| 00:00.08 | xored | if i start slapd int he console, the server works, if i use the init.d script, it does not start. any ideas |
| 00:00.31 | ixion_uk | cafuego thanks |
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| 00:03.19 | crb | hi, I was wondering how to enable CPU frequency scaling on my P4 northwood |
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| 00:04.07 | krazykit | crb, modprobe p4_clockmod, probably |
| 00:05.04 | ixion_uk | right, how do I get the UID of www-data? |
| 00:05.07 | ixion_uk | cat something no doubt |
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| 00:05.15 | ixion_uk | something /passwd |
| 00:05.43 | crb | thx krazykit |
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| 00:06.19 | ixion_uk | www-data:x:33:33:www-data:/var/www:/bin/sh |
| 00:06.24 | ixion_uk | is ww-data UID = 33 ?? |
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| 00:12.16 | Kartoffelsalat | i will reinstall my debian - my question: can i install it on a 5gb partition and export optional components to hda2/optional/? (or something like that) - or /usr to sda2-/linux/usr? |
| 00:12.20 | freenot | when grub fails, is there someway to stop it from auto-rebooting? i get to VFS errors, then it reboots |
| 00:12.57 | ProN00b | how do i boot this debian install using the debian cd ? grub is not installed |
| 00:13.17 | ixion_uk | eh? you stick the cd in and choose boot from cd |
| 00:13.28 | ixion_uk | Kartoffelsalat yes you can choose mount points during install |
| 00:13.41 | abrotman | ProN00b: stick it in the CD drive and turn on oyur computer |
| 00:13.58 | Kartoffelsalat | ixion_uk: oh, yes i forgott... |
| 00:14.06 | ProN00b | abrotman, yeah, i am on the cd |
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| 00:14.38 | ProN00b | wait, boot from cd ? |
| 00:14.39 | ProN00b | how ? |
| 00:14.45 | ixion_uk | u r kidding ? |
| 00:14.49 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:14.49 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:14.58 | ixion_uk | !r |
| 00:15.06 | dpkg | from memory, r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r" |
| 00:15.08 | ixion_uk | !fo |
| 00:15.08 | dpkg | somebody said fo was Faeroe Islands |
| 00:15.31 | ProN00b | ??? |
| 00:15.50 | ixion_uk | you but the cd in and tell your bios to boor from cd |
| 00:15.53 | ixion_uk | boot |
| 00:16.04 | ProN00b | done |
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| 00:16.13 | ixion_uk | or press escape/f2/f12 during boot one of them will initiate the boot menu |
| 00:16.35 | Kartoffelsalat | can i "export" all dirs? so i can say "this is basic debian" on sda1, to keep this drive als minmal as possible? what would be a "okay"-value for a minimal drive? (own 60GB, but i use it for dualboot, so currently my windows can read/write to EXT3, but i want a pure-linux ext3, a pure-windows ntfs and a mix ext3 (yes, with /usr and so on, i know about the risks ;-) runs fine, haven't had problems, which souldn't be repared by checkin |
| 00:16.35 | Kartoffelsalat | g drive throug debian start) |
| 00:16.41 | ProN00b | Press F1 for help, or ENTER to boot: |
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| 00:18.21 | ProN00b | ixion_uk, i don't have a bootloader installed, how do i get my debian to boot using the cd ? |
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| 00:18.48 | PumpkinPie | Ill show you a bootloader |
| 00:18.51 | abrotman | !ig |
| 00:18.51 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 00:18.55 | abrotman | ProN00b: ^^^^^^^^ |
| 00:19.25 | UhligH_ | hi hi |
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| 00:20.18 | Kartoffelsalat | hi |
| 00:20.56 | Kartoffelsalat | okay, other question: what sould be minimal used for debian + xorg + openbox (= less kb) + 100mb random? |
| 00:20.56 | freenot | this is my menu.lst, which fails, VFS not syncing => kernel /boot/xen-3.1.0.gz | module /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-xen root=/dev/sda2 ro |
| 00:21.40 | freenot | why would be not find /sda2 or the block device (hd0,0)? |
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| 00:22.12 | Growly|Work | !oci |
| 00:22.16 | freenot | why would it* not |
| 00:22.20 | Growly|Work | hello friends |
| 00:22.27 | freenot | hi |
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| 00:23.41 | Growly|Work | is there a convenient package for php-oci? |
| 00:23.46 | Growly|Work | as in oracle client? |
| 00:23.58 | abrotman | oh! |
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| 00:25.13 | epsilon | Growly|Work: looking for "apt-cache show php-db"? |
| 00:27.26 | simonrvn | odbc too |
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| 00:32.45 | d00gster | guys all of a sudden a directory of mine became read only. there was a program that ran and accessed this directory and now since it needs to write in it, it isn't running anymore |
| 00:32.59 | d00gster | how do I make the directory rw again? |
| 00:33.04 | yigal | how do i filter old maildir boxes through procmail, i am converting from mbox to maildir? |
| 00:33.08 | abrotman | d00gster: man chmod |
| 00:33.26 | d00gster | it has the right one |
| 00:33.58 | abrotman | so what's the issue ? |
| 00:34.03 | d00gster | chmod 777 video0/ |
| 00:34.03 | d00gster | chmod: changing permissions of `video0/': Read-only file system |
| 00:34.06 | yigal | old mboxes through procmail is easy and well documented, cat mbox | formail -s procmail but not maildir i know i am just overlooking something simple |
| 00:34.26 | d00gster | ls -al >> drwxr-xr-x 23 root root 4096 Aug 13 21:37 video0 |
| 00:34.36 | d00gster | and I'm running as root |
| 00:35.01 | d00gster | my fstab entry for the drive is /dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 0 |
| 00:35.14 | d00gster | why isn't allowing me to write in it? |
| 00:35.28 | abrotman | are you root ? |
| 00:35.33 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:35.33 | d00gster | yes |
| 00:36.20 | MrDomino | huh--I've been looking at libpam-mount; it doesn't seem to consider the case of no passwords at all. |
| 00:36.26 | abrotman | did / go 'ro' on error ? |
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| 00:36.38 | d00gster | possbily. |
| 00:36.48 | d00gster | how can I check my ext3? |
| 00:36.53 | abrotman | mount |
| 00:36.56 | d00gster | what's the tool to use? |
| 00:37.02 | MrDomino | would a "nullok" option make sense in that context, or would it be better to just assume that null means no password and go from there? |
| 00:37.10 | abrotman | or just try to touch /blah |
| 00:37.30 | d00gster | yeah |
| 00:37.45 | d00gster | it is an error .... looked at dmesg |
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| 00:38.04 | d00gster | ide: failed opcode was: unknown |
| 00:38.04 | d00gster | end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 28049487 |
| 00:38.12 | d00gster | EXT3-fs error (device hda1): ext3_get_inode_loc: unable to read inode block - inode=1753089, block=3506178 |
| 00:38.42 | abrotman | bye bye drive |
| 00:38.54 | d00gster | that's not fun.... is there a recovery mechanism? |
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| 00:39.34 | \amethyst | d00gster: you can use smartctl to get some more information on just what it going on exactly (package smartmontools) |
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| 00:40.05 | abrotman | d00gster: get a full backup of your data ASAP |
| 00:40.13 | d00gster | yeah |
| 00:40.33 | d00gster | with drive done in ro there is not way I can build a package right now |
| 00:40.41 | \amethyst | d00gster: smartctl --test=long /dev/hda to run a background self-test, then smartctl -H /dev/hda to have it print a drive health report |
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| 00:41.14 | yigal | ok, i used for f in `ls *`; do procmail < $f; done and it seems to be working |
| 00:41.22 | abrotman | \amethyst: oh come on .. michael jackson is more healthy than that drive |
| 00:41.25 | freenot | is it possible to log all grub errors into /var/log/messages? |
| 00:42.06 | abrotman | freenot: before anything is mounted ? |
| 00:42.28 | freenot | abrotman: yes |
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| 00:45.42 | abrotman | yay .. 4.0r1! |
| 00:46.25 | simonrvn | should probably update the topic |
| 00:47.09 | abrotman | simonrvn: i tried |
| 00:47.11 | yigal | when a man lives in unstable what is a mere 4.0r1 to him? |
| 00:47.14 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 00:47.18 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:47.19 | simonrvn | it's locked |
| 00:47.26 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: :) |
| 00:47.28 | abrotman | simonrvn: you have no power over me! |
| 00:47.39 | simonrvn | sure don't |
| 00:47.52 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> ETCH: 4.0r1 released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg sarge->etch ! /msg dpkg lenny | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people |
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| 00:48.01 | simonrvn | yigal: when there are machines that do run etch |
| 00:48.19 | yigal | simonrvn: and i am very greatful there are |
| 00:48.35 | simonrvn | 'grateful' |
| 00:49.01 | stoned | greatfull |
| 00:49.03 | Kartoffelsalat | does someone know the name of this music-player-daemon, which is controlled by a client and runs without x (if not needed)? if forgot the name :/ |
| 00:49.18 | sooth | mpd |
| 00:49.19 | sooth | mpc |
| 00:49.20 | simonrvn | ingrate |
| 00:49.30 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 00:49.30 | Kartoffelsalat | i think mpd |
| 00:49.32 | Kartoffelsalat | thanks :) |
| 00:49.33 | stoned | heh |
| 00:49.40 | stoned | man it is burning up here |
| 00:49.44 | stoned | I hate heat |
| 00:49.49 | simonrvn | nice and cool today |
| 00:49.56 | simonrvn | 20C right now |
| 00:50.07 | simonrvn | low of 14 |
| 00:50.13 | yigal | simonrvn: 14 what? |
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| 00:50.20 | stoned | its 87F today |
| 00:50.29 | simonrvn | C ... |
| 00:50.36 | yigal | simonrvn: good to know |
| 00:50.54 | stoned | 14 degrees C++ |
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| 00:51.15 | Kartoffelsalat | here 3 A.M., i do not want to go out, to cold :D |
| 00:51.27 | snowbird | simonrvn, heat nice |
| 00:51.35 | snowbird | -60 next month |
| 00:51.44 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 00:51.52 | simonrvn | it's august... |
| 00:51.56 | snowbird | nice eh |
| 00:52.04 | snowbird | end of aug |
| 00:52.15 | stoned | dude im dying |
| 00:52.15 | simonrvn | even up north it's not going to go below -10 next month |
| 00:52.18 | stoned | dang heat! |
| 00:52.23 | snowbird | set is cold oct is snow |
| 00:52.31 | stoned | this is my first summer in ny |
| 00:52.35 | snowbird | stoned |
| 00:52.37 | stoned | dunno how the winter will turn out |
| 00:52.41 | abrotman | simonrvn: you haven't learned yet ... |
| 00:52.46 | snowbird | i got funny thing |
| 00:52.51 | yigal | i live in beautiful Southern CA, not Cananda California |
| 00:52.51 | stoned | ok, share it |
| 00:52.53 | simonrvn | stoned: it's the city, it's always 2+ degrees C hotter |
| 00:53.08 | snowbird | u know what in out eth 0 error is |
| 00:53.08 | stoned | i live in the burbs |
| 00:53.17 | stoned | no i don't snowbird |
| 00:53.26 | simonrvn | abrotman: about ? |
| 00:53.34 | stoned | what is it? |
| 00:53.35 | abrotman | simonrvn: don't make me cluebat you! |
| 00:53.37 | snowbird | its on boot up if there is boot up log id paste it |
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| 00:53.49 | stoned | snowbird: I thought there was a punchline somewhere |
| 00:53.56 | stoned | that wasn't very funny :) |
| 00:53.57 | snowbird | oh |
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| 00:54.18 | snowbird | it aint funny stoned google says its dchp thing |
| 00:54.21 | simonrvn | abrotman: that the u.s. is the only place in the world that still does farenheit? |
| 00:54.52 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: the UK does sometimes too |
| 00:54.52 | snowbird | if i unplug lan it goes away |
| 00:54.52 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: but yeah, pretty much. |
| 00:54.52 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: hm bbc news service doesn't :/ |
| 00:54.57 | yigal | dondelelcaro: the brits are giving up on the brit system - good for them |
| 00:54.59 | simonrvn | world news, rather |
| 00:54.59 | snowbird | i get kde today stoned slow as heck but its kde |
| 00:55.03 | abrotman | simonrvn: that doesn't really bother me .. it's just another silly scale |
| 00:55.05 | yigal | too bad for america |
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| 00:55.33 | abrotman | yigal: haven't they been giving up for 10 years ? |
| 00:55.38 | reiser2 | Hi |
| 00:55.41 | snowbird | stoned |
| 00:55.47 | simonrvn | abrotman: that make sense, 0 is water freezing. simple |
| 00:55.49 | reiser2 | i am trying to run DBDesigner4 |
| 00:55.54 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/3659802/%5Byesy%5D_Utawarerumono_1-26___special.3659802.TPB.torrent |
| 00:55.58 | dondelelcaro | hrm... that's not going to work. |
| 00:56.06 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day_f.shtml?world=0005 |
| 00:56.12 | simonrvn | 'k thanks |
| 00:56.14 | reiser2 | but it request for libXft.so.1 |
| 00:56.18 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: almost the same ... |
| 00:56.19 | yigal | abrotman: the brit or US? |
| 00:56.48 | simonrvn | heh cool |
| 00:56.50 | stoned | snowbird: whats up |
| 00:56.59 | reiser2 | but, DBDesigner tells that it was teste with Suse and Red Hat |
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| 00:57.08 | snowbird | would u help me set up staic ip and then my network |
| 00:57.13 | simonrvn | reiser2: and? |
| 00:57.17 | reiser2 | where can i get libXft.so.1 |
| 00:57.21 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: うたわれるもの and fahrenheit... very similar, yes. |
| 00:57.40 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:57.55 | yigal | dondelelcaro: if i could remember the little bit of hirigana i learned 15 years ago |
| 00:57.59 | simonrvn | w00t |
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| 00:58.26 | simonrvn | yes, OT |
| 00:58.34 | snowbird | what u a papa |
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| 00:58.56 | snowbird | or neibors aint yours |
| 00:59.02 | yigal | simonrvn: your not pregnant, what is it |
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| 00:59.53 | jacekowski | how old is debian sarge? |
| 01:00.09 | snowbird | 20 |
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| 01:00.16 | abrotman | !sarge |
| 01:00.16 | dpkg | i heard sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 01:00.19 | simonrvn | jacekowski: oldstable |
| 01:00.26 | jacekowski | hmh |
| 01:00.29 | jacekowski | thanks |
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| 01:00.49 | reiser2 | then? |
| 01:00.57 | simonrvn | yigal, snowbird: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2007/08/15/ot-uranium-sharbot-lake-070815.html |
| 01:00.58 | snowbird | got to clean company coming over |
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| 01:02.30 | ProN00b | said something, amerifag ? |
| 01:02.45 | abrotman | !tell ProN00b about gay |
| 01:03.13 | Bogus8 | could anyone suggest a good intermediate linux book... I'm placing an order and new one more book to get free shipping :) |
| 01:03.20 | snowbird | news 9 year old boys drowed a 6 year old |
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| 01:04.52 | Kartoffelsalat | cya and a happy birthday debian :D |
| 01:04.55 | simonrvn | abrotman: difference between respecting it and actually participating in it |
| 01:05.39 | reiser2 | no help here, man |
| 01:06.35 | abrotman | Comcast: "As we all know, the internet is like water" |
| 01:06.35 | snowbird | simonrvn, no ont here 7 hours from me |
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| 01:09.02 | yigal | simonrvn: interesting article, the native people take an honorable and difficult position |
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| 01:13.47 | blazemonger | if ubuntu uses debian sid, why is it that sid isn't reccomended to new users? |
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| 01:15.19 | abrotman | they don't use sid |
| 01:15.21 | abrotman | they use ubuntu |
| 01:15.26 | ProN00b | blazemonger, because sid is unstable |
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| 01:16.16 | ProN00b | the debian "unstable" |
| 01:16.18 | yigal | blazemonger: they use a snapshot of sid, and only kind of |
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| 01:20.36 | roldyx_ | hello |
| 01:20.50 | roldyx_ | i ve problems with my notebook |
| 01:20.57 | simonrvn | yigal: not really difficult in one way, because it's just asserting their sovereignty |
| 01:21.06 | abrotman | must be spiral bound |
| 01:21.15 | roldyx_ | fn key not run |
| 01:21.22 | simonrvn | abrotman: hehe |
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| 01:21.40 | roldyx_ | i can change bright screen |
| 01:21.43 | peterS | blazemonger: probably because the core ubuntu developers are not "new users" |
| 01:21.45 | roldyx_ | cant |
| 01:22.07 | yigal | simonrvn: true, i only mean difficult in the sense of dealing with "the man", but in my experience i find it easier to live by my principles rather than fear |
| 01:22.08 | stoned | boinky boinky boinky forget ubuntu it sucks |
| 01:22.08 | roldyx_ | help me please |
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| 01:22.38 | stoned | !tell roldyx_ -about ask |
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| 01:23.24 | peterS | stoned: I guess you missed his question? |
| 01:23.39 | yigal | simonrvn: or even what other would call pragmatic |
| 01:23.41 | stoned | peterS: probably my good man, I was just chiming in |
| 01:23.42 | abrotman | reading issues |
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| 01:24.49 | Peacimowen | I did a full upgrade recently, which killed my nvidia module. I'm trying to install the official nvidia module right now, but it's telling me that it's "Unable to find developpment tool 'cc'" in my path. I do have gcc installed, so I can't really figure out why cc wouldn't be in the path. Can anyone help me resolve this? |
| 01:24.51 | stoned | so he is asking what? |
| 01:25.10 | stoned | Peacimowen: don't use official nvidia installer |
| 01:25.12 | dkdexter | hi, if i want to run debian on a intel X64 systen, what version do i download? |
| 01:25.28 | peterS | stoned: he's asking about the Fn key on his laptop, and controlling the brightness of his screen |
| 01:25.35 | stoned | Peacimowen: on a full upgrade, you get a new kernel as well more than likely, so you basically need to recompile the nvida kernel module using module-assistant |
| 01:25.39 | peterS | dkdexter: amd64 |
| 01:25.47 | roldyx_ | stoned: sorry, I try change bright screen of my notebook but the FN KEY not run |
| 01:25.51 | stoned | peterS: no I was talking about the guy talking about ubuntu and sid and what not |
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| 01:26.13 | peterS | stoned: then why did you ask the bot to tell roldyx_ about "ask"? |
| 01:26.28 | dkdexter | peters >> so it's a universal version for both platforms? |
| 01:26.29 | stoned | roldyx_: no I read it, but he needs to ask it properly i think. which laptop, which debian, etc. etc. |
| 01:26.37 | peterS | dkdexter: Intel makes AMD64 clones these days |
| 01:26.56 | peterS | dkdexter: yes, I know it is a weird situation, if you're old enough to remember when AMD was only making Intel clones |
| 01:26.58 | stoned | er.. peterS not roldyx_ |
| 01:26.58 | dkdexter | ok, thanks for the help |
| 01:26.58 | stoned | heh |
| 01:27.11 | roldyx_ | stoned: compaq presario f500 y debian lenny |
| 01:27.37 | stoned | and what is Fn anyway? like function keys? |
| 01:27.55 | peterS | stoned: it is the key you use on most laptops to control functions such as, well, your LCD brightness |
| 01:28.03 | stoned | peterS: oh I see |
| 01:28.15 | roldyx_ | fn + F7 and fn + F8 |
| 01:28.24 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:28.27 | stoned | oh i see it on my laptop, wow, I never used it |
| 01:28.32 | \amethyst | stoned: also often used to simulate the numeric keypad |
| 01:28.36 | stoned | i never even, i thought it was the winkey |
| 01:28.39 | abrotman | roldyx_: how old is it ? |
| 01:28.40 | roldyx_ | peterS: can you help me? |
| 01:28.50 | stoned | \amethyst: is ee |
| 01:28.56 | peterS | and to control whether the video chip outputs to the LCD or the external port or both |
| 01:29.02 | roldyx_ | abrotman: old?? |
| 01:29.15 | peterS | roldyx_: no, I don't have a compaq presario f500 |
| 01:29.21 | stoned | so its basically a function key and it doesn't work as in your shortcuts don't work |
| 01:29.25 | abrotman | roldyx_: years? months? days? |
| 01:29.32 | stoned | that kinda sucks |
| 01:29.43 | roldyx_ | 2007 06 20 |
| 01:29.50 | stoned | I have a dell inspiron something, my fkey works, I'm on sid |
| 01:29.55 | peterS | stoned: no, it usually activates the SMM mode of your CPU, which calls the BIOS down underneath the OS and gets the job done that way |
| 01:29.56 | abrotman | too old .. probably a PIII in that |
| 01:29.58 | roldyx_ | it is very new |
| 01:30.03 | roldyx_ | hehehe |
| 01:30.11 | peterS | stoned: so Fn+F7 or whatever is never even seen by Linux, the BIOS takes care of it |
| 01:30.16 | stoned | peterS: that hardcore eh |
| 01:30.30 | stoned | peterS: oh I see, so the fn key has nothing to do with linux |
| 01:30.34 | stoned | ? |
| 01:30.34 | abrotman | roldyx_: do your Fn keys work in another OS ? |
| 01:30.38 | peterS | SMM means 'system management mode', a mode even lower level than ring 0, which is kernel mode |
| 01:30.54 | stoned | so its a problem with a configuration in his bios maybe? or is it a way that he can have that key working under debian/linux? |
| 01:31.00 | yigal | but some of this stuff has to do with custom dsdt etc. |
| 01:31.01 | peterS | stoned: well, I suppose it depends on the laptop and the kernel, it may be that certain ACPI setup can disable its effects or something |
| 01:31.16 | roldyx_ | abrotman: my brother have the same machine, and he has windows xp and run perfectly |
| 01:31.17 | stoned | maybe |
| 01:31.20 | yigal | peterS: acpi has a lot to do wtih it |
| 01:31.38 | abrotman | roldyx_: i want to know about yours .. not his :) |
| 01:31.52 | abrotman | roldyx_: your machine could be biffed while his is not |
| 01:31.53 | roldyx_ | abrotman: do i need change keyboard map?? |
| 01:32.09 | abrotman | shouldn't have to |
| 01:32.10 | peterS | ACPI is an existence proof of the dictum "Whoever does not understand Open Firmware is condemned to reimplement it, poorly" |
| 01:32.18 | peterS | errrr, reinvent |
| 01:32.29 | roldyx_ | abrotman: the problem it is only over linux |
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| 01:32.40 | stoned | peterS: open firmware is a pos :( |
| 01:32.53 | stoned | nah not really |
| 01:32.54 | peterS | it solves the problem a lot more simply than acpi does, though |
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| 01:32.59 | dondelelcaro | OF works quite well for what it does |
| 01:33.09 | hobophobe | If I want to receive mail from apt-listchanges, do I need a mail daemon like exim4 or postfix or how do I need to set up my intrabox mail? |
| 01:33.10 | stoned | im just saying cuz it gave me shit on my powerbook |
| 01:33.27 | peterS | maybe you could give it a little respect, it might return the favor |
| 01:33.29 | stoned | i had to do some serious work to reinstall debian on the fucker |
| 01:33.33 | stoned | hehe |
| 01:33.33 | dondelelcaro | hobophobe: no, you just need something like nullmailer or ssmtp. |
| 01:33.41 | hobophobe | ah, ok |
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| 01:34.08 | stoned | open firmware I read about and researched well when I was trying to fix my laptop |
| 01:34.09 | qiyong | is there any good webmail? i use postfix+dovecot. |
| 01:34.29 | qiyong | !webmail |
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| 01:34.54 | stoned | I still have sarge/testing on it! |
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| 01:35.03 | roldyx_ | qiyong: horde webmail |
| 01:35.05 | abrotman | horde is one |
| 01:35.08 | abrotman | squirrelmail |
| 01:35.17 | roldyx_ | roundcube |
| 01:35.25 | peterS | I don't think he just wants a list of packages, but an actual recommendation by someone who knows which ones are good |
| 01:35.31 | roldyx_ | roundcube it s very very nice |
| 01:35.45 | Gm4n | Anyone in here good with samba? I'm trying to set up my fresh debian etch system to share a directory to my windows domain, and don't have a clue where to start. |
| 01:35.45 | peterS | what is a round cube? is that like a sphere? |
| 01:36.16 | roldyx_ | peterS: it is a webmail |
| 01:36.17 | peterS | Gm4n: pull out your editor for the file /etc/samba/smb.conf and read 'man smb.conf'. the basics are already there, commented out |
| 01:36.38 | roldyx_ | peterS: it is like a world |
| 01:36.39 | roldyx_ | :P |
| 01:36.40 | Gm4n | I did that, and I have my server showing up in the domain. |
| 01:36.44 | Gm4n | however, I can't authenticate =( |
| 01:36.48 | yigal | Gm4n: it is not too difficult make sure you are in the same work group as the windbloze boxes and a few other details for file sharing samba should be very easy |
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| 01:37.11 | Gm4n | yeah, I thought it would be easy, except that I can't log in from any windows station =( |
| 01:37.12 | yigal | Gm4n: even for printing i have found that it is not bad |
| 01:37.12 | peterS | Gm4n: yeah you probably have to join the domain then. 'man smbpasswd' for the details, as I recall |
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| 01:37.18 | roldyx_ | qiyong: apt-get install roundcube |
| 01:37.51 | peterS | for lenny I think apt-get should be a script that just prints "aptitude pwns j00" and exits |
| 01:37.53 | Gm4n | when I run testparm, I get workgroup = ... |
| 01:37.58 | roldyx_ | well my keyboard still not run |
| 01:38.02 | roldyx_ | ggggrrrrrr |
| 01:38.02 | Gm4n | erm, by ... I mean the correct thing |
| 01:38.03 | yigal | Gm4n: what peterS said about the man is right i wouldn't reccomend their documentation which is really mountain loads |
| 01:38.25 | yigal | Gm4n: have you checked the web google - there are some very simple tutorials - its been a while |
| 01:38.44 | peterS | Gm4n: being in a workgroup and being a member of the domain are not the same thing. in SMB / NetBIOS, you can be in a workgroup merely by declaring that you are in it. but to be in a domain requires the blessing of the domain controller. |
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| 01:39.25 | Gm4n | ah, right =) |
| 01:39.33 | Gm4n | thanks peterS, I forgot about that |
| 01:39.54 | peterS | Gm4n: you declare the domain controller with 'password server = foo' in smb.conf, but then you have to actually create a machine trust account on the domain controller. this is where smbpasswd, or some similar utility, comes in |
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| 01:41.03 | Gm4n | peterS: I can't find anything about passwd server in smb.conf =( |
| 01:41.49 | peterS | Gm4n: apparently you are not spelling 'password' correctly |
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| 01:42.02 | Peacimowen | stoned: I'm getting nowhere with module-assistant and recompiling nvidia kernel module. Lack of source being the main issue. |
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| 01:42.09 | plasmafox | DCC SEND WEJRGYIOJWRIOJRIOJGQIOWRJOIWJIAORJGIO |
| 01:42.11 | Gm4n | peterS: good point, but I couldn't find that either =[ |
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| 01:42.35 | abrotman | damn kids |
| 01:42.36 | peterS | Gm4n: look harder. it is very definitely in 'man smb.conf' |
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| 01:43.50 | peterS | Gm4n: it mentions the 'security = domain' or 'security = ads' parameter, make sure you use one of those rather than 'security = server'. just fyi. not that 'security = server' doesn't _work_, but it uses the Windows 95 method of password validation, which is inefficient and insecure |
| 01:44.02 | Gm4n | ah, fair enough =) |
| 01:44.18 | Gm4n | should I read up on domain vs ads, or is there one I should pick? |
| 01:44.37 | peterS | Gm4n: domain means Windows NT 4.0 domain controller. ads means Active Directory, which is new to Windows 2000 |
| 01:44.48 | Gm4n | ah, ads it is =) |
| 01:44.57 | peterS | Gm4n: both should work if your domain controller is at least Windows 2000. I haven't had any practical experience with Active Directory and Samba, though |
| 01:45.02 | ProN00b | can anyone tell me how to install/autoconfigure grub ? (from rescue mode) |
| 01:46.17 | dondelelcaro | yeesh. I love it when firefox decides that it needs to take 1G of RSS for pixmaps in X |
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| 01:53.13 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: do all gecko-based browsers do that ? |
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| 01:54.26 | hobophobe | huh... they emphasize "is" rather than "not": "but *IS* not being used." |
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| 01:58.46 | stoned | brain fart man |
| 01:58.59 | stoned | ProN00b: what is the problem? |
| 01:59.36 | ProN00b | doesn't boot normally |
| 01:59.43 | ProN00b | seems mbr is broken |
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| 01:59.48 | stoned | ProN00b: what does it say/do? |
| 01:59.49 | rtc | Happy birthday |
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| 01:59.59 | stoned | if mbr was broken you wouldn't be able to get to grub to begin with |
| 02:00.13 | ProN00b | yeah, i don't get there |
| 02:00.18 | stoned | well that sucks |
| 02:00.28 | ProN00b | i can boot into rescue mode from cd |
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| 02:01.03 | ProN00b | any idea how i get grub working from there ? |
| 02:01.03 | stoned | im not too sure, though I know you can boot from a live cd or something and try to restore grub, mount your thing chroot it and install grub |
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| 02:01.15 | stoned | i dunno dude, grub never broke for me :) |
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| 02:02.09 | snowbird | stoned do u need to check sum every time |
| 02:02.38 | stoned | snowbird: for what? |
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| 02:02.59 | snowbird | a distro to install |
| 02:03.21 | stoned | sure, to make sure it hasn't been tampered with |
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| 02:03.32 | stoned | of false dns etc. |
| 02:04.28 | snowbird | one iam on cant get to check sum google says there aint a way to check sum |
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| 02:04.35 | snowbird | should i give up? |
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| 02:06.23 | snowbird | stoned |
| 02:06.29 | dsa | what apache do I have installed on my debian... Apache-SSL or Apache-ModSSL ... I'm trying to renew cert and do not know what to answer.. |
| 02:07.34 | stoned | snowbird: not every time |
| 02:07.57 | abrotman | a2enmod ssl |
| 02:08.33 | dsa | abrotman: ? |
| 02:08.51 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:08.52 | abrotman | sorry |
| 02:08.54 | abrotman | misread |
| 02:09.37 | dsa | abrotman: np |
| 02:09.51 | abrotman | how woudl we know what to answer ? |
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| 02:11.10 | dsa | abrotman: what is the difference between those two? |
| 02:11.21 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:11.35 | abrotman | they can use the same cert if that's what you mean |
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| 02:11.51 | dsa | what is difference between Apache-SSL and Apache-ModSSL |
| 02:12.07 | abrotman | one is a module .. one only does ssl AFAIK |
| 02:12.50 | dsa | how do I find which one I have on my debian system? |
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| 02:13.13 | abrotman | dpkg -l |
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| 02:15.22 | Marco | I've used make-kpkg to build a kernel deb |
| 02:15.22 | Marco | but I want to change the name |
| 02:15.22 | dondelelcaro | Marco: in what way? |
| 02:15.22 | Marco | when I do so in menuconfig (I changed the suffix) |
| 02:15.25 | dsa | abrotman: does this mean that if I can do a2enmod ssl I have Apache-ModSSL ? thanks |
| 02:15.34 | Marco | you know how the configs let you add anything to the end of the name? |
| 02:15.37 | dondelelcaro | Marco: if you want to change the suffix, use --apend-to-version |
| 02:15.38 | abrotman | dsa: if i understand your question correctly .. yes |
| 02:15.39 | dondelelcaro | s/p/pp/ |
| 02:15.45 | dondelelcaro | !kernel mantra |
| 02:15.47 | dpkg | use the Debian packages! Really! They work! Only if they REALLY don't work should you be compiling your own, because some day you'll really need that module you left out |
| 02:15.52 | dsa | abrotman: thank you |
| 02:15.52 | dondelelcaro | damnit |
| 02:15.54 | jetscreamer | kp mantra |
| 02:15.58 | dondelelcaro | !factinfo kernel mantra |
| 02:15.58 | dpkg | kernel mantra -- created by directhex <~jms@shields.gotadsl.co.uk> at Fri Jan 7 02:36:22 2005 (950 days); it has been requested 36 times, last by dondelelcaro, 11s ago. |
| 02:16.04 | Marco | dondek, I realised that quickly |
| 02:16.16 | Marco | because I did it in both places |
| 02:16.17 | Marco | in the config |
| 02:16.23 | Marco | and in the make-kpkg command |
| 02:16.25 | abrotman | !kp mantra |
| 02:16.25 | dpkg | kp mantra is, like, make-kpkg clean && VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') && NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=-$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 02:16.25 | dondek | Marco: me? |
| 02:16.26 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no kernel mantra is <reply> see kp mantra |
| 02:16.26 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 02:16.35 | Marco | * dondelelcaro |
| 02:17.11 | dondelelcaro | Marco: you only do it in the make-kpkg command. |
| 02:17.18 | Marco | i know |
| 02:17.20 | Marco | I messed up at first |
| 02:17.22 | Marco | now I want to fix it |
| 02:17.27 | Marco | and it says that I have the wrong name |
| 02:17.38 | dondelelcaro | Marco: so just run make-kpkg clean; again. |
| 02:17.45 | dondelelcaro | Marco: then rerun make-kpkg with the right options. |
| 02:17.49 | Marco | then I lose everything I compiled |
| 02:17.50 | Marco | :/ |
| 02:18.00 | dondelelcaro | not like it's a big deal |
| 02:18.02 | Marco | that was a good hour of compiling |
| 02:18.16 | Marco | oh well |
| 02:18.18 | Marco | whatever |
| 02:18.39 | dondelelcaro | the problem is that if you don't, you have to go back through and muck with all of the versions.h and hope that you get them all. |
| 02:18.49 | Marco | fair enough |
| 02:19.10 | dondelelcaro | (and when you do it enough, you start to use ccache. ;-)) |
| 02:19.16 | Marco | I may just leave ccache? |
| 02:19.34 | Marco | err |
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| 02:20.04 | Marco | what's ccache? (I had typed something in, decided not to keep typing, and then started to type a new question >_>) |
| 02:20.22 | dondelelcaro | !+info ccache |
| 02:20.24 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 02:20.33 | dpkg | ccache: (Compiler results cacher, for fast recompiles), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.4-9 (sid), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
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| 02:23.03 | Marco | dondelelcaro, that's a brilliant idea |
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| 02:24.42 | Marco | dondelelcaro, I imagine it doesn't play well with apt though, symlinking gcc to it |
| 02:24.48 | Marco | everytime gcc is updated, wont' that be overwritten? |
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| 02:27.43 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: is there a list of pacakges/bugs fixed in r1 like joey used to do ? |
| 02:27.56 | abrotman | maybe that was joeyh |
| 02:29.02 | abrotman | it was joey |
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| 02:30.52 | Growly|Work | i dont know if someone answered last time i asked, but does anyone know how to get php5 + oci8 for oracle awesomeness on debian? |
| 02:31.22 | abrotman | eh . i think i found it http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?users=debian-kernel@lists.debian.org,debian-release@lists.debian.org;tag=dkt-etch-update,SRM;dist=stable |
| 02:31.33 | abrotman | Growly: apt-cache search php oci |
| 02:33.24 | Growly|Work | abrotman - i've done that, all i get is php-db. will that do the trick? |
| 02:33.28 | Growly|Work | does it bundle many such clients? |
| 02:33.35 | Growly|Work | and why does mysql get its own special package? |
| 02:33.38 | Growly|Work | cheers |
| 02:34.30 | abrotman | $ apt-file list php-db | grep oci |
| 02:34.33 | abrotman | php-db: usr/share/php/DB/oci8.php |
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| 02:34.41 | abrotman | somehow .. i doubt that's what you wanted |
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| 02:36.03 | qiyong | peterS roldyx_ roundcube horde, squirrelmail, which is the best? |
| 02:36.10 | qiyong | what are they based on? |
| 02:36.21 | peterS | don't ask me, I don't use them |
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| 02:36.22 | qiyong | and i need multi lang support |
| 02:36.23 | Growly|Work | apt-file eh? |
| 02:36.23 | abrotman | horde is php .. i think squirrelmail is too |
| 02:36.24 | Growly|Work | thanks abrotman |
| 02:37.05 | NicNac | Iceweasel wont work with my internet banking but firefox will is there any way of tricking websites into thinking im using firefox? |
| 02:37.06 | abrotman | !apt-file |
| 02:37.06 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-file is util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename |
| 02:37.35 | qiyong | abrotman, what about sqwebmail? |
| 02:37.39 | abrotman | never used it |
| 02:37.55 | qiyong | abrotman, heard of? |
| 02:37.56 | Growly|Work | according to apt-file the package is empty |
| 02:37.59 | Growly|Work | but that's ok |
| 02:38.30 | abrotman | qiyong: apt-cache show <pkg> |
| 02:38.42 | abrotman | Growly: did you run apt-file updat e? |
| 02:38.43 | abrotman | update |
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| 02:40.10 | Growly|Work | no i didn't |
| 02:40.11 | Growly|Work | thanks :) |
| 02:40.13 | devshm | how bad would it be if i tried to run 2.6.22 from sin in lenny? i want to make my intel 4965agn wifi crd work with native drivers |
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| 02:40.20 | devshm | s/sin/sid/ |
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| 02:41.55 | abrotman | devshm: you can just try it .. it'll eithe rwork or not |
| 02:42.31 | Marco | what's the accepted best way of using ccache transparently in debian |
| 02:42.37 | Marco | so calling gcc actually calls ccache |
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| 02:43.00 | devshm | abrotman first time i'm attempting, going to try to "port" the package into lenny... however deb-src doesn't seem to have it |
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| 02:43.22 | sdiz | Marco : put /usr /usr/lib/ccache/ to PATH |
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| 02:43.45 | Marco | oh my, that's brilliant |
| 02:43.57 | Marco | sdiz, in .profile? |
| 02:44.04 | abrotman | devshm: you don't want the src package |
| 02:44.14 | Marco | or is there place I can put it so it has effect on the whole system? |
| 02:44.15 | abrotman | devshm: well .. there's linux-source you can use if you want |
| 02:44.26 | abrotman | devshm: or you can just try the binary package and hope it works :) |
| 02:44.50 | qiyong | <roldyx_> why you recomment roundecube, instead of squirrelmail or sqwebmail, etc? |
| 02:44.59 | qiyong | Roldyx, |
| 02:45.02 | qiyong | roldyx_, |
| 02:45.03 | devshm | abrotman i think i'm going to try the bin package... . oddly enough, i can't find where the hell is the regular source, to recompile kernel. quite a few things have changed since 2.6.6 :) |
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| 02:45.06 | sdiz | Marco, /etc/profile.d or /etc/bash.bashrc work for whole system (except root) |
| 02:45.17 | qiyong | !roundcube |
| 02:45.26 | Marco | so for root I'd *have* to define it in /root/.profile ? |
| 02:45.51 | abrotman | devshm: linux-source-blah |
| 02:45.57 | sdiz | Marco, yes... |
| 02:46.08 | abrotman | !info linux-source-2.6.21 lenny |
| 02:46.09 | devshm | oh, btw, quick question. previosly i've been told to use aptitude but there was recent digg post that suggested apt-get is betteer |
| 02:46.10 | abrotman | for example |
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| 02:46.13 | dpkg | linux-source-2.6.21: (Linux kernel source for version 2.6.21 with Debian patches), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.21-6 (lenny), Packaged size: 42912 kB, Installed size: 43016 kB |
| 02:46.32 | abrotman | devshm: in a few cases perhaps .. but largely aptitude is recommended |
| 02:47.50 | devshm | abrotman if i want to use the generic config that came with the linux-image i should be ok, right? |
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| 02:48.02 | abrotman | ti'll ask for undefined items it needs |
| 02:48.38 | devshm | abrotman ok, i'll be applying mac80211 patches |
| 02:48.46 | abrotman | why? |
| 02:48.50 | abrotman | !find mac80211 lenny |
| 02:49.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'mac80211' returned no results. |
| 02:49.03 | abrotman | hrm .. i thought they were there |
| 02:49.10 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 02:49.10 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 02:49.17 | abrotman | oh no .. not again |
| 02:49.18 | devshm | abrotman they are in 2.6.22 but not 2.6.21 which is lenny |
| 02:49.22 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 02:49.36 | devshm | abrotman hence the reason :) |
| 02:49.49 | abrotman | !find mac80211 |
| 02:49.54 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mac80211' (3 of 16): (/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-1/include/net/mac80211.h) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.22-1 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.22-1-k7/kernel/net/mac80211/mac80211.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.22-1-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.22-1-486/kernel/net/mac80211/mac80211.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.22-1-486. |
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| 02:50.34 | devshm | oh, also, any ideas when there are going to be official compiz-fusion debs? |
| 02:50.46 | dondelelcaro | !+info compiz |
| 02:50.47 | dpkg | compiz: (OpenGL window and compositing manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.5.0.dfsg-2 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 56 kB |
| 02:50.55 | abrotman | is there a compiz-fusion release yet ? |
| 02:51.19 | chuck | hi, i've got an inetd service running or w/e you'd like to call it, and it works fine from localhost, but for some reason i can't access it from the WAN |
| 02:51.22 | chuck | anyone know why? |
| 02:51.32 | devshm | abrotman http://lists.compiz-fusion.org/pipermail/community/2007-August/000091.html |
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| 02:51.49 | abrotman | that was two days ago |
| 02:51.49 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 02:51.49 | dpkg | somebody said debstats was managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
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| 02:52.24 | devshm | abrotman i believe there wasa a previous release, i might be mistaken :) |
| 02:52.24 | chuck | anyone know why? |
| 02:52.34 | abrotman | devshm: it said it was the first development release |
| 02:52.44 | devshm | abrotman true, true |
| 02:54.22 | devshm | abrotman so the .config with linux-sources is not different from /proc/config.gz? |
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| 02:58.48 | VinWista | hi |
| 02:58.53 | VinWista | Ubuntu servers shut down for attacking others |
| 02:58.55 | VinWista | Network those absos |
| 02:58.56 | VinWista | By Nick Farrell: Wednesday 15 August 2007, 16:15 |
| 02:58.58 | VinWista | Click here to find out more! |
| 02:58.59 | VinWista | MAKER OF the Open Sauce Ubuntu software, Cannonical had to shut down five of the eight of its servers after receiving reports that they were attacking other servers. |
| 02:59.01 | VinWista | Knowing that there is nothing worse than a bunch of chavish Linux servers looking for a rumble, or goading Windows computers with calls of, "Come and have a go, if you're hard enough," Cannonical decided to pull the plug. |
| 02:59.04 | VinWista | With the offending servers out of action, Cannonical called for probation reports and found that the servers had a variety of problems. |
| 02:59.07 | VinWista | Not only had the servers not been taking their security patches, which tends to make most servers a bit aggressive. There was a marked disparity between themselves and other posher servers. |
| 02:59.10 | VinWista | A Cannonical spokesman said that it was not surprising that the servers were feeling disaffected and socially isolated. While other servers in the Linux world are regularly upgraded they had missed out because there were problems finding drivers for the network cards. |
| 02:59.12 | krazykit | VinWista, stop spamming |
| 02:59.14 | VinWista | The problem has still not been resolved and Cannonical were going to talk to the server's parent community. |
| 02:59.16 | VinWista | We guess the problem is that you can't give a server an asbo. |
| 02:59.39 | jetscreamer | why ask why |
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| 03:00.15 | jetscreamer | somebody kick him |
| 03:00.26 | krazykit | worse, the company is spelled "canonical" |
| 03:00.45 | qiyong | what info roundcube stores in db? |
| 03:00.58 | Growly|Work | hmmm |
| 03:01.03 | Growly|Work | there doesn't appear to be oci8 in php |
| 03:03.20 | Growly|Work | !oci8 |
| 03:03.31 | Growly|Work | !oracle |
| 03:03.31 | dpkg | from memory, oracle is the world's most advanced database server, see this great installation guide: http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Oracle_10g.shtml Debian packages(for Express Edition) available at http://otn.oracle.com/ or apt repository at http://oss.oracle.com/debian/ |
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| 03:07.37 | daniel-laptop | how can i compile the drbd module for the default debian kernel image |
| 03:08.06 | daniel-laptop | when i make it, it does into a different module dir in /lib/modules than the current kernels modules are |
| 03:08.17 | daniel-laptop | goes* |
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| 03:12.08 | Marco | hmm, I added this to my .profile, but it's not affecting my path |
| 03:12.14 | Marco | PATH=/usr/lib/ccache:$PATH |
| 03:12.15 | Marco | export PATH |
| 03:12.40 | dondelelcaro | Marco: .profile is only read for login shells. |
| 03:12.56 | Marco | /etc/profile too? |
| 03:12.58 | politik | I've created a system user called "svnserve" to run the svn server daemon for me... now I don't know how to correctly launch svnserve as my 'svnserve' user. I want to be able to do this from a shell script |
| 03:13.00 | dondelelcaro | Marco: yes. |
| 03:13.09 | Marco | so where would be the best place to put that? |
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| 03:13.26 | dondelelcaro | Marco: that's the right place to put it, but it won't be visible until you have a new login shell. |
| 03:13.42 | dondelelcaro | Marco: you can make it visible in the meantime by sourcing it. |
| 03:13.45 | Marco | I closed the terminal |
| 03:13.47 | politik | so what is the correct way to lock down a process to a certain directory and run it as a certain user |
| 03:13.54 | Marco | and reopened it |
| 03:14.06 | dondelelcaro | politik: chroot |
| 03:14.12 | Marco | I also tried running bash |
| 03:14.16 | MrDomino | Marco: a login shell is one that starts your session. You have to log out. |
| 03:14.22 | dondelelcaro | Marco: you'd have to run bash --login or similar. |
| 03:14.26 | MrDomino | or that |
| 03:14.39 | Marco | oh |
| 03:14.40 | Marco | I see |
| 03:14.50 | dondelelcaro | Marco: man bash; for the lengthy explanation |
| 03:15.19 | politik | dondelelcaro: can you give me a sample command to launch 'svnserve' as the 'svnserve' user and lock it in ~/foo |
| 03:15.42 | politik | (svnserve is a system user) |
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| 03:16.19 | dondelelcaro | politik: you'd have to create a chroot for that. Just having the svn process run as svnserve will do it fine. |
| 03:16.53 | politik | dondelelcaro: thats part of what I don't know how to do, how can I have the svn process run as svnserve |
| 03:17.18 | politik | there is no command line parameter to tell svn to run as a user |
| 03:17.37 | Growly|Work | !deb |
| 03:17.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, deb is the extension for debian precompiled packages |
| 03:17.42 | Growly|Work | !.deb |
| 03:17.42 | dpkg | .deb is probably a debian package, or an ar archive containing control.tar.gz (debian stuff) and data.tar.gz (the files) |
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| 03:18.11 | dondelelcaro | politik: su - svnserve svnserve; or whatever. |
| 03:18.57 | Growly|Work | !dpkg |
| 03:18.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto> |
| 03:19.07 | Growly|Work | there we go |
| 03:20.10 | politik | dondelelcaro: alright... that didn't seem right somehow, but I guess it is. |
| 03:21.00 | MrDomino | politik: another alternative might be making svnserve setuid |
| 03:21.52 | MrDomino | politik: I remember reading a while back about some sort of weirdo config to get svnserve working in such a manner for svn+ssh access... Google's being unhelpful though. |
| 03:22.25 | dondelelcaro | ugh. don't ever make daemons setuid. |
| 03:22.34 | politik | hm, is it su - svnserve or su svnserve - ? |
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| 03:22.55 | MrDomino | dondelelcaro: svn+ssh (I think) expects users to start instances of svnserve ~.^ |
| 03:22.58 | politik | su - svnserve seems to be trying to switch to root |
| 03:23.09 | MrDomino | 'su - svnserve svnserve' |
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| 03:23.53 | devshm | is there any significant difference between using the kp mantra or following the /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz guide |
| 03:23.53 | politik | it's asking me for a password, but I didn't configure a password for the svnserve user... how can I make it so my user can launch apps as the svnserve user without entering a password |
| 03:23.54 | Growly|Work | !dpkg libaio |
| 03:24.00 | Growly|Work | !dpkg libaio1 |
| 03:24.05 | Growly|Work | hmmm |
| 03:24.07 | Growly|Work | nevermind |
| 03:24.22 | stoned | liibya |
| 03:24.32 | Growly|Work | i was thinking pesto |
| 03:24.36 | MrDomino | politik: do it as root |
| 03:24.36 | Growly|Work | aioli |
| 03:24.39 | Growly|Work | some sort of sauce |
| 03:24.53 | politik | MrDomino: then I'll have to run sudo, which asks for my password as well :) |
| 03:25.15 | MrDomino | politik: yes, but that's your password at least, rather than svnserve's |
| 03:25.25 | dondelelcaro | MrDomino: that's not the point; the point is that having a daemon which is setuid which isn't designed to deal with it has all sorts of horrible problems. |
| 03:25.33 | freenot | i just did a search using aptitude, what does this mean => i A libxext6 - X11 miscellaneous extension library |
| 03:25.38 | MrDomino | politik: anyway, you probably want to start svnserve from a script that runs as root |
| 03:25.38 | stoned | ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff |
| 03:25.40 | stoned | ffffffff |
| 03:25.43 | stoned | oh |
| 03:25.50 | stoned | fuck |
| 03:26.02 | stoned | sorry. my elbow ehe |
| 03:26.04 | politik | MrDomino: but I can't setuid root on a shell script, right? its forbidden |
| 03:26.04 | MrDomino | dondelelcaro: correct. the setup I was googling for mentioned making a setuid (or setgid--brain's frazzled) wrapper for it. |
| 03:26.23 | dondelelcaro | gah! no setuid root shell scripts |
| 03:26.31 | dondelelcaro | just forget even thinking about setuid anything. |
| 03:26.53 | stoned | one may ask at a time like this, why? |
| 03:27.02 | dondelelcaro | politik: what exactly are you trying to do here, and why do you need to run svnserve from a script? |
| 03:27.37 | politik | I'm trying to make it possible for my own usual user to launch svnserve as this restricted user |
| 03:27.47 | dondelelcaro | politik: why? |
| 03:28.02 | politik | so I can't accidentally destroy my svn repository |
| 03:28.23 | dondelelcaro | politik: so make backups as a post commit hook |
| 03:28.32 | dondelelcaro | pretty hard to destroy your own svn repository |
| 03:29.05 | politik | I want to make it impossible :) and I figured this should be easier than an svn-specific configuration, and its something I want to know how to do in general anyway |
| 03:29.05 | MrDomino | not if (e.g.) his browser gets compromised |
| 03:29.17 | politik | well, not impossible, but much harder anyway |
| 03:29.47 | MrDomino | politik: in the case of svnserve, it might be a good idea to start it in rc.local. |
| 03:29.53 | dondelelcaro | politik: it'll never be impossible, but if you want to make it more difficult, use svnserve as it's own user which is always using and commit using the svn network protocol on a specific port, or use the mod_dav svn adapter. |
| 03:30.14 | kingsley | Is it possible to add information to an archived bug report? |
| 03:30.17 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: no |
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| 03:30.30 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: you have to unarchive it, then add the information. [And if it's closed, that's kind of pointless] |
| 03:30.42 | politik | MrDomino: in rc.local, root is launching things, right, so I can su - svnserve from there? |
| 03:30.47 | MrDomino | politik: correct. |
| 03:31.03 | dondelelcaro | politik: yes. though you'll probably actually want to create your own init.d script for it and call start-stop-daemon |
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| 03:31.36 | dondelelcaro | see /etc/init.d/skeleton for a start on that |
| 03:31.58 | Gm4n | I've been trying to set up my fresh debian server as a samba file server in my active directory domain here at work. However, I'm having some issues getting it to join the domain. Anyone have any thoughts on what I should be looking for? |
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| 03:33.00 | MrDomino | Gm4n: how are you trying to join it? |
| 03:33.07 | Gm4n | editing smb.conf and such |
| 03:33.29 | k13 | Is it possible to change the Python's default version (in Debian testing) from 2.4 to 2.5 ? |
| 03:33.32 | freenot | i am trying to install vmware-server and got this error => http://pastie.caboo.se/88136 |
| 03:33.50 | dondelelcaro | k13: yes, but it's probably not such a hot idea. |
| 03:33.51 | politik | dondelelcaro: I will check it out, but I guess that is beyond my "this is worth maintaining" threshold :( |
| 03:33.56 | MrDomino | Gm4n: try 'net rpc join -w DOMAIN -U Administrator' |
| 03:34.03 | Gm4n | I'm also following a tutorial I found (http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3487081), I don't seem to have a kerberos configuration file |
| 03:34.07 | dondelelcaro | politik: it's pretty trivial to make, actually. |
| 03:34.40 | k13 | dondelelcaro: A lot of manual changes (including /usr/share/python/debian_defaults) or a lot of conflicts/problems? |
| 03:35.08 | dondelelcaro | k13: it's literally a matter of changing the symlink to start with |
| 03:35.28 | dondelelcaro | k13: but whether things will continue to work after that or not really depends on what modules et al. you're running. |
| 03:35.43 | dondelelcaro | k13: in general, you're probably better off just using python2.5 specific scripts with python2.5 |
| 03:35.43 | k13 | but if I install new packages that depends on Python, I wonder if this symlink change couldn't break things? |
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| 03:35.55 | Gm4n | hmm... I rebooted my server to see how my samba configuration was doing, but it seems to have hung at "Starting samba daemons" |
| 03:35.55 | dondelelcaro | k13: it's quite possible. |
| 03:35.56 | k13 | I see. |
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| 03:36.10 | MrDomino | Gm4n: it sometimes takes a while. |
