| 00:00.08 | stoned | I do'nt know the legality of said download |
| 00:00.23 | snowbird | when work comes my way i ahve done janitoral i do work with blind fella on weekend and farm mech on calls |
| 00:00.46 | stoned | cool |
| 00:00.55 | stoned | working with the disabled |
| 00:01.00 | stoned | that takes a lot of heart man |
| 00:01.02 | snowbird | yeah |
| 00:01.15 | stoned | wow, I mean even if you get paid for it, its still heavy |
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| 00:01.21 | zirikili | stoned: yes... to 2.6.21 but I returned that to 2.6.18 again but now the packages I used to install does not exist anymore (like nvidia-glx) or are obsolete |
| 00:01.27 | snowbird | it does but ive got few disibilites my self to stoned |
| 00:01.37 | stoned | zirikili: which distro are you running |
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| 00:01.53 | zirikili | stoned: debian testing |
| 00:02.09 | snowbird | how do u take u mouse and tell its two button |
| 00:02.14 | snowbird | before i fook up |
| 00:02.15 | stoned | no I mean, I actually know people, my best friend she works with disabled people and she is so sweet |
| 00:02.24 | stoned | and she doesn't make money off of them either |
| 00:02.32 | stoned | to me that is just fucking amazing |
| 00:02.33 | snowbird | i make 40 month |
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| 00:03.20 | stoned | snowbird: I think you can specify mouse button mapping somehow with xmodmap -e "1 2 3 4 5" etc. |
| 00:03.33 | stoned | and i think also you can probably do this in xorg.conf |
| 00:03.41 | snowbird | i loked in kde loooks fine |
| 00:03.54 | snowbird | i wont go abck there |
| 00:04.15 | stoned | in fact, drxx has an option I think for 2 or 3 button mouse |
| 00:04.25 | snowbird | what that drxx? |
| 00:04.33 | stoned | it asks you if you want to enable 3 button emulation oh nevermind thats diff probably |
| 00:04.35 | stoned | nm |
| 00:05.05 | snowbird | for some reason i don't know what to do |
| 00:05.14 | tsocks | damog: ? |
| 00:05.17 | stoned | what exactly do you want to do |
| 00:05.19 | snowbird | i think if its broken i better no tell u guys |
| 00:05.52 | stoned | !wayttd snowbird |
| 00:05.52 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, snowbird? |
| 00:05.59 | dondelelcaro | there's generally no need to specify how many buttons your mouse has |
| 00:06.11 | snowbird | i want to get my mouse of paste with scrool wheel |
| 00:06.23 | tsocks | damog: pv |
| 00:06.25 | simonrvn | unless you're changing the handedness ;) |
| 00:06.30 | dondelelcaro | snowbird: that's what the middle button does. |
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| 00:06.43 | dondelelcaro | snowbird: getting used to it pasting is a good idea. |
| 00:06.52 | snowbird | was cut right and paste left |
| 00:07.02 | snowbird | now its cut right/left paste with wheel |
| 00:07.13 | simonrvn | select/copy with left |
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| 00:07.18 | stoned | well you're confused here |
| 00:07.22 | stoned | lets settle the confusion |
| 00:07.28 | simonrvn | paste with middle |
| 00:07.30 | snowbird | how i select that simonrvn |
| 00:07.42 | simonrvn | you don't. it's builtin |
| 00:07.43 | hcy | why, when i do "apt-get install gnochm", does it say it's going to remove debian-kernel-headers? |
| 00:07.51 | snowbird | ok |
| 00:07.53 | hcy | linux-kernel-headers* |
| 00:07.56 | hcy | ? |
| 00:07.59 | stoned | snowbird: the middle click paste, select to copy is a completely different buffer than copy/paste in say kde |
| 00:08.02 | zirikili | sometimes I think I shouldn't did that "apt-get upgrade" ... I try to teach debian linux for brazilian people for some years and a thing like that make us a bit worry about the way a distro can take |
| 00:08.04 | dondelelcaro | hcy: that package is outdated |
| 00:08.17 | snowbird | ahh ok simonrvn |
| 00:08.24 | hcy | dondelelcaro: the kernel-headers package? or gnochm? |
| 00:08.24 | dondelelcaro | !+info linux-kernel-headers |
| 00:08.26 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 00:08.26 | peterS | hcy: probably something to do with upgrading libc6, and thus replacing linux-kernel-headers with linux-libc-dev |
| 00:08.26 | eimajenthat | hello, trying to setup a very lightweight desktop environment on Debian Lenny. Is there something like gksudo but that just uses x libraries? |
| 00:08.29 | dpkg | Package 'linux-kernel-headers' does not exist. |
| 00:08.31 | dondelelcaro | hcy: linux-kernel-headers |
| 00:08.40 | dondelelcaro | hcy: so removing it is completely normal. |
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| 00:08.43 | hcy | dondelelcaro: so i should just let apt-get do that? it looked scary |
| 00:08.50 | hcy | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks |
| 00:09.20 | freenot | is this still the way to install libdvdcss => http://www.debianadmin.com/install-libdvdcss-and-w32-video-codecs-in-debian-and-ubuntu.html ? |
| 00:09.31 | dondelelcaro | hcy: in the future, you can figure these sorts of things out by looking at packages.debian.org/foopkg; if foopkg isn't listed there for your suite, removing it is perfectly reasonable. |
| 00:09.34 | simonrvn | snowbird: also, when you have something selected with left, right butto extends or modifies the selection |
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| 00:09.43 | snowbird | oh |
| 00:09.49 | hcy | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 00:10.02 | simonrvn | snowbird: shift you extend it, just plain right mods it |
| 00:10.15 | snowbird | simonrvn: got dlink router coming was chee cheep if i need to i can then get someting else |
| 00:10.24 | dondelelcaro | !debian-multimedia |
| 00:10.24 | dpkg | somebody said debian-multimedia was a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 00:10.29 | snowbird | need a spellchecker for here |
| 00:10.54 | dondelelcaro | freenot: just see above; add a sources.list line to it, and install libdvdcss, or use the installer in libdvdread |
| 00:11.06 | freenot | dondelelcaro: ta |
| 00:11.16 | freenot | !debian-multimedia.etch |
| 00:11.16 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root) |
| 00:11.29 | simonrvn | snowbird: sometimes (depending if it's an x app or not, like gtk2 app) you don't need the shift |
| 00:11.36 | snowbird | simonrvn: does u fire fox seem faded |
| 00:11.46 | freenot | !apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 00:11.46 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 00:11.48 | simonrvn | faded? |
| 00:12.10 | simonrvn | no |
| 00:12.11 | snowbird | light in colour |
| 00:12.22 | snowbird | i wounder how i can make mine darker |
| 00:12.25 | peterS | if you're using firefox you probably need to upgrade to etch |
| 00:12.37 | snowbird | i call it firefox |
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| 00:14.32 | snowbird | i still nevor found how to add freinds to some kind o list |
| 00:14.35 | zirikili | please, someone have heard about debian does not support nvidia gforce4 anymore? |
| 00:14.48 | snowbird | yeah |
| 00:15.01 | snowbird | teh support like 5000 series |
| 00:15.07 | snowbird | 5200 etc |
| 00:15.42 | snowbird | maybe peter |
| 00:15.49 | peterS | it does seem slightly absurd to rely on a computer to keep track of who one's friends are, though |
| 00:16.13 | snowbird | has any one seen rockomono? |
| 00:16.32 | abrotman | peterS: that's why we have /names ? :) |
| 00:16.57 | peterS | I been through the desert with a friend with no name |
| 00:17.21 | snowbird | what u mean abortman |
| 00:17.22 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:18.01 | amphi | peterS: thanks, you just reminded me of 'muskrat love' :( |
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| 00:18.41 | hcy | dondelelcaro: it removed it, but failed to replace it with libc6 -- does that mean my system's totally broken now? |
| 00:18.54 | snowbird | what system |
| 00:20.04 | hcy | debian sid |
| 00:20.15 | dondelelcaro | hcy: libc6 doesn't replace linux-kernel-headers. What is the issue that you're seeing? |
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| 00:21.19 | hcy | Preparing to replace libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 (using .../libc6_2.6.1-1_i386.deb) ... \n WARNING: POSIX threads library NPTL requires kernel version \n 2.6.8 or later. If you use a kernel 2.4, please upgrade it \n before installing glibc. |
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| 00:21.54 | dondelelcaro | hcy: that's a warning... but you're not running 2.4, are you? |
| 00:22.05 | hcy | The installation of a 2.6 kernel _could_ ask you to install a new libc \n first, this is NOT a bug, and should *NOT* be reported. In that case, \n please add etch sources to your /etc/apt/sources.list and run: \n apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6 \n Then reboot into this new kernel, and proceed with your upgrade |
| 00:22.11 | hcy | no, it's definitely 2.6 |
| 00:22.36 | lymeca | Why is libxine1-ffmpeg available in main if it contains decompression software for patented formats, namely MP3? |
| 00:23.24 | peterS | lymeca: mainly because a lot of people don't think the decompression algorithms are properly patented anyway. it is encoding that seems to be the most problematic, not decoding |
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| 00:23.42 | peterS | this is true in particular for mp3 |
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| 00:24.02 | lymeca | peterS: A lot of people? Hmm,okay so why not ship MP3 decoding software in a default Debian installation? |
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| 00:24.06 | hcy | but it stops like an error |
| 00:24.07 | peterS | lymeca: we do |
| 00:24.08 | lymeca | Installed I mean |
| 00:24.11 | hcy | dondelelcaro: ^ |
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| 00:24.28 | peterS | I don't know about installed - why not ship any particular software to be installed by default in debian? |
| 00:24.29 | abrotman | lymeca: what do you mean? the players play mp3 without extra software |
| 00:24.33 | gravity | lymeca seems to have Debian confused with another distribution |
| 00:24.46 | lymeca | When I install Debian from the first CD or DVD for either i386 or amd64, I have to specifically get packages to make Amarok play MP3 files. |
| 00:24.55 | lymeca | gravity: I'm most certainly not confusing Debian with anything else./ |
| 00:24.57 | hunterp | i can't mount a usb drive. i get http://pastebin.com/m4e855067 help?? |
| 00:25.08 | peterS | lymeca: and yet when I install debian from a CD for i386, it doesn't even install Amarok at all |
| 00:25.10 | abrotman | lymeca: because i don't need amarok on my servers .. thanks |
| 00:25.15 | peterS | lymeca: something's different here |
| 00:25.29 | gravity | lymeca: I don't use amarok, but I've never had to install anything special to play mp3's when doing a desktop install |
| 00:25.31 | abrotman | does amarok need a library perhaps ? |
| 00:25.36 | abrotman | xmms does it without extra stuff |
| 00:25.42 | lymeca | abrotman: Oh,sure,but I meant "Desktop" in dselect |
| 00:25.50 | abrotman | Desktop for me installs gnome |
| 00:25.51 | hcy | what should i do? |
| 00:25.54 | peterS | amarok, like most media players, is plugin-based, perhaps not all plugin packages are installed when you install amarok |
| 00:26.13 | stoned | hey full house tonight |
| 00:26.15 | lymeca | I have to get libxine1-ffmpeg in particular. Amarok primarily uses xine as its backend. |
| 00:26.32 | lymeca | I'm sure it will be much better once KDE4 with Phonon comes around. |
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| 00:26.48 | lymeca | Amarok will use Phonon,which undoubtedly will have MP3 decoding support working out of the box. |
| 00:26.52 | peterS | so your real complaint is that libxine doesn't automatically install all of its plugins, including the one that supports mp3 |
| 00:26.54 | snowbird | phonon? |
| 00:27.11 | gravity | snowbird: google it |
| 00:27.16 | lymeca | snowbird: Phonon is the name for the multimedia backend in KDE 4 |
| 00:27.22 | snowbird | cool |
| 00:27.30 | lymeca | Amarok 2 will use Phonon |
| 00:27.33 | peterS | yes, I'm sure something that is now vaporware will be much better, when it is not vaporware |
| 00:27.38 | peterS | this is always true, historically |
| 00:27.57 | lymeca | peterS: I don't think I'd call KDE 4 vaporware at all. |
| 00:28.01 | freenot | is it recommended to install packages as root or using sudo? |
| 00:28.05 | snowbird | my old 4.1 card aint to good |
| 00:28.15 | lymeca | It's quite on schedule actually. The first beta was release a few days ago. |
| 00:28.17 | neofpo | can anyone tell why FOSS world needs 2 different multimedia APIs? |
| 00:28.21 | peterS | freenot: you have to install packages as root. if you want to use sudo in order to become root, that works fine |
| 00:28.40 | freenot | peterS: i have added myself into /etc/sudoers |
| 00:28.42 | stoned | two? |
| 00:28.52 | neofpo | stoned: gstreamer and photon |
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| 00:29.07 | neofpo | stoned: ffmpeg is a mess... does not count |
| 00:29.08 | snowbird | my gstream crashed] |
| 00:29.15 | peterS | neofpo: only two? don't forget helix, jack, and the plethora of sound servers |
| 00:29.38 | stoned | peterS: you thief... stole the letters i was about to type ;) |
| 00:29.39 | neofpo | peterS: no, those does not handle containers and audio / video codecs |
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| 00:29.47 | hcy | please, someone tell me what to do about this libc6 error |
| 00:29.55 | neofpo | hcy: what error? |
| 00:30.25 | hcy | neofpo: apt-get won't install it |
| 00:30.36 | hcy | Preparing to replace libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 (using .../libc6_2.6.1-1_i386.deb) ... \n WARNING: POSIX threads library NPTL requires kernel version \n 2.6.8 or later. If you use a kernel 2.4, please upgrade it \n before installing glibc. |
| 00:30.45 | hcy | The installation of a 2.6 kernel _could_ ask you to install a new libc \n first, this is NOT a bug, and should *NOT* be reported. In that case, \n please add etch sources to your /etc/apt/sources.list and run: \n apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6 \n Then reboot into this new kernel, and proceed with your upgrade |
| 00:30.52 | peterS | hcy: that doesn't sound like an error, that sounds like a warning |
| 00:31.04 | hcy | et: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 00:31.06 | peterS | hcy: did it actually cause your install to fail? |
| 00:31.07 | neofpo | hcy: it is self explanatory for me |
| 00:31.15 | hunterp | i can't mount a usb drive. i get http://pastebin.com/m4e855067 help?? |
| 00:31.28 | hcy | peterS, neofpo: yes, it caused my install to fail. |
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| 00:31.58 | snowbird | i am of good night |
| 00:31.58 | neofpo | hunterp: "this is a bug in the application." |
| 00:32.06 | neofpo | hunterp: you already got it |
| 00:32.22 | neofpo | BRB |
| 00:32.38 | semprix | good evening/morning/afternoon |
| 00:32.50 | hcy | semprix: not quite |
| 00:32.59 | semprix | whats up hcy |
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| 00:33.18 | hcy | peterS: what do i do about it? it won't install anything else, apt-get's stuck on this error |
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| 00:33.30 | peterS | hcy: it tells you what to do |
| 00:34.05 | hcy | peterS: i have to get a new kernel? |
| 00:34.15 | abrotman | the horror! |
| 00:34.17 | peterS | what kernel are you running now? type 'uname -r' |
| 00:34.20 | hcy | peterS: i don't use etch |
| 00:34.31 | abrotman | do you use stable ? |
| 00:34.31 | hcy | petemc: 2.6.3 |
| 00:34.37 | hcy | sid |
| 00:34.41 | abrotman | uh |
| 00:34.43 | peterS | hcy: then read what the error tells you, and do what it says |
| 00:34.59 | peterS | hcy: I don't see why you're relying on reading answers from irc if you can't read answers from apt-get |
| 00:35.00 | semprix | abrotman, h0wdy |
| 00:35.03 | semprix | ;) |
| 00:35.06 | abrotman | hi |
| 00:35.26 | hcy | but why am i installing a new kernel? my kernel works just fine. all i wanted to do was apt-get gnochm |
| 00:35.43 | peterS | hcy: I don't see what is so confusing about "requires kernel version 2.6.8 or later" |
| 00:35.54 | abrotman | peterS: be a reading barbie |
| 00:36.02 | peterS | hcy: anyway, if your system works just fine, don't upgrade libc6, and it will keep working fine |
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| 00:36.30 | hcy | peterS: *bangs head into wall* but it just removed my kernel headers |
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| 00:36.39 | hcy | peterS: dondelelcaro said that was normal |
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| 00:36.50 | hcy | peterS: i was just trying to install gnochm |
| 00:36.53 | hcy | ugh |
| 00:36.58 | peterS | hcy: that's not the kernel headers, that is part of libc. ignore that issue, it is unrelated. |
| 00:37.12 | peterS | hcy: well, it is related in the sense that it is related to libc. but it is not related to your kernel compatibility issue. |
| 00:37.13 | neofpo | hcy: how can you have sid and 2.6.3? |
| 00:37.20 | peterS | neofpo: clearly he built his own kernel at some point |
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| 00:37.38 | hcy | peterS: so what can i do now, though, so that apt-get won't be broken anymore? |
| 00:37.38 | neofpo | peterS: why the hell run sid with an ancient kernel? |
| 00:37.39 | semprix | hcy, just install xchm |
| 00:37.50 | peterS | hcy: do what apt-get tells you to do. upgrade your kernel. |
| 00:37.57 | semprix | or try the chm plugin for firefox |
| 00:38.04 | abrotman | or just upgrade your kernel |
| 00:38.33 | hcy | :( i don't want a new kernel, this one works well for me, i hate compiling new kernels |
| 00:38.40 | hcy | sorry for whining |
| 00:38.46 | abrotman | don't compile one .. use a debian one |
| 00:38.49 | peterS | hcy: then don't compile new kernels. use a debian kernel. 2.6.3 is from 2004, we choose not to support it now. |
| 00:39.00 | abrotman | so does the rest of the world |
| 00:39.15 | peterS | _early_ 2004, I might add. looks like February. |
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| 00:39.41 | abrotman | peterS: i think they've discovered some security issues in the 2.6 series since then, right ? |
| 00:39.49 | peterS | maybe one or two |
| 00:39.56 | hcy | sigh, ok i guess i don't have a choice |
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| 00:40.10 | peterS | sarge shipped with 2.6.8, and people have been complaining for years now that sarge is ancient |
| 00:40.13 | semprix | hcy, just install xchm |
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| 00:40.14 | stoned | you always have a choice |
| 00:40.17 | semprix | its work just find |
| 00:40.20 | semprix | fine* |
| 00:40.25 | abrotman | or just update his freaking kernel |
| 00:40.29 | abrotman | he's running unstable |
| 00:40.34 | hcy | semprix: xchm complains of dependency problems now |
| 00:40.35 | abrotman | why run unstable if you never update your system |
| 00:40.50 | semprix | ok update the kernel then |
| 00:40.53 | peterS | semprix: that's not much of a solution. he will have the same problem all over again next time he wants to install or upgrade anything in sid. and there's not much point in running sid if you don't want to keep it at least somewhat up to date |
| 00:41.30 | semprix | so whats the point of running it and not updating it hcy listen to the guys :) |
| 00:41.49 | hcy | i do try to keep it somewhat up to date. ok, i will compile a new kernel. i've done it in the past, but they never seemed to work quite as well as my 2.6.3 kernel that someone else made for me who had a system almost identical to mine. |
| 00:42.12 | abrotman | how is 2.6.3 somewhat up to dat ? |
| 00:42.13 | abrotman | date |
| 00:42.23 | peterS | hcy: basically it's like this. the gnu libc developers are getting tired of supporting a whole separate codebase for use with kernels older than 2.6.8, and a newer and faster codebase that only works with 2.6.8 and up. so as of glibc 2.6, they've dropped the old one. |
| 00:42.42 | abrotman | yay! |
| 00:42.44 | hcy | peterS: i see |
| 00:42.53 | peterS | I don't know how they justify supporting the Hurd, mind you |
| 00:43.06 | hcy | peterS: ok, you've convinced me, i'm gonna compile a new kernel |
| 00:43.20 | krazykit | hcy, why compile? why not just install sid's latest kernel? |
| 00:43.23 | abrotman | just use the packaged one |
| 00:43.36 | peterS | hcy: if you want. debian pre-compiled kernels work very well. I bet your custom one won't be significantly better. but it's your call. |
| 00:43.58 | semprix | ok hcy is a bit confused now. |
| 00:44.21 | abrotman | 100% OT: how is that Gambit didn't make it into *any* of the x-men movies ? |
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| 00:44.31 | semprix | abrotman, due to his ability of throwing cards |
| 00:44.32 | semprix | lol |
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| 00:44.53 | abrotman | uhm .. the cards don't really have anything to do with it |
| 00:44.58 | krazykit | abrotman, he's too awesome for the movies? |
| 00:45.01 | abrotman | he can charge tons of stuff |
| 00:45.26 | semprix | no body can act as gambit for the movies? |
| 00:45.27 | peterS | oh, he has charge cards? |
| 00:45.35 | abrotman | discover! |
| 00:45.36 | hcy | peterS: the custom one had support for an old zip drive which i still use occasionally |
| 00:45.53 | hcy | peterS: and probably other stuff, which i can't remember now 'cause it's almost 4AM here |
| 00:45.54 | peterS | and debian kernels don't? let me check on that.... |
| 00:46.14 | abrotman | we'd need the config option i'd think |
| 00:47.21 | peterS | hcy: 'CONFIG_SCSI_IMM=m', is that it? that's in debian kernels |
| 00:47.28 | abrotman | # CONFIG_SCSI_IZIP_EPP16 is not set |
| 00:47.28 | abrotman | # CONFIG_SCSI_IZIP_SLOW_CTR is not set |
| 00:47.35 | peterS | hcy: also 'CONFIG_SCSI_PPA=m' |
| 00:47.35 | abrotman | only two ZIP items i see |
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| 00:47.41 | abrotman | dunno if they're even related |
| 00:47.54 | peterS | abrotman: the parallel port zip drives use the PPA or IMM protocols, if I remember correctly, depending on how old the drive is |
| 00:47.58 | hcy | peterS: i don't know -- how would i check? |
| 00:48.25 | hcy | peterS: it's parallel port |
| 00:48.25 | abrotman | hcy: check hyour current config for the option |
| 00:48.37 | peterS | hcy: yes. it is scsi-over-parallel-port, and those two config options are for two different forms of that, one for really really really old ZIP drives, one for merely really old ZIP drives |
| 00:48.47 | semprix | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_UNIX-HATERS_Handbook |
| 00:48.58 | peterS | (IMM is the newer variant, PPA is the older, as I recall) |
| 00:49.06 | hcy | abrotman: /boot/config-2.6.3 correct? |
| 00:49.11 | peterS | yes |
| 00:49.11 | abrotman | probably |
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| 00:51.14 | peterS | hcy: here we go. CONFIG_SCSI_PPA is "IOMEGA parallel port (ppa - older drives)" and CONFIG_SCSI_IMM is "IOMEGA parallel port (imm - newer drives)" |
| 00:51.16 | neofpo | hcy: why not try a lenny 2.6 kernel (let your older intact). If it works, then upgrade the libc6 |
| 00:51.16 | simonrvn | @dance |
| 00:51.43 | peterS | neofpo: chicken-and-egg problem - the lenny kernel image may require a newer libc6. the etch kernel image is more likely to work |
| 00:52.17 | neofpo | peterS: anyway, do in steps... |
| 00:52.25 | hcy | CONFIG_SCSI_PPA=m |
| 00:52.25 | hcy | CONFIG_SCSI_IMM=m |
| 00:52.25 | hcy | # CONFIG_SCSI_IZIP_EPP16 is not set |
| 00:52.25 | hcy | # CONFIG_SCSI_IZIP_SLOW_CTR is not set |
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| 00:52.32 | hcy | woops, sorry |
| 00:53.10 | hcy | peterS: both of those are set to 'm' |
| 00:53.12 | abrotman | looks like you're all set to go |
| 00:53.16 | abrotman | use a debian kernel! |
| 00:53.23 | peterS | hcy: right, that's how the debian kernel is set too |
| 00:53.40 | peterS | hcy: any other hardware questions about debian kernels? I know something about the subject |
| 00:53.58 | neofpo | hcy: I had some 2.6.8 on old servers, it was helll... 2.6 series only got better arround after 2.6.15... just as 2.4 series or 2.2 or 2.0.... |
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| 00:54.30 | peterS | I actually had a nice time with 2.6.3, when it was new. the input layer was great, as I was doing some low-level input-related hacking at the time. |
| 00:54.32 | hcy | peterS: well can i just try a debian kernel and see what doesn't work (if anything)? it won't remove my currently working one, right? where's there a how-to ? |
| 00:54.50 | abrotman | hcy: it won't remove it .. but it's likely to not boot |
| 00:55.15 | hcy | peterS: i've been having some usb problems lately - my printer's not recognized anymore... perhaps a new kernel will fix that too? |
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| 00:55.24 | peterS | hcy: it won't remove it. I don't know whether you will retain the ability to boot both kernels, or whether you'll have to hack /boot/grub/menu.lst later, but if you're using grub it will probably Just Work, with a dual-boot |
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| 00:55.41 | hcy | peterS: i use lilo, not grub |
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| 00:56.15 | peterS | hcy: in that case the dual-boot thing probably won't happen automatically. you might have to edit /etc/lilo.conf after installing the new kernel image, to make sure both kernels are listed there. but if you use lilo you're probably used to doing that sort of thing |
| 00:56.16 | hcy | peterS: ok, please point me to a step-to-step guide, if you know of one, so i won't have to pester you with questions about how to do it, and i'll let you know what happens once it's installed |
| 00:56.35 | hcy | peterS: yeah, i'm not scared of using lilo, i've done that before |
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| 00:56.38 | peterS | hcy: and as always, after editing /etc/lilo.conf you have to run /sbin/lilo to make the changes take effect |
| 00:56.48 | hcy | peterS: right, i remember that |
| 00:57.00 | hcy | peterS: so how do i get a debian kernel? |
| 00:57.12 | peterS | hcy: 'aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686' or similar |
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| 00:57.26 | hcy | similar? |
| 00:57.48 | peterS | well, you can say linux-image-2.6-486 if your CPU is at least 10 years old |
| 00:58.16 | peterS | or linux-image-2.6-k7 if you have a seventh-generation AMD chip (anything labeled 'athlon' or 'duron') |
| 00:58.22 | hcy | thank god it isn't 10 years old |
| 00:58.28 | hcy | it's a dell laptop |
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| 00:58.36 | hcy | which is probably also why the custom kernel worked better |
| 00:58.40 | peterS | Dell is an Intel fanboy so it'll be linux-image-2.6-686 then |
| 00:58.50 | hcy | thanks |
| 00:58.55 | peterS | if you want to be more specific, you can say linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 |
| 00:59.08 | peterS | that way you don't get a _new_ kernel image when 2.6.23 comes out and you 'upgrade' everything |
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| 00:59.34 | abrotman | yeah .. new kernels are scary! |
| 00:59.46 | hcy | peterS: k. problem - i don't have aptitude, i use apt-get. and apt-get is broken - complaining about libc6 |
| 00:59.50 | peterS | i.e., linux-image-2.6-686 will follow the latest in debian, whereas linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 will just stay put |
| 01:00.12 | peterS | ummm. well. |
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| 01:00.28 | unlink | is there a better way of enabling forwarding at boot than putting echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward in /etc/rc.local? |
| 01:00.41 | hcy | peterS: yeah i like the stay-put idea |
| 01:01.02 | hcy | but i need a way to get it to install this kernel :( |
| 01:01.05 | peterS | hcy: explicitly install your previous libc6 package (hopefully still sitting in /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_*.deb) using 'dpkg -i'. then start playing with apt-get. |
| 01:01.55 | peterS | there should be a way to cancel apt's notion that you want to upgrade libc6. but I can't remember how to do that |
| 01:02.17 | hcy | previous libc6 package is not there |
| 01:02.28 | hcy | peterS: do you mean by using "hold" ? |
| 01:02.31 | peterS | well, also try 'apt-get remove gnochm' just to make sure it doesn't think you want that right now |
| 01:02.49 | neofpo | hcy: why dont you use aptitude? |
| 01:02.53 | peterS | yeah you can try apt-get hold. I'm much better at this stuff in the interactive mode of aptitude, as opposed to the command-line mode of apt-get |
| 01:03.01 | neofpo | hcy: easier to fix all before set it to go. |
| 01:03.24 | hcy | neofpo: heh, i can't get aptitude if apt-get isn't working now, can I? ;) |
| 01:03.32 | neofpo | peterS: aptitude is THE package manager across all OSs... lacks only a gui |
| 01:03.33 | dondelelcaro | sure you can |
| 01:03.41 | peterS | hcy: oh you actually don't have aptitude on the system? must've installed awhile back, aptitude is certainly installed by default these days |
| 01:04.19 | hcy | apparently i don't have aptitude, no |
| 01:04.19 | abrotman | neofpo: it has a GUI |
| 01:04.19 | neofpo | hcy: aptitude will let you graphically (text curses) set up what to install or remove before go. Much easier than apt-get. |
| 01:04.28 | neofpo | abrotman: which one? |
| 01:04.32 | abrotman | the ncurses one |
| 01:04.42 | peterS | by graphical he means using textual line-drawing characters |
| 01:04.45 | neofpo | abrotman: I mean a X11 one |
| 01:04.49 | abrotman | wussy! |
| 01:05.09 | peterS | the Borland Turbo C school of GUIs |
| 01:05.25 | peterS | or did Turbo Pascal come first |
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| 01:05.41 | Pavel | But, it's mostly an aesthetic interest. |
| 01:06.18 | peterS | I love to see aptitude with its existing UI. mouse support using libgpm would occasionally be nice. libgpm is already priority standard so I think this could be done |
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| 01:06.28 | hcy | oy. hold doesn't fix it either. when i try apt-get install <the kernel>, it says: |
| 01:07.02 | hcy | The following packages have unmet dependencies: binutils: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.6-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13 is to be installed, libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.6.1-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13 is to be installed, locales: Depends: glibc-2.6-1 |
| 01:07.17 | neofpo | hcy: for the last time, open aptitude and try it from there |
| 01:07.27 | peterS | meh - you've upgraded binutils, libc6-dev and locales, eh? |
| 01:07.30 | hcy | neofpo: for the last time, i don't have aptitude |
| 01:07.42 | peterS | hcy: those are all expendable, you can remove those temporarily and reinstall them later |
| 01:07.46 | neofpo | hcy: ooops, sorry... then install it |
| 01:07.59 | hcy | peterS: it must've tried to do that when it was trying to upgrade libc6 or something |
| 01:07.59 | snowbird | then install aptitude if this room says u need it get it |
| 01:08.12 | peterS | hcy: might cause attitude problems with gcc or build-essential or whatever, I suppose just remove whatever complains, I guess, and keep track of package names so you can reinstall them later |
| 01:08.14 | snowbird | if this room says it wil bust pc u better not t do it |
| 01:08.16 | hcy | i can't install anything right now with apt-get complaining, guys |
| 01:08.32 | peterS | snowbird: he can't easily install aptitude without a working apt-get. it can be done but it's slightly painful. |
| 01:08.36 | neofpo | try # apt-get -f install |
| 01:08.39 | peterS | neofpo: won't work |
| 01:08.49 | hcy | neofpo: tried that |
| 01:08.57 | snowbird | oh i didn't know apt was froken |
| 01:08.58 | neofpo | hcy: try fixing the problem by hand with dpkg --force-all |
| 01:09.06 | neofpo | hcy: solve the dependencies yourself |
| 01:09.16 | abrotman | how about one person help hcy |
| 01:09.19 | neofpo | hcy: there is NO other way I guess. |
| 01:09.29 | peterS | neofpo: not true, I was getting him there |
| 01:09.35 | abrotman | instead of everyone giving him conflicting advice |
| 01:09.38 | neofpo | hcy: I am about to leave, this will take a while |
| 01:09.45 | hcy | peterS: thanks for your patience... yeah i'm doing it your way |
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| 01:09.59 | hcy | peterS: ok i'll remove binutils, libc6-dev and locales |
| 01:10.15 | peterS | hcy: right, libc6-dev might require removing gcc and g++ and such, just do those too. you can reinstall them later |
| 01:10.36 | neofpo | I goota go, bye |
| 01:10.53 | hcy | peterS: sheesh, there's a huge list of stuff depending on libc6-dev |
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| 01:11.31 | peterS | hcy: meh. it might almost be easier to download aptitude by hand and sort things out that way. http://packages.debian.org/aptitude and clicky clicky |
| 01:11.45 | peterS | hcy: also, I hate to say this, but I have to leave in about 3 minutes, so I don't think I can see this through |
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| 01:12.00 | hcy | peterS: oh, that's bad... |
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| 01:12.29 | peterS | hcy: I'll be back in ... about 2.25 hours. I'll check in and if you're still here, I'll see if you're still having problems |
| 01:12.42 | peterS | (2.25 meaning 2:15) |
| 01:12.55 | hcy | peterS: there's somewhere that has old debian packages, right? what if i went there and got an old libc6 deb? |
| 01:13.07 | hcy | peterS: thanks |
| 01:13.15 | peterS | hcy: well, packages.debian.org/libc6 has the etch version, 2.3.6-something-or-other |
| 01:13.21 | peterS | hcy: otherwise there is snapshot.debian.net |
| 01:13.22 | abrotman | and there's SDN |
| 01:13.38 | hcy | snapshot, right, that's what i was thinking of... anyway way of knowing which version's gonna work for me? |
| 01:14.07 | peterS | hcy: whatever they have in the 2.5 flavor. it is 2.6 that introduces the kernel version requirement |
| 01:14.07 | hcy | same version as libc6-dev ? |
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| 01:14.23 | peterS | hcy: and yes, if you just get the same libc6 as you already have locales and libc6-dev, that's simplest |
| 01:14.37 | hcy | peterS: and then i'll just install it with dpkg -i ? |
| 01:14.38 | peterS | hcy: as those 3 packages really have to stay in lock-step with each other (they are built at the same time) |
| 01:14.41 | peterS | yes |
| 01:15.03 | hcy | peterS: ok so maybe this is my best solution. after that, i can get the new kernel as you told me to? |
| 01:15.05 | peterS | so if you have to dial back to libc6 2.5, you also have to dial back to libc6-dev 2.5, matching version |
| 01:15.12 | peterS | I think so |
| 01:15.14 | peterS | however |
| 01:15.45 | peterS | the new kernel might require libc6 2.6, in which case you have to take the intermediate step of installing an _etch_ kernel. this requires putting etch in sources.list, then apt-get update, then apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 01:16.06 | abrotman | and don't forget udev! |
| 01:16.11 | peterS | hcy: good luck - back in a couple of hours |
| 01:16.14 | peterS | bah on udev *(: |
| 01:16.18 | peterS | -* |
| 01:16.19 | hcy | peterS: thanks |
| 01:16.21 | abrotman | heh |
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| 01:17.06 | wingot | Hey |
| 01:17.18 | wingot | How do I blacklist a module so it doesn't start at boot (pcspkr to be specific) |
| 01:17.25 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 01:17.25 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. |
| 01:17.33 | wingot | Thanks |
| 01:17.34 | abrotman | wingot: or google "debian blacklist pcspkr" |
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| 01:19.06 | wingot | abrotman: Yeah, but dpkg knows all, I just am still getting used to the commands :P |
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| 01:19.21 | abrotman | wingot: but google will probably hav ea better answer on that one |
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| 01:20.09 | wingot | Hmm, true, that file is the wrong file from its header comments |
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| 01:20.42 | wingot | !give wingot fail |
| 01:21.07 | wingot | I typed into the google search box of firefox "google blacklist pcspkr" :P |
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| 01:24.47 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 01:24.47 | dpkg | i guess qotd87 is <MaXoM> hello i have a problem with squirrelmail can i help you? |
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| 01:26.49 | Rykoshet | Every time I install and boot up linux (Ubuntu or Debian), my screen starts flashing different colours and patters. It's widescreen, connected over VGA. I have not set up any drivers for my vga card yet. Help? |
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| 01:27.27 | Gnu_Raiz | use text mode |
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| 01:27.49 | Rykoshet | and then....? |
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| 01:28.12 | Gnu_Raiz | tell us what card you have |
| 01:28.18 | Rykoshet | 5900XT |
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| 01:28.33 | Gnu_Raiz | ati, or nvidia |
| 01:28.36 | Rykoshet | nvidia |
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| 01:29.34 | Gnu_Raiz | should support that, use the nv driver for now, and then look to compile the nvidia after you read the howtos. |
| 01:30.00 | Gnu_Raiz | ,nvidia |
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| 01:30.34 | Rykoshet | Where can I get the nv driver? |
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| 01:30.39 | Rykoshet | To get to text mode I'll ahve to boot from CD |
| 01:30.53 | Rykoshet | And since it's netinstall I don't have any drivers on it |
| 01:31.17 | Gnu_Raiz | it is built in, its the vesa like driver, all you have to do is tell xorg to use nv instead of nvidia. |
| 01:31.43 | Rykoshet | I'm going to go try it |
| 01:31.50 | Rykoshet | I'll be back shorty after it fails |
| 01:32.05 | Gnu_Raiz | just msg dpkg with the word nvidia |
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| 01:32.58 | Gnu_Raiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.32 | abrotman | !Nvidia one-liner |
| 01:33.32 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 01:33.41 | narg | Is there any chance of split and cat corrupting an archive if it changes filesystems (ext3 -> vfat)? |
| 01:34.17 | dbmoodb | wait i'm confused why use nv if he already has the nvidia driver installed ? |
| 01:34.22 | Gnu_Raiz | why is it that everybot has a different way to invoke it on freenode. |
| 01:34.27 | dbmoodb | oh nevermind |
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| 01:35.07 | Gnu_Raiz | he needs some hand holding. |
| 01:35.22 | Rykoshet | I do indeed |
| 01:35.26 | dbmoodb | narg wtf ? |
| 01:35.46 | Rykoshet | I just booted up in command and my heart sank, but here we go |
| 01:35.46 | abrotman | it tells you jsut how to do it |
| 01:35.51 | narg | dbmoodb: eh? |
| 01:35.54 | Gnu_Raiz | looks like abrotman had it canned ready to go |
| 01:35.59 | dbmoodb | it changed filetype or you did ? |
| 01:36.27 | abrotman | narg: does it happen if you don't change filesystems ? |
| 01:36.30 | dbmoodb | you don't mean you moved it from a ext3 disk to a usb drive do you ? |
| 01:36.40 | narg | I'm not saying it happens. I'm asking WILL it happen. |
| 01:36.46 | dbmoodb | nope |
| 01:36.49 | dbmoodb | don't think so |
| 01:36.55 | dbmoodb | try it for your self |
| 01:37.10 | narg | It will take quite a while, so I wanted to make sure. |
| 01:37.19 | abrotman | narg: try it with a smaller file |
| 01:37.22 | dbmoodb | try it with a small file |
| 01:37.27 | dbmoodb | yeah mind reader abrot |
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| 01:39.01 | dbmoodb | wait what does narg mean by split and cat ? - does he mean he will split it up ? or what ? |
| 01:39.18 | narg | The split command than then cat'ing it together |
| 01:39.25 | dbmoodb | cat ? ... wtf |
| 01:39.29 | narg | ignore the than* |
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| 01:39.57 | abrotman | dbmoodb: man cat .. man split |
| 01:40.02 | dbmoodb | i am |
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| 01:40.04 | dbmoodb | reading now |
| 01:40.22 | dbmoodb | oh your print them together ? |
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| 01:40.55 | abrotman | Ronin: help! |
| 01:41.03 | narg | cat a b c > file gives a file with them combined |
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| 01:41.10 | dbmoodb | i was joking btw |
| 01:41.11 | Gnu_Raiz | Rykoshet: hows it coming |
| 01:41.35 | dbmoodb | ah rkyoshet get some irc console action happening on that net install of yours |
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| 01:42.17 | Gnu_Raiz | just do a basic install, get the base system loaded, don't worry about graphics yet |
| 01:42.18 | Rykoshet | nope |
| 01:42.26 | snowbird | lol |
| 01:42.35 | dbmoodb | yeah i was just joking with you oi snowbird where are you from again ? |
| 01:42.46 | Rykoshet | I'm staring at a command line trying to boot up my lovely new partition |
| 01:42.53 | richcollins | What is wrong with this: |
| 01:42.53 | richcollins | tail -f my_file | grep to_include | grep -v to_exclude |
| 01:42.55 | Rykoshet | But I'm persistant |
| 01:43.03 | richcollins | I don't get any output |
| 01:43.15 | Rykoshet | and I'll eventually get it (not to mention it'll be much sweeter when I do it myself) |
| 01:43.23 | abrotman | richcollins: there's nothihng to output maybe ? |
| 01:43.43 | richcollins | abrotman, I am getting a bunch out output if I leave out the final grep |
| 01:43.45 | dbmoodb | .... yeah lol. wait how do you do a grep exclude files .. that is so cool i didn't know you could do that |
| 01:43.51 | richcollins | some of it contains to_exclude |
| 01:43.52 | Gnu_Raiz | how many partitions are you going to use |
| 01:43.55 | richcollins | other lines don't |
| 01:44.02 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.04 | abrotman | richcollins: i'd have to see samples |
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| 01:44.12 | abrotman | !tell dbmoodb about grounding |
| 01:44.20 | snowbird | whats that |
| 01:44.41 | Gnu_Raiz | !partitioning |
| 01:44.41 | dpkg | well, partitioning is with "Ranish's partitioner" or with Partition Magic - personal edition |
| 01:44.56 | abrotman | useless |
| 01:45.01 | Gnu_Raiz | !partmon |
| 01:45.08 | snowbird | g parted is someting eh |
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| 01:45.12 | richcollins | abrotman, http://pastie.caboo.se/private/vbtfolzos4xwf4ofik |
| 01:45.18 | dbmoodb | thanks abrotman i got it already tho |
| 01:45.36 | snowbird | dbmood u reg i stll cant do someting |
| 01:45.45 | Gnu_Raiz | snowbird: no jfs support for resize, only copy ext2, 3 |
| 01:46.09 | Gnu_Raiz | might as well just use parted |
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| 01:46.18 | Gnu_Raiz | or fdisk |
| 01:46.21 | abrotman | richcollins: grep Completed | grep -v example |
| 01:46.30 | abrotman | Gnu_Raiz: jfs has grow IIRC |
| 01:46.41 | richcollins | abrotman, What is the difference? |
| 01:46.53 | richcollins | nothing |
| 01:46.58 | Gnu_Raiz | only if you have adjacent space available |
| 01:47.05 | abrotman | richcollins: the space |
| 01:47.10 | abrotman | richcollins: it's just something to try |
| 01:47.14 | richcollins | no that didn't work |
| 01:47.27 | richcollins | Also, 'Completed in' works by itself |
| 01:47.27 | Gnu_Raiz | I had a /usr partition that needed to be resized, but could not do it. |
| 01:47.57 | Gnu_Raiz | no room to expand to |
| 01:48.04 | abrotman | richcollins: i see that |
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| 01:48.19 | Gnu_Raiz | then when I unmounted it, no /usr/bin, so no programs. |
| 01:48.33 | Gnu_Raiz | talk about a pain. |
| 01:48.35 | richcollins | It is acting like the first grep isn't piping to the second |
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| 01:48.41 | richcollins | they both work by themself |
| 01:48.49 | abrotman | richcollins: try the inverse .. exclude first |
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| 01:49.27 | richcollins | abrotman, weird that works |
| 01:49.31 | richcollins | doesn't make any sense |
| 01:49.33 | richcollins | but it works |
| 01:49.33 | richcollins | thx |
| 01:49.45 | abrotman | richcollins: maybe ask #bash to see if they know |
| 01:49.51 | richcollins | k |
| 01:51.27 | Gnu_Raiz | after I made a bigger partition, and copied over /usr I had an empty partition in the middle of my disk |
| 01:52.04 | dbmoodb | ok i see that you mean about snowbird |
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| 01:53.59 | Gnu_Raiz | !jfs resize |
| 01:54.03 | Gnu_Raiz | just curious |
| 01:54.27 | dbmoodb | !jfs resize |
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| 01:54.31 | dbmoodb | nothing ? |
| 01:54.39 | Gnu_Raiz | looks that way |
| 01:54.53 | dbmoodb | sucks ... |
| 01:55.00 | dbmoodb | should be using ext4 by now |
| 01:55.05 | abrotman | Gnu_Raiz: man mount |
| 01:55.12 | abrotman | or ask google |
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| 01:56.34 | Rykoshet | ok, good news on my front |
| 01:56.48 | Rykoshet | I am finally logged in |
| 01:57.12 | Rykoshet | bad news: everything else |
| 01:57.29 | dbmoodb | how is that bad ? |
| 01:57.42 | dbmoodb | /ignore snowbird |
| 01:57.48 | dbmoodb | ops that failed.. oh dam |
| 01:58.05 | Rykoshet | I don't know, but I'm going to move my laptop next to my desktop and start trying harder |
| 01:58.18 | Gnu_Raiz | that was a waste, support jfs resize only on lvm |
| 01:58.23 | abrotman | you don't know how it failed? |
| 01:58.27 | abrotman | Gnu_Raiz: that's not what it says |
| 01:58.39 | dbmoodb | nar jfs is meant to be ok no ? |
| 01:58.43 | Gnu_Raiz | that is exactly what it sasys |
| 01:58.51 | abrotman | not in man mount |
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| 01:59.05 | Gnu_Raiz | show me a document that resizes like ext3 or ext2 |
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| 01:59.14 | abrotman | zfs ? |
| 01:59.26 | dbmoodb | ext4 ? |
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| 01:59.57 | Quintin | zfs looks cool |
| 02:00.06 | dbmoodb | what about xfs ? |
| 02:00.07 | Quintin | I don't know anything about it, but the flv vids on suns site were neat. |
| 02:00.18 | snowbird | ignore me? |
| 02:00.20 | Quintin | XFS pwns. because it has an X. I don't think further discussion is necessary |
| 02:00.27 | dbmoodb | damn right |
| 02:00.32 | snowbird | why? |
| 02:01.08 | dbmoodb | what xfs ? no it's not good at all |
| 02:01.10 | kkek | When I plug in a USB drive, debian automounts it. Is there a way to prevent it from automounting a partition with a particular label? (for example, I have a usb drive with two partitions... one labeled "linux" with an OS installed, and one labeled "data". Is there a way to prevent debian from automounting the "linux" partition) |
| 02:01.16 | dbmoodb | not for us atleast |
| 02:01.30 | Quintin | snowbird, to quote myself, 'because it has an X' Honestly though, for most applications, it is best by far |
| 02:01.36 | Rykoshet | could not find the package nvidia-kernel-common ?? |
| 02:01.48 | dbmoodb | ryksoshet get x running on nv first |
| 02:01.59 | Quintin | kkek, google for making udev rules. |
| 02:02.07 | snowbird | ignore what dbmoodb? |
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| 02:02.26 | dbmoodb | just ignore |
| 02:02.33 | Rykoshet | I have no idea what that means dbmoodb, sorry |
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| 02:02.48 | Gnu_Raiz | Rykoshet: just get a booting system, then we can fix x later. |
| 02:02.50 | t0thh | algum brasileiro ? |
| 02:03.00 | krazykit | !br |
| 02:03.00 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 02:03.04 | dbmoodb | thank you gnu comes in and saves my point. just get it working |
| 02:03.05 | zamuro | !br |
| 02:03.17 | dbmoodb | don't go for the fancy stuff. when your not even up and running yet |
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| 02:03.41 | Gnu_Raiz | I agree |
| 02:03.55 | snowbird | aint that the truth il nevor try fancy stuff |
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| 02:04.14 | Rykoshet | Booting system? Is that the same as a boot loader? |
| 02:04.34 | dbmoodb | yeah guys so the debian reference thing does it have a programming book on c in it ? i'm confused by it's description of .. b in ... |
| 02:04.57 | fldshjkd | Hello, Im running debian etch i decided to apt-get install xfce4 to play with it but it killed the x server, i decided to apt-get remove it but x is still dead, ive had similar things happen to x before i just don't remember the command to reconfigure x |
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| 02:05.12 | Gnu_Raiz | abrotman: yeah I seen that so how would you resize a partition if its in the middle of your disk partitions, the other partitions have little room to expand. |
| 02:05.14 | kkek | Quintin: I see that you can tell it to ignore a particular device (/dev/sdb1), but I don't see a way to tell it to only ignore /dev/sdb1 if the partition label is "linux"... am I missing something, or won't the udev rule prevent automounting of ALL usb drives? (I'm fairly new to linux, so I'm probably just missing something obvious) |
| 02:05.22 | Quintin | fldshjkd, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 02:05.22 | snowbird | i got in a book written down u ned me to fetch it |
| 02:05.28 | dbmoodb | buy a new hard disk |
| 02:05.30 | fldshjkd | thanks |
| 02:05.34 | Quintin | fldshjkd, OF COURSE, check the log. /var/log/Xorg* |
| 02:06.10 | Quintin | kkek, I haven't written rules for udev before, but it should be possible to do just what you want. you might ask #kernel or ##linux if no one else here can help |
| 02:06.19 | kkek | ok, thanks |
| 02:06.25 | Gnu_Raiz | dbmoodb: laptop already did that gone from 10 to 40 gig |
| 02:06.34 | dbmoodb | LOL |
| 02:07.02 | Gnu_Raiz | what happened I was compiling a kernel and ran out of space on /usr |
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| 02:08.13 | Gnu_Raiz | I only needed about 300 more meg, |
| 02:08.14 | snowbird | my etch aint xorg |
| 02:08.31 | abrotman | then you screwed up your etch |
| 02:08.40 | dbmoodb | only another 300 ? |
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| 02:08.43 | snowbird | maybe |
| 02:09.21 | dbmoodb | abrotman and why do you need a custom kernel |
| 02:09.21 | snowbird | acording to google age of install make is xorg |
| 02:09.22 | Gnu_Raiz | it made the image, but I did not trust it, my /usr was 100 |
| 02:09.31 | dbmoodb | btw have you done apt-get clean ? / autoclean ? |
| 02:09.55 | dbmoodb | that might free up some space |
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| 02:10.03 | abrotman | dbmoodb: you don't |
| 02:10.32 | dbmoodb | ops i meant wrong guy ... |
| 02:10.45 | dbmoodb | i was to ask gnu but got confused |
| 02:10.47 | Gnu_Raiz | sure do if you want thinkpad to work right. |
| 02:11.05 | Gnu_Raiz | just see the thinkwiki for details. |
| 02:11.08 | dbmoodb | ok. fair enough. |
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| 02:11.24 | fignew | Hi, Having a minor problem during install: The installer freezes after the CD-Rom detection routine. (blank blue screen) After approx 20 seconds of sitting there the kernel panics: ide-sync problem. happens under regular & expert installer (noapic/nolapic have not helped.) Any suggestions? |
| 02:11.30 | snowbird | think pad notpad |
| 02:11.33 | dbmoodb | but i think you should try apt-get clean / autoclean dpeending on your connection / bandwitdth allowance |
| 02:11.54 | snowbird | check ide jumpers change ide cable |
| 02:12.04 | snowbird | tahn maybe ide drive cuput like cd |
| 02:12.13 | t0thh | my kernel is amd64 , i want change it to 32 bits with apt-get, is possible? |
| 02:12.16 | dbmoodb | yeah fignew is the cd ok ? |
| 02:12.23 | fignew | it passed K3B' |
| 02:12.24 | Gnu_Raiz | x20 thinkpad p3 600 mhz |
| 02:12.28 | fignew | 's md5sum |
| 02:12.34 | snowbird | no the drive |
| 02:12.36 | abrotman | t0thh: on pure64 ? |
| 02:12.39 | dbmoodb | tothh why would you want that ? |
| 02:12.43 | snowbird | the cable |
| 02:12.55 | t0thh | in turion x2 |
| 02:12.58 | fignew | I assume |
| 02:13.00 | abrotman | hcy: how'd yo make out ? |
| 02:13.07 | abrotman | t0thh: pure64 or i386 ? |
| 02:13.12 | fignew | I installed FBSD a few week back |
| 02:13.21 | dbmoodb | yeah and ? |
| 02:13.22 | t0thh | turion x2 is 64 |
