thats my question, with Slack i have never had to install the headers, how do i do this with Debian |
| 00:43.50 | Azar | EJ if you want to inspect a Debian 4.0 Desktop installation : http://www.howtoforge.com/the_perfect_desktop_debian_etch |
| 00:44.06 | stoned | rahul: whats been up man |
| 00:44.15 | rahul | random shit |
| 00:44.21 | rahul | I saw muse last night |
| 00:44.24 | jetscreamer | try apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 00:44.27 | DawnLight | EJ: follow closely http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper |
| 00:44.29 | jetscreamer | paste it |
| 00:44.43 | EJ | thank you DawnLight thats what i was looking for |
| 00:44.54 | EJ | just a point in the right direction :DDDDD |
| 00:45.00 | jetscreamer | i know ma installs be if needed, but does it do the headers also? |
| 00:45.03 | rahul | those guys know how to send a chill down your spine |
| 00:45.38 | DawnLight | i don't want chills down my spine |
| 00:45.41 | Azar | going back to work after a 2 month at home sucks |
| 00:46.01 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 00:46.07 | rahul | Azar: eh, it can be refreshing |
| 00:46.15 | rahul | you need a more fun job :) |
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| 00:46.19 | Azar | rahul: it was the first 2 days.... then I got tired |
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| 00:46.26 | jetscreamer | try after a few years of being your own boss and never having to go anywhere if you don't want to :( |
| 00:46.27 | Azar | I only come home to sleep |
| 00:46.36 | rahul | ugh |
| 00:46.53 | jetscreamer | few being 15 |
| 00:46.59 | Azar | jetscreamer: own boss means assuming all responsibilities.... is even harder work |
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| 00:47.15 | jetscreamer | enron started it, metro rail finished me off |
| 00:47.17 | TCW | re |
| 00:47.23 | TCW | Paul Brossier around? :) |
| 00:47.29 | Azar | IT is jerking me now, I lost all passwords and accesses... |
| 00:47.30 | jetscreamer | nah i had it automated |
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| 00:48.18 | TCW | He's the mainatiner of "kino" |
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| 00:48.24 | TCW | maintainer even |
| 00:48.29 | RockerMONO | this is totally off subject...but does anyone know how to get rid of 4 spider eggs and hundreds of little spiders living inside of a computer? |
| 00:48.41 | Azar | TCW: nobody uses his name here... |
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| 00:48.51 | TCW | RockerMONO, no kidding? |
| 00:48.57 | basti | radioactivity |
| 00:49.00 | Azar | RockerMONO: man you are so lucky |
| 00:49.01 | kenji | guys in my company we need to choose between solaris and linux But my boss needs convincing arguments, can you help me to make it choose linux giving me good arguments (the sellers of sun made effect in him) |
| 00:49.06 | DawnLight | i used to have spiders as pets |
| 00:49.13 | DawnLight | like as a hobby |
| 00:49.20 | jetscreamer | RockerMONO: take it outside and take the leafblower to it |
| 00:49.27 | Azar | kenji: go with the one who has the strongest legal team |
| 00:49.29 | RockerMONO | TCW: nope... that's the price you pay for getting a 12 year old computer from someones garage |
| 00:49.30 | beoba | what's the best way of disabling a daemon that's listed in init.d, such that the daemon's config files arent blown away? i'm thinking "chmod -x /etc/init.d/daemon" but wanted to check |
| 00:49.33 | TCW | kenji, do you have their arguments? |
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| 00:49.35 | stoned | DawnLight: I collect porn and guitar |
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| 00:49.46 | clarity | how do you configure xorg? |
| 00:49.58 | stoned | DawnLight: I have 5 guitars *(bought with me own money)* and well.. lots of the other one |
| 00:50.00 | basti | vi and xorg.conf |
| 00:50.04 | stoned | !drxx |
| 00:50.05 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 00:50.07 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.12 | rahul | beoba: dpkg --remove <package> |
| 00:50.29 | Azar | beoba: use top, or nicer, install and use htop |
| 00:50.29 | rahul | beoba: remove leaves config files around, purge goes the next step and deletes configs |
| 00:50.32 | beoba | rahul: so not-purging will leave configs intact? |
| 00:50.34 | kenji | TCW he say that solaris is better xD |
| 00:50.38 | rahul | beoba: correct |
| 00:50.41 | beoba | okay that should work :) |
| 00:50.42 | beoba | thanks |
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| 00:50.47 | TCW | kanjthat is not an "argument" |
| 00:51.00 | stoned | i mean |
| 00:51.00 | jetscreamer | easiest? chmod -x /etc/init.d/whatever |
| 00:51.01 | stoned | really |
| 00:51.07 | DawnLight | lots? |
| 00:51.07 | stoned | you can't argue against solaris |
| 00:51.08 | stoned | imo |
| 00:51.17 | karsten | kenji: Linux: commodity OS, commodity hardware, runs on anything (x86, AMD-64, IA64, strongarm, PowerPC, zSeries, etc.), huge application availability, very easy management. |
| 00:51.18 | kenji | TCW He says that solaris is not a toy like linux, that ningun bank uses linux |
| 00:51.25 | Azar | stoned: as I said: the strongest legal team |
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| 00:51.32 | stoned | yup |
| 00:51.33 | kenji | karsten he bought two solaris servers |
| 00:51.34 | rahul | kenji: IBM uses linux |
| 00:51.47 | kenji | rahul He says that solaris is not a toy like linux, that ningun bank uses linux |
| 00:51.51 | jetscreamer | ms uses linux... |
| 00:52.01 | stoned | hey me too |
| 00:52.01 | karsten | Sun's got some legacy enterprise apps (though most of these are now very well supported on RHEL and increasingly Ubuntu). |
| 00:52.02 | TCW | kenji, a strange argument... |
| 00:52.04 | stoned | I also use linux |
| 00:52.22 | antgel_ | AOL |
| 00:52.22 | Azar | online banking is still retarded |
| 00:52.22 | DawnLight | ms uses linux?/ |
| 00:52.34 | rahul | kenji: so is that an argument for or against linux? |
| 00:52.37 | karsten | kenji: If the decision's been made, it's been made. The most persuasive argument _you_ can make is to quit for a shop that runs Linux. |
| 00:52.59 | karsten | kenji: OTOH, you can run Linux just fine on any HW Sun produces. |
| 00:53.08 | jetscreamer | they have a major linux research lab... and don't even bother thinking it's to give back to the community |
| 00:53.16 | DawnLight | i was astonished to find out how much MS SQL Server costs |
| 00:53.18 | stoned | jetscreamer: Spawn of Possession |
| 00:53.24 | TCW | kenji, it is not a toy anymore since... uhm... dunno, years ago. Major company do use Linux productively in massive environments. If one still means Linux is a toy he is obviously an idiot imho. |
| 00:53.25 | rahul | it's just that HW sun produces is rather expensive |
| 00:53.34 | Azar | at my workplace we use mixed systems, one of which is RH... imo best support, and most reliable than any |
| 00:53.47 | stoned | sun is god |
| 00:53.48 | karsten | kenji: I'm sitting at a shop that's got a slew of Sun v40s and Starfires running various RHEL and SuSE releases. |
| 00:53.50 | stoned | er.. good* |
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| 00:54.05 | jetscreamer | centos>rhel |
| 00:54.17 | h3sp4wn | true but there is Sun boxes that have been running for longer than Linux has been in existence |
| 00:54.20 | LiorKamer | how i can install java for firfox? |
| 00:54.21 | antgel_ | !start an os war |
| 00:54.21 | dpkg | Unix is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 00:54.26 | karsten | kenji: Anyhow, without a bit of justification for why he's gone the course he's gone, and even then, this is likely OT. |
| 00:54.31 | antgel_ | !start a distro war |
| 00:54.32 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 00:54.33 | LiorKamer | apt-get install ....? |
| 00:54.35 | lectures4ever | DawnLight: thanks a lot |
| 00:54.37 | stoned | !install java |
| 00:54.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk or sun-java6-jdk package from non-free if you're using ... |
| 00:54.47 | stoned | LiorKamer: ^^ |
| 00:54.49 | Garda | i get an error when trying to compile wine |
| 00:54.50 | Garda | http://pastebin.ca/649308 |
| 00:54.51 | karsten | h3sp4wn: Dude, 17 year uptime? |
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| 00:54.58 | Garda | anyone have any suggestions? |
| 00:55.01 | lectures4ever | lol |
| 00:55.03 | stoned | whats wrong with the wine package? |
| 00:55.11 | lectures4ever | 17 years |
| 00:55.14 | lectures4ever | mwahahah |
| 00:55.15 | h3sp4wn | karsten: same hardware other than disks that have been changed |
| 00:55.23 | lectures4ever | what's your arch? PDP-11 ? |
| 00:55.29 | antgel_ | my cock has a 30 year uptime |
| 00:55.36 | antgel_ | jesus, time for bed |
| 00:55.40 | antgel_ | sorry, later all |
| 00:55.47 | jetscreamer | antgel_: that must hurt by now |
| 00:55.52 | stoned | lol |
| 00:55.52 | lectures4ever | lol |
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| 00:56.00 | lectures4ever | i was about to say the same |
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| 00:56.17 | lectures4ever | sue your pharmacists and kellogg's |
| 00:56.33 | lectures4ever | and maybe some TV stars |
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| 00:56.56 | karsten | h3sp4wn: I could see some phone switch and SCADA systems with theoretical uptimes of that scope, but we're talking pretty specialized systems here. |
| 00:57.01 | lectures4ever | see? your honour? this bulge has cost many a date |
| 00:57.02 | warlocky--- | I'm having a major problem with postfix, I did a apt-get install postfix and its not sending any emails to me through my php script, any ideas why? Do I need to configurate anything? |
| 00:57.08 | LiorKamer | i install but it isnt help i need java runtime enviorment |
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| 00:57.23 | lectures4ever | what's a good tex reader? |
| 00:57.26 | Azar | hehe Don Quijote de Raadt started a cpu war |
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| 00:57.40 | lectures4ever | is tex readable with readers like ps and pdf? |
| 00:57.47 | karsten | Azar: Do tell. |
| 00:57.58 | lectures4ever | and what's the relationship between tex and latex |
| 00:58.00 | stoned | LiorKamer: /msg dpkg non-free and install sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-plugin |
| 00:58.01 | stoned | etc. |
| 00:58.14 | karsten | lectures4ever: tex is ascii. You generate dvi with it, and go from dvi to PS/PDF, in general. |
| 00:58.16 | DawnLight | warlocky---: usually after installing a package one goes to /usr/share/doc/packagename and reads whats there |
| 00:58.18 | Azar | karsten: as usual, sparkly like a 4th of July parade http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2007/8/2/15233/84896 |
| 00:58.24 | norbert_ | ehm, I still don't really understand the http_proxy thing, when I export that it seems to work for wget but not for some other programs, is there a way to make /all/ programs I could run in that terminal use the proxy? |
| 00:58.30 | karsten | lectures4ever: LaTeX is a set of macros on top of TeX. |
| 00:58.39 | lectures4ever | karsten: thanks a lot |
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| 00:58.57 | lectures4ever | so you don't read tex per se any more than say read an html file right ? |
| 00:59.20 | DawnLight | right |
| 00:59.23 | Garda | is there such a package libc6-dev-i386 |
| 00:59.27 | lectures4ever | thanks |
| 00:59.27 | DawnLight | you write tex |
| 00:59.32 | Garda | cos i have libc6-i386 |
| 00:59.39 | Garda | but can't find the other one |
| 00:59.40 | jetscreamer | no just libc6-dev |
| 00:59.42 | simonrvn | Garda: no since that would be useless |
| 00:59.48 | stoned | hey |
| 00:59.50 | simonrvn | Garda: just what jetscreamer said |
| 00:59.51 | lectures4ever | Garda: yes definitely |
| 00:59.52 | karsten | lectures4ever: A lot of folks author directly in TeX or LaTeX. It's pretty human-readable (more so than HTML or especially most XML DTDs). |
| 00:59.52 | stoned | look whos here |
| 00:59.53 | LiorKamer | what the command i dont understand |
| 00:59.54 | simonrvn | hi folks |
| 00:59.55 | lectures4ever | maybe libc++ |
| 01:00.01 | Azar | yee, mister simonrvn is here! |
| 01:00.02 | stoned | simonrvn: whats up dude man homie bro |
| 01:00.20 | lectures4ever | hi simonrvn |
| 01:00.22 | simonrvn | not much, gonna go do some beading after i get some food at the store |
| 01:00.24 | stoned | i'd say the n-word but its illegal here in the good state of ny |
| 01:00.24 | karsten | lectures4ever: However you'd generally not send someone a TeX / LaTeX file unless they wanted to revise it themselves. |
| 01:00.32 | lectures4ever | ok |
| 01:00.35 | simonrvn | lectures4ever: did you manage to get your box going again? |
| 01:00.37 | stoned | way to go free speech |
| 01:00.43 | lectures4ever | simonrvn: yes |
| 01:00.49 | lectures4ever | :) |
| 01:00.50 | simonrvn | lectures4ever: yay :) |
| 01:00.54 | Azar | stoned: it should be in fact replaced with "my homie clinton" |
| 01:00.55 | lectures4ever | hehehe :) |
| 01:01.01 | jetscreamer | beading? as in making beads, or what? |
| 01:01.13 | stoned | beading? |
| 01:01.16 | stoned | wtf |
| 01:01.19 | simonrvn | beadwork as in stitching etc. |
| 01:01.28 | stoned | who is talking about beading? |
| 01:01.29 | Azar | I found it cozy: beading, instead of sleeping |
| 01:01.31 | stoned | oh |
| 01:01.34 | simonrvn | bead loom... also called seed beads |
| 01:01.35 | stoned | ok |
| 01:01.36 | stoned | you are |
| 01:01.45 | stoned | simonrvn: good stuff |
| 01:01.47 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 01:01.50 | stoned | simonrvn: i know these couple of stoners |
| 01:02.01 | stoned | simonrvn they make hemp stuff, and bead it |
| 01:02.09 | karsten | Azar: K5 matters? |
| 01:02.09 | jetscreamer | clinton.... isn't he the guy who let bush have a reason to get elected? |
| 01:02.13 | stoned | sell necklaces bracelets etc |
| 01:02.14 | simonrvn | cool. not the same kind of beads =) |
| 01:02.23 | stoned | no hemp jewelery |
| 01:02.26 | stoned | hemp is not pot |
| 01:02.34 | stoned | its just twine or something |
| 01:02.36 | stoned | whateer |
| 01:02.37 | lectures4ever | why not? |
| 01:02.38 | stoned | argh |
| 01:02.42 | Azar | karsten: I guess it was just a deliberate chain jerking for senor Theo... nothing really of importance :) |
| 01:02.43 | simonrvn | nope, sure isn't. try to smoke hemp and you get a headache |
| 01:02.44 | lectures4ever | all pot is pot |
| 01:02.47 | jetscreamer | hemp rope |
| 01:02.52 | DawnLight | jetscreamer: no, that was the idiot in half of us |
| 01:02.56 | lectures4ever | hemp is maryjane |
| 01:02.58 | Azar | once in a while someone has to bring him in the limelight |
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| 01:03.10 | stoned | lectures4ever: is like saying, black people are asians |
| 01:03.13 | stoned | lectures4ever: no, they are not. |
| 01:03.25 | Azar | K5 is more like a tabloid |
| 01:03.27 | lectures4ever | hemp is not cannabis sativa plants? |
| 01:03.43 | DawnLight | when is that guy bush taking off? |
| 01:03.44 | jetscreamer | DawnLight: ok then he's the guy who gave half of us a reason to be idiots |
| 01:03.44 | stoned | it doesn't contain thc |
| 01:03.51 | DawnLight | right |
| 01:03.57 | Azar | hey stoned! people here voted for legal pot... feds came over and banned it |
| 01:04.02 | jetscreamer | DawnLight: anyway.... |
| 01:04.15 | stoned | yeh well the world is full of aholes |
| 01:04.19 | stoned | most of them bein gin gov |
| 01:04.23 | stoned | and we happily vote for em |
| 01:04.25 | stoned | cuz we're morons |
| 01:04.30 | DawnLight | Azar: where's here? |
| 01:04.30 | lectures4ever | or stoned |
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| 01:04.35 | stoned | oh wait, we don't vote, we got shit to do, old people are the ones that vote |
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| 01:04.36 | Azar | DawnLight: california |
| 01:04.49 | stoned | argh, gonna go bleed the lizard |
| 01:04.49 | Azar | we voted for, won, opened up shops and now feds care closing down |
| 01:04.53 | lectures4ever | you don't get to vote when you run sid |
| 01:04.59 | warlocky--- | DawnLight, well its not working.. |
| 01:05.03 | jetscreamer | it's very intricate and complicated AND convoluted |
| 01:05.13 | jetscreamer | fix it |
| 01:05.15 | warlocky--- | postfix wont just work, I need to be able to send emails - what should I use? sendmail or postfix? |
| 01:05.17 | lectures4ever | what do I do if the tasksel download in the middle of the install is stuck ? |
| 01:05.31 | lectures4ever | is there any way more elegant than forcing a reboot and reinstall ? |
| 01:05.33 | jetscreamer | ctrl c |
| 01:05.37 | jetscreamer | never use tasksel anyway |
| 01:05.45 | jetscreamer | take all check marks off and install what you want |
| 01:05.56 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 01:05.58 | Azar | lectures4ever: I allways got only C/C++ with tasksel, then got stuff I wanted one by one later |
| 01:06.04 | lectures4ever | ctrl-C no reply |
| 01:06.05 | jetscreamer | that's right ctrl c didn't work iirc |
| 01:06.17 | jetscreamer | i'll do the laptop one |
| 01:06.21 | DawnLight | warlocky---: i'm sorry, i think mine isn't even configured properly |
| 01:06.23 | lectures4ever | doggonit |
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| 01:06.37 | jetscreamer | lectures4ever: you could probably shell out and kill it |
| 01:06.48 | warlocky--- | ugh |
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| 01:06.58 | jetscreamer | alt F2 |
| 01:07.00 | stoned | dude |
| 01:07.05 | stoned | i gained an inch of fat on my tummy |
| 01:07.07 | stoned | :( |
| 01:07.10 | stoned | im getting fat man |
| 01:07.12 | stoned | fuck |
| 01:07.18 | Azar | the beerrrr... |
| 01:07.23 | stoned | i don't drink |
| 01:07.46 | mavhc | the weed |
| 01:07.56 | basti | how do i end a mail when started writing it with mail name@host.xxx |
| 01:08.11 | lectures4ever | jetscreamer: i did and ps gives a lot of stuff. could it be aptitude -o APT ? |
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| 01:08.21 | DawnLight | i'm going in a few to days to live in a new place, on a holy ground, on which there is war |
| 01:08.41 | lectures4ever | or /pkgsel.postinst configure ... ? |
| 01:08.41 | jetscreamer | lectures4ever: must be, but i'm not positive |
| 01:08.44 | stoned | dun dun dun! |
| 01:08.45 | mavhc | DawnLight: sounds like a stupid idea, why? |
| 01:08.56 | jetscreamer | lectures4ever: that too |
| 01:08.58 | DawnLight | unlike most others living there, i won't be setting up a fence |
| 01:08.59 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 01:08.59 | jetscreamer | wait |
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| 01:09.06 | stoned | jetscreamer: I love spawn of possession |
| 01:09.08 | jetscreamer | it must be hung on the postinst maybe |
| 01:09.13 | DawnLight | i'm doing it for various reasons |
| 01:09.14 | stoned | jetscreamer: you wont like it, i know, but its freaking awesome |
| 01:09.21 | stoned | jetscreamer: i just wanted you to know that :) |
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| 01:09.24 | Azar | DawnLight: try to stay alive.. and good luck |
| 01:09.26 | jetscreamer | stoned: is that that link from last night? it rocks |
| 01:09.33 | norbert_ | sorry to ask again, but ehm, I still don't really understand the http_proxy thing, when I export that it seems to work for wget but not for some other programs, is there a way to make /all/ programs I could run in that terminal use the proxy? |
| 01:09.34 | mavhc | name 3 of the reasons |
| 01:09.37 | stoned | jetscreamer: no |
| 01:09.41 | stoned | jetscreamer: this is deathmetal |
| 01:09.44 | lectures4ever | lol the debian installer is made with perl ???? |
| 01:09.46 | DawnLight | reason0 i love the earth and want to live with it |
| 01:09.51 | DawnLight | thanks Azar |
| 01:09.52 | stoned | jetscreamer: dragonforce with the singing is like powermetal or whatever |
| 01:09.52 | RockerMONO | heh i think the spiders are gone now :) |
| 01:09.59 | stoned | jetscreamer: oh yeh you are in usic too |
| 01:10.00 | stoned | heh |
| 01:10.00 | jetscreamer | it depends on the deathmetal as to if i like it |
| 01:10.04 | Azar | lectures4ever: why not? waht's so laughable? |
| 01:10.04 | x_link | stoned: Sup mate? =) |
| 01:10.06 | jetscreamer | yeah that dragon thing |
| 01:10.09 | stoned | x_link: hey man long time no see |
| 01:10.09 | jetscreamer | it rocks |
| 01:10.13 | stoned | jetscreamer: yup :) |
| 01:10.14 | x_link | stoned: =) |
| 01:10.31 | RockerMONO | i vacuumed out the computer disregarding the fact that that it can build up massive amounts of static electricity :) |
| 01:10.36 | lectures4ever | Azar: my luck |
| 01:10.42 | Azar | perl and c are the grandfathers of all those kinky languages you guys script on nowadays |
| 01:11.12 | jetscreamer | you killed hundreds of innocent babies RockerMONO you mass murderer |
| 01:11.35 | xst | This is probably the wrong place to ask but anyway: Because my domain reseller was slow my domain came in redemption period and afterwards in "pending delete" state. Few hours after it left "pending delete" it was already taken (stolen?) by nerdnames.com. What can I do about this?. |
| 01:11.38 | RockerMONO | jetscreamer: well their parents tried to eat me =p |
| 01:11.42 | DawnLight | yeah, you were supposed to BLOW them, not VACUUM them |
| 01:12.05 | RockerMONO | O.o |
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| 01:12.12 | K-Ryan | Hi everyone |
| 01:12.18 | h3sp4wn | xst: is it a company name ? |
| 01:12.18 | stoned | jetscreamer: too much hair i think |
| 01:12.23 | RockerMONO | how the fuck is my spare computer making noises when it's off?... |
| 01:12.33 | stoned | jetscreamer: some of the best hair metal i've ever heard |
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| 01:12.34 | xst | h3sp4wn: No, its my family name |
| 01:12.36 | K-Ryan | I'm working on installing Debian right now and I've got a question or two. |
| 01:12.57 | RockerMONO | K-Ryan: if it involves removing spiders from your computer i can help =p |
| 01:13.00 | spacefrog | Hi guys. I'm looking for /etc/conf.d/clock, but it doesn't seem to be in that location |
| 01:13.01 | DawnLight | RockerMONO: whatever you do don't open it |
| 01:13.07 | TCW | K-Ryan, and that one or two questions will be...? |
| 01:13.16 | RockerMONO | DawnLight: the bag? oh dont worry that's for my sisters bedroom |
| 01:13.18 | DawnLight | they are preparing an attack |
| 01:13.27 | RockerMONO | DawnLight: that's why it's going in my sisters room :) |
| 01:13.34 | RockerMONO | [the vacuum] |
| 01:13.34 | DawnLight | oh no |
| 01:13.35 | K-Ryan | Previously I've been running Kubuntu where I had root, home, tmp, all that good stuff except boot in one partition. In the installer I only see options to label a partition as one thing. |
| 01:13.40 | h3sp4wn | xst: Possibly you could get something from the domain company for breaking their contract with you but I doubt unlesss its a company name |
| 01:13.47 | spacefrog | Following this tutorial: http://thinkhole.org/wp/2006/04/13/clock-tick-timed-out/ ... Can someone help me find the clock config file? |
| 01:13.51 | RockerMONO | DawnLight: well she did steal $40 from me |
| 01:14.02 | jetscreamer | RockerMONO: their very large older brothers are in there and really pissed off at you |
| 01:14.12 | RockerMONO | jetscreamer: in the computer? |
| 01:14.19 | RockerMONO | cool i got an excuse to burn it |
| 01:14.23 | DawnLight | well if you want those back... |
| 01:14.30 | K-Ryan | If I were to mount the partition as root, would that include everything I didn't specify otherwise? |
| 01:14.31 | jetscreamer | yeah... muhahahaha |
| 01:14.41 | basti | when installing sendmail should be working "out of the box" or do i have to change anything? because when using mail() in php nothing happens. where can i check for logs concerning this problem? |
| 01:14.49 | RockerMONO | jetscreamer: dont worry, i'm armed with a vacuum and a lighter :) |
| 01:15.06 | RockerMONO | jetscreamer: and a spray can of *looks at it* .... something |
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| 01:15.16 | TCW | K-Ryan, yes |
| 01:15.21 | RockerMONO | hm |
| 01:15.23 | DawnLight | they are too many. mustt flee and not come back util winter |
| 01:15.33 | RockerMONO | time to further disassemble the rest of the computer |
| 01:15.43 | Miesco | Hi, how would I make the changes to alsamixer permenant? |
| 01:15.45 | K-Ryan | TCW: Great, I'm glad I got an answer to that. Thanks! =) |
| 01:15.51 | RockerMONO | DawnLight: just think, that was only 7/8s of the computer |
| 01:15.53 | DawnLight | hey, i want an old computer to play with too |
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| 01:16.18 | RockerMONO | DawnLight: i jsut wish they'd left it in their bedroom for a few more years so i didn't get 3 years worth of bugs in it when i got it -_- |
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| 01:16.42 | spacefrog | Please help! |
| 01:16.47 | K-Ryan | RockerMONO: Sounds like you had a bad experience |
| 01:16.48 | spacefrog | I need an accurate time on my |
| 01:16.50 | spacefrog | server |
| 01:17.01 | krazykit | spacefrog, so use ntpdate |
| 01:17.01 | rahul | install ntp-client |
| 01:17.06 | TCW | K-Ryan, you're welcome, btw. 2 times 2 is 4 |
| 01:17.14 | spacefrog | It takes too long to update, though |
| 01:17.24 | spacefrog | sits there for ages at bootup, which isn't good enough |
| 01:17.27 | K-Ryan | TCW: But what does that have to do with anything? |
| 01:17.33 | RockerMONO | K-Ryan: hundreds of ants, spiders, and crickets all in the freakin computer and they were all silent until i opened it =\ |
| 01:17.38 | rahul | spacefrog: huh? |
| 01:17.39 | RockerMONO | K-Ryan: the spiders were the worst |
| 01:17.39 | DawnLight | spacefrog: it shouldn't |
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| 01:17.47 | Miesco | l |
| 01:17.51 | K-Ryan | RockerMONO: Yikes! |
| 01:17.53 | spacefrog | Can't someone just tell me where the clock config file is? |
| 01:17.56 | TCW | K-Ryan, it is almost as simple answered as your question :) |
| 01:18.00 | DawnLight | okay, its beading time for me |
| 01:18.03 | rahul | spacefrog: what config would there be? |
| 01:18.10 | rahul | the clock is the clock |
| 01:18.12 | spacefrog | it's not at /etc/conf.d/clock |
| 01:18.17 | stoned | luhar |
| 01:18.17 | rahul | wt |
| 01:18.18 | rahul | f |
| 01:18.22 | RockerMONO | K-Ryan: btw, the spiders were poisonous [hence why i was scared to just reach in the enormous numbers of them and squish them[ |
| 01:18.25 | rahul | denots |
| 01:18.28 | stoned | hey |
| 01:18.31 | stoned | what |
| 01:18.33 | spacefrog | That's what the tutorial states, for local configuration |
| 01:18.38 | K-Ryan | RockerMONO: Wow, what kind? |
| 01:18.44 | rahul | spacefrog: what tutorial? |
| 01:18.46 | krazykit | spacefrog, you think it might be because you're following a gentoo tutorial? gentoo isn't debian. |
| 01:18.48 | stoned | hey man, at least luhar means something |
| 01:18.50 | TCW | RockerMONO, what kind of spiders were it? |
| 01:18.53 | rahul | heh |
| 01:19.01 | stoned | and its cool |
| 01:19.13 | RockerMONO | K-Ryan, TCW : dunno what most of them were... but their were a few brown recluses in there |
| 01:19.15 | stoned | I like blacksmiths, I was once a blacksmith in morrowind |
| 01:19.17 | TCW | s/wer/are/ |
| 01:19.17 | rahul | I'm cool whichever way you turn me around! |
| 01:19.20 | DawnLight | monkey spiders |
| 01:19.20 | drako | hey one day my NIC stopped work and now i can't get it up |
| 01:19.24 | stoned | rahul: hehe cool |
| 01:19.33 | drako | pbx:~# ifconfig eth0 up |
| 01:19.33 | drako | eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No existe tal dispositivo |
| 01:19.37 | TCW | RockerMONO, but why do you know they are poisonous? |
| 01:19.48 | rahul | drako: man interfaces |
| 01:19.51 | K-Ryan | RockerMONO: How could you not hear the crickets and everything in there before hand though? |
| 01:19.59 | RockerMONO | TCW: on that one i'm trusting my mom, but the Brown Recluses were deffinately poisonous |
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| 01:20.03 | Azar | hey cool error: http://img.worsethanfailure.com/Images/200708/error'd/together.png |
| 01:20.12 | K-Ryan | I mean I wish I could have seen the look on your face when you opened it up |
| 01:20.20 | drako | rahul, is configured on interfaces |
| 01:20.22 | Azar | man rahul |
| 01:20.35 | RockerMONO | K-Ryan: i dunno.. i just dind't hear any noises until i opened it up and a bunch of crickets jumped out -_- |
| 01:20.36 | drako | rahul, did you see the error? |
| 01:20.47 | clarity | is there a utility to see how my processors are preforming |
| 01:20.48 | DawnLight | yeah, running away to the console, typing in "man spiders" |
| 01:20.55 | K-Ryan | DawnLight: ahaha |
| 01:20.55 | clarity | and verify that both my processors are running? |
| 01:21.07 | rahul | drako: it would help if you translated what exactly doesn't exist |
| 01:21.09 | RockerMONO | DawnLight: you mean "killall spiders"? =p |
| 01:21.26 | drako | rahul, pbx:~# ifup eth0 |
| 01:21.27 | drako | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 01:21.28 | DawnLight | clarity: there is. monitoring tools do that |
| 01:21.38 | drako | eth0 |
| 01:21.41 | Azar | RockerMONO: you could also have relocated them spiders with worldwideweb |
| 01:21.44 | jonathan0m | does anyone know how to make WoW work on wine |
| 01:21.44 | drako | says device does not exist |
| 01:21.48 | drako | BUT |
| 01:21.59 | drako | pbx:~# dmesg |grep eth0 |
| 01:21.59 | drako | e1000: eth0: e1000_probe: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection |
| 01:22.05 | RockerMONO | Azar: no internet connection on that computer |
| 01:22.09 | DawnLight | clarity: perhaps gkrellm will help you but there are many others |
| 01:22.15 | rahul | drako: maybe udev is being strange? |
| 01:22.19 | antgel | !tell drako about z25 |
| 01:22.20 | DawnLight | well, good night |
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| 01:22.34 | clarity | are there any console ones? |
| 01:23.06 | Azar | clarity: you could also check the debian packages |
| 01:23.29 | Azar | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 01:24.00 | drako | antgel, ok good, how i can know which name has the nic right now? and rahul yes, is udev changing the name (all in the sudden) |
| 01:24.12 | antgel | drako: cat /proc/net/dev |
| 01:24.51 | drako | antgel, ty |
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| 01:25.17 | dongs | HI |
| 01:25.24 | dongs | anyone know which IT8212 driver is more stable/usable in .22 the original or libpata |
| 01:25.27 | dongs | i upgraded to .22.1 and my raid array cant enter DMA mode and crashes after few minuts |
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| 01:26.31 | jetscreamer | you can edit the udev rules |
| 01:26.36 | lectures4ever | when prompted to install lilo do I put it in /dev/sda or /dev/sda4 ? |
| 01:26.46 | dongs | what. thats totally irrelevant |
| 01:26.52 | dongs | lectures4ever: the latter. |
| 01:26.59 | jetscreamer | sda usually |
| 01:27.09 | dongs | omfg does anyone out of 684 people in here use IT8212 card omg |
| 01:27.18 | clarity | hmm /proc/cpuinfo doesn't say my processor is smp |
| 01:27.19 | jetscreamer | what do you boot from and what do you want as the primary boot loader |
| 01:27.28 | clarity | is 2.6.18-4-xen-686 smp? |
| 01:27.30 | jetscreamer | if lilo, sda |
| 01:27.36 | dongs | uh what |
| 01:27.41 | clarity | I heard they merged smp into the default kernel |
| 01:27.46 | jetscreamer | they're all smp |
| 01:27.47 | clarity | smp - multi core |
| 01:27.49 | dongs | i boot lilo from sda2 |
| 01:27.52 | clarity | oh okay |
| 01:27.53 | clarity | :-) |
| 01:28.02 | clarity | perhaps i have the second proc turned off in bios |
| 01:28.11 | jetscreamer | you have it installed in the partition |
| 01:28.18 | jetscreamer | you don't seem to have it in the mbr |
| 01:28.59 | dongs | of course not |
| 01:29.02 | dongs | who keeps lilo in mbr. |
| 01:29.05 | jetscreamer | the xen kernels could be different, but i don't know anything about them |
| 01:29.45 | clarity | i turned it off while i was working on it the other day i'll double check |
| 01:29.47 | jetscreamer | most ppl who use lilo i would imagine |
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| 01:32.52 | tribbin | Hello folks, I use the 'nv' driver on a DVI output. My TFT seems to recognize my video-output as analog. If I use the 'nvidia' driver my TFT recognizes the output as digital. Can I set an option for 'nv' for my DVI output to give off a digital signal? |
| 01:32.55 | jetscreamer | makes me wonder what you have in the mbr |
| 01:33.03 | Miesco | Is there a file that executes commands when you login via gnome? |
| 01:33.41 | jetscreamer | Miesco: look in session manager configuration in the system menu thingy up top, the one on the right |
| 01:34.20 | Miesco | K |
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| 01:34.33 | clarity | "AIGLX error: dlsym for __driCreateNewScreen_20050727 failed (/usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so: undefined symbol: __driCreateNewScreen_20050727) |
| 01:34.38 | clarity | does that mean anything to anyone |
| 01:34.49 | zodmaner | Hi guys, is it possible for Pidgin to get infected by MSN worm? |
| 01:35.13 | RockerMONO | so now that i removed the spiders that shorted out the sound card and died.... i cant get the sound card out of this old computer |
| 01:35.14 | zodmaner | My friend got infected and he send me an infected file |
| 01:35.35 | zodmaner | I didn't download it but immediatly delete it (after I know what it was) |
| 01:35.51 | stoned | I would assume that you are still safe |
| 01:36.03 | stoned | linux is not very easily infected with such things |
| 01:36.12 | zodmaner | I see |
| 01:36.24 | stoned | and definitely not windows specific code running on linux natively without emulation or virtualization or wine |
| 01:36.27 | stoned | and even then |
| 01:36.28 | stoned | its not |
| 01:36.30 | zodmaner | Oh, and I don't have wine installed. Will that help? |
| 01:36.30 | stoned | you're safe |
| 01:36.40 | jetscreamer | tribbin: ask in #xorg , but ftp://x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/nv.4.html |
| 01:36.43 | stoned | dude linux like so so amazing |
| 01:36.47 | stoned | its like secure n shit man |
| 01:36.48 | stoned | you kow |
| 01:36.50 | zodmaner | lol yeah |
| 01:36.50 | stoned | know* |
| 01:36.59 | zodmaner | Now that's a relieve :) |
| 01:37.23 | stoned | there are some viruses for linux |
| 01:37.26 | stoned | for rare |
| 01:37.28 | tribbin | jetscreamer, xorg channel was mute. Did already check 'man nv' |
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| 01:37.39 | stoned | and only like grain of sand in ocean |
| 01:37.47 | zodmaner | I see |
| 01:37.49 | jetscreamer | tribbin: #xorg can be slow, hang out |
| 01:37.52 | stoned | where illegal motion produces lotion |
| 01:37.54 | stoned | I mean.. |
| 01:37.56 | stoned | ahem |
| 01:38.03 | stoned | I haven't said that since like middle school |
| 01:38.08 | tribbin | jetscreamer, Thanks |
| 01:38.14 | stoned | thats funny right now, but will probably seem stupid in a while |
| 01:38.35 | zodmaner | :) |
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| 01:40.43 | stoned | i must stone |
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| 01:41.57 | RockerMONO | ohhhhh |
| 01:42.01 | RockerMONO | another spider... |
| 01:42.49 | SORMANOV | is it possible to create a tarball from a folder that can be modified when it's taring ? |
| 01:43.05 | lectures4ever | question: apt-get says i already have iptables even though it's a fresh install , but it can't run my old scripts - what do I do ? |
| 01:43.31 | RockerMONO | lectures4ever: uninstall it, install it again |
| 01:43.47 | jetscreamer | --reinstall |
| 01:43.58 | jetscreamer | or fix your scripts |
| 01:45.10 | jetscreamer | old.. hmmm |
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| 01:45.53 | lectures4ever | do I need to re-make my kernel for iptables support? |
| 01:46.52 | vezult | lectures4ever: no. |
| 01:47.04 | jetscreamer | not in a stock kernel |
| 01:47.34 | lectures4ever | Thanks - reinstalls solves it |
| 01:47.59 | lectures4ever | to autostart my script do I put in it init.d or init.rd ? |
| 01:48.17 | RockerMONO | damn...anyone know how to remove an audio card? |
| 01:48.27 | jetscreamer | something about rc.local nowadays i 'think' |
| 01:48.35 | h3sp4wn | RockerMONO: unplug it ? |
| 01:48.37 | jetscreamer | you turn off the computer and take the little phillips to it |
| 01:48.43 | jetscreamer | then pull |
| 01:48.51 | RockerMONO | ... |
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| 01:49.00 | RockerMONO | i've removed every screw from it and it's still suck lol |
| 01:49.02 | RockerMONO | *stuck |
| 01:49.09 | jetscreamer | so easy even a moron could do it |
| 01:49.11 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 01:49.21 | jetscreamer | RockerMONO: it's only held in by one screw |
| 01:49.23 | RockerMONO | jetscreamer: not really... it's a 12 year old computer covered in burnt spiders |
| 01:49.28 | lectures4ever | what do you mean rc.local ? it's a file |
| 01:49.34 | lectures4ever | i want to place my script |
| 01:49.36 | RockerMONO | jetscreamer: and i removed 3... so why isn't it coming out? lol |
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| 01:49.40 | lectures4ever | just paste the text in rc.local ? |
| 01:49.49 | datadr|nker | f |
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| 01:49.50 | jetscreamer | RockerMONO: there's still only one... oops? |
| 01:49.55 | h3sp4wn | !rc.local |
| 01:49.56 | dpkg | from memory, rc.local is /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.lcoal). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). as of 2.86.ds1-1, initscript has an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating s |
| 01:50.06 | jetscreamer | lectures4ever: i'm not sure what rc.local wants |
| 01:50.07 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 01:50.32 | RockerMONO | jetscreamer: their are *no screws* on the audio card now, but it wont come out |
| 01:50.59 | RockerMONO | jetscreamer: the actual plug is holding it in now -_- |
| 01:51.21 | jetscreamer | RockerMONO: we're talking about on the silver tab that goes outside the box a .5 inch or so... what? plug? |
| 01:51.36 | RockerMONO | jetscreamer: what the audio card hooks into *inside* |
| 01:51.50 | RockerMONO | the 5-inch plug on the side of the computer that the audio card hooks to lol |
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| 01:51.57 | jetscreamer | RockerMONO: some of them have a cover you have to take off |
| 01:51.58 | jetscreamer | not plug |
| 01:52.02 | lectures4ever | where to put my iptables script so it is autorun on boot ? |
| 01:52.08 | RockerMONO | jetscreamer: i see no cover =\ |
| 01:52.23 | RockerMONO | jetscreamer: ok do you know how the cards hook to the computer? |
| 01:52.31 | RockerMONO | like electronically, what connects them |
| 01:52.34 | RockerMONO | that's what's holding it in now |
| 01:52.47 | Gokee2 | then pull it out |
| 01:52.48 | jetscreamer | paste a picture |
| 01:52.57 | RockerMONO | jetscreamer: if i had a camera, i would -_- |
| 01:53.01 | RockerMONO | Gokee2: that's the thing... it's stuck |
| 01:53.03 | linuxcommie | is this a good name |
| 01:53.06 | jetscreamer | there is only ONE screw that holds cards in |
| 01:53.07 | LV-426 | i get a 'device busy' trying to umount. how do i tell which proc. is using it ? |
| 01:53.16 | RockerMONO | jetscreamer: it's NOT A FREAKIN SCREW HOLDING IT IN |
| 01:53.20 | jetscreamer | lsof LV-426 |
| 01:53.32 | jetscreamer | RockerMONO: is it a sparc? |
| 01:53.35 | lectures4ever | rockerMONO: the factory must 've glued it in to piss you off |
| 01:53.44 | RockerMONO | lectures4ever: no... it wiggles too much =p |
| 01:53.47 | RockerMONO | jetscreamer: sparc?... |
| 01:53.54 | lectures4ever | so it wiggles but it can't come loose? |
| 01:54.01 | lectures4ever | is it PCI or ISA or what ? |
| 01:54.05 | jetscreamer | you missed |
| 01:54.05 | lectures4ever | or SCSI ? |
| 01:54.05 | RockerMONO | lectures4ever: it wiggles but wont come out |
| 01:54.24 | jetscreamer | i think he didn't find the right screw |
| 01:54.34 | RockerMONO | jetscreamer: their are *no screws on the audio card* |
| 01:54.35 | lectures4ever | you got a flamethrower? |
| 01:54.36 | LV-426 | jetscreamer, thanks |
| 01:54.40 | lectures4ever | you got a soldering flame ? |
| 01:54.43 | RockerMONO | jetscreamer: i removed all screws from the audio card |
| 01:54.57 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 01:55.05 | jetscreamer | it's not IN the card |
| 01:55.28 | RockerMONO | jetscreamer: the one that hooks the card to the metal tab on the back? |
| 01:55.51 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 01:55.56 | lectures4ever | it's either stuck at the pins or at the metal bracket in the back |
| 01:55.58 | RockerMONO | jetscreamer: that was the first one i took out |
| 01:56.09 | Gokee2 | RockerMONO, There should be two screws into the card and one screw taken out from the metal piece attached to the card |
| 01:56.13 | RockerMONO | lectures4ever: thank you! i've been trying to figure out how to explain it, it's stuck at the pins |
| 01:56.14 | lectures4ever | try wiggling it sideways and back and forth |
| 01:56.16 | lectures4ever | cajole it |
| 01:56.28 | lectures4ever | you just gotta pull |
| 01:56.28 | jetscreamer | pull one end, then the other |
| 01:56.32 | lectures4ever | yeah |
| 01:56.36 | jetscreamer | longways not sideways |
| 01:56.41 | lectures4ever | yep |
| 01:56.44 | lectures4ever | he's right on that one |
| 01:56.47 | RockerMONO | MOTHERFUCKER |
| 01:56.52 | RockerMONO | brb the shit cut me |
| 01:57.12 | lectures4ever | well you're obviously not a jazz musician |
| 01:57.12 | RockerMONO | back |
| 01:57.14 | lectures4ever | but anyway |
| 01:57.17 | RockerMONO | well.... it came out |
| 01:57.20 | lectures4ever | wooo |
| 01:57.23 | RockerMONO | ...at the expense of my middle finger |
| 01:57.31 | lectures4ever | and this relates to debian how? |
| 01:57.31 | Gokee2 | Good! :) |
| 01:57.35 | RockerMONO | lol |
| 01:57.42 | lectures4ever | you prolly gave it the middle finger |
| 01:57.43 | jetscreamer | pliers next time on a place w/o traces |
| 01:58.00 | RockerMONO | jetscreamer: i cant see the traces for all the dust on it... |
| 01:58.19 | RockerMONO | jetscreamer: keep in mind, this is 12 years old and was in a garage for 3 years |
| 01:58.21 | lectures4ever | where to put my iptables script so it is autorun on boot ? |
| 01:58.24 | lectures4ever | please |
| 01:58.28 | Gokee2 | RockerMONO, You opened the case and have not used some air on it yet? |
| 01:58.28 | lectures4ever | it's those little final touches |
| 01:58.33 | lectures4ever | before rebirth |
| 01:58.37 | jetscreamer | the rc.local thing |
| 01:58.41 | jetscreamer | !rc.local |
| 01:58.41 | dpkg | rc.local is probably /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.lcoal). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). as of 2.86.ds1-1, initscript has an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating s |
| 01:58.47 | RockerMONO | Gokee2: i vacuumed it... and it's STILL dusty as who know what |
| 01:58.48 | lectures4ever | man the rc.local is a blank script |
| 01:58.51 | jetscreamer | edit /etc/rc.local |
| 01:59.00 | jetscreamer | ok put your script in it |
| 01:59.09 | jetscreamer | i guess |
| 01:59.10 | Gokee2 | RockerMONO, mmm use some compressed air :) |
| 01:59.12 | lectures4ever | ah |
| 01:59.26 | jetscreamer | i told you leafblower dude |
| 01:59.26 | lectures4ever | why don't i just put my script in /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 01:59.35 | RockerMONO | Gokee2: got none.... |
| 01:59.38 | RockerMONO | jetscreamer: dont have one |
| 01:59.38 | jetscreamer | or rc2 |
| 01:59.41 | lectures4ever | and run that utility that creates links to it in all the /etc/rc.N/ ? |
| 01:59.43 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 01:59.57 | litage_ | are both native and non-native packages are source packages? |
| 02:00.08 | RockerMONO | jetscreamer: i'm too poor for a leaf blower =p |
| 02:00.46 | lectures4ever | is there a problem with that method I just said ? |
| 02:01.07 | RockerMONO | well |
| 02:01.09 | RockerMONO | after 4 hours |
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| 02:01.12 | RockerMONO | i got 2 things out |
| 02:01.14 | RockerMONO | ... |
| 02:01.20 | RockerMONO | audio card and the hard drive |
| 02:01.20 | lectures4ever | put the script i want to autostart in /etc/init.d/ and use a util ( can't recall which ) to link it in all /etc/rc.#/ |
| 02:01.38 | lectures4ever | is this like bad? |
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| 02:04.06 | tanob | hello, anybody that uses splashy ? |
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| 02:04.39 | dongs | anyone know kernel-cmd-line equivalent of LILOs suppress-boot-time-bios-data option? |
| 02:05.50 | RockerMONO | anyone ever seen a spider that sat on a heatsink? |
| 02:05.55 | RockerMONO | =] |
| 02:06.18 | cafuego | dongs: `quiet' ? |
| 02:06.28 | cafuego | dongs: As in: "don't print stuff" ? |
| 02:06.32 | dongs | cafuego: wat? no |
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| 02:06.41 | dongs | it fixes lockup with some retarded external raid cards |
| 02:06.52 | dongs | doesnt use BIOS-provided drive mapping or somethig |
| 02:07.03 | cafuego | Hmmm. |
| 02:07.05 | cafuego | Dunno. |
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| 02:08.46 | politik | I have a raid 5 array on /dev/md2, which is used for swap. Now I'm trying to stop the array. I've swapoff'd it, but I can't mdadm --stop it for some reason, it says the device is busy. Any ideas? |
| 02:10.01 | politik | I'm horrified too |
| 02:10.16 | dongs | lol@ swap on raid5 |
| 02:10.30 | cafuego | politik: don't swap on raid5 |
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| 02:11.01 | cafuego | politik: Use the partitions as single swap partitions each |
| 02:11.01 | politik | why not, is there something else I can swap on so my box doesn't die when a drive fails? |
| 02:11.36 | politik | uh |
| 02:11.41 | maher | i have about 20G of stuff I want to write to dvd, I don't really care what order it gets there as long as it has the full path - is there some useful tool that will do this forme? |
| 02:11.43 | politik | and if one of those partitions is on a drive that dies? |
| 02:11.46 | cafuego | The box would be unlikely to die, perhaps a service would get a sigsegv, you just restart it. |
| 02:12.10 | cafuego | raid5 is just ... overhead. |
| 02:12.16 | politik | oh really, I just restart whatever random process segfaulted |
| 02:12.24 | politik | no problem, I'll put every process on cron |
| 02:12.25 | cafuego | The last thing you want on a swapping box is *more* overhead |
| 02:12.43 | cafuego | politik: 's what logs are for, eh |
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| 02:13.37 | politik | cafuego: unless there is some technical reason why swapping on raid 5 doesn't work, I'm going to keep doing it :) |
| 02:14.05 | cafuego | politik: it works, it just destroys performance when you hit swap. |
| 02:14.07 | politik | and if there is a technical reason why it doesn't work, then I'm going to file a bug to have it fixed |
| 02:14.18 | politik | cafuego: how so? |
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| 02:14.46 | cafuego | politik: raid5 needs to calculate checksums for each write to disk |
| 02:14.47 | politik | software raid doesn't pin the memory it needs to work? |
| 02:14.51 | cafuego | For that it needs the cpou |
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| 02:15.06 | politik | so? when you hit swap, the cpu is probably idle anyway |
| 02:15.07 | groove | hi, is there anyway to grab the running kernel version in the same format as is listed in the dpkg -l info? |
| 02:15.37 | groove | like 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2 |
| 02:15.51 | cafuego | politik: If it's swapped out due to an idle app, sure. If stuff is being swapped out due to high load and/or a memory leak, not so much. |
| 02:15.59 | groove | 'uname -a' only displays 2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 02:16.09 | politik | if you're swapping, the cpu is waiting for memory access |
| 02:16.11 | n3kl | Is there not a subersion init.d? |
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| 02:16.45 | khermans_ | how do i decompress a .Z file? |
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| 02:16.47 | cafuego | politik: By all means do as you wish. |
| 02:17.19 | politik | it's true, right? by definition, when you are swapping, some process is waiting for memory access |
| 02:17.39 | politik | someone just said "I want to access this memory" or "I want to allocate this memory", and you hit swap |
| 02:17.42 | politik | and you wait |
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| 02:18.17 | cafuego | politik: Yes, so the system is *busy* moving stuff out of memory, for which it needs its cpu. Now you add overhead of needing to calculate checksums before stuff can be paged to disk. |
| 02:18.24 | cafuego | If you had hardware raid, sure... |
| 02:18.57 | lectures4ever | how do I get X11 again ? |
| 02:19.04 | lectures4ever | i can't seem to find it in dselect |
| 02:19.04 | cafuego | But on software raid, I reckon you're better off being notified when a disk dies and manually sorting the machine out. |
| 02:19.09 | lectures4ever | and tasksel is no help |
| 02:19.56 | lectures4ever | actually my apt-get is just pointing to the CE |
| 02:19.58 | lectures4ever | CD |
| 02:19.59 | maher | lectures4ever: try /xserver-xorg |
| 02:20.08 | lectures4ever | how do I get it point to the debian mirror ? |
| 02:20.31 | lectures4ever | no go |
| 02:20.45 | lectures4ever | it has no way to get to the debian mirror |
| 02:20.50 | lectures4ever | i forgot where to set that :( |
| 02:21.09 | maher | lectures4ever: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:21.17 | lectures4ever | thanks |
| 02:21.24 | politik | cafuego: ok, I'll consider it. any idea why I can't stop this raid device? |
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| 02:22.23 | politik | you'll be happy to know that I'm trying to stop the raid device so I can switch it from raid 5 to raid 10. no more parity calculation. |
| 02:22.40 | cafuego | politik: heh |
| 02:22.42 | politik | too bad it is unstoppable |
| 02:22.51 | maher | i want to write 20G of stuff to dvd - is there any reasonable way of doing this without ludicrous manual intervention? |
| 02:23.09 | politik | maher: get a robotic dvd burner |
| 02:23.31 | cafuego | politik: You ran 'swapoff' and `free' now reports no swap allocated? |
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| 02:23.49 | politik | yep |
| 02:23.53 | cafuego | maher: get a HD-DVD writer |
| 02:24.04 | cafuego | (or blu-ray) |
| 02:24.11 | politik | maher: although I wouldn't say that swapping 5 dvds is ludicrous manual intervention |
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| 02:24.47 | cafuego | politik: Are you able to rather than stop the device, mark the individual partitions as failed and then take them out? |
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| 02:25.07 | politik | cafuego: maybe... |
| 02:25.36 | maher | politik: i don't care about swapping the dvds i don't want to have to manually break up the files into 4.4G sets... |
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| 02:26.47 | sharp15 | how do i convince apt to replace an installed program's config. files on package reinstall? |
| 02:26.50 | politik | maher: I'd be surprised if there is no existing file splitter |
| 02:27.04 | lectures4ever | is sources.list case-sensitive ? |
| 02:27.35 | adj | hi. im migrating from one distro to debian in a virtual environment. i have the partition for debian root mount as /debian on the current system. is i chroot there will apt function properly for me to install the rquired binaries and libraries needed for the switch? |
| 02:28.34 | politik | oh well, I'll wait to reboot and see if I can control my raid after that |
| 02:28.59 | maher | adj: yes - you will probably want to mount proc and avoid trying to install bootloaders |
| 02:29.31 | adj | maher: nothing to install in kernal space, just apache, php, etc |
| 02:29.42 | maher | adj: that should be fine |
| 02:30.28 | twb | In aptitude, how can I limit the listing to packages that are in experimental? (I have both sid and experimental in my sources.list.) |
| 02:30.33 | lectures4ever | couldn't stat source package list !!! |
| 02:30.49 | lectures4ever | "/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp..... doesn't exist" |
| 02:30.50 | adj | maher: proc isn't a seperate partition. but, iirc, procfs is actually mounted in that location. what exactly do you mean by mount proc? |
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| 02:32.33 | lectures4ever | i can't get to the debian packages mirror |
| 02:33.18 | maher | adj: you can mount proc on chrootpath/proc - some things may try and look in proc and will complain - if you don't want an extra proc mount just carry on and see if anything doesn't install properley |
| 02:33.28 | n3kl | Can anyone recomend to me a CA setup howto? |
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| 02:33.40 | aryr100 | hello all |
| 02:33.59 | twb | adj: either do mount -t proc none chroot/proc, or mount -o bind /proc chroot/proc |
| 02:34.05 | adj | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:34.13 | adj | oh. hmm |
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| 02:34.22 | twb | Or you could try that |
| 02:34.38 | aryr100 | I have a compack parsaio with a athlon processor, is this the correct link Debian Etch 4.0 r0 i386 ? |
| 02:34.49 | twb | *compaq presario |
| 02:34.54 | aryr100 | *Laughs* yes |
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| 02:35.16 | adj | heh. its going o be a while before i can get any I/O anyway. transferring lots on xen isnt always nice ;) |
| 02:35.42 | twb | Some athlons can run x86 OR amd64; the latter is faster but less likely to be supported by complete bastards like nvidia and broadcom |
| 02:35.44 | lectures4ever | is this line correct : "deb http://ftp.whatever.debian.org/debian/ Etch main contrib non-free" ??? or is Etch no longer used ? |
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| 02:35.55 | maher | aryr100: yes |
| 02:35.58 | aryr100 | nope its a older x86 |
| 02:36.19 | maher | lectures4ever: try lower case etch |
| 02:36.33 | twb | aryr100: so you want to know which release to install, rather than which architecture? |
| 02:36.36 | lectures4ever | why shouldn't stable work ? |
| 02:36.47 | maher | lectures4ever: stable is etch - it should work |
| 02:36.50 | lectures4ever | it's saying a file /var/lib/apt/ftp. etc doesn't exist |
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| 02:36.55 | lectures4ever | it's not working |
| 02:36.57 | twb | lectures4ever: because HTTP is a case-sensitive protocol |
| 02:36.58 | lectures4ever | i'm missing something |
| 02:37.19 | maher | lectures4ever: try apt-get clean |
| 02:37.21 | aryr100 | yes what is the correct install |
| 02:37.23 | lectures4ever | neither Etch nor stable are working |
| 02:37.28 | lectures4ever | maher: thanks |
| 02:37.38 | lectures4ever | what does that do ? |
| 02:37.59 | maher | lectures4ever: cleans out the cache of packages which sometimes gets broken |
| 02:38.47 | twb | aryr100: Etch is the latest stable release, meaning it receives no feature updates -- only security updates. Lenny is the current testing release, meaning it receives both kinds of updates after a short (a few days) testing period in the unstable release. The rule of thumb I use is that Stable (Etch) goes on servers and Testing (Lenny) goes on single-user workstations. |
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| 02:40.06 | lectures4ever | the contents of /var/lib/apt/lists are very weird , they have i386_packages at the end of the name, and the URLs in my sources.list is not one of the files there |
| 02:40.12 | lectures4ever | any hellp? |
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| 02:40.49 | maher | lectures4ever: just delete everything in /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 02:40.53 | Seb | sup y'all |
| 02:40.55 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! A quick question: Which of DEL laptops are more compatible with Debian (in general) Thanks! |
| 02:41.01 | Seb | any way to "pilot" my digital camera in linux ? |
| 02:41.02 | K_Dallas | DELL* |
| 02:41.10 | Seb | like make it take pictures and everything, from a linux applications |
| 02:41.18 | maher | K_Dallas: dunno - try linuxlaptops.net |
| 02:41.30 | K_Dallas | oh good, thanks maher |
| 02:41.32 | sparr | should apt take a sources line with no component? |
| 02:41.35 | Seb | i have no idea if digital cameras even support that, or if there is a common interface to that sort of functionnality, bu I'd suspect so |
| 02:41.43 | Seb | sparr: no |
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| 02:42.29 | K_Dallas | maher, is that site still working? It seems to me that it is somethign lese now |
| 02:42.40 | K_Dallas | something else* |
| 02:42.44 | lectures4ever | it's pointing the ftp mirror to 1.0.0.0 |
| 02:42.46 | lectures4ever | !!!! |
| 02:42.47 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 02:42.52 | maher | K_Dallas: http://www.linux-laptop.net/ |
| 02:43.01 | K_Dallas | thank you |
| 02:43.15 | maher | lectures4ever: put a copy of your sources.list in the pastebin |
| 02:43.21 | lectures4ever | apt-get resolves ftp.debian.org to 1.0.0.0 |
| 02:43.23 | lectures4ever | ugh |
| 02:43.29 | lectures4ever | and then what ? |
| 02:43.31 | clarity | hey... i got xorg working but there isn't a cursor? |
| 02:43.40 | clarity | i can move my mouse over stuff and it doesn't do stuff |
| 02:43.47 | clarity | also when i start gnome it doesn't start up |
| 02:44.06 | clarity | hrm, i don't think i installed the wm package |
| 02:44.47 | lectures4ever | can someone please help ? |
| 02:46.23 | karsten | lectures4ever: Check your network configuration |
| 02:46.24 | jetscreamer | is that after your iptables scripting or before, lectures4ever |
| 02:46.37 | lectures4ever | karsten: elaborate |
| 02:46.42 | karsten | !tell lectures4ever about network drill |
| 02:46.53 | karsten | lectures4ever: Read the factoid, ask channel, I'm outta here. |
| 02:47.21 | iMoron | Hello! |
| 02:47.26 | karsten | lectures4ever: Sounds like DNS resolution issues, but check the other stuff as well. |
| 02:47.32 | jetscreamer | doesn't seem to be a network drill |
| 02:47.34 | abrotman | clarity: what did you set the mouse to ? |
| 02:47.38 | jetscreamer | !listkeys drill |
| 02:47.40 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'drill' by key (2): network drill ;; CMD: cluedrill (.*?). |
| 02:47.56 | jetscreamer | hmm... didn't work |
| 02:48.02 | lectures4ever | Karsten: Thanks |
| 02:48.04 | jetscreamer | !network drill |
| 02:48.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, network drill is check NIC seating, link light, media (cable), configuration (ifconfig), gateway, route, forwarding on gateway, DNS resolution, local (LAN) and remote (forwarded) ping targets. |
| 02:48.10 | abrotman | !cluedrill jetscreamer |
| 02:48.14 | lectures4ever | Karsten: You solved IT |
| 02:48.17 | lectures4ever | thank you ! |
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| 02:48.22 | karsten | lectures4ever: NP |
| 02:48.37 | lectures4ever | :) |
| 02:49.00 | jetscreamer | cable? |
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| 02:49.12 | lectures4ever | no DNS |
| 02:49.39 | iMoron | Hey, has any of you used debian live: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 02:49.52 | jetscreamer | no |
| 02:50.01 | jetscreamer | nobody |
| 02:50.07 | jetscreamer | ask your question |
| 02:50.11 | jetscreamer | not that |
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| 02:51.03 | iMoron | If, anyone has used debian live, I wanted to know if it is "installable"... |
| 02:51.12 | lectures4ever | ok i'm outa here. about 18 hours working on this non stop |
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| 02:51.37 | lectures4ever | folks my parting words to you are: NEVER EVER do a apt-get upgrade-dist |
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| 02:52.02 | jetscreamer | how about 'does the debian live, as seen on (url here), have an installation feature? |
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| 02:52.11 | jetscreamer | lectures4ever: it would be hard |
| 02:52.18 | iMoron | As far as I have read, their installation is not straigh foward... |
| 02:52.33 | jetscreamer | ' |
| 02:52.41 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 02:52.44 | lectures4ever | debian live. that's neat |
| 02:52.49 | Justmeee | I need some assistance with a PPPOE issue I have my machine setup to use pppoe and start it up at bootup the PPP0 interface shows up but I can't surf anywhere... If I do a poff and pon dsl-provider the PPP connection comes back up and works fine |
| 02:52.52 | lectures4ever | ok goodnight or good morning |
| 02:53.08 | maher | *** dirsplit *** |
| 02:53.11 | lectures4ever | thanks for all those who helped. |
| 02:53.42 | Justmeee | but I should not have to do that every time the machine starts up the PPP0 connection shows up but not being able to surf any where... it should start the PPP0 and be abie to surf.. I dunno if it is not setting the default route right or what it is doing |
| 02:53.43 | iMoron | http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ Yes, it is a neat idea... Actualy is great! |
| 02:53.53 | Justmeee | anyone have any ideas how to fix this PPPOE issue? |
| 02:54.21 | Justmeee | My Interface file is at http://paste.debian.net/34184 |
| 02:54.44 | Justmeee | But I am telling you it has nothing to do with the interfaces file the PPP is starting up but I just can't surf anywhere |
| 02:55.02 | Justmeee | the machine is running Debian 4.0R0 |
| 02:55.39 | iMoron | But, DLive seems to lack any proper installation rutine... |
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| 02:56.10 | Justmeee | anyone ? |
| 02:56.18 | Justmeee | Some one must have some ideas how to fix this |
| 02:56.45 | wolaoye | any major vendor pre-installing debian on its boxes? |
| 02:57.36 | maher | wolaoye: hp |
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| 02:58.15 | wolaoye | maher, which model? or is it only on personal request? |
| 02:58.29 | iMoron | Justmee, are you using dialup modem? |
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| 02:59.17 | Justmeee | Imoron NO as I said PPPOE |
| 03:00.03 | Justmeee | If you know what PPPOE you would be able to answer your own question... you do NOT use PPPOE for a dialup modem PPPOE is Point to Point Protocol over Ethernet used for DSL / ADSL modems |
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| 03:00.15 | Justmeee | Good lord you must be a noob |
| 03:00.33 | maher | wolaoye: i think you can get it on various servers... |
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| 03:00.38 | wolaoye | first ubuntu, and now suse, have had their suitors. what will happen to distros like debian? will they die off? |
