| 00:00.19 | snowbird | on what waht magizine |
| 00:00.28 | multi_io | DawnLight: thanks |
| 00:00.35 | Bogus8 | snowbird: linux pro magazine |
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| 00:00.40 | jelly-home | multi_io: works-for-me, but I haven't updated it in a long time |
| 00:00.41 | multi_io | Bogus8: an article on login problems you mean? |
| 00:00.50 | snowbird | ok on arts? |
| 00:00.51 | Bogus8 | multi_io: on google earth on linux |
| 00:01.05 | multi_io | jelly-home: ok thanks. can you tell me what version you have? |
| 00:01.27 | Bogus8 | snowbird: on google earth |
| 00:01.28 | multi_io | (Help/About menu) |
| 00:01.39 | Bogus8 | lol |
| 00:01.45 | jelly-home | multi_io: About window says 4.0.2735 |
| 00:01.57 | snowbird | wow linux mag here was from uk and then the did not sell any more i have 30 was 40 per mag |
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| 00:02.34 | jelly-home | snowbird: what's your native language, if I may know? |
| 00:02.40 | snowbird | english |
| 00:02.44 | multi_io | jelly-home: ok thanks |
| 00:02.59 | snowbird | i type bad sorry |
| 00:03.01 | The_Developer | I have an etch install question |
| 00:03.12 | snowbird | of old olf sound blaster live what drivers do uneed |
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| 00:03.52 | The_Developer | does the netinstall cd have more drivers than the business card cd? |
| 00:04.04 | Bogus8 | snowbird: there are I think 3 published here... I got my boss to subscribe to linux pro for me |
| 00:04.07 | snowbird | alsa-firware-loader does what |
| 00:04.08 | jelly-home | snowbird: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ might help you finding out the driver |
| 00:04.39 | snowbird | thanks jelly |
| 00:04.46 | Bogus8 | DawnLight: still waiting patiently :) |
| 00:04.53 | simonrvn | 4.1.7076.4458 (beta) |
| 00:04.55 | snowbird | jelly-home: what does that firmware laoder doo |
| 00:05.08 | jelly-home | snowbird: loads the firmware? No idea. |
| 00:05.30 | snowbird | sound bad jell |
| 00:05.35 | snowbird | got my sound simon |
| 00:05.50 | DawnLight | Bogus8: http://bugs.skolelinux.no/show_bug.cgi?id=1222 has a person saying he built a package. that worked for me. the debian-multimedia package didn't work for me. but i can't load the site |
| 00:06.13 | simonrvn | snowbird: cool |
| 00:06.36 | DustyBin | i just wiped the / partition clean, and replaced all the rsync files, rebooted the server and it stopped on Waiting for root filesystem, and now i have a busyboy prompt... why should it do this? what has rsync missed? i dont understand |
| 00:06.55 | Bogus8 | DawnLight: yeah, site isn't coming up here either |
| 00:07.02 | snowbird | i took it out put in old one and had to unistall art |
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| 00:07.23 | snowbird | added firm ware thing in synaptic |
| 00:07.40 | snowbird | jelly can i show u these resalts |
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| 00:08.31 | The_Developer | because I need the ne driver to work my isa card and the business card cd doesn't seem to have that |
| 00:08.36 | snowbird | there cool |
| 00:08.48 | jelly-home | snowbird: I have no idea what that package does, my card doesn't need it |
| 00:09.02 | DawnLight | multi_io: i'm downloading the binary |
| 00:09.12 | DawnLight | slowly |
| 00:09.36 | snowbird | Creative Sound Blaster AudioPCI64V, AudioPCI128 thtat is my card wounder if should get drivers or not |
| 00:10.25 | snowbird | simon iam showing two cards for sound |
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| 00:12.33 | snowbird | realtech might be someting else too |
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| 00:13.57 | snowbird | sounds good nice help here freindley |
| 00:14.36 | multi_io | DawnLight: it suddenly works now again for me |
| 00:14.51 | multi_io | apparently some network glitch |
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| 00:15.46 | SerajewelKS | i can't even mount it with -t ext3 |
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| 00:16.02 | snowbird | u mean nework burped or farted someting out |
| 00:17.19 | SerajewelKS | why would 2.6.18 boot without a hitch, but 2.6.22 be unable to mount anything from the initrd? |
| 00:17.34 | DawnLight | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.42 | snowbird | run around and each helper a bottle of pin pill or rum tak u choice |
| 00:17.44 | SerajewelKS | when i try to mount anything from the initrd shell, even if i specify a -t, i get Invalid argument |
| 00:17.45 | DawnLight | because 2.6.22 isn't in stable |
| 00:18.19 | SerajewelKS | DawnLight: come back when you have a useful answer |
| 00:18.33 | SerajewelKS | 2.6.22-k7 works fine, 2.6.22-amd64 doesn't |
| 00:18.34 | snowbird | whats dawn fixing |
| 00:18.41 | DawnLight | you will use stable, with its old software like the rest of us! |
| 00:18.51 | snowbird | stable what |
| 00:18.57 | SerajewelKS | !stable |
| 00:18.57 | dpkg | from memory, stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Etch (4.0), or ask me about releases. |
| 00:19.03 | simonrvn | debian |
| 00:19.21 | SerajewelKS | i don't get it. in the boot messages i can tell it sees the partitions. it just refuses to mount them. |
| 00:19.33 | snowbird | 4.0 is etch |
| 00:19.34 | SerajewelKS | even any partition on hda, so it's not a missing sata driver issue |
| 00:19.37 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: FS? |
| 00:19.41 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: ext3 |
| 00:19.49 | snowbird | simonrvn: |
| 00:19.50 | simonrvn | snowbird: yes also called stable |
| 00:19.51 | SerajewelKS | specifying -t ext3 doesn't help either |
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| 00:20.08 | snowbird | is alsa firware bad |
| 00:20.11 | DawnLight | good. will probebly prevent you some corruption by the nasty new programs |
| 00:20.23 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: is .22 recently released? |
| 00:20.29 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: where did you get it? |
| 00:20.45 | SerajewelKS | !info linux-image-2.6.22-1-amd64 |
| 00:20.48 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.22-1-amd64: (Linux 2.6.22 image on AMD64), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.22-3 (sid), Packaged size: 17975 kB, Installed size: 69272 kB |
| 00:20.53 | simonrvn | oh a debian one |
| 00:20.59 | simonrvn | BTS? |
| 00:20.59 | SerajewelKS | of course a debian one :) |
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| 00:21.02 | SerajewelKS | tried that |
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| 00:21.10 | simonrvn | nada? |
| 00:21.15 | SerajewelKS | the only bug i can see has a bunch of reports saying that mounting with -t ext3 works |
| 00:21.18 | SerajewelKS | it doesn't here |
| 00:21.56 | simonrvn | ext3 builtin? |
| 00:22.05 | SerajewelKS | i'm not sure where to begin debugging... the initrd environment doesn't have a whole lot, but like i said 2.6.18 boots just fine |
| 00:22.08 | snowbird | ext2 i got not 3 |
| 00:22.11 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: hell if i know |
| 00:22.11 | DustyBin | MY LORD IT WORKS!!! MY SERVER HAS BEEN RESTORED!! The problem was, i changed the disk into a slave using those little plugs on the HD and i forgot to change it back into a master!!!!!!!!!! :D |
| 00:22.16 | simonrvn | is it loaded? |
| 00:22.48 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: how would i check? i don't have lsmod |
| 00:23.02 | snowbird | got to rattle with ice box give me someting to eat gf is on strike i hear snoreing and no supper |
| 00:23.05 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: mod your initramfs conf to include ext3. cat /proc/something |
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| 00:23.26 | DustyBin | ive just saved myself about 2 weeks of rebuilding it again :D |
| 00:23.27 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: uhm, wtf wouldn't it include ext3... |
| 00:23.30 | simonrvn | the modules conf.. sec, getting name |
| 00:23.44 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: brb a sec, i'm going to move my lappy into the same room so i can try things |
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| 00:23.56 | simonrvn | /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 00:24.10 | snowbird | whats that doo |
| 00:25.29 | snowbird | nevor yet dist upgrade with out remote to fix desk top |
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| 00:26.16 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 00:26.36 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: in the initramfs, ext3 is in /proc/filesystems |
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| 00:26.51 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: ok |
| 00:27.08 | simonrvn | that's eliminated... wtf is going on |
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| 00:27.48 | Peaker | hi, any idea why apt-get locks when used with "-d" mode? |
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| 00:28.59 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: /proc/partitions has the right info too... actually wait. it has sda and sdb flipped around... but i should still be able to mount sdb1 from the shell |
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| 00:29.25 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: btw my bios does screwy things to the order of drives |
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| 00:29.51 | SerajewelKS | but again, 2.6.18 does boot |
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| 00:31.47 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: depends what you have for root= |
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| 00:32.12 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: that wouldn't explain why i can't mount anything from the shell though |
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| 00:32.25 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i should be able to mount sdb1 and ^D and have it boot. i can't even do that. |
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| 00:32.37 | fasta | How can I display chm files on Linux containing <font face="symbol">? |
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| 00:33.16 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: it's busybox you can't just go ^d |
| 00:33.37 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: well, exit, whatever... according to the bts anyway |
| 00:33.38 | simonrvn | not IME anyway |
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| 00:34.08 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i'll be damned |
| 00:34.09 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: oh you tried mounting manually? |
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| 00:34.25 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: monting manually fails... but booting root=/dev/sdb1 works... wtf? |
| 00:34.42 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: and why the HELL is the order of my sd* devices different under 2.6.22 |
| 00:34.49 | simonrvn | switched the drive order (AGAIN) |
| 00:35.11 | simonrvn | it's like the 3rd time they've done that, and i think more ... FFS |
| 00:35.12 | SerajewelKS | you know for all the issues with ide at least the drive ordering is consistent.. sheesh |
| 00:35.49 | SerajewelKS | ok what's the most graceful way to deal with this then |
| 00:35.52 | simonrvn | i run on scsi on some of my machines... i've seen this too often to be tolerant of it anymore |
| 00:36.09 | SerajewelKS | aside from taking a baseball bat to my friendly neighborhood kernel developer |
| 00:36.12 | simonrvn | edit bootloader conf |
| 00:36.36 | simonrvn | a polite but firm email to LKML about it |
| 00:36.39 | SerajewelKS | is there no way i can tell the kernel what order i want them in? |
| 00:37.09 | simonrvn | yeh, gotta go look at kernelparams.txt for the options (or look at the source) |
| 00:37.25 | simonrvn | or bootparams ... has 'params' in it |
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| 00:37.51 | SerajewelKS | is there a way to uniquely identify a drive to the kernel that's specific to the drive itself, not where it's plugged? |
| 00:38.02 | simonrvn | kernel-parameters.txt |
| 00:38.07 | simonrvn | UUID |
| 00:38.24 | SerajewelKS | hrm that doesn't fix fstab though... jesus |
| 00:38.27 | simonrvn | UUID=the_uuid_of_the_partition |
| 00:38.42 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: that will work in root= too? |
| 00:38.43 | simonrvn | no makes it damned fugly ;) |
| 00:39.13 | simonrvn | i think so yes |
| 00:39.24 | SerajewelKS | it's a good thing the swap fs driver doesn't mount shit if it's not a swap or i'd have so many hosed partitions right now |
| 00:39.42 | simonrvn | fuck yeh, tell me about it... |
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| 00:40.15 | simonrvn | i ate too much :| |
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| 00:40.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | Who wants to help me undo something rather stupid I did?; A few months ago, I ran Bastille to increase the security of my desktop computer. Part of what bastile did is made single-user-mode require the root password. Now, I was on holiday for a month, and forgot my desktop's passwords. |
| 00:40.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm using my laptop now. |
| 00:40.50 | simonrvn | i'm usually craeful to pay attention to my hunger state, so i don't eat too much, but i was really fricking hungry |
| 00:40.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | How do I go in and change the password? |
| 00:41.03 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i usually err on the other side |
| 00:41.17 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i don't notice i'm hungry until it hurts, then i eat enough to quiet my stomach down |
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| 00:41.31 | SerajewelKS | which is usually a glass of milk and a sandwich or two |
| 00:41.54 | simonrvn | i notice it, when my tummy gurgles, then i eat =). |
| 00:42.10 | SerajewelKS | yeah but sometimes i don't even notice it rumble |
| 00:42.14 | simonrvn | Dark_Apostrophe: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
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| 00:43.08 | simonrvn | Dark_Apostrophe: bastille doesn't do that anyway, it always asks for passwd (only ubuntu and some others don't). used to be that you had to enable that manually. i believe it's default now |
| 00:43.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | simonrvn: |
| 00:43.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | thanks :) |
| 00:43.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | ok |
| 00:43.36 | simonrvn | np |
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| 00:43.57 | GhostlyDeath | hey, where is my fonts folder? |
| 00:43.58 | simonrvn | afl |
| 00:43.59 | simonrvn | k |
| 00:44.06 | simonrvn | !folder |
| 00:44.06 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 00:44.09 | simonrvn | ~/.fonts |
| 00:44.10 | apt | /.fonts is, like, for fontconfig'ed apps, like gimp-2.0 and newest scribus |
| 00:44.36 | GhostlyDeath | simonrvn: folder is faster than directory |
| 00:44.42 | GhostlyDeath | but there's also dir |
| 00:45.03 | GhostlyDeath | plus what's the big deal as long as you know what one means |
| 00:45.03 | SerajewelKS | directory is tons easier to type on dvorak :) |
| 00:45.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | Or colemak :) |
| 00:46.18 | SerajewelKS | woot finally back in X |
| 00:46.26 | GhostlyDeath | !damn X |
| 00:46.38 | SerajewelKS | pretty much |
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| 00:48.57 | GhostlyDeath | hmm in /usr/share/fonts/truetype do subfolders matter? |
| 00:48.59 | SerajewelKS | hmm now alsa is upset |
| 00:49.07 | GhostlyDeath | !damn alsa |
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| 00:50.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | !damn OSS |
| 00:50.23 | SerajewelKS | i ran alsaconf but i get No such device for everything... mixer, etc |
| 00:50.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | !hug ALSA |
| 00:51.04 | GhostlyDeath | !hug Microsoft Windows |
| 00:51.05 | SerajewelKS | huh, i have no /dev/svn |
| 00:51.08 | GhostlyDeath | =P |
| 00:51.42 | Hoxzer | :O |
| 00:51.46 | zamuro | !kiss Windows Vista |
| 00:51.50 | SerajewelKS | snd rather |
| 00:52.01 | SerajewelKS | !msg the bot |
| 00:52.25 | dpkg | it has been said that msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
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| 00:53.47 | SerajewelKS | weird it just popped up |
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| 00:55.18 | apk | I have installed a few modules with module-assistant since making my kernel with make-kpkg. I want to make a new kernel with make-kpkg. How do I get it to _not_ try to make the modules that I made with m-a? |
| 00:56.29 | cafuego | apk: it won't, by default |
| 00:56.36 | cafuego | , as they're not in the ekrnel source tree. |
| 00:56.55 | apk | cafuego: When I make-kpkg, it gives me errors about them though. |
| 00:57.09 | Bogus8 | ata2.01: qc timeout (cmd 0xa1) |
| 00:57.09 | Bogus8 | ata2.01: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x4) |
| 00:57.09 | Bogus8 | ata2: failed to recover some devices, retrying in 5 secs |
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| 00:57.16 | Bogus8 | why am i getting that on boot? |
| 00:57.25 | Bogus8 | makes booting PAINFULLY slow |
| 00:57.28 | linux2 | anyone else here having trouble with the nvidia module on debian unstable |
| 00:57.29 | rrbiz | hmm, i dl w32codecs and amarok can't play mp3, any ideas ? |
| 00:57.36 | linux2 | my system keeps locking up if i use any opengl apps |
| 00:57.41 | Bogus8 | it repeats several times |
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| 00:58.03 | SerajewelKS | well that was easy |
| 00:58.07 | SerajewelKS | easier than i thought rather |
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| 00:58.47 | rm | hi, how to find out which is the latest version of a programm with apt-cache search ? |
| 00:59.43 | SerajewelKS | rm: apt-cache policy packagename |
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| 01:00.14 | rrbiz | how about apt-cache search and get details of the package ? |
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| 01:00.48 | snowbird | ahh |
| 01:01.09 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! I have the 2st DVD of this release: Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 "Etch" - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20070407. Is it too much different from this one: debian-testing-i386-DVD-1.iso.torrent 28-May-2007 ? Thanks (How does it install on Toshiba Satellite A200 serires? Does all the major features of the laptop work in it? Thanks again!) |
| 01:01.42 | Guerin | K_Dallas: very different. if you want to know about your laptop, visit linux-laptop.net |
| 01:01.57 | Guerin | K_Dallas: though anecdotally people seem to be having trouble with the audio on that laptop |
| 01:02.22 | K_Dallas | Guerin, i have seen that site but nothing even close to my system |
| 01:02.31 | Guerin | well, it's pretty new |
| 01:02.37 | K_Dallas | yes :( |
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| 01:03.02 | K_Dallas | Guerin, so you suggest me to download the new etch instead of the one I have already on DVD? |
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| 01:03.14 | Guerin | K_Dallas: no use the one you have |
| 01:03.14 | K_Dallas | ooops, sorry |
| 01:03.23 | zu22 | is there a guie for mplayer? i searched in apt-cache for testing but it only has 'mplayer' package which seems to be just console application |
| 01:03.24 | K_Dallas | i paste the wrong link |
| 01:03.28 | zu22 | s/guie/gui |
| 01:03.30 | K_Dallas | i didn't want to paste the testing one |
| 01:03.32 | snowbird | how do u make freinds list in ksirc |
| 01:03.39 | Bogus8 | zu22: gmplayer |
| 01:03.41 | Bogus8 | ? |
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| 01:03.48 | Guerin | K_Dallas: regardless, use the 4.0 release |
| 01:03.52 | zu22 | Bogus8: ok i will search for that |
| 01:03.55 | K_Dallas | Guerin, thanks, will do so |
| 01:04.14 | zu22 | Bogus8: no such package in testing |
| 01:04.56 | Guerin | zu22: it's probably installed already |
| 01:04.59 | Bogus8 | zu22: I'm installing mplayer now and it showed the package "skin-blue" I would think it's gui |
| 01:05.25 | apk | cafuego: Oh, never mind. I misread the man page. |
| 01:05.26 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.43 | Bogus8 | yep |
| 01:05.48 | Bogus8 | I just checked and gmplayer ran |
| 01:05.58 | Bogus8 | and I just installed this system and mplayer |
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| 01:06.19 | Bogus8 | ata2.01: qc timeout (cmd 0xa1) |
| 01:06.23 | Bogus8 | ata2.01: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x4) |
| 01:06.27 | Bogus8 | ata2: failed to recover some devices, retrying in 5 secs |
| 01:06.30 | Guerin | !i/o error |
| 01:06.30 | dpkg | it has been said that i/o error is if you get i/o errors chances are your medium is bad. Replace your drives or disks, preferably before they eat all your data. Check seating of cables on drives and controllers as well. |
| 01:07.04 | Bogus8 | Guerin: I'm pretty certain that my drive is good... in fact my hd is considered ata1 I think |
| 01:07.19 | Bogus8 | this is a laptop (Toshiba Tecra M3 |
| 01:07.30 | Wyzard | Bogus8: "ata2" isn't a version number, it's the second ATA controller recognized by the kernel |
| 01:07.34 | Guerin | Bogus8: follow the rest of the instructions |
| 01:07.42 | Wyzard | the "secondary" IDE channel |
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| 01:07.49 | zu22 | Bogus8: i have that package installed but how do i load it? |
| 01:07.59 | Guerin | Bogus8: oh, in that case, it seems likely your cd drive or disk is busted |
| 01:08.00 | Bogus8 | zu22: gmplayer |
| 01:08.13 | zu22 | Bogus8: thanks |
| 01:08.16 | Bogus8 | Guerin: drive works and no disk in it :( |
| 01:08.34 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: I undertood that... the first device is my hd |
| 01:08.45 | Wyzard | Bogus8: oh, I see what you mean |
| 01:08.49 | zu22 | Guerin: thanks too |
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| 01:08.58 | Bogus8 | ata1 is hd, just double checked dmesg for sure |
| 01:09.41 | snowbird | slowed down must be bed time |
| 01:10.14 | Bogus8 | ata2 is definitely my cdrom as it shows ATAPI |
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| 01:12.02 | Bogus8 | obviously the cd drive is good... I installed from it ;) |
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| 01:13.17 | Wyzard | Bogus8: My laptop's CD drive spews a bunch of warning messages ("HSM violation") during boot, but then works fine |
| 01:13.29 | Wyzard | Bogus8: If your drive is working, I'd say don't worry about the message |
| 01:13.36 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: I wouldn't care if it just spit the errors out but it causes painful delays |
| 01:13.41 | Wyzard | ah |
| 01:13.56 | Bogus8 | it spits that out 3 or 4 times taking a while to get through each one |
| 01:14.17 | Wyzard | not too surprising... the message says it lost communication with the drive |
| 01:14.56 | Bogus8 | anyway I can tell it to skip and do later when it wouldn't interupt or maybe to just "do it" and disregard errors |
| 01:15.15 | Bogus8 | or just plain background the task completely |
| 01:15.23 | Wyzard | I had something similar happen on a hard drive recently, actually... intermittent SATA timeouts that caused it to reset the controller every few hours, and eventually it failed to re-establish communication and the drive dropped out of my RAID array |
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| 01:16.55 | Wyzard | oddly, *after* that happened, then the timeouts started happening on *another* drive instead |
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| 01:18.37 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: that is crazy... |
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| 01:18.47 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 01:19.15 | Wyzard | The other drive dropped out of the array two hours later, though not because of the timeouts -- turns out it had bad sectors |
| 01:19.26 | Wyzard | left me with a 3-drive RAID-5 with two drives failed |
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| 01:20.06 | Wyzard | Fortunately the first drive that failed out is physically fine, all data intact, just two hours out-of-date |
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| 01:20.34 | Wyzard | so I was able to recover the array with minimal data loss (only one file was modified during that two hours, and fsck had to delete that) |
| 01:20.42 | Wyzard | and the timeouts haven't happened again since then |
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| 01:21.48 | solemnwarning | When I have a .js file loaded into kate it takes ages to close files and CPU usage spikes to 100% while closing and it sometimes freezes with CPU at 100% until I kill it |
| 01:22.01 | solemnwarning | Is it a bug in kate/KDE or somthing to do with my machine? |
| 01:22.21 | speaker219 | Can someone help me? I'm running debian etch and I need to know if it's possible to stop gnome from running at startup and start up xfce4 instead. Please help. |
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| 01:22.43 | solemnwarning | speaker219: Install gdm or kdm |
| 01:22.47 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: that's some shitty luck (well, in a way) |
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| 01:22.52 | speaker219 | solemnwarning, what do you mean? |
| 01:22.58 | solemnwarning | Install gdm or kdm |
| 01:22.59 | speaker219 | i *don't* want gnome to start? |
| 01:23.11 | speaker219 | isn't that the gnome desktop manager? |
| 01:23.19 | solemnwarning | Install gdm or kdm and select the DE you want from the logon screen |
| 01:23.28 | solemnwarning | They're logon managers |
| 01:23.31 | Bogus8 | speaker219: it's a desktop "manager" |
| 01:23.32 | speaker219 | oh ok |
| 01:23.36 | speaker219 | how do i set that up? |
| 01:23.39 | speaker219 | i have GDM installed |
| 01:23.42 | solemnwarning | Install one.... |
| 01:23.44 | speaker219 | how to i change the settings |
| 01:23.55 | solemnwarning | Select the DE you want on the login screen |
| 01:23.58 | Bogus8 | I think at the log on screen it has some options |
| 01:24.06 | Bogus8 | (I just started really using X this week) |
| 01:24.09 | speaker219 | no it doesn't |
| 01:24.12 | speaker219 | i just have the choice of |
| 01:24.17 | speaker219 | standard session |
| 01:24.21 | speaker219 | failsafe GNOME |
| 01:24.24 | speaker219 | failsafe terminal |
| 01:24.31 | Wyzard | speaker219: Then XFCE isn't installed |
| 01:24.53 | speaker219 | wait |
| 01:25.04 | speaker219 | ok, if its there, can i set it as default? |
| 01:25.21 | Wyzard | Just select it, and GDM will ask you whether it should be the default |
| 01:25.23 | speaker219 | because now, every time i restart, it doesn't keep the settings and i have to do it again |
| 01:25.26 | Wyzard | IIRC |
| 01:25.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | what's the quickest way to determine the file system of a SATA HDD? |
| 01:25.50 | speaker219 | hold on, let me try it |
| 01:25.52 | Wyzard | Dark_Apostrophe: Run "file -s" on whatever partition you're interested in |
| 01:25.58 | Wyzard | Dark_Apostrophe: The fact that it's SATA is irrelevant |
| 01:26.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | ok |
| 01:26.05 | Bogus8 | Dark_Apostrophe: fdisk -l ? |
| 01:26.13 | solemnwarning | It's the same for any block device |
| 01:26.23 | solemnwarning | Any ideas about my kate problem? |
| 01:27.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | Wyzard: Thanks. Bogus8: Wyzard's suggestion worked, but thanks anyway :) |
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| 01:27.58 | Bogus8 | Dark_Apostrophe: no problem... that's how I look at things |
| 01:28.07 | Wyzard | Bogus8: That'll tell you the "type" code stored in the partition table, but that's not the same as the filesystem type |
| 01:28.12 | Bogus8 | gives you an oversite on all drives and what block dev it is |
| 01:28.37 | Wyzard | Bogus8: Linux partitions will generally have a type of 0x83 ("Linux") regardless of whether they're ext3, reiserfs, XFS, etc. |
| 01:28.45 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: true... I'm usually just looking to see which block dev an ntfs partition is when recovering a system |
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| 01:29.21 | Wyzard | Bogus8: and it doesn't actually have any relationship to the partition's contents... you could make a partition whose type code says it's FAT32, and then put ext3 in it |
| 01:29.32 | Bogus8 | true |
| 01:29.47 | Bogus8 | though I didn't realize that but upon thinking about it that makes sense |
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| 01:36.51 | jair | anyone from the channel went to the linux world conference in San Francisco? |
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| 01:40.49 | tofaffy | I hate a sarge version of the net install, if I were to just install everything, would I be able to update to the latest version with like th3e updater built in or w/e |
| 01:41.21 | Bogus8 | tofaffy: why not just download the etchy net installer? |
| 01:41.39 | tofaffy | Because I can't get my floppy drive to work, and I have no cd burner |
| 01:41.45 | Bogus8 | ouch |
| 01:41.48 | tofaffy | yeah |
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| 01:41.59 | Bogus8 | no access to one period? |
| 01:42.03 | Bogus8 | neighbor/friend? |
| 01:42.07 | tofaffy | I know, but my mom is supposed to get me a dvd burner for my 13th birthday the 13th this month...so...yeah |
| 01:42.11 | tofaffy | but will I be able to just upgrade? |
| 01:42.15 | tofaffy | no access period |
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| 01:42.50 | tofaffy | Bogus8, do you think i'd be able to just upgrade and it will be the latest after the upgrades? |
| 01:42.51 | Bogus8 | tofaffy: I really don't know... I'm pretty new to debian... dist-upgrade is supposed to do that I *think* but I'm rather ignorant |
| 01:42.56 | tofaffy | ahh, okay |
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| 01:43.02 | tofaffy | yeah, thats how it is in ubuntu so I think it'll work |
| 01:44.38 | Tobizaz | no |
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| 01:49.58 | Heebie | Hi. linux-modules-2.6.15 doesn't seem to be available via apt anymore.. does anyone know a repository that one might snarf it from? |
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| 01:51.16 | pingouin_ | hello, got a X problem, dont launch. go back to console, with Backtrace , Debian Etch. any clue/help please ? |
| 01:51.19 | Wyzard | Heebie: That's because 2.6.15 isn't in Debian anymore... 2.6.18 is the supported kernel in etch |
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| 01:52.13 | Heebie | I have a machine in production with 2.6.15 that I need a module for.. so I want to try & find a .deb of the 2.6.15 modules. |
| 01:52.16 | phenom | . |
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| 01:52.25 | Wyzard | Heebie: You're running testing/unstable on a production machine? |
| 01:52.41 | Heebie | Not by choice..the machine was around before I started working here. |
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| 01:53.14 | Wyzard | Heebie: Well, it sounds like a testing snapshot from before etch was released, so ideally you should just upgrade it to etch |
| 01:53.26 | Heebie | I can't restart the box. |
| 01:53.33 | Wyzard | Heebie: but if you can't do that, and absolutely must keep using 2.6.15, http://snapshot.debian.net/ might be useful |
| 01:53.49 | pingouin_ | what are the package that the installer of Debian Etch put ? i surely miss them, cause the installer freeze, so i re-installed then pass this part |
| 01:53.56 | Heebie | Looks interesting Wyzard. :) Thanks! =D |
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| 02:01.46 | snowbird | evey one asleep |
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| 02:03.21 | alanhaggai | How can I change the name of the drives shown in my desktop like '30.0 GB Volume (3)' to something else? |
| 02:03.23 | alanhaggai | I am using Gnome as the desktop environment. |
| 02:04.23 | snowbird | gnome oh has less than kde |
| 02:04.34 | snowbird | i run kde but some things are gnom |
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| 02:08.51 | jair | there is anyone here with experience making a debian package? |
| 02:08.56 | jair | I have a question about it |
| 02:09.12 | jair | can I create packages using the etch version of debian? |
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| 02:10.35 | rocketmagnet | hi, where can i set the program used when clicking on email and the one for links (so i have opera not firefox as default) |
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| 02:15.04 | snowbird | don't realy know that |
| 02:15.16 | rocketmagnet | i'm using gnome |
| 02:16.03 | snowbird | arts sounds made my pc crash and not boot up so i wil nevor ahve arts in linux box evor again |
| 02:16.39 | Wyzard | snowbird: umm... aRts made your PC unable to boot? |
| 02:16.56 | rocketmagnet | that's was bad, but there are so many people having goog experience with linux and graphic |
| 02:16.58 | Wyzard | snowbird: I think you're misinterpreting the cause of whatever problem you had |
| 02:17.30 | Wyzard | rocketmagnet: System -> Preferences -> Preferred Applications |
| 02:17.32 | rocketmagnet | i also don't think that a sound can hurt a system =) |
| 02:17.33 | snowbird | oh now i was jsut exping whay mine was crashing |
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| 02:18.06 | rocketmagnet | Wyzard: ty |
| 02:18.16 | snowbird | when they fight they casue trouble |
| 02:18.42 | snowbird | like cat and dog in a box |
| 02:18.53 | snowbird | sometimes they fight sometimes not |
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| 02:21.04 | alanhaggai | snowbird, any way to rename the desktop entries? |
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| 02:22.46 | Rizz0-X | evening, does anyone have a repository i can go to to get PyQT? |
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| 02:23.17 | rocketmagnet | gn8 all |
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| 02:23.26 | NetGangsta | how to disable iptables in debian ? |
| 02:24.47 | snowbird | i don't know |
| 02:25.02 | snowbird | package manajor shows ip tables |
| 02:25.09 | snowbird | maybe that way |
| 02:25.28 | snowbird | or firewall can turn em off |
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| 02:29.53 | NetGangsta | ok |
| 02:31.08 | DavidProck1981 | on this link ftp://debian.cites.uiuc.edu/pub/debian-cd/ is there any difference from 4.0_r0/ and current/ ??? |
| 02:31.31 | snowbird | yeah new one is stable that new is betta |
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| 02:33.59 | DavidProck1981 | snowbird but when i follow on through with the link it is debian-40r0 |
| 02:34.19 | DavidProck1981 | on the current one |
| 02:34.20 | snowbird | link for waht |
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| 02:34.46 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:34.52 | DavidProck1981 | was* |
| 02:35.27 | Acu | I have a 150 GB Hard Disk 1.5 GB RAM - I want to run it as a web server running 5 websites (will have PostgreSQL PHP5) - what is the best partitioning scheme ? |
| 02:35.37 | DavidProck1981 | ok ill give the ful links one sec |
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| 02:37.16 | DavidProck1981 | is there any difference between these .iso's http://debian.cites.uiuc.edu/pub/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso AND http://debian.cites.uiuc.edu/pub/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 02:38.56 | Rothgar | If I want to use custom configuration of a package can I use apt-get or should I just download the source and compile? |
| 02:39.20 | apk | I want linux-image-*-bigmem if I have more than 1Gb |
| 02:39.23 | apk | ? |
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| 02:40.46 | snowbird | top link is curent one |
| 02:40.55 | snowbird | second one older |
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| 02:41.19 | DavidProck1981 | what is the difference from them thow |
| 02:41.33 | DavidProck1981 | is one of then unstable |
| 02:41.45 | snowbird | could tell u that |
| 02:41.56 | snowbird | one curent would have me thinking more fixed |
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| 02:45.09 | blahdeblah | cron and a few other utilities on my server have started giving errors recently: http://rafb.net/p/oYrOIk33.html |
| 02:45.09 | blahdeblah | I can't think of anything i've done that might cause this - any ideas on how to fix? |
| 02:45.46 | neofpo | try perl on the command line |
| 02:45.55 | neofpo | does it give you the same error? |
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| 02:46.52 | blahdeblah | perl -le 'print scalar localtime;' seems to work fine |
| 02:47.30 | neofpo | try putting env command on cron, and compare its environment with the one on the command line |
| 02:47.36 | neofpo | something might be wrong |
| 02:47.48 | neofpo | which is breaking the locale settings |
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| 02:48.13 | blahdeblah | The stupid thing is, /etc/default/locale has LANG=C, not LANG=en_AU. |
| 02:48.20 | blahdeblah | I don't know where it's getting that from. |
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| 02:48.34 | snowbird | maybe some broke in and changed settings |
| 02:48.55 | neofpo | rty |
| 02:48.56 | neofpo | try |
| 02:49.00 | neofpo | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 02:49.05 | neofpo | or package localeconf |
| 02:49.07 | neofpo | might help |
| 02:49.08 | rrbiz | i got w32codecs but still can't play mp3's or other streams, someone know what's up? |
| 02:49.20 | neofpo | with mplayer? |
| 02:49.21 | blahdeblah | neofpo: OK - will check it out |
| 02:49.29 | rrbiz | with amarok |
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| 02:49.54 | neofpo | can be many things, but w32 does not affect amarok afaik |
| 02:51.20 | rrbiz | can't play last.fm which uses mp3, or from radio streams which not sure but say's aol streams |
| 02:51.45 | Wyzard | This is kinda weird... for some reason 3D screensavers on my laptop (Intel GMA900 GPU) are running really slow and pegging the CPU, as if they're using software OpenGL... yet glxinfo says it's using direct rendering, and Quake 3 runs fine |
| 02:51.47 | rrbiz | thought it was all bundleded with w32 |
| 02:51.51 | snowbird | i was on stream tuner and tehr cancelling a station cause of copy rights |
| 02:51.53 | DavidProck1981 | rrbiz tri mocp to play mp3's |
| 02:52.42 | Wyzard | snowbird: That's because of recent legislation in the US that changes the rules for Internet radio stations |
| 02:52.48 | rrbiz | wonder if they're detecting who's pulling from them what they use |
| 02:52.55 | stoned | how long should fsck.ext3 -a take on 500gb disk |
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| 02:53.21 | Wyzard | stoned: depends on how full it is, and how fast the drives are, but shouldn't be more than a few hours at most |
| 02:53.21 | DavidProck1981 | once u install it open a terminal ant type mocp and when it is open press h |
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| 02:53.23 | neofpo | about 30min |
| 02:53.31 | stoned | whoah |
| 02:53.33 | stoned | few hours? |
| 02:53.33 | neofpo | (fsck) |
| 02:53.34 | stoned | fuck |
| 02:53.40 | neofpo | may be 1h |
| 02:53.47 | stoned | its full |
| 02:53.52 | Wyzard | stoned: as an upper bound... 30-60min is a reasonable guess too |
| 02:53.54 | stoned | why does it take that long? |
| 02:54.12 | snowbird | screen si better here than outher pc |
| 02:54.19 | stoned | its not doing a physical scan is it? |
| 02:54.28 | neofpo | no |
| 02:54.31 | snowbird | what happend stoned |
| 02:54.34 | neofpo | unless you use -b |
| 02:54.36 | stoned | notthing |
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| 02:54.45 | Acu | how big the /tmp partition should be ? |
| 02:54.47 | stoned | I couldn't write to my ext3 disk in windows xp |
| 02:54.49 | Wyzard | no, but big filesystems have a lot of bookkeeping data that needs to be checked for consistency |
| 02:54.52 | neofpo | about mp3... I am not sure what may be the cause... |
| 02:54.56 | snowbird | what laws? |
| 02:54.57 | stoned | so I booted a live cd |
| 02:54.57 | neofpo | depends... |
| 02:55.08 | neofpo | but at least 250M would be a bood start |
| 02:55.11 | stoned | now im scanning my disk and it has tons of errors |
| 02:55.12 | neofpo | or more... |
| 02:55.30 | snowbird | what live cd what u scaning for |
| 02:55.46 | stoned | its ubuntu |
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| 02:55.52 | snowbird | ahh |
| 02:55.55 | Wyzard | snowbird: They're now required to pay a *lot* more in royalties, more than terrestrial radio stations have to pay, and many stations would have to play 95% ads and 5% music just to break even now |
| 02:56.30 | snowbird | i went to up date someting said to old to update |
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| 02:56.30 | stoned | this is for my desktop though |
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| 02:56.41 | snowbird | stoned i almost lost my os today |
| 02:56.57 | stoned | I'm just not satisfied with any os |
| 02:57.01 | stoned | its pissing me off |
| 02:57.08 | snowbird | ubuntu |
| 02:57.14 | pingouin_ | damn, how is it possible that a mouse cause backtrace in xorg/X and avoid me to lauch it ?! i've change my mouse for a 'classic' cord one, and X/nvidia goes on..... ?!! |
| 02:57.17 | stoned | I like debian gnu/linux, but it doesn't play a lot of games I want |
| 02:57.28 | stoned | I like windows cuz its easy to play games on, but it sucks as a desktop os |
| 02:57.37 | stoned | I can't figure out what to do |
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| 02:57.42 | snowbird | i lost sound when got another card booted up finily got dek top (arts sound server crashed) |
| 02:57.51 | stoned | I got 3 machiens |
| 02:57.55 | stoned | im set i guess |
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| 02:58.03 | Wyzard | stoned: I use a separate computer for Windows games... Debian on the main desktop, Windows on the gaming box |
| 02:58.10 | stoned | Wyzard: same here |
| 02:58.18 | snowbird | went to put old card back flashed name of new one over and over finily got back up took arts off |
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| 02:58.30 | snowbird | i use one pc for someting another with deb |
| 02:58.38 | snowbird | if one goes down i got another |
| 02:58.44 | DavidProck1981 | WoH what the hell is "wall" rin it in a terminal |
| 02:58.51 | DavidProck1981 | run* |
| 02:58.55 | Wyzard | stoned: The main desktop has a better GPU, so I got an external hard drive for the gaming box (eSATA) so if I want to play a new game, I can shut down Debian, move the hard drive over, and boot Windows on the more powerful computer |
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| 02:59.00 | snowbird | go to shell |
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| 02:59.25 | stoned | snowbird: /dev/sdb2: Multiply-claimed block(s) in inode 3965364: 7939275 |
| 02:59.32 | stoned | :( |
| 02:59.32 | snowbird | i cant figure out why my liniux montior aint as sharp as this one its got better video card |
| 02:59.55 | snowbird | what is that check disk? |
| 03:00.06 | Wyzard | snowbird: Sharpness of picture is determined mostly by the monitor, not the video card |
| 03:00.09 | stoned | snowbird: are you feeling ok? |
| 03:00.16 | Wyzard | snowbird: assuming it's a CRT |
| 03:00.17 | snowbird | ired |
| 03:00.24 | snowbird | its a crt |
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| 03:00.45 | snowbird | i need better router then il give deb its own lcd |
| 03:01.22 | inaety | snowbird: routers are 50 USD? |
| 03:01.37 | snowbird | ok well there 100 can |
| 03:02.00 | snowbird | i want one with built in pppoe modem and 4 port router |
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| 03:02.33 | pacmac | hello |
| 03:02.35 | stoned | hi |
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| 03:02.58 | pacmac | I can't find that file konqueror-nsplugins_3.5.6.dfsg.1-2_i386.deb, any idea of where can i get it? |
| 03:03.13 | snowbird | what is that for |
| 03:03.25 | stoned | pacmac: apt-get install konqueror-nsplugins |
| 03:03.34 | pacmac | I'm on Gentoo |
| 03:03.44 | snowbird | what are nsplugins |
| 03:03.47 | stoned | !pdo |
| 03:03.47 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 03:03.49 | inaety | pacmac: packages.debian.org |
| 03:04.11 | pacmac | thanks |
| 03:04.34 | SerajewelKS | do i need to do something to let a linux process use more than one CPU at a time? i'm using crafty and even if i tell it to use two threads for SMP the benchmark shows the same performance as one thread, and top shows only one cpu at 100%. |
| 03:04.47 | snowbird | netscape |
| 03:05.03 | stoned | netscape plugins |
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| 03:05.28 | snowbird | getting wiser |
| 03:05.46 | neofpo | in theory, linux kernel does load balancing over different process, not different threads |
| 03:05.56 | neofpo | also you need an SMP kernel |
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| 03:06.13 | stoned | hey any crazy gurus here? |
| 03:06.14 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: If the program isn't multithreaded then it can only use one processor |
| 03:06.23 | snowbird | is creatrive labs they best for linux |
| 03:06.25 | neofpo | one here |
| 03:06.25 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: it is multithreaded, that's the option i set |
| 03:06.33 | snowbird | has more drivers than any thing else |
| 03:06.35 | SerajewelKS | neofpo: and the stock debian kernels are smp |
| 03:06.36 | stoned | where would inode 34849040 be in a 500gb ext3 volume? |
| 03:06.58 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: If it's threaded, each thread can run on a separate processor, concurrently |
| 03:07.01 | neofpo | an inode is only a logical addressing to a file |
| 03:07.03 | stoned | I'm just trying to get an idea of how much of the fsck is done |
| 03:07.08 | stoned | there is like no idication |
| 03:07.23 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: yes, but they're not |
| 03:07.33 | neofpo | try with |
| 03:07.41 | Wyzard | stoned: You could run e2fsck with the "-v -C0" options |
| 03:07.45 | neofpo | e2fsck -vC0 /dev/whatever |
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| 03:07.50 | neofpo | -C0 gives percentage |
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| 03:07.56 | TrueDD | gn all |
