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| 00:01.03 | enveezee | well I was just about to have to leave cause I was ready to beat this scanner up.. but then I realized its pretty simple really I just have to tell it to use the adf or the flatbed |
| 00:01.20 | enveezee | the flatbed seems broken.. makes a horrible noise.. |
| 00:02.22 | georgy28 | enveezee, : maybe locked ? |
| 00:02.30 | enveezee | hmm.. I hope not.. haha |
| 00:02.39 | enveezee | cause I didn't think to check if it had a lock |
| 00:02.59 | georgy28 | enveezee, : check it |
| 00:03.03 | enveezee | that scanadf program seems to work beautifully |
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| 00:03.15 | enveezee | it moves, it just stutters at the beginning and again when it comes back |
| 00:03.25 | georgy28 | ok |
| 00:03.28 | enveezee | I don't see any locks on it |
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| 00:06.06 | enveezee | oh well I'm done here.. I'm not doing anything more without the secretary here.. last thing I need is to hack up a damn scanner frontend she doesnt understand |
| 00:06.36 | Spyro_boy | ... |
| 00:07.00 | enveezee | This scsi scanner isn't supported on the new vista system, so I have to put it on linux and its got both an adf scanner and a flatbed, and we need to be able to make images, ocr to like word document format and also pdf |
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| 00:07.40 | enveezee | so I gotta make some web-based interface or something I guess she can use from vista and have the server do everything else and share the finished documents via samba |
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| 00:09.25 | enveezee | I swear I am considering making them switch to debian but I don't want to have to take over more than I'm being paid for.. |
| 00:09.33 | sbuhj_99 | hey guys. is lenny "stable" |
| 00:09.36 | enveezee | let quickbooks tech support and shit keep doing their jobs |
| 00:09.37 | enveezee | heh |
| 00:10.17 | enveezee | so I guess I just have to make the server do what windows can't/won't and deal with having windows boxes keep the not my problem stance |
| 00:10.20 | sbuhj_99 | i have etch now, is lenny any better? |
| 00:10.29 | enveezee | !sns syndrome |
| 00:10.29 | dpkg | well, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
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| 00:11.22 | krazykit | i think sns hits digg more than slashdot now. |
| 00:11.27 | enveezee | heh |
| 00:11.32 | enveezee | I wrote that a while back |
| 00:11.37 | krazykit | need to fix that factoid |
| 00:11.42 | enveezee | !factinfo sns syndrome |
| 00:11.42 | dpkg | sns syndrome -- created by nvz <n=nvz@c-24-3-200-17.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> at Tue Sep 13 06:27:10 2005 (700 days); it has been requested 64 times, last by enveezee, 1m 13s ago. |
| 00:12.01 | enveezee | oh well I'm getting out of here |
| 00:12.12 | atealtha | hey guys I just upgraded to lenny and now Nvidia's drivers aren't working. Do I need to use the legacy packages? |
| 00:12.24 | krazykit | atealtha, depends on your video card |
| 00:12.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me solve this compilation issue? |
| 00:12.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://pastebin.ca/657642 |
| 00:13.24 | atealtha | krazykit: the error logs mention 'paravirt_ops |
| 00:13.50 | atealtha | GPL-incompatible blah uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops' |
| 00:14.09 | atealtha | blah="module nvidia.ko" |
| 00:14.15 | krazykit | atealtha, oh, this was an issue in 2.6.21, iirc. i thought it was fixed in 2.6.22, but i dunno where lenny is right now |
| 00:14.25 | krazykit | atealtha, but i KNOW it's been fixed in the most recent kernel |
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| 00:14.44 | atealtha | I'm still at 21. is 22+ in experimental? |
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| 00:16.02 | georgy28 | krazykit, : error: ppy.tab.h: No such file or directory |
| 00:16.26 | krazykit | atealtha, 22 is in sid. |
| 00:16.50 | krazykit | georgy28, uh, ok. |
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| 00:17.39 | atealtha | krazykit: thanks |
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| 00:20.43 | AloBlumenau | how I install mod_rewrite of apache? |
| 00:20.51 | AloBlumenau | kubutun 7.0.4 |
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| 00:21.03 | krazykit | !tell AloBlumenau about ubuntu |
| 00:21.06 | abrotman | AloBlumenau: ask #kubuntu |
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| 00:24.00 | NerveBand | um, how do I scroll up in the command prompt with the keyboard? |
| 00:24.45 | NerveBand | ? |
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| 00:25.22 | georgy28 | NerveBand, : shift + pgup , shift+pgdown |
| 00:25.45 | NerveBand | thanks! |
| 00:25.48 | NerveBand | that worked |
| 00:25.56 | georgy28 | np :) |
| 00:26.19 | NerveBand | wow |
| 00:26.24 | NerveBand | i used linux for 4 years now |
| 00:26.26 | NerveBand | and i never knew that |
| 00:26.27 | NerveBand | until now... |
| 00:26.48 | georgy28 | with linux, you learn every day ... |
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| 00:27.10 | NerveBand | also, if i install xfce on a barebones with apt-get install xfce4, will it auto install X.org if i don't have it? |
| 00:27.16 | NerveBand | or do i need to install it seperatly? |
| 00:27.36 | georgy28 | good question.. |
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| 00:27.55 | NerveBand | see, im installing debian on a ibook G3, 500mhz, 256mb |
| 00:28.00 | NerveBand | mac os x sucks on it |
| 00:28.05 | NerveBand | and i know debian is reliable |
| 00:28.20 | NerveBand | i went barebones |
| 00:28.27 | NerveBand | and i thought i could i could apt-get it |
| 00:28.38 | NerveBand | i really don't want gnome or kde because that will slow to a crawl |
| 00:28.44 | NerveBand | and i don't know what command to use for flux |
| 00:28.47 | NerveBand | installation |
| 00:28.48 | NerveBand | so yeah |
| 00:30.07 | krazykit | NerveBand, aptitude install fluxbox? |
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| 00:30.18 | NerveBand | ah |
| 00:30.21 | NerveBand | i didnt think about aptitude |
| 00:30.23 | NerveBand | i use apt-get so yeah |
| 00:30.37 | krazykit | apt-get install, then |
| 00:30.39 | NerveBand | um no |
| 00:30.41 | NerveBand | that didn't work |
| 00:30.56 | abrotman | sources |
| 00:30.56 | NerveBand | i get couldn't find package |
| 00:30.56 | NerveBand | let me see my source list |
| 00:31.30 | NerveBand | o.0, i only have a cdrom and the security list |
| 00:31.33 | NerveBand | im using lenny |
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| 00:31.37 | NerveBand | for some weird reason |
| 00:31.39 | abrotman | !sources.list |
| 00:31.40 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 00:31.47 | cwheeler | hi i can't remember the new name of cdrecord |
| 00:31.51 | NerveBand | thanks |
| 00:31.57 | abrotman | wodim |
| 00:32.01 | cwheeler | thanks |
| 00:32.16 | georgy28 | but you have to install xorg separatly |
| 00:32.42 | abrotman | NerveBand: and you can comment out the cd line if you want |
| 00:33.15 | NerveBand | eh the cd line helps |
| 00:33.19 | NerveBand | so yeah |
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| 00:33.32 | NerveBand | um which is better? aptitude or apt-get |
| 00:33.36 | NerveBand | what is the difference anyways? |
| 00:33.37 | abrotman | aptitude |
| 00:33.38 | NerveBand | it makes no sense |
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| 00:33.42 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 00:33.43 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 00:33.52 | NerveBand | thanks so much! |
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| 00:34.00 | NerveBand | man #debian is awesome |
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| 00:35.11 | NerveBand | wow, flux is extremely light, at 15 mb, its a steal |
| 00:35.17 | NerveBand | it will run beautifully on my ibook ^_^ |
| 00:35.23 | atealtha | I have sid in my apt sources but would like it to default to lenny unless specified. This was the default behavior with etch/backports so I never messed with conf. Where would I go to learn how to do this? |
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| 00:35.59 | NerveBand | edit the /etc/apt/sources.list and change all the sid apt sources to lenny |
| 00:36.11 | NerveBand | then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 00:36.17 | NerveBand | then you will have all the backports |
| 00:36.23 | NerveBand | and will stay with lenny |
| 00:36.40 | atealtha | nono, I want sid there, just so I'm able to install sid packages when I want, and have it default to lenny |
| 00:36.55 | atealtha | would get annoying to change sources just to add a package |
| 00:36.57 | abrotman | !tell atealtha about pinning |
| 00:37.12 | NerveBand | !tell NerveBand about pinning |
| 00:37.19 | atealtha | thanks |
| 00:37.44 | NerveBand | oh sorry |
| 00:37.48 | abrotman | it's okay .. |
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| 00:42.40 | NerveBand | whats the point of having signatures on packages? |
| 00:43.06 | abrotman | what's the point of signing anything |
| 00:43.22 | NerveBand | well, for confirmation that its you i guess |
| 00:43.27 | NerveBand | but why would packages need that |
| 00:43.39 | NerveBand | i mean like if they are put on debian.org |
| 00:43.41 | NerveBand | and mirrors |
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| 00:43.48 | dondelelcaro | NerveBand: so you trust your DNS do you? |
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| 00:43.52 | abrotman | hopefully to make sure the server hasn't been compromised and evil binaries put in place of the packages you want |
| 00:44.03 | abrotman | i would guess anyways |
| 00:44.12 | NerveBand | i guess. |
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| 00:48.18 | stoned | what? lol |
| 00:49.26 | dondelelcaro | since it's rather trivial to hijack DNS requests by compromising a server or just plain packet injection, having signed Packages.gz are kind of important. |
| 00:49.49 | dondelelcaro | it's also how we know that the person uploading a package is a developer (or at least, in control of the developer's GPG keys) |
| 00:49.51 | karsten | abrotman: Autograph collectors. |
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| 01:03.12 | semprix | hello guys i need help setting this sound card |
| 01:03.13 | semprix | 00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2) driver for debian etch |
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| 01:04.38 | kanzure | How do I mount my DVD drive if no /dev/dvd appears? |
| 01:05.09 | semprix | kanzure, check cat /proc/mounts |
| 01:05.38 | kanzure | semprix: blank |
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| 01:05.56 | kanzure | semprix: ah, wait |
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| 01:06.14 | kanzure | yeah, nothing that looks like it would be it |
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| 01:11.42 | d0t-bat | Anyone know much about bcrelay? (broadcast relayer) |
| 01:12.44 | atealtha | even though my sources file uses "lenny" and "sid", when I use the -t flag I have to use "testing" and "unstable"? |
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| 01:14.09 | abrotman | kanzure: is it listed in dmesg ? |
| 01:14.24 | kanzure | abrotman: Ah, I found it hidden in /media/ :) |
| 01:14.28 | abrotman | atealtha: is that what your preferences file says ? |
| 01:14.30 | kanzure | and cleverly disguised as 'cdrom' |
| 01:15.02 | atealtha | abrotman: my preference file uses "testing" and "unstable" although I tried with lenny and etch. doesn't matter what my sources say? |
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| 01:18.51 | xored | is there no openldap under debian ? |
| 01:19.04 | abrotman | !info slapd etch |
| 01:19.08 | dpkg | slapd: (OpenLDAP server (slapd)), section net, is optional. Version: 2.3.30-5 (etch), Packaged size: 1146 kB, Installed size: 3100 kB |
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| 01:19.22 | abrotman | apt-cache search openldap would have told you that :) |
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| 01:19.38 | xored | abrotman: oh sorry, thank you |
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| 01:20.14 | jonathan_ | hey gparted gives me this error: "cannot mount volume, error org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.PermissionDeniedbyPolicy", anyone know why? hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000 |
| 01:20.18 | jonathan_ | ...even as root |
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| 01:22.20 | CWnut | I need help understanding where to put a ham radio start script or command such as "kissattach" for the AX25 ham radio protocols, I need it to start on every boot. I cannot find an rc.local file to put it in. |
| 01:22.52 | FloydFan | I'm having problems installing ubuntu and since it uses the debian installer is this a good place to ask questions? |
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| 01:23.56 | jonathan_ | NO |
| 01:24.15 | Dewi | abrotman! you're alive! |
| 01:24.21 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:24.27 | abrotman | FloydFan: ask #ubuntu |
| 01:24.36 | semprix | abrotman |
| 01:24.39 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 01:24.39 | semprix | im really stuck |
| 01:24.39 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot |
| 01:24.44 | abrotman | CWnut: ^^ |
| 01:24.54 | FloydFan | abortman: no luck there... |
| 01:25.01 | semprix | when i modprobe snd-hda-intel |
| 01:25.02 | abrotman | FloydFan: that's where you should ask .. not here |
| 01:25.16 | semprix | its loaded but playing something isnt working |
| 01:25.22 | Dewi | FloydFan: #ubuntu is as massive channel these days. Are you sure nobody could help? |
| 01:25.24 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 01:25.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 01:25.25 | Dewi | -s |
| 01:25.35 | FloydFan | figured... just wondering if I could troubleshoot my problem owell |
| 01:26.16 | FloydFan | Dewl: I have seemed to have stumped them or just asking questions at the wrong times |
| 01:27.10 | abrotman | drewl! |
| 01:27.41 | semprix | abrotman, i dont think that'll heko |
| 01:27.42 | abrotman | FloydFan: so wait a bit .. ask again |
| 01:27.43 | semprix | help |
| 01:27.45 | semprix | :( |
| 01:27.46 | FloydFan | lol dewi sorry |
| 01:27.49 | abrotman | semprix: why won't it ? |
| 01:28.03 | semprix | fluffy:/etc# modprobe snd-hda-intel |
| 01:28.12 | semprix | ok its loaded |
| 01:28.26 | semprix | but alsamixer complains no such device |
| 01:28.41 | FloydFan | abrotman: yah i know impatient these days and i seem like I'm nagging.. |
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| 01:29.03 | abrotman | FloydFan: did you browse the list of ubuntu channels .. there might be an installer channel |
| 01:29.16 | abrotman | semprix: well .. if you know what will and will not fix it .. what do you need us for ? |
| 01:29.19 | semprix | and alsaconf will throw something like No PnP or PCI card found |
| 01:29.38 | FloydFan | abrotman: no i didnt,,, hmm Il see i dont belive there is |
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| 01:30.00 | CWnut | thanks dpkg, I really have to use my raw log more. |
| 01:30.01 | dpkg | CWnut: de rien |
| 01:30.13 | abrotman | semprix: okay .. then did you ask #alsa if the version of alsa you have supports your device ? |
| 01:30.29 | semprix | its a ghost town out there |
| 01:30.35 | semprix | i think all are dead |
| 01:31.10 | CWnut | Are there any command line chat clients? |
| 01:31.29 | semprix | CWnut, irssi |
| 01:31.30 | abrotman | irssi |
| 01:31.58 | edju | Compiling the kernel, needed libqt3-mt-dev for make xconfig. apt-get showed a crapload of -dev libs to install. Why? Is there some way to just get the one I want? What can cupsys-dev have to do w/ this, e.g? |
| 01:32.08 | FloydFan | abrotman: ha #ubuntu-installer didnt know it exsisted thanks |
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| 01:32.14 | CWnut | sorry, irssi? Oh, is that the utility? |
| 01:32.26 | semprix | CWnut, its an irssi client |
| 01:32.27 | abrotman | !info irssi etch |
| 01:32.29 | dpkg | irssi: (terminal based IRC client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.10-2 (etch), Packaged size: 1035 kB, Installed size: 2800 kB |
| 01:32.32 | soothsayer | Can anyone tell me how to securely configure snmpd to return network interface statistics, CPU load and disk space? |
| 01:32.33 | Tidus | irssi is a irc client |
| 01:32.58 | ix | irssi <3 |
| 01:33.00 | CWnut | thank you kindly, I will apt-get it thanks |
| 01:33.12 | pipeline | soothsayer: There's not really any configuration to do. Just set your community strings and off you go. |
| 01:33.13 | Tidus | ix: i like irssi so much i use it in windows as well lol |
| 01:33.15 | jonathan_ | ubuntu is such a shameless rip of debian |
| 01:33.22 | pipeline | soothsayer: Unfortunately, SNMP is inherently insecure: everything is plaintext. |
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| 01:34.28 | soothsayer | pipeline: I think the echelons of security are a little more involved than you let on. v3 ACLs, read-write vs read-only, ... etc |
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| 01:35.50 | ozzilee | Hey all, I'm setting up a home file server, and I've always wondered where people put their samba shares (other than their home directory). Somewhere in /var ? |
| 01:35.59 | soothsayer | pipeline: In any case, "snmpget -v 1 -c public -Oqv localhost IF-MIB::ifMIB" returns "no such name". What am I supposed be looking for? |
| 01:36.06 | pipeline | soothsayer: hahahahah, have fun. None of that shit is widely supported :D |
| 01:36.16 | pipeline | soothsayer: The lowest common denominator is 80s tripe :\ |
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| 01:36.32 | Dewi | ozzilee: I like /srv |
| 01:36.40 | pipeline | soothsayer: just snmpwalk, look at the whole host. No reason to depend upon a particular MIB |
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| 01:36.42 | Dewi | ozzilee: because it's a service and it's a nice empty place |
| 01:36.43 | soothsayer | pipeline: It's just for monitoring my own remote debian box |
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| 01:37.13 | Dewi | ozzilee: er I mean, because /srv is a nice empty place, and what you're doing is more or less rigging up a service |
| 01:37.21 | ozzilee | Dewi: So, for instance /srv/samba/<ShareName> ? |
| 01:37.25 | Dewi | ozzilee: that said I do all my samba through home directories, and symlink other stuff in |
| 01:37.29 | pipeline | soothsayer: run snmpd bound to 127.0.0.1, run nagios and check_snmp against localhost. *shrug* |
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| 01:37.43 | Dewi | ozzilee: but if you don't like home dirs go for /srv I reckon |
| 01:38.21 | pipeline | ozzilee: I've always used /export/ *shrug* |
| 01:38.59 | Tidus | ozzilee: i normally use /storage/<machine name> |
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| 01:39.33 | snowbird | some reason pc started in gnome |
| 01:39.46 | snowbird | looked like someting wrong with network |
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| 01:40.33 | ozzilee | Ok, thanks all, I'll go with srv for now. It sounds like it won't make a whole lot of difference for a small home server anyway. |
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| 01:42.02 | Dewi | ozzilee: as you add more disks you will end up needing other mount points anyway, so use of symlinks becomes more and more handy to keep the structure simple |
| 01:42.33 | ozzilee | Dewi: I'll keep that in mind, thanks. |
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| 01:43.52 | stoned | pipeline: hi |
| 01:44.06 | stoned | Snake-eyes: did you ever figure out your sound card issue? |
| 01:44.13 | stoned | nm |
| 01:44.18 | stoned | I meant snowbird he is not here anymore |
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| 01:49.14 | Snake-eyes | :P |
| 01:50.22 | YGingras | is there a way to password protect a file? I don't wan't to use GPG, I'd prefer something self contained. The file is fairly large so it's OK if the scheme append a key or something to the file. |
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| 01:51.09 | YGingras | I guess GPG would work if I make the key travel with the file. Something symetric would be great, many persons might need to read the file |
| 01:51.13 | glguy | is there a better way than ifdown eth1; ifup eth1 to get dhclient to request a new lease? |
| 01:51.36 | YGingras | glguy: you can just call dhclient can't you? |
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| 01:51.50 | digitalfox | how do I use a -jX option with dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 01:52.07 | glguy | YGingras: if it is already running in the background, calling it again will signal it to renew? |
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| 01:53.33 | YGingras | glguy: I do it for my ISP, I call dhclient when things get sluggish. It do a network query but I sometimes get the same lease again, that's something for the dhcp server to decide |
| 01:53.57 | glguy | YGingras: my specific case is that I have debian running in a vmware instance on a laptop |
| 01:54.04 | glguy | when I take the laptop to a new wireless network |
| 01:54.13 | glguy | I need to instruct debian to request a new address |
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| 01:54.26 | abrotman | you could /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 01:54.39 | snowbird | must of had power spike at supper time |
| 01:54.39 | YGingras | glguy: calling dhclient from the command line should work |
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| 01:59.48 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
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| 02:01.01 | x_link | How can I see which networkcard I got in my computer? |
| 02:01.07 | dondelelcaro | x_link: lspci |
| 02:01.18 | x_link | ok |
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| 02:02.12 | x_link | dondelelcaro: Okej, thanks! |
| 02:03.23 | eimajenthat | is there a command I can issue from the prompt to minimize all my windows, and show the desktop? |
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| 02:04.07 | x_link | eimajenthat: Using KDE? |
| 02:04.30 | stoned | x_link: did you ever find the ram mhz? |
| 02:04.39 | stoned | x_link: you can simply go into your bios to check that you know |
| 02:04.41 | x_link | stoned: No =/ |
| 02:04.53 | x_link | stoned: When I go to BIOS and check it always says 667MHz |
| 02:05.02 | x_link | Even when I overclocked. |
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| 02:05.16 | stoned | lshw |grep mem might have some info |
| 02:05.17 | stoned | maybe |
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| 02:07.40 | Supaplex | how am I suppose to specify files+paths so they appear as such on the dvd? They all live in / :( |
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| 02:07.43 | eimajenthat | x_link, no, openbox |
| 02:07.46 | stoned | x_link: the only thing I can suggest is to download a windows live cd, like hiren's boot cd, or MINI PE -- they have tools like cpuz and other sysinfo tools like Everest that might display all the accurate info |
| 02:07.57 | max____ | hi, I want to migrate a 64bit system (etch) to a 32bit one (also etch). I planned to debootstrap a 32bit system on a swap partition, to reboot on it and to set up the hard drives / system completely new - would that work? ;) |
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| 02:08.44 | x_link | stoned: I downloaded CPU-Z and tried to run it via wine, but it didn't work. |
| 02:08.55 | krazykit | of course not |
| 02:08.58 | Supaplex | I doubt cpu-z works in wine. :P |
| 02:09.06 | x_link | I got CPU-Z up and running, but I got an error that said that all info wouldn't be showed. |
| 02:09.07 | Supaplex | try hwinfo |
| 02:09.09 | x_link | Why? |
| 02:09.10 | stoned | Supaplex: how can one get RAM MHz info |
| 02:09.18 | x_link | stoned: hwinfo doesn't show. |
| 02:09.21 | stoned | Supaplex: I couldn't find anything in hwinfo or lshw |
| 02:09.26 | x_link | krazykit: Why shouldn't it work? |
| 02:09.31 | x_link | I'm a newb so I want to know |
| 02:09.33 | snowbird | i guess i had break in |
| 02:09.33 | tsocks | stoned: free |
| 02:09.38 | Supaplex | *decode* (I forget) |
| 02:09.46 | x_link | I thought you used wine to run windows files? |
| 02:09.51 | stoned | tsocks: which switch? |
| 02:09.56 | krazykit | x_link, cpu-z probably hooks into functions that wine doesn't implement |
| 02:10.03 | tsocks | stoned: sorry .. |
| 02:10.09 | stoned | ? |
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| 02:10.21 | Supaplex | !dmidecode |
| 02:10.30 | Supaplex | !+info dmidecode |
| 02:10.31 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 02:10.36 | x_link | krazykit: OKej. |
| 02:10.41 | x_link | dmidecode doesn't show either. |
| 02:10.43 | dpkg | dmidecode: (Dump Desktop Management Interface data), section utils, is important. Version: 2.9-1 (sid), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 168 kB |
| 02:11.22 | Supaplex | memtest86+ ? |
| 02:11.33 | x_link | I didn't chedk. |
| 02:11.39 | Supaplex | eg, direct, not under linux. |
| 02:11.56 | x_link | I set my RAM to 667Mhz in BIOS then I overclocked my FSB. So I want to know the current Mhz of the RAM. |
| 02:12.00 | x_link | Supaplex: What? |
| 02:12.48 | Supaplex | x_link: try memtest86+ directly from your bootloader. that's the only other thing I can think of |
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| 02:13.00 | x_link | Supaplex: You mean to put in the cd? |
| 02:13.13 | Supaplex | it's tiny. boot it from anything |
| 02:13.23 | x_link | I already have it on a CD. |
| 02:13.26 | x_link | I will try it tomorrow. |
| 02:13.29 | x_link | Supaplex: Thanks alot! |
| 02:13.38 | x_link | Must go to bed now, it's 04:13 here now =/ |
| 02:13.43 | x_link | Good night! |
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| 02:13.48 | Supaplex | sounds like a x_link issue. ;) |
| 02:13.56 | stoned | heh |
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| 02:14.01 | stoned | Supaplex: msg |
| 02:14.03 | Supaplex | apt-get install nanna ;) |
| 02:14.11 | Supaplex | stoned: sure |
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| 02:17.20 | jetscreamer | shhhhh |
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| 02:17.47 | k-man | hi guys |
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| 02:18.04 | k-man | which install should I get to install software raid on sata drives? |
| 02:18.44 | jetscreamer | any if you mean installation medium |
| 02:18.53 | k-man | yeah |
| 02:18.55 | k-man | i do |
| 02:19.28 | jetscreamer | i don't know how or what you need to do, but any |
| 02:19.46 | k-man | this sounds hopefu |
| 02:19.47 | k-man | l |
| 02:19.49 | k-man | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2007/20070720 |
| 02:20.29 | k-man | oh |
| 02:20.34 | k-man | it all sounds a bit bleeding edge |
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| 02:20.48 | k-man | i have 2 drives, I want to use them in a raid 1 software array |
| 02:21.01 | k-man | should I just install on one drive then make the raid1 array afterwards? |
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| 02:21.27 | dondelelcaro | k-man: easy enough to just make it raid1 initially. |
| 02:21.33 | dondelelcaro | k-man: if it doesn't work, then you can go the other route |
| 02:21.37 | k-man | dondelelcaro: is it? ok |
| 02:21.40 | stoned | jetscreamer: whats up |
| 02:21.46 | k-man | dondelelcaro: so just do a normal netinst? |
| 02:21.53 | jetscreamer | food |
| 02:21.57 | stoned | good |
| 02:22.02 | stoned | im trying to do the moon ;) |
| 02:22.05 | dondelelcaro | k-man: with a recent daily, yes. |
| 02:22.31 | k-man | where are the daily builds kept? |
| 02:22.47 | jetscreamer | !d-i |
| 02:22.47 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 02:23.02 | jetscreamer | last link |
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| 02:23.36 | k-man | oh.. should i go 64 bit? |
| 02:23.41 | k-man | its an amd |
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| 02:23.57 | k-man | athlonx2 |
| 02:24.07 | krazykit | it's your call, really |
| 02:24.45 | k-man | im going to try 64bit |
| 02:24.50 | k-man | it sounds very appealing for some reason |
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| 02:27.09 | Rykoshet | I'm trying to install Irssi, and after installing glib and pkg-config, when I try to install irssi it tells me it needs glib, and to link GLIB_CONFIG to the glib dir, even though I set it up |
| 02:27.58 | Rykoshet | GLIB_CONFIG=/glib directory/, then export GLIB_CONFIG, then apt-get update |
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| 02:31.51 | semprix | !info alsa |
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| 02:32.50 | YGingras | is there a way to tell rsync to encrypt the files? I'm considering uploading a backup to a remote host that I don't really trust. I have local backups with rsnapshots so a lot of space is saved by using hardlinks and I'd like to keep hardlinks on the remote host while encrypting the whole thing |
| 02:33.37 | abrotman | you can rsync over ssh |
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| 02:34.13 | abrotman | Rykoshet: how about aptitude install irssi ? |
| 02:34.37 | YGingras | abrotman: I want the files to be stored encrypted, not just while transfering |
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| 02:36.51 | abrotman | YGingras: so store them on an encrpyted filesystem ? |
| 02:37.02 | abrotman | !tell iarc_a about root |
| 02:37.13 | NerveBand | what is the best tool for me to manage my wifi on my laptop? (gui is preferred) |
| 02:37.15 | YGingras | abrotman: I don't have root on the remote, I can't mount a loopback |
| 02:37.38 | abrotman | i guess you could gpg each file |
| 02:37.41 | YGingras | NerveBand: knetworkmanaget |
| 02:37.45 | YGingras | manager* |
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| 02:38.00 | NerveBand | checking that out |
| 02:38.03 | NerveBand | hope it works on xfce |
| 02:38.05 | NerveBand | nicely |
| 02:38.33 | YGingras | NerveBand: just for it I'd switch to kde ; ) |
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| 02:39.13 | abrotman | NerveBand: there are GTK managers |
| 02:39.27 | abrotman | or gnome |
| 02:39.28 | NerveBand | im using xfce though |
| 02:39.31 | jetscreamer | you can use that in gnome or whatever |
| 02:39.32 | abrotman | xfce is gtk |
| 02:39.35 | NerveBand | oh okay |
| 02:39.41 | NerveBand | well i dont know of any from memoryh |
| 02:39.42 | jetscreamer | just install it |
| 02:39.43 | YGingras | abrotman: my curent plan is to make a huge tarball and encrypt it. It will work but I lose a lot of disk space if I store more than one snapshot |
| 02:39.47 | NerveBand | and i guess im not looking for a nice one |
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| 02:39.56 | NerveBand | i can't install gnome unless i want the laptop to run like shit |
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| 02:40.07 | NerveBand | its a ibook G3, 500mhz, 256mb, 10GB |
| 02:40.09 | abrotman | YGingras: right |
| 02:40.19 | stoned | remember X-Band? |
| 02:40.42 | stoned | before the sega channel. it rocked, multiplayer console gaming over phone line |
| 02:40.55 | abrotman | !find network-admin etch |
| 02:40.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'network-admin' (1): (/usr/bin/network-admin, /usr/share/gnome/help/network-admin/C/network-admin.xml, /usr/share/gnome/help/network-admin/es/network-admin.xml) in gnome/gnome-system-tools. |
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| 02:41.59 | NerveBand | thanks let me try that |
| 02:42.19 | NerveBand | what is better preferred, su or sudo? |
| 02:42.31 | jetscreamer | whatever works |
| 02:42.51 | NerveBand | ah k i think i'll install sudo |
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| 02:43.47 | edju | Is there a way to get libqt3-mt-dev w/o getting every other dev package known to man, which apt-get wants to install? |
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| 02:44.11 | k-man | wow, the new gui installer is so cool! |
| 02:44.23 | stoned | i don't like it |
| 02:44.25 | k-man | i haven't installed debian for a long long time... and it has come a long way since I last did it |
| 02:44.37 | stoned | i like the text installer much more better |
| 02:45.10 | twiggz | the sidux installer is horrible. |
| 02:45.10 | abrotman | edju: they're dependencies |
| 02:45.17 | twiggz | its hardware detection sucks. |
| 02:45.29 | twiggz | especially concerning video settings. |
| 02:45.47 | k-man | oh |
| 02:45.53 | k-man | i'm just setting up the partitions |
| 02:45.58 | loupgaroublond | stoned, that's ok, i like the installer that shipped with potato |
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| 02:46.01 | loupgaroublond | it was so much better |
| 02:46.43 | edju | qt depends on cupsys? |
| 02:46.49 | NerveBand | apparantly i have network-admin installed |
| 02:46.53 | NerveBand | but no idea on how to start it |
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| 02:47.14 | abrotman | NerveBand: type it in an xterm |
| 02:47.43 | semprix | abrotman, one of the alsa guys told me to upgrade to 1.0.14 |
| 02:47.53 | abrotman | !info alsa-source etch |
| 02:47.54 | semprix | how do i make debian packages out of this one? |
| 02:47.54 | dpkg | alsa-source: (ALSA driver sources), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.13-5 (etch), Packaged size: 2479 kB, Installed size: 2532 kB |
| 02:47.59 | abrotman | hrm .. okay |
| 02:48.09 | dondelelcaro | !+info alsa-source |
| 02:48.10 | dpkg | alsa-source: (ALSA driver sources), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.14-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2721 kB, Installed size: 2788 kB |
| 02:48.43 | dondelelcaro | semprix: in this specific case, you should be able to just install the package from unstable. |
| 02:48.51 | dondelelcaro | semprix: and then m-a a-i alsa |
| 02:49.26 | semprix | dondelelcaro, how do i install it from unstable |
| 02:49.54 | dondelelcaro | semprix: just visit packages.debian.org, wget it, and dpkg -i. |
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| 02:50.47 | semprix | dondelelcaro, its on stable |
| 02:50.59 | dondelelcaro | semprix: I know |
| 02:51.09 | dondelelcaro | semprix: you'll have to download the package from unstable and dpkg -i it. |
| 02:51.16 | stoned | will there ever an official debian live cd? |
| 02:51.21 | dondelelcaro | probably not |
| 02:51.44 | dondelelcaro | but they're getting to be so trivial to make that there may be an "unofficial official one" |
| 02:52.24 | dondelelcaro | I mean, last time I tried it was just a matter of make-live blah blah blah; |
| 02:52.58 | stoned | I will look into it |
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| 02:55.15 | brick | i am getting a lot of "Aug 14 19:54:16 firecat Photosmart_C3100_series?serial=MY65GB70YD04KV: INFO: open device failed; will retry in 30 seconds..." notices in /var/log/messages. how can i determine which process is doing this? |
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| 03:03.08 | Rykoshet | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.08 | Rykoshet | <Rykoshet> GLIB_CONFIG=/glib directory/, then export GLIB_CONFIG, then apt-get update |
| 03:03.23 | Rykoshet | and it's still telling me I have the wrong GLIB dir |
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| 03:08.12 | Guerin | Rykoshet: you're not trying to *install* irssi, you're trying to *build* irssi. Give up. run aptitude install irssi-text. |
| 03:08.15 | NerveBand | did you try aptitude isntall irssi again? instead of apt-get? |
| 03:08.20 | NerveBand | ah he left. |
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| 03:08.39 | Guerin | that guy is just delusional |
| 03:08.55 | NerveBand | meh |
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| 03:12.07 | cafuego | well well, the fake rusty returns |
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| 03:12.55 | Rusty1 | cafuego: ? |
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| 03:13.50 | lumgwada | How do you find out the UUID of a disk drive? |
| 03:14.12 | cafuego | vol_id |
| 03:14.27 | lumgwada | cheers |
| 03:14.32 | cafuego | Rusty1: `Rusty' on here sometimes complains about people stealing his nick |
| 03:14.44 | cafuego | lumgwada: tune2fs -l will also show it for ext2/3 |
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| 03:15.15 | semprix | guys how do i upgrade my alsa sound drivers to |
| 03:15.20 | semprix | 1.0.14 |
| 03:15.56 | semprix | i already downloaded alsa-base from unstable |
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| 03:16.20 | lumgwada | yeah I have a usb disk that mounts /dev/sdb1 at boot but not in a mount script... is using UUID instead the way to go for this? |
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| 03:18.42 | cafuego | lumgwada: Maybe even use udev and map it to /dev/myusbdisk1 |
| 03:19.20 | lumgwada | cafuego: ok thanks for that |
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| 03:20.39 | freenot | been googling without success, how do i change the defaul applications for movies, cd, txt etc in debian etch Guh-Nome? |
| 03:20.57 | freenot | default* |
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| 03:21.03 | Guerin | freenot: you're not allowed to |
| 03:21.06 | cafuego | freenot: Right click a file, choose properties -> open with -> pick other app. |
| 03:21.11 | Guerin | it's GNOME's way or nothing! |
| 03:21.20 | freenot | Guerin: oh! |
| 03:21.30 | freenot | cafuego: ta |
| 03:21.48 | stoned | ta? |
| 03:21.55 | cafuego | (that's KDE with a weird-ass kiwi accent, for those who are wondering) |
| 03:22.18 | cafuego | stoned: "ta" |
| 03:22.19 | freenot | cafuego: hahahaha, i'm an aussie, so i get that |
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| 03:22.32 | cafuego | freenot: guerin is from across the tasman :-) |
| 03:22.36 | stoned | what is a ta? |
| 03:22.39 | freenot | stoned: ta => contraction for Thanks |
| 03:22.47 | stoned | really? |
| 03:22.49 | freenot | cafuego: can't help bad luck! |
| 03:22.56 | Guerin | better than KDEuey |
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| 03:23.00 | freenot | stoned: yes, really |
| 03:23.08 | cafuego | stoned: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ta |
| 03:23.14 | cafuego | "A British english contraction for Thank You" |
| 03:23.14 | stoned | thats is kinda funny |
| 03:23.18 | cafuego | Used in .au as well |
| 03:23.27 | cafuego | nice & short, so the flies don't get into your mouth |
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| 03:23.44 | Guerin | stoned: often found in the phrase `ta'vry mooch, luv' |
| 03:24.03 | freenot | cafuego: where u in .au? |
| 03:24.08 | cafuego | guerin has been watching too much 'life on mars' methinks |
| 03:24.10 | Guerin | freenot: at the end |
| 03:24.15 | cafuego | freenot: melbourne, city |
| 03:24.18 | Guerin | cafuego: i lived with a scouser for a while |
| 03:24.24 | stoned | Guerin: that is worse than farmer Fran on Waterboy |
| 03:24.27 | freenot | cool, i'm in brissy |
| 03:24.47 | cafuego | ah, warm and wet brisvegas |
| 03:24.48 | Guerin | freenot: did you get to have a beer with Dunning and Tuqiri the other night? |
| 03:25.00 | Guerin | freenot: seems everyone else in town did. |
| 03:25.04 | cafuego | freenot: going to OSDC? |
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| 03:25.17 | freenot | Guerin: not me, rugby tossers, no |
| 03:25.42 | freenot | cafuego: you going? |
| 03:25.45 | jeef | is there an easy way to use 'sendmail' on a debian machine with exim to literally send a test message? |
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| 03:25.52 | cafuego | freenot: Yep! |
| 03:26.00 | Guerin | jeef: use mailx instead |
| 03:26.04 | cafuego | Arjen would probably stab me if I didn't |
| 03:26.12 | jeef | Guerin: will do |
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| 03:26.50 | freenot | cafuego: haha, he emailed our ruby group about it at the end of last year, i haven't kept up with the progress |
| 03:26.59 | cafuego | heh ;-) |
| 03:27.48 | jeef | Guerin: is there any way to verify if the message sent out okay, a log somewhere maybe? |
| 03:28.01 | freenot | cafuego: nice |
| 03:28.11 | cafuego | perhaps moon surfers on the way through |
| 03:28.27 | cafuego | freenot: Yeh, I've done that trip a few times now, it's great. |
| 03:28.28 | stoned | man |
| 03:28.31 | freenot | ah the newell, throw bricks more likely, that place is the worst thing in qld |
| 03:28.32 | stoned | don't talk about wives |
| 03:28.38 | stoned | it makes me jittery |
| 03:28.39 | cafuego | apart from the insland NSW bit, which is just boring as batshit |
| 03:28.55 | stoned | marriage is soon upon me, and I'm scared |
| 03:28.57 | stoned | :( |
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| 03:29.10 | freenot | cafuego: bricks at surfers i meant btw |
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| 03:29.20 | Guerin | stoned: nothing to worry about. |
| 03:29.24 | freenot | stoned: you'll be right |
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| 03:29.29 | cafuego | freenot: See, yes and no. it's pretty green+red from the border, which we don't get much down here... so it looks exotic :-) |
| 03:29.32 | jeef | Guerin: any idea? :/ |
| 03:29.42 | Guerin | it's my wife's brithday this weekend, we're having a ppunch and pizza party |
| 03:29.50 | cafuego | Guerin: O_RLY? |
| 03:29.52 | stoned | Guerin: fun |
| 03:30.03 | Guerin | bring your own punch ingredients and pizza topipings, assemble as you like |
| 03:30.05 | stoned | Guerin: what about if I am having second thoughts about the whole thing |
| 03:30.13 | cafuego | Guerin: it's *my* wife's birthday as well this weekend. |
| 03:30.15 | freenot | is just an over-priced, tourist-focused, s***hole and the sunshine coast isn't much better |
| 03:30.16 | Guerin | stoned: this is normal and ordinary. |
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| 03:30.20 | stoned | Guerin: I made a pizza out of 3 grains one time |
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| 03:30.27 | Olgem | oops |
| 03:30.29 | Guerin | cafuego: your wife doesn't work away from home, does she? |
| 03:30.30 | Olgem | :3 |
| 03:30.40 | cafuego | Guerin: part-time, yes |
| 03:30.46 | Guerin | hm. |
| 03:30.50 | cafuego | Guerin: is your at home mon-wed? |
| 03:31.11 | Guerin | cafuego: yes, she mostly absents herself on Friday nights |
| 03:31.15 | cafuego | hmmm |
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| 03:31.48 | cafuego | well, we *might* be married to the same woman |
| 03:31.54 | freenot | hahaahahahaha |
| 03:31.59 | Guerin | that would be confusing. |
| 03:32.07 | stoned | actually |
| 03:32.17 | Guerin | cafuego: does your wife drink bourbon & coke? |
| 03:32.21 | stoned | Dropadi in Maha Bharat had 5 Pandu hasbands |
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| 03:32.31 | freenot | well, i've always believed women have the philosphy ... why make one man miserable, when you can make two? |
| 03:32.36 | stoned | that is why the war was fought, ancient Indian history etc. |
| 03:32.38 | Guerin | stoned: but that was the olden days. |
| 03:32.56 | cafuego | Guerin: Nope, dry martinis |
| 03:33.12 | stoned | see |
| 03:33.14 | Guerin | cafuego: definitely not Deb then. Can't stand gin. |
| 03:33.17 | stoned | I don't want to become like that |
| 03:33.30 | stoned | I don't want to come to a point in my marriage where I am thankful for my wife's absence |
| 03:33.31 | freenot | dry martinis ... how cool! |
| 03:33.52 | freenot | ah, i work from home, she is here, it is nice to get a bit of time apart |
| 03:33.54 | cafuego | Guerin: *HOWEVER* |
| 03:34.01 | cafuego | Guerin: Her initials are "DEB" |
| 03:34.14 | Guerin | cafuego: Bourbon and coke is fine for a night watching the rugby or such. But whisky is a proper drink. |
| 03:34.21 | Guerin | cafuego: scary. |
| 03:34.24 | stoned | hah, rugby. |
| 03:34.29 | stoned | cricken pwnz it anyday |
| 03:34.31 | cafuego | Guerin: I can't stand either of them |
| 03:34.35 | stoned | cricket* |
| 03:34.43 | freenot | cricket! had, an old man's game |
| 03:34.45 | cafuego | Guerin: bourbon, rugby or whiskey, that is ;-) |
| 03:34.51 | stoned | actually the nz cricket team is pretty good |
| 03:34.53 | Guerin | stoned: cricket's fine if you have a day (or week) to waste |
| 03:34.55 | cafuego | freenot: Cricket is a drinking game |
| 03:35.02 | stoned | cafuego: definitely |
| 03:35.05 | stoned | and stoning too |
| 03:35.14 | Guerin | gotta make it exciting somehow |
| 03:35.15 | freenot | real men throw themselves off hills with ropes or under the control of gravity ... |
| 03:35.20 | stoned | Guerin: but i like it |
| 03:35.21 | freenot | stoned: haha |
| 03:35.31 | stoned | freenot: what did i say? |
| 03:35.40 | freenot | stoning ... |
| 03:35.42 | Guerin | stoned: the NZ cricket team is weak, but the ruigby team is mighty |
| 03:35.43 | stoned | ohh hehe |
| 03:35.54 | stoned | well nz used to be good when I watched cricket |
| 03:36.01 | cafuego | Guerin: I'd like to see the all-blacks take on the aussie cricket team, with bats. |
| 03:36.02 | stoned | back when i was a kid and didn't have anything else to do |
| 03:36.03 | Guerin | stoned: does your wife-to-be object to your immense consumption of smokables? |
| 03:36.12 | freenot | cafuego: haha, i'd watch that |
| 03:36.12 | Guerin | cafuego: that would be awesome. |
| 03:36.16 | stoned | Guerin: she does not know |
| 03:36.24 | Guerin | stoned: you're in for a world of hurt. |
| 03:36.28 | stoned | sometimes I have to quit for months at a time when she comes around |
| 03:36.30 | stoned | I don't mind |
| 03:36.37 | cafuego | provided they kill shane warne before they lose, i'll be happy |
| 03:36.37 | stoned | when she is here I don't really feel like getting high anyway |
| 03:36.38 | freenot | stoned: ah, a good tip ... don't hide stuff from them ... ever |
| 03:36.42 | snowbird | he stoned how i tell kde to start from cmd line |
| 03:36.49 | Guerin | i second freenot's advice |
| 03:36.56 | snowbird | i can ge gnome to but how kde? |
| 03:37.03 | Guerin | stoned: statrkde |
| 03:37.07 | Guerin | fix the typo\ |
| 03:37.13 | Guerin | *sigh* |
| 03:37.13 | stoned | snowbird: sudo update-alternatives --configure x-session-manager, pick kde, then simply startx |
| 03:37.18 | cafuego | stoned: chances are she does know, you just know she does |
| 03:37.37 | cafuego | s/just know/just don't know/ |
| 03:37.38 | stoned | it doesn't matter, she doesn't talk back to me |
| 03:37.40 | freenot | cos they get real narky with secrets, more than what it was you you were trying to hide, unless it involves goats and rope 8-) |
| 03:37.54 | stoned | we've never actually had any disagreements |
| 03:37.58 | stoned | none that I can ever remember |
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| 03:38.03 | cafuego | freenot: hey, don't dis bbq goat |
| 03:38.13 | freenot | cafuego: haha |
| 03:38.29 | stoned | one time, she wanted vanilla and I wanted choc. but that was when were like 10 |
| 03:38.35 | freenot | i had an old goat once ... had to send her back to her husband tho ... |
| 03:38.44 | snowbird | il trybthat |
| 03:39.29 | stoned | oh, and few months ago she just called to let me know if 800$ is missing, she took it, so don't over use the account |
| 03:39.34 | Rusty1 | cartoon: chicken and egg in bed smoking cigarettes, caption: that settles that |
| 03:39.43 | stoned | im like wtf, turns out, she went shopping with my mom using my credit card |
| 03:39.43 | freenot | haha, sorry, you guys crack me up, i can tell we definately are *not* in #openbsd |
| 03:39.44 | Guerin | stoned: that's good money in Karachi. |
| 03:39.44 | stoned | :( |
| 03:40.01 | Guerin | freenot: #obsd > #openbsd |
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| 03:40.03 | stoned | Guerin: yeh, karachi is pretty modern now |
| 03:40.15 | stoned | Guerin: sometimes its like wow, is this really pakistan |
| 03:40.20 | Guerin | goddamn, I gots to go to the subcontinent |
| 03:40.22 | stoned | and I have not been back in like 9 years |
| 03:40.38 | freenot | we are off to .eu in early jan 2008 ... finally |
| 03:40.39 | Guerin | stupid gravity, always breaking bits of me! |
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| 03:40.46 | stoned | i should go maybe |
| 03:40.58 | cafuego | freenot: Ah, the summer season ;-) |
| 03:41.00 | stoned | I had a fight with my dad on the phone a few months ago |
| 03:41.01 | freenot | i can't wait to go to a debconf or similar over there |
| 03:41.04 | stoned | I don't feel like going to pakistan |
| 03:41.15 | cafuego | freenot: We won't be seeing you at LCA then i guess |
| 03:41.15 | stoned | but I have my sister there, and i wanna see her i have not seen her in 9 years |
| 03:41.24 | freenot | cafuego: won't it be winter there in dec/jan? |
| 03:41.29 | cafuego | freenot: yah |
| 03:41.29 | stoned | apt-get buy planeticketfor stoned |
| 03:41.42 | freenot | cafuego: nope, pity, i went to lca2004, was gr8 |
| 03:41.50 | Guerin | !tw@ |
| 03:41.51 | dpkg | from memory, tw@ is ( What we think of people who use 'gr8' and other such nonsense words. ) |
| 03:42.00 | stoned | Guerin: they eat goat balls there |
| 03:42.06 | freenot | Guerin: point taken |
| 03:42.08 | stoned | and liver and lungs too |
| 03:42.08 | Guerin | stoned: juicy. |
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| 03:42.22 | Guerin | lung is pretty good. Tender. Needs a bit of ssalt. |
| 03:42.23 | simonrvn | wtf is tw@ |
| 03:42.26 | stoned | and the intestine |
| 03:42.27 | cafuego | mind you, that means i'll be in need of a .eu holiday in march :-) |
| 03:42.30 | stoned | hey its my main man simonrvn |
| 03:42.33 | stoned | whats up |
| 03:42.33 | freenot | haha, t w a t |
| 03:42.34 | cafuego | simonrvn: don't be a twat |
| 03:42.38 | simonrvn | kwe kwe |
| 03:42.48 | cafuego | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twat |
| 03:42.51 | stoned | kwe indeed |
| 03:42.54 | freenot | cafuego: where is '08? |
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| 03:43.02 | cafuego | freenot: melbourne uni |
| 03:43.07 | freenot | ah neat |
| 03:43.19 | AZ_AS | what's the command to switch out of an X session, I forgot |
| 03:43.21 | freenot | maybe i'll come back for '09 |
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| 03:43.27 | Guerin | my bro is moving to Melbourne in a couple months |
| 03:43.32 | cafuego | 09 might be in brisbane |
| 03:43.33 | simonrvn | yeh my brain is fried, i slept 3 hours total today |
| 03:43.38 | stoned | twat did you say? I cunt understand you? I have an ear infucktion. Let me just finger it out. Bare'ass me again. |
| 03:43.42 | freenot | AZ_AS: ctrl-alt-backspace? |
| 03:43.52 | stoned | we used to say that in like what, 4th grade |
| 03:43.52 | stoned | heh |
| 03:43.59 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 03:44.04 | AZ_AS | don't think that works on mine |
| 03:44.06 | freenot | cafuego: that'd be neat, brissy has never had it, yeah? |
| 03:44.07 | cafuego | Guerin: What does that mean? Some random new zealander or an actual family member? ;-) |
| 03:44.13 | cafuego | freenot: 2001 I think |
| 03:44.17 | freenot | k |
| 03:44.19 | Guerin | cafuego: no, my actual biological brother! |
| 03:44.24 | cafuego | :-) |
| 03:44.29 | Guerin | *shock* |
| 03:44.34 | cafuego | 2002, sorry |
| 03:44.39 | freenot | Guerin: isn't everyone your bro'? |
| 03:44.46 | Guerin | he will *doubleshock* get a job as a barista and attempt to earn $ |
| 03:44.52 | simonrvn | no |
| 03:44.54 | Guerin | freenot: tru ow. |
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| 03:45.05 | Guerin | freenot: nah, some people are my sis. |
| 03:45.07 | cafuego | Guerin: Does he know where he'll be getting this job? |
| 03:45.11 | stoned | lol |
| 03:45.19 | freenot | Guerin: i have a joke ... bit on the edge, i'll pm you |
| 03:45.30 | AZ_AS | freenot, using a MacBookPro so command might be a bit different...I know it's ctrl-alt something at least |
| 03:45.46 | freenot | AZ_AS: ghastly |
| 03:45.48 | simonrvn | edge of what, sense? |
| 03:45.55 | AZ_AS | ghastly? |
| 03:45.56 | Guerin | cafuego: nope, but he's pretty shit-hot. |
| 03:46.05 | stoned | simonrvn: what are you going on about? |
| 03:46.07 | freenot | sense/racial harmony |
| 03:46.10 | Guerin | freenot: just put it in the channel |
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| 03:46.22 | cafuego | Guerin: Lygon street then I'd hope. |
| 03:46.25 | freenot | ah, i think not |
| 03:46.27 | stoned | oh nm |
| 03:46.35 | simonrvn | we'll flame you off if we don't like it ;) |
| 03:46.37 | cafuego | Guerin: Make him repeat the mantra "north of the yarra" |
| 03:46.40 | freenot | ppl tend to be *too* easily offended |
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| 03:46.46 | Guerin | cafuego: heh, fair enough. |
| 03:46.50 | stoned | I read your nick, but the wrong line scrolled by or something, in effect simon rv said 3 peoples worth stuff |
| 03:46.51 | freenot | simonrvn: ok then |
| 03:46.54 | stoned | heh |
| 03:46.58 | simonrvn | oh grow some balls and say it |
| 03:47.05 | stoned | no no |
| 03:47.14 | stoned | grow a sack, fill it with some balls, magically sproud a dick.. etc. |
| 03:47.15 | Guerin | see, now it'll be a let-down |
| 03:47.19 | freenot | a kiwi, a fijian and a west samoan are in a car. who is driving? |
| 03:47.21 | stoned | american pie, funny stuff |
| 03:47.22 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 03:47.24 | cafuego | coz south of the yarra he'll be doing skinny lattes all day long |
| 03:47.26 | simonrvn | stoned: ^^^ |
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| 03:47.32 | stoned | yeh |
| 03:47.37 | Guerin | freenot: who? |
| 03:47.39 | freenot | the policeman |
| 03:47.43 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 03:47.51 | stoned | routine check |
| 03:47.54 | simonrvn | sounds like a rez joke |
| 03:48.04 | Guerin | we have a similar one in NZ, with a Maori, a Samoan and a Westie. |
| 03:48.11 | freenot | k |
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| 03:48.18 | stoned | ricky martin |
| 03:48.19 | andyp_ | hi |
| 03:48.26 | stoned | hi |
| 03:48.30 | freenot | anzac forever i say |
| 03:48.39 | simonrvn | no i'm not. i deny any affiliation |
| 03:48.43 | cafuego | oath |
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| 03:48.54 | stoned | im getting slow and fat |
| 03:48.55 | Guerin | cafuego: the cafe he currently runs doesn't have skinny milk. They have skinny milk on the menu, but not in the cup, if you get my drift. |
| 03:48.58 | andyp_ | anyone uses or has used azureus |
| 03:49.00 | stoned | I gained another 4 lbs |
| 03:49.05 | stoned | making it 19 lbs of fat |
| 03:49.08 | cafuego | ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 03:49.09 | krazykit | !anyone use azureus |
| 03:49.10 | dpkg | No, no one uses azureus, not even the people who use it. |
| 03:49.11 | stoned | i know |
| 03:49.28 | stoned | i was 130~ish lbs, and now im like 155 or something |
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| 03:49.33 | andyp_ | dpkg: um |
| 03:49.36 | stoned | this job is making me lazy |
| 03:49.39 | Guerin | stoned: scrawny weed. |
| 03:49.43 | freenot | 155lbs ... haha, still skinny |
| 03:49.44 | stoned | ey! |
| 03:49.45 | stoned | shaddup |
| 03:49.46 | cafuego | andyp_: I have used it. Then I got better and now I use rtorrent. |
| 03:50.01 | stoned | dude |
| 03:50.07 | stoned | i will put the kaibosh on you |
| 03:50.12 | freenot | 83kgs ... i look like an Ewok on steroids |
| 03:50.15 | cafuego | freenot: stoned is *very* short |
| 03:50.17 | stoned | im like hidden tiger crouching dragon someting |
| 03:50.20 | freenot | haha |
| 03:50.25 | Guerin | he must be a midget! |
| 03:50.27 | andyp_ | cafuego: why is it so slow even worse than dail -up |
| 03:50.35 | stoned | dude |
| 03:50.35 | cafuego | andyp_: java |
| 03:50.37 | stoned | no I'm not |
| 03:50.41 | stoned | I'm 5'11 |
| 03:50.43 | simonrvn | <- 5'10" 140 lbs |
| 03:50.51 | cafuego | andyp_: it eats cpu and ram like mad |
| 03:50.59 | stoned | with shoes 5'11.5 or 6 |
| 03:51.00 | freenot | talk metric you weirdos |
| 03:51.07 | cafuego | stoned: From there I'm sitting anything under 6' is pretty short |
| 03:51.14 | simonrvn | 172 cm, 65 kg |
| 03:51.18 | Guerin | heh. In NZ we do height in feet and inches and everything else in metric. |
| 03:51.20 | freenot | cafuego: 169cm/83kg |
| 03:51.24 | andyp_ | cafuego: wo 8days to download a 4.7gb file ? |
| 03:51.25 | stoned | cafuego: im about 6 with some boots on |
| 03:51.36 | stoned | wtf is cm man |
| 03:51.42 | stoned | don't answer that |
| 03:51.43 | simonrvn | i've taken down people your size ;) |
| 03:51.45 | stoned | rhetorical |
| 03:51.45 | cafuego | I honestly don't know what i weigh |
| 03:51.47 | freenot | cafuego: sheeit, you be one tall pile of pelican s*** 8-) |
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| 03:51.50 | stoned | speak in feet/inch |
| 03:51.54 | stoned | and pounds |
| 03:52.02 | cafuego | freenot: I'm dutch, only just over average back home. |
| 03:52.04 | krazykit | andyp_, azureus isn't slow in regards to downloading. that's a problem of the seeders. check to see if ports are forwarded properly, etc. |
| 03:52.13 | freenot | cafuego: k |
| 03:52.17 | stoned | hey man |
| 03:52.18 | simonrvn | i'm small for my people ;) |
| 03:52.21 | stoned | thats not very nice |
| 03:52.24 | stoned | :( |
| 03:52.31 | stoned | simonrvn: nah |
| 03:52.33 | freenot | we ewok are small but feisty |
| 03:52.37 | cafuego | stoned: we're a mean bunch |
| 03:52.38 | stoned | yes |
| 03:52.41 | stoned | ubuntu feisty |
| 03:52.44 | stoned | aha |
| 03:52.49 | stoned | cafuego: word |
| 03:52.52 | simonrvn | stoned: yes, we have an expression, FBI. fucking big indian |
| 03:52.54 | cafuego | stoned: think 6'4" |
| 03:53.02 | stoned | simonrvn: hey man |
| 03:53.05 | stoned | I resent that |
| 03:53.09 | stoned | you are NOT indian |
| 03:53.11 | andyp_ | Krazykit: yes lokked at that but my modem does not allow port forwarding i am on a cable ISP |
| 03:53.12 | Guerin | hehe |
| 03:53.13 | stoned | I |
| 03:53.14 | stoned | am an indian |
| 03:53.19 | stoned | YOU are native american |
| 03:53.20 | cafuego | though not 6 and a bit of *my* feet, coz they're big too. |
| 03:53.21 | Guerin | stoned: you're a pakistani! |
| 03:53.22 | simonrvn | i know :) |
| 03:53.22 | stoned | ;) |
| 03:53.28 | stoned | Guerin: that is a nationality |
| 03:53.30 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 03:53.31 | stoned | my race is indian |
