| 00:00.06 | loupgaroublond | why not get thebest of both worlds? if he wants to waste his CPU cycles, that's his business |
| 00:00.09 | stoned | loupgaroublond: its not worth my time to do these optimazations which have almost no effect in real world in everyday use |
| 00:00.17 | stoned | how fast you can make nano |
| 00:00.18 | snowbird | 2.6.18-4-k7 #1 SMP Wed May 9 23:42:01 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux here stoned |
| 00:00.21 | stoned | seriously |
| 00:00.24 | antgel | i tried installing gentoo from their minimal netinstall cd. i gave up somewhere around using links to download necessary files by hand |
| 00:00.28 | stoned | you can make vim faster than it is? |
| 00:00.28 | loupgaroublond | stoned, and you're gonna stop him? |
| 00:00.40 | antgel | stoned: maybe you can't type that quickly |
| 00:00.50 | streuner | hehe |
| 00:00.58 | stoned | you are weird |
| 00:01.12 | stoned | what has MY time not worth doing it have anything to do with anyone stopping anyting |
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| 00:01.15 | antgel | or was it when i was typing my own /etc/fstab? either way, it was a waste of time |
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| 00:02.15 | krenin | Maybe I could upgrade to sid and then build the packages and then go back to Etch. |
| 00:02.28 | stoned | loupgaroublond: how is debia more robust than gentoo? |
| 00:02.32 | stoned | bedian |
| 00:02.34 | stoned | fuck |
| 00:02.35 | stoned | debian* |
| 00:02.40 | streuner | its just unreal to think that "somebody" has more knowledge vs. a maint. who working about for years... |
| 00:02.46 | antgel | stoned: get your coat :) |
| 00:02.58 | nsx | antgel, I'm braindead, it was my fault.. I still had a noexec /tmp |
| 00:03.04 | streuner | only using some "flags" |
| 00:03.04 | nsx | I forgot I copied my old fstab over |
| 00:03.05 | stoned | streuner: heh, yeh well, people suck |
| 00:03.19 | krenin | Here's what I'm thinking of using: http://julien.danjou.info/buildd.html . |
| 00:03.21 | snowbird | stoned that comand aint working |
| 00:03.28 | antgel | nsx: not the most obvious mistake, don't be too hard on yourself |
| 00:03.36 | antgel | !smite nsx |
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| 00:03.51 | stoned | with those pointy commas |
| 00:03.56 | stoned | then feel like needles |
| 00:04.09 | antgel | krenin: are you going to super-charge your irc client? |
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| 00:04.15 | stoned | i meant to push y, as in they |
| 00:04.19 | stoned | what came out was n, as in then |
| 00:04.23 | stoned | wtf kinda typo was this |
| 00:04.31 | stoned | my finger went in totally the wrong direction on the keyboard on that one |
| 00:04.49 | RockerMONO | does Debian have as86, ls86 and gcc? |
| 00:04.57 | RockerMONO | [on a full install of it] |
| 00:05.25 | loupgaroublond | stoned, let's see, the packages are generally higher quality, practically everything worthwhile is 'masked' in gentoo these days, apt is much much faster than crapage, aptitude rocks |
| 00:05.27 | krenin | Does build-dep install the packages normally like regular packages and if so would they be easily removable? |
| 00:05.35 | snowbird | error use single carectors |
| 00:05.39 | antgel | loupgaroublond: masked? |
| 00:05.44 | dimm0k | is it possible to remount / without restarting the system? |
| 00:05.50 | antgel | !tell RockerMONO about search |
| 00:05.52 | loupgaroublond | antgel, declared 'unsafe' will break your machine |
| 00:06.08 | antgel | loupgaroublond: isn't that part of the fun? ;) |
| 00:06.28 | loupgaroublond | antgel, debian's trinity of testing is much better than gentoo's 'pile everything into a big bonfire' method |
| 00:06.33 | loupgaroublond | antgel, i don't like fun |
| 00:06.47 | RockerMONO | antgel: wtf? i was just asking if it had it, not how to get it |
| 00:06.50 | antgel | loupgaroublond: that's why so few people seem to "move on" from debian |
| 00:06.53 | krenin | What's the control code for the enter key to do a search and replace? |
| 00:06.58 | stoned | loupgaroublond: do you have anything for me besides ambigious statements? |
| 00:07.05 | stoned | or vague rather |
| 00:07.12 | loupgaroublond | stoned, yeah, go away fanboi |
| 00:07.28 | loupgaroublond | ;) |
| 00:07.30 | stoned | so basically you can't intelligently back up anything you're saying in praise of debian? |
| 00:07.30 | antgel | RockerMONO: and i'm suggesting that you at least try to look for it yourself first, as is generally the accepted policy here |
| 00:07.41 | antgel | stoned: it rocks! duuuude |
| 00:07.42 | stoned | I want to know why you think debian is more robust, that is all |
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| 00:07.57 | nootoyahora | hello to everyone, I am using testing, and I got tis error message whe ndoing apt-get instaal or apt-get dist-uupgrade |
| 00:08.01 | stoned | what do you mean by higher quality packages? |
| 00:08.03 | loupgaroublond | stoned, i just told you |
| 00:08.05 | nootoyahora | Error retrieving bug reports from the server with the following error message: |
| 00:08.05 | nootoyahora | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.05 | nootoyahora | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.05 | nootoyahora | It could be because your network is down, or because of broken proxy servers, or the BTS server itself is down. Check network configuration and try again |
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| 00:08.14 | jelly-home | dimm0k: mount -o remount,... / ? yes |
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| 00:08.30 | stoned | loupgaroublond: you gave me very vague answers |
| 00:08.40 | blackes1 | hi any idea what file is called on startup to initilise daemons |
| 00:08.42 | stoned | loupgaroublond: what makes debian packages high quality? |
| 00:08.42 | antgel | nootoyahora: i told you before - what's that crap you installed in /usr/local/lib/site_perL? |
| 00:08.53 | RockerMONO | antgel: you told me to search apt... i was asking if it was installed for Debian on a full install |
| 00:09.01 | antgel | !tell blackes1 about init.d |
| 00:09.01 | stoned | loupgaroublond: and how is portage so bad? or worse in comparison to apt? |
| 00:09.08 | antgel | RockerMONO: what's a full install? |
| 00:09.18 | jelly-home | antgel: obviously it's Debbugs::SOAP crap! |
| 00:09.24 | loupgaroublond | stoned, portage is slow, known to be very buggy, whereas apt is not |
| 00:09.26 | RockerMONO | antgel: as in you go to install it and check off all the choices |
| 00:09.32 | nootoyahora | antgel, bash: cd: /usr/local/lib/site_perl: No such file or directory nothing... |
| 00:09.32 | stoned | loupgaroublond: I've used both, for a while, but I want to know your opinions, in somewhat more detail |
| 00:09.34 | inaety | hello when i try to install libmtp6 from an added repository i get this error |
| 00:09.35 | loupgaroublond | stoned, debian has better packaging policies than gentoo |
| 00:09.38 | inaety | hey RockerMONO |
| 00:09.42 | RockerMONO | hey inaety |
| 00:09.56 | inaety | RockerMONO: anything goin' on? |
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| 00:10.05 | krenin | How do I take a text file and replace the <Enter> codes with spaces instead? |
| 00:10.06 | nootoyahora | jelly-home, it's not crap, and I don't know waht's SoAP |
| 00:10.12 | stoned | well |
| 00:10.21 | antgel | nootoyahora: maybe something's calling that and broken - apt-listbugs maybe? |
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| 00:10.25 | stoned | do you know anything abou personal hygene? |
| 00:10.30 | stoned | soap is used to wash stuff |
| 00:10.33 | stoned | its good |
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| 00:10.38 | RockerMONO | inaety: well, im gonna try PocketLinux on that cruddy computer, but i'm also gonna attempt my own os, probably gonna be like "Hell<insert hundreds of errors>" :) |
| 00:10.51 | RockerMONO | inaety: that being instead of "Hello World" =p |
| 00:10.56 | jelly-home | nootoyahora: your perl script is using a perl module from there and failing |
| 00:11.00 | inaety | RockerMONO: hahah can you program? |
| 00:11.13 | nootoyahora | antgel, no maybe, it is apt-listbugs waht's broken, but I don't understand waht's broken... no clue, if I have something I woudl try, I have googled for it and there's notging for muy error message |
| 00:11.15 | stoned | I can program my vcr |
| 00:11.21 | stoned | does that count? |
| 00:11.27 | sinthetek | the main difference between portage and apt is that portage trades speed for versatility and efficiency |
| 00:11.36 | nootoyahora | jelly-home, maybe, I understand that, but I don't know waht else can I do... |
| 00:11.45 | inaety | portage takes forever! |
| 00:11.46 | inaety | omg |
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| 00:11.54 | disco\\ | How could I turn my perl script into a daemon? |
| 00:12.05 | RockerMONO | inaety: yea... and i asked if installing all the options on a Debian install would put as86 and ls86 on my computer or not and i got told to search apt... that doesn't answer the question at all -_- |
| 00:12.13 | sinthetek | inaety: depends on what you're compiling and what you're compiling on and system load |
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| 00:12.42 | sinthetek | generally speaking, after initial deployment of the system, portage doesn't take all *that* long |
| 00:12.43 | inaety | RockerMONO: oh man, what can you program in |
| 00:12.43 | antgel | nootoyahora: if nothing relevant in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=apt-listbugs;dist=unstable, try uninstalling apt-listbugs, and if that works reinstall it - if still broken raise a bug report |
| 00:12.43 | jelly-home | nootoyahora: dpkg -S Debbugs/SOAP, see if something appears, remove it |
| 00:12.49 | sinthetek | weekly updates take about an hr |
| 00:12.56 | inaety | sinthetek: it took a ridiculous amount of time just to compile amarok |
| 00:12.58 | jelly-home | antgel: apt-listbugs is written in ruby |
| 00:12.59 | sinthetek | (on my amd64 2800+) |
| 00:13.11 | dimm0k | does /proc and /sys benefit from noatime? |
| 00:13.16 | antgel | jelly-home: did i miss something? |
| 00:13.17 | inaety | sinthetek: my computer isn;t special but it was ridiculous |
| 00:13.21 | sinthetek | inaety; with or without all dependent packages? |
| 00:13.22 | dimm0k | jelly-home, thanks |
| 00:13.27 | RockerMONO | inaety: so far i can program in mostly web-based stuff and Python, but i catch on pretty quick |
| 00:13.55 | jelly-home | antgel: that's a Perl error |
| 00:14.10 | antgel | jelly-home: my excuse is that it's 1:14 here :) |
| 00:14.11 | inaety | sinthetek: when it had to install a couple extra it took forever but then i had to keep reinstalling it because i needed like acc and libmtp support i all forgot in the USE |
| 00:14.15 | antgel | (am) |
| 00:14.16 | nootoyahora | antgel, jelly-home thanks, I will try right now, I'm sorry for the flood before |
| 00:14.25 | inaety | RockerMONO: i am taking a java course in a couple days |
| 00:14.29 | jelly-home | antgel: I'm one hour a head! |
| 00:14.34 | inaety | RockerMONO: but wow im stupid |
| 00:14.49 | RockerMONO | inaety: yea i know a tiny bit of java... but most i've gotten is a "Hello World" app and i managed to build a browser from source haha |
| 00:14.51 | sinthetek | inaety: do you know how many interrelated packages kde uses? there are like 10 differnet processes to run konqueror or kmldonkey (the only kapps i use regularly) |
| 00:15.02 | sinthetek | ahh, yeah, that would prolly suck a bit |
| 00:15.20 | inaety | sinthetek: i know but kde is the best |
| 00:15.23 | sinthetek | well, i meant after initial deployment for most apps it doesn't take more than a couple of minutes to compile |
| 00:15.39 | jelly-home | meh. |
| 00:15.44 | inaety | RockerMONO: built a browser from scratch? that's a little more than "a tiny bit" |
| 00:15.51 | RockerMONO | inaety: not from scratch |
| 00:15.52 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.52 | jelly-home | :-[ WRITE@LBA=2207b0h failed with SK=4h/ASC=03h/ACQ=00h]: Input/output error |
| 00:15.59 | jelly-home | so close! |
| 00:16.10 | RockerMONO | inaety: i basically took it out of the case, and assembled the motherboard, daughterboard, and floppy drive in a typewriter case |
| 00:16.15 | RockerMONO | inaety: main thing i used: duct tape |
| 00:16.37 | inaety | RockerMONO: haha |
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| 00:17.08 | jelly-home | RockerMONO: if only you got the mechanical keyboard working! |
| 00:17.11 | inaety | RockerMONO: you wouldnt happen to know anything about libmtp would you? |
| 00:17.15 | RockerMONO | inaety: and if i figure out how to get a storage medium with no moving parts, that doesn't require USB i can make a computer with no moving parts except the buttosns :D |
| 00:17.18 | RockerMONO | inaety: no idea |
| 00:17.26 | RockerMONO | jelly-home: not enough room... so i removed it |
| 00:17.37 | inaety | RockerMONO: haha |
| 00:17.43 | RockerMONO | **buttons |
| 00:17.46 | RockerMONO | hah |
| 00:17.52 | RockerMONO | inaety: but yea... the issue is the damn lack of USB -_- |
| 00:18.02 | inaety | does anyone here know about libmtp and libc? and don't give me the !anyone thing |
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| 00:18.17 | inaety | RockerMONO: err make your own! |
| 00:18.22 | RockerMONO | inaety: erm? |
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| 00:18.30 | RockerMONO | inaety: make my own storage medium? |
| 00:18.32 | RockerMONO | O.o |
| 00:18.37 | inaety | yeah! |
| 00:18.42 | RockerMONO | out of what?.... |
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| 00:19.11 | RockerMONO | inaety: mk... i have random pieces of metal and plastic and a 4" TV that's probably close to 20 or 30 years old |
| 00:19.27 | inaety | RockerMONO: this could be tricky... |
| 00:19.28 | RockerMONO | inaety: and a CD drive... and a sound card |
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| 00:19.41 | Xoris | RockerMONO, there was a (Windows) program allowing to print bits and then scan then back. or you could do like i did, and write a modem that works over cassette tapes, '80s microcomputer style |
| 00:19.44 | RockerMONO | inaety: and 2 broken hard drives |
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| 00:20.01 | RockerMONO | Xoris: that still involves moving parts lol |
| 00:20.08 | inaety | haah |
| 00:20.10 | macarse | hi, I am trying to close X but I can't find the way, I've tryed c-a-backspace but It doesn't work |
| 00:20.13 | RockerMONO | Xoris: i need a storage medium with no moving parts for this to work :D |
| 00:20.23 | RockerMONO | Xoris: and i have no USB connections cuz it's a 12 year old computer >.> |
| 00:20.45 | RockerMONO | OW! |
| 00:20.47 | Xoris | RockerMONO: Compact Flash cards basically use IDE, though there might be voltage differences and such |
| 00:20.58 | RockerMONO | Xoris: note: i'm poor |
| 00:20.58 | RockerMONO | =p |
| 00:20.59 | Xoris | RockerMONO: look it up, and make a connecting circuit, shouldn't be too hard |
| 00:21.09 | RockerMONO | Xoris: see above statement |
| 00:21.09 | RockerMONO | lol |
| 00:21.21 | RockerMONO | Xoris: "poor" as in a 15yo with no money at all |
| 00:21.44 | RockerMONO | heh |
| 00:21.45 | RockerMONO | any ideas? =p |
| 00:21.59 | Xoris | RockerMONO, a CF card can cost less than 10EUR, and the resistors and stuff are basically free |
| 00:22.18 | RockerMONO | Xoris: i mean i LITERALLY have no money, not even $1 |
| 00:22.27 | RockerMONO | Xoris: my sister stole my last $48 :( |
| 00:22.36 | inaety | Xoris: thats like 15 USD! |
| 00:22.40 | Xoris | RockerMONO: does that computer have a flashable BIOS, by any chance? |
| 00:22.45 | RockerMONO | Xoris: no idea... |
| 00:22.50 | RockerMONO | i dont even know wtf that is |
| 00:22.51 | RockerMONO | :) |
| 00:22.59 | Xoris | inaety: yeah well, you can probably get one for less in the US. everything technological costs more in europe |
| 00:23.09 | RockerMONO | Xoris: side note: the computer i built it from was 12 years old |
| 00:23.26 | Xoris | RockerMONO: the memory where your BIOS is, it might be ROM, or it might be flash. in the latter case, you could possibly use part of it as RAM :) |
| 00:23.26 | socialist | dwon: thanks, I'll try it |
| 00:23.39 | Xoris | RockerMONO: probably doesn't have flash |
| 00:24.15 | Xoris | have to go to bed anyway, i'll think about it while i sleep :P |
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| 00:24.33 | RockerMONO | inaety: would it be possible to mod a hd maybe??? |
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| 00:24.46 | inaety | RockerMONO: mod it how? |
| 00:25.09 | RockerMONO | inaety: like put a bunch of lenses above it and instead of spinning stuff, use software to switch which lense it uses at a rapid rate |
| 00:25.22 | RockerMONO | inaety: so in effect, reading the information without moving anything |
| 00:25.45 | RockerMONO | inaety: would probably still need to be moved for writing data though |
| 00:25.47 | inaety | why cant is move again? |
| 00:25.51 | inaety | it* |
| 00:25.55 | RockerMONO | inaety: it can... i just dont want it to :) |
| 00:25.59 | RockerMONO | inaety: ok i'm bored, gimme some slack =p |
| 00:26.01 | inaety | why? haha |
| 00:26.13 | RockerMONO | inaety: how many computers do you know of with absolutely no moving parts? |
| 00:26.19 | inaety | learn how to program in Java ! |
| 00:26.29 | RockerMONO | how would that help? |
| 00:26.30 | RockerMONO | btw |
| 00:26.32 | RockerMONO | i know some java |
| 00:26.40 | inaety | RockerMONO: but what would be the point? |
| 00:26.45 | RockerMONO | erm |
| 00:26.49 | RockerMONO | to cure my boredom? :) |
| 00:26.55 | RockerMONO | and make it less prone to damage |
| 00:26.56 | inaety | make sure you know it all by the 21st |
| 00:27.00 | RockerMONO | why? |
| 00:27.06 | RockerMONO | :D |
| 00:27.12 | inaety | thats when school starts and i need a reference |
| 00:27.17 | RockerMONO | haha |
| 00:27.18 | RockerMONO | good luck :) |
| 00:27.24 | inaety | loser |
| 00:27.30 | inaety | we're talking about AP here! |
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| 00:27.54 | inaety | heh |
| 00:28.23 | krenin | Can someone tell me how to replace all the newlines in a file with spaces? |
| 00:28.35 | RockerMONO | krenin: erm.... use PHP? :) |
| 00:28.41 | krenin | Haha |
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| 00:28.52 | RockerMONO | krenin: if you use PHP i can have you doing that in under 5 minutes :D |
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| 00:29.06 | RockerMONO | krenin: uno momento :) [one moment] |
| 00:29.09 | inaety | i cant programin PHP |
| 00:29.14 | RockerMONO | inaety: i can! =p |
| 00:29.23 | inaety | go away! |
| 00:29.30 | MTecknology | does debian come with an option to install with no GUI? |
| 00:29.39 | RockerMONO | inaety: never!!!! |
| 00:29.41 | MTecknology | ie, no gnome, kde, fluxbox, etc |
| 00:29.44 | RockerMONO | MTecknology: yea |
| 00:29.45 | stoned | yes |
| 00:29.49 | RockerMONO | MTecknology: just dont install them ;) |
| 00:29.53 | inaety | MTecknology: Netinstall disc? |
| 00:30.29 | MTecknology | RockerMONO: I've never used debian b4... i'm still heading off to dload it |
| 00:30.44 | RockerMONO | MTecknology: yea, you have options on what to install ;) |
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| 00:30.53 | krenin | Shouldn't there be a simple text too that can do that? |
| 00:31.27 | RockerMONO | krenin: dunno, but if you hang on a moment you can copy/paste your stuff to a page on my site and do it =p |
| 00:31.33 | MTecknology | am I looking for the minimal bootable cd image then? |
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| 00:32.19 | krenin | RockerMONO: OK thanks. |
| 00:32.58 | kyevan | Hmm, why is the "upgrade" command to aptitude being depreciated? |
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| 00:33.32 | K`zan | Anyone having problems with sane / xsane? Every scanner I try (work under ubuntu and wincrap) is either busy (HP 3400c) or gets an error in device I/O (Brother MFC-3820cn). Any thoughts appreciated! |
| 00:33.48 | MTecknology | I'm here -> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 00:33.50 | krenin | Also, how do I use redirection to put a list of package names on the end of a command? |
| 00:34.01 | MTecknology | why is there 21 CD's available for it? |
| 00:34.22 | inaety | MTecknology: we like programs |
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| 00:34.44 | MTecknology | umm.? |
| 00:34.45 | RockerMONO | krenin: your browser supports Javascript, right? |
| 00:35.24 | kyevan | MTecknology: That 21 CDs is like your entire stack of Windows disks, includeing all your app software and stuff. And you don't need more than 5ish to install, iirc |
| 00:35.28 | krenin | RockerMONO: Yeah, I think so. |
| 00:35.33 | RockerMONO | mk |
| 00:35.48 | MTecknology | I'm trying to grab the minimal bootable cd image - that's going to be on one cd, right? |
| 00:35.58 | kyevan | The netinstall disk, probably. |
| 00:36.17 | inaety | MTecknology: netinstall will give you a completely base system... |
| 00:36.35 | MTecknology | O!!! I feel retarded |
| 00:36.40 | kyevan | and yeh, one CD. Didn't someone manage to squeeze a netinstall bootstrapper on a buisness-card CD? |
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| 00:36.52 | MTecknology | ya |
| 00:37.10 | MTecknology | i was looking at getting that one |
| 00:37.31 | MTecknology | netinstall is small enough :) |
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| 00:39.06 | K`zan | Methinketh sane/xsane is hosed badly in deb4 :-(. |
| 00:39.51 | RockerMONO | krenin: http://mcgw.dav7.net:8080/line_removal.php i cant guarantee it'll work, but it should |
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| 00:40.02 | krenin | How would someone use redirection to give apt-get a list of packages to install? |
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| 00:40.09 | krenin | ...from a text file |
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| 00:41.14 | RockerMONO | krenin: http://mcgw.dav7.net:8080/line_removal.php should remove any new-line characters and put a space in it's place |
| 00:41.22 | RockerMONO | krenin: but it might not work, i made it really quick |
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| 00:42.53 | krenin | RockerMONO: It doesn't work... |
| 00:43.03 | RockerMONO | what's it do? |
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| 00:43.51 | krenin | Nothing. |
| 00:44.06 | RockerMONO | hm |
| 00:44.15 | RockerMONO | ohh |
| 00:44.16 | RockerMONO | weird |
| 00:44.21 | RockerMONO | oops |
| 00:44.29 | RockerMONO | my bad :) hold on |
| 00:44.42 | kyevan | :( openttd doesn't package the scenarios in it? |
| 00:45.00 | snowbird1 | riocko i tried file must be broke |
| 00:45.48 | MTecknology | do ISP's actually charge for internet by the minute?!?!?! |
| 00:46.03 | MTecknology | just saw that on the debian site |
| 00:46.13 | kyevan | MTecknology: Some do, but not many |
| 00:46.21 | MTecknology | seems odd |
| 00:46.32 | jelly-home | MTecknology: dial-up modem lines usually do |
| 00:46.41 | jelly-home | just like normal phone calls |
| 00:46.45 | MTecknology | none of mine ever did |
| 00:46.45 | kyevan | jelly-home: No, those are usually unlimited, too |
| 00:46.54 | kyevan | And so is local calling |
| 00:47.01 | jelly-home | kyevan: not here, not yet |
| 00:47.06 | krazykit | MTecknology, they used to more so than now. |
| 00:47.14 | kyevan | jelly-home: /ctcp location? |
| 00:47.19 | jelly-home | Croaita |
| 00:47.20 | snowbird1 | had to quit for now |
| 00:47.25 | jelly-home | s/ita/tia/ |
| 00:47.32 | RockerMONO | krenin: dunno, cant get it working - sorry |
| 00:47.44 | MTecknology | O! I bet using dial-up when you need to call long distance is where it usually shows up |
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| 00:48.55 | K-Ryan | Hey, where can I check what processes are running? Debian Etch, Gnome |
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| 00:49.08 | kyevan | K-Ryan: ps aux |
| 00:49.09 | jelly-home | MTecknology: your ISP may have some sort of roaming access arranged with a local ISP, if you're out of the country for example |
| 00:49.10 | MTecknology | top |
| 00:49.14 | kyevan | sshould list everything >_> |
| 00:49.24 | K-Ryan | kyevan: There's no gui app? |
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| 00:49.39 | kyevan | K-Ryan: I'm sure there is, I just don't know it. |
| 00:49.49 | K-Ryan | kyevan: Oh, alright, this works anyway. Thanks =) |
| 00:49.49 | MTecknology | K-Ryan: if i had my linux system up i could tell ya |
| 00:50.00 | OmnipotentEntity | Does anyone remember the program that checks your files md5sums to make sure they haven't suffered corruption since you installed them? |
| 00:50.18 | MTecknology | K-Ryan: in my os i can go to system > administration > system monitor |
| 00:50.25 | kyevan | ... How the heck is debian-legal letting people get away with that!? |
| 00:50.54 | K-Ryan | MTecknology: Yep same here, good call ;) |
| 00:50.58 | kyevan | FOUND IT! Desktop -> Administration -> System Monitor |
| 00:51.08 | K-Ryan | Yup =) |
| 00:51.32 | K-Ryan | Now to get rid of an "uninterruptible" process... |
| 00:52.14 | kyevan | Anyway, how the heck are people NOT throwing a fit over bnetd being packaged? You would think the whole "DMCA Threat" thing would make most people go nuts >_> |
| 00:52.37 | MTecknology | how much difference is there between ubuntu and debian... I know debian is better for a server b/c of the longer release dates and i'm told it's generally more stable - i'm just curious if there's any other significant differences |
| 00:52.49 | K`zan | Interesting... |
| 00:52.56 | K`zan | Sane seems to either find or put the scanner where it isn't! |
| 00:53.04 | K`zan | lsusb: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 04f9:014b Brother Industries, Ltd |
| 00:53.08 | Ronin | MTecknology: and we make an excellent desktop as well |
| 00:53.23 | K`zan | Failed to open device `brother:bus4,dev1`:Error during device I/O. |
| 00:53.27 | krazykit | MTecknology, debian officially supports a far larger number of packages, for one. |
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| 00:53.48 | K-Ryan | MTecknology: I just started using Debian on my desktop, used Kubuntu and use it on my laptop. As for the surface there isn't much of a difference to me. |
| 00:53.57 | K`zan | But windoz and ubuntu both have no problems with either of the scanners... |
| 00:54.03 | K-Ryan | Beyond that, you need people with more experience. |
| 00:54.43 | MTecknology | I can imagine my experience will be MUCH better that dealing with our Fedora 7 servers |
| 00:54.44 | K`zan | USB in linux(sic) seems to have some real problems :-(. |
| 00:55.05 | kyevan | MTecknology: Mmm... There have been some improvements made in usability of a few things in Ubuntu, but those usually get merged upstream and get pulled into Debian's unstable pretty quick :P |
| 00:55.17 | Kevin` | K`zan eh? i've never had problems with linux in general, what do you mean |
| 00:56.02 | simonrvn | and vice versa... |
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| 00:56.17 | K`zan | Kevin`: Had a lot of problems with USB under ubuntu that largely disappeared when I switched to deb4, now sane is either finding or trying to put the scanners where they aren't. |
| 00:56.24 | MTecknology | kyevan: so... Debian forked Ubuntu and Ubuntu basically became Debain's upstream unstable?? |
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| 00:56.45 | simonrvn | MTecknology: no |
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| 00:56.57 | K`zan | Kevin`: Both work fine under ubuntu or wincrap, can scan off the xp install in the vm with no problem, so I'll just live with that. |
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| 00:57.01 | loupgaroublond | MTecknology, swap the two :P |
| 00:57.02 | MTecknology | anything close to that? |
| 00:57.11 | simonrvn | MTecknology: no |
| 00:57.17 | loupgaroublond | MTecknology, but with alot of changes |
| 00:57.23 | snowbird1 | hey i got my .deb file instlled |
| 00:57.29 | kyevan | Kevin`: Well, I've seen a bad USB device and app (palm pilot and any sync tool) cause linux to think there is no keyboard >_> |
| 00:57.31 | Kevin` | K`zan is the error from sane or the kernel usb stack? |
| 00:57.33 | simonrvn | snowbird1: cool |
| 00:57.37 | kyevan | Even though it's not even a USB keyboard. |
| 00:58.21 | snowbird1 | next ? is how do i make it start |
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| 00:59.53 | K`zan | Kevin`: As near as I can tell, the errors come out of sane, been looking at stuff in /var/log to see if I can find out anything. |
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| 01:00.06 | simonrvn | MTecknology, loupgaroublond: ubuntu was started by cononical. there were/are some DDs that went to work for them, either completely or partially, working on both. ubuntu and debian share code to a certain point, but the packages end up being very different, as they have different target goals, requirements, and policies. |
| 01:00.10 | ozatomic | my exim4 keeps saying retry "time not reached for any host after a long failure period" how can i debug this? |
| 01:00.15 | sparr | localepurge just deleted over 100MB worth of locale data that i didn't want... thats both amazing and disturbing. does debian have any system to legitimately manage locale data? its silly to waste that much disk space on files that I will never use. |
| 01:00.25 | simonrvn | er, canonical even |
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| 01:01.04 | simonrvn | snowbird1: make it start? what did you install exactly? |
| 01:01.06 | K`zan | Kevin`: What is odd is that I can scan from the wincrap xp installed under vmware on the same box. |
| 01:01.10 | Kevin` | K`zan do other programs work that access usb devices directly? |
| 01:01.22 | Kevin` | K`zan i'll take that as a yes |
| 01:01.26 | K`zan | Kevin`: Everything but the scanners under sane. |
| 01:01.44 | K`zan | Kevin`: Joystick and camera work fine. |
| 01:01.44 | Kevin` | K`zan upgrade sane, perhaps, to the version ubuntu uses if they are different? |
| 01:01.45 | simonrvn | MTecknology, loupgaroublond: IOW, they are different entities, different distributions |
| 01:01.58 | MTecknology | simonrvn: so they're oonly so close b/c the same DD's were working on both |
| 01:02.01 | Kevin` | joystick is handled by the kernel, and camera probably is too |
| 01:02.07 | K`zan | Kevin`: Not sure how I do that with deb other than getting the source and rolling my own. |
| 01:02.08 | Kevin` | not accessed directly from userspace |
| 01:02.11 | Kevin` | not that it matters |
| 01:02.25 | Kevin` | K`zan get the source and roll your own then? :) |
| 01:02.45 | snowbird1 | its runing iam sorry i amde you work hard |
| 01:02.53 | K`zan | Kevin`: Will do, just leary of combining rolling ones own and getting oddness with the package manager... |
| 01:03.08 | simonrvn | MTecknology: some yes. at ubuntu they aren't called DDs of course, but they do manage packages etc like in debian. if you install apt-listchanges you'll sometimes see ubuntu changelog right before the debian one |
| 01:03.26 | Kevin` | K`zan uninstall the normal package first, and use something like checkinstall to make a package you can remove later if needed |
| 01:03.32 | SerajewelKS | jeez, gnome gets cooler every day |
| 01:03.36 | simonrvn | snowbird1: nah, it's ok |
| 01:03.43 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: O_O |
| 01:03.51 | krenin | I didn't know that installing dependencies for packages would be so hard. |
| 01:03.53 | SerajewelKS | i was copying some stuff over scp to my desktop and forgot about it and gnome popped up a notice "/ is 100% full" |
| 01:03.54 | krenin | :( |
| 01:04.15 | Kevin` | krenin Eh? the package manager can do that for you |
| 01:04.17 | K`zan | Kevin`: Thanks for the pointer, no matter how much I learn, it seems I have so MUCH more to learn :-). |
| 01:04.17 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: a friend of mine says 2.20 is going to be kick ass *shrug* |
| 01:04.31 | simonrvn | krenin: it isn't, only if you're doing it manually |
| 01:04.36 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: 2.18 is pretty nifty |
| 01:04.42 | snowbird1 | deb installed thanks all |
| 01:04.46 | krenin | simonrvn: What's the best way to do it automatically, with apt-build. |
| 01:04.48 | SerajewelKS | i can't wait for the next-gen KDE to come out so i can compare again |
| 01:04.49 | simonrvn | snowbird1: :) |
| 01:04.50 | krenin | ? |
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| 01:04.58 | Kevin` | krenin apt-get build-dep package |
| 01:05.06 | MTecknology | simonrvn: so, If I'm going to be installing Debian as a server, should I be able to jump right into it w/o troubles? - - I've used Ubuntu a lot, and, already the installer seems just like what ubuntu used to be |
| 01:05.08 | simonrvn | krenin: so you're going ahead and rebuilding etch? |
| 01:05.09 | jelly-home | simonrvn: will it be much faster and use less resources? |
| 01:05.22 | krenin | Kevin`: I want to install a bunch of packages; is there a way to do a bunch of them? |
| 01:05.33 | krenin | simonrvn: I want to try it... |
| 01:05.43 | simonrvn | MTecknology: well they are some differences of course, but some things will be familiar, yeh |
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| 01:06.36 | simonrvn | krenin: well, good luck. it's not something i'd do, even if i have a clue what i'd be doing (not saying you don't, BTW) |
| 01:06.57 | krenin | If I could get the list of packages redirected to the apt-get build-dep command, wouldn't that install all the dependencies? |
| 01:07.23 | MTecknology | how hard is it to change my domain from cli if i choose the wrong one? |
| 01:07.34 | MTecknology | is it just in one place or a few of them? |
| 01:07.51 | simonrvn | krenin: it'll show you when you call it. also you can just use apt-rdepends or apt-cache (other tools too) |
| 01:08.11 | simonrvn | MTecknology: /etc/hosts; /etc/hostname; and probably a couple of other places |
| 01:08.50 | MTecknology | alrighty |
| 01:09.06 | MTecknology | gtg - ttyaiab |
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| 01:11.40 | snowbird1 | how do i tell it to make start menu item? |
| 01:12.49 | stoned | hmm |
| 01:13.07 | snowbird1 | i got like for ubuntu and deb i truied no go |
| 01:13.08 | stoned | try update-menus |
| 01:13.32 | loupgaroublond | MTecknology, hostname foo at the command line too, but the change ain't permanent |
| 01:13.42 | stoned | package *shoulld* contain a menu entry |
| 01:14.09 | snowbird1 | did |
| 01:14.12 | snowbird1 | someting |
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| 01:14.52 | snowbird1 | not up yet |
| 01:15.08 | snowbird1 | not here long stoned u were patient |
| 01:15.14 | snowbird1 | sorry to take work of u |
| 01:18.49 | MTecknology | loupgaroublond: the hostname does need to be specific, but idk offhand what it is exactly |
| 01:18.58 | snowbird1 | any iseas |
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| 01:19.12 | MTecknology | i think it's sbs.domain |
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| 01:22.21 | snowbird1 | got it with icon |
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| 01:25.20 | snowbird1 | next is my printer cannon wit .deb file uk driver |
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| 01:26.06 | stoned | snowbird1: what is your native language? |
| 01:26.57 | snowbird1 | english |
| 01:27.27 | snowbird1 | stoned i cant spell to well i have dixla and bad fingers |
| 01:27.43 | stoned | ok |
| 01:28.10 | stoned | you must have some fun reading documentation then |
| 01:28.11 | stoned | :) |
| 01:28.18 | snowbird1 | sorry stoned i try hard to be ok |
| 01:28.28 | stoned | its no problem really, don't worry |
| 01:28.34 | snowbird1 | u helped me i left casue i could do it then poof i came back with it done |
| 01:28.37 | stoned | so what is the problem? |
| 01:28.44 | snowbird1 | nothing now |
| 01:28.47 | stoned | oh alright |
| 01:29.06 | snowbird1 | its running |
| 01:29.10 | snowbird1 | avast av |
| 01:29.13 | stoned | cool |
| 01:29.28 | snowbird1 | had to use ububtu int\stall scrip |
| 01:29.42 | snowbird1 | for gui and avast had .deb file |
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| 01:31.23 | cxemka | Which module is needed for discs larger then 2Tb? |
| 01:34.23 | stoned | why do you need avast |
| 01:34.30 | stoned | isn't avast a virus scanner? |
| 01:34.37 | liable | yes |
| 01:34.42 | liable | and he's gone |
| 01:34.44 | stoned | oh |
| 01:34.48 | stoned | damn ignores |
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| 01:42.08 | MTecknology | anybody know if vmware server requires a GUI to be installed or if I can just access it via an admin interface on another computer? |
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| 01:47.46 | karsten | MTecknology: Read your VMWare install guide. |
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| 01:48.27 | karsten | MTecknology: Depends on which server product you're installing as well. ESX is pretty much its own OS. GSX runx on top of a host OS and might be remote-installable. |
| 01:49.18 | MTecknology | karsten: i mean vmware-server |
| 01:49.59 | MTecknology | i'm hoping i don't need to install the desktop environment to get it working |
| 01:50.27 | MTecknology | that'll take longer than i want to dload, and i want to keep the system light'= |
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| 01:52.43 | snowbird | how i did that i dont even know stoner shure helped |
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| 01:53.04 | snowbird | rock mono needs to reg name |
| 01:54.00 | ozatomic | hmm i cna't get mail to send from my server |
| 01:54.10 | ozatomic | keep getting retry time not reached for any host after a long failure period |
| 01:54.29 | ozatomic | could this be becasue the outgoing port is blocked maybe? |
| 01:54.42 | simonrvn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MUOn_nJmRA |
| 01:55.26 | MTecknology | wow - nasty error message |
| 01:55.32 | simonrvn | http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/?q=screenshots |
| 01:56.01 | MTecknology | telling me that the kernel i'm installing is the same as the one installed and if i reboot now my system will be dead and i NEED to reboot soon |
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| 01:56.29 | MTecknology | w/e - it's the boss :P |
| 01:57.29 | simonrvn | uh, no it's saying you should reboot soon so it *isn't* dead |
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| 01:58.01 | snowbird | have on package that updadtes to old how gan u upgrade on package to |
| 01:58.01 | snowbird | newer one |
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| 01:58.10 | MTecknology | it said if i need to wait until the install is done b4 reboot or my system might not be able to boot again |
| 01:58.22 | MTecknology | it's gone |
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| 01:58.33 | x3on | i have a 1.4M processor and 256mb ram in my laptop... would another gig of ram make a noticeable difference in performance? |
| 01:58.57 | MTecknology | how do I get vmware-server? do I need to add a repo for it? |
| 01:59.04 | simonrvn | x3on: more ram always helps. often it fixes a lot of things |
| 01:59.53 | MTecknology | x3on: probably wouldn't see any comparison |
| 02:00.00 | simonrvn | snowbird: use synaptic or aptitude instead of just apt-get. they're better at deps handling |
| 02:00.18 | simonrvn | MTecknology: would swap less ;) |
| 02:00.38 | x3on | MTecknology, you mean i wouldn't notice a difference? |
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| 02:01.09 | simonrvn | depends on what, really. some stuff would perform better, some would be the same |
| 02:01.23 | MTecknology | x3on: like taking off a gurdle |
| 02:01.29 | MTecknology | is that how it's spelled? |
| 02:01.39 | simonrvn | 'girdle' |
| 02:01.43 | simonrvn | close :) |
| 02:02.05 | snowbird | synaptic says its old il try aptitude |
| 02:02.14 | simonrvn | snowbird: (especially aptitude) |
| 02:02.15 | snowbird | will upgrade kil my x config |
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| 02:02.24 | MTecknology | this mouse sucks... it has crap getting stuck on the edges of the rollers |
| 02:02.32 | solemnwarning | When using DBD::mysql for a SELECT query can I specify column name in execute()? |
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| 02:03.01 | simonrvn | snowbird: no, it doesn't touch it 99% of the time. the 1% it'll tell you what it's changing |
| 02:03.03 | solemnwarning | Using 'WHERE ? = ?' causes me to always get 0 results, even though strace shows it's sending it formatted correctly |
| 02:03.10 | simonrvn | afk |
| 02:06.14 | MTecknology | is this seriously the easiest way to install vmware? |
| 02:06.17 | MTecknology | http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_sarge_vmware_server_howto |
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| 02:11.55 | snowbird | got my scanning for someting wow today was good |
| 02:12.04 | solemnwarning | ..Why do I keep asking perl questions in #Debian?? |
| 02:12.21 | comex | because I've never heard of another irc channel where questions are answered ;) |
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| 02:13.12 | sparr | I am trying to configure gmediaserver, any users about? |
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| 02:13.38 | Ronin | solemnwarning: because you can't type /j #perl ;) |
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| 02:14.46 | solemnwarning | I'm in #Perl but I keep typing it in this tab :| |
| 02:15.13 | solemnwarning | and... /me throws a vista install DVD at Ronin, below normal height |
| 02:15.22 | Ronin | solemnwarning: ahh pebcak errors then i see |
| 02:15.27 | solemnwarning | :( |
| 02:15.41 | Ronin | hey no vista comments, bad enough we're going to have to run that at work one day |
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| 02:15.50 | MTecknology | is there such thing as a sources.list generator for debain? |
| 02:16.07 | Ronin | MTecknology: yep, manually editing it |
| 02:16.10 | MTecknology | i don't even have kernel headers in my repos |
| 02:16.47 | MTecknology | how do I know what to add? |
| 02:17.13 | Ronin | MTecknology: paste your sources.list to pastebin.ca |
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| 02:17.47 | MTecknology | how? |
| 02:18.00 | MTecknology | cli isntall |
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| 02:18.39 | snowbird | i did my first .deb file today |
| 02:20.39 | obnauticus | Is there a plugin for links where you can display images in ascii form |
| 02:20.40 | obnauticus | lol. |
| 02:20.45 | obnauticus | like convert all images to ASCII |
| 02:20.48 | comex | probably :/ |
| 02:20.53 | Ronin | MTecknology: ok then the easiest way is to paste 1 line of it here i guess if you're not used to cmd line browsing |
| 02:20.58 | obnauticus | I don't know what to look for though comex :/ |
| 02:21.02 | Ronin | which is a major pain in the butt btw |
| 02:21.37 | snowbird | dont know how to open tar ball yet .deb was sweet |
| 02:22.38 | comex | dri.c:2119: error: 'drmHashEntry' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 02:22.40 | comex | what an odd error |
| 02:22.47 | comex | aren't source packages supposed to compile without errors? :P |
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| 02:24.34 | MTeck | I guess my computer froze |
| 02:24.45 | MTeck | but how can that be? it's vista! |
| 02:24.47 | MTeck | :P |
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| 02:25.32 | MTeck | seriosly though, how can i paste to the net from cli? I tried apt-get install nopaste, but that wasn't an option |
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| 02:29.58 | MTecknology | Ronin: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main; deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main; deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib; deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 02:30.08 | MTecknology | that's what's in sources.list |
| 02:30.12 | beeblebrox | does anyone know a good place for networking information? |
| 02:30.38 | beeblebrox | specifically, how dhcp discover packets are sent to a dhcp server |
| 02:30.40 | comex | MTeck: why not compile a kernel? |
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| 02:31.12 | MTecknology | comex: hu? |
| 02:31.40 | MTecknology | that's a lot more work then what i'm aiming for - did it once |
| 02:32.00 | MTecknology | right now I just need to get the right repos so i can install what I want |
| 02:32.09 | comex | it usually turns out to be less work for me than getting the stupid kernel headers to work ;) |
| 02:32.52 | comex | also, why are you using stable? |
| 02:32.57 | liable | getting them to work? you just install them and thats it, they should let you compile modules |
| 02:33.16 | liable | why shouldnt he use stable? |
| 02:33.32 | MTecknology | i just need to find the repos to get the things i need |
| 02:33.36 | snowbird | liable i did .deb file today and wow it was ok. |