| 03:07.57 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: then maybe it's not really threading itself |
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| 03:08.16 | neofpo | thread is one thing, a process os other |
| 03:08.26 | neofpo | SMS load balance process, not threads |
| 03:08.31 | neofpo | (afaik) |
| 03:08.31 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: nevermind found the issue |
| 03:08.53 | snowbird | how d i tell debain to see usb things |
| 03:08.57 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: that setting doesn't take effect until you start a new game, so i had to tell crafty "new" *after* setting the number of threads |
| 03:09.10 | Wyzard | ah |
| 03:09.12 | snowbird | tehn light up like sound card but cant find em |
| 03:09.24 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: just some silly undocumented nonsense :) |
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| 03:10.10 | neofpo | what is to "see usb". Like an USB powered glasses? |
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| 03:13.02 | snowbird | rottie here wants someting i got a bowl and water tray and box of bones |
| 03:13.13 | snowbird | maybe i better go give her someting |
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| 03:15.58 | stoned | yeh |
| 03:16.03 | stoned | go give the dog a bone |
| 03:16.04 | stoned | hehe |
| 03:16.14 | snowbird | yeah she 180 pounds |
| 03:16.21 | stoned | holy shit |
| 03:16.25 | stoned | what kinda dog is this man |
| 03:16.31 | snowbird | rottie |
| 03:16.36 | stoned | rotwiler? |
| 03:16.44 | snowbird | talk to her 20 min to get in truck |
| 03:16.51 | stoned | what? |
| 03:16.55 | snowbird | talk to her threw door to get in my own house |
| 03:16.59 | stoned | what the shizboot are you talking about |
| 03:17.09 | snowbird | shes a watch dog |
| 03:17.12 | stoned | oh |
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| 03:17.21 | snowbird | you cant get in truck if shes in cab alone |
| 03:17.24 | stoned | I thought you were talking about a prostitute for a second |
| 03:17.32 | snowbird | lol |
| 03:17.36 | stoned | hehe |
| 03:17.39 | snowbird | 180 pound that is fat |
| 03:17.45 | stoned | yes |
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| 03:17.58 | snowbird | rottie can rund 50 kph |
| 03:18.04 | snowbird | you better run |
| 03:18.19 | apk | Am I crazy, or is ATI giving the wrong drivers on their website - 64bit to everybody? |
| 03:18.25 | snowbird | snuggled up at my feet is adobermin pincher |
| 03:18.39 | snowbird | aati was bought bye amd |
| 03:18.46 | snowbird | there screwed driers |
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| 03:19.01 | snowbird | u might need difernt card |
| 03:19.07 | SerajewelKS | !u |
| 03:19.07 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 03:19.27 | snowbird | you you you |
| 03:19.43 | snowbird | any how |
| 03:19.52 | neofpo | ATI SSSSSSSSSSUUUUUUUUXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX A LOT |
| 03:19.55 | neofpo | NEVER MORE |
| 03:19.59 | neofpo | all buggy drivers |
| 03:20.05 | snowbird | i forget the alst time ati ahd good drivers |
| 03:20.11 | snowbird | use a nvida |
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| 03:20.39 | SerajewelKS | jeez am i the only one here who can type without misspelling every other word |
| 03:20.41 | snowbird | at distupdate il likely need a ned card and remote to get my kde back |
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| 03:20.58 | putterson | is your keyboard broken? |
| 03:21.02 | apk | snowbird: I know I know. But this is the hardware I have. |
| 03:21.05 | stoned | SerajewelKS: please stop being a dick. |
| 03:21.08 | neofpo | I have a nvidia on my desktop |
| 03:21.10 | snowbird | nope dixlia |
| 03:21.19 | neofpo | but on my notebook is a full buggy ati hardware... |
| 03:21.20 | putterson | snowbird, oh sorry |
| 03:21.26 | snowbird | neofpo change cards |
| 03:21.30 | Bogus8 | for compiz do I NEED or SHOULD I have in xorg.conf module "Load "GLcore"" I'm using a laptop with an nvidia card |
| 03:21.31 | SerajewelKS | stoned: i like to be able to read what people are saying without pain in the back of my head... |
| 03:21.38 | Bogus8 | it shows it in the wiki but it's also commented out |
| 03:21.45 | Bogus8 | or should I be commenting out the two lines! |
| 03:21.53 | stoned | SerajewelKS: I understand |
| 03:21.54 | Bogus8 | Ah... that and the dri line huh? |
| 03:22.07 | snowbird | its not waht hardware you have its waht works |
| 03:22.24 | apk | snowbird: My employer provides the hardware, so it is what hardware I have. |
| 03:22.31 | snowbird | my outer pc has a spell checker |
| 03:22.42 | snowbird | apk get new boss |
| 03:22.53 | apk | snowbird: I'm working on it. |
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| 03:23.11 | snowbird | i don't work cant find work |
| 03:23.14 | SerajewelKS | what package provides the sun java plugin for iceweasel? i've installed sun-java6-jre from nonfree and iceweasel still doesn't know about it. |
| 03:23.35 | snowbird | java u need java 6 for plug ins |
| 03:23.39 | neofpo | there is a java plugin package |
| 03:23.39 | snowbird | good luck |
| 03:23.50 | snowbird | if u got jva 6 |
| 03:23.50 | SerajewelKS | snowbird: that's what i have |
| 03:24.02 | snowbird | 6 aint out for linux yet |
| 03:24.09 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: sun-java6-plugin |
| 03:24.11 | stoned | yes it is |
| 03:24.11 | Wyzard | snowbird: yes it is |
| 03:24.13 | SerajewelKS | snowbird: btw sorry, i didn't know you were dyslexic. being in this channel you get used to people being sloppy and i thought you were. |
| 03:24.21 | snowbird | then u go to mozzila sight and read abought it |
| 03:24.26 | SerajewelKS | !info sun-java6-plugin |
| 03:24.29 | dpkg | sun-java6-plugin: (The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 6), section non-free/web, is optional. Version: 6-02-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 03:24.30 | apk | If I install linux-source-2.6.21, is it configured the same way that linux-image-2.6.21 is? |
| 03:24.33 | SerajewelKS | huh |
| 03:24.50 | SerajewelKS | i have no candidate |
| 03:25.14 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: amd64? |
| 03:25.17 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: yes |
| 03:25.29 | snowbird | SerajewelKS u get ubuse for that |
| 03:25.31 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: Sun does not provide a 64-bit Java plugin, oddly |
| 03:25.41 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: hmm, how about ia32-sun-java6-bin |
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| 03:26.02 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: or am i fucked if i want to use java on 64bit |
| 03:26.04 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: That's a standalone JRE, not a browser plugin |
| 03:26.05 | neofpo | of course |
| 03:26.07 | snowbird | bin is the way |
| 03:26.10 | neofpo | there is NO FF 64 yet |
| 03:26.16 | neofpo | only extra-official builds |
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| 03:26.26 | SerajewelKS | i can deal with 32 bit java |
| 03:26.36 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: You might be able to get the 32-bit Java plugin to load using nspluginwrapper, like flashplugin-nonfree does on amd64, but you'd have to do that manually |
| 03:26.39 | SerajewelKS | i just need to know where, how, etc |
| 03:26.45 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 03:26.45 | snowbird | i wish i ahd omb sound |
| 03:26.56 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: There's no packaged 64-bit Sun Java plugin, sorry |
| 03:27.03 | SerajewelKS | weird |
| 03:27.06 | SerajewelKS | guess i could set up a chroot |
| 03:27.44 | snowbird | i hope tomorow pay day |
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| 03:28.00 | slidesinger | Security question: I need to have a specific user have rw access to the framebuffer and /dev/input/mice. Mode currently 0660 root:root. I see three options: One, chmod 0666. Two, assign that user to the group root. (I think this may open a huge hole, not real salient about this idea.) Three, create a media group, assigning both devices to that group, rw rights are already assigned at the group level. Opinions, please |
| 03:28.36 | Bogus8 | eek, my settings for compiz that I set according to the debian wiki is not working well with my current desktop and compiz --replace doesn't work either |
| 03:28.45 | Bogus8 | my window is locked position and size right now |
| 03:28.52 | apk | If I am going to install the ipw2200 drivers with module-assistant, should I include "Generic IEEE 802.11 Networking Stack" in the kernel? |
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| 03:29.43 | tvynr | slidesinger: I'd definitely go for the third option. It's a lot more controlled. Definitely don't go for the second one; being in group root has all kinds of implications. |
| 03:30.05 | Wyzard | apk: ipw2200 is in the standard kernel... there's really no need to compile it out-of-tree |
| 03:30.49 | apk | Wyzard: Oh. It didn't work for me in 2.6.18. I'll try it in 2.6.21 |
| 03:30.58 | slidesinger | tvynr: so chown root:media should not negatively impact funtionality of those devices? |
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| 03:31.12 | Wyzard | apk: 2.6.18 had it too, though it was an older version |
| 03:31.21 | tvynr | SerajewelKS: AFAIK, there is no 64-bit Sun java plugin at all. You'll need to set up a chroot. |
| 03:31.33 | tvynr | slidesinger: Not AFAIK. |
| 03:31.48 | slidesinger | My thoughts as well. Thank you. |
| 03:31.48 | tvynr | slidesinger: For the X server, they're accessed by the root user. |
| 03:31.51 | tvynr | (I think.) |
| 03:31.52 | Wyzard | apk: 2.6.21 has version 1.2.0 of the driver, so make sure you have the correct firmware file from http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/firmware.php |
| 03:32.18 | slidesinger | tvynr: running framebuffer in a tty |
| 03:32.50 | tvynr | slidesinger: Ah. Nonetheless, I don't *think* it'll cause any problems. |
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| 03:33.01 | apk | This is a lot of hassle just to get my stupid ATI card to work. |
| 03:33.10 | neofpo | sell it if you can |
| 03:33.19 | Wyzard | apk: How is your wireless driver related to your video card? |
| 03:33.23 | neofpo | i can not cut a piece of my notebook to sell it... |
| 03:33.26 | tvynr | If you're particularly concerned, you could put everyone in group root into group media as well. |
| 03:33.45 | apk | Wyzard: I can't use the stock kernel, which I have working now, so I've got to compile my own, and try to get everything to work again. |
| 03:33.47 | Bogus8 | anyone versed in running compiz on debian? |
| 03:33.54 | Wyzard | apk: ah, ok |
| 03:34.06 | slidesinger | tvynr: If it does, I'll shoot you at dawn. (grin) At least I'll have some idea what caused the problems if they occur. |
| 03:34.14 | Wyzard | apk: I know ATI's driver sucks, but I've never heard of having to compile a custom kernel to make it work |
| 03:34.28 | slidesinger | tvynr: Thanks again for being a sounding board. |
| 03:34.49 | tvynr | slidesinger: np; glad to help :) |
| 03:35.26 | apk | Wyzard: The new Debian kernels have paravirt set, which causes the ati drivers to not compile. |
| 03:35.36 | Wyzard | apk: That's fixed in 2.6.22, which is in unstable already |
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| 03:35.40 | neofpo | i had a strange experience with ati |
| 03:35.59 | neofpo | i am now with ubuntu (but same ati drivers). Bugs dropped from 15 to about 5 |
| 03:36.00 | Wyzard | apk: (It was a kernel bug... paravirt wasn't supposed to be GPL-only) |
| 03:36.05 | neofpo | weird |
| 03:36.06 | apk | Wyzard: I'm running testing. Is it okay to pull a kernel from unstable? |
| 03:36.10 | apk | Wyzard: ah. |
| 03:36.11 | Wyzard | apk: yeah, should be fine |
| 03:36.42 | apk | Wyzard: Should I just download the files from packages.debian.org, or is there some trick I can play with my sources.list? |
| 03:37.14 | Wyzard | apk: If you add unstable to sources.list you'll need to configure apt to default to testing, so you don't inadvertently upgrade your whole system |
| 03:37.14 | Bogus8 | my xorg log says "Failed to initialize GLX extensions (Compatiple NVIDIA X driver not found) |
| 03:37.18 | Bogus8 | what can I do about that? |
| 03:37.26 | Bogus8 | that is the problem with compiz |
| 03:37.27 | Wyzard | apk: Alternatively, you could just download the .debs from http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 03:37.42 | apk | Wyzard: I'll give that a shot. Thanks. |
| 03:37.46 | neofpo | man 5 apt_preferences |
| 03:37.50 | Wyzard | Bogus8: Is that when trying to start X, or when trying to start compiz? |
| 03:37.58 | neofpo | you can have both distros on sources list and still be testing |
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| 03:38.11 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: starting X (I have it set in extensions in xorg.conf) |
| 03:38.51 | Bogus8 | well I have "composite" "enabled" as an option IN extensions |
| 03:39.00 | Bogus8 | so maybe that is not related |
| 03:39.30 | Bogus8 | in device I have the option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true" |
| 03:39.33 | apk | Which group are the kernels and drivers in? (http://packages.debian.org/unstable/) |
| 03:39.40 | neofpo | look at gentoo wiki for x set up |
| 03:39.54 | neofpo | they have all set ups for != cards there |
| 03:39.58 | Bogus8 | and under screen option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "true" |
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| 03:40.19 | Bogus8 | that is what I have about GLX other than "load "glx"" |
| 03:40.23 | Bogus8 | obviously |
| 03:40.26 | Wyzard | apk: If you go with the sources.list option, create /etc/apt/apt.conf and put this line in it: APT::Default-Release "testing"; |
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| 03:40.43 | Wyzard | apk: On packages.debian.org, just use the search feature to look up linux-image-2.6.22 |
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| 03:40.48 | neofpo | apk: thats really easier |
| 03:40.54 | Wyzard | apk: and whatever related packages you may need, like linux-headers-2.6.22 |
| 03:40.58 | Dewi | I need some web hosting, and the shared server thing has been pissing me off. Anyone had any experiences with virtualised hosting, perhaps using debian? |
| 03:41.08 | apk | Wyzard: "The Debian search engine has been disabled for now. We're working on it." |
| 03:41.11 | Dewi | this isn't a commercial venture, so nothing too fancy |
| 03:41.55 | Wyzard | apk: http://packages.debian.org/ -- scroll down to the "search package directories" heading, and choose "unstable" in the Distribution dropdown |
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| 03:43.21 | Wyzard | Bogus8: If X doesn't start at all, it's not a problem with AddARGBGLXVisuals", or compiz |
| 03:43.28 | Wyzard | Bogus8: How did you install the nVidia driver? |
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| 03:43.50 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: x starts... just freaks when I run compiz --replace |
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| 03:44.00 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: installed via apt |
| 03:44.10 | Wyzard | oh, I see... I misunderstood what you'd said |
| 03:44.22 | Wyzard | What version of the nVidia driver? |
| 03:44.25 | Bogus8 | compiz complains about the GLX extensions |
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| 03:44.42 | mesof | where can i get xcalc? |
| 03:44.47 | mesof | is it part of any package/ |
| 03:44.49 | mesof | ? |
| 03:44.56 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: how do I tell? |
| 03:44.56 | lfs | Please remember to send $50 to the Kucinich campaign |
| 03:45.03 | Bogus8 | it was just installed from apt tonight |
| 03:45.13 | Wyzard | Bogus8: dpkg -s nvidia-glx |
| 03:45.25 | Wyzard | mesof: "apt-cache search xcalc" turns up x11-utils |
| 03:46.07 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: version 1.0.8776-4 it seems |
| 03:46.44 | Wyzard | Bogus8: hmm... I *think* the 8xxx-series drivers have AIGLX support, though I'm not 100% sure |
| 03:47.00 | Wyzard | I know the 7xxx version in etch doesn't, so that won't work with compiz, but I think 8xxx should be OK |
| 03:47.04 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: I read something about 9xxx actually |
| 03:47.25 | Wyzard | I can't remember whether AIGLX was added in 8xxx or 9xxx |
| 03:47.37 | Wyzard | but unstable has 10xxx, so if it's an AIGLX problem you could grab that |
| 03:47.40 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: how does one go about getting that... I just realized where the 8xxx or 9xxx fits in the version number |
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| 03:48.46 | lfs | where to read the docs for package I just installed using apt-get? |
| 03:48.47 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: what about testing? not sure I want to venture out into unstable yet |
| 03:49.01 | Wyzard | Bogus8: If you have 8776 you're already running testing |
| 03:49.14 | Wyzard | Bogus8: etch (stable) has 7174 |
| 03:49.38 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: hmmm, my sources don't say to use testing.. just etch main non-free contrib |
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| 03:49.59 | lfs | I just installed python-poker-eval but need to know how to start it. |
| 03:50.00 | Wyzard | well, you somehow have testing's version of the nVidia driver installed |
| 03:50.09 | Wyzard | Run "apt-cache policy nvidia-glx" and see what that says |
| 03:51.06 | Bogus8 | non-free |
| 03:51.09 | Wyzard | You'll see a line that says "100 /var/lib/dpkg/status" which means you have the package on your system, but you should also see another line with the repository it's available from |
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| 03:51.20 | Wyzard | probably beginning with 500 |
| 03:51.22 | Wyzard | Paste that line |
| 03:51.34 | Bogus8 | http://ftp.debian.org etch/non-free Packages |
| 03:51.38 | lfs | My system is up to date. |
| 03:52.14 | Wyzard | I was misreading the package info |
| 03:52.20 | Wyzard | 8776 is indeed the version in etch |
| 03:52.25 | lfs | Anybody know where to find docs for a package in debian? |
| 03:52.25 | Wyzard | 7174 was in sarge |
| 03:52.27 | apk | Wyzard: Is loop-aes in the 2.6.22 kernel? I only see packages for 2.6.21 in unsable. |
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| 03:52.39 | Wyzard | apk: dunno, I use dm-crypt |
| 03:52.39 | lfs | I used to know how to do that one there but forgot. |
| 03:52.59 | Wyzard | Bogus8: OK, so 8xxx is the one that lacks AIGLX and you do need 9xxx or newer |
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| 03:53.11 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: it would seem |
| 03:53.15 | Wyzard | Bogus8: Furthermore, the nVidia driver is currently not in testing at all, only unstable |
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| 03:53.18 | lfs | hello? |
| 03:53.27 | apk | Wyzard: Doesn't dm-crypt have some huge security hole? |
| 03:53.29 | Bogus8 | lfs: try using updatedb then locate your app and see if it has a doc somewhere |
| 03:53.53 | lfs | there is a place where the docs go in Debian. |
| 03:53.54 | Wyzard | Bogus8: so you could look up nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx on http://packages.debian.org/ and install them, and then use module-assistant to build the modules |
| 03:53.59 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: ok, so I got no choice if I want to play with compiz it seems |
| 03:54.07 | Wyzard | apk: Not that I've heard of, and it's supported by the etch installer |
| 03:54.11 | lfs | OK I will find it and let you know |
| 03:54.29 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: could I not just add unstable to my sources and install it through apt? |
| 03:54.32 | apk | Wyzard: Oh. I thought there was some big reason to use loop-aes instead of dm-crypt. |
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| 03:55.01 | Wyzard | Bogus8: That'll make apt want to upgrade your entire system to unstable, unless you configure it to still default to stable |
| 03:55.14 | apk | Wyzard: I installed this machine long before the etch installer. |
| 03:55.16 | Rusty1 | ifs and: python python-poker doesn't work, from the folder it's installed to |
| 03:55.16 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: I would then take the unstable line out |
| 03:55.31 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: just run update then install nvidia then remove line and rerun update |
| 03:55.33 | simonrvn | ... |
| 03:55.35 | Wyzard | Bogus8: Create the file /etc/apt/apt.conf (or append to it, if it already exists) and add this line: APT::Default-Release "stable"; |
| 03:56.00 | Wyzard | Bogus8: That way you can have unstable sources and apt will still use stable by default |
| 03:56.05 | apk | Wyzard: Thank you for your suggestions. Good night. |
| 03:56.27 | Wyzard | Bogus8: Then you can "apt-get -t unstable install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-source" |
| 03:56.39 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: I like this way better... and I learn something ;) |
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| 03:57.25 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: does apt.conf need #!/bin/bash at the top? |
| 03:57.32 | Wyzard | No, it's not a script |
| 03:57.47 | Bogus8 | k, hard to tell with some of these config files |
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| 03:58.21 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: will this effect the ability to pull from non-free and such? |
| 03:58.26 | Wyzard | not at all |
| 03:58.59 | Bogus8 | so just add "unstable" to the end of the ftp.debian.org/debian right? |
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| 03:59.01 | Wyzard | It just overrides apt's default of choosing the latest available version of a package, so it chooses the stable version even if there's a newer version in unstable |
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| 03:59.33 | Wyzard | You'll need to add a new line... just copy your existing line and change "stable" to "unstable" |
| 03:59.45 | Wyzard | then apt-get update |
| 04:00.09 | Wyzard | and I'd recommend running "apt-get dist-upgrade" just to make sure it doesn't want to upgrade your whole system, to check that the Default-Release option is working |
| 04:00.13 | mesof | thanks Wyzard |
| 04:00.33 | Wyzard | (If for some reason it does want to upgrade everything, say no, of course) |
| 04:00.41 | Bogus8 | haha |
| 04:01.02 | Bogus8 | umm, I don't actually have "stable" in any of my lines |
| 04:01.11 | mike | Toshiba A200 Laptop ,,no sound,"intel" any help please? |
| 04:01.12 | Wyzard | oh, you have "etch" probably |
| 04:01.13 | Wyzard | That's fine |
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| 04:01.41 | Bogus8 | yes etch |
| 04:01.44 | Bogus8 | so just replace etch |
| 04:02.06 | Wyzard | btw, one thing to be aware of: now that you have an unstable source, if you ask apt to install a package that exists in unstable but *not* in etch, it'll happily install the unstable package |
| 04:02.14 | Wyzard | because there's no etch version to default to |
| 04:02.27 | Wyzard | yes, change "etch" to "unstable" in your copy of the line (but leave the original "etch" line in place) |
| 04:02.27 | Bogus8 | even with the default option? |
| 04:02.34 | Wyzard | yes |
| 04:02.49 | Bogus8 | and apt.conf should read "etch" also now right? |
| 04:02.52 | Wyzard | It works on a package-by-package basis -- it'll default to the etch version of each package, if available |
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| 04:03.02 | Wyzard | but if there's no etch version, it'll just use the latest, which is the unstable one |
| 04:03.08 | Wyzard | no, apt.conf should say "stable" |
| 04:03.27 | Wyzard | Theoretically the two names should be interchangeable there, but I think only "stable" works there, not a specific release name |
| 04:03.39 | Bogus8 | which if there is not stable package I probably will be just as happy with unstable vs none or having to use a custom built |
| 04:03.43 | simonrvn | depends on what the Release file says |
| 04:03.48 | simonrvn | Wyzard: ^^^ |
| 04:03.55 | Wyzard | ah, that makes sense |
| 04:04.04 | Wyzard | and the Release file says "stable", I guess |
| 04:04.11 | simonrvn | if it says etch, use etch, if it says stable use stable |
| 04:04.16 | Wyzard | Bogus8: right, so it's generally not a big deal |
| 04:04.27 | simonrvn | my local one says sid, so i use 'sid' |
| 04:04.32 | Wyzard | Bogus8: If in doubt, you can do "apt-cache policy <package>" to check which source apt would download the package from |
| 04:04.58 | Bogus8 | true |
| 04:05.03 | Bogus8 | learning left and right today |
| 04:05.13 | Bogus8 | and ironically nothing to do with X |
| 04:05.16 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 04:05.27 | stoned | /dev/sdb2: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY. |
| 04:05.33 | stoned | ! |
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| 04:05.48 | simonrvn | to have your box running smooth, gotta know this stuff, or someone willing to do it ;p |
| 04:05.56 | Wyzard | You'll notice that the "apt-cache policy" output will now have a different number (990, I think) rather than 500 in front of etch versions of packages -- that's what the Default-Release option does, and it's the reason why apt chooses the etch version, because that number is higher |
| 04:05.57 | simonrvn | stoned: :/ |
| 04:06.21 | stoned | yeh |
| 04:06.24 | stoned | that is true |
| 04:06.33 | Wyzard | Run "apt-cache policy nvidia-glx" again after you've added your line and done your update, and you'll see what I mean |
| 04:06.37 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: I'm all for learning new stuff... I have been running linux consistantly since FC3 was in final days of testing... but I never really ran X |
| 04:06.49 | simonrvn | stoned: usually that means do it ASAP ;) |
| 04:06.56 | simonrvn | mm |
| 04:07.14 | stoned | yup |
| 04:07.16 | mike | i need sound here |
| 04:07.17 | stoned | doing it no |
| 04:07.19 | stoned | now* |
| 04:07.20 | mike | dam |
| 04:07.35 | stoned | /dev/sdb2: |======= | 12.5% |
| 04:07.39 | stoned | oop |
| 04:07.42 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: default line worked btw |
| 04:07.43 | mike | hehe |
| 04:07.46 | Wyzard | cool |
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| 04:08.15 | Wyzard | Now when you run apt-get with the "-t unstable" option, it overrides the default-release temporarily |
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| 04:08.25 | Wyzard | so you can install arbitrary packages from unstable that way |
| 04:08.25 | simonrvn | i got tired of running sid on my main server, so just when etch was getting released i switched to it |
| 04:08.42 | stoned | wimp |
| 04:08.45 | stoned | ;) |
| 04:08.51 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: got it... and any dependancies I'll have to add manually right? |
| 04:09.05 | lfs | I cant find the documentation for the stinking package. |
| 04:09.07 | Bogus8 | like nvidia-kernel-xxxxxxx |
| 04:09.14 | simonrvn | stoned: ran it for 3-4 years ;p |
| 04:09.28 | lfs | Aren't docs installed for all Debian packages? |
| 04:09.32 | Wyzard | Bogus8: right -- when you're doing "apt-get -t unstable install", any dependencies that aren't specifically mentioned on the command line will be looked for in etch, not unstable, so you'll have to put them on the command line too if you want the unstable versions |
| 04:09.32 | simonrvn | stoned: gets tiring having to fuck with confs every other weekend |
| 04:09.44 | mmlj4 | what's the "right" way of changing my hostname and/or domain? |
| 04:09.46 | stoned | not really |
| 04:09.55 | Wyzard | Bogus8: but in this case you're going to install nvidia-kernel-source from unstable and then use module-assistant to *build* nvidia-kernel-xxxx locally on your own system |
| 04:09.58 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: excellent... I got it all figured out and hopefully it will stick ;) |
| 04:09.59 | simonrvn | lfs: /usr/share/doc/packagename |
| 04:10.09 | lfs | thank you!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:10.10 | Wyzard | Bogus8: unstable doesn't have ready-made nvidia-kernel packages like stable does |
| 04:10.11 | stoned | it can be |
| 04:10.18 | stoned | but it doesn't have to, depending on how much you do with it |
| 04:10.20 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: well that is poo ;) |
| 04:10.22 | stoned | did you say sid desktop |
| 04:10.30 | Wyzard | Bogus8: so install module-assistant and build-essential, and then "module-assistant auto-install nvidia-kernel" -- should be all you need |
| 04:10.36 | simonrvn | stoned: i customise a lot |
| 04:10.43 | simonrvn | stoned: sid server |
| 04:10.55 | Wyzard | Bogus8: Once your nvidia-kernel-xxxx is installed, you'll have satisfied the dependency for the new nvidia-glx, so you can install that from unstable too |
| 04:10.58 | simonrvn | i still run sid desktop |
| 04:11.15 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: so kernel-source will come from stable |
| 04:11.26 | Wyzard | no, you want nvidia-kernel-source from unstable |
| 04:11.55 | Wyzard | It's matched to a specific version of nvidia-glx |
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| 04:12.01 | Wyzard | you need to upgrade both |
| 04:12.14 | stoned | hehe |
| 04:12.14 | Bogus8 | ok |
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| 04:13.30 | lfs | How do you know where Debian installed the package? |
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| 04:13.45 | lfs | I know how to run this program from tar.gz file |
| 04:13.57 | DavidProck1981 | i need to get SCSI emulation for xcdroast can some one tell me how, what ot do? |
| 04:14.01 | lfs | But I am not clear how to do it after installing it from Debian. |
| 04:14.07 | Wyzard | lfs: if you mean where are the files in the filesystem, "dpkg -L <packagename>" tells you that |
| 04:14.28 | lfs | OK thanks |
| 04:14.50 | Wyzard | lfs: Files get installed to the appropriate places -- programs in /bin or whatever, data files somewhere under /usr/share, etc. |
| 04:14.57 | glguy | Is there a "Debian way" to manage ones iptables? recommended config file, man page, howto? |
| 04:15.25 | Wyzard | glguy: There are various firewall packages, which read a config file and generate iptables rules... I recommend firehol or shorewall |
| 04:15.50 | Wyzard | glguy: The firewall packages provide initscripts that automatically apply the rules at boot time |
| 04:16.19 | glguy | ok cool |
| 04:16.39 | glguy | I just want to restrict a few applications to one of two interfaces |
| 04:16.45 | glguy | I'll take a look at those things |
| 04:16.57 | Wyzard | That's not something you'd normally do with iptables |
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| 04:17.10 | dsoul | $ setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout br -variant abnt2 |
| 04:17.10 | dsoul | Error loading new keyboard description |
| 04:17.11 | glguy | Wyzard: normally I'd just have th eapplication bind to one interface |
| 04:17.13 | dsoul | what's wrong// |
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| 04:17.19 | stoned | right now im booteed into an amd64 ubuntu live cd |
| 04:17.20 | glguy | Wyzard: xfs doesn't seem to give me such a setting |
| 04:17.34 | Wyzard | I'm not sure if iptables *can* match on the name of the program, actually |
| 04:17.44 | glguy | Wyzard: OH, I mean by port number, of course :) |
| 04:17.48 | Wyzard | oh, ok |
| 04:17.50 | Wyzard | That's fine |
| 04:17.53 | simonrvn | IIRC closest you can do is string matching for iptables |
| 04:17.53 | glguy | Wyzard: 7100 should only accept on eth0 |
| 04:17.55 | glguy | and not eth1 |
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| 04:18.11 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: installing nvidia-kernel-source from unstable is trying to upgrade 11 packages install 8 and remove 1... does that seem right? |
| 04:18.12 | Wyzard | though I'm surprised to see someone actually running xfs |
| 04:18.20 | glguy | Wyzard: I use linux in vmware |
| 04:18.22 | simonrvn | xfs the font server? |
| 04:18.24 | glguy | and x-win32 |
| 04:18.27 | Wyzard | Bogus8: Which packages? |
| 04:18.44 | glguy | this way I can expose my fonts installed in linux to my windows X server |
| 04:18.47 | lfs | So if I just installed a pakage how to know the command to start it? |
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| 04:18.55 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: debhelper dpatch gettext html2text intltool-debian linux-libc-dev po-debconf |
| 04:18.58 | Bogus8 | installed |
| 04:18.59 | Wyzard | glguy: x-win32 has its own set of the standard fonts |
| 04:19.04 | simonrvn | oh yeh, handy when you have a lot of fonts spread out |
| 04:19.09 | Bogus8 | binutils libc6 libc6-dev libc6-i686 libncurses5 libselinux1 libsepol1 locales tzdata util-linux zlib1g |
| 04:19.13 | Bogus8 | upgraded |
| 04:19.21 | simonrvn | uh oh |
| 04:19.34 | Wyzard | glguy: and most current X applications (anything using GTK or QT, and a lot of other stuff too) uses client-side font rendering, so the X font protocol isn't involved at all |
| 04:19.35 | glguy | Wyzard: maybe I'm wasting my time then |
| 04:19.43 | glguy | good to know :) |
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| 04:19.58 | Wyzard | glguy: In the latter case, x-win32 just draws bitmaps that the app sends to it |
| 04:20.07 | slapfaceware | x win 32? |
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| 04:20.25 | dsoul | anyone knows why this error happens when i try setxkbmap/ "Error loading new keyboard description" |
| 04:20.25 | Wyzard | slapfaceware: It's an X server for Windows, useful for displaying remote X apps on a Windows desktop |
| 04:20.45 | lfs | dpkg -L doesnt give an directories in my path? |
| 04:20.45 | dpkg | ii doesnt give an directories in my path 2.6-1.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 04:20.55 | Wyzard | glguy: Anything with anti-aliased fonts is doing client-side font rendering... the X font protocol doesn't support anti-aliasing (and that's the main reason why it's rarely used anymore) |
| 04:21.13 | glguy | Wyzard: interesting, I'll probably turn it off then |
| 04:21.14 | Wyzard | lfs: /bin isn't in your path? |
| 04:21.17 | lfs | echo $PATH and dpkg -L do not intersect |
| 04:21.21 | simonrvn | lfs: no, package contents |
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| 04:21.39 | glguy | Wyzard: about the only font I really use is -misc-fixed-*... |
| 04:21.47 | glguy | Wyzard: but I didn't want a surprise later |
| 04:21.50 | Wyzard | !tell Bogus8 about simple sid backport |
| 04:21.51 | glguy | when I tried to use some othe rfont |
| 04:21.53 | glguy | and it didn't work |
| 04:22.15 | Wyzard | Bogus8: You might want to do that to rebuild the unstable nvidia packages to use the stable versions of that other stuff |
| 04:22.24 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: I have backports source already (for ntfs-3g |
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| 04:22.32 | biatche | how do i use tcpdump to sniff only marked packets? (--set-mark 2 in iptables) |
| 04:22.35 | Wyzard | Bogus8: Read the factoid... it's not about backports.org |
| 04:22.41 | Bogus8 | ok |
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| 04:22.58 | Wyzard | well, it mentions it, but the "if it hasn't" part is what applies to you |
| 04:23.03 | Kevin` | how stable is debian arm-eabi? |
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| 04:23.05 | lfs | So like how do you know how to run a program? |
| 04:23.14 | Wyzard | (unless backports.org actually has nVidia packages... I haven't checked, but it'd be a good idea to do so) |
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| 04:23.51 | simonrvn | lfs: uh, type the name of the binary in a terminal? o_O |
| 04:23.51 | fsbano | is there somebody using xen on debian ? |
| 04:23.57 | Wyzard | fsbano: I do |
| 04:24.06 | lfs | LIke how do I find the name of the binary? |
| 04:24.10 | fsbano | Wyzard: its stable? |
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| 04:24.16 | Kevin` | or does nobody else here have an arm machine |
| 04:24.19 | Kevin` | :/ |
| 04:24.19 | Wyzard | fsbano: It's in etch |
| 04:24.24 | Wyzard | fsbano: and yes, it works fine |
| 04:24.38 | Wyzard | fsbano: I use it on my router -- these IRC packets are going through a Xen box |
| 04:24.49 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: I'm not really sure what I'm reading and how it relates to these extra packages |
| 04:24.52 | simonrvn | lfs: anyting with bin/* sbin/* sometimes /usr/lib (those usually get called by some caller/controlling process) |
| 04:25.00 | simonrvn | anything* |
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| 04:25.14 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: I was concerned that it was using unstable to check other packages that it didn't need to |
| 04:25.19 | lfs | I just downloaded python-poker-eval and I have no idea how to use it. |
| 04:25.20 | fsbano | Wyzard: hummmm |
| 04:25.35 | fsbano | Wyzard: debian running well with core2quad? |
| 04:25.44 | Kevin` | anybody? |
| 04:25.56 | lfs | Well actually I could use it if I downloaded the tar.gz file. |
| 04:25.59 | Wyzard | fsbano: The desktop PC I'm using now has a core2duo and that works fine |
| 04:26.01 | glguy | Wyzard: this probably sounds like an obvious question, but would you confirm that the ident protocol doesn't work on a server behind NAT? (that it would be need to be run on the server providing NAT) |
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| 04:26.12 | Wyzard | fsbano: I don't have any quads, but I see no reason why there'd be any problems |
| 04:26.15 | fsbano | Wyzard: E6700? |
| 04:26.18 | Wyzard | 6600 |
| 04:26.37 | fsbano | CORE2QUAD E6600 |
| 04:26.47 | Kevin` | glguy it would be possible to do nat with ident |
| 04:26.47 | Wyzard | fsbano: Core 2 Duo E6600 |
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| 04:27.07 | Wyzard | glguy: ident is completely useless as far as I'm concerned, because it trusts the remote host to tell the truth about who the user is |
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| 04:27.30 | glguy | Wyzard: I agree, but I don't make IRC daemons |
| 04:27.32 | Wyzard | glguy: There are ident clients that can be configured to return whatever name you want |
| 04:27.34 | fsbano | Wyzard: are you using some GUI for mgmt Server Xen? |
| 04:27.43 | Wyzard | fsbano: no, just vi on the config files |
| 04:27.51 | fsbano | hehehehe |
| 04:27.55 | Kevin` | hmm. actually, youd need a proxy I think, but its a trivial proxy |
| 04:28.01 | fsbano | its hardwork |
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| 04:28.03 | Wyzard | fsbano: There's a frontend called "xenman" available, but I haven't used it |
| 04:28.10 | Kevin` | anybody on arm eabi? |
| 04:28.21 | simonrvn | no |
| 04:28.36 | simonrvn | and my name isn't 'anybody' ;p |
| 04:28.46 | Kevin` | :( |
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| 04:29.04 | simonrvn | interesting arch, that BE or LE? |
| 04:29.12 | fsbano | Wyzard: are you development or netadmin? |
| 04:29.36 | Wyzard | fsbano: I'm not sure what you're asking... professionally I'm a software engineer, but I'm talking about my home LAN, not something at work |
| 04:29.48 | Kevin` | simonrvn erm, I forget |
| 04:29.53 | Kevin` | moment |
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| 04:30.10 | Kevin` | I think arm is only one or the other |
| 04:30.14 | Kevin` | cant be both |
| 04:30.15 | simonrvn | Kevin`: it's cool, no biggie |
| 04:30.22 | lfs | What is the sense of having a package that the user can't figure out how to use? |
| 04:30.25 | simonrvn | yeh i did say 'or' ;) |
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| 04:30.29 | fsbano | Wyzard: sorry me... My english isnt very well.. but you said sure |
| 04:30.35 | lfs | Should I post a bug report or am I missing something? |
| 04:30.55 | simonrvn | lfs: probably layer 8 problem |
| 04:31.15 | Kevin` | simonrvn file says lsb |
| 04:31.24 | simonrvn | 'k |
| 04:31.46 | Wyzard | lfs: python-pypoker-eval isn't a standalone program that you can run |
| 04:31.58 | lfs | How do you know that? |
| 04:32.01 | fsbano | Wyzard: I think that more application need to be migration to support threading ... |
| 04:32.21 | Kevin` | simonrvn whats the easiest way to install debian from an existing linux install? |
| 04:32.22 | fsbano | why isn't really today |
| 04:32.23 | simonrvn | lfs: because not all packages are for one thing... |
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| 04:32.33 | lfs | huh? |
| 04:32.46 | fsbano | to use better duocore |
| 04:32.47 | simonrvn | Kevin`: to install a new one? debootstrap comes to mind |
| 04:32.47 | Kevin` | actually, anyone answer that :) |
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| 04:33.22 | Kevin` | simonrvn ive had bad luck with debootstrap cross-arch. maybe arm to eabi isnt a large difference |
| 04:33.25 | Wyzard | lfs: Looking at the list of files (I don't have it installed, so I looked it up online), all it contains is a shared library and a .py file in /usr/share/pycentral/python-pypoker-eval/site-packages/ |
| 04:33.38 | Kevin` | hmm |
| 04:33.46 | Kevin` | I dont have debootstrap :) |
| 04:33.50 | lfs | So how do you use it? |
| 04:33.51 | Wyzard | lfs: That directory is for Python modules which are used by other programs -- this package is a library, not a complete program |
| 04:33.52 | simonrvn | Kevin`: yeh, the problem cross-arch is that you can't chroot to the new install ;) |
| 04:34.13 | Wyzard | lfs: To use it directly, you'd write a Python program which calls the functions it provides |
| 04:34.22 | Kevin` | can I run the installer program or something? |
| 04:34.28 | lfs | How to get to the C program it relies on? |
| 04:34.30 | Wyzard | lfs: such a program might already exist, but it'd be packaged separately |
| 04:35.01 | lfs | I don't know python |
| 04:35.08 | Wyzard | lfs: I see libpoker-eval in the package's list of dependencies -- that's the C library (again, not a standalone program) it wraps |
| 04:35.13 | simonrvn | Kevin`: be better if it was run on same arch, then no problems with running the binaries |
| 04:35.25 | lfs | I know how to use that one, but how to find it. |
| 04:35.27 | lfs | ? |
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| 04:35.33 | simonrvn | otherwise SOL ;) |
| 04:35.35 | Wyzard | lfs: That's the name of the package |
| 04:35.42 | Kevin` | simonrvn well I can do that, I have linux on this, but not debian |
| 04:35.43 | Wyzard | lfs: You could write a C program using that library |
| 04:36.00 | Kevin` | no debootstrap |
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| 04:36.12 | lfs | That program has example programs if you download the tar.gz file |
| 04:36.17 | Kevin` | and booting from external media is more or less impossible |
| 04:36.28 | Kevin` | less really, but a pain |
| 04:37.02 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: sup |
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| 04:37.47 | Wyzard | If you want to write a C program that uses libpoker-eval, you'd install libpoker-eval-dev, which contains the header files needed for compiling new programs against the library |
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| 04:38.17 | lfs | How did you find that out? |
| 04:38.52 | Kevin` | so, how do I install debian from linux without debootstrap |
| 04:39.07 | Wyzard | lfs: That's a general packaging convention that most libraries follow... there's a package containing the library itself (for use by programs that are already compiled), and a separate -dev package containing the headers (for compiling new programs that use the library) |
| 04:39.33 | Wyzard | lfs: Most other distros follow that convention too, with slight variations perhaps (RedHat uses "-devel" rather than "-dev", for example) |
| 04:39.34 | MangosDebian | lfs: Wyzard knows that with which he speaks |
| 04:39.46 | simonrvn | MangosDebian: the sky |
| 04:39.49 | MangosDebian | bah |
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| 04:40.30 | MangosDebian | ;) |
| 04:40.46 | Wyzard | lfs: They do that to avoid taking up disk space with headers for lots of libraries that most people will never compile anything against... the headers are in a separate package that you only install if you need it |
| 04:40.47 | simonrvn | i like trout, i like walleye too |
| 04:41.18 | Wyzard | lfs: btw, the only thing in Debian that seems to use python-pypoker-eval is python-poker-engine (another library) and python-poker-network (some sort of TCP server for evaluating poker moves submitted over a network) |
| 04:41.36 | simonrvn | F U C K T H E S P P |
| 04:41.47 | MangosDebian | spp? |
| 04:41.57 | simonrvn | aka NAU |
| 04:41.58 | Wyzard | lfs: and I found that by running "apt-cache rdepends python-pypoker-eval" (and afterward, "apt-cache rdepends python-poker-engine") |
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| 04:42.24 | lfs | So can I run the examples from my login? |
| 04:42.45 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: still no clue |
| 04:42.52 | simonrvn | google it ;) |
| 04:42.57 | lfs | I found the stuff running dpkd -L let me study it a bit. |
| 04:42.58 | MangosDebian | im too lazy |
| 04:43.07 | lfs | Thanks very much. |
| 04:43.08 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: google it for me sweetie? |
| 04:43.10 | simonrvn | i don't want to to get really OT |
| 04:43.13 | Wyzard | lfs: if you have example C programs from the tar.gz, you should be able to compile them successfully if you have libpoker-eval-dev installed |
| 04:43.15 | simonrvn | MangosDebian: o_O |
| 04:43.19 | simonrvn | -_- |
| 04:43.26 | MangosDebian | |þ |
| 04:43.30 | simonrvn | @eat MangosDebian |
| 04:43.36 | simonrvn | bah |
| 04:43.36 | lfs | It downloaded some example c files just like the tar.gz file does. |
| 04:43.38 | MangosDebian | lol |
| 04:43.43 | lfs | Let me try it |
| 04:43.51 | Wyzard | lfs: and the -dev packages for any other libraries you may need (most importantly libc-dev... you'll want to install "build-essential", which is a metapackage that pulls in a compiler and the essential system headers) |
| 04:43.52 | lfs | You have been very helpful |
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| 04:45.17 | Wyzard | lfs: btw, if you know C, you should have no trouble learning Python if you're interested |
| 04:45.21 | G-Ryan | What are the odds of me getting Debian running on a P1 200Mhz with 48Mb of RAM? |
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| 04:45.43 | Kevin` | G-Ryan high |
| 04:45.46 | mesof | :D |
| 04:45.48 | simonrvn | doable, better with 64 but doable |
