| 00:00.00 | stoned | xp and kubuntu |
| 00:00.09 | Greyscale__ | mesof, sneezes congealing on the screen? |
| 00:00.11 | themill | unclean.... |
| 00:00.15 | stoned | I used to have 7 machines |
| 00:00.16 | silvertip257 | mesof: is it your whole screen or just images |
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| 00:00.28 | stoned | back in oklahoma I had a 7 node cluster |
| 00:00.28 | mesof | lol, mainly happens in iceweasel |
| 00:00.30 | stoned | mosix |
| 00:00.35 | mesof | and mainly when i scroll in other apps |
| 00:00.37 | silvertip257 | oh well idk mesof |
| 00:00.42 | silvertip257 | ah |
| 00:00.44 | Greyscale__ | stoned, I know someone from OK |
| 00:00.47 | Apachez | so anyone with a hint at least ? :P |
| 00:00.54 | Greyscale__ | infact, I know 3 people from OK ._. |
| 00:00.58 | stoned | Greyscale__: you want a candy bar? |
| 00:00.59 | mesof | i have a feeling it's some option in xorg, but i don't know which |
| 00:01.02 | stoned | cookie perhaps? |
| 00:01.03 | Greyscale__ | I doooo indeedy |
| 00:01.07 | stoned | oh |
| 00:01.14 | stoned | well I aint got none |
| 00:01.19 | Greyscale__ | ;___; |
| 00:01.23 | stoned | :( |
| 00:01.26 | jmichaelx | silvertip257: in my area there in a company that makes digital picture frames for advertisemants in businesses... and they all run DSL |
| 00:01.27 | Greyscale__ | ;; |
| 00:01.31 | jmichaelx | there is* |
| 00:01.42 | Greyscale__ | jmichaelx, STEAL ME ONE |
| 00:01.44 | silvertip257 | jmichaelx: what's that? |
| 00:01.45 | Greyscale__ | PLEAAAASE |
| 00:01.46 | Greyscale__ | :> |
| 00:01.59 | silvertip257 | jmichaelx: can you help me configure one w/ DSL ? |
| 00:02.01 | mesof | Greyscale__: might you know this option? |
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| 00:02.08 | stoned | instead of paying microsoft lisensing fees, hire me instead for a fraction of the cost to maintain your linux and opensource servers and netwok and business |
| 00:02.09 | Greyscale__ | mesof, no |
| 00:02.11 | jmichaelx | silvertip257: i do not have a link, but the company is called 'redpost' |
| 00:02.13 | silvertip257 | I had a hell of a time w/ configuration stuff |
| 00:02.20 | stoned | but no |
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| 00:02.21 | stoned | poeple are morons |
| 00:02.25 | mesof | stoned would know |
| 00:02.25 | Greyscale__ | could also hire me :> |
| 00:02.28 | mesof | do you stoned? |
| 00:02.29 | Greyscale__ | I'm cheap :> |
| 00:02.32 | stoned | know what? |
| 00:02.36 | jmichaelx | located in goshen, IN |
| 00:02.43 | Greyscale__ | gosh, en? |
| 00:02.50 | stoned | i wasn't following the discussion |
| 00:02.54 | stoned | what are you asking me? |
| 00:02.54 | mesof | why my display is *glitching* as in some things look funny |
| 00:03.05 | stoned | mesof: funny? |
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| 00:03.17 | mesof | texts look like out-of-wack |
| 00:03.26 | silvertip257 | jmichaelx: I'd like one that I can ssh into as well as a few other things ... can ya help me out? |
| 00:03.26 | stoned | take a screenshot and post it somewhere |
| 00:03.30 | stoned | mesof: ^^ |
| 00:03.37 | stoned | !scrot |
| 00:03.38 | jmichaelx | speaking of screens and X and all, i am really impressed with the OS radeon drivers.... had no idea they were as good as they are |
| 00:03.40 | pipeline | stoned: haha, dude, microsoft licensing is cheap as shit. There's NO WAY that you could possibly live on those amounts... $300 a desktop, |
| 00:03.43 | mesof | bah i don't know how to screenshot in fluxbox |
| 00:03.44 | stoned | !info scrot |
| 00:03.46 | Apachez | so noone with a slighest idea of how to change apt source without manually edit the sources.list ? |
| 00:03.48 | dpkg | scrot: (command line screen capture utility), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8-7 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 00:03.48 | pipeline | stoned: $400 for web servers, $1200 for others... |
| 00:03.59 | pipeline | mesof: xwd -window root > /tmp/screenshot.xwd |
| 00:04.01 | Greyscale__ | Apachez, no, sorry :/ |
| 00:04.05 | dondelelcaro | Apachez: apt-setup used to exist to do it, but no one has bothered to package it separately. |
| 00:04.08 | stoned | pipeline: oh really.. I thought it was much |
| 00:04.11 | pipeline | mesof: or maybe it's xwd -root, can't remember. |
| 00:04.14 | stoned | like hundreds of thousands of dollars |
| 00:04.23 | pipeline | stoned: Nah, it's pathetically cheap. It's much, much, much cheaper than, e.g., redhat. |
| 00:04.33 | stoned | wow |
| 00:04.42 | pipeline | stoned: I mean, MS does have some expensive products. MOSS is ridiculous, it runs about 80k per server if you license all the bells and whistles. |
| 00:04.43 | themill | I hate waiting for a remote box to come back up.... |
| 00:04.44 | jmichaelx | silvertip257: unfortunately i can't help you out. i do not know the people. i read about them on slashdot... and now have seen them in a few local businesses |
| 00:04.49 | pipeline | stoned: But the basics, Windows/IIS/SQLS are very, very affordable. |
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| 00:04.56 | stoned | well damn |
| 00:04.59 | silvertip257 | oh ok thanks jmichaelx |
| 00:05.13 | stoned | pipeline: ok, then I guess I'm out of luck on that then. |
| 00:05.18 | jelly-home | pipeline: so, why are we using linux? |
| 00:05.24 | Greyscale__ | pipeline, and then they start pulling it out your ass for everything else |
| 00:05.25 | stoned | this linux guy i know from online, i got him a job where I work, hes good |
| 00:05.32 | stoned | my boss is happy and so am I |
| 00:05.43 | Greyscale__ | stoned, ;; |
| 00:05.46 | Greyscale__ | I need a job |
| 00:05.49 | pipeline | jelly-home: I don't know. Why do you use linux? not really my problem. |
| 00:05.54 | stoned | if you are in new york I can help you out |
| 00:05.55 | Greyscale__ | <-- unemployed, from Oxford, England D: |
| 00:05.55 | stoned | otherwise no |
| 00:05.59 | mesof | i'm having a hard time ATM to get it to happen again, but what is that acceleration option in xorg |
| 00:05.59 | Greyscale__ | fack |
| 00:06.02 | jmichaelx | i just quit my job this morning... kinda stressful |
| 00:06.05 | Greyscale__ | I'd move there though |
| 00:06.08 | mesof | in dpkg i mean, what does it translate to for xorg |
| 00:06.15 | pipeline | Greyscale__: nah, not really. Per-incident support is pretty affordable too. |
| 00:06.25 | stoned | depends on if I need your skills, I could hire you but you are far far away |
| 00:06.26 | stoned | :) |
| 00:06.29 | Greyscale__ | no, they start gounging you |
| 00:06.33 | Greyscale__ | for every damn thing |
| 00:06.40 | Greyscale__ | Sever 2k3? |
| 00:06.41 | Greyscale__ | Which one? |
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| 00:06.50 | Greyscale__ | $32853n^3 please |
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| 00:07.00 | Greyscale__ | chaching $__$ |
| 00:07.05 | stoned | pipeline: dude your nickname is cool as shit |
| 00:07.09 | themill | 142s later and the box is back up again... damn it feels like a lot longer than that! |
| 00:07.13 | stoned | pipeline pipeline pipeline pipeline pipeline |
| 00:07.14 | stoned | :D |
| 00:07.22 | mfrisch | are dual-layered dvd's a different format than udf??? |
| 00:07.35 | mesof | is it possible to cut and paste with xterm |
| 00:07.36 | stoned | when I think of pipeline, the machine city from the matrix pops up in my head |
| 00:07.39 | mesof | idk why i use it |
| 00:07.43 | mesof | can't even click links |
| 00:07.50 | mfrisch | yo stoned! |
| 00:07.58 | mfrisch | in texas? |
| 00:08.05 | themill | mesof: copy paste yes (select to copy, middle mouse to paste) |
| 00:08.14 | stoned | not anymore my man |
| 00:08.20 | stoned | I been in nyc for like 6 months |
| 00:08.34 | themill | 'night all! |
| 00:08.41 | mesof | themill: all i have to do is highlight it, no ctrl+c |
| 00:08.42 | mfrisch | aah cool nyc more your speed ;-0 |
| 00:08.45 | stoned | night |
| 00:08.52 | stoned | mfrisch: indeed |
| 00:08.56 | Greyscale__ | stoned, my skills are enough to get most tasks accomplished |
| 00:09.05 | Greyscale__ | and if I don't know, I ask. |
| 00:09.05 | mfrisch | stoned: are dual layered dvd's udf? |
| 00:09.11 | silvertip257 | jmichaelx: damn those are niiiice ... but I'm not paying 500+ dollars for one w/ lots of gadgets or 350+ for one w/o a few ... waaaay to expensive when I can make it ;) |
| 00:09.12 | stoned | mfrisch: I started smoking pot again :( after I quit for like 5 months straight |
| 00:09.20 | stoned | mfrisch: I'm not sure |
| 00:09.32 | mfrisch | stoned: I quit a couple of months ago two |
| 00:09.35 | mfrisch | too |
| 00:09.46 | stoned | nice |
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| 00:10.01 | mfrisch | stoned: you could have it delivered in NYC |
| 00:10.21 | stoned | :) lets not discuss herbery in #debian |
| 00:10.26 | mesof | okay stoned i can't get it to do it again, but basically some things do not display correctly |
| 00:10.29 | mfrisch | stoned: ups |
| 00:10.33 | stoned | 'nuff said with 'i toke again' |
| 00:10.35 | mfrisch | uhm I mean |
| 00:10.37 | mesof | should i just reconfigure xorg and change anything |
| 00:10.49 | stoned | mfrisch: the bosses are around |
| 00:11.02 | mfrisch | stoned: yup and the company |
| 00:11.05 | stoned | ;) |
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| 00:11.28 | stoned | mesof: while in X |
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| 00:11.45 | mfrisch | hey anyone know what filesystem a dual-layered dvd is !?!?!? |
| 00:11.47 | mesof | stoned: yes, i'm running fluxbox so i believe i'm in x |
| 00:12.00 | stoned | mesof: open console, type apt-get install scrot, then scrot blah.jpg <-- takes screenshot of desktop, and upload it to some photo site |
| 00:12.14 | mesof | stoned: but it doesn't happen all the time |
| 00:12.21 | stoned | need to see what exactly you say is 'funny looking' |
| 00:12.23 | mesof | and i can't get it to happen now for some reason |
| 00:12.25 | mesof | let me keep trying |
| 00:12.41 | stoned | mesof: its not tht I'm not trying to help you, I just don't really understand the exact problem because I don't have all the info |
| 00:12.49 | stoned | are fonts blurry? |
| 00:13.02 | stoned | you get artifacts on desktop? lines? scrambled stuff? |
| 00:13.03 | stoned | what? |
| 00:13.20 | stoned | and also which video card, and which driver are you running? |
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| 00:14.14 | mesof | stoned: imagine a font not displaying properly |
| 00:14.25 | stoned | what do you mean ? |
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| 00:14.27 | mesof | as if a setting is incorrect for the video card |
| 00:14.49 | mesof | like, a p looks out-of-wack |
| 00:14.51 | mesof | not correct |
| 00:14.52 | stoned | you gotta gimme something more than that |
| 00:14.55 | mfrisch | why won't my dual layered dvd MOUNT |
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| 00:14.58 | mesof | unproportional to how it is supposed to look |
| 00:15.07 | mesof | unproportional, that's the word i'm looking for |
| 00:15.17 | mesof | improperly rendered |
| 00:15.37 | pipeline | everything is stretched? :) |
| 00:15.47 | pipeline | you're displaying a 4:3 or 5:4 resolution on something that isn't 4:3 |
| 00:16.09 | stoned | mesof: and make sure you are not using ubuntu ;) |
| 00:16.14 | stoned | j/k |
| 00:16.16 | mesof | pipeline: no, it's just not rendering properly |
| 00:16.23 | pipeline | mfrisch: typically udf |
| 00:16.56 | mesof | it must be that acceleration option |
| 00:17.02 | mfrisch | pipeline: could it need to specified? |
| 00:17.04 | mesof | does anyone know the acceleration option in xorg |
| 00:17.14 | stoned | mesof: can't help you if you don't give us all the details |
| 00:17.17 | mesof | the one with the warning about if it's a problem disable it |
| 00:17.39 | mesof | stoned: quit messing with me, stuff isn't displaying properly |
| 00:17.40 | stoned | mesof: properly/out of whack/not rendered properly, are vague terms. what exactly is going on? |
| 00:17.52 | stoned | ok for example |
| 00:17.56 | stoned | letter 'p' |
| 00:18.00 | stoned | what does it look like? |
| 00:18.05 | mesof | fonts are misshaped according to the way they're supposed to look |
| 00:18.11 | mfrisch | ok I will figure it out BYE ALL |
| 00:18.15 | mesof | it looks warped |
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| 00:18.45 | mesof | pixelated |
| 00:18.45 | stoned | is it fat? stretched? blurry? has holes in it like cheese? jagged edges? |
| 00:18.45 | stoned | ok |
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| 00:18.45 | mesof | stretched and blurry |
| 00:18.45 | stoned | are the fonts huge? |
| 00:18.45 | mesof | no |
| 00:18.45 | stoned | really big? large? |
| 00:18.45 | mesof | no |
| 00:18.46 | stoned | ok regular sized fonts |
| 00:18.47 | mesof | yes |
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| 00:18.59 | mesof | it even happens to like the back button in firefox for example |
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| 00:19.12 | stoned | which video card/driver? |
| 00:19.17 | mesof | nvidia |
| 00:19.21 | mesof | 7600gs |
| 00:19.25 | stoned | which I have |
| 00:19.28 | stoned | ;) |
| 00:19.29 | mesof | nvidia driver |
| 00:19.35 | stoned | ok, which option did you add? |
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| 00:20.09 | mesof | stoned: i didn't add any, but i think it's that acceleration option, and i'd just like to add the line instead of reconfiguring |
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| 00:20.25 | mesof | the one where they say disable this if it's a problem |
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| 00:21.20 | predder | on the recommendation of login.defs I've installed the libpam-umask package so that the umask is set when a new shell is open and not just when a login occurs. The readme says to put the pam module in the appropriate files? Any insight as to what file is used when a new shell is created? |
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| 00:22.07 | stoned | http://http.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8178/README/appendix-d.html |
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| 00:22.38 | stoned | Option "RenderAccel" "boolean" |
| 00:22.43 | frankr | Hey, I'm trying to get dual monitors to work, I put in an older ati radeon 7000, what driver should I specify in my xorg.conf |
| 00:22.46 | frankr | just ati? |
| 00:22.56 | stoned | mesof: is that the option you are talking about |
| 00:23.45 | frankr | 'cause when I di that the monitor showed nothing at all.. xfce seemed to think it was there though, the little pager things were super-wide |
| 00:25.18 | stoned | I use fglrx + Big Desktop |
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| 00:25.21 | wingot | Hey |
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| 00:25.30 | wingot | I've just installed evolution and evolution-exchange |
| 00:25.45 | stoned | 2x device, 2x monitor entries in xorg.conf, and adjust serverlayout accordingly |
| 00:25.59 | wingot | And when I try to setup an exchange mail account, I get stuck at the "select a server type" screen |
| 00:26.00 | stoned | oh, and 2x screen entries as well |
| 00:26.28 | wingot | It lets me select Microsoft Exchange server, and lets me fill in the username and OWA path, but it doesn't ask for a server, or allow me to click the forward button |
| 00:26.30 | frankr | stoned: what's Big Desktop |
| 00:26.45 | stoned | dual head setup |
| 00:26.56 | stoned | just Option "something" "Big" |
| 00:27.06 | stoned | I can't recall, search for fglrx xorg config options |
| 00:27.17 | frankr | ah, I see |
| 00:27.21 | stoned | or maybe in fglrx-control |
| 00:27.26 | stoned | in that package you can |
| 00:27.28 | frankr | I have 2 different video cards so I don't put too much stress on my nice one |
| 00:27.36 | stoned | I've never had much success with ati/radeon drivers and dual heads |
| 00:27.43 | stoned | even nv + dual head is a bitch |
| 00:27.49 | stoned | nvidia +twinview works great |
| 00:28.02 | stoned | though twinview sucks in combining refresh rates |
| 00:28.32 | stoned | I could have 1200x1024 @ 85Hz on both monitors, but with twinview, I get 2400x1024@51 |
| 00:28.56 | stoned | ati's does'nt do that, fglrx and big desktop keep it at 85Hz refresh rate |
| 00:29.09 | frankr | I still don't really get what big desktop is |
| 00:29.19 | stoned | its just called big desktop |
| 00:29.25 | stoned | nvidia calls their dual head 'twinview' |
| 00:29.32 | stoned | ati calls it 'big desktop' |
| 00:29.33 | stoned | afaik |
| 00:29.37 | frankr | ah, I see |
| 00:29.52 | frankr | yeah I think I saw that in the ati control panel that was in my xfce settings menu for some reason |
| 00:30.10 | frankr | didn't use that tho, since I have two cards, both with dual heads but I only wanna use one head each |
| 00:30.32 | stoned | oh for that setup you need to manually edit xorg.conf |
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| 00:30.46 | frankr | yep thats what I did |
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| 00:30.50 | frankr | but nothing shows up on my second monitor |
| 00:30.56 | frankr | the one which is plugged into the older card, radeon 7000 |
| 00:31.12 | stoned | you will create one device entry for each card. you will create 2 monitor entries and use one device per monitor. you will create two screens using one of each card you just configures and you will adjust serverlayout accordingly |
| 00:31.36 | frankr | did all that |
| 00:31.42 | stoned | its something to do with your config I believe, I've never attempted such a setup so I don't know how much help I can be |
| 00:31.48 | linux_jones | what does it mean when i start my computer it says loading grub..... eerror 18 |
| 00:31.57 | frankr | when I type gdm as root I see the second screen flicker like its having a mode change.. but then shows nothing after that |
| 00:32.06 | frankr | then nothing* |
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| 00:32.39 | stoned | linux_jones: how big is your disk?? |
| 00:32.56 | linux_jones | stoned, 80 gig |
| 00:33.22 | stoned | linux_jones: go into bios, and see what the drive is detected as |
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| 00:34.19 | stoned | linux_jones: also it could be a corrupted or improperly generated ramdisk iamge or linux image |
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| 00:34.32 | stoned | 18 : "Invalid or unsupported executable format" |
| 00:34.34 | stoned | This error is returned if the kernel image boing loaded is not recognized as Multiboot or one of the supported native formats (Linux zImage or bzImage, FreeBSD, or NetBSD). |
| 00:34.59 | stoned | however on another site, 18 : Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS This error is returned when a read is attempted at a linear block address beyond the end of the BIOS translated area. This generally happens if your disk is larger than the BIOS can handle (512MB for (E)IDE disks on older machines or larger than 8GB in general). |
| 00:35.26 | stoned | both are from stage2 |
| 00:35.53 | Gnu_Raiz | an developers here tonight. |
| 00:36.01 | stoned | Gnu_Raiz: maybe, what do you need? |
| 00:36.21 | Gnu_Raiz | got a conumdrumened |
| 00:36.28 | stoned | shoot |
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| 00:36.51 | Gnu_Raiz | have an rt73 usb wireless network card. |
| 00:37.24 | Gnu_Raiz | when I manually configure it, it works, such as ifconfig, iwconfig, dhclient works everytime. |
| 00:37.35 | Gnu_Raiz | but if I use ifup it fails. |
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| 00:37.56 | frankr | ah, restarted, it works |
| 00:38.04 | frankr | although is there any way to have 2 pagers in xfce, one for each screen? |
| 00:38.07 | Gnu_Raiz | my /etc/interfaces has the same information same keys. |
| 00:38.36 | stoned | frankr: #xfce |
| 00:38.40 | Gnu_Raiz | so what does interfaces call, |
| 00:39.05 | Gnu_Raiz | that does not work with ifup or ifdown. |
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| 00:39.55 | Gnu_Raiz | also my rt73 is not wpa supplicant compatible. |
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| 00:40.17 | stoned | Gnu_Raiz: I have no idea, hang tight until someone gets to ya :) |
| 00:40.20 | Gnu_Raiz | I am using the card now. |
| 00:40.53 | Gnu_Raiz | some say it might be driver related but dont know. |
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| 00:51.03 | mesof | stoned: sorry, finally saw your reply, but i have no idea which option it would be there |
| 00:51.16 | mesof | i'm going to try a dpkg reconfigure to see if it corrects itself |
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| 00:55.02 | snowbird | well oam here |
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| 00:55.49 | Haris | Hello folks |
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| 00:56.24 | mesof | stoned did you get all of that |
| 00:56.55 | mesof | !xorg |
| 00:56.55 | dpkg | xorg is probably X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.2. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg (freenode) |
| 00:57.01 | mesof | !dpkg |
| 00:57.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto> |
| 00:57.05 | Gnu_Raiz | wheres the local so called expert, abortman, or guerin. |
| 00:57.12 | mesof | !xserver-xorg |
| 00:57.12 | dpkg | somebody said xserver-xorg was On the subject of xserver-xfree86 vs xserver-xorg, gravity says: If you have the option of -xorg, you should choose that |
| 00:57.17 | snowbird | all thosue x updates scared me |
| 00:57.24 | mesof | what is the reconfigure xorg command |
| 00:57.30 | stoned | !drxx |
| 00:57.30 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 00:57.56 | snowbird | stoned i need some help to tackle samba some day |
| 00:58.07 | stoned | some day? |
| 00:58.12 | stoned | :) sure |
| 00:58.13 | snowbird | i think some one here could tackle it |
| 00:58.23 | snowbird | im tied up tonight |
| 00:58.36 | snowbird | got new black thing called dlink |
| 00:58.40 | gravity | heh |
| 00:58.50 | gravity | I didn't know I was in that factoid |
| 00:58.52 | snowbird | and big old scanner and more beans than u want to be near |
| 00:58.54 | Haris | I'm trying to install debian 4 on vmware 4.0.5 without any luck. The cdrom is vm is pointing at debian 4 dvd1, which is the only file I have for install. It doesn't ask for dvd2 or 3 though. The problem is, the install stops at random places during 'select and install software' part of the setup. This is the 2nd time this has happened. This is starting to bug me. Is there a reason for it? Why wouldn't the install complete? |
| 00:59.08 | stoned | gravity: well you are the man so sure, why not? |
| 00:59.10 | stoned | :) |
| 00:59.16 | stoned | or woman? |
| 00:59.23 | gravity | stoned: Not much lately. jcristau and bgoglin have been doing the heavy lifting. |
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| 00:59.28 | gravity | I'm just hacking in the background. |
| 00:59.31 | gravity | No, not the woman. /whois |
| 00:59.40 | stoned | hehe ok |
| 00:59.45 | mesof2 | okay i disabled the acceleration rendering |
| 00:59.47 | stoned | I don't even /whois anyone ever |
| 00:59.52 | mesof2 | stoned hopefully this fixes it |
| 00:59.54 | stoned | mesof: reload x |
| 00:59.57 | snowbird | stoned hope u can steer me close on samba |
| 00:59.57 | mesof2 | i did |
| 01:00.04 | snowbird | i realy cant see to good now |
| 01:00.12 | stoned | snowbird: i'll see what i can do |
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| 01:00.39 | snowbird | thanks |
| 01:00.53 | snowbird | let me grab lamp cord |
| 01:01.11 | mesof2 | stoned: do you run flux? |
| 01:01.14 | predder | Haris, I had a similar issue trying to install debian 4.0 on my ibook, check tty4 (iirc) for debug during the install process |
| 01:01.20 | stoned | mesof2: no |
| 01:01.35 | mesof2 | what do you run |
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| 01:01.44 | stoned | KDE |
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| 01:02.08 | mesof2 | oh |
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| 01:02.22 | mesof2 | than what browser do you use? |
| 01:02.29 | stoned | 32bit firefox |
| 01:02.38 | snowbird | wow stoned can i pm u |
| 01:02.42 | mesof2 | stoned: do you know how to remove the extra processes not being used in `top |
| 01:02.46 | stoned | konqueror for non-flash/java stuff |
| 01:02.56 | stoned | mesof2: extra? |
| 01:03.02 | cafuego | mesof2: You almost certainly don't want to do that. |
| 01:03.10 | mesof2 | cafuego: why |
| 01:03.11 | cafuego | mesof2: Can you give us an example of such a process? |
| 01:03.12 | stoned | if its a service you dont want, disable it, don't kill processes |
| 01:03.14 | mfrisch | ok how the hell do I burn a mountable dual-layered dvd!?!?! I have wasted two dvd'd ;-( |
| 01:03.31 | stoned | snowbird: sure I supose |
| 01:03.36 | mesof2 | khubd |
| 01:03.41 | stoned | snowbird: however I will not provide debian support via pm |
| 01:03.43 | cafuego | mesof2: That's a kernel thread. |
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| 01:03.53 | mesof2 | oh i thought it was a kde thing |
| 01:03.59 | cafuego | mesof2: You can kill that by not running Linux :-) |
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| 01:04.12 | stoned | lol |
| 01:04.16 | mesof2 | hehe, thanks for the info |
| 01:04.25 | mfrisch | HELP! |
| 01:04.33 | mesof2 | hey can i paste differently with xterm other than middle click of mouse |
| 01:04.39 | stoned | I dunno |
| 01:04.40 | mesof2 | like can i use ctrl+v |
| 01:04.43 | cafuego | mesof2: There may be a way of not listing the kernel threads in top, but I don't know what that way would be. |
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| 01:04.55 | mesof2 | cafuego: i simply thoguht it was a kde app |
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| 01:05.07 | mesof2 | cafuego: i dont care now that i know it's a kernel thread |
| 01:05.14 | mesof2 | because now i konw that i need it |
| 01:05.19 | mesof2 | man my typing is getting worse |
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| 01:05.30 | cafuego | mesof2: *nod* There's probably 20 or 30 kernel things listed there |
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| 01:05.37 | mesof2 | cafuego: there is |
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| 01:06.02 | puff | Evening, I'm upgrading from php4 to php5, and likewise from mysql 4 to mysql 5. I don't have any major apps that actually use these, but I'm wondering how much collateral damage I can expect to see from dependencies. |
| 01:06.23 | cafuego | puff: probably none |
| 01:06.32 | cafuego | puff: *probbaly* not certainly |
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| 01:08.47 | snowbird | stoned looks nice one eh |
| 01:09.01 | stoned | what looks nice? |
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| 01:09.10 | snowbird | ck pm |
| 01:09.20 | stoned | you never pm me? |
| 01:09.23 | stoned | i don't see nothing |
| 01:09.28 | snowbird | hmm |
| 01:09.40 | stoned | you probably need to identify :) |
| 01:09.55 | snowbird | i did |
| 01:10.26 | puff | cafuego: Okay, but man it's taking a while, and driving my load average through the roof. |
| 01:10.39 | puff | I'm probably way overdue for a dist-upgrade. How safe is that? |
| 01:12.19 | stoned | which router is it? |
| 01:12.26 | stoned | I only buy linksys wrt |
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| 01:12.45 | stoned | oh |
| 01:13.01 | stoned | oops, that was supposed to be private messages ahaha |
| 01:13.01 | krazykit | the wrt's aren't all that good now that buffalo makes a cheaper router with the same specs as the gl ;-) |
| 01:13.17 | stoned | they do? |
| 01:13.19 | stoned | which one? |
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| 01:14.58 | snowbird | had wrt 54sp and it was let me say trash can started to smoke |
| 01:15.03 | snowbird | 1 month old |
| 01:15.08 | stoned | I like em |
| 01:15.14 | stoned | I've never had a problem with any of them |
| 01:15.21 | stoned | I have a v2.2 and v6 |
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| 01:15.29 | stoned | v6 took some work to get ddwrt on it |
| 01:15.34 | snowbird | stoned u change firmware there aok |
| 01:15.44 | stoned | yes i changed the firmware |
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| 01:15.54 | snowbird | thats the difference |
| 01:16.02 | mesof2 | man i am zoning today |
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| 01:16.14 | stoned | man I'm out in space right now man |
| 01:16.14 | mesof2 | so is there a way to change the paste behavior of xterm |
| 01:16.15 | stoned | :) |
| 01:16.17 | mesof2 | the bind i mean |
| 01:16.27 | stoned | mesof2: what? |
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| 01:16.37 | mesof2 | like change middle click paste to ctrl v |
| 01:16.38 | snowbird | stoned u know what iam after |
| 01:16.51 | stoned | mesof2: those are two diff buffers i think |
| 01:16.53 | snowbird | there is bin on cd i hope its not bin driver |
| 01:17.07 | mesof2 | stoned: but the keybinds aren't editable |
| 01:17.09 | stoned | snowbird: I have no idea what you are talking about |
| 01:17.19 | stoned | mesof2: I don't know |
| 01:17.20 | mesof2 | oh because of nano |
| 01:17.27 | snowbird | seting up router and set up samba |
| 01:17.48 | stoned | snowbird: later perhaps |
| 01:18.01 | stoned | it could take a while and I don't have the time right now |
| 01:18.01 | snowbird | another day perhaps |
| 01:18.17 | snowbird | samba when u say ill start then |
| 01:18.18 | stoned | or try #samba |
| 01:18.25 | snowbird | router i maybe do on own |
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| 01:18.32 | snowbird | #samba to advanced |
| 01:19.06 | snowbird | there might be dumb easy net tool on debain |
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| 01:19.47 | stoned | its very easy. apt-get install samba smbclient. sudo nano /etc/samba/smb.conf (here you modify your workgroup/domain info, around the end of file you configure/uncommetn some shares, in the beginning or somethin gof the file you set the security level) and afaik it should work right out without having to configure but it is good to make sure |
| 01:20.05 | stoned | then you simply smbpasswd -a username |
| 01:20.20 | snowbird | yeah il try that |
| 01:20.33 | stoned | and then you do as user, smbclient -L localhost and if you get a prompt you are set |
| 01:20.46 | stoned | if not, then it will give you the error |
| 01:21.26 | snowbird | yeah |
| 01:21.58 | snowbird | loks good backs seizeing up aint going to be good night |
| 01:22.22 | stoned | you get any pain medication for that?} |
| 01:22.36 | snowbird | sometimes |
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| 01:23.04 | stoned | I used to take 80-160mg oxycontin a day for a few years |
| 01:23.05 | snowbird | when it takes 1/1/2 hour to get out of tub it aint good |
| 01:23.13 | stoned | I was totally zombified all the time |
| 01:23.24 | stoned | then I said fuck it, I will deal with the pain |
| 01:23.29 | snowbird | lol |
| 01:23.51 | stoned | now I just smoke pot and relax and I am still in pain, but at least I can function |
| 01:23.55 | snowbird | yeah u can manage better not overdoing it |
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| 01:24.11 | stoned | no I was prescribed 160mg a day |
| 01:24.18 | stoned | 80 in morning, 80 in evening |
| 01:24.26 | snowbird | must beee bad |
| 01:24.29 | mfrisch | how do I burn a mountable dual dvd?!?!? |
| 01:24.36 | stoned | snowbird: I couldn't walk until I was 4 |
| 01:24.37 | snowbird | k3b |
| 01:24.42 | snowbird | wow |
| 01:24.48 | stoned | snowbird: I've got severe leg pains and cramps to this day all the time |
| 01:25.01 | stoned | people said i could never walk but i showed em |
| 01:25.12 | stoned | I even skateboarded since I was 12 |
| 01:25.24 | snowbird | i hurt mine at collage told to lift trailer hitch i was newbie triner hid jack |
| 01:25.31 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.37 | snowbird | thats when it started |
| 01:25.44 | stoned | at one time it was bad for a few months |
| 01:25.51 | snowbird | dam |
| 01:25.55 | snowbird | u worse than me |
| 01:26.04 | stoned | life goes on |
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| 01:27.39 | stoned | now my legs cramp up and hurt a lot when I just sit still or lay down or sleep/wake up |
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| 01:27.55 | stoned | if i am constantly shaking my leg or moving it around it doesn't hurt |
| 01:28.04 | stoned | soon as I rest it, pains come back |
| 01:28.21 | stoned | its fibromyalgia or whatever they said |
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| 01:31.43 | snowbird | wow |
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| 01:37.04 | stoned | im eating dinner |
| 01:37.10 | snowbird | good |
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| 01:42.38 | guiss | Hi, I am using Debian Stable and I am trying to make libapachde2-mod-ldap-userdir work. I have configured as it says in the documentation but it doesn't even show the connection attempt in the LDAP syslog file |
| 01:43.11 | guiss | any tip? |
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| 01:44.47 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 01:45.52 | Ronin | hmm along with GhostlyDeath hour? |
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| 01:46.55 | GhostlyDeath | hmm so /amsg and /ame in XChat-GNOME do it in all networks........ |
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| 01:49.52 | cafuego | guiss: restart apache2 |
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| 01:50.28 | guiss | cafuego, I did that and nothing. Changed apache loglevel to debug and can't see anything important about the module |
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| 01:50.41 | guiss | cafuego, btw, I have run a2enmod ldap_userdir |
| 01:50.52 | alanhaggai | How can I change the grub splash image under Debian? |
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| 01:51.12 | cafuego | does it show as loaded in the server-info handler? |
| 01:51.34 | guiss | do you mean at the bottom of the pages? yes, it shows |
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| 01:53.51 | guiss | cafuego, the thing that seems strange to me is that when I start apache I don't get any query to the slapd daemon |
| 01:54.04 | guiss | but as this is the first time I try this, don't know if that's right or wrong |