| 02:33.47 | comex | what exactly do you need, anyway? |
| 02:33.52 | snowbird | liable i need u to check my sources someday |
| 02:34.36 | liable | snowbird: i am sure your sources are fine |
| 02:34.39 | MTecknology | comex: b4 the dependencies i'm sur these thing will want ->kernel-headers-`uname -r` libx11-6 libx11-dev x-window-system-core x-window-system xspecs libxtst6 xlibs-dev |
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| 02:35.13 | snowbird | i need some extra stuff i have stuff that wont up date ad error that need |
| 02:35.13 | snowbird | new one |
| 02:35.23 | liable | MTecknology: they are linux-headers now |
| 02:35.38 | comex | does the rest besides kernel headers work? |
| 02:35.48 | snowbird | liable is there got net work monitor to see whats going on with my net |
| 02:36.06 | MTecknology | liable: i'll let ya know if i hit any that don't |
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| 02:36.56 | liable | snowbird: theres a few. if you have gnome it has little applets that you can use. |
| 02:37.14 | liable | aguaithefreak: fix your internet or dont leave your client running |
| 02:37.41 | snowbird | liable if u name em ill check em out i use kde but i can use gnome |
| 02:38.25 | Ronin | snowbird: i know you have "problems" but can you do us a favor? and try to type the entire word? we all know im the typo king but... |
| 02:38.41 | snowbird | sorry ronin |
| 02:38.58 | snowbird | il try bettter to do that |
| 02:39.21 | Ronin | actually you've much improved from when you first entered |
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| 02:39.44 | snowbird | ronin il be nice today thanks il do better i can go slow spell check and hit enter |
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| 02:41.18 | MTecknology | Ronin: xlibs-dev |
| 02:41.23 | MTecknology | that's the last one\ |
| 02:41.24 | snowbird | ronin u got any idea of good network monitor |
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| 02:44.02 | snowbird | ertherape good liable? |
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| 02:44.42 | liable | snowbird: never used it. try it and see if you like it |
| 02:44.55 | liable | snowbird: knemo is a kde one |
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| 02:46.34 | jk47 | hello |
| 02:46.41 | jk47 | anyone around? |
| 02:46.46 | mesof | i am |
| 02:46.52 | jk47 | good deal |
| 02:47.06 | jk47 | I was beginning to think this server was a ghost town. |
| 02:47.15 | snowbird | when did u start useing gnome |
| 02:47.28 | jk47 | Me? |
| 02:47.33 | snowbird | laible |
| 02:47.45 | x3on | xfce ftw |
| 02:49.41 | MTecknology | screen and wget combined is awesome! |
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| 02:50.11 | jk47 | screen |
| 02:50.17 | jk47 | oops..wrong window. |
| 02:50.20 | MTecknology | GNU screen |
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| 02:50.50 | snowbird | kde been best for me |
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| 02:51.44 | MTecknology | i've always liked gnome, but i need to get better at cli |
| 02:52.16 | snowbird | laible tought me comand line while back |
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| 02:53.07 | MTecknology | how good are ya? |
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| 02:53.34 | jamesstilwell3rd | ls |
| 02:53.48 | jamesstilwell3rd | man irc |
| 02:54.11 | jamesstilwell3rd | sudo apt-get install common-sense |
| 02:54.31 | snowbird | lol |
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| 02:54.43 | comex | it should be |
| 02:54.43 | comex | ls |
| 02:54.44 | comex | man irc |
| 02:54.44 | comex | ls |
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| 02:54.51 | MTecknology | i know some common sense stuff :) |
| 02:54.55 | comex | eh, you get the point |
| 02:55.01 | snowbird | i dont know that |
| 02:55.20 | MTecknology | still waiting for vmware-server to finish dloading |
| 02:57.10 | MTecknology | i'm aiming at being to the point of having windows server being installed by the end of the night, even if i don't finish it |
| 02:57.14 | snowbird | came along way since my nose was tied to book said debian on it |
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| 02:57.49 | jamesstilwell3rd | Has anyone here ever successfully installed the cluster packages for Etch? |
| 02:58.04 | jamesstilwell3rd | ccs, cman, etc? |
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| 02:58.30 | jamesstilwell3rd | Failing that, has anyone here ever successfully removed them? |
| 02:58.36 | chris__ | can someone tell me if the user has to be in the "audio" group for audio to work? |
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| 02:59.40 | jk47 | I don't think it works like that chris. |
| 03:00.08 | chris__ | jk47, well my sound is working at all, and i don't even see an audio group...so i'm not sure |
| 03:00.19 | chris__ | jk47, NOT working* |
| 03:00.24 | jamesstilwell3rd | any sound for any user? |
| 03:00.35 | chris__ | yea, basically |
| 03:01.14 | jamesstilwell3rd | you using alsa? |
| 03:01.22 | chris__ | jamesstilwell3rd, yes |
| 03:01.43 | jamesstilwell3rd | which card |
| 03:01.45 | jamesstilwell3rd | ? |
| 03:01.52 | chris__ | jamesstilwell3rd, snd-hda-intel |
| 03:02.41 | jamesstilwell3rd | run alsaconf? (as sudo) |
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| 03:03.34 | chris__ | jamesstilwell3rd, I have....i'm actually in the #alsa room getting help...and the person who is helping me asked me to ask in #debian if my user needed to be in the audio group |
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| 03:04.21 | chris__ | jamesstilwell3rd, and I don't even see an audio group in my groups |
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| 03:05.47 | jamesstilwell3rd | I just checked my systems (3 Debian systems, Etch and Lenny, all with sound) and I have no audio group either. |
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| 03:06.00 | jamesstilwell3rd | Guess the answer is no |
| 03:06.47 | liable | you should have an audio group |
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| 03:08.03 | snowbird | laible is sb card the best |
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| 03:08.12 | liable | chris__: yes, you should be in audio |
| 03:08.23 | liable | snowbird: no idea wht you are talking about |
| 03:08.33 | snowbird | sound blaster |
| 03:08.47 | snowbird | i thinking maybe get a better one |
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| 03:09.24 | liable | i dont know much about audio cards at all |
| 03:09.30 | snowbird | ok |
| 03:10.56 | chris__ | liable, but i don't have an audio group |
| 03:11.20 | chris__ | liable, and i have the same lenny install in a virtual machine, and the sound works, even with no audio group |
| 03:11.46 | snowbird | oh liable big changes leny? |
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| 03:12.27 | bonez41 | I run debian 3.1..and have xscreensaver 4.2 on this system...my son comes down and hits New Login on the dialogue..and launches his own session... is there a way to remove that New Login button from xscreensaver, or other screen savers that don't allow alternate login? |
| 03:12.47 | liable | chris__: how are you determining that you dont have an audio group? |
| 03:13.34 | chris__ | liable, under the menu "system -> administration -> users and groups |
| 03:13.47 | liable | chris__: grep audio /etc/group |
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| 03:14.48 | K`zan | Kevin`: Hi again, just going to remove those sane packages and it looks like the package manager wants to remove KDE to do it?!? |
| 03:14.54 | snowbird | i wounder ud when lenny stable up grade and if x will work? evey time i try new debian poof x troubles |
| 03:15.03 | enveezee | grep audio /etc/group |
| 03:15.04 | chris__ | liable, it returns "audio:x:29:chris" |
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| 03:15.21 | liable | chris__: right, so you are in audio group.. |
| 03:15.24 | enveezee | audio:x:29:nvz |
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| 03:16.29 | K`zan | I want to remove libsane (all sane related stuff to install current stuff), but when I select it to remove in synaptic it looks like it wants to remove KDE to do it, am I reading this right?!? |
| 03:16.35 | liable | chris__: to be sure that it should work for you, log out and log back in (just incase you managed to add yourself recently without realising) |
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| 03:17.44 | snowbird | liable how can i tell etch to fix new alsa |
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| 03:17.56 | liable | snowbird: run alsaconf |
| 03:18.16 | liable | (stab in the dark cause i didnt understand the question ;) |
| 03:18.29 | snowbird | done that still old want total ful version |
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| 03:18.46 | snowbird | not new drivers whole package |
| 03:18.46 | GuidOxD | Does anybody play tibia here? |
| 03:18.49 | noob | I have d/loaded debian live kde iso ,burned it to disc and have it running live but there appears to be no basic installer? |
| 03:19.15 | liable | noob: i dont know if the live cd is an installer |
| 03:19.17 | snowbird | debian live? |
| 03:19.23 | noob | yes |
| 03:19.29 | noob | runs well |
| 03:19.33 | noob | very fast |
| 03:19.33 | snowbird | net install> |
| 03:19.37 | noob | no |
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| 03:19.59 | noob | http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 03:20.03 | liable | noob: i would imagine the faq for it would say |
| 03:20.54 | noob | liable: In reading the wiki it appears there is only a "custom install" even for hd |
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| 03:24.27 | snowbird | debain alsa is older than dirt need to fetch young model |
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| 03:26.15 | enveezee | snowbird: you like the young models eh ? heh |
| 03:26.31 | snowbird | yeahn my alsa it to old to run my card |
| 03:26.49 | snowbird | need young tall female to stay in box |
| 03:26.55 | enveezee | can't say I've hear that one before |
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| 03:27.57 | snowbird | ahh i got tall thin female card |
| 03:28.06 | snowbird | or should i call it someting else |
| 03:28.19 | enveezee | whatever you want, its your fantasy |
| 03:28.41 | enveezee | you could call it lila for all I care |
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| 03:29.44 | snowbird | could i cant fit wide tall cards in |
| 03:29.48 | _lyte_ | hi, how do i search for windows machine in the network and detect the OS ? (xp or 2003 or vista)... something remotely like findsmb.. but I want to find all windows machine ... |
| 03:30.23 | enveezee | just fire up wireshark windows machines are noisy |
| 03:30.29 | enveezee | they gossip alot |
| 03:30.37 | enveezee | its easy to spot one in a crowd |
| 03:30.47 | philips | _lyte_: nmap can classify machines sometimes too |
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| 03:31.24 | pipegeek | ello, chums |
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| 03:31.26 | speeves | yeah, look for port 135 or 139 |
| 03:31.37 | pipegeek | Let's SAMBA! |
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| 03:32.31 | _lyte_ | philips, I tried nmap but for more than 70% it tries to guess the OS. |
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| 03:32.58 | _lyte_ | philips, it shows 90% chance for win, like that.. |
| 03:34.01 | enveezee | p a c k e t s n i f f |
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| 03:37.13 | enveezee | ugh backing up 45gb off two NTFS drives is boring |
| 03:37.26 | enveezee | what is going to be exciting is reformatting.. |
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| 03:38.02 | zu22 | hi, my system time was fine yesterday buy today it is 4 hours behind, (date is still fine), how can i fix this? |
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| 03:38.16 | enveezee | zu22: apt-get install ntpdate |
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| 03:38.33 | enveezee | zu22: do you dual boot? |
| 03:38.47 | zu22 | enveezee: thanks, yes i dual boot with Winblows98 :P |
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| 03:39.21 | enveezee | zu22: yeah that will screw your clock up if you dont have the settings right |
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| 03:39.52 | enveezee | zu22: I take it you are in the 4 |
| 03:40.00 | enveezee | zu22: I take it you are in the 4:00 timezone rage :P |
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| 03:40.11 | zu22 | enveezee: and i noticed when i booted into debian tonight it told me my root partition has gone 49710 days without being checked which is impossible since i only installed this kernel 4 months ago :) |
| 03:40.24 | enveezee | heh |
| 03:40.33 | zu22 | enveezee: i am EST |
| 03:41.50 | Dewi | zu22: it's also impossible because that was in the year 1870 |
| 03:42.42 | Dewi | zu22: interestingly close to 100 years before the unix epoch. hmm. |
| 03:42.47 | zu22 | enveezee: it also said i had bad inodes and i had to say "y" to like 100 questions about deleting the bad inodes, then it asked about removing deleted/unused inodes (or maybe it was blocks) and i answered tons more questions then it fixed lost inodes, never had that happen before, hope my disk didn't get damaged, after that it ran fsck.ext2 again and finished with "fsck died with exit status 3" but when it booted again there was no problem |
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| 03:43.03 | Dewi | zu22: awesome |
| 03:43.20 | zu22 | Dewi: heh, is this normal or should i be worried? the disk is very full 90% |
| 03:43.21 | Dewi | zu22: backups! |
| 03:43.29 | SerajewelKS | zu22: this is ext2 or 3? |
| 03:43.42 | Dewi | zu22: sounds like you might have lost a bunch of files, and more might go soon |
| 03:43.47 | zu22 | Dewi: yeah i bought a USB drive for backup, do you need quick/easy way to clone my whole debian system onto the USB drive? |
| 03:43.49 | Dewi | but I'm quite a paranoid person |
| 03:43.53 | zu22 | Dewi: eek |
| 03:44.02 | zu22 | SerajewelKS: ext2 fs |
| 03:44.10 | Dewi | zu22: eep, why not ext3? |
| 03:44.12 | SerajewelKS | zu22: why the hell aren't you using ext3 |
| 03:44.19 | SerajewelKS | zu22: it's a painless update |
| 03:44.38 | SerajewelKS | zu22: if the power is pulled on ext2 your whole fs could be hosed... ext3 is journalled |
| 03:44.51 | zu22 | SerajewelKS: well ext2 was the default with my Debian install disks and i never investigating yet how to switch to ext3 |
| 03:45.06 | SerajewelKS | zu22: google it, it's pretty simple |
| 03:45.10 | zu22 | SerajewelKS: ok |
| 03:45.28 | SerajewelKS | zu22: you'll keep this kind of thing from happening again (unless the drive goes bad and then nothing will save you) |
| 03:45.42 | SerajewelKS | except backups |
| 03:45.43 | [Cadet]_ | There you go |
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| 03:45.45 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
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| 03:46.05 | zu22 | does anyone know how i could clone my root partition (system/$HOME is all on there) onto my USB disk? i would likea method that is tried and true |
| 03:46.19 | zu22 | SerajewelKS: ext3 sounds much better then |
| 03:46.45 | zu22 | i thought of using tar but since ext2 is 90% full i can't store it locally |
| 03:46.54 | zu22 | so i need copy-on-write method i guess |
| 03:47.10 | K`zan | I want to remove libsane (all sane related stuff to install current stuff), but when I select it to remove in synaptic it looks like it wants to remove KDE to do it, am I reading this right?!? |
| 03:47.12 | SerajewelKS | zu22: you can tar to the external disk... |
| 03:47.57 | zu22 | SerajewelKS: ok so i'll do "tar cvf /USBDISK/backup.tar /" |
| 03:48.05 | SerajewelKS | zu22: no |
| 03:48.14 | kritical | Is it possible to change the permissions of a folder so that all files created in that folder inherit the same permissions? |
| 03:48.30 | zu22 | SerajewelKS: oops did i get the order wrong? |
| 03:48.35 | kritical | Filesystem = etx3 |
| 03:48.47 | SerajewelKS | zu22: no, but you want this: tar --one-file-system -cvf /USBDISK/backup.tar / |
| 03:49.01 | SerajewelKS | zu22: unless you want it to recursively tar itself |
| 03:49.22 | SerajewelKS | zu22: this assumes everything you want stored is on one partition mounted on / |
| 03:49.43 | zu22 | SerajewelKS: ah sweet, thx :) |
| 03:49.45 | SerajewelKS | zu22: if it's not, e.g. /home is separate, then you'll have to do something more involved |
| 03:50.05 | SerajewelKS | zu22: because then you want to get everything but /USBDISK, /proc, /sys, /dev, and probably some others |
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| 03:50.42 | zu22 | SerajewelKS: yeah, at least for now everything lives on just the 1 partition |
| 03:50.53 | SerajewelKS | ok then just make sure you give --one-file-system |
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| 03:54.31 | zu22 | SerajewelKS: nod, thanks again |
| 03:56.36 | enveezee | zu22: blasphemey! |
| 03:56.48 | enveezee | there was nothing 100 before the epoch |
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| 03:56.59 | enveezee | there was the big bang, and then there was unix! |
| 03:58.22 | savetheWorld | unfortunately it had no output devices then, so nobody knew. |
| 03:58.33 | enveezee | heh |
| 03:58.56 | enveezee | then there was AT&T |
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| 03:59.10 | enveezee | and it all made sense why there was unix after that |
| 04:00.22 | zu22 | enveezee: lol :) |
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| 04:00.42 | enveezee | my logs show my most interesting attack to date.. nearly two hours long.. batman tried to login.. |
| 04:00.51 | enveezee | he didn't make it though |
| 04:01.01 | snowbird | what logs |
| 04:01.02 | cafuego | Chnage /etc/hostname to not be `batcave' ;-) |
| 04:01.07 | enveezee | too bad, I really thought batman could get in |
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| 04:01.34 | snowbird | what logs tell u got intruder |
| 04:01.41 | cafuego | snowbird: auth.log |
| 04:01.42 | zu22 | And it came to pass that AT&T installed NSA blaxboxes on their backbone routers and all was not well :P |
| 04:01.56 | snowbird | etc/auth/logs? |
| 04:02.18 | cafuego | No, /var/log/auth.log |
| 04:02.23 | K`zan | Is there some repository that contains more recent version of apps? The version of sane in the ?standard? repository is old compared to what is on the sane site and trying to install those shows a number of packages (dependancies) that are too old in the deb4 system as it sits? Any thoughts appreciated! |
| 04:02.54 | enveezee | snowbird: yeah looks like this.. heh ug 8 05:31:50 localhost sshd[17228]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! |
| 04:03.23 | dan2 | cafuego: yo |
| 04:03.27 | dan2 | peterS: yo |
| 04:03.31 | dan2 | asg: yo |
| 04:04.18 | enveezee | I will have to get the rest of the security policy setup cause I cant keep reading all this manually.. need auto admin.. |
| 04:04.28 | enveezee | fail2ban |
| 04:05.48 | Dewi | can I invoke bash in such a way that it will run a command, but then give me a prompt instead of exiting? |
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| 04:06.46 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: |
| 04:07.01 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: yes, but generally you don't do that sort of thing |
| 04:07.30 | snowbird | u open in shell? there locked as user |
| 04:07.31 | dondelelcaro | (you either have an interactive shell which is connected to a terminal, or a shell that isn't; in the latter case, you just execute a command, in the former case you execute commands in .bashrc or similar. |
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| 04:08.06 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: well I just want to be able to read the output of the script I'm invoking |
| 04:08.20 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: the the putty window closes when it's done |
| 04:08.44 | Dewi | .... which I could turn off, yes. |
| 04:08.45 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: oh, so add foocmd && readline; or similar. |
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| 04:08.55 | dondelelcaro | (or foocmd; readline) |
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| 04:09.22 | dondelelcaro | s/readline/read/ |
| 04:09.24 | Dewi | aaah. yeah. |
| 04:09.26 | zu22 | enveezee: that is the price of more secutity - more root mail ugh! i get like 100 messages / day from my various IDS/protocol loggers etc.. |
| 04:09.58 | cafuego | dan2: sorry , mouse batteries ran dry :-P |
| 04:11.10 | zu22 | enveezee: i'm investigating going with snort, supposed to have some intelligent log parsers and then you only get mail when something REALLY suspicious happens, of course a good hacker would probably be able to cover their tracks but i guess 90% attempts are from script kiddies and other lusers |
| 04:11.55 | zu22 | cafuego: what you don't have a mouse powered by the electrical output of your fingers? my my :) |
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| 04:13.23 | zu22 | lol |
| 04:13.49 | yigal | why should anyone click on a message |
| 04:14.47 | zu22 | something seems amiss when ntp is only 427KB but ntp-doc is 925KB, so roughly 2 lines of docs per line of code :P |
| 04:15.25 | Dewi | zu22: that's not amiss at all. Particularly since you're talking about binary code, not source |
| 04:15.50 | Dewi | that does seem like a lot of text though |
| 04:16.01 | yigal | zu22: i wish all programs were equally well documented - i think |
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| 04:16.34 | zu22 | Dewi: ah right |
| 04:17.02 | yigal | zu22: although i remember reading through samba documentation that was difficult, and i didn't like the idea of having to connect linux to debian |
| 04:17.10 | zu22 | yigal: yeah it's funny i've noticed some relatively small packages have ample docs while some larger more complex packages have barebone docs |
| 04:17.36 | Dewi | hmm |
| 04:17.40 | Guerin | zu22: if you think hard you'll understand why that is so. |
| 04:17.42 | Dewi | /bin/bash has twice as many chars as man bash |
| 04:17.55 | Dewi | but that's not the full manual |
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| 04:18.16 | yigal | Dewi: that is one interesting fact |
| 04:18.18 | Dewi | (gnu info, bah) |
| 04:18.38 | zu22 | Guerin: well i realize that the more code the more effect required to document all the functionality , etc.. but is it ok to say "we wrote the code that's enough, make your own docs!" - maybe it is, not sure but Debian should make sure package maintainers give good docs if humanly possible :) |
| 04:18.45 | zu22 | s/effect/work |
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| 04:19.09 | yigal | Dewi: you meant s/man/info ? |
| 04:19.19 | Dewi | yigal: no, man |
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| 04:19.34 | Dewi | it upsets me |
| 04:20.01 | snowbird | how u veiw locked logs can u log on as root |
| 04:20.40 | Guerin | zu22: no, the point is that if you dedicate, say, 100 person-hours to documenting a reasonable-sized tool, you can do a pretty good job of it; whereas if you do the same for a huge tool you barely even get the --help done |
| 04:20.51 | Guerin | snowbird: su |
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| 04:21.06 | speeves | or add the user to the adm group |
| 04:21.08 | snowbird | yeah theen shell? |
| 04:21.15 | snowbird | or nano |
| 04:21.16 | Guerin | snowbird: no, use the shell. |
| 04:21.18 | zu22 | Guerin: ah i see, cost/benefit issue |
| 04:21.21 | yigal | Dewi: I can see man1/bash.1.gz = 76k, how do you get /bin/bash * 2 approx 1.3M? |
| 04:21.21 | Guerin | snowbird: use `less' |
| 04:21.25 | snowbird | ok il do that |
| 04:21.34 | yigal | Dewi: :) |
| 04:21.39 | Guerin | any of youse fullas know anything about graphics tablets? |
| 04:21.58 | Dewi | yigal: I'm not talking about compressed |
| 04:22.13 | Dewi | yigal: and it's half, not double |
| 04:22.26 | zu22 | Guerin: maybe maintainers could each have their own wiki off the their debian.org homepages where people could help them with the documentation |
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| 04:22.38 | yigal | Dewi: yes, I know sorry I realized my error, but was too slow to type it |
| 04:22.48 | Guerin | zu22: ... because user-submitted documentation is useful |
| 04:22.57 | zu22 | Guerin: yeah |
| 04:23.02 | snowbird | i want to update one package how just one |
| 04:23.15 | Guerin | snowbird: aptitude install packagename |
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| 04:23.54 | Dewi | Guerin: developer-written documentation is in short supply |
| 04:24.09 | yigal | Dewi: 252K still not quite half, but I see you point |
| 04:24.46 | Dewi | yigal: you've got a short man bash then. it's over 300kb on FC3 and Debian sarge |
| 04:25.11 | ice63 | hmm did flashplugin-nonfree get fix yet for etch ? |
| 04:25.13 | yigal | Dewi: i guess that's what happens when you use unstable :( :) |
| 04:25.15 | snowbird | thanks how i clear my mouse? |
| 04:25.28 | Guerin | ice63: was it a security problem? If not, then no. |
| 04:25.45 | Guerin | snowbird: your question is nonsensical |
| 04:25.46 | ice63 | Guerin: ok |
| 04:26.03 | snowbird | ok when i cant cut and paste |
| 04:26.13 | Guerin | snowbird: ... |
| 04:26.14 | snowbird | it rembered old cut and paste |
| 04:26.27 | Guerin | snowbird: select something else |
| 04:26.37 | snowbird | ok |
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| 04:29.10 | krenin | Hello... |
| 04:29.37 | yigal | does anyone know a nice companion to mutt for making appointments ? I made the move Evo -> Mutt but I don't know what to use for calendar/appointments etc. |
| 04:30.07 | yigal | I am fine with plain text but I have a blackberry that I am trying to interact with and sync with |
| 04:30.30 | Guerin | yigal: cron |
| 04:30.36 | Guerin | or at |
| 04:30.53 | yigal | Guerin: I agree but syncing with a pda/smartphone is the problem |
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| 04:31.24 | Guerin | do they run windows or something? |
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| 04:33.07 | yigal | Guerin: its just that the memo/appointment/calendar files on the blackberry are encrypted and can only be gotten to 1/2 way at present. |
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| 04:33.16 | dondelelcaro | yigal: there are a few different things that will read ical; you want to pick one of them |
| 04:33.37 | yigal | dondelelcaro: are there any terminal based ones |
| 04:34.07 | zu22 | cafuego: (-; |
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| 04:35.51 | twb | Any apt-cacher fans in the audience? I occasionally get errors like this (Debian server, Ubuntu client): |
| 04:35.51 | twb | E: Failed to fetch http://apt:3142/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/a/atlas3/atlas3-base_3.6.0-20.6_i386.deb: Size mismatch |
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| 04:36.15 | twb | I'm a bit puzzled as to how to actually fix it. |
| 04:36.27 | dondelelcaro | yigal: not that I found, but an apt-cache search ical; may help. If you find a good one, let me know. |
| 04:36.38 | RockerMONO | anyone know x86 assembly? |
| 04:36.49 | Guerin | RockerMONO: why would you ask in here? |
| 04:36.55 | Guerin | RockerMONO: ask a programming channel |
| 04:37.02 | RockerMONO | Guerin: erm... cuz nobody knows in ##linux ? |
| 04:37.12 | RockerMONO | Guerin: programming channel like?.... |
| 04:37.15 | twb | RockerMONO: #asm? |
| 04:37.20 | twb | ##asm, rather. |
| 04:37.24 | Guerin | RockerMONO: #asm might be a start |
| 04:37.26 | twb | RockerMONO: /msg chanserv list *asm* |
| 04:37.27 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:38.37 | ski | user 'nobody' suddenly did a 'find' through the file-system .. any idea of what purpose that could be ? (i'm running sarge, not much changed configuration, i think) |
| 04:38.55 | zu22 | lol |
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| 04:39.20 | yigal | RockerMONO: your a punk you have MONO in your name |
| 04:39.24 | twb | ski: yeah, it could easily be something like slocate |
| 04:39.38 | zu22 | yigal: MONO and C# are abominations! |
| 04:39.49 | RockerMONO | yigal, zu22: what? |
| 04:39.49 | twb | yigal: *you're |
| 04:39.51 | Guerin | !start a language war |
| 04:39.51 | dpkg | Logo is better than LITHP |
| 04:39.54 | yigal | zu22: absolutely |
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| 04:40.15 | RockerMONO | i dont even know what the hell you people are talking about |
| 04:40.18 | valdyn | ski: more /etc/cron.daily/find |
| 04:40.25 | twb | Yeah, let's compare "LISP" to it's contemporaries like BCPL |
| 04:40.37 | twb | Back before standards bodies invented lowercase |
| 04:40.38 | Guerin | RockerMONO: they're just having a programmer wang-fest |
| 04:40.42 | cafuego | twb: You get that too, huh? I think joxer wrote apt-cacher, maybe he needs a beating. |
| 04:40.52 | ski | twb : that being ? |
| 04:40.56 | twb | cafuego: I only switched to it cos some LUV guy talked it up |
| 04:41.02 | cafuego | heh |
| 04:41.03 | twb | ski: BCPL is C's daddy |
| 04:41.06 | yigal | twb: hello, you were going to say? not flaming, not trying to spray hate, just don't know why someone would want MONO in there name |
| 04:41.20 | Guerin | yigal: their |
| 04:41.22 | twb | yigal: perhaps he reads manga |
| 04:41.24 | Guerin | fucking illiterates |
| 04:41.30 | RockerMONO | Guerin: good for them. |
| 04:41.34 | twb | cafuego: I freely admit that apt-proxy had just as many problems |
| 04:41.52 | ski | twb : sorry .. 'slocate' i meant to inquiry about |
| 04:41.53 | cafuego | twb: I've had it happen twice in ~ 4GB of packages, so it doesn't happen often.. byt my workaround is to fetch the pkg directly from the mirror via wget and bung it in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 04:42.02 | yigal | Guerin: ty, s/there/their |
| 04:42.05 | Guerin | ski: something that you want to run on your system. |
| 04:42.06 | twb | ski: slocate as in locate(1), updatedb. |
| 04:42.09 | snowbird | RockerMONO: |
| 04:42.17 | cafuego | Not pretty, but I invariably have no time o actually look at what went wrong and why |
| 04:42.22 | RockerMONO | snowbird: yea? |
| 04:42.24 | twb | cafuego: that is a PITA when one is not the admin |
| 04:42.27 | snowbird | di u reg name |
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| 04:42.33 | snowbird | id like to pm u |
| 04:42.41 | twb | cafuego: IOW, people have to come say "hey twb, fix my package I can't do any work on this chroot" |
| 04:43.00 | Guerin | yigal: remember: They're sitting at their table over there. |
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| 04:43.08 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.12 | RockerMONO | snowbird: just PM me =p |
| 04:43.13 | twb | ski: if it's still running, find out what the parent process is |
| 04:43.31 | zu22 | !u |
| 04:43.31 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 04:43.38 | krenin | I'm still trying to figure out what the best & easiest way to compile all of Etch would be... |
| 04:43.46 | dondelelcaro | krenin: why would you want to do that? |
| 04:43.50 | yigal | Guerin: now your being pedantic |
| 04:43.53 | Guerin | krenin: the best way would be to not bother. |
| 04:43.58 | Guerin | yigal: YOU'RE |
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| 04:44.08 | Guerin | jesus, did you not finish primary school? |
| 04:44.16 | cafuego | twb: I suppose there's a chance it's due to the mirror being out of sync... |
| 04:44.22 | krenin | dondelelcaro: To get the processor optimzations for Pentium-MMX, K6-2, and Athlon XP... |
| 04:44.23 | dondelelcaro | krenin: I mean, you can rather easily write a script to send stuff to pbuilder or set up an sbuild, but it's not really worth bothering with. |
| 04:44.28 | Guerin | krenin: use gentoo |
| 04:44.32 | yigal | Guerin: you have a lovely potty mouth, so I imagine you haven't either |
| 04:44.33 | krenin | er, optimizations... |
| 04:44.36 | cafuego | Guerin: There were no primary schools in biblical times and wow, that's one weird-ass prayer. |
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| 04:44.40 | dondelelcaro | krenin: in the cases where those "processor optimizations" mater, they're already done. |
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| 04:45.00 | twb | cafuego: I doubt it. |
| 04:45.11 | krenin | dondelelcaro: I found some nice speed improvement on the ones I've done for Athlon XP so far... |
| 04:45.12 | yigal | cafuego: what does biblical times have to do with any of this? |
| 04:45.15 | twb | cafuego: I'm fetching directly from the primary mirror specifically to avoid that |
| 04:45.23 | krenin | dondelelcaro: How hard is it to set up an sbuild? |
| 04:45.26 | cafuego | twb: jesus and primary school |
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| 04:45.33 | twb | Because as we know, planetmirror (ftp.au) are fucks. |
| 04:45.34 | Guerin | !eviscerate yigal |
| 04:45.34 | dpkg | yigal was eviscerated by a fiend. S/he will not be mourned. |
| 04:45.42 | snowbird | RockerMONO: u get it or fall asleep |
| 04:45.50 | RockerMONO | snowbird: i didn't get it |
| 04:45.53 | twb | snowbird: plonk. Please use English. |
| 04:45.54 | ski | twb : no, it wasn't .. and i can't see it from backlog of 'ps' or 'top' |
| 04:45.55 | dondelelcaro | krenin: fairly easy, but it's not something I'm particularly interested in explaining. The software is packaged and in Debian. |
| 04:46.00 | snowbird | thast caue u arnt reg |
| 04:46.09 | RockerMONO | snowbird: i'm registered and identified. |
| 04:46.19 | snowbird | odd |
| 04:46.19 | Guerin | twb: careful, someone might accuse you of being pedantic. |
| 04:46.20 | zu22 | config'ing a kernel by hand is a big PITA, i did it once and ever since use debian kernels |
| 04:46.28 | cafuego | twb: I'll make a mental note to check the cacher log hnext time it happens, see if the transfer failed OR the verify step failed. |
| 04:46.29 | snowbird | il check my end |
| 04:46.29 | RockerMONO | snowbird: did you remember to identify? |
| 04:46.35 | snowbird | checking |
| 04:46.44 | twb | ski: you understand that `nobody' is routinely used when relinquishing priviledges? |
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| 04:46.59 | ski | twb : i assumed so, yes |
| 04:47.19 | yigal | Guerin: thank you for being so compassionate to me, now because my abdomen is removed I will no longer have to listen to you |
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| 04:48.26 | cafuego | snowbird: You weren't regged. |
| 04:48.37 | ski | twb : i just became a little bit worried when the system starts swapping for no reason that i can discern |
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| 04:49.47 | cafuego | ski: All systems do, unless they are manually misconfigured not to (or have no swap space to begin with) |
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| 04:51.11 | dondelelcaro | swapping out useless bits is good |
| 04:51.18 | ski | (clarification, i wasn't sitting at the box when it started swapping, and it continued after the heavy screen-saver was stopped) |
| 04:51.51 | Guerin | yigal: hurray! |
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| 04:52.10 | aldin | can someone tell me what ! and x mean in /etc/group |
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| 04:53.32 | yigal | Guerin: eye cnt her;e anitng |
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| 04:59.35 | Nopalin | what does this error mean? gconfaudiosrc ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=chat: Could not open resource for writing. |
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| 05:00.45 | Guerin | i think it might translate to something like `Hi, I'm GNOME and I'm utter crap.' |
| 05:01.04 | yigal | Guerin: hey at least we agree on that fact. |
| 05:01.26 | Nopalin | hehe, do you have an idea of how can i solve it? |
| 05:01.26 | Guerin | the impossible, made possible by the crapness of GNOME |
| 05:01.35 | Guerin | Nopalin: stop using gnome -> solved |
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| 05:01.42 | Guerin | that'll be $150 |
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| 05:02.19 | graytron | Guerin: can i come work for you? |
| 05:02.51 | Guerin | graytron: I am sufficiently endowed with minions at present. |
| 05:02.56 | Nopalin | Guerin: sorry, my mistake.. i want to capture audio from input mic, but when i use soudn recordes it got crash, i use sound properties and test audio capture, then that message comes in |
| 05:02.57 | zu22 | Guerin: firefox can give gnome a run for it's money in sheer bloatedness but KDE is even worse, if only there were an alternate desktop system we could use, a GNU choice <wink> |
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| 05:03.26 | Guerin | Nopalin: try using `rec' instead of the retarded soundrecorder |
| 05:03.41 | Nopalin | Guerin: dont you like gnome eh |
| 05:03.41 | ski | zu22 : are you hinting at GNU Screen ? |
| 05:03.47 | yigal | zu22: dwm :) |
| 05:03.51 | Guerin | Nopalin: very perceptive of you. |
| 05:04.11 | Nopalin | Guerin: may i know why? |
| 05:04.26 | Guerin | Nopalin: because of errors like the one you describe. |
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| 05:04.44 | zu22 | ski/yigal: :) ask Guerin he knows |
| 05:05.04 | Nopalin | Guerin: what graphical environmetn you recommend? |
| 05:05.05 | yigal | Its big, its slow, it crashes, its documentation is always old == gnome |
| 05:06.04 | Guerin | Nopalin: the one you like. I use evilwm. |
| 05:06.41 | Guerin | BUGS |
| 05:06.44 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:06.45 | Nopalin | Guerin: in what package rec command comes? |
| 05:06.49 | Guerin | Nopalin: sox |
| 05:07.01 | Guerin | the above is from `man evilwm' |
| 05:08.14 | Nopalin | Guerin: thanks, i'll try that but i really dont think gnome is the problem |
| 05:08.29 | Guerin | well ... that is a gconf error, and gnome is gconf. |
| 05:08.56 | Guerin | but since gconf errors are incomprehensible, there's no way to tell what's really wrong |
| 05:09.11 | Guerin | if you get an error using rec it might at least be in plain english |
| 05:09.25 | yigal | Guerin: except that there is a problem with GNOME. |
| 05:09.30 | Nopalin | haha, well let's see |
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| 05:10.30 | Guerin | yigal: quite. |
| 05:10.55 | zu22 | yigal: xmms dumps core every time i quit hehe |
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| 05:11.37 | cafuego | File > Quit just does a exit(SIGCORE) ;-) |
| 05:11.46 | yigal | zu22: have you tried xmms2? its pretty nice |
| 05:12.36 | yigal | sorry Guerin s/its/it's |
| 05:12.43 | zu22 | yigal: nope, i'll try it thx |
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| 05:14.50 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: no, it's a gstreamer error |
| 05:15.23 | blahdeblah | Hi. Is it normal for eSATA only to work on 1.5 Gbps (i.e. with the drive jumpered to prevent 3.0 Gbps operation)? |
| 05:15.36 | yigal | SerajewelKS: still a GNOME error :) |
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| 05:16.27 | SerajewelKS | yigal: that's like saying a kio error message is a KDE error. it's correct in essence but not as helpful, and it attributes the error to the whole environment when it's not. |
| 05:16.35 | zu22 | cafuego: maybe if i file a bug it will only do a SIGHUP ;-) |
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| 05:17.03 | yigal | SerajewelKS: absolutely, my whole argument is to stop using GNOME, so the argument works for me |
| 05:17.20 | SerajewelKS | yigal: indeed. you make a faulty argument too. |
| 05:17.29 | yigal | SerajewelKS: the environment is not a good one, and produces too many bugs |
| 05:17.44 | yigal | SerajewelKS: the applications having many bugs in them speaks clearly too me |
| 05:18.06 | SerajewelKS | yigal: to each his own. over here i find it pretty usable and stable. |
| 05:18.40 | SerajewelKS | yigal: "don t use X because i don't like X" is not a helpful or useful argument |
| 05:18.48 | yigal | SerajewelKS: good enjoy, its just too much stuff for me to deal with personally |
| 05:19.08 | yigal | SerajewelKS: of course but don't use X because of Y is a reasonable beginning of an argument |
| 05:19.18 | SerajewelKS | Nopalin: you might also look at audacity |
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| 05:19.29 | phorce1 | OK, so I'm poking around trying to learn how to use udev rules to fix the way my SCSI ans SATA drives get arranged. At some point I snap to a basic question. WHEN do the rules get applied? They are stored in /etc/udev so the system has to be booted before they can take effect, right? |
| 05:19.38 | SerajewelKS | yigal: when the underlying reason is still distaste it's not a good argument regardless |
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| 05:20.15 | Nopalin | SerajewelKS: the problem is that i want to use skype.. and skype does not work either |
| 05:20.26 | yigal | SerajewelKS: it is not distaste simply because I am distasteful it is because I believe there are better applications and better environments for work and play than GNOME |
| 05:20.47 | yigal | and what GNOME provides in terms of applications |
| 05:21.07 | SerajewelKS | yigal: i have yet to find a better one on linux |
| 05:21.26 | dondelelcaro | phorce1: they get run when udev starts; you can also run udevtrigger |
| 05:21.26 | twb | SerajewelKS: Emacs. |
| 05:21.34 | SerajewelKS | Nopalin: your default audio source might be misconfigured |
| 05:21.46 | SerajewelKS | twb: haha don't get me started on that one :P |
| 05:22.19 | SerajewelKS | twb: if i want an editor that does too much i have OOo writer |
| 05:22.21 | Nopalin | SerajewelKS: in gnome? well may you tell me where i choose the default? |
| 05:23.11 | yigal | SerajewelKS: there are a few camps on what is a good environment. I am a minimalist and do not enjoy code that I can't understand. Others don't care too much about this but its important that people realize there are alternatives to using sluggish applications in a sluggish environment. |
| 05:23.19 | SerajewelKS | Nopalin: hmm, it seems to either have been removed in lenny or is in a package, one moment |
| 05:23.26 | Nopalin | ok.. en gconf-editor -> system -> gstreamer -> audio -> default.... alsa is configured, my audio card is an intel hight definition.. |
| 05:23.47 | SerajewelKS | yigal: again, i find gnome not sluggish. it's not blazing but it's so much faster than for example KDE. |
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| 05:24.30 | phorce1 | dondelelcaro: The thing is, what happens on this Sparc is hat the SATA drive is completely invisible until the linux kernel grabs hold. When the Linux kernel comes up it finds the SATA drive first and assigns it to /dev/sda. But when I installed Debian, the SCSI drive was /dev/sda. Because of this the system cannot find '/' at boot time. That means '/etc/' is also not visible (boot hangs waiting fo the root flesystem). |
| 05:24.35 | yigal | SerajewelKS: compared to dwm and cli interface it is very slow and stupid imo |
| 05:24.45 | travellingSalesM | hi, how can i set the video output to X? mplayer, realplayer , totem all of them just play me the sound with a blue screen |
| 05:24.50 | SerajewelKS | yigal: anything is slow compared to cli |
| 05:24.59 | SerajewelKS | yigal: and fwiw i do use terminal for most things |
| 05:25.08 | yigal | SerajewelKS: it depends on what one is trying to get done |
| 05:25.16 | dondelelcaro | phorce1: you just need to fix what root= in the boot loader, and then tweak your fstab. |
| 05:25.20 | SerajewelKS | yigal: but it's nice to be able to attach a printer and have it Just Work without messing around |
| 05:25.22 | dondelelcaro | phorce1: the udev rules won't get applied until later. |
| 05:25.44 | twb | yigal: so you understand the microcode that's controlling your RISC CPU? |
| 05:25.48 | SerajewelKS | Nopalin: i'm not an expert with gstreamer pipelines so i'm not sure what to tell you |
| 05:25.50 | cafuego | sorry, what? |
| 05:25.58 | SerajewelKS | Nopalin: but it sounds like a default is misconfigured somewhere |
| 05:26.03 | Nopalin | SerajewelKS: no problem |
| 05:26.06 | cafuego | ugh |
| 05:26.14 | yigal | twb: I wish, perhaps one day :), do you? |
| 05:26.17 | Nopalin | SerajewelKS: letme rerun alsaconfig |
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| 05:26.34 | twb | I don't "do" hardware. |
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| 05:26.41 | travellingSalesM | anyone can help me plz? i have all the video plugins, but all the players only play the sound with a blue screen |
| 05:26.44 | twb | It is messy and physical |
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| 05:27.24 | StarWars | zz |
| 05:27.31 | Guerin | travellingSalesM: you're missing a video codec |
| 05:27.43 | twb | cafuego: grr, this is about the 8th package to Size mismatch |
| 05:27.45 | Guerin | travellingSalesM: try a different file or download the appropriate codec |
