| 00:00.03 | wiebel | it's simply not possible to get a proper german OO runing right now, I have seen this on several computers now |
| 00:00.05 | wiebel | lenny |
| 00:00.06 | snowbird | chip tritech tr 28602 |
| 00:00.31 | diafic | is there a fglrx howto? |
| 00:00.32 | snowbird | RockerMONO, mine is not suported maybe il get emk 10 card or sometinh |
| 00:00.44 | RockerMONO | ok |
| 00:00.57 | snowbird | does that look normal |
| 00:01.03 | snowbird | maybe i need driver |
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| 00:01.08 | zinx | wiebel: the depend you listed is not a depend of the package you said it was in lenny |
| 00:01.16 | diafic | fglrx |
| 00:01.17 | wiebel | zinx, sorry if i sound rude, normally i'm not, but this bug ... i don't know ;) |
| 00:01.21 | diafic | !fglrx |
| 00:01.21 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
| 00:01.28 | diafic | !fglrx one-liner |
| 00:01.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
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| 00:01.57 | zinx | wiebel: the lenny openoffice.org-thesaurus-de package depends on dictionaries-common (>= 0.10) | openoffice.org-updatedicts, openoffice.org-core (>= 1.9) |
| 00:02.02 | wiebel | zinx, ack i also thought that it might depend on the 1.* versionbut it doesn't work that way |
| 00:02.28 | zinx | wiebel: so if yours is still saying (>= 1.0.3), something is either out of date or half-installed |
| 00:02.47 | zinx | wiebel: and it's saying openoffice.org rather than openoffice.org-core |
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| 00:02.55 | zinx | wiebel: maybe change your sources |
| 00:03.06 | wiebel | zinx, maybe i mixed something up i tried to install hyph and thesaur at the same time |
| 00:03.07 | bob32 | Hi, can someone help me please?! |
| 00:03.09 | bob32 | http://paste.debian.net/34261 |
| 00:03.44 | zinx | wiebel: oh, that does depend on oo.org >= 1.0.3 |
| 00:03.55 | zinx | wiebel: dpkg --list openoffice.org |
| 00:04.17 | wiebel | the hyphenation installed now just fine, ok next ;) |
| 00:04.21 | zinx | wiebel: also consider using aptitude instead of apt-get |
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| 00:04.32 | zinx | wiebel: it will do "advanced" dependency handling |
| 00:04.45 | wiebel | what??? but apt-get is my friend, what's wrong? |
| 00:05.04 | wiebel | oh noo aptitude is bad for my eyes |
| 00:05.13 | wiebel | is synaptic ok? |
| 00:06.36 | zinx | wiebel: i don't know :/ |
| 00:06.56 | zinx | wiebel: aptitude works as a command-line client like apt-get if you give it the same parameters |
| 00:07.23 | zinx | wiebel: although i don't think it understands "source" |
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| 00:07.43 | litage_ | OT: when you install Thunderbird, will it automatically import email from other apps like Outlook Express? i'm trying to convince a friend to switch from The Devil Himself (Outlook Express) to Thunderbird |
| 00:08.07 | wiebel | zinx, ok good to hear, i thought it wants that awkward (but powerful) gui like thing |
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| 00:08.18 | dkr | yeah, I alias a aptitude and use it like that a lot, :) also has options apt-get doesn't like show and search |
| 00:08.33 | zinx | apt-cache has show/search |
| 00:08.35 | wiebel | zinx, ok so I'll switch to aptitude, that's a hard one |
| 00:09.05 | snowbird | darn storm power flickering |
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| 00:09.19 | wiebel | so still apt-cache, apt-get for source and build-dep, but aptitude for common packages, right? |
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| 00:09.50 | zinx | wiebel: you can use aptitude for show/search instead of apt-cache |
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| 00:09.57 | dkr | my point was that you can use aptitude for isntall or search or show, don't ned apt-get + apt-cache |
| 00:10.01 | zinx | wiebel: but yeah, apt-get for source/build-dep |
| 00:10.01 | wiebel | but i think synaptic should also be ok |
| 00:10.26 | zinx | i honestly don't know which library(ies?) synaptic uses |
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| 00:10.34 | jbm | Would there be a simple way for me to download a list of packages and their dependencies for a different architechture, including dependencies and such? Like using apt-get with --download-only and telling it to use another architecture? |
| 00:10.39 | wiebel | oh ok that would be good, no more apt-cache |
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| 00:12.03 | wiebel | all right I'm making some progres s |
| 00:12.15 | h3sp4wn | jbm: cdebootstrap |
| 00:12.40 | h3sp4wn | jbm: and then once you have the base system then use qemu |
| 00:13.03 | wiebel | thesaurus and hyph is ok, but as I understood it hunspell is the spellchecker for OO, but if i try to install hunspell-de-de it want to remove OO |
| 00:13.43 | jbm | hmm.. looks like qemu only suuports arm ppc sparc and x86.. need amd64 |
| 00:14.08 | kritzstapf | jbm: apt-get install --download-only -o APT::Architecture=amd64 |
| 00:14.18 | kritzstapf | havent tried it, but it may work |
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| 00:14.23 | leandroal | hello folks, does someone know where can I find doc for developer who wants to use ieee80211 linux stack? |
| 00:14.33 | jbm | cool. thanks, I'll give it a whirl. |
| 00:14.35 | h3sp4wn | jbm: are you running the -amd64 kernel on x86 ? |
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| 00:15.03 | jbm | no, I'm on an x86 machine, but want to download a big list of packages for an amd64 machine. |
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| 00:15.15 | jbm | in particular the list of packages i have installed on the x86 |
| 00:15.19 | jbm | (when available) |
| 00:15.33 | h3sp4wn | jbm: Would it be possible for you to run that kernel ?even temporary |
| 00:15.45 | jbm | hm. not sure.. that's a good point though. |
| 00:15.51 | jbm | I'll look into that also. |
| 00:16.09 | h3sp4wn | If you are running that kernel then you can just do a normal debootstrap of amd64 |
| 00:16.14 | wiebel | "The following packages are BROKEN: openoffice...." what is this supposed to mean, sry I'm new to aptitude *g* |
| 00:16.37 | zinx | means there are dependency problems generally |
| 00:16.43 | snowbird | bettter i hope |
| 00:17.25 | wiebel | and there is no "I know what I'm doing here" switch? |
| 00:17.59 | h3sp4wn | snowbird: So did you manage to add the stuff requested to /etc/modules |
| 00:18.10 | snowbird | yeah i did |
| 00:18.32 | h3sp4wn | snowbird: and now it works fine ? |
| 00:18.37 | snowbird | how did u make u text red and anme? |
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| 00:18.45 | snowbird | yeah |
| 00:18.45 | inaety | RockerMONO: there? |
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| 00:19.04 | Xaya | hi |
| 00:19.06 | RockerMONO | inaety: hey |
| 00:19.15 | RockerMONO | haha i almost nuked the computer i was rebuilding =p |
| 00:19.34 | dkr | snowbird: your irc client probably highlights messages that use your name so you can easiyl see when someone is addressing you |
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| 00:19.52 | snowbird | mine is makeing mine faded cant see my own |
| 00:20.03 | wiebel | zinx, sry my ndiswrapper broke, did you say anything? |
| 00:20.06 | Xaya | anyone know about a command line to view the status of my HDD |
| 00:20.09 | Xaya | please |
| 00:20.20 | inaety | RockerMONO: hahaha, anyways i wasnt sure if you said something to me earlier, Konversation was blinking at me |
| 00:20.33 | dkr | Xaya: hdparm? |
| 00:20.36 | inaety | i don't know who else would want my attention :P |
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| 00:20.42 | snowbird | ahh so that wasn't to bad |
| 00:20.46 | RockerMONO | inaety: nope, just said "inaety: you there?" =p |
| 00:20.53 | snowbird | once i edit my file i was ok |
| 00:20.59 | Xaya | dkr: i will try |
| 00:21.07 | inaety | RockerMONO: haha ive been at work like *real* 15 year olds |
| 00:21.30 | RockerMONO | ... |
| 00:21.45 | inaety | RockerMONO: you need to get a job |
| 00:21.53 | RockerMONO | inaety: i'm /trying/ to get one |
| 00:22.02 | snowbird | h3sp4wn, iam good for know |
| 00:22.06 | inaety | we all are |
| 00:22.08 | inaety | ^_^ |
| 00:22.23 | snowbird | nasty storm out |
| 00:22.55 | Xaya | dkr: it have any think with hdparm |
| 00:23.15 | inaety | RockerMONO: you know Bose speakers have their speakers made so that it when a song gets really loud it tries to tone it done so it stays consistent? |
| 00:23.15 | Xaya | i dont |
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| 00:26.45 | jbm | h3sp4wn: so.. amd64 kernels will run on x86?? |
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| 00:27.23 | Xaya | please any one know about a commande line in console mode that give me how hree space still in my hard drive |
| 00:27.36 | dkr | Xaya: df |
| 00:28.08 | wiebel | for a quick glimpse df -h |
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| 00:28.26 | snowbird | rocker man u want food while u fix pc? |
| 00:28.32 | Xaya | dkr: it work thx |
| 00:29.15 | Xaya | you are greate pepole here thanks |
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| 00:30.14 | h3sp4wn | jbm: Yes it is a situation known as a 32bit userland with a 64 bit kernel |
| 00:31.22 | jbm | so is it that there are no calls in the kernel that require any 64 bit features? |
| 00:31.22 | jbm | er amd64 features? |
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| 00:31.23 | snowbird | RockerMONO, how fast u p3? |
| 00:31.28 | wiebel | NO wrong no 64bit kernel will ever run on x86 arch |
| 00:31.54 | wiebel | @ h3sp4wn jbm |
| 00:32.03 | jbm | that's what i thought... hm. |
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| 00:32.33 | wiebel | the otherway round it works |
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| 00:33.50 | alex12345 | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
| 00:34.10 | h3sp4wn | wiebel: ? |
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| 00:34.45 | wiebel | you can't run a x86_64 kernel on x86 architecture |
| 00:34.47 | h3sp4wn | the linux-image-amd64 kernel in the x86 distribution is 64 bit |
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| 00:35.20 | jbm | right, and im running on a p3. |
| 00:35.22 | wiebel | sure as you can istall the whole distribution on eg a opteron |
| 00:35.30 | litage_ | when i grabbed the nullmailer source package, it said "dpkg-source: applying ./nullmailer_1.03-4.diff.gz". does that mean that it applied the Debian patches and i don't have to? |
| 00:35.52 | h3sp4wn | wiebel: That is still a 64 bit kernel |
| 00:36.10 | wiebel | then you can run the distribution (x86) under a x86_64 kernel, but never on a x86 architecture like P3 |
| 00:36.23 | antgel | litage_: sure, if you build it with debian's tools |
| 00:36.26 | antgel | which you should |
| 00:36.29 | wiebel | h3sp4wn, ok then go and install it and try to boot it |
| 00:36.44 | wiebel | absolutely impossible |
| 00:36.50 | jbm | won't the 64bit kernel assume some calls (and addy space) are available taht aren't? |
| 00:36.51 | lindenl1 | anyone have a good idea for can't contact ldap server |
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| 00:37.06 | antgel | litage_: yep, fix your system |
| 00:37.13 | stoned | dingle nuts |
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| 00:37.17 | wiebel | jbm, right like the whole upper 32bit *scnr* |
| 00:37.21 | h3sp4wn | wiebel: I have done it before |
| 00:37.21 | litage_ | antgel: fix my system? |
| 00:37.31 | wiebel | h3sp4wn, no you haven't |
| 00:38.00 | h3sp4wn | 32bit userland with a 64 bit kernel |
| 00:38.01 | wiebel | or you do have a 64bit architecture like atlon64 |
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| 00:38.19 | h3sp4wn | I am on athlon 64 |
| 00:38.22 | jbm | ok.. |
| 00:38.23 | wiebel | h3sp4wn, right no problem runing acrored under a 64bit kernel |
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| 00:38.37 | wiebel | h3sp4wn, CPU -> kernel -> userland |
| 00:38.45 | antgel | litage_: yes |
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| 00:39.04 | litage_ | antgel: what did i say that prompted you to suggest that i fix my system?? |
| 00:39.10 | h3sp4wn | wiebel: I think you are quite confused - I know what is possible |
| 00:39.22 | wiebel | (64bit) -> 64 -> 32 good 64 -> 32 -> 32 also good but never 32 -> 64 -> 32 |
| 00:39.42 | jbm | ok, the situation is a p3 processor. |
| 00:39.43 | h3sp4wn | That is true |
| 00:39.46 | antgel | litage_: sorry, aimed at lindenl1 :D |
| 00:39.52 | antgel | lindenl1: fix your system! |
| 00:39.54 | litage_ | antgel: np |
| 00:40.03 | cafuego | wiebel: Apparently 32 -> vmware -> 64 works |
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| 00:40.06 | antgel | litage_: you can leave your system alone |
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| 00:40.18 | litage_ | hahah |
| 00:40.24 | wiebel | cafuego, ok, i give up |
| 00:40.35 | alex12345 | I need some help with firewall. Can someone take a look at my configs? should I paste them on #flood? |
| 00:40.38 | wiebel | cafuego, but just the latest version |
| 00:40.38 | h3sp4wn | arm has some really wierd things it can do |
| 00:40.46 | cafuego | wiebel: I've not tried, but I was told this by someone who was installing a 64bit vm on a 32bit box. |
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| 00:41.15 | wiebel | cafuego, i also think so , very recently, however they did that |
| 00:41.16 | cafuego | wiebel: Yeah, and probably only if you have hardware vm support. |
| 00:41.29 | antgel | alex12345: a pastebin is better, with #flood you rely on people being there |
| 00:41.31 | cafuego | wiebel: My amd64 is old and cna't do 64bit VMs. |
| 00:41.41 | wiebel | hmmm hardware support is only possible on 64bit cpus |
| 00:42.00 | alex12345 | antgel: what's pastebin? |
| 00:42.25 | antgel | alex12345: what's google? :P |
| 00:42.51 | wiebel | jbm, be assured you will never ever see a x86_64 kernel running on your PIII |
| 00:43.17 | wiebel | else I'll go and install Vista on my HP48 |
| 00:43.30 | wiebel | and use it for the rest of my life ;) |
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| 00:43.58 | wiebel | jbm, if you dont cheat, by using real emulation like qemu |
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| 00:44.40 | alex12345 | antgel: I just posted it at http://pastebin.com/d31328764 |
| 00:45.07 | h3sp4wn | jbm: sort it out under qemu |
| 00:45.16 | h3sp4wn | use qemu-system-x86_64 |
| 00:45.51 | antgel | alex12345: i don't have time to look, but someone else might. you didn't say what the problem is, by the way. you may want to investigate a higher-level package like shorewall or firestarter |
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| 00:46.27 | wiebel | this could get bitter, nat that qemu is a great performer emulating lesser architectures but going the way up I don't see too much fun in it |
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| 00:47.33 | alex12345 | antgel: it doesnt work . ports are not blocked. |
| 00:47.36 | nferrier | help! |
| 00:47.47 | nferrier | I'm trying to install python2.5 and pscyopg2 |
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| 00:47.59 | nferrier | I can install python2.5 |
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| 00:48.11 | nferrier | but not so that psycopg2 can be fond |
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| 00:48.26 | nferrier | it's maddennning!!! anybody have a clue? |
| 00:48.33 | jbm | h3sp4wn: the thing is that's not a package in x86 |
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| 00:48.50 | nas | how do i get a usable kernel source with debian |
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| 00:48.59 | nas | im trying to compile nvidia drivers |
| 00:49.05 | wiebel | nferrier, ever tried aptitude install python-psycopg2 ? |
| 00:49.12 | jbm | i think this may just come down to writing an ugly script. |
| 00:49.16 | nas | i apted the kernel source and extracted it and made the sym link |
| 00:49.22 | jbm | or using python-apt, which is completely undocumented |
| 00:49.22 | nferrier | wiebel: I used apt-get |
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| 00:50.00 | wiebel | nferrier, like me an hour ago ;) but apt-get python-psycopg2 should also work |
| 00:50.27 | nferrier | wiebel: when I do apt-get install python-psycopg2 |
| 00:50.38 | nferrier | wiebel: I get it installed... but not so it's usable by python2.5 |
| 00:51.02 | wiebel | ok that sounds ugly |
| 00:51.03 | nferrier | wiebel: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/psycopyg2 has only the so in it |
| 00:51.11 | nferrier | wiebel: not the symlinks from common |
| 00:51.26 | \amethyst | nas: did you build your own kernel, or are you using the debian one? |
| 00:51.38 | nferrier | wiebel: it seems like 2.5 is _not_supported_ |
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| 00:51.45 | nferrier | jbm: thx. seems like it. |
| 00:51.58 | nas | \amethyst, im using the one that came with debian |
| 00:51.59 | nas | etch |
| 00:52.04 | nas | its 2.6.18-4 |
| 00:52.55 | nas | after extracting kernel source it complains about not being able to find version.h |
| 00:53.02 | solemnwarning | Is there a way I can mount a CIFS filesystem with UNIX extentions disabled? |
| 00:53.10 | solemnwarning | (smbfs-like) behavior |
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| 00:53.29 | wiebel | nas, is your /usr/src/linux correct? |
| 00:53.43 | nas | yes |
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| 00:53.48 | nas | symlink to the source |
| 00:53.53 | nas | but its like its not usable |
| 00:54.00 | \amethyst | nas: you want the linux-headers-2.6.18-4-* package to match your kernel |
| 00:54.05 | wiebel | nas, have you dine a make oldconfig |
| 00:54.19 | nas | wiebel, no i havent |
| 00:54.21 | \amethyst | nas: Some of the files, like version.h and config.h, don't get created until you build a kernel |
| 00:54.22 | nas | how? |
| 00:54.33 | L3R4F | hi all, do someone has a canon pixma printer? ^^ |
| 00:54.38 | verboz | hi all |
| 00:54.41 | nas | cp /boot/configsomething |
| 00:54.43 | wiebel | \amethyst, sure thet the headers are enough for nvidia? |
| 00:54.45 | nas | to /usr/source |
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| 00:54.57 | nas | and whats the config command so it wont got through all the questions |
| 00:54.59 | verboz | have problem with debian and pdo |
| 00:55.10 | NickSinister | hey debian guys...does any of the 21 debian disks have NDISWrapper on them? |
| 00:55.17 | \amethyst | wiebel: They're enough to build the debian nvidia-kernel package, and if they're not enough to build the rest there's probably GPL violation going on |
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| 00:55.26 | MasterGH | Hi, I've been trying to get my gtkrc file setup right to display the buddy lists on Gajim and Pidgin, but no-matter what I do the the font size, they stay the same really small text. |
| 00:55.29 | \amethyst | s/the rest/other versions/ |
| 00:55.44 | verboz | can not read http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/automake/aut.... |
| 00:55.47 | nas | i downloaded the headers \amethyst |
| 00:55.56 | nas | linux-headers-2.6.18-4 |
| 00:55.57 | verboz | what's the issues? |
| 00:56.02 | nas | i have that in /usr/src |
| 00:56.07 | nas | and i symlinked it |
| 00:56.14 | wiebel | \amethyst, funny you mention that as the older nvidia drivers doesn't build anymore on >2.6.19 because of a gnu violation |
| 00:56.17 | nas | but it still bitches about no version.h |
| 00:56.36 | alex12345 | NickSinister: what card do you have? |
| 00:56.38 | MasterGH | I can read the text, but it is a bit hard |
| 00:56.49 | \amethyst | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.53 | wiebel | nas, try a make dep |
| 00:57.11 | NickSinister | dwl g 122 |
| 00:57.17 | \amethyst | nas: export KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7; export KVERS=2.6.18-4-k7 # assuming it's k7 |
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| 00:57.30 | NickSinister | alex12345: d-link dwl g 122 |
| 00:57.41 | nas | ok i will try those |
| 00:57.42 | nas | thanks |
| 00:58.02 | verboz | can not read http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/automake/aut.... |
| 00:58.22 | \amethyst | nas: you can look at the docs in the nvidia-kernel-source package, they might help out further |
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| 00:58.29 | NickSinister | hello anyon? |
| 00:59.18 | cafuego | Settle, people are looking up what card that is. |
| 00:59.34 | NickSinister | oh good =) |
| 01:00.16 | MasterGH | here is a small screenshot of the text: http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/2351/screenshotpidginrq7.png the main problem is the small 'status' text |
| 01:01.24 | \amethyst | MasterGH: is the problem only in pidgin, or everywhere? |
| 01:01.29 | snowbird | went to start dhcp and wont |
| 01:01.31 | alex12345 | NickSinister: take a look at http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.laptops/browse_thread/thread/6eca644862f08487/ccd30f0c0ea0945d?lnk=st&q=noemail12000&rnum=1#ccd30f0c0ea0945d |
| 01:01.44 | MasterGH | \amethyst: its also in another GTK app (Gajim) and slightly in Iceweasel |
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| 01:01.56 | jzxu | how can I dump the scroll buffer of an xterm to stdout? |
| 01:02.00 | NickSinister | im looking.. |
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| 01:02.02 | RockerMONO | hey everyone |
| 01:02.05 | alex12345 | NickSinister: that's how I installed mine> It's different though |
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| 01:02.23 | RockerMONO | snowbird: heh i was gone =p |
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| 01:02.31 | MasterGH | \amethyst: would you like me to pastebin my .gtkrc-2.0 file? |
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| 01:02.39 | antgel | jzxu: in a real xterm, doesn't ctrl-click give you a logging option? |
| 01:02.56 | snowbird | RockerMONO, my dhcp is not start |
| 01:03.01 | RockerMONO | hm |
| 01:03.53 | jzxu | antgel: yes, but the contents are already in my scroll buffer |
| 01:04.03 | MasterGH | \amethyst: the actual menu text in Pidgin and Gajim change size when I modify my gtkrc file, but not the buddy list stuff, but the pidgin people say its a gtk thing |
| 01:04.08 | jzxu | antgel: I assume that option only logs future output? |
| 01:04.08 | verboz | i try to install PDO in debian server |
| 01:04.08 | verboz | can not read http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/automake/aut.... |
| 01:04.08 | verboz | ?? |
| 01:04.08 | verboz | what's the problem? |
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| 01:04.13 | antgel | jzxu: select, copy and paste |
| 01:04.27 | \amethyst | MasterGH: hm.. there's an Extended Preferences plugin that's supposed to be able to set that stuff |
| 01:04.31 | jzxu | antgel: there's way too much text, I can't fit it on one screen |
| 01:05.07 | MasterGH | \amethyst: the GTK modifier one? It doesn't seem to actually write to a file when I do it |
| 01:05.33 | \amethyst | MasterGH: This is "Extended Preferences" and as far as I can tell it only writes to the prefs.xml, not gtkrc |
| 01:05.38 | dkg | Could someone recommend a good, multi-language IDE? |
| 01:05.47 | MasterGH | \amethyst: ahh ok, I'll check that |
| 01:06.02 | antgel | jzxu: in rxvt (which may differ) left-click at the start of the selection. scroll to end. right-click end of selection. paste with middle |
| 01:06.13 | MasterGH | \amethyst: perfect! thanks! :) |
| 01:06.14 | antgel | !tell dkg about polls |
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| 01:06.35 | antgel | dkg: what are you developing? what are your requirements? |
| 01:06.42 | \amethyst | MasterGH: it looks like the status line below the buddy name is fixed at a few points smaller than the "Buddy List" font |
| 01:06.51 | jzxu | antgel: that worked, thanks |
| 01:06.56 | \amethyst | MasterGH: in that changing the latter changes them both in step, but they're not the same size |
| 01:07.07 | jzxu | I still have scroll-as-you-select syndrome from windows |
| 01:07.11 | MasterGH | \amethyst: yeah, the extended prefs plugin did it nicely, thanks a lot |
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| 01:07.16 | dkg | antgel: A kitchen-sink editor, that has a GUI similar to that of Notepad+. |
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| 01:07.29 | dkg | Tabbed, I meant. |
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| 01:08.31 | nferrier | jbm: rsync -av --ignore-existing /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/ /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages |
| 01:08.32 | MasterGH | \amethyst: I'm amazed the pidgin people couldn't even say about that |
| 01:08.47 | nferrier | jbm: I did -n first |
| 01:08.51 | nferrier | jbm: seems to work. |
| 01:09.12 | snowbird | RockerMONO, can i give dhcp conf to look at? |
| 01:09.27 | RockerMONO | snowbird: i dont know anything about that... i just lucked out and it worked |
| 01:09.28 | antgel | dkg: don't know about notepad+, but everyone will tell you vim or emacs. i lean to emacs for coding, vim for quick stuff, but that's only because i can drive emacs a bit better. i'm sure vim is equally as good. frankly both have piss-poor docs for new users, but both are brilliant |
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| 01:09.49 | antgel | dkg: the only thing to do is to dive in |
| 01:09.54 | MasterGH | \amethyst: after changing my gtk file Gajim works properly too, I just hadn't used it in a while |
| 01:09.59 | snowbird | RockerMONO, u could check it out and compare yours |
| 01:10.19 | dkg | antgel: I have an understanding of many basic Vim features, although I'm looking for something that cures my nostalgia for Windows programming editors. |
| 01:10.30 | antgel | you could also try eclipse if you are into that lifestyle shit :) personally i couldn't even be bothered to wait for it to start up |
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| 01:10.52 | \amethyst | dkg: gedit maybe? |
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| 01:11.12 | dkg | \amethyst: It's a bit feature-less, to be honest. |
| 01:11.15 | jzxu | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.15 | jzxu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:11.22 | antgel | dkg: i think that a little time battering the emacs learning curve might be time well spent if you're coding. if you have nostalgia for crap, how about something like gedit? |
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| 01:11.30 | antgel | heh :) |
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| 01:11.36 | jzxu | oops |
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| 01:11.45 | jzxu | didn't mean to do that |
| 01:11.54 | \amethyst | dkg: yeah, that's why I use emacs and vim :) |
| 01:11.58 | simonrvn | is there a package that takes care of making stuf like the .orig dir and tarball, from and svn checkout, to makes packages? |
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| 01:12.30 | antgel | dkg: oreilly have good learning emacs and vim learning books, rare occasion where i think it's worth buying a book - editors are central |
| 01:12.33 | litage_ | i ran ``dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b'' in /usr/src/nullmailer-1.03/ and one of the messages that flew by was "03_syslog.diff not applied to ./ ." why would that patch (and all of the others) not have been applied? |
| 01:12.35 | antgel | simonrvn: svn-buildpackage? |
| 01:12.47 | dkg | antgel: Thanks. |
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| 01:13.10 | simonrvn | antgel: i use emacs and vim like you do, but i know vim better, but really getting the hang of emacs, to the point of making emacs keystrokes in stuff like firefox |
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| 01:13.45 | antgel | dkg: in my mind emacs is slow, but that's not fair as i let it start in a window, but use vim in text mode in an xterm |
| 01:14.19 | stoned | owie |
| 01:14.24 | stoned | fuck fuck fuck |
| 01:14.25 | stoned | ow |
| 01:14.27 | stoned | that hurt |
| 01:14.29 | RockerMONO | stoned: ? |
| 01:14.29 | stoned | goddamit |
| 01:14.31 | stoned | fuck |
| 01:14.35 | RockerMONO | what? |
| 01:14.42 | simonrvn | antgel: plus a ihave a 50KB .emacs ;) |
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| 01:15.05 | simonrvn | that hurts, so you type it here instead of saying it? :) |
| 01:15.05 | antgel | dkg: really, learn both. it's not rocket science, and using them is the best way to learn. then you will not feel compelled to use the wrong tool for the job :) |
| 01:15.10 | xacier | what is the command to execute flightgear |
| 01:15.15 | antgel | simonrvn: i'd be interested to see it |
| 01:15.23 | stoned | simonrvn: oh I yol for a while |
| 01:15.30 | xacier | anyone? |
| 01:15.35 | stoned | yelled out loud |
| 01:15.36 | stoned | whatever |
| 01:15.41 | simonrvn | antgel: right now it's private because it's a goddamned mess |
| 01:15.44 | stoned | wha'eva' |
| 01:15.44 | RockerMONO | stoned: have you ever heard a sound so loud and high pitched that it made your eyes hurt? |
| 01:15.46 | antgel | dkg: /nobody/ writes their own .emacs or .vimrc. everyone leeches, as i'm attempting to do with simonrvn |
| 01:15.53 | simonrvn | stoned: heheh it's ok, hope you're ok |
| 01:15.53 | stoned | eyes? |
| 01:15.57 | RockerMONO | stoned: yes. |
| 01:16.00 | stoned | no sir |
| 01:16.03 | antgel | although someone must have written the first ones |
| 01:16.04 | stoned | only ears and brain |
| 01:16.06 | dkg | antgel: Haha. |
| 01:16.13 | antgel | simonrvn: as and when you're ready |
| 01:16.22 | simonrvn | xacier: dpkg -L flightgearwhateverpackage | grep bin |
| 01:16.22 | stoned | simonrvn: thanks man |
| 01:16.24 | \amethyst | antgel: something for your vimrc: command! -complete=file -nargs=* Make silent! make <args> | cw | redr! |
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| 01:16.36 | RockerMONO | stoned: dude a noise came from my DVD player that was high pitched enough and loud enough that it made my /eyes/ hurt |
| 01:16.37 | HomeRoey | hi! |
| 01:16.38 | stoned | simon my main man whats up whats goin on in the world of the northern folk |
| 01:16.39 | HomeRoey | how much does turning off atime accounting actually speed up performance of, say, dirvish backups? |
| 01:16.46 | \amethyst | antgel: it's a :Make command that does :make but also opens the error list |
| 01:17.09 | simonrvn | stoned: trying to package svn checkouts... O_O |
| 01:17.14 | xacier | nada |
| 01:17.16 | stoned | word |
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| 01:17.34 | stoned | simonrvn: I think i'm going to not take any more packaging projects |
| 01:17.41 | antgel | \amethyst: interesting, er how do i run it? *blush* |
| 01:17.42 | stoned | simonrvn: I'm going to concentrate solely on debian boot |
| 01:17.56 | stoned | simonrvn: that is, localizing debian install in Urdu |
| 01:17.56 | antgel | simonrvn: you saw what i said about svn-buildpackage? |
| 01:18.04 | simonrvn | stoned: nice |
| 01:18.14 | stoned | simonrvn: I've given it almost an entire year |
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| 01:18.17 | stoned | on and off |
| 01:18.18 | dkg | antgel: I'd like to know, do people willingly work in virtual terminals, even if they have the option of xterm? |
| 01:18.22 | stoned | still its not even close to being complete |
| 01:18.25 | simonrvn | antgel: yes, from the Desc.: doesn't look like it would do what i want |
| 01:18.35 | stoned | yea I was |
| 01:18.37 | stoned | by 20 minutes |
| 01:18.44 | stoned | but everyone else was late by 1-2 hours |
| 01:18.45 | \amethyst | antgel: everything from the word "command!" on goes in your .vimrc, on its own line. then you can do :Make and it will build the current program (run make, perl syntax check, etc., depending on the filetype) and open the error list |
| 01:18.48 | jetscreamer | idjit |
| 01:18.48 | stoned | traffic was horrible |
| 01:18.54 | stoned | I live like maybe 2 miles from work |
| 01:18.57 | stoned | so i made it |
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| 01:19.01 | jetscreamer | s/idjit/idjdit |
| 01:19.04 | jetscreamer | / |
| 01:19.05 | stoned | even the boss was pissed off cuz of the traffic |
| 01:19.09 | stoned | I wasn't late on purpose |
| 01:19.11 | antgel | i was going to get involved with debian-multimedia but someone's doing what i wanted, so i want to concentrate on the debian reference, it needs restructuring and improving |
| 01:19.12 | \amethyst | antgel: (where you can move to an error, press enter, and go to that line of code) |
| 01:19.28 | antgel | \amethyst: thanks, i'll try it sometime |
| 01:19.49 | lokkju_wrk | hey, can any of you recommend a good web shared hosting company? don't even need a vps, just basic php, and perhaps ruby - this isn't for me, it is for a client |
| 01:19.54 | stoned | jetscreamer: dragonforce man |
| 01:19.58 | stoned | I can't get that song outa my head |
| 01:20.13 | stoned | that shit was pimpin |
| 01:20.15 | antgel | \amethyst: my previous vimrc: http://paste.debian.net/34264 |
| 01:20.30 | antgel | dkg: you mean console mode? |
| 01:20.45 | dkg | antgel: Yes. |
| 01:20.48 | jetscreamer | it's tight, but missed some soul or something.. technical excercise maybe.. still good |
| 01:21.33 | stoned | jetscreamer: I agree |
| 01:21.54 | simonrvn | antgel: O_O |
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| 01:22.06 | stoned | jetscreamer: is my shit soulful or dry? |
| 01:22.09 | antgel | dkg: depends. to me it seems pretty militant, even with framebuffer. having said that, my current desktop consists of 9 rxvts, audacious, a minimised dia. have iceweasel, gaim, skype, and mutt on the other monitor. so i think x gives you more flexibility, even if you work with text-mode apps |
| 01:22.16 | simonrvn | antgel: one of the shortest vimrcs i've seen (other than 0 byte ;) O_O |
| 01:22.56 | sparr | I have a locale archive file (I think) that my localedef cant or wont read. Any ideas on getting data out of it? I would like to remove some locales. |
| 01:22.59 | dkg | antgel: Thanks. |
| 01:23.14 | antgel | \amethyst: i simply don't know enough to improve it, and i use it for quick edits, not hardcore sessions. i am one of the few people i know how navigates with the middle row *proud* |
| 01:23.25 | verboz | http://paste2.org/p/5636 |
| 01:23.27 | verboz | have problem with PDO |
| 01:23.34 | simonrvn | antgel: yeh, which is why i'm in x a lot more, but have like 3 screen sessions and 4 xterms open |
| 01:23.38 | dkg | antgel: .. which leads to my next question :P |
| 01:23.45 | simonrvn | (plus random gtk or other apps open) |
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| 01:24.20 | jetscreamer | verboz: did you ask in #debian-fr ? |
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| 01:24.37 | antgel | simonrvn: screen - another app i should be better at, but i just don't /need/ it enough to /bother/ learning it :P |
| 01:24.42 | verboz | ok i will ask |
| 01:25.04 | antgel | simonrvn: don't you forget what is invisible in a screen session? |
| 01:25.06 | jetscreamer | verboz: i can't speak french, must less read it |
| 01:25.10 | simonrvn | antgel: one is for tailing logs, the other two have 9 zsh open in them ;) |
| 01:25.12 | dkg | antgel: When editing with Vim in X, do you use GVim or Vim in xterm? |
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| 01:25.24 | stoned | simonrvn: http://paste.debian.net/34265 |
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| 01:25.41 | antgel | dkg: as i said above, vim in xterm |
| 01:25.51 | verboz | ok thanks no problem, but the problem that it can't download the package http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/automake/automake1.4_1.4-p6-12_all.deb |
| 01:25.52 | snowbird | antgel can you help me? |
| 01:26.08 | dkg | antgel: Ah, sorry. Thanks |
| 01:26.11 | antgel | dkg: don't be put off because i say that vim/emacs have sick learning curves, maybe i'm just slow |
| 01:26.24 | dkg | antgel: I know that they do. |
| 01:26.38 | dkg | antgel: I've been learning Vim slowly for weeks. Very, very slowly. |
| 01:26.40 | simonrvn | stoned: nice, i tend to use .vim scripts in ~/ |
| 01:26.47 | antgel | dkg: there is vimtutor - you tried it? |
| 01:26.52 | dkg | antgel: Yep. |
| 01:27.03 | stoned | simonrvn: nano is king baby |
| 01:27.04 | stoned | :) |
| 01:27.08 | simonrvn | ok, short nap for me. bbi2-3h |
| 01:27.17 | stoned | have fun |
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| 01:27.24 | simonrvn | i enabled syntax highlighting in nano yesterday. not bad |
| 01:27.31 | simonrvn | colouring etc. |
| 01:27.34 | stoned | yup |
| 01:27.43 | stoned | and its actually a good featureful editor |
| 01:28.09 | \amethyst | antgel: I realised I hadn't posted my vimrc online... it's at http://s-z.org/neil/config/ |
| 01:28.13 | jetscreamer | verboz: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/automake/automake1.4_1.4-p6-12_all.deb |
| 01:28.30 | antgel | dkg: the point i'm not making very well, is don't put yourself in a corner |
| 01:28.32 | dkg | I'm considering buying a new desk for use at home. I would like for someone to recommend me a particular brand of ergonomic computer desk. |
| 01:28.48 | dkg | antgel: *reinstalls Windows* |
| 01:28.52 | stoned | simonrvn: you gotta understand why too though. All through 4th to 8th grade our school had unix servers. We all had email addresses and we used pine for our email |
| 01:28.57 | jetscreamer | verboz: i couldn't connect to the fr version of that, http or ftp |
| 01:29.09 | antgel | \amethyst: not too intimidating :) |
| 01:29.24 | antgel | dkg: your funeral :) |
| 01:29.33 | dkg | antgel: Hehe. |
| 01:29.47 | jetscreamer | syntax highlighting in nano? |
| 01:30.24 | jetscreamer | stoned: mc-edit seems cool |
| 01:30.59 | jetscreamer | i would really love an edit.exe clone though, but maybe with a few features added on like highlights |
| 01:31.19 | stoned | jetscreamer: yes in nano |
| 01:31.23 | stoned | jetscreamer: never heard of it |
| 01:31.30 | stoned | jetscreamer: how about eldin |
| 01:31.34 | stoned | edlin* |
| 01:31.35 | jetscreamer | stoned: ever heard of mc ? |
| 01:31.41 | stoned | hammer? |
| 01:31.42 | stoned | yes |
| 01:31.43 | stoned | :) |
| 01:31.49 | stoned | can't touch this |
| 01:31.49 | jetscreamer | i had to use edlin a couple times on dos 5 or 6 |
| 01:31.51 | antgel | s/mc// |
| 01:31.51 | stoned | dananananana |
| 01:31.56 | jetscreamer | !info mc |
| 01:32.01 | dpkg | mc: (midnight commander - a powerful file manager), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:4.6.1-7 (sid), Packaged size: 2066 kB, Installed size: 5344 kB |
| 01:32.09 | jetscreamer | hence mc-edit |
| 01:32.12 | stoned | jetscreamer: edlin was cool heh, my first editor ever |
| 01:32.14 | stoned | dos 3 |
| 01:32.41 | stoned | then edit.exe so never used anything like edlin again after 3.0 |
| 01:32.53 | jetscreamer | edlin is stil in w2k not sure about xp |
| 01:32.57 | stoned | is it |
| 01:32.58 | \amethyst | on my apple II clone I didn't have a text editor, so instead I wrote BASIC programs that printed the text I wanted to save |
| 01:32.58 | stoned | damn |
| 01:33.04 | jetscreamer | they all are |
| 01:33.22 | \amethyst | 10?" It was a dark and stormy night" |
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| 01:33.47 | stoned | 10? |
| 01:33.48 | jetscreamer | 20 brk=0 |
| 01:33.56 | \amethyst | stoned: ? was short for print |
| 01:33.57 | CompWizrd | edlin is still in xp, yes |
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| 01:33.59 | antgel | wow, so much turned off in debian nano by default |
| 01:33.59 | jetscreamer | or was it brk()=o |
| 01:34.00 | stoned | oh |
| 01:34.02 | CompWizrd | 12,642 bytes |
| 01:34.11 | stoned | I messed with basic on my comm64 |
| 01:34.34 | stoned | I really actually got into programming in 8th grade |
| 01:34.39 | stoned | qbasic |
| 01:34.44 | \amethyst | I've still got a c64 programmer's manual (basic, assembly, and wiring diagrams(!)) on the bookshelf :) |
| 01:35.00 | CompWizrd | i learned basic on a machine with 1kb of ram, and it's traumatized me ever since! |
| 01:35.01 | HomeRoey | stoned: that's great that ou got into it that early |
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| 01:35.06 | stoned | me and my friend made this game in qbasic, where you have a few druids and you move em around with the keys |
| 01:35.09 | stoned | they didn't do anything |
| 01:35.12 | stoned | but just moved around |
| 01:35.13 | \amethyst | CompWizrd: ZX Sinclair? |
| 01:35.14 | stoned | animated |
| 01:35.15 | HomeRoey | stoned: How old are you now? |
| 01:35.19 | stoned | 26 |
| 01:35.24 | HomeRoey | oh cool, I just turned 27 |
| 01:35.25 | CompWizrd | \amethyst: yup.. zx81 and the ts/1000 |
| 01:35.25 | \amethyst | CompWizrd: or did that one have 4 kB? |
| 01:35.27 | HomeRoey | same thing here... |
| 01:35.28 | stoned | word |
| 01:35.31 | HomeRoey | stoned: well... I got into it around 10 |
| 01:35.36 | CompWizrd | the ts/1000 had 2kb if i remember right |
| 01:35.40 | HomeRoey | stoned: but it wasn't much... just me reading a C manual |
| 01:35.40 | stoned | I am from pakistan |
| 01:35.42 | CompWizrd | and then we had the 16k memory packs after |
| 01:35.48 | stoned | I didn't have a computer until I was 8 |
| 01:35.53 | HomeRoey | stoned: aye :) understood |
| 01:35.57 | stoned | its because we didn't get much technology back there |
| 01:36.02 | HomeRoey | stoned: *only* until you were 8 |
| 01:36.02 | HomeRoey | bah |
| 01:36.03 | stoned | and i only got it cuz my parents were rich |
| 01:36.07 | HomeRoey | stoned: I had to wait till I was 10 :P |
| 01:36.11 | stoned | heh |
| 01:36.20 | jetscreamer | zomfg smoothscrolling in nano |
| 01:36.28 | stoned | jetscreamer: nano is the bomb |
| 01:36.30 | lithophyte | what's nano |
| 01:36.33 | stoned | !nano |
| 01:36.33 | dpkg | nano is probably at http://www.nano-editor.org/, or a DFSG-free alternative to pico, or 10^-9, or for old koreans |
| 01:36.33 | HomeRoey | stoned: my parents were not rich... so I made due with a 286 and monochrome monitor until 93 |
| 01:36.35 | \amethyst | CompWizrd: I remember when I read the Osborne "program your own adventure games in Basic book" they had lots of "you'll have to leave this out if you're on a ZX Sinclair, there's no room for it" :) |
| 01:36.40 | CompWizrd | \amethyst: i liked the chess game in 1 kbyte :) |
| 01:36.41 | lithophyte | oh nm |
| 01:36.49 | \amethyst | s/Basic book"/Basic" books |
| 01:36.56 | HomeRoey | stoned: anyway, good night :) gotta go |
| 01:36.56 | stoned | HomeRoey: my first laptop ever! I have it still, I love it, and I will neve rever sell it or lose it till I die |
| 01:37.02 | HomeRoey | :) awwwwww |
| 01:37.03 | stoned | HomeRoey: night |
| 01:37.06 | stoned | wait |
| 01:37.08 | HomeRoey | aye |
| 01:37.08 | stoned | check this first |
| 01:37.09 | antgel | stoned: can i buy it? |
| 01:37.14 | HomeRoey | ok |
| 01:37.20 | stoned | 25.33mhz, 4mb ram, 80mb hdd, 2400baud |
| 01:37.21 | stoned | :D |
| 01:37.24 | HomeRoey | ooooooh |
| 01:37.27 | stoned | I still use it time to time |
| 01:37.29 | stoned | Compuadd machine |
| 01:37.31 | stoned | 1992 |
| 01:37.34 | stoned | I was 11 |
| 01:37.42 | antgel | !tell stoned about enter |
| 01:37.53 | HomeRoey | mine was 286/16 with 1MB RAM, 40 MB HD and Hercules mono graphics card (and a monochrome monitor) |
| 01:37.54 | lithophyte | I've got commodore 64 you can play bubble bobble on it |
| 01:37.57 | stoned | !tell antgel -about stoned |
| 01:38.00 | jetscreamer | stoned nano has been my choice since woody, but i never knew it did all this |
| 01:38.15 | stoned | jetscreamer: hehe |
| 01:38.17 | HomeRoey | My next computer past that was a 486 dx2/66 with 16 megs of ram and a 500 MB hard drive |
| 01:38.25 | antgel | stoned: dude, you should know better, you're making my screen scroll somewhat fast :) |
| 01:38.36 | stoned | antgel: I do know, thank you for reminding me |
| 01:38.52 | HomeRoey | After that, it was an Athlon AMD K6-2/300 with 32 MB RAM and 30 GB (I think?) HD |
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| 01:39.11 | antgel | stoned: having said that, it's 2:30 and i've gotta get some sleep, so do what you want :) |
| 01:39.32 | stoned | have fun |
| 01:39.37 | antgel | i had a 486SX/25 |
| 01:39.38 | HomeRoey | and after that, it was a something else AMD with sojmething else. I forgot that computer, actually. ANd now I have an amd athlon64 3200+ with 2 gigs of ram and 2x74GB raptors in raid1 with a 400 GB drive for backup and music storage. |
| 01:39.39 | HomeRoey | weeeeeeeeee |
| 01:39.39 | HomeRoey | :) |
| 01:39.40 | antgel | my first pc |
| 01:39.46 | stoned | ok go sleep guys |
| 01:39.46 | HomeRoey | hey Anton! |
| 01:39.52 | HomeRoey | I mean Antony |
| 01:39.58 | HomeRoey | antgel, I still love your nick |
| 01:39.59 | HomeRoey | it's cute |
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| 01:40.07 | HomeRoey | ants, gel, what would ants possibly need gel for, etc. |
| 01:40.11 | HomeRoey | slicking their antennae? |
| 01:40.17 | antgel | HomeRoey: did stoned hit you with the enter stick? :P |
| 01:40.23 | antgel | later all, peace out |
| 01:40.25 | HomeRoey | heh |
| 01:40.26 | HomeRoey | ciao man |
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| 01:40.47 | HomeRoey | alright, stoned, atcha, good night :) |
| 01:41.04 | nas | ok i fixed the nvidia driver compile problem. it was my fault |
| 01:41.09 | nas | i was apting out of sid |
| 01:41.16 | HomeRoey | :) |
| 01:41.17 | HomeRoey | :) :) :) |
| 01:41.19 | HomeRoey | hahahaha |
| 01:41.24 | nas | so it wasnt getting the kernel headers |
| 01:41.30 | jetscreamer | you crush up the ants and make a nice gel |
| 01:41.36 | HomeRoey | oh, you meant apt as the command, not as a pun on the command |
| 01:41.51 | HomeRoey | jetscreamer: or gel for ants to brush their teeth |
| 01:41.59 | stoned | jetscreamer: #music |
| 01:42.07 | HomeRoey | jetscreamer: the funny thing is I have a friend named anton gelXXX |
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| 01:42.18 | HomeRoey | (the last letters also something Jewish) |
| 01:45.04 | sparr | Lots of packages are installing locale data that I do not want. Is there a 'right' way to get rid of it? Or to prevent future packages from installing more? Can I divert /usr/share/locale/ to /dev/null? |
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| 01:51.48 | irwiss | sparr, apt-cache show localepurge ? |
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| 01:58.07 | kuriousKitty | Other than the logo, are there major differences from one distro flavor to the next |
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| 02:00.23 | asg | kuriousKitty: yes |
| 02:00.23 | krazykit | kuriousKitty, yes, the package manager systems being one of the largest differences. |
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| 02:01.01 | wingot | Hey |
| 02:01.22 | wingot | I've just installed debian, and after doing apt-get update, it is refusing to install any packages |
| 02:01.36 | wingot | It keeps comming up "Couldn't find package foobar" |
| 02:01.47 | wingot | Yet the update went fine |
| 02:01.59 | stew | wingot: you probably need to setup sources.list: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 02:02.00 | wingot | Even for packages like openssh, "Cannot find package openssh" |
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| 02:02.28 | fmarostica | Where Can I do find beryl package for debian etch? |
| 02:02.58 | asg | wingot: the package isn't called openssh, just ssh. Use apt-cache search <foobar> to find packages to install. |
| 02:03.24 | wingot | "Invalid operation search" :) |
| 02:03.35 | asg | wingot: apt-cache search, not apt-get search |
| 02:03.37 | wingot | Ohh, apt-cache |
| 02:03.38 | wingot | Sorry |
| 02:03.43 | drwahl | can any one help me compile a C program? |
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| 02:04.14 | asg | drwahl: #c is a good place to start. Make sure you have installed the 'build-essential' package |
| 02:04.23 | drwahl | asg: thank you |
| 02:04.33 | asg | drwahl: you're welcome |
| 02:04.45 | snowbird | is there a dhcp check tool |
| 02:04.54 | snowbird | mine wont start at boot |
| 02:04.56 | wingot | asg: Thanks. Turns out I was just using bad package names :) |
| 02:04.59 | fmarostica | Where Can I do find beryl package for debian etch? |
| 02:05.10 | asg | wingot: s/bad/different/ :0 |
| 02:05.23 | kuriousKitty | Is there a "theme" to debian? |
| 02:05.41 | kuriousKitty | Is it a minimal distro...geared towards programming... |
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| 02:05.47 | AZ_AS | apt-get's my favorite "theme" of debian ;) |
| 02:05.50 | wingot | Isn't ipw3945 meant to be ipw3945d, ipw3945-ucode, and ipw3945-modules? |
| 02:05.55 | asg | drwahl: another debian specific hint: if compilation fails because libfoo can't be found, make sure to install the libfoo-dev package. |
| 02:05.56 | wingot | Because all I'm seeing is modules |
| 02:05.59 | krazykit | kuriousKitty, it's pretty much whatever you want it to be. |
| 02:06.14 | wingot | kuriousKitty: stability :) |
| 02:06.23 | kuriousKitty | I like that answer |
| 02:06.24 | kuriousKitty | lol |
| 02:06.39 | kuriousKitty | No random bsod, huh? ;) |
| 02:06.40 | stew | wingot: not ipw3945-ucode, but firmware-ipw3945, and those are in nonfree: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 02:07.24 | stew | kuriousKitty: there isnt a 'theme' to debian. it is not a minimal distro, and not geared towards programmers |
| 02:07.43 | kuriousKitty | I've tried Suse, fedora, gentoo...I just don't feel like I've found what I'm looking for yet |
| 02:07.51 | kuriousKitty | Which probably means I don't know how to make it yet |
| 02:07.58 | jetscreamer | debian is what other distro use to make their distros out of |
| 02:08.03 | asg | kuriousKitty: what are you looking for? |
| 02:08.08 | jetscreamer | like ubuntu |
| 02:08.26 | jetscreamer | s/distro/distros/ |
| 02:08.33 | kuriousKitty | I'm looking to really expand my knowlege; I want to primarily learn about OS theory and techniques |
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| 02:08.42 | wingot | kuriousKitty: archlinux is good |
| 02:08.48 | AZ_AS | stew, not that I'm a programmer (ha), but what distros do you have in mind when talking of one geared for programmers? |
| 02:08.50 | kuriousKitty | By supplementing my reading with real-world examples & source code |
| 02:08.51 | wingot | Or, if you want to go real painfully low level, LFS |
| 02:09.05 | kuriousKitty | Well, I DO like pretty, too |
| 02:09.10 | kuriousKitty | Not SO low-level yet |
| 02:09.11 | jetscreamer | lfs is what you just described |
| 02:09.12 | wingot | Also, Gentoo you always have the source code available |
| 02:09.12 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 02:09.25 | kuriousKitty | I don't know quite that much at this early stage |
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| 02:09.51 | wingot | Is there a way to turn off the beeps? |
| 02:09.59 | jetscreamer | it's this or ubuntu then... for a quick comparison, compare #ubuntu with #debian |
| 02:10.00 | wingot | This console is really annoying me :) |
| 02:10.03 | stew | AZ_AS: i don't know of any |
| 02:10.06 | asg | wingot: /msg dpkg beep |
| 02:10.20 | wingot | asg: Is there anything taht guy doesn't know? |
| 02:10.29 | kuriousKitty | And above all, to fully and completely eliminate all that is Microsoft from my life |
| 02:10.29 | asg | wingot: actually, that's the wrong factoid |
| 02:10.31 | kuriousKitty | Permanently |
| 02:10.40 | AZ_AS | stew, 'k, not a problem :) |
| 02:10.42 | wingot | Yeah, that's not helpful :) |
| 02:10.54 | asg | wingot: indeed |
| 02:11.03 | jetscreamer | but there is a factoid it seems... |
| 02:11.09 | kuriousKitty | I'm torrent...enting..ing...debian isos now |
| 02:11.18 | kuriousKitty | I don't know the declination of torrent |
| 02:11.25 | jetscreamer | you can just d/l ... see also netinstall |
| 02:11.31 | jetscreamer | !d-i |
| 02:11.31 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 02:11.33 | wingot | netinstall is good |
| 02:11.40 | wingot | It means you don't have outdated packages to start with |