| 01:54.55 | cafuego | guiss: I've never used it, so i don't know what it's supposed to do. I wouldguess it only tried to connect to slapd when an appropriate request is received (ie: for /~user) |
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| 01:58.54 | snowbird | well this room rocks |
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| 01:59.01 | snowbird | tought me lot to help |
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| 02:00.48 | Azar | happy Birthday, Debian!! |
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| 02:01.22 | guiss | cafuego, thanks anyway. it seems i am almost there but don't know what could i be missing |
| 02:01.50 | Azar | http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.development/msg/a32d4e2ef3bcdcc6?output=gplain |
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| 02:06.45 | liable | another year closer to senilty :) |
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| 02:07.03 | Azar | stoned: homie how you doin? |
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| 02:07.54 | snowbird | liable i need oops |
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| 02:08.25 | snowbird | samba |
| 02:08.34 | snowbird | sorry mind is gone |
| 02:08.40 | snowbird | south tonight |
| 02:09.05 | liable | i know fuck all about samba, havent played with it in a couple of years |
| 02:09.11 | snowbird | some file transfer thing |
| 02:09.24 | snowbird | dam ok what is now thing to use |
| 02:09.30 | snowbird | fuck samba use? |
| 02:09.55 | snowbird | back to good old days was samba now we use |
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| 02:11.12 | dondelelcaro | NotLim: the latest testing kernel is 2.6.22 iirc, which has CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y |
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| 02:12.02 | chris77 | Happy Birthday Debian. |
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| 02:15.47 | snowbird | ask ?? and liable ran and hid under bed |
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| 02:17.52 | qiyong | How many programmers does it take to change a light bulb? |
| 02:18.11 | dondelelcaro | qiyong: none. That's a hardware problem. |
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| 02:18.33 | qiyong | dondelelcaro correct ! |
| 02:19.11 | qiyong | dondelelcaro, but how did you know? |
| 02:19.51 | dondelelcaro | long experience |
| 02:20.18 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Quit bragging. |
| 02:20.33 | karsten | qiyong: How many mice does it take to screw in a light bulb? |
| 02:20.51 | qiyong | karsten, two |
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| 02:21.00 | karsten | qiyong: Same as anywhere else. |
| 02:21.10 | qiyong | karsten, one holds the base, one turns the bulb. |
| 02:21.30 | karsten | No, no, no. |
| 02:21.35 | karsten | It also takes two elephants. |
| 02:21.40 | karsten | ... and a very large light bulb. |
| 02:21.55 | dondelelcaro | karsten: heh. If you've worked where you've got hardware engineers and software engineers, you tend to figure these things out |
| 02:21.55 | zu22 | hi, i'm doing a routine weekly upgrade and getting an error on the update (i run testing): Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch, i've re-run 'apt-get update' several times but the error persists, any ideas? |
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| 02:22.43 | karsten | zu22: Sounds like an out-of-sync server or one getting updated currently. |
| 02:22.54 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Got blamed for everything, didn't you. |
| 02:23.14 | karsten | zu22: Either way, wait 30-60 minutes and give it another shot. |
| 02:23.15 | zu22 | karsten: i tried this 3 hours ago and just tried again now but same problem, are their mirrors for the security servers? |
| 02:23.20 | zu22 | karsten: yeah |
| 02:23.25 | karsten | zu22: Hrm. |
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| 02:23.54 | zu22 | karsten: and i've been running testing for several years and never saw this error before :) |
| 02:23.54 | karsten | zu22: You should also be using aptitude rather than apt-get, not that that matters specifically in this case. |
| 02:24.14 | karsten | zu22: You're not running an apt-cache proxy, are you? |
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| 02:24.22 | zu22 | karsten: nope no proxy |
| 02:24.24 | dondelelcaro | karsten: it was always a race between my bugs, bugs in the hardware that we made, and bugs in the hardware that other people made. |
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| 02:24.49 | dondelelcaro | karsten: in a few notable cases it was actually other people's crappy hardware which had to be worked around. ;-) |
| 02:24.59 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Yeah. My last QA gig I was getting told not to file so many bugs. I took that as a broad hint to go elsewhere. |
| 02:25.51 | karsten | Y'know, what Linux needs to succeed is laudable device drivers. |
| 02:26.06 | karsten | https://ols2006.108.redhat.com/2007/Reprints/lameter-Reprint.pdf |
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| 02:26.40 | karsten | zu22: You could ask dondelelcaro, but he'll just tell you it's a hardware problem. |
| 02:26.56 | karsten | zu22: Might also try clearing out your package list files and re-downlaoding them anew. |
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| 02:27.26 | karsten | zu22: Every once in a while I seem to get something polluted in there, deleting and re-fetching seems to work. |
| 02:27.26 | zu22 | karsten: we need more open drivers yeah, but i fear many manufacturers view opening up hardware as some intrinic loss on their part, loss of competitiveness, loss of exclusive lucrative relationship with M$ (look how GPU stuff on intel can run faster in Windoze), but i think if they open up this will attract MORE users , especially as linux grows |
| 02:27.43 | zu22 | karsten: heh, ok yeah maybe some file got corrupted |
| 02:27.53 | karsten | zu22: That was actually my remarking on a misread of "loadable" as "laudable". |
| 02:28.03 | zu22 | karsten: :) |
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| 02:28.13 | karsten | zu22: Though laudable drivers *does* seem like a good goal ;-) |
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| 02:28.30 | zu22 | karsten: indeed! |
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| 02:29.31 | Azar | hey, liable :) good evening honorables |
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| 02:30.29 | zu22 | karsten: oh i just re-ran and now i get a *new* error goodie, the first error went away: W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org testing/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org>, will run the update yet again now |
| 02:30.53 | zu22 | karsten: stuff like SNMP? i am trying to learn that myself |
| 02:31.08 | ypsami | So the package for nginx (a web server) is not configured to use ssl (which I need). Is there a way to configure the package as it's being installed, and if not, since it's already binary, how can I install from source nginx, while keeping track of where the files all go, for easy uninstall to replace with the package version once it's useful? |
| 02:31.22 | zu22 | kartsne: i run testing (lenny) so why is it referencing etch? hmm |
| 02:31.29 | karsten | zu22: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring; aptitude update |
| 02:31.36 | zu22 | karsten: ok |
| 02:31.48 | karsten | zu22: Stuff beyond the old "top, ps, vmstat, iostat" drill. |
| 02:33.13 | zu22 | karsten: yeah i mentioned this on my wplug list recently and some engineers told me don't expect much if you are working with PC hardware, they said you cannot reliably track disk I/O , i have some posts i can forward you if that helps |
| 02:33.53 | zu22 | karsten: there is some sort of polling hardware to directly connect to PCI/PCI-e but it is expensive and i don't know much about it |
| 02:34.12 | karsten | zu22: I'm also working on a scale of 1k - 10k+ systems. So individually monitoring a specific box is a bity cumbersome. |
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| 02:34.43 | zu22 | karsten: yeah that is a big scale |
| 02:35.03 | karsten | zu22: Middlin' high, really. |
| 02:35.11 | karsten | abrotman: balls, not boxen. |
| 02:35.13 | zu22 | karsten: ah |
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| 02:35.37 | zu22 | speaking of balls that new movie "Balls of Fury" about table tennis/ping pong looks funny :P |
| 02:35.44 | abrotman | karsten: and a limp ? |
| 02:35.56 | zu22 | karsten has a dead parrott on his shoulder :P |
| 02:36.02 | Azar | good evening honorable abrotman |
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| 02:36.08 | abrotman | hi Azar |
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| 02:36.54 | Azar | ouch our friends servers highjacked, used to attack other innocents... |
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| 02:37.02 | karsten | abrotman: Sometimes bent, never limp. |
| 02:37.15 | abrotman | ouch |
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| 02:37.44 | p_masho | hot do I get a list of the installed packages ? |
| 02:37.54 | abrotman | !installed |
| 02:37.54 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 02:37.57 | karsten | p_masho: man dpkg |
| 02:38.20 | karsten | Azar: What surgery? |
| 02:38.34 | abrotman | foot surgery |
| 02:38.37 | Azar | karsten: both feet, realigning the bones with toes |
| 02:38.49 | p_masho | whaw dpkg is not installed , using apt-get etc... |
| 02:38.55 | abrotman | Azar: should have had them implant skates |
| 02:38.58 | Azar | been two months now... I don't see much improvement |
| 02:39.01 | karsten | p_masho: Um, what OS are you running? What distro? |
| 02:39.07 | Azar | hehehe abrotman |
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| 02:39.30 | Azar | wheel skating is fun |
| 02:39.39 | p_masho | it was a debian 3.1 miniminal install online root server which I updated remotely to 4.0 .. and installed apache et all... |
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| 02:40.05 | karsten | p_masho: dpkg is a required package. |
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| 02:40.08 | zu22 | Azar: a game server of one of my friends has been getting attacked by hundreds of unique ips per day for past weeks :( they all all over world: guam, china, korea, india, brazil, russia, africa, europe, the server is US based, he has taken several counter measures but the attacks continue, he said trying to contact the offending ip block owners has not even resulted in a single email reply back! sigh, i guess unless big money is involved you are screwed if s |
| 02:40.12 | zu22 | to unleash a botnot on you! |
| 02:40.20 | zu22 | j #netrek |
| 02:40.30 | dondelelcaro | zu22: your upstream ISP should be dealing with that |
| 02:40.33 | karsten | p_masho: If you can't find /usr/bin/dpkg something's very wrong with your system. |
| 02:40.37 | Azar | zu22: I was talking about our "next door" ubuntu friends |
| 02:40.41 | Guerin | zu22: you seem shocked by this. Why is that so? |
| 02:40.47 | dondelelcaro | zu22: generally you just jump IPS and go from there |
| 02:40.53 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: he contacted them and they said they can't do much about it |
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| 02:41.02 | Azar | mister Guerinnn, dondelecaro, what a treat! |
| 02:41.09 | abrotman | zu22: bad ISP |
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| 02:41.29 | zu22 | abrotman: yeah, he is so frustrated and doesn't know how to- stop the attacker(s) :( |
| 02:41.31 | Azar | http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp |
| 02:41.46 | dondelelcaro | zu22: well, they can, actually. They should just be null routing the attackers at the border |
| 02:42.00 | abrotman | zu22: send them hugs! |
| 02:42.13 | dondelelcaro | zu22: I mean, it's a waste of the ISPs resources to be receiving that kind of traffic |
| 02:42.34 | zu22 | Guerin: well i guess a little shocked but also not, i've just never seen a sustained attack of this scale before |
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| 02:42.48 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: i'll tell him to find a new ISP |
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| 02:43.31 | snowbird | how do i tell debain to find scanner |
| 02:44.26 | karsten | !scanner |
| 02:44.26 | dpkg | well, scanner is a device used to copy an image from a physical source (e.g., photograph) into a computer. Also, ask me about sane, or see http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html for supported devices. |
| 02:44.28 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: i don't know what his ISP is doing, he has been router blocking the individual ips, then he had to escalate to blocking entire subnets and now he is thinking of blocking entire domains |
| 02:44.59 | snowbird | is supororted |
| 02:45.29 | abrotman | zu22: some ISPs won't do anything |
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| 02:46.18 | zu22 | abrotman: ah, and i heard FBI won't get involved unless there is at least $60,000 USD in provable damages or something. |
| 02:46.48 | abrotman | zu22: i didn't think it was that much .. of course "provable damages" is hard to quantify |
| 02:46.50 | snowbird | is not picking it up |
| 02:48.33 | zu22 | karsten: i heard there are hardware PCI-X or PCIe taps you can buy and add in some custom hacked SNMP stuff and load testing to do the monitoring/performance metrics |
| 02:48.39 | zu22 | abrotman: yeah |
| 02:49.07 | karsten | zu22: That's sort of another matter. |
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| 02:50.02 | Texou | hi |
| 02:50.44 | snowbird | how i mount debian device |
| 02:50.51 | snowbird | mount the scanner |
| 02:51.07 | snowbird | its in device manajour |
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| 02:53.55 | Texou | on a Etch my audio card doesn't work. Driver is hda-intel, but even when I load kernel, I install alsa-base and alsa-utils, alsaconf says at the end: "cannot find the slot for index 0 (range 0-1). hda-intel: Error creating card! HDA Intel: probe of 0000:00:1b.0 failed with error -12". But sometimes the card work, but nearly never. Sometimes /dev/audio and dsp appear but without sound. Could you help me ple |
| 02:53.55 | Texou | ase? (kernel 2.6.18-4-686) |
| 02:53.57 | ArtVandalae | Hi, I have a Debian Etch machine I originally set up with a static IP, set a gateway, set DNS nameservers, etc. Now I moved to a DHCP network. How can I tell the machine (from command line) to DHCP instead of using the static IP settings? |
| 02:54.30 | abrotman | !interfaces |
| 02:54.31 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
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| 02:55.39 | Texou | a bug in alsa package? |
| 02:55.48 | Texou | or alsa support on kernel ? |
| 02:57.42 | \amethyst | Ariel_Calzada: in particular you want inet dhcp instead of inet static address ... netmask ... etc |
| 02:57.46 | \amethyst | err |
| 02:57.55 | \amethyst | ArtVandalae: in particular you want inet dhcp instead of inet static address ... netmask ... etc |
| 02:58.49 | Ariel_Calzada | \amethyst: ?? |
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| 02:58.58 | abrotman | misfire |
| 02:59.15 | \amethyst | Ariel_Calzada: tab completion went wrong :) |
| 03:00.16 | Ariel_Calzada | \amethyst: ;-) |
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| 03:02.54 | snowbird | any ideas? |
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| 03:03.31 | K`zan | Anone know what this is about, dmesg is FULL of the same message: VFS: busy inodes on changed media. |
| 03:03.38 | liable | hcy: can you paste the relevent part of the kpkg output |
| 03:04.43 | snowbird | liable scanned in sane cant find it |
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| 03:05.21 | Azar | hehe I am not alone in this world: someone else loves aptitude: http://www.pthree.org/2007/08/12/aptitude-vs-apt-get/ |
| 03:06.25 | Azar | abrotman, it is rather quiet in here lately: must I assume the entire world got Debian by now? |
| 03:06.32 | zu22 | karsten: yeah |
| 03:06.46 | zu22 | Azar: i like apt-get |
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| 03:07.18 | Azar | zu22: yes, many like apt-get ... |
| 03:07.37 | dondelelcaro | you can pretty much just alias apt-get=aptitude; for most operations, though. |
| 03:07.50 | zu22 | we seem to get less Eww Bun Too users these days |
| 03:07.50 | liable | snowbird: you prolly need a sane driver for it |
| 03:07.53 | Azar | dondelelcaro: nice idea :) |
| 03:07.59 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: ah |
| 03:08.44 | snowbird | liable scanjet 4100 |
| 03:08.50 | snowbird | were i get driver |
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| 03:09.00 | liable | snowbird: so go to the sane homepage and search |
| 03:09.13 | snowbird | ok |
| 03:09.29 | Azar | huh Debian Etch updated and no .rcx added on it? |
| 03:09.45 | dondelelcaro | Azar: it's 4.0r1 |
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| 03:10.16 | Azar | ah I just see it now on the url line: http://times.debian.net/1161-etch-r1 |
| 03:10.20 | dondelelcaro | (we don't really do release candidates) |
| 03:10.49 | Azar | :) is this new? because there were rc-s on the older versions |
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| 03:12.10 | snowbird | liable il figure it out |
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| 03:13.30 | WALoeIII | I'm running testing with ftp://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main as my apt source, what should my security source be? Right now its set to http://security.debian.org testing/updates |
| 03:13.38 | WALoeIII | will that get me the backported stuff? |
| 03:13.43 | snowbird | going to try another pc |
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| 03:16.30 | mac2612 | hi, I'm having a wierd problem with etch......I have a tulip-based card, and the driver loads fine, but in ifconfig it just isn't there..... |
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| 03:17.07 | liable | mac2612: see what dmesg has to say |
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| 03:17.43 | SchemerNate | How do I fix "Warning: Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing." When I don't seem to have a start-stop-daemon.REAL? |
| 03:18.24 | Azar | hey have a smile : http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/The-Internet-is-ing-Busy.aspx |
| 03:18.40 | mac2612 | liable: dmesg | grep tulip shows the driver being loaded correctly, dmesg | grep eth0 shows eth0: Digital DS21140 etc... |
| 03:19.03 | liable | mac2612: ifconfig -a ?? |
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| 03:19.52 | mac2612 | liable: gosh I'm such an idiot :-). For some reason it stuck it in eth2.... thanks for the help |
| 03:20.00 | liable | np |
| 03:20.07 | liable | blame udev |
| 03:20.39 | liable | if its your only ethernet card, remove the net rules file to reset it |
| 03:22.08 | mac2612 | ok |
| 03:22.10 | mac2612 | stupid udev |
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| 03:24.18 | zu22 | Azar: i won't read it just because it's an ASP page :P |
| 03:24.25 | fholmes | I installed apache2-prefork-dev and I don't have apsx2 for some reason. Am I missing something? |
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| 03:24.59 | snowbird | i wounder if i an apt get driver works on this distro |
| 03:25.08 | snowbird | to tired tonight |
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| 03:28.28 | wingot | Hey |
| 03:28.38 | wingot | How would I remove a package, INCLUDING dependencies? |
| 03:28.45 | Azar | zu22: haha what? |
| 03:28.48 | wingot | apt-get remove only seems to do the package itself |
| 03:28.53 | Guerin | wingot: did you install it using aptitude? |
| 03:28.59 | Guerin | (and if not, why not) |
| 03:29.04 | wingot | I used apt-get |
| 03:29.09 | Azar | zu22: what you got against asp pages? |
| 03:29.10 | wingot | apt-get install blah |
| 03:29.14 | Guerin | wingot: then you have to remove each dep manually |
| 03:29.27 | SchemerNate | Seems an apt-get install --reinstall dpkg fixed it... |
| 03:29.31 | Guerin | wingot: stop using apt-get, use aptitude, and this will happen automatically in future |
| 03:29.36 | stoned | yes yes |
| 03:29.39 | Azar | zu22, wingot that article explained all in depth |
| 03:29.41 | stoned | no mroe kubuntu live cd |
| 03:29.43 | wingot | Guerin: Isn't aptitude the gui? |
| 03:29.48 | Azar | mister stoned! |
| 03:29.49 | Guerin | wingot: no. |
| 03:29.56 | stoned | backups are done and I'm now on etch |
| 03:29.59 | stoned | yippee |
| 03:30.03 | stoned | hey Azar |
| 03:30.07 | zu22 | Azar: i'm just crazy like that :P |
| 03:30.23 | wingot | aptitude is a gui, and it's the clunky one :P. /me just tried |
| 03:30.28 | Azar | zu22: too bad for you, you could have earned a bit more knowledge reading that page |
| 03:30.29 | wingot | Thanks anyway |
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| 03:30.46 | Azar | someone add it to famous quotes there please |
| 03:30.55 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:31.31 | Azar | stoned: so you say you just moved to Etch? |
| 03:32.08 | snowbird | i had etch |
| 03:32.30 | snowbird | sarge etch same thing |
| 03:32.30 | Azar | snowbird: so... what happened? you lost it? |
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| 03:32.49 | snowbird | i just got it |
| 03:32.58 | snowbird | new hardware |
| 03:33.35 | snowbird | might be driver? |
| 03:33.53 | Azar | uh |
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| 03:34.01 | snowbird | dont know |
| 03:34.32 | Rusty1 | so the equivalent , in aptitude, of apt-get -t unstable install <packagename> would be ? |
| 03:35.33 | snowbird | scanner came from value village |
| 03:35.50 | snowbird | 1995 hp4100 |
| 03:36.20 | Azar | Rusty1: you read that article? |
| 03:36.31 | snowbird | so tired i not here |
| 03:37.05 | Azar | Rusty1: if you want to know all about aptitude's features read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README ... lots and lots of good stuff |
| 03:37.46 | snowbird | of to bed scanner works next is crawl out o bed 4 or 5 am go over to router pick it up install and poof |
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| 03:38.25 | phrost6 | does using LVM mandate lilo? does grub do LVM at all? |
| 03:38.38 | phrost6 | etch installer forced lilo, so i'm assuming you can't use grub.. which is gonna be a large problem for xen |
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| 03:39.22 | vargran | hi everyone! |
| 03:39.49 | fholmes | Do I need to add any additional repositories to install java? |
| 03:39.55 | vargran | people, does debian net-install has rp-pppoe package? |
| 03:40.02 | vargran | I got pppoe connection |
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| 03:40.52 | vargran | fholmes, try to find it in those you already have |
| 03:41.04 | vargran | vargran, I saw java in default repo |
| 03:41.28 | vargran | *vargran->fholmes |
| 03:41.44 | fholmes | :-) Thanks vargran |
| 03:42.17 | fholmes | stable main is the set I am using aparently |
| 03:42.17 | vargran | fholmes, apt-get update;apt-cache search java |
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| 03:42.35 | vargran | cat /etc/debian_release if I don't mind |
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| 03:43.02 | fholmes | It's not there for some reason |
| 03:43.04 | vargran | /etc/debian_version |
| 03:43.21 | fholmes | 3.1 |
| 03:43.41 | vargran | you're on sarge and it's old |
| 03:44.03 | vargran | try to make total upgrade: apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:44.31 | Wyzard | aptitude is what's recommended for upgrades, not apt-get |
| 03:44.34 | fholmes | This is a dedicated server, I don't know if they have a custom kernel in here or not. |
| 03:44.37 | Wyzard | Read the release notes before upgrading |
| 03:44.37 | vargran | it gets lots of packages (so lots of traffic) and not always finishes successfully |
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| 03:44.47 | vargran | Wyzard, just used to it |
| 03:44.48 | vargran | :) |
| 03:45.12 | vargran | Wyzard, is there any list of advantages in upgrading with aptitude? |
| 03:45.29 | Guerin | they call it `the release notes' |
| 03:45.39 | vargran | Guerin, it's huge :( |
| 03:45.40 | Wyzard | vargran: better dependency resolution, that (presumably) correctly handles some upgrade situations that apt-get doesn't |
| 03:45.54 | Guerin | vargran: you don't have to read ALL of it |
| 03:46.32 | vargran | Guerin, I'm lazy, I thought someone already made quote from that with aptitude advantages :) |
| 03:46.35 | Wyzard | fholmes: uname -r |
| 03:46.44 | vargran | it will show kernel. only |
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| 03:47.50 | TbbW | wierd... how did one get asp suport running on a linux server with apache ? |
| 03:48.00 | Guerin | !aptitude |
| 03:48.00 | dpkg | aptitude is probably "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 03:48.08 | Guerin | vargran: see those links |
| 03:48.11 | Wyzard | TbbW: If it's ASP.NET, Mono has some support for that |
| 03:48.13 | Guerin | one of them is just such a list |
| 03:48.22 | Wyzard | TbbW: If it's plain ASP, maybe Windows running in VMware? |
| 03:48.46 | vargran | thnx |
| 03:48.57 | TbbW | Wyzard: "one.com" run linux servers for ther customers... they suport both php and asp on the same box |
| 03:49.25 | vargran | Wyzard, mono still has huge problems with ASP.NET :( mostly applications don't run |
| 03:49.35 | TbbW | but the mono packet... wont it replace my existing apache server ? |
| 03:49.49 | Wyzard | TbbW: Apache has proxy features... could be configured to forward requests for ASP pages to a different server running Windows |
| 03:49.53 | vargran | Wyzard, but idea is pretty good, maybe it will kill java on PC (not really possibly, but very wished) |
| 03:50.00 | Wyzard | TbbW: To the client it'd still look like the Linux box was serving the pages |
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| 03:50.53 | TbbW | wierd... so there is no real way to set up asp suport with a debian box without setting up a win32 box next to it ? |
| 03:51.02 | Wyzard | vargran: Java isn't that bad, though I agree .NET is nicer for the most part |
| 03:51.19 | TbbW | ( real... as in not realy buggy ) |
| 03:51.22 | Wyzard | TbbW: There's no implementation of ASP on anything other than Windows, afaik |
| 03:51.27 | vargran | Wyzard, Java is problematical and pretty wierd in many aspects |
| 03:51.39 | vargran | TbbW, look at monos xsp/xsp2 |
| 03:51.55 | vargran | TbbW, it may be setted as apache module |
| 03:52.06 | vargran | TbbW, more info about that on www.mono-project.org |
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| 03:52.51 | vargran | TbbW, thnx :) |
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| 03:53.26 | vargran | TbbW, it actually even works, but has problems... |
| 03:53.46 | TbbW | oh? :P |
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| 03:54.42 | vargran | TbbW, most of 2.0 specification is implemented, but such things as Forms and Dialog are very basic and don't have normal realization. Even STD c#: indexator doesn't work, says "use __Item() instead" :( |
| 03:54.52 | vargran | it was in 1.2.2.1 |
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| 03:55.06 | vargran | they had several more releases so try it anyway |
| 03:55.26 | TbbW | hmmm well it might be worth a shot :P |
| 03:55.33 | vargran | windows machine running 24/7/365 is absurd anyway |
| 03:56.13 | krazykit | windows as a server is absurd :P |
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| 03:56.38 | vargran | krazykit, totally agreed |
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| 03:56.52 | Wyzard | vargran: Windows isn't as unstable as it used to be |
| 03:57.10 | vargran | saw one box with windows 2003 which was working for 3 month. after reboot it didn't start :) |
| 03:57.20 | Wyzard | My objections these days are mostly the activation/lockdown/DRM stuff, and Microsoft's monopoly practices |
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| 03:57.33 | vargran | saw one box on FreeBSD 4.4 which works already 6 years (uptime says so) |
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| 03:57.59 | Guerin | vargran: it lies. |
| 03:58.04 | vargran | sco is dead, m$ next to go :) |
| 03:58.13 | vargran | Guerin, seems it doesn't |
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| 03:58.20 | vargran | Guerin, why do you think so? |
| 03:58.22 | Wyzard | vargran: If the FreeBSD box hasn't been rebooted in six years, that means its kernel still suffers from all vulnerabilities that have been found in the past six years... |
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| 03:58.57 | vargran | Wyzard, it's internal samba/ftp/site server |
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| 03:59.19 | Guerin | vargran: uptime on a 32-bit machine has an upper limit of 497 days |
| 03:59.21 | vargran | Wyzard, I don't know was it updated or not, but it works for 6 years |
| 03:59.37 | vargran | Guerin, strange... |
| 03:59.46 | vargran | Guerin, never saw such limitation |
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| 03:59.54 | Guerin | never looked |
| 04:00.06 | Guerin | it's because it's stored in a 32-bit number |
| 04:00.40 | Wyzard | Maybe it isn't a 32-bit machine |
| 04:00.45 | vargran | Guerin, I think algorithm is a bit different anyway: stored only time start and calculated from current-start. maybe I'm wrong |
| 04:00.51 | Wyzard | There were 64-bit architectures available in late 2001... |
| 04:01.00 | vargran | Wyzard, it is. 500MHz Pentium |
| 04:01.07 | Guerin | this is true |
| 04:01.10 | Guerin | oh |
| 04:01.19 | Guerin | but 500mhz pentium isnm't one of them |
| 04:01.25 | vargran | 0_o |
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| 04:01.38 | vargran | it's 32 bit |
| 04:01.41 | Wyzard | but I was under the impression that a 32-bit integer can count the seconds from 01/01/1970 to sometime in the 2030s |
| 04:01.51 | vargran | 2038 |
| 04:01.54 | vargran | 1 january :) |
| 04:02.11 | Wyzard | The 32-bit rollover has been mentioned as a sort of second Y2K, but people aren't worried about it because we'll be mostly on 64-bit systems (or bigger) by then |
| 04:02.18 | Guerin | Wyzard: right. |
| 04:02.38 | vargran | imagine 512 bits processor :) that would be fun... |
| 04:02.42 | Wyzard | so how does a 32-bit integer limit the reported uptime to 497 days? |
| 04:02.47 | Guerin | but 32 bits should be enough for anyone |
| 04:03.00 | vargran | Guerin, sellers don't think so :) |
| 04:03.05 | Guerin | Wyzard: bah, i dunno |
| 04:03.27 | Guerin | a dude explained it to me, but I can't be looking it up |
| 04:04.28 | Wyzard | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/09/msg04975.html |
| 04:04.41 | Wyzard | The link to the explanation is broken, but "it states that it is only a kernel 2.2.x bug" |
| 04:06.10 | Wyzard | Apparently it was related to uptime being counted in HZ ticks rather than seconds, which explains the running out of 32-bit values so quickly |
| 04:06.32 | vargran | Wyzard, I agree with that. |
| 04:06.47 | Wyzard | and maybe they still are, but a comment on another page mentions that 2.6 counts jiffies in 64 bits |
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| 04:08.27 | vargran | theoretically it can hold up to 93 years. if it's in seconds ofcourse |
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| 04:11.13 | vargran | sorry... 2 and 3 are close: up to 68 years |
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| 04:21.06 | ansong | is there a manpage in etch for ulimit or limits.conf? |
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| 04:22.44 | vargran | man -k ulimit |
| 04:23.50 | ansong | vargran: i get 'ulimit: nothing appropriate' |
| 04:24.04 | vargran | man -k limits |
| 04:24.49 | ansong | vargran: shows entry for faillog |
| 04:24.55 | vargran | 0_o |
| 04:25.03 | vargran | strange I had something |
| 04:25.17 | Wyzard | you need the manpages-dev package |
| 04:25.41 | ansong | _thanks_ |
| 04:29.10 | assasukasse | hello, i have a small problem with news server: i am using ssh port redirection to access my news server from abroad, with the following command: ssh -L 2525:news.tiscalinet.it:119 user@home but when i try to download news, i keep getting disconnected...what could it be? |
| 04:30.33 | assasukasse | the error i get is error 502 access denied to your node |
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| 04:39.32 | Wyzard | assasukasse: Have you configured your news client to use localhost:2525 as its server? |
| 04:39.54 | assasukasse | Wyzard: yup |
| 04:40.03 | Wyzard | dunno then |
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| 04:40.06 | assasukasse | i also tried to make ssh verbose |
| 04:40.11 | assasukasse | and it tries to connect |
| 04:40.20 | assasukasse | but gets disconnected after a sec or two |
| 04:40.37 | Wyzard | Maybe access is no longer allowed from your home IP for some reason |
| 04:41.21 | assasukasse | Wyzard: strange... |
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| 04:42.03 | assasukasse | Wyzard: ssh shouldn't give out any info from where i am connecting right? |
| 04:42.10 | Wyzard | nope |
| 04:42.35 | Wyzard | just an ordinary TCP connection from your home computer to the NNTP server |
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| 04:43.52 | Wyzard | Some news servers impose transfer limits... maybe you're over quota? |
| 04:43.52 | assasukasse | Wyzard: http://pastebin.com/de811769 |
| 04:44.04 | assasukasse | Wyzard: this one no, is my dsl server |
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| 04:45.45 | Wyzard | That's all I can think of |
| 04:46.58 | assasukasse | duno then :D |
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| 04:48.12 | snowbird | so back so aim here |
| 04:48.17 | snowbird | setting up router |
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| 04:50.19 | vargran | assasukasse, describe situtation again plz |
| 04:50.24 | vargran | *situation |
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| 04:52.31 | vargran | assasukasse, ? |
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| 04:54.46 | assasukasse | vargran: i am trying to access my news server from abroad |
| 04:55.15 | assasukasse | it filters connections not from the correct ip range, so i ssh -L 2526:news.tiscali.it:119 user@home |