| 05:27.55 | phorce1 | dondelelcaro: yuck. I don't know what "root=" when the SATA drive is plugged in because I haven't gotten the system to boot yet when I plug it in. Catch22. Time to read up on modifying the SILO boot loader. I'm thinking I may end up having to compile a kernel with the SATA drivers as a module that gets loaded WAY down in the list to make life easier. |
| 05:28.10 | twb | cafuego: I mean today, during a single install |
| 05:28.23 | twb | phorce1: guess. |
| 05:28.32 | twb | phorce1: it's bound to be /dev/sda or similar |
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| 05:28.38 | cafuego | twb: That's insane. Nothing in cacher's log? |
| 05:28.46 | travellingSalesM | Guerin: no, i can set mplayer -vo X11 filename and it works but the problem is that i can not see my realplayer files with mplayer and realplayer doesn't accept this -vo X11 option |
| 05:28.47 | twb | cafuego: eh, lemme look... |
| 05:28.52 | yigal | good night time for some electric sheep |
| 05:28.58 | cafuego | (assuming it logs...) |
| 05:29.00 | phorce1 | dondelelcaro: I'll have to try guessing at the root= for now and this box takes about 10 minutes just to POST between boots. |
| 05:29.18 | Guerin | travellingSalesM: so use mplayer. realplayer is shite anyhow. |
| 05:29.19 | twb | cafuego: nope |
| 05:29.24 | zu22 | phorce1: 10 mins? why so long? |
| 05:29.26 | twb | cafuego: no errors, that is |
| 05:29.29 | phorce1 | twb: yeah --- that's what I figured. |
| 05:29.30 | travellingSalesM | Guerin: I am looking for a way to set my default video output or something like that. |
| 05:29.43 | Guerin | travellingSalesM: you should be using -vo xv anyway |
| 05:29.56 | Guerin | travellingSalesM: you can set that in mplayer's config file |
| 05:29.58 | phorce1 | zu22: It's a Sparc server class machine <heh> |
| 05:30.03 | twb | cafuego: I "fix" each package thusly: ssh -t ares sudo find /var/cache/apt-cacher -name libmad0_\* -exec rm {} + |
| 05:30.30 | zu22 | phorce1: ah, i am trying to resurrect my Sparc IPX and get Debian on it |
| 05:30.36 | travellingSalesM | Guerin: but how can i do it for X, so i don't need to do that for every and each player |
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| 05:31.14 | zu22 | streuner: moin |
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| 05:31.33 | argentum|debian | whassup debian massive... |
| 05:31.45 | phorce1 | zu22: It is a Sun E450 with quad 480MHz CPUs, 4Gig of ram, 20 drive bays that I'm slowly filling and some non-Sun stuff that I'm hacking in (like the SATA drives and an Intel dual Gigabit NIC) |
| 05:31.46 | argentum|debian | hittin you up from the inspiron on debian lenny |
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| 05:32.13 | argentum|debian | how do i make the sigmatel codec work with alsa dudes |
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| 05:32.45 | andyp_ | hi |
| 05:32.51 | zu22 | phorce1: sounds like you will use it for a production server eh? |
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| 05:33.00 | streuner | hi |
| 05:33.25 | andyp_ | anyone familiar with a xterm type shell called officepower or poweroffice? |
| 05:33.36 | twb | cafuego: transcript of a single run, fyi: http://paste.lisp.org/display/45903 |
| 05:34.04 | andyp_ | streuner:hi |
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| 05:34.55 | roler | n /etc/network/interfaces, what is the difference between auto eth0 and allow-hotplug eth0 ??? |
| 05:35.30 | phorce1 | zu22: a 20 year old box? No. Personal toy/server. Kind of production because it will serve all of my personal domain web space and will hold eb archives for a couple of email lists I'm on using Lurker. It will also be my personal mail server and probably a media server (music and video) using VLC or some such in-house on the private net (that's what he SATA drives are for) |
| 05:37.58 | Guerin | roler: auto will bring it up without trying too hard - allow-hotplug will do anything necessary to bring it up |
| 05:38.23 | roler | Guerin: ; thanks ! |
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| 05:39.09 | Lamborghini | !help |
| 05:39.10 | Pixer | Here is the help you requested: |
| 05:39.10 | Pixer | !seen <nick> will display the last seen info for <nick> |
| 05:39.10 | Pixer | !quote add <nick> "<quote>" will add <quote> for <nick>. If a quote exists, this will overwrite the current quote. |
| 05:39.10 | Pixer | !quote <nick> will return quote for <nick> if one exists |
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| 05:39.11 | phorce1 | zu22: If I can pry my own fingers off of the $$$ I found a box of 10 refurb 147G 80 pin Ultra320 drives for $900. USD $90 each isn't bad even for refurbs. |
| 05:39.18 | dpkg | Pixer: i haven't seen '<nick> will display the last seen info for <nick>' |
| 05:39.20 | dpkg | ADD: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A 10:-92am, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; WILL: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; ADD: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; FOR: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; .: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; IF: 12.005 (12.60/11.69), 8/9/2007 3:33pm, Opened 11.77, Volume 39,700, Change -0.401 ;; A: 35.89 (39.37/35.58), 8/9/2007 ... |
| 05:39.25 | dpkg | WILL: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A 11:-47am, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; RETURN: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; QUOTE: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; FOR: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; IF: 12.005 (12.60/11.69), 8/9/2007 3:33pm, Opened 11.77, Volume 39,700, Change -0.401 ;; ONE: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; EXISTS: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), ... |
| 05:39.43 | argentum|debian | hey #debian, my Sigmatel Stac9228 HDA intel will not make any noise, why? |
| 05:39.55 | kamoricks | Does it work properly? |
| 05:39.59 | andyp_ | death comes to all who flood |
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| 05:40.23 | argentum|debian | it seems to be detected by alsamixer, gnome mixer and identifies correctly, just no noise |
| 05:41.05 | andyp_ | ok i i would liike a xterm type shell with a white background that has a copy paste feature |
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| 05:41.35 | Guerin | andyp_: how about xterm? |
| 05:41.36 | Azar | good evening honorables |
| 05:41.45 | argentum|debian | Evening, AZAR! |
| 05:41.45 | Azar | is weekend yet? |
| 05:41.53 | Guerin | Azar: yes. |
| 05:41.59 | Nopalin | Guerin: can you help me with this error? ALSA lib pcm_dsnoop.c:606: (snd_pcm_dsnoop_open) unable to open slave |
| 05:42.03 | Guerin | i'm going to see Bobby D in an hour |
| 05:42.14 | Guerin | Nopalin: ask #alsa |
| 05:42.19 | Azar | mister Guerin, I feel like a tard today...so thanks god |
| 05:43.08 | Azar | ok is /. but I love this comment: http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=265199&cid=20169731 |
| 05:43.52 | Azar | and me naive to think that was just an earthquake last night |
| 05:43.58 | twb | cafuego: I wonder if perhaps it's because there are packages with the same name *and* version from Debian and Ubuntu, but different checksum and exact contents? |
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| 05:44.56 | Azar | Guerin: I don't know about where you live but this night we are having here, in SoCal is perfect for going fishing in the ocean |
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| 05:46.13 | Guerin | Azar: then go! |
| 05:46.24 | Guerin | we have an 80-knot southerly |
| 05:46.29 | Azar | Guerin: I don't have a boat |
| 05:46.37 | Guerin | do you have a beach? |
| 05:46.51 | Azar | Guerin: yeah but the peer is full of pedos at night |
| 05:46.55 | Azar | :) |
| 05:46.58 | Guerin | take a tazer with you |
| 05:47.03 | phorce1 | twb: Hmph, I had decided to use LVM on this system because I'll be adding drives and want to grow areas including '/' as I install packages. In my silo.conf "root=/dev/mapper/bufy-root" Where do I remap that to be /dev/sdb[1 2 3] INSTEAD OF /DEV/SDA[1 2 3]? |
| 05:47.05 | Azar | hehe |
| 05:47.16 | Guerin | tazer + salt water = zzzzzzzzzzzt |
| 05:47.25 | Azar | hahahaha |
| 05:47.29 | phorce1 | oops -- capslock at the end |
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| 05:47.47 | kamoricks | Hmm. That must be some good fishing. |
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| 05:48.00 | Guerin | they go electro-fishing in cambodia |
| 05:48.08 | twb | phorce1: huh? |
| 05:48.09 | Guerin | very bad for the local fish stocks |
| 05:48.13 | twb | phorce1: that should be automatic |
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| 05:48.40 | Azar | anyways if we are to look at " Cambridge Researcher Breaks OpenBSD Systrace" and believe it we should all go: oh NOE! sudo, systrace are baddd |
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| 05:49.19 | kamoricks | Oh no, giving someone root privilages, even on a limited basis, may comprimise the system? Who knew? |
| 05:49.24 | twb | Azar: read the chiark-really description header field :-) |
| 05:50.46 | phorce1 | twb: At install the SATA drive was not there. Linux made the SCSI drives /dev/sda and /dev/sdb. So, the mapper maps /dev/sda1 to /dev/maper/buffy-root. When I plug in the SATA drive the Linux kernel finds it BEFORE it finds the SCSI drives and assigns it as /dev/sda -- so now, /dev/mapper/buffy-root pints to an empty partition and it all comes tumbling down. |
| 05:51.02 | phorce1 | s/pints/points |
| 05:51.09 | andyp_ | which version of qt is etch running |
| 05:51.14 | twb | That shouldn't happen |
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| 05:51.43 | twb | There's magic at the end of each PV to tell autodetection it's there |
| 05:52.03 | phorce1 | The SATA controller driver loads earlier than the SCSI controller driver in the kernel. That's what causes it |
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| 05:52.36 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 05:52.40 | jetscreamer | my bug |
| 05:52.50 | jetscreamer | use uuid in menu.lst and fstab |
| 05:52.59 | jetscreamer | fix the evil root changing bug |
| 05:53.05 | jetscreamer | udev blows chunks |
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| 05:53.16 | jetscreamer | install yaird and rip out udev you won't get that |
| 05:53.39 | phorce1 | jetscreamer: menu.lst? |
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| 05:53.44 | jetscreamer | note that was 2 alternate methods not one big one |
| 05:53.50 | jetscreamer | for example |
| 05:53.57 | twb | menu.lst is a grub legacy thing |
| 05:54.09 | phorce1 | jetscreamer: Oh -- you missed the "Sparc" part of the discussion. |
| 05:54.13 | jetscreamer | /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-1-k7 root=UUID=ea04f818-555b-42f4-99dd-cc59f6e250b8 |
| 05:54.16 | jetscreamer | o |
| 05:54.18 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 05:54.24 | jetscreamer | but |
| 05:54.28 | jetscreamer | probably same bug |
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| 05:55.43 | cafuego | jetscreamer: udev rocks, my disk can be labeled with HD-DVD keys |
| 05:55.53 | jetscreamer | that's nice |
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| 05:56.02 | jetscreamer | now make it quit fucking shit up |
| 05:56.23 | phorce1 | jetscreamer: the deeper I poke the more I think I'm going to have to recompile the kernel wuth the SATA driver as a module and load it after boot. All the other options look like they'll cause problems if I switch between having the SATA drives installed or not installed. |
| 05:56.58 | jetscreamer | try using uuid in bootloader and fstab first maybe, unless you did of course |
| 05:57.09 | jetscreamer | or it's not applicable |
| 05:57.20 | Azar | twb: can't find it :) |
| 05:57.26 | jetscreamer | i have also found custom kernels don't have that problem |
| 05:57.45 | jetscreamer | i was running my own.. then one day i decided to go stock |
| 05:57.58 | phorce1 | jetscreamer: haven't tried that. I'm making a big text document of things to try because this Sparc takes about 10 minutes to POST between boots. |
| 05:58.04 | jetscreamer | silly me i removed my custom at the same time |
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| 05:59.00 | phorce1 | I've been using stock kernels for so long I'm going to have to re-learn how to build an initrd kernel <sigh> |
| 05:59.29 | kamoricks | It's in the menu. Everything is in the menu. (Unless it's in the defaults.) |
| 05:59.58 | jetscreamer | all mine were compiled in, not having initrd worked.. there was also suggestions about some kind of initrd rule to control the loading of the drivers.. the order. also, you can edit the udev rules and try to do.. something , i forget |
| 06:00.07 | jetscreamer | those were suggestions i never tried |
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| 06:00.27 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg --initrd basically |
| 06:00.31 | jetscreamer | !kp mantra |
| 06:00.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean && VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') && NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=-$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
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| 06:01.01 | Azar | pss jetscreamer, I finally managed to get grub installed and working (after 2 years of futile intents) :) |
| 06:01.09 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 06:01.14 | phorce1 | jetscreamer: I first thought of using udev rules -- but they reside in /etc/udev so they don't get read until after the root filesystem is loaded --- and it's the root filesystem that's getting lost. |
| 06:01.14 | jetscreamer | attempts |
| 06:01.23 | zu22 | Azar: what's wrong with LILO? :P |
| 06:01.23 | Azar | err yeah attempts |
| 06:01.40 | twb | phorce1: are you using an initrd? |
| 06:01.42 | Azar | zu22: I love lilo but I needed grub for Hurd |
| 06:01.59 | cafuego | phorce1: You have mixed pata and sata drives? |
| 06:02.00 | zu22 | Azar: ah the Hurd Mentality <g> |
| 06:02.01 | liable | now you just need to burn a cd and you get your debian membership badge |
| 06:02.04 | twb | zu22: you can't edit everything at boot time |
| 06:02.05 | phorce1 | twb. Right now, yes. And I think it may be required on the sparc arch. |
| 06:02.16 | twb | zu22: also, no tab completion at the boot: prompt |
| 06:02.20 | jetscreamer | if you rip out udev it will work. yaird doesn't depend on udev, mkinitramfs-tools or whatever does |
| 06:02.32 | zu22 | twb: yeah but my system is fairly stable so i don't have a need for that and i always keep redundant kernels in my lilo menu |
| 06:02.41 | twb | phorce1: then you DO have udev before the root filesystem is loaded |
| 06:02.47 | phorce1 | cafuego: I want to add the SATA drives for holding media files for serving in-house. |
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| 06:02.54 | zu22 | twb: tab completion is nice though |
| 06:02.56 | jetscreamer | grub needs to be able to find the partition the grub files are on.. lilo doesn't care... |
| 06:03.10 | Azar | zu22: being new at grub I just noticed that grub keeps 'em old kernels as well |
| 06:03.28 | cafuego | phorce1: Thing is, the 2.6.21+ kernels try to use libata, which make your pata drives also be /dev/sdX now. |
| 06:03.29 | jetscreamer | you can tell it not to or specify how many to put in the list |
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| 06:03.54 | cafuego | phorce1: If you're building by hand, just diable libata and use the old pata drivers. |
| 06:04.11 | phorce1 | twb: but if the udev rules files are in /etc/udev/xxx.conf?...? |
| 06:04.14 | jetscreamer | i really like that libata thing... it keeps trying to reset failing drives, and i was dd'ing one with the click of death and dd just kept going.. \o/ |
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| 06:04.32 | jetscreamer | till it couldn't softreset it anymore :( |
| 06:04.41 | phorce1 | cafuego: Sorry, all SCSI. I misread -- no PATA drives. SCA and SATA. |
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| 06:05.25 | jetscreamer | it's the dual controllers btw.. if you had just one it wouldn't bork |
| 06:05.49 | cafuego | aaah, ok |
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| 06:07.07 | nazgul | hi all. My debian 3.1 does not boot any more. I fear the file system is fried. It is ReiserFS. On startup it says "... ReiserFS: hda6: Removing [xxx].. done. There were 23 uncompleted unlinks/truncates. Completed." Do you agree? |
| 06:07.28 | phorce1 | twb: yes, udev is assigning he drive "letters", but it's using default rules to do so (ie. the first one it finds get assigned to /dev/sda). It can't read my custom rules and change the assignments around util it can see them in /etc. And every time I add another SATA drive the SCA drives will get shifted anothe letter down the chain (I have 4 SATA ports) |
| 06:07.32 | nazgul | It hangs after the kernel message. |
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| 06:08.45 | jetscreamer | you might try it from a livecd nazgul .. i finally had my first jfs error, on /, and fsck on boot never fixed it but from a livecd np |
| 06:08.48 | cafuego | phorce1: Woudn't it be as easy as editing the modules file on the initrd, so the sca module loads before the sata one? |
| 06:08.54 | jetscreamer | no idea though |
| 06:08.57 | phorce1 | jetscreamer: Yeah, I know. It's because the kernel "finds" the SATA controller first. At boot time, in the boot loader, the Sparc doesn't even know it exists. |
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| 06:09.25 | cafuego | nazgul: it's reiser, of course it's fried |
| 06:09.36 | dos000 | anyone can explain ... Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch ? |
| 06:09.57 | cafuego | twb: I think perhaps the mirror is busted ^^ |
| 06:09.58 | jetscreamer | the md5sums didn't match |
| 06:10.03 | phorce1 | cafuego: You're talking to someone who has been fine with 'stock' kernels for many years. "Edit the modules file on the initrd" ?!? |
| 06:10.05 | twb | cafuego: it's not a mirror! |
| 06:10.12 | jetscreamer | you may laugh now... :) |
| 06:10.30 | cafuego | twb: s/mirror/(source|parent|origin)/ |
| 06:10.41 | twb | Grr. |
| 06:10.45 | Azar | is a bz2 in full glory!!! |
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| 06:10.49 | dos000 | whats going on ! and is there a solution ? |
| 06:11.08 | zu22 | i wonder what the numbers are on sparc machines running Solaris vs Open Solaris vs Debian |
| 06:11.09 | jetscreamer | probably just wait till they fix it |
| 06:11.10 | twb | dos000: are you using a caching proxy like squid? |
| 06:11.11 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 06:11.16 | Azar | cafuego: you know, the one you get with wget, if you use links |
| 06:11.23 | jetscreamer | or maybe --clear-available |
| 06:11.23 | dos000 | twb .. nop |
| 06:11.58 | dos000 | twb, i am not using proxies at all |
| 06:12.16 | twb | dos000: the problem may be upstream. |
| 06:12.26 | twb | dos000: what source are you using? |
| 06:12.34 | zu22 | dos000: did u try running (or re-running) 'apt-get update' ? |
| 06:12.40 | dos000 | twb, so anyone doing apt-get update shoud get this error ? |
| 06:12.41 | twb | jetscreamer: eh? |
| 06:12.42 | jetscreamer | looks like security.debian.org |
| 06:12.53 | twb | dos000: anyone with your sources.list, yes. |
| 06:12.58 | phorce1 | dos000: no -- works fine here |
| 06:13.07 | twb | dos000: otherwise, it's YOUR fault |
| 06:13.16 | dos000 | i commented evrything else beside security.debian.org |
| 06:13.36 | zu22 | cafuego: physician heal thyself |
| 06:14.25 | dos000 | here is my source list http://pastebin.ca/651976 |
| 06:14.40 | dos000 | zu22, i tried it many times |
| 06:14.44 | jetscreamer | must be on my laptop |
| 06:15.02 | simonrvn | kwe kwe |
| 06:15.14 | jetscreamer | phorce1: something about update-initrd directives maybe |
| 06:15.19 | jetscreamer | or rules |
| 06:15.24 | jetscreamer | err |
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| 06:15.33 | jetscreamer | not that |
| 06:15.41 | Azar | zu22: I like lbreakout better |
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| 06:15.58 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:16.07 | Azar | good morning mister simonrvn |
| 06:16.14 | jetscreamer | and i think there are rules in /etc/...something |
| 06:16.14 | zu22 | Azar: :) |
| 06:16.29 | jetscreamer | hey this was >1year ago |
| 06:16.30 | simonrvn | /etc/initramfs-tools |
| 06:16.33 | zu22 | simonrvn welcome to this ircdom of plenty! |
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| 06:16.51 | simonrvn | heh |
| 06:17.30 | phorce1 | dos000: your security line looks like mine and I have no problem from here. Maybe a borked router somewhere causing connection issues for you. |
| 06:17.51 | dos000 | ayayaaaaaaaaaay |
| 06:18.04 | andyp_ | whats the line to fulfil deps on a deb package? |
| 06:18.23 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 06:18.34 | jetscreamer | apt-get -f install ... or the monster |
| 06:18.35 | phorce1 | simonrvn: thx -- reading in there now |
| 06:18.44 | andyp_ | what monster? |
| 06:18.48 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 06:18.48 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until you exit... you may have to hit y or n somewhere. Also, if you've never run dselect, you may have to use option 0 and choose APT Acquisition. |
| 06:19.06 | jetscreamer | i was hoping you would ask |
| 06:19.30 | simonrvn | when i do run dselect, that's what i use ;) |
| 06:19.58 | jetscreamer | one thing i like is you can select entire headings and purge or whatever |
| 06:20.05 | dos000 | how can i refetch the MD5 or the indexes ... just in case the download got stopped abruptly |
| 06:20.06 | jetscreamer | i can purge all uninstalled packages |
| 06:20.49 | dos000 | phorce1, is there a way i can refetch evrything ? |
| 06:21.03 | andyp_ | ooups apt-get -f install has removed packge |
| 06:21.08 | jetscreamer | man dpkg search --clear-available |
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| 06:21.19 | jetscreamer | andyp_: it's just doing it's job |
| 06:21.27 | andyp_ | pk thanks |
| 06:22.18 | jetscreamer | andyp_: you might wanna try apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and see if anything happens.. you might not. |
| 06:22.29 | andyp_ | eay way to untar a bz2 file is it fist use bz2 -d command then tar command? |
| 06:22.32 | jetscreamer | make that aptitude not apt-get |
| 06:22.45 | jetscreamer | tar xvjf blah.bz2 iirc |
| 06:23.10 | Azar | jetscreamer: did you read that they gonna make apt-get behave like aptitude? |
| 06:23.33 | jetscreamer | no, i have a job and a family to support and a gaming habit i can't support :( |
| 06:23.36 | Azar | some folks are upset about it, but Sam said it's time to "evolve" |
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| 06:23.38 | phorce1 | dos000: jetscreamer's "man dpkg and search for --clear-avail" was for you |
| 06:23.47 | Azar | :) |
| 06:23.47 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 06:23.53 | jetscreamer | dpkg --clear-available |
| 06:23.55 | jetscreamer | dang |
| 06:23.56 | linuxtk10 | quick question, can you do Voip with 1.5 mb down ? |
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| 06:24.17 | jetscreamer | #asterisk might be another place to ask such questions, linuxtk10 |
| 06:24.23 | jetscreamer | as well as here |
| 06:24.29 | phorce1 | andyp_: use 'j' in the tar command line for bzip2 or 'z' for gzip |
| 06:24.33 | linuxtk10 | im jus curios is that enough bw ? |
| 06:24.36 | zu22 | Azar: gah they better not, apt-get is fine the way it is, they better enable a --classic mode |
| 06:24.40 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 06:24.45 | andyp_ | aptitude when i intalled xorg for some reason found or warned me of a possible depricated pcmcima problem which apt-get never did |
| 06:24.53 | dos000 | linuxtk10, what do you mean ? ... 1.5 is way more ... g711 wich is cd kality takes 64k |
| 06:25.01 | Azar | zu22: unfortunately it gonna be changed. |
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| 06:25.10 | phorce1 | linuxtk10: yes |
| 06:25.11 | zu22 | Azar: i hope it isn't too painful |
| 06:25.14 | jetscreamer | andyp_: you see that in dmesg also, or when you boot if you read it |
| 06:25.32 | zu22 | Azar: BTW, where did you hear about this? |
| 06:25.34 | jetscreamer | when the module loads |
| 06:25.36 | andyp_ | yes its tellng me the url in kernel.org |
| 06:25.38 | twiggz | its generally a better idea to use aptitude instead of apt-get for hairy things. |
| 06:25.42 | Azar | zu22: it all depends on how you are used to get packages... personally, I use aptitude since upgrade to sarge |
| 06:26.05 | Azar | zu22: I read the mailing lists, and seen what oncle Sam had to say about |
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| 06:26.28 | zu22 | Azar: i've always used apt no deslect or aptitude for me |
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| 06:26.43 | phorce1 | linuxtk10: You may need to make sure your VOIP provider (or your own package) lets you "tune" the "quality" a bit if you use the 1.5 for other data transfer that sucks bandwidth at he same time. |
| 06:26.49 | Azar | zu22: then you gonna miss the old apt, but there is a workaround |
| 06:27.03 | Azar | I guess there is an option to be used with it |
| 06:27.17 | craigevil | Azar are you talking about the "recommends" thing apt will soon be using? |
| 06:27.17 | linuxtk10 | phorce1: its actually 2mb down 500 kb's up |
| 06:27.29 | Azar | zu22: let me look after the article, craigevil yes |
| 06:27.37 | zu22 | Azar: ok |
| 06:27.53 | zu22 | Azar: curious what the workaround will be |
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| 06:28.14 | craigevil | APT::Install-Recommends=False; in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 06:28.43 | Azar | here it is: http://debian-news.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3012 |
| 06:29.04 | zwox | hi |
| 06:29.07 | Azar | craigevil: yep right that one option |
| 06:29.08 | zu22 | craigevil: cool |
| 06:29.10 | jetscreamer | oh god |
| 06:29.13 | zu22 | Azar: thanks |
| 06:29.17 | jetscreamer | next it will be suggests |
| 06:29.24 | Azar | :D |
| 06:29.26 | zu22 | heh |
| 06:29.26 | jetscreamer | then some idiot like me will try it out |
| 06:29.28 | nazgul | jetscreamer: good idea thanks |
| 06:29.30 | zwox | i'd like you to tel me if it's possible to set the kmilo's "on screen display" |
| 06:29.31 | andyp_ | jetscreamer: aptitude just upgraded my kernel |
| 06:29.38 | jetscreamer | then he will have the entire repo installed |
| 06:29.47 | jetscreamer | andyp_: it's doing it's job then |
| 06:29.57 | jetscreamer | muhahahaha... or is it. |
| 06:30.26 | jetscreamer | i guess it worked eh nazgul |
| 06:30.30 | jetscreamer | np |
| 06:31.21 | zwox | i'd like to disactivate the message with the volume box when volume button are pressed |
| 06:31.23 | andyp_ | umm not sure got to reboot the kernel version is the same as the one beinginstalled |
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| 06:31.55 | nazgul | jetscreamer: Just popped in a livecd let's see |
| 06:32.09 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 06:32.11 | simonrvn | phorce1: tsk tsk, you nuaghty boy ;) |
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| 06:32.22 | andyp_ | phorcel: has ever stopped you before --beig marrid |
| 06:32.30 | phorce1 | I'll try to figure out which modules to move in the initrd later now that I have the proper tools left open in a screen session. |
| 06:32.33 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 06:33.09 | jetscreamer | !kill udev |
| 06:33.13 | jetscreamer | yay |
| 06:33.23 | zu22 | phorce1 is like George Costanza in Seinfeld, just don't give her a cashmere sweater on sale :P |
| 06:33.25 | andyp_ | see you later |
| 06:33.30 | jetscreamer | my box didn't boot for a week |
| 06:33.43 | phorce1 | simonrvn: Hey, working 7am to midnight then getting in here for a few hours, then back to work at 7. No other time available to see what's out there. |
| 06:33.57 | simonrvn | phorce1: :/ |
| 06:34.03 | zu22 | phorce1: clone yourself |
| 06:34.05 | simonrvn | s,what,who, |
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| 06:35.23 | phorce1 | andyp_ left before I could reply. No messing with the married ones (but maybe she has some cute single ones on her staff?) |
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| 06:36.00 | phorce1 | zu22: She'll be getting enough of my cash to buy her own cashmere. Place is a real mess. |
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| 06:36.07 | liable | i guess they missed an i=0 |
| 06:36.07 | zu22 | phorce1: hehe |
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| 06:36.24 | andyp_ | hi |
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| 06:36.39 | andyp_ | anybody done a upgrade to lenny yet? |
| 06:36.52 | |DawnLight| | hello friends. where should is check for news about security in relation to linux |
| 06:37.30 | phorce1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.43 | jetscreamer | http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ |
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| 06:41.10 | jetscreamer | too secure |
| 06:41.40 | liable | too fucking hard ;) |
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| 06:45.25 | liable | !tell zwox -about away |
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| 06:46.36 | liable | time for a beer i guess |
| 06:46.47 | jetscreamer | s/beer/something/ |
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| 06:47.07 | piper69 | liable hahahah, i just opened a can of hinekin |
| 06:47.23 | liable | piper69: cheers! *clink* |
| 06:47.33 | liable | *gurgle* |
| 06:48.17 | piper69 | liable hey do you freez your cup first |
| 06:48.32 | jetscreamer | frost dammit! |
| 06:48.36 | jetscreamer | frosted mug! |
| 06:48.40 | liable | nah, i am uncouth and drink it out of cans |
| 06:49.10 | piper69 | liable works fine , but give it a try man its good |
| 06:49.27 | piper69 | jetscreamer frost , as you wish |
| 06:49.43 | liable | oh, yeah, if i ever do drink out of glasses, i usually put em in the freezer |
| 06:49.46 | jetscreamer | bottles are better |
| 06:49.54 | jetscreamer | not that i drink anymore |
| 06:50.08 | liable | a lot of people say that. i cant tell the difference |
| 06:50.09 | jetscreamer | unles ou count the 2 or 6 every few months |
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| 06:50.21 | nazgul | jetscreamer: My livecd is too old. any suggestin for a good rescue live cd? |
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| 06:50.29 | jetscreamer | i can, but it coke tastes better |
| 06:50.42 | jetscreamer | nazgul: kanotix or knoppix or ubuntu |
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| 06:50.50 | Azar | hmm it's not a joke, in fact they have indeed pulled systrace and sysjail out |
| 06:50.59 | jetscreamer | probably not kanotix it's kinda not released much lately |
| 06:51.16 | liable | yeah, i bet theo is smashing shit right at this moment ;) |
| 06:51.28 | jetscreamer | might as well get the ubuntu cd and see what all the fuss is about at the same time |
| 06:51.37 | jetscreamer | their install cd is also a live |
| 06:51.40 | Azar | liable: unbelievable but him and all 12 OBSD users are quiet |
| 06:51.59 | liable | Azar: i would like to see the private list |
| 06:52.33 | Azar | ummm I am just on their page... and it seems suspiciously quiet |
| 06:52.33 | jetscreamer | make that coke tastes better in a bottle also.. but the old school glass bottles |
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| 06:53.00 | jetscreamer | a can is way better than plastic |
| 06:54.05 | Azar | hey I lost 6 pounds only by quitting drinking soda |
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| 06:54.43 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 06:54.44 | fireba11 | Azar: no surprise there |
| 06:55.01 | Azar | for 6 years I haven't drinked water... only soda. |
| 06:55.08 | liable | eww |
| 06:55.16 | jetscreamer | been there actually |
| 06:55.20 | jetscreamer | now it's coffee |
| 06:55.20 | Azar | Now that I started drinking water... I sweat like a piggy but I lost the pounds |
| 06:55.26 | liable | bet your kidneys are singing for joy now |
| 06:55.50 | Azar | eh I quit soda because I had severe headaches lately.. |
| 06:56.20 | Azar | ...or maybe that was because of an abrotman symptom? |
| 06:56.39 | jetscreamer | your abs rotted too? |
| 06:56.51 | Azar | hehe |
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| 07:01.20 | andyp_ | hi |
| 07:01.57 | andyp_ | just install the bittorrent-gui but when i run it it does not start command not found |
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| 07:03.23 | jetscreamer | hey i need to test something... in the autoreplace feature of xchat, is it just what i see, or is what i type autoreplaced also |
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| 07:04.25 | jetscreamer | ok here we go... you're not supposed to see the 3 letter word, but a partial sentence |
| 07:04.27 | jetscreamer | <insert non-pc sexual reference here> |
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| 07:04.45 | simonrvn | .:03:04:27:. < jetscreamer> <insert non-pc sexual reference here> |
| 07:04.49 | jetscreamer | cool |
| 07:04.52 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 07:04.59 | Azar | BT6 goes closed source |
| 07:05.10 | simonrvn | out of curiosity, what is it? |
| 07:05.17 | jetscreamer | g a y |
| 07:05.22 | simonrvn | 'k |
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| 07:05.31 | simonrvn | why is that not pc? |
| 07:05.31 | edistar_ | ah |
| 07:05.40 | jetscreamer | i call lots of things gay, but don't mean homosexual |
| 07:05.56 | jetscreamer | hey it didn't work |
| 07:05.58 | jetscreamer | wtf |
| 07:05.59 | simonrvn | ok |
| 07:06.03 | liable | haha |
| 07:06.14 | simonrvn | well i don't ;) |
| 07:06.45 | jetscreamer | <insert non-pc sexual reference here> |
| 07:06.49 | jetscreamer | that's <insert non-pc sexual reference here> |
| 07:06.53 | jetscreamer | wtf |
| 07:06.57 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 07:06.58 | jetscreamer | the , |
| 07:07.03 | xand | spam |
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| 07:07.20 | jetscreamer | but yes i like green eggs and ham |
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| 07:08.25 | jetscreamer | i decided that the autoreplace was g...something and deleted it |
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| 07:16.45 | unknow990 | Hello . |
| 07:17.06 | unknow990 | Is there anyone that can help me with RT and mail integration (Running Debian 4.0) |
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| 07:19.19 | dewey | good day mates |
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| 07:19.35 | dewey | okay I a usb stick and where can I find it in etch |
| 07:20.09 | dewey | he light is on the usb stick? |
| 07:22.02 | liable | dewey: check dmesg and see if it initialised it properly. |
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| 07:22.10 | dewey | ok |
| 07:22.21 | liable | if you havent got automounting stuff installed, then you have to mount it manually |
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| 07:26.17 | dewey | liable: hmm not there in dmesg |
| 07:26.28 | dewey | so automount stuff? |
| 07:26.33 | liable | dewey: should be |
| 07:26.47 | liable | dewey: put your dmesg on a pastebot |
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| 07:27.10 | unknow990 | is this typical issue for Debian 4.0 ? http://paste.debian.net/34329 |
| 07:27.56 | liable | unknow990: comment the cd line in your sources.list |
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| 07:28.50 | unknow990 | pls, look here http://paste.debian.net/34330 |
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| 07:29.25 | liable | as i said, comment the cd line |
| 07:29.35 | liable | put a # in front of the cdrom line |
| 07:29.52 | unknow990 | then I dont get the issue |
| 07:29.57 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:30.17 | liable | unknow990: thats what you wanted wasnt it? |
| 07:30.50 | unknow990 | yes, but it work fine before.. |
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| 07:31.07 | dewey | hmmm where the heck did my paste go LOL |
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| 07:31.37 | liable | unknow990: so what did you actually want then? |
| 07:31.53 | dewey | http://paste.debian.net/34331 |
| 07:32.05 | unknow990 | why is it bug now, and not yesterday?? |
| 07:32.21 | liable | unknow990: because you had the cd in your drive yesterday? |
| 07:32.22 | dewey | is that enough stuff from demsg or you want more? |
| 07:32.59 | unknow990 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.00 | liable | plug it in again and gives us the last bit of dmesg |
| 07:33.12 | TiMiDo | !info j2re1.4 |
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| 07:33.54 | predder | during the debian install process I'm given a tool for finding a local debian mirror. Is it possible to run this post installation? |
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| 07:34.35 | liable | predder: not any more, apt-spy is the next best thing |
| 07:34.46 | predder | thanks |
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| 07:35.36 | ViRaveNuS | http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugpackage.html |
| 07:35.41 | ViRaveNuS | all about linux |
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| 07:50.08 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:50.08 | dpkg | < FieldySnuts> someone who realizes this may get them severely larted do this: -!- sgeigerbot [n=user@h216-170-007-123.adsl.navix.net] has joined #debian |
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| 07:50.59 | larco | hello, is there a way to generate a rsync list for a dir (done), and the next day to run rsync to compare the dir against the list and output differences ? |
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| 07:55.36 | cahoot | larco, the -n switch? |
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| 08:08.22 | dacs | guys again i can't ssh to my box i keep getting Network error:Connection timed out |
| 08:08.53 | liable | do a traceroute to it |
| 08:09.01 | cahoot | sshd running ? |
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| 08:09.36 | dacs | sshd is running |
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| 08:10.19 | dacs | liable: i will do that but i just have a question , if i have apache running on that box and i can access it , do i still have to traceroute |
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| 08:10.53 | liable | dacs: if you can access that box by another means, then no |
| 08:11.06 | cahoot | ssh -v gives no further info? |
| 08:11.14 | liable | a time out could be a firewall just dropping packets though |
| 08:12.54 | dacs | no |
| 08:13.05 | dacs | i was able to access it last night |
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| 08:14.50 | dacs | ok |
| 08:14.56 | dacs | i got it to work |
| 08:15.58 | dacs | /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 08:16.12 | jeeger | Hey, uh, little problem here: I have just dist-upgraded my debian sarge to etch. However, now ssh does not accept the zsh shell as a valid shell. If i try to log in remotely, i get 'permission denied'. If I chsh my shell to /bin/bash, it works ok. Any tips anyone? |
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| 08:19.13 | jeeger | I think i found the problem. |
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| 08:20.41 | jeeger | /bin/zsh was a broken symbolic link. Thanks for your help^^ |
| 08:20.49 | liable | heh |
| 08:20.54 | liable | anytime! |
| 08:21.03 | black12313 | !ask mouse middle click to be bound to scroll |
| 08:21.15 | jeeger | Hehe |
| 08:21.24 | black12313 | oh and enable keyboard shortcuts in applications (keyboard is silly atm) |
| 08:22.15 | black12313 | oh and one more thing rkhunter is giving messages about Found warnings: |
| 08:22.15 | black12313 | [01:03:59] Warning: This operating system is not fully supported! |
| 08:22.15 | black12313 | [01:04:19] WARNING, found: /dev/.static (directory) /dev/.udev (directory) /dev/.initramfs (directory) |
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| 08:24.18 | black12313 | hello ? |
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| 08:27.20 | black12313 | yeah can i get some help ? |
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| 08:27.50 | liable | yes, google would have told you those are false positives |
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| 08:28.13 | black12313 | i did that |
| 08:28.17 | black12313 | i found that they might be |
| 08:28.33 | black12313 | my question is regarding the purpose these directories server. What exactly are they ? |
| 08:29.06 | black12313 | .... i didn't mean to type server .... i meant serve |
| 08:30.49 | black12313 | liable ? |
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| 08:31.00 | liable | unfortunately theres very little documentation on udev (last time i bothered to look) so i cant tell you exactly what they do |
| 08:31.25 | black12313 | ok |
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| 08:32.04 | black12313 | and liable about my keyboard and it's failure to be bound to shortcut /keys in browsers / other things - should i reconfigure x ? |
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| 08:34.41 | black12313 | ... |
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| 08:35.05 | liable | sheesh your an impatient fellow |
| 08:35.13 | liable | i was doing stuff |
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| 08:35.42 | liable | for keyboard shits you might want to look at xev and xbindkeys |
| 08:36.06 | liable | or even just your wm configuration |
| 08:37.12 | black12313 | oh i see |
| 08:37.28 | black12313 | lol what 2 minutes - being impatient (sitting on thumbs lol) |
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| 08:40.07 | benny_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 08:40.18 | benny_ | is that the latest testing netinst iso |
| 08:40.28 | black12313 | it says so doesn't it ? |
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| 08:40.35 | benny_ | Just checking. |
| 08:40.43 | black12313 | -- check the site |
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| 08:41.03 | benny_ | where you from in au? |
| 08:41.23 | black12313 | me ? |
| 08:41.26 | benny_ | yeah |
| 08:41.35 | black12313 | you knew that how ? |
| 08:41.37 | black12313 | - ip ? |
| 08:41.39 | benny_ | ii |
| 08:41.44 | black12313 | ? |
| 08:41.48 | AKX | Uh, what does a kernel message "Bad page state in process 'events/0', page:c16dbb60 flags:0x40000000 mapping:00000000 mapcount:-128 count:0, Trying to fix it up, but a reboot is needed" mean? |
| 08:41.53 | black12313 | your an ii too ? |
| 08:41.56 | AKX | Also "BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000018"? |
| 08:42.02 | benny_ | i was with networx in perth, before they became ii, now im in vic |
| 08:42.22 | benny_ | i was ii but just moved house... i have no idea what my housemates isp is |
| 08:42.32 | utopia_ | AKX, it means reboot ? :) |
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| 08:42.43 | liable | AKX: means youve got a fucked kernel/kernel module |
| 08:42.54 | cahoot | AKX, a visit to lkml.org? |
| 08:43.04 | liable | AKX: did you compile a kernel module from source? |
| 08:43.10 | AKX | No. |
| 08:43.21 | liable | debian kernel? |
| 08:43.25 | AKX | Yes. |
| 08:43.35 | liable | file a bug, which kernel? |
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| 08:45.05 | AKX | ii linux-image-2.6.21-2-686, I think |
| 08:45.14 | liable | uname -r |
| 08:45.26 | AKX | Yeah, 2.6.21-2-686 |
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| 08:45.54 | liable | file a bug, give em all the output you have from any logs |
| 08:46.36 | AKX | The thing is, we moved hard drives yesterday by partitioning the new drive with a live CD, copying the old stuff over, then installed GRUB, and everything seems to work, except for this now |
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| 08:47.34 | AKX | Is there something we didn't properly do there?.. |
| 08:48.10 | black12313 | benny i irc pmed you where are you lol |
| 08:48.19 | liable | cant think of why that would caues a kernel bug |
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| 08:49.10 | benny_ | arent you getting my pm's black12313 ? |
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| 08:49.28 | xand | benny_: your PMs are blocked as you're not identified |
| 08:49.35 | benny_ | strange |
| 08:49.37 | black12313 | oh good point he is not... |
| 08:49.41 | black12313 | am i ? |
| 08:49.57 | xand | yes. |
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| 08:50.05 | xand | if you have mode +i then you are |
| 08:50.10 | xand | or is it +e |
| 08:50.21 | liable | i |
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| 08:50.55 | liable | ohnos, it is e |
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| 08:52.09 | tnks | If anyone has anacron installed, I'm confused why /etc/init.d/anacron used start-stop-daemon when anacron doesn't appear to be a daemon. |