| 02:11.49 | wingot | Well, outdated in comparison to debian repos :) |
| 02:11.52 | asg | wingot: /msg dpkg bell |
| 02:12.05 | kuriousKitty | I want as much source-code as possible, too |
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| 02:12.20 | kuriousKitty | W/out downloading each individual package (boo) |
| 02:12.29 | wingot | asg: Thanks |
| 02:12.38 | asg | wingot: you're welcome |
| 02:12.47 | wingot | kuriousKitty: With debian, you can selectively download the source code |
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| 02:13.22 | kuriousKitty | Is it cute? |
| 02:13.40 | asg | kuriousKitty: apt-get install cowsay |
| 02:13.52 | kuriousKitty | Is that like compiz for debian? |
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| 02:14.11 | wingot | No, Compiz is like Compiz for debian :) |
| 02:14.17 | kuriousKitty | lol |
| 02:14.23 | asg | kuriousKitty: no, it's a customizable talking textual cow ... great fun at parties |
| 02:14.23 | kuriousKitty | Sorry, I'm really new to this |
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| 02:14.57 | kuriousKitty | I want people to look at my puter and be scared to even ask to use it |
| 02:15.16 | jamil | i need IDE to C,C++ and java in kde |
| 02:15.17 | jamil | ¡? |
| 02:15.19 | jamil | ¿? |
| 02:15.24 | asg | kuriousKitty: google for the Cthulhu case mod |
| 02:15.27 | Ronin | kuriousKitty: then run fluxbox, heh they'll never know what to do :) |
| 02:15.43 | asg | Ronin: or ion2 |
| 02:15.44 | Ronin | "where's the damn start button?" |
| 02:15.58 | sparr | I --force'd a package to install despite broken dependencies. How can I tell apt to ignore those broken dependencies as I do other things? |
| 02:16.21 | wingot | Hmm, how do I set daemons to start at boot in debian? |
| 02:16.37 | asg | wingot: update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 02:17.10 | kuriousKitty | Sweet I just attained 2048x1536 <drools> |
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| 02:19.03 | kuriousKitty | Wow...so many windows managers |
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| 02:19.30 | wingot | kuriousKitty: window managers |
| 02:20.30 | kuriousKitty | Ya, that's what I erroniously typed |
| 02:20.36 | kuriousKitty | =) |
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| 02:21.59 | kuriousKitty | Viewsonic never mentioned I would have to upgrade to cybernetic eyes with this monitor <squints> |
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| 02:23.23 | wingot | kuriousKitty: It's an assumption that everybody with the money to buy one of those already has cyb eyes |
| 02:23.49 | kuriousKitty | It was worth it; so much real estate... |
| 02:24.17 | wingot | ²21" Widescreen? |
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| 02:24.32 | wingot | 2048x1536 ... |
| 02:24.40 | wingot | 23"? |
| 02:24.44 | stoned | hehe |
| 02:24.46 | stoned | demons |
| 02:24.48 | stoned | in my computer |
| 02:24.49 | kuriousKitty | no, 24" widescreen Dell 2405fpw at 1920x1200 + Viewsonic 24" G220fb CRT |
| 02:25.01 | stoned | haha |
| 02:25.03 | kuriousKitty | At 2048x1536 |
| 02:25.11 | cafuego | Nah, 2 rotated 1024x768 CRTs side by side ;-) |
| 02:25.23 | stoned | I just found a bit of the magic tweeds in my belly button |
| 02:25.24 | stoned | lol |
| 02:25.48 | wingot | kuriousKitty: cst? |
| 02:26.01 | stopher | Hello, I'm still having problems with my debian server randomly dropping from the network, completely inaccessible via the internet nor LAN (http, ftp, etc. all fails, however server says all interfaces up, and router shows the connection is just fine in the configuration.) Is there something I can do to fix this? Most of the time, I have to reboot the server, wait awhile, reboot the router, then reboot the server again. It's not stick |
| 02:26.07 | wingot | I wonder whether I can get work to buy me one of those :) |
| 02:26.10 | inaety | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.17 | kuriousKitty | City State ...Town? |
| 02:26.19 | kuriousKitty | what's that? |
| 02:27.37 | kuriousKitty | Eastern standard time...duh...I'm sorry |
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| 02:27.50 | kuriousKitty | It's been a long super-hot day |
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| 02:28.24 | kuriousKitty | brb |
| 02:29.00 | stoned | stopher: are you sure the network card is good? |
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| 02:29.32 | stopher | it was working just fine for two months, i believe the network card is fine as the server can access the internet and etc. outbound is fine, inbound halts though |
| 02:29.53 | stoned | stopher: any firewall rules ? |
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| 02:30.30 | stopher | i don't believe so... |
| 02:30.36 | stoned | anything preventing incoming traffic? maybe the router itself? |
| 02:30.52 | stoned | you lan too huh |
| 02:31.00 | stopher | the router passes just fine, as far as I can see. |
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| 02:31.18 | stopher | i have firewall exceptions and forwarding on the router |
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| 02:32.01 | stoned | packets are being dropped altogether or are they going through fine at first then at random completely shutdown |
| 02:32.32 | stopher | packets dropped inbound all togther |
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| 02:33.50 | stopher | stoned: there are times when everything will work fine, then it will randomly stop and drop all packets, then randomly come back up |
| 02:34.02 | stopher | numerous restarts of router/server sometimes doesn't fix it |
| 02:34.44 | jetscreamer | sounds like it could be flaky hardware |
| 02:34.52 | stoned | was my first guess |
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| 02:35.51 | stoned | if he has incoming packets then rules are not set obviously, and if it is an intermittent issue, then it must be hardware related |
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| 02:37.27 | stopher | Well, i do have two NIC's installed, one set to *.205 and the other *.206, both fail |
| 02:37.32 | stopher | at the same times |
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| 02:40.01 | stopher | i hope it's not the cisco switch that i have... that would suck if it was failing |
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| 02:40.17 | stopher | i can try and see if it works properly when directly connected to teh master HUB |
| 02:41.21 | stoned | yeh that would be a start |
| 02:41.43 | drwahl | it seems as though i do not have memset installed. is there a way to verify this, or install it? |
| 02:41.49 | jetscreamer | memset? |
| 02:41.53 | jetscreamer | !find memset |
| 02:41.54 | drwahl | yes |
| 02:42.01 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'memset' (4 of 7): (/usr/share/dist/U/d_memset.U) in devel/dist ;; (/usr/lib/perl/5.8.8/auto/POSIX/memset.al) in perl/perl ;; (/usr/lib/debian-test/tests/linux/testcases/bin/memset01) in misc/ltp-kernel-test ;; (/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdevelop/reference/C/MAN/memset.htm) in devel/c-cpp-reference. |
| 02:42.01 | jetscreamer | never heard of it |
| 02:42.09 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 02:42.09 | dpkg | somebody said search was try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 02:42.15 | stoned | !memset |
| 02:42.30 | jetscreamer | all i know |
| 02:42.34 | drwahl | hmm... |
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| 02:44.55 | stopher | hmm i seem to have forgotten the IP that the switch runs on and the sticker fell off! sheesh! |
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| 02:45.29 | stopher | *.100 that did it :D |
| 02:46.31 | stopher | stoned, jetscreamer: i can access the webadmin of the cisco switch, it shows everything is fine and no packets are lost, however i cannot access the server |
| 02:46.41 | snowbird | this old got got dhcp back |
| 02:46.50 | jetscreamer | stopher: no idea, that was my only thought |
| 02:46.53 | snowbird | fixed it on my own |
| 02:47.04 | stopher | Hmm Server1 port seems to be down :( |
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| 02:48.23 | stopher | Nope, it's up! |
| 02:48.27 | stopher | Any other ideas? |
| 02:48.42 | stopher | Cisco switch shows activity on teh ports now, however i can't access the sites still |
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| 02:53.22 | stopher | hard reset of the switch doesn't bring the server online |
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| 02:53.36 | stopher | soft reset doesnt'either |
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| 02:53.57 | jetscreamer | are you trying by ip? |
| 02:54.16 | jetscreamer | or hostname |
| 02:55.04 | stopher | neither works |
| 02:55.35 | snowbird | RockerMONO, i got dhcp |
| 02:55.42 | RockerMONO | cool |
| 02:55.50 | snowbird | was a package |
| 02:56.02 | snowbird | next is my scaner and my printer maybe samba |
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| 02:59.31 | stopher | okay plugged directly into the Hub didn't work either |
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| 03:04.26 | snowbird | RockerMONO, |
| 03:04.34 | RockerMONO | yes? |
| 03:04.38 | snowbird | dam kat ran away had to catch her |
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| 03:04.55 | snowbird | waht pc did u burn dou need router? |
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| 03:05.11 | RockerMONO | ? |
| 03:05.16 | RockerMONO | noo the PC didn't burn |
| 03:05.22 | RockerMONO | i overheated it pretty bad though |
| 03:05.26 | snowbird | want may belkin router wireless |
| 03:05.33 | RockerMONO | nahh mine works for now |
| 03:05.36 | snowbird | was overheated pc a p3? |
| 03:05.43 | RockerMONO | nope |
| 03:05.44 | RockerMONO | p1 |
| 03:05.45 | RockerMONO | =p |
| 03:05.48 | snowbird | bought 3 com one |
| 03:05.55 | RockerMONO | hm |
| 03:06.02 | axolx | hey guys -- im moving my home network from static IP based to dhcp. now that hosts dont have a static IP, how can the router refer to them by hostname? before i was using static mapping via /etc/hosts |
| 03:06.12 | snowbird | this one is 100 drive 512 rram 1.2 cpu |
| 03:06.31 | RockerMONO | snowbird: how hard do you think it would be to make a miniature Commodore 64 considering all the technical advances? :) |
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| 03:06.44 | RockerMONO | snowbird: or should i just make my own OS |
| 03:06.55 | RockerMONO | [note: not even debian boots on this piece of crap i'm working on] |
| 03:07.40 | RockerMONO | hmm |
| 03:07.55 | snowbird | rocker that is old pc |
| 03:08.02 | RockerMONO | snowbird: 12 years old to be exact |
| 03:08.03 | RockerMONO | =p |
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| 03:08.21 | snowbird | wow now |
| 03:08.29 | snowbird | like 1980 model |
| 03:08.38 | snowbird | 19 years i think |
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| 03:08.41 | Rusty1 | axolx: what router ? |
| 03:08.47 | RockerMONO | snowbird: no.... 12 years old == 1995 ;) |
| 03:08.48 | snowbird | 12 year old i p3500 |
| 03:09.02 | snowbird | comadore here is 1980 |
| 03:09.04 | RockerMONO | snowbird: pentium 1, 32MB RAM |
| 03:09.07 | snowbird | i got bill |
| 03:09.09 | RockerMONO | snowbird: oh, not a commodore |
| 03:09.17 | snowbird | rocker thats a 1988 |
| 03:09.24 | RockerMONO | snowbird: it's not a commodore |
| 03:09.30 | snowbird | comadore vic 20 vic 64 |
| 03:09.49 | axolx | Rusty1: the server that's acting as a router. i would like to be able to refer to hosts by name from that computer, but since the IPs are set dynamically i can't do it via the /etc/hosts files. makes sense? |
| 03:10.01 | RockerMONO | snowbird: i'm trying to decide between /emulating/ a C64 or making my own os from scratch [debian wont boot on this old computer\ |
| 03:10.02 | RockerMONO | ] |
| 03:10.11 | snowbird | rocker |
| 03:10.16 | RockerMONO | hm? |
| 03:10.18 | snowbird | try puppy linux |
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| 03:10.26 | snowbird | ill fit it on there or dsl |
| 03:10.33 | snowbird | floppy disk |
| 03:10.34 | RockerMONO | snowbird: i have hal95 or something like that and it works |
| 03:10.53 | snowbird | RockerMONO, il get u link for someting can i pm |
| 03:11.00 | RockerMONO | yea |
| 03:11.22 | RockerMONO | snowbird: but note: it's disassembled right now because the box is too small :( |
| 03:11.37 | Rusty1 | axolx: might want to check out dnsmasq , does dhcp serving and dns nicely |
| 03:11.45 | deepspace | My root filesystem got mounted readonly. No matter what I do, I cannot remount it writeable. I keep trying mount -o rw,remount / and the error I get is /dev/hda3 already mounted (duh) or busy |
| 03:11.46 | RockerMONO | snowbird: woooo got it xD |
| 03:12.03 | deepspace | This is a huge problem and it is driving me batty. I'd reboot with a CD but theres no CD rom in this machine. Does anyone have any other suggestions? |
| 03:12.06 | axolx | Rusty1: thanks. will look into it |
| 03:12.20 | deepspace | Is it possible to get some kind of rudimentary shell from grub so I can fix the fstab (which is what is causing it to mount ro) |
| 03:12.21 | snowbird | RockerMONO, u get u nor reg |
| 03:12.28 | RockerMONO | ? |
| 03:12.35 | RockerMONO | oh yea i got it |
| 03:12.37 | snowbird | that link get to u |
| 03:12.49 | RockerMONO | yea |
| 03:13.06 | maxamillion | deepspace: well there is a grub "shell" but i believe it only allows you to edit the grub config .... its possible that a boot parameter is just incorrect |
| 03:13.20 | deepspace | No, it's definitely the fstab options that is causing this. |
| 03:13.20 | anapivirtua | Ola / Hi / Bonjour / Mooh. |
| 03:13.25 | deepspace | This is driving me up a wall. |
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| 03:14.34 | snowbird | thats cool here one more |
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| 03:15.25 | deepspace | Great |
| 03:15.30 | deepspace | I guess my system is permanently hosed. |
| 03:15.41 | deepspace | This is a distinctly stupid situation. |
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| 03:16.15 | maxamillion | deepspace: it really is ... i can't even think of how it would happen |
| 03:16.35 | deepspace | auto,exec,nouser,rw,suid,dev,async,errors=remount-ro,user_xattr,noatime,data=writeback |
| 03:16.39 | deepspace | it's the errors=remount-ro |
| 03:16.45 | deepspace | Now I'd change that in fstab of course |
| 03:16.54 | deepspace | But I can't since the stupid file system is locked as read only |
| 03:17.31 | lithophyte | get a usb boot stick with linux |
| 03:17.41 | deepspace | No usb in this old system |
| 03:17.43 | deepspace | nor cd rom |
| 03:18.01 | deepspace | its a file server, it doesnt do much but all my stuff is there |
| 03:18.11 | deepspace | I may just have to re-install, but this is a situation that should have some kind of way out. |
| 03:18.41 | deepspace | I was looking at the Gentoo wiki, they have an article on this, and they tell you to just remount / as writeable but every time I try, it tells me it is "busy" |
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| 03:18.51 | lithophyte | take the drive out, put it in another machine |
| 03:18.55 | deepspace | yeah |
| 03:18.57 | deepspace | I may have to do that |
| 03:19.01 | deepspace | What a drag though |
| 03:19.43 | catbot | helo |
| 03:20.02 | catbot | i use iceweasel on debian 4.0 |
| 03:20.51 | catbot | sometime, it coredump when i open web |
| 03:21.38 | catbot | i want to debug it, but i found it written in shell, the gdb would not work on it |
| 03:21.57 | catbot | anybody have some advise? |
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| 03:22.34 | zodmaner | Guys, Rhythmbox gives out this error (in terminal): |
| 03:22.39 | zodmaner | (rhythmbox:6331): RhythmDB-WARNING **: trying to sync properties of non-editable file |
| 03:22.55 | zodmaner | When trying to update podcast feeds |
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| 03:23.35 | zodmaner | Could anyone please tell me how to fixes this error? |
| 03:23.42 | snowbird | almost died chaseing kat |
| 03:23.46 | snowbird | sore chest |
| 03:23.52 | catbot | maybe you need root privillage |
| 03:24.57 | zodmaner | Really? But I used I'm sure Rhythmbox used to be able to update feeds without using root privillage |
| 03:25.21 | stew | there is no way that anything having anything to do with a podcast needs root privileges |
| 03:25.50 | snowbird | stew i fixed my dhcp today i like u help |
| 03:26.03 | stew | snowbird: i'm sorry, i don't understand you |
| 03:26.15 | snowbird | u were here earlier |
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| 03:26.47 | smacnay | What does the 's' in this ownership line mean? "sticky"? |
| 03:26.52 | smacnay | rwsr-xr-x |
| 03:27.31 | slidesinger | Is there any way to test if your sound is working. I play a cd, but get no sound. I am uncertain if the problem lies with mplayer or with alsa. The modules all seem to be loaded. |
| 03:27.31 | stew | smacnay: suid, it means that when the file is run, it will use the privileges of the owner of the file. |
| 03:27.34 | slidesinger | (snd_via82xx, snd_ac97_codec, snd_ac97_bus, snd_pcm_oss, snd_mixer_oss, and a host of others ending in midi) |
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| 03:27.46 | slidesinger | alsamixer loads fine and all channels have the mute off and the fader up. Still I get no sound. |
| 03:28.00 | stew | slidesinger: are you in the audio group? |
| 03:28.07 | snowbird | are speakers plugged in |
| 03:28.08 | smacnay | stew: thanks - that is the perms for xane - I am trying to run it as user and not as root. |
| 03:28.34 | slidesinger | snowbird: yes, I checked the speakers. Known good and plugged in. |
| 03:28.34 | smacnay | stew: xsane |
| 03:28.46 | slidesinger | stew: let me check. |
| 03:28.52 | snowbird | is sound card dead |
| 03:28.59 | stew | snowbird: does "groups" list audio |
| 03:29.15 | snowbird | not for me |
| 03:29.53 | slidesinger | stew: yes, user is in the audio group. |
| 03:30.05 | stew | smacnay: did you add suid? i'd think there was a better way to do it, like adding yourself to some group that owns a file in /dev/ |
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| 03:30.48 | slidesinger | snowbird: I am trying to determine that, althoug system alerts (beep) are passing through the sound card. |
| 03:31.02 | summer_s4 | Can i get support here about linux mint? |
| 03:31.13 | stew | slidesinger: does "fuser /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp" return anything? |
| 03:31.46 | slidesinger | command not found |
| 03:31.49 | stew | summer_s4: what is linux mint? |
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| 03:32.24 | slidesinger | stew: a debian based distro, iirc. |
| 03:32.48 | slidesinger | (linux mint, that is) |
| 03:33.06 | stew | slidesinger: aptitude install psmisc ; and try again |
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| 03:33.58 | slidesinger | /dev/snd/controlC0: 2760 |
| 03:34.05 | slidesinger | /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p: 2826m |
| 03:34.45 | stew | slidesinger: those are pids of programs using your soundcard. what does "ps 2826" return? |
| 03:35.03 | stew | slidesinger: 2760 is probably alsamixer (since it is only connected to the control interface) |
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| 03:35.44 | slidesinger | stew: mplayer, which is playing a cd at the moment. |
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| 03:36.15 | smacnay | stew: thanks |
| 03:36.38 | stew | slidesinger: if you stop mplayer, do you get sound from the cd? |
| 03:36.39 | smacnay | I am using udev and a usb scanner. |
| 03:36.50 | stew | slidesinger: oh, wait |
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| 03:36.59 | stew | slidesinger: mplayer is the thing that you are hoping will give you sound |
| 03:36.59 | slidesinger | stew: no |
| 03:37.42 | slidesinger | stew: yes, mplayer is trying to play a cd that I want to listen to. |
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| 03:38.12 | stream | i just did a debian dist-upgrade now nothing is working... i cannot login on port 143 for imap |
| 03:38.14 | stream | any reasons why? |
| 03:38.57 | stew | stream: what happens then you try to telnet to port 143, do you get a connection or not? |
| 03:39.02 | stream | yes |
| 03:39.09 | stream | * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS LOGINDISABLED] localhost IMAP4rev1 2003.339 at Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:40:14 -0400 (EDT) |
| 03:39.13 | stream | i tried typing login test test |
| 03:39.14 | stream | wont work |
| 03:39.32 | stew | slidesinger: does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" give you sound? |
| 03:39.41 | stew | stream: which imap server? |
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| 03:40.10 | stream | wu imap |
| 03:40.13 | stream | default i think |
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| 03:40.33 | stream | i only need it for 1 more week :( |
| 03:40.35 | stream | then the new machine is in |
| 03:40.38 | stew | stream: are your imap users system users? or are they stored somewhere else? |
| 03:41.02 | stream | system users |
| 03:41.03 | stream | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:41.49 | slidesinger | stew: no, but it does establish a pid and connect to the sound card. |
| 03:41.51 | stew | stream: have you checked /var/log/mail.log and /var/log/auth.log? |
| 03:42.21 | stew | slidesinger: but you are hearing system beeps via the soundcard? |
| 03:42.28 | stream | it says nothing |
| 03:42.34 | slidesinger | yes |
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| 03:42.45 | stream | hmm |
| 03:42.45 | stream | Aug 8 23:38:38 WJHSD imapd[14807]: Login disabled user=stream auth=stream host=[64.181.97.90] |
| 03:43.08 | stream | what is that for |
| 03:43.22 | slidesinger | stew: the down arrow on the command console produces system beeps through the speaker. |
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| 03:43.56 | stew | slidesinger: can you show us the output of "amixer"? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 03:45.33 | stream | what could it be fore? |
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| 03:45.34 | stream | wrong |
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| 03:48.24 | stew | stream: that is when testing with telnet? or is that with a mua? |
| 03:48.35 | stream | testing w/ telnet |
| 03:48.47 | stream | how do i have apt-get totally reinstall uw-imapd? |
| 03:49.50 | stew | stream: what do you mean by "totally reinstall"/ |
| 03:49.51 | stream | i dont know why it doesnt like the login cmd |
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| 03:52.27 | stream | :( |
| 03:52.43 | stream | i installed courier imap |
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| 03:52.49 | stream | same prob |
| 03:52.52 | stew | stream: is it configured to allow plaintexst logins? or does it require login? |
| 03:53.10 | stew | stream: what does "getent passwd stream" return? |
| 03:53.17 | stew | stream: a valid shell? |
| 03:53.25 | stream | Aug 8 23:54:23 WJHSD authdaemond: (pam_unix) authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty= ruser= rhost= user=stream |
| 03:53.26 | jdhore | Is there anything i can do to "cheat" so my CPU doesn't try to scale it's frequency to save power ( i have a laptop)? |
| 03:53.26 | stream | oh |
| 03:53.42 | stream | yes |
| 03:53.54 | stream | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.08 | jdhore | stream, was that a reply to me? |
| 03:54.34 | stream | how do i get courier imapd to work |
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| 03:55.25 | stream | i dont get it |
| 03:55.25 | stream | :( |
| 03:55.39 | stream | syslog.0 says: |
| 03:55.39 | stream | Aug 8 23:56:29 WJHSD imapd: Connection, ip=[::ffff:64.181.97.90] |
| 03:55.39 | stream | Aug 8 23:56:29 WJHSD imapd: chdir Maildir: No such file or directory |
| 03:55.44 | stream | i dont use maildirs |
| 03:55.51 | stew | stream: courier only supports maildirs |
| 03:55.58 | stream | damnit |
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| 03:56.06 | stream | what else suports /var/mail/user |
| 03:56.17 | stew | jdhore: maybe remove the kernel module that is allowing frequency scaling. something named cpufreq* or speedstep* ? |
| 03:56.22 | stew | stream: dovecot |
| 03:56.25 | simonrvn | nothing sane other than local apps |
| 03:56.44 | stew | i thought dovecot would, not sure though |
| 03:57.01 | simonrvn | dunno about dovecot |
| 03:57.03 | stream | :( |
| 03:57.10 | stream | i odnt know why uw-imapd stopped working |
| 03:57.19 | stew | yeah, dovecot does |
| 03:57.42 | stream | easy to setup |
| 03:57.43 | stream | ? |
| 03:57.55 | slidesinger | stew: http://paste.lisp.org/display/45863 |
| 03:58.24 | simonrvn | Description: secure IMAP server that supports mbox and maildir mailboxes |
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| 03:58.48 | stream | dovecot says: |
| 03:58.48 | stream | login BAD Error in IMAP command received by server. |
| 03:58.59 | slidesinger | stew: amixer output seems to indicate master volume is at 0. alsamixer indicates just under red. |
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| 03:59.39 | simonrvn | stream: chechk auth.log, syslog, messages, and dovecot's log if any. gotta be a clue as to why somewhere |
| 03:59.39 | stream | Aug 9 00:00:41 WJHSD dovecot: imap-login: Aborted login: rip=64.181.97.90, lip=147.72.70.100 |
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| 03:59.56 | stew | slidesinger: no its at Front Left: Playback 24 [77%] [on] |
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| 04:00.11 | stew | oh jeez those VIA DXS controls are a mystery |
| 04:00.17 | stew | i remember seeing those before |
| 04:00.36 | simonrvn | why doesn't the d (diff) option to dpkg work anymore? *sigh* |
| 04:00.49 | stew | stream: go back to what was working, like uw-imapd. and add a new user to the system, and try that new user |
| 04:01.08 | stream | i cant get it working |
| 04:01.10 | stew | stream: or add a new user now and try it with dovecot |
| 04:01.15 | stream | after i did the distupgrade |
| 04:01.26 | stew | stream: try doing it from localhost |
| 04:01.47 | stream | i did |
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| 04:01.58 | stream | login BAD Error in IMAP command received by server. |
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| 04:02.26 | stew | stream: oh, you have plaintext login disabled, so you have to try with an mua using 'login' |
| 04:02.29 | stew | * BAD [ALERT] Plaintext authentication is disabled, but your client sent password in plaintext anyway. If anyone was listening, the password was exposed. |
| 04:02.54 | simonrvn | there ya go |
| 04:03.11 | stream | how do i enable plaintext login? |
| 04:03.16 | stew | stream: in which? |
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| 04:04.11 | stream | who knows |
| 04:04.15 | n3kl | I am trying to setup a lan ntp server. On the server, I have setup the servers as listed in http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone/us. Now when I ntpdate 0.us.pool.ntp.org with the ntpd stopped, it comes bacj with the adjusted time. Cool. Now when I start the ntpd server and to ntpdate, I get no servers can be used, exiting. What am I doing wrong? |
| 04:04.24 | stew | stream: realize that running plaintext is a bad idea. especially since you are using system users and are actually running telnetd |
| 04:04.37 | stream | is there a config file for uw-imapd? |
| 04:04.39 | Cripps | has anyone built and run kernel 2.6.23-rc2 yet? |
| 04:04.47 | stream | stew: this is only for 1 more week |
| 04:04.50 | stream | then a new box is coming |
| 04:04.53 | n3kl | here is my config http://pastebin.ca/650768 |
| 04:05.00 | stew | stream: what version of dovecot is installed now? |
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| 04:05.17 | stream | uw-imapd is installed |
| 04:05.31 | stream | but i cant find a config file for it |
| 04:05.48 | stew | stream: what version of uw-imapd is installed? |
| 04:06.06 | slidesinger | stew: I have an old turtle beach card lying around. Should I consider switching? |
| 04:06.23 | stream | 2002edebian1-13.1 |
| 04:06.58 | stew | stream: you are mixing two different releases of debian, sarge aka oldstable aka 3.1 and etch aka 4.0 aka stable, and this is not supported |
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| 04:07.30 | stew | stream: probably the fact that you are mixing the two is the source of some of your problems. you should consider finishing the upgrade to etch: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 04:08.05 | Cripps | etch is great ... I would definitely reccomend upgrading :) |
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| 04:09.09 | stream | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:09.13 | stream | im trying to keep it minimal right now |
| 04:09.21 | stew | slidesinger: i dunno. i'd guess you could get your current card working. i'd start twiddling those DXS settings randomly for a while |
| 04:09.32 | stream | + im not at console |
| 04:09.35 | stream | id be afraid to reboot |
| 04:09.40 | Cripps | stream: a minimal install of etch is comparable to a minimal install of sarge. |
| 04:09.56 | simonrvn | stream: don't need to reboot to finish the dist-upgrade |
| 04:10.18 | Cripps | 'strue ... it would run the "new dist" on the "old kernel." |
| 04:10.22 | Dewi | simonrvn: what if you're using 2.4? |
| 04:10.25 | stew | stream: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 04:10.35 | stream | 2.6.7 |
| 04:10.44 | stream | i just want to fix imapd for now |
| 04:10.48 | simonrvn | better than nothing... |
| 04:10.59 | Cripps | Dewi, I'm pretty sure that there's an option somewhere for using 2.4.x with etch. |
| 04:11.02 | stew | a custom older than oldstable kernel! |
| 04:11.16 | stew | Cripps: no, its not supported, and several things are known to not work |
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| 04:11.28 | stew | Cripps: notably postfix and mysql wont work with etch and 2.4 |
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| 04:11.48 | Cripps | ah. I see. Well, remind me not to install 2.4 then ;) |
| 04:11.52 | stream | how do i get plaintext back enabled on imapd? |
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| 04:11.55 | stream | i think thats the problem |
| 04:12.12 | Cripps | heh ... says he who's compiling 2.6.23-rc2 using make-kpkg ;) |
| 04:12.27 | n3kl | Anyone have any ideas? |
| 04:12.35 | mesof | is it possible to ctrl+K more than one line in nano |
| 04:13.02 | kuriousKitty | I'm thinking of vi probably, but can you prepend with an integer for # of lines to delete? |
| 04:13.09 | n3kl | mesof: use vi |
| 04:13.20 | mesof | what is vi? |
| 04:13.24 | mesof | like nano? |
| 04:13.27 | simonrvn | d10<return> |
| 04:13.27 | n3kl | mesof: dood |
| 04:13.31 | n3kl | mesof: google |
| 04:13.33 | stream | what pkg provides c-client.cf |
| 04:13.37 | mesof | virtual interface? |
| 04:13.42 | stew | stream: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 04:13.42 | Cripps | vi == awesome |
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| 04:14.02 | n3kl | mesof http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vi |
| 04:14.03 | stew | stream: or if that is a file that is installed, try "dpkg -S c-client.cf" |
| 04:14.09 | n3kl | mesof: apt-get install vim |
| 04:14.56 | stream | wtf |
| 04:15.02 | stream | never in my life has this been so difficult |
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| 04:15.15 | stew | stream: "OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS LOGINDISABLED" |
| 04:15.23 | stew | stream: i'd guess that means you have to starttls |
| 04:15.30 | stream | i dont want to right now |
| 04:15.32 | stream | my webmail doesnt use it |
| 04:15.33 | stream | its horde |
| 04:15.35 | stream | imp |
| 04:15.36 | stew | stream: like you can't login until you starttls |
| 04:15.44 | simonrvn | stew: exactly |
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| 04:15.49 | stew | stream: then you have to figure out how to turn off the "LOGINDISABLED" |
| 04:16.10 | mesof | n3kl: regardless of my poor taste in editors, for now, is it possible? |
| 04:16.12 | simonrvn | successful STARTTLS starts auth{c,z} |
| 04:16.28 | simonrvn | i.e., LOGIN, DIGEST-MD5, etc. |
| 04:16.41 | n3kl | mesof: dunno, I use vi |
| 04:16.48 | stew | stream: what do you use telnetd for? |
| 04:17.20 | n3kl | mesof: dood, learn vi. You will like it if you spend time doing anything in the command line |
| 04:17.33 | stream | ok i fixed that |
| 04:17.36 | n3kl | stew: passing passwords in cleartext -] |
| 04:17.37 | stream | stew, my sshd is broken too |
| 04:17.46 | stream | another story for another day |
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| 04:17.55 | stew | stream: what is wrong with sshd? |
| 04:18.00 | stream | this upgrade fucked it all up |
| 04:18.02 | n3kl | stew: dpkg-reconfigure sshd |
| 04:18.08 | stopher2 | oh my gosh, all of those networking problems i had, i threw the HD into another server, and it works perfectly...the rackmount works better than the shuttle...just xserver graphical interface won't load properly |
| 04:18.08 | n3kl | though, that may not do squat |
| 04:18.27 | stopher2 | a...mazing |
| 04:18.37 | stream | Aug 9 00:19:39 WJHSD sshd[17962]: PAM unable to dlopen(/lib/security/pam_unix.so) |
| 04:18.37 | stream | Aug 9 00:19:39 WJHSD sshd[17962]: PAM [dlerror: /lib/libselinux.so.1: symbol regexec, version GLIBC_2.3.4 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference] |
| 04:18.37 | stream | Aug 9 00:19:39 WJHSD sshd[17962]: PAM adding faulty module: /lib/security/pam_unix.so |
| 04:18.40 | n3kl | stopher2: sounds like a driver configuration or xorg config problem |
| 04:18.49 | stew | stream: aha, there you go |
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| 04:19.01 | simonrvn | stream: libc6.... finish the upgrade |
| 04:19.03 | stew | stream: this is the cause of all of your login problems |
| 04:19.08 | stew | stream: you need to finish upgrading to etch |
| 04:19.27 | stream | how |
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| 04:19.34 | stew | stream: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 04:20.58 | simonrvn | stream: it's only fucked up because you haven't finished upgrading |
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| 04:21.07 | stream | how do i finish |
| 04:21.12 | stew | stream: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 04:21.20 | stream | ive done that |
| 04:21.28 | stew | stream: start at chapter 4 |
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| 04:22.12 | n3kl | Doods, anyone know what the hell is wrong with my ntpd.conf file? http://pastebin.ca/650768 |
| 04:22.55 | n3kl | I jsut want a frickin time server |
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| 04:24.28 | stream | great |
| 04:24.32 | stream | fucking debain |
| 04:24.33 | stream | i rebooted |
| 04:24.36 | stream | now its not coming back up |
| 04:24.37 | stream | i cant ping it |
| 04:24.47 | stream | now its down for good |
| 04:24.59 | xerophyte | does anybody know which package is responsible for the auto spell check .. on all the editor ? i used to have it .. after i formated it .. it went away ? |
| 04:25.09 | n3kl | stream: fucking debian nothing, fucking user man |
| 04:25.24 | n3kl | xerophyte: aspell or myspell |
| 04:25.37 | n3kl | I believe I use myspell for openoffice |
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| 04:26.18 | stream | as easy as apt-get distupgrade |
| 04:26.19 | stream | yeah right |
| 04:26.22 | stream | now the whole thing is down |
| 04:26.26 | stream | i have 1200 users who cant check email |
| 04:26.48 | n3kl | stream: perhaps, if you are new to debian, you could start with the release that you would prefer to run |
| 04:26.56 | liable | whats the need for a dist-upgrade on an etch box? |
| 04:27.15 | n3kl | liable: to upgrade to testing or sid |
| 04:27.30 | n3kl | after you change your sources, of course |
| 04:27.32 | sciboy | ? Etch is stable? |
| 04:27.38 | n3kl | sciboy: true |
| 04:27.40 | liable | then you deserve to have email users that cant login |
| 04:27.57 | n3kl | liable: my email users are working fine |
| 04:28.09 | sciboy | I've stopped trying to keep track of release names. =P |
| 04:28.45 | n3kl | sciboy: understood, though, you would only have to update your understading every 2 years. Debian does not upgrade very quickly |
| 04:29.30 | sciboy | n3kl, Actually it's moving a lot quicker than it use to. |
| 04:30.19 | xerophyte | n3kl, I am not able to find the myspell package but i have myspell dictionary for english are installed and i have aspell also installed |
| 04:31.29 | n3kl | sciboy: perhaps. Sarge took about 2 years, etch took about 2 years, I started with debian when woody became stable, so I don't know too many years of debian. Not nearly as much as some |
| 04:31.33 | n3kl | xerophyte: apt-cache search myspell | grep ^myspell-en |
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| 04:32.20 | semprix | guys how do i delete long directory name? |
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| 04:33.19 | stopher2 | okay how can i configure the graphical system in terminal mode so it will properly boot on the mini-server? |
| 04:33.19 | xerophyte | n3kl i got au, gb, us .. but when i do dpkg -l | grep ^myspell i get myspell-en-us .. |
| 04:33.24 | n3kl | stopher2: expand on the concept of 'graphical system' |
| 04:33.48 | n3kl | xerophyte: cool, so install it |
| 04:33.57 | xerophyte | n3kl, but its not working ? |
| 04:34.04 | stopher2 | n3kl, gnome graphical interface :D |
| 04:34.15 | n3kl | xerophyte: apt-get install myspell-en-us |
| 04:34.18 | xerophyte | n3kl, i mean the spell check suggested me everwhere like gedit , firefox and gaim |
| 04:34.30 | xerophyte | n3kl, its already installed |
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| 04:35.10 | n3kl | stopher2: you might start with apt-get install xserver-xorg. Then perhaps you might want to search for gnome packages you would like to install |
| 04:35.25 | n3kl | xerophyte: Ok. So what the hell are you trying to do? |
| 04:36.11 | n3kl | stopher2: after that, you might google. |
| 04:36.13 | xerophyte | n3kl, trying to get the spell check work on editors .. like gaim |
| 04:36.32 | n3kl | xerophyte: ah, I have no idea. I use irc. The end |
| 04:36.36 | xerophyte | n3kl, and firefox edit box and stuff |
| 04:36.45 | n3kl | xerophyte: it might be aspell that its looking for |
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| 04:36.54 | xerophyte | n3kl, i have that installed too |
| 04:36.54 | n3kl | xerophyte: you googled much? |
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| 04:37.15 | stopher2 | n3kl, i had gnome installed on the old server, then i swapped the HD from the big server to the little server, xserver no longer works... do i need to reinstall? |
| 04:37.26 | n3kl | xerophyte: those are the two dictionary checking apps that I know of. If they are installed, you might start checking into the application itself |
| 04:37.38 | n3kl | stopher2: same hard drive? |
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| 04:37.55 | stopher2 | n3kl, yep! |
| 04:37.59 | n3kl | stopher2: Most likely not. You prob just need to reconfigure your xserver configuration |
| 04:38.25 | n3kl | stopher2: start with your video card driver and monitor resolution. |
| 04:38.30 | semprix | guys how do you delete this kind of thing? rm: /raid/homes/semprix/.java/cache/javaws/http/D172.17.240.7/P8180/V4.0.4///////////: is a directory |
| 04:38.55 | stopher2 | n3kl, thanks :) |
| 04:38.56 | n3kl | semprix: rm -Rf '/raid/homes/semprix/.java/cache/javaws/http/D172.17.240.7/P8180/V4.0.4///////////' |
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| 04:39.07 | xerophyte | n3kl, hmmm |
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| 04:39.36 | JackEStorm | ugh, whats the build tool to rebuild a netinstall cd? |
| 04:39.38 | semprix | n3kl, rm: /raid/homes/semprix/.java/cache/javaws/http/D172.17.240.7/P8180/V4.0.4///////////: is a directory |
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| 04:40.13 | n3kl | semprix: put it in ''. rm will not remove directories. man rm or rmdir $x |
| 04:40.42 | semprix | n3kl, its rm -Rf |
| 04:40.50 | n3kl | semprix: dangerous |
| 04:40.58 | n3kl | semprix: man rm |
| 04:41.25 | semprix | n3kl, i access that folder and its very long recursive folder |
| 04:41.36 | semprix | endless |
| 04:41.38 | n3kl | semprix: so ad a -R |
| 04:41.43 | maxamillion | rm is dangerous by nature ... its man page can save you alot of pain |
| 04:41.46 | semprix | yeah i already did |
| 04:41.46 | n3kl | semprix: sounds like a symlink |
| 04:41.56 | n3kl | maxamillion: true |
| 04:42.05 | maxamillion | :) |
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| 04:42.10 | n3kl | semprix: ls -l in one of the directories |
| 04:44.22 | semprix | n3kl, its bunch of question marks |
| 04:44.31 | semprix | ls -l /raid/homes/semprix/.java/cache/javaws/http/D172.17.240.7/P8180/V4.0.4/?/?/? |
| 04:44.35 | semprix | endless |
| 04:44.39 | semprix | drwx------ |
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| 04:44.46 | semprix | thats the permission |
| 04:46.20 | n3kl | semprix: why can you not rm -Rf |
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| 04:46.57 | semprix | thats what im also wondering. with endless question mark folders |
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| 04:47.34 | semprix | recursiively |
| 04:48.03 | n3kl | semprix: what filesystem? |
| 04:48.56 | semprix | n3kl, http://pastebin.com/m61713a8b |
| 04:49.06 | semprix | fs? what do you mean fs? |
| 04:49.09 | semprix | ext3 |
| 04:49.22 | n3kl | semprix: exactly |
| 04:49.36 | semprix | why/ |
| 04:49.37 | semprix | ? |
| 04:50.02 | semprix | ?? what do you mean exactly |
| 04:50.06 | n3kl | semprix: different filesystems behave differently in some respects |
| 04:50.12 | n3kl | semprix: a file system |
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| 04:50.16 | n3kl | semprix: go google |
| 04:51.01 | n3kl | semprix: are you the owner of that directory? You play with the chattr command? |
| 04:51.14 | n3kl | semprix: mounted in readonly |
| 04:51.16 | n3kl | ? |
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| 04:55.26 | semprix | n3kl, |
| 04:55.32 | semprix | i deleted it as root |
| 04:55.40 | n3kl | ah |
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| 04:56.34 | semprix | i dont think chattr can help |
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| 05:01.19 | pabs3 | what issues should I look for if findsmb produces nothing? iptables seems ok |
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| 05:19.52 | susanaq | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.53 | susanaq | -- I need help! My system load is always relatively high, at 2.00 or above |
| 05:19.53 | susanaq | -- What can I use to detect possible reasons for this. I tried top. |
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| 05:20.47 | Guerin | susanaq: is it causing performance problems? |
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| 05:20.50 | edistar | susanaq: what does top tell you? |
| 05:20.51 | compusr | susanaq: what processes showed ? |
| 05:21.04 | susanaq | -- top showed nothing unusual |
| 05:21.07 | juancgt | any reason why I cant run bitlbee as normal user on debian etch? |
| 05:21.20 | Guerin | juancgt: bitlbee runs out of inetd |
| 05:21.34 | susanaq | -- i'm not sure to what column I should pay attetention |
| 05:21.42 | Guerin | susanaq: is it causing performance problems? |
| 05:21.46 | Guerin | susanaq: or not? |
| 05:21.55 | susanaq | -- no. no performance problems |
| 05:22.09 | Guerin | susanaq: then ignore it. Load average is functionally meaningless as a metric of hos busy your system is. |
| 05:22.15 | compusr | it |
| 05:22.15 | susanaq | -- just the fan is more active thatn it should |
| 05:22.18 | compusr | oops |
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| 05:23.12 | juancgt | Guerin: oh, i tried sudo bitlbee and it worked heh but wouldnt for normal user |
| 05:23.17 | susanaq | -- it bothers me because I installed (network installation) ) debian on two identical machines, on one of them the load is 0.00 most of the time, and on the other it is 2.00 |
| 05:23.35 | susanaq | == I have been ignoring it for a couple of months |
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| 05:23.47 | Guerin | susanaq: find out what's causing the load and get back to us. |
| 05:24.21 | liable | hrm, that wannahack ctcp ping did funny things to irssi |
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| 05:24.41 | susanaq | -- well. I was about to reinstall everything |
| 05:24.54 | Guerin | overkill |
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| 05:26.56 | susanaq | -- I'll try to see if I can live with this load. I am the type who looks all the time at these things |
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| 05:27.17 | DavidProck1981 | i got a game i like to play and to run it i type ./client but the path to the file is kind of long, How can i make it so i can do ./client from my home directory? |
| 05:27.27 | susanaq | -- thanks Guerin! |
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| 05:31.21 | compusr | i'm fairly surprised to see how the traffic in this channel has subsided since a couple years ago |
| 05:32.35 | liable | america is asleep, but your right, its a bit quieter than it used to be |
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| 05:33.17 | compusr | I'm wondering if this is the main irc server for this channel. There used to be much more dialogue |
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| 05:33.53 | liable | it is, though there is also a #debian on oftc that a few people have moved over to |
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| 05:35.01 | compusr | I remember login into #debian for my first time in 1999. I was asking about how to install potato with 1.44" floppies! |
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| 05:35.41 | mesof | i'm getting some really bad text tear in iceweasel |
| 05:36.03 | compusr | text tear? That's the first I've hear of that term |
| 05:36.31 | manphiz | although www.debian.org says the irc channel is on irc.debian.org(aka oftc), there seems no real difference, since maybe people attend on both :) |
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| 05:36.48 | mesof | compusr: well i mean they like don't render correctly, if i scroll they come apart |
| 05:36.57 | mesof | don't render properly*** |
| 05:37.32 | compusr | it only happens in iceweasel? |
| 05:37.39 | mesof | yeah |
| 05:37.44 | mesof | that i know of so far |
| 05:37.58 | mesof | only been using xterm and iceweasel really with this new nvidia kernel |
| 05:38.05 | compusr | did you try other browsers (e.g. mozilla) |
| 05:38.29 | mesof | iceape? |
| 05:38.33 | mesof | does that qualify |
| 05:38.38 | mesof | it's happened with galeon before |
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| 05:39.03 | compusr | mesof: sounds like its a general fonts problem, and not necessarily specific to iceweasel |
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| 05:39.41 | mesof | i'll look around for some stuff, thanks |
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| 05:41.35 | DragonD | netstat cuts off the addresses. how can i make it write it all out? |
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| 05:43.16 | mesof | compusr: i do have errors pertaining to fonts on startx for xorg, but i've since edited xorg, still yet to try it out, hopefully it fixes it |
| 05:43.31 | cTATUK | Does Etch support mounting ReiserFS-formatted disks out of box? |
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| 05:46.29 | Guerin | time for an aptitude update after a month or so without |
| 05:46.31 | Guerin | !bless me |
| 05:46.31 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child guerin, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 05:46.49 | liable | cTATUK: 3 yes |
| 05:46.58 | cTATUK | thanks |
| 05:47.05 | DragonD | dpkg: How can i make netstat print wide? |
| 05:47.39 | Guerin | COLUMNS=999 netstat |
| 05:47.46 | Guerin | or another value of your choosing |
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| 05:51.58 | mesof | rss's are weird, you feel like directly connect to peoples' feelings as they happen |
| 05:52.46 | liable | huh? |
| 05:53.18 | mesof | like for example healthboards.com you see all these posts of just problems |
| 05:53.25 | mesof | problem, after problem, after problem |
| 05:53.41 | mesof | it's like the world's problems are happening right infront of your eyes |
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| 05:54.12 | mesof | rss subscribe to it, you'll see what i mean |
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| 05:57.30 | mesof | http://www.healthboards.com/boards/external.php?type=RSS2 |
| 05:57.35 | mesof | is the rss feed info |
| 05:59.05 | hark | mesof: we don't care |
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| 06:02.56 | mesof | sorry |
| 06:03.48 | mesof | what is the string to open a link in a browser/ |
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| 06:06.16 | hark | ? sensible-browser http://blah |
| 06:06.52 | twb | Is there an http fuse module? |
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| 06:08.00 | jetscreamer | !tell erphan -about root |
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| 06:08.24 | jetscreamer | heh... my wife asked who 'tweeb' |
| 06:08.25 | jetscreamer | is |
| 06:08.27 | simonrvn | aguaithefreak: dude, fix your connection |
| 06:08.42 | jetscreamer | as in twb |
| 06:08.51 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 06:09.01 | jetscreamer | you said that before |
| 06:09.04 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 06:09.10 | simonrvn | lawn&nament |
| 06:09.10 | jetscreamer | word for word |
| 06:09.18 | jetscreamer | aha! |
| 06:09.43 | jetscreamer | i'm up to season 9 |
| 06:09.52 | simonrvn | dvd or something? |
| 06:09.57 | simonrvn | see you |
| 06:10.00 | twb | Rancid American rotbrain |
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| 06:10.06 | jetscreamer | i hear it used to be a dvd.... :o |
| 06:10.06 | stoned | man |
| 06:10.08 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 06:10.09 | stoned | you guys are still up |
| 06:10.11 | stoned | damn |
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| 06:10.21 | erphan | s |
| 06:10.22 | stoned | the new fantastic 4 movie sucked |
| 06:10.33 | simonrvn | stoned: and so are you ;) |
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| 06:10.34 | erphan | this channel confused me |
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| 06:10.44 | erphan | i have Sound problem in Etch |
| 06:10.48 | erphan | help me |
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| 06:11.24 | stoned | well yeah |
| 06:11.26 | simonrvn | !tell erphan -about ask |
| 06:11.30 | jetscreamer | are you in the audio group, or rather is this the second or greater user created? |
| 06:11.33 | twb | stoned: a friend of mine said urdu is just hindi in the wrong writing system :-) |
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| 06:11.55 | stoned | nope |
| 06:12.12 | stoned | your friend doesn't know what he is talking about |
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| 06:12.20 | twb | stoned: he was joking |
| 06:12.30 | stoned | that was a terrible joke |
| 06:12.46 | twb | Like saying Portugese is just Spanish with a speech impediment |
| 06:12.52 | erphan | ok,ok , i have a sound problem in Etch,My sound in music and etc is very low , there isnt this problem in other Distros |
| 06:12.53 | stoned | that is horrible |
| 06:13.19 | twb | stoned: you sound kinda tense, dude, take another toke |
| 06:13.48 | stoned | I'm alright |
| 06:14.10 | mesof | lol, or don't smoke at all |
| 06:14.32 | twb | mesof: stop drop and roll |
| 06:14.36 | mesof | erphan: type alsamixer at the terminal prompt |
| 06:14.47 | erphan | and next? |
| 06:14.50 | mesof | hahaha, twb, you funny man |
| 06:14.57 | mesof | and next use the arrows to edit the volume |
| 06:15.06 | erphan | ok |