| 04:55.17 | vargran | k. did you try to connect using telnet from transit server? |
| 04:55.26 | assasukasse | vargran: no |
| 04:55.29 | vargran | try it |
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| 04:55.39 | vargran | netcat telnet ... anything will suit |
| 04:55.42 | ravn | Anyone: I would like to get my WAN address that my router has with a perl-script. What is the preferred way to do this? |
| 04:55.47 | ArkoldThos | what are the packages to read mp3 with xine? |
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| 04:56.56 | assasukasse | vargran: 200 news.tiscali.it NNRP Service Ready (posting ok) |
| 04:57.18 | yigal | i have a file 'yes' that keeps creating itself in each folder i have done some work in. The file used to be, a couple of weeks ago, from 50-100K now it is 4M and I am getting concerned. It is also spawning (the right word) itself very often. What should I do? |
| 04:57.19 | vargran | assasukasse, ok. now do next. (wait a sec its a big text) |
| 04:57.33 | vargran | assasukasse, by the way do you have root access? |
| 04:57.36 | litage | what should i do if my kdesktop process becomes a zombie? i've tried sending it several signals, including term, hup and kill, but it won't die: nick 31572 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z Aug09 0:00 [kdesktop] <defunct> |
| 04:57.46 | Wyzard | ravn: You could have it wget http://www.whatismyip.com/ and parse the output somehow |
| 04:57.47 | assasukasse | vargran: yup |
| 04:57.54 | yigal | litago try -9 |
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| 04:58.05 | litage | yigal: -9 is the kill signal, which i've tried |
| 04:58.07 | vargran | assasukasse, then forget about ssh and do it with xinetd |
| 04:58.16 | yigal | litage: kill -9 ? |
| 04:58.17 | Wyzard | ravn: If you have your own webserver somewhere, with PHP or something, you could write your own service whose output is easier for the script to parse |
| 04:58.25 | assasukasse | vargran: agh |
| 04:58.31 | vargran | assasukasse, ? |
| 04:58.38 | assasukasse | dunno how<to |
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| 04:59.08 | vargran | assasukasse, one sec |
| 04:59.11 | litage | yigal: ``kill -9 PID'' is the same as ``kill -KILL PID''. see the manpage for kill |
| 04:59.13 | yigal | litage: what about with root privelage, if you have? |
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| 04:59.37 | litage | yigal: yeah i've tried as root too. didn't make any difference |
| 04:59.44 | vargran | service blabla |
| 04:59.45 | vargran | { |
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| 04:59.45 | vargran | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:59.45 | vargran | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:59.54 | yigal | litage: but the default signal for kill is TERM not KILL read the manual |
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| 05:00.04 | ravn | Wyzard: thanx, What's My IP seems nice. |
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| 05:00.07 | vargran | oops... |
| 05:00.54 | litage | yigal: correct, but i said "i've tried sending it several signals, including term, hup and kill" =) |
| 05:01.00 | Wyzard | ravn: I'm not a fan of the stupid header graphic and the occasional popup that gets past my blocker, but it does at least work |
| 05:01.05 | vargran | assasukasse, did you get it? |
| 05:01.09 | yigal | litage: as root? |
| 05:01.17 | litage | yigal: yep =( |
| 05:01.52 | vargran | assasukasse, ? |
| 05:02.01 | assasukasse | vargran: no what did u send |
| 05:02.11 | yigal | litage: are you using X for anything right now? |
| 05:02.14 | assasukasse | u have been kicked for flood |
| 05:02.18 | assasukasse | use pastebin |
| 05:02.20 | litage | yigal: just kde |
| 05:02.24 | assasukasse | i eat lunch :D |
| 05:03.07 | yigal | litage: beyond me, sorry, I stick to dirt cheap window managers - dwm |
| 05:03.15 | litage | yigal: np. thanks for trying |
| 05:04.44 | Wyzard | yigal: You know, DWM is also the name of Vista's compositing WM |
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| 05:05.12 | yigal | Wyzard: yes, they stole it |
| 05:05.49 | yigal | Wyzard: its very ironic though :) |
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| 05:06.39 | yigal | Wyzard: a window manager that prides its self on concision of code, and KISS strategy has the same name as Vista's compositing manager :) |
| 05:06.49 | vargran | assasukasse, http://paste.debian.net/34810 |
| 05:06.58 | vargran | assasukasse, must work |
| 05:07.10 | vargran | assasukasse, got several redirects working on it |
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| 05:11.15 | GuHhH | can anyone help me with clamav + amavis + spamassassin intregation on postfix? |
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| 05:12.37 | snowbird | hwo do i make debian static |
| 05:12.49 | vargran | assasukasse, worked? |
| 05:13.07 | assasukasse | vargran: nope |
| 05:13.09 | assasukasse | and i dunno why |
| 05:13.16 | vargran | assasukasse, what does it says? |
| 05:13.25 | assasukasse | nothing |
| 05:13.30 | assasukasse | simply doesn't do anything |
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| 05:13.59 | vargran | assasukasse, did you check your firewall/routing tables/allow-deny files? |
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| 05:15.16 | assasukasse | vargran: yes and nothing there... |
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| 05:15.40 | assasukasse | i am trying just to use vnc to connect to the home server and see if i can get from there |
| 05:16.05 | vargran | assasukasse, then I can't help remotely.... need to see it. try tcpdump etc.. on xinetd variant, maybe youll find the problem |
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| 05:17.24 | assasukasse | vargran: thanks |
| 05:17.41 | assasukasse | but can u explain what are those i found in ssh debug window: debug2: channel 4: open confirm rwindow 131072 rmax 32768 |
| 05:17.41 | assasukasse | debug2: channel 5: open confirm rwindow 131072 rmax 32768 |
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| 05:18.28 | vargran | rwindow = buffer, rmax = max read size |
| 05:20.59 | Wyzard | assasukasse: Those are just TCP congestion-control parameters |
| 05:21.10 | assasukasse | thanks all |
| 05:21.26 | assasukasse | i am trying to force pan to use only localhost, and at now it is updating groups.. |
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| 05:22.03 | Wyzard | You shouldn't need to do anything special to "force" pan to use localhost as a server... just set it up like any other news server |
| 05:22.22 | Wyzard | I've done the same thing, years ago, pan with SSH forwarding |
| 05:23.44 | assasukasse | Wyzard: i just want to retain my home server properties so when i go back i don't need to upgrade all again,, |
| 05:23.56 | assasukasse | i set up localhost as primary server |
| 05:24.06 | assasukasse | and my home as a fallback one |
| 05:25.12 | assasukasse | just a question, is it needed the option -C or not? i think that nntp are mainly text so it might help..also because i have only 20k connection here |
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| 05:27.31 | Wyzard | It might help, yes |
| 05:29.53 | ircuser | I seek help on file recovery (on a jfs filesystem) following an accidental 'rm -rf *' in my home directory. (do laugh - 9 years in linux and this has never happened...) |
| 05:30.08 | Wyzard | ircuser: restore from backup :-P |
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| 05:31.34 | Wyzard | A Google search for "JFS undelete" turns up a few results but they all look spammy, and not like trustworthy software |
| 05:31.36 | vook | Wyzard: immediately I did a lazy unmount and created a dd image of the partition. There must be a way. |
| 05:31.49 | vook | ya, they are all for windows |
| 05:32.49 | Wyzard | I don't see what good a lazy unmount would do |
| 05:32.49 | wwasher | this might be a stupid question, but why did debian decide to have jabberd use a config file to set options that the docs have you modify the daemon's xml config file for? |
| 05:32.51 | hcy | hi guys. did someone say something to me recently? i was sleeping, and it's scrolled out of the window by now |
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| 05:33.35 | vook | I wasn't sure if a normal unmount may write some unsaved data... |
| 05:33.49 | vook | (over files I would eventually try to recover) |
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| 05:34.12 | wwasher | and if i change jabberd's init file to NOT source the cfg file, how soon can i expect lenny updates to break my setup? :) |
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| 05:35.07 | Wyzard | vook: I don't know how much unmount metadata a lazy unmount writes to disk "now" vs. "later", but it's certainly not going to be less than just leaving the filesystem mounted |
| 05:35.16 | Wyzard | vook: and metadata changes get flushed every few seconds anyway |
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| 05:36.06 | vook | Wyzard: good to know |
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| 05:39.05 | GuHhH | is there any irc client with proxy support? |
| 05:39.13 | vargran | bye everyone |
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| 05:41.20 | graytron | hcy: 06:03 < liable> hcy: can you paste the relevent part of the kpkg output |
| 05:41.35 | graytron | 06:03 EEST :) |
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| 05:41.41 | hcy | graytron: thanks |
| 05:41.45 | hcy | liable: are you around? |
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| 05:43.03 | graytron | hcy: and 02:26 < jelly-home> hcy: boo |
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| 05:59.39 | Azar | making life with Debian easier...or more complicated? with Envy |
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| 06:00.20 | Azar | !moo? |
| 06:00.20 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 06:00.45 | cafuego | aptitude -v -v moo |
| 06:00.49 | Azar | hehe |
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| 06:02.02 | lekvar | Anyone had any luck using live-helper in sid? |
| 06:03.05 | hcy | what are the settings you use with update-initramfs ? because even after recompiling my kernel, building in what i thought would be the essentials, i still get the errors i mentioned earlier |
| 06:03.58 | Azar | lekvar: not myself, I never run the sid |
| 06:04.02 | hcy | ( http://pastebin.ca/660335 ) |
| 06:04.29 | Azar | hcy: you did compiled a kernel the debian way? |
| 06:04.45 | hcy | Azar: the debian kernel compile script is broken |
| 06:04.53 | lekvar | Azar: it's kinda changed from the way the wiki explains it, in sid. No biggie, I'm just playing around with it. |
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| 06:06.00 | Azar | hcy: I only go with the tutorial for sarge... not using etch.. |
| 06:06.25 | hcy | Azar: this is sid |
| 06:06.45 | Azar | hcy: awww, you guys are loving the adventure |
| 06:06.48 | lekvar | Actually for the most part sid's turned out to be surprisingly stable to use |
| 06:07.27 | Azar | lekvar: only reason I stopped at etch is the kernel... |
| 06:07.38 | hcy | lekvar: exactly, it hardly ever gives me trouble |
| 06:07.53 | Azar | err "stopped at sarge" |
| 06:07.56 | lekvar | well you can get nvidia packages with the etch kernel at least |
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| 06:08.08 | hcy | i've been using sid from the beginning of my linux experience |
| 06:08.14 | Madd_Matt | glib1.2ldbl says it replaces glib1.2. However, there are some packages on my system that depend on glib1.2. Can I somehow tell apt that glib1.2 is installed? Or edit the glib1.2ldbl package to say it provides glib1.2? |
| 06:08.35 | Azar | Madd_Matt: try using aptitude |
| 06:09.00 | lekvar | I confess I just wanted to be able to try the newer openbox easily |
| 06:09.03 | Azar | apt-get uninstall packages then aptitude install them back |
| 06:09.25 | Azar | lekvar: what the new openbox does not work with sid? |
| 06:09.50 | lekvar | No, it works great. I installed sid to get it. |
| 06:09.57 | Madd_Matt | Azar: I have packages that depend on glib1.2 and that depend on glib1.2ldbl, but both can't co-exist. Some packages haven't been updated though. I don't see how reinstalling packages would help any. |
| 06:10.03 | lekvar | it's quite spiff |
| 06:10.18 | Azar | Madd_Matt: ahhh you want them both? |
| 06:10.43 | Madd_Matt | Azar, yeah. I don't actually want both packages, but I want dpkg to think glib1.2 is installed -- Because it is! |
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| 06:12.30 | Azar | Madd_Matt: I was only thinking of using aptitude to do a clean house.. |
| 06:12.39 | Madd_Matt | Azar, this bug is of interest to what I'm describing: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=433730 |
| 06:12.45 | Azar | but you can't uninstall with aptitude what you installed with apt-get |
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| 06:13.16 | Madd_Matt | I've been using aptitude since the start of this install. |
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| 06:14.33 | Azar | Debian Release: lenny/sid <<< ahhh murky swamps |
| 06:15.13 | Azar | Madd_Matt: if you tried with aptitude , maybe apt-get would go around the problem.. |
| 06:15.46 | Azar | aptitude brings in all dependencies... while apt-get is more flexible |
| 06:16.26 | KairuMaiku | I even pimped it out earlier... swapped out 64MB ram for 256MB ram and put in an 80gb drive in addition to the 9gb |
| 06:16.55 | Azar | KairuMaiku: nice... full or basic install? |
| 06:17.46 | KairuMaiku | Azar: I'm probably going to end up installing KDE on it and using it as a workstation over VNC |
| 06:18.17 | KairuMaiku | Azar: And I have a bunch of other comps headed my way too, so it'll end up being the controlling PC for a cluster generating... rainbow tables :) |
| 06:18.36 | Azar | desktop is too bloated, I only use X with openbox... |
| 06:19.32 | Azar | 256MB ram is not too much... for a resources-hungry desktop like kde or gnome |
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| 06:20.04 | KairuMaiku | Usually I'd use XFCE, but I kind of want a workstation to develop/compile C++ |
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| 06:20.43 | Azar | I don't think having a gloating xfce with compiz or other stuff gonna help much at performance |
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| 06:22.42 | Azar | just use a simple X with openbox so you can have a browser, music player, some games, irc, xterm, openoffice, gimp ... |
| 06:23.14 | lekvar | dockaps too if you want. |
| 06:23.46 | Azar | yeah I have them all without the need of a desktop |
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| 06:24.30 | Azar | lekvar: the only thing I will be sorry for is not being able to get the latest openbox version.. |
| 06:24.43 | Azar | but I can live with the older version... it satisfies all my needs |
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| 06:25.50 | Azar | sigh, I have to shut down my box... at 92F / 38C inside this room my little box will die.. |
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| 06:25.55 | Azar | good night honorables |
| 06:26.48 | streuner_ | poor Azar, he needs air-condition |
| 06:28.23 | snowbird | hey struner |
| 06:28.46 | snowbird | can u help me set my router to static tomorow after its installed |
| 06:29.12 | zu22 | my laptop has broken exhaust fan, the CPU gets very hot and HD is 49C sometimes |
| 06:29.40 | snowbird | darn |
| 06:30.28 | snowbird | nevor saw that desk top |
| 06:30.44 | cafuego | 38C and it won't run? |
| 06:30.55 | cafuego | It gets warmer than that *outside* here |
| 06:31.21 | lekvar | KairuMaiku: howcome |
| 06:31.25 | lekvar | KairuMaiku: howcome XFS |
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| 06:31.40 | assasukasse | xfs is very nice |
| 06:32.08 | cafuego | Unless it has bugs that eat your data. |
| 06:32.11 | KairuMaiku | XFS uses maximum capacity available, also faster for operations on large files |
| 06:32.30 | KairuMaiku | And considering that this PC will be the home of generated rainbow tables (gigs and gigs in size...) |
| 06:32.50 | lekvar | how large is "large" |
| 06:33.06 | lekvar | as in "faster for", that is |
| 06:33.18 | KairuMaiku | lekvar: IIRC ~500MB |
| 06:33.37 | lekvar | ahh, no wonder i didn't notice much diff when i tried it |
| 06:33.40 | KairuMaiku | heh |
| 06:33.46 | cafuego | Think ISOs and AVIs. |
| 06:33.48 | KairuMaiku | like all my files are larger than 500mb |
| 06:33.54 | cafuego | It's mainly faster at deleting them |
| 06:34.02 | KairuMaiku | cafuego: xD |
| 06:34.20 | assasukasse | xfs is the only one with online file defrag |
| 06:34.22 | lekvar | i suppose that would be handy if iw anted to rip all my dvd's to my hd |
| 06:34.30 | cafuego | XFS would be a good choice for say a mythtv box :-) |
| 06:34.34 | KairuMaiku | lekvar: what, you don't? |
| 06:34.48 | KairuMaiku | cafuego: unfortunately i'm stuck with commiecrap's dvr |
| 06:34.55 | lekvar | KairuMaiku: no i like breaking my system far too much to actuially be able to keep anything useful on it (laugh) |
| 06:35.05 | KairuMaiku | lol |
| 06:35.24 | KairuMaiku | i have 92 80gb sata drives sitting in my closet, lekvar |
| 06:35.30 | KairuMaiku | all in use to categorize my files :) |
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| 06:36.06 | cafuego | Your're responsible for global warming. |
| 06:36.16 | KairuMaiku | cafuego: they don't all run at once. |
| 06:37.03 | KairuMaiku | cafuego: besides, it's far more likely that my 5 cabinets at the dc are a larger contributing factor to the liberal bullcrap :D |
| 06:37.06 | cafuego | I don't want to hear it. |
| 06:37.18 | cafuego | Treekiller |
| 06:37.27 | KairuMaiku | actually that would be saving trees |
| 06:37.27 | lekvar | KairuMaiku: you LIVE in a datacenter? |
| 06:37.42 | KairuMaiku | lekvar: i wish! that's much much cooler than my house |
| 06:38.04 | KairuMaiku | the air conditioners have enough power to circumvent the melting of 1.44million short tons of ice :P |
| 06:38.48 | lekvar | reiser3 subjectively seemed faster doing random whatever |
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| 06:39.08 | cafuego | faster doing random file destruction? |
| 06:39.29 | KairuMaiku | reiserfs is great at small files :) |
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| 06:40.11 | lekvar | cafuego: I don't suppose you've lost files to an alternative filesystem? |
| 06:40.33 | KairuMaiku | ext3 is so... so... slow :( |
| 06:40.35 | dimir | Moin! |
| 06:40.47 | streuner_ | snowbird: spell my nick right, otherwise i dont see it... |
| 06:40.48 | cafuego | lekvar: only to reiser and xfs thusfar |
| 06:40.57 | cafuego | lekvar: Well, ext2 back in 1993-1995 :-) |
| 06:41.10 | lekvar | cafuego: which reiser? i didnt use either long enough to really encounter any trouble |
| 06:41.13 | cafuego | But not to ext2 or ext3 in the past decade |
| 06:41.21 | streuner_ | snowbird: look at interfaces (/usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/) |
| 06:41.22 | cafuego | lekvar: reiser3, I've never used 4. |
| 06:41.33 | KairuMaiku | cafuego: look at the last 2 words of that sentence. gee. i wonder why. |
| 06:41.40 | KairuMaiku | it's been around since what, 1980? |
| 06:41.44 | lekvar | it's kind of a pain in the ass moving a system onto a reiser4 |
| 06:42.08 | cafuego | KairuMaiku: Yes, I like my filesystems to be stable first, fast second. Not the other way around. |
| 06:42.35 | KairuMaiku | cafuego: Sorry, ext3 is 2001, not 1980 :) |
| 06:42.44 | KairuMaiku | ext2 is 1993 |
| 06:42.53 | cafuego | KairuMaiku: Losting a second or two on file ops really doesn't matter that much if it saves me a few hours of restoring from backup. |
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| 06:43.47 | cafuego | I should do some sums, check how many GB-hours of storage it would take to make restoration a quicker option. |
| 06:44.22 | KairuMaiku | cafuego: ahh, i see. my applications are usually server-based, especially my upcoming one, so if i lose data on one server i can clone it over in a flash |
| 06:44.47 | sep | i have used raiser2 and reiser3 and i'm never touching them again. it's simply not worth the hassle. atlest 2 died stright away so the previous day's backup was fine. 3 introduced corputed files in a few weeks before noticing. ext3 ftw |
| 06:44.51 | KairuMaiku | tell my reverse proxy to stop putting connections out to that particular http server and run a couple commands |
| 06:45.00 | lekvar | cafuego: you sound like you're talking about a prod environment |
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| 06:45.23 | cafuego | lekvar: Yes, others aren't worth mentioning |
| 06:45.54 | cafuego | You know, i could run the new 200Gb/sec wibblefs on the development quad shoehorn |
| 06:45.56 | lekvar | i'm a little surprised about xfs unless it's because of power failures. didnt sgi put a hell of a lot of work into that? |
| 06:46.05 | cafuego | lekvar: They did, on Irix. |
| 06:46.05 | KairuMaiku | i guess filesystem type really depends on your usage :) |
| 06:46.23 | KairuMaiku | cafuego: wibblefs? |
| 06:46.52 | cafuego | lekvar: Problem is, XFS on Irix ~ NTFS on Windows. it in no way implies stability after porting to another OS. XFS isn't bad, but it's also not ext2/3 (yet). |
| 06:47.39 | cafuego | Don't tell me you're googling wibblefs now. |
| 06:47.49 | lekvar | fair enough point. i figured the work under irix might matter on other archs. hardware details are down pretty low in an fs aren't they? |
| 06:47.56 | KairuMaiku | cafuego: nope, couldn't be arsed to |
| 06:48.32 | cafuego | lekvar: Yeh, but linux and irix internals are dissimilar nough to introduce uncertainties. |
| 06:48.47 | cafuego | lekvar: The whole IO subsystem would be completely different, for one. |
| 06:48.54 | gonzaloaf | hi, what library do I need to install in order to make work the voice clip feature of amsn? |
| 06:48.59 | cafuego | And the Linux one is getting constantly rewritten anyway :-) |
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| 06:49.14 | lekvar | much to everyone's delight |
| 06:49.43 | cafuego | oh go on, you know you love it ;-) |
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| 06:50.42 | Pengush | Hi all |
| 06:51.00 | lekvar | cafuego: actually considering how things have gotten better i do |
| 06:51.30 | comsa | hi |
| 06:51.31 | Pengush | i'm forgot debian 3.1 root password, how can i reset root password ? |
| 06:51.56 | lekvar | boot a rescue disk, mount your volume, and edit the file? |
| 06:52.18 | cafuego | Pengush: Bot with 'init=/bin/bash', mount / as read-write and run 'passwd'. |
| 06:52.25 | Pengush | i don't have rescue disk |
| 06:52.30 | KairuMaiku | hmm did anyone ever stop to consider that #debian could probably take over Niue? |
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| 06:53.59 | lekvar | Pengush: try cafuego's way |
| 06:54.05 | gonzaloaf | hello, can you tell me an application to change the encoding of a file? |
| 06:54.11 | KairuMaiku | Debian doesn't have single user mode? |
| 06:54.17 | comsa | Pengush forgoten or has it been changed |
| 06:54.43 | Pengush | comsa, forgotten.. |
| 06:55.16 | Pengush | or changed.., i don't know :) |
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| 06:55.29 | darolew | KairuMaiku: Debian has a single user mode. I see it as an option every day when I boot my PC... |
| 06:56.04 | lekvar | IIRC you need the root password to get at it, so it's not much help. |
| 06:56.24 | KairuMaiku | Hmm? I didn't think so |
| 06:56.58 | cafuego | There is no "try" for my way. it just works (unless you were silly and set a boot loader password) |
| 06:58.19 | KairuMaiku | :-\ told it to install to mbr but it didn't listen, unfortunately |
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| 06:58.31 | Mtraker | hi |
| 06:59.04 | Mtraker | i'v a problem with cinelerra. Is impossible to install in sid? |
| 06:59.10 | Mtraker | sorry |
| 06:59.12 | Mtraker | cinepaint |
| 06:59.17 | comsa | try Ctrl Alt f1 then log in |
| 06:59.31 | KairuMaiku | i forgot to create /boot |
| 06:59.35 | KairuMaiku | goddamn |
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| 07:04.19 | KairuMaiku | eventually... my 80gb will get too small (quickly with enough processing power) |
| 07:04.22 | KairuMaiku | :D |
| 07:04.25 | mesof2 | does anyone know how to work cmus |
| 07:04.51 | mesof2 | the key controls |
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| 07:05.20 | KairuMaiku | how much space does one need for /boot? |
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| 07:08.48 | linomix | KairuMaiku, not very much, because the kernel is only 6 MB |
| 07:08.53 | mesof2 | You must have at least 4MB of memory and 35MB of hard disk. If you want to install a reasonable amount of software, including the X Window System, and some development programs and libraries, you'll need at least 300MB. For a more or less complete installation, you'll need around 800MB. To install everything available in Debian, you'll probably need around 2 GB. Actually, installing everything doesn't even make sense, since some |
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| 07:09.00 | mesof2 | KairuMaiku: ^ |
| 07:09.10 | KairuMaiku | oh. i guess 128mb /boot is overkill then |
| 07:09.48 | mesof2 | KairuMaiku: is it a 64bit machine |
| 07:09.55 | KairuMaiku | nope |
| 07:09.57 | KairuMaiku | it's a... pii |
| 07:10.02 | lekvar | KairuMaiku: extra /boot is nice if you like building kernels and need to make sure a normal one's still in the list somewhere |
| 07:10.12 | mesof2 | yeah this said x86 |
| 07:11.02 | KairuMaiku | what i'm going to do is take hda and make it into /boot and swap only... seeing as it's a 9gb drive |
| 07:11.06 | KairuMaiku | then hdb and make it / :) |
| 07:12.07 | lekvar | with that much space for /boot you can write your kernel in fortran |
| 07:12.17 | KairuMaiku | oh |
| 07:12.25 | linomix | 9gb for swap is very much, unless your hdb is 1 Terabyte |
| 07:12.28 | KairuMaiku | i'm setting boot to 128mb just in case i have a desire to compile my own kernel |
| 07:13.00 | KairuMaiku | linomix: it's 80gb :) but i figure since the system only has 256mb ram, it can't hurt to have a huge swap. the drive space on that one is negligible anyway |
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| 07:13.10 | smg | hi |
| 07:13.19 | lekvar | hmm i wonder if vlc will deign to work properly tonight... anything's worth a try i suppose |
| 07:13.22 | linomix | ven you want to compile your own kernel, you can compile it on /, and then move the kernel bin to /boot |
| 07:13.29 | linomix | s/ven/even/ |
| 07:13.29 | smg | erasing my hard disk drive data already durated more than 5 minutes, is there something going wrong? |
| 07:13.47 | KairuMaiku | smg: easier solution is a magnet |
| 07:13.54 | smg | KairuMaiku: haahahha :) |
| 07:14.01 | smg | KairuMaiku: i am on debian etch install |
| 07:14.09 | smg | i'm just wondering why it's so slow |
| 07:14.29 | petemc | smg: how are you erasing it? |
| 07:14.40 | linomix | smg: perhaps you have lots of files, so it take longer, try to format it instead |
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| 07:14.50 | KairuMaiku | Hehe. /dev/hda has a 128MB /boot on ext2 and an 8.4GB swap |
| 07:15.15 | KairuMaiku | and /dev/hdb has an 82gb xfs that / runs off of |
| 07:15.29 | smg | petemc: i'm on expert modus install |
| 07:15.45 | smg | and i just on the menu point => partitioning => erase hard disk drive |
| 07:16.22 | lekvar | Is there a standard(ish?) package to use to indice ones system to automount removable media? |
| 07:16.24 | smg | 900 mhz and 256 ram should be enough eh? :) |
| 07:16.45 | petemc | i dont recall that option, but you can see a log by using alt - f4 |
| 07:17.25 | KairuMaiku | i even have a 32mb pc100 module i can put in here to beat you with in terms of sucking :D |
| 07:17.26 | linomix | smg: how may GB are you erasing? |
| 07:17.29 | smg | 20 |
| 07:17.33 | linomix | s/may/many/ |
| 07:17.34 | smg | it's an old p3 notebook |
| 07:17.44 | KairuMaiku | haha pii :D |
| 07:17.51 | smg | 38 % : durating 10 mins or so |
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| 07:17.59 | Trewas | mesof2: heh, I thought your quote (about debian install needing 4mb memory and 35mb hd space) sounded quite old, but well it's only 8 years old advice for debian 2.1 :) |
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| 07:18.06 | smg | KairuMaiku: why do you beat me? |
| 07:18.15 | KairuMaiku | smg: because my system sucks more :) |
| 07:18.23 | smg | hrhr |
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| 07:18.34 | KairuMaiku | smg: and soon i'm going to have a cluster of awful systems working on generating rainbow tables for me, hehe |
| 07:18.37 | smg | KairuMaiku: it's one of my 10 machines only :) |
| 07:18.45 | linomix | smg: maybe that's because the hard is lod, ad it's read/write speed is low |
| 07:18.48 | smg | KairuMaiku: but i decided to install debian on it because gentoo seems to be overkill |
| 07:18.56 | smg | :) |
| 07:18.58 | KairuMaiku | smg: i'm cleaning out a body shop of all their old systems and servers, which is like a ton |
| 07:19.11 | smg | KairuMaiku: hehe |
| 07:19.12 | KairuMaiku | i figure i can heat the house with them |
| 07:19.15 | linomix | smg: anyway, everything has to come to an end, you have to do nothing but to wait :-) |
| 07:19.23 | smg | indeed |
| 07:19.29 | smg | i read debian user's handbook |
| 07:19.33 | smg | because i'm new to debian |
| 07:19.35 | smg | :) |
| 07:19.38 | smg | good lecture for the time |
| 07:19.48 | KairuMaiku | smg: and stop complaining. it takes on the order of an hour apiece on windows to format my 250gb drives :( |
| 07:19.58 | smg | but.. i still need to program some tool, so i will make the perl tool first |
| 07:20.09 | smg | KairuMaiku: no one needs m$ crap really :) |
| 07:20.20 | EmleyMoor | Is the release of r1 the reason why I have 47 updates today? |
| 07:20.24 | KairuMaiku | not really. unfortuantely, my file archives are all ntfs-based. doh. |
| 07:20.56 | KairuMaiku | i want to plug in all the drives at one and make a really really big raid0 array :D |
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| 07:22.08 | iratsu_ | why would i be able to find a font in xfontsel but not gnome-font-properties? |
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| 07:23.42 | linomix | iratus_: gnome-font-properties show you only the fonts found in your .fonts directory |
| 07:24.58 | iratsu_ | linomix: but i don't have a .fonts directory |
| 07:25.31 | linomix | It's a hidden folder, try to type in shell: ls -la |
| 07:26.04 | iratsu_ | linomix: i know it's a hidden holder =\ |
| 07:26.15 | iratsu_ | $ file ~/.fonts |
| 07:26.16 | iratsu_ | /home/iratsu/.fonts: ERROR: cannot open `/home/iratsu/.fonts' (No such file or directory) |
| 07:26.35 | linomix | hmm, i don't know then |
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| 07:27.06 | linomix | `I don't know` is half of Knowledge :D |
| 07:27.17 | linomix | brb |
| 07:27.21 | lekvar | linomix: do you really know that? |
| 07:27.22 | mesof2 | KairuMaiku: i think a raid is hard to setup |
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| 07:27.26 | mesof2 | KairuMaiku: but i'm not sure |
| 07:27.31 | smg | 60% :) |
| 07:27.45 | KairuMaiku | mesof: not really. i run it in all of my servers, but it's hardware-based |
| 07:28.11 | mesof2 | well i can't even get cmus working if it makes you feel any better |
| 07:28.13 | KairuMaiku | mesof: you wouldn't do it software with more than a few drives, anyway, because you'd be needing raid cards past like 8 drives or so |
| 07:28.15 | mesof2 | where is liable tonight? |
| 07:28.25 | KairuMaiku | and i have 92 archive drives :D |
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| 07:28.53 | mesof2 | KairuMaiku: you have 92 hard drives? |
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| 07:29.04 | KairuMaiku | mesof: yup, archive drives. i hot swap them. |
| 07:29.10 | mesof2 | that's cool |
| 07:29.11 | KairuMaiku | mesof: i got a good deal on a pallet of 80 gigs |
| 07:29.37 | mesof2 | are you like a web space provider or something? |
| 07:30.05 | KairuMaiku | mesof: i do work for an isp, but those 80 gigs are for my own personal file archives |
| 07:30.48 | mesof2 | KairuMaiku: that's really cool, i wish i was that good |
| 07:30.51 | mesof2 | to sum it up |
| 07:31.20 | KairuMaiku | i would need four $1400 24-connector raid cards to do my 92-drive raid 0 |
| 07:31.21 | KairuMaiku | :-\ |
| 07:32.12 | KairuMaiku | i've never tried it |
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| 07:36.39 | twb | Argh, how do you upgrade an individual package using the new (in Sid) aptitude? |
| 07:37.02 | twb | "upgrade" no longer takes arguments. |
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| 07:37.46 | petemc | hasnt it always been install foo ? |
| 07:37.46 | twb | Grmph, I guess you say "aptitude install foo". |
| 07:37.58 | twb | Historically you could say either. |
| 07:38.34 | petemc | i never have.. |
| 07:39.05 | twb | It seems counter-intuitive to me to ask for an already-installed package to be installed |
| 07:39.10 | joeyjones | the link from NickyJam is a virus |
| 07:39.31 | xsdg | KairuMaiku: a hardware array? I'm pretty sure the answer is "no" |
| 07:39.44 | xsdg | KairuMaiku: unless the cards are designed to do that |
| 07:40.03 | xsdg | KairuMaiku: for a software array, you can use whatever devices you want, so it'd be pretty trivial |
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| 07:43.35 | t4m1n0 | hello there |
| 07:43.43 | t4m1n0 | I have serverrouter |
| 07:43.59 | t4m1n0 | and so far I was making rules about port forwarding with clarkconnect |
| 07:44.53 | t4m1n0 | But now I wanna to do some things with iptables. But there is a problem, when I wanna to see all the rules with command: iptables -L I get message that command not found. Why's that ? |
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| 07:45.10 | t4m1n0 | hello there |
| 07:45.12 | dimir | :-D |
| 07:45.18 | t4m1n0 | I have serverrouter |
| 07:45.20 | dimir | Because command is not there? |
| 07:45.24 | t4m1n0 | and so far I was making rules about port forwarding with clarkconnect |
| 07:45.26 | dimir | Is this a bot? |
| 07:45.29 | t4m1n0 | But now I wanna to do some things with iptables. But there is a problem, when I wanna to see all the rules with command: iptables -L I get message that command not found. Why's that ? |
| 07:45.32 | dimir | :-D |