| 04:45.51 | mesof | back and shinin' |
| 04:45.56 | lfs | I have a python book somewhere here I looked at a little bit. |
| 04:46.04 | mesof | do people actually use dillo |
| 04:46.05 | simonrvn | (better as in more comfortable) |
| 04:46.13 | simonrvn | !popcon |
| 04:46.13 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 04:46.24 | simonrvn | mesof: go see for yourself |
| 04:46.38 | Kevin` | G-Ryan if you plan on using X with that, make it something light like fluxbox |
| 04:46.42 | mesof | simonrvn: gah i can't use it, what do you use? |
| 04:46.59 | G-Ryan | Kevin`: X isn't necessary, but fluxbox would be fine. |
| 04:47.13 | Wyzard | lfs: There's a tutorial plus full reference documentation on python.org |
| 04:47.22 | G-Ryan | I'll have to go for an install though if you guys think it can be done. |
| 04:47.34 | Kevin` | G-Ryan i've run debian on 180mhz, 32mb ram |
| 04:47.39 | G-Ryan | It would be used more like a small server anyway. |
| 04:47.48 | simonrvn | i've run x on 24 mb... damn that wa painful |
| 04:47.48 | G-Ryan | Kevin`: Work well? |
| 04:47.56 | simonrvn | s |
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| 04:48.10 | Kevin` | G-Ryan well, I had the slowest disk controller in the known universe on that computer, but yes, it worked ok |
| 04:48.12 | lgc | I wonder if someone can tell me how can I get rid of the "hw_random: cannot enable RNG, aborting" message during boot up. |
| 04:48.41 | G-Ryan | Kevin`: I definitely have to try it then... |
| 04:48.41 | simonrvn | lgc: your h/w rng isn't get initialised looks like |
| 04:48.54 | Kevin` | G-Ryan 1gb SD card driven over the equivalent of a parallel port |
| 04:48.57 | simonrvn | or just spurious message |
| 04:49.45 | Wyzard | lgc: It's a harmless message... some motherboards and processors have built-in hardware RNGs, and the driver's checking for one and not finding one |
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| 04:50.37 | lgc | Wyzard, thanks. Should I blacklist it or something? |
| 04:50.52 | Wyzard | lgc: No, the random driver is what makes /dev/random work and you need that |
| 04:51.17 | Wyzard | lgc: It just falls back on the normal software implementation (with entropy coming from system timer data, I think) if it can't find a hardware RNG |
| 04:51.38 | Wyzard | lgc: The only PC hardware I know of with hardware RNGs are VIA C3 and C7 processors, and certain Intel motherboards... on everything else, that message is normal |
| 04:52.01 | simonrvn | Wyzard: mouse, keyboard, drive inputs |
| 04:52.31 | simonrvn | ...and patches to derive entropy from other sources, like sound, network, and other shit |
| 04:52.32 | Wyzard | timings of those things, I thought |
| 04:52.40 | Wyzard | like the number of nanoseconds between your keystrokes |
| 04:52.45 | Wyzard | but I don't know the details |
| 04:52.54 | simonrvn | dunno specifics, probably right |
| 04:53.20 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: I can get entopy from my toilet?! |
| 04:53.42 | Kevin` | MangosDebian with a suitible input device, yes |
| 04:53.46 | Wyzard | lol |
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| 04:54.46 | MangosDebian | Kevin`: well, i know the output device I would use! |
| 04:55.56 | lgc | Wyzard, that makes a lot of sense, thanks. I see there's a hw_random.ko file somewhere under kernels. Is that the executable of hw_random.c? |
| 04:56.15 | Wyzard | lgc: oh, so the hardware RNG is a separate driver from the software one |
| 04:56.22 | Wyzard | lgc: yes, that'd be the compiled version of the driver |
| 04:56.48 | Wyzard | lgc: If it's a separate driver then I guess it'd be harmless to blacklist it, but there's no real benefit in doing so |
| 04:57.24 | Kevin` | it wastes precious microseconds of boot time! |
| 04:57.26 | lgc | Wyzard, if only the Via C3 processor has it, does it make sense for the kernel to look for it everywhere? |
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| 04:57.57 | Kevin` | other stuff has hardware rngs too, and as mentioned, it isn't hurting anything |
| 04:58.34 | Wyzard | lgc: Well, it's not like a PCI device where you can first scan the bus and notice it's there, and then load a driver for it... probably the only way to check whether a hardware RNG is present is to try to load the driver and see if it succeeds |
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| 04:58.58 | simonrvn | sounds like this is a debian kernel |
| 04:59.26 | lgc | Wyzard, oh. |
| 04:59.58 | Wyzard | lgc: The only devices *I know of* with hardware RNGs are the VIA C3/C7 and those Intel motherboards... but it wouldn't make sense to hard-code into the kernel a whitelist saying when to try to load the driver, and when not to |
| 05:00.23 | Wyzard | lgc: makes more sense to always try to load it, in case there's a usable RNG, and just fall back on the software one otherwise |
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| 05:00.36 | Wyzard | A few milliseconds at boot time is negligible |
| 05:01.19 | lgc | Wyzard, is a hardware RNG as good as a software counterpart can be? |
| 05:01.37 | simonrvn | h/w one is better, don't run out so fast |
| 05:01.45 | Wyzard | It's better, assuming it's built well |
| 05:01.52 | simonrvn | for sure |
| 05:02.11 | Wyzard | though it has the disadvantage that the entropy pool can't persist across reboots like the software one can |
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| 05:02.18 | simonrvn | on machines that don't get a lot of disk i/o, and need entropy, it's essential |
| 05:02.36 | lgc | simonrvn, Wyzard, I mean from the quality of the random -actually pseudo-random- numbers generated. |
| 05:02.39 | Wyzard | normally when you shut down, the kernel's entropy pool gets saved to a file, and loaded again during startup, so the system has entropy right from the start |
| 05:02.59 | simonrvn | Wyzard: that's a seed only |
| 05:03.08 | Wyzard | but I have a C7 system, using the hardware RNG, and its entropy pool is empty at power-on, and it takes time to fill up |
| 05:03.09 | simonrvn | it gets built from it |
| 05:03.38 | Wyzard | I use random-encrypted swap, so the machine stalls for a few minutes during startup, waiting for the hardware RNG to produce enough bits to use as a crypto key |
| 05:03.45 | simonrvn | well the value of kernel.random.entropy_avail anyway =) |
| 05:04.13 | Wyzard | simonrvn: yeah, it gets hashed or something, but the point is that fairly early in the boot process, there's entropy available already |
| 05:04.31 | simonrvn | some, mostly from disk i/o of the stuff starting up |
| 05:04.53 | lgc | Wyzard, excuse me with this, but what's the entropy pool? |
| 05:05.11 | simonrvn | if the host has been up for a while it's better because it gets nice and random ;) |
| 05:05.13 | Wyzard | lgc: It's the set of random bits that the kernel has available fo ruse |
| 05:05.15 | lfs | U could get randomness from the internet |
| 05:05.26 | Wyzard | since entropy gets collected randomly over time |
| 05:05.34 | simonrvn | yeh, but there's risks from that |
| 05:05.35 | lfs | pokerstars using the actions of the players to get randomness |
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| 05:05.49 | lgc | Wyzard, where does it collect them from? |
| 05:05.52 | Wyzard | the random bits get saved in RAM so they're available immediately when something needs them |
| 05:06.21 | Wyzard | A hardware RNG gets them from some physical process, like tiny voltage fluctuations in a specially-designed unstable circuit, or something like that |
| 05:06.36 | Wyzard | A software one gets them from various system events like timing of keystrokes and I/O interrupts, as we were discussing |
| 05:07.12 | simonrvn | if you're constantly rebooting the thing, for whatever reason, that seed isn't as good, and needs more time to gather entropy, which is a pain for anything crypto |
| 05:07.13 | Heston | why is it that when I uninstall a meta package in synaptic, the packages that it includes or the dependencies are not removed? |
| 05:07.36 | Wyzard | In theory a hardware entropy source is better, though in most cases a software one is fine |
| 05:08.11 | Guerin | Heston: because synaptic doesn't do automatic uninstallation. if you want that, use aptitude. |
| 05:08.14 | lgc | Wyzard, then I suppose these are truly random as opposed to the pseudo-random numbers I am used to with, for example, drand48(). |
| 05:08.16 | simonrvn | the h/w one doesn't run out as fast, as it's always getting it from somewhere, even on the mobo IIRC |
| 05:08.24 | simonrvn | lgc: yes |
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| 05:09.05 | Wyzard | lgc: Even a software-based entropy source is "truly random" in the sense that it's based on external things that the system can't predict |
| 05:09.52 | Heston | Guerin, you would think such a feature would be manditory |
| 05:09.54 | Wyzard | a pseudo-RNG just takes a single seed value (typically the current time) and hashes it around to produce a variety of values, with no additional entropy at any point in the process |
| 05:10.11 | lgc | simonrvn, Wyzard, do you know if there's a C function that I can call to tap this RNG? |
| 05:10.27 | Wyzard | so the output of drand48() is completely predictable if you know the seed value |
| 05:10.32 | Wyzard | lgc: /dev/random |
| 05:10.35 | simonrvn | /dev/urandom is pseudo-random, /dev/random is true rng |
| 05:11.46 | simonrvn | Wyzard: oh, it's from the interrupts it gets the entropy |
| 05:11.47 | Wyzard | I think the difference is that when the entropy pool runs out, /dev/random will block waiting for more random bits to be collected by the system, whereas /dev/urandom will just do the pseudo-RNG thing like drand48() does |
| 05:11.59 | simonrvn | just popped into my head |
| 05:12.00 | lgc | Wyzard, I can't think right now how would I embed that on a C program. Through "system(...)"? |
| 05:12.18 | Wyzard | lgc: open /dev/random or /dev/urandom as a file, and read bytes from it |
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| 05:12.48 | SerajewelKS | sheesh: http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=4802695 |
| 05:13.02 | SerajewelKS | guess sun really doesn't have their act together |
| 05:13.32 | lgc | Wyzard, that sounds good. But I wonder if it's as fast as a call to drand48(), for example. |
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| 05:13.33 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: holy crap |
| 05:13.37 | lfs | I dont think a computer can keep generating random values. |
| 05:13.43 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: yeah, last I checked (a few months ago) it was #2 on some user-driven list of most-wanted features in Java |
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| 05:14.17 | Wyzard | lgc: That's what the entropy pool is for -- there's a certain amount of random data waiting to be read immediately |
| 05:14.20 | SerajewelKS | that's absolutely pathetic |
| 05:14.22 | SerajewelKS | four damn years |
| 05:14.34 | lfs | U would have to hook the computer up to a set of dice or something. |
| 05:14.37 | Wyzard | lgc: If you try to read more than that, reading from /dev/random will block (i.e. your program stops completely) until more is available |
| 05:15.27 | Wyzard | lfs: much like it does when waiting for keyboard input |
| 05:15.36 | lgc | Wyzard, dd can completely fill up a disk with garbage with the aid of /dev/random in no time! |
| 05:15.52 | simonrvn | lgc: uh no |
| 05:15.52 | Wyzard | lfs: You're thinking of /dev/urandom |
| 05:16.21 | Wyzard | which gets you a bit of "real" entropy from the entropy pool, followed by lots of pseudo-RNG hashing of that initial real entropy |
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| 05:16.45 | lgc | simonrvn, why not? The entropy pool? |
| 05:17.02 | Wyzard | The entropy pool is way too small for that |
| 05:17.10 | Wyzard | That's exactly the sort of thing that urandom is for |
| 05:17.22 | simonrvn | it would block on the first 4096 bytes |
| 05:17.29 | simonrvn | or less |
| 05:17.39 | Wyzard | You don't actually need hundreds of billions of truly-random bits, you just need unpredictable-looking patterns, which is what urandom gives you |
| 05:18.17 | SerajewelKS | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: /home/chris/azureus/libswt-pi-gtk-3318.so: Can't load IA 32-bit .so on a AMD 64-bit platform |
| 05:18.20 | SerajewelKS | awesome |
| 05:18.22 | lgc | Wyzard, please refresh my memory: Is urandom then pseudo-random? |
| 05:18.32 | simonrvn | yes |
| 05:19.05 | Wyzard | lgc: My understanding is that it returns real random bits from the entropy pool, but when that runs empty, it produces a pseudo-random sequence based on the bits that used to be in the entropy pool |
| 05:19.28 | lgc | simonrvn, Wyzard you are right! I'm looking now at the "dd" page. |
| 05:19.45 | simonrvn | urandom? i don't think it touches random at all |
| 05:20.04 | Wyzard | simonrvn: That's what I read somewhere on the web, but I haven't checked the source so I could be wrong |
| 05:20.11 | simonrvn | i could be wrong, but i seem to remember someone saying that ^^^ |
| 05:20.30 | Wyzard | Where else would urandom get its seed from, if not the entropy pool? |
| 05:20.32 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro or peterS IIRC |
| 05:20.40 | lgc | Wyzard, is there much fuss if I paste a 10-line quote here? |
| 05:20.47 | Wyzard | lgc: 4 lines is the limit |
| 05:21.00 | Wyzard | !tell lgc about paste |
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| 05:21.10 | simonrvn | Wyzard: i was thinking something like what you said at first, grab a byte or 2 from random, then use that to generate a bunch of prng |
| 05:21.17 | Wyzard | oh, nevermind, they changed it to "anything at all" rather than 4 lines |
| 05:21.44 | Wyzard | simonrvn: It might be that urandom just seeds itself from the entropy pool once, at startup or something... I dunno |
| 05:22.00 | simonrvn | time to RTSL =) |
| 05:22.18 | simonrvn | char/random.c IIRC |
| 05:22.25 | simonrvn | and friends |
| 05:22.40 | MangosDebian | Wyzard: well, if zinx has authority to decide what gets pasted here.... |
| 05:22.53 | MangosDebian | !+factinfo paste |
| 05:22.53 | dpkg | paste -- last modified at Thu Jul 19 04:58:51 2007 by zinx!n=zinx@unaffiliated/zinx; it has been requested 128 times, last by MangosDebian, 46s ago. |
| 05:23.08 | Wyzard | I think it used to say "please do not paste more than 4 lines to this channel" |
| 05:23.16 | lgc | Here's the quote: http://paste.debian.net/34460 . |
| 05:23.18 | MangosDebian | ya, and zinx prolly changes that |
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| 05:23.59 | streuner_ | MangosDebian: old tradition, well, debhelper take usually care about ;-) |
| 05:24.04 | Wyzard | lgc: That sounds consistent with what I've been saying, and it's probably what I read (years ago) that gave me that understanding |
| 05:24.14 | MangosDebian | yes, and whatever gets you kicked is "official" |
| 05:24.17 | simonrvn | Wyzard: aaah, lookie that |
| 05:24.31 | lgc | Wyzard, indeed. You were completely right. |
| 05:25.13 | simonrvn | so say you have 2048 bytes in the pool, and you're asking for 3002, it'll fetch it via prng (if reading urandom) |
| 05:25.42 | simonrvn | (manadatory example ;p) |
| 05:25.49 | Wyzard | but it'd apparently be all 2048 bytes of real random, followed by 994 bytes of pseudo-random based on the first 2048 |
| 05:25.50 | simonrvn | mandatory* |
| 05:26.01 | Wyzard | That's how it sounds to me, at least |
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| 05:26.32 | klobster | anyone here familiar with dash? |
| 05:27.25 | streuner_ | there is #bash, i assume there is #dash too |
| 05:27.38 | lgc | Wyzard, does debian use a blackist file or a blacklist directory? |
| 05:27.58 | klobster | streuner_: yeah with 0 guests in channel |
| 05:28.14 | Wyzard | though I'm looking at the source in random.c (as simonrvn suggested) and it looks like random and urandom both rely on the same function extract_entropy_user(), but random uses a variable called "blocking_pool" and urandom uses a different one called "nonblocking_pool" |
| 05:28.34 | Wyzard | which seem to be different structures, each with their own entropy_count |
| 05:28.45 | simonrvn | hmm, not sure. seems to me it says "if there's more than in the pool has, use prng entirely". though what you said would be smarter on one hand, but it'd be draining of the pool needlessly if you were requesting a lot of it |
| 05:28.52 | streuner_ | klobster: did you read what they wrote about "apt-cache show dash"? |
| 05:29.04 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 05:29.59 | simonrvn | i'm sure they've hashed this out endlessly on some old lkml archive somewhere (pardon the pun) ;) |
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| 05:31.35 | Wyzard | it looks like all entropy goes into input_pool, and gets pulled from there into either blocking_pool or nonblocking_pool on-demand, when random bits are actually needed |
| 05:31.49 | lgc | klobster, when I do 'man dash' it gives me the 'sh' (bash, I gather) manual. It probably is a minor variation of bash. |
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| 05:32.31 | streuner_ | !dash |
| 05:32.31 | dpkg | [dash] a POSIX compliant shell that is much smaller than bash. It is the shell on the debian installation floppy, and is useful for checking whether a shell is POSIX compliant. Also, Herbert Xu's forked version of ash. Also xush. |
| 05:32.32 | yigal | for some reason i have a file called "yes" created in a folder I have done work in. I believe this is a virus/worm etc. but i was wondering if anyone could help me with it if you have experienced something similar |
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| 05:33.07 | Wyzard | yigal: Run "file" on it to see what sort of contents it has |
| 05:33.15 | lgc | Wyzard, does debian use a blackist file or a blacklist directory? |
| 05:33.18 | Wyzard | and why do you think it's a virus/worm? |
| 05:33.21 | simonrvn | Wyzard: ok, so it is the former (what you said) |
| 05:33.35 | lgc | yigal, do 'hexdump -C' to peek at it. |
| 05:33.42 | simonrvn | yigal: it's not. it's quite useful |
| 05:33.49 | Wyzard | lgc: Put a file containing "blacklist <modulename>" in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 05:34.10 | simonrvn | yigal: dpkg -S /usr/bin/yes (or is it /bin?) |
| 05:34.13 | Wyzard | lgc: You may need to run update-initramfs afterward, since many modules get loaded by the initramfs, before /etc/modprobe.d can be accessed normally |
| 05:34.17 | yigal | Wyzard: i didn't create it, thank you I unfortunately deleted all of the files with "find ~ -name 'yes'" but I will thank you |
| 05:34.23 | simonrvn | /usr/bin |
| 05:34.27 | Wyzard | lgc: but again, there's no real benefit in blacklisting hw_random |
| 05:34.36 | simonrvn | *headdesk* |
| 05:34.40 | yigal | simonrvn: it isn't the chmod a+x yes kind of thing |
| 05:35.05 | yigal | simonrvn: it is a file roughly varying in size from 40-100K |
| 05:35.06 | liable | yigal: you should have kept it, now how do you know what it was? |
| 05:35.14 | simonrvn | well you didn't mention the "folder" you were working in ;) |
| 05:35.19 | yigal | liable: it will be back :) unfortunately |
| 05:35.20 | lgc | Wyzard, isn't it as simply writing the hw_random entry on the /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d directory? |
| 05:35.23 | yigal | liable: you are right |
| 05:36.03 | Wyzard | lgc: Or you could do that... one of the two locations is preferred, and unfortunately I can't remember which one it is |
| 05:36.11 | Wyzard | lgc: ask someone else about that |
| 05:36.23 | klobster | streuner_: no I didn't read that, what is it? |
| 05:36.54 | klobster | lgc: you are correct, it is an attempt to make a quicker and more posix compliant bash, but it is lame. |
| 05:37.35 | klobster | streuner_: lgc: doh, I didn't see the next line |
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| 05:39.16 | yigal | simonrvn: sorry, you are right i was rather undescriptive |
| 05:39.35 | klobster | the issue is dash doesn't like ${@:$#} but bash thinks it's fine, I am just trying to figure out why |
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| 05:40.16 | Wyzard | lgc: I think /etc/modprobe.d is the preferred location these days... |
| 05:43.08 | pingouin_ | is it possible to make a search with apt-cache search, by the Priority tag ? |
| 05:43.54 | Wyzard | pingouin: You can do that with grep-dctrl |
| 05:44.21 | Wyzard | pingouin: It acts as a filter, needs a complete package listing as input, so pipe "apt-cache dumpavail" into it |
| 05:44.28 | DavidProck1981 | what is the difference from en_US.ISO-8859-15 AND en_US.UTF-8 ??? |
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| 05:44.50 | Wyzard | Daveman: They're different encodings |
| 05:45.00 | Wyzard | oops |
| 05:45.03 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: ^^ |
| 05:45.07 | pingouin_ | Wyzard: ok, gonna give a try, many thanks |
| 05:45.15 | DavidProck1981 | what does that mean |
| 05:45.45 | DavidProck1981 | it talking about a local for my language |
| 05:45.56 | Wyzard | ISO-8859-15 is a single-byte encoding similar to ISO-8859-1 -- it has only 256 characters, consisting of the basic ASCII set plus accented characters like é and some other things |
| 05:46.15 | Wyzard | UTF-8 is an encoding of Unicode, which can represent pretty much every character in the world |
| 05:46.44 | Wyzard | There's no way to represent Cyrillic or Chinese characters in ISO 8859, for example |
| 05:46.45 | liable | ot, but it made me giggle, then kinda worried about poor old rms http://edward.oconnor.cx/2005/04/rms |
| 05:46.57 | DavidProck1981 | and there is also just "en_US" |
| 05:47.01 | lgc | Wyzard, I put it on /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d$ |
| 05:47.20 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: That's basic ASCII, I think, though I'm not sure |
| 05:47.25 | Wyzard | UTF-8 is preferable |
| 05:47.36 | DavidProck1981 | which one would u say is best? |
| 05:47.40 | DavidProck1981 | ok |
| 05:47.55 | lgc | Wyzard, does it make any sense to reboot and see what happens? Or do I have to run update-initramfs. |
| 05:48.09 | Wyzard | The whole reason Unicode exists is to avoid needing to worry about different character sets |
| 05:48.30 | Wyzard | like ISO 8859 for Western text, Shift-JIS for Japanese, etc. |
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| 05:49.06 | yigal | Wyzard: don't forget left and right single quotes :) |
| 05:49.28 | Wyzard | The idea is everything should use Unicode and then there's no need to deal with incompatible character sets because all characters in all languages are supported on all systems |
| 05:49.32 | Wyzard | hehe, those too |
| 05:49.39 | Wyzard | “whee” |
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| 05:50.34 | DavidProck1981 | ok |
| 05:50.41 | DavidProck1981 | thanks for the info |
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| 05:51.45 | streuner_ | DavidProck1981: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_8859-15 for less infos about ;-) |
| 05:51.55 | ephesius | does anyone know how i could install mencoder in debian etch 64 |
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| 05:52.09 | cast | !tell ephesius about debian-multimedia |
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| 05:52.15 | Wyzard | ephesius: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ has packages |
| 05:52.26 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode too |
| 05:53.03 | lgc | I'm off to reboot.... |
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| 05:53.16 | ephesius | cast: i can't find their key |
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| 05:54.31 | cast | ephesius: read what dpkg messaged you just then |
| 05:54.43 | cast | ephesius: just tested it, key recved fine |
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| 05:54.51 | blahdeblah | Hi all. |
| 05:55.06 | cast | hello blahdeblah |
| 05:55.25 | ash_ | Anyone know how to get a program to run like in a terminal kind of thing... and have it stay open after you close the terminal... ? |
| 05:55.40 | Wyzard | ash_: man nohup |
| 05:55.50 | ash_ | Wyzard, thanks |
| 05:55.57 | ephesius | cast: ok nevermind i didn't read it i just assumed it was the normal you dont have this key thing thanks |
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| 05:56.13 | cast | ash_: or you can use screen, dtach |
| 05:56.16 | blahdeblah | Can anyone recommend a video conversion tool to convert an AVI to an MPEG suitable for youtube upload? |
| 05:56.31 | cast | blahdeblah: mencoder would i imagine |
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| 06:01.20 | el_isma | Hi. I'm trying to set up kdm. I have defined several ServerLayouts in xorg.conf and I wish to choose which one to use from kdm. Is that possible? |
| 06:01.59 | Kevin` | how can I install debian from an existing linux install. without using debootstrap, as I don't have that? can I run the installer program somehow? |
| 06:02.15 | Wyzard | Kevin`: There's an RPM of debootstrap available |
| 06:02.26 | Kevin` | Wyzard I don't have rpm |
| 06:02.48 | Wyzard | Kevin`: debootstrap is *the* supported way to install Debian (it's used by the normal installer too, just hidden from view) |
| 06:02.52 | Kevin` | Wyzard if you can find an ipkg for arm systems, i'd try it :) |
| 06:03.11 | Wyzard | ipkg... the only place I've heard of that package format is in OpenWRT and its derivatives |
| 06:03.17 | Kevin` | so I can get it from the installer download somehow? |
| 06:03.25 | Wyzard | You could compile it from source |
| 06:03.40 | Kevin` | I don't have a compiler, and it's annoying to install one :) |
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| 06:04.23 | slurpee | anyone know how to log scp sessions ? |
| 06:04.24 | cast | can you run debootstrap on another system, force it to the right arch, then tarball the install |
| 06:04.39 | Wyzard | Manually extract the debootstrap .deb to get the already-compiled version, then? |
| 06:04.41 | Kevin` | i've always had terrible luck with debootstrap cross-arch |
| 06:04.45 | Kevin` | I suppose I could try it |
| 06:04.52 | Wyzard | assuming your system has the libraries it needs, which is probably just libc |
| 06:05.23 | Kevin` | what format is deb |
| 06:05.24 | Kevin` | ar? |
| 06:05.29 | Wyzard | yeah |
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| 06:06.27 | Kevin` | ifconfig wlan0 |
| 06:06.35 | Wyzard | speaking of OpenWRT, looks like kamikaze has finally been released... I should upgrade my router |
| 06:07.03 | Kevin` | kamikaze is nice. clean. |
| 06:07.18 | Kevin` | sensible configuration finally instead of that nvram stuff |
| 06:07.38 | Wyzard | yeah, seems pretty cool |
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| 06:08.03 | Wyzard | so you're installing Debian on an embedded router device? |
| 06:08.14 | Kevin` | i'm installing it on my pda |
| 06:08.17 | Wyzard | ah |
| 06:08.36 | Kevin` | I actually already have it on one of my router devices, on an sd card, for no real reason |
| 06:09.07 | Kevin` | for some reason I can't ping between these two devices on wlan, but both can reach the gateway |
| 06:09.09 | Kevin` | :/ |
| 06:09.20 | yigal | is OpenWRT vs. DD-WRT ? |
| 06:09.32 | yigal | excuse what is the difference between the 2 |
| 06:09.32 | Kevin` | dd-wrt is a mess compared to openwrt |
| 06:09.42 | yigal | interesting |
| 06:09.43 | Kevin` | dd-wrt is easier to use for "home" users though |
| 06:09.59 | Wyzard | DD-WRT is OpenWRT with a nicer web-based configuration UI, I believe |
| 06:10.11 | Kevin` | if it were, I might use it |
| 06:10.19 | Kevin` | have you ever tried to pick something out of dd-wrt? |
| 06:10.24 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 06:10.25 | Kevin` | it has a 6gb svn repository |
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| 06:10.32 | Kevin` | with dependencies between half everything |
| 06:10.36 | yigal | I am a home user , DD its really all i've used for firmware |
| 06:10.40 | Wyzard | Well, I admin my router with ssh... don't use the web UI at all |
| 06:10.53 | Acu | are the repositories for main contrib non-free OK ? |
| 06:11.06 | Kevin` | Acu what do you mean ok? |
| 06:11.44 | Guerin | can someone give a possible explanation as to why gnomebaker won't convert and burn mp4 aac files? |
| 06:12.00 | Guerin | please tell me it's not so stupid as to think they're not audio |
| 06:12.10 | Acu | I just installed fresh Debian Etch and I get a lot of error messages - I apt-get clean apt-get update and get some EEncountered a section with no Packatge: header |
| 06:12.20 | Wyzard | Guerin: It's possible, if you don't have FAAD installed... Debian doesn't come with an AAC codec by default AFAIK |
| 06:12.29 | Wyzard | Guerin: for patent reasons, I think |
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| 06:12.37 | Acu | Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 06:13.07 | Kevin` | Acu it's rather odd your having problems if you just installed it. does dmesg show any errors? |
| 06:13.25 | el_isma | I'm trying to set up kdm. I have defined several ServerLayouts in xorg.conf and I wish to choose which one to use from kdm. Is that possible? |
| 06:14.00 | yigal | el_isma: i don't think so |
| 06:14.09 | Guerin | Wyzard: well, i have faad installed ... it just don't show 'em |
| 06:14.15 | Wyzard | el_isma: not that I know of... by the time you see KDM, xorg is already running with a particular ServerLayout |
| 06:14.21 | Guerin | perhaps it just masks by filename extension. That would be retarded. |
| 06:14.32 | Acu | Kevin: I did an network install immediately after I was done I got message that Image 586 whatever should be upgraded |
| 06:14.33 | Wyzard | Guerin: Maybe gnomebaker doesn't support using FAAD? |
| 06:14.41 | Wyzard | Guerin: (I'm guessing; I've never used that app) |
| 06:14.54 | streuner_ | !status-recovery |
| 06:14.54 | dpkg | If your dpkg status file has become corrupted, first backup the current version, and restore a backup from /var/backups/dpkg.status. If all of those are corrupted/missing, then you will have to reinstall all of the packages you currently have installed. try this: find /usr/share/doc -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type d -not -name texmf -not -name debian -printf '%f install\n'|dpkg --set-selections; apt-get dselect-upgrade; |
| 06:14.55 | Guerin | aye, well, I won't be either |
| 06:15.18 | yigal | el_isma: i believe that you can make multiple sessions of what ever gui you are using, but i am not sure how, so i take back what i said, but it would be a little complicated |
| 06:15.34 | lgc | Wyzard, I'm back. Writing a file under /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d didn't work, but writing one under /etc/modprobe with "blacklist hw_random" DID work. Probably it's much ado about nothing but at last I got rid of the pesky "error" message. |
| 06:15.38 | el_isma | yigal, Wyzard: How would you go about choosing which one to run? |
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| 06:16.14 | Wyzard | el_isma: I don't know of any good way to do that other than by running startx manually from a console login |
| 06:16.28 | Wyzard | el_isma: xorg's configuration situation is sort of a mess... I've heard they're working on improving it though |
| 06:16.32 | yigal | el_isma: i use startx |
| 06:17.05 | Wyzard | lgc: complete waste of time IMO, since the message is completely harmless, but it's good that you got the blacklist to work |
| 06:17.10 | el_isma | wyzard, yigal: How do you choose serverlayout with startx? |
| 06:17.25 | el_isma | "-layout layoutname"? |
| 06:17.33 | el_isma | man pages are so lovely :P |
| 06:17.44 | Wyzard | something like that, but it's been years since I've actually done it |
| 06:17.51 | Kevin` | firefox is slow |
| 06:17.57 | streuner_ | !be a man page barbie |
| 06:17.57 | dpkg | Aww, man page is HARD! Let's go shopping, streuner_ |
| 06:17.59 | Wyzard | In general I don't see much need for different layouts |
| 06:18.21 | yigal | el_isma: i use dwm which is very minimalistic and is as close to a terminal as gui come :) |
| 06:18.25 | lgc | Wyzard, it's not a waste of time, 'cuz before our conversation I had no ****ing idea of 'blacklisting' or 'entropy pool', for that matter. |
| 06:18.26 | Guerin | WTF, k3b won't do mp4 either |
| 06:18.38 | Guerin | fuck's sakes, it's not as if it's an uncommon format |
| 06:18.48 | Wyzard | lgc: fair enough, you learned a lot in the process |
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| 06:19.00 | lgc | Wyzard, indeed. |
| 06:19.03 | Acu | I have no repositories |
| 06:19.15 | ice63 | Guerin: will wodim do it ? |
| 06:19.16 | Wyzard | lgc: but I do think it's pointless to actually blacklist that module |
| 06:19.25 | el_isma | Wyzard: I have a laptop with vga out. I want to choose either only LCD(internal), LCD+OUT in clone, LCD+OUT in Xinerama... |
| 06:19.34 | unlink | gvim doesn't show an icon in alt-tab. how can if ix that? |
| 06:19.49 | Wyzard | ice63: wodim is just for operating a CD burner, not decoding compressed audio in preparation for burning |
| 06:19.57 | Wyzard | ah |
| 06:20.06 | Kevin` | ice63 wodim is for burning files to cd, it doesn't do anything other then the most basic format conversion |
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| 06:20.19 | lgc | Wyzard, but tell me: How is it that I banned the hardware RNG and not the software one? |
| 06:20.22 | Kevin` | (it will burn properly formatted wav files, I think) |
| 06:20.22 | ice63 | ok |
| 06:20.30 | yigal | Acu: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main - change sid to what ever distribution you are using |
| 06:21.57 | Wyzard | lgc: The hardware RNG is a separate driver, apparently... you mentioned a "hw_random.ko" |
| 06:22.15 | Kevin` | hmm, it seems that armel only has 'unstable'? |
| 06:22.31 | Wyzard | lgc: although, I don't see any hw_random.ko on my systems... there's a hw_random *directory* which contains amd-rng.ko, geode-rng.ko, and intel-rng.ko |
| 06:22.51 | Wyzard | lgc: What kernel version are you using? |
| 06:23.09 | el_isma | How do I startx a kdm? |
| 06:23.20 | lgc | Wyzard, 2.6.17 |
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| 06:24.03 | Wyzard | lgc: etch's 2.6.18 has the hw_random directory with those separate .ko files |
| 06:24.07 | liable | el_isma: you dont, its run from init scripts |
| 06:24.09 | Acu | el_isma: did you try kdm |
| 06:24.12 | Wyzard | and on a 32-bit system, there's also via-rng.ko -- that's what my C7-based system uses |
| 06:24.21 | lgc | Wyzard, /lib/modules/2.6.17-12-386/kernel/drivers/char/hw_random.ko . |
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| 06:24.30 | el_isma | Acu: would that be: startx kdm ? |
| 06:24.39 | Wyzard | lgc: Looks like the hardware RNG driver was reworked between 2.6.17 and 2.6.18 |
| 06:24.45 | Wyzard | lgc: Why are you running an old kernel, anyway? |
| 06:24.53 | Wyzard | lgc: 2.6.18 is the supported version in etch |
| 06:25.28 | Acu | el_isma: I forgot exactly - just try it |
| 06:25.31 | lgc | Wyzard, you got me there (but please don't lapidate me!) I'm on Ubuntu Edgy. |
| 06:26.08 | yigal | lgc: im sorry |
| 06:26.15 | lgc | Wyzard, no hurt feelings? |
| 06:26.21 | el_isma | Acu: nope, that doesn't work |
| 06:26.42 | lgc | yigal, I won't engage in a flames war! |
| 06:27.09 | Wyzard | lgc: edgy isn't supported here so it'd be your problem if advice from here didn't work on your system, but I'm not offended or anything |
| 06:27.23 | Wyzard | lgc: however, edgy uses 2.6.20 |
| 06:27.29 | yigal | lgc: ubuntu and debian are all one happy family ? :) |
| 06:27.39 | el_isma | Wyzard: That's Feisty |
| 06:27.45 | Wyzard | oh, oops |
| 06:27.54 | streuner_ | Wyzard: read /topic |
| 06:28.12 | lgc | Wyzard, after all, Debian is the 'father' of Ubuntu, and therefore many technical issues do translate well. |
| 06:28.25 | glguy | from topic: " THIS IS NOT #ubuntu " |
| 06:28.31 | el_isma | !ubuntu |
| 06:28.32 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu - See also <based on debian caveats>. |
| 06:28.35 | Wyzard | streuner_: yes, I know... that doesn't mean we can't even mention it |
| 06:28.39 | el_isma | the always friendly dpkg :) |
| 06:28.51 | el_isma | though, I don't agree with that policy |
| 06:29.03 | Wyzard | lgc: You'd have more people mad at you if it turned out that what you were asking about was something that worked differently in Ubuntu |
| 06:29.03 | streuner_ | Wyzard: well, you are answering questions about |
| 06:29.18 | Wyzard | lgc: because then people here would have wasted their time giving you advice that doesn't apply to your system |
| 06:29.29 | Wyzard | lgc: That's why Ubuntu questions are off-limits here |
| 06:29.42 | Wyzard | lgc: Fortunately the two are the same in this particular case, so it turned out OK |
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| 06:29.57 | lgc | Wyzard, I disagree on that. Everything you have told me so far does fit. |
| 06:30.40 | liable | lgc: just be happy he helped, but please do not start a ubuntu is the same as debian argument in here. |
| 06:30.43 | Wyzard | but that's just because we were only discussing one particular topic |
| 06:30.47 | Wyzard | Lots of other stuff does differ |
| 06:32.56 | lgc | Wyzard, I buy that. I remember when I dist-upgraded my ubuntu I ended up with a real debian, because someone 'helped' me enabling the debian repositories on the sources.list file. |
| 06:33.42 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 06:33.47 | Guerin | fun fun |
| 06:34.05 | Wyzard | though you didn't end up with a "real Debian" |
| 06:34.08 | Cope | having problems with usig bitlbee out of inetd; default installation just seems to refuse connections |
| 06:34.18 | Wyzard | you ended up with something neither Debian nor Ubuntu, nor supported by anyone |
| 06:34.19 | Cope | daemon mode works |
| 06:34.34 | lgc | Wyzard, I'm happy to hear that Debian does finally use the 2.6 kernel, anyway. |
| 06:34.53 | Cope | 6667 stream tcp nowait bitlbee /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/bitlbee |
| 06:34.57 | Wyzard | lgc: The previous release (sarge) had 2.6.8, you know... it just wasn't used by default |
| 06:34.59 | Cope | is the line - looks ok? |
| 06:35.00 | yigal | lgc: talk about no flame war |
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| 06:35.10 | Wyzard | because when sarge was released, there were still stability concerns about 2.6 |
| 06:35.18 | lgc | Wyzard, the splash screen was a 'real debian' one. Only my system didn't work at all! |
| 06:35.19 | Cope | but i can't telnet to 6667 |
| 06:35.44 | yigal | lgc: debian in general doesn't care about having a splash screen - imo |
| 06:35.50 | liable | didnt debian have a 2.6 kernel before ubuntu was even born? |
| 06:36.01 | Wyzard | lgc: The splash screen (I assume you mean the GDM theme) is not your entire installation... what you had was a very badly mis-installed and broken set of packages |
| 06:36.45 | lgc | yigal, Wyzard, why did Debian stick to the 2.4 kernel for so long? Is it "better"? |
| 06:36.56 | Wyzard | lgc: Not really, but 2.6.8 took a while to mature |
| 06:37.03 | lgc | Wyzard, you're right. |
| 06:37.14 | Wyzard | lgc: keep in mind that Debian gets used on mission-critical servers where stability is absolutely essential, and that's what the release process focuses on |
| 06:37.34 | Wyzard | oops, that is, 2.6 took a while to mature |
| 06:37.46 | Wyzard | didn't mean 2.6.8 specifically |
| 06:37.46 | yigal | lgc: debian did not stick to 2.4 for all that long, in testing and unstable |
| 06:38.13 | Wyzard | 2.6.8 was on the sarge install CD, but you'd have to type "linux26" at the boot prompt or it'd boot 2.4 |
| 06:38.30 | Wyzard | Many people didn't know that though, and just thought sarge didn't have 2.6 |
| 06:38.34 | lgc | Wyzard, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that some 'mission-critical' components on the Space Shuttle are Windows-driven =)! |
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| 06:39.15 | Wyzard | lgc: There was some US Navy ship that was left dead in the water for awhile several years ago, because several NT4 boxes crashed... :-) |
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| 06:39.45 | lgc | Wyzard, I bet they haven't learned the lesson yet... |
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| 06:46.42 | lgc | How can I get *cleanly* rid of many old kernel versions on my systems? Perhaps a GRUB command? |
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| 06:47.02 | Guerin | lgc: aptitude remove kernle-package-you-dont-want |
| 06:47.24 | yigal | or s/remove/purge is fine also |
| 06:47.36 | Networkgamer | how do i mount memory cards in ps3 linux? |
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| 06:47.42 | lgc | Guerin, thanks. And thereafter just delete the corresponding GRUB entry, I gather. |
| 06:47.49 | Guerin | !htfswk Networkgamer |
| 06:47.49 | dpkg | Networkgamer: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 06:48.13 | Guerin | lgc: the scripts should run update-grub; if not you can to so manually |
| 06:48.14 | Networkgamer | cause ubuntu is mostly debian,so problems in ubuntu could spawn from debian,and debian was ported to ps3 |
| 06:48.19 | yigal | Guerin: that rocks |
| 06:48.32 | Networkgamer | so i thought this channel might also be able to help |
| 06:48.56 | Guerin | Networkgamer: nope. ps3 isn't supported by debian, it's run by some totally different bunch of eejits. Likewise ubuntu. |
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| 06:49.09 | Networkgamer | sorry |
| 06:49.21 | Guerin | Networkgamer: not sure if there is a ps3 linux channel, thoug |
| 06:49.28 | Networkgamer | yeah |
| 06:49.38 | yigal | Guerin: sorry I Networkgamer was networkmanager which blows donkey **)&^ |
| 06:49.52 | Networkgamer | ps3 is barely big enough atm for a channel |
| 06:49.52 | Guerin | yigal: ? |
| 06:49.54 | lgc | Guerin, you mean when I do 'aptitude remove old_kernel_version' I get the GRUB entry deleted at the same time? |
| 06:50.05 | Guerin | lgc: in principle. |
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| 06:50.37 | yigal | Guerin: rambling of a too complex machine sorry |
| 06:50.41 | lgc | I'm glad four-letter words are not frown upon on this channel as they are on #ubuntu! |
| 06:50.50 | Guerin | yigal: either too complex, or not complex enough. |
| 06:51.02 | Guerin | lgc: i am fucking glad of that, also. |
| 06:51.02 | lgc | Guerin, let me try that... |
| 06:51.20 | lgc | Guerin, vive la liberté, what the fuck! |
| 06:51.26 | simonrvn | fuck the fucking fuckers, i say |
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| 06:51.42 | simonrvn | !tell PalaWan -about root |
| 06:52.05 | Guerin | although a city in this country is trying to pass a by-law prohibiting the use of certain words |
| 06:52.07 | lgc | you should see the fucking etiquette bigots on #ubuntu! |
| 06:52.49 | lgc | Guerin, you live in Afghanistan or Iran? |
| 06:53.09 | Guerin | if they grief you, call them a miseable bollocks and a bitch's bastard's whore - no swear words in there |
| 06:53.18 | Guerin | lgc: further south |
| 06:53.22 | Guerin | and colder |
| 06:53.25 | simonrvn | i'd understand if there were minors around, but still, 'fuck' is pretty much the central verb, noun, pronoun, adjective, expletive, participle of the english language |
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| 06:54.02 | lgc | Guerin, Saudi Arabia? |
| 06:54.15 | Guerin | lgc: since when was saudi arabia colder than Iran? |
| 06:54.32 | lgc | Guerin, at least it's more 'south'. |
| 06:54.40 | simonrvn | lgc: go study some global geography |
| 06:54.48 | Guerin | for reference, it's the same city which also tried to circumvent the Bill of RIghts Act and Human Rights Act by barring gang members from the CBD |
| 06:54.55 | yigal | simonrvn: its all about firtility and production 'fuck' is a great word |
| 06:54.57 | lgc | simonrvn, I got a globe with me right now... |
| 06:55.14 | Acu | I have a 150 GB HDD how to partition it best for webserver (with postgresql and php) ? |
| 06:55.19 | simonrvn | Guerin: fuck... CBD? |
| 06:55.26 | Guerin | simonrvn: central business district |
| 06:55.28 | simonrvn | central biz. district? |
| 06:55.30 | Guerin | the main drag, like |
| 06:55.46 | Wyzard | where the skyscrapers are, typically |
| 06:55.47 | simonrvn | doh, i remembered from the convo the other day when i typed it =) |
| 06:55.50 | Acu | Is it best to have all the websites in /var/www ? |
| 06:55.57 | lgc | Guerin, where the FUCK are you? |
| 06:56.08 | Guerin | lgc: i'm in /whoisland |
| 06:56.27 | Acu | and have /var in different partition (the biggest?) |
| 06:56.30 | simonrvn | should i give him a clue? |
| 06:56.39 | lgc | Guerin, that certainly doesn't seem to be anywhere on my globe. |
| 06:56.58 | yigal | lgc: think outside of the globe |
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| 06:57.03 | simonrvn | starts with a n |
| 06:57.09 | Guerin | Acu: 100MB /boot; 10G /; 10G /usr; 10G /home; the rest /var |
| 06:57.31 | simonrvn | !tell PalaWan_ -about root |
| 06:57.31 | lgc | yigal, huh? |
| 06:58.51 | Acu | Guerin: thanks |
| 06:59.05 | liable | wheres the 200G pron partition? |
| 06:59.23 | Guerin | liable: 127.0.0.1 |
| 06:59.27 | simonrvn | liable: only in your mind |
| 06:59.32 | streuner_ | haha |
| 06:59.36 | Guerin | pron is overrated |
| 06:59.37 | Acu | Guerin: wait! and swap 3Gb ? (I have 1.5 Gb of RAM) |
| 06:59.53 | Wyzard | Hey, cool, CUPS 1.3 (to be released soon) will support discovery of printers via Avahi |
| 06:59.59 | Guerin | Acu: don't bother. Use swapfiles - but they should never be accessed anyway |
| 07:00.13 | liable | avahi, isnt that the thing that installs mdns? |
| 07:00.30 | Wyzard | yeah, it's an open-source mDNS implementation |
| 07:00.58 | Wyzard | OSX uses a fork of CUPS that already does mDNS-based printer discovery, and network-based printers are already supporting it |
| 07:01.05 | liable | stupid java depends on that for reasons i cannot fathom |
| 07:01.12 | Wyzard | so I'd been hoping to see it in the mainstream CUPS, and now they're delivering |
| 07:01.41 | Wyzard | yeah, that does seem odd, but it doesn't bother me since I have Avahi installed anyway |
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| 07:01.49 | Wyzard | It's pretty useful |
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| 07:02.28 | lgc | Guerin, what's the name of the kernel packages? |
| 07:02.44 | Acu | Guerin: for boot should I choose ext3 ? Obviously I do not have windows... |
| 07:03.09 | simonrvn | !tell PalaWan -about root |
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| 07:03.47 | DavidProck1981 | holy mother fucking shit, how the hell |
| 07:04.00 | liable | PalaWan: you need to log in as a normal user and start your irc client |
| 07:04.12 | DavidProck1981 | i got a WM to run inside a WM |
| 07:04.28 | DavidProck1981 | gnome inside ion3 |
| 07:04.41 | Wyzard | GNOME isn't a WM |
| 07:04.51 | streuner_ | good luck :-) |
