| 00:00.42 | snowbird | i get error i already ahve newest |
| 00:00.44 | snowbird | dam |
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| 00:00.50 | ehtom | so... how do I view the contents of a package? |
| 00:01.09 | lfs | dpkg -L |
| 00:01.10 | abrotman | ehtom: dpkg -L or apt-file or packages.debian.org |
| 00:01.19 | stoned | is there a universal file system? |
| 00:01.26 | ehtom | thanks |
| 00:01.29 | stoned | something I can safely write to from windows, mac, and linux |
| 00:01.30 | stoned | ? |
| 00:01.38 | stoned | read/write |
| 00:01.42 | snowbird | busted i gues like ajva |
| 00:01.46 | simonrvn | fat32 :( |
| 00:01.49 | stoned | :( |
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| 00:01.54 | simonrvn | fat16 :( |
| 00:01.57 | stoned | how big can a fat32 get? |
| 00:02.00 | stoned | 500gb ? |
| 00:02.01 | stoned | 1tb? |
| 00:02.03 | simonrvn | icky shit |
| 00:02.06 | stoned | i know |
| 00:02.09 | neofpo_ | stoned: see wikipedia's article |
| 00:02.09 | stoned | but what can ya do |
| 00:02.14 | stoned | neofpo_: on what? |
| 00:02.29 | snowbird | sent back new printer had uk .deb drivers so i sent it back |
| 00:02.32 | neofpo_ | stoned: size of fat32 fs |
| 00:02.38 | stoned | yeh |
| 00:02.39 | snowbird | wont bue any thing for linxu like that |
| 00:02.43 | stoned | no i have not read it |
| 00:02.52 | stoned | but i know the fat is huge! |
| 00:03.04 | neofpo_ | stoned: there is a huge and complete char |
| 00:03.08 | stoned | on a 500gb disk, you can easily lose over 50gb on just the fat |
| 00:03.11 | neofpo_ | stoned: *chart. let me find it |
| 00:03.12 | stoned | i think |
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| 00:03.21 | simonrvn | my problem is that when i go off to read something, i read 6 other things after that |
| 00:03.27 | stoned | simonrvn: dude |
| 00:03.29 | lfs | There is no poker_defs.h on my system |
| 00:03.31 | stoned | I can't ever finish what I 'm reading |
| 00:03.39 | neofpo_ | stoned: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 00:03.42 | stoned | cuz there are so many things within i dont know, which i click on |
| 00:03.42 | stoned | hehe |
| 00:03.50 | snowbird | simonrvn: u got book store throw me book |
| 00:03.59 | neofpo_ | lfs: try auto-apt to find the package with the file |
| 00:04.02 | lfs | shouldn't the libpoker-eval-dev have installed the .h files? |
| 00:04.13 | stoned | oyh yeh |
| 00:04.17 | stoned | I'm familiar with this page |
| 00:04.19 | simonrvn | i used to do that, but then i'd want to read the whole thing, so i wait, or open it in a new tab/less/whatever =) |
| 00:04.25 | lfs | auto-apt? |
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| 00:04.38 | simonrvn | lfs: how about you ask dpkg -L libpoker-eval-dev ? |
| 00:05.07 | snowbird | does the adobe flash palyer work for outer folks |
| 00:05.15 | simonrvn | snowbird: get it yourself, i'm not your gofer |
| 00:05.36 | neofpo_ | lfs: only if it is already installed |
| 00:05.38 | snowbird | u closer to book stoe than be |
| 00:05.39 | jamonation | ext4 has no max file length listed on that page... |
| 00:05.41 | neofpo_ | lfs: also try packages.debian.org |
| 00:05.45 | jamonation | filename that is |
| 00:05.57 | abrotman | !tell snowbird about u |
| 00:05.58 | lfs | I found them |
| 00:05.59 | MalMen | its possible i dontgrade etch->sarge ? |
| 00:06.01 | abrotman | !tell snowbird about english |
| 00:06.06 | MalMen | etch is unstable with php5 :X |
| 00:06.07 | stoned | !downgrade |
| 00:06.07 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 00:06.09 | abrotman | MalMen: no |
| 00:06.15 | neofpo_ | MalMen: yes, but will be faster / easier to reinstall |
| 00:06.20 | lfs | I don't think that Gnome file finder works right |
| 00:06.27 | MalMen | :X |
| 00:06.29 | abrotman | !info php4 etch |
| 00:06.32 | dpkg | php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 6:4.4.4-8+etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 00:06.34 | stoned | neofpo_: no |
| 00:06.42 | simonrvn | snowbird: you don't know that |
| 00:06.43 | MalMen | abrotman my application not support php4 |
| 00:06.57 | MalMen | !info php5 etch |
| 00:06.57 | lfs | What do you use to search for files? |
| 00:07.00 | dpkg | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.0-8+etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 00:07.04 | lfs | I am using Gnome. |
| 00:07.08 | abrotman | MalMen: and php5 isn't in sarge |
| 00:07.11 | neofpo_ | MalMen: ignore dpkg. There is how to downgrad, by setting up apt_preferences(5) |
| 00:07.17 | S4nD3r | in kde I installed psnup |
| 00:07.23 | abrotman | neofpo_: no . do NOT ignore dpkg |
| 00:07.39 | abrotman | neofpo_: it is possible .. it's also *very* likely to break your entire system rendering it unbootable |
| 00:08.05 | neofpo_ | abrotman: yes, it is. But apt DOES the job. If the packages do not support downgrade, it is another story |
| 00:08.20 | abrotman | neofpo_: so it's not possible then .. |
| 00:08.49 | stoned | sudo shutdown -r now |
| 00:08.50 | neofpo_ | abrotman: I did it. It takes a LOT of time, to fix all /etc/ and /home stuff, but works |
| 00:08.52 | lfs | So like what to use for search? I know how to use find, but what is easier? |
| 00:08.53 | stoned | oh oops |
| 00:09.02 | themill | !tell neofpo_ about downgrade |
| 00:09.09 | neofpo_ | lfs: beagle? |
| 00:09.14 | abrotman | neofpo_: oh .. so you had to manually intervene .. go figure .. still doesn't work :) |
| 00:09.31 | lfs | What about nautilus? |
| 00:09.33 | neofpo_ | abrotman: yes... |
| 00:09.38 | neofpo_ | lfs: never used |
| 00:09.50 | neofpo_ | lfs: I always use find. I hate graphical search tools |
| 00:09.53 | abrotman | neofpo_: unless you're willing to walk him through it .. don't tell them to do it |
| 00:10.00 | neofpo_ | lfs: I can not grep, awk, cut the results... |
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| 00:10.22 | neofpo_ | abrotman: as I said, it is easier to reintall, but theorically it is possible |
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| 00:10.46 | abrotman | neofpo_: it's also theoretically possible to put simonrvn inside a soda can .. |
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| 00:11.02 | lfs | I typted in include into nautilus and clicked on search and nothing happens. |
| 00:11.13 | neofpo_ | abrotman: ehehhehe |
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| 00:11.41 | neofpo_ | abrotman: making this sort of hard low level work is the best way to learn something |
| 00:12.05 | abrotman | neofpo_: but it's not supported or recommended |
| 00:12.05 | snowbird | whats a good book |
| 00:12.19 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:13.08 | themill | no |
| 00:13.09 | neofpo_ | abrotman: surelly it is not! I just have one doubt: package maintainer / dpkg warn the user when the package scripts dows not support downgrade? (some do) |
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| 00:13.46 | neofpo_ | have any of u guys used fedora? |
| 00:13.47 | abrotman | neofpo_: i think it tells you or warns you ... |
| 00:13.53 | abrotman | neofpo_: #fedora |
| 00:13.55 | neofpo_ | abrotman: I hope so |
| 00:13.58 | jamonation | themill: alien |
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| 00:13.59 | neofpo_ | abrotman: eheheh |
| 00:14.13 | neofpo_ | abrotman: do not ask the devil about hell. It will tell it is heaven |
| 00:14.26 | abrotman | ##linux |
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| 00:14.46 | themill | jamonation: let's not confuse the situation. The simple answer is often the best. particularly where some are concerned. |
| 00:14.49 | mesof | how can i get the command "cal" back working again? |
| 00:14.50 | neofpo_ | abrotman: May be you can tell me. |
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| 00:15.11 | Quintin | I have an issue with my graphics, when I go to fullscreen or back in dosbox, it crashes X .. where should I look for errors? |
| 00:15.14 | jamonation | themill: rpms work, simple, nothing confusing about that |
| 00:15.16 | abrotman | neofpo_: about fedora? .. not in #debian |
| 00:15.19 | simonrvn | abrotman: you'd have to liquify me first, or get some formula 451 simonrvn version :P |
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| 00:15.33 | abrotman | simonrvn: we could incinerate you |
| 00:15.38 | themill | jamonation: of course rpms have to be supported in some way to be lsb compliant. They usually put files in the wrong places and the maintainer scripts are pants. |
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| 00:16.04 | jamonation | ah, the implied qualifier, work "well" is what we're after then |
| 00:16.06 | simonrvn | abrotman: then i can't re-materialise |
| 00:16.09 | neofpo_ | abrotman: I will always stick to Debian on server (solid rock, but old stuff). On desktop, I like to have up to date software, which Ubuntu does. However it is way to buggy. Keeping a Debian testing system running up to date and not broken is way to work... |
| 00:16.15 | abrotman | simonrvn: superglue!~ |
| 00:16.30 | themill | jamonation: I think you should read through the sorts of questions that the person who asked that question has been asking. If the person asking can't cd to a directory, then they're not going to get alien to work, are they? |
| 00:16.31 | neofpo_ | abrotman: I want something like an OpenBSD to desktop (6 months releases, solid rock) |
| 00:16.35 | Quintin | neofpo_, in short, desktop linux is a joke. |
| 00:16.44 | abrotman | neofpo_: ask ##linux |
| 00:16.53 | freckledp | in gnome (lenny), I can't get networkmanager working again. I used the regular network config tool under gnome while troubleshooting another issue. Now, wireless networking works fine, but networkManager isn't controlling it. Anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 00:17.01 | jamonation | themill: alien -i is straightforward, and if it works, great, if not, we're no worse off |
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| 00:17.21 | [gtime]silent | do I need any packages to run .bins?? I'm having trouble with permissions (chmod/chown are ok) while executing |
| 00:17.37 | themill | jamonation: I'll let you do the handholding on that one. Enjoy. |
| 00:17.42 | simonrvn | abrotman: i'll be too stiff, water works good |
| 00:17.48 | centrx | [gtime]silent, what is the .bin ? |
| 00:17.49 | neofpo_ | abrotman: well, I have two at home with full sucess, some at my previous job with full success. |
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| 00:18.10 | snowbird | the mill can i show u a link |
| 00:18.14 | abrotman | neofpo_: it's still offtopic here .. this channel is for Debian |
| 00:18.15 | mesof | does anyone know how to get the command cal working again? |
| 00:18.16 | themill | snowbird: jamonation has some ideas on how you can install rpms and has offered to help you with it. I'm off to bed now, so as jamonation. |
| 00:18.20 | themill | night all! |
| 00:18.20 | neofpo_ | abrotman: linux on desktop was a joke... |
| 00:18.25 | abrotman | mesof: when did it break ? |
| 00:18.28 | jamonation | themill: night ;) |
| 00:18.29 | reiser2 | Hi |
| 00:18.29 | [gtime]silent | centrx, hldsupdatetool.bin... I execute with ./hldsupdatetool.bin and get "-bash: ./hldsupdatetool.bin: Permission denied |
| 00:18.29 | [gtime]silent | " |
| 00:18.33 | simonrvn | mesof: uh, run it? |
| 00:18.36 | mesof | abrotman: i'm not sure exactly |
| 00:18.38 | abrotman | [gtime]silent: on a CD ? |
| 00:18.40 | mesof | command not found |
| 00:18.44 | neofpo_ | abrotman: oh, ok, I just thought we could compare Debian to ther stuff in the world. That's what I wanned. |
| 00:18.46 | abrotman | !find bin/cal etch |
| 00:18.51 | abrotman | neofpo_: that's what ##linux is for |
| 00:18.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/cal' (9 of 19): (/usr/bin/calc) in math/apcalc ;; (/usr/bin/calcoo) in utils/calcoo ;; (/usr/bin/calife) in admin/calife ;; (/usr/sbin/callback) in comm/mgetty ;; (/usr/bin/calcurse) in utils/calcurse ;; (/usr/bin/call) in hamradio/ax25-apps ;; (/usr/bin/callpass) in hamradio/xastir ;; (/usr/bin/calamaris) in utils/calamaris ;; (/usr/bin/calibrate_ppa) in text/pnm2ppa. |
| 00:18.57 | abrotman | grrr |
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| 00:19.01 | stephan | hi |
| 00:19.02 | abrotman | !find bin/cal$ etch |
| 00:19.03 | simonrvn | ffs |
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| 00:19.05 | snowbird | night mill |
| 00:19.07 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/cal' (1): (/usr/bin/cal) in utils/bsdmainutils. |
| 00:19.08 | centrx | [gtime]silent, is the file set to be executable, +x |
| 00:19.09 | neofpo_ | abrotman: ok, ok... I wont botter you anymore... |
| 00:19.14 | reiser2 | How can i configure Firefox to use Character Enconding 8859-1 by default ? |
| 00:19.17 | abrotman | mesof: is bsdmainutils installed ? |
| 00:19.24 | reiser2 | ho abrotman |
| 00:19.25 | [gtime]silent | yes, set to be executable through root or my user |
| 00:19.27 | reiser2 | h |
| 00:19.30 | simonrvn | reiser2: you change your prefs |
| 00:19.31 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.32 | neofpo_ | reiser2: on the menus, there is an option. May be on the preferences |
| 00:19.37 | abrotman | reiser2: hi |
| 00:19.41 | reiser2 | i try all |
| 00:19.44 | reiser2 | but nothing |
| 00:19.53 | abrotman | [gtime]silent: is it mounted noexec in /etc/fstab ? |
| 00:20.06 | [gtime]silent | its not a bin compressed |
| 00:20.10 | [gtime]silent | its an executable |
| 00:20.14 | simonrvn | reiser2: View > Character Encoding > |
| 00:20.22 | neofpo_ | reiser2: oh, I remember. It will use your locale's default by default |
| 00:20.22 | reiser2 | yes |
| 00:20.26 | centrx | [gtime]silent, can you copy the file |
| 00:20.32 | mesof | now it works, thank abrotman |
| 00:20.34 | mesof | :D |
| 00:20.42 | [gtime]silent | up |
| 00:20.47 | [gtime]silent | just made a *.bkp |
| 00:20.47 | reiser2 | but can i change the default? |
| 00:20.52 | [gtime]silent | yes |
| 00:20.56 | abrotman | [gtime]silent: i understand that .. is there a noexec line on your CD mount line ? |
| 00:20.57 | mesof | can avahi be removed? what does it do? |
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| 00:21.01 | abrotman | mesof: you can try |
| 00:21.09 | [gtime]silent | ill check |
| 00:21.16 | mesof | abrotman: will i lose connection? |
| 00:21.19 | neofpo_ | mesof: implement some apple easy network setup stuff |
| 00:21.26 | stephan | damn |
| 00:21.32 | neofpo_ | mesof: unlikely |
| 00:21.32 | [gtime]silent | user,noauto |
| 00:21.32 | stephan | i made my boot a little small... 8mb |
| 00:21.34 | stephan | :\ |
| 00:21.37 | mesof | okay thanks |
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| 00:21.47 | abrotman | mesof: i doubt it |
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| 00:21.53 | Sweetandy | join #ubuntu |
| 00:21.54 | [gtime]silent | there is no noexec |
| 00:21.54 | centrx | [gtime]silent, doesn't make sense then, you should be able to run it |
| 00:21.54 | neofpo_ | mesof: see on wikipedia, good article |
| 00:21.55 | abrotman | neofpo_: it's zeroconf .. has nothing to do with apple |
| 00:22.02 | abrotman | !zeroconf |
| 00:22.02 | dpkg | Zeroconf or Zero Configuration Networking is a set of techniques that automatically create a usable IP network without configuration or special servers. This allows unknowledgeable users to connect computers, networked printers, and other items together and expect them to work automatically. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeroconf |
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| 00:22.08 | stephan | is it bad if my boot is now 82% full? |
| 00:22.11 | reiser2 | the default is UTF-8 |
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| 00:22.24 | [gtime]silent | I only installed the base system, would that matter? In the installer I unselected all optional components |
| 00:22.31 | [gtime]silent | even the bottom standard system one |
| 00:22.42 | neofpo_ | hey abrotman, is there a web acces from those !stuff answers? |
| 00:22.43 | mesof | thanks abo |
| 00:22.45 | [gtime]silent | am I missing packages required to execute .bins? |
| 00:22.46 | mesof | abrotman: |
| 00:22.52 | abrotman | neofpo_: why? |
| 00:23.02 | neofpo_ | abrotman: for me to be able to browse it |
| 00:23.11 | abrotman | you can't browse it .. you can search it |
| 00:23.19 | neofpo_ | [gtime]silent: try $ file *.bins and tell me what it is |
| 00:23.30 | neofpo_ | abrotman: only from here? |
| 00:23.35 | abrotman | [gtime]silent: copy the files to a directory on your system and try it |
| 00:24.29 | [gtime]silent | hldsupdatetool.bin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
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| 00:25.12 | [gtime]silent | running 2.6.18-4-486 |
| 00:25.15 | [gtime]silent | if that helps |
| 00:25.41 | simonrvn | stephan: it's not great, but it won't crash anything. /boot should be like 50 MB minimum. some apps may fail generating an initrd (if you use one), but you can manage (removing kernels you don't need (keep at least 2 known working ones) |
| 00:26.07 | stephan | simonrvn, yeah i must had an typo at install |
| 00:26.13 | stephan | i did my first deb install :) |
| 00:26.18 | stephan | but i entered 0.5 GB |
| 00:26.23 | stephan | apparently it was MB :) |
| 00:26.42 | [gtime]silent | http://pastebin.ca/raw/655005 |
| 00:27.10 | simonrvn | or re-do it ;p |
| 00:27.30 | abrotman | [gtime]silent: is /data/ a CD ? |
| 00:27.38 | abrotman | what is /data/HL2/ ? |
| 00:27.47 | [gtime]silent | its a directory |
| 00:28.01 | stephan | abrotman, i reinstall :D |
| 00:28.12 | abrotman | stephan: not you |
| 00:28.21 | abrotman | [gtime]silent: paste your fstab somewhere |
| 00:28.22 | neofpo_ | [gtime]silent: does it have execution permissions? Also try ldd *.bins to see if some library is missing. What error do u get? |
| 00:30.06 | [gtime]silent | hmm... I guess its my lvm that's causing the problem. I'm running 1 250gb hdd and 2 500gb hdd on an lvm... while executing on the lvm I get that error, but on /home/ (on the linux partition) I dont |
| 00:30.19 | stephan | simonrvn, maybe i can extend the partition? |
| 00:30.54 | neofpo_ | [gtime]silent: how can a binary run only from a certain location? What is this program? |
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| 00:31.02 | simonrvn | if you have room and you can move the other partitions... |
| 00:31.08 | [gtime]silent | its a tool to install a game server |
| 00:31.22 | [gtime]silent | it only runs on my linux partition, not on my logical volume |
| 00:31.24 | abrotman | neofpo_: what .. HL2 wasn't a hint ? |
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| 00:31.36 | simonrvn | easier to just re-do the whole thing if this is a fresh install and you haven't done anything to it yet |
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| 00:32.13 | [gtime]silent | is there a way to make it run on my lvm as well? I dont have enough space on my linux partition for a game server |
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| 00:34.20 | [gtime]silent | could I maybe use unionfs to link the namespace to fool it to writing to the lvm?? |
| 00:34.37 | stoned | how does one go about changing the volume lable for a disk |
| 00:34.52 | stephan | simonrvn, hey |
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| 00:34.56 | stephan | simonrvn, http://nopaste.info/c9ccfa399c.html |
| 00:35.07 | stephan | my /etc/fstab maybe you can give me a hint |
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| 00:36.26 | shuras | hi |
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| 00:39.11 | shuras | I have a problem. I have made a .deb based on a program developed by me, but when people try to install it with dpkg or gdebi, the installation fails |
| 00:39.25 | shuras | dependencies are wrong |
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| 00:39.56 | gravity | So fix the dependencies? |
| 00:39.59 | shuras | (but dependencies are ok in control file) |
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| 00:40.17 | gravity | shuras: What sorts of errors are people getting? |
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| 00:41.31 | shuras | laga depende de libsdl-ttf1.2; sin embargo: |
| 00:41.32 | shuras | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.52 | shuras | sorry, this dpkg is in spanish |
| 00:42.20 | abrotman | did you try apt-get -f install ? |
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| 00:42.33 | gravity | I don't have this package available either |
| 00:42.41 | shuras | yes abrotman |
| 00:42.54 | abrotman | !info libsdl-ttf1.2 etch |
| 00:43.12 | abrotman | !info libsdl-ttf1.2 sarge |
| 00:43.15 | gravity | shuras: That package doesn't exist except in sarge |
| 00:43.17 | dpkg | libsdl-ttf1.2: (TrueType font library for Simple DirectMedia Layer), section oldlibs, is extra. Version: 1.2.2-6 (sarge), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 00:43.18 | shuras | i think that gdebi could install dependencies by itself |
| 00:43.19 | abrotman | yay! |
| 00:43.20 | gravity | It's long dead |
| 00:43.33 | abrotman | shuras: your package is broken |
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| 00:43.41 | shuras | broken? |
| 00:43.44 | gravity | So having your package depend on it is wrong for any install on a modern system |
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| 00:44.14 | shuras | mm |
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| 00:44.41 | gravity | libsdl-ttf2.0-0 appears to be current in unstable |
| 00:45.09 | shuras | yes |
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| 00:45.31 | shuras | but i use sarge |
| 00:46.00 | abrotman | you do ? |
| 00:46.05 | abrotman | shuras: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 00:46.23 | gravity | shuras: Your users apparently aren't though if they can't install the package |
| 00:46.37 | gravity | You may have to provide a version of the package yourself for them |
| 00:46.49 | gravity | Or build your app on sdl2 |
| 00:46.57 | abrotman | or statically build it! |
| 00:47.01 | gravity | ew |
| 00:47.09 | shuras | mmm statically build.... |
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| 00:47.33 | abrotman | gravity: ew indeed :) |
| 00:48.20 | shuras | i hate conflicts of dependencies |
| 00:48.22 | reiser2 | abrotman: is there any way to change Charset so the mozilla use that for default? |
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| 00:48.39 | abrotman | reiser2: uhm .. no idea |
| 00:48.54 | snowbird | i shure aint going to try stuff any more |
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| 00:49.05 | shuras | thnx all |
| 00:49.34 | JeffH | I'm seeing 'imapd: couriertls: read: Connection reset by peer' in my syslog right before every notice that I've DISCONNECTED from the courier-imap server.. anyone seen that before? |
| 00:50.47 | shuras | bye |
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| 00:52.06 | snowbird | simonrvn: if u find a good spot on google to my retard nose send me the spot |
| 00:52.07 | abrotman | snowbird: what's your native language ? |
| 00:52.07 | snowbird | could eng |
| 00:52.07 | simonrvn | snowbird: do your own work |
| 00:52.07 | abrotman | snowbird: no .. really |
| 00:52.20 | CalJohn | A good gnutella client except gtk-gnutella in the repositories? |
| 00:52.27 | snowbird | simonrvn: i do my own but i u find someting share |
| 00:52.36 | simonrvn | he said a couple of arabic words yesterday, but that doesn't mean anything |
| 00:53.00 | abrotman | snowbird: what's your native language ? |
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| 00:53.09 | abrotman | CalJohn: apt-cache search gnutella |
| 00:53.10 | snowbird | english |
| 00:53.11 | john_titor | and i thought my english was very vyer bad |
| 00:53.13 | abrotman | snowbird: no it's not |
| 00:53.34 | CalJohn | abrotman: tried, but no nice results |
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| 00:53.39 | john_titor | i feel a little bit better now.... |
| 00:54.00 | snowbird | john_titor: maybe u got dixlia? |
| 00:54.02 | abrotman | CalJohn: gtk-gnutella is the only one i know of |
| 00:54.10 | CalJohn | abrotman: im trying to quickley get some things for a friend for tomorrow, don't want to fiddle with gift, and gtk-gnutella seems dead |
| 00:54.13 | john_titor | hahahahaha |
| 00:54.15 | simonrvn | dyslexia |
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| 00:54.28 | snowbird | yeah simonrvn |
| 00:54.35 | abrotman | CalJohn: it's not dead |
| 00:54.37 | garotosopa | Hi. How do I start a new X Session with KDM? |
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| 00:54.47 | abrotman | CalJohn: oh wait .. before i say that .. i should try it eh ? |
| 00:55.08 | CalJohn | abrotman: the repository binary doesn't actually work. IIRC correctly it's too old to connect to other clients or something. |
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| 00:55.25 | CalJohn | i mean, it works fine, but big gnutella clients reject it |
| 00:55.26 | abrotman | CalJohn: it tells you how to fix that if you run it from xterm |
| 00:55.42 | abrotman | or so i thought |
| 00:56.31 | CalJohn | abrotman: doesn't happen for me, or so it seems |
| 00:56.39 | abrotman | CalJohn: hrm |
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| 00:57.04 | abrotman | CalJohn: this is etch ? lenny? sid ? |
| 00:58.05 | stephan | i installed stuff and now i want to remove it, but apt-get remove foo does not uninstall _all_ how can i clean out not needed dependencies? |
| 00:59.19 | CalJohn | abrotman: sorry, this is gtk-gnutella/0.96.4-14059 (2007-07-07; GTK2; Linux x86_64) on testing amd64 |
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| 00:59.37 | alessandro | Mescal |
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| 01:00.13 | alessandro | Hi all |
| 01:00.36 | stephan | hi |
| 01:00.59 | ChandleWEi | I install debian show error that" Begin: Waiting for root file system... ..." |
| 01:01.00 | alessandro | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.07 | abrotman | CalJohn: i don't see any related bugs |
| 01:01.48 | CalJohn | maybe it's just me after all |
| 01:01.56 | stephan | can someone answer me it? |
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| 01:02.24 | gravity | stephan: deborphan |
| 01:02.33 | gravity | stephan: And use aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 01:02.37 | ChandleWEi | anyone could help me |
| 01:03.00 | stephan | what's the difference between them gravity? i am running debian since 52 minutes :)) |
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| 01:03.24 | gravity | stephan: aptitude will track dependencies that get installed automatically and remove them when they're no longer needed |
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| 01:03.36 | stephan | ok |
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| 01:03.41 | stephan | so i use aptitude search foo |
| 01:03.42 | gravity | stephan: aptitude will also install recommends by default (which apt-get will do when lenny is released) and it has an interactive mode |
| 01:03.48 | stephan | aptitude install/remove foo |
| 01:04.03 | stephan | install recommends by default <-- |
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| 01:04.06 | stephan | what does this mean? |
| 01:04.11 | ChandleWEi | Begin: Waiting for root file system... ... how to resolve this problem |
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| 01:04.24 | stephan | seems your grub is borked |
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| 01:04.37 | stephan | check menu.lst |
| 01:06.10 | gravity | stephan: Packages have depends, recommends, and suggests. They do different things. Recommends aren't absolutely necessary for the package, but you want them in almost all cases. |
| 01:06.10 | gravity | stephan: Because you generally want them, aptitude will install them by default |
| 01:06.10 | stephan | i see |
| 01:06.10 | stephan | so suggests aren't necessary but good |
| 01:06.10 | ChandleWEi | stephan:install is complete,so start first debian ,show above error |
| 01:06.10 | gravity | stephan: Right |
| 01:06.10 | stephan | dpkg-* is that also deprecated? |
| 01:06.10 | ChandleWEi | stephan:Begin: Mouting root file system ... ... \Begin Running /scripts/local-top ...\ide0: I/O resource 0x1f0-ox1f7 not free\ide0: ports already in use , skipping prob\ide1 I/O resource 0x170-0x177 not free.\ide1 ports already in use ,skipping probe \Done.\Begin: Waiting for root file system... ... |
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| 01:06.12 | ChandleWEi | stephan:start xp from grub is ok |
| 01:06.34 | glguy | Debian (lenny) seems to include some SELinux tools be default, but doesn't seem to use them by default. In general to people leave SELinux disabled unless they have some special need for it? |
| 01:06.36 | gravity | stephan: They're for different purposes really |
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| 01:06.53 | stephan | gravity, i know! :) |
| 01:06.55 | gravity | glguy: Pretty much. I don't know very many people who use selinux |
| 01:07.21 | stephan | gravity, i don't have deborphan so i can uninstall the one unneeded library (flash) manually with apt-get remove foo? |
| 01:07.30 | gravity | stephan: Sure |
| 01:09.31 | abrotman | CalJohn: no .. it's not just you |
| 01:09.34 | stephan | alessandro come back, his/her card is supported by the saa7134 driver <http://linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/CARDLIST.saa7134>. |
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| 01:11.40 | abrotman | CalJohn: http://gtk-gnutella.sourceforge.net/en/?page=faq#gnet6 |
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| 01:14.07 | stoned | how does one go about changing the volume lable for a disk |
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| 01:14.53 | john_titor | wich one its a good softaware to start with python¡????????? |
| 01:14.56 | stephan | tune2fs? |
| 01:15.03 | stephan | john_titor, ? |
| 01:15.10 | john_titor | huh? |
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| 01:15.51 | abrotman | CalJohn: /join #gtk-gnutella |
| 01:16.38 | stoned | ahh |
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| 01:20.06 | stoned | its the -L switch |
| 01:20.12 | stoned | thanks |
| 01:21.10 | mesof | what is the command to open a specific link with iceweasel? |
| 01:21.18 | snowbird | stoned in synamtic there is 2,6 sound thing could u give me name when i went there to llok back at it was gone |
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| 01:21.31 | gravity | mesof: iceweasel yoururl |
| 01:21.43 | mesof | gravity: that's not working from menu |
| 01:21.53 | gravity | mesof: Does it work from the terminal? |
| 01:21.58 | gravity | I don't know if you can open a specific link from the menu |
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| 01:22.22 | mesof | from terminal, yes |
| 01:22.24 | stoned | snowbird: no idea |
| 01:22.26 | mesof | oh yeah, let me try that |
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| 01:22.56 | JeffH | anyone know if courier-imap has an idle timeout value? I seem to be gettng a 'Conection reset by peer' at a 10 minute interval. |
| 01:22.57 | snowbird | u dont have it check it out alsa 2.4 is like few box ahead |
| 01:23.45 | abrotman | JeffH: could be your firewall |
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| 01:24.16 | JeffH | abrot: interesting idea.. |
| 01:24.26 | JeffH | abrotman: any idea how to test that idea? |
| 01:24.50 | abrotman | JeffH: is this your server ? |
| 01:24.55 | JeffH | yes |
| 01:25.07 | abrotman | does your ssh connection get dropped also ? |
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| 01:25.30 | JeffH | I don't have my ssh connection poking through my firewall. |
| 01:25.38 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:25.45 | JeffH | only ports 25, 80 and 143 are opened to the internet. |
| 01:26.36 | JeffH | I can reconfigure my client to connect internally.. and see if I get any messages. |
| 01:26.40 | snowbird | what firewall is it iptables? |
| 01:27.02 | simonrvn | it's all iptables in linux... |
| 01:27.06 | JeffH | snowbird: dunno.. I use a WRT54G router. |
| 01:27.16 | snowbird | yikes' |
| 01:27.23 | snowbird | thats linksys |
| 01:27.33 | simonrvn | ... |
| 01:27.35 | JeffH | what's wrong with linksys? |
| 01:27.43 | snowbird | nothing |
| 01:27.58 | JeffH | why the 'yikes' then? |
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| 01:28.31 | snowbird | i dont know how that firewall is could be custom linux firewall |
| 01:28.49 | MolePrince | What package do I need to install to run X/fluxbox please? I have x11-common and fluxbox installed, but when I try startx or xinit or startfluxbox I get a message sayong that /etc/X11/X doesn't exist.. |
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| 01:28.50 | JeffH | dunno. |
| 01:28.54 | snowbird | some of early g linkys had port troubles |
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| 01:29.00 | gravity | MolePrince: xorg |
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| 01:29.45 | ehc | if I edit my .profile how can I relaod the login through a shell? |
| 01:29.47 | simonrvn | why you'd install x11-common and not the server as well is beyond me |
| 01:29.59 | simonrvn | ehc: . ~/.profile |
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| 01:30.08 | MolePrince | gravity: Ah, thank you. Must have missed that one. [I don't know why x11-common is installed tbh, I think Kismet did it for some reason..] |
| 01:30.16 | Quintin | I have an issue with my graphics, when I go to fullscreen or back in dosbox, it crashes X .. where should I look for errors? |
| 01:30.20 | gravity | MolePrince: I'm sure fluxbox needed it |
| 01:30.23 | snowbird | simonrvn got a linux book here now |
| 01:30.29 | Quintin | or totally takes down the machine sometimes too.. |
| 01:30.36 | gravity | indirectly |
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| 01:31.52 | MolePrince | Is there a way to install xorg without all the video drivers? I only need one of them, not several dozen packages worth. |
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| 01:32.04 | gravity | MolePrince: Yes, just pick the one you need and remove the rest |
| 01:32.11 | gravity | MolePrince: The server will be ok with that |
| 01:32.23 | MolePrince | gravity: Awesome. Thanks. :) |
| 01:32.37 | JeffH | I have my laptop e-mail program setup to access my e-mail server via its external address that way when I'm out and about I don't have to change anything.. but that means when I'm at home on my own network I'm not connecting to my server through the local network... is there anyway to change my setup to access the mail server from its local ip when I'm on my own network? |
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| 01:35.59 | Lektron | Hi. My "sources.list" points to sid and lenny repos, and I use apt-listbugs. |
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| 01:36.09 | Lektron | For several weeks, seems that many packages have bugs tagged "Pending". |
| 01:36.17 | Lektron | How long does a package typically stay in "Pending" before the fix is available? |
| 01:36.41 | gravity | Lektron: There's no really good answer for that. It's whenever the maintainer does an upload with the bug fix. |
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| 01:38.05 | Lektron | gravity: Thanks. It seems odd tho, that in reading the email exchanges that are posted as part of the bug tracking record, |
| 01:38.28 | Lektron | the last message in the thread does not often point to a resolution. |
| 01:38.53 | Lektron | Yet, the Pending tag is apparently supposed to indicate |
| 01:39.04 | Lektron | that a fix is soon to be uploaded. |
| 01:39.06 | Sweetandy | !man hi |
| 01:39.09 | Lektron | I think . . . |
| 01:39.14 | Sweetandy | !dpkg man |
| 01:39.15 | gravity | Lektron: Yeah, that's why there's no good answer. The tag can be misleading :-\ |
| 01:39.32 | Lektron | How disappointing . . . |
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| 01:39.57 | abrotman | CalJohn: still there ? |
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| 01:45.40 | abrotman | CalJohn: try moving your ~/.gtk-gnutella to something like .gtk-gnutella-old and starting it again |
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| 01:48.40 | snowbird | is lenny newer than 2.6 kernal |
| 01:48.51 | zinx | mu |
| 01:50.23 | abrotman | snowbird: which kernel do you want ? |
| 01:50.35 | snowbird | 2.6 |
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| 01:51.25 | abrotman | etch has 2.6 |
| 01:51.36 | Daveman | Hi abrotman :) |
| 01:51.45 | abrotman | hi Daveman |
| 01:51.47 | snowbird | yeah i know that i wonder if lenny wil have newer |
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| 01:52.30 | snowbird | i also wounder if when lenny stable i do upgrade if gui wil go poof |
| 01:53.00 | lymeca | I have a folder full of MP3s and FLACs and I'd like to transcode them all to PCM .wav files. What command/tool can I use to do this? |
| 01:53.59 | jamonation | lymeca: find -exec |
| 01:54.23 | jamonation | then use lame and flac after -exec |
| 01:54.32 | abrotman | or xargs |
| 01:54.37 | jamonation | that works too |
| 01:54.45 | jamonation | less escaping that way I suppose |
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| 01:56.24 | snowbird | why stream tuner wont conect wonder whats up |
| 01:57.47 | Bogus8 | I can't understand it... X was running just find... I shut down and restarted and now it won't load |
| 01:57.58 | Bogus8 | I think the nvidia drivers might be puking |
| 01:58.07 | Bogus8 | there are no EE's in the xorg log |
| 01:58.25 | snowbird | bogas go into shell tell it do a disk check file system |
| 01:58.35 | Bogus8 | there are a couple of WW's but that shouldn't matter and it's just missing fonts and such... I looked at the old log and it had them also |
| 01:58.47 | lymeca | flac -d *.flac |
| 01:58.48 | abrotman | Bogus8: did you paste your log for us to look at ? |
| 01:58.54 | lymeca | That works for all the FLACs which is quite nice. |
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| 01:59.08 | lymeca | Unfortunately lame requires both the input MP3 and the output WAV to be specified |
| 01:59.11 | Bogus8 | abrotman: I can... working in shell only so give me a sec |
| 01:59.15 | lymeca | So lame --decode *.mp3 does not work |
| 01:59.26 | lymeca | And neither does 'lame --decode *.mp3 *.wav' |
| 01:59.54 | lymeca | I'm guessing the shell isn't smart enough to make the first wildcard * string apply to every corresponding .wav |
| 02:00.05 | snowbird | any one else useing stream tuner |
| 02:00.09 | GhostlyDeath | I think it depends on the program |
| 02:00.12 | GhostlyDeath | using * |
| 02:00.23 | snowbird | ooops |
| 02:01.24 | Bogus8 | abrotman: http://gilligan.kicks-ass.org:1023/Xorg.0.log |
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| 02:01.44 | abrotman | gilligan ? |
| 02:02.09 | Bogus8 | abrotman: yeah, like I said, I'm in console mode |
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| 02:02.14 | Haris | Hello folks |
| 02:02.20 | JeffH | anyone here used dd-wrt? |
| 02:02.22 | Haris | I'm installing debian in a MS VS vm |
| 02:02.23 | Bogus8 | so I dumped it on my www server |
| 02:02.32 | snowbird | dvd burner yes |
| 02:02.43 | abrotman | Bogus8: but .. gilligan ? :) |
| 02:02.57 | Bogus8 | abrotman: it's my nick in real life... what's a brother to do |
| 02:03.06 | abrotman | oh .. sorry |
| 02:03.10 | abrotman | erm .. not that it's bad! |
| 02:03.21 | Lektron | newbie question: What's the diff between this channel and the #debian on OFTC? |
| 02:03.28 | Haris | I have another box at office, which is an old branded P-III server with 2 scsi hdd hooked into a raid. When I install debian on it, debian will auto configure the smp and raid functionality and disk synchronization, right? |
| 02:03.35 | Bogus8 | abrotman: used to have a hat like that back in 93' and the name just stuck |
| 02:03.52 | Haris | oftc? |
| 02:04.02 | abrotman | Lektron: nothing |
| 02:04.11 | abrotman | Haris: it's real hardware raid right ? |
| 02:04.26 | Lektron | ? |
| 02:04.43 | abrotman | Lektron: just different IRC networks |
| 02:04.46 | Haris | abrotman: Yep |
| 02:05.07 | abrotman | Haris: it should very likely just work .. you could try a liveCD to get a better idea .. and yes .. SMP should just work |
| 02:05.28 | snowbird | that link open? |
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| 02:05.54 | Bogus8 | snowbird: I'm supposed to unmount when I check the filesystem huh? |
| 02:06.08 | abrotman | Bogus8: so what happens when you try to start X ? |
| 02:06.10 | snowbird | id use live cd |
| 02:06.27 | snowbird | thats how i did it last time |
| 02:06.43 | snowbird | find a cd u file type and give it a wirl |
| 02:06.50 | Bogus8 | abrotman: it flickers some garbage video (like when the card is initializing) a couple times then goes black... I hit right or left arrow and it shows the "x couldn't start" error and asked if i want to view the log |
| 02:06.55 | abrotman | Bogus8: i wonder if your card is now legacy ? |
| 02:07.08 | Bogus8 | abrotman: this is a pretty new laptop |
| 02:07.12 | abrotman | did you change any thing about the drivers ? |
| 02:07.15 | Bogus8 | abrotman: Toshiba Tecra Me |
| 02:07.18 | Bogus8 | m3* |
| 02:07.33 | abrotman | so you did the nvidia one-liner ? |
| 02:07.36 | abrotman | and X used to work ? |
| 02:07.48 | snowbird | bogas when u get x can u send me log id like to look cant load u server |
| 02:08.01 | abrotman | does X work with vesa ? |
| 02:08.07 | abrotman | !tell snowbird about u |
| 02:08.22 | Bogus8 | abrotman: I installed the driver from nvidia (which had to build.. I am running compiz) and yes X was working fine... have restarted X a few times since |
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| 02:08.35 | W0RLD | hello, everyone! |
| 02:08.42 | abrotman | Bogus8: anything in dmesg or syslog or messages ? |
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| 02:08.49 | acu07 | I need to do some video chat what is the program to do it? |
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| 02:08.56 | W0RLD | hello, Seb! |
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| 02:08.59 | Lektron | hello WORLD (sorry, couldn't resist) |
| 02:09.02 | W0RLD | :D |
| 02:09.05 | snowbird | Bogus8: atleast is nv |
| 02:09.15 | rodT | lol |
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| 02:09.55 | danf_1979 | is there any app to help with model analysis? |
| 02:10.03 | Haris | I have debian 4 dvd1 mapped to the cdrom in the MS VS vm |
| 02:10.18 | Haris | (debian setup running) Its been scanning cdrom for the past 5 mins. |
| 02:10.36 | tnks | We have some DVDs of pictures in a CR2 format. I don't know much about these formats, but I'm having a hard time finding a viewer. Any suggestions? |
| 02:10.43 | Bogus8 | snowbird: why not... port giving you problems? |
| 02:10.46 | Haris | It says Scanning /cdrom/pool/main/l... |
| 02:11.00 | Haris | Should I give it more time or restart the setup? |
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| 02:11.05 | snowbird | don't know bogas just sits and says stopped |
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| 02:11.14 | snowbird | could be my router |
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| 02:11.41 | snowbird | id let it finish |
| 02:11.55 | snowbird | il take a hour to scan |
| 02:12.03 | abrotman | Bogus8: did you maybe change a bios setting ? |
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| 02:12.47 | abrotman | Bogus8: how are you starting X ? |
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| 02:13.46 | acu07 | any chat program for linux in which you can use webcam? |
| 02:13.54 | barker | hey |
| 02:14.03 | snowbird | lots |
| 02:14.17 | snowbird | amsn for one gaim |
| 02:14.35 | Bogus8 | abrotman: umm gdm ... pretty much stock debian install w/ desktop enviroment checked... obviously I've tweaked the xorg file for compiz but as I said it WAS working |
| 02:14.38 | tnks | acu07: isn't that what gnomemeeting does? (it changed it's name, though) |
| 02:14.45 | Haris | Does it take that much time in scanning the dvd? |
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| 02:15.05 | Bogus8 | abrotman: no, no bios change |
| 02:15.18 | abrotman | Bogus8: tried using vesa ? |
| 02:15.19 | snowbird | kids in house? |
| 02:15.20 | mrsno | tnks from a digital camera perhaps? |
| 02:15.29 | snowbird | made wife>? |
| 02:15.36 | abrotman | !info ekiga etch |
| 02:15.38 | dpkg | ekiga: (H.323 and SIP compatible VOIP client), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.0.3-6 (etch), Packaged size: 5369 kB, Installed size: 12560 kB |
| 02:15.55 | acu07 | tnks: OK that's the one - I used it before - I use now KDE and I forgot about gnome-meeting |
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| 02:16.18 | Bogus8 | abrotman: hmm, not sure how or why... tail of syslog coming up |
| 02:16.19 | snowbird | u can rone gnome meeting in kde |
| 02:16.29 | Bogus8 | abrotman: http://gilligan.kicks-ass.org:1023/syslog.txt |
| 02:17.00 | mrsno | tnks if it is indeed for canon images, there are many apps that should read that format, try searching |
| 02:17.23 | snowbird | tying to connect |
| 02:17.33 | abrotman | Bogus8: is there a GDM log ? |
| 02:18.31 | Bogus8 | abrotman: nothing usefull |
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| 02:18.47 | abrotman | Bogus8: try with vesa .. just to rule out nvidia issues |
| 02:18.58 | Bogus8 | abrotman: how do I change that |
| 02:19.12 | Bogus8 | I'm sure it will be an nvidia problem so yeah, let's make sure |
| 02:19.25 | tnks | mrsno: yeah... they are from some pro camera. I think it was a Canon. |
| 02:19.58 | mrsno | i know this is debian tnks but http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=251074 has a few linux apps mentioned in the thread, that read it fine |
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| 02:20.38 | abrotman | acu07: gnomemeeting is now called ekiga |
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| 02:20.52 | abrotman | Bogus8: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg .. or just edit your X conf file with a text editor |
| 02:21.32 | Bogus8 | abrotman: I'll just edit the xorg... do I just need to say "driver "vesa"" ? |
| 02:21.38 | acu07 | abrotman: thanks I got it - I am trying now to see what is Symmetric NAT and how to let my router go trough |
| 02:21.44 | abrotman | Bogus8: that should work |
| 02:21.51 | abrotman | acu07: and now you know more than i do :) |
| 02:22.39 | Bogus8 | abrotman: yep, nvidia problem |
| 02:22.54 | tnks | mrsno: yeah... I'm downloading the bibblelabs product now. |
| 02:22.58 | abrotman | Bogus8: try to reinstall the driver |
| 02:23.02 | tnks | there's a .deb for it. |
| 02:23.08 | danf_1979 | is there any ERD database designer app out there? |
| 02:23.11 | Bogus8 | abrotman: cool... just re-run the driver script? |
| 02:23.29 | abrotman | Bogus8: no idea .. i avoid nvidia hardware :) |
| 02:23.40 | tnks | Did M$ sue GnomeMeeting? Was that the reason for the name change? |
| 02:23.44 | abrotman | Bogus8: or /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner .. if your hardware is too new .. might not work |
| 02:23.50 | abrotman | tnks: i don't think so |
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| 02:24.32 | Bogus8 | abrotman: it's not TOO new... the laptop is like 1 year old? |
| 02:24.45 | abrotman | Bogus8: might work |
| 02:24.50 | abrotman | !tell Bogus8 about nvidia one-liner |
| 02:25.38 | Bogus8 | abrotman: Ah.. nah, I have to have the driver from nvidia to run compiz |
| 02:25.42 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 02:25.51 | abrotman | Bogus8: alternately .. ask #nvidia |
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| 02:28.32 | Haris | I'm at the debian installer main window, how the heck do I move forward to get the installation going? |
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| 02:29.06 | Haris | will it give me the next button only AFTER I configure ALL the components there? |
| 02:29.45 | Coweater | pick the next component you haven't done |
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| 02:37.35 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 02:37.36 | dpkg | <debianstarfish> can i get to the internet from here? |
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| 02:40.21 | cTATUK | !qotd0 |
| 02:40.21 | dpkg | <Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it |
| 02:40.25 | sparr | is there a way to get apt-get to install from a local package file? i want apt's handling of conflicts/replaces, but without using a repository |
| 02:40.46 | abrotman | create a local repository |
| 02:40.52 | cTATUK | gdebi-gtk ? |
| 02:41.00 | sparr | abrotman: a way simple enough for me to tell other people |
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| 02:41.11 | cTATUK | gdebi-gtk blah.deb |
| 02:41.15 | Haris | I'm installing debian on a MS VS vm. I have debian 4 dvd 1 mapped as the cdrom/dvd. During 'Load installer components' it fails after reading some components. It says 'If retrying does not work, you should check the integority of your CD-ROM'. How do I go by it? |
| 02:41.20 | abrotman | sparr: dpkg -i <file> && apt-get -f install ? :) |
| 02:41.24 | abrotman | !repository |
| 02:41.25 | dpkg | from memory, debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 02:41.45 | Haris | debian 4 dvd 1 iso mapped as the cdrom/dvd+ |
| 02:41.58 | abrotman | Haris: why not just use the netinst ? |
| 02:42.04 | sparr | abrotman: in the instant case, dpkg refuses to even try the install because the package conflicts with an installed package |
| 02:42.15 | Haris | abrotman: Because it didn't detect a lan card :( |
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| 02:42.22 | abrotman | Haris: blame MS .. |
| 02:42.37 | Haris | yep blame canada |
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| 02:42.42 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:42.50 | abrotman | !sing blame canada |
| 02:42.51 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
| 02:43.10 | Haris | Can I skip this step |
| 02:43.10 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 02:43.40 | simonrvn | don't let the canuckians see that ;) |
| 02:44.07 | simonrvn | they'll start making dumb yankee jokes |
| 02:44.22 | abrotman | they'd be justified |
| 02:44.30 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 02:45.59 | simonrvn | abrotman: i have a bad shoulder. when it gets chilled, it starts hurting like hell, like a pinched nerve or something. so i can totally grok a sore shoulder :/. |
| 02:46.22 | abrotman | simonrvn: i think it's from sailing or maybe the painting .. we'll see if it persists |
| 02:46.40 | simonrvn | probably both |
| 02:47.07 | simonrvn | accumulated damage or something |
| 02:47.28 | simonrvn | brb, restarting x |
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| 02:49.01 | Haris | like pastebin.ca for text posts, where can we post images to show? |
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| 02:49.51 | Bogus8 | abrotman: I got it back up... didn't change the xorg.conf or anything... guess the driver just got hosed |
| 02:50.03 | Haris | This is the error I get in vm: Review: http://www.harisweb.net/dsetuperror.png |
| 02:50.10 | abrotman | Bogus8: that's crappy .. but whatever |
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| 02:50.29 | abrotman | !paste |
| 02:50.30 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 02:50.30 | Bogus8 | abrotman: thanks for the help |
| 02:50.35 | abrotman | Bogus8: have a nice day! |
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| 02:51.04 | simonrvn | re |
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| 02:51.13 | Haris | comparing md5sums |
| 02:51.47 | Haris | the md5sums match |
| 02:52.10 | Bogus8 | abrotman: Oh, I'm not going anywhere... :p |
| 02:52.21 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 02:54.39 | snowbird | bogas get x back |
| 02:57.33 | daniel-laptop | hrm im having an issue with amd64 and 4gb_ ram |
| 02:57.56 | daniel-laptop | works fine with 2gb ram,b ut whenever i add more, i get errors when doing stuff, like aptitute install linux-source |
| 02:58.08 | abrotman | !memtest |
| 02:58.09 | dpkg | from memory, memtest is http://www.memtest.org/ . Also check out http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/, or check out the packages memtest86 and memtest86+, or "aptitude install memtest86+" and read /usr/share/doc/memtest86+, or for cpu temperature testing use the cpuburn package |
| 02:58.43 | daniel-laptop | tried that no errors |
| 02:58.55 | angasule | hello, I'm installing debian in a laptop that is connected to a desktop through a serial cable, and the desktop is in turn connect to my router/modem, but I don't know how to set up the routing from the debian installer, |
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| 02:59.09 | angasule | I went to a shell but route doesn't seem to do squat |
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| 03:02.27 | snowbird | what has voice chat for msn or yahoo |
| 03:02.49 | semprix | snowbird, try using yahoo messenger |
| 03:03.01 | snowbird | under what client |
| 03:03.05 | snowbird | gaim? |
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| 03:03.39 | semprix | snowbird, http://messenger.yahoo.com/unix.php |
| 03:05.13 | Haris | why the heck doesn't debian configure a default lan card driver against any lan card when it doesn't have the drivers for some card? |
| 03:05.26 | snowbird | sempix i gt errors |
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| 03:05.59 | Coweater | there would have to be a default lan card driver |
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| 03:06.38 | Haris | It doens't configure one in the VM I'm installing it in |
| 03:07.41 | snowbird | semprix: |
| 03:07.58 | mick_laptop | volume group "debian" not found.... shit |
| 03:08.21 | mick_laptop | it loads everything |
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| 03:09.01 | mick_laptop | but the screen goes black |
| 03:09.52 | Haris | What's annoying me is, that its saying cd integrity is bad IN the vm, when its a dvd 1 iso image I have mapped against the cd and the dvd file is ok. The file where it says it failed integrity check, I can extract that whole folder with winrar just fine |
| 03:10.23 | Haris | what in the name of #@$@#$@#$ is it doing :| |
| 03:10.30 | Shadow_mil | ok, I once tried Debian's net install, using the stable, I had lots of problems with the GUI and with the fact every package was like 5 years out of date, people say their is a unstable version of debian that has newer packages, I wish to give this a try, does someone have a link? |
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| 03:10.57 | RichardStallman | Hello, I am Richard Stallman. |
| 03:11.15 | Shadow_mil | Hello RichardStallman |
| 03:12.39 | Firefishe | When doing a # apt-get -f dist-upgrade (going from sarge to etch), I get some locale errors, located here: http://pastebin.com/m3b3da946 |
| 03:12.45 | Haris | How do I start a netinst? |
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| 03:13.39 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
| 03:14.05 | Firefishe | Has anyone had trouble with locales when upgrading to etch from sarge? |
| 03:16.41 | holycow | hi guys |
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| 03:17.12 | holycow | how do you scp a file to a server where the the ssh port has been changed? |
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| 03:17.37 | Phil4 | man scp |
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| 03:19.04 | Firefishe | I get this error in various portions of the upgrade process: perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 03:19.04 | Firefishe | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
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| 03:21.09 | Firefishe | Sorry about that...got the wrong window |