| 03:36.34 | Gm4n | MrDomino: the problem is, I had just told my computer to reboot before you gave me that command to run |
| 03:36.41 | Gm4n | so I can't try it until my system is back up |
| 03:37.16 | k13 | And another question, when I install python dependant packages, why dpkg always warns me "Using unsupported version: python2.3" ? |
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| 03:40.20 | Gm4n | MrDomino: so how long is "a while"? |
| 03:40.35 | Gm4n | my system has been stuck on starting samba daemons for 5 minutes or so |
| 03:40.41 | MrDomino | Gm4n: if it's not an ancient computer and you're still waiting, we've got a problem. |
| 03:40.51 | Gm4n | it's a pretty decent computer =( |
| 03:40.56 | MrDomino | ctrl-c it and check the logs. |
| 03:41.08 | Gm4n | I can't |
| 03:41.11 | Gm4n | alreayd tried |
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| 03:41.27 | MrDomino | huh. does samba start before or after ssh? |
| 03:41.37 | Gm4n | hmm, no idea |
| 03:41.58 | Gm4n | after =( |
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| 03:42.05 | Gm4n | time to get out a boot disk to edit the samba config file |
| 03:42.15 | MrDomino | rats. yeah, sounds like it. |
| 03:42.43 | eduhat | hey guys, im setting up X right now, so how do i start? apt-get install xorg? |
| 03:42.50 | MrDomino | Windows interop is a lot of scary voodoo and black magic; best of luck to you. |
| 03:43.08 | MrDomino | eduhat: that would seem to make a fine starting point. |
| 03:43.43 | eduhat | MrDomino: well. what else would i need for a working install of X. or no matter what am i going to have to conifure xorg.conf |
| 03:43.59 | MrDomino | apt will configure it for you. |
| 03:44.25 | MrDomino | You could also try the desktop environment task in aptitude... |
| 03:44.49 | eduhat | so just a wm like fluxbox and a apt-get install xorg will get me a working X evironment? |
| 03:45.10 | MrDomino | should, yeah. |
| 03:45.18 | eduhat | allright, cool :) |
| 03:46.18 | stoned | eduhat? |
| 03:48.05 | simonrvn | stoned: it's a dunce hat :P |
| 03:48.27 | stoned | lol |
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| 03:49.35 | stoned | hackaloogi |
| 03:49.48 | stoned | faloogi afalugoo oosu |
| 03:50.06 | stoned | yes, thats right. |
| 03:50.36 | Gm4n | well, edited that conf file, maybe my system will boot now =) |
| 03:52.51 | Gm4n | whee, system boots =) |
| 03:52.57 | stoned | simonrvn: omg I found a piece of weed in my belly button |
| 03:53.37 | Gm4n | MrDomino: when I try net rpc join, it says unable to find a suitable server |
| 03:53.53 | Gm4n | err, scratch that |
| 03:53.59 | Gm4n | guess the .org part of the domain isn't correct |
| 03:54.00 | Gm4n | =) |
| 03:54.03 | MrDomino | hehe |
| 03:54.44 | freenot | can aptitude be forced to do a search of your local local system? |
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| 03:57.22 | jetscreamer | you're definitely weird then |
| 03:57.40 | jetscreamer | try locate , freenot? |
| 03:57.46 | jetscreamer | updatedb ? |
| 03:58.06 | freenot | jetscreamer: thanks |
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| 03:59.36 | Gm4n | ok, I think I have samba configured and everything, but "wbinfo -u" says error looking up domain users |
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| 04:02.18 | Gm4n | MrDomino, what should I do? |
| 04:03.42 | MrDomino | Gm4n: I wonder if net rpc vampire would be appropriate here... I'm honestly not too sure. I don't remember much of my experience setting up Samba except a lot of swearing and disbelieving shakes of the head. |
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| 04:05.22 | Gm4n | hmm |
| 04:05.27 | Gm4n | what should I try? |
| 04:05.38 | Gm4n | would another system reboot help, perhaps? |
| 04:06.19 | MrDomino | probably not. what's your smb.conf look like? |
| 04:06.35 | MrDomino | ack--gotta run |
| 04:06.38 | Gm4n | one sec, I'll toss it on a pastebin |
| 04:06.44 | MrDomino | best of luck |
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| 04:06.53 | Gm4n | thanks =( |
| 04:09.38 | Gm4n | anyone else willing to help out a samba noob? =D |
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| 04:27.32 | xacier | anyone running a non-intel/amd/transmeta/via/apple laptop? |
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| 04:27.53 | xacier | any other choices outside this big circle? |
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| 04:29.43 | andyp_ | hi |
| 04:30.02 | kakalto | hi |
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| 04:30.32 | xacier | what soup? |
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| 04:39.30 | stopher | hey guys, if anyone is awake. I can't boot my debian 4 server into graphical gnome mode. It says an error about Xserver can't be initialized would i like to see the debug... but works fine in text mode. What can I look at to fixx this? |
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| 04:40.25 | hmweb | hi, |
| 04:40.27 | hmweb | all |
| 04:40.51 | Pabl0Escobar | stopher: look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 04:41.17 | hmweb | anybody have instaled debian in pen driver? |
| 04:41.34 | maxamillion | hmweb: yes |
| 04:41.52 | hmweb | how to |
| 04:41.57 | hmweb | ? |
| 04:42.34 | maxamillion | hmweb: let me get you a link |
| 04:42.43 | hmweb | ok :) |
| 04:43.25 | maxamillion | hmweb: well ... here is a debian based usb pendrive distro, but let me try to find the tutorial -> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/05/16/usb-pendrivelinux-install-tutorial/ |
| 04:43.32 | maxamillion | hmweb: tutorial for debian* |
| 04:43.44 | hmweb | thanks :) |
| 04:46.07 | maxamillion | hmweb: unfortunately i need to leave and all i can find is a ubuntu tutorial (but i would assume it would still work the same way seeing as how ubuntu is simply a copy of debian code base with a bunch of horrible hacking done to it) |
| 04:46.17 | maxamillion | anyhoo ... i'm out |
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| 04:51.54 | hmweb | :) |
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| 04:52.34 | andyp_ | hi |
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| 04:53.52 | andyp_ | trying to get wmv files to play even though i have got w32coecs still thry do not play |
| 04:54.04 | Guerin | andyp_: then you don't have them installed properly or are using a crap player |
| 04:54.18 | hmweb | debian rulez |
| 04:54.54 | liable | lolz |
| 04:55.01 | stoned | dude |
| 04:55.04 | stoned | no |
| 04:55.17 | stoned | enough with the 'z' ffs =( |
| 04:55.45 | andyp_ | Guerin xmms and aviplay |
| 04:55.50 | ProN00b | zomgz, y ? |
| 04:56.03 | ProN00b | andyp_, xmms is way to old to play wmv |
| 04:56.23 | ProN00b | andyp_, xmms is generally speaking too old |
| 04:56.25 | liable | eh? |
| 04:56.37 | ProN00b | andyp_, get one of its forks, i use Audacious |
| 04:59.30 | xacier | what is the most advanced microprocessor on the market? |
| 04:59.52 | xacier | for laptop specifically |
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| 05:02.41 | zeeble | andyp_: use mplayer, or totem, or vlc, after installing the w32codecs |
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| 05:04.34 | andyp_ | ProNOOb: thanks what I get is that with Audacious they are accessable, the files are in my home dir ? and that you have enabled the media plugin required, maybe you tell me how to enable the media plugin? |
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| 05:09.06 | thirst | i have multiple repos included in my apt-sources. Is there a way to find which repo I installed a particular .deb from ? |
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| 05:09.47 | frankr | is there some command I can run to figure out what process is hogging alsa |
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| 05:12.55 | greenkobold | |o| in using bootcdwrite to make an image from a running ubuntu install, the final disk is a live cd or not? |
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| 05:15.37 | zinx | green: if you were on debian, it would. no clue about ubuntu. |
| 05:16.21 | greenkobold | zinx:humm, thanks, i'll keep trying than |
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| 05:18.49 | andyp_ | hi |
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| 05:19.18 | andyp_ | thanks for help with meiaplaers vlc seems ok |
| 05:19.30 | andyp_ | mediaplayers |
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| 05:21.26 | andyp_ | anyone use bittorrent please bear in mind i cannot port forward with cable until I get a cable router |
| 05:22.28 | Muds | fuck'em winsux |
| 05:22.45 | andyp_ | the cable modem goes smack bang into my computer right from the box outside |
| 05:22.46 | Guerin | andyp_: biottorrent doesn't need port forwarding |
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| 05:23.11 | Guerin | it might be a bit crap without, but it will work under normal circumstances |
| 05:23.30 | ravn | anyone can tell me: I downloaded the latest kernel package using apt-get to compile a new kernel, but when I run make xconfig (or any other configuration) I just get a heck lot's of error about "implicit declarations" of functions, some that i have not heard of, and some common ones like fprintf. Is there a package lacking or? |
| 05:23.31 | andyp_ | Guerin: ok maybe not if you have say a 4.7 gb file then its a 5 day wait i suppose |
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| 05:26.48 | liable | hrm, i hate it when they announce a dsa and the packages takes two days to reach the repo |
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| 05:27.43 | thirst | ravn: try make menuconfig |
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| 05:29.14 | ravn | thirst: same result |
| 05:29.31 | thirst | ravn: post your errors on pastebin.com |
| 05:29.56 | andyp_ | liable: same with loop-aes you can use it in the installer but only restricted the guy who maintains it said he's been riding aroud spain on his bike and will update repo soon but maybe this not what you mean |
| 05:30.43 | thirst | ravn: pastebin.com seems down..use pastebin.ca |
| 05:31.55 | andyp_ | bit off topic but how come people are pumping millions into ubuntu it seems strange |
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| 05:32.12 | liable | to buy them new hardware :) |
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| 05:33.22 | thirst | andyp_: better for debian.. than if people pump into suse/fedora..:) |
| 05:33.42 | ravn | thirst: http://pastebin.ca/659240 |
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| 05:35.46 | andyp_ | thirst: yes it gets people to use debian linux and the forum seems pretty active even if they are mostly new guy in south africamust have hit a gold mine |
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| 05:37.16 | thirst | ravn: do you have space in your home_dir to copy the entire source.... to avoid using "O=" paramter.. |
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| 05:38.10 | ravn | thirst: sure, but I get the exact same error w.o. the O-directive |
| 05:38.12 | thirst | ravn: or if you have root access go directly to /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18/ and run make menuconfig.. it doesnt change anything other than create a .config file |
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| 05:38.26 | thirst | ravn: hmm.. |
| 05:38.36 | Wintre | Anybody out there got their swap on LVM with etch? |
| 05:39.05 | Wintre | I think there's a bug in the resume-from-suspend stuff in there causing my swap LV to be opened twice |
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| 05:42.08 | ravn | thirs: But since it really can not find fprintf something must be really bad, eh? I don't know. I had no dependencie-problems, but maybe... |
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| 05:43.15 | xored | do i have to initialy start slurpd as root ? |
| 05:43.26 | zu22 | is there a reliable way to see a process table showing cpu consumption in real time, i keep seeing xload spike to 90-100% cpu consumption and my machine is visibly slow (sluggush response and green disk activity light is blinking like crazy) yet when i look at top or ps they only show 3% cpu usage max for a process and no more than 10% total usage |
| 05:43.38 | thirst | ravn: are you trying to cross compile ... similar error here http://www.avrfreaks.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=348661 |
| 05:44.06 | xored | zu22: htop / atop |
| 05:44.09 | xored | zu22: munin |
| 05:44.25 | zu22 | xored: thanks |
| 05:44.56 | karsten | Where do I find the wumpus? |
| 05:45.11 | karsten | zu22: milk got? |
| 05:45.23 | zu22 | karsten: haha (-: |
| 05:45.28 | thirst | ravn: are you sure you have the libc-dev package installed ? simply do an "apt-get install libc-dev" to be sure |
| 05:45.56 | zu22 | karsten: how is your debian life these days? :D |
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| 05:46.21 | karsten | zu22: spleefy. |
| 05:46.31 | zu22 | karsten: good |
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| 05:47.00 | ravn | thirst: actually I just checked this, and apparently it wasn't installed. Now it works, but this is an error in the dep. is it not? |
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| 05:48.29 | thirst | ravn: as error says looks like the header files for the arch were not found.. |
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| 05:50.43 | ravn | thirst: hmm, actually it does not work. I got another error now (http://pastebin.ca/659256): I guess there is something else missing. Probably as you say, some header files. Do you know the package name? |
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| 05:52.35 | thirst | ravn: try to see if libcurses are installed "apt-get install libncurses-dev" |
| 05:53.33 | zeeble | doesnt build-essential get most of these packages? |
| 05:54.18 | ravn | thirst/zeeble: no, your right. It isn't. But isn't it a bit weird that this is not fixed by the kernel-package dep.? |
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| 05:54.54 | zeeble | as third said, first get libncurses-dev |
| 05:54.58 | zeeble | if not installed. |
| 05:55.07 | zeeble | looks like build-essential doesnt install it |
| 05:55.37 | thirst | ravn: well .. you can always do the barebones "make config" without using curses.. but curses interface is more flexible.. |
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| 05:55.42 | ravn | yes, I have already done that, and I'm installing build-essential also |
| 05:56.10 | ravn | yeh, I would actually prefer xconfig :-) |
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| 05:58.04 | thirst | ravn: and deps are usually only for binary packages i think.. not for sources.. |
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| 05:59.00 | thirst | ravn: yeah.. or.. maybe even "make gconfig" .. but again more dependencies with gtk libs there.. |
| 06:00.22 | Roy_M | Hi, I just upgraded from sarge to etch and now it seems that my ethernet card is not working properly as it will not pick up a dhcp address. Furthermore, when I statically assign it an IP I cannot ping other hosts. The ethernet card is an integrated Ethernet Pro 100. |
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| 06:02.00 | Wintre | So, I have my root filesystem on raid, and when I reboot, I get a warning that the MD device can't be stopped. |
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| 06:02.14 | Wintre | I guess this is not a serious risk of damage, but I'd like to fix it. |
| 06:02.23 | Wintre | Is this a known issue? |
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| 06:03.18 | thirst | Roy_M: you must've upgrade the kernel? in sarge did you use stock debian kernel or did you compile on your own.. |
| 06:03.47 | zu22 | i noticed from watching ps i have either deb_checkmd5sum or debsums running in the background nearly all the time, is that normal (testing)? |
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| 06:04.20 | Roy_M | thirst: I used a stock 2.4 kernel, when I upgraded I installed a new kernel (2.6.18-4-686) |
| 06:04.28 | dondelelcaro | zu22: no, it's not, but it may be if you have them installed |
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| 06:05.08 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: ah |
| 06:05.22 | thirst | Roy_M: which motherboard model do you have ? |
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| 06:05.47 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: ok, i guess i could temporarily purge debsums and then check my logs for which package complains :) |
| 06:06.18 | dondelelcaro | zu22: you could also just check the crontabs or look at whatever launched debsums |
| 06:06.26 | dondelelcaro | zu22: it should show up in the ps axfu; output |
| 06:06.30 | thirst | Roy_M: firstly can you ping your own machine say "ping 127.0.0.1" |
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| 06:06.54 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: ok i will check the ps output, i haven't learned much about cronjobs yet :) |
| 06:06.58 | thirst | Roy_M: it could also be that your gateway is messed up.. |
| 06:07.18 | Roy_M | thirst: Not sure, an "lspci" reveals that It is a intel motherboard with integrated everything. CPU is a Celeron 700Mhz |
| 06:07.36 | dondelelcaro | zu22: the ones that it would be would probably be in /etc/cron.daily; possibly /etc/cron.d; so it shouldn't be too hard to find (if cron is the parent of the debsums process) |
| 06:08.13 | Roy_M | thirst: i am pretty confident that it is not a networking issue, I am typing this from a pc that grabed a dhcp ip address on the same sunet |
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| 06:08.35 | Roy_M | thirst: subnet |
| 06:09.01 | thirst | Roy_M: yeah.. but the upgrade could have messed up your routing table.. so just ping yourself to confirm that it is a hardware issue |
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| 06:09.35 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: ok thanks, btw i am using 80 character wide gnome-terminal and when i do that 'ps axfu' some of the child processes go past my max width so i can't read them, anyway to fix this? (i run bash) |
| 06:09.41 | Roy_M | thirst: yeah I can ping myself |
| 06:09.53 | Roy_M | thirst: but nothing else |
| 06:09.54 | Wintre | Anybody got their / on RAID? |
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| 06:11.27 | thirst | Roy_M: that would mean that it is not a hardware issue.. but an issue with your routing table..put the output of "route -n" in pastebin.com |
| 06:12.13 | darkapostrophe_ | I have an "Intel PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN Network Connection" (according to lspci -n) wifi card. How do I get it running? |
| 06:12.19 | zu22 | htop is nice :) |
| 06:12.20 | Roy_M | thirst: so does that mean that you think it is a hardware issue. I thought that Intel NICs were generally very well supported by linux |
| 06:13.12 | thirst | Roy_M: I dont think it is a hardware issue.. once you can ping yourself.. i guess the h/w is up and running well.. |
| 06:13.13 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: i tried to get the ps output to line-wrap once it hit the 80 character limit but no success |
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| 06:14.59 | thirst | DA-Laptop: use mad wifi ? |
| 06:15.08 | DA-Laptop | For atheros cards ^ |
| 06:16.37 | thirst | DA-Laptop: try reading this http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-471794.html |
| 06:16.59 | Roy_M | thrist: there is only one entry, Dest 192.168.1.0 GW 0.0.0.0 Genmask 255.255.255.0 Flags U Metric 0 Ref 0 Iface eth0 |
| 06:19.09 | thirst | Roy_M: you need an entry for your gateway also say your gw is 192.168.1.1, then there should be a second line "0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0" |
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| 06:20.09 | thirst | Roy_M: the /etc/network/interfaces file should have a component like "gateway 192.168.1.1" |
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| 06:23.42 | Roy_M | thirst: yep just updated that file, now when I run /etc/init.d/networking restart It is still not updating, Im just going to read up and make sure that my file is laid out correctly. Thanks for your help so far |
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| 06:26.03 | andyp_ | hi |
| 06:26.23 | mesof | hi |
| 06:26.39 | Hoxzer | eh ? |
| 06:26.44 | andyp_ | if i have a lot of deps for a dpkgfile what I run make-deps? |
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| 06:26.55 | Roy_M | thirst: I just updated the file and then restarted my network settings, the route -n output now looks like you described it but I am still unable to ping anything |
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| 06:27.27 | Hoxzer | personally I hate that people say "hi/hello/greeting/etc" when they join and wait for somebody to say "hi" back. Then they ask question |
| 06:27.52 | andyp_ | Hoxzer: thanks for the tip |
| 06:28.08 | Wintre | Anybody got their / on RAID? |
| 06:28.59 | andyp_ | humans are trained to or conditioned |
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| 06:29.27 | alfatau | hello: i would want to set a standby timer (or be able to choose when to standby) on 2 of the 4 hard disks installed on my server. do you know how to? |
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| 06:30.54 | thirst | Roy_M: check cables and network card and hub LEDs |
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| 06:31.32 | Roy_M | thirst: yep, done and done, they are bliking away |
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| 06:32.08 | thirst | Roy_M: are you able to ping your gateway ? |
| 06:32.15 | Roy_M | thirst:nope |
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| 06:33.36 | thirst | Roy_M: can you paste output of "ifconfig -a" on pastebin.com |
| 06:33.42 | Roy_M | thirst: jsut had a new message, when i restarted my network interface it said " ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready |
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| 06:35.33 | Roy_M | thirst: the output of that is actiualy very interesting, it specifies that there have been no TX and RX packets |
| 06:35.54 | Roy_M | thirst: It will be hard for me to get the output off the machine |
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| 06:37.15 | Roy_M | thirst: should I try and boot into my old kernel or will that not work with etch? |
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| 06:38.09 | Hoxzer | booting into old kernel should work just fine |
| 06:38.24 | JeffH | what options are there for copying a large amount of data at the command line and seeing a progress bar. |
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| 06:38.42 | Roy_M | Hoxzer: really? |
| 06:38.49 | Hoxzer | yes... |
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| 06:39.04 | Hoxzer | well, your newer modules wont work with older kernel |
| 06:39.32 | Roy_M | yeah, do you think I might have more luck with ubuntu server ;) |
| 06:39.33 | alfatau | hello, i want to activate standby on some hard disks on my machine. howto? thanks |
| 06:39.33 | andyp_ | ! lenny |
| 06:39.33 | dpkg | somebody said lenny was the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 06:39.42 | lokkju_wrk | have any of you seen any http/https proxies that allow you to run multiple proxy port to external ip mapping? so request using port 8080 go out on ip x.x.x.10, and requests using port 8081 go out on ip x.x.x.20 |
| 06:39.47 | Hoxzer | but usually older kernel contians sasary drivers to boot succesfully |
| 06:39.50 | Hoxzer | nes |
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| 06:40.21 | JeffH | Is there anyway to combine two partitions into one without losing any data? Both partitions are formatted with reiserfs. |
| 06:41.02 | Roy_M | the real reson that I couldnt use sarge anymore was becuase it did not support the latest wireless-tools so I really am not keen to drop back to sarge |
| 06:41.07 | andyp_ | ! etch->lenny |
| 06:41.07 | Hoxzer | RAID is the answer dunno about data loss |
| 06:41.08 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
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| 06:43.14 | Roy_M | thirst: thanks a lot for your help, I think I will give ubuntu a whirl and see if I ahve any more luck, cheers |
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| 06:44.38 | thirst | Roy_M: np. |
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| 06:46.43 | andyp_ | if i have packges installed say for eg libc6 version 2.3.6.ds1-13 and i need libc6 (>=2.6-1) what to do |
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| 06:47.54 | Tortel | hey, its debian's 14th bday |
| 06:47.56 | Tortel | '1993 - The Debian distribution was first announced by Ian Murdock, then a student at Purdue University. Murdock initially called his system the "Debian Linux Release"' |
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| 06:49.23 | TiMiDo | hey how do i see which device is my ipod |
| 06:49.34 | TiMiDo | so i can mount it is it grep|tail something? |
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| 06:49.55 | JeffH | when I write to my usb drive I see errors in syslog that say 'lost page write due to I/O error on sda1'.. does that mean I've got a bad usb drive? |
| 06:50.48 | Supaplex | io errors are bad. did you pull the drive before unmounting it? |
| 06:51.02 | TiMiDo | so i can mount it is it grep|tail something? |
| 06:51.09 | TiMiDo | hey how do i see which device is my ipod |
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| 06:52.41 | thirst | JeffH: the best USB format utility I have seen so far is killdisk.com it saved some of my old usb sticks. |
| 06:53.45 | thirst | TiMiDo: try dmesg |
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| 06:56.43 | TiMiDo | thanks |
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| 06:57.03 | JeffH | I jUST formatted this usb drive.. |
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| 06:59.39 | JeffH | if it makes a difference its a pata drive in a usb enclosure |
| 07:00.08 | thirst | JeffH: which filesystem ? ext3 ? |
| 07:00.15 | JeffH | dos |
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| 07:01.22 | iKernel | How can I make it so that GDM does not start at boot up? |
| 07:01.43 | thirst | JeffH: well.. I/O errors are usually bad news.. one way is do a low level format and isolate bad sectors. |
| 07:02.03 | JeffH | thirst: what tool will do that on Linux? |
| 07:02.40 | iKernel | he said low level foramt |
| 07:02.42 | iKernel | format* |
| 07:02.50 | iKernel | IE: don't even use an operating system |
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| 07:04.01 | JeffH | how the hell do I do a lowlevel format without using an OS.. |
| 07:04.19 | OmnipotentEntity | Does anyone know what VmallocTotal means (in /proc/meminfo)? |
| 07:04.50 | OmnipotentEntity | JeffH, you boot to an OS on a different media, a CD-ROM generally. |
| 07:04.58 | iKernel | OmnipotentEntity, I'm guessing the total amount of virtual memory allocated |
| 07:05.21 | OmnipotentEntity | iKernel, the reason I'm asking is my value is a little off of the wall. |
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| 07:05.27 | Wintre | Anybody got their / on RAID? |
| 07:05.29 | JeffH | OmnipotentEntity: I can't just unmount the usb drive and do it? |
| 07:05.51 | OmnipotentEntity | I doubt I have 34TB of anything allocated. |
| 07:06.07 | Wintre | OmnipotentEntity: amd64? |
| 07:06.14 | OmnipotentEntity | JeffH, I just chimed in, I don't know what you're trying to accomplish. |
| 07:06.19 | OmnipotentEntity | Wintre, yes. |
| 07:06.22 | iKernel | Lmfao, 34TB of virtual memory?!? |
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| 07:06.38 | Wintre | OmnipotentEntity: I've seen totally bogus numbers from top for memory usage as well |
| 07:06.44 | iKernel | OmnipotentEntity, put the results of cat /proc/meminfo on paste bin. I *have* to see this |
| 07:07.15 | JeffH | OmnipotentEntity: trying to minimize the problems with I/O errors on a usb drive (the underlying drive is PATA).. someone suggested a low level format. |
| 07:07.25 | Wintre | 15013 mike 15 0 171m 20m 14m S 0 2.0 0:00.45 gaim |
| 07:07.30 | Wintre | I mean, that's ridiculous. |
| 07:07.33 | Wintre | 171M GAIM!? |
| 07:07.44 | iKernel | rofl |
| 07:07.51 | Wintre | Something's counting wrong |
| 07:07.54 | OmnipotentEntity | http://rafb.net/p/N80w7t29.html |
| 07:08.09 | Wintre | jeffh: I'd get my data off and throw the disk away |
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| 07:08.21 | iKernel | this is more weird than trying to switch from multi user to single user mode |
| 07:08.23 | Wintre | jeffh: Disks are really really cheap. You data is valuable |
| 07:08.35 | iKernel | press the letter i and it wants you to give login details |
| 07:08.42 | iKernel | after which you give them |
| 07:08.47 | OmnipotentEntity | iKernel, the link I just pasted is cat /proc/meminfo |
| 07:08.59 | iKernel | then it displays your password as <password>: Command not found |
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| 07:09.07 | JeffH | Wintre: there's nothing on the disk right now.. was hoping to use it as temporary storage while I repartition another disk. |
| 07:09.20 | iKernel | or in my case, <password>: No such job |
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| 07:10.22 | thirst | JeffH: if you want to use dos_filesystem itself, use "mkdosfs -c" to format |
| 07:10.30 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:11.08 | Wintre | jeffh: When did you get the errors? |
| 07:11.25 | JeffH | Wintre: during writing. |
| 07:11.26 | Wintre | Writing data to a USB disk you'd just plugged in and mkfsed? |
| 07:11.36 | JeffH | Wintre: yes |
| 07:12.16 | Wintre | JeffH: You could try badblocks, I guess |
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| 07:12.53 | Wintre | Or dd or something, dump the disk full of data see where you get errors. |
| 07:13.02 | JeffH | Reading the man page now. |
| 07:13.05 | thirst | iKernel: rename /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm to K99gdm |
| 07:13.07 | Wintre | hm, does SMART work over USB? |
| 07:14.00 | JeffH | looks like the -c option calls the badblocks program. |
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| 07:15.20 | thirst | JeffH: yeah.. i guess.. the man page says, it checks for badblocks before creating the filesystem |
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| 07:16.01 | JeffH | wish I could figure out why my router is resetting my imap connection every 10 minutes. Don't see anything in the setup that would affect that. |
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| 07:19.26 | thirst | JeffH: which mail client do you use ? |
| 07:19.42 | JeffH | thirst: Thunderbird |
| 07:20.41 | JeffH | It doesn't cause a problem.. its just annoying to see the 'Connection reset b peer' errors in the syslog. |
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| 07:35.35 | pingouin_ | hello |
| 07:35.39 | pingouin_ | http://linux-ata.org/shutdown.html |
| 07:36.07 | pingouin_ | i got a warning when i shutdown my computer, does it means, that i can expect troubles for my hard drive ? |
| 07:36.16 | Coke | I'm looking for some way to allow Windows clients to connect to a Debian desktop. Any recommendations? |
| 07:36.35 | OmnipotentEntity | putty? |
| 07:36.37 | OmnipotentEntity | VNC? |
| 07:36.46 | pingouin_ | the warning give this url (http://linux-ata.org/shutdown.html) but i dont know if debian/etch that i'm running is ok |
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| 07:36.54 | Coke | OmnipotentEntity: I tried VNC, I couldn't get it working. I couldn't connect to the server. |
| 07:37.13 | Coke | OmnipotentEntity: and Putty does desktop stop too? |
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| 07:37.29 | OmnipotentEntity | putty is a terminal emulator. So no. |
| 07:37.46 | OmnipotentEntity | If you couldn't get VNC to connect check your firewall rules. |
| 07:37.55 | OmnipotentEntity | Make sure 5900 is open. |
| 07:37.58 | Mitchbbaker | hello all. whenever i go into kde a readme pops up from an xchat login. how do i get rid of it? |
| 07:38.00 | OmnipotentEntity | iircv |
| 07:38.01 | thirst | Coke: Cygwin/X used to work well for me |
| 07:38.04 | socialist | Coke: if you run an X server on windows, you can use x-forwarding with putty, otherwise you need to get VNC working or maybe FreeNX/nomachine, but I dunno if those work with windows |
| 07:38.35 | yixuan | Hello, can anyone help me to solve this issue? I want to use zip to compress my files. And when I decompress it, it will be copied to absolute path which they are before |
| 07:38.41 | zeeble | Coke: x-win32. a x server for windows. it is not free though. |
| 07:38.49 | socialist | yixuan: man zip? |
| 07:38.55 | Coke | OmnipotentEntity: it wasn't a firewall problem, it just doesn't start a server for some reason. I'll have to investigate it again. I just hate when the default Debian settings won't do. |
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| 07:39.05 | socialist | Cygwin/X is free |
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| 07:39.18 | yixuan | socialist, yes, i did.. but can't find it. I know tar have -P option. |
| 07:39.23 | OmnipotentEntity | Coke, I set up VNC very recently, and the default worked fine... |
| 07:39.37 | yixuan | however, now I can just use zip command. |
| 07:39.46 | OmnipotentEntity | What error are you getting? |
| 07:39.50 | socialist | Coke: check out Xvnc, if you want to access a desktop that is already running, check out x11vnc. I use both regularly and they're pretty simple |
| 07:39.52 | Coke | socialist: and how do I connect to the remote machine? |
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| 07:40.07 | ghatak_mobile | Hi, where is the hostname set for a system, when i run 'hostname' i get, ghatak.mydomain.com. i only want it to return ghatak |
| 07:40.10 | OmnipotentEntity | Use a VNC client. |
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| 07:40.28 | Coke | OmnipotentEntity: no, he, I meant if I have a Win32 X server. |
| 07:40.33 | socialist | yixuan: I'm not sure, it may not be possible |
| 07:40.37 | Coke | I don't know -anything- about Windows. |
| 07:40.44 | Coke | Well, it looks ugly. That's it. |
| 07:40.46 | zeeble | ghatak as in the sunny deol movie? |
| 07:40.55 | OmnipotentEntity | You install a VNC client on the windows machine. |
| 07:41.08 | OmnipotentEntity | That's the only software you need to connect to a VNC server on a linux machine. |
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| 07:41.09 | thirst | Coke: use a browswer if you are using the default vnc server on debian |
| 07:41.12 | t4m1n0 | howdy |
| 07:41.14 | zeeble | Coke: http://www.starnet.com/ |
| 07:41.26 | Coke | thirst: huh? |
| 07:41.57 | thirst | Coke: you can use a java enabled browser on windows to connect to a vnc server running on a debian machine |
| 07:42.09 | t4m1n0 | I am trying to repeair some or most badblocks on a HDD. Yesterday here I was pointed to look seatools program. But I don't understand quite of it. What is variable here: SeaTools Enterprise [-option][variable][device] |
| 07:42.13 | Coke | I try starting it with vncserver :1 it says it's starting but the logfile is empty and there's no server. |
| 07:42.25 | Coke | thirst: I'd rather download a VNC client than Java. |
| 07:42.38 | socialist | Coke: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/dtg/attarchive/vnc/xvnc.html |
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| 07:42.54 | socialist | Coke: http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ |
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| 07:43.08 | Coke | When I try to start the vnc server directly with Xrealvnc :1 it gives me "Couldn't open RGB_DB '/usr/lib/X11/rgb'" and then segfaults. |
| 07:43.09 | t4m1n0 | howdy |
| 07:43.19 | t4m1n0 | I am trying to repeair some or most badblocks on a HDD. Yesterday here I was pointed to look seatools program. But I don't understand quite of it. What is variable here: SeaTools Enterprise [-option][variable][device] |
| 07:43.57 | t4m1n0 | I know device is /dev/hdd1 in my case, but don't know what ist variable |
| 07:44.07 | t4m1n0 | ist=is |
| 07:45.12 | DustyBin | how can i list all the packages i have installed on my system? |
| 07:45.26 | zeeble | dpkg -l | grep ii |
| 07:45.26 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep ii |
| 07:45.49 | DustyBin | thanks |
| 07:45.52 | Coke | OmnipotentEntity: Xrealvnc segfaults on startup, that is the problem. |
| 07:46.30 | socialist | Coke: there are quite a few VNC implementations you can try, there is a list here: http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ |
| 07:46.34 | ghatak_mobile | Hi, where is the hostname set for a system, when i run 'hostname' i get, ghatak.mydomain.com. i only want it to return ghatak |
| 07:46.55 | Eulex | /etc/hostname |
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| 07:47.28 | ghatak_mobile | Eulex: that is already set correctly |
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| 07:47.42 | ghatak_mobile | Eulex: i dont know where it is getting mydomain.com bit |
| 07:47.49 | Coke | socialist: I'd like to use one that comes with Debian |
| 07:48.01 | Coke | I've found two so far, the vncserver package and the tighvncserver. |
| 07:48.04 | Coke | tight |
| 07:48.11 | Eulex | odd. did you re-login (maybe you even need to restart?) since you set it correctly? |
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| 07:49.14 | thirst | ghatak_mobile: try "grep -ir mydomain /etc/network/* " |
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| 07:51.38 | DustyBin | i want to make my computer dual boot with debian etch + slackware 12, i have used 3 partitions on my hard drive for debian etch, how can i make more partitions for slackware if i only have 1 spare partition left? |
| 07:51.59 | DustyBin | is there a limit of 4 partitions? |
| 07:52.57 | DustyBin | or can i used 'extended' partitions to make more for slackware? |
| 07:53.13 | kaper | I want to stop sound beep beep when I wriet $apt then tape. what should I do? please it annoys me |
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| 07:53.27 | Coke | Yay! tightvncserver works like a charm. |
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| 07:53.42 | Bogus8 | anyone has a password set up in azureus... what does it do and how does it work? |
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| 07:54.05 | Bogus8 | I set one up via the GUI on my laptop to test and it just wouldn't start properly... came up with the updater but never opened the GUI |
| 07:54.13 | Bogus8 | but it was running and I could access it via webUI |
| 07:54.23 | Bogus8 | never asked for a pass or anything |
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| 07:56.02 | socialist | kaper: $apt then tape? wth does that mean |
| 07:56.16 | kaper | when I type command |
| 07:56.23 | kaper | apt <<< then tape |
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| 07:56.42 | kaper | it has sound beep beep because it has apt-get aptitude .... |
| 07:56.49 | kaper | understand my question? |
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| 07:57.23 | socialist | kaper: http://www.arsgeek.com/?p=484 |
| 07:59.06 | kaper | thank you I got the answer |
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| 08:07.51 | pif | hi, any bitchx user here? |
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| 08:07.58 | pif | I'm trying to grab urls |
| 08:08.23 | pif | I set http_grab to "on" but then how do I use grab'ed url's ? |
| 08:08.44 | socialist | I think it writes them to a file |
| 08:08.54 | socialist | been a while, I don't remember exactly |
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| 08:09.47 | pif | socialist : hmm, looking in my ~/.Bitchx nothing there |
| 08:09.55 | socialist | ugh I dunno |
| 08:10.26 | _nixMan | is debian a flavor of linux? |
| 08:10.44 | socialist | yes |
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| 08:11.09 | DustyBin | _nixMan: http://futurist.se/gldt/ldt75.png |
| 08:11.14 | socialist | that's a weird question |
| 08:11.27 | Eulex | well, linux is a kernel. debian is a linux distribution, containing a linux kernel. |
| 08:11.38 | t4m1n0 | if I do: fdisk -l to see what is what HDD I get: /dev/hdd1 1 4998 40146403+ 83 Linux |
| 08:11.47 | t4m1n0 | what IS SCSSI disk? |
| 08:11.56 | t4m1n0 | A SCSI device name is required |
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| 08:12.17 | socialist | /dev/hdd is not scsi, it's IDE |
| 08:13.00 | t4m1n0 | well: what is SCSII then |
| 08:13.13 | Shisui | Nitro tha CiMien |
| 08:13.35 | t4m1n0 | or, whre cna I get this name of my HDD ? |
| 08:13.43 | _nixMan | t4m1n0: /dev/sdX |
| 08:14.23 | t4m1n0 | tnx: _nixMan |
| 08:14.23 | _nixMan | tnx? |
| 08:14.23 | socialist | (thanks) |
| 08:14.26 | _nixMan | ooooohhh |
| 08:14.32 | _nixMan | yw |
| 08:14.46 | socialist | lts al tlk in abbrvtns |
| 08:14.55 | _nixMan | haha |
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| 08:15.11 | t4m1n0 | what is a problem here hm hm |
| 08:15.19 | fantastik | Does someone here use icedove to read rss feeds?? |
| 08:15.52 | _nixMan | nope |
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| 08:19.06 | Bogus8 | how come when I do `shutdown now` it goes into "maintenance mode" and ask for root's pass.. I want it to shutdown completely |
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| 08:19.51 | cahoot | typo for shutdown -h now? |
| 08:20.46 | Bogus8 | cahoot: I have never put in the -h ever so I'm sure I wouldn't do it on accident |
| 08:21.11 | Bogus8 | or are you saying I SHOULD... but I have never done that before with other distro's |
| 08:21.32 | cahoot | Bogus8, could look at the man page |
| 08:21.43 | xand | Bogus8: yes, you need -h |
| 08:21.44 | Bogus8 | cahoot: that would make WAY too much sense :p |
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| 08:22.24 | Bogus8 | hmm.. I see that... I don't think I have ever used that before... oh well.. live and learn I guess |
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| 08:23.35 | socialist | Bogus8: by default, shutdown goes to single-user mode, if you want system halt, add "-h" or "-i 0" |
| 08:23.41 | Bogus8 | oh another quick question.. what is the bare minimum to download pop3 email and then forward it back out via smtp? (my ISP's account for example) |
| 08:24.04 | Bogus8 | socialist: I guess I was mistaken... I see that.. or maybe it got aliased and I forgot or didn't know |
| 08:24.25 | socialist | Bogus8: fetchmail+procmail? |
| 08:24.52 | Bogus8 | socialist: I've never messed with email at the CLI level except for Pine a long time ago |
| 08:25.14 | Bogus8 | I just want to be able to bounce email to another email address given certain criterior |
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| 08:25.32 | socialist | Bogus8: fetchmail+procmail+sendemail at worst |
| 08:26.00 | Bogus8 | socialist: so procmail might be able to send the email out also or would that be handed back off to fetchmail |
| 08:26.00 | socialist | can't do it on the server? |
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| 08:26.25 | Bogus8 | socialist: probably but I want to set up different rules and for multiple accounts |
| 08:26.28 | socialist | fetchmail downloads, procmail examines, sendmail is just a nice little perl script that sends email |
| 08:26.56 | socialist | I'm sure there are more modern apps that can do it too |
| 08:27.17 | socialist | just go googling for fetchmail/procmail, you'll unearth some howtos probly |
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| 08:32.25 | frimjon | Hey guys. |
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| 08:33.32 | frimjon | I'm a bit confused. If I have Etch, is "deb http://whatever/debian/ etch main" to Sarge's "deb http://whatever/debian/ stable main"? |
| 08:33.35 | Bogus8 | socialist: thanks mate |
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| 08:33.54 | frimjon | I'm talking about /etc/apt/sources.list, by the way. |
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| 08:34.27 | xand | frimjon: etch is the same as stable. previously sarge was the same as stable. |
| 08:34.29 | liable | Roy_M: eww, i doubt ubuntu server is going to help you |
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| 08:36.25 | frimjon | xand: I see. Would this mean that if I were to make testing entries there, would they be the next version up relative of my system (i.e., Lenny)? |
| 08:36.39 | frimjon | s/relative of/relative to/ |
| 08:37.08 | Bogus8 | why is stable java ver. 1.5? |
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| 08:37.22 | Bogus8 | isn't it 1.6 now? |
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| 08:38.36 | xand | frimjon: testing isn't relative to your system, it's what the current testing version is |
| 08:39.06 | frimjon | xand: I see. That's pretty logical anyways. Thanks a lot for the info, xand! |
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| 08:40.54 | socialist | Bogus8: no problem |
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| 08:46.30 | Roy_M | laible: why is that? I recently installed it and everything seems to be working fine so far. |
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| 08:47.43 | Eulex | can I make ls list the file size of the file a symlink links to, instead of the size the symlink file is? |
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| 08:48.20 | liable | Roy_M: ok, good. just not seeing why a change of distros with the same hardware support would help your cause, but if it works, thats all that counts |
| 08:48.32 | Eulex | nvm. -H is what I want |
| 08:49.02 | cahoot | -L ? |
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| 08:49.34 | E-bola | Hmm big problem, i got a bad hdd, and the root fs is remounted ro, and i cant use any of the /usr/bin utilities to copy out some important data |
| 08:49.43 | Eulex | doh, stupid me, tested -H on something that wasn't a symlink |
| 08:49.58 | Eulex | cahoot, thanks, seems like what I want |
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| 08:51.24 | Roy_M | liable: I know i was thinking the same thing :) |
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| 08:51.53 | suppaman | hello |
| 08:52.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | Okay, I installed ndiswrapper and the windows driver, but knetworkmanager isn't picking up any networks and the AP is 10cm from the laptop :// |
| 08:52.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | :/ * |
| 08:52.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | What am I doing wrong? |
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| 08:54.02 | frimjon | It doesn't seem to matter what I set APT::Cache-Limit to, MMap still runs out of room. Odd, isn't it? |
| 08:54.26 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: didnt get the wil driver working? |
| 08:54.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | It seems to be working - KDE can detect the wifi card |
| 08:54.48 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: first thing is to check dmesg output |
| 08:54.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | but It doesn't see the AP that's right next to it |
| 08:55.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | oh shite! |
| 08:55.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | "scanning failed" galore |
| 08:55.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | ndiswrapper 9d |
| 08:55.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oops, accidently hit enter |
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| 08:56.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | I meant to write: ndiswrapper (set_scan:1157): scanning failed (C0030001) |
| 08:56.28 | suppaman | !dpkg wifi |
| 08:56.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | dmesg is filled with that |
| 08:57.09 | suppaman | anyone using irssi |
| 08:57.09 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: did you abandon your attempt at getting iwl working? |
| 08:57.10 | suppaman | ? |
| 08:57.14 | liable | no |
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| 08:57.30 | liable | noone uses irssi at all |
| 08:57.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable: No, someone pointed me to to an ubuntu forums post that talks about ndiswrapper |
| 08:57.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | [08:21] <thirst> DA-Laptop: try reading this http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-471794.html |
| 08:57.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | I followed that |
| 08:58.01 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: why use ndis when you have a native driver? |
| 08:58.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | dunno |
| 08:58.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | I just followed that post |
| 08:58.19 | suppaman | liable: someone does |
| 08:58.40 | suppaman | what package is lspci into ? |
| 08:58.49 | suppaman | apt-cache cannot find it |
| 08:58.57 | suppaman | I'm on stable |
| 08:58.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | So how do I get the Intel 4965 working without ndis, liable? |
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| 08:59.42 | liable | suppaman: irssi-text |
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| 09:00.06 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: you have the 22 source installed right? |
| 09:00.20 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: how far down that road did you travel? |
| 09:00.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't recall, sorry |
| 09:00.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hold on, I'll connect the laptop to eth, and use IRC there, ok? |
| 09:00.57 | liable | sure |
| 09:02.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | Connecting |
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| 09:02.14 | DA-Laptop | Ok |
| 09:02.18 | DA-Laptop | What do I do? |
| 09:03.14 | DA-Laptop | liable? |
| 09:03.23 | liable | DA-Laptop: apt-get install linux-headers`uname -r` |
| 09:03.30 | liable | DA-Laptop: patience grasshopper |
| 09:04.00 | DA-Laptop | are you calling me an insect?! |
| 09:04.03 | DA-Laptop | :P |
| 09:04.21 | suppaman | liable: what's about irssi-text ? |
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| 09:04.29 | liable | DA-Laptop: i am going to experiment with you to see what works, so this may be a bit of a circuitious help |
| 09:04.32 | DA-Laptop | linux-headers-2.6.22-1-amd64 is already the newest version. |
| 09:04.43 | liable | suppaman: you ave sarge or etch? |
| 09:04.51 | DA-Laptop | Yeah, I was kidding, liable |
| 09:04.51 | suppaman | good question |
| 09:05.09 | liable | DA-Laptop: ok, get the 1.0.0-1 package of iwlwifi |
| 09:05.21 | suppaman | etch |
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| 09:05.39 | liable | suppaman: then irssi should be the package you install |
| 09:06.39 | t4m1n0 | what is a simple ftp program for making an ftp sersver |
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| 09:07.09 | suppaman | liable: I don't understand why you said me that, I've already installed irssi |
| 09:07.20 | dfldf | hellowz, anyone know if it's possible to use an external dhcp server to assign ip addresses to pptp clients ? |
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| 09:07.39 | liable | suppaman: you said apt-cache cant find it... |
| 09:07.46 | DA-Laptop | liable: http://paste.debian.net/34748 <-- :( |
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| 09:09.04 | liable | DA-Laptop: ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build |
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| 09:09.32 | Crypticfortune | what's a handy spreadsheet-like program other than openoffice? |
| 09:09.38 | DA-Laptop | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 2007-08-13 09:17 /lib/modules/2.6.22-1-amd64/build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-1-amd64 |
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| 09:10.05 | DA-Laptop | Crypticfortune: KOffice's equivalent? |
| 09:10.20 | liable | DA-Laptop: and the same for the source dir please |
| 09:10.24 | suppaman | liable: no that sentence was referring to lspci |
| 09:10.29 | DA-Laptop | Crypticfortune: KSpread |
| 09:10.50 | DA-Laptop | liable: The source of what? Linux, iwl? |
| 09:10.52 | liable | suppaman: ignore me then, you started talking about irssi and apt-cache not finding something.. |
| 09:11.03 | Crypticfortune | DA-Laptop: ugh, that's another heavyweight one... |
| 09:11.05 | liable | DA-Laptop: s/build/source/ in that last command |
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| 09:11.30 | suppaman | liable: I placed two separate questions, that's not that uncommon.. |
| 09:11.59 | liable | suppaman: so, as i said, ignore me, common mistake.. |
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| 09:12.06 | suppaman | :-) |
| 09:12.07 | DA-Laptop | liable: ls: /lib/modules/2.6.22-1-amd64/source: No such file or directory and Liberty:/home/darkapostrophe# ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/source |
| 09:12.16 | DA-Laptop | liable: Maybe I misunderstood... |
| 09:12.30 | liable | DA-Laptop: nope, thats what i wanted |
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| 09:12.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | ok |
| 09:13.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | Crypticfortune: Sorry, don't know of any other free software ones |
| 09:13.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | Maybe Sun's StarOffice? (Proprietary payware) |
| 09:14.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | Crypticfortune: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Linux_office_suite_software |
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| 09:15.30 | Lauer | hey, I want to see what files an installed packages have placed, but the dpkg -c <packagename>, gives "no such file" |
| 09:15.32 | liable | DA-Laptop: gimme five, i need to have a reaquant myself with the iwl source packages, i have been using the wireless-dev kernel, so havent built from the tarball for a while. |
| 09:15.43 | DA-Laptop | liable: No probs |
| 09:16.08 | suppaman | I think I won't have any luck with a Broadcom BCM4306 chipset and a ppc computer |
| 09:16.11 | Crypticfortune | Dark_Apostrophe: handy page, but i was hoping someone knew of a non-suite spreadsheet like stuff. but spreadsheets are i guess by definition bulky... |
| 09:16.18 | suppaman | ndiswrapper is i386 only |
| 09:16.45 | frimjon | Is there a way to see where to find a certain package for debian. |
| 09:17.04 | Lauer | can I use aplitude or some other program to get the information? |
| 09:17.21 | suppaman | frimjon: a certain package ? maybe google |
| 09:17.25 | Lauer | aptitude |
| 09:17.39 | suppaman | frimjon: or do you mean searching via apt-cache ? |
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| 09:18.53 | larco | hello, whats wrong with this command in crontab: 30 4 * * * root /sbin/backup-dayly 2>&1 ; the command works if i run it from console, the cron is up and running.. any ideea ? |
| 09:19.28 | suppaman | root ? |
| 09:19.53 | frimjon | suppaman: It really doesn't matter. I just have this package called "unarj" for which I'm unable to find the repository. |
| 09:19.58 | Lauer | larco, didn't you created the line in the root crontab? |
| 09:20.11 | larco | it's in /etc/crontab |
| 09:20.12 | suppaman | apt-cache --policy ? |
| 09:20.26 | Lauer | larco, crontab -e -u root |
| 09:20.32 | suppaman | frimjon: wait, you say you have "this package", what do you mean exactly ? |
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| 09:20.47 | liable | DA-Laptop: ok, do you have the kernel source in /usr/src ? |
| 09:21.02 | suppaman | larco: that "root" doesn't make any sense to me |
| 09:21.12 | XPSlammer | larco: you are probably not calling a binary with the full path in your script. cron doesn't have a path unless one is explicitly set. |
| 09:21.25 | Lauer | suppaman, its the user which have to run the script... I think |
| 09:22.33 | Lauer | suppaman, do you how to find information about a packages, such as what files its install? |
| 09:22.45 | suppaman | Lauer: me too but I never used the user information in my crontab's entries |
| 09:22.49 | DA-Laptop | liable: http://paste.debian.net/34749 |
| 09:22.51 | liable | DA-Laptop: looks like we are going to have to do this the hard way |
| 09:22.52 | suppaman | Lauer: dpkg |
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| 09:23.14 | Lauer | suppaman, I have tried dpkg -c otrs2, but get a "no such file" |
| 09:23.21 | larco | XPSlammer: could be a typo, i will check the script |
| 09:23.32 | suppaman | Lauer: but you already have the unarj package installed and want to know where it came from and what it provides or do you have unarj.deb and want to know if a repository provides it ? |