| 07:45.50 | dimir | Are you sure you run the command as root? |
| 07:45.58 | t4m1n0 | yes |
| 07:46.03 | t4m1n0 | I also tryed as a root |
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| 07:46.39 | t4m1n0 | I even went into /sbin :) |
| 07:47.04 | dimir | Then install package 'iptables'. |
| 07:47.15 | t4m1n0 | well I allready have iptables |
| 07:47.24 | t4m1n0 | it's allready in /sbin |
| 07:48.19 | semprix | t4m1n0, http://www.aboutdebian.com/firewall.htm |
| 07:48.26 | KairuMaiku | apt-get is soo much faster than yum |
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| 07:49.27 | alex-p2-400 | hello all, i need little help, just compiling a kernel and was wondering what Processor type i should select for my pentium 2 400 MMX... "686" , "Pentium II/Celeron (pre-Coppermine)" or "Pentium Pro", what should i select? |
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| 07:51.17 | t4m1n0 | semprix: I tryed with full path as root: /sbin/iptables -L and it works |
| 07:51.37 | dimir | t4m1n0: then you just miss '/sbin' in your path. |
| 07:51.52 | dimir | In your $PATH that is. |
| 07:52.33 | gonzaloaf | hi, is there a place where I can get the latest hplip but a debian pkg? (2.7.7) |
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| 07:53.56 | Pengush | Re. |
| 07:54.09 | Pengush | How can i mount root partition with read + write mode ? |
| 07:54.41 | petemc | mount -o remount,rw / |
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| 07:55.53 | alex-p2-400 | hello all, i need little help please, just compiling a kernel and was wondering what Processor type i should select for my pentium 2 - 400 MHZ? "686" , "Pentium II/Celeron (pre-Coppermine)" or "Pentium Pro"? |
| 07:55.58 | xand | Pengush: why wouldn't it be rw? |
| 07:56.11 | Pengush | petemc, thanks.. |
| 07:56.25 | xand | alex-p2-400: 686 or "Pentium II/Celeron (pre-Coppermine)" |
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| 07:56.57 | xand | alex-p2-400: but in debian compilation is generally not needed |
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| 08:01.08 | alex-p2-400 | xand thanks, i know but want need cks patchset ;) |
| 08:01.31 | Bogus8 | if apmd is running it would show up as apmd in ps right? |
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| 08:02.02 | smg | what's the difference between linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 and linux-image-2.6-686? |
| 08:02.08 | smg | I'm at install process |
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| 08:02.18 | andyp_ | i have skype on my system If I try to talk I can hear them but they cannot hear me |
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| 08:02.33 | Bogus8 | smg: I too would like to understand that option better |
| 08:02.54 | Bogus8 | andyp_: does your mic work... as in can you record anything with it? |
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| 08:03.03 | Bogus8 | is it turned on in alsamix or whatever |
| 08:04.27 | smg | Bogus8: no one in here knows it? :) |
| 08:04.38 | Bogus8 | you stumped them all ;) |
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| 08:05.17 | wAndyw78 | Hi at all. |
| 08:05.21 | semprix | !linux-image |
| 08:06.14 | liable | hcy: looks like virtual fs not enabled? |
| 08:08.35 | Bogus8 | I am having issues with apm or whatever it is doing it... if my laptop turns off the monitor I can't turn it back on with mouse move or keyboard action... but if I close the lid (set to blank screen) and then reopen it it fires up? |
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| 08:09.14 | lindenl1 | Anybody have a good tool for monitoring the load on a small set of machines...basically it is so people know where they should run new jobs....but too small a setup to use some kind of queueing system |
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| 08:10.38 | wAndyw78 | hm? you don't want to use "batch" or cronjobs? |
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| 08:10.59 | mesof2 | lindenl1: top? |
| 08:11.14 | mesof2 | lindenl1: df maybe |
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| 08:11.27 | lindenl1 | mesof2: is there like a top wrapper that grabs all the hosts |
| 08:12.18 | mesof2 | top -u or top -U for user |
| 08:12.27 | mesof2 | top -u lindenl1 |
| 08:12.45 | lindenl1 | mesof2: but I want to see all the hosts |
| 08:12.57 | wAndyw78 | console or GUI? |
| 08:13.06 | mesof2 | i would just try top then, but i'm not sure otherwise |
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| 08:15.34 | lindenl1 | anybody use ganglia? |
| 08:16.17 | mesof2 | what is it? |
| 08:16.28 | lindenl1 | the kind of thing I am looking for |
| 08:16.34 | lindenl1 | !dpkg ganglia |
| 08:16.40 | deadcat | update-moduels command is deprecated. what should i use from now on? |
| 08:17.33 | semprix | deadcat, module-assitant |
| 08:17.57 | deadcat | semprix: oh |
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| 08:19.15 | deadcat | semprix: so it will be m-a update == update-modules? |
| 08:19.25 | wAndyw78 | ganglia-monitor - A cluster system monitoring daemon |
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| 08:20.11 | semprix | !m-a |
| 08:20.11 | dpkg | i heard module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
| 08:20.30 | semprix | !tell deadcat m-a |
| 08:20.31 | deadcat | ya. thats for building. what about just updating |
| 08:20.48 | lindenl1 | wAndyw78: probably overkill for my app |
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| 08:21.20 | semprix | deadcat man m-a |
| 08:21.23 | deadcat | did |
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| 08:22.17 | semprix | m-a update |
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| 08:22.44 | deadcat | that updates the module source... right? |
| 08:23.36 | semprix | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:24.44 | deadcat | update-modules is equiv to depmod -a right? so whats m-a's equiv? |
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| 08:26.40 | Raging_Hog | what is the righteous way to shut down debian from cli? |
| 08:26.59 | semprix | Raging_Hog, man shutdown |
| 08:27.02 | lindenl1 | Raging_Hog: shutdown |
| 08:27.08 | lindenl1 | jinx |
| 08:27.41 | semprix | deadcat, what modules do you want to install? |
| 08:27.45 | semprix | i mean to update |
| 08:28.09 | deadcat | semprix: just in general. i use to just run update-modules and it updates |
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| 08:28.48 | Raging_Hog | semprix, lindenl1, I've never gotten shutdown to work. It doesn't shut it down all the way so I use init 0. Is it ok? |
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| 08:29.03 | deadcat | Raging_Hog: they all the same |
| 08:29.12 | semprix | Raging_Hog, run it as root |
| 08:29.17 | deadcat | Raging_Hog: or just type halt |
| 08:29.22 | semprix | or include yourself in the sudoers |
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| 08:29.57 | Raging_Hog | thanks |
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| 08:30.36 | irwiss | How can I tell debian cmos clock is localtime? set up /etc/default/rcS to say UTC=no, but it still thinks it's UTC and adds timezone offset |
| 08:30.58 | deadcat | irwiss: tzselect |
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| 08:34.58 | RouteWay | hello, i have 2 firewalls mashines with linux - old one and new one. Can i some how copy easy way old firewall routing tables? |
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| 08:35.28 | deadcat | Raging_Hog: the rules has to be somewhere right? |
| 08:35.44 | semprix | RouteWay, you mean the firewall rulesets? |
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| 08:36.42 | RouteWay | semprix. yes could be that |
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| 08:38.10 | RouteWay | semprix. the thing is then i unplug old firewall mashine - all net gone for all other pc. and i have also windows domain with 2 subnets. so i need somehow copy ip conf to new firewall |
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| 08:39.02 | jeffwheeler | Ha, I just tried Epiphany for the first time, over Iceweasel, and I'm loving it -- can't wait for some Webkit speed. |
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| 08:40.02 | jeffwheeler | Also, I read on a blog today about restarting Windows without actually restarting the BIOS itself by holding shift; does that make sense, and if so, is it possible within Debian? |
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| 08:40.05 | semprix | RouteWay, you need to get the firewall rulesets on the old machine and whack it in on the new machine |
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| 08:41.08 | RouteWay | semprix where are located rulesets file? |
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| 08:41.13 | deadcat | jeffwheeler: try it |
| 08:41.20 | semprix | are you using iptables? |
| 08:41.39 | RouteWay | semprix yes |
| 08:41.44 | jeffwheeler | deadcat: I figured it wouldn't be the same shortcut, but something like an argument to "reboot" |
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| 08:42.05 | deadcat | jeffwheeler: does it work on windows? |
| 08:42.32 | jeffwheeler | deadcat: author distinguished it as "cold" vs. "warm" booting; don't have Windows so I can't try, but I don't have any reason to believe it wouldn't |
| 08:42.36 | Bogus8 | does ext3 have archive bits? |
| 08:42.51 | semprix | RouteWay, it depends on where you place in the firewall-rules-blabla.sh |
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| 08:43.00 | Bogus8 | so that something like tar can backup or not backup based on whether it was backed up before or not |
| 08:43.03 | Bogus8 | or has changed |
| 08:43.08 | deadcat | jeffwheeler: maybe press the shift key when you type reboot before press enter (= |
| 08:43.24 | jeffwheeler | deadcat: I don't think that will be very effective :P |
| 08:43.30 | semprix | RouteWay, like you place it somewhere on #/etc/firewall-rules.sh |
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| 08:44.33 | deadcat | RouteWay: i think theres a command to dump the rules . but i dont know |
| 08:44.34 | RouteWay | semprix ok i gonna try to find. cuz configuration of old mashine is not by me. |
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| 08:44.54 | arooni | what should i set my Video RAM at for my intel x3100 video card? i have 2GB of ram |
| 08:44.59 | arooni | in kb |
| 08:46.02 | semprix | RouteWay, ohh thats the problem. try to boot up the old machine and find something like firewall or rule those keywords might help |
| 08:46.31 | deadcat | RouteWay: just grep for iptables in /usr/local/bin and/or /etc/ |
| 08:46.50 | RouteWay | semprix ok thanks much :) |
| 08:46.55 | RouteWay | deadcat thanks :) |
| 08:47.45 | semprix | np |
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| 08:49.53 | nvz | I don't suppose anyone knows if I can just buy like a fat or obese slug with debian? |
| 08:50.26 | alex___ | that you can stick your member into each night? |
| 08:50.27 | liable | dont think they are sold with it |
| 08:50.35 | hcy | hi liable |
| 08:50.36 | nvz | I wanna test some stuff and modifying it and getting debian on it is gonna take a bit of extra time and I'm trying to do this ASAP |
| 08:50.41 | hcy | liable: virtual fs, in the kernel? |
| 08:51.04 | nvz | they seem to only come from the factory in 32mb models |
| 08:51.09 | liable | hcy: yah, i cant recall seeing those errors before, is that booting with or without an initrd |
| 08:51.18 | hcy | liable: with |
| 08:51.18 | nvz | the application I had in mind could really use more than that |
| 08:51.28 | irwiss | deadcat: tzselect didn't help much, but thanks anyway, got me a sight on the real problem |
| 08:51.33 | nvz | I'd like to try run X on it |
| 08:51.34 | liable | hcy: oh, with a debian config? |
| 08:51.41 | hcy | liable: yes |
| 08:51.49 | liable | nvz: sounds painfull if you ask me |
| 08:52.08 | liable | hcy: meh, this is turning into quite a marathon ;) |
| 08:52.18 | hcy | liable: i know! tell me about it :( |
| 08:52.19 | nvz | yeah I may be looking at the wrong platform |
| 08:52.26 | liable | nvz: do they even have graphics cards? |
| 08:52.29 | nvz | but the slugs are cheap |
| 08:52.43 | nvz | liable: I was thinking since its USB its UPNP I could use usb video |
| 08:53.03 | nvz | that may be a strech |
| 08:53.05 | liable | deadcat: was just here, he has had one for a while |
| 08:53.16 | liable | erm, remove the : |
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| 08:53.38 | deadcat | (= |
| 08:54.15 | liable | nvz: ask deadcat |
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| 08:54.22 | nvz | basically I'd like to tune one to be a simple cheap desktop that can do real simple things |
| 08:54.35 | nvz | either that or I gotta look at a different platform altogether |
| 08:54.54 | nvz | maybe look at the xbox.. heh |
| 08:55.04 | nvz | I always did want to fool with one of those |
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| 08:55.23 | deadcat | nvz: what you gonna use the slug for? its useless |
| 08:55.31 | nvz | are they? |
| 08:55.31 | deadcat | nvz: mine is collecting dust |
| 08:55.34 | nvz | heh |
| 08:55.35 | deadcat | nvz: slow as f |
| 08:55.42 | nvz | that might be why its going so cheap on ebay |
| 08:55.49 | deadcat | nvz: how $? |
| 08:56.01 | liable | hcy: i havent compiled a kernel with just make for a long time, i am more interested as to why kpkg is failing, but that doesnt help you i guess |
| 08:56.04 | nvz | I'm looking for a cheap embedded platform for some experimenting |
| 08:56.18 | nvz | deadcat: anywhere from like 45 and up |
| 08:56.26 | liable | deadcat: ah, you gave up on it? |
| 08:56.33 | deadcat | nvz: ah.. mine was $80 i think. |
| 08:56.34 | hcy | liable: at this point, i just want to get a working kernel that will allow me to use dvgrab, i don't care how :( |
| 08:56.36 | bier_ | is there a way to tell make-kpkg to use both cores of my dual core cpu? it seems to be using only one core right now... |
| 08:56.37 | liable | i almost bought one a while back |
| 08:56.59 | deadcat | liable: no. i installed it on an external enclosure. it just slow and i got a qube3 (= |
| 08:57.06 | nvz | deadcat: I'm looking right now for a simple platform I can do basic desktop type stuff possibly with synergy |
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| 08:57.22 | nvz | just like web browsing, office, stuff like that |
| 08:57.27 | deadcat | ah |
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| 08:57.54 | nvz | deadcat: I didn't know if a slug with more ram and a usb video could do that |
| 08:58.47 | liable | hcy: okie, i'll have a real crack at it in the next few hours, i installed the debian 22 and my modem package failed to build due to it looking at that file. i'll try and see wtf its doing |
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| 08:58.54 | nvz | I mean I've had 266mhz w/ 128mb ram doing the stuff I'm talking about.. but they were full size x86 pcs with real video cards and shit |
| 08:59.03 | hcy | liable: thanks so much |
| 08:59.15 | deadcat | nvz: slug dont have video.. |
| 08:59.16 | bier_ | oh, i found the solution... CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=2 make-kpkg blabla.. anyway, thanks ;-) |
| 08:59.35 | nvz | deadcat: yeah but they have usb.. thats why I was thinking maybe I could do usb video |
| 08:59.44 | liable | hcy: funny i havent seen many other people here complaining, it looks like a genuine horrible bug with something in the tool chain |
| 08:59.56 | hcy | liable: :( |
| 09:00.02 | deadcat | nvz: man. you would have a hell of a project (= |
| 09:00.08 | nvz | heh |
| 09:00.11 | mha | OK, had quite enough with a 64-bit dist on my flashy 64-bit CPU. :) basicaly everything I care to do on the computer either fails to compile or to run. Now. Any smart way to take my installed packages-list and do a hotreplace from a 32-bit respo? :p |
| 09:00.14 | nvz | yeah wrong playform I guess |
| 09:00.21 | dacs | i can connect to my apache at home from work, but i can't use putty to connect. my router is fowarding port 22 !!! |
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| 09:00.41 | liable | dacs: whats the error? |
| 09:01.00 | dacs | liable connection faield |
| 09:01.06 | liable | refused? |
| 09:01.15 | dacs | liable yes |
| 09:01.27 | semprix | dacs, do ssh -v -v -v and examine it drops it |
| 09:01.31 | liable | !connection refused |
| 09:01.31 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified ip address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 09:01.36 | liable | dacs: ^^ |
| 09:02.00 | nvz | deadcat: I'm trying to find the cheapest smallest lowest consumtion device I can find that could do basic stuff.. |
| 09:02.11 | liable | dacs: recheck your routers forward rules |
| 09:02.29 | nvz | with debian and x that is |
| 09:02.30 | liable | dacs: after making sure sshd is running |
| 09:02.43 | deadcat | nvz: thats tough. |
| 09:03.19 | liable | nvz: why on earth do you want the crappiest bit of hardware to get a job done? |
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| 09:03.58 | nvz | liable: I'm looking for a platform to make a low-cost synergistic environment |
| 09:04.18 | liable | what the hell does synergistic mean? |
| 09:04.27 | semprix | synergy |
| 09:04.28 | nvz | synergy |
| 09:04.32 | semprix | jinx |
| 09:04.35 | nvz | heh |
| 09:04.46 | ApEtc | 2 + 2 = 5 |
| 09:04.49 | ApEtc | synergy |
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| 09:05.04 | semprix | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Asynergy&btnG=Google+Search |
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| 09:06.57 | nvz | ok how about this.. can I run virtalization on a system and somehow use it as two different desktops |
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| 09:07.41 | KairuMaiku | nvz: or you could run two copies of xserver |
| 09:07.56 | nvz | yeah but people have been asking that question for years |
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| 09:08.19 | nvz | how to get two different KVM on one system doing different things |
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| 09:10.23 | nvz | .. like a raunchy fart |
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| 09:12.23 | DavidProck1981 | what is the command to search a bunch of sub dirs for a file name |
| 09:14.12 | KairuMaiku | which |
| 09:14.14 | KairuMaiku | locate |
| 09:14.16 | KairuMaiku | uhh |
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| 09:14.26 | nvz | find |
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| 09:15.31 | dacs | liable i am getting Network error:Connection timed out |
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| 09:16.28 | svalovic | i would like to use package dfsbuild and create cd image with my selection of packages - i know i need to specify which packages i want in a config file, but how do i check all dependencies of my packages? |
| 09:16.39 | hcy | liable: my old 2.6.18 kernel didn't use initrd at all. also, it was a bzImage, not vmlinuz. why? what's the difference? |
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| 09:17.16 | hcy | liable: and can i do it that way so that i don't get the error on bootup? |
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| 09:17.55 | DavidProck1981 | when i install flash it asked mt to remove xpti.dat what is that about, any one know? |
| 09:18.09 | smg | look into it |
| 09:18.43 | themill | DavidProck1981: how did you install flash? |
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| 09:19.19 | DavidProck1981 | what do u mean, how, isnt there only one way |
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| 09:19.50 | themill | DavidProck1981: no, there are many. |
| 09:20.03 | themill | DavidProck1981: hence me asking... |
| 09:20.14 | DavidProck1981 | download tar from the site and ran the installer |
| 09:20.23 | DavidProck1981 | is htere a better way |
| 09:20.30 | themill | ahhh... the debian way is to use a debian package :) |
| 09:20.30 | linomix | DavidProck1981: well, try to search your disk for xpti.dat and remove it or rename it |
| 09:20.50 | zeeble | debian does not have a flash .deb, does it? |
| 09:20.55 | dacs | !connection time out |
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| 09:21.16 | DavidProck1981 | i think it is acting funny with java on iceweasle |
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| 09:21.30 | themill | DavidProck1981, zeeble: the package is flashplayer-mozilla from the debian-multimedia repo |
| 09:21.33 | themill | !dmm |
| 09:21.33 | dpkg | dmm is probably Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat) |
| 09:21.56 | zeeble | unofficial |
| 09:21.57 | hark | !info flashplugin-nonfree |
| 09:22.02 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Adobe Flash Player plugin installer), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 9.0.48.0.2 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 140 kB |
| 09:22.57 | zeeble | which is again a script. it downloads the tgz from adobe's site and then puts the stuff in the proper places |
| 09:23.15 | DavidProck1981 | i installed java before and my wife want ot upload pictures to her myspace and it just sits there but on windows it will transfer |
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| 09:24.43 | dacs | I am getting Network error:Connection timed out. when i try to connect using Putty??? |
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| 09:25.41 | themill | hark: I've always had more success with flashplayer-mozilla than flashplugin-nonfree. No idea why. |
| 09:26.22 | Bogus8 | dacs: can you ping the host? |
| 09:26.52 | linomix | dacs: may be you are using a proxy, try to add it in Putty configuration |
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| 09:28.37 | Bogus8 | I am having issues with apm or whatever it is doing it... if my laptop turns off the monitor I can't turn it back on with mouse move or keyboard action... but if I close the lid (set to blank screen) and then reopen it it fires up? |
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| 09:28.55 | dacs | Bogus8 i can't not ping , but funny i can use the same ip to login to apache |
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| 09:29.29 | Bogus8 | dacs: hmm, is the port active (forwarded if behind NAT) is sshd running? |
| 09:30.27 | dacs | Bogus8 i can use putty to connect from inside the network |
| 09:30.42 | Bogus8 | dacs: then the problem is in your router |
| 09:30.50 | Bogus8 | configure the port in your router to be forwarded |
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| 09:31.02 | Isil`Zha | hallo. i wonder which distro to use and narrowed it down to debian and fedora. can someone please tell me why debian would be prefereable? this is to use for a beginner. |
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| 09:31.06 | dacs | Bogus8 it is |
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| 09:31.13 | Bogus8 | apparently not ;) |
| 09:31.41 | zeeble | Isil`Zha: debian is easy to update and manage. you spend more time doing what you need to work on, rather than on maintaining your system |
| 09:31.44 | Bogus8 | or something is blocking that port somewhere |
| 09:31.57 | dacs | Bogus8 i am looking at it right now and it is forworded |
| 09:32.12 | MisterMo | hi |
| 09:32.20 | Bogus8 | dacs: if you want you can give me your ip and I'll see if I can get it from here |
| 09:32.21 | xand | !why debian |
| 09:32.22 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 09:32.29 | Bogus8 | dacs: pm it |
| 09:32.35 | frimjon | I'm having such a hard time installing the unajr package. |
| 09:32.42 | Isil`Zha | zeeble: thanks |
| 09:32.44 | frimjon | I just don't know where to get it. |
| 09:32.55 | zeeble | unajr or unjar? |
| 09:33.05 | frimjon | zeeble: unajr |
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| 09:33.09 | zeeble | what's that? |
| 09:34.00 | frimjon | Hah |
| 09:34.03 | frimjon | There's my problem! |
| 09:34.10 | frimjon | I was spelling it incorrectly |
| 09:34.14 | zeeble | heh |
| 09:34.16 | frimjon | It's unarj :-) |
| 09:34.22 | zeeble | ah, ok |
| 09:34.32 | Isil`Zha | xand: thanks |
| 09:34.36 | frimjon | Ah, doh |
| 09:34.39 | frimjon | Didn't fix my problem. |
| 09:34.45 | frimjon | Still has no installation candidate |
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| 09:35.04 | chlue | Hello i tried to backup my /home-directory with pdumpfs, but I see no way to exclude certain directories (cache, trash,...) A descriction of the tool is here: http://0xcc.net/pdumpfs/. There is an example " --exclude-by-glob "*.wav" ", but that works based on filenames, not whole directories. Or is there another easy to setup tool, that someone can recommend me (daily incremental backups on another partition; preferred trough hadlinks, so I have |
| 09:35.04 | chlue | a complete backupdirectory for each day) |
| 09:35.13 | cahoot | aptitude search arj |
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| 09:35.34 | cahoot | frimjon, ^^ |
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| 09:38.17 | themill | chlue: I use rsnapshot. debian packaged incremental backups twice per day but each backup looks like a full backup thanks to a link farm. It's fantastic and saved me from complete disaster when my laptop was stolen a couple of months ago. |
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| 09:38.56 | themill | chlue: I highly recommend it for that sort of thing. It has a rich excludes and includes syntax (uses rsync) and can also pull from remove hosts via ssh/rsync too. |
| 09:39.13 | liable | hcy: depends on how you compiled the kernel last time as to what kind of image it is |
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| 09:39.28 | hcy | liable: shrug |
| 09:39.40 | chlue | themill: thanks, I will take a look |
| 09:39.46 | liable | hcy: how did you make it last time? |
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| 09:39.59 | hcy | probably with make, make install |
| 09:40.02 | themill | chlue: further details on rsnapshot.sf.net |
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| 09:40.28 | Bogus8 | frimjon: does arj not unpack arj files? |
| 09:40.35 | hcy | i don't remember using kpkg before. doesn't mean i didn't -- could just not remember. but i think i did it the manual way |
| 09:40.35 | liable | hcy: am compiling one now to see if kpkg baulks |
| 09:40.42 | hcy | liable: k, thanks |
| 09:40.48 | themill | chlue: your storage filesystem must be a unix like filesystem that does hard links though. It can't be ntfs or fat32 etc |
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| 09:40.53 | liable | if its a bzimage its unlikely it was made with kpkg |
| 09:41.08 | liable | unless it has a flag for bzimage, i have never used it |
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| 09:41.20 | mesof2 | xterm's geometry doesn't set by pixels? |
| 09:41.43 | themill | chlue: BTW It's also pretty fast... it rockets through my twice daily 80GB backup in about 10min and runs as a cron job |
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| 09:42.35 | liable | hcy: you still have the .18 installed? |
| 09:42.44 | hcy | liable: yeah |
| 09:43.00 | liable | hcy: you have been compiling while running the 22 ? |
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| 09:43.13 | hcy | liable: yes |
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| 09:44.06 | liable | hcy: ok, sec, gimme 5 this one appears to be compiling fine. next suggestion is to compile whilst running the 18, but wait till i see if this one works |
| 09:44.26 | hcy | liable: ok |
| 09:45.31 | Coke | Hello. I'm currently trying the tightvncserver (and it's X client), my x session starts icewm as wm, but the windows have no clickable borders nor buttons. How can I make the vnc client see the window top border? The result is that I cannot move windows with the mouse, nor close them. Only resize works. |
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| 09:45.39 | themill | Is there a way to ask postfix what it's going to unalias an address to? |
| 09:46.24 | nvz | if I got a sound file that is a song and people talking or singing along, how can I remove the song.. is there like some program I can make a "mask" of the song if I get an mp3 of it or something so I can cut that from the other mp3 stream? |
| 09:46.33 | KairuMaiku | Hmm, my firewall isn't fetching my debian box's hostname when I get the DHCP lease. |
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| 09:47.14 | liable | hcy: another interesting bug, i dunno what the security concerns are.. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=436267 |
| 09:47.18 | nvz | its a router.. if you want to play fetch get a dog |
| 09:47.34 | nvz | they have legs, which are more suitable for fetching |
| 09:47.40 | liable | hcy: have you looked into whether your app thats using the firewire has been updated? |
| 09:47.42 | KairuMaiku | nvz: it's a pc. not a router :| |
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| 09:47.57 | liable | hcy: not that this changes the kernel building borkage |
| 09:48.07 | KairuMaiku | nvz: because i am in a higher class than most home networks, i have a pc controlling my network and a 24-port switch |
| 09:48.27 | hcy | liable: interesting bug |
| 09:48.35 | nvz | KairuMaiku: heh.. I used to have a rackmount 36 port switch laying around |
| 09:48.43 | nvz | was way overkill for what I was doing |
| 09:48.50 | nvz | we're mostly wireless now |
| 09:48.50 | hcy | liable: hmmm no i haven't looked for an update to dvgrab, it works nicely so i didn't think of changing it. hmmm |
| 09:49.00 | piper69 | Bogus8 thank you i got it to work |
| 09:49.11 | Bogus8 | cool... no prob |
| 09:49.32 | themill | KairuMaiku: is your dhcp server running a dhcpd that you can configure or is it an opaque box? |
| 09:49.33 | DustyBin | ive just installed a big update to x on my debian server and now it boots with error messages but it still works.. |
| 09:50.11 | hcy | liable: looking into it now (i've been using dvgrab version 1.7) |
| 09:50.18 | KairuMaiku | themill: i just have an extra box running pfsense. works perfect. |
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| 09:50.29 | KairuMaiku | themill: have a transparent squid proxy and a few useful doodads on there too |
| 09:51.15 | themill | KairuMaiku: dhclient.conf can try to push the hostname but the dhcp server still has to play ball. |
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| 09:52.00 | KairuMaiku | themill: usually it does. i have no idea why it's acting up today |
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| 09:52.08 | abchirk | hi themill :) |
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| 09:54.32 | chlue | themill: Ok one question regarding rsnapshot arrives. I set the update intervall directly with rsnapshot, but it needs to be called by cron (my system does not run 24h a day, so I use anacron). Will it get trouble if the system was down for three days, but i set daily backups? |
| 09:55.21 | DustyBin | strange, the error cured itself |
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| 09:57.50 | themill | chlue: rsnapshot doesn't keep track of the update intervals it only tracks the number of updates. So I tell it to keep 8 "hourly" updates and 7 "daily" updates, but the "hourly" updates only run twice per day so the "daily" actually means "4 days" and then "weekly" actually means "28 days". The config for rsnapshot just tells it for how many backup cycles to keep the backups before it starts to thin them down. |
| 09:58.14 | snowbird | themill howdy |
| 09:58.32 | themill | 'morning snowbird, abchirk |
| 09:58.43 | snowbird | hey i got router ? |
| 09:58.59 | abchirk | I dont know :D |
| 09:59.46 | liable | hcy: kernel still compiling, it should have baulked by now, boot the 18 and try kpkg from that one |
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| 10:00.14 | hcy | liable: ok |
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| 10:00.55 | snowbird | liable i cant rember how to setup static ip on etch |
| 10:01.07 | liable | snowbird: why do you need to? |
| 10:01.10 | themill | !tell snowbird about interfaces |
| 10:01.36 | liable | why the hell is my box taking so long to compile a kernel. |
| 10:01.39 | smi | Is there a console based music player that I could stream to Icecast server with ? |
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| 10:02.12 | chlue | themill: perfect. So it should work flawless with my external harddrive, too. Only that the value of this backups is defined by my laziness. |
| 10:02.16 | themill | snowbird: But think twice before you start editing text files. You usually seem to have lots of difficulties doing so, so I would suggest not doing so if you don't need to. |
| 10:03.11 | themill | chlue: as long as you've got ext3 or similar on the external hdd then yes. And through cron it all just happens on its own which is the best thing. Backups where you have to do something don't happen so aren't worth much ;) |
| 10:03.15 | snowbird | themill i have new router have to config it stati |
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| 10:06.11 | snowbird | tell abought static |
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| 10:07.07 | chlue | themill: yes the external hdd is ext3 formated. I know manually starting the backup process isn't be best idea, but i don't want to keep the exernal hdd plugged in the whole time. So I plan to make daily backups to a second internal harddrive, too. This will be at least a lot better than the monthy burning of some kind of CD ;-) |
| 10:08.58 | themill | chlue: fair enough. I have it mounted and then unmounted at the end of each backup in the cron job... |
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| 10:09.59 | themill | but you're right. anything is better than spending a day or two burning cds |
| 10:10.38 | solar_sea | I've added a deb-src line for sid accourding to 'simple sid backport' from dpkg, did apt-get update, but then apt-get -b source somepackage still downloads sources from lenny. how can I make it dl. from sid ? |
| 10:10.46 | snowbird | themill on router best is static |
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| 10:12.01 | themill | solar_sea: -t unstable , I think |
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| 10:12.48 | solar_sea | doesn't work with either -t sid or -t unstable |
| 10:13.05 | themill | solar_sea: what's the package? |
| 10:13.33 | solar_sea | libevent |
| 10:13.42 | hcy | liable: i'm in .18 now, trying the kpkg |