| 03:21.36 | Firefishe | I am getting this error in a currently running upgrade from sarge to etch: http://pastebin.com/m14e785e |
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| 03:22.59 | JIFFILUBE | i need help |
| 03:23.01 | simonrvn | and don't paste again |
| 03:23.09 | simonrvn | !tell JIFFILUBE -about ask |
| 03:23.15 | simonrvn | !tell Firefishe -about paster |
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| 03:23.16 | RichardStallman | * AlsoRichardStall is now known as Sweetandy |
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| 03:23.17 | RichardStallman | <holycow> hi guys |
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| 03:23.18 | JIFFILUBE | fu |
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| 03:23.24 | RichardStallman | err |
| 03:23.28 | JIFFILUBE | u fucking asshole cock sig |
| 03:23.46 | Sweetandy | yay |
| 03:23.51 | angasule | charming :) |
| 03:23.55 | RichardStallman | Who kicked me? |
| 03:24.02 | angasule | !tell angasule -about ask |
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| 03:24.19 | RichardStallman | Who is JIFILUBE? |
| 03:24.36 | snowbird | wow curseing |
| 03:24.44 | simonrvn | RichardStallman: you did it to yourself |
| 03:24.46 | snowbird | a curser |
| 03:24.47 | Haris | It fails when it tries to fetch the additional component: disk-client |
| 03:24.58 | Haris | Can it be skipped? |
| 03:25.39 | snowbird | simonrvn |
| 03:25.50 | holycow | danke, man to the resuce |
| 03:25.54 | holycow | oh that sounds oh so wrong |
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| 03:30.02 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 03:30.15 | simonrvn | O_o |
| 03:30.37 | mick_laptop | http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8156&postcount=6 <--- i'm running debian and this seems to apply to me, there is no fix listed. it seems to be a problem w/ hotplug - how do i turn that off? |
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| 03:31.03 | mick_laptop | i have a brand new hp laptop (so i don't htink it is a messed up hdd |
| 03:31.13 | GhostlyDeath | What's the difference between g++ and g++.real? |
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| 03:32.15 | simonrvn | it doesn't like you anymore? |
| 03:33.02 | GhostlyDeath | in fact, I can't use g++! |
| 03:33.54 | simonrvn | GhostlyDeath: the latter doesn't look like a file debian would set up |
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| 03:35.18 | GhostlyDeath | heh everything except g++ was installed synaptics probably unchecked it on a conflict |
| 03:35.52 | pepesmith | hello all, i want to use a 64 bit based debian on my intel 64 bit core duo machine...is ia64 iso appropriate for this? |
| 03:36.00 | simonrvn | GhostlyDeath: so reinstall it |
| 03:36.18 | GhostlyDeath | simonrvn: How do I reinstall something that isn't installed? |
| 03:36.20 | Coweater | pepesmith: ia64 is for itanium, pretty sure you want amd64 |
| 03:36.22 | simonrvn | pepesmith: no, amd64 is. ia64 is for itanium |
| 03:36.47 | ProBush | I AM LEAVING! BYE! |
| 03:36.47 | pepesmith | i see..so its amd64, i thought amd64 is just for amd based machine only.. |
| 03:36.49 | pepesmith | thanks |
| 03:36.51 | ProBush | Support Bush though! |
| 03:36.55 | simonrvn | GhostlyDeath: well it did something... and the --reinstall flag won't matter |
| 03:37.02 | ProBush | Wait, no. |
| 03:37.07 | ProBush | I had a question about Ubunu. |
| 03:37.09 | simonrvn | ProBush: do you have a debian question? |
| 03:37.15 | ProBush | Yes. |
| 03:37.17 | GhostlyDeath | now I get this heh "tools/fileutil.cpp:1: error: CPU you selected does not support x86-64 instruction set" |
| 03:37.18 | ProBush | One about Ubuntu. |
| 03:37.31 | GhostlyDeath | this x86 program does not support the x86_64 instruction set! |
| 03:37.32 | simonrvn | ProBush: that isn't debian, now please leave or be quiet |
| 03:37.39 | mick_laptop | figured it out :) |
| 03:37.41 | ProBush | Is this the right channel for Debian based distributions? |
| 03:37.45 | simonrvn | mick_laptop: cool |
| 03:37.58 | simonrvn | !ops ProBush is trolling |
| 03:37.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: ProBush is trolling |
| 03:37.59 | ProBush | Where do I go? |
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| 03:38.06 | mick_laptop | edited the grub config - added noapic acpi=off nolapic (since it is an acpi problem) |
| 03:38.07 | GhostlyDeath | ProBush: Ubunutu split away from Debian so no |
| 03:38.22 | simonrvn | ubuntu did not split away |
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| 03:38.29 | LoRez | simonrvn: looked like he needed to be directed to #ubuntu |
| 03:38.46 | GhostlyDeath | yes they have |
| 03:39.30 | simonrvn | LoRez: /lastlog ProBush, TheWisestHuman, and RichardStallman |
| 03:39.52 | LoRez | took you long enough then |
| 03:39.55 | simonrvn | i can smell their troll flesh |
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| 03:40.04 | simonrvn | wanted rpoof ;) |
| 03:40.08 | simonrvn | proof even |
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| 03:40.59 | speaker219 | Guys, is it just me, or is debain faster than Ubuntu even though ubuntu is based on it? it seems ~iso~i much faster. |
| 03:41.44 | predder | speaker219, sounds like flamebait to me. Are our responses recorded and pasted in #ubuntu? |
| 03:42.02 | simonrvn | someone here was trolling #kubuntu earlier... |
| 03:42.11 | speaker219 | wait what do you mean :P i feel stupid |
| 03:42.23 | speaker219 | i was just trying to compliment debian hides in corner |
| 03:42.50 | yetifoot | maybe its something to do with the kernel setup, and what programs get auto installed that causes a difference (if any) between the two |
| 03:43.03 | speaker219 | yeah i've recently tried alot of distros, SuSE, ubuntu, xubuntu, kubuntu, debian |
| 03:43.12 | simonrvn | speaker219: no worries. just had several morons troll here |
| 03:43.14 | speaker219 | and debian is by far the fastest of them all |
| 03:43.22 | speaker219 | and i have a quick question |
| 03:43.32 | Haris | what kernel comes with debian 4 out of the box? |
| 03:43.38 | predder | 2.6-18-2 |
| 03:43.41 | speaker219 | this is my question |
| 03:43.42 | simonrvn | 2.6.18 IIRC |
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| 03:44.06 | speaker219 | when i go into terminal, and type a common command that is definately installed/there, like modprobe, it says "command not found" |
| 03:44.08 | predder | sorry, it's -4 not -2 |
| 03:44.11 | speaker219 | unless i use a root terminal |
| 03:44.36 | Firefishe | I'm currently running an upgrade to etch from sarge 3.1, kernel 2.6.8-2-386. Is there anything I should be concerned about before rebooting? |
| 03:44.36 | ricky | speaker219: /sbin/ isn't in your path. |
| 03:44.36 | speaker219 | yeah |
| 03:44.36 | speaker219 | that's what i figured |
| 03:44.37 | simonrvn | speaker219: PATH; the sbin paths aren't in your PATH |
| 03:44.37 | speaker219 | how to i permanately change that |
| 03:44.37 | ricky | speaker219: What shell? |
| 03:44.42 | predder | speaker219, assuming you're using bash all you have to do is modify your .bashrc |
| 03:44.55 | GhostlyDeath | When I get "/usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `somefilename.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output" can I force it? |
| 03:44.55 | Firefishe | I'm primarily concerned about the kernel. |
| 03:45.02 | speaker219 | i think theres something like export PATH=/usr/sbin or something like that but i want it to be permanent (i'm a sort of noob to debian) |
| 03:45.27 | simonrvn | GhostlyDeath: no. chroot it (64 bit chroot in 32bit userland or vice versa) |
| 03:45.32 | ricky | PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin and export PATH, I think. |
| 03:45.50 | ricky | Then again, I don't use bash, so I could be wrong. |
| 03:45.54 | GhostlyDeath | simonrvn: and how do you suppose I do that? |
| 03:45.59 | simonrvn | no that's correct |
| 03:46.02 | speaker219 | wait, so how do i do that |
| 03:46.10 | predder | speaker219, in your home directory you should have a .bash_profile file |
| 03:46.20 | predder | edit that file and put what ricky just told you in there |
| 03:46.21 | simonrvn | the PATH args don't change, just the way it's set change |
| 03:46.41 | speaker219 | will it only take eeffect after reboot? |
| 03:46.56 | ricky | speaker219: When you start a new shell (no reboot required) |
| 03:46.58 | predder | no, it will take effect when you make a new shell |
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| 03:47.03 | predder | (beaten :P) |
| 03:47.09 | simonrvn | no, source the file you changed in that shell. any subsequent shells you open will have the new value |
| 03:47.20 | GhostlyDeath | simonrvn: there is no chroot |
| 03:47.34 | predder | to edit your existing shell just run that line within the shell |
| 03:47.36 | ricky | predder: Oooh, both beaten by simonrvn :) |
| 03:47.42 | speaker219 | it still doesn't work |
| 03:47.43 | simonrvn | GhostlyDeath: uh yeh, that's why you make one |
| 03:47.52 | simonrvn | GhostlyDeath: no i don't do that |
| 03:47.55 | acu07 | ekiga is cool - it is almost like microsoft netmeeting - minus screensharing and whiteboard |
| 03:48.11 | simonrvn | GhostlyDeath: use debootstrap to make yourself an appropriate chroot |
| 03:48.31 | predder | speaker219, in the new shell first "echo $PATH" to see if /sbin and /usr/sbin is in there |
| 03:48.43 | GhostlyDeath | I just want to compile some code... |
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| 03:48.57 | predder | if it is then what you did _did_ work, the problem will be you dont have appropriate permission to view the binaries |
| 03:48.57 | speaker219 | predder, |
| 03:49.03 | simonrvn | GhostlyDeath: different sub-arch, it won't work |
| 03:49.03 | speaker219 | i just modified that file somebody said |
| 03:49.13 | predder | speaker219, .bash_profile? |
| 03:49.33 | speaker219 | and i ran printenv | grep PATH and it returned PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games |
| 03:49.44 | speaker219 | do i have to resart the computer? |
| 03:49.46 | simonrvn | GhostlyDeath: at least not a 64bit binary in a 32bit userland won't. |
| 03:49.49 | ricky | speaker219: Definitely not. |
| 03:49.58 | simonrvn | !reboot |
| 03:49.58 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
| 03:50.02 | predder | speaker219, as ricky said. You do not have to reboot |
| 03:50.07 | GhostlyDeath | I'm compiling a 32-bit program in 64-bit Debian |
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| 03:50.21 | predder | speaker219, did you open a new shell? |
| 03:50.25 | speaker219 | how do i do that |
| 03:50.25 | RockerMONO | is their Debian software for programming a Basic STAMP2? |
| 03:50.28 | simonrvn | GhostlyDeath: it'll end up being 64bit if you're using 64bit build stuff |
| 03:50.33 | ricky | speaker219: Or . ~./bashrc |
| 03:50.39 | GhostlyDeath | simonrvn: That is what I intend |
| 03:50.46 | predder | speaker219, well what program are you using to do shell stuff? |
| 03:50.47 | simonrvn | ok, so do so ;) |
| 03:50.51 | speaker219 | by the way, at the bottom of my .bash_profile file it has PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin |
| 03:50.52 | ricky | speaker219: If that/opening a new shell doesn't work, pastebin your .bashrc and see if any bash users might spot something. |
| 03:50.57 | yetifoot | RockerMONO, is that some kind of PIC chip? |
| 03:51.07 | simonrvn | GhostlyDeath: what are you trying to build anyay? (just curious) |
| 03:51.09 | speaker219 | you'll probably hate me for this, but i'm using gnome terminal |
| 03:51.14 | GhostlyDeath | ZSNES |
| 03:51.20 | simonrvn | nods |
| 03:51.23 | predder | speaker219, no one hates you :) |
| 03:51.29 | predder | just close and re-open the application |
| 03:51.33 | RockerMONO | yetifoot: yea, an $83 one... =P if i cant find Debian software for it i have the "official" software on a Winblows computer |
| 03:51.33 | GhostlyDeath | http://sourceforge.net/projects/zsnes |
| 03:51.35 | speaker219 | i already did :O |
| 03:51.36 | simonrvn | speaker219: nah, no biggie |
| 03:51.42 | speaker219 | i even tried opening xterm |
| 03:51.55 | speaker219 | and printenv | grep PATH still is the same |
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| 03:51.56 | speaker219 | :( |
| 03:52.01 | mick_laptop | i'm kind of pissed that i just reinstalled again - to find it is a problem w/ hp + acpi... is it a big loss to be running 32bit on a 64 bit box? |
| 03:52.04 | simonrvn | speaker219: did you save? |
| 03:52.14 | speaker219 | yeah i'm not that stupid now ;) |
| 03:52.15 | RockerMONO | mk |
| 03:52.17 | RockerMONO | switching |
| 03:52.19 | RockerMONO | computers |
| 03:52.20 | RockerMONO | :) |
| 03:52.21 | simonrvn | mick_laptop: depends what you want to do |
| 03:52.23 | speaker219 | i don't get it |
| 03:52.24 | predder | speaker219, echo $PATH rather than doing the printenv |
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| 03:52.34 | simonrvn | !tell PalaWan_ -about root |
| 03:52.35 | predder | it should show the same result but it's shorter :) |
| 03:52.42 | mick_laptop | simonrvn: desktop + development |
| 03:52.52 | predder | ricky, I think the correct place for modifying your path is bash_profile not bashrc as the bash_profile file already includes a commented out PATH modification with debian |
| 03:52.52 | speaker219 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.02 | simonrvn | mick_laptop: some shit won't work, like flash java and some other stuff |
| 03:53.16 | predder | speaker219, okay, so paste us the file (NOT IN HERE!) |
| 03:53.23 | predder | !tell speaker219 about pastebin |
| 03:53.23 | speaker219 | the bash_profile |
| 03:53.29 | speaker219 | yeah |
| 03:53.39 | ricky | predder: Aha, OK- I didn't know (tcsh user :)) |
| 03:53.40 | speaker219 | i was gonna use pastebin.ca ;) |
| 03:53.50 | simonrvn | tcsh! |
| 03:54.11 | speaker219 | here's the file: |
| 03:54.15 | speaker219 | http://pastebin.ca/655202 |
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| 03:55.03 | matadon | Is there a way via udev to force-name USB disks to /dev/sd{foo} ? |
| 03:55.47 | simonrvn | probably. tell me when you find out? ;) |
| 03:55.50 | et | i use things like: |
| 03:55.54 | et | SYSFS{manufacturer}=="TOSHIBA", SYSFS{serial}=="200603235382", NAME="%k", SYMLINK+="usbhd%n" |
| 03:56.08 | speaker219 | so can anyone help? my .bash_profile: http://pastebin.ca/655202 |
| 03:56.14 | et | in a file in /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
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| 03:56.24 | matadon | et: Ok, that looks like it'll get the raw disk and all the partitions -- correct? |
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| 03:57.01 | et | yes. but they'll get symlinked, was quite a time ago that i set it up |
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| 03:57.43 | matadon | et: Good enough; my current rule seems to miss the raw device, but I think I know where I made the error. |
| 03:57.43 | speaker219 | Can anyone help me with my path problem? :( |
| 03:58.00 | predder | speaker219, I just tried what you did and it didn't work on my system either =\ |
| 03:58.02 | sid | I want to setup a cms for a podcast/radio show.. doesn't have to have everything and the kitchen sink, something with a decent security track record.. anyone have any suggestions? |
| 03:58.12 | simonrvn | speaker219: sec |
| 03:58.13 | kramed | what can I do if a package fails to configure properly and purging the package doesnt allow the script to succeed? |
| 03:58.18 | speaker219 | ok |
| 03:58.37 | Guerin | kramed: fix the script |
| 03:58.54 | kramed | is there a log that can tell me exactly what is failing? |
| 03:58.56 | speaker219 | it's really starting to irritate me, i like debian alot better than ubuntu, but some minor annoyances like me not being in the sudoers file by default, and sbin not being in path by default like it is in ubuntu |
| 03:59.03 | simonrvn | speaker219: you need to export PATH now, after line 18 in the pastebin |
| 03:59.16 | speaker219 | what do you mean simonrvn? |
| 03:59.19 | simonrvn | speaker219: like this (no quotes): 'export PATH' |
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| 03:59.35 | ricky | The thing is, you shouldn't need /sbin/ files in your path, as most things there are more useful as root. |
| 03:59.42 | Guerin | speaker219: those are features, not bugs. Especially the PATH thing. |
| 03:59.45 | simonrvn | line 18. PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin |
| 03:59.45 | speaker219 | so just after the PATH= thing? |
| 03:59.53 | predder | simonrvn, that doesn't work, I just tried it |
| 03:59.59 | speaker219 | gah |
| 04:00.03 | simonrvn | uh, it should |
| 04:00.17 | speaker219 | can i paste 3 lines |
| 04:00.20 | Guerin | no |
| 04:00.20 | predder | you'll also note the if statement before it doesn't require an export |
| 04:00.25 | ricky | speaker219: By the way, use sudo -i command to use root's PATH when you run commands with sudo. |
| 04:00.26 | Guerin | speaker219: /msg dpkg paster |
| 04:00.28 | simonrvn | he's concatenating the PATH it should |
| 04:00.53 | speaker219 | i don't know what your talking about |
| 04:00.55 | speaker219 | i just want this to work |
| 04:01.17 | simonrvn | ricky: some, some are useful to glance at things, as in a "view mode" like route, ifconfig, etc. |
| 04:01.26 | speaker219 | i can't even do like sudo modprobe [something] it sitll says command not found. i know i could do sudo su |
| 04:01.31 | speaker219 | but i'd really rather not |
| 04:01.33 | Guerin | speaker219: it sounds like you want to go back to ubuntu. |
| 04:01.39 | speaker219 | no way |
| 04:01.44 | speaker219 | i'm already all set up :P |
| 04:01.45 | simonrvn | speaker219: sudo -i modprobe themodule |
| 04:01.45 | ricky | speaker219: If you missed it before, sudo -i command |
| 04:01.52 | speaker219 | oh |
| 04:01.57 | Guerin | speaker219: just export PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:$PATH |
| 04:02.01 | simonrvn | for example |
| 04:02.16 | simonrvn | kwe kwe Guerin |
| 04:02.19 | predder | speaker219, that's very weird when I run sudo it checks /sbin for me |
| 04:02.30 | Guerin | simonrvn: kia ora bro |
| 04:02.32 | simonrvn | i set mine up very custom ;) |
| 04:02.41 | simonrvn | Guerin: :) |
| 04:03.06 | ricky | predder: Actually, it does for me too- I had never noticed that before. |
| 04:03.20 | speaker219 | now im confused |
| 04:03.25 | predder | ricky, you've been typing -i all this time? :) |
| 04:03.41 | predder | speaker219, so are we. What version are you running? etch? |
| 04:03.55 | ricky | predder: I probably sudo su - more than I should ;) |
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| 04:04.02 | simonrvn | me i added the sbin paths to my PATH... this is way back when sudo didn't do root's PATH |
| 04:04.14 | speaker219 | at the bottom of my ~/.bash_profile, i have export PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:$PATH . it works if i paste that command into terminal, but only for that session. shouldn't it work for every session since its in my bashprofile? |
| 04:04.14 | simonrvn | i think they might've removed it again.. |
| 04:04.14 | predder | ricky, fair enough, I sudo bash all the time too |
| 04:04.30 | speaker219 | I'm using etch by the way |
| 04:04.31 | Guerin | if you sudo sh all the time, you should be using su |
| 04:04.41 | simonrvn | speaker219: bash_profile is only read in a lgoin shell |
| 04:04.46 | simonrvn | login* |
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| 04:04.53 | speaker219 | huh? |
| 04:05.02 | simonrvn | e.g., bash -l |
| 04:05.05 | predder | whoops, I forgot that |
| 04:05.06 | ricky | Uh-oh |
| 04:05.07 | speaker219 | how can i get around that? is there another file? |
| 04:05.07 | Guerin | speaker219: you want to edit bashrc too |
| 04:05.08 | runev | isn't there some sort of light file manager for, sort of what nautilus for gnome is, without the dusins of deps? looking for a more "windowish" way to manage files, without kde or gnome installed. |
| 04:05.14 | simonrvn | speaker219: .bashrc |
| 04:05.19 | predder | sorry speaker219! that's my fault |
| 04:05.28 | speaker219 | so if i put it in bashrc would it work |
| 04:05.33 | simonrvn | that's read upon every invocation of an interactive shell |
| 04:05.35 | Guerin | speaker219: suck and see |
| 04:05.36 | ricky | Guerin: Does that mean that it'd take effect after he relogged in completely? |
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| 04:05.45 | predder | ricky, that's correct |
| 04:05.48 | Guerin | ricky: yep |
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| 04:05.55 | dansushi | i'm having trouble with my sound |
| 04:05.57 | speaker219 | nicceee |
| 04:05.59 | speaker219 | thanks alot guys ;) |
| 04:06.00 | predder | so a reboot would've fixed it technically :P |
| 04:06.03 | simonrvn | you can just do . ~/.bashrc after you're done |
| 04:06.04 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:06.07 | ricky | Hehe. |
| 04:06.09 | speaker219 | It's officially perfect :P |
| 04:06.12 | matadon | et: Thanks, that worked like a charm. |
| 04:06.16 | simonrvn | np |
| 04:06.20 | dansushi | does anyone here know how to set up the alsa sound base? |
| 04:06.33 | dansushi | and one's sound card? |
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| 04:07.25 | predder | dansushi, check out the alsaconf binary |
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| 04:07.55 | simonrvn | package =) |
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| 04:08.04 | ProBush | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.15 | ProBush | Is that from Debian? |
| 04:08.19 | simonrvn | arg, i bet that mirror is the slow one.... |
| 04:08.21 | speaker219 | The only thing that ever kept me away from linux (every distro) was that my laptop brightness was way too bright. I tried tons of things, (yes i know about FN keys) and none of them worked. today i was googling and found a windows program that did it (my intel driver on windows came with software that did it) so i said i might as well try it so i installed wine and ran the software, and it actually was able to control my gamma, bright |
| 04:08.22 | speaker219 | contrast. seems weird that it is able to do that |
| 04:08.22 | Guerin | it's from freenode |
| 04:08.27 | [gtime]silent | how would one run a binary and give it utmost system resource priority? |
| 04:08.31 | ProBush | Okay thanks. |
| 04:08.32 | Guerin | ProBush: ask in #freenode |
| 04:08.37 | ProBush | Okay. |
| 04:08.46 | simonrvn | ProBush: back for more? |
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| 04:08.52 | Guerin | [gtime]silent: man nice |
| 04:08.52 | ProBush | Bye :( |
| 04:08.53 | dansushi | predder, i'm not that experienced.. i've set it up before using some configuration tool, i just forgot how |
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| 04:09.06 | dansushi | er, which tool and hoe to get to it |
| 04:09.12 | dansushi | *how |
| 04:09.19 | simonrvn | sudo apt-get install alsaconf |
| 04:09.20 | speaker219 | i don't really get how a windows software ran in wine can modify brightness in X... but it worked |
| 04:09.33 | simonrvn | speaker219: mods X's gamma |
| 04:09.50 | speaker219 | xgamma? does it do brightness too? |
| 04:09.55 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 04:09.59 | predder | speaker219, there's actually a number of programs in various GNU/Linux distros that will get those pesky laptop keys working |
| 04:10.00 | speaker219 | hwo |
| 04:10.02 | speaker219 | how? |
| 04:10.09 | simonrvn | it's not really brightness, that's something else |
| 04:10.13 | speaker219 | i mean how do i do brightness with xgamma? |
| 04:10.16 | simonrvn | xgamma -help ;) |
| 04:10.19 | speaker219 | yeah i did that |
| 04:10.27 | Guerin | gamma isn't brightness |
| 04:10.31 | simonrvn | so read it ;) |
| 04:10.39 | speaker219 | all the commands are is -display -quiet -screen -gamma |
| 04:10.42 | speaker219 | and rgbgamma |
| 04:10.50 | speaker219 | which is not brighness |
| 04:10.55 | Guerin | and if you try to treat it as brightness you might get some bizarre results |
| 04:11.01 | simonrvn | gamma isn't brightness |
| 04:11.02 | speaker219 | yeah |
| 04:11.07 | speaker219 | that's what i don't understand |
| 04:11.16 | speaker219 | how a windows tool was able to control X's brightness |
| 04:11.23 | Guerin | well, that can't be addressed in an irc channel |
| 04:11.27 | speaker219 | it's definately not gamma, because i've tried xgamma before |
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| 04:11.33 | Guerin | read up on gamma, or ask #winehq |
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| 04:12.30 | speaker219 | heh |
| 04:12.36 | speaker219 | i don't always need answers, just happy it works |
| 04:13.08 | predder | speaker219, have a bit of an apt-cache search session with laptop and your laptop brand eg the i8kutils package does things for Dell laptops etc |
| 04:13.15 | Guerin | ignorance can indeed be strength |
| 04:13.29 | speaker219 | i don't know how it works, because when i run the program and change the brightness, it noticeable changes, but when i run xgamma the gamma values stay 1,1,1,1 so it amazes me :P |
| 04:13.40 | predder | I used the pbuttonsd package for getting the function keys on my mac working (but that's PPC arch only iirc) |
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| 04:14.47 | speaker219 | another thing i was curious about, i'm trying out KDE, and the Fn+VolumeUp / voldown keys no longer work |
| 04:14.50 | Bogus8 | does apt have azureus web UI on a repos? |
| 04:15.16 | [gtime]silent | nice: cannot set niceness: Permission denied |
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| 04:15.24 | [gtime]silent | how can I allow users to use nice? |
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| 04:16.35 | speaker219 | huh, so what was that thing to fix Fn keys? specifically fn volume keys |
| 04:16.43 | Firefishe | How do I upgrade from a 2.6.8-2-386 kernel to the highest stable kernel in etch? |
| 04:16.58 | [gtime]silent | apt-cache search image |
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| 04:17.02 | [gtime]silent | find it |
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| 04:17.31 | [gtime]silent | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade might do it though |
| 04:17.33 | [gtime]silent | dont remember |
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| 04:19.33 | Firefishe | [gtime]silent: okay, just did it. I see some "linux..." stuff with a lot of kernel choices for 2.6.18. Which one though? |
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| 04:20.08 | Firefishe | [gtime]silent: Is there a meta package I can select that will update the kernel automagically for me? |
| 04:20.36 | [gtime]silent | fire, like i said, try "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" first |
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| 04:22.22 | Firefishe | [gtime]silent: I've already done that. I can't go any further with it that way. |
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| 04:23.39 | [gtime]silent | k, try apt-cache search image and look for the highest numbered 386 kernel |
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| 04:25.10 | Guerin | Firefishe: yes, that metapackage is called linux-image-2.6-$arch |
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| 04:25.29 | [gtime]silent | ayy |
| 04:26.02 | Firefishe | [gtime]silent: I can't find a 386 anything, but I did find this: linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 04:26.05 | JeffH | Anyone know a good wireless router that does gigabit, wireless-n, dyndns and static dhcp addresses? |
| 04:26.23 | [gtime]silent | Firefishe, what cpu are you using? |
| 04:26.31 | Firefishe | P4 |
| 04:26.43 | [gtime]silent | 686 will work |
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| 04:27.18 | mfrisch | ls |
| 04:27.19 | Firefishe | [gtime]silent: don't get me wrong, I *will* upgrade to a dual core sooner or later, but money...you know. *sigh* More will come :) |
| 04:27.37 | [gtime]silent | hehe yea i hear that |
| 04:27.56 | Firefishe | [gtime]silent: thanks for the help, I'll try the 686 entry. I'm assuming it's "apt-get <that kernel image>" ? |
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| 04:28.06 | [gtime]silent | apt-get install <pkg name> |
| 04:28.15 | Firefishe | gotcha |
| 04:28.18 | Firefishe | standard |
| 04:28.21 | aleksanteri | how can i get the nvidia-kernel-100.14.11 package? |
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| 04:28.41 | speaker219 | I'm back :P |
| 04:28.51 | DavidProck1981 | haw can i make it so my usb memory sticks will automount |
| 04:28.57 | speaker219 | quick question, any way to enable a boot splash screen like in Ubuntu? |
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| 04:30.03 | yetifoot | speaker219, i'd imagine that's somewhere in the options for grub, or whatever bootloader you use |
| 04:30.52 | Firefishe | [gtime]silent: I suppose I'll want to d/l the header and source files, too, eh? |
| 04:31.07 | [gtime]silent | it should be auto-installed as a dependency |
| 04:31.27 | Bogus8 | anyone using azureus and the web interface... I'm looking for a howto |
| 04:31.48 | Bogus8 | I want to set it up and configure it then copy that configuration to my headless system and run only the web interface |
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| 04:36.03 | speaker219 | anyone still here? |
| 04:36.08 | speaker219 | need help with something |
| 04:36.27 | Gokee2 | We can`t help you if we don`t know your problem :) |
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| 04:37.06 | speaker219 | asked in #winehq about the brightness thing and somebody said wine does brightness/contrast using Xvidmode. i asked how would i control this without actually using wine to open a windows program and they said you should ask that in the channel for your distro (?) |
| 04:37.57 | simonrvn | speaker219: xgamma, your monitor settings, etc. |
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| 04:38.40 | speaker219 | xgamma is gamma |
| 04:38.44 | speaker219 | not brightness... |
| 04:38.47 | Rickenbacker4003 | Hi, can I set a top speed to apt-get?? |
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| 04:39.55 | DavidProck1981 | im not using a desktop enviroment to make it easy, How can i make any usb drive automount??? |
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| 04:41.42 | DavidProck1981 | i see a package called usbmount but that is not the command for it |
| 04:41.51 | Firefishe | [gtime]silent: Well, here goes. Reboot will tell if it did or failed ;) *shudders in abject terror* |
| 04:42.10 | Firefishe | ;) |
| 04:42.12 | vy2wu | #join /hamradio |
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| 04:42.15 | Firefishe | bbl |
| 04:42.20 | Firefishe | thanks for your help |
| 04:42.24 | Firefishe | :) |
| 04:43.35 | UEnigma | Hi channel. I'm having an issue with playing audio. I was wondering if someone might know the solution. |
| 04:43.49 | Bogus8 | Looking to configure azureus on my GUI laptop then move the config to my headless box and run it just as a daemon and access it via www plug in... kind of lost |
| 04:44.01 | yetifoot | UEnigma, what kind of issue? do you have alsa installed? etc, more info would be nice |
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| 04:44.48 | UEnigma | Sometimes, randomly, when I start my computer (laptop) and I try to play audio files there is no sound. "yes | aplay" doesn't even play anything. |
| 04:45.30 | UEnigma | Sometimes I just need to restart and it works, but it's been an issue that I had in Ubuntu as well as Debian. |
| 04:45.50 | yetifoot | hmm, odd, could it be something like artsd interfering? I've seen that before, where someone had to keep pkill arts to get it going |
| 04:46.24 | UEnigma | I'm not sure. I am not familiar with artsd. |
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| 04:46.55 | yetifoot | do you have KDE installed? |
| 04:47.02 | UEnigma | No, I use gnome. |
| 04:47.06 | UEnigma | or Fluxbox. |
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| 04:47.18 | dansushi | does anyone here know how to set up the alsa sound base? |
| 04:47.23 | dansushi | and one's sound card? |
| 04:47.35 | yetifoot | ok, so it shouldn't be artsd getting in the way, the fact it's intermittent doesn't sound good to me, not sure what to try |
| 04:47.37 | cast | run alsaconf |
| 04:48.04 | dansushi | ah... |
| 04:48.07 | dansushi | as root, i see |
| 04:48.09 | dansushi | thanks |
| 04:48.14 | dansushi | i;m an idiot |
| 04:48.16 | speaker219 | GNOOOOOOME |
| 04:48.20 | dansushi | i was looking for something like that as a user |
| 04:49.56 | UEnigma | I tried the alsaconf just now also... went through the config process... the audio is still not playing. |
| 04:51.03 | cast | UEnigma: turn up the volumes with alsamixer, |
| 04:51.13 | UEnigma | I did. :( |
| 04:51.50 | cast | :( |
| 04:52.06 | UEnigma | As a note: you guys are awesome. I really appreciate the effort the debian (and linux) community puts into helping others. |
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| 04:52.46 | cast | you have only the one sound card? |
| 04:52.49 | UEnigma | If this were Windows, it would be "reinstall the drivers". No? Format and install the os again. |
| 04:52.50 | mesof | brasero isn't finding the dvd burner drive, what should i do? |
| 04:53.22 | UEnigma | cast, yup. It's a lappy top. So it might be seeing my modem as a audio device? |
| 04:53.37 | UEnigma | It has a 56K built in |
| 04:53.38 | cast | hmm, dunno. i'm too poor to use laptops |
| 04:53.45 | cast | there is a #alsa channel |
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| 04:54.02 | Thasp | sometimes a screen window I am in freezes, and it stays on the screen |
| 04:54.04 | UEnigma | O RLY?! Alright, I'll give that a look see. |
| 04:54.21 | Thasp | when I hit alt left or alt right, it's still there even after I kill both the irssi, and screen process |
| 04:54.51 | Thasp | if I type ps xa | grep login, and kill all the instances, I'll get a normal "debian login:" prompt again - but for this particular instance, I cannot get rid of the irssi screen window :( |
| 04:55.14 | Thasp | I don't see it under ps xa | grep irssi, screen, or login, yet it's there.. staring me in the face, wasting one of the login screens |
| 04:55.28 | Thasp | is there a way to get rid of this frozen screen instance and get a login terminal back? |
| 04:55.39 | Gokee2 | Is FAM normally running in debian? Can it moniter changed in a FAT file system over the network? Like with smb mount? |
| 04:55.47 | Gokee2 | changes* |
| 04:55.56 | Thasp | the usual ctrl-c and ctrl-d do nothing against this beast |
| 04:56.09 | Thasp | which is unfortunate :( |
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| 04:57.14 | Gokee2 | Thasp, Why not killall -9 it? |
| 04:58.02 | cast | you didn't hit ctrl-A ctrl-S s did you? |
| 04:58.25 | cast | i used to do something like that by accident, thought i had frozen screen :( |
| 04:59.01 | ricky | When I have a frozen screen, I usually try ctrl-a q and ctrl-a x. |
| 04:59.08 | ricky | One of them might help. |
| 04:59.46 | xerophyte | does anybody know why am i getting this error http://www.pastebin.ca/655226 from vanila kernel ? |
| 05:00.16 | Thasp | Gokee2: I don't have the killall command |
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| 05:00.23 | ricky | Or c-a c-s, actually. |
| 05:00.37 | mike-ekim | for crontab, to run a command as root, how would it prompt for root when running an automatic command? |
| 05:00.41 | itchi | Thasp: It is ctrl-a d to detach the stuff. Then you will be able to re attach it where you want |
| 05:01.03 | Thasp | I'll try those now, itchi |
| 05:01.03 | Gokee2 | Thasp, Really? How do you live without it? And how did you get debian installed without it? |
| 05:01.25 | Thasp | Gokee2: I missed it since I went from gentoo to debian |
| 05:01.31 | Thasp | Gokee2: I installed debian with 3 floppies |
| 05:01.37 | Thasp | maybe 2 |
| 05:01.43 | Thasp | I was missing a ton of stuff |
| 05:01.52 | itchi | Thasp: Or simply, re attach it in a console with screen -dr |
| 05:02.28 | Thasp | itchi: it's not there |
| 05:02.46 | itchi | Thasp: What mean you exactly with it's not there? |
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| 05:02.56 | Thasp | there are 2 screens to be reattached to, but not the frozen one |
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| 05:03.14 | Thasp | you know when you hit alt-left or alt-right, and you're on the box itself, and you have 5 or 6 different logins you can run at once? |
| 05:03.15 | Gokee2 | Thasp, Ah cool, I don`t think I have a floppy drive on any of my computers anymore. Although I had a 5 and 1/2 working a while back to copy some old disks to HD... |
| 05:03.27 | Thasp | even though the screen process is not running, it's still there |
| 05:03.29 | itchi | Thasp: I dunno then, i may kill it with -9 |
| 05:03.38 | Thasp | itchi: how? there's no process :( |
| 05:03.43 | Thasp | I tried killing all the login processes |
| 05:03.47 | Thasp | all the screen processes, and it remains |
| 05:03.53 | Thasp | I don't even have a PID number for it |
| 05:04.04 | itchi | Thasp: Weird |
| 05:04.08 | Thasp | yeah :( |
| 05:04.12 | Thasp | It has top secret information on it |
| 05:04.16 | itchi | I need to go to my stupid job right now |
| 05:04.17 | Thasp | so I'd kile to kill it |
| 05:04.29 | UEnigma | Hahha |
| 05:04.30 | Thasp | but I don't want to reboot and ruin the uptime :/ |
| 05:04.52 | Thasp | what does killall come with anyway? |
| 05:05.09 | Thasp | is there a package it usually comes with? I'm surprised I lack that command :( |
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| 05:05.42 | Thasp | hmm |
| 05:05.46 | UEnigma | kill -9 `ps -A -o "PID="` |
| 05:05.46 | Thasp | I may just have to reboot |
| 05:05.51 | UEnigma | ^ Murders everything. |
| 05:05.58 | Thasp | I don't want to murder everything |
| 05:06.00 | Thasp | I miht as well reboot ten |
| 05:06.06 | UEnigma | Hm... |
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| 05:06.14 | Thasp | I have routing services running |
| 05:06.27 | Thasp | I just want to clear the screen with the top secret information |
| 05:06.28 | graytron | Thasp: psmisc |
| 05:06.31 | UEnigma | Isn't there a point and click kill process? |
| 05:06.50 | UEnigma | I know it exists in twm. |
| 05:06.57 | Thasp | psmisc = command not found |
| 05:07.03 | graytron | Thasp: apt-cache show psmisc |
| 05:07.17 | Noborusan | can i ask an english question ? |
| 05:07.39 | graytron | Noborusan: you already did |
| 05:07.47 | UEnigma | Hahaha |
| 05:07.54 | Noborusan | hi graytron |
| 05:08.23 | Noborusan | graytron, how would you call this in english that do not allow access pics from other sites ? |
| 05:08.30 | Thasp | graytron: I even apt-get installed it, and yet psmisc = command not found. it's not in /usr/bin either |
| 05:09.00 | graytron | Noborusan: blocking? |
| 05:09.13 | Thasp | the screen is not totally dead - if the internet disconnects, it says "eth0 link down" on the bottom of it |
| 05:09.16 | graytron | Thasp: howabout killall then? |
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| 05:10.03 | graytron | Thasp: Thasp> what does killall come with anyway? |
| 05:10.05 | Thasp | killed everything but that login :( |
| 05:10.14 | graytron | Thasp: answer: psmisc |
| 05:10.23 | Thasp | here is what I am thinking |
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| 05:10.33 | Thasp | if the internet gfoes down, "eth0 link down" shows up in that screen |
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| 05:10.50 | Thasp | if I plug and unplug the cat5 enough, it'll say "link up, link down", and eventually push the top secret information off the screen |
| 05:10.58 | Thasp | I can live with one screen of random net messages |
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| 05:11.19 | Thasp | killall -9 screen and killall -9 login didn't do it |
| 05:11.30 | Noborusan | graytron, i don't get it |
| 05:11.58 | Thasp | time to unplug and plug the cat5 in |
| 05:12.15 | graytron | Thasp: what are you trying to achieve? |
| 05:12.16 | Noborusan | graytron, i mean, for example there is a file at abc.com/foo.png , can only access to this file from abc.com ,so link to this file from other site will not work |
| 05:12.30 | Noborusan | graytron, anti-leech ? |
| 05:13.31 | Thasp | graytron: I am trying to get rid of the info ont he screen |
| 05:13.43 | Thasp | it froze in the middle of me giving someone sensitive information |
| 05:14.14 | graytron | Noborusan: sounds to me like abc is blocking the use of its resources on other sites |
| 05:14.44 | graytron | Thasp: a screen with no getty? |
| 05:15.09 | Thasp | getty? |
| 05:15.10 | Noborusan | graytron, yeah, so how do you define this thing in english ? |
| 05:15.11 | graytron | Thasp: and with screen do you mean something that usually runs a getty? |
| 05:15.26 | Thasp | I don't know what a getty is |
| 05:16.15 | graytron | Thasp: the process running on your virtual consoles (alt-f1 through alt-f6) which accepts logins |
| 05:16.25 | Thasp | yes |
| 05:16.34 | Thasp | I ran screen from one of these so I could reconnect to it at work |
| 05:16.42 | JeffH | Is there an effective way to configure my e-mail client (Thunderbird) to access my local e-mail server from the internal ip when I'm connected to my network and through the external ip when connecting from the public network? |
| 05:16.49 | Thasp | and now it is frozen. screen freezes a lot, but the above defined methods usually get rid of the frozen instance. |
| 05:17.18 | graytron | Thasp: and "screen -d" doesn't help? |
| 05:17.45 | graytron | Thasp: or "screen -wipe" (which kills the screen) |
| 05:17.47 | Thasp | screen -d has not helped :( |
| 05:17.57 | Thasp | I have killall -9 screen as well |
| 05:18.16 | JeffH | anyone? |
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| 05:19.34 | graytron | Thasp: have you tried pressing ctrl-q ? |
| 05:19.54 | Thasp | I have tried ctrl-q, and many other combinations |
| 05:20.07 | Thasp | ctrl-f, ctrl-u, ctrl-c, ctrl-k, ctrl-a, ctrl-c, ctrl-d, ctrl-s |
| 05:20.37 | ricky | ctrl-a ctrl-q? |
| 05:20.55 | ricky | Or perhaps try asking around in #screen- it's probably a FAQ there. |
| 05:21.15 | Thasp | if killall-9 screen doesn't do it, what would they do? |
| 05:21.20 | Thasp | err, killall -9 |
| 05:21.29 | Thasp | they're no longer in the equation |
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| 05:22.36 | graytron | Thasp: are you sure you still have a getty running on that tty? |
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| 05:22.59 | Thasp | graytron: I still have no idea what a getty is |
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| 05:23.15 | Thasp | there's a getty gas station a mile from here |
| 05:23.15 | graytron | Thasp: try "deallocvt" ? |
| 05:23.44 | Thasp | it didn't error, but didn't do anything either. |
| 05:24.10 | graytron | Thasp: you still have that "irssi/screen thing" visible? |
| 05:24.20 | Thasp | yeah, it's right on the crt in front of me |
| 05:24.25 | Thasp | looking and laughing at me |
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| 05:25.52 | graytron | Thasp: howabout you kill the getty process running on that tty then? |
| 05:26.10 | graytron | kill -HUP <pid_of_the_getty_on_that_tty> |
| 05:26.21 | Thasp | I don't know the pid of the getty on that tty, or what getty is |
| 05:26.31 | Thasp | except for a local gas station |
| 05:26.59 | graytron | Thasp: ps -A|grep getty |
| 05:27.01 | simonrvn | ps auxw | grep getty |
| 05:27.05 | simonrvn | heh |
| 05:27.15 | Thasp | hm |
| 05:27.19 | Thasp | killall -9 getty ? |
| 05:27.22 | simonrvn | no |
| 05:27.24 | Thasp | I'm not taking any chances |
| 05:27.42 | simonrvn | -9 is so brutal when -2 or -HUP will do |
| 05:27.50 | Thasp | -9 keeps it real |
| 05:27.56 | simonrvn | no it doesn't |
| 05:28.07 | Thasp | killall -9 getty did it |
| 05:28.09 | Thasp | all owned :D |
| 05:28.15 | simonrvn | more likely to get a zombie process |
| 05:28.22 | Thasp | zombies? |
| 05:28.29 | simonrvn | erm, excuse me, much more |
| 05:28.41 | Thasp | I don't want a computer with zombies |
| 05:28.56 | Thasp | my last one had horses, which is why I stopped using XP ICS as a router |
| 05:29.01 | simonrvn | a process that has died, wasn't claimed by the parent properly, and sits there doing nothing. man ps |
| 05:29.05 | Thasp | horses sound better than zombies by far. |
| 05:29.21 | simonrvn | then init takes parenthood of it |
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| 05:29.33 | Thasp | init = foster parent? |
| 05:29.35 | Thasp | or abusive uncle |
| 05:29.41 | Thasp | oh well, thanks for the help |
| 05:29.43 | Thasp | :D |
| 05:29.46 | simonrvn | pretty much (the former) |
| 05:30.00 | el_isma | Quick question: In Theory, if I want to reach further away, which wifi channel should I use? The high-freq ones or the low-freq ones? |
| 05:30.35 | GhostlyDeath | is there a way to set my keyboard option up so I can use <some key combo>-<number key (NOT on the number pad)>? |
| 05:30.38 | simonrvn | the high ones have increased range and more power hunger |
| 05:31.24 | el_isma | simonrvn: ok. Thanks! |
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| 05:31.30 | simonrvn | ok |
| 05:31.33 | el_isma | now, in practice, does it make a difference? |
| 05:31.41 | el_isma | channel 1 vs chan 11? |
| 05:31.45 | simonrvn | dunno |
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| 05:32.07 | micros1 | can anyone teach me how to use gnupg |
| 05:32.21 | simonrvn | micros1: plenty of decent docs online |
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| 05:36.10 | micros1 | can gnupg decrypt passwd? |
| 05:38.16 | GhostlyDeath | In GNOME, how do I enter in special characters without using the number pad? |
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| 05:39.35 | GhostlyDeath | on an older install I could just do Ctrl+Shift and the main number keys but now that does not work |
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| 05:40.15 | Guerin | micros1: gnupg is not a haxx0r tool |
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| 05:40.24 | Guerin | it's an anti-haxx0r tool |
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| 05:40.43 | jherrera | !hi |
| 05:40.44 | dpkg | hello, jherrera |
| 05:41.23 | micros1 | is there a tool to decrytp passwd? |
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| 05:41.42 | n3kl | micros1: john |
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| 05:41.56 | cast | painfully slow against md5 |
| 05:42.00 | n3kl | micros1: ps, passwd is already dectypted |
| 05:42.11 | n3kl | its shadow you are looking for |
| 05:42.40 | GhostlyDeath | damnit |
| 05:42.53 | micros1 | whats a shadow if u dont mind |
| 05:43.03 | n3kl | micros1: cat /etc/shadow |
| 05:43.13 | n3kl | n3kl: pastebin please |
| 05:43.17 | n3kl | jk |
| 05:43.19 | GhostlyDeath | How do I insert special characters without a character map? |
| 05:43.21 | Guerin | !wayttd micros1 |
| 05:43.21 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, micros1? |
| 05:43.32 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: /msg dpkg extended chars |
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| 05:44.17 | GhostlyDeath | Guerin: nope |
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| 05:44.29 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: worksforme |
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| 05:44.48 | n3kl | micros1: download and install john the ripper, and then you will run something like john shadow passwd, and it will combine the usernames and passwords from the files and attemtp the match md5 salts against itself and perfrorm the crack |
| 05:44.53 | GhostlyDeath | I'm talking stuff like ∌↠⇶✛▔▙▇┠|
| 05:45.10 | GhostlyDeath | not the composing |
| 05:45.15 | micros1 | im searching for tool to decrypt password in user accounts |
| 05:45.25 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: oh. I can get them using urxvt. |
| 05:45.32 | Kevin` | micros1 john. |
| 05:45.40 | micros1 | john? |
| 05:45.41 | Guerin | micros1: we're not going to help you crack someone's account. Piss off. |
| 05:45.55 | Kevin` | micros1 n3kl actually mentioned it, actually |
| 05:46.06 | micros1 | im not tryng to crack someones account |
| 05:46.09 | Guerin | sure |
| 05:46.29 | Kevin` | micros1 this is not something you should normally be doing without a very odd requirement. why are you doing it? :) |
| 05:46.45 | n3kl | micros1: you will need their shadow and passwd files to crack. This is totally legit. |
| 05:46.51 | Guerin | because he wants to get at his elder brother's pr0n stash |
| 05:47.02 | Kevin` | Guerin good enough :) |
| 05:47.02 | GhostlyDeath | Guerin: I used to be able to press Ctrl+Shift or Ctrl+Shift and use the number keys (above the QWERTY row) and I could put in Unicode characters |
| 05:47.04 | n3kl | imho |
| 05:47.16 | GhostlyDeath | err |
| 05:47.18 | GhostlyDeath | Alt+Shift* |
| 05:47.18 | micros1 | its for my system administration subject |
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| 05:47.46 | micros1 | and i will use knoppix for that |
| 05:47.51 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: use urxvt and you will again. |
| 05:47.56 | micros1 | not on debian |
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| 05:48.04 | Guerin | micros1: oh, so you're getting us to do your homework. |
| 05:48.05 | Kevin` | micros1 fyi, cracking a linux password will take quite a long while compared to current attacks available for ntlm and similar. if you are doing it for demonstration, use a short password, 4 or 5 letters, so it only takes a little while |
| 05:48.09 | Guerin | Classy. |
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| 05:48.26 | GhostlyDeath | Guerin: there another name for that? Synaptics can't find it |
| 05:48.29 | n3kl | micros1: make the password bob |
| 05:48.33 | n3kl | it will crack fast =] |
| 05:48.42 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: rxvt-unicode-ml, perhaps |
| 05:48.51 | el_isma | n3kl: "a" is even faster :P |
| 05:48.52 | micros1 | not really im looking for a tool Guerin |
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| 05:49.18 | Guerin | micros1: i suggest a mirror. |
| 05:49.39 | Guerin | isn't the point of homework that you do it yourself? |
| 05:50.03 | n3kl | el_isma: not on a dictionary attack |
| 05:50.05 | n3kl | =] |
| 05:50.21 | micros1 | sorry im just asking help |
| 05:50.25 | Kevin` | micros1 something you may not be aware of, is the password used for accounts isn't encrypted as such usually, it's hashed. you can't directly decrypt it. what the system does is encrypt it and compare the result against the encrypted text, it doesn't decrypt to check |
| 05:50.32 | el_isma | n3kl: lol. |
| 05:50.35 | Kevin` | micros1 if you didn't know that, it's a rather important distinction |
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| 05:50.52 | Firefishe | I just upgraded from Sarge 3.1 2.6.8-2-386 to Etch 2.6.18-4-686. My screen keeps blinking on and off, although my pure console screens don't. |
| 05:51.09 | Kevin` | micros1 the system itself cannot get the plaintext without brute forcing it |
| 05:51.18 | GhostlyDeath | Guerin: rxvt |
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| 05:53.43 | Firefishe | My xserver screen is blinking on and off. I'm using xserver-xorg and an ATI Radeon 9600/256mb agp card |
| 05:53.55 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: that's not the unicode version. |
| 05:54.04 | GhostlyDeath | Guerin: Still can't do it heh |
| 05:54.07 | Guerin | Firefishe: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 05:54.18 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: use the unicode flavour and you can |
| 05:54.27 | el_isma | Firefishe: have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 05:54.31 | GhostlyDeath | Guerin: but that's just a terminal emulator |
| 05:54.34 | Bogus8 | hmm, ok got azureus running in console mode.. but still can't see anything for the web plugin... it's in the config but no port open or anything |
| 05:54.40 | Firefishe | el_isma: yes...3 times ;) |
| 05:54.45 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: of course it is. |
| 05:54.54 | Firefishe | el_isma: also, my fonts look horrible. |
| 05:54.56 | GhostlyDeath | I used to be able to insert Unicode characters in any GNOME app |
| 05:55.03 | el_isma | Firefishe: which driver are you using? |
| 05:55.29 | Bogus8 | I got two other web servers running (one is apache2 the other is cherry.py) and they work fine (different ports of course) |
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| 05:55.38 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: you CAN insert them using the extended chars thing I shoed you before |
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| 05:55.53 | Firefishe | el_isma: the ATI driver that comes with xserver-xorg |
| 05:56.09 | GhostlyDeath | Guerin: but only in the teminal emulator |
| 05:56.12 | Bogus8 | I'm following the instructions from http://azureus.sourceforge.net/index_CVS.php |
| 05:56.13 | Kevin` | Guerin how's that? |
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| 05:56.32 | Firefishe | el_isma: but my screen keeps flashing black, then back to normal...it's driving me batty! |
| 05:56.34 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: no, you're not paying attention. |
| 05:56.35 | mesof | can anyone here tell me how to properly create a shortcut for iceweasel to open a link in the main menu? |
| 05:56.38 | Guerin | Kevin`: how's what? |
| 05:56.50 | Kevin` | Guerin type unicode stuff |
| 05:56.57 | yigal_ | does anyone know if there is a service like pandora or last.fm that can easily be used via the command line? |
| 05:56.59 | Guerin | Kevin`: /msg dpkg extended chars |
| 05:57.12 | Guerin | using the compose key |
| 05:57.15 | Kevin` | aac |
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| 05:57.40 | GhostlyDeath | Kevin`: I used to be able to press Ctrl+Shift then using the numbers above the QWERTY row to insert unicode characters |
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| 05:57.53 | gonzaloaf | hi, why does icedove is stop downloading e-mails from my gmail account? |
| 05:58.30 | mesof | gonzaloaf: is it pop supported?, the gmail account? |
| 05:58.35 | Firefishe | el_isma: I'm wondering if the screen blinking is tied to mouse events. |
| 05:58.49 | GhostlyDeath | Kevin`: in any GNOME app - it would show the hex for the unicode underlined then it would create the character when the keys were released |
| 05:58.55 | mesof | gonzaloaf: are there any other applications that you think could be interfering with the port? |
| 05:58.55 | el_isma | Firefishe: which driver are you using? the free one or the ati one? |
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| 05:59.04 | GhostlyDeath | Kind of like Window's Alt+ NumPad keys |
| 05:59.27 | Firefishe | el_isma: the free one, I suppose. I didn't d/l anything from ati's site. |
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| 05:59.40 | mesof | Firefishe: it is, the mouse will wake the screen from dpms modes |
| 06:00.08 | Firefishe | mesof: so what's making my screen go black than back up again? spms? |
| 06:00.10 | Firefishe | dpms |
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| 06:00.20 | el_isma | Firefishe: you could try the other one... Though it never happened to me... |
| 06:00.24 | mesof | Firefishe: possibly dpms |
| 06:00.38 | simonrvn | GhostlyDeath: i just use my compose key =) |
| 06:00.40 | mesof | Firefishe: in terminal type xset dpms 0 999 0 |
| 06:00.46 | mesof | and see if that fixes it |
| 06:00.47 | GhostlyDeath | Compose cant do Unicode |
| 06:00.50 | gonzaloaf | mesof, yes it is pop supported, it was working good, I have observed the problem some days ago |
| 06:00.54 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: yes it FUCKING CAN |
| 06:00.56 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: that |