| 07:04.53 | DavidProck1981 | u get what i mena |
| 07:05.02 | simonrvn | no we don't |
| 07:05.08 | Wyzard | You're running GNOME with ion3 instead of metacity as the WM? |
| 07:05.19 | Wyzard | (metacity being GNOME's "normal" WM) |
| 07:05.27 | DavidProck1981 | tits a dastopp inviroment wit its has its won window manager |
| 07:05.55 | yigal | i like boobs also |
| 07:06.32 | liable | !typosmite DavidProck1981 |
| 07:06.44 | lgc | yigal, aren't they great when they're great? |
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| 07:07.08 | simonrvn | liable: hehe, first time i've seen that one =) |
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| 07:07.49 | Ale1 | hi everybody |
| 07:07.59 | liable | simonrvn: really? tis an oldie but a goody :) |
| 07:08.07 | DavidProck1981 | liable:, makes DavidProck1981 read all of "War and Pease" in random order ????? |
| 07:08.11 | Ale1 | i'm french, i'm sorry for my bad english |
| 07:08.16 | liable | PalaWan: dude, you cant talk in here because your are irc'ing as root |
| 07:08.24 | simonrvn | liable: i remember now... just been a while heh |
| 07:08.52 | liable | DavidProck1981: ah, i see you have decoded the matrix! |
| 07:09.07 | simonrvn | peas? |
| 07:09.11 | Ale1 | the package mythTV doesn't work and I think the problem is libglib1.2 |
| 07:09.36 | yigal | Ale1: i think the problem is watching tv but thats mo |
| 07:09.41 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:10.08 | yigal | DavidProck1981: vegetarians unite and bring world peas |
| 07:10.25 | Ale1 | someone can help me please |
| 07:10.25 | DavidProck1981 | :) im vegan |
| 07:11.26 | yigal | DavidProck1981: i used to be, too difficult for me, i think it can be a good thing |
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| 07:11.53 | DavidProck1981 | how was it difficult |
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| 07:12.07 | yigal | DavidProck1981: dealing with the family |
| 07:12.14 | DavidProck1981 | ? |
| 07:12.41 | yigal | DavidProck1981: your grandmother is 97 and she made this cake and your not going to eat it? what are you some kind of monster |
| 07:12.53 | Guerin | Acu: just ask your question |
| 07:13.24 | DavidProck1981 | i would have it made known to the family before something like that would happen |
| 07:13.33 | Acu | About temp file how big should it be? |
| 07:13.42 | Acu | and all files ext3 ? |
| 07:13.49 | Acu | all partitions I meant |
| 07:13.49 | yigal | DavidProck1981: no uncle im defending the rights of poor cows who are shot full of stuff they shouldn't be and die 1/2 as young as they should have to |
| 07:13.56 | Ale1 | i have libglib 2.x but it want to me install the libglib1.2 |
| 07:13.56 | Guerin | Acu: do you mean partition? |
| 07:14.14 | yigal | DavidProck1981: of course they knew |
| 07:15.14 | DavidProck1981 | yigal, and besides onec u get ALL dairy out of your system and stay clean a good while, , then if u instak some dairy it will hurt u, THAT GOES FOR EVERY ONE |
| 07:15.23 | DavidProck1981 | intake* |
| 07:15.36 | simonrvn | uh, no it doesn't |
| 07:16.15 | Acu | yes |
| 07:16.21 | DavidProck1981 | get all forms of dairy out of your system for a year and some then tri to eat some with out puking and shoic pain |
| 07:16.35 | Acu | guerin: yes partition |
| 07:17.07 | simonrvn | tell that to people that consume dairy for as long as they can remember, like the masai (sp?) |
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| 07:17.32 | liable | DavidProck1981: same goes for any fatty food when your not used to eating eat |
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| 07:17.54 | simonrvn | people shouldn't go preaching if they don't know wtf they're talking about |
| 07:18.08 | DavidProck1981 | true, cause we not ment to eat meat |
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| 07:18.24 | yigal | for instance i just climbed Mt. Whitney the tallest peak in the contiguous US and I nearly puked at the top, but shurpas would have no problem at a much higher altitude |
| 07:19.05 | yigal | so i am not meant to climb tall mountains but shurpas are ? |
| 07:19.18 | yigal | shurpa (sp?) |
| 07:19.30 | Wyzard | "sherpa", I think |
| 07:19.32 | simonrvn | you can't force an euro-centric/western-centric anything on anyone. that's just hidden (or not so hidden) colonialism. so please, be quiet |
| 07:19.37 | simonrvn | sherpa |
| 07:19.45 | yigal | good |
| 07:19.51 | DavidProck1981 | it just means u dod something your body did ont like |
| 07:20.15 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 07:20.17 | liable | see, veaganism causes you to type badly! |
| 07:20.33 | DavidProck1981 | lol ive allways been a bad typer |
| 07:21.46 | Acu | yigal: two reasons - one: they were naturally selected thousands of years - better sherpa gets better girl more kids - second: high altitude low oxygen stimulates erytropoietin and red blood celll formation - so they are adapted (you might get that but it needs 120 days |
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| 07:22.48 | simonrvn | yes you get that, and your chest expands somewhat too, but not as much as if you grew up there and your ancestors did |
| 07:23.05 | DavidProck1981 | that is the same way with dairy, your body tries to adapt, but it still hurts u |
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| 07:23.39 | simonrvn | we're animals too, some people want to forget that, and say and act as if they aren't a part of nature, or it isn't a part of us |
| 07:24.04 | DavidProck1981 | simonrvn and that means |
| 07:24.06 | |DawnLight| | sounds interesting, what are we talking about? |
| 07:24.13 | yigal | DavidProck1981: Acu yes, it was the 2nd point in generalization that I was pointing out, that we become acclimated to certain stimuli, be it dairy or elevation depending on our behaviours |
| 07:24.19 | simonrvn | stuff |
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| 07:25.27 | DavidProck1981 | (03:17:28 AM) simonrvn: we're animals too, some people want to forget that, and say and act as if they aren't a part of nature, or it isn't a part of us |
| 07:25.30 | DavidProck1981 | LMAO |
| 07:25.41 | Acu | yigal: not always - if you miss certain enzymes to digest milk proteins you will make caca very often and never adapt - for others you may - |
| 07:25.59 | |DawnLight| | did anyone read ishmael? |
| 07:26.04 | DavidProck1981 | it that is your clame to eat meat, lol so u saying all animals in the world eat meat lol |
| 07:26.21 | |DawnLight| | !lol |
| 07:26.21 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 07:26.32 | |DawnLight| | hmm |
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| 07:26.42 | yigal | dpkg: he is lolling you into a deep satisfying laughter |
| 07:26.42 | dpkg | ...but he is already something else... |
| 07:26.58 | |DawnLight| | !he |
| 07:26.58 | dpkg | from memory, he is alone in the house left to him by the death of his parents, even though he's only feet away from the sister he's always been much closer than to anyone else. From his hidden room, he views life through concealed video cameras. Life is only real to him when he sees it on a monitor, and on most of those monitors is his sister. |
| 07:27.43 | |DawnLight| | omg |
| 07:27.44 | simonrvn | see i can't eat milk and related, escept cheese, but i limit that severely; meat i eat, but wild stuff i get from friends, or bison. i don't touch beef. and lotsa green stuff and fruit =) |
| 07:27.52 | simonrvn | !factinfo he |
| 07:27.53 | dpkg | he -- created by laurens__ <n=laurens@213-193-182-46.adsl.easynet.be> at Mon Oct 31 17:56:27 2005 (649 days); it has been requested 18 times, last by |DawnLight|, 54s ago. |
| 07:27.53 | databuddy | Fact: The CIA, desperate to undermine Fidel Castro’s popularity, once planned to put hair-remover inside his shoes during an oversea trip so his famous beard would fall out |
| 07:27.53 | yigal | expose its open irc at #debian |
| 07:28.40 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 07:28.43 | liable | that he factoid is quite disturbing |
| 07:28.52 | simonrvn | delete? |
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| 07:28.56 | |DawnLight| | no |
| 07:28.57 | simonrvn | was about to |
| 07:29.08 | liable | nah, i just find it disturning :) |
| 07:29.17 | |DawnLight| | its part of dpkg's mistery |
| 07:29.18 | liable | well, interestingly disturbing |
| 07:29.20 | Acu | what is the most quiet running dual core workstation /server ? |
| 07:29.37 | yigal | liable: Fidel without his bear or the CIAs tactics or conspiracy theories |
| 07:29.37 | liable | depends on how you cool it.. |
| 07:29.54 | liable | yigal: neither |
| 07:30.08 | yigal | liable: none of the above |
| 07:30.10 | |DawnLight| | water cooled can be dead quiet |
| 07:30.26 | yigal | |DawnLight|: cold as ice? |
| 07:30.48 | Acu | DawnLight: OK that is why those cases are at least $200 |
| 07:31.48 | |DawnLight| | colder then air coooling |
| 07:32.14 | Acu | Today I got toasted an Athlon XP RIP |
| 07:32.30 | yigal | |DawnLight|: it depends on the air, cooling is delta temperature and while energy is lost it isn't absolute |
| 07:32.53 | yigal | Acu: sorry to hear |
| 07:32.54 | Acu | I bought a ANTECH power supply from Tiger - and it sucks - runs so hot that I am afraid to let it on |
| 07:33.03 | |DawnLight| | delta? |
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| 07:33.15 | yigal | DavidProck1981: T_final - T_initial |
| 07:33.17 | |DawnLight| | alpha beta gamma delta? |
| 07:33.46 | DavidProck1981 | ? |
| 07:34.01 | yigal | |DawnLight|: T_final - T_initial |
| 07:34.12 | yigal | DavidProck1981: sorry, autocomplete got you not Dawn |
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| 07:34.33 | |DawnLight| | i actually like the fan noise. i'm used to it. it helps me concentrate |
| 07:35.52 | Acu | Somebody was saying that water is cooler too than air (which maybe) but I think most servers are air based why ? |
| 07:36.13 | |DawnLight| | speaking of autocomplete, are you talking about autocompletion of the nicknames? i would like to use that but i've never seen that feature in any client. i use ksirc |
| 07:36.20 | liable | because data cemtres dont give a fuck how noisy it is :) |
| 07:36.40 | yigal | |DawnLight|: try irssi |
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| 07:41.06 | slurpee | anyone know how to log scp sessions ? |
| 07:41.21 | slurpee | or if cron will log scp transfer rates ? |
| 07:41.41 | x3on | I tried installling flashplugin-nonfree with the contrib repo enabled, and it says "No candidate version found for flashplugin-nonfree" |
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| 07:46.55 | valdyn | x3on: flashplugin-nonfree is not in contrib |
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| 07:51.07 | x3on | valdyn: Package: flashplugin-nonfree (9.0.48.0.2) [contrib] |
| 07:51.33 | x3on | debian wiki |
| 07:51.34 | x3on | Make sure that "contrib" is in your /etc/apt/sources.list and run this as root: apt-get update apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 07:52.16 | simonrvn | aptc policy flash...: 500 http://ftp.fr.debian.org unstable/contrib Packages |
| 07:52.31 | simonrvn | Installed: 9.0.48.0.2 |
| 07:54.11 | ApEtc | Someone almost said my name |
| 07:55.29 | x3on | so ah... how do i get this package installed ;b |
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| 07:56.09 | simonrvn | the usual way |
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| 07:58.38 | x3on | i tried |
| 07:58.46 | x3on | it says "No candidate version found for flashplugin-nonfree" |
| 07:58.49 | x3on | what does that mean |
| 07:59.08 | jetscreamer | it means.... |
| 07:59.10 | jetscreamer | !contrib |
| 07:59.10 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in debian (possibly in contrib or non-free) To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
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| 08:03.41 | simonrvn | x3on: try adding non-free too... maybe it's listed as under contrib, but really is in non-free like valdyn suggested |
| 08:04.07 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 08:04.09 | simonrvn | Filename: pool/contrib/f/flashplugin-nonfree/flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.48.0.2_i386.deb |
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| 08:04.23 | simonrvn | weird |
| 08:06.35 | x3on | thanks simonvrn, i did that and its done :-) |
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| 08:10.51 | markybob | damn...can someone remind me what the apache2 ssl factoid is called? |
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| 08:13.07 | Bogus8 | how do you install compiz themes cgwdtheme I've searched all over but all I find is references to how to turn them into emerald themes |
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| 08:24.27 | simonrvn | x3on: cool |
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| 08:30.13 | simonrvn | valdyn probably knew this hence him saying "it's not in contrib". it's not but in the past i've noticed odd behaviour like that sometimes |
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| 08:31.13 | zapalotta | Hello. My system disk with etch broke. I'm just reinstalling etch now on a new HD. all data is on two MD arrays in LVM. How do I get those back? |
| 08:32.06 | jetscreamer | listkeys apache2 ? |
| 08:32.43 | jetscreamer | !apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 08:32.43 | dpkg | somebody said apache2-ssl-certificate was no longer present: use make-ssl-cert from package ssl-cert instead. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=398520 |
| 08:32.45 | jetscreamer | that? |
| 08:33.04 | jetscreamer | o |
| 08:33.08 | jetscreamer | him go byebye |
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| 08:33.53 | liable | i saw something the other day about a module for having multiple vhosts using ssl but canney find it |
| 08:34.29 | simonrvn | i just do it manually, per ip, with 'regular' vhosts |
| 08:34.46 | jetscreamer | i just send a msg to my webhost :) |
| 08:35.10 | liable | heh |
| 08:35.56 | DustyBin | (Operating system) Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (SP2), version 5.1.2600 (81 processes running, 377.82MB free RAM, installed 19w 4d 6h 32m 39s ago, 1w 1d 10h 26m 3s uptime, 1w 1d 10h 26m 3s uptime record) |
| 08:36.18 | liable | thanks.. |
| 08:36.34 | DustyBin | shit wrong window |
| 08:37.37 | Bogus8 | how do you install compiz themes cgwdtheme I've searched all over but all I find is references to how to turn them into emerald themes |
| 08:38.15 | Bogus8 | gnome-look.org has to be the worst site as far as documentation is concerned |
| 08:39.25 | Bogus8 | DustyBin: you don't say ;) |
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| 08:49.15 | xand | what can I do if the amd64 etch netinstall cd won't boot any further than "NET: Registered protocol family 2"? |
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| 08:54.34 | liable | heh, acticon neosphincter.. |
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| 09:09.03 | ribasushi | hi |
| 09:09.03 | dimir | Moin! |
| 09:09.45 | ribasushi | I want to take a piece of software that is provided by Debian (exim), and compile my own very stripped down version of it, while still resulting in a .deb file that I can easily manipulate with apt |
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| 09:09.52 | ribasushi | is there a document describing this? |
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| 09:13.02 | liable | !nm |
| 09:13.02 | dpkg | well, nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 09:13.43 | liable | thats probably a good place to start. though if you get the source deb, you can skip a lot of it, and just build it with your configure options or whatever it is you need to do |
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| 09:23.16 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:23.16 | dpkg | perlmonkey: grow a sense of humor |
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| 09:29.49 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:29.50 | dpkg | < bouncing> This is not a Debian question, but you guys probably use Thinkpads... :) Can I take apart a thinkpad screen and literally remove an insect? < greycat> hahaha |
| 09:29.56 | liable | ah, good |
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| 09:41.43 | zapalotta | where can I find informations about upgrading from etch to testing? |
| 09:41.59 | liable | !release notes |
| 09:41.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, release notes is http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes |
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| 09:44.17 | liable | oh, i totally misread that... there are no docs for upgrading to testing |
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| 09:45.23 | MilhousePunkRock | Hello everyone! |
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| 09:46.08 | MilhousePunkRock | Where and how would I apply these settings so they are permanent: http://mediatomb.cc/pages/documentation#id3074067 |
| 09:46.18 | xand | !etch->lenny |
| 09:46.18 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
| 09:47.57 | Guerin | MilhousePunkRock: you can set both in /etc/network/interfaces; man interfaces should tell you how |
| 09:48.08 | MilhousePunkRock | Guerin: Thanks! |
| 09:48.56 | Guerin | man, that's the emoest app name evar |
| 09:49.13 | simonrvn | which? |
| 09:49.20 | Guerin | MediaTomb |
| 09:49.27 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 09:49.39 | Guerin | it looks frighteningly insecure as well |
| 09:49.51 | MilhousePunkRock | Guerin: Hehe... It's more death metal than emo I would guess, according to one of the devs |
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| 09:50.05 | MilhousePunkRock | Guerin: What is insecure about it? |
| 09:50.16 | Guerin | emo is just death metal for wimps |
| 09:50.32 | Guerin | The server has an integrated file system browser in the UI, that means that anyone who has access to the UI can browse your file system (with user permissions under which the server is running) |
| 09:50.33 | MilhousePunkRock | I wish my lawn was emo so it would cut itself |
| 09:51.07 | liable | huh? |
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| 09:51.25 | MilhousePunkRock | Guerin: Indeed, but they do stress that this is a possible vulnerability. Anyway, there is no untrusted access in my network |
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| 09:51.43 | Guerin | MilhousePunkRock: of which you're aware |
| 09:52.07 | MilhousePunkRock | Guerin: The most untrusted thing here is the Windows laptop of my girlfriend... |
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| 10:13.55 | yigal | i had a problem with a file called "yes" that keeps showing up in the folders i do work in. i am wondering if anyone has had this problem or could help me with it |
| 10:14.37 | yigal | i asked this question a couple of hours before but i had deleted the last one. now i have another and i would like to know what to do with it |
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| 10:16.36 | yigal | please |
| 10:16.51 | nomatter | hi |
| 10:17.05 | yigal | hello |
| 10:17.14 | lordrich | yigal: what are you doing when this file appears? |
| 10:17.21 | lordrich | yigal: what's the content of the file? |
| 10:17.26 | nomatter | i get the error (try to translate because it's german): Waiting for header! |
| 10:17.35 | lordrich | yigal: what's the ownership of the file? |
| 10:17.38 | nomatter | when i try to update with: aptitude update |
| 10:17.43 | nomatter | and there aptitude stops |
| 10:18.05 | nomatter | anybody an idea what i can do? |
| 10:18.08 | yigal | lordrich: i own the file, i was reading mutt - for this time but it kreeps up everywhere |
| 10:18.14 | lordrich | nomatter: sounds like it's failing to connect, check the servers listed in your sources are online |
| 10:18.25 | yigal | s/k/c |
| 10:18.45 | nomatter | lordrich: thx i'll do |
| 10:18.51 | lordrich | anything inside the file? |
| 10:19.06 | yigal | lordrich: yes but i can't read it with vim etc. |
| 10:19.38 | lordrich | what filetype does file say it is? |
| 10:19.40 | yigal | lordrich: I did 'file' on it and got "GNU dbm 1.x or ndbm database, little endian" |
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| 10:21.02 | lordrich | have a look at your process list to see if anything is running that shouldn't be |
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| 10:22.33 | yigal | i am not sure how to do this properly. i used ps -A | less and it seems ok? |
| 10:22.56 | frojnd | how can I check what distro I use in command line ? |
| 10:23.11 | yigal | lordrich: could having a postgres daemon running do this? |
| 10:23.15 | simonrvn | !version |
| 10:23.15 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
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| 10:24.10 | lordrich | yigal: don't kow, I've now suggested everything I'd look at |
| 10:24.32 | yigal | lordrich: ok its google time again |
| 10:25.09 | lhunath | http://www.lhunath.lyndir.com/stuff/debian <-- how do I fix that? Basically, obconf won't install because it's dependancies don't have any installation candidates. |
| 10:25.40 | simonrvn | lhunath: just wait for them |
| 10:25.48 | simonrvn | !hold |
| 10:25.49 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
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| 10:27.06 | lhunath | I see its dependancies *are* available for a lower version. I'm terrible with apt for now; would it be possible to install a lower version of obconf? |
| 10:28.19 | lhunath | how would I do that? ;x |
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| 10:29.58 | lhunath | eg. obconf 1.6-1 instead of 2.0.2-1 |
| 10:31.12 | yigal | lhunath: if you are using openbox as a single user on your machine consider going to their website they have debs available that are for the latest openbox and everything works |
| 10:31.45 | lhunath | hmm. ok. the latest openbox isn't in the debian tree yet? |
| 10:31.52 | yigal | lhunath: i am not endorsing this method, but if you really want the latest greatest in a deb format for this program you might want to consider this |
| 10:32.12 | simonrvn | it is, just that obconf got an update, but the libs for it haven't been built yet |
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| 10:32.19 | lhunath | I see. For now, just a way of configuring ob will do. |
| 10:32.26 | simonrvn | might want to go see incoming.d.o |
| 10:33.08 | yigal | lhunath: i believe obconf really only helps primarily for theming |
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| 10:33.33 | simonrvn | makes the themes, the rest you can edit the rc.xml by hand ;) |
| 10:33.40 | lhunath | Also, is there a tool that can make interaction with the package manager a bit more .. doable? I really find apt-* to be a nightmare to work with, if only because its output is so hard to read and it's split up in so many different commands. |
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| 10:33.58 | Kevin` | lhunath aptitude |
| 10:34.09 | simonrvn | it has a 'reconfigure' option so you don't even have to restart x |
| 10:34.23 | yigal | lhunath: i agree for less number of tools, try aptitude |
| 10:35.07 | lhunath | yeah, but aptitude is curses. I like command line tools. |
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| 10:35.22 | lhunath | and I like few keystrokes :P |
| 10:35.42 | yigal | it has command line options |
| 10:35.54 | yigal | aptitude install, purge, search etc. |
| 10:36.33 | lhunath | coming from gentoo where eix regex gave me everything I needed to know this is a little frustrating sometimes. I looked at ara, but there you need to write a book on the prompt before you can run a command. ;X |
| 10:36.38 | lhunath | ah, interesting. |
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| 10:37.22 | yigal | lhunath: i don't know what you want |
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| 10:39.15 | lhunath | yigal: looks like the command line interface to aptitude might help. I had some issues trying to search through installed packages for keywords. apt-cache search --installed "keywords" wasn't doing what I thought it would. |
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| 10:39.37 | bAndie91 | hi everies! |
| 10:39.50 | yigal | lhunath: give me an example of what you want to find? |
| 10:40.00 | bAndie91 | ive got some problems |
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| 10:40.14 | bAndie91 | vlock and xlock dont works perfectly |
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| 10:41.47 | _Umi_ | hi! |
| 10:42.00 | bAndie91 | hi |
| 10:42.29 | bAndie91 | vlock and xlock dont works perfectly |
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| 10:43.06 | _Umi_ | please - how to remove package with dependencies in proper way - for example MTA - exim4 - I'm using now --force-depends |
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| 10:43.24 | _Umi_ | but this seems to be not clean solution |
| 10:43.31 | bAndie91 | apt-get remove package |
| 10:43.34 | yigal | _Umi_: you shuld install another mta that is the only problem |
| 10:43.44 | _Umi_ | is it possible to use something like metapackage insead of force-depends? |
| 10:43.45 | yigal | _Umi_: a very small one |
| 10:43.56 | bAndie91 | apt-get autoclean |
| 10:44.00 | dallas | can some one tell me how to get prozillagui on ecthy |
| 10:44.09 | yigal | _Umi_: really just install a small mta and then remove exim |
| 10:44.14 | _Umi_ | well - the another MTA is qmail - which is not in package |
| 10:44.55 | _Umi_ | then I have mutt dependant on exim4 MTA (or any other) |
| 10:45.01 | _Umi_ | but I still want to have mutt |
| 10:45.06 | _Umi_ | but no MTA from package |
| 10:45.06 | yigal | _Umi_: just use a really small mta, and install qmail |
| 10:45.17 | _Umi_ | yigal: what is small mta? |
| 10:45.26 | yigal | _Umi_: sendmail |
| 10:45.34 | _Umi_ | uhuh |
| 10:45.40 | _Umi_ | but then after another update |
| 10:45.52 | lordrich | yigal: sendmail small?! ha! |
| 10:45.57 | _Umi_ | it will replace links to qmail's sendmail |
| 10:46.05 | yigal | lordrich: 254K' |
| 10:46.06 | dallas | how do i install prozilla? |
| 10:46.11 | lordrich | if you really want a small mta then use nullmailer |
| 10:46.29 | yigal | _Umi_: you heard lordrich just install nullmailer or what ever |
| 10:46.44 | yigal | _Umi_: then uninstall exim4 |
| 10:46.55 | yigal | _Umi_: no problems |
| 10:47.26 | yigal | _Umi_: if you make a deb for qmail you can then worry about the dependencies and maybe uninstall nullmailer after that |
| 10:47.46 | yigal | _Umi_: geese what is your problem? |
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| 10:48.11 | _Umi_ | my problem is that I dont wanna have any other *working* MTA installed |
| 10:48.16 | dallas | sorry how do i get the prozgui deb package toinstall? |
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| 10:48.31 | _Umi_ | just something what will fulfill dependencies |
| 10:48.39 | _Umi_ | and that's it |
| 10:48.42 | yigal | _Umi_: the mta is not working if it isn't set up, if it is working as a daemon take it off of all run levels |
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| 10:49.01 | yigal | _Umi_: and then do what i told you before |
| 10:49.11 | _Umi_ | damn yigal - I know - but the problem is with clashing files |
| 10:49.17 | _Umi_ | /usr/lib/sendmail |
| 10:49.28 | _Umi_ | /usr/*/sendmail |
| 10:49.40 | _Umi_ | which are for qmail and also for package-MTA same |
| 10:49.47 | _Umi_ | the problem is |
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| 10:49.54 | _Umi_ | that after package update |
| 10:50.01 | _Umi_ | those files are usually updated |
| 10:50.03 | _Umi_ | and |
| 10:50.18 | _Umi_ | links to qmail are lost after that and replaced by updated from pkg |
| 10:50.21 | dallas | hello? |
| 10:50.23 | Yoda-- | hikenboot, is there people here on other arch than x86 and x86_64 that could test a package (runtime because I know they build, they are on unstable/testing) |
| 10:50.25 | _Umi_ | do you understand what I mean? |
| 10:50.32 | yigal | _Umi_: how did you install qmail? |
| 10:50.38 | _Umi_ | from sources |
| 10:50.58 | yigal | _Umi_: configure make make install? |
| 10:51.26 | _Umi_ | well - there is bernstain's installation procedure :) |
| 10:51.35 | _Umi_ | and also using patches |
| 10:51.38 | Yoda-- | argh, don't mind with hik*oot, I would say "hi people" |
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| 10:51.58 | yigal | _Umi_: what i am getting at is do you have control on all of the files that qmail installed? |
| 10:52.14 | _Umi_ | I do |
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| 10:52.40 | SoulChild | how to fix this: "ACPI Warning (tbfadt-0360): Ignoring BIOS FADT r2 C-state control " |
| 10:52.42 | yigal | _Umi_: so you can do apt-pinning on the files you do not want upgraded |
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| 10:52.58 | yigal | _Umi_: you can also delete qmail and reinstall pretty easily |
| 10:53.02 | yigal | _Umi_: |
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| 10:53.08 | yigal | _Umi_: ? ? |
| 10:53.18 | _Umi_ | hehe |
| 10:53.29 | _Umi_ | look - I can handle it by dpkg --force-depends |
| 10:53.32 | _Ahti | Could someone tell me just how compatible are Ubuntu and Debian? |
| 10:53.42 | _Umi_ | will hard-remove exim4 and thats it |
| 10:53.53 | _Umi_ | but what Im looking for is some kind of metapackage |
| 10:54.07 | yigal | _Umi_: you could make a meta package, i guess |
| 10:54.14 | _Umi_ | which will satisfy deps |
| 10:54.17 | lordrich | _Umi_: You mean like qmail-src |
| 10:54.28 | _Ahti | No one? |
| 10:54.30 | _Ahti | Ok |
| 10:54.30 | _Umi_ | lordrich: yes |
| 10:54.36 | yigal | _Ahti: why are you asking |
| 10:55.25 | _Ahti | Why? Various reasons... i prefer the "original" thing... But seeing as i'd need to recompile my kernel to get a few things going... Which to my knowledge already work under Ubuntu |
| 10:55.41 | _Ahti | There's lot's of things i need to do manually under Debian... And i just don't have the time, patience or interest -.- |
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| 10:55.55 | _Ahti | I need a fully working system and then fiddle around |
| 10:55.57 | _Ahti | ;) |
| 10:56.03 | yigal | _Ahti: why are you asking then |
| 10:56.15 | _Umi_ | yigal: you are from israel? :) |
| 10:56.29 | yigal | _Umi_: no, parents married there |
| 10:56.31 | _Ahti | Why WOULDN't i ask here? |
| 10:56.40 | SoulChild | hey all: what package do I need??? I have a Intel Card but Xorg says:(EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) |
| 10:56.42 | yigal | _Umi_: are you from israel? |
| 10:56.45 | _Ahti | You know you're going to get a biased answer in #ubuntu |
| 10:56.46 | _Umi_ | yigal: ok :) just according to your nick |
| 10:57.02 | _Umi_ | yigal: nope - but have friends there |
| 10:57.22 | yigal | _Umi_: its my 1st but my parents named me because they loved the land |
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| 10:57.31 | _Umi_ | yop :) |
| 10:57.35 | _Umi_ | nice name |
| 10:57.38 | Kevin` | _Ahti which things do you need to recompile your kernel for? there's no module packages for whatever it is? |
| 10:57.44 | yigal | _Umi_: ty :) |
| 10:57.55 | _Ahti | There's no packages for it... Unfortunately -.- |
| 10:58.01 | Kevin` | what is it = |
| 10:58.02 | Kevin` | p |
| 10:58.05 | _Ahti | And recompiling the kernel takes half a day |
| 10:58.09 | _Ahti | Makes me cry -.- |
| 10:58.24 | Kevin` | you have a slow computer or chose too many options :) |
| 10:58.28 | Kevin` | anyway, what is it :) |
| 10:58.38 | _Umi_ | ok - thanks guys - gone read something about metapkgs |
| 10:58.40 | _Umi_ | cya! |
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| 10:58.48 | yigal | _Ahti: look you have ubuntu, it works for you, enjoy |
| 10:59.00 | _Ahti | Yeah but Ubuntu is boring... |
| 10:59.04 | _Ahti | And i'm picky -.- |
| 10:59.20 | _Ahti | I loved OpenBSD because there was so much to do |
| 10:59.32 | Kevin` | lol |
| 10:59.37 | _Ahti | Right now i just need to know how compatible are Debian and Ubuntu |
| 10:59.45 | yigal | _Ahti: for what |
| 11:00.07 | _Ahti | In general |
| 11:00.21 | yigal | _Ahti: it depends, generally pretty compatible |
| 11:00.26 | Kevin` | both have large enough repositories that you shouldn't be crossing packages. what compatability do you mean |
| 11:00.47 | _Ahti | Hmmm, |
| 11:00.49 | Kevin` | your really gonna have to say, there's a lot you could mean =p |
| 11:01.47 | _Ahti | I know it's a pretty wide... thing -.- |
| 11:01.50 | yigal | _Ahti: personally i have no use for openoffice, gnome, or pretty sounds, or graphics so ubuntu is very nice but everyone has their own personal needs |
| 11:02.07 | _Ahti | I have no need for useless graphics either |
| 11:02.19 | yigal | excuse me s/very nice/very nice but not for me |
| 11:02.26 | _Ahti | but at the moment, I need a fully working system... |
| 11:02.34 | Kevin` | you still haven't said what doesn't work |
| 11:02.51 | yigal | _Ahti: ok great we know what you don't want, but what do you want, just think about it and come back |
| 11:03.07 | _Ahti | I can't compile drivers for my wireless card since mac80211 isn't enabled in the kernel |
| 11:03.23 | _Ahti | sigh |
| 11:03.26 | _Ahti | nvm -.- |
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| 11:03.34 | Kevin` | debian has packages for ipw* |
| 11:03.37 | Kevin` | or which one |
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| 11:04.00 | _Ahti | I need drivers for rt61 based card ;) |
| 11:04.10 | TrueDD | Salut tous |
| 11:04.20 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 11:05.06 | yigal | _Ahti: what are you getting at just use serial monkey ? |
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| 11:05.46 | _Ahti | Their forums? -.-''' |
| 11:06.10 | yigal | _Ahti: ? |
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| 11:08.05 | yigal | _Ahti: is this what we get for helping you |
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| 11:08.15 | _Ahti | Excuse me? 0.0 |
| 11:08.31 | _Ahti | Silence? Sorry, had something else to do real quick |
| 11:09.06 | Kevin` | oops |
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| 11:09.18 | Kevin` | :( |
| 11:09.35 | Kevin` | that.. hurt |
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| 11:09.48 | frojnd | Kevin` yes ? |
| 11:09.56 | Kevin` | what |
| 11:09.57 | Kevin` | ? |
| 11:10.02 | dallas | i'm trying to install prozgui but it says i'm missing a dependacey |
| 11:10.02 | frojnd | Kevin` how can I disconnect user from external web ? |
| 11:10.20 | Kevin` | frojnd just external or all network traffic |
| 11:10.21 | frojnd | with readhat |
| 11:10.27 | frojnd | Kevin`external |
| 11:10.32 | Kevin` | frojnd route del default |
| 11:10.51 | dallas | i cant find the missing dependency |
| 11:11.11 | frojnd | Kevin`and when user will try to reconnect he would have to do what ? |
| 11:11.14 | lordrich | !depends prozgui |
| 11:11.18 | dallas | it is called, libstdc++5 |
| 11:11.35 | Kevin` | frojnd that depends what interface he has or how much he knows about linux/unix |
| 11:11.50 | frojnd | kevin` it's windows user.. |
| 11:11.55 | yigal | dallas: i have that installed |
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| 11:12.11 | frojnd | Kevin` he doesn't have root access... |
| 11:12.16 | enouf | nice one Kevin` :-P |
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| 11:12.18 | Kevin` | frojnd well, assuming there's no obvious interface configuration UI he will find, rebooting |
| 11:12.18 | yigal | dallas: sounds like repos problem |
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| 11:12.28 | frojnd | Kevin` ok |
| 11:12.29 | dallas | how can i fix it? |
| 11:13.16 | Kevin` | enouf is this the biggest channel on freenode, by chance? |
| 11:13.17 | yigal | dallas: are you using etch lenny or sid? |
| 11:13.24 | Kevin` | I really should disable that command completely |
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| 11:13.33 | enouf | Kevin`: one of them |
| 11:13.36 | dallas | yigal: etch |
| 11:14.05 | yigal | dallas: do you need the stability of etch or are you willing to use the package from testing or unstable? |
| 11:14.13 | frojnd | Kevin` so command would be: route del Ip ? |
| 11:14.22 | Kevin` | frojnd no, route del default |
| 11:14.25 | Kevin` | as written |
| 11:14.28 | Kevin` | or route del 0.0.0.0 |
| 11:14.32 | Kevin` | default is easier to type |
| 11:14.43 | dallas | yigal: no need for stability, v |
| 11:14.52 | Kevin` | CTCP PING reply from CrazyEddy: 340.374 seconds |
| 11:14.53 | Kevin` | O_o |
| 11:15.00 | frojnd | Kevin`this will delete all ips.... |
| 11:15.01 | dallas | so i'll try the testing/unstable |
| 11:15.19 | Kevin` | frojnd it will stop any traffic that would go through the router, not local traffic |
| 11:15.34 | frojnd | kevin`I just wanna to do this for one user :) |
| 11:15.37 | frojnd | one local IP |
| 11:15.44 | Kevin` | this is on that computer.. |
| 11:16.01 | Kevin` | do you want to do this on the router or firewall or something? |
| 11:16.12 | frojnd | ah.. that's not good couse I am going to the net through that computer |
| 11:16.20 | yigal | dallas: dallas no it should be in stable |
| 11:16.39 | Kevin` | frojnd so, you want that computer itself to have local internet disabled, but traffic to still be routed through it? |
| 11:16.39 | frojnd | Kevin`i wanna do this for one local computer which connects through that computer which is also server router |
| 11:16.48 | yigal | dallas: http://packages.debian.org/stable/libs/libstdc++5 |
| 11:17.02 | Kevin` | frojnd I thought you were doing this on the computer itself. |
| 11:17.06 | Kevin` | Ok. |
| 11:17.19 | Kevin` | frojnd back to iptables |
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| 11:17.43 | Kevin` | frojnd however, if you block it by ip, it won't automatically be unblocked unless the computer gets a different ip |
| 11:17.43 | dallas | yigal: what do you mean? |
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| 11:18.06 | Kevin` | frojnd do you still have that iptables line from before? it's correct for this |
| 11:18.25 | frojnd | [12:35] <Kevin`> frojnd iptables -I FORWARD -i lan_interface -s ip_addr -j DROP |
| 11:18.31 | frojnd | and for specific I Pwould be ? |
| 11:18.39 | simon_ | dpkg: atheros is ask me about madwifi |
| 11:18.40 | dpkg | okay, simon_ |
| 11:18.43 | Kevin` | the ip address of the computer you want to block |
| 11:18.45 | yigal | this is a silly question but you 2 Kevin frojnd can probably easily answer it. I was using firestarter until i relized i don't like gui anything. i made a iptables script but is there an easy way of listening in on what is going on at any time, what ports are being attacked, etc. |
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| 11:19.18 | Kevin` | yigal ports bieng "attacked"? :) |
| 11:19.29 | Kevin` | what sort of attach |
| 11:19.31 | Kevin` | attack |
| 11:20.04 | frojnd | Kevin` after I do this: iptables -I FORWARD -i lan_interface -s ip_addr -j DROP How can I fix it back ? |
| 11:20.09 | Kevin` | if you don't know how to answer that, you shouldn't be watching, because you will just get paranoid |
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| 11:20.25 | Kevin` | although paranoid is good, it really isn't productive when you don't know what's going on |
| 11:20.29 | yigal | Kevin`: for instance, i have tcp closed on pretty much everything except 80, smtp, etc., etc. but there are some websites that wont work if i have the firewall completely working now and I want to see why they aren't working, what is being blocked |
| 11:21.02 | frojnd | Kevin` one last q. How can I fix this so user can connect again on the web ? |
| 11:21.05 | Kevin` | frojnd personally, i'd do this: iptables-save >file, nano file (remove the line from the file), iptables-restore <file. you can do it with iptables directly, but I find it annoying and that easier |
| 11:21.35 | Kevin` | yigal for stuff like that, use wireshark |
| 11:22.31 | yigal | Kevin`: i would really prefer a command line option |
| 11:22.47 | Kevin` | yigal tshark |
| 11:22.49 | Kevin` | =p |
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| 11:23.02 | Mtraker | hi |
| 11:23.15 | yigal | Kevin`: awesome :) |
| 11:23.52 | Kevin` | yigal all websites should work with a properly configured firewall, even if you don't allow any incoming traffic. or do you mean outgoing |
| 11:23.53 | Mtraker | what is better to install sid? |
| 11:24.06 | yigal | Kevin`: wow that is one heft program 36MB |
| 11:24.18 | yigal | Kevin`: just incoming |
| 11:24.31 | pocukrani | which packer ist for java runtime environment ? |
| 11:24.42 | Kevin` | yigal well, i'd ask you to paste the rules, but I should be going to sleep :) |
| 11:24.47 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 11:24.49 | pocukrani | packet* |
| 11:24.52 | Mazingaro | please help I got kernel panic after burning dvd (2.6.21 k3b debian lenny) |
| 11:25.07 | yigal | Kevin`: yes, that is a great idea, goodnight |
| 11:25.21 | solemnwarning | Mazingaro: It's called testing for a reason :) |
| 11:25.24 | frojnd | kevin`: iptables-save >file command not found (iptables-save) |
| 11:25.40 | Kevin` | solemnwarning kernel panic when burning a dvd is NOT normal behavior :) |
| 11:25.49 | yigal | frojnd: frojnd you want it to work on startup? |
| 11:25.49 | Kevin` | even for testing/sid/whatever |
| 11:25.49 | solemnwarning | Kevin`: Testing! :P |
| 11:25.55 | p0g0 | Mtraker: see www.sidux.com |
| 11:26.01 | Kevin` | you just shouldn't be able to do it |
| 11:26.08 | dallas | yigal: i am geting a different message know. |
| 11:26.11 | solemnwarning | You can if there's a kernel bug |
| 11:26.15 | Mtraker | ok p0g0 |
| 11:26.21 | solemnwarning | or bad hardware actually |
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| 11:26.28 | Kevin` | solemnwarning which should be fixed. either way. |
| 11:26.35 | Mazingaro | Kevin`: pc worked ok with fc7 |
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| 11:26.53 | Kevin` | Mazingaro I assume you have a copy of the kernel panic messages? |
| 11:26.53 | dallas | it says that dependance is not satisfiable: libfltk1.1c102 |
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| 11:27.31 | sciboy | I'm getting a Intel Quad Q6600 and I was wondering what kernel type I'm going for, this is my first venture outside AMD64. |
| 11:27.35 | Mazingaro | Kevin`: no because pc freezed, only caps lock was blinking |
| 11:28.00 | Kevin` | Mazingaro set up netconsole or similar method to relay kernel messages to another computer, and reproduce the problem. |
| 11:28.02 | DavidProck1981 | ok here is a pic of gnome running inside the ion3 window manager http://71.71.61.115/ion+gnome.jpg |
| 11:28.20 | frojnd | Kevin': no, just this time |
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| 11:28.39 | Mazingaro | Kevin`: netconsole? |
| 11:28.45 | Kevin` | Mazingaro yes, netconsole |
| 11:29.08 | Mazingaro | Kevin`: what do you mean? |
| 11:29.15 | MangosDebian | bah, stupid java. Anyone here good with it? |
| 11:29.17 | Kevin` | set.. up.. netconsole |
| 11:29.22 | DavidProck1981 | what do u all think about that |
| 11:29.32 | Kevin` | start a program on another computer to recieve the messages from netconsole |
| 11:29.36 | Kevin` | then make your computer crash |
| 11:29.38 | Mazingaro | Kevin`: ssh? |
| 11:29.54 | Kevin` | the module is actually called netconsole |
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| 11:32.06 | itchi | DavidProck1981: It doesn't work :-p |
| 11:32.28 | DavidProck1981 | do u know of a place i can upload it |
| 11:32.31 | Kevin` | Mazingaro if you have the kernel source on you, read Documentation/netconsole.txt for instructions |
| 11:32.43 | DavidProck1981 | i just realize my http is broke |
| 11:33.02 | Kevin` | Mazingaro Documentation/networking/netconsole.txt, sorry |
| 11:33.12 | Mazingaro | thanks |
| 11:33.57 | itchi | DavidProck1981: http://imghack.us/ But there seem a problem with it |
| 11:34.17 | DavidProck1981 | lol |
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| 11:36.23 | DavidProck1981 | http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/b/2018594453982192033 |
| 11:37.29 | DavidProck1981 | does this one work http://aycu15.webshots.com/image/24614/2003349085999055977_rs.jpg |
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| 11:38.47 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Yes |
| 11:38.54 | itchi | DavidProck1981: But it's not beautifull :-p |
| 11:39.28 | DavidProck1981 | ion isnt, its simplistic, but i got gnome to run inside |
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| 11:40.13 | itchi | I like much more Fluxbox, simply, light and much more beautifull :-) |
| 11:40.47 | DavidProck1981 | so imagine it being Fluxbox with gnome running inside |
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| 11:41.20 | itchi | DavidProck1981: http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/imgs/screenshots/fluxbox_conky3.jpg |
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| 11:41.50 | DavidProck1982 | who just posed before i got droped |
| 11:42.14 | DavidProck1982 | had messenger problem |
| 11:42.19 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Is that your brother ^ ? :-) |
| 11:42.27 | DavidProck1982 | is what |
| 11:42.33 | DavidProck1982 | my window closed |
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| 11:42.43 | itchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.50 | DavidProck1982 | its me |
| 11:42.56 | DavidProck1982 | damn it |
| 11:42.59 | itchi | I thought so :-p |
| 11:45.32 | DavidProck1982 | brb tring to fix my messenger |
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| 11:46.24 | DavidProck1981 | wtf |
| 11:46.28 | DavidProck1981 | huh |
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| 11:49.53 | Mazingaro | Kevin`: I wrote a cdrw and kernel panic did not happen |
| 11:50.17 | Kevin` | Mazingaro well, keep it logging until you find what the problem is, if you can |
| 11:50.26 | Kevin` | Mazingaro you might want to check your memory and hard drive |
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| 11:50.37 | Kevin` | Mazingaro memtest86+, smartctl, badblocks |
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| 11:50.57 | Mazingaro | Kevin`: hd and memory are ok |
| 11:51.08 | Kevin` | you've tested them? :) |
| 11:51.15 | Mazingaro | Kevin`: yes |
| 11:51.18 | Kevin` | ok |
| 11:51.23 | Kevin` | well, log for a few days then |
| 11:51.47 | Mazingaro | Kevin`: problems came with 2.6.21 kernel |
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| 11:52.34 | itchi | Mazingaro: ide or whatever cable? |
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| 11:52.39 | Kevin` | Mazingaro before submitting a bug to lkml you should probably make sure it happens on the most recent kernel version |
| 11:52.54 | Kevin` | Mazingaro unless your using some odd debian-kernel |
| 11:52.57 | itchi | I missed some info, i should tell |
| 11:52.59 | Mazingaro | Kevin`: one kernel panic before starting to sample a data cd (written with windows) and one after succesfully written a data dvd |