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| 09:24.01 | Lauer | unarj? its was for frimjon i think :) |
| 09:24.06 | DA-Laptop | liable: meaning? |
| 09:24.07 | suppaman | oh sorry |
| 09:24.12 | suppaman | Lauer: you're right |
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| 09:24.47 | Nazcafan | hi |
| 09:24.48 | liable | DA-Laptop: cd /usr/src; tar jxf linux-source-2.6.22.tar.bz2 |
| 09:25.01 | suppaman | Lauer: Lauer was otrs2 a deb package ? |
| 09:25.05 | Nazcafan | I am having a strange behaviour with a sony vaio computer |
| 09:25.07 | Lauer | yes it is |
| 09:25.08 | suppaman | frimjon: still there ? |
| 09:25.11 | Lauer | I have just installed it |
| 09:25.17 | suppaman | dpkg -L then |
| 09:25.17 | dpkg | ii then 3.8-11.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 09:25.33 | suppaman | Lauer: use dpkg -L |
| 09:25.35 | Lauer | dpkg -l otrs2 gives a fine result |
| 09:25.35 | dpkg | No packages found matching otrs2 gives a fine result |
| 09:25.40 | DA-Laptop | liable: Now what? |
| 09:25.55 | Nazcafan | when I boot with a non bootable cd inserted, the grub is loaded but does not seem to find nor the splash image neither the kernel |
| 09:26.03 | Lauer | dpkg -l otrs2 |
| 09:26.04 | dpkg | ii otrs2 1.2-3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 09:26.06 | Lauer | :) |
| 09:26.10 | suppaman | Lauer: no, -L |
| 09:26.19 | Lauer | yes I know, its work, thanks |
| 09:26.24 | suppaman | ok |
| 09:26.27 | liable | DA-Laptop: cp /boot/config-`uname -r` /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.22/.config |
| 09:26.31 | suppaman | frimjon: are you still there? |
| 09:26.45 | Lauer | suppaman, I just wanna try the bot :) |
| 09:26.55 | DA-Laptop | liable: done |
| 09:27.03 | liable | DA-Laptop: cd into that dir |
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| 09:27.22 | liable | DA-Laptop: make oldconfig |
| 09:27.26 | liable | DA-Laptop: make prepare |
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| 09:28.09 | DA-Laptop | liable: done |
| 09:28.09 | suppaman | how do I set up alternatives ? |
| 09:28.16 | suppaman | I've just installed another terminal emulator |
| 09:28.41 | liable | DA-Laptop: ln -s /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.22 /lib/modules/`uname -r`/source |
| 09:29.27 | DA-Laptop | k |
| 09:29.28 | suppaman | found |
| 09:29.32 | suppaman | update-alternatives |
| 09:29.48 | liable | DA-Laptop: go back to iwl and try make again |
| 09:29.56 | DA-Laptop | k |
| 09:30.06 | DA-Laptop | compiling :D |
| 09:30.13 | liable | i have a horrible feeling it will fail, but lets see |
| 09:30.23 | liable | oh, sweet |
| 09:30.25 | DA-Laptop | It didn't |
| 09:30.30 | DA-Laptop | it finished |
| 09:30.38 | liable | make install |
| 09:31.32 | DA-Laptop | done |
| 09:31.57 | liable | now get the latest microcode and untar it and put it in /lib/firmware |
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| 09:32.29 | DA-Laptop | I apt-get installed firmware-iwlwifi |
| 09:32.32 | DA-Laptop | Is that ok? |
| 09:32.47 | Trewas | is memory used by integrated (shared memory) graphics card drivers (like i810/intel) swappable? I am wondering because the new "intel" driver is using 256MB without option to override it, and that is a huge waste unless it can be swapped out |
| 09:33.09 | liable | DA-Laptop: no, get the latest from the intel site |
| 09:33.13 | DA-Laptop | Ok |
| 09:33.19 | liable | DA-Laptop: remove that package |
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| 09:34.22 | liable | even finding which version of what goes with what is a nightmare to find out |
| 09:34.40 | liable | stupid fucking split windows |
| 09:34.55 | liable | or stupid liable is a better comment.. |
| 09:35.06 | DA-Laptop | ok, done |
| 09:35.09 | DA-Laptop | now what? |
| 09:35.20 | DA-Laptop | removing ndis? |
| 09:35.22 | liable | DA-Laptop: ls /lib/firmware |
| 09:35.38 | liable | DA-Laptop: and yes, unload ndis (the modules) |
| 09:35.40 | DA-Laptop | Liberty:/lib/firmware# ls |
| 09:35.40 | DA-Laptop | iwlwifi-4965-ucode-4.44.1.18 iwlwifi-4965-ucode-4.44.1.18.tgz |
| 09:36.07 | liable | DA-Laptop: remove the tar file, but thats good |
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| 09:37.01 | newguy | hi |
| 09:37.04 | DA-Laptop | I can't remove ndiswrapper :/ |
| 09:37.13 | newguy | how can i add some programs to my startupscripts ? |
| 09:37.15 | DA-Laptop | rmmod -f? |
| 09:37.27 | liable | DA-Laptop: kill network manager |
| 09:37.27 | DA-Laptop | newguy: apt-get install rcconf |
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| 09:37.34 | liable | DA-Laptop: take down the interface |
| 09:37.39 | mindmedi1 | newguy: for custom commands use /etc/rc.local |
| 09:38.02 | SoulChild | hey all,... which package do i need in gnome, so that usb sticks get auto mounted ? |
| 09:38.06 | newguy | thanks to both of you |
| 09:38.30 | liable | SoulChild: gnome-volume-manager i think |
| 09:38.47 | liable | it should be part of -core |
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| 09:38.54 | mindmedi1 | SoulChild: automounting is done via pmount |
| 09:38.56 | SoulChild | liable: hmm somehow it does not work ,.. |
| 09:39.03 | SoulChild | mindmedi1: ahh ok thanks |
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| 09:39.27 | SoulChild | mindmedi1: it is also installed |
| 09:39.33 | mindmedi1 | SoulChild: wait, no, pmount is just for mounting devices as a normal user |
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| 09:39.52 | SoulChild | hmmm :( |
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| 09:40.11 | liable | so check what dmesg says when you plug it in |
| 09:40.30 | liable | gnome automount generally just works |
| 09:40.37 | newguy | will my system boot without exim4 ? |
| 09:40.43 | SoulChild | mindmedi1: usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage |
| 09:40.44 | SoulChild | USB Mass Storage support registered. |
| 09:40.44 | SoulChild | usb-storage: device found at 2 |
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| 09:40.50 | mindmedi1 | newguy: exim4 is a mta |
| 09:40.56 | newguy | yeah i know |
| 09:41.06 | mindmedi1 | so yeah it will |
| 09:41.09 | liable | newguy: not having an mta is quite silly |
| 09:41.11 | newguy | but my pc does not connect to internet by default... |
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| 09:41.27 | liable | newguy: its still mails you internally with system mail |
| 09:42.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, removed it |
| 09:42.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | Now what? |
| 09:42.14 | liable | newguy: *news from root: zomg teh hard drive is teh suck* or similar :) |
| 09:42.35 | liable | DA-Laptop: so there is no ndis modules loaded? |
| 09:42.37 | indraveni | hi all |
| 09:42.40 | newguy | liable: i know, yet it loops for some minutes at boot time because eth0 is not ready |
| 09:43.12 | liable | newguy: ah, yeah i have had that problem. i cant remember what the cause was, it is very annoying |
| 09:43.19 | newguy | =] |
| 09:43.37 | newguy | and i thought i should just turn it off |
| 09:43.44 | SoulChild | somehow gnome-volume-manager does not auto mount anymore,.. how to fix ???? |
| 09:44.07 | liable | newguy: have you got eth0 set as auto in interfaces? |
| 09:44.46 | newguy | yep |
| 09:45.11 | liable | newguy: so this box is just on the lan, or nothing at all? |
| 09:45.26 | newguy | well it's my notebook actually |
| 09:45.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable: Yep, removed them |
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| 09:45.42 | newguy | and i might want to connect it via wireless in campus, or just use it offline |
| 09:45.47 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: ok, modprobe iwl4965 |
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| 09:46.05 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: paste your dmesg output to paster |
| 09:46.21 | streuner | !paste |
| 09:46.21 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 09:46.37 | liable | SoulChild: he knows the address :P |
| 09:46.42 | liable | streuner: ^^ |
| 09:46.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable: It's not doing anything. I typed modprobe iwl4965 and it just sits there |
| 09:46.57 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: without returning? |
| 09:47.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | Indeed |
| 09:47.29 | liable | i should have known it was going to easily |
| 09:47.48 | themill | s/to/too/ :) ('morning liable) |
| 09:47.52 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: dmesg in another window has any output? |
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| 09:48.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | Actually |
| 09:48.14 | liable | themill: fuck you :) erm, sorry, i meant, good morning |
| 09:48.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | The laptop has frozen alltogether |
| 09:48.27 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: excellent |
| 09:48.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can't switch TTY or even use magic sysrq |
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| 09:49.18 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: hard reboot, see if it does it at boot (most probably will) |
| 09:49.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | Already on it |
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| 09:53.40 | jeremy_g | i just want to install gcc on my debian based box |
| 09:53.49 | jeremy_g | apt-get install gcc just doesnt do it |
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| 09:53.52 | liable | !B-E jeremy_g |
| 09:53.53 | dpkg | jeremy_g: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 09:54.01 | indraveni | I want some help in using the dictionary application in Debian |
| 09:54.06 | indraveni | of lenny |
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| 09:54.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable: Ok, it modprobed now |
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| 09:55.30 | jeremy_g | liable:i dont even have aptitude. if i do apt-get install aptitude i get another set of dependencies. why cant it install the damn dependencies on its own |
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| 09:55.43 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: paste your dmesg |
| 09:55.59 | indraveni | I am nopt able to add any dictionary server into the list of dictionaries always available |
| 09:56.49 | indraveni | when I am tring to connect to the newly added server, I am seeing an error message saying,Connection failed to the dictionary server at onelook.com:2628 |
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| 09:57.50 | indraveni | but for the other , i.e default dictionary site, and dict.org is working fine |
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| 09:57.59 | indraveni | am i missing something ? |
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| 09:58.46 | liable | jeremy_g: paste your apt output |
| 09:59.05 | liable | we could do with a wiki would be a great start |
| 09:59.36 | Shadur | jeremy_g: apt-get should automatically resolve dependencies that can be resolved. |
| 09:59.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable: http://pastebin.ca/659505 |
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| 10:01.35 | Shadur | So if it's throwing up dependency errors, there's something else stuck. |
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| 10:04.26 | DA-Laptop | liable: So what do -I do? |
| 10:04.35 | liable | DA-Laptop: get rid of ndis |
| 10:04.57 | liable | remove the modules, however you installed them |
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| 10:07.32 | SoulChild | please help me |
| 10:07.41 | SoulChild | my devices do not get auto mounted :( |
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| 10:08.47 | SoulChild | :( |
| 10:09.15 | jeremy_g | man debians installing system is so confusing |
| 10:09.24 | jeremy_g | life was so easy with rpm and yum OR emerge and eix |
| 10:09.42 | jeremy_g | i just want to install gcc on bare bone linux distro and cant manually install the dependencies |
| 10:10.36 | xand | what are you talking about, apt resolves dependencies for you |
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| 10:10.50 | liable | DA-Laptop: reboot |
| 10:10.54 | DA-Laptop | k |
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| 10:12.20 | Ast001 | can someone tell me which software do I need to watch tv program on pinnacle tv card under Debian Etch ? |
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| 10:12.53 | CoolCold | hello |
| 10:13.10 | SoulChild | I hate this debian channel |
| 10:13.15 | SoulChild | noone can help me |
| 10:13.34 | CoolCold | while googling last week i met package with similar to cron-apt functionality, does anyone know similar packages? |
| 10:13.51 | amphi | SoulChild: /part |
| 10:13.51 | Shadur | SoulChild: Your question was nearly pointless, less than a step above "It doesn't work". You want help? Give us details. |
| 10:14.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable: Ok, now what? |
| 10:15.08 | Shadur | jeremy_g: apt-get could resolve dependencies automatically back before RPM knew how to keep library symbols straight between packages. The reason apt-get isn't working for you is because you broke something. Paste the output of apt-get into a pastebin so we can see what you broke. |
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| 10:15.43 | tenzind | hi, is there a java runtime for firefox in debian? |
| 10:15.48 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: dmesg output again |
| 10:16.03 | themill | tenzind: aptitude install sun-java5-plugin (from non-free) |
| 10:16.21 | tenzind | themill: thanks |
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| 10:17.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable: http://pastebin.ca/659517 |
| 10:17.56 | jeremy_g | Shadur:yes i rate apt-get higher than rpm system. but its just not working for me. let me paste it |
| 10:18.37 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: better, but i want to see whats in your /lib/firmware again |
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| 10:19.00 | SoulChild | Shadur: you want details, ok ,... USB Stick doeas not get automounted ,.. it appears in dev and dmesg shows no problem but gnome-volume-manager does not mount it ,.. if i mount it manually it works but still i have no symbol on my gnome desktop! what else do u need to know? |
| 10:19.29 | Shadur | SoulChild: Try using pmount |
| 10:19.32 | themill | SoulChild: do you have hal-device-manager installed? |
| 10:19.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable: iwlwifi-4965-ucode-44.4.1.18 |
| 10:20.06 | SoulChild | themill: yes |
| 10:20.38 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: get the .17 firmware |
| 10:21.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | ok |
| 10:21.15 | SoulChild | Shadur: pmount is installed but also doens#t work |
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| 10:22.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable: done |
| 10:22.13 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: where did you get the .18 from? i dont see it on the site |
| 10:22.22 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: ls -l /lib/firmware |
| 10:22.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | The download page |
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| 10:22.35 | Shadur | SoulChild: "Doesn't work" is a toxic little phrase to tech support. What precisely does and does not happen when you use it? |
| 10:22.39 | SoulChild | Shadur: sorry, pmount works and i also see the symbol on my dekstop |
| 10:22.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable: iwlwifi-4965-ucode-4.44.17 |
| 10:23.08 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: the full output |
| 10:23.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable: http://intellinuxwireless.org/index.php?n=Downloads <--- That's where I got it from |
| 10:23.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable: Ok, I'll do it on the laptop |
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| 10:23.56 | DA-Laptop | drwxr-xr-x 2 191127 10545 4096 2007-07-14 23:50 iwlwifi-4965-ucode-4.44.17 |
| 10:24.07 | liable | bah |
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| 10:24.28 | SoulChild | Shadur: but still if i umount and plug it in ,.. it does not get mounted automaticlly :( |
| 10:24.32 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: you need to untar it and copy the *file* not the whole directory |
| 10:24.43 | DA-Laptop | ok |
| 10:25.00 | jelly-home | SoulChild: pmount doesn't do "automatically", but it does allow you to mount as a normal user |
| 10:25.22 | DA-Laptop | liable: done |
| 10:25.35 | SoulChild | jelly-home: i know ,... but i would still prefere gnome-volume-manager to work |
| 10:25.44 | liable | DA-Laptop: show me the money again |
| 10:26.03 | DA-Laptop | -rw-r--r-- 1 191127 10545 191332 2007-07-14 23:50 iwlwifi-4965.ucode |
| 10:26.21 | liable | DA-Laptop: thats from ls -l /lib/firmware ?? |
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| 10:27.00 | Ast001 | I have debian etch,nvidia fx5600 card and pinnacle tv card and gnome desktop.I downloaded nvtv from synaptic package manager but when I press tv on i got blank black screen ... |
| 10:27.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable: Yup |
| 10:27.23 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: good unload the module and reload it |
| 10:27.34 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: paste dmesg |
| 10:27.47 | Ast001 | TV encoder Unknown chip (2:42) |
| 10:28.50 | DA-Laptop | liable: http://pastebin.ca/659525 |
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| 10:29.41 | liable | DA-Laptop: getting there.. |
| 10:29.48 | liable | DA-Laptop: remove the module |
| 10:29.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | :D |
| 10:29.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | ok |
| 10:30.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | done |
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| 10:31.09 | Ast001 | again dam black screen only ctrl+alt+backspace can help me |
| 10:31.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable: Now what? |
| 10:31.42 | Penix | buying (ready-to-assemble) furniture is a double edged sword that I'm tiring of very quickly. in more ways than one... |
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| 10:32.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | Penix: Don't like Ikea's drawings? :P |
| 10:32.26 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: sec i need to find the rfkill switch for the module, do a modinfo iwl4965 |
| 10:32.56 | Penix | I love the drawings. just hate the amount of frigging around it involves |
| 10:33.00 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: is your wireless switch off? |
| 10:33.22 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: is it a real switch or just a key? |
| 10:33.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | Huh? It's a wireless router |
| 10:33.48 | themill | I see that there are new apache2 packages in etch_r1 but p.d.o doesn't show me the changelog for them (it doesn't know about the new package at all). What's a nice way of finding out what's changed in these packages? |
| 10:33.51 | liable | what? |
| 10:34.00 | DA-Laptop | liable: http://paste.debian.net/34753 |
| 10:34.12 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: does your laptop have a switch to turn wireless off? |
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| 10:34.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oh |
| 10:34.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | Not sure |
| 10:34.24 | liable | ... |
| 10:34.24 | themill | !killswitch |
| 10:34.25 | dpkg | ipw3945d will complain about the kill switch. This is either a keystroke (like Fn+F2) or a physical switch that you need to toggle to turn the radio on. When the kill switch is on, the radio is off (odd way of expressing things, isn't it?) and your network card won't work. |
| 10:35.05 | DA-Laptop | Yes |
| 10:35.10 | DA-Laptop | It had a switch |
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| 10:35.22 | DA-Laptop | turned it on |
| 10:35.23 | liable | turn the fucker on! |
| 10:35.30 | liable | reload the module |
| 10:35.32 | DA-Laptop | k |
| 10:35.35 | liable | paste dmesg |
| 10:35.56 | jeremy_g | Shadur: http://www.pastebin.ca/659532 <-- my error log of apt-get install gcc. |
| 10:36.34 | liable | erm, is on off, or is off on? |
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| 10:36.39 | liable | *blink* |
| 10:37.19 | Shadur | jeremy_g: Look carefully at line 26 for the explanation of what's happening. |
| 10:37.22 | liable | just incase i get the urge to bang head |
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| 10:38.22 | jeremy_g | Shadur: yup but 1.why cudnt it itself early remove it 2. how do activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option |
| 10:38.33 | DA-Laptop | liable: http://pastebin.ca/659534 |
| 10:39.51 | liable | DA-Laptop: can you use the same pastebin please, makes it easier for me to just ammend the correct pastebin number |
| 10:39.56 | Shadur | jeremy_g: e2fsprogs is marked as part of the essential base system - and thus, is /never/ automatically removed for ANY reasons unless people activate that option. As to how to activate it, read the apt docs. That requirement is there specifically so that only people who understand what they're doing actually order it. |
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| 10:40.42 | DA-Laptop | liable: Since pastebin.ca is slower, I only use it for large pastes - I use paste.debian.net for small pastes since it only accepts small ones, but it's very quick |
| 10:41.04 | liable | DA-Laptop: progress still. does the iface turn up in ifconfig -a? |
| 10:41.05 | jeremy_g | Shadur:yes that makes sense. thanks |
| 10:41.22 | DA-Laptop | yes |
| 10:41.24 | DA-Laptop | wlan0 |
| 10:41.28 | liable | DA-Laptop: iwconfig? |
| 10:41.31 | Shadur | jeremy_g: The solution is in the apt-get manpage. And I can't stress this enough: be *careful*. |
| 10:41.41 | DA-Laptop | it shows it there |
| 10:41.45 | Shadur | jeremy_g: also, you might want to install build-essential rather than just gcc. |
| 10:41.47 | liable | DA-Laptop: iwlist scan |
| 10:41.57 | DA-Laptop | wait, I gotta turn the AP on again |
| 10:42.03 | liable | DA-Laptop: ifconfig it up first |
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| 10:42.24 | DA-Laptop | ok |
| 10:43.15 | DA-Laptop | Liberty:/lib/firmware# ifup wlan0 |
| 10:43.16 | DA-Laptop | Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0. |
| 10:43.31 | liable | DA-Laptop: no, ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 10:43.35 | DA-Laptop | ok |
| 10:43.44 | DA-Laptop | done |
| 10:43.51 | liable | iwlist scan |
| 10:43.51 | jeremy_g | Shadur:yeah i just set it and nows its fine :) |
| 10:43.58 | jeremy_g | Shadur:thanks |
| 10:44.04 | DA-Laptop | Connected :D |
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| 10:44.18 | DA-Laptop | Do I turn on networkmanager now? |
| 10:44.19 | liable | DA-Laptop: not so fast |
| 10:44.25 | DA-Laptop | k |
| 10:44.29 | liable | DA-Laptop: paste iwconfig output |
| 10:44.36 | liable | DA-Laptop: and scan output |
| 10:44.52 | liable | DA-Laptop: and dont be so fucking fast to use the silly gui things :P |
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| 10:45.16 | liable | DA-Laptop: lets learn you how to use iwconfig first |
| 10:45.17 | DA-Laptop | Ok |
| 10:45.33 | liable | we dont know if it works yet |
| 10:45.50 | DA-Laptop | http://www.pastebin.ca/659541 |
| 10:45.53 | SoulChild | hey when starting gparted i get: Error org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.PermissionDeniedByPolicy. hal-storage-fixed-mount refudes to uid 10000 |
| 10:46.10 | jeremy_g | is it a wise idea if installation of gcc leads to upgrade of the glibc..wont it make some of the pre-existing default distro packages in user space to be useless |
| 10:46.26 | liable | DA-Laptop: and scan output? whats your ap? |
| 10:46.32 | liable | essid |
| 10:46.33 | Shadur | jeremy_g: Wait, did you do a general update/upgrade beforehand? |
| 10:47.08 | DA-Laptop | My AP is a La Fonera that isn't connected to anything |
| 10:47.09 | jeremy_g | i think i started deselect and selected upgrade and it dloaded some files (probably a new package list) |
| 10:47.16 | DA-Laptop | I didn't :P |
| 10:47.30 | liable | DA-Laptop: paste your scan output |
| 10:47.45 | DA-Laptop | working on it |
| 10:47.51 | DA-Laptop | synaptics touchpads are annoying |
| 10:47.56 | Shadur | jeremy_g: Then yes, absolutely run apt-get update and apt-get -uf upgrade first before anything else |
| 10:47.57 | liable | it does show your ap though? |
| 10:48.06 | DA-Laptop | yes |
| 10:48.08 | SoulChild | How can i find out if files in /etc have wrong UID |
| 10:48.39 | DA-Laptop | liable: http://www.pastebin.ca/659544 |
| 10:48.42 | jeremy_g | Shadur:what if i dont really want to upgrade, rather revent to same version of gcc and glibc that is compatible with my existing setup |
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| 10:48.52 | DA-Laptop | MP is mine |
| 10:48.55 | jeremy_g | apt-get compatible-package-to-default-distro |
| 10:48.58 | DA-Laptop | Karlsen is probably my neighbour |
| 10:49.06 | DA-Laptop | Or something |
| 10:49.44 | liable | DA-Laptop: iwconfig wlan0 essid MP |
| 10:50.01 | jeremy_g | revert |
| 10:50.02 | DA-Laptop | done |
| 10:50.10 | liable | DA-Laptop: then do a iwconfig, see if its associated |
| 10:50.25 | DA-Laptop | says ESSID=MP |
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| 10:50.46 | [RUsh] | Hello. |
| 10:50.59 | DA-Laptop | Link quality: 96/100. Why isn't it 100 when the AP is 15cm away? |
| 10:51.02 | [RUsh] | I'm istalled gcc using apt-get install gcc-4.1 |
| 10:51.05 | liable | DA-Laptop: and shows the ap's mac address and signal and shit? |
| 10:51.11 | DA-Laptop | yes |
| 10:51.12 | jeremy_g | i did a apt-get clean |
| 10:51.18 | [RUsh] | I have no neither gcc nor g++ commands in my path |
| 10:51.27 | [RUsh] | So, I can't compile soft I need |
| 10:51.35 | liable | DA-Laptop: dhclient wlan0 |
| 10:51.39 | amphi | [RUsh]: install build-essential |
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| 10:51.59 | DA-Laptop | Ok |
| 10:52.05 | DA-Laptop | Now what? |
| 10:52.09 | liable | DA-Laptop: it got an address? |
| 10:52.13 | DA-Laptop | yes |
| 10:52.24 | liable | \o/ |
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| 10:52.32 | DA-Laptop | :D :D :D |
| 10:52.37 | jeremy_g | Shadur: while installing gcc, i am again getting the same message do you want to upgrade glibc now? why cant it just install a gcc version compatible to my current glibc |
| 10:52.39 | jeremy_g | :( |
| 10:53.14 | liable | DA-Laptop: ifdown your ethernet card and talk to me |
| 10:53.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | The AP isn't connected to the Internet |
| 10:54.05 | DA-Laptop | I'm in the process of hacking it to replace the firmware with dd-wrt |
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| 10:54.45 | liable | DA-Laptop: ok, at any rate, it appears to work, you can configure however you like, and send me much beer in the post ;) |
| 10:54.59 | mesof | gah, back |
| 10:55.07 | DA-Laptop | Give me an address to send it to :D |
| 10:55.19 | DA-Laptop | (Personally I can't stand beer and prefer vodka :P) |
| 10:55.28 | liable | vodka is good |
| 10:55.35 | mesof | yes it is |
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| 10:55.37 | DA-Laptop | Not saying I have any vodka :P |
| 10:55.39 | mesof | beer is too sugary |
| 10:55.48 | DA-Laptop | I'm in Norway - nothing costs more here than alcohol |
| 10:55.55 | liable | DA-Laptop: just to make sure, take down the etherenet and make sure you can ping the ap |
| 10:56.04 | DA-Laptop | Ok, I'll try |
| 10:56.14 | mesof | actually when i buy alcohol, i buy $16 dollar grain alcohol |
| 10:56.20 | mesof | it's the most affordable |
| 10:56.28 | mesof | you just have to ration it properly |
| 10:56.41 | liable | grain alcohol? |
| 10:56.48 | mesof | yes, like everclear |
| 10:56.59 | mesof | *200* proof |
| 10:57.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable: I'm in the router's web gui :) |
| 10:57.09 | mesof | so to say, but its really 190 |
| 10:57.17 | mesof | most of them are nowadays at least |
| 10:57.23 | mesof | liable: look it up |
| 10:57.32 | mesof | liable: there's even internet liquor stores now |
| 10:57.41 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: awsome. |
| 10:57.50 | liable | awesome even |
| 10:57.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable: Thanks a lot :D |
| 10:58.05 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: no worries |
| 10:58.13 | petemc | how can something be 200% anything? |
| 10:58.28 | cahoot | twins? |
| 10:58.45 | mesof | petemc: i'm really not sure |
| 10:58.58 | creature | So I'm looking at automatic backups. http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/#ReadOnly tells me that if I mount something in two places I can't have one mount point read-only and the other read/write. Is this still the case? |
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| 10:59.20 | liable | i have some 101 proof i am gonna crack, wild turkey signed by james russel, 50% alcohol.. i am so going to regret drinking it |
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| 10:59.48 | mesof | liable: this early? |
| 11:00.05 | liable | mesof: the world doesnt all live in your time zone.. |
| 11:00.15 | mesof | oh right |
| 11:00.28 | mesof | i'm actually suprised i said that anyways |
| 11:00.41 | mesof | i have drinks, whenever |
| 11:00.50 | petemc | thats the spirit |
| 11:00.55 | petemc | no pun intended |
| 11:01.02 | liable | heh |
| 11:01.18 | mesof | moreless a fan of water though |
| 11:01.19 | flami | AHhHh an early morning vodka ? |
| 11:01.43 | liable | a bloody mary is as wholesome as any cereal could be :) |
| 11:01.57 | flami | hehe |
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| 11:02.09 | liable | meal in a glass |
| 11:02.26 | mesof | liable: explain this to me |
| 11:02.29 | flami | yes and as it says longdrink itll last for a long time |
| 11:02.43 | mesof | liable: you're more than awesome for always being in here by the way |
| 11:02.44 | liable | mesof: which? |
| 11:02.48 | tim_flatus | I have a weird dpkg problem: The error: files list file for package `tetex-base' contains empty filename is blocking all apt functions, so I can't even uninstall tetex-base atm. I had a corrupted /var/lib/dpkg/available, which I fixed using dpkg --clear-avail and the dselect update, but I'm still etting this errorr on the tetex file list. |
| 11:02.55 | petemc | theres a cafe in london does a bloody mary breakfast cum hangover cure |
| 11:03.01 | mesof | liable: how a bloody mary is as wholesome as cereal |
| 11:03.01 | petemc | it has lentils and shit in it |
| 11:03.21 | liable | mesof: have you not had a bloody mary? |
| 11:03.42 | mesof | i have, but you can't be serious that its as good for you as cereal |
| 11:03.52 | mesof | well i suppose it depends on your conditions |
| 11:04.04 | MangosDebian | bah, so I assume that the recent kernel CVE regarding entrophy means that all prior etch installs to crypted partitions are affected? |
| 11:04.08 | mesof | if you're in an eating mood to say |
| 11:04.14 | tim_flatus | Is this ^^ familiar to anyone? Can I go in with a text editor and fix the file list? Any ideas?? |
| 11:04.19 | liable | i cant do breakfast |
| 11:04.24 | liable | solids anyway |
| 11:04.43 | liable | not saying that i have bloddy mary's for breakfast ;) |
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| 11:04.49 | liable | bloody* |
| 11:04.58 | mesof | i have to do solids, only because i play soccer a lot |
| 11:05.06 | mesof | and need the protein |
| 11:05.08 | flami | yeah fuids for breakfast are so much handier |
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| 11:05.12 | mesof | and carbs |
| 11:05.25 | tim_flatus | Don't bother even thinking about it if you're hungover, however. I wouldn't. |
| 11:05.26 | mesof | it's like painful to play soccer with no food in you |
| 11:06.01 | petemc | food is a requirement for most things, people tend to die in the absence of food |
| 11:06.17 | jeremy_g | http://www.pastebin.ca/659563 <-- its a chrooted system |
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| 11:06.32 | jeremy_g | petemc:you are intelligent |
| 11:06.34 | mesof | petemc: not for the stock market~! |
| 11:06.54 | mesof | jk |
| 11:07.30 | liable | petemc: but putting off breakfast for a couple of hours never killed anyone :) |
| 11:07.42 | petemc | :) |
| 11:07.47 | liable | i just cant eat first thing in the morning |
| 11:08.03 | f00li5h | I have a linux box, and i'd like to expose it's authentication info to a NetBSD box (for use with request tracker) what's the favoured way to do that? |
| 11:08.07 | petemc | i wake up ravenous |
| 11:08.10 | liable | even as a kid i used to have my wheatbix after school |
| 11:08.33 | petemc | f00li5h: nis? ldap? |
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| 11:09.00 | f00li5h | my user details are all in files, can nis expose them? |
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| 11:09.47 | petemc | i know very little about it, other than what it does |
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| 11:10.23 | Cataphract | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade won't install the new 2.6.18 kernel. I've added the http://security.debian.org/ line to sources.list. Is this normal? |
| 11:10.23 | liable | and the ops are the atc controllers |
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| 11:10.44 | liable | the dsa? |
| 11:11.09 | liable | Cataphract: which kernel do you speak of? |
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| 11:11.15 | tim_flatus | Cataphract, yes, you normally have to specify a kernel upgrade. |
| 11:11.20 | liable | no |
| 11:11.24 | liable | its a dsa |
| 11:11.26 | Zombie | Where do Debian Packagers hang out? |
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| 11:11.44 | Cataphract | Debian Security Advisory DSA 1356-1 |
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| 11:12.29 | liable | Cataphract: ya, i am also annoyed by this, it seems to happen with kernels for some reason, the dsa comes out, and it doesnt hit the repo for two days |
| 11:13.46 | Cataphract | all right i'll wait then. thank you |
| 11:13.49 | liable | holy shit, i just did a fresh upgrade and got a quite large upgrade of packages, but no kernel |
| 11:13.55 | tim_flatus | liable, are you saying a dist-upgrade _should_ pull in kerenl updates? |
| 11:14.34 | tim_flatus | Doesn't that depend on having the appropriate psudo-package installed? |
| 11:14.36 | liable | tim_flatus: if its a dsa for a kernel, you shouldnt even need to do a dist-upgrade |
| 11:14.50 | f00li5h | petemc: thanks |
| 11:14.54 | hcy | hey liable, make-kpkg doesn't work for me! |
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| 11:14.59 | liable | its replacing your kernel with a minor version security upgrade |
| 11:15.04 | tim_flatus | liable, understood & educated. |
| 11:15.33 | liable | hcy: i saw you still had problems, it still failed after the other advice you got? |
| 11:15.56 | hcy | liable: i completely erased the untarred thing, untarred it fresh, and copied the .config file in, and after running for a few hours again, it stopped with the same error |
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| 11:16.48 | muep | well... this is strange |
| 11:17.03 | muep | I tried to run docker in etch |
| 11:17.10 | muep | whole system locked up |
| 11:17.13 | tim_flatus | Can anyone think of a more appropriate channel for troubleshooting apt weirdness? |
| 11:17.27 | muep | now gnome can't run hal |
| 11:17.40 | hcy | "the uts release version in include/linux/utsrelease.h "" does not match current version "2.6.22.6.1.3". please correct this |
| 11:17.50 | liable | hcy: i dont know wtf is going on there. |
| 11:18.03 | liable | hcy: whoah, that is not a debian kernel |
| 11:18.18 | hcy | liable: sure it is |
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| 11:18.29 | liable | hcy: 2.6.22.6.1.3?? |
| 11:18.36 | themill | liable: that's make-kpkg with --append to version stuff |
| 11:18.36 | liable | where did that come from? |
| 11:18.38 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know why there is no javac available with apt-get install ?? |
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| 11:18.47 | hcy | the .6.1.3 was just the --append thing i gave it |
| 11:18.51 | themill | !tell rocketmagnet about search |
| 11:19.00 | rocketmagnet | apt-cache search java |
| 11:19.16 | rocketmagnet | ... but it only shows me javacc, and i don't think that's the same |
| 11:19.33 | themill | rocketmagnet: apt-file search javac |
| 11:19.37 | liable | hcy: ya, i saw someone mentioned only numbers, thats not correct, but i dont know why the hell you are getting that error |
| 11:19.38 | hcy | if i cat include/linux/utsrelease.h, it says #define UTS_RELEASE "2.6.22.6.1.3" |
| 11:19.49 | rocketmagnet | themill: i only get javacc =( |
| 11:19.50 | hcy | perhaps i need to uncomment that? |
| 11:20.05 | liable | hcy: have you checked bts for kernel-package? |
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| 11:20.27 | liable | hcy: its not usual behaviour |
| 11:20.47 | freach | is there a command line copy command, which shows the transfer speed ? |
| 11:20.53 | liable | hcy: check also its changelog |
| 11:20.56 | hcy | liable: no, haven't checked bts |
| 11:21.12 | streuner | freach: try "mc" |
| 11:21.13 | PingFloyd | I just saw a new kernel in the repo a little while ago |
| 11:21.25 | themill | rocketmagnet: check that command again. btw do you want sun-java or gnu javac |
| 11:21.25 | liable | hcy: did you file a bug for that image too? |
| 11:21.41 | PingFloyd | looks like quite a few packages were updated |
| 11:22.15 | themill | hcy: did you try deleting the sources and then running from make-kpkg from scratch as I suggested yesterday? |
| 11:22.16 | hcy | liable: i couldn't figure out how to navigate that bts site |
| 11:22.24 | freach | streuner: to much weight, mc slows the copy job down |
| 11:22.30 | hcy | themill: yes i did that and got the same error |
| 11:22.34 | liable | hcy: didnt someone mention reportbug? |
| 11:22.49 | hcy | liable: yes, but it's not aware of a "kernel" package |
| 11:23.01 | liable | hcy: linux-image-blah |
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| 11:23.39 | hcy | liable: how hard would it be for me to compile this kernel the non-debian way and just install it myself? |
| 11:23.46 | PingFloyd | Cataphract: have you tried again within the last few minutes |
| 11:23.55 | rocketmagnet | themill: what are the differences ?? |
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| 11:24.52 | themill | rocketmagnet: sun-java is non-free, gnu javac is free but won't work on all source code as it is still playing catch-up |
| 11:25.05 | liable | hcy: get vanilla source and do so. I am going to install the 22 debian kernel and source and try myself |
| 11:25.11 | rocketmagnet | themill: but no javac found, ony javacc |
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| 11:25.16 | liable | hcy: from kernel.org |
| 11:25.25 | rocketmagnet | themill: so i think sun-java would be the best way to start ? |
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| 11:25.45 | hcy | liable: ok, so i couldn't do that with a debian kernel? |
| 11:25.59 | themill | rocketmagnet: probably, if you are wanting to learn java from scratch as it will give you the least headaches. |
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| 11:26.06 | liable | hcy: compile the vanilla source with kpkg |
| 11:26.20 | hcy | liable: interesting. ok |
| 11:26.40 | themill | rocketmagnet: do you have non-free in your sources.list? |
| 11:26.48 | hcy | liable: 2.6.22.3 ? |
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| 11:26.59 | liable | hcy: gimme half hour and i'll let you know how i go with doing what you are trying |
| 11:27.00 | rocketmagnet | themill: i think so |
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| 11:27.13 | liable | hcy: yes, the latest stable 22 kernel |
| 11:27.14 | hcy | liable: ok, thanks :) |
| 11:27.26 | hcy | liable: i'll wait for you, then |
| 11:27.32 | rocketmagnet | themill: deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 11:27.51 | jeremy_g | http://www.pastebin.ca/659581 |
| 11:27.51 | themill | rocketmagnet: That looks good. In which case the command I told you to use would have told you about sun-java5-jdk |
| 11:28.04 | rocketmagnet | nope =( |
| 11:28.06 | jeremy_g | why is tzbase variable getting the wrong time. i set it correctly http://www.pastebin.ca/659581 |
| 11:28.18 | rocketmagnet | themill: i can pastebin the result if you want |
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| 11:28.52 | themill | rocketmagnet: no, I think you probably used the wrong command.... apt-file search javac |
| 11:29.16 | rocketmagnet | ohhhh |
| 11:29.27 | themill | rocketmagnet: apt-cache can only search package names and descriptions |
| 11:29.57 | rocketmagnet | themill: can i show the latest version available for a certain package with apt-file ? |
| 11:30.14 | rocketmagnet | to check if the latest blender is allready packed for etch |
| 11:30.14 | themill | rocketmagnet: no, for that you use apt-cache policy packagename |
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| 11:30.43 | hcy | brb |
| 11:31.04 | rocketmagnet | ty |
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| 11:31.55 | themill | rocketmagnet: np |
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| 11:33.07 | rocketmagnet | themill: but apt-file search java shows me no results (i've now just installed the package you told me before) |
| 11:33.26 | themill | rocketmagnet: apt-file update |
| 11:34.40 | themill | rocketmagnet: with the extra junk that I have in my sources.list, apt-file search java returns almost 63000 hits... |
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| 11:35.22 | rocketmagnet | nice =) |
| 11:36.13 | themill | rocketmagnet: it's sometimes worth restricting things a little such as apt-file search bin/java |
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| 11:36.43 | MangosDebian | when did r1 release? |
| 11:36.58 | jeremy_g | debian guys, i wanan set the correct time,, i do date -s 'correct time here' |
| 11:37.03 | jeremy_g | and i see the correct damn |
| 11:37.13 | liable | 22 is fuxored |
| 11:37.14 | jeremy_g | but when i do sh -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/tzdata.postinst configure |
| 11:37.22 | liable | who is using 22 here? |
| 11:37.35 | jeremy_g | it says invalid date and shows a wrong time read by the system |
| 11:37.53 | jeremy_g | date still shows the correct time. sth is wrong in /etc/localtime |
| 11:38.09 | themill | MangosDebian: well, a release announcement doesn't seem to have hit -announce yet. |
| 11:38.30 | rocketmagnet | themill: is it much work to create debian packages for blender for example? because there are just old versions around =( |
| 11:38.51 | MangosDebian | just noticed the topic. i assume its todo with the entopy bug for crypto installer |
| 11:39.05 | MangosDebian | which means I also gotta redo my / as well for fsck sake |
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| 11:39.52 | themill | rocketmagnet: it's nontrivial to do. 2.44 is in sid though. I don't know how hard it would be to backport. /msg dpkg backports |
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| 11:40.58 | themill | MangosDebian: there are also some updates to libc6, X, debian-archive-keyring, apache2, tetex... although I'm yet to find anything out about these updates |
| 11:41.41 | MangosDebian | themill: just not looking forward to downloading another 6 dvd's again :) |
| 11:42.01 | themill | ? |
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| 11:42.16 | MangosDebian | binary and source dvd's |
| 11:42.19 | MangosDebian | 3 of each |
| 11:42.25 | themill | but why would you? |
| 11:42.39 | MangosDebian | offline use |
| 11:42.49 | liable | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=434551 |
| 11:43.08 | liable | just for prosperuty, remind hcy of that bug ^^ |
| 11:43.15 | themill | MangosDebian: so how do you deal with security |
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| 11:43.37 | MangosDebian | themill: well, a mirror eventually i suppose |
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| 11:44.18 | MangosDebian | themill: what, you dont download any dvd's? seems kinda foolish to me |
| 11:44.36 | MangosDebian | what moron admin would only rely on internet to install systems? |
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| 11:44.52 | MangosDebian | err, rely ONLY on inet |
| 11:45.06 | SoulChild | how do i remove this programm "disks-admin", I could not find it in any package! |
| 11:45.29 | xand | SoulChild: dpkg -S /path/to/program |
| 11:45.57 | themill | MangosDebian: I never pull anything bigger than the netinstall. We have both a fat pipe and a close mirror. |
| 11:46.18 | MangosDebian | themill: what if your fat pipe is down or you need to install a system without internet? |
| 11:46.34 | themill | MangosDebian: how often do you think I go around installing machines? |
| 11:46.44 | SoulChild | xand ,... wow great command ,.. thank you very much ,... i need this quite often |
| 11:46.52 | MangosDebian | themill: while security updates would be nice as well, they aren't required for standalones typically in my experience |
| 11:47.18 | hcy | liable: i'm going to lie down for half an hour/an hour. still somewhat sick. if i'm not responding here, please /msg me with what you find out about the kernel, so that it won't have scrolled up and out by the time i return. thanks |
| 11:47.29 | liable | hcy: sec |
| 11:47.36 | liable | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=434551 |
| 11:47.49 | liable | hcy: that explains your 1394 issues |
| 11:48.03 | themill | MangosDebian: mostly true. Most users aren't bright enough to make use of local exploits anyway on a standalone machine. I have no standalone machines taht I have to look at though. |
| 11:48.20 | liable | hcy: however i am pretty sure theres a bug elswhere when trying to compile with kpkg |
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| 11:48.42 | themill | MangosDebian: You might like to look at aptoncd for taking updates to standalone machines though. Never used it myself but have heard good things. |
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| 11:49.17 | MangosDebian | themill: ya, still havent found a good way to get updates to standalones though. but i will have to take alook at it. i was mulling over something like debmirror or similar |
| 11:49.18 | liable | hcy: i just booted the 22 kernel and my hsfmodem script (which builds the driver for every new kernel) was looking at my link to my 23 source, so theres something fucked up with that also |
| 11:49.23 | solekiller | say can i use all the ubuntu *.deb on debian? |
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| 11:49.39 | themill | solekiller: ubuntu != debian, so no |
| 11:49.53 | solekiller | but it does = debian |
| 11:49.57 | liable | but, its made from debian, so it should work! |
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| 11:50.07 | solekiller | it has very slight diffrences |
| 11:50.09 | SoulChild | I still need help with gnome-volume-manager: Mounting manually with pmount works ,.. but gnome-volume-manager does not automount USB Storage Devices, please i am trying it for hours ,... must be a package that i removed by mistake ! |
| 11:50.13 | liable | solekiller: dont be a retard |
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| 11:50.32 | themill | !tell solekiller about ubuntu |
| 11:50.38 | solekiller | lol |
| 11:50.43 | liable | solekiller: if ubuntu was debian, why is it called different names, have different packages, and why cant they help you? |
| 11:50.53 | solekiller | hehe |
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| 11:50.58 | hcy | liable: yeah, that bugreport describes what i had exactly. wonder why i couldn't find that. that's what i was trying to do when compiling it myself - disable the new 1394 thingy and enabling the old one. |
| 11:50.58 | Simy | Hello! I'm not sure if this is the correct place to ask, But I'ld like to server a remote page to myself and use HTML to start programs, is this possible without another program, and If another program is needed, which program would have the smallest foot print, or what kind of script would I need? Pointing me in the right direction would be greatly appriceated, as would google terms, searching anything with html has lead me to a lot of non relevent sites th |
| 11:51.05 | solekiller | coz they have anal fixatioon? |
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| 11:51.05 | liable | solekiller: we are sick of hearing that its the same, its not, end of story |
| 11:51.12 | themill | solekiller: goo away |
| 11:51.18 | MangosDebian | themill: besides, i get 60gig quota a month to waste, can't think of a better use than to mirror my <3's distro every 6 months or so |
| 11:51.30 | hcy | liable: and, yeah, i assume there's another bug in kpkg... so what should i do? |
| 11:51.43 | solekiller | dont be so hursh man |
| 11:52.12 | liable | hcy: i dont have a definative answer atm, i need to eat, but check kpkg bugs |
| 11:52.14 | themill | MangosDebian: ahh, now I understand. makes perfect sense. BTW using wget -i might make life easier for you to pull the packages down without you needing to prod them |
| 11:52.14 | solekiller | i only asked if the slight twickings by the ubuntu team could harm debian by installing the packs that is all |
| 11:52.30 | MangosDebian | themill: any idea if the installer kernel was corrected to address the latest CVE for entropy though? or where i would find that out? |
| 11:52.46 | themill | solekiller: no you didn't. You tried to tell us that we don't know what we were talking about. There's a difference. |
| 11:53.11 | hcy | liable: ok, bon apetite... hopefully i'll catch you later |
| 11:53.14 | MangosDebian | themill: well, with vmware i find it nice to also have the iso's handy on the server via http/ftp as well since proxy only cache's 4mb by default here. |
| 11:53.56 | Simy | Could sombody point me into a direction (or even the type of script I would want) to start a program (like XMMS) from a webpage without using apache or any other http server (Just want to use a remote page, like mystartpage.html in my home directory) |
| 11:53.57 | themill | MangosDebian: nfi. Look the debian-security-announce list perhaps. Hopefully some release notes for r1 and an announcement should come out soon |
| 11:54.01 | solekiller | i feel much comfier using debian and i wanted to know if the nice bcm drivers will work on it aswell even the ones made by the ubuntu community |
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| 11:54.03 | MangosDebian | themill: plus this dsl isnt very reliable. so when my nets down, at least I can install whatever I need until its up again as well |
| 11:54.52 | liable | hcy: i would try a vanilla source if i were you |
| 11:54.55 | petemc | Simy: generally, a webserver, like apache, is required to serve up webpages |
| 11:55.07 | hcy | liable: ok, i will try that |
| 11:55.19 | liable | hcy: though i suspect you may have the same problem, but it would be good to know if so |
| 11:55.26 | Simy | you can view a webpage in your own home directory, without a webserver (I dont want access to it outside of my computer) I just want to use it to start programs (like XMMS) |
| 11:55.36 | liable | hcy: if not, its the debian source for the kernel |
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| 11:55.45 | liable | hcy: if so, its kpkg |
| 11:55.52 | themill | solekiller: so you're not just trolling? that's nice.... A tip for your next visit then, don't ask generic questions that sound awfully like trolling, ask specific questions that we can help with. What is your specific question about bcm under debian. (Hint: don't mention the U word) |
| 11:56.00 | hcy | liable: heh, ok. and i can use my .config with the vanilla source, correct? |
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| 11:56.33 | liable | hcy: yep, you may get a question or two possibly when you do make-kpkg, but it should work |
| 11:56.41 | liable | hcy: if you do, just hit enter |
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| 11:56.51 | hcy | liable: k. no need to menuconfig again, right? |
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| 11:57.13 | leOn | hello all |
| 11:57.16 | Simy | Is there any way to use a hyperlink in HTML to start a program? |
| 11:57.55 | solekiller | hehehe U word (i should really use only debian) anyways , i tryed to install my dell 1390 wi-fi under several unix distros , slackware(BAD idea) debian (cool helpfull yet didnt find a howto) U,os (found a howto now im willing to go back to debian coz i like it so much more) |
| 11:58.07 | leOn | i've just discovered in an etch installation that multiple passdb backend support was removed in 3.0.23 ... is this a debian only thing or was it changed by the samba team itself? |
| 11:58.20 | MangosDebian | themill: seems dondelelcaro set topic at 2007-08-15 20:47:52 |
| 11:58.23 | MangosDebian | (EST) |
| 11:58.24 | leOn | ah .. talking about samba package .. sorry |
| 11:58.25 | leOn | =) |
| 11:58.28 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: you there? |
| 11:58.50 | Simy | What kind of google terms would help me use google to find a way to use a local webpage (without apache or PHP!) to start a program?? |
| 11:59.08 | rocketmagnet | themill: now i've added the unstable deb-src, but how to check if blender 2.44 is available ? |
| 11:59.10 | liable | hcy: not as long as you copy the .config over |
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| 11:59.14 | solekiller | do they have fwcutter and bcm44xx yet? |
| 11:59.41 | SoulChild | how do i install all important packages like Hal udev and other base files ? |
| 11:59.58 | hcy | liable: k, thanks. i got the vanilla source downloading, gonna go rest for a few minutes while that's going. (slow download! only 5K/s!) |
| 12:00.01 | solekiller | coz on the evil U they broke my fwcutter pack |
| 12:00.05 | rocketmagnet | themill: hmm, also with the sid unstalbe in my sources.list i get with apt-cache policy the same old versions =) |
| 12:00.08 | rocketmagnet | =(=( |
| 12:00.15 | rocketmagnet | (i've done a apt-update |
| 12:00.16 | rocketmagnet | ) |
| 12:00.23 | hcy | liable: i'll let you know how i do with it |
| 12:00.33 | themill | rocketmagnet: apt-cache only shows you binary packages that can be installed, not src packages |
| 12:00.41 | rocketmagnet | oh |
| 12:01.08 | rocketmagnet | what command do i need to find the latest versions in src ? |
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| 12:01.28 | vaq | sgp_dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc5 bs=512 bpt=16 thr=8 time=1 count=1024 > time to transfer data was 0.002773 secs, 189.07 MB/sec |
| 12:01.39 | DustyBin | is one allowed to share swap space on a dual boot setup? or would it cause corruption? |
| 12:01.39 | solekiller | <themill> do they have fwcutter pack on debian? |
| 12:01.43 | vaq | How could that be possible when the iSCSI is connected trough 100Mbit switch? |
| 12:02.31 | petemc | it doesnt take much time to transmit nothing |
| 12:02.39 | solekiller | nvm theres the online deb package archive |
| 12:02.44 | leOn | Simy: you'll always need apache at least. to be able to not use php you'd either need to use shtml code or make use of a cgi |
| 12:02.46 | jeremy_g | what the F is wrong with this http://www.pastebin.ca/659618 |
| 12:02.50 | jeremy_g | i am really pissed off now |
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| 12:03.16 | liable | hcy: yikes, that will take a while. sure ping me how you go |
| 12:03.30 | Simy | leOn: What I want to do is just view a local page, not a remote one, and I dont want it served anywhere (and would prefer to not use any webserver) |
| 12:03.37 | solekiller | thanks |
| 12:03.40 | vaq | How could this be possible when the iSCSI SAN is connected trough 100mbit switch?: sgp_dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc5 bs=512 bpt=16 thr=8 time=1 count=1024 > time to transfer data was 0.002773 secs, 189.07 MB/sec |
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| 12:03.47 | themill | rocketmagnet: if you put the deb line as well as the deb-src line in then it will show you. Or check on packages.debian.org or use the -s argument to apt-get to simulate what it will do (which tells you the version numbers) |