| 02:13.31 | hcy | abrotman: didn't work. i'm waiting around for peterS. unless you're willing to help me sort it out. |
| 02:13.43 | dbmoodb | so why do you want 32 ? |
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| 02:13.46 | snowbird | abortman that fella made half dozzen new names |
| 02:13.53 | abrotman | t0thh: dpkg-architecture .. what's the first line |
| 02:13.55 | abrotman | snowbird: leave me alone |
| 02:14.05 | snowbird | ok |
| 02:14.06 | dbmoodb | can we ignore him is there a command ? |
| 02:14.12 | abrotman | dbmoodb: you can |
| 02:14.22 | abrotman | hcy: you're still stuck instaling libc6 or the new kernel ? |
| 02:14.26 | dbmoodb | personally or get my irc client to ? |
| 02:14.35 | fignew | /ignore |
| 02:14.36 | abrotman | dbmoodb: /help ignore |
| 02:14.38 | Gnu_Raiz | dbmoodb: got a 2.6.22 on a 600 mhz running now, at least my sleep mode works/ |
| 02:14.38 | dbmoodb | i tired that |
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| 02:14.46 | abrotman | try reading it |
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| 02:14.51 | hcy | abrotman: both. i can't get a new kernel, or anything else, 'cause apt-get is stuck on libc6 |
| 02:14.53 | t0thh | con you help-me abrotman ? |
| 02:14.58 | dbmoodb | cannot - no such commandin this contenxt |
| 02:14.59 | abrotman | t0thh: i just did! |
| 02:15.08 | snowbird | i leave u alone |
| 02:15.12 | hcy | abrotman: i tried backtracking with snapshot but didn't work |
| 02:15.16 | dbmoodb | /ignore snowbird |
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| 02:15.39 | abrotman | hcy: so if you apt-get install libc6 linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 (you have a P4?) .. what happens ? |
| 02:15.59 | hcy | abrotman: i believe i need the 386 version |
| 02:16.02 | dbmoodb | hcy why are you on anything lower to start with ? |
| 02:16.13 | abrotman | hcy: what's your CPU ? |
| 02:16.22 | abrotman | dbmoodb: stop |
| 02:16.27 | t0thh | :( |
| 02:16.44 | abrotman | t0thh: you asked if you could have 32bit .. and i told you to look at the firs tline of dpkg-architecture |
| 02:16.50 | abrotman | and tell me what it says |
| 02:16.52 | dbmoodb | what why ? do you want an i386 ? ... debian by default by i686 on my laptop .... which is so old it's not funny. Ok i will stop and what you abrotman iam not familar with his case |
| 02:16.54 | hcy | abrotman: i believe it's a cellron 1.7 MHz if i remember correctly. a dell latitude laptop, about 5 years old |
| 02:16.56 | t0thh | oks |
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| 02:17.05 | t0thh | DEB_BUILD_ARCH=amd64 |
| 02:17.06 | abrotman | hcy: -686 should be fine |
| 02:17.11 | abrotman | dbmoodb: you're not helping |
| 02:17.11 | hcy | abrotman: ok |
| 02:17.14 | t0thh | how i can change it? |
| 02:17.16 | GhostlyDeath | awesome, flash works in epiphany |
| 02:17.17 | abrotman | t0thh: you can't have 32bit |
| 02:17.25 | abrotman | t0thh: why do you want 32bit |
| 02:17.30 | abrotman | streetshark: pick a nick and stick with it |
| 02:17.36 | dbmoodb | what did i jsut say abrotman - i said i would stop i don't think that requires an after thought comment |
| 02:17.40 | t0thh | becouse all the progs run in 32 like fine |
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| 02:17.50 | abrotman | t0thh: you'd have to reinstall to go back to 32bit |
| 02:17.58 | abrotman | dbmoodb: i can't understand anything you say |
| 02:18.03 | t0thh | báh |
| 02:18.07 | hcy | abrotman: ok, so apt-get install libc6 linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 gives me: |
| 02:18.13 | abrotman | !paste |
| 02:18.13 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 02:18.19 | Gnu_Raiz | I am still waiting for jfs resize suggestions, if no adjacent partitions have space. |
| 02:18.19 | dbmoodb | i cannot understand my self either today |
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| 02:18.26 | dbmoodb | sorry my head is still a mess |
| 02:18.34 | abrotman | then stop bothering us |
| 02:18.38 | t0thh | beryl run in ati xpress 1200 ? |
| 02:18.42 | abrotman | Gnu_Raiz: unionfs |
| 02:18.45 | hcy | abrotman: it's not long |
| 02:18.47 | dbmoodb | i said i will i'm just watching atm |
| 02:18.55 | abrotman | hcy: ah okay |
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| 02:19.01 | abrotman | dbmoodb: then watch .. be quiet |
| 02:19.02 | hcy | abrotman: The following packages have unmet dependencies: locales: Depends: glibc-2.5-1 E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 02:19.17 | abrotman | hcy: okay .. and apt-get -f install ? |
| 02:19.28 | abrotman | (you did do an apt-get update before you started all this right?) |
| 02:19.59 | t0thh | on instal how i select the 32 kernel ? |
| 02:20.15 | dbmoodb | just a piece of comment from my behalf - did you try to see if there wsa any more output to that hcy as in - because blah is not going to be installed ? |
| 02:20.30 | abrotman | t0thh: you have to reinstall the OS |
| 02:20.38 | t0thh | oks |
| 02:20.39 | abrotman | dbmoodb: i thought you were watching ... |
| 02:20.42 | t0thh | i do it |
| 02:20.45 | hcy | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/34567 |
| 02:20.49 | abrotman | t0thh: you want the i386 version |
| 02:21.11 | t0thh | in install can i change/select the kernel ? |
| 02:21.33 | abrotman | hcy: ah okay .. it wants you to add an etch source .. and then install the etch kernel |
| 02:21.53 | hcy | abrotman: this is sid, though |
| 02:21.56 | abrotman | hcy: so you'd add seomthing like "http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main" into your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:21.58 | abrotman | hcy: i see that |
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| 02:22.07 | Gnu_Raiz | that still did not answer my question, seems like you dont know, might as well admit it. |
| 02:22.13 | abrotman | hcy: then run apt-get -t etch linux-image-2.6 |
| 02:22.15 | dbmoodb | your on sid ... |
| 02:22.21 | hcy | abrotman: ok |
| 02:22.22 | abrotman | then use that kernel .. then finish your upgrade |
| 02:22.29 | abrotman | Gnu_Raiz: i just freaking told you |
| 02:22.34 | Gnu_Raiz | why would I replace a fs with another fs when I want jfs/ |
| 02:22.41 | t0thh | beryl run in ati xpress 1200 ? |
| 02:22.49 | abrotman | ask #beryl |
| 02:22.52 | abrotman | or #ati |
| 02:23.02 | fldshjkd | I tried reconfigureing x but x still wont load i get fatal server error: no screens found XIO: fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. The line above the arroe message says NV(0): No valid modes found and Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration, I tried running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root and i still have this problem |
| 02:23.04 | dbmoodb | ah maybe tothh |
| 02:23.26 | dbmoodb | you will need the ati card to be supported, it probably is you might need to run it under xgl |
| 02:23.47 | hcy | abrotman: ok, doing it... |
| 02:23.58 | hcy | abrotman: so i'm going to need to install two kernels, then? |
| 02:24.05 | abrotman | hcy: read on your paste .. from about line 30 down |
| 02:24.32 | abrotman | this whole process is screwy |
| 02:24.47 | hcy | abrotman: yes, saw that, just making sure i'm understanding correctly, because, like you said, it sounds pretty screwy to have to do it like this |
| 02:25.02 | abrotman | hcy: this is what happens when you don't update your OS for three years :) |
| 02:25.30 | dbmoodb | omg wow |
| 02:25.44 | dbmoodb | let me guy you an cd to burn etch onto man |
| 02:25.52 | hcy | abrotman: ok :) |
| 02:26.42 | Rykoshet | ./etc/apt/sources.list --- permission denied? |
| 02:26.46 | Rykoshet | I'm root, what gives? |
| 02:27.02 | dvs | Rykoshet: you need an editor |
| 02:27.09 | snowbird | right |
| 02:27.14 | dvs | Rykoshet: nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:27.17 | hcy | abrotman: # apt-get -t etch linux-image-2.6 // E: Invalid operation linux-image-2.6 |
| 02:27.27 | abrotman | hcy: apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6 |
| 02:27.46 | HomeRoey | gnight abrotman |
| 02:27.47 | hcy | abrotman: oh, hehe, sorry, should've noticed that... it's 5:30AM here and i haven't slept yet... |
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| 02:27.55 | abrotman | hcy: you sure you want to do this now ? |
| 02:28.08 | Rykoshet | Thanks |
| 02:28.29 | hcy | abrotman: i need to get my system working again, can't leave it broken. so yes, please, if you're gonna be around to help me, i'd really appreciate it if we could do this now until it's fixed. |
| 02:28.42 | abrotman | hcy: i'm around for about another 30-45 minutes |
| 02:28.56 | abrotman | hcy: though i'd guess peterS will return shortly after that :) |
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| 02:29.03 | hcy | abrotman: yeah, hopefully. ok, |
| 02:29.41 | dbmoodb | mmm got a q is it ok to run lenny ? or do you guys recommend a etch base with lenny packages if you want them ? (as in for a desktop ) |
| 02:29.49 | hcy | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/34569 |
| 02:30.00 | abrotman | !mmap |
| 02:30.00 | dpkg | it has been said that dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need |
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| 02:30.23 | Gnu_Raiz | dbmoodb: what packages you need from lenny. |
| 02:30.31 | dbmoodb | well pidgin, nmap etc would be nice |
| 02:30.44 | Gnu_Raiz | I run etch with a newer kernel, |
| 02:30.49 | dbmoodb | same gnu |
| 02:31.02 | dbmoodb | ah xorg, gnome ... etc |
| 02:31.18 | Gnu_Raiz | lenny is more stable then say ubuntu, so I say go ahead. |
| 02:31.27 | dbmoodb | i wish there was an in between testing and stable. |
| 02:31.33 | Gnu_Raiz | but it could break from time to time. |
| 02:31.34 | dbmoodb | for desktops |
| 02:31.35 | abrotman | there's etch with backports |
| 02:31.36 | hcy | abrotman: ok, i made an apt.conf file with that line... trying it now... |
| 02:32.25 | dbmoodb | is lenny as fast as etch ? |
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| 02:32.51 | hcy | abrotman: same error... so i should increase the value... |
| 02:33.05 | abrotman | yes |
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| 02:34.12 | Gnu_Raiz | i ran testing for years between woody and sarge |
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| 02:34.20 | Gnu_Raiz | did not have any problems |
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| 02:34.29 | hcy | abrotman: ok, now apt says it wants an explicit package, so i guess that's linux-image-2.6.22-1-686, correct? |
| 02:34.48 | abrotman | hcy: says what ? |
| 02:35.03 | narg | ext3 can be safely shrunk, correct? |
| 02:35.27 | hcy | abrotman: Package linux-image-2.6 is a virtual package provided by: (long list ) You should explicitly select one to install. |
| 02:35.37 | abrotman | hcy: pick a 2.6.18 one |
| 02:35.58 | hcy | abrotman: ok |
| 02:36.35 | hcy | abrotman: linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 then. trying... |
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| 02:39.09 | hcy | abrotman: no dice. http://paste.debian.net/34570 |
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| 02:43.20 | abrotman | hcy: did you run apt-get update before you tried that ? |
| 02:43.55 | abrotman | hcy: it's going to try to downgrade bits of your system |
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| 02:44.09 | abrotman | hcy: and you can't install aptitude ? |
| 02:44.15 | hcy | yes, well not after doing the apt.conf file thing. maybe i should try apt-get upgrade again then |
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| 02:44.32 | hcy | abrotman: without a working apt-get how will i install aptitude? |
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| 02:44.42 | abrotman | hcy: what happens when you try ? |
| 02:45.13 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, where can I get help about the parameters of the exportable directories in /etc/exports ? |
| 02:45.59 | abrotman | man 5 exports ? |
| 02:46.03 | hcy | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/34571 |
| 02:46.18 | abrotman | argh .. |
| 02:46.35 | hcy | abrotman: yeah |
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| 02:46.54 | gonzaloaf_work | abrotman, thanks |
| 02:47.09 | gonzaloaf_work | abrotman, how did you know that the help where in the 5 page |
| 02:47.16 | abrotman | man -k exports |
| 02:47.33 | abrotman | hcy: without trying to downgrade your system .. i'm fairly stumped |
| 02:47.58 | MTecknology | it's so exciting to connect to ssh.... |
| 02:48.01 | hcy | abrotman: what should i do? |
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| 02:48.56 | abrotman | hcy: you'd have to downgrade a pile of packages |
| 02:48.59 | abrotman | then upgrade them all again |
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| 02:49.22 | hcy | abrotman: *sigh* no better solution? then how do i do that? |
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| 02:50.05 | abrotman | hcy: i'm hoping for some more sane advice :) |
| 02:50.19 | hcy | abrotman: :) that would be nice |
| 02:51.03 | sophacles | hey all, im experiencing a problem with apt-get. specifically i get a segfault while its reading the package lists |
| 02:51.20 | sophacles | is there a way to fix this? |
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| 02:51.49 | abrotman | hcy: it appears you'd have to downgrade binutils and libc6-dev at the same time .. but that'd probably want to kill a lot of other stuff |
| 02:52.10 | hcy | abrotman: :( |
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| 02:52.33 | abrotman | yes .. not good |
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| 02:53.53 | hcy | abrotman: what should i do, then? how do i do it? |
| 02:54.28 | abrotman | hcy: you can try to install those packages from etch |
| 02:54.31 | Rykoshet | Ok, I updated my drivers (finally!!!) and no luck, I'm just going to try a normal 4:3 monitor |
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| 02:55.32 | hcy | abrotman: how? |
| 02:55.59 | abrotman | same -t technique |
| 02:56.18 | fignew | sophacles: I know there's a way to rebuild the dpkg database (but I don't remember) |
| 02:57.05 | abrotman | !very fubar status file |
| 02:57.06 | dpkg | ls /usr/share/doc | grep -v [A-Z] | grep -v '^texmf$' | grep -v '^debian$' |awk '{print $1 " install"}' |dpkg --set-selections then: # dselect --expert, or use this when all your backups of dpkg's status files are corrupt, or try the status file(s) in /var/backups first |
| 02:57.34 | dbmoodb | oh try the versa ones |
| 02:58.13 | hcy | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/34572 |
| 02:58.44 | sophacles | specifically it segfaults reading the file: security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages |
| 02:58.46 | abrotman | you'd have to force the downgrade |
| 02:58.47 | Rykoshet | OK, Still absolutely nothing, just a bunch of flashing coloured lines, in on a 4:3 monitor |
| 02:58.54 | dbmoodb | dude |
| 02:58.58 | Rykoshet | even with updated nv driver |
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| 02:59.08 | dbmoodb | up the xorg.conf file via the terminal, and changed the drivers from “nv†to “vesa.†After that and a reboot, Debian loaded fine except my screen was running at a really low resolution. If anybody has a similar problem and don’t have a dual boot |
| 02:59.22 | dbmoodb | try the versa and a reboot |
| 02:59.24 | abrotman | hcy: and i'm about to go .. probably a good time for you to take a nap and wait for peterS |
| 02:59.41 | Rykoshet | ok, will do |
| 02:59.45 | hcy | abrotman: ok, thanks for trying |
| 03:00.02 | abrotman | hcy: this is going to require a lot of work on your part |
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| 03:00.20 | dbmoodb | oh there is another way maybe - if you get the nvidia prop drivers |
| 03:00.46 | dbmoodb | nm you will need to do add stuff to sources |
| 03:00.53 | hcy | abrotman: yeah, i get that feeling :( i'm just gonna wait for peterS, though, he should be back in about half an hour, no point in napping |
| 03:01.07 | abrotman | hcy: except it's 6AM there :) |
| 03:01.17 | hcy | abrotman: yes it is :( |
| 03:01.20 | dbmoodb | hcy naps should be 20 minutes or less |
| 03:01.48 | hcy | abrotman: i don't know where peterS lives, but when he gets here, i want to have as much of his time as i can before he has to leave again, since like you say, this is gonna take a while |
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| 03:02.02 | hcy | and, dbmoodb, if i lie down now i probably won't wake up in 20 minutes |
| 03:02.09 | abrotman | hcy: it's not where you live .. it's the schedule you keep :) |
| 03:02.12 | dbmoodb | LOL i feel the same |
| 03:02.26 | hcy | abrotman: yes, that's true :) |
| 03:02.31 | dbmoodb | no that is not true |
| 03:02.55 | dbmoodb | your body has natural rhythms that are altered by light etc |
| 03:02.57 | yigal | its true iff the schedule one keeps makes living anywhere the same |
| 03:03.24 | dbmoodb | oh watch a documentary called eyes wide shut |
| 03:03.42 | abrotman | that's a kubrick film IIRC |
| 03:03.44 | yigal | dbmoodb: sounds like a good movie to go to sleep on |
| 03:03.51 | hcy | i've argued a number of times that now that we have electricity, we should do away with time zones - the whole world should be just one time zone |
| 03:03.51 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 03:04.03 | dbmoodb | hcy there is such a time |
| 03:04.08 | dbmoodb | it is called swatch time |
| 03:04.15 | dbmoodb | there is a funny video about it too.. let me find it |
| 03:04.15 | abrotman | pingouin_: but not everyone does that .. i know people that have been on a night schedule for years |
| 03:04.22 | hcy | in order for no one area to have a monopoly on daylight, we should make days 23 hours long instead of 24, or 25 if you want longer... |
| 03:04.23 | abrotman | pingouin_: and they prefer it that way |
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| 03:04.28 | hcy | and then we'll all take turns. |
| 03:04.53 | yigal | hcy: no that is retarded |
| 03:05.03 | hcy | yigal: nu, be'emet |
| 03:05.11 | abrotman | hcy: swatch internet time |
| 03:05.14 | yigal | hcy: cane |
| 03:05.48 | hcy | heh. |
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| 03:05.58 | Rykoshet | what's the linux equivalent to "find" a file? |
| 03:06.05 | abrotman | find |
| 03:06.07 | yigal | Rykoshet: find |
| 03:06.08 | hcy | Rykoshet: find |
| 03:06.08 | abrotman | or locate |
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| 03:06.23 | Rykoshet | I tried find xorg.conf and it says it doesn't exist |
| 03:06.30 | abrotman | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 03:06.35 | Rykoshet | locate did it though |
| 03:06.36 | Rykoshet | thanks |
| 03:06.37 | yigal | Rykoshet: did you just install your OS? |
| 03:06.48 | hcy | find / -iname xorg.conf |
| 03:06.49 | pingouin_ | doesnt 'locate' need to be perform after an updatedb ? |
| 03:06.59 | yigal | Rykoshet: if so then you may need to create a db of all the files on your hd |
| 03:07.05 | yigal | pingouin_: exactly |
| 03:07.05 | abrotman | pingouin_: yes |
| 03:07.06 | Rykoshet | pretty much yigal |
| 03:07.17 | dbmoodb | is x up for you ryko |
| 03:07.36 | yigal | Rykoshet: so either cron will do it for you over night or you can take charge and use '#updatedb' in a terminal |
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| 03:09.18 | Rykoshet | updated |
| 03:09.46 | Gokee2 | Anyone know if I can use ssh-copy-id on a port other then 22? |
| 03:09.47 | freenot | just added etch-backports main to /sources.list, update fails, try to import gpg-key for backports, will not work. do i need to import the gpg-key? |
| 03:10.00 | dbmoodb | yeah you can run ssh on any port |
| 03:10.03 | dbmoodb | i think |
| 03:10.04 | Rykoshet | Also, if I did apt-get update before, is that the same as updatedb? |
| 03:10.06 | abrotman | freenot: what key ? |
| 03:10.36 | Gokee2 | dbmoodb, Not ssh ssh-copy-id ssh you can just to -p number that does not work on ssh-copy-id |
| 03:10.40 | yigal | Rykoshet: awesome, what is the output for '$locate xorg.conf'? |
| 03:10.42 | yigal | Rykoshet: No |
| 03:10.50 | dbmoodb | oh really ? |
| 03:10.58 | Rykoshet | there's 5 |
| 03:11.05 | Rykoshet | 1 is /etc/x11/xorg.conf |
| 03:11.15 | Rykoshet | which I stupidly tried to open in vi and now I can't leave :) |
| 03:11.21 | yigal | Rykoshet: apt-get update deals with what packages your computer knows about, thats good to see :) |
| 03:11.31 | yigal | Rykoshet: :q |
| 03:11.58 | Rykoshet | no, seriously, how do I leave vi without destroying this file |
| 03:12.05 | yigal | Rykoshet: :q! |
| 03:12.40 | Rykoshet | good |
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| 03:12.47 | yigal | Rykoshet: good :) |
| 03:12.51 | Rykoshet | does that save any recordings I may have made? |
| 03:12.57 | Rykoshet | Because I made a lot :( |
| 03:13.05 | yigal | Rykoshet: no the '!' made it not write |
| 03:13.25 | Rykoshet | ok |
| 03:13.26 | yigal | Rykoshet: unless you used :w <-- before you used :q! |
| 03:14.03 | Rykoshet | no |
| 03:14.05 | Rykoshet | I tried :q |
| 03:14.14 | Rykoshet | it wouldn't let me, then I tried :q! and all was well |
| 03:14.39 | Rykoshet | is there a program I should be opening .conf files in? |
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| 03:15.14 | S4nD3r | Is there any sound themes to install in gnome? |
| 03:15.21 | yigal | Rykoshet: something you feel comfortable in, if you installed GNOME, blah probably gedit |
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| 03:15.41 | _ericb | hi all |
| 03:15.41 | yigal | S4nD3r: kind of but GNOME is still far behind kde |
| 03:15.43 | sophacles | Ok, so i determined for certain that something coming from this line in my sources.list: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main was causing apt-get update to segfault |
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| 03:15.50 | sophacles | who do i report that to? |
| 03:15.58 | mesof | does anyone know where fluxbox themes are located? |
| 03:16.03 | Rykoshet | I can't get gnome or anything GUI because of my drivers |
| 03:16.13 | Rykoshet | hence me trying to open xorg and fix it |
| 03:16.18 | S4nD3r | I prefer gnome, sorry yigal |
| 03:16.29 | dbmoodb | ok what graphics card do you have btw ? |
| 03:16.39 | Rykoshet | nvidia 5900xt |
| 03:16.40 | yigal | Rykoshet: use nano - this is usually suggested it is a simple editor - i personally like vi/vim but that can come later for you |
| 03:16.56 | Guerin | Rykoshet: use `nv' |
| 03:17.00 | irwiss | S4nD3r: apt-get show gnome-audio? |
| 03:17.00 | Rykoshet | I like enlightnment over gnome |
| 03:17.01 | dbmoodb | nope nv will fail |
| 03:17.02 | Guerin | !drxx |
| 03:17.02 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 03:17.05 | yigal | Guerin: thats cruel man |
| 03:17.08 | _ericb | I'm having an issue, since I updated from OSS to alsa, I have some various mixer issues. aumix don't work (error opening mixer), frets on fire report sound is not found, and /dev/mixer or /dev/dsp just don't exist. However amarok play sounds fine and I can ajust volume in alsamix. I have a sound blaster live 5.1. |
| 03:17.13 | yigal | Guerin: he's a noob |
| 03:17.14 | dbmoodb | try it but i think it will fail on you |
| 03:17.16 | freenot | abrotman: the public repository key |
| 03:17.19 | Guerin | oh, does nv not work with the new stupid nvidia cards? |
| 03:17.24 | Guerin | yigal: so? |
| 03:17.31 | Rykoshet | Tried nano, it had no data |
| 03:17.32 | yigal | Guerin: funny |
| 03:17.33 | dbmoodb | i have no clue try it |
| 03:17.39 | dbmoodb | oh WTF are you doing rykoshet |
| 03:17.47 | yigal | Guerin: you see he's a noob |
| 03:17.47 | dbmoodb | use dpkg-reconfig ... |
| 03:17.48 | Guerin | Rykoshet: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 03:18.13 | dbmoodb | he is not a noob he was doing it the 1337 way lol |
| 03:18.23 | yigal | Rykoshet: what kind of graphics card do you have? |
| 03:18.23 | Guerin | if your nvidia-SXC-b00bs-5,000,000 fails, go buy a $5 TNT2 |
| 03:18.29 | _ericb | Anyone have a suggestion on what to try ? I'm quite new to alsa and since so many stuffs work I don't really understand why aumix don't work. |
| 03:18.39 | Guerin | yigal: try to keep up, he mentioned it moments ago |
| 03:18.40 | mesof | where can i set font's used by x menus? |
| 03:18.45 | Rykoshet | 5900xt nvidia |
| 03:18.49 | Guerin | mesof: x doesn't have menus |
| 03:18.50 | yigal | Guerin: i need time to get a beer |
| 03:19.00 | S4nD3r | gnome is lighter than kde |
| 03:19.01 | dbmoodb | lol ryko try the versa, nv, drivers |
| 03:19.02 | Rykoshet | And dbmoodb, I'm trying to open up xorg and change it from vesa or nv |
| 03:19.07 | Rykoshet | hopefully |
| 03:19.12 | dbmoodb | which ? |
| 03:19.19 | dbmoodb | versa or nv ? |
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| 03:19.23 | Guerin | Rykoshet: don't. Use dpkg-reconfigure |
| 03:19.24 | pingouin_ | Guerin: i've just bought a 8800, work perfect |
| 03:19.32 | yigal | Rykoshet: yes thats exactly right, get 'nv' |
| 03:19.34 | Guerin | pingouin_: a'ight. |
| 03:19.52 | Rykoshet | NV |
| 03:19.59 | yigal | Rykoshet: lower case |
| 03:20.10 | Guerin | Rykoshet: nv should work. If it doesn't you've failed to set it up properly. |
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| 03:20.21 | dbmoodb | no guerin there are cases where it fails |
| 03:20.29 | mesof | Guerin: well how about the menu used by xmms, that is x right? |
| 03:20.36 | dbmoodb | if it fails either set up the nvidia prop one or use versa as a go between |
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| 03:20.41 | Rykoshet | This is what I type in |
| 03:20.42 | Guerin | mesof: no, that's gtk+ |
| 03:20.55 | mesof | what is audacity than? |
| 03:21.09 | mesof | er audacious |
| 03:21.11 | yigal | Rykoshet can you use pastebin ?, you might want to show us what you are doing |
| 03:21.22 | Rykoshet | OH NO NO |
| 03:21.28 | dbmoodb | what now ? |
| 03:21.29 | Rykoshet | I just did a apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 03:21.40 | Guerin | ... |
| 03:21.40 | dbmoodb | wtf did you do that for ? |
| 03:21.50 | Rykoshet | to find out if my card is supported |
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| 03:21.58 | dbmoodb | IT IS ok |
| 03:22.02 | Rykoshet | fine |
| 03:22.04 | pingouin_ | Rykoshet: your card is supported |
| 03:22.06 | dbmoodb | fine i will spoon feed you |
| 03:22.17 | yigal | Rykoshet: yes, don't worry about that |
| 03:22.24 | Rykoshet | no no don't |
| 03:22.30 | dbmoodb | uname -r what kernel ? |
| 03:22.35 | pingouin_ | Rykoshet: the problem come from elsewhere, the configuration of this damn xorg |
| 03:22.36 | dbmoodb | the stock right ? |
| 03:22.43 | Rykoshet | I don't think so |
| 03:22.48 | dbmoodb | you just installed |
| 03:22.49 | Rykoshet | I think it was the installation |
| 03:22.56 | Guerin | Rykoshet: you fail. |
| 03:22.58 | Rykoshet | it keeps telling me I have the latest nvidia-kernel-common |
| 03:23.02 | dbmoodb | that is great |
| 03:23.07 | dbmoodb | but you need the kernel headers |
| 03:23.14 | Rykoshet | but when I do apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-source |
| 03:23.20 | Rykoshet | it says Installed: (none) |
| 03:23.20 | dbmoodb | apt-get install module-assistant gcc nvidia-kernel-common |
| 03:23.25 | dbmoodb | do that |
| 03:23.30 | Rykoshet | ok |
| 03:23.37 | dbmoodb | m-a update and then m-a prepare |
| 03:23.44 | Guerin | no |
| 03:23.49 | Guerin | use nv |
| 03:23.54 | dbmoodb | m-a auto-install nvidia |
| 03:23.55 | Rykoshet | all installed already |
| 03:23.58 | yigal | Rykoshet: do you know about http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers ? |
| 03:23.59 | dbmoodb | yeah ? |
| 03:24.01 | Rykoshet | yes |
| 03:24.04 | Rykoshet | I'm following it |
| 03:24.11 | yigal | Rykoshet: good |
| 03:24.21 | Rykoshet | updating... |
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| 03:24.28 | pingouin_ | why dont you take the drivers from nvidia.com ? |
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| 03:24.43 | dbmoodb | no |
| 03:24.43 | DavidProck1981 | can someone help me with this.... |
| 03:24.48 | mesof | where are fluxbox themes located? |
| 03:24.52 | dbmoodb | lets do thsi the debian way |
| 03:24.54 | yigal | pingouin_: why not build a kernel from source - just kidding |
| 03:25.00 | DavidProck1981 | Usage: sdl-config [--prefix[=DIR]] [--exec-prefix[=DIR]] [--version] [--cflags] [--libs] [--static-libs] |
| 03:25.05 | Rykoshet | preparing |
| 03:25.08 | dbmoodb | cd /usr/src |
| 03:25.14 | dbmoodb | tar -zxf nvidia-kernel-source.tar.gz |
| 03:25.28 | DavidProck1981 | i need to se my sdl-config what would i put |
| 03:25.32 | dbmoodb | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.43 | Guerin | dbmoodb: please don't help him do this. |
| 03:25.47 | dbmoodb | fine |
| 03:25.50 | dbmoodb | i will stop it's stupid now |
| 03:25.56 | Rykoshet | auto-installing nvidia |
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| 03:26.02 | dbmoodb | i realise ... he has had enough spoon feeding |
| 03:26.02 | pingouin_ | yigal: sorry, i always find the debian way to install nvidia a little bit...hard....instead of an sh drivers, and more up-to-date maybe |
| 03:26.14 | Guerin | dbmoodb: help him use the nvidia one-liner - but if he sets it up like this he'll likely fuck it up, and then WE (not you) will have to fix it |
| 03:26.28 | dbmoodb | ok fine your got a good point there |
| 03:26.38 | Rykoshet | If I do, it's another fresh install and back to square 1 (with more knowledge) |
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| 03:26.49 | yigal | Rykoshet: no, no not that bad |
| 03:27.00 | Guerin | Rykoshet: there's no need for that; just /msg dpkg set up x like I told you |
| 03:27.00 | dbmoodb | ok yeah good point if he cannot ... do this atm he will learn from it |
| 03:27.09 | DavidProck1981 | HELLO! |
| 03:27.11 | dbmoodb | Rykoshet linux is NOT WINDOWS |
| 03:27.40 | Guerin | Rykoshet: once you have x set up using the nv driver you can go about learning about how shit works and perhaps do nvidia at a later date. |
| 03:27.49 | Guerin | !irritate DavidProck1981 |
| 03:27.49 | dpkg | DavidProck1981: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how does I run teh grafixx windows U FUX0RZ |
| 03:28.00 | krazykit | Guerin, you're so cruel |
| 03:28.09 | dbmoodb | lol he is |
| 03:28.17 | Guerin | i'm not cruel, i'm pragmatic |
| 03:28.18 | DavidProck1981 | that is nto a noob question |
| 03:28.32 | dbmoodb | we know |
| 03:28.36 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 03:28.50 | pingouin_ | X always painfull.... |
| 03:29.05 | DavidProck1981 | Usage: sdl-config [--prefix[=DIR]] [--exec-prefix[=DIR]] [--version] [--cflags] [--libs] [--static-libs] |
| 03:29.05 | DavidProck1981 | i need to set my sdl-config and i dont know what to put |
| 03:29.15 | Rykoshet | It's finally registering as installed |
| 03:29.15 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: man sdl-config |
| 03:29.18 | Rykoshet | let's give it a shot |
| 03:29.23 | dbmoodb | startx ? |
| 03:29.23 | yigal | DavidProck1981: oh please don't paste the man file |
| 03:29.38 | dbmoodb | btw how does one use that paste site ? |
| 03:30.01 | yigal | dbmoodb: just go to it and paste in it and it will give you a url to paste in here |
| 03:30.10 | dbmoodb | oh where is it btw ? |
| 03:30.25 | Rykoshet | Congratulations everybody, we have failure!!! |
| 03:30.29 | dbmoodb | url hint hint |
| 03:30.37 | dbmoodb | lsmod | grep nvidia |
| 03:30.53 | yigal | Rykoshet: sometimes a reboot will do wonders |
| 03:31.03 | Rykoshet | I just came out of a reboot |
| 03:31.10 | Rykoshet | had to load up the old GUI |
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| 03:31.36 | pingouin_ | check the /var/log/Xorg.0.log maybe ? |
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| 03:31.45 | dbmoodb | nar reboot and then recheck it |
| 03:31.56 | yigal | Rykoshet: reboot |
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| 03:32.02 | yigal | Rykoshet: reboot ;) |
| 03:32.07 | dbmoodb | he heard you |
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| 03:32.18 | Rykoshet | fine |
| 03:32.23 | pingouin_ | yigal: freeze ;) |
| 03:32.29 | yigal | dbmoodb: its like telling a frat boy to chg another beer its not for him to hear its for me to say |
| 03:32.35 | Guerin | if only commands like this were obeyed |
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| 03:32.46 | Rykoshet | ok, rebooted |
| 03:32.50 | Rykoshet | try the GUI again? |
| 03:33.01 | dbmoodb | i don't foolow that yigal ? |
| 03:33.12 | dbmoodb | i'm not american sorry |
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| 03:33.18 | Rykoshet | british? |
| 03:33.27 | dbmoodb | worse, Australian with eu roots |
| 03:33.27 | Rykoshet | It's like telling an irish man to drink more |
| 03:33.37 | dbmoodb | i get that |
| 03:33.41 | yigal | dbmoodb: good |
| 03:33.47 | DavidProck1981 | ok now i really dont know what to do, the man page confuse me |
| 03:33.52 | snowbird | aus is night time |
| 03:34.00 | dbmoodb | no it is day time snowbird |
| 03:34.09 | dbmoodb | it is 13:34 |
| 03:34.10 | snowbird | cool were in aus |
| 03:34.13 | yigal | DavidProck1981: man pages == dammit man pages |
| 03:34.16 | Rykoshet | nope |
| 03:34.20 | snowbird | sory if am pest |
| 03:34.21 | DavidProck1981 | ? |
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| 03:34.25 | Rykoshet | Maybe 1 more reboot will do the trick, what do you think? |
| 03:34.34 | dbmoodb | no snowbird, but do you leave this place ? |
| 03:34.45 | snowbird | some time |
| 03:34.46 | yigal | Rykoshet: no |
| 03:34.49 | dbmoodb | no rykoshet do the lsmod |
| 03:34.49 | dbmoodb | grep nvidia |
| 03:34.59 | Rykoshet | I was being sarcastic |
| 03:35.03 | dbmoodb | lsmod | grep nvidia |
| 03:35.07 | yigal | dito |
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| 03:35.55 | dbmoodb | ryko ? |
| 03:36.03 | Rykoshet | Yeah? |
| 03:36.11 | Rykoshet | I'm doing it don't worry |
| 03:36.19 | Rykoshet | You just gotta give me time to google some terms |
| 03:36.22 | dbmoodb | ok well i'm concerned that the versa driver didn't work |
| 03:36.22 | DavidProck1981 | sdl-config --prefix --exec-prefix so is that what i do |
| 03:37.07 | DavidProck1981 | 127:/home/prock# sdl-config --prefix --exec-prefix |
| 03:37.07 | DavidProck1981 | /usr |
| 03:37.07 | DavidProck1981 | 127:/home/prock# |
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| 03:37.27 | yigal | Bye bye david |
| 03:37.31 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 03:37.34 | dbmoodb | it is time to go |
| 03:37.48 | dbmoodb | i mean laughs * |
| 03:37.57 | Rykoshet | good night then |
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| 03:38.04 | Rykoshet | or would it be morning for the aussies? |
| 03:38.10 | dbmoodb | afternoon |
| 03:38.16 | dbmoodb | lunch time actually |
| 03:38.29 | DavidProck1981 | 127:/home/prock# sdl-config --prefix --exec-prefix |
| 03:38.29 | DavidProck1981 | /usr |
| 03:38.37 | DavidProck1981 | that is what it returned |
| 03:38.38 | dbmoodb | calm down david |
| 03:38.46 | Rykoshet | Ahh |
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| 03:38.59 | DavidProck1981 | so what dir should i specify |
| 03:39.06 | dbmoodb | what dir is it in ? |
| 03:39.19 | DavidProck1981 | dont know, that is what im asking |
| 03:39.29 | dbmoodb | well where do you want to run it ? |
| 03:39.37 | dbmoodb | /usr doesn't seem like the place to me |
| 03:39.41 | yigal | i miss Guerin insaulting everyone |
| 03:39.55 | DavidProck1981 | that is what it was by default , and that dont sound sorrect |
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| 03:40.04 | DavidProck1981 | it needs to be set |
| 03:40.11 | dbmoodb | good |
| 03:40.14 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.24 | dbmoodb | oh i get it it wants the libs |
| 03:40.36 | dbmoodb | give it the libs |
| 03:40.43 | DavidProck1981 | i dont know what the means |
| 03:40.50 | dbmoodb | liberies ... |
| 03:41.00 | dbmoodb | libraries * |
| 03:41.06 | DavidProck1981 | i know that but what |
| 03:41.06 | yigal | DavidProck1981: usually libs are in /usr/lib |
| 03:41.28 | DavidProck1981 | so can u make an example of hte command |
| 03:41.41 | yigal | DavidProck1981: in the readme of what ever you are building they should tell you what you need to make the package |
| 03:41.42 | Rykoshet | I think I might have figured it out |
| 03:41.45 | Rykoshet | Hallelujah!!! |
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| 03:41.59 | dbmoodb | finally |
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| 03:42.43 | S4nD3r | xfce is the faster IDE Ive seeing |
| 03:42.50 | dbmoodb | what about blackbox ? |
| 03:43.02 | dbmoodb | englightenmnet ? |
| 03:43.08 | snowbird | blackbox is addon |
| 03:43.13 | S4nD3r | englightenment i loved |
| 03:43.15 | dbmoodb | for linux |
| 03:43.22 | S4nD3r | but I didnt get install |
| 03:43.32 | dbmoodb | apt-get install ... |
| 03:43.34 | Rykoshet | 1 question |
| 03:43.35 | S4nD3r | yeah |
| 03:43.39 | Rykoshet | do I need to worry about caps? |
| 03:43.42 | S4nD3r | I will try tomorrow |
| 03:43.51 | Rykoshet | is /x11/ = /X11/ ? |
| 03:43.54 | S4nD3r | I will not use gnome anymore |
| 03:43.54 | dbmoodb | no |
| 03:43.55 | S4nD3r | lol |
| 03:44.02 | snowbird | you got me scrating noging i forget waht dsl had an d text browser p 75 wit 32 megs ram lap top |
| 03:44.05 | Rykoshet | no worry or no it's not hte same? |
| 03:44.11 | dbmoodb | it's not |
| 03:44.12 | snowbird | let me me go fire it up |
| 03:44.16 | Rykoshet | ok :( |
| 03:44.16 | dbmoodb | ok i want to prove this to you |
| 03:44.19 | Guerin | Rykoshet: you need to go and read some documentations. |
| 03:44.21 | dbmoodb | open xterm or a terminal |
| 03:44.22 | Guerin | !grounding |
| 03:44.22 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 03:44.24 | Rykoshet | I am |
| 03:44.29 | Rykoshet | And I'm setting it up |
| 03:44.30 | Guerin | Rykoshet: ↑ go start there |
| 03:44.37 | Rykoshet | When I'm done failing |
| 03:44.39 | Rykoshet | hold on |
| 03:44.40 | DavidProck1981 | S4nD3r u think xfce is fast, tri ion3 |
| 03:44.45 | dbmoodb | type /etc/ then x |
| 03:44.49 | dbmoodb | then tab |
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| 03:45.18 | dbmoodb | what happens ? nothing right nothing shows up your system might beep then, ok now type /etc/X and press tab what happens ? |
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| 03:45.39 | S4nD3r | ion3 ??? |
| 03:45.40 | DavidProck1981 | dbmoodb dont forget tabcomplete is case sensitive |
| 03:45.49 | dbmoodb | good point |
| 03:45.51 | S4nD3r | Is possible to install using aptg-get? |
| 03:45.51 | DavidProck1981 | etc/X |
| 03:45.58 | dbmoodb | that is not a fair test |
| 03:46.01 | Rykoshet | I SEE... |
| 03:46.07 | dbmoodb | you would have to type it |
| 03:46.22 | DavidProck1981 | S4nD3r ion3 is a window manager |
| 03:46.35 | dbmoodb | great this is the second time in two days i have been showed up by karl popper |
| 03:46.37 | S4nD3r | Id like to install WM fast and with complete menu |
| 03:46.41 | ampex2 | is there a way I can determine when I installed apache2 and what else I installed at the same time? |
| 03:46.46 | S4nD3r | with all applications that are installed in my box |
| 03:46.49 | dbmoodb | yeah s4nd3r it's called gnome |
| 03:47.12 | dbmoodb | it comes as the default one |
| 03:47.19 | Rykoshet | how can I get my video car's bus identifier? |
| 03:47.22 | Guerin | ampex2: not reliably. If you used aptitude or did it recently you can go back and read the logs. Otherwise look at the ctime stamps in /usr/share/doc |
| 03:47.29 | Guerin | Rykoshet: WIDHE |
| 03:47.33 | dbmoodb | Rykoshet it dpkg will get it for you |
| 03:47.34 | S4nD3r | gnome is not faster as xfce |
| 03:47.35 | Rykoshet | err, too late for that |
| 03:47.37 | DavidProck1981 | S4nD3r if u have a desktop inviroment installed u can still use them on ion3 |
| 03:47.50 | Rykoshet | it's asking me to input one...do I leave it as default? |
| 03:47.52 | dbmoodb | i think ryko is finally using dpkg-reconfigure wow |
| 03:47.53 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: not really. |
| 03:47.54 | simonrvn | !widhe |
| 03:47.54 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 03:47.57 | S4nD3r | DavidHKMrPowers, how to install ion3? |
| 03:48.10 | Rykoshet | it's PCI:1:0:0...do I leave that, even though it's an AGP card? |
| 03:48.13 | dbmoodb | good hit enter |
| 03:48.15 | Guerin | fcuk's sakes, the moronitude in here is overpowering |
| 03:48.16 | Rykoshet | all right |
| 03:48.23 | simonrvn | Rykoshet: that is the agp slot |
| 03:48.29 | krazykit | Guerin, it's almost like a sunday :o |
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| 03:48.29 | dbmoodb | look guerin he is a learning guy |
| 03:48.40 | DavidProck1981 | Guerin well when i did have kde and gnome i used apps from those on ion3 |
| 03:48.49 | Guerin | krazykit: worse than most sundays. Is it a holiday in USia or something? |
| 03:48.52 | dbmoodb | we don't want the potential debian users to shy away now |
| 03:49.01 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: you can do that, but that's not what you said. |
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| 03:49.03 | dbmoodb | LOL your funny |
| 03:49.10 | simonrvn | "you're" |
| 03:49.13 | dbmoodb | i know |
| 03:49.20 | snowbird | hey simonrvn |
| 03:49.21 | Guerin | my funny what? |
| 03:49.22 | dbmoodb | it's american |
| 03:49.30 | DavidProck1981 | Guerin hell i even got gnome to run inside of one of hte frames in ion3 |
| 03:49.31 | dbmoodb | for i cannot speak real english |
| 03:49.33 | hcy | peterS: are you back? |
| 03:49.34 | krazykit | Guerin, not that I know of... not that i'd know, seeing as i work on holidays anyway |
| 03:49.45 | Gnu_Raiz | you could be like abortman and blow smoke up my butt, |
| 03:50.00 | Gnu_Raiz | just because he doesn't know a question. |
| 03:50.06 | simonrvn | dbmoodb: so if you know why did you type that anyway? ... |
| 03:50.07 | snowbird | i can't spell english |
| 03:50.12 | simonrvn | snowbird: hi |
| 03:50.22 | dbmoodb | oh because it was for effect |
| 03:50.27 | snowbird | i got cheep router on way almost got trendnet |
| 03:50.28 | simonrvn | right |
| 03:50.28 | dbmoodb | i might of lapsed for a second |
| 03:50.34 | dbmoodb | or 3 |
| 03:50.35 | snowbird | just to do for know |
| 03:50.39 | simonrvn | you're so believable |
| 03:50.49 | simonrvn | snowbird: whatever works :) |
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| 03:50.53 | dbmoodb | ok i didn't think about it at the time |
| 03:51.07 | dbmoodb | this is similar to msn, and on msn i don't think so i try to avoid msn |
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| 03:51.14 | snowbird | yeah thats true i have belkin i don't like still in box |
| 03:51.21 | simonrvn | dbmoodb: i guess you wouldn't the bridge i have for sale |
| 03:51.21 | DavidProck1981 | this time now that i formated i have no kde , gnome , ect. libs on my system |
| 03:51.25 | snowbird | next is 3 com and new dlink |
| 03:51.27 | simonrvn | wouldn't want* |
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| 03:51.35 | dbmoodb | i'm sorry simon ? |
| 03:51.39 | dbmoodb | come again ? |
| 03:51.42 | loupgaroublond | DavidProck1981, do you have a screenshot of that? i'm really curious :P |
| 03:51.53 | DavidProck1981 | of waht ion3 |
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| 03:51.56 | simonrvn | why should i expend the effort in repeating myself |
| 03:52.03 | snowbird | right |
| 03:52.12 | dbmoodb | simonrnv your british no ? |
| 03:52.40 | simonrvn | no. are you? |
| 03:52.41 | snowbird | i live eat sleep breth here no rest for me |
| 03:52.41 | DavidProck1981 | loupgaroublond, of what my desktop |
| 03:52.41 | Rykoshet | here goes nothing |
| 03:52.41 | El_Guillermo | awesome |
| 03:52.41 | Rykoshet | I've done everything as I should have |
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| 03:52.41 | bthomas | hi, my system (debian/etch) just crashed and on rebooting no desktop (kde/gnome/fvwm etc) manages to launch completely . Can't figure out what is going on ?? No error messages! |
| 03:52.41 | simonrvn | snowbird: heh. maybe time to take a breather =) |
| 03:52.41 | dbmoodb | simon no really - where are you from you don't seem american to me |
| 03:52.45 | Rykoshet | It's up to the machine now |
| 03:52.52 | snowbird | yeah waiting for dsl |
| 03:53.05 | simonrvn | dbmoodb: more "american" than "americans" |
| 03:53.13 | snowbird | from rusha |
| 03:53.14 | dbmoodb | sorry ? |
| 03:53.21 | simonrvn | snowbird: o_O |
| 03:53.22 | Rykoshet | YAAAAAAAAAAAAAY |
| 03:53.27 | Rykoshet | I see a beautiful screen |
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| 03:53.31 | snowbird | rusha is nice |
| 03:53.42 | Rykoshet | HALLELUJAH!!! |
| 03:53.44 | loupgaroublond | yeah, gnome inside ion3 |
| 03:53.48 | simonrvn | Rykoshet: \o/ |
| 03:53.57 | dbmoodb | fine you don't appear to be from the United states of america - between alaska and mexico exluding canda |
| 03:54.01 | DavidProck1981 | one moment |
| 03:54.03 | Guerin | simonrvn: when did your lot immigrade, anyway? ~30,000BC? |
| 03:54.09 | Guerin | immigrate, even |
| 03:54.11 | simonrvn | what i thoughht, clueless |
| 03:54.15 | DavidProck1981 | i did save a pic |
| 03:54.18 | loupgaroublond | DavidProck1981, well, you said earlier, you got all of gnome in a single frame in ion3, i was curious what that looks like |
| 03:54.23 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.24 | simonrvn | Guerin: 20-50K give or take |
| 03:54.45 | dbmoodb | simonrnv where are you from ? |
| 03:54.47 | Rykoshet | This is the greatest feeling in my life |
| 03:54.52 | simonrvn | turtle island |
| 03:54.58 | dbmoodb | which is where ? |
| 03:55.02 | snowbird | qubeck |
| 03:55.07 | simonrvn | western hemisphere |
| 03:55.10 | dbmoodb | seriously ? |
| 03:55.18 | dbmoodb | wow i'm in the eastern hemisphere |
| 03:55.22 | snowbird | canada french man |
| 03:55.27 | simonrvn | not from 'quebec', just living there right now |
| 03:55.27 | DavidProck1981 | file:///mnt/BackUp/www/ion+gnome.jpg |
| 03:55.29 | snowbird | me thinks hes french |
| 03:55.29 | dbmoodb | try the north south now - we can zone in |
| 03:55.34 | simonrvn | snowbird: nope |
| 03:55.39 | DavidProck1981 | u got a place i can upload it |
| 03:55.44 | krazykit | DavidProck1981, you have to put it on the web, you know. we can't access your filesystem |
| 03:55.46 | snowbird | not got french blonde some were |
| 03:55.49 | dbmoodb | so simonrnv your bilingual ? |
| 03:55.57 | loupgaroublond | DavidProck1981, if #ion's like it used to be when i hung out there, i'm suprised you're alive after you showed that ;) |
| 03:55.59 | Guerin | !your |
| 03:55.59 | dpkg | your is probably the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
| 03:56.11 | loupgaroublond | DavidProck1981, imageshack.us? |
| 03:56.18 | dbmoodb | no seriously simonrnv ? |
| 03:56.22 | simonrvn | snowbird: no hehe |
| 03:56.32 | DavidProck1981 | loupgaroublond who alive, what? |
| 03:56.45 | snowbird | nice blonde heer snores worth than a dog |
| 03:56.55 | snowbird | cooks so bad dog buries it |
| 03:56.57 | DavidProck1981 | loupgaroublond brb |
| 03:57.02 | dbmoodb | snowbird shut up |
| 03:57.04 | loupgaroublond | eh w/e |
| 03:57.09 | streuner_ | Guerin: /nick Holy_Cow |
| 03:57.10 | loupgaroublond | showering |
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| 03:57.46 | simonrvn | snowbird: i'm working on being multilingual actually |
| 03:57.47 | dbmoodb | simonrvn where are you from i would like to know |
| 03:57.54 | Guerin | streuner_: /nick kick_me ;) |
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| 03:58.07 | Guerin | dbmoodb: he told you already |
| 03:58.11 | dbmoodb | where ? |
| 03:58.12 | dbmoodb | i missed it |
| 03:58.16 | Guerin | turtle island, ffs |
| 03:58.20 | snowbird | cool simonrvn iam working on spelling not break pc |
| 03:58.28 | dbmoodb | really ? |
| 03:58.33 | Guerin | NO SHIT |
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| 03:58.42 | DavidProck1981 | loupgaroublond http://aycu14.webshots.com/image/24013/2002492489973275587_rs.jpg |
| 03:58.44 | simonrvn | it's the english name |
| 03:58.45 | dbmoodb | doesn't sound real to me |
| 03:58.53 | dbmoodb | fiji ? |
| 03:58.55 | Guerin | dbmoodb: doesn't have to *sound* real. |
| 03:58.56 | simonrvn | it is. more real than the u.s. or canada |
| 03:59.09 | Rykoshet | Now a question to you all |
| 03:59.14 | dondelelcaro | dbmoodb: if you aren't going to believe what he says, why ask? Plus it's totally OT here anyway. |
| 03:59.16 | Rykoshet | What IRC client do you suggest for linux? |
| 03:59.22 | simonrvn | (or mexico) |
| 03:59.23 | Guerin | !best irc client |
| 03:59.23 | dpkg | i heard irssi-text is probably the best IRC client |
| 03:59.31 | simonrvn | Rykoshet: anything you like. i like irssi |
| 03:59.42 | snowbird | krisk irc or ssl encrptied |
| 03:59.43 | dbmoodb | funny how turle island can refer to the north american continent |
| 03:59.55 | Guerin | dbmoodb: it doesn't, though. |
| 03:59.56 | simonrvn | dbmoodb: had to google it eh? |
| 04:00.10 | dbmoodb | yeah i had to because i'm not familiar with it |
| 04:00.14 | simonrvn | anyway dondelelcaro's right it is OT |
| 04:00.31 | dbmoodb | where are many turtle islands |
| 04:00.40 | dbmoodb | pick one or give me another hint |
| 04:01.03 | snowbird | were am were a bush is way out north? |
| 04:01.14 | Guerin | WTF |
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| 04:01.25 | simonrvn | snowbird: heh |
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| 04:02.19 | snowbird | i should go fetch a snack |
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| 04:02.33 | simonrvn | the only thing about emacs updates i don't like is the time it takes to prepare it :/ |
| 04:02.47 | Rykoshet | ok, this is enough learning for one night |
| 04:02.49 | simonrvn | bytcompiling everything |
| 04:02.51 | snowbird | mac is cool is it new? |
| 04:02.58 | dbmoodb | lol ah i found you simonrvn |
| 04:03.01 | simonrvn | emacs is an editor |
| 04:03.13 | snowbird | oh so is it macintosh |
| 04:03.20 | streuner_ | snowbird: what IRC-Client do you use? |
| 04:03.22 | simonrvn | no, it's an editor |
| 04:03.26 | simonrvn | !emacs |
| 04:03.26 | dpkg | emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift] |
| 04:03.32 | snowbird | ksirc |
| 04:03.58 | dbmoodb | don't be silly emacs is the plural noun of emac. |
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| 04:04.09 | dbmoodb | emac being an educational mac |
| 04:04.20 | snowbird | got a home built mac |
| 04:04.23 | streuner_ | well, it seems it puts spaces randomly into sentences |
| 04:04.43 | snowbird | it could or me to tired |
| 04:04.54 | snowbird | nned spell checking irc |
| 04:04.56 | dbmoodb | well whitespace is a programming language to.. |
| 04:05.06 | dbmoodb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_%28programming_language%29 |
| 04:05.54 | Gnu_Raiz | snowbird: rirc works great |
| 04:06.05 | snowbird | wahst that? |
| 04:06.35 | dbmoodb | lol |
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| 04:06.38 | Gnu_Raiz | you can even have flyspell mode, which as you know tells you as you type. |
| 04:06.57 | Gnu_Raiz | I mean rcirc |
| 04:07.17 | Gnu_Raiz | just hit alt shift $ |
| 04:07.17 | snowbird | its not in debian |
| 04:07.41 | dbmoodb | oh debian is so silly it's brilliant |
| 04:07.43 | Gnu_Raiz | its part of emacs, just type meta x irc |
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| 04:07.52 | Gnu_Raiz | or alt x irc |
| 04:08.17 | snowbird | yeah |
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| 04:32.42 | MTecknology | I used 'tar cf pos.tar *' on a fedora machine to create an archive then wget to transfer it. I'm now trying to use 'tar -xv pos.tar' on a debian machine to uncompress it. If I do ls while it's uncompressing pos.tar shows up in red, and i don't see any folder it should be getting extracted to... am i missing something? |
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| 04:34.08 | rafaelfeito | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:35.40 | MTecknology | rafaelfeito, thanks :) |
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| 04:36.24 | LV-426 | after using make-kpkg on a custom kernel & installing i get a 64 ELF in /boot instead of a linux kernel boot executable , why so? |
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| 04:38.00 | Guerin | LV-426: because you didn't use the kp mantra |
| 04:38.09 | Guerin | !kp mantra |
| 04:38.09 | dpkg | hmm... kp mantra is make-kpkg clean && VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') && NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=-$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
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| 04:42.33 | ben__ | Hi all. I have a smbfs mount inside ~/ and Nautilus is hitting my network interface pretty hard. Can anyone suggest a way that I can see what it's up to? |