| 03:53.33 | krazykit | andyp_, it's not about the modem. that should allow all ports to the computer. were you behind a router, that'd be an issue |
| 03:53.44 | cafuego | stoned: I though an indian was a morocycle |
| 03:53.46 | Guerin | stoned: your *race* is homo sapiens sapiens. |
| 03:53.47 | cafuego | motorcycle |
| 03:53.49 | krazykit | andyp_, it may be that your ISP throttles torrents, or throttles that port or something |
| 03:54.00 | stoned | Guerin: sub species of homo sapein |
| 03:54.02 | stoned | ok man |
| 03:54.05 | simonrvn | stoned: at a pow-wow earlier this year i saw a t-shirt with "FBI\nfucking broke indian" |
| 03:54.11 | stoned | lol |
| 03:54.15 | freenot | haha |
| 03:54.19 | Guerin | <heh> |
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| 03:54.35 | simonrvn | i' more that one ;) |
| 03:54.37 | stoned | hey you know Aryans are from somewhere in the subcontinent |
| 03:54.39 | freenot | pity you didn't have t*ts |
| 03:54.45 | stoned | or no wait, they populated there a long time ago |
| 03:54.48 | stoned | 4k bc i think |
| 03:54.59 | cafuego | stoned: yeah, though apparently some retarded germans forgot that lastc entury |
| 03:55.02 | stoned | i read somewhere that aryans were around the indian subcontinent area |
| 03:55.13 | simonrvn | yeh, and dark |
| 03:55.18 | stoned | but also northern europeon |
| 03:55.24 | andyp_ | Krazykit: yes maybe port 16170 seems ok |
| 03:55.26 | stoned | i never really remembered what i read there |
| 03:55.29 | cafuego | stoned: "aryan" cuisine here is turkish/syrian area these days afaik |
| 03:55.31 | stoned | correct me |
| 03:55.32 | Guerin | stoned: indeed. Modern north India/Pakistan/Afghanistan |
| 03:55.43 | stoned | Guerin: so that is what I am too |
| 03:55.47 | cafuego | ... iran |
| 03:55.48 | stoned | word man |
| 03:55.49 | Guerin | more so than most |
| 03:56.04 | Guerin | and iran, yes, whose name actually comes from the word `Aryan' |
| 03:56.12 | stoned | yes |
| 03:56.15 | andyp_ | krazykit : when i do a ls - la it seems the file is already downloded |
| 03:56.19 | Guerin | (though that's a historical anomaly driven by the crazy shah) |
| 03:56.22 | stoned | sounds like it could be |
| 03:56.31 | k-man | well, i installed the netinst weekly |
| 03:56.39 | k-man | but something went wrong with the grub part |
| 03:56.43 | freenot | i am Celt and proud of it, although i have a small weenie and get sunburnt easily |
| 03:56.44 | k-man | grub doesn't boot the OS |
| 03:56.54 | k-man | grub shows one blank entry |
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| 03:57.01 | krazykit | andyp_, yeah, that's normal. many clients will set aside a chunk of space as big as the file to prevent fragmentation. |
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| 03:57.25 | stoned | simonrvn: ever go to #ubuntu.. you can't do this there |
| 03:57.31 | freenot | simonrvn: likewise, some ppl take stuff too seriously |
| 03:57.32 | stoned | #debian and debian kick ass man |
| 03:57.36 | simonrvn | once. didn't stay very long |
| 03:57.37 | stoned | more so than most |
| 03:57.38 | Guerin | stoned: if you laugh at them, why, you're only one step away from winning! |
| 03:57.43 | Guerin | simonrvn: ↑ |
| 03:57.51 | cafuego | speaking of, i better check up on the chickpeas |
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| 03:57.59 | stoned | ooh |
| 03:58.02 | stoned | making hummus? |
| 03:58.05 | cafuego | yup |
| 03:58.07 | stoned | word man |
| 03:58.08 | simonrvn | Guerin: yes, they just angrier heh |
| 03:58.10 | stoned | fuckin a |
| 03:58.13 | Guerin | i got banned from #ubuntu for swearing some moons ago. |
| 03:58.18 | stoned | Guerin: heh |
| 03:58.20 | krazykit | stoned, yeah, because users are too busy asking HOW I MAKE UBUTNU COMPIZ??? |
| 03:58.21 | freenot | hey if anyone wants to call me a white-faced, ex-convict stock aussie trash ... go for it, i promise i won't cry |
| 03:58.27 | simonrvn | er, just get* |
| 03:58.29 | stoned | you're not going to like this, I'm on kubuntu live cd atm |
| 03:58.37 | stoned | I can't tear myself away from oblivion |
| 03:58.40 | stoned | :( |
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| 03:58.43 | simonrvn | freenot: heheh |
| 03:58.57 | Guerin | freenot: you'll just have another XXXX and go `Fairh deenkum, cobbah' |
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| 03:59.03 | stoned | soon as that happens i'll go back to wiping my ntfs disks and back to debian |
| 03:59.09 | freenot | Guerin: hell no, carlton cold thanks |
| 03:59.15 | andyp_ | krazykit: how can i tell if its being blocked? |
| 03:59.16 | stoned | heh |
| 03:59.17 | cafuego | freenot: aaaah! :-) |
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| 03:59.20 | freenot | you know why XXXX is called XXXX? |
| 03:59.22 | stoned | find me a video of the 'carlton dance' |
| 03:59.22 | simonrvn | stoned: aaaw, it's ok |
| 03:59.24 | stoned | from fresh prince |
| 03:59.25 | jetscreamer | zzz |
| 03:59.25 | Guerin | oho, too good for the old fourex, are ya? |
| 03:59.35 | snowbird | stoned when i did that came to shell i typed start x go gnome |
| 03:59.35 | freenot | queenslanders cant spell *beer* |
| 03:59.37 | dewey | good day mates |
| 03:59.43 | Guerin | freenot: because it's false advertising to call it `beer' |
| 03:59.45 | freenot | hahaha |
| 03:59.52 | cafuego | Guerin: Why drink fourecks if you don't *have* to? |
| 03:59.53 | krazykit | andyp_, iunno. google? i think there's a list somewhere of ISPs and the ports they block. there are also services to say which are open, but i dunno what they are |
| 03:59.56 | stoned | snowbird: which is why I said to use update-alternatives and select kde as your x-session-manager |
| 03:59.56 | freenot | Guerin: goat wee with bubbles |
| 04:00.00 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 04:00.12 | snowbird | i dont see alternitives there stoned |
| 04:00.15 | stoned | hey |
| 04:00.16 | Guerin | actually, XXXX is prertty good when it's insane-queensland-hot and the beer is insanely teeth-hurtingly cold |
| 04:00.23 | cafuego | freenot: actually, we have a boutique one in melb, "mountain goat" which is damn tasty |
| 04:00.28 | stoned | there is a brazilian band called Goat Penis |
| 04:00.33 | freenot | Guerin: you speak truth |
| 04:00.41 | stoned | they sing about devil worship national socialist bullcrap |
| 04:00.47 | stoned | its not really even music, its just noise |
| 04:00.47 | andyp_ | krazykit; thanks its a real waste of time this torrennt thing |
| 04:00.52 | stoned | but its funny, goat penis |
| 04:00.52 | freenot | stoned: haha |
| 04:00.55 | stoned | pene de cabra |
| 04:00.56 | stoned | hehe |
| 04:01.00 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 04:01.20 | cafuego | andyp_: Try changing the ports it uses to non-standard, then retsart it. |
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| 04:01.24 | stoned | torrents are awesome |
| 04:01.40 | cafuego | andyp_: Your ISP might just be filtering the ports by number, not traffic by content. |
| 04:01.41 | stoned | andyp_: most isps try to block that default 699xsomething port |
| 04:01.48 | simonrvn | i used a torrent for the first time a little while ago, it's damned efficient |
| 04:02.04 | jetscreamer | zzz |
| 04:02.05 | freenot | andyp_: you using optus? |
| 04:02.07 | stoned | simonrvn: it maybe slow depending on the seeding and leeching, but it is reliable, you get what you download |
| 04:02.14 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 04:02.19 | Guerin | simonrvn: it's *absurdly* efficient when used with a rarest-first superseeding algorthm |
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| 04:02.55 | andyp_ | freenot; just a sec let me look its 5 in the morning in uk just got out of bed |
| 04:02.58 | stoned | you can go beyond this universe with the stuff I have |
| 04:02.59 | stoned | goddamn man |
| 04:03.05 | simonrvn | 'spuerseeding', oversaturating the number of seeds? |
| 04:03.06 | krazykit | torrents are nice, too, because of integrated hash checking. no more worries about matching md5sums and such. |
| 04:03.08 | Guerin | simonrvn: i've seen more than 100 clients served at only 10% more time than a straight stream would take to serve *one* |
| 04:03.15 | simonrvn | super* |
| 04:03.20 | freenot | andyp_: so i guess you aren't using optus then ... |
| 04:03.28 | simonrvn | wow |
| 04:03.29 | Guerin | simonrvn: no, just enforcing distribution of rare chunks to diverse clients. |
| 04:03.46 | Snake-eyes | Any one know of stock program I could use ? |
| 04:03.50 | andyp_ | freenot: 16170 |
| 04:03.52 | simonrvn | ok, ah so distribution |
| 04:03.56 | Snake-eyes | *stock market |
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| 04:04.00 | Guerin | simonrvn: which means they get propagated faster. It only works when there's a small number of seeds, but it's incredibly efficient. |
| 04:04.17 | simonrvn | ok |
| 04:04.52 | andyp_ | freenot: i am useing azureus |
| 04:04.54 | simonrvn | i'm so tired i spelled 'distribution' like 'distrubition' |
| 04:04.58 | stoned | i once smoked a seed |
| 04:05.01 | stoned | gave me a headache |
| 04:05.06 | jetscreamer | you didn't see my azureus warning? |
| 04:05.08 | simonrvn | 'using', dude, drop the Es |
| 04:05.10 | jetscreamer | tsk |
| 04:05.19 | stoned | warning? |
| 04:05.21 | jetscreamer | summary: do't |
| 04:05.21 | stoned | do tell |
| 04:05.25 | jetscreamer | don't |
| 04:05.32 | jetscreamer | i'll make a factoid |
| 04:05.35 | Guerin | azureus' superseeding algorithm is retarded, indeed. |
| 04:05.41 | Guerin | much like the rest of it |
| 04:05.48 | jetscreamer | !azureus |
| 04:05.48 | dpkg | To install azureus, type aptitude install azureus AFTER adding contrib and non-free to your sources. | Ask me about <contrib> <non-free> |
| 04:05.50 | freenot | andyp_: optus is an ISP, not an app, i have had my account blocked from hosting certain services on certain ports |
| 04:05.51 | DavidProck1981 | hay how can i FORCE iceweasle to save into my home dir and not the Desktop, If i select my home folder it redirect it to Desktop Dir, HELL i dont even have a Desktop dir ????? |
| 04:05.55 | snowbird | ok i stil dont see how to do this working |
| 04:06.06 | stoned | snowbird: is kde installed? |
| 04:06.11 | mfrisch | does users that use knetworkmanager need to be in a certain group? root can run it. |
| 04:06.13 | snowbird | yes |
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| 04:06.19 | socialist | brazilian national socialists? weird. |
| 04:06.21 | stoned | snowbird: is gnome installed? |
| 04:06.24 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:06.28 | snowbird | i can use that? |
| 04:06.33 | stoned | socialist: look it up |
| 04:06.41 | krazykit | socialist, not really. i thought a lot of them relocated to south america after wwii |
| 04:06.47 | andyp_ | freenot: is there a way of checking which ports are being blocked filtered or whatever |
| 04:06.48 | freenot | DavidProck1981: preferences => main => download => mkdir whatever |
| 04:06.51 | Guerin | krazykit: that was argentina. |
| 04:06.54 | socialist | krazykit: that's true |
| 04:06.55 | stoned | snowbird: use the --configure x-session-manager |
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| 04:06.59 | jetscreamer | dpkg, azureus is also java permissions incredibly insecure by default, it will take a picture of your desktop and a log of your activity and put it up as a new torrent for legal action. |
| 04:06.59 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
| 04:07.04 | socialist | stoned: I believe you , it just seems odd |
| 04:07.11 | snowbird | as root? |
| 04:07.13 | freenot | andyp_: not from your end by them, you could *ask* them |
| 04:07.18 | Guerin | getting argentina and brazil mixed up is a good way to get into a fight with BOTH and argie and a brazilian |
| 04:07.18 | DavidProck1981 | i want in my home dir and not a sub dir with in the home and it wont let me do it |
| 04:07.20 | stoned | snowbird: update-alternatives --configure x-session-manager |
| 04:07.23 | stoned | snowbird: yes as root |
| 04:07.35 | stoned | snowbird: and pick the number the corresponds to kde |
| 04:07.56 | stoned | snowbird: then startx will launch kde |
| 04:08.06 | socialist | and don't anyone confuse me with those lizard scum |
| 04:08.15 | stoned | lizard? |
| 04:08.15 | freenot | DavidProck1981: i just changed mine back to /home/me not /home/me/download |
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| 04:08.29 | andyp_ | freenot; i have tried diffrent torrent software without java it seems to be the same |
| 04:08.31 | stoned | you know |
| 04:08.34 | simonrvn | don't insult lizrds ;p |
| 04:08.47 | socialist | random insult word, borrowed from bill hicks |
| 04:08.49 | freenot | lizard scum ... are their opensuse users here? |
| 04:08.55 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:09.00 | simonrvn | (the green reptilian animals ;) |
| 04:09.08 | stoned | I have noticed that ever sicne I moved to oklahoma, and lived there for a few years, I have found that my grammar and sentence structure have retarded. |
| 04:09.12 | cafuego | ducks? Are there Dapper Drake users here? |
| 04:09.13 | freenot | ugly vomit lizard that one |
| 04:09.20 | simonrvn | socialist: it's ok, i was kdding, and knew exactly who you were talking about |
| 04:09.20 | socialist | stoned: fight it |
| 04:09.23 | stoned | and I've been swearing more than used to |
| 04:09.25 | Guerin | stoned: hotdamn! |
| 04:09.31 | krazykit | stoned, yes, that'll do it. |
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| 04:09.37 | socialist | simonrvn: I figured ;) |
| 04:09.38 | cafuego | stoned: you'r turning into an australian |
| 04:09.39 | simonrvn | stoned: :/ |
| 04:09.42 | stoned | lol |
| 04:09.45 | Guerin | stoned: you're turning into an okie from muskogee! |
| 04:09.46 | freenot | stoned: probably more to do with being in the US than anything else ... sorry but mericglish is poor |
| 04:09.46 | simonrvn | hehhe |
| 04:09.57 | stoned | heh |
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| 04:10.11 | stoned | I grew up some years in pakistan, and went to a british english medium school |
| 04:10.27 | stoned | I used to be good in english more than my own language |
| 04:10.28 | simonrvn | even the most dangerous moron in the us admitted his doesn't speak english very well |
| 04:10.36 | jetscreamer | i can't believe the carpetbaggers took oklahoma out of texas and made it it's own state |
| 04:10.37 | freenot | stoned: fate has been linguisitically unkind to you .... |
| 04:10.37 | simonrvn | he* |
| 04:10.55 | freenot | simonrvn: who was that? george dubya? |
| 04:10.58 | simonrvn | for sure |
| 04:11.03 | simonrvn | freenot: yeh |
| 04:11.06 | freenot | hmm |
| 04:11.25 | socialist | nuke-ya-ler |
| 04:11.34 | krazykit | stratery |
| 04:11.36 | stoned | freenot: not really. it has its advantages. of course I agree with you that dialects and styles can mislead or be confusing, english is great in proper form. It is a planetary language, pretty much. |
| 04:11.40 | krazykit | strategery, rather |
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| 04:11.56 | stoned | its bringing everyone together because we can now understand each other |
| 04:12.05 | stoned | its good we need a common global language |
| 04:12.12 | Guerin | my international relations profesor - an eminently educated man born and bred in NZ - did his PhD in the USA, and says `nucular'. He apologises constantly for it, but can't help it. |
| 04:12.16 | freenot | english as a planetary language sucks |
| 04:12.22 | stoned | freenot: why? |
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| 04:12.25 | socialist | I can't figure out why more people aren't freaked out by the fact that our president can't pronounce one of the most important things any pres has to deal with |
| 04:12.27 | ldsjohn | yeah it should be german instead |
| 04:12.34 | freenot | ldsjohn: no |
| 04:12.35 | simonrvn | sure, but we shouldn't lose touch with our own language either |
| 04:12.36 | cafuego | it's so inflexible and oogly |
| 04:12.45 | Guerin | oogly is the word |
| 04:12.46 | ldsjohn | well then french? |
| 04:12.47 | stoned | no we shouldn't |
| 04:12.52 | Guerin | i recommend mandarin' |
| 04:12.52 | krazykit | esperanto! |
| 04:12.53 | stoned | english should be taught everywhere |
| 04:12.53 | socialist | esperanto |
| 04:13.01 | simonrvn | language is the core of a culture |
| 04:13.03 | Guerin | unless you have to read, mandarin isn't too hard |
| 04:13.07 | freenot | stoned: cos it puts every non-native speaking english person at a disadvantage, both linguistically and culturally |
| 04:13.08 | ldsjohn | how bout "oogah boogah" |
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| 04:13.21 | stoned | freenot: any languyage would |
| 04:13.30 | freenot | we should *all* have to suffer the same planetary language from the same disadvantage |
| 04:13.39 | Guerin | stoned: which is a perfect reason why there *isn't* a global language |
| 04:13.40 | stoned | native arab speakers can't pronouce p or t |
| 04:13.40 | ldsjohn | so we should make one up |
| 04:13.44 | socialist | rerun: esperanto |
| 04:13.57 | freenot | i'm all for a technical, artificial language, just not Klingon |
| 04:13.59 | stoned | there is also no ch sound in arabic |
| 04:14.10 | stoned | well we have binary |
| 04:14.14 | stoned | and 10 kinds of people |
| 04:14.14 | jetscreamer | chitori |
| 04:14.14 | ldsjohn | it shoudl be called common |
| 04:14.15 | stoned | or something |
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| 04:14.24 | jetscreamer | kiram tu kosse nanat |
| 04:14.26 | ldsjohn | there could be high common and low common |
| 04:14.31 | stoned | well whatever |
| 04:14.37 | stoned | just pick a langauge and lets all speak it also |
| 04:14.39 | ldsjohn | high common is americian english and low common is ebonics, problem solved |
| 04:14.41 | socialist | someone's been playing too much D&D |
| 04:14.42 | Guerin | esperanto is spoken as a native language by about ~2m people - it has the requisite depth etc. But is still eurocentric. |
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| 04:14.57 | stoned | socialist: I play dragonlance mud |
| 04:14.58 | simonrvn | 10 kinds of people? really? i thought there were more than 2 o_O :P |
| 04:14.58 | freenot | well there should be somehting ppl, cos long as the anglophiles maintain their hegemony through language, they control the power institutions, and we can all see what that has done |
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| 04:15.06 | jetscreamer | i'm glad nobody understood my gross mispelling |
| 04:15.23 | jetscreamer | i hear it's very offensive |
| 04:15.28 | stoned | how many pancakes does it take to build a doghouse? |
| 04:15.33 | freenot | Guerin: true, i started to learn it but got sidetracked with Ruby! |
| 04:15.34 | socialist | 11 |
| 04:15.39 | ldsjohn | 352 |
| 04:15.40 | cafuego | the garlic is smelly |
| 04:15.42 | ldsjohn | I counted once |
| 04:15.46 | Guerin | freenot: i tried to learn but got sidetracked by mandarin. |
| 04:15.46 | stoned | none. aligators can't fly. |
| 04:15.52 | freenot | haha |
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| 04:15.58 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 04:15.59 | stoned | see? |
| 04:16.01 | stoned | its stupid |
| 04:16.05 | socialist | http://www.knight-rider.org/anderson/pancake_bunny.jpg |
| 04:16.06 | stoned | it was in hightimes |
| 04:16.11 | krazykit | i'm too tired for this. i'm going to bed. you're all more ridicouls than normal |
| 04:16.11 | stoned | oct. 1997 |
| 04:16.15 | ldsjohn | mandarin's can taste pretty good |
| 04:16.26 | simonrvn | ridicouls? |
| 04:16.26 | freenot | krazykit: see ya |
| 04:16.29 | ldsjohn | something yummy about some good mandarin juice |
| 04:16.38 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.38 | stoned | ooh, 91 payboy.. im finding all sorts of goodies today in thsi old bin |
| 04:16.40 | Guerin | mm, i need to get back into the grind |
| 04:16.43 | stoned | snowbird: sure |
| 04:16.47 | krazykit | ridiculous, but i can't type tonight, obviously |
| 04:16.48 | freenot | simonrvn: ignore him, he is tired and got 5th grade tomorrow ... 8-) |
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| 04:16.54 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 04:17.03 | krazykit | 5th grade, pfft |
| 04:17.06 | stoned | Respek |
| 04:17.07 | ProN00b | whats the difference between the ia64 and the amd64 platforms ? |
| 04:17.08 | freenot | haha |
| 04:17.09 | simonrvn | 4th |
| 04:17.19 | ldsjohn | intel architechture 64 |
| 04:17.24 | ldsjohn | or amd 64 |
| 04:17.26 | Guerin | ProN00b: one is intel, and one is most assuredly not. |
| 04:17.27 | ldsjohn | thats the diff |
| 04:17.39 | stoned | ia64 is for intels innteleron lol, and amd64 is for amd cpus or intel em64t cpus |
| 04:17.44 | Guerin | ProN00b: if you don't *know* you have an ia64, then you don't have one. |
| 04:17.56 | stoned | !ia64 |
| 04:17.56 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
| 04:17.58 | stoned | !amd64 |
| 04:17.59 | dpkg | it has been said that amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about nspluginwrapper |
| 04:18.02 | ldsjohn | and if you do know you have an ia64 your computer needs to be upgraded |
| 04:18.06 | stoned | spammatron! |
| 04:18.08 | freenot | indeed, the packgaing on your cpu usually gives it away though |
| 04:18.27 | ProN00b | epic lulz |
| 04:18.33 | Guerin | ... |
| 04:18.47 | stoned | happy reading |
| 04:18.54 | simonrvn | oh boy, we got a live one here |
| 04:18.54 | freenot | nice to see we can talk about stuff and not get pissy, wd |
| 04:19.01 | simonrvn | freenot: :D |
| 04:19.10 | stoned | prawn |
| 04:19.23 | ldsjohn | hmm grilled prawn |
| 04:19.24 | Guerin | hmm ... more coffee? |
| 04:19.25 | simonrvn | stoned: yummy with stuff or no stuff |
| 04:19.28 | ProN00b | uhm, so what are the actual differences ? |
| 04:19.33 | stoned | batter fried |
| 04:19.36 | stoned | jumbo prawn |
| 04:19.38 | ProN00b | do those ia64's not run x86 code ? |
| 04:19.41 | Guerin | yes, I rather think so. |
| 04:19.41 | ldsjohn | ia64 is intell amd64 is amd |
| 04:19.44 | ldsjohn | yes they can |
| 04:19.49 | Guerin | ProN00b: they do, but not natively. |
| 04:19.56 | stoned | ldsjohn: no |
| 04:19.59 | ProN00b | oO |
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| 04:20.06 | ldsjohn | sure they can |
| 04:20.07 | snowbird | http://rafb.net/p/x5gkv452.html stoned |
| 04:20.08 | simonrvn | x86 is for retards ;p |
| 04:20.09 | Guerin | ldsjohn: but intel also make amd64-compatible gear |
| 04:20.14 | ProN00b | is it likely to find those itaniums nowadays ? |
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| 04:20.19 | freenot | ah the infamous duopoly rears it ugly head again ... |
| 04:20.22 | Guerin | ProN00b: no. |
| 04:20.32 | snowbird | stoned shat do i doo? |
| 04:20.33 | ProN00b | ok, thanks |
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| 04:20.35 | stoned | ldsjohn: ia64 is only for certain itanium cpus, while amd64 is for em64t intel, or amd cpus |
| 04:20.39 | stoned | i think |
| 04:20.42 | Guerin | ProN00b: as I said: if you have one, you *know* you have one. |
| 04:20.45 | jetscreamer | a poor retard |
| 04:20.46 | snowbird | looks loke kde is installed |
| 04:20.46 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: so am i |
| 04:20.59 | stoned | oh |
| 04:21.00 | stoned | sorry |
| 04:21.00 | ldsjohn | no ia64 is most intell 64 chips except the newer ones |
| 04:21.04 | stoned | i think it is --config |
| 04:21.13 | socialist | HP still sells a lot of Itaniums |
| 04:21.14 | snowbird | me retarted stoned helping me i think |
| 04:21.15 | stoned | snowbird: try --config instead of --configure |
| 04:21.16 | ProN00b | Guerin, i am thinking about this remote server i am soon going to deploy software on but don't know exactly what arch it is |
| 04:21.22 | snowbird | ok |
| 04:21.24 | socialist | we just bought one a month ago |
| 04:21.33 | jetscreamer | it's --configure -a |
| 04:21.34 | jetscreamer | isn't it |
| 04:21.35 | simonrvn | ProN00b: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 04:21.42 | ldsjohn | their really isn't much difference except ia64 sucked a lot when it came out |
| 04:21.43 | simonrvn | yup |
| 04:21.43 | stoned | jetscreamer: no update alternatives |
| 04:21.44 | stoned | not dpkg |
| 04:21.53 | jetscreamer | update-alternatives --all |
| 04:21.55 | ProN00b | simonrvn, no access until i go there... |
| 04:21.56 | simonrvn | --config for update-alt |
| 04:21.58 | jetscreamer | works every time |
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| 04:22.06 | stoned | eh |
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| 04:22.19 | socialist | I dunno, the itanium box we got is pretty damn fast |
| 04:22.24 | jetscreamer | get to know it and you can hit the enter key fast |
| 04:22.24 | stoned | so does update-alternatives --config blah |
| 04:22.25 | socialist | runs HP-UX |
| 04:22.31 | stoned | into the void |
| 04:22.34 | Guerin | itanium is insanely fast for an extremely specialised set of tasks |
| 04:22.34 | ldsjohn | ia64 has been around for a few years |
| 04:22.37 | jetscreamer | yeah but wtf is blah is the question |
| 04:22.37 | snowbird | thanks stoned il be right ba\ck |
| 04:22.38 | ldsjohn | it came out before amd64 |
| 04:22.41 | stoned | must konqueror the worm |
| 04:22.47 | ldsjohn | they didn't spend a lot of time testing I dont think |
| 04:23.01 | socialist | Guerin: yep, that's how I'd describe it too |
| 04:23.01 | ldsjohn | first ones had tons of errors was almost a full year before 64 bit xp worked stably |
| 04:23.03 | ProN00b | the first thing that came up with google was that on ia64 everything needed to be aligned |
| 04:23.09 | simonrvn | ok, i'm going to sleep before my spelling gets any worse |
| 04:23.18 | Guerin | simonrvn: g'night. |
| 04:23.20 | stoned | I should start reading again |
| 04:23.26 | stoned | I want to re read terry brooks stuff |
| 04:23.31 | stoned | the shannara series |
| 04:23.33 | Guerin | simonrvn: gods, why? |
| 04:23.33 | ldsjohn | linux on an ia64 when it first came out was crap at least in my experienve I had constant crashing |
| 04:23.34 | ldsjohn | ooh |
| 04:23.38 | ldsjohn | awesome serries |
| 04:23.41 | stoned | indeed |
| 04:23.42 | Guerin | simonrvn: read something not written for 12 year-olds |
| 04:23.47 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:23.51 | Guerin | stoned: see above to simonrvn |
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| 04:24.05 | stoned | Guerin: cuz you suck. |
| 04:24.06 | stoned | thats why |
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| 04:24.12 | ldsjohn | first book I ever read was the sword of shannara, when I was like 6, totally changed my life |
| 04:24.13 | stoned | thats right, I said it |
| 04:24.13 | andyp_ | hi |
| 04:24.16 | stoned | booya |
| 04:24.22 | Guerin | stoned: and not for the first time. |
| 04:24.33 | stoned | j/k |
| 04:24.34 | snowbird | thanks stoned |
| 04:24.36 | andyp_ | did a port check only a frew ports go this result http://www.pastebin.ca/657874 |
| 04:24.38 | stoned | snowbird: welcome |
| 04:24.42 | stoned | snowbird: you are on kde now? |
| 04:24.49 | ProN00b | ldsjohn, and now you are in #debian, do you really want to recommend that book ? |
| 04:24.59 | ldsjohn | its an awesome book why not? |
| 04:25.04 | socialist | arrrgh ffs my vmware app is freezing |
| 04:25.12 | snowbird | yeah i was afaid to ask here cause i get peple say i heere and cant do stuff |
| 04:25.24 | Guerin | ldsjohn: it's only an awesome book within the genre of `crappy overblown pulp-fantasy-wank' |
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| 04:25.32 | snowbird | and with my disibilty but after supper i turned on pc and no gui |
| 04:25.41 | freenot | Guerin: you are such a cynic 8-) |
| 04:25.43 | ldsjohn | I figure that buy reading fantasy books and getting into DnD, is what got me in contact with linux geeks |
| 04:25.43 | snowbird | i had some open in router i think |
| 04:25.52 | ldsjohn | and contact with those people got me into programming |
| 04:25.56 | stoned | Guerin: dude.. you are extremely opinionated, in a negative way. Just heads up you know |
| 04:25.58 | ldsjohn | and I now make good money programming |
| 04:25.59 | jetscreamer | cookie cutter series' ... everything is flodded with crap nowadays |
| 04:26.08 | Guerin | if you want fantasy, read Wu Cheng'en - Hesse - Homer |
| 04:26.08 | jetscreamer | plastic crap |
| 04:26.12 | ldsjohn | so I figure I owe a lot to those fantays books |
| 04:26.17 | jetscreamer | no feeling |
| 04:26.23 | ProN00b | ldsjohn, sounds sucky |
| 04:26.26 | snowbird | stoned u nicve man |
| 04:26.27 | Guerin | stoned: i am aware of this, but good to know I'm still hitting the spot. |
| 04:26.42 | Guerin | jetscreamer: WTF, we agree on something! |
| 04:26.43 | stoned | what spot? |
| 04:26.51 | Guerin | stoned: yours, apparently. |
| 04:26.56 | ldsjohn | why is it sucky to read ? |
| 04:27.02 | stoned | i just said it for your betterment, i don't care what you think I'm still readign it and I'm going nto enjoy the hell out of it. |
| 04:27.08 | ProN00b | ldsjohn, it isn't, its sucky to be a stereotype |
| 04:27.10 | jetscreamer | Guerin: only thing we probably don't agree about is my godhood... :) |
| 04:27.16 | Guerin | ldsjohn: it's not. It's sucky to read *crap*. But you're right - better to read crap than not to read at all. |
| 04:27.16 | jetscreamer | j/k |
| 04:27.17 | ldsjohn | terry brooks is a very good author I think |
| 04:27.23 | jetscreamer | brooks is good |
| 04:27.24 | stoned | I agree ldsjohn |
| 04:27.26 | ldsjohn | and he is a nice guy and I have talked to him at book signings |
| 04:27.40 | jetscreamer | i read some of his.. i forget which |
| 04:27.41 | tonsofpcs | how can I reset my machine's fqdn? |
| 04:27.44 | jetscreamer | not the shanarra |
| 04:27.50 | ldsjohn | I bet you think im bad for liking wheel of time too right? |
| 04:27.54 | Guerin | again ... he's goos within the ouevre of `crappy overblown pulp-fantasy-wank' |
| 04:28.01 | yang | Erm, how to install missing packages, when performing dpkg -i package.deb ? apt-get install --fix-missing? |
| 04:28.02 | Guerin | and good, too |
| 04:28.05 | stoned | yes and people like it |
| 04:28.07 | jetscreamer | ah another cookie cutter.. wheel of time |
| 04:28.08 | Guerin | they do |
| 04:28.11 | jetscreamer | it was ok |
| 04:28.12 | ldsjohn | not really |
| 04:28.17 | jetscreamer | but sheesh |
| 04:28.17 | stoned | so what is the problem? |
| 04:28.27 | Guerin | people also like Britney Spears and AFI and Linkin Park and Insane Clown posse |
| 04:28.31 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 04:28.32 | stoned | yes so what? |
| 04:28.42 | jetscreamer | no accounting for taste, or lack thereof |
| 04:28.44 | stoned | live and let live, don't be an asshole |
| 04:28.45 | ldsjohn | what about tracy hicks and the death gate cycle is that a crappy serries |
| 04:28.57 | Guerin | ldsjohn: yes. |
| 04:28.58 | ldsjohn | all of them are very different, dont know how 3 different serries can be from one cookie cutter |
| 04:28.59 | jetscreamer | never heard of it |
| 04:29.24 | jetscreamer | hola derek! |
| 04:29.51 | Guerin | ldsjohn: read Joseph Campbell to find out the difference between good and bad cookie-cutter |
| 04:29.51 | ldsjohn | so are there any actual good fantasy books in your opinion, or shoudl we just read nothing at all? |
| 04:29.51 | stoned | ldsjohn: you are throwing pearls in front of a swine so to speak :) |
| 04:29.51 | jetscreamer | just a cookie cutter style |
| 04:29.51 | jetscreamer | sos |
| 04:29.52 | jetscreamer | dd |
| 04:29.52 | stoned | ldsjohn: ignore it |
| 04:30.05 | Guerin | ldsjohn: of course there are good fantasy books, I've already named three authors. |
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| 04:30.16 | stoned | yes Guerin is mighty |
| 04:30.18 | jetscreamer | zelazny rocked |
| 04:30.19 | stoned | his opinion is right |
| 04:30.30 | sparr | if im going to delete files provided by a package, would it be more or less debian-way-friendly to divert the files to /dev/null ? |
| 04:30.40 | ldsjohn | I bet you would say hitchikers guide serries was a cookie cutter too right? |
| 04:30.46 | jetscreamer | no |
| 04:30.57 | Guerin | ldsjohn: manifestly not. |
| 04:30.58 | jetscreamer | i bet you would say lord of the rings is if you wanna say that |
| 04:30.59 | stoned | jetscreamer: what about dragonlance man, I like that stuff |
| 04:31.08 | Guerin | for pseudo-fantasy, even Neal Stephenson does a good job |
| 04:31.10 | lfs | I installed libpoker-eval-dev and I get this error |
| 04:31.11 | cast | OT question: anyone know why this proftpd disconnects me after i've grabbed a single file with get -R in ncftp? |
| 04:31.16 | lfs | /usr/include/poker-eval/rules_std.h:29:30: error: pokereval_export.h: No such file or directory |
| 04:31.17 | stoned | I like elves and gnomes and dragons and other races and imagery of nice green fantasy type landscapes and magic |
| 04:31.20 | stoned | so what |
| 04:31.23 | lfs | SHould I file a bug report? |
| 04:31.28 | jetscreamer | so do i... so what |
| 04:31.32 | stoned | exactly |
| 04:31.38 | jetscreamer | i hate unoriginality |
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| 04:31.45 | jetscreamer | or something |
| 04:32.00 | Guerin | stoned: nothing wrong with that. But that's not what's at issue. The point is that any setting can be done well or badly. |
| 04:32.14 | ldsjohn | well I dont know as long as there are enough differences in the charecters, and changes in the story its not hard to let yourself get into a world and just stop thinking so much about it |
| 04:32.24 | yigal | does anyone use FIAIF for a firewall helper? |
| 04:32.46 | lfs | Remember to donate to Kucinich. |
| 04:32.51 | yigal | if so I am getting "Syntax errors in FIAF configuration files detected" for sid? |
| 04:32.55 | Guerin | lfs: now you're just trolling. |
| 04:32.56 | stoned | Guerin: if I happen to the like the books you say are crap, then how could it have been done badly, I ask you? To me it is awesome, to you its done badly. We're not going to see eye to eye on this, so just let it go |
| 04:33.05 | jetscreamer | so if you're made ot wrinte 10's of thousands of 'lines' as punishment in school, that is training you, pavlov style, to not like to write |
| 04:33.06 | lfs | I asked a question |
| 04:33.09 | jetscreamer | write |
| 04:33.23 | yigal | lfs: what question :) |
| 04:33.30 | Guerin | lfs: what branch of debian? |
| 04:33.31 | cast | ~$ apt-file list libpoker-eval-dev|grep pokereval_export.h -> usr/include/poker-eval/pokereval_export.h; so its certainly there |
| 04:33.35 | Guerin | yigal: scroll up |
| 04:33.38 | lfs | Should I file a bug report? |
| 04:33.40 | yigal | Guerin: lazy |
| 04:33.43 | lfs | stable |
| 04:33.57 | Guerin | lfs: let me verify |
| 04:34.30 | jetscreamer | stoned: you just don't know any better... it's not your fault, it's the data available to you. |
| 04:34.44 | jetscreamer | it's just the way thiings are now |
| 04:34.59 | jetscreamer | aka 'carap floats' |
| 04:35.01 | jetscreamer | err |
| 04:35.04 | jetscreamer | crap floats |
| 04:35.05 | yigal | so talking about the data does anyone use FIAF for a firewall helper at all? |
| 04:35.14 | jetscreamer | wtf is fiaf |
| 04:35.15 | Guerin | lfs: what version of the package? |
| 04:35.15 | stoned | jetscreamer: what are you talking about? |
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| 04:35.33 | ldsjohn | its funny how close this discusion brings to the attitued in general that the linux comunity as a whole seems to have gained over the past while |
| 04:35.34 | jetscreamer | see, you aren't even allowed to process simple data |
| 04:35.38 | yigal | jetscreamer: excuse me FIAIF |
| 04:35.47 | jetscreamer | yigal: ok but what is it |
| 04:35.51 | Guerin | ldsjohn: what's that? That crap things are crap? |
| 04:35.51 | stoned | jetscreamer: ? |
| 04:36.00 | yigal | Flaif is an Intelligent Firewall |
| 04:36.07 | jetscreamer | !flaif |
| 04:36.09 | freenot | the linux community is a hole? |
| 04:36.12 | stoned | jetscreamer: are you calling me stupid? |
| 04:36.17 | yigal | s/l/i |
| 04:36.25 | jetscreamer | stoned: no... should i? |
| 04:36.30 | stoned | what are you going on about? |
| 04:36.44 | jetscreamer | stoned: why can't you tell? |
| 04:36.46 | stoned | I mean I have no idea what you are talking about |
| 04:36.48 | freenot | i use Arno's Firewall ... is kinda eclectic but solid |
| 04:36.48 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 04:36.50 | stoned | absolutely no clue |
| 04:36.56 | stoned | I'm like where did this come from |
| 04:36.57 | Guerin | i use iptables.sh |
| 04:37.07 | yigal | does Arno use GNOME? |
| 04:37.14 | ldsjohn | people who think they are better than the rest of the world because they have some sort of refined ability or inside knowledge, and dont want to share it, no need to explain themselves but they can bash anything and everything because they are on some higher level |
| 04:37.15 | lfs | How to get version of package? |
| 04:37.19 | jetscreamer | stoned: it's just the way it is... the world is full of crap |
| 04:37.22 | ldsjohn | obviosly any book that is good sucks |
| 04:37.23 | Guerin | lfs: dpkg -l |grep packagename |
| 04:37.25 | yigal | freenot: does Arno use GNOME? |
| 04:37.29 | stoned | oh you're talking about crap fantasy books? |
| 04:37.42 | Guerin | lfs: no, that's an oxymoron |
| 04:37.43 | freenot | yigal: is command line only |
| 04:37.44 | Guerin | argh |
| 04:37.44 | ProN00b | why can't i select ext2 anymore when partitioning with the installer ? |
| 04:37.48 | lfs | ii libpoker-eval- 133.0-1 poker hand evaluator library development fil |
| 04:37.48 | lfs | lfs@Debian:~$ |
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| 04:37.51 | Guerin | ldsjohn: no, that's an oxymoron |
| 04:37.58 | ldsjohn | no im talking about the whole attitude, if its popular it sucks |
| 04:38.04 | jetscreamer | stoned: more like more |
| 04:38.16 | Guerin | lfs: mine installs fine, so I expect you have other problems with your install. |
| 04:38.16 | stoned | wow |
| 04:38.21 | yigal | freenot: great! i think i will try to use that then, because fiaif is doa as far as i can tell |
| 04:38.23 | stoned | this is some seriously blazing hot shit |
| 04:38.28 | stoned | I'm in space man |
| 04:38.34 | stoned | I have no idea what you are talking about |
| 04:38.34 | lfs | It installs, but the files are not consistent |
| 04:38.41 | stoned | that guy wasn't kidding, this is some damn good shit |
| 04:38.45 | stoned | anyway |
| 04:38.50 | lfs | I have to go in to the libs and fix it |
| 04:38.54 | stoned | ahem so yeh, word. |
| 04:38.56 | Guerin | ldsjohn: that's just sour grapes. Plenty of popular shit doesn't suck, but *being* popular doesn't make things not suck. |
| 04:39.16 | stoned | Guerin: you're a trip man :) |
| 04:39.28 | stoned | you are something |
| 04:39.28 | yigal | freenot: i like apt's description of the package - i will give it a shot |
| 04:39.30 | freenot | yigal: yeah, is simple, get the packages, read through the /docs, readme, example and edit, as long as you aren't too cutting edge, the example one should just work |
| 04:39.32 | Guerin | stoned: first hit is free, here's my cell# |
| 04:39.35 | freenot | yigal: k |
| 04:39.51 | lfs | I shouldn't have to go into the .h files should I on -dev package? |
| 04:40.02 | jetscreamer | you drggies |
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| 04:40.04 | Guerin | lfs: no. I don't on my etch box. |
| 04:40.14 | jetscreamer | draggies |
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| 04:40.24 | lfs | So I should file bug report? |
| 04:40.27 | yigal | freenot: wireless should be fine ? |
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| 04:40.40 | Guerin | lfs: no, because it's a problem with your own local system - mine works fine. |
| 04:40.51 | Guerin | lfs: dig deeper, or get a third opinion. |
| 04:40.54 | freenot | yigal: honestly can't say, have a look |
| 04:40.56 | jetscreamer | i got 1.8 over my wireless locally |
| 04:41.00 | jetscreamer | i like it |
| 04:41.01 | lfs | If you compile one of the example programs you get a problem |
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| 04:41.13 | yigal | freenot: fare enough, thanks for the direction it looks good so far |
| 04:41.16 | Guerin | lfs: oh, not at install time? |
| 04:41.20 | freenot | yigal: yw |
| 04:41.20 | lfs | right |
| 04:41.28 | Guerin | r |
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| 04:41.35 | Guerin | lfs: give me a one-liner to test with |
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| 04:42.56 | lfs | cc /usr/share/doc/libpoker-eval-dev/hcmp2.c |
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| 04:43.18 | lfs | But you have to fix hcmp2.c so include points to poker-eval |
| 04:43.34 | freenot | trying to install Xen-3.0.1 via sources on amd64, 'make world' failed with => Checking check_openssl_devel: *** Check for openssl headers FAILED ... what package do you think it is asking for? i have openssl installed atm |
| 04:43.52 | semprix | guys i already dpkg -i alsa-sources |
| 04:43.55 | Guerin | lfs: else you get /usr/share/doc/libpoker-eval-dev/hcmp2.c:28:24: error: poker_defs.h: No such file or directory and stuff? |
| 04:43.59 | semprix | but still it didnt overwrite the old stuffs |
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| 04:44.25 | lfs | right, but after fixing that there is other errors. |
| 04:44.28 | cast | libssl-dev? |
| 04:44.29 | Guerin | lfs: file a bug, but don't expect it to get fixed -- unless it's a security issue it probably won't be. |
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| 04:45.15 | lfs | when you download the program using the tar.gz file there is a make file that works fine. |
| 04:45.25 | Guerin | lfs: for reference, if you want to troll in #debian you're better off telling people to donate to Bush - some of the folk in here would probably support Kucinich |
| 04:45.31 | Guerin | as frightening as that seems |
| 04:45.40 | freenot | Guerin: haha |
| 04:46.08 | freenot | Guerin: any rellies in southern .au that you know of? |
| 04:46.41 | Guerin | freenot: I have a cousin who moved to Sydney about 10 years ago, otherwise no. |
| 04:46.56 | freenot | Guerin: k, they are part of my family |
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| 04:48.56 | andyp_ | hi |
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| 04:49.51 | andyp_ | can someone remind me of the commnd line for the alsa bar chart |
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| 04:50.40 | mesof | andyp_: alsamixe |
| 04:50.40 | mesof | alsamixer, excuse me |
| 04:51.19 | andyp_ | mesof: thanks without the "e" I think |
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| 04:54.34 | snowbird | stoned were are u from u nice and freidly |
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| 04:56.40 | glguy | is there some common error that would cause the fonts in a gtk application to suddenly distort, almost as if they were being draw a few pixels to far to the right (but overlapping as if they were not) |
| 04:56.49 | glguy | or do I need to ask that in #gtk or related |
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| 04:57.03 | glguy | (usually happens on mouse overs or typing) |
| 04:57.26 | n3kl | Anyone know what the current implementation options available for SCTP are in linux? Is there application support or simply an api by whcih the kernel will choose the appropriate protocol? |
| 04:58.15 | sparr | how can i extract the configuration scripts for a package from the deb? |
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| 04:59.04 | cast | i'd just browse it with mc |
| 04:59.59 | snowbird | i like here |
| 05:00.12 | snowbird | i sit here and poof learn stuff |
| 05:00.43 | Madd_Matt | One can do that snowbird :) |
| 05:02.16 | tsocks | damog: hello ;-) |
| 05:02.31 | snowbird | yeah mad |
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| 05:02.48 | snowbird | i went for supper and when came baclk ahd break in |
| 05:03.01 | snowbird | oops i left someting open |
| 05:03.08 | cast | why do you have odd spacing |
| 05:03.22 | snowbird | cast i ahve dixleia |
| 05:03.31 | snowbird | not good at stuff |
| 05:03.44 | snowbird | a theif cant copy my text |
| 05:03.45 | cast | interesting. so you can't single tap the spacebar? |
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| 05:03.51 | snowbird | no |
| 05:05.02 | cast | i think, for once, i suggest you don't learn python and perhaps perl instead ;P |
| 05:05.25 | snowbird | i won't |
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| 05:05.42 | yigal | well at least you know where you stand |
| 05:06.51 | freenot | s |
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| 05:07.07 | freenot | snowbird: what's with the spaces in your msgs? |
| 05:07.59 | cast | you could write a small perl script for irssi to [Irssi::signal_add("send text","fix_spaces") to strip off the excess spacing if you wanted, i think it would be easy enough |
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| 05:08.55 | Madd_Matt | Er, snowbird, you seem to be typing all your other characters fine -- just not spaces? |
| 05:09.03 | snowbird | oh |
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| 05:09.15 | snowbird | i am slow today i can spell check |
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| 05:09.26 | snowbird | wait when rushed |
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| 05:11.08 | snowbird | cant find dam manual |
| 05:11.13 | Debn00b | got a q? can anyone help me out with webadmin for debian. |
| 05:12.12 | cast | now whats the name of that program that plots a series of connected circles on your screen, where each circle is a host who's size is determined by the amount of traffic sent/recieved from it? |
| 05:12.37 | cast | what pkg is webadmin? |
| 05:12.56 | wingot | Hey guys |
| 05:13.05 | wingot | Just trying to install (compile) catfish, having a problem |
| 05:13.11 | wingot | make: msgfmt: Command not found |
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| 05:13.22 | wingot | Can't figure out what package I need for that |
| 05:13.30 | yigal | to check my firewall is "nmap "my.ip.adre.ss"" a good method or is there a better method? |
| 05:13.34 | snowbird | fish reminds me did i ahve supper |
| 05:13.34 | wingot | Also, why isn't catfish in the deb repos? |
| 05:13.43 | wingot | :) |
| 05:13.47 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:13.49 | cast | gettext: usr/bin/msgfmt |
| 05:13.59 | freenot | yigal: that should be ok, do it from outside your lan |
| 05:14.26 | cast | yigal: that's reasonably good. note that the default scan is -sT or -sS as root, so UDP could still be very open |
| 05:14.50 | yigal | freenot cast: thank you |
| 05:14.56 | wingot | apt-file: command not found |
| 05:14.57 | wingot | ? |
| 05:14.58 | freenot | nmap -P0 address is a good default scan |
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| 05:15.24 | cast | wingot: ....well install it? |
| 05:16.04 | wingot | cast: Sorry, thought it was part of another package |
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| 05:16.18 | Debn00b | this is webadmin http://www.webmin.com/ |
| 05:16.24 | cast | ahh. |
| 05:16.31 | sparr | cast: thanks for the mc tip |
| 05:16.42 | cast | i think general opinion is to not use webmin here |
| 05:16.44 | cast | !webmin |
| 05:16.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality |
| 05:16.55 | Debn00b | im trying to install if for freelink and there is a download but apt-get install cant find the file |
| 05:17.17 | cast | yes, it would appear its not in debian :) |
| 05:17.17 | wingot | cast: Sorry, was confused. Thought you meant that I should do apt-file to find out, but you were showing that gettext is the package |
| 05:17.20 | wingot | Thanks |
| 05:17.32 | cast | wingot: well, you should, next time :) |
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| 05:18.33 | Debn00b | so if webadmin is pants is there an alternitive? i need somthing gui until i learn linux better |
| 05:18.37 | wingot | Hmm, catfish installed, now how do you integrate it into thunar :P |
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| 05:20.10 | Debn00b | ok how about this where should i put the deb files so that apt-get install can find them? |
| 05:20.25 | cast | Debn00b: there's probably alternatives. but they all have the same issue, there's a webserver with root doing root things, which is a bad idea |
| 05:20.36 | cast | Debn00b: the .deb files for what..? |
| 05:20.36 | semprix | Debn00b, dpkg -i deb files |
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| 05:21.25 | Debn00b | semprix it says cannot access archive: No such file or directory |
| 05:21.25 | Debn00b | dpkg: error processing files (--install): |
| 05:21.26 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 05:21.54 | semprix | whats the .deb files for? |
| 05:22.56 | freenot | what si the command to gather output for filing bugs or build errors? |
| 05:22.58 | freenot | is* |
| 05:22.59 | Debn00b | the debfile is for the webadmin to install the full filename is webmin_1.340_all.deb |
| 05:23.33 | cast | Debn00b: my suggest is to not bother and 'learn linux' better right now. notice dpkg said the supplied .debs are 'of extremely poor quality' [though maybe thats changed now] |
| 05:23.37 | Debn00b | however the instructions dont say what to do with the file? |
| 05:23.49 | cast | suggestion is to not bother with webmin* |
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| 05:24.28 | Debn00b | i understand that but its going to take me a long time to learn so i wish to use it in the meantime |
| 05:25.01 | Debn00b | iv only starting using this kurobox for about 3 days or so |
| 05:25.13 | Debn00b | so i am a total linux noob |
| 05:25.44 | Debn00b | so anyone got any ideas where to put files for installing apps for debian? |
| 05:25.56 | tonsofpcs | /home/user/randompath |
| 05:26.15 | semprix | Debn00b, reading the man pages will really help |
| 05:26.38 | cast | Debn00b: why don't you ask what you really want to do, rather than install webmin? |
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| 05:27.31 | Debn00b | coz the last time i asked in another chan i got told to go and learn linux ;) |
| 05:27.45 | semprix | lol |
| 05:28.08 | Debn00b | webadmin would enable me to quickly setup my server so that i can admin it quickly |
| 05:28.11 | dsa | I have had 3 interfaces ...eth0 eth1 eth2 I took out eth0 and now I want eth2 to be eth0 ...how do I do it? |
| 05:28.40 | semprix | learning is a process |
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| 05:28.57 | ls | Hola a todos |
| 05:28.59 | Debn00b | sure is but can do it in a day ;) |
| 05:29.10 | Debn00b | its goning to take me time :) |
| 05:29.23 | ls | anybody speacking spanish? |
| 05:29.29 | Guerin | !es |
| 05:29.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:29.29 | semprix | what kind of server do you want to setup anyway? |
| 05:29.45 | Debn00b | tonsofpcs : /home/user/randompath dont exist? do i have to create it? |
| 05:29.46 | Guerin | Debn00b: that's the only answer you're going to get in here, too. |
| 05:29.57 | ls | [Guerin] |
| 05:29.59 | Guerin | debian doesn't support (or even include) webmin |
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| 05:30.22 | ls | [Guerin] pudes ayudarme en un problema con mis nic |
| 05:30.34 | insomniacincolum | you can install the webmin .deb file from there site without any trouble on Etch |
| 05:30.35 | Debn00b | acording to this doco it does http://linkstationwiki.net/index.php/Webmin_to_remotely_administer_your_LinkStation#_note-4 |
| 05:30.37 | Guerin | ls: I don't speak spanish. Go to #debian-es |
| 05:30.50 | ls | ok thanks |
| 05:30.52 | Guerin | Debn00b: the web doco is wrong. |
| 05:30.53 | ls | sorry |
| 05:30.58 | Guerin | ls: :) |
| 05:31.02 | insomniacincolum | their site I mean |
| 05:31.06 | ls | see yaa |
| 05:31.31 | GhostlyDeath | How do I sort everything in my GNOME menus in alphabetical order? |
| 05:31.45 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 05:31.49 | insomniacincolum | webmin is just considered a Bad Idea on production servers |
| 05:31.59 | Guerin | s/ on production servers |
| 05:32.03 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:32.22 | Debn00b | this is private server and not production |
| 05:32.32 | Guerin | still just as exploitable. |
| 05:32.34 | cast | Debn00b: maybe you should install Windows Server 2003, i hear IIS has a gui ;) |
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| 05:33.04 | Debn00b | would do but kurobox unfortunatly wont support it ;) |
| 05:34.08 | cast | hmm, kurobox looks cool. whats it cost? |
| 05:34.39 | Debn00b | about 20.000yen :) |
| 05:35.38 | freenot | what is the best method for Java in Iceweasel? java or kaffe? |
| 05:35.46 | Guerin | freenot: neither. |
| 05:35.46 | yigal | Debn00b: less than 200$ |
| 05:35.52 | Debn00b | its a nice bit of kit but only runs linux and this is my first time with linux. hence win im looking to setup some sort of way to setup quickly |
| 05:35.53 | freenot | Guerin: k |
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| 05:36.05 | Debn00b | yes |
| 05:36.29 | Guerin | freenot: i have gcj-webplugin on one box, but it's amazingly crap |
| 05:36.33 | freenot | Guerin: so the solution is? |
| 05:36.39 | freenot | ah k |
| 05:36.45 | insomniacincolum | Without knowing some fundamentals, webmin may well cause you more problems than it solves. |
| 05:36.48 | Guerin | freenot: dunno. I don't really need java. |
| 05:37.09 | freenot | i use gmail and it needs a bit of java support to be functional |
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| 05:37.22 | Guerin | WTF |
| 05:37.25 | Guerin | seriously? |
| 05:37.35 | Guerin | gods, I'm glad I only use it as a washer |
| 05:37.36 | freenot | yes, some functionality is missing without it |
| 05:38.10 | Debn00b | it could also take me months just to learn basic commands. |
| 05:38.24 | Guerin | Debn00b: only if you're extremely imprevious to learning. |
| 05:38.24 | cast | it doesn't need java support to be functional, it needs javascript to enable all its functionality, though [i think?] |
| 05:38.29 | Debn00b | at the moment i cant even use it as ftp |
| 05:38.38 | Guerin | it needs javascript to do practically anything |
| 05:38.46 | Debn00b | i dont even know what the file structure is |
| 05:38.49 | Guerin | java i wasn't aware of, but |
| 05:38.56 | insomniacincolum | Do you need a headless server ? Definitely have to have web interface ? |
| 05:38.57 | Guerin | i haven't used it in a while |
| 05:39.00 | freenot | cast: same thing, but perhaps poorly explained by me |
| 05:39.05 | Guerin | Debn00b: /msg dpkg reference |
| 05:39.17 | cast | Guerin: it doesn't need java. and you can use it without javascript, its about what you'd expect... |
| 05:39.19 | Guerin | freenot: java and javascript are *totally* unrelated |
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| 05:39.36 | freenot | Guerin: yeees |
| 05:39.56 | yang | cast: kurobox only has 128 MB of ram, that is very few for todays standards... |
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| 05:40.16 | insomniacincolum | www.webmin.com has the .deb if you're dying to have it. |
| 05:40.22 | cast | yang: that's plenty. |
| 05:40.53 | Debn00b | iv downloaded it but the problem is it cant find the file? |
| 05:40.57 | yang | cast: well you definitelly cant use mozilla with it :/ |
| 05:40.58 | freenot | k, so it needs *javascript* to run better |
| 05:41.16 | freenot | just switched it off and it looks *ugly* |
| 05:41.25 | enouf | they both suck ass |
| 05:41.28 | insomniacincolum | which version are you using ? Etch ? |
| 05:41.40 | Debn00b | what is etch? |
| 05:41.57 | yigal | Debn00b: are you in the right place? |
| 05:42.03 | freenot | !google debian etch |
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| 05:42.08 | insomniacincolum | Debn00b is a plant |
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| 05:42.18 | freenot | haha, from 1 redmond way |
| 05:42.20 | cast | yang: shame it doesn't have a sata controller |
| 05:42.24 | insomniacincolum | not a bot though |
| 05:42.56 | jeffwheeler | I wanna give KDE a chance, but I want to make sure I can remove all the apps it installs easily if I want to revert. I remember dpkg has some one-liner, but I can't remember the message for it. |
| 05:43.00 | freenot | Guerin: my javascript is enabled but gmail isn't quite working 100%, might be an iceweasel thing, ff 2.0.0.5 was no worries |
| 05:43.06 | insomniacincolum | I have to keep answering Debn00b's questions though, because someone answered mine. |
| 05:43.11 | jeffwheeler | Anybody know how to remove the packages again if I need to? |
| 05:43.20 | Debn00b | mine has sata |
| 05:43.25 | Guerin | freenot: ff=iw |
| 05:43.27 | Debn00b | its kuroboxpro |
| 05:43.34 | Guerin | they're identical except for some branding |
| 05:43.37 | freenot | Guerin: yes |
| 05:43.53 | freenot | hmm, so why the weirdness? |
| 05:43.54 | Guerin | so your problems are likely not to do with iceweasel |
| 05:43.58 | Guerin | no clue |
| 05:44.00 | Debn00b | and better hardware support |
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| 05:44.11 | jeffwheeler | nevermind; I got it, `aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a` |
| 05:44.22 | Guerin | jeffwheeler: yeh |
| 05:44.27 | Guerin | jeffwheeler: /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 05:44.32 | yang | cast: just buy a sparc instead if you want to play, you can get it for <10 E on ebay |
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| 05:44.41 | jeffwheeler | Guerin: yep, I knew there was one, and I finally got it |
| 05:44.47 | Guerin | bravo sah |
| 05:44.50 | jeffwheeler | :) |
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| 05:45.21 | Debn00b | ok so !google debian etch and it tells me its a free os? |
| 05:45.41 | Guerin | well ... it is |
| 05:45.43 | cast | yang: well, i like low power things - but vias boards/cpus are quite expensive |
| 05:46.15 | ls | anybody can help me with a nic configuration problem |
| 05:46.30 | Debn00b | so if iv read the question correct my "etch" is feelink |
| 05:46.38 | cast | the only problem with it is it comes with a 110V psu :| |
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| 05:46.51 | semprix | ls whats up |
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| 05:47.01 | Debn00b | cast are you talking about kuroboxpro? |
| 05:47.22 | cast | Debn00b: yus |
| 05:47.28 | ls | semprix: the kernerl detect my´s nic in a ecual eth |
| 05:47.45 | ls | semprix: the kernerl detect my´s nic in a same interface |
| 05:49.02 | semprix | ls, i dont understand :( |
| 05:49.23 | ls | rtl8139 in eth0 and dm9102 in eth0 too |