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| 09:08.05 | triplc | hi all |
| 09:08.44 | jk47 | hello |
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| 09:09.35 | triplc | What is the device name of the S-Video port? I have NEC E400 with Debian Etch installed, and have a program called camorama installed, but it says it cannot open /dev/video0. What device name should I tell camorama to import video? |
| 09:09.58 | cahoot | v4l loaded? |
| 09:10.25 | triplc | cahoot, oh, you mean I have to install something call v4l ? |
| 09:11.15 | cahoot | acronym for video for linux I guess |
| 09:11.49 | liable | you need the relevant kernel module loaded to get a /dev/video0 |
| 09:11.54 | cahoot | triplc, what's NEC400? |
| 09:12.22 | triplc | NEC E400 -- NEC laptop computer, model E400 |
| 09:12.47 | cahoot | triplc, but what you want is to use a webcam? |
| 09:13.01 | petemc | ive never heard of anyone using the s-video on a laptop as an input.. |
| 09:13.23 | triplc | cahoot, in fact I want to import video from a JVC camcorder |
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| 09:13.53 | xand | triplc: built-in s-video sockets on laptops are usually outputs for a tv, not inputs |
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| 09:14.55 | triplc | xand, yikes! |
| 09:15.41 | triplc | sorry, i am so dumb |
| 09:16.06 | xand | you'd need a usb tv card/video capture card or similar |
| 09:16.47 | tarzeau | does someone know how to convert this to readable utf8? =?utf-8?b?R8O8cmthbiBTZW5nw7xu?= <gurkan@linuks.mine.nu> |
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| 09:17.07 | triplc | ok, I see that the JVC camcorder also have USB connection |
| 09:17.11 | mythomaniac | dudes is there a way to get mythtv to work with mysql as not logging in as mythtv? |
| 09:17.21 | triplc | Do you know how to import video from USB? |
| 09:17.21 | xand | what? |
| 09:17.38 | xand | mythomaniac: did you ask #mythtv? |
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| 09:18.30 | triplc | I think it allows to import video via USB, but it require software (which may be only in Windoze :-( ) |
| 09:18.45 | xand | depends on whether there's a driver for the chipset |
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| 09:20.27 | lord_rob | Hi ! How do I specify the DNS server address in /etc/network/interfaces using package resolvconf ? Don't I need to add line "dns-server IP" ? |
| 09:20.53 | themill | 'morning all! |
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| 09:21.37 | cahoot | triplc, what cameramodel ? |
| 09:22.20 | triplc | cahoot, JVC GR-DVL520A |
| 09:22.25 | slapfaceware | where is spamassasin log? |
| 09:22.27 | harpal | themill: morning |
| 09:22.55 | craigevil | lord_rob: why wouldnt you just put your DNS server in resolv.conf? |
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| 09:23.36 | themill | lord_rob: yes: dns-search your-domain |
| 09:23.48 | themill | lord_rob: yes: dns-nameservers w.x.y.z etc |
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| 09:24.03 | lord_rob | craigevil: because I want to test package resolvconf, my fresh etch installation told me I could do that but I trashed my network/interfaces stupidely :( |
| 09:24.24 | slapfaceware | where is the log file for spamassasin |
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| 09:24.36 | themill | craigevil: or if you're on dhcp with a server that's giving duff dns server or a dns server that's not giving sensible results |
| 09:24.43 | lord_rob | themill: thank you very much, that was only a missing s at the end |
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| 09:25.06 | craigevil | ah i just use Open DNS for my dns server works much better than my ISP's |
| 09:25.20 | GreaseMonkey | night all |
| 09:25.38 | themill | craigevil: I've come across a few adsl modems that offer to be the dns through the dhcp negotiation and then just return 0.0.0.0 whenever you ask |
| 09:26.53 | themill | lord_rob: yes. it's plural. you can use a space separated list of servers |
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| 09:27.27 | themill | slapfaceware: depends how it is run. If often logs to /var/log/mail* |
| 09:28.47 | lord_rob | themill: I'll file a bugreport (wishlist) because the manpage doesn't explain that :-/ |
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| 09:35.51 | jvgomez | hello good morning .. |
| 09:36.04 | ghatak | How do i force rsync, not to use ssh by default ? |
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| 09:37.26 | liable | ghatak: what do you want it to use? |
| 09:38.07 | ghatak | liable: i already have stunnel set up, so i dont need security, however rsync is trying to go over ssh |
| 09:38.34 | ghatak | liable: or at least I think it is, it asks me for a password |
| 09:39.03 | ghatak | liable: could it be that it is asking because it is trying to use linux authentication? pam ? |
| 09:39.57 | themill | ghatak: man rsync: either $RSYNC_RSH or -e |
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| 09:40.20 | liable | ghatak: if you want to use rsync daemon, i think use -e rsync (i havent done it for a long time and seeing as you need the rsync damon running i figured it was a waste of time) |
| 09:40.27 | themill | ghatak: or look at the section "Connecting to an rsync daemon" which might be what you are looking for |
| 09:41.00 | themill | ghatak: if you want to talk to an rsync daemon then you must *not* use -e |
| 09:41.58 | themill | ghatak: the rsync man page is very long but it has lots of examples all through it.... I always just look at the examples to remind myself of what to do ;) |
| 09:42.33 | ghatak | themill: oh, logs show that when i get prompt for password it is not connecting to rsync server, |
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| 09:42.38 | ghatak | time to probe more |
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| 09:45.35 | ghatak | themill: ahh... : and :: |
| 09:45.37 | ghatak | damn |
| 09:46.30 | themill | ghatak: yep.... lovely little trap that one |
| 09:48.04 | themill | ghatak: you might appreciate these after you're done with the difference between : and :: .... http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-whitespace-154.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_%28programming_language%29 |
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| 09:50.22 | ghatak | themill: I already do :), kicking myself, why i did not read that before |
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| 09:54.03 | themill | ghatak: : vs :: it's almost as bad as python |
| 09:54.10 | ghatak | themill: hehe |
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| 09:54.29 | trollala | hello there |
| 09:54.45 | ghatak | themill: you betta, if there are any python bods are around :) |
| 09:55.20 | trollala | I have amd athlon 64 and I don't know what version of STABLE debian I can download. Should I download amd 64, i386? more specs of my hardware: http://frojnd.net/wp-content/ostalo/hardware/podrobno |
| 09:55.34 | zoldar | hello, tty consoles stopped respawning on my system, even though i didn't touch anything in inittab. If i run /sbin/getty 38400 tty1, it runs fine but after logout it isn't rerun anyway... what may be the reason ? |
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| 09:57.15 | niru | how to keep sound while startup and shutdown of PC |
| 09:57.18 | niru | in debian |
| 09:57.29 | niru | which file does that |
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| 09:57.56 | trollala | so.. anyone? I have amd athlon 64 3000+ (more specs: http://frojnd.net/wp-content/ostalo/hardware/podrobno1) what version of installation should I pick amd64 or i386 ?? |
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| 09:58.29 | cahoot | niru, alsa-utils should see to that |
| 09:58.31 | trollala | I wanna stable. And what is the deference between 32 and 64 bit kernel? what about drivers.. |
| 09:58.46 | cahoot | niru, /etc/init.s/alsa-utils |
| 09:58.51 | cahoot | meh |
| 09:58.57 | cahoot | init.d |
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| 10:00.26 | ghatak | trollala: 64 bit kernel is for 64 bit arch and 32 is for 32 , DoH!! |
| 10:01.44 | ghatak | trollala: i think anything under http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/amd64/iso-cd/ is what you want |
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| 10:02.08 | ghatak | niru: you can link it in /etc/rc2.d/ and it should run automagically at startup |
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| 10:02.29 | ghatak | niru: you can also create a kill link in /etc/rc2.d/ to automagically kill it on shutdown |
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| 10:05.06 | cahoot | ghatak, the install procedure really takes care of it - no? |
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| 10:05.45 | intinig | Hi all. Is this the right channel to ask for a bit of help in building a .deb package? |
| 10:05.56 | ghatak | cahoot: it should, i was just pointing out in case it has not :) |
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| 10:08.10 | pebkac | hello, dummy question: how to display ext3 FS properties? |
| 10:08.31 | liable | intinig: fire away, but before you ask, have you read the new maintainers guide? |
| 10:09.16 | intinig | liable: yes I actually completed the .deb building, I just have an error and maybe there is a strategy for solving it :) |
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| 10:09.38 | intinig | anyway, I'm building a package for ruby, and it uses ./configure |
| 10:09.55 | liable | and? |
| 10:10.11 | intinig | so I did the whole stuff but fakeroot debian/rules build |
| 10:10.14 | intinig | binary sorry |
| 10:10.22 | intinig | failed because it tried to install in /usr |
| 10:10.24 | streuner | dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/34346 |
| 10:10.39 | intinig | instead of in the local directory. I changed the rules file so it runs configure with the local prefix |
| 10:11.25 | liable | it shouldnt fail because you didnt give it a local prefix |
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| 10:11.45 | intinig | but now the package has a problem because it's not configured properly. the question is: is there a way to specify in the rules file an installation path for the build phase and an installation path for the real installation in the system? |
| 10:12.10 | pebkac | found it: lsattr |
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| 10:12.17 | xulf | whats up!! |
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| 10:12.22 | pebkac | cu, bye |
| 10:12.25 | intinig | liable: I had to use --prefix=$(CURDIR)/debian/ruby/usr instead of --prefix=/usr |
| 10:12.40 | xulf | I cannot create only LVM partitions? do I have to create ext3 to make it work |
| 10:12.47 | intinig | because $(MAKE) install PREFIX=$(CURDIR)/debian/ruby/usr doesn't do anything :-/ |
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| 10:13.31 | DooMRunneR | hi |
| 10:13.36 | liable | intinig: hrm, i cant recall ever having to specify a build dir, but its been a long time |
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| 10:15.19 | niru | ghatak, ok |
| 10:15.39 | simonrvn | intinig: foo.install, foo.dirs, etc.; man debhelper |
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| 10:16.41 | intinig | simonrvn: thx |
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| 10:17.18 | simonrvn | intinig: look at some of the example debian/rules files around |
| 10:17.24 | simonrvn | real handy |
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| 10:18.15 | simonrvn | i've never made rpms, but from what i hear i wouldn't want to ;). deb packages are sometimes a pita, but they're real nice to have |
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| 10:24.23 | wfq | hi |
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| 10:26.07 | trollala | ghatak: I was away.. So amd 64 has the same or less support as amd 32 ? |
| 10:26.38 | wfq | does anyone know how I could manage to know what packages make the difference between the basic debian's installation and the current version I have know? |
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| 10:27.53 | benoitc | anyone could help me ? I have a conflict between my scanner and my mouse. When I plug the scanner, the mouse is disabled. The dmesg show that : http://pastebin.ca/652151 but the mouse is on a self powered usb bus and scaner is sel powererd too. Any idee ? |
| 10:28.50 | wfq | apt --get-selections could give me the new package installed on the basic system? |
| 10:29.09 | themill | wfq: dpkg --get-selections (not apt) |
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| 10:29.22 | wfq | sorry dpkg |
| 10:29.29 | wfq | themill, but am I right? |
| 10:29.52 | themill | wfq: that will give you the packages you currently have installed. |
| 10:30.23 | themill | wfq: The trouble is there is no "basic system"... what you end up with at the end of running the installer depends on what you told tasksel during the installation. |
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| 10:31.45 | bl0ck | hi all, does anybody know about a channel where i can ask about "monit" |
| 10:32.10 | babilen | wfq: you could install a "gold standard" box with all the software installed you consider "basic" run dpgk --get-selection on both machines and diff the two lists... |
| 10:32.37 | themill | wfq: you could look using either aptitude or synaptic at what you have installed that's not in "base", perhaps. |
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| 10:32.56 | themill | wfq: or as babilen suggested -- into a qemu virtual machine if you want. |
| 10:33.09 | themill | wfq: you should be able to get it from the package priority though |
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| 10:33.52 | h3sp4wn | wfq: You can just do an aptitude regular expression ~i~n!~E (look at the search patterns part of the aptitude guide) |
| 10:34.19 | themill | (should have know that aptitude could just do it on its own....) |
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| 10:34.34 | babilen | but i think it should be possible to extract this information from the install logs, just listing packages installed after a given point in time and match those against dpkg --get-selection ... dunno how to achive this though |
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| 10:34.42 | themill | btw.. what part of ~i~n!~E isn't just line noise? |
| 10:34.44 | crissi | hello |
| 10:35.26 | h3sp4wn | themill: installed and not essential (that is what that says - untested might need a little more tuning) |
| 10:35.46 | crissi | i have problems with udev on unstable... the iwlwifi driver 1.0.0 generates a event for renaming the wlan interface name... this fails often... |
| 10:35.53 | crissi | how i can fix that? |
| 10:36.17 | trollala | is there iso for amd 32 version? I have 64 bit amd but becouse of software issues I've decided for 32bit version. So is tehre any 32 amd version or do I have to grab i386 |
| 10:36.35 | themill | h3sp4wn: yes, I figured it was something like that... it still just looks like line noise (and I spend my time writing lots of perl, so that's saying something) |
| 10:36.42 | bl0ck | i have a small problem configuring monit to monitor my bind9 server, it says Connection failed. i have configured monit according http://www.tildeslash.com/monit/doc/examples.php and my corrent environment (pid files paths e.t.c.)- everything works except BIND |
| 10:36.57 | liable | crissi: did you edit the net-rules file? |
| 10:37.30 | hark | trollala: the i386 |
| 10:38.13 | wfq | well guys, if you had to backup everything important in your system (non databases, only files) how do you know every single file to be backed up. I did not installed theses servers |
| 10:38.14 | crissi | liable: no... where is it? |
| 10:38.34 | liable | crissi: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
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| 10:38.49 | liable | crissi: try deleting that file and reloading the module |
| 10:39.26 | trollala | hark: can u advice me what's the main difference between debian-40r0-i386-CD-20.iso and debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso execpt that neints has less MBs |
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| 10:39.30 | wfq | what should I copy /var/lib, /usr/lib, /etc, bla bla bla |
| 10:39.35 | themill | h3sp4wn: reminds me of this one: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070628 |
| 10:39.50 | bl0ck | in the log file i get following:Aug 10 11:35:19 ns1 monit[16264]: DNS: no answer records returned |
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| 10:40.06 | bl0ck | and then: Aug 10 11:35:19 ns1 monit[16264]: 'named' failed protocol test [DNS] at INET[127.0.0.1:53] via TCP |
| 10:40.15 | bl0ck | the same comes also for UDP |
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| 10:40.35 | wfq | and what about the src's installation. This is a mess |
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| 10:41.38 | hark | trollala: the first one looks like cd#20, and the latter is a net installer (so if you have a fast connection, it will get all the requird packags from the net) |
| 10:42.03 | themill | wfq: on a properly set up debian system, you shouldn't need to worry about anything under /usr except /usr/local. There's the odd silly package that has config in /usr/share though but they should be larted. |
| 10:42.04 | crissi | thanks. this had workded. |
| 10:43.55 | wfq | themill, I know you alright, but I have not installed theses server and I can guess what a mess there is. To give an example one for them has mysql 3.23 with 3306 open for everyone :) |
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| 10:45.54 | trollala | hark: so basically net install just download packages that are allerady on cd#20 ? |
| 10:46.27 | wfq | is there any command on debian that lets you know what files form part of a installation? |
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| 10:49.17 | hark | trollala: with the netinst you don't have to download the full cd1 iso, it will get from the net what is required |
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| 10:49.37 | hark | wfq: part of an installation? |
| 10:50.19 | wfq | hark, I mean every dynamic libraries of this package i.e |
| 10:50.39 | wfq | something like having a tree of this package's installation |
| 10:50.49 | hark | dpkg -L packagename |
| 10:50.49 | dpkg | No packages found matching packagename |
| 10:50.59 | themill | dpkg: shut up |
| 10:50.59 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 10:51.15 | wfq | hark, that gives the packages and not libraries i.e |
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| 10:51.49 | liable | you want the depends? |
| 10:52.07 | themill | wfq: that gives the contents of the package -- apt-cache show will tell you what it depends on |
| 10:52.08 | wfq | liable, yes, but the one already installed |
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| 10:52.27 | liable | wfq: apt-cache show foo will tell you what it depends on |
| 10:52.34 | wfq | themill, yes I know even apt-cache depends but they could be not installed |
| 10:52.53 | themill | wfq: they have to be installed if they are depends |
| 10:52.54 | hark | use --installed then with it |
| 10:53.08 | ghatak | trollala: 64 bit arch is totally different than 32, you can not run a 64 kernel on 32 bit and i assume vice verse |
| 10:53.15 | ghatak | *versa* |
| 10:53.27 | niru | ghatak, how to put a sound file path in alsa-utils |
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| 10:54.02 | hark | oh nm |
| 10:55.47 | hikenboot | greetings all--I am remastering knoppix but am getting an apt-source error...I think its related to a dapper main repository and was wondering if someone might be able to help http://pastebin.ca/652167 |
| 10:55.55 | wfq | themill, hark this is a good example that apt-cache show does work. http://pastebin.ca/652168 |
| 10:56.10 | wfq | look at apache2-mpm-event |
| 10:56.27 | wfq | show maks it as dependen howeves it is not installed on the system |
| 10:56.46 | obnauticus | K, I have a slight problem here. For some reason now whenever I successfully log into my debian system over ssh, it just closes the connection. |
| 10:57.22 | hark | wfq: apt-cache depends --installed foo |
| 10:57.22 | niru | ghatak, ? |
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| 10:58.45 | themill | wfq: ahh I see what you mean.... |
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| 10:59.55 | cahoot | niru, why would you need to? |
| 11:00.24 | wfq | hey i think if I make a script with dpkg --get-selections and apt-cache depends --installed could works |
| 11:00.51 | themill | wfq: I'm not sure what that is going to achieve beyond just dpkg --get-selections.... |
| 11:01.10 | wfq | well this the idea |
| 11:01.40 | niru | cahoot, I want to put music while starting the system |
| 11:01.45 | niru | and I need to give in a fdile |
| 11:01.55 | niru | I dont want to go through GUI |
| 11:02.27 | cahoot | niru, make a startupfile calling aplay <some.wav>? |
| 11:02.55 | cahoot | in /etc/init-d |
| 11:02.57 | wfq | among you, hark and babilen said: i have to run a dpkg --get-selections in a basic box and my current configuration, I will make a diff of both files and will make a script to go through this list and executing apt-cache depends --installed or something similar :) |
| 11:03.03 | cahoot | in /etc/init.d |
| 11:03.31 | wfq | hang on, dpkg --get-selections should be every single file or evey single pacakge |
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| 11:04.09 | themill | wfq: every single package |
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| 11:04.49 | wfq | arghhhhhh but this gives dynamic library too |
| 11:05.09 | themill | wfq: Are you planning to do a reinstall to clean things up? |
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| 11:05.38 | wfq | I can't do that |
| 11:05.49 | themill | wfq: yes, but the libraries are needed.... you can't just kill them off :) |
| 11:05.52 | wfq | I just need to know what files I should backu up by using bacula |
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| 11:08.56 | wfq | it has to be a way to have a tree of a installation, come on guys, this is debian!!! :) |
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| 11:09.16 | themill | wfq: so don't you just need to make a backup of all the files not in dpkg --get-selections | cut -f1 | xargs dpkg -L |
| 11:10.49 | wfq | ufffffffff that sounds really good and friki (sorry themill, thank you very much) |
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| 11:11.45 | themill | wfq: you might want to pipe that into sort -u to kill off duplicate entries. If your backup program can accept an "excludes" file then you can use that. Note that it will include directories in it too so you may need to prune them. |
| 11:11.46 | benoitc | hub_port_status failed (err = -71) |
| 11:11.54 | benoitc | anyone already had this error ? |
| 11:12.07 | benoitc | seems there is conflict between usb 1 and usb2 |
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| 11:12.26 | benoitc | any idee to have both working in same time ? |
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| 11:12.42 | benoitc | works well on openbsd so this isn't an harware pb |
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| 11:15.04 | themill | wfq: you might also be able to use the package debsums to check that files weren't modified since being installed. |
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| 11:16.23 | wfq | themill, well that could be done by bacula. I will copy all of them as if everything were changed ;) |
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| 11:17.31 | blerk | Do others tracking testing also have issues with the sysklogd/klogd updates? Here syslogd refuses to start without errors on the console or in the logs, also rebooting the machine results in only a few thigns being started and has a defunct klogd after bootup... |
| 11:18.08 | blerk | "Starting kernel log daemon..." it sits there for ever until i ctrl-c it :( |
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| 11:18.29 | liable | i would imagine the bts may have something to say about that |
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| 11:19.25 | blerk | i only have it on my vserver debian tracking testing my workstation is also tracking testing and there the log deamon updates went fine |
| 11:19.32 | blerk | could it have somethign todo with vserver? |
| 11:20.38 | themill | wfq: I was meaning that debsums can compare back to the original deb so it can tell you if the file /usr/share/foo/bar.conf had been edited at some stage since installation. |
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| 11:21.02 | themill | wfq: from now on, you can track things yourself, I was thinking about going back in time. |
| 11:21.50 | wfq | themill, thank you very much for your help, it has been really really useful |
| 11:21.57 | themill | np |
| 11:22.10 | liable | themill: tell me the date, i'll look up the lotto numbers and go halvies with ya |
| 11:22.30 | themill | liable: no, no.. that would be travelling *forwards* in time |
| 11:23.16 | liable | no, if you go back, i can look up the numbers on teh intarwebs and you can buy a ticket, wait till the draw, cash in, then come back.. |
| 11:23.41 | liable | or come back forward.. |
| 11:23.41 | themill | liable: hmmm... now why don't Doctor Who's companions never think of this... |
| 11:23.48 | themill | back to the future, even |
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| 11:24.17 | viller | I can't find VLC in the repos |
| 11:24.18 | cahoot | life on mars? |
| 11:24.29 | viller | do I have to enable some repo? |
| 11:24.47 | liable | viller: lenny? |
| 11:25.13 | themill | !info vlc etch |
| 11:25.19 | dpkg | vlc: (multimedia player and streamer), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5 (etch), Packaged size: 1114 kB, Installed size: 3188 kB |
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| 11:25.53 | viller | yes, lenny |
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| 11:26.13 | liable | its got rc bugs iirc (unsatisfiable depends) |
| 11:26.14 | themill | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 11:26.14 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 11:26.56 | blerk | syslog-ng gives me an error about not being able to use /proc/kmsg when was this never an issue before, are the new versions requiring more permissions in /proc? |
| 11:27.26 | blerk | guess this is what i get for tracking testing :( |
| 11:27.53 | phogg | Um. I see VLC on stable: http://packages.debian.org/stable/graphics/vlc |
| 11:28.21 | rob19 | one thing I don't understand is if packages in the stable/ release get updated or do they stay the same until the next release? it seems that my debian 4.0 comes with aptitude 0.4.3-1 (among other packages) and once i 'aptitude update / dist-upgrade' using the stable tags, a lot of software gets updated (like aptitude to 0.4.4-4) even though 0.4.4-4 was out before etch was released... |
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| 11:29.41 | liable | rob19: only security upgrades, how old was the cd you used to install? |
| 11:30.00 | antgel | rob19: maybe your cd wasn't the release |
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| 11:30.18 | themill | rob19: you weren't using an old release candidate CD or something, were you? |
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| 11:31.22 | themill | rob19: that version of aptitude was accepted into etch on 2006-12-20 |
| 11:32.20 | qwertz | Hi, just got my hands on a basic etch server and try to install munin-node. But the install scrip hangs > 15 minutes with "Initializing plugins.." - does anybody experience that problem or could give a hint how to fix the problem? |
| 11:33.42 | blerk | well i guess nobody here is willing clueful enough to help out, cya fanboys |
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| 11:34.30 | rob19 | liable: well it's from a VPS provider, they automate the install (all automatic) so i'm not sure.. i'll have to ask |
| 11:35.12 | liable | rob19: it prolly is old then, once you do an initial upgrade, you should get only a few security upgrades as they come through |
| 11:35.18 | viller | what do I have to add to my sources.list to have stable repos (fucking stupid that I can't install VLC with lenny) |
| 11:35.53 | antgel | viller: why is it stupid? |
| 11:36.26 | antgel | seeing as you obviously know /fuck all/ about it |
| 11:37.55 | rob19 | liable: here's everything that gets upgraded: http://pastie.caboo.se/86582 - does that look right? |
| 11:39.27 | liable | rob19: looks fine |
| 11:39.59 | themill | viller: lenny is supposed to be always installable. it is supposed to be bug free. at present, vlc is buggy therefore it can't be in lenny. Simple. |
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| 11:40.25 | themill | viller: and btw if you have to ask what to add to get stable repos, you perhaps shouldn't be running lenny anyway. |
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| 11:46.51 | andyp_ | hi |
| 11:46.53 | niksie | Hi all |
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| 11:47.46 | andyp_ | i would like xterm to save the output of a certain command to a file say called input what is the command line for this |
| 11:47.59 | xand | > |
| 11:48.13 | xand | ls > file |
| 11:48.31 | themill | andyp_: either "certain_command > input" or "script input" and then run certain_command |
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| 11:49.32 | wfq | by the way themill, how do you know the size of a folder. All of them are set to 4096 |
| 11:49.41 | wfq | with df maybe? |
| 11:49.49 | themill | du |
| 11:49.55 | runev | anyone on ideas why pidgin (formerly gaim) gets stuck on connecting, when it worked perfectly before i moved to a new wireless network, and my roommate running windows has no problems? probably network related, but i'm stuck here |
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| 11:52.06 | andyp_ | themill : so first say the command is make menuconfig > input then on the next line make menuconfig |
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| 11:52.40 | themill | runev: I'm sure we can speculate about all sorts of wild ideas, but some more information would help us. Can you tell us about any error messages? |
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| 11:52.58 | liable | make menuconfig is ncurses based, you cant really redirect the output |
| 11:53.06 | themill | andyp_: redirecting output from make menuconfig won'y give you what you want. What liable said. |
| 11:53.49 | andyp_ | what liable said? |
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| 11:54.16 | themill | andyp_: [12:52] <liable> make menuconfig is ncurses based, you cant really redirect the output |
| 11:54.27 | themill | andyp_: if you want kernel config to be recorded, then use the command script, followed by make config or make oldconfig if you have something to base it on. |
| 11:54.58 | themill | andyp_: but you can always just compare the config files that menuconfig or xconfig generate. |
| 11:55.26 | antgel | is xconfig still around? |
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| 11:55.43 | antgel | that takes me back to RH5 :) |
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| 11:55.48 | themill | antgel: yep. it's qt based |
| 11:55.50 | andyp_ | themill: the thing is i get a errot and i must send that error o someone via email |
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| 11:56.15 | andyp_ | to |
| 11:56.23 | themill | antgel: and it's very nice if you want to wade through things in detail. Never did like menuconfig and never had the time to do config |
| 11:56.55 | andyp_ | themill; thankyou |
| 11:57.02 | themill | andyp_: is it an error doing make menuconfig? before the actual menu config arrives? |
| 11:57.12 | andyp_ | yes |
| 11:57.26 | liable | andyp_: install libnurces5-dev |
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| 11:57.41 | liable | stab in the drak, but beer me if im right! |
| 11:57.46 | liable | dark even |
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| 11:57.53 | themill | andyp_: and if liable's tip doesn't work and you still need info, then: make menuconfig 2>&1 > error.txt |
| 11:58.04 | themill | andyp_: or just pastebin the output for us and we can look at it |
| 11:58.16 | andyp_ | themill thanks |
| 11:58.35 | andyp_ | liable: thanks i will aptitude that package |
| 11:58.56 | themill | andyp_: aptitude install libncurses-dev should work |
| 11:59.09 | liable | 5 |
| 11:59.24 | themill | andyp_: (it's a suggests on the linux-source-* packages) |
| 11:59.32 | themill | liable: you sure? |
| 11:59.36 | liable | yep |
| 11:59.40 | themill | apt-cache show linux-source-2.6.21 |
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| 12:01.18 | themill | liable: aptitude install libncurses-dev pulls the virtual package which pulls in 5 :) |
| 12:01.39 | liable | ah, ok |
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| 12:02.09 | themill | liable: I was fairly confident that the suggests on the kernel packages would be right... it's not like those guys to get that sort of thing wrong :) |
| 12:02.37 | liable | themill: dunno, i dont have it installed and i can use menuconfig ;) |
| 12:02.51 | liable | but i see your point |
| 12:03.12 | x3on | I just downloaded the daily build netinst iso, well a few hours ago, I just did the checksum and they were different. Is it because a new one maybe have been uploaded since? |
| 12:03.23 | andyp_ | liable: thanks that worked ok |
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| 12:03.37 | liable | beer me! |
| 12:03.44 | themill | !beer liable |
| 12:03.56 | liable | nice, guiness too |
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| 12:04.09 | antgel | who cut the dog in half? |
| 12:04.10 | cahoot | a litre? |
| 12:04.21 | themill | andyp_: appropriate response is !beer liable |
| 12:04.29 | liable | cahoot: i know, the two litre jug would have been better |
| 12:04.31 | andyp_ | liable: beer and pizza on the gold coast please |
| 12:04.44 | andyp_ | liable; those were the days! |
| 12:04.44 | themill | *grin* |
| 12:04.58 | cahoot | liable, bordering on waterintoxication |
| 12:04.59 | antgel | x3on: check the upload date |
| 12:05.19 | themill | liable: libncurses-dev is a virtual package that is supplied by the 5 package so you never actually get libncurses-dev installed. |
| 12:05.31 | x3on | i did |
| 12:05.33 | x3on | 10-Aug-2007 11:16 |
| 12:05.50 | themill | x3on: ?? there are no updated etch CDs. |
| 12:06.05 | themill | x3on: where did you get this iso? |
| 12:06.21 | liable | cahoot: waterintoxication from guinness? |
| 12:06.21 | antgel | themill: it's not etch, ^^ |
| 12:06.25 | x3on | umm... from the debian site, but it resolved to some mirror? I'll pastebin the wget output |
| 12:06.25 | x3on | brb |
| 12:06.37 | themill | x3on: ahh sorry.. daily build..... me go have lunch now..... |
| 12:06.45 | x3on | !! |
| 12:06.46 | dpkg | I'm not your fucking csh prompt. |
| 12:06.52 | x3on | heh |
| 12:06.58 | andyp_ | ok I have got menu config showing what next save and quit the next instruction is Load your old config from /boot/ |
| 12:07.00 | liable | cahoot: you saying guinness is watery? its like a meal in a glass! |
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| 12:07.42 | andyp_ | liable: my goodness have it in Ireland from the tap is best a real meal |
| 12:08.21 | x3on | themill: http://pastebin.com/m64bd26a5 |
| 12:08.30 | themill | 23 pints of guinnes and a banana is all you need in your day.... |
| 12:08.39 | liable | andyp_: i am heading to scotland soon, i might even try and get to ireland |
| 12:09.25 | andyp_ | liable: woo thats a trip and a half please scotland you will on your back most of the time!!!! |
| 12:09.37 | cahoot | 23 pints? I'm impressed |
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| 12:09.59 | andyp_ | yes 23 is possible just start a noon |
| 12:10.01 | themill | I think that's what you need to get your daily allowance of everything.... |
| 12:10.04 | cahoot | AND a banan |
| 12:10.05 | andyp_ | at |
| 12:10.18 | x3on | so hows bout that netinst eh |
| 12:10.23 | themill | x3on: what md5 do you get? |
| 12:10.37 | andyp_ | liable: ok I have got menu config showing what next save and quit the next instruction is Load your old config from /boot/ |
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| 12:10.57 | liable | andyp_: if you have changed it, then you need to save and quit |
| 12:11.05 | liable | andyp_: why are you compiling a kernel? |
| 12:11.31 | x3on | 5e762260c33929f887a6020add4db4e9 |
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| 12:11.56 | x3on | ahh |
| 12:12.02 | x3on | the mirrors checksum is right |
| 12:12.14 | x3on | 2nd august :/ |
| 12:12.56 | themill | yeah... that's where I was heading. |
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| 12:14.03 | themill | andyp_: the kernel has become good enough that you rarely need to actually compile your own these days. Unless you run gentoo... |
| 12:14.20 | andyp_ | liable: have a look here http://mac-on-linux.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/installation_instructions |
| 12:15.01 | andyp_ | themill: as above |
| 12:15.08 | liable | its blank |
| 12:15.25 | themill | hmmmm... why do I feel like I missed some of that conversation... |
| 12:15.37 | andyp_ | themill: sorry |
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| 12:17.24 | themill | andyp_: no worries... I'm getting the distinct impression that lines of irc just never make it to me on a regular basis. I'm starting to think it's a freenode conspiracy against me so I'm on the look out for black helicopters.... |
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| 12:19.33 | andyp_ | liable: have a look here http://mac-on-linux.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Installation_Instructions |
| 12:19.52 | andyp_ | themill: got it 2nd time |
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| 12:21.26 | niru | How to put sound at login screen |
| 12:21.30 | niru | not through GUI |
| 12:21.34 | niru | what file does that |
| 12:21.40 | qwertz | Hi, is there a special way to change the hostname on an etch server or is editing /etc/hostname enough? |
| 12:21.41 | niru | I dont think alsa-utils does that |
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| 12:21.53 | niksie | Hi everyone |
| 12:22.27 | liable | !hostname |
| 12:22.27 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 12:22.34 | niru | hi niksie |
| 12:22.43 | niksie | I have a disk that I moved between two perfectly identical computers, and now ethernet doesn't work anymore |
| 12:22.51 | niksie | even though its exactly the same motherboard and ethernet cards |
| 12:22.56 | niksie | I checked with lspci |
| 12:22.57 | andyp_ | liable: i think the url should be ok now |
| 12:23.07 | niksie | Anyone have any clue what it might be |
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| 12:23.46 | themill | andyp_: hmmmm... I'm not sure why you need to compile your own kernel. It's not being patched and the config isn't being changed. |
| 12:23.47 | niru | How to put sound at login screen |
| 12:23.49 | niru | not through GUI |
| 12:23.52 | niru | what file does that |
| 12:23.56 | liable | andyp_: i think the headers for your running kernel should be enough to compile thos emodules |
| 12:23.56 | niru | I dont think alsa-utils does that |
| 12:24.00 | themill | niru: aplay |
| 12:24.08 | liable | niru: what the hell do you mean? |
| 12:24.12 | niru | aplay where to give that command |
| 12:24.26 | liable | you want it to play a sound when you login? |
| 12:24.33 | niru | liable, yes |
| 12:24.42 | niru | And want to do that through a file |
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| 12:24.53 | andyp_ | liable: so just apt-get kernel headers for my kernel |
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| 12:25.16 | liable | andyp_: yes, for your running kernel |
| 12:25.26 | wisp | hey, have anybody in here successfully got obconf (openbox's configuration tool) to install/run under debian lenny/sid ? if so, please let me know hoe.. :) |
| 12:25.29 | wisp | *how |
| 12:25.36 | themill | andyp_: and if that works, then update that wiki :) |
| 12:26.14 | andyp_ | liable: ok thanks but apt-get cannot find the mol modules? |
| 12:27.27 | Hammar | how can i determine which drivers the kernel needs for booting off a hdd? |
| 12:27.29 | andyp_ | themill: yes i will upate the wiki thanks |
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| 12:28.00 | liable | andyp_: you got contrib and non-free? |
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| 12:29.30 | themill | andyp_: are you running powerpc arch? |
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| 12:30.22 | antgel | can somebody have a look at http://www.modiin.muni.il/ for me, in firefox etch, and let me know if the scrolling text on the right, is hebrew characters or just boxes? trying to see whether a pango backport might be responsible |
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| 12:31.24 | andyp_ | liable : the line i have is deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 12:31.34 | antgel | s/firefox/iceweasel |
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| 12:31.48 | liable | andyp_: it was like that before? |
| 12:32.12 | andyp_ | liable: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 12:32.20 | liable | niru: your bashrc should do it |
| 12:32.32 | andyp_ | no i just changed it from the us one |
| 12:32.34 | liable | andyp_: do an aptitude update and try again' |
| 12:33.14 | niru | liable, u mean in .bashrc I need to give aplay <filename> |
| 12:33.31 | liable | niru: yeah, try it |
| 12:33.58 | themill | liable: .bash_profile? otherwise it will play a sound every time a script executes, won't it? |
| 12:34.35 | Shadur | themill: That might be what he wants... If what he wants involves going batshit crazy from the noise. :) |
| 12:35.09 | themill | maybe use: aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 12:36.08 | themill | andyp_: what do you get from uname -r |
| 12:36.18 | liable | themill: your prolly right, i actually dont know if bashrc is sourced everytime a shell is opened |
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| 12:37.03 | themill | !dotfiles |
| 12:37.05 | dpkg | dotfiles is probably http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles |
| 12:37.28 | liable | wheres greycat when you need a good bash larting |
| 12:38.15 | trollala | exit |
| 12:38.44 | niru | liable, aplay -t wav Desktop/simsg355q.wav |
| 12:38.44 | niru | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 12:38.44 | niru | aplay: main:550: audio open error: Device or resource busy |
| 12:38.55 | niru | when given in .bashrc |
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| 12:39.17 | liable | niru: do you have x running elsewhere? |
| 12:39.24 | niru | liable, no |
| 12:39.27 | andyp_ | liable: nope no mol on uk or us contrib non-free |
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| 12:39.43 | themill | andyp_: what do you get from uname -r |
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| 12:40.49 | andyp_ | thenill: 2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 12:41.07 | themill | andyp_: that's why.... moc only works on powerpc architecture |
| 12:41.18 | themill | errr mol |
| 12:41.25 | themill | andyp_: http://packages.debian.org/stable/otherosfs/mol |
| 12:42.02 | themill | andyp_: if you're running on x86 arch (i.e. 686 kernel) then you can't run mol. |
| 12:42.52 | themill | andyp_: if you want to be able to do maccy stuff like that then you'll need to look at full virtualisation like qemu or vmware |
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| 12:43.04 | akos | Hello! Does anyone know where gaim keeps its default emoticon pack? Or how could I grep some files for ":-w"? It takes -w as an argument... |
| 12:43.10 | akos | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:43.29 | andyp_ | themill; thanks did not know that |
| 12:43.29 | antgel | akos: aptitude search gaim |
| 12:43.57 | akos | antgel, wtf? |
| 12:44.13 | akos | antgel, i didn't ask for how to search for the packaged |
| 12:44.13 | cast | akos: try passing -- as the last option to grep? |
| 12:44.29 | themill | niru: what's the output of groups and lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/* |
| 12:44.31 | akos | cast, grep -R -- :-w * |
| 12:44.32 | akos | like that? |
| 12:44.36 | antgel | akos: you obviously didn't type the command then |
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| 12:45.20 | akos | i did. so what? it lists the packages that contain gaim. That is not what I want |
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| 12:45.29 | benny_ | hi |
| 12:45.43 | akos | antgel, i want to know WHERE they get installed |
| 12:45.43 | antgel | akos: you don't want gaim-themes - Smiley themes collection for gaim? |
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| 12:45.51 | benny_ | I want to prevent a kernel-module from loading at startup |
| 12:45.57 | akos | antgel, i want to modify the standard theme |