| 06:00.57 | Firefishe | mesof: k.. |
| 06:01.00 | simonrvn | GhostlyDeath: prove it |
| 06:01.06 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: that is my whole fucking point |
| 06:01.22 | mesof | Firefishe: what's setting it off? |
| 06:01.51 | GhostlyDeath | ComposeKey+Numbers does not create unicode characters |
| 06:01.53 | Firefishe | mesof: I don't know |
| 06:01.57 | simonrvn | GhostlyDeath: prove it |
| 06:02.03 | GhostlyDeath | ComposeKey+Shift+Numbers does not create unicode characters |
| 06:02.08 | simonrvn | GhostlyDeath: prove it |
| 06:02.12 | Firefishe | mesof: It's still doing it. |
| 06:02.14 | GhostlyDeath | Insert U+356C |
| 06:02.21 | GhostlyDeath | U+256C |
| 06:02.36 | Firefishe | mesof: it seems to have calmed it a bit |
| 06:02.38 | simonrvn | and what character is that? |
| 06:02.45 | simonrvn | that's meaningless |
| 06:02.46 | GhostlyDeath | type it and find out |
| 06:02.47 | gonzaloaf | mesof, the port is free for icedove, 995 right? |
| 06:02.53 | Firefishe | mesof: spoke too soon, still doing it |
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| 06:02.55 | simonrvn | 356C |
| 06:02.58 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 06:03.06 | slapfaceware | what's snmp for? |
| 06:03.09 | GhostlyDeath | Can you do that? |
| 06:03.13 | yigal_ | hey i was wondering is this most likely a utf issue? i use mpc and when i "cat *.m3u | grep http | mpc add" i can't play the radio station or what ever music but if i manually type in the url's mpc works? |
| 06:03.15 | GhostlyDeath | á <-- compose does that |
| 06:03.17 | Firefishe | el_isma: where can I get the ATI 9600 driver? ati.com? |
| 06:03.20 | simonrvn | yes |
| 06:03.32 | GhostlyDeath | But I do not need that |
| 06:03.37 | simonrvn | and that gets printed out in unicode |
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| 06:03.48 | GhostlyDeath | that's ASCII |
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| 06:04.18 | simonrvn | ascii range, so what? still displays in unicode. what's your point? |
| 06:04.26 | mesof | Firefishe: you need to figure out what's setting it off |
| 06:04.27 | el_isma | Firefishe: Try looking for "fglrx" packages. There are quite a lot of howtos in the net. I've never used ATI so I can't help you. |
| 06:04.32 | GhostlyDeath | As I said before, I want to type out every character between 0 and 65535 |
| 06:04.41 | GhostlyDeath | compose does not do that |
| 06:04.45 | simonrvn | why? do you actually need that? |
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| 06:04.49 | gonzaloaf | can anybody tell me another reason because icedove (thunderbird) stop downloading e-mails? |
| 06:04.54 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: you lose |
| 06:04.58 | GhostlyDeath | fuck you |
| 06:05.06 | GhostlyDeath | you dont understand what I am asking |
| 06:05.07 | mesof | gonzaloaf: some times isp's block common email ports as an attempt to stop spammers, I had to call my isp to have them unblock the email port |
| 06:05.16 | simonrvn | hrm, seems someone is losing temper |
| 06:05.17 | yetifoot | how would i find out if --cmd-owner is available on debian kernels? what i want to do is make it so only iceweasel and others can access port 80, and other stuff like that, is this feasible/worthwhile? |
| 06:05.23 | mesof | gonzaloaf: i know it sounds crazy, but it's true |
| 06:05.24 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: go and read the fucking file we explained to you. |
| 06:05.25 | gonzaloaf | mesof, can I change the 995 port? |
| 06:05.26 | yetifoot | in iptables i mean sorry |
| 06:05.28 | GhostlyDeath | I said I do not need some dumb accented characters - I have no use for them |
| 06:05.46 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: it documents the shortcut to those characters, and how to construct more. |
| 06:05.47 | simonrvn | GhostlyDeath: how about you answer my question? |
| 06:05.49 | mesof | gonzaloaf: what else is open? |
| 06:05.51 | yigal_ | i lose how do you kill off a ghost in irc, inst it: /msg NickServ id pass ? |
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| 06:05.59 | simonrvn | yigal_: ghost |
| 06:06.02 | dondelelcaro | GhostlyDeath: if you want to insert arbitrary unicode into a terminal, then you need to use a terminal that can do that, like rxvt-unicode. |
| 06:06.04 | GhostlyDeath | simonrvn: and what is that? |
| 06:06.09 | yigal_ | i lose how do you kill off a ghost in irc, inst it: /msg NickServ GHOST id pass ? excuse me |
| 06:06.11 | dondelelcaro | GhostlyDeath: otherwise use compopse. |
| 06:06.14 | simonrvn | .:02:04:45:. < simonrvn> why? do you actually need that? |
| 06:06.19 | gonzaloaf | mesof, amsn, xchat,iceweasek, gnome-terminal, amarok |
| 06:06.25 | yigal_ | simonrvn: yes |
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| 06:06.40 | simonrvn | yigal_: the nickserv command is ghost |
| 06:06.41 | mesof | gonzaloaf: i would first try closing all but the chat and test it |
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| 06:06.46 | GhostlyDeath | dondelelcaro: I'm talking about GUI apps |
| 06:06.49 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: in any case, your actual problem is about a feature which went missing from gnome - not an uncommon occurrence. So ask #gnome irc.gnome.org what happened. |
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| 06:07.21 | simonrvn | GhostlyDeath: .:02:04:45:. <simonrvn> why? do you actually need that? |
| 06:07.24 | yigal | hallah loo ya i have my name back |
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| 06:07.34 | mesof | if the problem continues i would continue to look for answers, but i would call the isp and complain of the problem i just told you about, about the email port being blocked |
| 06:07.36 | gonzaloaf | mesof, ok |
| 06:07.39 | GhostlyDeath | simonrvn: To insert special characters (including control characters)\ |
| 06:07.42 | simonrvn | simple yes or no will suffice |
| 06:07.47 | Firefishe | mesof: brb..need to restart my xwerver |
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| 06:07.49 | mesof | gonzaloaf: it's probably your isp |
| 06:08.01 | mesof | Firefishe: xwerver? |
| 06:08.05 | Firefishe | xserver |
| 06:08.07 | Firefishe | lol |
| 06:08.12 | mesof | lol, oh |
| 06:08.15 | gonzaloaf | mesof, I find it impossible |
| 06:08.16 | mesof | got confused |
| 06:08.19 | simonrvn | "i'm too good to type accents" |
| 06:08.31 | mesof | gonzaloaf: what do you find impossible? |
| 06:08.34 | simonrvn | flaming piece of ota |
| 06:08.39 | GhostlyDeath | simonrvn: I do not need accents at all |
| 06:08.54 | yigal | yigal: sometimes a French accent is nice |
| 06:09.13 | yigal | yigal: i personally have a mutt accent of a brit and an american |
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| 06:09.25 | GhostlyDeath | my Generic 104-key PC (US English) keyboard serves what I need to do |
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| 06:09.37 | gonzaloaf | mesof, that the ISP block the 995 port |
| 06:09.38 | yigal | GhostlyDeath: speaking like a champion |
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| 06:10.04 | mesof | gonzaloaf: it happened to me, i never thought it would be true, and it sounds weird, but it happened we first got dsl |
| 06:10.08 | simonrvn | champion of what? |
| 06:10.21 | mesof | gonzaloaf: did you have it working before with your current isp? |
| 06:10.30 | gonzaloaf | mesof, yes |
| 06:10.34 | yigal | simonrvn: champion of using the simple for what is necessary rather than the extreme |
| 06:10.53 | gonzaloaf | mesof, it works fine in my laptop i think |
| 06:11.12 | mesof | gonzaloaf: okay then i'd forget about the isp problem then |
| 06:11.24 | mesof | gonzaloaf: check over configurations |
| 06:11.26 | yigal | simonrvn: the difference between using compiz vs. a simple window manager |
| 06:11.39 | gonzaloaf | mesof, I have not modify anything |
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| 06:11.54 | GhostlyDeath | how unconvenient, I need to type in U then the numbers... |
| 06:12.03 | mesof | gonzaloaf: i would just check the configuration over |
| 06:12.03 | yigal | yigal_: hello |
| 06:12.32 | GhostlyDeath | very unconvenient |
| 06:12.40 | mesof | gonzaloaf: is the laptop running the same software? |
| 06:12.49 | gonzaloaf | mesof, maybe my internet connection is too slow? |
| 06:12.58 | gonzaloaf | mesof, yes debian lenny |
| 06:13.03 | mesof | gonzaloaf: it's not that |
| 06:13.04 | yigal | yigal_: gonzaloaf have you done a straight ping test |
| 06:13.18 | mesof | gonzaloaf: i mean i doubt it |
| 06:13.20 | gonzaloaf | yigal, ping who? |
| 06:13.20 | mesof | i doubt that to be the problem |
| 06:13.32 | yigal | gonzaloaf: perhaps google ? |
| 06:13.36 | yigal | gonzaloaf: debian |
| 06:13.39 | mesof | yes, google |
| 06:13.42 | GhostlyDeath | no compose needer either, my Ctrls are safe |
| 06:13.42 | mesof | try google |
| 06:13.47 | GhostlyDeath | needed* |
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| 06:14.12 | gonzaloaf | yigal, mesof , google responds the ping |
| 06:14.22 | yigal | gonzaloaf: good the question is how fast |
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| 06:14.35 | gonzaloaf | yigal, very slow |
| 06:14.43 | yigal | gonzaloaf: ah, sorry to hear that |
| 06:14.53 | gonzaloaf | yigal, 180ms average |
| 06:14.58 | mesof | gonzaloaf: are you downloading a lot? |
| 06:15.04 | gonzaloaf | mesof, nop |
| 06:15.23 | Gokee2 | Can anyone tell me how I can install unison-gtk without unison? |
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| 06:15.35 | yigal | gonzaloaf: that is slow but not that slow, what type of connection do you have? |
| 06:15.36 | mesof | gonzaloaf: maybe try calling gmail? |
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| 06:15.56 | mesof | gonzaloaf: are you a paying customer? |
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| 06:16.04 | gonzaloaf | mesof, nop |
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| 06:16.32 | mesof | than your only option left is to continue searching |
| 06:17.15 | gonzaloaf | yigal, mesof , when I ping gmail it takes 250ms average to answer |
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| 06:17.53 | xlotlu | bah, documentation bug |
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| 06:18.14 | DavidProck1981 | hay i got opera instazlled, How can i tell where hte Plugin directory is ??? |
| 06:18.50 | yetifoot | DavidProck1981, i'm just guessing, but maybe something like ~/.opera/ ? |
| 06:18.54 | xlotlu | or rather software bug, man interfaces actually says how pre-up should behave |
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| 06:19.11 | bzed | DavidProck1981: I think you can configure the directories where it looks for plugins somewhere in opera |
| 06:19.16 | DavidProck1981 | where do apps get installed at, thier data dir |
| 06:19.30 | DavidProck1981 | ok |
| 06:19.33 | bzed | DavidProck1981: ask the opera guys |
| 06:19.43 | mesof | gonzaloaf: it may be another application interfering |
| 06:20.11 | bzed | DavidProck1981: opera is nt shipped with debian becuase it's closed source - but if you';ve installed the .deb, dpkg -L will help you |
| 06:20.14 | mesof | gonzaloaf: did you try closing the other apps? |
| 06:20.28 | gonzaloaf | mesof, yes |
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| 06:20.51 | mesof | does it download some messages? |
| 06:21.06 | DavidProck1981 | oh cool thanks |
| 06:21.15 | gonzaloaf | mesof, with netstat I dont see any connection established in port 995 |
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| 06:21.24 | yigal | mmm, black hart stout is definately an improvement to mackeson stout |
| 06:21.48 | DavidProck1981 | /usr/lib/opera/plugins |
| 06:21.51 | gonzaloaf | mesof, I have another gmail account I it receives messages normally; |
| 06:21.52 | mesof | gonzaloaf: i'm not sure really |
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| 06:24.30 | yigal | does anyone know how to use vim to edit wordpress blogs using vim using vimpress or any other method for that matter? |
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| 06:26.07 | dondelelcaro | yigal: you'll probably want to use something like itsalltext or similar. |
| 06:26.08 | yigal | d |
| 06:26.24 | yigal | dondelelcaro: is that a text editor? |
| 06:26.50 | dondelelcaro | yigal: no, it's a firefox plugin |
| 06:27.03 | mesof | gonzaloaf: try copying that exact configuration |
| 06:27.07 | predder | it looks like the Debian installer makes the default partition table format "msdos"? Is this widely done/ |
| 06:27.14 | yigal | dondelelcaro: there is really no point in using that type of environment to type my blogs |
| 06:27.19 | mesof | gonzaloaf: and also do not use both at the same time |
| 06:27.19 | gonzaloaf | mesof, I did that |
| 06:27.55 | yigal | dondelelcaro: i am very comfortable with vim, and people have made "broken" scripts that do 1/2 the job i am simply trying to see if anyone has hacked on them |
| 06:28.08 | cast | yigal: well if you use w3m it can call vim as the external editor |
| 06:28.09 | yigal | dondelelcaro: but thank you |
| 06:28.35 | yigal | cast: interesting idea |
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| 06:29.04 | dondelelcaro | yigal: the point is that you just click a button and any text area can be edited in vim or emacs or nano or jed or whatever you prefer. |
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| 06:29.33 | yigal | dondelelcaro: yes, yes that is why it is interesting :) |
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| 06:30.22 | yigal | cast: i will look into it, i forgot my pasword and screen can only have so many terminals in it at once :) |
| 06:30.59 | Guerin | yigal: yeah, that number is about 128 |
| 06:31.11 | Guerin | hm, might be more, even |
| 06:31.31 | nvz | hmm what is my phone number.. |
| 06:31.49 | Guerin | nvz: 1-900-h0ts3x0r |
| 06:32.00 | JeffH | if I have a router that doesn't do DDNS, can I setup a Linux server to do it? How would the server know when the external IP on the router has changed? |
| 06:32.02 | nvz | heh |
| 06:32.16 | yigal | Guerin: lol, its good stuff |
| 06:32.19 | xand | JeffH: yes, use ddclient |
| 06:32.31 | Guerin | JeffH: why use a router? Just set a linux box up on the perimeter hand have it route packets. |
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| 06:32.44 | xand | you mean... a router |
| 06:33.08 | Guerin | xand: yes, but not a tacky little blackbox with a broken web UI |
| 06:33.13 | JeffH | Guerin: cause my router rght now has it built-in and I don't know how to do it on Linux. :) |
| 06:33.37 | Guerin | whatever tickles your fanny |
| 06:33.41 | JeffH | how does the client know when the router's external IP has changed? |
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| 06:34.39 | yigal | JeffH: the client doesn't care, but you can find out the information |
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| 06:35.02 | simonrvn | one of those linux boxen inside a tiny little case would be nice |
| 06:35.44 | yigal | simonrvn: a little dream come true |
| 06:36.00 | yigal | mesof: dwm |
| 06:36.03 | simonrvn | low power consumption for one thing |
| 06:36.29 | simonrvn | nice little freescale or arm thingy |
| 06:37.04 | nvz | I wonder why the scroll part of this touchpad doesn't work on synergy clients.. |
| 06:37.06 | yigal | simonrvn: yes, yes you remind me of the asus 200 dream machine laptop |
| 06:37.21 | yigal | simonrvn: s/200/$200 |
| 06:37.28 | Guerin | simonrvn: gumstix or something. Yeah. My p3 burns way too much power for something which just routes packets. |
| 06:37.32 | simonrvn | nvz: not very synergistic then is it? ;P |
| 06:37.33 | nvz | if I try to scroll with it, it shows the little scroll cursor in the center of the server, but doesnt scroll on the clients |
| 06:37.45 | Guerin | probably pay for itself over the course of a year |
| 06:37.45 | simonrvn | Guerin: something like |
| 06:37.48 | nvz | simonrvn: not at all. if I plug in a usb mouse the scrolling works on clients |
| 06:38.03 | nvz | simonrvn: which is why its puzzling me.. a scroll should be a scroll no matter what |
| 06:38.05 | yigal | Guerin: solar power? |
| 06:38.17 | nvz | simonrvn: something about the way the driver software is for the touchpad in windows must be fucked up |
| 06:38.20 | simonrvn | no just power savings |
| 06:38.31 | simonrvn | nvz: any surprise? ;) |
| 06:38.32 | Guerin | yigal: currently takes at least a decade to pay for itself. Peak oil might bring that down. |
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| 06:38.37 | nvz | simonrvn: no, I guess not |
| 06:38.51 | nvz | simonrvn: I haven't really been looking for bugs, but I' |
| 06:38.54 | nvz | ve found a ton |
| 06:39.02 | yigal | Guerin: the good old turning point of a non-renewable resource |
| 06:39.03 | simonrvn | wow, i'm starting to see 'peak oil' being used more often |
| 06:39.21 | nvz | MSIE7 seems to have all kinds of stupid little focus and select issues |
| 06:39.23 | Guerin | simonrvn: 2006 was the year environmentalism went mainstream |
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| 06:39.56 | Guerin | though it'll be another 10 before it's more than a collection of good intentions and buzzwords |
| 06:40.04 | simonrvn | Guerin: yeh. a lot too late for my taste :( |
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| 06:40.20 | yigal | i was celebrating earth in 1978 and i was born in 79 |
| 06:40.28 | Guerin | yigal: om. |
| 06:40.33 | simonrvn | people were bitching about this 30-40 years ago, and no one listened |
| 06:40.51 | nvz | no one ever listens when people are bitching |
| 06:41.03 | yigal | simonrvn: its the end of the earth - no worries - both the aztecs and maya agree in 2012 :) |
| 06:41.04 | nvz | if you're clever you'll bitch without anyone knowing thats what you're doing |
| 06:41.06 | simonrvn | eventually they do |
| 06:41.11 | dimir | Moin! |
| 06:41.14 | simonrvn | yigal: *bzzt* wrong |
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| 06:41.24 | simonrvn | nvz: heheh for sure |
| 06:41.26 | yigal | simonrvn: yes ? |
| 06:41.30 | simonrvn | 2014 |
| 06:41.35 | Guerin | eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we ... have to go to work |
| 06:41.42 | simonrvn | a maya elder told me that |
| 06:41.50 | yigal | Guerin: 5 beers later i ponder what you say |
| 06:41.56 | nvz | except for nvz, cause he doesn't work unless he feels like it |
| 06:42.15 | Guerin | my bossen want to give me a management job |
| 06:42.24 | nvz | ... like I'm doing right now |
| 06:42.26 | enyc | JeffH: well there you go ;-) its just peoplo connecting to your port 993 and disconnecting without going-through with SSL properly then ;-) |
| 06:42.30 | simonrvn | yigal: the discrepancy is due to inaccuracies of the gregorian calendar |
| 06:42.36 | yigal | Guerin: i'm sorry to hear |
| 06:42.45 | simonrvn | Guerin: my condolences |
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| 06:42.52 | yigal | simonrvn: how so, please explicate |
| 06:42.53 | Guerin | yigal: nah, it's great. Less work, more money, and minions to do my bidding. |
| 06:43.22 | yigal | Guerin: well then, thats good |
| 06:43.28 | nvz | working on invoice #1414 dont ask me were #1408, #1409, or #1410 #1412, #1413 went, or what happened to any numbers before #1407 cause I just make this shit up as I go along |
| 06:43.31 | Guerin | but it might interfere with my research, so I'm not sure I'll take it |
| 06:43.44 | simonrvn | nvz: hehehe |
| 06:43.46 | JeffH | enyc: you talking about the Connection reset by peer? It's some problem with my router.. if I setup my mail client to go through my local ip to the mail server I don't see it.. if I go through the internet to get to my mail server I see it.. it happens at about 10 minute intervals. |
| 06:44.22 | nvz | heh. I decided I need to charge an extra $100 on #1414 because they made me go to a computer store with two women last week |
| 06:44.24 | yigal | JeffH: does your router have an internal firewall ? |
| 06:44.25 | enyc | JeffH: hah.. i see |
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| 06:44.37 | nvz | I had to be a bit more creative on the description though |
| 06:44.50 | enyc | JeffH: hrrm accessing internal-service via external-address can be problematic |
| 06:44.51 | JeffH | yigal: not sure |
| 06:45.15 | yigal | JeffH: because what you are talking about seems to me is that certain ports are being blocked for whatever reason |
| 06:45.18 | simonrvn | yigal: i haven't studied this, i just know what they said to me. has to do with solar times, lunar times, and how each count them. the maya calendar is more accurate at doing the counting |
| 06:45.32 | JeffH | enyc: yeah.. trying to figure out a better setup for my laptop to acess via internal ip when connected locally and external when on the public network. |
| 06:45.34 | enyc | JeffH: it rquires an SNAT rule as well as the DNAT rule, if the client and server are on the same subne. |
| 06:45.45 | simonrvn | need water |
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| 06:46.08 | JeffH | yigal: The ports are seen from the outside.. that's not the issue. |
| 06:46.14 | yigal | simonrvn: all i know about the mayan calendar is that it is 2. one is 365 days and the other is 260 days, approximately 9 lunar months == fertility but thats about it |
| 06:46.15 | nvz | seriously though.. I had just eaten a HUGE lunch.. I am sitting on my couch stuffed staring blankly at the tv not planning on moving for an hour or two.. and I get a call that the secretary ruined her PC.. had to not only go get her a new one and set it up, but then had to debtakeover the Win2k server to get shit running again, cause I don't do win2k and wasn't about to try figure out what that thing's purpose was |
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| 06:46.51 | JeffH | enyc: my router is a Linksys WRT54G.. don't have that much control over it. |
| 06:47.22 | enyc | JeffH: if its a WRT54G then you can install replacement like DD-WRT on it, I think -) |
| 06:47.24 | yigal | JeffH: have you at least installed DD-WRT or OpenWrt ? |
| 06:47.28 | nvz | if it was a normal on my time thing I would just include this on the normal weekly charges, but they made me get up off my ass on their schedule to go shopping with two women when I was hung over and stuffed to the point I could barely move |
| 06:47.42 | nvz | that's gonna cost ya.. heh |
| 06:47.53 | Kevin` | enyc wrt54g is actually one of the lower end models these days, for linux support |
| 06:47.54 | JeffH | no.. it's not officially supported. I'm currently looking for a new router that will fulfill my needs. |
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| 06:48.14 | yigal | nvz: your story sounds rather unnatural |
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| 06:48.34 | nvz | yigal: hah.. what's unnatural about it? |
| 06:48.46 | simonrvn | yigal: it's actually pretty complex. the respective colonial governments for a long time repressed the keepers, and also for a longer time it wasn't explained to outsiders, for traditional reasons. it's only recently through various dreams and visions that they were told to share it with the world. |
| 06:48.56 | JeffH | found one router that has all the features I'd like.. but don't really want to spend $200 on a router. |
| 06:48.57 | harpal | I have USB keyboard, after some time without working on PC, my keyboard doesnt work, I have unplug my USB and plugged again but still its not running. Whats problem there? |
| 06:49.06 | yigal | Kevin`: are you using the router for personal or other purposes? |
| 06:49.12 | simonrvn | anyway, getting way OT now |
| 06:49.19 | Kevin` | yigal personal |
| 06:49.31 | yigal | Kevin`: DD-WRT is supported |
| 06:49.37 | Kevin` | I don't like dd-wrt |
| 06:49.39 | Kevin` | it's messy |
| 06:49.44 | yigal | Kevin`: fare |
| 06:50.02 | yigal | Kevin`: its better firmware than what it comes with, but to each there own |
| 06:50.09 | simonrvn | nvz: holy smokes man |
| 06:50.29 | Kevin` | yigal I rather like openwrt. clean system and it works on a bunch of types of hardware now |
| 06:50.36 | simonrvn | Kevin`: there's a few firmwares around, some better than others |
| 06:50.57 | nvz | this is how I do business.. I make myself available 24-7 and I charge whatever the hell I want generally speaking, if you want me to come out on call I'm charging for the call, and by the hour. if I did that I'd be charging $160 at the least... but I'm not that hard up for money and this is comming out of the tax payers pocket.. so I don't charge much.. $75/wk but thats for maintaining the webserver.. what i did last week was way above and be |
| 06:51.00 | simonrvn | i heard good things about that one |
| 06:51.11 | yigal | Kevin`: i am just talking about the hardware you have |
| 06:51.55 | nvz | really the most work I do is inventing invoices.. I put more thought into making up numbers and descriptions for invoices than I do working most of the time |
| 06:52.08 | yigal | simonrvn: like the maori people of australia and their dream world |
| 06:52.13 | Kevin` | yigal here, I have an isp provided modem, an pentium 4 tower as main router, several access points (running openwrt, small atheros SOC devices), and some other things i'm playing with, some dumb devices like hubs |
| 06:52.16 | simonrvn | yigal: er what? |
| 06:52.18 | JeffH | Anyone run across a database for Routers that lets you search for routers with a specific feature set? |
| 06:52.38 | nvz | JeffH: na.. I know you could build your own though |
| 06:52.43 | simonrvn | yigal: 2 different continents there, and and the english for it is dreamtime |
| 06:52.58 | yigal | simonrvn: simonrvn "it's only recently through various dreams and visions that they were told to share it with the world." |
| 06:53.02 | simonrvn | yigal: maori are from "new zealand" |
| 06:53.10 | Kevin` | JeffH toh.openwrt.org for consumer routers, covers a lot. if you want linux of course. |
| 06:53.14 | nvz | hardware routers are nice cause they are low-power and easy to implement.. but they always seem to have bugs and the firmware is always seriously out of date |
| 06:53.26 | yigal | simonrvn: both |
| 06:53.27 | simonrvn | yigal: australia it's aborigine |
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| 06:53.42 | simonrvn | ffs i know what i'm talking about |
| 06:53.42 | Kevin` | nvz which is why you get a "hardware" router or embedded board and put something else on it :) |
| 06:53.49 | JeffH | Kevin`: thanks.. I actually like the idea of getting a router with Linux inside. |
| 06:53.53 | nvz | Kevin`: yeah I guess. |
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| 06:54.23 | simonrvn | .:02:49:12:. <simonrvn> anyway, getting way OT now |
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| 06:54.27 | yigal | simonrvn: its true that Ninety-nine percent of Maori are born in new zealand but com on there is that 1 pecent born in Australia |
| 06:54.31 | yigal | simonrvn: :) |
| 06:54.42 | simonrvn | ... |
| 06:54.46 | JeffH | though that list doesn't really gve me what I was hoping for.. ooh well. |
| 06:54.46 | nvz | I'm still not sure what kinda hardware I'm going to get yet.. I'm getting a better idea of what I want to do, but still haven't translated that into what to buy yet |
| 06:54.49 | Guerin | yigal: please go and electrocure yourself now. |
| 06:55.11 | yigal | Guerin: thank you an honorable way out |
| 06:55.13 | nvz | I want to be able to spread a wireless signal pretty much across down |
| 06:55.18 | nvz | er town even |
| 06:55.20 | Guerin | that should have been electrocuTe, but electrocure would have the same meaning, given sufficient current |
| 06:55.53 | Kevin` | nvz one thing i've found seriously annoying, is the lack of a middle-end device with a vlan capable switch. it's available on the cheap routers if you hack them, and it's available standalone for like $300, nothing in between |
| 06:56.13 | yigal | Guerin: jerky response you give |
| 06:56.22 | nvz | Kevin`: hmm. |
| 06:56.24 | simonrvn | yigal: in reply to an ignorant one |
| 06:56.36 | yigal | simonrvn: hmm? |
| 06:56.57 | simonrvn | yigal: in reply to an ignorant one |
| 06:56.58 | Kevin` | nvz the cheap routers would normally be ok of course, but they are usually only 5 ports (6 with the router itself), and 100mbit |
| 06:57.12 | Guerin | yigal: moronitude begets jerkiness. |
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| 06:57.49 | thedonvaughn | moronitude heh |
| 06:57.59 | yigal | Guerin: we should eat the dumb, an intersting idea Guerin |
| 06:58.00 | Guerin | mmm, jerky |
| 06:58.01 | nvz | Kevin`: yeah.. I'm challenged with designing the technical infrastructure of our new borough building.. so I', all kinds of lost.. I haven't really bought this kinda stuff before.. its fairly new to me |
| 06:58.19 | Guerin | yigal: in your case, that would be painful |
| 06:59.00 | yigal | Guerin: eating you would hurt but not that much |
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| 06:59.17 | nvz | I want to at the least be able to give limited access to our internet from the borough garage across down.. its about 0.66mi away from the new building. it would be nice for the police and other borough workers to get access to the network from virtually anywhere in town.. its only a 1.2sq mile town.. shouldn't be that hard |
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| 07:00.03 | Kevin` | nvz ubiquiti (sp) makes rather nice wireless cards |
| 07:00.15 | yigal | Guerin: i'm wating for the come back |
| 07:00.28 | nvz | we need everyone connected cause right now the only way to email the street dept manager is at home. he has no internet at the garage. and it would cost more I think to get internet access at different buildings than to just share the connection wirelessly in a small town like this |
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| 07:00.38 | Kevin` | nvz and, of course, use a good antenna with it |
| 07:00.48 | Guerin | yigal: ? |
| 07:00.55 | yigal | Guerin: :) |
| 07:01.21 | simonrvn | yigal: would you like an ota sandwich? |
| 07:01.42 | nvz | Kevin`: well the new building is going to be at a higher elevation than much of the rest of the town.. the sooner I can decide the better.. I can have the damn construction guys put a big antenna on the roof now.. they are just now finishing up with the trusses |
| 07:01.47 | Kevin` | nvz you might have trouble accessing a central access point like that directly from something like a laptop. might want to consider repeaters for the major areas and buildings |
| 07:02.09 | yigal | simonrvn: i think i would go hungry on that diet |
| 07:02.17 | nvz | Kevin`: yeah thats what I had in mind. repeaters across town strategically placed forming a nice mesh network |
| 07:02.19 | Kevin` | nvz I use "repeater" in a generic sense |
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| 07:02.34 | Kevin` | (proper mesh is nice) |
| 07:02.42 | nvz | Kevin`: its already a digital school district.. the high school and most homes with students already have wifi |
| 07:02.51 | yigal | simonrvn: i visited new zealand when i was 8 very interesting stuff, what is your relation with the maya? |
| 07:03.05 | simonrvn | i have friends who are |
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| 07:03.08 | nvz | Kevin`: but I want to extend the same connectivity to borough employees, Police, Fire, Street Dept, council..etc |
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| 07:03.42 | simonrvn | good friends, considered family |
| 07:03.44 | Kevin` | nvz would you be able to use one of the municipal-reserved bands that don't interfere with consumer wifi? |
| 07:03.51 | L0cKn | hello all |
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| 07:04.18 | simonrvn | yigal: no, you'd get sick i think (ota sandwich) |
| 07:04.38 | nvz | Kevin`: idk. I can get away with just about anything around here.. I'm running the show.. heh |
| 07:04.53 | Noborusan | hi ,does anyone have gimp installed ? |
| 07:04.55 | yigal | nvz: its good to whose boss |
| 07:05.09 | Kevin` | well, compatible equiptment would obviously be easier if you didn't. plus messing with licensing |
| 07:05.22 | nvz | Kevin`: I was looking at these things.. forget what they were called em.. but its something the military uses to create mesh networks.. seemed a bit excessive for what I am doing though |
| 07:05.26 | thedonvaughn | Noborusan: why are you taking a poll? It's best to just come out and ask your question |
| 07:05.55 | nvz | yigal: yeah well I'm not the boss, I just act like it and never let em see me sweat |
| 07:05.56 | Kevin` | nvz oh? what's that, doesn't sound like something i'm familiar with |
| 07:06.22 | Noborusan | hi thedonvaughn ok |
| 07:06.24 | simonrvn | Kevin`: wikipedia -> mesh wireless network |
| 07:06.39 | Kevin` | simonrvn I mean whatever tech the military uses |
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| 07:06.42 | wingot | Hey |
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| 07:06.49 | wingot | How would I install english on a debian system? |
| 07:06.51 | Noborusan | Would anyone please whatever tool to help me edit a pic for me please ? i would make it smaller and add a site url into it that is all.Thanks. |
| 07:07.05 | wingot | I'm stuck with german at this point (someone elses install taht I've taken over) |
| 07:07.17 | Guerin | wingot: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 07:07.30 | nvz | Kevin`: ah, its called a breadcrumb |
| 07:07.33 | yigal | simonrvn: its only 2 pounds of carbon fiber i would still be hungry |
| 07:07.39 | simonrvn | Noborusan: open the pic in gimp, right click on it, select image > scale ... |
| 07:07.40 | Guerin | Noborusan: aptitude install gimp-doc |
| 07:07.57 | wingot | Guerin: Thanks. /me is glad he figured out where - is on that machine |
| 07:07.57 | simonrvn | Noborusan: select text tool click in pic, start typing |
| 07:07.58 | nvz | Kevin`: linux based I guess its like leaving a trail of breadcrumbs.. heh.. something designed for military application |
| 07:08.10 | nvz | Kevin`: http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT9034569280.html |
| 07:08.10 | yigal | i like Guerin's approach more |
| 07:08.17 | nvz | seems way overkill for this application |
| 07:08.20 | Noborusan | sorry,i do not have linux right now,but i have it installed on my server. |
| 07:08.27 | Kevin` | nvz I don't have a web browser |
| 07:08.30 | Noborusan | my server is put on the data-center. |
| 07:08.53 | Kevin` | nvz it Sounds like something designed for quick deployment and temporary use? |
| 07:09.15 | wingot | Now, the qwerty keymap |
| 07:09.20 | yigal | Noborusan: ooh the data center |
| 07:09.20 | wingot | Is it a package I need to install? |
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| 07:09.27 | nvz | you don't have a web browser? hah.. thats funny |
| 07:09.29 | wingot | (It is currently qwertz it seems) |
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| 07:09.53 | Kevin` | nvz well, I could start one, but i'd have to go into X or something |
| 07:10.03 | simonrvn | Kevin`: w3m |
| 07:10.13 | simonrvn | links{2}, lynx, etc. |
| 07:10.18 | Kevin` | fine fine i'll use a text browser and look at it |
| 07:10.20 | nvz | Kevin`: yeah they are self configuring mobile mesh units.. come in various shapes and sizes. some are like cell-phone sized that actual foot soldiers could carry just to tap in, and other are larger suitcase versions that are capable of backhauling and such |
| 07:10.32 | yigal | Kevin`: w3m is a better browser than firefox for everything other than videos, music and pictures |
| 07:10.33 | nvz | Kevin`: links2, w3m, lynx, wget :P |
| 07:11.02 | simonrvn | pictures too. you don't have w3m-img installed ;) |
| 07:11.32 | nvz | like I said though this is a 1.2sq mile town located along the ohio river in a small valley, should not be hard to get decent coverage across this town |
| 07:11.37 | Kevin` | nvz you don't really need/want self configuring battery powered units though, do you, you want permanent units :) |
| 07:11.37 | yigal | simonrvn: i should install it, i was using firefox for everything, but it is really slow |
| 07:11.40 | wingot | Debian package search found nothing based on "qwerty", but loadkeys qwerty can't find the map |
| 07:11.46 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.50 | nvz | Kevin`: I don't need mobility |
| 07:11.54 | JeffH | how much of a security risk is it to allow wireless clients access to my router configuration pages? |
| 07:12.12 | Kevin` | JeffH very high, if they can change settings |
| 07:12.13 | simonrvn | yigal: BTW, 'ota' is shit in Mohawk. has nothing to do with carbon fibre. |
| 07:12.36 | Guerin | althjough it is carbon-based, and hopefully contains plenty of dietary fibre ;) |
| 07:12.39 | JeffH | Kevin: I would assume it would still be restricted to people on the local network. |
| 07:12.39 | nvz | Kevin`: as of right now we got a tower on each end of town for the old fire siren.. we may be going to a sirenless setup soon. but those towers are probably already perfectly placed for this application |
| 07:12.41 | simonrvn | hehehehe |
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| 07:13.19 | yigal | simonrvn: ah, i thought you were refering to carbon fiber sandwich core struts, haha |
| 07:13.24 | simonrvn | nvz: sounds good to me. ohio valley? |
| 07:13.29 | nvz | yep |
| 07:13.42 | Kevin` | JeffH at the most evil level, I could upload a new router firmware that looked exactly like yours but created a second hidden virtual access point that allowed me to do anything on the lan or wan network, and to monitor all trafficl. |
| 07:14.11 | simonrvn | very nice... i've down by there, some little acreage that's been set up as a nature preserve. just beautiful |
| 07:14.17 | wingot | Ok, it's loadkeys us |
| 07:14.17 | simonrvn | i've been* |
| 07:14.23 | yigal | Guerin: shit thats funny |
| 07:14.34 | JeffH | Kevin: but to do that I would expect that you'd have to be on my network to do that.. I doubt they give access to the configuration website on the external ip. |
| 07:14.39 | wingot | Now, last question. How do I set those two (locale and keymap) to be automatic (for all logins, and even after reboots)? |
| 07:15.08 | Kevin` | JeffH what if I live a few houses down from you, and am an unscrupilous kiddie who knows how to use a computer |
| 07:15.15 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure console-data and locales |
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| 07:15.31 | wingot | console-data is the keymaps? |
| 07:15.38 | simonrvn | IIRC yeh |
| 07:15.53 | jetscreamer | it generates the keymaps |
| 07:16.03 | simonrvn | also sets it, no? |
| 07:16.17 | simonrvn | or did they move it (again) |
| 07:16.18 | JeffH | Kevin`: that's why I have a password setup on my wireless setup. |
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| 07:16.23 | jetscreamer | yeah, |
| 07:16.26 | nvz | right now the mark to the left (north) is the existing borough building where one tower is, and the other is the railroad crossing which we will be closing soon as the overpass is nearly complete.. and there is another siren tower there. they stand about two stories high |
| 07:16.28 | wingot | Thanks |
| 07:16.30 | nvz | http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1223290 |
| 07:16.31 | jetscreamer | ubuntu is weird like that |
| 07:16.38 | wingot | Rebooting, I'll find out soon |
| 07:16.41 | jetscreamer | i hate how they do locales |
| 07:16.43 | simonrvn | uh |
| 07:16.51 | Kevin` | JeffH password for configuring the router, or password for accessing the wireless at all |
| 07:16.53 | jetscreamer | yeah yeah |
| 07:16.55 | jetscreamer | i'm just saying |
| 07:17.00 | simonrvn | ubuntu's locales are annoying. they're pre-built or something |
| 07:17.01 | jetscreamer | it's weird and totally nondebian |
| 07:17.04 | jetscreamer | ya |
| 07:17.08 | JeffH | Kevin`: for accessng the wireless at all. |
| 07:17.10 | jetscreamer | i never got a handle on it |
| 07:17.15 | Kevin` | JeffH using what method? |
| 07:17.25 | simonrvn | oh man, nice breeze coming in with flowers on it. |
| 07:17.29 | JeffH | wep2 I believe. |
| 07:17.37 | Kevin` | no such thing as wep2 :) |
| 07:17.39 | yigal | simonrvn: JeffH so weak |
| 07:17.50 | simonrvn | smelled like black birch |
| 07:17.53 | yigal | JeffH: you mean wpa2 ? |
| 07:17.58 | jetscreamer | i have another xp hd paperweight |
| 07:18.04 | simonrvn | er black ash rather |
| 07:18.09 | JeffH | yigal: I'd have to go check. something like that. |
| 07:18.21 | Kevin` | JeffH if you mean wpa2, it CAN be cracked, but takes about as long as any other password cracking by brute force, unless some method has come up that's new to me |
| 07:18.24 | yigal | JeffH: if its worth anything at all its wpa2 |
| 07:18.31 | Kevin` | JeffH the cracking is offline though |
| 07:19.09 | simonrvn | which is why i'm still wired ;) |
| 07:19.19 | Kevin` | I use wireless with 40bit wep |
| 07:19.47 | yigal | Kevin`: waiting to be destroyed by the kid next door |
| 07:19.54 | Kevin` | there isn't one :) |
| 07:20.10 | Kevin` | but, all of my devices are configured by ssh only |
| 07:20.10 | yigal | Kevin`: :) |
| 07:20.16 | JeffH | simonrvn: did you wire your whole house? |
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| 07:20.35 | simonrvn | no, building's too old |
| 07:20.36 | Kevin` | and there ARE nearby houses with open access |
| 07:20.48 | nvz | simonrvn: basically this is our 1.2sq mile town I've drawn a box around http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1223298 |
| 07:20.51 | simonrvn | and i don't have a house anyway |
| 07:20.59 | Kevin` | i'm thinking of switching to 802.1x or wpa-enterprise soon, actually |
| 07:21.08 | Kevin` | I don't think there are any cracks for either |
| 07:21.24 | wingot | Kevin`: cracks, no. A determinted intruder can still get in |
| 07:21.28 | wingot | script kiddies can't |
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| 07:21.53 | simonrvn | nvz: do i have to open a javascript capable browser for this? |
| 07:22.01 | simonrvn | "Click here to return to the main window when printing is complete" |
| 07:22.05 | JeffH | any idea why my router seems to be killing my imap connection at 10 minute intervals? |
| 07:22.06 | Kevin` | wingot i'm not a business with valuable data to steal or something |
| 07:22.11 | Kevin` | wingot nobody would be that determined :) |
| 07:22.25 | wingot | Kevin`: Yeah, exactly |
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| 07:22.34 | nvz | simonrvn: probably. |
| 07:22.40 | wingot | They will go for the easier targets |
| 07:22.55 | simonrvn | JeffH: saturated? some tcp settings are off? |
| 07:23.04 | Kevin` | i'm probably going to set that up shortly before I move (which I am soon), since when I do there will be lots of people with wifi near me |
| 07:23.17 | Kevin` | right now i'm the only wireless I see |
| 07:23.41 | Kevin` | if I left it wide open nobody would use it |
| 07:23.57 | JeffH | simonrvn: I doubt its saturated.. I'm the only one using the port. Didn't see any tcp settngs that would control something like that in my router.. my router is quite old. :( |
| 07:24.26 | Kevin` | (to be fair, if I go on the roof with a directional antenna, I see other networks) |
| 07:24.30 | simonrvn | nvz: neat. outside of pittsburgh too. must be nice and quiet |
| 07:24.58 | Kevin` | good night peoples |
| 07:25.09 | simonrvn | JeffH: is this a linuxed wrt54g? |
| 07:25.13 | simonrvn | Kevin`: g'night |
| 07:25.19 | yigal | JeffH: sorry to go back to your router, but if its old enough linux can be thrown on the WT54g |
| 07:25.40 | nvz | simonrvn: yeah its pretty quiet. We've got a new borough building and an overpass nearing completion this fall.. and I'm also running for council and taking charge of all the technology :P |
| 07:26.06 | simonrvn | nvz: the place i was at was in ohio itself, south part |
| 07:26.17 | simonrvn | nvz: hehe cool |
| 07:26.18 | yigal | Kevin`: gnight |
| 07:26.23 | JeffH | simonrvn: no, wish it were. |
| 07:26.41 | simonrvn | JeffH: i would consider it if it's an old enough revision |
| 07:26.51 | JeffH | yigal: its a v5.. which is vxWorks based.. and not 'offically supported' |
| 07:27.05 | nvz | simonrvn: my dad maintains the website.. updates it daily with pictures of progress around town. http://www.leetsdaleboro.net/ he hasn't moved to my server yet.. only the garden club site is on my server so far I'm going to a meeting tomorrow to talk to the fire dept about their website.. I'll be providing the hosting and the domain name, they just need to work out the protocol of how the design will go and how everyone will get input on the |
| 07:27.18 | JeffH | simonrvn: it's a v5.. so I guess not OLD.. but just doesn't seem to be very feature rich. |
| 07:27.41 | nvz | simonrvn: I'm planning on forming my own website and organization.. I've been talking about it for a long time now.. want to make a Linux Users Group.. LEETLUG |
| 07:27.44 | simonrvn | JeffH: IIRC you're SOL, but don't take my word for it |
| 07:28.04 | simonrvn | nvz: cool man. neat name for the LUG :) |
| 07:28.21 | JeffH | simonrvn: hence why I'm shopping for a new router.. trying to find one with all the options I'd prefer. |
| 07:28.31 | nvz | simonrvn: yeah well you can thank Daniel Leet for that one.. he founded this town |
| 07:28.40 | simonrvn | heh |
| 07:28.45 | nvz | :P |
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| 07:29.08 | nvz | I'm just trying to make sure it progresses.. cause he's dead now |
| 07:29.21 | JeffH | speaking of which.. if I upgrade to a gigE router am I going to have a difficult time finding a gigE PCI network card that will work on a P3? |
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| 07:30.03 | JeffH | with Linux that s. |
| 07:30.05 | JeffH | is. |
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| 07:30.42 | simonrvn | nvz: yeh |
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| 07:31.12 | simonrvn | JeffH: dunno |
| 07:31.15 | thirst | if i do an "lsof -i" i see multiple ports from my machine being connected to google.com from firefox-bin(iceweasel). Why is this ? |
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| 07:31.49 | xoory | thirst : cause you have multiple sessionss ?? |
| 07:31.54 | simonrvn | probably some google thing you installed |
| 07:31.59 | JeffH | not much point in upgrading my router to gigE if my server is gonna stay at 100MB |
| 07:32.04 | thirst | multiple tabs, single window. |
| 07:32.28 | xoory | thirst : yep. pastebin your lsof -i |
| 07:32.34 | thirst | i take care that I have no google stuff installed.. except the default(?) toolbar which comes with iceweasel. |
| 07:32.37 | nvz | simonrvn: you should see this crap we paid some company to come up with.. it looks awesome the ideas they have for adding buffers to soften the appearance riding through town, and the parks..etc.. none of it will ever happen, but the ideas they submitted were incredible. The whole point was to should in a perfect world what we could do.. so we can get funding.. but most the ideas they have we just can't do don't own the property..etc |
| 07:33.38 | xoory | thirst : pastebin your "lsof -i " result |
| 07:33.42 | simonrvn | nvz: noise buffers? or asethetic ones? |
| 07:33.45 | thirst | xoory: it is something like "firefox-b 7098 thirst 9u IPv4 47287 TCP 192.168.1.123:41524->80.67.87.46:www (ESTABLISHED)" |
| 07:34.06 | thirst | xoory: multiple lines looking like above. |
| 07:34.58 | nvz | simonrvn: well if you looked at the satellite photo.. most the town is industrial.. you can see it comming down the highway.. they would put trees and bushes and such along the highway so all you see is scenery not railroads and shit |
| 07:35.01 | xoory | thirst : i want to see the other ports ! |
| 07:35.47 | simonrvn | nvz: yeh i noticed. that would be cool. would also help air quality. i imagine pittsburgh being so close the air quality isn't great in hot weather |
| 07:35.59 | xoory | thirst : see the user column, is it thirst in all lines ? |
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| 07:36.28 | nvz | simonrvn: the idea I liked the best was turning this old bridge we got over the highway and railroad into a foot bridge with benches and trees and using it to connect the small residential community on that side of the tracks by the industrial park with the rest of the residential area |
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| 07:36.50 | simonrvn | nvz: oh nice |
| 07:37.06 | nvz | simonrvn: we are tree city USA.. heh.. we got signs as you ride into town.. we got plenty of trees in this town despite the size of our two industrial parks |
| 07:37.26 | simonrvn | more doesn't hurt ;) |
| 07:37.34 | thirst | xoory: well looks like the google search engine box is the culprit.. i removed that .. and closed all google tabs and the connections are gone for now.. |
| 07:37.35 | nvz | we got ordinances to protect the trees.. you're not allowed to cut one down without planting one |
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| 07:37.42 | simonrvn | but yeh, so it's probably pretty good then |
| 07:37.58 | nvz | we actually had a ceremony this year and were handing out baby trees to people in the park |
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| 07:38.13 | thirst | now it makes me wonder.. why would there be an established connection from google at all times .. hmm... i think it is time to make some good iceweasel patches.. |
| 07:38.16 | simonrvn | nvz: shit man, i wish it was like that everywhere, even plant 2 trees |
| 07:38.48 | nvz | that is one thing I missed in Texas.. all the damn trees |
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| 07:38.55 | simonrvn | thirst: probably because by default it makes connections a google server farm to check for phishing sites |
| 07:39.01 | xoory | thirst : http://www.fr.debian.org/security/2007/dsa-1346 |
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| 07:39.02 | nvz | I'm accustomed to a lot of shade.. heh |
| 07:39.09 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 07:39.18 | jetscreamer | we have trees |
| 07:39.39 | thirst | simonrvn: well.. it shudnt do that unless i asked it to.. i dont want google peering over my shoulder when i browse.. :) |
| 07:39.40 | jetscreamer | where were you, west texas? |
| 07:39.52 | nvz | I was right on Lake Dallas. |
| 07:39.58 | nvz | Lakebridge Estates |
| 07:40.01 | simonrvn | east texas is wetter innit it? |
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| 07:40.06 | nvz | I could see the lake from my bedroom window |
| 07:40.11 | JeffH | anyone here use a gigabit ethernet card in Linux? |
| 07:40.40 | simonrvn | no |
| 07:40.50 | simonrvn | i can't afford that shit ;p |
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| 07:41.34 | jetscreamer | lots of springs and pine trees |
| 07:41.40 | jetscreamer | red clay dirt |
| 07:41.52 | simonrvn | oh like georgia |
| 07:41.53 | jetscreamer | (east texas) |
| 07:42.02 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 07:42.06 | jetscreamer | i could ask my sister |
| 07:42.15 | jetscreamer | she lives in georgia somewhere |
| 07:42.41 | muep | simonrvn: I think I have one on my motherboard, but I'm not sure about that and my router is 100M anyways |
| 07:42.41 | simonrvn | my wife is from there, she told me that ;) |
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| 07:43.05 | muep | sorry, JeffH |
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| 07:43.47 | JeffH | thanks muep.. seems like it's pointless to get a gigabit router at this point.. |
| 07:43.54 | simonrvn | mine is too, the bmac and a 53c89x card (IIRC) |
| 07:43.59 | nvz | this isn't the best way to see this stuff.. they are images.. fairly big.. but its what I got.. heh |
| 07:44.02 | nvz | http://67.171.94.112/JT%20Sauer%20&%20Associates/ |
| 07:44.10 | nvz | simonrvn: this is the company we had draw up ideas |
| 07:44.49 | simonrvn | 00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Accton Technology Corporation EN-1216 Ethernet Adapter (rev 11) |
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| 07:45.05 | nvz | simonrvn: the buffer and buffer2 images show what it looks like comming down the highway, and what it could look like with a visual buffer |
| 07:45.14 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 07:45.54 | jetscreamer | what is the limit, like what's the top d/l speed i can achieve with a 100 nic ... would that translate to 1024 down or so? |
| 07:45.58 | nvz | the oliver.jpg is one of my favorites.. thats realistic.. we could actually make that happen.. in the near future |
| 07:46.08 | jetscreamer | am i being limited by my nic? |
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| 07:46.39 | jetscreamer | and not my dsl provider? |
| 07:46.43 | jetscreamer | err cable |
| 07:46.59 | simonrvn | yeh that's cool |
| 07:47.09 | JeffH | jetscreamer: as I understand it the provider is the bottleneck right now. |
| 07:47.59 | simonrvn | the isp would be yeh |
| 07:48.13 | simonrvn | barring a packet storm or whatever |
| 07:50.47 | jetscreamer | no i mean me |
| 07:50.59 | simonrvn | LAN? |
| 07:51.20 | Guerin | jetscreamer: 100MBit is a functional limit somewhere around 7 megabytes per second |
| 07:51.36 | jetscreamer | oh ok thanks dude |
| 07:51.41 | Guerin | you might get bursts higher than that, but not for long |
| 07:51.43 | jetscreamer | i'm not htere yet |
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| 07:52.07 | Guerin | when I was on 100MBit in Korea I clocked a download at 7,260k/s |
| 07:52.11 | thirst | xoory: simonrvn connection from firefox-bin to google persists even after I close my google.com tab, which shouldnt. Dont you think that is a security hole that can be exploited. |
| 07:52.18 | Guerin | that's the fastest I've seen over a WAN connection |
| 07:52.26 | thirst | this persists until i restart firefox |
| 07:52.45 | Guerin | thirst: you should ask #firefox on irc.mozilla.org |
| 07:52.49 | xoory | thist : maybe |
| 07:52.54 | thirst | ok |
| 07:53.10 | xoory | thist : i recommand you to upgrade your iceweal packages |
| 07:53.14 | xoory | thirst : http://www.fr.debian.org/security/2007/dsa-1346 |
| 07:53.19 | nvz | Guerin: damn. |
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| 07:53.51 | simonrvn | Guerin: *jawdrop* |
| 07:53.57 | Guerin | nvz: that's what I said when I had to move back here. |
| 07:54.02 | nvz | Guerin: I was amazed to see like 700kb/s to maybe 1200kb/s at one point at my friend's house the other night.. |
| 07:54.18 | simonrvn | on the uni pipe i don't see faster than 1 MB/s |
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| 07:54.23 | nvz | I'm lucky to get around 500kb/s from a good fast server like kernel.org or ftp.debian.org or something |
| 07:54.24 | Guerin | simonrvn: 100GB per day outbound for almost a year |
| 07:54.47 | nvz | we are on the same node, same ISP.. but he only has one box on his |
| 07:54.50 | Guerin | that's what you get when you run a bittorrent distro site :) |
| 07:54.55 | nvz | I've got like 6 |
| 07:54.56 | harpal | can I do that while debian boots in not GUI mode, I can set some background and give some space to so that all booting process in to some area, means I can specify my name or image while booting |
| 07:55.26 | jetscreamer | what? |
| 07:55.31 | simonrvn | wth? |
| 07:55.33 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 07:55.34 | jetscreamer | you can |
| 07:55.42 | xoory | thist : i ghave the sameproblem |
| 07:55.45 | nvz | yeah my brother does a lot of torrent crap IB and OB I stress to him often about throttling.. bittorrent can just kill a connection.. its just so damn effecient at moving data |
| 07:55.54 | jetscreamer | look into grub splash images, usplash, framebuffers, others |
| 07:56.08 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 07:56.08 | dpkg | somebody said search was try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 07:56.08 | xoory | thist : even if i close the iceweasel window |
| 07:56.17 | thirst | xoory: another attempt by the evil empire to track the users.. :) |