| 04:42.47 | ben__ | strace -p shows that it's making quite a few read() calls (obviously) and lsof does not display any files open on the client or server within the share. |
| 04:46.00 | liable | wireshark |
| 04:47.10 | pickcoder | I'm trying to sort out an issue with the Memories package. If someone is familiar with Perl Maypole, please pm me. |
| 04:48.16 | ben__ | liable: that's a pretty low-level approach. Do you think filenames can really be gleaned from the packets being transferred? |
| 04:49.43 | liable | ben__: dunno, never tried to look in that sort of traffic before |
| 04:50.11 | ben__ | ethereal is what originally told me which hosts were involved and thus the nature of the traffic |
| 04:50.14 | semprix | everytime i do something it always throw me an email to /var/mail/semprix |
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| 04:50.30 | semprix | logcheck |
| 04:50.42 | ben__ | liable: I guess it's worth a shot. |
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| 04:51.23 | liable | ben__: otherwise you might get luck with /proc/sys/vm/block_dump |
| 04:51.50 | liable | echo 1 to that and tail /var/log/messages |
| 04:52.59 | ben__ | liable: I see that. This can be useful in many ways. Thank you. |
| 04:53.19 | liable | np |
| 04:55.00 | unlink | how do i debug iptables issues? |
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| 04:55.18 | unlink | the firewall seems to be working, but a port forward is getting dropped somewhere ... |
| 04:55.24 | Guerin | unlink: remove all rules except the ones you understand completely |
| 04:55.35 | Guerin | then add rules one by one |
| 04:56.06 | deadcat | hmm. isnt dd if=/dev/hdd of=blah.iso ? |
| 04:56.06 | unlink | there's only one in that chain |
| 04:56.21 | Guerin | unlink: then it's manifestly incorrect |
| 04:56.44 | Guerin | deadcat: that will work, if slowly |
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| 04:57.08 | unlink | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -i $external_interface -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to $webserver_ip |
| 04:57.26 | Guerin | unlink: #iptables |
| 04:57.44 | deadcat | Guerin: guess the drive is hosed. )= |
| 04:58.56 | deadcat | i get illegal request. |
| 04:59.11 | Guerin | deadcat: might just be a copyrighted disk ;) |
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| 04:59.41 | wingot | Oh noes. The MAFIAA! |
| 05:00.07 | unlink | *PREROUTING |
| 05:00.38 | deadcat | Guerin: ah (=. probably heheh. |
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| 05:15.27 | peterS | deadcat: why dd? why not just cp /dev/cdrom blah.iso ? |
| 05:15.57 | peterS | well, dd is sometimes needed if you use other features, such as conv=noerror, but if you don't, why bother with it at all |
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| 05:16.14 | Kevin` | people thing dd does some magic raw access or something, dunno why |
| 05:16.30 | Kevin` | I usually use cat when I don't need the features of dd |
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| 05:17.11 | peterS | yeah there seems to be a cult that believes, superstitiously, that "if it is a block device, you must use dd" |
| 05:17.37 | peterS | sometimes they extend this to char devices like /dev/zero too, which is perhaps even more irrational |
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| 05:18.57 | deadcat | peterS: oh. let me try. |
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| 05:25.45 | deadcat | peterS: doesnt work. |
| 05:26.11 | peterS | well, not if /dev/hdd and /dev/cdrom aren't the same thing |
| 05:26.38 | Guerin | !uuodd is <reply> Congratulations, here's your Useless Use Of dd award! Stick it above the fire with your UUOC award if you like! |
| 05:26.55 | Guerin | dpkg, uuodd is <reply> Congratulations, here's your Useless Use Of dd award! Stick it above the fire with your UUOC award if you like! |
| 05:26.59 | Guerin | dpkg: hello? |
| 05:27.02 | Guerin | DAMNYOU |
| 05:27.42 | simonrvn | @uuodd is <reply> Congratulations, here's your Useless Use Of dd award! Stick it above the fire with your UUOC award if you like! |
| 05:27.43 | ravenbird | okay, simonrvn |
| 05:27.52 | Guerin | at least ONE of the bots is paying attention |
| 05:28.20 | streuner_ | dpkg, YAUF is <reply> Yet Another Useless Factoid - feel free to add some if nessecary |
| 05:28.33 | Guerin | streuner_: necessary |
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| 05:29.11 | streuner_ | well, thats the other word i (prolly) never learn to spell :-) |
| 05:29.22 | streuner_ | the other was "available" :-) |
| 05:30.06 | Guerin | well, at least you can use you['][r[e]] properly |
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| 05:30.31 | streuner_ | and can count till 10, right? :-) |
| 05:30.37 | streuner_ | you* |
| 05:31.01 | Guerin | in five or six languages! |
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| 05:31.37 | Guerin | yay lag |
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| 05:31.46 | Guerin | dpkg: hello? |
| 05:31.49 | dpkg | Hi, guerin! |
| 05:31.55 | Guerin | dpkg, uuodd is <reply> Congratulations, here's your Useless Use Of dd award! Stick it above the fire with your UUOC award if you like! |
| 05:32.03 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 05:32.11 | Guerin | more betterer |
| 05:33.07 | MangosDebian | peterS: The first rule about the cult of the believers of the dd superstition; don't talk about the cult of the believers of the dd superstition |
| 05:33.41 | deadcat | peterS: i tried both |
| 05:33.51 | MangosDebian | Guerin: wth happened there? |
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| 05:34.06 | Guerin | MangosDebian: i guess i was lagging |
| 05:34.24 | MangosDebian | Guerin: wasnt you, i show only 2 msg's in the same minute frame. must be the bot |
| 05:34.35 | Guerin | huh |
| 05:34.37 | Guerin | oh well |
| 05:34.49 | peterS | MangosDebian: sure you're not thinking of the Troll Club? |
| 05:35.11 | MangosDebian | peterS: possibly, but I can't talk about that either if I am can i? ;) |
| 05:35.24 | peterS | not if you're in it. if you aren't in it, I suppose the rules don't apply |
| 05:35.42 | peterS | so if you can't talk about the Troll Club, I suppose it means you're in it, and I should just ban you preemptively |
| 05:35.50 | MangosDebian | Guerin: well, 1 msg at 30min and 2 at 31 after, but thats still not 4 in 10 sec or whatever its at |
| 05:36.27 | MangosDebian | peterS: ahh yes, about premptive bans, perhaps now is the time to mention the second rule |
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| 05:39.08 | streuner_ | What kind of second rule, there is only one :-) |
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| 05:41.33 | Guerin | peterS: very Stalinist. |
| 05:43.20 | streuner_ | if these people stalinists you were prolly in sibira NOW :-) |
| 05:44.06 | MangosDebian | streuner_: were refers to the past tense, yet you use the present tense with "NOW"? I'm confused |
| 05:45.19 | Guerin | MangosDebian: it's all part of his weapon of brain destruction |
| 05:45.27 | MangosDebian | clearly :) |
| 05:45.40 | MangosDebian | or you mean s/were/would be/? |
| 05:45.46 | Guerin | MangosDebian: but in fairness it's not his fault English doesn't have sane tense rules like die Muttersprach |
| 05:46.25 | MangosDebian | well, i'm no wordsmith myself |
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| 06:20.13 | hcy | peterS: you still awake? |
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| 06:21.29 | simonrvn | hcy: probably not |
| 06:21.35 | simonrvn | !tell hcy -about ask |
| 06:23.03 | hcy | simonrvn: big problems with apt-get dependencies and stuff, around libc6 and my kernel version -- could i ask you to take a stab at it? |
| 06:23.31 | fignew | what version of debian? |
| 06:23.44 | hcy | fignew: it's debian sid and a 2.6.3 kernel |
| 06:23.55 | hcy | here's what's going on: |
| 06:24.01 | juancgt | hello. say i wanted my computer not to start any net device when it boots up, what things should i do to make this happen? |
| 06:24.04 | hcy | http://paste.debian.net/34567 http://paste.debian.net/34569 http://paste.debian.net/34570 http://paste.debian.net/34571 http://paste.debian.net/34572 |
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| 06:24.51 | simonrvn | you didn't read it, did you |
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| 06:26.05 | hcy | i did, simonrvn, i did, but this is a problem i was unsuccessfully trying to solve about 4 hours ago with peterS, abrotman, and others, and it's quite longwinded, so i thought in this case better see if anyone here's willing to try rather than just shooting in open air. |
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| 06:26.50 | simonrvn | juancgt: comment out the 'auto foo' stuff in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:26.58 | simonrvn | !foo |
| 06:26.58 | dpkg | i heard foo is probably the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html> and <bar>, also read RFC3092. |
| 06:28.31 | hcy | anyway, if anyone could look at those pastes (a few lines up) and help me work this out, i'd REALLY appreciate it |
| 06:28.47 | simonrvn | checking.. |
| 06:28.58 | hcy | simonrvn: thanks |
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| 06:29.51 | zu22 | is there a way to increase the amount of disk space that can be used for virtual memory? i have 256MB physical mem and a 256MB swap, and i just ran out of memory, i run Debian testing, is there a way i can say "you 250MB more from the disk if you need it?" |
| 06:30.44 | simonrvn | zu22: swapd, a swap file (swapd will make a swap file automagically if needed) |
| 06:31.26 | simonrvn | hcy: well what is fixed and what isn't? |
| 06:31.48 | zu22 | simonrvn: cool, thanks |
| 06:31.51 | hcy | simonrvn: nothing's fixed. it's stuck in a loop like that, with everything giving errors like you see in those pastes |
| 06:32.00 | simonrvn | this doesn't seem that difficult to fix TBH |
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| 06:32.24 | hcy | simonrvn: if you know how to do it (and help me do so), i'll be ever so grateful |
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| 06:32.37 | hcy | simonrvn: it's stumped some of the better of you (peterS, abrotman, dondelelcaro ) |
| 06:32.43 | simonrvn | hcy: the error messages would seem t imply that you don't have a 2.6 running when you're doing this |
| 06:32.58 | hcy | uname -r says it's 2.6.3 |
| 06:33.15 | weirdo | with LC_CTYPE=foo.UTF-8, man(1) substitutes single-quote characters with some unicode sequence. bad for pasting. aieee! |
| 06:33.17 | Guerin | http://www.stuff.co.nz/4163531a10.html # muhahaha |
| 06:33.20 | weirdo | any way to inhibit that? |
| 06:33.23 | simonrvn | oh crap... that's like ancient history |
| 06:34.07 | simonrvn | hcy: seems to me that it probably isn't recent enough |
| 06:34.15 | hcy | simonrvn: yes, well, i'd like to replace it with a current debian kernel. but as you can also see in those pastes, i can't figure out how to do it because apt-get is broken |
| 06:34.18 | Guerin | hcy: since when was abrotman one of the better of us? |
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| 06:34.38 | simonrvn | hcy: you'll have to bypass apt and dpkg unfortunately |
| 06:34.39 | hcy | Guerin: you up to the challenge too? |
| 06:34.55 | hcy | simonrvn: ok, how would i do that? |
| 06:35.00 | simonrvn | hcy: how skilled are you at managing dpkg and such? |
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| 06:35.28 | Guerin | hcy: i would be, my apt-fu is strong. But I have a paper to write. And anyway, simonrvn's is probably stronger. |
| 06:35.29 | hcy | simonrvn: not extremely |
| 06:35.39 | hcy | simonrvn: i seem to recall that dpkg has some kind of --force option |
| 06:35.51 | simonrvn | that's not going to help much here |
| 06:36.00 | hcy | ok, so what do i do? |
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| 06:37.44 | hcy | simonrvn: peterS suggested removing binutils and locales for the time being, but that won't work either -- there are around 30 things dependent on them that would need to be removed too |
| 06:37.47 | simonrvn | this is going to be long.... ugh. basically what you'd need to do is get a recent kernel installed, with the initrd generated, reboot to that kernel, making sure that it's in your bootloader config, etc. then get the glibc installed |
| 06:37.56 | hcy | and probably those things have dependencies too |
| 06:38.01 | simonrvn | yes |
| 06:38.09 | zu22 | hcy: what is your problem? |
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| 06:38.30 | simonrvn | you missed the paster URLs, sec |
| 06:38.37 | hcy | simonrvn: ok, how do i do that? |
| 06:38.42 | simonrvn | http://paste.debian.net/34567 http://paste.debian.net/34569 http://paste.debian.net/34570 http://paste.debian.net/34571 http://paste.debian.net/34572 |
| 06:38.47 | hcy | thanks |
| 06:39.21 | simonrvn | man, they're gonna shoot me for this, as this isn't standard practice ;) |
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| 06:39.50 | hcy | i'm running on low batteries (me, not my computer) -- was up 24 hours straight and then slept for 3 hours, i seem to have a fever and feel quite sick. but i'm afraid to shut down my computer or leave this as is without fixing it, afraid that it'll break everything and not be able to start again, so please, PLEASE help guide me through fixing this |
| 06:40.01 | simonrvn | well, i assume you have those binutils, glibc debs downloaded right? |
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| 06:40.24 | simonrvn | do you have a kernel deb downloaded too? |
| 06:41.16 | simonrvn | shit... maybe you should go get some rest first. it'll prevent sleep and illness caused errors |
| 06:41.25 | el_isma | I'm trying to use setkeycodes to set an unknown key. By using showkey in other pc I get that the < key (it's an spanish keyboard) is "0x39 0xb9". I know that the unknown key is e033. How do I use setkeys to make this key do what the other key does? |
| 06:41.26 | simonrvn | leaving it running won't matter |
| 06:41.47 | hcy | simonrvn: http://paste.debian.net/34576 |
| 06:42.11 | hcy | simonrvn: i don't have a new kernel deb downloaded, no, please point me to one |
| 06:43.04 | simonrvn | hcy: the basic operations you'd have to do is if dpkg is refusing to act on any packages, it means that you'll have to extract the kernel deb to a tmp dir, then manually mv the stuff to the right places, and get update-initramfs to generate the initrd for you |
| 06:43.18 | simonrvn | the right etch one should suffice |
| 06:44.05 | hcy | simonrvn: ok..... ? |
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| 06:44.29 | simonrvn | then edit your bootloader conf (and symlinks) to point to the new kernel and initrd, and reboot.... actually rebooting will depends on whether or not what ls -l /lib/libc* syas right now |
| 06:45.31 | simonrvn | the essentials here are your kernel, and your glibc version |
| 06:45.52 | simonrvn | we'll take care of the package management afterwards. that's higher level |
| 06:46.13 | hcy | simonrvn: http://paste.debian.net/34577 |
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| 06:47.31 | logd | hi except timidity there's a less resource-intensive way to play .mid files ? on a old 600mhz 64ram pc? |
| 06:47.40 | simonrvn | 2.3.6, ok, that's the old one. |
| 06:47.46 | hcy | simonrvn: actually, i just realized something. forgive me if this is irrelevant, but i'm trying to save time and energy. i *do* have a few 2.6.8 kernels in my /boot directory, and there are options for booting them in my lilo ... these are kernels i've tried compiling myself on a number of occasions, they work but not as well as the readymade 2.6.3 one someone gave me initially, so i normally don't use them. would it be wise for me to try rebooting into the most |
| 06:47.46 | hcy | recent of those? |
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| 06:48.47 | hcy | simonrvn: http://paste.debian.net/34578 |
| 06:48.49 | simonrvn | ok, are they stable enough for you to have networking up, and be up a few hours? |
| 06:49.05 | hcy | simonrvn: yes, i believe so on both accounts |
| 06:49.26 | hcy | simonrvn: if i can't come back, i'll get onto knoppix and get back here that way and let you know? |
| 06:49.53 | simonrvn | sure |
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| 06:50.26 | hcy | simonrvn: ok *trembling* i'm going to try that now. wish me luck. hopefully i'll be right back |
| 06:50.31 | simonrvn | it's not that complicated, we just have to set up the right conditions for this to work properly |
| 06:50.36 | simonrvn | good luck |
| 06:50.42 | hcy | simonrvn: ok thanks, brb |
| 06:52.17 | simonrvn | ugh, major surgery |
| 06:52.38 | simonrvn | like doing a brain and heart transplant or something |
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| 06:53.46 | kenboo | what package do i need to enable temperature monitor for poweredge 840 ? |
| 06:54.01 | streuner | kenboo: laptop? |
| 06:54.13 | kenboo | i installed lm_sensors, and openipmi but no success |
| 06:54.20 | kenboo | poweredge is a server. |
| 06:54.23 | kenboo | from dell. |
| 06:54.26 | simonrvn | lm-sensors stuff and the right kernel modules. first thing off top of me head |
| 06:54.42 | streuner | another way is "mbmon" |
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| 06:54.50 | streuner | !info mbmon |
| 06:54.52 | hcy | ok, i'm back, so far so good |
| 06:54.54 | dpkg | mbmon: (Hardware monitoring without kernel dependencies (text client)), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.05-5 (sid), Packaged size: 68 kB, Installed size: 148 kB |
| 06:55.04 | simonrvn | looks like a successful non-knoppix boot ;) |
| 06:55.18 | hcy | # uname -r 2.6.18.2 |
| 06:55.21 | simonrvn | wb ;) |
| 06:55.24 | simonrvn | 'k |
| 06:55.29 | hcy | thanks. |
| 06:55.42 | simonrvn | that's better than i expected |
| 06:55.43 | kenboo | mbmon -- No Hardware Monitor found!! InitMBInfo: Success |
| 06:55.55 | hcy | now, i can't *stay* with this kernel 'cause it doesn't do everything right... but hopefully from this i'll be able to fix the apt probs and get a good, perfectly running kernel? |
| 06:56.04 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 06:56.05 | hcy | (it's not noticing my firewire disks anymore, for one) |
| 06:56.14 | simonrvn | now try installing the stuff |
| 06:56.15 | hcy | ok, so what should i do now? |
| 06:56.24 | simonrvn | we'll worry about that after |
| 06:56.27 | hcy | ok |
| 06:56.31 | hcy | so, apt-get -f install ? |
| 06:56.34 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 06:56.44 | hcy | (i don't have my history saved, so i'm working from memory now) |
| 06:56.59 | kenboo | simonrvn, actually sensor command returned voltages but what i really want to know is fan activity and temperature :( |
| 06:57.04 | simonrvn | do you have dselect or aptitude there? |
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| 06:57.20 | hcy | dselect maybe, aptitude - no. |
| 06:57.23 | hcy | i normally use apt-get |
| 06:58.08 | simonrvn | kenboo: well seems to me that that machine should be able to give you readings if your sensor cables are plugged in (if needed), the kernel modules are there, and the sensor stuff works ;) |
| 06:58.13 | simonrvn | 'k |
| 06:58.26 | hcy | i do have dselect |
| 06:58.41 | simonrvn | ok, well, let the -f install happen first |
| 06:58.55 | simonrvn | brb |
| 06:59.16 | hcy | yeah, it's going now. so far so good... |
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| 07:00.46 | simonrvn | ok |
| 07:00.51 | hcy | simonrvn: seems to have been successful! :) |
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| 07:01.20 | hcy | simonrvn: i don't know why i didn't think of this a few hours ago... so now what's my next step? |
| 07:01.39 | simonrvn | ok, so libc6 binutils and friends are installed? |
| 07:02.00 | jonathan_ | hi guys, running lenny here, apparently my intel-hda audio codec does not know how to power the amp for the internal speakers on this laptop. does anyone have any patches for the STAC9228 codec? or packages to make this work? the sound card again is an Intel HDA Stac9228 |
| 07:02.23 | hcy | simonrvn: what does "hi" mean in the dpkg -l output? |
| 07:02.30 | simonrvn | held, installed |
| 07:02.33 | hcy | # dpkg -l | grep libc6 // hi libc6 2.6.1-1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 07:02.48 | hcy | does that mean it's ok? or do i need to unhold it? |
| 07:03.02 | simonrvn | unholding it would be cool, but looks good |
| 07:03.26 | simonrvn | btw you can do dpkg -l libc6 ;) |
| 07:03.39 | hcy | heh thanks |
| 07:03.41 | hcy | ok, i unheld it |
| 07:03.46 | simonrvn | you can do dpkg -l libc6 libc6-dev binutils too ;) |
| 07:03.50 | hcy | doh |
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| 07:04.46 | hcy | simonrvn: ok, http://paste.debian.net/34579 |
| 07:05.08 | simonrvn | hcy: ok, so check your syslog for any weird stuff like PAM throwing GLIBC_PRIVATE errors, if there's none, it looks good, and you get yourself a better kernel |
| 07:05.12 | hcy | simonrvn: so remind me what the next thing i need to do is. use apt-get to get a newer kernel/ |
| 07:05.24 | hcy | simonrvn: k |
| 07:05.50 | simonrvn | nice |
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| 07:06.15 | simonrvn | yeh, and consider starting to use aptitude or dselect for major upgrades |
| 07:06.56 | simonrvn | apt-cache search linux-image and install the appropriate one |
| 07:07.14 | hcy | i don't see any weird stuff in my syslog |
| 07:07.24 | simonrvn | cool |
| 07:08.02 | hcy | this one? linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 |
| 07:08.10 | logd | apart sfxload what can be used to upload soundfonts to Sb Live 24 's midi ? |
| 07:08.14 | simonrvn | (BTW abrotman et al. would've been able to do this stuff, this was easy peasy stuff) |
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| 07:08.34 | hcy | (it's just going easily because i remembered i have other kernels already) |
| 07:08.39 | simonrvn | logd: dunno, check the docs, they probably cover this |
| 07:08.48 | LinkCanabico | hi everyone |
| 07:08.54 | simonrvn | hcy: well it certainly helps |
| 07:09.03 | simonrvn | hcy: yeh that one will do |
| 07:09.05 | hcy | should i remove the etch lines i added to my sources.list file earlier? |
| 07:09.16 | simonrvn | no |
| 07:09.19 | hcy | ok |
| 07:09.22 | simonrvn | etch is current stable |
| 07:09.28 | hcy | so i just apt-get install linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 ? |
| 07:09.31 | simonrvn | hcy: oh wait |
| 07:09.33 | hcy | (this is lenny/sid though) |
| 07:09.40 | simonrvn | hcy: yeh do |
| 07:09.47 | simonrvn | but do install that |
| 07:09.48 | hcy | do remove? or do apt-get ? |
| 07:10.11 | simonrvn | remove/change etch lines, but do install the kernel |
| 07:10.16 | hcy | k |
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| 07:10.38 | simonrvn | change the etch after the ine kernel install ;) |
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| 07:10.55 | hcy | wait, install kernel first, then remove the etch lines? |
| 07:10.57 | simonrvn | wth, what's that 'ine' thing? |
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| 07:11.08 | simonrvn | yeh, apt-get will whine otherwise |
| 07:11.14 | hcy | ah, ok |
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| 07:11.40 | hcy | and should i install with -t etch like apt was prompting me to before? or just regular? |
| 07:11.52 | simonrvn | er, ok, i managed to confuse myself... |
| 07:12.04 | afd_ | hi! I have several network cards in my computer, how do I choose which one is eth0? |
| 07:12.09 | LinkCanabico | i just installd debian for the first time and im a bit lost i have two questions 1) in fedora there is a sub menu in the k menu that lets you configure the network devices screen etc i cant find any of those apps any idea how to get them (they point to diferent system-config-***) |
| 07:12.12 | simonrvn | that's a lenny/sid kernel |
| 07:12.38 | simonrvn | LinkCanabico: it should be already |
| 07:12.41 | hcy | simonrvn: iirc: this is sid. however, with the 2.6.3 confusion, some part of apt said i'd have to move over to an etch kernel before i could finish installing libc6 . i want an updated sid kernel |
| 07:12.43 | simonrvn | configured |
| 07:13.08 | hcy | simonrvn: so, the plan was to somehow get me an etch kernel working, and then go from there back to a current sid one. is this unnecessary now? |
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| 07:13.22 | simonrvn | hcy: ah ok. hmm, better to change your sources.list first then |
| 07:13.29 | hcy | simonrvn: ok |
| 07:13.32 | simonrvn | yeh i would think so |
| 07:13.47 | LinkCanabico | simonrvn all i hawe there is a menu caled debian wich seams to have all the content of the k menu |
| 07:13.57 | simonrvn | LinkCanabico: yeh |
| 07:14.09 | simonrvn | it's debian's menu system |
| 07:14.19 | hcy | simonrvn: ok, my computer's running "# apt-get install linux-image-2.6.22-1-686" and i'm running to the bathroom, i'll brb |
| 07:14.22 | hcy | simonrvn: thanks so much, btw |
| 07:14.24 | LinkCanabico | but no system-config-*** |
| 07:14.27 | simonrvn | np =) |
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| 07:14.39 | simonrvn | LinkCanabico: debian doesn't have system-config* stuff |
| 07:14.51 | simonrvn | this isn't fedora |
| 07:15.17 | LinkCanabico | is there another graphical way to configure all that stuf? |
| 07:15.47 | cat | LinkCanabico: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 07:16.03 | simonrvn | i do it via an editor ;). but yes there is, the kde stuff has some networking conf packages |
| 07:16.17 | simonrvn | cat: uh, s/he wants network, not x |
| 07:16.29 | cat | oh i see |
| 07:16.36 | simonrvn | LinkCanabico: apt-cache search admin kde |
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| 07:17.55 | LinkCanabico | ok thanks |
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| 07:18.21 | simonrvn | !tell LinkCanabico -about search |
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| 07:18.36 | simonrvn | bot's telling you of other ways to look for packages |
| 07:18.44 | hcy | iirc, part of my troubles migrating to 2.6.8 in the past was confusion about how to migrate to udev from whatever its predecessor was called |
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| 07:19.02 | LinkCanabico | ok |
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| 07:19.50 | simonrvn | hcy: devfs *shudder* |
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| 07:20.19 | simonrvn | unlike devfs, udev doesn't need special kernel crap |
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| 07:20.51 | simonrvn | just hotplug support, which a workstation/desktop with usb/firewire/whatever will have anyway |
| 07:21.07 | simonrvn | !tell PalaWan -about root |
| 07:21.17 | simonrvn | PalaWan: haven't we done this before? |
| 07:21.33 | hcy | ok apt-get exited successfully. it's not telling me what i need to do next -- i need to edit my lilo.conf file and then run lilo, right? |
| 07:21.45 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 07:22.17 | vyrus001 | i have it extracted and in /usr/java but i cant seem to find instructions on how to link the intall to firefox and setup the plugin? |
| 07:22.22 | hcy | simonrvn: and what do i want to point it to? something in /boot/ ... |
| 07:22.47 | simonrvn | hcy: yeh; the initrd and the vmlinuz (assuming this is x86) |
| 07:22.53 | hcy | there's a initrd symlink and a vmlinuz symlink |
| 07:22.59 | hcy | it is x86, yes |
| 07:23.03 | simonrvn | don't forget to add an initrd= line pointing to the symlink |
| 07:23.09 | simonrvn | or the actual one |
| 07:23.54 | LinkCanabico | one more question i downloaded the 3 dvd's until now all i have instaled via kpakage was on the first dvd. what are the other ones for? i know i sound silly |
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| 07:25.57 | simonrvn | LinkCanabico: all of debian etch |
| 07:26.38 | hcy | simonrvn: i probably want to make a symlink to /boot/(stuff) in / , that's how my other lilo stuff seems to be configured. yes? |
| 07:26.39 | simonrvn | LinkCanabico: not recommended you install everything either, you can't anyway. there's intentioanlly conflicting packages |
| 07:27.05 | simonrvn | hcy: yeh, just so it goes like initrd=/initrd.img |
| 07:27.19 | simonrvn | intentionally* |
| 07:27.47 | LinkCanabico | ok i was just wondering i have a preaty good idea of what im going to install |
| 07:28.02 | hcy | simonrvn: right |
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| 07:28.23 | simonrvn | LinkCanabico: eventually you'll need to get rid of those dvd lines to get the security updates for stable |
| 07:28.40 | simonrvn | LinkCanabico: you can keep them, but they'll get superceded by the updates |
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| 07:29.04 | simonrvn | hcy: left |
| 07:29.08 | simonrvn | hcy: :P |
| 07:29.51 | hcy | simonrvn: :) |
| 07:29.58 | LinkCanabico | i just felt a litelbit silly downloading 9+ GB and only neading the first disk |
| 07:30.20 | LinkCanabico | even for blender |
| 07:30.25 | simonrvn | for a basic install you don't even need that |
| 07:30.40 | zu22 | simonrvn: is it possible to install a debian stock kernel image that doesn't need to use initrd? i read if you have certain drivers compiled into your kernel (such as your disk controller) then you didn't need initrd? |
| 07:30.58 | jetscreamer | then it wouldn't be a stock |
| 07:31.04 | simonrvn | it's what now for etch, 500, 750 MB, for base, x, vim, mc, less, and a couple of other goodies? |
| 07:31.16 | simonrvn | zu22: what jetscreamer said |
| 07:31.25 | zu22 | jetscreamer: heh, i guess there is no super debian kernel image package which has every driver already compiled in? :P |
| 07:31.28 | jetscreamer | other than that, yes |
| 07:31.30 | LinkCanabico | is it my imagination or is debian 10X faster then fedora |
| 07:31.33 | zu22 | ok |
| 07:31.34 | jetscreamer | just do it yourself |
| 07:32.19 | simonrvn | zu22: roll your own. debian kernels are meant to support as much as possible, and you can't build one with everything in it, it'd be too big, so you need an initrd |
| 07:32.25 | zu22 | jetscreamer: i made my own kernel package once, i spend 3+ hours going through every config question yet i answered something wrong because the kernel wouldn't boot, when i used the stock image no problem, someday i must find out what i did wrong :) |
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| 07:32.37 | simonrvn | LinkCanabico: dunno i haven't played with fedora |
| 07:33.05 | zu22 | simonrvn: yeah i just need to figure out what i did wrong if i want to build my own again, i don't look forward to going through all those questions again eek |
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| 07:33.13 | hcy | simonrvn: ok, updated lilo.conf, ran lilo. it's recommending i run lilo -p -- should i? |
| 07:33.20 | jetscreamer | questions?" |
| 07:33.29 | jetscreamer | !kp mantra |
| 07:33.30 | dpkg | [kp mantra] make-kpkg clean && VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') && NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=-$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 07:33.33 | zu22 | jetscreamer: the kernel config |
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| 07:33.40 | jetscreamer | don't make oldconfig |
| 07:33.41 | Zubbb | Hello, is it possible to use a 2.4 kernel with the current unstable? |
| 07:33.44 | simonrvn | hcy: what's that do? |
| 07:33.47 | jetscreamer | make menu config |
| 07:33.50 | simonrvn | zu22: no |
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| 07:33.53 | simonrvn | zu22: woops |
| 07:33.54 | jetscreamer | err |
| 07:33.54 | zu22 | jetscreamer: i had no config , i was starting from scratch so i did 'make config' |
| 07:33.58 | simonrvn | Zubbb: no |
| 07:34.04 | hcy | simonrvn: Warning: '/etc/lilo.conf' more recent than '/etc/lilo.conf.shs'. Running 'lilo -p' is recommended. |
| 07:34.06 | jetscreamer | zu22: eeeehhhnnnnt! |
| 07:34.13 | zu22 | jetscreamer; heh |
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| 07:34.18 | jetscreamer | zu22: it uses the running kernel config |
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| 07:34.31 | jetscreamer | as in /boot/config/$(uname -r) |
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| 07:34.34 | jetscreamer | magic |
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| 07:34.50 | Zubbb | simonrvn, when was that change, it was long time ago? is it caused by libc? |
| 07:34.54 | hcy | simonrvn: shall i leave it alone, and attempt to boot into it? |
| 07:34.54 | jetscreamer | just take out what you know you don't need at first |
| 07:35.04 | jetscreamer | and compile in what you know you need |
| 07:35.13 | jetscreamer | leave the iffy stuff |
| 07:35.20 | zu22 | jetscreamer: ah yes but my running kernel config is using a stock config so to really tweak my kernel for performance i'd still have to go back through the config and see what i could turn off |
| 07:35.22 | jetscreamer | refine more later |
| 07:35.32 | jetscreamer | i think i just said that |
| 07:35.37 | simonrvn | hcy: might as well do it |
| 07:35.46 | zu22 | jetscreamer: i typed before i read your latest reply :) |
| 07:35.47 | jetscreamer | zu22: just run the stock then |
| 07:36.11 | simonrvn | Zubbb: various things |
| 07:36.12 | zu22 | jetscreamer: i will try it soon as i get my new machine, it will be fun and is good to know |
| 07:36.19 | simonrvn | Zubbb: that, and other stuff |
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| 07:36.36 | hcy | simonrvn: ok, done, thanks. i'll reboot into it now and see how it works |
| 07:36.43 | simonrvn | gl |
| 07:36.44 | hcy | simonrvn: or is there anything else i should be doing first? |
| 07:36.51 | simonrvn | naw |
| 07:37.04 | hcy | k, here goes |
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| 07:38.02 | zu22 | BTW i run testing and a few weeks ago when doing an regular 'apt-get upgrade' ( i do a few each week) it forced me to purge my 2.4.27 kernel image which i was using as a backup kernel in my LILO setup :( and it made me remove modutils too IIRC, why did it make me do this? i really liked having that backup kernel in case something went wrong with my 2.6.18 kernel setup |
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| 07:38.45 | simonrvn | you install another one |
| 07:38.52 | simonrvn | keep the current one as backup |
| 07:39.08 | simonrvn | er, i mean keep that other one as backup |
| 07:39.28 | zu22 | it blew it away it's gone now |
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| 07:39.37 | zu22 | i didn't know how to stop dpkg from removing it |
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| 07:39.53 | simonrvn | you missed the part about me saying "you install another one" |
| 07:39.58 | zu22 | i'm just trying to understand why it made me remove it and in the future how i could prevent that |
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| 07:40.04 | simonrvn | !tell zu22 -about hold |
| 07:40.13 | zu22 | simonrvn: oh yeah mean from this point on yeah |
| 07:40.33 | zu22 | simonrvn: but same thing may happen in the future, why did it make me remove it? i'm curious |
| 07:40.51 | simonrvn | because it's pretty much unsupported now |
| 07:40.54 | zu22 | thanks for the hold info |
| 07:41.01 | simonrvn | np |
| 07:41.01 | zu22 | simonrvn: ah ok |
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| 07:41.56 | zu22 | btw the entry on hold cuts off suddenly at "...currentyly (or tri)" |
| 07:42.19 | zu22 | err "..currently (or tri" that is |
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| 07:42.29 | simonrvn | try doing 'hold' in the /query window with dpkg |
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| 07:42.33 | zu22 | k |
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| 07:42.52 | simonrvn | sometimes it's too long for a tell command |
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| 07:43.38 | zoggy | join /intel |
| 07:43.43 | zoggy | pardon |
| 07:43.47 | zoggy | (blush) |
| 07:43.47 | simonrvn | no thanks :P |
| 07:43.52 | simonrvn | s'ok :) |
| 07:43.54 | zoggy | haha |
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| 07:44.58 | simonrvn | zu22: hm, seems it cuts off there too |
| 07:45.04 | zu22 | i have a console only irc client (epic4), only one window , i did /query dpkg then i sent "hold" but it still cuts if off |
| 07:45.11 | zu22 | simronrvn: heh what you said :) |
| 07:45.44 | zu22 | maybe someone send incomplete information to the blootbot on that entry |
| 07:45.46 | simonrvn | using irssi here. probably needs a slight mod |
| 07:45.51 | zu22 | ah |
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| 07:46.06 | simonrvn | no, it'll cut off because of some oddness between inpt and output lengths |
| 07:46.11 | simonrvn | input |
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| 07:46.13 | zu22 | ah |
| 07:46.18 | EvilDin | hi, how could i do bridge between two lan network cards eth1 and eth2 |
| 07:46.25 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 07:47.00 | simonrvn | bridging that's how ;). i haven't done such a thing, ask in #iptables, they'll know |
| 07:47.20 | hcy | simonrvn: it didn't work... froze. i copied down the errors and will paste them to the paster, 1sec |
| 07:47.25 | simonrvn | also check lartc.org, they have stuff on that |
| 07:47.32 | simonrvn | hcy: ouch :/ |
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| 07:49.33 | hcy | simonrvn: http://paste.debian.net/34580 |
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| 07:50.35 | simmerz | how do I make sure netfilter messages don't appear on stdout? it's killing my uml vm's |
| 07:50.54 | simonrvn | hcy: AAACK |
| 07:51.16 | hcy | simonrvn: is that an abbreviation for something, or just a generic scream? |
| 07:51.21 | simonrvn | stdout? do you mean stderr, or console messages? |
| 07:51.31 | simonrvn | hcy: bill the cat coughing up a hairball |
| 07:51.33 | simmerz | sorry, yeah. they appear on the console |
| 07:51.51 | simmerz | I'm using a default syslog.conf at the moment |
| 07:51.53 | simonrvn | i do sysctl -w kernel.printk = 3 4 1 7 |
| 07:52.11 | zicho | does anyone here use bitlbee? |
| 07:52.12 | simonrvn | you can set that in /etc/sysctl.conf, then run sysctl -p |
| 07:52.17 | hcy | simonrvn: what should i do? |
| 07:52.47 | simmerz | simonrvn: what are the 3 4 1 7? |
| 07:53.01 | zu22 | when i start up amsn it prints tons of verbose messages to the gnome-terminal i started it from, how can i suppress or redirect these messages into /dev/null? |
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| 07:53.22 | simonrvn | hcy: hmm, unsure... i'd try using initramfs-tools instead of yaird (part personal preference, and part debugging) |
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| 07:54.00 | simonrvn | simmerz: the 3 sets the logging level threshold and the other set some other stuff, it's in the sysctl.txt in the kernel source docs |
| 07:54.00 | hcy | simonrvn: i don't know what either of those are... so tell me what to do and how? |
| 07:54.13 | simonrvn | yaird built that initrd |
| 07:54.18 | simmerz | ah great |
| 07:54.24 | Betazoid | whats the command to see all the irc pos |
| 07:54.26 | Betazoid | whats the command to see all the irc ops |
| 07:54.37 | simonrvn | hcy: the initrds get built by a couple of tools now, those 2 being the predominant ones |
| 07:54.40 | cast | just type /names and look |
| 07:54.51 | hcy | simonrvn: ok, so what do i do? |
| 07:55.07 | simonrvn | install initramfs-tools ;) |
| 07:55.20 | simonrvn | make sure your symlinks are ok too |
| 07:55.59 | hcy | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 29 Aug 14 10:29 initrd.img-2.6.22-1-686 -> /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-1-686 |
| 07:56.16 | hcy | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 Aug 14 10:28 vmlinuz-2.6.22-1-686 -> /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-1-686 |
| 07:56.29 | hcy | these are in / , and my lilo.conf points to them |
| 07:56.50 | simonrvn | good idea to have those names more generic, easier to maintain the bootloader conf |
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| 07:57.02 | simonrvn | but that looks good |
| 07:57.14 | blackba55 | does anyone know any app that can find and replace in a document to a specific folder ? |
| 07:57.27 | hcy | image=/vmlinuz-2.6.22-1-686 // label=Linux.new.deb // read-only // initrd=/initrd.img-2.6.22-1-686 // bypass |
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| 07:57.58 | simonrvn | blackba55: a who whatsis? |
| 07:58.22 | blackba55 | huh ? |
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| 07:58.43 | simonrvn | i don't understand what you mean by 'in a document to a specific folder' |
| 07:59.00 | hcy | i'm apt-getting initramfs-tools ... |
| 07:59.15 | simonrvn | blackba55: /msg dpkg search |
| 07:59.25 | hcy | nothing seems wrong with my lilo.conf as i showed it to you, correct? |
| 07:59.30 | blackba55 | like find and replace the word "moo" with the word "foo" in all the files from the folder xyz |
| 07:59.32 | simonrvn | looks ok |
| 07:59.41 | zu22 | hcy: did you run lilo so it applied your new changes? |
| 07:59.47 | simonrvn | he did |
| 07:59.48 | hcy | zu22: yes |
| 07:59.49 | zu22 | ok |
| 08:00.10 | zoggy | hey guys, where might i start looking to resolve my lack on network support for (Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Unknown device 294c (rev 02)). i'm on my knees begging :) thanks |
| 08:00.29 | zoggy | i'm willing to mow people's gardens for help :) |
| 08:00.34 | simonrvn | first, stand up ;) |
| 08:00.38 | zoggy | haha |
| 08:00.43 | zoggy | ok king arthur |
| 08:00.48 | blackba55 | i can't search it cause this is just a function of a text editor ... |
| 08:00.48 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 08:01.15 | xand | sed? |
| 08:01.16 | simonrvn | blackba55: there's tools gui and text that can do wat you asked for |
| 08:01.37 | zu22 | zoggy: i christen thee sir zoggy of unknown-ethernet-controller :P |
| 08:01.40 | simonrvn | xand: !be a sed barbie :P |
| 08:01.45 | blackba55 | that's what i'm asking .. which one ? |
| 08:01.45 | hcy | blackbra: use sed |
| 08:01.57 | cast | zoggy: realtek cards can be found for cheaper than a pizza, |
| 08:02.01 | simonrvn | sed is the easiest ;) |
| 08:02.14 | hcy | yeah, what he sed ;) |
| 08:02.20 | cast | zoggy: some would argue the pizza is a better nic, but if you ask me they're cheap and work :) |
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| 08:02.21 | simonrvn | *groan* |
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| 08:02.34 | hcy | simonrvn: sorry, not feeling well... |
| 08:02.41 | simonrvn | for some definitions of work ;p |
| 08:02.46 | hcy | simonrvn: anyway, initrdtools is installed now. so what do i do now? |
| 08:02.46 | simonrvn | hcy: it's ok :) |
| 08:02.48 | p3u | hi |
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| 08:03.04 | simonrvn | hcy: it should have generated some initrds for your kernels |
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| 08:03.32 | p3u | can someone help me installing debian etch (netinst) with sata drives and SIS 968 chipset |
| 08:03.34 | simonrvn | hcy: check the symlinks again, fix conf if needed |
| 08:03.39 | p3u | hdd not recognised |
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| 08:03.46 | zoggy | cast: the problem with this motherboard is it only has one pci slot (the rest are pci-e) and i need that slot for the ISDN pci card :( |
| 08:03.53 | zoggy | otherwise, i would have snapped one up |
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| 08:04.09 | cast | oh :\ |
| 08:04.12 | hcy | simonrvn: i haven't run it, just apt-get installed it. where would these initrds be? i don't see them |
| 08:04.13 | vlt | Hello, what package do I have to remove if I want to uninstall KDE completely? |
| 08:04.21 | vlt | (Sarge) |
| 08:04.22 | zu22 | zoggy: maybe buy a pci backplane thing that gives you many more pci slots |
| 08:04.33 | simonrvn | hcy: on install they would've been generated (normally) |
| 08:04.36 | cast | vlt: look at whats in kdebase and remove something that sounds important in there :) |
| 08:04.45 | simonrvn | the kdelibs |
| 08:04.49 | simonrvn | !remove kde |
| 08:04.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, remove kde is aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
| 08:04.53 | hcy | i dont see any new ones either in /boot or / |
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| 08:04.57 | xand | can't you get pci-e network cards? |
| 08:04.57 | zoggy | that's a pretty good idea |
| 08:05.06 | vlt | simonrvn: Thank you. |
| 08:05.22 | zoggy | xand: apparently they're not available in south africa as yet |
| 08:05.28 | zoggy | or so i've been told |
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| 08:05.57 | simonrvn | hcy: ok, so do update-initramfs -k all -v |
| 08:06.10 | xand | zoggy: that's what the internets are for |
| 08:06.13 | zoggy | xand: all the suppliers say those pci-e slots are for graphics controllers.... interesting that motherboard manufactures would be driven to include 1xagp as well as 2 other slots for graphics controllers |
| 08:06.24 | xand | zoggy: what a load of rubbish |
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| 08:06.33 | simonrvn | zoggy: you've been lied to |
| 08:06.43 | xand | pci-e is a general replacement for pci |
| 08:06.51 | zoggy | xand: i agree, but my worry was this: when i searched for cards, more intel cards came up.... so, what if i order that card and see that it doesn't work |
| 08:06.52 | simonrvn | for sure |
| 08:07.22 | hcy | simonrvn: it says "nothing to do, exiting" |
| 08:07.23 | zoggy | so are you basically saying there's no chance of getting the onboard controller working? |
| 08:07.26 | cast | you know how pci-e slots have different lengths..well can you put a 1x long card in a 16 slot? |
| 08:07.29 | simonrvn | hcy: -v as you guessed is verbose ;) |
| 08:07.32 | simonrvn | hcy: ok |
| 08:07.35 | hcy | yep |
| 08:07.42 | zu22 | zoggy: try egghead.com or tigerdirect.com |
| 08:07.52 | hcy | and i had to add -c or -u too, neither worked though |
| 08:07.53 | simonrvn | probably because yaird built them |
| 08:08.03 | simonrvn | meh |
| 08:08.17 | simonrvn | ok, that idea didn't pan out |
| 08:08.21 | zoggy | cast: they are like thumbs length, so no other card would fit, i don't think |
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| 08:08.33 | zoggy | sorry for sounding like a moron |
| 08:08.46 | simonrvn | happens to everyone, no worries ;) |
| 08:08.50 | cast | zoggy: well, a 1x long card could fit in a 16x long slot length wise, is what i'm meaning |
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| 08:09.25 | zoggy | cast: makes sense: i even tried searching for a pci-e to pci adapter |
| 08:09.29 | zoggy | no luck |
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| 08:10.02 | hcy | next suggestion? |
| 08:10.05 | zoggy | perhaps a pci backplane might do the trick |
| 08:10.08 | p3u | nobody can help me with my sata SIS968 and etch netinst problem ? :'( |
| 08:10.16 | simonrvn | hcy: thinking |
| 08:10.23 | zoggy | so there's no way to download the latest intel modules and recompile them? |
| 08:10.29 | hcy | simonrvn: k, thanks |
| 08:10.36 | zoggy | i've tried intel's site, but found nothing useful |
| 08:10.40 | vlt | simonrvn: hmmm, there's no pkg "kdelibs4c2a". And when I select "kdelibs-data" for uninstalling in aptitude I get 210 packages marked as BROKEN. What could be wrong here? |
| 08:11.32 | simonrvn | vlt: it's probably an old factoid that needs updating (which i'll do). the broken packages are the ones dependent on that, probably all kde ones. remove them ;) |
| 08:12.30 | vlt | simonrvn: manually?!? I thought there was one pkg all other depend on and would be removed automatically ... :( |
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| 08:12.38 | simonrvn | vlt: actually it's still good... dpkg -l 'kdelibs*' should give you the relevant one |
| 08:13.05 | simonrvn | vlt: no, hit _ in aptitude or dselect, or use apt-get to do it |
| 08:13.28 | vlt | simonrvn: Ok, thanks. |
| 08:14.40 | simonrvn | hcy: hmm wait a minute, in some later versions, and recent ones, the hard drive load order got flipped a couple of times, you'll need to check fstab |
| 08:15.29 | hcy | simonrvn: ok |
| 08:17.00 | hcy | simonrvn: http://paste.debian.net/34581 (looks ok to me) |
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| 08:17.16 | wam | Hi, is there anything better than rsync or scp for downloading ~4GB via ssh/sftp? I always get disconnects from my cable provider and have to start from scratch. I'd like something like HTTP-Continue via sftp ;) |
| 08:18.08 | simmerz | rsync doesn't start from scratch. it will sync whatever hasn't been downloaded |
| 08:18.24 | wam | simmerz: it's one file. |
| 08:18.28 | simmerz | ah |
| 08:18.46 | Kevin` | it's possible to rsync part of a file |
| 08:18.51 | simonrvn | hcy: when the machine is booting from the 2.6.22 one, the order will be flipped |
| 08:19.09 | simmerz | in which case, won't wget do it? |
| 08:19.24 | Kevin` | if the file is only growing, yes |
| 08:19.30 | wam | simmerz: for me? No - I don't have a http server on the other end. |
| 08:19.37 | simmerz | hmm ok |
| 08:19.38 | Kevin` | if pieces will change somewhere in the file, wget won't see that |
| 08:19.42 | cafuego | wam: wget over ssh? :-) |
| 08:19.45 | simonrvn | wget -c |
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| 08:19.51 | hcy | simonrvn: so what would i do about that? |
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| 08:19.58 | p3u | bye |
| 08:20.02 | Kevin` | wget -c will work fine if data is only added to the end of the file |
| 08:20.05 | wam | yeah - I was hoping there's some diff-rsync or so... I'll split the file into chunks and then rsync them. |
| 08:20.08 | cafuego | Of course, the other end (the http server) would need to support partial requests |
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| 08:20.19 | Kevin` | wam normal rsync will do that with the right options |
| 08:20.29 | wam | Kevin`: ok, thanks - I'll have a look at man. |
| 08:20.30 | simonrvn | hcy: what i do is change fstab before i boot. but you'll need to figure out which one is your system disk |
| 08:20.34 | cafuego | wam: publish the sucker to a torrent tracker! |
| 08:20.57 | simonrvn | hcy: er, reboot even |
| 08:21.06 | wam | cafuego: my client would love me for that ;) |
| 08:21.18 | hcy | simonrvn: butif i do that, if it doent work, i wont be able to get back into this old working kernel, no? |
| 08:21.24 | cafuego | wam: well, encrypted first, of course :-) |
| 08:21.38 | wam | cafuego: nice idea - I'll consider ;) |
| 08:21.39 | Kevin` | hcy if your using grub, you can |
| 08:21.49 | hcy | Kevin`: lilo |
| 08:21.52 | Kevin` | assuming you keep the file |
| 08:21.54 | simonrvn | he's not, still using lilo |
| 08:21.58 | Kevin` | with lilo you'd have to add an entry for the old kernel |
| 08:22.11 | hcy | how? |
| 08:22.23 | Kevin` | ..add an entry, for the old kernel, to /etc/lilo.conf |
| 08:22.38 | simonrvn | Kevin`: uh, that won't matter regardless, the disk order changes when he boots to the .22 kernel |
| 08:22.46 | hcy | Kevin`: i dont understand |
| 08:22.58 | simonrvn | it's because Kevin` missed something ;) |
| 08:23.07 | hcy | k |
| 08:23.08 | Kevin` | simonrvn he can change root= on the command line, and init=/bin/sh would ignore fstab effectively. |
| 08:23.18 | simonrvn | yes |
| 08:23.19 | Kevin` | easy enough to get it working |
| 08:23.29 | cafuego | AH, .22 does libata eh. |
| 08:23.44 | simonrvn | *i* can do that, dunno what hcy's skill level is |
| 08:23.49 | cafuego | set up fstab and root to use UUID or LABEL. |
| 08:23.59 | simonrvn | that would be a lot better ;) |
| 08:24.00 | Kevin` | well, he doesn't know how to add something to lilo.conf |
| 08:24.05 | hcy | i can run with root=/dev/hda3 or whatever |
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| 08:24.17 | hcy | is that what i want to try? hda3 instead of hda4? |
| 08:24.31 | Kevin` | in the new kernel it might be sda* |
| 08:24.35 | simonrvn | more like hda or hdb, depending |
| 08:24.39 | simonrvn | or even sda, yeh |
| 08:24.45 | cafuego | hcy: What you want is to switch over to use UUIDs and not device names, which will make the whole problem go away. |
| 08:24.53 | simonrvn | for sure |
| 08:24.55 | Kevin` | cafuego bah, too much work :) |
| 08:25.00 | simonrvn | he's got a 2.6.18.2 there |
| 08:25.07 | hcy | practically, what should i do to get this working? |
| 08:25.15 | wam | Kevin`: maybe you know: Will -P be enough or do I have to use --append too? |
| 08:25.19 | simonrvn | best way is using the UUID stuff |
| 08:25.35 | hcy | ok, how? |
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| 08:25.39 | cafuego | hcy: Did you build that .22 kernel or is it a prebuilt one?> |
| 08:25.42 | Kevin` | wam I don't remember, I don't have rsync installed currently :) |
| 08:25.46 | wam | ok, thanks |
| 08:25.46 | simonrvn | debian one |