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| 10:14.49 | themill | solar_sea: it's the same version in sid and lenny atm |
| 10:15.28 | solar_sea | ah, okey |
| 10:17.10 | honschu | Hi, due to bug 374062, in need to patch stable-libfreetype6. Therefore I did "apt-get source libfreetype6", did the patch and what should I do next? I also want that this new package to stay installed, also when there is a ... |
| 10:17.10 | honschu | newer on the official-servers. |
| 10:17.23 | liable | hcy: mine compiled ok. be interesting to see how yours goes |
| 10:17.32 | jmdc | I want to change the metadata (specifically creation date) of many jpegs. Is there anything in the repository that will be of use? |
| 10:17.39 | hcy | liable: yep. it's compiling, we'll see |
| 10:19.04 | liable | hcy: i suspect some linkage fuckage with the 22 debian image |
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| 10:20.22 | arachnist | hi |
| 10:20.46 | arachnist | why does 'apt-get install lighttpd lighttpd-mod-webdav' want to replace gamin with fam on my sid? |
| 10:21.15 | themill | arachnist: here we go again... the bloody fam/gamin thing |
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| 10:21.47 | arachnist | yup ;P |
| 10:22.29 | themill | lighttpd depends on libfam0 |
| 10:22.45 | arachnist | but it does work perfectly fine with gamin on my gentoo boxes |
| 10:23.12 | arachnist | (or should i say, gentoo vservers) |
| 10:23.50 | themill | arachnist: try doing it without recommends (whatever the new syntax for apt-get is) |
| 10:24.46 | hcy | liable: fun |
| 10:24.46 | arachnist | themill: libfam isn't in recommended, it's a hard dep |
| 10:26.01 | liable | hcy: yeah, well, thats sid. I am interested to know wtf is doing it, and if yours compiles (i suspect it will) then we are a bit closer to working it out |
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| 10:26.30 | hcy | liable: k, i'll let you know when it finishes |
| 10:27.23 | themill | arachnist: but libfam has fam as a recommend and gamin conflicts with fam.... ;) |
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| 10:28.04 | arachnist | themill: ok, so where can i find this new apt-get syntax thingny? |
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| 10:28.18 | themill | if you're running sid already, then man apt-get |
| 10:28.40 | themill | see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=438058 |
| 10:29.40 | themill | arachnist: and if you're running sid, you really should be able to find that bug yourself and work out what to do.... I know you like to live on the bleeding edge and do things the hard way (you use gentoo), but we expect sid users to be self-supporting for the most part. |
| 10:30.04 | peregrine007 | hey all i downloaded a .deb file, but apt-get install wont recognize it what am i missing: |
| 10:30.28 | peregrine007 | got acetone .deb file from here |
| 10:30.30 | peregrine007 | http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=179686&release_id=531474 |
| 10:30.47 | zeeble | man dpkg. look for the -i option |
| 10:31.21 | arachnist | themill: well, aside from that fam annoyance, i've dealt with most of my sid issues myself. thanks anyway |
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| 10:31.51 | themill | arachnist: that's ok. Are you subscribed to d-d-a. I'd recommend it. |
| 10:31.54 | peregrine007 | ok, it tells me what prereqa i'm missing |
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| 10:32.00 | peregrine007 | prereq's |
| 10:32.15 | zeeble | so get those with apt-get |
| 10:32.31 | peregrine007 | any way besides one at a time, there's a half dozen |
| 10:32.52 | zeeble | apt-get install 1 2 3 4 5 6 |
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| 10:33.53 | arachnist | themill: d-d-a? |
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| 10:34.29 | arachnist | not the 'disability discrimination act' i suppose... |
| 10:34.30 | arachnist | ;> |
| 10:34.40 | peregrine007 | tried to install one it advises me to apt-get install -f |
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| 10:34.53 | peregrine007 | its downloading some prequeqs i think |
| 10:35.17 | peregrine007 | dcobb@Luna:~/downloads$ sudo apt-get install konqueror |
| 10:35.19 | peregrine007 | Reading package lists... Done |
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| 10:35.20 | peregrine007 | Building dependency tree |
| 10:35.22 | peregrine007 | Reading state information... Done |
| 10:35.23 | peregrine007 | You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 10:35.27 | xand | !paste |
| 10:35.27 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 10:35.32 | Braindead | wtf konqueror as a prereq? |
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| 10:35.44 | arachnist | ah, debian-devel |
| 10:36.10 | peregrine007 | it all started when i wanted to open a daa file |
| 10:36.17 | peregrine007 | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/extract-convert-mount-iso-bin-daa-nrg.html |
| 10:36.30 | peregrine007 | o sorry bout th epaste |
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| 10:42.01 | alfatau | hello, do you know a working method to mount an ftp server as a local directory? |
| 10:42.24 | wAndyw78 | Hi at all. Is there a little script which scans an existing kernel config and the output from lsmod, lspci, lsusb ... and modifies a kernel config that only the needed modules are built? |
| 10:43.00 | petemc | wAndyw78: most people just use packaged kernels now |
| 10:43.16 | wAndyw78 | yes, i was one of these |
| 10:43.17 | petemc | alfatau: theres a way to do what with fuse |
| 10:43.35 | wAndyw78 | but I often need some special kernel patches (HP Laptop) |
| 10:45.02 | alfatau | petemc: ok, i found it way too, but how to with a 2.6 kernel version? i found only 2.4 patches... :( |
| 10:45.14 | wAndyw78 | and then I use a packaged kernel, boot this and look what modules are used for example. Then I download the vanilla kernel source, apply patches "make oldconfig" and build only the modules which I really need |
| 10:46.32 | wAndyw78 | and this work: look which hardware is used, which filesystems are used nad so one, could theoretically be done by a script |
| 10:46.43 | bzed | dondelelcaro: are you around? |
| 10:48.10 | themill | ! seen dondelelcaro |
| 10:48.10 | dpkg | dondelelcaro is currently on #debian-ops #debian #debian-bots. Has said a total of 65 messages. Is idling for 7h 37m 50s, last said: '(we don't really do release candidates)'. |
| 10:48.21 | themill | bzed: take that as a no |
| 10:48.42 | honschu | Hi, due to bug 374062, in need to patch stable-libfreetype6. Therefore I did "apt-get source libfreetype6", did the patch and what should I do next? I also want that this new package to stay installed, also when there is a ... |
| 10:48.42 | honschu | newer on the official-servers. |
| 10:49.01 | bzed | themill: he'll wake up... soon or later ;) |
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| 10:51.56 | themill | honschu: either put the package on hold or pin it to prevent upgrade. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/20 |
| 10:54.25 | TiMiDo | !tv |
| 10:54.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tv is KILL YOUR TELEVISION! (by watching it until it burns out) |
| 10:55.50 | Turquoiser | dpkg: run for your life! |
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| 10:57.33 | wfq | hello |
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| 11:01.48 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
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| 11:02.59 | Fox_1_ | people I couldn't make debian repository mirror, be cause I couldn't find good documentation about that. can anyone help me??? |
| 11:03.33 | wAndyw78 | do you want to create a full mirror or only an apt-cache ? |
| 11:03.39 | themill | !debmirror |
| 11:03.39 | dpkg | debmirror is probably a method of mirroring apt repositories on debian. |
| 11:04.42 | themill | !apt-cacher |
| 11:04.42 | dpkg | methinks apt-cacher is a caching proxy designed specifically for use by Apt. at http://www.apt-cacher.org/, or a nifty tool |
| 11:04.47 | Fox_1_ | thats package? |
| 11:05.00 | themill | !tell Fox_1_ about search |
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| 11:05.21 | themill | !wb |
| 11:05.22 | dpkg | thanks, themill. It's good to be back. |
| 11:05.24 | wAndyw78 | a stupid question: :-( which flag is changed whe I use nautilus "properties" "excecutable" ? |
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| 11:05.38 | themill | x |
| 11:05.55 | wAndyw78 | chmod u+x is not he same as when I use nautilus |
| 11:06.06 | wAndyw78 | or chmod u-x |
| 11:06.17 | themill | what does it do then? |
| 11:06.28 | jelly-home | wAndyw78: maybe it's all of them x bits |
| 11:06.32 | TiMiDo | !sex |
| 11:06.32 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install diaphram; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 11:06.33 | themill | can you show me ls -l for before and after? |
| 11:06.44 | Fox_1_ | !stop |
| 11:06.44 | wAndyw78 | -rw-r--r-- 1 andy andy 5006 2007-08-16 22:16 bericht.tex |
| 11:06.44 | dpkg | Hammertime! |
| 11:06.47 | themill | TiMiDo: be nice to the bot... |
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| 11:07.05 | wAndyw78 | there the flag in nautilus "executable" is set |
| 11:07.05 | linomix | íÍäá ÃÔÉÉËÞáÅåÉË |
| 11:07.07 | TiMiDo | !lart TheMagician |
| 11:07.15 | linomix | dpkg HammerTime |
| 11:07.17 | honschu | How to generate a patch/diff file the debian way? I changed code in "/tmp/freetype/freetype-2.2.1/src/..." |
| 11:08.04 | themill | wAndyw78: it's probably the equiv of chmod a+x |
| 11:08.21 | wAndyw78 | and the same if the flag isn't set. If I use chmod u+x bericht.tex: it is -rwxr--r-- as expected |
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| 11:09.16 | wAndyw78 | themill: no, already tried this. I can't see any changes in "ls -l" |
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| 11:10.14 | themill | wtf? I'm not a gnome user, I use kde where thankfully "usability" hasn't been implemented at the expense of actually doing what you expect it to do. yet. |
| 11:10.40 | wAndyw78 | Nautilus can set falgs for user, group & other. If I change some flags I see the result with "ls -l" but not the executable flag, strange |
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| 11:11.30 | jelly-home | maybe nautilus "knows" that TeX files need not have executable permissions :-| |
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| 11:12.26 | themill | bloody hell.... why do I need to install evolution-data-server to install nautilus? and gstreamer0.10-plugins-good and metacity. What bollox. |
| 11:12.43 | wAndyw78 | The Problem occours If I copy a tex file from fat16 to ext3. If I use then nautilus an double clicks the tex file, it complains "Its an executable textfile, should I execute or open the file?" |
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| 11:13.45 | wAndyw78 | of cource it can't be executet, so I remove the executable flag manually with nautilus. But this should also work on console.... |
| 11:14.16 | ivh | I want to build the new gimp 2.4-rc1 and it wnats a newer libgtk2.0-dev than the one in etch. Is there a "debian way" of handling this, like getting the source from the lenny package and build it with apt? |
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| 11:14.51 | hark | themill: no you don't iirc |
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| 11:16.26 | SoulChild | Hey all,.. just installed a command line system and than added gnome-core and xorg,... but after gdm login metacity seems not to be started,... any ideas ? |
| 11:16.30 | jelly-home | ivh: perhaps it's backported already: backports.org, and if not, /msg dpkg simple sid backport -> apply it to gtk, then to after building and installing the newer gtk. gimp |
| 11:16.33 | aramdune | Hello. I have debian Etch and want to upgrade to Lenny. I read the manual and made the nencessary modifications. I have a line like this in sources.list: "deb ftp://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free", however, at aptitude update I get errors like this: "Err ftp://security.debian.org lenny/updates/non-free Packages |
| 11:16.33 | aramdune | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.11 | Fox_1_ | people debmirror gives this kind of error "gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found" |
| 11:17.18 | Fox_1_ | what to do? |
| 11:17.19 | hark | aramdune: that's just for etch |
| 11:17.25 | liable | aramdune: change lenny to testing |
| 11:17.36 | chlue | themill: Can you give me an working example of an exclude rule in rsnapshot.conf? My " exclude '/home/username/.local/share/Trash' " does not work. |
| 11:18.07 | aramdune | hark, so I should remove updates line completely? |
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| 11:18.34 | ivh | jelly-home: thx. it's not on bp.o. I'll try the other way you mentioned. :) |
| 11:18.59 | liable | much pain to be had is that way |
| 11:19.09 | jelly-home | chlue: the exclude rules need to be relative to the rsynced path, I think |
| 11:19.12 | hark | aramdune: yes, that's the way it now faik |
| 11:19.24 | liable | no |
| 11:19.30 | liable | testing has security |
| 11:19.38 | SoulChild | i have no window borders ,.. why is metacity not starting after GDM Login ??? |
| 11:19.39 | jelly-home | chlue: backup root@foo.bar.com:/usr/ foo/ exclude=src/redhat/BUILD |
| 11:19.40 | liable | s/lenny/testing/ |
| 11:19.40 | aramdune | liable, I did what you told and it works |
| 11:19.49 | aramdune | thanks |
| 11:19.55 | aramdune | erm |
| 11:19.55 | aramdune | no |
| 11:20.03 | aramdune | it doesn't, same error |
| 11:20.24 | jelly-home | aramdune: you could just ignore it? |
| 11:20.32 | liable | aramdune: remove non-free security doesnt cover it |
| 11:20.53 | themill | chlue: remove the quotes and make sure you have a tab in there (I think) |
| 11:21.00 | liable | well, if my shitty memory serves me right |
| 11:21.02 | themill | chlue: the absolute path is fine |
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| 11:21.40 | wAndyw78 | okay. I've found it. I had opened the tex file in texmaker. And yes, the executable setting in nautilus means chmod a+x / chmod a-x. But why differs the behaviour between nautilus and chmod ? |
| 11:21.43 | aramdune | liable, the problem is in main too: "Err ftp://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Sources |
| 11:21.43 | aramdune | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.20 | themill | wAndyw78: what does what differ between nautilus and chmod? |
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| 11:22.44 | liable | meh, it does do non-free, my memory sucks |
| 11:22.45 | jelly-home | aramdune: btw, why are you using ftp:// instead of http:// protocol? |
| 11:23.12 | aramdune | jelly-home, it was http in the first place but tried with ftp to see if that works |
| 11:23.17 | liable | ah, that'll do it |
| 11:23.30 | liable | !testing security |
| 11:23.30 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny. |
| 11:24.04 | liable | supposed to work.. obvioulsy theres a glitch in the matrix |
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| 11:25.10 | chlue | themill: arrg sorry. It was working. I just checked the daily.x instead of daily.0. Have to get used, that it does not count up :-) |
| 11:25.20 | aramdune | so should I ignore it and it will just magically fix itself after some time? |
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| 11:25.56 | Crypticfortune | i thought i should be able to rip an audio cd to an iso file with something like "dd if=/dev/scd0 of=/tmp/foo.iso" right? why does that give me "reading `/dev/scd0': Input/output error"? |
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| 11:26.08 | hark | aramdune: no it won't |
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| 11:26.16 | themill | chlue: it rotates them just like log files, so .0 is always the most recent. |
| 11:26.29 | wAndyw78 | to reproduce: touch test.tex; open with texmaker; use nautilus to set test.tex executable; go to console and make "chmod a-x test.tex"; use nautilus to show the file flags -> executable flag IS set. but ls -l shows that it isn't set. Close texmaker an double click on test.tex in nautilus "executable testfile warning" appears |
| 11:26.38 | aramdune | Crypticfortune, audio cd's are not ISO files afaik. |
| 11:26.47 | aramdune | it's a different type of cd |
| 11:26.54 | hark | oh wait |
| 11:27.34 | Crypticfortune | aramdune: ahh yes, split by tracks isnt exactly transparent at like a byte reading level i guess... |
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| 11:27.49 | chlue | themill: I know, but the other tool i used counted up. Its hard to drop old habits. Anyway, thanks for helping me get a good solution working. |
| 11:27.54 | liable | i think i am gonna have to blow the weasel away, its shitting me to tears |
| 11:28.04 | themill | chlue: np. enjoy ;) |
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| 11:29.27 | aramdune | the error seems to be this I thinkl? "Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch" |
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| 11:32.05 | jelly-home | aramdune: weird. remove /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org* and try updating again |
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| 11:33.46 | wAndyw78 | themil: can you reproduce this? |
| 11:34.06 | aramdune | jelly-home, same error |
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| 11:34.27 | jelly-home | aramdune: are you using a cache or proxy of some sort? |
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| 11:34.37 | aramdune | jelly-home, no |
| 11:35.03 | jelly-home | aramdune: what ip does security.debian.org resolve to? |
| 11:35.30 | alfatau | hello, do you know a good free online storage compatible to run automated rsync backups? |
| 11:35.32 | aramdune | security.debian.org has address 212.211.132.250 |
| 11:35.32 | aramdune | security.debian.org has address 128.31.0.36 |
| 11:35.32 | aramdune | security.debian.org has address 212.211.132.32 |
| 11:35.33 | wAndyw78 | Ah, after closing all folders and reopen it, nautilus updated the flags |
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| 11:36.00 | jelly-home | alfatau: free? |
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| 11:36.17 | TiMiDo | !Mythtv |
| 11:36.18 | dpkg | mythtv is probably software to turn a Linux box into a complete multi-media entertainment recording and playback center supporting, given the right hardware, TV, movies, music, and more. http://www.mythtv.org. Not in Debian due to non-free parts. Unofficial packages can be found in <debian-multimedia>. For tuner card drivers, see <bttv> and <ivtv> |
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| 11:37.00 | aramdune | jelly-home, I can see it resolvs to multiple IP adresses but I use only one (128.31.0.36) |
| 11:37.50 | alfatau | jelly-home: if someone know yes... i'm looking for a free alternative to rsync.net solutions... |
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| 11:38.35 | petemc | alfatau: you want someone to reliably store data for you for free? |
| 11:38.47 | jelly-home | aramdune: could be that one mirror has barfed files, lemme try it |
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| 11:39.48 | harpal | how to remount / filesystem with rw permissions? |
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| 11:39.54 | jelly-home | aramdune: works for me! I guess you have a proxy hidden somewhere. |
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| 11:40.10 | abrotman | or a routing issue |
| 11:40.18 | aramdune | it *could* be that my ISP uses a transparent proxy |
| 11:40.35 | alfatau | petemc: yes, i've not needs about great bandwidth usage or space... |
| 11:40.44 | jelly-home | how would routing issues result in flaky bits in http downloads? |
| 11:41.13 | abrotman | oh .. i thought he couldn't get there at all |
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| 11:41.35 | jelly-home | aramdune: try forcing one of other two IP addresses for s.d.o in your /etc/hosts, then remove the lists files again and do an update |
| 11:41.44 | liable | harpal: you need to fix the reason why its ro first |
| 11:41.51 | aramdune | that's what I am trying |
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| 11:43.10 | themill | I have a box with a stock etch install (updated to r1) and the vanilla sources.list with KDE installed. aptitude -R install nautilus tries to uninstall half the box. wtf? aptitude output here: http://pastebin.ca/660937 |
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| 11:43.59 | aramdune | jelly-home, apprently that worked. i forced security.debian.org to resolve to a different adress in /etc/hosts |
| 11:44.00 | liable | themill: unmark it as auto, or much easier, purge aptitude and reinstall |
| 11:44.12 | jelly-home | themill: what about apt-get -s install nautilus, any better? |
| 11:44.19 | abrotman | themill: why do you have talk installed?! |
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| 11:44.42 | themill | abrotman: stuffed if I know... something must have pulled it as a dep somewhere along the way. |
| 11:44.51 | jelly-home | aramdune: sounds like it's a proxy, then |
| 11:45.15 | abrotman | hehe .. ktalkd |
| 11:45.28 | themill | interestingly, aptitude install nautilus tries to pull in a lot more gnome rubbish (240MB of it) but doesn't remove anything/ |
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| 11:45.32 | abrotman | jelly-home: that 128 host has issues sometimes |
| 11:45.32 | aramdune | yes, I always tought my ISP is using a transparent proxy. I don't think that is mentioned anywhere in my contract. |
| 11:45.33 | hark | themill: try adding "-o Aptitude::Keep-Recommends=true" and see |
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| 11:45.56 | jelly-home | aramdune: you may want to mention it now :-) |
| 11:46.08 | themill | jelly-home: apt-get behaves itself now |
| 11:46.21 | themill | jelly-home: err... apt-get behaves itself |
| 11:46.22 | jelly-home | themill: yah, aptitude sux |
| 11:47.58 | themill | hark: that works too. |
| 11:48.22 | jelly-home | themill: if I use it exclusively, it usually behaves better than apt-get, but sometimes it's just dumb |
| 11:48.35 | abrotman | not dumb .. too smart for its own good |
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| 11:48.56 | jelly-home | abrotman: no, dumb. it also behaves differently in command line and ui. |
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| 11:49.06 | abrotman | i don't use the UI .. wouldn't know |
| 11:49.06 | themill | jelly-home: this was a freshly installed etch box and I was careful to only ever use aptitude on it... |
| 11:49.12 | hark | now with sid's apt-get this shouldn't be a problem anymore |
| 11:49.29 | alexfranci | i'm tring to install a pp printer on a print server, but i can't choose parallel port during the web installation. why? |
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| 11:49.52 | themill | hark: you think? my problem was that I was trying to turn off auto-installing-recommends |
| 11:49.58 | jelly-home | abrotman: I think there was a case, when you started the ui, things would get fixed magically with command line after that |
| 11:50.29 | hark | themill: was mentionaing the other problem where you mix both apt-get and aptitude |
| 11:50.31 | abrotman | this can't be good ... |
| 11:50.46 | themill | hark: ok, I understand |
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| 11:51.04 | jelly-home | themill: hm, if you haven't used apt at all, check in BTS for similar issues. |
| 11:51.16 | hark | themill: this was probably because aptitude treated the -R as a global flag, so all packages installed as recommends were removed (at least i think so) |
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| 11:52.38 | jelly-home | hark: oh yes, -R _is_ global. And I think the flag is remembered after you use it once |
| 11:52.54 | jelly-home | not really intuitive |
| 11:53.06 | hark | there is a very old bts bug about this. but seems to be fixed too here in sid's version :) |
| 11:53.09 | themill | hark: yeah, I figured that must be the case given your -o test |
| 11:53.27 | themill | abrotman: ui vs cli usage: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=299009#10 |
| 11:53.31 | harpal | When Itry to mount my othe partition than it gives me its already mounted or its busy |
| 11:53.39 | hark | !dbugs 143532 |
| 11:53.42 | dpkg | #143532:W[aptitude] aptitude: --without-suggests and --without-recommends removes packages; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 23:48:03 UTC |
| 11:53.52 | jelly-home | !win hark |
| 11:53.52 | dpkg | Congratulations, hark! You have won a one way ticket to Baghdad! |
| 11:54.10 | hark | heh, a new one |
| 11:54.36 | abrotman | themill: that's a fairly old bug |
| 11:54.43 | jelly-home | !literal win |
| 11:54.43 | dpkg | "win" is "lose." |
| 11:55.00 | abrotman | harpal: other partition ? |
| 11:55.21 | themill | abrotman: yep... aptitude has a lot of fairly old bugs :( Bit of a worry for debian's new "preferred package mangement frontend" |
| 11:55.25 | abrotman | alexfranci: you can't what ? |
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| 11:55.50 | jelly-home | themill: hey, at least it's NEW crap! |
| 11:55.52 | harpal | abrotman I have two disk one is at /dev/sda and other is on /dev/sdb |
| 11:56.03 | abrotman | themill: if it makes you feel better .. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=dpkg |
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| 11:56.05 | harpal | I am try to mount /dev/sdb1 partition |
| 11:56.24 | abrotman | harpal: i thought your system was read-only |
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| 11:56.49 | themill | abrotman: it doesn't... |
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| 11:57.00 | harpal | how to change that readonly |
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| 11:57.11 | abrotman | harpal: liable told you |
| 11:57.26 | alexfranci | abrotman i can choose parallel port in the web installation |
| 11:57.36 | alexfranci | *i can't |
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| 11:58.29 | abrotman | web installation ? |
| 11:58.34 | abrotman | for cups ? |
| 11:59.11 | alexfranci | abrotman yes. cups web server, port 631 |
| 11:59.25 | harpal | abrotmana: liable doesnt told me? |
| 11:59.26 | avtobiff | abrotman, localhost port 631 |
| 11:59.30 | abrotman | alexfranci: is the printer port kernel module loaded |
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| 12:00.15 | alexfranci | abrotman localhost:~# lsmod |grep lp |
| 12:00.15 | abrotman | <liable> harpal: you need to fix the reason why its ro first |
| 12:00.15 | alexfranci | lp 10948 0 |
| 12:00.15 | alexfranci | parport 32200 3 ppdev,lp,parport_pc |
| 12:00.49 | abrotman | alexfranci: check the cups documentation |
| 12:01.12 | harpal | ok thanx |
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| 12:06.20 | alexfranci | abrotman i used the shell. now it works |
| 12:06.40 | abrotman | stupid web! |
| 12:07.29 | alexfranci | abrotman i agree :D |
| 12:08.32 | jelly-home | themill: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=424932 suggests to add "-o Aptitude::Keep-Recommends=true" to the command-line |
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| 12:09.06 | SoulChild | hey all |
| 12:09.07 | SoulChild | Metacity does not start automaticcly, what did i do wrong when installing it? i installed gnome-core xorg and gdm ,... but i always have to start metacity manually after login :( |
| 12:10.19 | themill | jelly-home: yay... so very comforting. I guess I'll either get good at typing that or work out a config file to put that in fairly quickly. |
| 12:10.46 | SoulChild | :( nobody wants to help me |
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| 12:11.10 | jelly-home | SoulChild: patience, grasshopper |
| 12:11.33 | themill | SoulChild: console login or graphical login? |
| 12:11.50 | SoulChild | themill: GDM |
| 12:12.20 | themill | SoulChild: and what comes up after login? just a blank xterm or something? |
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| 12:12.51 | SoulChild | themill: no GNome starts but i have no window bords and have to type metacity in terminal |
| 12:12.52 | snowbird | new router had to call tech its not stitic on deb |
| 12:12.59 | SoulChild | *bords=borders |
| 12:13.02 | snowbird | so i have to check that |
| 12:13.03 | jelly-home | hmph, can someone in US nslookup www.gunnerkrieg.com? Looks like dreamhosts' DNS croaked |
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| 12:13.22 | jelly-home | sorry, www.gunnerkrigg.com |
| 12:13.36 | abrotman | $ nslookup www.gunnerkrigg.com |
| 12:13.36 | abrotman | ;; Got SERVFAIL reply from 24.104.54.86, trying next server |
| 12:14.11 | jelly-home | thanks |
| 12:14.32 | abrotman | for telling your that your stuff is broken? :) |
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| 12:14.36 | jelly-home | and how I have your DNS ip. bwahahaha. |
| 12:14.43 | chlue | I just copy files to my external hdd (over usb) and while my cpu-usage claims 50%, the load is at 8 and the system feels like a 386er. Is this 'normal' for high-speed-usb (because of polling??), or have I probably wrong system settings? |
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| 12:14.54 | jelly-home | abrotman: not my stuff, but yes |
| 12:15.02 | superman | hi..how many /usr/sbin/sshd should exist in normal environment? |
| 12:15.26 | jelly-home | superman: processes? |
| 12:15.26 | abrotman | jelly-home: that's not mine |
| 12:15.32 | superman | jelly-home, yes sir |
| 12:15.37 | themill | SoulChild: hmmm.. that's bizarre. Do you have a ~/.gnome2/session file? |
| 12:15.48 | SoulChild | themill: i ll check |
| 12:15.52 | jelly-home | superman: 1 master plus one for each established connection |
| 12:16.03 | abrotman | jelly-home: well .. it's not my box anyways |
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| 12:16.11 | abrotman | hrm .. that sounds bad |
| 12:16.15 | petemc | chlue: thats common behaviour, it kinda sucks |
| 12:16.25 | SoulChild | themill: the folder exists but there is no session file |
| 12:17.03 | superman | so is "sshd" a built in group or was it added by someone? |
| 12:17.06 | themill | SoulChild: If you log in, start metacity and then say "save session" from the Gnome menu thingy does that help? |
| 12:17.13 | jelly-home | abrotman: the hosting provider's DNS servers are dead, all three of them. I guess Gunnerkrigg Court will be changing providers shortly |
| 12:17.30 | SoulChild | themill: hmm i ll try |
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| 12:17.46 | abrotman | jelly-home: do you really think it's three different machines .. or one with three IPs ? |
| 12:17.56 | jelly-home | abrotman: heh. |
| 12:18.01 | g_re | Hi, suddenly an ssl certificate dissapeared for my ftp-server, how can I make one manually? |
| 12:18.02 | abrotman | jelly-home: or perhaps they have network issues |
| 12:18.04 | themill | piss poor if you're right, abrotman |
| 12:18.10 | SoulChild | themill: can u check if you have a metacity entry in autostarted apps ? |
| 12:18.15 | abrotman | themill: wouldn't be the first time i've seen it |
| 12:18.22 | jelly-home | abrotman: they respond to ping |
| 12:18.26 | abrotman | oh .. ick |
| 12:18.30 | themill | SoulChild: I don't use gnome at all |
| 12:18.38 | SoulChild | hmm |
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| 12:19.36 | themill | SoulChild: try creating a session file with this in http://tinyurl.com/37lggn |
| 12:19.58 | SoulChild | themill: i ll try ,.. thanks for careing |
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| 12:26.09 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:26.10 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd80 is <toresbe> Holy shit! <toresbe> My Ultra 1 is streaming kernel panics! <toresbe> oh crap - It's the BSOD screensaver <toresbe> I fall for that motherfucker every time |
| 12:26.33 | Kartoffelsalat | exist a pypanel tray plugin (?) - or which tray-apps exist? (non-kde/gnome/xfce) |
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| 12:27.45 | berzerka | hi guys. while doing fsck.ext3 on a disk i get: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read) while doing inode scan. does this mean the disk is broken, can it be repaired in any way? |
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| 12:28.03 | berzerka | not the disk, but the filesystem.. |
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| 12:31.45 | ivh | jelly-home: I did the backport in that standard way, but the remaining package conflicts with the installed versions of other packages. That should not happen, should it? |
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| 12:32.17 | jelly-home | ivh: which one, gimp or libgtk* ? |
| 12:32.49 | superman | is openssl installed by default with debian? |
| 12:33.03 | ivh | libgtk2.0-0 that was built conflicts with libgnomeui-0 (<= 2.14.1-3) |
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| 12:34.10 | jelly-home | ivh: uh, sucks to be you. You can look into the changelog and see why was that introduced, then delete the Conflicts from the backport's control and see what breaks :-) |
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| 12:34.14 | themill | superman: it's installed if any package needs it. |
| 12:34.24 | themill | !tell superman about search |
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| 12:34.46 | ivh | "apt-get -b source libgtk2.0-dev" built several packages but they depend on the new libgtk2.0-0 which is uninstallable. |
| 12:35.33 | ivh | jelly-home: yeah - I got into debendancy hell now. :-) |
| 12:35.50 | ivh | well, I made it out of there a few times before. ;) |
| 12:36.03 | jelly-home | ivh: eh, it's simple to fix, just force installation of libgtk2.0-0 from stable |
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| 12:36.44 | avtobiff | how do i check what ssh fingerprint a server has? |
| 12:36.48 | ivh | jelly-home: yes... I'll do that. |
| 12:36.54 | jelly-home | ivh: I'd just delete that conflicts, repack and see what happens |
| 12:37.00 | petemc | avtobiff: ssh to it |
| 12:37.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | Here's a very simple question (I know I'm a newb :P): How do I connect to telnet on a specific port? Just adding :1234 (if that is the port number) to the end of the IP? |
| 12:37.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | And yes, I know that telnet is a joke |