| 05:50.35 | ls | |
| 05:50.35 | ls | the two plates of network are detected in the same interface |
| 05:50.53 | Debn00b | so no one can answer my question? "where do i place downloaded files for installing on freelink debian?" |
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| 05:51.42 | Guerin | freelink debian, whatever that is, ain't supported here |
| 05:52.17 | Guerin | ls: use ifrename to fix them |
| 05:52.24 | Debn00b | its a cutdown ver of debian apparently. |
| 05:52.33 | Guerin | ls: aptitude install ifrename; man ifrename |
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| 05:52.41 | Guerin | Debn00b: nothing to do with us, then. |
| 05:53.02 | Guerin | and probably in breach of trade mark rules |
| 05:53.11 | ls | Guerin: thanks |
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| 05:55.02 | ls | Guerin: i think that it's a conflict with nic |
| 05:55.14 | ls | not with the name |
| 05:55.18 | ls | ???? |
| 05:55.34 | ls | directry not detect separatly |
| 05:55.59 | Debn00b | look guerin if you dont know the answer then just say. no need to mince around. anyway ill go and look for help else where. maybe ill find more friendly help. ; |
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| 05:56.20 | semprix | ls, have you tried plugginf |
| 05:56.28 | semprix | in the first one first |
| 05:56.30 | Guerin | ls: nope, because if it was, they wouldn't both come up. |
| 05:56.42 | Guerin | !customer |
| 05:56.42 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 05:58.42 | semprix | ok this is strange going on here |
| 05:58.48 | semprix | everytime i visit a page |
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| 06:00.07 | semprix | it gives me an operation timeout |
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| 06:00.17 | semprix | and refreshing it will pull up the page |
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| 06:00.43 | ls | the problem isnt resolve |
| 06:00.51 | ls | :( |
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| 06:01.07 | sleek | is there any known issue with ICH4 sound card ? |
| 06:01.22 | sleek | mine is enabled and disabled at random during startu |
| 06:01.32 | sleek | so I have to reboot a lot to get it on. |
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| 06:02.53 | semprix | sleek, im going nuts on my nVidia sound |
| 06:03.02 | semprix | ive been googling the whole day |
| 06:03.26 | sleek | this is a piece of shit I wont buy in the future. |
| 06:03.34 | sleek | but it's in my laptop.. nothing I can do there :( |
| 06:03.51 | sleek | I'm thinking it's a hardware bug. |
| 06:05.24 | semprix | are you using alsa? |
| 06:05.28 | sleek | yes |
| 06:05.39 | sleek | I'll give you what lspci -v says |
| 06:05.42 | semprix | ask #alsa |
| 06:05.55 | semprix | they can help you |
| 06:05.58 | semprix | :) |
| 06:06.18 | ls | Guerin: thank problem solve. i was bad do configuration of ifrename |
| 06:06.22 | sleek | http://paste.debian.net/34660 |
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| 06:10.53 | locoo | hi... somebody tell me how can i install firefox flash plugin on debian x86_64?? |
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| 06:11.44 | locoo | :( |
| 06:11.50 | semprix | locoo, |
| 06:11.56 | cast | locoo: google, theres a few howtos |
| 06:12.18 | locoo | ok.. thanks |
| 06:12.30 | semprix | flashplugin-nonfree |
| 06:13.12 | semprix | or you can visit sites which needs flash-plugin |
| 06:13.27 | cast | semprix: thats 32bit, hes running the AMD64 port |
| 06:13.45 | cast | semprix: he has to either setup a chroot or use ndswrapper[sp?] |
| 06:13.58 | semprix | ohh |
| 06:14.08 | semprix | didnt saw |
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| 06:16.22 | Foo_ | when is lenny due to go stable? |
| 06:16.24 | cast | uh, i think i mean nspluginwrapper. ndis is the wireless lan thingy |
| 06:16.30 | cast | !wir |
| 06:16.30 | dpkg | wir is probably When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 06:18.17 | Foo_ | How long was it between sarge and etch? |
| 06:18.36 | cast | Foo_: dunno. its written on debian.org somewhere, probably in wikipedia too. |
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| 06:25.13 | tosunyus | hi everyone |
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| 06:26.02 | streuner_ | Foo_: /msg dpkg sarge ; /msg dpkg etch - and find it out |
| 06:26.11 | ProN00b | installing debian in a 64bit qemu on a 32bit host on a amd1800+ is pure joy |
| 06:26.37 | cast | and completely utterly pointless? |
| 06:27.15 | cast | i suppose you could be a dev |
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| 06:28.34 | ProN00b | cast, yeah, need to code a exploit for a 64bit target |
| 06:28.45 | ProN00b | i guess that counts as "dev" |
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| 06:29.30 | socialist | goddamn #ubuntu is useless |
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| 06:29.57 | cast | i presume debian amd64 uses the NX bit? |
| 06:31.03 | ProN00b | cast, hmm, i wonder |
| 06:31.20 | ProN00b | cast, but will stack be nx'ed ? |
| 06:31.32 | ProN00b | i mean that would surely break compatibility with some things, won't it ? |
| 06:32.17 | cast | nfi. |
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| 06:34.16 | ProN00b | "nfi" ? |
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| 06:36.24 | socialist | anyone here maybe know something about splashy or usplash? |
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| 06:40.04 | rafaelfeito | socialist: a little |
| 06:40.45 | cast | !nfi |
| 06:40.46 | dpkg | hmm... nfi is No Fucking Idea |
| 06:40.54 | socialist | well splashy is leaving weird little artifacts on my desktop after booting, and I'm trying to see if you really have to write C code to make usplash themes |
| 06:41.11 | socialist | and apparently you do, which is close to the dumbest thing I've ever seen |
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| 06:42.56 | rafaelfeito | no, you only have to make images in correct resolution, such 1024x768 and run some scripts |
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| 06:43.49 | Wintre | Hi. Anybody have any advice on having a server with an encrypted /var? Specifically I'm concerned about starting the mail system before the thing's mounted correctly |
| 06:44.12 | cast | Wintre: i have an encrypted /var, should be alright |
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| 06:44.29 | cast | Wintre: check where /etc/init.d/cryptdisks-early is in the boto sequence |
| 06:44.39 | Wintre | cast: This is for a colo server |
| 06:44.43 | cast | Wintre: it'll be pretty early, since y ou can't log till var becomes avail |
| 06:45.03 | Wintre | Right, so that's not going to work, because I'll need to ssh in to mount /var. |
| 06:45.09 | Wintre | And, of course, system logs will need to be there. |
| 06:45.42 | Wintre | Putting mail elsewhere and encrypting that will probably be the better solution. |
| 06:45.43 | rafaelfeito | socialist: I'm talking about usplash(i don't know how is in splashy). after some scripts you'll have one image .so |
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| 06:47.20 | sleek | is there a way to map an unmapped hardware ? |
| 06:47.20 | Wintre | (or going crazy with the LVM and encrypting just /var/mail) |
| 06:47.44 | Wintre | cast: Does Debian have a sensible way for the box admin to introduce his own dependencies between the init scripts? |
| 06:49.15 | Wintre | hm, or something like warning a package not to change update-rc.d settings? |
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| 06:49.27 | socialist | rafaelfeito: well I think I can change the background fairly easily like that, but if I want a progress bar or custom font or any of that, I have to write C |
| 06:49.56 | sleek | you have to do the same thing in gtk, afaik |
| 06:50.13 | socialist | yeah but this is just a boot splash theme |
| 06:50.48 | socialist | it's like having to write code to change your desktop background |
| 06:51.00 | socialist | it's not that I can't, it's just stupid that I have to |
| 06:51.40 | sleek | progress bar is dynamic right ? |
| 06:51.55 | socialist | in some way or another I believe so |
| 06:51.56 | sleek | it's nothing like a desktop background |
| 06:52.14 | sleek | how do you make a screensaver ? |
| 06:52.25 | sleek | by coding, I believe |
| 06:52.35 | socialist | hardly the same thing, almost all those graphics are custom |
| 06:52.48 | socialist | we're talking a background and a progress bar, that's it |
| 06:52.50 | sleek | sigh |
| 06:53.17 | rafaelfeito | socialist: I'm not sure, but I agree with you. for big changes in a theme, it's need write C i think |
| 06:53.18 | sleek | you can replace the background image easily, if it's not hard linked in the code |
| 06:53.24 | cast | Wintre: for what reason are you wanting to encrypt /var? |
| 06:53.25 | litage|w | if ``traceroute -In -p 22 domain.com'' says it takes 250ms to reach the host, why would ssh'ing and scp'ing to that same host take >60 seconds before prompting for a password? |
| 06:53.37 | Wintre | cast: Server's in a co-lo with hotswap disks. |
| 06:53.44 | socialist | sleek: take a look at splashy, it's not very stable but their method is sensible |
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| 06:54.04 | Wintre | Mostly, I don't really want sensitive data available in case they happen to get yanked (which is extremely unlikely, I grant) |
| 06:54.28 | Wintre | cast: (paranoia, I guess, given that this is just a personal machine...) |
| 06:55.00 | cast | Wintre: ahh. since any evil worker there could just root the box and get the encryption keys anyway, but i see what you mean |
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| 06:56.06 | Wintre | cast: Eh? I haven't looked very closely into it, but how are they going to get the keys rooting the box? |
| 06:56.19 | Wintre | I thought I had to type in a passphrase to get them activated |
| 06:56.22 | cast | Wintre: well, let me find the cmd... |
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| 06:57.58 | cast | i think its dmsetup table encryptdevname |
| 06:59.19 | Dewi | OT: is there a stable way to access my IMAP mail from windows? I grow weary of Thunderbird's bugginess. Maybe I should just host some webmail thing? |
| 06:59.29 | Wintre | cast: And that prints out the keys? |
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| 07:00.17 | Wintre | Stupid crypto. Why must I actually UNDERSTAND you to use you securely! |
| 07:02.26 | cast | Wintre: it does |
| 07:02.49 | Wintre | Food for thought anyway. |
| 07:03.03 | Wintre | Bitter pill for thought, I guess |
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| 07:03.49 | cast | well, there's also /proc/kcore where you might also be able to find the keys |
| 07:04.23 | Wintre | If they've rooted the box they can easily install trojanized commands too |
| 07:04.26 | cast | but aside from all that, if they have root then cryptsetup can just get backdoored along with everythign else |
| 07:04.30 | cast | indeed. |
| 07:04.34 | Wintre | Or undertake all forms of nefariosity |
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| 07:06.49 | Wintre | Man, I hate security. |
| 07:06.51 | Wintre | Such a pain. |
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| 07:08.03 | cast | if you want to just annoy someoen who stole your hotswap drive, you could derive your passwd from some hardware id, sure its security through obscurity but it would at least stop someone from grabbing it and walking off |
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| 07:08.42 | Wintre | There was a very amusing dm-crypt wiki entry by some guy who encrypted his var and put the key on a USB stick |
| 07:08.52 | cast | i used a smartcard :) |
| 07:09.08 | Wintre | I guess a smartcard is a bit easier to overlook |
| 07:09.24 | cast | well, you need the pin to get the smartcard to decrypt anything |
| 07:09.51 | cast | uh, it was a openpgp cryptocard - to be more clear |
| 07:09.57 | Wintre | But that's for something you're going to have in your posession when you use it, right? Not a server you want to boot remotely. |
| 07:10.15 | cast | indeed, it would be utterly useless to you |
| 07:10.24 | cast | as would the usb stick method, |
| 07:10.31 | Wintre | And the USB stick idea seems fairly marginal for e.g. a laptop |
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| 07:10.47 | Wintre | But instead an attempt to address my problem |
| 07:10.51 | Wintre | Poorly :) |
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| 07:11.34 | cast | i guess you're forced to enter the key over the network |
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| 07:11.50 | Guerin | which is basically pointless |
| 07:12.07 | cast | Guerin: well, why? |
| 07:12.24 | Guerin | cast: you trust your network? |
| 07:12.26 | cast | echo key |gpg -r server -e|nc server port |
| 07:12.35 | Wintre | cast: So perhaps you know - does editing SysV init symlinks with e.g. sysv-rc-conf "stick" during upgrades or other such stuff? |
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| 07:12.41 | cast | we don't have to trust the network, we have ssh, ssl, gpg |
| 07:12.49 | Guerin | (I mean, we all do - but you're clearly paranoid enough to want to encrypt yo shit, so ...) |
| 07:12.53 | cast | Wintre: i don't know |
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| 07:14.03 | cast | Wintre: what part of /var are you wanting to encrypt? just the mail? |
| 07:14.22 | Wintre | So, this machine is going to serve four purposes: host my personal email, host my personal webservice, backup my home machine (and maybe some friends'), and not crash every few goddamn weeks |
| 07:14.39 | Wintre | I'm interested in encrypting the backups, my homedir, and the mail |
| 07:14.57 | cast | Wintre: ok, for your backups you can use duplicity. that doesn't require a trusted server :) |
| 07:15.28 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:15.36 | Wintre | It's not a serious problem for me if I have to log in after the machine reboots once every 8 months and manually bring the backup LV online (presuming I remember to do so), and it sounds like my homedir is manageable via PAM) |
| 07:15.37 | cast | Wintre: you can boot then ssh and mount your homedir, thats no problem. and i'd tend to do the same with mail, boot into a normal system. then ssh in mount, and start the maild, |
| 07:16.00 | Wintre | cast: Yeah, duplicity looks like it's worth considering. |
| 07:17.23 | Wintre | cast: The only issue is enforcing the mail system doesn't start until the spool etc. are in place |
| 07:17.49 | cast | i don't know much about mail, can you just stop exim from automatically starting? |
| 07:18.34 | Wintre | Hacking the startup script might handle that, because it can look for stuff under the "root" of the mail system, and since it's different, it won't automatically get upgraded by dpkg |
| 07:18.34 | cast | update-rc.d -f exim4 remove or some such |
| 07:19.17 | Wintre | cast: Yeah. But I don't want to forget about that some time when I upgrade and have it get turned back on |
| 07:19.33 | cast | i don't think it'll get turned back on, Guerin? |
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| 07:20.21 | Wintre | http://www.shallowsky.com/linux/debnotes.html kind of implies it will. WTF knows how accurate that is, though. |
| 07:20.30 | Guerin | cast: it will if you remove *all* the symlinks - when the package gets updated next |
| 07:21.29 | Guerin | you actually don't want to turn off the mail system - it breaks a lot of stuff. If you're paranoid about the MTA being exploited, use postfix, which chroots itself by default and is designed very proactively for security. |
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| 07:21.36 | cast | well, hmm. /etc/init.d/* gets treated as conf files so will never be modified? |
| 07:21.56 | Guerin | cast: yes, but the symlinks will be recreated on reinstall. |
| 07:21.57 | cast | turning off the mail system is only temporary, for a minute or two while Wintre logs in and enters the passwd |
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| 07:22.02 | Guerin | ah right |
| 07:22.07 | Guerin | i'm not really following |
| 07:22.19 | glguy | Would someone mind recommending an NTP daemon for my particular situation (running debian in a vmware image, debian doesn't know when I suppend the host os, I lose time every time, I just want periodic checks to reset the clock) |
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| 07:22.23 | Wintre | cast: Well, for some relatively short period of time. |
| 07:22.27 | glguy | there seems to be a lot of choice... |
| 07:22.39 | Guerin | glguy: aptitude install ntp-simple |
| 07:22.42 | cast | well, then he can edit /etc/init.d/exim4 to check for its mounted encrypted partition, and not start if its not mounted, and that should survive upgrades :) |
| 07:22.53 | Wintre | Guerin: Mail is half the purpose of the system - I want to ensure that mail doesn't start before its spool etc. are all available |
| 07:23.08 | Guerin | Wintre: ah, I see. |
| 07:23.09 | glguy | Guerin: ntp-simple doesn't appear to exist in "lenny" ? |
| 07:23.20 | Guerin | glguy: hm, might be ntpdate |
| 07:23.21 | glguy | or maybe I need to add something other than "main" |
| 07:23.23 | glguy | ok |
| 07:23.27 | Guerin | no, it's definitely in main |
| 07:23.35 | glguy | yeah, ntpdate is |
| 07:23.41 | Guerin | that's your boy |
| 07:23.46 | glguy | Guerin: would I just want to schedule a cron job? |
| 07:24.05 | Guerin | you could, yep. It'll run at boot otheriwse. |
| 07:24.31 | Guerin | ntpd will stop drift, but won't correct large discrepancies |
| 07:24.36 | Wintre | glguy: You might also want to consider the impact of big jumps in your clock |
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| 07:25.01 | Wintre | Probably trivial, but might be important |
| 07:25.02 | glguy | Wintre: they will always be big forward jumps if that matters? |
| 07:25.39 | glguy | I think it might help if I installed vmware-tools, but I haven't bothered yet :-/ |
| 07:25.42 | Wintre | glguy: Cronjobs might get skipped? |
| 07:25.56 | Wintre | I dunno, just something to think over |
| 07:25.56 | glguy | Would they? |
| 07:26.05 | glguy | I think that recurring ones might get missed |
| 07:26.09 | Wintre | Depends on crond behavior. |
| 07:26.10 | glguy | by skipped ones would be run? |
| 07:26.11 | glguy | ah |
| 07:26.24 | Wintre | I think traditional cron would skip them. Not sure about Debian's. |
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| 07:26.54 | Wintre | Another crypto-related question - can I specify a blocksize to the disk eraser in the installer? |
| 07:27.04 | Wintre | 64k is really, really tiny on 500GB disks. |
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| 07:27.59 | cast | i use a livecd if i want to wipe a hd, personally |
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| 07:28.34 | Wintre | cast: If you ask for encrypted stuff, the installer "erases" the disk with random data |
| 07:29.11 | cast | yes, that annoys me. you can't cancel it. so i just do a custom partitioning job where you that the option of turning off the erase for encrypted partitions |
| 07:29.31 | Wintre | In order to make it harder to figure out what's legit and what's not (whether this is itself full of crack I dunno, since presumably anybody smart enough to go through a disk image is smart enough to analyze ext2 or LVM or any of the structure that's likely to be on there, and realize the trick) |
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| 07:30.29 | cast | well, they do it for two reasons: to wipe the old contents, and to confuse how much of the encrypted partition is being used |
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| 07:31.27 | Mtraker | hi |
| 07:31.39 | Wintre | I guess its efficacy depends largely on what you're encrypting. AIUI you can put the crypto in a couple of places, and I didn't let the damn thing finish to see exactly where it went |
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| 07:31.53 | cast | [you can appreciate if you bought a new HD and it was zeroed out, then you copied your 1gb file onto an encrypted filesystem on it anyone would be able to tell you've copied about 1gb of data onto it, and that the rest was free space] |
| 07:32.04 | Wintre | Yes, obviously |
| 07:32.06 | Guerin | this reminds me of that hidden-partition bidness which became popular recently. |
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| 07:32.14 | cast | Guerin: seems silly to me. |
| 07:32.16 | Mtraker | i've a problem with gdm, don't run keyboard in the init |
| 07:32.41 | cast | trying to protect gigabytes of information is hard enough, but now you want to hide it too? |
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| 07:33.09 | Guerin | cast: ISTR it being mathematically impossible to achieve covincing plausible denial of a hidden partition if an attacker (eg CIA) had access to the volume. |
| 07:33.27 | Wintre | cast: But in the trivial case, you write a normal partition table to the disk, and stick an ext3 filesystem in the first 20 gigs, and garbage in the rest. An attacker can read the partition table, check the ext3 fs, and discover it's intact |
| 07:33.29 | cast | ISTR? |
| 07:33.30 | aeshyama1 | i am installing ekiga from source......i downloaded and installed the dependencies...pwlib and opal from net(ekiga site) but it still says the opal is to be of version 2.28 |
| 07:33.34 | Guerin | which more or less makes it useless for any serious covert stuff. No advantage over GPG. |
| 07:33.40 | Guerin | !istr |
| 07:33.41 | dpkg | istr is, like, I seem to recall/remember |
| 07:33.47 | cast | ahh. |
| 07:34.05 | Guerin | i love plausible deniability |
| 07:34.19 | Guerin | it's a policy at our workplace that everyone has it |
| 07:34.38 | cast | i do recall truecrypt had a recent break in its plausible deniability, [which makes me suspect of truecrypt for including a flawed feature] |
| 07:34.43 | Wintre | guerin: How's it supposed to work? The disk electronics hide the partition unless you know the magic knock or something? |
| 07:34.43 | Guerin | everyone's username/password is public knowledge |
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| 07:35.33 | Guerin | Wintre: no, it's just a hidden partition in an encrpyted sparse file within an encrypted filesystem, which may or may not contain decoy data. it can be nested and all. but not mechanical/electronic - just crypto. |
| 07:36.24 | Guerin | the rub comes when you try to fill a filesystem with a known folume of data. The system must either overwrite the hidden file (destructive), or it must eventuially fill up - at which point you know how big the hidden file is. |
| 07:36.55 | Wintre | What level of attack do they presume, OS APIs? |
| 07:37.31 | Wintre | Otherwise I don't see that the sparseness does much, since that just means size on disk doesn't match size reported by the filesystem code |
| 07:37.36 | Wintre | Or do I overlook something? |
| 07:37.48 | Guerin | I dunno, but my (successful) attack presumes that the CIA gets a hold of your drive, puts it in a trusted machine of theirs, and uses legal or other means to make you reveal the means to open the crypto. |
| 07:38.07 | cast | free trip to egypt? :) |
| 07:38.28 | Guerin | if someone can correct me on this that'd be nice - it'd be good if this was as bullet proof as people make it sound |
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| 07:39.24 | Guerin | ultimately GPG is just as strong - all you need to do is refuse to give the passphrase, and wear whatever consequences that has. |
| 07:39.45 | dondelelcaro | it's really just a STO technique |
| 07:39.58 | Guerin | which then becomes a question of utility, not crypto |
| 07:39.59 | Wintre | dondelelcaro: Sounds sort of like that |
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| 07:40.17 | Wintre | Somebody needs to come up with a good expression for "obscuring a system that's secure in the light of day" |
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| 07:40.30 | Wintre | Since the security isn't *through* obscurity |
| 07:40.46 | Wintre | But adding obscurity on a system otherwise security doesn't hurt |
| 07:41.02 | dondelelcaro | there's nothing wrong with obscurity; you just can't conflate it with granting security. |
| 07:41.10 | Wintre | Indeed |
| 07:41.25 | Guerin | i know a guy who would unplug his usb keyboard and mouse (but leave the plugs hidden) whenever he went away from his machine. |
| 07:41.47 | Guerin | that stopped pretty much everyone from snooping on his emails |
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| 07:41.59 | dondelelcaro | that's what screen lockers are for |
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| 07:42.14 | Guerin | right, but not when passwords are public knowledge |
| 07:42.41 | dondelelcaro | hrm... what's the point of a publicly known password? |
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| 07:43.05 | sleek | I need help with my soundcard :( |
| 07:43.08 | Guerin | at my workplace we sometimes do have legitimate reasons to log in as other people - mostly due to poor backend setup |
| 07:43.35 | Guerin | so all u/p combinations are fsmith/freds |
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| 07:43.46 | dondelelcaro | yuck |
| 07:43.48 | Guerin | yeah |
| 07:44.00 | Guerin | all hell broke loose when one of the dudes changed his password to something else |
| 07:44.05 | dondelelcaro | might as well just not have passwords then |
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| 07:44.17 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: i don't understand why we have them, right. |
| 07:44.39 | Guerin | but - it means everyone has plausible deniability, so all's well. |
| 07:44.52 | Guerin | i just don't use my work box for anything I care even remotely about |
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| 07:45.06 | sleek | it can be useful until someone breaks the password on one machine |
| 07:45.38 | Wintre | guerin: I am almost afraid to ask where you work |
| 07:45.55 | dondelelcaro | it's rather trivially vulnerable to dictionary attacks, so you might as well just consider the passwords broken |
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| 07:48.30 | Guerin | Wintre: we have fairly good physical security, are not exposed on the internet, and are a small enough shop that anyone randomly turning up will have some explaining to do. |
| 07:49.58 | Wintre | You must be doing something interesting, if you have a need for plausible deniability such that you use that u/p scehem |
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| 07:50.35 | Wolfwalker | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:50.54 | Guerin | Wolfwalker: got fast internets? |
| 07:50.54 | Wolfwalker | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:51.10 | Wintre | wolfwalker: netinst |
| 07:51.20 | Wolfwalker | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:51.27 | Guerin | Wolfwalker: you *need* one; you might want more if you have slow internet, but certainly not all of them. |
| 07:51.35 | Wintre | Seems like the easiest way to get just what you want |
| 07:51.38 | Wolfwalker | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:51.41 | Guerin | Wolfwalker: no. |
| 07:51.57 | Wolfwalker | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:51.59 | Wolfwalker | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:52.06 | Wintre | guerin: Got a link for the hidden stuff you were describing? |
| 07:52.11 | Guerin | someone was plowing smoke up your arse |
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| 07:52.20 | Wintre | I'm curious about the rationale for the sparseness |
| 07:52.22 | Wolfwalker | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:52.27 | Guerin | Wintre: i forget the name of it, sorry. Don will probably know. |
| 07:52.34 | Wolfwalker | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:52.43 | Guerin | my understanding is also pretty rudimentary of such things |
| 07:52.50 | Wintre | Eh, I'll probably lose interest before I figure out who that is :) |
| 07:52.52 | Guerin | Wolfwalker: what's your hardware? |
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| 07:53.08 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: is that crypto thing truecrypt? I forget. |
| 07:53.14 | Wintre | Thanks for the input, folks. |
| 07:53.15 | Wintre | Cheers |
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| 07:53.30 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: don't remember, actually. |
| 07:53.46 | Guerin | Wolfwalker: find out what card it is and look the model up on a hardware compatibility list. |
| 07:53.55 | Wolfwalker | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:54.01 | Guerin | ah well, not the end of the world. |
| 07:54.12 | semprix | dondelelcaro, a while ago i dpkg -i alsa-base from unstable |
| 07:54.14 | Guerin | \wdon't tell me; I'm pretty good but I'm not a HCL. |
| 07:54.20 | semprix | but it didnt overwrite my old drivers |
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| 07:54.46 | tarzeau | Eulex: pong |
| 07:54.46 | dondelelcaro | semprix: I said alsa-source, and it won't. You have to m-a a-i alsa; |
| 07:54.48 | semprix | my sound card needs the 0.1.14 |
| 07:54.50 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: do it..? |
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| 07:55.04 | semprix | m-a a-i? |
| 07:55.15 | dondelelcaro | !module-assistant |
| 07:55.16 | dpkg | module-assistant is, like, a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
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| 07:57.12 | Eulex | tarzeau, some guy was asking about mumble in debian |
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| 07:59.11 | tarzeau | Eulex: i have an ITP which doesn't mean nobody else can do the package... |
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| 07:59.54 | Eulex | tarzeau, I think it might have been Dark_Apostrophe, though I miss logs since yesterday |
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| 08:08.55 | JeffH | for a core 2 duo system am I better off buying one 2GB stick or two 1GB sticks of memory? |
| 08:09.06 | alex___ | 2gb |
| 08:09.12 | alex___ | um |
| 08:09.15 | alex___ | two 1gb sticks |
| 08:09.20 | alex___ | means you operate in dualchannel# |
| 08:09.42 | alex___ | how many memory slots does your motherboard have? |
| 08:09.50 | cast | i'd go with dual channel |
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| 08:10.22 | JeffH | alex: haven't chosen a mobo yet.. that was mor a generic question at this point. |
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| 08:10.58 | alex___ | get 2 x 1gb sticks |
| 08:11.07 | cast | in the days of K7 dual channel gave piss all performance increase, so check out if dual channel does do anything |
| 08:11.22 | alex___ | um |
| 08:11.27 | alex___ | single channel = 64bit |
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| 08:11.34 | alex___ | dual = 128bit addressing |
| 08:12.21 | cast | it sounds wrong to say 128bit addressing |
| 08:12.31 | valdyn | alex___: bs |
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| 08:13.48 | alex___ | ual-channel architecture DDR/DDR2 SDRAM describes a motherboard technology that effectively doubles data through output from RAM to the memory controller. Dual channel-enabled memory controllers utilize two 64-bit data channels, resulting in a total bandwidth of 128-bits, to move data from RAM to the CPU. |
| 08:13.57 | alex___ | excuse me? |
| 08:14.23 | valdyn | alex___: you said "addressing", not "bandwidth" |
| 08:14.25 | JeffH | anyone know if Linux supports the Intel 945G/ICH7 chipset? |
| 08:14.56 | valdyn | JeffH: it does |
| 08:15.28 | JeffH | thanks.. looking for a mobo and want to make sure its well supported.. |
| 08:15.45 | alex___ | valdyn, um |
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| 08:16.18 | alex___ | valdyn, 128bit bandwidth in dual channel, can address 128bits of data |
| 08:16.29 | valdyn | alex___: no |
| 08:16.34 | alex___ | valdyn, clarify |
| 08:17.00 | JeffH | are there any 802.11g or n wireless cards that have Linux drivers? |
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| 08:17.18 | moldy | hi |
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| 08:18.20 | valdyn | alex___: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_Channel |
| 08:19.06 | alex___ | valdyn, thats where i got my quote from |
| 08:19.14 | valdyn | alex___: i see |
| 08:19.21 | sleek | AC'97 warm reset still in progress? [0x6] |
| 08:19.22 | sleek | ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:00:1f.5 disabled |
| 08:19.22 | sleek | Intel ICH: probe of 0000:00:1f.5 failed with error -5 |
| 08:19.23 | alex___ | whats the difference between addressing 128bits of data and 128bits of bandwidth? |
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| 08:21.18 | moldy | alex___: afaik, none |
| 08:22.40 | Trewas | 128bit addressing would imply that 2^128 different parts of memory could be addressed, which obviously has no real-world benefit compared to 64bit addressing |
| 08:22.55 | valdyn | alex___: its just a hardware trick to utilise 2 ram banks at once, that doesnt change that its still addressesd and operated on in 64bit chunks |
| 08:23.45 | cast | seeing as gftp is confusing...any suggestions for another graphical ftp client? |
| 08:23.59 | valdyn | alex___: and 32-bit chunks / addresses as long as you run your cpu in 32-bit mode.. |
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| 08:27.59 | alex___ | valdyn, but it still can address 128bits of data at once |
| 08:28.08 | valdyn | alex___: it cant |
| 08:28.12 | alex___ | even tho its a 'trick' |
| 08:28.15 | alex___ | yes it can |
| 08:28.35 | alex___ | we can go around and around in circles here |
| 08:28.38 | valdyn | alex___: it can transfer 128bits quasi parallel |
| 08:28.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Yeah, someone commented that you're behind the mumble package and that you should get to work on it or something, and I said yeah, do so |
| 08:29.00 | valdyn | alex___: no, its not hard if you have some machine programming background ( some, not much at all) |
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| 08:33.37 | alex___ | meh |
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| 08:33.52 | alex___ | it can address 128bit of data |
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| 08:37.17 | DustyBin | what command do you use to unload a kernel module? |
| 08:37.30 | cahoot | modprobe -r |
| 08:37.30 | enouf | itchi: ping xingu ping |
| 08:37.33 | DustyBin | thanks |
| 08:37.35 | zombie_monkey | will vista get fsked up if in install grub? |
| 08:38.08 | zombie_monkey | I'll back up the MBR in any case but anyone know? |
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| 08:38.27 | cast | zombie_monkey: we don't use vista, go ask in ##windows or soemthing |
| 08:38.43 | cast | there might be a grub channel, |
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| 08:39.04 | cahoot | cast, isn't it a valid question if he plans to install debina? |
| 08:39.11 | cahoot | meh |
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| 08:40.32 | Bracki | g |
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| 08:40.47 | enouf | i read a log a few weeks back(?) concerning xingu helping itchi recover his ext3 file system by booting to "init=/bin/sh" removing the journal (tune2fs -O ^has_journal, or similar), )mount -o remount,rw / |
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| 08:40.54 | zombie_monkey | I think it's obvious I'm trying to isntall debian |
| 08:41.01 | enouf | bah .. hit Enter accidentally |
| 08:41.18 | zombie_monkey | "go ask in ##windows" ranks up there with soviet russia jokes on slashdot |
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| 08:41.33 | cast | does it matter? a vista and grub question is more likely to get an answer in those respective channels |
| 08:41.42 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: well go ahead, did you read your backlog? |
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| 08:42.05 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: i've taken over quite a bunch of ITPs |
| 08:42.18 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: i have the package, but the software makes problems |
| 08:42.30 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: so if you want to work on what i have or start from scratch, it's up to you. i don't mind |
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| 08:42.59 | cahoot | zombie_monkey, this maybe applies: http://www.pro-networks.org/forum/about78184.html |
| 08:43.19 | schmitz | anyone know when frankie will be back? |
| 08:43.24 | Guerin | zombie_monkey: it shouldn't do. If it does it's not worth using anyway. (vista, not grub) |
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| 08:43.31 | Guerin | schmitz: there is no frankie. |
| 08:43.45 | schmitz | ? |
| 08:43.54 | schmitz | there is |
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| 08:44.07 | Guerin | schmitz: i assure you frankie is a figment of your imagination. |
| 08:44.38 | schmitz | francesco then |
| 08:44.48 | Guerin | never heard of him either |
| 08:45.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Like I told abrotman yesterday, if someone's willing to teach me to package, okay, but if not - Well, I don't intend to read the Bible equivalent that is the manual. |
| 08:45.21 | schmitz | thanks anyway |
| 08:45.30 | zombie_monkey | I don't intetnd to _use_ vista per se, just keep it on my harddrive for amusement value. it came preinstalled |
| 08:45.42 | Guerin | zombie_monkey: you have a perverse idea of amusement. |
| 08:46.06 | zombie_monkey | seriously, the interface is seriously baroque |
| 08:46.08 | zombie_monkey | byzantine even |
| 08:46.11 | cast | you could return it and get some dollars perhaps |
| 08:46.31 | Guerin | cast: that would imply it has value! |
| 08:46.53 | Guerin | actually, I sold a windows XP home edition upgrade pack for $170 earlier this year in an online auction |
| 08:47.01 | JeffH- | are all core 2 duo's in a LGA775 socket configuration? |
| 08:47.12 | Guerin | JeffH-: #hardware |
| 08:47.13 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 08:47.29 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: and http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/mumble/ |
| 08:48.05 | DustyBin | when lenny eventually goes stable, will it ship with kde4 ? |
| 08:48.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, when I come back home in a couple of hours, I'll have a look |
| 08:48.22 | Guerin | !htfswk DustyBin |
| 08:48.22 | dpkg | DustyBin: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 08:48.29 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: have fun, it's a messy one |
| 08:48.30 | DustyBin | :-0 |
| 08:48.41 | Guerin | DustyBin: since neither are even close to release ... |
| 08:48.58 | DustyBin | so maybe they might then :) |
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| 08:49.04 | Guerin | anything's possible |
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| 08:49.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Well, I can't compile it.. it produces no binary. So packages would be nice. |
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| 08:50.43 | jair | hello guys |
| 08:50.46 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: well i'm working on it |
| 08:50.55 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: i can produce the binaries but i have another problem |
| 08:51.09 | jair | guys, if someone run the command => --remove-all-files there is no way to recover them if a back up was not done? |
| 08:51.45 | DustyBin | jair try using a recovery tool |
| 08:51.50 | cast | there's probably a way, it just depends how much time/money you want to use |
| 08:52.04 | jair | I want to use all the time needed |
| 08:52.09 | alex___ | JeffH-, yes |
| 08:52.13 | jair | I just ran the command now |
| 08:52.21 | DustyBin | make sure u switch off that drive without doing anything else |
| 08:52.34 | sep | is it somehow possible to disable the host key checking for 1 ip address in ssh only ? i have a ip address with several ssh machines behind, eash on a different port. and it's anoying having to edit known_hosts for each new connection |
| 08:52.45 | cast | umount the partition, search for tools to recover files from that filesystem, you'll be in luck if its fat, no luck if its XFS me thinks |
| 08:53.06 | DustyBin | what about ext3 ? |
| 08:53.37 | sep | !undelete |
| 08:53.37 | dpkg | undelete is probably great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems. |
| 08:53.45 | sep | DustyBin, or no it wont on ext3 |
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| 08:54.42 | SoulChild | how do i deactivate selinux at boot ??? |
| 08:55.04 | cast | SoulChild: edit your grub menu, remove the selinux=1 flag [that might be it] |
| 08:55.08 | cast | its off by default |
| 08:55.20 | xand | "how did you enable it?" |
| 08:55.40 | SoulChild | cast: but i get a message: unable to mount selinux at /selinux |
| 08:56.44 | dragonheart | ignore it and/or remove it from /etc/fstab (if its there) |
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| 08:57.14 | hcy | hi, after switching my kernel to a debian one (instead of a custom one) which works extremely well, i get "raw1394 - failed to get handle: No such file or directory" when I try to use dvgrab (for capturing from my camcorder over firewire). In my old kernel it worked just fine. Anyone know what I need to do? |
| 08:57.41 | liable | enable forewire in your kernel |
| 08:57.47 | hcy | how? |
| 08:57.48 | liable | firewire even |
| 08:57.54 | enouf | SoulChild: which debian release is that? |
| 08:58.05 | hcy | modprobe raw1394 says Module not found |
| 08:58.19 | hcy | other firewire stuff works fine, like my external firewire drivews |
| 08:58.22 | hcy | drives* |
| 08:58.26 | SoulChild | enouf: lenny |
| 08:58.37 | enouf | see if ohci1394 is apropos |
| 08:58.48 | liable | hcy: modprobe -l|grep 1394 |
| 08:59.06 | enouf | SoulChild: wow.. hrm |
| 08:59.08 | liable | should be there |
| 08:59.28 | hcy | liable: doesn't show anything |
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| 08:59.53 | liable | hcy: uname -r |
| 09:00.11 | liable | hcy: this is a custom one, or debian kernel? |
| 09:00.17 | hcy | liable: 2.6.22-1-686 |
| 09:00.21 | hcy | liable: debian |
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| 09:00.42 | enouf | SoulChild: are those other suggestions working? |
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| 09:00.58 | liable | hcy: strange, lemme check my 22 source |
| 09:01.05 | jair | DustyBin: I think i can with a tool called PhotoRec |
| 09:01.09 | hcy | liable: thanks |
| 09:01.24 | hcy | enouf: modprobing ohci1394 didn't complain, but didn't fix the problem either |
| 09:01.35 | jair | !undelete |
| 09:01.35 | dpkg | it has been said that undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems. |
| 09:01.35 | enouf | heh, might need more |
| 09:01.42 | enouf | hcy: ^^^ |
| 09:01.50 | hcy | enouf: thanks |
| 09:02.01 | hcy | enouf: well, it's complaining about raw1394 |
| 09:02.14 | segmentfault | hey, excuse me to disturb you.. I have a small question. I have a machine, 350mhz with 256 of ram, and a harddrive of 4go. What is the best linux distribution for it ? |
| 09:02.36 | xand | segmentfault: debian of course. |
| 09:02.41 | enouf | hcy: as root modprobe -l | grep 1394 should return a few atleast |
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| 09:02.51 | segmentfault | oh, I was thinking that debian is too powerful for that |
| 09:02.52 | xand | segmentfault: you may want to consider using xfce rather than say gnome |
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| 09:02.59 | hcy | enouf: it doesn't return any |
| 09:03.06 | xand | segmentfault: there's an installer that does that |
| 09:03.07 | liable | hcy: its still in there, hasnt changed names. grep -i 1394 /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 09:03.17 | enouf | hcy that's just odd |
| 09:03.30 | xored | is /etc/ldap/ldap.conf the configuration for slapd or do i need a other one. the one i can see there is quite small compating with the exmaple one of the docs called slapd.conf |
| 09:03.31 | SoulChild | I still get "Mount failed foe selinuxfs on /selinux: No such file or dir",... how to deactivate ??? |
| 09:03.31 | ale666 | hello :) how would i make whois request go thru using iptables, thank you. |
| 09:03.37 | segmentfault | okay, thank you for your answer :-) |
| 09:03.51 | hcy | liable: # grep -i 1394 /boot/config-`uname -r` // # IEEE 1394 (FireWire) support // # CONFIG_IEEE1394 is not set |
| 09:04.05 | enouf | SoulChild: do this as root/sudo/su -> grep -ir selinux /etc/ , might be the /etc/pam.d/* files |
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| 09:04.30 | liable | hcy: thats strange, check the bts, and if a bug hasnt been filed, file one |
| 09:04.38 | loesh | hmm, anyone know where i can find a debian packe of maven 2.0.5 |
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| 09:05.02 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:05.52 | hcy | liable: for what package? the kernel? |
| 09:05.54 | ale666 | i did the following http://rafb.net/p/8TLTkZ97.html and it does not work |
| 09:05.55 | enouf | SoulChild: when did this start happening? a kernel upgrade? |
| 09:05.58 | liable | hcy: yes |
| 09:06.04 | SoulChild | enouf: yes |
| 09:06.24 | enouf | SoulChild: so prior it was fine? no selinux? or .. |
| 09:06.32 | liable | its enabled in debian kernels now. ignore the warning at boot |
| 09:07.04 | SoulChild | enouf: if got many dir's with selinux , see http://de.pastebin.ca/658010 |
| 09:07.21 | SoulChild | enouf: yes prior i dind't get this message ,... |
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| 09:07.48 | enouf | liable: SoulChild so it's only a warning message? your system works fine? |
| 09:07.59 | hcy | liable: any workaround for the meantime? |
| 09:08.20 | SoulChild | enouf: yes it works fine ,.. but i don't like any error messages, so that#s why i want to remove it |
| 09:08.22 | liable | enouf: i do recall seeing that error myself, yeah, but i dont usually use debian kernels |
| 09:08.44 | liable | hcy: apart from compiling a kernel, or possible just the 1394 modules, no :( |
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| 09:09.36 | enouf | SoulChild: lol, well that might just be a bug ... i mean you could try dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$NEW-VERSION to update the initramfs, but don;t trust me on that one (unless others also recommend it) , since this selinux stuff news is all new to me |
| 09:09.53 | hcy | liable: is there a way i can just compile the debian kernel, taking all its settings so i don't have to work hard and for a long time on it, and just add in the raw1394 support? |
| 09:10.19 | SoulChild | enouf: okay,... thanks for your help ,... ;) |
| 09:10.29 | enouf | np |
| 09:10.34 | liable | hcy: copy the config into your source, add the support and build |
| 09:10.41 | liable | hcy: dont forget to make and initrd |
| 09:10.48 | liable | s/and/an/ |
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| 09:11.32 | enouf | liable: make-kpkg for hcy ? |
| 09:11.40 | liable | ya |
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| 09:12.06 | enouf | hcy: /msg dpkg make-kpkg and /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 09:12.13 | hcy | enouf: ok |
| 09:12.25 | liable | hcy: seeing as you mentioned you had a custom kernel before, i didnt go into the fine details as i thought you have some idea |
| 09:12.45 | hcy | liable: i've done custom kernels before but not so successfully |
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| 09:12.53 | hcy | liable: still quite a newbie |
| 09:13.00 | enouf | and i didn't notice he said custom earlier, my bad |
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| 09:13.48 | cast | e16.8.9 is quite nice btw, has compositing :) |
| 09:13.51 | liable | hcy: ok, copy the config into the source (name it .config) run make menuconfig, build with make-kpkg (with --initrd flag) |
| 09:14.15 | hcy | liable: ok, where do i get the source? apt-get something? |
| 09:14.33 | SoulChild | hey my machine boots in 29 seconds (says bootchart) isn#t that great ? |
| 09:14.34 | hcy | liable: i see the config in my /boot directory, right? |
| 09:14.43 | liable | hcy: yes and yes |
| 09:15.00 | liable | linux-source-2.6.22 |
| 09:15.24 | liable | hcy: dont forget to file a bug |
| 09:15.37 | hcy | liable: yeah, i'm having trouble understanding the btw site |
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| 09:16.41 | cast | what greater is never rebooting :) |
| 09:16.54 | enouf | hcy: you mean BTS site? reportbug pkg should help |
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| 09:17.37 | liable | cast: dont start an uptime penis waving competition! :) |
| 09:17.53 | hcy | enouf: thanks |
| 09:18.05 | enouf | hcy: sure |
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| 09:18.50 | cast | liable: well, its my reasoning for thinking time to reboot is pretty insigificant [windows xp beats my box, i'm pretty sure. one should hope so since it wants to reboot everytime i use it] |
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| 09:22.37 | tamino7 | hello there |
| 09:22.55 | tamino7 | I've just installed debian. |
| 09:23.11 | tamino7 | And on the desktop I have default browser epiphany |
| 09:23.23 | tamino7 | how can I install flashplayer for this browser? |
| 09:23.28 | tamino7 | is there maybe any package |
| 09:23.31 | tamino7 | or smth. |
| 09:23.53 | tamino7 | or do I have to install it manually > load .gz file and than install it ? |
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| 09:24.11 | cast | !flash |
| 09:24.11 | dpkg | from memory, flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 09:26.42 | tamino7 | oh. How can I install drvers for my graphic card or drivers for pritty much anything? |
| 09:27.26 | yigal | any suggestion for a simple program for backing up a small system using DVD+-RW? |
| 09:27.34 | themill | tamino7: let's do one thing at a time.... graphics card. What have you done so far? |
| 09:28.00 | tamino7 | nothing.. |
| 09:28.07 | tamino7 | I've just installed debian |
| 09:28.19 | tamino7 | and now I wanna install flash for epiphany |
| 09:28.29 | tamino7 | I have some old box.. |
| 09:28.36 | themill | tamino7: Debian etch? did you select the "desktop" install? |
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| 09:29.00 | DustyBin | do most people here use stock kernels or do you compile your own? |
| 09:29.13 | yigal | tamino7: i do both |
| 09:29.13 | xand | DustyBin: stock... this isn't gentoo ;) |
| 09:29.18 | tamino7 | themill: ofcourse |
| 09:29.27 | thedonvaughn | DustyBin: i compile my own |
| 09:29.29 | themill | DustyBin: I use debian because other people do the hard work for me then ;) |
| 09:29.43 | DustyBin | well, if your installing 2.6.21 with the nvidia driver you have no choice but to compile it |
| 09:29.49 | tamino7 | I have Etch. stable |
| 09:29.54 | yigal | themill: thats what ubuntu does, sorry for the flame war |
| 09:30.02 | themill | tamino7: good ;) So do you have a working graphical login at this stage? |
| 09:30.05 | cast | yigal: i used tar -g+par2, but there is a few backup apps to evaluate, google around and you may find a list - hdup comes to mind |
| 09:30.11 | themill | yigal: *grin8 |
| 09:30.28 | DustyBin | thedonvaughn: why do you compile your own? |
| 09:30.43 | hcy | on a perhaps slightly related note, my firewire harddrives seem to be producing this error over and over again in dmesg (though they still work): firewire_sbp2: status write for unknown orb, firewire_sbp2: sbp2_scsi_abort |
| 09:30.45 | tamino7 | themill: yes... X works fine, just not so fast as on windows... |
| 09:31.27 | themill | tamino7: ok. so you're currently running the vesa driver and you're looking for the proper driver for your graphics card? |
| 09:31.42 | tamino7 | themill: yes.. |
| 09:31.45 | thedonvaughn | DustyBin: I usually stay current with vanilla, and I know my hardware better than debian so I compile my kernel specificly for my machine(s) |
| 09:31.54 | themill | tamino7: do you know what graphics card you have? |
| 09:31.59 | thedonvaughn | DustyBin: now i don't compile ALL my kernels.. just workstations mainly |
| 09:32.03 | tamino7 | themill: it's integrated... |
| 09:32.09 | tamino7 | themill: lemme do lspci |
| 09:32.27 | themill | tamino7: you can paste lspci -n into this website to give you a lot of info: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi |
| 09:32.44 | DustyBin | thedonvaughn: does your kernel run stable when you compile from vanilla |
| 09:32.55 | cast | thedonvaughn: he asked why :P |
| 09:33.31 | thedonvaughn | DustyBin: yup |
| 09:33.54 | DustyBin | thedonvaughn: what version kernel you running on your workstation? |
| 09:34.05 | cast | i suppose on a related note, is there any speed difference between a module and something compiled into linux? |
| 09:34.16 | thedonvaughn | DustyBin: 2.6.22.2, why? |
| 09:34.37 | DustyBin | thedonvaughn: are you running a nvidia driver ? |
| 09:34.39 | yigal | cast: tar + par2 seems perfect for what i need at this time, ty |
| 09:34.54 | thedonvaughn | cast - besides booting and possible loading and de-load of module.. no |
| 09:34.55 | Braindead | cast: never question whether there's a difference or not. it MUST go faster, it's ricer philosophy |
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| 09:36.14 | thedonvaughn | DustyBin: nope |
| 09:36.56 | tamino7 | themill: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi |
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| 09:37.12 | tamino7 | Don't know if u'll see my output.. |
| 09:37.26 | themill | tamino7: unfortunately, it won't show me your input... can you pastebin lspci -n for me? |
| 09:37.33 | themill | !tell tamino7 about pastebin |
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| 09:38.54 | tamino7 | themill: http://pastebin.ca/658029 |
| 09:39.00 | sleek | my problem is exactly the same as described here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2006/05/msg00151.html |
| 09:39.10 | sleek | most annoying :( |
| 09:39.21 | DustyBin | when you compile your own kernel, do you go through a special menu and set all the options you need, or do you need to edit a config file? |
| 09:39.33 | cast | so is that wiki really correct in saying 'There is currently no usable package of flashplugin-nonfree in Debian Stable.'? |
| 09:39.45 | sleek | you can do either one DustyBin |
| 09:39.51 | Guerin | DustyBin: the former is more sane |
| 09:39.54 | thedonvaughn | DustyBin: u can do either or.. basically any "menu" you use is just a frontend to edit the config file |
| 09:39.57 | hcy | liable, enouf: where will apt-get put the linux source once it downloads it? |
| 09:39.59 | Guerin | only madmen edit their kernel .config |
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| 09:40.08 | tamino7 | themill: what do u think? |
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| 09:40.22 | cast | Guerin: <cue 300 scene> |
| 09:40.27 | liable | hcy: /usr/src |
| 09:40.34 | DustyBin | can you guys make sense of the actual kernel source code? |
| 09:40.35 | liable | hcy: you will need to untar it |
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| 09:40.59 | Braindead | DustyBin: where are you getting at? |
| 09:41.00 | hcy | liable: ok, thanks |
| 09:41.07 | vlt | Hello. I just received an AMR file. I think it's kind of audio file but sox can't convert it to wav. Any idea what tool/lib I need? |
| 09:41.32 | DustyBin | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:41.40 | Braindead | DustyBin: so what? |
| 09:41.42 | thedonvaughn | DustyBin: well.. first learn C |
| 09:41.50 | thedonvaughn | but you don't need to know how to read the source to use it anyway :) |
| 09:42.02 | sleek | probably he started with the bootloader |
| 09:42.09 | sleek | that has a lot of magic |
| 09:42.23 | Guerin | cast: heh, I haven't seen it. |
| 09:42.32 | themill | tamino7: ok, You have a via chipset. You might get some mileage from modprobe via-apg; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 09:42.56 | cast | vlt: hmm, looks like you'll need a patent license or some such |
| 09:42.57 | Guerin | vlt: what does `file foo.amr' say? |
| 09:43.01 | tamino7 | themill: what exactly do I have to do? |
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| 09:43.18 | liable | who else has a 2.6.22 kernel install (debian package) ?? |
| 09:43.33 | tamino7 | themill: ain't this for reconfigure mouse, keyboard and monitor: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 09:43.45 | DustyBin | i thought 2.6.22 deb package was in unstable |
| 09:43.49 | themill | tamino7: logout of X and login on console and then type modprobe via-agp; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 09:44.10 | themill | tamino7: it will search for your video card too and look for the right drivers (as well as do kb, mouse etc0 |
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| 09:44.14 | tamino7 | themill: ok. What if anythin goes wrong. I just backup my xorg.conf ? |
| 09:44.36 | themill | tamino7: dpkg-reconfigure will do that for you, but yes, it's always a good idea ;) |
| 09:44.54 | liable | DustyBin: it is |
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| 09:45.45 | tamino7 | ok |
| 09:45.47 | hcy | liable: ok, so i untarred it, i'm in the directory that came out of the tar - linux-source-2.6.22 , menuconfig says command not found |
| 09:45.48 | tamino7 | lemme logout |
| 09:46.07 | liable | hcy: make menuconfig |
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| 09:46.24 | ribasushi | hi |
| 09:46.30 | vlt | Guerin: foo.amr: "data" |
| 09:46.39 | Guerin | vlt: if mplayer or vlc can't play it, chances aren't good it can be played |
| 09:46.51 | vlt | Guerin: vlc fails |
| 09:47.03 | vlt | Guerin: haven't tried mplayer yet |
| 09:47.03 | ribasushi | if I want to change the location of the default mailspool from /var/mail/$user to ~/Mail/mbox where do I look? |
| 09:47.26 | ribasushi | I have already taught procmail to deliver there, but login and Mutt still look at /var/mail/$user |
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| 09:47.37 | ribasushi | I do not have a MAIL variable either |
| 09:47.40 | vlt | Guerin: The first bytes of the file are "#!AMR" |
| 09:47.44 | ribasushi | so where does the default live |
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| 09:47.58 | hcy | liable: thanks |
| 09:48.04 | Guerin | vlt: you might consider googling up the format, there might be a reference encoder |
| 09:48.10 | liable | np |
| 09:48.11 | Guerin | err, decoder |