| 08:25.53 | hcy | cafuego: it's a prebuilt debian one |
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| 08:26.17 | cafuego | hcy: Ok, for all your Linux partitions, you'll need to find the UUID. |
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| 08:26.36 | cafuego | hcy: You can use the `tune2fs' utility for that on ext2/ext3. |
| 08:26.37 | hcy | cafuego: and that's done how? |
| 08:26.42 | hcy | k |
| 08:26.48 | cafuego | hcy: as root, 'tune2fs -l /dev/hdaX' |
| 08:26.53 | Kevin` | IMO you should use grub, it makes recovery if you mess up a good deal easier. |
| 08:27.00 | cafuego | it will list a field called "Filesystem UUID" |
| 08:27.18 | simonrvn | takes |
| 08:27.32 | wam | Thanks everyone - rsync -avzP does what I need ;) |
| 08:27.41 | simonrvn | wam: wewt |
| 08:27.48 | hcy | ok this is really weird, simonrvn and cafuego: |
| 08:28.14 | hcy | http://paste.debian.net/34583 |
| 08:28.41 | cafuego | Is hda4 an extended partition? |
| 08:28.41 | hcy | tune2fs thinks it's hda3, mount thinks it's hda4 |
| 08:28.43 | Kevin` | uuid looks to be there |
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| 08:29.05 | Kevin` | hcy what's on hda3 and hda4 |
| 08:29.14 | hcy | when i boot up, it says: hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4 <hda5 hda6> |
| 08:29.30 | hcy | "mount" mounts hda4 as my root partition |
| 08:29.31 | cafuego | Ok, hda4 is an extended patition, which contains hda5 and hda6. |
| 08:30.09 | cafuego | Can you pastebin the output of 'fdisk -l /dev/hda' as well? |
| 08:30.16 | hcy | ok |
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| 08:30.35 | Kevin` | hcy cat /proc/mounts. might give different (more accurate) data |
| 08:30.48 | hcy | http://paste.debian.net/34584 |
| 08:30.56 | zu22 | cat /proc/partitions |
| 08:31.42 | cafuego | hcy: and you have a hdb or sda as well? |
| 08:31.48 | tarzeau | is it possible debian etch crap firefox/iceweasel doesn't honor /etc/mailcap ? |
| 08:31.52 | hcy | proc/mounts : http://paste.debian.net/34585 |
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| 08:32.14 | hcy | sda would be my external stuff (zip disks, firewire harddrives, usb stick) |
| 08:32.17 | GuHhH | hey |
| 08:32.20 | tarzeau | i have users in my neck complaining pdfs are opened with xpdf instead of the crap adobe acrobat bullshit reader? |
| 08:32.21 | hcy | hdc is the cdrom |
| 08:32.51 | cast | tarzeau: lie and tell them xpdf is a lightweight version of acrobat |
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| 08:32.55 | cafuego | and you booted with root=/dev/hda3 ? |
| 08:33.00 | hcy | /proc/partitions http://paste.debian.net/34586 |
| 08:33.02 | tarzeau | cast: they are not stupid |
| 08:33.11 | cafuego | On 2.6.22 that would become /dev/sda3 |
| 08:33.14 | cast | tarzeau: if they weren't stupid they wouldn't be complaining :) |
| 08:33.17 | tarzeau | cast: but i already told them that mozilla software is the worst ever! |
| 08:33.27 | hcy | no, i'm still in the old kernel, which i booted from fstab, no root= argument |
| 08:33.31 | GuHhH | does anyone knows a good site for spyware/adware/malware articles for a O.S. high school work? |
| 08:33.38 | tarzeau | cast: the problem really isn't the user nor the pdf, but the mozilla bad quality software |
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| 08:33.49 | tarzeau | cast: if i could i'd give them internet explorer or safari |
| 08:33.54 | hcy | i normally have sda1 sda2... sdb1... sdc1... sdd1 and so on, depending on what's plugged in |
| 08:33.59 | Kevin` | I think fstab, mtab, or both, is currently confused |
| 08:34.09 | simonrvn | sounds like it |
| 08:34.11 | tarzeau | cast: i myself use links2 -g of course, and that's only matter of time until we get a GNUstep WebBrowser.app |
| 08:34.14 | cafuego | hcy: You're running 2.6.18 at the moment, right? |
| 08:34.21 | hcy | yes |
| 08:34.39 | hcy | cafuego: yes |
| 08:35.40 | cafuego | What you have in /etc/fstab for / is soemthing like "/dev/hda3 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 1 2" |
| 08:36.07 | hcy | cafuego: /dev/hda4 / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 08:36.30 | cafuego | can you paste the contents of /proc/cmdline ? |
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| 08:36.48 | hcy | cafuego: BOOT_IMAGE=Linux2.6.18me ro root=303 |
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| 08:36.59 | cafuego | aha |
| 08:37.21 | simonrvn | oh |
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| 08:37.27 | cafuego | 303 is /dev/hda3 |
| 08:37.30 | cafuego | not hda4 |
| 08:37.35 | cafuego | So your fstab is incorrect |
| 08:37.43 | cafuego | Fix that up forst |
| 08:37.53 | hcy | but it mounts. ok, i'll change it to hda3 |
| 08:37.55 | nuxien | hello |
| 08:38.32 | hcy | ok, changed fstab. now? |
| 08:38.32 | XPSlammer | good morning, hash dweebians |
| 08:38.32 | cafuego | hcy: It's not mounted from fstab, it's mounted from the root= parameters, which is blkdev(3,3), which translates to /dev/hda3. |
| 08:38.39 | cafuego | XPLamer: you mistyped your nick |
| 08:38.47 | hcy | k, so now what? |
| 08:39.03 | nuxien | i would like to know what are the diferences between debian amd64 and 32 bits (proformances, ...) |
| 08:39.06 | cafuego | hcy: Now we need to add a line in fstab for the UUID |
| 08:39.28 | hcy | k, what would that line look like? |
| 08:39.28 | cafuego | "UUID=14c2c7ed-f2c9-4021-97a3-445404723f06 / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1" |
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| 08:39.32 | cafuego | Do *not* delet the current line. |
| 08:39.35 | hcy | thanks -- just under /dev/hda3 ? |
| 08:39.40 | cafuego | Make a copy, and comment out the original. |
| 08:39.43 | cafuego | hcy: yup |
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| 08:40.31 | hcy | cafuego: k, then? |
| 08:40.48 | cafuego | That UUID is the one listed in 'tune2fs -l' to it uniquely identified hda3, your root partition, no matter if it's hda3 or sda3. The uuid will always be the same. |
| 08:41.01 | cafuego | hcy: Can you pastebin your lilo.conf? |
| 08:41.04 | hcy | that's really cool |
| 08:41.06 | hcy | ok |
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| 08:42.13 | hcy | cafuego: http://paste.debian.net/34587 |
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| 08:42.37 | nuxien | nobody ? |
| 08:42.43 | cafuego | That's fstab, looks fine. |
| 08:42.50 | cafuego | lilo.conf next? :-) |
| 08:42.57 | hcy | oh, lilo, misread. sorry. tired and sick ;) |
| 08:42.58 | hcy | one sec |
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| 08:44.04 | hcy | cafuego: http://paste.debian.net/34588 |
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| 08:45.40 | cafuego | hcy: I've edited it and added a "Linux.new.uuid" stanza |
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| 08:46.03 | cafuego | hcy: You'll want to add that to your lilo.conf |
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| 08:46.35 | hcy | where is the edited one? |
| 08:46.38 | cafuego | sam id |
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| 08:46.44 | cafuego | same id, just refresh the page |
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| 08:47.28 | cafuego | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:47.48 | cafuego | Dewi: you wrecked it! |
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| 08:48.25 | tenzind | hi, I have an acer aspire 4710z laptop on which i have installed etch. Everything is working fine except that the earphone jack doesnt work. Is there any configurations that i need to do to make it work? |
| 08:48.38 | Dewi | cafuego: er... sorry |
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| 08:48.44 | DustyBin | alsamixer ? |
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| 08:48.52 | hcy | i don't see it |
| 08:49.59 | cafuego | hcy: line 160 |
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| 08:50.25 | tenzind | DustyBin, alsamixer only shows Master and PCM |
| 08:50.36 | hcy | ah found it. had to click the link at the top left |
| 08:50.51 | cafuego | It's identical to Linux.new.deb, exept it has a "root=UUID=14c2c7ed-f2c9-4021-97a3-445404723f06" line added. |
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| 08:51.48 | cafuego | hcy: When done, run 'lilo -v' as root. |
| 08:52.30 | DustyBin | tenzind: there has been a similar problem when installing linux on a macbook / pro, you might want to look on linux-howtos on those |
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| 08:53.31 | hcy | cafuego: Syntax error at or above line 324 in file '/etc/lilo.conf' |
| 08:53.46 | cafuego | 324!? |
| 08:54.04 | cafuego | The patsed one is only 192 lines |
| 08:54.11 | DustyBin | tenzind: read the sound part of this: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
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| 08:54.26 | hcy | yeah it put empty # lines between every other 2 lines for some reason, when i copied and pasted from there |
| 08:54.50 | cafuego | Don't replace the entire lilo.conf, just add in the litte section i did. |
| 08:54.52 | tenzind | DustyBin, thanks ... |
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| 08:55.42 | hcy | fixed that, Syntax error at or above line 163 in file '/etc/lilo.conf' |
| 08:56.11 | cafuego | Ok, change that line to root="UUID=14c2c7ed-f2c9-4021-97a3-445404723f06" |
| 08:56.17 | DustyBin | when mirroring a server with Rsync, is it best to boot the server in single-user mode, then Rsync it? |
| 08:56.30 | cafuego | The lack of quotes is probably confusing lilo |
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| 08:57.23 | hcy | cafuego: Fatal: Illegal 'root=' specification: UUID=14c2c7ed-f2c9-4021-97a3-445404723f06 |
| 08:57.31 | cafuego | !^&%$%^!$#^%&$!^%%^&$^!&~%^ |
| 08:57.33 | hcy | (i put in the quotes) |
| 08:57.44 | cafuego | Does lilo not support UUID!? |
| 08:58.10 | hcy | you want two ='s, right? |
| 08:58.15 | cafuego | Yup |
| 08:58.16 | simonrvn | probably doesn't |
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| 08:58.41 | simonrvn | (which would really suck) |
| 08:58.48 | hcy | :( |
| 08:59.05 | cafuego | THat would mean you need to install grub. |
| 08:59.16 | hcy | oy |
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| 08:59.47 | cafuego | *or* pick you will run either 2.6.18 *or* 2.6.22 and stick with sda3 or hda3... |
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| 09:00.03 | hcy | i'll run 2.6.22 when it works |
| 09:00.33 | hcy | i have to go lie down for a bit. i guess i'll try getting grub when i come back. just apt-get install grub and apt-get remove lilo? |
| 09:00.36 | cafuego | Remove my entry from lilo.conf (or change root=UUID=... to root=/dev/sda3) |
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| 09:00.50 | cafuego | hcy: No, it's probably not that easy. |
| 09:00.57 | hcy | oy :( |
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| 09:01.10 | cafuego | hcy: Don't forget to change the comment in fstab, comment ut he UUID line and re-enable the /dev/hda3 one. |
| 09:01.25 | cafuego | hcy: ... that way, your system will boot 2.6.18 and work OK. |
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| 09:01.31 | hcy | ok |
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| 09:02.04 | amol | hi all insmod command is not working in debian sid it is giving segmentation fault what i have to do to work out ? |
| 09:02.23 | Kevin` | amol check dmesg for the error given |
| 09:02.33 | cafuego | Answer question 1. "Why am I running Sid?" |
| 09:02.34 | amol | segmentation fault |
| 09:02.37 | hcy | ok, did that... going to rest for a bit. thanks for everything so far, i really appreciate it |
| 09:02.44 | Kevin` | amol two questions: why are you using insmod instead of modprobe, and where did you get the module |
| 09:02.59 | Kevin` | amol the error from the kernel. in dmesg. |
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| 09:03.01 | cafuego | ander question 2: "I am running isnmod by hand, why am I doing that and not modprobe?" |
| 09:03.11 | cafuego | hcy: Np. get well soon :-) |
| 09:03.18 | hcy | thanks cafuego |
| 09:03.22 | hcy | i'll be back |
| 09:03.22 | amol | kevin:i tried for hello world program which i kept on desktop |
| 09:03.42 | Kevin` | amol and? |
| 09:03.47 | cafuego | you're loading hello world into the kernel? |
| 09:04.08 | Kevin` | cafuego perfectly possible if the hello world program is a kernel module in the proper format :) |
| 09:04.36 | cafuego | Kevin`: Yes... but I don't think people who call insmod should be writing kernel modules ;-) |
| 09:04.41 | zu22 | did u germans hear about that new law that passed where almost anything (nmap) can be classified as a "hacker tool" and you'd be held criminally liable? how lame |
| 09:04.49 | amol | if i am keeping in /lib/module/2.6.21/kernel/driver/misc then after rebooting it is working but why not for insmod? |
| 09:05.04 | Kevin` | cafuego well, you don't want to put the test module into the modrope dependency stuff |
| 09:05.19 | Kevin` | amol check the error in dmesg |
| 09:05.22 | cafuego | Kevin`: ... but you'd know that, being a dev. |
| 09:05.51 | Kevin` | well, what is amol? :) |
| 09:06.07 | Kevin` | http://www.faqs.org/docs/kernel/x145.html |
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| 09:06.19 | Haris | Hello vfolks |
| 09:06.37 | cast | i'm real damnit |
| 09:06.41 | liable | ohnos, i'm a virtual person |
| 09:07.26 | Haris | I went in the setup and haven't chosen the package list during the questions asked. I have dvd1 for debian 4 where I started the setup from. Will it install debian from dvd1 or will I need the other 2 dvds to complete the install? |
| 09:07.36 | zu22 | the law passed in germany |
| 09:07.52 | cast | dvd1 will do |
| 09:08.00 | Kevin` | actually that hello world module seems to be missing a few of the "proper" things a module should have |
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| 09:09.03 | Haris | I'm installing debian in vmware on win2k3, to get a feel of both vmware (virtualization) and debian |
| 09:09.05 | amol | kevin:dmesg not showing any message |
| 09:09.15 | amol | related to insmod |
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| 09:09.25 | Kevin` | amol strace insmod then |
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| 09:10.10 | Kevin` | Haris what did you choose from the list |
| 09:10.27 | Haris | Kevin`: What list? |
| 09:10.33 | amol | kevin:for modprobe it is giving error as FATAL: Module ./objects/my_char.ko not found. |
| 09:10.47 | Kevin` | Haris the list of standard system types you just mentioned? |
| 09:10.59 | Haris | stanard system types? |
| 09:11.08 | Kevin` | state your question again |
| 09:11.25 | Haris | It started from language, setting up lan card, then partitions and then just started the base install |
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| 09:11.42 | Haris | I didn't the main installer menu this time |
| 09:11.43 | Kevin` | you definitely won't need any of the other cds for a base install |
| 09:11.46 | simonrvn | hcy: get plenty of rest and fluids dude |
| 09:11.56 | Kevin` | I recommand 'standard system', though |
| 09:11.58 | Haris | didn't get+ the |
| 09:12.11 | Kevin` | you'll probably be installing a bunch of stuff right away if you didn't select that :) |
| 09:12.14 | Kevin` | no biggie though |
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| 09:12.30 | amol | kevin:is there any prob with module-init-tools? so insmod is not working? |
| 09:12.48 | Kevin` | amol maybe. find out :) |
| 09:13.13 | Kevin` | i've never had an inexplicable problem with insmod |
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| 09:14.00 | amol | kevin:for stable version i also not but this new sid version i am getting segmentation fault |
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| 09:14.29 | Kevin` | Haris btw, in my opinion, a light linux system would make a better host for virtualization then server 2003, for production. (for testing, use whatever you want, as it doesn't matter) |
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| 09:15.10 | Kevin` | amol debug it and find out what's wrong |
| 09:15.15 | simonrvn | could someone with a jfs partition that was created within the last 6 months tell me what version jfs_tune -l /dev/thatpartition spits out? it should be next to "JFS version:" not the program version |
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| 09:15.33 | amol | kevin:can you tell me about real time Linux on debian? |
| 09:15.41 | JarJarBinks | if I ask dpkg about compiz I'm told to use aiglx, but how do I setup / use AIGLX |
| 09:15.53 | Arnald | mp4creator seems to have gone AWOL from mpeg4ip-utils - anyone know what that is about? |
| 09:15.59 | Kevin` | amol I haven't used any true real-time linux extensions |
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| 09:17.10 | Kevin` | amol if I ever make a linux-powered RC car again (and do it right), i'll tell you how it goes :) |
| 09:17.16 | simonrvn | i just checked the source for jfs_tune, and the comments say it won't display the UUID if the version is 1, and my jfs partitions were created like last year, and with version 1 |
| 09:17.32 | simonrvn | effing PITA |
| 09:18.06 | Kevin` | amol last time I used a userspace program to do all the control work, which gave a response time of about 1/60 second. which was enough to work, but far from ideal or what the system was capable of |
| 09:18.49 | amol | kevin:what is mean linux-powered Rc |
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| 09:19.41 | simonrvn | radio controlled |
| 09:19.50 | Kevin` | amol think this: glue an embedded linux computer to the base of a radio controlled car (with wifi), add a simple robotic control system, and a laptop with wifi and a joystick :) |
| 09:20.24 | ehtom | can i debootstrap a debian system using the packages cache on an already installed system? |
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| 09:21.12 | bullgard4 | What is an 'infobox' in Linux? I found differing uses of this term but no definition. |
| 09:21.54 | amol | kevin:how uyou achieved? |
| 09:22.27 | Kevin` | amol it worked ok, but doing PWM with a 1/60 second response time made it choppy :) |
| 09:22.45 | JarJarBinks | for the record: found a link to AIGLX + COMPIZ at the bottom at wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 09:23.24 | simonrvn | ehtom: if you have the entirety of the installation debs there you could. but something tells me you don't |
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| 09:23.57 | ehtom | simonrvn: I have whatever's there after using the netinst livecd |
| 09:24.04 | ehtom | so I guess some files are on the CD? |
| 09:24.21 | simonrvn | the cd will have it |
| 09:24.26 | amol | kevin:how to find out which type of schedular is running in debian? |
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| 09:24.46 | amol | kevin: task schedular i/o schedular? |
| 09:24.47 | Kevin` | next time, proper motor controller and a servo for steering |
| 09:24.47 | Kevin` | previous one was a two-track car |
| 09:24.47 | Kevin` | like a tank |
| 09:24.47 | Kevin` | awol anyway, that's the sum of my experience with applications for real time linux :) |
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| 09:24.56 | ehtom | simonrvn: ok, cool |
| 09:25.10 | Kevin` | wtf |
| 09:25.12 | zu22 | Kevin`: you have a website? |
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| 09:25.35 | simonrvn | Kevin`: i think debhelper might be lagging |
| 09:25.46 | simonrvn | Kevin`: happened to someone else earlier |
| 09:25.50 | Kevin` | zu22 http://kwzs.be - sorta :) |
| 09:26.01 | zu22 | Kevin`: cool |
| 09:26.06 | Kevin` | zu22 I put random files up there, but I don't maintain a link database or a homepage |
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| 09:26.44 | zu22 | is there a nice app to reliably show what procs are eating up the cpu? often i see xload showing 90% cpu consumption and system very sluggish but when i look in 'top' or 'ps' i don't see it under CPU :( |
| 09:27.07 | Zubbb | zu22, maybe it's iowait? |
| 09:27.11 | Kevin` | i've never known top to be unreliable in that regart |
| 09:27.15 | Kevin` | regard |
| 09:27.16 | zu22 | hmm |
| 09:27.26 | zu22 | i better investigate further, collect more data to be sure |
| 09:27.28 | Zubbb | zu22, top is nice |
| 09:28.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | Where's the site tha tells you what hardware you have based on lspci -n output? |
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| 09:28.50 | zu22 | ok |
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| 09:32.41 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi |
| 09:32.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | thanks |
| 09:33.09 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: if your wondering about your wireless driver, look for the ethernet lines |
| 09:33.45 | themill | liable: we found that last night, intel 4965 |
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| 09:33.55 | liable | eww |
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| 09:34.08 | liable | much fucking around with that one |
| 09:34.21 | DustyBin | im following some 'ubuntu' instructions to get my tv card working in debian, does debian support a /etc/modprobe.d/options file? my options file doesnt exist |
| 09:34.29 | themill | liable: shouldn't be too horrible from what I've read |
| 09:34.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable, themill: So how do I make it work? |
| 09:34.46 | liable | themill: not if your comfortable compiling a kernel, no |
| 09:35.01 | themill | DustyBin: Do you also like ritual disembowling with a blunt spoon? |
| 09:35.14 | themill | liable: I think they've got it down to a single module these days. |
| 09:35.15 | DustyBin | no |
| 09:35.31 | liable | themill: for ipw3945, nor 4965 |
| 09:35.39 | liable | s/nor/not |
| 09:35.55 | themill | liable: http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi&n=howto-iwlwifi |
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| 09:36.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | I installed the deb pf iwlwifi |
| 09:36.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | So how do I make it work? |
| 09:36.14 | liable | themill: unless you are using a 22 kernel, you need to patch the stack in |
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| 09:36.34 | liable | themill: i subscribe to the list ;) |
| 09:36.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm using a 22 |
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| 09:37.13 | Monk\ | Hi, how to use kde menu in fluxbox? |
| 09:37.18 | themill | liable: ahhh I'd not found anything about needing .22.... it just says you need mac80211 which has been around for a while now. |
| 09:37.29 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: what deb are you talking about? |
| 09:37.30 | themill | liable: all be it in a bit of a messy state |
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| 09:38.00 | liable | themill: yes, and to compile it, you need to patch the kernel and rebuild, cant be built as modules, but its in the 22 kernel now |
| 09:38.02 | themill | DustyBin: can you give us a url to the howto? |
| 09:38.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 09:38.22 | liable | thats firmware |
| 09:38.29 | liable | not module source |
| 09:38.34 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: that's only the firmware, you also need the module from that website |
| 09:39.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Okay |
| 09:39.30 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: try building the latest stable, but i dont know how it will go with the 22 kernel. |
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| 09:39.45 | liable | they release iwl versions with matching mac80211 versions |
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| 09:40.03 | liable | so you may need to try an older one, or just get wireless-dev kernel source |
| 09:40.05 | themill | liable: do you know if the iwl module is heading towards being packaged for debian? or will it just go into mainline? |
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| 09:40.46 | liable | themill: its in wireless-dev, waiting to go into main |
| 09:41.03 | themill | nice. |
| 09:41.12 | liable | the devs bitched about endianity issues, and lots of other shit, they are working on it now |
| 09:41.27 | themill | lkml devs? |
| 09:41.31 | liable | yeah |
| 09:41.45 | themill | sounds like par for the course |
| 09:41.47 | liable | morton and koah and the like |
| 09:42.55 | liable | make some patches then :) |
| 09:43.08 | DA-Laptop | Is http://intellinuxwireless.org/iwlwifi/downloads/iwlwifi-1.0.0-1.tgz what I'm supposed to download? |
| 09:43.34 | LightKnight | Hi there :) Iceweasel 2.0.0.5-0etch1+lenny1 on Debian Lenny (testing). When I try to open http://www.hattrick.org it just segfaults without other messages. Tried debugging mode (with -gdb installed) and got "Cannot find user-level thread for LWP 5625: generic error" and "Cannot fetch general-purpose registers for thread -1234224240: generic error". What could be wrong? |
| 09:43.36 | themill | DA-Laptop: that's the snapshot of the module that they recommend you use, yes |
| 09:43.44 | DA-Laptop | k |
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| 09:44.59 | themill | LightKnight: -0etch1 works fine for me on that site. Where's that package from? |
| 09:45.25 | LightKnight | themill: security.d.o.; worked fine till yesterday. |
| 09:45.53 | freenot | is the package that satisfies "Development install of x11 (e.g. xorg-x11-dev)" => x-dev ? |
| 09:45.58 | themill | ahh I didn't have lenny/updates in my sources.list so I didn't see it. |
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| 09:47.30 | themill | hmmm... so lenny/updates is lagging etch/updates on an iceweasel security fix. Interesting. |
| 09:48.31 | cast | security team don't support testing, do they? |
| 09:48.39 | themill | cast: well, they sort of do |
| 09:48.52 | liable | they do yeah |
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| 09:49.02 | themill | cast: they released a 2.0.0.5 for iceweasel, for example |
| 09:49.20 | cast | since what release have the security team supported testing? |
| 09:49.31 | cast | lenny? |
| 09:49.42 | themill | just before etch, I think. or maybe sarge |
| 09:49.49 | LightKnight | uhm, like April 2006 I'd say, but I'd have to peruse debian-d-a archives :) |
| 09:50.01 | cast | ahh. alright. |
| 09:50.18 | themill | cast: http://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing |
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| 09:51.34 | daaf | what file should i edit to change permanently the hostname? |
| 09:51.44 | themill | daaf: /etc/hostname |
| 09:51.46 | themill | speaking of security updates, there's a pile of kde updates in etch today but there is no DSA for them that I can find. Anyone know what they're for? |
| 09:52.09 | daaf | themill, it stays the same on system next boot |
| 09:52.58 | themill | ? |
| 09:53.09 | liable | heh, where did he pick internode up from? |
| 09:53.19 | liable | oops |
| 09:54.23 | sep | themill, not http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/debian-security-announce-2007/msg00117.html ? |
| 09:54.28 | DA-Laptop | Ok, how so I compile this iwlwifi thing? |
| 09:54.35 | DA-Laptop | No configure files or anything |
| 09:55.46 | themill | sep: thanks. How silly of me to look in the list of DSAs: http://www.debian.org/security/#DSAS |
| 09:56.11 | freenot | what is the correct debian package for this => xorg-x11-dev ? been through packages.debian, unsure of correct choice |
| 09:57.15 | themill | freenot: depends what specific files you are looking for, but xorg-dev will pick up all x11 -dev packages. |
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| 09:57.50 | freenot | themill: k, installing Xen and the xen README asks for " Development install of x11 (e.g. xorg-x11-dev)" |
| 09:58.05 | dfldf | hellows, anyone using the relakks.com service here ? |
| 09:58.10 | themill | freenot: Xen from debian source? |
| 09:58.19 | freenot | no, xen source |
| 09:58.34 | DA-Laptop | dfldf: No, I prefer TOR |
| 09:58.48 | DA-Laptop | Primarily cause it's not centralized, as well as free of charge |
| 09:58.54 | themill | freenot: you could look at the debian build-deps for some hints too |
| 09:58.58 | freenot | themill: i'm running on amd64, xen support is a bit fragmented |
| 09:59.05 | parth_ | can anyone help with aptoncd |
| 09:59.19 | freenot | themill: k, thanks |
| 09:59.30 | dfldf | DA-Laptop: hmyeah, ... makes sense, but the money is not an issue, and tor speed is too low, interesting concept though |
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| 10:00.34 | DA-Laptop | dfldf: I guess. But from what I understand, Relakks is a mere VPN provider |
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| 10:00.54 | DA-Laptop | Whereas TOR is actually intended to anonymize |
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| 10:02.09 | dfldf | DA-Laptop: yes it is, .... true, the people at Relakks rely on sweden's reasonable strong privacy law,... but I have the impression that their network is the wild west |
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| 10:02.42 | dfldf | DA-Laptop: they have rediculous response times for the moment, ..; I guess they are suffering some sort of DOS attack |
| 10:04.34 | parth_ | how do i backup all the packages that i have installed on my system |
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| 10:05.32 | liable | what do you mean? |
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| 10:09.09 | fireba11 | parth_ : you mean like dpkg --get-selections > file ? |
| 10:09.10 | dfldf | parth_ I don't know if this is something you can use, .. but I clone systems i'm happy with,.... so I can just put the clone back on the machine in case of emergency: http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/ |
| 10:10.05 | parth_ | actually i use aptoncd |
| 10:10.14 | parth_ | n ow i made backup long ago |
| 10:10.22 | parth_ | i made some updates later |
| 10:10.35 | parth_ | now those updates arent there in the cache |
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| 10:10.54 | parth_ | so i cannot use aptoncd |
| 10:11.00 | parth_ | to make a backup |
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| 10:11.20 | iwkse | hi all, how's called the package for alsa headers? |
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| 10:12.39 | michup | hi, i have system withou GUI, i try to burn cd with cdrecord but i blew 2 now, so im seeking for help before i run out of cds |
| 10:13.22 | themill | liable, fireba11: http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net |
| 10:13.53 | cast | michup: its called wodim now in stable, btw. what do you mean blew? they burnt but you can't mount? |
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| 10:14.08 | parth_ | can i just retrieve the packages that i have installed on the system using apt |
| 10:14.35 | cast | they'll be in apts cache in /var |
| 10:14.53 | iwkse | ah libasound-dev...not easy name |
| 10:15.04 | themill | parth_: if you did an apt-get clean or autoclean then apt's cache will have been emptied. |
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| 10:15.14 | cast | [/var/cache/apt/archives] |
| 10:15.15 | JarJarBinks | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:15.16 | michup | cdrecord said warning: pudding up to secsize (by 1458 bytes) |
| 10:15.27 | michup | there was many this messages |
| 10:15.38 | cast | michup: well, thats a warning. did the cd work? |
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| 10:16.12 | michup | sense key: 0x3 medium error, deffered error. segment 0 |
| 10:16.13 | michup | etc |
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| 10:16.27 | themill | parth_: you should be able to provoke apt-get or aptitude to reinstall the packages but download only to repopulate your apt cache |
| 10:16.33 | michup | cdrecord: a write error occured |
| 10:17.20 | themill | parth_: actually, synaptic would allow you to easily view all packages, select all, reintall all, download only, if that's the sort of thing you need. |
| 10:17.37 | michup | i use command # cdrecord dev=/dev/hdb -data * |
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| 10:18.25 | yang | for enabling ident to work I forwarded port 113 to my LAN box, but it doesnt seem to work? |
| 10:18.26 | parth_ | ok |
| 10:18.31 | michup | no cd is not working i cant mount it |
| 10:18.42 | parth_ | so all the installed packages will be downloaded |
| 10:18.48 | michup | i try on second laptop with windows and it didnt recognize cd two |
| 10:18.53 | michup | says its empty |
| 10:18.57 | parth_ | is that wat you are trying to say |
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| 10:19.10 | Qaira | hello all, i have recently installed debian etch by first just choosing the standard system and when the system was up with "aptitude" i installed kde and the rest |
| 10:19.15 | Qaira | but the sound doesn't work |
| 10:19.36 | Guerin | Qaira: /msg dpkg sound |
| 10:19.42 | cast | you could dpkg -l and iterate over the output with aptitude download, too |
| 10:19.43 | Qaira | through modconf, i have checked the sound driver and it says A97 is installed |
| 10:19.52 | themill | parth_: yes, that sounds like what you are trying to do |
| 10:20.34 | Qaira | Guerin: if I find out that some part is not installed then what command can i use for sound controling? sndconfig doesn't work |
| 10:20.43 | michup | i think im doing something wrong with composing this command well right? |
| 10:21.00 | parth_ | wat if some packages are present in cache |
| 10:21.07 | parth_ | will they also be downloaded |
| 10:21.28 | parth_ | or only those which arent there in the cache will be downloaded |
| 10:21.42 | themill | parth_: only cache misses should be downloaded, I think |
| 10:22.18 | parth_ | ok thanks a lot themill |
| 10:22.25 | themill | parth_: Is this a way of taking updates from one machine (say, at work) to another machine that is offline (say, at home)? |
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| 10:22.34 | parth_ | yup |
| 10:22.49 | parth_ | i use aptoncd |
| 10:23.03 | themill | parth_: nice. we had a couple of questions about that the other day but noone had any ideas about how to do it sensibly. |
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| 10:23.10 | themill | parth_: nice. we had a couple of questions about that the other day but noone had any ideas about how to do it sensibly. |
| 10:23.18 | themill | oops |
| 10:23.19 | parth_ | which creates a repository based on the packages in the cache |
| 10:23.38 | themill | yes, I saw that.... integrating nicely with apt-cdrom. |
| 10:23.40 | parth_ | now when u install kubuntu from the single cd |
| 10:23.55 | themill | parth_: install what?????? |
| 10:24.14 | parth_ | kubuntu... |
| 10:24.22 | sleek | it seems as if my volume control changes against a log function |
| 10:24.26 | parth_ | or any debian based distro |
| 10:24.31 | themill | :) |
| 10:24.35 | themill | that's better |
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| 10:24.52 | sleek | it suddenly gets very loud at the 90% top side. |
| 10:24.55 | cast | debian based is still OT |
| 10:25.03 | michup | do i have to create the image with files first... before burning it? |
| 10:25.07 | BadRobot | hi there |
| 10:25.28 | michup | i mean iso image file which contains in this case my photos? |
| 10:25.33 | themill | cast: aptoncd is a generic apt/apt-cdrom tool which is in debian though ;) |
| 10:25.37 | cast | michup: normally thats what people do, create iso, burn iso |
| 10:25.45 | BadRobot | i need to know from you guys if it is easy to use Debian,i am thinking to install it on my laptop, |
| 10:25.53 | sleek | it sure is for me |
| 10:26.01 | themill | cast: I never create the iso first. |
| 10:26.03 | sleek | I decided to try debian 2 months ago |
| 10:26.04 | michup | even with ordinary files? |
| 10:26.09 | BadRobot | how about codecs,flash-player and dvd playback? |
| 10:26.14 | sleek | the experience is better than any distro I have tried |
| 10:26.15 | sleek | works |
| 10:26.15 | BadRobot | or what about |
| 10:26.20 | freenot | BadRobot: depends on your linux knowledge, you need some idea about things |
| 10:26.30 | BadRobot | i have some |
| 10:26.38 | sleek | yeah you will need to be able to read. |
| 10:26.45 | sleek | :) |
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| 10:26.46 | cast | themill: not even first in the sense of mkisofs|wodim? |
| 10:26.52 | BadRobot | i have had used ubuntu,*bsd and fedora |
| 10:27.01 | BadRobot | for about 6 months |
| 10:27.07 | freenot | BadRobot: then you will be ok if you accept defaults |
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| 10:27.16 | BadRobot | i know how to use some command line too |
| 10:27.55 | themill | cast: I guess that's true, but I don't separately create the image and then burn it unless I have huge files or lots and lots of small files in which case it seems more polite for the old hardware to do it in two stages. |
| 10:28.01 | freenot | the debian installer is pretty good, you should be fine, i wanted a base install and accidentally ended up with a working gnome desktop, haha |
| 10:29.04 | JarJarBinks | compiling fglrx kernel-module gives this error?? FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module fglrx.ko uses GPL-only symbol |
| 10:30.04 | themill | !tell JarJarBinks about fglrx 2.6.21 |
| 10:30.34 | JarJarBinks | lol thanks themill |
| 10:30.53 | Guerin | not unlucky - just stupid for using fglrx |
| 10:31.06 | JarJarBinks | Guerin: I think that's my own business.. |
| 10:31.17 | BadRobot | i hope it works then,i have been having some problems to install distro's on this laptop,specially KDE's. |
| 10:31.25 | Guerin | JarJarBinks: indeed it is; as are my own views on it. |
| 10:31.31 | themill | JarJarBinks: either use a newer or older kernel, recompile 2.6.21 without PARAVIRT or hack at the fglrx source to pretend that it's actually GPL licenced. |
| 10:31.45 | JarJarBinks | themill: thanks |
| 10:31.50 | DustyBin | JarJarBinks: im yet to solve that problem |
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| 10:32.11 | themill | JarJarBinks: or not use fglrx and/or hassle ati/amd to release their fscking driver as free software |
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| 10:32.36 | Guerin | those options are in the long-term the only pragmatic way forward |
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| 10:32.56 | DustyBin | the problem is fixed in 2.6.22 |
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| 10:33.22 | Techdeck_ | does anyone know a text-based program that does side by side diff? |
| 10:33.32 | themill | JarJarBinks: using any out-of-tree driver is problematic. It gets broken in most kernel releases although usually not that badly. |
| 10:34.11 | Techdeck_ | like diff between two files, the old file on the left, the right file on the right (in an mc like interface), when you scroll down in one, it scrolls down with both screens |
| 10:34.18 | themill | Techdeck_: sdiff |
| 10:34.32 | JarJarBinks | vimdiff |
| 10:34.46 | Techdeck_ | thank you |
| 10:34.53 | themill | Techdeck_: (or kdiff3 if you want a gui, but it sounds like you don't) |
| 10:37.01 | cast | does tar store your username or uid? |
| 10:37.08 | themill | uid |
| 10:37.13 | Techdeck_ | wow, vimdiff is uber! |
| 10:37.15 | cast | excellent. |
| 10:37.55 | Techdeck_ | how do I switch between them? |
| 10:37.57 | Techdeck_ | in case I want to edit? |
| 10:38.06 | cast | themill: wait...you sure, why is there a --numeric-owner option? |
| 10:38.43 | themill | cast: I thought I was sure.... |
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| 10:38.52 | cast | hmm |
| 10:39.11 | Guerin | cast: concocts |
| 10:39.26 | Guerin | what you said is ... something else |
| 10:39.28 | JarJarBinks | so how does anybody use compiz now -- It's officially part of debian, I was (1 hour ago) running lenny with a stock 2.6.18 kernel, to install fglrx I needed kernel headers, which I couldn't grab for 2.6.18 with my current sources, so I updated to 2.6.21 and got the headers too. now I had an system just upgraded, and it happens that I can't run xorg 7.2 but must downgrade to 7.1... _and_ I now find out I must also downgrade the kernel |
| 10:39.40 | Guerin | sounds like you're making chicken soup or something |
| 10:40.02 | Guerin | JarJarBinks: welcome to Testing. Enjoy your stay. |
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| 10:40.09 | JarJarBinks | Guerin: :) |
| 10:40.14 | Guerin | JarJarBinks: be happy you don't run unstable :) |
| 10:40.30 | JarJarBinks | hehe, I used to... this is my fooling arround partition of my laptop |
| 10:40.38 | JarJarBinks | I got a stable debian on the other half |
| 10:40.53 | Guerin | i still use unstable, but it's because I'm stupid and reckless |
| 10:41.02 | JarJarBinks | I would however like to impress all the windows ppl, when I present my master thesis in 14 days |
| 10:41.13 | Guerin | JarJarBinks: hah. |
| 10:41.19 | JarJarBinks | so combiz would be fun |
| 10:41.42 | Guerin | JarJarBinks: I'm working on a research proposal for mine now. But it doesn't involve any nifty graphics. |
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| 10:42.11 | Haris | Ok! its asking for me for software selection |
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| 10:42.49 | themill | cast: my bad... it does store usernames unless you ask it nicely not to. |
| 10:42.56 | Haris | I select desktop apps, web, dns, file, mail, sql servers, standard system <- Is this possible from dvd1? |
| 10:43.29 | cast | themill: you know, i made a .tar, moved it to another computer...sunos tar tvf said 1000/1000, gtar tvf said my username [which has a completely different, not 1000, uid on that machine] so i think its both |
| 10:43.39 | sleek | JarJarBinks indeed ! |
| 10:44.03 | delliott | Haris, I'm not sure there is a definitive guide to what you can install from each piece of installation media |
| 10:44.32 | Guerin | Haris: most of it should be on dvd 1. |
| 10:44.34 | xlotlu | JarJarBinks: could compile it yourself.. there's a script that does all the work and builds packages for debian |
| 10:44.36 | Guerin | !cd contents |
| 10:44.36 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 10:44.47 | Guerin | Haris: ↑ those will tell you for sure |
| 10:45.01 | Haris | That seems to be for CDs |
| 10:45.03 | cast | neat, meant to see if i could spot my username in a .tar, went less .tar and it printed out the contents :) |
| 10:45.06 | Guerin | though, hm, it looks like sarge |
| 10:45.23 | Guerin | Haris: the jigdo method will work for anything. |
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| 10:46.18 | themill | cast: You're right if I specify the --numeric-owner flag when inspecting a tarball then it shows uids, otherwise the usernames. |
| 10:46.29 | JarJarBinks | xlotlu: thanks I'll reboot in the stable debian and search for the script |
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| 10:47.01 | xlotlu | JarJarBinks: git://anongit.opencompositing.org/users/3v1n0/compiz-fusion-debian-builder |
| 10:47.25 | JarJarBinks | ahh thanks |
| 10:47.31 | tarzeau | hah and they think i'm a hardcore bub-n-bros player: http://tukijaverkosto.org/photography/nerds/ropecon2007/friday/DSC_7238.html |
| 10:47.40 | themill | cast: but if you make the tarball with --numeric-owner then usernames are not stored, only uids. |
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| 10:48.18 | yang | for enabling ident to work I forwarded port 113 to my LAN box, but it doesnt seem to work? |
| 10:48.19 | BadRobot | so does debian uses the same programs as ubuntu or debian based distro |
| 10:48.21 | BadRobot | ? |
| 10:48.41 | cast | BadRobot: if there is a yes no answer to that, the answer is no |
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| 10:49.02 | tarzeau | BadRobot: debian has more software than ubuntu. and newer too, most of the time |
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| 10:49.20 | yang | BadRobot: it has more developers |
| 10:49.27 | yang | BadRobot: debian |
| 10:49.40 | JarJarBinks | BadRobot: and doesn't use proprietary stuff |
| 10:49.48 | tarzeau | JarJarBinks: yes they do |
| 10:49.56 | JarJarBinks | in main |
| 10:49.59 | JarJarBinks | :) |
| 10:50.07 | tarzeau | JarJarBinks: proprietary stuff are unpuzzled and used |
| 10:50.21 | tarzeau | JarJarBinks: even in main, proprietary standards are implemented in a free way |
| 10:50.29 | JarJarBinks | like fglrx??? |
| 10:50.31 | tarzeau | JarJarBinks: you mean stuff without source |
| 10:50.38 | tarzeau | JarJarBinks: no but that's binary only without source |
| 10:51.13 | JarJarBinks | tarzeau: to make it clear to me: fglrx is not proprietary? |
| 10:51.19 | tarzeau | JarJarBinks: yes it is |
| 10:51.22 | JarJarBinks | ok |
| 10:51.27 | tarzeau | JarJarBinks: but proprietary doesn't mean it can't be in debian |
| 10:51.37 | tarzeau | JarJarBinks: fglrx is not in debian because we don't have its source |
| 10:51.45 | JarJarBinks | so to be in debian the source should be available |
| 10:51.47 | tarzeau | JarJarBinks: and even if you have the source, the license can say you may not distribute it |
| 10:51.48 | JarJarBinks | "free" |
| 10:52.04 | tarzeau | JarJarBinks: not only the source, but also a license saying you can change and distribute it freely |
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| 10:52.34 | JarJarBinks | tarzeau: and again correct me if I'm wrong, ubuntu ppl doesn't care about that |
| 10:52.42 | JarJarBinks | ? |
| 10:52.54 | tarzeau | JarJarBinks: they do, but they also include a few stuff that's not free. and i'm not sure if it's really on the cds |
| 10:53.03 | tarzeau | JarJarBinks: or if users run some tool that downloads and installs it |
| 10:53.27 | JarJarBinks | I believe the ubuntu disc I booted used fglrx by "default" |
| 10:53.49 | JarJarBinks | it is some time ago, so I may be mistaken |
| 10:54.23 | simonrvn | it does include some non-free stuff, both nvidia-glx* and fglrx |
| 10:54.55 | JarJarBinks | the point was, that BadRobot doesn't have to fiddle as much with drivers for hardware... most things are configured without the user explicitly telling it to be |
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| 10:56.03 | JarJarBinks | okay, think I got it :) |
| 10:56.09 | simonrvn | that's really nice for newbies, but it gets in the way for oldbies. unless the oldbie is feeling lazy that day ;P |
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| 10:56.20 | JarJarBinks | exactly |
| 10:56.22 | andyp_ | hi |
| 10:56.22 | niru | Realtek RTL8169/8110 Family Gigabit Ethernet NIC |
| 10:56.26 | antum | hi there, i've just done a apt-get upgrade on a remote machine through ssh and it got to the point where it says "Setting up openssh-server" and it's frozen... I'm guessing it has disconnected me? |
| 10:56.33 | niru | where can i get driver for the above |
| 10:56.44 | JarJarBinks | antum: reconnect |
| 10:56.56 | cast | !tell antum about aptitude |
| 10:56.57 | cast | too |
| 10:56.58 | simonrvn | antum: it shouldn't be. can you ping it? |
| 10:56.59 | antum | JarJarBinks will I be reconnected with my old session? |
| 10:57.10 | xand | antum: run it inside screen |
| 10:57.17 | xand | aptitude has nothing to do with that |
| 10:57.23 | niru | Realtek RTL8169/8110 Family Gigabit Ethernet NIC |
| 10:57.24 | JarJarBinks | antum: no, but you should use screen for stuff like upgrading remotely |
| 10:57.28 | antum | xand what do you mean by inside screen? |
| 10:57.45 | antum | JarJarBinks uh oh... I have no idea what that means... |
| 10:57.49 | xand | !screen |
| 10:57.49 | dpkg | screen is probably allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or aptitude install screen |
| 10:57.53 | andyp_ | My ubs stick has a password and when i run mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb it doesnot mount is there a command line that will let me type the password? |
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| 10:58.07 | JarJarBinks | cast what do you want with the "aptitude" tell? (I |
| 10:58.11 | xand | andyp_: doubtful, that's some windows thing |
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| 10:58.36 | cast | aptitude is better :) |
| 10:58.40 | xand | nah |
| 10:58.43 | JarJarBinks | I don't like it |
| 10:58.45 | cast | i do not know if its better than testings apt-get |
| 10:58.49 | xand | it has a bad attitude |
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| 10:59.07 | cast | JarJarBinks: reason? |
| 10:59.09 | xand | "I didn't install that so I'm going to remove it!" |
| 10:59.10 | andyp_ | xand: thanks thats correct I have had the stick for sometime I guess I will have to call at my local internet cafe and disable it? |
| 10:59.16 | antum | so I'll try reconnect... is there any way to check to see if the "apt-get upgrade" has finished? |
| 10:59.50 | antum | oh crap now I can't reconnect... |
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| 11:00.08 | simonrvn | this is why i asked "can you ping it" |
| 11:00.19 | JarJarBinks | cast: it's un-intuitive, and using modifier keys in shortcuts, doesn't work half the time across different terminals encodings etc. |
| 11:00.22 | cast | xand: well. i'm all for that. people should just use aptitude and not apt-get. mix the two and you have that problem. if install A pulls B and C, i think B and C should be removed if you remove A, |
| 11:00.29 | cast | JarJarBinks: aptitude install pkg |
| 11:00.47 | andyp_ | xand; ok thanks - |
| 11:01.00 | JarJarBinks | cast: you would save one character by typing: apt-get install pkg |
| 11:01.01 | JarJarBinks | :) |
| 11:01.07 | JarJarBinks | hehe |
| 11:01.17 | cast | JarJarBinks: well, on my box you save lots by typing Ai pkg :) |
| 11:01.24 | JarJarBinks | :) |
| 11:01.27 | xand | cast: probably, but you're asking him to do just that (mix) |
| 11:01.44 | cast | xand: was i asking him to mix or switch? :) |
| 11:01.52 | themill | tab completion, people... |
| 11:01.58 | JarJarBinks | zsh for the win |
| 11:02.00 | simonrvn | themill: mind reader |
| 11:02.01 | antum | simonrvn I can no longer ping my machine... |
| 11:02.17 | JarJarBinks | antum: grab your bike and visit the puter |
| 11:02.21 | xand | cast: switching has the same problem |
| 11:02.32 | simonrvn | antum: openssh doesn't kill the session when the server is restarted, that's why i asked |
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| 11:03.00 | cast | xand: yes, which one can address within a minute or two in the ncurses interface |
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| 11:03.03 | antum | JarJarBinks, sounds like the only way to fix it... only problem is I'm in New Zealand and the server is in Germany! d'oh! |
| 11:03.15 | JarJarBinks | lol, omg |
| 11:03.29 | antum | simonrvn does setting up openssh-server restart the computer, do you know? |
| 11:03.30 | JarJarBinks | antum: it would be faster for me to walk to your computer then |
| 11:03.34 | themill | antum: we should do a swap.... I'm in .uk and I'm looking after machines in .au.... |
| 11:03.42 | simonrvn | antum: ouch. i see an expensive phone call (or cheaper email) to the datacentre coming up soon in antum's future :P |
| 11:03.50 | simonrvn | antum: no it doesn't |
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| 11:03.56 | antum | themill hehe, yeah that would make more sense! |
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| 11:04.37 | simonrvn | no kidding heh |
| 11:04.45 | antum | I've just sent an email off to the hosts... hopefully they can help :) |
| 11:04.46 | simonrvn | *2 |
| 11:04.52 | fireba11 | JarJarBinks: why ? i did that too |
| 11:05.05 | JarJarBinks | you are brave too then fireba11 |
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| 11:05.11 | fireba11 | antum : just ooc .. what hoster ? |
| 11:05.14 | cast | xand: regardless all debian uses should know of aptitude :), it is what is recommended for big upgrades afterall |
| 11:05.14 | themill | JarJarBinks: actually, I'll confess to having done that many times.... |
| 11:05.28 | antum | Hosted Projects... www.hosted-projects.com |
| 11:05.30 | themill | JarJarBinks: only went pants once.... |
| 11:05.49 | simonrvn | doesn't take courage ;). just not having it installed :P |
| 11:06.04 | JarJarBinks | I've just getting used to being disconnected due to university firewalls dropping the connection... or bad gateways rebooting in the building... |
| 11:06.17 | antum | well I better go do something constructive before I take this server outage too seriously... thanks for your help everyone :) |
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| 11:06.28 | JarJarBinks | good luck antum |
| 11:06.34 | antum | cheers, see ya |
| 11:06.35 | simonrvn | antum: GL |
| 11:07.20 | simonrvn | mna that sucks, connection dying in the middle of an update |
| 11:07.41 | themill | you've got to be unlucky |
| 11:07.48 | JarJarBinks | sure |