| 12:45.58 | niru | lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/* |
| 12:45.59 | niru | COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME |
| 12:45.59 | niru | esd 4806 root 5w CHR 14,3 6309 /dev/dsp |
| 12:46.00 | antgel | akos: ah. dpkg -L gaim-themes |
| 12:46.03 | niru | themill, |
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| 12:46.24 | themill | niru: you're running esd from gnome. |
| 12:46.25 | akos | antgel, ok, thanks |
| 12:46.26 | themill | !esd |
| 12:46.27 | dpkg | well, esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox, or an EarSoreDaemon |
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| 12:47.16 | x3on | umm |
| 12:47.25 | niru | themill, so what I need to do |
| 12:47.33 | liable | kill esd |
| 12:47.42 | themill | !kill esd |
| 12:47.57 | benny_ | is there a way to "not-load" a module? |
| 12:48.01 | liable | i didnt think the fucker started unless gnome started |
| 12:48.07 | liable | !blacklist |
| 12:48.08 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. |
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| 12:48.40 | liable | !factinfo blacklist |
| 12:48.40 | dpkg | blacklist -- last modified at Wed Jul 18 14:42:19 2007 by valdyn!n=valdyn@valdyn.us.to; it has been requested 27 times, last by liable, 33s ago. |
| 12:48.47 | benny_ | thanks |
| 12:48.57 | liable | bin/true? |
| 12:49.05 | liable | that doesnt make sense |
| 12:49.12 | benny_ | ._. guess not |
| 12:49.38 | benny_ | I'll simply try "blacklist *module*" there |
| 12:49.38 | x3on | hey themill - that older testing netinst iso i have should only be slightly different in the install, right? i mean as far as installing Lenny goes it shouldnt make any difference whether i use the netinst from today or the 2nd |
| 12:49.40 | liable | benny_: take a look at that file anyway, you'll get the idea. theres several that are commented out |
| 12:49.48 | x3on | yeah? |
| 12:49.50 | niru | now it shows aplay -t wav Desktop/simsg355q.wav |
| 12:49.51 | niru | aplay: test_wavefile:734: can't play not PCM-coded WAVE-files |
| 12:49.54 | benny_ | liable, yep :) |
| 12:49.57 | niru | liable, themill |
| 12:50.14 | liable | valdyn: where did you get the /bin/true bit for the blacklist factoid? |
| 12:50.31 | snowbird | the mill open cmd to open logfile viarooot |
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| 12:51.12 | benny_ | liable, must I disable all hisax modules or just hisax ? |
| 12:51.34 | liable | benny_: just the main one should do |
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| 12:51.44 | themill | x3on: it should be fine. there will just be some updating to do to get to the the current testing |
| 12:51.55 | benny_ | liable, my ISDN-Card sometimes crashes the bootup, is that the right approach anyway? |
| 12:52.01 | themill | x3on: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade should be enough |
| 12:52.33 | liable | benny_: blacklisting is fine if you dont want the module to load untill you are ready for it |
| 12:52.56 | liable | benny_: fixing the crashing, of course, would be a better idea ;) |
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| 12:53.20 | x3on | ta themill :-) |
| 12:53.20 | benny_ | liable, ok :) -- although I got no idea what sax is |
| 12:53.20 | themill | niru: you'll need to change the encoding of that wav. Good luck :) |
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| 12:53.48 | liable | try another player |
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| 12:55.59 | nootoyahora | hello to everyone, I have updated etch and my debian menu has disappeared, someone knows how to mend it? |
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| 12:56.25 | nootoyahora | I'm using etch |
| 12:56.28 | benny_ | another problem, I got absolutely no bass on my headphones -- any ideas what is wrong? |
| 12:57.06 | liable | nootoyahora: try running update-menus |
| 12:57.28 | nootoyahora | liable: I have done, menu, update-menus, dpkg-reconfigure and reinstalling, nothing |
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| 12:57.58 | liable | nootoyahora: thats about the extent of my menu debug skills ;) |
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| 12:58.34 | nootoyahora | liable: well, it doesn't matter, it seems that it is a bug reported... |
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| 13:00.12 | snowbird | whats the trick to read log file i am root in shell |
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| 13:01.06 | xand | snowbird: the trick? less? tail? |
| 13:01.26 | cahoot | benny_, tried settings in alsamixer? |
| 13:01.41 | benny_ | cahoot, not all of them yet |
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| 13:01.59 | snowbird | axand i dont know i want to read em there locked i am admin how y read em |
| 13:02.03 | Supaplex | snowbird: $PAGER |
| 13:02.13 | MisterMo | hi everybody |
| 13:02.14 | xand | what do you mean "locked"? |
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| 13:02.20 | Supaplex | !tell snowbird -about grounding |
| 13:02.50 | snowbird | have padlock r rr type |
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| 13:04.01 | benny_ | cahoot, does not help |
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| 13:04.15 | snowbird | xand when u read u logs how do u do it |
| 13:04.19 | Supaplex | !u |
| 13:04.19 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:04.42 | liable | snowbird: he said, use less or whatever browser you want |
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| 13:05.09 | liable | i vote for mc myself |
| 13:05.23 | snowbird | lliable a browser ? |
| 13:05.28 | jawsh | Is it possible if anyone could point me in the right direction on how to install debian packages that I put on a cd? |
| 13:05.29 | cahoot | Supaplex, it's the 50:th time he gets the 'u' prompt |
| 13:05.32 | jawsh | maybe a howto link? |
| 13:05.42 | Supaplex | nice. |
| 13:05.44 | akos | Hello! When creating patches do I do diff oldfile newfile, or diff newfile oldfile? |
| 13:05.58 | MisterMo | jawsh: dpkg -i package.deb? |
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| 13:06.09 | jawsh | thats the syntax? |
| 13:06.21 | antgel | akos: the former |
| 13:06.22 | MisterMo | jawsh: thats the syntax to install a package |
| 13:06.33 | akos | ok thanks |
| 13:06.34 | jawsh | and it will put the files where they need to go? |
| 13:06.43 | Supaplex | jawsh: yes |
| 13:06.48 | jawsh | thank you |
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| 13:06.57 | jawsh | damn, wireless |
| 13:07.03 | MisterMo | jawsh: it will do anything to install a package using the debian package manager |
| 13:07.39 | jawsh | well i installed the netinstall of debian on a laptop |
| 13:07.43 | jawsh | i am using wireless |
| 13:07.58 | jawsh | so no ndiswrapper or wireless utils to grab packages |
| 13:08.08 | akos | antgel, Can you help me post a patch to the gaim dev team? I have written the new emoticons from yahoo7 to the theme file, I did a diff oldfile newfile > patch.diff and then what do I do? make a .tar.gz archive with all the files needed, and post them to the mailing list? |
| 13:08.29 | MisterMo | jawsh: this is bad ;) |
| 13:08.35 | jawsh | ya |
| 13:08.39 | jawsh | well it's an older laptop |
| 13:08.47 | jawsh | and i'm trying to find a stable system for the laptop |
| 13:08.59 | jawsh | and dsl and puppy linux are not workin for me |
| 13:09.03 | liable | jawsh: you are aware you need kernel headers and the like to compile modules? |
| 13:09.05 | jawsh | and debian is my friend |
| 13:09.17 | antgel | akos: i would make the binary (.tar.gz) available for download, don't post it to a mailing list |
| 13:09.18 | jawsh | liable: yes |
| 13:09.26 | liable | good |
| 13:09.28 | antgel | !tell jawsh about enter |
| 13:09.35 | akos | antgel, ok, but anyhow it's small, a couple of KB |
| 13:09.54 | akos | antgel, about 64K uncompressed |
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| 13:10.02 | tuxx_ | hey guys |
| 13:10.08 | antgel | dpkg: hello |
| 13:10.10 | tuxx_ | how do i update the packages on my system? |
| 13:10.16 | tuxx_ | simply: apt-get upgrade? |
| 13:10.23 | liable | !reference |
| 13:10.30 | liable | lazy bot |
| 13:10.34 | cast | aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 13:10.36 | antgel | tuxx_: it's all in the debian reference |
| 13:10.43 | antgel | liable: brokenbot |
| 13:10.46 | liable | @reference |
| 13:10.47 | ravenbird | The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents |
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| 13:11.05 | liable | tuxx_: ^^ read it, its got lots of good info (really) |
| 13:11.10 | tuxx_ | yea well |
| 13:11.13 | MisterMo | i wouldnt upgrade a debian system |
| 13:11.17 | tuxx_ | i'm really not keen on reading a 50 page document |
| 13:11.21 | tuxx_ | i'll read what i need |
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| 13:11.29 | tuxx_ | MisterMo: you wouldnt? |
| 13:11.42 | liable | and we arent really interested in spoon feeding people |
| 13:11.43 | snowbird | i got em logs to open under were are my ones to tell me if some tried to get in |
| 13:11.45 | tuxx_ | i have a server running deb.. wldnt mind upgradeing ftpd and such |
| 13:11.46 | MisterMo | apt-get upgrade or the like will upgrade all packages |
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| 13:11.54 | tuxx_ | liable: did i say anything about fucking spoon feeeding? |
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| 13:12.00 | tuxx_ | liable: i said i'll read what i need.. |
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| 13:12.09 | tuxx_ | liable: i didnt complain about your noob rtfm answer so stfu |
| 13:12.16 | MisterMo | to update some software just run apt-get install pkg1 pkg2 etc. |
| 13:12.18 | liable | tuxx_: so go read the rlevent bit of that guide, it has an index |
| 13:12.27 | tuxx_ | liable: thats what i said... |
| 13:12.29 | antgel | tuxx_: nobody asked you to read the bits you don't need, however it's expected that you at least try to find out before asking here |
| 13:12.41 | antgel | tuxx_: way to endear yourself |
| 13:12.46 | tuxx_ | antgel: i did.. apt-get upgrade didnt come out of nowhere |
| 13:13.03 | cast | tuxx_: you probably shouldn't be admining a debian system |
| 13:13.06 | liable | tuxx_: no need to be a complete prick either |
| 13:13.14 | tuxx_ | cast: because i'm not familiar with apt-get? |
| 13:13.22 | tuxx_ | cast: i worked for caldera linux for 6 years.. |
| 13:13.26 | antgel | tuxx_: no, because you're not familiar with man |
| 13:13.28 | tuxx_ | i've contributed kernel code... |
| 13:13.33 | MisterMo | antgel: hrhr ;) |
| 13:13.36 | tuxx_ | i work for apple since 10 years |
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| 13:13.38 | tuxx_ | sigh.. |
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| 13:13.45 | MisterMo | hrhrhr |
| 13:13.49 | liable | wow |
| 13:13.59 | cast | tuxx_: i don't care. you can't do a trivial debian task |
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| 13:14.11 | Supaplex | he's left |
| 13:14.12 | liable | a kernel coder that cant read a doc as well written as the reference and understand it.. |
| 13:14.28 | cast | was probably the windows kernel :D |
| 13:14.33 | antgel | as if we're impressed that he worked for apple |
| 13:14.34 | MisterMo | ack xD |
| 13:14.36 | liable | heh |
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| 13:14.54 | antgel | ooh, a big marketing company, probably full of TOSSERS |
| 13:14.57 | akos | antgel, How do I apply my newly created patch? doing patch oldafile patchfile says garbled input |
| 13:14.59 | antgel | (allegedly) |
| 13:15.11 | MisterMo | hm... btw.. does anybody mind that i am new here? |
| 13:15.20 | cast | antgel: patch < patchfile with a -pX normally |
| 13:15.38 | antgel | akos: ^^ |
| 13:15.51 | antgel | akos: man patch |
| 13:16.03 | akos | i did... but i'm lost in all that text |
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| 13:16.19 | liable | theres a good gentoo doc on patching too, also in the kernel docs |
| 13:16.22 | antgel | akos: so read slower (serious) |
| 13:16.23 | cast | MisterMo: we don't give a shit. not sure what hrhrhr means, probably try not to type on lines by itself... |
| 13:16.31 | akos | antgel, ok :P |
| 13:16.43 | MisterMo | cast: hrhr means harr harr harr... ;P |
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| 13:17.16 | akos | antgel, I think my diff isn't correct... there isn't any entry that reads the file name to be patched... there should be, right? |
| 13:17.23 | antgel | i can't stand people who think that because they did <some nebulous thing>, that they should expect the likes of me to give them time and effort for free, when they can't be arsed |
| 13:17.42 | yos87 | to convert file to avi I make ffmepg -i file.fv file.avi But how to convert all files in the folder with same names .avi ? |
| 13:18.08 | akos | antgel, was that for me? :-s |
| 13:18.10 | antgel | akos: man diff - check out the the likes of -p, -u etc |
| 13:18.18 | liable | !irritate antgel |
| 13:18.21 | cast | yos87: quick and dirty....for i in *fv; do ffmpeg -i $i $i.avi; done then rename it later |
| 13:18.22 | liable | bah |
| 13:18.24 | antgel | akos: no, for the apple guy |
| 13:18.27 | liable | stupid memory |
| 13:18.52 | akos | ok:P |
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| 13:19.47 | MisterMo | gotta go, bye |
| 13:19.51 | simonrvn | @irritate antgel |
| 13:19.54 | ravenbird | antgel: hi every1 who uses dvd kk |
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| 13:20.15 | yos87 | cast : it say syntax error |
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| 13:20.24 | simonrvn | @comfort liable |
| 13:20.24 | ravenbird | There, there, liable. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 13:20.28 | yos87 | cast : isn't it ffmeg -i $i $i.av ? |
| 13:20.29 | liable | simonrvn: i used ravenbird just before, but after the first attempt, I lost the advantage of surprise ;) |
| 13:20.44 | antgel | ravenbird: i love you |
| 13:20.45 | ravenbird | I love you too, antgel. |
| 13:20.51 | liable | the ! motor skill is ingrained |
| 13:20.53 | yos87 | cast : isn't it ffmeg -i $i $i.av ? |
| 13:20.59 | yos87 | i |
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| 13:21.21 | yos87 | liable: how are you today? |
| 13:21.32 | simonrvn | liable: O_O |
| 13:21.37 | liable | yos87: very well. yourself? |
| 13:21.47 | cast | yos87: what are you talking about. ffmeg? |
| 13:21.51 | antgel | very aussie |
| 13:22.00 | simonrvn | liable: ;) |
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| 13:23.02 | cast | now that i think about it you might need quotes around $i, i don't use silly filenames so i never need to but you may |
| 13:23.07 | liable | whats very aussie? |
| 13:23.12 | yos87 | cast : you told me to makeffmeg -i $i $i.avi to convert many file in folder in same time, But it say syntax error |
| 13:23.25 | yos87 | cast: what is the $i |
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| 13:24.15 | yos87 | liable: i'm fine, Thank you, I'm off today liable !! |
| 13:24.39 | liable | day off? |
| 13:24.58 | liable | all the bots are looking like taking the day off.. |
| 13:25.12 | cast | yos87: run ls -l, and then the command i told you, then paste the entire thing to rafb.net/paste/ . I'm not sure whats going on, i never said ffmeg, thats not a command |
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| 13:25.14 | simonrvn | network time out |
| 13:25.14 | yos87 | liable: yes, today friday, I'm off |
| 13:25.31 | liable | beer time |
| 13:25.32 | simonrvn | liable: dpkg and debhelper are hosted at ucr.edu |
| 13:25.57 | basanta | is there any application is debian that open this .rm( real media) shit |
| 13:26.03 | cast | yos87: $i is the variable being assigned file names in the for loop |
| 13:26.05 | yos87 | liable : yes |
| 13:26.25 | liable | simonrvn: ya |
| 13:26.35 | cast | basanta: /msg dpkg debian-multimedia grab mplayer IMHO. |
| 13:26.37 | kielein | Yesterday I filed a bug with reportbug but can't find it with the search at http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 13:26.42 | liable | doesnt mplayer do real? |
| 13:26.44 | cast | basanta: along with the win32codec pkg |
| 13:26.57 | kielein | Shoudl it be there? |
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| 13:27.15 | cast | liable: i can't play alot of .rm files i've noticed on AMD64, so i presume it accomplishes .rm with the win32codecs |
| 13:27.19 | liable | kielein: did you get a response email? |
| 13:27.47 | yos87 | cast : http://pastebin.com/d6db68258 |
| 13:28.23 | liable | cast: there a couple of different versions of it too though iirc, we prolly dont have the codecs for the newest |
| 13:28.38 | kielein | liable, I don't think so, let me see... |
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| 13:29.07 | cast | yos87: ok. the command was '''for i in *fv; do ffmpeg -i $i $i.avi; done''' *however* from your paste it is evident you want *flv and not *fv |
| 13:29.09 | liable | kielein: you normally get an automated response iirc |
| 13:29.27 | cast | yos87: you have to be a bit more exact in your typing and reading ;) |
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| 13:29.38 | liable | n00b! |
| 13:29.43 | liable | ;) |
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| 13:29.55 | kielein | liable, OK thanks. I'll check if my mail was actually sent. |
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| 13:32.32 | giz_bmz | hi everybody |
| 13:33.01 | yos87 | cast: *however* is including the command? |
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| 13:33.50 | cast | how about i just paste exactly what you type |
| 13:34.02 | liable | or the other way round |
| 13:34.14 | cast | for i in *flv; do ffmpeg -i $i $i.avi; done |
| 13:34.39 | Absolute0 | every time i try to run 'apt-get update' i get this error: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/Release Unable to find expected entry contib/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 13:34.40 | cast | liable: cunning |
| 13:34.43 | Absolute0 | Reading package lists... Done |
| 13:34.46 | Absolute0 | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 13:34.49 | Absolute0 | how can i fix that? |
| 13:35.23 | Absolute0 | contib |
| 13:35.24 | Absolute0 | lol |
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| 13:35.34 | pheeror | hi, anybody running torrent tracker on linux? |
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| 13:35.56 | yos87 | cast: it working |
| 13:35.59 | qwertz | Is there a mysql4.1-server package available for etch (not only the dummy package)? |
| 13:36.03 | yos87 | *it's |
| 13:36.23 | yos87 | cast the command start from *for* I never knew there is command start like this |
| 13:36.25 | cast | pheeror: no one. ever. ever. anyone who says otherwise is a pirate terrorist |
| 13:36.33 | pheeror | cast: sure |
| 13:36.46 | yos87 | Thank you very much cast |
| 13:37.02 | cast | yos87: no prob. shame about the miscommunication |
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| 13:37.45 | yos87 | cast: yea, shame on me |
| 13:38.25 | yos87 | cast: But I don't understand how does that command workes |
| 13:38.44 | cast | yos87: for i in *; do echo $i; done |
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| 13:39.31 | cast | yos87: its easy enough syntax. go read the bash manual if you still don't get how the syntax works. if on the other hand you don't know what a for loop is perhaps learn a bit of programming |
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| 13:39.58 | SORMANOV | i cant mount my sony memory stick card, dmesg tell me: [ 1641.864000] tifm_core: MemoryStick card detected in socket 0:0 |
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| 13:40.19 | yos87 | cast: yes, you are right, need to learn the bash first |
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| 13:42.15 | cast | SORMANOV: is that the only relevent line in dmesg? |
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| 13:43.18 | SORMANOV | cast, yes |
| 13:43.23 | liable | is that like a CF card reader or something? |
| 13:44.24 | microtux | is there any debian repositories for eclipse ? i searched the net for long time without result |
| 13:44.49 | liable | its in the main repo innit? |
| 13:44.58 | liable | @info eclipse |
| 13:45.07 | cast | microtux: http://packages.debian.org/eclipse |
| 13:45.09 | liable | does ravenbird do info? |
| 13:45.10 | microtux | apt-cache search eclipse |
| 13:45.24 | cast | might not be in his arch |
| 13:45.27 | debian | how do i sync files with rsync if the ssh server is on a different port? i tried according to the following pattern rsync://[USER@]HOST[:PORT]/DEST but it says something like "expecting a different greeting message then welcome to open ssh server on debian" |
| 13:45.28 | cast | on* |
| 13:45.52 | cast | debian: if its a ssh server use ssh:// |
| 13:46.04 | Dewi | I didn't think rsync used URLs at all |
| 13:46.23 | cast | ph, or not. |
| 13:46.23 | Dewi | but anyway |
| 13:46.32 | Dewi | if you want to use different ports just specify an alternate ssh command |
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| 13:47.03 | cast | debian: you're right, it doesn't for ssh, for if you want rsync you have to do the whole rsync:// |
| 13:47.06 | Dewi | debian: -e, --rsh=COMMAND specify the remote shell to use |
| 13:47.30 | Dewi | debian: so you want something like -e 'ssh -p 1234' |
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| 13:48.07 | jelly | debian: or use .ssh/config to set the port |
| 13:49.10 | Dewi | jelly: wouldn't that affect all use of ssh? |
| 13:49.18 | jelly | Dewi: rtfm. |
| 13:49.19 | debian | thanks |
| 13:49.40 | Dewi | jelly: ... I have |
| 13:49.57 | Dewi | jelly: is there some way to apply those settings on a host by host basis, or what? |
| 13:49.59 | jelly | Dewi: settings are configurable per host, so no, not for all use |
| 13:50.31 | Dewi | Oh... magic "Host" pseudosetting. |
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| 13:50.37 | Dewi | Thanks, I'll have to remember that |
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| 13:51.09 | john | Hello all - i have a problem trying to install the win32 codex i get GPG error: http://www.dedale.eu.org stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 13:51.26 | cast | its a warning. you can ignore it. |
| 13:51.35 | liable | is that a legit mirror? |
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| 13:51.42 | liable | dont ignore it! |
| 13:51.47 | jelly | Dewi: my .ssh/config has 129 lines :-( |
| 13:51.50 | john | it came off http://www.debian-multimedia.org/mirrors.html |
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| 13:52.03 | liable | @key 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 13:52.18 | Dewi | jelly: ouch |
| 13:52.34 | liable | botlord! |
| 13:52.36 | hark | john: install debian-mulltimedia-keyring |
| 13:52.51 | akos | antgel, if I have some binary files (gif images) in my patch, diff -urN says that binary files newfile does not match oldfile (which is not there). Should Ieave them in the .diff, or remove those lines? |
| 13:52.57 | liable | john: they have the instruction on how to add the key |
| 13:53.15 | john | its added |
| 13:53.34 | liable | and you did an upgrade after? |
| 13:53.35 | jelly | Dewi: combination of stupid firewalls that forget idle tcp connections (ci$co), exotic sshds that break on some Debian defaults, and my own stupidity :-) |
| 13:53.57 | liable | and the 100 computer botnet you run |
| 13:54.11 | jelly | liable: there's barely 50! |
| 13:54.27 | liable | heh |
| 13:55.38 | jelly | liable: most of it is copy/paste, would be much shorter if the Host keyword accepted multiple hostnames |
| 13:56.37 | akos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:59.11 | debian | what bot is for help? dpkg is offline |
| 13:59.48 | cast | apt: hello |
| 13:59.49 | apt | Howdy Bub |
| 13:59.59 | liable | or ravenbird |
| 14:00.06 | liable | or aptitude |
| 14:00.10 | debian | ok |
| 14:00.11 | liable | or me |
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| 14:01.19 | debian | the xorg log file displays errors like these: WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc" does not exist. |
| 14:01.26 | debian | how do I install those fonts? what package name? |
| 14:01.26 | kyevan | Is there a way to run *generic opengl app* with some sort of software opengl implimentation? |
| 14:01.38 | liable | debian: you can ignore those |
| 14:01.46 | debian | but i want to install them |
| 14:01.55 | liable | debian: xfonts-base is the package that has fonts |
| 14:02.00 | themill | has dpkg gone walkies again :( |
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| 14:02.20 | liable | during the cross over, the x libs moved around and they left the old dir in for compatability |
| 14:04.04 | pike_ | anyone here use tiffcp much? can you explain to me why i have to include -r 10000 when making a g4 tiff? man page says '10000 is just a number that is larger than the number or rows in the source file' |
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| 14:11.31 | themill | dpkg: welcome back |
| 14:11.31 | dpkg | it's good to be home :) |
| 14:12.02 | flami | yes it is |
| 14:12.27 | themill | if only the bot could tell us why it keeps going walkies.... :) |
| 14:12.37 | schmick | woo-hoo!! ... newbie here ... I just got debian up and running on this old PC. :-) |
| 14:12.59 | antgel | !lynch xand |
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| 14:14.37 | liable | dpkg: where you been? |
| 14:14.55 | liable | ignoramise |
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| 14:20.17 | nvz | are there any decent movie editing frontends out yet or is mencoder and imagemagick still the way to go? |
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| 14:20.57 | cast | there are movie editing apps |
| 14:21.12 | cast | i think i tried lives, |
| 14:21.23 | cast | cinelerra is probably worth trying too |
| 14:22.38 | debian | where do i get mplayerplug-in? instead of it, mozilla-mplayer is being installed |
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| 14:22.49 | nvz | cast: either in etch? |
| 14:22.55 | cast | lives is |
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| 14:23.16 | nvz | hmm. I've been doing it the hard way |
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| 14:24.33 | wfq | How can I know when the last time of upgrading a debian was? |
| 14:24.50 | nvz | wfq: check your calendar? :P |
| 14:25.03 | themill | wfq: /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 14:25.39 | wfq | themill this is the problem, I have not got dpkg.log |
| 14:25.57 | liable | time to upgrade to etch then |
| 14:26.06 | nvz | something else I've been wondering for awhile now.. how the hell can you speed up mousekeys? like in windows you can set modifier keys to speed up and slow down, plus set the speed and accell.. I know xset m will set the actual pointer settings but mousekeys is always way slower than that I wonder if you have to turn up the keyboard repeat rate or something |
| 14:26.50 | themill | wfq: or look in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg |
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| 14:27.02 | yipstar | hello |
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| 14:27.18 | yipstar | i was wondering where i could find out if my hardware raid card is supported in etch? |
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| 14:27.45 | nvz | etch uses a 2.6 linux kernel |
| 14:27.46 | cast | is it a real raid card of a fake one? |
| 14:27.56 | nvz | find out if linux 2.6 supports it... use googe |
| 14:27.58 | cast | or* |
| 14:27.59 | nvz | google even |
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| 14:30.18 | wfq | nor dpkg.log nor dpkg.cfg.... and the version is sarge |
| 14:31.52 | themill | ahhh... if it's sarge, then I can't help you. I don't have any sarge boxen around any more to look... |
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| 14:32.29 | themill | you could run apt-get -s upgrade and see how woefully out of date your packages from security are? |
| 14:32.37 | yipstar | cast, nvz: ok i'll google directly, thought there might a list on the debian site somewhere but I can't find one |
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| 14:34.11 | pingouin_ | yipstar: http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ |
| 14:34.36 | pingouin_ | yipstar: http://linuxcompatible.org/ |
| 14:34.38 | themill | !hcl |
| 14:34.38 | dpkg | hcl is, like, at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, or http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ |
| 14:34.57 | yipstar | pingouin_: ah, thank you! |
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| 14:35.17 | yipstar | themill: thanks as well |
| 14:35.48 | pingouin_ | yipstar: generaly, make a search on the web, with the brand/chipset of your hardware lead you to an answer |
| 14:37.07 | yipstar | pingouin_: gotcha |
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| 14:38.13 | pingouin_ | yipstar: and, imha, it's best to make the search before buying anything |
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| 14:46.52 | smhar | hello |
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| 14:47.02 | alex_ | hi |
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| 14:48.02 | smhar | I want to install debian etch on an old pc using the install floppies, but it seems that the floppies do not have support for reiserfs, and I want to use that. how to do this? |
| 14:48.39 | liable | the floppies have 2.4 kernel, so unless you can use other media, you cant |
| 14:49.26 | smhar | liable, :-( |
| 14:49.40 | smhar | can I use my network somehow? nfs? |
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| 14:50.14 | liable | smhar: see the install guide for pxe and whatever the other is |
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| 14:51.46 | smhar | this system only has 32mb of ram and it is running slackware 10... but I think it is time to upgrade it, but it the cd drive is faulty as well |
| 14:51.58 | smhar | I will check this pxe thing |
| 14:52.22 | liable | oh, if you have slack, just get the hd-media kernel |
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| 14:52.38 | liable | pop it in boot, and let grub/lilo know about it |
| 14:52.54 | liable | /boot |
| 14:53.01 | giz_bmz | hi.... |
| 14:53.26 | giz_bmz | any idea how to protect access to an entry in grub/lilo with a password ?? |
| 14:54.11 | kyevan | Mmm, kernel upgrade time! |
| 14:54.15 | giz_bmz | for example : to access debian system via grub, i want to protect with password |
| 14:54.18 | kyevan | Linux kyone 2.6.17-1-k7 #1 SMP Thu Jul 13 14:56:45 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:55.11 | liable | giz_bmz: i believe this is mentioned in menu.lst |
| 14:55.26 | giz_bmz | liable : but how ? |
| 14:55.41 | smhar | liable, can you make that more clear? hd-media kernel means, kernel from debian? how to go from there to the install process? |
| 14:55.46 | liable | giz_bmz: that, grasshopper, is for you to research |
| 14:56.07 | giz_bmz | liable : i see |
| 14:56.33 | liable | smhar: it a kernel and initrd you simply place in /boot and let the bootloader know about it, and chose it from boot, it runs the installer |
| 14:57.15 | themill | giz_bmz: look in /boot/menu.lst. There are lots of comments and documentation in there. |
| 14:57.33 | giz_bmz | themill : i will do now |
| 14:57.35 | liable | add a /grub/ to that dir |
| 14:57.55 | giz_bmz | themill : i'm using grub |
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| 14:57.59 | themill | giz_bmz: yes.... /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 14:57.59 | smhar | liable, and it is available as an option in the debian install webpage?! |
| 14:58.07 | liable | yes |
| 14:58.08 | themill | liable: good catch |
| 14:58.14 | themill | !beer liable |
| 14:58.17 | giz_bmz | themill : so there is no /boot/menu.lst but /boot/grub/menu.lst instead |
| 14:58.28 | themill | giz_bmz: correct |
| 14:58.33 | giz_bmz | themill : and this file is not so documented !! |
| 14:58.40 | liable | tis so! |
| 14:58.42 | themill | liable: you're going to get very pisshed at this rate |
| 14:58.53 | liable | heh, bring it on! |
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| 14:59.31 | themill | giz_bmz: umm.... it should be over 100 lines long and most of them are comments |
| 14:59.32 | liable | smhar: see the hd-media section of the IG |
| 14:59.46 | xsdg | I'm trying to cat a file using only bash builtins. Is there a better way than `read -u 0 -d (some char that won't show up) < thefile; echo $REPLY`? |
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| 15:00.03 | liable | except the bits that look like comments that realy arent comments ;) |
| 15:00.12 | themill | nod |
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| 15:00.20 | giz_bmz | wc /boot/grub/menu.lst gives : |
| 15:00.24 | giz_bmz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.29 | xsdg | (the problem with the read solution is that it doesn't stick newlines into $REPLY) |
| 15:00.41 | themill | giz_bmz: yep... so you've got a 194 line file.. you win |
| 15:00.43 | liable | dont fucking wc it, just read the file and the docs |
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| 15:01.20 | giz_bmz | themill : but there is no help to use password there !! |
| 15:01.31 | giz_bmz | themill : i think i lose ;-) |
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| 15:01.37 | xsdg | giz_bmz: read the file |
| 15:01.41 | themill | giz_bmz: first 4 or 5 lines talk about the docs for the file. then there's a section starting with ##password that's 7 lines long.... |
| 15:02.21 | liable | giz_bmz: gee, the fifth paragraph surely doesnt mention passwords |
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| 15:02.48 | themill | giz_bmz: if you're using less or vim to look at it, then / is your friend |
| 15:03.06 | giz_bmz | themill i'm using nano |
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| 15:03.19 | themill | don't tell me your troubles.... |
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| 15:04.44 | giz_bmz | themill : this what the file is saying about password : |
| 15:04.47 | liable | dont paste |
| 15:05.00 | giz_bmz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.12 | themill | aptitude purge nano is one of my favourite commands. Almost as good as fdisk running under windows. |
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| 15:05.20 | benoitc | back |
| 15:05.28 | giz_bmz | by the command 'lock' |
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| 15:05.51 | giz_bmz | i think that this mean that password protects only file from being edited ?? |
| 15:06.25 | themill | giz_bmz: you know that you can edit the kernel command line from the grub screen by pressing e, don't you? |
| 15:06.58 | giz_bmz | no |
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| 15:07.07 | benoitc | still have my problem with my usb scanner. When I plug it it disable the mouse. I thint his is a conlict between usb 1 and usb 2. Can someone help me ? I tried to change the kernel but changed nothing. dmesg : http://pastebin.ca/652151 |
| 15:07.13 | themill | giz_bmz: you do now... (this statement is false) |
| 15:07.14 | giz_bmz | themill: what you can do by that ? |
| 15:07.34 | liable | giz_bmz: seeing as you are seemingly to lazy to fucking search for any docs... http://www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/40/227/ |
| 15:07.45 | themill | giz_bmz: you can change what the root partition is going to be, add extra kernel options etc etc. There's lots you can do! |
| 15:07.46 | liable | now go and do it and stop asking silly questions |
| 15:08.10 | softwork | i have kernel 2.6.18-4-amd64 installed, in apt-get upgrade i see kernel 2.6.18-4-amd64, is the same version!?!?!? |
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| 15:08.20 | p0g0 | liable: have more beer...and take that wombat out of your ear. |
| 15:08.25 | giz_bmz | themill : cool, but this don't answers my first question : how to protect acess to the system !! |
| 15:08.36 | giz_bmz | themill : not to root editing ! |
| 15:08.47 | liable | p0g0: the beer is in front of me, but the wombat is eating my brain! |
| 15:08.49 | themill | giz_bmz: reread that menu.lst entry again with your new knowledge about editing command lines |
| 15:08.54 | mancubus | Why ftp client(0.17-16) doesn't append filenames with TAB ? |
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| 15:09.03 | liable | giz_bmz: it does! see the lock bit |
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| 15:09.06 | xsdg | mancubus: use lftp |
| 15:09.11 | p0g0 | liable: drown the wombat! |
| 15:09.25 | mancubus | xsdg, this is not suitable for me |
| 15:09.39 | p0g0 | liable: pour beer in your other ear... |
| 15:09.59 | xsdg | mancubus: ok. Well, the ftp command has a limited featureset |
| 15:10.00 | giz_bmz | i think that thios method protects the hole system |
| 15:10.14 | liable | p0g0: see, now thats why i irc, advice like that isnt easy to find! |
| 15:10.27 | giz_bmz | but i want to protect just debian entry by password and the windows one still accessible without password ::: |
| 15:10.30 | giz_bmz | you see ?? |
| 15:10.32 | liable | giz_bmz: please just read the link i gave you |
| 15:10.40 | giz_bmz | liable : ok |
| 15:10.43 | p0g0 | liable: worth every drachma you paid for it too! |
| 15:10.56 | mancubus | xsdg, Ok. I should build ftp-client from BSD. However thanks! |
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| 15:12.39 | softwork | i have kernel 2.6.18-4-amd64 installed, in apt-get upgrade i see kernel 2.6.18-4-amd64, is the same version!?!?!? |
| 15:13.18 | mancubus | softwork, what is differ? |
| 15:13.19 | giz_bmz | liable : thanks i'll try and tell you if it works |
| 15:13.29 | softwork | is equal? |
| 15:13.33 | liable | good luck |
| 15:13.51 | softwork | if is equal how is in apt-get upgrade |
| 15:14.01 | softwork | *why |
| 15:14.22 | mancubus | softwork, what release do you use? |
| 15:14.36 | softwork | etch |
| 15:14.45 | giz_bmz | do you know how to activate highlighting in nano ? i have searched in google ; but !!! nope ! |
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| 15:16.56 | liable | softwork: hrm, whats your dpkg -l output give for that already installed kernel? |
| 15:17.35 | mancubus | softwork, and uname -a |
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| 15:18.28 | softwork | ii linux-image-2. 2.6.18+6 Linux kernel 2.6 image on AMD64 |
| 15:18.28 | softwork | ii linux-image-2. 2.6.18.dfsg.1- Linux 2.6.18 image on AMD64 |
| 15:18.36 | vaq_ | Why won't firefox go fullscreen with "firefox -fullscreen" |
| 15:19.01 | xand | firefox isn't in debian |
| 15:19.03 | softwork | Linux softwork 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP Fri May 4 00:37:33 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 15:19.39 | liable | softwork: paste 'dpkg -l |grep linux-image' to a pastebot |
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| 15:19.42 | softwork | i install and message appear "the same kernel image is installed" |
| 15:20.02 | liable | yes, it will do that if you are running it |
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| 15:20.11 | softwork | ii linux-image-2.6-amd64 2.6.18+6 Linux kernel 2.6 image on AMD64 |
| 15:20.12 | softwork | ii linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2 Linux 2.6.18 image on AMD64 |
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| 15:21.04 | giz_bmz | vaq_ : this is not a valid option for firefox, see man firefox ! |
| 15:21.06 | liable | softwork: whats the name of the deb its installing now? |
| 15:21.26 | softwork | deb? |
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| 15:21.38 | Rule23 | http://www.ginawildganzprivat.dl.am/ |
| 15:21.44 | dos000 | anyone: ... i would appreciate if someone can tell me what is going on with my source list ... http://pastebin.ca/652461 |
| 15:22.04 | liable | softwork: apt-get should show you what the name of the .deb is that its installing |
| 15:22.06 | dos000 | its been 24 hr i am going crazy over this .. on a production system |
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| 15:22.52 | softwork | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.08 | dos000 | why does it say forbidden to download packages !!! |
| 15:23.30 | dos000 | i trtied dpkg --clear-avail ... did not help at all |
| 15:23.34 | liable | dos000: comment that mirror |
| 15:23.44 | dos000 | liable, which ne please ? |
| 15:23.56 | dos000 | s/ne/one |
| 15:24.12 | liable | dos000: the kernel.org one, put onother one in its place |
| 15:24.25 | liable | softwork: eh? |
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| 15:24.41 | liable | softwork: paste your entire apt-get output on a pastebot |
| 15:24.44 | liable | !paste |
| 15:24.44 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 15:24.48 | sparr | Is there anything like localepurge that operates in a more Debian Policy friendly way? Would diverting the deleted files to /dev/null be "better" in terms of playing nice with the package manager? |
| 15:24.53 | dos000 | liable, i had the one on top before .. then i switched to kernel.org .. same error. it always says mistmatch |
| 15:25.26 | liable | dos000: as well as forbidden? |
| 15:25.31 | dos000 | yes ! |
| 15:25.37 | softwork | http://paste.debian.net/34369 |
| 15:25.40 | dos000 | wait .. |
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| 15:26.16 | liable | softwork: no, the install output |
| 15:26.31 | softwork | how i see install output? |
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| 15:26.45 | liable | softwork: installing the kernel |
| 15:26.53 | softwork | is installed |
| 15:26.57 | softwork | i install |
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| 15:27.18 | dos000 | liable, http://pastebin.ca/652465 this is what i get |
| 15:27.22 | softwork | message appear is same version |
| 15:27.29 | dos000 | liable, why does it say forbidden ??? |
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| 15:27.46 | softwork | i install and now dont appear in apt-get upgrade |
| 15:27.56 | liable | dos000: that one looks better |
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| 15:28.28 | liable | dos000: i suspe ct the security mirror is a bit flakey, there was someone else here today with the md5sum mismatch |
| 15:28.29 | dos000 | liable, i am just lost .. i cant tell anything anymore ... this only happens after a while ! |
| 15:28.42 | dos000 | liable, could ve been me ! |
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| 15:29.04 | dos000 | liable, do you remember the name ? |
| 15:29.19 | liable | dos000: nope, could have been you though |
| 15:29.29 | jetscreamer | i think it was him |
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| 15:29.38 | liable | dos000: oh, it was you |
| 15:29.47 | jetscreamer | did you try dpkg --clear-available ? |
| 15:29.50 | dos000 | liable, i think i am doing something wrong. I kept reinstalling the whole machine |
| 15:29.55 | jetscreamer | and then apt-get update? |
| 15:30.03 | dos000 | jetscreamer, i get the same error |
| 15:30.15 | jetscreamer | take the security line out :o |
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| 15:30.30 | themill | dos000: can you please pastebin the output of ls -lFa /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 15:30.30 | jetscreamer | is that etch or lenny |
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| 15:30.46 | liable | etch |
| 15:30.52 | dos000 | etch |
| 15:30.58 | jetscreamer | do what themill says, it looks interesting |
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| 15:31.05 | dos000 | i took out the security .. now seems fine |
| 15:31.12 | dos000 | but i am just puzzled |
| 15:31.17 | snowbird | wow morning themill |
| 15:31.30 | themill | afternoon, snowbird |
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| 15:31.58 | snowbird | i suppose |
| 15:32.03 | jetscreamer | wtf i have security listed in that output and i run sid |
| 15:32.05 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 15:32.28 | jetscreamer | under partial |
| 15:32.29 | themill | it's so you can have a false sense of ... |
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| 15:32.56 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 15:32.59 | jetscreamer | pebkac |
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| 15:33.06 | drwahl | is there anything similar to apt-get but for mp3s? |
| 15:33.11 | dos000 | themill, sorry i missed .. one sec |
| 15:33.14 | liable | hah |
| 15:33.33 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.40 | liable | drwahl: like, mp3-get britney spears ? |
| 15:33.43 | jetscreamer | but reenable the security one maybe |
| 15:33.49 | drwahl | liable: exactly :) |
| 15:33.58 | jetscreamer | drwahl: it's called torrent... |
| 15:34.00 | liable | drwahl: yeah, its called bittorent |
| 15:34.02 | themill | !kill liable |
| 15:34.10 | themill | horrible taste in music |
| 15:34.15 | drwahl | lol, ok, any suggestions for text based clients? |
| 15:34.15 | liable | you know she rock! |
| 15:34.22 | dos000 | themill, http://pastebin.ca/652470 |
| 15:34.22 | pike_ | drwahl: maybe some cli app using edonkey :) |
| 15:34.27 | jetscreamer | i hear ppl like rtorrent |