| 12:37.13 | ivh | jelly-home: did that - there is at least one other conflict ;) |
| 12:37.16 | petemc | Dark_Apostrophe: no colon telnet host 21 |
| 12:37.20 | MreX | hi, i need a web browser that works without X (ie via ssh), but i need to see jpegs (for that anti-bot thing where you have to type in what you see in the picture) - elinks and lynx don't do it. what will do the trick? |
| 12:37.22 | loesh | Dark_Apostrophe, use space instead of : |
| 12:37.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, thanks |
| 12:37.26 | avtobiff | petemc, yes but it has changed. i want to check if the server has the same etc. |
| 12:37.30 | DustyBin | how do you get firefox to launch a terminal + mplayer and play a radio stream? i cannot seem to find a launch command option on firefox |
| 12:37.31 | themill | petemc: I think the question was how do you verify that the fingerprint is ok |
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| 12:37.44 | petemc | themill: yeah, i guessed as much |
| 12:37.44 | avtobiff | or actually the host key differs from the ip key |
| 12:37.46 | ivh | jelly-home: and I'm a little scared what happend when I remove them all and install the package ;) |
| 12:37.48 | jelly-home | ivh: of course, installing a new slightly binary incompatible GTK+ might result in hell breaking loose :-) |
| 12:38.19 | jelly-home | ivh: maybe your Gnome stuff and GDM won't work. Maybe your .config/ directory gets eaten. |
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| 12:38.43 | Apachez | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz MD5Sum mismatch |
| 12:38.47 | Apachez | is this known ? |
| 12:38.51 | ivh | jelly-home: exactly. I think I'll abort the experiment and revert to the stable packages. the new gimp is not _that_ important ;) |
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| 12:39.10 | ivh | jelly-home: thanks anyway. |
| 12:39.11 | themill | petemc: :) |
| 12:39.23 | jelly-home | ivh: you can always install a new gtk and gimp into /opt/mycrap |
| 12:39.54 | jelly-home | ivh: no packaging, just the plain old from-source |
| 12:40.02 | Kartoffelsalat | is the blender-release in the offical sid sources the same release as the official blender 2.44@blender.com? |
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| 12:40.22 | ivh | jelly-home: sure, but thats too much work ;) |
| 12:40.26 | jetscreamer | Apachez: it's known that it seems to be happening a bit lately.. try changing the word etch to stable in the security line, or vice-versa |
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| 12:40.43 | abrotman | jetscreamer: he's using testing |
| 12:40.58 | jetscreamer | duh |
| 12:41.04 | abrotman | indeed |
| 12:41.06 | jetscreamer | ok change it to testing |
| 12:41.19 | jetscreamer | or whatever |
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| 12:42.08 | chlue | MreX: ssh -X to forward the programm to yur local x-server isn't an option for you? |
| 12:42.38 | jetscreamer | works here |
| 12:42.59 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: the problem above was an ISP's trans.proxy |
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| 12:43.24 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: worked around by forcing s.d.o ip address to a different mirror in /etc/hosts |
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| 12:44.07 | jelly-home | Apachez: ping security.debian.org... what ip does it have? |
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| 12:44.19 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: maybe they use the same ISP |
| 12:44.20 | jetscreamer | ah diff guy |
| 12:44.28 | jetscreamer | i was thinking of the guy yesterday |
| 12:45.18 | themill | jelly-home: we're seeing three or four of these bad md5 sums per day at the moment. most odd |
| 12:45.55 | gileswwwrk | heya debianers |
| 12:46.11 | gileswwwrk | I'm trying to recompile a source debian package for older versions |
| 12:46.27 | gileswwwrk | etch/testing -> etch/stable is fine |
| 12:46.42 | gileswwwrk | etch/testing -> sarge/stable I'm having some problems |
| 12:46.43 | jelly-home | themill: theory: one mirror has intermittent network or other hw problems, resulting in sending bad bits. various proxies over the world cache the bad bits. hilarity ensues. |
| 12:46.47 | solemnwarning | I've added a VT6421 card to this machine and attached an IDE hard drive to it, is it unsupported or am I doing somthing wrong? |
| 12:46.52 | gileswwwrk | compiles fine |
| 12:47.07 | solemnwarning | There's nothing about a hde in dmesg or in /dev |
| 12:47.15 | gileswwwrk | but I get an error |
| 12:47.15 | jetscreamer | try sdsomething |
| 12:47.18 | gileswwwrk | Template #1 in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ocsinventory-agent.templates does not contain a 'Template:' line |
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| 12:47.26 | gileswwwrk | when installing |
| 12:47.27 | solemnwarning | Nothing |
| 12:47.28 | liable | hcy: ping |
| 12:47.32 | chlue | Kartoffelsalat: I think every package in Debian has some slight differences to packages from the original homepage (see here: http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/blender.html) but it should be nearly identical. Only problem i have, that the game engine crashes, which seem to be related to python 2.4. A download from the official homepage compiled against python 2.5 works flawless. |
| 12:47.37 | themill | jelly-home: yes, it's presumably somehting like this but it's causing... umm.. yes, hillarity |
| 12:48.19 | jelly-home | themill: it would be interesting to see if it's always the same IP, or always the same file (or arch) |
| 12:48.26 | tim_flatus | I appear to have corrupt file lists for a couple of packages relating to tetex-base, which has caused apt problems. Does some kind of utility exist for getting packages to rewrite those files? |
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| 12:48.51 | jelly-home | tim_flatus: apt-get --reinstall install XXX would be safest |
| 12:49.02 | Crypticfortune | lately when i boot up i'm getting default gateways set on both eth0 and peth0 (i'm running xen). until i delete one of the gateways obviously im having troubles. /etc/network/interfaces is very simple http://rafb.net/p/hcK6WS39.html |
| 12:49.04 | jelly-home | tim_flatus: or aptitude reinstall if you're using that |
| 12:49.06 | MreX | chlue - that may work, i will try, thank you. silly me, didn't think it was so simple to do an X tunnel |
| 12:49.07 | jetscreamer | is your card seen in dmesg, solemnwarning , or the drive, or via lspci? |
| 12:49.18 | solemnwarning | jetscreamer: lspci shows the card |
| 12:49.23 | gileswwwrk | hrm i think it might be whitespace at the start |
| 12:49.25 | tim_flatus | jelly-home, ok |
| 12:49.36 | solemnwarning | And dmesg shows loading sata_via |
| 12:49.55 | tim_flatus | jelly-home, the problem is that the corrupt file lists block apt |
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| 12:50.03 | Crypticfortune | (ps my question is: why am i getting 2 default gateways defined? and how should i make that just 1?) |
| 12:50.04 | solemnwarning | 00:0a.0 RAID bus controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6421 IDE RAID Controller (rev 50) |
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| 12:50.23 | jelly-home | tim_flatus: can you pastebin the exact command and full output? |
| 12:51.14 | tim_flatus | jelly-home, so I have to hack them with a txt editor, I was just wondering whether there was a 'proper' way to do it. |
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| 12:51.38 | tim_flatus | jelly-home, no, because I've fixed the immediate problem, so can't reproduce easily. |
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| 12:52.16 | jetscreamer | solemnwarning: but the hd isn't seen? is the card's module loaded? |
| 12:52.46 | solemnwarning | I'm not sure what module the IDE part needs |
| 12:52.57 | solemnwarning | But arn't modules autoloaded? |
| 12:53.04 | solemnwarning | via_sata was |
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| 12:53.13 | jelly-home | tim_flatus: dunno, I'd make apt run, then reinstall. If apt had more problems, download the packages manually and install with dpkg |
| 12:53.47 | jetscreamer | solemnwarning: and it's not seen with fdisk -l eh |
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| 12:54.20 | solemnwarning | nope |
| 12:54.32 | twb | How do I define an aptitude limit filter that lists all packages that are upgradable by a major version -- that is, the part of the version before the first period is different for the installed and installable (~U) versions. |
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| 12:55.24 | tim_flatus | jelly-home, thanks for the advice. I'm slightly worried that I've got a corrrupted /var partition. I guess I need to umount and fsck?? |
| 12:55.29 | jetscreamer | solemnwarning: well if it has partitions on it, no idea, but 'probably' at a guess the module for the card may not be loaded, or all you need may not be |
| 12:55.54 | solemnwarning | So the card is supported? |
| 12:56.08 | jelly-home | tim_flatus: might help |
| 12:56.21 | jetscreamer | i don't know |
| 12:56.28 | solemnwarning | :\ |
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| 12:56.35 | jetscreamer | looks familiar but check |
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| 12:57.19 | jelly-home | tim_flatus: what did the corruption look like? single byte munged? lots of crap? were the file size and attributes sane? |
| 12:57.59 | jelly-home | tim_flatus: small mishaps may indicate problems with RAM |
| 12:58.04 | jetscreamer | looks like for a while it has been, solemnwarning |
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| 12:58.22 | solemnwarning | So it's somthing I've not got loaded? |
| 12:58.33 | jetscreamer | 'probably' but no idea |
| 12:58.39 | jetscreamer | for sure that is |
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| 12:59.40 | jetscreamer | solemnwarning: lsmod | grep VT6421 maybe ... not sure what to grep for |
| 13:00.19 | solemnwarning | The only related module I have loaded is sata_via I think |
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| 13:00.28 | solemnwarning | IDE won't be handled by sata_via I assume |
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| 13:00.42 | snowbird | iam here sweet |
| 13:01.16 | jetscreamer | is it sata or pata |
| 13:01.19 | jetscreamer | the hd |
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| 13:01.26 | Azur1 | hi |
| 13:01.27 | solemnwarning | ATA |
| 13:01.30 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 13:01.32 | Azur1 | i have 2 HDDS |
| 13:01.33 | jetscreamer | is it sata or pata |
| 13:01.33 | snowbird | holy shoot this is linux working router heeeeeeeee heeeeeeee |
| 13:01.42 | solemnwarning | Is PATA normal ATA? |
| 13:01.46 | jetscreamer | Sata or Pata |
| 13:01.48 | stream | what is a good netdate server that works? |
| 13:01.48 | twb | solemnwarning: ATA is the old stuff |
| 13:01.49 | jetscreamer | old vs new |
| 13:01.53 | jetscreamer | no |
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| 13:02.06 | jetscreamer | pata is the old stuff |
| 13:02.10 | twb | PATA is a retronym |
| 13:02.14 | solemnwarning | That's the one then |
| 13:02.15 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 13:02.22 | jetscreamer | parallel vs serial |
| 13:02.32 | themill | jelly-home: if it were just one server, then the round-robin dns should make it clear the next time the request is made, shouldn't it? (or is it not a round robin but a location-based service) |
| 13:02.35 | Azur1 | one with Debian and one with WinXP , my primary OS is Debian how can i make GRUB to boot and WinXP too ? Debian HDD is hda and WinXp HDD is hdb |
| 13:02.48 | jetscreamer | with the new libata, there are sata and pata modules |
| 13:02.49 | Eulex | ata is both sata and pata, and yes, when sata did not exist ata was used to refer to pata |
| 13:02.52 | twb | (P)ATA units have very wide data cables, over an inch across. |
| 13:02.56 | tim_flatus | jelly-home, the corruption was like parts of release or status files, overwritten 2 to 50 lines. |
| 13:02.57 | giupy | about my problem of "/init: .:38: can't open /scripts/funciotns" i have noticed that it can be an initrd image problem, i have made some update-initramfs but i have noticed too that my old 2.6.8 has in /lib/modules a boot dir but new 2.6.22 doesn't have it, can it be that the problem ? |
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| 13:03.07 | solemnwarning | twb: 40/80 pin IDE |
| 13:03.14 | snowbird | themill i left it static is that ok? u told me no config so i didn't |
| 13:03.19 | Azur1 | hi i have 2 HDDs one with Debian and one with WinXP , my primary OS is Debian how can i make GRUB to boot and WinXP too ? Debian HDD is hda and WinXp HDD is hdb |
| 13:03.21 | twb | SATA units have data cables that are about 1cm wide. |
| 13:03.39 | twb | Azur1: read about "chainloading" |
| 13:03.46 | jelly-home | tim_flatus: ok, sounds more like a fs problem ;-) |
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| 13:03.51 | jetscreamer | Azur1: there is an example in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 13:03.56 | jetscreamer | just for windows |
| 13:04.05 | Azur1 | i already try with example |
| 13:04.09 | jetscreamer | solemnwarning: yeah ok so pata |
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| 13:04.11 | Azur1 | but is not working |
| 13:04.28 | Azur1 | i have installed WinXp on first partition of hdb |
| 13:04.29 | tim_flatus | jelly-home, thanks. 'll go fix it then. |
| 13:04.40 | Azur1 | so it is root (hd1,0) |
| 13:04.44 | jetscreamer | no |
| 13:04.47 | Azur1 | but is not working |
| 13:04.58 | Azur1 | WInXp don't boot |
| 13:05.02 | jetscreamer | Azur1: no, hda would be (hd0,0) the first drive, first partition |
| 13:05.03 | jelly-home | themill: I have no idea how often Linux resolver rounds the robins. :-) |
| 13:05.11 | Azur1 | yes |
| 13:05.19 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 13:05.21 | solemnwarning | jetscreamer: Isn't libata only for SATA? |
| 13:05.27 | Azur1 | WinXP is on second drive , first partition |
| 13:05.29 | themill | jelly-home: seems to round robin every time you call nslookup at least. |
| 13:05.32 | jetscreamer | solemnwarning: no, it does both |
| 13:05.34 | jetscreamer | afaik |
| 13:05.38 | jetscreamer | it does pata for sure |
| 13:05.42 | solemnwarning | http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html#via <-- Only mentions SATA |
| 13:05.48 | Azur1 | so it is supposed to be (hd1,0) |
| 13:05.52 | themill | jelly-home: It is a round-robin. Still doesn't explain why just rerunning aptitude update doesn't clear the problem, unless aptitude calls "hit" rather than "miss" just because a file is there. |
| 13:05.53 | Azur1 | is this right ? |
| 13:06.00 | twb | Azur1: (hd1,0) is /dev/hdb1 |
| 13:06.02 | jetscreamer | Azur1: did windows think it was hda when it was running right? |
| 13:06.04 | snowbird | themill static ip is ok? |
| 13:06.21 | jelly-home | themill: the aramdune said he always got the same ip. Mildly interesting. |
| 13:06.26 | jelly-home | guy* |
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| 13:06.32 | Azur1 | i think so |
| 13:06.36 | snowbird | trying to format old router |
| 13:06.42 | Azur1 | can i use map command in grub to fix that ? |
| 13:06.48 | themill | snowbird: if your setup currently works with a static ip then leave it that way. |
| 13:06.55 | jetscreamer | Azur1: if you moved the windows hd to another spot.. yes map |
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| 13:07.14 | Azur1 | what is the exact syntaxis |
| 13:07.16 | Azur1 | / |
| 13:07.16 | jetscreamer | Azur1: or just move the hd back to where it was |
| 13:07.27 | twb | Syntax. |
| 13:07.36 | Azur1 | 10x u twb |
| 13:07.49 | twb | !u |
| 13:07.49 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:08.02 | twb | "syntaxis" is latin. |
| 13:08.03 | snowbird | yeah i did that themill had choice but i did what you say |
| 13:08.04 | jetscreamer | you u |
| 13:08.10 | jelly-home | themill: if the file is already downloaded, presumably same size and timestamp as on the server, I guess it would make it a Hit |
| 13:08.32 | giupy | what does it mean: "find: invalid predicate regextype" when i try dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 ? |
| 13:08.33 | snowbird | cut and paste in config paste in room but u know i cant read and do things fast or google |
| 13:08.56 | themill | jelly-home: guess so. (reading man pages looking for a way of forcing "miss" or clearing the packages cache before starting again) |
| 13:09.19 | JarJarBi1ks | for the sport of it. is there a more elegant way to sum all bz2 files in a directory of mixed files (this is what I've got): sum=0 ; for i in *.bz2 ; do tmp=`du -sk $i | awk '{print $1}'` ; sum=`expr $sum + $tmp` ; done ; echo $sum |
| 13:09.28 | jetscreamer | ok it takes me 1 second to type you and .3 seconds to type u .... now multiply that times the amount of time i waste on irc and you want me to waste an additional x # of minutes each day just to satisfy your sense of grammer... x*(24*7*365) ... |
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| 13:09.38 | twb | JarJarBi1ks: "sum"? |
| 13:09.43 | jelly-home | themill: note that rming the file didn't help... so him getting always the same ip was an important part of the problem |
| 13:09.58 | twb | JarJarBi1ks: you want to find the total disk usage? |
| 13:10.17 | JarJarBi1ks | twb: sorry sum ~ add |
| 13:10.20 | twb | JarJarBi1ks: du --total |
| 13:10.28 | jelly-home | themill: could be the transparent proxy itself has bad RAM :-) |
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| 13:10.40 | twb | "sum" is the correct word, but you did not say *what* you were finding the sum of. |
| 13:10.48 | jetscreamer | giupy: what? |
| 13:11.05 | themill | jelly-home: hmmm yes. transparent proxies are really evil. Need to have an option to put as many "pragma: no-cache" type things in the request as possible... |
| 13:11.05 | JarJarBi1ks | twb: ok the _size_ of bz2 files |
| 13:11.06 | jetscreamer | giupy: no eeeeehnt beeep |
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| 13:11.16 | giupy | jetscreamer ? |
| 13:11.17 | jetscreamer | giupy: you don't reconfigure kernels |
| 13:11.19 | themill | jelly-home: even if the client thinks it's *not* behind a cache |
| 13:11.27 | twb | giupy: it means the configure script is broken, and is missing a hyphen (I think); or it means your corutils package is very old. |
| 13:11.37 | twb | *coreutils |
| 13:11.47 | twb | JarJarBi1ks: 23:10 <twb> JarJarBi1ks: du --total |
| 13:11.48 | giupy | twb but i'm on sid |
| 13:12.20 | themill | JarJarBi1ks: du -s *.bz2 perhaps? |
| 13:12.22 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 ? |
| 13:12.22 | JarJarBi1ks | twb: thats great thanks |
| 13:12.24 | jelly-home | themill: if I had a hidden proxy in the way, it would NOT obey http headers. :-) |
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| 13:12.45 | jetscreamer | are you telling me that's valid? |
| 13:12.58 | JarJarBi1ks | themill: that's what I do now, but --total add's all the lines... just like I wanted.. thanks guys |
| 13:13.03 | snowbird | i wonder if net metting wil work now i will throw out router thew isp window |
| 13:13.12 | snowbird | and say sh here its back |
| 13:13.27 | themill | jelly-home: it would and it should (It did for me on a network I used to use that had one) |
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| 13:13.36 | twb | jetscreamer: why shouldn't it be valid? |
| 13:13.47 | jetscreamer | what does it do |
| 13:13.50 | themill | JarJarBinks: ahh ok. missed that bit. |
| 13:13.53 | twb | Probably nothing. |
| 13:14.06 | twb | That's what happens if you reconfigure most packages. |
| 13:14.10 | jetscreamer | Running depmod.Finding valid ramdisk creators.Using mkinitramfs-kpkg to build the ramdisk |
| 13:14.49 | jetscreamer | (2.6.22-3 was configured last, according to dpkg) |
| 13:15.00 | jelly-home | themill: well, then the user should just use Acquire::http::{No-Cache,Max-Age,No-Store} |
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| 13:15.11 | giupy | yes, that problem :) |
| 13:15.22 | jetscreamer | giupy: WHY |
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| 13:15.33 | jetscreamer | why are you doing this, |
| 13:15.39 | jetscreamer | !wayttd giupy |
| 13:15.40 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, giupy? |
| 13:15.45 | themill | jelly-home: nice... that's one to remember and try out next time we get one of the md5 problems... |
| 13:15.58 | snowbird | themill got shampaine happy happy to have my net back |
| 13:16.10 | giupy | jetscreamer dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 |
| 13:16.20 | jetscreamer | why |
| 13:16.24 | jetscreamer | what is the goal |
| 13:16.31 | jetscreamer | wayttd |
| 13:16.43 | giupy | jetscreamer i suppose that dpkg-reconfigure can do all i need |
| 13:16.48 | twb | To capture the fort and hold it for the next eighteen months. |
| 13:17.13 | giupy | jetscreamer what i have to do? |
| 13:17.25 | jetscreamer | giupy: whatever it is you're trying to do, that won't do it i don't think |
| 13:17.29 | jetscreamer | what are you trying to do |
| 13:17.47 | jetscreamer | why are you running this command |
| 13:17.59 | themill | giupy: please explain to us what you are trying to achieve. we think you're asking the wrong questions but we need more information to help you. |
| 13:18.30 | giupy | about my problem of "/init: .:38: can't open /scripts/funciotns" i have noticed that it can be an initrd image problem, i have made some update-initramfs but i have noticed too that my old 2.6.8 has in /lib/modules a boot dir but new 2.6.22 doesn't have it, can it be that the problem ? |
| 13:18.41 | giupy | that is :( |
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| 13:19.15 | giupy | that causes me a kernel panic at boot |
| 13:19.24 | bubba666 | hello folks |
| 13:19.25 | twb | giupy: are you running dpkg-reconfigure as root? |
| 13:19.26 | giupy | now i'm on a 2.6.8 and it goes well |
| 13:19.36 | giupy | twb yes :) |
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| 13:19.53 | bzed | twb: try it as non-root and see what not happens ;) |
| 13:19.55 | themill | giupy: are you trying to jump from sarge to sid? |
| 13:19.57 | tim_flatus | jelly-home, 4 inodes containing multiply claimed blocks |
| 13:19.57 | twb | giupy: does `aptitude search ~b' list any packages? |
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| 13:20.02 | liable | giupy: whats the other kernel? |
| 13:20.14 | giupy | themill yes i have installed sarge and then upgraded to sid |
| 13:20.14 | themill | liable: .22 |
| 13:20.19 | themill | ffs |
| 13:20.22 | jetscreamer | update-initramfs is what you might be looking for ? |
| 13:20.28 | tim_flatus | including the last file I hacked at. |
| 13:20.34 | helo | what do i need to do so that normal users will have full access to /dev/snd/controlC0? |
| 13:20.36 | liable | giupy: how do you have a 2.6.22 and 2.6.8 installed and working at the same time? |
| 13:20.43 | themill | giupy: repeat after me: sarge->etch etch->lenny lenny->sid |
| 13:20.45 | jelly-home | tim_flatus: woohoo, crosslinked files! when was the last time you did a fsck? |
| 13:20.57 | giupy | themill no, sarge->sid |
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| 13:21.14 | helo | my user is in group "audio" |
| 13:21.15 | themill | giupy: NOOOO!!!!!! skipping releases is not supported! that's what I'm trying to say |
| 13:21.15 | liable | expect breakage then |
| 13:21.16 | tim_flatus | jelly-home, about 30 reboots ago |
| 13:21.16 | twb | giupy: you cannot upgrade directly from Sarge to Sid. |
| 13:21.25 | giupy | ah |
| 13:21.27 | themill | !tell giupy about sarge->etch |
| 13:21.31 | giupy | that is my problem |
| 13:21.32 | themill | !tell giupy about etch->lenny |
| 13:21.40 | jetscreamer | just back up /home and install clean |
| 13:21.47 | liable | you can do etch to sid |
| 13:21.47 | jelly-home | tim_flatus: hm, >0 power failures ago? |
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| 13:21.50 | jetscreamer | save some /etc if wanted |
| 13:21.50 | giupy | jetscreamer ok |
| 13:21.54 | giupy | thanks all |
| 13:21.56 | giupy | really :) |
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| 13:22.07 | tim_flatus | jelly-home, yes AFAICR |
| 13:22.15 | giupy | i go reinstall |
| 13:22.18 | giupy | bye |
| 13:22.21 | jetscreamer | giupy: |
| 13:22.21 | themill | liable: Yeah that will usually work as long as lenny and sid aren't too diverged. |
| 13:22.22 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 13:22.26 | jelly-home | tim_flatus: so some breakage is natural. |
| 13:22.28 | jetscreamer | goodbye-windows.com |
| 13:22.53 | tim_flatus | jelly-home, a natural result of testing realtime multimedia apps perhaps? |
| 13:22.57 | themill | bah.. if he's asking these questions he shouldn't be running sid anyway... but he's gone. I guess he'll be back soon... |
| 13:23.01 | helo | /dev/snd/controlC0 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0c /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p /dev/snd/pcmC0D1c /dev/snd/timer is group audio, but group audio has no permissions to the device... where can i make sure users in group audio will always have full access to /dev/snd/controlC0 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0c /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p /dev/snd/pcmC0D1c /dev/snd/timer |
| 13:23.07 | jelly-home | tim_flatus: only if they hard-locked the machine |
| 13:23.10 | helo | haha, doh |
| 13:23.26 | tim_flatus | jelly-home, :| |
| 13:23.39 | twb | helo: I guess /etc/udev/blah |
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| 13:24.12 | cahoot | helo: how do you try 'access' them? |
| 13:24.20 | tim_flatus | jelly-home, Ctrl+Alt+SysRq+k is my friend. ;) |
| 13:25.00 | helo | cahoot: xine, amarok, totem |
| 13:25.21 | cahoot | helo: basic alsa is best tested with aplay |
| 13:25.32 | jelly-home | tim_flatus: that just kills userspace (afaik), so shouldn't be a cause of fs corruption. anyway, I'd fix it and not sweat too much |
| 13:25.39 | helo | all of them hang when i launch them as normal user, but start right up as root |
| 13:25.56 | jelly-home | tim_flatus: (also, no need for Ctrl) |
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| 13:26.14 | cahoot | helo: run aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav in a term as 'user' |
| 13:26.20 | helo | hmm... yeah that works... bah |
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| 13:27.45 | helo | i was just noticing in the strace the hang occurs just after it opens that file |
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| 13:28.24 | tim_flatus | jelly-home, hmm, educated. Not sweating, fixed for now thanks to your help. |
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| 13:28.40 | superman | what package should i install for htpasswd? |
| 13:29.13 | themill | !tell superman about search |
| 13:29.28 | superman | apt-cache search htpasswd doesnt show anything |
| 13:29.39 | twb | apt-file search bin/htpasswd |
| 13:29.44 | themill | superman: read the rest of that factoid |
| 13:30.28 | themill | superman: apache2-utils |
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| 13:31.09 | wij32 | is there a quick way to upgrade my java to 1.5? |
| 13:31.12 | wij32 | using apt or something? |
| 13:32.07 | themill | wij32: sun-java5-jdk from non-free |
| 13:32.24 | themill | wij32: substitude -jdk for -jre or -plugin depending on what you want |
| 13:32.32 | wij32 | yeah jdk i want. |
| 13:32.36 | wij32 | what you mean from non-free? |
| 13:32.44 | themill | !tell wij32 about non-free |
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| 13:32.59 | jetscreamer | contrib tells more than non-free |
| 13:33.16 | jetscreamer | !tell wij32 -about contrib |
| 13:33.16 | superman | hmmm... htpasswd: error while loading shared libraries: libdb.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory <-- |
| 13:33.28 | themill | jetscreamer: yes, it does rather.... |
| 13:33.34 | themill | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 13:33.34 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
| 13:33.39 | jetscreamer | did you try apt-file like they tried to tell you? |
| 13:33.43 | jetscreamer | superman? |
| 13:33.58 | superman | no such command as apt-file |
| 13:34.00 | themill | superman: are you running etch? have you been abusing your system? |
| 13:34.03 | jetscreamer | gee i wonder why |
| 13:34.08 | jetscreamer | try installing it |
| 13:34.15 | themill | superman: did you read that bot blurb? |
| 13:34.16 | jetscreamer | then do apt-file update |
| 13:34.34 | abrotman | jelly-home: wrong country |
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| 13:34.54 | themill | superman: dpkg told you to: apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo |
| 13:35.00 | jelly-home | abrotman: I bet they have an equivalent in Singapore |
| 13:35.06 | superman | ok sorry... i just did that |
| 13:35.11 | abrotman | jelly-home: ah .. maybe |
| 13:35.15 | abrotman | jelly-home: ask timgoh0 |
| 13:35.26 | themill | !clever dpkg |
| 13:35.30 | themill | !clever |
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| 13:36.47 | chlue | actually how many people are feeding the dpkg-bot? |
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| 13:38.06 | twb | chlue: I give it a bowl of milk sometimes |
| 13:38.21 | themill | !feed dpkg |
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| 13:38.48 | liable | !botsnack |
| 13:38.49 | dpkg | liable: thanks |
| 13:38.52 | abchirk | !beer |
| 13:38.52 | dpkg | [beer] liquid gold mate |
| 13:39.01 | chlue | twb: I don't think he respects your milk anymore :-) |
| 13:39.04 | themill | chlue: see what you've started |
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| 13:39.48 | twb | themill: so you say. |
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| 13:41.28 | themill | twb: *grin* |
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| 13:42.42 | superman | ok i did the apt-file search |
| 13:42.46 | superman | comes up with a list |
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| 13:43.16 | themill | good-o.. what's on the list? |
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| 13:44.19 | superman | apache2-utils: usr/bin/htpasswd |
| 13:44.20 | superman | mini-httpd: usr/bin/htpasswd |
| 13:44.20 | superman | apache2-utils: usr/bin/htpasswd |
| 13:44.21 | superman | mini-httpd: usr/bin/htpasswd |
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| 13:44.31 | superman | oops sorry |
| 13:44.33 | superman | double paste |
| 13:44.36 | themill | superman: we're not being difficult, it's just that we're not going to spoonfeed you so that you can do this next time. |
| 13:45.00 | superman | themill, its ok i understand..please teach me.. |
| 13:45.15 | themill | superman: so since you're interested in apache, which of those packages do you think looks promising? |
| 13:45.40 | liable | ooh, ooh, i know! |
| 13:45.43 | superman | apache2-utils? |
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| 13:46.06 | themill | yep.. aptitude install apache2-utils and it all should work for you |
| 13:46.18 | hcy | liable: still around? |
| 13:46.23 | liable | installing apache should install that package anyway |
| 13:46.27 | liable | hcy: ya |
| 13:46.30 | davis | which runlevel is console mode in debian? ie. not X windows mode. |
| 13:46.33 | hcy | liable: guess what -- |
| 13:46.33 | jetscreamer | no he left in the past 30 seconds |
| 13:46.40 | liable | hcy: no good? |
| 13:46.47 | hcy | liable: same error! |
| 13:46.48 | superman | ooh ok..i thought apt-get install libapache-htpasswd-perl is enough.. |
| 13:46.57 | liable | hcy: fucking hell. |
| 13:47.07 | jetscreamer | davis: it's not like that in debian, 2-5 are identical.. you can change that if wanted |
| 13:47.35 | jetscreamer | davis: you want to stop the dm from loading/running |
| 13:47.42 | jetscreamer | here's a sucky factoid |
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| 13:47.47 | jetscreamer | !nodm |
| 13:47.47 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 13:48.07 | jetscreamer | what a pita to have it not run once |
| 13:48.15 | davis | jetscreamer: I killed GDM to debug my X config. Now, the console is locked up. |
| 13:48.15 | hcy | liable: yeah! |
| 13:48.24 | davis | I can only log on to the box via ssh. |
| 13:48.25 | liable | hcy: well, ask a smarter person i guess. i dont have any further suggestions atm. |
| 13:48.26 | jetscreamer | /etc/X11/default-display-manager controls it |
| 13:48.40 | twb | davis: you should "kill" it with "sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop" |
| 13:48.41 | hcy | liable: :( |
| 13:48.43 | jetscreamer | davis: you can also add single to the grub line |
| 13:48.56 | themill | superman: if you look at the package contents of libapache-htpasswd-perl (say on packages.debian.org) you'll see if only has a perl module that can be used to do the same as htpasswd but it's not standalone |
| 13:48.59 | jetscreamer | /etc/init.d/gdm stop works also |
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| 13:49.05 | twb | Yes, force of habit. |
| 13:49.08 | davis | i could reboot, but I would like to simply shutdown the processes which are locked and restart it. |
| 13:49.22 | twb | It only matters when you have a policy-rc.d |
| 13:49.28 | davis | ps axuw | grep gdm does not show it running anymore. |
| 13:49.29 | jetscreamer | does ctrl alt F1 give you a console, davis? |
| 13:49.32 | davis | nope |
| 13:49.37 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 13:49.39 | twb | invoke-rc.d does more error reporting, however. |
| 13:49.47 | davis | those do not switch between terms |
| 13:50.00 | jetscreamer | my filthy hack is chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm untill i want it +x |
| 13:50.01 | davis | the last thing I did was switch from console1 to console 7 to see if X had shutdown |
| 13:50.06 | davis | when I did, it locked up. |
| 13:50.13 | twb | jetscreamer: haha |
| 13:50.20 | twb | jetscreamer: why not just turn it off always and use startx? |
| 13:50.48 | twb | I don't because my login shell is screen, and I don't want to give non "console" users the priviledge to start X. |
| 13:50.54 | jetscreamer | twb: sometimes i do. atm my wife likes to use my box though. |
| 13:50.59 | twb | Ah, bummer. |
| 13:51.17 | twb | SWMBOs are an inconvient luxury. |
| 13:51.20 | davis | hmm, should I just reboot? |