| 11:07.59 | themill | sounds like one of those "should have stayed in bed" days |
| 11:08.01 | JarJarBinks | but why not use belt and suspenders |
| 11:08.11 | simonrvn | themill: hehe yeh really =) |
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| 11:14.46 | Haris | What does it do when it says 'retrieving files this of that' during the setup? |
| 11:15.14 | Haris | Retrieving file 626 of 714 |
| 11:15.31 | themill | it's getting packages either from CD or network |
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| 11:16.38 | bullgard4 | What is an 'infobox' in Linux? I found differing uses of this term but no definition. |
| 11:17.57 | petemc | a box that has information inside it? |
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| 11:18.22 | kiorky | yo |
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| 11:18.49 | themill | I've never really come across the term except on wikipedia where they use it to mean the summary box at the top of the page. Perhaps it's a type of dialogue box? |
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| 11:22.08 | kiorky | is there a way to do slot in debs like we can have on gentoo ? |
| 11:22.15 | kiorky | is someone has some docs on it |
| 11:22.26 | petemc | "do slot" ? |
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| 11:22.41 | kiorky | YEs, to have concurrent versions of a same package |
| 11:22.46 | larco | hello, is there a way to find out the date of the system instalation ? |
| 11:22.53 | kiorky | like gtk-1.2 and gtk-2 |
| 11:22.55 | petemc | kiorky: for some things, like gcc, yes |
| 11:23.08 | themill | larco: /var/log/installer/ |
| 11:23.35 | kiorky | petemc: have you some docs on deb writting according to that ? |
| 11:23.40 | petemc | i do not |
| 11:23.49 | petemc | you're making your own debs? |
| 11:24.14 | larco | themill ok i can see Jun 12 ... but can't fint the year |
| 11:24.31 | kiorky | Well, we want to deploy some apps with modular dependencies, and maybe making debs of our module will save us from rewritting a package manager. |
| 11:24.48 | themill | kiorky: debian policy and the new maintainers guide would be the places to look. |
| 11:24.54 | themill | !tell kiorky about nmg |
| 11:25.50 | kiorky | yes but i saw nothing about slot on that : http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
| 11:26.06 | themill | kiorky: where does this word slot come from? |
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| 11:26.24 | kiorky | gentoo world (its not a troll dont kill me :) ) |
| 11:26.26 | simonrvn | debian woudnl't use the same terminology necessarily... |
| 11:26.33 | simonrvn | wouldn't* |
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| 11:26.52 | themill | I'm not sure what it means so i can't point you towards a debian equiv... |
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| 11:27.35 | mha | what do you do when you get a /var/lib/dpkg/{available,available-old} filled with \0? |
| 11:28.03 | themill | larco: is that in the output from ls -l or in the log file? |
| 11:28.17 | kiorky | themill: i want to install concurrent versons of a same program somewhere like /path/prog-1.0 /path/prog-2.0 and /path/prog where /path/prog is current and the others are oldies |
| 11:28.53 | themill | kiorky: ok, so when you make the debs, you put the binaries into those versioned paths. |
| 11:28.56 | kiorky | And beyond that, i want to have the possibility to indicate dependencies checling in others ebs |
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| 11:29.11 | kiorky | like =prog or =prog-2.0 |
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| 11:29.15 | themill | kiorky: you can indicate versioned dependencies in the debs. It's all in the nmg |
| 11:29.41 | kiorky | ok |
| 11:29.49 | themill | kiorky: you should also investigate the alternatives system to see how to handle what the default version of a program should be. Like gcc-4.2 vs gcc-3.3 etc |
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| 11:30.11 | themill | !tell kiorky about alternatives |
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| 11:30.39 | kiorky | ok thanks :) |
| 11:33.21 | simonrvn | mha: no biggie, you can regenerate that easily. dselect update |
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| 11:34.03 | mha | simonrvn: thanks. :) |
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| 11:36.01 | sciboy | Hello, I was wondering if there's a way to have a command available for a particular user without invoking its path manually or having to go into root and create symlinks in /usr/local/bin? |
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| 11:36.18 | xand | sciboy: ~/bin/ ? |
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| 11:37.15 | themill | sciboy: $HOME/bin is the usual place for an individual user to stick stuff, although that path isn't always in $PATH by default but it would be acceptable to add it in system-wide |
| 11:38.04 | SuperSSS | /w/n |
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| 11:38.22 | sciboy | Ah there we go, $PATH |
| 11:38.30 | sciboy | Cheers Mr. Mill. |
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| 11:38.44 | themill | np |
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| 11:42.50 | sciboy | I added "export $PATH=$PATH\:$HOME/.local/bin" to my .bashrc |
| 11:45.51 | themill | sciboy: you don't need to quote the : (i.e. : is OK, \: is unnecesary) That should work though. |
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| 11:48.02 | RichiH | what module provides /dev/sequencer and do you still 'need' that when you use alsa-only? |
| 11:48.39 | sciboy | themill, Scratch that having it apply that every time I open a terminal was stupid, I'm just going to add it to /etc/environment |
| 11:49.14 | liable | RichiH: snd-senq-oss i think |
| 11:49.32 | themill | sciboy: .bashrc should be sourced every time you log in. you shouldn't need to do anything special each time |
| 11:49.33 | liable | snd-seq-oss |
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| 11:50.28 | RichiH | liable: is there an alsa way to do this? |
| 11:50.46 | liable | RichiH: dont know |
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| 11:51.10 | RichiH | k, ta |
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| 11:54.33 | loesh | hmm, how would i go about uninstalling a packaga i manually installed with dpkg -i ? |
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| 11:54.41 | test | anyone know why i dont see the ToS field in ip packets in tcpdump |
| 11:54.49 | themill | loesh: dpkg -r |
| 11:54.56 | Haris | Where do I upload images to ask Qs? |
| 11:55.13 | loesh | themill, thanks :) |
| 11:55.23 | Penix | Haris: what? |
| 11:55.35 | sciboy | Brb |
| 11:55.38 | Haris | Penix: What's so difficult in that sentence? |
| 11:55.44 | abrotman | loesh: or apt-get remove |
| 11:56.07 | Haris | I'm installing debian 4. I have an image of a screen during install that I need to ask a Q about |
| 11:56.18 | Penix | Haris: then ask |
| 11:56.20 | xand | !screenshot |
| 11:56.20 | dpkg | screenshot is probably 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 11:56.22 | xand | umm |
| 11:56.22 | Haris | Is there some place we can paste images, as we do with text |
| 11:56.25 | xand | !paste |
| 11:56.25 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 11:56.28 | xand | there |
| 11:56.34 | Haris | Thankyou! |
| 11:56.43 | niru | how can i take screenshot of login screen |
| 11:56.46 | niru | how can i take screenshot of login screen |
| 11:57.15 | Haris | http://picpaste.com/debianintall.PNG |
| 11:57.16 | xand | !import |
| 11:57.16 | dpkg | hmm... import is part of imagemagick |
| 11:57.27 | xand | niru: the import command probably, you need imagemagick |
| 11:57.34 | Haris | I don't understand what its asking me? |
| 11:57.41 | Haris | why would libc not support maildirs? |
| 11:57.50 | Haris | libc that comes in dvd1 of debian 4 |
| 11:58.00 | niru | xand, import? |
| 11:58.02 | Haris | I thought debian 4 was a relatively new version of the OS? |
| 11:58.07 | xand | niru: yes. |
| 11:58.13 | xand | niru: it takes screenshots |
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| 11:58.28 | xand | niru: you'd need to login to the machine using ssh or something to run it |
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| 11:58.33 | niru | xand, I want to take screenshot of the login screen |
| 11:58.37 | niru | is it possible |
| 11:58.51 | xand | try import like I suggested |
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| 11:59.06 | niru | xand, import tell the full command |
| 11:59.10 | niru | xand, import what |
| 11:59.25 | themill | !tell niru about screenshot |
| 11:59.25 | xand | read te manual |
| 11:59.42 | abrotman | Haris: libc-client isn't libc6 |
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| 12:00.18 | themill | niru: if you ssh in then you'll probably need to set $DISPLAY too otherwise import won't know what to connect to. You'd need to run it as root, too. |
| 12:00.52 | Haris | abrotman: Ok, so should I install it or not? |
| 12:01.08 | Haris | The problem is, I had to remove the NIC so install could at least go through its complete process once |
| 12:01.22 | Haris | with the NIC enabled, vmware would cause an error during network device detection |
| 12:01.29 | Haris | in debian setup |
| 12:01.34 | abrotman | Haris: read the question and decide yourself |
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| 12:03.05 | Haris | I guess, no is a sensible selection at this point? |
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| 12:03.47 | abrotman | did you actually read it ? |
| 12:04.09 | wij32 | hey, anyone know a util that gets windows netbios usernames. like enum.exe for windows. Ive tried smb-nat and nbtscan but they only get netbios shares and server name, not usernamees. any ideas? |
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| 12:05.03 | abrotman | wij32: i think there's a way with smbclient .. check the samba.org docs |
| 12:05.04 | Haris | Ofcourse, 3 times |
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| 12:05.41 | LightKnight | Duh. Rebooted the machine and my problem with iceweasel disappeared. Guess it's (again) a faulty memory issue. Thanks anyhow :) |
| 12:05.41 | themill | wij32: nmblookup ? |
| 12:05.56 | wij32 | thanks both: il check them out now. |
| 12:06.25 | themill | wij32: bah.. username not machine name... sorry, not nmblookup ;) |
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| 12:07.19 | SerajewelKS | Haris: are you planning to use an imap server? |
| 12:07.28 | abrotman | wij32: maybe ask #samba |
| 12:07.36 | wij32 | thanks guys. |
| 12:07.39 | themill | wij32: how can you get the usernames? from a remove server? or for those who are currently connected? |
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| 12:08.16 | sciboy | Mill still here? |
| 12:08.25 | Haris | SerajewelKS: ofcourse |
| 12:08.29 | Haris | SerajewelKS: this is a testing box at home |
| 12:08.42 | sciboy | Turns out there's an if statement in .bash_profile that looks for ~/bin |
| 12:08.43 | Haris | SerajewelKS: I'm going to build web, mail, db and all kind of things on it |
| 12:09.09 | sciboy | I ended up adding the extra variable for ~/.local/bin just below it. |
| 12:09.40 | SerajewelKS | Haris: my guess is that you can say yes, and really it doesn't matter because if something breaks you can reconfigure the package later |
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| 12:09.59 | themill | sciboy: in the default .bash_profile? nice.... I've not seen it for years as I've been carrying around my own tailored one that's just been growing for 10 years or so.... it probably should be called .bad_habits not .bash_profile these days |
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| 12:10.31 | Haris | SerajewelKS: I see |
| 12:10.32 | themill | sciboy: .bash_profile is only sourced for login shells. Make sure you run bash or xterm or whatever with -ls to make it a login shell. Or change the xresource for xterm etc. |
| 12:11.08 | sciboy | themill, Really? Because I open the terminal and it works perfectly, no restart. |
| 12:11.39 | themill | sciboy: OK. Your terminal program must start bash with -ls by default then. Most don't for some unknown reason. |
| 12:12.22 | sleek | "I've been with users and losers and seen all of their games" |
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| 12:16.19 | SerajewelKS | themill: alias gerp='echo You tool.' |
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| 12:18.46 | debint | hello. i tried finding a package checkinstall but could not get in in repository is there an other thing i should use for making .deb from source? |
| 12:20.26 | LightKnight | debint: apt-build or dpkg-buildpackage |
| 12:20.48 | LightKnight | !build |
| 12:20.48 | dpkg | http://www.penguin-soft.com/penguin/man/1/dpkg-buildpackage.html |
| 12:21.17 | debint | oh tnx sounds more logical then checkinstall :) |
| 12:21.28 | LightKnight | :-) |
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| 12:22.02 | LightKnight | debint: if you wish to know deeper, apt-get install maint-guide and have fun :-) |
| 12:22.47 | debint | ok |
| 12:24.03 | GutterPunk | Argh this is frustrating. I'm trying to do a basic find and cat every found file to dir/path_of_file. e.g. gpc.html needs to be catted to dir/gpc.html. |
| 12:24.24 | GutterPunk | find ./ -iname '*.html' -exec cat {} >> new/{} \; # Like this. But why doesn't this work? |
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| 12:25.03 | dragonheart | {} only gets replaced once |
| 12:25.23 | dragonheart | and to do >> you need to execute a shell |
| 12:25.36 | GutterPunk | Ah... crap :/ Basically I need to recreate all files and subdirectories in a new directory |
| 12:25.52 | dragonheart | nope there is a way - its just not that way |
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| 12:26.23 | themill | GutterPunk: mv not cat? |
| 12:26.36 | petemc | id have said cp |
| 12:26.49 | themill | *nod* |
| 12:26.50 | abrotman | GutterPunk: #bash ? |
| 12:26.52 | GutterPunk | themill, well I need to perform some sedding on the catted file |
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| 12:27.29 | petemc | GutterPunk: sed -i |
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| 12:28.13 | dragonheart | find ./ -iname '*.html' -exec sh "mkdir `dirname {}`/new \; --exec sc "cp {} new/`basename {} `" |
| 12:28.22 | dragonheart | guessing approximately |
| 12:28.35 | dragonheart | last should be dirname |
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| 12:28.45 | dokma | hello people |
| 12:28.47 | dragonheart | and a \; |
| 12:28.57 | dokma | how can I tell which Debian version is installed on my system? |
| 12:29.12 | GutterPunk | dragon, thanks |
| 12:29.18 | abrotman | !version |
| 12:29.19 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 12:29.30 | dragonheart | though a for loop is probably better with the find as the arguement or standard in (using read var) |
| 12:29.31 | dokma | abrotman: thank you alot |
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| 12:29.54 | eifzon | How can I get avant-window-navigator for my debian etch? |
| 12:30.04 | abrotman | is it a package ? |
| 12:30.48 | eifzon | NO idea :P |
| 12:31.29 | abrotman | apt-cache search avant .. is it there? |
| 12:31.40 | zoggy | http://code.google.com/p/avant-window-navigator/ |
| 12:32.11 | eifzon | Is it working well for etch then? |
| 12:32.42 | zoggy | no, not in my aptitude search avant |
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| 12:37.04 | andyp_ | hi |
| 12:37.07 | eifzon | hi |
| 12:37.57 | andyp_ | when burning a ISO image can it be done by loading the sofware from /home or should it be root? |
| 12:38.08 | andyp_ | from |
| 12:38.13 | abrotman | a user should be able to burn an ISO |
| 12:38.15 | xand | what software? |
| 12:38.21 | xand | abrotman: if they're in the cdrom group |
| 12:38.55 | andyp_ | xand: k3b on fluxbox debian etch |
| 12:38.57 | abrotman | they should still be able to |
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| 12:44.00 | andyp_ | xand; ok burning ISO was but just gave a error when calculating the checksum |
| 12:44.09 | andyp_ | ok |
| 12:44.38 | themill | andyp_: what error? |
| 12:45.18 | abrotman | CD ON FIRE! |
| 12:45.39 | themill | abrotman: stop flaming it then..... |
| 12:45.39 | zamuro | let that motha... burn! |
| 12:45.48 | themill | is it an aol cd? |
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| 12:50.20 | Russle_rassel | pls. help. trying to boot with mounted raid1 fails. In /etc/fstab there is: /dev/md0 /mnt/md0 ext3 defaults 0 0, but isn't mounted during startup. "mount -a" after that works fine . What do I do wrong ? It's gml-small I'm trying to use... |
| 12:50.58 | Russle_rassel | sorry, typo... /dev/md0 /mnt/md0 ext3 defaults 0 0 |
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| 12:51.59 | __dallix | hello every one! |
| 12:52.26 | __dallix | i am having a problem with my dvd drive. |
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| 12:53.50 | themill | !tell __dallix about smart questions |
| 12:54.00 | wrodrigues | I am having issues wiht /etc/aliases file |
| 12:54.14 | wrodrigues | sometimes sending mail to wrong users. |
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| 12:54.31 | themill | Russle_rassel: are there any error messages from when it tries to mount the first time? |
| 12:54.32 | __dallix | my problem is that it doesn't work (surprise, surprise) |
| 12:55.17 | Russle_rassel | <themill> Not as far as i can see |
| 12:55.39 | themill | Russle_rassel: not in dmesg? |
| 12:55.47 | __dallix | i think that it may be because debian says that both the floppy and the dvd drive are in at the same time. |
| 12:56.09 | __dallix | any help? |
| 12:56.23 | Russle_rassel | <themill> dmesg|grep error "nothing" |
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| 12:57.23 | Russle_rassel | "nothing" done by me |
| 12:57.39 | Russle_rassel | :) |
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| 12:58.17 | themill | __dallix: you've not really told us anything yet. You need to help us to help you. Error messages? details of your hardware? kernel version? anything? we're not mind readers. |
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| 12:59.11 | themill | Russle_rassel: perhaps wade through /var/log/dmesg to see if something jumps out. I'm taking a stab at it being a missing module at mount time, but an error message would be *really* helpful ;) |
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| 13:00.51 | SoulChild | how do i remove gdmflexiserver ? |
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| 13:02.47 | wfq | hi |
| 13:02.59 | Russle_rassel | I agree, agree, agree .... with the "very helful" !! try my best to give you all infos I have. But hard to find... |
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| 13:03.52 | somian[0] | Hello 'istas |
| 13:03.54 | themill | Russle_rassel: :) usually towards the end of the dmesg log there is an entry for successfully (or not!) mounting the filesystems |
| 13:04.06 | wfq | what was the command to know what code is set up on your system. it was something -a. I can't remember |
| 13:04.09 | somian[0] | !charset |
| 13:04.37 | somian[0] | How can I install additional charsets to my Etch system? |
| 13:05.03 | themill | somian[0]: do you mean locale, encoding or font? |
| 13:05.33 | somian[0] | Ahh, oh, silly: dpkg-reconfigure locales sound slike it will do |
| 13:05.42 | hark | SoulChild: like any other package.. |
| 13:05.58 | wfq | #join #debian-es |
| 13:05.58 | hark | wfq: code? |
| 13:06.09 | wfq | hark, I mean the charset by default |
| 13:06.13 | wfq | I can't remember |
| 13:06.21 | Haris | install 69% done |
| 13:06.47 | hark | wfq: locale? |
| 13:06.54 | wfq | that is it |
| 13:07.15 | SoulChild | hark: but the package name is not gdmflexiserver ,.. how do i find the package |
| 13:07.23 | wfq | locale -a |
| 13:07.28 | hark | SoulChild: it's gdm /msg dpkg search |
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| 13:07.33 | wfq | thanks |
| 13:07.39 | ampex | does debian store the mkfs defaults somewhere? |
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| 13:08.05 | Russle_rassel | <themill> "grep -i mount /var/log/dmesg" -> "EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode" two times. |
| 13:08.58 | themill | Russle_rassel: it's probably lines nearby that. try using less /var/log/dmesg and then search for EXT3-fs to jump to the right line |
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| 13:09.22 | roxy_ | what is the best debian compatible brand for wireless card ? (if any) |
| 13:09.26 | Russle_rassel | <themill> raid1: raid set md0 active with 2 out of 2 mirrors |
| 13:09.26 | Russle_rassel | EXT3 FS on md0, internal journal |
| 13:09.26 | Russle_rassel | EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. |
| 13:09.59 | themill | Russle_rassel: that sounds like it coming up correctly the second time you tried not it failing ;( |
| 13:10.44 | themill | roxy_: the intel chipsets are all I have exprience with and they seem to work well. |
| 13:10.51 | themill | !tell roxy_ about linux laptop |
| 13:10.53 | roxy_ | themill: thanks |
| 13:11.10 | themill | roxy_: search for installation reports for the hardware you have. |
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| 13:11.57 | themill | roxy_: the 4965 is not well supported yet. Give it another few months. 3945 requires a binary daemon that you may or may not object to (but will go away in a few months too). 2100/2200 are fine. |
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| 13:13.04 | hark | the fsf has a list too |
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| 13:13.26 | hark | http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html |
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| 13:15.16 | edwin_quijada | How can I assign rules for a few users logged into PDC with samba with windows client |
| 13:15.20 | roxy_ | is broadcom corporation a chipset or a card brand ? |
| 13:15.21 | Russle_rassel | <themill> what do you mean with "second time you tried not it failing ;( " ? Trying to reboot now, to get (possible) mor information i can provide |
| 13:15.26 | edwin_quijada | like 2003 server |
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| 13:15.40 | p_masho | I'm looking for the eaccelertor package. Anyone know if thats part of debian #4 ? |
| 13:15.49 | ampex | roxy_: probably a chipset |
| 13:16.02 | ampex | edwin_quijada: what sort of rules? |
| 13:16.35 | roxy_ | ampex: thanks |
| 13:16.47 | themill | Russle_rassel: that message showed that the mount had succeeded, so that must be when you ran mount -a manually later. |
| 13:16.56 | hark | roxy_: both |
| 13:17.30 | somian[0] | crrrrap. Still cannot mount a vfat fs with option iocharset=CP1252 |
| 13:17.41 | roxy_ | hark: apparently it works with amd64, how can I find pci card that uses it ? |
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| 13:18.20 | hark | i haven't heard good things about broadcom chipsets ;) |
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| 13:18.27 | Russle_rassel | <themill> oh, sorry. |
| 13:18.57 | ampex | roxy_: It's mostly a motherboard integrated solution |
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| 13:19.14 | somian[0] | I've tried a couple of wireless cards with GNU/Linux. |
| 13:19.39 | Russle_rassel | > <themill> here the last lines from dmesg after reboot without any commands from me... |
| 13:19.39 | Russle_rassel | > md: bind<sdc1> |
| 13:19.39 | Russle_rassel | > md: bind<sdb1> |
| 13:19.39 | Russle_rassel | > raid1: raid set md0 active with 2 out of 2 mirrors |
| 13:19.39 | Russle_rassel | > kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds |
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| 13:19.43 | ampex | roxy: oh, you're talking wireless |
| 13:20.01 | ampex | roxy: most linksys equipment uses broadcom chipsets |
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| 13:21.23 | edwin_quijada | ampex: rules like dont use explorer, or dont use anything in the client app different to mine |
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| 13:21.36 | edwin_quijada | like windows I mean this is politics |
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| 13:21.59 | Conrad_Pavel | Morning, I have a problem. I have to configure a lot of users in my debian machine, so, to make it easier for me, I configured only one user and then I copied it's home folder to all the others, but now when I log with these other users, my sound doesn't work |
| 13:22.33 | cast | Conrad_Pavel: are they all in the audio group? |
| 13:22.54 | Conrad_Pavel | What do you mean? :-) |
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| 13:23.31 | cast | notice the ownership of /dev/dsp |
| 13:23.52 | Conrad_Pavel | ok let me check |
| 13:23.53 | ampex | edwin_quijada: I don't believe that samba supports group policy processing, which is what you would need |
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| 13:26.57 | Russle_rassel | <themill> do i have to put some commands concerning the raid settings during startup? All I did is creating the formatting creating etc. the devices., but no instruction to load some raid concerning drivers e.g. |
| 13:27.10 | cast | ahh good. was really quiet. though i had dced |
| 13:27.32 | abrotman | Russle_rassel: your nick complete is broken |
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| 13:27.58 | Conrad_Pavel | cast: dsp belongs to root, at group audio |
| 13:28.25 | themill | Conrad_Pavel: so to have sound, you either have to be root or in the group audio.... |
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| 13:28.38 | Conrad_Pavel | hmmm |
| 13:28.52 | cast | Conrad_Pavel: right, and the one user that can play audio is in the audio group, right? :) so...for the other users you would... |
| 13:28.54 | Conrad_Pavel | I think I got it, I need to put thos user in the grup audio? |
| 13:29.00 | themill | Conrad_Pavel: you need to either add the users to all the groups you need in /etc/group or use some pam magic |
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| 13:29.32 | themill | Conrad_Pavel: there are probably other groups that your users should be in. Check the output of the command groups when logged in as your user that "works" |
| 13:29.45 | SoulChild | hi i use gnome but after reisntall i don't have the Debian Menu in my gnome menu, any ideas ? |
| 13:29.56 | edwin_quijada | ampex: we need control about our users. We have a lab with 80 pc clients and different class |
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| 13:30.10 | cast | SoulChild: there is a menu pkg....that *might* be what you want |
| 13:30.11 | Conrad_Pavel | hehe, thanks for helping this n00b, I will check these, "FOR GREAT JUSTICE!!!" |
| 13:30.13 | edwin_quijada | so we need control their things |
| 13:30.21 | SoulChild | cast: it is installed |
| 13:30.34 | Russle_rassel | <abrotman> what does this mean? |
| 13:30.39 | cberlo | Hi folks. Got an almost completely non-Debian question, but I've always found you guys to be really great help, so I'll ask here anyway... :) On my Debian server, I want to set up a CUPS queue that responds to socket://server:9100 and passes that directly to socket://printer:9100. Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 13:31.06 | cast | cberlo: nfi. you are aware of the cups channel though right? |
| 13:31.16 | roxy_ | when looking at that page : http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Support/Linux.html is there a way to know if it supports amd64 ? |
| 13:31.22 | cberlo | cast: Absolutely. So dead in there you can hear virtual crickets. |
| 13:31.36 | cast | ahh. :( |
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| 13:31.58 | AngusRF | I have just mounted the rootfs of another box via sshfs, and found the files in /mnt/dev are different from what I see in /dev on that box locally. the null-file for example looks like crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 [date] /dev/null locally, and like crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0, 0 [date] dev/null on the remote-box. This results in echo "foo" > /dev/null (after chroot) executed on the remote-box outputting "Permission Denied", whilst executed local |
| 13:31.58 | AngusRF | ly as expected. Also when I chroot ., there are quite many messages "bash: /dev/null: Permission Denied". |
| 13:32.14 | cberlo | Seems like a fairly straightforward idea, though. I just keep finding docs on how to use SAMBA with Windows clients to print to an LPD/LPR remote printer. I kinda want the opposite... |
| 13:33.45 | themill | Russle_rassel: I'm not sure what the problem is.... those last few lines you pasted seem to be saying that your raid should all be working and mounted. |
| 13:33.47 | AngusRF | hm I just found a website on that o_O |
| 13:34.03 | themill | cberlo: you mean print from lpd to a remote samba printer? |
| 13:35.54 | cberlo | themill: No, set up CUPS to be a remote LPD printer; I want to print from a Windows box to the printer as if it were just a "line printer" on the network. |
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| 13:36.54 | ampex | edwin_quijada: then you either need third part software or a windows server, samba won't let you do it to the best of my knowledge |
| 13:36.59 | ampex | third party rather |
| 13:37.06 | Russle_rassel | <themill> when I do a "mount -a" after login; everything works OK, but md0 is not "automounted". Can I provide any other info for finding the problem? |
| 13:37.10 | cberlo | themill: So basically, I want to set up the printer on the Windows box to print to 10.x.x.x:9100 (which should be my server IP) and have it forward to the actual printer. |
| 13:37.44 | themill | cberlo: can you use IPP rather than LPD from windoze? |
| 13:37.55 | cberlo | themill: I don't know -- can you? :) |
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| 13:38.24 | cberlo | Hey, that's a good lead -- finding docs on that...! |
| 13:38.36 | themill | cberlo: wrong emphasis.. can *you*.... :) |
| 13:39.10 | themill | cberlo: I'm sure it's possible. Or you could resort to samba.... it's not that hard to configure and windoze will be happy |
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| 13:40.22 | MTecknology | i just made a server, what's probably the easiest way to get some files back from the host? |
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| 13:40.35 | cberlo | themill: Yes, I know I could probably get samba to work to do the job, but I want to keep it super simple and no authentication. I've already got this poor server serving up to 60 thin clients, running squid, authenticating to Active Directory, and running various WINE apps. Less would be better. :) |
| 13:41.06 | MTecknology | *windows guest and debian host* |
| 13:41.24 | themill | cberlo: poor thing |
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| 13:44.31 | sneex | any rsync gurus here? |
| 13:44.36 | cberlo | themill: Thanks. This may just work. Just have to get the perms right. Since I'm authenticating with AD, might as well just allow AD users to have access. |
| 13:44.46 | cberlo | sneex: Not a guru, but I've used it a bit. Whassup? |
| 13:45.18 | tarzeau | sneex: just ask |
| 13:45.24 | sneex | I cannot get the anonymous rsync to work -- pretty sure I set up the proper files cberlo |
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| 13:46.22 | twobitsprite | is there something like yakuake for gnome? |
| 13:46.39 | twobitsprite | (i.e., drop down terminal) |
| 13:47.24 | sneex | no matter what I set rsync always asks for a password |
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| 13:48.20 | themill | sneex: it's probably trying to use ssh still |
| 13:48.29 | Russle_rassel | <snnx> did you exchange the ssh keys ? |
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| 13:48.44 | Haris | for some reason, the install is static at sa-exim |
| 13:49.18 | sneex | well, I do believ it wants to use the remote shell but I didn't want it to use ssh -- this is a private net not hooked to the internet |
| 13:49.30 | snowbird | themill morning |
| 13:49.46 | themill | Russle_rassel: don't know... I don't know enough about raid. is there a raid service in /etc/init.d? or does it just run based on a module load? look in lsmod for modules and then put them in /etc/modules. Sorry, I'm not going to be much more use at this stage! |
| 13:49.55 | themill | snowbird: good afternoon |
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| 13:49.59 | sneex | I set bnoth a secret-file as well as a password file |
| 13:50.06 | sneex | s/bnoth/both/ |
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| 13:50.18 | phenom | Does anyone know how to configure debian to recognize cd drives? After messing with vmware, I had lost function of my main cd drive, and my dvd has now been set to primary. How can I get it back? :P |
| 13:50.21 | snowbird | ok il post you someting the mill does the bottom look better to you . |
| 13:50.28 | themill | sneex: are you trying to use rsh or an rsync daemon? |
| 13:50.31 | cberlo | sneex: Hmm... secrets file is what I was going to suggest. Are you sure you've got it set up right? |
| 13:50.39 | sneex | rsync deamon |
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| 13:50.53 | sneex | secrets-file format is userid:passwd ? |
| 13:51.33 | themill | sneex: and you're using the :: syntax not just : to specify the server? and you're not using --rsh or -e? |
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| 13:52.04 | themill | sneex: (or using the rsync:// url syntax instead of host::dir) |
| 13:52.15 | sneex | themill: hmmmm maybe I have the module section wrong |
| 13:52.21 | sneex | brb |
| 13:52.51 | snowbird | the mill http://pastebin.com/d76216f56 |
| 13:52.56 | Russle_rassel | <themill> thank you for your help and your time! I have to look... |
| 13:53.01 | snowbird | the bottom looks like i goffed |
| 13:53.08 | themill | Russle_rassel: np. Good luck with it. |
| 13:53.49 | Russle_rassel | <themill> thank you |
| 13:54.20 | themill | snowbird: wtf? what are these and why are you showing us? |
| 13:54.35 | sneex | themill: it id definitely trying to use ssh --> ssh: rsync: Name or service not known |
| 13:54.41 | snowbird | there two reveiws one compared to outer |
| 13:54.43 | sneex | I didn't want ssh =( |
| 13:54.46 | snowbird | for opionion |
| 13:54.58 | sneex | s/id/is/ |
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| 13:55.30 | snowbird | the mill don't worrie i pass things bye here |
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| 13:55.47 | abrotman | themill: you don't have snowbird on ignore yet? :) |
| 13:55.55 | themill | not yet |
| 13:56.03 | snowbird | loardy |
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| 13:56.24 | snowbird | <shuts up |
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| 13:56.48 | abrotman | that'll be a change |
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| 13:57.24 | snowbird | wait and see |
| 13:57.28 | larco | hello, how can i find out if a pkg has any other pkg that depends on it ? |
| 13:57.54 | abrotman | rdepends |
| 13:58.11 | abrotman | larco: man apt-cache |
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| 14:04.18 | cberlo | themill: Hey, fiddling around a bit, and reading the instruction VERY carefully, I've got it. Of course, configuring a Linux box to do this was simplicity in itself. For the Windows machine, the key was actually to use the Wizard, and make sure the hostname was resolvable. Go figure! Thanks again! This will work wonderfully! |
| 14:04.49 | cberlo | Break time! |
| 14:04.58 | themill | cberlo: excellent! Good to hear. Thanks for letting us know it worked out. |
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| 14:05.03 | themill | !happy customer |
| 14:05.03 | dpkg | (Another happy customer leaves the building. Should be a law against them...) |
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| 14:06.42 | cberlo | themill: Now I've got a challenge for you guys... I have to admit I've been Using an Uther distribUtion for this server. Any thought on how to get all of the previously-mentioned stuff working quick and easy with pure Debian (and no Ice Weasel, please?)? |
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| 14:06.50 | Ryushin | Is it possible to add experimental to apt-sources? I'm not having much luck with it. |
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| 14:06.58 | abrotman | !experimental |
| 14:06.58 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 14:07.22 | abrotman | Ryushin: yes it'spossible |
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| 14:08.40 | Ryushin | Okay, I'll keep looking. The line that I have is this: deb http://HTTP.US.Debian.Org/debian experimental main contrib |
| 14:08.46 | tarzeau | !harden-doc |
| 14:08.46 | dpkg | i heard harden-doc is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents |
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| 14:09.08 | abrotman | Ryushin: i'm not sure http.us.debian.org is a valid host |
| 14:09.10 | Eliteforce | /whois eliteforce |
| 14:09.12 | Eliteforce | lol |
| 14:09.17 | abrotman | oh .. it is |
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| 14:09.52 | themill | cberlo: getting cups ipp stuff working under debian is a doddle. Nothing to do, really. |
| 14:09.59 | Ryushin | Yea, I didn't think it was valid either. |
| 14:10.13 | Ryushin | But it resolves okay. |
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| 14:11.06 | Ryushin | It doesn't pick it up though. There are a few packages from experimental that it's not getting the dependencies on. I've been having to download them manually. |
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| 14:12.34 | twobitsprite | is there a way to get screen to recognize shift-pgup/down? |
| 14:12.49 | Ryushin | I've been downloading them manually and installing them with dpkg. |
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| 14:13.24 | snowbird | twidiling thumbs |
| 14:13.36 | twobitsprite | or, maybe a way to make the "copy" mode less annoying? (i.e., it pauses when entering/leaving copy mode, and is cumbersome in general) |
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| 14:14.15 | Penix | twobitsprite: copy mode, meaning c-a esc? |
| 14:14.22 | twobitsprite | Penix: yeah |
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| 14:14.51 | bullgard4 | What is an 'infobox' in Linux? I found differing uses of this term but no definition. |
| 14:15.06 | twobitsprite | bullgard4: probably depends on context |
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| 14:15.31 | twobitsprite | I don't know of anything which is difinitively referred to as an "infobox" |
| 14:16.11 | twobitsprite | I'm not even sure what it would mean... but my imagination suggests something like a dialog box with an "ok" button? |
| 14:16.52 | MalMen | hello, i think apache 2.2 + php 5.** is unstable on debian etch |
| 14:16.54 | MalMen | its true |
| 14:16.54 | MalMen | ' |
| 14:16.56 | MalMen | ? |
| 14:17.04 | themill | !tell MalMen about enter |
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| 14:17.21 | themill | MalMen: no, working quite nicely for me. Why do you way that? |
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| 14:17.37 | MalMen | themill for me is working |
| 14:17.37 | helo | anyone know how to md5sum the first n bytes of a block device? |
| 14:17.58 | MalMen | but users cannt make simultaioue connections |
| 14:18.01 | twobitsprite | helo: man head...? |
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| 14:18.23 | themill | helo: or dd |
| 14:18.33 | twobitsprite | dd is probably better, actually |
| 14:18.54 | twobitsprite | not sure if head makes any assumptions about the data, but you can be sure dd doesn't. |
| 14:19.14 | twobitsprite | bleh... bitchx quit notices are getting worse and worse |
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| 14:19.49 | babilen | hi all |
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| 14:20.01 | babilen | i've just done something really stupid... |
| 14:20.11 | Hoxzer | Hmm :( |
| 14:20.16 | themill | twobitsprite: i have all join and part messages turned off... with 761 people joining, parting and timing out, it gets silly. |
| 14:20.28 | Hoxzer | I do stupid things often escpicially when in test |
| 14:20.28 | incorrect | i would like to measure my ftp transfers |
| 14:20.38 | themill | twobitsprite: turned off as in i don't see them in my client |
| 14:20.44 | Hoxzer | like I dont do those things normally and hten I fuckup everything on test |
| 14:20.45 | MalMen | debian etch have anything limiting the connections ? |
| 14:20.56 | babilen | i had my partition table overwritten with zeros (something like dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda) |
| 14:21.14 | babilen | that should have been sdb :-( |
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| 14:21.33 | babilen | i still have a running system, and wanted to check on my options now.. |
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| 14:21.48 | gui | hi |
| 14:21.51 | Sivik | is there a way to test mutiple different websites in a browser remotely via ip address if their vhosts? |
| 14:21.52 | babilen | i have the original partition table (fdisk output) in a console |
| 14:21.56 | gui | hi, I know there is a soft to lauch a new X session in a windows in the current X session anyone can help me to remember the name please |
| 14:22.35 | babilen | how can i recover my old partition table? |
| 14:22.55 | GutterPunk | I'm doing an inplace sed of some files. But after processing each line ends with a ^M. How can I fix this? |
| 14:22.59 | babilen | i guess gpart could do that, but maybe there are other, better options... |
| 14:23.07 | GutterPunk | Or just avoid it in the next sed |
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| 14:23.18 | babilen | am not really afraid of data loss as i have backups though.. |
| 14:23.33 | cr3 | how can I fusermount a file over the loopback device? |
| 14:23.37 | rhs_ | babilen: have you tried to run grub-install |
| 14:23.49 | rhs_ | babilen: rerun grub |
| 14:23.51 | Babalu | hi , where would i get the drivers for "DFI 662-TMG" motherboard , debian installer doesnt see any devices hooked on it |
| 14:23.56 | themill | GutterPunk: it's probably that the files had it already but some lines do not after going through sed |
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| 14:24.17 | themill | GutterPunk: you can use dos2unix or tr to strip out the ^M |
| 14:24.38 | themill | !tell GutterPunk about dos2unix |
| 14:25.01 | babilen | the exact command i used was: "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=1M count=10 |
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| 14:25.32 | GutterPunk | themill. Well the original files don't show the ^M's... |
| 14:25.37 | rhs_ | babilen, I don't think I can help you I'm not experienced enough |
| 14:25.49 | babilen | rhs_: are you sure that this will fix my partition table? i guess this will just repair a probably broken MBR |
| 14:25.53 | GutterPunk | But I'll try dos2unix |
| 14:25.55 | xand | babilen: recreate the partitions exactly the same as before |
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| 14:26.17 | themill | GutterPunk: if the entire file has dos line endings then most editors (vim?) won't show them. You'll only see them when you have a mix. |
| 14:26.52 | xand | it might say "[msdos]" or something at the bottom of the vim screen |
| 14:27.00 | babilen | xand: will that result in data loss? i will do a backup of the changes in the last 2 hours then... |
| 14:27.03 | themill | GutterPunk: of [dos] |
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| 14:27.11 | themill | GutterPunk: bah... [dos] |
| 14:27.14 | babilen | should do that anyway :-) |
| 14:27.31 | xand | babilen: if the partitions are recreated using fdisk or whatever, exactly as before, then no... dont format the partitions |
| 14:27.36 | uau | is the latest gcc-4.2 completely broken? (missing stddef.h)? |
| 14:27.38 | xand | but don't rely on it :) |
| 14:27.48 | babilen | xand: sure! |
| 14:27.49 | xand | (I've done that before after making the exact same mistake) |
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| 14:28.03 | cberlo | themill: guess I shouldn't have fired that question off then headed for break... Sorry. The other parts are more what I was concerned with: LTSP, squid, ADS authentication, WINE, etc. |
| 14:28.07 | xand | and was able to recover everything |
| 14:28.09 | twobitsprite | themill: do you know how to do that in irssi |
| 14:28.28 | tzanger | good morning, I have a stupid question... where do I find hte man pages for function calls such as exec, execve, etc.? they aren't installed and I'm not sure which package they'd be in |
| 14:28.29 | GutterPunk | themill, apparently the only line without the ^M's is the one I added with sed |
| 14:28.32 | babilen | xand: ok, that are good news... |
| 14:28.40 | themill | GutterPunk: look through the file with cat -v filename |less and you'll see all the ^Ms |
| 14:28.47 | themill | twobitsprite: what? |
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| 14:29.35 | cberlo | themill: and as a bonus (something I haven't been able to get working properly yet) local device access on thin clients.. |
| 14:29.36 | twobitsprite | themill: er, sorry :P ... ignoring join/part/quit |
| 14:29.49 | themill | GutterPunk: do you understand what the ^M is? |
| 14:29.59 | abrotman | half an M&M |
| 14:30.00 | GutterPunk | themill, the newline? |
| 14:30.38 | cberlo | themill: and just for added convenience, all of this while running an openmosix clustered kernel, so I can expand easily. :) |
| 14:30.47 | themill | GutterPunk: it's one half of the newline in dos mode. dos = ^M^J linux = ^J |
| 14:31.23 | twobitsprite | I never understood why ms decided to do it that way... is there any reasoning for it? |
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| 14:31.32 | themill | twobitsprite: ahh... that was a long time ago... forgot the question ... i use Konversation and it's a feature in there to hide them. I imagine irssi can do it too but I don't know. |
| 14:31.34 | abrotman | twobitsprite: first hit on google .. http://clintecker.com/disable-irc-msgs.html |
| 14:31.56 | themill | twobitsprite: ^M^J makes some sense for printers..... litterally CR LF. |
| 14:31.57 | twobitsprite | abrotman: I was just about to try that, thanks |
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| 14:32.34 | themill | twobitsprite: (think line printer or typewriter ;) |
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| 14:33.14 | twobitsprite | themill: right... but UNIX has been around before dos, but it doesn't use both |
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| 14:34.01 | snowbird | typewritter .sctrach my head old think like 8 tracks |
| 14:34.18 | themill | twobitsprite: correct... I do remember having to put filters in old lp spool settings to add ^M automagically so that the printout didn't just staircase across the paper. |
| 14:34.36 | themill | twobitsprite: but as with most things... ask billg. |
| 14:35.43 | snowbird | wounder if mill use old uninix before debian |
| 14:35.57 | GutterPunk | themill, one last question.. how can I add a newline in dos mode? I use \n now in my sed command.. |
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| 14:36.31 | twobitsprite | \n\r |
| 14:36.31 | GutterPunk | and that's the reason all the dos things appear |
| 14:36.36 | GutterPunk | aaah |
| 14:36.39 | GutterPunk | thanks :) |
| 14:37.45 | GutterPunk | no, that still makes the M's show... |
| 14:37.47 | RichiH | so |
| 14:38.17 | RichiH | what mailing list/irc channel could answer questions about what compact flash cards are suitable for embedded/small systems? |
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| 14:41.44 | twobitsprite | GutterPunk: I must have misunderstood... \r\n will produce dos style newlines, \n will make unix style |
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| 14:42.17 | twobitsprite | if you're looking to remove the ^M's, then sed 's/\r//' should work |
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| 14:45.20 | themill | GutterPunk: yes, \r\n (don't ask how you get from ^M and ^J to \r and \r... that's an even longer story) |
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| 14:45.33 | themill | *\n |
| 14:46.16 | twobitsprite | (n)ewline and carraige (r)eturn..? That's what I always they stood for... |
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| 14:46.47 | twobitsprite | I think the ^M and ^J are just coincidences that the characters correspond to those keys |
| 14:46.47 | themill | twobitsprite: ok... so go the other way to ^M and ^J ... |
| 14:47.00 | themill | it's the ascii codes yes, but why 10 and 13? |
| 14:47.08 | twobitsprite | no idea |
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| 14:47.48 | abrotman | RichiH: maybe #hardware ? or the embeddian stuff ? |
| 14:47.49 | twobitsprite | probably some technical reason having to do with old dumb terminals, or something |
| 14:48.16 | sato_ | sorry , no speack french? |
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| 14:48.21 | ribasushi | hi |
| 14:48.40 | abrotman | !fr |
| 14:48.40 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:48.42 | twobitsprite | sato_: if you're looking for someone who speaks french, try #debian-fr |
| 14:48.51 | twobitsprite | abrotman: ahh, that works too |
| 14:48.53 | ribasushi | I have two debian systems. On one of them the environment of a regular user contains a variable MAIL the other does not |
| 14:48.58 | themill | cberlo: all of those things should be just as easy to set up under debian as ubuntu. You might want or need a newer wine package than is etch though, that depends on what you require. There are unofficial wine packages around that are good. |
| 14:49.01 | ribasushi | where does this setting live? |
| 14:49.20 | ribasushi | I looked all over /etc - nothing |
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| 14:50.08 | sato_ | twobitsprite>dpkg> ok sorry merçi |
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| 14:50.35 | themill | should be in /etc/profile |
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| 14:51.08 | twobitsprite | doesn't bash save the list of scripts run at launch somewhere? |
| 14:51.13 | thirst | has apt-setup been replaced with some other utility ? |
| 14:51.16 | themill | oops... no it *used* to be in /etc/profile |
| 14:51.18 | abrotman | thirst: no |
| 14:51.21 | petemc | themill: vim |
| 14:51.23 | petemc | gah |
| 14:51.38 | themill | ? |
| 14:51.39 | abrotman | thirst: closest you'll get is maybe apt-spy .. but that takes ages to run and is only for http/ftp sources |
| 14:51.51 | abrotman | themill: petemc had a misfire |
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| 14:52.01 | petemc | yz |
| 14:52.08 | themill | figured.... |
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| 14:52.16 | thirst | abrotman: hmm.. |
| 14:52.16 | themill | having a bad day there, petemc? |
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| 14:52.24 | petemc | i find gah usually suffices instead of an apology |
| 14:52.29 | petemc | not the best |
| 14:52.33 | ribasushi | ah crap... it's ssh that adds the MAIL |
| 14:52.36 | petemc | got those tuesday blues |
| 14:52.40 | abrotman | petemc: you need a cheesesteak! |
| 14:52.45 | petemc | :) |
| 14:52.50 | themill | gah is fine by me. I usually use bah ;) |
| 14:52.59 | petemc | place near my work does them, they're not as good as a proper philly |
| 14:52.59 | twobitsprite | doh works as well |
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| 14:53.13 | petemc | woo :) |
| 14:53.23 | petemc | stick a quarter of weed in there too |
| 14:53.29 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:53.34 | themill | cheesesteak? scared now. |
| 14:53.40 | twobitsprite | mmmm |
| 14:54.02 | abrotman | !cheesesteak |
| 14:54.02 | dpkg | hmm... cheesesteak is http://philadelphia.about.com/cs/cheesesteaks/a/cheesesteak.htm or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheesesteak or abrotman owes thomas_adam one of these |
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| 14:54.17 | abrotman | yeah .. not the best conversation .. i'm already hungry |
| 14:54.21 | cr3 | why can't I rm -f a file when it is owned by me, in a directory owned by me and where lsattr doesn't show any suspicious attributes? |
| 14:54.22 | twobitsprite | hehe |
| 14:54.38 | twobitsprite | cr3: what's the error? |
| 14:54.59 | themill | cr3: do you have write privs on the dir? |
| 14:54.59 | sparrw | I am using telnet to connect from a linux xterm to a SCO Unix server. The backspace key doesnt work, sending some random control code instead. Help? |
| 14:55.10 | petemc | stty erase <press backspace> |
| 14:55.21 | petemc | then enter |
| 14:55.22 | themill | sparrw: or get used to pressing ^H :) |
| 14:55.26 | tidus | sparrw: you can use ctrl+h as backspace |
| 14:55.36 | sparrw | petemc: thank you so much |