| 11:53.32 | Mazingaro | Kevin`: one took from lenny (2.6.21-2-k7 #1) |
| 11:53.45 | tlb | Hey, I resently rented a debian 4.0 based VPS but the LC_ values has not been setup, what's the "right" place to put them? |
| 11:53.51 | Kevin` | bugs to debian, then |
| 11:54.29 | Mazingaro | Kevin`: I had to copy the cd with dd (to create an image) then using k3b to burn the iso image |
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| 11:55.10 | Kevin` | Mazingaro it sounds like your drive is misbehaving |
| 11:55.14 | Kevin` | but. |
| 11:55.17 | Kevin` | get a log of the error |
| 11:55.41 | Mazingaro | I think it was my lg dvd reader |
| 11:56.30 | Mazingaro | but why kp even at the end of burning process (no copy on the fly) |
| 11:56.31 | Mazingaro | ? |
| 11:57.03 | Kevin` | it shouldn't be panicking during ANY part of the process, of course.. |
| 11:57.07 | Kevin` | something odd is wrong |
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| 11:59.05 | Mazingaro | Kevin`: if is a hw related problem should kp in any part of process |
| 11:59.21 | Mazingaro | especially a cabling or psu problem |
| 11:59.36 | Kevin` | if it's a hardware problem I suspect it's related to dma |
| 12:00.01 | Kevin` | unfortunately, without dma modern drives/systems are far too slow for most purposes |
| 12:00.10 | Kevin` | testing wouldn't be fair |
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| 12:01.33 | Kevin` | psu problem would panic any time, cabling problem would panic only when something extremely broken happened, like the drive writing data to the wrong place on the computer |
| 12:01.45 | Mazingaro | Kevin`: I think it's a kernel related problem |
| 12:01.50 | Kevin` | so.. |
| 12:01.51 | Kevin` | loh |
| 12:01.53 | Kevin` | log* |
| 12:02.23 | Mazingaro | when kp occurs I can only turnoff or reset |
| 12:02.35 | Kevin` | which is consistant with kernel panics |
| 12:02.49 | Kevin` | and intentional, of course |
| 12:02.55 | Mazingaro | Kevin`: a broken module? |
| 12:03.03 | Kevin` | dunno, LOG IT AND FIND OUT :) |
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| 12:03.58 | giz_bmz | hio all |
| 12:04.00 | giz_bmz | hi |
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| 12:06.24 | Mazingaro | Kevin`: done! writing a data dvd with success, so it only happen after a dvd copy |
| 12:07.11 | Mazingaro | Kevin`: or k3b mismatched configuration? |
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| 12:09.01 | Kevin` | Mazingaro k3b itself shouldn't be able to cause this |
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| 12:10.22 | Mazingaro | Kevin`: just tying out the copy now |
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| 12:11.22 | Mazingaro | Kevin`: could a read error throw a kp? |
| 12:11.57 | Kevin` | Mazingaro it shouldn't. |
| 12:12.47 | Mazingaro | Kevin`: now the copy is started, last time same source cd (windows buruned) kp before power calibration |
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| 12:17.11 | jae | Am I just blind or has there really been no announcement about the Debian Maintainer GR? |
| 12:18.57 | Mazingaro | Kevin`: succesfully copied! :( |
| 12:19.08 | Mazingaro | Kevin`: I mean :) |
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| 12:40.30 | stickto | ~sudo |
| 12:40.35 | apt | i guess sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html, or good for ordering sandwiches, or not pseudo |
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| 12:41.25 | stickto | ok |
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| 12:49.18 | stoned | good morning |
| 12:50.01 | stoned | I smiled as soon as I woke up today |
| 12:50.01 | stoned | I let e2fsck run last night, today my drive is clean of errors |
| 12:50.01 | stoned | yippy |
| 12:50.01 | stoned | now I am going to buy another 500gb disk, make my backup, and not worry |
| 12:50.17 | dvs | good! |
| 12:50.25 | stoned | hehe |
| 12:50.33 | stoned | man |
| 12:50.39 | stoned | I have to go to work in 40 minutes |
| 12:50.51 | stoned | I'm kinda sleepy, hopefully the boss won't be there cuz it is sunday |
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| 12:50.52 | dvs | to sell lingere? ;-) |
| 12:50.55 | stoned | no man |
| 12:51.02 | dvs | shoes? |
| 12:51.05 | stoned | for example yesterday |
| 12:51.22 | stoned | I fixed a simple outlook express mail could not be deleted problem and charged 200$ |
| 12:51.35 | stoned | regular job, I manager a pc sales/tech/repair store |
| 12:51.41 | stoned | I boss people around, its fun |
| 12:51.44 | dvs | heh |
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| 12:52.36 | stoned | basically the problem was that I had been playing the new oblivion expansion |
| 12:52.51 | stoned | so I was using XP, and all my media was on the ext3 500gb disk |
| 12:53.04 | stoned | so I mounted it in windows with ext2ifs driver |
| 12:53.12 | stoned | I had a few crashes, you know windows right |
| 12:53.31 | stoned | so then, I try to write to ext3 under windows and it says, can't write, file or disk corrupted! |
| 12:53.56 | stoned | so I booted a 64bit ubuntu, (the only cd I had) and ran fsck, took all night a good few passes, but I fixed it |
| 12:54.11 | dvs | !beer stoned |
| 12:55.28 | stoned | so man dvs |
| 12:55.31 | stoned | what have you been upto |
| 12:56.11 | dvs | stoned: I spent last night at this city "block party" last night and it was a pain in the ass |
| 12:56.23 | stoned | heh |
| 12:56.26 | stoned | block party eh |
| 12:56.38 | stoned | Chemical Brother - Block Rockin' Beats |
| 12:56.39 | dvs | stoned: well, that's the best way to describe it. |
| 12:57.07 | stoned | I think I need to see a dentist |
| 12:57.13 | stoned | need to detail my mouth |
| 12:57.25 | dvs | with gold caps? ;-) |
| 12:57.30 | stoned | I mean everytime I try to clean the back of my toung with a toothbrush |
| 12:57.33 | stoned | it makes me wanna throw up |
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| 12:57.43 | stoned | how the hell do dentists do it without having you throw up |
| 12:57.47 | stoned | gag reflex etc. |
| 12:58.23 | dvs | why are you trying to clean the back of your tongue? I don't |
| 12:58.40 | stoned | cuz it gets dirty after a while |
| 12:58.49 | stoned | residue builds up and gives you bad breath |
| 12:59.02 | dvs | that's what mouthwash is for |
| 12:59.07 | stoned | its like a offwhite creamy gunk that is all over your toung |
| 12:59.10 | stoned | dude... |
| 12:59.12 | stoned | mouthwash? |
| 12:59.17 | stoned | all the way back there |
| 12:59.19 | stoned | makes me wanna puke |
| 12:59.32 | stoned | I rinse my mouth with it, I don't try to drink it ;) |
| 12:59.43 | dvs | heh |
| 12:59.48 | Ronin | stoned: get that tootbrush out and start scrubbing :) |
| 12:59.57 | stoned | I like the blue mind kind |
| 12:59.59 | stoned | mint |
| 13:00.07 | stoned | and the orange citrus |
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| 13:03.32 | Ronin | which reminds me i need to scrub that to get last nights bar taste out of my mouth :) |
| 13:03.50 | stoned | man I don't trust mouthwash |
| 13:03.59 | stoned | I still brush my toungue for a good 1-2 minutes |
| 13:04.03 | stoned | as far back as I can |
| 13:04.05 | jetscreamer | listerine |
| 13:04.08 | stoned | then I rinse with mouthwash |
| 13:04.10 | stoned | listerine |
| 13:04.10 | dvs | no wonder why you gag! |
| 13:04.11 | stoned | yes |
| 13:04.17 | jetscreamer | as you should |
| 13:04.28 | stoned | no but I'm saying |
| 13:04.33 | stoned | how to clean way far back |
| 13:04.40 | jetscreamer | i like plax also |
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| 13:05.07 | stoned | ow |
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| 13:05.21 | stoned | wow*. fixing my ext3 disk has now somehow made windows unbootable |
| 13:05.45 | stoned | somehow the c:\ was changed from a primary(1) to a logical (5) |
| 13:05.46 | dvs | and the problem is....? ;-) |
| 13:06.02 | jetscreamer | i get superblock last write time in the future every time i fsck an ext3 fs, even if i just fsck'd it |
| 13:06.03 | stoned | fuck dude |
| 13:06.08 | jetscreamer | i call that a bug |
| 13:06.13 | stoned | I should just buy an xbox 360 |
| 13:06.41 | stoned | and use nothing but linux and call it a day |
| 13:06.57 | jetscreamer | only reason i put ext3 on my laptop is because i don't know of any jfs windows reader things |
| 13:06.59 | stoned | then buy a converter so I can hook up my xbox to a kvm |
| 13:07.08 | stoned | ext is good |
| 13:07.17 | jetscreamer | can't tell |
| 13:07.17 | stoned | mount time is fast, fs is kinda slow |
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| 13:07.25 | stoned | and its stable |
| 13:07.31 | stoned | plus it has journaling |
| 13:07.43 | stoned | drawback, no undelete |
| 13:07.46 | jetscreamer | then why the superblock write time in future every time |
| 13:07.46 | stoned | slow |
| 13:07.54 | stoned | I don't kow |
| 13:08.03 | jetscreamer | me neither |
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| 13:08.22 | jetscreamer | it's across all installs for like a year or more afaict |
| 13:08.32 | stoned | not here |
| 13:08.39 | jetscreamer | i will give ext4 a shot though |
| 13:08.47 | stoned | I have not used it yet |
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| 13:09.02 | stoned | maybe I should stop stoning |
| 13:09.06 | stoned | I don't really care |
| 13:09.14 | dvs | I don't like using two partitions to hold one set of data |
| 13:09.19 | stoned | what else am I gonna do at work |
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| 13:09.27 | stoned | I'd rather just stone at home and then go to work |
| 13:09.37 | jetscreamer | read manpages |
| 13:09.38 | stoned | 6 days a week man |
| 13:09.44 | stoned | but its ok |
| 13:09.57 | jetscreamer | i just worked 6 days and today i get to work on my cars |
| 13:09.59 | stoned | I am paying my dues |
| 13:10.10 | stoned | no I worked yesterday too |
| 13:10.15 | stoned | I had an onsite appointment |
| 13:10.18 | stoned | 3 hours |
| 13:10.28 | stoned | damn, thats like almost 7 days |
| 13:10.54 | jetscreamer | !pity stoned |
| 13:10.54 | dpkg | I pity da fool stoned! |
| 13:10.55 | stoned | hehe |
| 13:10.58 | jetscreamer | dang |
| 13:11.07 | jetscreamer | aha! |
| 13:11.11 | stoned | I pity the fool too |
| 13:11.24 | stoned | but I also may suggest how he may better himself |
| 13:11.41 | stoned | - cleveland - |
| 13:11.47 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:11.48 | stoned | * |
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| 13:12.49 | jetscreamer | heh i was on heinlein |
| 13:12.51 | Rizz0-X | morning, does anyone have a repository i can go to to get PyQT? |
| 13:13.32 | jetscreamer | uh oh i still am |
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| 13:13.57 | stoned | ~you know |
| 13:14.01 | jetscreamer | so are you going to be late again ? |
| 13:14.01 | stoned | I don't want to go to work today |
| 13:14.09 | stoned | but I have to |
| 13:14.12 | jetscreamer | so? |
| 13:14.17 | stoned | I'm not late on purpose man |
| 13:14.18 | stoned | wtf |
| 13:14.21 | jetscreamer | find another if it's so rough |
| 13:14.25 | stoned | I was only late twice |
| 13:14.42 | jetscreamer | since the 'talk'? |
| 13:14.48 | stoned | sicne always |
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| 13:15.36 | jetscreamer | so you were late once and your employer thought it necessary to have a chat... |
| 13:15.49 | stoned | I was late twice, and he had a chat |
| 13:15.52 | stoned | thats it |
| 13:16.10 | stoned | and there was a tornado in nj or something I think |
| 13:16.16 | stoned | so traffic was crazy |
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| 13:16.19 | jetscreamer | something tells me third time might be the charm with this guy then |
| 13:16.29 | stoned | nah |
| 13:16.30 | stoned | he needs me |
| 13:16.33 | stoned | I do a good job |
| 13:16.42 | stoned | and I bring his company a good name |
| 13:17.01 | stoned | everyone else who works there has a foriegn accent |
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| 13:17.19 | stoned | so I deal with the custoemrs, plus I'm good at dealing with people |
| 13:17.33 | hikenboot | yoda, I dont know about anyone else but I am only on x86 and x86 _64...sorry |
| 13:17.40 | stoned | yoda? |
| 13:17.42 | stoned | hahaha |
| 13:19.02 | ice63 | quit |
| 13:19.12 | jetscreamer | no |
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| 13:20.20 | jetscreamer | irc is beginning to bore me :/ |
| 13:21.08 | tralala | are there problems with s.d.o today? |
| 13:21.32 | jetscreamer | what is s |
| 13:21.39 | tralala | security |
| 13:21.44 | jetscreamer | !sdo |
| 13:21.48 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 13:30.27 | stoned | alright man Im out |
| 13:30.35 | stoned | off to work, starved |
| 13:30.38 | dvs | bye |
| 13:30.56 | dvs | don't be late |
| 13:30.59 | dvs | ;-) |
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| 13:34.13 | Henry-Nicolas | Hello everybody, I know this is an old news, but does anybody have more informations about amd and their promise of release free drivers ? |
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| 13:34.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello. I've got a laptop with an extremely annoyingly sensitive touchpad. ksynaptics and such don't seem to have an effect, neither when I try to adjust down the sensitivity, or when I try to shut the pad down alltogether. Can anyone help me out? |
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| 13:36.42 | no_mind | how do i set debian to pull one specific package from unstable tree |
| 13:36.54 | no_mind | i want to install pyqt version from unstable tree |
| 13:37.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | Go to packages.debian.org and manually download it |
| 13:37.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | At least, that's what I usually do |
| 13:38.01 | no_mind | Dark_Apostrophe, what about dependencies ? |
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| 13:38.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hmm... Not sure. Download them too, I guess. Not sure how else to do it. |
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| 13:38.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | Then again, I'm not exactly an APT expert. |
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| 13:38.54 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: xset -m? i dunno if it works for touchpads |
| 13:39.06 | reed[] | Hello. How do I rer-run package configuration (for an installed packagee) so that it re-merges the config files (do you know what I mean?) |
| 13:39.14 | jelly-home | no_mind: if you're running testing, it might turn out ok. If you're running stable, chances are you'll need a lot more dependencies |
| 13:39.24 | asg | no_mind: you could check backports.org to see if they have a backport (or attempt to build one yourself ; /msg simple sid backport) Installing a sid package will often want to upgrade your libc which is not what you want. |
| 13:40.02 | reed[] | i.e. the config file was upgraded and asked about re-merging my changes. I sayd No but I have now changed my mind :) |
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| 13:40.32 | no_mind | ok |
| 13:41.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable: I'll give it a spin |
| 13:41.16 | asg | reed[]: generally, there should be two copies of the config now: the original and the new one. You should be able to diff them for changes and merge manually. |
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| 13:41.39 | no_mind | well dont need libc6 upgrade, pyqt's required libc6 version is already installed |
| 13:41.50 | reed[] | you mean foo.dpkg-dist? |
| 13:42.45 | reed[] | does that config file merge thing come from the postinst script? |
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| 13:43.33 | asg | reed[]: part of dpkg iirc. You can check /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkg>.postinst if you want to see if it's called from there though. |
| 13:43.50 | snowbird | my sound is fixed |
| 13:43.55 | reed[] | i.e. is there a command to just force a redo of everything that happened after the pkg was unpacked? |
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| 13:44.52 | reed[] | or force apt-get to redownload and reunpack and everything else? |
| 13:45.14 | asg | reed[]: /msg dpkg confmiss (maybe) |
| 13:45.18 | jelly-home | reed[]: there's dpkg-reconfigure, but it might not do what you expect it to |
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| 13:45.48 | dragonheart | if you think bug 437361 is a ssecurity bug feel free to mark it so |
| 13:46.08 | reed[] | i tried dpkg-reconfigure, but since the packages were configured, it doesn't do anything. or at least it's not doing the same things. |
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| 13:46.39 | Turquoiser | no_mind: i'm not sure about this, but adding line APT::Default-Release "stable"; to /etc/apt/apt.conf and then just apt-get install -t unstable pyqt should do that... or at least it worked for me with sarge and unstable rails |
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| 13:47.40 | chuckkh | hi |
| 13:47.41 | chuckkh | http://www.debian.org/mirror/webmirror#list |
| 13:47.46 | chuckkh | why isn't the USA on here? |
| 13:47.56 | chuckkh | I know there are mirrors here..... |
| 13:48.05 | chuckkh | can someone tell me where the list is? |
| 13:48.18 | chuckkh | I can't connect to the georgia tech mirror |
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| 13:48.22 | dvs | chuckkh: the US mirror doesn't have a country code |
| 13:48.36 | chuckkh | there could still be a link to it |
| 13:48.41 | dvs | I guess it wouldn't be a mirror, would it? ;-) |
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| 13:48.50 | chuckkh | or rather, I still need a link to it |
| 13:48.54 | asg | chuckkh: that list is the list of www pages mirrors, you want www.debian.org/mirrors |
| 13:48.58 | chuckkh | well there are plenty of mirrors |
| 13:49.00 | jelly-home | reed[]: if you're really desperate, you can run the script with same arguments as dpkg did: /var/lib/dpkg/info/foo.postinst configure "previous-package-version" |
| 13:49.06 | chuckkh | asg: ah, thank you~ |
| 13:49.13 | chuckkh | asg: I mean thank you! |
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| 13:54.50 | chuckkh | another question - apt-get is telling me a list of files that were automatically installed and are no longer needed; how do I select these for removal? |
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| 13:55.52 | rogue- | apt-get autoremove |
| 13:56.02 | chuckkh | rrrrreally |
| 13:56.05 | chuckkh | very cool feature |
| 13:56.11 | rogue- | YA RLY |
| 13:56.15 | chuckkh | lol |
| 13:56.18 | chuckkh | ORLY |
| 13:57.15 | jelly-home | ORLY sounds like an airport in France. |
| 13:57.31 | rogue- | NO WAI |
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| 14:00.37 | chuckkh | BAJESUS |
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| 14:01.46 | rogue- | do you like chezburgerz? |
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| 14:02.47 | trying__2 | i'm installing debian from floppies |
| 14:03.00 | trying__2 | but it can't detect my partitions |
| 14:03.06 | trying__2 | no /dev/hda i mean |
| 14:03.30 | trying__2 | some suggestion? |
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| 14:04.07 | chuckkh | trying__2: is it an internal hard drive? |
| 14:04.25 | trying__2 | yeah, a laptop withouth cdrom too |
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| 14:04.56 | trying__2 | hard drive is working because i can see the partition with other dos tools and i can change de mbr or format it |
| 14:04.59 | docmur | Hello all |
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| 14:05.10 | docmur | is march a vaild option in apt-build.conf |
| 14:05.43 | chuckkh | trying__2: what made you decide on floppies vs CDROM? |
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| 14:05.57 | trying__2 | no cdrom avaiable on my laptop |
| 14:06.04 | trying__2 | no usb boot either |
| 14:06.13 | chuckkh | oh |
| 14:06.50 | |chiz| | trying__2 is it a sata drive? |
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| 14:07.19 | trying__2 | mmm, some doubts there |
| 14:07.27 | trying__2 | how i can verify? |
| 14:07.38 | |chiz| | well do you have /dev/sda? |
| 14:07.56 | trying__2 | let me see, one minute |
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| 14:08.43 | trying__2 | it's not a sata |
| 14:09.04 | trying__2 | i used to have a hda |
| 14:09.10 | |chiz| | ok |
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| 14:10.29 | liable | some of the older kernels identified sata drives as hda and would change on kernel upgrade |
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| 14:11.41 | trying__2 | well i'm installing etch... i guess it would have a new kernel |
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| 14:14.40 | trying__2 | any other idea? |
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| 14:17.48 | trying__2 | well another aproach... any idea to install ubuntu with floppies and inet? |
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| 14:19.00 | blah1231 | hi any one got any experience with openwrt ? |
| 14:19.19 | liable | the folks in #openwrt probably do :) |
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| 14:20.03 | blah1231 | oh i missed that |
| 14:20.45 | blah1231 | ty |
| 14:20.47 | blah1231 | !ty |
| 14:20.47 | dpkg | somebody said ty was thank you, or cobb -- a baseball player, or the company that creates Beanie Babies(TM) |
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| 14:22.54 | jelly-home | s/thank you/I'd thank you but am too lazy to type in the required nine characters/ |
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| 14:23.27 | liable | heh, if he did i prolly would have replied with np anyway ;) |
| 14:23.53 | debiantonio | !moc |
| 14:23.53 | dpkg | well, moc is the QT meta object compiler |
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| 14:26.46 | dos000 | i have an etch system where apt-cache policy returns Candidate: 6:4.4.4-8+etch3 (from debian security) how can i force it to use Candidate: 6:4.4.4-8+etch4 ? |
| 14:26.48 | TrueDD | re |
| 14:27.28 | dos000 | not sure why it even wants etch3 instead of etch4 (php4) in the first place |
| 14:27.48 | eps | dos000, you can pin it in one of the confs but if it's a specific source you can force aptitude to use that source over others via -t othersource I believe |
| 14:27.56 | eps | dos000, other deps may be newer |
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| 14:28.47 | dos000 | eps, the source is the same .. they are coming from debian security |
| 14:29.23 | dos000 | eps, what i dont understand even is why it wants to still use etch3 |
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| 14:30.13 | khermans_ | i would like an automated method for fixing lintian's 'executable-not-elf-or-script' warning |
| 14:30.13 | eps | dos000, aptitude show package on both of them and see the required deps; there is usually a reason for it |
| 14:30.23 | khermans_ | is there one? |
| 14:30.29 | jelly-home | dos000: do you have a security.debian.org line in your sources.list? |
| 14:30.42 | dos000 | jelly-home, yes i do |
| 14:30.52 | khermans_ | i could hack some find kung-fu, but wtf, someone did this before for sure |
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| 14:31.02 | jelly-home | dos000: did an update recently? |
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| 14:31.22 | dos000 | jelly-home, yes .. multiple times ! |
| 14:31.42 | dos000 | jelly-home, this has been going on for 2-3 days now |
| 14:31.50 | khermans_ | lintina |
| 14:31.56 | khermans_ | !lintian |
| 14:31.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, lintian is the Debian package checker, and has pages at http://www.debian.org/lintian/ |
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| 14:32.14 | eps | I'm getting seg faults when dpkg is rebuilding the package list - I've killed the .bins in /etc/apt/ and blown away /var/*/apt/* data and done a clean |
| 14:32.14 | dos000 | i came her yesterday .. and no one could figure what was going on . |
| 14:32.22 | phogg | dos000: aptitude install foo/6:4.4.4-8+etch4 |
| 14:32.25 | eps | got the dpkg update from this last week :P |
| 14:32.29 | jelly-home | dos000: ah |
| 14:32.48 | jelly-home | dos000: no pinning I presume? |
| 14:32.51 | dos000 | phogg, foo is what in this case ? |
| 14:32.56 | phogg | dos000: the package name |
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| 14:34.06 | dos000 | phogg, he still wants to use etch3 ! |
| 14:34.19 | dos000 | jelly-home, no i have no pinning so far |
| 14:34.28 | phogg | dos000: sorry, = now / |
| 14:34.34 | phogg | s/now/not/ |
| 14:35.02 | jelly-home | dos000: can you pastebin apt-cache policy ...? |
| 14:35.03 | eps | why does the media source have etch3 and etch4 under the same branch? |
| 14:35.11 | eps | that;s just dumb |
| 14:35.21 | eps | or is one stable and the other testing? |
| 14:35.30 | dos000 | jelly-home, yes .. one sec |
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| 14:35.42 | dos000 | phogg, it still gives Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main php4 6:4.4.4-8+etch3 |
| 14:36.03 | eps | dos000, do you want etch4 from testing? |
| 14:36.25 | jelly-home | eps: no, testing's php4 is at 6:4.4.4-9+lenny1 |
| 14:36.26 | dos000 | i was told etch3 was supperceded by etch3 .. in stable |
| 14:36.38 | dos000 | eps, i mean etch4 |
| 14:36.43 | eps | jelly, ah I see |
| 14:36.55 | dos000 | eps, i have another system and policy returns etch4 |
| 14:36.58 | stoned | ahh boy im hungry |
| 14:36.59 | eps | I have no used stable for many years now so I'm behind on how it is done |
| 14:37.00 | stoned | I dunno why |
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| 14:37.37 | dos000 | jelly-home, http://pastebin.ca/654511 |
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| 14:38.56 | jelly-home | dos000: well, you don't have the ...etch4 version avaialbe at all. |
| 14:39.54 | dos000 | jelly-home, what do you mean ? etch4 is in the security repositories. the question is why i am being froced to fetch ethc3 which does not exist |
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| 14:40.31 | phogg | dos000: on my system it lists etch4 in security |
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| 14:41.03 | dos000 | phogg, yes .. that is the normal way. but for me it is stuck at etch3. cant understand why |
| 14:41.17 | jelly-home | dos000: it's not in the repositories you have available. check your proxy if you're using one. delete /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org* and redo the update |
| 14:41.40 | eps | the seg fault coming from apt-get/aptitude/synaptic is caused by the following; /usr/lib/dpkg/methods/apt/update: line 42: 3075 Segmentation fault $APTGET $OPTS "$APT_OPT0" "$APT_OPT1" update |
| 14:41.44 | eps | is any one familiar with it? |
| 14:42.05 | eps | can't find any known bugs |
| 14:42.25 | dos000 | phogg, 1) i have no proxy 2) i pointed fingers at the data center and they said we have no proxies 3) i removed those so many times ! |
| 14:42.26 | grumbel | I am searching for beta-testers for Pingus (lemmings-like game), anybody interested? /join #pingus |
| 14:42.44 | eps | grumbel, my sister loves that game :P |
| 14:42.45 | jelly-home | dos000: what does security.debian.org resolve to? |
| 14:43.24 | dos000 | jelly-home, 128.31.0.36 |
| 14:43.47 | dos000 | jelly-home, 128.31.0.36 212.211.132.32 212.211.132.250 |
| 14:44.14 | jelly-home | dos000: force it to any of the other two IPs in /etc/hosts and try updating again? |
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| 14:46.01 | giz_bmz | hi |
| 14:46.04 | garotosopa | Hi. I added a line into /etc/apt/sources.list to install a package and when I run apt-get update it says "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY" How should I proceed? |
| 14:46.23 | dos000 | jelly-home, still says etch3 |
| 14:46.37 | giz_bmz | how can i extand my resolution list in the gnome setting |
| 14:46.39 | giz_bmz | ? |
| 14:46.56 | unsolo | how do i apt-get install a new kernel ? |
| 14:47.05 | garotosopa | giz_bmz, I'm not sure but it probably reads from /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 14:47.06 | eps | garotosopa, if you go to the home page of that source there should be some keys they give you that will get rid of that |
| 14:47.08 | eps | else ignore it |
| 14:47.29 | eps | unsolo, apt-get install newkernel, restart when done |
| 14:48.07 | garotosopa | eps, thanks, there was a apt-key add command line there. |
| 14:48.10 | jelly-home | dos000: which architecture? |
| 14:48.20 | dos000 | jelly-home, i am on x86 |
| 14:48.28 | liable | awsome, snatch is on telly |
| 14:48.38 | eps | liable, not a bad movie |
| 14:48.50 | dos000 | jelly-home, is there a way i can definitely detect if the guys at the data center are using silent proxies ? |
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| 14:48.56 | liable | eps: one of my favourites |
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| 14:49.04 | jelly-home | dos000: wget -nd http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 14:49.05 | unsolo | eps: thanks |
| 14:49.14 | unsolo | and listing possible kernels ? |
| 14:49.16 | jelly-home | dos000: what's the timestamp on that file? |
| 14:49.34 | eps | unsolo, if you are using grub it will automagically list the new kernel for you at boot (if it is newer it will be default) |
| 14:49.48 | jelly-home | dos000: should be something like "11-Aug-2007 06:44" (I'm in UTC +0200) |
| 14:49.50 | eps | just a note you may have to recompile extra drivers like nvidia again under the new kernel |
| 14:50.12 | dos000 | jelly-home, it says 2007-08-11 10:44 |
| 14:50.29 | garotosopa | is there a way to prevent the kernel to get upgraded? |
| 14:50.33 | Daveman | Good morning everyone |
| 14:50.41 | jelly-home | dos000: and, do you see the correct php4 version in it? Search for "Package: php4" |
| 14:51.01 | eps | morning Daveman |
| 14:51.07 | Daveman | :) |
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| 14:51.20 | unsolo | eps: i was more thinking of listing ones i can install actualy |
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| 14:51.44 | reiser2 | Hi |
| 14:52.04 | reiser2 | i am using RS232 Serial Port |
| 14:52.07 | dos000 | jelly-home, yes its there ! |
| 14:52.10 | eps | oh sorry unsolo; grep is your friend; aptitude search linux|grep kernel |
| 14:52.19 | unsolo | thanks |
| 14:52.24 | jelly-home | dos000: you may have some sort of explicit proxy in your apt.conf |
| 14:52.26 | reiser2 | with a GPS i can make "cat /dev/lp0" and i see the output |
| 14:52.31 | dos000 | jelly-home, where is the actual packages i am using ? |
| 14:52.57 | reiser2 | i have another device, but when i use "cat /dev/lp0" tehre is no output |
| 14:53.00 | asg | garotosopa: /msg dpkg hold |
| 14:53.12 | reiser2 | but if i use windows and Hyperterminal, i can see output |
| 14:53.14 | giz_bmz | !paste |
| 14:53.14 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 14:53.15 | dos000 | jelly-home, thanks ... soooooooooooo much ! there is something in there ! |
| 14:53.20 | unsolo | linux-image-amd64 == linux-image-2.6-amd64 ? |
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| 14:53.47 | giz_bmz | http://paste.debian.net/34477 |
| 14:53.52 | reiser2 | how can i change Baud Rate, Stopt Bit and so |
| 14:53.53 | reiser2 | ? |
| 14:53.53 | giz_bmz | this is my xorg.conf |
| 14:53.54 | garotosopa | asg, thanks. do you think it could cause any further problems? |
| 14:53.57 | snowbird | ahh iam getting better at fix pc |
| 14:54.05 | giz_bmz | so how can i increase my resolution ?? |
| 14:54.14 | jelly-home | dos000: eh, you shot yourself in the foot :-) |
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| 14:54.29 | snowbird | contral pannel |
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| 14:54.36 | asg | garotosopa: it will only prevent that package getting upgraded automatically. That includes any security fixes, etc. |
| 14:54.43 | dos000 | jelly-home, its the guys from the dc who did this ! when they auto install etch |
| 14:54.48 | reiser2 | i read setserial documentation, but there is no option to change that |
| 14:54.58 | garotosopa | asg, ok. thanks again. |
| 14:55.06 | et | how would i get a list of all installed packages in a format that would enable me to feed them to aptitude on another machine? |
| 14:55.16 | dos000 | jelly-home, what do i do whith this file ? |
| 14:55.47 | jelly-home | dos000: probably just comment out the Proxy related lines and redo the update |
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| 14:57.14 | jelly-home | dos000: // is used for comments (or just remove them) |
| 14:57.16 | unsolo | is drbd the only disk clustering over net available ? |
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| 14:57.28 | unsolo | and is it still maintained ? |
| 14:58.26 | unsolo | and it seems that installing a new kernel blew up the system .. ouch |
| 14:58.32 | dos000 | jelly-home, i am your slave forever ! |
| 14:58.43 | snowbird | sound cards what is dif between 4.1 and newer |
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| 15:00.19 | Turquoiser | et: dpkg --get-selections "*" > myselections |
| 15:00.36 | et | Turquoiser: thank you |
| 15:00.48 | unsolo | so what do i do when apt-get install newkernel fails .. |
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| 15:01.00 | jelly-home | dos000: you're welcome |
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| 15:03.03 | unsolo | lol |
| 15:03.17 | s_user | using http://paste.debian.net/34477 |
| 15:03.20 | unsolo | darn thing blows up because of some mdadm incompatibility |
| 15:03.29 | s_user | how can i change the resolution to be higher ?? |
| 15:03.42 | asg | unsolo: you boot the previous kernel and fix the problem |
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| 15:07.10 | abchirk | I want to flash my bios on a Asus mainboard I downloaded update from Asuswebsite...the downloaded file is a .ROM file what I have to do with that? Burn ob a CD as a image? |
| 15:07.54 | blinx | you need a flash software |
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| 15:08.27 | hark | there's flashrom.. never tried it but |
| 15:08.44 | abchirk | Can you recommend some software for windows? |
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| 15:09.01 | jelly-home | abchirk: ##windows ? |
| 15:09.11 | abchirk | hm yes sorry... :P |
| 15:09.30 | hark | !info flashrom |
| 15:09.34 | dpkg | flashrom: (Universal flash programming utility), section electronics, is extra. Version: 0.0+r2739-1 (sid), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
| 15:10.00 | jelly-home | abchirk: doesn't the motherboard manufacturer provide the flashing utility as well? awdflash if the BIOS is Award's |
| 15:10.05 | abchirk | hm but flashrom only works on linux? My friend has only windows :S |
| 15:10.21 | abchirk | mhh jelly-home I will take a look onto the website thx. |
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| 15:10.52 | stoned | abchirk: you need to get the asus bios flash utility |
| 15:10.57 | stoned | and perhaps a flopy |
| 15:11.00 | stoned | maybe |
| 15:11.09 | abchirk | ok thx |
| 15:11.13 | h3sp4wn | I use grml for flashing bios's (but from the dos that it includes) as its on a usb I just put the files in (I have no floppy) |
| 15:11.26 | stoned | abchirk: look on your motherboard cd |
| 15:11.31 | stoned | my gigabyte mobo cd is a bootable one |
| 15:11.33 | abchirk | hehe he lost it ;) |
| 15:11.39 | jelly-home | unsolo: I've recently seen a commercial linux fs that has some redundancy capabilities: http://wiki.digitalbazaar.com/en/Starfish_Distributed_Filesystem |
| 15:12.04 | stoned | abchirk: you can download the flash rom from the site, same place you should find utilities>asus flash thing |
| 15:12.12 | abchirk | Yap I found it thx :) |
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| 15:13.05 | jae | Which bazaar package is the, well, canonical one? (canonical not as in "the company" ;) |
| 15:13.34 | stoned | http://support.asus.com/technicaldocuments/technicaldocuments.aspx?root=198&SLanguage=en-us |
| 15:13.38 | stoned | abchirk: ^^ |
| 15:13.47 | stoned | oh ok |
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| 15:15.28 | abchirk | hey thx stoned :) |
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| 15:21.09 | s_user | how can i share my desctop in two screens ?? |
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| 15:24.22 | unsolo | jelly-home: interesting.. |
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| 15:26.41 | cast | anyone manage to get apparmour running under debian? |
| 15:27.02 | cast | uh, i mean. can i get apparmour running under debian without going insane |
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| 15:31.39 | mavior | hello,i've just installed the mysql-server meta-package on a debian etch "stable" with aptitude, but i can't find it under the misc "installed" packages view(but the mysql server is effectively installed): the other packages i've installed are showed right....do you have any suggestions? tnx |
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| 15:32.35 | cast | dpkg -l|grep mysql will list *mysql* pkgs you've installed |
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| 15:33.04 | DustyBin | does anyone fancy logging into my box and installing the 2.6.21 kernel with the nvidia driver |
| 15:33.33 | cast | DustyBin: sure, i wouldn't mind another box |
| 15:33.40 | DustyBin | :-S |
| 15:33.46 | DustyBin | what does that mean? :-S |
| 15:34.02 | cast | it means i could run the torrent tracker on your box and not have the RIAA on my back :) |
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| 15:34.11 | DustyBin | eeek |
| 15:34.41 | cast | so why do you want .21 |
| 15:35.19 | DustyBin | i run mythtv on that box what uses a Hauppauge Nova-T 500 TV card, and there is a bug in the driver but it has been resolved in the 2.6.21 kernel |
| 15:35.26 | cast | ahh |
| 15:35.34 | cast | !bpo |
| 15:35.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
| 15:35.55 | mavior | cast: yes it shows up that effectively the packages for mysql server are installed, but i can't figure out why aptitude does not show mysql-server installed under the misc installed packages view....i mean i found aptitude functions and views really helpful,so...i wonder why |
| 15:36.18 | cast | mavior: use aptitudes search function to see if you can find it that way |
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| 15:36.31 | DustyBin | ive installed the backport 2.6.21 kernel no problem, im just having difficulty installing the nvidia driver, ive been trying to follow these instructions without success: http://grizach.sc18.info/nvpatch/ |
| 15:36.49 | cast | mavior: i believe it is /searchterm |
| 15:37.22 | cast | DustyBin: ahh yeah, forgot about that nvidia fun |
| 15:37.26 | mavior | cast: i've used it,but the view change in something like a "global packages view" --> installed and not installed, do you know some way to search only in the installed view under aptitude ? |
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| 15:37.59 | cast | mavior: i do not |
| 15:38.22 | yang | There is some problem doing upgrade on etch ...klogd seems to hang the upgrade |
| 15:38.33 | yang | sorry not etch but lenny |
| 15:38.46 | mavior | anyone here with mysql-server meta-package could control under the mi sc installed packages view in aptitude if is it showed up ? |
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| 15:42.01 | user01 | blah anyone tried to use sierra 595u modem in linux? |
| 15:42.23 | DustyBin | is that a 56k dial up modem? |
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| 15:42.39 | user01 | DustyBin: nope its a evdo modem |
| 15:42.44 | DustyBin | ok |
| 15:42.50 | cast | mavior: hmmm, does aptitude search ~imysql help? :) |
| 15:43.34 | user01 | DustyBin: im following the instructions on http://www.sierrawireless.com/faq/ShowFAQ.aspx?ID=602 but i keep getting no carrier |
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| 15:43.48 | s_user | how can i share my desctop in two screens ?? |
| 15:44.27 | DustyBin | vnc? |
| 15:44.39 | DustyBin | user01 I havent a clue.. |
| 15:45.01 | slapfaceware | i use one monitor on laptop, another lcd on desktop |
| 15:45.22 | s_user | no not vnc |
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| 15:45.30 | s_user | i have two screens |
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| 15:45.43 | s_user | i want to make one desktop with them |
| 15:45.52 | s_user | so i'll have a one big desktop |
| 15:46.06 | jelly-home | s_user: you have two physical display devices? |
| 15:46.16 | s_user | yes |
| 15:46.21 | kanzure | How do I prevent system freezeups while I am in KDE? Sometimes the programs (Opera, keditbookmarks, ...) freeze the screen and the computer becomes useless. Suggestions? |
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| 15:46.42 | cast | kanzure: does ctrl-alt-backspace still work? |
| 15:46.50 | DustyBin | kanzure: run memtest86 |
| 15:46.55 | kanzure | cast: I will try it next time, what does ctrl+alt+backspace do? |
| 15:46.57 | jelly-home | s_user: which graphic card(s)? Are you using free drivers? |
| 15:47.00 | kanzure | DustyBin: to check if my memory is valid? |
| 15:47.03 | DustyBin | aye |
| 15:47.05 | s_user | ati |
| 15:47.05 | cast | kanzure: kills x |
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| 15:47.32 | kanzure | cast: Alright, that's something good to try. Are there any other things I should do? Maybe some special configuration? "Don't let programs hijack me?" heh' |
| 15:47.59 | cast | kanzure: run sshd and when it freezes see if yo ucan login and kill the process thats the issue |
| 15:48.09 | mavior | cast: the point here is that aptitude does NOT show this package under its "installed packages" view, even if it is regularly installed! |
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| 15:48.13 | kanzure | cast: ah, but I don't have a machine nearby |
| 15:48.41 | kanzure | wouldn't it be a bug with the KDE interface if all user interaction is denied? |
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| 15:48.52 | GreenJelly | whaat is the kernel version of debian? |
| 15:48.59 | GreenJelly | latest version |
| 15:49.08 | cbr | 2.6.22 |
| 15:49.10 | GreenJelly | looking all over the documentation for it |
| 15:49.13 | GreenJelly | thanks |
| 15:49.26 | cast | kanzure: but does aptitude recognise it as installed.. |
| 15:49.38 | GreenJelly | I am partitioning the drivee manually... should I turn on ANY bootable flags?/ |
| 15:49.40 | jelly-home | kanzure: what do you mean, "freezes"? Holds the keyboard/mouse focus? Does the music player (if any) stop playing? Do you get disk activity? |
| 15:49.43 | cast | kanzure: if aptitude says its installed, then i'd be inclined to wonder if you just haven't missed it in the list |
| 15:50.02 | cast | GreenJelly: i don't think you need to |
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| 15:50.14 | kanzure | jelly-home: music stops playing too, yes, and I see no disk activity IIRC |
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| 15:50.27 | cast | GreenJelly: the latest stable version of linux for debian is 2.6.18 |
| 15:50.29 | jelly-home | GreenJelly: stable Debian uses 2.6.18 |
| 15:50.34 | kanzure | cast: what? You and I were not talking about aptitude |
| 15:50.37 | GreenJelly | thats what they said in linux |
| 15:50.45 | cast | uhuh, mavior i mean :\ |
| 15:52.00 | GreenJelly | ahh good 2.6.18 is more stable the 2.22 from what I have seen... though I had problems with suse's Samba on Linux... |
| 15:52.05 | cast | mavior: you can use that as the search term in the aptitude ncurses interface, btw... |
| 15:52.06 | jelly-home | kanzure: you may experience better interactivity with a _very_ new kernel with CFS patches, or try the (now unmaintained) ck patchset |
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| 15:52.33 | kanzure | On another note, where's gtk-config found? |
| 15:52.44 | debiantonio | !MOC |
| 15:52.44 | dpkg | well, moc is the QT meta object compiler |
| 15:52.49 | black12313 | why do you need that ? |
| 15:52.50 | debiantonio | :( |
| 15:53.10 | cast | GreenJelly: well linus's epic plan is that the distros create stable kernels, and he releases not quite stable kernels, iirc |
| 15:53.35 | jelly-home | s/not quite stable/@#$%^&/ |
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| 15:53.52 | GreenJelly | that epic plan has costed me 2 months of my life:( |
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| 15:54.18 | jelly-home | GreenJelly: well, use something otgher than linux then |
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| 15:54.35 | GreenJelly | nothing supports expandable arrays:( |
| 15:54.44 | jelly-home | solaris/zfs? |
| 15:54.51 | GreenJelly | openNAS seems AWSOME... but no expandable arrays:( |
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| 15:55.10 | GreenJelly | solaris supports expandable arrays? |
| 15:55.20 | GreenJelly | how is it with new hardware |
| 15:55.26 | cast | dare i ask whats an expandable array :| |
| 15:55.27 | GreenJelly | probably not very good:( |
| 15:55.33 | jelly-home | GreenJelly: google for zfs. it's da shit, supposedly. |
| 15:55.52 | GreenJelly | mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sde |
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| 15:56.07 | jelly-home | GreenJelly: or better, ask in #solaris about it |
| 15:56.10 | GreenJelly | mdadm /dev/md0 .... |
| 15:56.14 | cast | #opensolaris |
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| 15:56.25 | cast | i use ZFS, you can add to a pool online |
| 15:56.33 | jelly-home | oh, there's a separate channel, right |
| 15:56.34 | GreenJelly | it means you can add a drive to a RAID 5 array without loosing the data on it |
| 15:56.49 | jelly-home | GreenJelly: it's better than raid5! :-) |
| 15:57.09 | GreenJelly | it is raid 5. |
| 15:57.13 | pipeline | here's the thing |
| 15:57.18 | jelly-home | (I mean, zfs) |
| 15:57.18 | cast | and you can use raidz :) |
| 15:57.22 | pipeline | Solaris doesn't support all the wild block-device-level stuff that Linux does. |
| 15:57.28 | GreenJelly | it can be raid 1 or 3 or 55 |
| 15:57.33 | pipeline | So that kind of thing ends up implemented in the filesystem |
| 15:57.35 | mavior | cast: ok, aptitude shows the mysql-server meta-package under the "new packages" view....don't know why....thank you anyway |
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| 15:57.43 | pipeline | mdadm, in linux, today, will allow you to reshape RAID online |
| 15:57.57 | pipeline | go from RAID5 to RAID6 |
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| 15:58.14 | smg | hello. |