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| 13:51.42 | jetscreamer | i have it set to autolog her in after like 90 seconds... davis, use the single option in the grub menu if you do |
| 13:52.00 | jetscreamer | then keep x from starting, then exith that shell to keep booting |
| 13:53.04 | liable | hcy: can you paste the kpkg output |
| 13:54.43 | jetscreamer | twb: also, depending of if i use gdm or not, the fonts in icewm change. still trying to get a handle on that one.. metacity vs icewm-something maybe |
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| 13:54.49 | zicho | What is a SWMBO? |
| 13:54.51 | jeremy_g | AooOOOOOOOOO, all my worries are gone |
| 13:55.04 | jetscreamer | wife, partner, other ... i think |
| 13:55.05 | jeremy_g | hello everyone :) |
| 13:55.08 | twb | jeremy_g: that's an XFT_THINGY environment variable, IIRC |
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| 13:55.18 | jetscreamer | significant blah blah blah other |
| 13:55.21 | g_re | Hi, how do I kill ghosts ? |
| 13:55.29 | twb | She Who Must Be Obeyed |
| 13:55.32 | jetscreamer | i hear zombies don't die |
| 13:55.34 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 13:55.36 | g_re | :p |
| 13:55.37 | g_re | I mean |
| 13:55.39 | g_re | I'm logged in twice |
| 13:55.46 | twb | It's a Heinlein reference |
| 13:55.46 | jetscreamer | log out of one |
| 13:55.52 | g_re | I did |
| 13:55.56 | g_re | but PuTTy crashed on me |
| 13:55.59 | liable | g_re: /msg nickserv help ghost |
| 13:56.02 | twb | g_re: screen |
| 13:56.04 | jetscreamer | i've read all heinlein, which one? |
| 13:56.06 | xand | Ghostbusters |
| 13:56.07 | liable | or ghost help |
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| 13:56.12 | jeremy_g | twb:what are you talking about |
| 13:56.19 | jeremy_g | :) |
| 13:56.27 | g_re | root pts/0 d51a47f37.access 07:58 2:27m 0.19s 0.19s -bash |
| 13:56.27 | g_re | root pts/1 d51a47f37.access 09:52 0.00s 0.02s 0.00s w |
| 13:56.33 | g_re | I mean the first one is still hanging there :/ |
| 13:57.04 | twb | jeremy_g: I speak of many things. To which do you refer? |
| 13:57.27 | twb | jetscreamer: guess. |
| 13:57.29 | jeremy_g | twb: :) whatever |
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| 13:57.50 | DustyBin | how do you change your domain name in debian? |
| 13:57.51 | twb | jetscreamer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She_%28novel%29 |
| 13:57.58 | jetscreamer | yesterday, i found out that my boss was going to call me in an hour to tell me i had to be at work in 2 hours.... in other words, he wasn't going to call me until an hour from now to tell me to be at work 2 hours from now |
| 13:58.17 | hcy | liable: everything? i don't know if it's still in my console |
| 13:58.27 | jeremy_g | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.39 | liable | hcy: just the last bit that contains the first error onwards |
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| 13:58.43 | jeremy_g | jetscreamer: thats relativity |
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| 13:59.09 | hcy | liable: i've shown it to you already, hasn't changed. it's just about the versions not being the same |
| 13:59.12 | aramdune | Hello, anybody using OSS (comercial, now GPL) drivers for audio in Debian? I installed the deb package, it worked, now I changed the kernel, tried to reinstall (for recompiling) and it fails with following error: http://pastebin.ca/661041 |
| 13:59.23 | harpal | when I try to make my partition to ext3 using command mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hda4 than its giving me error mkfs.ext3: No such device or address while trying to determine filesystem size |
| 13:59.42 | jetscreamer | nobody uses oss anymore (mostly) |
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| 14:00.12 | hcy | liable: does kpkg keep a logfile in the directory it's run in? |
| 14:00.31 | jetscreamer | harpal: are you sure it's not an extended partition? |
| 14:00.39 | twb | jetscreamer: oh, actually the reference is from _Rumpole of the Bailey_, a television thingamy |
| 14:00.39 | snowbird | there is nice cannon printer at dealer i turned to back side and found on back |
| 14:00.45 | aramdune | jetscreamer, nobody uses the OSS from the kernel, but now that the commercial version had become GPL... |
| 14:00.52 | cahoot | aramdune: you've established alsa doesn't work for you sounddevice? |
| 14:01.05 | twb | aramdune: it sounds like you don't know what you're doing. |
| 14:01.15 | aramdune | cahoot, alsa is a pain to configure for my setup. I have 3 audio cards. |
| 14:01.30 | jetscreamer | twb: well since you brought it up... She: A History of Adventure is a novel by H. Rider Haggard |
| 14:01.30 | snowbird | .deb 3 driver on tag in box from cannon uk site i left it be i dont know how to do.deb files. |
| 14:01.39 | cahoot | aramdune: same as me - no probs here |
| 14:01.43 | liable | hcy: not that i know of |
| 14:01.50 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 14:01.50 | dpkg | package blah.deb is already installed |
| 14:02.04 | snowbird | hey liable got my network back up |
| 14:02.13 | cahoot | aramdune: but to each his own |
| 14:02.33 | twb | jetscreamer: oops, yeah |
| 14:02.36 | snowbird | trying out dlink router test drive |
| 14:02.36 | hcy | liable: i closed the console by mistake. but there wasn't anything special about the output -- just all of a sudden, without warning, it gives the version error |
| 14:02.46 | liable | ok |
| 14:02.57 | twb | My memory degrades. |
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| 14:03.21 | snowbird | couldnt get firware |
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| 14:03.50 | snowbird | i wonder if i put windows file on deb desk top would dlink know what they are |
| 14:04.28 | DustyBin | when i first installed debian it asked me for my hostname and my domain name, i cant figure out where it stored the domain name anywhere, ive checked all the obvious places like: /etc/hosts /etc/hostnames /etc/network/interfaces /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 14:04.53 | petemc | DustyBin: should be /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts |
| 14:05.13 | aramdune | I get the same errors if I try to remove the broken package: http://pastebin.ca/661044 |
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| 14:06.19 | n2iko | anybody know of a debian based thumbdrive distro that I can save changes on the thumbdrive? |
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| 14:07.13 | themill | n2iko: how is that different to just installing debian on a thumb drive? |
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| 14:08.29 | MrDomino | n2iko: I'm running from one based on http://feraga.com/library/howto_install_debian_linux_onto_a_usb_thumb_drive_with_the_root_partition_encrypted_using_uuids_initramfs_tools_dm_crypt |
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| 14:08.41 | n2iko | themill: it barfed on install |
| 14:09.21 | fireba11 | MrDomino: now that is a nicve case or rediculous URL :-D |
| 14:09.30 | MrDomino | >.< |
| 14:09.31 | n2iko | MrDomino: I'll try it. the pendrivelinux.com image has problems also. |
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| 14:11.04 | palestino | hello |
| 14:11.07 | twb | Given a colour, what is a program that can produce less saturated version thereof, preferably programmatically? |
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| 14:11.20 | harpal | how to know filesystem os a partition? |
| 14:11.28 | palestino | I want to enter to a website, and when I click in a link it sends me to a website to download internet explorer 7 |
| 14:11.37 | jeremy_g | n2iko:get live debian and cut it short |
| 14:11.41 | harpal | s/os/of |
| 14:12.02 | twb | harpal: typically one examines the first few bytes. |
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| 14:12.37 | cahoot | twb: like manipulating the hexvalue or such? |
| 14:12.56 | twb | cahoot: right. |
| 14:12.59 | Braindead | palestino: try the user agent switch extension |
| 14:13.01 | n2iko | jeremy_g: there was a site that had some nice scripts for doing just that automagicaly but I lost it in the last disk crash. |
| 14:13.22 | harpal | twb: how to do that? |
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| 14:13.44 | twb | harpal: something like dd if=/dev/hda1 count=1 | strings, perhaps. |
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| 14:14.06 | DustyBin | my hostname is: home.net and my domain for this computer is called: desktop this is my /etc/hosts file, does this look ok: 127.0.0.1 localhost, 127.0.1.1 desktop home.net |
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| 14:15.17 | DustyBin | but when i ping desktop.home.net nothing happens.. |
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| 14:15.33 | Braindead | DustyBin: host desktop.home.net |
| 14:16.10 | DustyBin | so that means <domain>.<hostname>.net ? |
| 14:16.12 | jeremy_g | n2iko:google with keywords: remastering live cd linux... |
| 14:16.19 | wij32 | where do i find my sources list? to add contrib non-free? |
| 14:16.22 | palestino | I want to enter to a website, and when I click in a link it sends me to a website to download internet explorer 7 |
| 14:16.24 | jeremy_g | n2iko:i went crazy yesterday when i was upto sth similar |
| 14:16.34 | Braindead | DustyBin: no I mean what's the output of " host desktop.home.net " |
| 14:16.39 | Braindead | palestino: see above |
| 14:16.43 | Braindead | 16:12 < Braindead> palestino: try the user agent switch extension |
| 14:17.01 | chlue | wij32: /etc/apt/ |
| 14:17.07 | wij32 | chlue: thanks. |
| 14:17.10 | hcy | liable: http://paste.debian.net/34824 |
| 14:17.11 | palestino | what agent switch extension is Braindead ? |
| 14:17.19 | DustyBin | desktop.homebeyond.net has address 192.168.0.3 |
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| 14:18.03 | Braindead | palestino: user agent switch on google, perhaps? |
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| 14:18.10 | palestino | thnx |
| 14:18.11 | Braindead | STFW at least |
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| 14:23.03 | n2iko | jeremy_g: "remaster" you know that was the term that was escaping me the other day. first hit on google! thanks. I should have asked here first. |
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| 14:25.28 | liable | hcy: out of interest, what number is in that file? |
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| 14:25.59 | Corwynn | heya there |
| 14:27.20 | hcy | liable: # cat include/linux/utsrelease.h // #define UTS_RELEASE "2.6.22-hcy" |
| 14:27.58 | liable | hcy: bizzare. |
| 14:28.02 | ampex | is there a way to automate ftp uploads from the command line? |
| 14:28.17 | DustyBin | i know why im getting confused, debian calls domain names, hostnames, and the hosts, hosts |
| 14:28.25 | DustyBin | doh |
| 14:28.45 | liable | hcy: move that file out of the source, and do a make-kpkg again (dont make clean, it should build quickly or fail) |
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| 14:29.39 | wij32 | hey, i just upgraded to jdk1.5, my compiler is 1.5 but my java runner is 1.3, how do i change which 'java' file it runs? |
| 14:29.44 | twb | In crontabs, are pipe characters (|) treated specially? |
| 14:29.50 | wij32 | it still calling the old 'java' prog. |
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| 14:30.51 | avtobiff | wij32, change your path |
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| 14:31.06 | avtobiff | wij32, and upgrade your j2re |
| 14:31.10 | themill | wij32: update-alternatives |
| 14:31.19 | avtobiff | :-) |
| 14:31.30 | wij32 | apt-get update-alternatives? |
| 14:31.35 | Corwynn | wij32: update-alternatives --display java |
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| 14:31.54 | themill | !tell wij32 about alternatives |
| 14:31.54 | Corwynn | wij32: no, just run the cmd |
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| 14:32.59 | Corwynn | my nightly update of xserver-xorg breaks x refuse to load glx (Etch, Nvidia) |
| 14:33.46 | hcy | liable: it just recreates that same file and does it again |
| 14:33.54 | Corwynn | i purge nvidia-glx and install xserver-xorg-dev, glx loads but glxgears fails, no 3D accel... any idee? |
| 14:33.56 | hcy | liable: perhaps that line should be uncommented? |
| 14:34.34 | liable | hcy: its not a comment |
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| 14:34.56 | hcy | liable: ok. well, then, i don't know |
| 14:35.03 | liable | hcy: me either |
| 14:35.10 | hcy | liable: :( |
| 14:35.16 | liable | indeed |
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| 14:36.47 | themill | wij32: if that cli is too horrible then get the galternatives package and run gksu galternatives of sux galternatives |
| 14:36.58 | shark | hi, any1 knows how to install geforce2 MX 100/200 on debian? |
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| 14:38.10 | lindenl2 | how do you set a stucky bit on a directory so all files inherit group settings? |
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| 14:39.10 | themill | lindenl2: chmod g+s |
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| 14:39.25 | davis | hmm. i need help with GDM. If i do start Xwindows via startx, I can get my .xsession script to work flawlessly. If I start X via GDM and even switch sessions before logging in, it skips my .xsession file. Any advice? |
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| 14:39.35 | lindenl2 | themill: will it also get the same permissions or just the group |
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| 14:40.14 | apk | Approximately hat should the speeds from hdparm -tT be for a laptop SATA drive? |
| 14:40.17 | apk | what |
| 14:40.45 | themill | lindenl2: just the same group. the actual permissions of new files are controlled by the user's umask |
| 14:40.54 | cahoot | does hdparm tell anything reliable about a SATA dddisk? |
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| 14:41.05 | lindenl2 | themill: right that is what I thought..... |
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| 14:41.44 | apk | cahoot: Actually, I think it is a PATA drive with an SATA bridge. |
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| 14:44.12 | shark | what does this mean? "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 14:44.13 | shark | " |
| 14:44.37 | shark | i got this message when trying to install pidgin |
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| 14:45.09 | themill | !b-e shark |
| 14:45.09 | dpkg | shark: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
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| 14:46.39 | shark | ok, thanks |
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| 14:48.30 | lunk | good morning, i'm having some trouble installing grub, it never creates the stage1 files in /boot |
| 14:48.31 | shark | thanks a lot , it solved the problem. but now i get this "error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool" |
| 14:48.46 | lunk | grub-install says /dev/hda doesn't have a bios mapping, but it can see hd0,0 in the console |
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| 14:49.22 | themill | shark: do you not like the pidgin that's already in debian? |
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| 14:50.02 | troubled | lunk: perhaps --recheck option? |
| 14:50.39 | shark | themill: i have no pidgin installed. i did some kind of net install, so i guess it didn't install it |
| 14:50.54 | themill | shark: you're using etch? |
| 14:51.12 | lunk | grub-install /dev/hda, OUTPUT: Could not find device for /boot |
| 14:51.31 | shark | thmill: yes |
| 14:51.41 | silvertip257 | I used the net install CD for Debian Etch and my commandline interface does not fill the whole screen, only a small section -- how can I fix that. It's not using the whole screen resolution as far as I can tell. |
| 14:51.46 | troubled | lunk: thats with --recheck? |
| 14:51.46 | themill | !tell shark about simple sid backport |
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| 14:52.02 | themill | shark: I have no idea how "simple" pidgin is, but that's a good place to start |
| 14:52.18 | lunk | troubled: yes sir, it probes the bios, then gives that same error |
| 14:52.35 | themill | shark: at least the build-dep step will solve the build problems ;) |
| 14:52.50 | silvertip257 | shark: you have to go to the unstable repo |
| 14:53.01 | silvertip257 | shark: gimme a sec I'll get you the source lines you need |
| 14:53.19 | shark | themill: sorry, i didn't get you... what's a good place to start? |
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| 14:53.48 | frojnd | hello |
| 14:53.52 | themill | shark: did you not get the bot blurb? |
| 14:53.53 | silvertip257 | shark: you'll have to add these lines to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:53.59 | themill | !tell shark about simple sid backport |
| 14:54.11 | troubled | lunk: what about --force-lba as well? about the only 2 options I can see off hand |
| 14:54.18 | shark | themill: i got "!tell shark about simple sid backport" |
| 14:54.24 | silvertip257 | shark: deb http://http.<yourcountry>.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 14:54.28 | lunk | troubled: same thing |
| 14:54.30 | frojnd | Are there any GUI settings for monitor ? I've just installed etch debian. |
| 14:54.39 | lunk | troubled: now, this is inside of a chroot, don't know if that's an issue |
| 14:54.41 | themill | shark: hmmm... the bot says that it msg'd you. |
| 14:54.46 | themill | !about simple sid backport |
| 14:54.47 | frojnd | and whe I cross the mouse vertical lines appears.. |
| 14:54.49 | themill | !simple sid backport |
| 14:54.49 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs. |
| 14:54.50 | shark | silvertip257: thanks, i will try it now |
| 14:54.54 | lunk | troubled: i had the same problem on another machine last night, but luckily, the first drive already had grub installed so it wasn't a problem |
| 14:54.55 | themill | shark: ^^ |
| 14:55.06 | troubled | lunk: oh, well i would think so, it probably just wants to use /boot directly |
| 14:55.11 | silvertip257 | shark I messed up |
| 14:55.14 | silvertip257 | wait on |
| 14:55.18 | shark | ok |
| 14:55.23 | troubled | lunk: any reason you cant do it outside the chroot? |
| 14:55.32 | silvertip257 | shark: deb http://http.<yourcountry>.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 14:55.37 | silvertip257 | it's testing not etch |
| 14:55.51 | silvertip257 | shark: deb-src http://http.<yourcountry>.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 14:55.59 | themill | shark: if you want the latest pidgin, then you'll need to make it unstable not testing |
| 14:56.04 | silvertip257 | those last 2 lines and you'll be set for pidgin |
| 14:56.10 | lunk | troubled: same error |
| 14:56.12 | silvertip257 | oh |
| 14:56.28 | silvertip257 | thanks themill I'll change it on mine 2 |
| 14:56.57 | themill | silvertip257, shark: but it's in sid and not lenny for a reason, of course... |
| 14:57.05 | themill | !why is pidgin not in testing |
| 14:57.05 | dpkg | pidgin is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=pidgin |
| 14:57.12 | silvertip257 | how about etch? |
| 14:57.19 | troubled | lunk: hmmm. What partition is your /boot on? |
| 14:57.20 | lunk | troubled: i booted off an ubuntu cd, and followed the instructions from appendix D for installing inside of a new system. Twice i've run into this exact problem :/ |
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| 14:57.21 | themill | not in etch at all |
| 14:57.32 | silvertip257 | ok ... |
| 14:57.34 | troubled | lunk: it didnt work on ubuntu either? |
| 14:57.37 | silvertip257 | then I added testing and got it |
| 14:57.44 | silvertip257 | well I know I did .. |
| 14:57.47 | lunk | troubled: nope |
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| 14:58.00 | cinex | 'lo |
| 14:58.01 | troubled | lunk: what are you using now to try? |
| 14:58.41 | silvertip257 | I used the net install CD for Debian Etch and my commandline interface does not fill the whole screen, only a small section -- how can I fix that. It's not using the whole screen resolution as far as I can tell. |
| 14:58.49 | lunk | i booted an ubuntu cd, did the bootstrap, and was trying to configure grub inside the chroot on the drive |
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| 14:59.12 | silvertip257 | lunk: they will tell you to visit #ubuntu for that question, sorry bud |
| 14:59.26 | frojnd | I'm new to debian. Where can I find some system settings, like settings for monitor refresh rate?? |
| 14:59.27 | lunk | i'm installing debian |
| 14:59.31 | silvertip257 | oh ok |
| 14:59.33 | silvertip257 | ;) |
| 14:59.40 | lunk | i just needed a system to work inside of :) |
| 14:59.52 | troubled | lunk: you probably want to do it outside the chroot, and tell grub-install the --root-directory=/target instead |
| 15:00.11 | silvertip257 | oh I see lunk |
| 15:00.38 | lunk | troubled: could not find device for /boot/boot |
| 15:00.40 | lunk | wth! |
| 15:00.54 | troubled | lunk: try without the extra /boot? |
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| 15:01.03 | lunk | already did, can't find //boot! |
| 15:01.06 | lunk | die grub! |
| 15:02.09 | cinex | die! |
| 15:02.38 | troubled | lunk: what exact command are you using? and what path is your chrooted debian install? and is the boot on rootfs or a seperate partition? |
| 15:03.43 | lunk | boot is on root |
| 15:03.56 | lunk | inside of my live cd, /dev/hda1 is mounted to /mnt/debinst |
| 15:04.08 | frojnd | hm.. I thought this channel was for helping people that are new or they don't know something. Is this question so hard to answer: I wanna know where are system settings for debian, I need to check monitor refresh rate, couse I am getting horizontal lines wherever is my mouse... So does anyone know where are those settings? I need GUI and not xorg.conf |
| 15:04.18 | lunk | LANG=C chroot /mnt/debinst /bin/bash |
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| 15:04.24 | lunk | i did the aptitude install grub |
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| 15:04.41 | troubled | lunk: did you mount devfs and proc as well before chroot? |
| 15:04.44 | lunk | troubled: now i'm trying to use grub-install to setup hda/hd0,0 |
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| 15:04.53 | lunk | i mounted proc, not devfs, let me try that |
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| 15:05.25 | troubled | lunk: mount --bind /dev /mnt/debinst/dev |
| 15:05.44 | lunk | i did that, but with -o bind |
| 15:06.03 | silvertip257 | how can I make my gui-less install display the text on the whole screen and not just an area in the center of the monitor??? |
| 15:06.06 | troubled | frojnd: /etc holds all settings. /etc/X11 for X related perhaps what you want? |
| 15:06.14 | troubled | lunk: should be fine |
| 15:06.17 | dererk | Etch Rc Released!!!!! |
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| 15:06.47 | pif | isn't everybody using unstable? |
| 15:06.51 | troubled | lunk: im not sure if grub checks /etc/mtab though. worst case it should be a symlink to /proc/mounts for the time being |
| 15:07.17 | twb | mtab is unreliable garbage anyway |
| 15:07.18 | frojnd | troubled: I wanna check if refresh rate is bigger than 85Hz for my crt monitor.. |
| 15:07.27 | troubled | lunk: realistically, in a chroot it shouldnt matter, so long as grub 1, knows the device, and 2, has access to the /dev for it |
| 15:07.36 | frojnd | troubled: also movie isn't movie, pictures changes on every one minute! |
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| 15:07.51 | lunk | troubled: aha, even when i do the bind mount, /dev doesn't show up in the chroot |
| 15:08.10 | troubled | frojnd: well, your X11 conf would be what your after prolly, but I dont do X, hope that helps. gl |
| 15:08.52 | frojnd | troubled: ok I'll do xorg if there is no gui for that kinda thing |
| 15:09.00 | troubled | lunk: well, im not a grub guru by anymeans, but you should be able to accomplish this with or without the chroot for sure |
| 15:09.04 | themill | etch r1 has finally been announced on debian-announce (for those who haven't been paying attention) |
| 15:09.08 | newuser | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.08 | newuser | libasound_module_pcm_empty.so . Sound in e.g. xmms is working. alsaplayer is working, etc. |
| 15:09.44 | lunk | troubled: that's what i thought too, coming from gentoo it always, just worked...dunno |
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| 15:10.02 | twb | Grub gurus live in #grub. |
| 15:10.08 | troubled | frojnd: im pretty sure if dpkg is set to a low enough priority for the questions, you can set the timings via dpkg-reconfigure though. might give you a push in the right direction |
| 15:10.41 | twb | lunk: If anything EVER "just works", it's probably an accident. |
| 15:10.41 | shark | silvertip257, themill: i did what u said, now apt-get finds pidgin, but it says it has to remove some packages - tzdata and util-linux |
| 15:11.01 | troubled | lunk: twb has a point. those guys would probably be of better help, but if you can get /dev/ bind mounted you may be able to do it fine |
| 15:11.05 | silvertip257 | shark: hmm I personally don't know what those are |
| 15:11.13 | themill | newuser: how did you instal flash? |
| 15:11.19 | silvertip257 | but yea I know it did it to mine, shark |
| 15:11.21 | lunk | maybe the livecd i'm using is the whole problem |
| 15:11.26 | twb | You shoud be using rbind for /dev, on account of it having submounts. |
| 15:11.26 | lunk | i'll try another |
| 15:11.27 | shark | themill, slivertip257: it says "you are about to do something potentially harmful" |
| 15:11.29 | newuser | themill, via the debian package |
| 15:11.39 | newuser | themill, the non free one |
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| 15:11.46 | themill | shark: did you make the backport? or are you just trying to install from sid? |
| 15:11.48 | silvertip257 | oh shark ... hmm I'm not sure |
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| 15:12.14 | themill | shark: don't do that. stop. |
| 15:12.23 | shark | themill: sorry, what is backport and sid. |
| 15:12.25 | liable | hcy: the debian source just built for me too.. |
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| 15:13.03 | JarJarBinks | newuser: try setting ICEWEASEL_DSP="alsa" in /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc |
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| 15:13.31 | themill | shark: just looked back at the channel log. the lines that silvertip257 gave you were to try to include packages from sid. You don't want to do that. You want to install from a version you compile yourself using the source from sid. |
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| 15:13.36 | themill | !tell shark about sid |
| 15:13.41 | E-bola | I have 1 disk with 1 partition + swap on my debian server, i need to replace the disk with a bigger one, how can i copy the old contents including mbr etc, to a new bigger disk? |
| 15:13.45 | E-bola | Is this possible in debian? |
| 15:13.58 | silvertip257 | ok themill ... why don't you just tell me |
| 15:14.04 | themill | shark: did you receive that bot blurb about sid |
| 15:14.17 | shark | themill: yes, thank you |
| 15:14.23 | themill | !tell silvertip257 about simple sid backport |
| 15:14.30 | themill | !tell shark about simple sid backport |
| 15:14.31 | newuser | JarJarBinks, no sound |
| 15:14.47 | JarJarBinks | you must restart iceweasel... newuser |
| 15:14.54 | newuser | JarJarBinks, I did |
| 15:14.54 | JarJarBinks | newuser: what was it set to before |
| 15:14.54 | silvertip257 | ok ... |
| 15:14.54 | themill | shark, silvertip257: note that it's a deb-src line not a deb line in sources.list |
| 15:15.01 | silvertip257 | yah |
| 15:15.05 | newuser | JarJarBinks, aoss |
| 15:15.08 | JarJarBinks | newuser: :) well, sad news |
| 15:15.12 | newuser | JarJarBinks, and before that to none |
| 15:16.06 | themill | shark, silvertip257: if you just change the deb line you have for unstable (aka sid) to deb-src then that is where you start. |
| 15:16.18 | silvertip257 | k |
| 15:16.22 | themill | shark, silvertip257: (that's step 1 from that factoid) |
| 15:16.23 | JarJarBinks | newuser: what about MOZILLA_DSP=alsa in /etc/mozilla/mozillarc ... it seems that is the file being used here |
| 15:16.27 | hcy | liable: i don't know what's going on |
| 15:16.29 | silvertip257 | yup ty |
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| 15:17.22 | newuser | JarJarBinks, \# This file was generated by debconf automatically. |
| 15:17.29 | newuser | JarJarBinks, not smart to edit that one |
| 15:17.32 | silvertip257 | how about getting my commandline to be full screen instead of only a center section, themill |
| 15:17.39 | liable | hcy: is the system up to date? |
| 15:17.41 | themill | silvertip257: if you forced the install of sid's pidgen and brought in libc6 and tzdata and friends, then you've made a bit of a mess of your system |
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| 15:17.55 | silvertip257 | dunno if I did |
| 15:18.07 | silvertip257 | probably w/ my luck, yes |
| 15:18.08 | JarJarBinks | newuser: I had to change one of these files to get sound in flash... |
| 15:18.10 | themill | silvertip257: on console? or in the gui? on a laptop? |
| 15:18.18 | silvertip257 | console themill |
| 15:18.23 | silvertip257 | on a laptop too |
| 15:18.31 | JarJarBinks | newuser: you can always change it back, or reconfigure the package |
| 15:18.40 | hcy | liable: sure, what, you think i should apt-get upgrade? |
| 15:18.44 | newuser | JarJarBinks, how can I reconfigure the package? |
| 15:18.48 | newuser | JarJarBinks, dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 15:18.50 | JarJarBinks | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 15:19.02 | silvertip257 | themill: console + on laptop |
| 15:19.12 | themill | silvertip257: you probably need a vga= line when you boot. You'll have to do some googling to work out the correct number is though for your machine. |
| 15:19.15 | JarJarBinks | newuser: probably wont do a better job second time :) |
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| 15:19.32 | silvertip257 | ok ty themill -- where do I put the vga= line? |
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| 15:20.10 | jamiel | Why on earth does apt-get install slocate not warn me it needs to set up mysql-server and restart it :S |
| 15:20.12 | liable | hcy: you should constantly do that if you are running sid. and i just built it again with -hcy appended (for shits and giggles) dunno whats up with your box |
| 15:20.14 | JarJarBinks | newuser: you could also make the ~/.mozillarc file and set the DSP there |
| 15:20.23 | newuser | JarJarBinks, what's the lowest priority I can give to dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 15:20.32 | JarJarBinks | ? |
| 15:20.43 | newuser | JarJarBinks, currently it's not asking any questions |
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| 15:20.59 | newuser | JarJarBinks, so, I cannot configure the package via dkpg-reconfigure |
| 15:21.14 | themill | silvertip257: it's a boot parameter. when you first boot (i.e. in grub's menu) press e and then add that to the end. then b to boot |
| 15:21.28 | silvertip257 | themill: is that a --- yes grub --- thought so thanks |
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| 15:21.31 | newuser | JarJarBinks, there are different types of priorities for questions, but I don't know what they are. |
| 15:21.34 | hcy | liable: ok, lemme try that... |
| 15:21.46 | themill | silvertip257: pastebin the output of apt-cache policy libc6 tzdata for me, will you? |
| 15:21.47 | JarJarBinks | newuser: just so I know what you've tried. did you set MOZILLA_DSP=alsa in ~/.mozillarc yet? |
| 15:21.59 | newuser | JarJarBinks, not yet |
| 15:22.04 | JarJarBinks | please try it |
| 15:22.06 | silvertip257 | themill: hold on it's finishing :-S |
| 15:22.09 | shark | themill: it says: "The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 15:22.10 | shark | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.10 | shark | ", is it dangerous? |
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| 15:22.43 | shark | themill: i dont like to remove linux-kernel-headers, it sounds risky ^^ |
| 15:22.49 | jamiel | lol |
| 15:23.03 | harpal | how to make tar.gz file I have to take all files in a folder, not to include that folder |
| 15:23.22 | cinex | tar -zcvf ~/folder/* |
| 15:23.31 | cinex | no |
| 15:23.42 | cinex | tar -zcvf feile-name-tar-gz ~/folder/* |
| 15:23.57 | cinex | you should include a folder other wise extraction becomes messy |
| 15:24.14 | cinex | tar -zcvf feile-name.tar.gz ~/folder/* |
| 15:24.40 | themill | shark: is this after changing your sources list, aptitude update, apt-get -b source pidgin etc? |
| 15:25.07 | newuser | JarJarBinks, done, but no sound |
| 15:25.12 | JarJarBinks | hmm |
| 15:25.29 | JarJarBinks | newuser: did you change to aoss or alsa |
| 15:25.37 | newuser | JarJarBinks, alsa |
| 15:25.53 | JarJarBinks | newuser: okay, hmm , affraid I can't help you then |
| 15:26.05 | shark | themill: i changed the list, then apt-get update, then apt-get install pidgin |
| 15:26.11 | harpal | cinex: I dont wont that folder, sowhen I extract that file than we have files in same directory not that folder |
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| 15:26.32 | ton32 | someone here has the CISA certification? (sorry for the OT) |
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| 15:26.40 | themill | shark: ok. you need to follow the rest of the instructions from the botblurb on simple sid backport |
| 15:26.43 | smhar | hello all, |
| 15:26.50 | cinex | harpal: dont distribute it :P |
| 15:26.51 | themill | !tell shark about simple sid backport |
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| 15:27.20 | wintix | is there something like exchange (client and/or server) for debian? i googled a while but didn't really find something usefull. |
| 15:27.28 | harpal | cinex: thanx |
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| 15:27.29 | themill | harpal: tar jcf ../archive.tar.bz2 * |
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| 15:27.52 | themill | harpal: but that won't pick up .files or .dirs |
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| 15:28.51 | smhar | I finished installing debian etch on an old computer I have using the install floppies, the problem is... it doesn't seem to boot from the harddisk. I can only access the harddisk from a floppy, how can I change grub boot option to boot from floppy, using the debian installation floppies |