| 14:55.38 | xand | eww telnet |
| 14:55.46 | themill | dirty.... |
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| 14:56.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: hey i got some great new photos! |
| 14:56.07 | cr3 | twobitsprite: Permission denied |
| 14:56.13 | sparrw | petemc: is there a better automagic solution? it works 'out of the box' for some of my other users, notably Mac OS X Terminal users |
| 14:56.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: are your clothes on ? |
| 14:56.28 | cr3 | twobitsprite: I just figured that the directory was set to 555, but I'm surprised rm -fr didn't handle that :( |
| 14:56.32 | abrotman | sparrw: fix your $TERM maybe |
| 14:56.38 | cberlo | Alright, well thanks a bunch. I really appreciate the help here. |
| 14:56.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: not of me. but i'll probably go bathing with my new bathing close in brighton next week |
| 14:56.51 | xand | sparrw: well, probably won't help, but use ssh not telnet |
| 14:56.52 | abrotman | clothes |
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| 14:57.04 | sparrw | abrotman: i was under the impression it should be xterm on both client and server? |
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| 14:57.10 | abrotman | xand: sco boxes i've seen .. no sshd |
| 14:57.14 | sparrw | xand: i am SO with you. port ssh to sco for me :) |
| 14:57.20 | xand | seriously? |
| 14:57.35 | abrotman | i think ssh can be made to run there .. but few do it |
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| 14:57.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://gnu.ethz.ch/photos/eth2007/ |
| 14:58.06 | twobitsprite | I'm pretty sure the openssh porting group supports sco... they support a lot of platforms |
| 14:58.21 | xand | i guess sco will be gone soon, right ;) |
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| 14:58.44 | twobitsprite | yeah, they blew all their cash on the lawsuit, and are not open for civili suits against them |
| 14:58.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: why are you showing me pictures of your office ? |
| 14:58.54 | twobitsprite | they were already a skeleton corp |
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| 14:59.24 | twobitsprite | s/not/now |
| 14:59.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: you cut your hair |
| 14:59.32 | sparrw | where might i find info on the proper settings for $TERM? |
| 14:59.42 | twobitsprite | sparrw: xterm should suffice |
| 14:59.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah but that's like quite some time already, january this year |
| 14:59.50 | uau | is the latest gcc-4.2 completely broken? (missing stddef.h)? |
| 14:59.53 | twobitsprite | unless sco doesn't ship termcaps for xterm |
| 14:59.54 | abrotman | tarzeau: ah |
| 14:59.56 | uau | can anyone compile anything with it? |
| 15:00.09 | abrotman | !bts |
| 15:00.10 | dpkg | methinks bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 15:00.12 | sparrw | twobitsprite: lets assume it doesnt |
| 15:00.28 | twobitsprite | !google xterm termcap |
| 15:00.37 | twobitsprite | (why did I think dpkg did google...?) |
| 15:00.48 | Kevin` | Dave2 I think the AP was using 2.4 actually :/ |
| 15:00.58 | twobitsprite | anyways, I'm sure you can find a termcap file to drop in there |
| 15:01.01 | graytron | i recently ran vice on sarge and it corrupted my text mode virtual consoles (tty1-tty6). when i enabled Hardware scaling in Vice the consoles suddenly had green background with all characters shown as colored square blocks. running mplayer on X fixed this. wonder if Vice on etch still does this? |
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| 15:01.24 | sparrw | twobitsprite: so, if $TERMCAP is empty then its missing for my $TERM? |
| 15:01.27 | logd | hi if cat /dev/sndstat says Synth devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG it means something 's wrong in kernel or alsa ? |
| 15:01.34 | abrotman | twobitsprite: dpkg does .. takes awhile |
| 15:01.58 | cr3 | themill: why doesn't rm -fr work if I don't have write privs on the dir? |
| 15:02.18 | snowbird | ahh i see cannon has drivers hmm |
| 15:03.21 | thirst | cr3: it will for sure if you have write access to the parent dir and the dir being removed. |
| 15:03.41 | twobitsprite | sparrw: I think termcap refers to the file which holds terminal info, $TERM is the var which lets the system know which termcap to use... unless I'm confused, haven't had to mess with it in a while |
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| 15:03.41 | themill | cr3: to remove the file, you are changing the directory not the file. The directory is essentially just a list of files that appear within it. |
| 15:03.58 | lindenle | anyone have a way to disable firefox locks when using nfs |
| 15:04.04 | sparrw | twobitsprite: ok, my sco box HAS a termcap entry for xterm... but i have no idea if its correct |
| 15:04.17 | twobitsprite | and you have TERM=xterm? |
| 15:04.27 | cr3 | themill: that didn't work, I had write permissions to the parentmost directory, but the subdiretories all had 555 permissions |
| 15:04.42 | cr3 | err, that was for thirst |
| 15:04.42 | sparrw | yes, TERM=xterm |
| 15:04.56 | twobitsprite | sparrw: ahh... maybe set TERM=linux... for some reason that sounds familiar from when I was last messing with AIX... |
| 15:05.12 | sparrw | nad |
| 15:05.13 | twobitsprite | I dunno, I should stop leading you in circles, try google |
| 15:05.14 | sparrw | nada |
| 15:05.20 | sparrw | yeah, im googling too |
| 15:06.16 | sparrw | what SHOULD backspace be in the xterm termcap? |
| 15:06.28 | sparrw | sco doesnt have it defined (no bc= line) |
| 15:06.30 | twobitsprite | ^? |
| 15:06.34 | thirst | cr3: dont you have root access ? |
| 15:06.47 | sparrw | twobitsprite: lets assume my client might be broken |
| 15:06.50 | twobitsprite | or, in your xterm hit ctrl-v ctrl-bs |
| 15:07.07 | twobitsprite | sparrw: why would we assume that? |
| 15:07.14 | twobitsprite | does it work with other systems? |
| 15:07.18 | sparrw | i dont know, i dont telnet |
| 15:07.54 | twobitsprite | I highly doubt it... most likely scenario is termcap isn't defined properly (at least not for your system) in SCO |
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| 15:08.04 | twobitsprite | SCO might be defining it for SCO's xterm... dunno |
| 15:08.35 | thirst | cr3: or do a "chmod -R 777 <dir-to-delete>" and then try "rm -rf" |
| 15:08.56 | cr3 | thirst: I do, but I'm trying to understand what's going on. this worked though: find $dir -type d | xargs chmod 755; rm -fr $dir |
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| 15:09.35 | cr3 | thirst: yeah, I just find it unfortunate that rm -fr is somewhat short sighted in only seeing the parent directory of the file as opposed to the topmost directory of the rm operation |
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| 15:10.06 | cr3 | thirst: but seeing how filesystems work, I understand this limitation and I don't think rm can do anything about it other than being setuid which would definately not be a good idea |
| 15:10.19 | twobitsprite | cr3: send a patch to gnu |
| 15:10.53 | twobitsprite | oh, right... |
| 15:11.16 | themill | cr3: what are you trying to do? most people feel that rm works as expected so perhaps you're approaching the problem in the wrong way so asking the wrong questions. |
| 15:11.38 | sparrw | twobitsprite: ok, seems like youre right. any idea where i can find linux's "linux" and "xterm" and "xterm-color" termcap entries? apt-file says /etc/termcap doesnt exist in debian |
| 15:11.59 | twobitsprite | /etc/terminfo i believe |
| 15:12.03 | Dewi | cr3: let me get this straight |
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| 15:12.16 | Dewi | cr3: you're trying to delete a non-empty directory you don't own, from a directory you do |
| 15:12.25 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.26 | Dewi | where "own" means "have write access upon" |
| 15:12.28 | Dewi | ? |
| 15:12.58 | sparrw | those are binary files |
| 15:13.02 | themill | sparrw: /usr/share/terminfo although probably actually in /lib/terminfo |
| 15:13.12 | sparrw | yes, thats where it is, but its the wrong format :( |
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| 15:13.42 | twobitsprite | ohh, right... yeah terminfo might be a different system than termcap... |
| 15:14.02 | themill | sparrw: the source package is ncurses-base |
| 15:14.33 | sparrw | yeah, thats terminfo |
| 15:14.35 | sparrw | i need termcap |
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| 15:15.05 | themill | ahh bollox... might have to look in oldstable to find that... |
| 15:15.14 | kek_ | sorry about offtopic: what's a reasonable transfer rate on a 100Mbit network via ftp? |
| 15:15.38 | sparrw | aha |
| 15:15.39 | sparrw | http://packages.debian.org/oldstable/oldlibs/termcap-compat |
| 15:15.41 | sparrw | from oldstable |
| 15:15.43 | sparrw | wow |
| 15:15.51 | sparrw | let me dust off the time machine |
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| 15:16.16 | twobitsprite | kek_: close to 100MB...? |
| 15:16.26 | twobitsprite | er, Mb |
| 15:17.05 | sparrw | omg |
| 15:17.09 | sparrw | im going to have to install libc5 |
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| 15:17.16 | twobitsprite | sparrw: stop |
| 15:17.20 | themill | wtf |
| 15:17.24 | kek_ | twobitsprite: ok, thanks :) |
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| 15:17.38 | twobitsprite | sparrw: un deb the package, and just steal the termcap file for xterm and drop it into the SCO system... |
| 15:17.39 | sparrw | or i can just unpack it |
| 15:17.43 | sparrw | err, extract |
| 15:17.46 | twobitsprite | yeah |
| 15:18.10 | sparrw | would be a fun ride though |
| 15:18.12 | cast | hey folks, am just running debsums -s, now why would i get a bunch of 'debsums: no md5sums for' for pkgs that don't seem all that special [lynx, filelight, octave...there's quite a few there] |
| 15:18.15 | twobitsprite | lol |
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| 15:19.36 | cast | are pkg content checksums optional? |
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| 15:20.11 | sparrw | now im getting annoyed |
| 15:20.20 | sparrw | xterm in linux termcap is a placeholder |
| 15:20.55 | cast | i guess they are, `debsums -l|wc -l` says 72 [out of >1000 installed pkgs] |
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| 15:22.03 | helo | if i am going to be managing a debian installation for a specific hardware setup, what is the best way for me to keep track of my configuration changes, installed packages, tarball-built programs, other custom changes (reducing the install size), et cetera? |
| 15:23.09 | cr3 | Dewi: I own all directories, the only problem is that the subdirectories have the permissions 555 |
| 15:23.15 | helo | currently we just have an image that was dd'd from the compact flash... |
| 15:23.30 | cast | helo: as in you've got 100 machines with this specific hardware setup, or is this just your desktop? |
| 15:23.32 | Dewi | cr3: aah. |
| 15:23.39 | helo | cast: 100 machines... well 84 :) |
| 15:23.46 | cast | helo: ahh. nfi then :) |
| 15:23.55 | jetscreamer | you should make it 86 machines |
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| 15:24.08 | jetscreamer | 86 is just as magic a number as 42 |
| 15:24.16 | helo | haha |
| 15:24.21 | cast | i wonder how successful checking in / to svn would be |
| 15:24.40 | Dewi | cr3: right... so you don't have write on them |
| 15:24.50 | cayres | how do I purge a user's Courier Imap .Trash folder from the shell? |
| 15:24.54 | kek | is there some transfer speed limit in ftpd by default? |
| 15:24.59 | Dewi | cr3: rm -rf can't remove the contents of a directory you don't have write on |
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| 15:25.12 | Dewi | cr3: and you can't remove a directory if it's not empty |
| 15:25.38 | Dewi | cr3: if you feel this curtails your rights as the owner of the directory above, you could move it somewhere else |
| 15:25.57 | helo | maybe checking in /etc, /boot, and /opt (custom stuff) would be good enough... |
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| 15:26.20 | Dewi | cr3: the behaviour sounds right to me |
| 15:26.35 | cast | helo: for tarball built pkgs and 86 machines...maybe its worth learning how to make .debs |
| 15:27.05 | helo | what is the "right" way to disable z25-persistent-net-rules, so that the network device's mac addy isn't bound to a particular ethX? |
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| 15:27.35 | cayres | how do I purge a user's Courier Imap .Trash folder from the shell? |
| 15:27.47 | helo | cast: yeah... i've considered that... time has been a little scarce for me to do the reading |
| 15:27.54 | twobitsprite | I thought 86 was restaraunt lingo for being out of something |
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| 15:28.10 | helo | 86 is how old i will be when i become immortal |
| 15:28.17 | themill | cr3: are you still looking for a solution or have you got it worked out? |
| 15:28.23 | Ronin | twobitsprite: 86 is also slang for removing, killing, trashing something |
| 15:28.49 | twobitsprite | Ronin: wonder which came first |
| 15:29.05 | themill | Agent 86 from Control... Maxwell Smart... |
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| 15:29.42 | twobitsprite | was that the agent responsable of offing people? |
| 15:30.08 | twobitsprite | I used to watch it on nick at night |
| 15:30.12 | helo | nick at nite was makes the "old enough" not too old |
| 15:30.25 | cast | themill: just, all i remember is the million opening doors/vaults in the intro... |
| 15:30.34 | themill | that's the one! |
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| 15:30.39 | helo | all i remember is that it was too boring to be worth my time |
| 15:30.40 | twobitsprite | he also had a shoe phone |
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| 15:30.45 | twobitsprite | and the cone of silence :P |
| 15:30.55 | themill | yep... the shoe phone was well ahead of its time. |
| 15:31.06 | elbing | and gunmen theme at the beginin |
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| 15:31.44 | dokma | anyone knows how to print a list of files from a package? |
| 15:32.05 | sparrw | dokma: package you have? |
| 15:32.09 | jetscreamer | themill: my code has been 86 for many many years |
| 15:32.10 | sparrw | dokma: installed? |
| 15:32.12 | twobitsprite | .deb, or from apt? |
| 15:32.14 | cast | dpkg -L pkg or apt-file list pkg if not installed |
| 15:32.14 | dpkg | ii pkg or apt-file list pkg if not installed 1.3-15 cast's private stamp collection |
| 15:32.29 | cast | dpkg: fail! |
| 15:32.35 | sparrw | dpkg: botsnack |
| 15:32.39 | sparrw | :( |
| 15:32.47 | dokma | thank you!!! |
| 15:32.49 | jetscreamer | ~lart dpkg |
| 15:32.49 | apt | moos at dpkg |
| 15:32.49 | twobitsprite | bad dpkg! |
| 15:32.58 | cr3 | themill: I worked it out, #debian folks are answering their own questions once again! :) |
| 15:32.59 | MalMen | debian etch have anything to limit the connections ? |
| 15:33.09 | cast | MalMen: iptables? |
| 15:33.24 | MalMen | like that, or anything else |
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| 15:33.27 | twobitsprite | MalMen: eh? |
| 15:33.40 | MalMen | http://pastebin.com/m7807c9ae that my iptables |
| 15:33.51 | MalMen | my apache + php is only allow one connection per user |
| 15:33.55 | MalMen | i need to fix that fast |
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| 15:34.30 | twobitsprite | what do you mean "per user"? per system user, or user agent? |
| 15:34.42 | MalMen | i dont know if is per IP |
| 15:34.57 | twobitsprite | check the logs? |
| 15:34.59 | themill | cr3: well done ;) |
| 15:35.07 | MalMen | not have anything revelant on logs |
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| 15:36.28 | databuddy | ok my mobo just doesnt keep time for crap |
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| 15:36.33 | MalMen | like now |
| 15:36.36 | MalMen | if i start a download |
| 15:36.39 | themill | MalMen: do you have any maxlients settings in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 15:36.40 | MalMen | i cant open pages |
| 15:36.42 | cast | databuddy: bring in the ntpd, then |
| 15:36.45 | themill | *maxclients |
| 15:36.46 | databuddy | 0,15,30,45 * * * * /usr/sbin/ntpdate -v ntp.ubuntu.com >> /var/log/datelog <<-- made that |
| 15:36.54 | databuddy | cast: put that in and it would still get off time |
| 15:37.01 | databuddy | how often does ntpd do time? |
| 15:37.12 | cast | databuddy: well, thats not a good way to do things [a cron of ntpdate] |
| 15:37.16 | themill | databuddy: all the time. it tells the kernel to slew the clock |
| 15:37.20 | databuddy | cast: while i'm with ya |
| 15:37.20 | cast | databuddy: are you an ubuntu user :| |
| 15:37.36 | databuddy | cast: ubuntu/debian depending on the install |
| 15:37.42 | MalMen | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.45 | databuddy | ive multiple installs :P |
| 15:37.57 | MalMen | themill |
| 15:38.02 | cast | how much is the skew each 15 minutes? |
| 15:38.20 | databuddy | 14 Aug 08:30:01 ntpdate[15601]: ntpdate 4.2.2p4@1.1585-o Wed Mar 7 20:43:31 UTC 2007 (1) |
| 15:38.20 | databuddy | 14 Aug 08:30:02 ntpdate[15601]: adjust time server 82.211.81.145 offset -0.006380 sec |
| 15:38.37 | themill | databuddy: you're worried about 6 milliseconds????? |
| 15:38.45 | cast | ....uh. |
| 15:38.46 | databuddy | nope |
| 15:38.55 | databuddy | but if i let it go it wanders to 45 min |
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| 15:39.00 | databuddy | then furnther |
| 15:39.03 | frojnd | I have installed a particular package. How can I get informations about where is the content of this particular package? |
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| 15:39.14 | gonzaloaf_work | A nice ftp command line client |
| 15:39.16 | gonzaloaf_work | ? |
| 15:39.17 | symbol | hey kids |
| 15:39.18 | databuddy | *further |
| 15:39.19 | themill | databuddy: rather than using ntpdate like that, just install ntpd |
| 15:39.29 | databuddy | themill: i had installed that. |
| 15:39.32 | cast | thats the average skew per 15 minutes then ;P |
| 15:39.43 | symbol | today is fun with unixODBC driver |
| 15:39.53 | cast | ntpd will, if the skew is too big, not do anything as it assumes something is gravely wrong, iirc |
| 15:39.53 | twobitsprite | gonzaloaf_work: complete sentences? |
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| 15:39.57 | symbol | making the unix machines talk to MS-SQL Server |
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| 15:40.06 | sparrw | frojnd: dpkg -L [package] |
| 15:40.12 | gonzaloaf_work | Hi, can you tell me a nice ftp command line client? |
| 15:40.12 | jetscreamer | gonzaloaf_work: just use the default |
| 15:40.14 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 15:40.16 | databuddy | cast: yes exactly. |
| 15:40.20 | databuddy | and im sure something is. |
| 15:40.23 | themill | cast: if you ntpdate and ntpd then it can get confused like that |
| 15:40.23 | jetscreamer | type ftp |
| 15:40.29 | abrotman | ncftp seems to be popular |
| 15:40.30 | symbol | sftp |
| 15:40.31 | databuddy | tho what i'm assuming is its a battary |
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| 15:40.43 | gonzaloaf_work | abrotman, symbol, thanks |
| 15:40.48 | symbol | np |
| 15:41.08 | themill | gonzaloaf_work: if you can *not* use ftp but use sftp instead, then life will be better.... |
| 15:41.25 | themill | gonzaloaf_work: every time you use ftp or telnet, $deity kills a kitten.... |
| 15:41.39 | databuddy | themill: dont forget about ssl overhead :P |
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| 15:41.40 | symbol | lol @ themill |
| 15:41.46 | symbol | dude u r too funny |
| 15:41.55 | cast | u r 2* |
| 15:41.56 | abrotman | !tell symbol about u |
| 15:42.03 | gonzaloaf_work | themill, yes I know that |
| 15:42.11 | MalMen | please take a look http://pastebin.com/m2ea632e9 |
| 15:42.11 | themill | gonzaloaf_work: good :) |
| 15:42.17 | symbol | hey thatz fun |
| 15:42.25 | symbol | !tell symbol about u |
| 15:42.51 | jetscreamer | !tell abrotman about constantly retyping a sequence of characters for years and how much time it will take when you add it up |
| 15:42.53 | gonzaloaf_work | themill, but I have seen that vsftpd uses RSA keys |
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| 15:43.17 | abrotman | jetscreamer: and? |
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| 15:43.24 | symbol | !tell jetscreamer yeah, he's prolly being uptight but I don't want to set him off -- those Type A personalities u know |
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| 15:43.43 | jetscreamer | abrotman: i have a limited time on this earth. i prefer not to waste it? |
| 15:43.51 | abrotman | jetscreamer: then put me on fucking ignore .. cry baby |
| 15:43.56 | symbol | lol |
| 15:44.04 | jetscreamer | but i wub joo abrotman ! |
| 15:44.05 | symbol | omg, snarky hatefest on linux channel |
| 15:44.26 | cast | symbol: debian is not just linux :) |
| 15:44.37 | themill | gonzaloaf_work: there are a few different ftp implementations around that do TLS at least. If you're using them then be happy ;) |
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| 15:44.48 | symbol | cast: true, I used to live in the world of Redhat --- *shudders* |
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| 15:45.28 | themill | MalMen: are you sure it's not just that you are using a particular POS browser from a certain legacy operating system? the request seems to be handled it's just that it's not being rendered in your browser. |
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| 15:45.40 | jetscreamer | and i only meant me typing repetitively would be a waste.. ya'll can all you want :) |
| 15:46.11 | jetscreamer | ok time to learn shorthand... :) |
| 15:46.27 | gonzaloaf_work | ftp is a command line ftp client? or console ftp client? are both sentences correct? |
| 15:46.35 | jetscreamer | yes i think |
| 15:46.46 | gonzaloaf_work | jetscreamer, yes what? |
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| 15:46.54 | jetscreamer | yes to all 3 |
| 15:46.55 | themill | gonzaloaf_work: console = a command line |
| 15:47.16 | gonzaloaf_work | o |
| 15:47.17 | gonzaloaf_work | k |
| 15:47.23 | jetscreamer | cli might be more commonly used |
| 15:47.31 | jetscreamer | ppl would know what you mena |
| 15:47.32 | jetscreamer | mean |
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| 15:48.10 | symbol2 | some ppl even call the command line a terminal |
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| 15:48.29 | themill | teletype anyone? |
| 15:48.43 | jetscreamer | i used one in 8th grade |
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| 15:48.48 | jetscreamer | papertape and all |
| 15:48.49 | symbol2 | or a shell |
| 15:49.06 | themill | was it in a museum, or for real? |
| 15:49.15 | jetscreamer | real.. it was state of the art |
| 15:49.18 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 15:49.23 | themill | jetscreamer: (like, you're not in 9th grade now are you ;) |
| 15:49.32 | symbol2 | lol |
| 15:49.43 | symbol2 | dude 9th grade was hard |
| 15:49.44 | jetscreamer | like the 36th grade or somelthing |
| 15:50.22 | xored | is it possible to run cyrus ond courier at the same time |
| 15:50.29 | jetscreamer | make that i'm in the 40th grade |
| 15:50.32 | themill | jetscreamer: you need to get out of there, man |
| 15:50.45 | symbol2 | wow, 40th grade |
| 15:50.53 | symbol2 | yl have to take yr SATs soon |
| 15:50.56 | abrotman | jetscreamer: and yet .. you still can't spell :) |
| 15:51.01 | jetscreamer | LOL |
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| 15:51.53 | jetscreamer | heh.. i still have to smoke in the boy's room :( |
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| 15:53.31 | mick_work | if you want a good laugh: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SCOX&t=5d&l=on&z=m&q=l&c= (down 70%) |
| 15:53.32 | cayres | how do I get around this: bash: /bin/rm: Argument list too long |
| 15:53.33 | mick_work | :) |
| 15:53.42 | themill | cayres: xargs |
| 15:54.12 | themill | mick_work: seems to still have 30% to go then.... not sure why |
| 15:54.18 | cayres | k thanks |
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| 15:54.31 | mick_work | yup |
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| 15:54.36 | symbol2 | xargs |
| 15:54.43 | eth01 | http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=TALK <-- much better |
| 15:55.14 | themill | cayres: if you don't have any files with spaces in their names, then echo * | xargs rm |
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| 15:56.06 | cayres | we'll see |
| 15:56.15 | cast | for i in *; do rm "$i"; done |
| 15:56.18 | mick_work | anyone want to place bets as to when SCO will file for chapter 7 :) |
| 15:56.27 | abrotman | mick_work: it's OT here |
| 15:56.34 | symbol2 | lol |
| 15:56.36 | cayres | purging a Maildir/.Trash directory |
| 15:56.43 | symbol2 | yeah SCO, I give them 3 weeks |
| 15:56.44 | cayres | 4gigs |
| 15:56.47 | mick_work | abrotman: sorry :) |
| 15:56.53 | cast | [dunno if there is a limit on the number of items you can go through in a for loop, might be :] |
| 15:57.06 | abrotman | cast: that'd be kind of silly .. owuldn't you thnk ? |
| 15:57.19 | symbol2 | I'm going to go bug the folks in linux, see yall later |
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| 15:57.38 | helo | the people in #bash are pretty good at stuff like that... |
| 15:57.55 | cast | abrotman: for there to be a limit? |
| 15:58.06 | helo | they will tell you EXACTLY what to do so that it will always work |
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| 15:58.24 | helo | (and what implementations/systems it may not work on, if any) |
| 15:58.32 | tru_`z24 | How do you manually remove a package. apt-get remove is failing on netkit-inetd |
| 15:58.42 | abrotman | tru_`z24: dpkg -r |
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| 15:59.25 | tru_`z24 | /var/lib/dpkg/info/netkit-inetd.prerm: line 4: /etc/init.d/inetd: Permission denied |
| 15:59.31 | jetscreamer | you need to install the alternate |
| 15:59.36 | jetscreamer | iirc |
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| 15:59.49 | jetscreamer | openbsd-inet? |
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| 16:00.08 | abrotman | or someone changed the perms or attrs |
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| 16:00.46 | cast | echo {1..32000000000} kills my term, hah. |
| 16:00.48 | tru_`z24 | openbsd-inetd: Conflicts: netkit-inetd |
| 16:01.05 | jetscreamer | use a package manager |
| 16:01.06 | tru_`z24 | this was all from me trying to install apache2 :-) |
| 16:01.10 | tru_`z24 | i did |
| 16:01.15 | tru_`z24 | apt-get install apache2 started it |
| 16:01.19 | jetscreamer | use a good one.... :) |
| 16:01.21 | jetscreamer | j/k |
| 16:01.23 | tru_`z24 | :-) |
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| 16:01.39 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 16:01.40 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until you exit... you may have to hit y or n somewhere. Also, if you've never run dselect, you may have to use option 0 and choose APT Acquisition. |
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| 16:03.07 | tru_`z24 | rgr dpkg, running it now |
| 16:05.03 | tru_`z24 | it seems to stall on the install part |
| 16:05.14 | tru_`z24 | errors were encountered while processing: netkit-inetd |
| 16:05.45 | tru_`z24 | then it goes back to the main menu and stays on the install option instead of moving down |
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| 16:06.46 | jetscreamer | ok go in the selection, hit / to search, and search for netkit-inetd .. hit the * to reinstall it and hit enter |
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| 16:07.14 | jetscreamer | make that + not * |
| 16:07.21 | yanikula | Hi. |
| 16:08.34 | jetscreamer | (the + puts a * next to it) |
| 16:08.41 | tru_`z24 | yeah |
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| 16:08.47 | b52laptop | hello |
| 16:08.53 | tru_`z24 | now its asking me to upgrade the kernel |
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| 16:09.00 | tru_`z24 | i'm nervous about this because its a co-loc box |
| 16:09.07 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:09.09 | Kouryuu | can anyone point me to some book or resource on preseed file configuration? I've been trying to see if there is a way to boot from CD but point to an http server for the preseed.cfg file.. |
| 16:09.20 | tru_`z24 | can i ignore that, or do these packages most likely depend on new kernel? |
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| 16:09.26 | jetscreamer | well you can tell it not to, hit the H for hold |
| 16:09.36 | jetscreamer | highlight the ones to hold |
| 16:09.58 | tru_`z24 | seems to be moving on tho |
| 16:10.00 | tru_`z24 | which is good |
| 16:10.08 | b52laptop | ppl i am having a problem with installing debian 4.0 when i in the step in installing wich component to my system / desktop / web server / ...... and naturelly base system , i click over ok , and the install just stop , i have burn many isos form many ftp's but same result |
| 16:10.19 | jetscreamer | but if it wants to upgrade it, then you probably never did apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:10.26 | cayres | themill this is gonna take awhile |
| 16:10.30 | jetscreamer | and the kernel is likely from security.debian.org |
| 16:10.36 | tru_`z24 | no, i did dist-upgrade after apache2 wanted all this stuff |
| 16:10.43 | cayres | down to 1.8gig now |
| 16:10.45 | helo | for some odd reason, several compact flash cards made in china do not work properly unless dma is disabled... errors at boot time delay booting by about 5 minutes, but then everything works fine |
| 16:10.48 | tru_`z24 | because I figured since it wanted all the new pacakges, might as well go ahead and upgrade the whole box |
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| 16:10.57 | helo | taiwanese cards seem to work great |
| 16:11.15 | helo | stupid commie cf cards... |
| 16:11.17 | b52laptop | from where i can download a old version of debian than etch |
| 16:11.18 | b52laptop | ? |
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| 16:11.28 | jetscreamer | !oldstable |
| 16:11.29 | dpkg | it has been said that oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian GNU/Linux, currently Sarge (3.1). Previously, Woody. Get old Sarge ISO's here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r6a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 16:11.30 | themill | cayres: yes, it can... deleting is actually a lot of work. Although less work that a certain legacy operating system makes you think.... you don't want to know how long it would take under windoze |
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| 16:12.14 | b52laptop | jetscreamer, thanks |
| 16:12.29 | jetscreamer | it's kinda working, b52laptop ? |
| 16:12.31 | tru_`z24 | jetscreamer: thanks a ton for your help |
| 16:12.34 | jetscreamer | err |
| 16:12.42 | jetscreamer | wrong guy |
| 16:12.50 | jetscreamer | it's kinda working, tru_`z24 ? |
| 16:12.55 | b52laptop | jetscreamer, for the http link :d |
| 16:12.59 | helo | what happens if i dd an image off of a 20GB drive, and then dd it onto a 40GB drive? the 40GB drive has a 20GB image (and partition table) written to it... does that cause problems? |
| 16:13.00 | b52laptop | oops sorry |
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| 16:13.00 | b52laptop | .... |
| 16:13.24 | jetscreamer | no helo .. just make another partition or resize that one |
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| 16:13.43 | tru_`z24 | seems fine so far |
| 16:13.53 | petemc | helo:it should work, but you cant access the extra space |
| 16:13.54 | jetscreamer | but resizing bigger seems ok sometimes |
| 16:14.12 | tru_`z24 | i've got apache2 installed now |
| 16:14.14 | tru_`z24 | but i did not upgrade kernel |
| 16:14.19 | jetscreamer | you can make another part out of the free i mean |
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| 16:14.33 | sparrw | i want an ftp server. i dont want to spend an hour figuring out how to set it up. point me towards a package? |
| 16:14.35 | xored | what are main diffrence between courier and cyrus for production systems ? |
| 16:14.41 | helo | so i just change the parition's size using fdisk, and then resize2fs? |
| 16:14.51 | xored | sparrw: proftpd |
| 16:14.53 | jetscreamer | errr |
| 16:15.06 | cayres | themill: a user said they left their computer alone for 6 weeks and came back and put all that mail in the trash and when they tried to empty the trash it crashed their client |
| 16:15.11 | jetscreamer | i don't know and i don't like it.. some ppl like it |
| 16:15.45 | jetscreamer | if it was me i would just create another partition out of the freespace but i'm scared of parted |
| 16:15.45 | themill | cayres: they should stop subscribing to pr0n lists then |
| 16:15.45 | jetscreamer | you would use parted i think |
| 16:15.45 | cayres | themill: lol |
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| 16:15.53 | cayres | it was 3gigs |
| 16:16.32 | petemc | xored: cryus uses it own format for mailboxes, people with large user bases tend to favour it tho, seems to scale well, i myself use dovecot |
| 16:16.57 | xored | petemc: iam going to host ox ( open-xchange ) and it works good with cyrus |
| 16:17.30 | xored | petemc: ia have dovecot running on my other server, its good too. But ISPconfig only works wiht courier _( cyrus ) and i have to use it |
| 16:17.37 | cayres | themill: .Trash/courierimapkeywords is another 724M |
| 16:17.40 | petemc | i found ox very confusing when i tried it, a few years back |
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| 16:18.33 | eth01 | ispconfig :/ |
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| 16:20.04 | roxy_ | I downloaded the driver from ralink site, built and installed, modprobe it, everything without error. Message in dmesg is: RT61: Vendor = 0x1814, Product = 0x0301 . but iwconfig still gives nothing: ra0 no wireless extensions. |
| 16:20.19 | xored | petemc: it changed a LOT, its not even using tomcat anymore |
| 16:21.11 | ola_ | Hello room, I am having the strangest font problem in openoffice.org, the "Arial" font is appearing as some other wacky font. It (openoffice.org) seems to be the only application affected. Have any of you seen anything like this? |
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| 16:22.04 | cayres | hmm IMAP_EMPTYTRASH=Trash:7 is set in the config, but it seems to have failed |
| 16:23.05 | helo | wtf... i was just browsing a medical information site, and suddenly my browser window was shrunk to a tiny square in the bottom right of my screen, and a dialog popped up asking me about using some crap called PerformancAnalyzer... i clicked the X on the dialog and my browser popped back up to full size, and took me to some performanceanalyzer site... |
| 16:23.35 | xored | helo: never click on buttons IN the dialog |
| 16:23.41 | xored | alway click the close button of the WM |
| 16:23.52 | cayres | lol |
| 16:23.56 | helo | yes, i clicked the X from my window manager... |
| 16:24.15 | helo | well wtf, how do i keep sites from hijacking my browser position like that? |
| 16:24.16 | themill | helo: "medical information"??? is that a new name for what I think you're saying.... |
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| 16:24.36 | xored | helo: addblocker |
| 16:24.38 | helo | themill: boing |
| 16:24.52 | themill | helo: you can disable javascript. ;( or something like adblock can help a lot |
| 16:25.10 | xored | helo: addblock ,flashcontrol, |
| 16:25.13 | hark | welcome to teh internet |
| 16:25.23 | helo | seems like firefox should have a "don't let sites jack with my existing browser window positions" |
| 16:25.29 | hark | noscript |
| 16:25.56 | helo | i hope it won't let them open windows outside of my desktop... |
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| 16:26.47 | tekkk | noob to deb, quick question > need to start jboss as that user, command in rc.local hangs, any other scripts ables to do it at reboot? |
| 16:26.48 | roxy_ | helo: there were something on /. not long ago about the possibility to have the browser looks like the desktop or something. scary |
| 16:27.12 | hark | or go to Preferences and uncheck the advanced javascript options |
| 16:27.18 | jetscreamer | i don't suppose it's easy to change the 'video card' on a laptop... no it's not integrated on the mb... at least i don't think so |
| 16:27.28 | roxy_ | tekkk: have a look at the script in /bin you got one for redhat |
| 16:27.31 | jetscreamer | no it's not |
| 16:28.01 | jetscreamer | easy means i don't have to remove the mb totally |
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| 16:30.47 | guiss | hi guys, I have created a RAID-0 swap arraid and I can't stop it with mdadm --stop. It says resource is busy all the time. I have disabled swap in fstab but still the same. Any tip? |
| 16:30.55 | disposable | i'm creating a virtual device tap0 and a bridge br0. i want the tap0 to have a certain ip address. do i define it in the br0 stanza? (i hope this makes sense) |
| 16:31.04 | tekkk | su jboss && cd /usr/local/jboss-4.0.3SP1/bin; ./run.sh; exit <<<<< thats what im trying to do |
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| 16:31.12 | tekkk | but it hangs on su jboss |
| 16:31.37 | guiss | tekkk, what is the shell of the user jboss? |
| 16:31.47 | tekkk | bash |
| 16:31.52 | themill | tekkk: su jboss will start an interactive shell for jboss.... |
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| 16:32.25 | themill | tekkk: man su .... look at the option -c |
| 16:32.25 | tekkk | hahahaha |
| 16:32.25 | tekkk | dangit |
| 16:32.49 | roxy_ | tekkk: have a look at the script too, they've been written for you |
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| 16:35.25 | hark | helo: javascript:function Shw(n) {if (self.moveBy) {for (i = 35; i > 0; i--) {for (j = n; j > 0; j--) {self.moveBy(1,i) ;self.moveBy(i,0);self.moveBy(0,-i);self.moveBy(-i,0); } } }} Shw(6) |
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| 16:41.44 | jetscreamer | real time traffic rocks |
| 16:41.48 | jetscreamer | http://traffic.houstontranstar.org/layers/ |
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| 16:43.43 | xingu | jetscreamer: how come it's not interactive? |
| 16:44.16 | liable | now that would be fun |
| 16:44.52 | themill | you mean like pick up the cars and move them with your mouse? |
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| 16:44.59 | xingu | yeah, and change the lights, etc. |
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| 16:45.15 | jetscreamer | you must affect changes with your avatars |
| 16:45.20 | themill | change speed limits too? |
| 16:45.29 | jetscreamer | (pay ppl to do it) |
| 16:45.31 | xingu | change flow direction, now that could be fun |
| 16:45.47 | jetscreamer | but it's doable |
| 16:45.58 | jetscreamer | !ssh |
| 16:45.58 | dpkg | somebody said ssh was Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is Portable OpenSSH (www.openssh.org) or for windows clients ask me about putty, or for mac clients ask me about niftytelnet or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about rsa, or ask about winscp for a GUI SCP client, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
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| 16:46.56 | jetscreamer | you would think there would be a howto in there. i've done it before, but i forget exactly.. :/ |
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| 16:47.39 | xand | how to use ssh? |
| 16:47.39 | jetscreamer | enable it et al yeah, set it up get it working |
| 16:47.51 | xand | apt-get install ssh |
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| 16:49.54 | themill | jetscreamer: there's not much to set up. just install it and if the box has its balls on the line then also install something like fail2ban |
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| 16:50.22 | jetscreamer | thanks dudes |
| 16:51.24 | themill | jetscreamer: when you first start the daemon it will generate keys if they don't exist already. Your clients will need to accep them when first connecting.... and of course you'll remember the fingerprint or babble to verify the key before accepting, won't you ;) |
| 16:51.25 | jetscreamer | ah yeah nfs was the configure this that and the other thing |
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| 16:52.50 | rob19 | how can i list all of the tcp/udp connections that are listening along with which ports their listening on |
| 16:53.00 | themill | netstat -np |
| 16:53.04 | jlc | !help |
| 16:53.07 | jlc | err |
| 16:53.14 | jlc | !tell selinux |
| 16:53.22 | jetscreamer | !tell jlc -about /msg |
| 16:53.25 | john_titor | i cant get access to my wintendo xp partition, i need to install something to be able to see that???? |
| 16:53.26 | jetscreamer | or msg |
| 16:53.32 | jetscreamer | !ntfs-ro |
| 16:53.34 | wykis | how to make wget download a list of files that is in a text file? |
| 16:53.46 | Sivik | wykis: *.txt maybe? |
| 16:53.51 | jetscreamer | ~ntfs-ro |
| 16:53.58 | themill | wykis: wget -i |
| 16:53.59 | jetscreamer | wtf |
| 16:54.04 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 16:54.04 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 16:54.07 | msn | wykis: man wget |
| 16:54.11 | jetscreamer | !ntfsro |
| 16:54.11 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
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| 16:54.22 | wykis | thanks themill |
| 16:54.44 | msn | wykis: man works great actually :) |
| 16:54.53 | wykis | msn: tried, searching through it is hell though |
| 16:55.04 | wykis | now I know where to find it next time ;) |
| 16:55.07 | jetscreamer | wykis: did you try / in the manpage? |
| 16:55.11 | wykis | yes jetscreamer |
| 16:55.29 | wykis | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.29 | wykis | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.29 | wykis | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.42 | wykis | very imaginative... should be something like 'list', which is what I searched for |
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| 16:56.13 | john_titor | eclipse is good for begginners? |
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| 16:56.21 | msn | wykis: the best thing is while you look for it you will learn 10 other options you never though were possible |
| 16:56.33 | wykis | good |
| 16:56.35 | msn | john_titor: what do you want to do with it |
| 16:56.55 | john_titor | start to learn some java |
| 16:57.06 | john_titor | programming |
| 16:57.17 | et | that will not be good for beginners regardless of the editor ;) |
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| 16:57.41 | john_titor | ok :P |
| 16:57.43 | msn | use vi |
| 16:57.50 | john_titor | there is no jcreator for debian right? |
| 16:58.00 | msn | download sun java |
| 16:58.03 | msn | try non-free |
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| 16:59.23 | jetscreamer | ask in #java maybe |
| 16:59.25 | jetscreamer | also |
| 16:59.31 | john_titor | ok thx ! |
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| 17:06.15 | giupy | hi all |
| 17:07.05 | giupy | i have installed linux-image-2.6.22 instead of my old 2.6.18, i use sid, and i have a problem related to the keyboard at startup and boot fails with error: "AT/2 keyboard ....." |
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| 17:08.16 | giupy | why it has problems with my keyboard, it is strange |
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| 17:08.37 | The_Alexander | hello |
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| 17:08.58 | The_Alexander | how to run wine on amd64 debian? I tried a way from official wiki, but this doesn't work |
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| 17:09.38 | The_Alexander | http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit |
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| 17:09.51 | jetscreamer | i found a bug with the program secpanel and spaces in filenames on the remote... so now i need to determine if it's scp or secpanel |
| 17:09.58 | twobitsprite | well... I've learned something new today, time go home... |
| 17:10.01 | jetscreamer | how exciting |
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| 17:11.56 | shwouchk | hi |
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| 17:12.33 | shwouchk | is there a simple way to install a package from unstable into stable? |
| 17:12.43 | abrotman | !tell shwouchk about simple sid backport |
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| 17:13.34 | shwouchk | abrotman: thanks |
| 17:13.43 | jetscreamer | !tell shwouchk -about backports |
| 17:13.45 | jetscreamer | also |
| 17:14.37 | jetscreamer | !publickey |
| 17:14.38 | The_Alexander | how to run wine on amd64 debian? I tried a way from official wiki, but this doesn't work? the topic is http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit I can't find file /emul/ia64-linux/usr/bin/wine |
| 17:14.47 | abrotman | The_Alexander: ask #winehq |
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| 17:20.03 | jae | Anyone recommend a smart mirror script (or app/tool/whateveryouwannacallit) |
| 17:20.09 | abrotman | rsync |
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| 17:21.09 | themill | jetscreamer: scp handles filenames with spaces without any problems. subject to normal shell quoting rules, of course |
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| 17:29.21 | bipolar | Does anyone have any informed opinions on unfs3 for an NFS server? |
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| 17:30.40 | bipolar | If anyone is using it I'd love to hear about it |
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| 17:35.21 | abrotman | bipolar: might also want to ask ##linux |
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| 17:36.14 | moldy | hi |
| 17:36.22 | bipolar | abrotman: ok. thanks! |
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| 17:36.51 | moldy | i am going to setup a virtual mail hosting system with mailboxes etc. stored in mysql. are there any packages for sarge to get you going? |
| 17:37.01 | abrotman | moldy: you sohuld really use etch |
| 17:37.09 | mumbles | hello - all |
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| 17:37.22 | mumbles | i am having problems making the madwifi drivers |
| 17:37.25 | moldy | abrotman: etch is what numeric version? |
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| 17:38.11 | Phil4 | moldy, 4.0 |
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| 17:38.18 | moldy | Phil4: ok |
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| 17:38.30 | moldy | and etch is the current stable? |
| 17:38.34 | xand | yes |
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| 17:38.58 | abrotman | !madwifi install |
| 17:38.58 | dpkg | [madwifi-install] ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
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| 17:39.06 | moldy | the correct way to migrate is to substitute "stable" for "sarge" in sources.list? |
| 17:39.19 | mattd7591 | or etch |
| 17:39.22 | mumbles | anyone know what this means ? http://paste.uni.cc/16947 |
| 17:39.30 | moldy | mumbles: ok, thx |
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| 17:40.08 | xand | moldy: no |
| 17:40.13 | xand | !sarge->etch |
| 17:40.13 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. also ask me about <security> |
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| 17:40.48 | shwouchk | I get the following after adding the backports rep and running apt-get update... how do I fix it?; W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 17:41.03 | moldy | xand: if the system im am upgrading is basically "naked", can i then just run dist-upgrade? |
| 17:41.15 | abrotman | moldy: or you could just start a fresh install |
| 17:41.22 | xand | moldy: probably not. |
| 17:41.27 | abrotman | !apt-key 16BA136C |
| 17:41.27 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 16BA136C ; gpg --export 16BA136C | sudo apt-key add - |
| 17:41.40 | xand | moldy: i'd reinstall using etch |
| 17:41.48 | moldy | hmm. i will give it one try |
| 17:42.01 | moldy | i can reset the whole system to the sarge state without trouble anyway |
| 17:42.06 | mumbles | odd nothign under google either |
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| 17:42.36 | penrod | greetings: I am trying to helpout a former client. He has a debian box with 2.2.20 kernel and everything in one partition (/dev/hda1) he is running sendmail and has run out of disk space. I went and deleted a "whack" of old e-mail and df -h doesn't change, still indicates no disk space help |
| 17:42.47 | abrotman | !find 2.6.18-4-686/build etch |
| 17:42.49 | moldy | abrotman: it's a dedicated server i have no phsysical access to, which is why i would prefer the update route |
| 17:42.53 | dpkg | Debian Search of '2.6.18-4-686/build' (2): (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/build) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 ;; (/usr/share/doc/linux-image-2.6.18-4-686/buildinfo.gz) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-686. |
| 17:42.57 | abrotman | mumbles: ^^ |
| 17:42.59 | moldy | since i cannot use a boot cd |
| 17:43.06 | abrotman | moldy: ah okay .. then do a dist-upgrade to etch |
| 17:43.23 | abrotman | !tell mumbles about madwifi install |
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| 17:43.55 | moldy | ok, to my original question: is there a recommended way to setup postfix/mysql virtual mail? are there any packages that make this easier? |
| 17:44.11 | abrotman | moldy: i believe in the postfix package there are a number of docs about this |
| 17:44.28 | moldy | abrotman: ok, thanks |
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| 17:44.53 | abrotman | moldy: hrm .. nope |
| 17:45.18 | abrotman | !info postfix-mysql etch |
| 17:45.22 | dpkg | postfix-mysql: (MYSQL map support for Postfix), section mail, is extra. Version: 2.3.8-2+b1 (etch), Packaged size: 37 kB, Installed size: 100 kB |
| 17:45.23 | abrotman | moldy: ^^ |
| 17:45.48 | mumbles | thanks abrotman |
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| 17:45.50 | moldy | abrotman: hmm, sounds good |
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| 17:46.22 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i get this error /lib/i686/libpthread.so.0: version `GLIBC_2.3.2' not found . does that mean i am missing that version glibc and i should install it ? |
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| 17:47.02 | shwouchk | I get the following after adding the backports rep and running apt-get update... how do I fix it?; W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 17:47.15 | abrotman | !apt-key 16BA136C |
| 17:47.15 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 16BA136C ; gpg --export 16BA136C | sudo apt-key add - |
| 17:47.20 | abrotman | shwouchk ^^ |
| 17:47.26 | shwouchk | abrotman: thanks |
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| 17:47.28 | abrotman | thelostbutler: sounds liek a binary wants older libc |
| 17:48.09 | moldy | hmm |
| 17:48.19 | moldy | why does the dist-upgrade install stuff like kerberos and ldap oO |
| 17:48.49 | abrotman | something depends on iht |
| 17:48.50 | abrotman | it |
| 17:49.07 | thelostbutler | abrotman: ouch!, i guess i will need to go hunting for that version of libc |
| 17:49.16 | moldy | i guess the my hoster's default install is somewhat bloated... |
| 17:49.26 | abrotman | thelostbutler: there's another way i can't recall right now |
| 17:49.49 | abrotman | something like ASSUME_GLIBC=2.3 or osmething |
| 17:50.35 | thelostbutler | aah ok. thanks |
| 17:50.50 | tekkk | su -c <user> <command> = good or bad? |
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| 17:53.15 | mattd7591 | help |
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| 17:53.57 | mandingo | anyone have any idea how to tell inetd to only listen on a certain interface, instead of all of em? |
| 17:54.39 | tekkk | !info jboss |
| 17:54.51 | tekkk | !info tomcat |
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| 17:58.59 | ecraven | hello all |
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| 17:59.41 | ecraven | how can i tell ifup to test an interface for link status before running dhcp? i need it to do ifup eth0, then mii-tool eth0 | grep -v 'no link', if that returns 0, *then* run dhcpclient |
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| 18:04.38 | svalovic | ifup has some config file, maybe you need to edit that |
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| 18:06.14 | abrotman | ecraven: ask #bash |
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| 18:07.45 | tekkk | what client does deb use by default? |