| 15:58.24 | jelly-home | pipeline: eh, I don't care about mixing up the levels as long as it works |
| 15:58.51 | unsolo | damnit |
| 15:58.59 | unsolo | i thought debian kernel swapping was safe |
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| 15:59.02 | unsolo | seems i was wrong |
| 15:59.08 | unsolo | system broke. |
| 15:59.17 | pipeline | jelly-home: But that's what GreenJelly was describing: dynamic ability to reshape arrays. |
| 15:59.22 | cast | unsolo: kernel swapping as in... |
| 15:59.30 | pipeline | ZFS is pretty great, don't get me wrong, but we already have that on linux :P |
| 15:59.33 | cast | unsolo: you swapped linux for kfreebsd and it broke? :) |
| 15:59.34 | jelly-home | pipeline: nope, he just wanted to add disks. |
| 15:59.39 | pipeline | (shared storage pools, we don't have. :( ) |
| 15:59.43 | cast | pipeline: we don't have the checksummage though |
| 15:59.47 | pipeline | jelly-home: ... You can reshape from RAID5 to RAID5 :P |
| 15:59.51 | pipeline | cast: checksummage? |
| 15:59.58 | jelly-home | pipeline: raid5 / 6 still have write penalties |
| 16:00.17 | GreenJelly | I have 6*500mb drives I want in Raid 5 (this is paart of my problem)... |
| 16:00.18 | cast | pipeline: checksumming of data read back off the filesystem, to make sure you get back what you wrote in the first place |
| 16:00.19 | pipeline | jelly-home: humbug. Welcome to the modern era. We have this great processor, the pentium II! |
| 16:00.25 | GreenJelly | tomorrow, I run out of space |
| 16:00.32 | pipeline | cast: That's built-in at the filesystem level, not at the block device level. |
| 16:00.35 | pipeline | cast: XFS does that. |
| 16:00.41 | pipeline | cast: Ext3 might, don't know. |
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| 16:00.46 | GreenJelly | uhh ohh... how do I back up 2.5 TB of data (sorry, I ment 7)... |
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| 16:00.49 | cast | pipeline: XFS does? did not know that |
| 16:00.49 | jelly-home | pipeline: and the reason I mentioned it is because the mentioned being stuffed with Linux' no stable kernel at all policy |
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| 16:00.56 | pipeline | cast: Yup. That's how I discovered problems with sx8 :( |
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| 16:01.24 | pipeline | jelly-home: Yeah, well, that's just fucking stupid. But fucking stupid is the design philosophy over at kernel.org. Go figure. |
| 16:01.29 | GreenJelly | so I add a drive to the RAID--5 aarray as a spare... then I convert that spare right into the array... meaning I can add a drive without loosing my data |
| 16:01.36 | jelly-home | pipeline: hence, solaris. |
| 16:01.46 | pipeline | jelly-home: For all of my Solaris partisanry, I use Linux on my home desktop. And I have fewer and fewer Solaris systems at work. Go figure. |
| 16:01.57 | jelly-home | pipeline: yeah well, me too :-) |
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| 16:02.17 | jelly-home | but someone has to play devil's advocate! |
| 16:02.22 | GreenJelly | no offense, but static device names suck |
| 16:02.28 | pipeline | GreenJelly: No, you need to use the "--grow" option. Don't add a spare. |
| 16:02.42 | GreenJelly | pipeline you first add a spare |
| 16:02.45 | GreenJelly | then you grow |
| 16:02.58 | GreenJelly | weird, I know |
| 16:03.04 | GreenJelly | but thats how you do it... |
| 16:03.12 | AbsintheSyringe | grrr where is that picture of a girl with a cat on her bubby, representing firefox |
| 16:03.17 | AbsintheSyringe | I cant google it :( |
| 16:03.19 | pipeline | GreenJelly: You add the spare in order to have someplace to store data while you grow to another device. |
| 16:03.24 | pipeline | GreenJelly: The spare plays no role in the finished array. |
| 16:03.28 | cast | 'It is not possible to add a disk to a RAID-Z or RAID-Z2 vdev. This feature appears very difficult to implement.' hmm, there be a bummer |
| 16:03.40 | GreenJelly | pipeline the spare becomes the extraa drive |
| 16:03.46 | pipeline | GreenJelly: 'fraid not. |
| 16:03.53 | jelly-home | cast: yeah, got to do it as raid-z2 from the start |
| 16:03.55 | pipeline | GreenJelly: It's just swap space so that you can fuck up safely. |
| 16:03.59 | GreenJelly | here... this is EXACTLY the steps I use... |
| 16:04.07 | GreenJelly | and have used successfully |
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| 16:04.58 | cast | GreenJelly: btw do you really use 500mb drives |
| 16:05.20 | GreenJelly | o reshape, add drives to your raid set in the future, you first add the new drive to the existing raid set. mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sdf1 Next use the --grow switch to reshape it to the new number of drives you want. The command below assumes you had 3 devices in the raid set before you added sdf1 and now after you added sdf1 to be available to the set, you want the raid-devices to be 4. ... |
| 16:05.21 | GreenJelly | ...Next time you add a device, it would be 5 ... mdadm --grow /dev/md0 --raid-devices=4 |
| 16:05.45 | jelly-home | cast: aren't we nitpicky |
| 16:06.11 | GreenJelly | sorry cast... I ment 500gb or what they call aa GB... 467 |
| 16:06.23 | unsolo | cast: no i upgraded the kernel and it blew. |
| 16:06.51 | GreenJelly | what kernel should I pick? |
| 16:07.03 | cast | ahh, ok. some people really do have arrays of 500mb drives is all.. |
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| 16:07.19 | GreenJelly | nah.. I have around 2tb |
| 16:07.29 | GreenJelly | and am waiting on a DOA drive to come back |
| 16:07.35 | jelly-home | GreenJelly: a single filesystem? |
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| 16:07.45 | GreenJelly | ?? |
| 16:07.53 | root_ | i downloaded lirc 0.8.2 from lirc.org, I ran configure and now Makefile is empty and I cannot make the source - does someone know why or what the reason could be? |
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| 16:08.07 | jelly-home | GreenJelly: is all of your 2TB used for a single fs? |
| 16:08.18 | GreenJelly | yess |
| 16:08.25 | GreenJelly | its all one raid array |
| 16:08.30 | wingot_ | Hey |
| 16:08.39 | wingot_ | ttf-opensymbol seems broken |
| 16:08.40 | cast | unsolo: from what to what? |
| 16:08.49 | wingot_ | I keep getting "failed to write to cache" in regards to it |
| 16:08.53 | GreenJelly | 2.6.18-4-686? |
| 16:08.55 | wingot_ | Every single time I use apt-get |
| 16:09.01 | wingot_ | Anyone seen the problem before? |
| 16:09.01 | unsolo | 2.6.8 to 2.6.28-4 |
| 16:09.07 | unsolo | err 2.6.18-4 |
| 16:09.08 | wingot_ | 28? |
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| 16:09.20 | jelly-home | unsolo: which debian release? |
| 16:09.25 | cast | GreenJelly: what cpu? use 2.6.18-4, but perhaps -k7 or whatever you run |
| 16:09.46 | GreenJelly | celeron D |
| 16:09.56 | GreenJelly | 64 bit |
| 16:10.10 | GreenJelly | on a 965 ICH8 Chipset |
| 16:10.14 | unsolo | jelly-home: 64 bit |
| 16:10.16 | unsolo | amd |
| 16:10.20 | unsolo | etch |
| 16:10.27 | unsolo | but old kernel came from sarge i think |
| 16:10.47 | unsolo | and sarge-amd64 was experimental |
| 16:10.53 | jelly-home | unsolo: how did it break exactly? |
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| 16:11.27 | jelly-home | unsolo: did you follow the upgrade procedure from etch release notes? |
| 16:11.37 | ehtom | I want to install a rsbac kernel. what's the best way to do this on debian? |
| 16:12.03 | GreenJelly | I think I screwed this up... it never asked me about the raid arraay... doh... should of set format to one of the drives |
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| 16:12.57 | GreenJelly | <-- doesnt want to manually build another raid array:( |
| 16:13.55 | GreenJelly | I dont know how... but I went from not knowing what mdadm is, to knowing its small behaviors on different systems with different devices |
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| 16:14.28 | unsolo | jelly-home: its back up now.. |
| 16:14.37 | unsolo | jelly-home: seems it wasnt the kernel.. |
| 16:14.44 | unsolo | only the broken raid1 |
| 16:14.52 | unsolo | had to get someone to take a look |
| 16:14.59 | unsolo | upgrading from remote is allways a risk |
| 16:15.38 | jelly-home | unless there's remote console access (and even that doesn't help sometimes) |
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| 16:16.26 | unsolo | yea.. |
| 16:16.31 | GreenJelly | raid is kinda foolish... if the software screws up the file or the array, then there is no surviving... and if the drive corrupts, yet doesnt repport a bad sector the repair has to make a 50/50 guess.... |
| 16:16.56 | unsolo | raid1 can be mounted as a /dev |
| 16:17.10 | unsolo | lets say you raid1 sda and sdb |
| 16:17.23 | unsolo | and sda fails you can mount sdb directly as well |
| 16:17.46 | unsolo | raid0 however is a lot more unsafe. |
| 16:18.02 | unsolo | and i would say foolish to use.. |
| 16:18.13 | jelly-home | GreenJelly: silent write errors are a good reason why raid5 is bad |
| 16:18.16 | unsolo | unless you need a insane cache speed storage.. |
| 16:18.35 | pipeline | raid0 is stupid under any circumstances |
| 16:18.38 | unsolo | jelly-home: im running hardware raid6 these days.. |
| 16:18.41 | pipeline | you will always be better served by just upgrading your storage. |
| 16:18.55 | pipeline | RAID0 isn't going to be half the win that a RAID card with a large cache gets you :) |
| 16:19.18 | GreenJelly | Jelly-home I totally agree... but Raid 6 doesnt help much if its a software couruption... I am storing video files, so if one of my video files gets corrupted, I can live |
| 16:19.47 | unsolo | GreenJelly: thats why im running hardware.. |
| 16:19.47 | jelly-home | GreenJelly: um, checksum 'em? |
| 16:19.48 | pipeline | GreenJelly: RAID will never save you from your own fuckups. |
| 16:20.19 | Xanthor[aw] | I've got this error after a apt-get update : http://phpfi.com/255868 |
| 16:20.23 | Xanthor[aw] | What can I do ? |
| 16:20.32 | GreenJelly | therefor it makes sence to use RAID5 because it A) provides a single place to put my data... B) I need a large number of drives, and C) an extra disk + SATA card + extra power does not make it feasable |
| 16:20.37 | unsolo | now the challange is to find a HA filesystem--. |
| 16:20.46 | GreenJelly | pipeline who says it has to be your mistake... |
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| 16:21.14 | jelly-home | unsolo: that doesn't cost 6 figures? |
| 16:21.24 | unsolo | jelly-home: its cheap |
| 16:21.33 | pipeline | GreenJelly: Use LVM now, or you will regret it later. |
| 16:21.39 | pipeline | unsolo: OCFS2 |
| 16:21.40 | GreenJelly | pipeline linux isnt 100% perfect, nor are the clients your using, or the hard drive controllers, or the motherboards, cpu, etc... |
| 16:22.04 | jelly-home | pipeline: ocfs2 is distributed? |
| 16:22.07 | unsolo | jelly-home: areca 1210 + 4 500GB drives isnt much.. |
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| 16:22.25 | jelly-home | unsolo: that's not HA, that's just a RAID. |
| 16:22.28 | pipeline | jelly-home: For some value of distributed, yes. You need three nodes, and you really need gigabit ethernet levels of latency and bandwidth. |
| 16:22.31 | unsolo | ahh yea |
| 16:22.32 | GreenJelly | 6*500 |
| 16:22.37 | GreenJelly | soon to be 7 |
| 16:22.47 | pipeline | jelly-home: But it's rock solid, well-tested, availble today, and performs well. |
| 16:22.53 | unsolo | hehe.. you will get the LBA64 problem there GreenJelly |
| 16:22.57 | pipeline | unsolo: Another fun option is parallel NFS. Unfortunately, not available on Linux yet :( |
| 16:23.04 | pipeline | unsolo: Definitely worth reading about. It's a beautiful system. |
| 16:23.06 | unsolo | pipeline: drbd |
| 16:23.10 | GreenJelly | aaasolo? |
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| 16:23.27 | pipeline | unsolo: drbd is pathetic. |
| 16:23.31 | unsolo | GreenJelly: you have to adress LBA64 when the volume exeeds 2TB |
| 16:23.42 | jelly-home | pipeline: nice, hopefully any on three nodes may fail? |
| 16:23.49 | unsolo | pipeline: hmm what other options are there. |
| 16:23.51 | pipeline | jelly-home: Yup. |
| 16:24.05 | GreenJelly | aasolo were does tthis problem exist, and how do you solve it |
| 16:24.09 | pipeline | unsolo: Buy a SAN or a mainframe, use your vendor's faculties. |
| 16:24.15 | dooglus | my mouse cursor has stopped responding to movements I make on the synaptic touchpad, although synclient -m shows that the movements are being seen at some level |
| 16:24.16 | pipeline | unsolo: Peecees are not the solution to all problems :P |
| 16:24.19 | mmlj4 | anyone know the secret of amavis with debian? there's no amavis.conf, what's up with the conf.d directory? |
| 16:24.23 | dooglus | any idea how I can 'unfreeze' the mouse cursor? |
| 16:24.25 | jelly-home | !tell Xanthor[aw] about dynamic mmap |
| 16:24.28 | GreenJelly | unsolo from what I read 2TB was easily extended with ext333 |
| 16:24.33 | GreenJelly | ext3 |
| 16:24.41 | pipeline | jelly-home: The catch is that when you get down to two nodes, you can run into a race condition |
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| 16:25.18 | jelly-home | GreenJelly: you have any idea how long can a fsck of that huge an ext3 can take? |
| 16:25.19 | pipeline | jelly-home: Here's the problem. Linux has no way to GUARANTEE that nothing writes to a block device. When an OCFS2 node "fences" itself (removes itself from the cluster) it kernel panics |
| 16:25.26 | pipeline | jelly-home: It's the only way to guarantee data integrity |
| 16:25.48 | GreenJelly | jelly-home YEP! about 6 hours |
| 16:25.52 | jelly-home | pipeline: that's nice |
| 16:25.52 | pipeline | jelly-home: When you get down to two nodes, and one of them loses network connectivity but not disk connectivity, both nodes will see two heartbeats but only be in contact with one node. And one or both nodes could fence themselves :( |
| 16:26.00 | pipeline | jelly-home: It's a race. :( |
| 16:26.13 | pipeline | jelly-home: with three nodes, a voting process works even when the network is down. |
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| 16:26.49 | jelly-home | pipeline: eh, who cares, let the frontend reboot itself. I don't run the stock market or a bank |
| 16:26.54 | renewbie | hi, I have apt-geted kernel-image-2.6-686 which installed kernel 2.6.18+6 but when I run `uname -a` I get "2.6.18-4-686" |
| 16:26.56 | renewbie | how is that? |
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| 16:26.59 | GreenJelly | unsolo what is this 2 TB problem... I really need to know more |
| 16:27.09 | pipeline | jelly-home: well that kinda makes it less than HA, doesn't it? :) |
| 16:27.18 | jelly-home | pipeline: hush :-) |
| 16:27.20 | renewbie | am I missing something? |
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| 16:27.59 | GreenJelly | renewbie yes |
| 16:28.05 | renewbie | ? |
| 16:28.06 | pipeline | GreenJelly: single block devices are limited to 2TB. |
| 16:28.14 | pipeline | GreenJelly: At least, that's the way it used to be. |
| 16:28.18 | renewbie | GreenJelly: whats that? |
| 16:28.19 | unsolo | GreenJelly: at least on my hardware controller i have to change adressing to LBA64 when exeeding 2TB.. |
| 16:28.38 | unsolo | which means i will have to reformat the volume as well |
| 16:28.48 | GreenJelly | aasolo I am not using a RAID controller |
| 16:28.57 | GreenJelly | unsolo purely software raid |
| 16:29.01 | jelly-home | there's an option for large block devices in the kernel since about 2.6.20 |
| 16:29.09 | unsolo | well i would imaging these some of the same problems there. |
| 16:29.17 | GreenJelly | 20 disk raid controller costs around 1K |
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| 16:29.34 | alex12345 | hi all. I cant go hibernate second time on my dell e1505 laptop running etch. if I boot usual way I can press Fn-F2 and It would work , but when I reboot again and the system is restored from hibernate image - Fn-F2 button doesnt work. does anybody know why? thanks. |
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| 16:29.57 | unsolo | http://www.webconnexxion.com/raid/product_info.php?cPath=60&products_id=414 |
| 16:30.03 | ehtom | any idea how to install RSBAC on debian? |
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| 16:30.19 | unsolo | anyways san isnt an option yet. |
| 16:30.24 | unsolo | so what choices do i have |
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| 16:30.44 | GreenJelly | unsolo thats the device |
| 16:30.46 | xingu | people who build raid5 shit me in general, but people who build raid5 without making sure that the array stripe width is sane shit me greatly. |
| 16:30.54 | GreenJelly | unsolo but they make a 20 |
| 16:31.02 | GreenJelly | unsolo I cant afford that |
| 16:31.04 | xingu | and adding a single spindle to an existing raid5 is a good way to get there |
| 16:31.28 | unsolo | GreenJelly: are you running 20 drives in raid ? |
| 16:31.28 | jelly-home | alex12345: tried running hibernate script as root? Maybe just the key combo doesn't work |
| 16:31.41 | unsolo | in a software raid ? |
| 16:31.53 | ehtom | anyone know about installing RSBAC on debian etch? |
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| 16:32.25 | alex12345 | jelly-home: but it works if I reboot usual way... do I need to add something to hibernate.conf |
| 16:32.37 | GreenJelly | unsolo not yet |
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| 16:32.41 | unsolo | pipeline: any good options for a fallback file system ? |
| 16:32.46 | jelly-home | alex12345: that's not what I asked |
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| 16:32.54 | pipeline | unsolo: .... OCFS2 ... |
| 16:32.59 | unsolo | ok |
| 16:33.09 | jelly-home | alex12345: it might be only the key-combo is broken after the resume |
| 16:33.09 | alex12345 | I didn't run any scripts manually. |
| 16:33.16 | GreenJelly | unsolo I will wait till the drives prices come down and as my need for space increases, hence my requirement for an expandable raid system |
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| 16:33.22 | pipeline | unsolo: parallel NFS is pretty sweet too |
| 16:33.33 | jelly-home | alex12345: I'm asking you to try it, instead |
| 16:33.38 | pipeline | unsolo: You have a whole lot of nodes that serve as block servers, with a small number of nodes that actually do locking / transactions / etc |
| 16:33.50 | pipeline | unsolo: All backed by your choice of HA shared storage. No local disk crap. |
| 16:33.56 | Xanthor[aw] | thx jelly-home, it works |
| 16:34.04 | GreenJelly | unsolo I WISH openBSD supported expandable raid arrays, cause openNAS is an amazing system. openfilter has not gotten the attention it needs |
| 16:34.18 | pipeline | GreenJelly: ccd(4) |
| 16:34.19 | alex12345 | jelly-home: where is this script? |
| 16:34.22 | unsolo | areca is hot expandable btw.. |
| 16:34.30 | pipeline | GreenJelly: OpenBSD is ten years behind the times and trailing. It's never going to modernize. Don't hold out hope :P |
| 16:34.34 | jelly-home | alex12345: er... in the "hibernate" package :-) |
| 16:34.56 | GreenJelly | pipeline wouldnt doubt it... but damn is it secure |
| 16:34.56 | unsolo | but parallel nfs isnt available for linux yet is it |
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| 16:35.15 | pipeline | GreenJelly: An undeserved reputation. |
| 16:35.25 | pipeline | GreenJelly: It's UNIX. UNIX is insecure by definition. Otherwise it would no longer be UNIX :) |
| 16:35.44 | jelly-home | (not nexenta) |
| 16:35.50 | pipeline | jelly-home: It's going to be a long wait. |
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| 16:36.05 | pipeline | unsolo: I don't believe so. |
| 16:36.23 | unsolo | pipeline: so ofcs2 is an option.. |
| 16:36.31 | pipeline | unsolo: |
| 16:36.31 | pipeline | unsolo: 12:32 < Xanthor[aw]> thx jelly-home, it works |
| 16:36.31 | pipeline | 12:32 < GreenJelly> unsolo I WISH openBSD supported expandable raid arrays, cause openNAS is an amazing system. openfilter has not gotten the attention it needs |
| 16:36.34 | GreenJelly | what is the IRC command for thoose emotes |
| 16:36.34 | pipeline | d'oh |
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| 16:36.41 | pipeline | unsolo: http://developer.osdl.org/dev/nfsv4/site/index.php |
| 16:36.52 | pipeline | unsolo: I doubt this includes pNFS, but I guess you have to start somewhere :) |
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| 16:38.10 | GreenJelly | wow, I did screw up the install |
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| 16:38.21 | aleksanteri | does anyone know a repository that has nvidia-kernel-100.14.11? |
| 16:38.24 | GreenJelly | hopefull a raid build will fix it |
| 16:38.25 | GreenJelly | hehe |
| 16:38.45 | aleksanteri | nvidia-glx needs it but it's not avaivable |
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| 16:39.30 | unsolo | crap darn server booted the wrong kernel.. guess i have to travel to it to fix it. |
| 16:39.32 | pipeline | aleksanteri: You have to build it yourself. |
| 16:39.39 | unsolo | pipeline: thanks for the input.. |
| 16:39.44 | aleksanteri | argh >_< |
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| 16:41.05 | unsolo | why do people use ocfs2 with drbd if drbd stinks.. any other ways to do it ? |
| 16:41.09 | xingu | ocfs2 doesn't really give me wood I have to say; roll on dynamic striping and variable block sizes at the fs layer |
| 16:41.26 | pipeline | unsolo: Because they're cheap shits |
| 16:41.35 | pipeline | unsolo: a decent SAN costs a lot more than a peecee crammed with disks |
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| 16:41.46 | pipeline | unsolo: You're looking at 40k just to dip your toe in the water. |
| 16:41.58 | pipeline | unsolo: a nice peecee costs all of 10k :P |
| 16:42.00 | unsolo | pipeline: i know.. |
| 16:42.12 | pipeline | unsolo: Yes, well, there's the cheap way to do it, and there's the good way to do it. They're mutually exclusive. :) |
| 16:42.19 | unsolo | haha |
| 16:42.30 | unsolo | well is the cheap way stable is what im interested in |
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| 16:42.38 | pipeline | unsolo: Yeah, well, OCFS2 + drbd is a shitty solution. |
| 16:42.44 | pipeline | unsolo: But it sure is inexpensive :) |
| 16:42.56 | GreenJelly | unsolo is the 2TB problem you have is with linux having a single drive that is larger then 2 TB, or is it with the Raid controller?? |
| 16:43.02 | xingu | pipeline: you're talking to the wrong people; www.infortrend.com for ex. |
| 16:43.17 | unsolo | GreenJelly: its with how you refer adresses |
| 16:43.35 | GreenJelly | should I choose a different FS? |
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| 16:43.43 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 16:43.52 | dazjorz | When I want to move a directory to another filesystem, sometimes this happens |
| 16:43.58 | dazjorz | I move, then break using ctrl+c to check somethin |
| 16:43.59 | dazjorz | g |
| 16:43.59 | unsolo | think it would affect the block device somehow.. |
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| 16:44.10 | dazjorz | then when I want to continue move, it gives this error |
| 16:44.17 | dazjorz | mv: inter-device move failed: `xxx' to `xxx'; unable to remove target: Is a directory |
| 16:44.31 | dazjorz | I don't want to remove it, I want to move everything that's not there yet |
| 16:44.41 | unsolo | GreenJelly: all i know is that some say i wuld have to reformat if i extend my Raid volume beyond 2TB.. |
| 16:44.55 | unsolo | that i do not want to do. |
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| 16:45.17 | dazjorz | so what do I do to make sure the data is indeed moved (if I remove the target directory, I lose data) |
| 16:45.21 | unsolo | so if you start by making your volume use lba64 it wouldnt matter basically. |
| 16:45.22 | pipeline | unsolo: ....LVM dude |
| 16:45.29 | xingu | but if you don't restripe and your filesystem is too useless to support dynamic striping then you will end up with wobbly access patterns |
| 16:45.34 | GreenJelly | unsolo I will have an answer for you within a week if you send me a email at big_green_jelly_bean<at>yahoo.com |
| 16:45.42 | xingu | average service time? wossat. |
| 16:46.04 | GreenJelly | unsolo that is if I get it to work:) |
| 16:46.04 | unsolo | pipeline: what for. |
| 16:46.14 | unsolo | i like having 2TB large single partition drives. |
| 16:46.19 | unsolo | @home |
| 16:46.20 | ravenbird | home are you? |
| 16:46.26 | pipeline | unsolo: it makes everything so much simpler |
| 16:46.47 | aleksanteri | ok i can't find the sources for nvidia-kernel-100.14.11 either >_< |
| 16:46.48 | xingu | (dropping and) restriping the lv underneath a filesystem that does not support dynamic striping is a feature, not a bug |
| 16:46.53 | jelly-home | I hate having to backup filesystems larger than, say 200-300GB |
| 16:47.11 | xingu | I can't for the life of me understand why people try so hard to end up with *crap* IO access patterns. |
| 16:47.22 | strikeOne | what does +6 mean in this kernel version 2.6.18+6? |
| 16:47.37 | unsolo | pipeline: i know but i dont need it at home. |
| 16:47.44 | strikeOne | and what does -4 means in this kernel version 2.6.18+6? |
| 16:47.50 | strikeOne | oops |
| 16:47.55 | unsolo | this drbd system is ofc not at home. |
| 16:48.02 | strikeOne | and what does -4 means in this kernel version 2.6.18-4-686 ? |
| 16:49.10 | pipeline | jelly-home: solution: no backups at home because I can't afford a tape drive of appropriate capabilities ;) |
| 16:49.17 | pipeline | jelly-home: it annoys me that tapes are so cheap and drives are so spendy :P |
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| 16:49.28 | jelly-home | hehe |
| 16:49.53 | jelly-home | tape media sure is cheap... the good drives are a different story |
| 16:50.06 | unsolo | jelly-home: thats an advantage with raid6 |
| 16:50.14 | unsolo | you can have multiple failures.. |
| 16:50.19 | pipeline | strikeOne: Debian's fourth take on the 2.6.18 kernel series. |
| 16:50.26 | unsolo | so you dont care that much for drive quality |
| 16:50.43 | jelly-home | raidz2 :-) |
| 16:50.52 | xingu | the advantage of raid6 is that you hit the garbage read throughput of a degraded raid5 with lower frequency |
| 16:51.09 | xingu | it won't help you if you botch your stride size maths though |
| 16:51.25 | xingu | and it's always going to suck latency-wise for writes |
| 16:51.41 | xingu | god help you if some tinker adds a spindle dynamically to it |
| 16:52.45 | unsolo | im using stock drives.. Timing buffered disk reads: 434 MB in 3.01 seconds = 144.04 MB/sec . Timing cached reads: 2488 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1244.08 MB/sec |
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| 16:53.33 | xingu | now fire up 2.5 the number of benchmark threads as you have spindles |
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| 16:53.40 | CAiRO | hi |
| 16:53.42 | xingu | and come back and talk to us about average service times |
| 16:53.51 | CAiRO | what can i do when aterm segfaults when i try to run it? |
| 16:53.57 | unsolo | xingu: well thats on my home server |
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| 16:54.17 | unsolo | and its by my terms more than fast enough.. |
| 16:54.29 | unsolo | but its not a insane speed. |
| 16:54.37 | cast | CAiRO: use urxvt? :) |
| 16:54.40 | xingu | latency latency latency |
| 16:54.43 | unsolo | thats what you have 1(0) for. |
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| 16:54.46 | xingu | a late IO may as well not exist |
| 16:55.09 | unsolo | and im talking of the cheap sollutions. |
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| 16:55.46 | xingu | the zfs guys have hit the bong hard and come back with an interesting design |
| 16:55.58 | xingu | cruel and unusual layering violation tricks, sure |
| 16:56.15 | xingu | but an interesting design and it works well for most mixes |
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| 16:56.49 | strikeOne | pipeline: thanks |
| 16:56.53 | gravity | wtf |
| 16:57.03 | liable | same ip |
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| 16:57.37 | liable | gravity: ^^ how about =B? |
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| 16:58.07 | liable | +b |
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| 16:58.44 | Firefishe | I have a somewhat older debian install, using kernel 2.6.8-2-386. I also have a Broadcom 4306 wlan pci card I need to get working. I've studied the bcm43xx project, but I'm a bit lost. Does anyone have a link to a good howto on how I can get this card working? |
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| 17:02.55 | bloom | if I have filesystem trouble, and files show up in /lost+found, are they guaranteed to be intact? |
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| 17:07.03 | cast | ha! i found the rotten smell. was coming from this mostly empty tea cup |
| 17:07.28 | Beeeej | hi, when i want to ssh to my PC i get this error : Permission denied (publickey,password). any clue? |
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| 17:08.56 | Beeeej | Beeeej: there is no one here dude, get lost |
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| 17:16.20 | yosef | Hi |
| 17:16.43 | yosef | I have question, how can I schedule a command to run after 2 hour? |
| 17:17.08 | lordrich | !at |
| 17:17.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, at is a Delayed job execution and batch processing program or an old IBM computer. austria |
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| 17:17.37 | yosef | dpkg: sechedule jobs |
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| 17:18.09 | cast | sleep 2h; cmd |
| 17:18.12 | yosef | dpkg: !schedule jobs |
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| 17:19.19 | jelly-home | yosef: that "at" factoid was meant for you |
| 17:19.59 | jelly-home | man at arms |
| 17:20.07 | cast | what was the issue with at a long time ago? |
| 17:22.01 | yosef | jelly-home: but dpkg did not say what I want |
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| 17:22.12 | jelly-home | yosef: man at |
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| 17:22.44 | yosef | jelly-home: ok |
| 17:23.22 | jelly-home | wtf... "at teatime" |
| 17:23.27 | reiser2 | how can i install agetty ? |
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| 17:24.51 | jelly-home | reiser2: what do you need it for? |
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| 17:25.19 | reiser2 | i need to chage Boudrate, Stop Bit, etc of RS232 /dev/ttyS0 |
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| 17:27.10 | reiser2 | jelly-home: any idea ? |
| 17:27.12 | jelly-home | reiser2: hm. baud rate can be changed even with the normal /bin/getty |
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| 17:27.37 | reiser2 | humm |
| 17:27.39 | reiser2 | let me try |
| 17:28.18 | jelly-home | reiser2: there should be a line in default inittab |
| 17:28.28 | jelly-home | #T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 19200 vt100 |
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| 17:29.32 | angasule | so... yeap, timezone can't be chosen in the debian installer properly, as far as I can see, I have tried in both netinstall and regular install |
| 17:30.02 | reiser2 | 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 |
| 17:30.03 | unsolo_ | hmm can you do backup with preserve over scp ? |
| 17:30.27 | reiser2 | can i change that value? |
| 17:30.42 | ricky | unsolo_: Look up rsync over SSH- that may be more suited for backups. |
| 17:30.43 | jelly-home | reiser2: don't. scroll down. |
| 17:31.00 | angasule | I think the problem is that 'choose language' is taken as 'choose country' when they are two very separate things... |
| 17:31.18 | unsolo_ | ricky: probably it is |
| 17:31.31 | jelly-home | reiser2: add a line like I pasted, only uncommented. |
| 17:31.39 | reiser2 | http://www.pastebin.ca/654668 |
| 17:31.40 | unsolo_ | and since this is within a closed network i guess i can just rsync directly right |
| 17:32.48 | jelly-home | reiser2: so uncomment your T0: ... line and edit the baud rate properly |
| 17:33.10 | reiser2 | ok |
| 17:33.19 | reiser2 | then? |
| 17:33.25 | jelly-home | reload inittab |
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| 17:33.58 | jelly-home | reiser2: "telinit q" |
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| 17:34.11 | Jeo7 | hi |
| 17:34.25 | reiser2 | is there any documentation about run linux from a computer wothout HD |
| 17:34.29 | reiser2 | like console |
| 17:35.04 | cast | what do you mean 'like console', what does thta have to do with no HD? |
| 17:35.04 | h3sp4wn | reiser2: loads - search for netboot / nfsroo |
| 17:35.39 | capiira | reiser2 use a live cd |
| 17:35.47 | reiser2 | no |
| 17:35.53 | capiira | usbstick |
| 17:35.53 | reiser2 | i mean no live cd |
| 17:36.06 | reiser2 | is to use a computer like a terminal |
| 17:36.38 | capiira | the only thing you can do is search if there is a way to boot from network |
| 17:36.54 | capiira | but then you need a network card with bootrom |
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| 17:37.40 | capiira | google for network boot linux or something like that |
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| 17:38.56 | reiser2 | jelly-home: telinit q reload the runlevels? |
| 17:39.21 | jelly-home | reiser2: it makes init reload inittab |
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| 17:39.54 | angasule | this is outright funky, it can't find packages grub nor lilo during the install |
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| 17:40.04 | reiser2 | jelly-home: but is there any message outpu after use telinit q ? |
| 17:40.09 | frojnd | hello there. Can someone gives me a list or a name for a linux game for two ? |
| 17:40.10 | jelly-home | reiser2: no |
| 17:40.41 | angasule | frojnd: you want multiplayer games? of what kind? |
| 17:40.45 | cast | frojnd: nethack! anything from the unreal tournament series will run, as will quake 3 and enemy territory |
| 17:40.55 | jelly-home | reiser2: but there should be a getty working on your serial port 1 now |
| 17:41.05 | reiser2 | man |
| 17:41.14 | lordrich | !games |
| 17:41.14 | reiser2 | i am using a device that send a string |
| 17:41.14 | dpkg | games is, like, Some cool multiplayer games: koth, netris, quake, xevil, bzflag or the only piece of software that is allowed to be non-free, because they are more like an art form than a program, or http://www.uniball-central.com, or #gametome for newer games. WikiWikiWeb:LinuxGames, or http://www.mtp-target.org, jumpnbump, supertux, gtetrinet and pathogen, or nethack, or freeciv, or dopewars, or http://icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php |
| 17:41.26 | angasule | cast: nethack is not multiplayer, unfortunately |
| 17:41.40 | pipeline | well, it sort of is |
| 17:41.42 | pipeline | you can find corpses |
| 17:41.46 | pipeline | and share a scoreboard |
| 17:41.56 | angasule | the bones levels don't make it multiplayer :P |
| 17:42.01 | cast | angasule: was that a requir..oh, right. it was |
| 17:42.13 | pipeline | telnet nethack.alt.org :P |
| 17:42.32 | angasule | I can't believe people quote bzflag as a linux game, it makes me ashamed :P |
| 17:42.34 | jelly-home | pipeline: just because it remembers some state, doesn't mean it's multiplayer |
| 17:42.48 | angasule | pipeline: yeah, been there, but frankly I perfer playing on my pc with all the colours and such |
| 17:43.15 | pipeline | angasule: eh? bzflag is a classic. And it runs on linux. And it sure beats the crap out of the original bz. |
| 17:43.35 | angasule | pipeline: no, *nethack* is a classic, everything else is crud :P |
| 17:43.48 | Jeo7 | Is there support for CORE2 QUAD cpu in stable kernel? |
| 17:43.56 | pipeline | bz kinda sucked because it was single-server |
| 17:44.04 | reiser2 | jelly-home: i just put a GPS that is configured to send text string using 9600 baud |
| 17:44.06 | pipeline | Jeo7: Surely. |
| 17:44.07 | reiser2 | is working |
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| 17:44.31 | reiser2 | but i have another device that send another string, but doesn`t work |
| 17:44.38 | reiser2 | but in windows it send ok |
| 17:44.55 | jelly-home | nethack is not a linux game anyway |
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| 17:45.06 | Jeo7 | pipeline: Any idea where to check if kernel can really make use of additional cores? Eg in multitasking |
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| 17:45.17 | angasule | I'm having some trouble installing, it says it can't find packages grub and lilo (I tried both), I'm using the regular CD |
| 17:45.18 | cast | run htop, look |
| 17:45.20 | pipeline | Jeo7: You'll know immediately after boot. |
| 17:45.30 | pipeline | Jeo7: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:45.41 | pipeline | Jeo7: If there was a problem, it probably wouldn't boot :) |
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| 17:45.53 | Jeo7 | pipeline: :) I'm looking for the info atm, so I could decided which cpu to buy :P |
| 17:45.54 | dazjorz | Back |
| 17:46.12 | jelly-home | reiser2: does it work with minicom for example? |
| 17:46.30 | reiser2 | minicom? |
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| 17:46.50 | jelly-home | reiser2: yes |
| 17:47.04 | jelly-home | !info minicom |
| 17:47.08 | dpkg | minicom: (friendly menu driven serial communication program), section comm, is optional. Version: 2.2-5 (sid), Packaged size: 283 kB, Installed size: 1112 kB |
| 17:47.23 | pipeline | Jeo7: With the price/performance on those suckers, I can't imagine NOT buying a C2Q or the Xeon counterpart. |
| 17:48.01 | jelly-home | what's Q? quad core? |
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| 17:48.13 | RayRaspi | what |
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| 17:48.29 | RayRaspi | what's a good way to check and see if the PHP5 package was compiled with DB2 support |
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| 17:49.05 | aleksanteri | Raspberry: phpinfo(); |
| 17:49.27 | Raspberry | I have a feeling I'm going to have to recompile the .deb to support db2 |
| 17:50.02 | jelly-home | RayRaspi: DB2 as in IBM's database? |
| 17:50.03 | reiser2 | where is minicom config file? |
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| 17:50.13 | Raspberry | yes |
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| 17:50.24 | Raspberry | I have to connect to a DB2 database on an IS/400 |
| 17:50.28 | Raspberry | er AS/400 for a customer |
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| 17:50.53 | jelly-home | Raspberry: if you need nonfree libraries or headers to build that support, it probably isn't built |
| 17:50.56 | Raspberry | i know PHP has the capabilities, but lots of the threads on the web point to needing a driver from IBM -- but all these threads are 2 years old |
| 17:51.46 | jelly-home | reiser2: you can set up serial port options while you're running minicom |
| 17:51.53 | Raspberry | but is the debian src even going to have the true PHP source? Or should I scrap the package and just grab it from php.net? |
| 17:52.46 | h3sp4wn | reiser2: ctrl a and then o |
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| 17:53.10 | reiser2 | no response |
| 17:53.41 | reiser2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:56.59 | jelly-home | Raspberry: sure it has php source |
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| 17:57.52 | Raspberry | I'll see if I can figure it out |
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| 17:58.31 | norbert_ | can I unzip multi-part files? |
| 17:58.33 | jelly-home | Raspberry: you'll want to do something like apt-get build-dep php5; apt-get source php5; then edit php*/debian/rules, or wherever the ./configure is called |
| 17:58.34 | spheard | !bz2 |
| 17:58.34 | dpkg | from memory, bz2 is the extension used for file created by bzip2, a program like gzip that gives better compression(particularly on text files) but takes much more memory to run see <bzip2>. or use the j switch to tar, or install and use unp (ask me about <unp>) |
| 17:59.00 | jelly-home | Raspberry: you'll need deb-src lines in your sources.list for that |
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| 17:59.11 | Raspberry | jelly-home: yup -- I have those |
| 17:59.17 | norbert_ | I even tried installing WinZip via wine, but I still cannot properly unzip multi-part files |
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| 17:59.35 | pipeline | norbert_: concatenate them |
| 17:59.42 | jelly-home | norbert_: unzip doesn't work? |
| 17:59.58 | pipeline | Raspberry: use JDBC :P |
| 18:00.09 | jelly-home | pipeline: somehow I don't think they're just split |
| 18:00.11 | norbert_ | pipeline: that won't work, I tried that and then ran zip -F (or tried also zip -FF) to fix the archive, but no succes |
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| 18:00.27 | Raspberry | as funny as that might be to you ;) I'd use anything -- although I hear JDBC setup is a pain |
| 18:00.28 | norbert_ | jelly-home: correct, no version of unzip properly unzips multi-part files |
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| 18:01.06 | jelly-home | norbert_: bugger. who is the fool that used multipart zip? |
| 18:01.09 | pipeline | Raspberry: I was more poking fun at your choice of platform. I don't know that anyone in history has ever tried to make PHP talk to a DB2 database :) |
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| 18:01.30 | jelly-home | pipeline: you really think he had a choice? |
| 18:01.36 | norbert_ | jelly-home: if it doesn't work under Linux, it's not by definition something or someone stupid; everybody uses winzip and multi-part files |
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| 18:02.13 | pipeline | jelly-home: He must have a lot of flexibility if he's able to get as far as selecting a language that isn't typically used and not even know whether it will work :P |
| 18:02.16 | jelly-home | norbert_: I'd use rar for multipart |
| 18:02.27 | Raspberry | it's not my choice |
| 18:02.41 | Raspberry | it's a large mfg company that has all of their operations stored on a DB2 server |
| 18:02.45 | pipeline | norbert_: actually, I'd never heard of zip multi-part files. I'd only ever seen RAR and split tarballs. |
| 18:02.49 | Raspberry | iSeries IBM AS/400 |
| 18:02.50 | pipeline | Raspberry: I meant the PHP side. |
| 18:03.14 | pipeline | Raspberry: Most DB2 development, regardles of iSeries vs. pSeries, is done with J2EE. |
| 18:03.14 | norbert_ | pipeline: that's because you're a Debian user |
| 18:03.19 | Raspberry | well I can use anything we want, but it has to be inserted into a MySQL DB on a daily basis |
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| 18:03.21 | jelly-home | pipeline: zip multpart format is kind of crap. you _must_ have the last file to make an extraction |
| 18:03.22 | norbert_ | Windows users will use WinZip, not rar |
| 18:03.29 | pipeline | Raspberry: you're killing me, smalls. |
| 18:03.42 | pipeline | norbert_: RAR was windows-exclusive for many years o_0 |
| 18:03.59 | h3sp4wn | Will they ? Most windows users I know use winrar |
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| 18:04.00 | pipeline | norbert_: it's the multi-part format loved and used by OMGTHESCENE all over the world for ten plus years :P |
| 18:04.18 | jelly-home | warez doodz use rar! |
| 18:04.19 | angasule | does someone read me when I say I have trouble installing or just when I talk about nethack? :P |
| 18:04.29 | Raspberry | pipeline: well do you have a way to just pull a simple SELECT from a table in a DB2 database using Debian? |
| 18:04.32 | jelly-home | ... or so I'm told :-D |
| 18:04.53 | ^NaTacHa^ | rar and those goddern sfv files ;/ |
| 18:05.06 | norbert_ | okay, so you all like rar for multipart, but meanwhile no Linux user in the world can unzip multipart zip files |
| 18:05.19 | jelly-home | norbert_: you're the first! |
| 18:05.26 | ^NaTacHa^ | indeed |
| 18:05.29 | h3sp4wn | can the linux version of 7zip do it ? |
| 18:05.33 | norbert_ | to actually complain here, yes |
| 18:05.42 | norbert_ | other people just think "Linux sucks" and the reinstall Windows |
| 18:05.57 | jelly-home | norbert_: and they're right |
| 18:06.12 | yang | Does the LIVE CD contain crypto-modules cryptsetup-udeb ? |
| 18:06.14 | yang | and is it suitable for rescueing crypted fs? |
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| 18:06.54 | norbert_ | h3sp4wn: /usr/bin/p7zip: video.zip: unknown suffix -- ignored |
| 18:07.06 | jelly-home | norbert_: I'm mildly surprised that WinZip under wine can't do it, though |
| 18:07.12 | pipeline | norbert_: p7zip is not winzip :P |
| 18:07.25 | jelly-home | norbert_: care to upload an example |
| 18:07.32 | pipeline | norbert_: p.s. there's no such thing as a multipart zip file. You want to interpret the specific-to-winzip format that very few people use :) |
| 18:07.42 | jelly-home | pipeline: there is. |
| 18:07.53 | pipeline | jelly-home: no standard |
| 18:08.05 | jelly-home | pipeline: you're in the wrong here, even PKZip supports it |
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| 18:08.51 | jelly-home | pipeline: while we're at it, is there an actual standardized spec of .zip format? |
| 18:08.57 | aleksanteri | how can i get the nvidia-kernel package? |
| 18:09.07 | pipeline | jelly-home: Nope, just a common subset shared between implementations |
| 18:09.19 | pipeline | jelly-home: pkzip's multi-file is specific to pkzip IIRC |
| 18:09.28 | jelly-home | pipeline: so there's no "standard" to refer to :-P |
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| 18:10.01 | nsx | is there an easy way to find reverse dependencies in debian? |
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| 18:10.50 | pipeline | nsx: deborphan package has some tools to help with that |
| 18:13.06 | nsx | well let me ask this |
| 18:13.15 | nsx | is there any good reason to run the port mapper if I'm not using nfs? |
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| 18:13.28 | pipeline | NFS is the only RPC service most people ever use |
| 18:13.35 | pipeline | so if you don't know, then no, there isn't. |
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| 18:14.07 | nsx | I could've sworn that one time I was installing an everyday application that had portmap in its dependencies, recommends, or suggests |
| 18:14.27 | nsx | but grepping through /var/lib/dpkg/available, I don't see any such app |
| 18:14.50 | jelly-home | nsx: gamin or fam, I think |
| 18:14.56 | pipeline | gamin and fam run their own daemons |
| 18:14.59 | pipeline | no RPC necessary |
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| 18:15.08 | pipeline | they use unix sockets |
| 18:15.15 | jelly-home | I believe one of the alternatives uses RPC |
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| 18:15.48 | jelly-home | fam does. |
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| 18:16.44 | nsx | I see nothing about portmap in the fam control info |