| 03:01.06 | iMoron | Yes... I see... I just read sllow... and the ppoe was way up when I read... |
| 03:01.18 | lontra | wolaoye: not ... not if you believe ... do you believe ... in debian? |
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| 03:01.42 | iMoron | I may be a noob... and? |
| 03:01.51 | davidprock1981 | HELP, i just uninstalled 100% of KDE and GNOME and dont have access to the internet, is all i need is a package called "Network-Manager" and what comes with it? |
| 03:02.07 | maher | wolaoye: e.g. http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/12454-12454-321959-338927-89307-3221863.html |
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| 03:03.06 | liable | davidprock1981: why not just use ifconfig? |
| 03:03.24 | Justmeee | Anyone here actually able to HELP me with this PPPOE issue! |
| 03:03.31 | Justmeee | some one here must have a clue |
| 03:03.55 | davidprock1981 | do u mean ipconfig OR ifconfig |
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| 03:04.30 | davidprock1981 | liable:, do u mean ipconfig OR ifconfig |
| 03:04.59 | liable | ifconfig, ipconfig is windows |
| 03:05.47 | davidprock1981 | oh ok, well if it is unintsalled too, is there a .deb i can download and install off line |
| 03:05.57 | Justmeee | I need some assistance with a PPPOE issue I have my machine setup to use pppoe and start it up at bootup the PPP0 interface shows up but I can't surf anywhere... If I do a poff and pon dsl-provider the PPP connection comes back up and works fine |
| 03:06.00 | liable | it wont be uninstalled |
| 03:06.39 | davidprock1981 | how do i use ifconfig, or will it be VERY self explanitory |
| 03:06.40 | clarity | is ion in the debian repositories? |
| 03:06.51 | adj | Justmeee: find the rc script thats starting ppoe, and number it last in the boot sequence |
| 03:06.55 | adj | err. init sequence |
| 03:07.04 | Justmeee | adj you didn't read what my problem was |
| 03:07.09 | Justmeee | the PPPOE is starting up no problems |
| 03:07.09 | davidprock1981 | clarity , yes its ion2 |
| 03:07.12 | lontra | davidprock1981: what's the device name? you could use dhclient eth1(2,3, 0) |
| 03:07.17 | adj | Justmeee: ok. fix it yourself then |
| 03:07.18 | Justmeee | but when it starts up I can not surf anywhere |
| 03:07.21 | lontra | clarity: ion3 yes |
| 03:07.22 | clarity | davidprock1981: testing or unstable? |
| 03:07.28 | clarity | ion3 is in it too? |
| 03:07.29 | adj | i forgot i can't read. you're right. nevermind |
| 03:07.39 | davidprock1981 | i got it and i use stable, etch |
| 03:07.41 | stew | clarity: ion2 is, ion3 is in non-free in unstable |
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| 03:07.49 | Justmeee | adj get a CLUE you noob learn how to READ what the damn problem is before you give me a dumbass answer like you did |
| 03:07.55 | adj | ok. sure |
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| 03:08.01 | davidprock1981 | u can get ion3 from the sight |
| 03:08.05 | DarkRamon | hello... is there any repository to add in order to install "recordmydesktop" and "gtk-recordMyDesktop"? |
| 03:08.12 | twb | davidprock1981: *site? |
| 03:08.14 | stew | Justmeee: you've been silenced for 10 minutes. keep it constructive. no name-calling |
| 03:08.15 | clarity | ion2 is in the stable... wonder why apt-search isn't showing it |
| 03:08.22 | adj | you have to pon, then poff for it to work, so pppoe is being loaded befgore it should. but whatever. suiot yourself |
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| 03:08.52 | clarity | oh cool it's showing it |
| 03:08.58 | iMoron | JustMee... try not to act like an arogant fool... |
| 03:09.00 | clarity | is ion3 much better than ion2? |
| 03:09.24 | davidprock1981 | when i last looked like 2 day agao ion3 was not on there |
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| 03:09.28 | clarity | hrm, i think i'm just going to run ion2 |
| 03:09.28 | abrotman | !tritium |
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| 03:09.34 | clarity | david: it's not in stable |
| 03:09.36 | Justmeee | Stop wrongfully banning me too noob... |
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| 03:09.42 | abrotman | clarity: there's a reason for that |
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| 03:09.51 | clarity | or testing |
| 03:09.58 | clarity | abrotman: yeah i know... i'm just saying |
| 03:10.04 | davidprock1981 | i know, well that would explane why aptitude did not show it lol |
| 03:10.05 | clarity | it's still in rc phase |
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| 03:10.17 | abrotman | clarity: that's not it .. the developer is an ass .. |
| 03:10.17 | clarity | plus stable is frozen :-) |
| 03:10.26 | DarkRamon | hello... is there any repository i need to add in order to install "recordmydesktop" and "gtk-recordMyDesktop" with apt-get? |
| 03:10.35 | clarity | i didn't know it's non-free? that means it's not gpl right? |
| 03:10.40 | DarkRamon | I tried the .deb's and they're not workin' for me |
| 03:10.41 | abrotman | stew: none@*.bell.ca ? |
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| 03:10.51 | Justmeeeeee | idiot stop that BS. |
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| 03:10.57 | Justmeeeeee | Now why is my PPPOE doing this.. |
| 03:11.07 | Justmeeeeee | ? |
| 03:11.11 | lontra | oops ... did you call an op an idiot? |
| 03:11.15 | davidprock1981 | clarity, have u tried PWM |
| 03:11.18 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*=none@*dsl.bell.ca] by stew |
| 03:11.21 | adj | because you don't have any idea what you are doing and have too big of an ego to think logically |
| 03:11.22 | clarity | no i haven't |
| 03:11.27 | iMoron | http://users.pandora.be/Asterisk-PBX/PPPoE.htm Read and verefy your configuration... |
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| 03:11.39 | davidprock1981 | it was before ion, same peoson made it |
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| 03:11.55 | iMoron | Check your firewall JustMee... |
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| 03:12.00 | clarity | oh so pwm turned into ion? |
| 03:12.16 | davidprock1981 | ya, some what, all the code was redone |
| 03:14.38 | clarity | As of February 23, 2007, according to a post on the Ion3 mailing list, Valkonen has lost interest in the project and, while work will continue, all future releases will focus on stability and bugfixes, with only minor, if any, feature additions. |
| 03:14.39 | clarity | omfg |
| 03:14.43 | clarity | what a jerk |
| 03:15.05 | DarkRamon | is there any way to install recordmydesktop from apt-get? |
| 03:15.26 | iMoron | So... No one here tryed http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ Debian Live? |
| 03:15.51 | abrotman | iMoron: #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
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| 03:17.06 | davidprock1981 | lontra: davidprock1981: what's the device name? you could use dhclient eth1(2,3, 0) :, what is the 2,3,0 for |
| 03:17.12 | krazykit | clarity, he's a jerk for no longer working on a project? you're free to pick up where he left off and hack on it yourself (provided it's gpl... i thought he modified the liscense though, in some silly way) |
| 03:17.14 | sparr | I have a pseudo-repository, a directory with a Packages.gz and a lot of debs, but it isnt arranged properly as .../repo/dist/component, is there any way to let apt see that? |
| 03:17.14 | iMoron | Oh... how do I change to that chanel, am new here only know the /list and /join commands...? |
| 03:17.31 | iMoron | I seem to be on freenode..,. |
| 03:17.32 | clarity | krazykit: no other stuff |
| 03:17.40 | clarity | it's not gpl |
| 03:17.44 | clarity | it's a modified lgpl |
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| 03:18.01 | clarity | On April 28, 2007, the author of Ion3 warned Arch Linux of possible legal action because the (unofficial) Arch User Repository contained scripts to install Ion3 with patches[2]. The author of Ion3 found that these infringed on his unregistered trademark and consequently, all Ion3 installation scripts were removed from the repository. The author of Ion3 also strongly expressed his discontent with the GPL and Open Source softwar |
| 03:18.01 | clarity | e. He plans to release future versions of Ion3 as closed source, no longer write open source software[3] and also leave Linux for a different operating system. |
| 03:18.05 | clarity | sorry for paste |
| 03:18.07 | iMoron | #debian-live |
| 03:18.39 | krazykit | clarity, you can still fork it from the gpl'd versions. |
| 03:18.57 | iMoron | How do I change to irc.oftc.net |
| 03:19.00 | clarity | i believe they're all lgpl |
| 03:19.04 | davidprock1981 | clarity, that sounds very odd |
| 03:19.09 | DarkRamon | iMoron: what proggie are u using? |
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| 03:19.19 | iMoron | gaim |
| 03:19.26 | DarkRamon | ok right click on your game icon |
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| 03:19.33 | DarkRamon | and go to accounts |
| 03:19.39 | clarity | i'm pretty sure the license doesn't allow forking if he's suing people for releasing versions with patches |
| 03:19.39 | DarkRamon | there u can add another one like you did to add freenode |
| 03:19.41 | stew | the current version of ion3 can still be forked no problem, as long as you don't use 'ion' in the name |
| 03:19.50 | abrotman | iMoron: /server irc.oftc.net .. it will disconnect you from this network |
| 03:19.54 | clarity | oh cool |
| 03:20.02 | stew | clarity: the problem with the license is the trademark addon to the license that only applies to the name 'ion' |
| 03:20.14 | DarkRamon | abrotman: yeah but he can stay connected here if he does that |
| 03:20.14 | abrotman | iMoron: but there is a #debian on OFTC also |
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| 03:20.19 | lontra | davidprock1981: what's your device under ifconfig |
| 03:20.28 | abrotman | DarkRamon: i don't use gaim for irc .. dunno how it works |
| 03:20.31 | DarkRamon | :P |
| 03:20.34 | DarkRamon | hey abrotman: |
| 03:20.44 | K`zan | Hi Folks, what do I need to add to the system to get the kernel source I have and whatever I need to compile it? |
| 03:20.46 | DarkRamon | do you know if there's a way to download recordmydesktop using apt-get? |
| 03:20.54 | DarkRamon | don't know a repository to add |
| 03:21.01 | DarkRamon | and tried with the deb's and they dont work for me |
| 03:21.04 | abrotman | !info istanbul etch |
| 03:21.05 | davidprock1981 | lontra, i had to goto windows to get on line, so i cant tell at themoment |
| 03:21.13 | iMoron | Great... I did not knew how to get here actualy... it is preconfigure on the Puppy Linux am using... |
| 03:21.15 | DarkRamon | !info istanbul etch |
| 03:21.29 | iMoron | Thanks! |
| 03:21.33 | DarkRamon | !info argentina etch |
| 03:21.45 | DarkRamon | welcome iMoron |
| 03:21.49 | dpkg | istanbul: (Desktop session recorder producing Ogg Theora video), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.2.1-3 (etch), Packaged size: 46 kB, Installed size: 233 kB |
| 03:22.02 | dpkg | istanbul: (Desktop session recorder producing Ogg Theora video), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.2.1-3 (etch), Packaged size: 46 kB, Installed size: 233 kB |
| 03:22.49 | DarkRamon | :P |
| 03:22.51 | lontra | davidprock1981: use a live cd? |
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| 03:23.08 | davidprock1981 | lontra BRB |
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| 03:23.16 | clarity | hey this is pretty weird... there isn't a cursor for my x window |
| 03:23.19 | K-Ryan | Hello again #Debian =) |
| 03:23.22 | clarity | hmm... i can still highlight stuff |
| 03:23.25 | clarity | but no cursor |
| 03:23.54 | K-Ryan | I'm still super new to Debian, what program does it use to look around the system? |
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| 03:24.01 | DarkRamon | thanks man |
| 03:24.01 | K-Ryan | Like KDE's Konqueror |
| 03:24.14 | twb | K-Ryan: you mean a file manager? |
| 03:24.20 | zu22 | having a font problem, can someone take a look at my paste: http://pastebin.ca/649456 |
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| 03:24.24 | K-Ryan | twb: Yeah that's the name I was looking for |
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| 03:24.30 | twb | K-Ryan: whatever you want. |
| 03:24.38 | davidprock1981 | clarity, there is one feature i want added to ion2 |
| 03:24.40 | twb | K-Ryan: e.g. konqueror, nautilus, thunar, mc, Emacs (dired) |
| 03:24.44 | maddash | hey ho |
| 03:24.45 | K-Ryan | twb: The default |
| 03:24.51 | davidprock1981 | and then ill truly love it |
| 03:24.51 | twb | K-Ryan: there isn't one. |
| 03:24.54 | abrotman | twb: you forgot xfe and gentoo! |
| 03:25.02 | clarity | what's that davidprock? |
| 03:25.02 | K-Ryan | twb: Well that's why I didn't find it... =) |
| 03:25.12 | K-Ryan | What do you recommend? |
| 03:25.35 | twb | K-Ryan: that is the wrong question. |
| 03:25.51 | twb | K-Ryan: do you want a point-and-grunt interface? |
| 03:25.54 | clarity | davidprock1981: what's that? |
| 03:26.07 | K-Ryan | I just need something that will get me around my system |
| 03:26.08 | K-Ryan | Nothing fancy |
| 03:26.09 | zu22 | abrotman: any ideas? |
| 03:26.19 | davidprock1981 | clarity, it force all windows in fullscreen mode, well that is what i do most of the time any way, but i got a few games that dont work so well like that......... |
| 03:26.20 | abrotman | zu22: more beer |
| 03:26.38 | twb | K-Ryan: why not just try installing and testing all those programs? |
| 03:26.41 | clarity | that's sort of lame |
| 03:26.50 | K-Ryan | twb: Too much time |
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| 03:26.59 | zu22 | abrotman: lol, this is driving me crazy, i wish i could at least figure out what is causing my fonts to be smaller than normal then i could correct the issue |
| 03:26.59 | K-Ryan | Perhaps another time when I have a smaller agenda |
| 03:27.03 | abrotman | zu22: i haven't seen the issue personally .. but i'd guess it tried to remove those dirs to make them symlinks .. but it couldn't for some reason |
| 03:27.09 | davidprock1981 | clarity, they need at add an option to float the windowtdo u can resize it |
| 03:27.18 | zu22 | abrotman: oh |
| 03:27.29 | krazykit | K-Ryan, then use google and compare their features and screenshots to see what you like |
| 03:27.36 | abrotman | zu22: that's just a guess .. i'm surprised the BTS doesn't have anything |
| 03:27.54 | zu22 | abrotman: so you think the X server can't find my normal fonts (or gnome can't) and is defaulting to these abnormal fonts eh? |
| 03:28.03 | abrotman | zu22: i'd guess |
| 03:28.19 | abrotman | obviously can't be certain without more poking around |
| 03:28.21 | twb | clarity: Normally I only have an emacs window and a few ephemeral windows like evince and netsurf. It makes sense for Emacs to have the whole screen except when I need to refer to an ephemeral window, in which case I split the display vertically. ratpoison, dwm, ion, wmi and even larswm all accomodate this approach more smoothly than an occlusive wm like blackbox or metacity. |
| 03:28.31 | zu22 | abrotman: i went to BTS page and clicked on the Search link and entered "fonts" but saw nothing relevant, most of the hits were old even when i sorted by date |
| 03:28.38 | abrotman | zu22: you could purge one ofthe packages and try to reinstall it |
| 03:28.48 | twb | ion3 has support for floating windows; I believe wmii/dwm does too. |
| 03:28.58 | zu22 | abrotman: i even did 'dpkg-reconfigure x-server' but no change in font problem |
| 03:29.34 | abrotman | i'd guess the fonts packages are the problem |
| 03:29.52 | zu22 | abrotman: ah well i thought of that, i purged xfonts-100dpi so i figured it would then use my 75dpi (larger) ones but that didn't work, i even moved the 75dpi fonts to the top of the list in my font section in xorg.conf but again no change |
| 03:30.08 | K-Ryan | Okay, which file manager is gnome based? |
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| 03:30.21 | maddash | :( |
| 03:30.37 | zu22 | abrotman: i wanted to remove xbase-fonts but it said X would break if i did heh |
| 03:30.38 | twb | K-Ryan: nautilus. |
| 03:30.43 | K-Ryan | Thanks twb |
| 03:30.46 | abrotman | zu22: i'm sure it would |
| 03:30.46 | twb | K-Ryan: to a lesser extent, thunar. |
| 03:30.51 | davidprock1981 | clarity with PWM when u got the tabed window attached to another that is in full screen, the game will start in full screen, but when u change the game size, it WILL allow it , but the parent window will still be maxed, but the game window will have a thick border around it to the parent window |
| 03:30.54 | zu22 | abrotman: so i'll take any suggestions at this point |
| 03:31.13 | twb | davidprock1981: ISTR fluxbox also behaves that way. |
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| 03:31.49 | abrotman | zu22: i'd can the xfonts-100dpi and then make sure the directories it owns are gone (assuming noting else is putting stuffhtere(O |
| 03:32.01 | davidprock1981 | twb, i read that ion can do floating windows but i dont know how to make it do so |
| 03:32.12 | twb | Shrug. |
| 03:32.52 | davidprock1981 | clarity have u used ion2 yeat |
| 03:32.59 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:32.59 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:33.32 | zu22 | abrotman: ok, should i also try purging/reinstalling the xfonts-75dpi after i purge the 100dpi ones? |
| 03:33.34 | clarity | davidprock1981: not really, i installed it but i'm having trouble with my mouse. I'm trying to resolve that error |
| 03:33.56 | davidprock1981 | u need the driver? |
| 03:34.10 | abrotman | zu22: no . like purge xfonts-100dpi and then can the /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/ or whatever folder it complains about |
| 03:34.25 | zu22 | abrotman: that would be a cool debian utility if you could give a dir name as argument and it would return list of any packages that use that :) |
| 03:34.33 | zu22 | abrotman: ok |
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| 03:34.53 | davidprock1981 | BRB all |
| 03:34.55 | abrotman | zu22: it's just a guess though ... i haven't had such an error as you are |
| 03:34.56 | clarity | davidprock1981: the mouse is working and everything there just isn't a cursor |
| 03:35.09 | davidprock1981 | oh? |
| 03:35.10 | clarity | there's a post on a forum that someone from xorg directed me to |
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| 03:35.13 | twb | clarity: you shouldn't have a mouse plugged in. |
| 03:35.34 | twb | Mice are the antithesis of tiling WM. |
| 03:35.48 | davidprock1981 | twb, huh? |
| 03:35.57 | zu22 | abrotman: ok, is there a way i can increase the verbosity level of apt? ie if i did it would have warned me it would be messing with my fonts and i could have stopped it ideally before the upgrade would be allowed to continue |
| 03:36.07 | davidprock1981 | what about many apps that require a mouse |
| 03:36.16 | davidprock1981 | gui ones |
| 03:36.16 | Madd_Matt | I rather like using a mouse. |
| 03:36.18 | twb | They are broken |
| 03:36.29 | abrotman | zu22: you can put a 'set -x' in the postinst or preinst or postrm or whatever scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 03:36.34 | abrotman | zu22: at the top |
| 03:36.43 | davidprock1981 | oh i got a question |
| 03:36.45 | twb | The only ones I can think of offhand are inkscape, gimp and dillo |
| 03:37.09 | zu22 | abrotman: cool i'll keep that in mind next time, thanks |
| 03:37.17 | dondelelcaro | clarity: so your mouse works but the cursor isn't showing? |
| 03:37.36 | clarity | yeah isn't that weird? |
| 03:38.02 | clarity | also when i press "ctrl+alt+back_space" the monitor turns off |
| 03:38.09 | dondelelcaro | clarity: sounds like you've got a cursor set defined that is not very good. |
| 03:38.11 | clarity | it goes to sleep or something and doesn't come back on |
| 03:38.29 | davidprock1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.51 | davidprock1981 | currrently im haveing to xinit ion 2 |
| 03:39.00 | davidprock1981 | or xinit pwm |
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| 03:39.11 | twb | davidprock1981: x-display-manager |
| 03:39.21 | kenji | guys how can I search a string in all the file system? ( / ) |
| 03:39.25 | davidprock1981 | what will thaqt do |
| 03:39.41 | twb | Grr. thunar does not honor LC_COLLATE. |
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| 03:39.51 | abrotman | kenji: grep -R <string> / ... but it will be ugly and take awhile |
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| 03:41.18 | kenji | tnks abrotman I can leave it all the night :) |
| 03:41.26 | kenji | what happen with the binary files? |
| 03:42.12 | kenji | abrotman I don't need to use find? |
| 03:42.25 | abrotman | you could if you wanted to |
| 03:42.28 | davidprock1981 | twb is x-display-manager the standalone replacement equvilent ot kdm or gdm? |
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| 03:43.41 | kenji | abrotman when its going to cat the files? or the grep -R should search the string in all the files (if they are binarys it don't care?) |
| 03:44.15 | abrotman | kenji: try it |
| 03:45.03 | davidprock1981 | im out, probly brb soon, lator |
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| 03:54.41 | unlink | what is /boot/kiwiswap> |
| 03:55.11 | unlink | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 199M 2007-08-03 20:01 /boot/kiwiswap |
| 03:55.26 | unlink | it's consuming almost all of my /boot partition |
| 03:55.29 | twb | unlink: invoke dpkg -S on it. |
| 03:55.32 | kenji | abrotman this test will take all the day and night ... can you tell me if I will work as I hope? please :( |
| 03:55.52 | unlink | twb: not in anything |
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| 03:56.08 | zero | hey, is there a way to convert from Ubuntu to Debian? |
| 03:56.11 | twb | unlink: I've never seen it before. |
| 03:56.15 | twb | zero: not safely |
| 03:56.26 | zero | okay, than an usafe way? |
| 03:56.36 | zero | i want to make a dual boot, but i honly have access to Ubuntu CD |
| 03:56.38 | twb | zero: yes, replace your sources.list then dist-upgrade |
| 03:56.50 | twb | zero: but you REALLY need to understand exactly what you're doing for that to work. |
| 03:56.54 | zero | where can i find the Debian Sources? |
| 03:57.03 | unlink | ftp.debian.org |
| 03:57.06 | zero | thanks |
| 03:57.12 | twb | zero: oh stop, you want something different. |
| 03:57.23 | zero | ok |
| 03:57.40 | zero | what do i want? |
| 03:57.49 | twb | zero: you can use userland tools to install Debian from a running Unix-like OS, and Ubuntu counts as one of those |
| 03:58.08 | zero | ok, is userland tools free? |
| 03:58.12 | twb | Yes. |
| 03:58.31 | zero | it is easy to find using google |
| 03:58.43 | twb | zero: is this i386? |
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| 03:59.02 | zero | yes |
| 03:59.06 | zero | well 686 |
| 03:59.42 | twb | zero: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 04:00.08 | zero | thanks twb |
| 04:00.15 | twb | Note that you can just `aptitude install debootstrap', because Ubuntu includes a lot of Debian work. |
| 04:00.32 | K`zan | Thanks anyhoo folks. |
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| 04:00.39 | twb | That is, you don't need to do D.3.2 the painful way |
| 04:01.00 | zero | so, run that command and then what? |
| 04:01.05 | twb | 13:55 <twb> Note that you can just `aptitude install debootstrap', because Ubuntu includes a lot of Debian work. |
| 04:01.05 | zero | that sounds like a pain in the ass..... |
| 04:01.10 | zero | is userland tools any better |
| 04:01.28 | twb | zero: "userland" just meant that you're not running the normal install CD. |
| 04:01.43 | twb | It *is* a PITA, and if you have access to a Debian install CD it's better to use that. |
| 04:01.45 | simonrvn | zero: 'userland tools' is just another way of saying userspace utilities, or similar. it's not a package or project |
| 04:02.01 | zero | shit |
| 04:02.39 | twb | The reason that page is so long is because it holds your hand through the whole process. |
| 04:02.45 | twb | If you want to be a cowboy you can skip most of it |
| 04:03.14 | zero | so, would it work if i installed a command line only ubuntu and then just replaced the sources.list with debian sources and then updated and installed? |
| 04:03.19 | zero | then ran GDM? |
| 04:04.08 | simonrvn | zero: a) that's not a walk in the park for anyone b) i wouldn't recommend that for a newbie |
| 04:04.17 | twb | zero: no, don't do that |
| 04:04.23 | zero | gotcha |
| 04:04.43 | zero | i just really wanna use a different distro, i heard debian was the best bu ti have no access to any installation media |
| 04:04.51 | twb | The document I just linked to is the best and easiest way to install Debian from a running Ubuntu system if you don't have access to an install CD/DVD/whatever |
| 04:05.34 | zero | thanks, ill give it a shot |
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| 04:07.47 | twb | OO.org is a stinking pile of donkey shite. Is there anything lightweight I can use for viewing -- just viewing, not editing -- OO.org word processor archives, preferably without needing to start X? |
| 04:09.33 | tonsofpcs | what filetype? |
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| 04:09.42 | twb | .sxw, not .odw |
| 04:09.50 | tonsofpcs | ah, so star office write files |
| 04:10.22 | tonsofpcs | although i'm guessing http://ooo2txt.free.fr/ can handle it |
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| 04:10.55 | twb | Yeah, that's the only thing I know. |
| 04:11.22 | tonsofpcs | http://www.vinc17.org/software/sxw2txt |
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| 04:13.25 | twb | Seems like it can only handle ISO 8859-1 |
| 04:14.35 | simonrvn | !info develock-el |
| 04:14.55 | dpkg | develock-el: (additional font-lock keywords for the developers on Emacs), section editors, is optional. Version: 0.34-2 (sid), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 168 kB |
| 04:15.08 | simonrvn | !dmaint develock-el |
| 04:15.13 | simonrvn | !maint develock-el |
| 04:15.15 | dpkg | develock-el: OHASHI Akira <bg66@debian.org> |
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| 04:17.18 | alex12345 | hi ' |
| 04:17.39 | alex12345 | what's the right way to set JAVA_HOME in debian? |
| 04:18.00 | alex12345 | I tried /etc/profile , but it doesnt work |
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| 04:19.24 | simonrvn | twb: ooo2txt is in debian, and similar stuff |
| 04:19.36 | simonrvn | alex12345: usually set by the user, or a script |
| 04:20.02 | alex12345 | I want system wide |
| 04:20.53 | alex12345 | is there a log of this channel somewhere? |
| 04:21.10 | tonsofpcs | yes |
| 04:21.34 | alex12345 | where? |
| 04:21.46 | tonsofpcs | my hard drive |
| 04:22.02 | alex12345 | since when? |
| 04:22.08 | tonsofpcs | how far back do you want? |
| 04:22.12 | twb | alex12345: the beginning of time. |
| 04:22.22 | alex12345 | say for this year |
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| 04:22.43 | twb | Jeez, oo.org is 100MB now. |
| 04:22.48 | tonsofpcs | since november 7th of last year is on my hdd |
| 04:23.04 | twb | That's like, four times bigger than Linux. Talk about bloated crap. |
| 04:23.05 | tonsofpcs | only because I cleared it out and probably backed it up somewhere |
| 04:23.15 | alex12345 | is there a copy in internet? |
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| 04:23.25 | tonsofpcs | 120 MB of logs :) |
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| 04:23.40 | tonsofpcs | [just this channel is 120 MB] |
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| 04:23.48 | alex12345 | do you log only this channg\el? |
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| 04:23.57 | daniel-laptop | is there any issues with the default debian kernel and 4gb+ configs? |
| 04:23.58 | twb | b9.org? |
| 04:24.01 | tonsofpcs | hmm, I'm missing july of this year for some reason... must have been a disk use issue |
| 04:24.14 | tonsofpcs | no, I log every IRC window open on my system |
| 04:24.16 | daniel-laptop | im having an issue that anything i get ith aptitute is currupt, if i have 4gb ram in the server |
| 04:24.23 | daniel-laptop | but once i remove a stick, its fine |
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| 04:25.11 | TiMiDo | hey how do i know a dir from something for example my usb stuff? |
| 04:25.19 | TiMiDo | like my ipods dir so i can mount it |
| 04:25.22 | tonsofpcs | my active freenode logs dir = 568 MB |
| 04:26.00 | tonsofpcs | TiMiDo: plug it in, check dmesg |
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| 04:27.33 | ccfreak2k|laptop | Does mysql fail to start if log files are missing? |
| 04:27.38 | twb | It's awesome how oo.org doesn't work properly in a tiling WM, too, isn't it :-/ |
| 04:28.29 | TiMiDo | scsi 1:0:0:0: Direct-Access Apple iPod 1.62 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 |
| 04:28.29 | TiMiDo | sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] 3964928 2048-byte hardware sectors (8120 MB) |
| 04:28.32 | TiMiDo | there it is |
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| 04:29.46 | TiMiDo | how do i mount it? |
| 04:29.58 | maxdoubt_ | what's the deal w/ dpkgv2? |
| 04:30.03 | twb | TiMiDo: do you use GNOME or XFCE? |
| 04:30.06 | tonsofpcs | mount /dev/sdb /mnt/point |
| 04:30.07 | maxdoubt_ | an attempt to rewrite dpkg? |
| 04:30.12 | ccfreak2k|laptop | TiMiDo, mount -t auto /dev/sdb /path/to/mount I think. |
| 04:30.13 | TiMiDo | twb, gnome |
| 04:30.21 | tonsofpcs | actually, /media/point is probably better |
| 04:30.26 | twb | TiMiDo: you should be able to see it on the left in nautilus' sidebar |
| 04:30.36 | K-Ryan | Where should I start? |
| 04:30.36 | snowbird | how do i get also to save |
| 04:30.44 | TiMiDo | mount: you must specify the filesystem typ |
| 04:30.48 | TiMiDo | twb, i don't see it |
| 04:30.57 | twb | TiMiDo: what version of Debian? |
| 04:31.00 | TiMiDo | sid |
| 04:31.13 | twb | That sounds like you're missing a package. |
| 04:31.41 | TiMiDo | twb, hmm |
| 04:31.45 | twb | TiMiDo: if you do `aptitude install -s gnome', is there a whole bunch of stuff it wants to install? |
| 04:32.21 | TiMiDo | Would download/install/remove packages. |
| 04:32.26 | TiMiDo | yeah twb |
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| 04:32.39 | twb | It's probably in there, called `dbus-bloody-silly' or something |
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| 04:33.05 | twb | I don't remember off the top of my head what. |
| 04:33.05 | musya | doesn anybody know hot to read ntfs |
| 04:33.05 | TiMiDo | so how do you mount this ipod? |
| 04:33.05 | musya | drives? |
| 04:33.05 | TiMiDo | so i can put music in it |
| 04:33.10 | ccfreak2k|laptop | musya, I don't need to read ntfs; my filesystem driver(s) does it for me. |
| 04:33.32 | musya | what do you mean? |
| 04:33.43 | Kevin` | sigh |
| 04:34.05 | musya | your saying that debian will read/write to an nfts drive? |
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| 04:34.33 | TiMiDo | is not a vfat |
| 04:34.35 | TiMiDo | interesting |
| 04:35.35 | twb | TiMiDo: where did you use this iPod before? |
| 04:35.44 | twb | TiMiDo: on an OS X system or a Windows system? |
| 04:35.52 | TiMiDo | windows system twb |
| 04:36.08 | twb | It should use vfat on sdb2, or at least the 2nd gen systems did |
| 04:36.19 | musya | also, is there a way to prevent the windows from opening up so many times when you click on a folders |
| 04:36.35 | TiMiDo | twb, hmm there it is =) |
| 04:36.38 | twb | musya: if you mean GNOME, hold either shift or alt when you open the folder, I forget |
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| 04:36.55 | musya | ah,ok |
| 04:36.58 | musya | thanks |
| 04:37.05 | twb | Then write a nasty letter to GNOME telling them to stop sucking |
| 04:37.22 | bayziders | I am on the debian live cd and I need to write to an hfs partition. How do I do so? |
| 04:37.23 | TiMiDo | what is the extension of the bash program.bs? |
| 04:37.39 | twb | TiMiDo: .bs is not an extension I recognize. |
| 04:37.49 | TiMiDo | what is the extension for bash? |
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| 04:37.58 | twb | .sh, or nothing. |
| 04:38.17 | twb | If you wish to distinguish it from other pseudo-POSIX scripts, .bash. |
| 04:38.45 | twb | The extension is only for users; the important value is the shebang on the first line, which MUST be #!/bin/bash. |
| 04:39.08 | twb | bayziders: sudo modprobe hfs or hfsplus |
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| 04:40.07 | K-Ryan | Can anyone point me in the direction of a how to on video drivers? |
| 04:41.17 | bayziders | How do you hfsplus, I have it installesd |
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| 04:41.31 | tonsofpcs | #!/bin/csh |
| 04:41.35 | DragonD | how do i make deb's? what is that command you run after you have the debian dir and what not |
| 04:42.30 | Seb | tonsofpcs: wrong |
| 04:42.43 | Seb | DragonD: man debuild|dpkg-buildpackage |
| 04:42.45 | tonsofpcs | #!/bin/php |
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| 04:43.30 | Seb | tonsofpcs: there is no such thing as a php binary |
| 04:43.40 | tonsofpcs | I can make one up if I want to :) |
| 04:43.49 | DragonD | seb thanks |
| 04:43.50 | tonsofpcs | #!/bin/cp |
| 04:44.33 | Seb | tonsofpcs: I can make a visualbasic binary, which doesn't imply it makes any sense at all. |
| 04:45.21 | Seb | DragonD: you probably want to find a debian packaging howtot, though, to be able to troubleshoot the problems you might run into when building the debian package. |
| 04:45.25 | Seb | howto* |
| 04:45.47 | DragonD | Seb: yeah i found one |
| 04:45.55 | Seb | k |
| 04:46.30 | K-Ryan | How do I add the non free repos? |
| 04:47.06 | snowbird | howdy laible |
| 04:47.30 | K-Ryan | Anyone? |
| 04:47.51 | Seb | dpkg, tell K-Ryan about non-free |
| 04:48.29 | K-Ryan | I can't help it, I'm a gamer... |
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| 04:51.55 | Seb | K-Ryan: it's fine, don't take dpkg's word for it |
| 04:52.03 | Seb | K-Ryan: lots of us do use non-free and are perfectly fine with it |
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| 04:52.15 | Seb | K-Ryan: although you surely don't wanna ask tarzeau (for instance) about it heh |
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| 04:57.56 | K-Ryan | Seb: I hate to be a newb about things, especially something as easy as this, but I can't seem to get it right. |
| 04:58.37 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.58 | Guerin | \except in rare cases where they only play bub'n'bros |
| 04:59.01 | Seb | K-Ryan: just tack on ' non-free contrib' at the end of any "deb ..." source line you got in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:59.23 | K-Ryan | Oh, contrib is after non-free |
| 04:59.31 | Seb | K-Ryan: before or after, doesn't matter |
| 04:59.37 | K-Ryan | Oh |
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| 05:00.01 | K-Ryan | =) |
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| 05:03.02 | _wfq | hi |
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| 05:03.09 | piper69 | hi |
| 05:03.35 | _wfq | does anyone know why in /var/lib/mysql appear the innodb's information only and not any about miysams? |
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| 05:05.10 | piper69 | guys why i can't connect to my box thru putty, i keep getting "Network error:connection refused" |
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| 05:06.21 | Seb | piper69: sshd isn't running or something in between is blocking tcp port 22 |
| 05:06.28 | stophers_ghost | Hey, I'm loosing my ethernet connection (set to static IP) everytime my server reboots/loses power/etc. Is there a known issue about this? |
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| 05:06.45 | Seb | stophers_ghost: man interfaces, set the corresponding one to "auto" |
| 05:07.35 | SoulChild | hi all ,.. is there a kernel parameter to change the way boot up messages are displayed,... i want it more colorful, like in gentoo, with green "OK"s and red "failed" ... any ideas ? |
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| 05:08.17 | piper69 | Seb how can i check that my ssh is working |
| 05:08.24 | Seb | SoulChild: i don't know of any debian support for that; but in testing and unstable, the default now seems to be something akin to what the "bootsplash" kernel patches used to achieve: better/smaller fonts, on a background image |
| 05:08.37 | clarity | piper69: ssh -l login localhost |
| 05:08.38 | Mitchbbaker | heya all. my computer used to auto power off after system halt now it just halts i can't find an acpi or apm setting in the bios any ideas? |
| 05:08.42 | Seb | piper69: ps aux | grep sshd |
| 05:08.50 | clarity | then type in your pass and if you get a shell it's working |
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| 05:09.17 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: do you shut it down the same way you used to ? What type of machine is it ? |
| 05:09.18 | SoulChild | Seb i am using testing ,... hmm ,... okay thanks |
| 05:09.35 | Seb | SoulChild: maybe it's an unstable thing in the more recent 2.6.22 kernels, then |
| 05:09.39 | Mitchbbaker | Seb: its a dell optiplex gx240 i shut down diff cause i installed kde |
| 05:09.50 | Seb | SoulChild: I assumed testing had it too but that was... well, an assumption |
| 05:10.03 | stophers_ghost | seb: what am I looking for in "Man Interfaces?" |
| 05:10.15 | Seb | stophers_ghost: i did mention "auto", now didn't I ? |
| 05:10.24 | Mitchbbaker | but doing it the normal way in gnome still doesn't auto power off |
| 05:10.30 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: then try to shut it down the same way you used to, and take it from there |
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| 05:10.34 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: ah |
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| 05:11.09 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: does "shutdown -h 0" achieve what you want ? |
| 05:11.16 | Mitchbbaker | i havn't tried |
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| 05:11.22 | Seb | just kidding ;) |
| 05:11.24 | Mitchbbaker | XD |
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| 05:11.36 | Mitchbbaker | i am new to linux XD |
| 05:11.49 | Mitchbbaker | so do i try that? |
| 05:11.58 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: sure; it should shut down properly |
| 05:12.05 | Mitchbbaker | ok ill give it a go bbiab |
| 05:12.07 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: i promise it won't mess anything up |
| 05:12.11 | Mitchbbaker | ok ta |
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| 05:12.49 | Seb | well, at least he was able to type "shutdown" properly heh |
| 05:13.06 | stopher | seb: I'm guessing you want me to read the instruction manual I get when terminal: man interfaces |
| 05:13.38 | Seb | stopher: you seem to possess divinating skills, as this is indeed what I meant by "man interfaces" |
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| 05:13.44 | cokeslut | hi |
| 05:13.54 | Guerin | gh |
| 05:14.15 | stopher | seb: sweet :) |
| 05:14.19 | Seb | heh |
| 05:14.45 | dacs | Seb: root 10378 0.0 0.2 2848 728 pts/1 S+ 22:00 0:00 grep sshd |
| 05:14.54 | Seb | dacs: so it's not running |
| 05:15.03 | Seb | dacs: /etc/init.d/ssh start |
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| 05:15.27 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: so ? |
| 05:15.36 | Mitchbbaker | no good :( |
| 05:15.44 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: is acpid running ? |
| 05:15.45 | Mitchbbaker | just halted |
| 05:15.48 | dacs | Seb: what info you used to know that it's not working please |
| 05:15.51 | Mitchbbaker | whats that? |
| 05:16.18 | Seb | dacs: you should have gotten a line indicating it was running; in your case the only process matching "sshd" was the grep one, so no good |
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| 05:16.29 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: ps aux | grep acpid |
| 05:16.39 | Mitchbbaker | in shell? |
| 05:16.42 | Seb | indeed |
| 05:16.47 | Mitchbbaker | thought so |
| 05:17.04 | dacs | bash: /etc/init.d/ssh: No such file or directory |
| 05:17.06 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: or you could try invocating it by voice command, but it seldom works for me |
| 05:17.09 | Mitchbbaker | out put "root 3744 0.0 0.1 2848 700 pts/1 R+ 15:16 0:00 grep acpid |
| 05:17.10 | Mitchbbaker | " |
| 05:17.19 | Seb | dacs: so ssh is not installed; how exactly do you expect it to run if you don't have it installed ? |
| 05:17.37 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: so it's not running; apt-get install acpid acpi |
| 05:17.42 | Mitchbbaker | ok |
| 05:17.43 | K-Ryan | Hey, I'm trying to setup my nvidia drivers and I'm at this step here. But whenever I "modprobe nvidia" I get "FATAL: Module nvidia not found." http://tinyurl.com/3xqstg |
| 05:18.00 | Seb | K-Ryan: you didn't compile/install the nvidia driver |
| 05:18.03 | Mitchbbaker | ok its installing |
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| 05:18.20 | K-Ryan | Seb: I swear I followed all the steps, I'll go look through them again though... |
| 05:18.23 | Mitchbbaker | done |
| 05:18.41 | Seb | K-Ryan: apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a -t a-i nvidia |
| 05:18.45 | Mitchbbaker | attempt a shut down? |
| 05:18.55 | K-Ryan | Yeah I did that =/ |
| 05:19.07 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: tell me first if apm is running; you should be able to figure it out by reusing the ps line I gave you above |
| 05:19.14 | Mitchbbaker | ok |
| 05:19.23 | Seb | K-Ryan: then it must not have succeeded |
| 05:19.25 | K-Ryan | Hrmm, something was missing though |
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| 05:19.38 | K-Ryan | Seb: Yeah, I tried it again and it's working on something. |
| 05:19.54 | Mitchbbaker | "root 3773 0.0 0.1 2848 704 pts/1 R+ 15:19 0:00 grep acpid |
| 05:19.54 | Mitchbbaker | " |
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| 05:20.04 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: nah; ps aux | grep apm |
| 05:20.13 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: cause grepping |
| 05:20.22 | Seb | for acpi won't tell us shite about apm, now will it ? |
| 05:20.31 | Mitchbbaker | no output |
| 05:20.31 | Mitchbbaker | lol |
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| 05:20.41 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: well at least acpid should be running by now, though |
| 05:20.45 | Mitchbbaker | ok |
| 05:21.02 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: but your result for ps aux | grep acpid tells me otherwise |
| 05:21.13 | Mitchbbaker | oh ok |
| 05:21.18 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: how about /etc/init.d/acpid start |
| 05:21.24 | Mitchbbaker | ok will do |
| 05:21.41 | Mitchbbaker | redo the first grep? |
| 05:22.07 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: "ps aux | grep acpid | grep -v grep"; that'll get rid of the grep line |
| 05:22.12 | Mitchbbaker | ok |
| 05:22.34 | TraceGreen | Hello, after i compile 2.6.22, fdisk just show 8 MB size of my sata harddisk, how can i fix it? |
| 05:23.09 | Seb | TraceGreen: you don't compile kernels, you use debian pre-compiled kernel images |
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| 05:23.45 | diafic | TraceGreen, there is a perfectly good .22 kernel in the repo |
| 05:23.49 | Seb | TraceGreen: because when you compile kernels yourself, you fuck shit up, as you have just proved |
| 05:23.59 | TraceGreen | Seb, So, I want to compile kernel my own, anyway, thanks very much. |
| 05:24.18 | diafic | I'm fairly sure thats not supported |
| 05:24.31 | Seb | TraceGreen: it's your decision indeed; as it is ours not to support that. |
| 05:24.43 | TraceGreen | diafic, so, where can i find that config file? |
| 05:24.53 | diafic | What config? |
| 05:25.06 | TraceGreen | diafic, kernel 2.6.22's config file |
| 05:25.15 | dacs | Seb: i got it to work, thank you for all your help, but please what if i reboot my box, i will have to /etc/init.d/ssh start everytime |
| 05:25.18 | diafic | Fft, like I know. |
| 05:25.23 | diafic | I'm a newb. |
| 05:25.35 | TraceGreen | diafic, ok , thanks! |
| 05:25.41 | diafic | I just know that the debian kernels work and compiling yourself is likely to lead to failure |
| 05:25.42 | Seb | dacs: no |
| 05:25.49 | Seb | dacs: it will automatically start from now on |
| 05:26.02 | dacs | oh cool |
| 05:26.10 | utopia_ | dacs, nope dude /etc/rcX.d/symlink_to_/etc/init.d/ssh will run it @ bootup |
| 05:26.19 | utopia_ | rcX being what runlevel you're running @ |
| 05:26.32 | diafic | pretty lights on my router @_@ |
| 05:26.37 | diafic | blink flicker blink |
| 05:26.50 | K-Ryan | Mine too diafic |
| 05:27.02 | K-Ryan | 3 flicker-ers and a blinker |
| 05:27.06 | diafic | I've got 3 linksys stackable units stacked |
| 05:27.09 | Seb | something challenging |
| 05:27.12 | utopia_ | Seb, whats the meaning of life |
| 05:27.20 | Mitchbbaker | Seb: so what was the outcomne on mine XD |
| 05:27.20 | Seb | something challenging and on topic |
| 05:27.25 | diafic | 1 modem, 1 wireless router/NAT and 1 8 way switch |
| 05:27.25 | K-Ryan | Seb: How about getting world of padman setup? |
| 05:27.26 | Mitchbbaker | i got a little lostXD |
| 05:27.28 | diafic | all those lights |
| 05:27.31 | diafic | all blinking |
| 05:27.39 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: you haven't yet run "ps aux | grep acpid | grep -v grep" |
| 05:27.43 | dacs | seb i got one for you |
| 05:27.44 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: so we're still waiting on ttttha |
| 05:27.50 | utopia_ | careful you dont have an epleptic fit :) |
| 05:27.51 | diafic | Seb, php-gtk. When will it be available through the repo's. |
| 05:27.51 | Seb | tthat* |
| 05:27.53 | Mitchbbaker | oh i did that |
| 05:27.54 | utopia_ | @ diafic |
| 05:27.56 | Mitchbbaker | no output |
| 05:28.10 | diafic | utopia_, *drools* |
| 05:28.14 | Seb | diafic: easy; when it's ready. Which means "faster if you work on it". |
| 05:28.14 | diafic | blink |
| 05:28.17 | diafic | blinkity |
| 05:28.21 | diafic | flicker |
| 05:28.23 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: k; /etc/init.d/acpid start |
| 05:28.26 | Mitchbbaker | ok |
| 05:28.27 | diafic | :o~ |
| 05:28.43 | diafic | Seb, it already works |
| 05:28.53 | diafic | It should be in testing. |
| 05:28.55 | Mitchbbaker | ok no output |
| 05:29.01 | diafic | the question is, why isn't it |
| 05:29.02 | K-Ryan | Seb: If you feel like helping me through it I'd get started now, you've got a 550.2MB download ahead of ya' =) |
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| 05:30.03 | Seb | diafic: http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/php-gtk.html |
| 05:30.06 | Seb | diafic: so it say it got removed |
| 05:30.14 | dacs | Seb: i have vncserver runing on my box , but when i connect from a diffrent computer the screen doesn't fit and i have to scroll up and down left and right |
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| 05:30.32 | Seb | also, PHP plus GTK seems like a fucking evil crossbreed abomination; which in itself is a reason for it not be in debian. |
| 05:30.57 | Seb | dacs: you client can probably scale; read its manpage. |
| 05:31.13 | diafic | seb you broke my world |
| 05:31.13 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: so is it running now ? |
| 05:31.18 | Mitchbbaker | i dunno is it? |
| 05:31.24 | Seb | diafic: take the red pill man |
| 05:31.25 | utopia_ | no it's not |
| 05:31.29 | Mitchbbaker | i got no output when i did the last command |
| 05:31.30 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: rerun this ps line |
| 05:31.41 | diafic | some are red |
| 05:31.43 | diafic | some are blue |
| 05:31.44 | utopia_ | p5-Gtk, python-Gtk.. |
| 05:31.47 | diafic | /0 |
| 05:31.49 | diafic | KERBOOM |
| 05:31.52 | utopia_ | only fair a php-gtk has its place |
| 05:31.55 | piper69 | Seb it doesn't |
| 05:31.56 | Mitchbbaker | diafic: i see a green one |
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| 05:32.21 | diafic | Mitchbbaker, thats a viagra. I don't want a boner when I die |
| 05:32.23 | TraceGreen | what's different between linux-image-2.6.22-1-486 and linux-image-2.6.22-1-686? |
| 05:32.25 | Mitchbbaker | lol |
| 05:32.26 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: not sure why acpid wouldn't start; run 'dpkg -l "apm*"' |
| 05:32.31 | utopia_ | LOL diafic |
| 05:32.31 | diafic | rigor mortis will then dictate an open casket >> |
| 05:32.35 | Seb | TraceGreen: there, seeing the ligth |
| 05:32.51 | twb | TraceGreen: one is optimized for 486 systems, one for 686 systems. |
| 05:32.54 | diafic | it'd just be open at the wrong end :P |
| 05:32.58 | Seb | TraceGreen: one is optimized for 686; the other isn't. Wanna venture a wild guess as to which is which ? :> |
| 05:33.19 | Mitchbbaker | i /msg'd you the outpit |
| 05:33.22 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: there won't be any PM'ing under my watch |
| 05:33.23 | Mitchbbaker | *output |
| 05:33.23 | diafic | TraceGreen, one is for older systems. |
| 05:33.29 | Mitchbbaker | sub huh? |
| 05:33.42 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: well i would reboot now |
| 05:33.42 | TraceGreen | Seb, So, which i should use? 486 or 686? |
| 05:33.50 | Seb | TraceGreen: what CPU do you have ? |
| 05:33.50 | Mitchbbaker | ok rebotting |
| 05:33.54 | Mitchbbaker | bbiab |
| 05:33.58 | dacs | Seb: i even tried to -geometry 1024*768 |
| 05:34.06 | twb | TraceGreen: what does grep model.name /proc/cpuinfo report? |
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| 05:34.36 | TraceGreen | Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz |
| 05:34.41 | twb | Use the 686 one. |
| 05:34.43 | utopia_ | TraceGreen, uname -a and use the arch your kernel has already been compiled for |
| 05:34.53 | TraceGreen | utopia_, thanks |
| 05:35.02 | twb | TraceGreen: you will probably also get a speed increase by installing libc6-686 |
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| 05:35.25 | TraceGreen | twb, thanks, so, Does 686 just run on Intel's chipset? |
| 05:35.40 | Seb | TraceGreen: and amd's usually |
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| 05:35.49 | twb | The 80686 was an intel chipset. |
| 05:35.52 | TraceGreen | Seb, thanks |
| 05:36.05 | twb | Pretty much all modern AMD and Intel CPUs are backwards compatible with it. |
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| 05:37.25 | Mitchbbaker | ok |
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| 05:37.53 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: so is acpid running now; hint, you can't and won't ask me how to figure this out, this time. |
| 05:37.55 | clarity | hey |
| 05:38.05 | clarity | my mouse works but i cannot see the pointer in xorg |
| 05:38.08 | clarity | any clue? |
| 05:38.20 | Seb | clarity: that's interesting :D |
| 05:38.34 | Seb | clarity: maybe decrease the dosage of those drugs ? :> |
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| 05:38.37 | clarity | yeah, also really lame |
| 05:38.59 | Mitchbbaker | Seb: i have no clue as to wether it is running or not XD i am no good at remembering that sort of command when i just C+P it |
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| 05:40.05 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: here's a tip: write down those commands in a text file somewhere; cuz I ain't getting paid to type it fucking 6 or 7 times every evening now am I ? So one last time: ps aux | grep acpid | grep -v grep |
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| 05:40.17 | Mitchbbaker | lol i just found it in the log |
| 05:40.21 | andyp_ | hi |
| 05:40.36 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: i would use ~/command-to-remember-so-my-head-doesnt-get-chopped-off.txt for the name of the text file |
| 05:40.48 | Mitchbbaker | ok XD |
| 05:41.01 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: soooo; running or not, that is the question. |
| 05:41.09 | Mitchbbaker | well i got no output |
| 05:41.18 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: k; do you sue lilo or grub ? |
| 05:41.35 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: (no output means no process matches acpid => not running) |
| 05:41.41 | Mitchbbaker | yeah |
| 05:41.44 | Seb | use* |
| 05:41.45 | Mitchbbaker | ok |
| 05:41.47 | twb | Seb: I sued the polynesian tribes about 20,000 years ago |
| 05:41.51 | Mitchbbaker | oh i use grub |
| 05:42.08 | Mitchbbaker | dual booting with windows |
| 05:42.08 | twb | Well, they HAD routed my forces. |
| 05:42.18 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: k; grep -E '(acpi|apm)' /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 05:42.25 | Mitchbbaker | ok |
| 05:42.36 | Mitchbbaker | nothing |
| 05:42.46 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: do you use a debian pre-compiled kernel image ? |
| 05:42.58 | Mitchbbaker | yes |
| 05:42.58 | andyp_ | just ran modinfo soundcore because no sound the last line means what? vermagic; 2.6.21-2-686 SMP mod_unload 686 |
| 05:43.09 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: which one ? |
| 05:43.13 | Mitchbbaker | well i don't remember compiling anything so i think so |
| 05:43.27 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: dpkg -l "*linux-image*" | grep ii |
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| 05:43.30 | Mitchbbaker | ok |
| 05:43.53 | Mitchbbaker | "dpkg -l "*linux-image*" | grep ii" |
| 05:43.57 | Mitchbbaker | oops |
| 05:44.01 | Mitchbbaker | didn't copy |
| 05:44.08 | andyp_ | MangosDebian: hi |
| 05:44.12 | Mitchbbaker | "ii linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.18+6 " |
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| 05:44.39 | Mitchbbaker | "ii linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.18+6 " |
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| 05:45.01 | Mitchbbaker | oops missed a bit it goes between the first two "ii linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.18+6 " |
| 05:45.11 | Mitchbbaker | i hate that |
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| 05:45.16 | Mitchbbaker | ctupid shell copy |
| 05:45.33 | sciboy | Hey guys, with a SMP kernel how is single threaded applications distributed? |
| 05:45.33 | Mitchbbaker | oll do a pastedump |
| 05:45.43 | sub | [01:33] <Mitchbbaker> sub huh? |
| 05:45.44 | sub | WUT? |
| 05:45.48 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: aight; so then i have only one conclusion: acpi isn't enabled in your BIOS |
| 05:45.59 | Seb | sub: he meant me |
| 05:46.08 | Mitchbbaker | yeah i can't find an oprion for it as i said at the start |
| 05:46.09 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: that meant "no private messaging", by the way |
| 05:46.11 | sub | Oh, then I am still unwanted.. :-( |
| 05:46.11 | sciboy | I mean, if I run two heavy applications will it automatically drop it on two seperate cores? |
| 05:46.21 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: i understand this; nevertheless acpi isn't enabled in your BIOS |
| 05:46.32 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: let's prove it: dmesg | grep -i acpi |
| 05:46.39 | Mitchbbaker | ok |
| 05:46.54 | Seb | sub: well you can't quite compete with me, that's true; but you shouldn't take it so hard ;) |
| 05:47.18 | diafic | sciboy, as I understand it, it trys to put 50% of the load on either core |
| 05:47.31 | diafic | if one thread is HUGELY consuming, it'll probably get a whole core |
| 05:47.39 | Mitchbbaker | DELL GX240 detected: force use of acpi=ht |
| 05:47.39 | Mitchbbaker | ACPI: RSDP (v000 DELL ) @ 0x000fd560 |
| 05:47.39 | Mitchbbaker | ACPI: RSDT (v001 DELL GX240 0x00000007 ASL 0x00000061) @ 0x000fd574 |
| 05:47.39 | Mitchbbaker | ACPI: FADT (v001 DELL GX240 0x00000007 ASL 0x00000061) @ 0x000fd5a8 |
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| 05:47.41 | diafic | but it can't spread one thread over two cores |
| 05:47.47 | diafic | I may be horribly wrong... |
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| 05:48.08 | sciboy | diafic, Yeah, it requires multithreading but I was wondering how it determined how to distribute those threads. |
| 05:48.10 | andyp_ | I notice on boot up this message MP-BIOS BUG 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC |
| 05:48.11 | Mitchbbaker | stuffed that up |
| 05:48.14 | diafic | dualcore is nice so you can do something intensive and not have the rrest of the system grind to a halt |
| 05:48.16 | Mitchbbaker | not used to irc |
| 05:48.20 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: thou shalt not past in here |
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| 05:48.28 | Seb | dpkg, tell Mitchbbaker about paste |
| 05:48.28 | sciboy | diafic, I'm getting myself a 2.4ghz Quad-core. =P |
| 05:48.31 | Mitchbbaker | i was trying to use paster |
| 05:48.36 | diafic | sciboy, I wouldn't |
| 05:48.37 | sub | Distribution of threads over multiple CPUs is done via a jump to conclusions mat |
| 05:48.49 | sciboy | diafic, I take it you dont' do 3D animation then. |
| 05:48.52 | diafic | I'd get an Athlon. |
| 05:48.54 | sub | or as I like to call it... a JMP to conclusions mat! |
| 05:48.57 | diafic | X2. |
| 05:49.12 | diafic | or if I *DID* do animation, I'd have a room full of cheap celeD Dells |
| 05:49.17 | sciboy | diafic, Every single one of my friends recommended otherwise and I trust them on that. |
| 05:49.20 | Mitchbbaker | http://paste.debian.net/34186 |
| 05:49.23 | diafic | and offload my graphics rendering onto those |
| 05:49.27 | sub | Seb: I will have to compete anyways, it's in my blood! |
| 05:49.27 | Seb | sub: see that's why you don't get no love; even for the crowd in here, that reference to JMP is a bit obscure heh |
| 05:49.52 | diafic | because 8 cheap CeleD's can probably out-pace a single Quad |
| 05:50.10 | sub | Darn, I can't find a happy medium. I'm not quite "there" enough for #asm |
| 05:50.13 | diafic | because there is a certain point wher eyou are paying WELL over the odds for those extra few Hz |
| 05:50.17 | Seb | sub: heh |
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| 05:50.31 | diafic | That and the Core2 arch has some SERIOUS flaws |
| 05:50.38 | sciboy | diafic, O RLY? |
| 05:50.52 | diafic | Penix, yay redundancy |
| 05:51.06 | sciboy | diafic, I mean aside from memory bandwidth from what I've seen they benchmark fairly well. |
| 05:51.08 | sub | I R CORE2, I HAZ A FLAW |
| 05:51.12 | Seb | Mitchbbaker: paste "ACPI: Interpreter disabled" in google |
| 05:51.18 | andyp_ | ChanServ: how do I get status to debian-testing? |
| 05:51.27 | Mitchbbaker | seb ok |
| 05:51.39 | diafic | It has some major issues with the design, most of which intel claims can be fixed in microcode |
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| 05:53.37 | diafic | oh, and there was a major cockup in the way it handles paging |
| 05:54.32 | sub | Mousewheel > page up/down |
| 05:54.44 | Penix | heh |
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| 05:56.15 | tarzeau | Seb: huh? |
| 05:56.30 | Seb | tarzeau: debian, non-free, part or not part, the usual :> |
| 05:56.44 | tarzeau | K-Ryan: tried sauerbraten yet?$ |
| 05:57.07 | tarzeau | Seb: it's not distributed on the cds |
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| 05:57.15 | tarzeau | Seb: so, not. it's just there$ |
| 05:57.27 | K-Ryan | tarzeau: Haven't set it up on here yet, but that's next =) |
| 05:57.37 | tarzeau | K-Ryan: great :) |
| 05:57.53 | K-Ryan | Working on World Of Padman, it's cartoony, but oh so fun. |
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| 06:03.09 | piper69 | is there is a way i can log all this channel in a file for later review, just too much good info |
| 06:03.53 | _Ahti | What client do you use? |
| 06:04.10 | piper69 | _Ahti irssi |
| 06:04.27 | _Ahti | you could probably find a script for that |
| 06:05.06 | Spyro_boy | hrmm... |
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| 06:05.22 | _Ahti | Most GUI clients can log |
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| 06:05.30 | _Ahti | Like KSirc |
| 06:05.31 | _Ahti | -.- |
| 06:05.45 | _Ahti | But there might be a irssi script for logs |
| 06:06.02 | _Ahti | if you want i could go and have a quick look at their website -.- |
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| 06:06.08 | Staz | piper69 : /help log |
| 06:06.30 | Staz | then check your status window :) |
| 06:06.58 | _Ahti | ie /window 1 |
| 06:07.06 | litage_ | how do you search google for control characters? for instance, i have a file with lots of "^@" and "^[" characters and i want to find out how to remove them in vi. however, when i google for "vim" and either "^@" or '^@' , google just searches for "vim" |
| 06:07.22 | dacs | Staz thank you |
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| 06:09.51 | piper69 | Staz a little help please |
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| 06:11.05 | clarity | hey, does suspend work in linux yet? |
| 06:12.16 | liable | for some, yes |
| 06:12.43 | _Ahti | ...yet? |
| 06:12.52 | _Ahti | depends |
| 06:12.52 | _Ahti | -.- |
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| 06:13.37 | andyp_ | hi |
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| 06:13.51 | andyp_ | how to boot with the noapic option? |
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| 06:14.16 | liable | append it to your kernel line in grub |
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| 06:16.07 | andyp_ | liable: thanks i am o a labtop with etch get MP-BIOS bug 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC I can still still boot is it anything to worry about? |
| 06:17.08 | liable | andyp_: if its boots, i guess not :) i dont really know much about that sort of thing though |
| 06:17.43 | andyp_ | liable: ok thanks anyway |
| 06:19.00 | andyp_ | MangosDebian: thanks with lmv and LUKS LAST FRIDAY |
| 06:19.13 | lymeca | gnome-system-monitor tells me that my /home ext3 partition has 27.6GB Free but only 5.0GB available. What gives? |
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| 06:22.09 | utopia_ | hey, when i `patch epcam.diff /boot/kernelconf` i get .. patch file is garbage! |
| 06:22.12 | utopia_ | any ideas? |
| 06:22.40 | utopia_ | am i doing something wrong? |
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| 06:23.41 | Azar | :D http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2007/08/poll-shows-majority-favor-vi-as-their.html |
| 06:24.35 | liable | utopia_: what is kernelconf? |
| 06:24.42 | clarity | compiz is saying "Xfree86-dri" is mising on display :0.0 and glx_sgix_fbconfig is missing |
| 06:25.47 | andyp_ | liable; I cannot get sound to work what is your understanding of this line in modinfo soundcore here isthe line vermagic: 2.6.21-2.686 SMP mod_unloaded 686? |
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| 06:26.52 | andyp_ | liable: should read mod_unload |
| 06:27.38 | liable | andyp_: indeed, mine does |
| 06:27.45 | liable | andyp_: is it actually loaded? |
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| 06:28.24 | en1gma | how do i format a floppy with fat fs in linux |
| 06:28.57 | en1gma | mkdosfs /dev/fd0 dont work |