| 15:34.33 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search torrent |
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| 15:34.41 | snowbird | rottie hungry were is stew |
| 15:34.45 | liable | yeah, the cool kids seem to like rtorrent |
| 15:34.48 | filleokus | yeaph rtorrent is rly nice |
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| 15:34.51 | themill | liable: you haven't seen the physics textbook: http://britneyspears.ac/lasers.htm |
| 15:35.00 | drwahl | thanks |
| 15:35.14 | themill | dos000: can you re-enable security and do that again? |
| 15:35.18 | pablo_ | hi, does debians kernel still has non-free firmware? will it be removed? |
| 15:35.34 | jetscreamer | lol semiconductor physics |
| 15:35.35 | liable | themill: heh |
| 15:35.41 | themill | dos000: (after an aptitude update) |
| 15:35.52 | jetscreamer | pablo_: not afaik but no idea |
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| 15:36.13 | Haris | Hello folks |
| 15:36.15 | themill | pablo_: I think it's still a work in progress. |
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| 15:36.24 | snowbird | torents leave ports open |
| 15:36.29 | Haris | Does jboss or jboss-3.2.6 work good on debian 4.0? |
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| 15:36.46 | Ronin | considering we don't even put in docs for some apps as they have non compliant parts i find it odd the kernel has non-free :) |
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| 15:37.17 | dos000 | themill, http://rafb.net/p/HRZm9o85.html |
| 15:37.35 | jetscreamer | you can tell it which port to use |
| 15:37.43 | jetscreamer | or a range |
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| 15:37.57 | themill | looks good so far.... and do you still have the md5sum error? |
| 15:38.02 | dos000 | yes |
| 15:38.35 | liable | why is there a lock file in there? |
| 15:38.42 | jetscreamer | does your line look like deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free |
| 15:38.46 | dos000 | themill, http://rafb.net/p/HoAb3e40.html |
| 15:39.23 | jetscreamer | cept etch.... ohhhh |
| 15:39.35 | jetscreamer | try changing the word etch to stable |
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| 15:40.06 | dos000 | jetscreamer, are you talking about the mismatch ? |
| 15:40.13 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 15:40.19 | dos000 | ok .. lemme try ... |
| 15:40.25 | jetscreamer | there was something about that a while ago |
| 15:40.41 | themill | jetscreamer: yeah... it was change stable/updates to etch/updates ;) |
| 15:40.51 | jetscreamer | o :) |
| 15:41.09 | jetscreamer | iirc the other way but i don't know i run sid for years |
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| 15:41.27 | jetscreamer | i'm mixing testing and sid atm |
| 15:41.49 | dos000 | shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit ... it works ! |
| 15:41.57 | jetscreamer | yay team |
| 15:42.00 | themill | :) |
| 15:42.05 | dos000 | jetscreamer, you da man ! |
| 15:42.30 | dos000 | no .. any good soul can explain why ? |
| 15:42.32 | themill | hmmm... so now the question is why do all my boxen work with etch/updates |
| 15:42.37 | jetscreamer | nah i'm the elephant, somebody else origianlly said it |
| 15:42.46 | themill | dos000: nope. stuffed if I know |
| 15:43.10 | dos000 | thanks guys |
| 15:43.31 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
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| 15:44.11 | jetscreamer | now i wonder if you change it back will it work |
| 15:44.40 | liable | what was the problem? s/etch/stable/? |
| 15:44.53 | jetscreamer | seems so |
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| 15:46.06 | niksie | how do I configure mkinitramfs to give me a shell before trying to mount the root disk? |
| 15:46.16 | Ronin | themill: its' always beer o'clock |
| 15:46.27 | themill | Ronin: are you Australian too? |
| 15:46.34 | jetscreamer | s/beer/sumthin/ |
| 15:46.41 | Ronin | themill: canadian but we have the same beer habits :) |
| 15:46.50 | themill | Ronin: so it seems |
| 15:47.03 | jetscreamer | labatt50 was my ale of choice in montreal 30 years ago |
| 15:47.04 | dos000 | jetscreamer, i am so 24 hr late ... ! |
| 15:47.10 | Haris | does debian recognize and setup raid disks on its own during setup? |
| 15:47.11 | themill | Ronin: I was starting to think that this place was infested with them |
| 15:47.14 | Haris | setup = install |
| 15:47.52 | liable | weird, mine works with both |
| 15:48.13 | jetscreamer | dos000: if themill hadn't told you to do that i wouldn't have looked at it and remembered..12-24hrs after you asked |
| 15:48.22 | snowbird | the mill canada eh were? |
| 15:48.42 | jetscreamer | dos000: just for grins change it back and see if it works |
| 15:48.47 | jetscreamer | sometime |
| 15:49.01 | themill | liable there wouldn't have been something half-downloaded in partial/ that was causing trouble would there.... |
| 15:49.18 | themill | dos000: you don't have a proxy in the way do you? |
| 15:49.26 | themill | dos000: transparent perhaps? they're the worst. |
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| 15:49.53 | jetscreamer | gah it's --clear-avail not available |
| 15:49.59 | dos000 | themill, could be ! i have no idea |
| 15:50.30 | liable | themill: dunno actually |
| 15:50.40 | themill | dos000: transparent proxies are a pig... they keep feeding you duff data and because it's transparent, the client has no idea that it should be telling the proxy to sod off and give me fresh stuff |
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| 15:50.49 | jetscreamer | but it didn't clear the ls -lFa /var/lib/apt/lists/ stuff that's listed |
| 15:50.53 | rob19 | firehol is cool |
| 15:51.26 | Haris | I need to configure my squid to give me fresh stuff |
| 15:51.26 | dos000 | themill, this is inside a data centre .. so they could be doing it |
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| 15:53.52 | jetscreamer | i love sardines |
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| 15:54.01 | jetscreamer | my wife can't stand the smell... |
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| 15:56.18 | liable | mmm, just made me think of chilli muscles, but i dont have any :( |
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| 15:57.06 | Haris | fish! |
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| 15:59.40 | dos000 | argh ... now i am getting Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main php4 6:4.4.4-8+etch3 404 Not Found |
| 15:59.50 | liable | oh dear |
| 15:59.59 | dos000 | is php4 not supposed to be in there ? |
| 16:00.00 | themill | well it's an improvement.... |
| 16:00.07 | dos000 | thanks ! |
| 16:00.34 | dos000 | is there a story with php4 ? |
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| 16:00.44 | jetscreamer | sounds like the listing is there but the package is still being uploaded to me... or that's my interpretation when that happens to me.. i just wait a bit |
| 16:01.08 | jetscreamer | no idea though |
| 16:01.16 | dos000 | i have to rebuild this machine ... and evrything has decided to just fail for no reason ! |
| 16:01.24 | themill | it most definitely should be there. http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/p/php4/ |
| 16:01.26 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 16:01.26 | dpkg | well, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 16:01.35 | jetscreamer | bare metal it |
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| 16:02.06 | dos000 | jetscreamer, the machine is hosed. i am doing this on the standby |
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| 16:02.29 | dos000 | the standby was never ready .. ! |
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| 16:03.31 | dos000 | themill, its trying to get http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/p/php4/php4_4.4.4-8+etch3_all.deb |
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| 16:05.37 | kyevan | ... Why is bnetd packaged in debian? You would think that the whole DMCA threat thing would cause at least the US-based folks to not want to package or distribute it. |
| 16:05.53 | jetscreamer | !find bnetd |
| 16:06.01 | themill | it should be +etch4.... |
| 16:06.03 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bnetd' (4 of 5): (/usr/sbin/ebnetd) in text/ebnetd ;; (/usr/sbin/bnetd) in net/bnetd,contrib/net/pvpgn ;; (/etc/pvpgn/{bnetd.conf|bnetd_default_user.cdb|bnetd_default_user.plain}) in contrib/net/pvpgn ;; (/etc/init.d/bnetd, /usr/share/doc/bnetd/examples/bnetd.reg, /etc/bnetd/{bnetd.conf|bnetd_default_user}) in net/bnetd. |
| 16:06.17 | dos000 | anyone knows whether php4_4.4.4-8+etch3_all.deb is supposed to be there ? |
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| 16:06.44 | dos000 | ouch ! |
| 16:06.45 | themill | dos000: no, it's been superceeded by +etch4 |
| 16:07.00 | dos000 | themill, so there is a dependency prob somewhere ! |
| 16:07.10 | jetscreamer | is that an apt-get upgrade or an apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:07.23 | themill | dos000: and perhaps try aptitude not apt-get |
| 16:07.27 | jetscreamer | yeah |
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| 16:08.01 | liable | unlikely to help |
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| 16:08.25 | dos000 | themill, seems to work ... ! |
| 16:08.27 | themill | liable: habit forming, though ;) |
| 16:08.44 | dos000 | ooops ! |
| 16:08.49 | themill | dos000: it's not secretly a sarge box, is it? |
| 16:08.52 | dos000 | just failed later ! |
| 16:09.01 | dos000 | no man ... |
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| 16:09.10 | liable | phew, i was about to eat my words |
| 16:09.13 | themill | dos000: perhaps it just likes you retrying.... |
| 16:09.34 | dos000 | themill, how can i tell beside apt/sources ? |
| 16:10.01 | themill | dos000: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 16:10.22 | liable | libc6 version |
| 16:10.26 | themill | apt-cache policy libc6| grep Inst |
| 16:10.28 | dos000 | says 4.0 |
| 16:10.36 | jetscreamer | Inst or inst |
| 16:10.52 | themill | Inst |
| 16:10.58 | dos000 | ok .. it still wants etch3 |
| 16:11.05 | dos000 | maybe the mirror is old ! |
| 16:11.13 | liable | then you have an old packages file |
| 16:11.19 | liable | for some reason |
| 16:11.34 | dos000 | lemme try dist-upgrade |
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| 16:11.52 | jetscreamer | there ya go |
| 16:11.53 | themill | old packages file.... back to that original problem.... |
| 16:12.00 | liable | dos000: your /var partition isnt full or something silly? |
| 16:12.15 | jetscreamer | it's the upgrade vs dist-upgrade i bet |
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| 16:13.00 | snowbird | i need port open to dl do i need to open it in router? |
| 16:13.04 | themill | is there a way of doing an rdepends on a versioned package |
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| 16:13.33 | dos000 | no help with dist-upgrade |
| 16:13.37 | themill | snowbird: if you are using something like http to download and your router is doing NAT, then you shouldn't need to |
| 16:13.43 | dos000 | liable, no its not full |
| 16:13.55 | snowbird | nat failed |
| 16:13.59 | irwiss | Are there packages I need to install or modules to load to get laptop dfp display backlight control to work? It seems to work in ubuntu gutsy, but not in sid. I've HP dv6160ea(intel) laptop with nvidia 7400, daily-upgraded debian sid with partial gnome(gnome-core and a few side packages). What affects backlight control? |
| 16:14.02 | themill | dos000: change back to etch/updates ?? |
| 16:14.04 | hark | dos000: does apt-cache pollicy show the available version? |
| 16:14.26 | irwiss | backlight control as in gnome backlight applet * |
| 16:14.30 | themill | anyway.... so long all.. have a good weekend |
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| 16:14.38 | dos000 | hark, Installed: 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
| 16:14.49 | hark | dos000: candidate |
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| 16:15.05 | themill | dos000: that's libc6 from etch |
| 16:15.09 | hark | dos000: for the package you are trying to upgrade |
| 16:15.14 | dos000 | hark, sorry i missed you |
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| 16:15.35 | john_titor | hi... where can i find a good debian netinst guide? |
| 16:15.48 | hark | !ig |
| 16:15.48 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 16:16.01 | dos000 | hark, it says Candidate: 6:4.4.4-8+etch3 |
| 16:16.07 | nvz | Intel Corporation 82801DB PRO/100 VE (CNR) Ethernet Controller (rev 82) this should be a e100 card right? |
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| 16:16.33 | john_titor | thx! |
| 16:16.49 | liable | nvz: sure |
| 16:17.01 | nvz | I had to throw a RTL8139 in there cause I couldnt get that sob loaded. the driver found the mac id, but wouldnt give it an eth interface |
| 16:17.03 | dos000 | there is no etch4 in the candidate at all |
| 16:17.37 | nvz | I kinda need that dlink for the other box or I gotta get another card for it |
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| 16:17.54 | nvz | the onboard intel pro 100 should work |
| 16:18.04 | cargohold | When you find a bug, Notify the authors plz :) |
| 16:18.19 | liable | nvz: what kernel? there was a e100pro driver too |
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| 16:18.29 | cargohold | Or.. for crying out loud :P |
| 16:18.34 | nvz | liable: etch I guess is 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 16:18.47 | cargohold | nvz: modprobe 8139too |
| 16:18.51 | nvz | liable: I had to put a new kernel on it cause the box I had it on was an Athlon 800 |
| 16:19.13 | nvz | cargohold: I got the dlink working but I need to take it out.. trying to figure out how to get the intel onboard to work |
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| 16:19.21 | dos000 | there could be a stupid proxy in the network giving me old packages file |
| 16:19.33 | hark | dos000: ok, where it says that is it under the main mirror or security.debian.org |
| 16:19.37 | nvz | I mean I guess I could just run a router on that box too |
| 16:19.42 | liable | dos000: theres certainly something funky going on |
| 16:19.51 | cargohold | nvz: the realtek is 8139too most likely |
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| 16:20.00 | nvz | cargohold: yes, we all know |
| 16:20.08 | nvz | cargohold: thank you |
| 16:20.10 | cargohold | nvz: okies... |
| 16:20.12 | dos000 | hark, it wnats to get it from 500 http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages |
| 16:20.41 | cargohold | nvz: so, what intel card is it ? |
| 16:20.49 | nvz | Intel Corporation 82801DB PRO/100 VE (CNR) Ethernet Controller (rev 82) |
| 16:21.00 | nvz | e100 found it the others did not |
| 16:21.06 | dos000 | can someone do md5sum on the packages file ? |
| 16:21.15 | nvz | but I got no logical network interface |
| 16:21.18 | nvz | no eth0 |
| 16:21.31 | liable | nvz: bios? |
| 16:21.58 | liable | although it prolly wouldnt show up in lspci then |
| 16:22.06 | liable | if it was disabled in bios |
| 16:22.29 | cargohold | nvz: You have no nic loaded atm ? |
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| 16:22.55 | nvz | liable: hmm I didn't check.. it was a win2k server I threw the xp hd in there out of the box that just died and the linux drive from my server and fired it up with a cd and installed the 686 kernel cause it had a k7 |
| 16:23.06 | cargohold | nvz: IE: ifconfig only shows "loopback".. |
| 16:23.14 | nvz | cargohold: I got the rtl loaded right now, but that card is pci and belongs to another box |
| 16:23.23 | cargohold | ok |
| 16:23.29 | nvz | the server is up |
| 16:23.58 | cargohold | So a new nic costs.. or are the stores closed atm ? |
| 16:24.12 | cargohold | (Thats what ive had done) |
| 16:24.18 | cargohold | ive done |
| 16:24.40 | nvz | I'd just rather use the onboard nic.. I can leave the other box off or throw it away for all I care |
| 16:24.48 | dirk` | nvz: why not a k7 kernel |
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| 16:24.50 | liable | whats the sys file to echo to to get the disk access debug output? |
| 16:24.58 | nvz | but if I don't need that pci nic I can use it again |
| 16:25.18 | nvz | I'm not buying anything that isn't going to be essential to the new network |
| 16:25.33 | cargohold | nvz: Plugin cards are always better because if they break you just stick a new one in and the same config will be ok |
| 16:25.35 | nvz | we just had a major meltdown two days ago and I had to act fast |
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| 16:25.58 | nvz | didn't have control of the 2k server so I debtookover it :P |
| 16:26.09 | cargohold | Haha! |
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| 16:26.13 | nvz | got cups and samba going at least |
| 16:26.15 | cargohold | Excellent :P |
| 16:26.25 | nvz | need to get the scanner and backup rolling soon |
| 16:26.27 | hark | dos000: that looks fine, but should have been +etch4 |
| 16:26.48 | nvz | got the xp drive backed up to the external and reformatted ext3.. |
| 16:27.11 | nvz | gotta leave the 2k drive until the dipshit that set it up gets back and boots it and undoes his voodoo |
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| 16:28.01 | nvz | got some kind of propriatary backup files and shit. he needs to explain to me the function of his server so I can emulate it properly |
| 16:28.04 | cargohold | nvz: I usually just boot a cd then resets the admin password if that happens |
| 16:28.16 | nvz | I don't do windows administration |
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| 16:28.28 | nvz | I do limited support for interaction with debian services |
| 16:28.42 | Strogg | What's the thing to ask the dpkg bot to get the latest pgp keys? |
| 16:28.43 | cargohold | nvz: Boot linux from cd, select "reset password [x]" done! :) |
| 16:28.46 | nvz | windows makes me crazy |
| 16:29.03 | nvz | bah its debian 4.0 now |
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| 16:29.08 | hark | nvz: s/dont/cant/ ;p |
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| 16:29.43 | nvz | I can very well do windows.. did for about 5 years |
| 16:29.48 | sparr | when i send backspace over a telnet connection, i get a space or a funky character. what can fix that? |
| 16:29.53 | nvz | then after 7 years of debian I see no need |
| 16:30.00 | hark | heh, ok won't do then ;) |
| 16:30.17 | nvz | I let the windows heads do their stuff and I do mine |
| 16:30.26 | hark | nvz: wait for vista server |
| 16:30.38 | nvz | I had to give some macosx user access to the server recently and was disoriented for awhile |
| 16:31.18 | nvz | the ssh setup is a lot like linux but programs work differently |
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| 16:31.41 | seria-mau | hi |
| 16:32.03 | snowbird | i need help |
| 16:32.12 | alex_ | !ask |
| 16:32.12 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 16:32.20 | seria-mau | i read on http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/results.html that debian kernel's are compiled with the badram patch. is this still true for etch or is this info outdated? |
| 16:32.35 | snowbird | i ahve a problem with my ports they won't open on router |
| 16:33.16 | hark | seria-mau: no, not by default |
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| 16:33.27 | hark | !info kernel-patch-badram etch |
| 16:33.29 | dpkg | kernel-patch-badram: (Kernel patch allowing to use partly-bad RAM modules), section devel, is extra. Version: 2.6.18.1-1 (etch), Packaged size: 58 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
| 16:33.38 | Ronin | snowbird: a debian router? |
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| 16:34.04 | cargohold | nvz: I think its this one i use for those resetting tasks (bootable cd): http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/cd070409.zip |
| 16:34.12 | cargohold | brb |
| 16:34.17 | nvz | I don't care :P |
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| 16:36.36 | nvz | right now you can bios boot or grub boot either win2k or debian and 70% of the servers function is already reimplemented in debian once those backups are restored so I can tar them up like a sane person and store them in a readable format it will all be fine I'll reformat the win2k crap with ext3 and setup raid |
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| 16:38.32 | snowbird | no ronin its a one from my isp |
| 16:38.39 | liable | ah, stupid wireless driver flooding the logs causing kernel log to right to disk.. |
| 16:38.48 | snowbird | debian has ip table and thing there fine |
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| 16:39.13 | snowbird | ronin i set the router to open ports and dmz when i scan it for ports there closed |
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| 16:39.41 | cargohold | nvz: tar sometimes fail to backup evolution's files so watch out for that if on Linux. Im not sure why evolution uses the crummy dir/file naming and layouts it does, must be something like stupidity going on there. |
| 16:39.59 | bdheeman | rether more specific indeed |
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| 16:40.06 | Ronin | snowbird: is it a debian box? if not check your owners manual |
| 16:40.09 | snowbird | ronin can u make debian a router |
| 16:40.20 | snowbird | its a speedstream router |
| 16:40.40 | snowbird | i think u right i row it out and make debian router |
| 16:40.46 | nvz | cargohold: heh. we'll be backing up MS Office 2007 and Quickbooks 2007 for the most part |
| 16:40.50 | cargohold | Firefox's dir/file layouts is also kinda weird. I would not have done it like that. |
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| 16:41.30 | cargohold | nvz: ok, sounds like fun.. atleast once you get to Install Linux all over that goop :) |
| 16:41.33 | nvz | I'm not going to drop all the change on them at once and make them move to Debian on the dekstops too |
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| 16:41.54 | nvz | they can talk to MS and Intuit tech support all they want |
| 16:41.59 | nvz | I don't want any part of it |
| 16:42.03 | slidesinger | ran apt-get upgrade, among the upgraded packages was linux-image-2.6-686 kernel panic not syncing: attempted to kill init! I have googled this error to know avail. I find plenty of mention, but no solutions. I could reinstall (have etch CD handy), but I'd rather fix if I can. I have also tried the recovery mode kernel. The previous working kernel was removed by apt. Any ideas? |
| 16:42.41 | sbuhj_99 | slidesinger: isn't that a ram error? (kernel panic) |
| 16:43.14 | cargohold | nvz: I bet theyll be happy because then they dont have to see messages like "Dear employer @ company X, Your computer will reboot in 10 seconds, hope youll have time to save your works", "Woops, it took 20 seconds to read the last message, rebooting now!!!" /Hehe |
| 16:43.27 | snowbird | onin trying something |
| 16:43.28 | cargohold | -10 seconds |
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| 16:44.28 | slidesinger | sbuhj_99: the Etch netinst CD, the InsertCD, and the Knoppix CD all load with no errors. The system also worked fine prior to the upgrade. I suspect it has something to do with initrd, but I'm not certain. |
| 16:45.34 | cargohold | slidesinger: that kernel is broken maybe, not having the proper filesystems compiled in or the image (initrd) is broken. Or Grub or Lilo's config was written wrong. |
| 16:45.50 | cargohold | Thats what can be wrong |
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| 16:52.54 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 16:52.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd95 is <WiFiTux> Is there a way I could make Doom 3 run faster? I mean, can I run it in a tty, or somewhere else? |
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| 16:53.52 | Artimus | Is there an option to pass to apt to remove any config files created by a package when I uninstall it? I don't like having a cluttered /etc filled with files I haven't modified |
| 16:54.31 | liable | yes |
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| 16:56.39 | slapfaceware | how do i hide my ip in here? |
| 16:56.41 | sbuhj_99 | Artimus: apt-get --purge |
| 16:56.59 | slidesinger | cargohold: Not running anything fancy, stock debian kernel, ext3 filesystem, root is /dev/hda2. all partitions mount fine from rescue shell. fsck returns no errors when I mount the drive and scan using another system. Grub kernel listing: root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro initrd /initrd.img-2.6.15.1.686 savedefault boot |
| 16:57.30 | Artimus | sbuhj_99: Is there anyway to make that work on packages I already got rid of? |
| 16:57.30 | liable | slapfaceware: visit the freenode website, see the bit about cloaks |
| 16:57.30 | slapfaceware | how do i make my ip unaffiliated here |
| 16:57.39 | sbuhj_99 | Artimus: don't think so, sorry |
| 16:57.46 | liable | yes, dpkg -P |
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| 16:58.05 | sbuhj_99 | assuming u have the deb package |
| 16:58.10 | hark | Artimus: /msg dpkg purge |
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| 16:58.28 | liable | sbuhj_99: you dont need the deb |
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| 16:58.42 | sbuhj_99 | oh |
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| 16:59.47 | Artimus | hark: Thanks |
| 16:59.47 | cargohold | slidesinger: /dev/hda2 should be hd(0,1) i think. (First disk, second partition) |
| 17:00.18 | cargohold | slidesinger: youve got hd(0,0) |
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| 17:01.56 | liable | before you get carried away with that, check device.map |
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| 17:03.03 | slidesinger | Yes, that is also what is running on my other three servers that work, all of which have /boot /dev/hda1 and root /dev/hda2. I tried changing to root (hd0,1) anyway and got: Error 15: File not found. Making it root (hd0,0) at least gets the kernel to boot before panic. |
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| 17:04.49 | paxcoder | why doesen't php-gd package installation work? |
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| 17:05.59 | paxcoder | is there anyone from support here? |
| 17:06.47 | lordrich | paxcoder: give us the error message you are getting and maybe somebody can help |
| 17:06.47 | epsilon2 | only after micropayment of 50$, just send me your credit card number :P |
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| 17:07.26 | jelly | paxcoder: all volunteers here |
| 17:07.28 | paxcoder | it doesen't generate an error message |
| 17:07.40 | paxcoder | it just doesn't work |
| 17:07.45 | jelly | how does it not work, then? |
| 17:07.52 | lordrich | well it must be telling you something for you to think it isn't working |
| 17:08.00 | paxcoder | anyone has php-gd installed? |
| 17:08.05 | paxcoder | or dealt with php? |
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| 17:08.30 | paxcoder | lordrich: no, it really doesen't |
| 17:08.40 | lordrich | yep, php5-gd is installed fine on multiple machines for me |
| 17:08.50 | paxcoder | it is supposed to integrate to php |
| 17:08.55 | jelly | paxcoder: which debian release? which version of php-gd package? how do you know it is not working? have you done the appropriate setup and confirmed that the extension is properly added to the relevant php.ini? |
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| 17:09.00 | epsilon2 | paxcoder, what command you enter? |
| 17:09.01 | paxcoder | i have installed php5, it pulled apache |
| 17:09.03 | paxcoder | Etch |
| 17:09.11 | paxcoder | newest |
| 17:09.15 | paxcoder | stabile |
| 17:09.28 | paxcoder | imagerotate() |
| 17:09.49 | jelly | paxcoder: does gd show in phpinfo() ? |
| 17:09.54 | paxcoder | let me explain what actually happens |
| 17:10.06 | epsilon2 | go ahead |
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| 17:10.09 | jelly | jeez people, show that you have done your research |
| 17:10.12 | paxcoder | jelly: unfortunately... yes! |
| 17:10.17 | paxcoder | still doesen't work |
| 17:10.23 | jelly | paxcoder: see, that's important. |
| 17:11.00 | paxcoder | and php doesen't say function is not recognized, but its like.... like GD didn't do any work |
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| 17:11.49 | jelly | paxcoder: have you checked the bug tracking service? |
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| 17:12.04 | paxcoder | i have a script that returns an image (sends a different header). everything seems to work fine, but it only prints the location of the script (which, btw isn't html) |
| 17:12.14 | paxcoder | (can't see the source) |
| 17:12.23 | paxcoder | bug tracking service? |
| 17:12.26 | jelly | !bts |
| 17:12.27 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 17:12.38 | jelly | system, not service, sorry |
| 17:12.40 | __nerv | hello, does the debian etch kernel include drivers for the intel P35 chipset? |
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| 17:13.51 | paxcoder | it says: no maintainer for php-gd |
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| 17:14.59 | paxcoder | jelly, any suggestions? |
| 17:15.09 | lordrich | paxcoder: that's because you want either php4-gd or php5-gd |
| 17:15.32 | paxcoder | oh |
| 17:15.34 | paxcoder | wait... |
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| 17:16.19 | lordrich | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=321237 may be relevent |
| 17:16.41 | lordrich | One functions that isn't available when gd is build with an external lib |
| 17:16.41 | lordrich | is ImageRotate(); |
| 17:16.57 | jelly | paxcoder: php-gd2 should have a maintainer |
| 17:17.31 | paxcoder | no, i found php5-gd |
| 17:17.43 | jelly | well, whatever :-) |
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| 17:19.05 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 17:19.11 | paxcoder | lordrich: yeah, i was just looking at that |
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| 17:19.47 | paxcoder | lordroch: it says it's 'wontfix', and I don't get it |
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| 17:20.37 | jelly | paxcoder: it means the maintainer feels it's not a problem with Debian's packaging, or that fixing it is not worth the problems introduced with the fix |
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| 17:21.08 | paxcoder | "gd library bundled with php" - does this mean it comes with php5 package? |
| 17:21.26 | paxcoder | or is there some bundle package? |
| 17:21.30 | jelly | paxcoder: comes with php source, and the maintainer chose not to use it |
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| 17:22.33 | paxcoder | jelly: i don't get it. when i installed php5, it said it doesen't recognize the function (that's exactly why i installed php-GD) |
| 17:22.57 | paxcoder | not recognizing functions usually means there is no library |
| 17:23.02 | jelly | paxcoder: that's because the function really doesn't exist in Debian's php5. |
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| 17:23.30 | paxcoder | jelly: but why is there an error after I installed php-gd? |
| 17:23.39 | jelly | paxcoder: what error? |
| 17:23.52 | paxcoder | it doesen't work |
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| 17:24.06 | jelly | it doesn't exist, how could it work? |
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| 17:24.22 | paxcoder | i installled it! |
| 17:24.41 | paxcoder | you mean it isn't even in the php-gd package, or what? |
| 17:24.53 | jelly | paxcoder: yes. there is no ImageRotate() with debian's php5-gd. |
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| 17:24.58 | paxcoder | ??? |
| 17:25.07 | paxcoder | that's silly. why? |
| 17:25.27 | paxcoder | how could imagerotate be some security risk? |
| 17:25.50 | paxcoder | ok, no matter. so the rest of the package should work? |
| 17:25.59 | paxcoder | (other functions) |
| 17:26.12 | jelly | paxcoder: most of them, yes :-) |
| 17:26.36 | jelly | paxcoder: unless you find another one that the normal GD library does not have. |
| 17:27.05 | paxcoder | hehe :-D lol |
| 17:27.32 | paxcoder | jelly: thanks bro(at least i assume), bye |
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| 17:28.05 | jelly | paxcoder: you're welcome, even though it wasn't much help :-) |
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| 17:28.29 | not_benh | hello all I was wondering if any one knows a program that will tell you what mouse button your hitting. I have a new-to-me Trackman FX that I'm trying to configure with X... but I cant figure out the addressing for two of the buttons. Any ideas? |
| 17:28.57 | paxcoder | jelly: no, it was actually. at least i know i can use the rest of it. I don't even need rotate, I just tested it with it. |
| 17:29.09 | c`alin | not_benh: try xev |
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| 17:29.15 | CreativeOne | anyone familiar wtih "dialog"? |
| 17:29.30 | not_benh | c`alin: thanks |
| 17:29.38 | c`alin | not_benh: no problem |
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| 17:31.07 | atom-z | how can i generate a string of random characters? (for a WPA PSK?) |
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| 17:31.42 | vanksi | atom-z, take you kb and hit your face with it, that should do it |
| 17:31.51 | atom-z | very funny |
| 17:32.18 | atom-z | i was thinking /dev/urandom but without the wierd chars that screw the terminal |
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| 17:32.31 | not_benh | c`alin: that is exactly what I was looking for thanks again |
| 17:32.43 | plowboy | atom-z: You can dd a little bit of data from /dev/random to a file, then open it with a hex editor and just use the hex values you find. |
| 17:32.44 | vanksi | atom-z, yeah, thats why you can just smash you kb a bit |
| 17:32.52 | vanksi | wtf is the difference anyhow? |
| 17:33.03 | cahoot | atom-z, like pwgen 64? |
| 17:33.25 | vanksi | you think the evil crax0rs will hax your mind? |
| 17:33.47 | atom-z | cahoot, thanks |
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| 17:34.42 | atom-z | vanksi, no... just its 63 chars and I may have to do something similar again in the future |
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| 17:35.40 | jelly | Ac0mP1eTeLySaFesecr3t ? |
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| 17:36.01 | dev0 | Is there some kind of "--prefix" for "dpkg -i"? |
| 17:36.17 | jelly | !wayttd dev0 |
| 17:36.17 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, dev0? |
| 17:37.02 | dev0 | I create .deb packages, and want to give the installing person a chance to install the package somewhere else (e.g. $HOME) |
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| 17:39.10 | wisp | hey, have anybody in here successfully got obconf (openbox's configuration tool) to install/run under debian lenny/sid ? if so, please let me know how.. :) |
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| 17:40.41 | dev0 | I like the .deb package format, but need a way to install packages somewhere else than /usr |
| 17:41.04 | c`alin | isn't the deb packe install based on a script inside the .deb? |
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| 17:43.07 | dev0 | c`alin: there are many scripts that could be written, but I hope for a way to e.g. just define a variable "Installroot" or "prefix" to select the location. But I did not even find a "dpkg" option to specify an installation prefix |
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| 17:44.26 | c`alin | dev0: look at dpkg --help |
| 17:44.29 | c`alin | it's /right/ there |
| 17:45.36 | dev0 | c`alin: found it: "--instdir" |
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| 17:45.44 | c`alin | bingo |
| 17:46.01 | dev0 | c`alin: Now I only need a way to specify that directory in the debian package meta data file |
| 17:47.01 | c`alin | tha'ts out of my jurisdiction. try googling "specify runtime arguments for dpkg in .deb" |
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| 17:47.32 | spheard | how do you spell pewse as in the colour? |
| 17:47.35 | spheard | peuse |
| 17:47.59 | dev0 | c`alin: thanks |
| 17:48.01 | c`alin | puce |
| 17:48.16 | dev0 | (although I already googled in vain) |
| 17:48.19 | c`alin | spheard: ^ |
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| 17:48.37 | spheard | :D |
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| 17:48.53 | c`alin | spheard: although you may be better off with "Dark Red" |
| 17:49.16 | c`alin | spheard: next time try googling it, it has automatic word-correction |
| 17:49.49 | cargohold | Steve Kemp here ? |
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| 17:50.14 | andrago | hi, how can I do that one alias I created be permanent? |
| 17:50.19 | cargohold | Steve: Why didnt you notify upstream about the local gsambad bug ? |
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| 17:51.07 | clamothe | how do I sort by memory usage in top? |
| 17:51.17 | c`alin | andrago: You mean a bash command `alias <command>=<newcommand>`? |
| 17:51.54 | andrago | yes |
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| 17:52.02 | c`alin | andrago: put it in ~/.bashrc |
| 17:52.12 | andrago | and for all users? |
| 17:52.13 | cargohold | andrago: add it to /etc/profile as stated above^ |
| 17:52.23 | andrago | ok |
| 17:52.25 | cargohold | all users |
| 17:52.25 | andrago | thx |
| 17:52.27 | cargohold | np |
| 17:53.00 | cargohold | IE: alias ls="ls --color" |
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| 17:53.28 | P-K | is there a way to make exceptions in cron rules? Like I want something to run every 40 min except on a certain day. |
| 17:53.39 | lordrich | clamothe: F then n then enter |
| 17:53.39 | c`alin | yes |
| 17:53.44 | clamothe | thanks |
| 17:53.45 | Alam_Debian | how do I get a process to continue running after I close a SSH session? |
| 17:53.56 | jorgp | what is the proper debian way for cdrom entry in fstab? |
| 17:53.57 | dev0 | Alam_Debian: nohup process |
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| 17:53.59 | c`alin | Alam_Debian: end it with & |
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| 17:54.04 | andrago | [cargohold] with that wil be made to all users except the ones are already created? |
| 17:54.18 | c`alin | P-K: yes there is |
| 17:54.35 | lordrich | or run it in screen |
| 17:54.36 | cargohold | anderson: all that log on |
| 17:54.36 | P-K | can you show me an example? |
| 17:54.47 | h3sp4wn | Alam_Debian: Or you could use screen or dtach it depends what it is |
| 17:54.52 | andrago | ok, thx |
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| 17:55.37 | cargohold | anderson: unless overridden in /home/UserName/.PutUsersShellHere.rc |
| 17:55.47 | cargohold | andrago |
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| 17:56.38 | andrago | ok, at the moment I only use this machine as root. So I changed in the bashrc from root and it's fine |
| 17:56.59 | cargohold | Look at this spammer: 15289 KB and 393 Visits tn138.internetdsl.tpnet.pl to my OSS site (Illicit behviour that is) |
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| 17:57.39 | cargohold | http://mange.dynalias.org/usage/usage_200708.html (Top 60 of 3788 Total Sites) |
| 17:58.22 | c`alin | P-K: 30 6 * * 0,1,2,3,4,6 <program> <-- Runs <program> every day except for friday at 6:30 am [http://www.scrounge.org/linux/cron.html] |
| 17:58.47 | P-K | nice! Thanks man. |
| 17:59.05 | P-K | ahhh that makes sense |
| 17:59.09 | cargohold | Hmm, pl are usually nice people.. ah, ok.. windows xp, lets see what botnet it belongs to and then remove the owner :=) |
| 18:00.06 | cargohold | Naah, i dont have the urge atm.. ill do it later |
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| 18:00.40 | markrian | I'm not particularly clear on how apt-listbugs is supposed to work. Will it, for instance, work with aptitude and show all critical bugs relating to packages I'm about to upgrade? Or do I need to run it manually? |
| 18:01.07 | liable | markrian: it shows them after upload, but before install |
| 18:01.16 | liable | s/upload/download/ |
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| 18:01.24 | cargohold | Happens: Groovy! |
| 18:01.30 | markrian | liable: aha, thanks |
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| 18:01.49 | liable | np |
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| 18:02.33 | cargohold | http://www.redhat.com/v/ogg/TruthHappensRmx.ogg |
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| 18:06.25 | S4nD3r | hi there |
| 18:06.33 | S4nD3r | I have a problem with javavm |
| 18:06.55 | S4nD3r | please, someone could try this https://www2.bancobrasil.com.br/aapf/login.jsp?aapf.IDH=sim and tell me if its running? |
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| 18:10.50 | c`alin | S4looks liek it ranf ine |
| 18:11.13 | xand | pardon? |
| 18:11.24 | c`alin | ah he quit |
| 18:12.28 | wisp | hey, have anybody in here successfully got obconf (openbox's configuration tool) to install/run under debian lenny/sid ? if so, please let me know how.. :) |
| 18:12.33 | liable | i thought it might have been a exploit that made you misspell |
| 18:13.46 | hark | wisp: get version 2.0.1-1 from snapshot.debian.net |
| 18:14.03 | wisp | hark: thanks |
| 18:14.06 | kenji | Guys I have squid with snmp and I wanna download the page info of "Traffic and Resource Counters" with wget. But for this I need to loggin, how can I send a user name, password, port and hostname from wget to download this info? can you give me a hand? |
| 18:15.28 | xand | kenji: see --http-user and --http-password |
| 18:15.58 | kenji | xand: where I need to see --http-user and --http-password? man wget? |
| 18:16.02 | xand | yes |
| 18:16.07 | kenji | tnks xand |
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| 18:17.16 | snowbird | i want to build or download debian router |
| 18:18.18 | xand | ? |
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| 18:19.00 | snowbird | my router went south if i can tell debian to use pppope and share its eth0 il be happy |
| 18:19.05 | lgc | Hello. Is there someone who can help me with some apt advise? |
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| 18:19.55 | wisp | hark: won't install.. says it needs libobparser16 and libobrender16, but those are not available.. :/ |
| 18:21.24 | jaydg | lgc: depends on your question |
| 18:21.47 | stoned | !ask |
| 18:21.48 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 18:23.31 | hark | wisp: the older one dosen't. have you installed openbox yet? |
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| 18:24.13 | hark | for the current obconf there was a depends added for ibobrender16 and libobparser16. |
| 18:24.38 | lgc | jaydg, thanks. I think I messed up my /var/lib/dpkg/status file by manually deleting some packages info in order to 'solve' some pesky dist-upgrade error. But what I get is: E: Encountered a section with no Package: header |
| 18:24.38 | lgc | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 18:24.38 | lgc | . Is there anything I can do to recover from it? |
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| 18:26.02 | snowbird | no updates lately guess lenny took em |
| 18:26.04 | hark | try the backup in /var/backups/ |
| 18:26.54 | lgc | hark, you talking to me? |
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| 18:28.04 | hark | yes |
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| 18:28.50 | lgc | hark, there's a dpkg.status.0 from yesterday. What should I do with it? |
| 18:29.47 | lgc | hark, and also a bit earlier aptitude.pkgstates.0. |
| 18:30.45 | hark | you can also look at /var/lib/dpkg/status-old |
| 18:31.25 | hark | if these don't work, i think there is a dselect method to recreate it using /usr/share/doc info |
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| 18:32.38 | mick_work | hi everyone, how can i reset an ldap password (slapd) for the admin? |
| 18:32.50 | mick_work | i tried: dpkg-reconfigure slapd |
| 18:32.55 | andrago | maybe anyone can help me. I'm trying to compile sancp. But it don't found pcap files, I had compiled it from source and wrote down the correct path in the Makefile |
| 18:33.16 | andrago | any tip of how can I make sancp find pcap files? |
| 18:33.25 | lgc | hark, I think you got right on the spot with the status-old file. It's from today! But just to have more info, how would I proceed with the /var/backups file? |
| 18:33.42 | lgc | hark, s/file/files/ |
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| 18:34.19 | snowbird | stoned |
| 18:34.39 | stoned | yes |
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| 18:34.52 | stoned | thats me |
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| 18:34.55 | xand | !maemo |
| 18:34.55 | dpkg | Maemo is a development platform to create applications for the Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices. http://maemo.org/ |
| 18:34.57 | snowbird | is there a package to make debian your router |
| 18:35.13 | stoned | snowbird: iptables |
| 18:35.19 | stoned | snowbird: learn about them |
| 18:35.21 | stoned | !nat |
| 18:35.21 | dpkg | [nat] configured easily with a GUI using the package guidedogipmasq or guarddog |
| 18:35.25 | stoned | hmm |