| 12:03.51 | solekiller | guess i was trolling without noticing |
| 12:03.52 | MangosDebian | themill: http://times.debian.net/1161-etch-r1 |
| 12:04.15 | rocketmagnet | how can i find the lastest source packages available for a certain package ?? |
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| 12:04.46 | rocketmagnet | apt-get -s source blender |
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| 12:04.49 | rocketmagnet | ups |
| 12:05.00 | themill | solekiller: you were rather... but it's ok. Remember to keep your questions quite specific and do your homework first. That way we can help you most easily and can help more people. |
| 12:05.46 | rocketmagnet | themill: the problem is that there are no binary packages available (i have the deb line also), i need to backport it |
| 12:06.07 | rocketmagnet | and when i do apt-get -s source blender i get no version information =( =( |
| 12:06.17 | themill | MangosDebian: thanks for that. Nice that it's on some random website but hasn't hit the mailing lists of archives yet. |
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| 12:06.40 | MangosDebian | themill: well, its was from /topic on #debian-devel on oftc |
| 12:07.05 | themill | rocketmagnet: bah.. sorry. Anyway, I've got to go now.... another meeting. |
| 12:07.06 | jeremy_g | my debian has become a prostitute |
| 12:07.12 | jeremy_g | how do i fix her morals |
| 12:07.36 | rocketmagnet | themill: anyhow - ty |
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| 12:11.29 | Simy | Ok, So nobody knows of a way (with or without a script) to start a program from a locally hosted html page without using apache and/or php? |
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| 12:12.28 | petemc | Simy: whats the point of using html if its not being served over http? |
| 12:13.33 | themill | Simy: can't be done. It would be a horrible security hole if it could be. |
| 12:13.38 | Simy | I dont want the overhead the server.... I'm trying to make it so I can run a webpage when the computer starts, which will include links to programs people typically use so guests that I allow to use my laptop dont get conufsed |
| 12:13.49 | Simy | themill: Thats what I was thinking |
| 12:14.13 | petemc | Simy: thats what desktop icons are for |
| 12:14.17 | Simy | themill: The only think I can think of is runing apache & php, and using php to start it, and server pages to the local ip 127 somthing |
| 12:14.52 | Simy | petemc: I hate desktop clutter, thats why I use fluxbox with no desktop icons, with a hidden programbar thingy |
| 12:15.05 | themill | Simy: you could perhaps see if there's a kio slave that lets you do it with konqueror |
| 12:15.20 | Simy | themill: I was hoping to use links2 |
| 12:15.43 | Simy | I also am thinking this would be an easy fix for using it in my car (very very easy to change the looks etc) |
| 12:15.46 | petemc | you're inventing problems |
| 12:15.56 | Braindead | Simy: you are not "people". "people" want nice little icons on their desktop. use idesk |
| 12:16.17 | Simy | Braindead: Lol, GP |
| 12:18.21 | Simy | I mostly want to try this on my laptop now, and use it in the car later... basically |
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| 12:18.30 | SerajewelKS | Simy: you could do this by writing a program that embeds gecko and capturing link clicks. i've done it in C# and it's pretty trivial. |
| 12:18.36 | SerajewelKS | captures* |
| 12:18.55 | jeremy_g | why does it complain |
| 12:18.56 | jeremy_g | bash-2.05b# /var/lib/dpkg/info/tzdata.postinst configure |
| 12:18.56 | jeremy_g | date: invalid date `Wed Aug 15 12:16:39 UTC 2007' |
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| 12:19.01 | jeremy_g | its a valid date |
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| 12:19.16 | liable | he does seem to have some affection for you |
| 12:19.27 | liable | stupid me |
| 12:19.42 | jeremy_g | Shadur: ?? |
| 12:19.43 | Simy | is gecko a browser? |
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| 12:19.53 | SerajewelKS | !gecko |
| 12:19.53 | dpkg | from memory, gecko is the rendering engine of mozilla |
| 12:20.24 | Simy | I dont know what that means.... :-x |
| 12:20.56 | SerajewelKS | Simy: it means when you use firefox or mozilla the part that displays html is rendered by a library called gecko |
| 12:21.38 | Simy | SerajewelKS: Thank you, lol |
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| 12:21.38 | SerajewelKS | Simy: which you can embed in your own programs and manipulate. you could probably use perl-gtk2 and do it, though i don't know if there are perl bindings to gecko. |
| 12:21.42 | SerajewelKS | manipulate it* |
| 12:21.49 | SerajewelKS | eh, nevermind |
| 12:22.00 | SerajewelKS | it's too early to type |
| 12:22.18 | Simy | SerajewelKS: you tried ;P Get some caffine in ya |
| 12:22.48 | Simy | Gesh I spelt that wrong, Ok, I've got some ideas written down, and some more google leads I think its going to come down to finding somthing that I might actually be able to do! |
| 12:22.55 | Simy | Thanks everybody for your help :) |
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| 12:25.14 | bullgard4 | What does the letter 's' in pts/0 stand for in the output of the command who? |
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| 12:26.11 | SerajewelKS | bullgard4: pseudo-terminal slave |
| 12:26.17 | SerajewelKS | bullgard4: btw there is this thing called google... |
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| 12:26.45 | SerajewelKS | bullgard4: or you can just "man pts" |
| 12:27.36 | MangosDebian | hey guys, with make-kpkg, kernel_image makes everything I need and headers from 2.6.18 shouldnt be needed since I still using same version correct? |
| 12:28.19 | XPSlammer | MangosDebian: try rephrasing that, this time using more punctuation. |
| 12:28.42 | MangosDebian | XPSlammer: what part didnt you understand? |
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| 12:29.31 | SerajewelKS | MangosDebian: is there a reason you can't use a stock kernel? |
| 12:29.47 | MangosDebian | SerajewelKS: yes, i have a kernel patch applie |
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| 12:30.02 | XPSlammer | MangosDebian: "makes everything I need and headers from 2.6.18 shouldnt be needed since I still using same version correct?" |
| 12:30.02 | tzanger | good morning! I'm using Kubuntu, but since it's a debian backend I figured I would ask here. Normally in Slackware I'd just use Perl's CPAN to grab Perl modules. is that the recommended way of doing things in Debian, or is there a repository of deb files for the various files in CPAN? |
| 12:30.11 | XPSlammer | tzanger: you figured wrong. |
| 12:30.26 | tzanger | XPSlammer: oh? |
| 12:30.44 | xand | tzanger: sorry we can't help with non-debian |
| 12:30.44 | azeem | tzanger: please ask #kubuntu |
| 12:30.46 | themill | !tell tzanger about based on debian caveats |
| 12:31.12 | tzanger | understood, thank you |
| 12:31.21 | SerajewelKS | tzanger: also try "apt-cache search libperl" |
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| 12:31.31 | SerajewelKS | or "apt-cache search lib perl" |
| 12:31.36 | azeem | tzanger: look into dh-make-perl |
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| 12:31.46 | azeem | tzanger: most CPAN stuff isn't packaged |
| 12:31.56 | SerajewelKS | but a lot of it is |
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| 12:32.05 | tzanger | I didn't think it would be, but I wsn't sure with Debian :-) |
| 12:32.31 | azeem | SerajewelKS: only the stuff needed for other packages to work, AIUI |
| 12:32.56 | SerajewelKS | probably |
| 12:33.13 | SerajewelKS | that's still a pretty good chunk |
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| 12:42.19 | nick_ | is there a way to set the default permissions for new files created on the system? |
| 12:42.31 | doublehp | which web server in this case ? low disk space (but, still R/W), low memory (90M), low end (only for personnal use), CGI absolutely required, PHP would be beloved ... Apache is of course out of order, so, is thttpd the only small httpd supporting CGI ? I would like to have PHP ... |
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| 12:43.16 | doublehp | xiq: whats wrong with "pat-cache search foobar" ? |
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| 12:43.30 | doublehp | nick_: yes; somewhere in /etc |
| 12:43.42 | lindenle | Hi have a new thinkpad x61 and seem to be having a whole lot of troubles. Function keys don't work and wireless is flaky with ndiswrapper. any thought? |
| 12:43.58 | nick_ | anyone know specifically where? |
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| 12:44.21 | doublehp | lindenle: same bugs with other systems ? DOS, Win, liveCD ... |
| 12:44.23 | fireba11 | @topic i can't find 4.0r1 anywhere .. |
| 12:44.33 | Braindead | xiq: aptitude search ~G"use::timekeeping" |
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| 12:44.52 | themill | nick_: umask setting in your /etc/bash.bashrc or similar |
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| 12:45.00 | nick_ | thanks |
| 12:45.09 | doublehp | nick_: use grep, search for "perm" and "rights" or "mask" in /etc/* and /etc/*/* |
| 12:45.17 | xiq | doublehp: "apt-cache show gnotime" (note: use::timekeeping), "apt-cache search timekeeping" produces nothing |
| 12:45.18 | fireba11 | hum .. topic says 4.0r1 is out .. can't find it anywhere though .. anyone got more info ? |
| 12:45.20 | themill | !tell nick_ about umask |
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| 12:45.29 | lindenle | doublehp: not sure wiped windows immediatly....you think it could be hardware? |
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| 12:45.32 | Toskana | hi, i recently installed vmware on my fedora, how can i block other users on the machine to use the vmware ?? |
| 12:45.34 | themill | !tell nick_ about dotfiles |
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| 12:45.41 | MangosDebian | fireba11: http://times.debian.net/1161-etch-r1 |
| 12:45.41 | xiq | Braindead: thanks |
| 12:45.48 | lindenle | doublehp:it is pretty new stuff I think it is just not supported in the default tseting kernel |
| 12:46.03 | doublehp | lindenle: when a bug happens both in win, Deb, and Gentoo, then I often conclude HW :P |
| 12:46.18 | doublehp | lindenle: you could try to upgrade BIOS |
| 12:46.38 | lindenle | doublehp: good thought will look for one today |
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| 12:47.02 | themill | lindenle: look on thinkwiki.org |
| 12:47.09 | doublehp | Toskana: remove it from /usr, and push it to ~/ ; cleaner way would be to put executable bit to a group , and only "you" would belong to it |
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| 12:48.14 | jeremy_g | the whole day has gone and apt-get coudlnt do a simple thing as installing gcc |
| 12:48.17 | doublehp | Toskana: thank you for leaving; I dont have at all the impression to talk to walls and bots |
| 12:48.17 | xand | doublehp: wrong channel |
| 12:48.21 | jeremy_g | i am tired of fixing the errors in the scripts |
| 12:48.22 | jeremy_g | http://www.pastebin.ca/659656 |
| 12:48.34 | jeremy_g | first it was tzdata which had a typo |
| 12:48.37 | fireba11 | MangosDebian : hm ... probably not out on the mirrors yet .. cdimage.debian.org doesn't have it too |
| 12:48.44 | jeremy_g | and now this one is giving this shit error |
| 12:48.48 | jeremy_g | i am really pissed off |
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| 12:49.01 | jeremy_g | and you guys shud name this channel birdoffeather |
| 12:49.05 | MangosDebian | fireba11: well, they did say "weeks" iirc |
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| 12:49.21 | jeremy_g | birds |
| 12:49.28 | doublehp | jeremy_g: use stable ... |
| 12:49.49 | doublehp | which web server in this case ? low disk space (but, still R/W), low memory (90M), low end (only for personnal use), CGI absolutely required, PHP would be beloved ... Apache is of course out of order, so, is thttpd the only small httpd supporting CGI ? I would like to have PHP ... |
| 12:49.52 | fireba11 | MangosDebian : just noticed the topic and though i might as well get the new netinstall cds :-D can wait |
| 12:50.03 | m0dY | how to install a Debian domU on a fedora dom0, a Fedora XEN environment i mean ? |
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| 12:50.14 | MangosDebian | fireba11: they also said you can just keep your 4.0r0 cd's and dvd's and dist-upgrade. Not a terrible lot has changed. But for fresh installs i would assume you want to wait for r1 since crypto has nasty entropy bug it seems |
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| 12:50.22 | jeremy_g | doublehp:if i had a choice, i would. but its apt-get that fetches its fuck |
| 12:50.55 | fireba11 | doublehp : why is abapache out of order ? |
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| 12:51.24 | doublehp | fireba11: too heavy |
| 12:51.52 | jeremy_g | how do i ask apt-get to remove all the shitty packages it has downloaded and which now have broken dependencies |
| 12:51.56 | jeremy_g | what a sham |
| 12:52.03 | fireba11 | jeremy_g: try deborphan |
| 12:52.23 | doublehp | jeremy_g: apt-get clean ? |
| 12:53.02 | doublehp | jeremy_g: deborphans will remove ones that are no longer required, not the ones that have unsatisfied deps |
| 12:53.22 | jeremy_g | doublehp:yeah i figured that out. |
| 12:53.29 | jeremy_g | i did use the stables. |
| 12:53.32 | fireba11 | doublehp : try lighthttp ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_server_software |
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| 12:54.50 | fireba11 | jeremy_g: how you managed to have packages with unmet deps installed anyway ? |
| 12:55.01 | themill | jeremy_g: insulting us isn't going to get you help, by the way. Can you provide us with information about how you got the system fubar'd to begin with? |
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| 12:57.34 | doublehp | fireba11: I didnt see it in apt-cache; I think thats the one I need |
| 12:57.44 | jeremy_g | fireba11:i swear i didnt manage anything. i just types apt-get install gcc |
| 12:57.52 | jeremy_g | typed |
| 12:58.08 | jeremy_g | when it somehow got screwed, i did apt-get install -f |
| 12:58.17 | themill | jeremy_g: can you please pastebin the contents of your sources.list |
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| 12:58.41 | themill | !tell jeremy_g about paste |
| 12:59.04 | jeremy_g | it only contains this deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 12:59.21 | themill | jeremy_g: have you edited your sources.list? |
| 12:59.32 | jeremy_g | themill:no |
| 12:59.56 | themill | So why isn't there a security line and a CD or DVD line from the original install? |
| 13:00.16 | jeremy_g | themill:its so annoying to hear it |
| 13:00.51 | themill | jeremy_g: please do not message me. please keep in the channel or use pastebins. @topic |
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| 13:01.45 | DustyBin | if you want to create more than 4 partitions on a disk you need to use 'extended' partition, what is the extended partition and what size do i set it at? can you mount the 'extended' partition? or can you only mount partition what are after the extended partition? |
| 13:01.55 | themill | jeremy_g: your sources.list contains entries from knoppix and also for testing. That means you or someone else who has root on your box *has* edited your sources.list |
| 13:02.28 | liable | DustyBin: you cant mount the container ectended partiton, but the partitons inside it |
| 13:02.30 | themill | jeremy_g: is this a knoppix machine that you are trying to convert to debian? |
| 13:02.34 | liable | extended* |
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| 13:03.01 | jeremy_g | themill:i am chrooted into uncompressed cloop image of ast-bill live cd which uses debian based tool set apt-get, and the rest |
| 13:03.15 | DustyBin | liabe: so if i wanted to use the rest of my hard drive disk space, id set the extended partition size to the rest of the disk, then create partitions inside it? |
| 13:03.20 | themill | ffs |
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| 13:03.25 | azeem | jeremy_g: go ask them then |
| 13:03.28 | themill | !tell jeremy_g about based on debian |
| 13:03.46 | jeremy_g | excuse me for my attitude but i am so tired and frustrated right now after manually editing and fixing scripts |
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| 13:04.24 | Braindead | and blaming debian for a third party product's fault |
| 13:04.41 | azeem | jeremy_g: no problem, just don't bug us |
| 13:04.41 | themill | jeremy_g: If you were using debian we could help you. What you are currently using is a mish-mash of debian stuff and whatever this ast-bill bollox is. And some lenny and some knoppix as well it looks. |
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| 13:05.18 | themill | jeremy_g: If you want to reinstall debian etch then we'll be happy to help. But there is *nothing* we can do to help you in your current state. |
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| 13:05.36 | themill | !tell jeremy_g about reinstall |
| 13:05.41 | jeremy_g | themill:i ll chroot into live debian then and see what mish mash is that |
| 13:06.14 | jeremy_g | themill:i dont think there is anything wrong with ast-bill in being non-debianish, its the package dependencies that are killing it |
| 13:06.20 | jeremy_g | i just want a gcc in a live distro |
| 13:06.42 | azeem | that's fine, but not our problem |
| 13:07.07 | themill | jeremy_g: you might want to rethink words like "mish mash" before you come back, btw |
| 13:07.19 | abrotman | do the mashed potato! |
| 13:07.36 | fireba11 | .-D |
| 13:08.18 | jeremy_g | azeem:you dont even listen to me... |
| 13:08.47 | liable | mmm, mashed paotatos |
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| 13:09.10 | jeremy_g | abrotman:dont say that. :@ |
| 13:09.10 | azeem | jeremy_g: if you wouldn't have /msg'd random people and generally be friendly, people might listen a bit more to you |
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| 13:09.27 | jeremy_g | i skipped my lunch and i am super hungry and potatoes divert my attention |
| 13:09.58 | themill | jeremy_g: you've insulted us, tried to get us to help you with something that has nothing to do with debian, complained, /msg'd people not bots, trolled around and generally pissed everyone off, and you wonder why there's not a lot of help to found. |
| 13:10.16 | jeremy_g | azeem:they already listen, its just that today i am caught in problems so so basic that would not worth other person's time. |
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| 13:10.45 | azeem | jeremy_g: so take them elsewhere |
| 13:10.53 | jeremy_g | themill:wait |
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| 13:11.07 | themill | thanks fireba11.. yummy |
| 13:11.22 | Braindead | I CAN HAZ CHEEZBURGER? |
| 13:11.44 | fireba11 | themill : you get to pic the brand .. we got about 72 here in a 100-km radius .. :-D |
| 13:11.55 | jetscreamer | i will gladly pay you tuesday, for a hamburger, today |
| 13:12.14 | fireba11 | jetscreamer : do i look like wurgerking :-D |
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| 13:12.31 | jetscreamer | brutus maybe |
| 13:12.37 | jetscreamer | or bluto |
| 13:13.31 | jeremy_g | http://updates.xorcom.com/iso/ <-- it says its based on debian live, do you consider this worthy of your channel support |
| 13:13.37 | azeem | no |
| 13:13.52 | Braindead | ahem the zit |
| 13:14.03 | jeremy_g | you please dont talk to me |
| 13:14.08 | jetscreamer | uh oh |
| 13:14.10 | jeremy_g | good bye |
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| 13:14.27 | Braindead | yay! problem solved |
| 13:14.37 | Braindead | bork bork bork I may add |
| 13:15.17 | fireba11 | ? |
| 13:15.44 | liable | brutos indeed, that takes me back a few years, yik yik yik |
| 13:15.56 | Braindead | fireba11: the swedish cook from the muppets |
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| 13:16.29 | Braindead | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Chef I guess jeremy_g looks like this |
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| 13:17.51 | m0dY | how do I install debian inside a xen paravirtualized guest ? |
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| 13:21.56 | madmantm | well, i tried gentoo and came back to debian. |
| 13:22.01 | madmantm | am i crazy ? |
| 13:22.10 | abrotman | am i? |
| 13:22.19 | jetscreamer | for going gentoo or going back to debian |
| 13:22.44 | madmantm | debian |
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| 13:22.56 | madmantm | i tried two times even with the manual and i still had a hard time :( |
| 13:23.08 | jetscreamer | at least 25% or the discussion in #windows is how to fix linux. |
| 13:23.28 | madmantm | i am getting better and better in debian :) |
| 13:24.45 | madmantm | i just want to learn so fast lol |
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| 13:25.23 | davis | madmantm: debian rocks. |
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| 13:25.35 | davis | madmantm: some assembly required though. |
| 13:25.36 | madmantm | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:25.37 | liable | not really |
| 13:25.39 | madmantm | its why i came back |
| 13:25.50 | madmantm | lol |
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| 13:26.28 | fireba11 | imho gentoo is a waste of cpu time .. it might work nicely but all that useless compiling ... :-D |
| 13:26.40 | madmantm | exactly |
| 13:26.49 | madmantm | too me about 1h to get the kernel and everything running |
| 13:26.52 | madmantm | but man |
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| 13:27.02 | madmantm | getting the god damn gnome and x11 killed me |
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| 13:28.30 | piA | ahm either i am stupid or doesnt the 4.0r1 isos arent available yet |
| 13:28.50 | madmantm | r1 has been released? |
| 13:28.52 | liable | didnt know there was a r1 yet |
| 13:28.56 | dald | does anyone knows to say a fast repositor to aptitude? |
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| 13:29.09 | liable | dald: apt-spy is your friend |
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| 13:29.24 | piA | yea |
| 13:29.28 | piA | today it got released |
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| 13:29.30 | madmantm | is there a lot of differences in r0 r1 |
| 13:29.33 | dald | liable : thanks |
| 13:29.34 | piA | yes |
| 13:29.47 | piA | madmantm : new installer, new kernel, read the changelog |
| 13:29.55 | piA | and a lot of bugs got fixed |
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| 13:30.12 | piA | i am encounting a funny error showing me a cpu temperature of 80 C .. |
| 13:30.25 | piA | system is freaking around when i compile stuff |
| 13:30.25 | piA | lol |
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| 13:32.18 | themill | fireba11: about that beer (just been off meeting the boss... beer would be really good about now) |
| 13:32.38 | abrotman | themill: did you tell the boss that you IRC all day ? |
| 13:32.42 | fireba11 | themill : why ? he want's to make you work more for less ? :-D |
| 13:32.58 | liable | abrotman: ahem, pot? kettle? |
| 13:33.04 | abrotman | liable: but my boss knows :) |
| 13:33.26 | liable | abrotman: heh, lucky you :) |
| 13:33.28 | cahoot | even the extent? |
| 13:33.36 | abrotman | liable: my boss knows that i don't konw how to do anything and I ask you guys questions all day long |
| 13:33.41 | abrotman | or something like that :) |
| 13:33.44 | liable | hah |
| 13:33.52 | liable | i almost spat beer out then |
| 13:34.26 | liable | unfortunate timing to be taking a mouthfull of beer |
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| 13:35.02 | AbsintheSyringe | how can I switch from passive cooling_mode to active? |
| 13:35.11 | AbsintheSyringe | I've got overheating problems on etch |
| 13:35.13 | liable | huh? |
| 13:35.21 | dererk | abrotman, lol |
| 13:35.21 | abrotman | AbsintheSyringe: blow harder! |
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| 13:35.24 | AbsintheSyringe | my fan, it seems like it's not working right |
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| 13:35.27 | AbsintheSyringe | :) |
| 13:35.38 | abrotman | AbsintheSyringe: is acpi running? |
| 13:35.41 | AbsintheSyringe | yea |
| 13:35.55 | dererk | AbsintheSyringe, what does acpitool tells you? |
| 13:36.05 | AbsintheSyringe | hold on I'll tell you in a sec |
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| 13:36.34 | AbsintheSyringe | dererk, http://rafb.net/p/lWyVY136.html |
| 13:36.35 | themill | fireba11: my current fellowship runs out in January and our most recent funding application was rejected and there's not really a plan B at this stage... :( |
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| 13:37.45 | abrotman | themill: try plan C |
| 13:37.54 | dererk | AbsintheSyringe, "Fan : <not available>" < Uhmmmmm |
| 13:37.54 | blmartin777 | Need a little help please. If I login as a user a su root. When try apt-get I get command not found. If I login as root all is fine. |
| 13:38.02 | liable | themill: fellowship of the beer? |
| 13:38.05 | themill | abrotman: what I really need is a cunning plan... |
| 13:38.07 | abrotman | blmartin777: are you on a Debian mahcine ? |
| 13:38.12 | blmartin777 | yes |
| 13:38.15 | AbsintheSyringe | dererk, yea I compiled my own kernel, and still pretty much the same, even tho temp. is lower by some 20C |
| 13:38.16 | themill | liable: sounds good... if only |
| 13:38.19 | blmartin777 | I am ssh into one |
| 13:38.22 | abrotman | blmartin777: is aptitude there? |
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| 13:38.30 | Braindead | blmartin777: man su, see the "login" part. and yeah use aptitude. |
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| 13:39.16 | abrotman | Braindead: it should still be in his path |
| 13:39.23 | blmartin777 | But I have the same problem when I try to run other programs. Is su not configured right? |
| 13:39.34 | Braindead | abrotman: good point |
| 13:39.36 | abrotman | echo $PATH |
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| 13:40.52 | abrotman | blmartin777: echo $PATH |
| 13:41.08 | m0dY | how do I install debian inside a xen paravirtualized guest ? |
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| 13:42.14 | blmartin777 | abrotman: this is what I get "/usr/kerberos/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/home/cu3edweb/bin" |
| 13:42.29 | Braindead | w00t |
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| 13:43.38 | Braindead | blmartin777: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 13:43.49 | abrotman | wtf kindo f path is that |
| 13:44.03 | abrotman | and apt-get should be in his path |
| 13:44.18 | Braindead | maybe it ain't debian... |
| 13:44.20 | blmartin777 | I didn't install the system. I am just trying to set it up |
| 13:44.27 | abrotman | blmartin777: locate apt-get |
| 13:44.37 | Braindead | http://cu3edweb.com for instance ... |
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| 13:44.53 | liable | ugh, my trackpoint in this laptop seems to need to recalibrate very severly very often |
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| 13:47.46 | mcgreg | is there a vmware (player) package for debian? (amd64) |
| 13:47.55 | abrotman | vmware isn't in debian .. ask #vmware |
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| 13:49.22 | Toskana | where can i get debian from ????? |
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| 13:50.53 | themill | !tell Toskana about install |
| 13:51.00 | Braindead | long gone, mate |
| 13:51.09 | themill | wtf? |
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| 13:52.16 | themill | the bot told me that the msg was delivered... go figure |
| 13:52.28 | themill | dpkg: lied |
| 13:52.29 | dpkg | YOU WANT THE TRUTH? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH |
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| 13:59.12 | themill | geez... it's even quieter here than #debian on oftc... |
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| 13:59.23 | m0dY | is there a debootstrap for redhat like distros ? |
| 13:59.35 | Braindead | m0dY: debtakeover, maybe |
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| 14:00.25 | pingou_laptop | hi |
| 14:00.29 | liable | i think there may even be a debootstrap rpm |
| 14:00.47 | abrotman | m0dY: ask #redhat ... |
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| 14:00.58 | pingou_laptop | Sorry guys, i am not a debian guys but i would like to know if screen is available on debian as .deb ? |
| 14:01.13 | abrotman | !info screen etch |
| 14:01.17 | Braindead | pingou_laptop: http://packages.debian.org/screen |
| 14:01.23 | pingou_laptop | ok thanks :) |
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| 14:01.55 | dpkg | screen: (a terminal multiplexor with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.0.3-0.3+b1 (etch), Packaged size: 573 kB, Installed size: 976 kB |
| 14:02.19 | pingou_laptop | I told you that I was not a debian guy ^ ^ but thanks for helping :) |
| 14:03.11 | Braindead | pingou_laptop: debian screen on google, feeling lucky ... |
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| 14:03.58 | pingou_laptop | I foudn some shots, but I do not know enough to be able to sort out if the package was available on the repo |
| 14:04.03 | pingou_laptop | found* |
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| 14:05.35 | hcy | hi guys, liable, i'm back... untarring the vanilla source now |
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| 14:07.15 | liable | hcy: wake me up in ten hours when its compiled :P |
| 14:07.32 | hcy | liable: lol thanks |
| 14:07.35 | liable | hcy: i havent looked further into it, i am about to hit the hay |
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| 14:07.51 | hcy | liable: ok... sleep well |
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| 14:10.20 | liable | hcy: kernel-package doesnt seem to have any relevant bugs though |
| 14:10.44 | hcy | liable: ok, well we'll see how this does... |
| 14:11.32 | hcy | liable: this is the command you'd use, correct? make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=.hcy kernel_image |
| 14:11.34 | NightOat1 | CalJohn: hello |
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| 14:12.40 | liable | hcy: for a vanilla source, you wont even need the append-to-version, it will be different than the debian one, so just --initrd kernel_image will do |
| 14:12.59 | abrotman | append-to-version is still a decent idea |
| 14:13.04 | hcy | liable: too late -- should i interrupt it? |
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| 14:13.10 | abrotman | i used to use the date and a letter |
| 14:13.12 | liable | hcy: nah |
| 14:13.30 | hcy | liable: k, thanks, we'll see how this works... |
| 14:13.35 | liable | first compile of a version doesnt need it though |
| 14:14.01 | hcy | liable: oh, it's asking me questions... you say just press enter and use the defaults, right? |
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| 14:14.16 | liable | hcy: did you copy the .config over? |
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| 14:14.36 | hcy | liable: yes. just asked me one question about Rx something. I pressed enter. now it seems to be compiling. |
| 14:14.42 | liable | ok |
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| 14:16.04 | asarch | Hi everyone, how is it getting along? |
| 14:16.09 | asarch | How's the weather? |
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| 14:16.39 | azeem | asarch: do you have a Debian question? |
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| 14:16.59 | asarch | Yup |
| 14:17.17 | asarch | What is the name of the package that automounts CD's? |
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| 14:17.26 | abrotman | some of the DE have their own |
| 14:17.43 | asarch | ? |
| 14:17.43 | abrotman | ivman pmount gnome-volume-manager .. dunno what the kde one is |
| 14:18.19 | asarch | So, there are not an specific one |
| 14:18.34 | asarch | I thought it was *ONLY ONE* package |
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| 14:20.44 | davis | what is a good uml modeling tool which works in windows and linux? Please dont say Rational Software Architect |
| 14:21.10 | loesh | dia O_o |
| 14:21.14 | Braindead | argouml or whatever it's called now |
| 14:21.17 | NicNac | how can I make a website think im using firefox when I'm using iceweasel? |
| 14:21.19 | davis | i was looking at dia. |
| 14:21.27 | davis | i used it before but not for uml. |
| 14:21.43 | davis | let me try argouml |
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| 14:22.06 | Braindead | NicNac: user agent switcher extension |
| 14:22.16 | NicNac | danke :) |
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| 14:23.23 | MBitter | Hi, can someone give me a hint how to get the new Intel 3945 Driver (iwl3945) working under debian etch? |
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| 14:23.37 | Braindead | !iwl3945 |
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| 14:24.25 | davis | argouml, looks pretty good but it true that it does not have undo or sequence diagrams? Is th wikipedia page up to date? |
| 14:24.37 | Vinay-29 | is kde available on debian also? |
| 14:24.57 | MBitter | !iwl3945 |
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| 14:26.05 | Braindead | MBitter: I was querying dpkg for a factoid that in fact is missing. firmware-iwlwifi should do the job |
| 14:26.21 | Braindead | d'oh, etch |
| 14:26.25 | abrotman | davis: it can be used for UML iirc |
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| 14:26.45 | liable | that wont do anything |
| 14:27.10 | themill | !iwlwifi |
| 14:27.10 | dpkg | the latest incarnation of intels linux driver for the 3945 chipset can be found here http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi It doesnt need the evil daemon any longer, but only works with kernels patched for dscapes wireless stack. |
| 14:27.12 | themill | :) |
| 14:27.28 | Braindead | ah! |
| 14:27.42 | davis | abrotman: did you like using argouml? |
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| 14:28.53 | liable | dpkg: iwlwifi =~s#3945#3945/4965# |
| 14:29.26 | abrotman | davis: never used it |
| 14:29.38 | davis | ok |
| 14:29.42 | liable | bah, i can never remember the right syntax for that.. |
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| 14:30.10 | vanne | hi all, any chance there is a 3rd party repo that includes the Device::USB (and dep) perl module? (packages for Etch i mean) I need to install it on a box with a 1GB flash ide drive without devel anvironment... |
| 14:30.21 | abrotman | dpkg: iwlwifi =~ s#3945#3945/4965# |
| 14:30.21 | dpkg | OK, abrotman |
| 14:30.29 | snowbird | whays the best way to share files and 1 burner between pcs samba? |
| 14:30.51 | liable | abrotman: ta |
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| 14:31.09 | msn | snowbird: there is a CD buerner app webbased |
| 14:31.19 | msn | snowbird: google will let to find it |
| 14:31.29 | msn | needs java if i remmeber |
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| 14:31.57 | snowbird | msn do have clue what name? |
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| 14:33.06 | msn | snowbird: google linux web based cd writer |
| 14:33.14 | msn | you get the result on first page |
| 14:33.23 | snowbird | okthanks |
| 14:34.18 | snowbird | cd toast? |
| 14:35.05 | Braindead | snowbird: maybe the second links. ffs google it. |
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| 14:35.51 | msn | lol |
| 14:36.02 | Braindead | linux share cd writer -> first link. linux web based cd writer -> second link. ask TEH google before TEH irc |
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| 14:36.15 | msn | lmao |
| 14:36.16 | LV-426_ | installing a custom kernel pkg produced by make-kpkg keeps yielding an uncompressed ELF in /boot & a current vmlinuz link isn't created... output from dpkg when installing seems lacking as well: http://paste.debian.net/34767 ...? |
| 14:36.41 | snowbird | got it |
| 14:37.07 | abchirk | hehe abrotman :p |
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| 14:38.34 | MBitter | there are no packages with ''iwl' in my list, what entry in the sources.list do i need for it? |
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| 14:39.32 | themill | MBitter: it's in sid |
| 14:39.43 | themill | MBitter: and non-free, actually |
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| 14:40.03 | MBitter | so i have to switch completly to sid? |
| 14:40.39 | MBitter | or is it possible to only get this packages i need from sid? |
| 14:40.40 | bullgard4 | man tty writes: "The full documentation for tty is maintained as a Texinfo manual. If the info and tty programs are properly installed at your site, the command info tty should give you access to the complete manual." What program package do I have to install for info tty? |
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| 14:41.14 | Arwen | how do I make apt install a particular version of a package? |
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| 14:43.41 | exilenc_e | привет |
| 14:43.48 | Ronin | yes exilenc_e ? |
| 14:43.51 | Ronin | !ru |
| 14:43.51 | dpkg | methinks ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 14:44.36 | abrotman | Arwen: man aptitude |
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| 14:44.44 | snowbird | he ronin |
| 14:44.53 | Arwen | abrotman, I said apt. Not aptitude. |
| 14:45.00 | abrotman | you mean apt-get ? |
| 14:45.51 | Arwen | yes, oh wait, never mind, found it |
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| 14:50.57 | RichiH | hmm. my laptop lets me mount xfs with relatime, this workstation does not |
| 14:51.06 | RichiH | 2.6.22, fyi |
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| 14:52.07 | kexman | my friend asked me to download him a debian dvd ... |
| 14:52.15 | kexman | where do i found one ... a stable one |
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| 14:52.26 | huhlig | go to debian.org |
| 14:52.36 | huhlig | click on cd images |
| 14:52.58 | huhlig | http://www.us.debian.org/CD/ |
| 14:53.10 | huhlig | you have your choice |
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| 14:54.16 | kexman | get the current from there ? |
| 14:54.18 | kexman | or r0 ? |
| 14:54.32 | Ronin | from there |
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| 14:54.47 | Ronin | current stable is called etch kexman |
| 14:55.06 | kexman | http://ftp.ro.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-dvd/ will those do it ? |
| 14:55.09 | kexman | i never played with debian |
| 14:56.12 | jetscreamer | all you need it the first one of anything |
| 14:56.27 | kexman | the first dvd only ? |
| 14:56.28 | kexman | okay |
| 14:56.28 | jetscreamer | cd,dvd,net install... well ok not the floppies, you need all of em |
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| 14:56.39 | fireba11 | kexman : if you got reasonably fast net i'd suggest using entinstall .. less download |
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| 14:56.57 | jetscreamer | you can get all of em, but the good/most used stuff is toward the front |
| 14:57.13 | jetscreamer | and what he said |
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| 14:57.54 | jetscreamer | keeps you from downloading, installing, then upgrading |
| 14:58.01 | kexman | fireba11: yeah |
| 14:58.03 | jetscreamer | which means d/l'ing the new one |
| 14:58.12 | kexman | well ill get him the 3 dvds so he wont complain :P |
| 14:58.34 | jetscreamer | if he has net and windows, there's always goodbye-windows.com |
| 14:59.12 | jetscreamer | and i hate to say it, but the ubuntu install cd is also a live cd |
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| 14:59.46 | kexman | thanx |
| 14:59.49 | kexman | byebye |
| 15:00.00 | jetscreamer | ciao |
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| 15:03.34 | LordLamer | hi. i have a not debian linux system as hostsystem. i want to create a debian chroot system. arch is powerpc. so i have tested to create it with debootstrap but i get following error: http://paste.debian.net/34771 does anybody have a idea how to create a basesystem for chroot on powerpc? |
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| 15:05.03 | ixion_uk | anyone know if its possible to run m0n0wall inside XEN ?? |
| 15:05.19 | ixion_uk | I found an old post on the web that said no... but dunno if that still applies |
| 15:06.39 | bullgard4 | How can I transform a file in pdf, bib, trx or xhtml format into the CSV format? |
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| 15:07.33 | themill | bullgard4: pdf and xhtml are likely to be too freeform to use. There is a perl bibtex module that will read it in and you can then write out the csv. |
| 15:07.51 | themill | bullgard4: no idea what trx is. |
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| 15:07.59 | themill | bullgard4: What are you trying to do? |
| 15:07.59 | snowbird | howdy themill |
| 15:08.04 | ixion_uk | oh yeah anyone know of anything that can remove DRM from .WMA files ??? |
| 15:08.10 | themill | afternoon snowbird |
| 15:08.24 | snowbird | whats up |
| 15:08.27 | ixion_uk | pisses me off that I pay 10 p/m and cant put napster tunes on ipod |
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| 15:09.49 | dudu | hi |
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| 15:10.16 | bullgard4 | themill: I made a typo. Substitute tex for 'trx'. |
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| 15:11.20 | themill | bullgard4: ahh... well. you've got the same problem about structure (or lack of) in a tex document to convert it to csv.... a tex doc could contain anything, and you can't convert just anything to csv. |
| 15:11.30 | test | libc6 update? |
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| 15:12.19 | bullgard4 | themill: I am trying to export 4000 records of an OO.o Base file to Kexi. |
| 15:12.25 | Kartoffelsalat | i installed debian etch stable rc_0 (businnescard) as "standard and laptop system", than i added xserver-xorg-core, xfonts-base and openbox. i dpkg-reconfigured my graphiccard (ati radeon 9000 mobility) - but i do not get 3d hardware (glxinfo | grep direct) what can i do? i have an old xorg.conf, but this looks similiar to my configured xorg.conf (not 100%, my new conf has detected my touchpad as touchpad and not as mouse) |
| 15:12.26 | themill | test: http://pastebin.ca/659788 |
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| 15:13.05 | jetscreamer | ixion_uk: it'd be on marillat's ... /msg dpkg debian-multimedia |
| 15:13.09 | themill | bullgard4: ouch. Can't OO.o base export in data exchange formats like tab-delim, csv or cml? |
| 15:13.11 | themill | *xml |
| 15:13.42 | jetscreamer | fglrxinfo |
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| 15:13.45 | Knight_Lord | Is there any emacs command to turn words all to uppercase? |
| 15:13.47 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 15:13.54 | jetscreamer | there's a perl one |
| 15:14.37 | russo | hey guys i have a serial port... and am trying to program a pic? wheres the serial port in linux? :P i'm just not that familiar with it :P |
| 15:14.53 | bullgard4 | themill: No. I have looked it up and could not find the export format which you have mentioned. |
| 15:15.08 | bullgard4 | formats |
| 15:15.12 | Kartoffelsalat | i forgot: i use the ati driver |
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| 15:16.41 | jetscreamer | there's something about ati and dri , but i use nvidia so know nothing |
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| 15:16.59 | jetscreamer | and there are kernel modules for ati dri ii .. rc |
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| 15:17.21 | themill | bullgard4: my goodness... you're right. What a POS. I almost started using it for somehting and I'm glad I didn't. Try these though: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Export_Manager |
| 15:17.43 | jetscreamer | ttyS0 et al |
| 15:17.52 | Kartoffelsalat | hm good idea, maybe i havent installed them . in xorg.conf i use ati,dri and so on |
| 15:18.45 | jetscreamer | but like i said, i know nothing much about it |
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| 15:21.04 | RichiH | !set window manager |
| 15:21.32 | enouf | uh |
| 15:21.43 | enouf | !laptop |
| 15:21.43 | dpkg | somebody said laptop was All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 15:21.56 | themill | RichiH: /msg dpkg listkeys window manager |
| 15:22.37 | jetscreamer | RichiH: /etc/X11/default-display-manager controls it |
| 15:22.56 | themill | update-alternatives |
| 15:23.08 | jetscreamer | i just make copies with all the permutations and alias cp ing them |
| 15:23.16 | jetscreamer | empty for nodm |
| 15:23.23 | enouf | dpkg-reconfigure <your dm> |
| 15:23.28 | jetscreamer | nodm |
| 15:23.30 | jetscreamer | ysgdm |
| 15:23.33 | jetscreamer | much easier |
| 15:23.57 | jetscreamer | all that just to keep it from running once? heh |
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| 15:25.19 | enouf | no dm for u-a -- only these x-cursor-theme x-session-manager x-terminal-emulator x-window-manager x-www-browser |
| 15:25.34 | russo | hmm |
| 15:25.39 | jetscreamer | ? |
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| 15:25.43 | enouf | bah ..lol, i mean dm, not wm, i'm buts |
| 15:25.44 | russo | does anyone know what the serial port is in lnux? |
| 15:25.44 | jetscreamer | no i meant my aliases |
| 15:25.48 | russo | i mean the /dev for it |
| 15:25.56 | enouf | er nuts even |
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| 15:26.19 | jetscreamer | alias ysgdm='sudo cp /etc/X11/default-display-manager.gdm /etc/X11/default-display-manager && echo done |
| 15:26.19 | jelly | how do I test if an entry for a terminal type exists in terminfo db? |
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| 15:26.39 | jetscreamer | i told you eh |
| 15:26.45 | jetscreamer | ttyS0 et al |
| 15:26.51 | wintix | today is debians birthday, hm? |
| 15:26.55 | russo | oh that was to me |
| 15:27.11 | GuHhH | hello, im having a problem trying to umount a device, it says its busy. i tried -f to force umount, but the problem persists. what can be done? |
| 15:27.22 | jetscreamer | lsof |
| 15:27.31 | themill | or fuser |
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| 15:27.34 | russo | jetscreamer: its nice when you highlight :P so that i know if you're talking to me |
| 15:27.50 | jetscreamer | russo: yeah i'm lame like that |
| 15:27.55 | jelly | GuHhH: use lsof or fuser to find out what's keeping it open |
| 15:28.07 | russo | jetscreamer aye thanks mate |
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| 15:28.51 | enouf | heh; u-a --list x-<tab><tab> won't tab complete, must use --config |
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| 15:30.46 | GuHhH | jelly thanks |
| 15:31.07 | RichiH | jetscreamer: thanks! |
| 15:31.36 | Kartoffelsalat | i got the (3d direct) power! :D |
| 15:31.44 | jetscreamer | so what was it |
| 15:32.02 | Kartoffelsalat | forgott the xlibmesa-dri |
| 15:32.08 | Kartoffelsalat | package to install |
| 15:32.11 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 15:32.15 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 15:32.19 | Kartoffelsalat | you was right ;) |
| 15:32.22 | jetscreamer | i might need that for my savage |
| 15:32.33 | jetscreamer | woohoo savage! |
| 15:32.38 | jetscreamer | old lapptop |
| 15:32.46 | jetscreamer | the 3d bites |
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| 15:34.13 | jelly | jetscreamer: disgusting! |
| 15:34.24 | Kartoffelsalat | now upgrade to sid and i am 100% happy :) |
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| 15:36.18 | Kartoffelsalat | btw. i have a question: some people say that aptitude should be used instead of apt-get, can i switch from apt-get to aptitude if i want? (heard about problems...) |
| 15:36.46 | Braindead | Kartoffelsalat: there are no problems. start using aptitude ASAP |
| 15:36.53 | Braindead | the sooner the better |
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| 15:37.55 | jetscreamer | yes you can no no problems mostly the commands are identical |
| 15:38.05 | jetscreamer | just change the word to aptitude |
| 15:38.27 | Kartoffelsalat | ok, i will try it :) thx |
| 15:38.30 | GuHhH | !ipw3945 |
| 15:38.30 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
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| 15:39.17 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 15:39.17 | dpkg | [dselect] a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. see fix-unmet |
| 15:39.21 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 15:39.42 | Kartoffelsalat | dselect is confusing (okay i tried only once ;)) |
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| 15:40.44 | Kartoffelsalat | !aptitude |
| 15:40.44 | dpkg | methinks aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 15:41.02 | GuHhH | hey, to install ipw3945 do i have to install ieee802.11? |
| 15:41.05 | swordlaw | does anybody know how to use the fusermount command for a ntfs-3g ? , the fact is that I need to mount it as writable..... |
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| 15:42.06 | kenji | I have a server with Apache, my Apache do a log-rotate each day but for reasons of space I would like to move the logs every day with cron to another machine, I tryed with scp but it does not erase the logs once copied, can you help me? |
| 15:42.22 | jetscreamer | #/dev/sdc1 /mnt/files ntfs-3g noauto,users,noexec,rw,umask=022,fmask=0113,dmask=002,uid=1000,gid=1000,nls=utf8 0 0 |
| 15:42.25 | themill | kenji: scp then rm |
| 15:42.44 | jetscreamer | something like that swordlaw |
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| 15:42.56 | jetscreamer | change whatever |
| 15:43.04 | GuHhH | kenji: yeah, do a little script |
| 15:43.13 | kenji | :S |
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| 15:43.22 | t4m1n0 | hello there |
| 15:43.29 | GuHhH | kenji: do the scp, then call a script that removes it. |
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| 15:43.52 | kenji | GuHnH and themill: but how can I execute rm from my machine? |
| 15:43.54 | t4m1n0 | where can i get repos for installeing flashplugin for epiphany browser ? |
| 15:44.25 | GuHhH | kenji: make a shell script that does the scp and after it removes the files |
| 15:44.48 | GuHhH | kenji: so u call the script on cron |
| 15:44.54 | themill | kenji: cron job does scp /var/log/apache2/blah remote:/my/log/location && rm /var/log/apache2/blah |
| 15:45.11 | themill | kenji: do it from the apache server not from the log archive machine |
| 15:45.45 | kenji | themill thats the problem :S the archive machine is not plugged directly to internet |
| 15:45.56 | themill | so you need to do it the other way around? |
| 15:46.02 | kenji | yes themill |
| 15:46.06 | lordrich | kenji: $ ssh user@apacheserver rm /var/log/apache2/blah |
| 15:46.18 | kenji | tnks lordrich :D |
| 15:46.27 | lordrich | and copy your ssh keys across so it doesn't ask for passwords |
| 15:46.46 | themill | you should make the keys restricted so that they can only execute a single command too |
| 15:46.56 | lordrich | yeah - that too |
| 15:47.04 | kenji | lordrich: yes I have that work done, but ... I have sudo in the server so the scp can only work for a no root password :S |
| 15:47.12 | t4m1n0 | anyone? what repo do I need for installing flashplugin-nonfre for epiphany (default browser in debian) ?? |
| 15:47.18 | swordlaw | <jetscreamer>: you mean that is what i have to put on the fstab? |
| 15:47.22 | Kartoffelsalat | ou, so late... cya :) |
| 15:47.39 | jetscreamer | swordlaw: that, or just use the options in a mount command |
| 15:47.44 | jetscreamer | or some of them |
| 15:47.51 | GuHhH | kenji: i dont know if it works but u may try to add a user to www-data group or something |
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| 15:47.55 | jetscreamer | change whatever you should chnge |
| 15:48.13 | swordlaw | ok |
| 15:48.19 | jivco | join #asterisk |
| 15:48.19 | swordlaw | ty |
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| 15:48.36 | kenji | GuHhH: xD I don't think so xD the logs are owned by root |
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| 15:49.07 | kenji | GuHhH: but my script could use chmod :P |
| 15:49.09 | lordrich | kenji: give another user permissions to read them |
| 15:49.28 | lordrich | then scp as that user |
| 15:49.40 | Havis_ | Hi, can anyone help me with proftpd? I tried to upload 10GB file on my ftp server and the whole machine froze. I'm using debian testing i386 |
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| 15:49.57 | kenji | tnks lordrich :P |
| 15:50.13 | GuHhH | 10gb? oh god. :P |
| 15:50.56 | Havis_ | GuHhH y :), but it froze in half the transfer. I tried twice and it froze again... |
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| 15:51.13 | t4m1n0 | i am new to whole debian thing. How can I install flashplugin-nonfree, if there isn't any repo or how can I install skype? do I have to change anything in a /etc/apt/sources.list ?? |
| 15:51.38 | SerajewelKS | GuHhH: what filesystem hosts the target |
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| 15:52.06 | Havis_ | GuHhH: xfs |
| 15:52.06 | GuHhH | SerajewelKS: u mean Havis_ |
| 15:52.52 | Havis_ | SerajewelKS xfs filesystem |
| 15:53.54 | lordrich | !tell t4m1n0 about skype |
| 15:54.16 | lordrich | !tell t4m1n0 about flash |
| 15:54.19 | Havis_ | ping |
| 15:54.26 | Havis_ | !ping |
| 15:54.26 | dpkg | pong |
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| 15:55.14 | Havis_ | GuHhH any ideas why the whole machine locks up? |
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| 15:55.29 | ChrisBradley | http://thechristeldahlskjaerthreat.blogspot.com/ |
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| 15:56.12 | Havis_ | !tell Havis about flash |
| 15:56.17 | SerajewelKS | GuHhH: yeah i did |
| 15:56.20 | GuHhH | Havis_: no, sorry. But did u try any other ftp? |
| 15:56.26 | themill | !tell Havis_ about msg the bot |
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| 15:57.03 | Havis_ | GuHhH nope, only proftpd, it worked flawlessly for about 5 month, but today I wanted to transfer one 10GB file and it froze :P |
| 15:57.32 | t4m1n0 | !flash |
| 15:57.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 15:58.07 | thirst | t4m1n0: for skype you can go to skype.com(http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/) and download the linux version and install it. Similarly for flashplugin download it from here http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash&P2_Platform=Linux |
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| 15:58.36 | _ericb | hi all, I'm currently trying to setup 'hibernate' but when I try to hibernate I have error "you need to install a kernel with support for suspending to disk or RAM'. I have a debian kernel (2.6.18-4-686), is there a module I need to load ? which one ? |
| 15:59.09 | thirst | Havis_: i have always found command based lftp superior to any other ftp client when doing large transfers |
| 15:59.43 | _ericb | and is there a way to configure xscreensaver to suspend after a while ^ |
| 15:59.44 | Havis_ | thirst: yes, but the server froze, not the client machine |
| 16:00.05 | Havis_ | thirst: the client machine worked without problem... |
| 16:01.20 | thirst | Havis_: why dont you try using pureftp .. that is the server installed on the machine I use |
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| 16:02.33 | freak | hey |
| 16:02.48 | Havis_ | thirst: i give it a try..., I was only curious why did it froze :-( |
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| 16:04.40 | roe_ | I am trying to locate the mac address of a dhcp server, so I am using tcpdump to gather all of the traffic, and while I am collecting data, I am requesting a lease. I am having a hard time though parsing the data, is this the right place to talk about that? |
| 16:04.48 | roe_ | I'm on a debian system |
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| 16:04.51 | tewmten | so I need to do a dist-upgrade from stable to testing on a server remotely, is there any risk of it breaking down? since I need to upgrade libc and such.. |
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| 16:06.57 | Havis_ | thirst: there is no pureftp in debian testing hmm |
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| 16:07.07 | lampyris | hello |
| 16:07.18 | lampyris | i've a problem with xorg's configuration |
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| 16:07.43 | lampyris | it gives me an error "no valid FontPath could be found" |