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| 06:15.09 | mesof | what's the command guys to save the volume setting |
| 06:15.12 | erphan | thanks mesof |
| 06:15.20 | mesof | erphan: you can even setup keybindings to adjust volume |
| 06:15.21 | mesof | google it |
| 06:15.23 | twb | mesof: that is of course your opinion |
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| 06:15.37 | jetscreamer | mesof: you seem to need alsa-base for the volume to be saved |
| 06:15.40 | jetscreamer | at least here |
| 06:15.59 | mesof | well im sorry, nobody else responded |
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| 06:16.12 | hark | it's alsa-utils instead :) |
| 06:16.25 | mesof | where did he go? |
| 06:16.29 | mesof | he comes and goes? |
| 06:16.45 | mesof | he's runnin' scripts prolly |
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| 06:17.17 | liable | huh? |
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| 06:17.26 | mesof | he answers then leaves |
| 06:17.31 | mesof | jetscreamer |
| 06:17.41 | mesof | liable: wassup dude! |
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| 06:17.57 | liable | oh, he always seems to say something then leaves |
| 06:17.58 | mesof | liable: do you do the rss thing? |
| 06:18.02 | twb | Man, why do people keep writing PHP? |
| 06:18.14 | mesof | liable: yeah he's using a script so you can't respond to him, and you're left clueless |
| 06:18.31 | mesof | twb: dude php is sweet, it's highly graphical |
| 06:18.35 | liable | interesting theory |
| 06:18.41 | twb | PHP is crap |
| 06:18.41 | mesof | twb: what's your view on it? |
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| 06:19.09 | mesof | i wish i was slick with the code, some people can program a storm |
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| 06:19.37 | twb | Smalltalk, now *that* is "highly graphical" |
| 06:19.42 | twb | http://seaside.st |
| 06:20.32 | enouf | mesof: alsactl store should do it, iirc |
| 06:20.57 | mesof | twb: is that making you money, looks nice |
| 06:21.06 | mesof | enouf! |
| 06:21.08 | twb | No, only bastards make money |
| 06:21.20 | mesof | twb: how do you afford to live then? |
| 06:21.26 | twb | I'm a sysadmin |
| 06:21.35 | mesof | sweet job |
| 06:21.45 | twb | I'm overqualified to program, because I know what good design looks like |
| 06:21.52 | mesof | there we go |
| 06:22.06 | hark | enouf: the alsa-utils initscript does it automatically for you |
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| 06:22.27 | mesof | or you have an idea of how painstaking it is to provide people with a satisfying product at the expense of working extremely hard |
| 06:22.33 | twb | I'm still dumb enough about sysadm that I can do it without feeling like I'm making the world worse |
| 06:22.39 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 06:22.39 | enouf | ok then |
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| 06:23.21 | mesof | having a good day i suppose (drinking) |
| 06:23.59 | mesof | erphan, alsactl |
| 06:24.20 | mesof | which i shouldn't because, well, nevermind |
| 06:24.32 | liable | who are you talking to? |
| 06:25.00 | twb | liable: jimmy carter |
| 06:25.09 | streuner_ | prolly looks into the mirror ;-) |
| 06:25.12 | hark | i was expecting another huh ;) |
| 06:25.17 | twb | I never said he answered |
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| 06:25.57 | streuner_ | liable: its more fun to talk to yourself, nobody can say no then :-P |
| 06:26.10 | twb | You get better conversation, too |
| 06:26.27 | twb | Most people I could hit with a brick aren't worth giving the time of day |
| 06:26.38 | mesof | i only have one hate for linux |
| 06:26.42 | liable | i am actually intrigued as to what was happening in his brain |
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| 06:26.48 | mesof | well moreless my computer |
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| 06:27.16 | mesof | shutdown problems because of USB!!! |
| 06:27.36 | mesof | called the company, incompatible(sp) |
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| 06:28.13 | mesof | b.s., i've never had a system that shut off if you plug in a camera at boot |
| 06:28.36 | streuner_ | mesof: STOP! |
| 06:28.37 | liable | mesof: are you drunk? |
| 06:28.50 | mesof | no i'm just speaking my views |
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| 06:29.08 | liable | are you irc'ing naked? |
| 06:29.19 | mesof | hahah., that's funny |
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| 06:29.25 | mesof | and no |
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| 06:29.56 | andyp_ | hi |
| 06:30.16 | erphan | i want index files of stable , testing , and unstable package mirrors |
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| 06:30.36 | mesof | erphan: i'm supposed to tell you alsactl |
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| 06:30.48 | streuner_ | erphan: "index files"? |
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| 06:31.05 | erphan | for synaptic and apt |
| 06:31.17 | streuner_ | erphan: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 06:31.34 | mesof | erphan: you mean you want sources? |
| 06:31.43 | erphan | yes(ohhh) |
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| 06:33.26 | erphan | streuner_, ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 06:34.44 | streuner_ | erphan: you need only 2 lines in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:34.51 | erphan | ? |
| 06:35.11 | streuner_ | erphan: one official for stable/etch and the other for security |
| 06:35.21 | mesof | what font *type* does icewm's preferences file use? |
| 06:35.59 | mesof | i just don't understand fonts, and why they're used differently |
| 06:36.04 | streuner_ | erphan: read "man sources.list" too |
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| 06:36.39 | streuner_ | flux has a FAQ about, i think ice should have the same |
| 06:37.03 | AZ_AS | mesof, a lot of it is psychological, I think |
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| 06:37.11 | AZ_AS | the reason fonts are used differently |
| 06:37.12 | mesof | i believe it's the difference in x fonts and ttf fonts |
| 06:37.15 | mesof | AZ_AS: no |
| 06:37.32 | mesof | i would however like to specify ttf fonts |
| 06:37.35 | AZ_AS | hmm, my bad...was thinking in general |
| 06:38.11 | liable | furry! |
| 06:38.13 | f00li5h | there seems to be something odd about the ksh that debian 4 gave me... does anyone know what it is? |
| 06:39.30 | mesof | really it's been a rollercoaster ride to say the least |
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| 06:39.50 | mesof | many, many, misshaps |
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| 06:40.04 | mesof | important information and files lost |
| 06:40.16 | wingot | How can I force a program to die? |
| 06:40.19 | liable | wow |
| 06:40.21 | wingot | kill 3282 isn't doing the trick |
| 06:40.23 | mesof | killall program |
| 06:40.23 | liable | wingot: man kill |
| 06:40.34 | wingot | mesof: killall isn't installed :) |
| 06:40.37 | streuner_ | skill -c <some app> |
| 06:40.38 | mesof | wingot: killall *appguesshere* |
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| 06:40.45 | irwiss | Hmm... Is there some package I have to install to control backlight on a laptop? A fairly recent HP pavillion one to be precise |
| 06:41.03 | mesof | then kill |
| 06:41.10 | mesof | or force quit it |
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| 06:41.35 | mesof | wingot: uhm, is X unix? or pure C code? |
| 06:42.09 | hark | now that's a qotd |
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| 06:42.28 | Dewi | huh? |
| 06:42.33 | wingot | mesof: Pardon? |
| 06:42.38 | wingot | The program is an Xnest |
| 06:42.46 | wingot | And I've already killed the "client" |
| 06:42.57 | mesof | Xnest that's perfect |
| 06:43.09 | wingot | Yet it refuses to listen to any kill command (and killall doesn't seem to exist. Only killall5) |
| 06:43.18 | wingot | And the skill -c didn't help either :) |
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| 06:44.23 | Dewi | wingot: pgrep and pkill also match the name of a process. Note of course that there are many signals they might send... I'm not sure what's the default but -9 is the most powerful |
| 06:44.39 | Dewi | wingot: did you try kill -9 ? |
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| 06:46.01 | wingot | Dewi: I thought I had, but it seemed to work when I tried it then |
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| 06:46.36 | andyp_ | tring to mount usb drive but mount cannot find entry in /etc/fstab saw somwthing about sda write through on boot |
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| 06:47.44 | wingot | andyp_: Jump up to root account, and mount /dev/sd* to /mnt/* |
| 06:47.51 | wingot | Replace *'s with relevant details ;) |
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| 06:48.35 | el_isma | yeah, everything is just about "* /* /*". Once you learn that you get that linux thingy ;) |
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| 06:50.31 | andyp_ | wingot: thanks not sure what you mean |
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| 06:54.42 | andyp_ | wingot: tried runing mount /dev/sd* but i must specify a filesysten type thenwhen i ran /dev/sd* /mnt/* i got the mount ueage notes |
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| 06:56.41 | mesof | nasdaq will be owned |
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| 06:57.05 | mesof | jk |
| 06:57.12 | wingot | andyp_: what exactly did you type? |
| 06:57.17 | mesof | i'm outta here guys, later |
| 06:57.22 | wingot | letter for letter |
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| 06:59.36 | DavidProck1981 | DavidProck1981: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -1GL |
| 06:59.36 | DavidProck1981 | DavidProck1981: what would go there , what program, /usr/bin/ld |
| 07:00.06 | cafuego | DavidProck1981: Your Makefile is broken. |
| 07:00.17 | DavidProck1981 | how can i fix it |
| 07:00.22 | cafuego | DavidProck1981: You have -1GL and should have -lGL. |
| 07:00.34 | cafuego | Lower case 'L' where it has a 1 (one) now. |
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| 07:00.57 | twb | l for lhurgoyf |
| 07:01.09 | cafuego | l for LiveLamp :-P |
| 07:01.16 | twb | :-( |
| 07:01.19 | andyp_ | wingot: as root mount /dev/sd* and then next when i was told i must specify a files system i typed mount /dev/sd* /mnt/sd* got the mount useage |
| 07:01.28 | mesof | proc is handy |
| 07:01.30 | cafuego | twb: it yet lives! |
| 07:01.41 | wingot | andyp_: mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb-drive <-- An example |
| 07:01.43 | twb | I haven't heard from it for ages |
| 07:01.43 | DavidProck1981 | oh it is a lowercare L, i just cant copy and paste from the terminal so i had to type it and that is what it looked like |
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| 07:01.52 | wingot | You need to replace the *'s with the specifics for your stuff :) |
| 07:02.06 | wingot | Do an ls /dev/sd* and see what shows up |
| 07:02.08 | cafuego | twb: Still getting downloads afaik. I should check the logs. |
| 07:02.14 | twb | Fair enough. |
| 07:02.29 | DavidProck1981 | cafuego, oh it is a lowercare L, i just cant copy and paste from the terminal so i had to type it and that is what it looked like |
| 07:02.32 | cafuego | There have been a total of 6512 file downloads sofar. |
| 07:02.55 | cafuego | DavidProck1981: Tssk. Then you're missing libGL and-or associated header files. |
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| 07:03.06 | DavidProck1981 | ok |
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| 07:03.13 | DavidProck1981 | thanks |
| 07:03.15 | Ramattack | Hello! |
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| 07:03.29 | twb | cafuego: and what is the trend? |
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| 07:03.41 | Ramattack | how could I do for changing the default locale on debian definitively? also for init proccess? |
| 07:03.55 | twb | Ramattack: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 07:04.03 | Ramattack | I have installed all locales |
| 07:04.06 | cafuego | twb: trend? |
| 07:04.06 | twb | Ramattack: or for a single user, edit .profile or .bash_profile |
| 07:04.08 | andyp_ | wingot: ls /dev/sd* gives /dev/sda /dev/sda1 |
| 07:04.23 | wingot | Ok |
| 07:04.31 | twb | cafuego: I mean, each month does the number of downloads go up/down/unchanged, and so on |
| 07:04.31 | wingot | Now, mkdir /mnt/usb |
| 07:04.40 | wingot | Then, mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb |
| 07:04.53 | twb | wingot: these days, /media is the norm, I think |
| 07:05.04 | cafuego | twb: They run through a script to external hosts, but... |
| 07:05.15 | cafuego | twb: 147 hots on download.php last july. |
| 07:05.18 | Ramattack | the problem is that some of my services dont work when they're started on boot with init... I have to stop them from ssh and start again and then are working ... is occurring because the UTF-8 etch damn locale lol |
| 07:05.19 | cafuego | hits as well |
| 07:05.20 | twb | Wow. |
| 07:05.32 | Ramattack | is reading my nick? |
| 07:05.34 | Ramattack | yep |
| 07:05.51 | twb | Ramattack: which servies? |
| 07:05.53 | cafuego | 168 in June |
| 07:06.07 | Ramattack | a script that starts tomcat and later apache |
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| 07:06.37 | twb | I'm not familiar with those. Are they UTF-8 compliant? Are they standard Debian scripts, or did you write them yourself? |
| 07:06.37 | Ramattack | twb, and I have to stop that script and later start and works |
| 07:06.37 | andyp_ | wingot: ok done that |
| 07:06.40 | cafuego | twb: Not looking to shabby |
| 07:07.06 | Ramattack | its a debian standard one with some lines added by me for running tomcat too |
| 07:07.22 | andyp_ | wingot: thanks |
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| 07:07.33 | twb | Ramattack: pastebin it and I'll see if there's anything obvious. |
| 07:07.34 | mashuuk | Is there gtk diff for Debian ? |
| 07:07.46 | twb | mashuuk: try meld |
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| 07:08.20 | wingot | andyp_: You can access the stuff on the usb drive now? Under /mnt/usb? |
| 07:08.24 | mashuuk | twb, thx |
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| 07:08.37 | wingot | twb: Sorry, I've been on archlinux for the past 4 months, where /mnt is the norm :) |
| 07:08.48 | wingot | Will try to remember to use media in future |
| 07:08.50 | mashuuk | twb, I was looking for that :) |
| 07:08.56 | mashuuk | twb, thx |
| 07:08.57 | andyp_ | wingot: yes I can thankyou made a note of what you said |
| 07:09.00 | twb | wingot: You may wish to direct arch linux to the upgraded FHS |
| 07:09.23 | Ramattack | twb, you're talking about the script? |
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| 07:09.26 | wingot | twb: Yeah, they don't take nicely to people telling them what to do :). |
| 07:09.29 | twb | wingot: honestly it makes little difference. |
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| 07:09.49 | wingot | They'll upgrade that soon enough. They did libata pretty quickly, and that broke a lot more than moving the /mnt would :) |
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| 07:10.51 | Ramattack | twb, I'm quite sure the script is OK... the problem is he's taking the locales of debian default ... instead of the ones specified in /etc/environment |
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| 07:11.09 | DavidProck1981 | man i cant get that shit fixed |
| 07:11.36 | twb | Ramattack: that is probably the correct behaviour. |
| 07:11.36 | DavidProck1981 | was working till i removed kde and gnome |
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| 07:12.09 | andyp_ | just one more question if i ssh into my box and if on install of etch I set a LUKS password on boot is there a provision in the ssh client for the LUKS password? |
| 07:12.17 | Ramattack | perhaps if I define lang, lc_all and all those staff on my script it will work?¿ |
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| 07:12.50 | twb | Ramattack: I think you should ask #bash |
| 07:13.04 | wingot | ssh-askpass ... Any idea what package that is in? |
| 07:13.07 | twb | andyp_: LUKS? |
| 07:13.12 | andyp_ | o sorry silly question as system will be already booted oops |
| 07:13.25 | twb | !dpkg info ssh-askpass |
| 07:13.30 | twb | !info ssh-askpass |
| 07:13.33 | wingot | Hmm, maybe the ssh-askpass package :) |
| 07:13.35 | dpkg | ssh-askpass: (under X, asks user for a passphrase for ssh-add), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.2.4.1-6.1 (sid), Packaged size: 31 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 07:13.38 | Ramattack | ok so only one more question |
| 07:13.46 | Ramattack | when you do dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 07:14.08 | Ramattack | and select the locales you want (if you don't have locales-all installed obviously...) it sais the next thing |
| 07:14.43 | Ramattack | http://pastebin.com/d3d1bba90 |
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| 07:14.55 | Ramattack | this didn't happen on Sarge... |
| 07:14.59 | andyp_ | twb: sorry its a encryption system on the etch installif you want to tak that option |
| 07:15.03 | Ramattack | what could I'm doing wrong? |
| 07:15.27 | twb | Ramattack: that's because the shell you're running dpkg-reconfigure in is using a LANG that isn't installed |
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| 07:16.22 | andyp_ | liable: counting the days on my wall to my trip ti NZ |
| 07:16.34 | twb | andyp_: ah, encrypted filesystems |
| 07:16.55 | andyp_ | twb: yes thats it |
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| 07:17.45 | Ramattack | twb, if you install the locales-all package |
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| 07:18.02 | Ramattack | and do a dpkg-reconfigure... I think doesn't work too... lets check |
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| 07:18.29 | twb | Ramattack: why are you using locales-all anyway? |
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| 07:19.08 | TraceGreen | Hello, I try to build my own livecd using debian's 2.6.22 kernel, but this livecd can not find sata harddisk. I am sure all modules have been loaded. |
| 07:19.30 | Ramattack | because if I don't use it it says me I'm using a lang not installed (the pastebin) |
| 07:19.35 | mesof | what is the mplayer command to display in text render? |
| 07:19.37 | Ramattack | or how should else do this? |
| 07:20.07 | TraceGreen | except load modules about sata harddisk, shall i do other things? I am using udev |
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| 07:22.05 | Ramattack | I think this is a think that Debian development should fix... I suppose people like me... could being having issues with this for example for apps storing on databases with one locale type |
| 07:22.19 | Ramattack | for example.... |
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| 07:23.43 | Ramattack | or else how could be this changed properly and let it... in sarge mode?? |
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| 07:24.52 | twb | TraceGreen: are you using live-helper? |
| 07:24.52 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 07:25.07 | TraceGreen | twb, I am using slax |
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| 07:25.17 | twb | Why? |
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| 07:25.50 | TraceGreen | twb, I just chang its kernel to 2.6.22, every thing works well except sata harddisk. |
| 07:26.06 | TraceGreen | twb, I use debian 2.6.22-1-686 kernel |
| 07:26.20 | twb | Why are you using a Debian kernel on a Slackware system? |
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| 07:26.43 | Siddharta | hello everybody |
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| 07:26.52 | TraceGreen | twb, actually, I just know debian kernel is stable.. |
| 07:27.28 | twb | TraceGreen: it sounds to me like you don't know what you're doing and simply parroting nonsense you've heard elsewhere. |
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| 07:28.42 | inc0 | I have strange problem:/ ubuntu v 7.04 sees my disc while debian 4.0 doesn't |
| 07:28.49 | inc0 | I have sata |
| 07:29.01 | Siddharta | since i installed etch on my laptop on dual boot with m$ xp , i still get +2 hours in my time set , i follow different link on google, in fct in my bios i can not choose between utc or gmt settings, i try with the command hwclock too but nothing has changed , on each boot up i still have + 2 hours |
| 07:29.08 | epsilon_ | TraceGreen, if unsure, use your distro's kernel or vanilla by kernel.org |
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| 07:29.11 | Siddharta | any clue ? |
| 07:29.31 | twb | inc0: what does the following command print? lspci | grep IDE |
| 07:29.51 | TraceGreen | twb, I have tried to download kernel from kernel.org. But still can not find sata harddisk |
| 07:29.53 | inc0 | on debian or ubuntu? |
| 07:29.57 | el_isma | what should I read to learn assembler on linux? (I don't know assembler, I do know how to program) |
| 07:30.10 | twb | TraceGreen: please take your slackware problems elsewhere, or use Debian Live. |
| 07:30.17 | twb | Siddharta: Windows assumes the hardware clock is set to local time |
| 07:30.20 | epsilon_ | Siddharta, use your local time in BIOS, if you use win+linux on same box |
| 07:30.49 | inc0 | well w8 a sec I'll have to reboot to get ubuntu |
| 07:30.52 | twb | Siddharta: append UTC=no to /etc/default/rcS |
| 07:30.57 | inc0 | brb |
| 07:31.05 | twb | inc0: on either |
| 07:31.19 | twb | el_isma: which assembly language? |
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| 07:32.03 | twb | el_isma: if you're learning assembly for pedagogical reasons, you would do best to learn an older language inside a simulator, e.g. m68k, MIPS or PDP-11 |
| 07:32.56 | el_isma | twb: I know that later I'll need to program 8080 or 8086 assembler. But since I don't have any experience with assembler, any would be good. |
| 07:33.14 | twb | x86 assembly is notoriously unplesant. |
| 07:33.23 | twb | *unpleasant. |
| 07:33.28 | Ramattack | what do you think mates... how could I change my script locale start... I have changed a variable that was C for es_ES@euro but has not work |
| 07:33.39 | el_isma | twb: which one do you recommend as a "starter" assembler? |
| 07:33.45 | twb | el_isma: why will you need to write assembly for that architecture? |
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| 07:34.27 | Siddharta | twb: thank you |
| 07:34.46 | el_isma | twb: It's one of the subjects I'll have. And I figured I'd better get started now |
| 07:34.56 | twb | el_isma: you mean at school? |
| 07:35.38 | el_isma | twb: University. Yes. |
| 07:35.56 | twb | Well, m68k is a contemporary of the original x86s |
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| 07:36.15 | twb | PPC/POWER is reputedly an elegant modern contemporary. |
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| 07:36.33 | simonrvn | registers are all the same size |
| 07:36.40 | simonrvn | length* |
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| 07:37.01 | twb | I suspect you're only being taught x86 assembly so that you have a (slightly skewed) belief that assembly programming is impossible and to make you thankful that you're being forced to use high-level assembly languages like C. |
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| 07:37.28 | simonrvn | x86 asm is kludgy ;) |
| 07:37.39 | el_isma | twb: lol |
| 07:37.42 | xingu | twb: if you wanted that outcome, you'd cram i860 down their necks. |
| 07:37.51 | twb | xingu: hahaha |
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| 07:38.42 | twb | Unless you get VERY lucky, it really isn't worth going to university for CS training. They're mostly totally incompetent. |
| 07:38.58 | el_isma | twb: I'm doing EE, actually |
| 07:39.07 | twb | Ah, that makes more sense. |
| 07:39.15 | twb | Still, you should be learning Forth! |
| 07:39.16 | DooMRunneR | hi |
| 07:39.26 | el_isma | twb: Emm :| |
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| 07:41.37 | xingu | twb: CS != programming, and that hair is worth splitting when considering the merits of higher learning. |
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| 07:42.05 | twb | I'm well aware of that |
| 07:42.06 | el_isma | twb: So, m68k is a good start? |
| 07:42.08 | xingu | twb: the difference I see in the approach taken by CS grads and non-CS grads to system analysis is frankly astonishing |
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| 07:42.35 | twb | You mean, the former use Java and the latter use PHP and VB? |
| 07:42.48 | twb | >grumble< |
| 07:43.06 | xingu | twb: no, the latter flounder and are unable to complete the task - and so jump straight to the c0d3r1ng bit. |
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| 07:43.23 | twb | Most CS graduates I see do that, too |
| 07:43.41 | twb | Most CS graduates I see don't even get access to unix hosts at uni |
| 07:43.42 | xingu | twb: nb, I say this as a CSE flunkee. :) |
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| 07:44.02 | twb | s/graduates/students/, rather |
| 07:44.04 | xingu | hmm, maybe I have a stratified view of the world |
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| 07:44.36 | twb | ftp://twb.ath.cx/words/vocational.html |
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| 07:45.25 | twb | "A student should not need to memorize an API to graduate, but she should be need to be able to design one." |
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| 07:46.46 | xingu | twb: agree with everything you've written. ;) |
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| 07:47.19 | twb | The link at the bottom goes into a lot more detail |
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| 07:47.24 | xingu | twb: I've always seen higher learning as a place for teaching frameworks for furthering acedemic research |
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| 07:47.51 | el_isma | I've got trouble with the english: "she should be need to be able to design one" -> "she should be able to design one"? |
| 07:48.07 | xingu | twb: teaching vocational skills/ trades is usually a complete waste of time; you can't cram experience. |
| 07:48.23 | seanp2k | hello. I was just wondering if there is any way to have, by defualt, my soundcard not muted? |
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| 07:48.45 | seanp2k | every time i start lately (don't know what caused it) my sound is muted, kind of annoying |
| 07:48.52 | twb | Well, in .au there are two types of tertiary education centres -- universities and tafes. In THEORY the former give you background necessary to conduct novel research, or to teach. They are expensive and tedious. The latter offer cheap, short courses that give you just enough training to get an entry level job. |
| 07:48.59 | solid_liq | seanp2k: use alsamixer to set it how you want, then alsactl store to save it that way |
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| 07:49.15 | seanp2k | solid_liq: thanks! |
| 07:49.20 | solid_liq | seanp2k: np |
| 07:49.33 | twb | The problem I see is that now universities, at least within the CS ares, are not actually doing any "hard" training -- they're teach what the vocational classes should be teaching. |
| 07:50.08 | twb | We're getting a situation where *graduate students* don't understand pointer arithmetic and cons cells. |
| 07:50.24 | seanp2k | solid_liq: those aren't terminal commands are they? |
| 07:50.30 | simonrvn | dumbing shit down IOW |
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| 07:50.38 | xingu | twb: they teach whatever sells - and at present that has been employment coupons for at least two decades |
| 07:50.38 | twb | simonrvn: yes. |
| 07:50.39 | simonrvn | seems to be a global trend |
| 07:50.47 | twb | xingu: exactly. |
| 07:50.56 | twb | xingu: which is precisely what should NOT be happening. |
| 07:51.23 | simonrvn | less about real education and more about getting people a wage slave^w^wjob |
| 07:51.38 | twb | simonrvn: hell, even MIT teaching staff were forced -- mainly by the administrators -- to replace their entry-level Scheme classes with Python. |
| 07:51.52 | solid_liq | seanp2k: yes, of course they are |
| 07:51.52 | simonrvn | fuck |
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| 07:51.59 | xingu | twb: *nod* oh well, the good news is that they're creating a forward premium on the price of pure research |
| 07:52.05 | twb | These are the same administrators whose ranks have trebled in the last decade, while teaching staff numbers remain mostly unchanged |
| 07:52.05 | seanp2k | solid_liq: getting command not found... |
| 07:52.15 | xingu | twb: which might be good from a personal POV depending on circumstances over the next fifteen years |
| 07:52.20 | liable | install alsa-utils |
| 07:52.28 | seanp2k | tried that already |
| 07:52.31 | solid_liq | seanp2k: apt-get install alsa-utils |
| 07:52.33 | solid_liq | hmm |
| 07:52.44 | liable | solid_liq: as root |
| 07:52.49 | solid_liq | yep :D |
| 07:52.53 | liable | oops |
| 07:52.56 | cahoot | seanp2k, what happends if you run alsa-utils reset 0 - errormsg? |
| 07:52.57 | twb | xingu: yeah, except all the researchers at the unis I attended were working on web apps, which are anathema to me. |
| 07:52.58 | solid_liq | seanp2k: run that as root |
| 07:53.00 | liable | nickborkage |
| 07:53.16 | cahoot | seanp2k, err invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 07:53.33 | simonrvn | !fix liable's tab key |
| 07:53.50 | liable | dont nueter my tab key! |
| 07:53.54 | twb | Yes, it's cool to be able to compile your haskell program to ecmascript and run it on a desktop, but that means you need to start X and Firefox -- which requires about a zillion times more resources than are appropriate for a single users system |
| 07:53.56 | seanp2k | ahh ok |
| 07:54.09 | seanp2k | now alsactl shows up in tab completion <3 bash |
| 07:54.15 | xingu | twb: turns out, a million times more power budget too. |
| 07:54.20 | twb | xingu: yeah |
| 07:54.22 | solid_liq | seanp2k: :D heheh |
| 07:54.36 | twb | power is a resource |
| 07:54.43 | seanp2k | yay another thing that runs when i boot |
| 07:54.50 | solid_liq | lol |
| 07:55.06 | seanp2k | more daemons than luigi's haunted mansion |
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| 07:55.20 | solid_liq | seanp2k: it doesn't start anything extra for that |
| 07:55.28 | simonrvn | !tell erphan -about root |
| 07:55.29 | seanp2k | oo..cool |
| 07:55.43 | liable | simonrvn: i=root ;) |
| 07:55.47 | xingu | twb: and *that* is going to be where nature will right the balance. :) |
| 07:55.49 | simonrvn | on top of it |
| 07:56.02 | twb | The alsa-utils init.d script just runs once, it doesn't create a persistent process |
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| 07:56.09 | xingu | twb: peak oil is a reality; power budgets 2012-2038 will be very, very important. |
| 07:56.25 | simonrvn | xingu: sure is |
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| 07:56.58 | liable | dont most plants run on gas or coal? |
| 07:57.12 | simonrvn | they run an UV light ;p |
| 07:57.15 | simonrvn | on* |
| 07:57.15 | catbot | i use ssh login remote host in rxvt, why the rxvt title not be set to the remote host? |
| 07:57.30 | simonrvn | oh and visible to human spectrum too, but less so |
| 07:57.32 | xingu | twb: particularly startup current but also operating; most oil replacements can't deliver equivalent peak load... |
| 07:57.55 | catbot | anybody know why and have any solution? |
| 07:57.56 | liable | teach me for being lazy and skipping a word ;) |
| 07:58.13 | simonrvn | liable: teehee :) |
| 07:58.30 | xingu | liable: if the energy expended in extracting ${foo} is greater than the energy yield of ${foo} then you're toast. |
| 07:58.30 | twb | catbot: because you aren't sending the appropriate escape codes |
| 07:58.58 | xingu | liable: plants running on gas and coal require /growing/ oil supplies to be energy-effective to build. |
| 07:59.02 | twb | xingu: currently oil is like 1 barrels in to 2 barrels out, yeah? |
| 07:59.03 | catbot | twb, then i how do? |
| 07:59.04 | xingu | liable: scary, but ~true. |
| 07:59.08 | hark | twb: on shutdown and start, so you don't need to manually alsactl store |
| 07:59.20 | twb | hark: yes. |
| 07:59.25 | databuddy | earthquake!!!! socal rox |
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| 07:59.46 | twb | socal? What is this, Burning Chrome? |
| 07:59.57 | xingu | twb: I'm sure there's figures out there, I'm not that focussed on specifics; but for an EE or CS grad, all I'm saying is the world is going to beating a path to the door of the guy that uses the least silicon and at the lowest clock rates. |
| 08:00.13 | twb | xingu: yeah right |
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| 08:00.31 | twb | xingu: people won't do anything about it until it's too late |
| 08:00.32 | inc0 | hello again |
| 08:00.33 | el_isma | xingu: that usually is cheaper too |
| 08:00.59 | simonrvn | they'll keep going until they realise they can't eat money |
| 08:01.01 | hark | helps global cooling too |
| 08:01.18 | xingu | twb: it's after the too late that I'm talking about; because the price of energy will go geometric forcing the don't care brigade to err.. care. |
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| 08:01.48 | solid_liq | xingu: whoop-dee-doo!! ;) |
| 08:01.58 | simonrvn | send them to mars... then they can the rest of us alone ffs |
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| 08:02.01 | solid_liq | (don't care brigade) |
| 08:02.33 | xingu | anyway. enough OT from me for a thursday |
| 08:02.42 | solid_liq | wait, go geometric? so, what, it'll be a square? a triangle? a circle, perhaps? |
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| 08:04.07 | Ramattack | come later mates |
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| 08:04.09 | Ramattack | thanks a lot |
| 08:04.10 | xingu | solid_liq: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebraic_geometry |
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| 08:04.39 | andyp_ | hi |
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| 08:07.57 | andyp_ | make a typo want to know how to correct it please. the typo was ln -s linux-source-2.6.21 linux I missed the "i" out of linux and when i try to make the link agian it thinks it already exits how to make corect? |
| 08:08.02 | saas | hi. where could i set environment variables that apply to every shell. I tried /etc/profile but somehow without effect |
| 08:08.38 | saas | (and I did export the var) |
| 08:08.41 | xingu | saas: /etc/environment ? |
| 08:08.53 | saas | I'll check it |
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| 08:09.22 | andyp_ | as lnux-source-2.6.21 linux |
| 08:09.33 | hark | andyp_: rm linux |
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| 08:10.29 | saas | brb |
| 08:11.06 | andyp_ | hark: thanks |
| 08:11.10 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 08:11.10 | dpkg | i heard qotd161 is * asg sings the 'My Little Pony' song |
| 08:11.13 | simonrvn | andyp_: mv; mv foo foo1 |
| 08:11.47 | andyp_ | alredy done what hark suggeated |
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| 08:12.17 | Blackhold | hello |
| 08:12.54 | cafuego | andyp_: for future reference, 'ln -sf linux-source-2.6.21 linux' |
| 08:12.59 | Blackhold | I'm installing the debian testing 2nd of august release and it stops when trying to connect to a time server... anyone knows how to solve it? |
| 08:13.27 | cafuego | That will silently overwrite the old link (or file, if there was a file and you for the syntax wrong ;-) |
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| 08:13.46 | simonrvn | cafuego: hello there |
| 08:14.03 | xingu | symlinks to "linux", how very pre-Kbuild. |
| 08:14.07 | cahoot | how come the ln accepted a nonexistent file to symlink to/from? |
| 08:14.18 | xingu | this is y2k calling and they want their makefiles back. |
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| 08:14.23 | simonrvn | always did that IME |
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| 08:14.34 | simonrvn | xingu: heh heh heh |
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| 08:14.40 | blowfish | hi |
| 08:14.42 | simonrvn | !tell root -about root |
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| 08:14.50 | saas | xingu, thank you bro, It worked :) |
| 08:14.51 | hark | m-a prepare still does it |
| 08:14.51 | blowfish | oke |
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| 08:15.58 | blowfish | how made a deb package ? |
| 08:16.14 | saas | now my next questino is this: why on earth I failed to find this information on the web. The info, that env vars are set in /etc/environment. and no linux books mention it in connection with ENV vars |
| 08:16.35 | saas | at least online books |
| 08:16.56 | xingu | saas: pam_env.so is what does the magic. |
| 08:17.01 | cafuego | simonrvn: heya |
| 08:17.09 | andyp_ | I think it always a problem sometims working with lenny |
| 08:17.27 | xingu | saas: books are frequently dated; and there's always more than one way to skin a feline with unix. |
| 08:17.32 | simonrvn | !lenny |
| 08:17.32 | dpkg | lenny is, like, the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 08:18.12 | andyp_ | ! etch-lenny |
| 08:18.18 | saas | xingu, well i tried one way - mentioned in books - and i failed. So there is not so many ways - it seems |
| 08:18.19 | xingu | saas: in the etch timeframe, pam has suddenly become very, very feature rich. |
| 08:18.22 | simonrvn | forgot the > |
| 08:18.48 | andyp_ | ! etch->lenny |
| 08:18.48 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
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| 08:19.14 | saas | xingu, ok, thank you. now i go . best regards |
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| 08:20.43 | andyp_ | what do i need to fluxbox is it just baisc core + xorg+kdm for example |
| 08:20.56 | andyp_ | the bare mininum |
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| 08:21.33 | simonrvn | {x,g,k}dm aren't really needed. xorg + fluxbox will go fine |
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| 08:23.10 | twb | You don't need a WM, either |
| 08:23.31 | andyp_ | simonrvn: thanks |
| 08:23.32 | simonrvn | nope ;) |
| 08:24.04 | simonrvn | just run the xterm with nothing else ;p |
| 08:24.16 | simonrvn | or forgo x |
| 08:24.22 | twb | I do. |
| 08:24.27 | simonrvn | or even turn the thing off |
| 08:24.35 | twb | Hooray for console-setup, kbd and terminus-console |
| 08:24.38 | simonrvn | that's really truly hardcore |
| 08:24.46 | twb | Well yes |
| 08:24.47 | simonrvn | turning it off |
| 08:25.01 | simonrvn | i can code on my fingers |
| 08:25.11 | simonrvn | </quote> |
| 08:25.49 | simonrvn | (no, not making fun of anyone, not my intent) |
| 08:25.50 | andyp_ | installed komander and kommander dev on fluxbox as I need komander-dev to ran a script but when i invoke kommander no such file or directory |
| 08:25.59 | andyp_ | kommander |
| 08:26.21 | simonrvn | try kom<tab><tab> |
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| 08:26.41 | liable | or dpkg -L kommander to find the binary |
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| 08:27.21 | simonrvn | dude's been joining/quitting most of the night |
| 08:27.25 | liable | i have to have a hair of the dog |
| 08:28.09 | simonrvn | she's really nice, doesn't shed much, and smart |
| 08:28.10 | liable | yeah, the isp's tubes are prolly blocked from all the bots probing my server |
| 08:28.19 | simonrvn | hehe :/ |
| 08:28.39 | andyp_ | liable: thanks the list is a mile long |
| 08:28.44 | liable | i am thinking of dropping the entire range |
| 08:28.59 | simonrvn | all the effing zombified windows and old RH 5.x hosts out there... |
| 08:29.09 | simonrvn | andyp_: | grep bin |
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| 08:30.14 | simonrvn | sometimes i do that, just too much crap coming in from some unallocated/rogue IP blocks |
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| 08:30.57 | simonrvn | i hate having to do it sometimes... |
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| 08:31.10 | Debianix | anyone in london from here ? |
| 08:31.16 | f00li5h | can someone remind me what the apt-show-me-the-files-belonging-to <packagename> command is |
| 08:31.17 | SlayerXP | Debianix: yes. |
| 08:31.20 | simonrvn | london where? |
| 08:31.21 | Debianix | ahhh :D |
| 08:31.26 | SlayerXP | f00li5h: dpkg -L |
| 08:31.34 | f00li5h | SlayerXP++ thanks |
| 08:31.35 | Debianix | anywhere :P |
| 08:31.36 | Debianix | lol |
| 08:31.46 | Debianix | just wanted to ask who has bt broadband |
| 08:31.51 | simonrvn | not i |
| 08:32.23 | mesof | not me |
| 08:32.23 | SlayerXP | Debianix: all broadband is provided by BT |
| 08:32.23 | Debianix | for some reason i think there is some stupid mistake on their router |
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| 08:32.23 | Debianix | i cannot dmz my machine |
| 08:32.26 | simonrvn | which router? ;) |
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| 08:32.34 | SlayerXP | Debianix: BT owns all the physical lines. You can choose from many ISPs for the actual service, though |
| 08:32.35 | mesof | schaaa |
| 08:32.56 | liable | uh oh, mesof the drunk is back |
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| 08:33.22 | mesof | where's my money'! |
| 08:33.33 | andyp_ | ok thanks we have got /usr/bin/extrackmdr, /usr/bin/kmdr-plugins, /usr/bin/kmdr2po , /usr/bin/kmdr-executor, , /usr/bin/kmdr-editor |
| 08:33.34 | simonrvn | mesof: in your bank account |
| 08:33.47 | mesof | simonrvn: ? |
| 08:34.04 | Debianix | SlayerXP: the bthomehyb |
| 08:34.09 | simonrvn | think about what you said and you'll get it |
| 08:34.09 | Debianix | hub |
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| 08:34.28 | liable | to shozzled |
| 08:34.36 | simonrvn | probably ;) |
| 08:34.40 | alex_ | Debianix, get a new router? |
| 08:35.34 | Debianix | i have one, but my landloard owns the internet acess :S so he prefers to stay with what he knows |
| 08:35.59 | liable | kick him in the nuts |
| 08:36.07 | Debianix | i went reading on google, and i saw an article saying some of the routers might be locked |
| 08:36.10 | Debianix | is that possible ? |
| 08:36.15 | mesof | liable: are you a woman |
| 08:36.24 | fireba11 | ^^ |
| 08:36.28 | alex_ | Debianix, just port foward 1-65535 to your machine |
| 08:36.38 | liable | mesof: yep, 18yo blond, big boobs. |
| 08:36.39 | simonrvn | mesof: a) why does that matter? b) are you? |
| 08:36.51 | alex_ | liable, cybersex? |
| 08:36.56 | alex_ | :P |
| 08:37.05 | mesof | no, i'm a wanted felon in 47 states |
| 08:37.07 | Debianix | ahh let me try that then |
| 08:37.09 | andyp_ | liable: you kck him in the nuts, IS NUTS REFERING TO TESTICLES? |
| 08:37.15 | mesof | a linux addict, what!? |
| 08:37.17 | liable | yep |
| 08:37.38 | simonrvn | 47 states of inebriation |
| 08:37.39 | liable | andyp_: have you never heard that before? |
| 08:38.00 | mesof | we know about cyber |
| 08:38.08 | mesof | okay, we're just smart |
| 08:38.42 | andyp_ | liable: yes but I did not understand as my first lanuage is not english it was just the NUTS part |
| 08:39.49 | liable | andyp_: little question, why do you capitalize nuts? |
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| 08:40.55 | mesof | because he wants to |
| 08:40.57 | andyp_ | liable: well t seems strange that nuts refering to testicles but I see the connection now a little slow |
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| 08:41.57 | liable | mesof: shouldnt you have fallen off your chair by now? |
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| 08:42.31 | andyp_ | liable: i always think of nuts as in cadberise fruit and nut chocolate |
| 08:42.32 | simonrvn | blow on him he'll tip over |
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| 08:44.03 | mesof | liable: yes your linux coms have blown my mind, but really! |
| 08:44.07 | liable | i wouldnt be surprised at all |
| 08:44.17 | andyp_ | any back kmdr lots of error messages because i only have fluxbox will not install kde for the sake of running kommander |
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| 08:44.36 | xand | andyp_: english please :) |
| 08:45.35 | mesof | liable: eugh~! |
| 08:45.36 | andyp_ | ok when I run mdr-executor lots of error mssages maybe I need to install kde which I will not do |
| 08:45.53 | andyp_ | kmdr |
| 08:46.03 | liable | if kommander needed it, it should have installed it |
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| 08:46.51 | subx | if i log into my server via ssh and execute a process, ie. ftp some files. is there a way of leaving that process on, even after i have closed the shell ? |
| 08:47.11 | liable | screen |
| 08:47.22 | subx | aye ive heard of that |
| 08:47.26 | bolt | how can I change ownership of a symlink? with chown, i keep changing the ownershipp of what the symlink points to.. |
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| 08:47.42 | subx | liable: can you log back into the exact same shell with screen? |
| 08:47.42 | andyp_ | liable: hats a good pint |
| 08:47.49 | andyp_ | thats |
| 08:47.50 | liable | links dont have perms iirc |
| 08:47.59 | liable | subx: yup |
| 08:48.06 | el_isma | subx: screen -R -D |
| 08:48.07 | subx | excellent |
| 08:48.30 | subx | i think bitchx used a similar technology IIRC |
| 08:48.34 | mesof | check my away message /away 4eva! |
| 08:48.36 | bolt | liable: it says in ls -l it's owned by root, group root. but the target directory is owned by my username |
| 08:48.52 | RvGaTe | Seems that im banned from #debian-offtopic.... how come? :S |
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| 08:49.08 | subx | RvGaTe: bad odour, take a shower |
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| 08:49.50 | RvGaTe | subx, and hows that supposed to help me? lol |
| 08:49.58 | mesof | ah liable you don't go in ##linux, that's right |
| 08:50.18 | liable | bolt: its mentioned in man chmod actually |
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| 08:51.25 | andyp_ | liable: ran kmdr-executor , error - no dialog given use --stdin option to read dialog from standard input |
| 08:51.55 | liable | andyp_: check the docs i guess |
| 08:51.56 | Debianix | right |
| 08:52.14 | Debianix | i just trying port forwarding 80 only |
| 08:52.20 | Debianix | and it doesn't work, |
| 08:52.21 | Debianix | :S |
| 08:52.23 | Debianix | blehhhhhhhh |
| 08:52.27 | diafic | !java one-liner |
| 08:52.31 | diafic | ... |
| 08:52.34 | diafic | no java oneliner? |
| 08:52.36 | diafic | !java |
| 08:52.36 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>. |
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| 08:52.41 | diafic | !install java |
| 08:52.41 | dpkg | install java is probably First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk or sun-java6-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/lenny/sid. |
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| 08:53.10 | liable | message the bot dude or we will have to lart you into next year |
| 08:53.17 | Siddharta | excuses me i'm running etch and i would like to install gnutella or limewire , i cant find both with aptitude search ? |
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| 08:53.28 | liable | non-free? |
| 08:53.30 | Siddharta | is there a special entry in source-list |
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| 08:53.57 | liable | Siddharta: do you have contrib and non-free in there? |
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| 08:54.47 | Siddharta | liable: yes |
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| 08:55.01 | bolt | liable: oh. thanks. |
| 08:55.44 | EvilGuru | Hello, I have just installed spamassassin on my server (which seems to be working well), however while in /etc/defaults/spamassassin CRON=1 when I take a look at the cron job (in /etc/cron.daily/spamassassin) I see that CRON=0 (which causes it to exit). Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong? |
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| 08:58.07 | Debianix | i hate that router with passion |
| 08:58.45 | rogue- | Hello |
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| 09:04.37 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:04.37 | dpkg | from memory, qotd74 is < DrBlink> wow i didnt kno linux had an interface |
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| 09:10.19 | rogue- | !coco |
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| 09:15.38 | jelly-home | liable: added quotes 190 - 199 to the mix. Find them all, win a cookie! |
| 09:16.29 | liable | chocky chip? |
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| 09:18.28 | jelly-home | yes |
| 09:19.19 | jelly-home | hm, for some reason there are no qotd195 - qotd198, but 199 - 201 are there. |
| 09:19.28 | liable | throw in a glass of milk and its a deal |
| 09:20.12 | xingu | jelly-home: make it a hash cookie and stoned will pee himself |
| 09:20.21 | liable | hah |
| 09:21.00 | xingu | -ENOCAFE, time for refill |
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| 09:21.21 | liable | get me a damn eer while your at it |
| 09:21.26 | liable | beer |
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| 09:21.34 | xingu | beer? you can't handle my beer. |
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| 09:21.36 | liable | maybe i have had enouf allready |
| 09:21.36 | jelly-home | milk would curb if sent overseas |
| 09:21.38 | rogue- | coco: you shouldn't drink beer |
| 09:21.51 | ttuuxxx | Hey room |
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| 09:22.06 | liable | coco? |
| 09:22.15 | Room | hey ttuuxxx! |
| 09:22.28 | ttuuxxx | lol nice nic room |
| 09:22.51 | ttuuxxx | so does this room have any windows? |
| 09:23.12 | rogue- | coco: it's not a "real" room |
| 09:23.14 | jelly-home | ttuuxxx: do you have a Debian question? |
| 09:23.15 | ttuuxxx | i'm on xp but really like puppy linux |
| 09:23.22 | liable | nope. like us nerd prefer, its a dank basement |
| 09:23.43 | streuner | !room |
| 09:23.43 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
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| 09:23.49 | rogue- | coco: what do XP and Puppy have to do with debian? |
| 09:24.20 | liable | rogue-: whats with the coco? |
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| 09:24.28 | rogue- | coco: what do you mean? |
| 09:24.40 | utopia_ | anybody know if the latest iceweasal fixes some of its unstablity? |
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| 09:24.52 | ttuuxxx | well puppy is kind of debian based, even that it was made from scratch |
| 09:24.56 | rogue- | coco: I run the latest iceweasel and it's perfectly stable. |
| 09:25.04 | liable | no, but it introduced some new instability |
| 09:25.06 | RvGaTe | Seems that im banned from #debian-offtopic.... how come? :S |
| 09:25.08 | ttuuxxx | it can run .deb files |
| 09:25.10 | MangosDebian | someone kick bell.ca |
| 09:25.25 | xingu | RvGaTe: maybe you weren't offtopic enough |
| 09:25.26 | rogue- | coco: what do you mean by "running" .deb files? |
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| 09:25.29 | liable | RvGaTe: ask the ops there |
| 09:25.34 | utopia_ | rogue-, cool ill update so. |
| 09:25.43 | RvGaTe | liable, how would i ask them if im banned? lol |
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| 09:25.52 | liable | RvGaTe: query them |
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| 09:26.07 | RvGaTe | liable, i have no idea who the ops are |
| 09:26.10 | liable | i think abrotmoo is one |
| 09:26.17 | MangosDebian | my isp just send me a slammer worm on a rfc1918 ip via ppp0! wtf bell |
| 09:26.23 | rogue- | coco: check your status window (or whatever) for a list of names from #debian-offtopic |
| 09:26.28 | MangosDebian | 10.10.10.254! |
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| 09:26.41 | liable | MangosDebian: huh? |
| 09:27.09 | MangosDebian | liable: for the last few weeks ive been tracking a packet from the net from 10.10.10.254 port 1434 udp, a slammer worm signature |