| 18:35.28 | stoned | !iptables |
| 18:35.28 | dpkg | [iptables] the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 18:35.44 | stoned | happy reading |
| 18:36.30 | snowbird | i see and put second nick in to share conection |
| 18:36.41 | Ronin | snowbird: bit more complicated then that :) |
| 18:37.12 | snowbird | hey ronin stupid router seems to got own mind |
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| 18:39.55 | seria-mau | i've patched a kernel-source with kernel-patch-badram and provided a badram option when booting my kernel of badram=0x029217cc,0xfffffffc but i still get "0k badram" when grepping dmesg output for ^Memory |
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| 18:42.33 | markrian | How ironic - apt-listbugs itself is broken, so cannot list bugs, including its own! |
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| 18:44.10 | vorpal | bootstrap problem ;-) |
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| 18:47.31 | mick_work | figured it out |
| 18:48.05 | lgc | hark, you there? |
| 18:49.10 | twobitsprite | markrian: I had a similar problem with reportbug :P |
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| 18:49.42 | twobitsprite | markrian: in fact, I ended up using reportbug to report a bug on itself :) |
| 18:50.19 | markrian | twobitsprite: hmm, it seems that this apt-listbugs bug has only appeared today too, the first day I discover it. Typical! |
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| 18:50.35 | twobitsprite | heh |
| 18:50.44 | lordrich | it's a change in debbug's soap interface |
| 18:50.56 | lordrich | http://blog.venthur.de/2007/08/10/rng-and-others-temporary-broken/ |
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| 18:52.38 | TiMiDo | hey how do i see my ipod, on which device it is, so i can mounted it before it was /dev/sdb2 but now its not working |
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| 18:52.50 | xand | TiMiDo: run dmesg after you plug it in |
| 18:53.01 | twobitsprite | TiMiDo: dmesg | tail |
| 18:53.31 | TiMiDo | sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] 156301488 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) |
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| 18:54.13 | TiMiDo | but i try to mount it but it doesn't work |
| 18:54.20 | TiMiDo | sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through sdb: sdb1 |
| 18:54.40 | TiMiDo | Aaron@darkPLANET:~$ mount: special device /dev/sdb2 does not exist |
| 18:54.40 | TiMiDo | mount: special device /dev/sdb2 does not exist |
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| 18:54.42 | mick_work | any good docs on an example openldap configuration? i have my ldif stuff done -- just want to make sure that the schema is right and that i can just put the data up |
| 18:55.07 | TiMiDo | any ideas? |
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| 18:55.37 | xand | TiMiDo: did you try sdb1? |
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| 18:55.43 | TiMiDo | yeah i did |
| 18:55.52 | xand | and what happened? |
| 18:56.00 | twobitsprite | TiMiDo: see anything of interest in fdisk -l? |
| 18:56.01 | jaydg | TiMiDo: fdisk -l /dev/sdb |
| 18:56.49 | mick_work | somehow i can not authenticate :-( |
| 18:56.49 | TiMiDo | xand: the sdb1 is my external hard drive |
| 18:56.54 | xand | oh |
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| 18:57.03 | xand | try fdisk -l |
| 18:57.07 | Anthro | I have a weird situation. I have a RAID where mdadm reports a disk as /dev/.static/dev/sdb1, but dd if=/dev/.static/dev/sdb1 of=/dev/null reports: dd: opening `/dev/.static/dev/sdb1': No such device or address. I am trying to get the drive light to flicker, since it's one of the disks in a RAID1 and the other one has failed. |
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| 18:57.18 | mick_work | ldapadd -f addressbook.ldif -x -D "cn=admin,dc=labs,dc=mycompany,dc=com" -W |
| 18:57.45 | TiMiDo | jaydg: |
| 18:57.45 | TiMiDo | jaydg: /dev/sdb1 1 9729 78148161 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 18:57.46 | mick_work | and i always have the wrong credentials (even though i used slappasswd to create a new one) |
| 18:58.03 | alex12345 | how do I restart iptables without rebooting in etch? |
| 18:58.07 | markrian | lordrich: fair enough. I'm sure the affected packages will be fixed shortly :) |
| 18:58.20 | twobitsprite | alex12345: you don't "restart" iptables, it's a kernel service |
| 18:58.39 | TiMiDo | but that's my external hard drive though. |
| 18:58.42 | alex12345 | ok.how do I undo settings? |
| 18:58.52 | twobitsprite | alex12345: check the manpage |
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| 18:59.02 | jaydg | TiMiDo: seemd like it is called sdb1 now |
| 18:59.04 | twobitsprite | alex12345: iptables -F <table> flushes a given table |
| 18:59.32 | TiMiDo | mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist |
| 19:00.02 | jaydg | TiMiDo: did you try lsusb? |
| 19:00.13 | alex12345 | if I set wrong settings for iptables I loose my internet connection iptables -F doesnt help to restore it . do I have to reboot in this case? |
| 19:00.13 | xand | TiMiDo: unplug the ipod, type dmesg, plug it back in, type dmesg again... what new stuff is mentioned? |
| 19:00.15 | TiMiDo | Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 19:00.27 | TiMiDo | that's only what it says jaydg while running lsusb |
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| 19:01.38 | jaydg | TiMiDo: strange |
| 19:01.42 | TiMiDo | yeah i know, |
| 19:01.50 | twobitsprite | alex12345: iptables -L and make sure you are accepting packets for both INPUT and OUTPUT |
| 19:01.52 | TiMiDo | Bus 004 Device 005: ID 05ac:1260 Apple Computer, Inc. |
| 19:01.56 | TiMiDo | now that's what i've get |
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| 19:02.43 | uttara | can anybody tell me how I can print the "process group id" of a process? |
| 19:02.49 | uttara | using ps |
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| 19:03.32 | jaydg | TiMiDo: now dmesg should tell you wich devecie name has been assigned to the ipod |
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| 19:04.10 | TiMiDo | scsi 10:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to dead device |
| 19:04.19 | TiMiDo | that's all i get |
| 19:04.29 | twobitsprite | uttara: did you read the manpage? |
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| 19:04.34 | XtypeWriter74 | Hi i have an Adaptec SCSI Controller and want to make a Netinstall to SCSI HDD. I just cannot seem to manage my way around in BIOS and Adaptec BIOS, I have made an HTML with links to every section of the BIOS´s ( http://picpaste.com ) could somebody give me a hand with this please ---> http://rafb.net/p/cnGqbz93.html |
| 19:05.20 | uttara | twobitsprite: Did not read it in full detail. |
| 19:06.00 | x3on | how do i completely remove gnome? I just installed xfce |
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| 19:06.06 | twobitsprite | uttara: #debian is not a manpage |
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| 19:08.24 | snowbird | use package manajour? |
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| 19:08.45 | h3sp4wn | !tell x3on about remove gnome |
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| 19:09.37 | jaydg | TiMiDo: my roommate told me that ipods tend to break after the warranty is ovew |
| 19:10.05 | Ronin | jaydg: what doesn't? |
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| 19:10.15 | h3sp4wn | My ipod (incidently I have broken it now) always appears on sd?2 |
| 19:10.22 | rob19 | how come debian installs python2.4 as well when i install python2.5? |
| 19:10.45 | jaydg | Ronin: refrigerators :) |
| 19:10.58 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.00 | h3sp4wn | rob19: things that depends on just python currently use 2.4 |
| 19:11.12 | c`alin | i never got a chance to break my ipod... it was stolen |
| 19:11.14 | snowbird | stew is what rottie eating |
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| 19:11.27 | c`alin | along with my nikon coolpix 5600 and a 1gb flash card |
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| 19:15.24 | stray_ | XtypeWriter74: mmm, not sure about 2948w, but I've only had luck with booting from a 2940u2w which loads it's bios at boot time (when it detects a drive connected to it) |
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| 19:16.18 | jaydg | has anybody ever succeeded booting etch from a sata (fake) raid? |
| 19:16.42 | epsilon2 | fake raid? |
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| 19:17.35 | jaydg | epsilon2: software raid provided by the sata bios |
| 19:17.38 | XtypeWriter74 | stray_, i´ve installed it to the SCSI HDD, but i get an grub error each time i try to boot |
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| 19:19.19 | stray_ | XtypeWriter74: not sure how, but the aha has to be supported by the initrd to see the board/drive. |
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| 19:20.26 | epsilon2 | jaydg, would depend on support of your controller - if unsure, use soft-raid |
| 19:20.30 | EmleyMoor | GRUB seems to be giving me problems - if I add an additional disk, it just repeats "GRUB GRUB Loading stage1.5." when I try to boot (from the one I always had). This does not make any sense. Why would it be doing that? |
| 19:20.36 | XtypeWriter74 | stray_, ok thanx for lookin ;) |
| 19:21.40 | XtypeWriter74 | stray_, yes!! i got it goin!! |
| 19:21.53 | stray_ | yaaay! |
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| 19:22.53 | XtypeWriter74 | :D i had C8000-CBFFF Shadow enabled , i switched off an there we go ;D |
| 19:23.23 | jaydg | epsilon2: soft-raid on a production system looks evil to me, is it really reliable? |
| 19:23.32 | spheard | how do I do a find and replace with vim? |
| 19:23.53 | epsilon2 | excuse me? A chipset-RAID on a procustion system? |
| 19:24.03 | epsilon2 | THAT'S evil |
| 19:24.22 | mavhk | I'd rather use soft raid than hard raid |
| 19:24.39 | spheard | semi raid? |
| 19:24.46 | epsilon2 | once your mainbard is fucked up and you have to replace it -> raid blows away incl all data |
| 19:24.55 | xand | mdadm raid is fine |
| 19:26.10 | EmleyMoor | When I add an additional disk (without disturbing my original one in any way), when I try to boot, the message "GRUB GRUB Loading stage1.5." repeats ad infinitum - why would that happen and what do I do about it? |
| 19:26.18 | mavhk | raid just moves the single point of failure to the raid card |
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| 19:26.36 | mavhk | all my hardware raid based servers have failed due to raid |
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| 19:26.56 | jelly | mavhk: you had raid contollers failures? |
| 19:26.59 | twobitsprite | spheard: ":%s/<find>/<replace>/g" check out ":help" |
| 19:27.17 | spheard | twobitsprite: ta |
| 19:27.23 | jaydg | nothing is perfect. i think it's the best to buy an expensive raid card one can find on ebay after years.. |
| 19:27.41 | mavhk | and when your raid fails how do you recover the data? |
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| 19:28.02 | jelly | restore from backups |
| 19:28.16 | EmleyMoor | Would trying the second disk on a different channel help? |
| 19:28.22 | jaydg | jelly: which backups? |
| 19:28.34 | jelly | jaydg: hah! |
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| 19:29.01 | twobitsprite | spheard: http://www.semicomplete.com/presentations/vim/#slide_0 |
| 19:29.13 | jaydg | jelly: from my experience backups alway are fine except when you relly need them.. |
| 19:29.27 | jelly | jaydg: schedule test restores. |
| 19:29.40 | mavhk | how do you test if your backups work? |
| 19:29.47 | jelly | ... that's an advice I should take myself, really |
| 19:30.23 | jelly | mavhk: restore to some other machine, or at least verify the media |
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| 19:30.33 | EmleyMoor | Well, in the absence of an answer I am going to try it |
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| 19:30.44 | mavhk | I suppose today I'd restore to a VM |
| 19:31.36 | jaydg | tape backups are slow, tapes can break |
| 19:31.40 | jaydg | backups on different servers fail with the net or the other server |
| 19:32.01 | jaydg | cds/dvds are too unreliable |
| 19:32.21 | jelly | jaydg: are you trying to solve the problem, or just complaining/ |
| 19:32.47 | jaydg | jelly: i'm sharing my experiences :) |
| 19:32.48 | jelly | jaydg: my tape drives can push 60MB/s |
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| 19:33.03 | mavhk | I'm going to backup to 4 external harddrives, 1 local, 3 remote |
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| 19:33.12 | jelly | jaydg: and the media is ok if it lives thru the first write. |
| 19:34.15 | jelly | jaydg: I get 1-2 bad tapes from a batch of 30. LTO2. |
| 19:34.23 | jaydg | jelly: last tapes i've used were dlt and dat and both were unsatisfying |
| 19:34.53 | Artimus | I just did a fresh install of stable & upgraded to unstable. I setup alsa, started the alsa init script. I'm missing the /dev/sound folder and any device nodes in it. Is there a way to create them? Otherwise, I need to wait for a new kernel to build (probably an hour long thing, I'd like music while it builds) |
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| 19:35.01 | S4nD3r | hi there |
| 19:35.04 | S4nD3r | just a question |
| 19:35.16 | S4nD3r | Id like to install an antivirus in my etch box |
| 19:35.17 | slidesinger | is there anyway to use a kernel off a cd or floppy and use the root on my HDD? |
| 19:35.19 | mavhk | but how much do you have to pay for a tape backup system that doesn't suck? |
| 19:35.22 | S4nD3r | which do you recommend? |
| 19:35.25 | Artimus | slidesinger: clamav |
| 19:35.53 | tokyoeye | :jaydg |
| 19:36.02 | jelly | jaydg: it helps if you have a clean server room. a dat drive used in a smoking environment was completely unusable, but the same model worked decently in another location |
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| 19:36.18 | mavhk | another reason smokers should all be shot |
| 19:36.43 | pingouin_ | mavhk: nice way of thinking |
| 19:36.52 | jelly | mavhk: can't shoot the students, apparently it's not legal |
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| 19:37.04 | mavhk | just wait until my new world order |
| 19:37.05 | pingouin_ | mavhk: after smokers, let's shot all those people with bear and long hairs |
| 19:37.15 | twobitsprite | mavhk: eh? |
| 19:37.28 | ijuz | pingouin: BSD users? ;) |
| 19:37.35 | pingouin_ | mavhk: then...maybe the black ? or why not the chinese people... |
| 19:37.42 | jelly | pingouin: bear? |
| 19:37.55 | pingouin_ | mavhk: at least, let's kill all those gay people |
| 19:38.01 | pingouin_ | s/bear/beard |
| 19:38.06 | mavhk | pingouin: no, just people who choose to do things |
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| 19:38.18 | pingouin_ | mavhk: finaly, jew ? |
| 19:38.23 | h3sp4wn | !tell pingouin_ about gay |
| 19:38.32 | stoned | I am very gay |
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| 19:38.36 | stoned | today is half day |
| 19:38.37 | mavhk | well yes, and the jews, obviously |
| 19:38.39 | stoned | :D |
| 19:38.46 | stoned | i get to go home early |
| 19:38.48 | jelly | and the wasps. |
| 19:38.52 | stoned | yabba dabba gay ol' time |
| 19:38.53 | stoned | :D |
| 19:39.11 | jelly | and three clowns. |
| 19:39.37 | mavhk | wasps are useful |
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| 19:39.52 | jelly | mavhk: wasps as in WASPs |
| 19:39.53 | pingouin_ | yeah, not the others |
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| 19:40.53 | jelly | twobitsprite: we're discussing backup reliability |
| 19:41.01 | jaydg | jelly: one problem i had with dat tapes was that they are so tiny and breakable. press eject on the drive, loose patience after a while, come back whe the drive has ejected the tape and it crashed on the floor |
| 19:41.02 | twobitsprite | heh, funny. my client says I'm in #debian, must be some kind of glitch |
| 19:41.15 | twobitsprite | jelly: ahh... now it make perfect sense :P |
| 19:41.20 | jelly | jaydg: dude, take care! |
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| 19:41.25 | xahl | hi |
| 19:41.31 | jelly | jaydg: also, rewind in advance. |
| 19:41.45 | xahl | I have an intel i810 integrated graphics chipset and an ATi radeon PCI video card. I want to use the ATi card |
| 19:42.07 | xahl | how would I go about figuring out the PCI ID or whatever it is I need to get it working with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 19:42.13 | ^NaTacHa^ | disable the intergradet one |
| 19:42.25 | xahl | I can't disable it. I can set the default card to the PCI one |
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| 19:42.48 | xahl | when I reconfigured my xorg.conf and put the ati driver as the driver to use, it failed |
| 19:42.58 | jelly | xahl: what does lspci |grep VGA say? |
| 19:43.18 | xahl | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) |
| 19:43.21 | xahl | 02:09.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] (rev 01) |
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| 19:43.27 | xahl | would the 02:09.0 be the address? |
| 19:43.52 | jorgp | that is the pci location |
| 19:43.53 | jelly | xahl: 2:9:0 is the correct syntax for xorg.conf I think |
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| 19:44.11 | pingouin_ | h3sp4wn: by the way, there was no offence in the word i use. I know others more offensive |
| 19:44.13 | xahl | ok, one second let me try it |
| 19:44.28 | cargohold | I wote for Lorez to grow up and not be making freenode go down on his own |
| 19:44.37 | h3sp4wn | pingouin_: I don't care but I think facist talk is offensive and not remotely funny |
| 19:44.53 | pingouin_ | h3sp4wn: so read back |
| 19:44.54 | cargohold | Damn the kidz these days, all full of hope and attitude :P |
| 19:45.03 | pingouin_ | h3sp4wn: you miss stuffs i guess |
| 19:45.47 | jelly | h3sp4wn: there was nothing fascist in the remarks above. |
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| 19:46.07 | LoRez | cargohold: stop trolling. |
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| 19:46.34 | jelly | LoRez: wtf was that all about? |
| 19:46.53 | jaydg | jelly: that's what i'm talking about - tapes take too much time for everything and nned too much care. |
| 19:47.04 | cargohold | Now, how can i get you to really use your brain. "You fucking crazy moron" .. there, maybe now your cells can be jumpstarted in order for you to join the real situations |
| 19:47.07 | h3sp4wn | jelly: / pingouin_ - gorget it |
| 19:47.11 | h3sp4wn | forget it |
| 19:47.31 | LoRez | jelly: he got removed from #freenode for his language and is now trolling me. |
| 19:47.31 | cargohold | :) |
| 19:47.31 | pingouin_ | forgive but not forget ;) |
| 19:47.37 | jelly | LoRez: thanks |
| 19:47.37 | ion_bidon | hello; I'm running debian testing with linux kernel 2.6.21-2-amd64. Why I don't have *hiddev* in /dev ? I only have it in /dev/.static/... |
| 19:47.51 | mavhk | and if you want to do a full restore from a tape, takes ages, esp when you have to index them all first because the index was on the harddrive that died |
| 19:48.03 | cargohold | LoRez: Dont worry, i dont dislike you at all.. we just code dude |
| 19:48.17 | cargohold | Slimy twofaced liar |
| 19:48.18 | jelly | cargohold: please keep to the topic |
| 19:48.19 | cargohold | :) |
| 19:48.22 | cargohold | k |
| 19:49.33 | jelly | jaydg: well, we couldn't live without them here as $ISP, we have TB of data to store somewhere daily |
| 19:49.47 | rob19 | can libapache2-mod-python use python2.5? it seems to only install using python2.4 even with 2.4/2.5 installed and 2.5 set as the default |
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| 19:50.10 | namit | anyone know how to find out what kind of wireless card i have in my machine? |
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| 19:50.31 | cargohold | So, i think ill arrange a gathering at akamai later tonight takeout, laters with the LoRezMoboFooDronez |
| 19:50.32 | xand | namit: lspci? |
| 19:50.42 | jelly | jaydg: and tapes archive much better than cheap ATA drives. I wonder if an ATA drive would spin up after sitting somewhere for 2 or 5 years |
| 19:50.54 | jaydg | jelly: we at $ISP do it the hard way - in our term customers are responsible for their data |
| 19:51.01 | mavhk | archive, yes, backup, no |
| 19:51.28 | teclo | Hello, I'm having something weird with apt-get and aptitude... apt-get upgrade says there is nothing to upgrade, but aptitude upgrade says it will remove 255 unused packages for a total of 365 MB ... what is going on ? This is Debian 4.0 |
| 19:51.41 | jelly | jaydg: ah, but then you can't make them pay for you to restore their mysql/php sites! :-) |
| 19:51.50 | jaydg | backups are really hard with ever-chaning data like mail spools |
| 19:52.03 | h3sp4wn | teclo: Don't mix apt-get and aptitude - use one or the othere |
| 19:52.04 | jaydg | jelly: yes we can :) |
| 19:52.05 | jelly | jaydg: Maildir ftw |
| 19:52.33 | h3sp4wn | teclo: you can use aptitude unmarkauto package |
| 19:52.43 | h3sp4wn | teclo: (so it doesn't remove what you want to keep) |
| 19:52.54 | teclo | h3sp4wn: for 225 packages ? |
| 19:53.17 | h3sp4wn | teclo: well no - just for the ones you actually want |
| 19:53.33 | h3sp4wn | teclo: chances are alot of them are dependancies - they can stay on auto |
| 19:53.34 | tokyoeye | jelly, i use ahsay to backup abount 400 linux machines on a scsi chasis. pretty solid and secure. simple java client installation and nice web interface. you might give it a try. |
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| 19:53.59 | jelly | tokyoeye: which software? |
| 19:54.03 | twobitsprite | cron+tar ftw |
| 19:54.03 | tokyoeye | ahsay |
| 19:54.14 | jelly | I say! |
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| 19:54.27 | tokyoeye | jelly, www.ahsay.com |
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| 19:55.16 | john_titor | how can i install nvidia drivers on debian |
| 19:55.31 | john_titor | the envy program works? |
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| 19:55.45 | remi___ | hi all |
| 19:55.46 | xand | !nvidia |
| 19:55.47 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 19:56.13 | remi___ | can anyone remind me how to have the grub/menu.lst please ? |
| 19:56.18 | remi___ | !grub |
| 19:56.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler.. NOT recommendend with XFS, or ask me about <grub dvorak>. |
| 19:56.36 | jelly | tokyoeye: we're planning to use a SATA box with some decent capacity to keep at least a month of data online |
| 19:57.10 | kenji | some one here know something about squid and snmp? |
| 19:57.27 | john_titor | THX! |
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| 19:57.54 | kenji | can you give me a hand? |
| 19:58.31 | teclo | you want a handjob kenji ? |
| 19:58.44 | teclo | this isn't really the place to ask for that - this isn't a brothel or something |
| 19:58.45 | kenji | jajaja teclo if you want yes xD |
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| 19:59.04 | kenji | teclo I need help with squid and snmp |
| 19:59.06 | jaydg | jelly: we're still with sendmail and mbox.. |
| 19:59.27 | enouf | remi___: info http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm |
| 19:59.29 | kenji | teclo thats why Im asking for a hand, Im asking for some help |
| 19:59.41 | jelly | jaydg: I won't say which MTA we use, but Maildir is really good for incremental level backups. |
| 20:00.10 | jelly | *cough*djb wrote it*cough* |
| 20:00.12 | tokyoeye | jelly, check out backuppc. it's free, very easy to use (rsync over ssh) has a great interface. |
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| 20:00.18 | jaydg | jelly: i relly do belive you unfortunately i'm not the one to decide.. |
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| 20:00.59 | jelly | tokyoeye: the system needs to be able to handle 200-500M files. |
| 20:01.16 | remi___ | enouf, i was talking about a command line that was recreating the grub/menu.lst from scratch automagically with available kernels |
| 20:01.18 | tokyoeye | jelly, easy |
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| 20:01.31 | tokyoeye | jelly, it's even in the debian repos |
| 20:01.36 | enouf | remi___: update-grub |
| 20:01.37 | jorgp | can someone please ssh to computerworks.selfip.com and see if it works |
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| 20:01.42 | jelly | tokyoeye: wow, I have to see their index database solution |
| 20:01.58 | enouf | !update-grub |
| 20:01.59 | dpkg | from memory, update-grub is a magical Debian system for maintaining the grub menu automatically whenever kernel images are installed and removed (assuming they are built using make-kpkg as they should be). |
| 20:02.48 | remi___ | enouf, thanks, trying |
| 20:03.12 | jelly | jorgp: it looks like it does |
| 20:03.24 | tokyoeye | jelly, backuppc can be configured to run rsync over ssh. it's all open source perl code and is really easy to configure. for instance if you want to run a mysqldump of postgresql-whatever before makeing the backup it's just a small command line away. very flexible |
| 20:03.25 | jorgp | jelly: thanks |
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| 20:03.34 | andyp_ | hi |
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| 20:04.20 | andyp_ | how can i check if my processor supports SSE2 or SSE3 i |
| 20:04.41 | tokyoeye | andyp_, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:04.45 | jelly | andyp_: look at the flags line in there |
| 20:05.20 | enouf | remi___: also might want to man kernel-img.conf, and have a look in at docs, especially zless /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
| 20:05.21 | andyp_ | tokyoeye: thanks |
| 20:05.31 | andyp_ | jelly: thanks |
| 20:05.34 | remi___ | enouf, ok, perfect |
| 20:05.42 | jelly | tokyoeye: ssh is too much overhead, but it probably can do something easier :-) |
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| 20:08.09 | andyp_ | jelly: its got sse and sse2 if i want to enable sse3 then do I need a patch or? |
| 20:08.44 | jelly | andyp_: if it's not there, that's it. |
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| 20:09.02 | jelly | andyp_: buy a CPU that supports it |
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| 20:09.04 | andyp_ | jelly: its ok sse2 is there |
| 20:09.06 | simonrvn | andyp_: it detects what the cpu has |
| 20:09.07 | nootoyahora | hello to everyone |
| 20:09.19 | simonrvn | that simple |
| 20:09.24 | h3sp4wn | andyp_: Is it an amd ? |
| 20:09.33 | simonrvn | nootoyahora: you really want 700+ replies? ;) |
| 20:09.44 | andyp_ | soory for my ignorance what does sse stand for? |
| 20:09.50 | nootoyahora | simonrvn, of course yes ;D |
| 20:09.51 | h3sp4wn | andyp_: if it is then sse3 is emulated using sse2 so its purposly ommited |
| 20:10.03 | h3sp4wn | andyp_: i.e its faster to use sse2 |
| 20:10.23 | nootoyahora | I'm ousing testing, yesterday night I apt-get update &dist-upgraded my debian, and the "debian menu" in the gnome-panel applications is gone... what can I do? somebody's knows? |
| 20:10.24 | andyp_ | h3sp4wn: its an intel |
| 20:10.37 | h3sp4wn | andyp_: what chip ? |
| 20:10.52 | jelly | andyp_: also, why does it matter to you? |
| 20:11.02 | simonrvn | nootoyahora: yes, it's intentional, and you can re-enable it |
| 20:11.17 | tokyoeye | jelly, ssh will probably not cause much overload. the main issue with backups is usually i/o. even a very basic machine will be able to handle ssh/rsync very well. to improve safety ssh is obvisouly the way to go. just make sure the backup server is as save as it can be.... |
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| 20:11.35 | nootoyahora | simonrvn, oh lord, somebody who knows! aawhere can I read about it? (or if you're so kind to explian...) |
| 20:12.02 | simonrvn | the gnome menu editor |
| 20:12.08 | jelly | tokyoeye: pushing 20-30MB thru ssh uses nontrivial cpu time :-| |
| 20:12.13 | h3sp4wn | tokyoeye: Why not just use a private backup network (that is what I have always done) no encryption needed |
| 20:12.16 | simonrvn | it has checkboxes, you click the ones you want |
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| 20:12.28 | jelly | h3sp4wn: that what we have too, but hush! |
| 20:12.30 | nootoyahora | simonrvn, I check it right now... |
| 20:12.36 | andyp_ | jelly: well since you ask i am thinking of useing OSX just to take a look i have arch X86 |
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| 20:12.51 | simonrvn | 'using' |
| 20:13.26 | andyp_ | simonrvn: taking a look thats all |
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| 20:14.00 | jelly | andyp_: I thought OSX is supported on dedicated hardware only (and was not Debian)? |
| 20:14.00 | simonrvn | i know.. i was correcting your spelling of 'using' |
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| 20:14.11 | tokyoeye | h3sp4wn, i agree but if you do not have a situation like that it would probably be wise to use encryption |
| 20:14.25 | tokyoeye | jelly, 20-30mb is easy |
| 20:14.32 | andyp_ | jelly: yes thats correct but with vmware it can work |
| 20:14.43 | nootoyahora | simonrvn, er.. where can I find the gnome menu editor? |
| 20:14.46 | xand | andyp_: but nothing to do with debian whatsoever |
| 20:15.01 | svref | SigI'm lost. How is one supposed to get peripheral X to work with Debian Etch? |
| 20:15.02 | jelly | !find bin/vmware |
| 20:15.14 | svref | Sigh. I'm lost. How is one supposed to get peripheral X to work with Debian Etch? |
| 20:15.33 | andyp_ | xand: ok point taken but i did learn how to check my cpu info |
| 20:15.37 | xand | svref: that depends what "X" is. |
| 20:16.07 | tokyoeye | h3sp4wn, what backup software do you use? |
| 20:16.14 | svref | xand: X in my case is currently the scanner and sound, both of which worked under Sarge, but broke on upgrade. |
| 20:16.39 | svref | xand: used to be I'd google, say, "Debian sound howto", and that'd get me started. |
| 20:16.39 | xand | my debian server at work is backed up to tape using NetVault on win2k3 c.c |
| 20:17.02 | svref | xand: but I'm not having much luck with that in Etch, for whatever reason. |
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| 20:17.14 | xand | !sound |
| 20:17.14 | dpkg | from memory, sound is ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://wiki.debian.org/UseSoundCard |
| 20:17.40 | xand | that reminds me, i should see if my scanner'll work in etch... only used it in windows c.c |
| 20:17.48 | simonrvn | nootoyahora: it might not be installed, just search for it and install it if it's not there. called something like gnome-menu-editor or something |
| 20:17.54 | andyp_ | what is the commamd to remove an installed dpkg package i used dpkg to install it i tried -r and -P i wonder if --purge might work |
| 20:18.04 | nootoyahora | simonrvn, ok, let's see |
| 20:18.08 | svref | dpkg: alsachecklist |
| 20:18.40 | svref | !alsachecklist |
| 20:18.45 | xand | andyp_: -r? |
| 20:18.57 | xand | !alsa checklist |
| 20:18.57 | dpkg | well, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 20:19.17 | andyp_ | xand: sorry r and P? |
| 20:19.49 | xand | andyp_: -r = remove, -P = purge |
| 20:19.55 | xand | purge removes config files |
| 20:20.56 | andyp_ | xand: ok thanks I tried both of them they did not work |
| 20:21.06 | xand | !doesn't work |
| 20:21.07 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 20:22.33 | andyp_ | dpkg; well your not from the us that for sure, i like the it |
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| 20:23.13 | xand | dpkg is a bot... |
| 20:23.25 | xand | and I believe is from the US. |
| 20:23.35 | tokyoeye | does anyone know of a tool to keep a lot of debian machines up-to-date or to check their current patch-level? |
| 20:23.35 | snowbird | what is easy torent |
| 20:23.47 | c`alin | snowbird: a program |
| 20:23.49 | andyp_ | almost an english smear, anything is possible |
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| 20:24.24 | snowbird | i need a bit torrent that does not need firewall port opened |
| 20:24.31 | andyp_ | xand: any ideas re trying --purge |
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| 20:24.49 | xand | andyp_: what's the exact problem? |
| 20:24.51 | tokyoeye | i could probably hack some nice perl script to run ssh certain commands on all machines but i was wondering if someone has already done this. |
| 20:24.53 | WizCraker | how do I find my network connection information form the command line? I tried ifconfig but it just says command not found. |
| 20:25.00 | c`alin | snowbird: you don't NEED to open ports, but it's nice to do it because it allows peopel to download form you |
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| 20:25.05 | Blissex | tokyoeye: look for ''distributed shell''. |
| 20:25.05 | c`alin | snowbird: i use bittornado |
| 20:25.06 | xand | WizCraker: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 20:25.24 | c`alin | snowbird: good luck finding anythign fast without opening ports |
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| 20:26.24 | tokyoeye | Blackgoth, thanks. seems a lot like cluster ssh |
| 20:26.37 | snowbird | how do u open ports |
| 20:26.59 | c`alin | snowbird: not sure what you are using to close them as a "firewall" google it |
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| 20:27.16 | snowbird | tried google read there guard dog |
| 20:27.41 | andyp_ | xand: what i did was aptitude -i bittorrent_5_0_8_python2.4.deb tried -r and -P but will not remove |
| 20:27.51 | andyp_ | dpkg |
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| 20:29.46 | tokyoeye | uhm Blissex, thanks |
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| 20:30.45 | WizCraker | xand: thanks :) |
| 20:30.46 | xand | andyp_: what? did you dpkg or aptitude? |
| 20:30.51 | kenji | guys Im trying this root@www:~# squidclient mgr:info but is not working |
| 20:30.51 | xand | +use |
| 20:30.55 | kenji | can you help me? |
| 20:31.21 | andyp_ | xand: sorry dpkg |
| 20:31.32 | simonrvn | dpkg is a bot... |
| 20:31.40 | xand | andyp_: what's the error message? |
| 20:31.45 | xand | simonrvn: wrong dpkg. |
| 20:31.54 | simonrvn | hehe ok :) |
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| 20:32.33 | nootoyahora | simonrvn, I have found the gmenu-simple-editor, and it appears to be a menu editor... but it cannot help me... It is not that the entries from the "debian menu" are lost, noeepe, is the whole "debian menu" which i slost (there no "debian menu") yuo have said that it is a feature... are you sure? where can i read more about this? or what can i do? ( I cannot check anything to make the debina moenu... and I have yet run update-menus from a |
| 20:32.33 | nootoyahora | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.10 | simonrvn | nootoyahora: run it as your user too |
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| 20:33.11 | kenji | guys Im trying this root@www:~# squidclient mgr:info but is not working, can you help me? http://rafb.net/p/i3s7fS71.html |
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| 20:33.32 | wrs | Hi |
| 20:33.41 | nootoyahora | simonrvn, done too, that's what I id last night, and I log out from my session.. .I have even rebooted my computer ;D |
| 20:33.41 | wrs | Anybody here who can help with kde? |
| 20:33.47 | xand | !anyone |
| 20:33.47 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 20:34.47 | andyp_ | xand: "dpkg: you must specify packages by there own names, not by quoting the names of the files they come in. " this message was for both the -r and -P commands |
| 20:34.51 | wrs | xand: the quesion is where the heck the kde wallet manager is in Etch. In the previous version it was in the tray, but now I cannot find it anymore |
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| 20:35.32 | xand | wrs: I have no idea, I don't use kde |
| 20:35.44 | wrs | so, *anone* else? ;-) |
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| 20:36.13 | xand | andyp_: it means you need to specify the name of the package which is not the filename of the .deb |
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| 20:37.02 | wrs | It's just not the greatest thing on earth to give the passwd mgr a word and then render unable to withdraw it... |
| 20:37.04 | andyp_ | xand: a clue |
| 20:37.10 | kenji | how can I do a loop with for in bash? |
| 20:37.32 | xand | andyp_: dpkg -I file.deb then look for "Package:" to get the name. |
| 20:38.06 | xand | kenji: for i in 1 2 3; do echo $i; done |
| 20:39.26 | nootoyahora | simonrvn, I have seen that this is checked as a bug... do you use testing? or stable? |
| 20:39.35 | simonrvn | neither |
| 20:39.41 | nootoyahora | simonrvn, sid? |
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| 20:40.21 | andyp_ | xand: thankyou |
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| 20:40.46 | Deepa | How do I see the real size of a folder? |
| 20:40.59 | Deepa | I'm sure it's bigger then 4096b |
| 20:41.08 | nootoyahora | Deepa, du -h |
| 20:41.24 | nootoyahora | Deepa, d(isk) u(sage) |
| 20:41.30 | Deepa | 42GB |
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| 20:41.42 | Deepa | yup, half of my previous HDD in a a folder :/ |
| 20:42.10 | nootoyahora | Deepa, amule? xD |
| 20:42.15 | Deepa | amule? |
| 20:42.16 | xand | !folder |
| 20:42.16 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 20:42.16 | xand | :) |
| 20:42.38 | Deepa | directory* |
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| 20:43.05 | K-Ryan | Do I need something special in order to get .wav files working? |
| 20:43.20 | Deepa | a media player? |
| 20:43.25 | thedonvaughn | speakers and a sound card |
| 20:43.29 | K-Ryan | I'm running something in Wine and they aren't working, so I figured I'd ask here and there. |
| 20:44.00 | K-Ryan | So it's not Debian, didn't think it would be. Thanks |
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| 20:44.04 | andyp_ | i have a doamin name and when i installed etch I gave that domin name which is now parked else whereat the time i had a ststic ip address now its allocated by dhcp and stays for about two weeks or so i suppose there is no point in pointing my domain to a dhcp IP address |
| 20:44.23 | xand | andyp_: use dyndns or something? |
| 20:44.36 | simonrvn | andyp_: dynamic dns/ you can do it at home, or with a 3rd party |
| 20:44.54 | andyp_ | xand: thanks |
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| 20:45.08 | andyp_ | simonrvn: ok thanks |
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| 20:49.11 | andyp_ | if i have file that has a .zip extension is the package i need called unzip? |
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| 20:49.46 | VaLouille | andyp_: if for .rar it's unrar, for .zip it's unzip |
| 20:50.03 | drwahl | i have ~6k mp3s. what are the pros and cons to having all those files in a single folder, vs having recursive folders? from a linux/file system standpoint? |
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| 20:50.42 | LaptopBrain | hi, someone mind telling me if a user is messing me around? I am a developer for a program in gentoo portage, and someone has submitted a bug report to my tracker saying they get a segfault. however i asked for more info, and they said their version is the current from gentoo ports but their gcc -v says: "gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)" ... debian branding on gentoo is NOT possible, and theyre having a joke, right? |
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| 20:52.04 | dondelelcaro | LaptopBrain: who knows? they could have shoved in a debian version of gcc onto their gentoo system. |
| 20:52.34 | eeyore- | howdy |
| 20:53.07 | tokyoeye | LaptopBrain, on etch standard gcc: gcc -v <snip> gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21) |
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| 20:54.05 | snowbird | ktorent self opens ports |
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| 20:55.17 | tokyoeye | LaptopBrain, on 3.1: gcc -v <snip> gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13) |
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| 20:57.14 | stoned | sweet |
| 20:57.16 | stoned | im going home |
| 20:57.21 | nvz | hah |
| 20:57.26 | stoned | i got an onsite job tomoorow |
| 20:57.36 | stoned | boss is jewish he can't do business of any kind on saturday |
| 20:57.40 | nvz | I'm leaving home how about that |
| 20:57.42 | stoned | he said, go do this job, keep all the money |
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| 20:57.53 | stoned | my boss is the shiz |
| 20:57.58 | c`alin | stoned: that's hella |
| 20:58.07 | stoned | and how people say stupid shit about jews, i will never understand |
| 20:58.17 | stoned | first jewish guy i EVER dealt with in my life, my boss, and great guyy |
| 20:58.19 | stoned | just great |
| 20:58.38 | c`alin | they say stupid shit because they base their knowledge off stereotypes |
| 20:58.43 | LaptopBrain | tokyoeye, dondelelcaro thanks |
| 20:58.50 | stoned | home time |
| 20:58.50 | stoned | bye |
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| 21:00.22 | dondelelcaro | LaptopBrain: np |
| 21:01.38 | snowbird | stoned u nice fella |
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| 21:02.10 | eeyore- | stoned: whatcha have to do tomorrow? |
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| 21:03.20 | xlotlu | i use wpa_supplicant in roaming config, and the iface set to allow-hotplug. if i do ifdown on the wireless interface, it comes back up by itself after a while -- how can i prevent that? |
| 21:03.47 | snowbird | no stew today |
| 21:03.58 | snowbird | peacfull today no work here today |
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| 21:04.56 | drwahl | i have ~6k mp3s. what are the pros and cons to having all those files in a single folder, vs having recursive folders? from a linux/file system standpoint? |
| 21:05.47 | c`alin | drwahl: if you put them all in one folder you have absoltuely no organization, and that's lame. other than that, loading data/displaying ~6k files at once in a browser or file browser is a total bitch |
| 21:06.03 | c`alin | drwahl: i suggest using organized folders |
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| 21:06.34 | c`alin | drwahl: a nick structure is Artist/Album/Track## - Title.<ext> |
| 21:06.34 | drwahl | c`alin: ok, thats what i was wondering, thanks |
| 21:06.39 | c`alin | nice* |
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| 21:07.04 | mavhk | depends if you use your music player to organise them, or the filesystem |
| 21:07.17 | mavhk | or a search system |
| 21:07.21 | drwahl | i usually have my music player organize them |
| 21:07.28 | drwahl | and 90% of them are tagged correctly |
| 21:08.04 | drwahl | and they are named as"Artist - Title.mp3" |
| 21:08.08 | ion_bidon | I've just rebuild the 2.6.21 kernel for my laptop but I have a kernel panic VFS unknown block on (0,0); I have used make-kpkg kernel_image --initrd |
| 21:08.15 | ion_bidon | what am I doing wrong ? |
| 21:08.33 | ion_bidon | the interesting part is that the official debian unstable kernel works |
| 21:08.49 | mavhk | so the only 2 thoughts are: speed of access of the files in the filesystem, and speed of access via a UI |
| 21:08.52 | ion_bidon | debian testing, sorry |
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| 21:09.45 | drwahl | mavhk: does that mean that the files will be accessed quicker if they are in folders/ |
| 21:09.50 | drwahl | ? |
| 21:10.08 | mavhk | no idea, probably depends on the filesystem |
| 21:10.25 | mavhk | and how much ram is free |
| 21:10.26 | drwahl | hmm... need to read up on ext3 then :) bbl |
| 21:10.41 | mavhk | it's only going to be millisecond differences anyway |
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| 21:12.07 | john_titor | hi i did all the wiki steps for nvidia configuration and did not works... what else can i do |
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| 21:13.37 | john_titor | the envy program works for debian? |
| 21:13.58 | zinx | !tell john_titor about nvidia one-liner |
| 21:13.58 | simonrvn | ion_bidon: didn't include support for your ide hardware bus or root (/) filesystem... |
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| 21:14.22 | ion_bidon | simonrvn: I have found the problem. I forgot the initrd line in grub configuration in menu.lst |
| 21:14.29 | simonrvn | or that :) |
| 21:14.32 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 21:14.53 | ion_bidon | youpi :) |
| 21:15.09 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 21:19.12 | S4nD3r | Id like to create PDF files from my webbrowser, what I need to install? |
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| 21:19.33 | snowbird | ahh hold up drink for bot |
| 21:19.52 | p0g0 | samba has a pdf print driver |
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| 21:19.58 | Haris | Hello folks |
| 21:20.24 | Haris | How would I find ^M in a text file in vi on debian? Would I search for ^M or \^M or something else? |
| 21:20.29 | S4nD3r | samba? |
| 21:20.34 | S4nD3r | How to install it ? |
| 21:20.38 | Haris | It seems Enter has been replaced with ^M all over the file |