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| 09:48.18 | vlt | Guerin: Yes, thank you. |
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| 09:48.29 | DustyBin | ribasushi: in postfix i had to edit a postfix config to do that, so take a look at your mutt configs |
| 09:48.40 | gber | hi, i want to prevent that a certain package gets installed, if i pin it with priority -10 will that prevent it from being installed as a dependency? |
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| 09:48.52 | ribasushi | DustyBin: but isn't there a site-wide setting? |
| 09:49.09 | ribasushi | I know I can edit every single apps config out there but this is so counterproductive |
| 09:49.53 | petemc | ribasushi: /etc/Muttrc |
| 09:50.05 | tamino7 | themill: what can I do when there is a selection to choose a driver for my X ? what driver do I have ? I can't look into net couse now I'm on a monitor.. |
| 09:50.20 | DustyBin | ribasushi: im running squirrel webmail, imaps and postfix |
| 09:50.37 | themill | tamino7: does autodetect not work? |
| 09:50.44 | Guerin | themill: what network card have you? |
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| 09:50.46 | Guerin | bah |
| 09:50.50 | Guerin | tamino7: ↑ |
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| 09:50.52 | tamino7 | I choose autodetect, but second point is this.. |
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| 09:51.08 | tamino7 | Guerin ? |
| 09:51.11 | themill | Guerin: it's a via chipset |
| 09:51.22 | themill | VT8601 [Apollo ProMedia] |
| 09:51.24 | ribasushi | I guess I will just pass an option to pam_mail.so and have it set up the env. variable |
| 09:51.26 | Braindead | shitty trident gfx card |
| 09:51.30 | ribasushi | how weird... |
| 09:51.38 | tamino7 | themill: so I choose "via" ? |
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| 09:51.53 | Guerin | then VIA or via is the right one |
| 09:51.58 | tamino7 | ok |
| 09:51.59 | Guerin | if that fails, try vesa |
| 09:52.03 | tamino7 | themill: u agree ? |
| 09:52.08 | tamino7 | it's allready vesa |
| 09:52.15 | Guerin | vesa is worst-case |
| 09:52.19 | tamino7 | :S |
| 09:52.20 | Guerin | only use it if nothing else works |
| 09:52.57 | themill | tamino7: via should be right and it looks like an old enough chip that it should be ok |
| 09:53.19 | themill | tamino7: but I've only ever used one via chip that was considerably newer than that and I was stuck with vesa.... :( |
| 09:53.29 | tamino7 | themill: I choose via with "space" button ? |
| 09:53.58 | gber | is there a way to prevent apt from installing a package under all circumstances? |
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| 09:54.05 | themill | tamino7: yes |
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| 09:55.08 | tamino7 | what about this q. Use kernel framebuffer interface device ? |
| 09:55.10 | tamino7 | yes or no |
| 09:55.21 | tamino7 | what is better for my old card and old computer ? |
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| 09:56.44 | themill | gber: what are you trying to do? apt pulls in packages you need not just for its own amusement. |
| 09:57.08 | themill | tamino7: I've never experimented with it and only ever used "no" |
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| 09:58.53 | tamino7 | themill: ok |
| 09:59.08 | gber | themill: i have to prevent a package (resolvconf) from being installed accidently (pulled in by depends/suggests) since it will hose my system |
| 09:59.13 | tamino7 | how can I restart this season? themill? |
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| 09:59.23 | tamino7 | in kde I just su /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
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| 09:59.29 | tamino7 | how can I do this here in debian |
| 09:59.31 | hcy | liable: so i'm disabling "IEEE 1394 (Firewire) support - alternative stack, EXPERIMENTAL" and enabling the one underneath it -- "IEEE 1394 (FireWire) support", as well as OHCI, SBP-2 and Raw. I'll build them all in, correct? |
| 09:59.50 | themill | tamino7: yes, that's right. /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 09:59.52 | cast | gber: what pkg is it that hoses your system? sounds like you should file a bug against it |
| 09:59.54 | liable | hcy: modules will be fine |
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| 10:00.08 | themill | gber: what's your objection to resolvconf? |
| 10:00.29 | cast | gber: nvm, i read up :) |
| 10:00.34 | hcy | liable: ok, but if i'm always going to be using them, why not just build them in? (guess i don't understand the concept) |
| 10:00.35 | gber | resolveconf is not compatible with virtuozzo, its a virtuozzo not a debian problem |
| 10:00.48 | themill | ahh... i see |
| 10:01.07 | gber | so i need to prevent if from being installed accidently |
| 10:01.09 | cast | could make a fake resolveconf deb |
| 10:01.31 | gber | how about pinning? will a negative priority do? |
| 10:01.37 | Braindead | use equivs. good luck |
| 10:02.00 | tamino7 | themill: hm if I am root how can I make this command work: if I just write /etc/init.d/kdm restart it says that no such file or directory ... |
| 10:02.01 | liable | hcy: you can if you want, but i like to build things that arent absolutely neccessary as modules. the good thing about modules, is if something starts playing up, a module reload generally fixes it (albeit temporarily) |
| 10:02.19 | hcy | liable: ok, thanks |
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| 10:03.15 | themill | tamino7: are you using kdm? gdm? xdm? If you just did the default install, then you probably have dgm |
| 10:03.17 | themill | gdm |
| 10:03.36 | themill | gber: does putting the package on hold through dpkg do it for you? |
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| 10:03.44 | themill | echo "package_name hold" | dpkg --set-selections |
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| 10:04.00 | themill | (can't remember if that stops installations as well as upgrades) |
| 10:04.04 | gber | man apt_preferences says P < 0 prevents the version from being installed, does that apply to dependencies/suggests? |
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| 10:04.56 | Braindead | an unsatisfied dependency still is a unsatisfied dependency. |
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| 10:05.00 | themill | gber: that should work too from my reading of the docs. You can always just try it ;) |
| 10:05.12 | themill | Braindead: it's only a recommends or suggests, it's not a depends |
| 10:05.16 | tamino7 | bah... it ouldn't recognize it :( |
| 10:05.34 | Braindead | themill: then where's the problem? |
| 10:06.13 | themill | gber: you can use -s to simulate apt-get or aptitude operations |
| 10:06.17 | Braindead | aptitude --without-recommends install posftfix for instance |
| 10:06.43 | themill | Braindead: yes, but he'd need to always remember to do that and double check all apt operations. |
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| 10:07.09 | Braindead | themill: aptitude hold resolvconf, or just turn off the recommend install |
| 10:07.22 | themill | Braindead: a permanent solution would be preferable. Especially if it's a shared-admin environment (which it might be) |
| 10:07.34 | themill | Braindead: yes, holds was what I suggested originally |
| 10:07.42 | Braindead | AH I mistook the "postfix" line. |
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| 10:07.58 | Braindead | postfix is a rdepend, so come hell or high water it needs to be satisfied |
| 10:08.26 | hcy | liable: now i do make-kpkg --initrd , correct? from within that same directory |
| 10:08.30 | themill | tamino7: what do you mean? X flickered then crashed? |
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| 10:08.39 | DustyBin | are there any beginners guides out there for compiling and patching a debian kernel? i dont understand where you sym link source code and patches , etc it confuses me |
| 10:08.43 | gber | no, i want to prevent it from being installed accidently |
| 10:09.19 | gber | i'll try to put it on hold in a qemu test install |
| 10:09.42 | themill | gber: either put the package on hold or put it in apt/preferences. You don't need to use qemu to test. look at -s in both apt-get or aptitude |
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| 10:11.12 | gber | ok, thanks |
| 10:11.25 | Braindead | DustyBin: do you really need to compile a kernel? guess not. don't bother. it's not a a rite of passage, it won't make you a man. you've just been asking generic and senseless questions that still don't make any sense. use a linux-image, live happy. |
| 10:11.28 | tamino7 | themill: yes first it flickered and than crashed.. |
| 10:11.36 | hcy | liable: i must've forgotten a flag or something, it didn't do anything |
| 10:11.39 | tamino7 | I am stuck with vesa !! and this isn't so fast.. |
| 10:12.01 | Braindead | tamino7: your trident card on your old piece of junk isn't so fast. face it |
| 10:12.17 | Braindead | try the trident driver. than face the bare facts |
| 10:12.25 | themill | tamino7: ok. can you pastebin the /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 10:12.30 | liable | hcy: make-kpkg --apend-to-version=foo --initrd kernel_image |
| 10:12.42 | DustyBin | Braindead: My Mythtv box is using a Hauppauge Nova-T 500 tv card and there are bugs in the driver but its been resolved in kernel 2.6.21, but as i also need the nvidia driver it also involves compiling and patching the kernel.. |
| 10:12.44 | liable | append* |
| 10:12.53 | themill | Braindead: running under vesa turns a very fast card into a POS, of course. |
| 10:12.56 | hcy | liable: thanks |
| 10:13.12 | tamino7 | themill, just a sec |
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| 10:13.46 | Braindead | DustyBin: tough shit. how did the box run until now? can't you just keep a legacy kernel? |
| 10:14.04 | mesof | text isn't always displaying correctly, as if my graphics driver is bad or something. can anyone help me fix this? |
| 10:14.15 | Braindead | !anyone |
| 10:14.15 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 10:14.17 | themill | DustyBin: can you try .22? |
| 10:14.20 | mesof | even images and things |
| 10:14.20 | DustyBin | Braindead: the tv card locks up and i have to reboot every couple of days |
| 10:14.52 | DustyBin | Braindead: I could keep a legacy kernel but that involves patching what i have never done before |
| 10:15.08 | xand | !kernel compile |
| 10:15.08 | dpkg | well, kernel compile is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
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| 10:15.41 | tamino7 | themill: http://pastebin.ca/658061 |
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| 10:16.22 | KDan | this is more an apache question than a debian question, but I'm having no luck on #apache... I tell apache to send a Cahce-Control header like so: "Cache-Control: public, max-age=2592000, post-check=2592000, pre-check=2592000", in my mod_headers conf file.. it does that, but just before it sends that it also sends "Cache-Control: max-age=2592000".. I have a suspicion IE (which all this charade is for) is ignoring the second header |
| 10:16.35 | KDan | I've tried to find where the first Cache-Control comes from, with no success |
| 10:16.38 | KDan | any ideas? |
| 10:16.40 | themill | DustyBin: you could always try convincing nvidia to GPL their driver :) Or play with the nvidia source code... look for things that would work better if they read MODULE_LICENSE("GPL"); |
| 10:17.01 | DustyBin | i think that is beyond me |
| 10:17.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: What other problem? |
| 10:17.27 | hcy | liable: it's compiling... just to check that i did this correctly... before i did make menuconfig, i copied /boot/config-2.6.22.1-686 to the directory and added a .config extension to it. that's how to get menuconfig to start with the old config, right? |
| 10:19.46 | hcy | liable: or does it have to be called just ".config"? because if so, i should interrupt this and start again |
| 10:19.53 | liable | hcy: not an extension, the file needs to be called .config, ie cp /boot/config/blah /usr/src/blah/.config |
| 10:19.59 | liable | just .config |
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| 10:20.10 | hcy | liable: oh, rats. ok, i'll try again |
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| 10:20.51 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: check the date of the files, just try and see yourself, not so hard. double build problem |
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| 10:21.46 | Muisje | w00t |
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| 10:21.55 | themill | tamino7: odd... there are few errors at all there and none of them should be fatal. You could try disabling dri either by editing xorg.conf or by rerunning dpkg-reconfigure. But that's a long shot as that shouldn't have been a problem. |
| 10:21.57 | Muisje | i just found out you could install debian trough ssh |
| 10:21.58 | xored | how do i qry ldap with slapd ? |
| 10:22.39 | hcy | liable: good thing i asked |
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| 10:23.15 | themill | tamino7: actually, specifying the scan rates for your card might be necessary. I'm not sure if x just ran out of options to try because it didn't like any of them |
| 10:24.31 | tamino7 | themill: so what do u suggest |
| 10:24.36 | tamino7 | for me to try.. |
| 10:25.06 | themill | xored: package ldap-utils has a utility ldapsearch that you can use for command line testing of ldap |
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| 10:25.37 | xored | ah themill i missed a package, thank you |
| 10:25.42 | Muisje | WOOT |
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| 10:27.22 | SerajewelKS | if i hawe two partitions in my table, and there is empty space at the end of the drive, how would i move the last partition to the end of the disk, preserving its size? note that i do not want to move the data in that partition, just the boundary. |
| 10:27.24 | themill | tamino7: do some more googling to see if you can find some better details. Your card should work but I don't know how.... ;) Try using the "trident" driver rather than the via one, actually. |
| 10:27.40 | SerajewelKS | i need to specify the partition size exactly |
| 10:27.52 | tamino7 | themill: lemme try |
| 10:28.25 | Muisje | debian++ |
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| 10:29.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Weird. Why is mumble so notoriously impossible to compile properly? :/ |
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| 10:30.58 | liable | hcy: prolly would have worked anyway, just with kernel deafults, not debian defaults |
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| 10:31.21 | SerajewelKS | actually let me ask my real question |
| 10:31.40 | hcy | liable: *shrug* ok |
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| 10:31.56 | SerajewelKS | i started a gparted move partition operation and cancelled it while it was doing a read-only test of the move, but after it had altered the partition table |
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| 10:32.24 | contrast83 | Greets, everyone... |
| 10:32.25 | hcy | liable: so once this is done, i install it with dpkg -i, put symlinks in / if necessary, edit lilo.conf and run lilo, and reboot? |
| 10:32.31 | SerajewelKS | gpart is unable to find that partition though (it was ext3) and i cannot seem to locate it by moving the definition of sda3 around (yes i am trying to mount ro to be safe) |
| 10:32.44 | liable | hcy: i dont know how much they differ, so doing it with the debian config is the better way |
| 10:32.49 | SerajewelKS | so i'm not sure how to go about recovery |
| 10:33.06 | liable | hcy: yep, you use lilo still? |
| 10:33.22 | hcy | liable: yes, should i be ashamed of that? |
| 10:33.22 | Muisje | Grub vs Lilo |
| 10:33.24 | hcy | ;) |
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| 10:33.24 | Muisje | Who wins? |
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| 10:33.26 | DimGR_lap | hi |
| 10:33.40 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: bad software quality, talk to developer |
| 10:33.42 | liable | hcy: no, just unusual these days |
| 10:34.00 | DimGR_lap | where does Debian puts the html dir for apache ? i am looking for /var/www/html |
| 10:34.12 | hcy | liable: ah. well i suppose i'll switch to grub at some point, then, but right now lilo's working fine so i'd rather not change that |
| 10:34.15 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: i think i'll do some automatic stats on software quality, and needed changes for getting it usable to debian: check http://asdfasdf.debian.net/~tar/lina/ |
| 10:34.16 | SerajewelKS | so did gparted actually write some crap to the drive besides the new partition table? |
| 10:34.24 | contrast83 | Is it possible to pin a package to a certain version if there are 2+ different versions that were packaged for the same release? |
| 10:34.35 | liable | hcy: fair enough |
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| 10:34.54 | SerajewelKS | contrast83: install the one you want and mark it hold |
| 10:35.00 | liable | hcy: installing that kernel is the same as installing any debian kernel |
| 10:35.07 | SerajewelKS | contrast83: apt won't touch it unless you unhold it |
| 10:35.21 | hcy | liable: gotcha |
| 10:35.29 | contrast83 | SerajewelKS: I'm guessing "$ man apt-mark" will give me the details on that? |
| 10:35.46 | xored | i just installed slapd ( openLDAP ) under etch. i have given a rootdn with an SSHA password, but when trying to run a ldapsearch he says i cant get enaugh creds. any suggestions ? |
| 10:35.49 | SerajewelKS | !tell contrast83 about hold |
| 10:35.57 | tamino7 | themill: trident works!! great. |
| 10:36.19 | DimGR_lap | where does Debian puts the html dir for apache ? i am looking for /var/www/html |
| 10:36.22 | themill | tamino7: excellent |
| 10:36.40 | themill | DimGR_lap: /var/www/ have a look in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default |
| 10:36.47 | DimGR_lap | ok |
| 10:37.08 | contrast83 | SerajewelKS: thanks a lot :-) |
| 10:37.26 | SerajewelKS | contrast83: np |
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| 10:37.47 | SerajewelKS | so i have no idea how/why gparted would have altered the partition data during a readonly test, because i can't find that damn partition again |
| 10:38.56 | graytron | maybe a faulty disk |
| 10:39.25 | graytron | my ext3 partition was mounted read-only and today it announced ext3 errors |
| 10:39.33 | SerajewelKS | graytron: the disk is fine |
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| 10:39.48 | SerajewelKS | gparted just butchered the partition table and i can't figure out where this partition was |
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| 10:39.56 | spheard | hi, one of my users wants cakephp. Will I have to do anything as the su to make it available for him? |
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| 10:40.26 | graytron | SerajewelKS :( |
| 10:40.43 | SerajewelKS | graytron: gpart is having little luck finding where it was |
| 10:40.55 | themill | spheard: you can't have your cakephp and eat it too |
| 10:41.11 | SerajewelKS | it's not critical data, just some ripped music that would be simple to rip again, but it would take some time |
| 10:41.18 | contrast83 | SerajewelKS: is there somewhere you could point me to where i could read a little more on that? i'm hoping to implement it into a script. |
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| 10:41.26 | SerajewelKS | hence the reason i didn't take a backup first... i already have the backup :) |
| 10:41.44 | SerajewelKS | contrast83: how many things do you need to hold? |
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| 10:42.34 | SerajewelKS | contrast83: if you're holding a ton of stuff then you might want to consider doing something else entirely, like never upgrading |
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| 10:43.04 | contrast83 | it's only 3 packages... the script is for setting up a newly installed system and i want it to keep those 3 packages from ever being upgraded |
| 10:43.07 | spheard | themill: very helpfull |
| 10:43.08 | spheard | :D |
| 10:43.55 | SerajewelKS | contrast83: which three |
| 10:44.20 | themill | spheard: cakephp is packaged in lenny and sid (not etch). That's all I can tell you about using it though. |
| 10:44.40 | SerajewelKS | contrast83: and your script is for i in package1 package2 package3; do echo $i hold | dpkg --set-selections; done |
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| 10:45.32 | contrast83 | four, actually - katapult and qtcurve-gtk, -gtk2 and -kde3 |
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| 10:45.42 | SerajewelKS | spheard: not to be a dick, but if you're coming here asking how to administrate your production multiuser server, you have no business running a production multiuser server |
| 10:46.00 | SerajewelKS | contrast83: ok, use that script and put those four package names in place |
| 10:46.01 | contrast83 | lol |
| 10:46.13 | spheard | SerajewelKS: sod off |
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| 10:48.01 | contrast83 | cool... sorry, but i'm still pretty fresh at scripting-- i can just put that as one line pretty much anywhere in my actual script (after those packages are installed), right? |
| 10:48.14 | SerajewelKS | correct |
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| 10:49.21 | Uranellus | how do I configure in what runlevel what program should be started? |
| 10:50.00 | contrast83 | so "apt-get install pkg1=version && dpkg -i pkg2 pkg3 pkg4 && for i in package1 package2 package3 package4; do echo $i hold | dpkg --set-selections; done" |
| 10:50.24 | sep | !runlevel |
| 10:50.25 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing rcconf or file-rc instead. |
| 10:50.40 | contrast83 | thanks again, SerajewelKS. You were a big help. Peace :-) |
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| 10:51.53 | Uranellus | or another question: I've installed squid+squidguard .. now upon reboot I've got 2 squids running (besides the squidguards) |
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| 10:53.15 | alex___ | how would i damage a hdd to make it look like a hdd failure? |
| 10:53.22 | alex___ | something via software |
| 10:53.30 | Lacsi | haha, nice question ;> |
| 10:53.30 | alex___ | on debian |
| 10:53.47 | cast | there is a mdadm target to introduce faults |
| 10:54.08 | cast | 'FAULTY is also not true RAID, and it only involves one device. It provides a layer over a true device that can be used to inject faults.' |
| 10:55.41 | alex___ | yes but it really needs to screw the drive too |
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| 10:55.59 | alex___ | ie corrupt the data, |
| 10:56.10 | alex___ | so basicly unrecoverable |
| 10:56.22 | cast | why don't you just cat /dev/urandom > /dev/hda then? |
| 10:56.26 | alex___ | and i dont want to just format it |
| 10:56.38 | moldy | i am setting the language to German in my squirrelmail config, but it seems to have no effect -- everything stays in English. any ideas? |
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| 11:01.17 | Uranellus | cast: that cat line is nasty .D |
| 11:01.51 | Uranellus | alex___: btw .. I'd use dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda |
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| 11:02.32 | StyXman | hi all. I'm fighting, and losing, against udev. is not running some udev rules. as a debugging hook, I use RUN and PROGRAM rules to see what it's detecting, and both methods run a little script that dumps environment and parameters in a file. after plugging in the camera, I can only find the environment, which does not include vendor or product id. anyways, the rule taht come with my distro (debian) that should change the permission of the device is not effe |
| 11:02.49 | petemc | moldy: do you have those locales available on your system? |
| 11:03.15 | moldy | petemc: i am not sure |
| 11:03.25 | petemc | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 11:03.35 | cast | i get faster speeds with cat /dev/zero than dd if=/dev/zero, dunno why - maybe because i'm not setting bs=something-big for dd? |
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| 11:04.13 | petemc | cast: certainly, if im dd'ing a large image, i set bs to the cache size of the disk, often 8 meg |
| 11:04.38 | moldy | petemc: i generated the locales for my language. but i am not sure which locale squirrelmail is trying to select |
| 11:05.05 | petemc | did you check thr squirrelmail wiki? |
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| 11:05.17 | antgel | dpkg: wb |
| 11:05.17 | dpkg | thanks, antgel. It's good to be back. |
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| 11:05.51 | moldy | petemc: http://squirrelmail.org/wiki/TranslateGettext i found this |
| 11:06.11 | petemc | http://squirrelmail.org/wiki/SupportingMultipleLanguages |
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| 11:08.10 | moldy | petemc: can you tellme where SM is installed? |
| 11:08.12 | moldy | (etch) |
| 11:08.30 | antgel | moldy: dpkg -L |
| 11:08.39 | moldy | antgel: thanks |
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| 11:09.17 | themill | moldy: gettext under php is a pig to get working. You need to have the locale installed and an exact match in the locale name between the config setting and the translations to be used. |
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| 11:10.09 | moldy | themill: my current guess is that i need to use iso8859-1 |
| 11:10.12 | moldy | which would suck |
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| 11:12.14 | moldy | got it |
| 11:12.17 | themill | moldy: squirrelmail I believe has a way of providing an "alias" to a locale too. Check the $languages[...]['LOCALE' = array(....) setting. I think it will iterate through them until it gets it to work. UTF-8 should be possible |
| 11:12.18 | xored | is the : egroupware-ldap package gone ? |
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| 11:12.25 | themill | moldy: ahh good ;) |
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| 11:13.03 | moldy | petemc: thanks for the link, i needed to change i18n.php. |
| 11:13.08 | moldy | themill: yep that was it... thanks. |
| 11:13.34 | moldy | although one problem is left: the page is still sent to the browser as iso-8859-1 |
| 11:14.02 | themill | moldy: that will be configured elsewhere in squirrelmail |
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| 11:14.34 | moldy | the strange thing is that the € sign (not included in iso-8859-1 afaik) is displayed correctly |
| 11:15.23 | moldy | ah, never mind -- just needed to refresh the page in firefox |
| 11:15.24 | moldy | nice |
| 11:15.38 | themill | moldy: browsers can try to be clever.... you may even find a different between the "encoding" and "charset" entries in the page info in ff. |
| 11:16.03 | tenzind | Hi, i have debian etch on acer aspire 4710z. Everything works fine except the earphone jack which doesnt work. running alsamixer shows only Master and PCM |
| 11:16.21 | moldy | themill: i only have an "encoding" entry |
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| 11:16.30 | moldy | anyway, it's working :) |
| 11:16.52 | m_pahlevanzadeh | i need to a autobuilder for ncurses |
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| 11:17.03 | m_pahlevanzadeh | do you know same project/ |
| 11:17.04 | m_pahlevanzadeh | ? |
| 11:17.30 | moldy | themill: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch you don't happen to have followed this howto, do you? |
| 11:17.43 | themill | moldy: the charset is shown further down the page in the listbox |
| 11:18.16 | moldy | themill: not in my case... i only have a robots entry there and nothing else |
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| 11:18.46 | moldy | but the important thing is what the webserver sends in the http header... and that seems to be correct now |
| 11:18.47 | themill | moldy: no, never followed that howto but it looks like it covers a lot.. .I might look at it later. I've just had to do this from the programming-the-php end of things for other projects. |
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| 11:19.06 | themill | moldy: all good then |
| 11:19.23 | moldy | the howto mentions that a person named Tomasz Miklas is writing a web-interface for that setup |
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| 11:20.35 | moldy | i would like to know how far he succeeded and wether it is possible to get the code already... googling for the name did not bring up any really useful information |
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| 11:21.17 | moldy | i will likely write a webinterface my own if his one is not released in the not-so-far future... and of course i would like to not do redundant work :) |
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| 11:23.56 | themill | moldy: indeed. it's a fairly generic problem. Actually, rolling that together with an apache auth too is on my list.... |
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| 11:24.25 | themill | moldy: something to make adding and managing users is all that's needed |
| 11:24.30 | moldy | yeah, i am thinking about something like that, too |
| 11:24.48 | moldy | themill: there is a cli interface for root to do this linked in the howto |
| 11:25.00 | moldy | but none for users to change their own settings |
| 11:25.42 | moldy | i think i will write that guy an email and ask if his work is indeed going to be finished in october |
| 11:25.59 | moldy | i am not sure, but i think i found his e-mail address via google :) |
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| 11:27.45 | themill | moldy: excellent. pls let me know how you go |
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| 11:28.25 | xand | !pls |
| 11:28.26 | dpkg | Cud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron. |
| 11:28.29 | xand | :D |
| 11:28.48 | moldy | themill: if you want, you can give me your e-mail and i will CC you |
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| 11:29.38 | themill | xand: behave yourself! |
| 11:29.56 | xand | yes dad |
| 11:30.05 | themill | !kill xand |
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| 11:34.17 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 11:34.17 | dpkg | methinks qotd182 is [zen of unix processes] <teledyn> wait, if false runs and fails as its supposed to, doesn't that mean it succeeded? |
| 11:35.04 | themill | I do like. 'morning abrotman |
| 11:35.41 | tenzind | Hi, i have debian etch on acer aspire 4710z. Everything works fine except the earphone jack which doesnt work. running alsamixer shows only Master and PCM. Do i need to install anything to make the earphone jack work. please help... |
| 11:36.25 | themill | tenzind: are there other switches available within alsamixer? |
| 11:36.49 | themill | tenzind: hit tab to move between screens in alsamixer |
| 11:37.06 | abrotman | themill: hi |
| 11:37.18 | abrotman | tenzind: are all levels up ? |
| 11:37.19 | tenzind | TheMagician, there are playback, capture and All |
| 11:37.32 | tenzind | ohh.. sorry |
| 11:37.46 | tenzind | themill, there are playback, capture and All |
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| 11:38.30 | themill | tenzind: some sound cards have on/off switches like Jack Sense and External Amp. |
| 11:38.41 | tenzind | themill, playback and all shows Master and PCM, capture is blank |
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| 11:39.04 | abrotman | and some ac97 have a glitch where tyou have to pass an option to reverse the headphone/mic |
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| 11:41.33 | Greyhound- | is there a liveCD of Debian etch available? I couldn't find one on debian.org or livecdlist.com... |
| 11:41.41 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 11:41.42 | dpkg | it has been said that livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
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| 11:42.02 | Greyhound- | thanks |
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| 11:51.27 | moldy | i am trying to setup mailman. where is it's admin interface? |
| 11:52.23 | abrotman | <host>/cgi-bin/admin/<listname> |
| 11:52.29 | antgel | !tell moldy about usd |
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| 11:53.15 | moldy | antgel: thanks |
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| 11:56.50 | moldy | antgel: hmm. the readme sais to copy/symlink the apache.conf. but the web interface seems to work even without doing that -- what exactly is the apache.conf needed for? |
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| 11:57.34 | abrotman | cookie! |
| 11:58.17 | antgel | moldy: did the debian package do it for you? if the docs are inconsistent with reality, raise a bug report in the bts |
| 11:58.29 | themill | !cookie abrotman |
| 11:58.39 | moldy | antgel: as far as i see, it did not |
| 11:58.53 | themill | dpkg: wtf? |
| 11:58.53 | dpkg | i heard wtf is Who The Fuck |
| 11:59.02 | themill | yeah thanks... |
| 11:59.11 | themill | what's that bot on |
| 11:59.22 | abrotman | !cookie abrotman |
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| 11:59.38 | abrotman | themill: !cookie finds random factoids with the string in it |
| 12:00.02 | abrotman | those are some really bad video cards :) |
| 12:00.04 | antgel | moldy: it doesn't work by magic. maybe it installs into apache's default cgi-bin. if you want to know what the apache.conf does, read it |
| 12:00.08 | themill | ahh.... yes... I remember now.... I just wanted dpkg to give you a cookie.... |
| 12:00.11 | semprix | !cookie |
| 12:00.22 | antgel | !msg the bot |
| 12:00.22 | dpkg | hmm... msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
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| 12:00.40 | antgel | abrotman: lunch! |
| 12:01.06 | themill | moldy: the apache.conf also sets up the archives for the lists. Have a look in the file |
| 12:01.07 | abrotman | antgel: lettuce! |
| 12:01.24 | semprix | !cookie |
| 12:01.28 | abrotman | semprix: stop already |
| 12:01.31 | antgel | abrotman: don't wind me up! |
| 12:01.36 | themill | !lart semprix |
| 12:01.45 | semprix | lol |
| 12:01.51 | moldy | themill: ahh ok |
| 12:01.53 | antgel | !tell semprix about lol |
| 12:01.54 | abrotman | semprix: if you want to fuck with the bots .. go to #debian-bots |
| 12:01.58 | Ronin | how about you guys use /msg so we dont have to watch that? |
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| 12:02.25 | abrotman | Ronin: how about you stop saying 'eh'! |
| 12:02.27 | antgel | Ronin: but it's part of the humour of #debian :| |
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| 12:02.35 | semprix | abrotman, its says dont abuse them |
| 12:02.40 | Ronin | abrotman: hows itgoing eh? |
| 12:02.49 | abrotman | semprix: right .. don't abuse them |
| 12:02.54 | semprix | heh |
| 12:03.04 | abrotman | Ronin: eh .. wicked good curling match the otha night |
| 12:03.17 | Ronin | abrotman: goes good with beer and back bacon eh |
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| 12:03.28 | abrotman | mmmmmmmm .. bacon |
| 12:03.37 | abrotman | Ronin: and poutine! |
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| 12:04.00 | cast | beer and poontang, on the other hand |
| 12:04.09 | Ronin | ack, nothing but a stomach pump goes good with poutine |
| 12:04.20 | antgel | wang dang sweet poontag? |
| 12:04.30 | antgel | s/tag/tang |
| 12:05.53 | abrotman | oh yay .. US Mint makes another attempt at dollar coins |
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| 12:06.01 | abrotman | cast: there's a vi handbook from oreilly |
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| 12:06.35 | freenot | should i use apt-get or aptitude? |
| 12:06.42 | Ronin | abrotman: get used to them, wait till they replace the $1 and the $2, |
| 12:06.42 | Braindead | aptitude. |
| 12:06.49 | cast | aptitude |
| 12:06.54 | abrotman | Ronin: no .. it's a special series |
| 12:06.59 | abrotman | Ronin: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070815/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/jefferson_dollar |
| 12:07.01 | freenot | k, cheers |
| 12:07.27 | Hammar | why aptitude over apt-get? |
| 12:07.39 | Braindead | !aptitude |
| 12:07.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 12:08.23 | freenot | k, don't mix |
| 12:08.36 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 12:08.36 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 12:10.11 | streuner | !factinfo why aptitude |
| 12:10.11 | dpkg | why aptitude -- created by stew <n=stew@mudskipper.vireo.org> at Wed Jul 26 23:48:51 2006 (384 days); it has been requested 173 times, last by abrotman, 1m 35s ago. |
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| 12:11.03 | freenot | if i got a no latex error regarding docs from a compile, would i need the latex-make package? |
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| 12:14.24 | themill | freenot: no, on etch, the tetex-bin package |
| 12:15.08 | themill | freenot: but if you're not a regular latex user, perhaps see if you can not make the docs. |
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| 12:18.54 | abrotman | Ronin: latest sport in canada ? http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070813/od_nm/estonia_blind1_dc |
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| 12:19.53 | freenot | themill: k, i am not a latex user at all, but i don't like compile errors, guess i could mod the config/makefile |
| 12:20.05 | freenot | abrotman: hahaha, you are a baaaad man |
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| 12:20.44 | themill | freenot: yes, you could hack the make file or select a different target perhaps (make build not make all, for example?) |
| 12:21.11 | freenot | themill: this uses 'make world' & 'make install' |
| 12:21.30 | Ronin | abrotman: restarted client and #-ot wasnt in the autojoin list |
| 12:21.33 | abrotman | freenot: what are you compiling ? |
| 12:21.37 | abrotman | Ronin: put it there!~ |
| 12:21.56 | themill | freenot: oh how bsd ... without looking through the Makefile I can't tell you what other targets you could use. |
| 12:22.10 | streuner | abrotman: http://i16.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/ac/28/76d8_1.JPG |
| 12:22.40 | abrotman | streuner: wtf is that ? |
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| 12:22.58 | abrotman | and i mean the sticker |
| 12:23.20 | freenot | abrotman: Xen 3.0.1 from sources |
| 12:23.58 | streuner | abrotman: Ozric Tentacles - Curious Corn Album, but the swirl on the right side is odd ;-) |
| 12:24.09 | abrotman | streuner: i noticed |
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| 12:29.32 | freenot | would it be worthwhile after a new etch install to run aptitude update && aptitude upgrade before installing extra packages to support Xen? |
| 12:29.51 | caytchen | hello. debian installed a intel 8x0 sound driver when i installed it, but that produced only rubbish, even at low volumes, so i installed ALSA from a realtek ac97 driver package. it worked for one day, reboot and then it suddently can't find the card anymore (so no mixer aswell). the install log can be found at http://nopaste.php-quake.net/2404 |
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| 12:30.30 | caytchen | the linked paste is from the second installation try, the sound sample doesn't play :( |
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| 12:32.30 | caytchen | i also noticed that when leaving out the opl-whatever card for the check-list, he will find the next one in list.. |
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| 12:32.49 | themill | what command generated that output? |
| 12:32.54 | eth01 | ive just used "apt-get install htop" and it says it can't install it heh? |
| 12:33.18 | caytchen | themill, it's the install script but the install script itself only runs alsaconf at the end, so it's alsaconf. |
| 12:33.24 | caytchen | can be reproduced with it aswell. |
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| 12:34.14 | themill | the install script from this realtek driver package? |
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| 12:34.33 | caytchen | yep |
| 12:34.40 | eth01 | is apt-get playing up? |
| 12:34.42 | moldy | what user does mailman on debian use? list? |
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| 12:35.54 | caytchen | themill, the package uses the files from http://nopaste.php-quake.net/2405 |
| 12:36.11 | themill | caytchen: if, in this non-working state, you rmmod all the sound modules and then modprobe just the correct sound module, what happens? |
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| 12:38.13 | logd | hi i've downloaded some cd-label from http://ulihansen.kicks-ass.net/etch and i would like to print 'em on dvd - my printer's capable of printing on cd/dvd supports but i dunno if i need gimp or whatever for this work |
| 12:38.36 | caytchen | themill, which should i unload? modprobe -l gives me lots of sound modules :| |
| 12:39.05 | themill | basically, any that are matched by lsmod | grep snd :) |
| 12:40.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | I downloaded an app's source code, but it's not like anything I've ever seen before... I think it's in pascal. |
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| 12:40.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | how do I compile it? |
| 12:40.23 | Braindead | Dark_Apostrophe: can you bit a bit more generic? |
| 12:40.25 | hcy | i ran "make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=fixfw kernel_image". after running for hours, it ended with this error: "The UTS Release version in include/linux/utsrelease.h "" does not match current version: "2.6.22fixfw" Please correct this." What do I do about this? And will I have to recompile everything, for another few hours? |
| 12:40.34 | sciboy | What do I need to do to get a "atl1" onboard ethernet working? |
| 12:40.36 | Braindead | Dark_Apostrophe: I mean yeah details are overrated |
| 12:40.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | Braindead: It's called Peazip, see peazip.sf.net |
| 12:41.49 | xand | Dark_Apostrophe: read the instructions, how should we know? |
| 12:41.52 | sciboy | Does the latest kernels support smp out of the box? |
| 12:42.05 | xand | sciboy: yes |
| 12:42.06 | liable | hcy: did you change your --append-to-version in between the first and second attempt? |
| 12:42.20 | Braindead | Dark_Apostrophe: and btw what's wrong with the provided binaries? |
| 12:42.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | xand: It just says: Use lazarus |
| 12:42.30 | hcy | liable: left it as is |
| 12:42.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | Braindead: i386, not amd64 |
| 12:42.33 | streuner | sciboy: ALL modern kernels (official) support SMP by default |
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| 12:43.19 | liable | hcy: well, the only way that I know of to fix that is to make-kpkg clean and reompile :( |
| 12:43.34 | caytchen | themill, ok, everything's unloaded, but which should i load now? i only know it's a usual ac97 on some intel8x0 chipset :| |
| 12:43.43 | caytchen | the alsaconf wizard seems to be detecting rubbish only. |
| 12:43.46 | Braindead | Dark_Apostrophe: zOMG it really is made out of pascal /o\ gotta puke |
| 12:44.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | ... |
| 12:44.05 | hcy | liable: what append thingy should i have used? |
| 12:44.09 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: why not just use fileroller or ark? |
| 12:44.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | They choke on split rar files |
| 12:44.30 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: or cabextract or tar or arj or unrar that are already in debian? |
| 12:44.40 | Braindead | anything but THAT |
| 12:44.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | unrar-free is useless |
| 12:44.51 | liable | hcy: you can use whatever you want, but when I have compiled kernels and changed it, i have had to make clean. I can only suppose its because of your first aborted attempt |
| 12:44.59 | themill | make life easy for yourself... this isn't gentoo ;) |
| 12:45.00 | abrotman | hcy: how'd you make out the other day? |
| 12:45.06 | themill | and look at unrar-nonfree ;) |
| 12:45.14 | hcy | hey abrotman, 1sec, lemme get this thing going and then i'll fill you in |
| 12:45.15 | logd | hi i've downloaded some cd-label from http://ulihansen.kicks-ass.net/etch and i would like to print 'em on dvd - my printer's capable of printing on cd/dvd supports but i dunno if i need gimp or whatever for this work |
| 12:45.20 | abrotman | hcy: oh dear |
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| 12:45.37 | xNinja | hi |
| 12:45.38 | xNinja | how to do a cronjob to restart a service when it reach %100 for example ? |
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| 12:45.55 | Braindead | 100% of what? penis enlargment? |
| 12:46.01 | snowbird | didn't ahve text |
| 12:46.08 | Phil4 | lol Braindead |
| 12:46.12 | xNinja | Braindead should i laugh ? |
| 12:46.24 | xNinja | %100 of the cpu usage |
| 12:46.47 | Braindead | yeah sorry for not reading your mind |
| 12:46.47 | antgel | xNinja: does watchdog handle this scenario? |
| 12:47.17 | xNinja | antgel i dont know infact |
| 12:47.21 | hcy | liable: so make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=fixfw kernel_image ? |
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| 12:47.30 | liable | hcy: ya |
| 12:47.35 | abrotman | xNinja: your cron job shouldn't do that |
| 12:47.36 | themill | logd: gimp and gimp-print might be your best bet to print them out in the right size and location on the page |
| 12:47.36 | hcy | liable: k, thanks |
| 12:47.51 | snowbird | haey laibles |
| 12:47.53 | liable | hcy: that must be one slow fucking box ;) |
| 12:48.02 | liable | gday snowbird |
| 12:48.04 | snowbird | liable i ment i sneezed |
| 12:48.09 | hcy | liable: heh... it's a dell latitude laptop |
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| 12:48.17 | hcy | liable: about 6 years old |
| 12:48.18 | userek | hello |
| 12:48.20 | logd | themill>i'm printing directly on cd but i guess it will be ease to copy 'em on a memory card then use printer's own functions to pursue this task |
| 12:48.25 | userek | what is the best way to create backup? |
| 12:48.30 | abrotman | of what |
| 12:48.35 | userek | of my system |
| 12:48.36 | antgel | !tell userek about smart questions |
| 12:48.54 | Braindead | he wants to backup mission-critical pr0n |
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| 12:49.08 | userek | i want to backup my debian installation :) |
| 12:49.14 | Braindead | partimage |
| 12:49.32 | antgel | userek: ah, why didn't you say. the answer is: depends |
| 12:49.36 | antgel | !tell userek about backup |
| 12:49.39 | themill | userek: what sort of backup? a binary image? the data? databases? |
| 12:49.44 | ESSvalue | hi, i need help with an issue: if i do cat /dev/sndstat it says Synt: not enabled in config - what config it refers ? alsaconf or kernel config ? |
| 12:49.47 | petemc | i use dirvish |
| 12:49.54 | antgel | pretty shit factoid that |
| 12:49.55 | Knight_Lord | I took a disk from a controller and put it back again and now the disk reports half its native capacity. Does anyone have a clue to what might have happened? |
| 12:50.21 | hcy | abrotman: so, nothing was working, in the end i remembered i already had a working (though not very well) 2.6.8 kernel in my lilo, that i never used. I was able to boot into that and then fix everything with apt-get -f install. Then i used apt-get to get a new debian kernel. it works, except it can't access my camcorder via firewire (no raw1394). they (liable) said it's a bug... anyway so in the end i have to compile my own kernel anyway. |
| 12:50.41 | userek | packages and the configuration |
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| 12:50.45 | userek | no databases |
| 12:50.50 | abrotman | hcy: you tried .21 and .22 ? |
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| 12:51.05 | hcy | abrotman: this is .22 |
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| 12:51.29 | hcy | abrotman: debian's 2.6.22-1-686 |
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| 12:52.10 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: lazarus is in Debian if you really want to try |
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| 12:53.22 | sciboy | Anyone had any experience with setting up onboard ethernet with what according to lspci is a "Attansic Technology Corp. L1 Gigabit Ethernet" |
| 12:53.41 | liable | Roy_M: so what was the actuall boot problems? |
| 12:53.50 | antgel | !tell sciboy about anyone |
| 12:53.51 | petemc | sciboy: it doesnt work automagically? |
| 12:54.07 | Roy_M | liable: I get an error message, (looks for a place to paste it) |
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| 12:54.33 | antgel | petemc: not in 2.6.18 |
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| 12:54.58 | catlee | Good morning |
| 12:55.01 | sciboy | petemc: Nope. |
| 12:55.08 | freenot | l1l2’: |
| 12:55.16 | sciboy | petemc: Which I don't get because there is a module called atl1 |
| 12:55.17 | freenot | gah! wtf! |
| 12:55.23 | catlee | What's the rationale behind /etc/init.d scripts returning with a 0 exit status if the appropriate daemon isn't found? |
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| 12:55.27 | antgel | sciboy: please tell me you've googled and found the driver |
| 12:55.35 | sciboy | petemc: The version might be too old. |
| 12:56.03 | sciboy | antgel: Of course, I'm grabbing a debian cd #1 instead of the netinstall so I can compile it. |
| 12:56.18 | Roy_M | liable: the error is: /bin/sh: /usr/sbin/termwrap: No such file or directory /bin/sh: line 0: exec: /usr/sbin/termwrap: cannot execute: No such file or directoryINIT: ld "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 12:56.20 | liable | Roy_M: btw, if it all gets too hard, the sarge madwifi-source should work fine. |
| 12:56.43 | liable | Roy_M: i havent even seen that one.. are you on 2.4 now? |
| 12:57.28 | antgel | sciboy: i would install etch, then grab a backported later kernel from backports.org |
| 12:57.28 | Roy_M | liable: I was running a 2.6 kernel, i get errors with early 2.6 kernels and latter 2.6 kernels as well |
| 12:58.40 | sciboy | antgel: Any idea if there is better support in later kernels though? The netinst I was using had 2.21 |
| 12:58.40 | Hammar | how can one mount an iso-image? |
| 12:58.54 | liable | Roy_M: with x86 hardware? |
| 12:58.59 | moldy | how do i change the editor used by commands like crontab? |
| 12:59.01 | hcy | Hammar: mount -o loop file.iso /target |
| 12:59.02 | sciboy | 2.6.22 |
| 12:59.07 | sciboy | =/ |
| 12:59.08 | liable | Hammar: man mount, check for loopback |
| 12:59.11 | Roy_M | liable: yeah Celeron 700Mhz |
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| 12:59.29 | liable | Roy_M: so what are you running now? |
| 12:59.53 | Hammar | hcy, liable: thanks |
| 12:59.53 | antgel | sciboy: ah, i assumed you were using etch. i don't know, you might want to browse the lkml archives to ascertain current level of support |
| 12:59.56 | snowbird | liable how would u change u defalt boot x to kde |
| 13:00.02 | hcy | Hammar: np |
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| 13:00.17 | liable | snowbird: it should be a menu option in gdm |
| 13:00.31 | cberlo | Hi folks! You guys did such a great job helping me with my printing issue yesterday, I thought I'd try today's problem on ya: Can anyone explain how I'd authenticate against a trusted domain (W2K3) after having joined my primary domain (W2K3), when there is no trusting relationship back? I think I need to provide credentials to the trusted domain in order to get anywhere, but I can't figure out how I'd do that (I've got the set-auth-user configured for m |
| 13:00.31 | snowbird | whats that |
| 13:00.32 | Roy_M | liable: well the machine I am typing from is a ubuntu machine but the machines that are having problems are all celeron 700's running sarge (which works) or etch (which doesn't work) |
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| 13:01.02 | liable | Roy_M: did you follow the release notes during the upgrade? |
| 13:01.10 | snowbird | oh got it liable |
| 13:01.27 | sciboy | antgel: There appears to be a source package, I'm going to see if I can feed that to module-assistant |
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| 13:01.46 | hoarycripple | which netinst cd do i need to intel 64bit xeon? |
| 13:01.47 | liable | Roy_M: is this termwrap thing some package from another repo or something? i cant find it |
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| 13:02.21 | Roy_M | liable: I dont know it is not something i have consciously installed |
| 13:02.30 | themill | cberlo: I have my desktop authenticating against an ADS using kerberos. The server does not trust the client in any way. (But I only set up the client not the server so i don't know what has to happen at that end) |
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| 13:03.24 | liable | Roy_M: hrm, theres something thats calling it and it obviously doesnt exist, though that shouldn't cause the kernel to hang |
| 13:03.54 | liable | Roy_M: both boxes do this? |
| 13:04.09 | ESSvalue | Synth devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG what's this ? |
| 13:04.24 | Roy_M | liable: I followed this guide when upgrading http://www.debianadmin.com/upgrade-sarge-to-etch.html |
| 13:04.43 | antgel | ESSvalue: #alsa |
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| 13:05.04 | Roy_M | yeah I have tried this on multiple machines, after the upgrade they all have to be hosed and have sarge manually installed |
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| 13:05.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: Tried already |
| 13:05.31 | antgel | what a pointless article, can't people just rely on the official release notes |
| 13:05.33 | liable | Roy_M: follow the proper release notes. |
| 13:05.37 | liable | !release notes |
| 13:05.37 | dpkg | methinks release notes is http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes |
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| 13:05.42 | antgel | liable: dude! |
| 13:05.57 | liable | Roy_M: they all fail with that termwrap error? |
| 13:06.05 | liable | antgel: wheres my car! |
| 13:06.27 | sciboy | antgel: Oh seems it might be a 2.6.21 regression, found a mailing list complaint |
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| 13:06.35 | cberlo | themill: you're using only kerberos? Do you have local accounts for your users, or are you getting everything you need through kerberos? |
| 13:07.12 | Roy_M | liable: i can try using this guide tomorrow http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-upgrade-from-2.6 |
| 13:07.25 | antgel | liable: sorry mate, i went all american. i meant cobber! |
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| 13:07.33 | sciboy | What kernel version does the etchn installer use? |
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| 13:07.53 | antgel | sciboy: the one that you'll find explained on the world-wide web |
| 13:08.02 | Dimich | who can give me bnc account? |
| 13:08.10 | liable | Roy_M: yeah, give it a whirl. ask here for help if you have problems |
| 13:08.20 | liable | antgel: yearly bath? |
| 13:08.27 | Roy_M | liable: maybe it will work. Just one question, when upgrading kernels and it asks you if you want to remove the kernel image, what is the correct answer? |
| 13:08.45 | liable | Roy_M: the running one? |
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| 13:09.17 | Roy_M | liable: sorry I eman when upgrading from sarge to etch, yeah the running kernel, do you want to remove it? |
| 13:09.18 | cberlo | themill: I'm begging you, please show me how you did that! :) Just found out that my Domain structure isn't going to allow me to do what I need to do! |
| 13:09.35 | pikko | Hi, I have some problems booting brand-new install of testing in virtual machine using lvm2 and 2.6.21-2 kernel. Could anyne help? |
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| 13:09.59 | liable | Roy_M: dont let it. thats usually an aptitude quirk, if it does that, purge aptitude with apt-get and reinstall (or unmark the package as auto in aptitude) |
| 13:10.28 | liable | Roy_M: i usually find purging aptitude the best thing to do, then reinstall it and dont use apt-get anymore |
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| 13:10.38 | themill | cberlo: It's only for a few users on a couple of boxes so i've not tried anything fancy. I have a local user for each user and I've installed libpam-krb5 and followed the instructions in that packages README. |
| 13:10.48 | Roy_M | liable: purge aptitude with apt-get? |
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| 13:10.58 | liable | Roy_M: apt-get remove --purge |
| 13:11.27 | snowbird | liable i changed in sesion manajour same thing alse eth0 drops in and out on start up |
| 13:11.33 | alex___ | hardcore question for the ultra geekz0rs: anyone have the experience of enabling SSL on multiple name based vhost sites on a single IP addresses? |
| 13:11.45 | petemc | alex___: no, because you cant |
| 13:11.46 | Roy_M | liable: righto, i so install aptitude, purge apt-get and then use aptitude to do the upgrade |
| 13:11.52 | liable | snowbird: do you speak french? |
| 13:11.58 | snowbird | nope |
| 13:11.59 | liable | Roy_M: no no |
| 13:12.04 | alex___ | petemc, http://www.g-loaded.eu/2007/08/10/ssl-enabled-name-based-apache-virtual-hosts-with-mod_gnutls/ |
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| 13:12.09 | alex___ | petemc, now, you can. |
| 13:12.12 | cberlo | themill: Ah, I see. That's not quite going to work. Unless I can use ldap as a backend without installing all the Microsoft SFU stuff on the servers. I'm looking at potentially authenticating a couple hundred users at least; a couple thousand at most. If I can take care of the local user info automatically somehow, I'd be golden. |
| 13:12.12 | snowbird | no french in the part o can |
| 13:12.20 | themill | cberlo: so the user can actually authenticate either using their local password or their ADS account. When setting up new accounts I usually just use pwgen to generate a random passwd. |
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| 13:12.39 | antgel | alex___: so you answered your own question |
| 13:12.41 | liable | Roy_M: use aptitude for the upgrade, but if it gives you problems (like trying to remove the running kernel) purge it with apt-get and reinstall it |
| 13:12.49 | liable | Roy_M: then try |