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| 06:29.19 | erpo | When I want to print something from my linux laptop to my windows-only printer, I print to a PDF file, transfer the PDF file across the network, and print the PDF file on the Windows machine. Is there a way to automate this process so that I can just print without going through the hassle every time? |
| 06:29.20 | andyp_ | liable: not sure whats the line to check etc/init.d/alsa reload? |
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| 06:30.48 | en1gma | anyone? |
| 06:31.01 | en1gma | i need to get this floppy formatted for msods fs |
| 06:31.23 | RockerMONO | en1gma: borrow a windows computer?... :) |
| 06:31.30 | RockerMONO | s/borrow/use/ even |
| 06:31.49 | en1gma | ive done it before but it was a long time ago |
| 06:32.29 | liable | andyp_: lsmod |
| 06:33.34 | RockerMONO | erpo: you can make the windows machine a private-network-only server and have file uploads [with authentication, of course] and set it up so that when the file is uploaded it executes a program that prints it |
| 06:33.53 | andyp_ | liable; ok you mean Ismod instead of alsa |
| 06:34.01 | en1gma | is a floppy drive called fd0 or floppy in debian |
| 06:34.08 | RockerMONO | erpo: if you know how to tell the program to print the file it's *very* simple :) |
| 06:34.09 | _Ahti | Has anyone got "Sibelius" running under WINE properly? |
| 06:34.16 | en1gma | ./dev/fd0 and /dev/floppy dont work |
| 06:34.29 | erpo | RockerMONO: That would be cool. Is there such a simple printing support program for Windows? |
| 06:34.33 | liable | andyp_: no lsmod |
| 06:34.39 | liable | to see if its loaded |
| 06:34.54 | _Ahti | Any musicians here? |
| 06:34.57 | RockerMONO | erpo: i think you need to call a program based on file extension |
| 06:35.03 | RockerMONO | _Ahti: me :) why? |
| 06:35.08 | andyp_ | liable: ok I will give it a try |
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| 06:35.25 | RockerMONO | erpo: for PDFs their should be a command-line way of having it open a file, print it, and close the program |
| 06:35.27 | en1gma | jesus hell can someone tell me how to make a msdos fs or fat16 from in debian |
| 06:35.45 | erpo | RockerMONO: Maybe if I install cygwin on the Windows box I'll be able to find/write such a tool. |
| 06:35.47 | RockerMONO | en1gma: i dont think anyone here knows... |
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| 06:36.01 | erpo | RockerMONO: Though I'd rather not go through the effort if there's a pre-built solution for this. |
| 06:36.07 | _Ahti | <--- Guitaris, there's a little program called "GuitarPro" that in my opinion can be very handy for writing down your songs... however, i've had no succes in getting it running |
| 06:36.18 | xand | en1gma: install dosfstools which'll give you mkfs.vfat |
| 06:36.18 | _Ahti | I was just wondering if anyone else had |
| 06:36.27 | en1gma | oh ok |
| 06:36.28 | en1gma | thnx |
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| 06:36.34 | RockerMONO | _Ahti: guitar pro is straight *HORRIBLE* |
| 06:36.35 | _Ahti | There's also a tool called "Sibelius" for windows i'd love to get running under Debian |
| 06:36.54 | _Ahti | Disagreed |
| 06:36.58 | RockerMONO | really? |
| 06:37.03 | _Ahti | It isn't just for newbies ;) |
| 06:37.30 | RockerMONO | whenever i use it i give up and type the tabs out by hand in half the time it takes me to get 1 line in guitar pro |
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| 06:37.52 | _Ahti | Yeah it takes a while... at first -.- |
| 06:38.03 | RockerMONO | _Ahti: but... i had a probably damn-near-impossible idea that would be good if someone pulled it off |
| 06:38.13 | en1gma | is the floppy drive = /dev/fd0 or /dev/floppy cause i cant seem to do either one with mkfs.vfat |
| 06:38.20 | _Ahti | but if you use the NumPad, i can do it a hell of a lot faster than using a normal pen and paper |
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| 06:38.38 | _Ahti | RockerMONO, ? |
| 06:38.40 | xand | en1gma: they should be the same |
| 06:38.40 | RockerMONO | _Ahti: i'm thinking a program that analyzes a song for guitars, and writes out tabs... |
| 06:38.44 | RockerMONO | _Ahti: see why i think it's damn-near-impossible? haha |
| 06:38.57 | en1gma | CPU02:/home/nunyerb# mkfs.vfat /dev/fd0 |
| 06:38.57 | _Ahti | Yes -.- |
| 06:38.57 | en1gma | mkfs.vfat 2.11 (12 Mar 2005) |
| 06:38.57 | en1gma | /dev/fd0: No such file or directory |
| 06:39.07 | andyp_ | liable: just remind me what line I should e looking for when I run lsmod |
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| 06:39.10 | _Ahti | There's no such thing in existance |
| 06:39.12 | RockerMONO | _Ahti: but you gotta admit it's a great idea, isn't it? |
| 06:39.21 | _Ahti | Yes it is |
| 06:39.26 | liable | andyp_: soundcore |
| 06:39.40 | liable | andyp_: lsmod|grep soundcore |
| 06:39.45 | xand | en1gma: modprobe floppy? |
| 06:39.47 | andyp_ | liable: ok |
| 06:39.47 | _Ahti | Writing tabs down is arguous |
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| 06:40.13 | en1gma | CPU02:/home/nunyerb# modprobe floppy |
| 06:40.13 | en1gma | FATAL: Error inserting floppy (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-486/kernel/drivers/block/floppy.ko): No such device |
| 06:40.13 | RockerMONO | _Ahti: i type them in notepad on windows or mousepad on debian :) |
| 06:40.30 | _Ahti | Bah |
| 06:40.35 | _Ahti | Takes too long |
| 06:40.43 | RockerMONO | quicker than writing them :) |
| 06:40.48 | RockerMONO | ahhh |
| 06:40.49 | RockerMONO | g2g |
| 06:40.50 | RockerMONO | 'night |
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| 06:40.53 | _Ahti | -.- |
| 06:40.55 | TraceGreen | hello, after i get kernel source, how shall i compile ? |
| 06:41.10 | en1gma | so what i cant write to a floppy |
| 06:41.11 | TraceGreen | I get *.dsc, *.orig.tar.gz and *.diff.gz |
| 06:41.13 | _Ahti | read the "README" |
| 06:41.14 | en1gma | ? |
| 06:41.15 | _Ahti | !!!!!!!! |
| 06:41.20 | xand | en1gma: is your floppy drive connected and enabled in bios? |
| 06:41.28 | sub | TLDR |
| 06:41.29 | andyp_ | liable: soundcore 7424 1 SND |
| 06:41.36 | en1gma | i think its enabled... |
| 06:41.40 | en1gma | let me reboot and check |
| 06:41.42 | en1gma | brb |
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| 06:42.12 | liable | andyp_: looks like its loaded then, dunno why yours says mod_unloaded |
| 06:44.39 | liable | your using wpasupp to connect with wep? |
| 06:44.44 | liable | doh |
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| 06:45.00 | andyp_ | liable: the full check says /lib/modules/2.6.21-2-686/kernel/sound/sound.ko then the last line vermagic: 2.6.21.-2.686 SMP mod_unload 686 |
| 06:45.11 | clarity | would there be a benefit of running xgl? |
| 06:45.16 | clarity | other than to run compiz? |
| 06:45.21 | liable | no |
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| 06:47.03 | andyp_ | liable: it says "unload" not "unloaded" means the same thing I suppose |
| 06:47.15 | robboplus | is it possible to dig for files with an exact date/time stamp? |
| 06:47.27 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: you mean find? |
| 06:47.37 | robboplus | dondelelcaro hm.. yes |
| 06:47.47 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: yes; man find, and read about ctime et al. |
| 06:47.49 | robboplus | checking the syntax of find btw :) |
| 06:47.54 | robboplus | so ctime is the shit ;) |
| 06:48.00 | robboplus | thank you - checking up |
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| 06:49.41 | liable | andyp_: mine says mod_unload too, no idea what it means |
| 06:50.00 | andyp_ | liable: but you have sound |
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| 06:50.09 | liable | yes i do |
| 06:50.21 | liable | andyp_: does it work for root? |
| 06:50.32 | streuner | robboplus: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/UsingFind?highlight=%28find%29 |
| 06:50.37 | liable | andyp_: are you in audio group? have you run alsaconf? |
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| 06:50.50 | liable | are the other sound modules loaded? |
| 06:50.53 | K-Ryan | Does anyone play world of padman? I'm having trouble starting it up... |
| 06:51.06 | robboplus | dondelelcaro i really DONT understand the man for ctime... |
| 06:51.15 | robboplus | streuner thank you - checking! |
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| 06:51.31 | andyp_ | liable: yes i have run alsaconf and yes i am in audio group |
| 06:51.40 | streuner | robboplus: so check out the URL we gave you |
| 06:51.49 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: ctime is measured in days; so if you want a file that was created exactly 5 days -ctime 5; more than 5 days, -ctime +5, less, -ctime -5; et al. |
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| 06:52.19 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: the info page has more information, and/or asking specific questions about what you're confused about is useful. |
| 06:52.35 | andyp_ | liable: i am going to run /etc/init.d/alsa reload see what the output is |
| 06:52.35 | robboplus | dondelelcaro i need more than that... not just days but exact hours and minutes |
| 06:52.45 | Azar | andyp_: you could also check to see if alsa is loaded at bootup or is oss running and blocking it, also.... see if your player is instructed to use alsa.... also, check to see if your speakers are correctly connected... |
| 06:53.20 | robboplus | eg. i need to find and remove all files in some path that were created on the 7th between 2pm and 6pm |
| 06:53.31 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: then use cmin |
| 06:53.36 | robboplus | hm. |
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| 06:53.41 | streuner | robboplus: btw, _why_? |
| 06:53.43 | K-Ryan | I'm going to bed, see ya' guys |
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| 06:54.00 | robboplus | streuner i have some wicked backup system that adds files every 5 minutes |
| 06:54.14 | robboplus | streuner so they grow in a day or two.. then i want to trash older ones |
| 06:54.16 | andyp_ | Azar; speakers are ok how to check if oss is runing and blocking it? |
| 06:54.33 | liable | !soundtest |
| 06:54.38 | liable | bah |
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| 06:54.49 | robboplus | streuner it would be ideal to be able to dig in that path at midnight and remove older files |
| 06:54.50 | streuner | !alsa checklist |
| 06:54.51 | dpkg | well, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 06:55.51 | streuner | sounds like a job for cron, if you "find" the right command for ;-) |
| 06:56.11 | andyp_ | Azar; whats the line to see if it loaded at boot up |
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| 06:57.19 | robboplus | streuner yes.. |
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| 06:57.45 | robboplus | ..and that page has a really poor documentation of time functions in find :) |
| 06:57.58 | robboplus | basically the only (stupid) example is mtime +30 |
| 06:58.09 | robboplus | which is really nothing compared to what find can do |
| 06:58.12 | streuner | hm, thats why we gave you the URL |
| 06:58.25 | robboplus | http://wooledge.org/mywiki/UsingFind?highlight=%28find%29 <--this one? |
| 06:58.32 | streuner | yep |
| 06:58.42 | robboplus | that's the one i just commented :) |
| 06:58.57 | streuner | :-) |
| 06:58.57 | robboplus | it says only about mtime in there |
| 06:59.20 | robboplus | got some interesting facts off it but still no real life examples of nice searches |
| 06:59.34 | streuner | so it shouldnt be a problem to follow dondelelcaro's advice then :-) |
| 06:59.39 | robboplus | time to use some brain and play with find then :) |
| 06:59.54 | robboplus | hm what advice was that? |
| 07:00.03 | jelly-home | info find? |
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| 07:00.23 | robboplus | !info find :) |
| 07:00.30 | streuner | <dondelelcaro> robboplus: then use cmin |
| 07:00.31 | jelly-home | robboplus: the "use -cmin" bit |
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| 07:00.50 | robboplus | jelly oh in fact... yes |
| 07:01.17 | robboplus | yes, i totally forgot.. but still.. it wants this amount or that amount of minutes plus or minus |
| 07:01.20 | jelly-home | I meant, RTFM. GNU software has docs in info. |
| 07:01.32 | robboplus | jelly-home did you try to read man for find? |
| 07:01.39 | robboplus | and learn how to use ctime from that? :) |
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| 07:01.45 | andyp_ | hi |
| 07:01.53 | robboplus | -ctime n |
| 07:01.54 | robboplus | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:01.54 | robboplus | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:01.56 | robboplus | oh sorry. |
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| 07:02.10 | robboplus | really sorry about that, just a bit too many lines |
| 07:02.38 | robboplus | anyway i don't want/need this: File’s status was last changed n minutes ago. |
| 07:02.49 | robboplus | i want to tell find to dig up a file created on 6.15pm |
| 07:02.56 | robboplus | or last changed at 6.15pm rather |
| 07:03.04 | andyp_ | Azar; /etc/init.d/asla reload works ok speakers ok |
| 07:03.09 | robboplus | and how would i do such a trivial thing? man won't tell me... |
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| 07:03.35 | streuner | use google then |
| 07:03.39 | andyp_ | ! alsa checklist |
| 07:03.40 | dpkg | well, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 07:03.43 | streuner | it has plenty of examples |
| 07:04.05 | streuner | http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Security/A_Couple_Quick_find_Tips <-- first hit for "find cmin" |
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| 07:04.07 | jelly-home | robboplus: who said man? info. |
| 07:04.10 | mancubus | Hello! |
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| 07:04.46 | mancubus | How I may append text to file, to head? If I make >> data appends in tail if file. |
| 07:05.20 | andyp_ | Azar:how to check if oss is not blocking as you suggested before? |
| 07:06.04 | robboplus | thank you jelly and streuner |
| 07:06.24 | andyp_ | Azar: ie to unload OSS modules |
| 07:06.27 | robboplus | ...but i will cut a script for that which will use sed or some other goody |
| 07:06.29 | streuner | thank dondelelcaro, he gave you the right hint :-) |
| 07:06.44 | robboplus | no, actually i won't use find at all :) |
| 07:06.56 | streuner | DOH |
| 07:07.06 | robboplus | why caps :) |
| 07:07.26 | cahoot | andyp_, run aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav in a term - noise or error msg? |
| 07:07.32 | jelly-home | robboplus: find -daystart -mmin +$((60*6)) -mmin +$((60*5)) <-- yesterday from 6pm to 7pm, according to TFM. Haven't tried. |
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| 07:07.54 | jelly-home | er, one + should be a - |
| 07:08.17 | robboplus | jelly-home... thank you!! |
| 07:08.29 | robboplus | let me get really high with that line and test it :s |
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| 07:09.39 | robboplus | meh, didn't work |
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| 07:10.02 | robboplus | it just listed everything.. but i get the idea, let me try something |
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| 07:10.16 | andyp_ | Azar; when i run alsamixer all the levels are zero and under the top section under "Item" it reads Master [dB gain=-94.50 -94.50] |
| 07:10.59 | cahoot | andyp_, run invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 |
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| 07:11.55 | robboplus | jelly-home... it would be so much easier with just ls -la and grep combo ;) |
| 07:11.57 | andyp_ | cahoot: thanks i will give a try |
| 07:12.06 | robboplus | so stupid but it works |
| 07:12.11 | jelly-home | robboplus: yeah, so do it the easiest way |
| 07:12.26 | jelly-home | it's a one time job anyway |
| 07:12.27 | robboplus | i always go for easiest methods |
| 07:12.35 | robboplus | nono it's a daily job |
| 07:12.43 | jelly-home | oh |
| 07:12.46 | robboplus | but stuff is always the same |
| 07:12.52 | jelly-home | then do it the correct way ;-) |
| 07:12.53 | robboplus | same timestamps, just different days |
| 07:12.56 | robboplus | lol ya |
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| 07:14.00 | jelly-home | but whatever, find really is failing for this particular issue, or you have to compute the relative difference in minutes compared to now |
| 07:14.28 | robboplus | right |
| 07:14.41 | robboplus | and that's why i said that man isn't really a solution - find just can't cut that |
| 07:14.52 | robboplus | and i'm really surprised how poor find is in this case |
| 07:14.58 | robboplus | to see how* |
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| 07:17.50 | jelly-home | robboplus: start=$(( ( $(date +%s) - $(date -d '3pm yesterday' +%s) ) / 60 )) |
| 07:18.26 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: or just use -daystart |
| 07:18.40 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: it doesn't work for -?min |
| 07:19.04 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it says that it does. |
| 07:19.31 | dondelelcaro | (so if it doesn't it's a bug) |
| 07:19.50 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: that was my first thought, but then I tested. hm, lemme whip up some more files, then |
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| 07:20.59 | loesh | hmm, which user executes the cron.daily scripts? |
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| 07:21.39 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it certainly works here |
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| 07:22.09 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: [...] ah, buggy test. |
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| 07:22.42 | dondelelcaro | loesh: root |
| 07:22.52 | dondelelcaro | loesh: but see /etc/crontab |
| 07:23.24 | jelly-home | robboplus: so something like that line above ought to do the trick |
| 07:23.26 | loesh | ahh ok :) , thing is it complains about locales. but if i execute the scripts manually as root they work fine.. |
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| 07:28.05 | andyp_ | hi |
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| 07:30.49 | andyp_ | cahoot: thanks I did the invoke line and it has made the levls in alsamixer respond the top of the screen now reads ITEM master [db gain=-18.00 -18.00] not sure what that means but the diffrent levels have been activated |
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| 07:33.08 | Injen | Anyone have experience with and/or have had any problems installing debian based os's dual boot on thinkpads? |
| 07:33.15 | diafic | nope |
| 07:33.16 | Injen | Possibly* :) |
| 07:33.19 | diafic | thinkpads are wonderful |
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| 07:33.29 | diafic | everything "just worked" on the machines I've used |
| 07:33.51 | diafic | (except the wifi card, which was third party) |
| 07:34.08 | diafic | ... still worked anyway (RA2500 and a atheros) |
| 07:34.22 | Injen | I have a few problem, making it difficult to install an os :P |
| 07:34.29 | diafic | hm? |
| 07:34.31 | diafic | no CD? |
| 07:34.57 | robboplus | jelly-home sorry i was afk trying to work out a good script |
| 07:35.01 | Injen | A piece of metal had literally got jammed into an usb port, and since I've tried to reload drivers and all, to no avail. I think the hard ware is damaged. |
| 07:35.17 | robboplus | jelly-home really nice to see that you care and try to help |
| 07:35.18 | Injen | None the less, the thinkpad had no built in cd drive nor usb ports :P |
| 07:36.06 | Injen | And I fear trying to get this thing fixed more than setting it up dual boot :) |
| 07:36.14 | diafic | Injen, what model? |
| 07:36.18 | Injen | x40 |
| 07:36.19 | robboplus | Injen must be some old TP then |
| 07:36.24 | diafic | Just get the dock |
| 07:36.27 | robboplus | x40? that needs a dock |
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| 07:36.29 | diafic | it can't be more than $20 |
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| 07:36.36 | robboplus | it's an ultra-thin one without ports... |
| 07:36.40 | diafic | my x20 was lovely |
| 07:36.41 | robboplus | and it comes with a dock... |
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| 07:36.51 | Injen | your right, I didnt even think of it :/ It doesn't connect via usb. Thats an option |
| 07:36.52 | robboplus | so if you got it without a dock then it was a rip off :) |
| 07:37.25 | robboplus | it got a special "plate" with all that stuff you can imagine but then it becomes twice as thick |
| 07:37.35 | Injen | I came with a back up battery "dock", both of which are things I've,, accumulated* |
| 07:37.45 | robboplus | and X serie is meant to be used for "light" stuff when no extras are required for extra mobility |
| 07:37.59 | diafic | I wish my x20 still had a working LCD |
| 07:38.02 | diafic | that'd rule. |
| 07:38.04 | robboplus | i love X so much.. i could buy any amount of them just for fun |
| 07:38.18 | diafic | Hmm? |
| 07:38.22 | robboplus | got 2 T serie here... T23 and T40 |
| 07:38.24 | diafic | you're evl ;; |
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| 07:38.28 | diafic | have you got a x20? |
| 07:38.33 | robboplus | not anymore |
| 07:38.34 | diafic | I'd buy it from you >>; |
| 07:38.35 | Injen | Dod you do something to it? :P or did it die of natural causes? |
| 07:38.36 | diafic | damn ;; |
| 07:38.41 | robboplus | but if i get a good deal i will buy 10 of them, trust me :) |
| 07:38.47 | diafic | the screen cracked on my x20 |
| 07:38.51 | EruditeHermit | what laptop brands would you recommend for debian? Also any models in particular? |
| 07:38.51 | Injen | Ahh |
| 07:38.55 | diafic | it DID take a very high fall though |
| 07:39.02 | robboplus | EruditeHermit get ibm thinkpad |
| 07:39.02 | diafic | and it was ONLY the screen that died |
| 07:39.11 | Injen | Crap, as much as I throw that thing around,, |
| 07:39.12 | diafic | yeah, as a rule: |
| 07:39.23 | robboplus | diafic my t23 took a nice flight last year and... nothing broke.. it didn't shut down even :) |
| 07:39.28 | diafic | <someguy> What laptop should I <linux, as a whole> Thinkpad. |
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| 07:39.45 | diafic | robboplus, it also crashed every time it moved suddenly |
| 07:39.48 | robboplus | TP is the shit... buy one and you will love it |
| 07:39.48 | EruditeHermit | robboplus: is it still good with lenovo? |
| 07:39.50 | diafic | and it wasn't a disk issue |
| 07:39.57 | robboplus | EruditeHermit NO |
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| 07:40.04 | robboplus | get after lease... true TP |
| 07:40.06 | diafic | but it was about a decade old |
| 07:40.32 | Injen | diafic: out of curiosity, did you sacrafice IBM access installing nix? |
| 07:40.38 | h3sp4wn | EruditeHermit: I would get a panasonic toughbook |
| 07:40.42 | EruditeHermit | robboplus: IBM doesn't make thinkpads anymore |
| 07:40.46 | robboplus | EruditeHermit i'm just not sure what computing power you need but for most tasks T40 would do or T23 even |
| 07:40.48 | Injen | And rapid restore and the like? |
| 07:40.58 | diafic | Injen, it was second hand and had no disk |
| 07:41.02 | robboplus | EruditeHermit that's why i said to get an afterlease one |
| 07:41.07 | diafic | I just shoved a 40GB IDE disk in it and off it went |
| 07:41.20 | EruditeHermit | robboplus: what about new laptops? |
| 07:41.24 | Injen | Nice |
| 07:41.31 | h3sp4wn | robboplus: You cannot do that if the company says here choose a laptop |
| 07:41.32 | diafic | worked flawlessly until it took its flight down the center of a staircase |
| 07:41.35 | EruditeHermit | h3sp4wn: any models to look at in particular? |
| 07:41.38 | robboplus | EruditeHermit 90% made in far east... with all its pros and cons |
| 07:41.49 | robboplus | EruditeHermit stay away from fujtisu for instance.. also acer |
| 07:41.54 | robboplus | fujitsu* |
| 07:42.01 | robboplus | i would buy toshiba eventually |
| 07:42.09 | diafic | robboplus, know where I can get an x40 cheapish? |
| 07:42.20 | robboplus | diafic find a decent shop on ebay |
| 07:42.28 | diafic | Also: Acer aren't that bad |
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| 07:42.32 | robboplus | sometimes you can get a really great deal |
| 07:42.33 | Injen | Can send a man to the moon but can't make a laptop impervious to falling 2 feet. :) |
| 07:42.35 | diafic | I'm on a Acer Aspire 5051AWXMI |
| 07:42.37 | diafic | its OK |
| 07:42.44 | diafic | everything works except the cardreader |
| 07:42.53 | robboplus | diafic well yes some of them are OK... you need to be lucky though |
| 07:42.56 | twb | diafic: using only Free software? |
| 07:43.01 | diafic | I did some research |
| 07:43.03 | robboplus | Injen he he |
| 07:43.04 | EruditeHermit | what about Dell? I have a Dell now and its had so many repairs that I am hesitant to buy one. But the new dells might be different? |
| 07:43.07 | diafic | twb, everything. |
| 07:43.15 | diafic | I've not gotten around to fighting with fglrx yet |
| 07:43.16 | robboplus | EruditeHermit don't buy dell |
| 07:43.24 | diafic | don't buy a dell |
| 07:43.27 | robboplus | EruditeHermit what computing power do you need? |
| 07:43.27 | diafic | HOWEVER |
| 07:43.28 | h3sp4wn | EruditeHermit: I would go for fully rugged but only because I have broken every other laptop I have ever had for longer than about 6 months |
| 07:43.32 | diafic | their server gear is OK |
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| 07:43.45 | h3sp4wn | EruditeHermit: except a sparcbook ages ago |
| 07:43.46 | Injen | Wether Dells run ok or not,,, they are put together horribly. |
| 07:43.52 | robboplus | EruditeHermit is it just for basic jobs or something cpu consuming etc. |
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| 07:43.56 | diafic | my recommendation to anyone: an original, second hand IBM |
| 07:43.58 | Injen | Plastic squeaks :P |
| 07:44.03 | robboplus | diafic exactly. |
| 07:44.15 | diafic | or an acer aspire 5051 |
| 07:44.20 | diafic | because its actually quite pleasant |
| 07:44.23 | robboplus | Injen that's why you want true TP :) nothing squeaks and it's even impossible to bite this thing :) |
| 07:44.26 | diafic | if a bit hot running |
| 07:44.26 | Injen | Can't life a Dell laptop up without waking the neighbors. :) |
| 07:44.27 | EruditeHermit | I need a tough rugged light small notebook with decent power to do normal things and a little light video editing |
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| 07:44.35 | EruditeHermit | nothing spectacular on the power front |
| 07:44.47 | diafic | EruditeHermit, do you WANT me to say it again? |
| 07:44.51 | robboplus | please remember about noise.. that's the main issue with all made in china crap |
| 07:44.53 | diafic | I.B.M |
| 07:45.13 | robboplus | EruditeHermit so if you just need a decent machine get old IBM T23 |
| 07:45.13 | diafic | "No one ever got fired for buying IBM" |
| 07:45.13 | Injen | [ets :) Pets woulda worked too :) |
| 07:45.19 | EruditeHermit | diafic: its not an option as I can't get it new |
| 07:45.26 | diafic | EruditeHermit, Hmm |
| 07:45.37 | diafic | lenovo build x40's still? |
| 07:45.38 | robboplus | EruditeHermit 1.1ghz of real cpu seed, up to 1GB of ram and up to 80GB hdd |
| 07:45.44 | diafic | its still an IBM design |
| 07:45.48 | diafic | so it should be OK |
| 07:45.54 | robboplus | EruditeHermit wonderful kb and lcd - vivid and sharp colors |
| 07:45.56 | EruditeHermit | diafic: what about X60? |
| 07:45.56 | h3sp4wn | EruditeHermit: http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/fully-rugged.asp |
| 07:45.59 | diafic | maybe a lenovo x60 if they make them |
| 07:46.14 | robboplus | and NO T23 was made by lenovo ever.. so they are all original |
| 07:46.16 | diafic | I still want a x41 tablet |
| 07:46.24 | robboplus | that stuff cost like 2500 usd in 2002 |
| 07:46.26 | robboplus | top notch :) |
| 07:46.45 | EruditeHermit | h3sp4wn: that looks pretty rugged |
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| 07:47.07 | h3sp4wn | EruditeHermit: It will not break that is what I need in a laptop |
| 07:47.19 | robboplus | h3sp4wn my T23 landed on the floor 2 times |
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| 07:47.36 | robboplus | nothing broke... it was used in military.. and they still have plenty of those in use |
| 07:47.43 | Injen | x40 Is the smallest beast I've ever had the privilege of working with, or destroying :) |
| 07:47.46 | EruditeHermit | h3sp4wn: that is something that I am looking for panasonic and IBM/Lenovo look promising |
| 07:48.05 | robboplus | EruditeHermit if you buy lenovo it won't be what you expect |
| 07:48.11 | Injen | That IBM Rapid restore is well, my 2nd lifes personal lord and savior. :) |
| 07:48.14 | robboplus | cheaper plastics etc. |
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| 07:48.31 | robboplus | Injen lmao @ beast ;) |
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| 07:48.51 | EruditeHermit | robboplus: did they screw it up that much in such a short time? |
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| 07:49.04 | Injen | :) |
| 07:49.06 | EruditeHermit | robboplus: they inherited all the same technology |
| 07:49.16 | EruditeHermit | robboplus: and they build the original thinkpads anyway |
| 07:50.06 | robboplus | EruditeHermit just buy one and talk then :) |
| 07:50.11 | h3sp4wn | robboplus: I have broken a thinkpad before just by dropping it down a metal staircase |
| 07:50.13 | robboplus | i know TP and lenovo inside out.. |
| 07:50.29 | diafic | h3sp4wn, mine took a drop two floors down the center of a staircase |
| 07:50.33 | diafic | onto tile |
| 07:50.42 | diafic | crashed and the screen was destroyed |
| 07:50.47 | diafic | the machine is sound though |
| 07:50.52 | diafic | its now a silent desktop |
| 07:51.08 | diafic | italian job now |
| 07:51.10 | h3sp4wn | same as mine the harddrive was destroyed also |
| 07:51.22 | h3sp4wn | which was the important thing |
| 07:52.00 | Injen | I've never gone through a hard drive amazingly. |
| 07:52.11 | EruditeHermit | robboplus: do all new laptop manufacturers suck so much that the only good ones are IBM thinkpads that are more than a year old? |
| 07:52.23 | EruditeHermit | robboplus: I find that amusing but not unlikely |
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| 07:53.44 | Injen | I have the mind to buy another thinkpad just for nix's, and keep this as my win box. I am actually scared to lose windows. :) |
| 07:53.51 | EruditeHermit | robboplus: I'll try to discuss getting an old laptop but if that isn't an option, then what? |
| 07:54.00 | Penix | a year? heh |
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| 07:55.34 | Injen | Howcome noone talks of Vaio any more? :) |
| 07:55.42 | Injen | Viao? :/ |
| 07:57.20 | Injen | That thing was nice, had and I believe introduced swapable drives. |
| 07:58.27 | h3sp4wn | The ultra portables are usually well supported by linux but not very durable |
| 07:58.28 | Injen | Come to think of it,, that was the only good thing about it :P All the cruddy software they precompiled on it made it horribly slow from the get. |
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| 07:59.57 | joefsoD | How do I monitor my apache connections with tcpdump? |
| 08:00.05 | twb | I want an OLPC |
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| 08:00.24 | twb | Just enough grunt to run a linux tty and ssh |
| 08:00.26 | liable | i want the wireless chip from it |
| 08:00.47 | liable | why have we not heard much about this wireless chip? |
| 08:00.57 | twb | Because OLPC is a scam |
| 08:01.03 | twb | To make money of the third world |
| 08:01.07 | joefsoD | How do I monitor my apache connections with tcpdump????????????????????????????????????????????????? |
| 08:01.11 | liable | oh, c'mon |
| 08:01.46 | twb | joefsoD: plonk |
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| 08:03.13 | Capkirk | are there any guidlines regarding when the debian project will stop supplying security updates for the old stable ala "sarge" ? |
| 08:03.30 | liable | about 12-18 months |
| 08:03.37 | liable | no specific guidlines |
| 08:03.45 | Capkirk | ok |
| 08:03.53 | joefsoD | dammnn nobody knows? |
| 08:04.23 | liable | nobody wants to get into a protracted discussion teaching you how to use tcpdump |
| 08:04.41 | joefsoD | wtf your taking about ? |
| 08:04.47 | joefsoD | nobody knows |
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| 08:05.16 | joefsoD | shit ass geek |
| 08:05.42 | cast | hey come on, i go outside...sometimes :| |
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| 08:10.04 | AZ_AS | anyone here use DOSBox? wondering if there might be a command to take the focus off of it so I can do other things in Debian |
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| 08:12.52 | clarity | in xen i'm having trouble getting my vga=792 option to stick |
| 08:12.59 | clarity | i put it in the grub file and it doesn't work |
| 08:13.08 | clarity | i tried on the kernel line and the module line |
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| 08:16.06 | zodmaner | Guys, can Debian 64 bit get infected by 32 bit virus or rootkit? |
| 08:16.27 | h3sp4wn | zodmaner: No |
| 08:16.44 | zodmaner | I've got Debian 64 bit installed without any 32 bit libs |
| 08:16.48 | cast | h3sp4wn: why not? 32bit code will run |
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| 08:18.52 | zodmaner | So I'm quote safe, then? |
| 08:18.54 | h3sp4wn | cast: Its unlikely that it would just work unless it had been specifically written |
| 08:18.56 | cast | viruses are a non-issue though. not worth thinking about imho |
| 08:19.05 | h3sp4wn | cast: for both |
| 08:19.12 | AZ_AS | oops, serves me right for not looking closer at the DOSBox documentation |
| 08:19.26 | AZ_AS | think I might've found what I was looking for, heh |
| 08:19.31 | cast | h3sp4wn: well, a simple rootkit would work fine wouldn't you think, all it has to do is listen on a port and open a shell |
| 08:19.47 | zodmaner | I see, thank you :) |
| 08:19.56 | zodmaner | My friend sent me a worm on MSN |
| 08:20.07 | zodmaner | So I'm worried I might get infected |
| 08:20.23 | cast | zodmaner: just stick to debian repos and don't execute untrusted things. uh, you won't get infected by msn worms |
| 08:20.23 | zodmaner | (yeah, I'm paranoid) |
| 08:20.41 | zodmaner | Got it. :) |
| 08:20.56 | liable_ | h3sp4wn: or try the rc snapshot maybe? |
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| 08:23.52 | h3sp4wn | cast: A rootkit's only purpose is to hide files, network connections, memory addresses, or registry entries from other programs used by system administrators to detect intended or unintended special privilege accesses to the computer resources. |
| 08:24.07 | h3sp4wn | cast: (quoted from wikipedia) - a backdoor might work |
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| 08:32.01 | h3sp4wn | zodmaner: You could build your own kernel with something like grsecurity and disable 32 bit emulation if you wanted |
| 08:32.32 | Guerin | then again |
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| 08:32.39 | Guerin | you could just not do stupid shit |
| 08:32.54 | zodmaner | 32 bit emulation is enable by default? |
| 08:32.58 | Guerin | grsec is mor eharm than good unless you're prepared to dedicate a month to learning its intricacies |
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| 08:34.15 | theJackal | hey, im not a debain user ( gentoo ) and have a freind who wants debian, and i want to reccomend him the right install disk for best operation on his centrino-duo , but theres no good documentatin on which release set to use, amd64, ia64, etc ( i say amd64 cos in gentoo that = all 64 bit modern processors including intel ) |
| 08:34.32 | cast | amd64 |
| 08:35.01 | Guerin | tell him to install the i386 version unless he has very specific needs for 64-bitness |
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| 08:35.17 | Guerin | amd64 is a pain in the arse for things he probably wants to do, like flash |
| 08:35.27 | cast | no one wants flash |
| 08:35.29 | liable | i hear the 64 port has some good cflags set though |
| 08:35.35 | Guerin | if only it were true |
| 08:35.47 | theJackal | if he wants flash, he can use his precious windows |
| 08:35.59 | theJackal | and nobody wants windows either |
| 08:36.01 | theJackal | problem solved |
| 08:36.12 | liable | theJackal: who actually needs 64? |
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| 08:36.28 | zodmaner | Aside from flash, there is nothing you can do on 32 bit that you can't do on 64 bit |
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| 08:36.41 | theJackal | 64 = faster, and wtf is the point of having a 64 bit cpu if you dont use it? |
| 08:36.49 | Guerin | liable: database administrators, people who work a lot with media and do heavy mathematics |
| 08:36.54 | theJackal | its like saying 'dude, who needs a whole brain' |
| 08:36.54 | Guerin | and gentoobies |
| 08:37.10 | cast | openssl goes a whole lot faster iirc :) |
| 08:37.16 | Guerin | zodmaner: that's a recent thing, then |
| 08:37.18 | h3sp4wn | zodmaner: there is a python accelerator thing that only works on 32 bit (makes montone stupid slow on 64 bit) |
| 08:37.25 | theJackal | 64bit is better just for the larger addressing space for prelink layout alone |
| 08:37.45 | Guerin | theJackal: ... an issue which is irrelevant to five nines worth of computer users |
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| 08:38.01 | cast | your network counters don't look over, which was an annoyance of mine in 32bit linux |
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| 08:38.15 | cast | loop* |
| 08:38.17 | xand | does it get round the 2038 date problem? |
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| 08:38.30 | Guerin | but hey, you're a gentoobie - you don't mind spending 100 man-hours up front gaining a lifetime 10 hours of speed using `optimisations' |
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| 08:38.43 | rogue- | I'm trying to install bcm43xx-fwcutter but I'm getting a 404 not found when it's trying to fetch wl_apsta.o |
| 08:38.48 | rogue- | dpkg: bcm |
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| 08:39.17 | cast | ohh my. oggenc is a lot faster in 64bit it seems |
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| 08:40.54 | theJackal | Guerin: hey im no ricer |
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| 08:41.09 | theJackal | Guerin: i just this week used something more specific than -march=i686 |
| 08:41.34 | theJackal | ( my gentoo box is a 32 bit, but have done 64 bit systems before ) |
| 08:41.36 | Guerin | !gentoosmite theJackal |
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| 08:42.01 | Guerin | well goddamn |
| 08:42.16 | theJackal | Guerin: untill recently i was using -ggdb3 ffs |
| 08:42.33 | theJackal | Guerin: and yes, i know what that does, and yes, i was utilizing it |
| 08:42.52 | Guerin | my mum is staying this weekend, so we went in to make up a bed in the spare room - and found a mostly-rotten rat on the bed; left there by the cats some weeks ago, the door was close the whole time so we never knew |
| 08:43.06 | Guerin | theJackal: i'm sure you pull the chix0rz with that |
| 08:43.14 | Injen | You know, these past 2 years exploits and type of, made me paranoid to hell. Sysadmins/geeks that sigh at the though of vnc of a year ago, have no excuse for questioning proper updating, and paranoia. |
| 08:43.30 | andyp_ | cahoot: i did the invoke command for alsamixer which made the levels come to life BUT when I ran the command /etc/init.d/alda reload certain modules were still loaded I can pastebin if need be |
| 08:43.37 | theJackal | nah, i like reporting bugs, and fix a few for upstream every now and then, which benefits both me _and_ you in the long run :P |
| 08:43.39 | Guerin | Injen: yesh. But grsec sans understanding isn't the answer, would you agree? |
| 08:43.57 | Guerin | theJackal: ggdb3 is pretty insanecore |
| 08:44.11 | cahoot | andyp_, modules you don't want to be loaded? |
| 08:44.13 | streuner | Guerin: haha |
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| 08:44.33 | rogue- | I have manually fetched wl_apsta.o, but I can't get dpkg to stop trying to download it |
| 08:44.51 | Guerin | streuner: yeah. now the spare room smells like abattoir. |
| 08:45.19 | Guerin | rogue-: don't try to dso it manually. |
| 08:45.22 | cahoot | Guerin, you sure? |
| 08:45.27 | Guerin | rogue-: just let dpkg do its thing. |
| 08:45.31 | theJackal | Guerin: ever since gcc-4.2 i have the moderately sane CFLAGS of "-march=native -O2" .. wich translates to -fidk-suggest-something-and-ill-be-happy-with it for all those ricers |
| 08:45.39 | Guerin | cahoot: sure about what? |
| 08:45.49 | cahoot | Guerin, about how an abattoir smealls |
| 08:45.53 | cahoot | smells |
| 08:45.59 | Guerin | cahoot: I grew up on a farm. |
| 08:46.13 | rogue- | Guerin: like I've said earlier, it tries to download a file from a certain place, but the file is not there, wget is getting a 404. what the heck am I supposed to do? |
| 08:46.16 | andyp_ | cahoot: i show you the pastebin as it seems the modules that were still loaded were needed and the modules that unloaded weremaybe not needed not sure i will paste bin |
| 08:46.25 | Guerin | actually - it smells like an *abandoned* abattoir |
| 08:46.27 | rogue- | we're talking about the bcm43xx-fwcutter package here, you know, wireless stuff |
| 08:46.35 | Guerin | rogue-: supply the correct location |
| 08:46.54 | rogue- | HOW |
| 08:47.18 | rogue- | I'm simply issuing apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter and from then it doesn't ask me anything |
| 08:47.27 | Guerin | rogue-: i don't know your case. The point is that if you try to prevent dpkg from doing the things it needs to do you're in for a world of hurt. |
| 08:47.31 | cahoot | andyp_, I'm not clear about what actual problem you have |
| 08:47.53 | rogue- | never mind, I "tricked" it. |
| 08:48.02 | Guerin | rogue-: try apt-get update |
| 08:48.10 | andyp_ | no audio /sound is it possible to do a sound test |
| 08:48.15 | Guerin | !soundcheck |
| 08:48.16 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; if it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 08:48.19 | rogue- | bah you're just guessing |
| 08:48.23 | theJackal | ever want to really trash your debian install, dpkg --force-all when installing something thats blocked on glibc/core utils |
| 08:48.33 | Guerin | rogue-: yes, because I have practically no information available to me |
| 08:48.48 | cahoot | andyp_, run aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav in a term - noise or error msg? |
| 08:48.51 | Guerin | and a dead rat to clean up, and a mattress to throw out - good luck |
| 08:49.31 | andyp_ | cahroot: ok i will do that |
| 08:50.49 | subx | ive logged into a ftp using pftp, i want to grab a list of directories and the contents, what command do i use? |
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| 08:51.20 | Guerin | use lftp -e mirror |
| 08:51.31 | Guerin | i know not this pftp |
| 08:51.32 | xand | subx: ls |
| 08:51.49 | Guerin | oh, he wants the list ... not the directories |
| 08:51.53 | Guerin | <heh> |
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| 08:52.52 | subx | the directory is called music001 |
| 08:52.55 | subx | if i use mget music001 it says: 550 Failed to open file. |
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| 08:55.15 | themill | subx: ncftpget supports recursive mode as does lftp. What program are you using? |
| 08:55.49 | subx | ive figured it i think, im just using: mget * |
| 08:56.16 | Guerin | streuner: use lftp -e mirror |
| 08:56.24 | Guerin | bah |
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| 08:56.51 | Internat | is there a way to find out what on my system is writing IO at the moment.. something is hogging like a mofo and i cant work out what |
| 08:57.06 | themill | subx: I didn't think mget worked recursively. |
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| 08:57.21 | Guerin | subx: use lftp -e mirror |
| 08:57.24 | Guerin | really |
| 08:57.27 | Guerin | it Just Works |
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| 08:58.36 | subx | mget * only grabs single files, not the directories, ill try lftp -e mirror, thanks |
| 08:59.16 | Guerin | subx: consult TFM for the full syntax - something like -e 'mirror ftp://path/to/source /path/to/dest' |
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| 08:59.39 | lbc | what is responsible for calling dhclient at startup ? I can't find anything in the initscripts or /etc/network |
| 08:59.43 | andyp_ | cahoot: i ran aplay and got a sound woo 16 bit little endian rate 4800HZ mono |
| 09:00.11 | Guerin | lbc: probably /etc/network/interfaces has an iface inet dhcp line in |
| 09:00.22 | lbc | so I can't silence it ? |
| 09:00.35 | lbc | (with the -q switch) |
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| 09:00.38 | Guerin | lbc: why would you want to? |
| 09:01.00 | Guerin | you probably can, but I've never given thought to how |
| 09:01.00 | lbc | aesthetics ; it messes up the "starting ... : ..." lines |
| 09:01.17 | Guerin | or you could just get help for your OCD |
| 09:01.44 | lbc | OCD ? |
| 09:01.48 | Guerin | lbc: hm, or it could be am /etc/init.d/dhclient script |
| 09:01.51 | Guerin | !ocd |
| 09:02.07 | Guerin | dpkg, ocd is obsessive-compulsive disorder |
| 09:02.08 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 09:02.17 | lbc | Guerin : first place I looked, there's no such thing |
| 09:02.22 | lbc | *g* |
| 09:02.24 | lbc | okay, thanks |
| 09:02.25 | Guerin | lbc: mm, dunno then. |
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| 09:03.11 | lbc | I'd love to tell my clients to worry about their OCD rather than the console output ^^ |
| 09:03.34 | andyp_ | cahoot: i suppose that means sound is working |
| 09:03.55 | Guerin | why are clients concerned with console output? Unless it says `FAILED' it's none of their concern |
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| 09:04.46 | lbc | I wouldn't know, but I hear they're always right |
| 09:04.50 | Guerin | hah |
| 09:05.13 | Guerin | a common misconception put about by those in the customer service business whose only job is keeping people happy |
| 09:05.24 | Guerin | i used to be in such a job |
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| 09:05.42 | Guerin | it's probably part of the reason I'm such an arsehole now :) |
| 09:06.11 | theJackal | keeping the customer happy is only important if it benefits the company to do so in a financial manner |
| 09:06.21 | andyp_ | cahoot: the only thing is that when I shutdown my computer does not shutdown it goes blank not lways but sometimes it is at those times that i must use the invoke comand you gave me |
| 09:06.42 | lbc | Guerin, I hear you |
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| 09:10.46 | cahoot | andyp_, ok but running aplay etc gave you some sound in return? |
| 09:12.00 | subx | im having no luck with ftp grabbing directories, ive found something what looks promosing by using wget |
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| 09:13.37 | jelly-home | theJackal: there's also something to be said about common courtesy |
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| 09:13.49 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 09:14.13 | theJackal | translation: your customer roots you, return the favour ;) |
| 09:14.23 | Guerin | jelly-home: lack of which will cause most businesses to fail, so yeah :) |
| 09:14.42 | jelly-home | Guerin: it all boils down to money. |
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| 09:14.48 | Guerin | yesh |
| 09:14.55 | Guerin | go watch The Corporation |
| 09:15.05 | gypsymauro | there is a way to reach the ip of a machine knowing the MAC? |
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| 09:15.16 | Guerin | but then, if you work for one, you probably know it already |
| 09:15.39 | theJackal | if your in a company where keeping people happy doesnt make you money, and pissing them off doesnt make you loose money, you'll probably find the company opts to piss off |
| 09:15.46 | lbc | gypsymauro, an arp request |
| 09:15.47 | theJackal | gypsymauro: ARP |
| 09:16.08 | Guerin | theJackal: ARP: command not found |
| 09:16.21 | theJackal | ARP = protocoll :P |
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| 09:16.54 | Guerin | impossible |
| 09:17.09 | theJackal | nothings impossible for me, im superman |
| 09:17.22 | Guerin | i gave that shit up in 2005 and have debian-teflon all over now |
| 09:17.41 | theJackal | teflon? |
| 09:18.03 | Guerin | stuff shit don't stick to |
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| 09:18.54 | theJackal | incite* |
| 09:19.03 | theJackal | me* |
| 09:19.06 | LLcoolM | hi, my numpad doesnt seem to work on debian stable anymore |
| 09:19.13 | LLcoolM | dunno why |
| 09:19.19 | theJackal | its ubuntu that really sucks, debian pwns its ass imo |
| 09:19.29 | Guerin | theJackal: i just got sick of hand-holding crappy build scripts |
| 09:19.41 | Guerin | then again, I always did perfer debian |
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| 09:20.21 | LLcoolM | when i press |
| 09:20.31 | theJackal | i was on the experimental tree as a home user trying to get recent software :/.. i ended up compiling a lot of stuff by hand ( ie: remember the pre-xorg days? ) |
| 09:20.32 | LLcoolM | + on keypad only some menu pops up |
| 09:20.40 | LLcoolM | instead of plus in the console beeing printed |
| 09:21.09 | LLcoolM | numlock on or off has no effect |
| 09:22.38 | theJackal | this one brings back memorys... remeber the days when you had to find escoteric mirrors out there just to have mplayer? |
| 09:22.44 | theJackal | remember* |
| 09:22.45 | Guerin | nope |
| 09:22.59 | theJackal | that was ~2003 for ya |
| 09:23.05 | Guerin | hah |
| 09:23.07 | Guerin | not really |
| 09:23.21 | Guerin | marillat wasn't really obscure |
| 09:23.29 | Guerin | at least, not if you were in #debian |
| 09:23.36 | liable | esoteric mirrors? |
| 09:23.51 | theJackal | i remember having a hell of a time finding decent mirrors, .. but then again, i was still in the pre-irc-awareness era then |
| 09:24.12 | jelly-home | mplayerhq.hu -> hungary is surely esoteric! |
| 09:24.38 | theJackal | i dont remember them having an official debian mirror back then |
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| 09:25.02 | Guerin | they didn't |
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| 09:25.08 | Guerin | in fact, i don't believe they ever have |
| 09:25.13 | cahoot | apples vs pears |
| 09:25.19 | Guerin | mplayer supports their own source, nothing else |
| 09:25.24 | Guerin | no patches, not binaries |
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| 09:26.09 | theJackal | i had to compile gimp 2.0 myself because debian got overdue in releasing it :P |
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| 09:26.39 | liable | back when i was a kid.. |
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| 09:27.37 | theJackal | ... back when i was a kid we had to lick the road clean with our tongue |
| 09:27.59 | cahoot | you had a road? |
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| 09:28.08 | theJackal | it was a road to us! |
| 09:28.39 | Guerin | funny, but I did actually have a job once where I had to walk uphill BOTH WAYS |
| 09:28.53 | theJackal | lol |
| 09:29.05 | shai | hi, can someone tell me why the kern.log says: NFSD: starting 90-second grace period ? |
| 09:29.05 | theJackal | opposite sides of a crater eh? |
| 09:29.50 | liable | Guerin: with sheep in your pocket to keep your hands warm? |
| 09:30.04 | Guerin | theJackal: walk uphill to the cable car in the day; take the cable car down the hill; work until late; go to the pub; by the time i stumbled home the damn thing had stopped for the night and I had to climb the damn hill home |
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| 09:30.18 | Guerin | liable: if only they made sheep that small |
| 09:30.21 | theJackal | ouch |
| 09:31.07 | theJackal | should have gotten a rubbish bin or something and rolled down the hill to work ;) |
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| 09:31.26 | theJackal | oh wait, somebody tried that here, ... died :S |
| 09:31.27 | Guerin | perhaps so |
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| 09:31.55 | Guerin | someone died a couple eyars ago coming down Baldwin St in Dunedin in a wheelie bin |
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| 09:32.03 | Guerin | it's apparently the steepest street in the world |
| 09:32.08 | theJackal | yeah, i refer to that very incident :P |
| 09:32.15 | Guerin | oh, heh |
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| 09:32.23 | Guerin | you're from Doon Sooth? |
| 09:32.31 | theJackal | been there a while |
| 09:32.34 | theJackal | in Chch now |
| 09:32.41 | Guerin | man, you lot need to sort your rugby team out |
| 09:32.52 | Guerin | oh, chch not so much |
| 09:32.55 | theJackal | im an inverserer |
| 09:33.07 | Guerin | oh, Southland is doing alright |
| 09:33.22 | Guerin | my uncle lives in Balclutha |
| 09:33.40 | Guerin | all my old man's family are from down that way; I'm in Wellington |
| 09:34.09 | theJackal | you guys get more rain, less sun, and more wind than invers does, yet invers gets all the bad rep :P |
| 09:34.28 | GreaseMonkey | night all |
| 09:34.32 | theJackal | nGm |
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| 09:35.07 | Guerin | theJackal: yeah, but we don't have people freezing to death one week a year |
| 09:35.42 | theJackal | odd thing i keep finding is the high kiwi ratios present on IRC :/, were only 1 in 200, yet when 5 people are talking, 1 is almost always kiwi |
| 09:35.43 | subx | im trying to grab all the .mp3 files using this command, what am i doing wrong: |
| 09:35.44 | subx | get -r -l3 -np -A.mp3 http://mirror.switch.ch/mirror/sonicsquirrel/Benekkea/ |
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| 09:35.52 | subx | *wget |
| 09:35.59 | Guerin | theJackal: it's a timezone thing |
| 09:36.14 | theJackal | i get the same thing at 4am |
| 09:36.18 | Guerin | the times when you're on irc - *shock* so are others in your timezone |
| 09:36.19 | liable | loud mouths? |
| 09:36.32 | Guerin | liable: you lot can talk |
| 09:36.38 | lbc | subx, I've seen weird behaviour with the -A option..; does -A.dummy;.mp3 help ? |
| 09:36.48 | subx | aye ill try |
| 09:37.05 | liable | Guerin: just offering a possible explanation.. |
| 09:37.13 | subx | lbc: not it doesnt help |
| 09:37.16 | subx | *no |
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| 09:37.48 | theJackal | kiwis are more likely to converse using body language than your average bear. |
| 09:38.02 | lbc | subx does -A.dummy,.mp3 help ? does -A=.dummy,.mp3 help ? |
| 09:38.02 | liable | you have bears as well? |
| 09:38.07 | Guerin | theJackal: ,.|.. |
| 09:38.12 | lbc | (I had the wrong separator) |
| 09:38.16 | theJackal | fruit eating tree bears |
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| 09:38.32 | theJackal | the aussies call them possums ;) |
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| 09:38.39 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 09:38.44 | liable | big fuckers they are too |
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| 09:38.59 | solemnwarning | Can I create an LVM snapshot of a lv in another vg? |
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| 09:39.01 | Guerin | good eats if you cook 'em right |
| 09:39.15 | theJackal | and dont happen to slice the pituitary gland wrong |
| 09:39.16 | subx | lbc: neither of those options work |
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| 09:39.45 | theJackal | ( i think thats the one .. the one which makes them stink like a skunk ) |
| 09:39.53 | lbc | well, I'm out of ideas then subx |
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| 09:40.24 | TPM|ZionDUC | hi all |
| 09:40.43 | Jemt | Greetz. How do I change what refresh rate I can choose in Ubuntu? I only have 75Hz available. I need 60Hz. Otherwise my screen is flickering a lot. I ran 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' - but it still fails writing the changes to the configuration files (bug know for more than a year?) |
| 09:40.44 | solemnwarning | Anyone? |
| 09:40.46 | Jemt | Suggestions ? |
| 09:40.47 | theJackal | Guerin: apparently they're like fish, better when really fresh |
| 09:41.04 | theJackal | #ubuntu ? |
| 09:41.10 | Jemt | Woops |
| 09:41.13 | Jemt | Sorry, wrong chan :) |
| 09:41.17 | theJackal | :P |
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| 09:41.34 | cahoot | Jemt, tried xrandr? |
| 09:41.54 | Jemt | cahoot: Nope. Will do now :) |
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| 09:42.20 | Guerin | theJackal: yes, like any small game. |
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| 09:43.27 | Jemt | cahoot: Dosn't have any options for specifying the refresh rate |
| 09:43.32 | theJackal | Guerin: GF & father were contemplating skinning some for a bit of profit, aparently they were going funky by the time they got to them in the trap.. which was in their back yard, ... which they checked daily |
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| 09:45.47 | cahoot | Jemt, the man page mentions a rate option |
| 09:47.10 | Guerin | theJackal: heh. |
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| 09:47.53 | Jemt | cahoot: Weird. Mine dosn't |
| 09:48.03 | Jemt | (I'm searching for 'rate') - gives nothing |
| 09:48.07 | Hungmanmoojoo | how do i change priority on the repos in my sources.list? |
| 09:48.45 | unknow990_ | Is there anybody that can help me with RT-MAILGATE? |
| 09:48.53 | erore | What exactly does a stateless rule mean when creating firewall with fwbuilder? |
| 09:49.17 | Guerin | erore: it means `if you don't know what this is you shouldn't be using it' |
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| 09:50.20 | erore | Guerin: thanks for useful answer, I was trying to look on the internet with not much luck. But I am quite curious... |
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| 09:51.19 | Guerin | erore: `state' is a characteristic that a connection has. If a rule is stateless it doesn't bother checking state. (some protocols don't even do state) |
| 09:51.27 | Guerin | that's the really really short answer |
| 09:51.59 | Guerin | i guess wikipedia would tell you more |
| 09:52.01 | subx | lbc: I found a way: just use, lftp <URL> to log into the FTP server, and just type 'mirror' |
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| 09:52.41 | subx | extremely useful command |
| 09:52.43 | erore | Guerin: thanks :) |
| 09:52.55 | bullgard4 | /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/TZS1/state lists 'state: ok'. What is meant here with 'state'? |
| 09:53.07 | lbc | subx, interesting, but that's mostly avoiding the problem |
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| 09:53.53 | subx | lbc: I thought it was quite common for 'lamers' to avoid problems? :p |
| 09:54.26 | Guerin | how is it avoiding the problem? |
| 09:54.37 | Guerin | he gets his musics, no? |
| 09:54.46 | subx | yes but wget doesnt work and I dont know why |
| 09:54.47 | lbc | subx, it's even more common for professionals : ) |
| 09:54.52 | subx | hehe |
| 09:54.52 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:55.06 | Daejeo1 | guys i have two lan cards connected with different ISPs. How can I switch between ISPs while browsing/doing anything without shutdown eth0 and eth1 |
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| 09:55.18 | subx | ..its early days yet, it hasnt come to the directories yet... |
| 09:55.29 | lbc | Guerin, true ... let me rephrase and say that the *mystery* is still there |
| 09:55.29 | Guerin | Daejeo1: man route |
| 09:55.39 | subx | its ok :) |
| 09:59.29 | Hungmanmoojoo | how do i change priority on the repos in my sources.list? |
| 09:59.30 | Knight_Lord | I have a few problems with my bind installation. I recently changed master server and my proxy bind server is still using the old master as authorative server. how can i fix this? |
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| 10:02.22 | inc0 | hello |
| 10:02.56 | Knight_Lord | How can I clear the DNS cache? |
| 10:03.33 | robboplus | hm do you connect router and a hub with cross UTP cable or regular UTP one? |
| 10:03.44 | inc0 | could someone tell me where in /dev/ is SATA disc? I can't see and sda there:/ |
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| 10:04.43 | inc0 | I've heard that new kernels changed /dev/, and it cant see my disc |
| 10:06.42 | xand | robboplus: depends, try both |
| 10:07.06 | xand | robboplus: if the ports don't do (auto)crossover/uplink you'll probably need a crossover cable |
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| 10:08.38 | andyp_ | hi |
| 10:08.45 | andyp_ | unable to mount cd rom drive |
| 10:09.55 | andyp_ | mount /dev/sr0 no such file or directory |
| 10:10.07 | xand | why are you using sr0? what kind of drive is it? |
| 10:11.22 | andyp_ | xand: I will rephrase the question the vmware on etvh cannot detect the cd rom drive |
| 10:11.29 | andyp_ | etch |
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| 10:12.24 | xand | !vmware |
| 10:12.24 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask the vendor for support, or ask here: #vmware |
| 10:12.43 | andyp_ | dpkg:thanks |
| 10:12.43 | dpkg | de rien, andyp_ |
| 10:13.02 | andyp_ | what is de rien |
| 10:13.21 | lbc | ooh, bilingual bot, I love it |
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| 10:14.13 | Guerin | andyp_: it's nothing |
| 10:15.34 | pressenter | Anyone here maybe uses kopete from kde4 on kde3? |
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| 10:21.26 | ruben | Hello, what is the way to make a change in a file without using a tmp file? using sed for example, like sed 's/hello/bye' file.txt |
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| 10:24.21 | subx | is it normal for a VPS hosting company to keep on restarting servers all the time? |
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| 10:24.59 | bullgard4 | /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/TZS1/state lists 'state: ok'. What is meant here by 'state'? |
| 10:25.11 | subx | check out this log, this is only from the last few days: http://rimuhosting.com/maintenance.jsp |
| 10:25.24 | subx | maybe xen is causing problems |
| 10:25.49 | rogue- | I'm trying to get 1280x800 (max) resolution on Debian SID - Ati Radeon Mobility x1400. Any hints/suggestions in this direction? I have installed xorg. |
| 10:26.08 | jelly-home | bullgard4: I _guess_ it means it's below any of the tripping points |
| 10:27.01 | subx | rogue: you need to edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf accordingly |
| 10:27.13 | freakynl | q: we have a webserver that was set up by someone else. anyways webalizer now gives segmentation faults and staties it was compiled with png.h from libpng-1.2.8 and that it's running with linpng-1.0.12 which is much older. if i try to install webalizer like 'apt-get install webalizer' it will try to remove e2fsprogs and complain about that, remove 18 packages, amongst which proftpd which we really need, upgrade 28 packages and install 40... |
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| 10:27.31 | fasta | Does this mean my harddrive can crash any time now? http://paste.debian.net/34204 |