| 07:56.21 | xoory | thist : i still have the google conected |
| 07:56.33 | xoory | thist : ;-) |
| 07:56.34 | Guerin | got google toolbar? |
| 07:56.49 | jetscreamer | i deleted a google foolbar today |
| 07:56.54 | jetscreamer | and a yahoo |
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| 07:57.01 | xoory | thist : i think hat this is due to the iceweasel process |
| 07:57.04 | jetscreamer | and other carp |
| 07:57.10 | jetscreamer | hey i like that |
| 07:57.12 | jetscreamer | carp |
| 07:57.13 | Guerin | mm, carp |
| 07:57.19 | xoory | thist : it isn't terminated when the window is closed !! |
| 07:57.25 | thirst | google to yahoo is like IE4Linux to firefox, use it only when you really cant do without it |
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| 07:57.40 | simonrvn | thirst: an ESTABLISHED connection will presist until either end closes it |
| 07:57.42 | xoory | sure |
| 07:57.45 | simonrvn | persist* |
| 07:57.47 | jetscreamer | wasn't my box |
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| 07:58.08 | xoory | simonrvn : why ?? |
| 07:58.10 | thirst | simonrvn: i think we shud put in a patch to iceweasel to close it.. as remote end is not going to close it anyway |
| 07:58.33 | simonrvn | if the browser is closed, it's not going to do fuck all ;p |
| 07:58.44 | xoory | ;p |
| 07:58.48 | Guerin | thirst: why are you telling us? |
| 07:59.10 | thirst | Guerin: sorry.. plz ignore.. |
| 07:59.11 | Guerin | if you think it's a security problem, file a bug |
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| 07:59.35 | Guerin | (and prepare to be flamed if you're wrong ;) |
| 08:00.06 | thirst | lemme confirm it before I report. :) |
| 08:00.11 | Guerin | wise. |
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| 08:00.50 | nvz | well I'm gonna walk my ass down and print this invoice.. as usual I setup security so anal I can't do it from here. |
| 08:01.00 | simonrvn | heh |
| 08:01.37 | nvz | actually I probably could do it from here come to think of it |
| 08:01.44 | nvz | I just don't wanna think that hard |
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| 08:02.33 | nvz | the printer is running on cups, so it should be possible if I scp the file.. but I don't offhand know how to print an XLS from commandline anyhow |
| 08:02.44 | nvz | its only half a block away :P |
| 08:02.49 | simonrvn | xoory, thirst: FYI, it's just a simple littl RST packet to close it |
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| 08:03.13 | simonrvn | you !lazy bum ;p |
| 08:03.19 | xoory | simonrvn : yes |
| 08:03.28 | simonrvn | (note the ! ;) |
| 08:04.41 | xoory | :lazy |
| 08:04.55 | xoory | !lazy |
| 08:04.55 | dpkg | Well, we don't service lazy people, sorry. |
| 08:05.01 | xoory | ;-) |
| 08:05.49 | JeffH | I have hdb1, hdb2 and hdb3.. can I repartition to hdb1 and hdb2 without losing data on hdb1? |
| 08:06.26 | simonrvn | you're changing the partition size. yes |
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| 08:06.33 | simonrvn | er, no rather |
| 08:06.51 | JeffH | even though I'm not touching the partition size of hdb1? |
| 08:06.55 | simonrvn | use parted or something |
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| 08:07.18 | simonrvn | oh, probably not then... use parted just in case anyway ;) |
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| 08:07.39 | JeffH | gotcha.. thanks. |
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| 08:08.11 | simonrvn | i've done it, but it makes me nervous |
| 08:08.45 | jetscreamer | i tried parted once |
| 08:08.48 | jetscreamer | never again |
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| 08:09.18 | simonrvn | it's a PIAT admittedly |
| 08:09.21 | simonrvn | PITA |
| 08:09.30 | jetscreamer | esp windows |
| 08:09.35 | jetscreamer | if it's on the hd |
| 08:09.38 | jetscreamer | i mean |
| 08:10.00 | jetscreamer | there's some partition setting in some winnt\$BTsomethine |
| 08:10.11 | jetscreamer | or not setting but what it is.. the value |
| 08:10.14 | jetscreamer | but anyway |
| 08:10.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | Is there a way to turn the caps lock key into a backspace (software side)? |
| 08:10.31 | simonrvn | a backspace? |
| 08:10.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | caps lock is wholly unneccessary, as opposed to a backspace |
| 08:10.43 | simonrvn | xmodmap |
| 08:10.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | ok, thanks |
| 08:10.52 | simonrvn | i made mine into control |
| 08:10.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | But also for command line |
| 08:11.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | Not just Xorg |
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| 08:12.23 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: use xmodmap |
| 08:12.32 | Guerin | i turned mine into another shift |
| 08:12.34 | simonrvn | cp your current keymap and edit it, and make sure you load that one |
| 08:12.44 | Guerin | oh |
| 08:12.56 | simonrvn | that's for console |
| 08:13.05 | Guerin | on console there's another tool, like xmodmap |
| 08:13.14 | Guerin | but I forget :) |
| 08:13.24 | simonrvn | i did it the old fashioned way ;p |
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| 08:15.50 | simonrvn | afk, making buffalo burgers |
| 08:16.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | simonrvn: What options do you pass to xmodmap? |
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| 08:19.22 | omind | thirst : i have just installed the upgrade of iceweasel |
| 08:19.33 | nvz | hmm I thought my bike got stolen two days ago I went outside and it wasnt there.. I just found it down in the council chambers when I went to go print that invoice. I don't remember ever taking it down there.. weird |
| 08:19.41 | omind | thirst : cool, now wheni close the iceweasel window |
| 08:20.03 | omind | thirst : there is no google connected !! |
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| 08:20.29 | xlotlu | nvz: should consider visiting a shrink :) |
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| 08:20.49 | nvz | xlotlu: hah, yeah right.. then who'd she see for help? |
| 08:21.06 | nvz | psychosis is contagious :P |
| 08:22.06 | nvz | I tell people when they ask me if I got problems.. shit, I got more issues than time magazine |
| 08:22.31 | nvz | i tried to unsubscribe, they just keep showing up on my doorstep |
| 08:22.34 | nvz | heh |
| 08:23.14 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 08:23.49 | simonrvn | our cat just loves the stuff (buffalo) |
| 08:24.14 | JeffH | has anyone here created a small home raid setup? Was it expensive? |
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| 08:24.26 | nvz | Thats like this girl I met on the internet.. one of her friends tried to tell me I was weird recently.. |
| 08:24.28 | xand | JeffH: that's what mdadm is for |
| 08:24.39 | JeffH | xand: what's that? |
| 08:24.45 | simonrvn | JeffH: s/w raid with mdadm ;) |
| 08:24.52 | xand | software raid thing |
| 08:24.55 | nvz | I was like no, I'm strange.. weird would suggest I am supernatural.. I'm just unlike anything you know at this point.. I am strange |
| 08:25.04 | simonrvn | heh |
| 08:25.04 | xand | it's easy.. the I in RAID stands for Inexpensive ;) |
| 08:25.05 | JeffH | gotcha.. guess I was talking more about hardware raid. |
| 08:25.12 | xand | hardware raid isn't worth it |
| 08:25.22 | JeffH | xand: why not? |
| 08:25.30 | nvz | so I changed my name on myspace to Passing Strange.. cause apparently I'm talking things to a whole new level |
| 08:25.52 | simonrvn | heh |
| 08:26.00 | xand | !hardware raid |
| 08:26.03 | xand | !raid |
| 08:26.04 | dpkg | i heard raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, [Software Raid], http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels |
| 08:26.07 | xand | bah |
| 08:26.14 | nvz | And of course I had to do something goofy and change my photo to 3 cats humping |
| 08:26.20 | JeffH | I can see where a raided storage server for a home network would be useful. |
| 08:26.42 | nvz | that is a killer pic.. I'd hate to be that little cat on the bottom though.. got one cat on her back then another on top of that one |
| 08:27.03 | simonrvn | group cat fuck |
| 08:27.09 | Guerin | ... |
| 08:27.18 | nvz | yeah.. I shut that friend of hers up real quick |
| 08:27.38 | JeffH | what's faster, USB2 or 100Mb ethernet? |
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| 08:28.02 | nvz | none of her damn business anyhow... if the girl had a problem with me being strange, she'd have told me |
| 08:28.17 | xand | JeffH: well, theoretically USB2 is 480Mbps |
| 08:29.07 | JeffH | okay.. just trying to decide whether I should move my usb drive before copying some files or just copy them over the network. |
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| 08:29.17 | nvz | I've heard no complaints what-so-ever. Besides.. I artificially exaggerate how strange I am sometimes... part of the discovery protocol.. learning your boundaries with someone new. |
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| 08:31.57 | JeffH | does a usb hard drive just show up as hdc? |
| 08:32.03 | nvz | nope |
| 08:32.09 | dragonheart | sdc |
| 08:32.10 | simonrvn | sd* |
| 08:32.14 | nvz | USB would use the scsi disk module |
| 08:32.17 | JeffH | thanks. |
| 08:32.52 | nvz | scsi sounds sleasy for some reason |
| 08:33.22 | nvz | hey man, did you probe her scsi bus? |
| 08:33.26 | JeffH | hm.. doesn't mount autodetect the filesystem on the drive? |
| 08:33.29 | simonrvn | in the old days scsi was said as 'sexy' on the east coast and 'scuzzy' on the west coast u.s. |
| 08:33.51 | Guerin | JeffH: it can. Sometimes. |
| 08:33.59 | nvz | I've never heard it pronounced like sexy |
| 08:34.18 | JeffH | hm.. |
| 08:35.09 | JeffH | is there a program I can run that will give me info about attached usb devices? |
| 08:35.14 | Guerin | lsusb |
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| 08:35.46 | JeffH | tx.. hm.. my usb drive doesn't seem to show up. |
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| 08:37.50 | Guerin | mmm, bacon & egg pie |
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| 08:39.23 | simonrvn | nvz: i haven't either, this was like the 70s or early 80s or something |
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| 08:40.20 | liable | Guerin: i think a guinness would compliment that nicely |
| 08:40.33 | Guerin | quite nicely, indeed |
| 08:41.04 | simonrvn | bacon and egg *pie*? |
| 08:41.19 | nvz | simonrvn: ah well shit.. I was only born in 83 |
| 08:41.20 | Guerin | simonrvn: this is some sort of foreignness to you? |
| 08:41.25 | liable | ya, kinda like a quiche, but with bacon and eggs :) |
| 08:41.48 | simonrvn | Guerin: first time i've heard of it |
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| 08:42.07 | liable | english origins i think |
| 08:42.12 | Guerin | simonrvn: flaky pastry, throw in chopped up bacon ends, sliced onion, crack in eggs, cover with more pastry, cook |
| 08:42.26 | nvz | ugh stfu |
| 08:42.29 | simonrvn | liable: figures ;p |
| 08:42.42 | simonrvn | Guerin: quiche with a lid |
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| 08:42.45 | liable | quite tasty though |
| 08:42.53 | nvz | now I'm hungry |
| 08:43.14 | Guerin | it's one of the world's most portable foods, because once it's cooked and cooled it's plenty solid, and good eats hot or cold |
| 08:43.48 | nvz | cept I don't have anything half as good as what you are making me hungry for |
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| 08:44.11 | liable | chew a fingernail |
| 08:44.33 | nvz | eww |
| 08:44.39 | lhunath | er. I've got a bit of an issue with installing artwiz-cursor: |
| 08:44.40 | lhunath | Leaving `diversion of /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/cursor.pcf.gz to /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/cursor.pcf.gz-artwiz by artwiz-cursor' |
| 08:44.42 | nvz | there's no telling what's under there |
| 08:44.44 | lhunath | update-alternatives: Cannot find alternative `/etc/X11/cursors/core.theme'. |
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| 08:45.11 | nvz | I got pop tarts.. but hell thats just gonna piss my stomach off |
| 08:45.20 | lhunath | as a result it's stuck in a state between installed and not installed; I can't remove it and undo its changes and apt-get keeps showing it up as though it needs to be processd still whenever I do something else. |
| 08:45.23 | simonrvn | lhunath: the packaging seems buggered. file a bug if there isn't one for that already |
| 08:45.30 | JeffH | is there an option with cp to show a % complete or something so I'm not just sitting here wondering how far its gotten? |
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| 08:45.34 | nvz | things like pop-tarts just make me more hungry |
| 08:45.54 | simonrvn | lhunath: edit the postinst or {pre,post}rm |
| 08:46.03 | Guerin | JeffH: -v, or use rsync |
| 08:46.05 | liable | i dunno how you guys eat that crap |
| 08:46.05 | dragonheart | JeffH: could use rsync instead if you want progress displays |
| 08:46.23 | lhunath | simonrvn: where would I find these? in the .deb? |
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| 08:46.26 | Guerin | liable: nor me. |
| 08:46.55 | simonrvn | /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.{pre,post}{inst,rm} |
| 08:47.09 | lhunath | thanks. |
| 08:47.41 | lhunath | simonrvn: it's not there as it's not yet installed; heh. |
| 08:47.54 | liable | it should be |
| 08:48.03 | liable | they get installed when the deb gets unpacked |
| 08:48.29 | simonrvn | if it's unpacked, it is, just install it again |
| 08:48.29 | lhunath | well; appearantly this one's stubburn. perhaps it didn't manage to get that far yet. |
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| 08:48.57 | simonrvn | if it hist --unpack it's gonna be iffy, if it hits --configure they'll be there |
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| 08:49.03 | liable | lhunath: have a better look, its those files that actually run things like alternatives |
| 08:49.04 | simonrvn | hits* |
| 08:49.48 | lhunath | ( can't "install it again", http://www.lhunath.lyndir.com/stuff/debian ) |
| 08:50.12 | simonrvn | like early into the installation it gets killed say, it won't be. a bit past --unpack chances are good they'll be there... man a spend too much time watching shit install..... |
| 08:50.27 | JeffH | Is there a good howto on setting up a software raid box? |
| 08:50.44 | simonrvn | tldp.org raid howto, the second version |
| 08:50.53 | lhunath | well; I think I would see it if it were there. anything I have installed is there, but nothing art* |
| 08:50.56 | simonrvn | the first version is dead |
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| 08:51.28 | simonrvn | maybe they removed the first version too ;p |
| 08:51.39 | simonrvn | i haven't been there in 2 years i think |
| 08:52.21 | simonrvn | lhunath: nothing at /var/lib/dpkg/info/artwiz-cursor* ? |
| 08:52.31 | liable | lhunath: any cursor* files? |
| 08:52.43 | simonrvn | more like *cursor* |
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| 08:53.28 | liable | ya, anything with cursor |
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| 08:53.42 | lhunath | /var/lib/dpkg/info/industrial-cursor-theme.* |
| 08:53.52 | lhunath | /var/lib/dpkg/info/libxcursor1.* |
| 08:53.57 | simonrvn | damn. wtf |
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| 08:54.11 | simonrvn | you dpkg -i the deb again? |
| 08:55.08 | lhunath | I apt-get installed it again, see the link I gave above for the result. should dpkg -i make a difference? |
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| 08:55.32 | simonrvn | no it'd run the install again without having to go through apt (for the most part; you wouldn't have apt in the way, and you're just dealing with dpkg) |
| 08:55.36 | liable | i dont see how it doesnt have the preinst in there |
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| 08:56.11 | simonrvn | i know |
| 08:56.19 | simonrvn | that's really bugging me |
| 08:56.57 | JeffH | how many sata disks does a typical motherboard support? |
| 08:57.02 | nvz | well I threw together two eggs on italian bread anyhow |
| 08:57.12 | simonrvn | it's 2 channels i think like regular ide |
| 08:57.13 | nvz | it has just been confirmed, it will make a turd.. |
| 08:57.18 | simonrvn | hehhe |
| 08:57.19 | xand | depends on the motherboard |
| 08:57.21 | xand | at least 2 |
| 08:57.21 | lhunath | well; same deal with dpkg -i, nothing apt-related. |
| 08:57.32 | simonrvn | lhunath: w. t. f. |
| 08:57.53 | JeffH | if I made a raid server I'd want at least 4 drives in the raid array. |
| 08:58.11 | xand | JeffH: many come with 4 |
| 08:58.13 | liable | lhunath: put your ls results for that dir on a pastebot |
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| 08:58.17 | xand | and you can get pci cards etc |
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| 08:58.25 | simonrvn | lhunath: ok, tell you what, let's do it this way. |
| 08:58.28 | lhunath | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:58.31 | lhunath | stat64("/var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=582, ...}) = 0 |
| 08:58.32 | JeffH | perfect. then one ide drive for the OS and such. |
| 08:58.35 | lhunath | meh |
| 08:59.43 | liable | ok, does that file still exist? |
| 08:59.44 | lhunath | http://www.lhunath.lyndir.com/stuff/debian < ls -al on that dir. |
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| 09:00.13 | lhunath | liable: nope. |
| 09:00.22 | simonrvn | lhunath: find yourself a tmp dir, extract the deb's control tarball, ar p thefile.deb control.tar.gz | tar xz - |
| 09:00.40 | simonrvn | zx rather |
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| 09:01.29 | simonrvn | lhunath: you trying to remove this package, right? |
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| 09:02.04 | nvz | simonrvn: you do realize that apt has super cow powers right? |
| 09:02.10 | simonrvn | yup |
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| 09:02.16 | simonrvn | crap afk |
| 09:02.31 | nvz | the whole "apt in the way" thing sounded a bit condescending |
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| 09:03.17 | JeffH | so has anyone here created a raid server? how many disks did you use.. any hot spares? |
| 09:03.20 | simonrvn | no, just trying to eliminate a layer that's all |
| 09:03.40 | nevyn | JeffH: I have 4 500G disks in raid 5 |
| 09:03.44 | lhunath | *.debs are tar archives? |
| 09:03.47 | nevyn | I'm thinking about adding another |
| 09:03.59 | Guerin | lhunath: two tar.gz within an ar |
| 09:03.59 | nevyn | lhunath: nope they're ar archives |
| 09:04.03 | simonrvn | lhunath: no, they're ar archives, that has 1 text file and 2 tarballs |
| 09:04.28 | JeffH | nevyn: so you have 1.5T of space? Do you have a spare in there ready to be used in the case of a failure? |
| 09:04.30 | lhunath | oh, ar; thought you had mistyped tar. |
| 09:04.44 | simonrvn | lhunath: the control.tar.gz has the postint and other management stuff in it |
| 09:04.46 | Guerin | har. |
| 09:04.50 | simonrvn | inst* |
| 09:04.51 | nvz | oh well I'm going to sleep people are gonna be annoying me today.. probably sooner than I realize or could possibly appreciate |
| 09:05.06 | simonrvn | nvz: g'night |
| 09:05.09 | nvz | I have no clue what time this meeting is.. but I assume its in the evening |
| 09:05.58 | lhunath | http://www.lhunath.lyndir.com/stuff/preinst |
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| 09:06.31 | nevyn | JeffH: it can run degraded for a bit till I go grab another disk |
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| 09:06.39 | nvz | I need to have a kid so I can give em my cell phone when I don't want to be bothered.. people will call to ask me stupid computer questions and the kid will just ask them why like 100,000 times |
| 09:06.40 | nevyn | it's mostly just for mythtv |
| 09:06.52 | lhunath | I don't have any "/etc/X11/cursors/core.theme" |
| 09:06.54 | nevyn | there's only about 2gig of important stuff on it |
| 09:06.55 | JeffH | nevyn: gotcha.. is it your backend? |
| 09:07.01 | simonrvn | lhunath: try touching it |
| 09:07.02 | nevyn | yep |
| 09:07.19 | lhunath | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:07.19 | lhunath | xcursor-themes: etc/X11/cursors/core.theme |
| 09:07.24 | lhunath | maybe I should just install that |
| 09:07.32 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 09:07.42 | nvz | sounds like you are explaining sex to a retard |
| 09:07.57 | nvz | "trying to remove layers", now "try touching it" |
| 09:08.07 | abchirk | heay |
| 09:08.09 | abchirk | Hi all |
| 09:08.16 | simonrvn | nvz: hehehe |
| 09:08.19 | Guerin | nvz: and the bit about the backend |
| 09:08.20 | JeffH | I have too many damn boxes I wanna build.. wanna create a mythtv box... and a raid server box. |
| 09:08.40 | lhunath | yeah, works now; I blame the set -e in that preinst for breaking stuff. |
| 09:08.55 | lhunath | and the file should depend on xcursor-themes |
| 09:08.58 | Guerin | lhunath: bugfiling is mandatory, citizen. |
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| 09:09.01 | lhunath | s/file/package/ |
| 09:09.01 | JeffH | nevyn: you run a web or mail server or anything like that on it? |
| 09:09.09 | lhunath | guerin: I suppose :) |
| 09:09.14 | Guerin | lhunath: Debiankind thanks you for your thoroughness. |
| 09:09.23 | nevyn | JeffH: nope there are other systems for that |
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| 09:09.35 | nevyn | and WHY on earth would yhou need that much space for a webserver. |
| 09:09.38 | nevyn | ? |
| 09:09.50 | JeffH | nevyn: how many boxes do you have? |
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| 09:10.10 | nevyn | ummm.. counting workstations/desktops? |
| 09:10.22 | JeffH | servers |
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| 09:10.39 | nevyn | 2 |
| 09:10.46 | abchirk | 3 |
| 09:11.03 | nevyn | mytbackend.. + internet mail/web server |
| 09:11.06 | abchirk | Sorry thaught thats a count game |
| 09:11.31 | JeffH | nevyn: your db on the mythbackend or the other server? |
| 09:11.45 | nevyn | for myth on the backend |
| 09:11.53 | TraceGreen | Hello, I try to replace debian's livecd kernel from 2.6.18 to 2.6.22, but after that, sata harddisk can not recongnized. |
| 09:11.59 | nevyn | there's also a seperate frontend |
| 09:12.05 | JeffH | nod.. |
| 09:12.11 | JeffH | is the frontend diskless? |
| 09:12.17 | Guerin | TraceGreen: debian livecd isn't supported here. |
| 09:12.17 | nevyn | and a workstation for my wife and a laptop for me and a wireless gateway.. |
| 09:12.24 | nevyn | ooh 3 servers |
| 09:12.39 | TraceGreen | Guerin, so, where shall i ask this question? |
| 09:12.41 | nevyn | the community wireless box is a "server" |
| 09:12.59 | Guerin | TraceGreen: dunno. #debian on irc.oftc.net might know. |
| 09:13.27 | JeffH | I REALLY wanna set up a mythtv box.. I got comcast digital cable and a DVR last month and while it's cool, the extra $40/month it costs is just insane. |
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| 09:14.26 | nevyn | my frontend is not diskless |
| 09:14.30 | nevyn | it's an old p3 system |
| 09:14.35 | nevyn | hrm |
| 09:14.41 | nevyn | oops p4 3Ghz |
| 09:14.50 | JeffH | I think it would be cool to have a diskless frontend. |
| 09:15.01 | nevyn | I concur |
| 09:15.18 | nevyn | having a disk isn't that big a deal |
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| 09:15.31 | nevyn | main thing is that it needs to be quieter than the projector |
| 09:15.34 | alex___ | nevyn, lol old |
| 09:15.44 | JeffH | I've heard that mythtv is requires constant tinkering.. is that true? |
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| 09:15.50 | nevyn | meh it does the job |
| 09:16.19 | nevyn | JeffH: it takes some significant tinkering to get things how you want |
| 09:16.22 | JeffH | you got a nice htpc case? |
| 09:16.24 | nvz | so does a $2 hooker but doesnt mean she won't give you herpes |
| 09:16.29 | nevyn | and occasionally the developers break something |
| 09:16.51 | nevyn | JeffH: not yet.. it's on the list |
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| 09:17.14 | JeffH | nevyn: well, I'd think once you got things working you wouldn't take any updates unless they were compelling. |
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| 09:18.07 | nevyn | new features are compelling |
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| 09:18.28 | nevyn | new features are compelling |
| 09:18.41 | nevyn | better ad skipping mame support |
| 09:18.43 | JeffH | depends on what the features are.. haha |
| 09:18.46 | nevyn | dvd playback |
| 09:18.51 | nvz | !sns syndrome |
| 09:18.51 | dpkg | it has been said that sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Software Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 09:19.10 | nevyn | yeah I have that pretty bad |
| 09:19.36 | Guerin | dpkg, sns syndrome =~ s/Software/Shit/ |
| 09:19.36 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 09:19.37 | JeffH | nvz: I have that when it comes to Quicken for some reason. haha |
| 09:19.37 | nevyn | hence unstable/experimiental |
| 09:20.03 | JeffH | nevyn: you run your mthy box with unstable? |
| 09:20.07 | nevyn | quicken fix tax stuff in new releases |
| 09:20.11 | nevyn | yep |
| 09:20.24 | JeffH | WOW.. no wonder |
| 09:20.46 | JeffH | nevyn: what about your other server? |
| 09:20.59 | JeffH | I woudln't dream of running a server on anything but stable. |
| 09:21.03 | nevyn | sarge wasn't even close to cutting it for media |
| 09:21.25 | nevyn | web server is freebsd 4.x |
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| 09:21.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | How do I see which program is using a module? |
| 09:21.37 | nevyn | the internet facing stuff is quite stable |
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| 09:22.01 | omind | lsmod |
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| 09:22.52 | nvz | Dark_Apostrophe: the module would connect to a device node to be accessed by a program |
| 09:22.57 | JeffH | I should do some pricing and see how much it would cost to build a myth frontend and a raid backend. |
| 09:23.12 | nvz | Dark_Apostrophe: lsof or fuser can tell you what is using a device node |
| 09:24.55 | JeffH | for a raid settup I'd think the most expensive part would be the disks. |
| 09:25.16 | nvz | you can get like 500GB Sata drives for like $110 right now |
| 09:25.20 | nevyn | JeffH: if you want a LOT of spindles |
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| 09:25.41 | nevyn | you end up spending more per disk slot on the enclosure than on the disks |
| 09:26.01 | nevyn | once you pass about 8 disks |
| 09:26.15 | JeffH | nevyn: probably 6 drives.. 4 for the raid, 1 spare and 1 for the OS |
| 09:26.16 | nevyn | oh and something to plug them into |
| 09:26.35 | nevyn | buy small os disk |
| 09:26.39 | nevyn | and mirror them |
| 09:26.49 | nevyn | (you could even use pata for this) |
| 09:27.04 | nevyn | get a motherboard with lots of sata ports |
| 09:27.09 | JeffH | that's an idea.. 2 40GB disks would be MORE than enough. |
| 09:27.21 | nevyn | right |
| 09:27.30 | omind | is there a tool to browse all available packages graphically without having them already installed ? |
| 09:27.41 | JeffH | raid server need lots of memory? |
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| 09:27.45 | nevyn | synaptic |
| 09:27.46 | nvz | thats what bill gates said about 64k ram |
| 09:27.51 | omind | and be able to know them by cathegory ! |
| 09:27.56 | nvz | who's laughing now?! |
| 09:28.03 | nevyn | JeffH: if you're worried about performance the more ram the better |
| 09:28.07 | thedonvaughn | omind: aptitude is your friend |
| 09:28.08 | JeffH | nvz: Bill Gates never said that. |
| 09:28.11 | nevyn | but what are you trying to achieve here |
| 09:28.23 | omind | yes but aptiude is not graphical !! |
| 09:28.30 | JeffH | nevyn: just a centralized place for file storage. |
| 09:28.42 | JeffH | Including media |
| 09:28.51 | omind | yes |
| 09:29.07 | nevyn | myth can get io heavy particularly if you have multiple highdef streams |
| 09:29.41 | JeffH | for now I'd have 0 high def streams. |
| 09:29.42 | nevyn | but my system copes perfectly fine with 3 standard def channesl |
| 09:30.08 | JeffH | nevyn: how much memory do you have? |
| 09:30.20 | nevyn | 2gig |
| 09:30.34 | JeffH | what cpu? |
| 09:30.44 | nevyn | core 2 |
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| 09:31.12 | nevyn | it was a little more than the amd but it's been a world less suffering |
| 09:31.26 | JeffH | nevyn: you have the disks setup for easy access? Or do you have to open your case? |
| 09:31.50 | nevyn | I have a chenbro hotswap cage |
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| 09:32.01 | JeffH | Nice! |
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| 09:32.23 | nevyn | but I didn't have to pay for it or I wouldn't have one. |
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| 09:32.51 | PingFloyd | omind: it uses ncurses |
| 09:33.05 | PingFloyd | omind: you can run it from the command line or use the ui |
| 09:33.21 | omind | thanks |
| 09:35.08 | PingFloyd | there's synaptic, but its functionality is rather lacking |
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| 09:36.28 | Siddharta | hello everybody |
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| 09:36.56 | Siddharta | why sshd is not installed by default on etch ? |
| 09:36.58 | JeffH | hot swap cages seem like a good idea for a raid setup. |
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| 09:37.31 | xand | Siddharta: because not everyone needs it |
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| 09:37.59 | JeffH | don't see any cages on chenbro's website. |
| 09:38.27 | Siddharta | so the package is openssh -server isn't it ? |
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| 09:39.53 | nevyn | JeffH: http://www.chenbro.com/corporatesite/products_detail.php?serno=78 |
| 09:40.02 | JeffH | thanks. |
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| 09:40.49 | JeffH | nevyn: so you wouldn't bother with hot swap cages if you didn't get them for free? |
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| 09:41.29 | JeffH | nevyn: is your raid server a rack mount? |
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| 09:41.40 | bimmel | hey guys, is an englishman here, who can do me a favour at an off-topic please? |
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| 09:43.06 | nevyn | no |
| 09:43.24 | alex___ | bimmel, im in the uk |
| 09:43.30 | nevyn | JeffH: I'd get a case withhotswap bays |
| 09:43.36 | nevyn | but I wouldn't buy the adapter |
| 09:43.46 | GreaseMonkey | night all |
| 09:43.57 | JeffH | hm.. what's the adapter? |
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| 09:44.11 | bimmel | alex___: can you write down the speech of this video for me, my english is too bad to understand him talking http://www.dirty-pages.de/new-world-disorder-8-teaser/ |
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| 09:44.20 | simonrvn | the thingy to plug onto the drive, that inserts into the cage |
| 09:44.23 | nevyn | the thing I just showed you |
| 09:44.25 | alex___ | bimmel, no sound sorry - at work |
| 09:44.49 | nevyn | well yeah but that's not what I ment |
| 09:44.50 | nevyn | sigh |
| 09:45.03 | simonrvn | ah |
| 09:45.25 | bimmel | oh okay, but thanks a lot for your offered help |
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| 09:45.41 | alex___ | no problem |
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| 09:48.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me out with this compilation problem? http://paste.debian.net/34511 |
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| 09:49.14 | trollala | heloo there |
| 09:49.37 | trollala | is there a way to connect on a debian maschine if this maschine has no opensshserver installed, but I know user, root passwd? |
| 09:49.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | telnet? |
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| 09:50.08 | trollala | Dark_Apostrophe: I didn't install telnet during installation.. |
| 09:50.09 | dragonheart | walk? |
| 09:50.18 | Ronin | sneakernet time |
| 09:50.24 | xand | bad Dark_Apostrophe |
| 09:50.25 | px49 | ftp and add ssh to cron! |
| 09:50.28 | niru | hi all |
| 09:50.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | xand: What? |
| 09:50.37 | xand | suggesting telnet :) |
| 09:50.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | Well I don't know any alternatives |
| 09:50.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | ssh and telnet |
| 09:50.58 | xand | telnet is very bad |
| 09:50.59 | xand | !telnet |
| 09:50.59 | dpkg | i heard telnet is an old protocol for remotely logging in to another computer. It is one of the basic utilities for TCP/IP. It is very insecure as it sends all traffic in plaintext! Seriously consider using ssh instead. see telnet-ssl, this one has encryption and certificates support (but that's useless without a remote telnetd-ssl except to play and telnet to an https web server) |
| 09:51.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | xand: I know, I know |
| 09:51.09 | JeffH | who makes cases with hotswap bays? |
| 09:51.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | But it's better than nothing, if available |
| 09:51.24 | xand | JeffH: you tend to buy a hotswap bay seperately |
| 09:51.29 | trollala | I don0t have ans of it Dark_Apostrophe: nor telnet or ssh, I forgot... and now I really need to connect to thsi maschine.. |
| 09:51.32 | xand | JeffH: ##hardware best place to ask |
| 09:51.38 | nevyn | nope |
| 09:51.44 | nevyn | but anyway |
| 09:51.48 | nevyn | hometime |
| 09:51.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | trollala: Can't help ya then, sorry |
| 09:52.03 | JeffH | nevyn: thanks for the info. |
| 09:52.06 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: are the debian alsa packages not to your liking? |
| 09:52.16 | snowbird | hey the mill |
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| 09:52.27 | trollala | arh :S someone knows how to do it.. I mean how the hackers works.. |
| 09:52.29 | themill | trollala: a default install as no open services. |
| 09:52.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: They don't work for my soung card |
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| 09:52.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: see bug 3104 in alsa's bugtracker |
| 09:53.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | So can anyone please help me compile it? |
| 09:54.37 | px49 | Dark_Apostrophe: try apt-get install libalsaplayer-dev |
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| 09:56.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | px49: It doesn't work |
| 09:56.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | px49: I've tried all debian alternatives |
| 09:56.38 | px49 | Hmmm... |
| 09:56.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | _ONLY_ ALSA cvs works :) |
| 09:56.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | *mercurial |
| 09:56.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | See bug 3104 |
| 09:57.02 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: are you able to cherrypick that patch and bring it in to the debian alsa package? |
| 09:57.03 | px49 | ok |
| 09:57.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: No idea |
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| 09:57.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | But in order to build a package, I'd still have to be able to compile it |
| 09:58.01 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: it's easier for us if you give a url for a bug rather than us having to find their bug system first... https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=3104 |
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| 09:58.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | I didn't have the url at hand, sorry |
| 09:58.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | I just remembered the bug number |
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| 09:59.27 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: the debian alsa-source package is already set up to compile under debian, that's all I'm thinking. If you're having to do things the hard way, then even picking up the debian alsa-source package and then dropping the cvs head into it to do the compilation would be possible... |
| 09:59.51 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: or ask about this config file in #alsa. It sounds like the sort of thing that some sort of autotool should be making. |
| 10:00.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | I've been in #alsa since last night, no reply |
| 10:00.18 | px49 | you can also try this: apt-get install libasound2-dev |
| 10:00.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's already installed, px49 |
| 10:00.58 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: that's odd... normally the guys in #alsa are really helpful |
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| 10:01.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: Join and see for yourself ;) |
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| 10:01.47 | Rowan | i need cheat codes to debian |
| 10:01.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | Maybe they're asleep/at work/something |
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| 10:02.49 | Rowan | i need cracks or warez to debian, anyone have? |
| 10:02.57 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: that happens occasionally. about 1500-2000 UTC is usually a good time for them, IIRC. |
| 10:03.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | Rowan: Debian is free software, both in the freedom and the price sense |
| 10:03.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | Rowan: You do not need any cracks or anything |
| 10:03.32 | Rowan | :P |
| 10:03.35 | pngwn | Rowan, go away |
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| 10:04.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | px49: What do I do now? |
| 10:04.30 | px49 | I don't know! |
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| 10:05.31 | simonrvn | Rowan: go away troll |
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| 10:06.00 | Rowan | im not trolling im just bored |
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| 10:06.15 | Rowan | he i could have told you that software is useless without hardware and windows vista is the pwn |
| 10:06.17 | Rowan | *hey |
| 10:06.23 | simonrvn | Rowan: definition of trolling. go away |
| 10:06.29 | Rowan | even though thats all a complete lie |
| 10:06.41 | zoggy | hi there, please could someone just point me in the right direction: i'm trying to install debian etch (with kernel 2.6.18-4-686) onto a new intel media board (DG33TL), but the network controller (Intel Corporation Unknown device 294c (rev 02)) is not detected... would i a) update the kernel or b) download newer drivers (if so, where might one find those)... i've been searching for the last 3 hrs and am happy to do all the work, just not sure of general |
| 10:06.41 | zoggy | direction here, thanks a lot |
| 10:06.48 | xand | !ops Rowan trolling |
| 10:06.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xand complains about: Rowan trolling |
| 10:07.14 | simonrvn | Rowan: yeh hastalavista gets pwned in under 15 minutes. what's your point? |
| 10:07.39 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
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| 10:08.13 | TiMiDo | hey how do you play rm files? |
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| 10:08.15 | TiMiDo | on mozilla ? |
| 10:08.19 | Rowan | !ops xand sexually harassing me in private messages |
| 10:08.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: rowan complains about: xand sexually harassing me in private messages |
| 10:08.29 | peterS | Rowan: why don't I believe you? |
| 10:08.36 | simonrvn | oh ffs |
| 10:08.53 | simonrvn | lame |
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| 10:09.11 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: did you run autoconf? |
| 10:09.15 | simonrvn | !plonk |
| 10:09.15 | dpkg | i guess plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or or killfile. Plonk is British and Canadian slang for cheap wine. "Rodney, you plonker." |
| 10:09.32 | Rowan | <xand> leave me alone or I'm going to find your house, kill your dog, rape you and your sister |
| 10:09.38 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 10:09.38 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@dsl-dhcp-211-039.kpunet.net] by peterS |
| 10:09.38 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 10:09.44 | _stranger_ | :))) |
| 10:09.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: yes |
| 10:09.51 | simonrvn | thanks peterS |
| 10:10.00 | themill | xand: that's you being polite, isn't it? |
| 10:10.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: If I had not, there wouldn't have been a configure file |
| 10:10.23 | simonrvn | themill: what is? |
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| 10:10.40 | simonrvn | i had Rowan on /ig -replies ;) |
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| 10:11.13 | themill | simonrvn: Rowan was making up nice messages from xand about how he was going eat his firstborn or something |
| 10:11.32 | simonrvn | i saw the !ops Rowan did. how lame |
| 10:11.42 | themill | simonrvn: provided brief amusement at the lameness. |
| 10:11.49 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 10:13.43 | Shrimp | What are the advantages of using Debian core over Ubuntu? |
| 10:13.50 | jelly-home | it works? |
| 10:13.53 | simonrvn | 'Debian core'? |
| 10:14.11 | jelly-home | simonrvn: as opposed to anything "based on" |
| 10:14.23 | Shrimp | I mean, Debian is the core of all other debian-based distros |
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| 10:15.04 | Shrimp | So why use it when I can use more feature-enhanced distors |
| 10:15.16 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: hmm... the alsa pages don't actually say to run ./configure except with --help, which doesn't seem right. But I'm afraid I'm out of ideas. http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/AlsaCVS |
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| 10:15.31 | jelly-home | Shrimp: usually more features equals more bugs |
| 10:15.34 | themill | Shrimp: more bug ridden, you mean? |
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| 10:16.11 | Shrimp | ah I see, but i like to be on the bleeding edge of things if you say it like that |
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| 10:16.21 | jelly-home | Shrimp: I use it because upgrades work. |
| 10:16.23 | Shrimp | also, is xand a bot? he is saying gross things to me in dialog |
| 10:16.42 | _stranger_ | like what? )) |
| 10:16.57 | jelly-home | maybe someone got hold of xand's keyboard? :-) |
| 10:16.58 | Shrimp | threatening my pets, which I don't have except a goldfish |
| 10:16.59 | simonrvn | Shrimp is Rowan |
| 10:17.09 | _stranger_ | =) |
| 10:17.12 | px49 | Shrimp: Ubuntu is full of useless things |
| 10:17.26 | fireba11 | wtf ? if i install bacula-director-pgsql it pulls sqllite too .. ^^ |
| 10:17.52 | jelly-home | px49: if they were so useless, people wouldn't keep using it |
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| 10:18.04 | _stranger_ | guys, someone told me that debian - testing seems to be less stable, than ubuntu |
| 10:18.09 | _stranger_ | is that right? |
| 10:18.25 | peterS | probably |
| 10:18.33 | px49 | jelly-home: it's only usefull for few people |
| 10:18.34 | simonrvn | hmm, seems we have a continuance of the ubuntu trolls |
| 10:18.39 | Shrimp | what the heck, now simonrvn sent me to some site called goatse.cz |
| 10:18.42 | peterS | is it Sunday in ubuntuland? |
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| 10:18.56 | jelly-home | thanks. |
| 10:19.00 | simonrvn | ty |
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| 10:20.35 | jelly-home | px49: I find Ubuntu's additions quite useful for a normal desktop/laptop user, but the implementation is often lacking |
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| 10:21.03 | geaaru | hi at all, i just installed debian, but i have problem with sudo and su |
| 10:21.09 | geaaru | geaaru@punisher:~$ sudo ls |
| 10:21.09 | geaaru | sudo: must be setuid root |
| 10:21.23 | geaaru | what's means "must be setuid root" |
| 10:21.35 | geaaru | sudo permission are correct, (maybe) |
| 10:21.36 | px49 | jelly-home:yes, Ubuntu is very user friendly |
| 10:21.38 | jelly-home | geaaru: ls -l `which sudo` |
| 10:21.43 | LightKnight | geaaru: man sudo, man chmod |
| 10:22.00 | geaaru | ls -l `which sudo` |
| 10:22.01 | geaaru | ---s--x--x 2 root root 91700 Apr 15 2006 /usr/bin/sudo |
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| 10:22.14 | px49 | cat /etc/sudoers |
| 10:22.22 | jelly-home | geaaru: which release of debian are you using? |
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| 10:22.29 | simonrvn | -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 100K 2007-04-03 23:54 /usr/bin/sudo |
| 10:22.30 | LightKnight | urgh, no read permissions? |
| 10:22.31 | peterS | that doesn't look like debian. in debian, we always use read permission on things like that |
| 10:22.40 | geaaru | debian version 4.0 |
| 10:22.53 | peterS | since there isn't much point in trying to hide the contents of a binary that anyone can download from hundreds of FTP sites |
| 10:23.00 | jelly-home | geaaru: did you install some sort of hardening tool? |
| 10:23.06 | geaaru | no |
| 10:23.10 | simonrvn | -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 113K 2006-04-15 07:56 /usr/bin/sudo <-- PPC32 debian etch |
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| 10:23.23 | jelly-home | geaaru: you permissions have been messed with |
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| 10:23.27 | LightKnight | -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 91952 2007-04-04 05:54 /usr/bin/sudo || Debian Lenny :-) |
| 10:23.31 | LightKnight | Anyone else? :P |
| 10:23.33 | geaaru | i installed a new debian with deboostrap |
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| 10:23.52 | simonrvn | (first one was x86 debian sid) |
| 10:24.08 | geaaru | cat /etc/sudoers ---> |
| 10:24.10 | geaaru | Defaults env_reset |
| 10:24.14 | geaaru | # User privilege specification |
| 10:24.15 | geaaru | root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 10:24.15 | geaaru | geaaru ALL= PASSWD: ALL, NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/iptables |
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| 10:24.22 | simonrvn | not in here |
| 10:24.23 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 10:24.23 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 10:25.00 | geaaru | i'm sorry |
| 10:25.05 | px49 | nothing wrong there... |
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| 10:27.03 | simonrvn | hmm, Pmirhs was one of the trolls too |
| 10:27.11 | geaaru | i had set sudo permission with u+rws, g+rx, o+rx but i have always same error |
| 10:27.19 | jelly-home | geaaru: cat you pastebin output of cat /proc/mounts ? |
| 10:27.30 | geaaru | ok |
| 10:27.42 | jelly-home | geaaru: in the unlikely event that your root or /usr is mounted nosuid |
| 10:28.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: Still getting the error |
| 10:29.12 | geaaru | http://paste.debian.net/34516 |
| 10:29.30 | themill | nosuid |
| 10:29.33 | geaaru | yep nosuid |
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| 10:30.07 | simonrvn | indeed heh |
| 10:30.16 | simonrvn | that'll do it ;) |
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| 10:30.53 | jelly-home | "Doctor, it hurts when I do this" |
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| 10:31.30 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: can you use an alsa daily snapshot rather than cvs head? They might be in better shape for compiling as they might have had autotools run over them properly. |
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| 10:32.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: Might be worth a try |
| 10:32.08 | TrustFund | I was pleasently surprised to see iceweasel install the flashplayer from inside the browser. |
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| 10:32.17 | simonrvn | jelly-home: "So don't do it anymore!" |
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| 10:32.29 | jelly-home | still looks to me like wrongdoings of some wannabe hardening tool |
| 10:32.33 | simonrvn | TrustFund: o_O |
| 10:32.46 | simonrvn | jelly-home: has that fishy smell yes |
| 10:32.50 | TrustFund | First try - no hassles |
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| 10:32.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: Mind if we talk in a query? |
| 10:33.19 | jelly-home | s/didn't/did make/ |
| 10:33.21 | simonrvn | ugh bastille... |
| 10:33.29 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: no, keep it in channel as there are others who are more likely to be able to help than me. :) |
| 10:33.38 | simonrvn | i tried it when i was a newbie... ouch |
| 10:33.46 | jelly-home | simmerz: it's been featured on /. yesterday I think :-) |
| 10:33.48 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: somewhere on the alsa lists... there is a mercurial script that might help. is there a ./hgcompile ? |
| 10:33.56 | jelly-home | simonrvn, even |
| 10:33.57 | simonrvn | jelly-home: oh no |
| 10:34.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: Ok. The reason was that it's annoying to look for relevant text among dozens of lines by other people |
| 10:34.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: Yes, but it also runs configure |
| 10:34.19 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.alsa.devel/47862 |
| 10:34.38 | jelly-home | simonrvn: expect more people with nosuid mounted / :-) |
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| 10:35.35 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 10:35.46 | simonrvn | is it even in debian still? must be |
| 10:35.52 | jelly-home | geaaru: anyway, it would be best to find out what exactly messed with your mount options and sudo permissions, so it does not happen again |
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| 10:37.00 | geaaru | yes, my fault, i had cut & paste of knoppix fstab (but it was for normal mount with noauto,exec options). Now, i set to defaults,nodev |
| 10:37.06 | geaaru | and now works |
| 10:37.10 | simonrvn | so it is.. |
| 10:37.13 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: does your irc client not highlight lines with your nick in it? that helps a lot in channel. But I'm pretty much out of ideas at present... I'm just googling around too. If you still don't get anywhere with any of the ideas we've been throwing around, then either ask again in a few hours when different ppl are around or try again in #alsa or try an alsa mailing list. |
| 10:37.31 | themill | !lart geaaru |
| 10:37.47 | jelly-home | ugh. / with nodev might work as long as you're running udev, but if it fails... |
| 10:38.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: Yeah, but I still often have to scroll up several pages :) |
| 10:38.10 | omind | !lart |
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| 10:39.04 | TrustFund | woot - 4.0 running in VirtualBox on XP in 128 MB Ram...Hot |
| 10:39.07 | simonrvn | Dark_Apostrophe: having the window bigger than 80x20 helps too :P |
| 10:39.30 | antgel | no, it's w00t |
| 10:39.37 | jelly-home | wot? |
| 10:39.39 | TrustFund | right |
| 10:39.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | simonrvn: 1280x1024 |
| 10:39.53 | themill | antgel: no, in that case, it's probably more wtf |
| 10:39.53 | simonrvn | not big enough ;p |
| 10:40.00 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: characters?! wow. |
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| 10:40.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | simonrvn: :P |
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| 10:40.05 | antgel | themill: heh, indeed |
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| 10:40.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: pixels |
| 10:40.21 | simonrvn | j/k, i've got a 128x45 window on irssi here, on 1024x768 screen ;) |
| 10:40.32 | geaaru | thk for your help |
| 10:40.43 | jelly-home | simonrvn: whatcher done with the 3 lines missing? |
| 10:40.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | Using Konversation, here |
| 10:41.15 | simonrvn | actually, lemme check |
| 10:41.23 | simonrvn | 128x35 |
| 10:41.28 | jelly-home | ah |
| 10:42.19 | jelly-home | 128x48 is the size of the console with standard font size |
| 10:42.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | !hug KDE |
| 10:42.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | !smite GNOME |
| 10:42.19 | antgel | Dark_Apostrophe: you must have a big hand |
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| 10:42.33 | antgel | and no aesthetic values |
| 10:42.36 | simonrvn | jelly-home: mm, i don't like it too tall, but plenty wide |
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| 10:42.57 | jelly-home | simonrvn: buy a widescreen monitor! |
| 10:43.08 | simonrvn | send me one ;p |
| 10:43.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | antgel: The only two alternatives to KDE when it comes to beauty are Enlightenment and fvwm-crystal |
| 10:43.23 | jelly-home | simonrvn: lots of american girls fit that description too |
| 10:43.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | E is unfinished and fwvm-crystal is too minimal for my taste |
| 10:43.34 | simonrvn | heh heh |
| 10:43.41 | themill | jelly-home: what widescreen monitor? |
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| 10:43.56 | yang | hey MangosDebian are you around? |
| 10:44.00 | simonrvn | man, people with $$ to burn |
| 10:44.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | antgel: Can't afford that big monitors :) |
| 10:44.12 | jelly-home | themill: dunno, one that is plenty wide but not too tall. |
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| 10:44.43 | themill | jelly-home: no, I was meaning the description of american girls == widescreen... but maybe that was a bit too obtuse. |
| 10:44.57 | jelly-home | themill: oh |
| 10:45.02 | antgel | s/obtuse/unfunny |
| 10:45.09 | antgel | :D |
| 10:45.17 | simonrvn | / |
| 10:45.56 | jelly-home | well my remark wasn't that funee either. But as the late F. Mercury would say, fat bottomed girls make the rocking world go 'round |
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| 10:46.15 | antgel | s/girls/boys |
| 10:46.35 | jelly-home | suit yourself :-) |
| 10:46.57 | antgel | er, no, freddie mercury /should/ have said that |
| 10:47.09 | simonrvn | yeh, freddie was two spirited |
| 10:47.48 | simonrvn | er, gay, as you'd say |
| 10:48.07 | Penix | G4 in a beige box is teh roxor. my OF promt is 10x faster. lol kthx |
| 10:48.20 | simonrvn | Penix: hehehe |
| 10:48.32 | simonrvn | forgot the 'byez' |
| 10:48.55 | jelly-home | Penix: now you make me envious, my OP prompt on an Ultra 5 is sluggish |
| 10:49.10 | jelly-home | bai |
| 10:49.16 | simonrvn | even better |
| 10:49.27 | Penix | now to rid myself of this ugly powermac shell |
| 10:49.28 | jelly-home | icanhasframebuffer? |
| 10:49.31 | antgel | ooh an ultra 5. i had an ultra 5 and 10 back in the day at nortel - excellent machines |
| 10:49.59 | simonrvn | do they even exist still? :P |
| 10:50.07 | simonrvn | (nortel ;) |
| 10:50.14 | petemc | they sure do |
| 10:50.44 | antgel | dunno, i left in 2002 , unfortunately handed notice in a day before redundancies were announced |
| 10:50.51 | jelly-home | if by "excellent" you mean, crappy IDE and PCI - PC knockoff, then yes |