| 16:08.08 | thirst | Havis_: pure-ftpd |
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| 16:08.43 | Ronin | *cough* vsftpd ;) ftpd wars |
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| 16:09.01 | arcil | hey. my radeon 9800 stopped working and i put an old geforce 2 mx into the computer. then i used the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to autodetect the new setting. everything works (resolution, etc.) but the display is displaced. on the left corner i have a 10cm long black area. the actual screen starts then and i can move the mouse over the right edge. where is here the error and how can i fix it? |
| 16:09.14 | t4m1n0 | I have problem installeing flashplugin. There is a note: Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, SeaMonkey, or Firefox browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): BUT I wanna install epiphany... and when i put inthere /etc/bin/bin, it says that /etc/bin/epiphany isn't a a directory! How can I install flashplugin for epiphany, or if fot epiphany isnt't possible for fierefox. Please?? |
| 16:09.26 | Havis_ | Ronin *cough* samba -.- |
| 16:10.13 | Ronin | that too |
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| 16:10.43 | svalovic | arcil, try something like xvidtune |
| 16:10.50 | wietz0r | My unicode is not working and I haven't got a clue why |
| 16:11.39 | wietz0r | I mean, it works in firefox, but not in terminals |
| 16:11.54 | wietz0r | Can this has something to do with the font I use ? |
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| 16:12.23 | thirst | t4m1n0: find the correct dir where epiphany is located. for firefox it would usually be "/usr/lib/iceweasel" in case you are using lenny. In my case I have installed flash plugin as a user and not as root, so it installs in my home dir. |
| 16:13.17 | t4m1n0 | thirst: epiphany is in /etc/bin/epiphany correspondig to which command.. |
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| 16:13.34 | various | speaking of iceweasel....i can't seem to get java to work in iceweasel under lenny...but under etch it worked fine. has anyone else had this problem? |
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| 16:13.41 | tewmten | ok I'm so another issue |
| 16:14.10 | tewmten | I do apt-get install irssi, it installs 0.8.9-3, but if I look at packages.debian.org, the latest irssi for stable is 0.8.10-2 |
| 16:14.24 | tewmten | can I get it to use the newer version somehow? |
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| 16:14.28 | thirst | t4m1n0: that is the location of the epiphany binary.. personally.. i have not tried installing flash using epiphany |
| 16:14.31 | huhlig | did you update? |
| 16:14.41 | huhlig | tewmten aptitude update? |
| 16:14.49 | thirst | t4m1n0: why dont you use firefox/iceweasel which is the default browser for debian system |
| 16:14.49 | tewmten | I didt apt-get update |
| 16:15.02 | t4m1n0 | thirst: where is it ? |
| 16:15.11 | tewmten | huhlig: but I just ran an aptitude update |
| 16:15.14 | t4m1n0 | oh i see it |
| 16:15.25 | huhlig | now try installing |
| 16:15.37 | t4m1n0 | thirst: so how do I install flash for iceweasel |
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| 16:16.04 | tewmten | huhlig: no it says I got the latest one |
| 16:16.11 | t4m1n0 | thurst: or how can I check where is some application located ? |
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| 16:16.36 | thirst | t4m1n0: as i said above, the default location on debian lenny for iceweasel is "/usr/lib/iceweasel" |
| 16:16.42 | t4m1n0 | thurst: what's the location path of iceweasel |
| 16:16.45 | tewmten | this is my sources.list btw, http://pastebin.com/mc7b8b7 |
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| 16:16.52 | t4m1n0 | thirst: ok |
| 16:16.52 | tewmten | brb |
| 16:16.59 | huhlig | your using apt-get install irssi-text right |
| 16:17.10 | huhlig | err irssi |
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| 16:17.32 | huhlig | lemmie look |
| 16:17.41 | huhlig | gimme a second to update my debian quick |
| 16:17.50 | chrisb17 | how well will samba, sshd work on a p1 300mhz computer? |
| 16:18.03 | xand | chrisb17: there's no such thing. |
| 16:18.17 | xand | that must be a P2, and it depends on load |
| 16:18.32 | chrisb17 | just to run a file server |
| 16:18.35 | chrisb17 | out of an old computer |
| 16:18.42 | xand | chrisb17: it depends on how many users |
| 16:18.58 | tewmten | brb, I have to get back to work |
| 16:19.14 | chrisb17 | 2 or 3 |
| 16:19.14 | chrisb17 | no more |
| 16:19.27 | chrisb17 | really small company :) |
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| 16:20.42 | huhlig | xand, 300Mhz Pentiums did exist |
| 16:20.50 | huhlig | look up tillamook |
| 16:20.58 | huhlig | Jan 1999 |
| 16:21.01 | huhlig | P1 300 |
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| 16:21.13 | tewmten | ah that went quick |
| 16:21.26 | xand | hmm ok |
| 16:21.31 | xand | chrisb17: should be ok |
| 16:21.45 | arcil_ | i cant go more left in xvidtune. what should i do? the geforce does work correctly under windows |
| 16:21.50 | tewmten | huhlig: yes I type in apt-get install irssi-text, but since I have 0.8.9-3 it thinks I have the latest or something |
| 16:21.56 | chrisb17 | i haven't brought the pc down yet from the attic..... |
| 16:22.18 | tewmten | huhlig: I can download the 0.8.10-2 package and install with dpkg -i filename.deb but then it complains that my libc6 etc are too old |
| 16:22.31 | huhlig | hmm |
| 16:22.33 | huhlig | ahh |
| 16:22.33 | tewmten | so I'm thinking the debian stable installation isn't up to date.. |
| 16:22.38 | huhlig | thats why its keeping it back |
| 16:22.45 | huhlig | you need to do a dist upgrade |
| 16:22.54 | huhlig | stable changed a bit ago |
| 16:22.57 | huhlig | long bit |
| 16:23.02 | huhlig | gotta go |
| 16:23.04 | huhlig | bye |
| 16:23.04 | CalJohn | I really want emacs+xft+gtk. is there a sid package I can backport myself to get this? (I'm on lenny) |
| 16:23.11 | tewmten | ok |
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| 16:26.14 | tewmten | anyway, when I do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade it doesnt download the newest packages anyway |
| 16:26.55 | abrotman | your mirror might be out of sync |
| 16:27.06 | tewmten | ftp.se.debian.org.. hm |
| 16:27.11 | tewmten | I hope not |
| 16:27.16 | dondelelcaro | CalJohn: so install emacs22-gtk or similar. |
| 16:27.29 | dondelelcaro | there's nothing magical about the country name mirrors |
| 16:27.39 | tewmten | I try the danish one quickly |
| 16:28.17 | dondelelcaro | tewmten: which distribution are you running? what does apt-cache policy; say? what package do you think should be installed but isn't? |
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| 16:29.34 | CalJohn | dondelelcaro: ahhh...i was searching for "emacs-snapshot" and finding only kfreebsd stuff. thanks. |
| 16:30.03 | tewmten | should be debian stable, I'm trying to install irssi 0.8.10-2, but it keeps on giving me 0.8.9-3, apt-cache policy say the following: http://pastebin.com/d71cbfe57 |
| 16:30.34 | tewmten | but I didnt install this machine, I'm just admining it and it needs to be upgraded to the latest stable |
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| 16:31.17 | dondelelcaro | tewmten: oh, you're actually running sarge, not stable. |
| 16:31.37 | dondelelcaro | tewmten: what you need to do is read the release notes for etch (the current stable) and follow the migration instructions therein. |
| 16:31.39 | tewmten | dondelelcaro: ok I'm sorry but I'm not familiar with the different version of debian.. I'm used to slackware |
| 16:31.44 | tewmten | ok |
| 16:31.47 | dondelelcaro | !release notes |
| 16:31.47 | dpkg | methinks release notes is http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes |
| 16:31.51 | tewmten | cool thanks |
| 16:32.04 | tewmten | btw, changing from se-mirror to dk-mirror had no affect.. as suspected |
| 16:32.25 | dondelelcaro | tewmten: when you're done with that, apt-cache policy should show etch/main (and you should no longer have the non-US entries in your sources.list) |
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| 16:32.46 | tewmten | ok |
| 16:33.08 | tewmten | so I'll get it from sarge to etch, then it should be no problems getting the latest stable.. ok I see |
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| 16:33.12 | tewmten | thanks |
| 16:33.44 | bullgard4 | themill: Thank you very much. |
| 16:33.51 | dondelelcaro | tewmten: np; good luck with that. |
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| 16:34.01 | themill | bullgard4: no problem... did you get something sensible to work? |
| 16:34.23 | tewmten | dondelelcaro: another question, upgrading from sarge to etch, it shouldnt be a problem doing it over ssh, right? |
| 16:34.33 | dondelelcaro | tewmten: nope. I've done it quite a few times. |
| 16:34.35 | tewmten | since I'm in netherlands and the box is in sweden.. :) |
| 16:34.38 | tewmten | ok good |
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| 16:35.01 | dondelelcaro | tewmten: however, the release notes (try to) cover everything that has changed which could be problematic |
| 16:35.26 | dondelelcaro | tewmten: the main issue you want to be aware of is a restart to upgrade the kernel; but you don't have to do that until you're ready. |
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| 16:35.46 | themill | tewmten: it's not a problem over ssh unless you don't follow the upgrade instructions ;) |
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| 16:35.55 | tewmten | ok, but do I have to upgrade the kernel as well? |
| 16:36.03 | lindenle | hey all i know i will get booed for this question but other than vmware does anyone know a virtualizer I can run in windows to install debian under? |
| 16:36.04 | dondelelcaro | tewmten: you're going to want to |
| 16:36.18 | themill | tewmten: are you currently using a 2.6 kernel? |
| 16:36.24 | tewmten | ugh.. what a mission this will be |
| 16:36.44 | tewmten | themill: 2.6.18-3-xen-amd64 |
| 16:36.46 | dondelelcaro | tewmten: in general it just works; the problem is when you're using wierd hardware and it doesn't. ;-) |
| 16:37.01 | themill | tewmten: that shouldn't be too much of a mission then |
| 16:37.04 | tewmten | it's a xen virtual machine |
| 16:37.07 | dondelelcaro | tewmten: oh. You'll just want to upgrade that to -5; should be pretty trivial. |
| 16:37.13 | bullgard4 | themill: No, not so fast. I saw from the article that my problem has no immediate solution. So I will sniff around for a patch. |
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| 16:37.14 | themill | tewmten: it's not like you have to do 2.4 to 2.6 first |
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| 16:37.51 | tewmten | ok I'm leaving the office in 20 minutes, I think I'll just read the notes now and do the upgrade when I'm home and have no distractions |
| 16:38.06 | tewmten | well thanks for all the help, I'll come back and cry later when I break the system ;) |
| 16:38.07 | dondelelcaro | bullgard4: what was the original question? |
| 16:38.15 | dondelelcaro | tewmten: heh. it's a domU? |
| 16:38.17 | themill | bullgard4: that's a pity. I'm really really surprised by that. Seems a bit dumb not to be able to export data. Can you write some oobasic macros that extract the data by sql yourself, perhaps? |
| 16:38.20 | tewmten | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 16:38.33 | dondelelcaro | tewmten: and you have acess to the dom0? |
| 16:38.37 | tewmten | no |
| 16:38.39 | themill | dondelelcaro: bullgard4 is trying to get some data out of ooobase |
| 16:38.47 | tewmten | only this virtual host I'm currently on, which needs to be upgraded |
| 16:38.56 | tewmten | this domU |
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| 16:39.05 | tewmten | which I'm chatting from.. |
| 16:39.26 | dondelelcaro | tewmten: ah. well, it should work; having access to the dom0 would make it absolutely trivial, though. ;-) |
| 16:39.43 | tewmten | yeah, I'll just have some of my friends help out if something breaks |
| 16:39.56 | tewmten | also they have physical access if all else fails hehe |
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| 16:42.11 | jetscreamer | !blegh |
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| 16:43.05 | themill | !beer jetscreamer |
| 16:43.13 | themill | (sounds like you needed one) |
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| 16:44.26 | spheard | Can I restrict my users to only being able to view files in there home directory? |
| 16:45.07 | andyp_ | anyone familiar with OpenWRT on debian? |
| 16:45.14 | themill | spheard: not if you want them to be able to do anything... |
| 16:45.42 | xand | !anyone |
| 16:45.43 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 16:46.35 | andyp_ | xand: how to win friends and influence people thanks |
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| 16:47.36 | xand | andyp_: meta questions are pointless :P |
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| 16:48.21 | andyp_ | xand: meta this http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWRT |
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| 16:49.03 | spheard | themill: woah, they can read all the configs and stuff! |
| 16:49.10 | pwned | so what's the status of nvidia drivers on kernel 2.6.21-2 ? the module assistant way didn't work for me |
| 16:49.37 | themill | spheard: and all sorts of thing like /bin/ls so they can actually list a directory... what's your point? |
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| 16:50.11 | spheard | themill: They can see how badly my servers being run! |
| 16:50.13 | spheard | :p |
| 16:50.14 | xand | andyp_: meta isn't a verb, so I can't |
| 16:50.44 | themill | spheard: just use group permissions to stop the user from seing anything they shouldn't see. Look, for example, at ls -l /etc/ssh/ |
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| 16:52.17 | andyp_ | xand: i did not say it was |
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| 16:52.56 | themill | andyp_: you did... in "[17:48] <andyp_> xand: meta this ...." meta can only be a verb... |
| 16:53.16 | themill | andyp_: anyway, just get on and ask your real question ;) |
| 16:53.29 | andyp_ | themill: well ok i did not want to be rude |
| 16:53.30 | epa__ | I have a problem with dpkg and links to directories on Gentoo |
| 16:53.48 | epa__ | when I remove a package it also removes the link even if it was there before package installation |
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| 16:54.32 | epa__ | is the debian package installs software under /opt which is linked to /mnt/hdb7 everything goes fine in install |
| 16:54.41 | ixion_uk | hey I just added a second interface... same type I used when I installed... but its not showing up in ifconfig.. is there something I have to do to tell it to install this new NIC ?? |
| 16:54.44 | epa__ | but when I remove the package dpkg also removes /opt link |
| 16:54.54 | epa__ | is this by design or am I missing something |
| 16:54.56 | themill | epa__: if there is no record of any other package wanting that dir and it is empty then it goes. dpkg doesn't worry about what you've got there beforehand as it assumes that it is the only thing doing things. |
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| 16:55.09 | themill | epa__: btw... dpkg on gentoo... wtf? |
| 16:55.11 | epa__ | themill: it's not direcotry |
| 16:55.21 | epa__ | themill: on package creation purposes |
| 16:55.27 | xingu | epa__: also, deb's and /opt? wtf? |
| 16:55.35 | xingu | epa__: *which* deb is this? |
| 16:55.37 | themill | epa__: pls ask in #gentoo |
| 16:55.48 | epa__ | this is dpkg issue not really gentoo issue |
| 16:55.55 | epa__ | themill: do you know dpkg forum? |
| 16:56.01 | themill | epa__: debian may have come up with dpkg, but we can't support whatever it is you are doing to the poor thing on gentoo |
| 16:56.05 | dondelelcaro | epa__: if a file is owned by a package then on removal it's removed. |
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| 16:56.25 | themill | epa__: and by file we mean file, dir or symlink. it doesn't matter |
| 16:56.32 | epa__ | themill: ok |
| 16:56.36 | dondelelcaro | epa__: if it's in the package, it's owned by a package. dpkg is not designed to work with other packaging managers; using it in that manner is insane. |
| 16:56.50 | xingu | if a package has /opt in it then it's probably poorly packaged and is liable to do any old crap. |
| 16:57.01 | epa__ | themill: so on real system it would probably work properly if there were more stuff left under opt |
| 16:57.07 | xingu | it may well be dating your sister in its postinst. |
| 16:57.08 | andyp_ | ok I have a cable modem with so so cable company i was thinking of buying a router as the moden goes stright into my computer and i was thinking of OpenWrt for debiian as the firmware on the router |
| 16:57.13 | themill | epa__: debian never uses /opt |
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| 16:57.38 | ChrisBradley | wow |
| 16:57.54 | winn2 | i need to boot someone from openvpn, anyone got a clue? |
| 16:58.11 | ixion_uk | winn2 restart the vnc server? |
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| 16:58.14 | epa__ | themill: yes however I'm forced to use /opt /etc/opt /var/opt |
| 16:58.18 | dondelelcaro | winn2: start up the management interface and block them, or revoke their cert, or use iptables to block them. |
| 16:58.51 | Wedhus_Liar | hello all |
| 16:59.01 | epa__ | themill: dpkg would work ok if it were a real directory since it's removal would not be allowed if there was something else left there |
| 16:59.03 | Wedhus_Liar | i need some help about start up file on debian |
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| 16:59.18 | ixion_uk | I just added a second interface... same type I used when I installed... but its not showing up in ifconfig.. is there something I have to do to tell it to install/use this new NIC ?? |
| 16:59.19 | epa__ | themill: so the problem for me seems to be the link to a directory |
| 16:59.36 | Wedhus_Liar | <epa__> can u help me |
| 16:59.39 | themill | epa__: sounds plausible. but htfswk? |
| 16:59.42 | dondelelcaro | ixion_uk: does it show up in ifconfig -a? |
| 16:59.48 | epa__ | themill: what I was basically trying to find was a way to exclude a file from removal |
| 16:59.53 | epa__ | themill: is there such? |
| 17:00.04 | themill | man dpkg? |
| 17:00.08 | ixion_uk | dondelelcaro: ah yes... so I just need to set it up in /etc/network/interfaces ?? |
| 17:00.14 | epa__ | Wedhus_Liar: startup file? |
| 17:00.18 | Wedhus_Liar | yes |
| 17:00.22 | epa__ | themill: didn't fine one |
| 17:00.24 | Wedhus_Liar | rcS ? |
| 17:00.25 | ixion_uk | dondelelcaro: when I try ifup it tells me no such interface |
| 17:00.25 | themill | !tell Wedhus_Liar about ask |
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| 17:00.56 | dewey | good day mates |
| 17:01.01 | epa__ | themill: but as you said the problem is that dpkg doesn't see anyone else 'owning' the /opt and therefore nukes it. right? |
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| 17:01.09 | RvGaTe | I keep forgetting the method on how to create ur own nvidia drivers module from source... i remember there was this website for it... but i forgot... anyone knows this website im talking about? |
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| 17:01.14 | dewey | I just did an update to new kernel and it crashes on boot |
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| 17:01.40 | themill | epa__: probably... are you rebasing the install into /opt or does the package contain /opt itself? |
| 17:01.56 | epa__ | package contains /opt |
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| 17:02.16 | dewey | 2.6.18-5-k7 is the kernel not working for me and 2.6.18-4-k7 is working |
| 17:02.28 | dewey | I have nvidia card |
| 17:02.32 | themill | epa__: touch another file in /opt and it might stay around. dpkg will normally leave a non-empty directory |
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| 17:03.05 | epa__ | themill: I straced dpkg and it tried to remove it , but OS prevented it beause it was not empty |
| 17:03.45 | epa__ | themill: but I think I have more info now. I do more testing of that on ubuntu platform |
| 17:03.48 | epa__ | themill: thanks |
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| 17:04.18 | ChrisBradley | http://www.linuxtoday.com/security/2007081601626NWDBSV |
| 17:04.19 | themill | ok... why use gentoo and ubuntu and not just use debian? (esp if you're going to ask questions here in #debian) |
| 17:04.23 | Wedhus_Liar | anybody can help me |
| 17:04.29 | abrotman | ChrisBradley: that's OT here |
| 17:04.46 | themill | Wedhus_Liar: we all can... but we still don't know what your question is |
| 17:04.49 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 17:04.49 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot |
| 17:04.53 | ChrisBradley | I use deb. |
| 17:05.00 | epa__ | themill: we use multiple distributions to ensure intercompatibility. |
| 17:05.00 | andyp_ | ! DebianWRT |
| 17:05.00 | dpkg | DebianWRT project is to support running Debian on access points, such as those supported by the OpenWRT project.check http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWRT |
| 17:05.03 | svalovic2 | Wedhus_Liar: ask your question |
| 17:05.04 | abrotman | ChrisBradley: that news isn't related to Debian |
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| 17:05.35 | epa__ | themill: I asked it on debian since I assumed this might be place with most dpkg knowledge |
| 17:06.01 | ChrisBradley | abrotman - taken under advisement |
| 17:06.04 | themill | our knowledge is that we use it on debian and It Just Works (TM). :) |
| 17:06.10 | dondelelcaro | ixion_uk: you need to add it to /etc/network/interfaces, yes. |
| 17:06.16 | tim_flatus | Can anyone tell me whether /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list files are supposed to contain anything other than a list of filenames? |
| 17:06.48 | dondelelcaro | tim_flatus: that's it. |
| 17:07.02 | dewey | hmmm now my automatix can not find what debian I am ? |
| 17:07.26 | snowbird | themill yeah deb is ok wish .deb was like rpm thats ok |
| 17:07.28 | ixion_uk | cool thanks dondelelcaro that sorted it |
| 17:07.34 | Wedhus_Liar | ok ok |
| 17:07.36 | ixion_uk | odd message :S |
| 17:07.49 | tim_flatus | dondelelcaro, So if I'm seeing entries that look like something out of a release file I can assume some sort of corruption? |
| 17:08.08 | dondelelcaro | tim_flatus: that's what is in the status file. |
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| 17:09.03 | tim_flatus | dondelelcaro, That's where I would have expected to find hat sort of information. Thanks, that's the biggest lead I've had all day |
| 17:09.05 | dv_ | hm, |
| 17:09.05 | Wedhus_Liar | i want to make auto load some application on booting, like "mount and chmod" so where i must type this command ?? |
| 17:09.10 | softwork | good host for websites? |
| 17:09.14 | abrotman | !tell Wedhus_Liar about run at startup |
| 17:09.14 | softwork | in europe |
| 17:09.26 | ixion_uk | any ideas on a good firewall manager (iptables or anything out) that will aid in configuring firewall rules, NAT, but also traffic shaping? |
| 17:09.30 | abrotman | Wedhus_Liar: is this for kanotix? |
| 17:09.36 | dondelelcaro | softwork: there are a bunch, but dreamhost is reasonable. |
| 17:09.41 | dv_ | what if someone installs an app from repository A, then A is deleted from the sources.list, B is added to sources.list, and has an app with the same name? |
| 17:09.49 | dv_ | does this break apt? |
| 17:09.56 | ixion_uk | configuring iptables manually is a bit too much for me |
| 17:10.02 | Wedhus_Liar | yes, for kanotix |
| 17:10.13 | abrotman | Wedhus_Liar: you sohuld ask #kanotix |
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| 17:10.49 | foo | What's that program that does the traceroutes continuously for accuracy? mrg or mtg or something? |
| 17:10.57 | dondelelcaro | foo: mtr |
| 17:10.57 | ixion_uk | mrtg |
| 17:11.03 | foo | ixion_uk: no |
| 17:11.05 | foo | dondelelcaro: Thanks Don |
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| 17:11.07 | Wedhus_Liar | yes, i on #kanotix to |
| 17:11.15 | ixion_uk | oh oops only half read |
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| 17:11.41 | foo | ixion_uk: :D |
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| 17:13.08 | foo | dondelelcaro: You plan on attending SCALE again? |
| 17:13.15 | softwork | dondelelcaro: and is money transfer? |
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| 17:14.01 | tim_flatus | dv_, no it shouldn't |
| 17:14.22 | Wedhus_Liar | PLease HeLp Mee |
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| 17:17.02 | abrotman | Wedhus_Liar: you're using kanotix .. we can't help you .. go to #kanotix |
| 17:17.03 | nootoyahora | hello everyone |
| 17:17.32 | nootoyahora | I0'm trying to access with gammu to my new nokia 6300 and I can't, it gives errors or pairing... what can it be wrong? |
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| 17:22.01 | Wedhus_Liar | kanotix is debian too?? |
| 17:22.24 | abrotman | no |
| 17:22.29 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 17:22.29 | dpkg | Your distribution may even use <apt>, but is not officially Debian maintained (see <why Debian>), nor do we manage all aspects of it. (see <Debian policy>) Therefore, we are not obligated to help you (see <based on Debian caveats>). Please visit the proper IRC channel for your distribution. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> <Linux Mint> to name a few. |
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| 17:24.07 | lbc | !libc6 lenny |
| 17:24.23 | Wedhus_Liar | ooooo |
| 17:24.25 | Wedhus_Liar | i c |
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| 17:24.35 | Wedhus_Liar | but i debian user too |
| 17:24.53 | Wedhus_Liar | my computer use Debian etch |
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| 17:25.39 | neosmatri|x| | Wedhus_Liar: and it works perfectly ? |
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| 17:27.29 | Wedhus_Liar | i have too some problem on Debian Etch |
| 17:27.57 | abrotman | and the bot already told you how |
| 17:28.27 | zicho | it seems that my hda is doing a tremendous amount of working, and I dont know why. Is there anyway i can check what is going on? |
| 17:29.13 | zicho | could it be torrents? since i have one downloading to hda, but i also have one downloading to hdb and it doesnt work as much |
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| 17:29.59 | creature | So I'm looking at automatic backups. http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/#ReadOnly tells me that if I mount something in two places I can't have one mount point read-only and the other read/write. Is this still the case? |
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| 17:34.09 | ampex | how would one best use linux to take advantage of multiple CPUs and a very fask disk subsystem to copy multiple files in parallel? |
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| 17:35.13 | ExxKA | Hey guys, im trying to set up an internet server, which is going to host pop3/smtp httpd mysql(accessible from only one outside ip).. So do i need a firewall? |
| 17:35.28 | Spec | i was told to fix a problem....dpkg -l |grep -i postgres looks like this: pHR postgresql-8.1 8.1.8-1 object-relational SQL database, version 8.1 |
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| 17:35.37 | Spec | what does the 'pHR' mean? |
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| 17:36.33 | simonrvn | Spec: dpkg -l | head -n 6 |
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| 17:37.52 | Spec | adduser? |
| 17:38.27 | Spec | ah |
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| 17:38.54 | carramba | hi. does Debian kernel 2.6.22 include "nolapic_timer" for AMD64? I have found this option only in arch/i386. So it probably is not included in x86_64, but I want to make sure. |
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| 17:41.31 | swordlaw | does anyone know which FS is supported best on debian for mounting as writable.....NTFS or Fat32 ? I still can't mount my ntfs partittion as writable |
| 17:41.50 | petemc | fat |
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| 17:41.53 | dondelelcaro | swordlaw: fat32, but ntfs is supported too. |
| 17:42.26 | jelly | Spec: look at the first three lines of dpkg -l output: p = desired state of the package is for it to be purged; H = Half-installed; R = Reinst-required |
| 17:42.29 | swordlaw | ok, but i have ntfs-3g , and when i use fusermount with it i can't get it work |
| 17:42.30 | Supaplex | !tell swordlaw -about ntfs-3g |
| 17:42.43 | Supaplex | !tell swordlaw -about don't work |
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| 17:42.46 | Quibus | Hi all |
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| 17:43.00 | jelly | swordlaw: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:43.01 | Quibus | Does Debian still install and run on a pure 386? If not, what does run on it? |
| 17:43.11 | dondelelcaro | Quibus: 486, actually. |
| 17:43.34 | Quibus | Any Linux I can run on a 386 with 8MB? |
| 17:43.40 | jelly | swordlaw: basic mounting is done like "ntfs-3g /dev/sdc1 /some/mount/point" |
| 17:43.42 | swordlaw | im tryin to mount my ntfs partition as writable....in all ways possible....(mount, fusermount...) |
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| 17:44.14 | dondelelcaro | swordlaw: using ntfs-3g? |
| 17:44.19 | Supaplex | swordlaw: when you mount it -f ntfs-3g -o rw, what happens? |
| 17:44.19 | swordlaw | yup , but it doesn't work with me.....do i have to recompile my kernel? |
| 17:44.40 | swordlaw | wait a sec please.... |
| 17:44.41 | jelly | swordlaw: how does it not work, exactly? |
| 17:44.54 | swordlaw | WARNING: Deficient Linux kernel detected. Some driver features are |
| 17:44.54 | swordlaw | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.54 | swordlaw | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.54 | swordlaw | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.54 | swordlaw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:45.32 | jelly | !tell swordlaw about ask |
| 17:45.40 | jelly | swordlaw: use a pastebin |
| 17:45.48 | swordlaw | lol |
| 17:46.19 | Quibus | no idea? |
| 17:46.25 | swordlaw | well it basically tells me that my kernel doesn' support it....how can that be? it is a 2.6 |
| 17:46.39 | Supaplex | Quibus: openwrt maybe |
| 17:46.43 | jelly | swordlaw: no, it doesn't. Which debian release are you using? versions of ntfs-3g and fuse-utiles? |
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| 17:47.01 | swordlaw | etch |
| 17:47.05 | Supaplex | Quibus: I have a copy of pocket linux on a floppy |
| 17:47.18 | Supaplex | swordlaw: how did you install ntfs-3g? |
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| 17:47.34 | Quibus | thanks for the tips |
| 17:47.42 | simonrvn | swordlaw: kernel too old |
| 17:47.44 | swordlaw | synaptic |
| 17:47.57 | Supaplex | swordlaw: uname -r |
| 17:47.59 | swordlaw | a few days ago...using stable release |
| 17:48.03 | swordlaw | ok |
| 17:48.18 | Spec | well...the postrm script is now failing...how do i remove a package w/o running the postrm script? |
| 17:48.30 | pingouin | when i shut down the computer, at the end, i got a warning about the shut of hard drive, and it give url : http://linux-ata.org/shutdown.html , i run Debian/Etch, with custom kernel 2.6.22.2. any clue about what i'm suppose to do ? |
| 17:48.39 | swordlaw | 2.6.18 |
| 17:48.51 | Supaplex | swordlaw: so you compiled your own? |
| 17:49.03 | Quibus | thanks, see you later |
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| 17:49.13 | jelly | swordlaw: version numbers of the packages ntfs-3g and fuse-utils would be useful |
| 17:49.38 | swordlaw | ok...wai ta sec please |
| 17:49.50 | jelly | swordlaw: you might have a too new ntfs-3g, requiring newer kernel fuse module than what's available in 2.6.18 |
| 17:50.39 | jelly | !info ntfs-3g etch |
| 17:50.44 | swordlaw | fuse 2.7 |
| 17:50.47 | swordlaw | wait |
| 17:50.48 | Supaplex | !ntfs-3g |
| 17:50.48 | dpkg | hmm... ntfs-3g is a new driver for NTFS with write support, see http://packages.debian.org/ntfs-3g for release status. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs>, <backports> (in sarge-backports) |
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| 17:50.58 | jelly | ah, it's not in etch. |
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| 17:51.19 | Supaplex | it might not be in backports either. it's a fast target. |
| 17:51.21 | pingouin | !shutdown |
| 17:51.49 | pingouin | :þ |
| 17:52.00 | swordlaw | so i have to apt a new kernel to make it run..? |
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| 17:52.37 | jelly | swordlaw: where did you find ntfs-3g and fuse >= 2.7 for stable? |
| 17:52.44 | cla | happy birthday to you! |
| 17:52.45 | cla | :) |
| 17:53.28 | simonrvn | heh |
| 17:53.29 | swordlaw | i really don't know, i;m quite a newbie with this......i jus ran synaptic and searched for it |
| 17:53.37 | jelly | swordlaw: pastebin the output of dpkg -l libc6 ntfs-3g fuse-utils |
| 17:53.56 | swordlaw | wait.. |
| 17:53.58 | jelly | swordlaw: also, apt-cache policy ntfs-3g fuse-utils. |
| 17:55.01 | simonrvn | .1 updates came in |
| 17:55.03 | jelly | swordlaw: if you use a third party repository, you might want to tell whomever is running it to provide fuse-module-* packages too. |
| 17:55.23 | swordlaw | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.23 | swordlaw | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.23 | swordlaw | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.23 | swordlaw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:55.30 | jelly | d'oh |
| 17:55.32 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 17:55.34 | swordlaw | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.36 | swordlaw | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.38 | swordlaw | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.38 | simonrvn | STOP PASTING HERE |
| 17:55.40 | swordlaw | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.42 | swordlaw | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.44 | swordlaw | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.46 | swordlaw | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.48 | swordlaw | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.50 | swordlaw | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.52 | swordlaw | fuck...... |
| 17:55.56 | cla | swordlaw: rafb.net/paste |
| 17:56.10 | simonrvn | sorry for yelling |
| 17:56.11 | swordlaw | how the hell do i paste it? paste bin.....wtf.... |
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| 17:56.44 | jelly | swordlaw: go to that web page and paste there, then paste the url of the created page here |
| 17:56.47 | swordlaw | dun worrie.....i supose i get u all nervous being a newbie....^_^ |
| 17:57.01 | simonrvn | naw |
| 17:57.12 | swordlaw | ok...thanks....(sorry =/) |
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| 17:59.02 | swordlaw | rafb.net/p/AB1rHq23.html |
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| 18:00.29 | jelly | packages from testing, sources.list from stable, nothing special |
| 18:00.33 | Seb | hi fellows |
| 18:00.39 | simonrvn | eh |
| 18:00.49 | Seb | anyone hot with ldap ? I have a user that keeps getting "account expired", but my ldap directory says the account is valid until 2030; is there anything obvious I'm missing ? |
| 18:00.56 | simonrvn | and oldstable |
| 18:01.12 | simonrvn | Seb: probably pam_unix bitching |
| 18:01.20 | simonrvn | i.e. /etc/* |
| 18:01.45 | Seb | this is using pam_ldap |
| 18:01.45 | Seb | simonrvn: hey there, how is it going ? |
| 18:02.03 | jelly | swordlaw: short answer: there's no support for ntfs-3g in debian stable yet |
| 18:02.04 | simonrvn | doing, ok, you? |
| 18:02.21 | Seb | simonrvn: well, i would expect that no matter what pam_ldap is supposed to be doing, it gets expiration dates from the ldap directory itself |
| 18:02.24 | Seb | simonrvn: almost perfect, 'cept for this small problem ;) |
| 18:02.29 | swordlaw | ok.....=/ |
| 18:02.38 | swordlaw | thanks |
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| 18:03.04 | Seb | simonrvn: i'm just trying to finx out how pam_ldap or whatever thinks this ccount is expired, when the ldap dir itself thinks it's not |
| 18:03.09 | jelly | swordlaw: you have an outdated version of ntfs-3g installed from when etch was still in testing, it would probably better not to use it. |
| 18:04.12 | simonrvn | Seb: if the user also exists in files, and has an old date, well you'll see that sometimes when it finds the files data before it finds the ldap data |
| 18:04.28 | jelly | swordlaw: and there is no way you could have installed that version of fuse-utils from stable, you must have had testing (or even unstable) in your setup at some point |
| 18:04.54 | simonrvn | so has nothing to do with pam_ldap really, per se |
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| 18:05.08 | swordlaw | probably...yup |
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| 18:05.30 | Braindead | "probably" scares me |
| 18:05.42 | swordlaw | me too ^_^ |
| 18:05.49 | Braindead | stop using drugs |
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| 18:05.55 | simonrvn | "probably" probably means yes |
| 18:05.59 | swordlaw | but what the hell... |
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| 18:06.24 | simonrvn | jelly: *shrug*. didn't used to have DDs uploading there (AFAIK) |
| 18:06.42 | deephay | hi all, could somebody help me with this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/08/msg01582.html |
| 18:06.51 | deephay | my boot partition was erased |
| 18:07.02 | jelly | swordlaw: you need newer everything, kernel, ntfs-3g and fuse, to make it work |
| 18:07.02 | Seb | simonrvn: worth investigating |
| 18:07.06 | simonrvn | fun :( |
| 18:07.30 | swordlaw | "probably" ---------> the hell would i know?.........i'm new to this ...so probably means...."if u say so, then it must be" |
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| 18:07.31 | simonrvn | Seb: i usually just go and sync the files data with the ldap stuff if that's the case |
| 18:07.46 | swordlaw | jelly: thanks dude |
| 18:07.48 | Seb | simonrvn: hrm my user is not in the files, though |
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| 18:08.16 | simonrvn | then that old data is elsewhere. go find it ;) |
| 18:08.49 | simonrvn | swordlaw: good luck |
| 18:09.14 | swordlaw | thanks....i'll "probably" need it.....(rofl) |
| 18:09.22 | Seb | simonrvn: heh |
| 18:09.32 | jelly | swordlaw: this means you can either use testing (which can be a painful experience), or hope someone makes a nice backport of everything you need (newer fuse-modules, fuse userspace and ntfs-3g) |
| 18:09.45 | Seb | simonrvn: what am i looking for exactly ? I don't even know how linux "marks" an expired account |
| 18:10.10 | simonrvn | the past due date on the label, silly :P |
| 18:10.24 | swordlaw | is fat writable under debian? ....should i convert it ..."again" ? |
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| 18:10.34 | dogmeat | how can i find which process is listening on port 8079 ? |
| 18:10.36 | jelly | swordlaw: vfat works |
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| 18:10.56 | snowbird | google |
| 18:10.59 | simonrvn | seriously though, via the shadow data; it'll have a unix time in days, like 11190 or something like that |
| 18:11.22 | simonrvn | swordlaw: yeh it is; vfat, fat |
| 18:11.36 | swordlaw | i tryied it but with no results...i can mount....but no writing....i was told that was because it doesn' support permissions...si that so? |
| 18:11.50 | snowbird | progmam called jetty uses that port |
| 18:11.53 | simonrvn | no it doesn't, but otherwise it is write |
| 18:12.17 | jelly | dogmeat: fuser -n tcp 8079 |
| 18:12.29 | simonrvn | if you need to preserve perms, better to tarball it |
| 18:12.34 | tomonfw_ | hi all, |
| 18:12.36 | jelly | dogmeat: substitute tcp with udp if required |
| 18:12.36 | tomonfw_ | *** libtool.m4 and ltmain.sh have a version mismatch! *** ,anyone help me,plz ? (libtool.m4 = 1.5.22, ltmain.sh = "1.5.22 Debian 1.5.22-4") |
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| 18:12.40 | Seb | simonrvn: what label ? 8) |
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| 18:12.41 | simonrvn | if it's going to be stored on such an FS |
| 18:12.48 | simonrvn | Seb: ;) |
| 18:12.55 | simonrvn | Seb: i was making a joke :) |
| 18:13.00 | Seb | oh |
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| 18:13.11 | gileswwwrk | hi debianers |
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| 18:13.17 | Seb | gileswwwrk: sup |
| 18:13.31 | simonrvn | Seb: pay attention to the part that starts "seriously" |
| 18:13.44 | gileswwwrk | is there a way to retrigger db-config |
| 18:13.48 | Seb | wow wow wow |
| 18:13.53 | Seb | i'm so lagging behind it's scary |
| 18:13.58 | Seb | simonrvn: thx mate :) |
| 18:14.07 | jelly | Seb: does "getent shadow username" display something? |
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| 18:14.22 | eeyore- | howdy |
| 18:14.35 | Seb | jelly: it does |
| 18:14.44 | Seb | eeyore-: sup mang |
| 18:14.58 | jelly | Seb: the third column is the expiry date, in days since epoch |
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| 18:15.14 | Seb | jelly: 13364 |
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| 18:15.34 | gileswwwrk | ah sokay |
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| 18:15.38 | gileswwwrk | dpkg-reconfigure worked |
| 18:15.49 | Seb | jelly: hrm so it is expired; echo $(( 13364 / 365 + 1971 )) says 2007 |
| 18:15.55 | jelly | Seb: man passwd to see how to unexpire it |
| 18:16.01 | Seb | jelly: i wonder why ldap says "expires in 2030 then |
| 18:16.21 | Seb | jelly: well it's all ldap based, and that definitely doesn't match what I see in the ldap dir |
| 18:16.27 | simonrvn | didn't update shadow, or doesn't have shadow data |
| 18:16.29 | Seb | jelly: i guess i need to look again |
| 18:16.42 | deephay | hi all, why I get "/dev/scsi/..../does not have any corresponding BIOS drive" for grub-install? |
| 18:16.44 | jelly | Seb: impedance mismatch? maybe your system uses /etc/shadow instead? |
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| 18:17.02 | jelly | Seb: a grep :username: /etc/shadow would confirm |
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| 18:17.08 | Seb | jelly: it doesn't |
| 18:17.19 | Seb | jelly: i've checked before, and just did again; it definietly uses ldap |
| 18:17.26 | Seb | jelly: now, maybe my ldap frontend is a piece of shit |
| 18:17.32 | jelly | Seb: dunno, I've never put unix users in ldap |
| 18:18.06 | eeyore- | Seb: or maybe PAM isn't looking at ldap? :-) |
| 18:18.08 | jelly | Seb: maybe just the password expired, not the account (two different things) |
| 18:18.09 | Wulf_ | hi |
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| 18:18.35 | simonrvn | quite possible too |
| 18:18.40 | Seb | eeyore-: well, "getent shadow" confirmed it is expired |
| 18:18.43 | eeyore- | Seb: are you trying to get pam to use ldap or something? |
| 18:18.45 | simonrvn | you using ppolicy? |
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| 18:18.50 | Seb | hrm, although i dunno if this is about the passwd or the account |
| 18:18.58 | Seb | eeyore-: it is using it already |
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| 18:19.04 | _ericb | hi all |
| 18:19.04 | pingouin | when i shut down the computer, at the end, i got a warning about the shut of hard drive, and it give url : http://linux-ata.org/shutdown.html , i run Debian/Etch, with custom kernel 2.6.22.2. any clue about what i'm suppose to do ? |
| 18:19.05 | Seb | simonrvn: not that i know of, no :) |
| 18:19.09 | Wulf_ | I need the libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 (i386 version) on my amd64 debian/sid system. This file was once in ia32-libs but isn't anymore. Any ideas? |
| 18:19.10 | eeyore- | Seb: and the problem? (i came in late) |
| 18:19.16 | TrueDD | Salut tous |
| 18:19.16 | _ericb | is there an application like kdesu but that doesn't use the kde librairies ? |
| 18:19.44 | Seb | eeyore-: that user cannot login, it says his account expired; which conflicts with the info i have in my ldap dir, somehow (expiration in 2030) |
| 18:19.50 | Seb | TrueDD: #debian-fr ? :) |
| 18:20.02 | jelly | Seb: perl -e 'print scalar localtime (13364*86400)' says "Fri Aug 4 02:00:00 2006" |
| 18:20.17 | simonrvn | weee |
| 18:20.42 | Seb | jelly: so is that a passwd expired or an account ? |
| 18:20.42 | Seb | cuz i have no idea how to distinguish between the 2 |
| 18:20.43 | TrueDD | hi all, |
| 18:20.43 | TrueDD | hi seb :D |
| 18:20.43 | Seb | TrueDD: getting there heh ;) |
| 18:20.43 | jelly | Seb: um, no idea, you want to figure out what that field in shadow really means ;-) |
| 18:20.51 | Seb | jelly: yep, man 5 shadow it is |
| 18:20.54 | simonrvn | man shadow ;) |
| 18:20.57 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 18:21.05 | eeyore- | Seb: try 13664 (instead of 13364) <- i think you're off by 300 days |
| 18:21.14 | TrueDD | Seb, I know #debian-fr, and I'm already on this chan :) |
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| 18:21.59 | Seb | eeyore-: it defintely is 13364 in getent shadow |
| 18:21.59 | jelly | Seb: btw, that's the time password was last changed. not an issue probably (unless you have a fascist admin) |
| 18:22.02 | TrueDD | but here, I always say "Salut tous" and after, "hi all" |
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| 18:22.06 | mogh | hi |
| 18:22.09 | Seb | TrueDD: gotcha |
| 18:22.17 | Seb | jelly: ok, so the last field is expiration date |
| 18:22.32 | Seb | and that reads 47482 in getetn shadow |
| 18:22.33 | mogh | as base-config is not present in etch anymore: is there any tool to change the network settings? (hostname/domain/ip) |
| 18:22.42 | Seb | which now is in sync with what ldap says |
| 18:22.46 | jelly | Seb: so convert it. |
| 18:22.48 | Seb | (2030) |
| 18:22.56 | jelly | then it's right :-) |
| 18:23.03 | Seb | so my question stands, why does pam think this account is expired ? |
| 18:23.05 | Seb | :) |
| 18:23.34 | jelly | Seb: what about the other fields? Mine looks like this: jelly:*password*:13536:0:99999:7::: |
| 18:23.47 | simonrvn | well now that you've updated it, it won't matter ;p |
| 18:23.52 | Seb | user:*:13364:1:365:10:10:47482:0 |
| 18:24.18 | jelly | Seb: see that 365 in the "days after which password must be changed"? |
| 18:24.23 | Seb | there is no reason, looking at this string, that pam should think the account is expried, if I read man 5 shadow correctly |
| 18:24.27 | eeyore- | my other fields are empty, no other restrictions |
| 18:24.29 | Seb | jelly: it's been changed several times already |
| 18:24.56 | jelly | Seb: if it had been changed, the 13364 wouldn't be today, not Aug 4 2006 |
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| 18:25.05 | Seb | jelly: yet pam doesn't wanna budge :) |
| 18:25.14 | jelly | s/wouldn't/would/ |
| 18:25.14 | Seb | hrm |
| 18:25.20 | Seb | we changed it like 2 days ago |
| 18:25.26 | jelly | Seb: SUUURE you did |
| 18:25.38 | eeyore- | Seb: third field from last |
| 18:25.49 | Seb | jelly: yes, yes we did |
| 18:26.07 | eeyore- | Seb: third from last = "days after password expired that account is disabled" (you have "10" in there, no?) |
| 18:26.20 | jelly | Seb: you need to figure out why did the "last password change" field not change, then |
| 18:26.34 | jelly | eeyore-: Aug 4 2006 + 365 + 10 = lockout |
| 18:26.41 | simonrvn | Seb> jelly: now, maybe my ldap frontend is a piece of shit |
| 18:26.46 | ixion_uk | do I have to do anything special to make apache serve up .css files at webpages rather than text files ?? |
| 18:26.46 | simonrvn | that's why :P |
| 18:26.49 | eeyore- | Seb: so if you had last changed = 2006, then 2006 + 10 days = oops |
| 18:26.54 | Gm4n | when I run apt-get update, I get a "could not get lock" error... and I'm sure it's not being used. Any suggestions? |
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| 18:27.13 | Gm4n | oh, nevermind, it works now -_- |
| 18:27.16 | ixion_uk | lol |
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| 18:27.28 | eeyore- | jelly: what's a few hundred days among friends? :-) |
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| 18:27.38 | electronixtar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.39 | Seb | i'm so confused |
| 18:27.42 | simonrvn | eeyore-: hehe |
| 18:27.44 | Seb | but more coffee isn't an option |
| 18:27.56 | simonrvn | Seb: it is confusing... |
| 18:28.01 | jelly | Seb: when you change the password, the "password change time" does not update. |
| 18:28.02 | hcy | liable: around? |
| 18:28.09 | jelly | Seb: that's your problem. |
| 18:28.11 | Seb | so i changed this apsswd in my ldap frontend; it works cuz when i ssh user@box with the new one, it does log me in, only to say "account expired" right away |
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| 18:28.16 | Seb | jelly: ok |
| 18:28.21 | Seb | jelly: i think that does make sense to me |
| 18:28.21 | jelly | Seb: ah! |
| 18:28.24 | eeyore- | jelly: that'll make the account stopped working like ... yesterday! :-) |
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| 18:28.42 | jelly | Seb: that really means your frontend is crap, it didn't update that 3rd field. |
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| 18:29.11 | Seb | jelly: somehow the passwd gets changed |
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| 18:29.15 | jelly | eeyore-: and here we have a user complaining on irc today. What a coincidence. |
| 18:29.16 | Seb | jelly: hrm scratch that |
| 18:29.19 | Seb | jelly: yes, yes it is |
| 18:29.30 | jelly | Seb: that's why the frontend is crap. |
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| 18:29.35 | Seb | ok |
| 18:29.40 | Seb | well, thanks a lot people |
| 18:29.44 | Seb | i think i understand the issue now |
| 18:29.50 | simonrvn | should update everything... |
| 18:29.54 | eeyore- | Seb: :-) see, when #debian puts our heads together there's nothing we can't solve |
| 18:30.00 | Seb | jelly, eeyore-, simonrvn: thanks a lot for your time |
| 18:30.09 | Seb | eeyore-: not that i ever doubted this fact of life ;) |
| 18:30.11 | simonrvn | eeyore-: yeh, "blame upstream" |
| 18:30.16 | jelly | Seb: send beer to debian.org. :-) |
| 18:30.17 | simonrvn | Seb: np |
| 18:30.19 | eeyore- | simonrvn: haha, that too |
| 18:30.27 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 18:30.42 | eeyore- | simonrvn: but now that i run gentoo, i "blame USE flags" |
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| 18:30.49 | jelly | Seb: is it a commercial product, btw? |
| 18:30.50 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 18:31.32 | simonrvn | xingu: that would useful |
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| 18:31.34 | jelly | xingu: why should it? |
| 18:31.36 | simonrvn | would be* |
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| 18:31.40 | wAndyw78 | Hi all. After the last dist-upgrade yesterday automount of USB Sticks is broken here. Using debian lenny + gnome. gnome-volume-manager isr running and dmesg output looks fine when I plug in the USB-media. mount /dev/sda3 /media/USBSTICK works, but I want it again autmated :-) |
| 18:31.58 | wAndyw78 | any hints? |
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| 18:32.30 | jelly | xingu: I install kde, think it's crap, remove it, do an update+autoclean a day later, and decide that I want kde after all. What a loser. |
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| 18:32.44 | ixion_uk | do I have to do anything special to make apache serve up .css files at webpages rather than text files ?? |
| 18:32.59 | jelly | ixion_uk: css files are not webpages. |
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| 18:33.10 | simonrvn | ixion_uk: it's text... |
| 18:33.12 | ixion_uk | im confused |
| 18:33.14 | ruben | Hi, I have debian/lenny using dell optiplex 320, trying to set up hdparm with dma I have this error, sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/sda |
| 18:33.16 | xingu | jelly: chamber, loaded, safety, unlocked, barrel, aimed at foot... |
| 18:33.18 | ruben | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.19 | ruben | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.19 | eeyore- | wAndyw78: erm, did you mess with /etc/fstab? |
| 18:33.23 | ixion_uk | ah.. so is another file supposed to use this css file ? |
| 18:33.24 | ruben | any idea how to fix it? |
| 18:33.38 | eeyore- | ruben: SATA? |
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| 18:33.45 | ruben | eeyore-: Yes I think |
| 18:33.56 | ruben | eeyore-: does not work with? |
| 18:33.58 | eeyore- | ruben: forget hdparm :-) it's probably already enabled anyway |
| 18:34.04 | xingu | jelly: lets try this one; I get a lobotomy, install kde, work out it's crap all over again, and then remove it; how do I purge only the kde+deps from the cache? |
| 18:34.12 | simonrvn | ixion_uk: if people want to see the css, they can load it directly into the browser... |
| 18:34.21 | simonrvn | !kdesmite jelly |
| 18:34.23 | eeyore- | ruben: are you just following some recipes or something? read "dmesg" output to see if DMA is enabled |
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| 18:34.35 | jelly | xingu: rm /var/cache/apt/archive/*kde*deb :-) |
| 18:34.39 | ruben | eeyore-: well, I have the same issue with another disk (320 gb) with the same output |
| 18:34.43 | ruben | hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda1 |
| 18:34.47 | ruben | /dev/hda1: setting using_dma to 1 (on) HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Invalid argument using_dma = 0 (off) |
| 18:34.51 | ruben | :( |
| 18:34.53 | foo | Anyone used x2x? |
| 18:34.55 | ruben | it's ide that |
| 18:34.56 | eeyore- | ruben: ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0x000101f0 ctl 0x000103f6 bmdma 0x000118c0 irq 14 |
| 18:35.07 | wAndyw78 | eeyore: hm. I don't think so. But now... The last item I've added was: |
| 18:35.07 | wAndyw78 | /dev/hdb2/media/VideoDaten autouser,noauto00 |
| 18:35.07 | wAndyw78 | (a ntfs drive) |
| 18:35.08 | xingu | jelly: you see, you have a way to avoid blowing your feet off (don't autoclean); I don't have a weapon at all |
| 18:35.11 | jelly | foo: played with it for 5 minutes |
| 18:35.13 | xingu | jelly: and that's just not fair is it :) |
| 18:35.21 | Piet | it happens quite often to me that a changelog file is not available on packages.debian.org |
| 18:35.22 | eeyore- | ruben: ata1.00: ATA-6: HTS541060G9AT00, MB3IA60A, max UDMA/100 |
| 18:35.30 | Piet | is there some other easy way to inspect the changelog before installing the package? |
| 18:35.31 | eeyore- | ruben: ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100 |
| 18:35.46 | jelly | Piet: aptitude changelog foo |
| 18:36.03 | wAndyw78 | dmesg |grep fstab |
| 18:36.09 | wAndyw78 | argh, sorry... |
| 18:36.10 | foo | jelly: Did you get it to work? |
| 18:36.11 | foo | ? |
| 18:36.12 | foo | whoops |
| 18:36.15 | Piet | jelly that only tries to download it off packages.debian.org, no? |
| 18:36.21 | jelly | Piet: err... sorry, you're right |
| 18:36.29 | Piet | example: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch1/changelog |
| 18:36.36 | ruben | eeyore-: the fisrts sda1 -> ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xf8832d00 ctl 0x00000000 bmdma 0x00000000 irq 21 |
| 18:36.38 | jelly | foo: sorry! you have too generic a nick |
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| 18:36.44 | foo | jelly: :P |
| 18:36.45 | stephan | hello |
| 18:36.51 | hcy | so it's confirmed, bug with make-kpkg. even after downloading and kpkg'ing a vanilla kernel, i got the same error - "The UTS Release version in include/linux/utsrelease.h "" does not match current version: "2.6.22.3.hcy" Please correct this." |
| 18:36.54 | stephan | how can i show all installed packages? |
| 18:37.13 | ruben | eeyore-: the second, and the problemary 320 Gb idea, hda: ST3320620A, ATA DISK drive hda: dma timeout error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } any idea about that? |
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| 18:37.25 | jelly | hcy: don't use a . in EXTRAVERSION, use -hcy |
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| 18:37.43 | simonrvn | *not* a bug with make-kpkg... |
| 18:37.50 | simonrvn | layer 8 bug |
| 18:37.56 | eeyore- | ruben: drive is dying :-) |
| 18:37.59 | jelly | pebkac? |
| 18:38.05 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 18:38.08 | ruben | eeyore-: what means that? |
| 18:38.18 | eeyore- | ruben: throw drive in the trash bin |