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| 09:27.27 | xingu | MangosDebian: is PPPoE in use anywhere? |
| 09:27.32 | MangosDebian | liable: i couldnt tell before through the switch, now with my ppp setup i know for sure its coming over pppoe |
| 09:27.40 | MangosDebian | xingu: yes |
| 09:27.41 | liable | xingu: we use it |
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| 09:27.53 | xingu | MangosDebian: check the ether headers - it might be a broadcast frame. |
| 09:27.56 | RvGaTe | !ops Hey... listen up.... it seems that im banned from #debian-offtopic, could anyone explain me why? and hopefully unban me if its not a big deal.... thx in advance.. |
| 09:27.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: rvgate complains about: Hey... listen up.... it seems that im banned from #debian-offtopic, could anyone explain me why? and hopefully unban me if its not a big deal.... thx in advance.. |
| 09:28.07 | liable | RvGaTe: wrong ops dude.. |
| 09:28.15 | MangosDebian | xingu: with a slammer worm signature?! |
| 09:28.19 | RvGaTe | gotta be someone also an op in offtopic.. |
| 09:28.21 | xingu | MangosDebian: entirely possible |
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| 09:28.31 | jelly-home | MangosDebian: maybe they did some scanning |
| 09:28.38 | MangosDebian | jelly-home: for the last month? |
| 09:28.45 | MangosDebian | every 2 days on the day |
| 09:28.47 | rogue- | maybe they banned you because you're lame lulz |
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| 09:29.44 | goll | I need to hide the apache string that appears when I run "curl -I www.mysite.com" |
| 09:29.45 | MangosDebian | xingu: i can't see it. private ip's shouldnt ever come via my ppp imho |
| 09:29.57 | goll | I setup this in apache config file |
| 09:29.58 | xingu | MangosDebian: things to look out for; ethernet will obviously broadcast err broadcast frames regardless of content; and also, a ethernet switch will default to flooding a frame if there's no cam entry for its target mac |
| 09:30.03 | utopia_ | anybody know why when i try to remove evolution, aptitude wants to remove everything asscioted with gnome |
| 09:30.04 | goll | ServerSignature Off and ServerTokens Prod |
| 09:30.04 | rogue- | goll: ok |
| 09:30.10 | irawan | hi, we have been trying to setup a xerox docuprint 203a which connected to a d-link DP-303 print server but no success yet, any help please |
| 09:30.15 | jelly-home | rogue-: why would they discriminate based on physical disabilities? |
| 09:30.18 | utopia_ | -gnome-desktop-enviroment works good, but the next solution wants to remove gedit,gdm..etc |
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| 09:30.34 | rogue- | jelly-home: because nobody likes people with physical disabilities |
| 09:30.36 | cast | irawan: what part of that involves debian |
| 09:30.36 | MangosDebian | xingu: your missing something. 1) ITS 100% SLAMMER SIGNATURE 2) its Always the same port |
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| 09:30.39 | xingu | MangosDebian: datalink dependant sorry; unless they use switch firmware that gives you a discrete segment per customer (some metroE does) the defacto is sloppy ethernet enginearing. |
| 09:30.48 | xingu | MangosDebian: IT DOESN@T MATTER. :) |
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| 09:30.50 | cast | irawan: i have that printer, it works in debian fine enough |
| 09:31.02 | MangosDebian | xingu: dont feed me some bullshit as to why my isp is sending that |
| 09:31.03 | jusae | where's the control panel in kde? |
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| 09:31.08 | xingu | MangosDebian: it's possible to broadcast a frame that has slammer signature payload |
| 09:31.12 | utopia_ | anybody know why when i try to remove evolution, aptitude wants to remove everything asscioted with gnome |
| 09:31.25 | irawan | cast: the printer is in a network and I'm having problem to set it up |
| 09:31.31 | xingu | MangosDebian: oh, well stay ignorant then, spout off here instead! that's sure to cure it. |
| 09:31.35 | jelly-home | MangosDebian: why are you asking here, instead of asking your isp? |
| 09:31.40 | liable | utopia_: you need to unmark the gnome stuff as auto |
| 09:31.45 | irawan | cast: do you mind to let me know the set up? |
| 09:31.46 | twb | utopia_: yes. |
| 09:31.54 | MangosDebian | xingu: well, im open to reading about what you claim in url's if you got any |
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| 09:32.07 | irawan | cast: connection, port, driver, etc. |
| 09:32.11 | jusae | my monitors kinda screwed, where's the graphics options or control panel like thing? |
| 09:32.18 | twb | utopia_: you installed `gnome', which pulled in evolution and everything else. Trying to remove evolution makes the `gnome' metapackage uninstallable, causing it and everything it pulled in to be removed. |
| 09:32.21 | ttuuxxx | damn phone |
| 09:32.23 | MangosDebian | jelly-home: isp didnt care last time I called. seen as you say "switch" with bell they pretty well hang up |
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| 09:32.32 | MangosDebian | s/seen/soon/ |
| 09:32.34 | xingu | MangosDebian: wtf? I'm reminding you how ethernet works and you want some ludicrous cite? |
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| 09:32.43 | xingu | man, one grumpy bum today. |
| 09:32.50 | hark | utopia_: if it's just gnome gnome-dsktop-environment etc, then that's ok |
| 09:32.53 | jelly-home | MangosDebian: change the isp. |
| 09:33.04 | subx | do any of you guys keep your irssi session open with 'screen' ? |
| 09:33.10 | liable | yes |
| 09:33.16 | subx | aye good idea |
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| 09:33.29 | liable | thats why this channel has ~600 users that never talk |
| 09:33.33 | MangosDebian | xingu: so your saying that if I were to setup a vulnerable IIS server and forwarded that packet to my machine, I wouldnt get a slammer worm from my isp? |
| 09:33.45 | [1]harpal | I have x86 board and I have installed debian on it but I want that when debian shutdown than it beeps how to do that? |
| 09:33.45 | subx | liable: i thought that might be because of bncs |
| 09:33.56 | liable | subx: whats bncs? |
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| 09:34.00 | ttuuxxx | hey is it possible for someone to make a secure login pup file for puppy linux, thats what sucks about it, your automatically an admin user full time in puppy linux? |
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| 09:34.01 | subx | psybnc |
| 09:34.13 | subx | irc proxy |
| 09:34.16 | xingu | MangosDebian: I'm saying that ethernet switches will flood broadcast frames and also frames where the destintion MAC is not learnt (in CAM) |
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| 09:34.38 | xingu | MangosDebian: anything else you choose, in your current ill humour, to assume I'm saying is entirely up to you. |
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| 09:35.04 | hark | ttuuxxx: #puppylinux |
| 09:35.27 | MangosDebian | xingu: so your suggesting that I am getting a packet that is left over from some oversized frame? |
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| 09:35.52 | ttuuxxx | hark #pupplinux has no idea how to do it, so debian is like its big brother with all the know how. |
| 09:36.18 | liable | the big brother thats about to pin you down and give you the typewriter! |
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| 09:36.45 | hark | ttuuxxx: ok, but i doubt you'll get an answer here |
| 09:37.00 | xingu | MangosDebian: no; a packet that is /either/ a broadcast frame (all 1's dstaddr) and hence likely to be a below-the-radar *probe* - or - a unicast frame (!broadcast, !multicast) where the dst address has recently departed the broadcast domain you, and all your other local co-subscribers, share at the headend. |
| 09:37.18 | GreaseMonkey | night all |
| 09:37.22 | tosh | does anyone have a busybox linux running somewhere (embedded system or other) who can give me a filelist of the system (find / output) ? |
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| 09:37.44 | MangosDebian | xingu: how do you explain the slammer worm payload? |
| 09:37.50 | MangosDebian | random fluke? |
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| 09:38.01 | xingu | MangosDebian: there's a slammer worm or below-the-radar probe on your same segment. |
| 09:38.06 | liable | tosh: man busybox has the binaries |
| 09:38.19 | liable | well, functions as they say |
| 09:38.22 | ttuuxxx | thats what sucks hark , if you can't get the answers in the home forums or the irc and you try other places , you get nothing, to me all Linux users should be brothers and not brothers at arms, shit we have microsoft for that. |
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| 09:38.35 | xingu | MangosDebian: pppoe designs are *usually* implemented poorly because folk who understand ethernet are few and far between. |
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| 09:38.52 | MangosDebian | xingu: sounds like a serious security issue then if anyone dsl subscriber is able to forge 10.x.x.x ip's and send them on the network |
| 09:38.53 | liable | !be an ethernet barbie |
| 09:38.54 | dpkg | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
| 09:38.58 | xingu | MangosDebian: they *usually* leak whatever crap is put on to the segment by the provider /or/ other subscribers regardless |
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| 09:39.11 | liable | dpkg: not relevant you fool! |
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| 09:39.31 | xingu | MangosDebian: <shrug> poor quality design leads to everyday lower prices. |
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| 09:40.00 | MangosDebian | xingu: Im guessing 10.10.10.254 is my modems internal ip. and more likely believe that a bell internal server is infected or scanning using real payload |
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| 09:40.52 | xingu | MangosDebian: the "modem" will be acting as a ethernet-to-whatever half-bridge as will its peer. |
| 09:41.01 | tosh | liable I need a filelist of a busybox distro |
| 09:41.01 | xingu | MangosDebian: probably ethernet-to-ethernet-over-atm. |
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| 09:42.02 | MangosDebian | xingu: a half bridge? how do you "half-bridge" something? |
| 09:42.07 | xingu | MangosDebian: it'll re-radiate whatever crap the provider and spec permit; the provider is probably allowing anything local to be forwarded - per-packet inspection (verses straight forwarding) at the far end is expensive and a design challenge. |
| 09:42.13 | MangosDebian | is that like double reverse vampires? |
| 09:42.30 | xingu | MangosDebian: you wrap it up in a cuddly little header for a different media type and flick it across interfaces. |
| 09:42.36 | liable | with those evil flying monkeys! |
| 09:42.36 | xingu | MangosDebian: and do the inverse on the far end. |
| 09:42.52 | MangosDebian | xingu: sounds just like tunneling to me |
| 09:43.03 | xingu | yeah, it probably would he says snidely. |
| 09:43.11 | MangosDebian | almost like....pppoe! |
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| 09:43.16 | xingu | I'm done, enjoy your problem. |
| 09:43.36 | MangosDebian | xingu: i always love your explanations though ;) |
| 09:43.48 | MangosDebian | that always make so much sense |
| 09:44.02 | xingu | if you think that ppp is a media type you've got a lot to learn. |
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| 09:44.08 | ttuuxxx | well thanks for nothing guys, must be nice to have the sunshine out of your asses, out of 732 people, no one could help someone who wanted to make a good distro a secure one, bunch of pricks |
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| 09:44.22 | liable | !customer |
| 09:44.22 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 09:44.46 | MangosDebian | .... |
| 09:45.12 | goll | rogue-, but still this appears Server: Apache/1.3.37 |
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| 09:46.12 | jusae | debian uses gnome right, is there a control panel or a config file so i can adjust either the monitor aspect ratio or the graphics card settings? |
| 09:46.43 | goll | jusae, gnome-display-properties (??) |
| 09:46.44 | twb | Should I be running `unattended-upgrades' instead of `cron-apt' on my servers? |
| 09:46.55 | twb | *my Etch servers. |
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| 09:47.43 | jusae | why is apt-get install gcc installin 470k when the gcc people send out a 15meg file? |
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| 09:48.10 | liable | meta-package? |
| 09:48.24 | liable | hrm, thats prolly not even right |
| 09:50.32 | themill | jusae: gcc, g++. gcj, gcc-x.y etc etc... there are many package that come from the gcc source |
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| 09:53.35 | jusae | gcc isn't set properly |
| 09:53.50 | efaistos | did someone install some sms solution and would have one to advise ? |
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| 09:54.11 | jusae | grrrr at how much setting up and organisation is necessary |
| 09:54.51 | hark | !b-e jusae |
| 09:54.52 | dpkg | jusae: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 09:54.53 | liable | 1)install build-essential 2) compile to you hearts content |
| 09:55.08 | jusae | thxs liable |
| 09:55.11 | petemc | efaistos: sms as in text messaging? |
| 09:55.30 | efaistos | petemc: yes |
| 09:55.34 | Vyrus001 | for some damn reason when i send ANYTHING from my shell to another box, my send speed gradualy drops to around 150 - 300k, no matter what i use, apache, scp, ftp, smb, etc... |
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| 09:55.47 | efaistos | for sending some alerts to oncall persons ... |
| 09:55.48 | liable | Vyrus001: wireless? |
| 09:56.06 | liable | i used to have a lynksys route that did that |
| 09:56.06 | Vyrus001 | liable, in this case yes.. but it has happend over wire before |
| 09:56.15 | petemc | efaistos: i purchased 100,000 texts from 2sms.com , they have an xml interface for sending, i have perl scripts and a c# app to send the messages |
| 09:56.20 | Vyrus001 | liable, its been like this through sevral router revisions |
| 09:56.21 | xingu | Vyrus001: ifconfig eth0 | grep errors |
| 09:56.26 | hark | apt-cache search send sms |
| 09:56.28 | xingu | Vyrus001: look for increasing error count. |
| 09:56.36 | Vyrus001 | xingu, on the box thtas sending or rcving ? |
| 09:56.40 | xingu | Vyrus001: substitute eth0 with whatever your network interface is |
| 09:56.43 | xingu | Vyrus001: on both. |
| 09:56.45 | Vyrus001 | k |
| 09:57.12 | xingu | Vyrus001: tcp will respond to lost (ie, errored) frames by halving the window size (ie, halving bandwidth estimation) |
| 09:57.28 | Vyrus001 | ic |
| 09:57.39 | Vyrus001 | well ther eare errors on the sending box |
| 09:57.46 | jelly-home | wasn't there a specific tcp window managing algo good for wireless? |
| 09:57.52 | Vyrus001 | The-Lab:/home/vyrus/torrents# ifconfig eth1 | grep errors |
| 09:57.52 | Vyrus001 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:57.52 | Vyrus001 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:57.55 | efaistos | petemc: was thinking maybe something like gnokii or somethin' else like maybe alamin |
| 09:57.55 | xingu | Vyrus001: most common source of ethernet errors is duplex (half vs full) mismatch between NIC and hub/switch port |
| 09:58.17 | Vyrus001 | ic... anyway to detect which is which / fix the problem? |
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| 09:58.59 | xingu | jelly-home: yes but you'd need to hat 802.11n speeds running in the neighbourhood of theoretical max before you saw much beneft *over* tweaking the 802.11[abg] datalink timers. |
| 09:59.22 | xingu | Vyrus001: depends on hardware; either ethtool (new, blessed) or mii-tool |
| 09:59.47 | xingu | Vyrus001: or possibly a module parameter; is the switch/hub managed? can you set its per-port settings ? |
| 10:00.01 | xingu | s/hat /have / |
| 10:00.07 | Vyrus001 | ic... so what im aiming for is detecting which duplex mode is on bolth the sending / recving system "system and router in this case" and setting them to match? |
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| 10:00.19 | xingu | Vyrus001: precisely. |
| 10:00.29 | Vyrus001 | ok.. thanx man |
| 10:00.31 | Vyrus001 | big help |
| 10:00.39 | xingu | Vyrus001: if you look at your hub/switch you should see the error light jabbering away like mad too. |
| 10:00.58 | Vyrus001 | xingu, my switch is a consumer POS dlink |
| 10:01.07 | Vyrus001 | i dont even know if it has an "err" light |
| 10:01.07 | xingu | they don't call them de-links for nothing. |
| 10:01.16 | Vyrus001 | hehe |
| 10:01.24 | Vyrus001 | yea my old moded wrt died so.. wacha gona do <_< |
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| 10:01.49 | Vyrus001 | i have no other src of internet so, it was eather hit up frys and get some shit thing or have nothing |
| 10:02.07 | cast | does using rdiff to do incremental backups of a block device with a filesystem on it [with a lvm snapshot] go down well? |
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| 10:02.37 | xingu | *nod* you do what you gotta do; in this instance you ideally want to end up with everything source, sink, and both hub/switch ports agreeing that 100baseTX/ full-duplex is a good idea |
| 10:03.01 | xingu | Vyrus001: providing it is in fact a switch; a hub will only ever run at half-duplex (it's just an antenna). |
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| 10:03.18 | Vyrus001 | xingu, its a router so.. a switch it is |
| 10:03.25 | xingu | never assume. :) |
| 10:03.28 | Vyrus001 | heh |
| 10:04.03 | Vyrus001 | xingu, well weather or not its a switch or a hub ( and due to sniffing and other forensics on my network as of late i think its a switch) its a consumer pice of crap, thats for sure <_< |
| 10:04.07 | xingu | Vyrus001: if it claims to be 802.3u and isn't, you can sue their arse is what I'm saying here. |
| 10:04.10 | jusae | excuse the stupid question, running a.out in bash? |
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| 10:04.30 | Vyrus001 | jusae, what about it |
| 10:04.40 | jusae | command not found |
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| 10:04.47 | Vyrus001 | chmod +x a.out |
| 10:04.48 | xingu | jusae: ./a.out probably. |
| 10:04.51 | MangosDebian | xingu: http://pastebin.ca/650937 |
| 10:05.10 | jusae | thxs xingu |
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| 10:05.42 | liable | hello world! |
| 10:05.46 | xingu | woah, oldschool |
| 10:05.56 | MangosDebian | liable: thats original... ;) |
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| 10:06.19 | MangosDebian | xingu: sorry, takes fsckin forever to dump that 1 packet from the massive capture file ;( |
| 10:06.37 | jusae | where does apt-mirror place the cvs tree? |
| 10:06.58 | Vyrus001 | xingu, btw awsome info on ethtool, this thing wins ;) |
| 10:07.27 | liable | MangosDebian: if someone is running an a.out, you can almost gaurentee its a hello world program |
| 10:07.31 | themill | jusae: cvs tree? |
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| 10:08.10 | jusae | yeah, the source stuff |
| 10:08.15 | jusae | root/dev? |
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| 10:08.52 | liable | whatever directory you ran apt-get source in |
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| 10:09.13 | themill | liable: apt-mirror not apt-get source |
| 10:09.23 | yos873 | Hi, I have question, how can I convert the VCD to any other format ? mpg or avi or anything else |
| 10:09.29 | MangosDebian | liable: a.out as in their first manual gcc compile you mean? yea heh |
| 10:09.37 | liable | ya |
| 10:09.40 | themill | yos873: mencoder |
| 10:10.19 | liable | i would imagint the apt-mirror docs would mention it |
| 10:10.31 | xingu | MangosDebian: unfortunately that's dropped the datalink headers; try something like arping -v -t 00:04:e2:8e:79:16 -T 1.1.1.1 |
| 10:10.37 | themill | jusae: the packages are downloaded to /var/spool/apt-mirror |
| 10:10.37 | yos873 | themill: it's text mode? |
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| 10:10.45 | xingu | MangosDebian: see if you can generate a icmp unreachable response out of the fucker. |
| 10:10.50 | yos873 | liable: how are you? are you off today? |
| 10:10.55 | MangosDebian | xingu: that mac is my router, thats an old capture though. |
| 10:10.58 | themill | yos873: yes... and it has too many options for its own good ;( |
| 10:11.06 | liable | yos873: yes, but i have a hangover |
| 10:11.17 | yos873 | themill: i'm installing it, i'll try it |
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| 10:11.35 | MangosDebian | xingu: i only noticed the packet when i setup the dmz and it got forwarded with the rfc1918. i had to setup pppoe in linux just to verify it wasnt internal via spoofed arp |
| 10:11.38 | yos873 | liable: what does hangover mean? |
| 10:11.39 | MangosDebian | err mac |
| 10:11.41 | xingu | MangosDebian: hmm; in that case you're a bit stuffed (yes, your router is acting as a ethernet-to-ppp-over-x half bridge) |
| 10:11.58 | liable | yos873: drunk last night |
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| 10:12.21 | yos873 | liable: good, enjoy your time, you deserve |
| 10:12.23 | MangosDebian | xingu: but with linux as the router now, i caught the packet in the syslog, just didnt pcap it this time. it is coming via ppp0 not eth0 though |
| 10:12.27 | xingu | MangosDebian: *nod* what happens if you configure an interface alias as 10.10.10.252 and ping .254 ? |
| 10:12.48 | yos873 | liable: yesterday before you sleep I wanted to say hi to you, But you didn't answer |
| 10:12.50 | xingu | MangosDebian: ie, not a ppp0 alias, an eth0 or whatever alias. |
| 10:13.04 | jusae | 54 gig, its gonna take some time |
| 10:13.12 | xingu | MangosDebian: goal is to generate an ether frame with that target IP address and see if it will resolve to arp who-has. |
| 10:13.13 | MangosDebian | xingu: you mean alias eth0 as 10.10.10.252 and try send to eth0? or pp0? |
| 10:13.27 | xingu | MangosDebian: eth0, then check your arp table afterward. |
| 10:13.28 | MangosDebian | xingu: well, would have to be eth0 out then for arp |
| 10:13.31 | liable | yos873: i may have been away from the computer, likely getting a beer from the fridge ;) |
| 10:13.31 | jusae | i really wanna get codin, i can't stop pacin, i'm gonna go for a walk |
| 10:13.56 | yos873 | themill: I install it, But it seems very diffecult to convert |
| 10:13.58 | liable | hard to write stuff when your walking |
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| 10:14.09 | xingu | MangosDebian: if you get lucky, it'll reply at layer3 and with the peer's mac address; if you get unlucky, it'll be dead at layer3 and your bridge will spoof arp. |
| 10:14.15 | jusae | :) |
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| 10:14.19 | themill | yos873: nod |
| 10:14.36 | jusae | thxs guys, i'll be back later, appricate the help |
| 10:14.39 | themill | jusae: what are you doing? |
| 10:14.41 | yos873 | But with liable, it might happen to write when you walking |
| 10:14.44 | MangosDebian | xingu: nothing |
| 10:14.49 | jusae | graphics stuff |
| 10:15.00 | xingu | MangosDebian: arp is still (unknown) ? |
| 10:15.06 | MangosDebian | xingu: incomplete, but ya |
| 10:15.09 | themill | jusae: are you downloading the entire debian mirror so you can do some development? |
| 10:15.19 | xingu | MangosDebian: that's about as far as you can take it from your end :| |
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| 10:15.39 | yos873 | themill: the manual is very long, can you help me to conver my vcd to mpg for example |
| 10:16.19 | themill | yos873: sorry... not off the top of my head. If you google for examples you'll find some though. |
| 10:16.25 | xingu | MangosDebian: get on abuse@provider's case and tell them that you're recieving unwanted traffic from their network - they probably won't be able to sort it out but abuse@ will be resourced while helpdesk@ won't. |
| 10:16.45 | yos873 | themill: yea yea, sorry for toruble |
| 10:16.49 | themill | yos873: I only use it very occasionally so I have to rtfm every time I use it. |
| 10:16.50 | MangosDebian | xingu: tell me about it. and bell doesnt care. They way i look at it, either a customer found a way to send "virii" over the bell network using impossible to believe private ip's or one of bells windows servers is infacted or sending intentionall (and the later two would never get past phone support. already tried) |
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| 10:17.03 | xingu | MangosDebian: abuse@ will have a line into 2nd-line-support@ too if they get enough complaints to warrant investigation (ie, ethernet tap at the headend) |
| 10:17.03 | jusae | themill: yes |
| 10:17.21 | themill | jusae: that sounds.... ummm... excessive.... |
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| 10:17.39 | MangosDebian | xingu: i tried. first i tried via IE and their activex to talk with a tech. soon as I said i had a switch, the connection dropped with a RST! I tried like 4 times total and they just kept hanging on the web interface |
| 10:17.41 | jusae | yeah |
| 10:17.49 | xingu | MangosDebian: if you were really keen you could buy a dsl modem that groks linux (speedtouch?) and join in the fun; subinterface on ppp0-over-atm, ping away |
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| 10:18.09 | jusae | but a function here or there could be used else where |
| 10:18.14 | xingu | MangosDebian: email abuse@ |
| 10:18.18 | xingu | MangosDebian: really. :) |
| 10:18.20 | rossMoHaX | hi! Is it possible to create in dovecot folders with national symbols? |
| 10:18.40 | MangosDebian | xingu: next day I phoned and got a tech that understood what I was saying and did his best to get me to a tech. but eventually i just got some french guy in quebec or something that was for commercial tech support and he basically give me the, "check your settings, reset your modem" speel |
| 10:18.48 | themill | jusae: if you can find them amongst all that. And if it's in the right language. with the right licence. |
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| 10:19.04 | themill | jusae: google code search or koders are probably more useful.... |
| 10:19.07 | jusae | what license |
| 10:19.14 | jusae | chuckin |
| 10:19.31 | xingu | MangosDebian: as soon as it's clear that it's a residential complaint the chart says "divert to helpdesk @least-cost-option" |
| 10:19.48 | xingu | MangosDebian: the only route which will work is the abuse@ email (potential) blackhole |
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| 10:19.51 | themill | jusae: you are downloading the source packages not the binaries too, aren't you? |
| 10:20.21 | MangosDebian | xingu: btw, sorry about earlier ;) I know what you mean about broadcast to all ports without mac on a switch. but regardless, 10.X/192.168.X/172.16.x should never make it past their firewall on the router. whats worse, I even get 137's off eth0 when I start up dhcp. |
| 10:20.25 | jusae | whatever apt-mirror comes with, plus i wanted to look at the cvs app stuff |
| 10:20.28 | xingu | MangosDebian: to debug this the provider needs to configure an ethernet sniffer on the remote end where the pppoe concentrators are |
| 10:20.44 | xingu | MangosDebian: that's the thing; there is no "router" in the classic sense which is why this leaks like buggery |
| 10:21.19 | xingu | MangosDebian: you have an underlying switched atm-over-whatever cloud; over the top of that is *bridged* ethernet-over-ppp |
| 10:21.32 | MangosDebian | xingu: ya, i figure since I caught the ppp0 log this time I am sure (and grateful) it wasnt internal. but ppp0 suggests to me its coming from their servers (albeit nobody noticed too since its a slammer variant, and google only had _1_ single hit for it) |
| 10:21.35 | xingu | MangosDebian: and over that is pppoe (which is why I asked if you were using it - it's how I know) |
| 10:21.45 | themill | jusae: if you just want cvs then just aptitude install cvs ? And if you're starting a new project, then investigate something like svn or git instead. |
| 10:21.54 | themill | jusae: (rather than using cvs) |
| 10:22.05 | xingu | MangosDebian: the deal is you're ~probably recieving the packet from the bridged-ethernet layer not the point-to-point encapsed pppoe layer. |
| 10:22.31 | MangosDebian | xingu: why would it be getting recieved via ppp0 in that case then? |
| 10:22.32 | xingu | MangosDebian: if they don't packet filter the ethernet layer shit will happen; it is *hard* (complex, expensive) to filter (at line rate) at that layer |
| 10:23.05 | MangosDebian | i could understand it coming through eth0, but my ppp ? |
| 10:23.32 | xingu | MangosDebian: depends how dumb the headend is; it may turn any ethernet broadcast frame into a unicast ppp-o-e frame. |
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| 10:23.44 | themill | jusae: and btw... if you're itching to get coding, then why don't you just do so... you don't need to download the entire debian archive before you can start coding.... |
| 10:23.48 | xingu | MangosDebian: this is guesswork right up to the point that abuse@ turns on an ethernet tap within the headend and debugs it. |
| 10:23.51 | MangosDebian | xingu: well, as long as its local to bell im more at ease. originally i was concerned my box was accepting tunnels or something :) |
| 10:24.19 | MangosDebian | xingu: well, should be fairly easy to debug with a packet log and a timeframe (every 2day's ish) |
| 10:24.36 | xingu | MangosDebian: it'll be local to bell, possibly originated within that bell POP, possibly (through the mysteries of inter-concentrator-transit-ethernet port flooding behaviour) from another subscriber to that POP |
| 10:24.59 | xingu | MangosDebian: yep; the missing link is - provider interest; if you were one of my customers the offending party would already be dark. :) |
| 10:25.01 | MangosDebian | xingu: mind you, i honestly dont know what format to send the packet in. last thing i want is the packet triggering virus scanner in email, and if I used uu, im sure nobody but the high end tech's would have a clue |
| 10:25.32 | xingu | MangosDebian: tcpdump -nvvi with a http link to the actual capture |
| 10:26.12 | MangosDebian | xingu: i guess i could go that way. was more wondering what packet proggy they use. either pcap of the MS format |
| 10:26.24 | MangosDebian | guess i could use both though and send file beam |
| 10:26.24 | xingu | MangosDebian: usually wireshark ;) |
| 10:26.33 | MangosDebian | i would hope so ;) |
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| 10:26.53 | xingu | MangosDebian: I would take a 99% guess that abuse@ uses wireshark for analysis and netvcr for flow capture. |
| 10:27.19 | MangosDebian | *sigh* now i gotta wait 2 more days to capture the new packet off the ppp0 |
| 10:27.48 | xingu | MangosDebian: is 2days your (own) pppoe session limit/lifetime? |
| 10:28.30 | MangosDebian | xingu: no, about every 2 days the packet hits me |
| 10:28.45 | xingu | MangosDebian: understand that, I'm playing probabilities for origin here |
| 10:29.09 | MangosDebian | generally diff src port, and not exectly 48 hours. must be mass sending, thats why i assume every time it hits 10.10.10.254 (my internal bell ip??) i get it |
| 10:29.09 | xingu | MangosDebian: if every 2days your own pppoe session goes lcp down it tells me something I don't know about the bell subscriber profile in that POP |
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| 10:29.49 | xingu | MangosDebian: if the packet is turning up ${interval} ~= session lifetime, we go from there to a possible failure mode |
| 10:30.20 | MangosDebian | xingu: and the funny thing? this isnt the only IP i was getting hit by. it started when I caught random 192.168 ip's that I dont even have in use showing up in my logs. the 10.10 ip was what got me more curious |
| 10:31.02 | MangosDebian | although i havent noticed and other ips other than 10.x yet. ill have to dig into the logs real quick |
| 10:31.14 | yos873 | themill: mencoder not help for the VCD |
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| 10:31.31 | MangosDebian | xingu: no, just the one 10.x so far since i switch to linux as router |
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| 10:31.45 | bliss | hi |
| 10:31.46 | xingu | MangosDebian: ie, if ppp concentrator session to the "real" endpoint of that flow goes dark periodically (predictable period), then the switch just north (to-core) of it will go from forwarding to flooding for that flow after the associated cam entry (for the destination ethernet bridging mac) expires |
| 10:32.04 | MangosDebian | xingu: whats odd, the 192.168 ip's were to 5900 (vnc). and the 10's are to slammer |
| 10:32.08 | MangosDebian | err msql |
| 10:32.34 | MangosDebian | xingu: wth is a cam entry? |
| 10:32.49 | MangosDebian | i assume this all dslam lingo? |
| 10:32.50 | xingu | MangosDebian: inverse of arp cache; mac to port cache. |
| 10:32.55 | xingu | MangosDebian: no, ethernet lingo. :) |
| 10:32.57 | MangosDebian | ahh |
| 10:33.05 | MangosDebian | didnt know that had a name |
| 10:33.10 | xingu | MangosDebian: for such a "simple" technology, it's very, very poorly understood :) |
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| 10:33.33 | MangosDebian | well, i have a decent understanding, but clearly its not bulletproof far as acronyms go :) |
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| 10:34.19 | themill | yos873: hmmm.... perhaps transcode then.... |
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| 10:34.24 | bliss | ok i did as suggested installed etch basic core +xorg+fluxbox when i enter fluxbox on command line i get warning failed to open file /usr/share/fluxbox/nus/en.gb/fluxbox.cat error count't connect to XServer |
| 10:34.25 | xingu | MangosDebian: nb, don't feel too special; my own (home) /dlsam/ sends me (I assume, everybody) all the crap it doesn't have a specific atm pvc route for |
| 10:34.28 | MangosDebian | csmacd/ca,arp and how switches can be failed open/closed are about my limits |
| 10:34.41 | yos873 | themill: thank you verymuch, I'll check it out now |
| 10:34.49 | MangosDebian | xingu: atm, theres where im clueless :) |
| 10:34.58 | bliss | know as andyp before |
| 10:35.36 | xingu | MangosDebian: again it comes back to least cost engineering; per-packet inspection on the transit lan interconnecting the POP or, at the datalink layer leaving edge routers at the POP is expensive; so usually that layer leaks. |
| 10:35.45 | cahoot | bliss, you start x using what method? startx? |
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| 10:36.14 | xingu | MangosDebian: some technologies are more or less prone; the /real/ metroE switches (ie, longreach ethernet) don't leak; neither do docsis cable plant. |
| 10:36.17 | bliss | cahoot: oops no I did not just ran fluxbox |
| 10:36.22 | themill | yos873: http://www.transcoding.org/cgi-bin/transcode |
| 10:36.35 | MangosDebian | xingu: i was gonna say, ive never had this on cable before |
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| 10:37.00 | xingu | MangosDebian: that's because docsis has no segment; just point-to-point reserved bandwidth between you and the headend. |
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| 10:37.16 | xingu | MangosDebian: problem starts where the topology between subscriber and headend is point to multipoint. |
| 10:37.27 | bliss | cahoot: i am in a live cd at the moment |
| 10:37.45 | MangosDebian | xingu: if you ask me, it just seems like someone let slip a firewall rule or two :) |
| 10:38.05 | xingu | MangosDebian: :) nothing to do with firewall, everything to do with layer2 (ptp vs ptmp) |
| 10:38.06 | MangosDebian | xingu: almost seems like pppoe behind the scenes isnt much diff than ipsec tunnel mode |
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| 10:38.43 | xingu | MangosDebian: pppoe is just a neat way to introduce the concept of a "session" across a bridged datalink. |
| 10:38.55 | xingu | MangosDebian: it's required because few endpoints support 802.1x. |
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| 10:39.00 | cahoot | bliss, If you don't use gdm - try startx from commandline once booted |
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| 10:39.31 | bliss | cahoot: ok i will as orinary user? |
| 10:39.35 | MangosDebian | xingu: i suppose they need the session for authentication? |
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| 10:39.39 | bliss | ordinary |
| 10:39.43 | cahoot | yes |
| 10:39.47 | xingu | MangosDebian: more particularly, accounting |
| 10:40.00 | bliss | ok se you later cannot do it from live cd |
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| 10:40.11 | MangosDebian | xingu: heh, ya ive noticed they seem very good at billing you down to the bit |
| 10:40.23 | yos873 | themill: this also not work, they talk nothing about VCD |
| 10:40.25 | gonzaloaf | hi, why does the ALT+some number combination used in MS Windows doesnt work in Linux to get the ascii codes of characters? |
| 10:40.30 | xingu | MangosDebian: what about the bits that aren't even addressed to you? (hint, here's your in with abuse@) |
| 10:41.57 | MangosDebian | xingu: heh, no doubt. of course you cant do much to prove anything. even if you packet log your entire time at an isp, your logs cant be used as anything beyond a rough estimate |
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| 10:43.23 | MangosDebian | xingu: and believe me, ive considered full logs of at least the headers to make use of all this space i got kickin around. my only concern is the overflows in tcpdump. but my understanding is the disectors don't apply until you display to stdout |
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| 10:43.35 | xingu | MangosDebian: choir, preaching to; the only way to analyse flow data is treat it as an input to statistical sampling; if you want robust octet counts, you better be willing to reimplement x.25 |
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| 10:44.17 | MangosDebian | x.25 that sounds familiar. that was switched network? |
| 10:44.36 | xingu | MangosDebian: yep; store and forward hop by hop though |
| 10:44.56 | xingu | MangosDebian: needless to say, implementing that at >2Gbps is expensive too. |
| 10:45.52 | MangosDebian | i think anything on this scale is expensive no? |
| 10:46.04 | gonzaloaf | hi, what is exactly a" terminal" and what is exactly a "console" ? |
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| 10:47.35 | xingu | MangosDebian: not really; store and forward and high clockrates means deep and massively fast buffers; if you look at "modern" core fabric design it's all about nonblocking fabric |
| 10:47.52 | petemc | gonzaloaf: google has a nice feature google for "define: console" |
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| 10:48.10 | petemc | hmm, need a bit of punctuation there.. |
| 10:48.33 | MangosDebian | xingu: core fabric? as in switching fabric? |
| 10:48.36 | xingu | MangosDebian: the bandwidth delay product of a 2Gbps core means you get to store a lot of data for a whole bunch of time to allow for retrans in the event of failure on a given segment along the path |
| 10:48.54 | xingu | MangosDebian: it's cheaper to do that once, at the endpoint, than everywhere (ie, line card level on each segment) |
| 10:49.12 | xingu | MangosDebian: yep; the cloud in that IP-over-magic diagramme. |
| 10:49.38 | MangosDebian | xingu: so the restrans is done by the switches in that case to avoid doing it at the ip level? |
| 10:49.54 | xingu | MangosDebian: in x.25, yes; store-and-forward, hop by hop. |
| 10:50.20 | xingu | MangosDebian: however you *do* get precise octet counts... :) |
| 10:50.45 | gonzaloaf | petemc, My doubt is based in that sometimes when people helps me tells me "open a terminal" or "open a console" and I dont know what they are meaning, i.e. when I press ctrl+alt+f1 what do I got? a terminal o console? |
| 10:50.55 | MangosDebian | xingu: surprised they just dont trust the dsl modems to do the byte counts |
| 10:51.11 | MangosDebian | xingu: not that an electrical engy couldnt fix that though :) |
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| 10:52.06 | petemc | gonzaloaf: they're kind of interchangeable, tho you would generally have people refering to opening a xterm or gnome terminal in X as a terminal window, and ctl alt f1 as console |
| 10:52.37 | xingu | MangosDebian: they're imprecise too; they can't discriminate data plane from control plane at the network layer; so if unwanted datalink traffic recieved, or, vanishes in the to-provider direction at some hop along the path, you get error. |
| 10:53.19 | gonzaloaf | petemc, thanks |
| 10:53.46 | MangosDebian | xingu: true, i suppose it really depends what you consider billable though. packet should at least make it to the isp permiter (right term?) |
| 10:54.24 | xingu | MangosDebian: but where's that? a wholesale leasee's perimeter is wherever their DSLAM is - and the atm core might be discarding cells bound for it |
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| 10:54.43 | xingu | MangosDebian: on a per-pvc basis, you can't really discriminate who's they are |
| 10:55.24 | MangosDebian | xingu: bah, glad im not in the isp business heh. almost as bad as trying to calculate bandwidth for http vhosts |
| 10:55.30 | xingu | MangosDebian: "edge" is what the cisco coolaid drinkers use |
| 10:55.36 | xingu | MangosDebian: :) |
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| 10:55.57 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 10:56.05 | xingu | MangosDebian: statistical sampling is useful science but it's never accurate; so bound the error and move on. |
| 10:56.18 | MangosDebian | aye |
| 10:56.57 | xingu | MangosDebian: and lets pretend that things like STP don't exist and that you're not getting billed for them ;) |
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| 10:58.39 | MangosDebian | xingu: i better not be getting anything beyond standard tcp/ip to my ppp :) |
| 10:58.42 | xingu | MangosDebian: nb even at the per device level this is an issue; octets recieved by the line card may not get a slot on the crossbar in time and may get discarded as a result. |
| 10:58.44 | gonzaloaf | hi, how do I disable the root connection via ssh? |
| 10:59.02 | petemc | gonzaloaf: theres a permitrootlogin option |
| 10:59.03 | MangosDebian | xingu: crossbar? |
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| 10:59.14 | xingu | MangosDebian: so you wind up with input counts not agreeing with fabric flow counts not agreeing with output counts |
| 11:00.14 | xingu | MangosDebian: a switch is not an antenna; the packet coming in is transformed into a cell, the dest datalink address is looked up in the forwarding engine, it asks the fabric controller for a slot on the fabric, then it punts the frame. |
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| 11:00.45 | xingu | MangosDebian: all of those operations are time constrained; some parts of the fabric buffer/retry, some don't. |
| 11:01.05 | gonzaloaf | petemc, what file do I have to edit? |
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| 11:01.32 | petemc | gonzaloaf: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 11:01.52 | xingu | MangosDebian: it's like trying to pick up a fistful of mercury; it looks easy enough at first... :) |
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| 11:04.49 | MangosDebian | :) sec, gonna try abuse@ and security@. $5 says neither one work though |
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| 11:05.17 | themill | MangosDebian: when you finally get hold of someone, you can point them at the rfc's that say they are supposed to work... |
| 11:05.38 | xingu | MangosDebian: that's a bet I won't take; your best hope is that there's enough complaints to warrant escalation |
| 11:05.52 | MangosDebian | themill: lol, i doubt that will help. generally with bell you get a tech that can only go by whats on the screen |
| 11:05.58 | xingu | MangosDebian: that's why your complaint to abuse@ is so important; if you don't add your weight, nothing changes. |
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| 11:06.29 | xingu | MangosDebian: they won't investigate /your/ complaint though; they'll eventually open up a master ticket for /all/ complaints. |
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| 11:06.47 | ruben | Hello, I want to migrate a physycal machine to a vmware virtual machine, what is the best/ or what is the way to copy all files from physycal machine to a virtual machine? |
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| 11:08.01 | xingu | ruben: interesting question; is it possible to mount the virtual machine's disk image using a loopback mount? |
| 11:08.38 | ruben | xingu: not sure ;P, but is a good idea |
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| 11:12.30 | themill | ruben: qemu has utilities for converting between different disk formats for virtual machines which might help you in this |
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| 11:13.31 | ruben | themill: so it's possibe to use dd image to convert to a vmware images? |
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| 11:15.01 | themill | ruben: ummm.... that I'm not sure about. I was thinking more that you could mount an image on loop and then convert to vmware format if needed. |
| 11:15.07 | ruben | themill: Do you know the name please? :) |
| 11:15.43 | themill | ruben: the command is qemu-img in the package qemu |
| 11:15.46 | MoDaX | ruben: qemu-img -f rawformat is dd I think |
| 11:16.06 | themill | MoDaX: nice... another one to file away for a rainy day |
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| 11:19.51 | netcrash | Hello , how can I make the linux screen don't go to blank screen (don't do energy saving) , I want to plug the monitor and have the screen output without pressing a key |
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| 11:20.35 | themill | !screen blanking |
| 11:20.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, screen blanking is you can control screen blanking in console via setterm -blank (and/or your BIOS powersave settings), and in X via "xset -dpms", xscreensaver, or your desktop environment's screensaver controls. |
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| 11:29.19 | _ubuntu | cahoot: thanks for the suggestion to run staartx that worked please forgive thenick |
| 11:29.19 | netcrash | themill: thanks |
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| 11:29.42 | _ubuntu | startx |
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| 11:30.46 | _ubuntu | have been know as andyp |
| 11:30.54 | guru3 | how can i get apt-get to reinstall the /etc/ files for the package when i install it? |
| 11:31.04 | xand | _ubuntu: did you join the wrong channel? :P |
| 11:31.35 | _ubuntu | xand: no |
| 11:31.54 | stream | i did the upgrade |
| 11:31.57 | stream | now my imapd is broken |
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| 11:32.02 | _ubuntu | just that i am on a live cd and he default nick was ubuntu |
| 11:32.04 | Ronin | intersting nick then to be running debian :) |
| 11:32.07 | Ronin | ahh |
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| 11:33.31 | stream | hmm |
| 11:33.36 | stream | imapd is working, but horde/imp isnt |
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| 11:34.48 | _ubuntu | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:34.52 | MangosDebian | xingu: hmm, so far no bounces to both addresses :) |
| 11:35.02 | xand | abuse@ should never boune |
| 11:35.03 | xand | +c |
| 11:35.13 | MangosDebian | xingu: and whats worse, I attached the slammer and hotmail accepted it |
| 11:35.25 | MangosDebian | xand: it shouldn't....but who knows :) |
| 11:36.08 | _ubuntu | MangosDebian: thanks for your help with LUKS and lvm last friday |
| 11:36.09 | guru3 | does anyone have any clue? i really need the original /etc/ files for this package, --reinstall and dpkh-reconfigure don't replace them |
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| 11:36.34 | themill | MangosDebian: hotmail accepts mail but doesn't deliver it... |
| 11:36.34 | MangosDebian | _ubuntu: i helped you? don't recall the nick. oh well, np :) |
| 11:36.57 | _ubuntu | MangosDebian: think it was andyp |
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| 11:36.59 | themill | MangosDebian: http://hubpages.com/hub/Hotmail_Fails_To_Deliver_Up_To_81_Of_All_Attachment_Emails |
| 11:37.06 | hark | _ubuntu: it's just a transitional package (for sarge upgrades) |
| 11:37.07 | MangosDebian | themill: heh, well they better deliver this. sympatico uses MSN premium. |
| 11:37.33 | stream | hmm |
| 11:37.40 | stream | it seems as though nothing on my system is getting logged |
| 11:37.43 | stream | if i start bind |
| 11:37.47 | stream | it wont log to anything in /var/log |
| 11:37.48 | MangosDebian | _ubuntu: ahh, i know that nick. i assume that you were just using the wrong lvm dev or something? |
| 11:37.49 | _ubuntu | hark: what is the transitional package |
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| 11:38.12 | MangosDebian | themill: i think i read that off dig other week actually |
| 11:38.17 | _ubuntu | MangosDebian: did a re-install its ok now |
| 11:38.22 | hark | _ubuntu: the x-window-* packages |
| 11:38.28 | themill | MangosDebian: yeah, it's been around the block a few times recently |
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| 11:38.54 | _ubuntu | hark: so xorg and x-windows are more or less the same |
| 11:38.54 | MangosDebian | _ubuntu: thats usually the easiest. but from i can recall, you already had everything mounted. was just a matter of finding which lv had your data. thus the vgdisplay -v |
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| 11:39.10 | MangosDebian | themill: heh ya, ive noticed that with digg |
| 11:39.10 | hark | _ubuntu: apt-cache depends packagename ; apt-cache show packagename |
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| 11:40.50 | _ubuntu | MangosDebian: yes but also I was runing lenny which was not a good idea , not just now anyway |
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| 11:41.30 | MangosDebian | _ubuntu: well, can't say anything about lenny since I dont use it, but I dont know if that had anything to do with it. oh well, least your up and running now |
| 11:41.55 | _ubuntu | MangosDebian: yep |
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| 11:42.57 | _ubuntu | hark: just a simple version but I think i know what you mean |
| 11:43.21 | _ubuntu | hark: ok i see what you mean |
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| 11:44.01 | _ubuntu | hark: what if its a tar ball like vmware? |
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| 11:46.22 | _ubuntu | kark: vmware needs these apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` libx11-6 libx11-dev x-window-system-core x-window-system xspecs libxtst6 psmisc build-essential so would xorg cover the windows packages? |
| 11:46.35 | erore | I am planning a new file server in our domain, which is active directory based (windows server 2003). I am also considering linux implementation, the question is, will a linux distribution with ACL be able to seemlessly integrate into windows server domain (verify access against the domain controller)? |
| 11:46.52 | xand | erore: yes |
| 11:47.07 | xand | erore: however ACLs and samba may not be 100% working |
| 11:47.10 | themill | erore: samba can be a pdc or bdc |
| 11:47.35 | xand | themill: pdc/bdc aren't relevant to AD, but samba can be a domain member |
| 11:47.37 | hark | _ubuntu: aptitude install build-essential xorg linux-heades-`uname -r` |
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| 11:47.55 | _ubuntu | hark: thanks |
| 11:47.59 | erore | xand: what do you mean by ACLs and samba may not be 100% working? |
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| 11:48.15 | themill | xand: ahh yes..... misread that bit. |
| 11:48.28 | xand | erore: we have samba servers here, and the acls don't work properly... you can view them but not modify via samba/windows |
| 11:49.39 | erore | xand: mmm that is not particulary good, anyway thanks for the info... |
| 11:49.59 | xand | erore: it may be better in latest samba, ask #samba :) |