| 10:51.08 | Penix | sbus whore |
| 10:51.11 | antgel | yeah, but built like a volvo! |
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| 10:51.39 | antgel | you could chuck one out the window and still boot solaris |
| 10:52.06 | antgel | ide is crap, admittedly, mine had scsi disks and everything was on the network |
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| 10:53.09 | jelly-home | burnt my scsi controller on one... apparently scsi is not hotpluggable O:-) |
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| 10:53.19 | simonrvn | some isn't no |
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| 10:53.32 | simonrvn | the bus and drive have to support it |
| 10:53.41 | Penix | jelly-home: you yanked a regular 68pin or something? |
| 10:53.48 | jelly-home | Penix: ya! |
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| 10:53.50 | Penix | hehe |
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| 10:54.15 | xand | sigh |
| 10:54.16 | simonrvn | i've done it on non-hotplug scsi, but i took the device off the bus first, then spun it down, then unplugged it, carefully but quickly |
| 10:54.16 | *** kick/#debian [Harrison!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (Banned: join flood) |
| 10:54.35 | simonrvn | same moron from before |
| 10:54.43 | xand | you could have left the ban, debhelper ;) |
| 10:55.04 | xand | or did it... |
| 10:55.09 | xand | oh it did :) |
| 10:55.11 | simonrvn | it's the same ban |
| 10:55.20 | simonrvn | did it on the same line |
| 10:55.30 | xand | never seen debhelper ban anyone before ;) |
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| 10:55.43 | simonrvn | it's rare, but nice to see ;) |
| 10:55.43 | Penix | adding an extra pin to the Pentium M to stop normal socket 478 use is just mean. |
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| 10:55.49 | Penix | they're so cheap and sexy :( |
| 10:56.15 | xand | Penix: wire cutters |
| 10:56.21 | Penix | xand: or silly adapters |
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| 10:56.37 | themill | simonrvn: it's a bit sad to think about how much time and effort has gone into writing a bot that can kickban based on a join flood... how many more useful things could that time have been spent on *sigh* |
| 10:57.03 | simonrvn | themill: with moronicity comes having to do that shit :/ |
| 10:57.24 | simonrvn | some people can't control themselves... |
| 10:57.32 | simonrvn | or don't want to |
| 10:57.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: The snapshots failed to compile |
| 10:58.03 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: hmmph. |
| 10:58.10 | xand | themill: plenty of less useful things too :) |
| 10:58.13 | snowbird | the mill |
| 10:58.23 | xand | I can think of much bigger wastes of time/effort |
| 10:58.25 | xand | e.g. war |
| 10:58.30 | simonrvn | for sure |
| 10:58.33 | themill | there is that |
| 10:58.34 | antgel | !start a war |
| 10:58.35 | dpkg | from memory, start a war is GWB says you have WMD!!!! Mwhahaha |
| 10:58.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: pastebin.ca/66510 |
| 10:58.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: pastebin.ca/665410 * |
| 10:58.47 | Fox_1_ | people is apt-move right way to create debian mirror? |
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| 10:59.17 | simonrvn | Fox_1_: erm, you could use that, but there's better ways |
| 10:59.22 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: pastebin.ca/665410 third time lucky |
| 10:59.35 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: ugh http://pastebin.ca/655410 |
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| 10:59.55 | jelly-home | antgel: whatever has Iraq done to you? |
| 10:59.56 | Fox_1_ | simonrvn, yes I know rsync is better, but it's give error. |
| 11:00.30 | simonrvn | i wasn't thinking of rsync actually |
| 11:01.30 | petemc | debmirror? |
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| 11:01.52 | simonrvn | for instance |
| 11:02.05 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: hmm... lots of dodginess in the new realtek code? |
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| 11:03.16 | simonrvn | "Lost terminal" == "shit, i didn't mean to close the $^*%#$@ close box!!!!" |
| 11:03.43 | simonrvn | er, click the ... bah |
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| 11:04.03 | jelly-home | "Lost terminal"... hey, who moved the VT420 off my desk? |
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| 11:04.13 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: the new realtek code looks like it might be based against a different kernel. |
| 11:04.18 | simonrvn | jelly-home: hehe |
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| 11:04.46 | alex___ | jelly, oil |
| 11:05.11 | alex___ | jelly, and terrorism, also made some companies very rich |
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| 11:05.25 | alex___ | jelly-home, only at the cost of a view lives! |
| 11:05.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: So what do I do? I need sound :( |
| 11:05.30 | fireba11 | bah .. the etch bacula-director-postgres package is messed up ... found two bugs in it already, nothing serious though |
| 11:05.54 | alex___ | has anyone got DSPAM working on a debian box? |
| 11:06.02 | jelly-home | alex___: noone has oiled me. sadly. |
| 11:06.17 | simonrvn | jelly-home: heh heh heh |
| 11:06.38 | simonrvn | alex___: no. i tried and tried, and finally gave up on it and gave it the old -P |
| 11:06.52 | petemc | i know a few people using it |
| 11:07.15 | alex___ | simonrvn, yeah i had some trouble with it too |
| 11:07.19 | simonrvn | i must be stupid then |
| 11:07.29 | alex___ | im thinking of building a *shudders* ubuntu box just for it |
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| 11:08.13 | petemc | alex___: how are you trying to use it? |
| 11:08.16 | alex___ | petemc, anyone on this channel? |
| 11:08.25 | petemc | dont think so, exim peeps |
| 11:08.26 | jelly-home | alex___: the lure of the dark side strong is, yes |
| 11:08.49 | alex___ | petemc, postfix -> rbl -> DSPAM -> spamassasin -> gif scanner -> etc. |
| 11:09.15 | alex___ | just tunneling the emails to dspam i guess ? |
| 11:09.16 | simonrvn | i'm still using exim4 heavy + ldap + spamassassin, heh |
| 11:09.26 | simonrvn | oh and clamav |
| 11:09.27 | petemc | alex___: dont they stuff on their wiki about postfix integration? |
| 11:09.37 | simonrvn | they do |
| 11:09.42 | alex___ | petemc, i gotta do more homework on it |
| 11:09.46 | alex___ | hmmmm they do now? |
| 11:09.52 | alex___ | hrm, ill look into it |
| 11:10.04 | simonrvn | has postfix, exim integration |
| 11:10.13 | alex___ | what about couirer |
| 11:10.21 | alex___ | because i use maildrop etc... |
| 11:10.24 | simonrvn | don't remember seeing it |
| 11:10.24 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: as I said before... there's nothing more that I can suggest. |
| 11:10.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | :( |
| 11:10.37 | alex___ | rather than throwing all the emails into one big file (slow) |
| 11:10.39 | simonrvn | check though |
| 11:10.41 | alex___ | i use maildrop - courier etc |
| 11:10.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | Know anyone who knows a bit about ALSA, themill? |
| 11:10.59 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: #alsa :) |
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| 11:11.14 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: tried their any of their mailing lists yet? |
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| 11:11.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: Nope |
| 11:11.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: Been in there since last night |
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| 11:16.02 | Fox_1_ | can I start creattion be apt-move then continue update with debmirror? |
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| 11:16.13 | Hooi | hi guys |
| 11:16.31 | Hooi | i keep getting segmentation fault with my apache....what is the first step to solve this? |
| 11:16.47 | antgel | check your hardware, memory and disk |
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| 11:17.27 | themill | Hooi: try running apache without any extra modules loaded and see if you can narrow it down to one particular module or directive. |
| 11:18.19 | Hooi | k |
| 11:18.25 | Hooi | i will minimize modules, thanks |
| 11:18.26 | k | k |
| 11:18.34 | antgel | k |
| 11:18.43 | k | argh :S |
| 11:18.49 | dragonheart | y |
| 11:18.53 | liable | Hooi: this is a debian package of apache? |
| 11:19.04 | ambra | hello! |
| 11:19.06 | k | hi |
| 11:20.13 | Hooi | no it is xampp |
| 11:20.16 | simonrvn | k |
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| 11:20.27 | Hooi | latest xampp |
| 11:20.34 | ambra | I must go to take my olaunch |
| 11:20.40 | ambra | I must go to take my launch |
| 11:21.00 | Hooi | one more try ambra :) |
| 11:21.15 | themill | Hooi: that's not going to help... and it makes it pretty much impossible for us to help you. |
| 11:21.21 | xand | ambra: going into space? |
| 11:21.52 | k | ... |
| 11:22.12 | jelly-home | !xampp |
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| 11:22.30 | jelly-home | !google xampp |
| 11:22.34 | Hooi | themill....alright, i am running xampp |
| 11:22.35 | Hooi | [Mon Aug 13 13:11:38 2007] [notice] child pid 3507 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) |
| 11:22.35 | Hooi | [Mon Aug 13 13:11:49 2007] [error] server reached MaxClients setting, consider raising the MaxClients setting |
| 11:22.35 | Hooi | [Mon Aug 13 13:18:02 2007] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down |
| 11:22.35 | Hooi | [Mon Aug 13 13:18:13 2007] [notice] Apache/2.2.4 (Unix) DAV/2 PHP/5.2.3 mod_apreq2-20051231/2.5.7 mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.7 configured -- resuming normal operations |
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| 11:22.39 | norbert_ | hi, is there any way to have "sort" return only the first 8 resulting lines? (if needed with other command line tools) |
| 11:22.56 | antgel | what a plum |
| 11:22.59 | asg | norbert_: man head |
| 11:23.00 | norbert_ | I couldn't find anything about it in the man page... |
| 11:23.18 | norbert_ | asg: ah yes ;-) |
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| 11:23.37 | themill | norbert_: head -n8 |
| 11:23.41 | simonrvn | waves even |
| 11:23.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | I got four modules that all use eachother and thus can't rmmod them |
| 11:23.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | What do I do? |
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| 11:23.49 | liable | thats sane, going over max-clients segfaults apache... |
| 11:24.03 | norbert_ | the command line is so powerful, with sed perl and all other tools, I love it ;-) |
| 11:24.20 | themill | liable: not necessarily related |
| 11:24.29 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: they can't use "each other", not really possible to have circular kernel module dependencies |
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| 11:24.53 | themill | actually... how is an apache child segfaulting only a "notice" in apache's error reporting? |
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| 11:27.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: Well, maybe there's one way out of it, but I just did rmmod -r |
| 11:27.27 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: and it worked? |
| 11:27.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yes |
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| 11:27.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | But after re-modprobing it, I still lack sound |
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| 11:28.17 | Bambr | can anybody help me out with screen resolution problem in Gnome? |
| 11:28.42 | jelly-home | my rmmod manpage doesn't say anything about -r :-| |
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| 11:29.08 | norbert_ | Bambr: please describe your problem |
| 11:30.09 | Bambr | norbert_, i get maximum 800x600 resolution availabe in screen resolution selector, while videocard and monitor both support 1024x768 resolution too |
| 11:30.28 | Bambr | norbert_, so, i want higher resolution, but don't know how to get it |
| 11:31.27 | norbert_ | Bambr: you could try running: # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org |
| 11:31.54 | norbert_ | xserver-xorg |
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| 11:33.03 | trollala | what does this mean: I wanna to install iptables on a red hat and I get notice: Checking for new apt-get details: Password: and after entering |
| 11:33.06 | trollala | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:33.09 | trollala | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:33.55 | antgel | trollala: try #redhat |
| 11:34.00 | margiolas | sorry this channel is for debian |
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| 11:34.10 | Davidos | Any .usa citizen with a tv card? |
| 11:34.20 | antgel | Davidos: lots! |
| 11:34.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | I believe the top level domain is .us, Davidos |
| 11:34.30 | Davidos | u? :) |
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| 11:34.38 | antgel | !tell Davidos about u |
| 11:34.38 | themill | !U |
| 11:34.38 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 11:34.42 | antgel | no |
| 11:34.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | But ask your question |
| 11:34.52 | margiolas | the redhat's apt use rpm technology and has a different philosofy than the origianal apt |
| 11:35.04 | Davidos | Someone who has, PM me, got some offer\ |
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| 11:35.50 | petemc | what kind of offer? |
| 11:36.01 | antgel | Davidos: do you have a question about debian? |
| 11:37.08 | Davidos | No |
| 11:37.26 | antgel | Davidos: then wtf? |
| 11:37.28 | themill | Davidos: goodbye, then |
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| 11:38.02 | alex___ | Davidos, has big tits, blonde, tight ass? then im your guy! |
| 11:38.10 | alex___ | ................ |
| 11:38.35 | liable | all the above, but a penis as well |
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| 11:39.29 | liable | erm, to clarify, i wasnt talking about me :) |
| 11:39.34 | antgel | liable: there was a radio phone-in this morning about emigration from .uk, /many/ coming to .au |
| 11:39.58 | themill | antgel: that's because this summer has been so shit |
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| 11:40.03 | norbert_ | !wasnt |
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| 11:40.13 | antgel | themill: s/summer/last ten years |
| 11:40.20 | norbert_ | :%s/summer/last/ |
| 11:40.34 | themill | antgel: yeah, well. I can't comment on anything prior to last summer |
| 11:41.04 | antgel | themill: this country is fucking going way down the pan |
| 11:41.15 | norbert_ | *pom pom* ;-) me like command prompt, me go hack |
| 11:41.20 | liable | antgel: we always have quit a large number of english emigrations |
| 11:41.35 | Penix | can't wait for spring |
| 11:41.41 | graytron | antgel: which country, so i can avoid it? |
| 11:41.42 | themill | liable: since about 1788 |
| 11:41.59 | antgel | liable: yeah, but you watch. going through the roof. .au is in my top three destinations, i'm leaving the sinking, rotten ship fairly soon |
| 11:42.00 | liable | themill: yes, and they keep getting worse as time goes on |
| 11:42.32 | antgel | liable: all i need to know is, does .au have ethernet for me to connect my laptop? ;D |
| 11:42.47 | Penix | antgel: no. we don't know what germs are either |
| 11:42.50 | themill | antgel: no, we still use carrier pigeons, but they're really fast |
| 11:43.11 | antgel | yeah you lot are good at sport |
| 11:43.27 | themill | just how many Australians do we have on channel at the moment? |
| 11:43.39 | liable | 5 |
| 11:43.49 | dragonheart | +me |
| 11:43.54 | Penix | lots of idle ones |
| 11:44.03 | liable | dragonheart: i included you already |
| 11:44.06 | antgel | aussie aussie aussie! |
| 11:44.10 | themill | Penix: you mean Australians.... |
| 11:44.11 | xand | australian internet is apparently pricey due to limited connectivity to the rest of the world? |
| 11:44.12 | themill | oi oi oi |
| 11:44.33 | liable | xand: yes, cable bandwidth to the states is the cause |
| 11:44.39 | Penix | xand: well, we are on a big island |
| 11:44.46 | liable | xand: theres a new cable going in apparently |
| 11:45.01 | antgel | then you can retire the pigeons |
| 11:45.02 | dragonheart | its pricey due to a limited market that can exploit people quite well too ( yes thats you telstra ) |
| 11:45.05 | liable | thats the excuse they give for high prices anyway |
| 11:45.25 | themill | xand: it's certainly a lot more expensive that .uk. My mum has a 256k/256MB adsl in .au for the same price as my 8M/4G adsl in .uk |
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| 11:46.52 | liable | xand: for a general consensus on .au braodband amongst geeks/leechers.. http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-threads.cfm?f=100 |
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| 11:47.00 | xand | themill: you have 4Gbps upload? :O |
| 11:47.17 | xand | or is that the quota? |
| 11:47.28 | themill | xand: no, I'm just a lazy bastard and making up new ways of writing things... quota |
| 11:49.13 | slapfaceware | wtf debian, spamd[12061]: pyzor: check failed: internal error |
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| 11:50.59 | omind | can i install debian with just the first and the second cdroms? |
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| 11:51.30 | Shadur | omind: You can install debian with just the fifty-megabyte netinst CD. |
| 11:51.59 | omind | but idon't have internet connexion |
| 11:52.18 | liable | omind: then the first two should be enough, yes |
| 11:52.28 | liable | generally the first is enough for most |
| 11:52.44 | omind | even with gnome wm?? |
| 11:52.51 | liable | yes |
| 11:53.06 | omind | thanks liable |
| 11:53.10 | omind | i'll try |
| 11:53.38 | omind | i have debian sarge installed without Xorg |
| 11:53.43 | omind | just the shell |
| 11:53.58 | omind | how can i upgrade to etch without losing data ? |
| 11:54.24 | liable | interesting with just cd's |
| 11:54.41 | liable | apt-cdrom should be able to add the cd's, then follow the release notes |
| 11:54.45 | themill | !tell omind about sarge->etch |
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| 11:54.58 | antgel | !topicsmite omind |
| 11:54.58 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon omind. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 11:55.18 | Internat | stupid question. can you have an underscore in a domain name? |
| 11:55.35 | themill | omind: apt-cdrom should manage loading the CDs so it has the new package list then you should be fine. |
| 11:55.46 | antgel | Internat: no, read the relevant RFC |
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| 11:55.57 | Internat | i dont know what the relevant rfc is.. |
| 11:56.10 | omind | can i use apt-cdrom with just two cds ? |
| 11:56.16 | antgel | Internat: do you know what google is? |
| 11:56.18 | themill | omind: should be ok |
| 11:56.23 | freenot | using amd64-etch, i was after a basic install, to then put fluxbox on, should i have only optioned standard install and not desktop environment? |
| 11:56.24 | dragonheart | though there is _domain.x.x.x for dk /dkim so its probably a conviention more that a rule |
| 11:56.36 | Internat | umm.. no? -_- |
| 11:56.41 | omind | ok |
| 11:56.43 | omind | thanks |
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| 11:57.45 | antgel | who would have thought that typing domain name rfc into google would provide a clue |
| 11:58.17 | antgel | freenot: yep. desktop installs gnome and lots of stuff, maybe kde as well, i don't remember |
| 11:58.36 | themill | Internat: some registrars will have more strict rules about what you can register compared to what the actual system will cope with. For example, .au didn't allow dictionary words within .com.au for many years |
| 11:58.49 | freenot | antgel: ah k, reload then |
| 11:59.14 | antgel | freenot: or purge packages you don't want in aptitude |
| 11:59.32 | Internat | whislt i normally would aggree with that. to search for the rfc, and then to try and translate the rfc into something understandable to work out if you can or not have a _ in it is a long road to follow. I mean lets be honest, if you have the knowledge and its a simple yes/no answer i dont see why people make such a bit deal out of going to google things |
| 11:59.43 | freenot | k, so i can totally remove gnome from a runing debian? |
| 11:59.51 | Internat | butanwho, thank you for the answer |
| 11:59.52 | freenot | running* |
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| 12:00.22 | antgel | Internat: because you're not paying us? it's common courtesy. no problem |
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| 12:00.53 | antgel | freenot: you can remove whatever packages you want |
| 12:01.01 | freenot | antgel: k, thanks |
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| 12:01.18 | antgel | but if removing gnome, suggest you do it from the console (is your 'o' key working?) |
| 12:01.40 | tiny | Hi! I'm trying to debootstrap a stable debian on a CF card from on a gentoo box. I wonder why is /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch symlinked to -> sid . Sid is unstable right? |
| 12:01.44 | freenot | o => yes |
| 12:02.23 | antgel | tiny: don't worry about it, it knows what to do depending on the command line |
| 12:02.42 | tiny | antgel: oh cool :) |
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| 12:06.44 | Rowan | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:06.47 | MangosDebian | !ops Rowan |
| 12:06.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: mangosdebian complains about: Rowan |
| 12:06.49 | liable | yay |
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| 12:07.09 | MangosDebian | tomaw: trigger fingers ;) |
| 12:07.14 | tomaw | :) |
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| 12:07.17 | liable | heh |
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| 12:07.53 | liable | was supposed to be some sort of new exploit/dos thing? |
| 12:07.53 | themill | bloody hell... they're all out today |
| 12:08.14 | themill | no just generally pissing people off |
| 12:08.18 | MangosDebian | liable: not very creative if it was |
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| 12:13.37 | themill | that killed the conversation... |
| 12:14.05 | themill | Do we need some soothing background musak to fill these awkward gaps? |
| 12:14.20 | liable | i have it, dunno about you |
| 12:14.27 | dragonheart | can you sing? |
| 12:14.47 | themill | trollala: with that nick, perhaps you can sing for us.... |
| 12:14.48 | MangosDebian | most people forget their topic after their screen scrolls up a page it seems |
| 12:15.00 | MangosDebian | I'm LOST! |
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| 12:15.14 | liable | ADHD children |
| 12:16.09 | graytron | ayou are not liable |
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| 12:16.22 | MangosDebian | good hour or so long video on C++0x at http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/media/C++0x%20-%20An%20Overview.html if anyone else wants to join me |
| 12:16.42 | liable | about what? |
| 12:17.02 | liable | graytron: that didnt make much sense |
| 12:17.06 | antgel | dpkg: sing |
| 12:17.07 | dpkg | Everybody's got a water buffalo, yours is fast but mine is slow..... http://www.bpfh.net/stories/tcp-towers/water-buffalo.html |
| 12:18.21 | liable | !30809/60/60 |
| 12:18.21 | dpkg | 8.558055555556 |
| 12:19.00 | dragonheart | !3/0 |
| 12:19.02 | MangosDebian | !22/7 |
| 12:19.03 | dpkg | 3.142857142857 |
| 12:19.29 | MangosDebian | sure doesnt have much precision on that |
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| 12:19.52 | liable | i guess thats a perl float |
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| 12:21.41 | themill | MangosDebian: how much more do you want... it's a recurring decimal already :) |
| 12:22.13 | xand | it's not recurring |
| 12:22.18 | themill | yes it is |
| 12:22.25 | xand | pi is not, it's irrational |
| 12:22.27 | MangosDebian | themill: well, i would tell you that windows calc went to at least 30 decimals, but i dont wish to be flamed :) |
| 12:22.33 | themill | 22/7 != pi |
| 12:22.49 | xand | well I wasn't paying attention :P |
| 12:22.53 | themill | ;) |
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| 12:24.30 | harpal | when I try to mount cdrom drive than its giving me mount: you must specify the filesystem type and then it gives me ide: failed opcode was unknown |
| 12:24.35 | liable | curse on the aptitude devs for making two new aptitude- programs |
| 12:24.53 | themill | liable: tab completion-type curses? |
| 12:25.15 | liable | themill: yes, now i have to learn to hit space after completion |
| 12:25.25 | daaf | when i get these how do i resume printer to print? |
| 12:25.26 | daaf | http://localhost:631/admin |
| 12:25.30 | daaf | drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 3 if 0 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x04B8 pid 0x0005 |
| 12:25.31 | daaf | drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: out of paper |
| 12:25.31 | themill | xand: after all, everyone knows that in some places, pi=3... |
| 12:25.34 | antgel | after completion, i like a cigarette |
| 12:25.52 | antgel | daaf: put paper in |
| 12:25.54 | themill | daaf: put in some paper? |
| 12:25.58 | daaf | and then? |
| 12:26.04 | daaf | there is already paper |
| 12:26.06 | daaf | it should suck it in |
| 12:26.10 | liable | haha |
| 12:26.12 | antgel | daaf: restart the printer |
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| 12:26.28 | daaf | antgel, isn't there a command to do that? |
| 12:26.31 | themill | daaf: in the screen for that printer, click "restart" or "resume" |
| 12:26.44 | daaf | it's kinda annoying to plug out the cable every time |
| 12:26.55 | daaf | what's the screen for the printer? |
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| 12:26.56 | themill | daaf: you shouldn't need to |
| 12:27.07 | themill | daaf: from that cups admin page you pasted in |
| 12:27.11 | antgel | what's a printer? |
| 12:27.38 | liable | !qotd108 |
| 12:27.39 | dpkg | <drp> is there a command to allow me to see lan printers < greycat> drp: yes. "Joe! Show me that printer!" < greycat> substitute "Joe" with the name of your LAN adminsitrator < drp> lol |
| 12:27.41 | daaf | i tried stop and then start printer |
| 12:27.47 | daaf | it didn't change |
| 12:28.12 | antgel | daaf: where did you click that? in your desktop environment printer control panel? |
| 12:28.18 | themill | daaf: do you need to press a button on the front of the printer to wake it up? |
| 12:28.25 | daaf | antgel, in cupsys administration page |
| 12:28.36 | daaf | nope, no buttons on this printer |
| 12:28.43 | themill | antgel: the web interface to cups |
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| 12:29.04 | themill | daaf: is the job marked as being on hold now in the job queue? |
| 12:29.37 | daaf | it says processing since and some time is given |
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| 12:29.56 | antgel | daaf: try restarting job |
| 12:30.15 | daaf | you mean reprint? |
| 12:30.21 | daaf | Job #6 is not complete! |
| 12:30.32 | daaf | the hell with it |
| 12:31.45 | themill | daaf: no, "reprint" or "release job" in the jobs queue in the cups interface. |
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| 12:32.41 | daaf | it's not on hold |
| 12:32.45 | daaf | i tried that too |
| 12:33.08 | daaf | i think dis/connect the usb cable is necessary |
| 12:33.12 | daaf | now it resumed again |
| 12:33.18 | themill | it shouldn't be necessary |
| 12:33.26 | themill | what state does cups say the printer is in |
| 12:33.36 | daaf | do you know where to see printer preferences in gimp? |
| 12:33.52 | themill | printing in the gimp is a pita |
| 12:33.59 | daaf | pita? |
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| 12:34.11 | themill | !pita |
| 12:34.11 | dpkg | it has been said that pita is pain in the ass or whats usually for supper :) |
| 12:34.19 | antgel | mmm, food |
| 12:34.26 | daaf | what do you print with? |
| 12:34.27 | daaf | firefox? |
| 12:34.28 | daaf | :) |
| 12:34.36 | antgel | !tell daaf about enter |
| 12:34.46 | themill | bah... now *there's* a horrible print system |
| 12:35.24 | themill | daaf: do you have the package gimp-print installed? |
| 12:35.44 | daaf | themill, yes |
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| 12:36.47 | themill | daaf: then the printer settings are on the File->Print menu on the image you want to print. The settings and actual printing dialogue are combined |
| 12:37.13 | liable | can you orint a test page from cups? |
| 12:37.21 | daaf | yes |
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| 12:37.32 | daaf | can I somehow adjust the settings to waste the color ink and not the black? |
| 12:37.34 | liable | you just cant print from firefox? |
| 12:37.48 | daaf | i can |
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| 12:39.48 | liable | problem solved!?!? |
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| 12:40.34 | daaf | so there is no command to actually reboot the printer? |
| 12:40.43 | alex___ | daaf, power cord? |
| 12:40.55 | liable | restart cupsd |
| 12:41.07 | alex___ | daaf, switch off power at the fuze box |
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| 12:41.36 | daaf | restarting cups doesnt help |
| 12:42.02 | themill | daaf: what state does cups say the printer is in |
| 12:42.10 | daaf | uhm, it's possible to restart it with mtink |
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| 12:44.18 | daaf | anyway can it print without black color |
| 12:44.36 | daaf | i mean, would it mix it from the other colors |
| 12:44.40 | liable | no |
| 12:45.20 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: if apt clobbered your previous alsa drivers, then it would be worth trying to put them into a deb and ask us about apt-pinning later on. |
| 12:45.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok |
| 12:45.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | But the main priority now is getting it working again |
| 12:45.59 | themill | nod |
| 12:46.04 | daaf | tanks |
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| 12:47.20 | harpal | this is my error http://pastebin.ca/655505 from dmesg please tell me why I am not able to access dvd |
| 12:47.29 | dimir | Bambr: :-D |
| 12:47.36 | Bambr | :P |
| 12:47.41 | dimir | Old who?! |
| 12:47.53 | Bambr | ur old papa :P |
| 12:48.00 | dimir | Not yet. |
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| 12:48.26 | Bambr | okay, young :P |
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| 12:48.43 | dimir | Look who's talking! |
| 12:48.47 | dimir | :-P |
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| 12:52.28 | harpal | anyone tell me why I am getting errror http://pastebin.ca/655505 while accessing dvd |
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| 13:03.26 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 13:03.26 | dpkg | <js_> is it very unsafe to resize my / partition with parted while its mounted? |
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| 13:04.43 | NicNac | Can anyone tell me how to install e17 on etch? |
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| 13:05.25 | abrotman | !dr17 |
| 13:05.25 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/, or debs for dr17 under unstable are available at http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ |
| 13:05.36 | abrotman | or ask the enlightenment channel |
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| 13:08.14 | Bambr | hi, i got problem with ati rage ii c, xorg saying not enough memory for 1024x768 resolution. is there any solution/workaround to get 1024x768 working in this situation (replacing videocard isn't an option) |
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| 13:09.25 | abrotman | Bambr: if it's shared .. you migth need a kernel option |
| 13:09.32 | abrotman | Bambr: or try lowering the bit depth |
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| 13:10.31 | Bambr | thanks |
| 13:10.54 | abrotman | !tell nitiniu about away |
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| 13:12.45 | nitiniu | thanks abrotman :) |
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| 13:13.20 | _pr|sr_ | hmm, does anyone have experience with i2o raid controllers and Etch? |
| 13:13.29 | themill | !tell _pr|sr_ about anyone |
| 13:13.50 | _pr|sr_ | yea, nice |
| 13:14.08 | abrotman | are you having a problem with one? |
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| 13:14.37 | _pr|sr_ | kinda... seems it's loading the wrong module which hijacks the device |
| 13:15.08 | _pr|sr_ | i've tried stock etch kernel and a 2.6.22 snapshot, no dice though |
| 13:15.21 | EmuandCo | !seen meklort |
| 13:15.21 | dpkg | meklort <n=meklort@71-34-154-157.clsp.qwest.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 215d 7h 49m 20s ago, saying: 'Im trying to set it up so that its show on two monitros on teh same time (two different x servers)'. |
| 13:15.27 | abrotman | you can blacklist the module that is taking over .. or use module rules to load the one you want before the one you don't |
| 13:15.30 | abrotman | EmuandCo: /msg dpkg hi |
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| 13:23.13 | ChrisW | hey all, when you do ls -l, what's the number in the 2nd column, after the file permissions? |
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| 13:23.49 | Biff | hmm, do i need to do some magic to enable mod rewrite in apache2? |
| 13:23.59 | Biff | like a extra module or something? |
| 13:24.10 | ChrisW | on debian, usually comes setup |
| 13:24.14 | Biff | it worked with apache1, but when i changed to apache2 it seems to be not working |
| 13:24.21 | ChrisW | a2enmod mod_rewrite should do ya |
| 13:24.25 | sep | Biff, have you installed it? and enabeled it? |
| 13:24.45 | Biff | "This module does not exist!" |
| 13:24.49 | Biff | is it a separate package? |
| 13:24.57 | ChrisW | nah, not a seperate package |
| 13:25.03 | ChrisW | just asilly name probably |
| 13:25.22 | ChrisW | and a look in /etc/apache2/mods_available or some such |
| 13:25.32 | jelly-ho | just "rewrite" |
| 13:25.34 | abrotman | should already be enabled |
| 13:26.18 | abrotman | mfrisch: ask over here |
| 13:26.20 | Biff | hmm, i get nothing in modules |
| 13:26.33 | abrotman | mfrisch: that's not the kind of chatter for that channel |
| 13:26.40 | Biff | hmm |
| 13:26.41 | mfrisch | abrotman: sorry |
| 13:26.47 | mfrisch | abrotman: anywho |
| 13:26.48 | abrotman | mfrisch: anyways ... |
| 13:26.49 | Biff | maybe it is integrated in apache2 now |
| 13:27.02 | abrotman | mfrisch: does it install any packages at all ? |
| 13:27.04 | Biff | so the host-configuration which checks for mod_rewrite will not find it |
| 13:27.14 | mfrisch | abrotman: nope. 0 |
| 13:27.29 | mfrisch | abrotman: can I reset it or something |
| 13:28.00 | abrotman | reset what? |
| 13:28.04 | abrotman | the dpkg status ? |
| 13:28.11 | mfrisch | abrotman: the selections? |
| 13:28.19 | mfrisch | abrotman: or check them? |
| 13:28.26 | abrotman | what happens if you run dpkg --get-selections on the new box ? |
| 13:28.58 | abrotman | mfrisch: (and you can reset them with --clear-selections .. man dpkg says so anyways) |
| 13:29.40 | mfrisch | abrotman: looks to be what is on the box |
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| 13:30.36 | abrotman | mfrisch: there's no output from dpkg --set-selections ? |
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| 13:31.22 | ghatak | Hi, How can i get the first release of sarge ? |
| 13:31.27 | ghatak | as a cd image |
| 13:31.32 | alex___ | ghatak, debian.org |
| 13:31.33 | themill | Biff: mod_rewrite works quite nicely under apache2 but the syntax has changed a little. |
| 13:31.40 | alex___ | ghatak, you mean woody? |
| 13:31.43 | alex___ | 3.0? |
| 13:31.44 | alex___ | or 3.1 |
| 13:31.51 | ghatak | alex___: 3.1 |
| 13:31.56 | alex___ | debian.org |
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| 13:32.48 | abrotman | ghatak: 3.1r0 ? why? |
| 13:32.55 | mfrisch | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/34522 |
| 13:33.19 | Biff | themill: oh, really? |
| 13:33.32 | Biff | themill: my problem is with a CMS, drupal, which no longer works |
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| 13:33.53 | Biff | but i think thats the only page i host which uses mod_rewrite |
| 13:34.18 | themill | !tell ghatak about sarge |
| 13:34.37 | ghatak | abrotman: testing, trying to simulate if i do a mass upgrade on my servers then what would be result |
| 13:34.37 | themill | ghatak: but I don't don't think r0 is around |
| 13:34.42 | ghatak | would it cope etc |
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| 13:35.08 | themill | ghatak: but your servers would be at r4 or r5, wouldn't they? |
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| 13:35.43 | ghatak | themill: cat /etc/debian_version says 3.1 dont know which 'r' though, can i find that out ? |
| 13:36.09 | Biff | hmm |
| 13:36.11 | themill | ghatak: are you up to date with security updates? |
| 13:36.20 | Biff | there should be a module file, but it is missing from my install |
| 13:36.32 | themill | Biff: have you checked that mod_rewrite is in mods-enabled? and restarted apache since you enabled it. |
| 13:36.33 | ghatak | themill: for sarge? Yes, but planning to move over to etch son |
| 13:36.39 | ghatak | *soon* |
| 13:36.46 | mfrisch | abrotman: did you look? |
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| 13:37.57 | themill | ghatak: ok.. the different r1,2,3 etc are just roll-ups of what was deployed through security plus a couple of other major bugfixes. If you are up to date with sarge and sarge/updates then you are already runnign something a little beyond r5 |
| 13:38.02 | abrotman | ghatak: but your servers are 3.1r6 |
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| 13:38.24 | abrotman | mfrisch: wtf .. you're doing the clone on the same system ? |
| 13:38.24 | themill | ghatak: (or whatever the currentl sarge point release is) |
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| 13:38.35 | abrotman | mfrisch: what did you think was going to happen ? |
| 13:38.40 | Biff | themill: yeah, found the problem, the rewrite file was missing from my installation, and as always, apt-get install --reinstall does not install the missing files |
| 13:38.43 | shpond | investigating |
| 13:38.46 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 13:38.46 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 13:38.48 | Biff | i wonder if --reinstall really does anything |
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| 13:39.13 | antgel | abrotman: you're back! |
| 13:39.18 | abrotman | antgel: yes |
| 13:39.27 | mfrisch | abrotman: it is a file and a new box |
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| 13:39.32 | abrotman | antgel: sorry .. went to visit pop :) ... |
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| 13:39.44 | themill | Biff: the mods-available/rewrite files or usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_rewrite.so? |
| 13:39.49 | abrotman | mfrisch: yes .. but you're using --get-selections on the laptop .. and then --set-selections on the same box |
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| 13:40.12 | abrotman | mfrisch: what did you think was giong to happen ? |
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| 13:40.23 | Biff | themill: the former was missing |
| 13:40.27 | antgel | abrotman: yachting? |
| 13:40.28 | abrotman | ghatak: the sarge CD images for r6 are available |
| 13:40.29 | Biff | i manually installed it now tho |
| 13:40.31 | mfrisch | abrotman: it is early...I though it would work ?!?!? |
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| 13:40.37 | abrotman | antgel: two lovely days of sailing :) |
| 13:40.49 | themill | Biff: did you delete them? |
| 13:40.51 | Biff | themill: and now it works |
| 13:40.53 | antgel | nice |
| 13:40.58 | x3on | how can i 'lock' a folder so it is only accesible by a password or something similar to that? |
| 13:40.59 | Biff | themill: i dunno, i never used apache2 on this server |
| 13:41.08 | themill | Biff: glad you're up and running :) |
| 13:41.08 | abrotman | mfrisch: uhm .. you use the '--get-selections' on the box you're trying to clone from .. and --set-selections on the box you're trying to get to match the original |
| 13:41.11 | Biff | but it has been installed for ages (3-4 years) |
| 13:41.17 | Biff | themill: yeah, thanks for the help |
| 13:41.24 | abrotman | antgel: it was pretty nice .. decent wind .. lots of sun |
| 13:41.29 | themill | Biff: np |
| 13:41.52 | dkg | Are there any better graphical FTP clients for Linux than gFTP? |
| 13:42.03 | abrotman | filezilla is okay |
| 13:42.13 | enouf | ChrisW: not sure if anyone's answered you, but those are hardlinks -- e.g. do ls -i /bin/uncompress then find /bin -inum 818170 (replace with correct inode number) |
| 13:42.20 | ghatak | themill, abrotman thanks, I will test tonight to see if it works. I am trying to test if dist-upgrade will break my servers or not. Hopefully it will be fine. fingers x |
| 13:42.21 | dkg | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 13:42.40 | mfrisch | abrotman: do a --clear-selections ? |
| 13:42.43 | abrotman | ghatak: make sure you read the release notse |
| 13:42.44 | abrotman | notes |
| 13:42.50 | themill | ghatak: make sure you read the release notes |
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| 13:42.53 | ghatak | abrotman: sure will, |
| 13:42.54 | abrotman | mfrisch: uhm .. why? you're not going to change anything |
| 13:42.54 | themill | abrotman: snap! |
| 13:43.02 | abrotman | !beer themill |
| 13:43.16 | themill | hmmmm yummu |
| 13:43.44 | abrotman | mfrisch: okay .. first .. on the box you're trying to replicate .. use the --get-selections .. then on the box you're giong to, uuse the --set-selections |
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| 13:44.16 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone know a fast VTK viewer? |
| 13:44.33 | mfrisch | abrotman: I am still no installs |
| 13:44.34 | abrotman | vtk ? |
| 13:44.36 | enouf | !selections |
| 13:44.36 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 13:44.39 | abrotman | mfrisch: NO KIDDING |
| 13:44.45 | abrotman | mfrisch: you're ignoring what i'm saying |
| 13:44.55 | Knight_Lord | abrotman yes vtk |
| 13:45.03 | abrotman | Knight_Lord: as in .. wtf is vtk ? |
| 13:45.14 | abrotman | or .. apt-cache search vtk :) |
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| 13:45.32 | antgel | i did the aptitude clone today, it worked very nicely. i'm now 64-bitted up! |
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| 13:45.43 | Knight_Lord | abrotman libvtk5 - Visualization Toolkit - A high level 3D visualization library |
| 13:45.57 | mfrisch | abrotman: dpkg --set-selections < /media/disk/backup/selectionfile.desktop && apt-get dselect-upgrade ?? |
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| 13:46.25 | abrotman | mfrisch: on which box? |
| 13:46.34 | mfrisch | abrotman: the new one. |
| 13:46.35 | abrotman | mfrisch: you do have two boxes .. right ? |
| 13:46.47 | mfrisch | abrotman: no one box and a old file |
| 13:46.48 | abrotman | mfrisch: did you get the /media/disk/backup/selectionfile.desktop from the old one ? |
| 13:46.56 | abrotman | but now you've overwritten it 10 times |
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| 13:47.40 | mfrisch | abrotman: the file is the same |
| 13:48.08 | abrotman | paste the contents of the file somewhere |
| 13:48.38 | themill | Knight_Lord: there were some discussions about vtk on the debian-science mailing list a while ago (12 months ago, probably). Perhaps look at the debian science wiki or back through the ml archives. |
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| 13:48.56 | Bambr | hi again :) now got the problem with rdesktop, it connects nicely to Windows terminal server, shows login screen, but once i enter login and password - it segfaults, any clues how to get it working normally? |
| 13:49.05 | Knight_Lord | themill thanks |
| 13:49.24 | mfrisch | abrotman: damn it I get it is borked. let me try another |
| 13:49.45 | antgel | Bambr: what debian release? did you check the bts? what does strace report? did you build a debug version and reproduce the crash with gdb? |
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| 13:50.11 | mfrisch | abrotman: got it! thanks for uhm holding my hand |
| 13:50.43 | Bambr | antgel, got 4.0, what is bts? |
| 13:50.48 | abrotman | !bts |
| 13:50.48 | dpkg | [bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 13:51.09 | Bambr | okay |
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| 13:52.27 | Bambr | antgel, strace reports killed by SIGSEGV |
| 13:53.13 | antgel | Bambr: great, i could have told you that. perhaps stick it in a pastebin? |
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| 13:53.49 | Bambr | antgel, kk, in a moment |
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| 13:57.36 | Bambr | hmm |
| 13:57.41 | yang | I wonder what are |
| 13:57.52 | liable | cows! |
| 13:57.54 | yang | I wonder what are crypto-modules now called in lenny? |
| 13:58.14 | yang | i got cryptsetup package but not crypto-modules |
| 13:58.19 | Bambr | antgel, seems like if intentionally fail login, after that i'm able to log in okay, but if i enter valid username/password first time - it crashes |
| 13:58.27 | themill | liable: aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 13:58.30 | Bambr | antgel, u still need strace? |
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| 13:58.49 | antgel | !tell Bambr -about u |
| 13:58.55 | abrotman | yang: apt-cache search |
| 13:59.00 | liable | themill: hehe, i didnt know that was ther. |
| 13:59.02 | yang | abrotman: i used search |
| 13:59.03 | liable | :) |
| 13:59.10 | antgel | Bambr: no, but you might want to sumbit the bug in the bts? |
| 13:59.17 | yang | abrotman: the package crypto-modules is not there anymore |
| 13:59.22 | Bambr | antgel, sure |
| 13:59.25 | abrotman | yang: update |
| 13:59.33 | Bambr | i need to install that stuff, right? |
| 13:59.34 | themill | liable: I have ~/bin/moo that I use to test my sound. Keeps the office mates amused when my computer starts mooing... |
| 13:59.40 | liable | i might have to use that as a ring tone |
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| 14:00.02 | loesh | hmm, i have 3 boxes in my home network a b and c. a acts as a router using iptables and NAT. c is my workstation and b is a server. when i nfs mount stuff from b to c, c authenticates as a that is as my router. any idea as to why? |
| 14:00.38 | themill | loesh: you've got NAT in the wrong place |
| 14:00.55 | themill | loesh: but don't ask me for the finer details of that ;) |
| 14:01.02 | loesh | themill, hehe ok ... |
| 14:01.11 | loesh | afaik i only have NAT on my router... |
| 14:01.19 | loesh | wich ought to be the right place? |
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| 14:02.41 | themill | loesh: it sounds (at first stab) to be NATing between c and b not just on the connection to the rest of the world |
| 14:03.42 | loesh | yea i am trying to investigate how that could be, but sure sounds like it... |
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| 14:04.33 | loesh | the routes seem to be fine (checked with treaceroute) |
| 14:04.47 | yang | abrotman: apt-cache search crypto modules gives me : libcrypt-hcesha-perl, libengine-pkcs11-openssl, openswan, strongswan |
| 14:05.15 | themill | loesh: the route would be fine either way b -> a -> c, it's just that a is doing an addr translation on you, it seems |
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| 14:05.29 | abrotman | and just crypto ? |
| 14:05.33 | h3sp4wn | loesh: are b and c on different subnets ? |
| 14:05.45 | loesh | h3sp4wn, no they are on the same subnet.. |
| 14:05.56 | loesh | themill, thats true ofc |
| 14:06.04 | themill | loesh: but considering that I completely bolloxed by routing tables several times the other day playing with openvpn, I'm not the one to solve this problem for you... |
| 14:06.14 | themill | loesh: same subnet but on different interfaces? |
| 14:06.45 | loesh | themill, diffrent interfaces meaning? they are completley diffrent boxxes.. hanging on the same switch... |
| 14:06.52 | yang | crypto package no hit |
| 14:06.57 | loesh | i should really learn networking some day :/ |
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| 14:08.02 | liable | http://www.techdo.com/googles-first-server-picture-taken-at-the-computer-history-museum/ |
| 14:08.06 | liable | ot but interesting |
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| 14:09.03 | yang | abrotman: maybe i need "lvm2"? |
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| 14:10.40 | themill | loesh: hmmm.. same switch.... I thought it sounded like b and c were hanging off separate network cards on a (network card == interface) |
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| 14:12.04 | loesh | themill, oh, i meant that they are 3 completly diffrent machines.. b and c has one interface each connected to the same switch, a has 2 interfaces one connected to the same switch and one to "the world". |
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| 14:13.35 | loesh | i kind of find it intresting... since box a should not even get the packages sent between b and c so its NAT should not interfere ... |
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| 14:15.45 | themill | loesh: so are the packets in the trace going via a at all? |
| 14:16.42 | loesh | themill, no they are not... |
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| 14:17.15 | loesh | oh wait they are O_o |
| 14:17.22 | loesh | but only from one end... |
| 14:17.37 | themill | loesh: hmmm.... there's something to investigate |
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| 14:17.50 | loesh | yea.. |
| 14:17.54 | loesh | i wonder how that is.. |
| 14:17.59 | abrotman | magic! |
| 14:18.04 | loesh | hehe probably! |
| 14:18.15 | abrotman | through the magic of the intarweb |
| 14:18.17 | loesh | i think its my evil mac router that is stealing packages! |
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| 14:18.49 | themill | spukhafte Fernwirkung |
| 14:19.18 | themill | (spooky actions at a distance, for those who neither speak german not studied physics) |
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| 14:20.12 | xored | wher do i get OpenXchange free edition ? |
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| 14:20.26 | abrotman | ask them ? |
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| 14:20.48 | xored | abrotman: iam on there page but maybe iam blind. |
| 14:21.05 | xored | iam just following a ox on debian etch howto but cant find the ox dl link |
| 14:21.27 | giupy | hi all, i have installed a second scsi hd and than a third one, now ,somtimes, i recive this problem (scsi0:A:0:0): Device is disconnected, re-queuing SCB, i think it is the third scsi hd, but what kind of problem is it? |
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| 14:21.53 | AKX | How can I find out if my Linux system is using/seeing both of my processor's cores? |
| 14:22.14 | themill | AKX: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 14:22.28 | AKX | What about it? |
| 14:22.37 | AKX | What should I look for :D |
| 14:22.43 | themill | 2 cpus |
| 14:22.50 | AKX | Well... no. |
| 14:22.56 | AKX | There's only one, then. |
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| 14:23.15 | AKX | It's an AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-52, if that helps. |
| 14:23.27 | themill | perhaps pastebin that along with uname -r and see if someone can provide advice |
| 14:24.03 | AKX | Nah, it's not critical... |
| 14:24.16 | arcil_ | hey i tried the fglrx one-liner from the dpkg bot to install the ati drivers, but the installation aborts with an error: FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted what can i do to fix this? |
| 14:24.32 | themill | are you running that as root? |
| 14:24.32 | h3sp4wn | AKX: are you running the amd64 port ? install the k7 kernel on i386 |
| 14:24.36 | abrotman | AKX: which kernel ? |
| 14:24.38 | arcil_ | TheMagician: yes |
| 14:24.56 | AKX | This is just a live-CD, not actually Debian, but this was the most linux channel I had open atm =) |
| 14:25.12 | AKX | Backtrack 2, actually. |
| 14:25.13 | abrotman | oh |
| 14:25.17 | abrotman | then we can't help |
| 14:25.27 | AKX | Heh, yeah. I just wanted to know if it was using two cores, 'sall. |
| 14:25.32 | liable | hrm, that looks like the kind of error you get when module loading isnt enabled in kernel |
| 14:25.45 | AKX | uname -r, btw, says, "2.6.20-BT-PwnSauce-NOSMP". :P |
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| 14:27.41 | themill | arcil_: do you have the radeon module loaded at present? |
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| 14:28.25 | abrotman | AKX: and that's why .. NOSMP |
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| 14:28.37 | AKX | Yeah. But it's PwnSauce. :P |
| 14:29.27 | kramed | what is the apt-get command to reinstall config files if they have been overwritten or deleted? |
| 14:29.40 | themill | !tell kramed about confmiss |
| 14:29.47 | kramed | thanks |
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| 14:34.56 | kramed | jeez. doesnt fix my problem. the slapd deb script is failing and it doesnt tell me why |
| 14:35.28 | kramed | is there a way to get detailed information about why a deb wont install, dpkg log doesnt say anything and all I get is error code 1 |
| 14:36.10 | liable | set -x in the script |
| 14:36.20 | liable | or run it with bash -x |
| 14:36.41 | themill | kramed: etch? what are you trying to do? |
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| 14:37.10 | kramed | sid, just trying to install slapd but it fails I think when trying to add lines to the slapd.conf |
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| 14:38.40 | giupy | i had problem with the hd of my / partition, now it's still mounted in ro mode, how can i remount it in rw ? |
| 14:39.03 | cahoot | mount -o remount,rw? |
| 14:39.08 | giupy | cahoot: try |
| 14:39.26 | giupy | mount: /dev/sda2: can't read superblock |
| 14:39.31 | giupy | that probem now |
| 14:39.34 | giupy | problem |
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| 14:39.58 | jvgomez | hi |
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| 14:42.25 | alex___ | giupy, maybe damaged drive? |
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| 14:42.45 | giupy | alex___: it can be, but how can i be sure? |
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| 14:43.11 | themill | kramed: are you running with sh == bash? or some other shell? |
| 14:44.00 | kramed | its bash. I found the error. its a problem with the slapadd program, its giving a really weird error |
| 14:44.54 | themill | kramed: similar to this bug? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343657 |
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| 14:46.02 | kramed | no but similar |
| 14:46.53 | themill | sounds like a fairly flaky postinst that fails a little too often for comfort |
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| 14:47.19 | kramed | Ill use the source if its this much hassle. thanks for the help |
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| 14:48.00 | themill | kramed: you can unpack the deb or even just inspect it to see what the postinst is trying to do and fix it up |