| 13:13.06 | themill | cberlo: I'm sure that there is some pam magic that can do that. It could even mount the smb home of the user while it's at it. |
| 13:13.13 | liable | snowbird: then its spelt manager, not manajour |
| 13:13.22 | alex___ | antgel, uh, yeah i guess i did |
| 13:13.39 | themill | cberlo: But I only know these things exist not how to do them. But they might be pointers to come back and ask the right questions. |
| 13:14.07 | cberlo | themill: I don't know the names of the users in advance, and new ones get created often (school setting). And I've got pam_storepw running, so once I get the password, I can do anything on the domain the user wants to. I think I'll look into ldap a bit more and mess around here. Thanks for the faint hope! :) |
| 13:14.12 | Roy_M | liable: ok, i will give it a try, thanks for your help |
| 13:14.30 | pikko | noone could help ? |
| 13:14.33 | freenot | someone test a link for me pls => http://www.earthship.net/ ? |
| 13:15.10 | liable | Roy_M: no problem. good luck with it, and ask here if you get problems (after following the release notes) |
| 13:15.25 | snowbird | ok liable sorry when u start useing gnome? |
| 13:15.26 | cberlo | Not getting anything here, freenot. |
| 13:15.34 | themill | cberlo: I'm sure there will be a pam module that lets any user listed in ldap log in, automatically creating or mounting a $HOME in the process and adding them to whatever groups they need. Look into the pam ldap packages, i guess. |
| 13:15.46 | liable | snowbird: who said I am using gnome, and why does it matter? |
| 13:15.47 | Roy_M | liable: ok sure, cheers :) |
| 13:16.10 | cberlo | themill: the trick I think will be to get both ldap and kerberos to look to both domains to get their info. Should be fun. |
| 13:16.55 | themill | cberlo: if you're going to try ldap for authorisation and account setup then you may as well use it for authentication too and forget kerberos. |
| 13:16.57 | snowbird | liable just curious ? u say alot abought gnome like user |
| 13:17.33 | liable | snowbird: I hardly ever talk about gnome |
| 13:17.38 | cberlo | themill: that may be a problem without install sfu on the w2k3 servers. Something about the wrong structure... |
| 13:17.48 | snowbird | liable ok |
| 13:18.27 | themill | freenot: not pingable either, btw |
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| 13:18.55 | palestino | hello,someone knows about a program to watch dvd? |
| 13:19.23 | antgel | palestino: ask dpkg |
| 13:19.26 | cberlo | palestino: Yes. There are several. I'd suggest looking at the Ubuntu Community Documentation (don't have the link handy) |
| 13:19.33 | palestino | !dpkg dvd |
| 13:19.34 | themill | palestino: xine, totem, kaffeine, ... |
| 13:19.50 | palestino | themill, i have xine and totem and gxine |
| 13:19.52 | Bracki | Is it possible taht dist-upgrade changes the tmp dir permissions? |
| 13:19.53 | themill | !tell palestino about dvd |
| 13:19.58 | palestino | but when I put a dvd it read the files but dont play |
| 13:20.11 | petemc | Bracki: chmod 1777 /tmp should reset them |
| 13:20.19 | liable | !css |
| 13:20.19 | dpkg | CSS DVD security lock see http://livid.on.openprojects.net/ for more information, or cascading style sheets, or http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ or http://www.webreference.com/html/tutorials/ |
| 13:20.32 | moldy | themill: the e-mail address i found on google does not seem to exist anymore :( |
| 13:20.36 | Bracki | petemc: Ok, so that's "normal behaviour? |
| 13:20.44 | themill | !tell palestino about msg the bot |
| 13:20.45 | petemc | Bracki: ah, no |
| 13:20.54 | themill | moldy: oh well.... that's a pity |
| 13:21.18 | liable | palestino: you probably need the css libs. you can get them from debian-multimedia or theres a script in the docs for libdvdread3 |
| 13:21.31 | themill | !tell palestino about dmm |
| 13:21.38 | moldy | themill: http://ctrl-alt-del.cc/downloads also found this |
| 13:21.59 | freenot | themill: k, thanks |
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| 13:23.59 | andyp_ | hi |
| 13:24.34 | andyp_ | what would the root comand line be to remove everything with the word vmware in it/ |
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| 13:25.10 | petemc | andyp_: that doesnt sound like a tremendous idea |
| 13:25.22 | philippk| | :p |
| 13:25.44 | themill | petemc: sounds like a bloody good idea.... :) |
| 13:25.54 | petemc | well... :) |
| 13:25.56 | liable | antgel: having a bath isnt that bad! (though i know you poms dont like to do it too often) :) |
| 13:26.16 | themill | antgel: bath? but it's not september yet |
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| 13:26.23 | cberlo | andyp: could try "apt-get remove vmware*" |
| 13:26.40 | moldy | andyp_: remove it from where? |
| 13:26.44 | liable | hehe |
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| 13:26.45 | themill | cberlo: only if vmware comes with nice debian packages... |
| 13:27.04 | themill | andyp_: man find |
| 13:27.20 | andyp_ | petemc: wel i have tried the uninstall way out no joy tried to reconfigure no joy |
| 13:27.49 | audifahrer | Hello |
| 13:28.19 | sciboy | Okay it's working perfectly under 2.6.22 |
| 13:28.45 | audifahrer | are there any Debian Etch images for popular virtual machines like vmware, virtualbox, qemu or bochs? |
| 13:28.50 | andyp_ | moldy: from every file on the system |
| 13:29.09 | andyp_ | rm -r vmware*? |
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| 13:29.26 | cberlo | themill: doesn't everything come in nice debian packages? :) |
| 13:29.31 | themill | andyp_: no, you need to run find to find the files first. man find |
| 13:29.44 | themill | cberlo: only software that's actually worth using.... |
| 13:29.45 | antgel | !bbq liable |
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| 13:30.09 | cberlo | themill: Hmmm... that almost implies that there is no Windows software worth using... |
| 13:30.15 | liable | yes please! you bring the beer, i'll supply the snags |
| 13:30.20 | DrFrasierCrane | folks, what is the safest way to get Python 2.5 in debian 3.1 ? |
| 13:30.23 | Bracki | how do i figure out wether im running devfs? |
| 13:30.24 | themill | cberlo: *nod* |
| 13:30.32 | themill | cberlo: I'm yet to find any. |
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| 13:31.56 | andyp_ | themill: thanks |
| 13:32.40 | DrFrasierCrane | i have debian 3.1 on dedicated hosting server and I need Python 2.5, there's only 2.4 in repo, I guess adding some unstable repo to the sources.list may bring whole machine down? |
| 13:32.49 | DrFrasierCrane | I mean installing something from unstable |
| 13:33.30 | themill | DrFrasierCrane: you're never going to manage to shoehorn packages out of sid into sarge |
| 13:33.48 | themill | DrFrasierCrane: look on backports.org to see if there is a sarge package for python |
| 13:34.01 | DrFrasierCrane | :-( |
| 13:34.48 | andyp_ | themill; its a pretty poor day for vmware |
| 13:35.13 | DrFrasierCrane | only 2.4 in backports... so I guess I'm out of options huh? |
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| 13:36.59 | cberlo | DrFrasierCrane: Could always compile it yourself, I suspect. |
| 13:37.00 | themill | DrFrasierCrane: unless you can move to etch, probably. I suspect that python is not going to be easy to backport. |
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| 13:38.04 | sciboy | What do I need to check cpu temp? |
| 13:38.22 | DrFrasierCrane | themill, cberlo, thanks |
| 13:38.25 | themill | sciboy: acpi -V |
| 13:38.49 | sciboy | no support for device type: thermal |
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| 13:39.36 | Pete_B | Hi. My logwatch is mailing out as 'root' and so not being allowed through the mail smarthost. How do I get it to mail out as a different email address with a FQDN? |
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| 13:40.59 | userek | okay, im trying to upgrade old debian installation and i get this: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. Can i safely do it? :) |
| 13:41.07 | abrotman | !e2fsprogs |
| 13:41.08 | dpkg | methinks e2fsprogs is if you are getting a messages about Force LoopBreak a likely cause is that you are trying to upgrade pre-stable packages to testing which isnt' supported. you should fully upgrade to the current stable before upgrading to testing,ask me about <force loopbreak> |
| 13:41.11 | abrotman | !e2fsprogs loop |
| 13:41.11 | dpkg | i heard e2fsprogs loop is you are running package older than the sarge release and are trying to upgrade to etch or later. skipping releases is not supported. you must first upgrade to sarge, then to etch. edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace 'testing' or 'etch' or 'stable' or 'unstable' with 'sarge' then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade' then ask me about <sarge->etch> for instruction on upgrading to etch |
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| 13:41.40 | userek | oh |
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| 13:42.02 | userek | thanks |
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| 13:43.57 | hesco | Which package would have convert in it? The image manipulation cli tool? |
| 13:44.13 | sciboy | themill: Is there a module I should have loaded? |
| 13:44.13 | leafwiz | I downloaded debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso , and burned it. But I couldn't boot from it.. Wrong image? |
| 13:44.21 | themill | hesco: imagemagick |
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| 13:44.29 | hesco | themill: thanks |
| 13:44.44 | themill | !tell hesco about search |
| 13:44.45 | hesco | leafwiz: how is your BIOS set? Does it permit a boot from CD? |
| 13:44.50 | leafwiz | Yes |
| 13:45.07 | themill | leafwiz: any error messages? |
| 13:45.09 | leafwiz | It's on a thinkpad, press f12 and boot.. |
| 13:45.13 | liable | leafwiz: that is a correct image |
| 13:45.23 | leafwiz | No errors |
| 13:45.30 | antgel_ | leafwiz: your drive can read cd-rs? |
| 13:45.39 | liable | then suspect the way you burnt it |
| 13:45.44 | themill | leafwiz: so what happens? |
| 13:45.45 | leafwiz | Yes, I have booted BSD from RW cd's |
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| 13:46.52 | leafwiz | Well.. nothing happend. It started to spinn up, and jumped to hd |
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| 13:47.01 | hesco | leafwiz: has this install media been successfully used on any other machine recently? |
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| 13:47.33 | leafwiz | No, I will have try it on another machine. I just wanted to know if it was the correct image |
| 13:47.48 | userek | should i reboot after i upgrade to sarge, or can i safely upgrade to etch imidietly? :P |
| 13:48.00 | frog | hi, which driver should install to get logitech chat webcam working? |
| 13:48.01 | hesco | That sounds like perhaps it failed to find bootable partition on CD. |
| 13:48.08 | themill | userek: are you running on a 2.6 kernel now? |
| 13:48.21 | userek | themill, no, its 2.4 |
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| 13:48.38 | leafwiz | hesco: yeah, and i did finalize the burn.. Just to be shure |
| 13:48.53 | userek | and its a remote host, so if i fsck up its bad :) |
| 13:49.01 | themill | userek: I think you need to be running a 2.6 kernel before upgrading to etch. |
| 13:49.02 | cahoot | frog, depends on the model |
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| 13:49.30 | userek | themill, oh, are you sure? thanks for the info |
| 13:49.38 | frog | cahoot: logitech QuickCam chat |
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| 13:50.27 | leafwiz | Is there a testing image for pxeboot? |
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| 13:51.23 | cahoot | frog, either gspcav1 or uvcvideo |
| 13:51.47 | frog | cahoot: i must compile it on my won, isnt ok? |
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| 13:52.14 | cahoot | frog, gspcavi1 can be compiled with m-a IIRC |
| 13:52.33 | frog | m-a? |
| 13:52.40 | cahoot | !m-a |
| 13:52.40 | dpkg | well, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
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| 13:52.49 | frog | ok |
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| 13:53.08 | liable | leafwiz: there are, check the install guide under install media |
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| 13:53.19 | frog | cahoot: you know the pacckage name? |
| 13:53.27 | cahoot | for what? |
| 13:53.40 | frog | for gspcavi1 |
| 13:53.57 | cahoot | frog, gspcav1- my typing error |
| 13:54.18 | cahoot | frog, i think it's listed in m-a |
| 13:54.27 | frog | ok, so i guess its not im my sources |
| 13:54.46 | cahoot | frog, else it uses the old spcaxxx driver |
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| 13:55.35 | frojnd | what's the ocmmand to check what HD are on my computer ? |
| 13:55.42 | frojnd | fdisk -l doens't work on a debian |
| 13:56.05 | Braindead | !doesn't work |
| 13:56.05 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 13:56.58 | cwheeler | it won't take the garbage out |
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| 13:57.07 | themill | frojnd: works for me... what's your problem |
| 13:57.28 | caytchen | any idea where to get the kernel sources for 2.6.22-1-686? |
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| 13:57.35 | frog | cahoot: you know the source for this gspcav1 or spcaxxx? |
| 13:57.41 | Braindead | 10 bucks on "command not found", 5 on non-root usage |
| 13:57.46 | frojnd | themill: looks like su helps sometime.. |
| 13:57.56 | frojnd | anyway how can I format disk into ext3 ? |
| 13:57.59 | frojnd | /dev/hdd1 1 4998 40146403+ 83 Linux |
| 13:58.07 | cahoot | frog, m-a doesn't offer you the option? |
| 13:58.14 | frog | no |
| 13:58.14 | themill | Braindead: not going to take those sorts of odds.... |
| 13:58.14 | frojnd | this is my HD that Iwanna to be mount ona /media |
| 13:58.23 | Braindead | yay! I win |
| 13:58.30 | cahoot | frog, what version of debian ? |
| 13:58.34 | frog | sid |
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| 13:58.47 | cahoot | frog, hang on |
| 13:58.58 | frog | ok |
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| 13:59.06 | wintix | frojnd: mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdd1 (this may eat your data, if you don't know what you are doing) |
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| 13:59.44 | cahoot | frog, gspca turns up here - run m-a prepare first |
| 14:00.06 | wintix | frojnd: after that, edit /etc/fstab |
| 14:00.32 | frog | ok, thx cahoot |
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| 14:02.00 | liable | who? |
| 14:02.20 | cahoot | preparing for pirate day? |
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| 14:02.24 | jelly-home | liable: a character in 1st season of ST:TNG, had sex with Data. |
| 14:02.36 | liable | arr! |
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| 14:03.30 | xand | jelly-home: tasha yar |
| 14:03.37 | Bracki | what's the default kernel for etch 2.6.8? |
| 14:03.45 | xand | jelly-home: oh... nevermind |
| 14:03.51 | xand | Bracki: no, 2.6.18 |
| 14:03.52 | themill | cahoot: local accent around here is amazing. Genuine pirate. They pronouce the r at the end of car: car-rrr. |
| 14:03.55 | snowbird | themill sweet i live in parkland manitoba canada |
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| 14:04.05 | xand | Bracki: default and only one afaik |
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| 14:04.08 | Bracki | xand: hmpf. do can i get that one? |
| 14:04.13 | xand | ? |
| 14:04.14 | liable | hehe |
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| 14:04.20 | xand | apt-get install it |
| 14:04.22 | Bracki | eh, how can i get that one? |
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| 14:04.37 | xand | unless there's any caveats... not sure |
| 14:04.45 | cahoot | themill, just like here then |
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| 14:04.55 | abrotman | Bracki: what's your CPU ? |
| 14:05.01 | snowbird | i wonter if when i get my net suff if themill wil be hideing under pc desk |
| 14:05.02 | Bracki | amd64.k8.smp |
| 14:05.05 | themill | cahoot: where are you? Penzance or something? |
| 14:05.16 | cahoot | themill, no se |
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| 14:05.19 | abrotman | Bracki: apt-cache search linux-image k7 .. or k8 |
| 14:05.25 | Bracki | abrotman: i just did a dist-upgrade and was suspecting to get the latest kernel as well |
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| 14:05.29 | abrotman | k7 is 32bit .. k8 is 64bit |
| 14:05.44 | abrotman | Bracki: or just apt-cache search linux-image to see them all |
| 14:05.52 | liable | where is penzance? |
| 14:06.09 | abrotman | italy ? |
| 14:06.15 | abrotman | no .. wait .. nevermind |
| 14:06.32 | themill | liable: just near a place called Land's End. (no really)... http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=penzance&f=q&hl=en&sll=&sspn=&ie=UTF8&ll=51.144894,-2.988281&spn=3.935631,7.382813&z=7&om=1 |
| 14:06.41 | jelly-home | doesn't sound italian |
| 14:06.47 | xand | cornwall |
| 14:06.53 | themill | liable: as in "pirates of penzance".... G&S |
| 14:07.20 | liable | themill: ya, i know thephrase, just never realised there was an actual place |
| 14:07.42 | Bracki | abrotman: still stuck on 2.6.8 |
| 14:07.46 | themill | liable: G&S "pirates" and the west country accent and the stereotypical "arrrr" aren't a coincidence. |
| 14:07.53 | abrotman | Bracki: apt-cache search linux-image shows you nothing ? |
| 14:07.59 | jelly-home | http://www.worldofmi.com/features/lyrics/A%20pirate%20I%20was%20meant%20to%20be.mp3 |
| 14:08.08 | liable | themill: G&S? |
| 14:08.30 | Bracki | shows a lot but: linux-image-2.6-amd64-k8-smp will install 2.6.8 |
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| 14:08.46 | Bracki | how do i see whether dist-upgrade suceeded? |
| 14:08.53 | liable | Bracki: and your sources list is pointed to? |
| 14:08.53 | anirban | Hi |
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| 14:08.56 | abrotman | Bracki: oh .. don't use the -smp |
| 14:09.02 | anirban | I got some bad blocks in mh hdd |
| 14:09.06 | themill | liable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_and_Sullivan |
| 14:09.07 | anirban | how can I mark them |
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| 14:09.12 | anirban | I using resierfs |
| 14:09.13 | Bracki | liable: etch |
| 14:09.13 | abrotman | backblocks |
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| 14:09.24 | cahoot | bad? |
| 14:09.30 | anirban | I mean bad secotrs |
| 14:09.30 | Bracki | liable: otherwise the rest of the whole dis-tupgrade stuff wouldnt have gone thru... |
| 14:09.35 | anirban | yeah |
| 14:09.39 | Bracki | abrotman: why shouldnt i? |
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| 14:09.46 | abrotman | Bracki: install linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 14:09.51 | abrotman | Bracki: all etch kernels are SMP now |
| 14:09.54 | cahoot | anirban, you plan to keep using it? |
| 14:10.52 | anirban | yeah |
| 14:10.53 | anirban | At least for some days |
| 14:10.55 | liable | themill: ah |
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| 14:11.20 | anirban | cause I am having problem only to mount a particular partition |
| 14:11.35 | jelly-home | wow, reiserfs AND bad blocks. You hate your data? |
| 14:11.40 | anirban | \/dev/sda9 is my root |
| 14:11.52 | Bracki | abrotman: hm, all i get is that lousy 2.6.8 one. |
| 14:12.15 | abrotman | Bracki: install linux-image-2.6-amd64 .. with that ? |
| 14:12.20 | Bracki | yes |
| 14:12.27 | abrotman | Bracki: paste your sources somewhere |
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| 14:12.27 | abrotman | !paste |
| 14:12.28 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 14:12.50 | anirban | I tired to rebuild-tree but it fail |
| 14:13.03 | anirban | saying that can not read the hdd |
| 14:13.15 | anirban | but then my qns is how come other partitions are readble |
| 14:14.05 | Bracki | http://rafb.net/p/R898aZ73.html |
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| 14:15.24 | cr3 | in gnome, where are things like resolution and screensaver settings stored on the filesystem? |
| 14:15.40 | snowbird | gnome conroal |
| 14:16.00 | themill | cr3: resolution is in xorg.conf but randr can switch between your defined settings. |
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| 14:16.13 | themill | cr3: look in gnome-control-center. |
| 14:16.35 | snowbird | themill what u burn with? |
| 14:16.47 | themill | cr3: (which is probably on the system menu somewhere but I don't use gnome so I don't know where) |
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| 14:16.54 | themill | snowbird: k3b |
| 14:17.09 | snowbird | thats really cool one |
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| 14:17.46 | cr3 | themill: gnome or gdm seems to be doing something because I changed my resolution and xorg.conf was not changed |
| 14:18.36 | themill | cr3: run the command xrandr from a terminal and see what it shows. It might be that X didn't like your change so ignored it. |
| 14:19.00 | themill | cr3: you did restart X after changing the config file, didn't you? |
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| 14:20.26 | cr3 | themill: I'm talking about using gnome to change the resolution, that doesn't affect xorg.conf nor does it need to manually restart X |
| 14:20.29 | Lin | hi there what is wrong with this /etc/apt/preferences? I want to pin grater priority to this repository: deb http://192.168.4.1/local/ ./ but apt-cache polity keep telling me that both them has priority 500, any tips? man apt_preferences do not tell me about the syntax. |
| 14:21.04 | Bracki | what does "i A" in aptitude mean? |
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| 14:21.36 | cr3 | themill: aha, found it for the resolution: ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/screen/default/0/%gconf.xml |
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| 14:21.42 | Lin | (my file) http://paste.debian.net/34695 |
| 14:21.53 | themill | cr3: gnome can use this xrandr mechanism to select between settings that are already in your xorg.conf. They only apply to the current login unless you get gnome to persist them between logins, in which case they still wouldn't apply to gdm |
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| 14:22.09 | leafwiz | I read that minimum disk usage is 5Gig.. But does a desktop system use that much? |
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| 14:22.39 | delliott | leafwiz, it depends on what you are doing with the sytem |
| 14:22.45 | petemc | leafwiz: you could install in less space, obviously it depends which packages you install |
| 14:23.17 | leafwiz | yeah, I want to install it as a desktop system |
| 14:23.25 | FuzzyB | leafwiz: my debian xen guests only use about 100mb |
| 14:23.40 | FuzzyB | err i take that back about 500m |
| 14:23.53 | leafwiz | mm.. =) |
| 14:24.41 | leafwiz | same as my obsd system |
| 14:24.51 | FuzzyB | mind you that's a pretty base install ( the template is built up from a debootstrap then kept uptodate with apt-get ) |
| 14:25.06 | leafwiz | I hoped to install beryll |
| 14:25.11 | FuzzyB | i use obsd in my firewalls debian on my application servers and solaris in my storage |
| 14:25.12 | Bracki | the 2.6.18 kernels are marked with "i A" in aptitude.. |
| 14:25.46 | DustyBin | is it possible to run slackware on debian etch as a guest xen OS ? |
| 14:25.57 | petemc | yes |
| 14:26.08 | leafwiz | Oh.. Solaris. Is it good? |
| 14:26.33 | wintix | leafwiz: you know that you are in a debian channel, right? |
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| 14:27.12 | ebohpoboh | If my monitor is blanking with 'out of range' then I need to change my xorg.conf to specify its refresh rate better? |
| 14:27.27 | liable | Bracki: installed, automatically (ie, installed as a depends of the meta package) |
| 14:27.30 | abrotman | ebohpoboh: yes |
| 14:27.31 | leafwiz | Yeah.. But FuzzyB said he used Solais on his fileserver. And I wonder what it's strengths where =) |
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| 14:27.38 | FuzzyB | zfs |
| 14:27.44 | wintix | !solaris |
| 14:27.45 | dpkg | i guess solaris is better known as slowaris (ask me about slowaris) because the hardware is so incredibly shitty, it makes AreEss64 puke., but <ashp> Learning solaris is like anally raping myself with a big red fire truck., or ask me about solaris source, or pretty much okay on x86, or shit. slowlaris, or http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=152676&cid=12814224 |
| 14:27.49 | wintix | :> |
| 14:27.52 | FuzzyB | ignore the fud |
| 14:27.56 | FuzzyB | go read about zfs |
| 14:28.02 | FuzzyB | i won't say another word |
| 14:28.30 | abrotman | zfs works on more than solaris |
| 14:28.40 | FuzzyB | i wouldn't trust it |
| 14:28.41 | leafwiz | *curious* |
| 14:28.46 | FuzzyB | and it's she thank you very much |
| 14:28.50 | FuzzyB | go ask in #solaris |
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| 14:28.54 | FuzzyB | if you want to know about solaris |
| 14:28.58 | eth01 | i want to change the hostname in debian, how do i do it? |
| 14:29.00 | abrotman | i know about solaris |
| 14:29.04 | abrotman | !hostname |
| 14:29.04 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 14:29.06 | FuzzyB | abrotman: that wasn't to you |
| 14:29.09 | abrotman | oh |
| 14:29.10 | abrotman | :) |
| 14:29.44 | FuzzyB | :] |
| 14:29.45 | abrotman | aren't the Sun/OpenSOlaris engineers the ones porting zfs to Fuse and *bsd ? |
| 14:29.53 | FuzzyB | ya |
| 14:29.57 | FuzzyB | and zfs is showing up in os/x |
| 14:29.58 | abrotman | so you don't trust them ? |
| 14:30.02 | FuzzyB | supposedly in the next release |
| 14:30.13 | FuzzyB | no i don't trust the 3rd part zfs hack that linux is trying to use |
| 14:30.36 | FuzzyB | s/part/party/ |
| 14:30.37 | abrotman | linux uses fuse .. sun engineers are porting zfs to fuse .. you trust sun engineers |
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| 14:30.58 | FuzzyB | yes i trust fuse, but it was my understanding that someone outside of sun was writing zfs for linux |
| 14:31.10 | abrotman | i just asked you and you said they were! |
| 14:31.36 | FuzzyB | i think you misunderstand me |
| 14:31.43 | FuzzyB | i don't have a problem with fuse |
| 14:31.48 | abrotman | <abrotman> aren't the Sun/OpenSOlaris engineers the ones porting zfs to Fuse and *bsd ? |
| 14:31.50 | abrotman | you said ya! |
| 14:31.52 | FuzzyB | yes |
| 14:31.56 | FuzzyB | to bsd that is |
| 14:32.06 | FuzzyB | sorry i didn't see that fuse part |
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| 14:33.10 | FuzzyB | I was wrong: http://www.wizy.org/wiki/ZFS_on_FUSE |
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| 14:33.49 | abrotman | FuzzyB: wrong about what? |
| 14:34.03 | FuzzyB | sun is writing the fuse module for linux |
| 14:34.11 | abrotman | oh .. sponsored by google ? |
| 14:34.13 | FuzzyB | i didn't think they were the ones doing it |
| 14:34.41 | FuzzyB | yea supposedly |
| 14:34.50 | FuzzyB | i dunno my mind is in other places |
| 14:34.59 | abrotman | wtf .. BloggerFS is a filesystem that allow Blogger users to manipulate posts on their blogs via a file interface. |
| 14:35.02 | frojnd | !! I am formatting disk and it's for 15 minutes like this: Writing inode tables: 55/307 |
| 14:35.05 | abrotman | oh .. i misread that |
| 14:35.40 | abrotman | frojnd: has it moved in awhile ? |
| 14:36.37 | FuzzyB | abrotman: it's crazy what you can do with fuse. If you know perl they have a fuse module that might be of interest |
| 14:37.23 | frojnd | abrotman: it was moving untull table 55 |
| 14:37.26 | themill | fuse really is taking the "everything is a file" and "everything is a filesystem" philosophies to the extreme.... |
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| 14:38.15 | FuzzyB | true, but it's really cool to make a virt filesystem that is backed by some custom database stuff |
| 14:38.28 | FuzzyB | pair fuse with a mysql cluster and you have some interesting possibilities |
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| 14:39.30 | mark__ | if i have a debian box with a custom kernel, how would you revert back to the debian packaged generic kernel? |
| 14:40.00 | wintix | mark__: just install it. |
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| 14:40.03 | petemc | install it |
| 14:40.08 | petemc | too slow |
| 14:40.11 | wintix | ;) |
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| 14:41.28 | jelly-home | not just install it, ... install and reboot! |
| 14:41.50 | Braindead | and/or fix grub accordingly |
| 14:41.53 | Naitse | hi, any boddy knows howto modify things on "Storage devices" in the konkeror |
| 14:42.24 | Naitse | or how to make that the udev show only partitions tht I want |
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| 14:44.20 | sciboy | Hey guys, I had to skip the package selection bit in the installation, how would I grab the same packages as "desktop/standard enviroment" now? |
| 14:44.47 | themill | sciboy: run tasksel |
| 14:45.00 | sciboy | K, tasksel keep stalling on me. |
| 14:45.15 | themill | :( any error messages? |
| 14:45.39 | Naitse | ok... on the debian documentations pages ther is not information on how to modifi the udev |
| 14:46.15 | Naitse | and the only "readme" of udev with some info is a mess ... where can i find good documentation?? |
| 14:46.25 | sciboy | themill, Not that I can see, it just says Please wait and won't move. |
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| 14:47.54 | lewis222 | is there such a package as ffmpeg-php? |
| 14:48.23 | Braindead | w00t? |
| 14:49.05 | Eulex | lewis222, not in debian. |
| 14:49.12 | userek | okay im trying to install php4-mysql on debian sarge, http://pastebin.ca/658328 any ideas? |
| 14:49.14 | sciboy | Brb |
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| 14:50.45 | sohmestra | Naitse: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html <-- (googled "udev") |
| 14:50.59 | jelly-home | userek: you have nasty third-party repositories in your /etc/apt/sources.list. Get rid of them. |
| 14:51.04 | Naitse | ok so any boddy on this channel knows nothig of udev?? |
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| 14:51.25 | jelly-home | Naitse: udev is work of the devil. :-| |
| 14:51.35 | jetscreamer | !jelly-home++ |
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| 14:52.05 | liable | udev is quite good now |
| 14:52.11 | Naitse | jelly-home, you are rigth |
| 14:52.17 | liable | even if it is still voodoo |
| 14:52.18 | jetscreamer | then why is the same bug still there :o |
| 14:52.29 | userek | jelly-home, this is my source.list http://pastebin.ca/658338 |
| 14:52.39 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: In my defense, I've just finished a House, M.D. marathon and am feeling somewhat bitchy |
| 14:52.40 | dwon | liable: Compared with devfs or static device nodes, I agree. |
| 14:52.51 | DustyBin | could i install a 686 kernel for a AMD Barton 3000+ chip? |
| 14:52.56 | userek | there were some thrid party reppositories however i commented them all |
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| 14:53.03 | jetscreamer | DustyBin: no that's for intel |
| 14:53.11 | themill | userek: yes, that is your sources.list now. But you've got php stuff installed from the dotdeb repos still |
| 14:53.11 | jetscreamer | get the -k7 or so |
| 14:53.13 | frog | what is the acutual update-modules force ? |
| 14:53.16 | DustyBin | yes i know, but there are no xen k7 kernels |
| 14:53.24 | jetscreamer | update-modules is deprecated |
| 14:53.37 | Naitse | the udev show me things that i do not need to seee damm udev |
| 14:53.49 | userek | themill, oh |
| 14:54.09 | frog | jetscreamer: yes i see, that why i ask |
| 14:54.16 | jelly-home | userek: pastebin dpkg -l "php4*" |grep ^.i to confirm |
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| 14:54.19 | jetscreamer | no idea |
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| 14:54.30 | userek | its not my server im just upgrading it so everythign is possible :P |
| 14:55.09 | jelly-home | userek: well, the owner has been using dotdeb packages. Anything is possible. |
| 14:55.25 | userek | ii php4 4.1.2-7.0.1 A server-side, HTML-embedded scripting langu ii php4-common 4.4.7-0.dotdeb Common files for packages built from the php |
| 14:55.37 | L0cKn | chi sa cosa significa il *121* prima di un numero? sono da scheda vodafone :E |
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| 14:56.07 | jelly-home | userek: "pastebin" != "paste here on the channel" |
| 14:56.17 | jetscreamer | !info linux-image-2.6.22-1-vserver-k7 |
| 14:56.22 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.22-1-vserver-k7: (Linux 2.6.22 image on AMD K7), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.22-3 (sid), Packaged size: 18008 kB, Installed size: 52672 kB |
| 14:56.25 | userek | well its only two lines |
| 14:56.30 | jelly-home | ... a nice mix of dotdeb and woody. |
| 14:56.32 | jetscreamer | no more xen names in sid |
| 14:56.42 | jetscreamer | i know nothing though |
| 14:57.00 | jelly-home | userek: I'd purge them both, then reinstall. |
| 14:57.11 | userek | okay i'll try |
| 14:57.22 | themill | why is it that backports.org seems to produce packages that usually work without any problems but dotdeb seems to cause problems? |
| 14:57.35 | themill | userek: you might like to back up your config files before purging |
| 14:57.36 | jelly-home | userek: make sure you have a backup of php configuration before purging ;-) |
| 14:57.39 | L0cKn | oops themill |
| 14:57.40 | L0cKn | sorry |
| 14:57.41 | L0cKn | :D |
| 14:57.43 | L0cKn | (amsg) |
| 14:57.44 | L0cKn | :/ |
| 14:57.53 | Wei | hello, does anyone know, which option in the kernel is responsible for the auto-recognition of usb stick, because after i compiled the kernel, my usb stick can not be automaticly recognized. |
| 14:57.55 | sciboy | themill, It's not moving but I'll give it the benefit of the doubt and leave it open. |
| 14:57.58 | userek | well i do have it alredy |
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| 14:58.16 | lewis222 | http://packages.debian.org/testing/source/ffmpeg-php - nothing in stable? |
| 14:58.30 | themill | L0cKn: no problem. My Italian is a little rusty so I wasn't sure if you were channel spamming or just a little lost and looking for debian help ;) |
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| 14:58.39 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 14:58.39 | dpkg | i heard search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 14:59.31 | sciboy | Is there a way to find out what packages tasksel would've installed for a selected task? |
| 14:59.39 | jetscreamer | !tell lewis222 -about simple sid backport |
| 15:00.03 | themill | sciboy: look through /usr/share/tasksel/debian-tasks.desc |
| 15:00.13 | jetscreamer | die tasksel die |
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| 15:02.05 | themill | sciboy: also look in /usr/share/doc/tasksel/README.gz for a description of that file |
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| 15:02.17 | userek | it seems to work fine thanks! |
| 15:02.20 | liable | whoah, jetscreamer telling tasksel to die? has hell frozen over? |
| 15:02.24 | kanedaddy | that's a secret |
| 15:02.31 | liable | doh me |
| 15:02.40 | jetscreamer | i've always not liked tasksels selections.. the laptop one seems ok |
| 15:02.56 | liable | confused tasksel with with that other horrible package manager thing |
| 15:03.01 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
| 15:03.06 | themill | selecting nothing in tasksel always seems to be the safe option |
| 15:03.07 | jetscreamer | dselect is your god, yes |
| 15:03.15 | themill | !kill dselect |
| 15:03.52 | jetscreamer | if dselect had a collapsible tree the world would still be using dselect |
| 15:03.57 | snowbird | pours salt iin wounds |
| 15:04.28 | jetscreamer | in the selecton menu i mean |
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| 15:05.51 | userek | can anyone confirm that etch doesn't work with 2.4 kernels? |
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| 15:06.23 | liable | no, seeing as it still has the option to install with one |
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| 15:06.44 | jetscreamer | udev doesn't |
| 15:06.57 | future | How can I make 'apt-get' give me the progress in percentage when I pipe it to another program? |
| 15:06.58 | liable | udev!=debian |
| 15:07.10 | userek | oh |
| 15:07.10 | jetscreamer | i was just saying |
| 15:07.22 | userek | so i'll have to stay with sarge |
| 15:07.41 | liable | jetscreamer: i was actually typing out that disclaimer when you replied :) |
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| 15:08.37 | abrotman | userek: it might .. but it's a bad idea |
| 15:08.58 | shwouchk | hi |
| 15:08.59 | userek | i see |
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| 15:09.01 | jetscreamer | i wonder if it's the 2.4 or the udev that won't play nice with etch or lenny |
| 15:09.17 | userek | im not going to check :) |
| 15:09.23 | shwouchk | hi |
| 15:09.24 | jetscreamer | me neither |
| 15:09.51 | shwouchk | I have a mountpoint which I want to be writable to all users... what should I add to the options? (if it is mounted at boot) |
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| 15:10.25 | jetscreamer | man mount, search umask , uid, gid ... fmask & dmask if vfat or ntfs |
| 15:10.50 | shwouchk | jetscreamer: it is xfs |
| 15:10.57 | shwouchk | jetscreamer: and I read man mount |
| 15:11.00 | petemc | theres something to do with glibc that needs a kernel greater than 2.6.8 |
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| 15:11.04 | abrotman | fix the mount point |
| 15:11.15 | shwouchk | abrotman: in what way? |
| 15:11.17 | abrotman | petemc: i think that's only in newer libc than etch has |
| 15:11.19 | mha | http://ircgeeks.net/~micke/desk_infnix.png, /me happy... :] |
| 15:11.29 | petemc | abrotman: i think you're right |
| 15:11.31 | leafwiz | Is there a way that works , to stream content over smb from a samba server? Using gnome? |
| 15:11.31 | jetscreamer | you could just chown -R /mountpoint |
| 15:11.32 | abrotman | shwouchk: so the perms are correct |
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| 15:11.36 | jetscreamer | or whatever |
| 15:11.54 | petemc | leafwiz: where does gnome come into it? |
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| 15:12.19 | leafwiz | Well.. In kde, you have the run -> smb://servername |
| 15:12.21 | frojnd | allrighty. Something is seriously wrong. I've beeing tryed to format hdd1 with commadn: mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdd1 but everything's stoped at the table 55: Writing inode tables: 55/307 What do u suggest ?? |
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| 15:12.38 | abrotman | leafwiz: that's not a stream |
| 15:12.43 | petemc | leafwiz: there should be a gnome-vfs or nautilis-vfs library that handles that |
| 15:13.03 | jelly-home | frojnd: how long have you waited? |
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| 15:13.12 | leafwiz | when you watch a movie from that share, there's a stream :) |
| 15:13.17 | frojnd | jelly-home: a bout 30 min |
| 15:13.18 | shwouchk | abrotman: HOW do I fix it? what do I need to do so the perms are correct? |
| 15:13.29 | abrotman | leafwiz: but has nothing to do with "streaming over smb" |
| 15:13.35 | jelly-home | frojnd: anything funny in dmesg or /var/log/kern.log? |
| 15:13.38 | leafwiz | petemc: okay, i'll check it out |
| 15:13.43 | abrotman | shwouchk: probably like all your other mount points |
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| 15:15.10 | sleek | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.10 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 15:15.13 | sleek | wtf |
| 15:15.26 | jelly-home | dpkg: you're smart |
| 15:15.26 | dpkg | beyond your comprehension |
| 15:15.33 | jetscreamer | lol |
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| 15:15.57 | shwouchk | abrotman: ... all my other mount points are that way as well |
| 15:16.14 | jelly-home | shwouchk: which filesystem are you using? |
| 15:16.15 | jetscreamer | sleek: don't dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/x11proto-core-dev_7.0.10-2_all.deb whatever you do |
| 15:16.18 | thirst | any way to know which repository was used to download a particular .deb when the package was installed ? |
| 15:16.26 | sleek | I am not |
| 15:16.29 | sleek | this is lenny btw |
| 15:16.32 | shwouchk | jetscreamer:xfs |
| 15:16.34 | jetscreamer | sleek: that was a joke |
| 15:16.40 | jetscreamer | sleek: try it |
| 15:16.51 | sleek | should I ? |
| 15:16.56 | jetscreamer | shwouchk: chmod/chown /mountpoint |
| 15:17.04 | jetscreamer | sleek: what is the error |
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| 15:17.12 | jetscreamer | not overwriting? |
| 15:17.18 | sleek | will it break anything ? I know it's only saying a missing newline.. |
| 15:17.27 | sleek | but it could mean a corrupt archive |
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| 15:17.45 | sleek | oh |
| 15:17.53 | sleek | my paste didn't include the error |
| 15:17.55 | sleek | one second |
| 15:18.01 | jetscreamer | sleek: well it's a judgement call... if it's just trying to overwrite something supplied by another package, usually np. what you say.. maybe p |
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| 15:18.22 | lewis222 | what is a .tbz2 file? |
| 15:18.23 | shwouchk | jetscreamer: I don't wan't to chown it... and chmodding does nothing |
| 15:18.32 | jetscreamer | k |
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| 15:18.40 | baikonur | hi |
| 15:18.49 | sleek | http://paste.debian.net/34703 |
| 15:18.51 | sleek | there |
| 15:19.10 | abrotman | lewis222: tar.bz2 |
| 15:19.10 | jelly-home | lewis222: a result of someone being too lazy to type .tar.bz2? |
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| 15:19.37 | baikonur | how can I remove a hidden truecrypt partition? unlike a container there is no file that can be simply removed |
| 15:19.41 | antgel_ | what's my name? |
| 15:19.53 | abrotman | bitch |
| 15:20.00 | beardy | lewis222: What they said, 'file somefile.tbz2' will also tell you. |
| 15:20.01 | jelly-home | Unknown |
| 15:20.02 | jetscreamer | sleek: you might want to edit the unpacked file and add that newline, the force would probably mess up |
| 15:20.16 | antgel_ | abrotman: you're crusin' for a brusin'! |
| 15:20.32 | beardy | Bitchslap him. |
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| 15:20.41 | jetscreamer | i'll have to guess anthony, antgel_ |
| 15:20.45 | jetscreamer | was i close? |
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| 15:20.47 | shwouchk | jetscreamer: nm, got it to work... I had some bad options in fstab |
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| 15:20.53 | frog | can i stream over nat? |
| 15:20.56 | shwouchk | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 15:21.21 | antgel | jetscreamer: what's close? i can't be bothered to google it ;) |
| 15:21.21 | liable | can i phone a friend? |
| 15:21.36 | jetscreamer | so your name is not anthony then |
| 15:21.36 | antgel | liable: you have one lifeline left |
| 15:21.38 | jetscreamer | lies |
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| 15:21.49 | beardy | Filthy ones? |
| 15:21.50 | kisi | hello, is there anyone can help me |
| 15:21.56 | sleek | jetscreamer, which file is the list ? |
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| 15:22.02 | Ronin | kisi: only if you tell us the problem |
| 15:22.10 | beardy | Ask and we will see. |
| 15:22.11 | liable | and even then, maybe not |
| 15:22.12 | sleek | I haven't been in the 'editing a .deb' section |
| 15:22.16 | antgel | kisi:change starts from within |
| 15:22.27 | antgel | wow, it's like i hit you all with the sarcasm stick |
| 15:22.30 | liable | or the surgeons table |
| 15:22.41 | jetscreamer | sleek: not sure, it's somewhere under /var/cache i 'think' |
| 15:22.48 | jelly-home | I bet everyong else has been watching House too. |
| 15:23.00 | sleek | I have opened the .deb file |
| 15:23.04 | DustyDingo | what is the best way to install unstable? testing/stable netinstall cd and then an update with a modified sourcelist? |
| 15:23.15 | jetscreamer | no DustyBin |
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| 15:23.24 | jetscreamer | changes sources.list is all |
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| 15:23.35 | DustyDingo | jetscreamer: what else? |
| 15:23.51 | sleek | sources.list ? |
| 15:23.53 | jetscreamer | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ... make that aptitude |
| 15:23.53 | sleek | oh |
| 15:23.54 | antgel | DustyDingo: yep, in fact the stable installer will let you choose unstable if you're in EXPERT mode |
| 15:23.56 | sleek | nvr mind |
| 15:24.06 | DustyDingo | unlink: ah, ok |
| 15:24.23 | DustyDingo | unlink: because i don't want to download unecessary old stuff |
| 15:24.26 | uptownben | Hi All. I should be able to 1. install debian without a swap partition to avoid swapping to disk, 2. remove gnome/kde and configure icewm.. correct? |
| 15:24.27 | jetscreamer | sleek: i think you want to edit the already extracted file, but i'm not sure.. think i did something like that a year ago |
| 15:24.32 | kisi | my wireless cards is prism 2.5, installed in kernel , but now sometimes it would loss package ,ex now |
| 15:24.42 | jetscreamer | sleek: or just put it on hold till they fix the package |
| 15:24.48 | jetscreamer | sleek: check bdo |
| 15:24.49 | antgel | uptownben: oh yeah. have it your way |
| 15:24.50 | jetscreamer | !bdo |
| 15:24.50 | dpkg | i heard bdo is ask my about <bts>also http://backports.debian.org ask me about <backports> |
| 15:24.57 | jetscreamer | err |
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| 15:24.59 | jetscreamer | !bts |
| 15:24.59 | dpkg | hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 15:25.00 | liable | uptownben: not having a swap partition is *not* going to stop the os swapping |
| 15:25.09 | uptownben | can I specify icewm during the install? |
| 15:25.12 | petemc | uptownben: the installer forces you to make a swap area i believe , tho you can perhaps bypass this in expert install |
| 15:25.13 | jelly-home | liable: uh, yes it is? |
| 15:25.18 | liable | uptownben: well, it will, because it wont get the chance and will just crash instead |
| 15:25.39 | antgel | uptownben: just install the standard system then install icewm |
| 15:25.39 | sleek | ok thanks jetscreamer |
| 15:25.44 | Braindead | uptownben: and btw you are not forced to install a full DE. do a minimal install then icewm |
| 15:25.45 | jetscreamer | uptownben: take all the marks off in tasksel when installing, apt0get install icewm icewm-themes xorg when done |
| 15:25.49 | sleek | I will try to get this working first though |
| 15:25.53 | sleek | it's quite important :) |
| 15:26.05 | uptownben | So I guess debian isnt the distro for me if I have limited memory and cant use swap...? |
| 15:26.15 | jetscreamer | uptownben: use a swap file |
| 15:26.20 | jetscreamer | you don't ' |
| 15:26.24 | liable | jelly-home: what happens when it runs out of memory then? |
| 15:26.25 | jetscreamer | have' to use a partition |
| 15:26.40 | jelly-home | liable: Kernel's OOM killer! |
| 15:26.40 | h3sp4wn | uptownben: Not really try a uclibc based system |
| 15:26.45 | Braindead | enter the OOM Killer! reap it down! |
| 15:26.49 | uptownben | I want to install Debina on a CF card.. cant have swap |
| 15:26.56 | jelly-home | liable: it's teh win, I hear |
| 15:27.00 | antgel | !tell uptownben about dsl |
| 15:27.19 | sleek | Debina sounds extra-feminine |
| 15:27.50 | Braindead | uptownben: debootstrap |
| 15:27.50 | jetscreamer | no it doesn't, because i knew a larger chick named regina |
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| 15:28.08 | pihhan | if you dont have swap, you need make system to dont need much memory |
| 15:28.12 | Braindead | uptownben: and btw I wouldn't install there directly, the less RW you do on the card the better it is |
| 15:28.13 | sleek | http://backports.debian.org/, Server not found |
| 15:28.20 | sleek | everything stopped working on me today |
| 15:28.26 | pihhan | install using debbootstrap and try flashhybrid package |
| 15:28.32 | liable | jelly-home: interesting, first time i've learnt something here in ages. you win a half chewed gummy bear! |
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| 15:28.47 | lewis222 | sorry - what happened to the bunzip package? |
| 15:28.48 | jelly-home | sleek: that's because it's called "backports.org" |
| 15:28.50 | themill | sleek: that's correct... are you looking for backports.org? or bugs.debian.org? |
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| 15:29.02 | jetscreamer | but we were all here when you learned that your girlfriend thought you were fat & ugly... |
| 15:29.07 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 15:29.10 | uptownben | DSL is 2.4, I want 2.6 |
| 15:29.20 | sleek | dpkg> i heard bdo is ask my about <bts>also http://backports.debian.org ask me about <backports> |
| 15:29.20 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, sleek |
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| 15:29.24 | sleek | might want to correct that |
| 15:29.27 | jelly-home | liable: which flavor? |
| 15:29.39 | jetscreamer | !bts |
| 15:29.39 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 15:29.42 | DimGR_lap | what do you have to suggest for an issue tracking application to be installed on a Debian system ? |
| 15:29.43 | maxamillion | uptownben: then get something other than DSL |
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| 15:29.44 | ricky | sleek: The ask my part? |
| 15:29.47 | sleek | shut up dpkg you retarded misinforming bot |
| 15:29.49 | disposable | how can i make ssh server use port 80 instead of 22? |
| 15:29.53 | antgel | !tell disposable about polls |
| 15:29.55 | liable | jelly-home: latex |
| 15:29.57 | antgel | doh |
| 15:30.02 | jetscreamer | !kill sleek |
| 15:30.07 | sleek | AAAHH |
| 15:30.07 | antgel | !tell DimGR_lap about polls |
| 15:30.08 | Braindead | disposable: by editing the fine configuration file in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 15:30.12 | Gathond | disposable: change the Port setting in sshd_confi |
| 15:30.20 | Gathond | disposable: sshd_config anyway |
| 15:30.21 | jelly-home | liable: you know what you doing |
| 15:30.21 | DimGR_lap | wtf is that |
| 15:30.27 | themill | dpkg: no, bdo is <reply> for backports ask me about <backports>; for bugs ask me about <bts> |
| 15:30.27 | dpkg | okay, themill |
| 15:30.29 | disposable | antgel, wtf? |
| 15:30.35 | liable | jelly-home: not all all |
| 15:30.40 | disposable | Braindead, Gathond, thank you |
| 15:30.42 | antgel | disposable: yeah it was meant for DimGR_lap |
| 15:30.46 | jelly-home | liable: move zig. |
| 15:30.51 | frojnd | jelly-home: U asked before what went wrong when I tryed to format the disk... here is the dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33842/ |
| 15:31.02 | antgel | !tell frojnd about u |
| 15:31.22 | liable | hehe, goes to the expense of capitalising U! |
| 15:31.36 | antgel | i say we update debhelper to kick those who use txt talk :) |
| 15:31.37 | themill | dutch |
| 15:31.46 | jetscreamer | ok. so if i type the word you 50billion times, and the letter u 50 billion times, what do you suppose the savings, in minutes, is? |
| 15:31.48 | themill | antgel: pls don't... |
| 15:31.52 | liable | themill: no, you pay! |
| 15:31.59 | antgel | dutch people tend to speak better english than english people, ime |
| 15:32.16 | liable | i love dutch girls accent when they speak engrish |
| 15:32.19 | simonrvn | s,english,american, |
| 15:32.20 | liable | its way sexy |
| 15:32.24 | jelly-home | frojnd: bad cabling or a bad block on the disk |
| 15:32.36 | antgel | simonrvn: you including canadian in american? :P |
| 15:32.39 | frojnd | jelly-home: how can I format disk than :s |
| 15:33.01 | jelly-home | frojnd: it's a bad disk, don't put data on it |
| 15:33.04 | jetscreamer | dd the hd/partition first? then create? |
| 15:33.05 | simonrvn | dunno, i was thinking of bad english, and american came to mind |
| 15:33.12 | antgel | liable: i hear they love an outback aussie accent! |
| 15:33.21 | antgel | no drongo, cobber! |
| 15:33.22 | jetscreamer | i've had a couple 'errors' that fixed |
| 15:33.31 | liable | antgel: oi, fair dinkum? thats bonza! |
| 15:33.37 | antgel | hehe |
| 15:33.47 | jelly-home | siol.net sounds Slovenian to me. |
| 15:34.04 | sleek | knchwa |
| 15:34.15 | liable | napisan |
| 15:34.23 | simonrvn | kwe kwe |
| 15:34.32 | sleek | kurwa |
| 15:34.45 | jelly-home | that's Slovakian :-) |
| 15:34.48 | themill | antgel: where does this cobber thing come from? The poms keep on saying "cobber" to me as if I understand it, but I've never heard it in Australia. |
| 15:34.49 | jelly-home | (sp?) |
| 15:34.54 | sleek | is it ? |
| 15:35.06 | jelly-home | dunno, looks Polish |
| 15:35.07 | xlotlu | it's polish |
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| 15:35.13 | liable | themill: really? you come from sydney or something? |
| 15:35.18 | sleek | I thought it's polack ( or polish... from poland ) |
| 15:35.20 | antgel | themill: dunno cobber, must be something wrong with my drongo. who cut the dog in half anyway? |
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| 15:35.44 | themill | liable: yes... and melbourne |
| 15:35.56 | jelly-home | frojnd: If you really want to use that disk, look up badblocks |
| 15:36.01 | sleek | lots of Polish came to play Trem servers and ruined the game by spamming kurwas |
| 15:36.07 | antgel | themill: is that the posh bit? |
| 15:36.08 | sleek | * in Trem |
| 15:36.25 | themill | antgel: well, compared to Perth... |
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| 15:36.53 | antgel | themill: is perth where the unsavoury types live? |
| 15:37.02 | liable | themill: i am a recent immigrant to perth |
| 15:37.08 | antgel | simonrvn: maps.google.com |
| 15:37.16 | themill | antgel: oh yeah..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogan |
| 15:37.32 | simonrvn | i know the geography for the most part, i mean more the aussie words |
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| 15:37.56 | antgel | themill: sort of like an aussie chav? |
| 15:37.57 | themill | liable: d'oh was going so well for a sec |
| 15:38.10 | themill | antgel: yeah... sort of |
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| 15:38.36 | kenji | hello, from mysql command line how can I show all the users? (something llike show databases;) |
| 15:38.36 | frojnd | jelly-home: so my disk is scrapped? how can I look up badblocks |
| 15:38.47 | antgel | frojnd: just ditch it |
| 15:38.47 | liable | aw, i dunno if i'd compare a bogan to a chav |
| 15:38.56 | aadil | me heard em lassies from aussies are not that bad too |
| 15:38.57 | aadil | :d |
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| 15:38.58 | themill | kenji: use mysql; select * from users |
| 15:39.07 | liable | bogans are just losers, whereas chavs appears to be active wankers |
| 15:39.23 | antgel | kenji: have you looked this topic up in the MYSQL FRICKING MANUAL where its blatantly presented? |
| 15:39.28 | themill | aadil: sheilas, get it right ;) |
| 15:39.31 | kenji | antgel http://www.google.com.mx/search?hl=es&q=mysql+query+users&btnG=Buscar&meta= |
| 15:39.39 | themill | kenji: or use phpmyadmin... it's just easier |
| 15:39.43 | antgel | kenji: so what? |
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| 15:40.08 | antgel | kenji: there is a mysql manual. why not read it before trying random web searches |
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| 15:40.17 | aadil | themill, aye - but me though aussie is a brit place |
| 15:40.25 | liable | the mysql docs are quite extensive too |
| 15:40.26 | userek | okay, i want to print after login information about how many users are logged in im using who|wc -l |
| 15:40.29 | aadil | so lassies instead of sheilas |
| 15:40.30 | kenji | antgel how can I know the users from my mysql server? |
| 15:40.32 | userek | where shoudl i put shuch a script? |
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| 15:40.34 | aadil | and pricillas |
| 15:40.35 | ramiro | Is there a way to do a : "tar -cf file.tar /my_folder" ..... but : excluding files biggers to 1MB ? |
| 15:40.35 | aadil | :d |
| 15:40.35 | jelly-home | frojnd: Try doing some SMART tests with smartctl (smartmontools package). If you really want to use the disk, man badblocks, man mke2fs. |
| 15:41.05 | kenji | themill I wanna know the mysql users from my server |
| 15:41.09 | antgel | kenji: this feels like groundhog day |
| 15:41.12 | thirst | how can I add a directory full of .debs to my apt sources list |
| 15:41.20 | kenji | I don't know whats groundhog |
| 15:41.21 | antgel | thirst: man sources.list |
| 15:41.30 | antgel | kenji: i am /not/ surprised |
| 15:41.33 | aadil | kenji, show processlist |
| 15:41.48 | aadil | will show u all active connections to ur mysl server |
| 15:41.49 | kenji | tnks aadil :D |
| 15:41.56 | aadil | np |
| 15:42.03 | themill | liable: not a bad chav/bogan comparison. I'd been struggling to describe it. |
| 15:42.08 | frojnd | jelly-home: this dmesh output that I just ran, it allso appears during the sturt up of computer... |
| 15:42.10 | kenji | no no :S aadil I wanna know all the users of my mysql server |
| 15:42.11 | thirst | antgel: thanks |
| 15:42.12 | jelly-home | antgel: man sources.list has a howto on creating a local repo? |
| 15:42.27 | aadil | kenji, select * from mysql.users; |
| 15:42.48 | jelly-home | frojnd: so the disk is bad from before, OR it might be the cables. Check/replace them. |
| 15:42.49 | kenji | aadil I don't have a users DB |
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| 15:42.53 | ramiro | Is there a way to do a : "tar -cf file.tar /my_folder" ..... but : excluding files biggers to 1MB ? |
| 15:42.57 | aadil | then oops? |
| 15:42.58 | aadil | :d |
| 15:43.03 | frojnd | jelly-home: ok tnx |
| 15:43.31 | antgel | jelly-home: no, it should say how to add one though |
| 15:43.39 | kenji | aadil how can I list all the users on mysql? |
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| 15:43.54 | aadil | kenji, with the last command i gave u |
| 15:43.56 | simonrvn | kenji: yes you do, it's in 'mysql' |
| 15:43.56 | themill | kenji: install phpmyadmin and use that interface, it's easier |
| 15:44.01 | antgel | kenji: are you using debian? |
| 15:44.04 | aadil | the same command others gave u too |
| 15:44.05 | aadil | :d |
| 15:44.14 | kenji | themill I can't use phpmyadmin don't give me friki solutions |