| 11:50.08 | xand | erore: also we're using ufs on solaris, not ext3 on linux |
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| 11:59.22 | Oyama | stupid question, let's say in inittab i have 'sysinit' to '/etc/rcS' and 'initdefault' to runlevel 2, what does init do at boot? /etc/rcS than goes directly to runlevel 2, or /etc/rcS than runlevel 1 than runlevel 2, or ... ? |
| 12:00.21 | MangosDebian | xingu: hey, whats the default ttl on various systems? powers of 2 or so? or 64, 127, 255? cause the packet in question had a ttl of 109. assuming that wasnt faked, boy did that come through alot of networks |
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| 12:01.26 | themill | !tell 0yama about runlevels |
| 12:01.26 | _ubuntu | hi |
| 12:01.44 | themill | !tell Oyama about runlevels |
| 12:01.52 | themill | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 12:01.52 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
| 12:02.14 | filleoku1 | hi |
| 12:02.26 | _ubuntu | when i do netstat - a what does this line indicate tcp 0 1 80-195-177-125.ca:39265 69-12-128-32.dsl.s:9030 SYN_SENT |
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| 12:04.15 | MangosDebian | _ubuntu: the 69-12... ip isnt responding |
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| 12:05.24 | MangosDebian | i dont know the timeout off hand, but it will go away shortly |
| 12:05.48 | liable_ | 2 mins iirc |
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| 12:08.13 | cast | i have a file called * in ~/ |
| 12:08.33 | liable_ | whats in it? |
| 12:08.34 | MangosDebian | heh, don't mess up escaping that rm ;) |
| 12:09.20 | cast | was empty, an issue with s3cmd |
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| 12:11.49 | stream | if my root filesys is ext2, is there an easy way to change it to ext3? |
| 12:11.51 | themill | MangosDebian: create a file called -rf ... |
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| 12:12.19 | liable | stream: man tune2fs |
| 12:12.38 | liable | yes, its easy |
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| 12:13.04 | MangosDebian | themill: :) |
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| 12:13.44 | MangosDebian | themill: i would definetly be careful to verify that command hehe (and -i of course) |
| 12:14.16 | MangosDebian | themill: actually "-rf *" would be a better filename :) |
| 12:14.39 | stream | if i had a old custom kernel 2.6.7 that i built and now upgraded to etch, how can i use the builtin pkg kernel? |
| 12:14.40 | _ubuntu | ave noticed terminal asking for a root password in a live CD ? what is -rw-r--r-- 1 ubuntu ubuntu 71 2007-08-09 11:13 .DCOPserver_x1-6-00-0f-b0-5 |
| 12:14.40 | p0g0 | stream: be sure if you set the root to a new filesystem, that your fstab etc won't balk (i.e.: fix all the ext2 to ext3 if they exist) |
| 12:15.32 | MangosDebian | _ubuntu: are you actually asking ubuntu questions in #debian? or did i somehow stumble into #ubuntu? |
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| 12:15.37 | liable | p0g0: it shouldnt matter though. you can mount an ext3 as ext2 |
| 12:15.45 | stream | how do i convert / to ext3 if im booted ? |
| 12:15.52 | MangosDebian | _ubuntu: or is that just your user name :) |
| 12:15.52 | p0g0 | but lose the journal, iirc |
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| 12:15.57 | liable | ya |
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| 12:16.09 | liable | it just doesnt read the journal |
| 12:16.21 | _ubuntu | MangosDebian: ok my fault I just never been asked for a password in a lve cd before |
| 12:16.51 | MangosDebian | liable: thats what i thought, but i recall havin issues doing that before. swore I had to actually remove the journal with tune2fs first prior to mount |
| 12:17.38 | MangosDebian | _ubuntu: actually, knoppix did it too, but i recall it was just setup so you had to su - instead or something to avoid you hurting yourself or something. perhaps same here? |
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| 12:17.44 | stream | do i have to do this mkinitrd? |
| 12:17.59 | liable | eh? |
| 12:17.59 | stream | if / and /boot are seperate? |
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| 12:18.05 | p0g0 | stream: no |
| 12:18.26 | _ubuntu | MangosDebian: i did use su - but it asks for a password when one was never set |
| 12:18.35 | liable | just hit enter |
| 12:18.42 | MangosDebian | ^^^ |
| 12:19.12 | liable | i am sure they have it in the help there somewhere |
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| 12:21.24 | stream | is it ok to convert /boot to ext3 also/ |
| 12:21.25 | stream | ? |
| 12:21.44 | cahoot | pointless |
| 12:21.48 | apk | If I use grub and have a separate /boot partition, is there any reason to have 'notail' on my reiserfs / partition? |
| 12:21.49 | stream | ok |
| 12:21.57 | stream | this was a very old system |
| 12:22.10 | stream | i had problems with partitions being corrupt with ext2 |
| 12:22.19 | cahoot | stream, no point using a journla fs on /boot just wasteful |
| 12:22.26 | stream | ok |
| 12:22.29 | cast | apk: stops tail packing, said to reduce fragmentation |
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| 12:23.44 | apk | cast: 'man mount' says that file tails confuse some utilities such as LILO. I don't write to / much anyway, so it should be save to allow file tails, right? |
| 12:24.03 | apk | s/save/safe |
| 12:24.15 | diafic | How do I reattach to a screen? |
| 12:24.24 | apk | diafic: screen -r |
| 12:24.26 | cast | apk: i'm quite sure its safe, i've used reiserfs without tail packing for a long time |
| 12:24.40 | diafic | excellent! |
| 12:25.07 | apk | diafic: 'screen -x' lets you attach an attached screen without detaching too. |
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| 12:25.25 | xand | and screen -dr if you forgot to detach somewhere else |
| 12:25.26 | apk | diafic: The screen manual explains all sorts of neat tricks. |
| 12:25.38 | diafic | yeah, the man is pretty thick |
| 12:25.43 | diafic | I knew what I wanted and I asked |
| 12:25.48 | diafic | which was nice :) |
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| 12:26.18 | apk | diafic: Too bad man pages don't have a "here is what you need to get up and running" section right at the top, and then list the 2000 options afterwards. |
| 12:26.30 | diafic | That'd rock if it did |
| 12:26.34 | alex_ | apk, hahah yeah |
| 12:26.41 | diafic | like a Quickstart section |
| 12:26.43 | stream | how do i update my kernel for 4.0? |
| 12:27.00 | alex_ | that could be a new man project |
| 12:27.02 | alex_ | call it |
| 12:27.05 | alex_ | qs : |
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| 12:27.19 | diafic | make-it-fucking-not-suck-to-be-told-to-RTFM |
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| 12:27.38 | diafic | or mifnstbttRTFM |
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| 12:27.42 | apk | alex_: The problem is that the only people who know what to put at the top are the ones who have already read the man pages, so they won't want to do it. |
| 12:27.48 | alex_ | or just RTFM <package> |
| 12:27.52 | apk | alex_: I guess everybody could adopt one man page. |
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| 12:28.33 | apk | I'll take man cowsay |
| 12:28.42 | stream | cant i just apt-get install kernel? |
| 12:28.50 | liable | yes |
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| 12:29.03 | stream | what are the transition packages? |
| 12:29.11 | apk | stream: Just make sure you mount -o rw /boot first. |
| 12:29.27 | liable | stream: if you are upgrading from sarge to etch, i highly recommend you read the release notes |
| 12:29.28 | apk | Last I knew, dpkg didn't check to see if you had /boot mounted before installing a new kernel. |
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| 12:29.59 | alex_ | liable, stream, very highly recommended |
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| 12:30.29 | stream | the upgrade is already done |
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| 12:30.33 | themill | diafic: the best man pages have extensive "examples" sections... |
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| 12:31.17 | stream | whats diff between kernel-image-2.6-686 and linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 12:31.17 | diafic | yes, indeed |
| 12:31.28 | diafic | a quickstart that doesn't suck has lots of examples of basic, yet nifty things |
| 12:31.53 | scorn | Just started running 2.6.21-2-k7, with an sis5513 drive controller, and I can't seem to enable DMA on any of my drives. I've got the sis5513 module loaded. Any one know anything I can try? |
| 12:32.14 | scorn | 2.6.15 DMA works great |
| 12:32.35 | liable | stream: same thing, you want linux-image now |
| 12:32.50 | liable | they just change the name because we have other kernels now |
| 12:32.55 | stew | stream: the kernels are called linux-image now that there are non-linux kernels available, kernel-image-2.6-686 is a dummy package depending on linux-image-2.6-686 that is just there to easy the transition |
| 12:33.40 | stream | should i just keep my stock 2.6.7 kernel? |
| 12:33.51 | liable | no |
| 12:34.00 | liable | you wont get security updates for it |
| 12:34.04 | stream | im still using lilo |
| 12:34.04 | stew | stream: you should keep your 2.6.7 kernel, but you should also install a kernel from etch |
| 12:34.30 | stew | just as you should have installed a kernel from sarge |
| 12:34.39 | liable | i doubt it would boot if he has udev |
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| 12:34.52 | stew | liable: yes it would |
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| 12:35.26 | test | anyway i can capture the password entered when adding a new user ? |
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| 12:35.34 | stream | well ill try it |
| 12:35.42 | stream | so ill just keep lilo for now |
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| 12:35.46 | snowbird | i need monitor to watch my net activity |
| 12:35.48 | test | i want to use a script that will take the password and insert it to other files |
| 12:35.54 | graytron | does one actually need a debian kernel to boot etch? |
| 12:36.05 | Shadur | test: Bad idea. Very bad idea. |
| 12:36.08 | jusae | does apt-mirror include the source files? |
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| 12:37.03 | stew | test: what are you trying to do? what other files? |
| 12:37.04 | alex_ | test, write it down? |
| 12:37.24 | MangosDebian | stew: his other "keylogger" files of course ;) |
| 12:37.41 | test | i want to insert the username and password to a config file of a messenger program in his homedir when the user is created |
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| 12:38.06 | stream | heh.. rebooting w/ new kernel now |
| 12:38.07 | alex_ | tets: thats not very secure |
| 12:38.14 | alex_ | test* |
| 12:38.16 | test | alex_, i know , but i still want it |
| 12:38.16 | jusae | yeah, in compressed format |
| 12:38.25 | stew | test: that's a horrible idea for lots of reasons. have them use a differnt password for their messenger program |
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| 12:38.55 | stream | it worked |
| 12:38.55 | stream | amazing |
| 12:38.55 | stream | Linux WJHSD.net 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP |
| 12:39.01 | test | stew, hmm , i cant right now |
| 12:39.27 | jusae | does anyone know of a package that displays images from the commandline? |
| 12:39.37 | graytron | feh |
| 12:39.38 | Shadur | jusae: imagemagick |
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| 12:39.39 | stew | jusae: 'display' from imagemagick |
| 12:39.54 | Shadur | test: Wrong answer. You can and you should. |
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| 12:40.25 | test | ! |
| 12:40.29 | alex_ | lol |
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| 12:40.49 | cast | jusae: fbi, if you mean 'without x' |
| 12:40.50 | test | Shadur, i cant have the users remember 12939 different passwords , i want them to use the same password for all services |
| 12:41.18 | alex_ | test, you have 12939 services? |
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| 12:41.20 | alex_ | thats a bit extreme |
| 12:41.50 | Shadur | test: Then you're an idiot. |
| 12:41.53 | test | ok |
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| 12:41.55 | test | lol |
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| 12:42.02 | jusae | yeah, without x |
| 12:42.02 | stew | Shadur: you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 12:42.13 | jusae | and has souce |
| 12:42.19 | jusae | *source |
| 12:42.39 | test | i was thinking of kerberos , thing is not all clients support kerberos |
| 12:42.53 | stew | test: then look into setting up something more secure than just a password in a text file. look into some kind of centralized system like kerberos or nis or something |
| 12:42.55 | xingu | beertime |
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| 12:43.22 | test | stew, but you still need to enter a valid username and password in the messenger client |
| 12:43.27 | test | hmm |
| 12:43.37 | test | like gajim |
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| 12:43.48 | test | gajim stores user name and password in user's homedir |
| 12:43.57 | test | you suggest i use a differetn password ? |
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| 12:45.55 | xingu | test: your actual goal seems to be - to result in fewer sets of credentials; how will embedding authorisation tokens into application configs achieve this? |
| 12:46.00 | stew | test: if the messenger client was talking to the same kerberos, it could be the same password |
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| 12:46.18 | jusae | whats the standard out support for raster data? |
| 12:46.19 | stew | test: and i thought that one of the goals of kerberos was that you wouldn't necessarily have to login again |
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| 12:46.29 | jusae | header files and stuff |
| 12:46.32 | xingu | test: why not just ldap enable your IM platform? |
| 12:47.24 | xingu | test: it's reasonable to expect a user to /remember/ their primary authorization token; in lieu of a kerberized IM client, asking them to enter it on demand isn't a big ask. |
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| 12:52.50 | XtypeWriter74 | hello. is there a possiblity to display images when i have stopped my gdm ? |
| 12:53.43 | xingu | XtypeWriter74: zgv? |
| 12:54.05 | XtypeWriter74 | i'll take a look at it , thanx ;) |
| 12:56.55 | giz_bmz | hello everybody |
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| 12:57.08 | giz_bmz | i'm using alsa for the sound system |
| 12:57.17 | cahoot | wise |
| 12:57.35 | giz_bmz | but if i use xmms for example, i can't use sound in the system messages or the bzflag game !! |
| 12:57.40 | giz_bmz | what is the problem ? |
| 12:57.56 | giz_bmz | why the first use of the sound blocks the other uses ?? |
| 12:58.12 | giz_bmz | cahoot : ;) |
| 12:58.22 | cahoot | the game uses oss emulation? i e /dev/dsp |
| 12:58.39 | giz_bmz | cahot : i don't know ! |
| 12:59.23 | cahoot | start the game and run fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* and see |
| 12:59.36 | giz_bmz | cahoot : ok |
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| 13:01.25 | XtypeWriter74 | xingu, thats a great tool!! thanx |
| 13:01.47 | cahoot | giz_bmz, since I never played any game on linux I point you to this url for further troubleshooting:http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO+Sound&back=HOWTO+INDEX+Hardware |
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| 13:02.15 | Internat | stupid question "useradd --gid 1001 --home /home/hosting/1 hostingu1" shouldnt that create the home directory for that user? |
| 13:02.25 | giz_bmz | cahoot : the problem is not related to the game |
| 13:02.39 | giz_bmz | cahoot : even the system sounds are disabled if i use the xmms |
| 13:02.53 | cahoot | xmms set to use alsa output? |
| 13:03.00 | giz_bmz | cahoot : when i reboot, the system sound is enabled but the xmms doesn't work |
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| 13:04.12 | giz_bmz | no |
| 13:04.19 | Internat | nm ignore me.. i needed a -m option |
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| 13:05.43 | giz_bmz | even i set the xmms to use the alsa output plugin, it doesn't work !! |
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| 13:06.56 | cahoot | you mean system sounds? |
| 13:07.21 | giz_bmz | i just have rebooted : the system soounds works but xmms not !! |
| 13:07.41 | JackStorm_0001 | hey what is the easyist way to replace the kernel on a etch netinst cd? |
| 13:07.55 | cahoot | giz_bmz, run fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* and see |
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| 13:08.44 | giz_bmz | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.45 | giz_bmz | /dev/snd/controlC0: haier 9034 F.... mixer_applet2 |
| 13:08.45 | giz_bmz | /dev/dsp: haier 8950 F.... esd |
| 13:09.29 | cahoot | giz_bmz, so esd is intervening - see if setting xmms to output to esd does what you want |
| 13:09.59 | themill | !tell giz_bmz about esd |
| 13:10.04 | giz_bmz | cahoot : yes |
| 13:10.08 | giz_bmz | cahoot : thanks |
| 13:10.21 | cahoot | don't thank in advance |
| 13:10.51 | test | how does adduser program know how to take the password entered and use it to add to samba |
| 13:10.59 | test | adduser perl script |
| 13:11.05 | giz_bmz | but what about other programs, games ? |
| 13:11.40 | themill | !tell JackStorm_0001 about custom netinst |
| 13:11.59 | cahoot | giz_bmz, since I never played any game on linux I point you to this url for further troubleshooting:http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO+Sound&back=HOWTO+INDEX+Hardware |
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| 13:12.27 | x3on | is there no netinst iso available for Lenny using the etch installer? |
| 13:12.42 | cahoot | giz_bmz, I leave you to it now - out for a tour in a thunderstorm |
| 13:12.45 | x3on | rather than the daily build that is |
| 13:13.08 | themill | x3on: it wouldn't be lenny if it were the etch installer, would it? |
| 13:13.19 | giz_bmz | cahoot : ok thanks, have fun !!! |
| 13:13.30 | x3on | "Or install the current weekly snapshot of Debian testing which uses the same version of the installer as the last release:" |
| 13:13.35 | Pask | im not in the sudoers list, how i can add me? |
| 13:13.49 | themill | Pask: as root, visudo |
| 13:13.57 | Pask | ok |
| 13:14.53 | themill | x3on: don't think that's possible. You could try rolling your own if you want. /msg dpkg custom netinst |
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| 13:15.20 | JackEStorm | themill: thanks :) |
| 13:15.34 | Pask | the-me: visudo and?? |
| 13:16.10 | themill | x3on: you could just etch netinst and then etch->lenny before anything gets downloaded... same effect |
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| 13:16.50 | x3on | im just curious themill - I am looking to download the testing netinst - but the page tells me this directory has "a current weekly snapshot of Debian testing which uses the same version of the installer as the last release" |
| 13:17.11 | x3on | but theres no netinst there - you can only use a netinst of a daily build |
| 13:17.12 | themill | x3on: ahh.... hmmm.... hang on |
| 13:17.16 | Pask | the-me: visudo, and ? |
| 13:17.24 | x3on | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 13:18.02 | x3on | Pask: username root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 13:18.09 | x3on | Pask: username ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 13:18.24 | x3on | add that to the file |
| 13:18.29 | Pask | ok |
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| 13:19.43 | Pask | x3on: tnx |
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| 13:19.47 | themill | x3on: that page also recommends just using the etch netinst and then upgrading |
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| 13:23.05 | enouf | yos: are you yos873 too? if do try 'tovid' perhaps ( http://tovid.wikia.com/wiki/Using_the_tovid_GUI ) |
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| 13:23.59 | solemnwarning | Does perl support do {} while loops like in C? |
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| 13:25.33 | themill | enouf: it was actually the opposite process of vcd => mpg/avi was desired. |
| 13:25.37 | themill | solemnwarning: yes |
| 13:25.44 | solemnwarning | ok |
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| 13:25.54 | themill | solemnwarning: both with an until and a while syntax |
| 13:26.41 | themill | solemnwarning: perlsyn (man, perldoc, google) |
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| 13:26.51 | enouf | themill: hrm, tovid doesn't do both ways? |
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| 13:27.54 | themill | enouf: not that I can see from their web pages... but I've never used it |
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| 13:28.10 | AKX | Hey, how would I go about doing a byte-to-byte copy of a hard disk? dd if=/dev/this of=/dev/that, but anything else? |
| 13:28.40 | xingu | AKX: probably bs=81920 |
| 13:28.50 | AKX | What does that mean? |
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| 13:29.07 | xingu | AKX: the fine manual page suggests that bs is blocksize. |
| 13:29.09 | enouf | themill: me neither (shrugs) |
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| 13:29.23 | stew | AKX: if you don't specify a blocksize it uses 512 which is very small, and you'd probably just as well use "cp /dev/this /dev/that" |
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| 13:29.28 | alex_ | AKX, rync? |
| 13:29.52 | themill | alex_: byte-to-byte? |
| 13:30.08 | AKX | Okay, so dd if=/dev/oldhd of=/dev/newhd bs=81920 |
| 13:30.11 | AKX | Will it fail horribly? :P |
| 13:30.22 | alex_ | rsync |
| 13:30.34 | themill | AKX: if they're the same size, make and model then it will work.... |
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| 13:30.44 | AKX | And if not, themill? |
| 13:30.50 | utopia_ | what value does 'cp' return on success? |
| 13:30.52 | utopia_ | 0? |
| 13:30.54 | alex_ | 1 |
| 13:31.03 | Xoris | ... i'd hope zero |
| 13:31.06 | themill | AKX: I think the word undefined is what you're looking for... |
| 13:31.17 | AKX | Okay. :D |
| 13:31.29 | x3on | woops sorry themill was afk |
| 13:31.33 | x3on | yeah, cool |
| 13:31.47 | stew | it should work as long as the target is the same size or bigger |
| 13:31.49 | x3on | I might just try the daily netinst, it should be fine i suppose |
| 13:32.02 | utopia_ | so, something like .. print 'success' if(not `cp something somewhere`); would be true if cp was successful? |
| 13:32.12 | themill | AKX: if you just want to copy the data to a new drive then rsync would be a better choice |
| 13:32.14 | x3on | my laptop is 3-4 yrs old |
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| 13:32.31 | AKX | themill, I'd need it to be an exact copy of the data. |
| 13:32.34 | stew | utopia_: cp something somewhere && echo success |
| 13:32.50 | alex_ | AKX, do you think rsync puts in a few extra bytes here and there? |
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| 13:33.11 | AKX | alex_, yeah, of course. What's the fun in software if it doesn't do that? ;P |
| 13:33.13 | themill | AKX: the data will be all there, but it might be in a different order on disk. Probably a better order. |
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| 13:33.26 | stew | utopia_: or cp something somewhere ; if [ $? ]; then echo success ; else echo failure ; fi |
| 13:33.37 | utopia_ | stew, kewl thanks |
| 13:33.40 | AKX | Alright, well, I'd need to also be able to boot from the new hard drive right away? |
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| 13:34.14 | stew | AKX: why are you doing the copy? is the source drive having problems? |
| 13:34.20 | AKX | Yes. |
| 13:34.25 | ghatak | Hi, i am setting up rsync between servers, I am using ssh with rsa keys to do automatic authenitcation. is there a better way of doing it ? i am bit worried about security |
| 13:34.38 | alex_ | ghatak, its safe enough |
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| 13:34.44 | mick_work | how can i list what apache2 modules are loaded? a2enmod loads them, and a2dismod disables them.... how can i list? |
| 13:34.45 | stew | AKX: then use ddrescue instead of dd, which wont quit if you have errors on the source |
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| 13:34.59 | rob19 | i'm new to debian. i noticed after installing etch that it puts debconf.py in /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/ and python2.4/site-packages even though python isn't actually installed. is it supposed to do this? |
| 13:35.00 | alex_ | mick_work, man a2enmod |
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| 13:35.07 | mick_work | i did |
| 13:35.14 | alex_ | mick_work, --list flag |
| 13:35.15 | alex_ | ? |
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| 13:35.40 | snowbird | hey stew |
| 13:35.43 | mick_work | This manual page documents briefly the a2enmod and a2dismod commands. and it doesn't say much more |
| 13:35.45 | alex_ | rob19, yes youll need to install it by hand |
| 13:35.51 | xingu | ghatak: you'll get better performance out of native rsync client/server protocol over a vpn tunnel if you can be bothered setting it up. |
| 13:36.03 | stew | mick_work: just ls /etc/apache2/mods_enabled |
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| 13:36.19 | mick_work | ah - thanks stew |
| 13:36.24 | themill | ghatak: you can restrict the key so that it only works from one IP address and only with rsync if you want |
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| 13:36.58 | snowbird | i would like to see hows on my net and pinging |
| 13:37.06 | stew | rob19: are you sure that none of python2.3 python2.4 python-minimal packages are installed? does "dpkg -l python\*" list any packages with "ii" in the first column? |
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| 13:39.37 | ghatak | themill: interesting, how do you mean, only wrok with rsync ? |
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| 13:40.11 | neozyan | can anyone help me to find the device file for the sound in debian lenny |
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| 13:40.21 | mick_work | stew: happen to know how i can see what version of a module it is? |
| 13:40.26 | themill | ghatak: only a remote rsync can actually use the key. e.g. http://pastebin.ca/651087 and http://pastebin.ca/651088 |
| 13:40.29 | stew | neozyan: ls /dev/dsp /dev/mixer /dev/snd/* |
| 13:40.37 | stew | mick_work: /sbin/modinfo modulename |
| 13:40.38 | neozyan | i am using 2.6.18.4 |
| 13:40.51 | mick_work | stew: awesome - thanks :) |
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| 13:41.24 | futex_ | hello |
| 13:41.36 | neozyan | file nopt found ls /dev/dsp |
| 13:41.36 | futex_ | i have a strange problem on my debian lenny |
| 13:41.43 | xingu | ghatak: again, you can get the benefit of this by configuring the vpn interface's packet filter to only pass rsync traffic and the rsync daemon to only listen on the vpn interface. |
| 13:41.53 | stew | neozyan: what about /dev/snd/* |
| 13:42.15 | neozyan | /dev/snd/controlC0 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p /dev/snd/seq |
| 13:42.16 | neozyan | /dev/snd/pcmC0D0c /dev/snd/pcmC0D1p /dev/snd/timer |
| 13:42.21 | neozyan | i am using alsa |
| 13:42.28 | themill | ghatak: ahh.... pasted the script with an error..... corrected version http://pastebin.ca/651091 |
| 13:42.36 | xingu | but hey, getting things right is hard, so lets go for ssh tunnelling, even though ssh is a crap transport. |
| 13:42.45 | neozyan | with hda |
| 13:42.50 | mick_work | odd: ls /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ shows "proxy_http.load" but /sbin/modinfo mod_proxy_http |
| 13:42.51 | mick_work | modinfo: could not find module mod_proxy_http (I also tried proxy_http instead) |
| 13:42.53 | ghatak | themill: sounds very good, thanks |
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| 13:43.07 | stew | neozyan: right, those are the sound devices. yes those are alsa. you should consider also loading the "snd-pcm-oss" which makes alsa expose oss compatibility which will create /dev/dsp which many apps will be expecting |
| 13:43.09 | themill | ghatak: it's not perfect but it helps a lot |
| 13:43.21 | ghatak | xingu: thanks, i will try that , sounds less complicated but solid |
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| 13:43.27 | themill | ghatak: you can also PermitRootLogin forced-commands-only |
| 13:43.27 | stew | mick_work: oh, i'm sorry, i was thinking of kernel modules, not apache modules |
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| 13:43.36 | futex_ | if i tape date command which root permittions i have the correct hour shift on 2 hour, or on user permition i have the UTC hour |
| 13:43.42 | neozyan | i am using vmware |
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| 13:43.53 | neozyan | it is asking for /dev/dsp |
| 13:43.55 | futex_ | how can i have the 2 hour shift hour for my user? |
| 13:43.55 | mick_work | ok, i should have looked at the manpage for that :-/ |
| 13:43.59 | neozyan | how do i link that |
| 13:44.02 | stew | neozyan: then modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 13:44.09 | stew | neozyan: and add snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules |
| 13:44.10 | eurisko | where is expected to be the brightness file, for control of the lcd in proc? so i can echo some values to there |
| 13:44.12 | goll | futex_, as root what does the echo $TZ show ? |
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| 13:44.42 | futex_ | goll, $TZ is not set |
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| 13:45.35 | neozyan | FATAL: Module snd_pcm_oss not found. |
| 13:45.48 | xingu | ghatak: most ssh implementations quickly devolve to an rtt-symmetric write-block/waitfor-ack loop; some of them use larger blocking sizes (openssh isn't one of them); network layer crypto combined with letting tcp get on and do what it does well will knock the living crap out of it in performance terms, every time. |
| 13:46.02 | stew | neozyan: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 13:46.04 | xingu | ghatak: that's totally omitting effects of hw crypto if any. |
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| 13:46.28 | neozyan | 2.6.18.4 |
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| 13:47.00 | stew | neozyan: oh, its a custom kernel then. did you compile it? perhaps you didn't include oss compatibility when you compiled it |
| 13:47.11 | neozyan | yea |
| 13:47.18 | neozyan | but i am hearing the sound |
| 13:47.33 | futex_ | goll, is it normal? on over pc this variable is not set toon and i don't have the problem |
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| 13:47.51 | neozyan | the vmware needs the driver file to play the sound |
| 13:47.51 | stew | neozyan: becuase you are hearing sound from alsa aware apps, but anything that is asking for /dev/dsp (becuase it only knows how to talk to oss not alsa) wont work |
| 13:48.00 | xingu | ghatak: /with/ hw crypto, a well designed layer between tcp and the interface driver will deliver better results than a layer between ssh's read and write c library calls. |
| 13:48.40 | neozyan | that means i need to re complile |
| 13:48.43 | neozyan | my kernel |
| 13:48.44 | Alloosh | Iam trying to get my ubuntu and xp boxes to share internet connection since 114 hours, Iam really really tired guys, Please Please help me |
| 13:48.55 | neozyan | with oss enable |
| 13:49.08 | ghatak | xingu: i am not worried that but about over head, i have 2 gig links between sites which only I use, so couple 100 meg extra is no problem |
| 13:49.12 | stew | neozyan: you don't need to enable oss, but the oss compatibility for alsa |
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| 13:49.31 | themill | Alloosh: are you using a debian box for a router or something? |
| 13:49.46 | neozyan | i need the recomplie the kernel |
| 13:49.48 | xingu | ghatak: good luck filling them using ssh. :) |
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| 13:49.51 | neozyan | no other way |
| 13:49.53 | neozyan | fo this |
| 13:49.59 | savetheWorld | Alloosh: what is you network setup? (decribe like this: CableModem--linksys router - Ethernet hub---5 Pc's or such like |
| 13:50.07 | savetheWorld | *your |
| 13:50.08 | stew | neozyan: you can possibly compile just the one missing module |
| 13:50.23 | neozyan | how is that |
| 13:50.28 | xingu | ghatak: it's not about overhead, it's about whether or not it's possible to emulate tcp sack's. |
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| 13:50.41 | Alloosh | themill. I have ubuntu box, and xp box, I have adsl router, and my connection type is broad band, I just want to get the router to allocate ip addresses so the xp box get connected |
| 13:50.41 | stew | neozyan: how did you install the kernel? |
| 13:50.44 | xingu | ghatak: and I haven't seen an ssh implementation yet that does (and I've seen most of them) |
| 13:50.53 | neozyan | same process |
| 13:51.10 | stew | neozyan: same as what? |
| 13:51.18 | neozyan | make menuconfig |
| 13:51.21 | stew | Alloosh: does this have anything to do with debian? |
| 13:51.21 | neozyan | and configure |
| 13:51.26 | neozyan | and install the kernel |
| 13:51.28 | themill | Alloosh: if you don't have a debian box in there then there's not much we can help you with. |
| 13:51.36 | TbbW | anyone know of a good program for linux to do backup of realy messed up harddrive ( this case ntfs ) |
| 13:51.38 | Alloosh | stew, isnt ubuntu a denian? |
| 13:51.48 | stew | Alloosh: no, please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 13:51.54 | themill | Alloosh: it either sounds like a windoze internet connection sharing program or an ubuntu problem.. ask either in #ubuntu or #windows |
| 13:52.04 | Alloosh | Oh, sorry guys, thanks |
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| 13:52.37 | stew | neozyan: how did you install it? with make install? did you create a deb with make-kpkg and install that? |
| 13:53.39 | neozyan | make install |
| 13:53.44 | neozyan | and install |
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| 13:54.26 | rob19 | stew: dpkg -l python\* only shows "un python-4suite <none> (no description available)" |
| 13:54.57 | stew | neozyan: then you should be able to 'make menuconfig', enable it, make dep modules modules_install |
| 13:55.14 | stew | rob19: so then yes, i'd say your analysis is correct |
| 13:55.18 | neozyan | thanks |
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| 13:55.25 | neozyan | for u r help srew |
| 13:55.32 | stew | rob19: and yes, it is probably supposed to do this |
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| 13:58.24 | AKX | Okay, so let's ask it this way: What is the best way to clone a smaller (120 Gb) hard drive to a larger one (250 Gb), maintaining bootability etc |
| 13:58.34 | AKX | (Also add one question mark where deemed necessary.) |
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| 13:59.05 | alex_ | AKX, create a partition with the exact clusters and sectors as the first 120gb |
| 13:59.10 | alex_ | and stripe size |
| 13:59.14 | alex_ | and then copy it over |
| 13:59.27 | AKX | Is it possible to grow it to 250 GiB afterwards? |
| 13:59.28 | alex_ | then with the spare space, create a partition to gfill it |
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| 13:59.42 | alex_ | you would create another partition and mounti it as sar |
| 13:59.44 | alex_ | /mnt/hdd2 |
| 13:59.51 | alex_ | sar = say |
| 14:00.04 | xand | why would you want to do that? |
| 14:00.05 | AKX | Hmm... |
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| 14:00.13 | ruben_ | Hi, I want to reinstall a kernel using chroot /mnt/gentoo /bin/bash, but all time using rm, or chmod I see chmod: cannot access `./unifdef-1.20/make-tarball.sh': Function not implemented, any idea? |
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| 14:02.05 | twb | ruben_: this is not a gentoo support channel... |
| 14:02.24 | twb | AKX: with LVM, sure |
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| 14:03.17 | twb | AKX: without LVM it's more fiddly, but still possible for most filesystems. |
| 14:03.27 | AKX | Fiddly doesn't sound fun. |
| 14:03.47 | twb | Well, FSVO fiddly |
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| 14:03.59 | twb | You have to write partition tables by hand and dd data across and stuff |
| 14:04.26 | twb | And you have to do it while the drive is unmounted |
| 14:04.39 | AKX | Sounds too fiddly for me. :) |
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| 14:05.05 | twb | With LVM you can migrate logical volumes between physical volumes (e.g. HDDs) while they're running |
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| 14:07.00 | themill | AKX: I'd be tempted to boot off a livecd, mount the two drives, rsync them, chroot onto the new drive and install grub. Or boot of the etch install cd in rescue mode and install grub. But rsync will thrash a failing drive harder than ddrescue will. |
| 14:07.28 | XtypeWriter74 | hi. does anybody know a tool with which i can make .nsv |
| 14:07.34 | themill | AKX: exact binary image doesn't sound like it's a requirement and it makes like harder for you. Path of least resistance.... |
| 14:07.40 | twb | themill: rsync won't necessarily preserve all the bits |
| 14:07.46 | AKX | themill, yeah, our current plan is installing a base debian system, then using a livecd to cp -a everything from the old drive to the new one |
| 14:07.55 | AKX | The idea is to have a system that is functionally similar to the current one |
| 14:08.19 | themill | twb: which bits? |
| 14:08.29 | twb | For example, I don't know if rsync preserves selinux attributes |
| 14:08.46 | twb | That is, the -o attr metadata |
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| 14:09.08 | twb | Another example would be resource forks when copying HFS to HFS, although that's unlikely to be an issue here. |
| 14:09.18 | themill | twb: ahh, I get you. Probably not. |
| 14:09.30 | stew | why wouldn't he just be using dd_rescue? |
| 14:09.41 | twb | stew: well, that's what I suggested |
| 14:09.58 | themill | stew: "Sounds too fiddly for me" |
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| 14:10.23 | themill | stew: i can sympathise with that... :) |
| 14:10.56 | AKX | hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=125593363, sector=125593363 |
| 14:11.04 | AKX | That's what's prompting us to get a new drive. |
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| 14:11.48 | stew | AKX: then yes, i'd recommend using dd_rescue which will gracefully move beyond those bad blocks |
| 14:12.00 | AKX | But the drives are of different sizes and so on? |
| 14:12.10 | twb | AKX: doesn't matter |
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| 14:12.42 | themill | AKX: you can resize the paritions and filesystems afterwards |
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| 14:12.50 | AKX | Should dd_rescue be run on hda1 or hda then? |
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| 14:13.06 | twb | Yes. |
| 14:13.06 | stew | AKX: are both drives the same size? |
| 14:13.14 | twb | stew: the new one is substantially bigger |
| 14:13.22 | AKX | Over double the size. :P |
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| 14:13.24 | twb | stew: he needs to dd, cfdisk, e2grow |
| 14:13.47 | stew | this is beyond my experience, but yeah, sounds like it shoudl work |
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| 14:14.14 | stew | as long as its okay if all of the free space goes to the last partition? (like he doen't want to grow any others?) |
| 14:14.15 | twb | The only way it wouldn't is if he had an old MFM disk or something that actually CARED about geometry |
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| 14:14.36 | politik | I can't boot past my initramfs... I think I know what the problem is, I need to edit a file in the initramfs. any idea what editing program I can use in that environment? |
| 14:15.04 | twb | stew: well, if he wants to grow anything but the physically-last partition he has to dd individual partitions across, and dd the MBR across |
| 14:15.15 | twb | politik: yes. |
| 14:15.42 | politik | twb: great, mind sharing? :) |
| 14:16.13 | stew | politik: can you boot any kernel on that machine? |
| 14:16.38 | twb | politik: you don't edit the ramdisk, you edit /etc/initramfs-tools and /usr/share/initramfs-tools and then run update-initramfs -u -k all |
| 14:16.40 | politik | stew: I'm booted with a kernel right now... I'm in the initramfs environment |
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| 14:17.10 | politik | twb: ok so I need to boot a livecd and edit those |
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| 14:17.29 | twb | Well, if you can futz the environment enough to boot normally you can fix it that way |
| 14:17.36 | politik | can I edit the ramdisk, and try to continue booting after there? |
| 14:17.46 | politik | and then edit properly once I'm booted |
| 14:17.59 | stew | politik: i believe that busybox includes vi, but yeah, you won't be able to persist changes from within the initrd |
| 14:18.04 | twb | If you can't -- e.g. if you don't have lvm2 in the ramdisk and / is on LVM, then you need a live cd |
| 14:18.19 | politik | I tried vi... no luck |
| 14:18.26 | politik | alright I will try the livecd |
| 14:18.28 | politik | thanks |
| 14:18.48 | abchirk | How I can find out which /dev my keyboard is connected to? |
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| 14:19.45 | themill | abchirk: ls -l /dev/input/by-path/ |
| 14:19.46 | stew | politik: initramfs images are gziped cpio archives, you can edit them by running "zcat /path/to/initrd | cpio -i" which will copy the files to pwd, then make changes and re-cpio/gzip them. but in general, you should be trying to see if you can fix it in /etc/initramfs-tools/ and regenerating |
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| 14:20.26 | politik | stew: interesting, thanks |
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| 14:21.08 | politik | if I'm in an initramfs and by some stroke of luck I figure out how to fix it, is there a way to retry booting from there? |
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| 14:22.00 | abchirk | hm thx themill but If I make cat <mydevice> and type sth, that arent normal chars than? :P |
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| 14:23.39 | themill | abchirk: sorry... not sure what you mean. What are you trying to do? Set up multimedia keys or something? |
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| 14:24.09 | stew | steal your roomate's password? |
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| 14:25.00 | abchirk | No! wanted to make a script which reads out the things I gave in keyboard |
| 14:25.18 | abchirk | to order them e.g. URLs |
| 14:25.57 | abchirk | hm but let me thing, right I could read out all? :( |
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| 14:27.10 | abchirk | and themill I switched now to x86 and all works fine :) |
| 14:28.31 | themill | abchirk: you want a keylogger that remembers things like URLs that you type in? |
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| 14:29.22 | abchirk | yeah and save that in a extra file...I know I could make it with fx...but I want also save the URls from wget or else |
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| 14:29.54 | jusae | io streaming using stdio.h, i should be able to send more then characters to the graphics io port |
| 14:30.01 | politik | alright I booted a livecd and I mounted my root fs in /mnt/root, can I just cd to /mnt/root/etc/initramfs-tools and run update-initramfs -u -k all, or do I need to chroot to /mnt/root first |
| 14:30.20 | abchirk | So I should use C or C++? |
| 14:30.47 | themill | abchirk: if it's just recording what you type in a shell session then look at the command "script". |
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| 14:31.15 | abchirk | themill but it will be from firefox, konqueror too |
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| 14:32.18 | themill | abchirk: hmmm.... perhaps look at the package lkl. Don't know. |
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| 14:33.12 | jusae | there should be a gnu library to stream data to the graphics port |
| 14:33.29 | themill | jusae: graphics port? |
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| 14:33.39 | themill | jusae: this isn't dos |
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| 14:35.21 | solemnwarning | Do VIA SATA controllers work under Linux? |
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| 14:35.44 | solemnwarning | I think it's a 6421A chip |
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| 14:38.25 | themill | solemnwarning: Some do. But I don't know about that one. |
| 14:38.47 | jusae | grrr, its a startin point, without the overheads of a full wimp system |
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| 14:39.15 | themill | solemnwarning: do you have the lspci output? |
| 14:39.26 | solemnwarning | No, I don't have the card either |
| 14:39.48 | solemnwarning | I'm looking for a cheap SATA card on ebay and it's only 1.99 :) |
| 14:39.59 | themill | solemnwarning: yeah, figured that. |
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| 14:42.31 | xand | solemnwarning: it'll probably work. |
| 14:42.43 | politik | is a livecd really a safe place to run update-initramfs? I chrooted to my root fs and ran it, and it can't see that mdadm is loaded, etc, because /proc is not really there |
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| 14:42.56 | solemnwarning | thanks |
| 14:43.04 | jusae | gfp headers? right direction or wrong direction |
| 14:43.32 | xand | solemnwarning: but don't blame me if not :P |
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| 14:44.08 | jusae | i need to search the apt cache for all applications that run from the command line and have their source files, what would my command normally look like? |
| 14:45.15 | themill | jusae: what do you mean by have their source files? Everything in debian has source files except for some things in non-free. |
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| 14:45.44 | jusae | okay, thats what i mean |
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| 14:46.05 | jusae | contrib doesn't have source, it has headers to object files |
| 14:46.20 | themill | jusae: ? |
| 14:46.59 | themill | !tell jusae about contrib |
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| 14:47.56 | jusae | how would i search for commandline packages only? |
| 14:49.29 | politik | twb: what am I doing wrong here? |
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| 14:49.44 | themill | jusae: have a look at the debtags package |
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| 14:50.16 | jusae | thats a package that would be installed using apt-get install? |
| 14:50.24 | nataku_ | hi, I'm having a weird problem with the gnome workplace switcher applet |
| 14:50.26 | themill | jusae: yes |
| 14:50.30 | jusae | thxs |
| 14:50.33 | themill | jusae: but use aptitude rather than apt-get |
| 14:50.46 | alex_ | whats that GUI x interface that has that rotate cube effect? |
| 14:50.46 | IH2OI | aptitude>apt-get |
| 14:50.51 | Xoris | jusae: another way, if packages lack tags, could be to use aptitude to find packages that don't depend on GTK or Qt |
| 14:50.54 | alex_ | rotating cubes etc |
| 14:50.57 | nataku_ | when I first installed debian, I had icons that showed up in the switcher to show me which window was open on which desktop, but after I was farting around with my system trying to get beryl installed, the icons disappeared |
| 14:51.20 | jusae | Xoris: explain please |
| 14:51.27 | nataku_ | alex_, ironically, you're thinking of the bane of my system, Beryl |
| 14:51.33 | jusae | command or pointer to command, plese |
| 14:51.42 | alex_ | beryl? |
| 14:51.45 | stew | alex_: beryl isn't in debian though, compiz is |
| 14:51.50 | alex_ | compiz? |
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| 14:51.54 | nataku_ | yeah. |
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| 14:52.07 | themill | jusae: also look at http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/ssearch.html and use the tag interface::commandline |
| 14:52.13 | alex_ | (i know this isnt fedora) but whats it called for fedora? |
| 14:52.15 | themill | jusae: but not everything is tagged yet |
| 14:52.20 | nataku_ | it's annoying, since beryl and compiz aren't separate projects any more... |
| 14:52.21 | stew | alex_: ask #fedora |
| 14:52.38 | themill | nataku_: they are merging though |
| 14:52.47 | Xoris | jusae: sorry, but my connection is currently so slow that i can barely reach the web... and i don't remember the syntax by heart. but "aptitude search" has a *lot* of options, including ones for filtering packages based on what they [don't] depend on. try googling "aptitude manual", and when you find it, look for "search patterns" |
| 14:52.49 | x_link | alex_: Compiz Fusion is really buggy and unstable. |
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| 14:52.58 | h3sp4wn | alex_: I know RHEL5 uses compiz |
| 14:53.10 | jusae | thank you |
| 14:53.24 | x_link | alex_: I used it for a couple of days ago, used it for like 3 days. Then I uninstalled it. |
| 14:53.27 | nataku_ | true, themill. |
| 14:53.38 | nataku_ | yeah, compiz/beryl is interesting for like a week, tops |
| 14:53.41 | nataku_ | then you just get tired of it |
| 14:53.50 | alex_ | x_link, thats -a days |
| 14:53.52 | alex_ | -1 |
| 14:53.54 | Smooph | plz "alex_" get another username my name is alex and i get highlights everytime |
| 14:53.54 | Xoris | jusae: http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/ch02s03.html |
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| 14:54.12 | alex_ | Smooph, umm you get another name |
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| 14:54.19 | x_link | alex_: What? |
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| 14:54.31 | nataku_ | Smooph, maybe you shoud change the highlight script so it only triggers on your current nickname. |
| 14:54.38 | Smooph | sry I can't my mom would kill me |
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| 14:54.49 | nataku_ | I think anyone is allowed to use whatever nickname they want in here, as long as it isn't offensive. |
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| 14:54.57 | alex_ | lol |
| 14:55.04 | pheeror | hi, can you please repeate how i can regenerate configuration file |
| 14:55.09 | Spyro_boy | hello... |
| 14:55.16 | alex_ | pheeror, with your fingers? |
| 14:55.22 | Spyro_boy | is there an easy way to resolve this: http://tonybox.net/~spyroboy/SHITDEPS |
| 14:55.26 | themill | !tell pheeror about confmiss |
| 14:55.29 | Spyro_boy | er.. |
| 14:55.48 | alex_ | Spyro_boy, not when its a bin file |
| 14:55.54 | Spyro_boy | http://tonybox.net/~spyroboy/SHITDEPS.txt |
| 14:56.00 | Spyro_boy | alex_, it was missing an ext |
| 14:56.03 | x_link | alex_: Tried Beryl? |
| 14:56.36 | themill | Spyro_boy: are you trying to upgrade from sarge or woody or something? |
| 14:56.37 | alex_ | x_link, fedora box at work |
| 14:56.38 | stew | Spyro_boy: you are trying to install packages from lenny but you already have packages from sid installed? |
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| 14:56.48 | Spyro_boy | stew, I believe so. |
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| 14:56.50 | Spyro_boy | well |
| 14:56.53 | Spyro_boy | long story shot |
| 14:56.55 | Spyro_boy | short* |
| 14:56.56 | x_link | alex_: Okej? |
| 14:57.03 | pheeror | themill: kthxbye |
| 14:57.04 | stew | Spyro_boy: no, you are trying to install packages older than lenny |
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| 14:57.06 | Spyro_boy | I killed my libc by accident and... I used my lenny disk |
| 14:57.08 | Spyro_boy | but I have unstable |
| 14:57.16 | Spyro_boy | atleast I can boot now, but I have that. |
| 14:57.27 | stew | Spyro_boy: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 14:58.36 | Spyro_boy | stew, that's what I did. |