| 14:48.24 | kramed | the program inside the package is what is causing the problem, just to execute it drops an error |
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| 14:48.46 | py_ | hello |
| 14:48.46 | kramed | I dont even get as far as that bug report |
| 14:49.07 | themill | kramed: so postinst calls slapadd and slapadd complains? |
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| 14:49.23 | kramed | slapadd: symbol lookup error: slapadd: undefined symbol: ldap_pvt_sasl_mutex_new |
| 14:49.51 | themill | eek |
| 14:49.57 | themill | do you have libsasl2-modules installed? |
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| 14:50.20 | kramed | yeah but I will try that conf miss stuff on it just in case |
| 14:50.36 | black12313 | hay can any of you get google talk working under pidgin in gaim ? |
| 14:50.37 | py_ | Is there a 2.6.23-rcSomething available somewhere already packaged for debian? |
| 14:50.41 | black12313 | soz not pidgin |
| 14:50.43 | black12313 | gaim... |
| 14:51.23 | themill | kramed: there are recently uploaded versions of both cyrus-sasl so perhaps there is some migration to still occur. |
| 14:51.51 | black12313 | anyone ? |
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| 14:52.33 | kramed | sorry I build my own |
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| 14:53.12 | liable | py_: unlikely |
| 14:53.20 | zero_ | hi, i want a soft to developer in php isl ike dreanwave. somebody think about? |
| 14:53.22 | liable | py_: very unlikely |
| 14:53.29 | black12313 | well anyone ? |
| 14:53.32 | snowbird | howdy liable |
| 14:53.36 | antgel | zophy: this is #debian |
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| 14:54.18 | themill | !tell black12313 about patience |
| 14:54.18 | antgel | !tell black12313 about anyone |
| 14:54.18 | black12313 | well sorry |
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| 14:54.18 | kramed | zero_, kompozer is the closest you will get |
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| 14:54.18 | black12313 | !tell black12313 about anyone |
| 14:54.18 | snowbird | they mill tell folks if u help me u need patience |
| 14:54.19 | zero_ | ok..i experiment |
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| 14:54.44 | black12313 | ok fine |
| 14:54.56 | black12313 | can someone help me configure gaim to work with gtalk ? |
| 14:55.15 | antgel | !tell black12313 about smart questions |
| 14:55.15 | kramed | dont pidgin have forums? |
| 14:55.30 | py_ | liable: ok... so I guess I'll have to do it myself... Any information about how to prepare a .deb, configured as closely as possible than 2.6.22's stock package? |
| 14:55.35 | sneex | greetings .. anyone know of a bug or issue with using auth_digest? I'm using Debian 4 on AMD64 -- the auth_digest states it loaded but apparently isn't working |
| 14:55.38 | black12313 | ANTGEL IT IS FINE |
| 14:56.03 | liable | py_: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 14:56.04 | zero_ | kramed, i want a software is like dreanwave, do u think about? |
| 14:56.05 | rudenstam | I got a debian 4.0 which is acting weirdly... There's no load on the box (load average: 0.01, 0.05, 0.01) and there's no network traffic going on yet the box is sluggish, and not a little.... The problem goes away for some time if I reboot the box, but it then gets back again... Anyone got any ideas ? |
| 14:56.06 | h3sp4wn | py_: You can look in the debian kernel trunk repository (sometimes they have snapshots) |
| 14:56.20 | antgel | !tell black12313 about caps |
| 14:56.20 | black12313 | i have done a google on it, i have done various configuration settings but no avail |
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| 14:56.26 | black12313 | i know about caps |
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| 14:56.51 | black12313 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.59 | abrotman | black12313: stop |
| 14:56.59 | Noborusan | bed time,bye guys. |
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| 14:57.16 | py_ | h3sp4wn: where is it located? |
| 14:57.17 | antgel | black12313: please don't be abusive. unless you know me :) |
| 14:57.21 | h3sp4wn | py_: linux-headers-2.6.18-5-vserver_2.6.18.dfsg.1-14~snapshot.9168_powerpc.deb19-Jul-2007 03:52 3.3M |
| 14:57.24 | h3sp4wn | [ ]linux-headers-2.6.18-5-vserver_2.6.18.dfsg.1-14~snapshot.9168_s390.deb19-Jul-2007 01:22 2.8M |
| 14:57.28 | abrotman | black12313: and yes it works fine .. i use it every day .. the instructions on their website show how |
| 14:57.28 | Noborusan | btw, i wonder if we have women in this channel ? cuz i personally guess men use linux more than women ? |
| 14:57.30 | black12313 | antgel your annoying me |
| 14:57.36 | h3sp4wn | sorry - http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel |
| 14:57.37 | antgel | black12313: why? |
| 14:57.38 | abrotman | black12313: use /ignore |
| 14:57.50 | h3sp4wn | py_: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel |
| 14:57.52 | antgel | or that |
| 14:57.53 | black12313 | abrotman i have tried those settings |
| 14:58.04 | abrotman | black12313: then ask #pidgin .. |
| 14:58.05 | black12313 | they fail on me, what version of gaim are you on ? |
| 14:58.20 | black12313 | it's gaim not pidgin i need help me - yes they are the same but pidgin ... |
| 14:58.21 | abrotman | i used gtalk with gaim in sarge/etch and now with pidgin in lenny |
| 14:58.43 | abrotman | and the instructions at the google page showed exactly how to do it |
| 14:58.49 | black12313 | i tried they fail |
| 14:58.52 | black12313 | for me |
| 14:58.57 | abrotman | then you've done something wrong |
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| 14:59.22 | black12313 | don't think so |
| 14:59.22 | kramed | http://www.google.com/support/talk/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=24073 |
| 14:59.24 | abrotman | yes .. you have |
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| 15:00.04 | black12313 | ah omg ? |
| 15:00.09 | black12313 | i think it is working now ? |
| 15:00.13 | abrotman | right |
| 15:00.21 | black12313 | let me test |
| 15:00.28 | abrotman | apparenently all the cursing at antgel helped |
| 15:00.46 | black12313 | i nkow |
| 15:00.49 | black12313 | THANKS ANTGEL |
| 15:00.58 | black12313 | - caps my ass |
| 15:01.01 | antgel | np |
| 15:01.07 | antgel | black12313: you show potential |
| 15:01.18 | antgel | i think all the bot-fu helped |
| 15:01.46 | kramed | black12313, do you use ubuntu |
| 15:01.49 | black12313 | no |
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| 15:01.55 | black12313 | what a question kramed |
| 15:01.57 | py_ | h3sp4wn: thanks a lot |
| 15:02.03 | kramed | hahah |
| 15:02.07 | black12313 | from a silly person - if i was on ubuntu would i be using gaim ? |
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| 15:02.18 | black12313 | stop and think about it |
| 15:02.23 | wohnout | Is there posibility to safely revert from unstable to stable version? |
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| 15:02.34 | black12313 | wohnout format |
| 15:02.39 | antgel | wohnout: not unless you're gifted |
| 15:02.39 | black12313 | or update your install ? |
| 15:02.40 | kramed | yes you probably would use gaim on ubuntu |
| 15:02.45 | themill | !tell wohnout about downgrade |
| 15:02.50 | black12313 | krammed no it has ... oh your right |
| 15:02.54 | black12313 | i remember now |
| 15:03.08 | abrotman | kramed: it wouldn't be gaim any more |
| 15:03.11 | black12313 | yeah i'm not on it atm + when i used it briefly i added it |
| 15:03.13 | sparr | can anyone recommend an ftp client for linux that can monitor files i am editing for changes to reupload them, and that can limit itself to 2 connections to the server? |
| 15:03.13 | kramed | pidgin |
| 15:03.32 | wohnout | antgel, themill, black12313: thanks |
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| 15:03.59 | jakub_ | hi |
| 15:04.00 | jakub_ | please |
| 15:04.14 | black12313 | !tell black12313about downgrade |
| 15:04.14 | jakub_ | i copyed ? some files to 120 gb disc in usb |
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| 15:04.21 | jakub_ | but on disc isn`t anything |
| 15:04.24 | jakub_ | but i have 100% full / |
| 15:04.25 | jakub_ | :( |
| 15:04.26 | Shinkai | DCC CHAT C:\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ |
| 15:04.31 | Shinkai | Ha! |
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| 15:04.38 | jakub_ | where are datas which were stored to copy to the disc |
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| 15:04.40 | jakub_ | please help me |
| 15:04.40 | liable | asshole |
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| 15:04.43 | antgel | *sigh* |
| 15:04.44 | rudenstam | idiot.. |
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| 15:05.03 | black12313 | i don't get it ? |
| 15:05.05 | jakub_ | pls help me |
| 15:05.05 | black12313 | dcc doesn't work on me |
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| 15:05.17 | liable | when are they going to fix there routers firmware? |
| 15:05.18 | antgel | !tell gnuyoga about root |
| 15:05.19 | rudenstam | black12313: 6.03 bug (iirc) |
| 15:05.27 | Roots | hi,what shall I do when install debian expose "ACPI: Assume root bridge[\_SB_.PCI0] bus is 0" |
| 15:05.30 | rudenstam | or routuer bug.. didn't know that |
| 15:05.41 | black12313 | yeah but it didn't work on me did it or you guys ? |
| 15:05.54 | Ronin | black12313: we're not running the affected routers |
| 15:06.00 | antgel | black12313: yeah, i'm not on the channel any more |
| 15:06.04 | black12313 | oh i see |
| 15:06.10 | black12313 | you need a specific router do you ? |
| 15:06.12 | black12313 | nice |
| 15:06.13 | xand | yes |
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| 15:06.26 | black12313 | what would that be a dlink, cisco or a linksys ? |
| 15:06.32 | antgel | does it knob up the router totally? |
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| 15:06.49 | xand | makes it kill the irc connection iirc |
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| 15:07.13 | black12313 | which modem / router ? |
| 15:07.18 | liable | dunno if it cycles it or what, but they come back in a minute or so |
| 15:07.23 | liable | linksys |
| 15:07.28 | black12313 | lol classic |
| 15:07.41 | black12313 | only cisco based / cisco sourced stuff would do that |
| 15:07.58 | antgel | yeah no other software has bugs in it |
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| 15:08.13 | black12313 | no |
| 15:08.14 | Ronin | heh antgel |
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| 15:08.32 | black12313 | cisco / linksys are just very good at being insecure, buggy etc. |
| 15:08.38 | liable | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DCC_SEND_exploit |
| 15:08.39 | black12313 | in comparison to other routers |
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| 15:08.57 | mith | black12313: don't say that as "cisco / linksys" |
| 15:09.06 | black12313 | omg netgear |
| 15:09.08 | mith | black12313: because that is far from true for the rest of cisco's gear. |
| 15:09.26 | h3sp4wn | Its a vxworks bug |
| 15:09.27 | mith | just the linksys branded crap, and they're not security issues just stability |
| 15:09.36 | black12313 | i see |
| 15:09.47 | mith | and ya only on the vxworks based ones, the linux based ones work fine |
| 15:10.08 | black12313 | nar doesn't anyone remember the cisco vulnerabilitys of recent that affected nearly all of their products ? |
| 15:10.31 | black12313 | i'm off to try the dcc on the ubuntu channel |
| 15:10.32 | mith | black12313: yes one security issue makes "all of their products insecure and buggy" |
| 15:10.40 | black12313 | no mith |
| 15:10.41 | mith | black12313: by that logic linux is the most insecure os ever |
| 15:10.42 | black12313 | it was a big thing |
| 15:10.48 | mith | yes it was, but it was one thing |
| 15:10.49 | black12313 | no mith |
| 15:11.03 | black12313 | it was several and it has happened over many years |
| 15:11.09 | black12313 | VOMIT anyone ? |
| 15:11.20 | black12313 | (of recent) |
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| 15:11.30 | mith | black12313: the linux kernel has had more major exploits per year than cisco has over the lifetime of their products. |
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| 15:11.42 | xand | black12313: don't do that unless you want a k-line ;) |
| 15:11.44 | mith | black12313: stop being a blind OS zealot |
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| 15:11.55 | black12313 | ah no |
| 15:12.09 | black12313 | mith the point is that for a router it is not as good as the other ones |
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| 15:12.24 | mith | black12313: what other ones? EVERYONE uses cisco. |
| 15:12.30 | black12313 | the linux kernel is a different beast all together |
| 15:12.35 | black12313 | no mith no everyone uses cisco |
| 15:12.38 | black12313 | not * |
| 15:12.39 | mith | black12313: until you get up to the point of passing enough traffic where juniper makes sense |
| 15:12.50 | aaron_ | Hi. I'm using debian 4.0. Is there something I need to do to get iceweasal to install google firefox addons? |
| 15:13.17 | xand | all the firefox addons i've tried work on iceweasel, dont know about google ones |
| 15:13.29 | pr|sr | so, whats going on when apt starts complaining about a missing newline for package libisccc0 when i try to install openssh-server |
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| 15:13.51 | mith | black12313: what are they using instead of cisco exactly? |
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| 15:14.02 | black12313 | so mith - it's different one is for a desktop -with a lot more functions one is a router |
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| 15:15.11 | davis | hello |
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| 15:15.37 | aaron_ | xand: it says i need firefox 1.5 or later. |
| 15:15.39 | aaron_ | :( |
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| 15:16.59 | davis | I installed mysql-server and I am having problems connecting to the database. I want to reinstall and go thru the prompts again. I tried to do dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server but it did not work. I also tried to apt-get remove --purge mysql-server and it did not work. When i say did not work, I mean it did not reinstall and display the forms where you enter info, like it did the first time. |
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| 15:17.30 | mith | black12313: what are they using instead of cisco exactly? |
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| 15:19.47 | antgel | davis: it's a meta-package. you want mysql-server-5.0 |
| 15:19.56 | davis | antgel thanks |
| 15:21.08 | davis | antgel: hmm. That displayed the password prompt again thanks. |
| 15:21.21 | yang | hez MangosDebian are you around? |
| 15:21.25 | aaron_ | arg. guess i'll use kubuntu. :( |
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| 15:22.18 | MangosDebian | yang: yes? |
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| 15:22.27 | trubld | http://digg.com/security/CLPWN_Breaking_News_Hackers_Compromise_CNN_com |
| 15:22.34 | Haris | !netinst |
| 15:22.35 | dpkg | i guess netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 15:22.53 | yang | MangosDebian: could you help me with this rescue cryto stuff a bit, i am lost on some point, i got 60% done right |
| 15:23.01 | Haris | How do I run netinst if I started debian 4 install from cdrom? |
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| 15:23.45 | MangosDebian | yang: what are you stuck on? what have you done? |
| 15:23.47 | yang | MangosDebian: maybe for the start you could join ##crypto ? |
| 15:23.58 | abrotman | mith: HP? 3com? intel? generic brand |
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| 15:24.19 | themill | aaron_ try http://dl.google.com/firefox/google-browsersync.xpi |
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| 15:24.26 | wingot_ | Hey |
| 15:24.30 | wingot_ | I've got an issue with php + apache |
| 15:24.47 | wingot_ | When I try to open a php page in apache, it tries to download the file, rather than process it and display the output |
| 15:24.58 | wingot_ | Anyone had a similar problem (and a resolution)? |
| 15:25.15 | Haris | wingot: Your php config in apache is missing |
| 15:25.31 | Haris | wingot: see the install.txt that comes with php |
| 15:25.34 | themill | wingot_: a2enmod php5 |
| 15:25.36 | wingot_ | Haris: It's got the addhandler |
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| 15:25.44 | wingot_ | Ok, will look |
| 15:25.52 | Haris | What does a2enmod? |
| 15:25.53 | Haris | do |
| 15:26.11 | wingot_ | themill: What package is a2enmod in :) |
| 15:26.11 | themill | man a2enmod |
| 15:26.34 | themill | apache2.2-common |
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| 15:28.16 | liable | !php wants me to download still |
| 15:28.16 | dpkg | if you've read all of /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and followed its instructions *and* have reloaded apache, clear your browser cache, and restart your browser. |
| 15:28.19 | liable | wingot_: ^^ |
| 15:28.47 | wingot_ | liable: Heh, thanks |
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| 15:29.24 | cr3 | in a shell script, is there a way to convert a relative path to an absolute path? |
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| 15:30.23 | Haris | !a2enmod |
| 15:30.23 | dpkg | a2enmod enables or disables an apache2 module |
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| 15:30.28 | Haris | aha! |
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| 15:30.46 | Haris | mods don't get enabled untill we run debian's tool? |
| 15:31.04 | hjb | Hi. I'm having trouble with my parallel port. I'm on debian lenny |
| 15:31.04 | jelly-home | only some are enabled by default |
| 15:31.10 | themill | Haris: no... you don't want *every* module loaded by default. that would suck |
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| 15:31.23 | hjb | the /dev/parport0 device doesn't get created by udev, i guess |
| 15:31.35 | hjb | parport_pc is loaded |
| 15:31.47 | antgel | Haris: some do. ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-enabled |
| 15:31.47 | jelly-home | hjb: is /dev/lp0 present? |
| 15:31.59 | wingot_ | Err, apache2 (and apache2-common) are both installed, but /etc/apache2/httpd.conf is missing ... |
| 15:32.07 | hjb | jelly-home no |
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| 15:32.33 | hjb | Strange thing: I've first experienced this problem some ours ago |
| 15:32.43 | linux3 | wow a lot of people here today |
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| 15:32.47 | linux3 | 766 |
| 15:32.57 | abrotman | as opposed to other days ? |
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| 15:33.02 | hjb | while trying to find a reason (by grepping through /etc/udev etc.) /dev/parport0 apperead! |
| 15:33.04 | Nigromante | hi |
| 15:33.05 | themill | wingot_: apache2.conf is used not httpd.conf |
| 15:33.12 | linux3 | abrotman, well other days im just not paying attention so i don't notice |
| 15:33.32 | linux3 | ive been coming here for a while and 766 is way more than it used to be just a few years ago |
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| 15:33.41 | linux3 | even last year it wouldn't have been that high |
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| 15:33.53 | jelly-home | linux3: would have been around 600-700 |
| 15:33.54 | wingot_ | themill: apache2.conf still calls httpd.conf it seems |
| 15:33.59 | wingot_ | Because it won't start with that missing |
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| 15:34.28 | themill | wingot_: it should be a blank file (it's a place you can put your own config if you want) |
| 15:34.40 | abrotman | linux3: uhm .. it's always around that number |
| 15:34.47 | wingot_ | themill: Ok, will try |
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| 15:35.41 | linux3 | well i guess i really wasn't paying attention then |
| 15:36.04 | linux3 | abrotman, well i remember when this channel was only at like 300 and that was considered a high number |
| 15:36.12 | wingot_ | themill: Thanks, that fixed it |
| 15:36.25 | wingot_ | Just had to touch /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 15:36.25 | themill | linux3: you mean like on oftc (currently 301) |
| 15:36.32 | abrotman | linux3: i've been here a long time .. never been that low |
| 15:36.34 | antgel | bwahaha |
| 15:36.43 | antgel | abrotman: n00b |
| 15:36.54 | themill | wingot_: yep, that would do it. all working now? |
| 15:37.02 | liable | heh |
| 15:37.06 | jelly-home | antgel: old fart |
| 15:37.06 | abrotman | antgel: even when i started coming here .. usually over 700 |
| 15:37.32 | linux3 | abrotman, humm... im talking years ago |
| 15:37.39 | abrotman | linux3: like 10? |
| 15:37.43 | liable | how many? |
| 15:37.50 | linux3 | abrotman, it just seems to me like the community is getting bigger |
| 15:37.54 | abrotman | whatever |
| 15:37.59 | linux3 | 7 years myself |
| 15:38.04 | linux3 | or 6 |
| 15:38.14 | hjb | can i somehow listen to what gets communicated from the kernel to udevd? |
| 15:38.15 | abrotman | yes .. it magically hit 800 last week |
| 15:38.20 | graytron | should "kdmctl reserve" actually spawn the configured reserve kdm login window on sarge? |
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| 15:38.40 | linux3 | abrotman, it just seems like more people are using linux than ever |
| 15:38.47 | jelly-home | hjb: like "udevmonitor"? |
| 15:38.50 | abrotman | sure |
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| 15:39.03 | abrotman | or more people lurk in IRC channels mining for your email address |
| 15:39.04 | hjb | jelly-home maybe. Sound like what i'm searching for :) |
| 15:39.21 | jelly-home | hjb: I just typed udev and pressed tab |
| 15:39.26 | wingot_ | themill: Well, it starts with `apache2`, but not with /etc/init.d/apache2 start (No output it created, no logs), and php still won't work :) |
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| 15:40.31 | liable | hrm, is it too late for that comet shower thing? |
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| 15:41.06 | hjb | jelly-home Well, good strategy |
| 15:41.15 | lindenle | how do I set a sticky bit so taht all files created within a directory will have same permissions and group as the directory? |
| 15:41.19 | hjb | jelly-home i should have tried that before asking ;) |
| 15:41.58 | Nigromante | chmod a+t ... ? |
| 15:42.11 | hjb | now i would need someone who can explain the output format :-/ |
| 15:42.48 | Cope | is there a linux equivalent of ndd under solaris to force nic behaviour? |
| 15:43.04 | themill | wingot_: perhaps bump up your loglevel to debug and then retry it. and apachectl configtest might help too |
| 15:43.33 | themill | wingot_: which would actually be apache2ctl these days.... |
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| 15:44.16 | atula | hello. I am looking for a channel to help with some coding (developer hangout)... since I only go to #debian (whenever on IRC)... can someone point me to a popular developer hangout irc channel? |
| 15:44.17 | atula | thanks |
| 15:44.39 | liable | atula: which language? they all mostly have one |
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| 15:45.03 | atula | liable: I am mostly looking for some AJAX help |
| 15:45.05 | liable | just /join #<language> |
| 15:45.07 | abrotman | #web |
| 15:45.16 | abrotman | they'll point you elsewhere if needed |
| 15:45.21 | wingot_ | themill: I'm looking in the init script, and the start (and all other cases) doesn't actually have a command to start/stop/whatever the webserver ... |
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| 15:45.33 | wingot_ | I'll figure this out in the morning, my battery is fast going flat |
| 15:45.34 | Gargantua | hi |
| 15:45.41 | atula | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:45.44 | Gargantua | I just ran a debian LiveCD. |
| 15:45.44 | wingot_ | Thanks for the help anyway themill |
| 15:45.47 | atula | liable: thanks. |
| 15:45.53 | Gargantua | any idea what the root pass might be? |
| 15:46.06 | themill | wingot_: OK. there is a line apache2ctl start in the init script/ |
| 15:46.23 | liable | Gargantua: the faq should mention so |
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| 15:47.06 | themill | in the habit of running random things of unknown providence? |
| 15:47.18 | wingot_ | themill: Not according to mine :) |
| 15:47.25 | Gargantua | nah, I had the livecd for a long time. |
| 15:47.25 | themill | Gargantua: the logged in user is usually able to sudo everything. |
| 15:47.27 | wingot_ | Will worry about it int he morning though, sleep :) |
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| 15:47.40 | r3tex | how can I disable hald-addon-cpufreq? |
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| 15:47.42 | themill | Gargantua: if you need, you can sudo passwd |
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| 15:48.21 | Gargantua | oh, you guys are right... |
| 15:48.23 | Gargantua | thanks. |
| 15:48.58 | hjb | Just to be sure: is anyone here running 2.6.21-2-686/lenny and has a working parallel port? |
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| 15:49.50 | antgel | hjb: *nod* |
| 15:49.58 | Nigromante | hjb, are you testing the kernel? |
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| 15:50.34 | hjb | Nigromante no, i'm having trouble with my parallel port |
| 15:50.44 | Nigromante | with that kernel? |
| 15:50.49 | hjb | Nigromante yes |
| 15:50.55 | Nigromante | try another version |
| 15:51.00 | hjb | Nigromante good idea |
| 15:51.19 | hjb | Nigromante do you think it could be a problem with the kernel? |
| 15:51.38 | Nigromante | mmm if it is the parallel port module, may be |
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| 15:51.52 | Nigromante | are you testing your printer? |
| 15:52.05 | hjb | antgel Could you please send me the output of "udevmonitor" while doing "modprobe -r parport_pc && modprobe parport_pc"? |
| 15:52.44 | hjb | Nigromante no, plain i/o device. Just some led's showing the line status |
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| 15:52.53 | Nigromante | ah ok |
| 15:53.13 | Nigromante | make sure it is not some user configuration... |
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| 15:53.43 | hjb | Nigromante what kind of are you thinking? Wrong permissions? |
| 15:54.01 | Nigromante | may be, which device are you testing? |
| 15:54.07 | hjb | Nigromante /dev/parallel0 |
| 15:54.25 | hjb | Nigromante oh, not right: /dev/parport0 |
| 15:54.30 | Nigromante | I mean, physical device (model, etc...) |
| 15:54.41 | Nigromante | external hd? |
| 15:54.53 | Nigromante | scanner? |
| 15:55.21 | hjb | Nigromante no device. Just led's connected to show the line status |
| 15:55.34 | Nigromante | ah, in motherboard? |
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| 15:56.05 | hjb | Nigromante no, it's some board i've soldered up with a cable to connect it to the parport |
| 15:56.11 | Nigromante | ah ok |
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| 15:57.01 | hjb | Nigromante btw. it's working well. Two ours ago i was using it after /dev/parport0 appeared magically out of nowhere :-/ |
| 15:57.22 | Nigromante | ok |
| 15:57.31 | hjb | Nigromante now i've rebooted and /dev/parport0 didn't reappear yet |
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| 15:58.00 | Nigromante | i guess i can't help you much then |
| 15:58.52 | hjb | Nigromante No prob. At least you've tried it. I'll go and test another kernel and another pc running the same os/kernel config |
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| 16:00.36 | Marco | I'm trying to do 'apt-get install kde4.*' but I want it to not install a specific package |
| 16:00.39 | Marco | is there a way to do that? |
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| 16:01.10 | themill | Marco: which version of kde4 do you think it's going to install? |
| 16:01.32 | hjb | %!&"/!! |
| 16:01.34 | Marco | themill, I'm using ubuntu, but I doubt I'm gonna get any serious help for apt in #ubuntu |
| 16:01.36 | Marco | ;-) |
| 16:01.49 | themill | Mar |
| 16:01.56 | liable | thats why you should use debian |
| 16:02.02 | hjb | just loading ppdev module solved my problem |
| 16:02.10 | themill | Marco: you're right about that. kde4 is not in debian. It doesn't exist yet. |
| 16:02.13 | hjb | i wonder why it didn't get loaded automagically |
| 16:02.23 | Marco | themill, ya, I'm installing it from the dev branch of ubuntu |
| 16:02.38 | themill | hjb: poke it in into /dev/modules, perhaps |
| 16:02.56 | themill | hjb: that would, of course, be /etc/modules |
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| 16:04.03 | themill | hjb: the parallel port doesn't do device notifications like usb, so it can't know that something has been plugged in and that it should now try to configure it. You need to do some hand holding. But if you're soldering things, then you probably already know that! |
| 16:04.07 | jelly-home | Marco: so you're installing an app that's available only in an unstable branch of a different distro, yet you ask for help here? :-) |
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| 16:04.24 | Marco | I'm not asking for help with installing the application |
| 16:04.27 | themill | !lart Marco |
| 16:04.28 | Marco | I'm asking about the workings of apt |
| 16:04.37 | Marco | jelly, perhaps if you read my question |
| 16:04.48 | liable | if its a depends then you cant |
| 16:04.51 | antgel | Marco: perhaps if you read the /topic |
| 16:04.51 | jelly-home | sounds to me like hlep with installing <Marco> I'm trying to do 'apt-get install kde4.*' but I want it to not install a specific package |
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| 16:05.21 | Marco | jelly-home, I want to install a whole bunch of packages using a regex argument to apt |
| 16:05.28 | Marco | but I want to tell it to not install a specific package |
| 16:05.53 | hjb | themill sometimes it's good to repeat the most interesting facts again and again ;) |
| 16:05.54 | themill | Marco: what do you see if you do an apt-cache policy for one of the packages? Is it even visible to apt? |
| 16:05.57 | hjb | themill i know it |
| 16:06.18 | themill | hjb: :) |
| 16:06.26 | hjb | themill i'm just wondering why it gets loaded automagically on one debian system but not on the other same configured system *wonder* |
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| 16:06.37 | hjb | themill it seems to be loaded by cupssys |
| 16:07.07 | hjb | themill but know i'm on my way ... thanks! |
| 16:07.07 | themill | hjb: either something else that touches the port (like cupsys) or perhaps devfs trying to be clever. |
| 16:07.11 | jelly-home | Marco: do a dry-run installation, get a list of all the packages, then install only those you want? |
| 16:07.16 | Braindead | Marco: aptitude and aptitude-doc are your friends. now try and understand why asking something ubuntu-related for a package that doesn't even exist in debian quite isn't that correct or polite |
| 16:07.44 | snowbird | the mill |
| 16:07.53 | snowbird | got gdam router here |
| 16:08.08 | snowbird | locked up tighter than nuts ?? |
| 16:08.09 | themill | Marco: are you telling us that our friends in #ubuntu aren't good at answering questions about the finer points of apt? |
| 16:08.12 | hjb | themill something like that |
| 16:08.21 | Marco | themill, I'm saying that #ubuntu is hell hole |
| 16:08.34 | antgel | Marco: they must have other support options |
| 16:08.37 | themill | Marco: remind me not to go there ;) |
| 16:08.38 | snowbird | hell hole yeah some rooms have abuse b\no hole |
| 16:08.51 | snowbird | the mill stay here freindly one |
| 16:08.51 | themill | hjb: devfs would only be an older kernel, of course |
| 16:09.06 | Marco | themill, I'm still a debian user at heart |
| 16:09.13 | snowbird | the mill who was helping on rpm to deb conversions |
| 16:09.18 | antgel | just not in practice |
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| 16:09.35 | themill | Marco: that's even worse... traitor! |
| 16:09.37 | themill | !kill Marco |
| 16:09.43 | Marco | :( |
| 16:09.59 | mbuf | after doing apt-get install mediawiki on debian etch, what steps need to be followed to set it up? have installed 1.7 version |
| 16:10.10 | Marco | themill, I installed ubuntu because "justworkedTM" |
| 16:10.16 | antgel | !tell mbuf about usd |
| 16:10.34 | jelly-home | Marco: I installed Debian because it had good support on IRC :-P |
| 16:10.40 | themill | lol |
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| 16:10.45 | liable | the mediawiki docs truly suck for debian |
| 16:10.56 | jelly-home | (ok, so I'm lying) |
| 16:11.03 | solitude| | hai2u jelly |
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| 16:11.40 | Marco | jelly-home, it's just that I like my machine to stay fairly recent software wise |
| 16:11.47 | Marco | and I love toying with experimental software |
| 16:12.03 | Marco | but debian unstable is very problematic |
| 16:12.04 | liable | Marco: if its any consolation, you wouldnt get help here for installing sid/experimental stuff either :) |
| 16:12.05 | jelly-home | Marco: I like mine to be upgradeable and to have someone to ask |
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| 16:12.19 | Braindead | "experimental software" and "problematic" work in pair |
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| 16:13.34 | jelly-home | Marco: so now you know: Ubuntu is not supported here. They do have commercial support though. |
| 16:13.38 | themill | Marco: see if you can work out what's going on via apt-cache (to see what packages are available) and aptitude. You may need a dist-upgrade rather than an upgrade to pull new libraries. You may also need to change /etc/apt/preferences to enable things to be installed from whatever the experimental branch is called. |
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| 16:13.56 | Marco | themill, all I want to do is tell app "don't install this package" |
| 16:14.07 | Marco | "but install everything else that matches this regex" |
| 16:14.08 | liable | so put it on hold |
| 16:14.09 | Nigromante | hjb, i have ppdev loaded and not in/etc |
| 16:14.13 | Braindead | Marco: if it is a "Depends" tough shit |
| 16:14.16 | Nigromante | .../modules |
| 16:14.20 | Nigromante | curious |
| 16:14.20 | Marco | Braindead, it's not |
| 16:14.21 | themill | jelly-home: are we playing good-cop bad-cop here :) |
| 16:14.27 | Marco | Braindead, I'm using apt-get install kde4.* |
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| 16:14.35 | Braindead | Marco: aptitude -s install ~n^foo foobar: |
| 16:14.36 | solitude| | oh dear |
| 16:14.38 | solitude| | isnt that an alpha? |
| 16:14.50 | themill | solitude|: beta1 released a week ago |
| 16:14.50 | Marco | solitude|, just entered beta |
| 16:14.53 | liable | solitude|: snss |
| 16:15.00 | Marco | I have it running now, but with no kde software |
| 16:15.01 | Marco | or anything |
| 16:15.05 | Marco | really barebones |
| 16:15.14 | Braindead | gosh you're sooooo bleeding edge and coool |
| 16:15.24 | Marco | :/ |
| 16:15.51 | Nigromante | hjb, I guess the OS cannot detect your device (you may add a chip with ID or something?) |
| 16:16.08 | antgel | Marco: enough with the grimacing, if you want an easy life install supported software |
| 16:16.19 | antgel | otherwise you're on your own |
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| 16:17.17 | themill | hey... Marco's asking questions that are more intelligent that most around here... (and certainly a lot more intelligent that the average mp3 for ubuntu question that we get...) I'm prepared to cut a little slack ;) |
| 16:17.40 | Braindead | themill: I still find annoying the whole "bleeding edge AND easy life" attitude3 |
| 16:17.52 | antgel | themill: great, go and help him in #ubuntu |
| 16:17.54 | Marco | Braindead, I'm not asking for that |
| 16:18.02 | Marco | all I asked was for help with APT |
| 16:18.03 | antgel | Braindead: *nod* |
| 16:18.20 | themill | antgel: get stuffed! |
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| 16:18.31 | themill | antgel: (meant in the nicest possible way ;) |
| 16:18.33 | Braindead | plus the "you guys on #debian are soooooo much smarter than #ubuntu" is an uncalled and unpolite attempt at flattering |
| 16:18.37 | antgel | !stuff me |
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| 16:18.56 | antgel | Braindead: i don't know ;) *preen* |
| 16:19.11 | DustyBin | what useful things have people done with debian today? |
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| 16:19.23 | Braindead | DustyBin: I downloaded pr0n |
| 16:19.30 | themill | cursing and swearing at experimental data... sad. |
| 16:19.32 | jetscreamer | cured world hunger |
| 16:19.42 | themill | s/experimental data/people on #debian/ |
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| 16:19.47 | liable | i'm curing aids as we speak |
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| 16:20.23 | antgel | DustyBin: surfed the web, listened to music, ripped a cd, emailed, IMd, IRCd, changed my mixer settings, typed in dvorak and hebrew, all in 64-bit-ness! |
| 16:20.36 | themill | show off |
| 16:20.49 | DustyBin | c0ol |
| 16:21.01 | antgel | and i didn't use gnome or kde :D |
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| 16:21.17 | themill | ooo... you too could run ubuntu experimental.... |
| 16:21.18 | liable | *groan* |
| 16:21.25 | DustyBin | today ive used debian to contact a server with lftpd and im mirroring some stuff |
| 16:21.28 | Braindead | <blatant aptitude advocacy> /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/rn01re01.html /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html if you wanna know more about the | ~n^foo foobar: | magic /O/ ~ |
| 16:21.40 | DustyBin | *lftp |
| 16:21.54 | antgel | themill: i could also shove a red-hot poker up my arse |
| 16:22.08 | DustyBin | i wonder if Ian Murdock visits this channel |
| 16:22.12 | Braindead | antgel: film it |
| 16:22.21 | themill | see... that's just too much information... |
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| 16:23.41 | antgel | i wonder if ian murdock looks back and can't believe what he created |
| 16:23.57 | jetscreamer | so which is worse: the red hot poker, or the ubuntu experimental.... |
| 16:24.01 | themill | liable: bastard |
| 16:24.13 | liable | gimme the poker |
| 16:24.20 | antgel | jetscreamer: hard to say, you think i'm nuts enough to try the ubuntu? :) |
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| 16:26.58 | snowbird | jetscream worse is mts |
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| 16:29.19 | dabaR | !any ideas |
| 16:29.19 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of condoms, a little vegemite, and 5 or 6 rabid badgers. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 16:29.34 | dabaR | !any ideas |
| 16:29.34 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of condoms, a little WD-40, and 5 or 6 starving hamsters. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 16:29.54 | Ronin | dabaR: you can also do /msg dpkg so we all don't have to see that |
| 16:30.02 | snowbird | mts equipment is sh my provider |
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| 16:30.16 | dabaR | !msg the bot |
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| 16:30.16 | dpkg | msg the bot is, like, please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 16:30.48 | antgel | never ceases to amaze me, the weird shit that happens on irc |
| 16:30.55 | snowbird | what happend |
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| 16:33.47 | jetscreamer | !cluebat snowbird |
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| 16:37.01 | snowbird | reches under chair for ? bang bang at dpkg |
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| 16:37.19 | fmarostica | Does anyone here use debian etch with lircd? |
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| 16:38.28 | themill | !anyone |
| 16:38.28 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 16:38.57 | fmarostica | themill, hmmm |
| 16:39.12 | fmarostica | modrobe lirc_i2c |
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| 16:39.22 | fmarostica | FATAL: Module lirc_i2c not found. |
| 16:39.39 | xerophyte43 | does anybody know where can find the abiword-plugin deb files .. i am not able to find it |
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| 16:40.43 | themill | fmarostica: have you installed lirc-modules-source? |
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| 16:41.42 | fmarostica | themill, yes |
| 16:42.01 | fmarostica | themill, I've installed it and built it |
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| 16:42.26 | fmarostica | themill, dpkg -i lirc-modules-_0.8.0-9.2+Custom.1.00_i386.deb |
| 16:43.24 | fmarostica | themill, this package uncompress some modules in /lib/modules/usr/src/linux/misc/ |
| 16:43.25 | fmarostica | lirc_atiusb.o lirc_cmdir.o lirc_dev.o lirc_gpio.o lirc_i2c.o lirc_mceusb.o lirc_serial.o |
| 16:43.31 | fmarostica | So, Whe try load any module I got fails |
| 16:43.49 | fmarostica | modprobe lirc_i2c |
| 16:43.51 | fmarostica | FATAL: Module lirc_i2c not found. |
| 16:43.52 | fmarostica | :( |
| 16:43.56 | themill | fmarostica: it should drop .ko files in /lib/modiles/$(uname -r)/misc |
| 16:44.06 | jetscreamer | modules |
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| 16:44.16 | themill | yeah that's the one.... |
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| 16:44.31 | themill | fmarostica: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/misc |
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| 16:45.01 | antgel | fmarostica: did you build it with m-a? |
| 16:45.09 | fmarostica | antgel, yes |
| 16:45.17 | fmarostica | antgel, not! |
| 16:45.27 | jetscreamer | which |
| 16:45.31 | fmarostica | antgel, dpkg-reconfigure lirc-modules-source |
| 16:45.44 | fmarostica | antgel, not with m-a |
| 16:45.50 | liable | fmarostica: load it with insmod giving the full path, does it complain? |
| 16:45.51 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 16:46.05 | themill | liable: we haven't found any .ko files to insmod yet |
| 16:46.10 | liable | that path its installed in is fucked up |
| 16:46.18 | fmarostica | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC_on_Debian_Etch |
| 16:46.19 | antgel | liable: *nod* |
| 16:46.34 | antgel | fmarostica: build and install it with m-a |
| 16:46.53 | themill | does that dpkg-reconfigure just select what parts are to be built and you stilll need to use m-a, I wonder |
| 16:46.54 | snowbird | hands liable pillow |
| 16:46.57 | liable | fmarostica: what kernel do you have? |
| 16:46.58 | antgel | although istr a bug with that package and m-a. you might want to check the bts |
| 16:47.08 | fmarostica | themill, I dont have nothing in |
| 16:47.15 | fmarostica | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:47.23 | fmarostica | liable, 2.6.18-4 |
| 16:47.28 | liable | ok |
| 16:47.49 | liable | then the package is even more fucked up |
| 16:48.44 | themill | fmarostica: ok... My guess is that you've only configured the package and still need to actually build it properly. dpkg -r the one that you've got and then m-a a-i lirc-modules-src |
| 16:49.02 | themill | (or whatever the name of the package should be.. tab completion is good) |
| 16:49.22 | fmarostica | I try it |
| 16:50.16 | fmarostica | hmmm |
| 16:50.23 | fmarostica | apt-get install lirc-modules-source |
| 16:50.26 | fmarostica | m-a update |
| 16:50.28 | fmarostica | m-a prepare |
| 16:50.36 | fmarostica | m-a build lirc-modules-source |
| 16:50.42 | fmarostica | m-a install |
| 16:50.44 | themill | bug 429249 says it all..... "lirc-modules-source: Badly documented, doesn't work" |
| 16:51.23 | themill | see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=404505 |
| 16:51.25 | antgel | !dbugs 404505 |
| 16:51.28 | dpkg | #404505:I[lirc-modules-source] lirc-modules-source: dpkg-reconfigure installs module in wrong path; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 19:48:01 UTC |
| 16:52.05 | liable | fmarostica: try untarring the deb and doing a make in it |
| 16:52.15 | liable | untarring the bz |
| 16:52.21 | liable | in /usr/src |
| 16:52.34 | fmarostica | hmmmmmmmm |
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| 16:52.43 | themill | fmarostica: what's up? |
| 16:52.44 | fmarostica | with m-a works fine |
| 16:53.03 | szymon_g | ekhm, gentlemen, have you see anywhere in repository package called 'uswsusp'? if yes- in which repo? |
| 16:53.04 | fmarostica | # ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/misc/ |
| 16:53.13 | fmarostica | fglrx.ko lirc_dev.ko lirc_gpio.ko lirc_i2c.ko |
| 16:53.21 | themill | !ingo uswsusp etch |
| 16:53.24 | themill | !info uswsusp etch |
| 16:53.27 | liable | szymon_g: thats a kernel module innit? |
| 16:53.28 | dpkg | uswsusp: (tools to use userspace software suspend provided by Linux), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.3~cvs20060928-7 (etch), Packaged size: 499 kB, Installed size: 1140 kB |
| 16:53.39 | fmarostica | # modprobe lirc_i2c |
| 16:53.41 | fmarostica | no more errors |
| 16:53.42 | fmarostica | ;) |
| 16:53.46 | themill | liable: no, software suspent tools for userspace stuff |
| 16:53.47 | szymon_g | liable, : hm... i think yes :| |
| 16:54.04 | themill | szymon_g: it's in main. |
| 16:54.05 | szymon_g | ah, right, themill have right :P |
| 16:54.48 | themill | fmarostica: all good then.... just don't ask us about configuring the damned thing ;) How would you like to add your thoughts to that bug (404505) and also that wiki now? |
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| 16:55.20 | themill | fmarostica: that will be good feedback for the maintainer and will help others as they will invariably follow things like the mythtv wiki for instructions. |
| 16:55.36 | szymon_g | he, i've found it :P |
| 16:55.42 | szymon_g | i forgot about sudo :P |
| 16:56.16 | fmarostica | themill, yes |
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| 16:56.53 | themill | :) |
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| 17:08.10 | S4nD3r | hello |
| 17:08.15 | S4nD3r | I have a problem |
| 17:08.23 | Davidos | What you guys consider a nice shell company? |
| 17:08.27 | S4nD3r | My printer was working good, but now its not printing anymore |
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| 17:09.48 | S4nD3r | E [13/Aug/2007:13:52:01 -0300] Unable to find IP address for server name "matrix"! |
| 17:09.48 | TomJ | does beryl work well in debian? I'm not getting much info on it coming up in google |
| 17:09.57 | S4nD3r | E [13/Aug/2007:14:08:53 -0300] [Job 38] /undefined in ESPwl |
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| 17:10.05 | S4nD3r | E [13/Aug/2007:14:08:53 -0300] PID 4410 (/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip) stopped with status 3! |
| 17:10.18 | amphi | TomJ: beryl is dead |
| 17:10.24 | amphi | TomJ: but it worked ok |
| 17:10.28 | TomJ | oh :( |
| 17:10.32 | TomJ | so is there somethin else? |
| 17:10.37 | TomJ | for macos/vista style effects? |
| 17:10.47 | themill | compiz |
| 17:11.16 | TomJ | ah right ok. and that works well in debian? |
| 17:11.22 | amphi | TomJ: an older version of compiz is in debian |
| 17:11.36 | amphi | TomJ: what card do you have? |
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| 17:12.25 | TomJ | does upgrading to the latest version work ok? I have a Dell laptop with a NVidia Quadro 110M, which is like a GeForce Go 7300. has 128mb onboard memory and 128mb shared memory, and is fairly powerful for rendering I believe |
| 17:12.29 | TomJ | not so good for games |
| 17:12.58 | paxcoder | !libwnck |
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| 17:13.21 | S4nD3r | Quota limit reached. |
| 17:13.27 | S4nD3r | when i try to printtest page |
| 17:13.29 | paxcoder | anyone knows why it's not possible to install libwnck-dev? |
| 17:13.30 | S4nD3r | in cups |
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| 17:15.18 | StarWars | hi |
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| 17:15.22 | StarWars | how do i ADD a Primary Key to a mysql table ?? :) |
| 17:15.58 | zedboy | StarWars: you could do what I do: cheat and use phpMyAdmin :-) |
| 17:16.08 | TomJ | does compiz work with kde? |
| 17:16.17 | StarWars | i dont trust phpMyAdmin. |
| 17:16.21 | StarWars | i use WebMin. |
| 17:16.35 | themill | TomJ: I believe so, but not with the kwin window manager, you have to replace it with the compiz one. |
| 17:16.41 | TomJ | right ok |
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| 17:18.48 | zedboy | StarWars: I think that might be a funny combination :) |
| 17:19.01 | paxcoder | WTH? When I try to install: |
| 17:19.01 | paxcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.01 | paxcoder | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:19.21 | themill | TomJ: or just wait until kde4 when it will work out of the box |
| 17:19.21 | paxcoder | anyone? |
| 17:19.31 | pingouin_ | how do i create a /dev/dvd ? that pointing to hdx ? i got a /dev/dvd1 but no /dev/dvd |
| 17:19.45 | paxcoder | pthew. kde. yuck |
| 17:19.57 | zedboy | paxcoder: that should probably be a >=. Looks like a bug in the package. |
| 17:19.58 | themill | paxcoder: aptitude update would be appropriate |
| 17:20.01 | paxcoder | big icons. transparency. this isn't a carnival |
| 17:20.01 | zedboy | paxcoder: you can --force it. |
| 17:20.14 | paxcoder | themill: aptitude? |
| 17:20.29 | themill | !tell paxcoder about aptitude |
| 17:20.32 | liable | never use force unless you are sure you can get away with it |
| 17:20.33 | paxcoder | zedboy: --force it? |
| 17:20.44 | paxcoder | !aptitude |
| 17:20.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx ... |
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| 17:21.22 | paxcoder | but i already used apt-get |
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| 17:21.54 | SoulChild | anyone using b2evolution |
| 17:21.58 | themill | paxcoder: do an aptitude update && aptitude upgrade then try installing it |
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| 17:22.10 | paxcoder | with apt-get? |
| 17:22.11 | SoulChild | ohh sorry that was an "anyone-question" |
| 17:22.44 | roxy_ | I am trying to use a wifi pci card: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless (rev 03) . What is the best way ? ndiswrapper ? (testing amd64) |
| 17:22.46 | themill | paxcoder: start using aptitude in place of apt-get :) |
| 17:23.24 | paxcoder | why? |
| 17:23.39 | themill | paxcoder: it looks like you've got some old lenny packages still installed that are blocking the install. |
| 17:23.39 | h3sp4wn | roxy_: wireless-dev or -mm kernel I would try |
| 17:23.47 | themill | !tell paxcoder about why aptitude |
| 17:24.10 | paxcoder | !apt-get |
| 17:24.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-get is "apt-get install synaptic" for gui "apt-get install aptitude" for curses or just use apt-get command line. apt-get is a program part of the apt package used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for apt. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ see also <apt> <apt-cache> <synaptic> <aptitude> |
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| 17:24.15 | DustyBin | anyone here running a 2.6.21 kernel? |
| 17:24.20 | SoulChild | which package adds the option to "log in" in a new session of GDM ? |
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| 17:24.39 | SoulChild | DustyBin: me but please don't ask an "anyone"-question |
| 17:24.47 | themill | paxcoder: yes, I know what apt-get is. I've been using it for quite some years now.... aptitude is now the preferred front end. |
| 17:24.53 | S4nD3r | does anybody can help me with my printer? |
| 17:24.59 | SoulChild | !tell DustyBin about anyone |
| 17:25.05 | DustyBin | SoulChild: how did you get the nvidia driver working? what instructions did you follow? |
| 17:25.35 | SoulChild | DustyBin: who said, that i have a nvidia graphics card ,... ??? |
| 17:25.38 | DustyBin | SoulChild: |
| 17:25.40 | DustyBin | oh ok |
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| 17:25.48 | paxcoder | themill: no, that was for me. to see why |
| 17:25.48 | roxy_ | h3sp4wn: thanks |
| 17:25.59 | themill | !tell paxcoder about msg the bot |
| 17:26.35 | DustyBin | whover is using the 2.6.21 kernel with the nvidia driver, could you please tell me how you done it? |
| 17:26.39 | DustyBin | *whoever |
| 17:26.46 | S4nD3r | Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed |
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| 17:27.18 | themill | !tell DustyBin about nvidia 2.6.21 |
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| 17:28.00 | paxcoder | Removing gnome-system-tools ... |
| 17:28.05 | paxcoder | wth is happening? |
| 17:28.12 | paxcoder | after i used aptitude |
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| 17:28.38 | liable | yes, aptitude will eat your first born if you let it |
| 17:28.39 | themill | paxcoder: what sort of etch/sid/lenny mashup do you have there? |
| 17:28.39 | paxcoder | help |
| 17:28.45 | paxcoder | etch |
| 17:29.00 | paxcoder | testing upgrated to stabile |
| 17:29.08 | liable | huh? |
| 17:29.12 | themill | not with those versions of libwnck18 you don't |
| 17:29.18 | themill | !tell paxcoder about downgrade |
| 17:29.23 | roxy_ | is there a way to use a pci wireless lan adapter compatible 32 bits on an amd64 , 64 bits kernel ? |
| 17:29.38 | liable | paxcoder: did you bother to take a look at what it said it was going to do before you hit enter? |
| 17:30.16 | paxcoder | yeah. once. the second time i taught it said install. |
| 17:30.30 | paxcoder | i'm done with aptitude |
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| 17:30.38 | DustyBin | im too scared to recompile my kernel :( |
| 17:30.58 | DustyBin | recompiling a kernel is not the debian way to do things |
| 17:30.59 | S4nD3r | ? |
| 17:31.00 | liable | paxcoder: if you are going to use aptitude, do it all the time. dont just use it once in a while |
| 17:31.14 | liable | paxcoder: its great, but dont mix it with apt-get |
| 17:31.48 | paxcoder | whatever, i almost deleted everything!!! |
| 17:32.11 | liable | shrug |
| 17:32.16 | liable | !whatever |
| 17:32.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, whatever is the last word spoken by the loser of an argument |
| 17:32.19 | paxcoder | i said i was using apt-get |
| 17:32.20 | paxcoder | maan |
| 17:32.30 | sparr | i want a filespec that catches everything in the current directory except . and .., whats the easiest way to do that? ive been using "* .??*" but that misses .x and such |
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| 17:33.18 | paxcoder | !rumour |
| 17:33.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, I think. |
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| 17:35.11 | themill | paxcoder: it only tried to uninstall everything because you have a mixture of etch and lenny installed and tried to downgrade to etch. apt-get will probably do the same, either that or just choke. |
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| 17:35.31 | paxcoder | yes, it did. i deinstall everything. |
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| 17:36.02 | paxcoder | now, we'll see if reinstalling will work, or i'll need to install x-chat again :-) |
| 17:36.12 | themill | so it's not aptitude's fault... pebkac :) |
| 17:36.20 | themill | !tell paxcoder about reinstall |
| 17:36.20 | paxcoder | i know |
| 17:36.26 | diafic | one last try... |
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| 17:36.48 | paxcoder | all i got was strange things :-P |
| 17:37.04 | zpertee | how come when I uninstall a package it doesn't remove the /etc/package-name directory? |
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| 17:37.29 | themill | !tell zpertee about purge |