| 18:38.19 | ruben | my english is not fine |
| 18:38.20 | jelly | wetware's so buggy these days |
| 18:38.26 | uski | Hi; I have swapped my Debian 4.0 OS harddrive from my old (dead) machine to a new PC. The system boots, *but* it doesn't detect any PCI device (lspci is empty, netword card undetected, ...). Any idea of what I can do to investigate this ? Thanks ! |
| 18:38.34 | ruben | eeyore-: the hard disk is new ... :( |
| 18:38.39 | mogh | is there any tool in debian to change the hostname/network-settings? |
| 18:38.41 | simonrvn | jelly: yeh, sometimes you get a nasty flu. sucks hard |
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| 18:38.47 | simonrvn | jelly: heheh |
| 18:38.47 | ruben | mogh: hostname |
| 18:38.50 | yigal | does anyone have an intel8x0 sound card? it isn't working for me, and there are a crazy number of posts with the same error as i have without a solution on the net from Debian, Gentoo, Mandrake users. I was wondering if anyone knew anything about this? |
| 18:38.51 | eeyore- | ruben: well, drives can sometimes arrive DOA (dead on arrival) |
| 18:38.56 | hcy | jelly: my command was "make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=.hcy kernel_image" |
| 18:39.11 | simonrvn | hcy: make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-hcy kernel_image |
| 18:39.13 | eeyore- | ruben: you'd want to make sure it's not a chipset/driver bug though ... plug into another computer and run badblocks on it |
| 18:39.18 | jelly | hcy: yeah, so use "-hcy" instead of ".hcy" |
| 18:39.30 | eeyore- | yigal: which would be? |
| 18:39.32 | mogh | ruben: i meant like permanently change it |
| 18:39.39 | stephan | hey, how can i get unstable stuff? i need to edit /etc/apt/source.list |
| 18:40.01 | simonrvn | stephan: if you need to ask, don't. |
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| 18:40.05 | hcy | simonrvn, jelly: ok, thanks... and i can leave the source as is, or do i need to erase and untar it afresh? |
| 18:40.29 | simonrvn | me i'd leave it, maybe rm -rf ./debian though |
| 18:40.36 | jelly | hcy: you can leave it. debian's scripts might complain though |
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| 18:40.49 | simonrvn | or edit debian/changelog ;) |
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| 18:40.56 | jelly | and Makefile |
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| 18:41.06 | simonrvn | oh yes, that too now |
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| 18:41.29 | yigal | eeyore-: which would be what? about a problem with alsa and this card, or if there is a way to get the card working |
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| 18:41.37 | xingu | is there a command that will return a boolean for package installed/not-installed? |
| 18:41.43 | uski | Also I found a bug in the pre-init scripts in the initramfs (crypto root does not work with some HW configuration, I made a fix adding a "sleep" in a specific place in the script. Where can I report ? |
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| 18:42.09 | ruben | mogh: so the hard drive is corrupted? Do I need a special cable to run on it? my box is a p4, 1200 5 years ago |
| 18:42.20 | simonrvn | xingu: if [ ... :P |
| 18:42.20 | jelly | xingu: and not dpkg -l foo |grep -q ^.i ? |
| 18:42.30 | xingu | yuck |
| 18:42.33 | xingu | and double yuck. |
| 18:42.47 | jelly | xingu: hey, his got a good start |
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| 18:42.59 | xingu | jelly: this is *two* reasons why autoclean ought to purge uninstalled packages from cache. :) |
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| 18:43.03 | MangosDebian | xingu: dpkg -s <pkgname> ; echo $? |
| 18:43.13 | xingu | MangosDebian: tested; returns 0 for previously installed |
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| 18:43.25 | jelly | MangosDebian: negative |
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| 18:43.57 | eeyore- | yigal: all i know is you said "i have a problem" |
| 18:43.59 | MangosDebian | xingu: even if its been removed and purged? |
| 18:44.04 | xingu | MangosDebian: yup. |
| 18:44.37 | xingu | so basically the nearest match is dpkg -s | grep -E '^Status:.*not-installed.*' |
| 18:44.44 | xingu | which is gross beyond words. |
| 18:44.49 | yigal | eeyore-: i have a problem, my intel8x0 card isn't working with debian and i think alsa is related |
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| 18:45.35 | jelly | xingu: but that will catch even those that are only unpacked! |
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| 18:45.48 | uski | Do I need a specific module to get PCI support ? Where can I check ? |
| 18:46.01 | h3sp4wn | yigal: take the alsa-source (from unstable) and build that with module-assistant |
| 18:46.01 | xingu | jelly: that's fine in this specific case, I don't leave unpacked things lying about where they'll hurt people |
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| 18:46.06 | simonrvn | uski: it's an on/off thing, no module |
| 18:46.13 | yigal | h3sp4wn: ok |
| 18:46.20 | jelly | xingu: you never had a power failure while installing? |
| 18:46.24 | h3sp4wn | yigal: (just get the .deb manually from packages.debian.org and install with dpkg -i) |
| 18:46.26 | wAndyw78 | uski: show lspci show your HW? |
| 18:46.31 | xingu | jelly: not one I didn't clean up after... |
| 18:46.41 | uski | wAndyw78: nope lspci does not show anything |
| 18:46.47 | xingu | jelly: I'm not planning on doing this in rcS.d :) |
| 18:46.49 | uski | (not even an error) |
| 18:47.05 | ruben | eeyore-: hdparm -tT /dev/hda1; it returns Timing buffered disk reads: 12 MB in 3.12 seconds = 3.84 MB/sec; it is too slow nope? |
| 18:47.07 | yigal | h3sp4wn: i just got it with aptitude? |
| 18:47.29 | yigal | h3sp4wn: is there a problem getting it with apt? |
| 18:47.38 | eeyore- | ruben: should get about 25MB/sec |
| 18:47.44 | eeyore- | yigal: is this the intel HD thing? |
| 18:47.47 | wAndyw78 | does gnome-volume-manager create logfiles or messages? |
| 18:47.56 | ruben | eeyore-: :(, but I cannot set up dma ... |
| 18:47.58 | yigal | eeyore-: ? not sure about this? |
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| 18:48.19 | yigal | eeyore-: i am getting errors like: ALSA lib confmisc.c:769:(parse_card) cannot find card '' |
| 18:48.33 | xingu | AHA! |
| 18:48.35 | yigal | eeyore-: and alsaconf doesn't help |
| 18:48.40 | xingu | dpkg-query --show |
| 18:48.55 | Seb | i have another one for you luminaries in here |
| 18:48.58 | Seb | ;) |
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| 18:49.06 | h3sp4wn | yigal: probably you will pull in lots of extra stuff from unstable (unless you have already set up pinning) |
| 18:49.15 | Seb | how do I search on the packages keywords ? |
| 18:49.19 | jelly | xingu: you still have to grep |
| 18:49.22 | Seb | s/keywords/tags/ |
| 18:49.23 | abrotman | eeyore-: you've been hiding again! |
| 18:49.33 | yigal | h3sp4wn: i have a bit, it just got what i needed, thanks |
| 18:49.37 | xingu | aah, boo |
| 18:49.41 | jelly | xingu: or at least check for presence of $2 |
| 18:49.48 | xingu | jelly: invalid test case disease. |
| 18:49.49 | yigal | h3sp4wn: its building now, cross fingers |
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| 18:49.55 | Seb | like apt-cache search --tag=interface::x11 ldap |
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| 18:50.12 | wad | I'd like to unmount a filesystem, but I get a message that "the device is busy". How can I see what is using it? |
| 18:50.23 | Seb | wad: lsof |
| 18:50.27 | wad | thanks |
| 18:50.27 | Seb | wad: of fuser |
| 18:50.30 | Seb | s/of/or/ |
| 18:50.34 | jelly | !device is busy |
| 18:50.34 | dpkg | jelly: i already had it that way |
| 18:50.41 | Seb | heh |
| 18:50.52 | jelly | VERY useful |
| 18:51.08 | Seb | so, package tags and searching for them :> |
| 18:51.17 | jelly | !device |
| 18:51.17 | dpkg | somebody said device was busy |
| 18:51.23 | jelly | ah! |
| 18:51.24 | Seb | don't make me take this question to #debian-devel ;) |
| 18:51.26 | wad | lol, found it. It was me. |
| 18:52.09 | jelly | stupid bot, "device is busy" ought to be excluded from the "A is B" command |
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| 18:52.32 | jelly | dpkg, forget device |
| 18:52.33 | dpkg | i forgot device, jelly |
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| 18:53.00 | Wedhus_Liar | hello all |
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| 18:53.11 | Wedhus_Liar | i need help about autostart |
| 18:53.14 | abrotman | Wedhus_Liar: try #kanotix |
| 18:53.26 | Wedhus_Liar | no not kanotix again |
| 18:53.33 | Wedhus_Liar | i ask on debian base |
| 18:54.03 | abrotman | Wedhus_Liar: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
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| 18:54.10 | jelly | !device is busy |
| 18:54.11 | dpkg | ...but device is already something else... |
| 18:54.22 | abrotman | (even though the bot told Wedhus_Liar how to do this an hour ago) |
| 18:54.24 | Wedhus_Liar | i use woody rc6 |
| 18:54.47 | Wedhus_Liar | i install crossover |
| 18:55.03 | wAndyw78 | any hint for my automount problem with gnome mentioned above? if I plug in the device gnome-volume-manager should mount it. How can I find the problem, dmesg shows no error. Any other logfiles? |
| 18:55.22 | abrotman | Wedhus_Liar: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
| 18:55.25 | Wedhus_Liar | i want to autostart program on crossover emulator |
| 18:55.26 | jelly | Wedhus_Liar: uh, you use a pre-release of the old version of Debian? |
| 18:55.46 | abrotman | i doubt crossover even runs on that |
| 18:55.47 | Wedhus_Liar | yes, old version |
| 18:56.12 | jelly | Wedhus_Liar: crossover requires X afair |
| 18:56.19 | Wedhus_Liar | yes |
| 18:56.20 | xingu | jelly: dpkg-query --showformat='${Package} ${Status}\n' --show '*' | awk '/not-installed/ { print $1 }' | while read package; do mynuke ${package}; done |
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| 18:56.32 | Wedhus_Liar | than, i use sarge |
| 18:56.49 | Wedhus_Liar | i install again on sarge |
| 18:56.50 | xingu | jelly: still grosser than gross; then a second loop testing dpkg -s for rc=1 for packages never installed. |
| 18:56.55 | Wedhus_Liar | n can running |
| 18:56.59 | xingu | jelly: I demand a refund. |
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| 18:57.01 | jelly | xingu: while it might be a bit more correct, dpkg -l | grep ^.i is much shorter :-) |
| 18:57.22 | abrotman | Wedhus_Liar: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
| 18:57.25 | xingu | jelly: think about the disks! won't anybody think about the poor disks? :) |
| 18:57.27 | jelly | xingu: feel free to do a grep -v '^.[pr]' |
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| 18:57.36 | abrotman | Wedhus_Liar: if you can't provide us with that information .. go back to #kanotix |
| 18:57.37 | Wedhus_Liar | i want to autostart some program on crossover] |
| 18:57.59 | Wedhus_Liar | don't angry abrotman |
| 18:58.05 | jelly | Wedhus_Liar: so autostart X first, then put whatever you want in .Xsession |
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| 18:58.11 | abrotman | then go to #kanotix |
| 18:58.12 | jelly | or wherever |
| 18:58.18 | abrotman | !tell Wedhus_Liar about kanotix |
| 18:58.22 | abrotman | !tell Wedhus_Liar about based on debian |
| 18:58.38 | nootoyahora | I'm having trouble with gammu and my nokia 6300 connecting with bluetooth, it does not pair with my linux... anydoby can help me? |
| 18:58.38 | jelly | abrotman: the liar is using woody, dude! |
| 18:58.41 | streuner | !abrotman++ |
| 18:58.45 | abrotman | jelly: not likely |
| 18:58.45 | Wedhus_Liar | no i'm on debian not kanotix again |
| 18:58.49 | Wedhus_Liar | pleasseeee |
| 18:58.50 | abrotman | Wedhus_Liar: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
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| 18:58.58 | abrotman | why can't you show us that single line ? |
| 18:59.29 | jelly | abrotman: doesn't matter, it might even be correct for a testing woody :-| |
| 18:59.38 | abrotman | jelly: well .. then let's see it |
| 19:00.00 | jelly | Wedhus_Liar: I'll set it up for you for $75/hr, one hour minimum. |
| 19:00.05 | Wedhus_Liar | abrotman, now i use Windows, n emulate debian sarge |
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| 19:00.12 | abrotman | i already told him the information he wants to know .. AN HOUR AGO |
| 19:00.23 | jelly | hush, easy money |
| 19:00.24 | tru_`z24 | I am trying to install sendmail on my server,but it fails because apt-get cannot remove netkit-inetd. how can i install sendmail ? |
| 19:00.39 | streuner | !sendmail |
| 19:00.39 | dpkg | well, sendmail is one of the orginal MTAs. Generally, if you don't know why you'd want to run sendmail, you shouldn't. Use nullmailer, esmtp, exim or postfix instead. see the oreilly book of the same name. |
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| 19:00.56 | streuner | if you don't know, just don't do it! |
| 19:01.38 | streuner | tru_`z24: show us the whole error in paster bot |
| 19:01.42 | sysfault | has anyone had any problems setting up a wireless kb/mouse in debian? Is it autodetected during installation from a minimal cd? |
| 19:01.46 | streuner | !paste |
| 19:01.46 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 19:01.53 | tru_`z24 | well, i'll try to install a diff mailer |
| 19:02.05 | abrotman | sysfault: RF or BT ? |
| 19:02.15 | tru_`z24 | but i guess the more troubling problem is why all these modules depend on apt-get removing netkit-inetd |
| 19:02.24 | sysfault | abrotman: bt -- bluetooth? |
| 19:02.29 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:02.33 | sysfault | abrotman: rf? |
| 19:02.37 | abrotman | IR ? |
| 19:02.40 | sysfault | its not bluetooth. |
| 19:02.44 | abrotman | where it has its own reciever |
| 19:02.55 | abrotman | whereas bluetooth has it in the machine i usppose |
| 19:02.57 | jelly | tru_`z24: which debian release? |
| 19:02.59 | abrotman | if it's RF/IR .. should be fine |
| 19:03.10 | sysfault | yes, it has a reciever. |
| 19:03.27 | tru_`z24 | 3.1 |
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| 19:03.54 | jelly | tru_`z24: uhh... do you have "stable" in your /etc/apt/sources.list, or "sarge"? |
| 19:04.13 | tru_`z24 | stable |
| 19:04.15 | jelly | tru_`z24: you should use "sarge", or upgrade to etch. |
| 19:04.21 | Wedhus_Liar | ii libc6 2.3.6.dsl-4 GNU c Library: shared library |
| 19:04.24 | tru_`z24 | jelly: its a co-loc box tho :-( |
| 19:04.28 | jelly | !sarge->etch |
| 19:04.28 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. also ask me about <security> |
| 19:04.29 | abrotman | !info libc6 sarge |
| 19:04.32 | Wedhus_Liar | abrotman |
| 19:04.37 | abrotman | oh wait .. that's Damn Small Linux :) |
| 19:04.39 | Wedhus_Liar | abrotman |
| 19:04.44 | Wedhus_Liar | abrotman |
| 19:04.45 | Wedhus_Liar | abrotman |
| 19:04.46 | abrotman | so it's STILL not debian |
| 19:04.46 | Wedhus_Liar | ii libc6 2.3.6.dsl-4 GNU c Library: shared library |
| 19:04.48 | xingu | 754MB wasted on crap which is purged and will never expire from cache. |
| 19:04.56 | Wedhus_Liar | i use sarge |
| 19:04.56 | jelly | Wedhus_Liar: that looks like damn small linux. |
| 19:05.02 | Wedhus_Liar | grgrgrgrgrgrgrg |
| 19:05.08 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 (sarge), Packaged size: 4771 kB, Installed size: 15320 kB |
| 19:05.11 | streuner | haha |
| 19:05.14 | abrotman | oh look .. still not sarge! |
| 19:05.19 | eeyore- | back! |
| 19:05.20 | MangosDebian | Wedhus_Liar: you okay? |
| 19:05.22 | abrotman | !info etch libc6 |
| 19:05.24 | streuner | Wedhus_Liar: ok, go to #dsl :-) |
| 19:05.26 | tru_`z24 | streuner: http://rafb.net/p/jdSTfc15.html |
| 19:05.28 | tru_`z24 | that is the error |
| 19:05.38 | eeyore- | i'm sorry, what did i miss? |
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| 19:05.41 | Wedhus_Liar | i update that |
| 19:05.46 | abrotman | Wedhus_Liar: you can't |
| 19:05.51 | streuner | eeyore-: not much |
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| 19:06.04 | eeyore- | yigal: is this intel HD audio thingie? |
| 19:06.05 | Wedhus_Liar | i update that but working properly |
| 19:06.24 | eeyore- | yigal: because THAT card isn't handled by the intel8x0 driver |
| 19:06.27 | jelly | Wedhus_Liar: why not just install REAL debian, if you want help from these people that would be the safest approach. |
| 19:06.28 | eeyore- | hey abrotman |
| 19:06.33 | streuner | tru_`z24: the question is still, why the fuck you want install sendmail? |
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| 19:06.39 | eeyore- | abrotman: we're going to OBX next weekend. wanna come? |
| 19:06.42 | tru_`z24 | I want to install a mailer for php to use |
| 19:06.43 | wAndyw78 | lshal |
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| 19:06.48 | tru_`z24 | i was using sendmial on my old server |
| 19:06.50 | abrotman | eeyore-: i was just on cape cod! |
| 19:06.51 | azeem | tru_`z24: use exim4 or postfix |
| 19:06.54 | tru_`z24 | ok |
| 19:06.56 | Wedhus_Liar | i just try other library to install on sarge |
| 19:07.02 | azeem | tru_`z24: if you're an sendmail *expert* ok |
| 19:07.05 | jelly | tru_`z24: first thing to do though, is NOT INSTALL ANYTHING JUST YET |
| 19:07.16 | Wedhus_Liar | but i false chose library and my debian not work |
| 19:07.16 | tru_`z24 | I don't give a damn about sendmail, just need the php scripts to be able to send mail :_0 |
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| 19:07.19 | azeem | tru_`z24: otherwise, it's really discouraged |
| 19:07.25 | tru_`z24 | I am not a sendmail expert |
| 19:07.28 | tru_`z24 | Nor do I want to be |
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| 19:07.33 | jelly | tru_`z24: paste the output of " dpkg -l libc6 " please |
| 19:07.37 | streuner | so dont use it |
| 19:07.44 | eeyore- | TrueDD: that's different ... why not just popen() and pump raw SMTP commands? |
| 19:07.49 | eeyore- | tru_`z24: ^^ |
| 19:07.50 | jelly | tru_`z24: sorry, dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 19:07.51 | Wedhus_Liar | so, what i can do??? |
| 19:08.00 | tru_`z24 | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 19:08.02 | abrotman | Wedhus_Liar: ask the correct channel for your version of linux |
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| 19:08.28 | TrueDD | eeyore-, ??? lol |
| 19:08.28 | jelly | tru_`z24: ok. you already have etch's libc6. best thing to do would be to upgrade to etch completely, first. |
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| 19:08.43 | helo | xine, amarok, totem have both stopped working... they just freeze on launch |
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| 19:08.53 | xand | O.O |
| 19:08.54 | tru_`z24 | jelly: i would LOVE to do that, but this is a co-loc server and I don't want to disable it since I'm not there to fix it |
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| 19:08.58 | helo | err... all |
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| 19:09.25 | abrotman | hrm .. HymnToLife joins .. then limit set to 777 ? |
| 19:09.29 | jelly | tru_`z24: then change your /etc/apt/sources.list to point to "sarge" instead of "stable" |
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| 19:09.42 | Wedhus_Liar | abrotman, can u help me?? |
| 19:10.14 | wAndyw78 | okay: i got " not a mountable volume:" from gnome-volume-manager when I plug in the USB-Stick |
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| 19:10.24 | Wedhus_Liar | T_T |
| 19:10.29 | jelly | tru_`z24: use sarge, and upgrade your system ASAP. parts of it are already from etch, and you might not get proper security updates. |
| 19:11.06 | jelly | abrotman: you into numerology? |
| 19:11.26 | p_masho | anyone know a tool that tells me what application/process is writing reading to hard disk. Have this situation where the disk gets busy whilst idle and want to know what is going on.. tia |
| 19:11.53 | jelly | tru_`z24: pastebin your sources.list (for good measure) |
| 19:12.06 | tru_`z24 | k, one sec |
| 19:12.14 | Wedhus_Liar | abrotman, can u help me?? |
| 19:12.22 | Wedhus_Liar | abrotman or other , can u help me?? |
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| 19:12.46 | jelly | p_masho: this might help: "echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump", then look at kern.log / dmesg |
| 19:12.53 | tru_`z24 | http://rafb.net/p/8ylTxW86.html |
| 19:13.04 | Danski0 | I seem to have the same problem as tru_`z24 here(did miss the beginning of the converstation though) - can't send mail from my php-script and exim gives "uroutable address" |
| 19:13.18 | abrotman | jelly: ? |
| 19:13.29 | jelly | abrotman: ?? |
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| 19:13.33 | abrotman | Wedhus_Liar: absolutely not |
| 19:13.42 | abrotman | jelly: it was just something i noticed :) |
| 19:14.04 | Ronin | abrotman: absolutely not? let me guess they run a debian fork? |
| 19:14.09 | p_masho | jelly: was thinking more of a desktop application ;-) |
| 19:14.21 | xand | Wedhus_Liar: can't you spell "you"? it's only three letters ;) |
| 19:14.23 | jelly | p_masho: hah |
| 19:14.27 | tru_`z24 | it seems that exim is already installed... how can i send a test mail via command line with it? |
| 19:14.31 | abrotman | Ronin: you need more beer .. you're guessing correctly :) |
| 19:14.34 | tru_`z24 | guess i could google that :-) |
| 19:14.36 | xand | tru_`z24: "mail" |
| 19:14.39 | logd | hi some1 uses fluxbox with a locale diferent from english -? |
| 19:14.49 | Danski0 | mail test@testdomain.com |
| 19:14.50 | xand | !it |
| 19:14.50 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C' anche il canale #linux-it l. |
| 19:15.49 | Ronin | abrotman: no beer yet, im still at work and for some odd reason govt has no sense of humour regardign that |
| 19:15.53 | xingu | jelly: ls /var/cache/apt/archives/*deb | while read p; do dpkg-query --status `basename $p | cut -d_ -f1` >/dev/null 2>&1 || echo rm $p; done <-- that's the second loop |
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| 19:16.10 | helo | !pastebin |
| 19:16.10 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
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| 19:16.46 | jelly | xingu: oh, you needed that to clean the cache? I thought it was some other issue :-) |
| 19:17.19 | xingu | jelly: and it's aaaaaall because apt-cache autoclean was bounced on its head as a baby. |
| 19:17.36 | jelly | xingu: could have just done a clean and redownload |
| 19:17.52 | xingu | another 1.6MB worth of crap in that second set btw. |
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| 19:18.30 | eeyore- | back again! |
| 19:18.37 | davidprock1981 | If u have a cell phone that formats the memory card at Fat16, for music, pictures, Etc. .. Could the phone tell a difference if linux was to write to the card V.S. Windows ??? |
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| 19:18.54 | eeyore- | tru_`z24: pipe = popen("/usr/sbin/sendmail license-request@foo.com", "w"); |
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| 19:19.25 | xand | davidprock1981: no |
| 19:19.25 | foo | eeyore-: Wow, there is a domain after me |
| 19:19.25 | tru_`z24 | eeyore-: i thought we were trying to use something other than sendmail? |
| 19:19.37 | jelly | eeyore-: ew. |
| 19:19.50 | eeyore- | jelly: hey, don't knock it, it works! |
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| 19:20.10 | helo | i'm having some problems with xine, amarok and totem: they just hang on startup... firefox's flash plugin plays audio just fine... backtraces of where totem and xine are hanging are here: http://rafb.net/p/qQ2MqE30.html |
| 19:20.13 | jelly | eeyore-: doesn't his language of choice already have an /usr/lib/sendmail wrapper function? |
| 19:20.22 | eeyore- | tru_`z24: you could also use php's internal SMTP functionality, but you know what? popen() is quick and dirty and WORKS JUST FINE! :-) |
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| 19:20.37 | tru_`z24 | eeyore-: thats fine, but i cannot get sendmail installed |
| 19:20.41 | Kartoffelsalat | I've install alsa-base, than i used alsaconf (as root) and alsamixer (max volume -> all), problem: i won't hear anything :( |
| 19:20.41 | wAndyw78 | aaaaaaah. I've found the problem with my broken automount |
| 19:20.43 | cybersat | hello |
| 19:20.51 | roe_ | can anyone help me figure how to use arping to get the IP of a MAC address? |
| 19:20.53 | cybersat | anaybody please fill this form |
| 19:20.53 | cybersat | http://www.desktoplinux.com/cgi-bin/survey/survey.cgi?id=0813200712407 |
| 19:20.54 | wAndyw78 | interested? |
| 19:20.54 | eeyore- | tru_`z24: postfix? |
| 19:20.57 | jelly | tru_`z24: have you updated your sources.list? |
| 19:21.06 | tru_`z24 | jelly: i posted it in pastebin |
| 19:21.11 | davidprock1981 | xand, when i did "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb" could that have caused a problem did i leave any pramiters out? |
| 19:21.13 | tru_`z24 | http://rafb.net/p/8ylTxW86.html |
| 19:21.17 | cybersat | or, everybody :P http://www.desktoplinux.com/cgi-bin/survey/survey.cgi?id=0813200712407 |
| 19:21.38 | eeyore- | abrotman: so you're saying you've had enough of the beach for a while? |
| 19:21.40 | dererk | Happy DebianDay for all :-) |
| 19:21.41 | xand | davidprock1981: I don't see why, what's the actual problem? |
| 19:21.50 | jelly | tru_`z24: replace all instances of "stable" with "sarge" |
| 19:22.05 | eeyore- | abrotman: but, this time of year, OBX should be nice and warm ... yeah, that's the ticket ... warm salty ocean ... the way all oceans are supposed to be |
| 19:22.21 | davidprock1981 | when linux rite to the card the phone will not read it, wit with windows "Some times it will", but never on linux |
| 19:22.28 | xand | eeyore-: I'd be worried if the artic sea was warm. |
| 19:22.38 | xand | oh wait... |
| 19:22.41 | eeyore- | xand: yeah well, *i* can hope :-) |
| 19:22.45 | jelly | tru_`z24: also, add a line like this: deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 19:22.58 | xand | davidprock1981: did you unmount it properly? |
| 19:23.04 | davidprock1981 | yes |
| 19:23.18 | jelly | tru_`z24: then do an update, then try installing a _sensible_ SMTP server like postfix or exim4 |
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| 19:23.20 | eeyore- | xand: maybe then my 6000ft lot on the mountain we're thinking of buying will pay off |
| 19:23.26 | davidprock1981 | umount /dev/sdb1 |
| 19:23.27 | xand | haha |
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| 19:24.12 | abrotman | eeyore-: i was sailing :) |
| 19:24.17 | abrotman | eeyore-: i win! |
| 19:24.21 | eeyore- | abrotman: sharkbait |
| 19:24.25 | Kartoffelsalat | noone has idea for my alsa problem? |
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| 19:24.37 | eeyore- | Kartoffelsalat: what problem? |
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| 19:24.58 | xand | hmmm... 8.25pm... bedtime :| |
| 19:25.22 | davidprock1981 | xand, with out haveing a file system on the card how can i make it completly one million % as if the card was never bought, just off the shelf |
| 19:25.26 | Kartoffelsalat | eeyore-: no sound, aptituded alsa-base = no sound, than configured via alsaconf and alsamixer = no sound |
| 19:25.35 | wAndyw78 | Okay, for those who are interested: gnome-volume-manager stopped automounting my USB-Medias. Now I found the problem. I used gparted yesterday an it crashed. And it leaves /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/gparted-disable-automount.fdi after removing and restarting hald, gnome mounts my USB-Stick again automatically |
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| 19:26.01 | davidprock1981 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:26.20 | xand | mkfs.vfat |
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| 19:26.38 | Wild_Goat | Hello all |
| 19:26.41 | davidprock1981 | with no fs on it |
| 19:26.41 | Kartoffelsalat | ho |
| 19:26.47 | davidprock1981 | ? |
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| 19:27.02 | xand | davidprock1981: I think those type of cards tend to come formatted |
| 19:27.03 | Wild_Goat | anybody can help me |
| 19:27.07 | Wild_Goat | anybody can help me? |
| 19:27.10 | Kartoffelsalat | ? |
| 19:27.16 | Kartoffelsalat | your problem is hello? |
| 19:27.26 | xand | Wild_Goat: no, because you didn't ask a question |
| 19:27.40 | streuner | !ask |
| 19:27.40 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:27.52 | jelly | davidprock1981: you could try to zero it, but the manufacturer or someone knowedgeable enough might find out it's been written to. |
| 19:27.55 | davidprock1981 | does the os that formats it leave some kind of marker on the filesystem |
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| 19:28.52 | davidprock1981 | jelly, im not rting to return hte card, just make a totaly clean slate |
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| 19:29.05 | peterius | hey, I can't get java plugin to work with iceweasel/firefox, I downloaded latest jre, linked to the plugin, but nothing, no complaints, no java |
| 19:29.38 | jelly | davidprock1981: zero it, eg. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=65536 |
| 19:29.47 | Supaplex | java's dead ;) |
| 19:29.54 | davidprock1981 | thanks |
| 19:29.55 | peterius | well obviously, but seriously |
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| 19:30.06 | Kartoffelsalat | someone know it debianhandbuch.de is mirrored somwhere? |
| 19:30.06 | wAndyw78 | i thin /dev/urandom is a better source jelly ? |
| 19:30.08 | davidprock1981 | tit is /dev/sdb1 |
| 19:30.14 | Kartoffelsalat | arg, my english... |
| 19:30.33 | Wild_Goat | wkwkwkwk |
| 19:30.37 | jelly | wAndyw78: he's not trying to hide the data, just clean it up |
| 19:30.54 | wAndyw78 | Ah |
| 19:31.00 | Wild_Goat | i want to start program on windows emulator |
| 19:31.10 | Kartoffelsalat | which debian, which emulator, etc. |
| 19:31.11 | Kartoffelsalat | ? |
| 19:31.11 | jelly | Wild_Goat: crossover? |
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| 19:31.29 | Wild_Goat | but i don't know what i must do it |
| 19:31.36 | Wild_Goat | yes, crossover |
| 19:31.36 | Kartoffelsalat | WHICH! |
| 19:31.41 | jelly | Wild_Goat: DUDE. |
| 19:31.54 | jelly | Wild_Goat: didn't you get enough the last two times? :-) |
| 19:31.55 | davidprock1981 | jelly if the device is /dev/sdb would this be the command, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=65536 |
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| 19:32.14 | peterius | no one knows java plugins? |
| 19:32.15 | Wild_Goat | ?? last two time?? |
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| 19:32.32 | davidprock1981 | does this part stay the same/dev/zero |
| 19:32.38 | Kartoffelsalat | peterius: java? install from sun, or did you mean anything else? (only a few minutes here :)) |
| 19:32.39 | eeyore- | man i'm busy today. what's up with that? i'm actually doing my job for a change? :-) |
| 19:32.39 | jelly | davidprock1981: yes. just make sure you don't wipe the wrong device ;-) |
| 19:32.39 | Braindead | Wild_Goat: crossover is a proprietary commercial application. you payed for it, ask their help desk |
| 19:32.44 | eeyore- | Kartoffelsalat: what's the chipset? |
| 19:32.48 | peterius | yeah, install from sun |
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| 19:32.59 | Wild_Goat | can i ask on this forum?? |
| 19:33.03 | jelly | Wild_Goat: you have the same IP address. |
| 19:33.04 | yigal | h3sp4wn: compiled alsa but that wasnt the issue for some reason the sound devices weren't being created. once i ran /usr/share/alsa-base/snddevices sound was up and running |
| 19:33.05 | peterius | made symbol link from mozilla plugins to the jre dir |
| 19:33.11 | peterius | everything from install directions on sun site |
| 19:33.22 | peterius | but I don't even know where an error would be, tools->error console shows nothing |
| 19:33.24 | davidprock1981 | jelly:, it is a 1GB card so does the 65536 need to change |
| 19:33.25 | eeyore- | abrotman: we're still looking to buy a kayak to take the kids out to the lakes and stuff |
| 19:33.28 | Kartoffelsalat | eeyore: via, works perfect when i install debian with gnome or xfce or kde (this standard + desktop installation, but i only want standard + laptop + myfavwm-openbox) |
| 19:33.40 | Wild_Goat | same IP address?? |
| 19:33.42 | abrotman | eeyore-: i wish i had one! |
| 19:33.46 | eeyore- | Kartoffelsalat: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 19:33.49 | Wild_Goat | oooohhh, my friend?? |
| 19:33.50 | jelly | davidprock1981: no |
| 19:33.53 | cybersat | fill this, we must win over the ubuntus http://www.desktoplinux.com/cgi-bin/survey/survey.cgi?id=0813200712407 |
| 19:33.54 | cybersat | fill this, we must win over the ubuntus http://www.desktoplinux.com/cgi-bin/survey/survey.cgi?id=0813200712407 |
| 19:33.56 | eeyore- | Kartoffelsalat: lsmod | grep ^snd- |
| 19:34.03 | azeem | cybersat: stop that |
| 19:34.05 | Kartoffelsalat | k, will try |
| 19:34.06 | jelly | Wild_Goat: Wedhus_Liar |
| 19:34.17 | eeyore- | cybersat: dude ... |
| 19:34.18 | Kartoffelsalat | desktoplinux = stupid, the result is fake^3 |
| 19:34.20 | cybersat | azeem ok |
| 19:34.23 | Wild_Goat | oooh |
| 19:34.27 | cybersat | bye |
| 19:34.29 | Wild_Goat | he is my friend |
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| 19:34.48 | Kartoffelsalat | they ad menupoints (!?) when you write some them... so result of this voting ist ... forget it |
| 19:35.10 | peterius | what channel might I go to find advice on java and browser plugins? |
| 19:35.13 | peterius | mozilla is empty |
| 19:35.17 | jelly | Wild_Goat: well, he's been unsuccessfully trying to ask how to make a windows app run automatically on a kanotix or a DSL system. |
| 19:35.22 | abrotman | peterius: they do have irc.mozilla.org |
| 19:35.27 | Braindead | Wild_Goat: then ask your friend why you're on the wrong place. |
| 19:35.29 | abrotman | jelly: it's the same person .. come on |
| 19:35.31 | peterius | abrotman: thx |
| 19:35.34 | jelly | abrotman: ssssh |
| 19:35.35 | abrotman | peterius: or ask here |
| 19:35.45 | jelly | abrotman: I'm hunting wabbits. |
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| 19:35.49 | peterius | I did |
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| 19:35.50 | Wild_Goat | we use debian not DSL |
| 19:35.53 | Kartoffelsalat | eeyore-: sorry, but by your first cat i get "not found" and by the second i get nothing |
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| 19:35.56 | peterius | I followed install from sun website, no java, no errors |
| 19:36.08 | Wild_Goat | my friend use debian n kanotix |
| 19:36.09 | Braindead | peterius: did I understande properly? java installed from sun? |
| 19:36.17 | peterius | downloaded jre from sun site |
| 19:36.20 | Braindead | peterius: bad. |
| 19:36.28 | peterius | why? |
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| 19:36.31 | azeem | peterius: there are debs for it on ftp.debian.org |
| 19:36.35 | yigal | peterius: what about locate, or find do they bring up actual libraries that were/should have been installed |
| 19:36.35 | peterius | I mean they make java |
| 19:36.44 | Braindead | I mean you're using debian |
| 19:36.48 | uski | Hi again, for those who remember my problem with my PC not detecting any PCI device and who are interested in the solution: I added the "noapic" option to the kernel boot, and it works now. Any idea why ? :) |
| 19:36.54 | azeem | peterius: RedHat makes glibc nowadays, it doesn't mean you should install it from sources.redhat.com |
| 19:37.03 | peterius | braindead: sort of... I don't really like... package management so much... |
| 19:37.15 | azeem | peterius: uh, then ask in #sun-java, not ehre |
| 19:37.16 | azeem | here* |
| 19:37.18 | peterius | why can't I download jre and link it? |
| 19:37.20 | wAndyw78 | uski: bad bios? |
| 19:37.21 | peterius | sun-java, |
| 19:37.22 | Braindead | peterius: tought shit. enjoy the bright side of being a slackware user |
| 19:37.24 | peterius | we'll do, thx |
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| 19:37.31 | Braindead | ahem tough shit |
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| 19:37.41 | uski | wAndyw78:: probably, it's a "fujitsu siemens" modified motherboard... |
| 19:37.41 | jelly | Wild_Goat: please paste the output of dpkg -l libc6 base-files|tail -2 |
| 19:37.44 | itchi | I dont's see the problem if there's more Ubuntu users. Anyway, i'm near sure that there's more new GNU/Linux users (these last time) as experienced one. Even my colleague at work wana try Ubuntu. Wtf, i could not believe him :-p |
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| 19:38.14 | uski | Thanks for all guys (and girls?) ; see ya ! :) |
| 19:38.43 | Kartoffelsalat | eeyore-: i won't get information with your commands, first command = file not foud, second = nothing, but i get information without grep, but that's not relevant i think :( |
| 19:38.47 | itchi | uski: On my AMD XP 1800 i need to add noapic nolapic but ... you're gone, who care :-p |
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| 19:39.21 | Guiwald | @+ ! |
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| 19:40.12 | ravenbird | [!] what my sibling dpkg uses instead of ~, or not |
| 19:40.29 | itchi | I'm still happy that there's that much Ubuntu users, honesty, and i'm proud about it. Cause it's Debian bassed for n00bs :-) This let new people come to us |
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| 19:40.56 | Kartoffelsalat | @heise.de: ubuntu is a african word for "i cannot configure debian" |
| 19:40.56 | ravenbird | Kartoffelsalat: okay |
| 19:41.00 | Braindead | yeah. new people using ubuntu and asking for help here |
| 19:41.16 | jelly | itchi: no, Ubuntu is Ubuntu for noobs. |
| 19:41.18 | Braindead | like peterius, for instance. and he doesn't even like package management |
| 19:41.21 | wAndyw78 | itchi: I've tried Ubuntu on my office-PC.. but I didn't like it. can't figure out why... |
| 19:41.22 | yigal | itchi: i don't like ignorant end users to be honest - at least ones who aren't willing to put in the work to get their computer to work |
| 19:41.26 | itchi | Braindead: That's another story/problem :-) |
| 19:41.49 | Kartoffelsalat | anyway, i like both OS, but more debian |
| 19:41.53 | itchi | I don't use *buntu btw :-) |
| 19:41.54 | tru_`z24 | can you make nullmailer listen on port 25? |
| 19:41.56 | Kartoffelsalat | debian itself |
| 19:42.12 | Braindead | tru_`z24: nope |
| 19:42.17 | yigal | itchi: they create this immense noise, so that the fixes to problems are much more difficult to find |
| 19:42.19 | tru_`z24 | rgr |
| 19:42.20 | jelly | tru_`z24: have you updated your sources.list? |
| 19:42.22 | Kartoffelsalat | ravenbird: yes? |
| 19:42.22 | ravenbird | from memory, yes is no, or the opposite of no |
| 19:42.25 | Braindead | it's not what nullmailer is made for. it's a simple relayer |
| 19:42.30 | tru_`z24 | jelly: i was trying to get nullmailer working before i resorted to that |
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| 19:42.40 | eeyore- | Kartoffelsalat: it just means you didn't load the alsa driver for your card, then |
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| 19:42.47 | tru_`z24 | LIke i said before i'm afraid of the server being put into an unusuable state |
| 19:42.56 | zk | is there any software keylogger for linux that support usb keyboard? |
| 19:43.04 | jelly | tru_`z24: it's ALREADY in an unusable state |
| 19:43.06 | eeyore- | zk: nice try |
| 19:43.07 | yigal | itchi: i am an elitist, however, and if it wasn't for the fact that Debian is better, in my opinion, than all of the BSD |
| 19:43.12 | Kartoffelsalat | eeyore-: how can i load it? i have no idea and haven't found anything at google :/ |
| 19:43.14 | itchi | yigal: Yeah, i have a bit heard of these crap :-s |
| 19:43.16 | yigal | itchi: s I would be using BSD |
| 19:43.21 | tru_`z24 | jelly: i was able to install nullmailer tho |
| 19:43.21 | eeyore- | Kartoffelsalat: did you run "alsaconf"? |
| 19:43.27 | Kartoffelsalat | eeyore-: yes |
| 19:43.28 | azeem | yigal, itchi: please discuss this elsewhere |
| 19:43.29 | jelly | tru_`z24: going back to sarge repos would at least make more packages installable |
| 19:43.43 | itchi | yigal: I meaned about the noise these make |
| 19:43.50 | Kartoffelsalat | eeyore-: i can choose between a via-soundcard and a "dont use this = unstable!111" card, mom |
| 19:43.51 | eeyore- | Kartoffelsalat: did you then start the alsa init script? what's the name of that script? i don't remember ... /etc/init.d/asound? |
| 19:44.00 | Kartoffelsalat | allready tried |
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| 19:44.08 | zk | eeyore : why? |
| 19:44.08 | eeyore- | Kartoffelsalat: and, did it not load the module? |
| 19:44.20 | jelly | tru_`z24: you have a system that's halfway between sarge and etch. If I were you, I wouldn't install any more etch packages. |
| 19:44.23 | eeyore- | zk: who legitimately needs keylogger? |
| 19:44.40 | zk | eeyore : people who wants to record all that happens on their computers |
| 19:44.42 | Kartoffelsalat | eeyore-: via82xx and legacy (do not use legacy <= warning) |
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| 19:44.44 | jelly | tru_`z24: or if I did, I'd upgrade it completely. Note that things would break. |
| 19:45.07 | yigal | Kartoffelsalat: is your sound card not working? |
| 19:45.13 | davidprock1981 | jelly, see when hte phone formats it it does it in like 2 to 3 seconds, so im ZEROing this bitch, hope it helps lol |
| 19:45.28 | Kartoffelsalat | yigal: seems so, but i am not shure (have no sound) - installed alsa-base |
| 19:45.49 | Kartoffelsalat | eeyore-: "Loading ALSA sound driver modules: (none to reload) (there is no start at this script!?) |
| 19:46.04 | eeyore- | Kartoffelsalat: well then that is your problem isn't it? |
| 19:46.16 | yigal | Kartoffelsalat: have you also installed alsa-oss, alsa-tools ? |
| 19:46.22 | jelly | davidprock1981: the phone just creates a fat filesystem, a small entry at the beginning of the drive. you're now wiping it completely, it will take a while. |
| 19:46.28 | yigal | Kartoffelsalat: have your run alsaconf yet? |
| 19:46.43 | zk | well nobody could help...guess that doesn't exists :-/ |
| 19:47.02 | Kartoffelsalat | yigal: i installed last time alsa-oss only for skype, not this time - but i can install it, alsa-tools now installing, yes i run alsaconf |
| 19:47.05 | Kartoffelsalat | had run |
| 19:47.51 | jelly | zk: no reason why there would have to be a special keylogger just for usb... do your own homework |
| 19:47.55 | yigal | Kartoffelsalat: did you reload alsa, or use /etc/init.d/alsa for anything? |
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| 19:48.21 | Kartoffelsalat | yigal: i loaded and unloaded so often, that i am tired ;-) |
| 19:48.34 | davidprock1981 | any way to look at the card as in hex, so i can comapre the phone format after a zero, and then zero it and let windows format it and look at it in hex, the raw stuff u get what im saying> so i can compare to see if the phone does any thing different |
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| 19:48.40 | zk | jelly : i tried LKL but that doesn't support usb logging....well...no need to be so angry |
| 19:48.42 | Kartoffelsalat | yigal: i geht "nonte to reload" and "none loaded" |
| 19:48.47 | yigal | Kartoffelsalat: if you unloaded there is a good chance that they cannot easily be loaded automagically |
| 19:49.17 | zk | jelly : not like i'm asking for something to use remotely ....just on my own pc...i deserve to know what other people types on my PC :) |
| 19:49.32 | yigal | Kartoffelsalat: to be more specific if you issued: /etc/initi.d/alsa force-unload - you will have to load your modules and the alsa command will probably not work |
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| 19:49.59 | jelly | zk: you could use a tty based snooper |
| 19:50.07 | yigal | Kartoffelsalat: what is in you /dev/snd folder? |
| 19:50.24 | Kartoffelsalat | yigal: moment, i "alsaconf" again... mom |
| 19:50.47 | yigal | Kartoffelsalat: good, alsaconf will load your models - although it takes a long time |
| 19:50.48 | Kartoffelsalat | yigal: i do not have such a folder |
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| 19:51.07 | zk | jelly : that logs only tty imput ? right? |
| 19:51.16 | jelly | zk: right |
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| 19:51.23 | yigal | Kartoffelsalat: please issue the following command when alsaconf is finished: /usr/share/alsa-base/snddevices |
| 19:51.32 | Kartoffelsalat | yigal: now «alsamixer»: function snd_ctl_open faild for default: no such device |
| 19:51.33 | zk | jelly : i can use bash_history for that..... |
| 19:51.36 | yigal | Kartoffelsalat: with root permisions |
| 19:51.54 | Kartoffelsalat | yigal: as root, yes |
| 19:52.03 | yigal | Kartoffelsalat: did you run: #/usr/share/alsa-base/snddevices , yes as root |
| 19:52.05 | Kartoffelsalat | yigal: okay, alsamixer works again |
| 19:52.08 | jelly | zk: that will only show you what commands were typed in the shell |
| 19:52.15 | yigal | Kartoffelsalat: you are welcome :) |
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| 19:52.48 | Kartoffelsalat | yigal: sorry, but still no sound :/ |
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| 19:53.14 | Kartoffelsalat | yigal: i will install alsa-oss, too |
| 19:53.20 | yigal | Kartoffelsalat: you need to adjust your sound with alsamixer |
| 19:53.21 | zk | jelly : i think i just need to learn programming and hack the code of LKL to set my usb keyboard :-/ |
| 19:53.26 | yigal | Kartoffelsalat: no need for alsa-oss |
| 19:53.38 | jelly | zk: LKL does it the dirty way |
| 19:53.39 | yigal | Kartoffelsalat: there is a need, but sound should work now |
| 19:53.55 | yigal | Kartoffelsalat: do you have mplayer installed, or some other sound player? |
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| 19:54.15 | Kartoffelsalat | yigal: i set all "bars" up to 100% - no idea :/ yes mplayer + w32codes + ffmpeg + flash (@iceweasel) |
| 19:54.30 | yigal | Kartoffelsalat: do you have alsamixergui installed, its a little easier to see what setting are muted |
| 19:54.43 | Kartoffelsalat | yigal: no, only alsamixer |
| 19:54.46 | yigal | Kartoffelsalat: some settings are muted so no matter how loud they are set it won't do anything |
| 19:54.47 | davidprock1981 | jelly, i have the card unmounted when i do the zero correct? |
| 19:55.00 | jelly | davidprock1981: you better! |
| 19:55.05 | yigal | Kartoffelsalat: install alsamixergui - its much easier to see |
| 19:55.08 | davidprock1981 | ok just checking |
| 19:55.23 | yigal | Kartoffelsalat: do you have a minimal X system ? |
| 19:55.46 | Kartoffelsalat | yigal: damn, you are right- i used this gui last time too... yes, minmal X (xorg + alsa-base + openbox) |
| 19:55.55 | cahoot | Kartoffelsalat, invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 should fix all mixer settings |
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| 19:56.23 | jelly | davidprock1981: you can do a pkill -USR1 dd in another shell to make dd display how far it got |
| 19:56.25 | Kartoffelsalat | cahoot: works ;-) |
| 19:56.44 | yigal | Kartoffelsalat: well if you want to go fancy you could install gnome-alsamixer - i don't use gnome anything, but the mixer is nice, just use a mixer you can see what is muted |
| 19:56.45 | Kartoffelsalat | cahoot: problem was not activated speakes in alsamixer(gui) |
| 19:56.55 | jelly | davidprock1981: but you'll never know that since you've gone. away. into the rain. |
| 19:57.04 | Kartoffelsalat | yigal: i forgot his completly... thanks! |
| 19:57.23 | yigal | Kartoffelsalat: I already said, "your welcome" best Kartoffelsalat |
| 19:57.29 | Kartoffelsalat | now my favourit minmal system works :) |
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| 19:58.10 | Kartoffelsalat | yigals: i am not good enough too answer you friendly in english, sorry ;-) |
| 19:58.25 | yigal | Kartoffelsalat: no worries, have a great time |
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| 19:58.49 | jelly | zk: if I had to do this, I'd probably hack in some printk's into kernel's usb keyboard drivers |
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| 20:00.02 | Kartoffelsalat | how can i «execute» something which i read out of a file with cat myfile? |
| 20:00.03 | tru_`z24 | jelly, thanks. updating my sources seems to have fixed the problem |
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| 20:01.12 | SerajewelKS | is there a way to get patch to patch a file with a specific name rather than read the name from the diff? |
| 20:01.13 | jelly | tru_`z24: you'll still need to upgrade the system as soon as possible, but at least the sarge packages can be installed |
| 20:01.22 | tru_`z24 | yes |
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| 20:01.27 | petemc | Kartoffelsalat: `cat file` |
| 20:01.33 | tru_`z24 | I'd like to setup a backup server when i do that tho |
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| 20:02.08 | Kartoffelsalat | petemc: no, this must be a joke, isn't it? instead of cat file i must only write 'cat file'? |
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| 20:02.10 | pettern | is there an option i can add to grub to boot in safemode? |
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| 20:02.26 | petemc | Kartoffelsalat: thats not what i typed |
| 20:02.56 | Kartoffelsalat | petemc: what did you write than? |
| 20:03.03 | petemc | echo "echo 12345" > testfile && `cat testfile` |
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| 20:04.05 | petemc | Kartoffelsalat: or instead of backticks you can use $(cat file) |
| 20:04.20 | slav0nic | hi, when i try use alsaconf i has error "The update-modules command is deprecated and should not be used!" it need old modutils, but kernel in etch 6.21 vs new modules-init-tools.... |
| 20:04.26 | Kartoffelsalat | petemc: i thinkt that this is not what i mean. i use feh and this saves the last feh command into ~/.fehbg. i want that every time, when i startx that this file will be executed, so i need to write it into my bash file .xinitrc |
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| 20:04.44 | apk | I upgraded from a custom built (with kpkg) 2.6.18 to the 2.6.22-1-686-bigmem in Sid. Now my computer beeps all the time (i.e. If I try to do tab-completion in bash, but nothing matches.) What happened, and how do I make it stop? |
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| 20:05.10 | alex____ | whats the apache2 apxs apt-get package called? |
| 20:05.15 | petemc | Kartoffelsalat: then your original question was really badly worded |
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| 20:05.27 | Kartoffelsalat | petemc: possible, sorry |
| 20:05.35 | stephan | hi, how can i purge all unneede packages? |
| 20:06.07 | Braindead | stephan: define "unneeded" |
| 20:06.11 | petemc | Kartoffelsalat: how do you start x? |
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| 20:06.27 | stephan | Braindead, i disabled RECOMMEND packages in aptitude |
| 20:06.33 | Kartoffelsalat | petemc: startx, this loads my ~/.xinitrc bash script |
| 20:06.35 | stephan | now i want to remove those packages |
| 20:06.48 | Kartoffelsalat | stephan: autoclean? |
| 20:06.53 | petemc | Kartoffelsalat: you could use ~/.xsession i believe |
| 20:06.58 | stephan | aptitude autoclean? |
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| 20:07.12 | Kartoffelsalat | stephan: yes, but i am not shure if this what you want |
| 20:07.15 | petemc | Kartoffelsalat: or, does referening the file in xinitrc not work? |
| 20:07.25 | petemc | referencing |
| 20:07.27 | stephan | Kartoffelsalat, what does autoclean do? |
| 20:08.11 | Kartoffelsalat | petemc: startx executes my ~/.xinitrc. in ~/.xinitrc i will write a little script which executes ~/.fehbg (d'oh, i must only make this chmod a+x....) sorry for this stupid question |
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| 20:08.30 | Kartoffelsalat | stephan: man aptitude, in the middle of this doc |
| 20:08.43 | Braindead | stephan: aptitude search ~R~i ,then check that's everything you wanna purge, then aptitude purge ~R~i |
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| 20:09.17 | zicho | How can i check which version of something i have installed via the terminal? |
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| 20:09.26 | petemc | apt-cachepolicy package |
| 20:09.26 | stephan | ah sorry |
| 20:09.30 | Braindead | stephan: no sorry forget that expression wait wait |
| 20:09.32 | petemc | gah |
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| 20:09.44 | SamuraiDio | hi |
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| 20:09.46 | petemc | zicho: dpkg -l package , or apt-cache policy package |
| 20:09.48 | stephan | "install recommended pacakges" was set |
| 20:09.53 | stephan | so i want to remove those recommended |
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| 20:10.08 | SamuraiDio | how can i access (rw) a ms ntfs partition? |
| 20:10.21 | jelly | SamuraiDio: which debian release? |
| 20:10.22 | petemc | SamuraiDio: ntfs-3g |
| 20:10.26 | zicho | petemc: thx |
| 20:10.28 | Kartoffelsalat | puh, no i want to enjoy my debian alone - see us tomorrow again :) have a nice time |
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| 20:10.37 | SamuraiDio | jelly, Etch |
| 20:10.53 | apk | aha! xset -b |
| 20:11.14 | jelly | petemc: ntfs-3g is not an useful answer for current stable. needs newer ntfs-3g, fuse and (kernel or fuse-module) |
| 20:11.49 | SamuraiDio | jelly, i would like to mount as read/write |
| 20:12.05 | t4m1n0 | why movie play slow? I've installed flashplugin-nonfree for etch and all youtubs movies plays like it would change 10 pictures on a minute... :S what can I do. I also have installed trident driver for my video card. |
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| 20:12.31 | petemc | jelly: is there any other way to write to ntfs? |
| 20:12.43 | jelly | petemc: not really :-| |
| 20:13.03 | stephan | no? |
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| 20:13.35 | yigal | should /dev/snd be deleted on shutdown/reboot, because this is what my system is doing |
| 20:13.41 | yigal | ? |
| 20:13.51 | jelly | SamuraiDio: I understand. It's just that you'll have to use a newer kernel, and make a backport of both fuse and ntfs-3g from testing or unstable. |
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| 20:14.33 | SamuraiDio | err.. |
| 20:14.36 | jelly | !seen tarzeau |
| 20:14.36 | jozsi | nope! |
| 20:14.37 | dpkg | tarzeau is currently on #debian, last said: '!debstats'. |
| 20:14.57 | t4m1n0 | oh and my monitro has this little tiny lines if I move mouse over or drop and grap window... |
| 20:14.58 | stephan | should i remove the option "install recommended packages"? |
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| 20:15.09 | explody | is anyone familiar with accessing applications:/// in nautilus, and has it been removed or should it still work? |
| 20:15.10 | lbc | How about Captive-NTFS to write to ntfs ? it wraps around ms dlls |
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| 20:15.22 | jelly | lbc: ntfs-3g is much better |
| 20:15.47 | itchi | lbc: But it's still not that good btw |
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| 20:16.16 | lbc | had some problems with it itchi ? |
| 20:16.17 | itchi | lbc: Try it out ;-) Copy some stuff with many sub dirs and you're screwed :-) |
| 20:16.18 | SamuraiDio | jelly, libntfs9 does not work to this? |
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| 20:16.39 | stephan | can someone tell me please? |
| 20:16.54 | lbc | I'm not that surprised itchi ... I would not trust that sort of thing in any sort of production environment |
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| 20:17.02 | itchi | stephan: That's a choice you may take or not |
| 20:17.08 | stephan | mh |
| 20:17.20 | stephan | can you give me an advice? |
| 20:17.25 | stephan | i'm a beginner with debian |
| 20:17.30 | jelly | itchi: eh, I haven't really stress tested it, but it works decently fine and you can use it for all sorts of weird stuff (boot from it, put a swap file on it...) AND the known bugs are documented on their web |
| 20:17.34 | itchi | stephan: Some like it, others not |
| 20:17.51 | stephan | i think i dislike it |
| 20:17.55 | stephan | so i disable it |
| 20:17.55 | stephan | :) |
| 20:17.57 | DavidProck1981 | jelly i did prock@127:~$ dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=65536 and i got this , dd: writing `/dev/sdb': No space left on device , but it is still processing, is that normal ? |
| 20:18.12 | stephan | itchi, what sort of dependies are there? depend, recommend and ?? |
| 20:18.16 | stephan | something different? |