| 14:58.36 | Spyro_boy | Yes, I used aptitude. |
| 14:58.38 | stew | Spyro_boy: aptitude update && aptitude -f dist-upgrade |
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| 14:58.38 | Spyro_boy | Hrmm.. |
| 14:58.38 | Spyro_boy | I'll try that. |
| 14:58.53 | Spyro_boy | stew, oh wait, also |
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| 14:59.05 | Spyro_boy | stew, my security.debian.org repo is set to lenny/updates |
| 14:59.14 | Spyro_boy | I couldn't find out if there was an unstable repo |
| 14:59.14 | stew | Spyro_boy: that shouldn't matter |
| 14:59.16 | Spyro_boy | is there? |
| 14:59.17 | Spyro_boy | oh. |
| 14:59.18 | Spyro_boy | okay. |
| 14:59.19 | Spyro_boy | thanks. |
| 14:59.23 | stew | Spyro_boy: there are not security updates for unstable |
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| 14:59.33 | Spyro_boy | I see. |
| 14:59.34 | suwro | hello |
| 14:59.34 | Xoris | jusae: something like: aptitude search keyword "!~Dlibqt.*" "!~Dkdelibs.*" "!~Dlibgtk.*" "!~Dlignome.*" |
| 14:59.43 | Spyro_boy | Score is 12573 |
| 14:59.51 | Spyro_boy | Cool. It seems like aptitude can fix my system. :o |
| 14:59.57 | suwro | how can i see in iptables the package count on a rule ?? |
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| 15:00.23 | jusae | an example of an aptitude search, anyone please? |
| 15:00.30 | suwro | iptables -L FORWARD does not show the pkg count - but using -Z it zeroes the pkg count... |
| 15:00.48 | suwro | jusae: apt-cache search iptab |
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| 15:00.57 | rubchange | Hi, I am trying to use a backup using tar cvfzp usr_bin /usr/bin, but when I use this thar on other sistem, the symlinks are not correct, it uses a empty files with no permisions instead, any idea? |
| 15:01.03 | suwro | jusae: dpkg -l "*ipta*" |
| 15:01.18 | suwro | rubchange: as root? |
| 15:01.22 | rubchange | suwro: yes |
| 15:01.27 | suwro | hmm... |
| 15:01.31 | stew | suwro: try iptables -L -v FORWARD |
| 15:01.41 | stew | suwro: err iptables -v -L FORWARD |
| 15:01.47 | suwro | stew: ty |
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| 15:01.58 | stew | jusae: he's asking specifically about searching with aptitude, not apt-cache or dpkg |
| 15:02.16 | xingu | rubchange: is the target system using GNU tar? |
| 15:02.21 | Spyro_boy | stew, I'd hate to give this to you, but I'm not sure what it means: E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the linux-image-2.6.21-2-vserver-amd64 package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. (due to missing arch) |
| 15:02.30 | Spyro_boy | That's my last question, I promise. :( |
| 15:02.42 | stew | Spyro_boy: feel free to ask questions all day |
| 15:02.48 | stew | Spyro_boy: what does "dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.21-2-vserver-amd64" say? |
| 15:02.53 | Spyro_boy | oh. most places are like "stfu" |
| 15:02.54 | rubchange | xingu: is a grml, the usr_bin is from debian etch |
| 15:02.59 | nataku_ | so I have a question. If I wanted to dualboot windows and debian on one computer, but already have debian and GRUB installed, how hard is it? |
| 15:03.02 | Spyro_boy | iHR linux-image-2.6.21-2-vserver-amd64 2.6.21-6 |
| 15:03.05 | suwro | stew: -v was the magick :) - thank you |
| 15:03.48 | xingu | rubchange: what is "grml" ? |
| 15:03.48 | rubchange | xingu: yes, it uses gnu tar |
| 15:03.48 | themill | Spyro_boy: we'd never say sftu... we're nice here in #debian :) |
| 15:03.48 | stew | Spyro_boy: right, so it is "Halfinstalled" and it is trying to fix that |
| 15:03.48 | Spyro_boy | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: linux-image-2.6.21-2-vserver-amd64 is broken or not fully installed |
| 15:03.48 | Xoris | bwahaha |
| 15:03.48 | Spyro_boy | Hrmm.. I see. |
| 15:03.48 | xingu | rubchange: what filesystem type is the target? |
| 15:03.48 | Spyro_boy | I don't even need linux kernsl. |
| 15:03.48 | stew | Spyro_boy: and that kernel is no longer in the repositories which is why it is complaining |
| 15:03.48 | Spyro_boy | I compile my own. |
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| 16:51.20 | giz_bmz | in your opinion, what are the differences between gnome and E |
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| 16:51.40 | thelostbutler | taime1: vlc. docs |
| 16:51.42 | snowbird | stew |
| 16:51.48 | themill | taime1: debaday featured liquidsoap the other day |
| 16:51.48 | stew | snowbird: what? |
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| 16:52.13 | snowbird | in my network waht do i put in external tcp ports and internal tcp ports |
| 16:52.13 | themill | taime1: http://debaday.debian.net/2007/08/05/liquidsoap-a-versatile-icecast-source-client-and-much-more/ |
| 16:52.15 | twobitsprite | giz_bmz: they're very different... you could always try them out and see, or read about the two of them |
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| 16:52.29 | snowbird | pardon me external udp |
| 16:52.34 | stew | snowbird: i'm unable to help you |
| 16:52.39 | snowbird | why? |
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| 16:53.02 | twobitsprite | what's the prefered way to recompile the kernel in debian? |
| 16:53.14 | stew | snowbird: becuase I have too much trouble reading what you write becuase you write so carelessly, and I've become too frustrated by wasting far too much of my time on your carelessness |
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| 16:53.23 | twobitsprite | just install the source pkg and do the normal build? |
| 16:53.24 | giz_bmz | download kernel-sources |
| 16:53.26 | snowbird | ok ok stew |
| 16:53.39 | snowbird | wow |
| 16:53.47 | decan | hi everybody... |
| 16:53.51 | themill | !beer stew |
| 16:53.52 | stew | twobitsprite: /msg dpkg kp |
| 16:53.58 | giz_bmz | decan : hello |
| 16:54.01 | themill | stew: sounds like you need one |
| 16:54.07 | xingu | taime1: pulsaudio, vlc |
| 16:54.25 | snowbird | sounds like stew is syco troubles |
| 16:54.40 | stew | snowbird: what is 'syco' |
| 16:54.44 | decan | what I should do to make an Graphical Installation for Etch? |
| 16:54.48 | snowbird | bi/polar |
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| 16:55.02 | stew | snowbird: please keep it on-topic |
| 16:55.11 | decan | type what in the boot menu? |
| 16:55.11 | snowbird | i am stew |
| 16:55.18 | giz_bmz | decan : get the netinst cdrom |
| 16:55.29 | snowbird | open external tcp ports would be what |
| 16:55.40 | glguy | is it safe to run fsck on a running system if fsck is run in readonly mode? (is it beneficial?) |
| 16:55.44 | stew | snowbird: your comment about you thinking that I have mental disorders is not on-topic |
| 16:55.51 | snowbird | ok stew |
| 16:55.53 | decan | giz_bmz, how it works? |
| 16:55.53 | xingu | glguy: safe yes beneficial no |
| 16:56.04 | snowbird | you were mean stew |
| 16:56.20 | giz_bmz | decan : it installs a kernel that will download all other packages via internet |
| 16:56.24 | themill | !tell decan about netinstall |
| 16:56.27 | filleokus | hmm. if i'am connected to a wlan but dont have any ip adress, what should i do then? |
| 16:56.36 | glguy | xingu: could the test pass, telling you that you don't need to remount readonly and do it correctly? |
| 16:56.54 | stew | snowbird: i was mean? i speant hours yesterday trying to help you, which was painful becuase you are too careless to type without making several mistakes per line, and you don't type in coherent sentences. |
| 16:57.08 | twobitsprite | snowbird: well... you're english is horrible and your statements are very difficult to understand |
| 16:57.16 | xingu | glguy: yes but it could also fail because the on-disk and in-memory structures were not consistant leaving you none the wiser as to whether or not the on-disk structures were errored. |
| 16:57.20 | themill | filleokus: are you properly associated with the wireless access point? |
| 16:57.28 | glguy | xingu: OK, thank you |
| 16:57.31 | snowbird | stew tahst casue i have disibility some one p.conf when i should of not went there |
| 16:58.00 | decan | giz_bmz, ok I'll try..thanks |
| 16:58.05 | stew | snowbird: what does "tahst" mean? what is "p.conf"? |
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| 16:58.22 | giz_bmz | no problem ;-) |
| 16:58.44 | snowbird | that is p meant people said .conf file |
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| 16:59.05 | filleokus | themill: iwconf says so, yes |
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| 16:59.35 | themill | filleokus: then dhclient wlan0 (replace wlan0 with your wireless card) should be enough |
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| 16:59.43 | filleokus | okay |
| 16:59.57 | snowbird | outside world is google lo i leave port 80 open? |
| 17:00.08 | xingu | !tell twobitsprite about make-kpkg |
| 17:00.23 | stew | snowbird: if the reason you were not able to follow my simple instructions yesterday, and accurately edit a configuration file, then you should probably be using a different operating system other than debian, as the need to do such things is probably unavoidable |
| 17:00.37 | snowbird | maybe |
| 17:00.45 | stew | s/the reason// |
| 17:00.59 | snowbird | it wasn't y stew that i followed |
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| 17:01.04 | twobitsprite | xingu: a little lagged? |
| 17:01.11 | snowbird | it was outher persom i got mixed uop with |
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| 17:01.36 | xingu | twobitsprite: a little busy... |
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| 17:02.30 | Gnurdux | im updating (dist-upgrade) deb testing for the first time in a while and it wants to remove modutils... is this getting replaced with somehting else or will it break the system? |
| 17:02.35 | stew | snowbird: I just cannot understand what you write. Probably others can't either. "it wasn't y stew that i followed"? i have no idea what that means. If this is as good as you can do, I think you should find another means for support |
| 17:02.47 | themill | Gnurdux: are you running etch or sarge? |
| 17:02.55 | Gnurdux | testing |
| 17:02.57 | Gnurdux | which is lenny |
| 17:03.02 | twiggz | Gnurdux: i did a dist-upgrade from etch to lenny/sid using only synaptic with not one problem. |
| 17:03.25 | Gnurdux | did it remove modutils? |
| 17:03.26 | xingu | Gnurdux: modutils is obsolete; make sure module-init-tools is installed. |
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| 17:03.33 | filleokus | themill: ehm, i dont get any ip, but how would i see that im connected to the ap? |
| 17:03.40 | Gnurdux | xingu, ah ok |
| 17:03.41 | kanzure | I just ran apt-get source lynx; where is the source dropped? |
| 17:03.47 | twobitsprite | snowbird: is english your native language? |
| 17:03.50 | snowbird | i ahve a book |
| 17:03.51 | stew | twobitsprite: it is |
| 17:03.53 | themill | kanzure: in your current directory |
| 17:04.04 | Gnurdux | xingu, thanks |
| 17:04.04 | xingu | Gnurdux: ... I doubt that lenny userland would work on a 2.4 revision kernel anyway iotw. |
| 17:04.11 | Gnurdux | im not on a 2.4 kernel lol |
| 17:04.20 | Gnurdux | ive been on testing for a while |
| 17:04.25 | twobitsprite | stew: another miracle of our wonderful educational system, perhaps? |
| 17:04.27 | Gnurdux | this is just like a month ago's testing |
| 17:04.31 | kanzure | themill: ah |
| 17:04.35 | Gnurdux | and im on 2.6.17 or so |
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| 17:04.58 | Gnurdux | anyways thanks |
| 17:05.00 | Gnurdux | cya |
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| 17:05.57 | twobitsprite | groups |
| 17:05.58 | twobitsprite | er |
| 17:06.01 | twobitsprite | (wront window) |
| 17:06.10 | maddash | (wrong spelling) |
| 17:06.24 | twobitsprite | (type-o, sorry) |
| 17:06.56 | harpal | any one has used sendmail? |
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| 17:10.32 | twobitsprite | harpal: 'round here its generally considered polite to just ask your question or state your problem than asking to ask |
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| 17:12.40 | xingu | odds are good that anyone who's used email for >6mo has used sendmail - indirectly. |
| 17:13.08 | _Fallen | Hello. What is needed to create a 32 bit compiler/linker that can create 64 bit binaries on debian? |
| 17:13.37 | xingu | _Fallen: arch==amd64 ships that way by default. |
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| 17:14.01 | xingu | _Fallen: oh, 32bit compiler; probably you need to bootstrap it yourself. |
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| 17:14.21 | harpal | twobitsprite: can I configure send mail such that it works on gateway, it takes requests from internal clients or gateway proxy and then serves requset from the internet |
| 17:14.31 | jvgomez | good afternoon .. |
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| 17:14.50 | xingu | _Fallen: if you have a 32bit gcc lying about, try gcc -m64 ... |
| 17:14.55 | xingu | _Fallen: you never know your luck. |
| 17:15.09 | _Fallen | xingu_: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc_s |
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| 17:15.16 | twobitsprite | harpal: don't ask me, ask the channel... I don't know much about configuring sendmail |
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| 17:16.00 | harpal | ok can any one tell me? |
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| 17:17.02 | lordrich | harpal: try #sendmail? |
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| 17:17.09 | xingu | harpal: you don't seem to be too clear about what you actually want; if your question is - "is sendmail an smtp proxy" - the answer is no. |
| 17:17.27 | liable | and prepare to be flamed |
| 17:17.28 | xingu | harpal: if your question is - "can sendmail relay mail from one trust domain to another" - the answer is yes. |
| 17:17.48 | harpal | let me clear that |
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| 17:18.22 | jvgomez | I'm having troubles with my just instaled 'Debian Etch updated to Lenny' .. it's seem to have an active firewall but isn't .. I was deinstaled all firewalls and flush iptables .. but still saying me than I'm under firewall .. (I see it with aMule). What can I check to correct the problem ? |
| 17:19.11 | harpal | I have one gateway machine. I have two ports one for LAN and second one for internet. some computers are connected in internal LAN. |
| 17:19.42 | liable | jvgomez: iptables -L |
| 17:20.12 | harpal | now I want that If internal LAN user can Use outlook and check their mails using POP3 and SMTP |
| 17:20.33 | epsilon_ | jvgomez, iptables -vnL |
| 17:20.35 | jvgomez | liable: INPUT, FOWARD and OUTPUT empty without any directive. |
| 17:20.49 | edistar_ | jvgomez: you have a router? |
| 17:20.54 | liable | jvgomez: then look at your router or isp |
| 17:20.55 | harpal | I want to do antispam over there, so FIrst I have to setup MTA and then I can apply spam rules |
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| 17:21.32 | xingu | harpal: ok; are the user mailboxes going to live on the linux gateway machine or somewhere else? |
| 17:22.02 | jvgomez | liable: yes, but before system update I didn't have any problem .. with aMule always has an high ID |
| 17:22.36 | harpal | xingu: I dont have any mailserver on that gateway |
| 17:23.04 | jvgomez | epsilon: INPUT, FOWARD and OUTPUT emtpy without any directive... |
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| 17:24.02 | jvgomez | edistar: yes, but before system update I didn't have any problem with network. |
| 17:24.07 | xingu | harpal: ok, let me rephrase; you need to nominate a place where the user mailboxes will live; this is the first design statement; the next design statement is - which system will recieve mail from the world at large; and the final design statement is - which system will run your mail filter. |
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| 17:24.35 | MoDaX | jvgomez: does a router sit in between you and isp? |
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| 17:24.49 | xingu | harpal: if the goal is to have all three running on your exising gateway - then yes sendmail or any of the other mailservers can do this (this is a basic mail relay configuration) |
| 17:24.54 | harpal | mail filter is running on that gateway machine |
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| 17:25.28 | xingu | harpal: (well, relay with local delivery anyway) |
| 17:25.49 | xingu | harpal: if the goal is more complex (you want bits and pieces to be in other places) you need to state what you're trying to do. |
| 17:26.09 | jvgomez | MoDaX: well, my net scheme is: one wifi-router configured than a bridge (for my laptop wifi) and the isp router .. |
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| 17:26.33 | tobis | hi .. |
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| 17:26.34 | harpal | but with that can user access that yahoo mails using SMTP or POP3 and I can apply mailfilter? |
| 17:26.45 | tobis | what is the equivalent of ares in debian ? |
| 17:27.03 | MoDaX | jvgomez: are amule port(s) forwarded? |
| 17:27.05 | jvgomez | MoDaX: but, I repeat .. with las system I didn't have any trouble .. only after update I detect the problem. |
| 17:27.22 | xingu | harpal: no; to do that you would need to transparently intercept the connection from the client to the foreign (yahoo) mailserver and that's fiddly. |
| 17:27.36 | themill | tobis: what is ares what does it do and where is it from? |
| 17:27.58 | MoDaX | jvgomez: ok, have you rebooted after update? |
| 17:28.01 | XtypeWriter74 | hi. i am using scsi HDD for the first time with adaptec bios "controller", can anybody help me out on how to install debian by netinstall |
| 17:28.04 | xingu | harpal: however; if you want to /impersonate/ the client-to-yahoo pop3 session, fetchmail will act as a pop3 client, delivering to mailboxes on your gateway machine. |
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| 17:28.11 | tobis | ares is a p2p client for windows |
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| 17:28.31 | xingu | harpal: *then* you could run antiviral filters over those same mailboxes, after fetchmail had pulled the mail down. |
| 17:28.31 | benny99 | hi |
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| 17:28.48 | benny99 | what is the best way to install drivers for my RT2500 WLAN Card under Debian 4.0 ? |
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| 17:29.07 | jvgomez | MoDaX: In firestarter configuration I was add ports 4662 4665 and 4672 in normative .. |
| 17:29.08 | harpal | then I have to give that mail to user also |
| 17:29.22 | xingu | !tell benny99 about ralink |
| 17:29.33 | MoDaX | jvgomez: so you're using firewall afterall |
| 17:29.51 | themill | tobis: there are lots of p2p programs around, search on packages.debian.org to find one that does what you want. |
| 17:30.07 | tobis | themill : ok |
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| 17:30.24 | jvgomez | MoDaX: more than one time .. first I tried to resolve the problem, of course, unfurtunately I don't know what can I more do |
| 17:30.30 | harpal | gateway machine can get that mails then I have to send them to users |
| 17:30.48 | benny99 | xingu: is there a way to download a rt2500 package as deb ? |
| 17:31.03 | xingu | benny99: my guess would be apt-get install ra2500-source; m-a a-i rt2500 |
| 17:31.23 | jvgomez | no, I was using 'firestarter' but, at now, I haven't any firewall installed .. and iptables flushed too |
| 17:31.27 | MoDaX | jvgomez: flush iptables rules. and by the way you don't need a firewall if you have a router |
| 17:31.27 | benny99 | xingu: and if I don't got internet there yet ? |
| 17:31.46 | xingu | benny99: then this is going to be painful; use your fixed ethernet to bootstrap. |
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| 17:32.07 | jvgomez | MoDaX: yes I did it .. 'iptables -F' .. but I still with troubles. |
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| 17:32.54 | MoDaX | jvgomez: start amule now. is port tcp/4662? |
| 17:33.01 | benny99 | xingu: rt2500-source is the right name btw. |
| 17:33.26 | benny99 | xingu: is there no dir like /usr/portage/distdir under gentoo? where all downloaded files are put ? |
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| 17:33.38 | xingu | benny99: you get the idea - you might need m-a update; m-a prepare; m-a a-i rt2500 |
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| 17:33.52 | jvgomez | MoDax: ok, I'm doing it. |
| 17:33.58 | MoDaX | benny99: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 17:34.01 | benny99 | xingu: now I must find that package, thanks so far :) |
| 17:34.02 | xingu | benny99: not sure what you mean, but maybe it's /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 17:34.06 | benny99 | ModaX: thanks :) |
| 17:34.07 | Codex_ | I have a problem with my laptop: X11 mouse cursor does not run smoothly while I'm doing apt-get dist-upgrade. Especially when it's writing something to disk. What could cause this kind of problems? |
| 17:34.15 | benny99 | Codex_: had that too :D |
| 17:34.26 | xingu | benny99: nb, you'll need the rest of the build tools which is why this is going to be painful. |
| 17:34.34 | Codex_ | benny99: how did you fix it? |
| 17:34.35 | benny99 | xingu: ah :( |
| 17:34.38 | xingu | benny99: do you really not have a functional wired ethernet? |
| 17:34.53 | benny99 | Codex_: sorry, don't know it... but I got a page somehwere |
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| 17:34.56 | benny99 | xingu: no |
| 17:35.26 | benny99 | xingu: what licenses are givin me that pain in my a** ? |
| 17:35.28 | xingu | benny99: do you have /another/ debian box with the same release v. ? |
| 17:35.29 | MoDaX | jvgomez: yeah, something is blocking (dropping) packets |
| 17:35.36 | benny99 | xingu: yep :) |
| 17:35.43 | benny99 | xingu: but I did it manually here |
| 17:35.50 | MoDaX | jvgomez: is your private internal IP the same as it was before? |
| 17:35.50 | jvgomez | MoDaX: I still having a Low ID, aMule say I'm firewalled .. |
| 17:35.52 | themill | benny99: ugh. you can download individual packages from http://packages.debian.org/ but you're likely to need a lot of packages... |
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| 17:36.03 | xingu | benny99: then do the same thing there; m-a will build a .deb if you use m-a build rt2500 |
| 17:36.26 | xingu | benny99: it'll spit one out as well during a-i, but maybe you don't want that on your other box... |
| 17:36.42 | jvgomez | MoDaX: you know if exist any script in any site of my system than can I check or delete to correct de problem ?? |
| 17:36.51 | kingsley | How should one diagnose why the kernel disables an interrupt? |
| 17:36.57 | benny99 | xingu: i'll try it, thanks |
| 17:37.17 | benny99 | xingu: yeah, sorry, didn't know that it was there back then |
| 17:37.17 | MoDaX | jvgomez: for amule to work with a router you should have setup DMZ or forwarded ports on it. did you do it? |
| 17:37.37 | MoDaX | jvgomez: another possibility is uPnP |
| 17:37.54 | benny99 | Codex_: cant find that page... |
| 17:38.02 | jvgomez | MoDaX: no, my private Ip is 192.168.0.193 and my public ip is 87.235.57.236 |
| 17:38.41 | jvgomez | MoDaX: how can I do it (uPnP) ? |
| 17:38.44 | MoDaX | jvgomez: so you've never setup dmz or port forwarding on your router? |
| 17:38.56 | jvgomez | MoDaX: no. |
| 17:38.59 | Codex_ | benny99: thanks anyway, at least I know I'm not the only one with the problme. :) |
| 17:39.12 | benny99 | Codex_: nope, you aren't definetly ^^ |
| 17:39.31 | benny99 | Codex_: and btw. if it's working with the touchpad, you'll have additional fun with an additional mouse =) |
| 17:39.42 | MoDaX | jvgomez: ok, I'm not amule user. search amule preferences / plugins for uPnP (Universal Plug And Play) |
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| 17:40.08 | MoDaX | jvgomez: probably it was ON by default in previous amule version. now it is off |
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| 17:40.54 | jvgomez | MoDaX: ah, in amule, I thought it was a module or program in debian .. ok .. I looking for uPnP. |
| 17:41.23 | snowbird | i fixed it |
| 17:41.44 | themill | snowbird: well done. |
| 17:42.33 | jvgomez | MoDaX: I can't find uPnP in aMule .. I was find it in ktorrent .. but ins't the same. |
| 17:43.05 | MoDaX | jvgomez: uPnP for ktorrent is to open ktorrent ports only |
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| 17:44.25 | jvgomez | MoDaX: Yes I know .. I only say you that this option (uPnP) is not present in aMule program. |
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| 17:45.04 | benny99 | xingu: sorry, where must I put the *tar.gz again ? |
| 17:45.10 | snowbird | the mill can i ask you a few things abought internet protocols |
| 17:45.45 | xingu | benny99: you shouldn't be dealing with tar.gz's at all; just apt-get install rt2500-source; m-a update; m-a prepare; m-a build rt2500 |
| 17:45.49 | twobitsprite | where does one get the kernel config that is used by debian to build kernels? |
| 17:45.53 | snowbird | themill: i read manual got it to work just need a few things manual left out |
| 17:46.07 | benny99 | xingu: i cant :(, no connection to the internet |
| 17:46.34 | xingu | benny99: I thought you said you had another system which had the same release? (and I assumed was networked) |
| 17:46.44 | benny99 | xingu: ah wait, on the other machine? and m-a install will install it, but nothing else? |
| 17:46.56 | xingu | benny99: m-a build rt2500 |
| 17:47.00 | themill | snowbird: well done on the reading, but I'm not the right person to ask about internet protocols. In fact #debian is probably not the right place at all. |
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| 17:47.07 | xingu | benny99: and out will pop a rt2500-mumble-.deb. |
| 17:47.18 | MoDaX | jvgomez: hmm, according to amule faq, amule should support upnp out-of-the-box |
| 17:47.26 | themill | benny99: which you can then copy across an dpkg -i |
| 17:47.37 | benny99 | xingu: and where does it pop it? |
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| 17:47.46 | themill | benny99: /usr/src |
| 17:47.51 | benny99 | thanks |
| 17:47.53 | birunko | hey guys, is there a way to tell to apt orverwrite a file? just like dpkg does when you use the --force-overwrite option |
| 17:48.04 | MoDaX | jvgomez: do you get private IP via dhcp? |
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| 17:48.08 | themill | birunko: what file? |
| 17:48.15 | snowbird | the mill oh oh |
| 17:48.26 | benny99 | sorry, Im a debian-boon :(... thanks for helping me all the way |
| 17:48.44 | snowbird | ahh u speak thanks i did not relize to lok else were i got google open |
| 17:48.48 | jvgomez | MoDaX: yes, the IPS router give IPs dinamicaly |
| 17:49.13 | jvgomez | MoDaX: sorry .. ISP router give me IP dinamically .. |
| 17:49.18 | MoDaX | jvgomez: I'm asking about your local wifi router |
| 17:49.25 | benny99 | hm... Im an idiot... |
| 17:49.31 | benny99 | its not possible to scroll in "irc" |
| 17:49.42 | MoDaX | benny99: depends on the client |
| 17:49.49 | benny99 | ircii |
| 17:49.58 | benny99 | could you paste the second m-a command again ? |
| 17:49.59 | MoDaX | benny99: it should be possible |
| 17:50.05 | themill | !tell benny about irc archive |
| 17:50.05 | birunko | themill, I have 2 pkgs that install the same file in the same path. So I want to force an overwriting |
| 17:50.16 | benny99 | :A but I dunno how |
| 17:50.30 | themill | birunko: both official debian packages? |
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| 17:50.39 | jvgomez | MoDaX: I have two routers, one wifi (bridge configured without anything more) and the ISP router ...(87.235.57.236) |
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| 17:50.46 | themill | !tell benny99 about irc archive |
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| 17:51.26 | maddash | thi might be a bit off-topic, but can anyone suggest a oss-friendly wifi adapter? |
| 17:51.47 | MoDaX | jvgomez: and you're behind wifi router, which does nat, aren't you? |
| 17:52.13 | benny99 | can't you paste that second command? |
| 17:52.16 | birunko | themill, actually not. I wanna do that just to make some tests before fixing this issue |
| 17:52.18 | benny99 | after m-a update ? |
| 17:52.26 | themill | benny99: m-a prepare; m-a update; m-a build rt2500 ? what that it? |
| 17:52.57 | benny99 | thanks |
| 17:53.05 | benny99 | themill: it was :) |
| 17:53.08 | jvgomez | MoDaX: I'm using wifi router only than bridge .. only ISP router is configured (by ISP provider) for security, services, NAT .. etc .. |
| 17:53.20 | themill | birunko: it's better to use dpkg-divert rather than overwriting. The diversion will work when you upgrade packages etc too. |
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| 17:53.53 | jvgomez | MoDaX: but, always run correctly, this troubles appear after system update .. |
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| 17:54.57 | MoDaX | jvgomez: something has changed in the configuration that causes this situation. I'm trying to determine what |
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| 17:56.03 | birunko | themill, hm, good to know, but I was looking for a way to do that via apt. But that's ok since i'm just doing some test. Thanks a lot! =) |
| 17:56.09 | MoDaX | jvgomez: one of the possibilities is that your private IP might have changed for some reason. has it always been 192.168.0.193? |
| 17:56.26 | jvgomez | MoDaX: yes .. |
| 17:56.28 | benny99 | that I'm here already, is building the nvidia drivers basically the same way ? |
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| 17:56.39 | twobitsprite | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.22 | jvgomez | MoDaX: I was installed the system more than one time in this week and the ghost firewall problem is the first time to appear. |
| 17:57.45 | themill | !tell benny99 about nvidia |
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| 17:58.12 | MoDaX | jvgomez: so if i understand correctly, isp does not give you your own external ip, does it? |
| 17:58.27 | twobitsprite | better yet... why does debian supply a newer version of gcc than was used to build the kernel... or am I missing something? |
| 17:58.44 | benny99 | thank you |
| 17:58.58 | benny99 | !tell benny99 about nvidia-one-liner |
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| 17:59.14 | themill | benny99: you can also /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 18:00.06 | MoDaX | jvgomez: it might be that all this is just a conincidence. and the fault is on the ISP side. |
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| 18:00.15 | dondelelcaro | twobitsprite: we supply multiple versions of gcc, actually. |
| 18:00.23 | szachista | hello |
| 18:00.25 | jvgomez | MoDaX: well, is a Tele2 router with telephone line, when connect it, the router take configuration of ISP provider .. and I get IP when I start the system .. always I has IP 192.168.0.193 .. |
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| 18:00.43 | dondelelcaro | twobitsprite: and linux-source is the package which has the kernel source as built; if you want the whole thing, apt-get source linux-image-...; whatever. |
| 18:00.51 | dondelelcaro | (but odds are you don't actually want that) |
| 18:01.03 | jvgomez | MoDaX: and the router always have the same external IP . |
| 18:01.03 | szachista | when i install .deb package using "dpkg -i package.deb" it doesn't install any dependencies, how can i change it? |
| 18:01.08 | kingsley | stew: Do you happen to know who would be a good person in #debian to ask for advice about why the kernel is disabling an interrupt? |
| 18:01.17 | twobitsprite | dondelelcaro: well... I need gcc v 4.1.2 and have 4.1.3, I know debian has 4.1 and 4.2 packages, etc... |
| 18:01.21 | l3mr | i'm trying to link a static library. i use "libtool --mode=link -static (...)". Libtool complains that 'unrecognized option "-static". However, libtool --help --mode=link tells me that static is a valid switch.... any ideas? |
| 18:01.26 | benny99 | thanks then :) bye |
| 18:01.27 | MoDaX | jvgomez: try rebooting router |
| 18:01.29 | dondelelcaro | twobitsprite: why do you need that version of gcc? |
| 18:01.39 | dondelelcaro | twobitsprite: but in any event that version exists on snapshot.debian.net |
| 18:01.58 | blommer | i'm looking for a replacement for fluxbox - are there other leightwave window managers out there? :) |
| 18:02.00 | twobitsprite | dondelelcaro: because my kernel was built with 4.1.2, and have 4.1.3... and while trying to build the vmware kernel module is complains about this discrepency |
| 18:02.05 | jvgomez | MoDaX: ok, I'm going to do it .. write you later. |
| 18:02.31 | twobitsprite | s/is/it |
| 18:02.36 | MoDaX | jvgomez: amule will never get high ID without either of these things: DMZ to your private ip address, port forwarding or upnp working on the router and your side |
| 18:02.49 | snowbird | themill: manual help works |
| 18:03.21 | szachista | blommer: windowmaker, apfterstep, rox desktop :) |
| 18:03.41 | stew | kingsley: no idea, sorry. which interrupt? what does it correspond to in /proc/interrupts? |
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| 18:05.09 | rox | blommer: you could also try out xfce |
| 18:05.21 | snowbird | progress |
| 18:05.40 | jvgomez | MoDaX: no, the troubles still |
| 18:05.54 | blommer | well planning to run it on a machine with celeron 2ghz and 256 mb ram - what would you recommend? |
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| 18:06.12 | snowbird | sniff sniff tears did all run away whayn i saw work |
| 18:06.25 | rox | blommer: just keep clear of gnome and you will be fine |
| 18:06.28 | dondelelcaro | blommer: what I would recommend is getting more ram. |
| 18:06.44 | dondelelcaro | (the window manager doesn't really matter much) |
| 18:06.46 | blommer | dondelelcaro hehe i expected that comment from someone :) |
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| 18:07.00 | snowbird | gnome is ok need ram? us lill less desk top or use small hd os |
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| 18:07.26 | dondelelcaro | uh... the OS isn't really going to affect your ram usage much |
| 18:07.36 | rox | blommer: gnome is rather bloated, an you might also keep clear of firefox, which is a resource hog. Try xfce + gnome + claws-mail |
| 18:07.56 | rox | blommer: i ment to say xfce + galeon + claws-mail |
| 18:08.02 | snowbird | try links browser fix cookies and u fine |
| 18:08.13 | kingsley | stew: Thanks for asking. It's interrupt #11, which "cat /proc/interrupts" reveals is used by uhci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb2, aic7xxx, Ensoniq AudioPCI, VIA8233A, eth0 and eth1. |
| 18:08.20 | snowbird | rox: how i clear temp files coookies and trash |
| 18:08.25 | tarzeau | snowbird: try links2 ? |
| 18:08.31 | MoDaX | jvgomez: as I said before, amule will never get high ID without either of these things: DMZ to your private ip address, port forwarding or upnp working _on the router_ and _on your side_. I have no other ideas. check with `netstat -ap | grep amule` as root which ports amule opens. |
| 18:08.41 | pablo_ | hi, does debian include closed firmwares in its kernel? |
| 18:08.42 | snowbird | links browser |
| 18:08.52 | snowbird | il fetch link |
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| 18:09.18 | rox | snowbird: rm -rf /home/joshua |
| 18:09.27 | snowbird | thanks rocks |
| 18:09.33 | snowbird | links at source forge |
| 18:09.44 | stew | snowbird: don't listen to rox |
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| 18:09.51 | snowbird | ok stew |
| 18:10.00 | snowbird | thanks stew i fixed it i read manual |
| 18:10.11 | snowbird | stew iam listen to u what i doo? |
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| 18:10.33 | stew | snowbird: i have no idea what you are trying to do, but i just didn't want you to follow the advice that rox was giving you |
| 18:10.33 | twobitsprite | rox, that's like throwing things ar the kids in the short bus... not cool |
| 18:10.38 | benny99 | and hi again |
| 18:10.44 | twobitsprite | s/ar/at |
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| 18:10.56 | snowbird | stew temp files cookes and internet trash how i rid |
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| 18:11.10 | xsdg | snowbird: what browser? |
| 18:11.22 | stew | snowbird: as I've said before, i'm unable to help you becuase I'm rarely able to understand what you write |
| 18:11.27 | snowbird | ice weasel |
| 18:12.12 | tarzeau | can i put a margin to a catted file somehow easily? |
| 18:12.31 | xsdg | tarzeau: sed? :o) |
| 18:12.35 | kingsley | Who's a kernel expert on #debian? |
| 18:12.45 | tarzeau | xsdg: oh well, ok |
| 18:12.48 | tarzeau | kingsley: just ask |
| 18:12.51 | xsdg | snowbird: Edit->Preferences->Advanced->Network |
| 18:12.54 | zamuro | !anyone |
| 18:12.54 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 18:12.57 | blommer | I just started up xfce4 - connecting throug vnc... only thing i got is the terminal in xfce style - no buttons, no right click, nothing... is it supposed to be that way? :) |
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| 18:13.03 | xsdg | snowbird: then click "Clear Now" where it says "Cache" near the bottom |
| 18:13.20 | xsdg | blommer: does it work without VNC? |
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| 18:13.41 | blommer | xsdg no idea, the comp is at my dad's house... |
| 18:13.52 | benny99 | is it possible to dpkg -i a package that was created for some different kernel ? |
| 18:13.57 | snowbird | is that all |
| 18:14.07 | blommer | but i mean i can start programs from the terminal, and they have xfce style bars... |
| 18:14.12 | xsdg | blommer: ok |
| 18:14.18 | snowbird | on outher ones u have to run clean temp files and stuff |
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| 18:14.26 | blommer | so i guess it works, but how do i add a menu? |
| 18:14.41 | xsdg | snowbird: well, you can clear the cookies separately (under the Privacy tab) |
| 18:14.55 | xsdg | blommer: you're probably just starting the window manager |
| 18:15.05 | twobitsprite | blommer: is it also running on the console? some desktops don't like seeing multiple instances of their compents running |
| 18:15.10 | xingu | hmmmmm |
| 18:15.22 | simonrvn | benny99: er, you can, but depends what kind of package whether or not it'll work. if it's a non-kernel package, of course it'll work. you'll need to clarify a bit what you mean |
| 18:15.24 | xsdg | blommer: maybe try the startxfce4 script? |
| 18:16.00 | jusae | i gotta go, bw needed |
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| 18:16.03 | xsdg | blommer: there's probably a better way to do this, but I don't know (I typically do xfce startup config by hand) |
| 18:16.21 | benny99 | gnah :( |
| 18:16.26 | DragonD | !dsearch gtk |
| 18:16.40 | simonrvn | xsdg: the xfce script is pretty generic and work fine |
| 18:16.49 | DragonD | oops |
| 18:16.55 | UngeniO | NoDaX: I'm sorry .. I restarted the system, the routers .. but the problem persist .. |
| 18:17.02 | blommer | got it working with the startxfce4 in vnc.conf :) |
| 18:17.07 | xsdg | simonrvn: cool |
| 18:17.13 | benny99 | I guess it does not work hm ? |
| 18:17.17 | xsdg | blommer: ok; cheers :o) |
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| 18:17.28 | blommer | looks damn cool :) |
| 18:17.29 | UngeniO | NoDaX: sorry, I used the Nick jvgomez last time. |
| 18:17.35 | xsdg | blommer: yeah, I really like xfce |
| 18:17.47 | enveezee | how do I get the cups thing localhost:631 from another box on the lan, it seems to be denying me access to that page |
| 18:17.55 | simonrvn | i use xfce stuff with openbox |
| 18:17.56 | blommer | now i only need a good torrent client with gui - any recommandations? |
| 18:17.59 | xsdg | blommer: (I switched to it a few years ago because I liked oroborus a lot, the window manager upon which xfwm4 is based) |
| 18:18.00 | xingu | has there been any discussion at all about whether or not debian gnome /wants/ to be mono-encumbered? |
| 18:18.16 | snowbird | done i got cool browser elinks links 2 |
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| 18:18.41 | MoDaX | UngeniO: sorry, I'm out of ideas. I believe debian is not the one at fault here |
| 18:18.49 | blommer | uhhh like galeon too :) |
| 18:18.52 | philippk| | i am not able to mount my cd-drive anymore, i dont know why, or what could have caused it - do you have any idea? or a solution?! |
| 18:18.53 | twobitsprite | enveezee: I believe it does that intentionally, there's probably a config to listen for remote connections |
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| 18:19.10 | SoulChild | how to convert a ogg video for youtube |
| 18:19.15 | vecnah | hi , I have a newly installed debian in text mode and I would like to know if I can do something like apt-get groupinstall desktop on it? |
| 18:19.24 | simonrvn | xsdg: dunno; mono is pretty resource intensive with a gui in front of it. dunno if gnome will go that way since they sem to want to include older machines common in poorer places (see their wiki) |
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| 18:19.27 | AKX | When is /dev and /proc populated? On boot? |
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| 18:19.37 | SoulChild | AKX Yes |
| 18:19.37 | simonrvn | xsdg: sorry that was meant for xingu |
| 18:19.37 | enveezee | twobitsprite: wow, mee too.. heh |
| 18:19.40 | xsdg | simonrvn: :o) |
| 18:19.41 | simonrvn | xingu: ^^^^ |
| 18:19.42 | AKX | Okie SoulChild :) |
| 18:19.50 | enveezee | twobitsprite: but I came here to ask cause I couldnt find it.. go figure |
| 18:20.09 | philippk| | AKX: are you asking me? i have no idea ;D |
| 18:20.09 | twobitsprite | enveezee: ? |
| 18:20.21 | SoulChild | Is there no programm for debian (lenny) to convert Video files ? |
| 18:20.21 | simonrvn | enveezee: just have it listen to a lan-accessible ip |
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| 18:20.38 | simonrvn | SoulChild: toolame? |
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| 18:20.44 | xingu | simonrvn: mmm; on the flip side "those poorer places" are miguel's home ground and he's pretty big on mono oddly enough ;) |
| 18:20.46 | SoulChild | simonrvn: i ll check |
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| 18:21.19 | simonrvn | xingu: yeh? i find mono pretty heavy on my box here. :/ |
| 18:21.21 | xingu | oh well, feeping creaturism it is, CIL everywhere. |
| 18:21.23 | enveezee | simonrvn: yeah I figured it out |
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| 18:21.29 | simonrvn | enveezee: :) |
| 18:21.36 | simonrvn | enveezee: of course you did :) |
| 18:22.14 | simonrvn | xingu: it's fast, but man does it soak up a lot of VM |
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| 18:22.26 | xingu | simonrvn: I'm more concerned about adding yet another layer of crap, yet another runtime, yet another toolkit... |
| 18:22.40 | simonrvn | xingu: mm, valid concern |
| 18:22.42 | x_link | f |
| 18:22.51 | enveezee | simonrvn: its giving me a 403 trying to access it though after changing the listen address in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 18:23.11 | benny99 | *crosses finger* |
| 18:23.17 | simonrvn | enveezee: might need to change some of the other sections |
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| 18:23.31 | enveezee | simonrvn: gee wiz.. ya think :P |
| 18:23.31 | xsdg | enveezee: you probably need to configure authentication somehow |
| 18:23.35 | snowbird | wow learned lots today |
| 18:23.46 | simonrvn | the access section (looks like an apache conf, it's easy) |
| 18:23.53 | xingu | simonrvn: from a quick run-through, it's tomaytoes/tomahtoes with other runtimes; but the more of them we add, the bigger the hoofprint, and the greater the probability of subtle bugs. |
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| 18:24.00 | snowbird | fixed that that net work and read manual and google |
| 18:24.07 | simonrvn | xingu: yes |
| 18:24.13 | simonrvn | snowbird: yay |
| 18:24.29 | snowbird | simonrvn: yeah is right |
| 18:24.33 | szachista | i was told that if i open deb package in mc and run from it INSTALL file, it will find dependencies automaticly. But is this safe way to do things? |
| 18:24.43 | snowbird | simonrvn: maybe il proof in time iam worth helping |
| 18:24.59 | simonrvn | snowbird: you have already |
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| 18:25.39 | snowbird | simonrvn: is there a gui that sits next to clock and flashes what is coming going on net |
| 18:26.07 | snowbird | simonrvn: il feeling happier now |
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| 18:26.18 | simonrvn | snowbird: network status applet? |
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| 18:26.26 | snowbird | someting like that |
| 18:26.34 | snowbird | of network filter |
| 18:26.48 | xingu | simonrvn: on the flipside, backdooring all those visualstudio developers into creating gnome apps that I assume are arch neutral isn't a bad achievement |
| 18:26.48 | simonrvn | i think that's what it's called |
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| 18:27.07 | simonrvn | xingu: hehe, for sure |
| 18:27.12 | blommer | what are you guys using for irc? I need a client that can handle chan owners - and to promote/demote them... mIRC can do it in windows, but i have not been able to find one for linux? |
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| 18:27.34 | benny99 | yeaaah :O |
| 18:27.35 | benny99 | bye |
| 18:27.42 | snowbird | k sirc |
| 18:27.45 | simonrvn | irssi |
| 18:27.51 | xsdg | irssi here |
| 18:28.02 | snowbird | simon if u come across one like this |
| 18:28.07 | snowbird | ill show u one |
| 18:28.14 | petemc | blommer: lots of people use bots to do that |
| 18:28.57 | snowbird | simonrvn: NetfilterStatsBuilder were do i get package for this or installer |
| 18:29.05 | blommer | petemc hehe i know, but i am a chan owner, but do not want to be marked as it, but i get it every time i join, so i want to demote myself :) |
| 18:29.15 | xingu | simonrvn: I still think it is a big enough issue that it ought to be optional; gnome-devel, gnome-games, gnome-mono, ... |
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| 18:29.49 | xingu | simonrvn: and not just backdoored with a dep from gnome-applets |
| 18:29.50 | simonrvn | snowbird: oh, do a search ('/msg dpkg search' for how) for that |
| 18:30.02 | simonrvn | xingu: i think so too |
| 18:30.17 | simonrvn | afk |
| 18:30.26 | snowbird | ok |
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| 18:32.46 | netcrash | Hello , I need to do remote backups using rsync over ssh how can I make it read a password or use a password ? Tried password-file=file but did not work, says it can't connect to remote server. |
| 18:32.50 | UngeniO | NoDaX: estas ?? |
| 18:33.08 | UngeniO | NoDaX: you still are here ? |
| 18:33.09 | SoulChild | what is a good programm to make a screencast |
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| 18:33.44 | h3sp4wn | SoulChild: screenkast seemed ok when someone paid me to build deb's for it |
| 18:33.58 | dondelelcaro | netcrash: you don't use passwords for that. You ssh keys without passwords that can only run rsync. |
| 18:34.32 | netcrash | dondelelcaro: ok |
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| 18:38.04 | xingu | simonrvn: it's actually "gnome" that deps on tomboy that pulls it in; bug'd. |
| 18:38.13 | xingu | simonrvn: will see what the maint thinks. |
| 18:38.43 | Deimos__ | hm, "DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket problem." when i'm starting amarok, wtf =\ ? |
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| 18:40.21 | h3sp4wn | xingu: Is the maintainer(s) the same as the one for Ubuntu ? (all sorts of crap is creaping in throughout Debian for these type of reasons) |
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| 18:41.40 | xingu | h3sp4wn: I wouldn't know - jordi? |
| 18:42.28 | xingu | h3sp4wn: obviously this is liable to open up cans of religion - I'm pragmatic enough to hope for gnome-mono metapackage |
| 18:42.41 | SoulChild | hmm is there another good screencast programm than screenkast??? |
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| 18:43.03 | xingu | h3sp4wn: that way I might drop gobs of functionality in the long term by not including it (as you do these days by losing gnome-applets) but at least it gives you the choice to. |
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| 18:43.52 | saas | hi. how to install php5-common if I need .....etch7 version ? |
| 18:43.52 | enveezee | how do I do ntfs write support in etch? |
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| 18:44.38 | hark | don't install the gnome metapackage then? install something like gnome-desktop-environment.. |
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| 18:45.00 | xingu | hark: true; more legwork for me though, and doesn't really make sense to me |
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| 18:45.35 | slapfaceware | what are stable, etch, sarge, lenny, sid,unstable? |
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| 18:46.16 | xingu | hark: you're right though, and I think that's what I'm going to do tbh. |
| 18:46.34 | Ronin | slapfaceware: stable-etch, testing-lenny, unstable-sid |
| 18:46.38 | xingu | hark: the flipside is that if /new/ gnome packages do sprout, I won't see them unless I go hunting, and that seems like a net loss. |
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| 18:46.49 | Gandhi | slapfaceware, etch |
| 18:46.54 | saas | is there a way to install php5-common...etch7 ? All apt-get has is etch1 |
| 18:47.04 | xingu | hark: you've gotta appreciate how much crap that one dep actually hauls in... |
| 18:47.08 | slapfaceware | what's sarge? |
| 18:47.14 | Supaplex | !tell slapfaceware -about sarge |
| 18:47.14 | Ronin | slapfaceware: oldstab |
| 18:47.16 | Ronin | ele |
| 18:47.28 | h3sp4wn | xingu: at least seb128 is involved with both - I think the person with the overall last decision should not be involved with both as they are too tainted (I tryed and failed to get the alsa-utils maintainer to remove asoundconf and put it into another package and offered to write it so that it could use only perl-base - just got flamed though |
| 18:48.02 | jelly | enveezee: your best bet is to backport ntfs-3g |
| 18:48.23 | Warbo | slapfaceware, Debian has stable releases which stay pretty much static (except for security updates) for long periods of time and are thus reliable and predictable, development goes on in unstable, and when packages manage to get through unstable for a while without major bugs reported on them then they move to testing, which eventually becomes the next stable. Each release is given a name from Toy Story, so Buzz, Woody, Sar |
| 18:48.24 | Warbo | ge, Etch, etc. Unsable is always called Sid (because he breaks things) |
| 18:48.46 | jelly | enveezee: a recent version is available at backports.org |
| 18:48.51 | xingu | h3sp4wn: *nod* - I'll do as hark says and drop the gnome metapackage for now, and wait to see how the ticket gets dealt with; who knows, maybe I'll get what I think should happen (suitable opt-in for what's the first mono/cil consumer) |
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| 18:49.26 | xingu | whoever it was that wrote apt-cache rdepends is owed a beer by me though. |
| 18:49.36 | jelly | saas: you may be missing the security repository in your sources.list file |
| 18:49.45 | hark | http://www.meebey.net/jaws/?gadget=Blog&action=SingleView&id=40 |
| 18:49.52 | enveezee | jelly: eh screw it.. I'll just backup and reformat.. heh |
| 18:50.04 | saas | jelly, I see |
| 18:50.06 | jelly | enveezee: that won't help |
| 18:50.10 | enveezee | jelly: just eliminated a win2k and winxp system with a debian one |
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| 18:50.18 | patterns | hey guys, I'm getting this error in my mail log: "spamd: mkdir /bin/.spamassassin: Permission denied at /usr/share/perl5/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm" Following that error is this: "spamd: locker: safe_lock cannot create tmp lockfile /bin/.spamassassin/auto-whitelist.lock" Any ideas why this is happening? |