| 17:37.29 | diafic | here we go again~ |
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| 17:37.50 | snowbird | does etch have netscape |
| 17:38.00 | TomJ | is there a list somewhere of all the apt-get meta packages? like I know build-essential, butI dont know what other ones might exist. the synaptic package manager just shows individual packges, I was hoping there were groups of packages I could get |
| 17:38.03 | S4nD3r | desgraca |
| 17:39.48 | zpertee | themill, I'm confused. what is purge? |
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| 17:41.39 | themill | zpertee: config files are left behind when you "remove" a packge. if you want to get rid of them too, you need to "purge" the package. |
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| 17:43.09 | zpertee | themill ok. on the flipside what if i manually removed the configuration files and now when I reinstall a package the configuration files aren't installed. what can I do about that. |
| 17:43.31 | dondelelcaro | !confmiss |
| 17:43.31 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 17:44.31 | zpertee | dpkg, |
| 17:44.47 | zpertee | thanks everyone for your help |
| 17:44.52 | felix | good evening |
| 17:44.57 | themill | zpertee: np |
| 17:45.27 | ehtom | I can see the tor .deb in backports.org/debian/pool, but i can't apt-get install it... any idea why? |
| 17:45.27 | felix | a question I'm getting this (http://paste.debian.net/34543) error when I try to listen a MP3 file. |
| 17:45.41 | felix | Does anyone know if amarok (amarok-engine) has problems with mp3 files? |
| 17:45.47 | themill | ehtom: do you have backports in your sources.list? |
| 17:46.13 | themill | felix: have you installed mp3 codecs from debian-multimedia or similar? |
| 17:46.31 | paxcoder | themill: where can i see what i removed? |
| 17:46.42 | paxcoder | (if it's possible) |
| 17:46.46 | ehtom | themill: yeah, i've installed other packages from there |
| 17:46.53 | felix | themill, I don't think so. I've already had debian-multimedia repositories |
| 17:46.56 | themill | paxcoder: there is both a dpkg log and an aptitude log in /var/log |
| 17:47.03 | felix | themill, do you know the name of the package? |
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| 17:49.09 | StarWars | i have a db ' ip ' with a Table caled 'ban_ip' wich ban the whole IP x.x.x.x i need to ban x.x.x.* all clas from 1 to 255. what i must add on theat table to alowed * ? http://www.pastebin.ca/655800 |
| 17:49.27 | DustyBin | StarWars: nice nick |
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| 17:49.34 | themill | ehtom: what does apt-cache policy package_name have to say? |
| 17:50.21 | ehtom | no installation candidate |
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| 17:50.39 | StarWars | DustyBi sund cool to :) ..thanks |
| 17:50.46 | StarWars | DustyBin sund cool to :) ..thanks |
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| 17:50.58 | stoned | wow |
| 17:51.03 | stoned | I actually had to work a little today |
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| 17:51.04 | daquino_ | how do i get that bootstrap version of debian ? |
| 17:51.04 | stoned | hehe busy day |
| 17:51.06 | lordrich | StarWars: that's more of a mysql question than a debian one |
| 17:51.20 | StarWars | lordrich i know. ;p |
| 17:51.29 | lordrich | so try #mysql maybe? |
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| 17:52.12 | StarWars | lordrich thanks |
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| 17:53.33 | Guerin | daquino_: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 17:53.57 | themill | ehtom: it looks like tor in bpo is only a sarge package. |
| 17:54.25 | penrod | greetings, what is being recommended these days for bandwidth shaping tool ? |
| 17:54.27 | Guerin | noreply.org has etch tor |
| 17:54.45 | ehtom | themill, Guerin: thanks |
| 17:54.53 | Guerin | penrod: i use trickle, wondershaper is also popular |
| 17:55.20 | snowbird | got to gil the stupid router |
| 17:55.31 | ehtom | hmm... how do I use the noreply debian repository? |
| 17:55.36 | penrod | Guerin, this is to be used in a hotel on the newtork for guests, is there any limitations. |
| 17:55.54 | liable | Guerin: shit the bed? |
| 17:56.15 | Guerin | liable: prefer if you didn't, thanks all the same |
| 17:56.45 | Guerin | penrod: yeah, trickle is going to be useless because it's per-shell |
| 17:56.59 | snowbird | laible that shit in bed is bad means to many beans or prune juice or alcohol |
| 17:57.14 | snowbird | i would ahve to burn bed and sheets |
| 17:57.22 | liable | no, it means someone is awake earlier than you expect |
| 17:57.46 | Guerin | liable: i work at this time every morning |
| 17:57.59 | snowbird | oh ok liable |
| 17:58.01 | liable | Guerin: is it 6ish there now? |
| 17:58.08 | Guerin | liable: yep |
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| 17:58.50 | snowbird | trend net rouuter needs netscape |
| 17:58.57 | snowbird | does etch got that |
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| 17:59.34 | themill | snowbird: no, etch doesn't have netscape. But iceweasel should work. |
| 17:59.59 | snowbird | nope iceweasel is firefox no go |
| 18:00.08 | snowbird | maybe konqerwill |
| 18:00.29 | Ronin | snowbird: your router only accepts connections from netscape? seriously? |
| 18:00.44 | snowbird | yeah and ie |
| 18:00.51 | snowbird | thats what manual says |
| 18:00.56 | liable | ... |
| 18:00.58 | themill | snowbird: perhaps try the "User Agent Switcher" add-on to iceweasel. It fools a lot of things that check the user-agent string. |
| 18:01.08 | Ronin | i suspect the manual is incorrect |
| 18:01.09 | snowbird | sweet |
| 18:01.22 | liable | thats just fucking stupid |
| 18:01.28 | twobitsprite | snowbird: have your tried connecting from firefox? |
| 18:01.31 | themill | es, but the stupid machine might actually check the user agent string... |
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| 18:01.37 | themill | *yes |
| 18:01.42 | snowbird | the mill right u ahve to fool it |
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| 18:02.04 | snowbird | the mill sound works better now |
| 18:02.04 | themill | what a POS. |
| 18:02.08 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 18:02.12 | snowbird | i make head way |
| 18:02.22 | themill | g'day TrueDD |
| 18:02.29 | snowbird | ronin go ahead what brnd router |
| 18:02.38 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 18:02.40 | snowbird | i don;t got choice |
| 18:02.52 | TrueDD | hello themill |
| 18:03.14 | daquino_ | is debootstrap not for running on a non debian system ? |
| 18:03.24 | daquino_ | its looking for a MAKEDEV script which slackware doesn't have |
| 18:03.39 | twobitsprite | daquino_: debootstrap is a debian thing, I believe |
| 18:03.50 | daquino_ | yea but its for running other debians on any unix system |
| 18:04.01 | DustyBin | does bootstrapping mean booting a computer using another hd over the network? |
| 18:04.03 | snowbird | ronin you send me better router il use |
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| 18:05.37 | twobitsprite | DustyBin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootstrapping_%28computing%29 |
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| 18:05.45 | caytchen | hello :) the question may not be that debian-relevant, but i installed libcurl3 through apt, still i get messages about curl/curl.h not being found :< |
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| 18:06.01 | twobitsprite | DustyBin: what you're talking about is network booting |
| 18:06.06 | DustyBin | twobitsprite: i remember sprites in the c64 days |
| 18:06.13 | twobitsprite | DustyBin: :) |
| 18:06.15 | DustyBin | aye ok |
| 18:07.10 | _oP | @DustyBin you know the sex games for c64 i destroyed 6 joysticks because of that game :p |
| 18:07.40 | Rambozo | caytchen: try searching apt-cache for curl-devel or libcurl3-devel and install the one you find |
| 18:07.41 | twobitsprite | _oP: uhh... |
| 18:07.46 | _oP | hehe# |
| 18:08.21 | _oP | was similar to the Olympic summer games etc... |
| 18:08.22 | caytchen | Rambozo, i'll try, but shouldn't libcurl be a devel-package by definition? |
| 18:09.29 | Rambozo | caytchen: yeah just thought about that. Im not sure, it should be hehe :) |
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| 18:14.16 | xerophyte43 | does anybody use abiword, if so how can i get the this grammar plugin .. its works but it does not give grammar suggestions |
| 18:14.50 | stoned | i think its abiword-plugins |
| 18:14.52 | stoned | the package |
| 18:14.58 | stoned | !info abiword-plugins |
| 18:15.02 | dpkg | abiword-plugins: (plugins for AbiWord), section editors, is optional. Version: 2.4.6-2.1 (sid), Packaged size: 653 kB, Installed size: 1992 kB |
| 18:15.17 | lordrich | caytchen: no, a devel package provides the stuff to compile against, the library just lets other packages use it |
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| 18:15.32 | stoned | oh you alreayd have it installed? |
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| 18:15.48 | simonrvn | @wb |
| 18:15.49 | ravenbird | thanks, simonrvn. It's good to be back. |
| 18:16.06 | lordrich | caytchen: ie. you don't need the .h files once stuff is compiled |
| 18:16.29 | stoned | been a while since we saw this kid |
| 18:16.39 | stoned | @bow to stoned |
| 18:16.41 | stoned | no? |
| 18:16.42 | stoned | ok |
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| 18:20.05 | solar678 | hi all |
| 18:20.21 | solar678 | i have not set up any firewall |
| 18:20.31 | solar678 | but something is blocking a few ports |
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| 18:20.35 | solar678 | how do i find out how |
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| 18:27.04 | Deimos__ | hi |
| 18:27.16 | xerophyte43 | stoned, its hightlight in green but does not give me suggestion |
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| 18:27.55 | wAndyw78 | Hi at all. How can I declare a IDE drive as "removable"? Background: The drive is mounted in a removable 5 1/2" slot. If i want to mount using gnome-mount I get: hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000 (of cource, as root I can mount the drive) |
| 18:28.06 | cr3 | how can I get the volume ID from an ISO image? |
| 18:28.17 | xand | wAndyw78: you need to add "user" to the entry in fstab |
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| 18:28.53 | wAndyw78 | okay, thank you. But don_t i run into problems when I boot without the IDE drive plugged in? |
| 18:29.01 | xand | wAndyw78: add noauto too :) |
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| 18:29.11 | sparr | how can i extract the files from a deb without affecting the package installation status? dpkg --unpack makes apt want to configure/install the package. |
| 18:29.43 | wAndyw78 | okay, thank you. I'll try it :-) |
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| 18:31.28 | hatex | zdravim lidi |
| 18:31.37 | hatex | mluvi tu nekdo cesky ? |
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| 18:31.49 | hark | sparr: use ar |
| 18:32.05 | simonrvn | turkish? |
| 18:32.16 | xand | !cz |
| 18:32.17 | dpkg | i guess cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz |
| 18:32.32 | simonrvn | mm, yeh czech |
| 18:32.34 | sparr | thanks |
| 18:32.49 | hatex | ou thanks |
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| 18:32.54 | hatex | exit |
| 18:33.07 | bzed | /quit ;) |
| 18:33.12 | simonrvn | /join #debian-cz |
| 18:33.48 | hatex | sorry ;-) |
| 18:33.53 | slapfaceware | 60g wd and 80g hitachi, which one worth more money? |
| 18:34.08 | simonrvn | np |
| 18:34.27 | roxy_ | I have a debian amd64 with testing 64 bit kernel, partition on all main dir and a 32 bit pci wireless card. What is the best way to set up the wireless card ? chroot , install 32 or is there a way to make it work that way ? |
| 18:35.15 | wAndyw78 | @xand: Works! thank you. Very simple solution ;-) |
| 18:36.28 | h3sp4wn | roxy_: if you need ndiswrapper you need a 64 bit windows driver (did you try the driver in the wireless-dev tree ?) |
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| 18:36.50 | simonrvn | please don't use @ as a prefix, my bot uses that |
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| 18:36.59 | wAndyw78 | ah, okay |
| 18:37.06 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 18:37.23 | simonrvn | @say hi wAndyw78 |
| 18:37.36 | simonrvn | @say hi |
| 18:37.37 | ravenbird | hi |
| 18:38.43 | roxy_ | h3sp4wn: what is wireless-dev, I thought it was a package but couldn't find it. |
| 18:38.54 | yigal | i have a digital camera that i want to import photos from. i mounted the camera with 'gphotofs' and i want to find all of the JPG on the camera and copy them to a folder what am i doing wrong, with this command: find $camera -name '*JPG' -exec cp -t $folder '{} |
| 18:39.03 | yigal | ' \; |
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| 18:39.19 | yigal | sorry hit <CR> unexpectedly |
| 18:39.31 | xand | yigal: -iname? |
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| 18:39.53 | xand | yigal: also '' round {} are not needed |
| 18:39.54 | pheeror | hi, what's that magic name of program to edit deb package? |
| 18:39.56 | yigal | xand: oh, xand, i am sorry the find part works, its the 'cp' that doesn't |
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| 18:40.06 | xand | erm |
| 18:40.10 | pheeror | I have same software which is distributed only as deb, and I have to make some changes |
| 18:40.11 | xand | what's $folder? |
| 18:40.23 | yigal | xand: i was trying $HOME for a start |
| 18:40.33 | wAndyw78 | roxy: Do you want to use ndiswrapper? which chipset? |
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| 18:40.35 | simonrvn | and why aren't you using xargs ? ;) |
| 18:40.54 | pheeror | It's written in python, and I need to update it for etch |
| 18:41.23 | pheeror | i've tried alien but it doesn't safe dependencies :( |
| 18:41.33 | yigal | simonrvn: your right i should |
| 18:41.33 | xingu | xargs needs a --max-delay-timeout-between-args for --max-args |
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| 18:41.36 | simonrvn | pheeror: unpack it, set up DEBIAN/ dir mv the postinst etc. to that, make your changes, repack it |
| 18:41.43 | h3sp4wn | roxy_: Its a git tree (containg the libertas) driver |
| 18:41.45 | roxy_ | wAndyw78: I tried ndiswrapper but windows driver is 32 bits and I am on amd64. |
| 18:41.49 | caytchen | lordrich, well, there is a libcurl3-dev package, but it depends on libcurl3-openssl-dev. that again gives me: (poorly translated from deDE) libcurl3-openssl-dev: depends on: libcurl3 (= 7.15.5-1etch1) but 7.16.4-2 is ought to be installed. |
| 18:42.09 | pheeror | simonrvn: sounds good, it's a ... ar package ? |
| 18:42.10 | XtypeWriter74 | hi. I have a machine with a ATI Mach64 VT Graphiccard. When i do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, i am given an option to set Memory from my system to the card. I was wondering what benifits i have by doning so? |
| 18:42.17 | yigal | simonrvn: ty, as always |
| 18:42.24 | simonrvn | "is to be installed" is the english otherwise it's good |
| 18:42.28 | simonrvn | yigal: np |
| 18:42.36 | roxy_ | wAndyw78: my problem is same as jpasini here: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-53822.html |
| 18:42.40 | simonrvn | pheeror: dpkg -x file.deb somedir |
| 18:42.58 | xingu | simonrvn: xargs can lead to some pretty craputastic access patterns for --max-args > 1; you can wind up paying for many more full stroke seeks than you otherwise would |
| 18:42.59 | simonrvn | pheeror: then unpack the control.tar.gz with ar and tar |
| 18:43.19 | simonrvn | xingu: :/ |
| 18:43.31 | pheeror | simonrvn: thanks, and what is comp for dpkg -x ? |
| 18:43.40 | simonrvn | 'comp'? |
| 18:43.45 | pheeror | complementary |
| 18:43.51 | pheeror | like ~ in c++ |
| 18:43.53 | abrotman | there's a repack |
| 18:44.05 | abrotman | or learn how to build a package |
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| 18:44.29 | simonrvn | man dpkg; man dpkg-deb ;) |
| 18:44.32 | pheeror | abrotman: i just need to now how to make from 'somedir' back file.deb |
| 18:44.32 | Deimos__ | hm, an idea about this error =\ ? # mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 | mount: block device /dev/fd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only | mount: /dev/fd0: can't read superblock |
| 18:44.36 | pheeror | hahaha |
| 18:44.49 | wAndyw78 | roxy: Again, which chipset? You are sure, that you have to use ndiswrapper? 2.6.21 has support for several broadcom chipsets... |
| 18:45.00 | h3sp4wn | wAndyw78: He is using marvell |
| 18:45.08 | pheeror | Why don't you want help me? |
| 18:45.13 | simonrvn | i did |
| 18:45.17 | h3sp4wn | and the driver is in -mm / wireless-git |
| 18:45.24 | pheeror | yeah, but you can just say 'dpkg -y' is complementary for it |
| 18:45.29 | pheeror | and you don |
| 18:45.44 | pheeror | is your penis _that_ small ? |
| 18:45.47 | simonrvn | i'm not going to do the work for you. i didn't say 'dpkg -y' |
| 18:46.04 | simonrvn | sure resort to name calling. *plonk* |
| 18:46.17 | roxy_ | wAndyw78: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless (rev 03) |
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| 18:47.25 | roxy_ | h3sp4wn: you mean a branch of the linux kernel tree ? |
| 18:47.26 | pheeror | just think about it |
| 18:47.32 | h3sp4wn | roxy_: yes |
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| 18:47.41 | TomJ | why does debian have iceweasel not the normal firefox? |
| 18:47.49 | beoba | hi, im getting segmentation faults when i run " |
| 18:47.49 | h3sp4wn | !why iceweasel |
| 18:47.50 | dpkg | Why iceweasel? Debian cannot comply with the conditions necessary to distribute firefox and call it firefox, so we have changed the name to iceweasel. See http://bugs.debian.org/354622 for more information. |
| 18:47.53 | beoba | er, "apt-get upgrade": |
| 18:47.54 | beoba | # apt-get upgrade |
| 18:47.54 | beoba | Segmentation faultsts... 98% |
| 18:48.03 | beoba | any recommendations on debugging this? |
| 18:48.11 | caytchen | check your RAM |
| 18:48.21 | RichiH | hmm |
| 18:48.23 | beoba | # uname -a |
| 18:48.23 | TomJ | ok thanks |
| 18:48.23 | beoba | Linux nickrack 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Wed May 9 23:03:12 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:48.40 | TomJ | I tried installing the normal firefox but it failed with 'unable to find libstdc++.5' - I checked and I have .6.. is that a known issue? |
| 18:49.19 | beoba | caytchen: is there a good way of doing that while the system is booted up? |
| 18:49.29 | caytchen | nope :o |
| 18:49.38 | beoba | i don't have a cdrom in that particular machine at the moment, so booting off a memcheck cd wouldnt work too well |
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| 18:50.14 | wAndyw78 | Tomj: iceweasel IS firefox.... only the name and logo differs |
| 18:50.25 | roxy_ | h3sp4wn: do you have a link on how to download,build install part of tree ? |
| 18:51.04 | TomJ | wAndyw78: but what about when a new firefox udpate comes out, do I need to wait for an iceweasel version? |
| 18:51.16 | abrotman | TomJ: yes |
| 18:51.19 | pheeror | simonrvn: it's not dpkg -x, but 'ar x' ... thanks anyway |
| 18:51.44 | h3sp4wn | roxy_: No |
| 18:51.58 | TomJ | In any case, the normal firefox binary download should run, shouldnt it? What should I do about it not finding libstdc++.5.so ? do I need to compile my own or can I just link libstdcc++.5 to libstdc++.6 ? |
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| 18:52.36 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: he does if he wants to stay with iceweasel |
| 18:52.50 | mesof | how do i change the font's used by gtk applications such as firefox, and not the font's within the page, but the fonts int he menus, etc? |
| 18:53.00 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: what do you mean |
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| 18:53.26 | roxy_ | h3sp4wn: I should: 1 install git (I suppose it is like subversion) 2 download the tree 3 cd into the wireless part 4 make 5 install ? |
| 18:53.29 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: if we have iceweasel 2.0.0.3 and FF releases 2.0.0.4 that fixes security issues .. he has to wait for debian |
| 18:53.32 | simonrvn | mesof: switch2 binary in gtk-theme-switch or gnome's theme thingy |
| 18:53.32 | Braindead | mesof: get a gtk-2 theme or write your own .gtkrc-2.0 |
| 18:54.05 | h3sp4wn | roxy_: You have to config it and install it (same was as you would for any kernel) |
| 18:54.05 | roxy_ | abrotman: the No was adressed to me not to TomJ |
| 18:54.07 | simonrvn | i usually combine my own gtkrc-2.0 and one of the above |
| 18:54.13 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: whoops .. sorry :) |
| 18:54.25 | abrotman | TomJ: /msg dpkg search |
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| 18:54.43 | roxy_ | h3sp4wn: thanks for your help, It sounds like a good learning experience :-) |
| 18:54.44 | TomJ | abrotman: what am I seraching for? |
| 18:54.53 | abrotman | libstdc++.so.5 |
| 18:55.01 | TomJ | ah I can install it additionally? |
| 18:55.04 | abrotman | !find libstdc++.so.5 etch |
| 18:55.05 | mesof | Braindead: what you describe is what I'm trying to accomplish. |
| 18:55.12 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++.so.5' returned no results. |
| 18:55.12 | mesof | Braindead: can no theme be used? |
| 18:55.22 | abrotman | TomJ: if it's available .. yes |
| 18:55.30 | abrotman | !find libstdc++.so etch |
| 18:55.37 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++.so' returned no results. |
| 18:55.49 | TomJ | I'll have a look |
| 18:55.49 | TomJ | thanks |
| 18:56.33 | mesof | Braindead: ? |
| 18:56.51 | h3sp4wn | !info libstdc++5 |
| 18:56.54 | dpkg | libstdc++5: (The GNU Standard C++ Library v3), section libs, is optional. Version: 1:3.3.6-15 (sid), Packaged size: 289 kB, Installed size: 852 kB |
| 18:57.01 | abrotman | but in etch |
| 18:57.06 | abrotman | should be the same name though |
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| 18:58.23 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
| 18:58.37 | TomJ | yeah I did apt-get install libstdc++5 and it's running it now |
| 18:58.47 | TomJ | it also apparently installs gcc-3.3 as well |
| 18:59.02 | h3sp4wn | gcc-3.3-base ? |
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| 19:01.58 | xingu | roxy_: just out of curiosity is that a usb adapter? |
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| 19:06.57 | Rabies | hi |
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| 19:07.26 | Rabies | when doing grep -ri text folder, how can I search files that include several text clips? |
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| 19:07.40 | Rabies | for example when searching access logs for multiple timestamps |
| 19:08.14 | Rabies | grep -ri "text1","text2" folder ? |
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| 19:09.26 | roxy_ | xingu: no, pci |
| 19:10.22 | Rabies | anyone? :> |
| 19:10.36 | Rabies | how to put multiple search bits |
| 19:10.41 | zamuro | !anyone |
| 19:10.41 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 19:10.51 | wAndyw78 | Rabies: can't figure out the problem |
| 19:11.01 | dondelelcaro | Rabies: you use -e |
| 19:11.16 | dondelelcaro | Rabies: man grep; for details. |
| 19:11.48 | Rabies | grep -rie? |
| 19:12.16 | dondelelcaro | Rabies: have you read man grep; specifically the -e option yet? |
| 19:12.20 | Rabies | i have |
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| 19:12.34 | Rabies | i mean that i want to find 2 timestamps which locate in the same access.log |
| 19:12.37 | dondelelcaro | Rabies: then why are you asking me how to use it? |
| 19:12.37 | JordiGH | A console-only chat client? |
| 19:12.40 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: irssi |
| 19:12.53 | Rabies | when i put them individually, I get several access.logs, i want to make the scale smaller |
| 19:13.07 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Sorry, I mean, for AIM and MSN and Jabber and stuff... |
| 19:14.24 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: irssi+bitlbee |
| 19:14.36 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Thankee. |
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| 19:15.03 | Rabies | dondelelcaro: the man doesnt say anything how to operate the command so that it would try to find the pattern of those 2 timestamps |
| 19:15.27 | dondelelcaro | Rabies: so you use -e multiple times. |
| 19:16.05 | Rabies | grep -ri -e timestamp2 -e timestamp1 folder? |
| 19:16.09 | dondelelcaro | clearly |
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| 19:17.20 | Rabies | hmm |
| 19:17.25 | Rabies | but i think it gets them both |
| 19:17.36 | Rabies | i need to find only those access.logs where are the both timestamps |
| 19:17.40 | dondelelcaro | if you want the intersection, then use grep twice. |
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| 19:17.54 | Rabies | that did the same thing |
| 19:18.00 | Rabies | grep -ri... | grep -ri... |
| 19:18.08 | dondelelcaro | Rabies: what does -r do? |
| 19:18.13 | Rabies | it showed all the access.logs where were one of the 2 timestamps |
| 19:18.20 | dondelelcaro | Rabies: again, what does -r do? |
| 19:18.29 | Rabies | for me, it seems to do the same |
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| 19:18.50 | h3sp4wn | -r is recursive |
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| 19:19.05 | dondelelcaro | Rabies: I'm not asking what it seems to do. I'm asking you to tell me what the -r option to grep does. |
| 19:19.15 | Rabies | oh, recursive |
| 19:19.18 | dondelelcaro | Rabies: what does that mean? |
| 19:19.19 | Rabies | of course |
| 19:19.23 | ichiban` | ? |
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| 19:19.34 | Rabies | it searches also from the subfolders? |
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| 19:19.52 | dondelelcaro | Rabies: and why does it make no sense to have -r on the second command? |
| 19:20.09 | Rabies | there are no subfolders so it shouldnt matter |
| 19:20.37 | dondelelcaro | Rabies: no. It's because you're telling it to search recursively *instead* of parsing stdin. |
| 19:20.56 | Rabies | ok, lemme try with | again |
| 19:21.31 | xand | what do I need to install to add a windows shared printer to cups? |
| 19:21.41 | wAndyw78 | smb-common |
| 19:21.49 | wAndyw78 | ? |
| 19:21.49 | hajhouse | how can one query the list of all packages that aptitude has on hold? |
| 19:22.11 | Rabies | weird, it seems to find none |
| 19:22.23 | xand | I have samba installed too |
| 19:22.28 | xand | maybe I need to restart cups |
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| 19:22.48 | dondelelcaro | hajhouse: aptitude search '~ahold'; Read the aptitude manual; specifically the search patterns section. |
| 19:22.50 | wAndyw78 | hm, worked for me yesterday: Windows XP Pronter ahred and debian lenny... |
| 19:23.03 | Rabies | damn |
| 19:23.26 | Rabies | i have seqmentation errors in apaches error.log and im panicing if its an attack |
| 19:23.26 | wAndyw78 | Rabies: You could also try grep "pattern1" `grep -l "pattern2" *` |
| 19:23.28 | hajhouse | dondelelcaro: thanks, will do |
| 19:23.33 | xand | hmm... restarted cupsys but it still doesnt offer windows/samba as printer type |
| 19:24.15 | Rabies | wAndyw78: is the * the folder where to look from? |
| 19:24.20 | wAndyw78 | xand: I had to add the windows printer shre manually |
| 19:24.51 | wAndyw78 | Rabies: * means all files in the current directory... |
| 19:24.52 | xand | wAndyw78: how? what Device: did you choose? |
| 19:25.22 | xand | wAndyw78: ah, needed smbclient |
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| 19:26.21 | Thumann | hi, a decent ftp server? |
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| 19:26.47 | abrotman | Thumann: vsftpd or proftpd |
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| 19:27.19 | Thumann | abrotman: any of them have "own" user databases? instead of *nix users |
| 19:27.31 | abrotman | i think they both can |
| 19:27.41 | Rabies | wAndyw78: that actually seems to be working |
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| 19:27.52 | Rabies | how can I search for 3 different patterns? |
| 19:27.56 | Thumann | abrotman: cheers |
| 19:27.58 | abrotman | Thumann: they each have their own channels if you want to find out more |
| 19:27.58 | Rabies | just multiply the last pattern section? |
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| 19:28.33 | abrotman | pine |
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| 19:28.49 | spx2 | how can i put my laptop on standby in linux ? |
| 19:29.00 | blah1231 | su |
| 19:29.08 | blah1231 | or powersave -u i think ? |
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| 19:29.12 | blah1231 | try powersave -u |
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| 19:29.35 | spx2 | blah1231: lemme try |
| 19:29.38 | hajhouse | spx2: if you are using gnome or kde, there are control panels to configure powersaving modes for laptops |
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| 19:30.33 | spx2 | hajhouse: i had big trouble with this in the past |
| 19:30.44 | spx2 | hajhouse: i hope i'll solve it with powersave now |
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| 19:31.39 | abrotman | i'd prefer my laptop stop going to sleep darn it |
| 19:31.56 | dbmoodb | YEAH BETTER IT THAN ME =-so about the caps .. accident |
| 19:32.03 | hajhouse | spx2: some laptops are poorly supported. :( by standby, do you mean to spin down the disk and dim the screen etc, or do you want to hibernate? |
| 19:32.28 | TomJ | I'm a bit confused as to the right procedure for making my own kernel.. I have build essentials, then in the synaptic package manager I chose the linux kernel sources and headers. but now in /usr/src I just have a .tar.bz2 file called linux-sources-2.6.18. I extracted that, but when I tried to run make xconfig in the dir, it failed, so I'm not sure if I'm doing this the right way |
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| 19:32.40 | abrotman | TomJ: why are you making your own kernel ? |
| 19:33.02 | TomJ | because I need to ensure I have a bunch of drivers and options that I need |
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| 19:33.12 | Braindead | TomJ: that's not an anser |
| 19:33.15 | Braindead | answer |
| 19:33.46 | foo | netstat -nap shows about 800 TIME_WAIT connections on port 3306 between web servers and mysql master and the mysql slave. Any ideas what this means? I've lowered the wait_timeout and interactive_timeout to 60 ... so I don't think it's a matter of connections waiting to timeout. |
| 19:33.47 | abrotman | TomJ: what makes you think they aren't there .. |
| 19:33.53 | Braindead | just look at /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 19:34.29 | spx2 | it seems to have worked |
| 19:34.33 | TomJ | Well, I need Intel Speedstep enhanced with default mode set to performance, Intel audio, the Dell laptop module, prism54 wireless drivers and ipw3945 support (that's an extra package). maybe they're there already, but I'll know the moment I launch xconfig, wont I? what's the problem with biulding my own kernel? |
| 19:34.40 | spx2 | powersave -U rules |
| 19:34.41 | spx2 | :) |
| 19:34.47 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 19:34.47 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
| 19:35.01 | foo | netstat -nap shows about 800 TIME_WAIT connections on port 3306 between web servers and mysql master and the mysql slave. Any ideas what this means? I've lowered the wait_timeout and interactive_timeout to 60 ... so I don't think it's a matter of connections waiting to timeout. |
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| 19:35.25 | foo | err, whoops |
| 19:35.33 | abrotman | TomJ: apparently you don't know how |
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| 19:36.11 | Braindead | and above all "you don't need to" |
| 19:36.23 | jelly-home | TomJ: fwiw, speedstep, intel-hda are in etch default kernel, that dell acpi thing probably too. |
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| 19:36.56 | abrotman | TomJ: the correct place to start is to look through /boot/config-`uname -r` and see if what you need is there or not |
| 19:37.17 | abrotman | or as above with the ipw3945, ask google or us |
| 19:37.24 | abrotman | or packages.debian.org |
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| 19:37.32 | jelly-home | there are plenty reasons to run a more fresh kernel than what is in etch, esp. on laptops (battery life) |
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| 19:37.56 | abrotman | yeah .. like newer kernels/acpi lock up X on me! :) |
| 19:37.57 | TomJ | I've googled and the xconfig problem I am having is to do with a qt library issue, I guess because I'm running this in KDE. I'll sort that out and then I expect it will work fine. thanks for hte ipw3945 link. |
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| 19:38.41 | TomJ | the thing that threw me was that after installing the kernel sources, it didnt extract them for me, that made me think something might have gone wrong. I think it'll be fine once Iv'e sorted this qt issue |
| 19:38.48 | TomJ | or yeah I could just use that |
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| 19:38.51 | TomJ | just find xconfig easier. |
| 19:39.11 | jelly-home | isn't there a gtk based config too? |
| 19:39.12 | dbmoodb | !public key |
| 19:39.12 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 19:39.20 | snowbird | was ther recent up date for stable |
| 19:39.40 | jelly-home | snowbird: what? |
| 19:39.49 | snowbird | etch updates |
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| 19:39.58 | kanzure | "Kernel panic - not syncing. Fatal exception in interrupt. Bug: warning arch/i386/kernel/smp.c:547/smp_call_function()". Any thoughts? |
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| 19:40.14 | jelly-home | snowbird: updates for which packages? |
| 19:40.19 | abrotman | jelly-home: gconfig |
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| 19:40.33 | snowbird | for apt- get update |
| 19:40.40 | dbmoodb | oi showbird did you like taxi ? |
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| 19:40.48 | snowbird | yeah |
| 19:41.01 | dbmoodb | there are another 3 in the series lol |
| 19:41.30 | snowbird | il find wm my nose stuck in manual or router |
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| 19:41.41 | stumbler | hello |
| 19:41.46 | stumbler | where are the php dynamic extensions like extension=gd.so files on debian ? |
| 19:42.06 | abrotman | stumbler: likely /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
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| 19:42.12 | abrotman | depending on version of php and apache |
| 19:42.39 | stumbler | no man |
| 19:42.44 | stumbler | there was a whole folder |
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| 19:43.03 | stumbler | containing files each with a single line like "extension=gd.so " |
| 19:43.14 | snowbird | think dlink wbr-2310 wil end up here |
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| 19:43.49 | TomJ | I think the problem is just that I didnt have qt-dev or gnome-dev installed. I'm adding those now |
| 19:43.50 | jelly-home | stumbler: /etc/php5/conf.d/ ? |
| 19:44.07 | Braindead | TomJ: while you're at it install some clue |
| 19:44.13 | TomJ | lol, k |
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| 19:44.32 | dbmoodb | oh btw im' black123131 or what ever my nick was |
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| 19:44.44 | dbmoodb | dbmoodb is my official name which i should have used from the start |
| 19:46.05 | pingouin_ | is : bc a command ? |
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| 19:46.42 | dbmoodb | bc |
| 19:46.44 | dbmoodb | nope |
| 19:46.51 | jelly-home | dbmoodb: ?! |
| 19:46.55 | dbmoodb | i tried it |
| 19:47.08 | jelly-home | !penixstrike dbmoodb |
| 19:47.08 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking dbmoodb to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 19:47.19 | pingouin_ | ooh ooh i got it, it a package |
| 19:47.20 | dbmoodb | ooo what does that mean ? |
| 19:47.33 | pingouin_ | i got a script that claim for bc: command not found |
| 19:47.35 | jelly-home | pingouin: yes, it's a common unix command-line calculator |
| 19:47.56 | pingouin_ | nice, thanks jelly-home , i'm apt-geting it |
| 19:48.12 | jelly-home | dbmoodb: it means, loosely translated, "don't impose your ignorance on other users" |
| 19:48.19 | dbmoodb | i wasn't |
| 19:48.25 | jelly-home | you were. |
| 19:48.25 | dbmoodb | i was having a bit of fun actually |
| 19:48.46 | stumbler | what do I need to enable GD library in php ? |
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| 19:49.01 | stumbler | jelly-home: thanks |
| 19:49.03 | jelly-home | dbmoodb: it's about as much fun as suggesting someone to rm -rf / |
| 19:49.03 | stumbler | but |
| 19:49.05 | stumbler | what do I need to enable GD library in php ? |
| 19:49.09 | snowbird | dbmoodb i wish i could add prople to buddy list rathter than paper |
| 19:50.58 | dbmoodb | i don't get it snowbird |
| 19:51.13 | snowbird | get waht |
| 19:51.19 | dbmoodb | Jelly i will that one day just to see if it still works |
| 19:51.25 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.33 | dbmoodb | ok sure |
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| 19:51.39 | dbmoodb | it's called /USER |
| 19:51.40 | dbmoodb | no ? |
| 19:51.53 | snowbird | maybe and how u make it |
| 19:52.26 | dbmoodb | let me try |
| 19:52.29 | dbmoodb | /snowbird |
| 19:52.31 | dbmoodb | ops |
| 19:52.41 | dbmoodb | now ? |
| 19:52.48 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.59 | abrotman | wtf |
| 19:53.01 | dbmoodb | you can find and talk to people without being in a channel no ? |
| 19:53.16 | snowbird | nopw |
| 19:53.38 | jelly-home | snowbird, dbmoodb: could you two do it in private, please? |
| 19:53.39 | snowbird | have to be here find note bad and see who is on my list |
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| 19:53.54 | snowbird | ok |
| 19:53.56 | abrotman | dbmoodb: i wouldn't waste your time with snowbird |
| 19:54.02 | dbmoodb | snowbird is ok |
| 19:54.10 | dbmoodb | i'm giving him culture |
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| 19:54.28 | jelly-home | stumbler: if you're having problems enabling a php extension, read /usr/share/doc/php5/README.Debian.gz |
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| 19:54.57 | snowbird | dbmoodb pm me |
| 19:55.04 | dbmoodb | no you pm me |
| 19:55.10 | snowbird | i did |
| 19:55.14 | jelly-home | ... |
| 19:55.15 | snowbird | u not answer |
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| 19:55.36 | xand | neither of you will be PMing without identifying first |
| 19:55.38 | dbmoodb | oh i get it i'm not registered |
| 19:55.46 | snowbird | ahh |
| 19:56.38 | dbmoodb | wait i am registered arn't i ? |
| 19:56.46 | snowbird | lol |
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| 19:57.21 | jelly-home | dbmoodb: your whois would tell something like --- [jelly-home] is identified to services if you were |
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| 19:58.16 | snowbird | it my end maybe ill re start |
| 19:58.27 | dbmoodb | i see i'm id now right ? |
| 19:58.43 | dbmoodb | yaya i win |
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| 19:59.20 | dbmoodb | got to sleep now it's 6 am |
| 19:59.36 | dbmoodb | need be up at many hours latter but not enough for real seepy |
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| 20:01.03 | abrotman | it's like two cars driving around a race track at night without headlights ... |
| 20:01.27 | xingu | in opposite directions while talking to each other on their cellular phones. |
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| 20:04.05 | roxy_ | ndiswrapper could load the module and ndiswrapper -l shows it but it doesn't find the device. Where could be the pb ? |
| 20:04.17 | roxy_ | s/module/driver |
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| 20:12.57 | xand | o.o |
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| 20:16.03 | fefo | hi there |
| 20:16.09 | fefo | http://irc.gjh.sk/pastebin/301 |
| 20:16.38 | fefo | while i was using aptitude i unfortunately killed aptitude process |
| 20:16.48 | fefo | and now i can't install anything |
| 20:16.55 | fefo | how can I unlock that files ? |
| 20:16.59 | fefo | fix that problem ? |
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| 20:19.34 | Gnu_Raiz | anyone know why if you don't have a /etc/network/interfaces lines you can not ifconfig up a network card. |
| 20:19.55 | zinx | mu |
| 20:20.01 | zinx | you can ifconfig it, you can't ifup it |
| 20:20.09 | lordrich | fefo: to find the process using the file try fuser -v /var/cahce/debconf/config.dat |
| 20:20.28 | lordrich | fefo: or lsof /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 20:20.31 | zinx | (you can't ifup it because ifup requires that configuration file.) |
| 20:20.35 | Gnu_Raiz | I wasted 3 hours on it today because I did not have a iface line in my file. |
| 20:20.49 | various | fefo, try dpkg --configure-a |
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| 20:21.43 | zicho | how can i check what specs my processor have? |
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| 20:21.47 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 20:21.54 | peterS | errrr |
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| 20:22.21 | Gnu_Raiz | I also noticed that the other day, changing from wpask keys to wep due to a 802.11b card on the network not being able t use wpa. |
| 20:22.26 | zicho | check how many mhz it has, in other words |
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| 20:22.32 | peterS | zicho: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:23.00 | zicho | peterS: thx |
| 20:24.09 | Gnu_Raiz | I had it in the interfaces file, but iwconfig would not complain, but I still could not get on the net. |
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| 20:24.43 | fefo | sorry boys |
| 20:24.45 | fefo | various: |
| 20:24.46 | fefo | /var/cache/debconf/config.dat: root 8875 f.... dpkg-preconfigu |
| 20:24.51 | fefo | thats what i get |
| 20:24.57 | fefo | whitout errors .. |
| 20:25.06 | fefo | i can paste it into pastebin.. |
| 20:25.18 | various | fefo, are you root when you type that? |
| 20:25.21 | snowbird | dbmoodb |
| 20:25.26 | streuner | !beer peterS |
| 20:26.12 | fefo | various: yes of course |
| 20:26.15 | fefo | http://irc.gjh.sk/pastebin/302 |
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| 20:27.14 | kBandeira | alguem sabe o que é nf_conntrack table full |
| 20:27.46 | streuner | !br |
| 20:27.46 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 20:28.00 | lordrich | fefo: so process id 8875 is what has the file open |
| 20:28.01 | kBandeira | ok |
| 20:28.03 | kBandeira | thanks |
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| 20:28.51 | various | fefo, dpkg --configure -a |
| 20:28.57 | various | i missed a space the first time |
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| 20:29.52 | fefo | various: and i forgot to run it ;) |
| 20:29.53 | fefo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.53 | fefo | /var/cache/debconf/config.dat: |
| 20:29.53 | fefo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:30.08 | fefo | after that dpkg --configure |
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| 20:30.24 | fefo | without errors |
| 20:30.33 | fefo | various: now i can use aptitude ? |
| 20:30.37 | fefo | or apt-get install ? |
| 20:30.45 | fefo | or i must finish that job |
| 20:30.46 | various | was aptitude closed when you ran that command or open? |
| 20:30.58 | fefo | closed |
| 20:31.02 | various | ok good |
| 20:31.10 | fefo | can i interrupt that job ? |
| 20:31.14 | john_titor | how can i see my windows partition... it sends me an error mesage |
| 20:31.17 | various | fefo, try to use apt-get or aptitude now..whichever |
| 20:31.18 | fefo | i have no intention to finish it |
| 20:31.36 | fefo | on finishing it |
| 20:31.47 | xand | of |
| 20:31.52 | fefo | shit ;) |
| 20:32.13 | fefo | but 50% :) |
| 20:32.20 | fefo | it's good perspective |
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| 20:33.07 | various | fefo, you should let it finish |
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| 20:33.28 | fefo | various: that same error |
| 20:33.48 | various | paste it |
| 20:33.52 | various | in pastebin |
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| 20:34.06 | keith4 | does 64 bit PCI == PCI-X? |
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| 20:34.16 | fefo | debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
| 20:34.21 | fefo | this is the point.. |
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| 20:34.26 | fefo | that config.dat is locked |
| 20:34.33 | abrotman | !enter |
| 20:34.33 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 20:34.58 | various | fefo, then you must must have aptitude open or another apt process running |
| 20:35.06 | edju | Is NFS the most efficient way to share files over a LAN? Seems I'd have to install a server and client on each machine. |
| 20:35.45 | various | fefo, maybe you should just restart and then run that command right after the restart |
| 20:35.46 | fefo | various: http://irc.gjh.sk/pastebin/303 |
| 20:35.51 | anAngel | Hello i have this kind of a problem with mysql 5: http://pastebin.ca/656065 Could someone help me pls |
| 20:35.54 | abrotman | edju: or samba |
| 20:35.57 | abrotman | edju: or shfs :) |
| 20:36.02 | fefo | thats what i get after apt-get install websvn |
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| 20:36.14 | abrotman | anAngel: ask #mysql |
| 20:36.23 | edju | abrotman, Samba's for windoze machines, no? |
| 20:36.31 | abrotman | edju: you can do it with linux too |
| 20:37.03 | edju | abrotman, Same client-server stuff as NFS? |
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| 20:37.19 | xand | dont use samba between linux machines if you can help it |
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| 20:37.20 | fefo | various: i have found something interesting: |
| 20:37.26 | kingsley | Does any grub command need to be issued after adding a kernel boot option to /boot/grub/menu.lst for the change to take effect? |
| 20:37.28 | various | fefo, there seems to be another process using the apt-get database...like aptitutde or something else, if you don't know what it is, restart your computer and run the command again |
| 20:37.32 | xand | edju: if you have control of the network and machines, nfs is ok |
| 20:37.39 | mith | kingsley: no |
| 20:37.45 | mith | kingsley: it reads that file when it boots |
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| 20:37.49 | fefo | various: http://irc.gjh.sk/pastebin/304 |
| 20:38.11 | fefo | various: should i kill that processes ? |
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| 20:38.58 | various | fefo, yes, but i would restart to just be sure |
| 20:38.59 | edju | xand, So, a client and server on each machine, then. |
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| 20:40.05 | edju | Seems overkill, but so be it, I guess. |
| 20:40.31 | xand | edju: sharing two way? |
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| 20:40.43 | edju | xand, Yes. |
| 20:41.05 | xand | really all depends on usage |
| 20:41.13 | xand | on what the best solution is |
| 20:41.21 | xand | s/on // |
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| 20:41.52 | john_titor | how can install the xlibs |
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| 20:43.01 | john_titor | apt-get xlibs |
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| 20:43.19 | edju | xand, No, wait - I need to rw files on machine2 from machine1, so server on 2, client on 1- correct? |
| 20:43.19 | john_titor | hoho i supose to write that on the terminal |
| 20:43.27 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 20:43.27 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 20:43.37 | xand | edju: uhuh |
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| 20:43.55 | frojnd | hello |
| 20:44.05 | fefo | various: .. |
| 20:44.09 | fefo | i killed it |
| 20:44.11 | frojnd | what's the command to shutdown or restart the system |
| 20:44.15 | snowbird | themill thanks for that agent trick |
| 20:44.17 | fefo | but there was other packages confilicted |
| 20:44.23 | xand | frojnd: "shudown", "reboot" |
| 20:44.24 | fefo | so i must hold them |
| 20:44.32 | fefo | and now is everything ok |
| 20:44.32 | various | frojnd, shutdown -r now |
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| 20:44.39 | fefo | various: thanks ;) |
| 20:44.45 | various | fefo, it worked? |
| 20:44.52 | edju | xand, uhhuh? Is that yes or no? :) |
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| 20:45.07 | xand | edju: uhuh means yes :) |
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| 20:45.33 | edju | xand, OK, Thanks - here I go then into unknown territory yet again! |
| 20:45.37 | fefo | various: killing processes -> help packages -> finish websvn (first B package) -> uninstall websvn -> install enscript ;) |
| 20:45.43 | fefo | yes it is ok now |
| 20:45.44 | fefo | ;) |
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| 20:46.53 | various | fefo, ok good :) |
| 20:47.29 | novato | buenas |
| 20:47.29 | novato | una consulta |
| 20:47.29 | fefo | novato: english |
| 20:47.29 | novato | donde le digo que la tarjeta de red no lebante en dhcp |
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| 20:47.29 | novato | sorry |
| 20:47.29 | fefo | ;) |
| 20:47.29 | fefo | np |
| 20:47.39 | fefo | something with dhcp ;) |
| 20:47.47 | novato | yes |
| 20:47.50 | novato | sorry |
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| 20:47.56 | novato | bye |
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| 20:48.20 | fefo | lol |
| 20:48.22 | fefo | ;) |
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| 20:53.35 | g-Lukemob | y0 |
| 20:53.43 | g-Lukemob | how do I see unmounted hdd's? |
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| 20:54.09 | FreekNL | Hi all, there is an unknown process listening on port 33137 on one of my systems, but I cannot figure out which program has opened this socket - how could I tell? (netstat -tunap lists "-" as programm name..) |
| 20:54.46 | abrotman | fuser -n tcp 33137 |
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| 20:55.24 | abrotman | that will give you a process ID .. assuming all your binaries haven't been tampered with |
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| 20:55.35 | g-Lukemob | y0 abrotman, any idea man? |
| 20:55.38 | bolt | Can someone help me with automount? Every once in a while, I get two lines like this in my logs: "automount[17850]: failed to mount /home/bolt/mount/.hidden". I used to mount something on .hidden/ like a year ago, but I've reconfigured everything, updated the kernel and a lot of other things since that. I have no idea what causes those lines. I have two automounts atm. and both are in /mnt. "grep -r "hidden" /etc/*" returns nothing that has anythin |
| 20:55.38 | bolt | g to do with automount. Can someone give me a clue? |
| 20:55.45 | abrotman | g-Lukemob: y0 ? |
| 20:55.50 | abrotman | what the hell is "y0" ? |
| 20:56.00 | g-Lukemob | y0 = yo = hi |
| 20:56.00 | g-Lukemob | xD |
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| 20:56.38 | jonathan1 | hey debian users, has anyone gotten the sigmatel stac9228 working in lenny? |
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| 20:56.45 | jonathan1 | it is an audio codec |
| 20:56.57 | FreekNL | abrotman: pfff... maybe they have (no result on the fuser command) |
| 20:57.35 | abrotman | FreekNL: is it tcp or udp ? |
| 20:57.50 | abrotman | g-Lukemob: maybe cat /proc/partitions ? |
| 20:58.05 | abrotman | fdisk -l /dev/<blah> |
| 20:58.40 | FreekNL | tcp |
| 20:58.42 | jonathan1 | can anyone help with my no sound problem in linux? |
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| 20:59.02 | abrotman | FreekNL: and it's still there ? |
| 20:59.04 | g-Lukemob | abrotman thx m8 |
| 20:59.14 | abrotman | !tell g-Lukemob about english |
| 20:59.18 | FreekNL | server:~# netstat -tunap | grep 33137 |
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| 20:59.19 | FreekNL | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:33137 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 20:59.24 | abrotman | FreekNL: can you telnet to it ? |
| 20:59.27 | streuner | jonathan1: search at groups.google.com your soundcard is supported by ALSA or not |
| 20:59.33 | bolt | jonathan1: you should like you shoild be using etch... |
| 20:59.46 | FreekNL | abrotman: yes I can |
| 20:59.48 | jonathan1 | no i needed lenny for the xorg packages |
| 20:59.50 | jonathan1 | thanks though |
| 20:59.56 | abrotman | FreekNL: and does it respond ? |
| 21:00.05 | bolt | backports |
| 21:00.12 | FreekNL | Connected to localhost. |
| 21:00.12 | FreekNL | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 21:00.20 | abrotman | does it say anything useful ? |
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| 21:01.10 | streuner | jonathan1: soundcards aren't that expensive, if its not supported just get another one |
| 21:01.10 | abrotman | FreekNL: you might want to install debsums, take the machine off the internet, and then run debsums |
| 21:01.25 | abrotman | it's a codec .. not a sound card |
| 21:01.36 | abrotman | well .. he said anyways |
| 21:01.55 | FreekNL | abrotman: not realy, only that I am connected. btw, nmap -sV -v -p 33137 127.0.0.1 gives me this "33137/tcp open nlockmgr 1-4 (rpc #100021)" but thats a bit odd, now isn't it? |
| 21:02.20 | abrotman | FreekNL: is portmap installed on the box ? |
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| 21:02.47 | bolt | Can someone help me with automount? Every once in a while, I get two lines like this in my logs: "automount[17850]: failed to mount /home/bolt/mount/.hidden". I used to mount something on .hidden/ like a year ago, but I've reconfigured everything, updated the kernel and a lot of other things since that. I have no idea what causes those lines. I have two automounts atm. and both are in /mnt. "grep -r "hidden" /etc/*" returns nothing related. |
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| 21:03.43 | zenwryly | Are there any good tools out there for automating the setup of passwordless ssh? |
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| 21:04.00 | abrotman | !ssh key |
| 21:04.01 | abrotman | !ssh keys |
| 21:04.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ssh keys is http://www.puddingonline.com/~dave/publications/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/ |
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| 21:04.26 | spx2 | hi |
| 21:04.33 | spx2 | i have a problem with powersave -u http://aycu30.webshots.com/image/25109/2001156683405091784_rs.jpg |
| 21:04.52 | spx2 | i guess powersave -U will use my harddisk |
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| 21:04.57 | spx2 | so i intend to use -u to use ram |
| 21:05.06 | abrotman | spx2: oddly .. ask #suse .. not #debian |
| 21:05.22 | abrotman | argh .. what kind of stupid error message is that |
| 21:05.22 | spx2 | abrotman: why would i do that ? |
| 21:05.31 | spx2 | abrotman: why would i do that ? |
| 21:05.34 | FreekNL | abrotman: yes, the server is an NFS client. I stopped nfs-{common,kernel-server} and portmap, and now it is gone.... |
| 21:05.35 | abrotman | spx2: ignore me .. i read the error .. and it says Suse |
| 21:05.46 | abrotman | FreekNL: yeah .. that's a portmap thing |
| 21:05.49 | spx2 | abrotman: i'm on debian |
| 21:05.50 | zenwryly | abrotman: I'm looking for something like "setup-keys host" that will ask for the password and set it all up :) |
| 21:05.57 | abrotman | spx2: i see that |