| 20:18.18 | itchi | jelly: I have an externall HDD, where i wanted to put all my stuff on NTFS, but i have change my mind, it's now on FAT32 :-( |
| 20:18.31 | jelly | DavidProck1981: hm, could be flushing the buffers, so yes |
| 20:18.40 | itchi | stephan: look ;-) |
| 20:18.40 | yigal | hey talking about removable drives, is there any work on a linux U3 removal prog.? |
| 20:18.47 | stephan | i know there are 3 types |
| 20:18.50 | yigal | for flash drives? |
| 20:18.53 | stephan | can u please tell me the last i forgotten please |
| 20:19.00 | jelly | itchi: I have 80GB of mp3s on an external ntfs. |
| 20:19.14 | DavidProck1981 | still proseccing cause "could be flushing the buffers"? |
| 20:19.42 | itchi | jelly: With max 4 sub dirs? or how many is it allowed? |
| 20:19.42 | jelly | DavidProck1981: did the shell prompt return? |
| 20:19.51 | itchi | Anyway, i still hate MS stuff :-p |
| 20:19.58 | DavidProck1981 | not yeat |
| 20:20.19 | lbc | can someone tell me what the 'release' keyword changes in an apt-pinning stanza ? |
| 20:20.25 | jelly | itchi: hm, this is exactly four: /media/WD Extern USB/A-Strane/Classic/Puccini - Madame Butterfly/Madama Butterfly (Disc 1) |
| 20:20.50 | jelly | itchi: I haven't written much on it, though :-) |
| 20:20.59 | lbc | ...does it have something to do with the target release ? |
| 20:21.11 | jelly | itchi: except for atimes, if ntfs has those |
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| 20:21.23 | itchi | jelly: I have got sad experiences with ntfs-3g. Enfin, not that sad, but not nice |
| 20:21.32 | jelly | itchi: which version |
| 20:21.35 | DavidProck1981 | jelly what is the baste bin link |
| 20:21.44 | itchi | jelly: These of testing, wait |
| 20:21.47 | jelly | DavidProck1981: paste.debian.net |
| 20:22.16 | itchi | jelly: 1:1.710-1 |
| 20:22.28 | itchi | jelly: I have uninstall it, cause i no more use it |
| 20:22.29 | jelly | DavidProck1981: try doing a "sync" in another window, and wait for it to finish. |
| 20:22.51 | jelly | itchi: uh, that's the latest released, right? did Windows fsck fix things? |
| 20:23.49 | itchi | jelly: Honnesty, i have not look that much, cause my big problem was writting data to that ntfs partition from my Debian box. I had look a bit and saw all these MS bugs. So i gave it up :-) |
| 20:24.02 | DavidProck1981 | jelly http://paste.debian.net/34789 |
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| 20:26.35 | itchi | jelly: That's an externall HDD that i need to take with me and connect it to a MS box some time |
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| 20:27.48 | jelly | itchi: I'll fsck mine from the XP installation in vmware just to be safe |
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| 20:28.48 | itchi | jelly: IF the data get on it, it's ok, if ... |
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| 20:29.39 | itchi | jelly: My main problem is all these sub dirs. I wanted to put many software classed by sub dirs |
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| 20:30.08 | frojnd | what's the site to check what hardware are supported. U paste in dmesh output and get results.. |
| 20:30.19 | itchi | frojnd: Hold on |
| 20:30.20 | jelly | itchi: ach. You haven't read the errata first? |
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| 20:30.33 | itchi | jelly: eeuhm, i no more sure about it :-s |
| 20:30.47 | DavidProck1981 | jelly: DavidProck1981: try doing a "sync" in another window, and wait for it to finish. |
| 20:30.55 | DavidProck1981 | jelly what do u mean by that |
| 20:30.56 | gonzaloaf_work | offtopic: whats the difference between college and university? |
| 20:31.06 | hark | frojnd: /msg dpkg hcl |
| 20:31.11 | jelly | DavidProck1981: open another terminal, run "sync" |
| 20:31.13 | itchi | frojnd: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 20:31.19 | drachi | does anyone have any idea why I can't delete a file?I get permission denied...of course with root |
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| 20:31.31 | frojnd | rnx itchi |
| 20:31.41 | itchi | drachi: What command do you use and which file? |
| 20:31.50 | xand | drachi: read only filesystem |
| 20:31.59 | DavidProck1981 | it was done just before u say that , did u look at hte link, i think it error |
| 20:32.19 | DavidProck1981 | http://paste.debian.net/34789 |
| 20:32.22 | jelly | DavidProck1981: your paste looks just like it should - dd filled up the drive and stopped when it got to the end. |
| 20:32.28 | drachi | sudo rm /usr/share/man/man1/sensible-pager.1.gz |
| 20:32.41 | drachi | it doesn't work |
| 20:32.44 | itchi | drachi: I can not imagine you want to delete on an read-only fs heh :-p |
| 20:33.03 | itchi | drachi: Why sudo? |
| 20:33.05 | Saar | anyone know why starting udevd may keep hanging forever at bootup, unless interrupted by ctrl-c? |
| 20:33.06 | drachi | or su |
| 20:33.07 | DavidProck1981 | what about the, Bad file descriptor |
| 20:33.08 | jelly | DavidProck1981: that " dd: closing input file `/dev/zero': Bad file descriptor " line is kind of interesting, but not relevant |
| 20:33.13 | drachi | because it is owned by root |
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| 20:33.29 | drachi | plus it doesn't show any description |
| 20:33.31 | xand | maybe sudo is rejecting you, not rm |
| 20:33.36 | DavidProck1981 | what would it mean |
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| 20:33.41 | itchi | drachi: Anyway, do not delete that manually |
| 20:33.51 | antum | Hi everyone, I'm getting a Debian error I don't quite understand: |
| 20:33.53 | antum | dpkg-statoverride: cannot open statoverride: Input/output error |
| 20:33.55 | drachi | how else? |
| 20:34.01 | jelly | DavidProck1981: closing /dev/zero failed for some reason |
| 20:34.05 | antum | Does anyone know what it might mean? |
| 20:34.11 | drachi | if I try ls -l in that dir it says permission denied on that file |
| 20:34.18 | DavidProck1981 | should i tri again |
| 20:34.23 | jelly | DavidProck1981: no, that's it |
| 20:34.26 | Saar | antum: maybe a hardisk error |
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| 20:34.47 | antum | Saar, oh dear... is there anyway to check for that? |
| 20:34.51 | xand | antum: run dmesg and see if theres errors there |
| 20:34.58 | antum | xand ok, thanks |
| 20:34.59 | xand | !fsck |
| 20:34.59 | dpkg | somebody said fsck was a file system integrity checker, or a visually-similar euphemism for fuck |
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| 20:35.09 | drachi | any ideas why the error? |
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| 20:35.23 | antum | dmesg returns a whole bunch of errors |
| 20:35.32 | drachi | and because of that file I can't get any updates to work either |
| 20:35.32 | jelly | DavidProck1981: run a "blockdev --rereadpt /dev/sdb" as root. you should now have a clean drive, no partitions, no partition table either |
| 20:35.37 | antum | should I copy and paste a line so you can have a look? |
| 20:35.40 | itchi | oh, fsck, time to sleep :-p |
| 20:36.02 | jelly | antum: you have a hardware error, might be the cabling, might be the disk is dying |
| 20:36.15 | antum | ok I'll run fsck as well... see what happens... |
| 20:36.31 | jelly | antum: use a pastebin to paste last say 50 lines or so |
| 20:36.38 | Saar | antum: io error may be sth as simple as a cable not seated properly, to hard hardisk errors etc. |
| 20:36.56 | DavidProck1981 | blockdev --rereadpt /dev/sdb did not say that thing |
| 20:37.03 | jelly | DavidProck1981: that's ok. |
| 20:37.04 | drachi | do you know what the prb could be itchi? |
| 20:37.28 | antum | http://pastebin.ca/660202 |
| 20:37.31 | jelly | DavidProck1981: if you now use fdisk or cfdisk on /dev/sdb, you should see there is no partition table any more |
| 20:37.39 | itchi | drachi: I guess you did some weird things on your box :-) |
| 20:37.42 | antum | jelly thanks, I've done that |
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| 20:37.53 | antum | Saar, ok I could email the hoster and ask them to check |
| 20:38.02 | itchi | drachi: I dont even see why you want to delete that man page. heh |
| 20:38.04 | drachi | well ya I crashed it a mil times :) |
| 20:38.12 | drachi | because I can't do any upgrades |
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| 20:38.25 | drachi | I get an error |
| 20:38.28 | itchi | drachi: You're fs is in read-only it seems, someone gave you the tip |
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| 20:38.36 | ixion_uk | how would I determine what version of iptables I am running ? |
| 20:38.39 | Saar | antum: yeah, if fsck wont fix it it is likely a problem only physical intervention may fix |
| 20:38.40 | jelly | antum: hmm. those look like a filesystem error, fsck is the way to go |
| 20:39.00 | drachi | how can it be read-only ...is where debian is installed |
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| 20:39.15 | drachi | is the only file I can't delete anyway |
| 20:39.19 | jelly | antum: if you can find the lines where it began spewing errors and paste that, might be more useful |
| 20:39.20 | drachi | weird |
| 20:39.46 | antum | Saar, jelly I ran fsck -h to see what options to use... should it be fsck -p (Automatic repair)? |
| 20:39.52 | antum | jelly, ok I'll do that now |
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| 20:40.07 | Saar | antum: not that fsck may very well fix it, when there are problems the system will remount read only for example, which causes your problems |
| 20:40.13 | jelly | antum: just push the reset button and let nature take its course :-) |
| 20:40.16 | Saar | antum: imo yes |
| 20:40.30 | Saar | you dont wanna hit y 600 times |
| 20:40.35 | jelly | antum: do an umount -a as root, first |
| 20:40.52 | antum | I've copied more of the errors here: http://pastebin.ca/660206 |
| 20:41.04 | Saar | Saar> antum: not that fsck may very well fix it <-- I meant fsck may very well fix it |
| 20:41.07 | jelly | Saar: you don't want to hit y _blindly_ |
| 20:41.07 | fireba11 | would someone kindly tell me how to remove file extension from all files in a folder please ? e.g. rename |
| 20:41.08 | DavidProck1981 | all free space, would it be best for the phone to format it |
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| 20:41.21 | DavidProck1981 | make the partition |
| 20:41.41 | antum | jelly what does umount -a do? |
| 20:41.42 | jelly | DavidProck1981: if you're going to use it on the phone, yes |
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| 20:41.52 | Saar | jelly: if it means avoiding 100s of questions I'd gladly do it, I have never lost anything I know of blindly hitting yes or defaulting to yes |
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| 20:42.15 | jelly | antum: tries to unmount all the filesystems, and remounts read-only those it couldn't |
| 20:42.23 | DavidProck1981 | me useing ti on hte phone but getting music off hte PC |
| 20:42.24 | jelly | Saar: good for you. Bad practice. |
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| 20:42.49 | ixion_uk | lol the key to that statement was "that I know of" |
| 20:42.50 | Saar | jelly: perhaps |
| 20:42.56 | DavidProck1981 | ill be using it on the phone, but i get the music off the PC |
| 20:43.10 | antum | jelly, I noticed in the error codes I posted: http://pastebin.ca/660206 it says EXT2-fs warning (device hda3): ext2_fill_super: mounting ext3 filesystem as ext2 |
| 20:43.25 | antum | then it says running e2fsck is recommended... |
| 20:43.41 | egos | I'm using PuTTY to SSH to my Debian machine, if I don't do anything for a while and I start typing, I takes maybe a couple of seconds before I get a response. |
| 20:43.58 | petemc | egos: sounds like lag |
| 20:44.05 | jelly | antum: have you booted using an old kernel that doesn't support ext3 maybe? |
| 20:44.11 | fireba11 | would someone kindly tell me how to remove file extension from all files in a folder please ? e.g. rename 0004.jpg to 0004 ? it's always 4 characters if that makes it easier :-D |
| 20:44.24 | egos | petemc, Yes, but why? |
| 20:44.46 | petemc | egos: slow connection? torrents running? |
| 20:44.59 | jelly | fireba11: man rename |
| 20:45.03 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Still not learned how to shoot your keys of the keyboard? :-p |
| 20:45.11 | DavidProck1981 | jelly would it matter if root or non-root copythe music to the card |
| 20:45.18 | egos | petemc, no, nothing like that. It's on a local gigabit network with no traffic. |
| 20:45.22 | jelly | DavidProck1981: for vfat? no. |
| 20:45.25 | antum | jelly.. hmm, I'll email the host and let them know what you've been able to help me with and see what they can do |
| 20:45.36 | DavidProck1981 | fet16 |
| 20:45.43 | DavidProck1981 | errr fat16 |
| 20:45.59 | Saar | fireba11: http://www.pastebin.ca/660216 |
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| 20:46.24 | jelly | antum: that's your root filesystem, right? do you have access to console? |
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| 20:47.02 | fireba11 | Saar : jelly thanks .. and sorry for the basic question, i'm a bit tired right now ;-) |
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| 20:47.17 | Saar | fireba11: no need to be |
| 20:47.22 | jelly | DavidProck1981: "vfat" just means it supports long file names. so even if it's fat16, linux still uses the "vfat" name |
| 20:47.27 | antum | jelly, at the moment I have ssh'd to the machine, I have root privileges... but the server is in Germany and I'm in New Zealand, so I can't hit the reset button or check wiring :( |
| 20:47.32 | jelly | fireba11: np |
| 20:48.13 | Saar | fireba11: note: # Problems: |
| 20:48.13 | Saar | # Works rather crudely. Only works on files in current directory and also moves directories. |
| 20:48.14 | jelly | antum: tricky. Our servers have nice console access via ssh. |
| 20:49.06 | Saar | antum: but you could at least try the umount -a and fsck /dev/hda3 |
| 20:49.16 | jelly | Saar: fscking a mounted system (even if it's ro) might be fun |
| 20:49.26 | Saar | ugh ja |
| 20:49.27 | nootoyahora | I'm having trouble connecting my mobile phone to my linux box with bluetooth, somebody can help? |
| 20:49.34 | Saar | i forgot ;-) |
| 20:49.39 | antum | Saar could anything go wrong if I do that? |
| 20:50.02 | Saar | antum: perhaps changing the fsck settings for bootup so it'd default to yes and shutdown -r :) |
| 20:50.11 | jelly | antum: you'll have to reboot afterwards. it might not come up. |
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| 20:50.45 | bonez39 | how do I resolve this error >> Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org stable/updates/non-free |
| 20:50.50 | Saar | antum: right now your system is in a crappy state anyways, so there isn';t much harm done rebooting and fsck'ing, i'd think |
| 20:50.52 | jelly | antum: it's 22:50 in Germany, btw. :-) |
| 20:51.13 | antum | Saar jelly, ok I can't risk it at the moment with all the websites running, it's just the email services that aren't working properly. |
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| 20:51.37 | jelly | antum: which filesystem is this? /? /var? |
| 20:51.40 | Saar | antum: i see, hm is email on a different partition than root? |
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| 20:51.50 | sperfection83 | hi All |
| 20:51.55 | Saar | if so it's easy to un mount and fsck |
| 20:52.03 | jelly | sounds like /var, since dpkg files are hosed |
| 20:52.10 | antum | Saar jelly I was having problems with /var/lib/amavis |
| 20:52.23 | Saar | and is /var in its own partition? |
| 20:52.30 | Saar | say hda3 and root is hda1? |
| 20:52.42 | lbc | bonez,if I remember well, it looks like your network isn't properly setup |
| 20:52.59 | jelly | antum: do you have a separate filesystem for /var? pastebin contents of /proc/mounts and /etc/fstab if not sure |
| 20:53.11 | antum | I tried: /etc/init.d/amavis restart and got the following error: http://pastebin.ca/660226 |
| 20:53.58 | Saar | do df -h and pastebin it |
| 20:53.59 | antum | ok proc/mounts: http://pastebin.ca/660228 |
| 20:54.36 | antum | and /etc/fstab http://pastebin.ca/660230 |
| 20:54.37 | Saar | ah crap /var is not on its own partition |
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| 20:54.46 | antum | damn! |
| 20:54.47 | bonez39 | lbc: not to question your knowledge, but this is the response on ONE linux box, while on another , apt-get update .. upgrade work just fine without these error messages... |
| 20:54.57 | antum | not that I know why that would suck but you guys seem to think so. |
| 20:55.04 | Saar | beats me why debian by default puts everything in one big partition |
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| 20:55.15 | jelly | antum: you won't be able to get away with it without a reboot |
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| 20:55.33 | Saar | antum: apt-get install harden-doc :) |
| 20:55.35 | antum | ok, I better wait until Germany is at least awake to be safe then |
| 20:55.49 | antum | Saar what is harden-doc? |
| 20:55.57 | jelly | antum: if /var was separate, you could stop all the services that use it, umount, fsck it, mount again, start services and it would work |
| 20:56.03 | Saar | In the case of a mail server it is important to have a separate partition for the mail spool. Remote users (either knowingly |
| 20:56.03 | Saar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.08 | lbc | bonez, by "network" I meant the network settings on that first box. can you ping security.debian.org from it ? |
| 20:56.10 | itchi | antum: apt-cache show harden-doc ;-) |
| 20:56.13 | antum | jelly ah i see.. well that would be handy |
| 20:56.16 | Saar | etc. it describes how to make your system more secure |
| 20:56.19 | lindenle | how do i get the guifications plugin to actually show me the im message again |
| 20:56.46 | antum | Saar oh cool, I should definately read it! |
| 20:56.59 | Saar | i run a mail server here with everything stuffed in one big / partition, but they installed that b4 my time... i await the day it breaks |
| 20:57.01 | itchi | antum: I may say, no! :-p |
| 20:57.16 | antum | itchi ? |
| 20:57.40 | itchi | antum: There's a bit more complexity, but yeah, give it a try ;-) |
| 20:57.41 | bonez39 | lbc: well, that may be the issue.... |
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| 20:58.01 | antum | itchi maybe I should learn a bit more before attempting some of the stuff in there... |
| 20:58.07 | bonez39 | lbc: on my working machine I get the following > scott@fyrenice:~$ ping security.debian.org PING security.debian.org (128.31.0.36) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 128.31.0.36: icmp_seq=1 ttl=45 time=89.1 ms 64 bytes from steffani.debian.org (128.31.0.36): icmp_seq=2 ttl=45 time=89.5 ms |
| 20:58.25 | itchi | antum: Exactly ;-) Good that you not take it bad ;-) |
| 20:58.30 | bonez39 | lbc: however on the bad machine I get >>> david:/home/scott# ping security.debian.org PING security.debian.org (64.74.223.198) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 20:58.37 | lbc | bonez39 : try pinging 212.211.132.32. if it works, you issue would be dns |
| 20:58.44 | antum | itchi, i wouldn't I know my limits (sometimes) |
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| 20:59.01 | hcy | jelly: same error, doing it with -hcy |
| 20:59.11 | lbc | bonez39: ... or pinging 128.31.0.36, rather, as is seems to be your local debian security server |
| 20:59.13 | jelly | hcy: that's weird |
| 20:59.20 | itchi | antum: Yeah, sure, anyway, you learn be experimenting, making faults and such. If you accept this, you may be good |
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| 20:59.35 | hcy | jelly: kernel-package must be broken |
| 20:59.45 | jelly | hcy: which version of it? |
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| 21:00.03 | spider-pig | hi guys, |
| 21:00.08 | itchi | Bah, i really need to go sleep :-( See you laters my lovely guys! aha, neer week-end :-) |
| 21:00.09 | bonez39 | lbc: I get this response on both machines >>> 64 bytes from 212.211.132.32: icmp_seq=1 ttl=46 time=184 ms OR 64 bytes from 212.211.132.32: icmp_seq=1 ttl=46 time=184 ms |
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| 21:00.15 | hcy | jelly: 11.001 |
| 21:00.17 | antum | hey thanks everyone for helping me out... I went from no idea what was going on to pinpointing where the problem is and some possible solutions.. so thanks heaps!! |
| 21:00.20 | itchi | s/neer/near/ |
| 21:00.21 | spider-pig | how can I place the debian/unstable in my sources.list? |
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| 21:00.36 | antum | I gotta run, see you later |
| 21:00.37 | lbc | ok bonez39 , compare the contents of /etc/resolv.conf on both boxes |
| 21:00.41 | itchi | spider-pig: Avoid that, if you ask a such question, it's for you own good |
| 21:00.44 | jelly | hcy: vanilla 2.6.22.3? |
| 21:00.51 | bonez39 | lbc: ok |
| 21:00.51 | hcy | jelly: yes |
| 21:01.02 | jelly | hcy: can you pastebin your .config? |
| 21:01.12 | hcy | jelly: ok |
| 21:01.26 | spider-pig | itchi, I need to install a package from debian.org but the dependency hell is killing me |
| 21:01.27 | bonez39 | lbc: both have this single entry >>> nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:01.45 | Saar | anyways, back to my initial question |
| 21:01.58 | spider-pig | I need to install that package: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kde/kopete-silc-plugin |
| 21:02.00 | Saar | anyone know why starting udevd may keep hanging forever at bootup, unless interrupted by ctrl-c? |
| 21:02.18 | lbc | bonez39 ok , replace '127.0.0.1' on the problematic box with the IP of the other machine. |
| 21:02.24 | jelly | spider-pig: you don't want packages from unstable, unless you know your way around debian unstable very well |
| 21:02.45 | itchi | spider-pig: You gona/want an unstable system for that stupid thingy? |
| 21:03.05 | spider-pig | jelly, I got to enable these repository just to install this package, then I comment then |
| 21:03.16 | DavidProck1981 | ok i feal stupid, but a hardly ever use the shell, in the following , what am i doing wrong |
| 21:03.19 | jelly | spider-pig: no, you'll fuck up your system. |
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| 21:03.24 | huhlig | i |
| 21:03.24 | DavidProck1981 | prock@127:/mnt/BackUp/All Music$ cp Linkin\ Park\ -\ Minutes\ To\ Midnight/ /mnt/usb/AUDIO/ |
| 21:03.24 | DavidProck1981 | cp: omitting directory `Linkin Park - Minutes To Midnight/' |
| 21:03.24 | DavidProck1981 | prock@127:/mnt/BackUp/All Music$ |
| 21:03.34 | huhlig | hello |
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| 21:03.49 | jelly | DavidProck1981: add -r to copy recursively |
| 21:04.06 | spider-pig | jelly, so let me do it. just give me the src path |
| 21:04.10 | jelly | DavidProck1981: add -p to keep the timestamps, if you care |
| 21:04.22 | jelly | spider-pig: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 21:04.34 | bonez39 | lbc: so change the resolv.conf file? |
| 21:05.04 | DavidProck1981 | how about removing the owner of the file cause windows dont support that |
| 21:05.05 | hcy | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/34793 |
| 21:05.15 | jelly | spider-pig: but, since it's a KDE package, I doubt it'll build easily :-| |
| 21:05.25 | spider-pig | jelly, not helpful for me |
| 21:05.35 | DavidProck1981 | like root:root or prock:prock |
| 21:05.35 | lbc | bonez39, that might work. but the first box will become dependent of the second one. It might also be that the second box only accepts DNS requests from itself and no other machine on the network. |
| 21:05.41 | spider-pig | I go find in another source, thank you |
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| 21:06.55 | bonez39 | lbc: that instantaly changed it..to make it work..... |
| 21:07.04 | bonez39 | lbc: DNS magic, eh? |
| 21:07.25 | lbc | :) |
| 21:08.26 | bonez39 | I need to find a nice O'Reilly book on this...would Bind & DNS work, or should I get the latest Network Admin book? suggestions? |
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| 21:08.56 | petemc | the dns & bind book is decent |
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| 21:09.13 | hcy | jelly: any ideas? |
| 21:09.35 | bonez39 | petemc: i have an older edition of it at home...from library, maybe I'll get the newer one... |
| 21:09.36 | lbc | libc6 from testing is a higher version than the one in unstable ... is this normal ? |
| 21:09.41 | John_Titor | how can i change the time... for some reason changes me the wrong time |
| 21:10.27 | petemc | John_Titor: tzconfig |
| 21:11.01 | John_Titor | t.t shows me command not found |
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| 21:11.26 | petemc | hmm, it may have been renamed or soemthing else replaced it |
| 21:11.38 | streuner | tzconfig is only in stable anymore... |
| 21:11.55 | bonez39 | lbc: thanks |
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| 21:12.01 | streuner | not in testing or unstable |
| 21:12.03 | petemc | streuner: so what to use now? |
| 21:12.07 | SamuraiDio | what libs do i need to read/write on a ntfs file system with Debian Etch? |
| 21:12.20 | hcy | can i just compile and install the kernel manually, without kpkg? |
| 21:12.22 | streuner | petemc: i guess, dpkg-reconfigure foo |
| 21:12.32 | streuner | !listvals tzconfig |
| 21:12.33 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'tzconfig' by value (6): timezone ;; set time ;; setting time ;; est ;; dst change ;; ntp. |
| 21:13.03 | streuner | !timezone |
| 21:13.03 | dpkg | timezone is probably "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig, or or tzselect after etch |
| 21:13.07 | Muisje | Anyone has experience with ISPConfig & Debian & PHP and PHPMyAdmin issue which doesn't update when you modify stuff? |
| 21:13.54 | jelly | hcy: eh, the pastebin cut .config in half |
| 21:14.11 | hcy | jelly: bastards |
| 21:14.18 | jelly | hcy: (manual make install) yes, you can |
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| 21:14.53 | jelly | hcy: 3000 lines limit, who'd have thought |
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| 21:14.58 | EnterUserName | hi |
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| 21:15.02 | EnterUserName | I am having toruble making a debian package following the instructions |
| 21:15.21 | EnterUserName | when i run dpkg_gencontrol |
| 21:15.28 | EnterUserName | it says "error: control file must have at least opne binary packagE" |
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| 21:15.32 | EnterUserName | what field is that referring to? |
| 21:15.52 | John_Titor | i tried to install compiz and did not work..... to remove it i applied apt-get remove compiz ... but the compiz still exist on the system |
| 21:16.01 | John_Titor | what can i do to remove it for good |
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| 21:16.42 | EnterUserName | I google searched it and found nothing |
| 21:16.42 | hyksos | hi, how can i directly call a command found in history? |
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| 21:17.00 | streuner | dpkg, setting time =~ s/tzconfig/tzconfig (sarge, etch)/ |
| 21:17.00 | dpkg | that's too long, streuner |
| 21:17.18 | EnterUserName | fc |
| 21:17.23 | EnterUserName | i think you can use gc |
| 21:17.34 | EnterUserName | erki think you can use FC hyksos |
| 21:17.57 | EnterUserName | Dpkg: |
| 21:18.04 | EnterUserName | dpkg: can you help me with building my debian packagE? |
| 21:18.23 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 21:18.23 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 21:18.24 | jelly | EnterUserName: dpkg is not alive |
| 21:18.30 | EnterUserName | or just point me to the latest documentation |
| 21:18.31 | EnterUserName | oh |
| 21:18.47 | EnterUserName | jelly: can you help me lol. I'm looking for the lartest documentation on control files |
| 21:18.51 | EnterUserName | for building debian packages |
| 21:19.02 | EnterUserName | cuz im getting a messagwe saying its missing a binary part |
| 21:19.05 | EnterUserName | and it use to work on 3.0 |
| 21:19.23 | streuner | http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 21:19.50 | EnterUserName | i got a question why does it use GENTOO directories on those howtos lol |
| 21:19.59 | jelly | EnterUserName: can you paste your control file? Do you have a Package: xxxx entry? |
| 21:20.20 | EnterUserName | err |
| 21:20.26 | EnterUserName | let me see |
| 21:20.42 | EnterUserName | yes.. |
| 21:20.51 | EnterUserName | Where's a good place to cut and paste bot? |
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| 21:21.00 | karsten | !paste |
| 21:21.00 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 21:21.04 | hcy | jelly: http://pastebin.ca/660265 |
| 21:21.28 | karsten | HTF do you list environment vars set via setenv in csh? |
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| 21:22.36 | hcy | jelly: hey, if i make install, will it do it without an initrd ? 'cause i tried that, and i see a new vmlinuz in /boot, but not a new initrd |
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| 21:22.51 | hcy | jelly: will it not require it? |
| 21:22.54 | reign | hi guys, how can I install this package trought apt-get? http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kde/kopete-silc-plugin |
| 21:23.21 | jelly | hcy: if you just copied a Debian .config, it won't boot without an initrd |
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| 21:23.29 | andyp_ | hi |
| 21:23.34 | EnterUserName | http://paste.debian.net/34796 |
| 21:23.38 | EnterUserName | jelly: |
| 21:23.40 | EnterUserName | http://paste.debian.net/34796 |
| 21:23.42 | hcy | jelly: so why didn't it make one? |
| 21:23.44 | EnterUserName | I changed the names a bit |
| 21:23.47 | streuner | petemc: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata seems to work |
| 21:23.56 | hyksos | reign :aptsuperget install mylovingpackage |
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| 21:23.57 | andyp_ | what is package that opens pdf files please |
| 21:24.07 | hcy | jelly: and how do i get it to? |
| 21:24.10 | streuner | xpdf, kpdf |
| 21:24.14 | jelly | hcy: use update-initramfs, I think |
| 21:24.16 | reign | hyksos, funny |
| 21:24.22 | EnterUserName | jelly did you get that? |
| 21:24.25 | streuner | gimp ;-) |
| 21:24.31 | jelly | EnterUserName: I did |
| 21:24.36 | reign | I'll resign to use it |
| 21:24.36 | karsten | printenv |
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| 21:25.09 | jelly | EnterUserName: you need an empty line before Package: |
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| 21:25.17 | EnterUserName | ahh |
| 21:25.18 | EnterUserName | thank you |
| 21:25.24 | EnterUserName | i just noticed that..too thanx |
| 21:25.27 | EnterUserName | for confirming |
| 21:25.28 | jelly | EnterUserName: also, package name should not have upper case |
| 21:25.34 | andyp_ | streuner: thanks |
| 21:25.40 | mesof | yes, i'm getting some bad rendering on my screen |
| 21:25.40 | EnterUserName | Ok.. Will change it |
| 21:25.54 | hcy | jelly: oh, but i probably need to make modules first or something, right? |
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| 21:26.01 | mesof | images are being chopped and text displays wrong, can anyone help? |
| 21:26.05 | lbc | (nevermind about libc6, I just learned to read) |
| 21:26.06 | EnterUserName | hey it worked.. |
| 21:26.08 | EnterUserName | Thanx jelly :) |
| 21:26.10 | hcy | jelly: i'd better find a how-to online, i'm not doing this right |
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| 21:26.36 | jelly | EnterUserName: also2, s/amd64/any/ |
| 21:26.43 | EnterUserName | huh |
| 21:26.45 | EnterUserName | amd64 to any? |
| 21:27.01 | jelly | EnterUserName: unless your source is REALLY amd64 only |
| 21:27.10 | jelly | EnterUserName: doesn't really matter |
| 21:27.17 | EnterUserName | oh no its compiled only for amd64 |
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| 21:27.35 | EnterUserName | I got the package created. it looks like it was the space that was missing |
| 21:27.41 | jelly | EnterUserName: ok |
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| 21:28.16 | EnterUserName | oh darn |
| 21:28.27 | EnterUserName | put nis first before files |
| 21:28.30 | EnterUserName | so i cant login as root |
| 21:28.31 | EnterUserName | lol |
| 21:28.35 | jelly | hcy: make will build the modules. make install will install them. just read update-initramfs docs, I think it should work |
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| 21:29.02 | jelly | hcy: there is no separate "make modules" or "make modules_install" in 2.6 kernels any more |
| 21:29.48 | jelly | hcy: OR, you can build your necessary drivers into the kernel, and not have to use initrd |
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| 21:34.17 | hcy | jelly: make didnt build the modules, though, so update-initramfs complained |
| 21:34.41 | jelly | hcy: did you make install? |
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| 21:35.00 | hcy | jelly: not yet |
| 21:35.02 | jelly | hcy: make makes the modules here. |
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| 21:35.06 | petterah | happy birthday debian :D |
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| 21:35.13 | jelly | hcy: first you install, then you update-initramfs |
| 21:35.24 | hcy | jelly: |
| 21:35.48 | jelly | hcy: tell it which kernel to build the initramfs for, etc. |
| 21:36.05 | blahdeblah | When did 4.0r1 get released? A massive list of core packages showed up for upgrade on my desktop this morning. |
| 21:36.08 | hcy | jelly: ok, i thought that since make install's gonna want to run lilo, i need to have the link to the initrd first and edit my lilo.conf file accordingly |
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| 21:36.14 | jelly | hcy: haven't tried it that way myself, but I don't see why it shouldn't work |
| 21:36.25 | jelly | hcy: it's not going to run lilo. |
| 21:36.38 | hcy | jelly: yes it is, and it just did |
| 21:36.53 | jelly | hcy: hm, I've never seen kernel's make install do that. |
| 21:37.17 | jelly | hcy: maybe because I don't have lilo any more :-) |
| 21:37.18 | hcy | jelly: interestingly, though, now i *do* have a new initrd file in /boot |
| 21:38.03 | hcy | jelly: make install said "In order to use the new kernel image you have just installed, you will need to reboot the machine. First, however, you will need to either make a bootable floppy diskette, re-run LILO, or have GRUB installed." |
| 21:38.06 | jelly | hcy: also, did make-kpkg really fail building, or did it just complain? |
| 21:38.41 | blubberdiblub | jelly: afaik, lilo has to build a block list of where the kernel is scattered beforehand, as unlike grub it doesn't really parse the fs (that's at least how it worked some while ago ... haven't looked at it in ages) |
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| 21:39.04 | jelly | hcy: yeah, ignore that, create an initramfs, if it looks successful update your boot loader then try it |
| 21:39.33 | jelly | blubberdiblub: I didn't expect vanilla kernel's make install to run it. |
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| 21:40.07 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 21:40.43 | bit0 | how could i control a gps (tomtom) receiver ? which program should i use?, thanks |
| 21:40.58 | blubberdiblub | jelly: oh, okay. i think it has some boot loader stuff in its scripts, which breaks down to running lilo/configuring grub/writing on the floppy, depending on how you configured it |
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| 21:41.19 | hcy | jelly: update-initramfs complains that it can't find the modules in /lib/modules . I looked, and it's right -- there's no new folder in there |
| 21:42.14 | jelly | hcy: you have done a make install, and there is no modules? |
| 21:42.30 | hcy | jelly: correct |
| 21:42.43 | jelly | wtf |
| 21:42.43 | hcy | jelly: make && make install |
| 21:42.55 | jelly | hcy: do a make install again :-) |
| 21:43.34 | jelly | by it se lf |
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| 21:44.43 | hcy | jelly: make modules && make modules_install took care of that. Are you sure that's not supposed to be necessary? |
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| 21:44.55 | jelly | hcy: no :-) |
| 21:45.18 | h3sp4wn | # |
| 21:45.20 | jelly | hcy: blind leading the blind |
| 21:45.33 | hcy | jelly: heh |
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| 21:45.56 | hcy | ok, so now i ran update-initram successfully. is there anything else i need to do before i try booting this kernel? |
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| 21:46.16 | jelly | hcy: hm. cross fingers? |
| 21:46.26 | hcy | jelly: haha :) |
| 21:46.33 | EnterUserName | Hey |
| 21:46.37 | EnterUserName | why does Debian documentation have gentoo |
| 21:46.41 | EnterUserName | are you all gentoo users :) |
| 21:46.46 | jelly | EnterUserName: wha? |
| 21:46.55 | EnterUserName | its showing GENTOO as a directory |
| 21:47.00 | EnterUserName | in debain :) |
| 21:47.03 | jelly | EnterUserName: where? |
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| 21:47.24 | EnterUserName | is gentoo a package? |
| 21:47.42 | Kartoffelsalat | yes it is :) |
| 21:47.46 | jelly | !info gentoo |
| 21:47.46 | EnterUserName | oh lol |
| 21:47.47 | dpkg | gentoo: (a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.11.55-1.1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 764 kB, Installed size: 2276 kB |
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| 21:48.12 | EnterUserName | haha too cool |
| 21:48.15 | Kartoffelsalat | but... wth, who calls his filebrowser gentoo |
| 21:48.30 | EnterUserName | I thought the documentors ran gentoo as well |
| 21:48.32 | Kartoffelsalat | *will try this manager |
| 21:48.33 | rocketmagnet | hi, is there a debian tool in etch to resize partitions without delting files ? |
| 21:49.00 | Kartoffelsalat | gparted - not shure |
| 21:49.00 | EnterUserName | and they figured they'd use that directory strucutre: ) |
| 21:49.06 | hyksos | rocketmagnet :what filesystem? |
| 21:49.40 | hyksos | rocketmagnet :gparted live-cd should be enough |
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| 21:50.03 | jelly | rocketmagnet: yes but you want to have working backups just in case. |
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| 21:50.18 | rocketmagnet | ext3 |
| 21:50.26 | jelly | ...thirds, even |
| 21:50.45 | rocketmagnet | or can i find out which directories are too big ? |
| 21:50.51 | jelly | rocketmagnet: too big? |
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| 21:51.35 | rocketmagnet | i want to know what i have to delete to get a bit space |
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| 21:51.50 | rocketmagnet | i have enoth free in my home partition but not for / =( |
| 21:51.58 | hyksos | rocketmagnet : find / -size +500000k |
| 21:52.08 | hcy | jelly: ok, gonna give it a try... |
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| 21:53.32 | jelly | EnterUserName: Version: 200700815 is a bit suspicious too (008?) |
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| 21:54.47 | jelly | rocketmagnet: do you have a separate /var partition? |
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| 21:55.18 | EnterUserName | um ya.. |
| 21:55.21 | EnterUserName | thats a mistake :) |
| 21:55.35 | EnterUserName | Suppose to be 20070815 |
| 21:55.51 | EnterUserName | I wasn't sure how to do the versioning format.. |
| 21:55.57 | zicho | is there any daemon for debian that can be run in the background and play sounds when i ask it to? |
| 21:55.58 | EnterUserName | can i do 4.2.7-22 formatting? |
| 21:56.09 | jelly | rocketmagnet: first thing to do would be to delete the packages downloaded by apt: "aptitude clean" or "apt-get clean". Then use du to see how much space each directory uses |
| 21:56.30 | hyksos | zicho :when and how do you want to "ask" ? |
| 21:56.34 | jelly | EnterUserName: you can do whatever you like as long as dpkg-buildpackage accepts it as legal :-) |
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| 21:56.50 | EnterUserName | oh |
| 21:56.51 | EnterUserName | heh |
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| 21:56.59 | EnterUserName | Well it accepts the 008 as being legal :) |
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| 21:57.20 | EnterUserName | how do you get info on a package? |
| 21:57.25 | zicho | hyksos: By a shellscript, like "[daemon] abc.wav" or likewise |
| 21:57.30 | EnterUserName | with debian? |
| 21:57.31 | lindenl1 | anyone know how to set the xterm size (i.e. like in ctrl right click) from the comman line when you open it? |
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| 21:57.40 | jelly | EnterUserName: installed? dpkg -s package-name |
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| 21:58.00 | Kartoffelsalat | anyone have idea how to "copy paste" in xterm or Eterm? (if possible) |
| 21:58.09 | jelly | !tell EnterUserName about search |
| 21:58.20 | hyksos | zicho : and at what time should the deamon then play the sound? |
| 21:58.34 | zicho | Kartoffelsalat: You can mark the wanted text, and press middle mouse button where you want to paste it |
| 21:58.35 | jelly | Kartoffelsalat: copy: drag with left mouse. paste: press middle button |
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| 21:59.11 | EnterUserName | well i think the version number comes from changelog |
| 21:59.14 | zicho | hyksos: what do you mean? it should just play when i run the shell script |
| 21:59.16 | EnterUserName | not from the control file |
| 21:59.30 | hyksos | zicho : xmms sound.mp3 |
| 21:59.45 | zicho | well that would start xmms |
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| 21:59.56 | hyksos | zicho :someone must play the sound |
| 22:00.07 | Kartoffelsalat | zicho & jelly: oh... ups ;-) thanks |
| 22:00.13 | zicho | i want it to run in background as a daemon, and the daemon will play a sound when connected to by a shell script |
| 22:00.14 | hyksos | zicho :isnt there a daemon option in xmms? |
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| 22:01.24 | rocketmagnet | does someone know how to delete a directory inside a .tar file ? |
| 22:01.39 | hyksos | rocketmagnet :without opening it? |
| 22:01.43 | mesof | can anyone help me with my display |
| 22:01.55 | jelly | zicho: uh, why not just run mpg123 or whatever command line audio player? |
| 22:01.56 | zicho | hyksos: dunno,. |
| 22:01.59 | streuner | why not just extract it, delete the dir and create it new? |
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| 22:02.22 | rocketmagnet | hyksos: yes |
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| 22:02.51 | rocketmagnet | wasn't there something like an interactive console for browsing the content of a tar ? |
| 22:03.10 | streuner | "mc" |
| 22:03.13 | drako | rocketmagnet, man tar |
| 22:03.19 | hyksos | rocketmagnet : --delete |
| 22:03.24 | streuner | but that doesnt create a new tar then |
| 22:03.53 | SORMANOV | how can i block msn ? not by port or by ip, is it possible to get iptables fetch for headers and detect if a packet is for msn service or not ? if it cant, how can i do it ? |
| 22:04.12 | Braindead | SORMANOV: l7-filtering, good luck |
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| 22:04.30 | Braindead | and the users could still use the official MS web gateway |
| 22:04.32 | hyksos | SORMANOV : iptables cannot do that, there is a small sniffer modul, but snort can do that |
| 22:04.43 | snowbird | sorman i can block it |
| 22:05.02 | hcy | jelly: didn't work. hold on, i'm writing the output in a pastebin... |
| 22:05.08 | snowbird | SORMANOV: do u got firewall to monitor ip tables |
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| 22:05.38 | SORMANOV | snowbird, firewall to monitor iptables ? |
| 22:05.38 | zicho | Hmm, I have had this problem for a while. I cant have 2 audio streams at the same time. For example, i cant have music on when i play a game, and hear both the sound from the game and the music. How can i fix this? |
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| 22:05.47 | EnterUserName | Can't you use iptables to block MSN portS? |
| 22:05.53 | EnterUserName | using the OUTPUT chain |
| 22:05.54 | snowbird | thats what i use to set ip tables |
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| 22:06.03 | snowbird | and there is port u can close |
| 22:06.18 | SORMANOV | it's the 1863 |
| 22:06.28 | hyksos | zicho :that is hard, there are kernel-patches for better desktop performance like this, google it |
| 22:06.29 | jelly | SORMANOV: why not just close off the port then? |
| 22:06.30 | SORMANOV | but msn is smart enough to bypass it and use the 80 |
| 22:06.43 | EnterUserName | hrm.. |
| 22:06.44 | EnterUserName | true. |
| 22:06.47 | themill | MSN, like the other P2P and chat programs is extremely good at getting around these things and getting through all sorts of strange network topologies. |
| 22:06.47 | EnterUserName | use ap roxy? |
| 22:06.51 | SORMANOV | and i wont block the IPs because it uses a lot of IPs |
| 22:06.59 | EnterUserName | Block it using a proxy? |
| 22:07.08 | Braindead | SORMANOV: and don't forget webmessenger.msn.com or meebo or ... you name it |
| 22:07.14 | hyksos | EnterUserName :output chain isnt for incoming |
| 22:07.23 | zicho | hyksos: well it worked before when i ran etch unstable. Now im running stable. |
| 22:07.23 | EnterUserName | no output chain is for outgoing |
| 22:07.26 | jelly | themill: great, now they're all gone Skype on us and the only way is to do app. level filtering? |
| 22:07.36 | SORMANOV | i need a real sniffing solution, not a proxy one |
| 22:07.41 | SORMANOV | i wont use squid |
| 22:07.49 | hyksos | zicho :sorry, i dont use sound much |
| 22:07.55 | themill | jelly: pretty much. although since skype has gone titsup today, that might help things along |
| 22:07.59 | hyksos | SORMANOV :snot |
| 22:08.05 | hyksos | SORMANOV :snort , sorry |
| 22:08.09 | EnterUserName | skype's gone titsup? |
| 22:08.11 | jelly | themill: titsup? |
| 22:08.12 | EnterUserName | temp or perm? |
| 22:08.18 | jelly | someone has set up them the boms? |
| 22:08.22 | SORMANOV | hyksos, any guide about it ? |
| 22:08.28 | hyksos | snort.org |
| 22:09.13 | snowbird | in my firewall i list on check it blocks msn |
| 22:09.20 | snowbird | sets ip tables |
| 22:09.25 | themill | EnterUserName: I presume a temporary problem. Their website was down earlier today and I know ppl both in .uk and .us who haven't been able to log in at all today. Under both linux and windoze too, so it's not just skype's normal linux "support". |
| 22:09.35 | hyksos | SORMANOV :if you want to run it on debian, get a guid in google, to know the names of all packages |
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| 22:09.47 | EnterUserName | why do you guys wanna block msn |
| 22:09.48 | hcy | jelly: http://pastebin.ca/660335 -- any idea why it did this? |
| 22:09.50 | EnterUserName | thats not nice :) |
| 22:09.59 | snowbird | bad for kids |
| 22:10.02 | EnterUserName | are your employee's really not doing any work :) |
| 22:10.03 | hyksos | snowbird :your save |
| 22:10.04 | craigevil | hm my skype phone has been logged in all day with no problems |
| 22:10.30 | themill | craigevil: what part of the world? |
| 22:10.31 | jelly | hcy: initramfs wan't generated properly :-( |
| 22:10.32 | snowbird | nope i had hackers from msn and scholls outlawed it |
| 22:10.39 | craigevil | US florida |
| 22:10.42 | hyksos | craigevil :perhaps the info-tool is defect |
| 22:10.55 | jelly | hcy: or missing options in kernel (less likely) |
| 22:11.02 | hcy | jelly: :( i did update-initramfs -c -k 2.6.22.3 |
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| 22:11.16 | jelly | hcy: what are you booting from? SATA disk? root is ext3? |
| 22:11.21 | themill | craigevil: hmmm... was trying to speak to the boss in FL today (bastard's on holidays) and he couldn't log in either. |
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| 22:11.44 | hcy | jelly: harddrive. yes, root is ext3 |
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| 22:11.50 | hyksos | themill :hello my employee :) |
| 22:11.51 | hcy | jelly: hda3 |
| 22:11.56 | snowbird | family got me network hardware yippy yippy |
| 22:11.58 | craigevil | dont normally run it on my pc, but i use a SMC skype phone and as far as I know its been logged in all day |
| 22:12.10 | craigevil | it gives off a rathr annoying beep when it disconnects |
| 22:12.17 | snowbird | hyksos: is the mill supposed to work? |
| 22:12.27 | themill | hyksos: nice try... the boss wouldn't know one end of an irc client from another ;) |
| 22:12.39 | snowbird | i can brake my box and themill will work |
| 22:12.41 | jelly | hcy: which kernel are you running now? |
| 22:12.56 | hcy | the debian one |
| 22:13.03 | jelly | hcy: which version? |
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| 22:13.12 | snowbird | if if i break box themill will grab my neck and wring it |
| 22:13.14 | hcy | jelly: 2.6.22 |
| 22:13.33 | hcy | jelly: 2.6.22-1-686 |
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| 22:13.56 | snowbird | no way not hell can i risk a broken box |
| 22:14.18 | jelly | hcy: oh well. I guess you can still compile in IDE, ide-disk, your controller and ext2/ext3 support and use it without an initrd |
| 22:14.54 | jelly | hcy: look at your current lsmod to see which drivers you might need to compile in. |
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| 22:15.01 | snowbird | themill |
| 22:15.20 | hcy | jelly: how can i know? lsmod is huge |
| 22:15.28 | jelly | hcy: pastebin it |
| 22:15.34 | hyksos | hcy :why do you compile a own kernel? |
| 22:15.48 | hcy | hyksos: because firewire support is broken in the debian one |
| 22:15.56 | hyksos | hcy :ok |
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| 22:17.03 | gpm | topic is a lie, aren't we still on 4.0r0? |
| 22:17.24 | themill | gpm: no, I'm quite happily running r1 on my boxen |
| 22:17.32 | hcy | jelly: http://pastebin.ca/660346 |
| 22:17.37 | snowbird | themill |
| 22:17.38 | jelly | gpm: "The last update to this release was made on August 15th, 2007" </w.d.o> |
| 22:18.10 | gpm | no, i thought etch was released april 15th |
| 22:18.18 | themill | craigevil: skype connection: "p2p connect failed". And that's from home where I know it's not our network ppl finally getting clue and doing something about it. |
| 22:18.18 | gpm | that's what d.o says |
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| 22:18.34 | themill | gpm.... r1 was released about 23 hours ago. |
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| 22:18.47 | snowbird | what is that |
| 22:18.48 | jelly | gpm: flush your caches! |
| 22:18.54 | snowbird | cool |
| 22:18.58 | jaj | Hi! |
| 22:19.02 | blubberdiblub | zicho: using alsa? which version? |
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| 22:19.15 | gpm | aha |
| 22:19.21 | gpm | themill: no |
| 22:19.23 | zicho | blubberdiblub: how can i check? |
| 22:19.25 | craigevil | themill mine just logged me out and sits there trying to connect , Yahoo did that yesterday |
| 22:19.29 | jaj | does anybody habe an example of what sources.list should look like to use "testing" packages |
| 22:19.32 | jaj | ? |
| 22:19.36 | themill | gpm: although strangely, no announcement has made it through to debian-announce yet |
| 22:19.40 | gpm | so it was updated the same day? |
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| 22:19.52 | themill | wtf? |
| 22:19.53 | Kartoffelsalat | jaj: use etch and write stable => testing |
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| 22:20.05 | blubberdiblub | zicho: dpkg -l alsa-base |
| 22:20.18 | Kartoffelsalat | jaj: but as far as i remember there are no updates for testing |
| 22:20.25 | Kartoffelsalat | i use sid so far |
| 22:20.50 | snowbird | there are lots of x org x in my updates are they safe? |
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| 22:21.25 | EnterUserName | Umm are guys as friendly as ubuntus irc channel... heh. I like your topic :) |
| 22:21.41 | jaj | Kartoffelsalat, I did that and I get errors like "Couldn't stat source package list http://non-us.debian.org testing/non-US/main Packages" |
| 22:21.44 | zicho | blubberdiblub: 1.0.13-5 |
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| 22:21.56 | jaj | although it seems to work ok |
| 22:22.09 | Kartoffelsalat | jaj: than try lenny instead of testing |
| 22:22.23 | jaj | Kartoffelsalat, ok |
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| 22:22.31 | lindenl1 | anyone out there use virtual box? |
| 22:22.53 | Kartoffelsalat | lindenl1: i used (not installed atm, but i used it) |
| 22:23.02 | hcy | jelly: http://pastebin.ca/660346 |
| 22:23.22 | themill | jaj: sounds like a screwed up sources.list |
| 22:23.24 | lindenl1 | Kartoffelsalat: im trying to mount an nfs disk to my virtrual machine any idea? |
| 22:23.28 | craigevil | take out the non-us lines |
| 22:23.41 | Kartoffelsalat | lindenl1: uh, no sorry :( |
| 22:23.43 | craigevil | when sarge went stable those lines were obsolete |
| 22:23.47 | jelly | hcy: my guess, compile in: scsi support, scsi disk support, libata, ide disk support, ext2, ext3, and I can't see what's your IDE controller driver from that, there's lots of stuff ;-) |
| 22:24.25 | jelly | hcy: see what does http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ say |
| 22:24.25 | blubberdiblub | zicho: using jackd or not? |
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| 22:24.32 | themill | jaj: if you want, pastebin your sources.list and someone will check them over |
| 22:24.46 | jaj | themill, I used the default one and substituted stable for testing |
| 22:25.00 | catos | hi, how can I have a cloak on my nick? |
| 22:25.07 | themill | jaj: doesn't sound very default... not from etch at least |
| 22:25.15 | Kartoffelsalat | is in debian somewhere a "hosts" list like in windows? (don want to play with nameserver in my LAN, but if is there no other way i must :/) |
| 22:25.22 | catos | ops.. wrong chan |
| 22:25.30 | jaj | themill, here it is: http://rafb.net/p/1qzM0L25.html |
| 22:25.31 | EnterUserName | kart: ya there is |
| 22:25.32 | craigevil | jaj: if it has non-us in the sources.list it is from before Sarge was stable |
| 22:25.38 | jorgp | Kartoffelsalat: there is /etc/hosts |
| 22:25.40 | EnterUserName | using c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc |
| 22:25.43 | EnterUserName | i think |
| 22:25.48 | streuner | catos: yeah, check out freenode.net |
| 22:25.53 | Kartoffelsalat | jorgp: d'oh, so easy ;-) |
| 22:26.06 | EnterUserName | oh |
| 22:26.08 | EnterUserName | debian lol :) |
| 22:26.13 | EnterUserName | /etc/hosts. :) |
| 22:26.28 | themill | jaj: yep, just comment out the non-US line and it should be fine. |
| 22:26.34 | craigevil | jaj: copy the stable part from > http://www.geocities.com/reverendsky/sourceslist.txt |
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| 22:26.41 | jelly | hcy: gotta go, be back in about an hour |
| 22:26.43 | snowbird | 31 updates yikes |
| 22:27.08 | jaj | themill, ok, I'll try that |
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| 22:27.33 | hcy | jelly: k, thnaks |
| 22:27.54 | craigevil | now the question is how did non-us get in the sources.list to begin with since those lines were obsolete when Sarge came out |
| 22:28.23 | Kartoffelsalat | i want to try xcdroast, but as far as i see there is no function to load an iso file... that means i must mount iso files manually? |
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| 22:30.54 | GhostlyDeath | There any utilities that can capture the screen or preferably windows in GNOME? |
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| 22:31.14 | hyksos | GhostlyDeath : ksnapshot |
| 22:31.14 | zicho | blubberdiblub: I think i use it |
| 22:31.47 | GhostlyDeath | i mean real time video recording |
| 22:31.49 | Kartoffelsalat | there any utilities that can capute the screen or [...] withouth beeing a gnome/kde/xfce tool? |
| 22:32.02 | Kartoffelsalat | recordmydesktop |
| 22:32.05 | blubberdiblub | zicho: sorry, then i'm out of the game. i know diddly squat about jackd and how it interacts with alsa :/ |
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| 22:33.22 | hyksos | GhostlyDeath : vnc2swf |
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| 22:33.32 | Kartoffelsalat | there is no known program which creates screenshots, without beeing a kde/gnome/xfce app? |
| 22:33.36 | killown | how do i to enable any flags gcc for optmization in dpkg-buildpackage "it compile package in i386 architecture whithout my flags gcc"? |
| 22:33.57 | GhostlyDeath | i dont run a VNC server on this PC |
| 22:34.01 | hyksos | Kartoffelsalat :vnc2swf |
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| 22:34.08 | _nixMan | does debian come with a working gnome off the shelf or is it hard to configure? |