| 15:44.23 | kenji | antgel I have debian yes |
| 15:44.25 | jelly-home | antgel: you really think a user who knows how to set up a repo doesn't know how to configure apt to use it? |
| 15:44.27 | themill | kenji: why not? |
| 15:44.42 | simonrvn | kenji: aren't you feeling bitchy today |
| 15:45.02 | kenji | themill because its a virtual enviroment just for mysql |
| 15:45.14 | themill | kenji: at the command line, it's the user table not users |
| 15:45.37 | kenji | simonrvn I don't have users database because I ran the mysql_secure_installation script |
| 15:46.01 | jelly-home | thirst: cd /where/your/debs/are; dpkg-scanpackage . /dev/null | gzip -9c > Packages.gz; then add "deb file:/where/your/debs/are ./" to your sources.list |
| 15:46.01 | simonrvn | go browse the mysql table |
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| 15:46.31 | kenji | how can I list all the mysql users from mysql command line? |
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| 15:47.19 | sleek | we should all leave linux and use windows instead |
| 15:47.25 | sleek | it uses mv instead of move ! |
| 15:47.31 | themill | kenji: use mysql; select * from user; |
| 15:47.34 | thirst | jelly-home: thanks a lot.. that was very helpful.. |
| 15:47.43 | themill | kenji: there's not much more we can tell you. |
| 15:47.58 | kenji | themill that work :D tnks |
| 15:48.01 | simonrvn | because there's not much more you need to do to find out |
| 15:48.10 | jelly-home | thirst: for more info /msg dpkg repository |
| 15:48.11 | simonrvn | themill told you that 5 min ago.... |
| 15:48.40 | liable | /msg dpkg suppository |
| 15:48.57 | jelly-home | suppose this |
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| 15:50.08 | brick | my ssh connections to home from work are timing out (debug1: connect to address 66........201 port 22: Connection timed out), but i can make the same connection from elsewhere (debug1: Connection established.). i already restarted my sshd. what else would you guys look into? |
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| 15:50.35 | themill | brick: iptables -L ? /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} |
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| 15:51.13 | jelly-home | brick: firewall at your work forbids outgoing ssh? |
| 15:51.25 | ramiro | Is there a way to do a : "tar -cf file.tar /my_folder" ..... but : excluding files biggers to 1MB ? |
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| 15:51.38 | brick | themill, no iptables in use. /etc/hosts.deny does contain "ALL: PARANOID" - not sure what this means. |
| 15:51.40 | jetscreamer | > |
| 15:51.48 | jelly-home | !tell ramiro -about repeat |
| 15:51.49 | jetscreamer | paranoid is extra anal |
| 15:51.51 | brick | jelly-home, i checked with the net-ops team and they don't filter any outgoing traffic. |
| 15:51.53 | simonrvn | yeh, .fr.debian is slow as molasses.... |
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| 15:52.02 | brick | jetscreamer, i.e. possibly blocking these sessions? |
| 15:52.14 | jetscreamer | brick: i forget, but it's in the manpage iirc |
| 15:52.18 | jetscreamer | but i think so |
| 15:52.23 | jelly-home | brick: can you confirm this with eg. "tcptraceroute home-ip 22"? |
| 15:52.30 | ramiro | <jelly-home> thanks |
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| 15:52.43 | FuzzyB | kenji: do a select * from user; on the mysql table |
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| 15:53.04 | kenji | FuzzyB very late :P |
| 15:53.04 | brick | jelly-home, good idea. |
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| 15:53.13 | kenji | FuzzyB try next time :P |
| 15:53.22 | liable | FuzzyB: dude, your like, lagging rly bad, lol |
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| 15:53.33 | FuzzyB | joy |
| 15:53.49 | liable | ok, time to put brain back in enclosure |
| 15:53.50 | jelly-home | ramiro: you can use find to display all the filenames matching, redirect that output into a file, then tell tar to only archive the names from that file. |
| 15:54.05 | jetscreamer | hmmm |
| 15:54.11 | brick | jelly-home, there appears to be no (tcp)traceroute on that machine. bah! |
| 15:54.15 | ramiro | <jelly-home> sounds interesting, i will tray that |
| 15:54.16 | jetscreamer | even windows has a livecd... debian doesn't :o |
| 15:54.25 | liable | jetscreamer: yes it does |
| 15:54.30 | liable | !debian live |
| 15:54.30 | brick | i am wondering if the PARANOID record matches here "any host whose name does not match its address." |
| 15:54.34 | liable | meh |
| 15:54.42 | liable | !debianlive |
| 15:54.48 | jetscreamer | liable: yeah i know, but it's not official or done or released yet eh? |
| 15:54.48 | liable | bah humbug |
| 15:54.56 | jelly-home | brick: it does check both forward and reverse DNS AFAIR |
| 15:55.09 | liable | jetscreamer: i think its actually official now, though not positive on that one |
| 15:55.21 | brick | jelly-home, so likely an IP address change in the office network means that it now matches this rule!@ |
| 15:55.24 | jetscreamer | hell even ubuntu has one |
| 15:55.25 | jelly-home | brick: but you wouldn't get a timed out connection if it was tcp_wrappers stopping you |
| 15:55.29 | brick | and they had been making such changes |
| 15:56.21 | brick | hosts.deny is a simple security mechanism, right? removing the ALL:PARANOID is just going to mean more possible machines can reach mine, i take it |
| 15:56.38 | jelly-home | right |
| 15:57.01 | brick | OK, i shall try to forge an allow rule for this |
| 15:57.07 | brick | thank you for the help, jelly-home! |
| 15:57.14 | brick | you too, themill, jetscreamer |
| 15:57.27 | jetscreamer | i didn't do it i know nothing! |
| 15:57.32 | jelly-home | brick: however if it were /etc/hosts.deny stopping, you would be able to establish a tcp connection |
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| 15:58.42 | jelly-home | brick: do you have something like fail2ban or some iptables-based protection from brute-force ssh attacks? |
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| 15:59.19 | sleek | jetscreamer, it was my mistake |
| 15:59.22 | sleek | bad shutdown earlier |
| 15:59.34 | simonrvn | it won't block you from making 1 or 2 conn's at once. if you're sending a whole bunch of packets at once, yes it will |
| 15:59.34 | sleek | the .list in /var/lib/dpkg/info got corrupted |
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| 15:59.37 | brick | jelly-home, the only protection i know of is the port filtering on my WRT54G |
| 15:59.48 | brick | yeah, still timing out.... shit |
| 15:59.49 | jetscreamer | !congratulate sleek |
| 15:59.49 | dpkg | Nice one sleek, you did it! |
| 15:59.58 | jetscreamer | heh double entendre |
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| 16:00.17 | sleek | I shoud restart and run fsck |
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| 16:00.25 | Zmanu | hello |
| 16:00.28 | sleek | later |
| 16:00.31 | jetscreamer | sleek: if it's not / no need, just umount |
| 16:00.38 | simonrvn | sleek: touch /forcefsck |
| 16:00.41 | sleek | it is :) |
| 16:00.49 | Zmanu | how can i install a package for sid under my etch with not a lot of problems ? |
| 16:00.59 | jetscreamer | what he said, which is what shutdown -Fr now does i think |
| 16:01.01 | jelly-home | Zmanu: no way. |
| 16:01.06 | simonrvn | jelly-home: yup |
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| 16:01.09 | jetscreamer | !bdo |
| 16:01.09 | dpkg | for backports ask me about <backports>; for bugs ask me about <bts> |
| 16:01.10 | Zmanu | jelly-home: serious ? |
| 16:01.11 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: ^^^ |
| 16:01.11 | jetscreamer | lol |
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| 16:01.24 | jelly-home | Zmanu: use backports instead |
| 16:01.29 | Zmanu | ok |
| 16:02.27 | jelly-home | Zmanu: if there is not backport, you can try doing it yourself. /msg dpkg simple sid backport ... the procedure may fail more often than not |
| 16:02.42 | felix_da_cat | How do I install ncurses with apt-get? |
| 16:02.59 | themill | jetscreamer: I fixed up that bdo factoid earlier today as it was talking rubbish and had dead URLs in it. |
| 16:03.04 | felix_da_cat | apt-get install ncurses didn't work. |
| 16:03.15 | Zmanu | jelly-home: package i'm looking for is not in backports |
| 16:03.26 | liable | felix_da_cat: what are you needing to do? |
| 16:03.31 | simonrvn | felix_da_cat: duh. search for it instead of guessing, if you don't know. |
| 16:03.34 | beardy | felix_da_cat: Compiling a kernel? |
| 16:04.22 | felix_da_cat | No, just trying to load ncdu |
| 16:04.27 | antgel | felix_da_cat: aptitude search ncurses |
| 16:04.31 | felix_da_cat | ah. Thanks. |
| 16:04.37 | jelly-home | Zmanu: well, then it's backport building for you, I guess. which package are you looking for btw? |
| 16:04.49 | Zmanu | warsow and warsow-data |
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| 16:05.38 | felix_da_cat | So much easier when you know how to search. |
| 16:06.00 | simonrvn | felix_da_cat: apt-cache search and antgel's |
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| 16:06.22 | jelly-home | Zmanu: if you're lucky, it'll build with stable versions of its dependencies (sdl and whatever else) |
| 16:06.29 | themill | !tell felix_da_cat about search |
| 16:06.42 | simonrvn | thanks was about to do that :) |
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| 16:07.11 | themill | itchy fingers... |
| 16:07.15 | simonrvn | :) |
| 16:07.38 | jelly-home | update with .pdiffs is so slow. :-| |
| 16:07.44 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 16:07.52 | jetscreamer | pdiff sucks if you don't update often |
| 16:08.24 | jelly-home | it doesn't use the bandwidth available, just cpu |
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| 16:08.55 | jelly-home | should download it all first, then crunch away |
| 16:08.58 | simonrvn | i update every day, it's a lot faster |
| 16:09.18 | not_benh | dont know if theres a better place to ask this... is there a way to make a single simlink that points to two dirs? |
| 16:09.38 | felix_da_cat | cool, thanks guys. That got me going. :-) |
| 16:09.45 | simonrvn | felix_da_cat: cool |
| 16:09.46 | jelly-home | not_benh: what do you mean? |
| 16:09.53 | liable | jesus christ, i removed java because of its retarded depends on avahi, now some other stupid fucking package installs it |
| 16:10.09 | simonrvn | !kill avahi |
| 16:10.15 | jelly-home | liable: yay for ubuntu maintainers! |
| 16:10.27 | simonrvn | !kill java |
| 16:10.32 | not_benh | jelly-home: I'm trying to set up a dir to be served via apache, but half of everything is from rsync the rest is from svn. |
| 16:10.48 | jelly-home | not_benh: so cerate a cymlink farm |
| 16:11.00 | not_benh | jelly-home: if one of these dirs were 'static' then I would just pull from each as symlinks |
| 16:11.09 | not_benh | jelly-home: but there both in flux daily |
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| 16:11.16 | themill | not_benh: is sounds like you probably want some mod_rewrite magic to look in one place and if not found look in the other |
| 16:11.23 | jelly-home | not_benh: then there's unionfs, but I have no idea how good is it |
| 16:11.24 | jetscreamer | yeh i gave up trying to keep udev and avahi out of my box |
| 16:11.28 | brick | not_benh, but the top point of each tree _is_ static |
| 16:11.35 | not_benh | themill: ohh had not though of that |
| 16:12.04 | not_benh | brick: yes the root of each dir is static just the innards that flux |
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| 16:12.27 | jelly-home | not_benh: so make a third rsynced tree with data from both? |
| 16:12.27 | brick | not_benh, then you can symlink to those roots and let the rest change |
| 16:12.37 | sleek | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.55 | eth01 | how do i stop mysql in debian/ |
| 16:13.02 | not_benh | jelly-home: thats a wonderful idea. |
| 16:13.05 | sleek | grr |
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| 16:13.10 | themill | not_benh: I use this for custom icons with apache2: http://pastebin.ca/658412 |
| 16:13.16 | jetscreamer | mount a grassroots campaign and lobby for the removal |
| 16:13.21 | sleek | is it safe to delete the .list files under /var/lib/dpkg/info ? |
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| 16:13.29 | jelly-home | sleek: NO |
| 16:13.32 | sleek | ok |
| 16:13.33 | brick | no no no |
| 16:13.46 | sleek | I'll just delete the fscked one and reinstall then |
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| 16:14.01 | jelly-home | long as it's not libc6.list... |
| 16:14.02 | not_benh | themill: cool thanks for the idea |
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| 16:14.46 | simonrvn | themill: neat |
| 16:14.53 | jetscreamer | --clear-avail |
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| 16:15.42 | eth01 | how do i stop mysqld? |
| 16:15.51 | simonrvn | use the init script |
| 16:16.16 | jetscreamer | use the force luke |
| 16:16.25 | felix_da_cat | Wow. If you haven't tried ncdu yet it is definately worth it. took less than 30 seconds to find the two large files that ate up my drive last night. |
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| 16:16.35 | georgy28 | eth01, : /etc/init.d/mysqld stop |
| 16:16.37 | sleek | ahh |
| 16:16.41 | frankr | anyone know a one-line way to convert a wma to an mp3? |
| 16:16.42 | sleek | thanks jetscreamer |
| 16:16.42 | themill | simonrvn: unfortunately, when you put things like this in conf.d you still have to hack at the main apache.conf to get them to work as the conf.d stuff is loaded before the rest of apache's default settings. I truly don't understand why it's done that way. |
| 16:16.47 | simonrvn | felix_da_cat: i have. it's pretty neat. cleaned up my ~/ the other day with it |
| 16:16.48 | frankr | I was using mplayer to decode it then lame to encode it but I don't wanna do that now |
| 16:17.11 | simonrvn | themill: re-order the conf.d stuff |
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| 16:17.39 | jetscreamer | !info avidemux |
| 16:17.46 | simonrvn | i stick it after my other stuff (yes i keep my apache2.conf from being "upgraded" by the package's) |
| 16:17.48 | jetscreamer | that won't work will it |
| 16:17.55 | jetscreamer | !debian-multimedia |
| 16:17.55 | dpkg | it has been said that debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 16:17.58 | themill | simonrvn: yeah, I move the Include conf.d to the bottom of the apache.conf file, but I just don't understand why it's not there to begin with. |
| 16:18.10 | simonrvn | themill: *shrug* |
| 16:18.24 | simonrvn | lack of foresight? |
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| 16:18.43 | simonrvn | which is odd, considering the state of the rest of the apache2- stuff |
| 16:18.51 | themill | simonrvn: it seems to defeat the purpose, but the apache maintainers are normally pretty clued up so I presume it's sensible in some way |
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| 16:19.05 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 16:19.45 | simonrvn | well, there's the charset for one thing |
| 16:20.17 | simonrvn | but you could just Include that directly |
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| 16:20.17 | SerajewelKS | frankr: it's unlikely any free software will do so, at least free software in debian, since microsoft is pretty aggresive about enforcing its patents (see the virtualdub case) |
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| 16:20.53 | frankr | SerajewelKS: VirtualDub case? |
| 16:20.57 | simonrvn | themill: mind if i /msg you? |
| 16:21.07 | themill | ok |
| 16:21.08 | SerajewelKS | frankr: google virtualdub microsoft |
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| 16:26.05 | nweaver916 | anyone know why exim has all the directories/files under etc, when I told it to use one file for config? |
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| 16:28.14 | jetscreamer | maybe it's not using them |
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| 16:31.06 | DustyBin | jesus, look at all those distros comming off of the debian line in this graph: http://futurist.se/gldt/ldt75.png |
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| 16:31.41 | simonrvn | DustyBin: there's something like 150 or something IIRC |
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| 16:38.14 | MangosDebian | ubuntu comprimised? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2007-August/001510.html |
| 16:38.47 | Braindead | MangosDebian: already slashdotted |
| 16:39.04 | MangosDebian | Braindead: thats where i got the initial url |
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| 16:40.09 | ProN00b | i wonder if anyone knows where i could get a 64bit debian qemu image ? installing takes so painfully long |
| 16:41.18 | Braindead | ProN00b: www.oszoo.org maybe |
| 16:41.37 | jetscreamer | thank god i finally got unlazy enough to kill pdiffs on my laptop also |
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| 16:46.45 | ProN00b | Braindead, nope, no info if the images there are 64 or 32, so i asume the later |
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| 16:50.44 | ProN00b | does anyone know where i could find a 64bit debian etch freeshell or a qemu image of it ? |
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| 16:53.13 | silvertip257 | I am using the Debian Etch (4.0) net install CD img to install it on a laptop. I can configure everything w/o an error until I get to specifying the mirror I want to retrieve select pkgs from. It fails after downloading all the 669 files or w/e number. |
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| 16:53.40 | themill | silvertip257: can you give us a specfic error message? |
| 16:53.52 | snowbird | have u tried another mirrow |
| 16:54.05 | silvertip257 | gimme a sec, I will run it again -- yes many mirrors themill / snowbird |
| 16:54.48 | themill | silvertip257: perhaps try selecting nothing at the tasksel stage to make life easier, faster, reduce bandwidth etc |
| 16:54.51 | silvertip257 | ok configuring apt goes fine and well |
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| 16:55.49 | silvertip257 | themill - can I still get the pkgs I want (this is my first try at debian, but I've used other distros) |
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| 16:55.49 | antgel | silvertip257: have you read the release notes and install guide? |
| 16:55.57 | silvertip257 | at software selection, it has laptop and standard system already checked - I want desktop env too. |
| 16:55.59 | themill | silvertip257: yes, you can do the smallest install you want and then load lots of packages with aptitude or tasksel afterwards |
| 16:56.08 | silvertip257 | ok. |
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| 16:56.32 | silvertip257 | what am I doing wrong? - I don't care about bandwidth, btw |
| 16:56.43 | snowbird | the mills way is the best |
| 16:56.49 | jetscreamer | alright, no more apt-get remove --purge |
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| 16:56.59 | silvertip257 | ? |
| 16:56.59 | jetscreamer | apt-get autoremove --purge |
| 16:57.05 | themill | snowbird: thanks for the vote of confidence..... |
| 16:57.17 | silvertip257 | ok snowbird / themill |
| 16:57.20 | themill | silvertip257: you're unlikely to be doing anything wrong. |
| 16:57.21 | silvertip257 | guess I'll try that |
| 16:57.24 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: wtf happened? oh, yeh, seems to me that's potentially dangerous |
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| 16:57.37 | silvertip257 | themill: then how come I can't download anything from the mirrors/repos |
| 16:57.56 | jetscreamer | simonrvn: i'll find out the hard way and let you know :) |
| 16:57.59 | snowbird | bad disc? |
| 16:58.15 | simonrvn | i just have 2 things in the 'autoremove', but i imagine having a whole bunch of things could make it deadly |
| 16:58.18 | themill | silvertip257: it sounds like you have managed to download everything, just that they won't installed |
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| 16:58.39 | simonrvn | esp. if it went to remove something you wanted and customised... |
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| 16:59.07 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: ouch, ok |
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| 16:59.14 | silvertip257 | themill: on cleaning up it fails and says this: [!!] configuring cupsys-bsd | an installation step failed. you can try to run ... - failing step is: select and install software |
| 17:00.00 | silvertip257 | snowbird: doubtful it's a bad disk - I've learned my lesson w/ disks from the past distros I've tried |
| 17:00.21 | snowbird | silvertip257 have u done check sums? |
| 17:00.27 | themill | silvertip257: ok... that sounds a bit odd. Definitely don't select anything at the tasksel and it will get through that. We'll try to address cups failing in a later step. |
| 17:00.39 | silvertip257 | snowbird: before I burnt it I ran checksums |
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| 17:00.50 | snowbird | wise i bet it passed |
| 17:00.54 | silvertip257 | yes |
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| 17:01.25 | snowbird | i am surprised how many times u fail check sums |
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| 17:01.42 | silvertip257 | really? I don't know that I've had that many fail checksums |
| 17:02.02 | silvertip257 | themill / snowbird: I skipped tasksel |
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| 17:02.09 | themill | excellent |
| 17:02.21 | silvertip257 | themill: but grub failed to install |
| 17:02.26 | silvertip257 | weird.. |
| 17:02.31 | themill | error message? |
| 17:02.52 | snowbird | is it dual boot? |
| 17:03.18 | silvertip257 | [!!] Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk || the grub pkg failed to install into /target/. ... |
| 17:03.38 | silvertip257 | snowbird: it is, but I've also had other distros on this one |
| 17:03.38 | themill | silvertip257: is the partition you are trying to install into big enough? |
| 17:04.05 | silvertip257 | how big does it need to be for just the netinst? -- I thought I had it covered b/c of my minimal install |
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| 17:04.16 | themill | try pressing Alt+F2, iirc the installer logs more detailed errors there |
| 17:04.21 | silvertip257 | ok |
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| 17:04.37 | davis | what is the admin login name for bugzilla? |
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| 17:05.08 | silvertip257 | themill: now what cmd do I use? |
| 17:05.09 | antgel | davis: didn't you configure it when you installed the package? |
| 17:05.30 | davis | yes, many months ago. i can't remember it. |
| 17:05.41 | davis | i'm looking in /etc/bugzilla, but I don't see where it is set. |
| 17:05.45 | antgel | davis: it's the email address you gave |
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| 17:06.04 | davis | hmm. where does it store it? |
| 17:06.23 | antgel | davis: possibly in its database |
| 17:06.29 | davis | hmm. |
| 17:07.27 | silvertip257 | themill: ? |
| 17:07.45 | antgel | !tell silvertip257 about patience |
| 17:07.52 | silvertip257 | OK |
| 17:08.11 | silvertip257 | dont send me that |
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| 17:08.59 | themill | silvertip257: um... I thought there should be piles of error messages just there... try AltF3 perhaps |
| 17:09.06 | silvertip257 | ah |
| 17:09.20 | silvertip257 | it only gives me a console |
| 17:09.53 | themill | silvertip257: everything should also be logged in /target/var/log/installer/ or /var/log/installer/ |
| 17:09.58 | silvertip257 | it's Alt F4 |
| 17:11.27 | themill | ah... cheers. |
| 17:11.44 | silvertip257 | themill: dpkg: error processing /cdrom//pool/main/g/grub/grub_0.97-27_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 17:12.07 | themill | OK.. that's either saying disk is full or cd is stuffed. |
| 17:12.08 | silvertip257 | themill: Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 17:12.13 | silvertip257 | oh? |
| 17:12.22 | themill | that's my best guess. |
| 17:12.31 | themill | what size partitions are you trying to install to? |
| 17:12.42 | silvertip257 | themill: how much should I allow it? -- 2 GB for minimal |
| 17:12.56 | silvertip257 | only until I free up my storage partition |
| 17:13.10 | silvertip257 | and nuke Windoze |
| 17:13.38 | themill | are you installing everything into one partition or are you letting the installer create multiple partitions |
| 17:13.52 | silvertip257 | one partition |
| 17:14.05 | silvertip257 | and an available swap |
| 17:14.12 | silvertip257 | and my fat32 storage |
| 17:14.21 | silvertip257 | just adding mount points for the last 2 |
| 17:14.53 | themill | that sounds fine. the netinstall should fit into just a few hunderd MB. |
| 17:14.54 | jetscreamer | 6 is a lot more comfy |
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| 17:15.21 | silvertip257 | tis what I thought themill ... it's only 150MB iso for netinst |
| 17:15.32 | themill | but if you want gnome, kde, apache, php, openoffice blah blah then you are starting to talk GB. |
| 17:15.46 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 17:15.46 | themill | in the console, can you give the command df |
| 17:15.58 | silvertip257 | I dont want gnome or kde or OO.org |
| 17:16.09 | silvertip257 | I only want a few pkgs that I'll select and fluxbox |
| 17:16.42 | jetscreamer | df -h |
| 17:16.51 | silvertip257 | all that I want should easily fit into less than a gig |
| 17:17.07 | jetscreamer | take all the marks off in tasksel |
| 17:17.20 | silvertip257 | iarap: just like me - do you have it installed yt? |
| 17:17.30 | silvertip257 | I did jetscreamer |
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| 17:17.46 | jetscreamer | yay |
| 17:17.54 | hcy | liable: are you still online? |
| 17:18.00 | silvertip257 | mmhmm, but then grub failed jetscreamer |
| 17:18.06 | iarap | yea silvertip257 ...its working fine...but can access the internet... even when i the ip is available |
| 17:18.15 | jetscreamer | make a grub floppy |
| 17:18.16 | silvertip257 | oh |
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| 17:18.25 | silvertip257 | jetscreamer- I want grub on the hdd |
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| 17:18.33 | jetscreamer | ok but make one anyway |
| 17:18.49 | silvertip257 | k lemme go get one I already have |
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| 17:19.20 | silvertip257 | too bad this laptop doesn't have the floppy w/ it ... maybe it's in the bag ... |
| 17:19.20 | themill | jetscreamer: earlier with a netinstall, cups failed to install too. It's an --unpack failure on the .deb |
| 17:19.24 | jetscreamer | if you already have one... |
| 17:19.26 | hcy | i did "make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=fixfw kernel_image" and after compiling for quite a few hours, got the same error i did last time: "The UTS Release version in include/linux/utsrelease.h "" does not match current version: "2.6.22fixfw" Please correct this." |
| 17:20.05 | jetscreamer | hcy iirc you're only supposed to use numbers and .'s |
| 17:20.20 | hcy | jetscreamer: the manpage says alphanumerics |
| 17:20.34 | hcy | should i delete include/linux/utsrelease.h ? |
| 17:20.35 | simonrvn | with a certain format... |
| 17:20.36 | jetscreamer | man kernel-pkg.conf .. or was it kernel-img.conf |
| 17:20.40 | jetscreamer | there's both |
| 17:20.43 | frojnd | hello there. If I wanna install some program. First I make it executable. And than? |
| 17:20.53 | simonrvn | 'then' |
| 17:20.58 | iarap | jetscreamer : can you help me too.. i cant access internet in my new installation. |
| 17:21.00 | frojnd | than |
| 17:21.04 | simonrvn | 'then' |
| 17:21.05 | frojnd | simonrvn: than |
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| 17:21.17 | jetscreamer | and then |
| 17:21.19 | simonrvn | look up than in a dictionary |
| 17:21.29 | hcy | so i should change the append thingy to something with just numbers and try again? |
| 17:21.50 | jetscreamer | iarap: did it work once and stop when you rebooted a time or two? |
| 17:21.53 | antgel | !dict than |
| 17:21.55 | dpkg | Dictionary 'than' (1 of 5): It's wiser being good than bad; It's safer being meek than fierce; It's fitter being sane than mad. --R. Browning.. |
| 17:21.56 | jetscreamer | hcy: |
| 17:22.01 | jetscreamer | man something |
| 17:22.08 | frojnd | hello there. If I wanna install some program. First I make it executable. And then? |
| 17:22.17 | jetscreamer | and then what do i do |
| 17:22.22 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 17:22.25 | themill | hcy: if you make anything before you do make-kpkg you can get that error. |
| 17:22.28 | userek | where debian stores data about installed packages? |
| 17:22.29 | iarap | no..not even once...... i got all ip,netmask,gateway correct |
| 17:22.42 | abrotman | /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 17:22.47 | antgel | frojnd: every application is different |
| 17:22.47 | jetscreamer | iarap: not my forte |
| 17:22.48 | antgel | !wayttd frojnd |
| 17:22.49 | userek | okay thanks |
| 17:22.49 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, frojnd? |
| 17:22.54 | hcy | themill: how do you fix it? |
| 17:23.07 | frojnd | dpkg: I wanna install Seatool |
| 17:23.08 | iarap | hmm...anywhere that i can get help for that.. |
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| 17:23.24 | frojnd | and this "new" file that I got from tar has no extension.. |
| 17:23.39 | themill | !tell hcy about kernel compile |
| 17:23.43 | simonrvn | frojnd: that will run in wine, not linux per se |
| 17:23.45 | hcy | themill: i did make menuconfig, then started make-kpkg, but then interrupted it because i forgot something, then did make menuconfig again and make-kpkg again and this happened |
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| 17:24.20 | silvertip257 | themill: i dont know what i should do |
| 17:24.25 | hcy | themill: no usefull info from dpkg |
| 17:24.38 | frojnd | simonrvn: http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?locale=en-US&name=SeaTools&vgnextoid=720bd20cacdec010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD u s3ee at the botton |
| 17:24.42 | antgel | frojnd: if seatool doesn't come with docs, ask seagate |
| 17:24.44 | frojnd | linux version |
| 17:24.44 | themill | hcy: yes, the menuconfig first is problematic if you use one of either --revision or --append-to-version. |
| 17:24.58 | simonrvn | frojnd: that's recent then |
| 17:25.00 | frojnd | I can't find anythin in help |
| 17:25.04 | hcy | themill: so what should i do now? |
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| 17:25.14 | themill | hcy: in that factoid from dpkg, it says "when it bitches"... that should help ;) |
| 17:25.25 | antgel | i've used menuconfig with --append-to-version many times |
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| 17:27.15 | themill | antgel: at some stage in menuconfig, the .h config files get the version number put in them and make-kpkg tells the compile to use a different version and then everything is pants. I've hit the same problem before. |
| 17:27.21 | hcy | themill: ok, and the config from my menuconfig will still be intact? i just need to run make-kpkg after i rm stamp* and debian ? |
| 17:28.11 | antgel | themill: i consider that a bug. it has always worked for me. *shrug* |
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| 17:29.12 | themill | antgel: hmmm.... most odd. Restarting the compile can be problematic too... |
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| 17:30.26 | themill | hcy: Sometimes the easiest thing to do is copy out the .config file, remove the entire linux-2.blah tree, untar it again, copy in your .config then just run make-kpkg. It will run make oldconfig for you automatically and then go on its way. |
| 17:31.03 | themill | hcy: I know there are more elegant ways of doing it, but I find make-kpkg to be a very complicated beast and that's the path of least resistance ;) |
| 17:31.09 | frojnd | what is my SCSI device name og hard drive ? |
| 17:31.14 | frojnd | of* |
| 17:31.19 | abrotman | sda likely |
| 17:31.34 | ProN00b | does anyone know where i could find a 64bit debian etch freeshell or a qemu image of it ? |
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| 17:31.45 | hcy | themill: ok |
| 17:31.49 | hcy | themill: thanks |
| 17:32.46 | themill | hcy: np.. hope that works ;) |
| 17:33.15 | hcy | themill: me too :) |
| 17:33.20 | silvertip257 | I am using the Debian Etch (4.0) net install CD img to install it on a laptop. I can configure everything w/o an error until I get to specifying the mirror I want to retrieve select pkgs from. It fails after downloading all the 669 files or w/e number. |
| 17:33.45 | iarap | can anyone help me...cannot access internet in debian etch. |
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| 17:34.09 | vlt | PDani_: How do you connect to the internet? |
| 17:34.23 | themill | silvertip257: were there no other error message associated with that --unpack failure? |
| 17:34.42 | simonrvn | iarap: what's your ISP do for internet provision? cable, dsl, dialup, isdn, ... ? |
| 17:35.07 | iarap | its in LAN |
| 17:35.07 | silvertip257 | themill: I'm happy you asked and I pressed Alt+F4 ... |
| 17:35.07 | danf_1979 | Hi, I just had a power outage. Now boot just freeze at line |
| 17:35.08 | danf_1979 | kernel: ppdev: user-space parallel port driver |
| 17:35.36 | danf_1979 | I made a "locate ppdev", and it seems to be a kernel 'something'... |
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| 17:35.51 | silvertip257 | themill: /cdrom//pool/main/g/grub/grub_0.97-27_i386.deb |
| 17:35.51 | danf_1979 | Maybe it got corrupted? |
| 17:35.52 | themill | silvertip257: yes... did it give any clues? did df show anything ugly like a full disk? |
| 17:36.02 | vlt | <strike>PDani_:</strike> iarap: How do you connect to the internet? |
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| 17:36.27 | vlt | iarap: <strike>PDani_:</strike> How do you connect to the internet? |
| 17:36.28 | themill | vlt: please tell your irc client not to try sending markup, colours, etc to this channel |
| 17:36.35 | silvertip257 | lemme see |
| 17:36.40 | iarap | it shows everything correct.. ip,gateway,netmask...but when i try to ping to gateway it says no conection |
| 17:36.44 | abrotman | iarap: is it set for DHCP ? |
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| 17:36.52 | iarap | yea...its using DHCP. |
| 17:37.01 | vlt | themill: Ok, sorry. |
| 17:37.06 | simonrvn | iarap: you missing a route to your gateway, likely |
| 17:37.13 | snowbird | whats does eth0 dropped in out mean? |
| 17:37.23 | themill | vlt: no problems, that looks better. ;) |
| 17:37.29 | silvertip257 | themill: no the disk is not full |
| 17:37.36 | silvertip257 | or near it for that matter |
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| 17:37.46 | iarap | hmmm...yea... it tried traceroute..but it fails simonrvn |
| 17:37.50 | simonrvn | snowbird: in ifconfig? number of dropped packets in/out, for that interface |
| 17:38.06 | simonrvn | iarap: put your route -n output in a pastebin somewhere |
| 17:38.07 | rob19 | why does mysql-server5.0 need to install exim4 |
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| 17:38.25 | abrotman | rob19: to notify you when it breaks |
| 17:38.29 | iarap | what can be a possible solution to that... |
| 17:38.34 | abrotman | rob19: it really only needs an outgoing smtp server |
| 17:38.49 | snowbird | simonrvn: as start up |
| 17:38.59 | simonrvn | snowbird: eh? |
| 17:39.07 | iarap | hmm.. i have to logout from here and reboot...any other instructions that i can work out... |
| 17:39.07 | snowbird | as pc starts |
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| 17:39.38 | snowbird | google says someting to dhcp server no started? |
| 17:39.59 | simonrvn | snowbird: oh that |
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| 17:40.07 | themill | rob19: it recommends mailx for some reason, and mailx depends on exim4 | mail-transport-agent. |
| 17:40.15 | snowbird | simonrvn: whats the cure |
| 17:40.15 | themill | rob19: it recommends mailx for some reason, and mailx depends on exim4 | mail-transport-agent. |
| 17:40.28 | rob19 | abrotman: I usually use ssmtp on my other machines for outgoing mail, as I have a seperate server for that.. can I just turn off exim and install ssmtp? |
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| 17:40.30 | simonrvn | snowbird: well you're on dialup, it's not really needed |
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| 17:40.38 | snowbird | iam on dsl |
| 17:40.45 | themill | rob19: oops... so try aptitude -R |
| 17:40.49 | iarap | simonrvn,:any instructions before i logout and reboot? |
| 17:41.03 | simonrvn | snowbird: ah ok. you're probably using pppoe, which doesn't need dhcp |
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| 17:41.10 | abrotman | rob19: specify ssmtp on the line with mysql-server-e5.0- |
| 17:41.14 | abrotman | stupid fingers |
| 17:41.16 | apt_get | Hi |
| 17:41.23 | simonrvn | .:13:38:06:. < simonrvn> iarap: put your route -n output in a pastebin somewhere |
| 17:41.28 | snowbird | but router needs dhcp |
| 17:41.39 | apt_get | How can i Know in what PCI_SLOT are my 2 net interfaces? |
| 17:41.46 | iarap | ok.. BRB |
| 17:41.58 | bill_ | apt_get lspci -lc |
| 17:42.00 | bill_ | lv |
| 17:42.23 | bill_ | er, -v |
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| 17:42.40 | apt_get | its the firs collumn? |
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| 17:42.51 | apt_get | 02:04.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) |
| 17:42.57 | apt_get | 02:04.0 |
| 17:42.59 | simonrvn | snowbird: your box connecting to the router you mean? well that would be the easy way to connect to the router, but there's other ways. if you get something like "lease renewed in XXXXX seconds" at the end of that you don't have to worry about it |
| 17:43.04 | themill | silvertip257: hmm... try looking in the dpkg logs to see if there is anything more useful. /var/log/dpkg.log (perhaps on /target) |
| 17:43.14 | silvertip257 | ok |
| 17:43.41 | simonrvn | FFS, he leaves instead of outputting route -n ? *sigh* |
| 17:43.45 | snowbird | simonrvn: i get that error and then pc goes to cmd i have to hit startx |
| 17:44.06 | snowbird | sometings goofy either its a warning or someting |
| 17:44.14 | silvertip257 | yes on target themill ;)\ |
| 17:44.17 | simonrvn | snowbird: ok, i need more info here, i'm missing bits |
| 17:44.34 | snowbird | simonrvn: |
| 17:44.39 | snowbird | what u need |
| 17:44.42 | simonrvn | incomplete description of events |
| 17:44.46 | Cycne | I'll soon find out |
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| 17:45.00 | snowbird | il ree boot and get em hold on |
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| 17:49.58 | snowbird | simonrvn: |
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| 17:52.01 | snowbird | simonrvn: |
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| 17:52.37 | themill | silvertip257: so do those logs contain any more useful details? |
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| 17:53.03 | zombie_monkey | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/vista/ -> is this any good? |
| 17:53.11 | silvertip257 | themill: guess I'm better off w/ another distro ... this is a p.i.t.a. ... nothing useful - I even opened up the port it seemed to be lookin at on my router |
| 17:53.27 | lindenl1 | anyone know of something for linux that is like this papers utility for macintosh |
| 17:54.12 | themill | silvertip257: dpkg is trying to open a port on your router while installing grub?? |
| 17:54.21 | silvertip257 | zombie_monkey: neat, but I'm not gettin vista |
| 17:54.40 | silvertip257 | themill: no - I opened it up b/c it looked like it wanted port 67 ... |
| 17:54.48 | silvertip257 | but it changes nothing |
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| 17:56.10 | themill | silvertip257: I'm wondering if you've got fubar media there. There is no way that the package should just fail like that. |
| 17:56.21 | silvertip257 | ugh |
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| 17:56.35 | zombie_monkey | I guess I'll follow the instructions here: http://preview.tinyurl.com/2uonab |
| 17:56.41 | silvertip257 | I give up - I shoulda stuck w/ dsl maybe ... this is getting to be majorly gay |
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| 17:57.49 | silvertip257 | I shouldn't have to burn tons of cds for this ... |
| 17:57.52 | zombie_monkey | can I install GRUB in the boot record of the debian partition adn not the mbr? |
| 17:57.55 | apt_get | bill |
| 17:58.02 | jetscreamer | yes zombie_monkey |
| 17:58.10 | apt_get | lspci -v return: 02:04.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek ...... |
| 17:58.11 | jetscreamer | but you need something to boot it |
| 17:58.16 | silvertip257 | I do have an old 3.1 on a mini CD-R; the mill ... I'll try that & if it works it's my media maybe |
| 17:58.22 | apt_get | the slot is what? |
| 17:58.32 | jetscreamer | as in what you have in mbr would need to be able to boot it.. |
| 17:58.34 | bill_ | bus 2 slot 4? |
| 17:58.39 | snowbird | crap |
| 17:58.54 | silvertip257 | yum |
| 17:59.04 | zombie_monkey | jetscreamer: is it easy to do with the debian install cd? |
| 17:59.08 | apt_get | but the system have 2 PCI slot |
| 17:59.14 | apt_get | others are internal? like for video... |
| 17:59.26 | themill | silvertip257: ok. the debian-installer usually works for a lot of people on all sorts of strange hardware. A simple error like that just doesn't happen as a rule... |
| 17:59.37 | silvertip257 | k |
| 17:59.41 | jetscreamer | zombie_monkey: why don't you want to install grub to the mbr |
| 17:59.55 | jetscreamer | what is your alternative |
| 17:59.57 | zombie_monkey | because vista is a bitch |
| 18:00.07 | silvertip257 | lol |
| 18:00.10 | jetscreamer | make a grub floppy or usb stick or cd |
| 18:00.11 | zombie_monkey | the alternative: http://preview.tinyurl.com/2uonab |
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| 18:00.40 | jetscreamer | if you want to install to partition |
| 18:00.48 | zombie_monkey | to use vista's boot manager |
| 18:00.54 | jetscreamer | or you could try to convince vista to boot it.... |
| 18:00.59 | jetscreamer | ah well go ahead |
| 18:01.01 | themill | !tell zombie_monkey about dual boot guide |
| 18:01.11 | apt_get | bill: I need to know: In what slot are REALTEK and what slot are VIA |
| 18:01.12 | apt_get | 02:07.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor |
| 18:01.12 | apt_get | 02:08.0 Ethernet controller: Via |
| 18:01.29 | apt_get | The system has only 2 PCI SLOTS |
| 18:01.30 | jetscreamer | lspci -vvv|grep Realtek |
| 18:01.35 | jetscreamer | err |
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| 18:01.40 | jetscreamer | 2.07&2.08 |
| 18:01.52 | nweaver916 | anyone here and exim4 guru? I'm having some strange stuff happen. |
| 18:01.54 | manic96 | I am having an issue with my X server (ver 7.1.1) on Debian (ver 2.6.18-4-486) with an ATI rage 128. The machine hangs (hard boot required) with no errors in the logs when I try to start X. I have run the autocofig several times and taken out anything beyond the basics in the config file. I have searched for the problem but only found vague references to anything like this. I noticed that X 7.2 has been released but my dselect is not p |
| 18:02.06 | themill | !tell nweaver916 about anyone |
| 18:02.10 | asg | nweaver916: have you asked the folks in #exim? |
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| 18:03.08 | silvertip257 | themill: The CD-ROM integrity test was successful. The CD-ROM is valid. <Continue> |
| 18:03.35 | nweaver916 | I have set up a mail server for domain2.com, and DNS zones that have mail.domain2.com with A record and an mx record. when I telnet to mail.domain2.com on port 25, it somehow/someway shows a header for my other domains server (220 mailhub.domain1.com) which is strange to me, where would it be getting that 220 message? |
| 18:03.41 | jetscreamer | how many ide controllers, silvertip257 ? |
| 18:04.01 | jetscreamer | oops wrong guy |
| 18:04.07 | silvertip257 | jetscreamer: ? lol |
| 18:04.50 | themill | silvertip257: well that's truly bizarre then. Failing at the unpack stage on two different packages under different installs. If you feel like experimenting, have another go and select somehting different in tasksel to see where it crashes this time. |
| 18:05.07 | silvertip257 | blah |
| 18:05.21 | rob19 | what do the things in the left column mean when doing dpkg -l .. like 'ii', 'rc' |
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| 18:05.54 | asg | rob19: dpkg -l | head -n3 |
| 18:05.59 | Eulex | rob19, it tells you, look at the header |
| 18:06.43 | silvertip257 | WTF FFS .... themill ... I just ran the integrity thing and it made me step back thru some shizz and now it's installing GRUB to (hd0) like it should be ... UGH UGH UGH |
| 18:06.53 | silvertip257 | maybe it will work this time ... |
| 18:06.55 | manic96 | nweaver: that is set up as part of the exim.conf file. THere is a setting called primary_hostname that if it is not set then exim wil use the uname of the machine |
| 18:06.56 | rob19 | doesnt say |
| 18:07.01 | silvertip257 | time to boot : the mill |
| 18:07.11 | silvertip257 | ^^ themill |
| 18:07.31 | manic96 | nweaver: read the comments in the exim.conf file, it has information on it there |
| 18:07.32 | asg | rob19: yes it does, look at the 'C'apital letter that starts each word. |
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| 18:07.38 | themill | silvertip257: you got a dodgy cd rom drive or cable there? |
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| 18:07.55 | silvertip257 | bah idk ... it's not a cable b/c it's a laptop --- maybe drive .. |
| 18:08.24 | nweaver916 | where does exim4 get the info for it's "220 servername.domainname" message when you connect to it? |
| 18:08.29 | silvertip257 | we will see ... now how do I get all my stuff <themill> ;) |
| 18:08.43 | manic96 | nweaver: I just told you |
| 18:08.51 | themill | silvertip257: log in as root and then run tasksel |
| 18:08.55 | silvertip257 | ok |
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| 18:09.09 | smhar | Hello friends |
| 18:09.14 | themill | silvertip257: you might want to add some network mirrors to your sources.list and comment out your cd source |
| 18:09.20 | nweaver916 | manic96: sorry, I missed that while typing in the #exim channel I guess |
| 18:09.39 | silvertip257 | themill ... I think I'm gonna have to re-run it ... cant login w/ root ... err |
| 18:09.58 | themill | ? |
| 18:10.17 | silvertip257 | I know what I set it to, but it says it's incorrect .. |
| 18:10.34 | snowbird | caps on? |
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| 18:10.45 | silvertip257 | nvm I got it ... blah |
| 18:10.49 | silvertip257 | I'm a mess |
| 18:11.00 | themill | silvertip257: take a break, mate |
| 18:11.04 | smhar | I am trying to install debian etch into an old system currently running an old slackware system. it is connected to a small home network but doesnot have a CD drive. I am considering booting the install system from the boot loader but the system boots from a floppy and not the harddisk.. could someone give me some tips |
| 18:11.29 | jetscreamer | there are install floppies |
| 18:11.33 | jetscreamer | !b-f |
| 18:11.33 | dpkg | i guess etch floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want lenny/testing change "etch" to "lenny". |
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| 18:11.54 | snowbird | themill i wounder if this oldrouter did someting error |
| 18:12.11 | nweaver916 | hmm...I'm not finding that "mailhub" word anywhere, yet it is clearly pulling that into my 220 message, that is strange. It's also hard to figure out, because Debian makes the config stuff a bit hard |
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| 18:12.56 | manic96 | nweaver: if you do a uname on your system what does it give you? |
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| 18:13.10 | The_Alexander | hello guys. where can I get LASTEST stable .debs with Nvidia drivers? |
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| 18:13.20 | The_Alexander | these in official repository are a bit too old for me |
| 18:13.22 | nweaver916 | Manic96: uname gives me "Linux" |
| 18:13.27 | The_Alexander | uname -a |
| 18:13.37 | nweaver916 | mail (which is my host name) |
| 18:13.38 | snowbird | silvertip257: hows it now mate |
| 18:13.55 | silvertip257 | we'll see once I get some stuff |
| 18:13.59 | silvertip257 | ttyl in a while |
| 18:14.03 | snowbird | ok |
| 18:14.15 | silvertip257 | ;( |
| 18:14.33 | smhar | I jetscreamer, oh the install floppies use kernel 2.4 with no support for reiserfs, which is the fs of the harddisk |
| 18:14.35 | The_Alexander | I think Nvidia had some kind of official repo some time ago |
| 18:14.41 | The_Alexander | do you know something about it? |
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| 18:14.54 | manic96 | nweaver: I'm out of usefulness withou going and doing a lot of reading myself then. I personally would use primary_hostname and set the name to what you want it to be |
| 18:16.17 | nweaver916 | I'm trying to follow the debconf stuff, but it's making things rough, I may just disable it and go back to monolithic hand altered config :( |
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| 18:16.35 | haxality | hi, I'm having an odd problem getting fglrx to work |
| 18:16.53 | smhar | I don't know much about lilo, the boatloader on the pc, but I edited /etc/lilo.conf and added the new kernel and initrd to it, but it does'nt work |
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| 18:17.20 | LV-426 | when using distcc to output a 64bit ELF assisted by a 32 bit machine, does the 32 bit box require a cross compiler ? |
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| 18:17.29 | snowbird | ok lilio was floppy boot to me then grub was on hd |
| 18:17.29 | themill | smhar: you need to run lilo after editing lilo.conf |
| 18:17.42 | snowbird | no use to lilo |
| 18:17.58 | snowbird | themill |
| 18:19.19 | xdr_ | if you stop something with ctrl + z how do you make it run again? |
| 18:19.24 | themill | fg |
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| 18:19.42 | snowbird | whats that themill? |
| 18:19.56 | haxality | hi, I'm having an odd problem getting fglrx to work |
| 18:20.01 | themill | snowbird: that was for xdr_ |
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| 18:20.09 | haxality | oops didn't mean to repeat |
| 18:20.12 | smhar | themill, did that, but when booting, no menu is showing.. /etc/lilo.conf is in hd but the system boot from a slackware boot floppy. when trying to mount and read it, it shows several &*^&^%*( named files with 0 size |
| 18:20.22 | snowbird | oh i thought u said soeting abought me |
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| 18:20.32 | haxality | I used the instructions from dpkg to install fglrx and when I use fglrxinfo it still shows up as 'mesa indirect' |
| 18:20.48 | haxality | fglrx is loaded and is in /etc/modules and still nothing |
| 18:20.50 | snowbird | that flipping guy u changed to some curse |
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| 18:21.50 | xdr_ | themill: fg processid? |
| 18:22.33 | themill | xdr_: just fg if it is the most recent process you hit ^Z on. otherwise run jobs and then it's fg and the job number (1 2 3 4... ) not the process id. |
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| 18:24.08 | xdr | thx themill |
| 18:24.13 | themill | np |
| 18:24.19 | snowbird | ahh error leading me back to router |
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| 18:26.32 | simonrvn | crap, wtf is making the apache procs leak... |
| 18:27.04 | benbangert | I don't suppose anyone else running unstable has noticed the latest Python 2.5.1 package apparently doesn't build the core (and extremely important) bsddb module properly? |
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| 18:27.28 | snowbird | simonrvn: ill see if new router cures my error |
| 18:27.46 | simonrvn | um, i think you're going about it the wrong way |
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| 18:27.59 | snowbird | what simonrvn |
| 18:28.43 | snowbird | router is wounded is going out of service soon cable under door maybe wonded |
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| 18:29.06 | smhar | OMG, I changed the lilo.conf and now I ony get L 01 01 01 01 for 10 screen lines !! |
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| 18:29.55 | snowbird | wahst lurk mode |
| 18:30.34 | iarap | simonrvn: i checked route -n and nutting came... just the prompt |
| 18:31.02 | simonrvn | iarap: then you don't have anything set up (obviously) and hence not being able to connect |
| 18:31.09 | iarap | hmmm |
| 18:31.12 | nweaver916 | argh...exim is driving me mad! |
| 18:31.20 | simonrvn | is you networking set up on that box? |
| 18:31.24 | simonrvn | your* |
| 18:31.30 | snowbird | me yeah |
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| 18:32.04 | iarap | check this one http://host22-gskm.co.nr/ifdown_ifup.lst |
| 18:32.10 | De_Mon | How do generate a Unicode message from bash to sendmail(postfix) I've got to send some smancy unicode characters in the email... |
| 18:32.18 | iarap | how to set up networking then |
| 18:32.35 | iarap | simonrvn: how to set up networking then |
| 18:33.02 | simonrvn | output your /etc/network/interfaces to there please |
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| 18:33.14 | De_Mon | right now I'm just doing an "echo To: This\nFrom: That\n\nETC" |
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| 18:33.21 | De_Mon | piped to sendmail |
| 18:33.30 | dfldf | anyone here using relakks.com service? |
| 18:33.32 | iarap | simonrvn: wait a sec |
| 18:33.39 | simonrvn | tyt |
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| 18:35.58 | manic96 | does anyone know of a debian repository that is carrying the xorg 7.2 installs? I'm having difficulty locating one? |
| 18:36.33 | iarap | simonrvn: /etc/network/interface --> http://host22-gskm.co.nr/interface.lst |
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| 18:37.45 | simonrvn | looks like the default, a bit. dunno wth that allow-hotplug stuff is for, but try commenting that and do /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 18:37.56 | simonrvn | after you've commented it and saved the file |
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| 18:38.30 | themill | manic96: sid and lenny |
| 18:38.46 | iarap | simonrvn: ok... l try that out...brb |
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| 18:39.46 | snowbird | hot plug is i think u plug lan in and it auto finds net |
| 18:39.47 | mmlj4 | what's the correct way to change my hostname and domain? |
| 18:39.48 | De_Mon | how would I send a unicode email from an ascii based bash script? |
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| 18:40.27 | dbe | How to make a proper DHCP_RELEASE to the DHCP server, to free up the IP? |
| 18:40.41 | et | invoke, for example, a python script ;) |
| 18:41.26 | snowbird | ipconfig /release |
| 18:41.29 | snowbird | as shell |
| 18:41.33 | manic96 | why do I feel waaaaaay behind the times right now. :-) and I just upgraded. |
| 18:41.43 | asg | snowbird: this isn't #windows |
| 18:41.48 | De_Mon | snowbird isn't that a windows question? |
| 18:41.53 | De_Mon | err answer |
| 18:41.54 | snowbird | no |
| 18:42.04 | dbe | shogunx: That's how I use to do it in Windows. |
| 18:42.17 | De_Mon | I dont have 'ipconfig' in debian |
| 18:42.24 | snowbird | ifconfig |
| 18:42.28 | snowbird | try that |
| 18:42.33 | De_Mon | much less '/' arguments |
| 18:42.34 | asg | snowbird: ifconfig doesn't support /release either |
| 18:42.34 | mmlj4 | it's windows, not linux, end of story |
| 18:42.39 | dbe | snowbird: That does not help a DHCP server. |
| 18:42.43 | asg | snowbird: stop spewing useless crap. |
| 18:42.45 | snowbird | ok |
| 18:42.45 | dbe | man dhclient |
| 18:42.47 | De_Mon | you fail |
| 18:43.19 | dbe | asg: Any idea? dhclient -r eth2 # didn't work for me. |
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| 18:45.10 | manic96 | man etch |
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| 18:45.41 | haxality | would anyone know why the fglrx module would be loading but not working properly? |
| 18:45.59 | asg | dbe: did it give you an error? Did the dhclient process exit? |
| 18:46.05 | haxality | when I type 'modprobe fglrx' it loads without complaint but when I start the x server it uses the ati driver instead of fglrx |
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| 18:47.04 | dbe | asg: No error: http://rafb.net/p/eQi7AH87.html |
| 18:47.08 | asg | haxality: did you tell the X server to use it? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org |
| 18:47.13 | dbe | asg: And no release... |
| 18:47.16 | haxality | I did, asg |
| 18:47.21 | haxality | it's in my xorg.conf |
| 18:47.44 | haxality | Driver "fglrx" |
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| 18:48.13 | asg | dbe: how long did you wait? |
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| 18:48.45 | dbe | asg: It took 0.5s for dhclient to compute it. |
| 18:48.56 | asg | haxality: does /var/log/Xorg.0.log show that it is infact loading the right module? |
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| 18:49.37 | manic96 | here isj ust how fired my brain has gotten working on this problem: how can I tell which version of debian I have. I can find the kernal version no problem and most other things...just not if I am running sarge or etch....but I'm pretty sure I upgraded. Please don't mock me too much |
| 18:49.48 | abrotman | !version |
| 18:49.48 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 18:49.50 | asg | dbe: the command will not exit until the lease has been released by the server. The server may not have responded. |
| 18:50.10 | haxality | asg, anything specific to look for? |
| 18:50.15 | haxality | that's a hueg log file |
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| 18:50.54 | asg | haxality: /fglrx (I would presume) |
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| 18:51.43 | haxality | asg, it seems to have loaded successfully |
| 18:51.45 | dbe | asg: dhclient -r <NIC> # is to renew or release the IP? |
| 18:51.54 | haxality | I can show you my dmesg | grep fglrx output, there's some odd errors in it |
| 18:51.58 | asg | dbe: release |
| 18:52.27 | dbe | asg: The DHCP server does not respont then I guess. |