| 18:16.57 | nsx | that might have been where I saw it before, though |
| 18:17.07 | alexIdoia | I have two box and I would like to backup all content of /home/ onto the second box every 24h, what is the best way ? |
| 18:17.25 | nsx | in retrospect, it does seem like it was fam |
| 18:17.34 | ricky | alexIdoia: Perhaps take a look at rsync. |
| 18:17.47 | sparr | alexIdoia: rsync for sure |
| 18:17.48 | alexIdoia | I thought about doing a simple copy but then I am sure they are other optimised way that copy only the modifications |
| 18:17.55 | alexIdoia | ok |
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| 18:18.25 | jelly-home | nsx: aptitude search '~Dportmap' |
| 18:18.51 | gce | i'm trying to create a 1TB volume group - vgcreate -M2 -s 32M vg01 /dev/sda1 but I end up with a VG Size of 280.25 GB how to get vg size larger ? |
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| 18:20.47 | aleksanteri | how can i get the nvidia-kernel package? |
| 18:20.55 | ixion | how can I list the users on my system ? |
| 18:21.09 | ixion | installed a package that created a user... I need to know what username it created |
| 18:21.21 | ricky | ixion: less /etc/passwd |
| 18:21.26 | ixion | ta |
| 18:21.41 | |DuReX| | kernel: general protection fault: 0000 [1] what could cause this ? it crashes whole my system :( full error: http://pastebin.com/m72fac8ce |
| 18:21.59 | jelly-home | "general protection fault"?? |
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| 18:22.22 | ricky | ixion: rpm -q --scripts packagename is probably better. |
| 18:22.39 | yang | Does the LIVE CD contain crypto-modules cryptsetup-udeb ? |
| 18:22.40 | yang | and is it suitable for rescueing crypted fs? |
| 18:22.41 | ricky | Hmm.. or is it... |
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| 18:23.46 | ixion | does anyone here use nagios ? |
| 18:23.48 | jelly-home | |DuReX|: your kernel is tainted, can you reproduce this without nasty modules? |
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| 18:24.13 | |DuReX| | jelly-home: no, as i really need that module for my raid card : |
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| 18:25.55 | tommy15 | www.mail35.de |
| 18:25.57 | tommy15 | www.mail35.de |
| 18:25.57 | aleksanteri | spammer... |
| 18:25.57 | nsx | jelly-home: where is it getting that information from? how come when I do apt-cache show fam, it doesn't mention portmap? |
| 18:25.57 | jelly-home | |DuReX|: ah, fakeraid with a binary module? I'm not sure you'll get much help |
| 18:26.25 | tommy15 | www.mail35.de |
| 18:26.25 | jelly-home | nsx: my fam has portmap in: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-12), lsb-base (>= 3.0-6), portmap |
| 18:26.40 | jelly-home | !ops tommy15 spamming |
| 18:26.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-home complains about: tommy15 spamming |
| 18:26.46 | nsx | oh wait, you're right |
| 18:26.57 | tommy15 | www.mail35.de |
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| 18:27.03 | aleksanteri | how can i get the nvidia-kernel package? |
| 18:27.16 | jabba_da_hut | Hello all , Is there any way to check if my ssh server is working fine? |
| 18:27.23 | ricky | jabba_da_hut: ssh into it? |
| 18:27.24 | xand | jabba_da_hut: ssh to it? |
| 18:27.27 | xand | DUH |
| 18:27.30 | nsx | fam isn't even in /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 18:27.30 | |DuReX| | yea jelly-home i know :( its fucking crap, but controller doesn't work without the driver :( |
| 18:27.32 | tommy15 | www.mail35.de |
| 18:27.44 | tomaw | tommy15: please stop that |
| 18:27.52 | nsx | I'm not even running fam, but for some reason, nautilus seems to be notified immediately when a file or directory's name changes |
| 18:27.57 | nsx | or when one is deleted |
| 18:28.12 | jelly-home | nsx: maybe you have the other one |
| 18:28.19 | jelly-home | gamin |
| 18:28.19 | nsx | I don't have gamin either |
| 18:28.22 | tommy15 | www.mail35.de |
| 18:28.24 | nsx | nautilus can't use gamin |
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| 18:28.31 | nsx | other file browsers can |
| 18:28.54 | nsx | it's either polling or it's using some built-in kernel mechanism |
| 18:29.01 | nsx | and I doubt it's polling |
| 18:29.05 | sparr | [how] can apt-cache show me what repository a package will/can come from? |
| 18:29.14 | jelly-home | maybe Gnome uses something else to set up dnotify/inotify |
| 18:29.34 | nsx | isn't there some sort of kernel driver to replace fam now? I seem to recall hearing something about this |
| 18:29.42 | jelly-home | sparr: apt-cache policy foo might help |
| 18:30.32 | |DuReX| | jelly-home: u think its caused by the driver ? or u think it might be something else |
| 18:30.36 | nsx | tomaw: how in the hell do you pay attention to all of the channels you're in? |
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| 18:31.01 | jelly-home | |DuReX|: no idea |
| 18:31.01 | nsx | I don't think I've ever seen anyone in that many channels in all the years I've been on IRC |
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| 18:31.20 | tomaw | nsx: I don't pay attention to them all, but I do have my client monitor for various things (like people calling for ops, etc) |
| 18:31.25 | jelly-home | |DuReX|: how large is your logical device? |
| 18:31.32 | GreenJelly | what iss the grub command to turn off ACHI? |
| 18:31.42 | jelly-home | |DuReX|: I heard about problems with XFS on large block device |
| 18:31.56 | aleksanteri | how can i get the nvidia-kernel package? ... |
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| 18:32.23 | nsx | or people asking about the number of channels you're in? :p |
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| 18:32.39 | |DuReX| | jelly-home: i'm running xfs on a 5TB block device |
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| 18:32.43 | |DuReX| | working perfect :s so :s |
| 18:32.51 | xand | !nvidia-kernel |
| 18:32.51 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel packages do not exist any more - they were too much of a pain to keep in synch with kernel-images. To install an nvidia-kernel package, apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia |
| 18:33.06 | jelly-home | |DuReX|: I see, it's working exceedingly perfectly |
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| 18:33.33 | tomaw | nsx: :P |
| 18:33.54 | aleksanteri | thanks xand :) |
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| 18:34.18 | jelly-home | |DuReX|: if you can get your fakeraid working with free drivers, try asking on lkml or xfs lists |
| 18:34.21 | aleksanteri | argh |
| 18:34.54 | aleksanteri | "Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use " |
| 18:34.59 | |DuReX| | jelly-home: it doesn't work with free drivers :( |
| 18:35.04 | |DuReX| | stopid crap controller :( |
| 18:35.27 | jelly-home | |DuReX|: sucks to be you? |
| 18:35.46 | aleksanteri | :( |
| 18:36.02 | hark | aleksanteri: m-a prepare |
| 18:36.02 | xand | !kernel headers |
| 18:36.02 | dpkg | http://uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0007.3/0587.html |
| 18:36.03 | jelly-home | |DuReX|: I try not to buy hardware that works with unsupported drivers |
| 18:36.17 | |DuReX| | i know :) i'm learned also now |
| 18:36.18 | |DuReX| | :p |
| 18:36.24 | xand | buying hardware for linux can be tricky |
| 18:36.27 | aleksanteri | hark: doesn't help |
| 18:37.06 | fyrestrtr | is there a way to 'mask' a package from apt? make it think it is installed so that other packages that depend on it will not be blocked? |
| 18:37.09 | jelly-home | xand: note I didn't exclude closed or 3rd party drivers, only "unsupported" :-) |
| 18:37.35 | |DuReX| | its supported |
| 18:37.35 | sparr | why is deborphan a binary? it seems like it would be a relatively simple script in any number of languages |
| 18:37.40 | |DuReX| | by highpoint drivers |
| 18:37.45 | |DuReX| | ..; |
| 18:37.48 | jelly-home | xand: we're running RHEL instead of the preferred Debian on some machines just to have support for SAN |
| 18:38.05 | hark | fyrestrtr: equivs |
| 18:38.09 | xand | we have no "real" linux servers at work |
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| 18:38.10 | jelly-home | |DuReX|: so go ask highpoint. |
| 18:38.18 | fyrestrtr | hark: sorry? |
| 18:38.26 | hark | aleksanteri: do you have the headers for your kernel installed? |
| 18:38.28 | |DuReX| | i did :( they ask more info |
| 18:38.37 | aleksanteri | hark: i don't know |
| 18:38.40 | |DuReX| | they'll pass it to engineering |
| 18:38.46 | |DuReX| | and then u never hear anything anymore :( |
| 18:38.47 | |DuReX| | pfft |
| 18:38.50 | hark | !tell fyrestrtr about equivs |
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| 18:39.22 | fyrestrtr | thanks hark |
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| 18:40.47 | GreenJelly | how do I install a IRC client and Firefox? |
| 18:41.02 | aleksanteri | GreenJelly: sudo apt-get install firefox |
| 18:41.04 | aleksanteri | gets firefox |
| 18:41.22 | aleksanteri | and replace firefox with the irc client you want |
| 18:41.23 | xand | you want iceweasel not firewfox |
| 18:41.29 | xand | -w |
| 18:41.29 | aleksanteri | oh yeah |
| 18:41.35 | xand | and then install irssi :) |
| 18:41.40 | aleksanteri | or kvirc :P |
| 18:41.48 | snowbird | ksirc |
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| 18:42.12 | snowbird | how u make buddie list in that |
| 18:42.14 | xand | irssi is The One True Client |
| 18:42.29 | snowbird | oh neovr heard that one |
| 18:42.32 | yang | xand: iceweasel=firefox |
| 18:42.33 | aleksanteri | kvirc rocks :) |
| 18:42.42 | antgel | !start a war |
| 18:42.42 | dpkg | [start a war] GWB says you have WMD!!!! Mwhahaha |
| 18:42.42 | fyrestrtr | hark: how do i get the information to plug into the equivs file for a package? sorry, new to this. |
| 18:42.43 | aleksanteri | yang: you here? :) |
| 18:43.00 | GreenJelly | man, ACPI is screwing up everything |
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| 18:45.41 | snowbird | aleksanteri: have u been able to ahve freinds list in ksirc |
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| 18:46.23 | aleksanteri | snowbird: i use kvirc not ksirc |
| 18:46.34 | aleksanteri | they're two different things :) |
| 18:46.36 | snowbird | ahh |
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| 18:47.51 | hark | !helpfile equivs |
| 18:47.51 | dpkg | For help with equivs, look in /usr/share/doc/equivs There may be an examples/ directory there as well. |
| 18:48.22 | |DuReX| | nobody has any other id to solve my problem ? :( |
| 18:48.35 | |DuReX| | full error: http://pastebin.com/m72fac8ce |
| 18:48.39 | unlink | how can i associate an icon with a gnome app for the alt-tab menu and pager? gvim doesn't show one in debian sid |
| 18:48.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello. I've got a laptop with an extremely annoyingly sensitive touchpad. ksynaptics and such don't seem to have an effect, neither when I try to adjust down the sensitivity, or when I try to shut the pad down alltogether. Can anyone help me out? |
| 18:49.06 | aleksanteri | no one knows? :| |
| 18:49.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'd like the touchpad to be completely shut down when I plug in a mouse |
| 18:49.20 | snowbird | have u tried kvirc2 |
| 18:49.37 | aleksanteri | snowbird: no, i use kvirc 3.2.6 :p |
| 18:50.01 | snowbird | il look it up |
| 18:50.02 | aleksanteri | well ok compiling errors don't let me compile 3.2.6 so i use 3.2.4 :| |
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| 18:53.49 | nsx | jelly-home: does aptitude have any search patterns for suggests/recommends? I'm looking through /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README and I don't see anything |
| 18:53.51 | jelly-home | antgel: you meant a _browser_ war, not the regular kind |
| 18:54.12 | antgel | jelly-home: i meant an irc client war, but anything will do |
| 18:54.13 | jelly-home | nsx: look deeper... /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ |
| 18:54.28 | jelly-home | irssi sux! |
| 18:54.34 | aleksanteri | ! |
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| 18:54.43 | nsx | although it says "one of the dependency types..." |
| 18:54.48 | nsx | so maybe ~D works for them all |
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| 18:55.24 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: have you looked at syndaemon? |
| 18:55.36 | nsx | cool |
| 18:55.44 | nsx | ~Dsuggests:package works |
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| 18:56.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: No |
| 18:56.24 | nsx | irssi does suck, though |
| 18:56.32 | aleksanteri | grr |
| 18:56.35 | aleksanteri | nsx: agree |
| 18:56.36 | nsx | it's like the mIRC of unix console, for people who are too lazy to actually configure their IRC client :o |
| 18:56.45 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: is in xserver-org-input-synaptics these days; manpage is pretty self explanatory. |
| 18:57.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: I did lsmod and tried looking for something that had "touchpad" or "synaptics" or something in its name, but failed to find any |
| 18:57.06 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: not exactly your stated requirement but may well do what you actually want in practice |
| 18:57.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, thanks, xingu |
| 18:57.22 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: it's part of psmouse |
| 18:57.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | aha |
| 18:57.29 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: ie, a personality of psmouse |
| 18:57.44 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: do you have xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed? |
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| 18:57.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | Great - schitzophrenic kernel modules, xingu :) |
| 18:58.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: I assume so, otherwise the tp wouldn't have worked |
| 18:58.23 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: not necessairly |
| 18:58.58 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: once you have syndaemon running, you can direct it with synclient too; it uses shm to chitchat with the xorg synaptics driver. |
| 18:59.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, great :D |
| 18:59.24 | |DuReX| | http://pastebin.com/m4a51d258 this is the error i got the last time |
| 18:59.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | Thanks a lot, guys |
| 18:59.33 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: but I'd take a wild guess that once you configure xorg for synaptics driver and run syndaemon, the defaults will be good. |
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| 18:59.44 | vbanait | hi |
| 18:59.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | Also, the lappy has an integrated webcam, I can't figure out how to activate it |
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| 19:00.00 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: if it's asus there's a kernel module I believe. |
| 19:00.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's a Zepto laptop |
| 19:00.23 | vbanait | i need a medical record software preinstalled on linux system.can you suggest a distro |
| 19:00.37 | antgel | !start a distro war |
| 19:00.37 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 19:00.58 | vbanait | any doctor here |
| 19:01.12 | antgel | i'm a love doctor :D |
| 19:01.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | !smite CAT-5 cables |
| 19:01.57 | vbanait | o k you will do. pl hlp |
| 19:01.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | !hug CAT-6 cables |
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| 19:01.59 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: http://m560x.x3ng.com/ <-- maybe. |
| 19:02.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | The precise lappy model is Zepto Znote 6625WD |
| 19:02.11 | antgel | vbanait: it was a joke. /msg dpkg english |
| 19:02.19 | aleksanteri | :((( |
| 19:02.26 | aleksanteri | how on earth can you install nvidia-glx? |
| 19:02.28 | vbanait | :-[ |
| 19:02.52 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: I have a separate InputDevice section for the touchpad, and synclient works... I don't play with it much though |
| 19:02.57 | snowbird | in kvinc can u make freinds list? |
| 19:02.59 | blommer | after updating the kernel i just need to look in the /boot, find the vmlinuz name and change it in lilo.conf right? |
| 19:03.11 | aleksanteri | snowbird: basically |
| 19:03.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: Ok |
| 19:03.32 | vbanait | is gnumed available preinstalled and pre configured on any distro |
| 19:04.18 | xand | vbanait: apt-cache search gnumed |
| 19:05.36 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: ditto separate section, config couldn't be plainer; identifier/driver "synaptics"/ option "protocol" "auto-dev"/ option "shmconfig" "on" ... |
| 19:06.05 | aleksanteri | how can you install nvidia-kernel? going crazy here.. |
| 19:06.21 | xand | !nvidia |
| 19:06.21 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 19:06.27 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: I don't use syndaemon/client though, accidental touchpad craziness is a non-issue here. |
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| 19:06.37 | xand | !xingu |
| 19:06.44 | snowbird | msg the bot nv install |
| 19:08.12 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: http://pastebin.com/d53f2d462 |
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| 19:09.50 | vbanait | xand: output command not found |
| 19:10.42 | jelly-home | vbanait: are you using debian? |
| 19:11.31 | jelly-home | vbanait: if not, search for the package at http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 19:11.49 | unlink | i cannot find this information on google |
| 19:12.07 | unlink | how do applications specify an icon for the alt-tab box in gnome? |
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| 19:12.47 | MatBoy | Hi, does Debian also have a problem with 4GB and ASUS mobo's and remapping ? |
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| 19:14.07 | aleksanteri | xand: the m-a can't find the kernel headers |
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| 19:14.27 | jelly-home | MatBoy: sounds like a kernel issue |
| 19:15.32 | aleksanteri | why m-a can't find the kernel headers? :| |
| 19:15.49 | aleksanteri | well |
| 19:15.56 | aleksanteri | $ sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.19 |
| 19:15.57 | aleksanteri | Package linux-headers-2.6.19 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 19:16.09 | aleksanteri | how you fix this+ |
| 19:16.12 | aleksanteri | this? * |
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| 19:17.31 | aleksanteri | knoppix does -_- |
| 19:17.38 | xand | are you using knoppix? |
| 19:17.43 | aleksanteri | yea |
| 19:17.51 | xand | we can't help you then |
| 19:17.56 | xand | ask #knoppix |
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| 19:17.57 | aleksanteri | and #knoppix is quite dead... |
| 19:18.04 | xand | !knoppix |
| 19:18.04 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unoffical: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 19:18.19 | aleksanteri | damn |
| 19:18.49 | pihhan | hello |
| 19:18.58 | aleksanteri | well i got the header sources anyway.. lfs nicely uses 2.6.19 too |
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| 19:19.05 | pihhan | i have trouble after updating snmpd from sarge to etch |
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| 19:19.26 | pihhan | it does hang on configuring after snmpd is started |
| 19:21.09 | pihhan | 15177 pts/0 Z 0:00 [snmpd.postinst] <defunct> |
| 19:21.22 | pihhan | is that known or expected behaviour? |
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| 19:21.44 | aleksanteri | grrr |
| 19:21.51 | aleksanteri | still can't find the headers.. |
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| 19:25.49 | snowbird | is there a way to add freidns to irc |
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| 19:27.06 | xingu | nope, usually you lose them once they work out what kind of a introspective emo weiner you are. |
| 19:28.14 | xingu | s/wei/wie/ |
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| 19:28.23 | zirikili | does anyone has a tutorial about nvidia drivers on kernel 2.6.21 ? |
| 19:28.48 | MatBoy | noone know about the 4GB remapping problem ? |
| 19:28.58 | xingu | zirikili: afaik 2.6.21 debian stylee has paravirt ops both enabled and gpl exported |
| 19:29.15 | snowbird | zirikili: do u ghave gui at all |
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| 19:29.29 | xingu | zirikili: so the tutorial would be if that were true roughly "build your own kernel" "patch the helper module" or "don't" depending on comfort factor. |
| 19:29.40 | snowbird | zirikili: |
| 19:30.14 | zirikili | xingu: do I have to compile the kernel by myself do include nvidia extensions ? |
| 19:31.06 | xingu | zirikili: that's one of the three routes to karma |
| 19:31.08 | snowbird | look on nvida sight there usaly are drivers there |
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| 19:32.16 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
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| 19:34.08 | |DuReX| | the new drivers in kernel work now with highpoint controller |
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| 19:34.18 | |DuReX| | but dmraid doesn't find it :( |
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| 19:36.26 | JeffH | Is there a package with Verisgn root certificates? |
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| 19:37.43 | ccesario_ | hello, somebody know any php gui admin, (webmin style) ? |
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| 19:38.13 | antgel | !tell ccesario_ about polls |
| 19:38.18 | antgel | !tell ccesario_ about search |
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| 19:43.46 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
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| 19:50.43 | g0rd0n | i forgot, how can i reboot telling grub to boot a specific kernel just once? so that if the boot fails i can reset the machine and it will load the default kernel... |
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| 19:51.54 | xordi | using /boot/grub/menu.lst ?? |
| 19:53.17 | g0rd0n | no |
| 19:53.27 | nsx | how can I stop apt-get from reinstalling essential packages (such as login and passwd) when I do an apt-get upgrade? |
| 19:53.33 | g0rd0n | i cannot access grub menu while rebooting |
| 19:53.52 | nsx | actually, I guess it only does that with dist-upgrade |
| 19:53.52 | g0rd0n | i need to tell the machine to reboot with a specific kernel |
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| 19:55.51 | sha | g0rd0n, there's a "fallback"-directive for the grub.conf/menu.lst |
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| 19:57.15 | cr3 | is this channel as good a place as any to ask a /bin/sh question? |
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| 19:59.12 | sha | cr3, its definitely a bad place for asking to ask |
| 19:59.22 | unlink | oh snap |
| 19:59.34 | MatBoy | whta version shall I install on a Q6600 ? |
| 19:59.37 | antgel | cr3: if you're running debian, yes |
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| 19:59.54 | cr3 | sha: yeah, I was afraid of that, but I was leaving the door open to be told where to go (except to go screw mysle, of course :) |
| 20:00.09 | unlink | MatBoy: the processor doesn't affect that decision (vs. other core 2s) |
| 20:00.19 | unlink | MatBoy: oh i see what you're asking. amd64. |
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| 20:00.37 | MatBoy | unlink, yeah, damn I always forget that... amd is confusing ;) |
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| 20:01.07 | unlink | MatBoy: that's a damn good proc. a little too powerhungry for me though |
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| 20:01.57 | MatBoy | unlink, thank you... vmware is going to be installed on Debian.. I have problems with 4GB on CentOS with ASUS :S |
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| 20:04.44 | sha | cr3, just ask:) |
| 20:05.02 | yigal | a file called 'yes' is made in my 'pwd' for some reason every few 10 minutes. It ranges in size from 40-100K. When I run 'file' on it i get "yes: GNU dbm 1.x or ndbm database, little endian". i have asked before but does anyone have any idea what it could be? |
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| 20:05.23 | cr3 | sha: heh, I just answered my question in the meanwhile :) thanks for following up though, I hope you weren't too eager for a shell scripting question :) |
| 20:06.19 | sparr | A "depends" on B. I am making an equivs package for B so I can remove its files. I want the equivs package to be distinct. My idea is to name it B-fake, have it "replace" and "provide" B. Is that right? |
| 20:06.41 | sha | cr3, yeah i was really pried ;) |
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| 20:06.59 | g0rd0n | /usr/sbin/grub-reboot: line 68: 6498 Segmentation fault |
| 20:07.00 | g0rd0n | nice |
| 20:07.34 | yigal | let me state my concerns more explicitly is it likely that this file "yes" is related to some kind of virus/worm that may be on my computer? |
| 20:07.46 | Pete_B | I've looked all over the web and can't find how to do this in a BASH script: 'perl -pi.bak -e 's/myhostname = localhost.localdomain = $HOSTNAME.localdomain/g;' main.cf' where $HOSTNAME is the BASH env var. Can anyone help please? |
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| 20:08.47 | Pete_B | any other means to get hostname into there would be appreciated |
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| 20:09.07 | yigal | Pete_B: what do you want to do with the host name? |
| 20:09.18 | et | Pete_B: enclose $HOSTNAME in single quotes |
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| 20:10.04 | Pete_B | et: wow, so easy! many thanks. |
| 20:10.05 | yigal | echo \"`hostname`\" ? |
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| 20:10.29 | yigal | excuse me single quotes you are right |
| 20:10.31 | yigal | didn't read |
| 20:10.38 | Pete_B | yigal: change the default setting in a Postfix config file |
| 20:10.42 | et | Pete_B: stuff in single quotes is not replaced, that's why you have to end the single quotes before the var (and add after) |
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| 20:12.56 | Pete_B | et: I also see now that if I'd put the whole Perl replacement in double quotes rather than single then the straight $HOSTNAME would have worked |
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| 20:14.38 | solar_ant | hi all |
| 20:14.39 | solar_ant | solar pppd[4410]: Unsupported protocol 'IPv6 Control Protovol' (0x8057) received |
| 20:15.08 | solar_ant | does that mean , that the IPv6 control protocol support is not installed with pppd ? |
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| 20:16.27 | solar_ant | anyone home ? |
| 20:16.39 | tonsofpcs | no |
| 20:16.42 | solar_ant | i am trying to conect a handheld to my debian mahcine |
| 20:16.52 | solar_ant | everything seems fine , except this. |
| 20:17.18 | solar_ant | tonsofpcs: any leads ? |
| 20:17.34 | cr3 | sha: ok, here's one shell question: how can I test that a variable starts with "-" so that I can parse command line arguments in a loop? |
| 20:17.37 | tonsofpcs | please describe in more specifics what you are trying to do |
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| 20:18.43 | cr3 | that should be preferably for the bourne shell rather than bash, so I'm not sure if I can use getopt |
| 20:18.49 | solar_ant | tonsofpcs: I am trying to get synce to work with wiza200 running windows mobile 6 |
| 20:18.57 | fyrestrtr | where can I find the information for a package that equivs requires? |
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| 20:19.41 | lvmc | how i can remove packages from gnome? i want remove hplib, xsane etc... |
| 20:19.46 | lvmc | if i remove them gnome package will be removed |
| 20:19.57 | solar_ant | when i run the synce-serial-start , i see a message like this followed by lcp terminated by peer , connection terminated , modem hangup |
| 20:20.17 | norc | lvmc: because no other package dependes on gnome anymore then I guess :) |
| 20:20.19 | tonsofpcs | solar_ant: i have no clue what synce is or what you are trying to do |
| 20:20.45 | solar_ant | tonsofpcs: I am just trying to get the box talk with a mobile phone |
| 20:21.11 | solar_ant | its more of a ppp related question |
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| 20:21.32 | tonsofpcs | solar_ant: "talk with a mobile phone" is ambiguous |
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| 20:23.55 | solar_ant | tonsofpcs: I am using the usb cable to connect to a mobile running windows mobile 6 . It uses the ipaq driver |
| 20:24.20 | solar_ant | synce is the suite which does this |
| 20:24.25 | solar_ant | and it uses ppp |
| 20:24.32 | solar_ant | now ppp in its error log complains |
| 20:25.42 | solar_ant | this -> http://rafb.net/p/FIwv1v74.html |
| 20:25.53 | yigal | if i want to scan my $HOME is this a reasonable command line: 'clamscan -i -r $HOME' ? or does anyone have a better suggestion? |
| 20:26.13 | tonsofpcs | so you're trying to use it as a modem? |
| 20:26.20 | tonsofpcs | or just serial data between the two? |
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| 20:26.51 | tonsofpcs | anyway, that says hat 192.168.131.201 (the mobile) disconnected, probably didn't accept the connection, may be locked or require special settings |
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| 20:33.40 | solar_ant | tonsofpcs: it has nothing to do with , lack of ipv6 support ? |
| 20:34.13 | tonsofpcs | highly doubtful since IPs are assigned |
| 20:34.14 | solar_ant | tonsofpcs: just serial data between the two |
| 20:34.50 | MatBoy | In which file could I set the kernel from 1000Hz to 100Hz ? I have done it before |
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| 20:35.16 | h3sp4wn | MatBoy: Its a build time option only |
| 20:35.21 | solar_ant | tonsofpcs: why would it say Unsupported protocol 'IPv6 Control Protovol' |
| 20:35.38 | h3sp4wn | MatBoy: but the file would be .config |
| 20:35.45 | MatBoy | h3sp4wn, I thought I changed it once on a system by hand an that worked |
| 20:35.46 | solar_ant | and what could be locked ? |
| 20:35.57 | MatBoy | h3sp4wn, no, another file |
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| 20:36.35 | h3sp4wn | MatBoy: did you use a binary editor ? |
| 20:36.52 | MatBoy | h3sp4wn, just nano |
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| 20:37.07 | yigal | MatBoy: i think you mean cpu, and as far as I believe /proc/acpi/processor/CPU ? |
| 20:37.21 | yigal | MatBoy: or do you really mean kernel? |
| 20:37.40 | MatBoy | yigal, I really can't remember it :( |
| 20:38.07 | yigal | MatBoy: are you trying to change the speed of a laptop CPU for instance, to lower the heat battery consumption? |
| 20:38.36 | MatBoy | yigal, no, for vmware, the kernel is running on 1000Hz |
| 20:38.39 | MatBoy | I need 100Hz |
| 20:39.05 | yigal | MatBoy: oh, never mind, sorry, that should be vmware specific and have little to do with the kernel? |
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| 20:39.24 | MatBoy | yigal, yeah, but the kernel on 100Hz is a workaround |
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| 20:40.06 | h3sp4wn | MatBoy: according to the rosegarden faq - "Recompile your kernel with system timer set to 1000 Hz. Sadly there's no way to change this without a recompile." |
| 20:40.23 | yigal | MatBoy: why can't you use virtualbox or qemu? |
| 20:40.26 | sparr | Can one package be made to cause the uninstallation of another via dpkg? Or only via apt? |
| 20:40.27 | MatBoy | h3sp4wn, yep, I thought the same :) |
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| 20:42.04 | _JusSx_ | HI DEBIAN PPL |
| 20:42.12 | CruX | which mp3 lib use mplayer in debian ? |
| 20:42.14 | CruX | libmad ? |
| 20:42.26 | yigal | CruX: it depends |
| 20:42.41 | _JusSx_ | please rm your mp3s and keep your oggs |
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| 20:43.09 | yigal | CruX: _JusSx_ convert baby its the name of the game |
| 20:43.11 | _JusSx_ | or break your mp3 and keep safe your eggs |
| 20:43.23 | CruX | _JusSx_: i have ubuntu and i am trying to compress .vob file with mencoder |
| 20:43.29 | MatBoy | yigal, only the guests need it on vmware |
| 20:43.34 | CruX | video os xvid and audio vorbis |
| 20:43.46 | MatBoy | btw, does someone has experience with an RTL8111B under Debian ? |
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| 20:43.59 | MatBoy | Itś seen during the install but not working directly |
| 20:44.05 | CruX | and i am hearing only noise |
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| 20:44.47 | yigal | CruX: can you use another player to play the files? |
| 20:45.06 | yigal | CruX: why are you using ubuntu and on this channel? |
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| 20:46.31 | _JusSx_ | well ubuntu is a fork of debian, isnt it? |
| 20:46.49 | _JusSx_ | he's going to root |
| 20:47.03 | wintix | !ubuntu |
| 20:47.03 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu - See also <based on debian caveats>. |
| 20:47.43 | _JusSx_ | !gentoo |
| 20:47.43 | dpkg | i heard gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 20:47.46 | yigal | _JusSx_: exactly a fork |
| 20:47.47 | CruX | yigal: because here are more inteligent people |
| 20:47.59 | yigal | CruX: :) |
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| 20:48.59 | _JusSx_ | i love fork function. you 'll never know what you are when it returns |
| 20:49.21 | _JusSx_ | Parents? child? doughter? Uncle? |
| 20:49.26 | yigal | _JusSx_: in general a fork does not return |
| 20:49.37 | _JusSx_ | what? |
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| 20:49.58 | _JusSx_ | i always thought it returns |
| 20:50.02 | yigal | _JusSx_: in general forks of software do not return or become closer to their parents |
| 20:50.32 | _JusSx_ | RETURN VALUE On success, the PID of the child process is returned in the parent's thread of exe- cution, and a 0 is returned in the child's thread of execution. On failure, a -1 will be returned in the parent's context, no child process will be created, and errno will be set appropriately. |
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| 20:51.11 | _JusSx_ | i hope Ubuntu will never returns |
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| 20:51.30 | peterS | yigal: you're thinking of exec*, not fork |
| 20:51.53 | diego71 | how can i set the dns server in debian? |
| 20:52.15 | _JusSx_ | !fork |
| 20:52.15 | dpkg | spoon! |
| 20:52.22 | yigal | knife |
| 20:52.23 | _JusSx_ | !suck |
| 20:52.23 | dpkg | i heard suck is an NNTP client for pulling articles from a remote news server and feeding them to your local news server |
| 20:52.31 | yigal | chop stix |
| 20:52.32 | _JusSx_ | !dick |
| 20:52.37 | peterS | _JusSx_: stop abusing the bot, thanks |
| 20:52.39 | _JusSx_ | !stick |
| 20:52.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, stick is Manual shift |
| 20:52.47 | _JusSx_ | !ass |
| 20:52.47 | dpkg | hmm... ass is what you're sitting on, the thing that you're riding, possibly the thing you're admiring. |
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| 20:52.50 | alexIdoia | hi I am stuck with a very stupid problem, I a, using a key with to ssh to a remote server, ssh -i KEY user@remote, but I need to cache the passphrase as I will ssh in a cron script, so I ran ssh-agentm for some reasons it always ask for the passphrase ??? any idea ? |
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| 20:53.05 | peterS | I said, stop abusing the bot |
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| 20:54.01 | alexIdoia | Am I doing it rightly ? should I only run ssh-agent once for it to cache my ssh keys ? |
| 20:54.09 | NicNac | hi can anybody help me? |
| 20:54.16 | NicNac | I keep getting this error: |
| 20:54.17 | NicNac | http://pastebin.com/m5a920bd9 |
| 20:55.01 | peterS | NicNac: the obvious answer is that you don't have gpgv installed. do you? |
| 20:55.17 | NicNac | Im not sure I just got done installing debian |
| 20:55.19 | sparr | package A depends on package B. I want to build a new A that not only doesnt depend on B, but that causes B to be uninstalled. Can that be done? |
| 20:55.26 | peterS | alexIdoia: well, ssh-agent has to be run in such a way that your other apps know how to find it. usually this means it is run as part of your X login session |
| 20:55.30 | diego71 | how can i modifie the dns server, debian keeps on modifing the /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:55.36 | yigal | alexIdoia: ssh-agent is started as a kind of daemon? |
| 20:55.40 | peterS | sparr: that is what is known as "Conflicts:" |
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| 20:55.51 | alexIdoia | peterS: I am not sure to understand, |
| 20:55.59 | sparr | peterS: i tried that, then apt just tells me the new A cant be installed because of the conflict |
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| 20:56.23 | alexIdoia | peterS: are you telling me that I should logout and login again ? |
| 20:56.26 | yigal | alexIdoia: don't you want to use ssh-add to add the key to $HOME/.ssh/id_rsa etc/ |
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| 20:56.44 | alexIdoia | yigal: I am not root |
| 20:56.46 | yigal | s/etc\/etc ? |
| 20:56.51 | NicNac | PeterS: I just finished installing debian am I missing something? |
| 20:56.52 | yigal | alexIdoia: you don't need to be |
| 20:56.52 | peterS | alexIdoia: I'm saying if you run ssh-agent but not as an ancestor to your shell processes, the copies of ssh that you spawn from your shells will not know where ssh-agent is |
| 20:57.28 | peterS | NicNac: gpgv should be installed, but check to see: dpkg -l gpgv |
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| 20:57.52 | alexIdoia | peterS: I understand, so that the ps should be launched after ssh-agent, but I did that |
| 20:58.02 | alexIdoia | I launched ssh-agent and then my script |
| 20:58.12 | alexIdoia | yigal: I try |
| 20:58.43 | et | alexIdoia: how did you start ssh-agent? |
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| 20:58.57 | alexIdoia | et typing it |
| 20:58.59 | NicNac | PeterS: I get this when I do that command: http://pastebin.com/m5e16ec75 |
| 20:59.04 | peterS | alexIdoia: ssh looks at environment variables to find ssh-agent. so the correct environment variables have to propagate. if you run ssh-agent in your shell, you have to set the variables it prints, possibly just by doing eval $(ssh-agent) |
| 20:59.06 | alexIdoia | yigal: Could not open a connection to your authentication agent. |
| 20:59.13 | adv3cate | Today I received a BADSIG for ftp.us.debian.org while updating. Is this known? |
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| 20:59.27 | peterS | NicNac: well that's not the problem then, it shows that gpgv is installed |
| 20:59.34 | et | alexIdoia: if you just type "ssh-agent" in your shell, that won't set the neccessary env vars (it can't) |
| 20:59.37 | yigal | adv3cate: i had a problem yesterday |
| 20:59.51 | alexIdoia | et what should I do |
| 21:00.00 | alexIdoia | peterS: I get the pid but then what ? |
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| 21:00.09 | adv3cate | yigal: have you seen anything on mailing lists about it? |
| 21:00.12 | geaaru | hi at all, i just installed a new debian system with deboot (etch) from knoppix live cd.... but i problem on use su from a normal user |
| 21:00.13 | et | so either you do 'ssh-agent yourprogram', or what peterS said. |
| 21:00.16 | wintix | alexIdoia: for weaker security, you could just create an ssh key without a passphrase. |
| 21:00.19 | peterS | alexIdoia: it should work now then |
| 21:00.21 | yigal | adv3cate: no :( |
| 21:00.21 | geaaru | su: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info. |
| 21:00.21 | geaaru | Sorry. |
| 21:00.31 | peterS | alexIdoia: you have to use ssh-add to add passphrases to the agent |
| 21:00.36 | geaaru | thanks in advance for any reply |
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| 21:00.48 | adv3cate | yigal: thank you. |
| 21:00.53 | alexIdoia | ok peterS and even if I logout ? the cron will still work ? |
| 21:01.08 | yigal | adv3cate: tell me if you find anything :) |
| 21:01.18 | peterS | alexIdoia: no, cron does not inherit settings from your shell. 'at' would work though. |
| 21:01.56 | alexIdoia | peterS: peterS ok so how can I do this from scratch then |
| 21:01.59 | peterS | alexIdoia: if you have to run ssh from a cron job, I suggest using a key without a passphrase, and using that key only for that one connection (using ~/.ssh/config or -o IdentityFile=foo) |
| 21:02.03 | adv3cate | yigal: if nothing else I'll put a note on one or two of the mailing lists and see if there's a bite. Most likely it'll be fixed, on its own, within a day or two. |
| 21:02.28 | yigal | alexIdoia: you also tell bash to execute the commands with your shell from cron this could work |
| 21:03.14 | alexIdoia | peterS: so whan I generate the key I do not enter anypassphrase is that it ? I leave it blank ? |
| 21:03.18 | peterS | yes |
| 21:03.25 | rogier | Does anybody here have ipp2p working on etch ? |
| 21:04.26 | themill | !tell rogier about anyone |
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| 21:05.32 | NicNac | can anyone help me I'm really stuck here |
| 21:06.16 | yigal | NicNac: what is the prob? |
| 21:06.29 | NicNac | Im having problems when I use apt-get update |
| 21:06.53 | NicNac | http://pastebin.com/m5a920bd9 |
| 21:07.01 | NicNac | Yigal: you have any ideas? |
| 21:07.10 | rogier | themill, ok thanks. rephrasing my question: I can't seem to find any debian package for ipp2p. I compiled it myslef but iptables won't recognise it. I'm looking for a tutorial or debian package. |
| 21:07.24 | themill | NicNac: is /var full? (look at the output of df) |
| 21:07.44 | NicNac | how do I check that themill? |
| 21:08.13 | themill | NicNac: what's the output of the command df? |
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| 21:08.29 | yigal | themill: it also depends on how he has partitioned his drive |
| 21:08.30 | NicNac | one sec |
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| 21:08.59 | NicNac | http://pastebin.com/m7df80248 |
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| 21:09.19 | themill | rogier: I can't help you with that, but can you describe what you have done (to the channel, not me). Perhaps a pastebin of some logs or output? |
| 21:09.48 | themill | yigal: the entire output of df shows us both the partitioning scheme and the free space |
| 21:09.56 | themill | NicNac: that's not the problem ;( |
| 21:10.02 | NicNac | oh dear |
| 21:10.14 | yigal | themill: /var may not be a seperate partition as shown in df |
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| 21:10.40 | NicNac | someone said it was something to do with /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:11.01 | themill | yigal: ? |
| 21:11.03 | peterS | yigal: so? if it isn't, you look at the / entry |
| 21:11.10 | yigal | themill: i agree your method works but it may not help in NicNac understanding the problem |
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| 21:11.34 | NicNac | doesnt take much mind :P |
| 21:11.38 | themill | yigal: that's why I'm just looking for th entire output |
| 21:11.41 | themill | !confuse NicNac |
| 21:11.41 | dpkg | Yes, those is my badger tomorrow, NicNac? breeches of the democracy of belarus with extra ham |
| 21:11.49 | themill | :) |
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| 21:12.00 | yigal | themill: that is funny :) |
| 21:12.10 | themill | NicNac: can you pastebin your sources.list? And perhaps the entire output of aptitude update |
| 21:12.21 | NicNac | ok sure |
| 21:13.00 | themill | NicNac: (you've probably done some of these already, but I've only just come online so I've not seen them) |
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| 21:13.20 | NicNac | np |
| 21:14.25 | rogier | themill, well, there is not much to show. See here: http://pastebin.com/d62d76965 |
| 21:14.33 | NicNac | themill: http://pastebin.com/m5fa7427c |
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| 21:15.10 | rogier | There's some warning while compiling, but the module loads without errors. Then still, iptables does not like it. |
| 21:15.19 | NicNac | I tagged the sources.list onto the end |
| 21:16.11 | yigal | NicNac: have your tried other sources, does this give you the same error? |
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| 21:16.54 | themill | NicNac: try using this line in your sources.list instead of ftp.uk: deb http://download.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 21:17.34 | themill | NicNac: just to try a different mirror to see if that clears the problem. ftp.uk is what I'm using so it *should* work :) |
| 21:17.53 | rogier | In addition to what is in de pastebin, I of course also copied the library libipt_ipp2p.so to /lib/iptables. |
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| 21:20.08 | angasule | how do I get aptitude to generate a list of downloads? I have debian in an offline box |
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| 21:21.08 | themill | angasule: apt-get has a --print-uris option and you can use -s to simulate.... is that what you're looking for? |
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| 21:21.48 | angasule | sounds like it, thanks, do you know if the base install of etch has the list of all available packages? otherwise it might be a problem |
| 21:22.04 | NicNac | themill: it is just stuck at 99% when I do apt-get update now |
| 21:22.17 | themill | NicNac: well.. that's at least a different error ;) |
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| 21:22.33 | snowbird | sound i nice |
| 21:22.39 | NicNac | wait it just timed out |
| 21:22.58 | yigal | NicNac: run it again - sources will sometimes do this |
| 21:23.28 | angasule | hmm, it obviously doesn't, since it doesn't show nmap |
| 21:23.29 | themill | rogier: what do you get for modinfo ipt_ipp2p |
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| 21:23.41 | angasule | :( how do I get a list of packages available on the repos? |
| 21:23.44 | snowbird | the mill howdy canda eh were eh? |
| 21:23.52 | angasule | and why on /earth/ doesn't it include it already? |
| 21:24.07 | NicNac | its still sticking at 99% is there any other mirror's I could try? |
| 21:24.23 | themill | angasule: there is no "default" install. It depends on what you choose in tasksel |
| 21:24.45 | themill | angasule: dpkg --get-selections will show everything that's currently installed |