| 10:27.53 | freakynl | fasta: no |
| 10:28.08 | fasta | freakynl: ok, what does it mean? |
| 10:28.09 | freakynl | fasta: it just means it has trouble enabling dma. is this sata? |
| 10:28.16 | fasta | freakynl: it's not sata |
| 10:28.35 | freakynl | fasta: you see this only at boot or continuously? |
| 10:28.36 | rogue- | subx: "accordingly" meaning? I have specified the desired resolution, however I'm getting a lower one. I have understood that a similar problem exists with some intel chips, but for those, the solution is the installment of a 9??resolution package |
| 10:28.44 | fasta | freakynl: I also hear a sound, like it's "restarting" something every 5 minutes or so. |
| 10:28.54 | fasta | freakynl: but I thought it came of my video card |
| 10:28.59 | bullgard4 | jelly-home: As I have got a problem with ACPI since I loaded the DEB program package 'powersaved', I should like to know the answer fairly certainly. |
| 10:29.02 | freakynl | fasta: err k then it could be dying |
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| 10:29.07 | rogue- | I'm guessing the problem is somewhere in the driver Xorg is using, but I need a clear direction, documentation-wise. |
| 10:29.29 | fasta | freakynl: hmm, I will make anohter backup, just in case. |
| 10:29.34 | theJackal | fasta: do you have a native SATA power connector, or a molex/sata adaptor |
| 10:29.49 | subx | rogue: first you need to install the ATI drivers and make sure they are compiled into a new kernel, have you done that? |
| 10:30.02 | rogue- | No. |
| 10:30.08 | subx | ok hold on |
| 10:30.25 | jelly-home | bullgard4: ah. I can't help you there, apart from the obvious RTFsource. |
| 10:30.28 | theJackal | fasta: ? |
| 10:30.36 | fasta | theJackal: I am not using SATA |
| 10:30.49 | theJackal | ah |
| 10:31.01 | theJackal | run SMART on it |
| 10:31.19 | theJackal | it could be either A: dodgy power cabling |
| 10:31.19 | freakynl | anyone on my apt thing? |
| 10:31.23 | theJackal | B: a dead PSU |
| 10:31.28 | theJackal | C: a dead HDD |
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| 10:31.31 | fasta | theJackal: I just replaced the PSU |
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| 10:31.37 | bullgard4 | jelly-home: What is a 'RTFsource'? |
| 10:31.41 | theJackal | fasta: what brand, how many watts? |
| 10:31.41 | fasta | theJackal: how do I run SMART on it? |
| 10:31.42 | subx | rogue: there are 2x ATI drivers for linux, the free linux ones and the Proprietary ones, i believe the linux free ones are better. |
| 10:31.55 | fasta | theJackal: 450 Watts (King<something>) |
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| 10:32.09 | freakynl | The following packages will be REMOVED: amanda-client amanda-common bind9 libdigest-md5-perl libdigest-nilsimsa-perl libmime-base64-perl libnet-perl libtime-hires-perl locales netbase pidentd ppp pppconfig pppoe pppoeconf proftpd proftpd-common xinetd |
| 10:32.12 | rogue- | subx: and .. how do I fetch/use either one? |
| 10:32.14 | theJackal | fasta: did the problems occur before the new psu? |
| 10:32.19 | freakynl | why?!?! :( |
| 10:32.24 | rogue- | sub: I'd rather not want to configure the kernel. |
| 10:32.28 | fasta | theJackal: not this speciefic problem |
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| 10:32.34 | fasta | theJackal: specific* |
| 10:32.37 | rogue- | *subx |
| 10:32.42 | theJackal | mmm.. looks like youve found your demon then |
| 10:32.44 | jelly-home | Bulldog: read the fine kernel source to see where exactly does the message come from |
| 10:33.02 | fasta | theJackal: how do I run SMART on it? |
| 10:33.15 | theJackal | apt-get install smartmon-tools or something |
| 10:33.19 | stew | freakynl: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 10:33.22 | fasta | theJackal: I honestly suspect the PSU is not at fault. |
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| 10:33.40 | fasta | theJackal: it could be that something is not connected perfectly. |
| 10:33.40 | zea | is there a nice clean way to restor gconf database to it's defaults? i've done some messy schema installations:x |
| 10:33.42 | theJackal | you got the old one still? does it work? |
| 10:33.46 | subx | rogue:- apt-get install fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant |
| 10:33.52 | zea | s/restor/restore |
| 10:34.11 | rogue- | I'll try, thanks. |
| 10:34.16 | subx | rogue:- m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && depmod -a |
| 10:34.24 | fasta | theJackal: the old one doesn't work |
| 10:34.30 | theJackal | ah |
| 10:34.34 | theJackal | why so? |
| 10:34.34 | fasta | theJackal: that's why there is a new one in it :) |
| 10:34.37 | theJackal | exploded? |
| 10:34.42 | fasta | theJackal: it burned through |
| 10:34.43 | subx | rogue- make sure fglrx is in your driver section of your xorg.conf |
| 10:34.57 | theJackal | fasta: its possible PSU death caused damage |
| 10:35.01 | freakynl | stew: http://www.pastebin.ca/649706 thx |
| 10:35.02 | rogue- | ok |
| 10:35.05 | rogue- | thanks. |
| 10:35.19 | theJackal | fasta: depending on the nature of the death of course |
| 10:35.23 | fasta | theJackal: I hate that about hardware (there are a million causes to one problem) |
| 10:35.28 | theJackal | fasta: lightning strike = give up ;) |
| 10:35.50 | stew | freakynl: you are upgrading a lot of core packages. what version of debian are you running? |
| 10:35.57 | fasta | theJackal: I can't find anything with smart in it. |
| 10:36.03 | fasta | theJackal: (anything that's of use) |
| 10:36.25 | pingouin_ | what i missing under Debian/etch amd64, i can't play mkv files ? |
| 10:36.26 | theJackal | there _should_ be something with smart in it |
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| 10:36.29 | theJackal | smartctl |
| 10:36.32 | fasta | theJackal: never mind |
| 10:36.32 | freakynl | stew: 4.0 |
| 10:36.35 | fasta | theJackal: I found it |
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| 10:36.38 | stew | freakynl: oh, actually a lot of those packages that are going to be newly installer are essential packages that should have never been removed in the first place |
| 10:37.00 | freakynl | stew: i don't want to update so much, i want webalizer to work, that probably only means i need to upgrade libpng |
| 10:37.05 | freakynl | stew: i haven't removed anything |
| 10:38.02 | stew | freakynl: show us the output of " apt-cache policy libc6 coreutils ppp" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 10:38.16 | fasta | theJackal: how can I try to enable DMA again? |
| 10:38.35 | fasta | theJackal: hdparm... |
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| 10:39.44 | freakynl | stew: http://www.pastebin.ca/649713 |
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| 10:40.22 | freakynl | don't care about ppp btw |
| 10:40.49 | fasta | theJackal: hmm, I only see how to read the information, not how to set DMA |
| 10:40.56 | freakynl | is there a way in which I can force it to update _just_ libpng? |
| 10:41.09 | stew | freakynl: so you are mixing sarge (aka 3.1 aka oldstable) and etch (aka 4.0 aka stable) |
| 10:41.12 | freakynl | fasta: hdparm -d1 /dev/hda |
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| 10:41.42 | freakynl | stew: like i said, i didn't set it up :) but it explains issues i had before with simple apt-get install commands |
| 10:41.42 | stew | freakynl: this isn't supported, you need to stick to one or the other. you also don't have 'coreutils' installed, which is crazy, coreutils contains programs like "ls" |
| 10:42.04 | freakynl | stew: well i can honestly say ls works :) |
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| 10:42.45 | d3c | hi, what is the SCP package called in debian? |
| 10:42.46 | stew | freakynl: do you want to stick to oldstable or upgrade to stable? |
| 10:42.55 | stew | d3c: openssh-client |
| 10:42.57 | Winkie | d3c: it's part of the ssh client |
| 10:43.00 | freakynl | stew: this webserver is going to be decommisioned in a couple of months, so all i really care about is webalizer, either downgrade it back to old version, or update libpng to work |
| 10:43.26 | freakynl | stew: well not correct, all i care about is getting webalizer working w/o affecting the other running services that better describes it :) |
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| 10:43.59 | d3c | stew: okay. just that I can't transfer any files from win to debian using SCP. winscp says that scp isn't installed |
| 10:44.11 | d3c | Winkie: thanks |
| 10:44.38 | stew | d3c: then you need openssh-server |
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| 10:45.00 | d3c | stew: that is installed as well |
| 10:45.34 | stew | freakynl: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change all occurances of "stable" or "etch" to "sarge"; then "aptitude update ; aptitude install ~E!~i" |
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| 10:46.14 | stew | freakynl: that will hopefully get all of the essential packages that you ar missing installed again, at which point you should "aptitude upgrade" then go back to trying to install whatever you are trying to install |
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| 10:46.43 | stew | freakynl: actually since you are missing debconf, you are likely to run into problems. but try first anyway, we might have to install coreutils and debconf by hand if that fails |
| 10:46.47 | frafra | hi all |
| 10:47.01 | freakynl | stew: k that sounds risky... :) can i just d/l the libpng package somewhere and extract it or somethin? this server is live |
| 10:47.06 | frafra | how to share my pc connection with my mobile phone? I've problems with gnubox |
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| 10:47.26 | Blackhold | hello |
| 10:47.27 | stew | freakynl: you need to have coreutils, debianutils, debconf, ifupdown, e2fsprogs install |
| 10:47.31 | Blackhold | could some one help me please? |
| 10:47.41 | Supaplex | !tell Blackhold -about ask |
| 10:47.52 | Blackhold | I'm looking for a po editor that allows you to use aspell dictionaries |
| 10:48.14 | freakynl | stew: the cache must be corrupt. i'm not familiar with debian, but i am with linux. if coreutils was missing i would have noticed (ls, grep, find, etc all work) |
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| 10:49.25 | stew | freakynl: furthermore, this box has been missing the security updates, so not upgrading is also risky |
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| 10:50.26 | freakynl | agreed but going to be decommisioned. i wouldn't be surprised if it's hacked already. perhaps my last install messed up webalizer due to the wrong sources (i only did install chkrootkit) |
| 10:50.37 | edju | !ndiswrapper |
| 10:50.37 | dpkg | ndiswrapper is, like, a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
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| 10:50.55 | edju | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 10:50.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 10:51.40 | yangvnc | What is the usual device for an usb mouse? |
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| 10:52.14 | freakynl | yangvnc: .. /dev/mice |
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| 10:52.21 | freakynl | yangvnc: should have am all :) |
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| 10:52.29 | stew | yangvnc: /dev/input/mice |
| 10:52.31 | fyrestrtr | is there a way to figure out which repository provides a package? |
| 10:52.37 | freakynl | err that one yea |
| 10:52.43 | stew | fyrestrtr: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 10:52.54 | fyrestrtr | great, thanks stew. |
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| 10:53.30 | stuart- | net-inst doesn't support internal/WLAN cards? how do i know which network card i have? |
| 10:54.12 | stew | stuart-: netinst does support internal/wlan cards. are you running linux currently? |
| 10:54.37 | CactusMD | stuart-: lspci | grep WLAN, maybe |
| 10:54.41 | CactusMD | or just go through lspci |
| 10:54.50 | stuart- | stew, yep. ubuntu. but i want a more customized install, and the last time i tried using net-inst, i couldn't connect to the itnernet |
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| 10:55.31 | stew | stuart-: show us the output of "lspci -n" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 10:56.03 | CactusMD | stew you know anything about changing ls's colors? |
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| 10:56.23 | stuart- | steve, i think the important part would be my Ethernet: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6105 [Rhine-III] (rev 86) |
| 10:56.28 | CactusMD | i got colors enabled for zsh but i want to customize them |
| 10:56.48 | stuart- | can i use that for netinst? |
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| 10:57.23 | stew | CactusMD: man dircolors |
| 10:57.36 | cast | stuart-: is there a list of supported hardware somewhere |
| 10:58.05 | stew | stuart-: i wouldn't know without seeing the output for that card from 'lspci -n' |
| 10:58.06 | linux_user400354 | how can i find out what package contains libssl.pc? |
| 10:58.15 | cast | linux_user400354: apt-file search |
| 10:58.27 | yangvnc | what do errors ACPI interrupt mean, the kernel boots to some stage than hangs... |
| 10:58.39 | linux_user400354 | thanks :) |
| 10:59.07 | freakynl | stew: ... strange shit. all i did was change stable in sarge (in source-list, i have a q on that later), did apt-get install webalizer, it install libdb4.2 and now the segfault / libpng error is gone. also i can't install libpng12-0 cause it's already installed whilst webalizer complained about it being 1.0 something and need 1.2 something |
| 10:59.43 | freakynl | stew: anyways could it be that the 'stable' word used to point to sarge and now points to edge? I only had stable words in source-list, nothing like release names as etch, sarge, woody etc |
| 10:59.46 | stuart- | stew, whoops. didn't see -n. http://pastebin.ca/649725 |
| 10:59.57 | stew | freakynl: you also need to install debconf e2fsprogs coreutils debianutils ifupdown |
| 11:00.16 | stew | freakynl: if you don't have, for instance, debianutils, cron won't work, which means webalizer wont work |
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| 11:01.00 | freakynl | stew: cron works, it's running that's what so strange. as i said i'm pretty familiar with cli just not with debian. i should have noted coreutils missing long ago as i should use lots of tools in there |
| 11:01.17 | freakynl | also install core utils gives a lot of replacing files :/ |
| 11:01.17 | stew | freakynl: what does "which run-parts" return? |
| 11:01.45 | stew | freakynl: if you have reason to suspect that the machine has actually been compromised, you should be doing something about that too |
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| 11:02.08 | stew | stuart-: yes, that card can be used to netinst, it is supported by the via-rhine module |
| 11:02.26 | linux_user400354 | cast :O how long does apt-file update take to finish? |
| 11:02.34 | stew | freakynl: coreutils shows conflicting files with what package? |
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| 11:02.51 | freakynl | /bin/run-parts, i just installed coreutils tho' (only coreutils not the rest) |
| 11:03.11 | freakynl | stew: yea i feel like the machine has been comprised long time ago. i was recently made responsible for it. it hasn't seen updates in like 3-4 years |
| 11:03.22 | freakynl | that's why i installed chkrootkit last time but it was clean |
| 11:03.52 | cast | linux_user400354: depends on your net speed :) |
| 11:03.57 | freakynl | that is, chkrootkit didn't detect anything which isn't necessarily clean |
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| 11:04.28 | stew | freakynl: i've never had ckrootkit detect a rootkit, even on boxes where i had myself detected a rootkit. |
| 11:04.41 | Knight_Lord | How can I clear the DNS cache? |
| 11:04.53 | stew | freakynl: if the box has been compromised, you need to re-install or decommission it now, until the problem is fixed |
| 11:04.57 | stew | linux_user400354: you are using ubuntu? |
| 11:04.58 | themill | Knight_Lord: which dns cache? |
| 11:05.08 | freakynl | also we had bills from the hosting company. we're allowed 50G traffic p/m, we would have pulled 75 according to them. however both iptables (no rules, just the chain counters) and apache/webmin/ftp statistics only showed 15G |
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| 11:05.10 | stuart- | stew, cool. thanks. what package would i need to get xfce running after i install core? apt-get install xfce4 |
| 11:05.28 | stew | stuart-: xfce4 and xorg |
| 11:05.43 | Knight_Lord | themill i have a dns server that is caching for another Dns server. The problem is that the master server changed, but my caching server still thinks the old master is still the master |
| 11:05.56 | stew | freakynl: you can't trust the tools on that box to give you accurate info |
| 11:05.59 | freakynl | especially the iptables counters being wrong worries me |
| 11:06.16 | stew | freakynl: but not enough to actually do anything about it? |
| 11:06.20 | stuart- | stew, cool, thanks. |
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| 11:07.18 | themill | Knight_Lord: did the master update the zone serial? |
| 11:07.22 | freakynl | stew: it's live, with 100+ websites i can't just pull em out of the air, they all need to be migrated to our new plesk server which is a tedious task. i'm just the techy management decides on these things but i'm pretty sure they won't shut it down getting it back up costs too much time which they probably rather have spend on the move |
| 11:08.13 | freakynl | stew: You have 2 process hidden for ps command |
| 11:08.25 | freakynl | :) we're screwed i'll take it up with management |
| 11:08.28 | stew | freakynl: you need to reinstall or decommission the box |
| 11:08.40 | Knight_Lord | themill probably not |
| 11:08.45 | freakynl | stew: thx for the help :) atleast the statistics work again |
| 11:08.54 | stuart- | what's the diff between the business card iso and minimum cd iso? |
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| 11:09.12 | themill | Knight_Lord: if the serial wasn't updated then the update won't propagate. the serial *must* be updated. |
| 11:09.13 | stew | freakynl: please at least consider installing the missing essential packages and the security updates for that box |
| 11:09.27 | Knight_Lord | themill thanks |
| 11:09.28 | freakynl | stuart-: dunno but you have these business card shaped cd's they probably can contain less data than the 8" variants |
| 11:10.08 | freakynl | stew: i will, if i have time i'll take a copy of the box and do it on there cuz if ftp and such stop they're gonna hang me :D |
| 11:10.23 | stuart- | freakynl, is there anything i'd need in the bare minimum cd that wouldn't be available in the business card version? would it matter if i'm just gonna net-inst anyways? |
| 11:10.32 | stew | stuart-: the business card iso doesn't contain the base system, it only has enough to get you on the internet to download the base system. the netinst cds also contain all of the base packages, so these don't have to be fetched from the internet |
| 11:10.49 | stuart- | stew, oo. okay d/l'ing now. thanks |
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| 11:11.23 | MilhousePunkRock | Hello everyone! |
| 11:11.31 | freakynl | stew: ps part of coreutils? |
| 11:11.37 | stew | freakynl: there would be far less spam and phishing and ssh brute force attacks on the internet if it weren't for lazy admins like you |
| 11:11.40 | stew | freakynl: yes |
| 11:12.08 | Knight_Lord | themill ok even with the new serial nothing seems to have changed |
| 11:12.14 | themill | Knight_Lord: you can also use the named-xfer command by hand to force the update. |
| 11:12.17 | stew | freakynl: i'm sorry, no it is in procps |
| 11:12.27 | MilhousePunkRock | What do I need to compile things myself (and why is that not installed with the base system --> #make -bash: make: command not found) |
| 11:12.28 | themill | Knight_Lord: perhaps helpful: http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/networking_2ndEd/dns/ch14_03.htm#INDEX-2157.html |
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| 11:12.43 | themill | !tell MilhousePunkRock about b-e |
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| 11:13.51 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: Thanks.. Do I remember correctly that when I run make clean instead of make, apt-get will notice what I built so I can manage it from there? |
| 11:13.54 | Knight_Lord | themill that's a good list but the problem i'm getting is that the authorative server reported by the caching DNS server is wrong (it reports the old DNS master) |
| 11:14.49 | themill | MilhousePunkRock: make doesn't talk to apt at all.... not sure what you're trying to do. |
| 11:15.04 | gnube | There are guest accounts available on svn.debian.org, correct? |
| 11:15.19 | niru | hi all |
| 11:15.33 | gnube | I am working with the debian-perl team yet cannot send my id_dsa.pub key there, how might I do this? |
| 11:15.35 | niru | I got a garmin etrex serial connected device |
| 11:15.42 | niru | I want to make it work |
| 11:15.57 | niru | I installed gps |
| 11:15.57 | sep | gnube, you add your key using the webtool on alioth |
| 11:16.00 | niru | gpsdriver |
| 11:16.02 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: Basically I am only trying to install a printer... My memory is somewhat blurry about that, but I think there was a way to create a .deb from source code and install that instead of just compiling it, right? |
| 11:16.10 | sep | gnube, basicaly login on alioth and add keys in your profile there |
| 11:16.11 | niru | and kismet |
| 11:16.23 | sep | gnube, think there is a cronjob. so it wont work right away |
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| 11:16.54 | gnube | sep: Thanks, right. |
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| 11:17.19 | IR5676 | hi |
| 11:17.50 | freakynl | stew: i understand your concerns, i usually share them. but i have 160 hours of work i need to do in like 40, i am the only guy here that understands linux and i rather take the safe road. if that means the machine will be compromised for another couple of days so be it. it's not that it won't be handled, it'll just take a lil longer. i have concerns other than security alone, like my job and our customers. thanks tho' :) |
| 11:18.06 | themill | Knight_Lord: ahh. You need to tell bind what the master is in its config file. |
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| 11:18.22 | themill | Knight_Lord: http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/networking_2ndEd/dns/ch04_08.htm#INDEX-610.html |
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| 11:18.27 | keck0f | hi there |
| 11:18.32 | keck0f | how can i use aptitude to print out a list of all installed packages? |
| 11:18.36 | IR5676 | someone knows howto exec commands at the boot time whith no minds of shell scripting? |
| 11:18.50 | themill | MilhousePunkRock: what's the printer? do you really need to compile things? |
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| 11:19.13 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: Samsung ML-2010 |
| 11:19.16 | IR5676 | i want to exec cat iptables-restore | iptables-restore |
| 11:19.28 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: I found splix, which is a clone of Samsung |
| 11:19.33 | Knight_Lord | themill thanks I think i found the problem |
| 11:19.34 | MilhousePunkRock | s printer language |
| 11:19.51 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: And the driver needs good ol' make make install |
| 11:20.18 | themill | freakynl: you know those zombie farms that spew all the spam out and we normally diss the home windows users for running them? Are you sure your box isn't one of them? |
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| 11:20.54 | stew | themill: no, he's sure he IS one of them, in fact he said he is knowingly paying the bandwidth overage charges that they are incurring |
| 11:20.55 | IR5676 | basically i want a *.bat exec |
| 11:21.13 | freakynl | themill: at this point i'm actually 80% sure it's part of them unfortunately. if i can get the rootkit of fast i will, if i can protect it easily i will. if i risk taking the server out of the air for a couple of days i unfortunately won't |
| 11:21.27 | stew | ugh |
| 11:21.53 | themill | freakynl, stew: *sigh* |
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| 11:21.59 | MangosDebian | mornin' |
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| 11:22.57 | themill | freakynl: I know -- you're between a rock and a hard place. Is it feasible for you to put an extra firewall in front of that box that only lets stuff out from a couple of ports (25, 80)? |
| 11:22.58 | niru | hey can i get help here on garmin |
| 11:23.01 | stew | freakynl: stop chatting here and use the time to run the 3 or 4 simple commands i told you to replace the missing and known broken packages and install the missing security updates |
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| 11:24.26 | freakynl | stew: changed the sources has made apt-get upgrade a lot more feasible. no packages will be removed (did the stable keyword change) but as you're probably aware of also, just that won't fix it if there's a rootkit, rogue processes etc the upgrade is running |
| 11:24.39 | themill | MilhousePunkRock: I think you're looking for checkinstall. You can use that to quickly compile a deb from the source package and then use it. Whether the package actually integrates with cups on debian is an exercise left to the reader.... |
| 11:24.41 | Hungmanmoojoo | how do i find files named *boinc* on my computer? i tried reading find manpage.. but it is way too complicated |
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| 11:24.54 | stew | freakynl: how do you know it won't fix it if there's a rootkit? |
| 11:25.31 | themill | Hungmanmoojoo: either with find or locate |
| 11:25.49 | themill | Hungmanmoojoo: find / -name \*boinc\* |
| 11:26.07 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: I think basically the package only provides the .ppd files for various Samsung printers. Basically the printer is known to work fine in Linux in general and Debian in particular... |
| 11:26.35 | freakynl | stew: i've had a machine with a rootkit before, the processes that are already running are not installed by apt nor seen by it and won't be updated/replaced. i might just replace messed up versions of ps that hide the rogue processes making them visible again |
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| 11:26.55 | themill | MilhousePunkRock: if it's only the PPDs then you can just copy them manually into /etc/cups/ppds or use the ppd upload interface through the web interface. |
| 11:27.13 | freakynl | also if a package is compromised (for example ls was overwritten with a version that checks if the rootkit is still installed and reinstalls otherwise) and there's no update for it, you keep the compromised version |
| 11:27.17 | themill | MilhousePunkRock: if it's also backend drivers, filters etc, then they need to be installed in the right place |
| 11:27.17 | stew | freakynl: and if the rootkit is contained in the files in coreutils, you'd be replacing those as well |
| 11:27.26 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: I just thought of that myself, there is probably more to it |
| 11:28.27 | freakynl | i'll have a fortigate placed in front of it as well, it has some http/smtp proxies and IPS |
| 11:28.28 | stew | freakynl: you can clean the apt-cache and easily reinstall all the packages |
| 11:28.48 | stew | freakynl: you'll do all that, but you won't run "aptitude upgrade"?!? |
| 11:28.55 | freakynl | stew: that would be reassuring got docs on that |
| 11:29.07 | stew | freakynl: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 11:29.16 | freakynl | stew: it's running, like i said, changing the sources-list to sarge made it much more feasible it didn't want to remove ftp n such anymore |
| 11:29.26 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/checkinstall/ This is what google brought up for checkinstall. My concern is that I want to keep the system clean and have everything I installed manageable with apt. |
| 11:29.29 | stew | freakynl: but don't bother with that until you have installed all the missing essential packages anre run aptitude upgrade |
| 11:29.41 | MilhousePunkRock | Does not seem like much work, so I might try that |
| 11:29.52 | freakynl | that's why i asked if the 'stable' had change from sarge to etch that would explain the issues |
| 11:30.02 | stew | freakynl: no, it woulnd't |
| 11:30.04 | themill | stew: just hope that the rootkit doesn't come in .deb format so that dpkg remembers it if you use that factoid *grin* |
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| 11:30.35 | stew | themill: it might. he has a system that doesn't have coreutils, debianutils, debconf installed, but all of those packages are seemingly functional anyway |
| 11:31.00 | themill | stew: ouch |
| 11:31.06 | stew | themill: he's also missing ifupdown and e2fsprogs, so who knows if the box would actually be able to be rebooted |
| 11:31.12 | freakynl | stew: any other ideas? It appears as it was pointing to etch indeed whilst it needs sarge. i change the 'stable' words to 'sarge' in sources-list and apt-get suddenly seems to have no problems |
| 11:31.17 | kielein | Hello, are there any gramps package maintainers here by chance? |
| 11:31.34 | themill | MilhousePunkRock: checkinstall makes a deb file so apt will know about it. It's just that apt won't be able to upgrade the package because it's locally built. |
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| 11:32.01 | themill | MilhousePunkRock: you are aware that the splix drivers are in debian already aren't you? |
| 11:32.02 | stew | freakynl: you need to install the missing essential packages by running "aptitude update ; aptitude install '~E!~i' " and upgrade for the security fixes by running "aptitude upgrade" |
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| 11:32.08 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: Right. So when there is an update I will go through the procedure again with the new tarball? |
| 11:32.10 | jelly-home | hm, now do I quickly convert unixtime to something readable? |
| 11:32.10 | fasta | How can I move 500,000 files from one place to another over the network without getting silly failures like Gnome and KDE give? |
| 11:32.20 | themill | MilhousePunkRock: right |
| 11:32.29 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: What repo? apt-cache search splix did not find anything? |
| 11:32.36 | MilhousePunkRock | s/?/! |
| 11:32.43 | fasta | I thought Gnome and KDE matured a bit, but it seems still silly toys that they don't even get this right. |
| 11:32.45 | stew | freakynl: and "aptitude reinstall procps" |
| 11:32.55 | IR5676 | why do you do not compress it |
| 11:32.56 | IR5676 | ? |
| 11:32.58 | freakynl | stew: upgrade done, installing aptitude, already did a apt-get install --reinstall procps |
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| 11:33.09 | themill | fasta: rxync |
| 11:33.13 | themill | fasta: rsync |
| 11:33.14 | IR5676 | fasta? |
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| 11:33.32 | fasta | IR5676: I am not sure how long that would take. |
| 11:33.33 | stew | freakynl: are you seeing processes that were hidden before? |
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| 11:34.02 | themill | MilhousePunkRock: they're in main, but they're only in lenny and sid. There might be a backport at backports.org or you might be able to make one yourself trivially. |
| 11:34.21 | themill | !tell MilhousePunkRock about backport |
| 11:34.22 | jelly-home | (seconds since epoch -> Aug 8 2007 9:45:00am) ... and to answer my own question, perl -e 'print scalar localtime(1186043308)' |
| 11:34.53 | freakynl | stew: no, chkrootkit doesn't report them anymore either. aptitude upgrade doesn't install anyting, is it equal to apt-get upgrade? |
| 11:35.05 | stew | freakynl: so what were the two hidden processes? |
| 11:35.48 | freakynl | stew: dunno perhaps it was nothing (could be that check 1 found 2 processes that didn't live anymore at the time of check 2) |
| 11:35.50 | themill | fasta: you can also just tar them up without compression, push them over an ssh link and decompress on the fly with no temp files involved if you want. But rsync is more failure-resistant |
| 11:35.56 | stew | freakynl: yes, its similar to aptitude upgrade. can you show me the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 coreutils debianutils e2fsprogs" ? |
| 11:36.07 | stew | err similar to 'apt-get upgrade' |
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| 11:36.54 | fasta | themill: one minor complication is that I don't want to select some files. |
| 11:37.06 | fasta | themill: doing that via the command line is inconvenient now. |
| 11:37.21 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: Great, thanks! I'll come back when I run into problems with the backport |
| 11:37.27 | fasta | themill: I was looking at the failure called file-roller. I will now try ark |
| 11:38.09 | themill | fasta: tar and rsync have a very rich exclude syntax. you can even put the exclude filenames into a file and use that. |
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| 11:38.48 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: Oh, one more thing. Can the mirror for the backport be replaced with some other mirror closer to my location? |
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| 11:39.16 | freakynl | stew: up2date now thx http://www.pastebin.ca/649756 |
| 11:39.30 | fasta | themill: it's quite unfortunate that the only good programs are command line only. |
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| 11:39.41 | yast | plz anybody kno how to assign UUID to partitions |
| 11:39.47 | themill | MilhousePunkRock: yes. there is a list of mirrors http://www.backports.org/debian/README.mirrors.html but you might want to double check that they have what you want on them. |
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| 11:40.05 | themill | fasta: dar is supposed to be good too. |
| 11:40.07 | MilhousePunkRock | yast: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid |
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| 11:40.37 | stew | freakynl: no you aren't up to date yet, as can be seen by e2fsprogs candidate being newer than what is installed |
| 11:40.58 | yast | thing is that i repartitioned one of my hardisk using SuSE 10.2, when i came to ubuntu, i m not getting its UUID |
| 11:41.08 | MilhousePunkRock | yast: You don't assign them, they already have a UUID. replace the /dev/hdxy with UUID=<the actual uuid> in the fstab |
| 11:41.12 | cokeslut | sup? |
| 11:41.13 | MERLiiN | hello |
| 11:41.21 | fasta | themill: (I am not new to reading man pages etc. it's just that finding and understanding all the syntactic details for every tool leaves no space to do useful stuff. If everything was a complete interactive environment, using the same syntax, there wouldn't be such a problem) |
| 11:41.39 | stew | freakynl: you also don't have a security.debian.org source. you should have "deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main" in your sources.list ; add that, then "aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade" |
| 11:41.39 | freakynl | stew: reinstalling 8 packages |
| 11:41.45 | yast | thanks MilhousePunkRock, i will try it |
| 11:42.01 | freakynl | stew: i would have sworn i saw a security line hold on |
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| 11:42.45 | themill | fasta: yep... I know what you mean. You get to know a certain set of tools that you use all the time... |
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| 11:43.01 | schmidp | hi |
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| 11:44.15 | themill | fasta: I've thrown that size file list at ark before and it survived so it should work out for you if that's how you want to go about it. Sometimes copying the entire lot to a local dir and then deleting the ones you don't want then sending the whole lot is easier than trying to exclude. |
| 11:44.20 | schmidp | can somebody tell me why there is no /sbin/checkproc in debian etch? or is there a replacement? |
| 11:44.58 | freakynl | stew: i have this one (didn't change this line) deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 11:45.19 | freakynl | should i make it sarge/updates? |
| 11:45.56 | fasta | themill: so far, ark is still working |
| 11:46.00 | freakynl | also how does it determine whether stable should be edge, sarge, woody etc? |
| 11:46.01 | stew | freakynl: yes, i'm suprised that one didn't cause you problems |
| 11:46.02 | MERLiiN | confidential |
| 11:46.14 | themill | schmidp: isn't checkproc a suse utility? can you tell us what it does? if we don't have it we probably don't know what it does ;) |
| 11:46.18 | predder` | I know this sounds apache related but I suspect this is a debian hack: Can anybody shed some light on why apache2 processes my php files after I installed the libapache2-mod-php5 but it does not do the same for perl files after installing the libapache2-mod-perl2 package? |
| 11:46.44 | predder` | I realise the solution is to add an addhandler directive, i'm just curious as to why php works out of the box but perl doesnt |
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| 11:48.04 | schmidp | oh didn't know it's a suse tool, it's on all our older debian machines so I assumed it's a standard tool. it checks if a binary is already running. |
| 11:48.25 | themill | schmidp: if a system service or just any old program? |
| 11:48.50 | schmidp | and it's used in cronjob lines like: * * * * * root /sbin/checkproc /etc/scripts/nsrefresh || /etc/scripts/nsrefresh |
| 11:48.56 | schmidp | just a program |
| 11:49.06 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: I am stuck already... Firstly it's missing a public key, and secondly there is no .dsc file |
| 11:49.30 | freakynl | stew: so how does it determine where stable points to (atleast, i assume it's a symlink or whatever pointing to the correct version) |
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| 11:50.20 | stew | freakynl: yes, its a symlink that is changed when a new version of debian is released. people should pretty much never point to "stable" as it causes problems when the link changes, which is why newer installers don't use it anymore |
| 11:50.21 | schmidp | themill: what do you usually use on debian instead? |
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| 11:50.28 | themill | schmidp: lsof would be one approach. kill -0 might be another. Perhaps ask again how one could achieve what you are trying to achieve rather than asking about checkproc. |
| 11:50.51 | themill | MilhousePunkRock: hang on.... what are you trying to do? |
| 11:51.04 | freakynl | stew: ah i thought you said earlier that couldn't have caused the problems (that is the stable being change from -> sarge to -> edge |
| 11:51.09 | schmidp | thanks, I'll have a look at lsof and kill -0 first |
| 11:51.20 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: Nevermind, I forgot to append the version number. I'll ignore the missing key for the moment |
| 11:51.20 | freakynl | another 66 updates :D |
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| 11:51.32 | themill | schmidp: generally it's done form a config file -- i.e. if it's supposed to be running then it will be :) |
| 11:51.56 | themill | MilhousePunkRock: are you pulling the package from backports? or from sid? |
| 11:52.17 | stew | freakynl: it didn't cause the problems that you were missing 5 essential packages |
| 11:52.24 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: Backports, following this howto: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port |
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| 11:52.57 | themill | MilhousePunkRock: If you are pulling from backports.org then you don't need to do anything other than install it using apt. |
| 11:53.08 | freakynl | stew: :) strangely they seemed installed tho'. the guy that installed it had some debian image + some scripts he used to install perhaps he installed the tools manually w/o a package or something |
| 11:53.22 | stew | freakynl: and it didn't seem like installing packages from a 'stable' that was too new was the problem, since your install wasn't even up to date with 'oldstable' yet |
| 11:53.23 | aeshyamae | installing spca5xx sources would make the file /dev/video? |
| 11:53.26 | themill | MilhousePunkRock: if you are making a backport then you need to follow that howto |
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| 11:53.45 | aeshyamae | how to make the /dev/video so that i can use my inbuilt webcam in laptop? |
| 11:53.56 | stew | freakynl: yeah, 'the guy' is probably, 'the skript kiddie' |
| 11:54.26 | freakynl | stew: well what surprises me was that i had a webalizer that pointed to a newer libpng than i had. when we fixed the sources-list and reinstalled webalizer (well installed, it didn't reinstall webalizer, in installed db4.2 or something) suddenly libpng was a higher version. perhaps the segfault generated the wrong error msg |
| 11:54.28 | DawnLight | hey friends. what do i do to give a user permission to rw the /var/www? |
| 11:54.33 | stew | freakynl: you might consider doing something like installing snoopy, and watching /var/log/auth.log to see what commands are getting executing by local users |
| 11:54.38 | themill | MilhousePunkRock: ahh ok... so a backport doesn't already exist on backports.org. and you're making one yourself. |
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| 11:55.17 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: Uhm, probably I just followed the wrong link... Will try the instructions on backports.org now |
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| 11:55.41 | themill | MilhousePunkRock: no you're doing ok. there is no splix on backports.org |
| 11:55.44 | yast | l |
| 11:55.45 | freakynl | stew: thx that might be useful. we suspect the hosting company to generate income (like saying we pull too much bandwidth) and they still have the root account (i use another user account but with uid 0) |
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| 11:56.20 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: So I need to port the package myself? How do I deal with unmet dependancies then? |
| 11:57.11 | Mmike | !dpkg km |
| 11:58.49 | themill | MilhousePunkRock: apt-get build-dep splix should do it for you. |
| 11:58.54 | freakynl | stew: anyways thanks a bunch :) everything seems to be working |
| 11:58.56 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: Being too impatient once again. I will start over now with proper reading (it says "inspect required packages and install them too" but I overlooked that) |
| 11:59.31 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: But to do things properly, how do I obtain the gpg key for testing and unstable? |
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| 12:00.04 | themill | MilhousePunkRock: If you have debian-archive-keyring installed and you aptitude update then it should be all ok |
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| 12:05.41 | mic_p | Hi all. I have a problem tring upgrade libc (I had installed, on my system, xen and its libc6-xen): "A non-dpkg owned copy of the C library was found in /lib/tls." on so on... Googled for a while, but not found a solution. What can I do? |
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| 12:07.22 | stickybit` | echo 100 > /dev/hda |
| 12:07.30 | stickybit` | writes nothing to /dev/hda |
| 12:07.41 | stickybit` | why so? |
| 12:08.36 | toon | stickybit`: eh? first, you have to mount a filesystem, then you have to decalre a file to echo it to, say echo 100 > /mnt/hda3/moo |
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| 12:09.07 | stickybit` | toon let me try |
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| 12:09.42 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: Woo, compiling! It's gonna take a while on a 233 Mhz ARM with 32 MB though... |
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| 12:10.17 | themill | MilhousePunkRock: I won't break it to you that it took less than 10s on my machine when I was testing it out earlier then :) |
| 12:10.53 | MilhousePunkRock | Well, it would probably be faster on my Desktop with 2 GHz and a Gig of RAM... |
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| 12:11.48 | mgois | In my system netstat --numeric-ports doesn't resolve hostnames instead of just ports as indicated in the manpage. (netstat 1.42) Any clue? |
| 12:12.05 | stickybit` | bash: /mnt/hda3/moo: Is a directory |
| 12:12.12 | stickybit` | toon: |
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| 12:14.43 | fasta | themill: ok, ark failed too |
| 12:14.48 | freakynl | stickybit`: what makes you thinkg 'echo 100 > /dev/hda' writes nothing? you just succesfully screwed over the partition table on your primary harddisk :) |
| 12:14.49 | fasta | themill: now, trying kdar |
| 12:15.07 | stickybit` | freakynl |
| 12:15.07 | fasta | I wish they deleted all crappy software from the internet |
| 12:15.10 | freakynl | stickybit`: if you have such a device that is |
| 12:15.24 | fasta | Or rather, that I had a big delete button to do the same. |
| 12:15.24 | stickybit` | freakynl: no i am still able to use that partition |
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| 12:15.47 | freakynl | stickybit`: reboot, then try again. /dev/hda isn't a partition |
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| 12:16.36 | DawnLight | hey friends. what do i do to give a user permission to the /var/www? |
| 12:16.49 | freakynl | DawnLight: ls -ld /var/www |
| 12:16.51 | stickybit` | freakynl: actully i did `echo 100 > /dev/hda10' |
| 12:17.03 | fasta | Hmm, kdar is not packaged |
| 12:17.04 | stickybit` | freakynl: but still able to use it |
| 12:18.06 | freakynl | stickybit`: yea, you wrote 100 to the first 3 bytes of the filesystem, perhaps overwriting inode tables, fat tables whatever depending on the filesystem n such |
| 12:18.18 | DawnLight | freakynl: should i make that user the owner, or should i use a group? is that what groups are for? |
| 12:18.39 | freakynl | DawnLight: depends on what your other users want. if more than 1 user needs access to it you need groups indeed |
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| 12:19.25 | LLcoolM | re |
| 12:19.25 | freakynl | DawnLight: in which case for example you would create a group var-www-users or whatever and give that rights than add users that need access to it to var-www-users |
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| 12:20.00 | DawnLight | freakynl: only i need access to it but it would be nice to learn. point in the right direction? |
| 12:20.05 | LLcoolM | dunno why, but partially after a reboot my keyboard works again |
| 12:20.10 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: That worked so far... How do I enable remote access for the cups webinterface now? |
| 12:20.11 | stickybit` | freakynl: but it should currept hda10 |
| 12:20.21 | stickybit` | freakynl: what say? |
| 12:20.23 | freakynl | stickybit`: reformat the partition if there's nothing on it, just to be sure it's not corrupt, then mount it, like 'mount /dev/hda10 /mnt/my_mount_point_directory' then 'echo 100 > /mnt/my_mount_point_directory/filename |
| 12:20.54 | freakynl | stickybit`: it _might_ have corrupted the filesystem depending on what it does with the first 3 bytes you wrote to. if it was assigned as free space in the filesystem it shouldn't matter |
| 12:21.14 | dunno | __!!__ help-> microsoft wants to buy 51 percent of apple: see article on http://tinyurl.com/22gh7q |
| 12:21.35 | stickybit` | freakynl: i will try to write more bytes |
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| 12:21.40 | LLcoolM | but under x11 my keypad does no longer work as expected |
| 12:21.42 | themill | MilhousePunkRock: are you sure you want to :) /etc/cups/cups.conf -- by default it only listens on the loopback interface. |
| 12:21.50 | Thunderbird | hi |
| 12:21.55 | freakynl | dunno: so what do you expect, that us free software users come up with more money that M$ whahaha :P |
| 12:22.11 | Thunderbird | does anyone know what Xorg versions are in stable and testing? I can't easily see it due to the package naming |
| 12:22.23 | themill | fasta: how did ark fail? I'm curious as to what you're doing to the poor things.... |
| 12:22.24 | dunno | freakynl: read the article!! |
| 12:22.29 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: Well, I dont have a browser on the tiny arm machine the printer is connected to, I only ssh into it... |
| 12:22.45 | themill | MilhousePunkRock: yeah. i figured that. |
| 12:22.59 | freakynl | dunno: all i get is that it's german and about 6 beers |
| 12:23.10 | dunno | freakynl: thanks... |
| 12:23.14 | sussudio | !ops dunno is posting an obfuscated url to spam under the guise of an article |
| 12:23.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: sussudio complains about: dunno is posting an obfuscated url to spam under the guise of an article |
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| 12:23.23 | freakynl | dunno: perhaps you have the wrong link? |
| 12:23.31 | dunno | /leave |
| 12:23.33 | themill | MilhousePunkRock: you might want to consider some iptables rules to limit access to the admin interface or use X forwarding. |
| 12:23.55 | LLcoolM | does the keypad work for any of you in etch? |
| 12:24.09 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: I don't have security concerns on my own network, it's just me and my two computers... |
| 12:24.20 | LLcoolM | i am using a normal pc105 keyboard and i cannot use the keypad (did work in the past as i didnt change the xorg.conf) |
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| 12:24.37 | themill | MilhousePunkRock: fair enough. Not X forwarding... port forwarding over ssh is the other choice. |
| 12:25.13 | DawnLight | freakynl: what mans should i read? |
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| 12:25.56 | kdean06 | I'm attempting to burn an audio CD using some GTK app. When I use Nautilus the disc is burnt in data mode, even if I select "Make Audio CD". Gnomebaker doesn't work, it begins spitting out errors when it gets to the burning part. Can anyone recommend another burning app that is GTK/Gnome centric? |
| 12:26.03 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: The printer is supposed to be accesible for all machines (1 desktop running Gentoo, 1 laptop running Kubuntu (sorry for saying that name in here) and one Winblows laptop) |
| 12:26.36 | khaleel5000 | hello ,is there any chance that an updated release of etch (say with security fixes etc) will be released soon ? (dialup user , i was intending on ordering it.but thought if an update is expected, i should wait a while) |
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| 12:29.18 | Knight_Lord | Is there a bug in apcupsd in etch? I was trying to get the apcnisd to bind to all interfaces by using an NISIP 0.0.0.0 but it doesn't seem to work |
| 12:29.18 | themill | MilhousePunkRock: you can make the printer accessible by smb and the admin interface not if you choose. I think the cups.conf file also lets you restrict the /admin location with an apache-style syntax if you want. |
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| 12:30.08 | themill | MilhousePunkRock: but as you say, you want it accessible from lots of machines and you trust your network so it's not too much of a problem. |
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| 12:30.23 | DawnLight | how do i change the owner/group of a file? |
| 12:30.27 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: There is no smb on the server yet, I'll ignore my girlfriend's windows machine for now, the Linux boxes speak NFS... |
| 12:30.37 | MilhousePunkRock | DawnLight: man chown |
| 12:30.45 | DawnLight | thanks! |
| 12:30.52 | themill | MilhousePunkRock: btw is this a sweet little arm print server you're building? care to share more details? |
| 12:31.02 | fasta | themill: can I use find . -not -name 'foobar' | tar -cvvf foo.tar ? |
| 12:31.16 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: It's a super cow, actually: NSLU2 |
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| 12:31.59 | themill | MilhousePunkRock: you could just stick samba and reshare the print queue of another linux machine for the windows machine if you want... |
| 12:32.07 | MilhousePunkRock | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSLU2 |
| 12:32.51 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: IIRC Windows can speak with a cups printer by now, I used to share the old ink printer attached to the gentoo desktop to the Windows laptop |
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| 12:33.33 | slump | hi. what software you guys use for inventory? |
| 12:34.00 | themill | MilhousePunkRock: yeah..... vague memories of that... IPP or TCP/IP printing being supported.... |
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| 12:34.56 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: That's lower on the list for the moment, I think it was just adding a remote printer to windows, pointing it to the ip and installing the driver locally... |
| 12:35.05 | themill | fasta: that will only tar up a list of filenames. run it as two separate commands and use the -X (--exclude-from) option to tar |
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| 12:35.44 | themill | MilhousePunkRock: supporting legacy operating systems is always low on the priorities :) |
| 12:35.47 | fasta | themill: tar -cvvf foo.tar `find . -not -name 'foobar'` ? |
| 12:36.29 | themill | fasta: might work but beware the limits of the command line... if you've got that many files, you'll have a command line that's too long (it has a maximum size, you know) |
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| 12:36.39 | fasta | themill: argument list too long, indeed |
| 12:36.40 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: I found a blog entry that covers setting up CUPS on the NSLU2, once the web interface is accessible, everything else should be a piece of cake |
| 12:36.49 | fasta | themill: how to work around that in this case? |
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| 12:37.18 | Lepric | English version: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Flepric.2bb.ru&langpair=ru%7Cen&hl=ru&newwindow=1&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools |
| 12:37.21 | Lepric | Russian version: |
| 12:37.22 | fasta | I hate those arbitrary limits |
| 12:37.28 | xand | haha |
| 12:37.58 | xand | slump: a 15 year old ingres database |
| 12:38.54 | themill | fasta: find . -name foobar > excludelist; tar cf foo.tar --exclude-from excludelist . |
| 12:39.44 | stew | themill: find -not -name foobar | xargs tar cf foo.tar |
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| 12:40.04 | themill | fasta: btw you probably don't want v options to tar with that many files... that will slow it down lots. And running a set of excludes is probably easier than a set of includes. |
| 12:40.18 | themill | stew: won't that have the command line too long problem? |
| 12:40.51 | themill | stew: (we're back there again....) |
| 12:40.52 | xand | that's a bash limitation, it doesn't use bash |
| 12:40.54 | xand | iirc |
| 12:41.03 | themill | ok |
| 12:41.33 | themill | eliminating temp files is always good |
| 12:42.15 | stew | themill: no, but actually you want tar uf and not tar cf in case it gets split into multiple commands |
| 12:42.33 | stew | themill: the whole point of xargs is to deal with the command length limit |
| 12:44.36 | MilhousePunkRock | Hmm, instead of a test page it prints a page that says "internal error"... :/ |
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| 12:46.20 | fasta | themill: find . -not -name 'foobar' | xargs tar -rf foo.tar # this gives that xargs says that the argument list is too long... |
| 12:47.34 | fasta | stew: how am I using xargs incorrectly here? |
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| 12:49.00 | DawnLight | help me friends! i am trying to give a user permissions to rw /var/www by group. "drwxrw-r-x 3 root /var/www 4096 2007-08-08 11:28 www". the user is in the /var/ww group. is this right? |
| 12:49.38 | MilhousePunkRock | themill: There goes the test page! Thanks for the walk-through! |
| 12:50.07 | fasta | themill: ok, it's running again. |
| 12:50.37 | stew | fasta: it really shouldn't. btw, if there is a possiblity for whitespace in the filenames, you should add -print0 to find and -0 to xargs |
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| 12:51.02 | stew | DawnLight: no, the group needs execute permission, http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
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| 12:53.31 | DawnLight | stew: but why execute? i'm not trying to execute any binary |
| 12:53.52 | stew | DawnLight: /var/www isn't a binary |
| 12:54.15 | stew | DawnLight: execute for a directory is the right to cd to that directory |
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| 12:54.51 | DawnLight | isn't rw enough for the users in that directory to mkdir for example? |
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| 12:55.46 | CreativeOne | Hello folks |
| 12:55.54 | CreativeOne | how do i force full-duplex on my interfase config file? |
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| 12:56.30 | stew | DawnLight: no |
| 12:56.56 | DawnLight | does a user need to logout and log back in so he will get in the groups that he was added to? |
| 12:57.00 | stew | DawnLight: try it. mkdir /tmp/foo ; chmod a-x /tmp/foo ; mkdir /tmp/foo/bar |
| 12:57.02 | CreativeOne | how do i set 100 full duplex on my interfasE? |
| 12:57.07 | stew | DawnLight: yes, or use newgrp |
| 12:57.35 | DavidProck1981 | im tring to install cute-0.2.9 and when i do ./configure is get this message "QTDIR not set" Waht do i do? |
| 12:58.13 | Trewas | CreativeOne: ethtool or mii-tool, not that forcing the mode is usually a good idea |
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| 13:00.53 | DawnLight | thanks! |
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| 13:03.58 | ipmasq | hi i would like to understand a thing : in windows with connection sharing enabled if i send a file to someone in my lan or he sends to me transfer goes at full lan speed in linux with iptables a sharing provider i someone sends me a file it is sent at full lan speed but if i send him a file it goes a VERY slow speed, why, or what rule in iptable can help ? |
| 13:05.03 | kielein | Is there python maintainers around? |
| 13:05.21 | kielein | I mean ARE there... |
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| 13:05.31 | DavidProck1981 | Im tring to install something and when i do ./configure is get this message "QTDIR not set" What do i do? |
| 13:05.56 | stew | ipmasq: what exactly is the situation when it is slow? |
| 13:06.06 | stew | kielein: what do you mean? the python package, or any python package? |
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| 13:06.51 | ipmasq | stew the situation is exactly this if one sends me a file i receive it at lan speeds but if i try to send home it goes at ppp speed |
| 13:06.58 | ipmasq | so i guess i'm lacking some rule |
| 13:07.11 | kielein | stew, The python package I think, the one that includes bsddb |
| 13:07.36 | ipmasq | as far as now i'vre just a custom rule to forward all packets with dest=my ppp ip to 192.168.1.1 wich justifies i can receive file at full speed |
| 13:07.39 | zoldar49 | hello, is there any ftp server in debian repo that supports implicit encryption ? |
| 13:07.47 | ipmasq | but how do i do the same in opposite direction ? |
| 13:07.53 | stew | kielein: yes, that would be the python package, which has one maintianer, and you wouldn't find him here. what exactly are you after? |
| 13:08.16 | stew | ipmasq: it is slow sending a file from where to where, over what connection? |
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| 13:08.54 | kielein | stew, The bsddb should be updated as the current version has a bug that causes the gramps program to hang up in some situations |
| 13:08.58 | ipmasq | it's slow sending a file through amsn to a msn user in lan but if the msn user in lan sends me a file in amsn I receive it full speed |
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| 13:09.25 | stew | kielein: what version of gramps? checked the bts? |
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| 13:10.15 | ipmasq | and it's slow because the transfer occurs using external ppp connection instead of lan |
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| 13:10.38 | kielein | stew, Yes, the bug has been reported to the bts of gramps the last spring, and it has been localized to reside in the bsddb. And updating it resolves the problem. |
| 13:10.40 | ipmasq | so the problem is in host name resolution/mapping to local host |
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| 13:11.13 | stew | kielein: what is the bug#? |
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| 13:11.34 | kielein | stew: Anyway I use gramps from testing, 2.2.8-0.SVN. The bug is 1010. |
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| 13:12.30 | stew | kielein: testing currently has 2.2.8-1. the bug number should be something > 400000 ; /msg dpkg bts |
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| 13:13.26 | stew | kielein: does the bug persist if you upgrade to the current versions of gramps and python2.4 in testing? |
| 13:13.48 | kielein | stew: The bug number (in the bts of gramps) is 1010 with some zeroes in the beginning |
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| 13:14.12 | stew | kielein: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1010 |
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| 13:15.06 | kielein | stew, I have the lates packages, at least according to apt-get |
| 13:15.20 | stew | !info grams testing |
| 13:15.25 | stew | !info gramps testing |
| 13:15.26 | dpkg | gramps: (Genealogical Research and Analysis Management Program), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.2.8-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 15714 kB, Installed size: 29812 kB |
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| 13:15.48 | stew | kielein: show me the output of "apt-cache policy gramps python2.4" |
| 13:15.52 | stew | kielein: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 13:17.11 | slap | why does debian have to make itself different from other *nix |
| 13:17.18 | ma3x | hi i connected 2 pc via network cable and assigned static ips 192.168.2.1 and 192.168.2.2. when i try pinging, it says sendmsg operation not permitted. why? |
| 13:17.38 | kielein | stew: Ah, sorry, I have 2.2.8-1. Earlier I told the version that Gramps tells inthe About dialog. |
| 13:17.48 | andreiutz | Hello! I want to install Debian testing doing a net-install but the net-inst image on the debian web site is for the stable version. How can I do a net-install for the testing version ? |
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| 13:18.11 | stew | kielein: is this bug reported in the debian bts? |
| 13:18.15 | kielein | stew, python 2.4.4-5 |