| 22:34.11 | hyksos | GhostlyDeath :install one, they small |
| 22:34.19 | Kartoffelsalat | hyksos: screenshot, no video |
| 22:34.37 | Kartoffelsalat | _nixMan: install gnome = works |
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| 22:34.49 | Azure | hi |
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| 22:35.00 | dacs_Work | hi all |
| 22:35.00 | Kartoffelsalat | ho |
| 22:35.10 | Azure | can someone tell me how to config grub so i can boot WinXp from my second HDD |
| 22:35.11 | Azure | ??? |
| 22:35.28 | Kartoffelsalat | Azure: look at /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 22:35.37 | Kartoffelsalat | Azure: there are good examples :) |
| 22:35.46 | Kartoffelsalat | at the end of the file (approx.) |
| 22:35.50 | dacs_Work | is there is a web pages that i can read the man on it. like man man or man apropos? |
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| 22:36.06 | EnterUserName | umm |
| 22:36.10 | hyksos | Kartoffelsalat : i dont understand? you mean there no tools that can do screenshots? without beeing a kde or so app? |
| 22:36.12 | EnterUserName | :) |
| 22:36.31 | EnterUserName | hyksos: i sense sarcasm there :) |
| 22:36.37 | dacs_Work | !dpkg man |
| 22:36.44 | Kartoffelsalat | hyksos: i don't no one, which is no kde/gnome/xfce-app |
| 22:37.02 | hyksos | Kartoffelsalat :ah , you dont know one |
| 22:37.03 | zu22 | hi, doing a routine weekly upgrade and getting an error on the update (i run testing): Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch, i've re-run 'apt-get update' several times but the error persists |
| 22:37.19 | blubberdiblub | Kartoffelsalat: maybe try xwd |
| 22:37.34 | Kartoffelsalat | blubberdiblub: i will, thanks |
| 22:37.42 | hyksos | hyksos : a screenshot is a picture that already exists, so grabbing that isnt that new |
| 22:37.47 | Azure | how can i understand witch one is the root for WinXP ? |
| 22:37.55 | dacs_Work | zu22 apt-cache MD5Sum |
| 22:37.57 | dacs_Work | ;) |
| 22:38.00 | EnterUserName | isn't there other? |
| 22:38.00 | Azure | sry if this is stupid question |
| 22:38.08 | hyksos | i talk to myself :) |
| 22:38.18 | dacs_Work | !tell zu22 MD5Sum |
| 22:38.20 | EnterUserName | sorry |
| 22:38.23 | EnterUserName | i dont have windows on my system |
| 22:38.24 | EnterUserName | cant check :) |
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| 22:38.52 | zu22 | dacs_Work: it didn't tell me anything :) you mean "apt-cache show MD5Sum", how exactly do i fix this error? never saw it before |
| 22:39.05 | EnterUserName | umm |
| 22:39.06 | EnterUserName | Azure: |
| 22:39.07 | dkr | Azure: fdisk -l /dev/hda will list partitions on first disk, look for which partition says NTFS or FAT32 |
| 22:39.11 | EnterUserName | chainloader +1 |
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| 22:39.24 | dkr | if none, try /dev/hdb or /dec/hdc |
| 22:39.31 | Azure | WinXp is on separate HDD |
| 22:39.36 | EnterUserName | which drive |
| 22:39.38 | Kartoffelsalat | Azure: have you looked in /boot/grub/menu.lst? there should be a description... but wait, in a few minutes i want to add there my win system too |
| 22:39.47 | EnterUserName | hrm I forgot the commands to map your drives.. |
| 22:39.49 | Azure | it is on hdb |
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| 22:40.01 | EnterUserName | its probably hd(1,0) |
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| 22:40.08 | EnterUserName | title Windows |
| 22:40.15 | hyksos | mount /dev/hddddd /myfile |
| 22:40.27 | Azure | and hdb 1 is C:? |
| 22:40.29 | dacs_Work | zu22 i swear i had this problem before and i fixed it , but i forgot what i did |
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| 22:41.39 | Kartoffelsalat | Azure: hd(0,2) = hdc (not 100% shure) |
| 22:41.55 | EnterUserName | oh |
| 22:41.57 | Kartoffelsalat | Azure: yes |
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| 22:42.28 | EnterUserName | no |
| 22:42.30 | themill | Kartoffelsalat: were you looking for a screenshot program? |
| 22:42.32 | Kartoffelsalat | Azure: try it, when it is not right you cannot start windows, than try again :) |
| 22:42.32 | EnterUserName | isnt hdb a completely other drive? |
| 22:42.39 | Kartoffelsalat | themill: yes |
| 22:42.44 | themill | !screenshot |
| 22:42.44 | dpkg | it has been said that screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 22:42.48 | EnterUserName | wouldn't hdd be hd(1,0)? |
| 22:42.58 | EnterUserName | hdb be 1 hdc be 2 |
| 22:43.10 | dacs_Work | where can i read manuals on the internet if i am not in a linux box |
| 22:43.12 | Kartoffelsalat | EnterUserName: hm yes... i should go sleep ;) (1 AM) |
| 22:43.33 | themill | dacs_Work: stick man pagename into google and there are thousands of them |
| 22:43.35 | EnterUserName | azure: try hd(1,0) for hdb1 |
| 22:43.36 | Kartoffelsalat | themill: thanks :) |
| 22:43.50 | Azure | and how i am supposed to specify which partition on hdb to boot ? |
| 22:44.00 | Azure | because i have 3 partitions under winxp |
| 22:44.01 | EnterUserName | 0 is 1rst partition, 1 is 2nd partition |
| 22:44.05 | EnterUserName | 3 is 3rd partition |
| 22:44.08 | Azure | hdb1 , hdb5 and hdb6 |
| 22:44.10 | Kartoffelsalat | Azure: hd(1,x) |
| 22:44.12 | EnterUserName | erk 2 is 3rd partition |
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| 22:44.13 | themill | dacs_Work: some of them are best to have adblock turned on for though.... |
| 22:44.16 | Azure | 10x |
| 22:44.24 | Azure | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:45.20 | gan|y|med | hi |
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| 22:46.16 | gan|y|med | i am having a very strange problem. on my linux box i cannot access almost any websites, while on the same box i have no problem in winxp whatsoever. both use wlan, same connection. any ideas? |
| 22:46.25 | snowbird | themill adblock what? |
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| 22:46.38 | verboz | hi all |
| 22:47.06 | hyksos | gan|y|med :have you setup the wlan on the linux box? |
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| 22:47.38 | gan|y|med | yes. it uses networkmanager. everything was (almost) fine until 2 days ago |
| 22:47.56 | gan|y|med | the exact same settings as in xp. |
| 22:48.02 | prof | Hi I just was given a sun ultra 80 expert 3D. I know nothing about sun other than I want debian on it. I see there is sparc minimal install, but does debian (linux in general) really run well on these machines? Or will I be hacking away several days? Thanks!!! |
| 22:48.30 | hyksos | gan|y|med :what does these tools say ? you must have read some manuals/guides where some test commands appear, or? |
| 22:48.32 | gan|y|med | however, i could not access some sites |
| 22:48.35 | Old_Fogie | Are new cd's goiiing to be released for 4.0r1? or is it "best" to install off the 4.0r0 and just 'apt-get upgrade' ? Thank you. |
| 22:48.52 | gan|y|med | i can ping every site, with ip and name |
| 22:48.54 | boulbul | I want to back up my server running windows 2000 but it is hosted online... what is the best and easiest way I can back it up using a debian or any other open source software, thank you kindly |
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| 22:49.06 | gan|y|med | i can connect to icq and aim, but not to irc services |
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| 22:49.51 | streuner | !nickometer gan|y|med |
| 22:49.53 | dpkg | 'gan|y|med' is 26.000% lame, streuner |
| 22:49.57 | themill | !tell snowbird about adblock |
| 22:50.15 | sid | What is a free/libre program I can use to talk with someone on a Windows machine using Debian? |
| 22:50.16 | snowbird | thanks |
| 22:50.30 | gan|y|med | website access became more and more intermittent |
| 22:50.38 | prof | \part |
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| 22:50.45 | EnterUserName | !nickometer enterusername |
| 22:50.46 | dpkg | 'enterusername' is 0.000% lame, enterusername |
| 22:50.51 | EnterUserName | woo hoo im not lame! :) |
| 22:50.53 | gan|y|med | dpkg: do something sensible, pls |
| 22:50.58 | streuner | sid: irssi? ;-) |
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| 22:51.20 | themill | sid: openwengo |
| 22:51.31 | gan|y|med | streuner: do sth sensible, pls. like helping me |
| 22:51.44 | themill | Old_Fogie: new CDs will be out some time soon, but you can also just do an update as you suggest. |
| 22:52.04 | sid | thanks themill |
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| 22:53.05 | Azure | hi all again |
| 22:53.19 | Azure | hd(1,0) is not working |
| 22:53.20 | gan|y|med | nobody has ever had a problem with not being able to access websites while other services were still running |
| 22:53.21 | gan|y|med | ? |
| 22:53.22 | Old_Fogie | themill, ok thank you |
| 22:53.27 | Azure | :( |
| 22:53.34 | Azure | any other ideas :) |
| 22:53.39 | themill | sid, Old_Fogie np |
| 22:53.49 | hyksos | gan|y|med :try some other browsers |
| 22:53.54 | gan|y|med | tried all |
| 22:54.02 | EnterUserName | hmm |
| 22:54.04 | EnterUserName | Azure |
| 22:54.06 | EnterUserName | whats your windows drive? |
| 22:54.09 | hyksos | gan|y|med :all on the world? |
| 22:54.18 | gan|y|med | that's not it. i sometimes get a title of a page, but not the page itself |
| 22:54.18 | Azure | hdb |
| 22:54.21 | EnterUserName | hdb what |
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| 22:54.23 | EnterUserName | 1,2,3? |
| 22:54.25 | Azure | and it has 3 partitions |
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| 22:54.36 | Azure | hdb1 ,hdb5 and hdb6 |
| 22:54.40 | EnterUserName | oh |
| 22:54.41 | EnterUserName | hmm |
| 22:54.42 | gan|y|med | trying four different browser with three different engines should be sufficient |
| 22:54.44 | hyksos | gan|y|med : sorry, i dont know, perhaps someone other |
| 22:54.50 | themill | boulbul: look at the cygwin tools from cygwin.com you can use things like rsync from within cygwin which is probably the most robust way of doing it |
| 22:54.51 | EnterUserName | are you using chainloader? |
| 22:55.00 | blubberdiblub | are you guys talking about grub? isn't the syntax (hdX,Y) then? |
| 22:55.00 | gan|y|med | thx anyway |
| 22:55.09 | EnterUserName | ya |
| 22:55.14 | EnterUserName | hdb1 is hd(1,0) |
| 22:55.19 | Azure | the partiton with installed WinXp is hdb1 |
| 22:55.22 | EnterUserName | ohh |
| 22:55.24 | themill | gan|y|med: iceweasel? |
| 22:55.27 | blubberdiblub | nah, (hdX,Y), not hd(X,Y) |
| 22:55.31 | Azure | that is what i try |
| 22:55.37 | EnterUserName | erk azure |
| 22:55.41 | Azure | but it is not working :( |
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| 22:55.48 | EnterUserName | Azure did you try what blubber said? |
| 22:56.11 | Azure | i am gonna try it now |
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| 22:56.14 | gan|y|med | it is not a browser issue |
| 22:56.21 | gan|y|med | everything works fine in winxp |
| 22:56.27 | blubberdiblub | Azure: and you might want to fix your boot.ini on the win partition, if the hd was in another place before |
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| 22:56.33 | gan|y|med | same connection, same nic, same router |
| 22:56.43 | boulbul | themill: thanks |
| 22:57.08 | Solifugus | Does anyone know if Debian is, or tries to be LSB and FHS compiant? |
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| 22:57.17 | Solifugus | s/compiant/compliant/ |
| 22:57.37 | themill | gan|y|med: don't bet on it.... I've found iceweasel has a bug that sounds exactly like that (after a while, pages just won't display) that I've never come across under winxp. As you say, the page title is displayed but the content is not. Restarting iceweasel solves the problem. |
| 22:57.52 | hyksos | Solifugus : it is LSB, but which version i dont know , and FHS, but also which version i dont know |
| 22:57.52 | Azure | i try it with (hd1,0) but is now working again :( |
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| 22:58.22 | Azure | here is part of menu.lst |
| 22:58.29 | EnterUserName | What is the difference between LSB and FHS? |
| 22:58.39 | Azure | title Windows XP Professional |
| 22:58.39 | Azure | root (hd1,1) |
| 22:58.39 | Azure | makeactive |
| 22:58.39 | Azure | chainloader +1 |
| 22:58.39 | Azure | title Windows XP Professional |
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| 22:58.50 | EnterUserName | umm |
| 22:58.53 | EnterUserName | Azure |
| 22:58.57 | EnterUserName | your using the wrong drive |
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| 22:59.13 | EnterUserName | azure |
| 22:59.19 | EnterUserName | use (hd1,0) |
| 22:59.23 | EnterUserName | not (hd1,1) |
| 22:59.27 | EnterUserName | for hdb |
| 22:59.28 | Solifugus | LSB is Linux Standards Base (gnu tools, apis, etc.) and FHS is Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (what kinds of things should go where) |
| 22:59.36 | sid | Is the last name "Chan", chinese.. or japanese? |
| 22:59.37 | sid | or both? |
| 22:59.47 | Azure | i try and with (hd1,0) |
| 22:59.52 | Azure | but is not working again |
| 23:00.24 | EnterUserName | oh |
| 23:00.26 | EnterUserName | rootnoverify |
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| 23:00.29 | EnterUserName | you need i think |
| 23:00.44 | Solifugus | are debian scripts and tools mainly bash based, or some other language or mixed? (e.g. gentoo standardizes on python) |
| 23:01.09 | Azure | what is this \? |
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| 23:01.16 | dondelelcaro | Solifugus: they're in all sorts of languages |
| 23:01.20 | Solifugus | redhat seems to use some python (like in anaconda, the installer) and other things in bash |
| 23:01.24 | EnterUserName | title Microsoft Windows XP Pro |
| 23:01.24 | dondelelcaro | Solifugus: from bash to perl to python to ruby to whatever. |
| 23:01.25 | blubberdiblub | sid: sounds rather chinese. in japanese, you use "chan" when addressing children, or something along those lines :) |
| 23:01.37 | Solifugus | ok.. |
| 23:01.38 | EnterUserName | rootnoverify (hd1,0) |
| 23:01.42 | EnterUserName | chainloader +1 |
| 23:01.50 | EnterUserName | Azure: Try rootnoverify instead of root |
| 23:01.50 | dondelelcaro | EnterUserName: please don't paste here. |
| 23:01.56 | Azure | ok |
| 23:02.02 | EnterUserName | sorry dondel |
| 23:02.05 | sid | thanks blubberdiblub |
| 23:02.42 | Solifugus | ok... so maybe i shouldn't base my new distro on debian.. maybe i should just start with buildroot....and native source... |
| 23:02.44 | dondelelcaro | Solifugus: there's frankly no real reason to standardize on a language, save for core things, and in those cases the right choice is generally bash or a compiled language. |
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| 23:03.05 | dondelelcaro | Solifugus: why are you making a new distribution? |
| 23:03.05 | robboplus | is it possible to force a daemon to listen on a particular ip? in case there is no option in conf while i have a few ips up on the box |
| 23:03.19 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: you can recompile it to force it to do so |
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| 23:03.35 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: or you can have it listen on all, and discard all other packets |
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| 23:03.41 | robboplus | dondelelcaro i don't really know where to look for the ip in source |
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| 23:03.50 | robboplus | hm |
| 23:03.54 | Apachez | when using software raid1 in debian, is it necessary to put the swap in a raid1 partition aswell ? |
| 23:04.06 | Solifugus | dondelelcaro: I just want to build a complete business server.... something of high quality, plug 'n play that's easy to deploy for a new business... |
| 23:04.23 | Solifugus | i need maintainability |
| 23:04.24 | EnterUserName | ubuntu ? <tee hee> |
| 23:04.26 | dondelelcaro | Apachez: no, but it's a good idea. |
| 23:04.45 | Solifugus | ubuntu is unstable, in the sense that they rebuild all the time... |
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| 23:05.02 | dondelelcaro | Solifugus: business server for serving what? As far as maintainability, you're far better off building on a pre-existing base which has proven to be maintainable in the long term. |
| 23:05.03 | Apachez | dondelelcaro: well I was thinking of how will linux deal with if one disk vanishes and half the swap is placed there (in case the swap is not a raid1 device) |
| 23:05.07 | Solifugus | and ubuntu has plenty of issues with partial packages.. i end up always having to compile from source |
| 23:05.27 | dondelelcaro | Apachez: it won't deal with it particularly well |
| 23:06.08 | dondelelcaro | Apachez: which is why you generally want to raid your swap too |
| 23:06.12 | Solifugus | dondelelcaro: basically everything a business needs: dhcp, apache/cms/webstore, pxe boot for thin clients, and an office desktop... disk shares, printer shares, etc. |
| 23:06.32 | dondelelcaro | Solifugus: that's rather different for each business though |
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| 23:06.42 | Solifugus | also good firewall, routing, and failover/backup |
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| 23:07.07 | John_Titor | hmmm is there a way to know if the kernel you are using is stable? |
| 23:07.11 | Solifugus | dondelelcaro: most of this is infrustructure... the CMS app is something I wrote myself, I am calling Daylight (still working ) |
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| 23:07.31 | hyksos | John_Titor : uname -a |
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| 23:07.49 | John_Titor | thanks! |
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| 23:08.03 | dondelelcaro | Solifugus: right, but the problem is that infrastructure needs to be seprable. Unless you're a small shop, you don't run dhcp on the same machine that runs an internal server or pxe boot or whatever. |
| 23:08.08 | Solifugus | dondelelcaro: the CMS is versatile and is essentially a versioned collaboration system, with billing/accounting/sales modules. |
| 23:08.11 | creature | So I'm looking at automatic backups. http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/#ReadOnly tells me that if I mount something in two places I can't have one mount point read-only and the other read/write. Is this still the case? |
| 23:08.28 | cr3 | anyone happen to know of a package which converts accounts in ldap to users on the system? |
| 23:08.39 | dondelelcaro | creature: mounting what in two places? |
| 23:08.50 | Solifugus | dondelelcaro: Yes.. I have been designing an interface as to turn on and off each componant. A very small mom and pop shop might want most of that in one box, though. |
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| 23:09.01 | creature | dondelelcaro: it's an external hard disk, though I don't think it matters too much, does it? |
| 23:09.09 | dondelelcaro | creature: but on the same machine? |
| 23:09.14 | creature | Yes. |
| 23:09.26 | dondelelcaro | creature: just mount it once and bind mount it into the second location |
| 23:09.43 | Solifugus | I made a gentoo based DVD that installs a system like this... only not as complete as I want it... and gentoo quality is terrible these days. |
| 23:09.50 | creature | dondelelcaro: Yes, that's what I want to do. But, it used to be that I can't have different permissions on each mount point. And I want to know if that's still the case. |
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| 23:10.07 | creature | dondelelcaro: You may find the document a little more expository. |
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| 23:10.59 | dwon | creature: you might be able to do it with selinux |
| 23:11.14 | dwon | creature: I doubt you can mount --bind --ro |
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| 23:11.26 | dondelelcaro | dwon: well, you can, but it doesn't do what you'd think it would. |
| 23:11.32 | themill | creature: you're right; a bind mount will have the same permissions as the original mount. Try a read-only NFS share on loopback. |
| 23:11.34 | Solifugus | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.39 | Apachez | over n out |
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| 23:11.41 | streuner_ | well, i doubt selinux is in etch integrated |
| 23:11.42 | themill | dwon: you can, but it's still rw not ro ;( |
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| 23:11.52 | hyksos | dwon : what has selinux todo with that? |
| 23:12.10 | Solifugus | dondelelcaro: but my gentoo based system is not practical, because gentoo keeps moving underneith me... |
| 23:12.15 | dondelelcaro | creature: oh, sorry. I didn't quite see the point; I don't think you can do that with bind mounts. With a physical device, you probably could mount it twice, possibly using loopback, ro, but I've personally never tried. |
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| 23:12.30 | Solifugus | need long lasting stability.....above all. |
| 23:12.34 | dwon | hyksos: the idea (according to the linked URL) is to make a filesystem rw for the backup process, but ro for everyone else |
| 23:12.59 | creature | I will try it, and find out. |
| 23:13.06 | hyksos | dwon :ah,ok |
| 23:13.08 | dondelelcaro | Solifugus: frankly, I don't see either system as particularly practical. What you'll have better luck with is creating a series of tasks which install different Debian packages and making the absolute minimum number of changes required to get Debian to do what you want it to do. |
| 23:13.12 | themill | creature: rsnapshot has a howto about doing what you want to do, i think |
| 23:13.14 | EnterUserName | Solifugus: gentoo quality is terrible? I havent had many problems with it |
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| 23:14.05 | themill | !gentoosmite EnterUserName |
| 23:14.16 | streuner_ | ah, there we go :-) |
| 23:14.21 | EnterUserName | lol |
| 23:14.32 | creature | Yeah, I can't mount it read-only using bind. What a gyp. |
| 23:14.40 | Solifugus | EnterUserName: the devil is in the details, depending on what you need to do with it... try setting up apache 2.2, mod_dav_svn, mod_ssl, and mod_authz_ldap and making them work together? the gentoo apache packages are too hacked up.. you can't.. that's just one example... |
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| 23:14.52 | hyksos | creature : try to remount it ro |
| 23:15.01 | EnterUserName | oh ok. |
| 23:15.01 | streuner_ | dondelelcaro: see, most user find that cmd. very funny, and in my experiences even gentoo users ;-) |
| 23:15.02 | S4nD3r | Is possible to create PDF files using Microsoft Word with crossoffice ?? |
| 23:15.05 | themill | EnterUserName: it's more about having to rewrite the configuration everytime there's a new release. It's like the bad old days of RHL when instead of backporting a security fix they forced you to upgrade to a newer version of apache or sendmail or whatever. Horrible. |
| 23:15.07 | creature | hyksos: You miss the point somewhat. |
| 23:15.25 | creature | hyksos: I want one mount point mounted rw, and one mounted ro. I can't achieve this with mount --bind. I'd have to use NFS or similar. |
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| 23:15.35 | hyksos | creature :remount is after mounting, but perhaps i miss somewhat |
| 23:15.38 | Solifugus | dondelelcaro: Yes.. that's exactly what I was thinking with debian.... on stable. then focus my work on admin facilities. |
| 23:15.46 | dwon | S4nD3r: yeah, you can |
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| 23:15.49 | streuner_ | dondelelcaro: and most gentoo users, in my experiences, have humor ;-) |
| 23:15.51 | S4nD3r | how ? |
| 23:16.00 | S4nD3r | Im creating prn files |
| 23:16.12 | S4nD3r | after, renaming to ps |
| 23:16.13 | dwon | S4nD3r: I forget exactly, but you basically set up a print queue that generates PDF-format files. |
| 23:16.14 | themill | prn == ps under wine |
| 23:16.16 | creature | hyksos: The link I pasted above gives a good explanation, if you're interested. |
| 23:16.17 | dkr | streuner_: they have to, to be able to handle how much the rest of us make fun of them. :) |
| 23:16.18 | S4nD3r | and, ps2pdf to pdf |
| 23:16.35 | streuner_ | dkr: hehe :-) |
| 23:16.47 | themill | S4nD3r: they're huge and ugly though, usually. |
| 23:16.54 | dwon | S4nD3r: I think you'd actually do it using CUPS or something, and then print to that queue (xprint has something like this with its $HOME/Xprintjobs directory) |
| 23:17.03 | snowbird | my gui samba config crashes at work group |
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| 23:17.17 | S4nD3r | I will see this |
| 23:17.33 | themill | S4nD3r, dwon: it seems that what wine spits out is images-based postscript not text-based (if you know what I mean). |
| 23:17.46 | dwon | themill: eww, really? |
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| 23:18.18 | themill | dwon: that was certainly the case 12 months or so ago. Might have improved.... wine is improving rapidly. |
| 23:18.25 | S4nD3r | no |
| 23:18.27 | dwon | S4nD3r: you might want to see if you can install PDFCreator (it's a Windows-based PDF printer driver) inside crossover, then |
| 23:18.41 | dwon | themill: odd, I don't remember that ever being the case |
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| 23:18.46 | vargran | hi everyone! |
| 23:18.50 | zicho | hi |
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| 23:19.09 | themill | dwon: I did try PDFCreator once, spectacular failure due to the way wine goes straight to cups |
| 23:19.21 | S4nD3r | I hve pdfcreator |
| 23:19.45 | vargran | people after I made dist-upgrade I can't install nvidia drivers :( it says: "The runtime configuration check failed for the library" - and lots of text after that. How can I fix this? |
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| 23:20.11 | themill | dwon: I managed to turn a 10 page word doc that was only plain text and a few images into a 60MB PDF using prn=>ps=>pdf.... ;( I just gave up and went to latex at that stage. |
| 23:20.21 | Solifugus | dondelelcaro: i use grub a main install and a recovery install on a separate partition.. After boot, grub.conf is changed to point to the recovery... so if the power goes out or something, it will reboot into the recovery partition that does fschecks and a list of other disaster checking/fixing tasks, then fixes grub.conf and reboots into the main system. |
| 23:20.22 | hyksos | vargran :recompile |
| 23:20.30 | vargran | hyksos, recompile what? |
| 23:20.36 | hyksos | nvidia |
| 23:20.54 | vargran | hyksos, I'm trying to do it, bu all I get is message above |
| 23:21.00 | Solifugus | dondelelcaro: I am thinking a lot of os400's auto-matic systems administration. |
| 23:21.22 | hyksos | vargran :perhaps look at nvidia site which kernels are supported |
| 23:21.24 | dondelelcaro | Solifugus: why muck with grub.conf? |
| 23:21.44 | dondelelcaro | Solifugus: grub-set-default exists for this very reason, and isn't as fragile. |
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| 23:22.07 | vargran | hyksos, it says "The most likely reason for this is that conflicting OpenGL libraries are installed in a location not inspected |
| 23:22.07 | vargran | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.07 | vargran | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.15 | themill | !paste |
| 23:22.15 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 23:22.35 | vargran | sorry |
| 23:22.59 | themill | vargran: that's ok, but one more line and the bot would have kicked you ;) |
| 23:23.14 | hyksos | vargran :perhaps try it from console again without running X |
| 23:23.28 | vargran | hyksos, I'm doing so |
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| 23:23.36 | Solifugus | dondelelcaro: i am constantly learning things to improve on the system.... |
| 23:24.04 | hyksos | vargran :x is really not running, or your only on f1 console with running x |
| 23:24.13 | themill | Solifugus: the best thing you could probably do is to work up useful patches and feed them back into debian. |
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| 23:24.22 | vargran | hyksos, its wasn't running |
| 23:24.38 | hyksos | it wasnt or it is not running |
| 23:24.46 | Solifugus | themill: sure.. where they'd apply to debian.... |
| 23:24.50 | snowbird | stoned are u here? |
| 23:24.55 | dwon | S4nD3r: If you want, you can play with an ancient, unmaintained tool I wrote: http://ftp.dlitz.net/pub/dlitz/msdoc2pdf/ |
| 23:25.07 | streuner_ | snowbird: /msg dpkg seen stoned |
| 23:25.21 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.23 | AmigoLu | Hello anybody can suggest me which debian should I install on my hp pavilion dv6xxx with processor intel core 2 duo t5450? |
| 23:25.28 | dwon | S4nD3r: it was designed to batch-convert word docs to PDF using Microsoft's free-of-charge Word Viewer |
| 23:25.29 | vargran | hyksos, when I was building mod it wasn't running |
| 23:25.30 | streuner_ | that brings nothing |
| 23:25.31 | AmigoLu | its a 64 bits processor :S |
| 23:25.38 | themill | Solifugus: if they're useful to people, then they apply to debian |
| 23:25.41 | streuner_ | snowbird: Whats your question? |
| 23:25.54 | snowbird | i am trying to install samba |
| 23:25.57 | themill | dwon: nice. |
| 23:25.59 | streuner_ | omg |
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| 23:26.25 | snowbird | when it gets to box for name of work group it closes |
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| 23:26.37 | hyksos | vargran :i dont run nvidia but i think there infos about glib or opengl problems on there website |
| 23:26.43 | jelly-home | hcy: boo |
| 23:27.07 | Solifugus | themill: I think people will like my Daylight project.. when i release it.. there really is no other competitor to microsoft sharepoint... |
| 23:27.11 | snowbird | streuner_: |
| 23:27.16 | streuner_ | if you looking for experts in samba, just /j #samba |
| 23:27.24 | vargran | hyksos, I'm trying to install it by hands, if I'll fail then I'll go to their site. at the moment I didn't find any solutions for that on forums |
| 23:27.34 | snowbird | i was there tehy don't know what it does that |
| 23:27.38 | Solifugus | themill: Daylight is the center-point of all my efforts, really. |
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| 23:27.53 | dwon | themill: no, it's not. it's an ugly hack |
| 23:27.57 | snowbird | streuner_: how do u share u files on another pc? |
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| 23:28.15 | badcfe | hello. "man strchr" gives nothing. what package must i install in order to get those man pages? |
| 23:28.23 | themill | dwon: yes, but being able to batch convert is nice.... gotta love that. |
| 23:28.37 | themill | !tell badcfe about gcc-doc |
| 23:28.44 | Coweater | badcfe: manpages-dev |
| 23:28.47 | dwon | themill: it sent keystrokes to the window to make it do File -> Print :) |
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| 23:29.13 | hyksos | vargran :i find many in google, google it |
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| 23:29.46 | vargran | hyksos, I found many in google too, but they all don't get till result :( |
| 23:29.49 | jelly-home | $DEITY, dpkg -S /usr/share/man/man3/strchr.3.gz takes AGES |
| 23:29.57 | hyksos | vargran :ah,ok |
| 23:30.25 | jelly-home | dpkg -S /usr/share/man/man3/strchr.3.gz 1,34s user 0,71s system 6% cpu 31,608 total ... and that's on a second consecutive run |
| 23:30.25 | dpkg | There is no record of a /usr/share/man/man3/strchr.3.gz 1,34s user 0,71s system 6% cpu 31,608 total ... and that's on a second consecutive run package |
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| 23:30.35 | jelly-home | dpkg: fuck you |
| 23:30.35 | dpkg | no, fuck you |
| 23:30.36 | badcfe | Coweater: huh. it was manpages-dev. a name i would suspect was for development of manual pages or the man system itself |
| 23:30.58 | EnterUserName | dpkg: your a moron |
| 23:31.10 | EnterUserName | hah.. the bot doesnt know what to say! |
| 23:31.10 | EnterUserName | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.11 | streuner_ | dpkg, what are you? |
| 23:31.11 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 23:31.17 | karsten | Is there a method to save an audio stream from mplayer (or similar) if the stream itself doesn't support saving directly? |
| 23:31.22 | jaj | I have troubles with apt-get upgrade |
| 23:31.26 | karsten | dpkg: marry me! |
| 23:31.26 | dpkg | but I've been playing The Sims all day, and I've finally got enough friendship points to propose to someone else... |
| 23:31.27 | jaj | http://rafb.net/p/0fmtAj59.html |
| 23:31.28 | jelly-home | badcfe: it's actually dev-manpages :-) |
| 23:31.30 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.31 | streuner_ | sure, it doesnt unterstand the syntax |
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| 23:31.34 | S4nD3r | didnt work |
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| 23:31.41 | badcfe | themill: i dont need that non-free stuff then, but thanks |
| 23:31.42 | hyksos | karsten :with a microphone |
| 23:31.45 | karsten | Feh. Dissed by a bot. |
| 23:31.46 | EnterUserName | haha |
| 23:31.46 | jelly-home | badcfe: (the content, I mean) |
| 23:32.00 | karsten | hyksos: Marry me with a microphone? |
| 23:32.04 | EnterUserName | dpkg: marry jelly-home! |
| 23:32.05 | jaj | conflicts between the debianutils and the passwd packages... |
| 23:32.11 | badcfe | jelly-home: apt-get install manpages-dev did it |
| 23:32.13 | jelly-home | EnterUserName: it just doesn't answer to gramatically incorrect queries |
| 23:32.16 | jaj | does anybody have an idea? |
| 23:32.30 | streuner_ | jaj: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:32.55 | snowbird | streuner_: how do u share stuff? |
| 23:32.56 | themill | badcfe: hmmm.. bad dpkg. will go and tell it off. |
| 23:33.02 | jaj | streuner_, libc6 2.6-2 |
| 23:33.09 | Solifugus | what kernel is debian stable on? |
| 23:33.16 | streuner_ | 2.6.18 |
| 23:33.24 | themill | dwon: excellent... nothing quite like it. I've been using an instrument (that cost millions) that does much the same thing... you type a macro name into a tcl command box and then it simulates mouse clicks on a labview interface. Amazing.... |
| 23:33.27 | karsten | !info streamripper |
| 23:33.27 | streuner_ | jaj: thats not the whole output... |
| 23:33.31 | dpkg | streamripper: (download online streams into audio files), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.62.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 71 kB, Installed size: 148 kB |
| 23:33.32 | karsten | Looks like that might do it. |
| 23:33.33 | Solifugus | really?? i was expected 2.2.x... |
| 23:33.39 | Solifugus | ok |
| 23:33.47 | jaj | vs155129:~# dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 23:33.47 | streuner_ | snowbird: its ages ago when i use samba... |
| 23:33.47 | jaj | ii libc6 2.6-2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 23:33.57 | dvs | Solifugus: hey. we're not THAT far behind |
| 23:34.05 | streuner_ | jaj: what kind of distro do you use? |
| 23:34.22 | jelly-home | dvs: potato, etch... it's easy to mistake the two |
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| 23:34.29 | jaj | streuner_, debian etch, I try to upgrade to lenny |
| 23:34.36 | Greyscale__ | How do I start a torrent in rtorrent? |
| 23:34.39 | Solifugus | 2.6.18 is almost right up there.. |
| 23:34.42 | EnterUserName | oh |
| 23:34.43 | jaj | at least the packages |
| 23:34.51 | EnterUserName | GeyScale: you can load one |
| 23:34.58 | jelly-home | Solifugus: now, let's not talk dirty. |
| 23:34.58 | EnterUserName | or you can place torrents in a watch folder.. |
| 23:35.06 | streuner_ | jaj: at least the packages, and what distro? |
| 23:35.06 | Greyscale__ | EnterUserName, how? |
| 23:35.12 | EnterUserName | umm create .rtorrentrc |
| 23:35.17 | Greyscale__ | the former |
| 23:35.21 | EnterUserName | oh hold. |
| 23:35.25 | snowbird | streuner_:whast new to sue? |
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| 23:35.42 | jaj | streuner_, how do you mean what distro? |
| 23:35.51 | EnterUserName | l should do it |
| 23:35.56 | EnterUserName | press l you should get a load prompt |
| 23:35.59 | streuner_ | !info libc6 etch |
| 23:36.03 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 (etch), Packaged size: 4588 kB, Installed size: 10804 kB |
| 23:36.18 | dvs | streuner_: probably lenny |
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| 23:36.27 | Greyscale__ | EnterUserName, that shows the log window |
| 23:36.30 | EnterUserName | huh |
| 23:36.35 | badcfe | i have lenny, and its 2.6-2 |
| 23:36.44 | EnterUserName | Erk: Press enter. |
| 23:36.54 | badcfe | EnterPassWord |
| 23:36.55 | Greyscale__ | ah! |
| 23:36.56 | EnterUserName | All I did on my rtorrent client was press enter. |
| 23:36.59 | streuner_ | badcfe, dvs: ah, thanks |
| 23:37.08 | EnterUserName | I don't usually use that. I usually use the watch folder. |
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| 23:37.13 | qualquercoisa | hello |
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| 23:37.27 | badcfe | streuner_: if you wanna i can login on an etch and check there .. |
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| 23:37.36 | streuner_ | nah |
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| 23:37.43 | badcfe | ok |
| 23:37.51 | streuner_ | jaj: did you look at BTS? |
| 23:37.51 | Solifugus | jelly-home: u remind me of an article a read the other day about how we evolved from sea quirts (that eat their own brains), to hagfish (that crawl into the mouths and anus' of other creatures), to the first vertebrates .. all fish.. and eventually humans. |
| 23:37.59 | shadowrider | could anyone point me a reference on how to setup a wireless connection on a laptop running debian? |
| 23:38.02 | Greyscale__ | hurruh, its working |
| 23:38.31 | jmichaelx | i am wanting to use the rhapsody music service plugin in ineweasel, but cannot as it needs to be able to identify itself as FF. i tried using netscape, but it makes this old PC crash, for some reason. would anyone here know what file i need to edit to make iceweasel identify itself as FF? is it 'compatibility.ini'? |
| 23:38.35 | streuner_ | jaj: sometimes there is a workaround there... |
| 23:38.41 | EnterUserName | What the heck is ineweasel? |
| 23:38.42 | jmichaelx | iceweasel* |
| 23:38.51 | Bogus8 | what is the latest status on getting irssi .8.11 into a repos? |
| 23:38.52 | EnterUserName | What is iceweasel :) |
| 23:38.56 | streuner_ | !iceweasel |
| 23:38.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 23:38.57 | jmichaelx | lol |
| 23:38.57 | jaj | streuner_, bts? |
| 23:38.59 | Greyscale__ | EnterUserName, firefox for debian |
| 23:39.02 | Greyscale__ | stupid legal reasons |
| 23:39.08 | streuner_ | jaj: /msg dpkg bts |
| 23:39.16 | jaj | streuner_, bts == bug tracking system? |
| 23:39.18 | EnterUserName | Huh? |
| 23:39.20 | streuner_ | yes |
| 23:39.23 | jaj | ok :) |
| 23:39.24 | EnterUserName | DFSG? HUH? |
| 23:39.31 | shadowrider | anyone? |
| 23:39.33 | Greyscale__ | EnterUserName, legal dramme over some graphics in Firefox |
| 23:39.34 | dererk | !dfsg |
| 23:39.34 | dpkg | i heard dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 23:39.37 | Greyscale__ | and debian forked it |
| 23:39.46 | shadowrider | !wi-fi |
| 23:39.51 | Greyscale__ | and rebranded it (and thunderbird) iceweasel (and icedove) |
| 23:40.02 | shadowrider | !wireless |
| 23:40.02 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or ask me about <rtl-wifi> for Linksys WPC11 or Netgear WG111v2. |
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| 23:40.07 | themill | shadowrider: whats your chipset? |
| 23:40.08 | jmichaelx | not to mention iceape for seamonkey.... |
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| 23:40.24 | snowbird | streuner_: u dont transfer fies eh? |
| 23:40.26 | EnterUserName | So are the 2 code peices different or did they just take the offending graphics out?; |
| 23:40.41 | jmichaelx | totally the same except for the graphics |
| 23:40.43 | badcfe | just place a geographic word in front of an animal and you have a new browser |
| 23:40.57 | karsten | badcfe: PeninsualRat! |
| 23:41.04 | karsten | erm. Sorta. |
| 23:41.04 | streuner_ | snowbird: often i (just) run Debian :-P |
| 23:41.05 | dvs | fogshunk! |
| 23:41.07 | badcfe | its the mozilla libs inside anyways |
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| 23:41.09 | EnterUserName | oh hrm. |
| 23:41.16 | jmichaelx | however.... i still need to make it identify itself as FF to get my plugin to work. |
| 23:41.27 | qualquercoisa | i need some help, how do i change the blocked files on amavis? |
| 23:41.34 | snowbird | streuner_: me to but have to get file to burner in another tower |
| 23:41.42 | streuner_ | snowbird: i need 98 for playing games, thats all... |
| 23:42.03 | snowbird | i wouner how to get files to that tower |
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| 23:42.33 | jmichaelx | is there an iceweasel channel? lol |
| 23:42.55 | jmichaelx | ok, no there isn't |
| 23:42.56 | streuner_ | heh |
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| 23:43.13 | Turquoiser | !iceape |
| 23:43.13 | dpkg | hmm... iceape is The Iceape Internet Suite is an unbranded Seamonkey Internet Suite suitable for free distribution. The Seamonkey Internet Suite is a set of Internet oriented applications. It is the continuity of the Mozilla Suite after it has been abandoned in favor of Firefox and Thunderbird. |
| 23:43.18 | streuner_ | snowbird: NFS? |
| 23:43.31 | snowbird | yeah |
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| 23:43.44 | streuner_ | there are solutions for windows |
| 23:43.49 | snowbird | there is kde thing to i don't know what to tell it |
| 23:43.50 | streuner_ | and free ones |
| 23:43.59 | jmichaelx | by the way, the new linux netscape does not look bad at all. just wish it didn't crash this PC |
| 23:44.17 | EnterUserName | When did this firefox thing happen? |
| 23:44.18 | Greyscale__ | any ncurses ftp clients? |
| 23:44.19 | streuner_ | snowbird: winscp |
| 23:44.26 | rocketmagnet | hey, is there a tool that manages books/multimedia files on a harddisc (also pack the books and only unpack when reading) for debian/gnome ? |
| 23:44.32 | EnterUserName | Did someone say you cant steal our graphic or something? |
| 23:44.36 | jmichaelx | EnterUserName: i think it happened before etch went stable |
| 23:44.43 | streuner_ | snowbird: is using ssh (scp) |
| 23:44.45 | Greyscale__ | EnterUserName, licence conflict |
| 23:44.51 | Greyscale__ | debian is GPL only |
| 23:44.59 | EnterUserName | what license is the graphic? |
| 23:45.01 | Greyscale__ | and firefox artwork were otherwise |
| 23:45.03 | themill | Greyscale__: no it's not. stop talking shit |
| 23:45.06 | Greyscale__ | I think it was creative commons |
| 23:45.09 | streuner_ | snowbird: (almost) no need to configure something |
| 23:45.23 | Greyscale__ | themill, isn't debian free as in freedom (not beer) |
| 23:45.25 | Greyscale__ | ? |
| 23:45.26 | stoned | g |
| 23:45.30 | Nikolas1994 | Oh,I'm very afraid to instal debian and keep windows(dual boot) cause the tutorials i saw aren't very simple and i'm afraid :'( |
| 23:45.45 | EnterUserName | Nikolas1994: Use a friendler distro? |
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| 23:45.58 | Greyscale__ | Nikolas1994, fun fact: Windows is a Toy OS. Its no good for business or getting anything done |
| 23:45.58 | Nikolas1994 | Anyone knows a simple tutorial how to instal latest debian with windows xp kept? |
| 23:46.03 | S4nD3r | thereis antiword |
| 23:46.07 | S4nD3r | is great package |
| 23:46.08 | stoned | hmm |
| 23:46.11 | EnterUserName | Greyscale: Ya... so if I "hypothetically" want to use non GPL code can i use other repositories for debian |
| 23:46.13 | themill | Greyscale__: GPL is not the only way of expressing freedom. Have a look at the licences you have in /usr/share/common-licences. |
| 23:46.16 | snowbird | stoned |
| 23:46.23 | streuner_ | Nikolas1994: its very easy |
| 23:46.34 | Nikolas1994 | But i'm newb |
| 23:46.39 | streuner_ | Nikolas1994: read ig (/msg dpkg ig) |
| 23:46.45 | stoned | Nikolas1994: if you have windows installed, and you install debian on another disk on top of it, linux should hopefully detect it, and create an entry for you so you can boot either linux or debian. There are many 'dual boot' tutorials on google |
| 23:46.46 | jmichaelx | Nikolas1994: TAKE YOUR TIME AND READ A LITTLE ABOUT PARTITIONING AND FILESYSTEMS... IT IS NOT THAT DIFFICULT |
| 23:46.47 | Greyscale__ | well, whatever, debian had licence drama with Firefox over the product art and they rebranded shit |
| 23:46.50 | stoned | Nikolas1994: search around |
| 23:46.51 | themill | Greyscale__: have a look at the licence for iceweasel, openoffice, openssh etc etc |
| 23:46.52 | Nikolas1994 | for you it could be,for me its like passing a labyrinth |
| 23:47.03 | jmichaelx | sorry about the caps, that was an accident |
| 23:47.10 | stoned | jmichaelx: please do not use all caps |
| 23:47.15 | Greyscale__ | Nikolas1994, go play with ubuntu for a bit, then use debian once you get used to it |
| 23:47.17 | stoned | ok |
| 23:47.24 | Greyscale__ | thats what I did, and I'm reasonably OK |
| 23:47.30 | snowbird | stoned do u trasfer files? |
| 23:47.34 | Greyscale__ | the ubuntu installer will be a doddle for you |
| 23:47.36 | silvertip257 | I recently installed Debian Etch via the netinstall CD iso allowing it only to leave me with a base install. I have since then added xorg and fluxbox, but my resolution is 800x600 on a 1024x768 LCD monitor. Xorg.conf shows 1024, but xrandr does not. Please help and thank you. |
| 23:47.42 | stoned | please don't suggest ubuntu in here, we don't want to lose a customer :) |
| 23:47.42 | Greyscale__ | or try running it in a VM |
| 23:47.46 | jmichaelx | debian is just as easy to install as debian..... |
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| 23:47.52 | jmichaelx | as ubuntu* |
| 23:47.58 | stoned | !d-i Nikolas1994 |
| 23:47.58 | dpkg | Nikolas1994, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:48.00 | Greyscale__ | debian could learn from the ubuntu installer. |
| 23:48.01 | predder | Greyscale__, that was not actually the only problem. Firefox dropped compatibility for a bunch of architectures and use an old version of libc |
| 23:48.02 | stoned | !ig Nikolas1994 |
| 23:48.05 | stoned | !ig |
| 23:48.05 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 23:48.06 | Greyscale__ | I like the fact its a liveCD too |
| 23:48.10 | karsten | jmichaelx: I hear ubuntu is just as easy to install as ubuntu too. |
| 23:48.10 | stoned | read the install guide Nikolas1994 |
| 23:48.18 | stoned | Nikolas1994: the install guide will answer all your questions too |
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| 23:48.31 | stoned | Nikolas1994: just install debian, and it will setup dual boot and chainload windows for you |
| 23:48.33 | jmichaelx | karsten: i seriously doubt that! |
| 23:48.36 | Nikolas1994 | k |
| 23:48.38 | Greyscale__ | ubuntu CD's make great recovery tools. Bung 'em in, install proftpd and pull the files off the downed machine |
| 23:48.38 | stoned | Nikolas1994: or read up on google about the tutorials |
| 23:48.53 | jmichaelx | :-) |
| 23:48.56 | stoned | Greyscale__: yes... there are many methods. |
| 23:49.00 | Nikolas1994 | 144mb |
| 23:49.01 | BelialMkII | live CD installers can ba a pain on low end systems |
| 23:49.06 | Nikolas1994 | what's this thing??? |
| 23:49.13 | stoned | BelialMkII: ever heard of DSL |
| 23:49.14 | Greyscale__ | Nikolas1994, net installer |
| 23:49.14 | predder | Nikolas1994, during the install process you'll be prompted to install the grub boot loader and asked if you want it to add a menu entry for windows. Answer yes to both and you'll be fine |
| 23:49.15 | jaj | !moo |
| 23:49.15 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 23:49.35 | Nikolas1994 | http://goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 23:49.37 | jmichaelx | beautiful poetry there |
| 23:49.42 | Nikolas1994 | a friend of mine gave me this link |
| 23:49.44 | EnterUserName | Predder: how about repartitioning the disk and keeping yoru windows stuff |
| 23:49.45 | BelialMkII | stoned: yeah, i ended up using vector though |
| 23:49.56 | stoned | !debian.exe |
| 23:49.56 | dpkg | [debian.exe] the debian-installer loader for win32, which will install Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (ETCH) as default. `debian.exe` will install grub for NT on C drive, then proceed to download the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and create entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com - Ask me about installation guide <ig> (/msg dpkg ig). |
| 23:49.59 | jmichaelx | <likes vector linux |
| 23:50.11 | EnterUserName | Like partitionmagic :) |
| 23:50.14 | EnterUserName | what can debian do for that :) |
| 23:50.34 | Greyscale__ | I like that windows->debian installer voodoo |
| 23:50.35 | stoned | cfdisk, fdisk, parted, qtparted, gparted, partition manager |
| 23:50.35 | silvertip257 | I recently installed Debian Etch via the netinstall CD iso allowing it only to leave me with a base install. I have since then added xorg and fluxbox, but my resolution is 800x600 on a 1024x768 LCD monitor. Xorg.conf shows 1024, but xrandr does not. Please help and thank you. |
| 23:50.35 | Greyscale__ | :> |
| 23:50.37 | stoned | blah blah blah |
| 23:50.40 | stoned | !partition |
| 23:50.40 | dpkg | partition is, like, You can partition your hard drive by breaking it up into one or more pieces, or "partitions." Partition |
| 23:50.45 | S4nD3r | I tried to use cupspdf |
| 23:50.47 | S4nD3r | but didnt work |
| 23:50.48 | stoned | hm |
| 23:51.01 | Greyscale__ | silvertip257, what is your confirmed max res? |
| 23:51.16 | Greyscale__ | and what is your chipset? |
| 23:51.40 | Greyscale__ | I have an issue with pushing 1600x1200 on my desktop (4MB graphics means I can only hit 16 colours) |
| 23:51.53 | Greyscale__ | 32 bit colours makes it drop to 800x600 |
| 23:51.56 | silvertip257 | Greyscale__ 1024x768 is the max res on the Neomagic NM2160 |
| 23:52.01 | EnterUserName | ttyl |
| 23:52.02 | EnterUserName | all |
| 23:52.05 | EnterUserName | its home time |
| 23:52.05 | Greyscale__ | Odd |
| 23:52.10 | stoned | !enter |
| 23:52.10 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 23:52.13 | Greyscale__ | is the graphics card up to it? |
| 23:52.23 | stoned | wow |
| 23:52.28 | stoned | I CANNOT deal with that |
| 23:52.33 | stoned | thats fucking crazy riduclous |
| 23:52.38 | Greyscale__ | also: Fun way of doing it: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:52.45 | EnterUserName | Sorry stoned. You are right. I should not use enter for punctuation :) |
| 23:52.48 | S4nD3r | I didnt find a solution to convert doc to pdf |
| 23:52.48 | Greyscale__ | nice psuedo graphical way |
| 23:52.58 | silvertip257 | Greyscale__ I have ran DSL on it at 1024 w/ 16 or 24 depth |
| 23:53.00 | dvs | huh?!? |
| 23:53.00 | Greyscale__ | S4nD3r, don't use doc in the first place :P |
| 23:53.00 | stoned | EnterUserName: I meant i can't deal with low resoluoin you're fine |
| 23:53.01 | stoned | :) |
| 23:53.05 | themill | S4nD3r: is openoffice an option for you? |
| 23:53.07 | Greyscale__ | brb, potty break |
| 23:53.11 | stoned | dude |
| 23:53.13 | stoned | TMI ffs |
| 23:53.14 | themill | too much information! |
| 23:53.18 | dvs | Greyscale__: no shit? ;-) |
| 23:53.24 | S4nD3r | I have a lot of files in doc |
| 23:53.29 | stoned | hes takin the cosby's to the superbowl |
| 23:53.33 | S4nD3r | I just use openoffice |
| 23:53.33 | stoned | drop the kids off at the pool |
| 23:53.36 | S4nD3r | of course |
| 23:53.40 | stoned | unload |
| 23:53.42 | epsilon | 3200x1200? I get headache if I see small tiny letters in shell |
| 23:53.51 | themill | S4nD3r: is openoffice an option for you for converting to PDF? |
| 23:53.57 | stoned | epsilon: http://youfuck.mypets.ws/screenshots/kde.jpg |
| 23:53.58 | EnterUserName | What monitor can do 3200x12001?!? |
| 23:54.07 | stoned | EnterUserName: ^^ |
| 23:54.16 | pipeline | EnterUserName: Eh, lots of people make multi-panel displays. |
| 23:54.21 | S4nD3r | i know |
| 23:54.35 | S4nD3r | but if I use openoffice, the margins, and fonts will be changed |
| 23:54.51 | stoned | EnterUserName: 2x 19" Flats |
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| 23:54.55 | themill | stoned: what's the kde theme? |
| 23:54.58 | stoned | side by side |
| 23:55.00 | EnterUserName | oh |
| 23:55.05 | EnterUserName | i have 1 19inch crt montior/19 flat |
| 23:55.05 | stoned | themill: I don't remember |
| 23:55.13 | themill | oh well |
| 23:55.14 | stoned | mine are also crt |
| 23:55.20 | stoned | but flatscreen, no panel |
| 23:55.29 | EnterUserName | But i use dual desktops similiar.... cuz of mythtv i have 2 monitors and 1 tv |
| 23:55.38 | silvertip257 | Greyscale__ w00t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dropped the default depth to 16 and voila I've got a 1024 viewing area after restarting the xserver |
| 23:55.39 | stoned | themill: i found it |
| 23:55.42 | EnterUserName | coudln't figure out how to make mythtv just go on my tv with dual display |
| 23:55.49 | stoned | themill: you want to know? |
| 23:55.54 | epsilon | I have 19" CRT and 17" TFT as dual |
| 23:56.00 | stoned | themill: say 'stoned kicks ass' and i'll tell you :) |
| 23:56.06 | epsilon | one to work, one to monitor |
| 23:56.15 | themill | !say stoned kicks ass |
| 23:56.15 | dpkg | stoned kicks ass |
| 23:56.19 | stoned | haha |
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| 23:56.27 | stoned | themill: it is called 'Thin Keramik' |
| 23:56.30 | EnterUserName | !say dpkg kicks stoned ass |
| 23:56.30 | dpkg | dpkg kicks stoned ass |
| 23:56.35 | Greyscale__ | silvertip257, yeah, you've not got enough video RAM for 32 bit colour |
| 23:56.38 | EnterUserName | heh |
| 23:56.41 | themill | ok.. will look into it. it's nice |
| 23:56.41 | stoned | :) |
| 23:56.41 | Greyscale__ | you've got the same problem my x20 has |
| 23:56.51 | jmichaelx | silvertip257: i take it you are using a slightly older PC? |
| 23:56.58 | stoned | themill: I hate the default keramik, its ugly window decorations |
| 23:57.01 | silvertip257 | yes jmichaelx |
| 23:57.03 | stoned | ASSweasel |
| 23:57.04 | stoned | heheh |
| 23:57.12 | stoned | EnterUserName: bye |
| 23:57.19 | silvertip257 | for a digital pic frame jmichaelx / Greyscale__ |
| 23:57.29 | jmichaelx | silvertip257: neat |
| 23:57.30 | themill | stoned: they're alright for a while. I'm using plastik atm |
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| 23:57.44 | silvertip257 | yep if I can get it working jmichaelx |
| 23:57.47 | Apachez | what is the command to bring up apt sources ? |
| 23:57.50 | Greyscale__ | dvs01, if you must know: yes shit |
| 23:57.58 | Apachez | dpkg-reconfigure apt-get will just check the gpg keys |
| 23:58.08 | Greyscale__ | Apachez, to see what you have as sources for apt-get? |
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| 23:58.16 | Greyscale__ | nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:58.18 | Apachez | no |
| 23:58.18 | Greyscale__ | its just a file :P |
| 23:58.23 | Greyscale__ | Oh? |
| 23:58.24 | Apachez | I want to change the sources to ftp.sunet.se |
| 23:58.26 | Greyscale__ | What do you mean? |
| 23:58.31 | Greyscale__ | nano /etc/apt/sources.list] |
| 23:58.32 | Apachez | but Im not sure of the full path to use |
| 23:58.35 | Greyscale__ | change it then :P |
| 23:58.38 | Greyscale__ | Oh. |
| 23:58.39 | Greyscale__ | No idea. |
| 23:58.39 | Apachez | but I saw that during install |
| 23:58.40 | stoned | themill: my current setup is here... I took off one monitor atm. http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/screenshots/pi_to_1_million_digits_on_kubuntu_amd64.jpg |
| 23:58.44 | Greyscale__ | Do a bit of googlin' |
| 23:58.44 | stoned | this is my current kde theme |
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| 23:58.49 | stoned | its beautiful |
| 23:58.51 | Greyscale__ | oh, you must be able to use that form again |
| 23:58.54 | Greyscale__ | its gotta be somewhere |
| 23:58.56 | stoned | yes yes I know I'm running kubuntu, fuck off ;) |
| 23:58.58 | silvertip257 | my biggest problem with DSL is that anything that I configured by hand never seemed to work --- thanks to Debian I will have a working custom system just as small as DSL in less time!!! |
| 23:58.59 | Greyscale__ | I want to know the answer too |
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| 23:59.04 | mesof | does anyone know what may cause images and text on screen to display improperly? |
| 23:59.12 | stoned | themill: nice green apple theme |
| 23:59.29 | themill | definitely too much time on your hands |
| 23:59.54 | stoned | yeh, I got 3 debian boxes in my room |
| 23:59.58 | stoned | 2 laptops |