| 18:07.51 | tekkk | er time client |
| 18:07.53 | tekkk | ntp |
| 18:07.58 | atealtha | I have an Etch system with some backports packages installed and want to upgrade to Lenny. What is the best way to ensure these packages don't mess it up? |
| 18:08.27 | abrotman | tekkk: none by default |
| 18:08.39 | abrotman | atealtha: uninstall them .. or leave them there and risk it |
| 18:08.49 | Muisje | Can i reinstall the base system, without reinstalling everything? |
| 18:08.59 | Muisje | Only the debian files and package manager |
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| 18:09.18 | chlue | Hello am I right to asume, that "1 5 cron.daily nice run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily" in /etc/anacron catches all daily cron jobs, so to set up a new daily job I add it to cron.daily and anacron automatically catches it and free cron from its burden to start the job? |
| 18:09.24 | atealtha | abrotman: alright thanks |
| 18:09.28 | Muisje | Cause the system is unable to do apt-get whatever without segmentation faults |
| 18:09.38 | Muisje | Also when grep is called, segmentation faults |
| 18:09.45 | Muisje | tar called? segmentation fault aswell |
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| 18:10.20 | Muisje | I want to reinstall the stuff without reinstalling the entire server, anyone has suggestions? (Debian etch 4.0) |
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| 18:11.35 | ola_ | Muisje: You might have bad memory, it's happens. Before you re-install everything, you should check it with memtest86 or similar. |
| 18:12.16 | Muisje | But... but... if it's the memory, why won't it just reallocate |
| 18:12.30 | Muisje | I suppose i could try to remove one of the memstrips |
| 18:12.34 | Muisje | hold on |
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| 18:13.54 | zophy | why is there a large amount of shell code in the shell environment for the shells created by screen ? |
| 18:14.16 | chlue | Muisje: afaik there are not many systems who do error checking of the ram, so if you have an error there, it will not found by some kind of controllsystem. |
| 18:14.36 | zophy | when i type 'set' i get a ton of bash code that seems to deal with imagemagic |
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| 18:17.27 | Muisje | i replaced mem |
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| 18:17.38 | Muisje | and still, segmentation faulting when grep is called |
| 18:17.50 | Muisje | and apt-get segfaults, aswell as tar |
| 18:17.57 | abrotman | Muisje: a memtest ? |
| 18:18.19 | Muisje | I replaced the memory |
| 18:18.22 | Muisje | with other memory... |
| 18:18.39 | Muisje | i know this one should work, since it's from my own PC |
| 18:18.54 | Muisje | if it is bad i would've known cause i ran a memtest on it 2 months ago |
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| 18:19.38 | Roey | Hi all. Regarding BIND configuration: Does this options{} stanza look correct? I want to be able to set this as my domain's authoritative DNS server, so that any queries to it from the internal network will be able to ping google.com, say...http://rafb.net/p/vn5oS074.html |
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| 18:20.07 | xored | Somone has OX running with Courier ? ( CVS version, debian etch) |
| 18:20.08 | BlackDiamonds | I'm installing a VM to playaround with Linux except I want to learn about servers and all that |
| 18:20.15 | BlackDiamonds | is testing good enough ? |
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| 18:20.26 | xored | when you want to learn about servers |
| 18:20.29 | BlackDiamonds | will testing work ? or will it have millions of quirks |
| 18:20.32 | xored | dont use testing, use stable ! |
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| 18:20.46 | BlackDiamonds | allright |
| 18:20.56 | BlackDiamonds | but aren't the packages always behind ? |
| 18:21.05 | zophy | it looks like /etc/bash_completion is sourced into the screen environment |
| 18:21.33 | xored | etch is just oout. And a server has to do with stablism nothing with "most actual" package...thats something for the desktop |
| 18:21.42 | BlackDiamonds | ok |
| 18:21.44 | BlackDiamonds | thanks |
| 18:21.51 | BlackDiamonds | I'll be installing it asap then |
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| 18:22.19 | xored | BlackDiamonds: just be sure wheather you want to setup a Desktop Linux for using as a Daily Workstation or a dedicated server |
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| 18:26.47 | jarohp | hello there. I'd like to ask question about openssl use but don't know where to ask so I decided to ask here :) I'd like to encrypt some data with private key - but with private key you should decrypt. I assumed that these operations are commutative (in the mathematical rsa theory), but -decrypt doesn't seem to accept arbitrary data due to some kind of padding. |
| 18:26.57 | jarohp | any ideas? |
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| 18:28.21 | zinx | why with the private key? |
| 18:28.35 | Muisje | so abrotman |
| 18:28.52 | Muisje | What can i do? |
| 18:28.58 | jarohp | zinx: because i need to process the data for clients which have public part of the key. |
| 18:29.19 | zinx | give them a private key |
| 18:29.33 | zinx | encrypt using the pubic key for said private key |
| 18:29.59 | jarohp | zinx: problem is that this key is used for transmission from clients to server. |
| 18:30.13 | zinx | public keys are generally considered to be public, so being able to decrypt with one (apart from signature verification) is pretty silly. |
| 18:30.56 | jarohp | zinx: the communication is done in this way: |
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| 18:31.31 | zinx | why don't you use secure sockets layer for communication? |
| 18:31.36 | jarohp | client has it's own key and he provides us the public key (encrypting with own-private). We will encrypt data with this and send it to client. |
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| 18:31.42 | zinx | why don't you use secure sockets layer for communication? |
| 18:31.57 | zinx | you're even using openssl already. |
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| 18:32.11 | jarohp | But I'd like to prevent anyone else sending data to client. Therefore I'd like to encrypt data sent to client with our private key as well. |
| 18:32.21 | zinx | and it sounds like you have very little experience in cryptography |
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| 18:32.26 | jarohp | zinx: offline |
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| 18:32.40 | zinx | so using something that's known to be fairly secure sounds like a good idea :/ |
| 18:32.58 | xingu | jarohp: you should be using a discrete key for each direction. |
| 18:33.03 | zinx | jarohp: well, you don't want to encrypt such that the public key can decrypt it anyway. you may as well not encrypt it at all. |
| 18:33.06 | reiser2 | is there any way to make flash animations in Linux ? |
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| 18:33.10 | tomdick | i've got some kind of crazy driver that's spewing messages into my logs. it began last friday when i plugged my usb flash drive into my system. it didn't come up with kde's 'what do you want to do with it' dialog and i just figured it was the price for running testing. but the log files begin there and are continuing now. a sample can be found here: http://pastebin.ca/657242 note that the flash drive that initiated this whole thing is no longer plugged |
| 18:33.10 | tomdick | in... |
| 18:33.31 | protoloco | hello, i have isntall xen with centos and rhel, Im new in debian.. somebody has installed xen with his virtual machines?? somebody can point me to the right direction to manage my XEN virtual machines... |
| 18:33.33 | zinx | jarohp: public keys are considered public, and thus may be distributed to the entire world. |
| 18:33.48 | zinx | jarohp: so you should assume everyone in the world has the public key. |
| 18:33.50 | pmvalente | somebody help me please, when I shut down my Debian machine (buttom or text), I doesn't shut the power off. It appear a gray screen with a horizontal white lines. Help me please to solve this. |
| 18:33.52 | xingu | jarohp: otherwise the peer has no clue as to whether or not you emitted the traffic. |
| 18:34.12 | jarohp | zinx: what I've seen someday is two way communication where two subjects are doing cross encryption with RSA |
| 18:34.40 | graytron | pmvalente: apt-get install apmd or acpid |
| 18:34.40 | xingu | jarohp: one key per direction. |
| 18:34.58 | graytron | pmvalente: sorry false suggestion |
| 18:35.01 | jarohp | zinx: i mean they: cat $data | enc with public | dec with other-private --->transmit ---> | enc with other-private | dec |
| 18:35.17 | graytron | pmvalente: but might still work ;) |
| 18:35.45 | zinx | jarohp: it is very rare to do encryption with RSA |
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| 18:36.06 | zinx | jarohp: generally it is used for just exchanging a symetric key |
| 18:36.09 | jarohp | that is theoretical application of pure mathematical rsa, but practical use within openssl doesn't seem to keep commutativity properties. |
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| 18:36.22 | jarohp | zinx: yes. That is what I use it for ;-) |
| 18:37.12 | zinx | jarohp: in any case, you should have one key pair per direction, as xingu keeps telling you. |
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| 18:38.02 | cmacis | Hi all. Iceweasel has stopped working with java since the last update. Any advice on getting it working again? |
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| 18:40.38 | possie | what is good scanning software for debian, i also need it todo OCR |
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| 18:42.04 | xingu | zinx: in a word (and not aimed at you - at jarohp) - "duh"; if you encrypt messages with your /private/ key the whole bloody world can decrypt them. :) |
| 18:42.09 | Sivik | what is the command to clear the history of commands |
| 18:42.14 | Sivik | via comamnd line |
| 18:42.29 | zinx | xingu: that's what i've told him too :/ |
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| 18:43.30 | lekvar | has anyone had much luck with the canned debian live usb images? i've tried several myself and so far not one works right. |
| 18:43.32 | xingu | zinx: what's the odds that jarohp doesn't bother with passphrases? :) |
| 18:43.56 | zinx | xingu: 99.99% :D |
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| 18:44.11 | YGingras | anyone can recomand a script to backup a file system tree to multiple CDs? I tried multicd but it is way to fragile, it alway aborts after about an hour because it can't handle a relative symlink |
| 18:44.15 | zinx | xingu: willing to bet he does no verification of the peer either |
| 18:44.21 | xingu | zinx: :) |
| 18:44.28 | xingu | YGingras: looked at mondo? |
| 18:44.29 | mst | silly question: is there a way to use apt/etc. against a chroot -without- chrooting into it? |
| 18:44.36 | tomdick | cmacis: make a symlink in the plugins folder that points to the libjavaplugin.so that you want to use |
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| 18:45.01 | cmacis | That makes no sense to me |
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| 18:45.23 | cmacis | well, everything but symlink makes sense |
| 18:45.36 | roxy_ | I built, installed and uploaded the driver for my pci wireless card but iwconfig shows nothing. What can I check ? |
| 18:45.37 | xingu | mst: see dpkg(1): --root |
| 18:45.40 | tomdick | cmacis: there is a directory /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins |
| 18:45.55 | mst | xingu: aha |
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| 18:46.02 | cmacis | yes |
| 18:46.05 | mst | xingu: how would I persade apt to handle that? |
| 18:46.24 | tomdick | cmacis: from that directory: ln -s /path/to/your/libjavaplugin.so ./ |
| 18:46.29 | xingu | mst: probably, -o= |
| 18:46.40 | YGingras | xingu: I would be happy with only a multi-iso spliter but yeah, mondo will do the trick. Thanks! |
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| 18:46.48 | cmacis | there is already a shortcut to libjavaplugin.so |
| 18:46.51 | tomdick | cmacis: either as root, or with sudo |
| 18:47.26 | DarkRamon | hello people... i need some assistance here, i'm getting an issue with the GFTP-GTK program, don't it is something about the display.. check the link please. http://rafb.net/p/dr02R637.html |
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| 18:47.45 | tomdick | cmacis: ls -al in that dir. does the file it is currently symlinked to exist? |
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| 18:48.24 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: try DISPLAY=:0.0 gftp-gtk |
| 18:48.33 | pmvalente | somebody help me please, when I shut down my Debian machine (buttom or text), I doesn't shut the power off. It appear a gray screen with a horizontal white lines. Help me please to solve this. |
| 18:48.34 | cmacis | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 41 2007-08-04 15:38 libjavaplugin.so -> /etc/alternatives/iceweasel-javaplugin.so Does that answer your question? |
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| 18:48.47 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: then ask yourself why you're running it as a different uid to the uid you're logged in as. |
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| 18:49.24 | DarkRamon | let me check |
| 18:49.27 | xingu | pmvalente: take a look at /etc/default/halt |
| 18:49.49 | DarkRamon | xingu: the same thing happens |
| 18:50.00 | Muisje | i'll just make a backup and reinstall the server tomorrow |
| 18:50.07 | tomdick | cmacis: install sun-java6-plugin |
| 18:50.12 | cmacis | ta |
| 18:50.53 | cmacis | it's java5 listed in synaptic |
| 18:50.56 | xingu | DarkRamon: open a new terminal window and type "echo $DISPLAY" |
| 18:50.56 | mst | xingu: ah, APT_CONFIG= to make it collect the right config then use config to make it talk to dpkg right. cool. |
| 18:50.59 | mst | xingu: many thanks |
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| 18:51.07 | DarkRamon | xingu:alright gimme one second |
| 18:51.39 | roxy_ | iwconig says: ra0 no wireless extensions. does it means a driver, card or other problem ? |
| 18:51.41 | pmvalente | xingu: HALT=poweroff |
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| 18:52.13 | DarkRamon | xingu: tried it without the " " and nothing happened... just a blank line and tried it with the " " and it shows : bash: echo :0.0: command not found |
| 18:52.53 | cmacis | found it on the debian website instead. Is it right that synaptic has packages a version behind the site? |
| 18:53.32 | xingu | DarkRamon: ok; in that case - from that same window - try gftp-gtk ? |
| 18:54.02 | tomdick | cmacis: i don't use synaptic, but i imagine that you might benefit from an 'aptitude update' from a terminal |
| 18:54.05 | xingu | pmvalente: when you try and poweroff from the command line - what command are you using? |
| 18:54.10 | DarkRamon | gftp-gtk |
| 18:54.10 | DarkRamon | bash: gftp-gtk: command not found |
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| 18:54.27 | tomdick | i've got some kind of crazy driver that's spewing messages into my logs. it began last friday when i plugged my usb flash drive into my system. it didn't come up with kde's 'what do you want to do with it' dialog and i just figured it was the price for running testing. but the log files begin there and are continuing now. a sample can be found here: http://pastebin.ca/657242 |
| 18:54.40 | xingu | DarkRamon: and so the next and obvious question is - in the other window, is that a login to a /different/ machine? |
| 18:55.04 | DarkRamon | nope |
| 18:55.06 | DarkRamon | same one |
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| 18:55.40 | xingu | DarkRamon: in the window which is failing; compare - hostname; which gftp-gtk |
| 18:55.55 | DarkRamon | same as this one.... |
| 18:55.57 | xingu | DarkRamon: with the output from the same commands in the new terminal window. |
| 18:56.06 | DarkRamon | let me try to apt-get install --reinstall the program |
| 18:56.27 | DarkRamon | now it works :S |
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| 18:56.33 | nixbox | hi all, is there some software for drawing house maps and then visualizing them in 3-D, or taking a tour inside? |
| 18:56.33 | DarkRamon | thanks xingu :) it was weird |
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| 18:57.44 | matadon | Anyone ever set up a qlogic FC HBA under Debian? |
| 18:57.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: Running what with a different UID? |
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| 18:58.08 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: sorry, nick-autocomplete-confusion; my apologies. |
| 18:58.25 | YGingras | xingu: mondo tries to bypass the FS and chockes on raid? |
| 18:58.27 | matadon | The driver (qla2xxx) recognizes the device, but I don't show any additional /dev for the disks off of the SAN... am I missing something? |
| 18:58.36 | xingu | nixbox: not specifically for housing CAD (or any CAD for that matter) - but blender is a 3d modeller |
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| 18:58.53 | pmvalente | xingu: shutdown -h, and the result is the same of clicking in the shutdown bottom in Gnome |
| 18:58.57 | xingu | YGingras: yuck; I was pretty sure it'd do a tar backup if you asked? |
| 18:59.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: No problemo. :) |
| 18:59.20 | xingu | pmvalente: in that case I would try and find a BIOS update for your system /first/ before spending much more time on this |
| 18:59.31 | Mr-R | matadon: there should be some messages in /var/log/syslog on detecting devices on the fc-net |
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| 18:59.51 | xingu | pmvalente: I suspect that your system is not supporting the acpi poweroff request as a most-likely cause |
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| 19:00.48 | Mr-R | matadon: but i tried the qla2300 a year ago. without connections to some real disks. so i am of no help... :) |
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| 19:01.10 | YGingras | xingu: maybe it only tries to fetch the MBR, I see no option to set it in "tar" mode |
| 19:02.00 | YGingras | xingu: "Disk /dev/md0 doesn't contain a valid partition table" |
| 19:02.13 | xingu | YGingras: weird; I can't spend time debugging this right now; but I'm pretty sure mondo does not have to use low-level disk access if you don't need it to; check the docs? |
| 19:02.26 | Mr-R | pmvalente: try "modprobe apm" to load the old power management module |
| 19:02.32 | matadon | Mr-R: Nope; all I've got are 'found the card' and 'loop up' messages. Firmware is outdated, though, so I'm going to have a go with that. |
| 19:02.50 | YGingras | xingu: I'm in the doc right now, I keep you posted if I find someting |
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| 19:03.32 | Mr-R | matadon: and the bios of the qla-card shows some disks? |
| 19:03.45 | moldy | i am preparing an update from sarge to etch. sources.list still configured for sarge. hitting "g" in aptitude (as in the documentation) does not want to update any packages, but apt-get dist-upgrade does. should i run the dist-upgrade or not? |
| 19:04.08 | matadon | Mr-R: Firmware didn't do it; I assume to hit the card BIOS I'll need to reboot, correct? |
| 19:04.20 | xingu | tomdick: trigger a scsi bus rescan on that scsi bus: http://www-941.ibm.com/collaboration/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=3625 |
| 19:04.33 | pmvalente | Mr-R: I try your sujetion and the result is: FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device |
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| 19:05.05 | YGingras | xingu: it seems that we can just ignore the error and still do the backup |
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| 19:05.26 | Mr-R | matadon: yes. right. there is are some messages along the other bios-messages. and some key-combo to enter a small config-program. |
| 19:05.54 | protoloco | the diferences of /etc/group and /etc/group- ? |
| 19:07.32 | Mr-R | pmvalente: ups. ok. apm is quite old. |
| 19:08.02 | cmacis | What? Circular dependancies. I need sun-java6-bin to install sun-java6-jre and vice versa. Can I do it with synaptic instead? I already updated my package lists and java5 is still the most recent version. |
| 19:08.15 | pmvalente | Its functions before I made and ATI driver update, but now... |
| 19:09.10 | roxy_ | cmacis: java6 is not an update to java6, this is 2 separate packages. |
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| 19:09.42 | snowbird | ati is now amd no drivers for any thing.not evem os crap |
| 19:09.43 | cmacis | yes, 2 seperate packages that claim that they each need the other before they will install. |
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| 19:10.04 | snowbird | java 6 dont work any were any how |
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| 19:10.12 | roxy_ | cmacis: not on my system. java6 never depends on java5 |
| 19:10.22 | cmacis | no, I didn't say that |
| 19:11.17 | roxy_ | cmacis: your talking sun's java, aren't you ? |
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| 19:11.25 | cmacis | It isn't asking for java5. java6-bin is asking for java6-jre and java5-jre is asking for java6-bin. Someone here said that I need java6 before I can get java working with iceweasel since iceweasel last upgraded. Yes, sun microsystems |
| 19:11.35 | mijenix | Happy Birthday Debian! |
| 19:11.50 | snowbird | ahh |
| 19:12.01 | snowbird | java 6 if u get it working more wil work |
| 19:12.16 | roxy_ | cmacis: sun-java6-jre doesn't depends on bin |
| 19:12.35 | snowbird | there is java 6 bin out go fetch it and u have java |
| 19:12.38 | roxy_ | cm$ |
| 19:12.40 | mijenix | is that the offical IRC Channel for debian? |
| 19:12.53 | snowbird | what channel? |
| 19:13.01 | mijenix | this one |
| 19:13.08 | gerber^Cavesup | Anybody know a good irssi xmms plugin? |
| 19:13.09 | roxy_ | cmacis: on my system *jre doesn(t depends on any java package, and *bin replaces *jre. |
| 19:13.10 | xand | it's the original offcial one |
| 19:13.18 | cmacis | sun-java6-jre depends on sun-java6-bin straight from the terminal output |
| 19:13.22 | h3sp4wn | mijenix: the official channel is on oftcv |
| 19:13.27 | h3sp4wn | mijenix: *oftc |
| 19:13.29 | mijenix | xand: nice :) |
| 19:13.32 | abrotman | there's no official channel |
| 19:13.49 | xand | it must be official or the name would have two hashes in ;P |
| 19:13.50 | abrotman | gerber^Cavesup: ask #irssi perhaps |
| 19:14.04 | abrotman | xand: or they just don't care and didn't rename it |
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| 19:14.56 | roxy_ | cmacis: on my system jre is: Replaces: sun-java6-bin, ia32-sun-java6-bin |
| 19:15.05 | roxy_ | not depends |
| 19:15.16 | mijenix | hmm why the offical OFTC IRC debian channel has not so many users then the freenode debian channel? |
| 19:15.32 | Ronin | mijenix: personal choice which to use |
| 19:15.35 | cmacis | That's what it gave in the error output on failed install. Oh well, back to windows to play runescape then :( |
| 19:15.39 | xand | mijenix: probably because this one came first and irc.debian.org pointed here |
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| 19:15.48 | xand | and no reason/desire to move there |
| 19:15.57 | mijenix | could be |
| 19:16.05 | roxy_ | cmacis: aptitude install sun-java6-jre will work. |
| 19:16.08 | xand | maybe freenode's just more popular than oftc |
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| 19:16.35 | roxy_ | cmacis: paste the output of it |
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| 19:17.14 | abrotman | mijenix: and there is no official debian irc channel |
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| 19:18.11 | pmvalente | somebody help me please, when I shut down my Debian machine (buttom or text), I doesn't shut the power off. It appear a gray screen with a horizontal white lines. Help me please to solve this. |
| 19:18.19 | abrotman | how old is the machine ? |
| 19:19.08 | cmacis | roxy_: http://pastie.caboo.se/87640 |
| 19:19.17 | mijenix | little question I used debian 2.2 and I don't got fimilar with the packet system is there any difference in 4.0? |
| 19:19.26 | Mr-R | abrotman: apm-module did not work for pmvalente. and he said, it come with an update for the ati driver |
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| 19:19.35 | Mr-R | abrotman: ehm came |
| 19:19.35 | mijenix | ah don't know the name of the packet manager but it was awful |
| 19:19.58 | mijenix | dselect? |
| 19:20.02 | mijenix | could that be? |
| 19:20.19 | azeem | mijenix: use aptitude or synaptic |
| 19:20.38 | dashs | There a good tutorial for home network config (say server, gateway, 3 workstations? |
| 19:20.39 | tekkk | !info *jdk* |
| 19:20.52 | tekkk | !info jdk1.5 |
| 19:20.54 | mijenix | azeem: okey |
| 19:20.57 | roxy_ | cmacis: are you sure you got the proper source list |
| 19:21.07 | tekkk | !info jdk-1.5 |
| 19:21.13 | tekkk | dangit |
| 19:21.15 | azeem | tekkk: please /msg the bot |
| 19:21.33 | tekkk | azeem: is there a search? |
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| 19:21.48 | mijenix | tekkk: yes, emerge -s package :) |
| 19:21.52 | roxy_ | cmacis: try "aptitude search sun" if there is no output from sun check you got non free in your source.list |
| 19:21.54 | karsten | tekkk: /msg dpkg list <regex> finds factoids matching regex. |
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| 19:22.03 | AngusRF | Compiling a kernel with "make-kpkg", I get the error "Control directory has wrong access permissions 700 (must be 755)". What is the control-directory then? |
| 19:22.04 | karsten | !tell tekkk about search |
| 19:22.05 | tekkk | nice thx |
| 19:22.06 | azeem | mijenix: this is #debian |
| 19:22.08 | aleph1 | hello everyone. I am having problems with the ftpd-ssl package. it seems to ignore the /etc/ftpchroot file or else chrooting fails for some other reason. do any of you know what I should try? |
| 19:22.08 | cmacis | Hit http://ftp.uk.debian.org etch/non-free Packages came up on aptitude update. That's the right one isn't it? |
| 19:22.15 | karsten | tekkk: bot factoid search or package search? |
| 19:22.17 | giupy | i have installed 2.6.22 and it fails at boot with error "input: at translated set 2 keyboard as /class/input/input0 .........kernel panic" |
| 19:22.17 | mijenix | azeem: I now was a joke |
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| 19:22.22 | abrotman | Mr-R: he sohuld probably use apcid |
| 19:22.33 | giupy | what do i need ? |
| 19:22.42 | tekkk | packages |
| 19:22.43 | azeem | mijenix: it isn't obvious to new users that this is a joke |
| 19:22.55 | tekkk | looking for sun jdk1.5 |
| 19:23.08 | azeem | packages.debian.org has a search feature |
| 19:23.20 | abrotman | azeem: you live! |
| 19:23.34 | tekkk | nice |
| 19:23.34 | tomdick | xingu: thanks. rescanning the bus didn't help, but deleting the scsi device did the job. |
| 19:23.49 | roxy_ | cmacis: stable or testing ? |
| 19:24.03 | cmacis | how would I know? |
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| 19:24.30 | cmacis | I upgrade as and when the upgrades come into synaptic |
| 19:24.49 | roxy_ | cmacis: etch is stable, sorry, java6 is no in stable. |
| 19:25.19 | cmacis | oh, so how do I get iceweasel to recognise java. It worked until the most recent upgrade |
| 19:25.20 | tomdick | cmacis: java5 works just as well. use it instead |
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| 19:25.49 | roxy_ | cmacis: if you have java5 installed it should work. It is not related with java version |
| 19:25.50 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, when I try to connect to a ftp server sftp ask me for a password but ftp dont, what password is sftp asking me? |
| 19:26.01 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_work: your ssh password most likely |
| 19:26.12 | snvv | hello, any idea when LyX 1.5 will be in unstable repo? |
| 19:26.32 | tomdick | cmacis: earlier you said that in your plugins directory there was a symlink to a java plugin. use ls -al in the directory that plugin is in to see if it is also a symlink |
| 19:26.33 | gonzaloaf_work | abrotman, do I need a user in the ftp server? |
| 19:26.36 | aleph1 | hello everyone. I am having problems with the ftpd-ssl package. it seems to ignore the /etc/ftpchroot file or else chrooting fails for some other reason. do any of you know what I should try? |
| 19:26.38 | dondelelcaro | snvv: when someone packages it and uploads it. |
| 19:26.46 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_work: i'd imagine so |
| 19:27.28 | cmacis | http://pastie.caboo.se/87643 |
| 19:27.30 | snvv | <dondelelcaro> do we know that person??? May i help if I can :) |
| 19:27.30 | gonzaloaf_work | abrotman, I 'm trying to do: $sftp ftp.de.debian.org I dont have a password on a debian mirror |
| 19:27.45 | gonzaloaf_work | abrotman, I meant user instead password |
| 19:27.57 | dondelelcaro | snvv: it's a team on alioth. See bugs.debian.org/lyx; FE. |
| 19:28.14 | snvv | <dondelelcaro> ok thank you |
| 19:28.19 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_work: why? |
| 19:28.33 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_work: i mean .. why are you trying to sftp to ftp.de.debian.org ? |
| 19:28.49 | gonzaloaf_work | abrotman, just for test sftp |
| 19:29.00 | tomdick | cmacis: now: ls -al /etc/alternatives |
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| 19:29.07 | dondelelcaro | gonzaloaf_work: many mirrors probably do not support sftp. |
| 19:29.08 | roxy_ | iwconfig can't see my pci wireless card: ra0 no wireless extensions . How can I solve this ? |
| 19:29.11 | gonzaloaf_work | abrotman, isnt sftp do the same that ftp but securely? |
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| 19:29.39 | gonzaloaf_work | dondelelcaro, ooh the ftp server does need to support sftp? |
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| 19:29.52 | cmacis | http://pastie.caboo.se/87644 |
| 19:30.19 | dondelelcaro | gonzaloaf_work: no, it does not. And you probably mean ftps, anyway. |
| 19:30.37 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_work: they should all support anonymous ftp .. and you're just getting data that is publically available, not putting .. regular ftp would be fine |
| 19:30.44 | xand | sftp and ftps are different o.O |
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| 19:31.22 | TomJ | is it possible to get old kernel packaes from somewhere? I'm on Debian unstable and I want the 2.6.20 kernel rahter than 2.6.22, but there's no apt package for 2.6.20 any more. I'd prefer to use an apt-get source rather than kernel.org so i keep to a consistent structure |
| 19:31.31 | gonzaloaf_work | whats the difference between the use of sftp and ftp? |
| 19:31.45 | dondelelcaro | TomJ: snapshot.debian.net may have them. |
| 19:31.52 | TomJ | thanks |
| 19:31.56 | cmacis | tomdick: http://pastie.caboo.se/87644 |
| 19:32.22 | ZumA | slm |
| 19:32.28 | ZumA | turk varmý |
| 19:32.37 | dondelelcaro | !tr |
| 19:32.37 | dpkg | it has been said that tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian-tr (irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
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| 19:32.55 | tomdick | cmacis: now: ls -al /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7 |
| 19:32.58 | ZumA | dpkg botmusun türkmüsün :D |
| 19:34.19 | cmacis | http://pastie.caboo.se/87646 |
| 19:34.39 | ZumA | www.mynet.com |
| 19:34.51 | nixbox | gonzaloaf_work, sftp uses the SSH protocol for communication which in turn uses encryption keys and is much more secure than ftp. FTP sends credentials such as username and password in plain text. |
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| 19:37.02 | atealtha | is there a way to see all installed packages from backports in a list? |
| 19:37.23 | atealtha | man pages for apt-{get,cache} aptitude didn't show anything I could use |
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| 19:38.24 | gonzaloaf_work | nixbox, but both are used for the same purposes, right? |
| 19:38.29 | cmacis | tomdick: http://pastie.caboo.se/87646 |
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| 19:40.10 | timthelion | is there a program that would copy a file to ftp with a single command? I want to do something like "upload somefile /ftp:timtheli@ftp.timthelion.com:/public_html/" at the cli, and then have it just prompt me for a password, upload it, and get me back to the cli |
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| 19:40.39 | xand | timthelion: you want to use scp |
| 19:40.58 | twobitsprite | xand: scp doesn't work with ftp |
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| 19:41.24 | xand | twobitsprite: yes, you don't want to be using ftp for uploads :) |
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| 19:41.41 | timthelion | what do you mean ? |
| 19:41.58 | timthelion | isn't ftp MEANT for transfering files?n |
| 19:41.58 | xand | ftp is nasty and insecure... scp is secure and will do that |
| 19:42.07 | xand | timthelion: maybe 20 years ago |
| 19:42.08 | xand | !fpt |
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| 19:42.09 | xand | !ftp |
| 19:42.10 | dpkg | ftp is, like, (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 19:42.13 | twobitsprite | xand: I suppose it depends on what you're uploading |
| 19:42.33 | kek | timthelion: ncftpput |
| 19:42.34 | twobitsprite | and how paranoid you are |
| 19:42.36 | yigal | alexfranci: atealtha have you answered your question yet, it sounds interesting? |
| 19:42.36 | xand | timthelion: it's insecure... your password is sent in plaintext |
| 19:42.44 | tomdick | cmacis: do you have sun-java5-plugin installed? |
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| 19:43.00 | cmacis | yes |
| 19:43.01 | xand | timthelion: the scp command copies a file to a remote machine over ssh |
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| 19:43.17 | xand | scp somefile timetheli@ftp.timthelion.com:/public_html/ |
| 19:43.21 | timthelion | I don't know that I have ssh, I'm using commercial hosting |
| 19:43.43 | tomdick | timthelion: most commercial hosting provides it.check their faq |
| 19:43.51 | yigal | atealtha: have you answered your question yet, it sounds interesting? |
| 19:44.05 | kek | there are many instances where ssh access is not available |
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| 19:44.23 | kek | and how did you know he's not on a local network? |
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| 19:44.25 | atealtha | yigal: no not yet |
| 19:44.58 | atealtha | was hoping apt-cache dumpavail would show them and I can grep, but no luck |
| 19:45.12 | tomdick | cmacis: what about your profile. can you create a temporary user, log in to that account and get things to work? if so, you may have a problem in your ~/.iceweasel dir |
| 19:45.34 | cmacis | maybe, I'll try that in a bit. thanks |
| 19:45.55 | yigal | atealtha: so you know how to find all the packages installed with dpkg and aptitude? |
| 19:46.44 | yigal | atealtha: just to begin with the basic facts |
| 19:46.52 | tomdick | cmacis: the dir might be .mozilla instead, just fyi |
| 19:47.20 | atealtha | yigal: no I don't |
| 19:47.47 | yigal | atealtha: ok so 1st lets do that, for aptitude it is: aptitude search ~i |
| 19:48.35 | atealtha | speaking of aptitude, am I the only one who see's that man page with a bunch of \fB and \fR characters? |
| 19:48.43 | atealtha | makes it hard for me to read |
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| 19:49.22 | abrotman | atealtha: no .. everyone has it |
| 19:49.41 | jelly-home | doesn't matter enough to be fixed in stable? :-( |
| 19:49.51 | matadon | Mr-R: Ok, so the system doesn't see any disks in the BIOS at all. Its plugged into a SANsurfer switch that has no security (all machines can see/use all disks), and I've got green lights on the admin console, and on the back of the machine. |
| 19:49.51 | yigal | abrotman: what are you getting at with the aptitude, i don't have it? |
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| 19:50.35 | yigal | atealtha: ok if you don't like aptitude then use dpkg: dpkg --get-selections |
| 19:50.47 | jelly-home | yigal: [...] COMMAND-LINE ACTIONS [...] The following actions are available: \fBinstall\fR |
| 19:50.50 | atealtha | anyways yigal I see the option. it's gonna be hard for me to read the man pages but I'll start there |
| 19:51.08 | roxy_ | does it look like an ok config for wireless in /etc/network/interfaces http://rafb.net/p/hlZWvY26.html ? |
| 19:51.18 | jelly-home | sounds like someone escaped those \ one too many times |
| 19:51.41 | yigal | atealtha: ok, i am not asking that, but if thats the route you want to take, enjoy |
| 19:51.51 | roxy_ | jelly-home: I've seen that on a terminal with problem |
| 19:52.27 | atealtha | yigal: I thought you were trying to guide me |
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| 19:52.43 | timthelion | xand: it says connection refused |
| 19:53.03 | jelly-home | roxy_: then an xterm with a utf-8 locale is broken... frankly, I don't think so |
| 19:53.10 | yigal | atealtha: true that, if you don't want a guide, i have better things to do :) |
| 19:53.17 | Mr-R | matadon: hmm, could be everything. from zoning on the switch (that you excluded) to drive-assignment on the storage subsystem. i only used ibm-svc storage virtualisation and nothing else... |
| 19:53.58 | yigal | atealtha: + I am not sure if i have a solution, and it sounds an interesting problem |
| 19:54.28 | jelly-home | matadon: also, booting from SAN may have to be explicitely enabled in the SAN card's BIOS |
| 19:55.22 | atealtha | yigal: I was saying thanks for the guidance |
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| 19:55.44 | roxy_ | jelly-home: I had that type of stuff on man page on my terminal. Didn't try to debugged it, it was on a lfs system |
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| 19:56.25 | jelly-home | roxy_: that's what a man page file looks raw |
| 19:56.32 | yigal | atealtha: sweet, if you find a solution for the total problem please tell me |
| 19:56.42 | atealtha | np |
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| 19:58.17 | xand | timthelion: guess you'll have to use ftp then |
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| 20:04.30 | tekkk | what does this mean => |
| 20:04.31 | tekkk | non-free |
| 20:04.46 | tekkk | for a package, have to pay? |
| 20:04.53 | dimir | No. |
| 20:04.54 | cmacis | just that the source isn't open |
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| 20:05.15 | tekkk | apt-get says it cant find the package |
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| 20:05.19 | cmacis | nobody took your credit card details at any point. So how will they collect payment? |
| 20:05.22 | dimir | tekkk: "free" as in "freedom", not "price". |
| 20:05.26 | abrotman | !tell tekkk about non-free |
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| 20:05.43 | abrotman | cmacis: that's not all it means |
| 20:06.27 | abrotman | cmacis: it could also be a non-DFSG-compatible F/OSS license |
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| 20:06.43 | xand | !non-free |
| 20:06.43 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about <vrms> |
| 20:06.50 | abrotman | !info qmail-src etch |
| 20:06.52 | dpkg | qmail-src: (Source only package for building qmail binary package), section non-free/mail, is extra. Version: 1.03-44 (etch), Packaged size: 566 kB, Installed size: 640 kB |
| 20:06.57 | abrotman | like that pile of trash |
| 20:07.21 | cmacis | I've heard a lot about dfsg and it's problems. I don't lose sleep over using non-free |
| 20:07.28 | abrotman | its |
| 20:08.33 | nweaver916 | I have a strange question. I have routes for the local connected networks (lets call them 192.168.202.x, and 192.168.196.x, via eth0 and eth1 respectivly). I want to delete the second one (192.168.196.0 via eth1) and have it route it out the default route (0.0.0.0 route) |
| 20:08.37 | nweaver916 | is there any way to do that? |
| 20:08.43 | tekkk | debian needs portage |
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| 20:09.16 | nweaver916 | portage sucks |
| 20:09.28 | tekkk | yea n apt is working wonders |
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| 20:10.06 | timthelion | I'm party to aptitude myself, I like how it sugests packages when you just type something random in to install |
| 20:10.11 | nweaver916 | I have used both, and let me tell you, apt is leaps and bounds above portage. I was a gentoo user for 2 years before using Deb. I got tired of watching text scroll on the screen. I like USING my computer a lot more |
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| 20:10.35 | tekkk | lol wasnt refering to gentoo |
| 20:10.40 | tekkk | nd yes i agree there |
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| 20:10.59 | tekkk | but something to be said about bsd ports tree |
| 20:11.08 | tekkk | simple, quick and to the point |
| 20:11.49 | timthelion | I actually like using small c programs which compile quickly and are easy to modify, I mostly download a tar.gz rather than actually installing through aptitude, aptitude is for libraries |
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| 20:14.15 | abrotman | tekkk: why would debian ever need portage ? |
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| 20:15.17 | tekkk | why would you ever want fuel efficient cars, i dunno |
| 20:15.31 | h3sp4wn | You can have Debian with pkgsrc (see Bluewall Linux) |
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| 20:15.32 | loupgaroublond | to fill a five percent niche, it would be nice to have to pick what features i want through debconf, that can be compiled into a deb |
| 20:15.40 | OuechMaisNonch | hi all |
| 20:15.42 | loupgaroublond | portage != fuel efficient car :P |
| 20:16.00 | abrotman | tekkk: what would portage gain for a debian system ? |
| 20:16.10 | dondelelcaro | loupgaroublond: in most cases it doesn't matter; plus, handling debugging and transitions for those cases is rather problematic. |
| 20:16.14 | OuechMaisNonch | anyone knows if there's a way increase the number of lines scrolled by the mouse wheel? |
| 20:16.26 | dondelelcaro | loupgaroublond: in the few cases where it does matter, it already exists, though. |
| 20:16.35 | loupgaroublond | dondelelcaro, pretty much |
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| 20:16.50 | loupgaroublond | it's usually a matter of codecs being compiled into certain media packages |
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| 20:17.08 | abrotman | as opposed to libraries? |
| 20:17.11 | tekkk | it was a metaphor lol |
| 20:17.15 | dondelelcaro | loupgaroublond: those codecs tend to be things that we couldn't distribute anyway; they're available separately. |
| 20:17.47 | nweaver916 | loupgaro....you an ATOT? |
| 20:19.11 | loupgaroublond | dondelelcaro, sometimes they are just compile switches too |
| 20:19.20 | loupgaroublond | nweaver916, a what? |
| 20:19.38 | dondelelcaro | loupgaroublond: like what? |
| 20:19.46 | nweaver916 | nm, if you were an ATOT person, you would know it |
| 20:19.55 | loupgaroublond | nweaver916, now' i'm curious |
| 20:20.16 | nweaver916 | Anandtech forums....there is/was a user named Loupgarou on there |
| 20:20.48 | loupgaroublond | dondelelcaro, i believe mpd was one of them, and something similar that's not a codec, font rendering |
| 20:20.57 | loupgaroublond | nweaver916, that's loupgarou, i'm loupgaroublond |
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| 20:21.52 | SexyKen | Guys, is this fast: http://i.dslr.net/imc/0/0/6/9/35194952.png |
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| 20:22.24 | dondelelcaro | loupgaroublond: what in particular about mpd? and what about font rendering? |
| 20:22.29 | et | depends |
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| 20:23.11 | loupgaroublond | dondelelcaro, i think it was something about wmv, this may have changed, as for font rendering, there's an issue with patent infringment in the rendering algorithm that can be disabled at compile time, which last i checked, debian does as well |
| 20:23.27 | abrotman | WMV is a free codec ? |
| 20:23.52 | dondelelcaro | loupgaroublond: in which rendering algorithm? |
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| 20:24.13 | yigal | mpd the music player daemon? |
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| 20:24.25 | MZBC | hi |
| 20:24.28 | giupy | well i'm back, nothing, it still fails with error:" input AT tranlsated set 2 keyboard as class/input/input0" |
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| 20:24.30 | giupy | why? |
| 20:24.37 | kjaer | How can I get a list of all installed packages? |
| 20:24.43 | giupy | with 2.6.8 i don't have that problem |
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| 20:24.49 | yigal | kjaer: man dpkg |
| 20:24.50 | giupy | kjaer dpkg -L |
| 20:25.12 | giupy | kjaer dpkg -L > file && less file |
| 20:25.16 | giupy | it's better |
| 20:25.30 | loupgaroublond | dondelelcaro, byte code interpreting for font hints |
| 20:25.31 | loupgaroublond | abrotman, no |
| 20:25.34 | kjaer | giupy: Already did the last one. Time to reinstall :-) |
| 20:25.34 | loupgaroublond | yigal, yes |
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| 20:26.56 | yigal | kjaer: actually dpkg --get-selections is better |
| 20:27.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | Will Debian package Mumble? (mumble.sf.net) |
| 20:28.50 | yigal | loupgaroublond: mpd rocks :) |
| 20:28.51 | Eulex | Dark_Apostrophe, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=429988 |
| 20:28.58 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Apostrophe: the correct question is will someone package Mumble for Debian? |
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| 20:29.25 | Eulex | Dark_Apostrophe, ITP means "Intent to package" |
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| 20:29.54 | Eulex | tarzeau, ping |
| 20:30.20 | loupgaroublond | yigal, indeed it does :) |
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| 20:34.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | dondelelcaro: And the answer is...? |
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| 20:35.46 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: answer is .. http://www.us.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ |
| 20:36.05 | jae | Dark_Apostrophe: you could also check bugs.debian.org/wnpp ;) |
| 20:36.05 | fantomas | Hi. Is there a command line tool for converting images to different formats except ImageMagick? |
| 20:36.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Sure, I'll adopt mumble... if you teach me to package ;) |
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| 20:37.01 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: check to see if someone already filed an ITP |
| 20:37.04 | abrotman | or RFP |
| 20:37.18 | Stiopa | good evening! |
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| 20:37.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: How? |
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| 20:37.50 | abrotman | click on the links there |
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| 20:39.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Can't find mumble in any |
| 20:39.15 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Apostrophe: Eulex already gave you the answer. |
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| 20:39.28 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: you sohuld look again |
| 20:39.36 | Stiopa | I have an issue with Evolution at Debian Etch: send/recieve button is "turned off" so I cannot send or recieve mails. I can't figure out what shall I google for to get tjhe right answer. If one of you would like to give me some hint, I would be honoured :-) |
| 20:39.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | :/ |
| 20:39.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | where? |
| 20:39.56 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Apostrophe: right above where I corrected your question. |
| 20:39.57 | abrotman | scroll up |
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| 20:40.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | Aha |
| 20:40.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | preparation |
| 20:40.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: finish mumble! |
| 20:40.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau is doing it? |
| 20:40.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: I can do mumble if you teach me to package |
| 20:41.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | I tried packaging once using a KDE GUI |
| 20:41.06 | abrotman | !nm |
| 20:41.06 | dpkg | somebody said nm was New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 20:41.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | Even with that, I failed spectacularly |
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| 20:41.11 | abrotman | erm ... |
| 20:41.12 | abrotman | wrong one |
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| 20:41.16 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: /msg dpkg mg |
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| 20:41.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | If I'm gonna have to read 500 pages of tutorials, never mind |
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| 20:43.14 | karsten | Dark_Apostrophe: Naw, 500 pages is too much. |
| 20:43.23 | karsten | Dark_Apostrophe: Usually it's 498.22371 |
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| 20:43.51 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: if you're not willing to learn .. why offer |
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| 20:44.26 | g0rd0n | hey, grub-reboot segfaults on both of my etch boxes... what is wrong? |
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| 20:44.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | karsten: Aha. |
| 20:44.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | karsten: Well, in that case, sure |
| 20:44.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | :P |
| 20:45.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: I said if someone were willing to teach me, not if I were willing to read the equivalent of a bible |
| 20:45.30 | pmvalente | hello, somebody could help me, when I shut down my Debian system it doesn't turn the power off, any body know how to fix it? |
| 20:45.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | I haven't got time for books any more - I only listen to audiobooks while busing to and from work |
| 20:45.59 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: i beleieve there are video tutorials |
| 20:46.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | pmvalente: Try to remove the CMOS battery for a few minutes, reinsert it and see if it helps |
| 20:46.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Where? |
| 20:46.41 | abrotman | pmvalente: is acpid installed |
| 20:46.53 | abrotman | ogh .. maybe not |
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| 20:48.21 | pmvalente | abrotman: yes it is |
| 20:48.51 | yigal | \exit |
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| 20:49.40 | Sivik | ok, i'm trying to install php5 and i can not find a working repo for the install candidates |
| 20:50.22 | abrotman | pmvalente: how old is the machine ? |
| 20:50.37 | abrotman | Sivik: did you run apt-get update first? |
| 20:50.41 | abrotman | ro aptitude update |
| 20:51.11 | Sivik | yes, thats where i'm getting the issues |
| 20:51.15 | Sivik | its for sarge |
| 20:52.04 | Sivik | http://pastebin.com/m2ccd4fd1 |
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| 20:53.47 | pmvalente | Its a pentium IV, about 3 or 4 y.o. |
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| 20:54.25 | pmvalente | abrotman: before it works everything ok, them I made and ATI driver update and oops... |
| 20:54.35 | Stiopa | "solved" Just in case some one might be interested: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+question/3965 |
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| 20:56.42 | exs | I am trying to mount an UIF file (bit like iso), so far i've got "sudo mount file.uif /media/iso/ -t UIF -o loop"; but it's not working, if anyone can help - that would be great |
| 20:57.29 | Sivik | exs: please don't repeat |
| 20:57.42 | exs | I'm not repeating. |
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| 20:57.56 | Sivik | exs: people are busy and will get to you if anyone knows how to fix this they will let you know |
| 20:58.02 | Sivik | sorry |
| 20:58.14 | Sivik | different channel |
| 20:58.17 | abrotman | Sivik: did you ask cafuego ? |