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| 13:18.36 | stew | kielein: you should update to the current python2.4 in testing |
| 13:18.38 | kielein | stew, I don't know about that yet |
| 13:18.45 | mauricio | hello, i started a topic on http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3085617.0 , please help me |
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| 13:19.12 | LightKnight | Hi there... Debian Lenny. After today's dist-upgrade, I cannot connect to my leafnode anymore. slrn says "Failed to initialize server." and a "telnet localhost 119" fails as well. What can it be? |
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| 13:19.38 | stew | mauricio: please go to #kubuntu for help with kubutnu |
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| 13:20.23 | mauricio | stew: maybe you could help me |
| 13:20.29 | ma3x | can you help me? why does it say ping: sendmsg: operation not permitted? |
| 13:20.47 | madclicker | hi is there a way to fins out all the networks belonging to a ISP? |
| 13:20.48 | stew | mauricio: i won't help you becuase you are running ubuntu and you are using non-free drivers |
| 13:21.11 | stew | ma3x: either ping isn't suid root, or you have an iptables rule prventing the ICMP packet |
| 13:21.29 | andreiutz | How can I do a net-install for the testing version ? |
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| 13:22.00 | ma3x | stew, I think iptables has something to do with it. how do I fix it? |
| 13:22.10 | stew | ma3x: allow outgoing ICMP packets |
| 13:22.11 | ma3x | stew, I already ran ping as root |
| 13:22.25 | ma3x | stew, well should I flush the iptables? |
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| 13:22.54 | ipmasq | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.12 | mauricio | stew, ah, ok, thnks anyway :) |
| 13:23.13 | stew | ma3x: no. what are you doing with iptables? you need to have the output chain allow at least the ICMP echo request, if not all icmp |
| 13:23.53 | jean | has anyone been able to work libtrash under 2.6.18-4-amd64. I get segmentation faults when I load the library. I also tried to compile the library instead of using .deb I get the same error |
| 13:23.59 | ma3x | stew, well how come it has such rule to drop it? it should allow outgoing packets by default. no? |
| 13:24.27 | stew | ma3x: it has a rule to drop it becuase someone added a rule to drop it. it does allow all outgoing packets by default. |
| 13:24.47 | ma3x | stew, maybe my cable modem created that rule? |
| 13:24.57 | ma3x | stew, usb cable modem |
| 13:25.03 | stew | ma3x: no, your cable modem doesn't have root access to your debian install |
| 13:25.20 | andreiutz | Is it possible to do a net-install for the testing version ? |
| 13:25.31 | stew | andreiutz: yes, http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 13:25.53 | ma3x | stew, now I cleared all the rules and it says again ping: sendmsg: operation not permitted |
| 13:26.03 | andreiutz | stew, thank you very much |
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| 13:26.17 | stew | ma3x: what is the default policy of the OUTPUT chain? |
| 13:26.19 | ma3x | stew, do I need to specify gateway when I connect 2 pcs? |
| 13:26.33 | ma3x | stew, I flushed all rules. it should allow it but it doesnt |
| 13:27.01 | stew | ma3x: you don't need to specify a gateway if they are on the same network |
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| 13:27.25 | stew | ma3x: what is the default policy of the OUTPUT chain set to? |
| 13:28.22 | ma3x | stew, chain output (policy drop) |
| 13:28.32 | ma3x | how do I set it to allow?? |
| 13:28.40 | DavidProck1981 | where is qt installed at, where would i set the QTDIR at ??????????????????? |
| 13:28.42 | stew | ma3x: then that is why you can't ping (or, now, since you flushed all the rules, can't do anything at all with the network) |
| 13:28.48 | stew | ma3x: man iptables |
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| 13:29.45 | lectures4ever | Hello I have a problem with internet superserver |
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| 13:29.51 | Assid | heya |
| 13:29.54 | stew | ma3x: however you should note that unless you figure out what changed your firewall rules to start with, the problem is likely to recur |
| 13:29.56 | Assid | can someone help me with quotas |
| 13:30.11 | stew | Assid: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 13:30.40 | lectures4ever | I would get the message: "not starting internet superserver" so I did a "update-rc.d -f openbsd-inetd remove" , now when I do apt-get install xinetd , it stalls |
| 13:30.40 | Assid | ive set the quotas as quotatool -v -b -q 10MB -l 10MB -u user <dev> |
| 13:30.49 | DavidProck1981 | WELL will this work then http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3034115 |
| 13:30.58 | lectures4ever | did I err very badly and ruin something major here ? |
| 13:30.59 | DavidProck1981 | Ubuntu link |
| 13:31.06 | Assid | however.. the user has not used the allocated 10mb .. as is maxing out |
| 13:31.26 | ma3x | stew, thanks a lot! |
| 13:31.28 | Assid | quota user shows the blocks with * (asterisk) .. which im guessing means the block limit has been rreached |
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| 13:31.47 | Assid | is there any way to remove that so it catches the 10MB limit instead of the block limit? |
| 13:32.15 | lectures4ever | I would get the message: "not starting internet superserver: no services enabled" so I did a "update-rc.d -f openbsd-inetd remove" , now when I do apt-get install xinetd , it stalls, as in the install just hangs at "getting header" . did I err very badly and ruin something major here ? |
| 13:32.46 | stew | lectures4ever: does "apt-get update" succeed? |
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| 13:32.52 | stew | lectures4ever: do you have a need for xinet at all? |
| 13:32.58 | stew | lectures4ever: err xinetd |
| 13:32.59 | lectures4ever | no |
| 13:33.02 | lectures4ever | connection failed |
| 13:33.13 | stew | lectures4ever: do you have internet access at all? |
| 13:33.14 | lectures4ever | update fails ^ ^ |
| 13:33.18 | lectures4ever | yes from the browser |
| 13:33.25 | stew | lectures4ever: can you, for instance, "ping ftp.debian.org"? |
| 13:33.34 | Assid | stew: any clue |
| 13:33.44 | lectures4ever | stew: the ping works |
| 13:33.45 | stew | Assid: i dont' know anything about quotas |
| 13:33.53 | lectures4ever | but apt-get update connection failed |
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| 13:34.05 | stew | lectures4ever: then you have to change the mirror you are using in sources.list: /msg dpkg mirrors ; /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 13:34.25 | lectures4ever | why ? or what do you mean ? |
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| 13:34.47 | stew | lectures4ever: if you can't connect to the server you currently have configured in sources.list, you have to use another one |
| 13:34.52 | Narada | hi all; i have installed dancer-ircd but people from outside cannot connect; how do i open it up; i have config in front of me but i need some help |
| 13:35.16 | lectures4ever | it just hangs at "Waiting for headers" |
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| 13:35.51 | lectures4ever | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.59 | lectures4ever | i changed the mirror but connection failed again :( |
| 13:36.34 | stew | lectures4ever: what is the mirror you are currently trying to use? can you successfully go to that url in a web browser from the same machine? |
| 13:37.29 | lectures4ever | i was using us, then de |
| 13:37.57 | lectures4ever | Yes |
| 13:38.12 | lectures4ever | stew: Yes I can from the browser , but apt-get update or install connection fails :( |
| 13:38.32 | stew | lectures4ever: is apt configured to use a proxy? is your browser? |
| 13:38.36 | lectures4ever | no |
| 13:38.41 | lectures4ever | apt uses apt-cacher |
| 13:38.47 | mancubus | hi! How I may install thunderbird mail client on SID? There is no such package on apt-cache search |
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| 13:38.56 | lectures4ever | so my sources.list URL are like http://localhost/... |
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| 13:39.06 | loesh | mancubus, icedove |
| 13:39.10 | diilbertAtWork | What do I have to do to add locales to my box ? |
| 13:39.13 | cahoot | mancubus, icedove or such? |
| 13:39.18 | diilbertAtWork | I am trying to install the french locale |
| 13:39.18 | lectures4ever | :( |
| 13:39.19 | stew | lectures4ever: and you can go to http://localhost/... in a browser successfully? |
| 13:39.37 | lectures4ever | no |
| 13:39.45 | stew | lectures4ever: then what did you mean by "Yes I can from the browser" |
| 13:39.57 | mancubus | cahoot, Hm.... thunderbird become icedove? |
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| 13:40.08 | lectures4ever | I can go to http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ |
| 13:40.14 | cahoot | mancubus, IIRC |
| 13:40.23 | lectures4ever | but I can't go to http://localhost:9999/ftp.de.debian.org/debian |
| 13:40.24 | stew | lectures4ever: you need to fix apt-cacher, or stop using it |
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| 13:40.42 | lectures4ever | look i entered a command that screwed this up i wanna undo it somehow |
| 13:40.45 | lectures4ever | the command was |
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| 13:41.11 | lectures4ever | the command was "update-rc.d -f openbsd-inetd remove" |
| 13:41.12 | mancubus | cahoot, thnx you right |
| 13:41.34 | stew | lectures4ever: were you running apt-cacher via inetd? |
| 13:41.40 | lectures4ever | and I entered that command as per http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=569117 |
| 13:41.58 | lectures4ever | because I have the message on boot which says internet superserver cannot be started |
| 13:42.04 | lectures4ever | stew: i don't know |
| 13:42.04 | diilbertAtWork | let me rephrase that ... how do add a different locale to my environemnt ? |
| 13:42.10 | lectures4ever | but apt-cacher was working fine before this |
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| 13:42.13 | stew | lectures4ever: why are you switching from inetd to xinetd? |
| 13:42.23 | lectures4ever | i don't even know the difference stew |
| 13:42.30 | lectures4ever | i was trying to fix the problem I told you about |
| 13:42.34 | lectures4ever | because I have the message on boot which says internet superserver cannot be started |
| 13:42.56 | stew | lectures4ever: why do you want to start the 'internet superserver'? |
| 13:43.01 | diilbertAtWork | I can see that locale I want to use in /usr/share/i18n/locales/ |
| 13:43.01 | lectures4ever | shit |
| 13:43.08 | lectures4ever | I thought it was a problem that it was not starting |
| 13:43.11 | lectures4ever | i don't even know what it does |
| 13:43.17 | stew | lectures4ever: its not that it can't start, its that its not bothering to start becuase its not being used for anything |
| 13:43.24 | lectures4ever | ok |
| 13:43.28 | lectures4ever | now how do I undo my dodo |
| 13:43.30 | lectures4ever | ???? |
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| 13:43.43 | stew | lectures4ever: you can check inetd.conf to verify that it wasn't configured to do anything |
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| 13:44.13 | lectures4ever | stew: correct it's all commented out |
| 13:44.17 | DavidProck1981 | CAN SOME ONE TELL ME HOW TO FIX THIS ERROR "QTDIR not set" , IM VERY SURE IT IS EASY FOR U PROS |
| 13:44.18 | lectures4ever | now what ? |
| 13:44.22 | lectures4ever | stew: correct it's all commented out |
| 13:44.25 | lectures4ever | stew: now what ? |
| 13:44.26 | stew | DavidProck1981: please turn off your caps-lock |
| 13:44.36 | stew | lectures4ever: now fix your sources.list or fix apt-cacher |
| 13:44.42 | lectures4ever | how? |
| 13:44.47 | stew | lectures4ever: /msg dpkg soruces.list |
| 13:45.05 | DavidProck1981 | stew about time some knowledge in here |
| 13:45.14 | lectures4ever | # /msg dpkg sources.list <---- no such file or directory |
| 13:45.17 | DavidProck1981 | is it a east fix |
| 13:45.17 | snowbird | hey stew |
| 13:45.21 | lectures4ever | # /msg dpkg sources.list <---- no such file or directory |
| 13:45.26 | stew | dpkg: tell lectures4ever about sources.list |
| 13:45.41 | lectures4ever | ah ! |
| 13:46.11 | lectures4ever | would you like a copy of my sources.list ? |
| 13:46.12 | LightKnight | !inetd |
| 13:46.12 | dpkg | inetd is the internet super-server, read 'man 8 inetd' for details. Also ask me about "update-inetd" |
| 13:46.17 | LightKnight | !inet |
| 13:46.21 | themill | DavidProck1981: please don't shout. I think it's libqt3-mt-dev |
| 13:46.32 | DavidProck1981 | thank you |
| 13:46.38 | lectures4ever | why did the command i entered screw up apt-cacher? |
| 13:47.15 | themill | DavidProck1981: or some package like that... I don't know exactly which one it is. I can't recall exactly. |
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| 13:47.50 | jean | is there any other package that implements a trashcan. libtrash is not working (segmentation fault) |
| 13:47.57 | lectures4ever | stew: ok some progress , after removing the apt-cacher URLs and using normal URLs, it's loading fine now |
| 13:48.18 | lectures4ever | stew: but I wanna get back to using apt-cacher . so ... what's your suggestion? btw your help is most appreciated here. |
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| 13:49.04 | themill | DavidProck1981: did that work? |
| 13:49.04 | stew | lectures4ever: i've never uesd it, but probably /etc/init.d/apt-cacher start |
| 13:49.11 | DavidProck1981 | hay libqt3-mt-dev and libqt3-mt is allready installed |
| 13:49.14 | stew | jean: did you check the bts? /msg dpkg bts |
| 13:49.42 | lectures4ever | what about the bad command I entered? what are the reprecussions of tha ? |
| 13:49.44 | DavidProck1981 | still get QTDIR not set |
| 13:49.51 | lectures4ever | the command was "update-rc.d -f openbsd-inetd remove" |
| 13:50.10 | stew | lectures4ever: it doesn't matter since you weren't using it anyway |
| 13:50.35 | themill | DavidProck1981: you'll have to do some experimenting.... libqt3-dev ? |
| 13:50.41 | jetscreamer | why is inetd required if we don't use it |
| 13:50.43 | lectures4ever | apt-cacher unable to bind to port |
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| 13:50.51 | lectures4ever | but it screwed up my apt-cacher |
| 13:51.21 | stew | lectures4ever: how did removing the startup links for openbsd-inetd screw up your apt-cacher? |
| 13:51.27 | lectures4ever | I don't know man |
| 13:51.30 | lectures4ever | that's what i'm asking |
| 13:51.35 | stew | lectures4ever: it didn't |
| 13:51.42 | lectures4ever | it was working right beffore |
| 13:52.02 | stew | lectures4ever: no it wasn't |
| 13:52.06 | lectures4ever | yes it was |
| 13:52.09 | stew | ok |
| 13:52.12 | lectures4ever | i was just downloading stuff with it |
| 13:52.15 | lectures4ever | it was working |
| 13:52.18 | lectures4ever | i'm not lying |
| 13:52.23 | lectures4ever | i wouldn't because I need the help |
| 13:52.40 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 13:53.11 | stew | lectures4ever: "update-rc.d openbsd-inetd defaults" would do the opposite of the command you issued |
| 13:53.17 | lectures4ever | thanks !!! |
| 13:53.41 | themill | DavidProck1981: does it use qt3 or qt4? |
| 13:53.51 | DavidProck1981 | 3 i think |
| 13:54.00 | stew | lectures4ever: but since you aren't running apt-cacher via inetd, it can't have any affect on apt-cacher |
| 13:54.39 | lectures4ever | but it is because now /etc/init.d/apt-cacher start FAILS and give unable to bind socket port 3142 |
| 13:54.47 | themill | DavidProck1981: then libqt3-mt-dev should be what you need |
| 13:55.05 | snowbird | i have to load my desk top icons from comand line |
| 13:55.21 | stew | lectures4ever: probably becuase it is already running. |
| 13:55.21 | Narada | what's an easy ircd to setup out of the box |
| 13:55.24 | jorgp | anyone know of a site I can get gnome 2.18 for etch? 2.14 is a bit old |
| 13:55.30 | stew | lectures4ever: you said your sources.list was pointing to port 9999 not 3142 |
| 13:55.39 | loesh | Narada, smc |
| 13:55.45 | jetscreamer | !tell jorgp -about backports |
| 13:56.05 | loesh | Narada, sorry ... znc :) |
| 13:56.37 | DavidProck1981 | export QTDIR=/use/lib/qt3 dont work ither |
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| 13:56.39 | lectures4ever | ok stew , |
| 13:56.42 | lectures4ever | now it works again |
| 13:56.47 | lectures4ever | Thanks you so much |
| 13:56.56 | stew | lectures4ever: what did you do to fix it? |
| 13:57.36 | lectures4ever | ok aafter I ran the command to restore rc.d to defaults |
| 13:57.44 | lectures4ever | I removed apt-cacher |
| 13:57.45 | jorgp | thanks jetscreamer |
| 13:57.47 | lectures4ever | then reinstalled it |
| 13:57.52 | lectures4ever | now it works again |
| 13:58.01 | jetscreamer | DavidProck1981: not sure but does alternatives control that? |
| 13:58.03 | Assid | hrmm |
| 13:58.09 | jetscreamer | as in update-alternatives? |
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| 13:58.21 | DavidProck1981 | dont know |
| 13:58.25 | stew | makes no sense... |
| 13:58.45 | jetscreamer | look in /etc/alternatives |
| 13:58.46 | lectures4ever | well i wish it did make sense to me, but the results are there |
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| 13:59.43 | DavidProck1981 | jetscreamer ok what do i do there |
| 14:00.07 | jetscreamer | DavidProck1981: just see if it's listed, if it is you use update-alternatives to adjust it |
| 14:00.18 | jetscreamer | speaking of |
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| 14:00.41 | DavidProck1981 | i see qtconfig there |
| 14:00.46 | jetscreamer | i --purged vi, vim, et al... why do i have like 6 or so vi type symlinks in /etc/alternatives, some broken, some not |
| 14:01.21 | jetscreamer | DavidProck1981: i don't know the syntax for doing individual ones, i just do update-alternatives --all and go through them all |
| 14:01.53 | DavidProck1981 | k, doing that now |
| 14:02.03 | jetscreamer | not saying it |
| 14:02.06 | jetscreamer | err |
| 14:02.14 | jetscreamer | not saying it 'will' help, just a guess |
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| 14:02.30 | Assid | hey can someone help me with quotas |
| 14:02.34 | DavidProck1981 | jetscreamer ok this is confuseing? |
| 14:02.51 | jetscreamer | DavidProck1981: just hit enter to keep the defaults |
| 14:03.02 | jetscreamer | when it asks... cahnge one if you want |
| 14:03.24 | jetscreamer | like change the qt one if it happens |
| 14:04.07 | lectures4ever | ugh dilbert and debian don't go together |
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| 14:04.15 | lectures4ever | dilbert is more like Windows Vista |
| 14:04.18 | lectures4ever | not debian |
| 14:04.26 | lectures4ever | debian is for Homer Simpson |
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| 14:05.57 | Filthpig | I'm running Elive (debian with Enlightenment GUI, more or less), and my wireless won't work. It's found and is displayed with iwconfig, but I cannot activate it.. |
| 14:06.10 | stew | Filthpig: ask #elive |
| 14:06.27 | themill | DavidProck1981: sorry... freenode keeps dropping out on me today so I've missed what's been going on. |
| 14:06.52 | DavidProck1981 | err that last command did not help |
| 14:06.58 | DavidProck1981 | just finnish |
| 14:07.02 | lectures4ever | themill I've managed to succesfully downgrade from Sid to Etch |
| 14:07.10 | DavidProck1981 | did not ack any thing abou QT |
| 14:07.13 | lectures4ever | well somewhat succesfully so far |
| 14:07.15 | jetscreamer | oh well |
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| 14:07.21 | lectures4ever | I still have the multiple kernel problems |
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| 14:07.34 | jetscreamer | lectures4ever: you want to do a clean install dude |
| 14:07.36 | DavidProck1981 | that was an interresting command thow |
| 14:07.40 | themill | DavidProck1981: libqt3-mt-dev and perhaps qt3-qtconfig are the things you need. And then make sure the alternatives are right for uic moc qtconfig qtassistant assistant... |
| 14:07.43 | lectures4ever | jetscreamer: that's what I did :) |
| 14:07.54 | lectures4ever | but somehow my grub menu still shows a lot of kernels |
| 14:08.03 | lectures4ever | I want it select the proper one automagically. |
| 14:08.06 | jetscreamer | next time 'format' it |
| 14:08.09 | lectures4ever | lol |
| 14:08.17 | lectures4ever | ouch. |
| 14:08.17 | jetscreamer | edit /boot/grub/menu.lst perhaps |
| 14:08.27 | jetscreamer | or run update-grub |
| 14:08.29 | jetscreamer | first |
| 14:08.29 | lectures4ever | jetscreamer: Thanks ! that's exactly what I was hoping to ask for ! |
| 14:08.34 | lectures4ever | ok |
| 14:08.37 | lectures4ever | i'll run update-grub |
| 14:08.45 | lectures4ever | command not found |
| 14:08.51 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 14:08.59 | jetscreamer | apt-get install grub ? |
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| 14:09.01 | themill | DavidProck1981: also probably qmake.... there are lots of alternatives to make sure you have right. |
| 14:09.12 | DavidProck1981 | ok |
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| 14:09.19 | lectures4ever | ok |
| 14:09.30 | jetscreamer | DavidProck1981: you might write down anything you change so you can change it back later if you want |
| 14:09.36 | lectures4ever | i'm getting the Sid grub now |
| 14:09.42 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 14:09.50 | themill | lectures4ever: stop |
| 14:09.51 | lectures4ever | BTW, is it bad that I point my sources.list to Sid ? |
| 14:09.51 | jetscreamer | lectures4ever: how about starting over... |
| 14:10.05 | jetscreamer | only if you don't want to run sid is it bad |
| 14:10.06 | lectures4ever | hmmm |
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| 14:10.15 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 14:10.16 | dpkg | hmm... reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 14:10.21 | jetscreamer | the second part |
| 14:10.43 | jetscreamer | and erase the partition |
| 14:10.56 | lectures4ever | what partition ? |
| 14:10.59 | lectures4ever | root ? |
| 14:11.03 | jetscreamer | when you reinstall |
| 14:11.05 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 14:11.22 | Narada | loesh: kk |
| 14:11.28 | themill | lectures4ever: you will only very very very occasionally want something from sid. Stick with etch. Etch is stable. Etch is your friend. Once you really know what you are doing then think about using backports.org. |
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| 14:11.31 | themill | lectures4ever: Then think about making your own backports. Then think about using Lenny. You will probably never want to run sid. |
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| 14:11.50 | jetscreamer | now that's wrong :) you will want to!!! |
| 14:11.52 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 14:12.30 | snowbird | with fire started i cant find /usr/bin/firestarter |
| 14:12.37 | microtux | jetscreamer, it was funny to see there; on W.... |
| 14:12.40 | lectures4ever | what if i just uninstall this sid grub , point sources.list back to stable and install grub |
| 14:12.45 | lectures4ever | after apt-get update ? |
| 14:12.53 | jetscreamer | uh |
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| 14:12.55 | Ronin | lectures4ever: your computer blows up |
| 14:13.06 | themill | DavidProck1981: If you started configuring with qt4 sources present, then you might like to delete the sources, unpack the tarball again and try ./configure etc again. |
| 14:13.19 | lectures4ever | i'm apt-get updating from Etch (stable) now |
| 14:13.33 | themill | DavidProck1981: make clean or make distclean might be enough but they might not be. |
| 14:13.35 | lectures4ever | jetscreamer: i didn't understand the commands that dpkg gave now |
| 14:13.47 | lectures4ever | what was that about the second part? |
| 14:13.56 | DavidProck1981 | themill jetscreamer , im just tring to get a good featured text editor that is light weight that is not to a pasicfic desktop enviroment, and i like the way "cute-0.2.9" is |
| 14:14.16 | lectures4ever | DavidProck: emacs |
| 14:14.22 | lectures4ever | oh no it's not lightweight |
| 14:14.30 | lectures4ever | not anymore |
| 14:14.32 | xand | vim |
| 14:14.37 | lectures4ever | there is nano |
| 14:14.38 | lectures4ever | and vimo |
| 14:14.39 | lectures4ever | and vim |
| 14:14.40 | zamuro | What should I put in a cosole to know how many gb I've got on a directory? |
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| 14:14.42 | jtaylor__ | I am trying to move a database over to a new debian server. Same versions etc. The problem is that the database is about 3 million small tables (admittedly not the best situation, but the situation nonetheless). When I start mysql the debian-sys-mait user tries to do some "maitenance" prob cause its trying to check that this database is ok. Since there are so many tables, it essentially goes forever. I see in SHOW PRO |
| 14:14.46 | xand | zamuro: du |
| 14:14.46 | jtaylor__ | CESSLIST; that the debian-sys-maint has been "preparing" SHOW TABLE STATUS for a very very long time. Is there any way to tell the debian-sys-mait that these are ok and can be skipped? |
| 14:14.47 | DavidProck1981 | something with a little bit of a gui |
| 14:14.52 | jetscreamer | lectures4ever: dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 14:14.53 | themill | gvim |
| 14:14.54 | jetscreamer | that |
| 14:15.03 | DavidProck1981 | i dont understand emacs |
| 14:15.03 | jetscreamer | type it, paste it, whatever |
| 14:15.13 | zicho | like 5-8 seconds after i plug an USB Mass Storage device in, it automatically disconnected. My /var/log/messages tells me that it gets connected, but it gets disconnected right after. Can someone help me? =/ |
| 14:15.14 | lectures4ever | what does && apt-get install do ? |
| 14:15.39 | jetscreamer | && waits for the preceding command to successfully complete before moving on to the next |
| 14:15.42 | themill | zicho: does this happen with all usb devices? |
| 14:15.43 | jetscreamer | & doesn't wait |
| 14:16.00 | lectures4ever | jetscreamer |
| 14:16.07 | lectures4ever | I just did the first two parts > and < |
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| 14:16.14 | jetscreamer | lectures4ever: wait |
| 14:16.16 | DavidProck1981 | and one what u open up a c++ file it has the different colors for subs and functions (helps read the code quicker) |
| 14:16.18 | lectures4ever | now what will happen when I run apt-get install ? |
| 14:16.20 | lectures4ever | ok |
| 14:16.21 | lectures4ever | i'll wait |
| 14:16.24 | lectures4ever | this is important |
| 14:16.25 | zicho | themill: no just usb mass storage |
| 14:16.40 | zicho | i can connect my game pad without it disconnecting |
| 14:16.43 | themill | DavidProck1981: vim/gvim does that very nicely. |
| 14:16.55 | themill | zicho: all usb mass storage devices or only some of them? |
| 14:17.06 | ma3x | how come when you visit a page that has those adultfriendfinder ads, it knows precisely from what city/state you are? if you do 'whois ip' it will show you the country/state but not the city |
| 14:17.09 | DavidProck1981 | does vim have a gui |
| 14:17.13 | jetscreamer | lectures4ever: first you do dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt . save it on a floppy or something. . then you take the install cd and install and format the partition. then you do dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 14:17.31 | zicho | themill: all ive tried |
| 14:17.36 | jorgp | DavidProck1981: yes |
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| 14:17.41 | zicho | themill: and theay have worked before |
| 14:17.42 | lectures4ever | jetscreamer: ok |
| 14:17.50 | lectures4ever | jetscreamer: and the purpose of this is what ? |
| 14:17.55 | themill | ma3x: there are other ways: e.g. http://www.hostip.info/ |
| 14:18.08 | stew | ma3x: http://geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm?GetLocation&ipaddress=vit94-1-89-82-249-82.dsl.club-internet.fr |
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| 14:18.39 | jetscreamer | lectures4ever: to erase your partition and reinstall debian etch, and then reinstall the packages you had in the other installation |
| 14:18.45 | themill | DavidProck1981: vim's gui is gvim :) vim.org for windoze binaries, it's in debian and probably all other linux distros. |
| 14:18.46 | lectures4ever | ok |
| 14:18.48 | lectures4ever | thanks |
| 14:18.53 | jetscreamer | aka START OVER WITH CLEAN SLATE |
| 14:18.56 | slaq | anyone know how to do a scsi hotplug on kernel 2.6 (without the legacy /proc/scsi interface)? i cannot find any docs about this |
| 14:18.57 | lectures4ever | ok |
| 14:19.00 | lectures4ever | thanks |
| 14:19.07 | jetscreamer | np |
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| 14:19.33 | keck0f | how can i format a device using ext3 with dir_index and extended POSIX-ACLs? must be something like "mkfs.ext3 -O acls,dir_index /dev/sysvg/smb1" what is the korrekt syntax? |
| 14:19.40 | stew | ma3x: also, apt-cache search geoip |
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| 14:20.05 | ma3x | stew, isn't geoip only for the country? |
| 14:20.21 | stew | ma3x: i don't konw |
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| 14:21.12 | alex_ | DavidProck1981, please rtfm |
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| 14:21.31 | jelly | slaq: you want to do a rescan of the bus? |
| 14:22.14 | ma3x | hm weird those ads guess the city even |
| 14:22.21 | snowbird | any help with firstarter? |
| 14:22.27 | stew | ma3x: did you see the geobytes link i sent you? |
| 14:22.32 | jetscreamer | ads might go by ip |
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| 14:23.03 | theclaw | hi |
| 14:23.12 | ma3x | stew, yes it says region Ile-De-France |
| 14:23.12 | theclaw | is there some generic way to upgrade xorg? |
| 14:23.16 | theclaw | some "meta-package"? |
| 14:23.19 | ma3x | it can't guess the exact area |
| 14:23.19 | stew | ma3x: and city: paris |
| 14:23.32 | themill | zicho: I presume you have tried either reloading the usb modules or rebooting the machine? |
| 14:23.35 | ma3x | stew, nope, it's a small area near paris |
| 14:23.53 | ma3x | stew, it should show vitry sur seine |
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| 14:24.12 | stew | ma3x: you are seeing adds that get more specific than 'paris area'? |
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| 14:24.39 | stew | ma3x: in any case, that site does very well sometimes and not so well others, but it was meant as an example of how they are knowing what location you are in |
| 14:24.53 | slaq | jelly, well, in the past i have used echo "scsi remove-single-device 0 0 6 0" >/proc/scsi/scsi and friends.. i now want to know what commands to use in linux 2.6 for hot-remove, hot-add, rescan-bus, etc. |
| 14:25.30 | themill | ma3x: did you look at the site I sent you? it has you in Vitry-sur-Seine |
| 14:25.57 | somian[0] | Hrm. Used to be that it wasn't a problem to run a graphical X11 app as root when in a user X11 session. You just has a terminal with root (via su - or gnome-term as su). Then you typed $ export XAUTHORITY=/home<username>/.Xauthority ; then ran the command. Doesn't work anymore (Fiesty Fawn). What's changed/ |
| 14:26.30 | jelly | slaq: ah, I only know echo 1 >> /sys/class/scsi_device/1:0:1:1/device/rescan |
| 14:26.34 | somian[0] | Urg, Etch, not Fiesty, rather. |
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| 14:26.35 | stew | somian[0]: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 14:26.37 | themill | somian[0]: first ubuntu != debian. Second try using sux of gksu |
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| 14:26.51 | somian[0] | Sorry 'bout that. i am running Etch. |
| 14:26.59 | slaq | jelly, hmm well thats might work for adding a disk. but how do i remove one? |
| 14:26.59 | Ronin | uh huh sure you are |
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| 14:27.09 | ma3x | http://www.hostip.info/ ? |
| 14:27.15 | somian[0] | sux ...? |
| 14:27.17 | themill | somian[0]: also make sure you have a DISPLAY set |
| 14:27.19 | somian[0] | Hmmm |
| 14:27.24 | themill | ma3x: yes |
| 14:27.34 | harpal | I have just done apt-get upgrade and I have 4.0 in /etc/debian_version. That means I have upgreaded to 4.0 ? |
| 14:27.37 | jorgp | stew: do you think testing is to broken to use? |
| 14:28.10 | stew | jorgp: it depends on what you are using it for, and your familiarity with debian |
| 14:28.11 | themill | !tell somian[0] about sux |
| 14:28.23 | jelly | slaq: I never needed that... if I had to guess, I'd say it had something to do with .../delete in the same place |
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| 14:28.29 | ma3x | themill, that one? |
| 14:28.29 | ma3x | stew, yes the ad sites get more specific than that |
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| 14:28.33 | jorgp | stew: basic desktop use |
| 14:28.52 | somian[0] | 'tis not a Debian package, themill? That's curious. |
| 14:28.58 | jorgp | stew: nothing critical |
| 14:29.04 | themill | ma3x: yes. |
| 14:29.19 | slaq | jelly, hmm.. well, and how do i add a newly added disk by scsi-id? i dont want the whole scsi host to rescan because that blocks all disks for some seconds |
| 14:29.21 | themill | ma3x: it's a community effort, I think. if often has pretty good details though. |
| 14:29.30 | themill | somian[0]: re-read what dpkg told you. |
| 14:29.49 | jelly | slaq: google points to http://lwn.net/Articles/122449/ |
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| 14:30.01 | somian[0] | Seems the same as the first time i read it ;-) |
| 14:30.08 | zicho | themill: yes |
| 14:30.21 | somian[0] | Are you quite sure that YOU know what dpkg told me, themill? |
| 14:30.23 | stew | jorgp: well the big problem with testing for a desktop user is that often desktop related packages are removed from testing in order for larger transition to take place, so you need to be prepared to either do without some packages or backport the packages from unstable or safely install a few programs from unstable, which is why i say some familiarity with debian is needed |
| 14:30.31 | themill | somian[0]: yes |
| 14:30.36 | zicho | themill: but only rebooting the machine... how do i reload modules? |
| 14:30.36 | somian[0] | Bad 'tiude anyway dude. |
| 14:30.46 | slaq | jelly, i saw it but this is not a documentation by any means... |
| 14:30.54 | stew | somian[0]: what packages are you saying is missing? |
| 14:30.56 | somian[0] | So where's the mention of a Debian pkg in what dpkg is saying? |
| 14:31.05 | themill | !sux |
| 14:31.05 | dpkg | [sux] su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 14:31.09 | nareshov | Hi, I got a problem with xserver-xorg here: after having moved to unstable in a day I installed the nvidia-drivers. I can't get 640x480 and my screen is stuck at 1280x1024 (needed for games) |
| 14:31.11 | stew | !info sux etch |
| 14:31.14 | themill | how about the line "apt-get install sux! |
| 14:31.16 | dpkg | sux: (wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-3.2 (etch), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 14:31.20 | somian[0] | My advice: take a few weeks off this channel, IRC, themill, you are displaying burnout. |
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| 14:31.39 | slaq | jelly, and best of it, i dont have "logical_drive_created" in the path they mention there... |
| 14:31.44 | somian[0] | Perfectly reasonable questions / observations being answered snippily == burnout |
| 14:32.11 | somian[0] | "<dpkg> themill wants you to know: hmm... sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does" |
| 14:32.20 | jorgp | stew: oh ok, that makes sense |
| 14:32.25 | stew | somian[0]: i think you must me mis-interpreting something. the things that themill are telling you are both correct and not seeming snippy to me |
| 14:32.27 | somian[0] | Ahh, I see, buried in there. |
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| 14:32.40 | stew | somian[0]: in any case, if you don't like the advice he is giving you please just use /ignore and move on |
| 14:32.55 | somian[0] | It lost me when it started to go into the broader meanings ;-) |
| 14:33.02 | jelly | slaq: yeah, it's kinda old :-| |
| 14:33.03 | themill | somian[0]: We wouldn't be recommending things that are outside debian. And we don't thrown factoids at you without knowing what they contain. In fact I usually check them myself immediately before sending them. |
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| 14:33.25 | themill | somian[0]: I'll agree that the one on sux is badly written esp for non-native speakers and will rewrite it now. |
| 14:33.28 | stew | somian[0]: so perhaps you are the one with the burnout. you are having trouble reading and have shown you are having trouble remembering which os you are even running |
| 14:33.42 | themill | somian[0]: We do, however, expect people to read the info we provide carefully. |
| 14:33.44 | stew | themill: if you rewrite it, please s#apt-get#aptitude# |
| 14:33.49 | slaq | jelly, geesus.. this is a critical feature, it must be documented somewhere?! |
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| 14:34.08 | slaq | jelly, it's not like i'm asking how to drive some usb webcam |
| 14:34.11 | jelly | slaq: this is Linux, documentation is bad. |
| 14:34.18 | themill | stew: yep will do. I've been in that habit anyway when polishing factoids. |
| 14:34.25 | mylox | I know this is the wrong channel but maybe you guys can help. I didn't have much luck in the ubuntu channel. Can someone tell me how to view my current running services? Does ubuntu have a command similar to redhat's service command? |
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| 14:34.37 | stew | mylox: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 14:34.52 | jelly | slaq: in fact, you won't find anything useful even if you grep for rescan in /usr/src/linux/Documentation :-| |
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| 14:35.12 | zicho | how can i reload modules? |
| 14:35.24 | stew | zicho: modprobe -r modulename ; modprobe modulename |
| 14:35.39 | slaq | jelly, yea, i grepped for rescan, plug, swap .. nothing.. |
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| 14:35.56 | liable | mylox: are you serious that they cant tell you that? |
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| 14:37.33 | themill | !tell somian[0] about sux |
| 14:37.40 | themill | somian[0]: is that better? |
| 14:38.10 | liable | no, it sux |
| 14:38.13 | junix-other | where does the post-install script end up again? |
| 14:38.15 | dunk_ | I have some entries in /etc/hosts and would like to translate between hostname and ip in a script. how could I do it? |
| 14:38.23 | themill | !kill liable |
| 14:38.34 | zicho | stew: the module just gets uinloaded and not loaded |
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| 14:38.45 | zicho | and when i try modporbe again, nothing happens |
| 14:39.03 | jelly | liable: you gksudo! |
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| 14:39.56 | liable | jelly: dont swear at me like that! |
| 14:40.03 | themill | bloody australians.... |
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| 14:40.30 | somian[0] | Better, themill ;) |
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| 14:40.33 | jelly | liable: kawaii! kdesu! |
| 14:40.37 | dunk_ | is there a utility that I can call from a script to turn a hostname listed in my /etc/hosts into the ip in /etc/hosts? |
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| 14:40.53 | themill | somian[0]: good :) |
| 14:41.18 | DavidProck1981 | ok how can i cearch my hold hard drive for qmake.conf ? |
| 14:41.40 | themill | DavidProck1981: if it's a file that's been around for a while then locate, otherwise fine |
| 14:41.47 | themill | *find |
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| 14:42.47 | dunk_ | there must be a simple way to get an entry from /etc/hosts translated to the ip from a script? |
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| 14:43.22 | liable | jelly: thats even more abhorrant! |
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| 14:43.51 | themill | dunk_: are you looking for the command host? |
| 14:44.20 | liable | themill: how do you know i am a bloody strayan? |
| 14:44.33 | themill | long memory.... |
| 14:44.46 | liable | longer than mine obviously |
| 14:45.06 | jelly | themill: host does more than gethostbyname(), unfortunately |
| 14:45.51 | themill | liable: a few weeks ago you mentioned something about it being Sunday.... when in most of the world it was Saturday ;) You're in WA IIRC. Perth? |
| 14:46.06 | liable | yup |
| 14:46.22 | Ronin | themill: its almost always sunday here :) |
| 14:46.43 | liable | themill: we are behing in just about everything but time ;) |
| 14:46.49 | jelly | how do you figure he's bloody is the interesting part |
| 14:46.50 | liable | behind eben |
| 14:46.55 | liable | even even |
| 14:47.09 | DavidProck1981 | AAHAHHHH now its QMAKESPEC not set |
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| 14:47.29 | themill | DavidProck1981: laughing or crying? Couldn't tell. |
| 14:47.33 | stew | DavidProck1981: does whatever you are compiling not come with an INSTALL or a README with install isntructions? |
| 14:47.44 | DavidProck1981 | no |
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| 14:48.02 | liable | then you prolly shouldnt compile it |
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| 14:50.07 | jelly | Daveman: is it a Qt app? do you have all the necessary development packages installed? |
| 14:50.09 | liable | eclectic sheep is the wombats children? |
| 14:50.10 | jelly | errr |
| 14:50.16 | jelly | DavidProck1981: is it a Qt app? do you have all the necessary development packages installed? |
| 14:50.25 | liable | oops |
| 14:50.45 | themill | liable: nice passphrase |
| 14:50.49 | DavidProck1981 | im so confused, im tring to install cute-0.2.9 |
| 14:51.03 | jelly | cute. |
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| 14:51.15 | liable | haha |
| 14:51.26 | dunk_ | themill: not really, I am writing a script, and I have an antry, say finch.lan, that corresponds to a fake dns entry in myhosts file. I need to translate that *within* the context of the script (rather than passing the name, and letting the lookup occur) |
| 14:51.31 | liable | i cant even imagine what people would think of that comment |
| 14:51.37 | liable | but.. |
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| 14:52.13 | liable | i have a good enough reason |
| 14:52.14 | jelly | dunk_: 1. write a simple gethostbyname() wrapper. 2. ? 3. profit! |
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| 14:52.29 | themill | liable: well it's either a passphrase or you're also on a llama pron channel |
| 14:52.33 | bill_ | how do i increase the number of /dev/loop* devices available? |
| 14:52.54 | themill | dunk_: if it's just in /etc/hosts that you're looking, will grep and cut do it for you? |
| 14:53.13 | stew | dunk_: getent hosts finch.lan |
| 14:54.01 | themill | wow |
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| 14:55.52 | themill | bill_: http://www.linux.com/base/ldp/howto/CDServer-HOWTO/addloops.html |
| 14:55.54 | DavidProck1981 | I totaly dont understand how to sue Vim |
| 14:56.04 | DavidProck1981 | use |
| 14:56.05 | themill | DavidProck1981: try vimtutor |
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| 14:57.05 | liable | DavidProck1981: the three things you need to know are, hit 'i' to edit, hit shift ZZ to save and exit |
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| 14:57.37 | DavidProck1981 | ahh head ake |
| 14:57.38 | liable | i reserve the third |
| 14:57.38 | stew | DavidProck1981: if you don't like that one, try a different one, there are tons of editors to try in debian without having to resort to using one outside debian, try: aptitude search '~Peditor' |
| 14:58.28 | stew | bah, there are lots of editors that don't provide 'editor' |
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| 14:58.45 | RockerMONO | so i have a Pentium 1 with nothing but RAM and a floppy drive and i'm wondering if theirs a single-floppy way of booting into a full version of Bash? |
| 14:58.53 | themill | bill_: yep... "you can't get there from here". It's a bit odd. |
| 14:59.13 | bitprophet_ | RockerMONO: try Tom's RootBoot floppy, I think it's www.tomsrtbt.com, something like that |
| 14:59.19 | RockerMONO | ohh :D ok |
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| 14:59.38 | RockerMONO | nope |
| 15:00.15 | liable | RockerMONO: think of the environment and use a calculater for whatever you are thinking of using the p1 for |
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| 15:00.41 | RockerMONO | liable: pentium 1's are actually pretty good if you tweak them right |
| 15:00.48 | DavidProck1981 | ok i at least want something like winodws notepad, something like that at least |
| 15:00.50 | RockerMONO | liable: it was running windows XP Professional when i got it |
| 15:00.58 | RockerMONO | DavidProck1981: mousepad |
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| 15:01.34 | DavidProck1981 | that is not related to a desktop package , i want it to be totaly indepentit |
| 15:01.59 | RockerMONO | erm |
| 15:02.10 | RockerMONO | notepad2? |
| 15:02.19 | RockerMONO | dunno if it's open source |
| 15:02.25 | stew | DavidProck1981: try kate or gedit maybe? |
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| 15:03.40 | RockerMONO | bitprophet_: does it have the full version of Bash or some crap-pile 5-command crap? lol |
| 15:03.40 | DavidProck1981 | HELL no for me to instal Kate i got to install 67.6MB of KDE libs and shit NO |
| 15:03.42 | quoth | anyone know how I would sniff the first 50 packets of every new ftp connection using tcpdump? |
| 15:03.55 | bitprophet_ | RockerMONO: not sure, haven't used it in forever |
| 15:03.59 | RockerMONO | mk |
| 15:04.01 | bitprophet_ | define "full version of bash" |
| 15:04.02 | bitprophet_ | :) |
| 15:04.23 | bitprophet_ | a truly full shell environment with all your standard commands and e.g. vim or emacs and so on is _not_ going to fit on a floppy, I don't think :D |
| 15:04.53 | bitprophet_ | as someone who recently installed debian on a laptop via USB floppy I can sympathize, but I only needed enough to start the FTP installer :P |
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| 15:05.18 | RockerMONO | bitprophet_: this doesn't go online and has no hd :( |
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| 15:05.24 | RockerMONO | bitprophet_: so i want as much as i can get from it lol |
| 15:05.36 | RockerMONO | bitprophet_: and no boot-from-cd support either... |
| 15:05.39 | jelly | slaq: hmm, I was wrong, my first line was for rescanning the already existing device. echo '- - -' >> /sys/class/scsi_host/host1/scan is to rescan the whole bus. I _think_ something other than - - - would scan only that device, but I haven't tried. |
| 15:05.55 | infernixx | RockerMONO: all you can do is use a floppy to boot, then continue on an usb stick |
| 15:06.18 | infernixx | it'll be faster than the floppy, too |
| 15:06.26 | RockerMONO | infernix: um no. the normal boot floppy has a limited version of bash in it |
| 15:06.29 | infernixx | because a p1 probably does not boot off usb |
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| 15:06.39 | RockerMONO | infernix: and the own issue is that it doesn't have a usb port *at all* |
| 15:06.44 | RockerMONO | s/own/whole/ |
| 15:06.44 | RockerMONO | gr |
| 15:07.05 | infernixx | orly. i missed that. heh. |
| 15:07.07 | bahadunn | is it possible to have mail logs based on domain rather then one general mail log file? |
| 15:07.25 | RockerMONO | infernix: yea. once you get to the installer it has a prompt |
| 15:07.30 | RockerMONO | infernix: well, you can get to it |
| 15:07.59 | RockerMONO | infernix: it couldn't find the hd so i was like "screw it" and took it out while i was rebuilding the computer into a typewriter case =p |
| 15:08.23 | RockerMONO | infernix: once i get a dremel or somethin i can have it in the case w/ a top and everything |
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| 15:08.33 | infernixx | I recall that there was this guy who made multiple disks for a minimal base system that allows you to load a tmpfs from multiple floppies |
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| 15:09.16 | infernixx | assuming the thing has like 128mb, that would work |
| 15:09.23 | RockerMONO | 128MB of RAM? |
| 15:09.24 | RockerMONO | haha |
| 15:09.25 | RockerMONO | nope |
| 15:09.30 | RockerMONO | 614k i think |
| 15:09.33 | infernixx | might work with 64 |
| 15:09.41 | infernixx | a p1 with only 640k? thats not possible |
| 15:09.45 | RockerMONO | um |
| 15:09.49 | RockerMONO | it says 640k |
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| 15:09.58 | jelly | unlikely |
| 15:10.03 | infernixx | there are no ram sticks, simm or dimm, in 640k quantities |
| 15:10.04 | RockerMONO | it has swap too but i dont see where at cuz theirs no hd |
| 15:10.12 | themill | RockerMONO: didn't you say that it had xp on it? |
| 15:10.16 | DavidProck1981 | can someone see if they can getthis to install http://cute.sourceforge.net/downloads.html |
| 15:10.24 | infernixx | in the extremely unlikely event that it has only one 1MB SIMM, forget all about it |
| 15:10.47 | RockerMONO | themill: that was with a 1GB swap drive heh |
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| 15:11.15 | RockerMONO | themill: it ran fine but was slow as hell and kept complaining about swap space and such |
| 15:11.20 | infernixx | anyway get the facts straight first |
| 15:11.24 | infernixx | it can't have 640kb |
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| 15:11.35 | RockerMONO | infernix: mk well that's what it says, i dunno |
| 15:11.52 | RockerMONO | i thought it kinda weird also considering it has 2 sticks of RAM in it |
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| 15:12.10 | themill | RockerMONO: the bios boot screen might tell you about the first 640k but in setup there will probably be more. XP would never run with that little no matter how much vm you threw at it. |
| 15:12.17 | jelly | RockerMONO: My Computer properties in XP should show you the amount of RAM |
| 15:12.32 | RockerMONO | jelly: yea but the main hd went spazzo and died |
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| 15:12.48 | RockerMONO | jelly: then i used the 2nd [unplugged] hd that had win95 on it and the boot drive for that died -_- |
| 15:13.02 | RockerMONO | jelly: their were 2 hds hooked up and 2 laying down duct taped to the bottom |
| 15:13.08 | jelly | RockerMONO: well, boot something like memtest86+ from a cd or floppy then |
| 15:13.21 | RockerMONO | jelly: cant boot from a cd, remember? =p |
| 15:14.12 | dunk_ | stew: thanks man, that is perfect |
| 15:14.24 | pickcoder | RockerMONO: duct tape? |
| 15:14.51 | RockerMONO | pickcoder: yea... they duct taped the original hds to the bottom of the case -_- |
| 15:15.00 | RockerMONO | and had new ones in there running XP |
| 15:15.05 | pickcoder | nice insulation there |
| 15:15.18 | pickcoder | surprised they haven't died yet |
| 15:15.26 | RockerMONO | ...they did |
| 15:15.30 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 15:15.45 | RockerMONO | the ones hooked up right died first though which is kinda weird since they were newer |
| 15:15.56 | infernixx | RockerMONO: remove the dimms and look what it says on the chips |
| 15:16.06 | infernixx | or simms, probably |
| 15:16.09 | themill | DavidProck1981: you're not going to like this. to get it compiling: qmake cute.pro && make |
| 15:16.21 | infernixx | i am betting its 2x32mb |
| 15:16.23 | themill | DavidProck1981: but there appears to be some files missing... |
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| 15:16.34 | jelly | RockerMONO: no support for booting from CD in BIOS? |
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| 15:16.58 | RockerMONO | infernix: 16MB each, so 32MB |
| 15:17.02 | RockerMONO | jelly: no, it's 12 years old lol |
| 15:17.32 | jelly | RockerMONO: ISTR my first PC, a P1/133 was able to boot from CD. It could be the CD must have an 1.44 ElTorito floppy image (that 2.88 doesn't work) |
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| 15:17.46 | RockerMONO | hm... well the CD drive isn't even listed |
| 15:17.53 | pickcoder | RockerMONO: pick up an EIDE controller |
| 15:18.05 | DavidProck1981 | themill, well did u look at the screen shots |
| 15:18.06 | pickcoder | most have boot BIOS and you can boot from a CD |
| 15:18.07 | RockerMONO | pickcoder: ? |
| 15:18.20 | RockerMONO | EIDE? |
| 15:18.40 | infernixx | RockerMONO: is the machine networked? |
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| 15:18.48 | pickcoder | Ultra-ATA |
| 15:18.51 | RockerMONO | infernix: no... nothing to network it with |
| 15:18.55 | alex_ | DavidProck1981, please for all thats mighty- RTFM or a book or google.com |
| 15:19.03 | jelly | RockerMONO: can you boot from a floppy? |
| 15:19.04 | RockerMONO | infernix: not even a dialup modem |
| 15:19.21 | infernixx | RockerMONO: and what's it supposed to do, or are you just experimenting |
| 15:19.37 | RockerMONO | jelly: yea, that's what i've been doing, but it's very limited stuff and i'm just trying to see what i can do w/ it |
| 15:19.41 | RockerMONO | infernix: experimenting :) |
| 15:20.06 | RockerMONO | infernix: otherwise i wouldn't have it duct taped to the inside of an old typewriter case :) |
| 15:20.15 | stew | alex_: which manual do you think he should be reading? |
| 15:21.24 | infernixx | RockerMONO: some fun things to try would be PXE netboot with a floppy (but you can't), use multiple floppies and tmpfs (use a 2.4 kernel, 16MB tmpfs, 16MB ram) to get the thing running, and various one-floppy distros |
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| 15:21.36 | infernixx | but 32mb RAM and no usb or disk storage is extremely limiting |
| 15:21.56 | RockerMONO | infernix: yea that's why i've been stuck on what to try |
| 15:21.58 | infernixx | just one USB stick would get you much further. maybe pick up an usb controller |
| 15:22.01 | jelly | RockerMONO: grab a P2 or P3 from someone's trash instead, and a working IDE disk! |
| 15:22.18 | RockerMONO | jelly: where do you think THIS computer came form? |
| 15:22.19 | RockerMONO | *from |
| 15:22.20 | RockerMONO | :) |
| 15:22.28 | jelly | RockerMONO: dig some more |
| 15:22.31 | RockerMONO | lol |
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| 15:22.47 | themill | DavidProck1981: it looks nice, but it also looks like a dead project. It's not released any files since 2005. |
| 15:22.56 | RockerMONO | jelly: they gave me 2 computers, they dont have any more spares, and nobody else wants to give me anything except a PSU or a /broken/ floppy drive |
| 15:23.02 | themill | DavidProck1981: It also wants python 2.2 |
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| 15:23.12 | alex_ | stew, the debian for dummies handbook |
| 15:23.28 | leOn | can anyone tell me why isn't there a /usr/include/linux/config.h on the 2.6.22 linux-headers package ? |
| 15:23.34 | alex_ | or the debian please wipe my ass after i flush book |
| 15:23.59 | stew | alex_: ? |
| 15:24.04 | stew | alex_: can you please try to keep it constructive? |
| 15:24.05 | alex_ | nvm |
| 15:24.08 | themill | alex_: that's not really fair. |
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| 15:24.22 | alex_ | its ok, im in a bad mood today |
| 15:24.27 | alex_ | my apoliges |
| 15:24.44 | RockerMONO | :D |
| 15:24.49 | snowbird | do i kneed dchp? |
| 15:24.57 | DavidProck1981 | themill, now that you kind of got an idea what im looking for can you help me find something |
| 15:25.07 | themill | DavidProck1981: it's also written in pretty old c++ that won't compile under modern compilers.... |
| 15:25.32 | pickcoder | RockerMONO: have you checked for updated BIOS? |
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| 15:25.45 | streuner | snowbird: no |
| 15:25.51 | RockerMONO | pickcoder: how can you update BIOS?.... |
| 15:26.10 | streuner | snowbird: if you have to ask, prolly NOT |
| 15:26.15 | alex_ | is there a debian channel for the more capible? |
| 15:26.20 | pickcoder | many of the older ones are EEPROMs |
| 15:26.22 | RockerMONO | brb |
| 15:26.26 | pickcoder | what make/model is the mainboard? |
| 15:26.29 | RockerMONO | pickcoder: no idea |
| 15:26.31 | stew | alex_: what is it you need help with? |
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| 15:26.35 | snowbird | ok streuner iam working on firstarter it said to configure i need dhcp |
| 15:26.43 | alex_ | stew, no help |
| 15:26.44 | themill | DavidProck1981: what you are looking for is a gui editor that can do multiple files, is cross-platform and doesn't depend on a heavy widget set? |
| 15:26.57 | alex_ | stew, just a channel im looking for |
| 15:26.58 | themill | DavidProck1981: and is simpler than vim |
| 15:27.09 | stew | alex_: what are you trying to do? |
| 15:27.09 | DavidProck1981 | ya |
| 15:27.13 | alex_ | steve, want to start one? |
| 15:27.26 | alex_ | #debian-pros? |
| 15:27.45 | themill | DavidProck1981: *nothing* is going to meet those criteria. |
| 15:27.54 | DavidProck1981 | and not needing a desktop enviroment like kde or gnome |
| 15:27.54 | leOn | or should i ask ... shouldn't there be a /usr/include/linux/config.h in the linux-libc-dev package? |
| 15:27.59 | jelly | alex_: what's wrong with this channel? |
| 15:28.11 | liable | snowbird: you dont need firestarter, and yes, you do need dhcp if you dont set a static ip |
| 15:28.15 | alex_ | jelly, nothing, it fine |
| 15:28.27 | themill | DavidProck1981: if it's cross-platform, it's going to require it's own widget set like kde, gnome or wx. |
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| 15:29.09 | streuner | leOn: what are you trying to do? |
| 15:29.44 | Siddharta | hello everybody |
| 15:30.01 | leOn | streuner: build some modules, like ivtv and lirc |
| 15:30.20 | Siddharta | since i installed debian etch 2 days ago i find the sound is very low |
| 15:30.43 | Siddharta | it is normal with kmix at 100% |
| 15:30.46 | ^NaTacHa^ | it's prolly ur puter ... |
| 15:31.06 | streuner | leOn: do you have build-essential and kernel-headers installed? |
| 15:31.08 | stew | Siddharta: run alsamixer and make sure both "master" and "pcm" are both raised |
| 15:31.22 | Siddharta | ok stew |
| 15:31.37 | leOn | streuner: strangely is shows up in kernel-headers for 2.6.21 |
| 15:32.08 | themill | le0n: if you are building modules, then you should have the kernel-headers- for your kernel installed |
| 15:32.16 | leOn | i have |
| 15:32.23 | DavidProck1981 | themill, i want one with a lite gui, and is indepent from kde, gnome,xfce4 ect. |
| 15:32.27 | antgel_ | beardy: ping |
| 15:32.40 | streuner | !seen beardy |
| 15:32.40 | dpkg | beardy is currently on #debian, last said: 'Are you a troll?'. |
| 15:32.41 | Pixer | Saw beardy On #debian as of Wed Aug 8 11:33:12 2007 |
| 15:32.53 | leOn | linux/config.h doesn't show up on any 2.6.22 related package |
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| 15:33.41 | liable | Pixer: who owns you? |
| 15:33.45 | jelly | DavidProck1981: leafpad? |
| 15:33.57 | DavidProck1981 | let me check it oiut |
| 15:34.36 | themill | DavidProck1981: but how is it going to be independent of a widget set and also run on multiple platforms? If it's independent of one of those widget sets, then it can only use the basic X or win32 calls which limits it to one platform. leafpad requires gtk. |
| 15:34.37 | stew | Pixer: please turn the script off that is replying to "!seen" |
| 15:34.44 | streuner | !seen beardy |
| 15:34.44 | dpkg | beardy is currently on #debian, last said: 'Are you a troll?'. |
| 15:34.44 | Pixer | Saw beardy On #debian as of Wed Aug 8 11:33:12 2007 |
| 15:34.55 | stew | streuner: please /msg the bot |
| 15:35.09 | Siddharta | stew: it the sound is a little more loudy now but it is not so powerful as in ubuntu live cd |
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| 15:35.25 | DavidProck1981 | gtk is ok with me |
| 15:35.25 | streuner | stew: [ ] you unterstood the test |
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| 15:36.01 | stew | streuner: please stop testing this |
| 15:36.10 | Siddharta | yeah i went on the 2 channel and raise the bar at their maximimum |
| 15:36.16 | themill | Siddharta: what kernel are you using and what chipset do you have? |
| 15:36.31 | jelly | DavidProck1981: mousepad uses xfce libs, but those are not huge |
| 15:36.37 | stew | Siddharta: how are you trying to play sound? |
| 15:36.48 | twiggz | using lenny/sid here marvelously. |
| 15:36.59 | twiggz | its the shizzle. |
| 15:37.28 | liable | must be plural if its both |
| 15:37.33 | liable | shizzles |
| 15:37.50 | antgel_ | no, shizzle is an adjective |
| 15:37.50 | jelly | liable: lenny/sid is a single thing. |
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| 15:38.01 | stew | antgel_: it shouldn't have an article in front of it then |
| 15:38.10 | liable | jelly: dont be silly |
| 15:38.13 | DavidProck1981 | jelly leafpad is good, but would also like one what uses colors and such when u look at a c++ file |
| 15:38.46 | sophacles | hi all. interesting problem with etch/iceweasle on arch amd64 |
| 15:38.48 | antgel_ | stew: i guess, when the rules of the language break, all behaviour is undefined |
| 15:38.53 | Siddharta | i 'm playing amarok with ogg music |
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| 15:39.06 | DavidProck1981 | brb |
| 15:39.10 | themill | Siddharta: do you have the volume in Amarok turned up too? |
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| 15:39.44 | Siddharta | then i went to the alsamixer console and put the pcm and fron at 100% |
| 15:39.48 | themill | Siddharta: you might do better with using aplay from the command line for testing. |
| 15:39.59 | stew | Siddharta: can you put the output of amixer into a pastebin? (/msg dpkg pastebin). you might consider comparing the output of amixer from both debian and the livecd to see what is different |
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| 15:40.15 | stew | Siddharta: (amixer is basically a text dump of the settings from alsamixer) |
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| 15:40.36 | themill | Siddharta: also, please tell us uname -r ; lspci|grep Audio |
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| 15:40.40 | jelly | is there a way to turn the volume down on a single alsa app (that doesn't have its own software volume)? |
| 15:40.40 | sophacles | i cant log into my bank using iceweasle (64 bit version, havent set up chroot yet) but i can log in just fine using konquerer. Talking with hte bank's tech dept they had me make sure some privacy settings were right for firefox, and they were. they suggested that maybe its something in the way ssl is handled. does anyone know anything about such a bug? (oh btw, useragent was changed to say Firefox insteat of iceweasle just to check) |
| 15:40.57 | themill | jelly: no. that's what phonon is about for KDE4 though |
| 15:41.24 | liable | sophacles: try #debian-amd64 |
| 15:41.32 | jelly | themill: oh noes, yet another software mixer / sound API. |