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| 18:51.12 | jelly | saas: /msg dpkg security |
| 18:51.20 | tarzeau | for your enjoyment: http://asdfasdf.debian.net/~tar/pkgstats/ |
| 18:51.28 | saas | wow |
| 18:52.11 | saas | i think to do that i have to register |
| 18:52.27 | jelly | tarzeau: can you make a ntfs-3g backport from testing or unstable for etch-backports? |
| 18:52.36 | tarzeau | jelly: sure, you pay me cookies? |
| 18:52.56 | tarzeau | jelly: actually i made that backport already, for my/our repository |
| 18:52.56 | jelly | tarzeau: chocolate chip? |
| 18:53.08 | xingu | there, all gone. |
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| 18:53.13 | tarzeau | jelly: amd64 or i386? where do you live? i'll be in london and mallorca, usually zurich |
| 18:53.13 | jelly | tarzeau: a Mr. enveezee here is looking for it |
| 18:53.13 | anapivirtua | Good evening / Bonsoir |
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| 18:53.14 | MicW | hi |
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| 18:53.42 | MicW | what version of debian (if any) would run fine on an old p266 thinkpad (with 128mb ram)? |
| 18:53.54 | petemc | etch |
| 18:54.05 | jelly | tarzeau: I can manage my own backports, thanks. BTW what sort of cookies? Do they have to be home made? |
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| 18:54.32 | MicW | what's the version number of this? |
| 18:54.36 | petemc | 4 |
| 18:54.42 | Gandhi | MicW, potato or woody |
| 18:54.45 | petemc | MicW: any should be fine |
| 18:54.51 | jelly | tarzeau: I'm in zagreb, croatia and not moving very far in foreseeable future |
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| 18:55.34 | MicW | accoding to the website, woody (3.0) is in state "archived" |
| 18:55.37 | tarzeau | jelly: lemon cookies, cake is fine too |
| 18:55.41 | itchi | MicW: Any, even Etch runs fine on my P1 133 with 32 MB, running fluxbox on it. A bit slow to boot up, but that was expected |
| 18:55.42 | MicW | that means that there are no more updates? |
| 18:55.42 | tarzeau | jelly: yes home made please |
| 18:55.49 | jelly | enveezee: if you're still looking for that ntfs rw support, please tell tarzeau about your architecture |
| 18:55.58 | petemc | MicW: correct, and sarge will only get updates for another few months |
| 18:56.16 | MicW | then i should first try the latest |
| 18:56.16 | jelly | tarzeau: my oven is out of order :-| I could persuade my mom to make some tho |
| 18:56.28 | MicW | with fluxbox as wm? |
| 18:56.33 | itchi | MicW: yes |
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| 18:56.38 | hark | xingu: now that mono seems officially a part of Gnome, it will be interesting to see how many more apps are added. It's just tomboy now :) |
| 18:56.47 | itchi | MicW: Just pay attention to what you install heh, trash gnome, kde heh |
| 18:56.59 | MicW | is it' easy to use (it's for my girlfriends mother who has absolutely no computer experience) |
| 18:57.02 | MicW | ? |
| 18:57.15 | AKX | Oh yeah, tarzeau, did you ever get that LSD? |
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| 18:57.29 | itchi | MicW: My firewall, webserver, database, ... server is a P2 233 with 192 MB RAM |
| 18:57.31 | tarzeau | AKX: nope, got it? |
| 18:57.56 | AKX | So my "NO PSYCHOACTIVE SUBSTANCES HEREIN" didn't work? |
| 18:58.01 | MicW | nice. but the things which needs ram and cpu are the gui thnigs |
| 18:58.02 | itchi | MicW: Fluxbox is that easy to use, like everythings after have learning to use it |
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| 18:58.33 | MicW | is it possible to install debian over w-lan with an pcmcia card (dwl-g630)? |
| 18:58.38 | itchi | MicW: Even xfce will run "near" fine on your config |
| 18:59.04 | jelly | tarzeau: even if I fix the oven, I'll have to experiment with lemon recipes first. I only know one good cookie recipe. |
| 18:59.38 | MicW | wow. there are 21 cds for download? |
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| 19:00.02 | box | Is anyone here experienced with the debian apache modules .conf file system? |
| 19:00.04 | itchi | MicW: Yeah, you have much more software available for free as other comercial things :-) |
| 19:00.06 | AKX | jelly: You could try making ordinary oatmeal cookies and home-made lemon jam. That might work. |
| 19:00.15 | box | e.g. /etc/apache2/mods-available/expires.conf |
| 19:00.20 | zinx | MicW: you don't need all of them |
| 19:00.23 | itchi | MicW: But take the NetInstall cd, if the network card is been detected during the install |
| 19:00.26 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 19:00.30 | MicW | i used to install every linux over internet but this might fail with w-lan |
| 19:00.36 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 19:00.37 | itchi | TrueDD: Salut :-p |
| 19:00.42 | zinx | MicW: in fact, if you have a reasonable network connection at the install site, you only need the netinstall cd, which is fairly small |
| 19:00.44 | tarzeau | AKX: nope it didn't. if you can help out, tell me i can arrange the rest |
| 19:00.54 | TrueDD | Salut itchi :) |
| 19:00.55 | jelly | AKX: if I had homemade lemon jam, it would disappear fast no cookies involved! |
| 19:00.57 | epsilon_ | MicW, full copy, yes. but you dont want them |
| 19:00.58 | itchi | MicW: Wireless on that box?? ;-) |
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| 19:01.04 | AKX | jelly, that might also be true. |
| 19:01.16 | epsilon_ | MicW, if you have a connection 512kb+, you want netinstall |
| 19:01.30 | itchi | MicW: Take the cable for the install, that will be much more easy to do |
| 19:01.32 | box | itchi, ? |
| 19:01.32 | AKX | I can't possibly resist this. NP: Lemon Jelly - Nice Weather For Ducks [Lost Horizons] |
| 19:01.50 | itchi | box: Yes? |
| 19:01.51 | rob19 | if i wanted to search for a package how can i get apt-cache search <name> to show the version number of name as well instead of just its name |
| 19:02.02 | box | itchi, you called? |
| 19:02.07 | hark | MicW: do you know which driver the card requires? |
| 19:02.16 | sohmestra | MicW: you've got to be doing wep a wireless install to work, even if your wireless card is fully supported. |
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| 19:02.20 | itchi | box: Not that i know. Or did i an mistake? |
| 19:02.28 | box | n/m :) |
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| 19:02.32 | MicW | it has no network card and i have no pcmcia network card (except the wireless one) |
| 19:02.41 | Lanken | any kde users here? |
| 19:02.46 | Lanken | is there a debian package for domino? |
| 19:02.50 | jelly | AKX: in essence, it's duck season! |
| 19:03.01 | itchi | MicW: Get the first 2 cd's then, i'm not sure if fluxbox is on the first two honesty |
| 19:03.02 | Lanken | I've been trying to get it with apt searches, but no dice so far. |
| 19:03.02 | twobitsprite | I just did a dist-upgrade, and when I rebooted into the new kernel -- 2.6.21-2 -- gdm doesn't start because of nvidia problems... when I look at apt-cache, it doesn't show an nvidia package for kernel 2.6.21 ... is this a bug? |
| 19:03.02 | Deimos__ | any ideas for my dcop error when i'm starting amarok / kaffeine / etc ? =\ |
| 19:03.14 | twobitsprite | I don't see anything in bts about this |
| 19:03.20 | box | Deimos__, give the error... |
| 19:03.24 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: You cannot easily build nvidia for that kernel |
| 19:03.26 | simonrvn | it's moose season (soon; same for duck) |
| 19:03.36 | itchi | MicW: I always use the netinstall :-) I use apt-cacher btw. That keep the downloaded packages |
| 19:03.38 | Deimos__ | box, "DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket" |
| 19:03.39 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: this version specifically? |
| 19:03.59 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: any version with paravirtualisation enabled that is less than 2.6.22 |
| 19:04.03 | box | Deimos__, and you can ping localhost, your hosts file is okay, and your network is up? |
| 19:04.04 | jelly | simonrvn: mousse are distant cousins of jelly |
| 19:04.07 | itchi | twobitsprite: It's broken with the .21 |
| 19:04.16 | twobitsprite | itchi: damn |
| 19:04.16 | MicW | i try to start with the disks. download time of 15 minutes for each is ok |
| 19:04.19 | hark | MicW: doubt it then, google tells either madwifi or using ndiswrapper which are in non-free, so won't be there for the install |
| 19:04.20 | itchi | twobitsprite: Yeah :-p |
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| 19:04.31 | MicW | thank you and bye |
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| 19:04.41 | simonrvn | jelly: not that kind of moose ;). the kind that can stop a car, not the one that people can wrestle in ;p |
| 19:04.47 | hark | MicW: so get cd1 instead at least, and manually install the driver later |
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| 19:04.53 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: You could take the kernel and kbuild and kernel headers for 2.6.22 from sid |
| 19:04.56 | MicW | hark, i'll do so |
| 19:04.58 | itchi | twobitsprite: There is a work arround, even two |
| 19:05.06 | snowbird | how i fetch that non free source? |
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| 19:05.15 | h3sp4wn | !tell snowbird about non-free |
| 19:05.16 | Deimos__ | box, i can ping localhost and my loopback interface is up |
| 19:05.20 | itchi | twobitsprite: Use the .20 or that crapy nvidia.com installer |
| 19:05.29 | MicW | bye |
| 19:05.30 | twobitsprite | itchi, h3sp4wn: no biggie, I can live with the .18, thanks |
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| 19:05.36 | box | Deimos__, and can you ping your box name (hostname -f) |
| 19:05.36 | itchi | twobitsprite: dpkg know about it, search for nvidia and read the link |
| 19:05.50 | Deimos__ | box, yes |
| 19:05.56 | simonrvn | jelly: or spray-on hair stuff to make it stiff and look like an american news anchor's hair |
| 19:06.01 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: It works with the sid kernel and nvidia-graphics-drivers (from sid) |
| 19:06.11 | Deimos__ | it's strange =\ |
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| 19:06.27 | itchi | twobitsprite: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-da25e4acfc1b456e21717d2178b938ba4306e9cd |
| 19:06.28 | snowbird | that link won open |
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| 19:06.36 | box | Deimos__, then I must hand you over to the other people who use kde. I'm a gnome person (I'm 2' tall), and those were the standard network things to try. |
| 19:06.36 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: I'll just wait for it to come down the lenny pipe |
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| 19:06.57 | twobitsprite | thanks |
| 19:07.27 | itchi | twobitsprite: Read that link and download the patched version, i can confirm that it work ;-) |
| 19:07.29 | twobitsprite | er... actually, it looks like there isn't a linux-source package for 2.6.18... |
| 19:08.01 | Deimos__ | box, i've asked on #kde, no answer =\ |
| 19:08.15 | box | Deimos__, can you run xclock? |
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| 19:08.29 | box | Deimos__, is kdeinit running? |
| 19:08.41 | box | can you ssh localhost and ssh $(hostname -f) ? |
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| 19:09.07 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrr |
| 19:09.13 | Deimos__ | hm, i can run xclock, but kdeinit is not running =\ |
| 19:09.15 | grendal_prime | interneal wirless card |
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| 19:09.22 | Deimos__ | i'm on fluxbox, not kde |
| 19:09.22 | grendal_prime | ipw2100 |
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| 19:09.33 | grendal_prime | on an etch system...dell latitude |
| 19:10.00 | box | Deimos__, can you run konqueror? |
| 19:10.02 | mick_work | i'm trying to switch runlevels to install a new NVIDIA driver - init 3 does nothing though :-/ |
| 19:10.04 | kyevan | Can someone help me out with this? http://pastebin.ca/651456 (Running on Sid, just ran an upgrade of all the packages) |
| 19:10.17 | box | mick_work, run runlevel, what does it say |
| 19:10.28 | simonrvn | mick_work: debian doesn't work that way |
| 19:10.36 | h3sp4wn | mick_work: runlevels 2-5 are the same by default in Debian |
| 19:10.41 | simonrvn | !runlevels |
| 19:10.41 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf', 'sysv-rc-conf' or 'file-rc' instead - see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 : or ask me about <startup> |
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| 19:10.54 | simonrvn | hrm, wrong factoid |
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| 19:11.23 | Deimos__ | box, i've not installed konqueror, but it seems i can't run kde software |
| 19:11.27 | simonrvn | mick_work: /etc/init.d/{k,g,x,*}dm stop |
| 19:11.29 | Deimos__ | (kaffeine, amarok, ..) |
| 19:11.40 | mick_work | simonrvn: ah yes, thanks |
| 19:11.43 | itchi | mick_work: You just need to stop X. I guess /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 19:11.49 | h3sp4wn | mick_work: You could just use sysv-rc-conf and remove {k,g,x}dm from runlevel 3 |
| 19:12.09 | box | Deimos__, was it working before? |
| 19:12.09 | simonrvn | or set it to K ;p |
| 19:12.29 | kingsley | What's a quick and dirty command to write a test line into /var/log/messages? |
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| 19:12.45 | Deimos__ | box, yes =\ |
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| 19:12.48 | itchi | kingsley: tee |
| 19:12.49 | stew | kingsley: "looger foo" |
| 19:12.57 | box | Deimos__, what did you do between it working and not working? |
| 19:13.04 | solars | hey, if I have /dev/hda and /dev/sda, which is the "first" harddisk for grub? hd0 ? |
| 19:13.04 | itchi | kingsley: echo foo >> ~/mylovelyfile |
| 19:13.16 | Deimos__ | hmm |
| 19:13.17 | stew | kingsley: sorry, logger, not looger |
| 19:13.20 | Deimos__ | i'm on a new kernel |
| 19:13.20 | kingsley | ma |
| 19:13.43 | kingsley | (oops, wrong window...) |
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| 19:14.03 | stew | kingsley: about your interrupts... if i had to make a wild guess, i'd be much more willing to blame some misbehaved device attached to the usb port than any of the other devices you mentioned. |
| 19:14.12 | itchi | logger seems much more fine :-p |
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| 19:14.38 | stew | kingsley: is the interrupts being disabled problem reproducable? can you reproduce it without usb devices attached or without the ?hci_hcd module loaded? |
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| 19:15.16 | kingsley | itchi: Thanks. |
| 19:15.30 | mainyak | i guys. ive messed things up with my packages, not knowing dpkg -P existed i manualy deleted configuration files, and now i cant get rid of or put back those packages, ive tried google but cant find much, any help? |
| 19:15.33 | mick_home | "No precompiled kernel interface was found for your kernel" <--- what do i need to apt-get here? |
| 19:15.33 | twobitsprite | hmm... the steps in the nvidia page seem broken... it tells me to "apt-get install nvidia-glx" but when I try it says no installation cadidate |
| 19:15.36 | itchi | kingsley: No probs, you are welcome |
| 19:16.04 | itchi | mick_home: Press yes?? |
| 19:16.10 | Deimos__ | box, do you think a new kernel can cause this error =\ ? |
| 19:16.21 | box | Deimos__, unlikely |
| 19:16.26 | mick_home | itchi: well ya, i guess its building it's own thing |
| 19:16.31 | itchi | mick_home: yup |
| 19:16.43 | mick_home | i was wondering if there was some kernel headers that i needed |
| 19:16.49 | mick_home | or something like that |
| 19:16.52 | kingsley | stew: Thanks for asking. I appear to be able to repeatedly disable the interrupt. It seems to happen at about 2 AM, and I presume it's a consequence of a cron job. |
| 19:16.58 | hark | mainyak: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 19:17.00 | simonrvn | mainyak: off the top of my head i think best option would be extracting them to / then running the normal install for them. note this means any customisig will be overwritten. next time RTFM first ;). |
| 19:17.10 | mick_home | itchi: especially since it just died on me |
| 19:17.17 | stew | kingsley: now that is odd. |
| 19:17.21 | sebas891 | hi guys, I have been looking around, I didn't find anything... Do you know package or method to be kept informed of the packages installed? |
| 19:17.22 | mick_home | let me open the log file and see whats up |
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| 19:17.53 | kingsley | stew: I haven't tried to duplicate it without usb devices attached or the hci_hcd module loaded. |
| 19:17.56 | stew | kingsley: daily? system daily cronjobs run a 6:25, not 2. have you checked your cronjobs? |
| 19:18.00 | sebas891 | like a hook and aptitude or apt-get, |
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| 19:18.42 | itchi | sebas891: There is a factoid about config-miss or somethings like that but heh, i not find it back :-p |
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| 19:19.02 | sebas891 | itchi: factoid? |
| 19:19.13 | itchi | !debian |
| 19:19.14 | dpkg | well, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 19:19.19 | mainyak | simonrvn: thanks for the help but i didn't exactly understand though, what should i be extracting? you mean like do a manual install from the deb package? |
| 19:19.20 | itchi | sebas891: Somethings like that ^^ |
| 19:19.22 | mick_home | modpost: GPL incompatable module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol table 'paravirt_ops' -- shit |
| 19:19.35 | kingsley | stew: Yes, it appears to be disabled daily. My daily cron jobs start a 1 AM. |
| 19:19.42 | itchi | sebas891: What dpkg (the bot) told |
| 19:20.09 | stew | kingsley: anything odd in the logs before it happens? |
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| 19:20.13 | mainyak | hark: ill read that, but i dont have nickserv password for this nick so i need to login on new user.. |
| 19:20.13 | sebas891 | itchi: I'll look at that. |
| 19:20.21 | simonrvn | mainyak: try the info in the confmiss first, it might work. what i meant was dpkg -x 'somefile.deb / && dpkg -i somefile.deb'; that's only as a last resort |
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| 19:20.38 | kingsley | stew: Yes, there's a nice stack trace which I'd be happy to show you. |
| 19:20.52 | mainyak | simonrvn: ok, ill read that then |
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| 19:20.58 | softwork | debian dont have kde-window-decorator? |
| 19:21.01 | stew | kingsley: i'll look. does the stack trace idicate which module its coming from? |
| 19:21.04 | softwork | how i get this package? |
| 19:21.09 | ponyofdeath | hi, im trying to stress test my new kernel and machine just wondering how i can set up a kernel compile loop? |
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| 19:21.52 | Xoris | ponyofdeath: why not use actual stress testing software? (cpuburn, bonnie++, memtest86+...) |
| 19:21.56 | stew | ponyofdeath: perhaps apt-cache show cpuburn |
| 19:22.01 | itchi | sebas891: See "/msg dpkg help" Type the things between the both " like you write a message here |
| 19:22.01 | kingsley | stew: The trace is at http://pastebin.com/m6d171ea |
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| 19:23.20 | copelco | hey guys, if i do 'ssh copelco@mymachine ./run.sh arg1 arg2' will bashrc or bash_profile be run to set environment variables? |
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| 19:23.35 | kingsley | stew: It seems to me that the trace doesn't mention a specific module, but as you can see, it does name several "handlers", which I suspect are interrupt handlers in modules. |
| 19:23.36 | stew | kingsley: so some piece of hardware generated an interrupt that none of the drivers were ready to handle (i think). what does that mean? no idea. have you tried the "irqpoll" option mentioned there? |
| 19:24.07 | kingsley | stew: Yes, I just rebooted with "irqpoll" and now it's just a matter of time until it's tested. |
| 19:24.51 | kingsley | stew: What leads you to think that some piece of hardware generated an interrupt that none of the drivers were ready to handle? |
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| 19:25.32 | stew | kingsley: "nobody cared" |
| 19:25.51 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrr |
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| 19:26.05 | Xoris | is there a software PSTN modem in the repositories which could be interfaced to a soundcard and/or a SIP/H323 program? (i think there are some free "winmodem" drivers, i wonder if some of those could do the job) |
| 19:26.11 | grendal_prime | i hate wireless cards |
| 19:26.34 | p0g0 | grendal_prime: what did a wireless card ever do to you? |
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| 19:27.07 | grendal_prime | wont work ..everything ive found says its supported but i cant get it to work..pisses me off |
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| 19:27.32 | p0g0 | grendal_prime: what make of card? |
| 19:27.47 | p0g0 | chipset, etc |
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| 19:28.27 | mainyak | simonrvn: /msg dpkg confmiss doesn't rely anything (i checked im registered) |
| 19:28.34 | jetscreamer | lies |
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| 19:29.17 | tomaw | mainyak: you're not currently identified to services, so it's likely dpkg isn't getting your messages. /msg nickserv identify <password> and retry. |
| 19:29.29 | jetscreamer | no dpkg it kinda borked |
| 19:29.32 | jetscreamer | s/it/is/ |
| 19:29.36 | jetscreamer | do it to apt' |
| 19:29.36 | jelly | !test |
| 19:29.46 | jetscreamer | /msg apt confmiss |
| 19:29.55 | mainyak | tomaw: i know, but im signed in from a different account (i forgot password for this nick) |
| 19:30.02 | tomaw | ah :) |
| 19:30.06 | jetscreamer | ~botsnack |
| 19:30.06 | apt | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 19:30.13 | itchi | I can not check dpkg, i'm banned it's looks :-) :-) |
| 19:30.16 | kingsley | stew: In addition to disabling interrupts, my mother board's AC 97 audio started spontaneously resetting after I installed a used scsi host adapter. Perhaps the used adapter is generating spurious interrupts. |
| 19:30.26 | jetscreamer | ~lart itchi |
| 19:30.26 | apt | pours hot grits down the front of itchi's pants |
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| 19:30.34 | itchi | I have killed/abused his brain |
| 19:30.47 | jelly | itchi: it's dead, Jim |
| 19:30.59 | itchi | :-p |
| 19:31.05 | jetscreamer | she cahant take anymore captain! |
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| 19:31.48 | snowbird | scapel and salt wakes front up |
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| 19:32.41 | itchi | Bah, sad news, time to sleep :-( |
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| 19:32.52 | jetscreamer | scalpel and bleach |
| 19:33.22 | krenin | Hello. Does anyone know if there are sites with Debian Etch compiled for different x86 architectures such as Pentium-MMX, K6-II, and Athlon? |
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| 19:34.10 | jetscreamer | that's not exacty the question you wanted to ask |
| 19:34.28 | xand | krenin: there's different kernels |
| 19:34.48 | mainyak | simonrvn: dpkg --force-confmiss -i <missingpackage>. is this what i should do? |
| 19:34.57 | edistar_ | snowbird: your sound working yet? |
| 19:34.58 | jetscreamer | the mmx and k6-2 might just want the -486 |
| 19:35.14 | jetscreamer | you can also compile a kernel and optimize it further |
| 19:35.19 | snowbird | edistar not quite |
| 19:35.20 | jelly | krenin: do you need kernels for those machines, or really the whole distribution rebuilt? |
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| 19:35.29 | snowbird | i can force to work |
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| 19:35.46 | edistar_ | snowbird: where do you come from? |
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| 19:36.00 | snowbird | way up noth can and u? |
| 19:36.03 | jelly | jetscreamer: there's no 586tsc builds any more? |
| 19:36.05 | slapfaceware | is there dump in linux |
| 19:36.23 | edistar_ | snowbird: the netherlands |
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| 19:36.34 | snowbird | wow |
| 19:36.40 | h3sp4wn | krenin: Is it for embedded ? |
| 19:36.47 | jetscreamer | jelly: beats me.. haven't seen that in a while iirc, no idea |
| 19:36.59 | snowbird | edistar on sb live it should be sb live in mixer |
| 19:37.11 | snowbird | thats whats isue is |
| 19:37.18 | XtypeWriter74 | !multimedia |
| 19:37.28 | XtypeWriter74 | dpkg is dead? |
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| 19:37.32 | XtypeWriter74 | or asleep |
| 19:37.47 | XtypeWriter74 | tried /msg already too |
| 19:38.00 | edistar_ | hm |
| 19:38.00 | snowbird | edistar_: i read i fixed this morning |
| 19:38.10 | edistar_ | snowbird: and? |
| 19:38.11 | krenin | I want to run Debian "Gentoo-style", recompiling for specific CPU architecture. I am sure that I can do it with apt-build... |
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| 19:38.30 | krenin | But I was wondering if there are sites with the whole thing already built for different CPU architectures. |
| 19:38.42 | XtypeWriter74 | no resp. from dpkg!! |
| 19:38.45 | XtypeWriter74 | !ping |
| 19:38.45 | Pixer | Pong! |
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| 19:38.53 | snowbird | sound is next i fixed on my own |
| 19:38.58 | sneharajr | hi all |
| 19:39.03 | edistar_ | ok |
| 19:39.11 | jetscreamer | krenin: then it wouldn't be debian |
| 19:39.11 | krenin | Does anyone know where to find just a flat list of all the packages in Etch? |
| 19:39.14 | slapfaceware | is there 'dump' command in debian |
| 19:39.15 | sneharajr | is it possible to forward sms to email address ? |
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| 19:39.31 | jelly | oh well. |
| 19:39.35 | jetscreamer | krenin: yeah on debian.org or pdo |
| 19:39.42 | XtypeWriter74 | krenin, make one |
| 19:39.51 | krenin | XtypeWriter74: how? |
| 19:39.53 | jelly | ~gentoosmite krenin |
| 19:39.53 | apt | ACTION spends 5 days recompiling krenin, and when it's all done, krenin runs 0.6% faster than previously |
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| 19:40.03 | Xoris | jetscreamer: Debian offering binary packages for different CPU architectures wouldn't be Debian...? :) |
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| 19:40.21 | jetscreamer | Xoris: anything not in debian wouldn't be debian |
| 19:40.33 | jelly | Xoris: I wouldn't accept bug reports for binaries built with obscene gcc options |
| 19:40.39 | themill_ | bah.. .does freenode just hate me or is it particularly flaky in europe of late |
| 19:40.40 | Xoris | jetscreamer: i think he was asking whether it was in debian ;) |
| 19:40.41 | XtypeWriter74 | krenin you mean a list of packages in debian etch as in .txt ? |
| 19:41.04 | jetscreamer | Xoris: yeah and i answered him up there |
| 19:41.08 | krenin | XtypeWriter74: Yeah, if you can tell me an easy way to get one so that I can give it to apt-build, that would be great. |
| 19:41.12 | jetscreamer | well, as best i could |
| 19:41.13 | krenin | :) |
| 19:41.33 | krenin | Just the package names without the extensions on a flat list. |
| 19:41.40 | Xoris | krenin: what about typing apt-cache search "" with all relevant repositories enabled |
| 19:41.40 | XtypeWriter74 | krenin, ok ,thats a good idea |
| 19:41.46 | h3sp4wn | krenin: If you really want to build the whole archive you are better off setting up a buildd |
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| 19:41.55 | Nergar | hello |
| 19:41.56 | jelly | krenin: uhh, add some deb-src lines, do apt-get update, and look in /var/lib/apt/lists |
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| 19:41.58 | krenin | Xoris: OK will that do it? |
| 19:41.58 | snowbird | edistar_: brake someting i can fix i am bored |
| 19:42.09 | jetscreamer | break |
| 19:42.15 | snowbird | oh |
| 19:42.15 | Nergar | how do i ask stuff to the bot? |
| 19:42.16 | edistar_ | snowbird: hm ;) |
| 19:42.23 | krenin | OK guys, now what about the GPG signatures? Should I just ignore those and built my packages without signatures? |
| 19:42.27 | jetscreamer | brakes are on cars et al |
| 19:42.30 | Xoris | krenin: it will show all package names and their descriptions, one per line. if you don't want the descriptions, add | awk '{ print $1 }' |
| 19:42.36 | snowbird | hands edistar_ a hammer |
| 19:42.59 | Xoris | krenin: but that will be *all* the packages that are in Debian... are you sure that's what you want? |
| 19:43.04 | jelly | krenin: building for yourself, you might as well skip the signing |
| 19:43.12 | XtypeWriter74 | krenin, http://packages.debian.org/stable/allpackages.en.txt.gz |
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| 19:43.20 | cydork | krenin: seriously don't do it! |
| 19:43.24 | krenin | Xoris: Yeah I'd like to rebuild the whole thing for P-MMX, K6-2, and Athlon XP |
| 19:43.35 | jelly | cydork: why not, it's an interesting exrecise |
| 19:43.46 | Xoris | krenin: b-but... it's like 5 dvd's, do you have like an 8GHz machine? =) |
| 19:43.48 | XtypeWriter74 | krenin, got that from debian.org |
| 19:43.59 | cydork | jelly: :) |
| 19:44.01 | XtypeWriter74 | krenin, http://packages.debian.org/stable/allpackages.en.txt.gz |
| 19:44.03 | krenin | The src packages only take 3 DVD-Rs. |
| 19:44.08 | XtypeWriter74 | oopps |
| 19:44.24 | Xoris | krenin: oh well, if they *only* take three... :P |
| 19:44.51 | jelly | krenin: how many machines do you have in your build cluster? :-) |
| 19:44.52 | themill_ | krenin: need to put you in touch with the guy this morning who downloaded the entire archive so he could look over the source code for programming ideas... |
| 19:45.04 | XtypeWriter74 | krenin, is that what you are lookin for? |
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| 19:45.14 | krenin | XtypeWriter74: Thanks for the great link. |
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| 19:45.33 | krenin | jelly: It's not a cluster, just one Athlon XP. It will take a while, but that's fine; I have a while. |
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| 19:45.39 | themill_ | krenin: btw you know that there are quite a few packages that need > 1GB of free disk space to compile don't you. |
| 19:45.48 | jelly | krenin: see you in a few weeks! |
| 19:45.53 | krenin | themill_: I think I have enough space here... |
| 19:46.00 | XtypeWriter74 | krenin, your welcome! it was a question i had for a while and now finally solved with the power of a brain storm :D |
| 19:46.48 | h3sp4wn | krenin: If you are going to do it then a buildd is much more sensible - http://julien.danjou.info/buildd.html (but use stable instead of unstable) |
| 19:46.51 | cydork | krenin: /me shrugs! anyways read README.Debian provided by apt-build. |
| 19:47.26 | Nergar | how do i ask stuff to the bot? |
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| 19:47.39 | themill_ | !tell Nergar about msg the bot |
| 19:48.03 | Nergar | ?? |
| 19:48.16 | Xoris | krenin, let me at least suggest you that the script you write for it be built to allow for interrupting and resuming... :) |
| 19:48.26 | themill_ | dpkg: ping |
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| 19:48.45 | nsx | what would cause this? W: Failure trying to run: chroot /usr/chroot/lenny-ia32 dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.6-2_i386.deb |
| 19:48.46 | themill_ | !stupid bot |
| 19:48.57 | themill_ | damned thing isn't even insulting me any more.... |
| 19:49.11 | bahadunn | how do you get amavis to put a spam tag in an email subject for virtual users? |
| 19:49.15 | themill_ | Nergar: normally, just, it's just /msg dpkg |
| 19:49.21 | bahadunn | or is it possible only with local users? |
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| 19:49.27 | Nergar | it doesn't answer |
| 19:49.30 | themill_ | Nergar: but it looks like the bot has gone on holidays |
| 19:49.35 | Nergar | lol |
| 19:49.36 | krenin | h3sp4wn: Thanks; that looks like a better way to do it. |
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| 19:50.13 | krenin | I think I would like to try to make .iso sets out of the packages too; anyone know about that one? |
| 19:50.22 | krenin | Just for me to hang on to, not to distribute. |
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| 19:52.41 | krenin | Anyway, signing off. Talk to you later; thanks for the help. |
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| 19:55.43 | BSD_Tech | good afternoon |
| 19:55.48 | BSD_Tech | new to debian |
| 19:56.38 | BSD_Tech | with app-get how do I install the unstable pkgs |
| 19:56.52 | BSD_Tech | I need asterisk 1.4.9 wich you have prebuilt |
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| 19:57.05 | BSD_Tech | but never done this before |
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| 19:57.20 | BSD_Tech | diff then bsd setup |
| 19:57.25 | stew | BSD_Tech: you don't want to mix binary packages from two different versions of debian. /msg dpkg backports |
| 19:58.22 | BSD_Tech | so I then have to build it all from hand |
| 19:58.37 | mogh | are there any checks to perform if power has gone away while my machine was running? |
| 19:59.05 | blaamannz | BSD_Tech: That is what I do when I need an application that is not in one of the repositories. |
| 19:59.26 | stew | BSD_Tech: no, you can use a backport if one is available from bpo: /msg dpkg bpo ; of you can recompile the version from unstable for stable: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 20:01.00 | XtypeWriter74 | anybody now what happend to dpkg??? |
| 20:01.19 | rob19 | backports doesnt contain nginx :( :( :( |
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| 20:02.04 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: status |
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| 20:05.16 | thelostbutler | mogh: do you have an ups ? are you reffering to the a situation as to whether the system booted after a power failure ? |
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| 20:05.48 | mogh | thelostbutler: no ups, ext3 filesystem, system is an nslu2 |
| 20:06.04 | savetheWorld | Hi all, whats the debian command line equivalent to chkconfig? |
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| 20:06.30 | sebas891 | you guys know how to rebuild a system from a list of packages (/var/lib/dpkg/status) |
| 20:07.20 | savetheWorld | Or perhaps I should ask Is there a debian command line equivalent to chkconfig? |
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| 20:07.40 | thelostbutler | mogh: what is an nslu2 ? |
| 20:07.43 | deeku | savetheWorld: update-rc.d |
| 20:07.54 | savetheWorld | deeku: Thank you. :) |
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| 20:08.09 | mogh | thelostbutler: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/, a small nas-system |
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| 20:09.57 | thelostbutler | mogh: i have no idea. sorry. |
| 20:10.13 | mogh | thelostbutler: thanks anyway |
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| 20:14.39 | cr3 | is there a way to make apt-get ignore a bad gpg for a package? |
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| 20:16.00 | str1 | Supaplex: hi, any luck with the gl problem on you dual video card setup ? |
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| 20:17.15 | h3sp4wn | cr3: there is yes but why would you want to do it |
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| 20:18.20 | isleshocky77 | Anyone have a tutorial on how to get phpv5.2.3 installed on debian etch, or how to install a program from the testing repository? |
| 20:18.49 | h3sp4wn | isleshocky77: check backports.org or /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 20:18.54 | cr3 | h3sp4wn: because the problem occurs on development branches when I first download the Release file and then the package, but the package gets updated in between those two downloads |
| 20:18.59 | Supaplex | str1: no. I stick with last weeks config. *bleh* for now. I was going to find the community of that x11 option/extention etc, just not now. |
| 20:19.03 | isleshocky77 | I did. They only have 5.2.0-8+etch8 |
| 20:19.03 | h3sp4wn | cr3: apt-get --allow-unauthenticated |
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| 20:19.23 | NsOmNiAc | can someone refresh my memory real quick on resetting the monitor resolution only have access to text right now |
| 20:19.32 | h3sp4wn | cr3: or APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 1 ; in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 20:19.47 | cr3 | h3sp4wn: cheers! |
| 20:20.07 | isleshocky77 | h3sp4wn: backports only has php 5.2.0-8+etch8 |
| 20:20.10 | str1 | Supaplex: ok because i read online about a guy that had same experience with xinerama on... ie no GL acceleration on main monitor and no GL rendering at all on second monitor... thats what we're both seeing |
| 20:20.38 | str1 | Supaplex: anyway ill let you know if i come up with anything |
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| 20:21.31 | h3sp4wn | isleshocky77: you would have to backport it yourself then or switch fully to lenny |
| 20:21.51 | isleshocky77 | h3sp4wn: There is no way of using just one program from testing? |
| 20:22.46 | h3sp4wn | isleshocky77: Not in this case you would need the testing libc |
| 20:22.57 | ezguy | hi, i forgot what the name of program that create the /dev/? device interface automatically. any ideas? |
| 20:23.10 | h3sp4wn | ezguy: udev |
| 20:23.15 | ezguy | thanks |
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| 20:24.22 | isleshocky77 | h3sp4wn: How do I switch my machine to testing? |
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| 20:24.44 | h3sp4wn | isleshocky77: Is it a externally accessible server ? |
| 20:24.44 | isleshocky77 | h3sp4wn: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change deb and deb-src ?? |
| 20:24.49 | antgel | isleshocky77: IYHTAYS |
| 20:24.50 | isleshocky77 | no. |
| 20:25.05 | isleshocky77 | It's my local development machine on my laptop. |
| 20:25.23 | h3sp4wn | isleshocky77: perl -pi.bak -e 's/etch/lenny/i' /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:25.37 | h3sp4wn | isleshocky77: swap etch with stable if that is what you have in there |
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| 20:25.59 | isleshocky77 | h3sp4wn: That's what I thought. |
| 20:26.14 | h3sp4wn | isleshocky77: use aptitude and dist-upgrade |
| 20:26.15 | isleshocky77 | antgel: Thanks. I'll take not. |
| 20:26.31 | isleshocky77 | h3sp4wn: Yeah, I know that part. I was just making sure. |
| 20:26.31 | rob19 | if i install etch for the first time and plan to stick with stable do i still need to do a dist-upgrade once i update? to get the latest security patches or whatever from etch/security. little confused |
| 20:26.48 | h3sp4wn | rob19: just upgrade would be sufficient |
| 20:26.49 | antgel | rob19: yes |
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| 20:27.51 | yos | how can i get my " strace " out_put_log . strace -t -p 3728 > log.txt Dont work. |
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| 20:28.13 | Supaplex | str1: yeah, find the community hotspot for xinerama and dig into their bugs list to see why. I bet it's there. (or start with the debian bts and find an upstream reference/report) |
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| 20:28.27 | crono | is there an easy way to find out the memory bus speed |
| 20:28.35 | Elad3 | hello, someone can help me to install nvidia driver on kernel 2.6.22 ? it's tell me that " The kernel header file '/usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h' does not" |
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| 20:30.52 | Bushmills | yos, 2> log.txt |
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| 20:31.22 | yos | Bushmills strace -t -p 3728 2> log.txt ? |
| 20:31.27 | yos | >> |
| 20:31.30 | Octopssy | How come I'm not able create a new ntfs partition in gparted in debian-gnome |
| 20:31.44 | Bushmills | yos, right |
| 20:31.47 | str1 | Supaplex: just a sec... check this page http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0150048402/linux/Multiple_Nvidia_Multiple_Head.html#Ch_III |
| 20:32.09 | str1 | Supaplex: search for "To make things clear:" and read the 4 small bullet points |
| 20:32.46 | Elad3 | someone is using nvidia driver on kernel 2.6.22 ? |
| 20:32.47 | yos | Process 3728 attached - interrupt to quit |
| 20:32.59 | h3sp4wn | Elad3: yeah but I am using the nvidia-glx that is in sid |
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| 20:33.07 | AKX | themill_: Moving the hard drive succeeded :) |
| 20:33.12 | AKX | Or moving the data, heh. |
| 20:33.17 | Elad3 | h3sp4wn, ohh I see... |
| 20:33.42 | h3sp4wn | Elad3: you could do a backport (nvidia-graphics-drivers is the source package |
| 20:34.28 | yos | Bushmills dont work. "Process 3728 attached - interrupt to quit" |
| 20:34.47 | Elad3 | h3sp4wn, what do u mean? |
| 20:34.59 | h3sp4wn | ~simple sid backport |
| 20:35.00 | apt | hmm... simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :) |
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| 20:35.54 | h3sp4wn | the source packagename being nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 20:36.23 | Supaplex | str1: sweet. bookmarked, skimmed, and ready for later review |
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| 20:37.56 | Octopssy | hmm, noone has an idea how come I'm not able create a new ntfs partition in gparted in debian-gnome ? |
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| 20:38.02 | Elad3 | h3sp4wn, I will try.. thanks |
| 20:38.19 | saas | hi. I got the problem, that after selecting apt/security and upgrading my apache lost the ability to run php scripts. what could cause this ? |
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| 20:42.38 | sinthetek | when running mkinitrd i'm getting a 'no such file or directory' error from find regarding scsi modules |
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| 20:43.25 | stew | sinthetek: dont' use mkinitrd with recent kernels, use mkinitramfs from initramfs-tools or yaird if you are trying to avoid udev |
| 20:43.29 | sinthetek | my system doesn't have any scsi hardware and i don't see any other errors but i'm unsure whether the initrd image was built properly |
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| 20:44.02 | sinthetek | stew: hrm... ok, will do |
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| 20:45.05 | sinthetek | crap, i can't install that package due to dep errors :\ |
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| 20:46.10 | databuddy | whats the default kernel for /testing/ ? |
| 20:46.15 | sinthetek | do you think the find output means the initrd build failed or just the scsi functionality was omitted? |
| 20:46.33 | databuddy | er /lenny/ |
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| 20:47.27 | h3sp4wn | databuddy: 2.6.21 |
| 20:47.44 | h3sp4wn | databuddy: (at this moment in time) |
| 20:47.46 | sinthetek | i guess i can just try it and see and then hook up the monitor and keyboard if i'm wrong |
| 20:48.22 | h3sp4wn | sinthetek: It is almost 100% certain to fail |
| 20:48.26 | blommer | Anyone knows a nice gui live bandwidth monitor? |
| 20:48.34 | stew | sinthetek: mkinitrd uses devfs, which was removed from linux startin in 2.6.13, so its not valid to try to use it with a newer kernel |
| 20:48.43 | stew | sinthetek: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 20:49.59 | sinthetek | somewhere between etch and sid i think, heh |
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| 20:50.49 | sinthetek | tried dist-upgrade without realizing 2.6 was necessary and none of the pre-packaged 2.6 kernels will boot on my system |
| 20:50.49 | stew | sinthetek: if you show us the dependency errors, perhaps we could help you fix those |
| 20:50.52 | stew | oh |
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| 20:52.04 | sinthetek | could i build the initrd on my sister's ubuntu system do you think or would there likely be lib incompatibilities there as well? |
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| 20:54.33 | databuddy | h3sp4wn: ah no coretemp in there i think |
| 20:55.02 | h3sp4wn | databuddy: no idea sorry |
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| 20:55.18 | databuddy | [i'm fairly certain its in the 2.6.22-xx] |
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| 20:57.22 | Assid | hi |
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| 20:57.41 | Assid | how do i get apt to increase the simultanous connections while updating? |
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| 20:57.54 | Assid | so i can do 3 threads per server |
| 20:58.49 | Octopssy | whats a good debian music player? |
| 20:58.55 | karsten | sinthetek: /join #ubuntu |
| 20:59.07 | antgel | Octopssy: /msg dpkg polls |
| 20:59.26 | karsten | Octopssy: xmms, amorak, play, ogg123 |
| 20:59.34 | karsten | Octopssy: or apt-cache search music player |
| 20:59.48 | Octopssy | i mean with a good nice gui for in gnome |
| 20:59.49 | twiggz | audacious > xmms |
| 20:59.55 | twiggz | gtk1 = unessecary |
| 21:00.07 | twiggz | Octopssy: quod libet |
| 21:00.13 | twiggz | i like quod libet in gnome. |
| 21:00.17 | twiggz | or audacious. |
| 21:00.39 | Octopssy | ok |
| 21:00.41 | Octopssy | lets see |
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| 21:01.09 | karsten | Octopssy: aptitude search gnome music player |
| 21:01.28 | wisp | yo guys. have anyone in here sucessully gotten obconf (OpenBox configuration tool) to install/run under Debian Lenny/Sid ? |
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| 21:01.36 | databuddy | quod libet gets unstable for me around 15-17k tracks |
| 21:01.38 | databuddy | ;_; |
| 21:01.45 | luke-jr | How can I downgrade a package that was part of an 'aptitude update'? |
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| 21:01.54 | karsten | !downgrade |
| 21:02.02 | karsten | @downgrade |
| 21:02.04 | ravenbird | rumour has it, downgrade is not possible with apt-get at the moment and probably never will be supported because why would you want to downgrade in the first place? Not possible because some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later...but if you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read ... |
| 21:02.07 | luke-jr | ... |
| 21:02.16 | SerajewelKS | i'm having issues getting an onboard nic to work: pciid 1106:3065 r78 |
| 21:02.23 | luke-jr | why? because Debian bumped Squid from 2.5 to 2.6 and 2.6 doesn't work |
| 21:02.40 | SerajewelKS | google isn't forthcoming on issues. the orange light on the card blinks, so the card is working. just linux can't talk to it for some reason. |
| 21:02.59 | h3sp4wn | luke-jr: squid 2.6 on etch is working fine for me |
| 21:03.22 | luke-jr | h3sp4wn: as a reverse proxy rewriting URIs? |
| 21:04.35 | h3sp4wn | luke-jr: no just a standard proxy - I have had it transparantly proxying port 80 |
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| 21:05.02 | h3sp4wn | dunno exactly what you mean by reverse |
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| 21:05.24 | luke-jr | h3sp4wn: on the server side |
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| 21:06.05 | h3sp4wn | luke-jr: with machines behind it caching static content ? |
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| 21:06.29 | luke-jr | er, Squid is the cache |
| 21:06.36 | luke-jr | the machines behind it generate dynamic content |
| 21:06.40 | luke-jr | with expirations |
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| 21:07.28 | SerajewelKS | ok nevermind it got brought up as eth1 instead |
| 21:07.48 | SerajewelKS | i just got a new system, amd64 dual-core. what's the easiest way to upgrade a lenny system to use amd64? |
| 21:08.13 | h3sp4wn | luke-jr: yeah, should have written - with machines behind it, (with squid) caching static content ? (but I know what you mean now) |
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| 21:08.23 | mesof | does anyone use snownews? |
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| 21:08.36 | SerajewelKS | and which kernel do i want to use both cores |
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| 21:09.03 | SerajewelKS | !amd64 |
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| 21:09.18 | SerajewelKS | <_< |
| 21:09.19 | mesof | SerajewelKS: which processor do you have, amd64? |
| 21:09.22 | creature | Hello. I have 1.5Gb of RAM in my system, which is reported correctly by my POST when I boot. But free -m shows I have 884Mb of RAM. What gives? |
| 21:09.27 | h3sp4wn | SerajewelKS: You cannot really very easily switch to the amd64 arch |
| 21:09.28 | SerajewelKS | mesof: amd64 dual core |
| 21:09.38 | mesof | SerajewelKS: i use 2.6.22-1 |
| 21:09.52 | SerajewelKS | switching from athlon xp (32 bit, single core) |
| 21:09.58 | cahoot | creature, get a 686 kernel |
| 21:10.02 | SerajewelKS | do i need an smp kernel to utilize both cores? |
| 21:10.15 | mesof | SerajewelKS: i suggest the nvidia kernel 2.6.22-1 |
| 21:10.18 | creature | cahoot: Linux aquila 2.6.16.20creature #1 Sat Sep 2 12:02:12 BST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:10.19 | h3sp4wn | SerajewelKS: use k7 kernel |
| 21:10.27 | mesof | -amd* |
| 21:10.27 | SerajewelKS | h3sp4wn: k7? not 64? |
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| 21:10.52 | h3sp4wn | SerajewelKS: I don't think its worth the hassle unless you reinstall with pure64 |
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| 21:11.17 | SerajewelKS | h3sp4wn: hmm, there's no way to have apt reinstall everything from amd64? using a livecd if necessary. |
| 21:11.18 | h3sp4wn | SerajewelKS: the -amd64 kernel is a 64 bit kernel but 64 bit kernel with 32 bit userland for me had alot of problems |
| 21:11.26 | cahoot | creature, debian kernel or custom made? |
| 21:11.29 | mesof | 2.6.22-1-amd64, but SerajewelKS i think you can only get that from unstable/sid |
| 21:11.29 | creature | Is it possible the RAM is marginal? It's reported OK by the BIOS but it's not 'good enough' to use. |
| 21:11.56 | creature | cahoot: Custom made. But, and I hate to utter a truism, but this worked fine before and I haven't recompiled or anything. |
| 21:11.57 | SerajewelKS | mesof: i am using -k7 from sid right now |
| 21:12.01 | h3sp4wn | SerajewelKS: for me with alsa and iptables (but highly likely with binary drivers also) |
| 21:12.06 | kenji | who can I disconnect to some netstat output to ssh? |
| 21:12.09 | creature | I'm half tempted to try reseating it. |
| 21:12.16 | x_link | 2.6.21-2-k7 is in Testing as well. |
| 21:12.48 | SerajewelKS | h3sp4wn: if i do want to convert my box to amd64 arch can you give me a starting point? |
| 21:12.56 | mesof | SerajewelKS: ah wonderful, this should be easy for you then, well unless you have to build the nvidia driver to match, which is what i had to do, but it was actually easy with help from everyone here |
| 21:13.15 | SerajewelKS | mesof: i have the nvidia driver built but i'm not sure what that's got to do with anything |
| 21:13.23 | SerajewelKS | mesof: i never even mentioned that i use nvidia |
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| 21:13.47 | mesof | SerajewelKS: the nvidia driver kernel has to match that of your processor kernel in model |
| 21:13.55 | mesof | SerajewelKS: i'm just mentioning from my experience |
| 21:14.10 | h3sp4wn | SerajewelKS: and with the case of the amd64 kernel has to be built with the 64 bit compiler it was built with |
| 21:14.22 | karsten | SerajewelKS: orange light, NIC? |
| 21:14.25 | h3sp4wn | and I don't even know whether that is in the archive |
| 21:14.45 | creature | cahoot: Any further ideas? |
| 21:14.55 | SerajewelKS | karsten: nevermind, the module brought up eth0 and eth1 but then destroyed eth0, so the card was eth1 |
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| 21:15.04 | SerajewelKS | karsten: just had to sed on /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:15.05 | h3sp4wn | SerajewelKS: I would just use !debian clone |