| 21:06.05 | zenwryly | abrotman: I have to setup the keyless auth so often byt there are so many steps |
| 21:06.09 | abrotman | spx2: read the error message .. you'll see why i suggested it |
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| 21:06.24 | peterS | zenwryly: it's not _that_ many steps. and if you understand what it is you're doing, it isn't hard to remember them |
| 21:06.32 | spx2 | abrotman: i've already read it. will you now please tell me some useful remarks ? kthx |
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| 21:06.52 | abrotman | spx2: read what the damn error says .. it tells you what to do |
| 21:06.53 | FreekNL | abrotman: why, why, why does portmap pick a "l33t" alike port and does it not respond to "fusers |
| 21:07.06 | FreekNL | abrotman: arg, that scared me, thanks for your time! |
| 21:07.15 | abrotman | FreekNL: it wasn't 'l33t .. it was 33137 :) |
| 21:07.29 | zenwryly | peterS: so is that a "no, there isn't such a thing" or a "you're an idiot for asking for such a thing"? |
| 21:07.31 | zenwryly | :) |
| 21:07.37 | abrotman | spx2: that said .. if your machine doesn't support suspend .. forcing it might be a bad thing |
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| 21:07.49 | FreekNL | abrotman: I know, but is is l33t "alike" enough for me (bit lysdectic) |
| 21:07.54 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 21:08.01 | peterS | zenwryly: perhaps both. I wouldn't put it so strongly though. more "I don't see why such a thing is needed, I do it manually all the time and it doesn't seem hard" |
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| 21:08.48 | zenwryly | peterS: well call me a wacky developer, but I like to automate common tasks to the minimum footprint |
| 21:09.08 | abrotman | we'll call you a lazy developer :) |
| 21:09.19 | guiss | Hi, has anyone tried using dmraid? I have a Proliant ML110G4 and I am still not sure between dmraid and mdraid... any advise? |
| 21:09.44 | peterS | zenwryly: write the script then. it would only be a couple of lines. one invocation of 'ssh-keygen', one invocation of 'ssh $host "cat >> .ssh/authorized_keys" < $key.pub', etc. |
| 21:10.02 | bill_ | zenwryly, ssh-agent ? |
| 21:10.25 | zenwryly | bill_: oh, maybe I've misunderstood ssh-agent, I didn't realize it automated the setup of a new host |
| 21:10.35 | peterS | zenwryly: of course the ssh invocation would use a password or whatever, but after that the key works. oh yeah, third thing to do is to add a couple of lines to your local .ssh/config to have it use the appropriate key for the appropriate host |
| 21:10.47 | zenwryly | yeah |
| 21:11.10 | zenwryly | that's what I'm looking for. Thanks for the answer, I just wanted to see if someone had already done it before I go do it |
| 21:11.27 | peterS | well, I don't know if it's been done. I haven't scripted it and I haven't seen a script. |
| 21:11.37 | zenwryly | right |
| 21:11.41 | peterS | I do it manually a lot, so if you are unsure of some of the specifics, I can help |
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| 21:12.13 | bill_ | just don't make one ssh private key and copy it all around ;) |
| 21:12.42 | abrotman | guess he got suspend to work |
| 21:12.54 | peterS | yeah, IMO the procedure is simple enough that there's no reason to ever share a private key between machines or between users |
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| 21:13.21 | peterS | keeping keys separate on separate machines makes it easy to disable one if a machine is stolen or compromised |
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| 21:13.53 | zenwryly | bill_: don't all the docs only talk about sharing the public key? Just making sure I'm understanding everything |
| 21:14.16 | zenwryly | peterS: thanks for the offer for help, I know where to find the docs |
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| 21:14.31 | peterS | zenwryly: right, he's talking about copying the private key around so multiple client machines share it and you only have to set up one authorized_keys entry on your servers. bad idea. |
| 21:14.36 | irwiss | Is there a way to tell apt-listbugs to not show bugs not related with my arch? |
| 21:14.39 | bill_ | zenwryly, yes, you should only ever move the public key, the private key should only stay where you created it |
| 21:15.06 | streuner | irwiss: dude, you have problems :-) |
| 21:15.07 | bill_ | but some people are evil/stupid |
| 21:15.22 | abrotman | streuner: pot, kettle! |
| 21:15.42 | zenwryly | peterS, bill_: ah, yeah, I actually knew that one. yay! :) |
| 21:15.48 | S4nD3r | Is there any interface to choose which are the services I want to run? |
| 21:15.56 | S4nD3r | Im using etch |
| 21:16.10 | bill_ | it is quite convenient, though ;) |
| 21:16.16 | bill_ | just not so secure |
| 21:16.20 | peterS | S4nD3r: the simple thing is just to uninstall whatever services you don't want. they are debian packages, you can uninstall them like any other |
| 21:16.45 | zenwryly | bill_: well I suppose that's why I;m looking for automation, to remove such temptations |
| 21:16.47 | zenwryly | :0 |
| 21:16.48 | zenwryly | :) |
| 21:16.54 | irwiss | streuner: I figured as much :P But meh, it shows me FTBFS on hppa arch when I'm on i386 |
| 21:16.57 | streuner | irwiss: most bugs are surely about x86 and those which aren't just mentioned there |
| 21:17.04 | bill_ | the other thing to do would be to make a script that generates all of your public/private keys on one host, then move them about |
| 21:17.10 | streuner | just ignore them :-) |
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| 21:18.44 | debiantonio | anything have bugs :( |
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| 21:19.09 | Hoxzer | you should ask anything about that |
| 21:19.12 | S4nD3r | Id like to know if theres an interface |
| 21:19.16 | debiantonio | Debian is not God |
| 21:19.23 | Hoxzer | I dont think anything has bug problem his house was poisoned yesterday |
| 21:20.00 | Hoxzer | I personally have mosquito problem here :/ and I can't sleep propelly |
| 21:20.19 | debiantonio | Detefon nele entaum hahahaha |
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| 21:26.01 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 21:26.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd173 is <stoned> if i had big titties, I wouldn't be on irc | <stoned> i'd be playing with myself |
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| 21:26.55 | g-Lukemob | abrotman, is there any way how to remove X server or what is it when it's already installed? |
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| 21:27.31 | vorpal | hi folks. for emt64, which arch distro should i install? amd64? i386? |
| 21:27.46 | abrotman | remove a dependency .. or next time use aptitude to install |
| 21:27.48 | abrotman | vorpal: up to you |
| 21:27.50 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 21:27.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about ... |
| 21:28.02 | abrotman | vorpal: they both will work |
| 21:28.14 | vorpal | abrotman: thank you |
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| 21:32.26 | mikeones_ | hello |
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| 21:33.20 | mikeones_ | ntpdate fails |
| 21:33.25 | mikeones_ | ntpdate |
| 21:33.25 | mikeones_ | 13 Aug 11:32:32 ntpdate[27528]: no servers can be used, exiting |
| 21:34.33 | Firefishe | I just upgraded my Sarge 3.1/ 2.6.8-2-386 system to Etch 4.0/ 2.6.18-4-686. During the switch from xfree86 to xserver-xorg, I've run into a glitch. My screen keeps blinking on and off and I don't know how to make it stop. |
| 21:34.54 | speaker219 | Hello |
| 21:35.04 | Firefishe | hi speaker |
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| 21:37.29 | AtariPunk | what would people recommend for a wireless usb network adaptor for debian Etch ? |
| 21:37.56 | antgel | !polls |
| 21:37.56 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 21:38.19 | antgel | AtariPunk: if it helps, etch uses linux kernel 2.6.18 |
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| 21:39.00 | antgel | Firefishe: what video card, what driver in xorg.conf? |
| 21:39.04 | snowbird | well i don't use shell but it has kde |
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| 21:39.44 | AtariPunk | actually using Lenny |
| 21:39.46 | AtariPunk | just checked |
| 21:39.55 | Firefishe | antgel: video card is a radeon 8600 w/ 256mb RAM. Let me check the xorg.conf quickly. |
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| 21:44.48 | Firefishe | antgel: Here's a link to my xorg.conf file: http://pastebin.com/m34dd5244 |
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| 21:45.55 | antgel | Firefishe: right driver, but did you mean radeon 9600 above? are you using a DVI cable? can you try again, replacing "ati" with "vesa"? |
| 21:46.23 | antgel | Firefishe: also, compare with your XFree86.conf for reference |
| 21:46.35 | Firefishe | antgel: yes, I am using a dvi cable |
| 21:46.36 | antgel | wow, xfree86, that brings back some memories |
| 21:46.42 | themill | Firefishe: any WW or EE in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 21:46.59 | antgel | Firefishe: hold it. can you try the non-dvi? i had issues like you describe with radeon and dvi cables |
| 21:47.13 | seriouslycgi | anyone ever set up a server to accept dialup i want to let my father dialup my server so he doesnt have to pay for dialup as he doesnt want broadband |
| 21:47.17 | Firefishe | antgel: I've tried it with both cables, it makes no difference |
| 21:47.30 | jakub_ | please |
| 21:47.32 | jakub_ | i have apache |
| 21:47.33 | themill | antgel: is the driver name in etch radeon or ati? I can't remember... I used to use radeon with a 9600... |
| 21:47.40 | jakub_ | i need to cut his upload to 80 kB/s how ? |
| 21:48.07 | antgel | themill: ati should pick radeon for you if you have a radeon |
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| 21:48.22 | Firefishe | themill: I will check my log file...one moment |
| 21:48.40 | cr3 | what is the signal thrown when ctrl-c is entered? |
| 21:48.46 | dondelelcaro | cr3: SIGINT |
| 21:48.48 | themill | antgel: ahh yes... I vaguely remember something about that... good-o. It's not that then ;) |
| 21:48.54 | antgel | Firefishe: search the xorg bugtracker. i'm sure there are issues like this mentioned - you may find workarounds |
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| 21:50.16 | themill | a 9600 should be old enough that work arounds out of a bugtracker shouldn't be needed any more, surely?! |
| 21:50.39 | snowbird | the mill i tried that add on |
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| 21:51.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | What do I ask dpkg about lost passwords? |
| 21:51.07 | antgel | they are if the bugs aren't diagnosed or fixed. my 9200 never worked in 1600x1200 with dvi |
| 21:51.34 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: cheers |
| 21:51.44 | themill | !tell Dark_Apostrophe about forgot root password |
| 21:51.55 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: is that what you were looking for? |
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| 21:52.17 | themill | antgel: so here's waiting on that amd/ati free driver.... |
| 21:52.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: Yes. Thanks |
| 21:52.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: The same applies if Bastille has locked the login to force root password, right? |
| 21:52.53 | Firefishe | themill: I found numerous WW entries. Here is the file: http://pastebin.com/m28d60bee |
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| 21:53.52 | Firefishe | antgel: I will check the bug tracker. |
| 21:54.23 | themill | Firefishe: unfortunately, those warnings are all harmless. |
| 21:54.45 | Firefishe | if I disable DPMI, would that do anything, you think? |
| 21:55.13 | Firefishe | The flashing seems to be tied to some type of system event that happens every few seconds. |
| 21:55.21 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: nfi |
| 21:55.28 | snowbird | how i kill my nv spalsh screen |
| 21:55.41 | themill | Firefishe: could it be linked to the acpi (or lack of) warnings then? |
| 21:56.15 | Firefishe | acpi control what...the sleep state of the screen, power saver stuff, and so on? |
| 21:56.20 | Firefishe | controls |
| 21:56.55 | themill | yes. sleep state of processor, all the energy saver stuff on the screen. X should give up and leave it alone if it can't do it properly. |
| 21:57.01 | Firefishe | I can pass a "noacpi" flag at boot time, can't I? |
| 21:57.27 | themill | well, it appears the X doesn't think you have acpi running at present anyway. |
| 21:57.46 | Firefishe | antgel, themill: I never had any problems with Sarge. |
| 21:57.58 | antgel | Firefishe: and? |
| 21:58.21 | Firefishe | although...I do remember it didn't do it in X, but it *did*, I remember, do it when I ctrl'd out to a console. |
| 21:58.30 | Firefishe | the console would blink, but not always |
| 21:58.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: Weird, no devices in /dev |
| 21:58.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: The LUKS disk encryption must be behind that |
| 21:58.57 | themill | Firefishe: do you have the acpi package installed? |
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| 21:59.17 | Firefishe | themill: Let me check my lists...one sec. |
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| 22:00.30 | Firefishe | themill: hmmm, it appears that I do not |
| 22:00.59 | Firefishe | themill: why don't I install them and see what happens, eh? |
| 22:01.04 | themill | it's a long shot, but I'm wondering if having acpi loaded will help you. |
| 22:01.39 | Firefishe | *kaboom* <shards, pieces, debian logo rended in two> |
| 22:01.41 | Firefishe | ;) |
| 22:01.45 | themill | there's actually an increasing number of boxen that won't even boot without acpi |
| 22:01.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: Never mind |
| 22:02.25 | Firefishe | themill: I will file that way for future reference. My box is almost half a decade old, I really need a dual core boxen |
| 22:02.45 | Firefishe | okay, let me install the acpi stuff...brb |
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| 22:03.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: Ok, I got three devices - sda1, sda2 and sda5 - How do I find out which is the root file system? |
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| 22:03.45 | antgel | Dark_Apostrophe: mount |
| 22:03.51 | antgel | or cat /etc/fstab |
| 22:04.51 | Firefishe | themill: well, it's installed. also installed something called "radeontool," so I'm going to check that out. |
| 22:05.28 | themill | iirc radeontool is only for console mode. |
| 22:06.56 | themill | OK. so what output does acpi -V give? |
| 22:07.06 | Firefishe | themill: I just ran it in an xterm |
| 22:07.14 | Firefishe | I'll run that, one sec |
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| 22:08.11 | Firefishe | running "acpi -V" gives me "No support for device type: thermal |
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| 22:08.43 | logd | hi after installing timidity pmidi & freepats what i need to do to let kmid and karaoke play midi files ? |
| 22:09.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | antgel: It shows some /dev/mapper stuff |
| 22:09.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | fstab, I mean |
| 22:09.29 | antgel | Dark_Apostrophe: how did you boot? |
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| 22:09.49 | themill | that's probably fair enough. You don't have a battery or AC adapter and don't have the thermal kernel module loaded. |
| 22:09.54 | antgel | Dark_Apostrophe: okay, did you boot with init=/bin/sh? |
| 22:10.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yep |
| 22:11.22 | antgel | Dark_Apostrophe: the disk only got debian on it? |
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| 22:11.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yep |
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| 22:12.03 | antgel | Dark_Apostrophe: so partition 1 is generally /. mount it and ls it, and you'll soon see if it is. |
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| 22:12.15 | Firefishe | themill: true |
| 22:12.25 | antgel | Dark_Apostrophe: or back in grub, you could press e to see what the root partiton is |
| 22:12.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | antgel: Ok, I'll mount |
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| 22:13.01 | themill | Firefishe: it was actually acpid that you were probably looking for not acpi |
| 22:13.13 | Firefishe | themill: I'm working to narrow it down to what synaptic says I have listed under and "acpi" search listing. |
| 22:13.19 | themill | acpid will give you the /var/run/acpid.socket that X was warning about |
| 22:13.42 | Firefishe | themill: well, acpid was part of the entire install |
| 22:13.50 | Firefishe | that is the daemon |
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| 22:14.14 | themill | ah ok.... as in the base install of etch installed it? |
| 22:14.19 | antgel | i don't see what this has to do with acpi, search the xorg bug database and you'll find bugs relating to radeon flicker |
| 22:14.41 | Xanthor | since I upgrade from kernel 2.6.18 to kernel 2.6.2x, my computer freezes... and no logs to study... |
| 22:14.47 | antgel | or change your cheapo video card :P |
| 22:15.00 | antgel | Xanthor: so use 2.6.18 |
| 22:15.00 | themill | antgel: *nod* we got distracted on that looking at the xorg warnings |
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| 22:15.49 | logd | hi after installing timidity pmidi & freepats what i need to do to let kmid and karaoke play midi files ? |
| 22:15.59 | Firefishe | antgel: Is that available at the xorg web site? |
| 22:16.31 | antgel | Firefishe: why ask me a question that google can better answer? :) |
| 22:16.42 | Firefishe | sorry antgel |
| 22:16.58 | Firefishe | I'll brb, off to googleland |
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| 22:18.33 | mikeones_ | how can I clear port 69? I cannot get atftpd to connect to it. |
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| 22:18.38 | mikeones_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.38 | mikeones_ | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* 2107/inetd |
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| 22:19.27 | mikeones_ | do I have to reboot? |
| 22:19.35 | dragonheart | its already started |
| 22:19.41 | dragonheart | kill process 2107 |
| 22:19.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | antgel: The fs is busy and fsck is thus refusing to run on it |
| 22:19.57 | themill | !tell mikeones_ about inetd |
| 22:20.03 | themill | dragonheart: no... |
| 22:20.10 | antgel | Dark_Apostrophe: did you umount it first? |
| 22:20.10 | dragonheart | opps - sorry |
| 22:20.17 | themill | :) |
| 22:20.18 | dragonheart | i'll have my coffee first next time |
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| 22:20.27 | mikeones_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | antgel: I did umount / |
| 22:20.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | Didn't help |
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| 22:21.06 | antgel | Dark_Apostrophe: is it still mounted? |
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| 22:21.30 | themill | mikeones_: your inetd is configured to listen on port 69. have a look in /etc/inetd.conf for that |
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| 22:21.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | antgel: Yes |
| 22:21.56 | mikeones_ | kill 2107 worked |
| 22:21.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | antgel: According to mtab |
| 22:22.15 | antgel | Dark_Apostrophe: did it umount when you told it to? pwd? |
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| 22:22.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | pwd says / |
| 22:22.48 | themill | mikeones_: killing random processes isn't always a good thing. If you're bored one day, try kill 1. |
| 22:22.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | antgel: Doesn't seem so |
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| 22:22.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | mtab says |
| 22:22.58 | antgel | Dark_Apostrophe: doesn't seem so? either it did or didn't |
| 22:23.06 | themill | mikeones_: you might like to look at your inetd.conf and work out what other services are no longer being provided by your box... |
| 22:23.14 | antgel | Dark_Apostrophe: fuck mtab, when you typed umount /mnt, did you get an error? |
| 22:23.24 | snowbird | how do you remove nvida splash screen |
| 22:23.40 | antgel | Dark_Apostrophe: and why are you doing an fsck? you only want to change the password, no? |
| 22:23.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | That's what dpkg says |
| 22:23.57 | antgel | Dark_Apostrophe: WTF? |
| 22:23.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | It says to do an fsck |
| 22:24.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | <dpkg> themill wants you to know: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 22:24.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | see step 2 |
| 22:24.28 | antgel | Dark_Apostrophe: ignore step 2 |
| 22:24.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | Fine by me |
| 22:24.56 | PetaWindows | hi ppl |
| 22:25.01 | themill | mikeones_: am I shouting into a vacuum.....? |
| 22:25.01 | antgel | !ppl |
| 22:25.01 | dpkg | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.], or <Guerin> parts per litre? how many? |
| 22:25.08 | mikeones_ | themill: it was tftp. I was between tftpd and atftpd. I commented out tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /srv/tftp |
| 22:25.25 | mikeones_ | themill: is that right? |
| 22:25.26 | PetaWindows | !es |
| 22:25.26 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:25.41 | PetaWindows | !ca |
| 22:25.41 | dpkg | methinks ca is a Certificate Authroity. It's required when browsers check your SSL certs with the CA's digital signature. See also SSL, or dog in Mallorquí.... Canada, or see apache rootca |
| 22:25.50 | abrotman | PetaWindows: /msg dpkg foo |
| 22:26.29 | PetaWindows | abrotman, I'm sry for the spam :P |
| 22:26.36 | PetaWindows | and it doesn't works........ |
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| 22:26.44 | abrotman | then /join #debian-bots |
| 22:26.51 | PetaWindows | :O |
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| 22:27.25 | themill | mikeones_: that sounds right. You might like to invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd start |
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| 22:28.40 | mikeones_ | themill: start or restart? |
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| 22:28.58 | themill | mikeones_: well, you killed it, so it probably doesn't need stopping... |
| 22:29.05 | mikeones_ | :) |
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| 22:29.52 | mikeones_ | I think this is right.. I have nothing enabled. |
| 22:29.56 | mikeones_ | /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd start |
| 22:29.56 | mikeones_ | * Not starting internet superserver: no services enabled. |
| 22:30.45 | mikeones_ | themill: can you help me with this? |
| 22:30.50 | mikeones_ | ntpdate |
| 22:30.50 | mikeones_ | 13 Aug 12:30:08 ntpdate[27666]: no servers can be used, exiting |
| 22:30.52 | themill | you may or may not require an identd.... does freenode requrie an ident? I can't remember. |
| 22:31.06 | dondelelcaro | themill: no |
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| 22:31.28 | themill | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks... I know it hits against it if you do run one though.... |
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| 22:32.22 | streuner | hi gravity :-) |
| 22:32.22 | Muisje | Screw debian |
| 22:32.28 | streuner | heh |
| 22:32.32 | Muisje | Second time it is giving me a hard time again >_< |
| 22:32.40 | abrotman | then don't use it .. |
| 22:32.45 | streuner | !pebcac |
| 22:32.49 | gravity | Hi streuner |
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| 22:32.53 | Muisje | Well, gotta get my data of |
| 22:33.00 | abrotman | !tell streuner about pebkac |
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| 22:33.25 | streuner | abrotman: yeah, just remember what it want tells you |
| 22:33.29 | Muisje | *tries recovery mod* |
| 22:33.32 | Muisje | mode* |
| 22:33.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | antgel: Every time I try to do it, it says authentication token locked |
| 22:33.52 | dondelelcaro | themill: sure, it's just not required |
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| 22:33.56 | themill | mikeones_: have you read /usr/share/doc/ntpdate/README.Debian? |
| 22:34.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | Maybe that's why fsck is needed |
| 22:34.18 | themill | dondelelcaro: yep, I understand. thanks for the clarification. |
| 22:34.43 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: you might like to tell antgel that you're running bastille stuff on there at some stage. |
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| 22:35.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: Yeah, bastille is the reason I can't just do a single-user-mode password change |
| 22:35.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | And I've also got full disk encryption |
| 22:36.13 | Muisje | Running Debian Etch 4.0 |
| 22:36.24 | Muisje | Getting segfaults, currently in single mode logged on |
| 22:36.27 | antgel | Dark_Apostrophe: nothing to do with bastille. can you boot it and chroot in from knoppix? |
| 22:36.40 | antgel | s/bastille/fsck |
| 22:36.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | Haven't tried that |
| 22:37.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | But even if I did, I'd still have the LUKS encryption to deal with |
| 22:37.08 | antgel | abrotman: eh? |
| 22:37.14 | abrotman | dream theater? |
| 22:37.53 | antgel | abrotman: are you spying on me? |
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| 22:38.11 | abrotman | antgel: i just signed into lastfm .. and it showsme what you've listened to |
| 22:38.12 | MTecknology | by default, should i be able to ssh into a debain system? |
| 22:38.27 | themill | no |
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| 22:38.31 | antgel | Dark_Apostrophe: luks mailing list? i know SFA about it |
| 22:38.42 | MTecknology | themill, how do I open that up? |
| 22:38.55 | antgel | abrotman: heh, that was a tad scary. yeah, some classic DT today |
| 22:39.02 | Xanthor | (back) Sorry if someone answered me about my freeze problem, I couldn't read it (freeze again) |
| 22:39.04 | abrotman | i noticed |
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| 22:39.14 | themill | MTecknology: aptitude install openssh-server |
| 22:39.23 | MTecknology | themill, thanks :) |
| 22:39.28 | themill | np |
| 22:39.29 | antgel | abrotman: their new one rocks so hard. new rush does as well |
| 22:39.47 | abrotman | antgel: dream theater?! |
| 22:39.54 | antgel | Xanthor: just use 2.6.18, the default in stable |
| 22:40.02 | Xanthor | in fact, since kernel 2.6.2x, it's not a computer freeze, but a keyboard+mouse freeze : they don't answer anymore, and unpluging-replugin them just powser them down... |
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| 22:40.04 | antgel | abrotman: yeah |
| 22:40.27 | Xanthor | antgel, yes, I'll do thins until I find a solution, but could I know if it's a known bug ? |
| 22:40.53 | antgel | Xanthor: yes, just check the lkml archives and search the www |
| 22:41.00 | Xanthor | (I use debian sid, so the default is 2.6.22) |
| 22:41.47 | antgel | Xanthor: ah, if you use sid, you obviously know what to do :) |
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| 22:44.58 | Firefishe | antgel, themill: Back. I was wondering, do the proprietary ati drivers work/ |
| 22:45.00 | Firefishe | ? |
| 22:45.22 | snowbird | i lost my gui at comand line what do i type to reconfigure it |
| 22:45.50 | themill | Firefishe: yes, they do work with etch and I'm currently using them. You've just got to accept the compromises that the non-free fglrx can entail. |
| 22:45.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | antgel: After I figured out how to fsck it, the password changed! |
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| 22:45.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | For some reason, fscking it actually helped |
| 22:46.11 | antgel | Dark_Apostrophe: interesting, i've never had to do that |
| 22:46.17 | Firefishe | themill: adn those compromises are? |
| 22:46.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | Well, it worked here. :/ |
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| 22:46.54 | snowbird | the mill |
| 22:46.56 | themill | Firefishe: non-free-ness. Some people have trouble with suspend to disk/ram. Tainted kernel so crashdumps are meaningless. |
| 22:47.47 | Firefishe | themill: well, I'm already using the linuxant driverloader for my wlan card, so it's tainted already ;) |
| 22:47.57 | themill | Firefishe: etc. It works for me and none of the free drivers in debian work at all with my card in 2D so i just have to cope for the time being. |
| 22:48.23 | themill | Firefishe: I imagine that suspend isn't a biggie for you. And it seems to be a lot better these days for that. |
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| 22:48.28 | Firefishe | themill: I don't suspend to disk, anyway, no even on the doze side of the drive |
| 22:48.28 | themill | !tell Firefishe about fglrx |
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| 22:48.50 | snowbird | the mill can u tell me someting |
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| 22:49.13 | Firefishe | thanks for the bot-blurb there... |
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| 22:49.48 | john_titor | has anyone installed metisse on debian????????????????????????????????? |
| 22:50.05 | themill | Firefishe: np. the fglrx one-liner has the instructions |
| 22:50.12 | themill | !tell john_titor about anyone |
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| 22:50.38 | antgel | john_titor: who knows |
| 22:50.42 | john_titor | ok im sorry t.t.... |
| 22:50.45 | antgel | possibly |
| 22:50.52 | themill | wtf is it? |
| 22:51.04 | john_titor | i will ask again :p ! |
| 22:51.13 | snowbird | the mill id like to edit xorg |
| 22:51.20 | snowbird | the mill i lost jui |
| 22:51.39 | abrotman | HIS NICK IS ONE WORD |
| 22:51.51 | themill | snowbird: I would recommend that you never try editing a file like xorg. |
| 22:51.53 | snowbird | ok themill |
| 22:52.01 | Firefishe | themill: What is the fglrx one-liner? |
| 22:52.04 | snowbird | what can i doo? |
| 22:52.13 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 22:52.14 | dpkg | i guess fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 22:52.14 | themill | !tell Firefishe about fglrx one-liner |
| 22:52.23 | themill | !tell Firefishe about msg the bot |
| 22:54.00 | abrotman | i'm not at work any more |
| 22:54.06 | snowbird | themill and abortman need a strong drink |
| 22:54.24 | Firefishe | I'm taking a break, this screen blink is giving me a headache ;) |
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| 22:54.50 | themill | Firefishe: sounds fair. perhaps you need a beer too.... |
| 22:55.23 | Firefishe | themill: a nice snifter of Grand Marnier would suit me just fine right now. Pity I'm currently attending truck driving school ;) |
| 22:55.40 | themill | I won't tell if you don't ... |
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| 22:56.08 | Firefishe | themill: mums the word... wordInt(mum) |
| 22:56.24 | Firefishe | or something like that... ;) heh brb |
| 22:56.36 | john_titor | the thing is when im trying to install metisse tells me i have to installed freetype... and dunno where i get it |
| 22:57.26 | abrotman | apt-cache search freetype |
| 22:57.41 | snowbird | themill i get error xorg not installed |
| 22:57.43 | john_titor | thx! |
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| 22:58.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | How do I manually change my IP address with ifconfig/whatever? |
| 22:59.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | (There's enough in ifconfig's manpage to replace half of LOTR's pages - I can't find it) |
| 22:59.15 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: as a one off? man ifconfig. Permanently? man 5 interfaces |
| 22:59.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | One off, and I already did man ifconfig |
| 22:59.49 | antgel | Dark_Apostrophe: read it again. it mentions address several times |
| 23:00.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | Is it the netmask part? |
| 23:00.08 | abrotman | antgel: jewish music?! |
| 23:00.10 | antgel | no it's the address part |
| 23:00.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | No wait |
| 23:00.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | The part right under it |
| 23:00.18 | antgel | abrotman: israeli |
| 23:00.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yeah |
| 23:00.27 | abrotman | antgel: jewish! |
| 23:00.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: And? |
| 23:00.45 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: mind your own business :) |
| 23:01.01 | antgel | abrotman: whatever, you'll have to learn the secret code to know ;) |
| 23:01.13 | abrotman | antgel: i can't translate anymore |
| 23:01.34 | snowbird | oh shit what does it use to edit x |
| 23:01.39 | antgel | abrotman: it's israeli secular, matti caspi, arik einstein, tractor's revenge, david broza |
| 23:01.46 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:01.54 | antgel | all pretty good but broza a bit cheesy for his own good |
| 23:03.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | antgel: I think I'm getting the syntax wrong |
| 23:03.42 | themill | I have some users who were weened on pine but the version I have is pretty old (probably security problematic too) and of course it's not in debian. Is there an archive for etch that I can lazily use? Or something that is a good-enough drop-in replacement that my users won't notice? |
| 23:03.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | antgel: Is it ifconfig eth1 address (IP) or what is it? |
| 23:03.54 | antgel | Dark_Apostrophe: ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.10 |
| 23:04.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oh..that simple |
| 23:04.07 | abrotman | themill: pinetracker ? |
| 23:04.23 | abrotman | themill: also see alpine |
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| 23:04.39 | abrotman | !info alpine etch |
| 23:04.44 | abrotman | oh .. might not be in etch |
| 23:04.49 | abrotman | !info alpine lenny |
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| 23:04.53 | dpkg | alpine: (Text-based email client, friendly for novices but powerful), section mail, is optional. Version: 0.99+dfsg-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 2650 kB, Installed size: 5876 kB |
| 23:05.12 | antgel | it's on bpo |
| 23:05.39 | themill | any good? |
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| 23:06.00 | antgel | themill: tell your users to go fuck themselves |
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| 23:06.10 | snowbird | themill how can i save the pc |
| 23:06.42 | themill | antgel: nah... I've not descended quite into that oblivion just yet. Give me a few years before I do that and just give them ed to read their mail.... |
| 23:07.03 | soothsayer | Does anyone know if approx caches package index files? |
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| 23:09.17 | themill | !wayttd snowbird |
| 23:09.17 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, snowbird? |
| 23:09.30 | antgel | i'm so pleased he's in the KF |
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| 23:09.33 | antgel | 'night all |
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| 23:09.44 | snowbird | whatnnthe mill |
| 23:09.52 | snowbird | what themill |
| 23:10.11 | snowbird | iam trying to get into my config file for x |
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| 23:11.03 | rcbarnes | echo ${LC_ALL} returns a blank line. Where's the proper file to make that UTF8 instead? |
| 23:11.18 | Muisje | 2186 Segmentation fault |
| 23:11.47 | themill | snowbird: you had X working the other day. What did you do? |
| 23:11.54 | abrotman | Muisje: bad hardware ? |
| 23:12.10 | snowbird | i think my mouse went bad |
| 23:12.19 | snowbird | i installed another and poof |
| 23:12.35 | snowbird | let me go in config and il see if its there wrong one |
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| 23:12.52 | snowbird | i cant get in config |
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| 23:14.20 | Absolute0 | i installed msttfcorefonts and restarted X but still dont see the ms fonts in openoffice... how can i fix this? |
| 23:14.21 | themill | snowbird: just do this then: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:14.40 | snowbird | tells me no x server org instaled |
| 23:14.53 | rcbarnes | I've looked in /etc/locale.gen, but that's set to en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8, so I don't think that's the right file (or else it's not being referenced for some reason) |
| 23:14.54 | snowbird | comon error on google |
| 23:15.33 | snowbird | the millmaybe i need install org? |
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| 23:15.52 | themill | snowbird: how on earth did you uninstall xorg? |
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| 23:16.02 | snowbird | i dont kno |
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| 23:16.17 | snowbird | its on google that sarge dont have that |
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| 23:16.22 | b0rg | hello, i need some help... I had a fresh installed debian etch, working just fine out of the box, but after installing kde i and other supplied packages on the dvds, a problem occured, every time i try to shutdown the system it hangs with the message acpi_poweroff called. i tryed both halt and shutdown commands but nothing works.. can you give me any help. my hardware is relatively new ( 12-13 months) and just out of the box eerything works fine... |
| 23:16.34 | b0rg | can anyone help me ?? |
| 23:16.50 | snowbird | themilll i guess reinstall that? |
| 23:16.56 | themill | rcbarnes: I only have LANG set with no other LC_* set at all. What are you specifically trying to achieve? |
| 23:17.20 | themill | snowbird: can you pastebin the output of dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:17.53 | freenot | hi all, on the default gnome desktop, there was 2 panels, one upper, one lower, i deleted the lower panel as i only like one, but now when i minimise an app, it disappears. how do i get them to redirect to the upper panel as icons? |
| 23:18.09 | snowbird | i can yeah ill type it out in shell that pc only in shell |
| 23:18.13 | rcbarnes | themill: making conky show UTF-8 |
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| 23:19.08 | abrotman | freenot: you setup the task bar thingie in the top one |
| 23:19.18 | themill | rcbarnes: apps can't show UTF-8, it's only a way of encoding text. Are you getting lots of characters that aren't being displayed properly? |
| 23:19.24 | abrotman | freenot: or put the window selector applet there |
| 23:19.32 | snowbird | tells me x org server not install could it be x11? |
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| 23:19.45 | b0rg | hello, i need some help... I had a fresh installed debian etch, working just fine out of the box, but after installing kde i and other supplied packages on the dvds, a problem occured, every time i try to shutdown the system it hangs with the message acpi_poweroff called. i tryed both halt and shutdown commands but nothing works.. can you give me any help. my hardware is relatively new ( 12-13 months) and just out of the box eerything works fine... |
| 23:19.48 | b0rg | can anyone help me ?? |
| 23:19.48 | rcbarnes | themill: only the ones that are outside ASCII, like AE |
| 23:20.08 | themill | rcbarnes: sounds like it's a font problem not a locale problem then. |
| 23:20.11 | dvs | b0rg: load the acpi kernel module? |
| 23:20.16 | snowbird | should i try apt-get org? |
| 23:20.18 | rcbarnes | themill: oh? |
| 23:20.28 | freenot | abrotman: ah k, this should be fun ... the window selector was on the lower panel |
| 23:20.44 | abrotman | freenot: just right click on the panel and add it |
| 23:20.56 | themill | rcbarnes: try telling konqi to use different fonts for rendering, perhaps. Look for fonts that you have installed that are reasonably unicode complete, at least in the glyphs you are interested in. kcharselect is a good way of checking. |
| 23:21.15 | rcbarnes | themill: cool. thanks |
| 23:21.23 | b0rg | dvs it`s probably loaded because ofter a fresh install everything is OK but after installing KDE the damn thing hangs so i have to manually hold the power button for the system to shutdown.... |
| 23:21.26 | themill | rcbarnes: np. hope that works :) |
| 23:21.56 | freenot | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:22.12 | themill | rcbarnes: on Konqi -> settings -> Fonts, you can also change the default encoding that it uses. but any half decent web page (ha!) will tell konqi what encoding to use anyway so the default shouldn't matter. |
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| 23:22.23 | snowbird | themill i try to apt get xorg doesnt look like its even sarge |
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| 23:22.57 | freenot | abrotman: cool, sorted |
| 23:23.03 | abrotman | ok |
| 23:23.31 | freenot | abrotman: this is my first Debian, migrating from G2, awesome how everything worked first time |
| 23:23.54 | abrotman | what is G2 ? |
| 23:23.59 | dvs | Apple? |
| 23:24.10 | freenot | abrotman: Gentoo |
| 23:24.15 | abrotman | oh |
| 23:25.27 | john_titor | wich one is a good torrent client???? |
| 23:25.40 | themill | snowbird: You know that we're quite happy to help you get your box working, but we can't always spend our time helping you unbreak it every day, don't you snowbird. You're really going to have to stop breaking things. Debian is really stable... once you've got it set up, you don't need to fiddle with it and it doesn't break on its own. Even with difficult hardware, once it's working it will just continue to work. Please make a big effort for all our sakes to |
| 23:25.40 | themill | not break things on your box! :) |
| 23:25.41 | abrotman | GUI or CLI ? |
| 23:26.33 | snowbird | i will not do any thing any more to my box |
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| 23:26.54 | snowbird | iam to dmb to help |
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| 23:27.05 | john_titor | and im to noob |
| 23:27.21 | john_titor | and my english sucks |
| 23:27.31 | snowbird | i will agree to no more touchany thing with out room saying yes |
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| 23:27.42 | snowbird | but right now i don't got any box |
| 23:27.56 | snowbird | shhould i try life distro and see waht can be done |
| 23:28.09 | DustyBin | who could i trust in this channel to log into my box and install the 2.6.21 kernel with the nvidia driver |
| 23:28.10 | john_titor | i know..... but the spanish channel... is quite empty |
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| 23:28.26 | snowbird | themill looks dead pc \ |
| 23:29.04 | abrotman | john_titor: GUI or CLI torrent client ? |
| 23:30.04 | john_titor | o im sorry.... GUI client ! |
| 23:30.04 | john_titor | o im sorry...... GUI client! |
| 23:30.07 | john_titor | :o |
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| 23:30.45 | abrotman | john_titor: gnome? kde? |
| 23:30.52 | john_titor | gnome :p |
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| 23:31.02 | abrotman | tranmission is simple .. works well enough .. not many options |
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| 23:32.09 | et | i don't know if this is the right place to ask ... my laptop has multimedia keys, those are recognized by for example rhythmbox |
| 23:32.39 | et | the corresponding keys on my usb keyboard are not recognized, how can i make them act the same? |
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| 23:33.35 | et | my problem is that the keys on the laptop don't generate keypress events in xev ... that would have been my first guess |
| 23:33.43 | abrotman | !info lineakd etch |
| 23:33.47 | dpkg | lineakd: (Linux support for Easy Access and Internet Keyboards), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.9-3 (etch), Packaged size: 104 kB, Installed size: 452 kB |
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| 23:36.37 | et | thanks, will try |
| 23:36.41 | mieloo | hi, greetings |
| 23:37.19 | cec | Hi is there a way to track what a command is doing, besides its output, that provides more detail than the -v option? |
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| 23:37.57 | abrotman | cec: strace and ltrace and using a debugger |
| 23:38.15 | cec | great thank you abrotman |
| 23:38.55 | et | hmm, i just found out they do work, but the forward/back keys don't do what i want them to do (switch music, they seem to be for a browser ;)) |
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| 23:39.11 | snowbird | thanks guys no more touchie |
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| 23:39.19 | snowbird | the mill i am in gnome now |
| 23:39.44 | cec | abrotman, thanks again strace gave me just what I needed. |
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| 23:40.09 | themill | snowbird: well done. Good to see you are working things out for yourself. I suggest that you make a copy of your /etc so that you can get config files back out of it should you need to at a later date. |
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| 23:42.15 | themill | other than looking for the oldest timestamps, is there a way of seeing when a box was first built? |
| 23:43.43 | abrotman | themill: /var/log/debian-installer/* |
| 23:43.44 | themill | ahh don't worry... I found a /var/log/installer.log file on it. |
| 23:44.01 | themill | abrotman: it would have been a woody box to begin with |
| 23:44.16 | snowbird | the mill iam in gnome how to i get it to startin kde |
| 23:44.17 | abrotman | oh .. there should be some installer log in there somewhere ;) |
| 23:44.21 | abrotman | ONE WORD! |
| 23:44.22 | snowbird | type kde at shell |
| 23:45.08 | DustyBin | ive find a really cool guide for compiling your own kernel: |
| 23:45.11 | DustyBin | http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch |
| 23:45.25 | themill | snowbird: you can't start kde from within gnome. You need to logout and then at the login screen you can choose to login with a different session. |
| 23:46.04 | snowbird | ok themill thanks for patitience i have kde on desk top il go over and get u that log u wanted |
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| 23:46.50 | snowbird | i would like to rid that nvida screen and il tell themill waht i want to doo i dont eveor want to fook up |
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| 23:47.29 | stoned | gu |
| 23:47.35 | dvs | gu? |
| 23:47.36 | stoned | I am back baby |
| 23:47.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | I got a laptop with some Intel-based wifi card (I think) |
| 23:47.40 | stoned | oh I meant hi |
| 23:47.40 | stoned | haha |
| 23:47.42 | dvs | oh no! |
| 23:47.53 | stoned | back on doobian |
| 23:47.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | I can't activate it. I'm a newb when it comes to wifi. |
| 23:47.57 | stoned | :D |
| 23:48.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me out? |
| 23:48.00 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: lspci or lsusb to find it |
| 23:48.03 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: which card ? |
| 23:48.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | lsusb only shows my mouse |
| 23:48.37 | abrotman | lspci ? |
| 23:48.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | lspci has loads of stuff I don't understand |
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| 23:48.43 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: so paste it somewhere we can see it |
| 23:48.53 | themill | http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi |
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| 23:49.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | k |
| 23:49.03 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: lspci -n into there ^^ |
| 23:49.05 | stoned | !ipw2100 |
| 23:49.05 | dpkg | ipw2100 is, like, a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2100-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. For help try #ipw2100 or http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net. It's built in to kernels >= 2.6.15 and you need a 2.6 kernel to compile it |
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| 23:49.18 | abrotman | who said anything about ipw2100 ? |
| 23:49.20 | themill | stoned: it's probably not ipw2100 if it's not in lsisb |
| 23:49.24 | themill | *lsusb |
| 23:49.31 | stoned | it is a usb based card? |
| 23:49.41 | dvs | stoned: it's in a laptop |
| 23:49.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://paste.debian.net/34562 |
| 23:49.57 | themill | stoned: we don't know yet, but probably not. |
| 23:49.58 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: update-pciids and paste it again |
| 23:50.06 | stoned | ok |
| 23:50.09 | snowbird | the mill i got kde back i dont know what made it do that maybe someing to do with nvida splashscreen? |
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| 23:50.27 | stoned | snowbird: I don't mind the new nvidia blackis green splsh screen |
| 23:50.29 | stoned | its nice |
| 23:50.49 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: you can put lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi and it will give you all sorts of nice info. |
| 23:50.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://paste.debian.net/34563 |
| 23:51.14 | snowbird | stoned il put up with it i have one nice note book for notes and themill mill will castorate me if i don't tell what i doo |
| 23:51.17 | abrotman | wtf is 4965 ? |
| 23:51.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | Wait while I get IRC up on the laptop, then repost the link please, themill |
| 23:51.25 | dvs | 4965? |
| 23:51.29 | themill | ipw 4965 |
| 23:51.37 | themill | it's intel's new santa rosa wireless. |
| 23:51.51 | themill | the iwlwifi driver will run it, but that's not in debian yet ;) |
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| 23:52.10 | abrotman | http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Linux.Wireless.drivers.802.11ag.html#Centrino4965 |
| 23:52.11 | stoned | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Intel+Corporation+PRO%2FWireless+4965+AG++debian&btnG=Search |
| 23:52.11 | darkapostrophe_ | themill: Please re-post the link |
| 23:52.15 | stoned | hehe |
| 23:52.18 | stoned | there is a start |
| 23:52.26 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: you can put lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi and it will give you all sorts of nice info. |
| 23:52.30 | stoned | it seems ndiswrapper might be the way to go |
| 23:52.33 | snowbird | themill is write no tarballs no stuff here can't do it |
| 23:52.34 | DA-Laptop | thanks |
| 23:52.46 | themill | http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi&n=howto-iwlwifi |
| 23:53.15 | themill | DA-Laptop: you on a yo-yo or something? |
| 23:53.19 | kanedaddy | hey |
| 23:53.19 | Jostein | sup? |
| 23:53.41 | stoned | hey I figured out why my monitor shakes a lot |
| 23:53.42 | DA-Laptop | themill: Huh? |
| 23:53.42 | snowbird | tears cause it died |
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| 23:53.46 | stoned | but not that much in 60hz |
| 23:53.53 | DA-Laptop | stoned: Cause you're stoned? |
| 23:53.56 | DA-Laptop | :P |
| 23:54.04 | dvs | stoned: take of the glasses? ;-) |
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| 23:54.09 | stoned | if I take the big room fan away from the monitor, it doesn't shake, but if the fan is near the monitor it shake violently |
| 23:54.17 | themill | DA-Laptop: keep disappearing and reappearing with different nicks |
| 23:54.20 | snowbird | have to get my monitor setting back i did not touch in config or will they hold |
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| 23:54.40 | snowbird | themill xorg aint on here x86free is |
| 23:54.40 | DA-Laptop | themill: Two computers |
| 23:54.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | One desktop |
| 23:54.46 | DA-Laptop | one laptop |
| 23:55.03 | enveezee | anyone know of a small live cd that can reset passwords on a vista box? |
| 23:55.08 | zenwryly | bill_, {and whoever else that was helping me earlier}: I found ssh-copy-id which is a part of openssh-client and it does exactly what I wanted, just FYI |
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| 23:55.13 | stoned | enveezee: maybe |
| 23:55.16 | enveezee | heh |
| 23:55.20 | enveezee | stoned: maybe? |
| 23:55.28 | stoned | enveezee: I am not sure if vista is supported, however Hiren's boot cd |
| 23:55.34 | DA-Laptop | What about this? http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:55.37 | Jostein | ?? |
| 23:55.37 | snowbird | themill u need a brake like me over worked you |
| 23:55.40 | stoned | enveezee: 100mb iso, contains tons of repair tools of all sorts |
| 23:56.13 | stoned | enveezee: on there, in command line tools, 2nd page, you will see NT password recover tools etc, try them, but then again, vista might not be supported |
| 23:56.21 | stoned | it basically hacks the SAM file |
| 23:56.22 | themill | DA-Laptop: I don't think that actually works for the newer chipset but I've obviously not tried |
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| 23:56.31 | stoned | enveezee: oh, and consult ##windows |
| 23:56.31 | DA-Laptop | :/ |
| 23:56.31 | snowbird | try barts cd for windows |
| 23:56.32 | stoned | ;) |
| 23:56.56 | stoned | actually Mini PE is better |
| 23:57.03 | stoned | way better tools |
| 23:57.07 | themill | DA-Laptop: the instructions here don't look *that* bad... and the microcode is in non-free already http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi&n=howto-iwlwifi |
| 23:57.13 | snowbird | that was scarey better check my shorts |
| 23:57.14 | speaker219 | LOL |
| 23:57.28 | stoned | snowbird: what do you do? |
| 23:57.33 | speaker219 | loffle roffle |
| 23:57.47 | snowbird | i messed up pc |
| 23:57.59 | snowbird | mouse aint right wont cut and paste |
| 23:58.15 | snowbird | i took it out put another in no gui |
| 23:58.28 | DA-Laptop | ok |
| 23:58.31 | themill | good night all! |
| 23:58.36 | snowbird | good night |
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| 23:59.00 | zirikili | some days ago I updated my system and lost nvidia drivers... since that, there is no really *new* article or any trick about. does anyone had or has the same problem and sugestions? |
| 23:59.17 | snowbird | some reason i click my scrool wheel to paste |
| 23:59.17 | abrotman | zirikili: did you try reinstalling them ? |
| 23:59.23 | stoned | snowbird: no I mean what do you do for work? |
| 23:59.31 | zirikili | abrotman: them what, please? |
| 23:59.35 | snowbird | i don't work iam diasabled |
| 23:59.37 | abrotman | reinstall ? |
| 23:59.39 | stoned | zirikili: common issue |
| 23:59.44 | enveezee | stoned: idk I can't find a dl for it.; I'm on the damn site and cant see a d/l link anywhere |
| 23:59.46 | stoned | zirikili: was your kernel image updated? |
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| 23:59.52 | stoned | enveezee: umm.. torrents |
| 23:59.58 | stoned | enveezee: mininova has it |