| 15:41.40 | liable | sophacles: its slow, so if no answer ask the 64 mailing list |
| 15:41.55 | jelly | themill: but Vista can do it! :-) |
| 15:41.56 | sophacles | liable: will do. thanks |
| 15:42.04 | Siddharta | 2.6.21-2-686 |
| 15:42.08 | stew | jelly: perhaps through some .asnoundrc magic. |
| 15:42.24 | themill | jelly: it's getting rid of arts and it will use xine or gstreamer or whatever as the backend. |
| 15:42.27 | stew | jelly: err .asoundrc |
| 15:42.27 | Siddharta | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 15:42.44 | themill | Siddharta: intel hda stuff is a fast moving target. |
| 15:42.45 | liable | i would rather go deaf than play with asoundrc |
| 15:42.59 | stew | liable: "hear hear" |
| 15:43.00 | liable | ich7 is old |
| 15:43.21 | liable | stew: what? |
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| 15:43.36 | liable | ;) |
| 15:43.49 | themill | but snd_hda_intel is evolving rapidly. |
| 15:43.59 | stew | liable: 'hear hear' is an expression that wuold have the effect of my showing agreement with what you are saying, but in this case is pun-ish |
| 15:44.11 | antgel | stew: he out-joked you |
| 15:44.13 | liable | stew: note the delayed ;) |
| 15:44.17 | stew | bah |
| 15:44.18 | p0g0_ | liable: get that wombat out of your ear, you'll be able to hear much better. |
| 15:44.23 | themill | stew: he's australian not american. he understands jokes ;) |
| 15:44.27 | jelly | you puny person! |
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| 15:44.51 | antgel | liable: get that barbie out of your ear |
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| 15:45.36 | Siddharta | http://rafb.net/p/rtgEtW97.html here is the amixer output |
| 15:45.48 | liable | i am gonna have to get some serious ear cleaning thing according to what i dont hear here |
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| 15:45.55 | jelly | !moo |
| 15:45.55 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 15:46.05 | RockerMONO | grrr |
| 15:46.07 | RockerMONO | damn router |
| 15:46.14 | ericP | if i get "Failed to fetch http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/dists/sid/non-free/source/SourcesIndex MD5Sum mismatch", am i supposed to do someting with /var/lib/apt/lists/debian.lcs.mit.edu_debian_dists_sid_non-free_source_Sources.IndexDiff ? |
| 15:46.19 | RockerMONO | my router took a kamakaze jump to the floor from on top of a shelf =p |
| 15:46.34 | antgel | ericP: post sources.list |
| 15:46.41 | antgel | !tell ericP about paste |
| 15:46.56 | themill | Siddharta: I think you'll find that ubuntu is using a newer version of alsa. Are you using etch? |
| 15:47.42 | h3sp4wn | Siddharta: If you want you can build a newer alsa-driver (take the alsa-source .deb from unstable) build with module-assistant |
| 15:47.42 | Siddharta | themill: yes i'm using etch |
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| 15:48.17 | Siddharta | is there a backport for newer alsa |
| 15:48.27 | jelly | Siddharta: using a newer kernel might be good for your sound. My intel-hda on board an ATI SB600 mb behaves better with 2.6.22. |
| 15:48.38 | sophacles | RockerMONO: did it nearly or actually take out another box with this jump, if not i believe it would have been more of a seppuku or hari-kari jump :) |
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| 15:49.03 | RockerMONO | sophacles: it took my BASIC Stamp2 to the floor with it |
| 15:49.13 | sophacles | ahh |
| 15:49.23 | RockerMONO | grr |
| 15:49.32 | RockerMONO | it was creeping towards the edge again |
| 15:49.32 | h3sp4wn | Siddharta: you can very simply backport or just use the .deb to get alsa-driver 1.0.14 |
| 15:49.34 | Azar | nvidia blob not working with the 2.6.23rc1 |
| 15:49.41 | Siddharta | jelly the ubuntu live was running a 2.6.20 |
| 15:49.42 | RockerMONO | sophacles: i think the wire keeps getting caught on stuff haha |
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| 15:49.57 | liable | my ich8 works fine with .18 |
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| 15:50.09 | liable | i think i have ich8 |
| 15:50.10 | sophacles | RockerMONO: i had a similar problem for a while, but it turned out to be cat based |
| 15:50.12 | liable | lemme check |
| 15:50.31 | liable | ohno, ich7 |
| 15:50.33 | RockerMONO | sophacles: oh well i have no pets cuz yea my mom sucks |
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| 15:50.43 | jmoiron | is there a way to get autoconf to use CC for compilation but use a different compiler for the final linking step? |
| 15:50.49 | ericP | antgel, http://paste.debian.net/34224 |
| 15:51.42 | liable | jmoiron: what ? |
| 15:52.00 | ericP | antgel, (sorry, took a while for me to figure out that you wanted me to pastebin my sources.list and that the paste advisory was so that i wouldn't paste in channel. had been looking for some command like $(post sources.list) ) |
| 15:52.14 | liable | hah |
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| 15:52.37 | liable | we could really do with such a command |
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| 15:52.50 | liable | iirc gentoo has a paste script |
| 15:52.58 | liable | we should have it |
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| 15:54.01 | themill | Siddharta: the ubuntu live might have been using the old kernel but they might have had a newer alsa modules loaded into it. |
| 15:54.10 | antgel | ericP: are you experienced with debian? if not, i wouldn't recommend unstable. it might be a problem with the mirror, try another one. also, why do you have non-free in your deb-src, and not in your deb line for said mirror? |
| 15:54.13 | jmoiron | liable: i'm not sure the right way to do this; i have a (substantial) c program that must link against a single c++ library; g++ can link everything fine but gcc chokes on all the g++ namespace mangling and "extern C" doesn't seem to help(?) |
| 15:54.42 | jmoiron | (i wrote an interface to the c++ lib which i am using from the c code) |
| 15:54.47 | liable | jmoiron: try either ##c or #gcc |
| 15:54.53 | microtux | hi, my debian sarge doesn't detect the mouse |
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| 15:55.03 | jmoiron | i am trying in gcc; the gnu guys told me to check my distro channel too so i did |
| 15:55.11 | microtux | error message : /dev/input/mice no such deviace |
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| 15:55.31 | Azar | jmoiron: my bad I thought it was related to the system performance... |
| 15:55.31 | antgel | microtux: is the correct module inserted? you using a debian kernel image? |
| 15:55.57 | ericP | antgel, experienced enough (though you may differ). i frequently want latest kernels and wireless drivers and the like. been running sid for a couple years. |
| 15:56.04 | jmoiron | Azar: nope ^^; |
| 15:56.18 | jmoiron | ok thanks liable |
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| 15:56.41 | RockerMONO | bitprophet_: http://www.toms.net/rb/ :) |
| 15:56.53 | microtux | antgel, i'm using debian sarge, kernel 2.4 |
| 15:56.54 | Siddharta | h3sp4wn: i don't find the alsa-driver 1.0.14 with the command : aptitude -t etch-backports search alsa-driver |
| 15:57.01 | antgel | ericP: no, i'm just suprised that if you're running sid, you can't sort this out. anyway, try changing the mirror, and also if you were using apt-get update, try aptitude and vice versa |
| 15:57.11 | ericP | antgel, no good answer for the non-free deb-src. i can't think of any non-frees that i build from source off the top of my head |
| 15:57.13 | microtux | antgel, i don't know the module for mouse management |
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| 15:58.00 | ericP | antgel, sorted itself out. tx for your patience |
| 15:58.09 | antgel | microtux: so you didn't compile your kernel? i don't remember the module in 2.4, in 2.6 it's psmouse but may well be different. you know that sarge/2.4 is pretty old now? |
| 15:58.13 | liable | Siddharta: you dont generally find alsa source anymore in the repos. if you really have to , get it from alsa.org |
| 15:58.43 | Azar | liable: I see the new 2.4.35 kernel will not make it in sarge? |
| 15:58.44 | liable | mousedev? |
| 15:58.49 | microtux | antgel, i know, but i need to work with a 2.4 kernel , wich is not supported by etch |
| 15:58.50 | Siddharta | liable: yes i found alsa-source |
| 15:58.51 | bitprophet_ | RockerMONO: yea that was it :) sorry for the wrong url. hope it has what you're looking for XD |
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| 15:59.18 | Siddharta | so this is this one i have to aptitude install from backports |
| 15:59.22 | RockerMONO | bitprophet_: if it boots and has over 6 commands i'm happy =p |
| 15:59.39 | Hammar | why does connecting to my wireless home network via nm-applet require manually setting the interface's channel and restarting ipw3945d? |
| 15:59.41 | Azar | I guess debian rushed to ditch the 2.4 kernel way too fast |
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| 15:59.57 | liable | Azar: and so it shouldnt. its a consprircy to get you to actually keep up with debian releases |
| 16:00.07 | antgel | microtux: fair enough. there is no udev in 2.4, so make sure the module is inserted, and the relevant node in /dev is present. /dev/input/mice /may/ be 2.6 only, i'm not sure, you could try /dev/psaux for a ps2 mouse |
| 16:00.08 | Azar | liable: hahaha |
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| 16:00.37 | Azar | liable: oh well, I just hope I can move soon out of linux kernels.. |
| 16:00.41 | microtux | Azar, yes i think too |
| 16:00.47 | liable | Azar: why? |
| 16:00.54 | stew | microtux: modprobe mousedev |
| 16:01.00 | Azar | liable: trying to move to mach, Debian Hurd |
| 16:01.11 | antgel | hahahha |
| 16:01.12 | liable | Azar: why? |
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| 16:01.21 | RockerMONO | mk i obviously suck at what i'm doing... how do i extract a tar.gz file? :) |
| 16:01.28 | stew | RockerMONO: /msg dpkg tar |
| 16:01.32 | Azar | liable: to be more near Debian... :) |
| 16:01.43 | liable | Azar: explain |
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| 16:02.10 | cahoot_ | debian herd? |
| 16:02.18 | liable | thats us! |
| 16:02.26 | Azar | liable: I have the feeling that Debian Hurd is sticking more to the real Debian, while Debian Linux becomes something else.. |
| 16:02.30 | liable | !moo |
| 16:02.31 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 16:02.32 | RichiH | is there a setting for spam assasin to only learn from read email? |
| 16:02.41 | stew | Azar: "real Debian"? |
| 16:02.42 | petemc | sa-learn? |
| 16:02.48 | eltese | Hi.. Im running debian stable gnome on vmware and when I try to execute a sudo command I get this "eltese is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported" |
| 16:02.50 | petemc | RichiH: oh, ignroe me |
| 16:03.02 | stew | eltese: man sudoers ; man visudo |
| 16:03.12 | eltese | stew: ok |
| 16:03.43 | liable | Azar: why do you think linux is not real debian. it is still wholey and soley within the dsfg |
| 16:03.51 | h3sp4wn | Siddharta: I never said you would - get it from sid or do a simple sid backport - just getting the .deb would make zero difference to your etch though as its just a -source package |
| 16:04.06 | h3sp4wn | Siddharta: source package is alsa-driver /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 16:04.08 | liable | mind my spelling |
| 16:04.09 | Azar | liable: didn't want to say it: just another linux distro |
| 16:04.31 | liable | Azar: you seem confused |
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| 16:04.47 | mavhc | azar: ah, you don't want to use linux because it's too popular, the BSD reason |
| 16:04.52 | cahoot_ | there is a definite secteristic streak in thelinux community - much like the leftish movements in te 60's |
| 16:04.54 | Azar | liable: I guess so... maybe it is my fault I can't keep up with new releases.. |
| 16:05.27 | Azar | I am not able to gather strenghts to move to etch... |
| 16:05.43 | RockerMONO | bitprophet_: i run tons of commands, end up with directories 1 and 2, and files buildit.s and license.html - nothin useful =\ |
| 16:06.25 | liable | Azar: all distros are pretty much GNU distros, why get ansy about the kernel? the linux kernel is still a good wholesome kernel that you can feed to your children |
| 16:06.39 | liable | full of fibre and silly comments |
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| 16:06.41 | Azar | cahoot_: nothing political, just trying to find the distro that accomodates my tardiness |
| 16:07.31 | RockerMONO | bitprophet_: that failed horribly :( |
| 16:07.42 | liable | secteristic? |
| 16:08.04 | themill | Hammar: I don't have that problem here with ipw3945. My only problem is that when I come back from hibernate I need to modprobe -r ipw3945; modprobe ipw3945. |
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| 16:08.37 | Azar | cahoot_: woody syndrome.... nothing more..., if woody is no more I am looking for something else |
| 16:08.41 | liable | themill: dont be a girls blouse and use iwl already |
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| 16:08.49 | themill | yeah yeah |
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| 16:09.02 | themill | where's my nice debian package for it ;) |
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| 16:09.34 | RichiH | 18:09:14 Ignoring ALL from petemc |
| 16:09.48 | liable | themill: who cares about packages, its in the wireless-dev kernel and doesnt have the retarded daemon |
| 16:10.17 | liable | RichiH: who are you nodding at? |
| 16:11.08 | themill | liable: like I have time for wireless-dev kernels etc etc. I'm just happy to have my machine working and behaving. |
| 16:11.21 | petemc | RichiH: ? |
| 16:11.29 | petemc | oh, i said ignore me |
| 16:11.30 | petemc | :) |
| 16:11.39 | themill | liable: if I wanted that sort of hassle, I'd run gentoo not debian |
| 16:11.45 | liable | themill: bah, i have been using it for prolly three months, i am yabbering on it now |
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| 16:11.58 | RichiH | liable: myself |
| 16:12.00 | liable | themill: and no, its not difficult |
| 16:12.03 | microtux | antgel, thank you, it works |
| 16:12.13 | h3sp4wn | themill: You can build it out of tree if you are using 2.6.22 |
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| 16:12.16 | h3sp4wn | at least |
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| 16:12.45 | slump | there's a way to boot under system with the install cd? |
| 16:12.58 | slump | like, boot the cd and them root=/dev/sda3 ? |
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| 16:13.10 | liable | themill: live on the wild side baby |
| 16:13.12 | psyched | how do I "pushd ./" and then "popd" across different terminal session ? |
| 16:13.24 | psyched | anyway to do this ? |
| 16:13.38 | psyched | this seems to be an inherent limitation in pushd. :( |
| 16:13.56 | themill | h3sp4wn, liable: when something's broken and I want newer and shinier then I will. I've recently had to rebuild too many machines too many times and I'm just happy to have a working machine for a period of time. |
| 16:14.15 | Siddharta | thank you all for your advice |
| 16:15.06 | liable | themill: you do have to agree that the daemon is teh tard though |
| 16:15.42 | themill | psyched: the different terminals are not linked in any way. You would have to write some comms layer if you wanted to do that.... alias pushd to write pwd to a file and then alias popd to get it out of the file.... |
| 16:15.50 | RichiH | 429064 is still open? narf! |
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| 16:16.14 | RichiH | any idea if installing the packages involved actually breaks all kernel builds? |
| 16:16.18 | themill | liable: it's a dumb idea although it still exists with iwl just in firmware instead. I don't have any technical problems with the daemon. |
| 16:16.22 | liable | !dbugs 29064 |
| 16:16.25 | dpkg | #:N[] ; |
| 16:16.32 | psyched | themill, thanks dude |
| 16:16.33 | liable | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 16:16.33 | dpkg | no, stupid liable |
| 16:16.33 | psyched | :) |
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| 16:16.51 | RichiH | 429064 is a perfect example of 'oh noes, it is not my bug, it is your bug' |
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| 16:17.18 | antgel | good bug that, lots of cock-waving |
| 16:17.19 | psyched | themill, but pushd wouldn't accept a file |
| 16:17.19 | slump | there's a way to use the install cdrom to boot in a installed system? |
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| 16:17.53 | themill | psyched: you'll have to write your own pushd function |
| 16:18.08 | antgel | chest-beating |
| 16:18.10 | eltese | what command shall I use for visudo? (obviously sudo doesnt work) :p |
| 16:18.14 | liable | themill: true, but its still a shit solution to something that should have never happened |
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| 16:18.18 | RockerMONO | how do you open Zip files in Debian? |
| 16:18.26 | psyched | themill, if only pushd accepted a file name, i could alias it off |
| 16:18.26 | liable | with unzip |
| 16:18.28 | psyched | :/ |
| 16:18.42 | psyched | themill, then popd that file as well |
| 16:18.50 | liable | slump: as a rescue cd? |
| 16:18.55 | antgel | RockerMONO: FGI |
| 16:19.02 | themill | psyched: yep. afraid so. |
| 16:19.02 | RichiH | antgel: you mean 429064? |
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| 16:19.15 | RockerMONO | antgel: ? |
| 16:19.15 | antgel | *nod* |
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| 16:19.21 | eltese | What command do you use for visudo? i wanna edit my sudoers file so I can sudo ;p |
| 16:19.27 | antgel | RockerMONO: /msg dpkg fgi |
| 16:19.27 | RichiH | antgel: yah, it is pretty ridiculous |
| 16:19.35 | RichiH | or however you spell that :p |
| 16:19.37 | themill | eltese: umm... I uses visudo.... |
| 16:19.42 | liable | eltese: strangely, visudo |
| 16:19.44 | themill | that bug is fantastic |
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| 16:19.54 | Hammar | themill: i havent checked hibernation yet, but i guess reloading the module is what (among others) /etc/init.d/ipw3945d restart does |
| 16:19.58 | antgel | RichiH: it's y/e/ah :) |
| 16:20.01 | eltese | it says command not found? |
| 16:20.07 | eltese | I tried it first ;p |
| 16:20.20 | antgel | eltese: use your head ffs, install it |
| 16:20.24 | KOC | My bash is doing strange autocomplete things - when I type "ssh " or "ftp " or "sftp " and hit TAB, it pops up "|1|". What the heck is that for? |
| 16:20.29 | liable | eltese: do you have sudo installed? |
| 16:20.32 | antgel | eltese: shit, not for you, apologies :) |
| 16:20.45 | liable | no prolly correct |
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| 16:20.48 | eltese | antgel: no worries, I deserv it :) Im new to linux |
| 16:20.54 | cahoot_ | eltese: as root |
| 16:20.58 | liable | n00b |
| 16:21.06 | liable | ;) |
| 16:21.07 | slump | liable: yeah |
| 16:21.11 | antgel | as a coincidence, eltese, you may roll in the abuse :) |
| 16:21.12 | slump | liable: i didn't find one option |
| 16:21.20 | eltese | :D |
| 16:21.21 | slump | to just boot using the cdrom kernel |
| 16:21.26 | slump | and them use my userland. |
| 16:21.32 | liable | slump: it has a rescue option |
| 16:21.33 | slump | there's a way to do this? |
| 16:21.40 | slump | yeap, i tried to use that |
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| 16:21.41 | themill | Hammar: I can connect/disconnect any number of times without problems to a number of wireless networks. and the init script only restarts the daemon without touching the module. modprobe/modprobe -r both loads the module and starts/stops the daemon. |
| 16:21.43 | antgel | !tell slump about enter |
| 16:21.50 | psyched | themill, thanks |
| 16:21.55 | antgel | themill: ooh, look at you! |
| 16:21.57 | slump | antgel: k |
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| 16:22.09 | themill | antgel: ? |
| 16:22.29 | liable | !beat antgel |
| 16:22.34 | liable | there ya go |
| 16:22.36 | slump | liable: so, i used the rescue option, gain shell, chroot inside my partition and tried to run grub-install, but it says that cannot read my grub/stage1 |
| 16:22.39 | themill | ta |
| 16:23.10 | liable | slump: it has a grub rescue thingo to iirc |
| 16:23.17 | stew | slump: you need to make sure you either have a populated /dev or you mount --bind /dev /target/dev before you chroot, then "mount /proc" after you chroot |
| 16:23.24 | liable | slump: if that fails then you have some broken shit |
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| 16:25.51 | slump | liable: i tried that too, same error. |
| 16:26.11 | slump | yeah, i think the stage1 file is corrupted. |
| 16:26.39 | liable | slump: chroot and try reinstalling grub |
| 16:27.15 | slump | liable: this is what i say. even running the rescue install grub or chrooting in my partition and trying grub-install /dev/sda, i get the same message about stage1 file |
| 16:27.29 | liable | but its prolly going to be impossible to fix, and you should go drink beer now |
| 16:27.37 | slump | it has the same size as my computer here, but i don't understand why it can't read the stage1 file |
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| 16:28.11 | liable | slump: reinstall grub, not with grub-install.. i mean the package with dpkg |
| 16:28.46 | slump | i tried copying the grub package from the cdrom to my chroot partition, dpkg -i it, but got some errors... |
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| 16:28.58 | liable | if that fails, then i dunno, cause i am going to bed very soon |
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| 16:29.22 | erfaan | how can i login as root in graphical mode ? |
| 16:29.32 | liable | why? |
| 16:29.45 | harlekin | What do you mean by graphical ode? |
| 16:30.24 | liable | we cant tell you that, because its bad for debians health |
| 16:30.24 | liable | harlekin: startx as root |
| 16:30.34 | twiggz | why would you want to do that anyway> |
| 16:30.37 | twiggz | ? |
| 16:30.38 | erfaan | liable,i need it , please ! |
| 16:30.47 | twiggz | no you dont. |
| 16:31.03 | liable | erfaan: tell us why and we can tell you how to not do it |
| 16:31.05 | Ronin | erfaan: what are you trying to do? other then log onto x as root |
| 16:31.10 | twiggz | thats generally a retarded idea. |
| 16:31.18 | twiggz | to login to x as root. |
| 16:31.22 | twiggz | or to irc as root |
| 16:31.24 | twiggz | etc |
| 16:32.17 | erfaan | if login as root from a user of debian is bad for health of debian , really i sorry for it |
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| 16:32.34 | Ronin | erfaan: why not just tell us what you are trying to do? |
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| 16:32.54 | liable | erfaan: no, really, tell us what you need to do and we can try and give you a better way |
| 16:33.16 | erfaan | i want to have all permissions ! |
| 16:33.25 | Ronin | erfaan: you dont need them |
| 16:33.38 | Xoris | erfaan: you have them, unless you just forgot your password. |
| 16:33.41 | liable | erfaan: to do what? |
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| 16:33.47 | Ronin | but to do what? |
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| 16:35.25 | themill | erfaan: are you using gdm? |
| 16:35.26 | liable | laters |
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| 16:35.32 | themill | ciao |
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| 16:35.57 | erfaan | themill,i do that , but i dont remember your help |
| 16:36.12 | themill | ? |
| 16:36.19 | liable | !confuse erfaan |
| 16:36.19 | dpkg | No, where is their gouda today, erfaan? wellies of the democracy of tibet with extra herring |
| 16:36.54 | erfaan | liable,thanks |
| 16:37.00 | RockerMONO | damn why is it so hard a single-floppy distro of Linux with Bash? come onnnn |
| 16:37.07 | liable | not that you needed it.. |
| 16:37.18 | Ronin | erfaan: is there a reason why you just wont tell us what you are trying to do that you feel you have to be logged onto x as root? |
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| 16:37.43 | p0g0_ | RockerMONO: viz: YARD & make your own. |
| 16:37.49 | erfaan | Ronin,i said |
| 16:37.55 | themill | !gdm root login |
| 16:37.55 | dpkg | You don't need to log in to X to run graphical commands as root. You should use sux or gksu instead. If you just can't be told then ask me about <gdm root login for idiots> |
| 16:38.03 | RockerMONO | p0g0_: no idea how... |
| 16:38.04 | themill | !gdm root login for idiots |
| 16:38.04 | dpkg | Edit the file /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf to enable root login through gdm. But remember, it's against our best advice, we won't help you unbreak your box should you do so later and you really should be using either sux or gksu anyway. |
| 16:38.09 | Ronin | erfaan: you said you want all perms, you don't need that, im guessin you want to install something? |
| 16:38.12 | liable | erfaan: no, why do you need root priveledges in x? |
| 16:38.13 | themill | erfaan ^^ |
| 16:38.24 | themill | erfaan: and not what the factoids are called too |
| 16:38.32 | p0g0_ | RockerMONO: it's easy & documented. rtm & you'll be be OK. |
| 16:38.43 | slump | liable: when i try to reinstall grub, it give me some depends, cdebconf-udeb, kernel-installer, created-fstab, dir-utils, dir-utils-mapdevfs, os-prober, partman-utils |
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| 16:38.47 | RockerMONO | p0g0_: alright |
| 16:38.49 | erfaan | Ronin,understand me ! |
| 16:39.03 | Ronin | erfaan: then help us understand what you are trying to do |
| 16:39.13 | p0g0_ | RockerMONO: http://www.linuxlots.com/~fawcett/yard/ |
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| 16:39.23 | harlekin | erfaan: startx as user and use sudo. That would be a first step to have control in a more safe manner than logging onto x as root. |
| 16:39.27 | liable | slump: eh, this is a debootstrap install or something? |
| 16:39.33 | stew | RockerMONO: it would probably be hard. /bin/bash is 750k and that doesn't include the shared libs it would be looking for, and then you need a kernel |
| 16:39.58 | erfaan | Ronin,forget it , i installed kde desktop , and i want to remove gnome , and all gnome packages now , what should i do? |
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| 16:40.06 | RockerMONO | stew: note that most of them have everything in a tgz :) |
| 16:40.58 | pikko | Hi, could someone help on debian start scripts? |
| 16:41.10 | themill | !tell erfaan about remove gnome |
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| 16:42.11 | pikko | Or, is anyone else here, who know better way of setting init than sysvinit? Or at least some other way than update-rc.d |
| 16:42.17 | stew | RockerMONO: gzip -c /bin/bash | wc -c -> 367455 ; still pretty big |
| 16:42.21 | tim_flatus | pikko, it's statistically likely |
| 16:42.33 | pikko | tim_flatus: sorry? |
| 16:42.34 | RockerMONO | stew: hmmm well, dunno, we'll see |
| 16:42.51 | jelly | pikko: like, an easier way than update-rc.d, or a more powerful way? |
| 16:42.53 | tim_flatus | pikko, update-rc.d is good |
| 16:43.08 | stew | pikko: or are you looking for a completely different init system? |
| 16:43.13 | pikko | jelly: more powerful way |
| 16:43.21 | pickcoder | pikko: sysv-rc-conf |
| 16:43.23 | stew | pikko: powerful in what way? |
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| 16:43.39 | h3sp4wn | pikko: file-rc is quite nice |
| 16:43.43 | pikko | stew: perhaps, I tried initng, but it was problematic and turned my CPU to 100 % after a while |
| 16:43.53 | jelly | pikko: what features are you missing in sysvinit? |
| 16:44.06 | tim_flatus | pikko GNOME menu -> Administration -> Services |
| 16:44.19 | tim_flatus | it has a name I'm sure |
| 16:44.24 | stew | h3sp4wn: but it would stillb e using update-rc.d which is what he's objecting to |
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| 16:44.40 | stew | pikko: what power is update-rc.d lacking? |
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| 16:44.43 | h3sp4wn | stew: You can just edit it in vi |
| 16:45.04 | yos87 | Hi, how can I increase the terminal history? |
| 16:45.06 | liable | thats so old scholl dude |
| 16:45.12 | h3sp4wn | stew: /etc/runlevel.conf |
| 16:45.14 | pikko | stew: jelly Well, Well, I would like to have some system that keeps its install scripts and ust to tell whether or not use it. Then I would like to see which services must be loaded before others. |
| 16:45.25 | snowbird | liable |
| 16:45.29 | liable | snowbird: |
| 16:46.06 | pikko | tim_flatus: Gnome GUI tools is not what I would like to use for init scripts |
| 16:46.08 | snowbird | on my box dchp wont start on boot upand alow firestart to get lan |
| 16:46.30 | liable | snowbird: remove firestarter |
| 16:46.31 | snowbird | i have idea nike reinstall iptable would that help? |
| 16:46.33 | jelly | pikko: hm. You can already have install scripts but not use them with sysvinit, just remove the start links. As for dependencies, that's being worked on AFAIK |
| 16:46.34 | pikko | pickcoder: h3sp4wn I will try your tools in a second |
| 16:46.47 | snowbird | ok il do that remove it and then what? |
| 16:46.58 | liable | snowbird: then be happy |
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| 16:47.02 | tim_flatus | pikko, just testing ;) |
| 16:47.14 | snowbird | ok laible then how i open ports? |
| 16:47.22 | tim_flatus | pikko, I don't think anyone has written the app you want |
| 16:47.25 | pikko | jelly: well, I read that it is recomended not to reveit, but just reame |
| 16:47.45 | liable | snowbird: just dont worry about firewalls at all |
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| 16:47.57 | liable | !open ports |
| 16:47.57 | dpkg | somebody said open ports was # netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or ask me about <open files>, or fuser -n tcp <portnumber> |
| 16:48.16 | liable | !closed ports |
| 16:48.17 | pikko | tim_flatus: I can change my opinion if there will be somehing that I find clear, relable |
| 16:48.18 | snowbird | ok liable how i do open ports then in ip tables i have to uninstall that? |
| 16:48.18 | snowbird | and then what |
| 16:48.19 | jelly | pikko: well, if you remove some /etc/rc2.d/S* link, you lose its position. Some people rename them to s* (small letter s) or prepend a dot |
| 16:48.22 | pickcoder | tim__b: sysv-rc-conf does it |
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| 16:48.27 | pickcoder | gah |
| 16:48.28 | liable | snowbird: no |
| 16:48.31 | pickcoder | ~tim_flatus |
| 16:48.41 | pickcoder | sysv-rc-conf -p |
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| 16:48.41 | liable | snowbird: just dont worry about iptables |
| 16:48.44 | snowbird | how would i open port in ip tables |
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| 16:49.09 | snowbird | were do i open ports then? |
| 16:49.30 | tim_flatus | pickcoder, thanks but I don't think pikko wants something that simple ;) |
| 16:49.45 | snowbird | i want to portforward |
| 16:49.51 | pickcoder | have you even use sysv-rc-conf? |
| 16:50.05 | liable | snowbird: what do you mean by port forward? |
| 16:50.11 | tim_flatus | pickcoder, me, yes I think it's great. |
| 16:50.15 | snowbird | open a port |
| 16:50.35 | snowbird | tall pc to leve one open |
| 16:50.35 | obsethryl | guys is there anyone running debian on a laptop |
| 16:50.38 | liable | snowbird: if you install a service, then that port is open.. |
| 16:50.44 | jelly | !anyone |
| 16:50.44 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 16:50.45 | Ronin | !anyone |
| 16:50.47 | obsethryl | i want to buy a laptop that is linux compatible |
| 16:50.47 | Ronin | jinx |
| 16:50.53 | pickcoder | !laptop |
| 16:50.53 | dpkg | i heard laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 16:51.00 | obsethryl | without hassle that is |
| 16:51.00 | hussam | I have a question about debian. can debian's sources.list rsync method or just http/ftp? |
| 16:51.06 | obsethryl | dont care about acpi/etc .... |
| 16:51.06 | liable | !botabuse |
| 16:51.06 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 16:51.16 | snowbird | if i do that give it sercive the port aint open when i try to use it |
| 16:51.19 | obsethryl | oh well, better follow the triggers... |
| 16:51.29 | obsethryl | thanks though |
| 16:51.41 | jelly | obsethryl: research the hardware. If you find a likeable model, google for its name and "lspci". My bet is on thinkpads ;-) |
| 16:51.58 | liable | stinkpad ftw |
| 16:52.03 | obsethryl | jelly: well i wanted to ask somebody who is using it |
| 16:52.18 | obsethryl | i dont care about the firm, they are all using the taiwan made components |
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| 16:52.27 | obsethryl | jelly: pleased with it? |
| 16:52.30 | liable | so go visit the linux laptop sites |
| 16:52.31 | jelly | obsethryl: quite. |
| 16:53.11 | jelly | obsethryl: the Z series isn't produced any more though, now that there are widescreen T series models. |
| 16:53.22 | liable | z60 is fat |
| 16:53.25 | obsethryl | jelly: i bet ebay should have it though :P |
| 16:53.33 | jelly | liable: that it is |
| 16:53.48 | jelly | liable: had a fatter Compaq before it. |
| 16:54.10 | obsethryl | well i decided i am starting market research on that, since debian has been behaving exceptionally well ever since peterS convinced me to get back to it :) |
| 16:54.19 | liable | jelly: no need to compare against other lesser laptops ;) |
| 16:54.30 | snowbird | liable then etch sits and listens if someting wants in how u tell it to |
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| 16:54.58 | liable | snowbird: what exactly are you wantin to do? |
| 16:55.25 | snowbird | open port to network printer |
| 16:55.28 | jelly | liable: I've get good luck with business-range Compaq models before (cca 1998-2001), this Armada E500 has served my well 2001-2005. |
| 16:55.33 | jelly | s/get/had/ |
| 16:55.36 | snowbird | maybe do ssh from one to outher pc |
| 16:56.13 | obsethryl | jelly: the nx series back then? the ones that were shipping with suse 9.x something? |
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| 16:57.10 | Uranellus | hey is there a way to figure out with which bootparameters the system has been started? |
| 16:57.19 | jelly | obsethryl: Had a look at some when I was looking for a machine (late 2005) - they didn't feel as sturdy as Thinkpads. |
| 16:57.20 | somian[0] | Yes |
| 16:57.21 | liable | snowbird: opening ports has nothing to do with getting a printer to work |
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| 16:57.25 | Siddharta | do you know some apps (like M$ Visio) for drawing network diagram ? |
| 16:57.35 | snowbird | ok i was reading on net |
| 16:57.41 | Siddharta | for KDE |
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| 16:57.48 | Siddharta | or other |
| 16:57.51 | snowbird | ok il have to work on someting |
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| 16:58.09 | obsethryl | jelly: i looked at the lenovopads the other day in a retailer; their plastic covers have a funny feeling unfortunately (seems a bit cheap to me) |
| 16:58.11 | snowbird | for my downlaod wants a port |
| 16:58.23 | snowbird | torent how would i give it one |
| 16:58.40 | jelly | obsethryl: yah, Lenovo branded models look to me pretty much like just another brand |
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| 16:58.51 | jelly | obsethryl: never had one in hand though |
| 16:59.17 | liable | my t60 is fat and solid |
| 16:59.19 | Siddharta | jelly: i writing from a lenovo 3000 V100 |
| 16:59.40 | Siddharta | and believe me , it is not as good as thinkpad |
| 16:59.53 | jelly | Siddharta: you don't say! |
| 17:00.09 | liable | snowbird: what does torrent have to do with printing, or is that another question? |
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| 17:00.53 | jelly | thinkpads come with a nice 20% price increase compared to models with same/similar hw from other brands |
| 17:01.07 | liable | yup |
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| 17:01.21 | jelly | Still I don't regret buying it one bit |
| 17:01.22 | RockerMONO | p0g0_: dude... followed step b step and it didn't work |
| 17:01.37 | RockerMONO | *step by step |
| 17:01.48 | RockerMONO | p0g0_: Yard is messed up haha |
| 17:01.55 | snowbird | liable u dont run ip tables? |
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| 17:02.40 | liable | snowbird: no, there is no need for a user linux box to use it |
| 17:03.11 | snowbird | alrighty then |
| 17:03.31 | snowbird | its pain in rump any how u cant find a way to allow things in ip tables |
| 17:04.01 | themill | iptables -F usually works ..... |
| 17:04.50 | liable | to clear, sure, but theres no need to even think about setting rules for a user box |
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| 17:06.51 | IsoLnCHiP | Hi, is there any restrictions on the values one can choose for APT::Cache-Limit ? |
| 17:06.54 | snowbird | whats that -f comand doo |
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| 17:07.59 | nwidger | hello, i was just wondering if editing /etc/mailcap by hand is safe, or if there's some external program i should be using. |
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| 17:09.11 | jelly | liable: it is if the box is on the internet |
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| 17:10.06 | liable | jelly: a user box? and what services would your iptables rules be blocking? |
| 17:10.57 | jelly | liable: the vpn to my remotely available user box. |
| 17:11.02 | snowbird | for one torents a fire f wall blocks ssh and vnc |
| 17:11.29 | jelly | liable: (ok, so it's more like "sshd", not a real vpn) |
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| 17:12.26 | liable | jelly: even still, if its properly configured, whats the use of iptables except maybe rate limiting spamming connections? |
| 17:13.00 | jelly | liable: that's it. |
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| 17:13.40 | liable | jelly: right, and so my original advice stands. a user box doesnt need iptables |
| 17:13.41 | snowbird | i trust liable hes tought me that right stuff he tought me how to fix |
| 17:13.41 | snowbird | lots |
| 17:13.54 | snowbird | were is my note book gone too? |
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| 17:14.32 | liable | time to sleep for me |
| 17:14.35 | liable | laters |
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| 17:15.38 | yos87 | liable: how are you today? |
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| 17:16.01 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 17:16.11 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 17:17.52 | obsethryl | jelly: turion x2 with 1gb of ram and 256mb ati card |
| 17:17.58 | obsethryl | do i buy that for 150... ?? |
| 17:17.59 | obsethryl | :P |
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| 17:20.26 | jelly | obsethryl: I have no idea. 150 what? how large a display? Do the graphic and wireless cards work with free drivers (if you care about that)? I hear laptops with AMD CPUs can get hot. |
| 17:20.33 | obsethryl | 15wxga |
| 17:20.43 | obsethryl | glossy |
| 17:20.45 | obsethryl | 1gb of ram |
| 17:21.01 | obsethryl | i am surfing ebay for possible candidates 150 bucks looks good :) |
| 17:21.05 | snowbird | off to get some saop and do cloths today |
| 17:21.40 | jelly | obsethryl: 15.4" wxga is what I have, is acceptable (96 dpi). Glossy is a minus, IMHO, depending on your surroundings you may like it or not. |
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| 17:22.15 | jelly | obsethryl: I don't think you'll get it for 150 US$ final price. |
| 17:22.22 | stuart- | okay, how do i configure sound in debian? i have an old vibra 128 card |
| 17:22.35 | jelly | obsethryl: sounds a bit too cheap |
| 17:22.57 | obsethryl | jelly: true, it is just a bid |
| 17:22.58 | themill | stuart-: have you been through alsaconf? |
| 17:23.35 | jelly | obsethryl: look for "already completed" similar items to get a better price estimate |
| 17:23.45 | stuart- | themill, not yet, will try |
| 17:24.09 | stuart- | themill, command not found. what packages do i need to d/l? i'm clean on a net-inst |
| 17:24.34 | themill | stuart-: alsa-utils |
| 17:24.42 | stuart- | themill, thanks |
| 17:24.46 | themill | !tell stuart- about search |
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| 17:30.16 | stuart- | themill, i config'd and alsa asked me to have fun. but xmms asks me to configure my soundcard and won't play mp'3s |
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| 17:31.23 | aidehua | Can I run a command that tells GRUB to boot a particular entry once, then boot the normal default upon the next reboot? |
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| 17:33.26 | xsdg | aidehua: you might be able to hack something with setdefault |
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| 17:34.09 | aidehua | xsdg: interesting idea -- thanks. |
| 17:34.57 | themill | stuart-: try something simple like aplay first. |
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| 17:35.05 | xingu | aidehua: see "grub-reboot" |
| 17:35.29 | stuart- | themill, aplay just stalls |
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| 17:35.52 | aidehua | xingu: :D thanks |
| 17:36.22 | themill | stuart-: odd. are you sending it an mp3? |
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| 17:40.22 | lindenle | can someone tell me what to do about an interface called wlan0_rename? |
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| 17:40.50 | cahoot_ | !z25 |
| 17:40.50 | dpkg | methinks z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to staticly rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. the addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. if you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory |
| 17:41.47 | xand | z25 is the best thing since sliced bread ;) |
| 17:41.59 | lindenle | cahoot_: should I be able to use it with the name wlan0_rename? I am getting an erro when i try to set the essid on the card. |
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| 17:42.29 | stuart_ | can you netinst through wireless? |
| 17:43.02 | stuart- | my friend is having a problem beside me now, linux won't detect his wireless, and lists it as a firewire |
| 17:43.33 | cahoot_ | lindenle: I'm just assuming the name is set by udev - look into the file and see if that seems correct |
| 17:43.58 | cahoot_ | lindenle: you can chnge it to whatever you like there |
| 17:44.09 | themill | stuart-: unlikely that it gets it that wrong. do you know what sort of wireless it is supposed to be? |
| 17:44.32 | xand | stuart-: more likely he has a firewire port as well, and the wireless isn't listed |
| 17:44.37 | themill | stuart-: look on both lspci and lsusb for the wireless card |
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| 17:45.19 | themill | stuart-: and some usb wireless cards have a kill switch that disconnects them from the bus not just turns off the radio |
| 17:45.27 | stuart- | so do you guys recommend him instalilng the base first? because the network is slowing down the whole process |
| 17:45.54 | stuart- | he says he has an 802.11b wireless, or something? haha |
| 17:46.08 | themill | stuart-: sorry... I'm not with you. What have you done and what are you trying to achieve? |
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| 17:46.28 | stuart- | themill, trying to net-inst debian on his lappie with a wireless |
| 17:47.39 | themill | stuart-: I don't believe that netinst will work with wireless. Can you stick a cable in the back of it to do the install? |
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| 17:47.51 | wisp | hey.,. anybody know when the |
| 17:48.03 | wisp | KDE4-beta packages will be available to debian? |
| 17:48.07 | stuart- | themill, yeah, that'll be okay. but i'll have to dc then. and this pc doesnt have wireless! oh no |
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| 17:48.30 | jelly | hm. Is there a way to speed up massive deletion on an ext3 partition? It's idle, and I need to delete about a half of some 5M files. |
| 17:48.41 | jetscreamer | d/l a full cd perhaps |
| 17:48.57 | stuart- | themill, he has a router line at home though, how can i make sure his core installation recognizes his network card? |
| 17:48.59 | themill | stuart-: you can get the base system working with the netinstall image... and if you've got a wireless card that is supported by the kernel without any extra firmware..... maybe. |
| 17:49.07 | MERLiiN | yo |
| 17:49.08 | Tremitos | Hi |
| 17:49.11 | jetscreamer | speaking of ext3 ... when the hell is the 'superblock last write time in the future' going to be fixed |
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| 17:49.30 | jelly | jetscreamer: don't write from the future? |
| 17:49.51 | jetscreamer | jelly: i don't, unfortunately... i'd write me the lotto numbers |
| 17:49.51 | themill | stuart-: the netinstall image will get you to a working system that will see the network card (usually) and use dhcp or a static addr with it. |
| 17:50.16 | themill | stuart-: I've not had netinstall fail to recognise a network card yet... |
| 17:50.18 | jetscreamer | that's why i went jfs .. but i put ext3 on the laptop |
| 17:50.20 | MERLiiN | investigating |
| 17:50.23 | Tremitos | you tell me ;) |
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| 17:50.49 | jelly | jetscreamer: what kind of workload do you have on jfs? |
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| 17:51.27 | jetscreamer | jelly: it's all home based... simonrvn or peterS uses it, i forget which, they'd probably actually have a 'workload' |
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| 17:52.01 | jetscreamer | jelly: i went jfs a year or two ago, i forget, only one error since, and i can blame hardware i think |
| 17:52.02 | xand | is it possible to pass some kind of "mtime" argument to rsync to only copy files of a certain age? |
| 17:53.00 | jetscreamer | xand: i read the manpage once, iirc yes |
| 17:53.06 | stuart- | themill, okay i have the core system now. so there's no way i can set up wifi now? |
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| 17:53.31 | xand | jetscreamer: there's no mention of "time" in the manpage or anything to do with dates |
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| 17:53.52 | jelly | xand: find, and rsync --files-from= ? |
| 17:54.31 | xand | jelly: I wanted to specify the the mtime on a remote machine :| |
| 17:54.42 | xand | i.e. pull files rather than push them |
| 17:54.59 | jelly | xand: uh... find on the other machine :-) |
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| 17:55.08 | xand | jelly: I don't see how I can do that |
| 17:55.24 | xand | jelly: I want to run rsync on the target |
| 17:55.27 | jelly | xand: duh, copy over the file! |
| 17:55.37 | jelly | *file list |
| 17:55.39 | jetscreamer | -f, --filter=RULE add a file-filtering RULE |
| 17:55.54 | xand | jelly: I don't wnat to run anything on the source |
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| 17:56.53 | jelly | xand: not even rsync? |
| 17:57.00 | xand | jelly: not interactively |
| 17:57.12 | xand | or "actively" |
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| 17:58.17 | lindenle | can anyone help me get a dwl650 up and running, the machine has a broken internal wireless card and i think they are somehow competing.... |
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| 17:58.53 | stuart- | whoops, what package do i need to install if it says lspci command not found? |
| 17:59.00 | Blwood | I've forgot, what's the command to have info on a package :( ? |
| 17:59.10 | Blwood | like the version ... |
| 17:59.13 | ErNi_ | stuart-: pciutils |
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| 17:59.41 | jetscreamer | apt-cache show package ? |
| 17:59.46 | jelly | Blwood: installed: dpkg -s package-name. available for installation: aptitude show package-name |
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| 17:59.48 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 17:59.48 | dpkg | i guess search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 18:00.25 | Blwood | Jean11, & jetscreamer thank you :) |
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| 18:00.43 | stuart- | ErNi_, pciutils command nto found |
| 18:01.07 | ErNi_ | stuart-: install pciutils package |
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| 18:01.10 | xand | stuart-: that's not a command. |
| 18:01.18 | SamuraiDio | help! i cannot update my aptitude |
| 18:01.34 | xand | SamuraiDio: more details required |
| 18:01.36 | SamuraiDio | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 18:01.36 | SamuraiDio | E: Um erro ocorreu processando php4-dev (NovaVersão1) |
| 18:01.36 | SamuraiDio | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_testing_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 18:01.37 | SamuraiDio | E: As listas de pacotes ou os arquivos de status não puderam ser analisados ou abertos. |
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| 18:01.47 | SamuraiDio | sorry |
| 18:02.08 | stuart- | ErNi_, no installation candidate |
| 18:02.13 | ErNi_ | lol |
| 18:02.13 | SamuraiDio | !paste |
| 18:02.13 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 18:02.17 | jelly | !tell SamuraiDio -about dynamic mmap |
| 18:02.44 | jelly | SamuraiDio: got that? |
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| 18:04.28 | ErNi_ | stuart-: http://packages.debian.org/pciutils <-- there is pciutils package in all branchs |
| 18:04.33 | xand | jelly: I suppose I could do "ssh host find..." first |
| 18:04.33 | SamuraiDio | jelly, yeah, tnx |
| 18:04.59 | SamuraiDio | jelly, that values means bytes? |
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| 18:09.02 | jelly | SamuraiDio: I think so, yes |
| 18:09.12 | SamuraiDio | !tell SamuraiDio -about dynamic mmap |
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| 18:09.21 | paul0 | hi there |
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| 18:09.44 | paul0 | i've configured an vpn network here, how do i set an interface as the default route for an ip range? |
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| 18:10.06 | paul0 | route add -net 150.162.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 dev ppp0 |
| 18:10.18 | paul0 | this command stops all my connections |
| 18:10.24 | paul0 | and ppp0 goes down |
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| 18:11.39 | SamuraiDio | jelly, tnx, it worked |
| 18:12.31 | Vikto1 | How can i `run_init` to /dev/loop0 that is made of a cramfs file? |
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| 18:13.22 | pikko | ok, file-rc seems to be nice, sysv-rc-conf is good, but I would like to have init more logical (like to see while restarting networking that privoxy restarts too ...) |
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| 18:13.46 | pikko | is there some init system that works well with debian too? |
| 18:14.10 | jelly | paul0: is your gateway also in the 150.162.0.0/16 range? |
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| 18:15.02 | paul0 | jelly, probably the vpn gateway is there, it's the first time i am using VPNs |
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| 18:15.03 | pikko | some reliable initng replacement |
| 18:15.28 | paul0 | jelly, so i don't understand much about this |
| 18:15.41 | jelly | paul0: pastebin the output of route -n while it works |
| 18:16.02 | stew | pikko: privoxy doesn't restart when networking restarts |
| 18:16.12 | jelly | stew: he wants it to |
| 18:16.25 | Vikto1 | How can i `run_init` to /dev/loop0 that is made of a cramfs file? |
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| 18:16.38 | pikko | stew: sorry, tor should (should not it?) |
| 18:16.47 | stew | pikko: it doesn't |
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| 18:17.24 | stew | pikko: i don't know of any instances in debian where running one init script in turn runs another |
| 18:17.30 | paul0 | jelly, http://rafb.net/p/6O8ldn68.html |
| 18:17.33 | paul0 | jelly, here |
| 18:17.39 | jelly | pikko: if you want, you can put commands in /etc/network/interfaces to be run when eg. eth0 goes up or down |
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| 18:18.14 | roxy_ | I usually can read DVD without problem. Just inserting it and then I got ask what I want to do with it. I just got a new DVD and it KB3 tells me the DVD player is empty. mount /dev/hdb /media/cdrom answer no medium found. Where can the problem be ? (my gf can read the dvd on her Mac) |
| 18:18.17 | paul0 | jelly, here is my ifconfig ppp0 http://rafb.net/p/qdotUu83.html |
| 18:18.19 | schmick | debian-newbie here looking for a little guidance |
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| 18:18.45 | jelly | paul0: and your internet connection works with this route -n? |
| 18:18.45 | [Jasper-2] | guys, I'm trying to do a netboot, but I can't get the network device runnig |
| 18:18.50 | [Jasper-2] | what's the command to get it up and down? |
| 18:18.55 | pikko | stew: ok, but could this be specified like: run this if any of wurking network interfaces restarts (wifi, eth ..)? |
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| 18:19.08 | paul0 | jelly, yes, this is how my routes look after i start the ppp0 |
| 18:19.20 | paul0 | jelly, my normal internet is routed by 10.1.1.1 |
| 18:19.23 | pikko | stew: eg. privoxy should restart after tor, no? |
| 18:19.50 | jetscreamer | ifup or ifdown ? |
| 18:19.56 | stew | pikko: that can be done via /etc/network/interfaces or /etc/network/if-up.d |
| 18:20.04 | jetscreamer | ah nm |
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| 18:20.32 | jelly | paul0: why do you have another default route via 192.168.0.1, iface eth1? |
| 18:20.36 | [GNU]Order | What happens when you add a group that could cause a delay? A script I use returns exit status 6 from useradd and I tried :groupadd -g gid groupname; useradd -g gid -u uid -s /bin/false username" on the CL and I get "useradd: unknown group groupname" but by the time I "cat /etc/group", it exists. |
| 18:20.37 | [Jasper-2] | stew there is no if-up.d |
| 18:20.39 | paul0 | jelly, i want to use the 150.162.0.0 ip class via ppp0 |
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| 18:20.50 | schmick | I'm getting "Your network is probably not using DHCP protocol. I'm loading debian onto on older (P2-233MHz-256RAM) |
| 18:20.52 | DavidProck1981 | IN a console what is the proper pramiter to extract file.tar.gz into a folder the same name as the compressed file minus the tar.gz?, i just cant seem ot get it |
| 18:21.03 | paul0 | jelly, this is my neightboor wifi network hehe |
| 18:21.22 | stew | [Jasper-2]: yes there is |
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| 18:21.29 | pikko | stew: wouldn't it be nice to specify dependencies and there restart? (Like start net, load modules and start firewall before doing this?) |
| 18:21.46 | pikko | stew: I ask only to know your opinion |
| 18:21.58 | [Jasper-2] | no stew there aint |
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| 18:22.11 | [Jasper-2] | that's why I'm asking for different methods, I'm doing a netinstall, via a rarp server |
| 18:22.16 | [Jasper-2] | debian image is only 5 mb big |
| 18:22.17 | paul0 | jelly, i want to set my routes to access 150.162.*.* ips via ppp0, but i don't know how |
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| 18:22.23 | Vikto1 | How can i `run_init` to /dev/loop0 that is made of a cramfs file? |
| 18:22.30 | [Jasper-2] | ~ # ifup eth0 |
| 18:22.30 | [Jasper-2] | /bin/sh: ifup: not found |
| 18:22.32 | [Jasper-2] | see? |
| 18:22.36 | stew | [Jasper-2]: what version of ifupdown do you have installed? |
| 18:22.41 | [Jasper-2] | stew NONE |
| 18:22.50 | [Jasper-2] | it's a MINIMAL install |
| 18:22.55 | [Jasper-2] | so there MUST be another way debian does it |
| 18:22.57 | stew | [Jasper-2]: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:23.08 | [Jasper-2] | stew, I'm doing a netinstall |
| 18:23.13 | [Jasper-2] | of a minimal version of 5 mb |
| 18:23.19 | snowbird | stew my aslsa wont hold chy i try new card? |
| 18:23.22 | stew | [Jasper-2]: why are you asking me about /etc/network/ifupdown? |
| 18:23.32 | [Jasper-2] | I am not |
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| 18:23.41 | [Jasper-2] | I asked if there was a way to ifup or ifdown a network device |
| 18:23.44 | [Jasper-2] | without the ifup command |
| 18:23.50 | jelly | paul0: well, your route line looks sane, but your initial config does not. ;-) |
| 18:24.15 | jelly | paul0: why do you always set up a default route to the free wifi? |
| 18:24.40 | stew | pikko: hmm, well. i think that the current system of putting stuff in if-up.d and if-down.d is good only in that it is something that happens when you run ifup and ifdown which may happen independent of init scripts |
| 18:24.51 | stew | pikko: i dont' see much wrong with the current system |
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| 18:24.51 | stuart_ | i get a /var/lib/dbus/machine-id: no such file or directory problem when i start GAIM, any ideas? |
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| 18:25.21 | paul0 | jelly, isn't always, but i use it sometimes, it has more bandwidth than my ADSL ;) |
| 18:25.22 | pikko | stew: well, mazbe I am influenced bz gentoo |
| 18:25.28 | stew | pikko: though I agree that once all the init scripts defintaely have lsb headers, some better system than sysv-rc can probably be implemented. but i haven't really looked at file-rc or initng |
| 18:25.50 | stew | snowbird: do you know which driver you are using? |
| 18:25.57 | stew | snowbird: and what do you mean by "wont hold"? |
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| 18:26.07 | snowbird | know i dont its deaflt one |
| 18:26.24 | snowbird | have to re fun config each time |
| 18:26.32 | snowbird | get pc sounds on boot |
| 18:26.37 | jelly | paul0: hm. and what's your vpn gateway, that .245.10 machine? |
| 18:26.45 | snowbird | have to re run conf to get sound from pc like radio |
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| 18:27.11 | paul0 | jean_, probably, i'm not sure |
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| 18:27.35 | stew | pikko: i'm not familiar with gentoo's init scheme, though i'd be interested in reading about it if you had a link |
| 18:27.41 | jelly | paul0: can you pastebin the vpn config, without username / password? |
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| 18:28.26 | paul0 | ok, which vpn config? the one from /etc/ppp/peers ? |
| 18:28.27 | snowbird | stew il look at drivers need rebbot hold on |
| 18:28.39 | stew | why reboot? |
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| 18:29.21 | roxy_ | I got this message about my signing key with OpenGPG: "expires in less than 18446744073709551614 days". I think I am on the safe side :-) |
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| 18:29.42 | jelly | paul0: I don't know, probably. |
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| 18:30.08 | cr3 | is there a simple way on the command line to determine if a remote machine is responding to ping which can be used in a bash script? |
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| 18:30.34 | pikko | stew: well, I only tried to use and it seems to be fast (own impression) I will try to search some links ... |
| 18:32.00 | stew | pikko: a lot of work was done recently into looking at how you could speed up the debian boot process, and its mostly cpu/disk bound, that largest improvement would be from switching /bin/sh from bash to dash |
| 18:32.39 | Morfeu | Hi All!! |
| 18:32.40 | Morfeu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:32.57 | SpComb | I'm trying to use a FTDI (USB <-> Serial) USB device (to develop a driver for it in python). It's listed in /proc/bus/usb/devices with Bus=02 Port=06 and Driver=(none). Manufacturer=FTDI and Product=USB <-> Serial. Trouble is that if I insmod ftdi_sio, it attaches usb 2.7 to ttyUSB0 - usb 2.7 is (what I assume to be) the multimedia portion of my Logitech G15 keyboard. The brltty (braille display...) daemon ends up grabbing the 2.7 device away from ftdi_s |
| 18:33.14 | paul0 | jelly, http://rafb.net/p/KWeP3Z75.html |
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| 18:33.27 | jelly | stew: I've used dash as /bin/sh for quite a while and the startup is still rather slow. |
| 18:33.31 | stuart- | is there any site to get sound working on debian? i'm using a vibra 128 card |
| 18:33.41 | Vikto1 | How can i `run_init` to /dev/loop0 that is made of a cramfs file? |
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| 18:33.55 | stew | jelly: do you remember who produced the pretty graphs? was it marga? |
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| 18:34.29 | jelly | stew: hmm, I haven't actually seen any of those for Debian |
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| 18:35.05 | SpComb | relevant /proc/bus/usb/devices and dmesg stuff: http://pb.marttila.de/147 |
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| 18:35.22 | snowbird | stew how i paste u list of alsa drivers? |
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| 18:35.39 | jelly | cr3: I use something like if ping -c 2 -i 1 some-host; then [ it works ]; else [it doesn't]; fi |
| 18:35.58 | stew | pikko: jelly: yeah, http://www.marga.com.ar/~marga/debian/boottime/debconf-boot.pdf |
| 18:36.03 | stew | snowbird: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:36.09 | snowbird | right |
| 18:36.21 | snowbird | how i get em stew what comand make em show up? |
| 18:37.00 | jelly | paul0: so, your vpn gateway is in that very same range too. that means that after adding that route, you also need to add a separate route for the vpn gateway back thru 10.1.1.1 |
| 18:37.51 | cr3 | jelly: cool! the return value of ping is sane! |
| 18:38.02 | snowbird | how do i get my driver list for sound card |
| 18:38.15 | stew | snowbird: run alsaconf |
| 18:38.18 | jelly | paul0: srv1.vpn.ufsc.br ip is 150.162.0.82, so after adding the route for the whole 150.162.0.0/16 thru ppp0, add another one like route add -host 150.162.0.82 gw 10.1.1.1 |
| 18:38.23 | snowbird | done that stew |
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| 18:38.33 | stew | snowbird: does it detect your card? |
| 18:38.49 | snowbird | no |
| 18:39.03 | [GNU]Order | Is there a shadow file for group and if so, where is it? |
| 18:39.05 | stew | !tell erphan about root |
| 18:39.21 | jelly | paul0: they try pinging 150.162.0.82, it ought to work |
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| 18:39.43 | xingu | [GNU]Order: gshadow |
| 18:39.47 | stew | snowbird: what did you mean by "my aslsa wont hold" |
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| 18:40.08 | snowbird | i have to run alsa conf each time i want to get sound |
| 18:40.13 | snowbird | alsa store dont hold |
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| 18:40.37 | stew | snowbird: but alsaconf doesn't detect your card? |
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| 18:40.37 | snowbird | think its sound blaster 16 bit |
| 18:41.04 | [GNU]Order | xingu: thanks. |
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| 18:41.22 | xingu | YW |
| 18:41.49 | jelly | cr3: it returns false even if just one packet is lost, my real condition is a bit more complicated but you get the drift |