| 21:15.26 | SerajewelKS | h3sp4wn: except dpkg is down =/ |
| 21:15.26 | cahoot | creature, not really if it's true what you say |
| 21:15.26 | h3sp4wn | SerajewelKS: get a simple amd64 and put everything back from that |
| 21:15.29 | SerajewelKS | ~debian clone |
| 21:15.29 | apt | ACTION tells clone to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! |
| 21:15.35 | SerajewelKS | O_o |
| 21:15.38 | karsten | SerajewelKS: OK. |
| 21:15.52 | SerajewelKS | h3sp4wn: eh i'm not sure it's worth it now, according to this faq it can't be easily done |
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| 21:16.26 | smhar | hello freinds |
| 21:16.31 | h3sp4wn | SerajewelKS: dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile |
| 21:16.34 | Trewas | creature: sounds like you have a kernel without highmem enabled |
| 21:16.38 | creature | cahoot: The machine also hung on the last boot (I had to power off then on again), so perhaps it is an intermittent contact. |
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| 21:16.45 | creature | Trewas: AFAIK highmem is for > 4Gb. |
| 21:16.50 | h3sp4wn | SerajewelKS: once the base system is installed - dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 21:17.04 | Trewas | creature: the default options only work up to ~900MB |
| 21:17.11 | SerajewelKS | h3sp4wn: nod |
| 21:17.18 | stew | creature: there are 3 settings, <1gb, 1-4gb, 4-64gb |
| 21:17.33 | SerajewelKS | h3sp4wn: assuming that i have -k7 installed already from unstable, do i need anything else for linux to see both cores? |
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| 21:17.44 | h3sp4wn | SerajewelKS: should see them already |
| 21:17.47 | smhar | I want to install debian etch on an old computer replacing slackware 10, it has a faulty CD drive, so I downloaded the 5 floppy images from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current//images/floppy/ and burned them. |
| 21:17.49 | h3sp4wn | SerajewelKS: look at /proc/cpuinfo |
| 21:17.55 | SerajewelKS | h3sp4wn: nod, just did, it sees them |
| 21:18.01 | xingu | SerajewelKS: nb, dpkg --get-selections ... reboot ... dpkg --set-selections |
| 21:18.29 | smhar | my / partition is using reiserfs and I want to keep it this way, but it seems the the installation floppies do not support this fs |
| 21:18.33 | xingu | SerajewelKS: not an upgrade per-se, but reinstalls the same package list at least. |
| 21:18.35 | smhar | any tip on this? |
| 21:18.35 | SerajewelKS | h3sp4wn: do you think i could do it from a livecd on this system? |
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| 21:18.53 | kenji | how can I kill a ssh conection? |
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| 21:19.08 | SerajewelKS | kenji: look at pstree, find the one you want to kill, and kill it |
| 21:19.28 | h3sp4wn | SerajewelKS: probably if everything is in one partition it could be a pain |
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| 21:19.51 | creature | OK, you are right. I have highmem support off. I presume I have to recompile to change this. |
| 21:19.53 | h3sp4wn | SerajewelKS: It took me about 30 mins I think |
| 21:19.54 | kenji | SerajewelKS I don't see ssh in the pstree output |
| 21:20.00 | creature | If you want to sell me on the value of using a stock kernel, now's the time... |
| 21:20.06 | SerajewelKS | kenji: you mean an ssh client or server? |
| 21:20.16 | creature | I've always been dubious but I'm feeling pliable tonight. |
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| 21:20.25 | SerajewelKS | h3sp4wn: hrm |
| 21:20.30 | kenji | SerajewelKS I wanna kill a client |
| 21:20.40 | SerajewelKS | kenji: ah, then ps ax | grep ssh |
| 21:20.43 | antgel | creature: less pain, less time wasted on pointless things |
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| 21:20.50 | SerajewelKS | kenji: get the pid, kill it |
| 21:20.59 | h3sp4wn | creature: No preempt though on any official Debian kernel |
| 21:21.03 | kenji | Serajewetnks |
| 21:21.08 | SerajewelKS | h3sp4wn: i'd love to experiment but this isn't a test box :) |
| 21:21.10 | SerajewelKS | kenji: np |
| 21:21.16 | antgel | h3sp4wn: good point |
| 21:21.22 | creature | h3sp4wn: How much of an issue is that on single-core machines? |
| 21:21.42 | kenji | SerajewelKS I see a rare ssh conection |
| 21:21.46 | h3sp4wn | creature: depends what you use it for |
| 21:21.49 | kenji | in netstat -ta |grep ssh |
| 21:21.53 | kenji | I wanna kill that conection |
| 21:22.27 | creature | kenji: I think you can kill its shell, and that'll kill the connection. Maybe. |
| 21:22.29 | h3sp4wn | creature: With my current custom kernel I can hammer the machine and it always is responsive and music never skips |
| 21:22.34 | SerajewelKS | kenji: netstat -plunt | grep ssh |
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| 21:22.40 | SerajewelKS | kenji: you should get the pid on the far right |
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| 21:22.49 | creature | h3sp4wn: What's your pre-emptive setting? Or is it a custom thing rather than one of the profiles? |
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| 21:23.24 | kenji | SerajewelKS root@www:~# netstat -plunt |grep ssh |
| 21:23.24 | kenji | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3887/sshd |
| 21:23.24 | kenji | root@www:~# |
| 21:23.30 | smhar | so how to get reiserfs support in installation floppies? |
| 21:23.35 | h3sp4wn | creature: low latency desktop - but I am using 2.6.22 (with the -ck patch for that kernel) and a 1000Hz timer |
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| 21:24.04 | h3sp4wn | creature: best my machine has ever worked - but now the patchset is discontinued |
| 21:24.12 | SerajewelKS | kenji: then no ssh client is running |
| 21:24.13 | h3sp4wn | (will be as of 2.6.23 anyway) |
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| 21:24.35 | kenji | Serajewe Im connected |
| 21:24.40 | kenji | SerajewelKS |
| 21:24.54 | kenji | I wanna kill this tcp 0 0 www:ssh dsl-189-168-138-9:61544 ESTABLISHED |
| 21:26.02 | creature | How good is the kernel migration stuff these days? That is, can I 'make oldconfig' or whatever it is from my 2.6.16 kernel on a 2.6.22 kernel and just get asked about new stuff OK? |
| 21:26.23 | h3sp4wn | creature: yeah you can - some stuff has moved around though |
| 21:26.25 | karsten | creature: Sure. |
| 21:26.53 | SerajewelKS | kenji: add -p to the netstat command you used there |
| 21:26.58 | SerajewelKS | kenji: you'll see the pid on the right |
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| 21:27.35 | creature | h3sp4wn: It's been a while since I've done that and I've not done it very often. Will it flag the bits that have changed? |
| 21:27.38 | SerajewelKS | kenji: according to that it's a connection *from* your port 22, meaning you want to kill one of the server processes |
| 21:27.49 | SerajewelKS | kenji: if you kill just that pid you shouldn't lose any other clients |
| 21:27.56 | smhar | so how to get reiserfs support in installation floppies? |
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| 21:28.11 | kenji | how can I do it SerajewelKS |
| 21:28.13 | kenji | ? |
| 21:28.28 | SerajewelKS | kenji: use the same exact netstat command you used there but add -p |
| 21:28.38 | SerajewelKS | kenji: and paste the line corresponding to the connection you want to die |
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| 21:29.44 | Trewas | creature: make oldconfig between that far apart kernel versions will ask a few thousand questions, it gets annoying even when going from 2.6.x to 2.6.x+1 :) |
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| 21:30.15 | h3sp4wn | creature: If its quite minimal as it is then it won't ask too many |
| 21:30.32 | h3sp4wn | (well important ones anyway) |
| 21:30.34 | stew | Trewas: "make oldconfig < /dev/null" will take the default on all questions |
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| 21:30.49 | Trewas | yeah most are irrelevant drivers etc so they are safe to say N to |
| 21:30.57 | Trewas | or just hit enter |
| 21:31.20 | kenji | SerajewelKS http://rafb.net/p/CykWFa97.html |
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| 21:32.41 | creature | OK, will do. |
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| 21:33.29 | mikess | Does Debian make a live cd? |
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| 21:34.37 | creature | It would be nice if someone made a kind of 'kernel feature diff' site that summarised the major changes. |
| 21:34.39 | karsten | !livecd |
| 21:34.43 | karsten | ~livecd |
| 21:34.44 | apt | somebody said livecd was at http://sourceforge.net/projects/kasterx/ |
| 21:34.51 | creature | So I could say 'I'm on Kernel 2.6.16, I'm moving to 2.6.22, what do I benefit from this?' |
| 21:34.54 | SerajewelKS | kenji: ok, which one do you want to kill then |
| 21:35.01 | karsten | creature: You mean like teh changelogs at kernel.org? |
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| 21:35.26 | mikess | karsten: cheers |
| 21:35.36 | kenji | SerajewelKS I wanna kill this tcp 0 0 www:ssh dsl-189-168-138-9:61544 ESTABLISHED10001/sshd: michoac |
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| 21:35.58 | creature | karsten: No, I mean more user-level than that. |
| 21:36.09 | kenji | SerajewelKS how can I kill that conection? |
| 21:36.49 | kenji | SerajewelKS hurry they are in our server :S please |
| 21:37.11 | SerajewelKS | kenji: kill 10001 |
| 21:37.43 | SerajewelKS | kenji: see: ESTABLISHED10001/sshd: michoac |
| 21:37.53 | SerajewelKS | kenji: 10001 is the pid, sshd is the process name |
| 21:38.35 | creature | Shut down the ssh daemon! |
| 21:38.54 | creature | (Only if it's a local machine, obv.) |
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| 21:39.59 | karsten | creature: You can check the kernel release notices at LWN, but I think that's a little _too_ superficial. |
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| 21:42.05 | karsten | creature: Eg: http://lwn.net/Articles/244320/ |
| 21:43.05 | creature | I'll check it out. |
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| 21:44.21 | kenji | SerajewelKS tnks |
| 21:44.23 | kenji | :D |
| 21:44.35 | creature | "Create deprecated sysfs files" ? |
| 21:44.39 | SerajewelKS | kenji: np |
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| 21:50.47 | creature | "Initial RAM filesystem and RAM disk (initramfs/initrd) support (BLK_DEV_INITRD)" ? If I turn this on, do I *have* to use initrd to boot my kernel or do I have the option? |
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| 21:50.59 | stew | creature: no |
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| 21:52.24 | creature | stew: Sorry, that answer's a bit ambiguous... |
| 21:52.41 | stew | creature: oh, sorry. i meant. no you don't have to. |
| 21:53.13 | stew | creature: if you enable it, initramfs will be an option, not a requirement |
| 21:53.15 | SerajewelKS | when i try to use gpg i get this message: gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use |
| 21:53.28 | SerajewelKS | this is keeping enigmail from working. i've tried killing the agent and logging in again, no use. |
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| 21:57.07 | pmvalente | hello, need help, when I shut down my debian etch it hangs (gray screen with lines) |
| 21:57.40 | epsilon_ | something in log? |
| 21:58.34 | LV-426 | a module [pciback] doesn't show when lsmod'ing from a xen-kernal debian system - how can i tell if it was directly compiled into the kernel ? |
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| 21:59.07 | fasta | !kernal |
| 21:59.45 | creature | How do I find out what version of glibc I'm running? |
| 22:00.05 | epsilon_ | checl the ackage you installed? |
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| 22:00.11 | epsilon_ | *package |
| 22:00.30 | streuner | creature: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 22:00.31 | js_ | creature: try dpkg -l 'libc6*' |
| 22:00.32 | epsilon_ | dpkg --get-selections '*' |
| 22:00.58 | epsilon_ | .oO 3 debianers, 1 idea |
| 22:01.02 | creature | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 22:01.13 | epsilon_ | there you go |
| 22:01.14 | streuner | etch/stable |
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| 22:02.46 | streuner | dpkg: hi |
| 22:02.46 | dpkg | bonjour, streuner |
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| 22:02.58 | themill | hey, it's back |
| 22:03.30 | themill | dpkg: say sorry I went away and I promise not to do that again. |
| 22:03.30 | dpkg | sorry I went away and I promise not to do that again. |
| 22:03.34 | themill | that's better |
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| 22:04.21 | themill | btw, what happened to the bot? |
| 22:04.42 | streuner | dpkg hat die Verbindung getrennt (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 22:05.03 | themill | hmmm.... so freenode is up to its tricks again |
| 22:05.10 | stew | themill: she just gets sick from time to time from overuse. the code could use a major overhaul, but its old nasty perl that people generally don't want to spend time on |
| 22:05.12 | eleckttruss | any software same to gnome-blog pero para kde? |
| 22:05.30 | stew | themill: no, not freenode, the bot was hung, it disconnecting was it being restarted |
| 22:05.52 | antgel | !botabuse |
| 22:05.52 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 22:05.56 | themill | has dpkg been yo-yo-ing or has it been offline for almost 3 hours |
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| 22:06.10 | stew | themill: its been online and not responding |
| 22:06.15 | themill | ahh |
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| 22:06.53 | themill | I've been having a rough time with freenode of late. Particularly today, actually. |
| 22:07.05 | themill | So I was guessing that dpkg was too... |
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| 22:07.36 | themill | OK. so they're just picking on me. hmmph. |
| 22:07.58 | jelly | dpkg, gleep |
| 22:07.58 | dpkg | ~gleep |
| 22:07.59 | apt | !gleep |
| 22:08.06 | jelly | meh! |
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| 22:08.40 | jelly | curse you, blootbot author! |
| 22:08.40 | subx | if i type 'id' this is what happens, why is there a extra '1000' at the end? |
| 22:08.42 | subx | uid=502(subx) gid=1000 groups=20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),502(subx),1000 |
| 22:09.12 | subx | 502(subx),1000 <-- strange |
| 22:09.23 | themill | your group of 1000 is listed in /etc/passwd but not /etc/group |
| 22:09.25 | jelly | dpkg, say ~forget gleep |
| 22:09.25 | dpkg | ~forget gleep |
| 22:09.25 | apt | i forgot gleep, dpkg |
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| 22:09.55 | subx | aye thanks :D |
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| 22:11.03 | Vegar | when compiling for 64-bit on a 32-bit system, I get this error: |
| 22:11.05 | Vegar | /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.3/../../../../lib/crt1.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output |
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| 22:11.29 | pae | hello |
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| 22:11.40 | Vegar | I have installed libc6-dev-amd64, which has the 64-bit crt1.o file |
| 22:11.43 | Vegar | but gcc won't use it |
| 22:11.47 | pmvalente | someone help me please, when I sht down my system it hangs (grey screen with white lines), it must be unplugged do shut down, what did I do wrong, help please. |
| 22:11.55 | pae | first question: how do I set a qwertz qeymap in gdm? |
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| 22:12.11 | pae | *keymap |
| 22:12.28 | jelly | pae: which language? |
| 22:12.32 | pae | croatian |
| 22:12.34 | pae | hr_hr |
| 22:12.37 | Vegar | pae: set it in the Xorg config |
| 22:13.16 | pae | I have to do that while xorg is not running? |
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| 22:13.36 | Vegar | no, you can edit the file while xorg is running |
| 22:13.39 | jelly | pae: no, but you'll need to restart it to take effect |
| 22:13.48 | pae | ok |
| 22:13.50 | jelly | Vegar: and there's no need to edit manually |
| 22:14.14 | jelly | pae: if you haven't edited it manually yet, look at /msg dpkg drxx |
| 22:14.15 | Vegar | ah, my mistake |
| 22:14.33 | Vegar | I'm used to editing by hand because my mouse is using evdev |
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| 22:15.45 | pmvalente | someone help me please, when I sht down my system it hangs (grey screen with white lines), it must be unplugged do shut down, what did I do wrong, help please. |
| 22:15.54 | pae | next question: what do I need to have in sources.list to be able to install nvidia drivers? I've been following instructions from the wiki, but I get a error saying that something is missing in that file, but I have contrib and non-free next to my repository |
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| 22:17.29 | themill | have you run an aptitude update since modifying your sources.list? |
| 22:17.37 | pae | wait... |
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| 22:19.59 | pae | themill: ah, it works now, thanks :) |
| 22:20.01 | fasta | When is this vapourware of open graphics drivers from AMD going to be released? |
| 22:20.15 | themill | "when it's ready" |
| 22:20.25 | fasta | Did they mention a date? |
| 22:20.52 | fasta | themill: That's what open-source hippies who only hack on software in their spare-time say. |
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| 22:21.01 | gkiagia | maybe in 10 years..... |
| 22:21.04 | fasta | themill: large companies don't usually say that. |
| 22:21.10 | themill | date... no just something about the heat-death of the universe |
| 22:21.33 | jelly | fasta: not a debian specific issue, is it |
| 22:21.37 | fasta | jelly: no |
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| 22:21.59 | jelly | fasta: r300 isn't good enough for you? |
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| 22:22.55 | pmvalente | someone help me please, when I shut down my system it hangs (grey screen with white lines), it must be unplugged do shut down, what did I do wrong, help please. |
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| 22:23.22 | fasta | jelly: when I buy hardware having features X, Y and Z, I don't want it to only have the open-source driver feature X. |
| 22:23.36 | mavhc | fasta: buy old hardware then |
| 22:23.37 | fasta | jelly: open-source drivers hould have _more_ features. |
| 22:23.49 | fasta | jelly: otherwise, it's pointless to use open drivers. |
| 22:24.00 | Bushmills | fasta, add the features |
| 22:24.06 | jelly | fasta: it's a matter of priorities. |
| 22:24.10 | themill | Bushmills: show me the specs |
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| 22:24.18 | fasta | jelly: apart from any philosophical issues, that is. |
| 22:24.39 | Bushmills | fasta, it was you to desire features x,y and z of the device you choose |
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| 22:25.09 | fasta | I wonder how long it will be before hardware will not be able to be reverse-engineered anymore. |
| 22:25.26 | jelly | fasta: my priorities was to have open drivers with worked in Linux, so I bought a machine w/ Intel graphics |
| 22:25.28 | kyevan | is cupsys broken in sid, or something? It keeps erroring on me as aptitude trys to install it |
| 22:25.37 | streuner | yes |
| 22:25.38 | fasta | I guess within 10 years reverse-engineering graphic drivers will be dead. |
| 22:25.45 | infinity0 | uhm, is there a scheduled release date for Debian GNU/Hurd? |
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| 22:25.51 | streuner | kyesvan: look at BTS |
| 22:26.08 | streuner | kyevan |
| 22:26.19 | fasta | That is assuming there are intelligent people walking around the various manufacturers. |
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| 22:26.37 | fasta | (and considering the trend towards absolute control by vendors) |
| 22:26.44 | jelly | fasta: you haven't answered the question regarding the r300 driver though. The xorg people say it works rather well for cards up to say X800 - X850 |
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| 22:27.16 | xingu | fasta: within 3-3y intel will have a credible 3d core with opensource drivers |
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| 22:27.26 | themill | jelly: yeah... I have an X1400 so that doesn't really help :( |
| 22:27.34 | jelly | xingu: and still no discrete card? :-) |
| 22:27.51 | xingu | fasta: nvidia is stealing their hpc customers to a certain degree; intel's floating point still sucks, it turns out. |
| 22:27.53 | fasta | jelly: I have the same stance as you; I would pick a fully features open-driver over anything else (in this case Intel) |
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| 22:28.42 | xingu | jelly: http://www.nvidia.com/page/quadroplex.html |
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| 22:28.54 | fasta | xingu: what are the main applications of floating point operations? |
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| 22:29.14 | xingu | fasta: anything involving numerical modelling |
| 22:29.19 | jelly | themill: I've got an xpress 200M to work with newest r300 git, now I have "AIGLX enabled" on the log :-) |
| 22:29.29 | fasta | xingu: yes, I thought so. I am not much into that :) |
| 22:29.46 | xingu | fasta: you're not, but the HPC world is - and they're the F1 of computing. |
| 22:30.00 | themill | fasta: things like http://www.nvidia.com/object/tesla_deskside.html |
| 22:30.09 | fasta | xingu: yes, they want to compute things that cannot be computed. |
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| 22:30.20 | fasta | xingu: aka approximation. |
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| 22:30.42 | jelly | xingu: I hate people who misuse quantum leaps! |
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| 22:30.48 | themill | jelly: there is hope... but I understand that the X1400 and friends are a long way off still even for 2D. Some bollox about an nda. |
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| 22:31.06 | kyevan | streuner: Ohheh, that bug report's been filed since I started fighting with it >_> |
| 22:31.10 | jelly | themill: the avivo driver does 2D afaiui |
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| 22:31.13 | kyevan | And it looks like it's been FIXED, too. |
| 22:31.19 | xingu | fasta: so anyway, it's in intel's best interests to not lose the HPC market so soon after aquiring it; I'm sure they'll have a credible 3d engine soon, and I'm quietly confident it'll turn out to be running linux opensource GL (or a successor of) well. |
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| 22:32.16 | fasta | xingu: that thing is heavy :) |
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| 22:32.18 | xingu | fasta: but jelly's right, it's likely to be tightly coupled to intel chipsets... |
| 22:32.21 | fasta | xingu: nearly 9 kilos |
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| 22:32.54 | xingu | fasta: yep; but then again it replaces an onyx2, which you need a forklift to move... |
| 22:32.55 | themill | jelly: sounds promising |
| 22:33.11 | fasta | The GPL should enforce that released code doesn't look like spaghetti. |
| 22:33.14 | kyevan | Soo... ATI xpress200 (not m)... has there been any news on drivers for it recentlyish? (Either ati or fglrx) |
| 22:33.29 | fasta | It's "open", but completely undocumented. |
| 22:33.36 | fasta | Then it's still worthless. |
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| 22:34.13 | jelly | kyevan: 2d still works! (and sorry, my card's not m) |
| 22:34.27 | kyevan | fasta: Well, if their coders use it, the GPL can't say anything |
| 22:34.33 | xingu | fasta: intel is not a software company; they capture markets with high performance general purpose designs and make moolah big time on peripherals and patents. |
| 22:34.45 | fasta | kyevan: that's kind of hard to prove, isn't it? |
| 22:35.03 | kyevan | But if they used other GPLed source, legaly, they have to release their prefered modification thing, so intentional obfuciation before release ISN'T allowed already. |
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| 22:35.26 | kyevan | If I read the GPL right, anyway |
| 22:35.36 | fasta | kyevan: I know that, but that's hard to prove. |
| 22:36.04 | kyevan | I'm not a lawyer. I'm not your lawyer. Heck, I'll probably never be a lawyer. Yada yada yada, this isn't legal advice, all your base are belong to Gordon Freeman, etc. |
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| 22:36.20 | jelly | kyevan: for some "ati" news, there's tirdc.livejournal.com |
| 22:36.58 | bkw | Can I add a new entery to hosts.allow with a custom port? ie "5050 : IP : allow" ? |
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| 22:37.11 | onur_ | how can i use proxy server for itself ? |
| 22:37.17 | xingu | bkw: libwrap couldn't give a monkey's about "port" |
| 22:37.32 | xingu | bkw: it cares about facility; and that's whatever the application decides it is. |
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| 22:38.14 | jelly | kyevan: (--) PCI:*(1:5:0) ATI Technologies Inc RS482 [Radeon Xpress 200] rev 0, Mem @ 0xc8000000/27, 0xd8500000/16, I/O @ 0x1100/8 [...] (II) AIGLX: Loaded and initialized /usr/lib/dri/r300_dri.so :-P |
| 22:38.17 | bkw | xingu: should it be "processname : IP : allow" ? |
| 22:38.19 | themill | xingu: man hosts.allow says otherwise |
| 22:38.48 | themill | xingu: daemon_list is a list of one or more daemon process names or server port numbers |
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| 22:39.31 | xingu | themill: hmm, see the actual library interface in hosts_access(3) |
| 22:39.52 | xingu | themill: I don't see any port info being bandied about there; if you want to run a test case to prove either way be my guest. |
| 22:40.00 | bkw | themill: so "port : ip : access" should work according to man? |
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| 22:40.50 | xingu | oic, RQ_{CLIENT,SERVER}_SIN - hmm, smells like an extention, waddles like an extention, is it one? |
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| 22:41.10 | themill | bkw: that's my reading, but I suggest that you (a) read it yourself and (b) test it :) |
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| 22:42.06 | cxemka | hi. How to boot from initramfs? Root disk's name have changed |
| 22:42.10 | pmvalente | please help, I have this entry on my messages log "device eth1 entered promiscuous mode", what it does mean |
| 22:42.16 | cxemka | and there is no cd-rom |
| 22:43.17 | themill | pmvalente: it means it was down on the street corner with high heels, short skirt and too much lipstick. |
| 22:43.22 | dwon | pmvalente: tcpdump, intrusion detection systems, and possibly stuff like Rendezvous use promiscuous mode. There's nothing necessarily wrong with promiscuous mode under most circumstances. |
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| 22:43.38 | cxemka | on the boot i got "target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init". Is there a way to boot into system? |
| 22:43.43 | themill | pmvalente: guessnet also uses it. |
| 22:43.47 | cxemka | Without CD-ROM |
| 22:43.57 | dwon | !tell pmvalente about promiscuous |
| 22:44.21 | pmvalente | tks |
| 22:44.31 | onur_ | how can i use proxy server for itself ? |
| 22:44.42 | themill | pmvalente: I like my explanation better than dpkg's.... :) |
| 22:44.43 | cxemka | how to tell to init not to change disk's names? |
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| 22:46.08 | xingu | themill: yeah, you're quite right; eval_port present in newish libwrap.so |
| 22:46.15 | xingu | themill: pardon my obsolescence. |
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| 22:46.45 | themill | themill: hey... your comment just made me go and look at the docs :) |
| 22:48.55 | pmvalente | And how could I know if some of those programs are running on my system |
| 22:49.06 | themill | xingu: ^^ bah... should go to sleep |
| 22:49.14 | blommer | how do i locate my kernel configuration file in etchy? |
| 22:49.34 | xingu | etchy? |
| 22:49.38 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.02 | themill | (bloody ubuntu etch + edgy nonsense) |
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| 22:50.53 | themill | pmvalente: you can look at the output of ps axf. But if you suspect your machine is owned, then you can't actually trust anything it tells you anyway. |
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| 22:51.34 | moldy | hi |
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| 22:51.52 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
| 22:52.04 | moldy | i want to install gnome... i get "unmet dependencies"... how do i fix this? |
| 22:52.21 | p0g0 | pmvalente: boot a live CD, then examine your system |
| 22:52.24 | moldy | "but it is not going to be installed" is not very helpful :-/ |
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| 22:53.35 | themill | moldy: etch? lenny? |
| 22:54.20 | moldy | themill: how do i fiind out? |
| 22:54.31 | themill | moldy: please pastebin your sources.list and the complete output of that aptitude command |
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| 22:55.49 | moldy | themill: is there some paste tool in debian? |
| 22:56.02 | themill | !pastebin |
| 22:56.02 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
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| 22:56.52 | moldy | themill: is there some cli tool? |
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| 22:57.05 | themill | !pastebin oneliner |
| 22:57.05 | dpkg | hmm... pastebin oneliner is at http://pastebin.ca/tools.php. |
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| 22:58.01 | wfq | hola |
| 22:58.04 | wfq | sorry |
| 22:58.04 | moldy | themill: http://nopaste.php-q.net/316690 |
| 22:58.05 | wfq | hello |
| 22:58.55 | moldy | themill: http://nopaste.php-q.net/316691 |
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| 23:01.15 | themill | moldy: have you run an aptitude update recently? |
| 23:01.20 | xwz | Hi |
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| 23:02.48 | themill | moldy: can you also pls pastebin apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 23:02.59 | moldy | themill: i have never run aptitude ever in my live :) |
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| 23:03.41 | fasta | moldy: the FM states it's the recommended tool now. |
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| 23:03.47 | themill | moldy: we recommend using aptitude over apt-get for most things... replace aptitude for apt-get in the commands that you are used to using should work. |
| 23:03.56 | moldy | http://nopaste.php-q.net/316692 |
| 23:04.13 | moldy | fasta, themill: ok, thank you. |
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| 23:04.33 | moldy | the thing is: i was called to help by a friend |
| 23:04.33 | themill | moldy: ahh.... you've got a mixed system..... that libc is from lenny |
| 23:04.45 | moldy | i don't actually run any debian systems myself |
| 23:04.49 | themill | moldy: yes... Tobias :) |
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| 23:05.04 | moldy | themill: lol, how do you know? :) |
| 23:05.20 | themill | sources.list: ## Am 26.07.2007 auf von unstable auf stable gesetzt - Tobias |
| 23:05.28 | moldy | themill: ahhh -- haha, ok |
| 23:05.37 | themill | and that is your trouble.... |
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| 23:06.13 | themill | you have a pile of packages on your system that are from the "testing" distribution (lenny) as well as some from "stable" (etch) |
| 23:06.14 | moldy | is there any easy way to get back "on track" (=back to a usable system)? |
| 23:06.17 | shut- | does anyone no where to get gimpshop? |
| 23:06.36 | streuner | !gimpshop |
| 23:06.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gimpshop is a hack of gimp that models PhotoShop. |
| 23:06.48 | shut- | i no that |
| 23:06.49 | streuner | its NOT in Debian :-) |
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| 23:06.57 | shut- | o |
| 23:07.04 | shut- | that sucks |
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| 23:07.08 | streuner | so use it on your own risk... |
| 23:07.10 | antgel | shut-: it's spelt know |
| 23:07.23 | moldy | themill: what would you recommend to recover from that situation? |
| 23:07.26 | themill | moldy: ummm... downgrading from lenny/sid to etch isn't supported. |
| 23:07.40 | antgel | !tell moldy about downgrade |
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| 23:08.18 | moldy | themill: hmm. |
| 23:08.35 | kramed | do nvidia linux users have to change a setting to use a dvi cable for monitors? |
| 23:08.51 | themill | moldy: you could either reinstall of your netinst cd or try to reintall from etch over the top, or move to a purely lenny system. |
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| 23:09.00 | themill | *off |
| 23:09.04 | shut- | is there a way to install gimpshop on debian? |
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| 23:09.06 | moldy | themill: hmm ok, thx |
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| 23:09.12 | ixion | how would I setup proxy exceptions?? I need lynx to access certain sites via proxy and others not |
| 23:09.16 | themill | !tell moldy about reinstall |
| 23:09.21 | themill | !tell moldy about etch->lenny |
| 23:09.41 | themill | moldy: lenny isn't ideal for a server though |
| 23:10.05 | nsx | anyone else having problems with java-package? |
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| 23:10.21 | themill | moldy: and lenny isn't for people who are new to debian |
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| 23:11.26 | shaula | Hi. I am looking for a program to use with x-window applications which does what 'screen' does for console programs. I want to start an x-window application on a remote machine and to be able to detach from session leaving it still working, and be able to reattach on a later time. Anyway to do that? |
| 23:11.33 | moldy | themill: themill which version is the current "stable" again? |
| 23:12.07 | themill | moldy: eetch |
| 23:12.09 | themill | moldy: etch |
| 23:12.12 | moldy | themill: ahh ok, thanks |
| 23:12.22 | themill | ugh..... I'm off to bed. |
| 23:12.23 | antgel | moldy: perhaps a search on www.debian.org might help? /msg dpkg releases, /msg dpkg stable, /msg dpkg clue :) |
| 23:13.03 | themill | antgel: be nice... he's new to debian and a friend "helped" by bumping his box to lenny on him. |
| 23:13.20 | moldy | antgel: yes, thanks :) |
| 23:13.39 | moldy | themill, antgel, et. cal: thanks, you have been a great help |
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| 23:13.45 | themill | 'night all |
| 23:13.46 | themill | dpkg: g'night |
| 23:13.46 | dpkg | Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite :) |
| 23:13.47 | antgel | themill: *sigh* tough break. he's still got a web browser, presumably :D |
| 23:13.51 | antgel | themill: night |
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| 23:14.09 | nootoyahora | hello everyone |
| 23:14.17 | themill | antgel: the machine's name was "server" so I'm guessing headless file server sort of thing |
| 23:14.34 | nootoyahora | I have donde aopt-get update & apt-get dist-upgrade, and iI have next error message |
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| 23:14.50 | nootoyahora | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.02 | nootoyahora | some knows what is be happening? |
| 23:15.06 | nsx | /home/john/foo/jre-1_5_0_12-linux-amd64.bin: line 310: ./install.sfx.12993: Permission denied <--- I get this when trying to use make-jpkg from java-package now |
| 23:15.10 | nsx | always worked fine before |
| 23:15.13 | antgel | nootoyahora: you running stable? |
| 23:15.15 | nsx | any ideas? |
| 23:15.33 | nootoyahora | antgel, I'm running testing |
| 23:15.34 | antgel | nsx: always worked on that exact .bin}? |
| 23:15.36 | nsx | it ends up telling me that the archive size is invalid and fails |
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| 23:16.07 | antgel | nootoyahora: you installed something in /usr/local/lib/site_perl/, which isn't in debian. fix your system |
| 23:16.08 | nsx | antgel: yeah |
| 23:16.16 | nsx | I have a 32-bit chroot and it fails on the i586 bin too |
| 23:16.19 | nsx | which always worked |
| 23:16.34 | nsx | if I manually run the .bin, it extracts just fine |
| 23:16.46 | ixion | anyway to make lynx use a proxy server and proxy exceptions for certain domains? |
| 23:16.52 | wfq | is there any way to backup a server on live? I mean, if I could stop it I could make add by chroot but I can't and I can't stop the server |
| 23:16.57 | nsx | so I can't help but think that the java-package package is broken |
| 23:16.58 | nootoyahora | antgel, no, I have installed nothing... but if there is something there can I erase? |
| 23:17.02 | antgel | nsx: i don't remember much about java-package, sorry, you using fakeroot? |
| 23:17.07 | nsx | yeah I am |
| 23:17.11 | nsx | fakeroot make-jpkg foo.bin |
| 23:17.18 | nsx | it refuses to run without fakeroot now |
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| 23:18.35 | antgel | nsx: sorry, no time to look into it more, i can however suggest a more comprehensive paste into a pastebin. oh, did you upgrade your system recently? |
| 23:19.02 | kramed | does nvidia have hdcp compatability in their drivers yet for linux? |
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| 23:19.28 | nsx | antgel: yes, I just went back to the amd64 port of lenny |
| 23:19.35 | nsx | this morning |
| 23:19.45 | nsx | I was using the i386 port |
| 23:20.06 | antgel | nsx: did you search the bts? could be arch-specific bug |
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| 23:20.17 | nsx | antgel: it doesn't work inside my 32-bit chroot either, though |
| 23:20.24 | nsx | on the i586 java .bin |
| 23:20.30 | nsx | I get the same error |
| 23:20.42 | creature | Ok, so I've just finished rebuilding a kernel using make-kpkg, and I've installed it using dpkg -i, and it says 'Your /etc/kernel-img.conf needs to be updated. Read grub's NEWS.Debian[1] file and follow its instructions.' What's that all about? |
| 23:21.04 | antgel | creature: clue: /usr/share/doc/grub/ |
| 23:21.36 | antgel | creature: i made this in 2005, rarely used: |
| 23:21.38 | antgel | !usd |
| 23:21.38 | dpkg | well, usd is /usr/share/doc. The font of all knowledge, after you install a new package. |
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| 23:21.46 | antgel | *proud* |
| 23:21.51 | creature | antgel: Yeah, I've just had a look at it. That's not quite as cryptic as I anticipated. |
| 23:22.22 | moldy | themill: are you sure that that libs is from lenny? |
| 23:22.27 | snowbird | antgel happy at what? |
| 23:22.34 | nsx | #323618: Fails with "invalid size" for Sun 1.5 if virtual memory ulimit is set |
| 23:22.40 | nsx | that's the only one I could see that even comes close to applying |
| 23:22.45 | nsx | but my memory ulimit is unlimited |
| 23:22.51 | nsx | plus it also fails with 1.6 |
| 23:22.58 | creature | Right, I'm going to try and see if this kernel works. |
| 23:23.01 | creature | Thanks for the help. |
| 23:24.28 | moldy | themill: my friend tells me he never had lenny installed :-/ |
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| 23:27.17 | kenji | guys I have a new debian etch bootstraped system but I wanna change this minimal debian to spanish, what packages do I need? |
| 23:29.00 | dwon | kenji: I haven't done it, but I think the current way is to run aptitude interactively, go to Tasks -> Spanish environment/desktop and select the packages that make sense from there. |
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| 23:29.47 | kenji | dwon it is not a desktop nothing |
| 23:29.59 | kenji | dwon this is a minimal debian system for a server :D |
| 23:30.36 | simonrvn | kenji: locales; dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 23:31.27 | kenji | smonrvn and the encoude? (UTF or ISO ...) |
| 23:31.32 | kenji | simonrvn |
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| 23:32.17 | dwon | kenji: that's part of the locale configuration, though if you want a UTF-8 console, I think you might have to install fonty-rg |
| 23:32.32 | simonrvn | kenji: it'll give you a dialogue to configure it... |
| 23:32.41 | kenji | dwon I don't want a UTF console, I just want all in spanish |
| 23:32.58 | socialist | anyone know of a way to search for all packages that are not dependencies of anything? I'm trying to trim an install down to bare minimum and I'd rather avoid checking each package by hand |
| 23:33.31 | dwon | kenji: then yeah, just do as simonrvn says: install locales and dpkg-reconfigure it. |
| 23:33.59 | dwon | socialist: aptitude does that now for packages that are set to automatic mode (shift-M; displays as "A") |
| 23:34.17 | dwon | socialist: It includes Recommends by default, but you can configure it not to (just be careful, then) |
| 23:34.19 | stoned | hi |
| 23:34.31 | stoned | what is up my friends |
| 23:34.35 | kenji | dwon and simonrvn the dpkg-reconfigure give two options es_ES.UTF-8 and es_ES ISO-8859-1 whats the difference? |
| 23:34.45 | dwon | kenji: one's unicode, one isn't |
| 23:34.49 | stoned | kenji: pick utf8 |
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| 23:34.53 | stoned | kenji: its much more better |
| 23:34.58 | kenji | but the basic difference? |
| 23:35.00 | antgel | stoned: have been arsing about when i should have been playing eternal darkness on gamecube and tidying room |
| 23:35.20 | kenji | is UTF the encode that have problems with some symbols in html? |
| 23:35.25 | stoned | kenji: no |
| 23:35.29 | stoned | !unicode |
| 23:35.30 | dpkg | [unicode] the only sane way to manage diverse scripts sanely (even if it does pose security risks) |
| 23:35.36 | stoned | !utf8 |
| 23:35.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, utf8 is how the Perl people spell UTF-8. See also <UTF-8>. |
| 23:35.38 | kenji | like this: á é Ã'ó ú |
| 23:35.42 | stoned | !utf-8 |
| 23:35.43 | dpkg | hmm... utf-8 is Unicode encoding and ISO 10646 characters as multibyte characters. RFC 2044. A superset of US-ASCII, can represent the full international characterset range of Unicode. See bug #214254 and http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/debian-utf8/HOWTO/howto.html, or And try <lang>_<CC>.utf8 as your LANG variable. Eg: export LANG=en_US.utf8 (for a US-centric view of things). Read /usr/share/doc/groff/README.Debian to fix garbled man ... |
| 23:35.45 | stoned | there we g |
| 23:35.47 | kenji | in spanish that are to ussed |
| 23:36.03 | antgel | like anyone's going to read /usr/share/doc/groff/README.Debian :D |
| 23:36.18 | stoned | I read |
| 23:36.24 | stoned | simonrvn: hi |
| 23:36.32 | simonrvn | hi |
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| 23:37.52 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.04 | stoned | motherboard shorted out. mobo costs more than the laptop itself |
| 23:38.09 | stoned | that is what throwing me off |
| 23:38.11 | stoned | im like wtf |
| 23:39.33 | stoned | so whats going on in here |
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| 23:40.45 | simonrvn | not much |
| 23:40.50 | stoned | there was a family guy joke about lara flynn boyle, I looked her up, didn't know who she was |
| 23:40.53 | stoned | guess what I found out |
| 23:40.58 | stoned | shes the evil alien chic in men in black 2 |
| 23:41.00 | stoned | sarlena |
| 23:41.06 | stoned | pretty hot man |
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| 23:42.21 | simonrvn | just got back from drum practice |
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| 23:42.25 | stoned | simonrvn: you're right, there isn't anything going on |
| 23:42.25 | snowbird | with .deb file once u open wahts next? |
| 23:42.27 | stoned | simonrvn: nice |
| 23:42.36 | stoned | snowbird: once you open? |
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| 23:42.45 | simonrvn | snowbird: you wanna install it? |
| 23:42.46 | stoned | snowbird: you want to install a .deb file or extract a .deb file? |
| 23:43.01 | snowbird | i gues extract then open |
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| 23:43.14 | snowbird | i clicked it ran and says result 0 |
| 23:43.18 | stoned | its good |
| 23:43.25 | snowbird | what next |
| 23:43.32 | simonrvn | ok, that's it i'm putting aguaithefreak's quits/joins until he fixes his effing connection |
| 23:43.38 | stoned | you clicked it and a gui package manager installed it? |
| 23:43.40 | simonrvn | on ignore |
| 23:43.43 | stoned | without any kind of root passwords? |
| 23:43.45 | antgel | simonrvn: you drum? let's form a #debian band! i'm just noodling on the guitar for first time in a year or two, getting back into it |
| 23:43.46 | snowbird | right stoned |
| 23:43.57 | stoned | antgel: not drums |
| 23:44.01 | stoned | antgel: percussion |
| 23:44.09 | stoned | antgel: and its traditional music |
| 23:44.09 | simonrvn | antgel: not that kind of drum; pow-wow |
| 23:44.11 | stoned | afaik |
| 23:44.15 | stoned | exactly |
| 23:44.20 | snowbird | what do i know doo? |
| 23:44.24 | antgel | simonrvn: does it make a noise? |
| 23:44.25 | stoned | snowbird: nothing |
| 23:44.31 | stoned | snowbird: the package has been installed |
| 23:44.35 | snowbird | ok how i tell it to run |
| 23:44.41 | stoned | snowbird: which package is it? |
| 23:44.49 | simonrvn | antgel: yes |
| 23:44.50 | snowbird | avast av |
| 23:45.01 | stoned | snowbird: dpkg -L package_nane_here|grep bin |
| 23:45.03 | antgel | simonrvn: so you in the band or what? :P |
| 23:45.11 | snowbird | ok as root? |
| 23:45.12 | simonrvn | antgel: big loud noise. it's not a band |
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| 23:45.21 | stoned | snowbird: try it |
| 23:45.27 | stoned | its not loud noise |
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| 23:45.31 | stoned | i like it |
| 23:45.40 | simonrvn | oh yes it is ;). can be |
| 23:45.41 | stoned | heya hoya heya hoya |
| 23:45.54 | simonrvn | >_< |
| 23:45.57 | stoned | i love that sound man |
| 23:45.59 | snowbird | no such file or directory |
| 23:46.00 | stoned | its fucking great |
| 23:46.03 | stoned | its like, just let loose man |
| 23:46.05 | stoned | you konw |
| 23:46.08 | krenin | Hi guys. I was on earlier asking about apt-build. I am trying to compile a bunch of packages and apt-build isn't installing the dependency packages so some of them aren't getting build. Is there a way to make apt-build install dependency packages properly? |
| 23:46.25 | antgel | hmm, holy wars tab: google hits 1.7M, holy wars tax(a typo): >2M! |
| 23:46.27 | stoned | krenin: apt-get build-dep blah |
| 23:46.33 | fyn | pow-wow drums and bass :D |
| 23:46.35 | snowbird | stoned is that normal |
| 23:46.39 | stoned | krenin: have you read the new maintainers guide? |
| 23:46.44 | stoned | krenin: or the package basics? |
| 23:46.50 | krenin | stoned: do I have to do that for each package separately? |
| 23:46.53 | stoned | !tell krenin -about maint-guide |
| 23:46.57 | krenin | stoned: where is the new maintainers guide? |
| 23:47.05 | stoned | krenin: yes |
| 23:47.10 | krenin | bummer |
| 23:47.22 | krenin | it didn't give me the maintainers guide then |
| 23:47.28 | stoned | krenin: basically build-dep pulls in all the packages and dev packages a certain package would need in order to be built from source |
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| 23:47.34 | stoned | as well as build-essential you need |
| 23:47.36 | h3sp4wn | ~maint-guide |
| 23:47.38 | skOrkZ | hello |
| 23:47.39 | skOrkZ | fuck |
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| 23:47.42 | stoned | !maint-guide |
| 23:47.42 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 23:47.45 | snowbird | stoned do want name of what i dl |
| 23:47.47 | stoned | !package basics |
| 23:47.48 | dpkg | [package basics] The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html, or see Debian New Maintainers' Guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 23:47.48 | litage_ | so does the new systrace exploit affect Debian? http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/08/09/138224.shtml |
| 23:47.58 | stoned | snowbird: i don't follow |
| 23:48.09 | simonrvn | antgel, stoned: good old time praying. sing our hearts out... kinda thing where you cry sometimes, or laugh. it's not performance |
| 23:48.26 | snowbird | i typed what u said it said file not found |
| 23:48.27 | stoned | which is just |
| 23:48.29 | stoned | letting yourself go |
| 23:48.36 | stoned | just experience the moment and thats it |
| 23:48.39 | stoned | nothing else matters |
| 23:48.43 | snowbird | should i restart over? |
| 23:48.55 | simonrvn | antgel, stoned: we practice the songs of course. yup stoned - keeping mindful of what the intent is for |
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| 23:49.13 | stoned | its like when I get blazed and just play guitar, sometimes I get so emotional that while I play alick, I feel the music enhancing each emotion and sometimes I smile and sometimes I cry a little inside |
| 23:49.15 | fyn | is there something like top to list disk access per process ... like ohshitmydiskisthrashing what's doing that? |
| 23:49.17 | stoned | its just man word |
| 23:49.35 | stoned | you know |
| 23:49.38 | snowbird | sttoned how to i make it work |
| 23:49.40 | simonrvn | snowbird: you need to be root, root has extra stuff in its PATH |
| 23:49.44 | stoned | snowbird: make what work!? |
| 23:49.49 | snowbird | that file |
| 23:49.54 | stoned | snowbird: yes as root or use sudo |
| 23:49.56 | stoned | !sudo |
| 23:49.57 | dpkg | i guess sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
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| 23:50.29 | simonrvn | effing spammer bots... |
| 23:50.36 | stoned | eh? |
| 23:50.37 | stoned | my bad |
| 23:50.40 | stoned | I should use !tell |
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| 23:50.52 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 23:51.15 | simonrvn | stoned: not you |
| 23:51.46 | simonrvn | have some zombie machines trying to us spam here |
| 23:51.53 | stoned | oh |
| 23:51.55 | snowbird | ok sudo then type what? |
| 23:52.03 | simonrvn | to send* . oh man i must be tired or something ;) |
| 23:52.33 | stoned | snowbird: sudo dpkg -L pkgnamehere|grep bin |
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| 23:52.45 | stoned | snowbird: read the documentation for the software you are downloading or instaling |
| 23:52.50 | simonrvn | snowbird: to install that deb you need to do sudo dpkg -i somefile.deb ; unless i missed something and you already did that =) |
| 23:53.00 | simonrvn | snowbird: man dpkg for more info |
| 23:53.02 | stoned | simonrvn: he clicked on it and it was installed |
| 23:53.06 | stoned | which makes me wonder |
| 23:53.13 | simonrvn | oh probably some gnome thing |
| 23:53.27 | simonrvn | i've done it, it's ok. it asks for password and such |
| 23:53.35 | stoned | snowbird: can you type /exec -o echo `uname -a` |
| 23:53.50 | stoned | snowbird: or paste the output of uname -a in here |
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| 23:57.05 | krenin | Is there any way currently to install buildd to recompile the whole Debian Etch archive? |
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| 23:57.59 | stoned | why? |
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| 23:58.16 | loupgaroublond | stoned, why not? |
| 23:58.20 | stoned | but why? |
| 23:58.45 | simonrvn | krenin: why? |
| 23:58.48 | loupgaroublond | so you can prove that debian's been cooler alot longer than fedora and their snazzy new toolchain has been? |
| 23:58.49 | snowbird | what stoned? |
| 23:58.51 | krenin | Much easier... |
| 23:58.59 | loupgaroublond | so you can compile them for 686 or k7? |
| 23:59.05 | krenin | Athlon XP |
| 23:59.08 | loupgaroublond | so you can pass different C flags? |
| 23:59.14 | krenin | Yeah optimzations... |
| 23:59.16 | antgel | !gentoosmite krenin |
| 23:59.19 | stoned | loupgaroublond: use gentoo |
| 23:59.20 | krenin | Heh. |
| 23:59.34 | loupgaroublond | stoned, gentoo sucks, i tried it for 3 months, but it's not nearly as robust as debian is |
| 23:59.42 | antgel | krenin: we are nothing if not predictable |