| 21:25.04 | snowbird | the mill what you working on? |
| 21:25.08 | yigal | themill: is that any different than: dpkg -l ? |
| 21:25.11 | angasule | well, I tried not to choose anything :) |
| 21:25.49 | themill | yigal: yes, it's machine readable (--get-selections | --set selections) |
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| 21:26.19 | angasule | as a test run, I did: apt-cache search nmap, which returned no results, doesn't debian have nmap? |
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| 21:26.42 | themill | !info nmap etch |
| 21:26.45 | dpkg | nmap: (The Network Mapper), section net, is extra. Version: 4.11-1 (etch), Packaged size: 718 kB, Installed size: 2456 kB |
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| 21:27.28 | yigal | themill: nice its basically dpkg -l | sed 's/ii/installed/g' | awk '{print $2 $1}' have to remember that |
| 21:27.50 | themill | yigal: except it doesn't truncate package names. |
| 21:27.57 | themill | angasule: there are some nice aptitude search rules that can do it... can't remember what they are though ;) I'll look... |
| 21:28.11 | ACU01_ | I have few DVDs with data - in linux I get the file names garbled or with ~ in windows is OK - how can I fix this |
| 21:28.13 | themill | !tell yigal about reinstall |
| 21:28.15 | angasule | themill: my problem is I have an offline box, how do I get software in it? |
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| 21:28.31 | h3sp4wn | yigal: or just aptitude search \~i |
| 21:28.41 | angasule | themill: if it's not in its cache, it can't tell me the dependencies, etc, see the problem? |
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| 21:29.28 | rogier | output of modinfo ipt_ipp2p: http://pastebin.com/m7d56ad0a |
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| 21:29.34 | rogier | themill, thanks by the way |
| 21:29.43 | NicNac | I dont think it has anything to do with anything in my sources.list |
| 21:29.44 | yigal | h3sp4wn: i think dpkg --get-selections is a nice little feature, I was using that aptitude command now I save some work |
| 21:29.45 | ehtom | where's checkinstall? |
| 21:29.58 | themill | sid |
| 21:30.01 | yigal | ehtom: at the bottom of hell |
| 21:30.18 | ehtom | any particular reason? |
| 21:30.23 | ehtom | what's an alternative? |
| 21:30.49 | rogier | themill, there's just not much output giving an indication what the problem is. |
| 21:30.53 | yigal | ehtom: there are none - not really other than make your own or build with making a deb - but its sometimes really nasty installing stuff |
| 21:31.27 | rogier | I would also be happy with another suggestion on how to mark p2p traffic in shorewall. |
| 21:31.38 | themill | angasule: you can get a list of all packages you've installed since the original install from something like aptitude search '~i~n!~E' |
| 21:31.39 | h3sp4wn | rogier: what kernel version are you using ? |
| 21:31.56 | angasule | themill: I don't care about already installed packages |
| 21:31.58 | rogier | 2.6.18-4-686, on eth |
| 21:32.12 | rogier | err, I mean "etch" of course |
| 21:32.14 | h3sp4wn | aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' |
| 21:32.16 | angasule | themill: I want to install *new* packages, and I want to be able to search for *new* packages |
| 21:32.46 | h3sp4wn | I think its that |
| 21:32.52 | themill | angasule: i don't know how to do the offline box thing you're asking... never needed to do it and never come across tools to do it by accident. |
| 21:33.17 | themill | h3sp4wn: what does that do? |
| 21:33.40 | ehtom | yigal: ok... so can I just nab it from sid? |
| 21:33.52 | h3sp4wn | themill: all packages that are installed but non manually installed (i.e gets rid of the autoinstalled dependancies) |
| 21:34.00 | yigal | ehtom: sure, as far as I know |
| 21:34.05 | angasule | themill: thanks :( any place I might look? I can't even find proper search words, I keep finding ways of building an offline repo |
| 21:34.14 | ehtom | yigal: what's the best way to do this on debian? |
| 21:34.24 | themill | h3sp4wn: nice another one to remember.. . (I still think aptitude searches look like line noise) |
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| 21:34.40 | yigal | ehtom: probably just download it from net |
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| 21:34.47 | yigal | ehtom: install with dpkg |
| 21:34.58 | The | use ubuntu... |
| 21:35.06 | themill | !lart The |
| 21:35.48 | h3sp4wn | themill: The apt-cache regexp syntax is much worse |
| 21:36.07 | themill | NicNac: how are you going there? |
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| 21:36.19 | The | ubuntu is better software new |
| 21:36.43 | themill | The: please (a) stop speaking in yoda or reverse polish and (b) troll elsewhere. |
| 21:36.47 | DustyBin | i thought ubuntu was the advanced version of debian |
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| 21:37.09 | yigal | DustyBin: nice way to start a flame war :) |
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| 21:37.11 | Ronin | DustyBin: heh not advanced version, just a fork off debian |
| 21:37.22 | xand | nah, it's the kids' version |
| 21:37.32 | MISmacNewb | how would i be able to archive individiual folders in one folder to its own archive ? |
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| 21:37.58 | The | im very italian lamers |
| 21:37.58 | DustyBin | MISmacNewb: could you repeat that in english please |
| 21:38.07 | themill | MISmacNewb: for i in *; do tar jcvf $i.tar.bz2 $i; done |
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| 21:38.48 | The | i just ddos |
| 21:39.04 | themill | MISmacNewb: (making some assumptions about what you have there... like no files in the dir, only dirs, and no dirs with spaces in their names....) |
| 21:39.15 | MISmacNewb | well, some files and folders |
| 21:39.47 | MISmacNewb | i have one folder with multiple sub folders, and other files and folders in that, i want to make individual archive from the sub folders in the main one |
| 21:39.48 | snowbird | thee is comand to open up list of browsers and u can edit em |
| 21:39.57 | snowbird | i forget thee comand |
| 21:40.03 | xand | huh? |
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| 21:40.39 | MISmacNewb | themill: that works ? |
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| 21:42.11 | snowbird | gopt it |
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| 21:42.15 | snowbird | got it |
| 21:42.54 | themill | MISmacNewb: in your base dir, do you have a mixture of files and dirs or just dirs? |
| 21:44.20 | rogier | ahuman, there seems to be an 'ITP" bug filed for ipp2p, but now idle for a while: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=408258 |
| 21:44.40 | MISmacNewb | actualy there is many folder and few files in the main dir |
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| 21:44.47 | snowbird | got not book here |
| 21:44.51 | h3sp4wn | rogier: It needs a kernel patch |
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| 21:44.57 | snowbird | cut and paste dosent work |
| 21:44.59 | MISmacNewb | just trying to get the folders archives |
| 21:45.05 | MISmacNewb | archived |
| 21:45.06 | h3sp4wn | rogier: doubtful whether that would be added |
| 21:45.14 | themill | MISmacNewb: then something like this would work for you http://pastebin.com/m3eb8c85f |
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| 21:45.44 | jerbear | i'm running ubuntu feisty and i'm wondering what the 'backup' user is for? is this something that's in debian, as well? |
| 21:45.59 | themill | MISmacNewb: I suggest you do a little reading up on shell scripting so that you understand what the script does and how to unbreak it if needed. |
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| 21:46.13 | dragonheart | jerbear: yes |
| 21:46.17 | themill | jerbear: never heard of it. that sounds like another ubuntu special |
| 21:46.21 | spx2 | may i have top display values in a human-readable way ? |
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| 21:46.32 | h3sp4wn | rogier: actually l7-filter was the more invasive one I was thinking of |
| 21:46.33 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.35 | rogier | h3sp4wn, it actually is kernel module, not a patch. At least that's what it's like when I compile it myself. |
| 21:46.36 | MISmacNewb | themill: okay, ill look into it before running it, seems like it will work fine.. |
| 21:46.41 | MISmacNewb | : thanks |
| 21:46.44 | MISmacNewb | themill |
| 21:46.44 | themill | np |
| 21:46.56 | rogier | Yes indeed, l7-filter is a patch to the kernel. |
| 21:47.00 | jerbear | i wanted to create a backup user for my system backups, only to discover that it already existed.. i wonder if it's safe to use that one? |
| 21:47.07 | TiMiDo | Hey every time i've start debian, some graphic login comes up |
| 21:47.12 | TiMiDo | how do i fixed this? |
| 21:47.15 | themill | jerbear: under ubuntu? |
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| 21:47.24 | snowbird | nvida splash screen? |
| 21:47.25 | jerbear | themill: yes |
| 21:47.26 | themill | !htfswk |
| 21:47.26 | dpkg | How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 21:47.29 | adv3cate | other than initrd/initramfs in "general setup", is there anything else (cramfs, romfs, or others) which I need for the initrd? |
| 21:47.50 | rogier | And, from the status page of l7-filters, I learn that for instance bittorrent detection is not yet solid, so it doesn't seem to be a good alternative to ipp2p. |
| 21:47.52 | h3sp4wn | rogier: did you rebuild iptables as well ? |
| 21:48.04 | themill | jerbear: sorry.. can't help you there.... ubuntu != debian and we have no idea what they do with these special users they create. |
| 21:48.06 | h3sp4wn | rogier: l7 filter is not good if you can avoid it |
| 21:48.22 | spx2 | ??????????? |
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| 21:48.26 | rogier | h3sp4wn, no, should I ? Didn't see it in any instruction. But I can try. |
| 21:48.35 | spx2 | ?!????!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?! |
| 21:48.38 | LLcoolM | hi, how can i remove a packet without removing things that depend on it? |
| 21:48.41 | jerbear | themill: no problem, i just thought it might be a carryover from debian... no one in the ubuntu room seems to know anything about it |
| 21:48.48 | LLcoolM | i want to reinstall a defective package |
| 21:48.49 | themill | what sort of format do you want? aren't they human readable already? or am I just weird ;) |
| 21:48.58 | themill | spx2: ^^ |
| 21:49.00 | spx2 | themill: megabytes |
| 21:49.04 | h3sp4wn | rogier: I use it (but with openwrt) and the ipp2p is in 2 parts - one is a patch for iptables the other a kernel patch (simple module) |
| 21:49.16 | spx2 | themill: sorry i did not see your reply earlier |
| 21:49.18 | Bogus8 | how do you make an mem stick pro duo card recognize that you deleted some stuff from it? |
| 21:49.24 | themill | spx2: for process memory usage? |
| 21:49.33 | spx2 | themill: yes yes |
| 21:49.38 | Bogus8 | I deleted about a gig frm the card and even unmounted it and remounted it and still says only 48mb free |
| 21:49.43 | themill | spx2: it already does.... |
| 21:49.55 | spx2 | themill: right ... |
| 21:50.02 | xand | lay off the punctuation |
| 21:50.21 | spx2 | themill: i guess i'll have to resort to some other more graphical tool |
| 21:50.27 | spx2 | themill: like gkrellm or something |
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| 21:50.37 | rogier | h3sp4wn, yes, well in the instructions it says, you can just copy the ipp2p module to the /lib/iptables module, so it's not a source code patch. |
| 21:50.41 | spx2 | themill: but teh problem is i need to know how much each process is consuming |
| 21:51.33 | diafic_ | sreep nao |
| 21:51.34 | themill | spx2: I'm not sure what you want other than the default e.g. top tells me that firefox-bin is using 367m 198m 21m etc.... isn't that already what you're wanting? |
| 21:51.58 | JONY | unchiu esti online ? |
| 21:52.03 | spx2 | themill: what column , what unit of measure is it using ? |
| 21:52.03 | rogier | Well thanks, for helping h3sp4wn and themill. I will continue with this later. I'm called away. |
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| 21:53.32 | themill | spx2: this is what i see when I look at top... http://pastebin.ca/654901 |
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| 22:04.00 | snowbird | antgel |
| 22:04.21 | themill | spx2: btw if you want a scripted summary of the memory usage, then this might be useful to you (customise to taste): ps -Ao pid,tt,user,fname,size | sort -n -k5 |
| 22:05.08 | spx2 | themill: lemme see |
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| 22:06.15 | spx2 | themill: very nice :) thank you . but i need them in megabytes the values |
| 22:07.04 | themill | spx2: so divide by 1024 ;) |
| 22:07.50 | themill | spx2: add this to the end: | awk '{print $4, $5/1024}' |
| 22:08.11 | spx2 | themill: :) thanks allot . i've rarely seen people like you very nice in here :) |
| 22:08.30 | themill | spx2: hey,... we're always nice in here! |
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| 22:09.15 | spx2 | themill: then i must've met only the least nicer of you :) |
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| 22:09.20 | syntux | guys, when using netstat, how can I know which app is using X or Y port? |
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| 22:09.50 | themill | syntux: netstat -np |
| 22:10.19 | themill | spx2: *grin* |
| 22:11.11 | antgel | trying to install amd64 into a chroot with debootstrap --arch amd64 etch /mnt http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian. fails with chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error. sure enough i can't chroot. is this supported? should be according to https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292010 |
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| 22:13.30 | cr3 | in a bourne shell script, how can I use a template file containing shell variables to be interpolated into another file? |
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| 22:13.36 | jsubl2 | antgel: you cant install a 64bit system when booted with a 32bit kernel |
| 22:13.51 | themill | cr3: either "source filename" or ". filename" |
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| 22:14.11 | antgel | jsubl2: so the howto's wrong, or i've lost the plot? :) |
| 22:14.36 | jsubl2 | antgel: or i could be wrong.. hows about a url for the howto you are following |
| 22:14.43 | antgel | jsubl2: ^^ |
| 22:14.53 | jsubl2 | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/534 |
| 22:14.56 | cr3 | themill: the template file contains shell variables but it's not a shell script. for example, the file would contain: my name is $name |
| 22:15.09 | jsubl2 | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64?highlight=%28amd64%29 |
| 22:15.14 | cr3 | themill: so, I'd like to use the $name variable in the shell script to generate another file containing: my name is cr3 |
| 22:15.17 | jsubl2 | above a couple of nice links |
| 22:15.56 | themill | cr3: ugh. Can the template file contain TEXT="my name is $name" ? |
| 22:16.09 | antgel | jsubl2: i missed "Before you start bootstrapping the pure64 port into a chroot, make sure you are already running a 64bit kernel..." :) |
| 22:16.26 | cr3 | themill: preferably not, it would be nice if the template didn't have to reflect implementation details that it's being called from a shell script |
| 22:16.31 | peterS | cr3: if you don't mind unsafe behavior (if the template file has malicious code in it), you can do things like: var=$(cat templatefile); eval var="$var" |
| 22:16.33 | pingouin_ | is it a good idea, when building a kernel (2.6.22.1), to put the option in the kernel : CONFIG_IRQBALANCE, =y ? or better to leave it =n ? |
| 22:16.50 | cr3 | peterS: it can be assumed that the template file is safe indeed |
| 22:16.55 | peterS | pingouin_: debian kernels use =y |
| 22:17.09 | peterS | cr3: well, play with eval in expressions like I quoted. the exact syntax might take a bit of fiddling |
| 22:17.32 | pingouin_ | peterS: ok.thanks for the information |
| 22:17.49 | jsubl2 | antgel: yeah ... glad you found it |
| 22:17.50 | peterS | pingouin_: note, you would know this already if you 'grep IRQBALANCE /boot/config-*' (: |
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| 22:19.09 | cr3 | peterS: yeah, I think I need to put the eval statement in single quotes: eval 'var="$var"' |
| 22:19.43 | cr3 | peterS: how can I output the content of $var without the lines being concatenated together? echo seems to remove all linefeeds |
| 22:20.02 | themill | cr3: you'll need to play with $IFS |
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| 22:20.12 | pingouin_ | peterS: thanks for pointing my ignorance ;) |
| 22:20.23 | themill | cr3: (before you read in the file) |
| 22:20.31 | peterS | pingouin_: well, I'm just saying - if you have the same question about other configuration questions, that's where your answer is |
| 22:20.34 | cr3 | themill: or use a here document: cat <<EOF; $var; EOF |
| 22:20.45 | cr3 | themill: I just thought about that and it seems to work |
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| 22:21.07 | cr3 | themill: the problem seemed to be when outputing the file rather than inputing |
| 22:21.12 | themill | cr3: hey... people on #debian answering their own questions ... I like it! |
| 22:21.30 | JONY | da este cineva din romania pe aici?:) |
| 22:22.09 | cr3 | themill: that'd be an awesome channel where everyone just asks and answers their own questions. seriously, something could be learned by other people like that |
| 22:22.19 | pingouin_ | peterS: yeah, i was jocking, thanks for the clue, that'll help to know the default Debian configuration, not if i really have to do it or not....i mean, i see this kirqd running, is it usefull, or not... ? i dont really know about and the <help> in the kernel configuration, is not very...helpfull.. |
| 22:22.26 | cr3 | themill: I still need to work on the eval statement though, the $name is not being interpolated in my template file |
| 22:22.50 | peterS | pingouin_: I think irq balancing only affects you if you run multiple CPUs, especially if you run lots of CPUs in parallel |
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| 22:23.38 | pingouin_ | peterS: i just run a poor core2duo, far away from lots of cpus in parallel |
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| 22:23.52 | richcollins | Can someone please tell me why this doesn't work? |
| 22:23.53 | richcollins | sudo su myuser -c "MYENV1=value1 MYENV2=value2 mycommand" |
| 22:24.13 | peterS | richcollins: what does it do instead of working? |
| 22:24.26 | richcollins | peterS, It tries to run MYENV2=value2 as the command |
| 22:24.47 | themill | cr3: that will be the quoting of the eval. |
| 22:24.47 | stoned | peterS: hiowdy |
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| 22:24.57 | peterS | richcollins: oh - right - I remember now. it runs -c commands directly rather than via a shell. you have to say su -c sh -c '.....' or something |
| 22:25.11 | richcollins | hrm maybe --preserve-environment will work as well |
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| 22:25.16 | ehtom | I want to install rsbac, but since no debian packages are available, I need to patch the kernel & install the userspace packages myself. however patch -p1 doesn't correctly work with linux-sources from debian. should I just use the original sources from kernel.org or will I break something? |
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| 22:25.17 | peterS | Nyle. |
| 22:25.27 | richcollins | peterS, Thanks I will try that |
| 22:25.32 | stoned | I hate that nyle guy man |
| 22:25.33 | stoned | ;) |
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| 22:25.37 | peterS | yeah me too |
| 22:25.40 | stoned | lol |
| 22:25.48 | slump | good images on nasa tv :D |
| 22:26.31 | richcollins | peterS, That just starts an sh shell |
| 22:26.56 | peterS | richcollins: maybe it needs to be quoted. su -c 'sh -c "MYVAR=...."' then |
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| 22:27.09 | peterS | I always forget the quoting rules for su and xterm, which are opposite each other |
| 22:28.05 | larsl | Have the signing keys for Testing changed in the last few weeks? |
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| 22:31.12 | simonrvn | richcollins: you need to run that as a subshell command, otherwise the env vars won't get parsed |
| 22:32.02 | sparr | i cat'd a binary file, now my terminal is garbled. how can i fix that? |
| 22:32.13 | richcollins | simonrvn, hrm it appears to be working |
| 22:32.19 | richcollins | let me see |
| 22:33.16 | stoned | hey simonrvn |
| 22:33.18 | themill | sparr: the command is reset |
| 22:33.27 | sparr | thanks |
| 22:33.34 | themill | sparr: sometimes Ctrl+L fixes things too |
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| 22:34.30 | simonrvn | stoned: hi |
| 22:34.36 | snowbird | hey stone hey simonrvn |
| 22:34.43 | simonrvn | hi snowbird |
| 22:35.02 | snowbird | whats up |
| 22:35.12 | simonrvn | the sky |
| 22:35.57 | simonrvn | sparr: cat -v is safer when doing that sort of thing |
| 22:36.02 | snowbird | simonrvn: you need a project |
| 22:36.11 | simonrvn | i have too many already |
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| 22:36.35 | snowbird | oh |
| 22:37.17 | ssdd | hi, what packages do i need to install on a amd64 bit system to be able to run 32 bit applications? |
| 22:37.41 | neofpo | ia32-libs |
| 22:37.45 | neofpo | something like that |
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| 22:38.40 | snowbird | simonrvn: do u got music file u could send me |
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| 22:39.08 | ssdd | neofpo: thanks |
| 22:39.15 | simonrvn | wth? |
| 22:39.39 | snowbird | any one |
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| 22:41.19 | neofpo | allow me to make a n00b question: I am linux / *BSD guru, but n00b with IRC. How do u guys reply to my messages with neofpo: at the beginning? By hand? Also, I am using xchat-gnome, and when someone sends a neofpo:, the persons name gets yellow (quite useful). |
| 22:42.18 | themill | neofpo: start typing the first few characters then hit tab in most irc clients. Highlighting lines with your nick in it is pretty standard too. |
| 22:42.40 | neofpo | themill: it works! |
| 22:42.44 | themill | neofpo: in some clients, if you hit tab at the start of the line, it will insert the last nick that you used automatically. |
| 22:42.47 | neofpo | themill: cool |
| 22:42.50 | themill | neofpo: :) |
| 22:43.00 | neofpo | themill: quite useful. |
| 22:43.10 | neofpo | what irc clients are good? |
| 22:43.10 | stoned | 15 more minutes |
| 22:43.16 | stoned | irssi > * |
| 22:43.20 | stoned | period. |
| 22:43.57 | themill | neofpo: I'm using konversation, but that's because I'm a sucker for anything under kde. |
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| 22:45.15 | ssdd | anyone know how i can fool an orcale client install to thing that debian is actually redhat |
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| 22:45.36 | spx2 | is there another lightweight browser except for dillo but more nice-looking fonts |
| 22:45.40 | spx2 | dillo has all fonts italic |
| 22:45.45 | spx2 | and it fucks up my eyes |
| 22:45.45 | petemc | ssdd: there should be oracle client debs |
| 22:45.51 | spx2 | ? |
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| 22:46.02 | ssdd | petemc: not for the full client |
| 22:46.38 | neofpo | ssdd: AHAHAH. Oracle is HELL to get working... I lost a few days a while ago, that's because I am expert |
| 22:46.55 | neofpo | spx2: links2? |
| 22:47.09 | ssdd | neofpo: so did u ever get it working? |
| 22:47.26 | neofpo | yes |
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| 22:47.50 | debint | dillo shoeld be patched with the tabs patch and put into the rep |
| 22:47.56 | neofpo | ssdd: but I had to ignore most of the "biggest installation manual in history" and solve things myself |
| 22:48.10 | spx2 | neofpo: hmm lemme see |
| 22:48.51 | neofpo | spx2: I guess it is links2 who has a sort of half text / half graphic interface. Can even run on a kernel framebuffer |
| 22:48.56 | ssdd | neofpo: so i take it u did not use the install script |
| 22:49.02 | debint | dillo without tabs is just not very fine to work with |
| 22:49.14 | spx2 | neofpo: dillo can too .. but it kind of sucks at displaying stuff |
| 22:49.26 | spx2 | debint: i didnt even knew it had tabs |
| 22:49.31 | spx2 | debint: also fonts are pretty fucked up |
| 22:49.34 | debint | there is a patch for that |
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| 22:49.41 | debint | normal dillo does not have tabs |
| 22:49.47 | neofpo | spx2: dillo IS for mobile limited devices |
| 22:49.59 | babali | Hi do you know a nice soft for rss feed that does not depends on kde/gnome |
| 22:50.01 | spx2 | neofpo: i'll get a pda soon |
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| 22:50.10 | spx2 | babali: liferea |
| 22:50.18 | spx2 | babali: but i would use thunderbird |
| 22:50.20 | babali | spx2, thanks ;-) |
| 22:50.35 | wietz0r | I forgot to install the basesystem while installing, now I don't have commands like "less" and "sed" what do I instsall to fix this ? |
| 22:50.45 | wietz0r | gnu-utils ? |
| 22:50.46 | babali | spx2, mmm thunderbird doen'st use system tray and consumes a lot of resources :( |
| 22:51.20 | h3sp4wn | wietz0r: aptitude install less sed |
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| 22:51.31 | neofpo | babali: I know: google reader |
| 22:51.37 | neofpo | babali: it is PERFECT |
| 22:51.38 | wietz0r | h3sp4wn: I want all the programs in one go |
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| 22:51.50 | babali | neofpo, it's a webpage ? |
| 22:52.05 | babali | neofpo, or an x11 app ? |
| 22:52.09 | spx2 | neofpo: seems links2 does not feature images |
| 22:52.09 | neofpo | babali: yes it is. reader.google.com |
| 22:52.14 | h3sp4wn | wietz0r: there is no all the programs |
| 22:52.17 | themill | wietz0r: you can't really forget to install the base system... what did you do? |
| 22:52.21 | neofpo | babali: I read almost 80 feeds a day in no more than 15min |
| 22:52.29 | h3sp4wn | wietz0r: other than running tasksel |
| 22:52.33 | babali | neofpo, ok thanks ;-) |
| 22:52.34 | neofpo | spx2: yes it does |
| 22:52.43 | h3sp4wn | (I never had less by default) |
| 22:52.50 | spx2 | neofpo: how do i access this feature ? |
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| 22:53.03 | neofpo | spx2: but you must give links2 -x or something like that. It even has basic javascript support |
| 22:53.14 | wietz0r | themill: I didn't select anything from tasksel while installing. |
| 22:53.20 | debint | is there a way to get into a custom pakcage selection dialog with the net install disk? |
| 22:53.25 | neofpo | spx2: links2 -g I believe |
| 22:53.42 | themill | wietz0r: base system what is installed if you don't select anything (and even if you do, in fact) |
| 22:54.04 | themill | wietz0r: do you want to have another go at selecting something from tasksel? |
| 22:54.17 | neofpo | themill: Debian base system is way out of what people except... (the text only one) |
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| 22:54.40 | S4nD3r | When I tried to format a DVDRW Igot this error |
| 22:55.07 | themill | neofpo: yep... it's pretty much just the minimum that is required to boot and bring up a network interface. |
| 22:55.07 | Kevin` | S4nD3r dvd+rw or dvd-rw |
| 22:55.07 | S4nD3r | * BD/DVD±RW/-RAM format utility by <appro@fy.chalmers.se>, version 7.0. |
| 22:55.07 | S4nD3r | :-( mounted media doesn't appear to be DVD±RW, DVD-RAM or Blu-ray |
| 22:55.09 | themill | !paste |
| 22:55.09 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 22:55.19 | S4nD3r | DVD+RW |
| 22:55.30 | wietz0r | themill: I know what the base-system is, I'm just missing utils I've always had with default installs |
| 22:55.34 | wietz0r | themill: Like less |
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| 22:55.39 | spx2 | neofpo: THANK YOU ALLOT !! ITS ABSOLUTELY GREAT :) |
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| 22:55.46 | S4nD3r | Kevin`, I was using gnomebacker |
| 22:55.47 | Kevin` | well, that's odd then. |
| 22:55.47 | Kevin` | your drive supports w? |
| 22:55.52 | Kevin` | rw* |
| 22:55.53 | spx2 | neofpo: who made this extraordinary software ? |
| 22:55.55 | [gtime]silent | I'm trying to run a .bin with "./hldsupdatetool". I have all permissions and ownership settled... but I get "-bash: ./hldsupdatetool.bin: Permission denied |
| 22:56.16 | wietz0r | themill: http://blog.thedebianuser.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/screenshot-qemu-46.png |
| 22:56.20 | wietz0r | I didn't select any of those |
| 22:56.22 | [gtime]silent | I have only the base system install, do I need more packages? |
| 22:56.36 | S4nD3r | Ive never recorded in linux |
| 22:56.48 | themill | wietz0r: with other etch installs or in comparison to sarge or ubuntu or rhel or something? |
| 22:56.48 | S4nD3r | I used that in my xp when I used before |
| 22:57.01 | Kevin` | S4nD3r try basic recording of an image and erasing the disk first, to see if that works. |
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| 22:57.21 | S4nD3r | I tried to format, I didnt get |
| 22:57.28 | Kevin` | don't format it |
| 22:57.30 | Kevin` | just burn to it |
| 22:57.31 | Kevin` | I mean |
| 22:57.39 | wietz0r | themill: etch installs |
| 22:58.04 | wietz0r | themill: Anyhow, I'll just install them as I go |
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| 22:58.06 | wietz0r | thanks anyhow |
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| 22:58.31 | S4nD3r | :-( /dev/hdb: media is not recognized as recordable DVD: 0 |
| 22:58.35 | wad | Hi, quick question: How do I tell if my ethernet connection is gigabit? I did it before, but I don't remember the command. |
| 22:58.38 | S4nD3r | When I tried to record |
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| 22:58.47 | [gtime]silent | wad, try ifconfig |
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| 22:59.06 | Kevin` | S4nD3r your sure hdb is the correct device? |
| 22:59.07 | neofpo | spx2: links2? it is great |
| 22:59.11 | themill | wietz0r: yes... or rerun tasksel to pick up some more things ;) less isn't in the base install. |
| 22:59.14 | wad | did that..... didn't seem to help. There was a different command, I seem to remember. I would have remembered if it were ifconfig. |
| 22:59.19 | Kevin` | S4nD3r try dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/hdb |
| 22:59.45 | S4nD3r | INQUIRY: [HL-DT-ST][DVD-RAM GSA-H20N][1.02] |
| 22:59.49 | S4nD3r | GET [CURRENT] CONFIGURATION: |
| 22:59.51 | S4nD3r | :-( no media mounted, exiting... |
| 22:59.52 | babali | neofpo, google reader is really good ;-) |
| 23:00.00 | babali | neofpo, thanks ;-) |
| 23:00.03 | Kevin` | S4nD3r physically reload the disc and try again |
| 23:00.10 | [gtime]silent | wad, ethtool came up on google |
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| 23:00.23 | [gtime]silent | try apt-get install ethtool and man ethtool |
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| 23:00.31 | snowbird | whats the comand in shell to get to desk top |
| 23:00.31 | Kevin` | S4nD3r you have used dvd+rw discs with this drive before, yes? |
| 23:00.37 | wad | ethtool, that was it! I just found that in my command history. |
| 23:00.42 | S4nD3r | sure |
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| 23:01.05 | themill | snowbird: startx ? |
| 23:01.14 | S4nD3r | I repeated |
| 23:01.20 | S4nD3r | nothing different |
| 23:01.24 | snowbird | in su the mill |
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| 23:01.36 | neofpo | babali: google reader is GOLD |
| 23:01.59 | snowbird | i want to go to desk top to file there |
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| 23:02.18 | snowbird | cd someting i think |
| 23:02.21 | Kevin` | S4nD3r not really sure, that's odd. does it show any information when you insert an already-burned dvd or cd? |
| 23:02.39 | themill | snowbird: ahhh cd ~/Desktop |
| 23:02.46 | snowbird | ty |
| 23:02.55 | themill | snowbird: or cd /home/username/Desktop |
| 23:02.59 | S4nD3r | let me see.. I have here a DVD -R |
| 23:03.10 | S4nD3r | already burned |
| 23:03.47 | S4nD3r | dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/hdb returns the same |
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| 23:05.04 | enyc | Hrrm.. Im not familiar with policies in this respect... I happen to think that the "pdns-recursor" package should start with the service running as a not-root-user , just like the "nsd" package does by default... |
| 23:05.30 | enyc | should this be created as a wishlist entry somewhere? etc... |
| 23:06.04 | snowbird | the mill say no file that way i cut and pasted |
| 23:06.28 | enyc | (nb: pdns-recursor is a recursive dns service, which is designed to be able to run as a non-root-user with option in config etc.) -- its just set to rut as root by default [!!] |
| 23:06.39 | snowbird | need too be user not root stuped me |
| 23:10.40 | snowbird | ok the mill u here? |
| 23:11.41 | JeffH | anyone running courier-imap seen this error in their logs. 'imapd: couriertls: read: Connection reset by peer' Any idea what's happening? |
| 23:12.17 | neofpo | JeffH: try increasing the debugging level |
| 23:12.39 | JeffH | neofpo: thanks.. I'll research how to do that. |
| 23:13.15 | enyc | JeffH: sounds like somebody connected to SSL port but then disconnected again |
| 23:13.20 | neofpo | JeffH: I have used curier without IMAP only |
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| 23:13.48 | JeffH | enyc: yeah.. that's what I gather.. but I don't know why that's happening. |
| 23:13.49 | enyc | JeffH: maybe a client that doesnt like SSL cert... or something scanning/connecting to ports but not communicating? |
| 23:14.01 | enyc | JeffH: do you get note of the client IP? |
| 23:14.13 | enyc | JeffH: is it legitimate clients... random rubbish... ? |
| 23:14.19 | JeffH | enyc: I'm the only one that uses this imap server. |
| 23:14.47 | enyc | JeffH: well.. do the errors only appear when you are connecting? |
| 23:14.53 | enyc | JeffH: or other times too? |
| 23:15.04 | JeffH | it appears at other times too. |
| 23:15.12 | enyc | JeffH: okay... |
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| 23:15.31 | enyc | JeffH: _can_ any other computer/sources connect to your IMAP / imap-ssl ports ? |
| 23:15.38 | JeffH | I don't see any ill effects from it.. I'm just curious. |
| 23:15.45 | enyc | JeffH: i.e. is it reachable over the internet etc.? |
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| 23:16.05 | JeffH | enyc: ooh.. that's a good point.. it is.. maybe someone is just probing. |
| 23:16.05 | ok | the mill |
| 23:16.12 | ok | i frooze up |
| 23:16.42 | enyc | JeffH: its very likely... imagine trying to logon to common user/passwords... etc... or just seeing what message on any port... |
| 23:17.24 | themill | ls |
| 23:17.31 | ok | what |
| 23:17.35 | themill | bah! |
| 23:17.36 | JeffH | nod. I hadn't even considered that it is exposed to the internet. |
| 23:17.56 | wad | So, according to ethtool, eth0 supports gigabit, but the current connection speed is 10Mbps! |
| 23:17.59 | wad | Egads! |
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| 23:18.41 | enyc | JeffH: ;-) -- try connecting to imap-ssl port (993 normally i think) and then ctrl-] and 'quit' etc. -- see what goes in log then |
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| 23:19.20 | enyc | JeffH: err.. i mean with 'telnet' command that is |
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| 23:19.56 | wad | No wonder my file transfer was so slow the other day. |
| 23:20.30 | JeffH | enyc: telnet host 993 then ^] produces 'imapd-ssl: Unexpected SSL connection shutdown |
| 23:20.59 | neofpo | JeffH: telnet to a ssl listening port will always do that |
| 23:22.06 | Seven_Six_Two | is there a firewall that may have installed itself during my webserver's update? It uses stable. For some reason, I can now only access my web pages from the internet, or using the ip address. I've googled, and also asked in the #apache channel. All they can suggest is a firewall or selinux |
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| 23:23.13 | JeffH | once connected to imapd what's the command to enable tls? |
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| 23:27.05 | simonrvn | STARTTLS |
| 23:27.37 | neofpo | what do u guys recommend me for a desktop? Debian has way too old software (but is rock solid, excelent for servers). Ubuntu is up to date but full of bugs... |
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| 23:27.50 | neofpo | I am getting fedora now to have a look |
| 23:28.00 | joshua__ | the mill waht iam trying to do |
| 23:28.25 | simonrvn | neofpo: lenny |
| 23:28.45 | joshua__ | simonrvn, could u give short hand |
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| 23:29.08 | joshua__ | let me grab my nick |
| 23:29.21 | simonrvn | neofpo: not full of bugs (less than sid), stable (as much as testing can get), and recent stuff. though i don't really see why etch is "too old" just yet, it was released in april IIRC... |
| 23:30.11 | neofpo | simonrvn: I switched from lenny to Ubuntu due to the better desktop software already packed offer |
| 23:30.33 | neofpo | simonrvn: and keeping debian testing up to date took me a lot of time... |
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| 23:30.52 | simonrvn | aptitude ;) |
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| 23:31.08 | neofpo | simonrvn: what I need is something OpenBSD like (which is solid rock as Debian) but with regular releases, focused on desktops |
| 23:31.10 | snowbird | ok i have simple job need a helper |
| 23:31.12 | JeffH | just did a port scan of my machine and didn't get the message 'imapd: couriertls: read: Connection reset by peer' I dunno what's causing that. |
| 23:31.15 | snowbird | the mil was here |
| 23:31.22 | simonrvn | when i got to update my sid, it takes me about 0.5 hour, all told |
| 23:31.55 | snowbird | simonrvn: i have tar ball on desk top can u help me open it in shell |
| 23:32.15 | neofpo | simonrvn: not that time... I mean, new software, new configurations, new interface, new bugs... |
| 23:32.22 | simonrvn | !tell snowbird -about tar |
| 23:32.25 | simonrvn | !tell snowbird -about ask |
| 23:32.41 | neofpo | simonrvn: tar jxf file.tar.bz2 / tar zxf file.tar.gz |
| 23:33.13 | snowbird | i need to get to my desk top in shell once i have located file in cmd line |
| 23:33.15 | simonrvn | i know how neofpo ;) |
| 23:33.17 | snowbird | i can do rest |
| 23:33.36 | simonrvn | snowbird: people already told you how to cd to it |
| 23:33.40 | abrotman | wtf |
| 23:33.41 | neofpo | simonrvn: cd ~/Desktop ? |
| 23:33.55 | snowbird | right |
| 23:34.29 | MatBoy | abrotman, did you fix your horde problem ? |
| 23:34.43 | abrotman | MatBoy: in the alpha version .. no .. in the debian packages .. no |
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| 23:35.06 | MatBoy | abrotman, did you made a bugreport about it ? mailinglist ? |
| 23:35.10 | simonrvn | when it works, horde is nice... when it works |
| 23:35.25 | abrotman | MatBoy: it's an alpha version |
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| 23:35.40 | snowbird | cd-desktop then what my name? |
| 23:35.56 | MatBoy | abrotman, so ? that defenitly needs bugreports ! |
| 23:36.11 | simonrvn | snowbird: no exactly what people told you |
| 23:36.13 | abrotman | MatBoy: it should be *really* obvious to anyone that tries to configure it |
| 23:36.24 | simonrvn | cd ~/Desktop |
| 23:36.40 | snowbird | right i did cd-desk top |
| 23:36.41 | MatBoy | abrotman, :S |
| 23:37.09 | Kevin` | ok, wtf could be causing it. as you can imagine, this is horribly annoying: http://pastebin.ca/654972 |
| 23:37.21 | Kevin` | *this |
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| 23:38.38 | simonrvn | snowbird: just that "cd ~/Desktop" nothing more nothing less, don't edit that |
| 23:39.40 | abrotman | that's a tilde .. not a dash |
| 23:40.01 | simonrvn | ~~~~~~~~ not --------- |
| 23:40.27 | Kevin` | anyone have an idea about this? |
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| 23:40.27 | abrotman | Kevin`: time stamp is out of whack |
| 23:40.27 | abrotman | maybe |
| 23:40.27 | Kevin` | hm |
| 23:40.27 | abrotman | erm .. time |
| 23:40.27 | snowbird | ok simon |
| 23:40.28 | neofpo | snowbird: cd $HOME/Desktop |
| 23:40.28 | Kevin` | well, that's true, it says 1969 |
| 23:40.28 | snowbird | done that |
| 23:40.28 | Kevin` | but what do I do about it |
| 23:40.31 | abrotman | Kevin`: install ntp client ? |
| 23:40.38 | Kevin` | neither this system (it seems) or the target system will have an rtc |
| 23:40.39 | simonrvn | snowbird: now pwd should tell you where you are |
| 23:40.45 | simonrvn | pwd is a command |
| 23:40.49 | JeffH | How do you guys keep track of changes you make to your systems? |
| 23:40.50 | Kevin` | and I can't have it locking me out if the system can't sync to ntp |
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| 23:41.16 | snowbird | simon ok |
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| 23:41.23 | snowbird | its a tar ball install |
| 23:41.26 | simonrvn | snowbird: and in your shoes i'd go read a unix newbie docs. newdoc.sf.net is decent, so is rutebook |
| 23:41.35 | snowbird | i am at deck top |
| 23:41.43 | abrotman | snowbird: your native language is spanish right ? |
| 23:41.46 | neofpo | JeffH: at my last job, we had a dokuwiki, with a page for each server |
| 23:41.50 | snowbird | no i wonder waht name should go there |
| 23:42.01 | neofpo | JeffH: some use CVS or Subversion for that |
| 23:42.18 | simonrvn | !rutebook |
| 23:42.18 | dpkg | from memory, rutebook is an excellent book to learn about GNU/Linux - apt-get install rutebook. you'll need to add 'non-free' to your /etc/apt/sources.list. ask me about non-free |
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| 23:43.38 | neofpo | dpkg: also, linux how tos. I learned my base stuff there. |
| 23:43.51 | simonrvn | dpkg is a bot |
| 23:44.04 | simonrvn | tldp.org |
| 23:44.20 | jamonation | man |
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| 23:45.51 | snowbird | get error nno such file or directory |
| 23:46.10 | simonrvn | for? |
| 23:46.31 | snowbird | that file |
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| 23:46.49 | snowbird | i will drive 600 mile for retard linxu book |
| 23:46.50 | simonrvn | ls is your friend ;) |
| 23:46.57 | snowbird | what u mean |
| 23:47.04 | simonrvn | use it ;) |
| 23:47.11 | snowbird | no what |
| 23:47.17 | JeffH | thanks neo.. I think just some easy to access/update file is gonna be the approach I take. I need to start documenting the changes I've made.. I coudln't repeat half of them if I had to. |
| 23:48.01 | snowbird | it says text file |
| 23:48.20 | simonrvn | !wayttd snowbird |
| 23:48.20 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, snowbird? |
| 23:48.38 | snowbird | install this tar ball |
| 23:49.01 | JeffH | Is there a way to find out what package a particular file came from? |
| 23:49.04 | simonrvn | btw if you want to keep your nick you can register it with nickserv |
| 23:49.06 | abrotman | snowbird: if you can't figure out how to change directories .. compiling software is going to be WAY beyond your ability |
| 23:49.10 | snowbird | simon il paste what i ahve on desk top maybe yoou can see someting i need to doo |
| 23:49.30 | snowbird | id dreg my nicks |
| 23:49.37 | simonrvn | no, don't. learn your basics first |
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| 23:49.42 | simonrvn | seriously |
| 23:49.54 | abrotman | learn anything first ... |
| 23:50.16 | snowbird | ok were would flsh player be in sources? |
| 23:50.26 | snowbird | must be bad tar balll |
| 23:50.39 | themill | !tell snowbird about flash |
| 23:50.45 | abrotman | if you would have told us what you were ACTUALLY trying to do .. we could have avoided this circus |
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| 23:51.48 | snowbird | i did abortman i thought |
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| 23:52.01 | abrotman | you did not |
| 23:52.05 | abrotman | not that i saw anyways |
| 23:53.11 | lfs | I just installed libpoker-eval-dev and one of the example programs has #include "poker_defs.h" but gcc does not see it? |
| 23:53.36 | snowbird | it says to got to debain acrive ftp |
| 23:53.41 | lfs | Shouldnt the .h files be in the path if apt-get installed it? |
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| 23:54.16 | simonrvn | lfs: an include with "" means to look at it in the current directory, or in the -I arguments |
| 23:54.28 | S4nD3r | In gnome enviorment is possible to print just odd pages? |
| 23:54.41 | simonrvn | <> is system, i.e., /usr/{local/}include |
| 23:54.43 | lfs | OK so where would this program have put these includes? |
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| 23:54.55 | simonrvn | /usr/include if from debian |
| 23:55.17 | lfs | So should I jsut take away the quotations? |
| 23:55.23 | simonrvn | no |
| 23:55.44 | stoned | I'm gonna wail on ya, with my ancient and deadly art of PokeFu |
| 23:55.46 | stoned | :) |
| 23:56.05 | snowbird | iam going to give up |
| 23:56.11 | stoned | get it? |
| 23:56.16 | snowbird | flash i guess cant be done here |
| 23:56.17 | stoned | pokemon, kungfu, poke poke poke |
| 23:56.19 | stoned | :D |
| 23:56.29 | abrotman | wtf |
| 23:56.34 | abrotman | !be a reading barbie |
| 23:56.34 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, abrotman |
| 23:56.41 | stoned | I'm taking the piss outta #kubuntu, its fun |
| 23:57.12 | ehtom | is it possible to see what dpkg -i would install, without actually doing it? |
| 23:57.23 | simonrvn | stoned: heheh |
| 23:57.29 | stoned | ehtom: you mean the contents of the package? |
| 23:57.33 | ehtom | yeah |
| 23:57.35 | lfs | hcmp2.c:28:37: error: /usr/include/poker_defs.h: No such file or directory |
| 23:57.36 | jamonation | stoned: oh oh, let me watch |
| 23:57.39 | snowbird | wil nevor ever try tar bals again |
| 23:58.03 | simonrvn | snowbird: at least until you know what you're doing |
| 23:58.27 | stoned | I hope I never get to a point where I have jittery fingers |
| 23:58.41 | stoned | I don't know what I'd do if i ever developed tendinitis or arthritis |
| 23:58.43 | snowbird | well nope i would need a reomte to teach me |
| 23:58.44 | stoned | I would just die |
| 23:58.50 | snowbird | then i could learn |
| 23:58.59 | stoned | if I can't play guitar, I might as well be dead |
| 23:58.59 | snowbird | is there a way to apt get flash |
| 23:59.02 | simonrvn | baby steps |
| 23:59.05 | stoned | !flash |
| 23:59.05 | dpkg | methinks flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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