| 18:52.42 | asg | dbe: explicit releases are not required by the protocol so the client doesn't by default. To renew, just run dhclient eth2 again. That doesn't guarantee that the server won't give you the same address each time. |
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| 18:53.19 | haxality | [fglrx] Internal AGP is not supported in 2.6 kernel. |
| 18:53.19 | haxality | [fglrx:firegl_unlock] *ERROR* Process 5600 using kernel context 0 |
| 18:53.32 | asg | dbe: you could run tcpdump on the interface and see if any traffic does come back. |
| 18:53.40 | dbe | asg: I need to release the MAC address from the DHCP server for my current NIC so I can use another. |
| 18:53.41 | haxality | this is on a brand new vanilla debian install, by the way |
| 18:53.55 | blommer | i accidently deleted my mail.log - shouldn't it be enought to touch mail.log and chmod 777 to it? |
| 18:54.11 | simonrvn | it isn't 777 |
| 18:54.12 | abrotman | did you restart your smtp server ? |
| 18:54.17 | blommer | cause i did that, but log keeps beeing empty even so i send and recieve mails |
| 18:54.23 | blommer | abrotman no i need to do that? |
| 18:54.25 | dbe | asg: My ISP requires the IP to be released before they accept new NIC. |
| 18:54.28 | abrotman | simonrvn: no .. but in a case of the stupids .. you can make it 777 :) |
| 18:54.37 | haxality | anyone? |
| 18:54.40 | simonrvn | !lart abrotman |
| 18:54.45 | abrotman | heh |
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| 18:55.10 | simonrvn | teaching bad habits... bad abrotman |
| 18:55.13 | asg | dbe: I understand. I'd go ahead and run tcpdump on eth2 and then run dhclient -r eth2 to see if the server responds. It's possible that your ISP's server is boneheaded also. |
| 18:55.32 | asg | !feed abrotman |
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| 18:55.56 | dbe | asg: My ISP is horrible then. |
| 18:56.03 | snowbird | i fed stew to my rotweller |
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| 18:56.20 | asg | dbe: it's possible but I'd still do the trace to be sure. |
| 18:56.33 | dbe | asg: tcpdump responds after: dhclient -r eth2 |
| 18:56.56 | iarap | simonrvn: i tried commenting that hotplug. restarted the network but same problem |
| 18:56.59 | asg | dbe: that'll be the packet going out ... I'd wait (a few minutes at least) to see if anything comes back. |
| 18:57.12 | DustyDingo | hm, can someone poste me a sources.list for using unstable? |
| 18:57.25 | asg | DustyDingo: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 18:57.27 | iarap | i do ifup eth0 and ifdown eth0.. still same results as before |
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| 18:58.06 | ProN00b | how much % of the whole install is done when it says installing the base system ? |
| 18:58.07 | blommer | well i restarted postfix but still no logs |
| 18:58.53 | xen_masta | Hey all - I'm trying to open a port on a debian box, but I'm not sure how to go about doing it. I want my bacula-fd client to be able to rec. requests from the mothership, but when I nmap the system, the ports are closed. |
| 18:59.00 | dbe | asg: I tried: tcpdump # without any options. |
| 18:59.03 | manic96 | ProN00b: I don't know the exact answer but not much because it doesn't overwrite anything on the ardrive at that point |
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| 18:59.09 | asg | dbe: you need tcpdump -i eth2 |
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| 18:59.23 | Danielss89 | hi, im trying to install memcached and gets this error: shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory |
| 18:59.25 | nweaver916 | how can you cat every file in every subdirectory? I need to do that, and then grep the output for a particular string |
| 18:59.43 | asg | dbe: out of curiosity, are trying to change your MAC because you want to use another NIC? |
| 18:59.58 | simonrvn | iarap: remind me, what sort of connection are you trying to make, to a router that has a dhcpd running, or what? |
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| 19:00.03 | cahoot | nweaver916, just use rgrep |
| 19:00.19 | asg | dbe: if so, ifconfig <interface> hw ether de:ad:be:ef:13:37 will allow you to change the MAC of any nic |
| 19:00.24 | dbe | asg: I said that. |
| 19:00.37 | dbe | asg: Oh. |
| 19:00.41 | nweaver916 | cahoot: thanks, couldn't think of the command. Suppose a man grep would have helped me though |
| 19:00.56 | iarap | simonrvn: yea trying to connect using DHCP |
| 19:00.59 | asg | dbe: sorry, missed it. replace de:ad:be... with the old NIC's MAC and you should be golden |
| 19:01.06 | ProN00b | damnit |
| 19:01.16 | simonrvn | iarap: your router, or ISP's? |
| 19:01.34 | dbe | asg: First of all |
| 19:01.36 | dbe | asg: |
| 19:01.42 | dbe | asg: # How to make a proper DHCP_RELEASE to the DHCP server, to free up the IP? |
| 19:01.42 | dbe | tcpdump -i eth0 |
| 19:01.43 | dbe | dhclient -r eth0 |
| 19:01.43 | dbe | tcpdump -i eth0 # Wait a few minutes at least to see if anything comes back. |
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| 19:02.16 | iarap | ISP i think...dont know quite well.. |
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| 19:02.46 | simonrvn | would seem so, that being a public IP |
| 19:02.47 | iarap | simonrvn: i can only figure that line SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable during ifup eth0 |
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| 19:02.49 | asg | dbe: didn't you say the nic was eth2? |
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| 19:03.26 | iarap | simonrvn : yea... i thnk so... its ISP only.. |
| 19:03.30 | Jygga | hi, kind of offtopic sry for that. But do you prefer sbnc or znc or something else? (irssi? Oo) |
| 19:03.32 | dbe | asg: yes, I'm just writing a manual |
| 19:03.34 | dbe | asg: http://rafb.net/p/nd6nnV94.html |
| 19:03.42 | mmlj4 | lemme ask... are all of the IPs in your subnet taken? if not, why bother? the lease will expire eventually |
| 19:03.49 | asg | dbe: oh, okay. |
| 19:03.58 | dbe | asg: Can you please confirm that each line in the URL is correct. |
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| 19:04.33 | asg | dbe: the 'tcpdump' isn't required. That's just a troubleshooting tool (and you'd need to run it in another console/term) |
| 19:05.19 | dbe | asg: Why not after dhclient -r eth0 ? |
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| 19:05.45 | simonrvn | iarap: try running dhclient manually, 'dhclient eth0' |
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| 19:06.11 | deboch | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.22 | Danielss89 | hi, im trying to install memcached and gets this error: shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory |
| 19:06.34 | roxy_ | is there a utility to produce random wep key ? |
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| 19:06.53 | ederaam | Buena |
| 19:06.54 | simonrvn | Danielss89: cd out of that, means that dir doesn't exist anymore |
| 19:06.54 | ederaam | s |
| 19:06.59 | ederaam | hello |
| 19:07.12 | Danielss89 | oh.. |
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| 19:07.19 | iarap | hi deboch : i cant access my internet from debian etch...just installed it.. am trying to connect using DHCP |
| 19:07.30 | simonrvn | nothing to do with the installation of memcached |
| 19:07.37 | iarap | hi deboch : great if you can help |
| 19:08.11 | simonrvn | iarap: honestly, i'm thinking there's a rpboelm with your ISP's dhcpd... |
| 19:08.15 | simonrvn | problem* |
| 19:08.22 | deboch | iarap : are you using a modem ? |
| 19:08.29 | abrotman | simonrvn: i think there's a problem with your fingers! |
| 19:08.34 | nweaver916 | if you have multiple sessions going, does it still log all commands to ~/.bash_history? I seem to be missing some commands (and I can't remember the IP's) |
| 19:08.37 | simonrvn | no kidding hehe :) |
| 19:08.38 | iarap | hi deboch : nopes am not using it...its LAN |
| 19:08.50 | asg | dbe: the command doesn't end, it just spews packet data to the console or terminal. You run tcpdump -i eth0 in another console to see the actual traffic passing into the interface (it just will allow you to verify if data is even arriving, that's all) |
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| 19:08.56 | iarap | simonrvn: but i can connect from Redhat...that the thing |
| 19:08.58 | deboch | iarap : so you are connected wia a proxy ?? |
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| 19:09.10 | iarap | deboch: nopes...no proxy |
| 19:09.22 | simonrvn | doesn't matter what redhat does, they do something else |
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| 19:09.38 | simonrvn | (ok so not isp) |
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| 19:09.58 | iarap | simonrvn: ok... but the results come out same... for ifconfig |
| 19:10.00 | dbe | asg: Good idea. |
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| 19:10.28 | dyrne | ive got a pretty basic install of etch. ssh xserver-xorg.. cups ans such. can anyone tell me why ports 113,111,6000 etc are open to internet? any links? |
| 19:10.29 | deboch | iarap can you pastebin your ifconfig output ? |
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| 19:11.04 | dfldf | is there a way to make incoming ssh connections forward to a certain machine based upon authentication ? |
| 19:11.07 | mvfeinstein | can anyone tell me what is wrong with this command route add -net * Gw 192.168.101.25 |
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| 19:11.46 | xingu | mvfeinstein: you probably mean route add default ... |
| 19:11.46 | dondelelcaro | dfldf: yes, but why? |
| 19:11.58 | mmlj4 | and why the capital G? |
| 19:12.13 | haxality | wow, this is ridiculous. the last time I installed fglrx it worked fine. now it loads and refuses to work. |
| 19:12.20 | iarap | deboch: brb.. meanwhile you can check this file when i do an ifup eth0 |
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| 19:12.33 | haxality | libGL error: XF86DRIQueryDirectRenderingCapable returned false |
| 19:12.37 | iarap | deboch: http://host22-gskm.co.nr/ifdown_ifup.lst |
| 19:12.40 | haxality | shows up when I do the debug output of fglrxinfo |
| 19:14.37 | dfldf | dondelelcaro: well, there is a program named nx server from nomachine, and it enables you to have a remote graphical connection,... it tunnels al this data over ssh, ... now I want to be able to have only 1 public IP addres and 10 boxes sitting behind it,... every box with their own ssh server, ... and everyone connects to the public ip and gets forwarded to the proper internel server. I want to avoid having to forward the ports for every singl |
| 19:14.37 | dfldf | e connection,... |
| 19:14.51 | dbe | asg: How common is it that the DHCP server refuse to release IP with dhclient -r eth0 ? (ipconfig /release in windows works with this ISP) |
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| 19:15.23 | Braindead | dfldf: ten ports, ten DNATs. period. |
| 19:15.32 | asg | dbe: not sure, it's not something I've never had to do personally. Others might know. |
| 19:15.33 | deboch | iarap : try sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 19:15.50 | dfldf | Braindead: I have my reasons not choosing for that. period. |
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| 19:16.07 | dbe | asg: But you are 100% _sure_ that the command is dhclient -r <NIC> ? |
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| 19:16.32 | SoulChild | how do i fix this message at boot: "intel_rng: FWH not detected"??? |
| 19:16.49 | haxality | SoulChild: it's a normal message. nothing is wrong. |
| 19:17.06 | bill_ | dfldf, if you want 10 services on 1 ip, you need to use 10 ports |
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| 19:17.14 | SoulChild | haxality: but there must be a way to fix this ,... i don't like waste of ressources |
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| 19:17.33 | haxality | SoulChild: it's not wasting any resources. it's just a status message. |
| 19:17.34 | asg | dbe: that's what the manpage says. |
| 19:17.36 | asg | dbe: The client normally doesn't release the current lease as it is not required by the DHCP protocol. Some cable ISPs require their clients to notify the server if they wish to release an assigned IP address. The -r flag explicitly releases the current lease, and once the lease has been released, the client exits. |
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| 19:19.19 | dbe | asg: I have a cable ISP. |
| 19:19.35 | prarage | i have a issue with x |
| 19:19.45 | prarage | My mouse is not getting recognised |
| 19:20.01 | prarage | i installed debian sarge |
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| 19:20.14 | SoulChild | prarage: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver |
| 19:20.15 | bill_ | look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 19:20.26 | dfldf | bill_: I'm aware of what you are trying to make clear to me, ... i'm looking for a solution to that particular problem. Some sort of proxy ... |
| 19:20.33 | prarage | i did reconf many times |
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| 19:20.53 | prarage | but no good |
| 19:21.03 | bud^ | lo, i have this bloody strange problem |
| 19:21.10 | manic96 | prarage: anything in the log about it? |
| 19:21.11 | bud^ | sshd refuses to understand my sshd_config |
| 19:21.14 | SoulChild | then maybe you are setting the wrong device ,.. must be something like: /dev/psaux or /dev/mouse |
| 19:21.17 | bud^ | refuses to change ports |
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| 19:21.22 | bud^ | and allows root to login |
| 19:21.22 | dbe | asg: Thanks for your help. |
| 19:21.27 | asg | dbe: you're welcome |
| 19:21.29 | bud^ | whats the bloody problem here :( |
| 19:21.32 | prarage | yes tried that too |
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| 19:22.04 | bill_ | dfldf, i don't think that is possible because your client wouldn't have any way to select which host it wants to talk to |
| 19:22.06 | cahoot | bud^, restarted ssh? |
| 19:22.07 | prarage | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.52 | abrotman | bill_: there's no xorg in sarge |
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| 19:23.06 | zombie_monkey | agh, again the failure to install GRUB problem. it seems it is impossible to install grub if you didn't make the partition you install debian on with the debian cd's partitiioning tool |
| 19:23.07 | prarage | the logs let me check |
| 19:23.08 | abrotman | prarage: usb or ps2 ? |
| 19:23.17 | prarage | ps2 |
| 19:23.23 | bud^ | cahoot: |
| 19:23.25 | abrotman | are you also using a console mouse ? |
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| 19:23.30 | bud^ | yeah i did ./ssh restart |
| 19:23.31 | Krooks | Where is the best place to put swap ? The first partition( inner part of the disk) or the last partition( the outer part of the disk) ? |
| 19:23.32 | Danielss89 | Hmm how can i see if memcached is running on my machine? |
| 19:23.32 | bud^ | in the daemons |
| 19:23.37 | dfldf | bill_ indeed that's why on the proxy side one needs to be able to say if username x is authenticated than he gets forwarded to the ssh server running on that ip,... |
| 19:23.44 | bud^ | /init.d/ssh |
| 19:23.46 | bud^ | that is |
| 19:23.53 | dfldf | bill_ i'm not sure yet but I think http://penguin.fr/sshproxy/wiki/SshProxy/DocV0.5 can help me, ... but need to investigate that |
| 19:23.55 | SoulChild | Yeah my system boots in 28 seconds |
| 19:23.57 | abrotman | prarage: console mouse also ? |
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| 19:24.24 | prarage | abrotman: console mouse? no |
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| 19:24.46 | xingu | dfldf: so to paraphrase - "I'd like to perform a man in the middle attack on ssh during the connection setup phase" |
| 19:24.53 | xingu | dfldf: good luck with that requirement |
| 19:24.59 | asg | Krooks: the inner part is generally considered the best. However, if you start swapping, you have already lost in most cases. |
| 19:25.06 | Rug | Howdy all |
| 19:25.08 | abrotman | prarage: should be /dev/input/mice |
| 19:25.12 | abrotman | prarage: which kernel is this ? |
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| 19:25.21 | xingu | dfldf: why don't you terminate the ssh session on the gateway and forward unencrypted traffic across the transit lan? |
| 19:25.23 | SoulChild | Debian is boring !!! Everything works just fine ,... no problems like windows ,.. :( it is faster, more stable and looks better ,.. i hate it :D |
| 19:25.26 | abrotman | prarage: and why did you install sarge instead of etch ? |
| 19:25.35 | Danielss89 | Hmm how can i see if memcached is running on my machine? |
| 19:25.40 | abrotman | ps aux |
| 19:25.41 | prarage | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:25.43 | asg | Danielss89: ps |
| 19:25.57 | abrotman | prarage: should be /dev/input/mice |
| 19:25.58 | Krooks | I guess its negligible |
| 19:26.03 | prarage | the log says it configured the mouse |
| 19:26.14 | abrotman | prarage: but honestly .. you sohuld use etch .. not sarge (unless you have a good reason) |
| 19:26.32 | prarage | yeah i know |
| 19:26.33 | asg | Krooks: it used to make a difference when everything was slow. Now that somethings are magnitudes faster, you probably won't know a perceptible difference. |
| 19:26.48 | iarap | deboch: output of ifconfig -- > http://host22-gskm.co.nr/ifconfig.lst |
| 19:26.51 | Krooks | thanks asg |
| 19:26.54 | prarage | but its the only one i got now to work with |
| 19:26.57 | asg | Krooks: you're welcome |
| 19:27.10 | prarage | Option "Device" "/dev/ttyS0" |
| 19:27.23 | prarage | Configured Mouse: Emulate3Buttons, Emulate3Timeout: 50 |
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| 19:27.35 | leafwiz | this might seem a bit silly, but is there a package in the apt-get with nice backgrounds? |
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| 19:27.45 | prarage | i can see the curser sitting there |
| 19:28.11 | abrotman | prarage: i told you .. use /dev/input/mice |
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| 19:28.13 | asg | leafwiz: that depends on the definition of 'nice' |
| 19:28.27 | prarage | okay will change that in a min |
| 19:28.30 | abrotman | leafwiz: and backgrounds for what ? |
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| 19:28.38 | prarage | and will restart x |
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| 19:29.09 | leafwiz | for my gnome desktop |
| 19:29.23 | leafwiz | something like this http://video.linux-noob.com/screenshots/ubuntu/7.04/post-1-1179404178.png |
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| 19:29.42 | abrotman | !info gnome-backgrounds etch |
| 19:29.44 | dpkg | gnome-backgrounds: (a set of backgrounds packaged with the GNOME desktop), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.16.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 1036 kB, Installed size: 1312 kB |
| 19:30.01 | leafwiz | oo |
| 19:30.03 | dfldf | xingu: hmyeah,... need to look into that but I don't think that will cut it,.. |
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| 19:30.18 | abrotman | wow .. that's the most useless screen shot i may have ever seen |
| 19:30.29 | creature | Hello. I'm the proud owner of a new external HD, for use as a backup drive. I'd quite like this drive to be encrypted. How do I make this happen? |
| 19:30.39 | asg | abrotman: who would post one with a broken weather applet? |
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| 19:30.44 | xingu | iarap: ok so your upstream is mildly busted; it's handing you a /32 netmask and probably a default route. |
| 19:30.52 | abrotman | asg: an ubuntu user... |
| 19:31.08 | xingu | iarap: regardless, with a /32 netmask configured, there's no way to reach the DHCP server to ACK the lease |
| 19:31.22 | abrotman | asg: i like the icons on the bottom |
| 19:31.30 | asg | abrotman: nice, but useless |
| 19:31.31 | iarap | xingu: how can i handle that |
| 19:31.41 | bud^ | this is totally incredible |
| 19:31.46 | abrotman | asg: "hrm .. third icon in .. which mono app is that again .... " |
| 19:31.49 | xingu | iarap: shoot the 'tard that owns the dhcp server? |
| 19:31.54 | bud^ | ssh server deamon totally refuses to understand the config file |
| 19:31.59 | bud^ | i cant change listen port |
| 19:32.06 | bud^ | i cant disable root login |
| 19:32.08 | bud^ | ridicilous |
| 19:32.10 | asg | abrotman: nfc, I haven't used icons since 2004 or so |
| 19:32.21 | bud^ | restarted the daemon 200milion times |
| 19:32.40 | dondelelcaro | bud^: uh... which configuration file are you editing? |
| 19:32.47 | bud^ | sshd_config |
| 19:32.47 | bud^ | ? |
| 19:32.48 | iarap | xingu: i have to kill the cable network then.. ha ha ha .. |
| 19:32.55 | asg | bud^: if you remove the config file temporarily, does sshd start? |
| 19:32.57 | nathanv | do you guys know any packages that are cdbs based have two version compiled seperatly; I know there is the stardict project which have both stardict and stardict-gtk |
| 19:33.00 | iarap | xingu: anyother serious solution to this |
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| 19:33.11 | bud^ | asg: im scared :) then i cant access the machine :)) |
| 19:33.16 | bud^ | if it goes down |
| 19:33.21 | dondelelcaro | bud^: you're connected via ssh now. |
| 19:33.30 | asg | bud^: ah, then that would be bad. |
| 19:33.31 | xand | bud^: stopping sshd doesn't kill existing session |
| 19:33.32 | xand | s |
| 19:33.34 | dondelelcaro | bud^: just restarting the running daemon isn't going to disconnect it. |
| 19:33.35 | prarage | abrotman: xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
| 19:33.41 | xingu | iarap: are you actually *supposed* to be using dhcp? or are you supposed to be using pppoe? |
| 19:33.42 | bud^ | dondelelcaro: O_o |
| 19:33.43 | bud^ | ok |
| 19:33.52 | abrotman | prarage: paste your XF86Config-4 somewhere |
| 19:33.53 | xand | sshd spawns a new process for each connection |
| 19:33.55 | bud^ | so what shall i do? like killall -9 ssh ? |
| 19:33.56 | bud^ | =) |
| 19:33.59 | abrotman | prarage: or use etch like a sane person ;) |
| 19:34.02 | xingu | iarap: either way, I think you need to work out if your cable modem has a dhcp server; if so - enable it. |
| 19:34.08 | dondelelcaro | bud^: no. |
| 19:34.11 | prarage | i can paste |
| 19:34.14 | asg | bud^: no. Once you've verified it's running on the other port, you can log out of that session. |
| 19:34.20 | xand | bud^: that would kill ssh clients not servers |
| 19:34.22 | bud^ | oook |
| 19:34.32 | bud^ | so i have to restart everything or what? |
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| 19:34.34 | iarap | xingu: its dhcp only that i can connect |
| 19:34.34 | bud^ | =) |
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| 19:35.09 | xand | creature: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 |
| 19:35.31 | iarap | xingu: actually my connection is on LAN i thnik |
| 19:35.35 | iarap | *think |
| 19:35.37 | xingu | iarap: I seriously doubt that your cable provider is expecting to answer a dhcp request from your terminal; at a guess, they're expecting your cable modem to do dhcp on your LAN and dhcp on the hfc side. |
| 19:35.39 | prarage | abrotman: where can i paste the file |
| 19:35.49 | creature | xand: I'll check it out, thanks. |
| 19:36.10 | xingu | iarap: do you own the cable modem or is it something your provider put at the site? |
| 19:37.22 | iarap | xingu: man...nutting here...just a direct lan cable with an rj45 connector direct into my NIC |
| 19:38.06 | xingu | iarap: does the connection work with the provider's supported setup? |
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| 19:38.18 | prarage | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/KJmn6H44.html |
| 19:39.03 | bud^ | great |
| 19:39.07 | bud^ | now i cant access it at all |
| 19:39.07 | bud^ | ... |
| 19:39.09 | bud^ | ARRGH |
| 19:39.13 | iarap | xingu: nopes...these guys provide no support for Linux...only stupid wins |
| 19:39.26 | xingu | iarap: the issue is I know that "an rj45 cable" has an effective cabling radius of about 100m |
| 19:39.39 | abrotman | prarage: set both mice to /dev/input/mice |
| 19:39.59 | xingu | iarap: so there's something on the other end of it, and I strongly suspect it's misprogrammed; it ought to be doing dhcp and nat for you, I think, and it clearly isn't. |
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| 19:40.05 | prarage | okay |
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| 19:40.18 | xand | Hoxzer: they're not even rj45 plugs on the end! |
| 19:40.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone tell me how to make capslock into a backspace? |
| 19:40.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | Both in X and in CLI |
| 19:40.40 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 19:40.40 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once) |
| 19:40.48 | abrotman | i doubt you can actually do that though |
| 19:41.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | xkeycaps |
| 19:41.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | that sounds good |
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| 19:41.35 | nathanv | nevermind, I found what I was looking for :) |
| 19:41.38 | nathanv | http://cdbs.ueberalles.net/ |
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| 19:42.04 | iarap | xingu: hmmm....then my connection dosent work since its more that 100m from source.. |
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| 19:42.36 | xingu | iarap: the other gem of wisdom I can let on is that not only are you being given a 32 (all-1's, 255.255.255.255) netmask, you're also being given a routeable/registered internet address (202.142.96.21) |
| 19:42.51 | xingu | iarap: the latter is actually a good thing, but rather unusual - for a dhcp setup. |
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| 19:43.20 | xingu | iarap: again, it smacks of something which ought to be a CPE router actually bridging dhcp to the provider's headend rather than servicing it. |
| 19:43.35 | xingu | iarap: so the very first question you need to ask is - does this setup work at all, for anything? |
| 19:43.47 | xingu | iarap: if not, it's time to go bug your isp. |
| 19:43.50 | iarap | xingu: meaning? |
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| 19:44.34 | xingu | iarap: meaning it's time to make your client pc look like something your isp's troubleshooting chart can troubleshoot, I think. |
| 19:44.45 | xingu | iarap: or change providers, it's a free market. |
| 19:45.34 | iarap | xingu: man...here in my place....this is the only provider and these guys dont know even a single thing bout support for Linux |
| 19:45.49 | bud^ | k, flawless! atlast it understands me ;) |
| 19:45.51 | bud^ | thx guys |
| 19:45.52 | bud^ | solved |
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| 19:47.53 | Ezep | hey, anyone knows which is the font of the debian logo? |
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| 19:48.14 | iarap | xingu: does this type of connection matters for other Os...cos in can connect easily from other clients |
| 19:48.37 | prarage | abrotman: x starts only with /dev/ttyS0 |
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| 19:48.54 | xingu | iarap: take a look at what ifconfig eth0 says /for/ those other clients then. |
| 19:48.54 | prarage | i tried /dev/psaux |
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| 19:49.03 | prarage | and /dev/input/mice |
| 19:49.34 | iarap | xingu: i will load it with this current ssystem config..wait a sec |
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| 19:49.37 | xingu | iarap: /maybe/ using "request;" in dhclient.conf will be sufficient (ie, telling dhclient to ignore the options being passed by the isp) |
| 19:49.48 | creature | Can I force certain USB devices to always be a certain block device? That is, whenever I plug my ipod in it is /dev/sda, and whenever I plug my CF reader in it is /dev/sdc, and whenever I plug my external HD in it is /dev/sdb? |
| 19:50.02 | xingu | iarap: /maybe/, those other clients have broken dhcp clients. |
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| 19:50.50 | iarap | deboch: output of ifconfig -- > http://host22-gskm.co.nr/ifconfig2.lst |
| 19:50.59 | iarap | xingu: output of ifconfig -- > http://host22-gskm.co.nr/ifconfig2.lst |
| 19:51.05 | xingu | creature: /dev/disk/by-*/ |
| 19:51.15 | asg | Ezep: type 'debian logo font' into google |
| 19:51.26 | xingu | iarap: and netstat -rnv from that same (and I presume - working) system? |
| 19:51.32 | Ezep | asg: ty very much |
| 19:52.16 | creature | xingu: That's awesome. |
| 19:52.24 | creature | xingu: Thanks. |
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| 19:53.39 | creature | How do I find out if this drive is being talked to as a USB1.1 drive or a USB2 drive? |
| 19:53.47 | iarap | xingu: output of ifconfig -- > http://host22-gskm.co.nr/netstat.lst |
| 19:53.56 | iarap | xingu: output of netstat -- > http://host22-gskm.co.nr/netstat.lst |
| 19:54.01 | xingu | creature: lsusb -v ? |
| 19:54.16 | xingu | iarap: and this is on the working system? |
| 19:54.28 | iarap | xingu :yeps |
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| 19:55.50 | xingu | iarap: odd; on your broken system; ifconfig -a and check that the address is still 202.142.96.21; then type "route add -host 202.142.96.21 dev eth0; route add default gw 202.142.96.21" |
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| 19:57.51 | slimjimflim | does anyone know if debian supports the setlocale() function in php |
| 19:58.23 | xingu | iarap: if that "works" ie gets you some sort of connectivity - first, start with moving to dhcp3-client ("apt-get install dhcp3-client" or however you prefer to do this) |
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| 19:59.06 | DustyDingo | i made a minimal installation with netinstall and updated to unstable |
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| 19:59.24 | DustyDingo | now i want to get xorg for fluxbox working |
| 19:59.50 | xingu | iarap: if that doesn't sort it out all by itself - you may need to play with /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf; specifically, "request ..."; you may need to remove subnet-mask and broadcast-address; or it could be something else again. |
| 19:59.55 | DustyDingo | so i have installed fluxbox, xorg and fglrx graphic drivers |
| 20:00.29 | DustyDingo | but xorg complains, that no Ãproper font paths are given |
| 20:00.34 | DustyDingo | any solution for that? |
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| 20:01.05 | iarap | xingu: brb |
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| 20:02.16 | Danielss89 | abrotman ps only shows a few things.. i know that apache also is running, but its not there either |
| 20:02.20 | dyrne | can somone give tell me why 111 and 113 ports tcp are open? rcpbind and auth says nmap. problem is i can telnet to those ports from a remote machine |
| 20:02.37 | et | xinetd? |
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| 20:03.34 | asg | dyrne: because portmapper is running and also the 'identd' service via the inetd super-server |
| 20:03.49 | bonez39 | I received an email today, about a health issue. The email alledgedly has some links which I as the reader can follow to find more about the issues discussed. But... |
| 20:03.58 | bonez39 | ...when I open this message in mutt, I see it say Click Here and yet there is no link there, even if I view it in text mode. |
| 20:04.08 | bonez39 | ...how do I view this message and find the links or how do I tell the sender that their email has STRIPPED out the links? |
| 20:04.10 | Danielss89 | im trying to get memcache to work, but i get this error: Notice: Memcache::getversion() [function.Memcache-getversion]: marked server 'localhost:11211' as failed in /var/www/potterskolen/phpinfo/index.php on line 8 |
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| 20:04.19 | ixion_uk | is there any specific distro that is considered "superior" for media use? |
| 20:04.27 | dondelelcaro | bonez39: depends what you've got set up as the reader in mutt |
| 20:04.36 | dondelelcaro | bonez39: what you can do is view the attachments, and then specifically view the html attachment |
| 20:04.54 | dondelelcaro | bonez39: mutt by default shows the text/plain bits |
| 20:05.14 | edju | Streaming dvds over the LAN. They play on the client, but the menus don't work. Is that the way it's supposed to work, or did I miss something? |
| 20:05.23 | edju | using vlc. |
| 20:05.33 | dondelelcaro | edju: depends on the client; some don't do menus |
| 20:05.50 | wintix | vlc does. |
| 20:05.53 | bonez39 | dondelelcaro: I view all the attachments....and often those will include text which includes all the links, but this character sending stuff to the list I am on....send it out with all links stripped....I mean, if he sent it out, with links intact, wouldn't I be able to find them in viewing text source for the message? |
| 20:06.13 | dondelelcaro | bonez39: not if the list stripped out the HTML, which is pretty typical. |
| 20:06.22 | bonez39 | that's what I think happened... |
| 20:07.01 | dondelelcaro | bonez39: yeah, just ask for the links to be included as text; if you just want to double check, you can always open the mbox or message with less and see exactly what is in there |
| 20:07.07 | bonez39 | dondelelcaro: this is stuff that the sender gets on a subscriber paid list...and I think he sends out with all links stripped...he's not running FOSS stuff...I think he runs Outlook to mail out.... |
| 20:07.19 | bonez39 | ok.... |
| 20:07.20 | dondelelcaro | bonez39: probably |
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| 20:09.26 | infernix | dvd2 and 3 for etch aren't really needed for a basic console install, right? |
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| 20:09.44 | xand | infernix: neither is (all of) dvd 1 |
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| 20:10.25 | infernix | heh. it's been years since i installed with anything other than netinst. would just CD1 for etch do as well? |
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| 20:10.39 | neosmatrix | hmm i have a really weird problem with my 8111B/8168B PCIe onboard nic - i get only ~2MB/s transfer speed if i copy files from my linux PC to my Windows PC the latest driver from realtek doesn't change anything. Now I use Kernel version 2.6.23-rc3 and nothing has changed. If i transfer files in other directions i have ~30MB/s. Someone has an advise for me besides changing the network card ? |
| 20:10.39 | xand | infernix: yes |
| 20:10.43 | wintix | most likely, infernix |
| 20:10.54 | xand | the DVDs come with all the billions of packages |
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| 20:11.04 | infernix | does CD1 include gcc and libncurses5-dev et al, for kernel compilation? |
| 20:11.36 | infernix | i'll go with dvd1 if there's the slightest doubt :) |
| 20:11.36 | ProN00b | neosmatrix, blame windows ? |
| 20:11.43 | xand | dont know, but things are easily installed from the net |
| 20:11.46 | ProN00b | neosmatrix, what are you using to copy ? samba ? |
| 20:12.04 | wintix | infernix: if you can't afford to be wrong, take dvd1 |
| 20:12.14 | neosmatrix | ProN00b: yes samba |
| 20:12.24 | infernix | wintix: i'll do both :) |
| 20:12.25 | ProN00b | 2mb is normal for windows samba |
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| 20:12.35 | neosmatrix | ProN00b: nooo |
| 20:12.57 | ProN00b | usually it goes to 4mb for me but 2 is still pretty much normal |
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| 20:13.26 | neosmatrix | with my asus a8n-sli board i had ~35 MB/s |
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| 20:14.03 | ProN00b | with a read speed from disk of ~30MB/s that is impossible |
| 20:14.18 | blubberdiblub | maybe you should es |
| 20:14.20 | neosmatrix | my disk read speed is about 65 MB/s |
| 20:14.29 | blubberdiblub | tablish if you're talking about bits or bytes ;) |
| 20:15.24 | ProN00b | neosmatrix, still, 30mb is impossible to reach using samba |
| 20:15.24 | vin` | infernix: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 20:15.24 | infernix | o_O |
| 20:15.24 | neosmatrix | ProN00b: the low transfer speeds are only in one direction |
| 20:15.45 | neosmatrix | ProN00b: if i copy two files at the same time it speeds up to 30 MB/s |
| 20:16.22 | ProN00b | is that 100mbit lan ? |
| 20:16.36 | neosmatrix | 1000mbit |
| 20:16.47 | infernix | vin`: thanks. libncurses5-dev isn't on CD1, its on 3. i'll go with dvd 1 :) |
| 20:17.05 | ProN00b | well, use ftp and see if the problem persists |
| 20:17.27 | ProN00b | also if you are copying many small files, notice that that might also be the cause of the slowdown |
| 20:17.37 | neosmatrix | ProN00b: no all normal then |
| 20:17.47 | ProN00b | ? |
| 20:18.15 | neosmatrix | ProN00b: only with samba it is so slow and only one direction |
| 20:18.29 | ProN00b | blame windows then |
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| 20:18.40 | ProN00b | if its only samba it obviously got nothing to do with the nic |
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| 20:19.33 | slimjimflim | does anybody know how to enable money_format() for php? |
| 20:19.55 | slimjimflim | it doesn't work by default under ubuntu |
| 20:20.02 | abrotman | ask #ubutnu |
| 20:20.06 | abrotman | #ubuntu |
| 20:20.44 | neosmatrix | ProN00b: i am pretty sure that the roblem comes from this nic |
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| 20:20.54 | neosmatrix | problem* |
| 20:21.07 | ProN00b | so why is it fast with ftp then ? |
| 20:21.22 | simonrvn | Dark_Apostrophe: i told you that yesterday (xmodmap) |
| 20:21.23 | simonrvn | !test |
| 20:21.23 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 20:21.25 | simonrvn | bah |
| 20:21.29 | simonrvn | effing lag |
| 20:22.02 | neosmatrix | ProN00b: don't really know - but with the same system and my old asus a8n there was no problem |
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| 20:25.22 | snowbird | simonrvn any ideas on thosue in /out errors? |
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| 20:26.28 | snowbird | wow who is left |
| 20:26.35 | simonrvn | ah netsplit, explains that |
| 20:26.40 | simonrvn | type /names |
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| 20:28.20 | snowbird | simonrvn any ideas on my in/out errors? |
| 20:28.32 | simonrvn | !any ideas |
| 20:28.32 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of condoms, a little K-Y jelly, and a dozen three-legged hamsters. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 20:28.46 | neosmatrix | lol |
| 20:28.55 | snowbird | lol |
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| 20:29.08 | Hoxzer | h m m m |
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| 20:29.20 | snowbird | sounds like dpkg is horney or bored |
| 20:29.53 | streuner | !factinfo any ideas |
| 20:29.54 | dpkg | any ideas -- last modified at Thu Apr 8 14:31:11 2004 by greycat!~wooledg@192.35.79.70; it has been requested 697 times, last by simonrvn, 1m 21s ago. |
| 20:29.58 | streuner | :-) |
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| 20:30.28 | neosmatrix | ;D |
| 20:30.42 | yoge | I need help: Who can I define gs-esp fonpath? Im getting this error with no parameters : "CRIT: rangecheck in get \ Operand stack: \ /usr/local/share/fonts/CHLORENF.ttf 0 |
| 20:30.45 | snowbird | if u that stumped maybe new rotuer would suffice |
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| 20:30.52 | antgel | that is the first and last time i ever eat a kfc big daddy meal |
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| 20:31.06 | lewis222 | I am looking for a debian stable/etch package of php5-ffmpeg for the AMD64 platform. Anyone have one? |
| 20:31.08 | simonrvn | considering i never got that info, i'm not surprised "i'm stumped" |
| 20:31.22 | simonrvn | plonk |
| 20:31.46 | snowbird | simonrvn i dont know how to get and paste it its to long to type when it |
| 20:31.46 | snowbird | flashes |
| 20:31.49 | manic96 | I've recently upgraded to etch from sarge and am using verison 7.1.1 of xorg. I have used the dpkg-reconfigured tool to attempt to get xwindows to work to no avail. xwindows will start but the screen is not rendering properly. It seems like it should be an easy fix but I have found nothing on google for my video card (rage 128) or my montior. Does anyone have any ideas on where I could look next? This card/monitor combination worked u |
| 20:31.53 | antgel | !seen greycat |
| 20:31.53 | dpkg | greycat is currently on #debian-bots (7h 53m 51s), last said: 'but whatever... I gave up on #debian'. |
| 20:32.05 | abrotman | antgel: try #-ot |
| 20:32.33 | antgel | abrotman: got things to do. he back? i haven't seen him here or -ot for a long time |
| 20:32.43 | abrotman | antgel: you're not in #-ot .. how would you know ? :) |
| 20:32.49 | lewis222 | or, does anyone know where I can find phpize for compiling a shared php5 module? |
| 20:33.01 | antgel | abrotman: oh yeah. but when i was last in |
| 20:33.09 | abrotman | for 10- minutes! |
| 20:33.28 | antgel | abrotman: nobody pays me to be in -ot :( |
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| 20:33.43 | simonrvn | i'm not paid to be here either. what's your point? |
| 20:34.12 | antgel | simonrvn: that i don't have the spare time |
| 20:34.36 | simonrvn | /j debian-offtopic too hard? :P |
| 20:35.04 | antgel | s/hard?/addictive. |
| 20:35.10 | abrotman | antgel: you're paid to be here ? |
| 20:35.36 | asg | he's paid to do ... er ... other things |
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| 20:35.51 | antgel | abrotman: yeah bill gates told me to keep a look-out. |
| 20:35.52 | Supaplex | you're quick ;) |
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| 20:36.13 | antgel | abrotman: at least here i might learn something that might be useful in my professional life |
| 20:36.26 | abrotman | antgel: i can teach you things in #-ot! |
| 20:36.35 | asg | he says that to all the boys |
| 20:36.56 | antgel | although in reality it's just gawping at the idiots, and the odd snigger |
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| 20:37.13 | asg | antgel: we've been doing that in here for years also |
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| 20:37.19 | DrFrasierCrane | where can I find apache extension tool (apxs) in sarge? |
| 20:37.23 | DrFrasierCrane | which package |
| 20:37.23 | antgel | asg: i meant in here |
| 20:37.26 | asg | DrFrasierCrane: /msg dpkg search |
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| 20:37.34 | abrotman | !tell DrFrasierCrane about search |
| 20:38.02 | antgel | oh, and watching the natives simultaneously fire off commands to the bot, in subtly different ways :P |
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| 20:38.19 | asg | !burninate antgel |
| 20:38.31 | abrotman | !fruitsmite antgel |
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| 20:38.43 | simonrvn | !topicsmite antgel |
| 20:38.43 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon antgel. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 20:38.44 | iarap | xingu: man... your trick works a bit... i can ping to gateway but cannot open any site.. |
| 20:39.24 | blahdeblah | Morning. I'm trying to purge the moodle package, and it's failing: http://rafb.net/p/eucV3C80.html How can i see the output of the postrm script to determine what's happening? |
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| 20:41.51 | iarap | hmmm... no help anymore :( |
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| 20:42.16 | smcavoy | anyone know of a guide to creating a simple debian binary package? |
| 20:42.23 | ProN00b | is "Select and install software" the last step of the install ? |
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| 20:43.00 | streuner | !listvals maint |
| 20:43.02 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'maint' by value (15 of 134): create a debian package ;; debian-sys-maint ;; dmm ;; drupal ;; kcrash ;; kov ;; mwr ;; new-maintainer ;; nmu ;; opie ;; optionnal ;; rfc677 ;; robot101 mozilla debs ;; timriker ;; update-grub. |
| 20:43.55 | manic96 | would the latest/appropriate opengl driver come with xorg when it is installed or does that need updated seperately? |
| 20:44.12 | streuner | !new-maint-guide |
| 20:44.12 | dpkg | hmm... new-maint-guide is http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 20:44.15 | DustyDingo | hm, i try to set the background in fluxbox with fbsetbg, which is a wrapper for fbsetroot or xsetroot, but it can't find any of those binarys |
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| 20:44.34 | streuner | smcavoy: ^^^ |
| 20:44.39 | DustyDingo | is there another methode, how i can set the background in X? |
| 20:44.56 | smcavoy | streuner: thanks |
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| 20:45.09 | streuner | DustyDingo: "E" has app as well |
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| 20:45.55 | DustyDingo | streuner: ??? |
| 20:46.04 | iarap | can anyone help me with connection to internet in debian etch? |
| 20:46.50 | dondelelcaro | iarap: best to just ask your question |
| 20:47.01 | streuner | DustyDingo: Esetroot |
| 20:47.07 | snowbird | yeah what type of conection |
| 20:47.12 | snowbird | lan or wifi? |
| 20:47.14 | iarap | its a LAN |
| 20:47.24 | snowbird | ok do u got router |
| 20:47.25 | iarap | cant connect.. using DHCP |
| 20:47.41 | JohnFlux | How do I reinstall a package? |
| 20:47.45 | AbsintheSyringe | I got one weird situation here |
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| 20:47.46 | AbsintheSyringe | http://rafb.net/p/Cnnnjw45.html |
| 20:47.47 | streuner | DustyBin: Flux? well, did you read FAQ about, its mention there, IIRC? |
| 20:47.49 | JohnFlux | completely. just --reinstall skips files |
| 20:47.52 | simonrvn | DustyDingo: xsetbg |
| 20:48.04 | iarap | snowbird: no router |
| 20:48.08 | simonrvn | comes with the x install, and simple |
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| 20:48.31 | streuner | some themes using there own bg's in flux |
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| 20:48.44 | streuner | and there own path (config) |
| 20:49.00 | simonrvn | and? doesn't prevent the user fromsetting their own bg |
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| 20:50.02 | snowbird | ok then what ahveyou tried |
| 20:50.06 | iarap | my ip address,mask and gateway shows correct but i cant ping to any ip.. |
| 20:50.10 | snowbird | have pardon |
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| 20:50.28 | snowbird | seems like router isue |
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| 20:50.39 | snowbird | have you turned router of and on? |
| 20:50.47 | lex | OKay... straight question: do we work on MacTel? Yes/No and, if not, Who does? |
| 20:51.02 | iarap | snowbird : so many things... i dont have a router here...its in my cable net guys house. |
| 20:51.31 | snowbird | i dont know then with out router acsess |
| 20:51.40 | simonrvn | man that sounds FUBAR |
| 20:51.42 | iarap | ohh..ok then.. |
| 20:51.55 | iarap | :( |
| 20:52.04 | simonrvn | what did snowbird say? |
| 20:52.23 | snowbird | nothing just i dont know what to do |
| 20:52.33 | iarap | dont know how to do it... |
| 20:52.34 | iarap | :) |
| 20:52.59 | iarap | what bout you guys using it..can you access internet without any problem? |
| 20:53.10 | abrotman | i'm here! |
| 20:53.26 | iarap | then..that means no problem abrotman .. |
| 20:53.40 | evilgeek | is there a KDE or gnome equivalent of windows paintbrush? |
| 20:53.55 | abrotman | kpaint is in kde .. gimp in gnome i guess |
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| 20:54.04 | simonrvn | iarap: do you have some sort of packet filtering going on? |
| 20:54.06 | abrotman | and xpaint for all! |
| 20:54.14 | evilgeek | do they output to eps? |
| 20:54.17 | abrotman | oh .. gpaint too |
| 20:54.17 | asg | evilgeek: there's also gpaint |
| 20:54.18 | evilgeek | (i'd use xfig, but i don't have all day.) |
| 20:54.22 | simonrvn | gimp does IIRC |
| 20:54.24 | x_link | You can use GIMP in KDE as well. |
| 20:54.36 | evilgeek | oh, good point. |
| 20:54.42 | iarap | simonrvn : nopes..nuting like that |
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| 20:55.56 | iarap | xingu asked me to typed something... i did add the host and default gateway and then i can ping to the gateway..but i cant access google or othere. |
| 20:55.56 | simonrvn | iarap: 'cause it sounds to me like dhclient and the dhcpd make initial contact, set up the negotiation, but it doesn't complete. it could be there's something wrong like the dhcpd is non-standard |
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| 20:56.06 | simonrvn | iarap: that's just probably DNS |
| 20:56.25 | simonrvn | use the DNS you have in windows for /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:57.34 | iarap | the dns obtained in windows and in etch is same... the same ip |
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| 20:59.45 | davis | i am trying to install bugzilla on unstable. I get the following error |
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| 20:59.50 | simonrvn | iarap: ok |
| 21:00.03 | davis | /var/lib/dpkg/info/bugzilla.postinst: line 107: /etc/bugzilla/dbconfig-params: No such file or directory |
| 21:00.12 | simonrvn | probably just the routing table still, and a valid IP address .... |
| 21:00.16 | carramba | hi. i've tried to install Debian Etch on laptop w. AMD64 (irrelevant). after first reboot (and subsequent ones) my screen is a garbage. I can run it on single mode, though. and then startx works fine (from root). What should I do? |
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| 21:01.04 | iarap | the routing table is empty as you have seen it.. |
| 21:01.18 | davis | i did a dist-upgrade and --purge removal of bugzilla, but it still fails when I try to reinstall it. |
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| 21:02.53 | davis | hmm. i just touched the file to create it and retried. it seems to work. |
| 21:03.03 | mefistofeles | hey, my Xorg does not start, I get a fatal error message "Could not open dafult cursor font 'cursor'"... any ideas?? |
| 21:03.09 | mefistofeles | default* |
| 21:03.34 | mefistofeles | I reainstalled xfotns-base already and did a dpkg-reconfigure on xorg, but still doesnt work |
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| 21:03.54 | abrotman | what does fonts have to do with cursor ? |
| 21:04.29 | mefistofeles | check your misc fontpath you should see a cursor.pcf.gz file |
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| 21:04.40 | mefistofeles | I have that one, but no idea whats wrong |
| 21:04.57 | simonrvn | mefistofeles: apt-cache search x cursor |
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| 21:06.25 | mefistofeles | simonrvn: did that... what should I look for? |
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| 21:07.00 | simonrvn | x-cursor-themes, install it |
| 21:07.08 | mefistofeles | oh ok |
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| 21:07.27 | mefistofeles | simonrvn: and then? |
| 21:07.40 | snowbird | simonrvn if i boot with out lan i get no errors |
| 21:08.00 | DustyDingo | hm, i have a fluxbox theme which uses the font: -misc-snap-medium-r-normal--12-120-75-75-c-*-iso8859-1 |
| 21:08.28 | DustyDingo | what is a good way to find the proper package with the font it needs? |
| 21:08.42 | manic96 | if I try the generic vesa driver in place of the ati driver and the same problem with the screen rendering occurs does that imply that I have ruled out the driver as a problem? |
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| 21:09.57 | fuzzy_logic | hi people.. i am using ubuntu right now, but i have got enough of it, i would like to switch to debian.. how can i do that while still keeping my files, installed programs and settings etc.? |
| 21:10.14 | Supaplex | fuzzy_logic: is /home on its own partition? |
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| 21:10.43 | Supaplex | fuzzy_logic: installed programs and settings might not be a clean cut-over |
| 21:10.52 | fuzzy_logic | ehh.. ubuntu did the automatic disk partitioning and stuff.. so i really don't know |
| 21:11.03 | fuzzy_logic | Supaplex: but is it possible you think? |
| 21:11.10 | Supaplex | fuzzy_logic: df -h show us at http://rafb.net/paste |
| 21:11.24 | mefistofeles | simonrvn: I installed xcursor-themes and tried again 'startx' but I get the same error |
| 21:12.33 | fuzzy_logic | Supaplex: http://paste.debian.net/34731 :P |
| 21:12.35 | Supaplex | fuzzy_logic: unless you're prepared to migrate it by hand, you're better off moving everything into an alternate directory, installing, and comparing after install. a real backup is hands down the best option |
| 21:12.41 | DustyBin | im trying to make a xfs filesystem on a disk with: mkfs -txfs /dev/sda1 but it says: mkfs.xfs: Use the -f option to force overwrite. the -f option means fragment size? |
| 21:12.54 | fuzzy_logic | Supaplex: how can i migrate it by hand? |
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| 21:14.52 | \amethyst | DustyBin: for mkfs.xfs, -f should mean "force creation, even if an existing filesystem was detected" |
| 21:15.13 | \amethyst | DustyBin: -f means fragment size for mkfs.ext2/3 |
| 21:15.44 | Supaplex | fuzzy_logic: there's a few things involved. /msg dpkg about clone, i-g to start. when you're ready to proceed, boot from a live cd, mount your drive at /oldisk, mkdir /disk/oldinstall and mv /disk/* /oldinstall (strictly a boilerplate) |
| 21:15.58 | \amethyst | DustyBin: man mkfs.xfs for more information |
| 21:16.10 | DustyBin | thanks |
| 21:16.16 | DustyBin | mkfs.xfs -f /dev/sda1 |
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| 21:16.22 | DustyBin | :^) |
| 21:16.30 | \amethyst | DustyBin: mkfs -txfs -f /dev/sda1 should work too |
| 21:16.37 | DustyBin | aye it does |
| 21:16.51 | DustyBin | actually i couldnt get that to work |
| 21:16.56 | DustyBin | mkfs.xfs -f /dev/sda1 <-- this worked |
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| 21:17.20 | SpeS | hi |
| 21:17.24 | fuzzy_logic | Supaplex: ah ok |
| 21:17.54 | SpeS | is it safe to switch from etch to testing in sources.list? anything I shoult be aware of? will it just work? :) |
| 21:17.54 | xan | Hi, I need to install tcl for my eggdrop to run, however "apt-cache search tcl" gives me a lot of results, which package should I pick? |
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| 21:18.40 | dondelelcaro | xan: just apt-get install eggdrop; |
| 21:19.00 | _pt_ | anyone know why linux finds the dvd but not the vcd? wierd enough, my system finds dvd or any mp3 insert to the dvd-disk but my system doesn't recognize when it is vcd disk. i cannot watch my old movie on vcd ... |
| 21:19.16 | \amethyst | xan: tcl8.4 is what the debian version of eggdrop depends on |
| 21:19.26 | Supaplex | SpeS: for desktops, generally yes. /msg dpkg testing (and you might want lenny in sources.list to prevent contention when lenny goes stable) |
| 21:19.32 | xan | ok |
| 21:19.46 | DustyBin | if im sharing a drive over NFS does it matter what the filesystem is? ie. if it was ext3 would i still be able to read that disk via NFS on MAC OS X? |
| 21:20.05 | SpeS | Supaplex, aham ok :) |
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| 21:20.23 | \amethyst | DustyBin: The underlying filesystem doesn't matter, except for the features it supports |
| 21:20.30 | DustyBin | aye ok |
| 21:20.35 | _pt_ | do you guys have any ideas about vcd vs dvd to be recognized by the system? |
| 21:20.39 | DustyBin | i think ext3 is better than fat32 |
| 21:20.41 | \amethyst | DustyBin: if you use a filesystem without extended attributes, for example, you won't have extended attributes over nfs |
| 21:20.45 | \amethyst | DustyBin: far far better |
| 21:20.52 | DustyBin | aye excellent :D |
| 21:20.59 | \amethyst | DustyBin: FAT32 was obsolete when it was invented |
| 21:21.02 | DustyBin | im using xfs for mythtvs large video files |
| 21:21.09 | DustyBin | heheehehe |
| 21:21.12 | mefistofeles | lol |
| 21:21.34 | DustyBin | i read somewhere that xfs is ideal for large files |
| 21:22.10 | Supaplex | SpeS: oh, and apt-listbugs to |
| 21:22.22 | mefistofeles | check wikipedia FS comparison... I think it has good info |
| 21:22.47 | \amethyst | DustyBin: it uses extents, which help to keep large files from becoming fragmented |
| 21:22.48 | SpeS | Supaplex, ?? |
| 21:23.02 | Supaplex | !apt-listbugs |
| 21:23.02 | dpkg | apt-listbugs (apt-get install apt-listbugs) is available since atleast Sarge. When installed, it will fetch the list of critical <bts> bugs that pertain to any packages being installed. Modern releases allow you to pin a version to subvert any packages you discover to be too risky (see <pinning>). Older releases only allowed holding (see <hold>). |
| 21:23.06 | AbsintheSyringe | does anyone has a core duo cpu whose temp is usually around 80? |
| 21:23.08 | \amethyst | DustyBin: ext4 (still in development) uses extents, too, I think |
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| 21:23.16 | DustyBin | interesting |
| 21:23.19 | xan | dondelelcaro: how would I be able to configure my eggdrop then? I can't seem to find the config file for it when I install it via apt-get |
| 21:23.29 | Biff | AbsintheSyringe: core 2? or the old core? |
| 21:23.38 | SpeS | Supaplex, good! :D |
| 21:23.42 | AbsintheSyringe | Biff, core duo 1, notebook t2400 1.83 |
| 21:23.50 | delliott | The original core duos were hot |
| 21:24.13 | Biff | ah, ok |
| 21:24.17 | Supaplex | SpeS: get in the habbit of checking bts before asking for help on testing. if at some time you confirm/conclude it is a real bug, use reportbug |
| 21:24.39 | Biff | i thought core architecture had always been pretty cool |
| 21:24.51 | SpeS | Supaplex, I'm installing apt-listbugs now |
| 21:24.59 | AbsintheSyringe | yea I thought same too, until lately I started monitoring it all the time |
| 21:25.11 | AbsintheSyringe | right now I'm not doing anything special, just my usual stuff and it's 85c |
| 21:25.21 | AbsintheSyringe | when not doing anything around 60 |
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| 21:25.41 | ixion_uk | would a TOS (Type of Service) traffic optimizer mean that it optimizes based on destination port ??? |
| 21:25.42 | AbsintheSyringe | actually I'm gonna go turn everything off to see how low it goes |
| 21:26.03 | DustyBin | this is interesting, the filesystem on sda1 is xfs, and the filesystem on sda2 is ext3: |
| 21:26.07 | DustyBin | /dev/sda1 200G 558k 200G 1% /mnt/mythtv_video |
| 21:26.10 | Supaplex | AbsintheSyringe: it'd be cooler if I had one for free. ;) my p4 idles around 55C 70C is critical. check the part number on intel's site for suggested limits. |