| 21:20.59 | Haris | and no matter what I search for I can't get vi to find the massive ammount of ^M showing up in the file |
| 21:21.18 | h3sp4wn | Haris: loaded the file into a windows machine ? |
| 21:21.27 | p0g0 | S4nD3r: you might need to read a bit, it's an implementation of SMB networking |
| 21:21.32 | Haris | h3sp4wn: Not me, but I have to fix it |
| 21:21.52 | S4nD3r | But I will use it locally |
| 21:21.53 | simonrvn | Haris: do ^v then <enter> in your search pattern, like: :%s,(press control-v here then press enter),,g |
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| 21:22.19 | simonrvn | Haris: or use dos2unix on the file |
| 21:22.21 | h3sp4wn | Haris: try - perl -pi.bak -e 's/\r\n$/\n/' file |
| 21:22.49 | Haris | simonrvn: B|ngo, I think this is the thing I forgot |
| 21:22.59 | Lorvija | hey.. what would be best way to backup mysql db across network and/or to another disk? |
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| 21:23.05 | Haris | Unfortunately its not on the server |
| 21:23.07 | h3sp4wn | !dos2unix |
| 21:23.07 | dpkg | dos2unix is in the sysutils package; or you could use col, recode, fromdos (in the package tofrodos), flip, tr -d '\r', or even perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' |
| 21:23.33 | Haris | This is debian 3.1. does debian have it somewhere in the package list? |
| 21:23.50 | Haris | hmm |
| 21:24.04 | simonrvn | you know, you should upgrade ASAP |
| 21:24.14 | simonrvn | sarge won't be supported for much longer |
| 21:24.46 | Hoxzer | :O |
| 21:24.53 | Hoxzer | Sarge is baad :< |
| 21:25.00 | Haris | I'll notify the owner |
| 21:25.05 | Hoxzer | I personally have no love to stable |
| 21:25.10 | Hoxzer | too old packages |
| 21:25.12 | Haris | perl -pi.bak -e 's/\r\n$/\n/' file <- doesn't work |
| 21:25.42 | Haris | How do I install dos2unix from sysutils package? |
| 21:25.47 | h3sp4wn | That is what I used - try one of the other ways |
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| 21:28.00 | S4nD3r | xprint I think solves ! |
| 21:28.54 | streuner | !dos2unix |
| 21:28.54 | dpkg | dos2unix is in the sysutils package; or you could use col, recode, fromdos (in the package tofrodos), flip, tr -d '\r', or even perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' |
| 21:29.19 | Haris | Nope, none of them is working |
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| 21:29.39 | streuner | !factinfo dos2unix |
| 21:29.40 | dpkg | dos2unix -- last modified at Mon May 9 19:02:51 2005 by simonrvn!simon@simonrvn.user; it has been requested 68 times, last by streuner, 46s ago. |
| 21:29.45 | streuner | haha |
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| 21:30.06 | streuner | simonrvn: your turn ;-) |
| 21:30.10 | Haris | How! exactly do I install it? |
| 21:30.21 | snowbird | how i update my java |
| 21:30.29 | Haris | Correction: the english would be -> HOW exactly do I install it? |
| 21:30.49 | streuner | well, how did you install JAVA at all? |
| 21:30.58 | Haris | dpkg install dos2unix? or apt-get dos2unix? |
| 21:31.28 | streuner | hm, weird |
| 21:31.32 | streuner | !seen abrotman |
| 21:31.32 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 17h 47m 17s ago, saying: 'kenji: try it'. |
| 21:31.44 | themill | Haris: aptitude install tofrodos |
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| 21:32.39 | h3sp4wn | Haris: "dos2unix is in the sysutils package" |
| 21:32.46 | h3sp4wn | Haris: so install sysutils |
| 21:33.38 | snowbird | yeah i got java |
| 21:33.53 | Haris | h3sp4wn: thanks |
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| 21:34.24 | frog | hi, how can i mount uif data? |
| 21:34.48 | streuner | wtf is "uif" data? |
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| 21:35.58 | frog | its compression image file format |
| 21:36.06 | themill | h3sp4wn: dos2unix is actually in tofrodos; sysutils is a dummy package these days. |
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| 21:36.16 | benny_ | ?unstable |
| 21:36.23 | frog | (Universal Image Format() |
| 21:36.23 | h3sp4wn | themill: on sarge ? |
| 21:36.27 | benny_ | what is worse, unstable or testing? |
| 21:36.44 | streuner | !tell benny_ about sid faq |
| 21:36.51 | themill | h3sp4wn: ahh... you're right... I've only just joined ;) |
| 21:37.26 | benny_ | thanks |
| 21:37.28 | streuner | !assume |
| 21:37.28 | dpkg | Don't assume, just KNOW |
| 21:37.50 | themill | hmmmm |
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| 21:38.07 | h3sp4wn | benny_: both are bad in there own (different) ways |
| 21:38.41 | streuner | if he have to ask, both are evil then :-) |
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| 21:39.28 | benny_ | h3sp4wn, I'll simply update to unstable now :-[ |
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| 21:40.30 | aFlag | what's the command for installing all the build dependencies of a package? |
| 21:40.37 | h3sp4wn | aFlag: apt-get build-dep |
| 21:40.39 | snowbird | how do i change sudos name |
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| 21:40.44 | aFlag | thanks |
| 21:41.10 | streuner | benny_: dude, read sid faq first! |
| 21:41.13 | snowbird | the mill u from can eh? |
| 21:41.28 | snowbird | if i uprade il loose x and need remote to fix |
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| 21:42.08 | benny_ | I guess I want testing then |
| 21:42.47 | h3sp4wn | benny_: what do you want from testing/unstable ? can you get it from backports.org |
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| 21:42.51 | themill | benny_: unless you want either specific packages out of testing or a world of pain... don't go there. |
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| 21:43.18 | andyp_ | hi |
| 21:43.26 | benny_ | I want emacs22 |
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| 21:44.23 | Sheazsche | im trying to patch a kernel, and i cannot configure my kernel with make menuconfig or make xconfig |
| 21:44.29 | Sheazsche | whats wrong? im in /usr/src/linux |
| 21:44.34 | S4nD3r | When I create PS file using the printer file function |
| 21:44.42 | Sheazsche | http://pastebin.com/mdc0f940 sudo make xconfig gives me this |
| 21:44.44 | themill | benny_: http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/OnDebianEtch |
| 21:44.46 | S4nD3r | Then, I convert PS file to PDF |
| 21:44.58 | Sheazsche | http://pastebin.com/mdc0f940 make menuconfig that |
| 21:45.01 | benny_ | thanks |
| 21:45.13 | S4nD3r | The quality is not so good |
| 21:45.23 | S4nD3r | how solve it ? |
| 21:45.29 | themill | benny_: completely untested by me, but it might work for you :) |
| 21:45.43 | Haris | Does vi on debian 3.1 not support :set nowrap? |
| 21:46.06 | themill | benny_: actually, it looks like a fairly straight forward backport |
| 21:46.14 | benny_ | ok |
| 21:46.18 | streuner | S4nD: ps2pdf works here very well |
| 21:46.23 | themill | !tell benny_ about simple sid backport |
| 21:46.23 | andyp_ | i am installing linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 and aptitude wants to install - linux-headers-2.6.18-4, linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686, and linux-kbuild-2.6.18? |
| 21:46.37 | themill | sounds about right |
| 21:47.27 | themill | andyp_: the kbuild package is associated cruft for being able to build modules, and the non-686 package will be a metapackage |
| 21:47.29 | VaLouille | andyp_: so ? |
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| 21:48.23 | andyp_ | well when i install vmware it needs linux-headers package but which one |
| 21:48.42 | h3sp4wn | benny_: Its not so simple - you need to make it provide emacs-snapshot (to satisfy depends on such as - quack-el or other external stuff) |
| 21:48.53 | loxley_ | andyp_: probably for the kernel you are running atm |
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| 21:49.22 | andyp_ | loxley which is 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 21:50.07 | themill | sheazsche: either aptitude install libncurses-dev or aptitude install libqt3-mt-dev |
| 21:50.08 | benny_ | h3sp4wn, ok |
| 21:50.40 | andyp_ | so if i want remove two of those packages as i do not need then whats the c line |
| 21:51.03 | benny_ | what about fetching them manually ? |
| 21:51.15 | h3sp4wn | benny_: just look in the debian/ directory - find where it says provides emacs22 - and add emacs-snapshot to that line (then most stuff will still work without having too copies of emacs installed) |
| 21:51.47 | benny_ | h3sp4wn, hope it will work |
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| 21:52.00 | themill | Haris: I think so, but it's been a very long time since I've tried... |
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| 21:52.33 | h3sp4wn | benny_: even in unstable there is most of those dependancies that are not updated |
| 21:53.07 | benny_ | i c |
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| 21:53.14 | benny_ | whatever... I'll keep emacs21 then |
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| 21:53.48 | benny_ | one day it will hopefully be stable |
| 21:54.05 | h3sp4wn | Its stable now its just there is loads of stuff that plug into emacs |
| 21:54.21 | h3sp4wn | depending on how much of it you need etc etc |
| 21:54.29 | benny_ | ah |
| 21:54.48 | h3sp4wn | and it may or not be easy to get it to work |
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| 21:55.48 | benny_ | I'll stick to emacs21 then |
| 21:56.10 | benny_ | didn't think that it is that complicated |
| 21:58.24 | benny_ | h3sp4wn, thanks then :) |
| 21:59.42 | benny_ | h3sp4wn, didn't think that it is that complicated -- just thought I was doing something wrong |
| 22:00.09 | drwahl | everytime i reboot linux, my xserver has problems loading. to fix it, i re-run the NVIDIA*.sh and copy over my saved xorg.conf file. is there anyway to fix this? |
| 22:00.41 | databuddy | wierd |
| 22:00.50 | databuddy | do you only reboot when upgrading kernels? |
| 22:01.00 | databuddy | or is this for _any_ reboot drwahl |
| 22:01.13 | drwahl | no, i reboot to do somethings in windows, so that would make it ANY reboot |
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| 22:03.39 | john_titor | hi i follow the wiki steps for nvidia installation and does not work..... also install envy and does not work either what can i do |
| 22:03.44 | Villan | DCC SEND (characterlimitover14) |
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| 22:04.47 | mavhk | wow, you'd think linux people would be able to fix a buffer overflow in 24 months |
| 22:05.10 | PriceChild | mavhk, buffer overflow? |
| 22:05.16 | Kevin` | mavhk in which software |
| 22:05.29 | drwahl | i also need to encrypt some files using pgp, is gpg the same thing? if not, any suggestion on packages to do pgp? |
| 22:05.34 | mavhk | the dcc thing is a buffer overflow in some router firmware |
| 22:05.41 | Kevin` | drwahl yes |
| 22:05.42 | PriceChild | mavhk, and how would linux fix that/ |
| 22:05.49 | john_titor | when i used envy for nvidia installation send me an error "... cannot be instaled: nvidia-kernel-common" |
| 22:05.50 | Kevin` | mavhk that's NOT A LINUX PROBLEM AT ALL |
| 22:06.19 | Kevin` | mavhk it's a problem in vxworks, if it matters to you, and has never affected linux routers |
| 22:06.28 | drwahl | Kevin`: "yes" meaning that gpg is the same as pgp? |
| 22:06.29 | Kevin` | and is only for consumer routers |
| 22:06.33 | Kevin` | yes, drwahl |
| 22:06.39 | drwahl | thank you |
| 22:06.43 | mavhk | my point was people who use linux would be able to upgrade firmware |
| 22:07.01 | MangosDebian | mavhk: /umode +C |
| 22:07.14 | Kevin` | mavhk heh, i'd hope people using linux wouldn't be running vxworks on a router at all :) |
| 22:07.36 | john_titor | before start to install nvidia with envy shows me the following The following packages are not installed: |
| 22:07.37 | john_titor | linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 22:07.37 | john_titor | how can i install the "linux-headers-'uname-r' ????? |
| 22:08.01 | Kevin` | apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 22:08.19 | themill | john_titor: be careful about what quotes they are |
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| 22:08.29 | evilbulgarian | hi, im looking for something similar to looking at the current passwd and shadow file of a system for a user and if he exists to migrate those settings to one or more systems anyone know a script or program that does something similar that i can modify? |
| 22:08.43 | mancubus1 | Could you please tell does "lenny" in testing release or in unstable? |
| 22:08.56 | themill | !tell mancubus1 about lenny |
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| 22:09.27 | john_titor | i did the apt-get install kernels..... and tells me that cannot found the kernel package |
| 22:09.34 | john_titor | is that a source.list problem? |
| 22:09.45 | mesof | john_titor: yes |
| 22:09.52 | themill | john_titor: please pastebin your sources.list and the output from that command |
| 22:09.59 | mesof | john_titor: unless you're typing it wrong |
| 22:10.00 | mancubus1 | themill, thnx |
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| 22:10.38 | john_titor | ok thx |
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| 22:17.10 | john_titor | sorry the noob question but...... what can i do to find the kernel-header packages |
| 22:17.27 | john_titor | dunno what to do |
| 22:17.33 | streuner | why do you need them at all? |
| 22:17.44 | themill | john_titor: packages.debian.org |
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| 22:18.24 | szymon_g | hi |
| 22:18.42 | streuner | apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 22:18.50 | mindmedic | john_titor: get your current kernel name and version with "uname -r" and install the corresponding kernel-headers-xxx package |
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| 22:19.34 | slidesinger | The simple solution to kernel panic if you have two boxes with identical hardware: get both boxes with the same kernel version installed through apt, then scp the initrdimage to from the good box to the bad one. Bingo! Thanks to everyone who provided insight throughout the day. |
| 22:19.44 | MangosDebian | http://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/855530042/ |
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| 22:20.19 | szymon_g | i've been compiling linux-kernel (2.6.21) on debian/lenny, after sudo time make-kpkg --append-to-version=mojkernel kernel_image modules_image --initrd |
| 22:20.25 | john_titor | i need them because i cant install the nvidia drivers |
| 22:20.42 | szymon_g | and i get : 1854.05user 165.85system 34:55.91elapsed 96%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k |
| 22:20.42 | szymon_g | 0inputs+0outputs (28major+51796715minor)pagefaults 0swaps |
| 22:20.45 | streuner | john_titor: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 22:20.56 | mindmedic | slidesinger: that solution doesn't make sense. shouldn't the images be the same? |
| 22:21.00 | szymon_g | whats the mining of this 0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident ?? |
| 22:21.13 | szymon_g | *meaning |
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| 22:21.57 | john_titor | ok now did work thx |
| 22:22.06 | slidesinger | mindmedic: apparently something went wrong with the making of the initrd image during the upgrade of the second box. Either that or the initrd got corrupted. Anyhow, it worked. |
| 22:22.21 | john_titor | but now for the nvidia drivers.... can i use the envy program |
| 22:22.25 | john_titor | it works for debian? |
| 22:22.41 | streuner | !find envy |
| 22:22.46 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'envy' (2): (/usr/share/app-install/desktop/envy24_control.desktop) in x11/app-install-data ;; (/usr/bin/envy24control, /usr/share/applications/envy24_control.desktop) in sound/alsa-tools-gui. |
| 22:22.58 | themill | !tell john_titor about nvidia |
| 22:22.58 | mindmedic | slidesinger: was just curious if the generated initrd was machine specific |
| 22:24.31 | streuner | john_ whats the "envy" program at all? what does it make? |
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| 22:24.49 | john_titor | install nvidia latest drivers |
| 22:25.00 | themill | streuner: it's some ubuntu nvidia installer thingy |
| 22:25.02 | streuner | omg |
| 22:25.09 | john_titor | yes i think it is |
| 22:25.12 | mindmedic | :) |
| 22:25.22 | john_titor | but i heard it works on debian as well |
| 22:25.23 | StarWars | Hi FreeRAM script or something to clean ram ? |
| 22:25.24 | slidesinger | mindmedic: I think they are, but even so, the two boxes in question are hardware identical down to the smallest ram chip. |
| 22:25.34 | themill | john_titor: just follow the instructions that dpkg sent you |
| 22:25.49 | streuner | john_titor: dont use that crap |
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| 22:26.23 | john_titor | allright... im on it |
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| 22:26.51 | slidesinger | Just read some entries from the log as well. mkinitramsfs-kpkg failed to create initrd image. Any idea why? |
| 22:26.53 | mindmedic | slidesinger: well congratulations then finding that error. must have been a frustrating day. |
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| 22:27.09 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
| 22:27.41 | mindmedic | streuner: maybe it makes a clean install of the drivers. but i've never heard of it before myself |
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| 22:27.53 | slidesinger | mindmedic: Very, been on it since 8 AM eastern without a break. There really needs to be more practical kernel docs than what I read. |
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| 22:28.43 | andyp_ | hi |
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| 22:29.07 | slidesinger | Great docs about compilation, how the kernel works, etc. Just try finding docs on troubleshooting by topic. I still haven't found any. |
| 22:29.16 | mindmedic | hehe ... well it if you had the old initrd, maybe a diff would be interesting |
| 22:30.16 | rking | i'm supposed to write an essay for a class that "Compares Windows, MacOSX, Linux, and Unix". I'm trying not to a) sound too much like a Linux fanboy, and b) not make my teacher sound too dumb ("Unix vs. Linux", which is probably not true in the way she means it) |
| 22:30.46 | andyp_ | if i have created a link to a file or directory with the ln -s command how do i remove that ln |
| 22:30.52 | rking | andyp_: rm |
| 22:31.07 | StarWars | Where can i get FreeRAM script or something to clean ram ? Tnx |
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| 22:31.23 | RockerMONO | what's a good FTP client for Debian? |
| 22:31.28 | dondelelcaro | RockerMONO: lftp |
| 22:31.37 | RockerMONO | k, thanks :) |
| 22:31.38 | rking | RockerMONO: i think i use wget, vim, or firefox |
| 22:31.56 | ricky | Vim :) |
| 22:31.56 | cec | Hi just installed Lenny and have decided to stick with epiphany. Can I use the adobe flash player 9 with epiphany. I just tried to install it but it keeps asking me for a valid installation path when I direct it to /usr/lib/epiphany? |
| 22:32.24 | ricky | RockerMONO: I usually use ncftp (or Firefox) when I'm forced to use FTP. |
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| 22:34.10 | databuddy | !flood |
| 22:34.10 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 22:34.12 | themill | RockerMONO: filezilla |
| 22:34.15 | mindmedic | StarWars: Your RAM is either being used for cacheing purposes or is occupied. Such a script doesn't make sense. The kernels memory management is fine. |
| 22:34.29 | RockerMONO | erm... ok it needs SFTP haha... what's a good SFTP client? [my bad] |
| 22:34.41 | andyp_ | rking are you sure its rm something like linux -> linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 22:34.41 | themill | RockerMONO: filezilla also does sftp |
| 22:34.45 | jelly | RockerMONO: sshfs? :-) |
| 22:34.51 | RockerMONO | jelly: erm? |
| 22:34.57 | RockerMONO | themill: alright |
| 22:35.01 | jelly | RockerMONO: sshfs is a sftp client. |
| 22:35.03 | themill | RockerMONO: konqi does sftp (but not really ftp) |
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| 22:35.53 | themill | RockerMONO: i've not looked at filezilla much under linux but when I'm stuck on other legacy operating systems i've used it a lot |
| 22:36.10 | rking | andyp_: yes, definitely. ln -s /something/that/exists /new/location; rm /new/location |
| 22:36.25 | rking | andyp_: all you're doing is removing the symbolic link. |
| 22:36.26 | RockerMONO | themill: i just need something to edit 1 file real quick, it's an old site that i'm adding a link to my newer one |
| 22:36.44 | YuriX | good day/night. Tell me please, what happen with weekly updates of debian testing's dvd-images? Last updates mas made 28 may! |
| 22:36.53 | andyp_ | what if the source file in this case linux-source-2.6.18 was removed beforehand |
| 22:37.02 | mindmedic | rking: how long does your speech need to be? |
| 22:37.08 | rking | andyp_: don't matta. |
| 22:37.24 | rking | mindmedic: hehe, 200-300 words. |
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| 22:37.39 | rking | which is like... how many words i've typed into this channel in the last 5 minutes. |
| 22:37.53 | rking | That's why i'm thinking of doing a table as the main thing. |
| 22:37.54 | themill | RockerMONO: you can't just ssh onto the box? Konqueror if you use that already is good for it's edit-in-place ability |
| 22:38.17 | RockerMONO | themill: oh yea, thanks haha it does have ssh >.> |
| 22:38.33 | andyp_ | rking i am getting no such file or directory even with " around as there is a space between the -> |
| 22:38.38 | themill | RockerMONO: vim is your friend then :) |
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| 22:38.44 | RockerMONO | yup =] |
| 22:38.52 | snowbird | how do itest my java |
| 22:39.04 | yup | java -version ? |
| 22:39.10 | mindmedic | rking: thats not many words for doing a real comparison |
| 22:39.14 | rking | andyp_: ok, so you have a symbolic link 'linux', right? it's like a light blue when you do ls --color , right? ok, just do: rm linux |
| 22:39.26 | snowbird | yup it old il get versiopn |
| 22:39.32 | simonrvn | you don't need that symlink anyway |
| 22:39.50 | yup | what do you want to test ? |
| 22:39.51 | snowbird | 1.5.0_10 that my version java |
| 22:39.59 | snowbird | see if its working |
| 22:40.03 | simonrvn | the kernel people even recommend not making it anymore, causes too many problems |
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| 22:40.35 | yup | snowbird: make a programm, compile it, run it |
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| 22:41.00 | snowbird | what u mean |
| 22:41.03 | rking | mindmedic: yeah. i'm thinking about taking the stance that basically, for everybody, there are discussion-enders. like they only want a free OS because of the ideals, or they only want windows because they're tardbrains. then, i'll probably toss in a table comparing some things like internal architecture, history, cost, application availability, distribution base, etc. |
| 22:41.23 | simonrvn | yup: he's a newbie, don't tell him to build stuff now |
| 22:41.24 | andyp_ | rkind: thanks |
| 22:41.33 | yup | snowbird: try javac -version, if it is ok, than you have both: compiler and interpreter |
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| 22:42.19 | yup | snowbird: i see tht you have java, so, you can run java programs |
| 22:42.26 | rking | andyp_: oh, actually - you mentioned that the link target was already removed, so `ls --color` would actually show it as red or something indicating it's b0rks. |
| 22:42.55 | mindmedic | rking: well the history of linux is always an interesting story. and application availability is an interesting topic as well. talk a little about osx and the bsd's (maybe one commercial unix) and that should be it |
| 22:42.55 | snowbird | yup but on the sun java i dont get nothing |
| 22:42.58 | YuriX | anybody know what's happen with weekly updates of testing's disk-images? |
| 22:43.17 | mindmedic | however you won't be able to do that in 300 words :) |
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| 22:43.37 | yup | snowbird: what do you expect to get ? |
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| 22:44.02 | yup | snowbird: java program is interpreter which runs java programs |
| 22:44.03 | themill | YuriX: there are also daily builds if you'd rather |
| 22:44.08 | snowbird | it should bring me pic of someting |
| 22:44.10 | themill | YuriX: they're up to date |
| 22:44.18 | yup | snowbird: it should not |
| 22:44.50 | yup | snowbird: get some java app (example: netbeans.org - java/c++ ide) and run it |
| 22:44.56 | rking | mindmedic: i mean, by "history", a row that says: History: DOS -> Win1 -> Win3.0 -> Win95 -> XP, and not say too much more |
| 22:45.11 | rking | just the major architectural landmarks and ancestors |
| 22:45.17 | yup | snowbird: or you have app and could not run it ? |
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| 22:47.03 | snowbird | yeah il find someting |
| 22:47.21 | yup | why do you need java ? |
| 22:47.24 | YuriX | themill: daily builds? where i can get it? |
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| 22:48.21 | themill | !tell YuriX about lenny netinstall |
| 22:48.54 | themill | YuriX: also, read the notice at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ (first paragraph) |
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| 22:49.00 | snowbird | net beans works |
| 22:49.09 | yup | than it is ok |
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| 22:49.27 | snowbird | my java must be to old for sun sight how do i update my java |
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| 22:49.44 | YuriX | themill: thank you |
| 22:49.52 | yup | why do you think it is too old ? |
| 22:49.56 | yup | it is pretty new |
| 22:49.59 | themill | YuriX: np |
| 22:50.23 | yup | there is update 1.5.0_12 |
| 22:50.24 | snowbird | cause on sun java i get no pic in there test |
| 22:50.24 | cafuego | if you just have the jre and not the plugin, age doesn't matter, it just won't run in a browser. |
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| 22:50.46 | yup | hm, what test ? |
| 22:50.50 | themill | snowbird: can you pastebin java -version |
| 22:50.51 | snowbird | can some go to sun java and tell me what u get |
| 22:50.58 | yup | ah, browser |
| 22:51.03 | george2002 | hello pleace channel debian in spanish help |
| 22:51.04 | snowbird | yeah mill how i get it? |
| 22:51.10 | themill | !es |
| 22:51.10 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:51.13 | cafuego | snowbird: Go to about:plugins in your browser and check if you have a java plugin. |
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| 22:51.28 | snowbird | ok |
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| 22:51.45 | themill | snowbird: do what cafuego says first |
| 22:52.03 | snowbird | i dont see plug in in my browser it says must insatll from bin version 6 |
| 22:52.04 | cafuego | Yes, do as I say. |
| 22:52.21 | cafuego | snowbird: ok, without a plugin java on a webpage won't work, no matter what version. |
| 22:52.28 | yup | : |
| 22:52.30 | yup | :) |
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| 22:52.51 | snowbird | oh il have quick java in my browser |
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| 22:53.14 | themill | snowbird: to install the borwser plugin, aptitude install sub-java5-plugin |
| 22:53.21 | zinx | sun :x |
| 22:53.34 | snowbird | and my browser says java is disabled |
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| 22:54.10 | themill | snowbird: where does it say that? |
| 22:54.11 | yup | or you can copy plugin from jre/plugin/arch/ to mozilla/irefox plugins directory |
| 22:54.42 | yup | it is disabled `coz it is unavailable ? |
| 22:54.58 | Artimus | I'm having trouble with Flash on websites like Youtube in Konqueror. The interface buttons don't respond to clicks and the file keeps skipping every 5 seconds or so (Almost like it needs to buffer more). Suggestions? Performance is fine on my other boxes. |
| 22:55.28 | Seven_Six_Two | I get an I/O error every time I try to burn a dvd. I've heard that I need to turn off IDE-SCSI emulation, but can't figure out how. Is it just a module that needs to be removed |
| 22:55.53 | snowbird | i get error could not find that package |
| 22:56.05 | themill | snowbird: what browser are you using? |
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| 22:56.43 | snowbird | iceweasel |
| 22:56.47 | B4S7ONOS7 | hola |
| 22:57.05 | themill | snowbird: and can you find java mentioned on the page about:plugins |
| 22:57.15 | B4S7ONOS7 | necesito ayuda con mi distribucion de debian |
| 22:57.16 | snowbird | on waht page? |
| 22:57.25 | themill | snowbird: about:plugins |
| 22:57.41 | krazykit | !tell B4S7ONOS7 about es |
| 22:58.08 | snowbird | what page do i look for and were |
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| 22:58.23 | dvs | snowbird: type that into the locator bar |
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| 22:58.33 | nas | alright i got a problem here |
| 22:58.35 | themill | snowbird: in iceweasel, go to the location bar and type in about:plugins |
| 22:58.40 | nas | ikm trying to get multi core support |
| 22:58.57 | nas | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.04 | nas | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.04 | snowbird | yeah i see that |
| 22:59.11 | nas | when the os boots i loads a bunch of shit and it seems like it gets stuck when its about to mount the hd's |
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| 22:59.20 | themill | snowbird: and does it show headings for java? |
| 22:59.26 | krazykit | nas, how do you know this? all the kernels have been smp for awhile. |
| 22:59.47 | themill | snowbird: perhaps copy this page into a pastebin for us |
| 23:00.11 | nas | krazykit, oh rly |
| 23:00.17 | nas | well |
| 23:00.22 | themill | nas: where did you get that image from? |
| 23:00.23 | nas | i dont know |
| 23:00.26 | snowbird | hold on |
| 23:00.37 | themill | nas: are you running etch? |
| 23:00.38 | nas | i load system m onitor and it doesnt show stats for second cpu |
| 23:00.45 | snowbird | get me page for paste |
| 23:00.55 | nas | cat /proc/cpuinfo doesnt seem to report anything about a second cpu and neither does gkrellm |
| 23:01.02 | themill | nas: where did you get that image from? |
| 23:01.14 | nas | themill, ya etch netboot cd |
| 23:01.29 | nas | 2.6.18-4-486 |
| 23:01.33 | dondelelcaro | nas: if it doesn't, then you either don't have an smp kernel, you've booted with nosmp, or you don't have a second CPU. |
| 23:01.39 | nas | thats the one that came with it |
| 23:01.40 | snowbird | plug in page down |
| 23:01.44 | themill | nas: ok... that's not 2.6.18-4-k7-smp though.... |
| 23:01.51 | themill | nas: where did you get that one from? |
| 23:02.09 | nas | themill, ya i know i had to go back to the default to make it work again |
| 23:02.19 | nas | when i tried to load the smp k7 one it got stuck |
| 23:02.27 | nas | iu have athlon x2 5200 |
| 23:02.34 | snowbird | themill what apge? |
| 23:02.34 | nas | is k7 the wrong kernel perhaps |
| 23:02.46 | themill | nas: I don't think there's an smp k7 image in etch so that's why I'm trying to work out what you've done |
| 23:02.50 | themill | snowbird: about:plugins |
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| 23:03.10 | themill | snowbird: please paste about:plugins into a pastebin for is |
| 23:03.16 | nas | themill, what does transitional package mean |
| 23:03.50 | nas | themill, ill tell you what i apted |
| 23:03.53 | themill | nas: ahhh that might explain it... all kernels since 2.6.mumble have been smp. |
| 23:04.07 | nas | kernel-image-2.6-k7-smp - Linux 2.6 image on AMD K7 SMP - transition package |
| 23:04.15 | snowbird | the mill il paste ass soon as i get paste from bot |
| 23:04.17 | themill | nas: you don't need to specify an smp kernel any more. |
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| 23:04.38 | nas | ok themill im now using the default kernel |
| 23:04.44 | nas | uname -r results are |
| 23:04.53 | nas | 2.6.18-4-486 |
| 23:04.58 | nas | thats the one that came by default |
| 23:05.01 | themill | nas: ok... perhaps you could pastebin cat /proc/cpuinfo for us. |
| 23:05.03 | zinx | that one doesn't do SMP |
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| 23:05.33 | nas | ok i will pastebin |
| 23:06.40 | nas | http://pastebin.com/d3eed6e72 |
| 23:07.05 | themill | nas: ok.. that's a 64 bit processor.... |
| 23:07.07 | nas | zinx, so which one has smp support that i should be using |
| 23:07.20 | nas | themill should i be using the 64bit kernel though? |
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| 23:07.32 | nas | will i still be able to use 32 bit stuff? |
| 23:07.33 | themill | do amd64 processors support k7 kernels? |
| 23:07.53 | epsilon_ | should |
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| 23:08.21 | themill | nas: I'm not sure.... I can get you this far and I think we now know the right questions to ask, but I've never touched amd64 stuff. |
| 23:08.24 | snowbird | what do u want pased the mill |
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| 23:08.37 | themill | snowbird: please paste about:plugins into a pastebin for us |
| 23:09.05 | nas | themill, thank you |
| 23:09.13 | nas | i appreciate any ideas |
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| 23:09.36 | nas | themill ive never touched 64bit stuff either lol |
| 23:09.40 | nas | just got this new comp |
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| 23:09.59 | snowbird | http://pastebin.ca/index.php the mill |
| 23:10.09 | xlotlu | i don't get how /etc/network/if-*.d/ stuff is supposed to work... placed a simple script there echoing into a file, nothing happens |
| 23:10.10 | snowbird | its there |
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| 23:10.43 | yup | snowbird: paste and press submit |
| 23:10.46 | themill | snowbird: .... some number should follow that.... |
| 23:11.32 | snowbird | http://pastebin.ca/652989 |
| 23:11.33 | themill | snowbird: that's not about:plugins |
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| 23:11.53 | snowbird | the mill iam under java looks like i need to install version 6 bin |
| 23:12.11 | snowbird | which i have on my desk top |
| 23:12.43 | Bogus8 | is there any way to find out the status on a package? |
| 23:12.56 | snowbird | i dont see plugs ins |
| 23:13.05 | Bogus8 | irssi .8.11 is out and I'm just curioius as to if there is a possible timeframe on when it will be availible through apt |
| 23:13.11 | themill | snowbird: to install the borwser plugin, go to a terminal and type aptitude install sub-java5-plugin |
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| 23:13.20 | snowbird | i get error |
| 23:13.34 | themill | snowbird: please paste the command and error into a pastebin |
| 23:13.46 | yup | snowbird: type in address bar in your browser -- about:plugins and paste contents of opened page to pastebin |
| 23:14.09 | S4nD3r | When I try to print, theres no option to print more pages per sheet |
| 23:14.13 | S4nD3r | how to do it ? |
| 23:14.21 | themill | S4nD3r: psnup |
| 23:14.28 | nas | my thought was maybe that kernel doesnt support my boards chipset or something |
| 23:14.36 | S4nD3r | psnup? |
| 23:15.07 | themill | S4nD3r: psnup converts postscript to n-up format. or if you are using kde, then it's in the settings tab on the print dialogue. |
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| 23:15.13 | snowbird | its telling me plug in isnt a directory |
| 23:15.18 | xlotlu | this is weird: run-parts doesn't show my script as being run at ifup/down -v -- any idea why? |
| 23:15.28 | themill | nas: amd64 is supposed to work. Perhaps try a live cd. |
| 23:15.31 | yup | snowbird: about:plugins |
| 23:16.01 | nas | themill, so think i sho9uld try the amd64 kernel than? is that what your saying? |
| 23:16.05 | themill | snowbird: be really careful about spaces etc when you type that. |
| 23:16.06 | S4nD3r | how to install psnup? |
| 23:16.10 | cafuego | nas: what board & chipset do you have? |
| 23:16.18 | nas | umm |
| 23:16.38 | nas | asus m2a-vm |
| 23:16.40 | S4nD3r | psutils |
| 23:16.40 | snowbird | i was carefull |
| 23:16.42 | themill | nas; no idea, but what I'm reading says that amd64 kernel should match your processor. |
| 23:16.48 | nas | amd 690g chipset |
| 23:16.51 | cafuego | `lspci' will give you an indication if you're in Linux now |
| 23:17.17 | themill | nas: you can put lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi |
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| 23:18.45 | themill | snowbird: it's past my bed time... good luck with it. And "aptitude install sun-java5-plugin" will probably solve all your problems. |
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| 23:19.08 | themill | night all! |
| 23:19.12 | nas | haha cool |
| 23:19.14 | nas | night |
| 23:19.21 | themill | !g'night |
| 23:19.22 | dpkg | Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite :) |
| 23:19.23 | snowbird | could find package for that comand |
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| 23:19.29 | snowbird | no such pakage |
| 23:19.44 | snowbird | night |
| 23:19.52 | dvs | snowbird: in the browser locator bar, type "about:plugins". It can't be any clearer than that. |
| 23:19.58 | themill | snowbird: check you still have non-free in your sources.list |
| 23:20.07 | snowbird | ok |
| 23:20.22 | snowbird | linux dont have that olug in in browser |
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| 23:20.51 | snowbird | i ahve non free source list |
| 23:21.44 | snowbird | ok so wahts next |
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| 23:22.03 | yup | about:plugins |
| 23:22.22 | yup | in web-browser's address bar |
| 23:22.37 | yup | and paste contents to pastebin |
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| 23:23.08 | snowbird | yup i am there now |
| 23:23.18 | yup | copy & paste |
| 23:23.47 | snowbird | yup can i pm you |
| 23:23.58 | yup | can |
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| 23:25.39 | snowbird | yup do u under stand that |
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| 23:26.00 | snowbird | whats a symbolic link |
| 23:26.40 | snowbird | yup |
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| 23:28.22 | mesof | does anyone here use linuxtrade? |
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| 23:29.14 | phorce1 | well, that looks like it worked. Have to re-attach the SATA drive and reboot to make sure. Grab the initrd file ; un-gzip the file ; uncpio the file ; change ONE STINKING LINE in ONE STINKING FILE ; re-cpio the directory ; re-gzip the cpio ; cp the new initrd into /boot. WHEW! |
| 23:29.23 | mesof | !linuxtrade |
| 23:29.27 | kilimanjaro | Mplayer, which was working earlier, now says that /dev/dsp is busy. I use alsa and this has not been an issue before, I'm not running any abnormal applications. How can I find out what has locked the device? Firefox crashed a couple of minutes ago and I had flashplayer open, could this be it? |
| 23:29.40 | kilimanjaro | I can't get sound on any applications in fact |
| 23:31.09 | krazykit | kilimanjaro, it may be. try lsof /dev/dsp to see what's using it |
| 23:31.13 | kilimanjaro | freebsd had a program called fstat that would show active files, is there something analagous on debian? |
| 23:31.17 | kilimanjaro | ok |
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| 23:35.24 | kilimanjaro | nothing |
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| 23:36.52 | yup | fstat too :) |
| 23:37.20 | krazykit | kilimanjaro, you may need to do it with root permissions |
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| 23:37.42 | kilimanjaro | krazykit, yea I did, there were no results |
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| 23:38.02 | kilimanjaro | maybe I'll try restarting |
| 23:38.08 | kilimanjaro | I bet it was stupid firefox |
| 23:38.22 | krazykit | kilimanjaro, you may be able to restart alsa |
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| 23:40.34 | kilimanjaro | got it |
| 23:40.45 | john_titor | damn nvidia drivers!!! |
| 23:41.14 | kilimanjaro | evince and xmms were using stuff in /dev/snd/, for some magical reason when I killed both of them /dev/dsp was unlocked |
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| 23:44.21 | snowbird | yup |
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| 23:47.40 | TylerJGillies | how many of the install cd's are mandatory? do i have to install all 20? |
| 23:47.46 | dvs | TylerJGillies: one |
| 23:47.47 | TylerJGillies | I'm downloading from the net |
| 23:47.58 | TylerJGillies | is there a page that tells whats on each cd |
| 23:48.04 | TylerJGillies | dvs: thnx |
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| 23:48.09 | krazykit | TylerJGillies, the netinstall, if you only want the packages you want |
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| 23:48.22 | dvs | TylerJGillies: and if you have a faster internet connection |
| 23:48.31 | dvs | *fast |
| 23:48.35 | TylerJGillies | krazykit: I have a WLAN card will that work? |
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| 23:49.37 | krazykit | TylerJGillies, ah, no, probably not then. ideally, you'd plug in for the install |
| 23:49.54 | ccfreak2k | What is the default for CONFIG_HZ in the kernel for Debian 4.0? |
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| 23:49.59 | krazykit | TylerJGillies, unless it's like a prism card or something that's supported in-kernel without the need for external firmware |
| 23:50.12 | SperMite | not necessary a debian question, I'm running kubuntu, but not getting much help in the channels. I just upgraded my kernel to 2.6.20-16-generic, and after so, my secondary Master/Slave disappeared and I can't mount them or even list them with fstab! anyone have any idea why? |
| 23:50.23 | TylerJGillies | krazykit: ralink/rt61/linksys wmp54g |
| 23:50.25 | dvs | SperMite: no idea |
| 23:50.40 | TylerJGillies | krazykit: supported? |
| 23:50.40 | krazykit | TylerJGillies, pretty sure that needs an external kernel. |
| 23:50.45 | krazykit | so nope |
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| 23:51.03 | krazykit | SperMite, this is not the place for ubuntu questions, even if they're not answering. |
| 23:51.05 | TylerJGillies | krazykit: k thnx |
| 23:51.09 | ccfreak2k | SperMite, I hear it's a brutal channel, but have you asked in #ubuntu? |
| 23:51.32 | TylerJGillies | ubuntu is debian with flowers painted on it |
| 23:51.38 | dvs | heh |
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| 23:51.41 | SperMite | ccfreak2k yes, no one seemed to have any solution either |
| 23:51.45 | dvs | hippies! |
| 23:52.06 | ccfreak2k | SperMite, have you checked dmesg for any incriminating evidence? |
| 23:52.29 | krazykit | SperMite, ubuntu heavily patches their kernel. #debian cannot guarantee that any advice will not horribly hose your system. |
| 23:52.39 | snowbird | try easyLinuxguide there ubuntu freindly room |
| 23:53.05 | SperMite | ccfreak2k , yes, its just list my primary devices and thats it |
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| 23:55.17 | TylerJGillies | what is the _primary_ difference between ubuntu and debian? |
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| 23:55.38 | giz_bmz | ubuntu is derived from debian ?? |
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| 23:56.09 | antgel | TylerJGillies: there are several differences |
| 23:56.14 | drbair | TylerJGillies: ubuntu pulls packages from sid and then rapidly stabilizes them, so its much more up to date. ubuntu also allows 'less free' software into its repos |
| 23:56.39 | antgel | ubuntu is owned by a commercial entity |
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| 23:56.46 | iDear | hi |
| 23:56.56 | TylerJGillies | gotcha |
| 23:57.08 | drwahl | ls |
| 23:57.09 | beap | wellsaid at drbair :) |
| 23:57.10 | iDear | i need some help guys |
| 23:57.11 | drwahl | mt |
| 23:57.17 | iDear | i need help with this: |
| 23:57.17 | iDear | 1. |
| 23:57.35 | \dev\shm\a | 1. - solved |
| 23:57.42 | iDear | dry my ass |
| 23:57.44 | iDear | 2. |
| 23:57.48 | iDear | masturbate with me |
| 23:57.50 | iDear | 3. |
| 23:57.52 | iDear | fuck me |
| 23:57.56 | iDear | 4. give me a joint |
| 23:57.57 | beap | wtf |
| 23:57.57 | TylerJGillies | wtf? |
| 23:57.57 | iDear | 5. |
| 23:57.58 | iDear | bye bye |
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| 23:58.08 | drbair | well... that was odd |
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| 23:58.18 | TylerJGillies | that had to be the best random spam i have ever seen |
| 23:58.22 | ccfreak2k | What is the default for CONFIG_HZ in the kernel for Debian 4.0? |
| 23:58.31 | ccfreak2k | It's Etch, appearently. |
| 23:58.39 | krazykit | ccfreak2k, check your config. it's in /boot |
| 23:58.57 | ccfreak2k | I know what MINE is, but I want to know what the defaults are for the kernel(s). |
| 23:59.10 | ccfreak2k | I have no idea if Debian has alternate kernel packages, though. |
| 23:59.48 | krazykit | so you don't have a debian kernel installed? |