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| 20:58.33 | Sivik | i'm asking anyone |
| 20:58.37 | abrotman | or try apt-get update && aptitude update |
| 20:58.49 | abrotman | Sivik: one would assume cafuego.net belongs to cafuego user in this channel |
| 20:58.50 | exs | I only asked once Sivik |
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| 20:59.00 | Sivik | yes i know, i said i'm sorry and that was in the other channel |
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| 20:59.15 | Sivik | abrotman: ok |
| 20:59.27 | abrotman | Sivik: that said .. use backports.org |
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| 20:59.47 | Sivik | !upgrade |
| 20:59.47 | dpkg | well, upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security', or if you upgrade to a new stable version, read the release notes first |
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| 21:00.32 | LoGiCa | I need some help with partitioning, I'm gonna install debian on an old box with a 10gb hard drive, what would be the best way to partition? any help would be appreciated |
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| 21:00.44 | cmacis | need windows on it? |
| 21:00.45 | knoman | Narrasne latine? |
| 21:00.46 | Sivik | LoGiCa, 1x ram for swap, the rest, the root |
| 21:01.17 | LoGiCa | ok cool, i read about having a boot partition, then swap then root |
| 21:01.19 | abrotman | knoman: english ? |
| 21:01.38 | LoGiCa | or is it best just to have swap then root and thats it |
| 21:01.56 | Sivik | you don't have to have a boot |
| 21:01.59 | abrotman | depends on the uyse of the system |
| 21:01.59 | dondelelcaro | LoGiCa: kind of up to you |
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| 21:02.02 | Sivik | just a / and a swap |
| 21:02.14 | Sivik | thats all you need, root and swap to run the system |
| 21:02.28 | abrotman | technically you don't need swap |
| 21:02.32 | LoGiCa | right, and the boot stuff will be installed on the root partition |
| 21:03.05 | knoman | Meus latine es malus |
| 21:03.14 | pmvalente | abrotman: its a pentium IV about 3 or 4 years |
| 21:03.15 | helo | abrotman: isn't there something about needing swap to run programs larger than half of your system memory? something about closing the program making a copy or ... ? |
| 21:03.26 | LoGiCa | just for learning can some of you guys just type your partition setup, so i can see the various ways |
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| 21:05.31 | abrotman | helo: that's dependent on the use of the system |
| 21:05.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | Why do Debian packages of Wine constantly crash, whereas self-compiled Wine works perfectly? |
| 21:06.25 | themill | knoman: sorry, we don't have a latin channel. Perhaps try English. |
| 21:06.38 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Apostrophe: hard to know without seeing coredumps and bugs filed. You have filed bugs, right? |
| 21:07.04 | LoGiCa | thanks for the help guys :) appreciated |
| 21:07.10 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: can't say that I ever have that problem with wine |
| 21:07.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | segfaults galore |
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| 21:09.25 | LoGiCa | Forgot to ask, whats the current kernel version in debian 4.0? |
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| 21:10.41 | abrotman | remind me again why aptitude install postfix installs emacs ... |
| 21:10.42 | LoGiCa | nvm found it thnx |
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| 21:11.59 | themill | abrotman: probably because postfix is actually implemented in lisp within emacs :) |
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| 21:12.16 | abrotman | ah .. no |
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| 21:12.57 | themill | abrotman: it probably *could* be.... |
| 21:13.16 | abrotman | !depends postfix etch |
| 21:13.19 | dpkg | postfix: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libdb4.3 (>= 4.3.28-1), libsasl2-2, libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8c-1), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, netbase, adduser (>= 3.48), dpkg (>= 1.8.3), lsb-base (>= 3.0-6), ssl-cert |
| 21:13.28 | helo | lsb-base? |
| 21:13.31 | themill | abrotman: it's the mail-reader Recommends |
| 21:13.44 | solemnwarning | Is there a program I can run that tells me if IDE drives in the machine support ATA locking? |
| 21:14.20 | abrotman | themill: why not use mutt ? |
| 21:14.45 | joepa | is there a utility available in debian testing that will convert plain text to html? |
| 21:14.46 | g0rd0n | hey, grub-reboot segfaults on both of my etch boxes... what is wrong? (both machines were upgraded from sarge recently) |
| 21:15.02 | themill | abrotman: if you have another mail-reader installed then it wouldn't, I guess. |
| 21:15.47 | abrotman | that's just stupid |
| 21:15.49 | lordrich | yeah, defaulting to emacs seems really silly to me too, especially when emacs then starts asking for X stuff |
| 21:16.01 | g0rd0n | /usr/sbin/grub-reboot: line 68: 10690 Segmentation fault grub --batch --config-file=$config_file $@ <<EOT |
| 21:16.17 | abrotman | http://paste.debian.net/34645 |
| 21:16.21 | abrotman | what kind of crap is that |
| 21:16.29 | abrotman | kmail ? |
| 21:16.46 | abrotman | it installs seemingly half of the email clients available |
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| 21:16.58 | abrotman | or rather .. recommends |
| 21:17.15 | lordrich | and since aptitude is about to start installing recommends by default... |
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| 21:17.54 | themill | abrotman: no, it just recommends mail-reader. Any single package that Provides mail-reader satisfies the dependency. |
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| 21:18.20 | abrotman | themill: i know that .. but why does postfix even recommend one at all |
| 21:18.32 | lordrich | but a) it should be suggests not recommends and b) it should know to install a more sensible mail reader than emacs |
| 21:18.45 | themill | abrotman: stuffed if I know. |
| 21:18.51 | abrotman | !stuff themill |
| 21:18.53 | abrotman | oh well |
| 21:18.55 | themill | lordrich: *nod* |
| 21:19.03 | pappanz | hi. does someone know a way of configuring hotkeys in an ASUS notebook? |
| 21:19.11 | abrotman | !info lineakd etch |
| 21:19.14 | dpkg | lineakd: (Linux support for Easy Access and Internet Keyboards), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.9-3 (etch), Packaged size: 104 kB, Installed size: 452 kB |
| 21:19.33 | themill | lordrich: "Suggests: mail-reader | mailx " would be appropriate. |
| 21:20.05 | themill | lordrich: iirc, that hints the resolver to pick mailx rather than the first mail-reader that it thinks of (emacs) |
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| 21:20.38 | abrotman | themill: other way around |
| 21:20.45 | themill | lordrich: We almost need a way of "seconding" a bug report... |
| 21:20.53 | themill | abrotman: ok, thanks... will file that one away... |
| 21:21.07 | dondelelcaro | themill: the best way of seconding a bug report is to provide a patch. |
| 21:21.15 | themill | *grin* |
| 21:21.55 | pappanz | abrotman: is lineakd only for kde? |
| 21:22.02 | abrotman | uhm .. not that i know of |
| 21:22.37 | dondelelcaro | acceptable, but less optimal methods include refining/minimizing the error case, confirming that the bug exists for you too, and pointing out versions where the bug doesn't exist. |
| 21:22.55 | snowbird | themill hello i havent touched any thing today |
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| 21:23.07 | abrotman | themill: run for the hills |
| 21:23.24 | snowbird | the hills are here we farm em |
| 21:23.41 | snowbird | i got to bye modem |
| 21:23.48 | snowbird | my died |
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| 21:26.56 | snowbird | tehmil so whats up? |
| 21:27.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | WTF? http://paste.debian.net/34646 |
| 21:27.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone tell me what to do about that? ^ |
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| 21:28.51 | snowbird | ask#wine room |
| 21:29.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's a Debian problem, not a Wine problem, if the compiler doesn't compile! |
| 21:29.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | :P |
| 21:29.24 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: do you have build-essentials installed? |
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| 21:29.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst: Yes |
| 21:30.13 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: could you post configure.log ? |
| 21:30.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | sure |
| 21:30.24 | \amethyst | err, config.log |
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| 21:31.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst: http://paste.debian.net/34647 |
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| 21:32.05 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: ah, it looks like you have the 64-bit compiler but not the 32-bit one |
| 21:32.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm running AMD64 |
| 21:32.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | So yes |
| 21:33.07 | snowbird | thats cool irc thing |
| 21:33.36 | themill | dondelelcaro: yes, I know all this... but for that sort of change it would take the maintainer more time to apply the patch than to make the change themselves. Having said that, I've got the patch ready... |
| 21:33.49 | mandingo | afternoon |
| 21:34.04 | themill | lordrich: you want to attach this one to the bug? http://paste.debian.net/34648 |
| 21:34.09 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: maybe gcc-4.1-multilib will help? |
| 21:34.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok |
| 21:34.48 | lordrich | themill: will do |
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| 21:35.21 | themill | lordrich: that pastebin might expire actually... perhaps paste it in |
| 21:35.26 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: For some reason it's deciding it needs to be compiled with -m32... I don't know if that's a wine requirement or if configure is messing up |
| 21:35.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | 32-bit? |
| 21:35.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | I think I know why |
| 21:35.56 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: yeah |
| 21:36.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | I got this a short while ago: |
| 21:36.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: |
| 21:36.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:36.19 | rgsteele | Any IPTables whizzes out there? |
| 21:36.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | For some reason, Debian decided I didn't need 32-bit libs and had me remove them |
| 21:36.41 | themill | !tell rgsteele about anyone |
| 21:36.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | rgsteele: Does knowing what iptables is qualify? |
| 21:36.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | :P |
| 21:37.14 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: installing the multilib gcc will probably pull at least some of those back in, since it depends on libc6-dev-i386 on the amd64 arch |
| 21:37.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, configure is carrying along now |
| 21:37.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | Let's hope if finishes without error |
| 21:37.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Thanks, \amethyst |
| 21:37.57 | themill | dondelelcaro: actually, thanks for prodding me in that direction... I learnt about debian/substvars by looking through debian/control for postfix. :) |
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| 21:38.14 | rgsteele | themill: Works for me. Wondering why all packets after the first SSH packet get dropped. http://pastebin.ca/657414 |
| 21:38.25 | IndyGunFreak | what GUI does the Debian Network install give you? Gnome or Xfce? |
| 21:38.35 | themill | gnome |
| 21:38.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | rgsteele: #iptables? |
| 21:38.46 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: I would actually suggest taking the debian source package for wine, replacing the orig.tar.gz with the new version of wine, and building a debian package |
| 21:38.50 | IndyGunFreak | themill: thank you |
| 21:38.53 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: you might be doing that I guess |
| 21:38.57 | atealtha | rela newb Q: how can I get rid of a virtual package and all packages which fall under it? |
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| 21:39.02 | atealtha | s/rela/real |
| 21:39.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst: Can't be arsed to when a make install is much quicker ;) |
| 21:39.29 | IndyGunFreak | themill: if i were to download the buisnesscard image, would it let me choose xfce? |
| 21:39.30 | cqnqrd | how can i purge fglrx install please ? |
| 21:39.35 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: bah! :) |
| 21:39.42 | IndyGunFreak | i'm using a fairly limited PC |
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| 21:40.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst: Hey - Don't blame me for being lazy! All nerds are lazy ;) |
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| 21:40.26 | themill | IndyGunFreak: you can choose what you install off any of the install methods. You can tell tasksel to install nothing and then straight afterwards aptitude install xfce4 |
| 21:40.30 | zk | hello....anyone can help with a rc.local problem? |
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| 21:41.19 | themill | IndyGunFreak: netinstall *might* be easier than business card though. But I say that from a position of ignorance... I always use netinstall and never use business card |
| 21:41.40 | zk | anyone?:( |
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| 21:41.56 | IndyGunFreak | themill: yeah, but i couldn't rememer if you had a chance to choose xfce, instead of Gnome. |
| 21:42.01 | \amethyst | zk: not without some more info |
| 21:42.03 | Pengush | Hi, how can i list disk partitions in console on Debian ? |
| 21:42.26 | \amethyst | Pengush: of a particular drive, or all of them? |
| 21:42.36 | snowbird | passed themill a jazz pepsi |
| 21:42.37 | Pengush | \amethyst, all.. |
| 21:42.50 | petemc | Pengush: fdisk -l /dev/hda , adjust to suit |
| 21:42.51 | \amethyst | Pengush: ls -l /dev/disk/by-id |
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| 21:43.10 | Pengush | \amethyst, particular drive ? |
| 21:43.20 | \amethyst | Pengush: fdisk -l like petemc said |
| 21:43.38 | Pengush | Thanks.. |
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| 21:44.09 | zk | what's the difference between exec APPname and just the application name? |
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| 21:44.14 | themill | rgsteele: no idea. I'm not the person to ask. You can just try something like fail2ban though that does it for you. |
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| 21:44.32 | zk | i see when i put in rc.local just the application name ...the application loads correttly but used up to 50% of cpu |
| 21:44.32 | \amethyst | zk: exec foo ends the shell...nothing after it will ever execute |
| 21:44.47 | rgsteele | themill: I think iptables is the way to go, and I bumped #iptables - but thanks. |
| 21:44.53 | zk | but the application goes corretly to background |
| 21:45.02 | themill | rgsteele: fail2ban uses iptables and the ssh logs. |
| 21:45.19 | garotosopa | Hi. Is it possible to query dpkg for installed packages but not those Automatically installed as a dependency? |
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| 21:45.26 | rgsteele | Why monitor the logs, though, if iptables can do the job on it's own? Less overhead. |
| 21:45.27 | themill | rgsteele: actually, the second statement is missing -p tcp and --dport 22, I think |
| 21:45.44 | \amethyst | zk: but init is waiting for the script (which is now the program) to terminate |
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| 21:45.52 | themill | rgsteele: fail2ban works :) |
| 21:46.15 | \amethyst | zk: if it goes into the background properly, there should be no reason to use exec |
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| 21:46.54 | zk | \amethyst : private chat a sec please |
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| 21:47.25 | themill | rgsteele: and btw you might want to --name SSH your table in case you ever add extra rules |
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| 21:47.38 | rgsteele | themill: The point is to block any traffic (SSH or otherwise) if they have 6 new SSH connections within a 15 minute period. Although, that could be my problem - I never update based on SSH connections, I only update if I see 6 packets as long as they're in the 'recent' table. |
| 21:47.56 | \amethyst | zk: unless there's confidential information or something, let's keep it in channel |
| 21:48.09 | zk | ok |
| 21:48.12 | \amethyst | so that others might be enlightened :) |
| 21:48.31 | zk | \amethyst : so i want to start at boot ettercap.... |
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| 21:48.39 | dondelelcaro | rgsteele: doing that correctly is pretty much what fail2ban does. |
| 21:48.56 | themill | rgsteele: my understanding is that the data is poked into the table DEFAULT if you don't give it a name. |
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| 21:49.14 | rgsteele | themill: Yeah - perhaps I'll try naming it, see if that gets me anywhere. |
| 21:49.15 | themill | rgsteele: btw you don't need to reinvent this wheel. there are lots of other ppl who have done it |
| 21:49.19 | zk | \amethyst : when i put /usr/sbin/ettercap -Tq > mylogfile it goes correttly to background but uses about 50% of cpu and i don't understand why |
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| 21:49.36 | rgsteele | themill: I'm doing it myself to gain a better understanding of iptables. |
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| 21:49.43 | zk | \amethyst : but when i use exec ettercap bla bla....it works ok...just wanted to know why...and what does EXEC do |
| 21:50.09 | themill | rgsteele: here's a random one (untested by me) that might help you work out what to do. http://yoten.blogspot.com/2007/05/ban-ssh-after-3-incorrect-logins-for.html |
| 21:50.20 | themill | rgsteele: the second instruction is just for logging. |
| 21:50.24 | \amethyst | zk: Normally when the shell runs a program, it starts it in a new process, and the shell waits around for the program to terminate. |
| 21:50.42 | rgsteele | Yeah, that bans just SSH though. |
| 21:50.44 | \amethyst | zk: When you exec the program, instead the shell replaces itself with the program (keeping the same process ID) |
| 21:50.55 | themill | rgsteele: no, it bans port 22. |
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| 21:51.00 | rgsteele | Doesn't prevent the offending IP from trying to DoS POP or something right afterwards. |
| 21:51.19 | zk | \amethyst : i understand...but why so much cpu loading when the shell start a new program |
| 21:51.23 | themill | rgsteele: ok, I see where you're going |
| 21:51.50 | zk | \amethyst : is it because the shell remains open ? |
| 21:51.56 | petemc | rgsteele: how often do you find that happening? |
| 21:51.59 | \amethyst | zk: I don't know what's causing the behaviour you're seeing. I'd be inclined to blame ettercap, but I'm not sure |
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| 21:52.18 | \amethyst | zk: does running ettercap -Tq > filename go into the background immediately? |
| 21:52.39 | zk | \amethyst : yes |
| 21:52.47 | themill | rgsteele: the trouble is that I think once you're in the recent table, then any 6 SYN packets to *any* port from the client will trigger the hitcount |
| 21:53.35 | rgsteele | If it happens once, it's too much. And besides, this is applicable to other scenarios as well. Someone who targets a bunch of services at once. If they try to abuse one, I want them cut off from the rest. themill: Yeah, that is the logical error there. I've got to get it to update when connections to port 22 are made. I might need a third rule for the chain. |
| 21:54.00 | D3B14N | how can I add ubuntu to debian menu.list ? pls hlp |
| 21:54.22 | xlotlu | yey, binary ipw3945 kernel module. one less thing to m-a a-i |
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| 21:55.30 | \amethyst | zk: If it goes into the background, the shell won't wait for it to exit, and should keep going until it completes |
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| 21:55.46 | \amethyst | zk: if you look in top, is it ettercap or sh that's taking all the CPU? |
| 21:56.02 | themill | rgsteele: btw fail2ban can monitor other log files too and you can customise what it does for the ban (i.e. just one service or all services that it monitors or everything) |
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| 21:56.38 | \amethyst | zk: Just installed ettercap... when I run it with -Tq, it doesn't go into the background |
| 21:56.51 | themill | rgsteele: the default for fail2ban is to drop on all ports once the baddy has been identified |
| 21:58.17 | zk | \amethyst : hmmm |
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| 21:58.39 | zk | \amethyst : yeah me bad...sry...by go into background i mean...i don't see ettercap in any terminal |
| 21:59.04 | zk | \amethyst : it's ettercap that covers 50% of cpu |
| 21:59.13 | zk | \amethyst : and gets fixed by using exec ... |
| 21:59.44 | \amethyst | zk: it's waiting for user input |
| 21:59.50 | \amethyst | I think that's what's causing the problem |
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| 22:00.10 | \amethyst | zk: try ettercap -TDq -L mylogfile |
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| 22:00.26 | zk | \amethyst : it works for u ? the daemonize mode gives me an error |
| 22:01.00 | \amethyst | zk: Actually, I get the same error |
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| 22:02.28 | \amethyst | zk: what if you put in the script ettercap -Tq > logfile 2>&1 </dev/null & |
| 22:03.05 | \amethyst | zk: that will make it go into the background (&) and not take input (</dev/null), while also making sure all error messages go to the logfile (2>&1) |
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| 22:03.22 | Danielss89 | if i get this error: Fatal error: Call to undefined function mysql_connect() in /var/www/mysqldumper/inc/mysql.php on line 30 <-- what do i need to install then? |
| 22:03.39 | zk | ! well i'm keeping it with exec ettercap -Tq > logfile |
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| 22:03.52 | zk | \amethyst : just wanted to understand the exec and not exec stuff |
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| 22:03.56 | themill | Danielss89: php5-mysql |
| 22:04.10 | themill | Danielss89: (assuming that you are running php5, of course) |
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| 22:04.25 | zk | \amethyst : still didn't understand much tho...about why it is supposed to "DoS" my cpu...just by creating a child process :) |
| 22:04.33 | Danielss89 | its allready installed themill... and ind the php.ini file extension=mysql.so is there? |
| 22:04.52 | \amethyst | zk: I suspect a bug in ettercap, but I don't know for sure |
| 22:04.59 | themill | Danielss89: did you only recently install it? |
| 22:05.04 | \amethyst | zk: it's definitely a bug that -D doesn't work |
| 22:05.05 | Danielss89 | yeah? |
| 22:05.12 | Danielss89 | earlier today themill |
| 22:05.17 | themill | Danielss89: did you restart apache after installing it? |
| 22:05.24 | Danielss89 | yeah |
| 22:05.47 | zk | \amethyst : so to conclude....EXEC kill the shells and launch the program? |
| 22:05.59 | \amethyst | zk: it replaces the shell with the program |
| 22:06.00 | zk | \amethyst : that means i can't put other lines after the exec command right? |
| 22:06.04 | \amethyst | zk: right |
| 22:06.20 | zk | \amethyst : thanks a lot :) |
| 22:06.22 | themill | Danielss89: can you create (or do you have) a phpinfo() page? can you send us the url or pastebin it? |
| 22:06.30 | \amethyst | zk: they'll only be executed if the exec failed altogether (command not found etc) |
| 22:06.34 | Danielss89 | yeah 2 sec.. |
| 22:07.33 | Danielss89 | themill: http://82.103.140.48/ |
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| 22:08.33 | \amethyst | zk: Hm, trying out ettercap, I find that it takes 100% CPU (single core here) whenever I run it with </dev/null |
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| 22:09.07 | \amethyst | zk: that is, when it can't read from stdin |
| 22:09.07 | zk | \amethyst : strange... |
| 22:09.32 | \amethyst | zk: Which is likely to be the case when it's started from the rc.local script... so now the confusing thing is why exec fixes it :) |
| 22:09.46 | jorgp | Danielss89: phpinfo works for me |
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| 22:10.03 | giupy | hi all |
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| 22:10.13 | zk | \amethyst : yep :) |
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| 22:10.17 | themill | Danielss89: hmm... there should be a file /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini from your installation of the php packages. |
| 22:10.26 | themill | *mysql packages |
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| 22:10.39 | Danielss89 | yeah |
| 22:10.55 | speaker219 | Helloeth. |
| 22:10.59 | giupy | how to fix my problem, 2.6.18 and 2.6.22 fails boot for "at translated set 2 keyboard as /class/input/input0.........kernel panic" |
| 22:10.59 | speaker219 | *mysql POO |
| 22:11.01 | zicho | how can i use the command "tr" in order to change all words in a *.txt-file to another word? |
| 22:11.25 | giupy | my old 2.6.18 compiled by me was well |
| 22:11.40 | themill | Danielss89: sorry... it's getting late... I meant /etc/php5/conf.d/mysql.ini does it exist? |
| 22:11.46 | Danielss89 | oh |
| 22:12.04 | Danielss89 | yes |
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| 22:12.19 | \amethyst | jorgp: because, about 10 years ago, MySQL was fast and PostgreSQL was safe :) |
| 22:12.29 | themill | and is /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d a symlink to /etc/php5/conf.d ? |
| 22:12.38 | \amethyst | jorgp: and people value speed over safety for many applications |
| 22:12.57 | jorgp | \amethyst: I dont think that is the case today though |
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| 22:13.29 | Danielss89 | yes themill |
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| 22:13.51 | themill | jorgp: it's a matter of installed base now. How many $5/month hosts have mysql installed? how many have postgres? So what are you going to write your random php app for? |
| 22:14.09 | \amethyst | jorgp: Correct... innodb fixed a lot of problems with mysql (it's ACID), and versions 4 and 5 fixed many other limitations. Likewise postgresql has greatly improved their performance |
| 22:14.32 | \amethyst | s/their/its/ |
| 22:14.32 | giupy | wich command in sid instead of update-modules? |
| 22:15.05 | \amethyst | giupy: Nothing |
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| 22:15.28 | giupy | \amethyst only modify /etc/modules ? |
| 22:15.29 | dondelelcaro | giupy: there's no reason to use update-modules at all anymore |
| 22:15.29 | themill | Danielss89: hmmm... because php is not picking that up. (see the entry for "scan dir" and "additinoal parsed" in the first box) |
| 22:15.35 | jorgp | themill: thats true, most hosts like godaddy only do mysql |
| 22:15.43 | giupy | ok thanks |
| 22:16.30 | \amethyst | giupy: It used to build /etc/modprobe.conf out of the stuff in /etc/modprobe.d/ . Now the modprobe.d files are used directly |
| 22:17.10 | jorgp | \amethyst: very true, I just wondered, I use mysql myself.. |
| 22:17.28 | jorgp | themill: I'm not writing any random php apps |
| 22:17.34 | \amethyst | jorgp: I'm more of a postgres fan, but I use mysql when I have to |
| 22:17.47 | \amethyst | jorgp: that is, when the client already uses mysql :) |
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| 22:18.04 | twentyOne3 | how i install subversion svn? |
| 22:18.08 | twentyOne3 | sudo aptitude install svn? |
| 22:18.14 | themill | !tell twentyOne3 about search |
| 22:18.25 | \amethyst | twentyOne3: sudo aptitude install subversion |
| 22:18.32 | jorgp | \amethyst: but when the client have anything, you start with postgres? |
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| 22:18.43 | twentyOne3 | ok thanks |
| 22:18.44 | twentyOne3 | let me try |
| 22:18.57 | jorgp | s/have anything/has nothing |
| 22:19.01 | twentyOne3 | thanks |
| 22:19.01 | explody | I've got a kill command in an init script, that under some circumstances will try to kill a PID that is already gone (which is fine), except that the init script is exiting after the call to "kill" every time it tries to kill a nonexistant pid. any ideas why this might be? |
| 22:19.23 | themill | explody: sure it's not killing itself? |
| 22:19.35 | \amethyst | jorgp: Usually, and I use it for my personal projects |
| 22:19.48 | explody | themill: yep |
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| 22:20.23 | explody | it's only killing a pid from a pidfile, no pkills or pgreps that might be catching something wrong |
| 22:20.43 | Danielss89 | themill which box? |
| 22:20.43 | \amethyst | explody: does the script have set -e at the beginning? |
| 22:20.56 | explody | oh ffs |
| 22:21.08 | \amethyst | explody: that means "exit after any pipeline fails", use kill whatever || true |
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| 22:21.19 | explody | no I know, I just forgot about that |
| 22:21.29 | themill | Danielss89: the top table in the phpinfo output |
| 22:22.14 | explody | \amethyst: good catch, thanks |
| 22:22.23 | JordiGH | I don't understand something. OpenMOSIX is a kernel patch, right? But I can't find anything apt with the "mosix" string, but the "beowulf" string gives a bunch of things. Anyways, what I'm trying to ask is, how are you supposed to build a cluster with Debian? |
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| 22:22.39 | JordiGH | (Obviously, I have no idea what I'm asking, so please don't point this out any more than you have to.) |
| 22:22.51 | jelly-home | explody: some init scripts are dumb, they don't check of the pid is that command or some other, so you might want to check that before killing, too |
| 22:23.06 | jelly-home | s/of/if/ |
| 22:23.40 | explody | jelly-home: no worries here, it's my script, I just forgot I "set -e" |
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| 22:24.01 | jelly-home | ah, exit status != 0 -> dies |
| 22:24.15 | explody | yup |
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| 22:27.03 | themill | Danielss89: did you modify the stock /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini file? |
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| 22:27.11 | Danielss89 | themill stock? |
| 22:27.24 | themill | the one that was installed by default |
| 22:27.52 | Danielss89 | yes, i uncommented extension=mysql.so |
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| 22:28.37 | themill | Danielss89: ok, you shouldn't need to as the conf.d mechanism is supposed to take care of that for you. Do you have any other files in the conf.d directory? |
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| 22:29.21 | Danielss89 | yes theres loads of ini files themill... mcrypt, pdo, mysql, msql, mysqli |
| 22:29.24 | Danielss89 | and others |
| 22:30.10 | themill | hmmm it appears that only pdo.ini is being loaded, according to your phpinfo |
| 22:31.01 | Danielss89 | yeah.. |
| 22:31.07 | Danielss89 | thats weird? |
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| 22:31.14 | themill | very |
| 22:32.24 | Danielss89 | i tried: apt-get --purge remove apache2 php5 mysql(-client -server) php5-mysql and installed it again.. the same problem.. |
| 22:32.33 | Danielss89 | and it seems like its the same ini file.. |
| 22:33.03 | themill | what does the output of php -r "phpinfo();" |head -n20 |
| 22:33.50 | themill | Danielss89: (please put it in a pastebin) |
| 22:33.51 | john_titor | i just get the weirdest sound on debian ...... |
| 22:33.53 | Danielss89 | http://pastebin.ca/657547 themill |
| 22:33.58 | john_titor | sounds like a car motor or something |
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| 22:34.08 | Lacsi | hi |
| 22:34.14 | john_titor | i was not doing anything :S |
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| 22:35.37 | Danielss89 | shouldnt --purge remove all config files also? |
| 22:35.46 | themill | Danielss89: OK.... so at least the cli version of php is finding them all. How about php -r "mysql_connect();" |
| 22:36.04 | xored | how would i test and login to my imap serverr ( localy ) |
| 22:36.18 | Danielss89 | PHP Warning: Module 'json' already loaded in Unknown on line 0 |
| 22:36.18 | Danielss89 | PHP Warning: Module 'gd' already loaded in Unknown on line 0 |
| 22:36.18 | Danielss89 | PHP Warning: Module 'mysql' already loaded in Unknown on line 0 |
| 22:36.18 | Danielss89 | Warning: mysql_connect(): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) in Command line code on line 1 |
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| 22:36.24 | Danielss89 | sorry |
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| 22:37.17 | ldsjohn | anyone know how to get a debian box to send mail through an exchange server? I dont really want two mail servers and I just want the thing to send the logs it mails to root to my exchange box |
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| 22:37.24 | themill | Danielss89: the warnings are probably because you've loaded the modules twice -- once in the conf.d and once in the main php.ini |
| 22:37.33 | Danielss89 | yeah |
| 22:37.44 | lordrich | ldsjohn: use nullmailer and configure the exchange server as the smarthost |
| 22:37.49 | Danielss89 | themill if i do --purge shouldnt that remove all ini files also?? and config files? |
| 22:38.04 | \amethyst | Danielss89: any that were part of the package to begin with |
| 22:38.09 | themill | Danielss89: --purge should do, but php's ini files don't appear to be part of any package. I don't understand that. |
| 22:38.28 | Danielss89 | well the apache config files didnt get erased either |
| 22:38.34 | speaker219 | OOHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ELL OH ELL OH |
| 22:38.53 | ldsjohn | nullmailer looks like exactly what I wanted thanks a bunch |
| 22:39.03 | themill | Danielss89: the php ini files must come from a maintainer script. (grumble) |
| 22:39.20 | Danielss89 | themill what if i do a purge and delete them manually? |
| 22:39.26 | Danielss89 | maybe that would help.. |
| 22:39.57 | Danielss89 | OMG, i think i know now.. i think its a LAMP debian ive installed.. |
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| 22:40.08 | themill | that would certianly get you back to square 1. It shouldn't be necessary though... but it might be the easiest. |
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| 22:40.11 | themill | wtf? |
| 22:40.54 | themill | you mean on-debian packages (xampp or similar) |
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| 22:41.00 | Danielss89 | themill no its just a ordinary one.. |
| 22:42.21 | ldsjohn | lordrich: do you know how to make a user have an email address? like mail going to a local user be forwarded? nullmail made sendmail work but mail is still in the root box |
| 22:43.33 | john_titor | >:o |
| 22:44.01 | lordrich | ldsjohn: ' dpkg-reconfigure nullmailer' will let you forward all mail to a specific external address |
| 22:44.11 | themill | Danielss89: can you invoke-rc.d apache2 stop |
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| 22:44.44 | Danielss89 | Stopping web server (apache2)...grep: /etc/apache2/*: No such file or directory |
| 22:44.44 | Danielss89 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.44 | Danielss89 | invoke-rc.d: initscript apache2, action "stop" failed. |
| 22:45.04 | themill | Danielss89: have you uninstalled apache2? |
| 22:45.22 | xored | how would i test and login to my imap serverr ( localy ) |
| 22:45.48 | themill | can't mutt do imap logins? |
| 22:46.05 | Danielss89 | themill yes.. this is very weird.. apache2 is uninstalled right now.. |
| 22:46.15 | petemc | telnet localhost 143 |
| 22:46.20 | Danielss89 | but im still able to see the phpinfo page.. |
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| 22:46.34 | themill | Danielss89: yes. that was what I was testing out ;) |
| 22:46.43 | themill | netstat -np |
| 22:46.55 | lordrich | mutt -f imap://localhost |
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| 22:47.12 | Danielss89 | themill theres very many of these: unix 3 [ ] STREAM CONNECTED 5925 2494/master |
| 22:47.30 | themill | Danielss89: that's just postfix |
| 22:47.43 | Danielss89 | okey.. |
| 22:47.56 | Danielss89 | i cant see anything with apache |
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| 22:48.07 | themill | netstat -npt only shows tcp connections and not unix sockets |
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| 22:48.49 | Danielss89 | tcp6 0 0 ::ffff:82.103.140.25:22 ::ffff:87.62.95.8:54849 ESTABLISHED4149/0 <-- themill |
| 22:49.36 | \amethyst | Danielss89: that's ssh |
| 22:49.39 | themill | Danielss89: are you sure you're looking on the right box? you're not on a shared server or something are you? |
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| 22:50.41 | Danielss89 | OMFG |
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| 22:50.52 | Danielss89 | GOD DAMN THATS SOME GOD DAMN CRAP |
| 22:51.06 | \amethyst | did you just uninstall apache etc on the wrong computer ? |
| 22:51.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone please tell me what's gone wrong here? http://pastebin.ca/657562 |
| 22:51.17 | themill | Danielss89: neither of those two IP addresses were the ones that started the apache server. |
| 22:51.42 | Danielss89 | i just realised i deleted everything on my old server.. |
| 22:51.50 | john_titor | is there a good electronic schematic creator to install? |
| 22:51.56 | Danielss89 | the one i was moving from.. so a lot of things has just been deleted.. |
| 22:52.03 | themill | Danielss89: crap... |
| 22:52.14 | Danielss89 | Im so stupid... |
| 22:52.26 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: the specific error message was "error: ppy.tab.h: No such file or directory" |
| 22:52.29 | xored | how would i redirect all login "logs" of courier to a specific file ? |
| 22:52.40 | _pt_ | hi, can someone tell me how to solve the problem on /dev/dsp & /dev/audio permission denied when i log in as user? i have to manually set "chmod" to allow user to read/write anytime i log in. |
| 22:52.47 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: something went wrong with bison or lex |
| 22:52.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: Weird... it's the latest tarballed release from sourceforge |
| 22:52.53 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: probably bison |
| 22:52.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | bison or lex? |
| 22:53.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't know what either is |
| 22:53.16 | _pt_ | is there anything with udev init script? |
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| 22:53.29 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: lex (flex in GNU) is a lexical analyzer generator, yacc (bison in GNU) is a parser generator |
| 22:53.46 | themill | Danielss89: is it only the apache config that you've lost? or the rest of the web pages too? |
| 22:53.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | So how do I solve it? |
| 22:53.51 | Danielss89 | pheeww... luckily the mysql data wasnt deleted.. even though i did a --purge |
| 22:54.24 | themill | Danielss89: yes... you must have answered the debconf question the right way ;) |
| 22:54.24 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: what does dpkg -l bison\* | grep ^.i say? |
| 22:54.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | ii bison++ 1.21.11-3 Generate a parser in c or c++ from BNF notat |
| 22:54.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | ii bison-1.35 1.35-4.1 A parser generator that is compatible with Y |
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| 22:55.39 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: you have an old bison |
| 22:55.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst: [00:59] <neftune> Dark_Apostrophe, it might not like -j 3 <--from #winehq |
| 22:55.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | Dude, I'm using Debian Sid |
| 22:55.55 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: that could do it |
| 22:56.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | Strange |
| 22:56.21 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: yes, but bison-1.35 is an older version ... there are two versions of bison available in unstable |
| 22:56.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | Dual-core compilation should be doable :/ |
| 22:56.23 | Danielss89 | themill do you know how i can set the mysql root password? |
| 22:56.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst: Ok, thanks |
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| 22:56.48 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: The problem might be things happening out of order, and Make not fully understanding the relationship between bison's files |
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| 22:57.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | Alright |
| 22:57.12 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: But yeah, try it without -j3 and see if it works |
| 22:57.19 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: if not, try aptitude install bison |
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| 22:57.28 | _pt_ | hi, have you ever encounter the problem on /dev/dsp & /dev/audio permission denied when log in as user? i have to manually set "chmod" to allow user to read/write anytime i log in. |
| 22:57.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst: Already on it |
| 22:57.52 | \amethyst | _pt_: what are the permissions normally? |
| 22:57.53 | themill | !tell Danielss89 about mysql initial password |
| 22:58.03 | \amethyst | _pt_: I mean, before you chmod them |
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| 22:58.31 | _pt_ | \amethyst : only "r" |
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| 22:59.03 | \amethyst | _pt_: cr--r----- root audio ? |
| 22:59.56 | snowbird | hey streuner hey |
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| 23:00.24 | brett | hi, I have a old machine I just turned on that was pointed at unstable... |
| 23:00.34 | snowbird | what os |
| 23:00.38 | brett | how can I see what archive it should be pointing at? |
| 23:00.39 | _pt_ | \amethyst : sorry, it is crw-rw---- . i guess i know why....perhaps, i need to add myself as an audio group...thanks! |
| 23:00.40 | brett | debian |
| 23:00.57 | brett | as unstable has moved several times now... |
| 23:00.58 | \amethyst | _pt_: yes, you need to be in group audio... adduser username audio |
| 23:01.12 | themill | brett: look at the libc6 version |
| 23:01.13 | \amethyst | _pt_: then log out and back in, and that should give you access |
| 23:01.41 | themill | brett: apt-cache policy libc6|grep Ins |
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| 23:01.48 | snowbird | cool how fst is pc? |
| 23:02.00 | brett | well dpkg -l libc6 shows 2.3.6-16 |
| 23:02.02 | _pt_ | \amethyst : many thanks for point it out. |
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| 23:03.25 | brett | themill: so, unstable still? |
| 23:03.36 | brett | Or stable? |
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| 23:04.47 | themill | brett: that's a Jul 2006 version so you should be able to dist-upgrade to etch, i guess. |
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| 23:05.04 | brett | themill: how'd you figure that out? |
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| 23:05.31 | themill | brett: looked through /usr/share/doc/libc6/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 23:05.32 | p_masho | am trying to set up postfix (virgin), and curious what this alias is at the end of /etc/aliases ? uxxxx ? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/184328 |
| 23:05.42 | brett | themill: ahh didn't think of that, cool |
| 23:05.51 | brett | so just 'apt-get dist-upgrade?' |
| 23:05.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst: http://image.bayimg.com/gafemaabk.jpg <-- Weird |
| 23:06.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | Compiling without -j 3 didn't help |
| 23:06.22 | themill | brett: aptitude. Actually, you might want to take a glance a the sarge->lenny upgrade instructions as some of them might apply to you. |
| 23:06.30 | themill | !tell brett about sarge>etch |
| 23:06.52 | ldsjohn | lordrich: hey, if your still here maybe youknow this error, when I run nullmailer it seams to work but it says send process crashed or was killed |
| 23:06.54 | themill | brett: (I obviously meant sarge->etch not sarge->lenny... skipping releases is a definite no-no) |
| 23:07.05 | themill | !tell brett about sarge->etch |
| 23:07.47 | themill | hmmm... that factoid has the wrong url in it |
| 23:08.15 | lordrich | ldsjohn: not seen that one before, don't know what to suggest |
| 23:08.31 | ldsjohn | google isn't much help either, nullmailer doesn't seam to be widely documented |
| 23:08.36 | themill | brett: sarge->etch release notes are at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/releasenotes |
| 23:09.23 | themill | bollox... now I'm talking complete shit. |
| 23:09.43 | themill | brett: just believe what dpkg told you.... dpkg isn't tired, but I am! |
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| 23:10.18 | snowbird | themill u need pillow and kat |
| 23:10.29 | databuddy | ok thoughts on swap? |
| 23:10.31 | themill | ldsjohn: is that or was that your login name when you isntalled it? |
| 23:10.41 | databuddy | ive got 2 gigs memory and ive yet to see swap use more than 32MB |
| 23:10.51 | ldsjohn | installed what? |
| 23:11.00 | databuddy | Swap: 1951856k total, 33980k used, 1917876k free, 1252196k cached << @_@ |
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| 23:11.16 | ldsjohn | ldsjohn is and has been my login name for many things if thats what your asking |
| 23:11.18 | themill | ldsjohn: sorry.. not for you |
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| 23:12.17 | themill | p_masho: the default install would put root: your_username in /etc/aliases. Was the username uxxxx at some stage? |
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| 23:13.05 | p_masho | themill: no.. thats why me worried ;-R |
| 23:13.55 | themill | p_masho: or do you use non-ascii characters in your username? |
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| 23:15.18 | enveezee | are there command line or web based utilities for acquiring images from a sane source? |
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| 23:16.54 | enveezee | hmm I think scanadf is what I am looking for in the sane package :P |
| 23:17.25 | enveezee | this scanner appears to have an adf.. and I just learned another useless acronym |
| 23:17.36 | ldsjohn | aha I figured out my problem, I love when the source code is so well commented :-D |
| 23:17.54 | enveezee | ldsjohn: grep fuck /usr/src/linux :P |
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| 23:18.01 | enveezee | best comments are in the kernel |
| 23:18.03 | ldsjohn | um that sounds fun |
| 23:18.17 | lordrich | so what was the problem then? |
| 23:18.22 | ldsjohn | I figured out by looking in nullmailer source that my error ment that I wasn't sending the right options |
| 23:18.24 | enveezee | last I checked it appears like 50+ times |
| 23:18.30 | ldsjohn | nullmailer runs a program called smtp |
| 23:18.41 | ldsjohn | and passes options, if it returns anything but success it spits me a stupid error |
| 23:18.52 | ldsjohn | so I got that program to connect to my server and now everything works |
| 23:19.07 | ldsjohn | well except I can't get it to send me the old sendmail queue |
| 23:19.36 | themill | enveezee: include/linux/netfilter/xt_limit.h has the best one, I think... |
| 23:19.59 | xlotlu | it has the only one.. |
| 23:20.34 | themill | xlotlu: look in the source not the headers |
| 23:21.15 | enveezee | hmm appears the flatbed and adf are seperate scanners |
| 23:21.16 | xlotlu | themill: thought by some magic they cleaned up all the comments |
| 23:21.22 | enveezee | great.. |
| 23:21.27 | xlotlu | i just didn't have the kernel sources on this machine :) |
| 23:21.30 | enveezee | this is more complicated than I thought :P |
| 23:22.02 | themill | enveezee: for the record, 45 times in the 2.6.22 kernel from debian linux-source |
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| 23:22.41 | enveezee | and I'm trying to make it happen remotely at that |
| 23:23.09 | enveezee | from windows vista, cause the damn vista doesnt support the scanner but sane does |
| 23:23.13 | themill | oh, and don't grep for fsck as that's even more interesting... e2fsck isn't the only use of that by a long way. |
| 23:23.54 | themill | anyway, on that note... good night all! |
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| 23:24.24 | exs | I've worked with a project called Wubi (Windows ubuntu installer) and basically, it creates a large file on your harddisk, and uses it for its "partition". is there any such thing for linux - with windows running on a single file from a linux partition? |
| 23:24.49 | enveezee | exs: vmware workstation |
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| 23:26.13 | enveezee | vmware player is free of cost if you can find a windows image or make one with vmware workstation |
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| 23:28.57 | ldsjohn | wow, big mistake I just made |
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| 23:29.05 | ldsjohn | 3 months of mail are now dumping into my exchange server |
| 23:29.18 | ldsjohn | like 4k messages |
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| 23:30.51 | ofer | ldsjohn, that's like 45 mails a day |
| 23:31.14 | ldsjohn | well its more than 3 months I think |
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| 23:31.32 | brett | themill: hrm apt won't let me install aptitude |
| 23:31.40 | ldsjohn | looks like 6 messages get sent every morning |
| 23:31.59 | ldsjohn | but the mailer daemon thing has been generating 4 failed to send messages for each message |
| 23:32.00 | ofer | I'm sending about 20-30 mails a day |
| 23:32.02 | ldsjohn | and they are all dumping in |
| 23:32.03 | ofer | and gets much more |
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| 23:42.59 | dseomn | does anybody know how to configure exim to use a ssmtp smarthost on port 465 (the default ssmtp port)? |
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| 23:43.33 | dseomn | I tried putting smarthost:465 in the debconf prompt but it didn't seem to work |
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| 23:47.56 | petemc | dseomn: i should imagine you need to use an option like port = 465 on the transport used to deliver to the smarthost |
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| 23:49.27 | FuzzyB | how do i set the output of hostname -d, hostname -s, hostname -f to say something other then unknown host. I setup /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts and it's still not listing |
| 23:49.45 | petemc | FuzzyB: what did you put in /etc/hosts ? |
| 23:49.57 | FuzzyB | the fqdn |
| 23:50.03 | FuzzyB | dtc-host-1.pdx-1.fb.lan |
| 23:50.07 | petemc | thats it? |
| 23:50.08 | FuzzyB | whch can be resolved |
| 23:50.11 | FuzzyB | yea |
| 23:50.18 | petemc | you just kinda guessing what to do? |
| 23:50.25 | dseomn | petemc: thanks |
| 23:50.26 | FuzzyB | no |
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| 23:50.38 | FuzzyB | i thought you just put the fqdn in there and it figured out the rest |
| 23:51.06 | FuzzyB | err |
| 23:51.07 | FuzzyB | not |
| 23:51.10 | FuzzyB | that's not what i put in there |
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| 23:51.27 | petemc | use "ip dtc-host-1.pdx-1.fb.lan dtc-host-1" |
| 23:51.28 | FuzzyB | i thought you meant /etc/hostname |
| 23:52.17 | bartma1 | Hi all, I begin with the instalation of Debian on Netra 240 but in the doc comment that the first install not support SMP, does any one know a good manual for recompile the Kernel for Sparc for users that this dont supouse to do ;) ??? |
| 23:52.45 | FuzzyB | yea that's what i had, seems i had a typo in the ip |
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