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| 18:42.38 | foo | Can 500-1000 TIME_WAITs for mysql port cause a load between 2-3? RAM is fine (no swapping), CPU utilization is < 24%... I'm trying to narrow this down, only thing that looks strange is TIME_WAITs |
| 18:43.02 | cr3 | jelly: thanks for the extra info, much appreciated |
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| 18:43.19 | stuart- | how come i can't tar -jxvf a pidgin.tar.bz2 file? |
| 18:43.41 | stuart- | it says bzip2: cannot exec: no such file or directory |
| 18:43.41 | stew | snowbird: what happens when you try? |
| 18:43.44 | snowbird | stew that list pci device comand |
| 18:43.51 | stew | snowbird: aptitude install bzip2 |
| 18:43.53 | stew | stuart-: ^^ |
| 18:43.55 | stew | stuart-: not you |
| 18:44.01 | snowbird | it comes up with to outer sound cards |
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| 18:44.07 | stew | snowbird: lspci |
| 18:44.11 | snowbird | and then it runs fine til reboot |
| 18:44.19 | stuart- | stew, oo thanks! |
| 18:44.37 | stew | snowbird: does alsaconf detect your card? or does it return an error? |
| 18:44.53 | snowbird | it dects minee |
| 18:45.05 | stew | snowbird: what driver does it say it is going to use for your card? |
| 18:45.05 | irwiss | Do I only want the first cd if I need a barebones etch system? |
| 18:45.11 | stew | irwiss: yes |
| 18:45.32 | stew | irwiss: or possibly a netinst which is only ~150 mb |
| 18:45.49 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.54 | snowbird | says my card is that |
| 18:46.03 | snowbird | let me look at what is in case hole one |
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| 18:46.19 | snowbird | it doest tell me it does a scan |
| 18:46.23 | snowbird | picks card |
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| 18:46.28 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 18:46.44 | _Fallen | I need the following libs: gtk+-2.0 >= 1.3.7 gdk-x11-2.0 glib-2.0 gobject-2.0 but I can't find the correct package names...what are they? |
| 18:46.54 | _Fallen | (I also need any -dev lib of those) |
| 18:46.56 | dazjorz | use apt-cache search |
| 18:47.08 | dazjorz | apt-cache search gtk+-2.0 |
| 18:47.12 | dazjorz | or just gtk+ |
| 18:47.15 | snowbird | cteaative labs ct 4810 card |
| 18:47.19 | stew | snowbird: when the card is working, run "lsmod | grep snd" and show us the output; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:47.34 | stuart- | i'm trying to run "sudo apt-get build-dep gaim" to get dependencies for a pidgin package i'm trying to set up. but it says unable to find source package for gaim. any way to remedy that? |
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| 18:48.06 | stew | stuart-: apt-get build-dep pidgin |
| 18:48.11 | simonrvn | use pidgin o_O |
| 18:48.18 | stew | stuart-: but why are you trying to build pidgin instead of just installing it? |
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| 18:48.36 | stuart- | stew, no pidgin source in my apt-get |
| 18:48.46 | themill | stuart-: it's in lenny and sid |
| 18:48.50 | stuart- | stew, do i need a special sources.list line? |
| 18:49.06 | dazjorz | Is a user with shell set to /sbin/nologin or a shell that exits right away, able to use scp? |
| 18:49.13 | dazjorz | remotely |
| 18:49.15 | wisp | hey.,. anybody know when the KDE4-beta packages will be available to debian? |
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| 18:49.24 | stew | stuart-: you can install it from backports.org: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 18:50.12 | themill | stew: this script from #alsa might help you get some info.... http://nopaste.com/p/aFihqMSkX/txt |
| 18:50.12 | stew | wisp: ask #debian-kde on irc.debian.org |
| 18:50.30 | wisp | steve: hmm okay.. |
| 18:50.41 | SORMANOV | proftpd only listens on ipv6 socket, how to get it working on ipv4 ? |
| 18:51.09 | stew | SORMANOV: what does "netstat -plant | grep :21" return? |
| 18:51.25 | SpComb | how can I map the usb device number from dmesg (e.g. [88179.644000] usb 2-7: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now attached to ttyUSB0) to something in /proc/bus/usb/devices? |
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| 18:51.29 | stew | dazjorz: no, i don't think so, perhaps look at scponly |
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| 18:51.42 | SORMANOV | steve, tcp6 0 0 :::21 :::* LISTEN 2748/proftpd: (acce |
| 18:51.51 | wisp | stew: there's only 14 people in there.. not very much activity |
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| 18:52.00 | stew | SORMANOV: its not only listening on a ipv6 socke, its listening on all |
| 18:52.22 | stew | wisp: it may take a while to get an answer thhen |
| 18:52.38 | h3sp4wn | SORMANOV: did you read the README.Debian |
| 18:52.39 | wisp | stew: what's wrong with asking in this channel btw? |
| 18:52.47 | SamuraiDio | does Amarok iPod support requires libipoddevice? |
| 18:52.50 | dazjorz | stew: ah, well, I don't want them to use scp, anyway |
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| 18:53.11 | stew | wisp: nothing. its just that nobody in here would actually know. the debian kde developers would, since they are the ones that have control over it. and they aren't here |
| 18:53.21 | stuart- | stew, is it normal to get a no pubkey error? |
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| 18:53.55 | stew | stuart-: it is if you haven't added a key for that repository to with apt-key add |
| 18:53.58 | dazjorz | stuart-: see the topic |
| 18:54.02 | wisp | stew: okay .. well i reckon they *should* be here .. :) |
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| 18:54.28 | snowbird | pst bin sight? |
| 18:54.33 | stew | wisp: i think they'd rather stay productive on fixing kde related bugs than to do random end-user support |
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| 18:55.29 | snowbird | need paste bi |
| 18:55.45 | Ronin | !tell snowbird about paste |
| 18:55.45 | themill | !tell snowbird about paste |
| 18:55.46 | stew | stuart-: if you read the instructions that dpkg pointed you to, it would tell you have to fix it |
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| 18:57.13 | snowbird | its sent stew |
| 18:57.18 | atom-z | if i'm running amd64 stable, can i still install some unstable packages? (like wine, for which it is always useful to have the latest stuff?) |
| 18:57.19 | Ronin | snowbird: we need the url |
| 18:57.44 | stew | atom-z: no, use a backport instead: /msg dpkg backports |
| 18:58.07 | snowbird | http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 18:58.23 | Ronin | snowbird: a number follows that last / |
| 18:58.40 | snowbird | http://rafb.net/p/WCi2Wf42.html |
| 18:58.44 | stuart- | eh i did the gpg --keyserver and now when i do apt-get, it says could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open |
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| 18:59.12 | stuart- | wait |
| 18:59.21 | stuart- | wasn't in sudo. doh |
| 18:59.23 | atom-z | ah i see |
| 18:59.26 | atom-z | thanks |
| 18:59.37 | themill | stuart-: please get in the habit of using aptitude not apt-get |
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| 18:59.54 | stuart- | but i still get the no pubkey error when i do apt-get update .. |
| 19:00.05 | snowbird | ronin u get it? |
| 19:00.23 | stew | stuart-: read the instructions on backports.org |
| 19:00.42 | snowbird | stew what drivers do i need? |
| 19:00.50 | stew | snowbird: edit /etc/modules and add snd_ens1371 to the end of the file |
| 19:01.00 | snowbird | ok |
| 19:01.04 | stew | snowbird: and also snd-pcm-oss |
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| 19:01.13 | snowbird | hold on il do open it |
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| 19:02.00 | atom-z | stew, one thing though... do backports work with amd64 debian? |
| 19:02.12 | snowbird | no modules there |
| 19:02.15 | stew | atom-z: yes |
| 19:02.22 | stuart- | stew, what that was crazy. but there's no pidgin in backports either. |
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| 19:02.44 | atom-z | stew, cool. thanks |
| 19:02.57 | stew | i could swear there was |
| 19:03.00 | snowbird | found list now add ok |
| 19:03.46 | snowbird | what do i type in list? |
| 19:05.06 | pikko | stew: nice presentation, but unfortunately it does not say much about how to tune it |
| 19:05.11 | stew | stuart-: in that case, you'll have to backport it from sid: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:05.14 | snowbird | right at bottom? |
| 19:06.06 | pikko | stew: actually I have another thing that it would be nice to have - start depending on the service being enabled (like sope apps for wifi, if wlan present ...) |
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| 19:09.37 | stuart- | how do i add a deb-src line for sid? |
| 19:09.48 | stew | stuart-: editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:09.49 | stuart- | sorry, perhaps a clean net-inst was too overwhelming |
| 19:09.52 | snowbird | cant fix deneid write to config |
| 19:10.09 | stuart- | but what URL should i point for sid's source |
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| 19:10.18 | stew | stuart-: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 19:10.31 | snowbird | stew help me |
| 19:10.33 | stew | snowbird: you have to edit the file as root |
| 19:10.43 | twiggz | or you cn just set them in synaptic |
| 19:10.49 | twiggz | if you need a gui |
| 19:10.50 | snowbird | u mean like sh ? |
| 19:10.54 | snowbird | or how root? |
| 19:11.01 | simonrvn | su - |
| 19:11.25 | stew | snowbird: you must have been root when you ran alsaconf ; whatever you did to run alsaconf |
| 19:11.41 | twiggz | i did a dist-upgrade from etch to lenny/sid using only synaptic....sources.list and all were handled. |
| 19:11.46 | snowbird | i went t o shell and typwd sh then psswd |
| 19:11.48 | stew | twiggz: will synaptic let you add a deb-src line (not a deb line) for a distrubution other than the one you are running? |
| 19:12.00 | twiggz | ^^^^ |
| 19:13.25 | snowbird | odd i cant get it to take my comads |
| 19:13.44 | atom-z | what's the main difference between debian and ubuntu? |
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| 19:13.48 | slidesinger | How do you get a usb mouse working in a tty? |
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| 19:14.19 | twiggz | atom-z: i would say one major difference is that funky ugly /etc/environment file in ubuntu and mepis |
| 19:14.28 | twiggz | thats the messiest crap ive ever seen |
| 19:14.28 | stew | atom-z: they are founded with different goals, debian's being free software, ubuntu seems to care less about free software. the packages are different (ubuntu takes debian packages, and changes them, then adds some of their own) |
| 19:14.36 | Tremitos | sup? |
| 19:14.41 | stuart- | what arguments do i have to put for sid in sources.list |
| 19:14.45 | Tremitos | interest |
| 19:14.55 | stuart- | e.g main contrib |
| 19:15.15 | twiggz | stuart-: i really think you should man synaptic && man aptitude |
| 19:15.18 | twiggz | :) |
| 19:15.24 | h3sp4wn | twiggz: what is in there - I use /etc/environment with Debian (but only a few lines) |
| 19:15.28 | stew | stuart-: main ; make sure you are adding a deb line, not a deb-src line |
| 19:15.34 | stew | twiggz: why would he "man aptitude"? |
| 19:15.37 | atom-z | what's kludged? |
| 19:15.39 | heh_v_water | atom-z, I believe debian has a boatload more packages available as well |
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| 19:16.01 | atom-z | well... what would be really nice is a sortof gentoo and debian hybrid |
| 19:16.05 | twiggz | stew, because its a good idea lol |
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| 19:16.34 | atom-z | (i.e. all the versatility of gentoo, but no wait-ten-or-more-hours-to-get-your-stuff) |
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| 19:16.50 | twiggz | i dislike gentoo ricer linux |
| 19:16.51 | stew | twiggz: but its not at all helpful for what he is trying to accomplish |
| 19:16.51 | snowbird | stew i gett error root acsess dined |
| 19:16.56 | stuart- | stew, hm but i already have a deb http://http.us... main contrib |
| 19:16.59 | twiggz | their livecd installer is a joke. |
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| 19:17.04 | stew | snowbird: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:17.05 | snowbird | what can i doo? |
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| 19:17.33 | TomJ | I just installed Debian on my laptop. X is coming up at a max resoution o 1024x768 - if I go to Resolution Preferences, the max choice available is 1024x768. How do I configure extra resolutions? |
| 19:17.38 | twiggz | stew: nevertheless its information he should learn so he doesnt have to bug us with questions :) |
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| 19:17.47 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.51 | snowbird | added that at end |
| 19:18.03 | xingu | twiggz: what does lspci | grep VGA say ? |
| 19:18.05 | snowbird | snd-pcm-oss |
| 19:18.10 | snowbird | that next line |
| 19:18.16 | stew | !tell snowbird about enter |
| 19:18.24 | twiggz | xingu: i think you mean TomJ |
| 19:18.28 | twiggz | :) |
| 19:18.32 | xingu | indeed |
| 19:18.35 | stew | twiggz: please don't send people on wild goose chases just so they won't bug you |
| 19:18.36 | twiggz | tab whore! |
| 19:18.36 | TomJ | one sec |
| 19:18.40 | xingu | tomj: what does lspci | grep VGA say ? |
| 19:18.43 | snowbird | those are the two lines.. |
| 19:18.49 | atom-z | twiggz, well, i'm planning to install debian again because i don't like having to wait hours every week for stuff to compile |
| 19:19.03 | xingu | twiggz: honest brain-o; misread the nick->privmsg, eyeball skipped some rows. |
| 19:19.04 | twiggz | atom-z: i feel your pain brother. |
| 19:19.06 | TomJ | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 110M / GeForce Go 7300 (rev all) |
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| 19:19.11 | atom-z | but the fact that a large number of very up to date stuff is always available is very nice |
| 19:19.16 | TomJ | which is correct |
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| 19:19.30 | twiggz | zenwalk is very nice imho |
| 19:19.43 | twiggz | i have it on the soon to be stepdaughters desktop. |
| 19:19.47 | xingu | TomJ: you have two choices; nv driver or nvidia driver; the former is free and lacks 3d acceleration; the latter is proprietry. |
| 19:19.56 | twiggz | its light, fast, and bleeding edge packages. |
| 19:20.03 | snowbird | no clues how to fix? |
| 19:20.12 | TomJ | xingu: I'll go for the latter. so I need to download that from the nvidia site? |
| 19:20.17 | atom-z | zenwalk... |
| 19:20.21 | xingu | TomJ: no |
| 19:20.27 | xingu | !tell TomJ about nvidia |
| 19:20.35 | stuart- | aw man i just can't find a source for sources.list that has pidgin |
| 19:20.43 | twiggz | yes atom-z, slackware based, 4.6.1 is very nice. and netpkg is a very capable package manager. |
| 19:20.48 | stew | stuart-: any debian main mirror for unstable |
| 19:21.02 | TomJ | ok, thanks xingu |
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| 19:22.32 | heh_v_water | i built a kickass wii appliance with debian this week. can upload and convert and type of media file to flv and has a flv viewer to watch it all with the wii opera browser, works great :) |
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| 19:22.51 | stuart- | stew, checking. |
| 19:23.11 | atom-z | wii as in games console? |
| 19:23.20 | atom-z | I didn't think you could write your own stuff for it |
| 19:23.20 | heh_v_water | atom-z, yep |
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| 19:23.37 | heh_v_water | atom-z, I didn't I did it all browser based and then use the web browser to view |
| 19:23.45 | stuart- | stew, finally. unstable did it. thanks. |
| 19:23.50 | atom-z | ic |
| 19:24.11 | stew | stuart-: as long as it is "deb-src" and not "deb" since you only want to get source packages from unstable, not binary packages |
| 19:24.16 | stuart- | stew, would unstable affect my system in any way though? it has a bunch of upgrades to go along with it, and i'll need 50MB's worth of files. |
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| 19:24.28 | stew | stuart-: read what I said above |
| 19:24.32 | snowbird | in etch u can not edit sound |
| 19:24.47 | frankr | Hey guys, I have my laptop connected with wireless and I need to bridge that over ethernet so I can give it to my desktop, too |
| 19:24.50 | frankr | how can I do that? |
| 19:24.55 | snowbird | would new sound card help? |
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| 19:25.05 | h3sp4wn | frankr: what driver are you using ? |
| 19:25.09 | h3sp4wn | frankr: you need to use wds |
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| 19:25.15 | winmutt | hello |
| 19:25.17 | stew | snowbird: what do you need to do that your current sound card can't do? |
| 19:25.19 | stuart- | stew, whoops, i only added a deb. |
| 19:25.25 | heh_v_water | snowbird, what kind of sound? I do multi-track recording with etch |
| 19:25.26 | winmutt | i need to access > 2gb memory at a times, whats neede? |
| 19:25.27 | stew | snowbird: what do you mean by "edit sound" |
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| 19:25.37 | snowbird | i want to add what u told me |
| 19:25.45 | snowbird | but i cant get it to work |
| 19:26.04 | snowbird | heh_v_water, sounblaster 4810 |
| 19:26.13 | stuart- | stew, so i removed deb, and added deb-src. apt-get updated. now there's no pidgin package! argh |
| 19:26.26 | heh_v_water | snowbird, you mean you can't make your audio device work |
| 19:26.36 | stew | stuart-: apt-get build-dep pidgin ; apt-get -b source pidgin |
| 19:26.39 | snowbird | it picking wrong driver |
| 19:26.42 | twiggz | i got pidgin with the dist-upgrade |
| 19:26.53 | snowbird | stew said i have to open config and add two lines |
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| 19:27.19 | sereal | Hi, i'm having some trouble getting my laptop (thinkpad t60P) video driver configured for higher resolutions. I just made a fresh install, I thought I had configured debian for more resolutions and it seems to show in my xconfig, but when I try and change it in gnome it only offers two low resolutions. |
| 19:27.41 | stuart- | stew, build depends can't be satisfied because no available versions of package libsilc-dev can satisfy version requirements |
| 19:27.49 | xingu | sereal: what does lspci | grep VGA say? |
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| 19:27.56 | twiggz | sereal: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 19:28.17 | snowbird | heh_v_water, any idea |
| 19:28.51 | stew | stuart-: then you have to backport that first. apt-get build-dep libsilc-dev && apt-get -b source libsilc-dev |
| 19:28.55 | sereal | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 71d4 |
| 19:29.02 | stew | snowbird: did you add those two lines to /etc/modules? |
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| 19:29.13 | snowbird | i cannot get etch to addem |
| 19:29.20 | snowbird | banned as root from cchanges |
| 19:29.24 | snowbird | i own the pc |
| 19:29.29 | snowbird | wtf |
| 19:29.30 | xand | !paste |
| 19:29.30 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 19:29.45 | simonrvn | snowbird: su - |
| 19:29.46 | xingu | sereal: you need the proprietry ati fgrlx driver; good luck with that. |
| 19:29.47 | xand | snowbird: you're not making very much sense |
| 19:29.56 | snowbird | ok iam frustrated now |
| 19:29.57 | sereal | ugh. |
| 19:30.02 | snowbird | hold on |
| 19:30.15 | heh_v_water | snowbird, you have to be root before you can do anything else, have to crawl before you can walk, sound seems to be the least of your problems right now |
| 19:30.18 | xingu | !tell sereal about fglrx |
| 19:30.23 | slidesinger | I am trying to run a console app that requires a mouse. I have the following modules loaded: usbmouse, usbhid, usbcore. Even so, every time I try to run the app, yet I continue to get the error, unable to open mouse. Does anyone know what I am missing? |
| 19:30.23 | snowbird | su- mins comand not found |
| 19:30.28 | sereal | thanks. |
| 19:30.35 | heh_v_water | su<SPACE>- |
| 19:30.40 | simonrvn | snowbird: look again |
| 19:30.41 | snowbird | isnt # root? |
| 19:30.42 | themill | !tell sereal about fglrx one-liner |
| 19:30.55 | xand | snowbird: what does "whoami" say? |
| 19:30.57 | heh_v_water | snowbird, whoami |
| 19:31.01 | stuart- | stew, unable to find source package for libsilc-dev |
| 19:31.13 | snowbird | ~# |
| 19:31.14 | apt | # is probably pound, or hash, or sometimes the number sign. a tic-tac-toe board |
| 19:31.17 | snowbird | thats what iam |
| 19:31.22 | xand | snowbird: what does "whoami" say? |
| 19:31.29 | sereal | so is there a package I can install or do I need to go searching ati for this? |
| 19:31.31 | snowbird | i got it now what |
| 19:31.45 | snowbird | simonrvn, |
| 19:31.58 | heh_v_water | snowbird, type "whoami" (minus quotes) in your command prompt |
| 19:32.10 | snowbird | root |
| 19:32.17 | heh_v_water | now do what stew told ya to |
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| 19:32.45 | frankr | h3sp4wn: you mean what driver am I using for the wireless? I don't know, I just use wireless-tools and ifconfig, I know its a prism chipset of som type |
| 19:33.44 | snowbird | i cant romeber comand |
| 19:33.57 | h3sp4wn | frankr: You will not be able to do what you want without either using wds or doing nat |
| 19:34.12 | xingu | # is the octothorpe; apt is an ignoramus. |
| 19:34.30 | frankr | h3sp4wn: I'm assuming one is easier then the other.. which one is simpler? |
| 19:34.38 | stew | ~# is also octothorpe |
| 19:34.38 | apt | stew: okay |
| 19:34.38 | snowbird | /etc/modules.conf: Permission denied |
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| 19:34.48 | snowbird | as root in shell |
| 19:34.50 | stew | snowbird: that is a file to edit, not a command to run |
| 19:35.04 | snowbird | then what? |
| 19:35.23 | snowbird | go to shell as root andtype waht? |
| 19:35.33 | cahoot_ | modules.conf? |
| 19:35.35 | stew | snowbird: then nothing. if you edit that file, add those two lines, you sound should work from then on after you reboot |
| 19:35.51 | snowbird | i cant edid |
| 19:35.51 | h3sp4wn | frankr: It depends - really if you can use wds then you want to - you can use nat if you have no other choice |
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| 19:36.14 | simonrvn | i can carry it, thanks for the offer ;) |
| 19:36.30 | snowbird | how aboughta gun instead |
| 19:36.38 | heh_v_water | snowbird type this in command prompt ls -lsa /etc|grep modules.conf |
| 19:36.41 | simonrvn | no need for that |
| 19:36.42 | frankr | h3sp4wn: Ah, ok. So - how do I use WDS? Is there a man page or something, or maybe some online stuff I could look through? |
| 19:37.02 | snowbird | kk now what stew |
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| 19:37.12 | heh_v_water | frankr, I believe it is in the wireless-tools documentation |
| 19:37.12 | h3sp4wn | frankr: well which prism chipset are you using and are you connecting it to a router or ? |
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| 19:37.20 | stew | snowbird: i don't know. what did you just do? |
| 19:37.23 | snowbird | 20 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17330 2007-08-08 13:46 modules.conf |
| 19:37.23 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.23 | softwork | debian stable or debian testing? |
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| 19:37.35 | frankr | h3sp4wn: it's ad-hoc actually |
| 19:37.35 | h3sp4wn | frankr: http://madwifi.org/wiki/AboutWDS (even though you are not using madwifi that might help you understand the issue) |
| 19:37.36 | snowbird | i cut here and dropped next to my root name |
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| 19:37.53 | softwork | advatange of using debian testing? |
| 19:38.00 | snowbird | no were geting sowere stew |
| 19:38.06 | softwork | is stable using debian testing? |
| 19:38.08 | antgel | !tell softwork about releases |
| 19:38.22 | softwork | i need last programs ersions |
| 19:38.24 | stew | snowbird: perhaps you would be better off in a channel where you can speak your native language |
| 19:38.26 | softwork | *versions |
| 19:38.46 | snowbird | not my english its my head |
| 19:38.52 | heh_v_water | hehe |
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| 19:38.59 | antgel | snowbird: it is both |
| 19:39.07 | snowbird | could be shot in the mind |
| 19:39.15 | softwork | i need last programs versions, i need debian testing? |
| 19:39.27 | softwork | debian stable dont have gast releases |
| 19:39.28 | snowbird | any how there two files there i brought up |
| 19:39.33 | softwork | last releases |
| 19:39.33 | snowbird | i cant config em |
| 19:39.44 | softwork | ex: pidgin, etc |
| 19:39.55 | softwork | i need debian testing? |
| 19:40.03 | snowbird | whast is next? |
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| 19:40.09 | heh_v_water | softwork, neither does testing, unstable has the latest but if your not knowledgable with linux, your in for a world of hurt |
| 19:40.14 | h3sp4wn | frankr: are you using the hostap driver ? |
| 19:40.15 | antgel | !tell softwork about pdo |
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| 19:40.39 | softwork | hmmm |
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| 19:41.02 | softwork | debian testing = unstable correct? |
| 19:41.07 | simonrvn | no |
| 19:41.13 | stew | snowbird: it would be recommended to run stable, and use backports for whatever packages you need newer than what is in stable: /msg dpkg backports |
| 19:41.17 | softwork | debia testing dont have problems? |
| 19:41.18 | antgel | softwork: read the message from the bot ffs |
| 19:41.23 | softwork | yes |
| 19:41.26 | stew | softwork: it would be recommended to run stable, and use backports for whatever packages you need newer than what is in stable: /msg dpkg backports |
| 19:41.29 | frankr | h3sp4wn: I'm not sure I know what that is, so I assume not |
| 19:41.30 | stew | snowbird: ignore that |
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| 19:41.56 | stew | softwork: testing always has problems. at the point when it has no more known problems, it becomes stable |
| 19:42.02 | stuart- | i installed a clean netinst and then xfce4. how do i enable mouse copy and paste? |
| 19:42.04 | snowbird | yeah stew with thouse two lines of text in shell now what? |
| 19:42.05 | frankr | h3sp4wn: I see some modules loaded named "orinoco" so I assume thats the driver I'm using |
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| 19:42.13 | stew | snowbird: nothing |
| 19:42.21 | snowbird | ok |
| 19:42.29 | frankr | h3sp4wn: orinoco, orinoco_cs, and hermes |
| 19:42.33 | softwork | because i need pidgin but is in testing |
| 19:42.34 | summer_s4 | how do i set up wireless internet with debian? |
| 19:42.38 | softwork | :/ |
| 19:42.40 | stew | snowbird: well i don't know. becuase i have trouble understanding you. what exactly was the last thing you did? |
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| 19:43.01 | snowbird | i got this for u stew |
| 19:43.14 | stew | snowbird: what? |
| 19:43.15 | snowbird | debian:~# ls -lsa /etc|grep modules.conf |
| 19:43.15 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.15 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.21 | stew | snowbird: plase don't paste in here |
| 19:43.21 | snowbird | that is in shell |
| 19:43.28 | snowbird | i didnt mean to |
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| 19:43.31 | antgel | stuart-: it should work out of the box |
| 19:43.32 | stew | snowbird: do you have a question? |
| 19:43.47 | snowbird | yes with thouse to files i cant edit |
| 19:43.48 | frankr | h3sp4wn: I gotta go for a bit.. I'll have to work on this when I get back |
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| 19:44.07 | summer_s4 | can someone tell me how to set up wireless internet with debian linux? |
| 19:44.30 | antgel | !tell summer_s4 about repeat |
| 19:44.57 | antgel | summer_s4: what have you done, what docs have you read, what software have you installed, and what errors do you get |
| 19:45.03 | stuart- | antgel, doesn't for me |
| 19:45.20 | stew | snowbird: how did you try to edit those files? |
| 19:45.39 | snowbird | i went ito config went to bottom and aded what u told me to |
| 19:45.46 | snowbird | and tried to save em |
| 19:45.48 | antgel | stuart-: in xorg or console? does mouse otherwise work ok? |
| 19:45.58 | stuart- | antgel, in xorg. mouse works okay |
| 19:46.03 | stew | snowbird: what does "i went ito config" mean? |
| 19:46.19 | stuart- | btw, what does D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up mean? |
| 19:46.20 | antgel | stuart-: and it doesn't work with /any/ apps? |
| 19:46.31 | snowbird | i went into etc forn that folder that ahd config on it |
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| 19:46.49 | stew | snowbird: what is "etc forn" |
| 19:46.52 | stuart- | antgel, ? mouse works fine with all apps. just in terminal it can't cut and paste |
| 19:46.54 | antgel | snowbird: one space between each word would make your poor english at least slightly readable |
| 19:47.09 | stuart- | antgel, oh sorry i meant for bash. |
| 19:47.12 | snowbird | etc is home then from |
| 19:47.15 | simonrvn | stuart-: highlight with left, paste with middle |
| 19:47.17 | antgel | stuart-: so you /can/ paste in e.g. emacs |
| 19:47.43 | stuart- | simonrvn, that works like a charm. thanks. |
| 19:47.49 | antgel | heh |
| 19:48.04 | antgel | simonrvn: i assumed he was doing that, wtf was he trying? |
| 19:48.06 | stew | snowbird: i don't understand you AT ALL. i really think you need to find a place where you can get help in your native language. |
| 19:48.09 | stuart- | so why do i get the error "D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up" when i try to start gaim? |
| 19:48.12 | simonrvn | antgel: *shrug* |
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| 19:48.24 | summer_s4 | how do i set up wireless internet with a usb port wireless adapter with wireless g on debian |
| 19:48.32 | stuart- | antgel, ctrl + c, ctrl + v, shift + insert.. haha |
| 19:48.37 | twiggz | centericq > * anyway |
| 19:48.38 | antgel | has anyone considered whether snowbird might be a troll? |
| 19:48.39 | snowbird | /etc/modules.con is were i am |
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| 19:48.43 | mesof | does anyone know how to cut multiple lines in nano? |
| 19:48.46 | snowbird | wahts a troll? |
| 19:48.52 | snowbird | whatsa troll? |
| 19:48.52 | antgel | stuart-: ah :) |
| 19:48.58 | simonrvn | i've noticed a trend the last weeks: people with very little *nix skills coming here and trying to do things over their heads |
| 19:49.23 | antgel | because he's playing the part superbly - i figure if you can get here you can't be /that/ dense |
| 19:49.47 | snowbird | angel iam not playing games trust me |
| 19:49.50 | stew | snowbird: he's saying that you are so hard to work with, that possibly you are being difficult on purpose |
| 19:49.54 | snowbird | trying as hard a s i can |
| 19:50.01 | mesof | does anyone know how to cut multiple lines in nano? |
| 19:50.09 | snowbird | not i have some disibilitys |
| 19:50.15 | antgel | simonrvn: s/a trend the last weeks:// |
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| 19:50.39 | simonrvn | right click, dig down to network, find xchat or irssi and blam, you're on irc.debian.org and #debian |
| 19:50.41 | snowbird | can i send some one that file to edit for me? |
| 19:50.46 | simonrvn | antgel: sadly |
| 19:51.02 | xingu | antgel: you missed s/\*nix / |
| 19:51.19 | antgel | xingu: hehe |
| 19:51.27 | simonrvn | snowbird: you'll have to learn sometime, now's a good time since you're presented with the opportunity |
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| 19:51.39 | simonrvn | xingu: heheh |
| 19:51.44 | Penggu | hi there. is there an equivalent for aptitude's selections for: apt-get -qq --print-uris dselect-upgrade ? |
| 19:51.52 | xingu | summer_s4: start with putting the output from lsusb -v (with the adapter attached) into a pastebin |
| 19:52.00 | xingu | !tell summer_s4 about pastebin |
| 19:52.02 | snowbird | with that file open were and how do i edit it |
| 19:52.03 | antgel | now /that's/ a question :P |
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| 19:52.18 | xingu | summer_s4: then at least someone will know what hardware you have. |
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| 19:52.24 | xand | snowbird: what program did you open it with? |
| 19:52.35 | anapivirtua | Good evening / Bonsoir |
| 19:52.38 | snowbird | konqueror |
| 19:52.40 | antgel | like, putting the extra spaces everywhere, that's not something that someone could do accidentally, surely |
| 19:52.41 | summer_s4 | xingu: i get a bash |
| 19:52.42 | xand | wtf |
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| 19:53.00 | xand | snowbird: that's not an editor... try nano |
| 19:53.05 | summer_s4 | debian isn |
| 19:53.07 | simonrvn | anapivirtua: kwe kwe |
| 19:53.09 | snowbird | ahh |
| 19:53.10 | summer_s4 | t for human beings |
| 19:53.20 | snowbird | nano then what |
| 19:53.21 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 19:53.39 | xand | "nano /etc/modules.conf" |
| 19:53.58 | [Jasper-2] | hej guys, how do I prevent a module from auto loading |
| 19:54.05 | stew | [Jasper-2]: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 19:54.08 | snowbird | what do i tell nano to do? |
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| 19:54.13 | cahoot_ | /etc/modules - not? |
| 19:54.17 | xand | snowbird: did you run that command? |
| 19:54.31 | edistar_ | snowbird: you'll see, you are opening the file that way |
| 19:54.33 | snowbird | i ran nano windo came up |
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| 19:55.07 | antgel | stew: i must admire your patience, every time i pass by my machine, you're helping him, but surely this can't be real? :D |
| 19:55.16 | snowbird | how do i import file to namo |
| 19:55.30 | stew | antgel: i dunno. you are witnessing the end of my patience |
| 19:55.32 | xand | snowbird: I already said, nano /etc/modules.conf |
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| 19:55.46 | stew | dunno why he would edit /etc/modules.conf |
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| 19:55.53 | edistar_ | snowbird: run 'nano /etc/modules.conf' |
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| 19:55.55 | stew | i'm done |
| 19:55.57 | bazz | is there a way i can figure out how the configure command was run for the postgres-8.2 package? |
| 19:56.05 | antgel | stew: it's no good even telling him to rtfm as he (allegedly) can't understand it |
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| 19:56.15 | xand | +edit |
| 19:56.22 | stew | dunno why he would edit that file |
| 19:56.26 | snowbird | got it open |
| 19:56.30 | antgel | bazz: download the source, check out debian/rules, and other files in debian/ |
| 19:56.32 | edistar_ | brilliant :P |
| 19:56.34 | snowbird | can post whats there |
| 19:56.40 | snowbird | in a paste |
| 19:57.02 | bazz | antgel: ahh, k, thanks |
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| 19:57.04 | xand | !wayttd snowbird |
| 19:57.04 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, snowbird? |
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| 19:57.14 | snowbird | fix my sound |
| 19:57.25 | xingu | xand: modules.conf went the way of the dodo after module-init-tools hit the scene. |
| 19:57.41 | snowbird | edit my /etc.modules.conf |
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| 19:57.49 | xingu | xand: modprobe is capable of parsing /etc/modprobe.d/* |
| 19:57.59 | TomJ | How do I shut down X without going to init 1? |
| 19:58.01 | edistar_ | snowbird: bit risky if you don't even know how to use an editor |
| 19:58.03 | xand | xingu: well I have no idea what he's doing to start with |
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| 19:58.12 | snowbird | i can use a editor |
| 19:58.20 | antgel | TomJ: you using a display manager? how did you start x? |
| 19:58.22 | xand | TomJ: ctrl-alt-f1, login, /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 19:58.31 | TomJ | xand: thanks |
| 19:58.38 | edistar_ | snowbird: okey, good luck |
| 19:58.40 | xand | assuming you're using gdm |
| 19:58.43 | snowbird | can not edit files in here |
| 19:58.45 | TomJ | Yeah I believe I am |
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| 19:58.46 | TomJ | thanks |
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| 19:59.04 | snowbird | need etc mod utilites |
| 19:59.04 | [Jasper-2] | lol |
| 19:59.09 | [Jasper-2] | I put dfme in blacklist |
| 19:59.11 | [Jasper-2] | and it still loads? |
| 19:59.19 | snowbird | edistar u were helping me goo i was going far with u |
| 19:59.24 | antgel | [Jasper-2]: did you rebuild your initrd? |
| 19:59.33 | [Jasper-2] | no? |
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| 19:59.36 | stew | [Jasper-2]: how did you add it to the blacklist? |
| 19:59.47 | [Jasper-2] | nano blacklist |
| 19:59.49 | [Jasper-2] | and added it |
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| 20:00.00 | stoned | um |
| 20:00.08 | stoned | yeah... |
| 20:00.41 | antgel | [Jasper-2]: did you read the comments at the top of the file? |
| 20:00.49 | snowbird | edistar_, |
| 20:01.28 | [Jasper-2] | antgel ? |
| 20:01.32 | [Jasper-2] | it's provided by udev? |
| 20:02.11 | antgel | [Jasper-2]: what's the what what? |
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| 20:03.18 | Toast | Hi All, I've got to reinstall my system after a crash. I was wondering if anyone could answer a few questions to help me better plan my reinstall. |
| 20:03.33 | xand | Toast: only if you ask them |
| 20:03.44 | Toast | I've lost /usr, /tmp and some of /var. I've backed up the remains of /var to another partition, and am planning to replace those three partitions on reinstall. Will the installer recoginse any of the existing system? |
| 20:03.58 | snowbird | i tried it then it said theer |
| 20:04.09 | Toast | most of my system is using lvm or md just to complicate things. |
| 20:04.12 | snowbird | i tried there was file to overwite said my permmison denied |
| 20:04.15 | antgel | Toast: not as far as i am aware *note sitting on fence* |
| 20:04.20 | Toast | :) |
| 20:04.37 | xand | snowbird: that's not possible unless you're not root, the filesystem is readonly |
| 20:04.57 | snowbird | xand i dont know whast broken someting is |
| 20:05.03 | [Jasper-2] | so antgel ? |
| 20:05.04 | stew | snowbird: what file are you trying to overwrite? |
| 20:05.06 | snowbird | maybe my card is to old |
| 20:05.06 | bazz | antgel: where do i get the source package that has the rules file? i found this: http://packages.debian.org/testing/source/postgresql-8.2, but the file there is just the standard postgres source |
| 20:05.09 | [Jasper-2] | should I add it in rc.local or what? |
| 20:05.16 | Toast | Can the installer even see existing LVM partitions? |
| 20:05.16 | stew | snowbird: this has nothing to do with your card |
| 20:05.17 | snowbird | stew i dont have a clue |
| 20:05.25 | snowbird | then etch is broken |
| 20:05.30 | antgel | bazz: apt-get source <whatever> |
| 20:05.33 | snowbird | something aint working |
| 20:05.43 | bazz | antgel: ahh |
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| 20:06.17 | stew | snowbird: what isn't working? |
| 20:06.30 | snowbird | the edit wont alow me to edit |
| 20:06.35 | stew | snowbird: so you are trying to overwrite a file? but you don't know which one? |
| 20:06.41 | [Jasper-2] | antgel ? |
| 20:06.43 | stew | snowbird: what are you trying to edit? |
| 20:06.46 | snowbird | nano didn't show me |
| 20:07.00 | snowbird | that same alsa one from long ago |
| 20:07.05 | stew | snowbird: so you don't know what you are trying to edit? |
| 20:07.16 | snowbird | sorta |
| 20:07.22 | mesof | lol |
| 20:07.26 | mesof | alsamixer, volume? |
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| 20:07.31 | Toast | Could I install a tiny system to /, then mount the LVM's, then use some other tool to install the rest of the system? |
| 20:07.54 | stew | snowbird: did you start nano as root? |
| 20:07.56 | snowbird | mesolf no alsa wont rember my card settings steve had two lines to edit |
| 20:08.05 | snowbird | stew nano was root |
| 20:08.25 | stew | snowbird: what file can't you overwrite? |
| 20:08.31 | loupgaroublond | Toast, lvm is built into the installer, you probably don't need that |
| 20:08.34 | snowbird | nano didnt say |
| 20:08.41 | stew | snowbird: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:08.55 | stew | snowbird: what key did you hit? |
| 20:08.58 | xand | edit modules.conf probably |
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| 20:09.03 | Toast | loupgaroublond: I used the installers lvm when I first installed. Is it able to see existing lvm partitions? |
| 20:09.05 | snowbird | cntl o |
| 20:09.10 | stew | why on earth would someone edit modules.conf? |
| 20:09.21 | loupgaroublond | Toast, yes |
| 20:09.24 | Uranellus | hello, could someone check in what debian package sfdisk is ? (I don't have a debian system here right now) |
| 20:09.30 | loupgaroublond | Toast, just use custom partitioning settings |
| 20:09.42 | cahoot_ | stew: IIRC someone told him to |
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| 20:10.12 | snowbird | cahoot now what? |
| 20:10.16 | xand | Uranellus: util-linux |
| 20:10.26 | Toast | loupgaroublond: Thanks. |
| 20:10.30 | Uranellus | xand: thanks |
| 20:10.32 | [Jasper-2] | can ANYONE tell me how to blacklist a module? I thought it was just adding it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 20:10.40 | [Jasper-2] | but that aint working, so can anyone tell me how it changed to? |
| 20:10.46 | snowbird | any clues leave it i gues |
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| 20:10.54 | antgel | !tell [Jasper-2] about blacklist |
| 20:10.58 | antgel | !tell [Jasper-2] about enter |
| 20:11.02 | xand | 2007-08-08 20:34:50 < stew> snowbird: that is a file to edit, not a command to run |
| 20:11.08 | xand | I think that's why ;) |
| 20:11.25 | stuart_ | what does " D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up " mean? |
| 20:11.30 | stew | bah |
| 20:11.36 | snowbird | xand nowwhat? |
| 20:11.42 | xand | snowbird: I have no idea. |
| 20:11.44 | stew | snowbird: you should be editing /etc/modules, not /etc/modules.conf |
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| 20:11.57 | snowbird | ahh |
| 20:12.33 | snowbird | ok steve it ahs someting there |
| 20:12.53 | snowbird | waht did u want me to edit steve |
| 20:12.55 | stew | snowbird: what is your native language? |
| 20:13.00 | snowbird | i see how to add now |
| 20:13.05 | snowbird | english steve |
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| 20:13.19 | simonrvn | stew, not steve ;) |
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| 20:13.25 | snowbird | sorry |
| 20:13.28 | stew | simonrvn: you have got to be kidding |
| 20:13.31 | stew | err |
| 20:13.43 | snowbird | stew touse names again please |
| 20:13.54 | stew | snowbird: touse? |
| 20:14.05 | simonrvn | i think 'to use' |
| 20:14.07 | snowbird | those things to add |
| 20:14.15 | snowbird | go slower il spell better |
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| 20:14.38 | stew | snowbird: so all of these mistakes you are making are just typing mistakes becuase you are being careless? not becuase you have trouble with english? |
| 20:15.04 | [Jasper-2] | maybe you should updatye your dpkg bot antgel, cuz that blacklisting aint working |
| 20:15.10 | xand | native speakers can have problems with spelling |
| 20:15.19 | xand | dyslexia etc |
| 20:15.38 | [Jasper-2] | I assume 2.6.18 = sid right? |
| 20:15.41 | snowbird | spelling gets bad when i go fast and mind goes out window |
| 20:15.48 | snowbird | got to too xand |
| 20:16.04 | stew | i'm speechless |
| 20:16.06 | snowbird | what are thosue to things to add? |
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| 20:16.15 | stew | i can't believe this was all just carelessness |
| 20:16.21 | stew | i'm so completely done helping |
| 20:16.29 | snowbird | no not careless ness |
| 20:16.38 | snowbird | no noo |
| 20:16.49 | antgel | [Jasper-2]: wrong |
| 20:16.54 | [Jasper-2] | erm |
| 20:16.55 | [Jasper-2] | etch |
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| 20:17.01 | snowbird | stew |
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| 20:17.16 | [Jasper-2] | what then antgel ? |
| 20:17.35 | stew | [Jasper-2]: how exactly did you try to add the blacklist. what exactly did you put into which file? |
| 20:17.37 | [Jasper-2] | these names get me so confused |
| 20:17.50 | [Jasper-2] | first of all .... kernel 2.6.18-4 is which name? |
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| 20:17.53 | simonrvn | !comfort stew |
| 20:17.53 | dpkg | There, there, stew. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 20:18.27 | [Jasper-2] | install dmfe /bin/true steve |
| 20:18.28 | [Jasper-2] | stew |
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| 20:18.58 | snowbird | wasn't careless ness got send on wrong file to eit |
| 20:18.58 | antgel | [Jasper-2]: kernel 2.6.18-4 is linux, and is the default kernel in debian etch |
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| 20:19.05 | [Jasper-2] | k |
| 20:19.34 | stew | snowbird: "got send on wrong file to eit" |
| 20:19.39 | stew | snowbird: what does that mean? |
| 20:19.48 | [Jasper-2] | so then according to dpkg I should add line: 'install dmfe /bin/true' to the blacklist file |
| 20:19.50 | snowbird | got sent to edit wrong file |
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| 20:19.56 | [Jasper-2] | then why aint that working? |
| 20:20.00 | snowbird | i am done know stew i think it work |
| 20:20.19 | stew | snowbird: you need to start speaking english immediately |
| 20:20.29 | snowbird | ok |
| 20:20.40 | snowbird | u wan't someting? |
| 20:20.41 | stew | snowbird: seriously. are you trying to be funny? or cute? |
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| 20:20.47 | snowbird | neither |
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| 20:21.28 | [Jasper-2] | so stew, you know what I'm doing wrong with this blacklist thingie? |
| 20:21.32 | stew | snowbird: if you are making mistakes becuase you are typing too fast, then slow down. type in complete sentences. |
| 20:21.42 | snowbird | right stew |
| 20:21.53 | snowbird | and dont follow outher folks |
| 20:22.08 | stew | outher? |
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| 20:23.03 | xand | also, /msg dpkg u |
| 20:23.17 | snowbird | i put those commands in |
| 20:23.37 | snowbird | now how do i save justify? |
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| 20:24.17 | snowbird | nano save is justify? |
| 20:24.23 | xand | what? |
| 20:24.25 | xand | ctrl-x |
| 20:24.31 | stew | snowbird: what do you mean by justify? |
| 20:24.36 | snowbird | save |
| 20:24.40 | stew | snowbird: what do you mean by justify? |
| 20:24.43 | snowbird | is justify way to save |
| 20:24.50 | xand | Justify is one of the options... presumably it aligns text |
| 20:25.05 | [Jasper-2] | guys, is there some kind of #debian-chat channel around where you do actually get some help? |
| 20:25.13 | xand | snowbird: press ctrl-x, it'll ask if you want to save. |
| 20:25.36 | snowbird | iam done |
| 20:25.38 | antgel | [Jasper-2]: why are you moaning, did you retain us or something? |
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| 20:25.54 | snowbird | if stew would of told me that all needed to be done |
| 20:25.56 | stew | [Jasper-2]: does dmfe appear in /etc/modules? |
| 20:25.59 | azeem | [Jasper-2]: this one |
| 20:26.03 | edistar | hello! Can you help me? A friend has somehow managed to destroy his ext3... it keeps saying bad blocks and it won't boot debian anymore.. he can access his /dev/hda1 from a livecd but can't mount it as its broken.. any tips on how to repair it? e2fsck or so? |
| 20:26.08 | thisiz | wanted to know if there are any admins who use debian as a server with no gui? al config is done using cmd line ? |
| 20:26.20 | antgel | edistar: maybe it's a disk issue? |
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| 20:26.21 | xand | thisiz: yes, most |
| 20:26.21 | edistar | thisiz: me |
| 20:26.22 | snowbird | i was after .conf that whats made em look so dumb |
| 20:26.24 | antgel | thisiz: many |
| 20:26.27 | snowbird | let me try it |
| 20:26.29 | zinx | edi: copy all the data to a good disk first |
| 20:26.31 | edistar | antgel: could be.. but can I check that somehow? |
| 20:26.31 | [Jasper-2] | no it doesn't stew |
| 20:26.44 | edistar | antgel: but it does boot grub etc.. |
| 20:26.46 | [Jasper-2] | it does show in lsmod however, eventhough I specifically told it not too load |
| 20:26.53 | [Jasper-2] | via /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 20:26.53 | thisiz | nice to know |
| 20:26.57 | stew | 14:00 < stew> snowbird: edit /etc/modules and add snd_ens1371 to the end of the file |
| 20:26.58 | antgel | edistar: check the logs during the fsck |
| 20:27.03 | antgel | eb |
| 20:27.03 | stew | snowbird: i said that 1.5 hours ago |
| 20:27.08 | edistar | fsck itself doesn't return errors |
| 20:27.09 | antgel | oops |
| 20:27.23 | antgel | edistar: so what's the error on mount? |
| 20:27.30 | [Jasper-2] | stew: the only thing in /etc/modules is loop |
| 20:27.35 | thisiz | anybody using rt-tracker? |
| 20:27.42 | xand | !anyone |
| 20:27.42 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 20:27.43 | antgel | !tell thisiz about anyone |
| 20:28.28 | stew | [Jasper-2]: i have never seen that "install dmfe /bin/true" before. afaik the syntax is just "blacklist dmfe" |
| 20:28.28 | thisiz | sorry ppl |
| 20:28.40 | edistar | antgel: wron fs type, bad option, bad superblock on 7dev7hda, |
| 20:28.45 | [Jasper-2] | yes stew, well dpkg told me to do it that way for edge |
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| 20:28.55 | [Jasper-2] | !tell [Jasper-2] blacklist |
| 20:28.56 | edistar | antgel: missing codepage or other error |
| 20:29.02 | stew | [Jasper-2]: yes, i see that. |
| 20:29.16 | antgel | on the other hand, the blacklist factoid worked great for me the other week, but [Jasper-2] didn't tell us whether he rebuilt his initrd |
| 20:29.17 | edistar | antgel: sry, wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda |
| 20:29.31 | thisiz | is there an equivalent of ctrl, alt del in debian? |
| 20:29.40 | stew | thisiz: ctrl-alt-del |
| 20:29.40 | edistar | thisiz: you mean reboot? |
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| 20:29.54 | thisiz | as in windows task manager |
| 20:29.56 | stew | thisiz: yeah, wait, what were you hopiing "ctrl-alt-del" would do? |
| 20:30.06 | antgel | edistar: if fdisk -l looks okay, and fsck really looks okay, then try to restore a superblock. i don't remember how, try asking dpkg or searching the web |
| 20:30.11 | edistar | thisiz: you can set that |
| 20:30.12 | stew | thisiz: not ctrl-alt-delete in debian |
| 20:30.15 | aryr100 | hello all got a noob ? |
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| 20:30.27 | antgel | aryr100: got lots, you want one? |
| 20:30.38 | stew | antgel: he told us he didn't. would an ethernet module end up in the initrd? |
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| 20:31.05 | thisiz | what is the equivalent of task manager in debian? |
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| 20:31.14 | edistar | antgel: sry, but how do I ask dpkg again? |
| 20:31.18 | antgel | stew: it was an ethernet module that i blacklisted, and only after regenerating the initrd, did it work |
| 20:31.21 | snowbird | that did not help |
| 20:31.21 | aryr100 | I have a AMD Mobile Duron Processor - 900 MHz ! is this the correct download package debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/bt-dvd ? |
| 20:31.24 | stew | antgel: ok |
| 20:31.25 | snowbird | all that work |
| 20:31.26 | TomJ | Is there a way to install all the development packages in one go? I am using the Synaptic Package Manager, and there's a million packages under Development. I've installed gcc, kernel sources, kernel headers, but now for example I need libc. is there an easier way than choosing everything indiviually? I want all the normal development tools |
| 20:31.26 | antgel | !tell edistar about msg the bot |
| 20:31.27 | [Jasper-2] | erm antgel how do I rebuild the initrd ? |
| 20:31.34 | stew | [Jasper-2]: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 20:31.36 | edistar | aryr100: it will do nicely |
| 20:31.38 | snowbird | il try aother card |
| 20:31.45 | aryr100 | & do I need all 3 dvd's ? |
| 20:31.46 | antgel | !tell TomJ about b-e |
| 20:31.52 | h3sp4wn | aryr100: yes install a k7 kernel |
| 20:31.53 | [Jasper-2] | stew: 2.6.18-4-sparc64 |
| 20:31.55 | stew | snowbird: you have to speak english in here |
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| 20:32.03 | TomJ | thanks antgel |
| 20:32.06 | snowbird | stew i will |
| 20:32.08 | xand | thisiz: try top |
| 20:32.14 | snowbird | i thank you for u help |
| 20:32.23 | stew | [Jasper-2]: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.18-4-sparc64 |
| 20:32.25 | edistar | aryr100: no, only the first cd |
| 20:32.27 | snowbird | ill try go slow and use my spell checker |
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| 20:32.44 | aryr100 | yes install a k7 kernel ! is this in the package I have selected ? |
| 20:32.48 | slump | anyone using squid +ntlm_auth? |
| 20:32.53 | slump | Aug 8 13:29:07 lero squid[4294]: The basicauthenticator helpers are crashing too rapidly, need help! |
| 20:32.54 | snowbird | stew they didn't hold |
| 20:32.58 | slump | everything working fine |
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| 20:33.03 | aryr100 | kk thx what are the other 2 dvd for ? |
| 20:33.04 | edistar | aryr100: it will contain the k7 |
| 20:33.06 | slump | just when squid start i got some of this messages |
| 20:33.08 | stuart- | i'm using a GeForce2 MX400 card, and I installed nvidia-glx. then edited X11.conf to 'nvidia' and enabled glx. but i couldn't start X. how can i run nvidia? |
| 20:33.37 | stuart- | I also tried nvidia-glx-legacy, and changing 'nvidia' to 'nv'. all to no avail. |
| 20:33.40 | stew | snowbird: put the output of "lsmod" and the output of "cat /etc/modules" into a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:33.47 | [Jasper-2] | stew: ok it's executing, 1 second |
| 20:34.10 | xand | if I'm using --files-from option with rsync, how do I specify src in the command line? |
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| 20:34.31 | thisiz | xand: will try it now thanks |
| 20:34.35 | stew | [Jasper-2]: wait. i'm assuming that the kernel you are running now is the one you want to make sure doesn't auto-load this module. is that correct? |
| 20:35.03 | kanzure | I want to move away from my web mail interface. Any suggestions? I've never used a real mail client before. |
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| 20:35.42 | edistar | kanzure: icedove will do nicely |
| 20:35.44 | antgel | kanzure: it's a holy war. usual suspects are mutt, thunderbird (icedove), evolution, kmail, pine. oh, and /msg dpkg polls :) |
| 20:35.45 | [Jasper-2] | yes correct stew |
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| 20:36.04 | [Jasper-2] | stew: Not updating initrd symbolic links since we are being updated/reinstalled |
| 20:36.04 | [Jasper-2] | (2.6.18.dfsg.1-12 was configured last, according to dpkg) |
| 20:36.05 | edistar | kanzure: what do you want... a lot of comfort or just quick mailreading? |
| 20:36.14 | antgel | [Jasper-2]: by the way, this info was in the factoid, viz. where it said IMPORTANT |
| 20:36.37 | snowbird | were is paste bin link |
| 20:36.43 | kanzure | edistar: Quick mail reading, ability to save mail to folders maybe for 'organization', etc. |
| 20:36.48 | streuner | !paste |
| 20:36.48 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 20:36.53 | kanzure | edistar: I get large volumes of mail (500 unread atm, oops) |
| 20:37.20 | Siddharta | do you know where we can compare the number of vrsion of apps on etch and apps on lenny because i'm using debian on a laptop and i'm wondering about upgrading to Lenny |
| 20:37.40 | antgel | !tell Siddharta about pdo |
| 20:37.45 | snowbird | how to paste |
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| 20:37.50 | [Jasper-2] | anything else I should do after that command stew? |
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| 20:38.08 | stew | [Jasper-2]: no, that should be it |
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| 20:38.17 | [Jasper-2] | ok |
| 20:38.18 | [Jasper-2] | rebooting then |
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| 20:38.57 | nvz | oh boy, mark it on your calendar.. nvz finally gets an LCD monitor! |
| 20:39.02 | antgel | Siddharta: you wouldn't have thought that there's a "Debian Packages" link on www.debian.org |
| 20:39.09 | mumbles | right - im trying to get debian to automount my ntfs drivers - i have followed seveal faq's that are on the net but havent managed to get anything working - has anyoen got a good walkthough ? |
| 20:39.17 | kanzure | Okay, any other mail clients I should check out? (icedove/thunderbird, mutt, evolution, kmail, sylpheed, pine) |
| 20:39.19 | antgel | nvz: welcome to the year 2000 |
| 20:39.25 | nvz | antgel: heh |
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| 20:39.31 | mumbles | nvz: least you dident get a widescreen that onley offers crappy resolutions - |
| 20:39.40 | mumbles | or at least ones that linux cant do |
| 20:39.41 | antgel | kanzure: no |
| 20:39.43 | snowbird | http://rafb.net/p/YHjjie41.html |
| 20:39.50 | snowbird | my post |
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| 20:40.13 | nvz | mumbles: na I bought one of those for the secretary.. thats why I got this one.. she thinks that WS one is the shit.. it rotates so she can do page view |
| 20:40.19 | antgel | mumbles: i suggest you pastebin /etc/fstab, fdisk -l, and the relevant errors |
| 20:40.28 | snowbird | stew me too |
| 20:40.30 | [GNU]Order | I'm trying to add a user, the group exists in both /etc/groups and /etc/gshadow before the useradd command is run but I still get an error that group doesn't exist. http://rafb.net/p/ORwu7M37.html |
| 20:40.41 | mumbles | one pastbin commign up |
| 20:40.45 | stew | snowbird: do you see anything wrong with /etc/modules? |
| 20:40.47 | mumbles | i think ive got it right though :P |
| 20:41.39 | snowbird | i dont get u stew |
| 20:41.42 | aryr100 | in this package debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/bt-dvd what are the 2 other dvd's for ? |
| 20:41.43 | slump | hey, i set squid+ntlm, everything is working fine, wbinfo, wbinfo_group.pl from squid, but when i start squid i got: http://rafb.net/p/vBU84369.nln.html, anyone have an idea? |
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| 20:42.44 | [Jasper-2] | one last question stew, how can I automatically ifup eth1 ? |
| 20:42.48 | stew | snowbird: instead of adding "snd_ens1371" you added "snd_enns1371". instead of adding "snd-pcm-oss" you added "snd-pcm-osssnd_ens1371" |
| 20:43.04 | snowbird | kk |
| 20:43.23 | [GNU]Order | why would apt-get keep some files from upgrading? |
| 20:43.29 | stew | [Jasper-2]: make sure eth1 is configured in /etc/network/interfaces and add a line that says "auto eth1" |
| 20:43.37 | stew | [GNU]Order: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 20:43.59 | snowbird | ok stew il be more carefull |
| 20:44.19 | mumbles | antgel: http://paste.uni.cc/16921 |
| 20:44.24 | stew | snowbird: its just a waste of time to try to help you |
| 20:44.32 | snowbird | no |
| 20:45.19 | edistar | snowbird: is't this taking ages already? |
| 20:45.25 | snowbird | no |
| 20:45.34 | [Jasper-2] | what is snowbird actually trying to accomplish? |
| 20:45.46 | stew | [Jasper-2]: he's been trying to add two lines to a file for the last two hours |
| 20:45.55 | [Jasper-2] | oh, that's nice |
| 20:45.59 | edistar | [Jasper-2]: get his sound to work |
| 20:46.16 | [Jasper-2] | and how much progress did he make in these 2 hours stew? 1,5 line? |
| 20:46.40 | edistar | tell him about >> and soon all his modules will be gone cause he only does one > ;) |
| 20:46.47 | cahoot_ | actualy 2.5 but not totally corret |
| 20:46.56 | cahoot_ | doh |
| 20:46.59 | stew | edistar: yes, actually this is why I avoided telling him about that in the first place |
| 20:47.09 | antgel | mumbles: you don't need sudo as root. the error is clear enough, you haven't created your mountpoints. usual to have them under /mnt, not in the root directory. also, why waste keystrokes by making them capitalised? |
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| 20:47.17 | Siddharta | antgel: in fact i did'nt though we use the same link to compare between branch |
| 20:47.22 | edistar | stew: good luck then :P |
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| 20:47.37 | edistar | why don't you send him the corrected file so he just has to replace? |
| 20:47.41 | edistar | can't be that hard |
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| 20:48.09 | Siddharta | in fact i try to consider advantages and disavantages of upgrading to Lenny for a laptop |
| 20:48.11 | mumbles | ah - guess ive had a bit to much to drink ... |
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| 20:48.43 | antgel | Siddharta: do you need newer apps? if not, what's the point? |
| 20:48.46 | antgel | imo |
| 20:48.48 | stew | edistar: becuase that's not how i do things. |
| 20:49.07 | edistar | stew: well.. but in this case.. |
| 20:49.12 | antgel | mumbles: what part of "mount point /C does not exist" did you not get? :) |
| 20:49.51 | snowbird | asjking for less help leave more stuff broken |
| 20:49.52 | antgel | edistar: he needs to go and work on his english and comprehension to get help here, stew has been saint-like, nobody else can be bothered |
| 20:49.57 | snowbird | stew is right |
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| 20:51.00 | edistar | antgel: true |
| 20:51.00 | [GNU]Order | thanks stew |
| 20:51.31 | edistar | thx |
| 20:51.45 | stew | i tried really hard for a long time to help him. especially since i thought he was really struggling with english, and his english was really really hard to understand. it really angered me to find out after hours that he was a native english speaker that was just completely careless |
| 20:51.46 | antgel | edistar: i think, despite the reputation for flaming, most people here go the extra mile to help, but this is unsalvagable |
| 20:52.16 | streuner | stew: haha |
| 20:53.02 | mumbles | If you are going to ask for help at least type your question so that other people can understand it:P |
| 20:53.16 | h3sp4wn | Siddharta: Is your laptop particularly new ? |
| 20:53.17 | streuner | stew: sorry, i just saw the same thing, but in _different_ words in another channel ... :-) |
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| 20:53.44 | Siddharta | h3sp4wn: it is a lenovo 3000 v100 |
| 20:53.55 | bolt | help! I get a whole shitload of "kernel: NET: 2837 messages suppressed." in my /var/log/messages. The message above it all is just "kernel: eth0: Using EEPROM-set media 100baseTx-FDX.". I don't think that's the repeated message. I keep getting the NET: lines every 10 seconds or so, with anything between 1000 and 5000 suppressed messages. WTF? |