| 21:26.10 | DustyBin | /dev/sda2 197G 197M 187G 1% /mnt/audiostore |
| 21:26.41 | DustyBin | ext3 eats up more space for some reason |
| 21:26.42 | Trewas | _pt_: one difference is that vcds do not work by simply mounting them and playing the files as usual, they must be playd with mplayer vcd://1 etc |
| 21:27.03 | \amethyst | DustyBin: man tune2fs, look for the word "reserved" |
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| 21:27.16 | \amethyst | DustyBin: or are you talking about 200 vs 197 ? |
| 21:27.38 | AbsintheSyringe | Supaplex, when ripping dvd or compiling kernel it goes up to 100C, which is normal, but ordinary things I do, and 80 that's not good |
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| 21:28.28 | Supaplex | AbsintheSyringe: yikes. I peak around 67C while playing flash movies (large screen area) |
| 21:28.31 | DustyBin | \amethyst: it says 200G available for XFS and 187G available for ext3 |
| 21:28.49 | \amethyst | DustyBin: that's because ext3 has a certain percentage of the filesystem reserved for root |
| 21:28.53 | DustyBin | aye ok |
| 21:29.01 | davis | anybody use bugzilla with sid? |
| 21:29.07 | AbsintheSyringe | Supaplex, I'm just gonna contact intel on this one, got any clue on contact address regarding this issue? |
| 21:29.09 | \amethyst | DustyBin: man tune2fs to see how to change that |
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| 21:30.07 | Supaplex | AbsintheSyringe www.intel.com ;) |
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| 21:31.04 | AbsintheSyringe | Supaplex, you ... *evil-stare :) |
| 21:31.10 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 21:31.36 | DustyDingo | is /join #fluxbox |
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| 21:32.31 | DrFrasierCrane | generally is it safe to compile new stuff and install it in sarge? i want subversion 1.4 for example while there's only 1.1 in repos i think :( |
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| 21:32.47 | DrFrasierCrane | but 1.4 depends of libapr >= 0.9.7 while sarge has 0.9.6... |
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| 21:34.13 | creature | So, I want to encrypt a hard disk. Someone pointed me to http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469, which talks about Luks. Is Luks the best/recommended way of acheiving this goal? |
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| 21:35.09 | dragonheart | i use luks and quite like to for full disk encryption. |
| 21:35.51 | creature | dragonheart: Any complaints about it? |
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| 21:37.09 | simonrvn | DrFrasierCrane: first of all, why are you using sarge? it's oldstable |
| 21:37.41 | DrFrasierCrane | simonrvn, it's not my choice :-( I have to install few services on a dedicated server.. |
| 21:37.47 | DrFrasierCrane | and they have sarge there :-( |
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| 21:38.46 | simonrvn | then tell them to upgrade; and yeh it is, but you'll have to do it again when you have it updated (maybe not, depending) |
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| 21:40.10 | DrFrasierCrane | simonrvn, you mean it's safe in general ? |
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| 21:40.32 | proc355 | any one tell me which package contains the default fonts installed with etch - im after the 'face "clean" (mono pixel type thing) |
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| 21:41.56 | jcole | anyone here use vpnc and know how to retrieve dns info after connection? |
| 21:42.10 | simonrvn | DrFrasierCrane: if you need something like a backport from sid or lenny, i think you can still get some from backports.org . if not then you'll be stuck building it yourself |
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| 21:42.28 | NicNac | are matrox video cards supported well under linux? |
| 21:42.37 | dondelelcaro | NicNac: some of them are |
| 21:42.39 | simonrvn | DrFrasierCrane: i hope you're debianising this stuff you're building, or using the source packages? |
| 21:42.44 | jcole | NicNac: yes, the drivers are open source |
| 21:42.49 | jelly-home | jcole: yes. no - it "just works" here |
| 21:42.54 | DrFrasierCrane | simonrvn, yes I'm building subversion right now, but I wonder if it's safe to run manually compiled stuff there |
| 21:43.07 | jcole | jelly-home: are you using kvpnc or the command line? |
| 21:43.30 | simonrvn | DrFrasierCrane: well if it's built on the machine it's destined for, surely, and any similar machines |
| 21:43.37 | jelly-home | jcole: command line. I have resolvconf installed, vpnc updates /etc/resolv.conf. |
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| 21:44.06 | NicNac | how about a matrox g450 mms? |
| 21:44.20 | DrFrasierCrane | simonrvn, thanks |
| 21:44.36 | simonrvn | np |
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| 21:44.54 | jcole | jelly-home: hmm, maybe i just need to "apt-get install resolvconf" then |
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| 21:45.50 | jelly-home | jcole: it'll probably mess up your statically configured current /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:46.45 | jelly-home | jcole: however, it works well with ppp, vpnc and various dhcp clients |
| 21:46.50 | simonrvn | it will for sure |
| 21:47.10 | jcole | jelly-home: The following packages will be REMOVED: gnome-ppp |
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| 21:47.40 | jelly-home | jcole: don't tell me you're using both k* stuff and gnome-* stuff |
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| 21:48.46 | themill | resolvconf conflicts with gnome-ppp because no-one has updated it to work with resolvconf |
| 21:49.02 | themill | see bug 258064 |
| 21:49.19 | jelly-home | and resolvconf has been here for quite a while |
| 21:49.42 | jelly-home | ... frankly I'm surprised it's not used by default in etch |
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| 21:51.06 | themill | see also bug 208095: Please suggest resolvconf: WONTFIX. |
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| 21:51.42 | jelly-home | jcole: if you have iface ... inet static entries in /etc/network/interfaces, you can make them work with resolvconf by adding two lines like this: dns-search zg.iskon.hr iskon.hr ; dns-nameservers 10.0.0.4 |
| 21:51.48 | themill | (that's for ppp itself... if ever there was a package that should use resolvconf) |
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| 21:54.48 | jelly-home | themill: [...] huh, that one is still open? And for a measly Suggests. |
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| 21:56.21 | freenot | !initrd |
| 21:56.21 | dpkg | initrd is probably initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd |
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| 21:56.46 | themill | Yep. Not Invented Here, it would seem. Some people like munging /etc/resolv.conf by dodgy scripts... |
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| 21:57.49 | jelly-home | themill: yeah, but making them all use the same dodgy script sounds rather rational :-) |
| 21:58.21 | evilgeek | making them use no scripts at all is more rational. |
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| 21:59.04 | jelly-home | evilgeek: well, it's just that having proper dns resolution is kind of important. At least on the internets. |
| 21:59.16 | ixion_uk | whats that synapsis apt-get gui thing called? |
| 21:59.20 | evilgeek | yes. that's why resolvconf and friends need to die. |
| 21:59.22 | ixion_uk | synaptic.. or something |
| 21:59.27 | themill | that's the one |
| 21:59.40 | jelly-home | evilgeek: what's the better alternative? |
| 21:59.41 | ixion_uk | syn... |
| 21:59.44 | evilgeek | vi |
| 21:59.54 | themill | ixion_uk: synaptic |
| 21:59.56 | ixion_uk | vim |
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| 22:00.00 | \amethyst | hmm... showing it with f12 is simple |
| 22:00.03 | \amethyst | doh |
| 22:00.05 | ixion_uk | synaptic is the mouse driver? |
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| 22:00.20 | jelly-home | evilgeek: welcome to the 20th century, huh? |
| 22:00.40 | evilgeek | if the 20th century is the one without needless added complexity, then i'm there. |
| 22:01.44 | jelly-home | evilgeek: I agree, but vi does not make vpnc, ppp and dhcp update my dns resolver setup correctly without manual intervention |
| 22:01.44 | freenot | does every new kernel you make, then add to menu.lst, require an initrd statement? |
| 22:01.48 | evilgeek | in the three or four cases where a script like resolvconf actually makes sense (ie/ a machine that does ppp and connects to more than one network that needs a name server), the users can roll their own resolvconf replacement tailored specifically to their own needs. |
| 22:02.20 | jelly-home | evilgeek: it's a stupid work, I don't want to do it manually. |
| 22:02.28 | evilgeek | jelly-home: right. but resolvconf breaks your resolv.conf with or without manual intervention. |
| 22:02.39 | dondelelcaro | hardly |
| 22:02.40 | jelly-home | evilgeek: works-for-me! |
| 22:02.45 | evilgeek | you write a three-line shell script that does it for you. this takes fifteen seconds and you're done. |
| 22:02.52 | evilgeek | jelly-home: but it doesn't work-by-default. |
| 22:02.55 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: sure it does |
| 22:02.59 | jelly-home | evilgeek: it does. |
| 22:03.17 | evilgeek | then why was my resolver configuration broken as soon as i installed some package that depended on resolvconf? |
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| 22:03.36 | evilgeek | write the three-line shell script yourself. and welcome to the world of unix, where worse is better. |
| 22:03.38 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: probably because you aren't configuring resolvconf correclty. |
| 22:03.50 | evilgeek | dondelelcaro: therefore it doesn't work by default. |
| 22:03.58 | jelly-home | evilgeek: the fact that it's broken still doesn't say there's no need for it, or that there's anything better |
| 22:04.04 | evilgeek | dondelelcaro: my resolv.conf was perfectly fine before that package showed up and fucked everything over. |
| 22:04.08 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: it actually does if you're using a method that it understands, like dhcp, php, et al. |
| 22:04.11 | dondelelcaro | s/php/ppp/ |
| 22:04.26 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: and by default it should be using your existing resolv.conf as the header for the resolv.conf that it creates. |
| 22:04.34 | evilgeek | dondelelcaro: i'm using dhcp. the problem is that my roommate's cable modem lies about whether it can resolve hosts. |
| 22:04.46 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: so fix your dhclient.conf |
| 22:04.47 | evilgeek | well, it didn't =) |
| 22:04.57 | jelly-home | evilgeek: so fix your hardware. |
| 22:04.58 | evilgeek | why bother? it worked before, and installing resolvconf broke it. |
| 22:05.02 | explody | ok I've got one for ya. I've got a freshly installed SLES10 box that for the most part is working fine, but when I ping either of a couple debian servers I have, I get something like 75-80% packet loss. The loss occurs pretty rhythmically, in bursts of no response after bursts of 10-20 replies |
| 22:05.03 | evilgeek | the easy solution is to remove resolvconf. |
| 22:05.06 | evilgeek | jelly-home: not my hardware. |
| 22:05.16 | evilgeek | jelly-home: complain to rogers if this is a big problem for you. |
| 22:05.17 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: then remove it; but whatever you do, stop complaining here about it. |
| 22:05.27 | jelly-home | evilgeek: you're the user -- your hardware. |
| 22:05.36 | explody | sniffing on the deb servers shows the echo requests the _entire_ time, just for the outage bursts, there are no replies sent |
| 22:05.37 | evilgeek | jelly-home: rogers owns it. thus it's not my hardware. |
| 22:06.07 | evilgeek | dondelelcaro: perhaps you are not aware of the origin of this discussion. i'm questioning the value of packages that randomly reconfigure one's system, not complaining about my own personal experience with resolvconf. |
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| 22:06.31 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: in this particular case, it's a perfectly reasonable default for the package to configure resolv.conf correctly. |
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| 22:06.54 | explody | no iptables rules and no other systems show this problem. If I wasn't seeing the pings on the destination machine the entire time, I'd say it was the SLES box, but it seems like the deb boxes just decide to not answer like 75% of the time |
| 22:06.59 | sparrw | sparr: kagu ogg! |
| 22:07.02 | evilgeek | dondelelcaro: having packages stomp on user configuration files is never reasonable. i believe there's a debian policy regarding this. |
| 22:07.13 | jelly-home | evilgeek: the origin was discussing vpnc, which works well with resolvconf, with the caveats that I mentioned to the user above. |
| 22:07.19 | ixion_uk | does XFCE not come with / work with synaptic |
| 22:07.24 | explody | this ring a bell with anyone? |
| 22:07.44 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: resolv.conf isn't a user configuration file when you're using dhcp, though. |
| 22:07.51 | jelly-home | evilgeek: filed a RC bug? |
| 22:07.55 | evilgeek | dondelelcaro: if i touch it, it's mine. |
| 22:08.19 | jelly-home | evilgeek: I touch /etc/mtab, but it still isn't mine. |
| 22:08.21 | evilgeek | jelly-home: "RC"? filing bugs on debian systems is a tremendous waste of time. |
| 22:08.28 | \amethyst | evilgeek: unfortunately /etc/resolv.conf isn't a conffile, so the user-change-tracking isn't there |
| 22:08.33 | jelly-home | evilgeek: so use something else :-) |
| 22:08.50 | evilgeek | jelly-home: that's different. /etc/mtab has a documented purpose that has quite a bit to do with the 'mount' command. |
| 22:08.53 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: and moreover, it even asks you about it in debconf |
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| 22:09.04 | nweaver916 | can you set up "virtual" users (i.e. users with no local account) in exim4? |
| 22:09.22 | dondelelcaro | nweaver916: yees. |
| 22:09.34 | evilgeek | dondelelcaro: interesting. i don't recall the occasion. was this true two years ago (or whenever resolvconf made its way into debian?) |
| 22:09.44 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: yes. |
| 22:09.48 | evilgeek | nweaver916: /etc/aloases. |
| 22:09.57 | jelly-home | evilgeek: hey, you don't want to file bugs, you don't get fixes. That's fine by me. |
| 22:10.02 | \amethyst | evilgeek: resolvconf is specifically for automatically configuring resolv.conf, so it's not outrageous for it to overwrite the file |
| 22:10.10 | dondelelcaro | the question is resolvconf/linkify-resolvconf; as it's been for quite some time |
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| 22:10.23 | \amethyst | evilgeek: to be fair, the long description does say " This package may require some manual configuration. Please read the README file for detailed instructions." |
| 22:10.24 | evilgeek | jelly-home: i occasionally do file bugs when something is really, really broken. but reportbug usually barfs when i try that. |
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| 22:10.46 | jelly-home | evilgeek: have you filed a bug on reportbug? :-D |
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| 22:11.10 | dondelelcaro | it's not like you even need to use reportbug to file bugs |
| 22:11.15 | matadon | Anyone able to think of a word for 'getting rid of old kit and replace it with new kit'? It's not 'deprecation'... |
| 22:11.27 | dondelelcaro | matadon: what, replacing? |
| 22:11.27 | evilgeek | \amethyst: i think it's outrageous that someone made a debian package for overwriting people's resolv.conf files with garbage. and that someone else thought it was such a good idea that they made their code depend upon it. |
| 22:11.30 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: using a mail client is so passe! |
| 22:11.43 | freenot | does every new kernel you make, then add to menu.lst, require an initrd statement? |
| 22:11.50 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: it's not outrageous at all. If you think for a few minutes about the usage cases, it'll begin to make sense. |
| 22:12.00 | evilgeek | jelly-home: couldn't be bothered. i really do have better things to do that play with daft developers. |
| 22:12.02 | dondelelcaro | freenot: if it's using an initrd |
| 22:12.23 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: if you're not going to file bugs, then why complain here? |
| 22:12.33 | freenot | the default kernel is, but i made another kernel (xen), so want to know does it need one too? |
| 22:12.37 | evilgeek | dondelelcaro: i have thought about the use cases. they are all better served by a user-written three-line shell script. something along the lines of "#!/bin/sh\necho foo > /etc/resolv.conf" that you execute after running dhcp or something. |
| 22:12.38 | dondelelcaro | freenot: depends |
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| 22:12.51 | evilgeek | dondelelcaro: see above about the word "complain." |
| 22:12.52 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: you must only run dhcp on a single network then |
| 22:13.15 | evilgeek | dondelelcaro: correct. i've met few people who use dhcp on multiple networks regularly. |
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| 22:13.30 | evilgeek | dondelelcaro: you're pretty far away from the norm, then =) |
| 22:13.36 | dondelelcaro | pretty much anyone who uses a laptop does, actually. |
| 22:14.01 | dondelelcaro | and resolvconf is pretty good at dealing with that too |
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| 22:14.40 | evilgeek | do you actually use a nameserver other than 4.2.2.2? =) |
| 22:15.03 | jelly-home | I only need a canonical way to figure out which network the machine is connected to... there's like 10 packages to deal with that. |
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| 22:15.55 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: sure |
| 22:16.08 | evilgeek | jelly-home: the /etc/network/interfaces file can have 'up' lines that can touch a file somewhere that says which network you're connected to. |
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| 22:16.31 | jelly-home | evilgeek: no, I wan't the machine to figure it out itself. |
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| 22:16.41 | jelly-home | s/'// |
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| 22:17.06 | evilgeek | jelly-home: ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr"? |
| 22:17.08 | sputnick | hi there |
| 22:17.27 | jelly-home | evilgeek: no, I want it to look op network traffic, and configure the interface appropriately. |
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| 22:17.42 | evilgeek | 'look up network traffic'? |
| 22:17.50 | ixion_uk | lol |
| 22:18.06 | sputnick | is someone can help me to build my nvidia module ? I try "module-assistant auto-install nvidia" & have the following : http://rafb.net/p/Gve9LZ78.html |
| 22:18.08 | simonrvn | jelly-home: sounds like you want to write something ;) |
| 22:18.09 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: far easier to just say nameserver foo; instead |
| 22:18.11 | evilgeek | 'look op network traffic' rather? |
| 22:18.39 | peppet | jelly-home: and what of these 10 packages is your choice? |
| 22:18.39 | jelly-home | evilgeek: hm, look at it |
| 22:18.43 | evilgeek | dondelelcaro: but that's not he wants. "nameserver 4.2.2.2" is shorter by at least one character. |
| 22:18.55 | jelly-home | peppet: the 3-4 I looked at sucked |
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| 22:19.13 | dwon | jelly-home: define "sucked" |
| 22:19.14 | mmlj4 | how do I set my domain? |
| 22:19.30 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: so? |
| 22:19.40 | jelly-home | peppet: if I had a choice I'd use it. Instead, I have symlinks for different interfaces files |
| 22:19.41 | evilgeek | dondelelcaro: so it doesn't do what he wants =) |
| 22:20.00 | jelly-home | dwon: took more time to configure and work than resolvconf |
| 22:20.14 | sputnick | I'm running lenny 2.6.21-2-686 |
| 22:20.35 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: what he's talking about is being able to run ifup fooiface; or similar and have the network come up automatically. |
| 22:20.36 | evilgeek | dondelelcaro: my major complaint about resolvconf is that it solves a trivial problem and it does it badly. nobody should distribute code that solves trivial problems badly. and certainly nobody should make a debian package out of it. |
| 22:20.54 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: you seem to be oeprating under the misimpression that it's a trivial problem. |
| 22:20.55 | jelly-home | evilgeek: IME it's not trivial |
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| 22:21.16 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: your particular instance may be, but you're probably only running with a single interface in a static configuration. |
| 22:21.22 | dwon | evilgeek: resolvconf doesn't stomp your configuration. It copies it to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/original |
| 22:21.25 | evilgeek | dondelelcaro: it *is* a trivial problem. at worst you have an 'up' line in your /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 22:21.44 | evilgeek | dwon: and then it stomps on /etc/resolv.conf, which is the only file that matters. |
| 22:21.52 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: a real solution has to integrate with /etc/network/interfaces, the dhcp client scripts, ppp, openvpn, libc, et al. |
| 22:22.02 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: all it does is make it a symlink to a copy of the original file. |
| 22:22.11 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: or not, if you've told it not to. |
| 22:22.47 | dondelelcaro | (and unless an interface defines a nameserver, it won't muck with it, either) |
| 22:23.04 | evilgeek | dondelelcaro: i disagree. resolvconf stomps on a single file when you type 'ifup foo' and again when you type 'ifdown foo.' this is a trivial problem solved by the 'up' and 'down' lines. |
| 22:23.24 | jelly-home | in any case, seems pointless to debate the issue that is not going to be solved or advanced by a patch, replacement, or even a bug report |
| 22:23.32 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: how do you plan to handle interface precedence with up or down lines? |
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| 22:23.39 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: or do you only plan on allowing a single interface? |
| 22:23.53 | evilgeek | dondelelcaro: it requires more user configuration than 'resolvconf', but that is not a bad thing. |
| 22:24.03 | evilgeek | dondelelcaro: i do not plan on allowing only a single interface. |
| 22:24.19 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: then how do you plan on supporting multiple ones? |
| 22:24.21 | evilgeek | dondelelcaro: however, i have no idea what this interface precedence is that you speak of. |
| 22:24.47 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: there's a limit to the number of nameservers that you can have. You have different nameservers for different networks, some of which you prefer over others. |
| 22:24.49 | evilgeek | dondelelcaro: i don't see the value in presenting a general solution to this problem. |
| 22:25.18 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: that's great; you can ignore that resolvconf exists and install an equivs package for it so you never ever see it. |
| 22:25.35 | evilgeek | dondelelcaro: that's actually the first thing i do when i install a new debian machine. |
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| 22:25.44 | dondelelcaro | so why complain here then? |
| 22:25.49 | ProN00b | yay, i think my debian install is finally finished |
| 22:26.13 | dondelelcaro | does the mere existance of a package which solves a problem in a way which a lot of us find optimal offend you? |
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| 22:26.17 | ixion_uk | anyone know if when vmware tools is installed properly the mouse will transition between the virtual machine and the host without having to press ctrl+alt ?? |
| 22:26.20 | themill | evilgeek: I regularly work with 7 or 8 different networks and also have to use vpns etc over them. Without resolvconf it was a nightmare. Once I dropped resolvconf in, it just all worked. Makes me happy ;) |
| 22:26.27 | evilgeek | dondelelcaro: because i'm philosophically opposed to people distributing their own broken solutions to trivial problems and claiming there is some overarching generality to them. |
| 22:27.04 | themill | evilgeek: no, you're keen to claim that other people's very elegant solutions are broken. I'd claim there's a difference.... |
| 22:27.06 | evilgeek | dondelelcaro: it leads to a lot of unnecessary complexity. |
| 22:27.25 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: again, you seem to be claiming that the problem is trivial. It's not. Furthermore, since you're not actually using resolvconf, and when you were, you weren't using it correctly, your philospohical oposition is rather cute, really. |
| 22:27.29 | ProN00b | ixion_uk, as far as i know that capability comes with the install of the vmware tools in the guest os |
| 22:27.38 | Hammar | apologies... i forgot to bookmark the site that tells me how to find out which packet a specific file belongs to... so can anyone tell me the apropriate apt-command? |
| 22:27.50 | ixion_uk | guest... |
| 22:27.51 | dwon | evilgeek: what do you suggest for anyone who has a laptop with both a LAN and a WLAN connection, then? "configure it manually" isn't a solution. |
| 22:27.51 | jelly-home | evilgeek: the complexity looks necessary for me and my usage of static or dhcp ethernet, ppp, and vpn. |
| 22:27.53 | evilgeek | dondelelcaro: my philosophical opposition is not just to resolvconf. |
| 22:27.57 | dondelelcaro | Hammar: dpkg -S if it's installed, apt-file search if not, packages.debian.org otherwise. |
| 22:28.08 | dondelelcaro | Hammar: dlocate will also do it |
| 22:28.10 | evilgeek | dwon: write a three-line shell script to configure it. |
| 22:28.14 | ProN00b | ixion_uk, ? |
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| 22:28.33 | Hammar | dondelelcaro: thanks! |
| 22:28.40 | dwon | evilgeek: resolvconf is that shell script. I fail to see the problem. |
| 22:28.41 | ixion_uk | ProN00b: the gues already has vmware workstation installed, I dont see how I could also install vmware tools on it ? |
| 22:28.46 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: far easy to just install resolvconf and add two nameserver lines to /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:28.55 | DustyBin | i cannot write to my NFS disk over the network, this is my fstab: |
| 22:28.57 | DustyBin | /dev/sda2 /mnt/audiostore ext3 users,rw,owner 0 0 |
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| 22:29.06 | ixion_uk | guest* |
| 22:29.14 | evilgeek | dwon: it's another piece of random added complexity. |
| 22:29.16 | ProN00b | ixion_uk, the guest has vmware workstation installed ? you trying to make a tunnel of vm's or something ? |
| 22:29.25 | dondelelcaro | s/nameserver/dns-nameserver/ |
| 22:29.29 | jelly-home | DustyBin: is the disk writable to your nfs user ("nobody" by default)? |
| 22:29.29 | themill | evilgeek: wtf? why should everyone write their own three line shell scripts that don't handle corner cases and aren't well supported by all the ppp, vpn, wlan, dhcp etc things out there rather than just use one robust and well tested solution....? |
| 22:29.32 | evilgeek | (i hate udev, too. it solves something that isn't a problem by breaking almost everything. and i hate udev far more than resolvconf.) |
| 22:29.34 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: and a custom script which is different on every machine isn't? |
| 22:29.46 | dwon | evilgeek: resolvconf is less likely to break something than some random user-written script. |
| 22:29.53 | DustyBin | jelly-home: i havent a clue |
| 22:30.11 | evilgeek | dondelelcaro: it's not, no. it's not another hurdle before learning why the hell your system can't resolve www.google.com. |
| 22:30.13 | ProN00b | ixion_uk, vmware workstation is usually installed on the host os and is running the guest |
| 22:30.18 | jelly-home | DustyBin: it needs to be. |
| 22:30.24 | ixion_uk | ProN00b: sorry getting mixed up :P .... so you think when the guest has vmware tools installed the mouse should transition.. I installed vmware mouse driver that I found on synaptic/apt but I cant transition between them without ctrl+alt |
| 22:30.29 | dwon | evilgeek: Why don't you just have everyone write their own rcS script, and do away with init.d, too? init.d is a *broken* pile of added complexity. |
| 22:30.56 | dwon | evilgeek: Or I suppose you'd do away with initrd images, too, in favour of everyone compiling in the drivers they need for their rootfs. |
| 22:31.02 | ProN00b | ixion_uk, then that is not enough, you need vmware tools installed in the os that is running inside the vmware |
| 22:31.12 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: if you can't figure out how to fix resolvconf, you should have installed your system using the installer, which (surprise, surprise) configures /etc/network/interfaces so that it works seamlessly with resolvconf |
| 22:31.12 | evilgeek | dwon: i agree. but it solves a nontrivial problem --- how do you boot a linux system in almost all cases? |
| 22:31.16 | ixion_uk | ProN00b: ok have you succesfully done this with debian ? |
| 22:31.21 | ixion_uk | ProN00b: as the guest... |
| 22:31.32 | ProN00b | ixion_uk, please note, guest=os running inside vmware |
| 22:31.47 | evilgeek | dondelelcaro: my first experience with resolvconf was upgrading a woody system to sarge. |
| 22:31.48 | ixion_uk | yup |
| 22:31.54 | ProN00b | ixion_uk, no, i have only done it with windows 2000 as a guest so far |
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| 22:32.03 | ixion_uk | ProN00b yeah me too |
| 22:32.10 | dwon | I've *never* seen resolvconf break an existing installation, anyway. It copies your /etc/resolv.conf to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/original, and sticks that in the resolv.conf it generates anyway |
| 22:32.27 | ProN00b | well, why should there be any difference with debian ß |
| 22:32.28 | ProN00b | ? |
| 22:32.34 | evilgeek | dwon: that's the only thing i've seen it do =) |
| 22:32.38 | ixion_uk | ProN00b dunno, just never got it to work |
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| 22:32.47 | evilgeek | anyway, i'm quite sick of talking about resolvconf. |
| 22:32.48 | ixion_uk | ProN00b ill try install vmwaretools from source |
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| 22:32.52 | jelly-home | dwon: it broke stuff for me when I started using it _in unstable, a long time ago ;-)_ |
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| 22:33.18 | evilgeek | it's clear that there is a difference of opinion and both sides are sufficiently convinced of their own correctness that no progress can possibly be made by continuing. |
| 22:35.01 | \amethyst | tech-ctte! |
| 22:35.05 | \amethyst | err, maybe not |
| 22:35.15 | simonrvn | jelly-home: same here |
| 22:35.22 | jelly-home | \amethyst: er, the guy doesn't even care enough to file a bug |
| 22:36.18 | jelly-home | DustyBin: when you mount the nfs filesystem on the client, is it mounted with rw option? |
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| 22:38.01 | \amethyst | DustyBin: what does the exports entry look like? |
| 22:38.05 | zimnyx | I have new laptop in my work, and in place of Ctrl i got fucked up Fn. It's not possible to switch it and now I have problems pressing Ctr-Shift-c / Ctr-Shitf-v as copy & paste in gnome-terminal. Do you know if I can make gnome-terminal use diffrent "magic" key instead of Shift ? |
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| 22:38.29 | dwon | jelly-home: did you try guessnet ? (I haven't; I'm just looking at the package descriptions) |
| 22:38.30 | ProN00b | evilgeek, you need to resort to violence then |
| 22:38.45 | jelly-home | dwon: yes, methinks |
| 22:38.57 | zimnyx | I'm considering using usb keyboard, counse this Fn in place of Ctrl is nightmare.. |
| 22:39.02 | \amethyst | zimnyx: the fn key very often works before the kernel sees the keys |
| 22:39.13 | dwon | jelly-home: ifplugd |
| 22:39.16 | jelly-home | ProN00b: wot? |
| 22:39.37 | \amethyst | zimnyx: so likely not, unless maybe there's some way to remap it specific to your laptop |
| 22:39.39 | ProN00b | jelly-home, scroll up to what he last said |
| 22:39.45 | themill | dwon: I used to use guessnet + ifplugd + wired/wpa_supplicant.... replaced the whole lot by networkmanager now. |
| 22:39.46 | zimnyx | \amethyst: yeah, it;s hardware key, xev show nothing when i press it. |
| 22:40.02 | jelly-home | ProN00b: <evilgeek> it's clear that there is a difference of opinion and both sides are sufficiently convinced of their own correctness that no progress can possibly be made by continuing. |
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| 22:40.22 | ProN00b | jelly-home, yeah |
| 22:40.24 | dwon | jelly-home: right! network-manager. that's the one! (thanks themill) |
| 22:40.28 | sparr | can ssh be made to handle disconnections more gracefully than locking up for 10 minutes? |
| 22:40.30 | jelly-home | ProN00b: what violence? |
| 22:40.36 | \amethyst | zimnyx: it might be something that's theoretically reprogrammable in firmware, but making that work would be one mean feat |
| 22:40.42 | ProN00b | jelly-home, violence is the solution to his problem |
| 22:40.47 | jelly-home | dwon: oh, the GUI stuff? :-| |
| 22:40.56 | dwon | jelly-home: I think it doesn't require GUI stuff |
| 22:41.06 | themill | sparr: you can kill the connection with Enter ~ . |
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| 22:41.34 | \amethyst | sparr: is something running in the background? |
| 22:41.37 | zimnyx | \amethyst: I can't imagine why IBM puts this Fn in place of Ctrl... It's non ergonomic |
| 22:41.39 | sparr | \amethyst: of what? |
| 22:41.42 | jelly-home | dwon: I'm allergic to camel case, and the daemon is called NetworkManager :-> |
| 22:41.53 | \amethyst | sparr: of the session that won't close |
| 22:42.03 | \amethyst | sparr: a forwarded X connection or anything like that? |
| 22:42.05 | dwon | jelly-home: you could mount / on a vfat filesystem, then call it "networkmanager" |
| 22:42.05 | themill | jelly-home: but the package is called network-manager... go figure |
| 22:42.14 | sparr | \amethyst: no, nothing was. |
| 22:42.23 | sparr | the-me: a) wow. b) thanks. c) wtf? |
| 22:42.26 | dwon | jelly-home: but wh^H^Hif it breaks, I didn't tell you that |
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| 22:42.38 | jelly-home | themill: I think uppercase is disallowed :-) |
| 22:42.54 | themill | jelly-home: it is in package names... but why the hyphen? |
| 22:43.08 | ixion_uk | ProN00b: once installed from source vmware tools works perfectly |
| 22:43.10 | themill | sparr: umm ? |
| 22:43.25 | ProN00b | ixion_uk, cool |
| 22:43.27 | \amethyst | sparr: also ~^Z will put ssh in the background |
| 22:43.37 | jelly-home | themill: thanks, now I won't be able to sleep tonight. |
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| 22:43.38 | creature | How can I tell whether or not I use an initramfs? |
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| 22:43.49 | \amethyst | sparr: err, suspend it rather, you can do bg then to put it in the background |
| 22:43.50 | themill | jelly-home: ha ha! |
| 22:43.58 | davis | somebody explain to me how to use apache2 with this new subdir under /var/www. |
| 22:44.06 | dwon | creature: delete all files on your computer names *initrd.img*, and see if your machine still boots? ;) |
| 22:44.14 | davis | how do we access stuff in /var/www now? |
| 22:44.15 | MrDomino | huh. is it just me or does pam-mount not like passwordless accounts? |
| 22:44.30 | sparr | davis: you edit your httpd.conf to make that an accessible site. |
| 22:44.44 | \amethyst | sparr: when it's sitting there after logout, type ~# ... does it show anything? |
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| 22:45.06 | creature | dwon: Maybe something a bit less... destructive? |
| 22:45.10 | davis | sparr: hmm. add an alias there? |
| 22:45.19 | themill | davis: a2dissite 000-default |
| 22:45.22 | davis | alias / "/var/www" |
| 22:45.33 | dwon | creature: well, kernel packages look in /etc/kernel-img.conf to see what they should run when it's installed |
| 22:45.42 | jelly-home | evilgeek: TBH, #414692 fits your experience with it perfectly, so it's not just you |
| 22:45.46 | themill | davis: then create a new site in /etc/apache2/sites-available and then a2ensite your-site-name |
| 22:45.51 | dwon | creature: or you could check your bootloader configuration (/boot/grub/menu.lst or lilo.conf) and see if one's being loaded |
| 22:46.08 | davis | maybe I should ask a simpler question. |
| 22:46.19 | davis | i used to have bugzilla working. |
| 22:46.30 | davis | by default it installed in /var/www |
| 22:46.52 | davis | now, it seems to be weirded out so that I can not use it. |
| 22:47.00 | creature | dwon: OK, I'll have a look at those. |
| 22:47.00 | themill | davis: there is a rewrite in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default that you have to remove to get it to work. |
| 22:47.06 | \amethyst | creature: cat /proc/cmdline might tell you, too |
| 22:47.45 | davis | ok let me try that. |
| 22:48.22 | ixion_uk | I used to understand alias's in httpd.conf... what I dont understand is this sites-enabled stuff |
| 22:48.29 | themill | davis: the "correct" way to do it would be to make a new site and use the a2dissite/a2ensite commands so that the default one remains untouched |
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| 22:49.01 | davis | nope it did not work. |
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| 22:49.08 | themill | ixion_uk: it's fantastic.... otherwise you have to resync your changes to the apache conf files every time either upstream or the maintainer rearranges the sections in them |
| 22:49.09 | davis | the me try the correct way. |
| 22:49.36 | davis | fwiw, this server only serves "one site" |
| 22:49.42 | davis | i am not doing virtual hosting. |
| 22:49.45 | themill | davis: of course, you have to restart apache every time you change the config files |
| 22:49.54 | davis | right i did that. |
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| 22:50.12 | \amethyst | you don't usually have to restart, just reload |
| 22:50.12 | davis | then when I went to the main page, it pulled up the mediawiki installed. |
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| 22:50.28 | davis | even though /var/www/ does not contain an index.html now. |
| 22:51.41 | davis | my god, its gotten weird. |
| 22:52.02 | themill | \amethyst: true.... I was monkeying around with ssl keys the other night and I had in my notes for that that you had to restart not reload to get it to pick up the new keys... so I've now got restart on my brain... but I first wrote those notes for 1.3.mumble so that might not even be true any more! |
| 22:52.24 | davis | i try to login to bugzilla and it does http://foo.com/cgi-bin/bugzilla/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi which fails. |
| 22:52.42 | themill | davis: that looks like a pretty fscked url |
| 22:52.48 | davis | yes |
| 22:53.06 | davis | putting http://www.foo.com/apache-default/ is pretty weird as well. |
| 22:54.00 | davis | so, do i need to use a2sites if I dont do virtual hosting? |
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| 22:55.14 | themill | davis: you can ignore all of the current config and just put everything in apache2.conf if you want, it's just harder to maintain in the long run. The a2en/dis things are just about making life easier for anyone not just virtual hosts |
| 22:55.24 | freenot | dondelelcaro: you said the use of initrd "depends" ... depends on what? |
| 22:55.28 | deboch | hi all |
| 22:55.44 | davis | ok. |
| 22:55.58 | davis | themill: i will do as you suggest then |
| 22:56.12 | davis | themill: I only want my bugzilla to work again. it was in /var/www |
| 22:56.12 | deboch | hi all |
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| 22:56.22 | freenot | deboch: hi |
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| 22:56.43 | deboch | what is the command to set the dns adress of an interface ? in the shell ! |
| 22:56.43 | davis | how do I get /var/www/bugzilla to be visible as http://foo.com/bugzilla via new config way? |
| 22:56.46 | deboch | thanks |
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| 22:57.25 | ixion_uk | anyone know of something that will give me a web interface to my music where I can manage play lists, albums etc and stream? so I can listen to my tunes at work, friends house etc? |
| 22:57.38 | ixion_uk | based on sql perferably so it builds album lists quickly |
| 22:57.57 | themill | davis: cd /etc/apache2/sites-available; cp default myshinysite; vim !$ # and remove the rewrite rules in there |
| 22:58.22 | themill | davis: then a2dissite 000-default; a2ensite myshinysite; invoke-rc.d apache2 reload |
| 22:58.37 | creature | When rsync copies symlinks as symlinks, does it 'rewrite' them? To point to a freshly-copied file? |
| 22:58.39 | \amethyst | ixion_uk: gnump3d maybe ? |
| 22:58.48 | ixion_uk | ill check it out |
| 22:58.51 | deboch | what is the command to set the dns adress of an interface ? in the shell ! |
| 22:59.09 | \amethyst | ixion_uk: mserv is another |
| 22:59.22 | themill | davis: if mediawiki is coming up, then it might be that you have a config snippet from mediawiki in /etc/apache2/conf.d |
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| 23:00.02 | davis | themill: many thanks. |
| 23:00.08 | themill | davis: I have no idea how mediawiki configures itself under debian.... you'll have to work that out yourself. (check /usr/share/doc/mediawiki*/*) |
| 23:00.18 | davis | http://www.foo.com/bugzilla now comes up. |
| 23:00.27 | themill | excellent |
| 23:00.40 | davis | but it still has this weird cgi rewrite thing. i'll tyr to ge tthat working. |
| 23:00.52 | davis | thanks for showing me how to add sites. |
| 23:01.20 | themill | davis: no problem ;) is this a debian bugzilla package? |
| 23:01.42 | davis | yes |
| 23:02.02 | davis | the debian bugzilla package fscked up when i did a dist-upgrade. |
| 23:02.18 | davis | i have the mysql stuff working for it now. |
| 23:02.23 | themill | sarge->etch? or are you playing with lenny? |
| 23:02.26 | davis | the bug reports helped there. |
| 23:03.17 | themill | I take it you've looked at /usr/share/doc/bugzilla/README.Debian... many packages tell you the "debian" way of configuring them in there. |
| 23:03.19 | davis | why did you disable the 000-default site? |
| 23:03.35 | DustyDingo | can someone please verify this key? http://phpfi.com/256498 |
| 23:03.53 | davis | i could have two sites, right? |
| 23:04.05 | davis | http://www.foo.com/ goes to the default |
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| 23:04.16 | themill | davis: if you don't then that rewrite would still be active even once you've made the changes in the other site. |
| 23:04.27 | davis | and http://www.foo.com/bugzilla goes to the /var/www.... |
| 23:04.30 | davis | hmm. |
| 23:04.36 | themill | the 000-default site has VirtualHost * in it |
| 23:04.43 | jelly-home | !mia |
| 23:04.43 | dpkg | i heard mia is missing in action. status of missing unknown. as opposed to KIA, POW, or AWOL. |
| 23:04.53 | jelly-home | meh |
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| 23:05.58 | themill | davis: if you want shiny site to be on another domain name (say bugs.example.com) then you need to change the VitualHost bits of its config file to match it. |
| 23:06.14 | ixion_uk | !pow |
| 23:06.14 | dpkg | it has been said that pow is is is is |
| 23:06.18 | ixion_uk | right |
| 23:06.28 | themill | davis: it was easier to tell you to make a new wildcard virtualhost than to properly set up name based virtual hosting ;) |
| 23:06.50 | themill | davis: and to do that you've got to disable the default wildcard one. |
| 23:06.56 | simonrvn | !no pow is <reply>prisoner of war |
| 23:06.56 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
| 23:07.02 | davis | hmm. |
| 23:08.00 | simonrvn | me i just modded the 000-default one ;) |
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| 23:08.44 | themill | yeah... I like leaving config files in the packages as they are :) esp with the a2en/dis mech in place. |
| 23:08.56 | \amethyst | !pow is also the C-library function for exponentiation of doubles (see also friends {c,}pow{f,l,}) |
| 23:08.56 | dpkg | \amethyst: okay |
| 23:09.14 | davis | themill: your point about /usr/share/doc/bugzilla looks prommising. |
| 23:09.36 | themill | simonrvn: it's one less file that I will ever have to Y/N/I/D etc the next time the package is bumped... |
| 23:09.37 | davis | it talks about modifying the apache config files |
| 23:09.38 | simonrvn | !pow |
| 23:09.38 | dpkg | prisoner of war, or the C-library function for exponentiation of doubles (see also friends {c,}pow{f,l,}) |
| 23:10.07 | simonrvn | themill: yeh, i thought that after i did it, the next time it had been updated (apache2) |
| 23:10.18 | themill | :) |
| 23:10.29 | jelly-home | now if someone would be so kind to adapt "mia" to some Debian-relevant info |
| 23:10.50 | simonrvn | !pow =~ s/, or /; is also/ |
| 23:10.50 | dpkg | OK, simonrvn |
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| 23:11.45 | \amethyst | ~pow =~ s/alsothe/also the/ |
| 23:11.45 | apt | \amethyst: that doesn't contain 'alsothe' |
| 23:12.00 | simonrvn | aptc search turns up a bunch of "maxima*" stuff |
| 23:12.01 | davis | do you know where the RewriteEngine On is in the config files? or where it should go? grep -i /etc/apache2 does not show it being commented out anywhere. |
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| 23:12.17 | \amethyst | !pow =~ s/alsothe/also the/ |
| 23:12.17 | dpkg | OK, \amethyst |
| 23:12.30 | themill | davis: anything modifications that the bugzilla docs require should be do-able in your new site file. |
| 23:12.39 | simonrvn | it needed it? |
| 23:12.43 | simonrvn | i guess |
| 23:12.50 | \amethyst | simonrvn: yeah, you replaced the space after or |
| 23:13.12 | simonrvn | shoot, i did didn't i, accident. thanks :) |
| 23:13.13 | themill | davis: it should be off by default. |
| 23:13.22 | davis | hmm. |
| 23:13.34 | themill | davis: take a look at your conf.d |
| 23:14.14 | themill | grep -i -r RewriteEngine /etc/apache2 |
| 23:14.19 | davis | i have charset, and three mediawiki linkx in conf.d |
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| 23:15.13 | lil_cain | is there a way to tell what files were installed with a package? |
| 23:15.17 | davis | mods-available has loadmodule for it. |
| 23:15.32 | themill | davis: and mods-enabled should too ;) |
| 23:15.34 | simonrvn | a2enmod |
| 23:15.41 | simonrvn | a2dismod |
| 23:16.15 | themill | davis: hang on... are you trying to load the module or turn RewriteEngine On in a particular dir? |
| 23:16.23 | lordrich | lil_cain: the packages website can do it |
| 23:16.30 | lordrich | eg. http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=postfix&version=unstable&arch=i386 |
| 23:16.38 | davis | themill, i am trying to get a clue. your patience is astounding. |
| 23:16.46 | davis | i am just trying to get bugzilla working. |
| 23:17.03 | themill | lil_cain: or dpkg -L resolvconf |
| 23:17.13 | themill | lil_cain: or dpkg -L packagename |
| 23:17.20 | davis | in /usr/share/docs/bugzilla/readme.debian it says to turn on Rewrite engine and and some commands. |
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| 23:17.42 | davis | it just says they should be "in your apache config file:" |
| 23:17.47 | davis | it does not say which one. |
| 23:17.52 | lil_cain | themill: cool, thanks |
| 23:18.03 | jelly-home | davis: put it in the virtualhost specification, then |
| 23:18.10 | themill | davis: is that just for a particular directory? |
| 23:18.42 | themill | davis: and to make sure mod_rewrite is turned on, a2enmod rewrite |
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| 23:19.11 | davis | ok, yes, i notieced that in mods-enabled, it was not there. |
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| 23:19.38 | davis | so, in my sites-available/bugzilla file, i add the commands there? |
| 23:19.52 | davis | right after DocumentRoot command? |
| 23:20.16 | themill | davis: yep, that should work fine. Unless it is supposed to be within a <location> or <directory> section |
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| 23:20.26 | davis | hmm. |
| 23:20.35 | themill | in which case it still goes in the same place, but with those sections around it |
| 23:20.46 | themill | is there a way of looking at the contents of a package (I'm thinking /usr/share/doc/README.Debian, in particular here) for a package without downloading or installing it? |
| 23:20.52 | davis | it says to rewrite cgi-bin but there is a cgi-bin script alias setup. |
| 23:20.56 | sooth | Can someone familiar with debarchiver tell me why I keep getting this in my syslog? "Error: Update Release file in main/binary-i386" |
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| 23:21.44 | themill | davis: if you're not going to do anything else cgi-bin with this virtual host, then just delete that alias and substitute the one you want. |
| 23:22.09 | themill | davis: there's a reason why most (all?) bugzillas tend to be on their own virtual host.... |
| 23:22.52 | davis | hmm. should this be bugzilla.foo.com then? |
| 23:24.04 | infernix | does the single etch DVD1 support both x86_64/amd64 as well as i386 installations |
| 23:24.14 | davis | brb |
| 23:24.14 | themill | davis: it's probably worth considering... but you should be able to get it to work this way too. I don't know which will be harder, setting up named virtual hosting and the dns entries or getting it to work for you as you are ;) |
| 23:24.24 | Miles_Prower | I was highlighted? Who? |
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| 23:26.07 | infernix | oh doh. amd64 in the image name |
| 23:26.33 | infernix | sleep deprivation >.< |
| 23:26.54 | savetheWorld | sleep aggrivation... |
| 23:27.05 | savetheWorld | e |
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| 23:27.32 | simonrvn | aggravation |
| 23:28.00 | savetheWorld | that two. |
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| 23:28.16 | simonrvn | 'too' |
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| 23:29.31 | cafuego | i think the perms on my /dev/pedantic somehow got corrupted |
| 23:29.47 | themill | it's still read-only isn't it? |
| 23:29.52 | freenot | if i have a new kernel and want to make an initrd for it, us mkinitrd the best way to go? |
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| 23:30.25 | Freak | If there're users that run exim here, what user do you use to run it with? the exim_user ? |
| 23:30.31 | simonrvn | cafuego: yeh yeh ;p |
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| 23:31.18 | simonrvn | Freak: Debian-exim, root, every user that gets mail, depending on context ;) |
| 23:31.37 | ixion_uk | can someone remind me.. to access a windows share.. I install smbclient and then I mount it into a mount point ? |
| 23:31.45 | ixion_uk | and if I want it always there I edit fstab ? |
| 23:32.06 | ixion_uk | using some complicated syntax |
| 23:32.08 | Freak | well, the problem I encounter, is that the packaged debian (stable repository) is not allowed to send emails out with user root. But when I use a different user than root, I get all kinds of different errors... |
| 23:32.56 | simonrvn | it's not supposed to deliver to root. never_users is set to root, even built in |
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| 23:33.56 | Freak | I know. but when I forward an email of someuser@domain.tld to otheruser@otherdomain.tld, I get an error. That user id 0 is not allowed |
| 23:34.58 | simonrvn | then you're not really forwarding to another user, it's just root disguised as another user... |
| 23:35.05 | themill | !what are we going to do tonight |
| 23:35.05 | dpkg | themill: Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world. |
| 23:35.18 | themill | no, dpkg, I'm going to sleep.... |
| 23:35.25 | themill | night all! |
| 23:35.30 | simonrvn | g'night themill |
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| 23:36.44 | Freak | simonrvn I am just forwarding to an external domain that's not hosted with me/ on that server |
| 23:37.20 | Freak | I get the same error when authenticated users try to send an email to another host |
| 23:37.46 | simonrvn | ok, then it's something else... run it in debug mode, see what happens |
| 23:38.46 | simonrvn | there's also #exim, lots of debian users in there too |
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| 23:39.36 | ixion_uk | mmm, anyone seen this before: smbfs: mount_data version 1919251317 is not supported |
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| 23:40.10 | cafuego | ixion_uk: Yes, install `smbfs' |
| 23:40.30 | ixion_uk | I install smbclient ? |
| 23:40.32 | ixion_uk | installed |
| 23:40.40 | cafuego | No, install `smbfs' |
| 23:40.47 | ixion_uk | k, kewl |
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| 23:40.59 | ixion_uk | sweet, thanks |
| 23:41.59 | ixion_uk | cafuego: you mind telling me the syntax I need in fstab for a samba share? |
| 23:42.39 | ixion_uk | a |
| 23:42.41 | ixion_uk | oops |
| 23:42.42 | cafuego | //server/share /mnt/point smbfs options 0 0 |
| 23:42.58 | ixion_uk | ok and options is where username=,password= goes |
| 23:43.16 | freenot | what is the debian equiv of ~/.xinitrc? |
| 23:43.22 | phogg | ixion_uk: I do not recommend inserting a password in fstab. It is world readable |
| 23:43.24 | cafuego | that should do it, options can incluse user/pass, but you're bettr off putting those in a file of mode 600 and using credentials=/path/to/file |
| 23:43.32 | MrDomino | freenot: ~/.xinitrc |
| 23:43.49 | freenot | MrDomino: haha, whoops |
| 23:43.52 | phogg | freenot: xinitrc is an X11 thing. Everyone has it. |
| 23:43.54 | ixion_uk | phogg its a little private network |
| 23:43.59 | cafuego | freenot: We've all long been using ~/.xsession though |
| 23:44.06 | ixion_uk | but thanks for warning |
| 23:44.20 | freenot | cafuego: thank you, as always, a pleasure |
| 23:44.52 | ProN00b | somehow my install is frozen at 'Running "grub-install (hd0)"...' can i somehow restart that part of the install ? |
| 23:45.00 | dondelelcaro | freenot: the use of an initd depends on whether you've got built into your kernel everything necessary to boot to a state where you can mount the root filesystem. |
| 23:45.08 | dondelelcaro | freenot: if yes, you don't need one. If no, you do. |
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| 23:45.31 | freenot | how do i temporarily disable the desktop? i want to boot directly into console mode |
| 23:45.43 | freenot | dondelelcaro: thanks, battling this Xen kernel on booting |
| 23:46.03 | dondelelcaro | !nodm |
| 23:46.03 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 23:46.20 | ixion_uk | ... //10.0.0.11/music /mnt/music smbfs userid=USER,password=PASS,r 0 0 |
| 23:46.31 | dondelelcaro | if something is broken with the DM, you can also boot into single user mode |
| 23:46.36 | ixion_uk | oh dmes told me |
| 23:46.39 | ixion_uk | dmesg |
| 23:46.46 | ixion_uk | sorry.. asking before thinking :P |
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| 23:47.20 | scrip | can someone here help me decrypt the dovecot pop3 servers cryptic error messages? |
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| 23:47.35 | dondelelcaro | scrip: if you paste them using a paste site, perhaps. |
| 23:48.21 | freenot | dondelelcaro: ta, i know about ctrl-alt-f1, since i will rebooting for testing, thought straight to console would be faster, thanks |
| 23:48.34 | scrip | where is a paste site? |
| 23:48.45 | freenot | google pastie |
| 23:49.06 | freenot | and don't pick the top result |
| 23:49.25 | sooth | pastebin.ca |
| 23:49.26 | ixion_uk | VMware hgfs: HGFS is disabled in the host --- wtf ? |
| 23:50.10 | scrip | http://mishu.eu.org/paste/view.php?id=3619 |
| 23:50.12 | scrip | thats the dovecot log |
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| 23:52.12 | scrip | I'm trying to use postfixadmin to configure this mail server, and I can't get dovecot to read from the mysql database correctly |
| 23:52.29 | dondelelcaro | scrip: that looks like you don't have the correct permissions on the mysql.conf and/or you have the auth configured incorrectly. |
| 23:52.39 | dondelelcaro | scrip: the configuration file will be useful too. |
| 23:52.52 | scrip | right, but the server runs as root and the file is chmod 600 |
| 23:52.58 | dondelelcaro | execv(/etc/dovecot/mysql.conf) <-- this is just wrong. |
| 23:53.09 | scrip | why is that wrong? thats the config file I'm usin |
| 23:53.33 | dondelelcaro | scrip: you're exec'ing it, which isn't going to work. |
| 23:53.43 | scrip | yeah, thats seemed strange |
| 23:54.13 | ixion_uk | if ive mounted a smfs share... how would I give www-data access to it ?? |
| 23:54.28 | ixion_uk | do I go and give www-data permissions on the mount point ? |
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| 23:55.01 | dondelelcaro | scrip: if you show us the dovecot.conf we'll probably be able to find the problem. |
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| 23:56.07 | scrip | right, ok, I just checked the config, and I was doing something really dumb |
| 23:56.15 | scrip | but now I'm back to the other error I was stuck on earlier |
| 23:57.22 | scrip | it says that ok, now it says "Unknown password scheme CRYPT-MD5" |
| 23:57.28 | scrip | which is where I was stuck before |
| 23:57.36 | scrip | is there some other library I need for this to work? |
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| 23:58.57 | cafuego | ixion_uk: check the 'uid' option in man mount. |
| 23:59.13 | scrip | also, random question, does anyone know of a CLI utility that reads from STDIN and saves the data to the gnome clipboard? it would be really useful |
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| 23:59.36 | iwkse | hi, since yesterday my laptop cdrom (scsi) don't work more. It's seen by the kernel but the device isn't created. Any hints? |