| 20:53.59 | Siddharta | 3945 ABG wifi |
| 20:55.14 | h3sp4wn | Siddharta: You can just get a new kernel from backports.org if that is all you need |
| 20:55.19 | snowbird | do new sound cards re configure alsa or would u have to redo this work |
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| 20:55.45 | Siddharta | h3sp4wn: i am already under 2.6.21 |
| 20:55.51 | mumbles | ok - both the ntfs drivers ive tried have failed on me. odd |
| 20:55.56 | craigevil | Siddharta: if the problem is with wifi you may want to check out: http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi |
| 20:56.11 | mumbles | goes to do another googler serch |
| 20:56.14 | h3sp4wn | Siddharta: what do you want from lenny ? |
| 20:56.25 | edistar | antgel: I always try to help if my limited knowledge helps, but snowy is really not to be helped |
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| 20:57.07 | mumbles | google |
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| 20:57.32 | antgel | edistar: he doesn't even read 90% of the advice, i smell troll |
| 20:58.06 | Siddharta | for the moment i think just some hope of better sound and wifi |
| 20:58.23 | Siddharta | but it is not sufficient for upgrading |
| 20:58.48 | antgel | Siddharta: what h3sp4wn said about kernel ^^ |
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| 20:59.08 | Siddharta | yes i'am already in 2.6.21 |
| 20:59.18 | Siddharta | with backports |
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| 20:59.58 | h3sp4wn | Siddharta: what does cat /proc/asound/version say |
| 21:00.30 | mumbles | odd.. still no luck |
| 21:00.47 | snowbird | antgel, were u from? |
| 21:00.52 | Siddharta | Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.14rc3 (Wed Mar 14 07:25:50 2007 UTC). |
| 21:01.10 | antgel | !tell snowbird about u |
| 21:01.18 | h3sp4wn | Siddharta: You are unlikely to have much change with sound switching to lenny |
| 21:01.46 | snowbird | you |
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| 21:02.02 | antgel | snowbird: .uk |
| 21:02.11 | cahoot_ | u?k |
| 21:02.17 | snowbird | kool |
| 21:02.38 | snowbird | how u tell alsa to set volume low on boot up? |
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| 21:03.19 | antgel | u k |
| 21:03.28 | snowbird | kool antgel |
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| 21:03.55 | wfq | hello |
| 21:03.59 | [Jasper-2] | you guys have some knowladeg about sparc having problems with iptables? |
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| 21:04.42 | wfq | what could I use to know what hardware I have on a server? I could use lspci, lsdev and even going through proc but |
| 21:04.48 | wfq | is there a command to use it? |
| 21:04.59 | h3sp4wn | wfq: lshw ? |
| 21:05.25 | cahoot_ | hwinfo? |
| 21:05.33 | stew | wfq: ther is lspci, lsusb, lshw, hwinfo, dmidecode depending on what exactly you are looking for |
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| 21:06.30 | wfq | stew, for example how big is my hard disk, what cpu I have, how much memory |
| 21:06.51 | [Jasper-2] | like sysinfo? |
| 21:06.54 | h3sp4wn | wfq: I guess you could use something like infobash |
| 21:07.07 | cahoot_ | snowbird: the default mixersettings seem to be set in /etc/init.d/alsa-utils - should be possible to modify there |
| 21:07.11 | stew | wfq: cat /proc/meminfo /proc/cpuinfo ; fdisk -l |
| 21:07.26 | Siddharta | i need a graphical file comparer for debian , except Kompare, do you have something to advice ? |
| 21:07.26 | snowbird | maybe |
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| 21:07.54 | wfq | stew, I knew them but I meant one on command as h3sp4wn said |
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| 21:08.04 | Trollinator | how come debian doesn't contain webmin packages any more? |
| 21:08.15 | stoned | cuz webmin sucks ballsacks |
| 21:08.18 | Xoris | because it's deprecated i believe |
| 21:08.20 | peterS | Trollinator: because nobody was willing to maintain it |
| 21:08.22 | stoned | hairy sweaty nasty ballsacks |
| 21:08.25 | stoned | ahem |
| 21:08.27 | h3sp4wn | wfq: try infobash if you want - http://sidux.com/debian/pool/main/i/infobash/infobash_2.67_all.deb - just run infobash -v3 from a shell |
| 21:08.29 | stoned | peterS: whats up my man |
| 21:08.37 | RockerMONO | inaety: dude you here? |
| 21:08.38 | snowbird | cahoot can i paste u whats is there |
| 21:08.50 | snowbird | hey rocko mono |
| 21:08.50 | Trollinator | strange, i thought it were quite popular... |
| 21:08.55 | cahoot_ | snowbird: don't bother - I already have the file |
| 21:08.58 | peterS | stoned: just got my newegg.com order - new laptop disk and 512 MB laptop memory. this should allow me to finally use the laptop someone gave me that had a bad drive |
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| 21:09.13 | snowbird | kk i don't see edit |
| 21:09.28 | stoned | peterS: nice |
| 21:09.28 | peterS | stoned: we'll see how it goes. gonna try the etch installer for the first time (haven't had a new machine to configure since etch came out) |
| 21:09.32 | RockerMONO | hey snowbird |
| 21:09.40 | snowbird | hey |
| 21:09.41 | stoned | peterS: hehe I've installed many |
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| 21:09.55 | RockerMONO | snowbird: hah i almost nuked the computer i'm rebuilding |
| 21:10.00 | peterS | stoned: I spent $107, we'll see if that gets me a P4 laptop with 768 MB of RAM, or if it was just money down the drain (: |
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| 21:10.15 | stoned | peterS: a laptop with onboard ram, memtest fails.. customer is pissed! I'm like dude, you're fucked |
| 21:10.18 | stoned | heh |
| 21:10.23 | RockerMONO | hey stoned |
| 21:10.25 | stoned | hi |
| 21:10.27 | xand | stoned: learn to solder ;) |
| 21:10.27 | snowbird | wow rocker i was in deb i got steered roong took long to fix iam not liked there |
| 21:10.38 | winmutt | how do i tell if my xeon support 64bit? |
| 21:10.46 | winmutt | its model 4 stepping 10 |
| 21:10.52 | winmutt | google does not seem to be helping |
| 21:10.55 | RockerMONO | snowbird: i rebuilt a computer and forgot to install the fan :) |
| 21:10.56 | stoned | xand: umm.. I have a brilliant electrnics hacker/tech and said it is not worth replacing |
| 21:11.01 | cahoot_ | snowbird: aware you still speak in #debian? |
| 21:11.10 | peterS | stoned: it seems buying 3rd-party RAM for laptops is a bit hit-n-miss. I read some reviews on newegg.com before buying, it was depressing. lots of people complaining that their ram was DOA. I spent a couple extra bucks for a brand that had fewer complaints, but it's still a crapshoot |
| 21:11.12 | stoned | xand: if we do it, the custoemr would be charged a lot, and he doesn't wanna spend money on this |
| 21:11.13 | snowbird | not here i ment on google |
| 21:11.22 | krazykit | winmutt, i think there's a cpu flag for 64-bit in /proc/cpu, but i'm not familiar with it |
| 21:11.25 | snowbird | multui task |
| 21:11.32 | stoned | peterS: always that is the case |
| 21:11.33 | snowbird | oops google said someting not here |
| 21:11.47 | RockerMONO | snowbird: if you ever rebuild a computer, dont forget the fan =p |
| 21:11.50 | snowbird | what fan u forgot to install |
| 21:11.50 | peterS | stoned: and I'm talking about SODIMMs, not onboard soldered, like you're talking about.. |
| 21:11.57 | RockerMONO | snowbird: the CPU fan... |
| 21:11.58 | snowbird | yeah rocker |
| 21:12.01 | birunko | Hey debian guys, am I wrong or `dpkg --print-architecture` always print 'i386' when it's running in any x86 arch? |
| 21:12.09 | snowbird | if u install debain i think u need omb sound |
| 21:12.21 | xand | birunko: that's the arch, so it's correct |
| 21:12.22 | antgel | birunko: correct |
| 21:12.36 | xand | snowbird: rubbish |
| 21:12.54 | RockerMONO | snowbird: nope, i didn't have to install any special audio things of any sort |
| 21:12.59 | snowbird | for some yeah rubbish but for me they work better |
| 21:13.10 | peterS | birunko: if you want something more specific try 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'. the dpkg architecture is a label to distinguish whether binary packages will work, so it is much more general. |
| 21:13.12 | h3sp4wn | winmutt: I think its the lm flag but check it |
| 21:13.30 | stoned | peterS: I learned how to replace laptop motherboards and ram and screens and change cpus etc. etc. |
| 21:13.44 | RockerMONO | snowbird: heh so... i think with this setup it might need a second fan =p |
| 21:13.48 | stoned | pits pretty cool |
| 21:13.50 | peterS | stoned: doesn't sound like much fun. though the CPU has its own access panel in this model, at least. |
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| 21:14.35 | antgel | woah |
| 21:14.40 | peterS | antgel: yeah, it seems we have fewer of those stupid bitchx quit messages than we did 2 years ago |
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| 21:15.04 | antgel | peterS: it was the bots / zombies / whatever, they killed me |
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| 21:15.57 | RockerMONO | hm... |
| 21:16.18 | birunko | hmm, cos i'm building a package that is supposed to run just in 486 or higher |
| 21:16.23 | RockerMONO | anyone ever rebuilt a computer and used 2 feet of duct tape and a foot of 2x4s in the rpocess? :) |
| 21:16.34 | RockerMONO | **process |
| 21:16.35 | peterS | birunko: debian only supports 486 and higher |
| 21:16.48 | Xoris | uh? no 386? |
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| 21:17.12 | peterS | Xoris: nope. the kernel and glibc stopped supporting 386, so there was no point in trying to support it from other apps |
| 21:17.25 | Xoris | didn't know. |
| 21:17.37 | peterS | Xoris: if you must use your 15-year-old computer with debian, you have to use a 3-year-old Debian |
| 21:17.46 | stoned | peterS: its a lot of fun actually. Not only do I manage this place, but instead of watching youtube all day, I actually learn repairs on laptops from tech |
| 21:17.49 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.55 | stoned | peterS: its fun for me anyway |
| 21:18.05 | snowbird | i found on omb sound alsa does that on sound card no |
| 21:18.06 | birunko | peterS, so I have to label this package as a i386? |
| 21:18.08 | Xoris | peterS: are security updates still released? |
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| 21:18.13 | birunko | because i'm always getting this msg |
| 21:18.14 | birunko | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.26 | antgel | birunko: how are you building the package? |
| 21:18.28 | RockerMONO | peterS: is that why i couldn't get Debian working on this 12 year old computer? :) |
| 21:18.35 | peterS | birunko: how did you get a package architecture of "i586"? I didn't know dpkg could do that |
| 21:19.11 | peterS | Xoris: some security updates are released for sarge (oldstable) still. mozilla was recently _not_ updated in sarge, because it would have been too much trouble. |
| 21:19.19 | Siddharta | i thank you for your advice and i wish you a good night |
| 21:19.35 | peterS | RockerMONO: there could be many reasons for that. for example, your 12-year-old computer may not have enough RAM to run the installer. I guess 32 MB is required nowadays. |
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| 21:19.42 | Xoris | peterS: well, i admit that i doubt anyone would run mozilla on a 386 anyway |
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| 21:20.03 | peterS | Xoris: yeah, well. |
| 21:20.11 | RockerMONO | peterS: it hits the mark dead on =p it loaded everything but wouldn't run the installer =\ the install option wasn't on the list |
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| 21:20.23 | RockerMONO | peterS: with exactly 32MB of RAM haha |
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| 21:20.32 | bolt | help! I get a whole shitload of "kernel: NET: 2837 messages suppressed." in my /var/log/messages. The message above it all is just "kernel: eth0: Using EEPROM-set media 100baseTx-FDX.". I don't think that's the repeated message. I keep getting the NET: lines every 10 seconds or so, with anything between 1000 and 5000 suppressed messages. WTF? |
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| 21:20.43 | peterS | RockerMONO: I forget whether the recommendation is 32 or 64 MB now. anyway, there could be many reasons for an installer not to run on a PC from 1995 |
| 21:21.06 | thelostbutler | hello folks i get error File size limit exceeded$HTTPD -f $CONF_FILE for apache on sarge system. i checked the error log. it is about 2.1G. i am using a 2.4 kernel. was there a file size limit problem with 2.4 kernels ? |
| 21:21.10 | RockerMONO | peterS: don matter, rebuilt it and it runs from a floppy drive only now =p |
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| 21:21.44 | peterS | thelostbutler: no, there is a file size limit problem with apache2 on sarge. I don't remember whether apache (i.e., apache 1.3) has this problem. |
| 21:21.54 | peterS | thelostbutler: apache2 in etch has no such limit, though |
| 21:22.07 | peterS | thelostbutler: and yes, the sarge apache2 limit is 2 GB |
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| 21:23.19 | thelostbutler | peterS: is there a way to fix it ? or just rotate the logs ? |
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| 21:24.02 | peterS | thelostbutler: there's no easy way to fix it. just rotate the logs. |
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| 21:24.32 | peterS | thelostbutler: the problem is pretty fundamental to apache 2.0 (and possibly apache 1.3). the apache devs tried to fix it before the sarge release but the patch caused more problems than it fixed |
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| 21:24.57 | Gm4n | Where would I change who my mail server sends a copy of bounced emails to? The server is running sendmail. |
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| 21:25.21 | peterS | Gm4n: /etc/aliases, the postmaster alias |
| 21:25.29 | peterS | Gm4n: and after editing that file, run 'newaliases' |
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| 21:25.42 | Gm4n | thank you, peterS =) |
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| 21:26.09 | peterS | Gm4n: is your nick related to the m4 macro language which sendmail uses for its configuration? just curious |
| 21:26.18 | Gm4n | no, sorry |
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| 21:26.26 | snowbird | ahh |
| 21:26.30 | thelostbutler | peterS: okay cool thanks. will rotate the logs :) |
| 21:26.39 | RockerMONO | snowbird: ? |
| 21:26.46 | snowbird | what mobo? |
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| 21:27.01 | RockerMONO | snowbird: why the "ahh"? lol |
| 21:27.08 | kenji | guys I build a raid (per software) in debian it is sda6 and I wanna mount it in /vz but I can't, it show windu:/# mount /dev/sda6 /vz/ |
| 21:27.08 | kenji | mount: should specification file system |
| 21:27.14 | kenji | can you give me a hand? |
| 21:27.23 | snowbird | i wounder if i stuck new one in here what etch would doo |
| 21:27.34 | Gm4n | kenji: did you format your raid? |
| 21:27.44 | RockerMONO | snowbird: new what? |
| 21:27.45 | peterS | kenji: you said software raid, that should be /dev/md0 or /dev/md1 or similar |
| 21:27.47 | Gm4n | just because you made a raid doesn't mean it has a filesystem on it |
| 21:27.50 | snowbird | mobo ram |
| 21:27.55 | snowbird | and omb sound card |
| 21:28.07 | kenji | Gm4n and Gm4n mke2fs 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006) |
| 21:28.07 | kenji | /dev/sda6 is apparently in use by the system |
| 21:28.18 | RockerMONO | snowbird: it would find it and if it doesn't support it you can probably find the drivers |
| 21:28.45 | snowbird | yeah i wonder if new hdware would crash |
| 21:28.51 | aronofsky | hi, can anyone explain me why libsasl2 is broken exactly , i dont really get it ? |
| 21:29.00 | birunko | peterS, sorry, I was busy! =) well, I just added it inside the control file. There's an architecture field |
| 21:29.14 | kenji | tnks peterS and Gm4n, it is working |
| 21:29.25 | peterS | birunko: yeah that should be either 'any' or 'i386' depending on whether your package is supposed to be able to build on other architectures |
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| 21:29.55 | birunko | peterS, so, any x86 will be i386, right? |
| 21:30.00 | peterS | right |
| 21:30.10 | peterS | unless you're running it in 64-bit mode in which case it will be "amd64" |
| 21:30.21 | snowbird | is sound blaster best for for etch |
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| 21:30.58 | peterS | snowbird: seriously, most sound cards work with the 2.6.18 kernel, which is what etch has |
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| 21:31.13 | peterS | snowbird: the sblive! series is well supported, but so are plenty of other chips |
| 21:31.17 | RockerMONO | -_- i hate my router |
| 21:31.34 | snowbird | rocker send it to me |
| 21:31.40 | RockerMONO | snowbird: but i need it lol |
| 21:31.46 | RockerMONO | snowbird: if i get a new one you can have it =p |
| 21:31.46 | snowbird | peters i got old soundblaster |
| 21:31.56 | snowbird | thanks rocker |
| 21:31.59 | RockerMONO | snowbird: do you want the old soundcard? lol |
| 21:32.05 | birunko | peters, no no, it'll be just for x86! =) I was just thinking about glibc NTPL support, which is just available for 486 or higher, but thats fine to me! I'll finish my pkg! =) |
| 21:32.08 | RockerMONO | snowbird: as in 12 years old =p |
| 21:32.11 | snowbird | rocker i got new belkin in box y want |
| 21:32.27 | peterS | snowbird: you mean ISA bus soundblaster? those should be fine too, the 'snd_sb16' module for the SB16 series, for example |
| 21:32.28 | RockerMONO | snowbird: i'm honestly not sure if it even workse |
| 21:32.30 | RockerMONO | *works |
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| 21:32.46 | snowbird | rocker fee if u like |
| 21:32.59 | snowbird | 4810 sound card |
| 21:33.11 | RockerMONO | snowbird: i dont even know what in the world this one is |
| 21:33.19 | peterS | snowbird: if someone tries to build your package on powerpc, is there a good reason it should _not_ work? if you expect that to work, you should use 'Architecture: any' and let dpkg figure out the right thing to substitute at build time |
| 21:33.22 | snowbird | look on it should ahve name |
| 21:33.35 | RockerMONO | ohhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 21:33.35 | peterS | birunko: uh, that last line was for you, not for snowbird |
| 21:33.40 | RockerMONO | Sound Blaster 16 |
| 21:33.41 | RockerMONO | xD |
| 21:33.48 | RockerMONO | snowbird: ^ |
| 21:33.57 | snowbird | is it? |
| 21:34.03 | RockerMONO | yea |
| 21:34.14 | RockerMONO | a very dusty Sound Blaster 16 haha |
| 21:34.23 | snowbird | maybe i should see if there is alsa drivers |
| 21:34.23 | peterS | hey, there's nothing wrong with the old SB16 |
| 21:34.31 | peterS | snowbird: I already told you about the snd_sb16 driver |
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| 21:34.44 | snowbird | it got altimers |
| 21:34.50 | RockerMONO | peterS: mhm, i'm about to dust this thing off and see if i have room for it in this computer [if this one isn't better] |
| 21:34.57 | antgel | peterS: pwn3d by awe32 :) |
| 21:35.03 | snowbird | peter il have to fetch driver |
| 21:35.08 | RockerMONO | OH MY GOD THE CIRCUIT BOARD IS GREEN! |
| 21:35.11 | RockerMONO | ...i thought it was gray >.> |
| 21:35.22 | peterS | antgel: yes, well, there's also snd_sbawe (: |
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| 21:35.46 | RockerMONO | snowbird: it changes colors when i wipe it off =p |
| 21:35.48 | antgel | i remember when i first heard an awe32, it was so fucking ground-breaking |
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| 21:36.06 | snowbird | rocker yeah its brown coulour of s ? |
| 21:36.12 | snowbird | thats how much i ahte it |
| 21:36.22 | snowbird | i think its 8 bit |
| 21:36.26 | RockerMONO | snowbird: nope, green... it looks gray at first cuz of all the dust haha |
| 21:36.33 | snowbird | wow |
| 21:36.41 | RockerMONO | brb |
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| 21:37.20 | RockerMONO | back |
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| 21:37.48 | antgel | RockerMONO: you missed some intelligent discussion ;) |
| 21:37.55 | birunko | peterS, aha, got it! This arch is much more generic |
| 21:37.57 | RockerMONO | snowbird: ohh it is brown haha |
| 21:38.01 | RockerMONO | antgel: nobody said anything |
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| 21:38.19 | antgel | RockerMONO: yeah, well /relatively/ intelligent |
| 21:38.24 | snowbird | rocker whats they way you tell etch to fetch driver |
| 21:38.25 | birunko | peterS, so, I'll change this to fix my pkg |
| 21:38.29 | snowbird | apt get ? |
| 21:38.30 | apt | i guess get is search http://www.apt-get.org |
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| 21:38.40 | RockerMONO | snowbird: no idea |
| 21:38.49 | antgel | apt: who asked you |
| 21:38.50 | shaula | I cannot burn with my NEC writer. I dont know the reason for it. The burning process seems normal and continues till the end and finishes, but when I try to mount the dvd I get "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc..." message on the command line. Syslog giisofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=hdc, iso_blknum=16, block=1" . Also when I 'dmesg | grep hdc' I got ".isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=hdc, iso_blknum=16, block=16.." repa |
| 21:38.50 | shaula | ted for a few lines. Can somebody guide me where to look at, what should I do to get my dvd burner working again |
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| 21:39.05 | peterS | birunko: right. vast majority of Debian software has no reason to be architecture-specific, so you just say 'Architecture: any' and it's all good |
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| 21:40.31 | shaula | syslog line is "hdc: rw=0, want=68, limit=4 ..... isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=hdc, iso_blknum=16, block=16" |
| 21:40.59 | RockerMONO | snowbird: hah the bottom of the sb16 is perfectly clean, not a speck of d ust |
| 21:41.01 | RockerMONO | *dust |
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| 21:41.30 | snowbird | my sound blaster is called odd in mixer |
| 21:41.35 | birunko | peterS, yep, you're rigth. Maybe i should do it too, because probaly my pkg will has to run in a arm device |
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| 21:41.50 | snowbird | i wounder waht a driver would doo |
| 21:42.07 | RockerMONO | snowbird: if you get sound you have a driver for it |
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| 21:42.37 | snowbird | true enough but u get more setting with better driver |
| 21:43.17 | RockerMONO | you mean one more specific to your equipment? |
| 21:43.42 | snowbird | right |
| 21:44.00 | winmutt | the 64 bit flag is "lm" fwiw |
| 21:44.05 | tim_flatus | snowbird, RockerMONO surely if it's an sb, you run alsaconf and accept what it tells you? |
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| 21:44.31 | RockerMONO | tim_flatus: idk, i just pulled this out of an old computer i've been rebuilding, never used it yet :) |
| 21:44.35 | snowbird | and alsa save |
| 21:45.07 | RockerMONO | brb, gonna see if the sound card works and/or which i have in already |
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| 21:47.03 | SoulChild | how long does your grub take to display the Menue ? |
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| 21:47.48 | SoulChild | for me it takes about 3-4 seconds,... is that normal,... ? why is lilo faster ? |
| 21:47.50 | tim_flatus | SoulChild, not enough time to worry about it. |
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| 21:48.09 | SoulChild | hmm |
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| 21:48.28 | zinx | SoulChild: GRUB loads a stage1.5/stage2, but generally that shouldn't be slow unless your media's really slow |
| 21:49.28 | tim_flatus | Soul is that 3-4s from pushing the button or from Grub 1.5 loading ... ? |
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| 21:49.38 | SoulChild | zinx ,... how to find out if my media is slow ??? i have a notebook celeron 1,6 GHz and 1300 MB DDR Ram |
| 21:49.46 | SoulChild | tim_flatus: from grub loading |
| 21:49.57 | tim_flatus | SoulChild, K |
| 21:50.17 | SoulChild | tim_flatus: the strange thing is,.. that on my other machine it shows the menu immediantly |
| 21:50.23 | tim_flatus | SoulChild, your media ain't slow |
| 21:50.43 | SoulChild | i also don#t think so |
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| 21:51.19 | tim_flatus | Usual reasons are it's looking for something it can't find. At a guess. |
| 21:51.25 | SoulChild | my HDD has 5400 Round per second (don't know how the short form is in english ) |
| 21:51.33 | pingouin_ | what is the command to compare 2 files ? |
| 21:51.39 | SoulChild | tim_flatus: do u see the menu immediantly |
| 21:51.52 | SoulChild | pingouin_ dii |
| 21:51.54 | SoulChild | diff |
| 21:52.13 | pingouin_ | aahhh yeah ! thank SoulChild |
| 21:52.18 | Xoris | SoulChild: i suspect it's per *minute* |
| 21:52.23 | jelly-home | SoulChild: 5400 rpm (per minute) |
| 21:52.24 | stoned | peterS: |
| 21:52.24 | tim_flatus | SoulChild, close enough not to worry. And I'm on a much slower system 700Mhz CPU + 384M RAM |
| 21:52.27 | stoned | er.. whoops |
| 21:52.31 | stoned | it was already on my line |
| 21:52.32 | stoned | hehe |
| 21:52.33 | SoulChild | HAHAHA okay,... sorry,.. :D |
| 21:53.08 | s1mxn | LOS METALLER JOINT HÖRT ZU UND GEHT FLIEGEN DEN (/!\) #pure-metal /!\ mit [P-M]Mentario /!\ Late Night Show /!\ ist online /!\ (/!\ StreamFile @ www.pure-metal.de oda http://www.metal.host-tech.de/portal/getstream1.php?stream=1 [noSry4amsg] |
| 21:53.17 | SoulChild | so what's the problem ,.. what is my grub loading ??? |
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| 21:54.05 | stoned | dude |
| 21:54.06 | stoned | wtf |
| 21:54.08 | stoned | I like metal |
| 21:54.11 | stoned | I don't like spam |
| 21:54.46 | jelly-home | I don't like reggae (oh no) |
| 21:54.51 | pingouin_ | SoulChild: and for compare files in directory ? (not the contents of files) you know ? |
| 21:54.55 | stoned | I do |
| 21:54.59 | stoned | bumbaclot |
| 21:55.04 | stoned | oye mon |
| 21:55.11 | stoned | smoke de joint eh |
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| 21:55.36 | tim_flatus | stoned, two's up |
| 21:55.39 | stoned | Under Mi Sensi - we don't use no cocaine, to mess up our brain, we smoke up the sensi |
| 21:55.44 | SoulChild | pingouin: i don't know ,... check man diff or google |
| 21:55.56 | stoned | dont' gimme no crack, you take that back, you keep that crack I don't want no crack, ohhh nooooooo |
| 21:55.59 | stoned | noooooo |
| 21:56.01 | pingouin_ | i hate google |
| 21:56.04 | azeem | stoned: -> #debian-offtoipc |
| 21:56.06 | streuner | stoned: ever saw "Paul Potts"? :-) |
| 21:56.08 | azeem | offtopic* |
| 21:56.20 | stoned | hehe |
| 21:56.24 | stoned | i got carried away |
| 21:56.34 | streuner | argh, these 2 kingsley OPs are here, not much fun today :-) |
| 21:56.41 | stoned | heh |
| 21:56.45 | stoned | I aint sayi nothin |
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| 21:57.00 | tim_flatus | stoned, debian-off-the-head |
| 21:57.01 | stoned | but i dunno if you know, but azeem means "GREAT" in arabic |
| 21:57.07 | stoned | its cool |
| 21:57.16 | birunko | peterS, I got go! Thank you man! See you |
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| 21:57.25 | azeem | stoned: you told me like a dozen times now |
| 21:57.30 | stoned | oh |
| 21:57.36 | stoned | hehe, im a pothead, bad memory |
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| 21:57.56 | stoned | but its cool thoguh, no matter how many times, thats a great name it if it your real one |
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| 21:58.10 | azeem | stoned: I told you like a dozen times now that it isn't |
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| 21:58.14 | peterS | stoned: well, his real name is michael |
| 21:58.14 | azeem | stoned: plus, man /whois |
| 21:58.36 | stoned | azeem: once again.. pothead.. don't expect me to rememer |
| 21:58.40 | stoned | but i got it now |
| 21:58.42 | stoned | mike |
| 21:58.44 | stoned | |:) |
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| 21:59.00 | jelly-home | stoned: ah, you missed da reference mon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHgVUPmyqpw |
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| 21:59.21 | stoned | brb, I gotta replace a mobo real quick |
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| 21:59.31 | snowbird | lol |
| 21:59.35 | StarWars | The Debian php.ini is where ? /var/lib/apache2 ?? |
| 22:00.00 | jelly-home | StarWars: /etc/php[45]/*/php.ini |
| 22:00.35 | jelly-home | StarWars: depending on php version and API used (apache, cli...) |
| 22:00.53 | streuner | stoned: "Nessun Dorma" ! :-) |
| 22:01.04 | StarWars | apache2 php5 ..so is etc/php5/cli |
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| 22:02.47 | peterS | 'nobody sleeps'? |
| 22:02.55 | streuner | yes |
| 22:03.11 | tim_flatus | peterS, there will be time for sleep when we're dead. |
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| 22:04.02 | peterS | tim_flatus: in linux kernel terms, that is the difference between interruptible sleep and uninterruptible sleep |
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| 22:05.46 | tim_flatus | peterS, you got me in a spinlock there. |
| 22:05.46 | mumbles | goes back to sorting ntfs ou |
| 22:05.49 | mumbles | out... and i think theres a problem with my t key |
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| 22:07.57 | peterS | tim_flatus: don't tell me you're spinning in your grave |
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| 22:08.53 | tim_flatus | peterS, heh ;p |
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| 22:10.42 | daidalus13 | hi all. can someone help with this? I have a file named 'install_flash_player_9.linux.tar' and when I do 'tar -x install_flash_player_linux.tar' nothing happens. After a while i do ctrl+d and I get 'tar: install_flash_player_9_linux.tar: Not found in archive'. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 22:11.22 | foo | How can I unmount a nfs share if the nfs server is down? It says it's busy... df -h hangs. I stopped portmap and nfs-common... still no luck. |
| 22:11.42 | jelly-home | daidalus13: you're missing the f option. |
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| 22:12.41 | themill | foo: umount -f doesn't help you? |
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| 22:13.04 | daidalus13 | jelly-home: thx. will try that |
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| 22:14.15 | themill | daidalus13: you realise that flash is already packaged, don't you? |
| 22:14.56 | mick_work | hi everyone, i'm trying to use one box as a proxy to send http requests from another box: {outside_user} > {internal_box_with_proxy} > {internal_webserver}, the only access that i have is to {internal_box_with_proxy}. i want to open connect to the internal webserver from the outside. so far i have tried (from the internal network): tproxy -t -s 81 -r nobody <internal-webserver> 80 <<<<< i... |
| 22:14.57 | mick_work | ...test this by trying to access: 127.0.0.1:81 from internal-box-with-proxy |
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| 22:16.12 | mick_work | i added `tproxy81/tcp# Transparent Proxy` to /etc/services and i'm scratching my head at this point |
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| 22:16.53 | daidalus13 | themill: yes but I tries to access a site that wants the 'Express Install' of flash and suggest to upgrade my plug-in. |
| 22:17.15 | themill | ugh. |
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| 22:17.46 | SoulChild | hi all |
| 22:17.48 | SoulChild | me again |
| 22:17.52 | foo | themill: no, not when the nfs server went down |
| 22:18.00 | SoulChild | how do i change grub loading stage 1.5 to 2.0 ??? |
| 22:18.05 | themill | foo: :( |
| 22:18.11 | mick_work | tcp 0 0 *:tproxy *:* LISTEN <--- it shows up in netstat :-/ |
| 22:18.28 | foo | themill: which is common ... |
| 22:18.34 | foo | themill: This is a known issue, IIRC |
| 22:18.40 | mick_work | shouldn't it say the port # though? |
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| 22:18.46 | Deimos__ | hi |
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| 22:19.03 | daidalus13 | themill: about:plugin in mozilla says I have version 7.0 r63. I need 9 apparently |
| 22:19.07 | themill | foo: yeah... it's vaguely familiar but I'm afraid I don't know the solution. |
| 22:19.17 | themill | daidalus13: version 9 is packaged too. |
| 22:19.22 | foo | themill: ah, thanks |
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| 22:20.19 | daidalus13 | themill: so you mean I can install it via aptitude? |
| 22:20.25 | themill | daidalus13: I'm using 9.0.31. It's available either as flashplugin-nonfree in debian contrib or flashplayer-mozilla in debian-multimedia |
| 22:20.37 | themill | daidalus13: yes for etch, lenny or sid |
| 22:20.54 | daidalus13 | themill:mmm interesting. let me have a look |
| 22:21.18 | themill | mick_work: netstat -n |
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| 22:21.33 | themill | mick_work: or look in /etc/services for port numbers |
| 22:21.45 | RockerMONO | snowbird: didn't get to test it -_- |
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| 22:21.52 | snowbird | darn |
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| 22:21.59 | RockerMONO | snowbird: but i have a soundblaster live in this one :) |
| 22:22.05 | Deimos__ | i've a sound card realtek with chipset nvidia high definition audio ; so i've recompiled my kernel with "Intel HDA" module (snd_hda_intel), and run alsaconf (which detect my sound card) and alsamixer, but it doesn't work =\ |
| 22:22.20 | snowbird | me too i have to run config if i want sound |
| 22:22.28 | RockerMONO | really? |
| 22:22.31 | RockerMONO | mine works right off the bat |
| 22:22.37 | snowbird | never remembers |
| 22:22.53 | snowbird | mine might be different |
| 22:22.58 | peterS | Deimos__: why did you recompile your kernel? |
| 22:23.01 | snowbird | waht does yours say is in mixer |
| 22:23.07 | RockerMONO | hm |
| 22:23.09 | RockerMONO | hang on lemme see |
| 22:23.12 | mick_work | netcat shows "webcache" is open |
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| 22:23.34 | Deimos__ | peterS, to include alsa and snd_hda_intel module |
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| 22:23.46 | peterS | Deimos__: debian kernels already include alsa and snd_hda_intel |
| 22:23.51 | mick_work | and netstat -n shows: tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:81 127.0.0.1:34921 TIME_WAIT |
| 22:23.52 | academy | This isn't really a linux question but hey. Do any of you know of a program that makes a pda into a hands free kit for a bluetooth phone? |
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| 22:24.11 | Deimos__ | ok peterS ; but why it doesn't work =\ ? |
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| 22:24.48 | gnuskool | hello, with etch work on a 1998 bios, i586? |
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| 22:25.10 | jelly-home | gnuskool: i586? |
| 22:25.16 | RockerMONO | ew |
| 22:25.17 | gnuskool | *will* |
| 22:25.17 | SoulChild | ARRRGH!!! GRUB is driving me crazy,.. but i don't want to install LILO |
| 22:25.24 | Kasle | do anyone know how to install debian desktop in ubuntu? |
| 22:25.26 | snowbird | rocker man |
| 22:25.29 | RockerMONO | snowbird: if i run alsaconfig it makes debian look ugly :( |
| 22:25.37 | snowbird | wow |
| 22:25.38 | SoulChild | Kasle: debian desktop ??? what do you mean |
| 22:25.47 | RockerMONO | snowbird: it makes it look like windows 3.1 |
| 22:25.54 | snowbird | yeah |
| 22:26.07 | jelly-home | gnuskool: should work on a P1 or similar if you have say 64MB RAM |
| 22:26.29 | RockerMONO | snowbird: it's called "Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07)" |
| 22:26.34 | RockerMONO | ugh |
| 22:26.38 | gnuskool | jelly-home, i got amd k6, 3d now 2/ 333 that live cd recognises as i586, but i cant install most distros cause bios is pre-2000 |
| 22:26.39 | RockerMONO | how do i fix it?! |
| 22:26.45 | SoulChild | Is lilo updated automaticly when installing a new kernel ??? |
| 22:26.46 | snowbird | mine is 4810 creative labs |
| 22:26.54 | RockerMONO | alsaconfig made debian look hidious, how i get it back? lol |
| 22:27.04 | jelly-home | gnuskool: what does it mean in practice, it can't boot from C? |
| 22:27.08 | jelly-home | gnuskool: CD? |
| 22:27.27 | snowbird | love to get alsa not to blast my ears |
| 22:27.30 | gnuskool | DSL live cd, to be exact |
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| 22:27.43 | RockerMONO | snowbird: how do i get debian to look how it normally does afterwards? :( |
| 22:27.56 | peterS | SoulChild: yes, if you have lilo installed |
| 22:27.58 | RockerMONO | ohhhhhhh |
| 22:28.02 | RockerMONO | snowbird: found it =p |
| 22:28.03 | snowbird | it runs in shell then when done i close shell |
| 22:28.09 | snowbird | found waht? |
| 22:28.16 | RockerMONO | snowbird: how to make debian look normal again haha |
| 22:28.16 | SoulChild | peterS: ok you got me unisntallign GRUB ;) |
| 22:28.26 | RockerMONO | snowbird: i had to wait quite a bit for some reason |
| 22:28.30 | gnuskool | jelly-home, it cant boot from cd, i think i need a syslinux boot not 2.88 boot loader |
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| 22:28.32 | snowbird | yeah |
| 22:28.45 | snowbird | wish my did not start so loud |
| 22:28.57 | RockerMONO | snowbird: you could just get speakers with a volume control on them? :) |
| 22:28.57 | jelly-home | gnuskool: ah. no idea if there's an adequate etch boot disk, sorry |
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| 22:29.15 | grendal_prime | im looking to use the copy command to load some data...now, it was mentioned that i could use info from a varriable instead of a file. |
| 22:29.34 | K-Ryan | What's Debian Etch's equivalent of apt-get autoremove? |
| 22:29.54 | grendal_prime | i need to extract the file from a ziped file and then copy into a table. |
| 22:29.55 | jelly-home | K-Ryan: what's that supposed to do? |
| 22:30.09 | K-Ryan | jelly-home: Remove uneeded dependencies |
| 22:30.18 | K-Ryan | Well, packages in general I guess |
| 22:30.23 | grendal_prime | damn it wrong channel sorry guys |
| 22:30.26 | snowbird | rocker thats what it says |
| 22:30.31 | daidalus13 | themill: still there? I used aptitude, it promted me for a couple of my debian CDs (16 months old) it asked me for the directory i saved flash 7 tar... and it installed flash 7. Is it wrong to use the CDs as a source? |
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| 22:30.41 | RockerMONO | snowbird: ? |
| 22:30.47 | jelly-home | K-Ryan: using aptitude in place of apt-get install takes care of automatically installed dependencies |
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| 22:30.59 | themill | daidalus13: are you using etch or sarge? |
| 22:31.08 | daidalus13 | themill: sarge |
| 22:31.30 | snowbird | mine says thiis ensoinq |
| 22:31.34 | snowbird | for my card |
| 22:31.39 | RockerMONO | hm |
| 22:31.40 | gnuskool | jelly-home, yeah cant boot from cd, so ive installed the woody that comes with DSL, but im not sure if I should upgrade, or where can i find out system requirements for etchy? |
| 22:31.50 | K-Ryan | jelly-home: For future installs I'll use that, but right now the stuff is already installed =/ |
| 22:31.51 | themill | daidalus13: ahhh... sorry... most ppl here are running etch so i've got in the habit of assuming that.... flash7 is all that you're likely to find for sarge I think |
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| 22:32.24 | jelly-home | gnuskool: if you have woody now, you'll have to upgrade to sarge first, then to etch. skipping releases is not really supported |
| 22:32.43 | RockerMONO | hm |
| 22:32.44 | snowbird | when u in k mix what is diference between sound types |
| 22:32.47 | daidalus13 | themill: can you say the names of the packages I should look for and the urls to use in my sources.list for flash 9? |
| 22:32.48 | themill | daidalus13: actually... debian multimedia still has sarge and has flash 9 packaged for you |
| 22:32.54 | gnuskool | jelly-home, thanks alot |
| 22:33.01 | jelly-home | K-Ryan: there's deborphan and debfoster that can help weed out junk |
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| 22:33.08 | themill | !tell daidalus13 about dmm |
| 22:33.25 | snowbird | RockerMONO, wounder why my card says that |
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| 22:33.32 | utopia_ | why when i try to remove evolution-* , does aptitude/apt-get want to remove the gnome-desktop-environment too? |
| 22:33.34 | K-Ryan | jelly-home: Pardon? |
| 22:33.37 | themill | daidalus13: at the top of the dmm page there is the source line for dmm for sarge |
| 22:33.41 | RockerMONO | snowbird: no idea.... happen to have a nice motherboard w/ a P3? =p |
| 22:33.54 | snowbird | yeah p4 |
| 22:34.00 | RockerMONO | can i have it? =p |
| 22:34.02 | utopia_ | and when i, -gnome-desktop-environment .. it then tries to remove other gnome tools |
| 22:34.06 | snowbird | 1.3 and 512 ram |
| 22:34.11 | jelly-home | K-Ryan: those help you remove unneeded packages |
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| 22:34.28 | RockerMONO | snowbird: lol i was kiddin but yea... that's all i need to make a nice sound system [recording & playback] |
| 22:34.29 | utopia_ | surely gnome doesnt DEPEND on evolution? |
| 22:34.32 | K-Ryan | jelly-home: They're programs? Because I don't seem to have the commands... |
| 22:34.45 | snowbird | rocker man is y alsa loud at foirst |
| 22:34.49 | themill | !tell K-Ryan abouy deborphan |
| 22:34.51 | jelly-home | K-Ryan: packages and programs with the same name. |
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| 22:34.58 | themill | !tell K-Ryan about deborphan |
| 22:34.58 | RockerMONO | snowbird: mines not =p |
| 22:35.06 | themill | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 22:35.07 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
| 22:35.07 | snowbird | how do i set mine not to be |
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| 22:35.21 | K-Ryan | jelly-home: Okay, thanks |
| 22:35.26 | RockerMONO | TheMagician: you got told! ;) |
| 22:35.28 | RockerMONO | erm |
| 22:35.32 | RockerMONO | **themilll |
| 22:35.33 | RockerMONO | ugh |
| 22:35.58 | daidalus13 | themill: ok thanks. that's helpfull. Err.. can you also remind me where my source.list file lives? |
| 22:36.13 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.16 | jelly-home | K-Ryan: of the two, deborphan is more conservative, and debfoster removes everything but the packages that you explicitely want to keep |
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| 22:37.18 | themill | daidalus13: remember to apt-get update after you've changed your sources.list |
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| 22:37.51 | mumbles | odd.. still cant get ntfs to work |
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| 22:38.39 | disq | I'm having a problem upgrading sarge to lenny, here's the apt-get output: http://www.pastebin.ca/650429 |
| 22:38.54 | themill | disq: please use aptitude for such things not apt-get |
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| 22:39.15 | jelly-home | disq: also, you should have first upgraded to etch. |
| 22:39.33 | themill | disq: skipping releases is definitely not supported |
| 22:39.42 | disq | mmm. didn't know that |
| 22:40.11 | disq | so, any chance I can roll back? |
| 22:40.16 | themill | disq: it looks like nothing much has happened yet so you can probably do sarge-etch-lenny |
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| 22:40.46 | themill | !tell disq about sarge->etch |
| 22:40.53 | themill | !tell disq about etch->lenny |
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| 22:41.15 | snowbird | RockerMONO, i wonder u got better card |
| 22:41.17 | disq | i think the preinst script expects a different version of readlink, that's what causes the error |
| 22:41.33 | RockerMONO | snowbird: dunno... but it's nice =p |
| 22:41.49 | snowbird | mine is painfull |
| 22:41.57 | snowbird | going to upgrade |
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| 22:45.43 | StarWars | My/usr/share/doc/php5-common/examples/php.ini-recommended cp to /etc/php5 & /etc/php5/apache2 /etc/php5/cli dont working with Mysql " say No connect to MySQL DB" |
| 22:45.47 | jelly-home | disq: well, if you think you can wing it, you could upgrade coreutils (possibly by downloading it and installing with dpkg) and try continuting |
| 22:45.57 | daidalus13 | themill (and jelly-home) : thanks a lot for the help. I really appreciate it. Good night |
| 22:46.16 | themill | np |
| 22:46.39 | jelly-home | night! |
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| 22:48.18 | snowbird | RockerMONO, some sound blaster live was brown were no windows were beta |
| 22:48.46 | snowbird | but ran good in Linux i gave away but now i need one |
| 22:48.46 | RockerMONO | ? |
| 22:48.52 | RockerMONO | oh |
| 22:48.55 | snowbird | nevor saw one |
| 22:48.56 | cec | themill, earlier you told disq to use aptitude rather than apt-get. Why is this? I have heard that it deals better with dependencies and cleans up libraries better, but I thought apt-get does this pretty well. |
| 22:49.37 | stew | cec: "/msg dpkg why aptitude" but yes, its mostly the dependency resolution |
| 22:49.44 | themill | cec: you're right. aptitude is much better with dep resolution and for anything remotely like a dist-upgrade you should use aptitude. |
| 22:50.01 | TheBest | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:50.09 | cec | ic thanks |
| 22:50.16 | stew | cec: the version of apt-get in unstable will be able to clean up libraries as well, but i don't believe it has had any improvements in dependency resolution |
| 22:50.47 | themill | cec: we also have a continual stream of questions here about how to remove unneeded packages that were dragged in as deps. in etch, aptitude can do that but apt-get cannnot |
| 22:50.59 | foo | How do I unmount an nfs share if the nfs server went down? umount -f doesn't work, says device is busy. It's not ... lsof|grep mountname doesn't do anything, just hangs... as does df -h... this is really annoying. I've tried stopping portmap/nfs-common and doing this again, no luck, any ideas? Not finding too much stuff on Google either |
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| 22:51.19 | snowbird | rocker there are better cards |
| 22:51.20 | cec | I'm sold--aptitude it is |
| 22:51.25 | themill | :) |
| 22:51.34 | RockerMONO | snowbird: mk |
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| 22:51.45 | snowbird | what? |
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| 22:52.12 | RockerMONO | snowbird: mk = hm ok or m ok =p |
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| 22:52.20 | snowbird | what? |
| 22:52.29 | RockerMONO | ... |
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| 22:53.24 | joey[] | anyone uses perl? I need to install HTTP::Client, but I cannot find it on packages.debian.org |
| 22:53.51 | streuner | cpan |
| 22:54.08 | snowbird | Creative Labs Sound Blaster Vibra 128 Sound Card |
| 22:54.16 | snowbird | thats my sound card |
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| 22:54.41 | ribnitz | heyas.. |
| 22:55.00 | streuner | joey[]: look at cpan and use dh_make_perl, if needed |
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| 22:55.31 | ribnitz | Building nvidia module for x for every kernel is annoying. Is ATI better in that repect? |
| 22:55.40 | Oyama | hello, I'm looking for a .net, a .org and a .com domain. Most of the resellers i found are about 9$ a year, does someone knows cheaper? |
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| 22:56.03 | streuner | joker.com is not bad |
| 22:56.09 | krazykit | Oyama, this has nothing to do with debian. also, avoid dreamhost like the plague. |
| 22:56.09 | lindenle | anybody ever seen df cause a machine with a large nfs mount to have a hufe load |
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| 22:56.21 | lindenle | I cannot even kill the df process and it has status D |
| 22:56.47 | Oyama | krazykit: i just don't know where to ask, but if you know, please feel free to tell me |
| 22:56.56 | tarzeau | lindenle: yes |
| 22:57.13 | lindenle | tarzeau: so can i do anything about it, i.e. to prevent it in the future? |
| 22:57.17 | ribnitz | lindenle: you mean the nfs client or the nfs server? |
| 22:57.23 | lindenle | client |
| 22:57.34 | tarzeau | lindenle: hope it doesn't happen? reboot if it's annoying you |
| 22:57.41 | joey[] | streuner: thx, I found libwww-perl which gives me LWP::Simple |
| 22:57.47 | lindenle | tarzeau: that is a naughty answer |
| 22:58.02 | lindenle | tarzeau: can i make df a wrapper to df -l? |
| 22:58.03 | streuner | but real |
| 22:58.12 | antgel | !tell lindenle about alias |
| 22:58.21 | lindenle | antgel: for all users ? |
| 22:58.36 | lindenle | antgel: using tcsh and bash |
| 22:58.59 | ribnitz | streuner: does switch nfs versions help? ie is a newer version better? |
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| 23:00.32 | streuner | ribnitz: no idea, i use nfs on a sarge server, the problem should be the same, i didn't see a difference NOW |
| 23:00.33 | snowbird | RockerMONO, |
| 23:00.40 | RockerMONO | yea? |
| 23:00.43 | snowbird | my card si 8 bit |
| 23:00.52 | snowbird | old bugger 4.1 |
| 23:01.24 | disq | i think i got away with the dist-upgrade. just had to fix some stuff the install script didn't like |
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| 23:02.38 | themill | disq: hmmm.... you realise that all config file handling and maintainer upgrade scripts are completely untested for what you're trying to do... |
| 23:02.48 | streuner | ribnitz: tarzeau should have more experiences |
| 23:03.15 | snowbird | on my disst up grade x goes crash need vnc to fix |
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| 23:04.15 | themill | snowbird: wtf are you doing now? |
| 23:04.23 | snowbird | nothing |
| 23:04.40 | snowbird | learning |
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| 23:04.54 | themill | snowbird: breaking things :) |
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| 23:05.01 | snowbird | na |
| 23:05.14 | snowbird | i don't brake |
| 23:05.25 | boka | snowbird hahah :) you "break" |
| 23:05.36 | themill | snowbird: that's a really nice pun... (I'm just reading a cycling magazine atm....) |
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| 23:05.55 | disq | themill: most of the conffiles on the box were/are default, i only use the box for svn/git/scratchbox and mc :) |
| 23:05.55 | snowbird | don't be mean |
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| 23:06.17 | boka | heh |
| 23:06.37 | snowbird | themill i just seeing some hardware info |
| 23:06.55 | themill | disq: good to hear... and of course they're all backed up too ;) |
| 23:07.05 | simonrvn | snowbird: jsut don't take it personally, and keep at it until you start understanding things, then you can learn more things, and understand them, etc. |
| 23:07.07 | yos | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.31 | snowbird | yes simon u know some have disibility |
| 23:07.34 | simonrvn | !doesn't work |
| 23:07.34 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 23:07.52 | simonrvn | snowbird: yeh, just go at your own pace |
| 23:08.10 | snowbird | i was after wrong file then he came back it was easy and poof |
| 23:08.14 | themill | snowbird: hey, you're doing well. Learning is great. I was just worried when you mentioned dist-upgrade as a premature dist-upgrade is a great way of making your life hard. |
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| 23:08.21 | simonrvn | that's one of the things i hate school for, it's too slow for the fast learners and too fast for the slow learners |
| 23:08.33 | Ronin | snowbird: it's always easy when you know what you're doing, its the learning part that can be hard |
| 23:08.54 | snowbird | Simon i get mes minded frustrated cant keep up |
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| 23:09.14 | themill | yos: you've asked three times under three different nicks. Maybe your question needs rephrasing so we can answer it. |
| 23:09.15 | simonrvn | snowbird: you only have to keep up with yourself ;) |
| 23:09.18 | eucalre | yo |
| 23:09.19 | cokeslut | sup |
| 23:09.20 | Tremitos | hi |
| 23:09.28 | themill | !tell yos about patience |
| 23:09.31 | snowbird | then my eyes dont see what fingers type |
| 23:09.45 | themill | !tell yos about smart questions |
| 23:09.51 | yos | themill is on Hospitals :) |
| 23:10.03 | simonrvn | lemme guess, a trio of trolls, but are really one person (^^^ eucalre cokeslut Tremitos) |
| 23:10.05 | snowbird | thospital hmm |
| 23:10.27 | yos | i cheange my nick ... cloak ... |
| 23:10.31 | boka | snowbird keep it cool and learn as you. 1 step at a time. I am also learning btw and when I have problem, i consult faqs, readmes, and google a LOT! |
| 23:10.35 | boka | snowbird :) |
| 23:10.36 | snowbird | got to ask less. a remote 10 20 30 minites save 100 hours |
| 23:10.40 | simonrvn | wow, actually 3 people |
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| 23:11.02 | boka | simonrvn i don't have a prob btw atm :) |
| 23:11.22 | snowbird | yeah i got printer to set up |
| 23:11.23 | Gm4n | Is there anywhere in the sendmail settings that you can override postmaster as the notification address for failures? I'm trying to figure out how to change who gets a copy of a bounced email, but I changed the postmaster alias and nothing happened. |
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| 23:11.34 | snowbird | scanner and oh yeah maybe samba |
| 23:11.54 | themill | Gm4n: did you update the aliases db with newaliases? |
| 23:11.58 | snowbird | isp seems to have me doing things hard way |
| 23:12.08 | Gm4n | that I did, themill |
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| 23:13.19 | snowbird | newbie tar balls hard i wounder what .deb are |
| 23:13.48 | snowbird | if i bring home printer with .deb files would help be here or all hide from me |
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| 23:14.33 | themill | Gm4n: can you test the address parsing... iirc sendmail -bt |
| 23:14.57 | themill | Gm4n: I kicked the sendmail habit years ago for postfix so I'm running out of ideas... sorry |
| 23:15.05 | disq | jelly-home: i copied over a newer (etch) readlink from another installation and had to remove some redundant lib symlinks in /usr/lib (libdl.so.2 symlinked to libdl.so which is symlinked to the real one in /lib, etc) to get it to work, thanks. |
| 23:15.57 | tarzeau | any of you use fluent software? does it work on debian etch? http://www.fluent.com/solutions/index.htm |
| 23:16.01 | Gm4n | themill: how exactly do I use this mode? Everything I feed it, it replies "No address!" |
| 23:16.38 | Gm4n | hmm... how does one leave? control+c doesn't work, nor does "quit", "exit", or "bye" |
| 23:16.48 | stew | Gm4n: ctrl-d ? |
| 23:16.50 | tarzeau | Gm4n: if you're in screen, ctrl-a k |
| 23:17.01 | Gm4n | ctrl-d did it |
| 23:17.04 | Gm4n | thanks, stew |
| 23:17.17 | stew | Gm4n: usually ctrl-d is "end of file" |
| 23:17.21 | Gm4n | ahhhh |
| 23:17.22 | Gm4n | gotcha |
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| 23:19.59 | Gm4n | well, I'm taking this to #sendmail, it's not really fair to ask #debian about *everything* |
| 23:20.00 | Gm4n | =) |
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| 23:25.05 | Ozux | Any Body with Bluetooth USB? (I want to buy BT Mouse for my Laptop, but not sure about how it work in Linux) |
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| 23:26.00 | zinx | worksforme, but i haven't tried a mouse - only a GPS |
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| 23:26.27 | Ryushin | I know this will sound evil, but is there a way to make a apt/dpkg not check for a dependency problem on a package. I forced a package and of course apt-get complains nows that I need to run apt-get -f install to fix it. I want it to ignore this one package during it's checking. |
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| 23:27.18 | stew | Ryushin: no, you'd have to satisfy the dependency. you can build a dummy package to do it using equivs: "/msg dpkg equivs", but yes, what you are doing sounds evil |
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| 23:27.53 | Ryushin | Yea, I know it's evil. If I could get the source deb I can fix it, but there is only the binary deb available. |
| 23:28.07 | Ryushin | This is for the pptpconfig package that I use. |
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| 23:32.43 | wiebel | hi, what is wrong with openoffice and myspell or hunspell? |
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| 23:33.45 | krazykit | wiebel, check the bts? |
| 23:34.00 | wiebel | bts? |
| 23:34.03 | maddash | there aren't many video players to choose from besides mplayer, totem and gxine |
| 23:34.07 | krazykit | !tell wiebel about bts |
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| 23:34.41 | krazykit | maddash, vlc, too |
| 23:34.45 | wiebel | just checking right now |
| 23:34.52 | maddash | krazykit: not on lenny |
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| 23:38.00 | snowbird | ah any one or every one hides |
| 23:39.24 | maddash | geez |
| 23:39.35 | snowbird | scared every one away? |
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| 23:43.17 | Ozux | zinx: BT GPS Module with Debian? |
| 23:43.34 | kritical | When I log into bash it comes up like this -> `dbnz:/#` which is what I labelled my machine during the installation process, since then I've changed the hostname... I've `grep -r`'d the /etc directory and I can't figure out how to change this, can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 23:43.52 | zinx | Ozux: yes, with both built-in bluetooth on a laptop, and USB bluetooth on a desktop |
| 23:44.03 | zinx | the latter is obviously not as useful. |
| 23:44.06 | zinx | but it works :P |
| 23:44.08 | solemnwarning | Is there a utility for recursively comparing the MD5/SHA1 checksums of 2 directories? |
| 23:44.17 | solemnwarning | I want to make sure a large file tree copied fine |
| 23:44.33 | azeem | solemnwarning: run rsync on it? |
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| 23:46.50 | infernix | hm, anyone remember what kind of latency you'd get when connecting to an isp over ISDN? it's been too long since I did that |
| 23:46.59 | infernix | e.g. first hop latency |
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| 23:47.14 | stoned | neither have I |
| 23:47.26 | solemnwarning | 'tis from the stone age of tech |
| 23:47.30 | infernix | you kids |
| 23:47.33 | infernix | ;) |
| 23:47.33 | stoned | stoned age of tech |
| 23:47.35 | stoned | :) |
| 23:47.37 | solemnwarning | yeah |
| 23:47.42 | infernix | and im only 25 at that |
| 23:47.45 | stoned | hah |
| 23:47.46 | stoned | im 26 |
| 23:47.49 | solemnwarning | infernix: 10 years older then :P |
| 23:47.55 | solemnwarning | You're both old! |
| 23:47.58 | solemnwarning | ^^ |
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| 23:48.24 | h3sp4wn | infernix: latency is pretty decent with isdn |
| 23:48.26 | infernix | im getting about 60 on this one line and i thought it was lower |
| 23:48.39 | infernix | i might need to /blame isp |
| 23:48.48 | h3sp4wn | I would have expected quite a bit lower |
| 23:49.00 | Ozux | zinx: Could I ask modules Model? now I have Garmin Vista that have problems in connecting to Laptop. |
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| 23:49.27 | h3sp4wn | infernix: I would have expected 10-20 (20 max) |
| 23:49.32 | zinx | Ozux: the GPS is a i.Trek M5+ |
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| 23:49.42 | infernix | h3sp4wn: exactly. thanks |
| 23:49.43 | Ozux | zinx: And when U use GPS module could you use other devices like mobile with laptop or not? |
| 23:49.52 | zinx | Ozux: bluetooth is not entirely straightforward on Linux yet |
| 23:50.11 | zinx | Ozux: i'm sure i could, i don't have any other bluetooth devices at the moment yet, though. |
| 23:50.36 | zinx | Ozux: for GPSs (and other serial devices), you need to use rfcomm |
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| 23:51.01 | zinx | Ozux: you can set it hcid to start up an rfcomm device at boot time, which will automatically attach whenever the GPS is in range |
| 23:51.05 | zinx | s/it // |
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| 23:52.21 | wiebel | how can i force apt-get to ignore dependencies? |
| 23:52.34 | Xoris | wiebel: can't |
| 23:52.34 | zinx | wie: iyhtays |
| 23:53.01 | NicNac | why you want to do something like that? |
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| 23:54.20 | Ozux | zinx: It's lovely, and witch software do you use for conecting., collecting and analysing GPS entries? |
| 23:54.31 | Ozux | zinx: s/witch/which/ |
| 23:54.59 | zinx | Ozux: gpsd, and whatever supports gpsd |
| 23:55.02 | wiebel | because after installing openoffice an apt-get install openoffice.org-thesaurus-de gives me " openoffice.org-hyphenation-de: Depends: openoffice.org (>= 1.0.3) but it is not going to be installed" |
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| 23:55.15 | zinx | Ozux: roadnav is fun for US driving, though it's a tad slow |
| 23:55.16 | wiebel | which is installed just fine |
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| 23:56.00 | zinx | wiebel: run apt-get update or aptitude update |
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| 23:56.19 | mumbles | debhelper: - thanks for th ban :P |
| 23:56.21 | wiebel | zinx, like that is the clue to everything |
| 23:56.24 | Xoris | zinx, roadnav is promising for Europe, though, since it has preliminary support for openstreetmaps.org maps |
| 23:56.29 | Ozux | zinx: thanks for informations :) |
| 23:56.56 | wiebel | zinx, that error exists for weeks now |
| 23:56.59 | Xoris | s/though/too/ |
| 23:56.59 | zinx | Xoris: openstreetmaps doesn't have much yet, sadly |
| 23:57.15 | Xoris | zinx: it's expanding. i said it's "promising", not "good"... |
| 23:57.22 | zinx | wiebel: your installed openoffice.org either isn't installed or is too old |
| 23:57.33 | zinx | Xoris: hehe :) |
| 23:57.34 | wiebel | no |
| 23:57.53 | snowbird | RockerMONO, you here |
| 23:58.02 | RockerMONO | yea |
| 23:58.10 | zinx | wiebel: dpkg --list openoffice.org |
| 23:58.15 | wiebel | it's not its 2.04 |
| 23:58.16 | RockerMONO | snowbird: yea, why? |
| 23:58.19 | snowbird | open up alsa mixer and at top what does it say u card is? |
| 23:58.39 | wiebel | openoffice.org 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7 OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0 |
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| 23:58.57 | RockerMONO | snowbird: "Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07)" |
| 23:59.21 | snowbird | odd |
| 23:59.42 | snowbird | esqnog pci |
| 23:59.55 | zinx | wiebel: what release of debian are you using? |