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| 15:29.24 | harpal | themill: I have tried that tar cvzf ../archive.tar.gz `ls -a` than it include all files, but when I try to untar that than it giving me error |
| 15:29.30 | linomix | themill: I think it takes hiiden files & dirs also |
| 15:29.47 | themill | linomix: * does not match .files |
| 15:29.54 | cinex | themill: true |
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| 15:30.23 | silvertip257 | themill: http://rafb.net/p/5Hc1H772.html |
| 15:30.25 | themill | harpal: why use ls -a? ls -1 perhaps/// |
| 15:30.25 | liable | smhar: if it boots from floppy, run grub-install |
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| 15:30.55 | linomix | maybe then you can try: ls -a | tar jcf filename.tar.bz2 |
| 15:30.59 | themill | silvertip257: are you trying to run sid or are you just running a mixed system |
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| 15:31.17 | silvertip257 | themill: i'm running etch, but I'd like pidgin -- or did want it |
| 15:31.25 | themill | harpal: if you want .files too then just tar jcf ../archive.tar.bz2 . |
| 15:31.33 | cinex | $poo=`ls -a DIR`; tar file.tar.gz $poo |
| 15:31.34 | themill | (note the extra . at the end) |
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| 15:32.32 | cinex | -$ |
| 15:32.40 | frojnd | is it right to put horizontal refresh rate at the back of the screen resolution, like this?? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34066/ |
| 15:32.48 | harpal | themill: ls -a lists all hidden files and directory so I have taken that |
| 15:32.54 | silvertip257 | themill: I'm thinking about nuking this install -- how might I do things correctly? |
| 15:33.00 | harpal | ok let me try |
| 15:33.47 | frojnd | Can I set refresh rate of crt monitor like this: "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"@85 ?? |
| 15:33.54 | themill | harpal: be careful with ls... it will often give two-column (or more) output. use the -1 (one) option |
| 15:33.54 | frojnd | so I put @85 at the back ? |
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| 15:34.42 | silvertip257 | frojnd: look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf -- it's all set up in there -- just scroll down to the resolutions -- there will be as section for refreshrates |
| 15:34.43 | liable | hrm |
| 15:34.55 | liable | eek |
| 15:35.06 | themill | harpal, cinex: all your ls schemes will also fail if you have filenames with spaces in them |
| 15:35.15 | liable | someone is playing with there botnet |
| 15:35.32 | Ronin | looks like it liable |
| 15:35.48 | silvertip257 | ? |
| 15:35.52 | JarJarBinks | ? |
| 15:35.58 | frojnd | silvertip257: well this is my xorg.con output, where are refrsh rates? |
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| 15:36.15 | silvertip257 | just a sec I'll get you the right section |
| 15:36.19 | JarJarBinks | frojnd: google for modelines |
| 15:36.33 | frojnd | JarJarBinks: hm ? :S |
| 15:36.54 | themill | silvertip257: you could reinstall over the top. You can't downgrade. If you then reinstall etch and you want pidgin, you should /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:37.00 | JarJarBinks | those telling which vsync, hsync etc a certain resolution is to be shown with |
| 15:37.02 | themill | !tell silvertip257 about reinstall |
| 15:37.03 | frojnd | JarJarBinks: what exactly I'm looking for ? |
| 15:37.16 | harpal | themill: than can . consider the filenames with space? |
| 15:37.27 | silvertip257 | what the ? themill ... |
| 15:37.57 | silvertip257 | fronjd: in the section Monitor right above the resolutions |
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| 15:38.29 | themill | harpal: yes. tar descends recursively through the directory structure, you're not specifying anything to it other than the current directory which is always . |
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| 15:39.02 | themill | harpal: the other methods were trying to supply a list of files. in a list of files, you have to be careful how the list is separated (spaces? lines? etc) |
| 15:39.27 | JarJarBinks | frojnd: google.com/search?q=xorg+modeline |
| 15:39.29 | themill | silvertip257: you asked about nuking the install and getting pidgin properly, didn't oyu? |
| 15:39.33 | themill | *you |
| 15:39.36 | silvertip257 | yes |
| 15:39.47 | silvertip257 | but I figured I'd go back to the netinstall thing |
| 15:39.56 | harpal | themill: thanx |
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| 15:40.06 | silvertip257 | and forget screwing w/ the broken system ... it is pretty badly mangled ? |
| 15:40.08 | themill | you can do that too... depends how keen you are. Probably easier to do so |
| 15:40.28 | silvertip257 | themill: I've used other distros, but this is my first real experiment w/ debian |
| 15:40.39 | themill | silvertip257: if you have a pile packages that you want to bring in after the netinstall then the dpkg --get-selections trick is hand. |
| 15:40.44 | themill | *handy |
| 15:40.53 | silvertip257 | hmm\ |
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| 15:41.41 | silvertip257 | themill: so dpkg --get-selections <package names strung here> ? |
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| 15:42.23 | cinex | how do you tell what version of thing syou have installed ? |
| 15:42.53 | themill | silvertip257: no, from that last factoid: dpkg --get-selections > packagelist.txt and then dpkg --set-selections < packagelist.txt later to restore it |
| 15:43.01 | silvertip257 | oh |
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| 15:43.10 | themill | cinex: dpkg -l |
| 15:43.33 | cinex | thanks themill |
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| 15:43.39 | themill | np |
| 15:43.45 | silvertip257 | well themill: that might be tricky -- I'd have to edit my sources.list right there then ... |
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| 15:44.01 | RockerMONO | how can i adjust the volume??? it's just loud enough to get distorted =\ |
| 15:45.10 | themill | silvertip257: it's not that difficult. Just run --get-selections now and store the file on a usb key. Then do the fresh install. Then stick your usb key in and then restore the list with --set-selections. |
| 15:45.13 | jelly | eww.... aptitude install bazaar dumped core on me |
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| 15:45.32 | themill | jelly: aptitude really is having a bad day today |
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| 15:46.26 | lost_in_hk | greetings all, hoping i can get a bit of help, i am in an internet cafe trying to connect my laptop running debian stable, i have set ip settings correctly (i think) and dns servers in /etc/resolv.conf. i can ping gateway and dns servers, but nothing seems to resolve. any ideas please! |
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| 15:46.35 | jelly | themill: I've seen the "wanna remove hosts of packages" bug already, this segfault is new |
| 15:46.46 | lost_in_hk | btw am typing this from a window machine :( |
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| 15:47.01 | themill | jelly: I'm sure that makes it all the better to have a new experience then ;) |
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| 15:47.23 | LordLamer | apa/quit |
| 15:47.25 | jean | Hi, Is it possible to repair a disk with damaged superblocks if all copied superblocks are damaged too? Fsck and testdisk didn't work. |
| 15:47.28 | themill | lost_in_hk: are you using static ip or dhcp? |
| 15:47.29 | silvertip257 | themill: it's looking weird, so it's gettin nuked - plus it says lenny/sid for the version ;) |
| 15:47.55 | lost_in_hk | static, using ip's suggested by staff who are helpful but known nothing about linux |
| 15:47.55 | jelly | themill: I'm all for new experiences. You got any acid? |
| 15:48.01 | themill | silvertip257: yep... upgrading libc6 is a very very bad idea unless you do it properly. |
| 15:48.12 | themill | jelly: ask stoned ;) |
| 15:48.13 | silvertip257 | :( |
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| 15:48.55 | jelly | themill: based on his nick, he'll likely recommend a date with Mary Jane instead |
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| 15:50.16 | RockerMONO | how do i adjust the volume in debian??? i dont see any settings for it |
| 15:50.18 | lost_in_hk | i just put info in /etc/network/interfaces then did /etc/init.d/networking restart, ifconfig eth0 looks right |
| 15:50.20 | jelly | hcy: still no luck with kernel? |
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| 15:50.31 | cinex | RockerMONO: you can install "aumix" |
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| 15:50.45 | themill | RockerMONO: from the command line run alsamixer |
| 15:50.51 | jean | Hi again (last time I ask) , Is it possible to repair a disk with damaged superblocks if all copied superblocks are damaged too? Fsck and testdisk didn't work. |
| 15:51.02 | RockerMONO | themill: what alsamixer?... |
| 15:51.14 | cinex | RockerMONO: if your using kde install kmix |
| 15:51.19 | RockerMONO | themill: hm... you'd expect their to be a link to ti somewhere lol |
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| 15:51.31 | cinex | RockerMONO: if kmix doesnt work aumix will |
| 15:51.37 | jelly | themill: color me stupid... I just tried to "aptitude install libstdc++6-dbg" to debug the segfault with aptitude install... |
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| 15:52.21 | themill | jelly: sounds like the days when redhat broke libc and things were segfaulting faster then you could reinstall them.... |
| 15:52.31 | jelly | teehee |
| 15:52.52 | jelly | themill: apt-get works, thankfully |
| 15:53.19 | ravn | anyone: I need to install a new kernel. How do I do this? I did make menuconfig; make; make install; But then I didn't get any initrd... |
| 15:53.24 | themill | probably won't need to change your underwear then |
| 15:53.51 | cinex | ravn. there is a free book online. linux kernel in a nutshell (something like that) |
| 15:53.57 | themill | lost_in_hk: that sounds fine so far. if you nslookup www.google.com the.ip.of.their.dns what happens? |
| 15:53.57 | cinex | the author is giving it away |
| 15:54.16 | jelly | themill: had my share of broken libcs, now I have a couple of statically linked shells w/everything installed now |
| 15:54.28 | themill | !tell ravn about compile kernel |
| 15:54.31 | cinex | ravn: http://www.kroah.com/lkn/ |
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| 15:54.46 | themill | ravn: do things the debian way and it will be much easier for you. |
| 15:55.06 | cinex | easy is for the weak :P |
| 15:55.09 | lost_in_hk | get a non-authorative answer ! |
| 15:55.13 | themill | jelly: ouch... belt + braces. |
| 15:55.22 | itchi | ravn: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 15:55.23 | themill | lost_in_hk: but an answer none-the-less. ;) |
| 15:55.38 | themill | lost_in_hk: double check what you've got in resolv.conf then |
| 15:55.44 | lost_in_hk | themill: yes, and it'S probably right :) |
| 15:56.20 | itchi | ravn: There are two other one's i have bookmarked on my site http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/links/index.php?type=Linux+kernel |
| 15:56.21 | lost_in_hk | themill: i just pasted the ip from the resolv.conf, so i think it must be correct |
| 15:56.24 | jelly | How not to use /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 for a one-shot command if libc6-i686 is installed? |
| 15:56.26 | themill | lost_in_hk: actually, it might be a dodgy answer sending you to their sign-up page or something. That is unfortunately very common. |
| 15:56.46 | themill | lost_in_hk: you don't have some duff syntax in resolv.conf? |
| 15:57.01 | themill | lost_in_hk: try that nslookup again but without specifying the server |
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| 15:59.00 | frojnd | Does anyone if I need to install anything special if I wanna use router switch for monitor, mouse and keyboard ?? Do I have install any extra drivers for this switch or are settings for keyboard just ok ?? |
| 15:59.11 | lost_in_hk | themill: thanks, somebody beat me with a clue stick, duff syntax, working now, thanks very much |
| 15:59.26 | themill | lost_in_hk: excellent. enjoy honkers |
| 15:59.32 | lost_in_hk | cheers |
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| 16:02.38 | unsolo | hmm how hard is it to get debian to boot of lvm ? |
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| 16:03.11 | themill | unsolo: lvm for /boot or / ? |
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| 16:03.52 | ravn | themill: what is the Debian way in this case? I really would like to do that, however I don't know that that is... |
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| 16:04.06 | itchi | frojnd: And in english? |
| 16:04.37 | themill | !tell ravn about compile kernel |
| 16:04.42 | itchi | frojnd: Do you mean a KVM? A keyboard, mouse, monitor switch? 2 comp connected to it to share the kbd, mouse ... ? |
| 16:04.44 | frojnd | itichi: have u ever heard for a device thar routes one monitor on two computers (boxes) ? |
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| 16:04.51 | frojnd | itichi: yes |
| 16:05.07 | itchi | frojnd: Sure, i have two things here so |
| 16:05.11 | frojnd | itichi: and now I don't know if I need any special drivers for supporting this.. |
| 16:05.20 | itchi | frojnd: Why should it? |
| 16:05.22 | frojnd | itichi: how did u manage to work |
| 16:05.26 | frojnd | itichi: don't know.. |
| 16:05.27 | petemc | frojnd: a kvm, or use synergy2 |
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| 16:05.37 | frojnd | petemc: kvm is a driver ? |
| 16:05.37 | itchi | frojnd: Just plug and play (tm) |
| 16:05.41 | petemc | oh, no |
| 16:05.48 | itchi | frojnd: No, it's hardware, hold on |
| 16:05.48 | robbo | how can i lookup an ip so host won't display .in-addr.arpa stuff? just reverse |
| 16:05.49 | frojnd | itichi: play (tm) what does that mean |
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| 16:06.02 | itchi | frojnd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVM_switch |
| 16:06.02 | smhar | liable, trying grub-installer from the floppy only tries installing grub into harddisk, there is no option to change that |
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| 16:06.07 | petemc | frojnd: ignore me, synergy is just keyboards, not monitors |
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| 16:06.46 | itchi | frojnd: That's a joke(tm) to heh, |
| 16:06.58 | frojnd | itichi :) |
| 16:07.06 | frojnd | itichi: yes I have this device |
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| 16:07.09 | itchi | frojnd: tm = Trademark |
| 16:07.16 | frojnd | itichi: oh, ok |
| 16:07.26 | frojnd | itichi: so I just plug it in and everything works ? |
| 16:07.27 | frojnd | fine |
| 16:08.01 | harpal | When I try to boot in to linux than its giving me /sbin/init: 432: can not open /dev/console : no such file |
| 16:08.19 | itchi | frojnd: I not need any special module/driver here. It's just a key combination i need to press to switch to the other computer. That depend of the brand and model. I have 2 diff brands here and both use another key combination |
| 16:08.20 | harpal | Kernel Panic : Attempted to kill init |
| 16:09.02 | frojnd | itchi: my uses on (at least XPs) scrool lock twice time hit in 2 seconds range |
| 16:09.33 | itchi | frojnd: One here is the same. The other one take always 5 minutes to figure it out :-p |
| 16:09.56 | itchi | frojnd: ctrl, ctrl, esc |
| 16:10.02 | frojnd | itichi: omg... |
| 16:10.55 | frojnd | itichi: what model |
| 16:11.15 | itchi | frojnd: Some cheap thingy, "made in china" is there noted on. wtf :-( |
| 16:11.42 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 16:11.43 | frojnd | itichi: lol |
| 16:11.45 | itchi | frojnd: A "Bona" one |
| 16:11.53 | itchi | TrueDD: Bonjour mon petit lapin :-p |
| 16:12.03 | frojnd | choos |
| 16:12.05 | TrueDD | lol |
| 16:12.10 | TrueDD | hi itchi |
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| 16:12.25 | cberlo | Hi folks. Anyone played around with pam_exec or pam_script? I'm trying to rework my authentication system and getting a bit stuck here. |
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| 16:13.10 | frojnd | damn it. Why does movies play so slow... also youtube. It's like 5pictures in 5 seconds.. |
| 16:13.11 | frojnd | :S |
| 16:13.18 | itchi | frojnd: The other one is 'myPico 2' |
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| 16:13.27 | alex-p2-400 | hello all |
| 16:13.32 | itchi | frojnd: 3D is been working well? |
| 16:13.33 | frojnd | itichi: a littlbe bit more familiar the other one |
| 16:13.44 | frojnd | itichi: what do u mean weath 3d |
| 16:14.17 | itchi | frojnd: I meaned if you been have 3D acceleration. Try it out, play a game ;-) |
| 16:14.26 | alex-p2-400 | someone here know the app fasterfox for firefox? can i install this also on iceweasel ? |
| 16:14.34 | frojnd | itichi: like what game? |
| 16:14.45 | itchi | alex-p2-400: My big guess of the day; yes |
| 16:14.50 | frojnd | itichi: I only have games that are by default there |
| 16:15.00 | frojnd | itichi: don't think there are any 3d .. |
| 16:15.00 | itchi | alex-p2-400: firefox == iceweasel |
| 16:15.12 | itchi | frojnd: You may need to set it up |
| 16:15.25 | alex-p2-400 | kk :) |
| 16:15.26 | frojnd | tichi: one small game? |
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| 16:15.34 | frojnd | itichi: to load.. |
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| 16:15.49 | itchi | frojnd: Euhm, ... euhm, wait, cause i almost not play games here |
| 16:15.56 | alex-p2-400 | so what is the difference between iceweasel and firefox? |
| 16:16.10 | frojnd | itichi: me neither :) |
| 16:16.13 | RockerMONO | hey, how can i shutdown x via terminal? it stopped working for some reason =\ |
| 16:16.14 | itchi | frojnd: gl-117 |
| 16:16.27 | alex-p2-400 | !iceweasel |
| 16:16.27 | dpkg | from memory, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 16:16.38 | jelly | RockerMONO: even ctrl-alt-backspace does not work? |
| 16:16.39 | uygar | hej, shall i install ubuntu or debian for my php based web-site. whic one is better for php ? |
| 16:16.45 | RockerMONO | jelly: no :( |
| 16:16.56 | RockerMONO | jelly: no icons show up on the desktop either |
| 16:17.05 | alex-p2-400 | so ? |
| 16:17.24 | jelly | RockerMONO: you could kill the X server process, but that might leave your graphic card in a weird state |
| 16:17.52 | RockerMONO | jelly: but the bars at the bottom and top both work |
| 16:17.52 | itchi | alex-p2-400: Try it out, the best thing |
| 16:17.52 | RockerMONO | jelly: should i just reboot? |
| 16:17.52 | jelly | RockerMONO: gnome? |
| 16:17.52 | RockerMONO | jelly: xfce |
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| 16:17.53 | itchi | RockerMONO: wait, reboot, what's that? |
| 16:17.58 | RockerMONO | itchi: ...restarting your computer =P |
| 16:17.59 | jelly | RockerMONO: so click the log out button |
| 16:18.10 | itchi | RockerMONO: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 16:18.17 | dkr | uygar: debian stable is better for a server. (not necessarily any better for php specifically) |
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| 16:18.29 | itchi | RockerMONO: Or restart whatever dm you may have |
| 16:18.36 | RockerMONO | itchi: dm? |
| 16:18.42 | itchi | RockerMONO: Try /msg dpkg dm |
| 16:19.08 | jelly | hm, aptitude stopped segfaulting after a reboot. I blame vmware. |
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| 16:19.18 | RockerMONO | itchi: wouldn't that basically be logging out?... |
| 16:19.25 | alex-p2-400 | yeah i have in the past but i cant really find any big difference between those two... |
| 16:19.26 | jelly | yay |
| 16:19.31 | itchi | ... looks like heh :-p |
| 16:19.53 | sshhhh | hi everybody, I`m having some problems with oom-killer in debian, can anybody help me, pleas? |
| 16:19.54 | itchi | YACOC time :-p |
| 16:19.58 | frojnd | itichi: hm, I've installed gl-117 but when I write in a console: gl-117 command not found |
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| 16:20.05 | petemc | sshhhh: what kind of problems? |
| 16:20.22 | sshhhh | it goes crazy when I make a memtest |
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| 16:20.35 | sshhhh | I have 1 gb ram and 2 gb of swap |
| 16:20.39 | jelly | sshhhh: that's what it's supposed to do! |
| 16:20.40 | RockerMONO | that worked =P |
| 16:20.43 | RockerMONO | itchi: that worked haha =P |
| 16:20.50 | itchi | RockerMONO: Sure :-p |
| 16:21.00 | RockerMONO | but it screwed up my internet for a moment |
| 16:21.09 | RockerMONO | but it's all good now =] |
| 16:21.09 | jelly | sshhhh: you force the kernel to a low memory situation, OOM killer activates |
| 16:21.11 | itchi | frojnd: That should be work(tm) |
| 16:21.17 | sshhhh | and when i make a memtest mem 1G it goes crazy, it starts to kill everything |
| 16:21.19 | itchi | I love tm's today it seems |
| 16:21.37 | MTecknology | I'm trying to use sshfs to mount a remote folder. After I enter the password, I get an error 'fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory' |
| 16:21.44 | jelly | sshhhh: do you want to test your memory? use memtest86+ |
| 16:21.46 | MTecknology | what am I missing? |
| 16:21.51 | RockerMONO | is it remotely possible to have flash be nice to iceweasel??? cuz i think that's what the problem was =\ |
| 16:22.05 | sshhhh | jelly,but the problem is that using raid1 and copying large files, oom-killer enters in action :P, that is a problem |
| 16:22.10 | jelly | MTecknology: kernel fuse module is not loaded |
| 16:22.19 | MTecknology | jelly, ty |
| 16:22.22 | itchi | frojnd: Do dpkg -L gl-117 that shows up the list of installed files concerning this package |
| 16:22.53 | itchi | frojnd: You been started gl-117 as non root heh? |
| 16:22.56 | jelly | sshhhh: that is a legit problem, yes |
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| 16:23.34 | sshhhh | jelly, legit problem?? sorry, i dont understand |
| 16:23.39 | frojnd | itichi: nop, as root |
| 16:23.41 | jelly | sshhhh: a real problem |
| 16:23.48 | jelly | "legitimate" |
| 16:24.00 | alex-p2-400 | aja, someone know the issue from the nvidia driver site after you accept the license agreement i get the whole codec listed in my browser, can i tell iceweasel (firefox) to download this instead of showing me the whole thing? |
| 16:24.15 | unsolo | themill: for /boot |
| 16:24.31 | itchi | alex-p2-400: Right click on the link, save as. Somethings like that |
| 16:24.33 | frojnd | itichi: it was in /ust/games/gl-117 |
| 16:24.42 | RockerMONO | is it remotely possible to make Flash and Debian work together without using all the memory or just crashing the whole thing? |
| 16:24.51 | alex-p2-400 | but i like to left click things :p |
| 16:25.01 | sshhhh | do you know if is a bug or something? do you know how to resolve it? I'm trying to make my server work and I don`t want it to hang up at any time |
| 16:25.06 | itchi | frojnd: I may not believe you need to type /usr/games/gl-117 to get it running |
| 16:25.07 | frojnd | itichi: this goes waaaaaaaay to slow..... 1fps :( |
| 16:25.10 | jelly | sshhhh: which kernel version? do you have weird settings in /etc/sysctl.conf or manually set some /proc/sys/vm variables? |
| 16:25.23 | itchi | frojnd: You know your problem now :-) |
| 16:25.25 | frojnd | itichi: I just make it so /usr/games.. |
| 16:25.28 | frojnd | hm |
| 16:25.30 | itchi | frojnd: Setup 3D :-p |
| 16:25.36 | frojnd | itichi: like how ? |
| 16:25.48 | itchi | frojnd: That depend of the brand and model you may have |
| 16:26.05 | frojnd | itichi: I can give u lspci output |
| 16:26.19 | itchi | frojnd: Pastebin that after my break of 10 mins :-) |
| 16:26.35 | sshhhh | jelly: i've tested the debian default (stable, 2.6.18), and the last kernel from www.kernel.org (i recompile it manually). I also configure some parameters in /proc/sys/vm but nothinseems to work |
| 16:26.36 | frojnd | itichi: I have old graphic card though... but movies works fine on winblows 98 |
| 16:26.36 | itchi | frojnd: Or go right now. Someone others may help you to |
| 16:26.46 | itchi | frojnd: Ati or nvidia? |
| 16:26.47 | alex-p2-400 | no problem downloading the driver, normally i just copy the linck location and download it with wget... but... there must be a more comfort way? |
| 16:26.56 | itchi | bah, i'm that sad |
| 16:27.03 | alex-p2-400 | through my browser |
| 16:27.05 | alex-p2-400 | no? |
| 16:27.32 | itchi | alex-p2-400: Normally yes, i may think that there's a problem with the website |
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| 16:28.07 | E-bola | How is tmpfs specified in debian |
| 16:28.11 | E-bola | its not shown in fstab |
| 16:28.19 | alex-p2-400 | you mean windump based crap site? |
| 16:28.20 | sshhhh | jelly, i'm doing "hang reproductions" with memtest (i have 1Gb ram + 2Gb swap), and i run memtest to use 1Gb ram, so it shouldn't hang, should it? |
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| 16:29.08 | jelly | sshhhh: make it use a bit less, say 800-900MB. memtest tries to lock all the memory so it can't be swapped out. |
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| 16:29.35 | sshhhh | jelly: when I use mem 900M it goes ok |
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| 16:30.34 | jelly | sshhhh: I'd make it use and hold 900MB, then try to reproduce the issue with something else |
| 16:30.58 | alex-p2-400 | kk :) |
| 16:31.08 | SoulChild | how do i deactivate UUID's in grub/menu.lst ??? tried already to change "kopt" to "/ev/hda3" but update-grub still puts the UUID's as device names , any help would be great ! |
| 16:31.16 | various | quick question for anyone....i'm trying to compile the newest alsa and during the ./configure i get an error saying i need a curses library...what should i download and install? |
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| 16:32.05 | jelly | sshhhh: also, try asking in ##kernel |
| 16:32.24 | teclo | Hello. What ftp client can most easily be called from a shell script ? ftp, lftp, ncftp, other ? |
| 16:32.31 | frojnd | itichi: it's integrated and old: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34081/ |
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| 16:32.41 | sshhhh | jelly: ok, I`m going to try it. Anyway, what parameters should I change in /proc/sys/vm? do you know the meaning of the issues in /proc/sys/vm? |
| 16:32.50 | frojnd | itichi: I'll paste again in 7 mins |
| 16:32.56 | jelly | sshhhh: change nothing for start :-) |
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| 16:33.09 | sshhhh | jelly: sorry, I ment /proc/sys/vm/lowmem_reserve_ratio |
| 16:33.25 | sshhhh | jelly: ok, ok, I will ask in |
| 16:33.34 | sshhhh | kernel |
| 16:33.39 | SmallR2002 | hmmm |
| 16:33.48 | sshhhh | jelly: thanks for your help |
| 16:34.10 | jelly | sshhhh: np. I don't know much about this. |
| 16:34.11 | SmallR2002 | does anyone here by any chance have a working windix decoder? |
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| 16:34.29 | jelly | SmallR2002: how come you're sometimes 2002, sometimes 2003? |
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| 16:34.42 | SmallR2002 | it adds one if i get pinged out :( |
| 16:34.43 | unsolo | so is lvm /boot and / any problem i mean do i need to make any special initrd or similar or is the standard 2.6.18-4 kernel capable of booting from it |
| 16:34.48 | jelly | ah |
| 16:35.02 | SmallR2002 | on some sad days i'm 2004 |
| 16:35.17 | StarWars | hi where i add my new IP Adress ? /etc/network/interfaces ?? i have 2 IP. 1 is add. |
| 16:35.24 | jelly | SmallR2002: if you get to the current year, change ISPs |
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| 16:35.32 | SmallR2002 | jelly, hehe |
| 16:36.22 | SmallR2002 | jelly, have you come across this windix format yet? it's some weird video compressor |
| 16:37.02 | jelly | SmallR2002: maybe there's a dll in w32codecs? |
| 16:37.05 | StarWars | hi where i add my new IP Adress ? /etc/network/interfaces ?? i have 2 IP. 1 is add. And what is the command to add new IP ? |
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| 16:37.25 | itchi | frojnd: I'm back ;-) |
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| 16:38.07 | itchi | frojnd: Don't esitate to ask here to #debian Many people are much more knowledgabler that me heh ;-) |
| 16:38.20 | thechef | my cable modem crashed before.. |
| 16:38.23 | thechef | I don't get kwlan to work, it says that it is unable to start wpa_supplicant and that's all it says, i use debian etch, any ideas? |
| 16:38.29 | SmallR2002 | jelly, nope, it appears to be a spyware decoder/encoder for videos, [de]compresses a file by adding/removing a header :p |
| 16:38.32 | thechef | I want to setup WPA |
| 16:38.35 | SmallR2002 | jelly, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winzix |
| 16:38.44 | StarWars | !interfaces |
| 16:38.44 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 16:38.46 | frojnd | itichi: maybe they are but the aren't available.. |
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| 16:39.27 | itchi | frojnd: Try to write my nick correct. That highlight my nick (color it in yellow) then. Use the TAB key on your keyboard. Try to do itc<TAB> |
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| 16:39.39 | frojnd | itchi: sorry |
| 16:39.52 | StarWars | anybody can tell me how i add a NEW ip ?? IN /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 16:39.53 | frojnd | itichi: wow.. |
| 16:39.54 | itchi | frojnd: No problem, but i pay better attention then :-) |
| 16:39.58 | frojnd | itchi: WOW! |
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| 16:40.18 | itchi | StarWars: Take the example you have ?? |
| 16:40.40 | itchi | frjn: Do you see the difference? |
| 16:40.44 | itchi | frojnd: Do you see the difference? |
| 16:41.00 | frojnd | itchi: I know what u mean.. |
| 16:41.22 | frojnd | itchi: just that I was sure that I write correctly... this nickTAB is very useful, thanx |
| 16:41.24 | itchi | frojnd: Is it an Ati or an Nvidia gfx card? |
| 16:41.34 | frojnd | itchi: it's integrated |
| 16:41.45 | frojnd | itchi: don't know what it is |
| 16:41.49 | itchi | frojnd: That's the same way to use the build-in command of your irc client ;-) |
| 16:42.00 | SmallR2002 | jelly, would look like it's yet another cheap bit of spyware >.< |
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| 16:42.26 | jelly | SmallR2002: well, if the info on that page is correct, you can dd the original file out of it easily |
| 16:42.29 | itchi | frojnd: Try '/he<TAB>' |
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| 16:42.58 | SmallR2002 | jelly, i've never been too good at dd, i generally prefer a hex editor, how would i use dd for it? |
| 16:43.03 | frojnd | itchi: nothing happens |
| 16:43.28 | itchi | frojnd: You may use a dumb irc client :-) I'm proud to say that i use the best irc client :-) :-p |
| 16:43.31 | itchi | !irssi |
| 16:43.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
| 16:43.34 | StarWars | new IP add IS OK ?? http://www.pastebin.ca/661220 |
| 16:43.45 | frojnd | itchi: I use irssi when I'm remote :) |
| 16:43.45 | StarWars | itchi pls chk http://www.pastebin.ca/661220 |
| 16:43.48 | jelly | SmallR2002: how big is your zix file? |
| 16:44.10 | pocukrani | which kernel is the best for running debian etch server with apache, ftp, psybnc, and bots ? |
| 16:44.29 | itchi | pocukrani: These that is considered as stable one ... |
| 16:44.37 | SmallR2002 | jelly, stat says: Size: 730226447 |
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| 16:44.47 | itchi | pocukrani: These you may have available on etch anyway |
| 16:44.47 | frojnd | pocukrani: dej mi pomagaj :D |
| 16:44.54 | jelly | pocukrani: if you don't know any better, the one from the distro. |
| 16:45.09 | wAndyw78 | Hi at all. I need an little hint. I have 2 PCs running debian lenny, connected via TCP/IP. How can both X-Screens tied together to one big? I only want to use one mouse/keyboard |
| 16:45.15 | pocukrani | frojnd, kako? |
| 16:45.17 | SmallR2002 | jelly, given time i'm sure there'll be a basic util for it |
| 16:46.11 | \amethyst | wAndyw78: maybe look at x2x |
| 16:46.11 | xand | wAndyw78: well you could use synergy |
| 16:46.12 | frojnd | pocukrani: ce ti dam output od hardwarja, bos znau povedat kako grafo mam, je integrirana pa mam probleme z driverji... oz z 3d supportom |
| 16:46.12 | jelly | SmallR2002: can you do this: losetup -o 11 /dev/loop0 /your/zix/file ... then do file -s /dev/loop0 |
| 16:46.22 | xand | frojnd: english please |
| 16:46.34 | StarWars | can anybody show me how to add a second IP adress ?? or Not |
| 16:46.49 | pocukrani | jelly, itchi i have think my kernel on server was guilty becouse my psybnc don`t reconnect when my ISP disconnected me for some mtime |
| 16:47.04 | itchi | frojnd: Whe still no know the brand/model heh :-p |
| 16:47.05 | jelly | frojnd: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ could tell you which driver to use for the graphic card |
| 16:47.07 | itchi | bah |
| 16:47.08 | pocukrani | frojnd, kaži |
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| 16:47.24 | ixion_uk | any fwbuilder users in here? |
| 16:47.27 | jelly | pocukrani: unlikely |
| 16:47.30 | wAndyw78 | xand: amethyst: Thank you for the tips, I'll have a look |
| 16:47.40 | alex-p2-400 | wunderbar! nvidia drivers installed smoothly |
| 16:47.41 | SmallR2002 | jelly, first commend returns: /dev/loop0: No such file or directory |
| 16:47.46 | frojnd | pocukrani: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34081/ |
| 16:47.47 | alex-p2-400 | debian rulez! |
| 16:48.04 | SmallR2002 | jelly, shouldn't it be loop/0? |
| 16:48.16 | SmallR2002 | hmmm, that works |
| 16:48.22 | pocukrani | jelly, truly |
| 16:48.22 | alex-p2-400 | !selinux |
| 16:48.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, selinux is NSA's port to Linux of the FLASK security Architectur, called Security Enhanced Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. http://selinux.sourceforge.net/distros/debian.php3 |
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| 16:48.30 | jelly | SmallR2002: meh. /dev/loop/0 |
| 16:48.37 | alex-p2-400 | kk |
| 16:48.49 | StarWars | eth0 First IP and eth1 second IP ? |
| 16:48.56 | SmallR2002 | $ sudo file -s /dev/loop/0 |
| 16:48.56 | SmallR2002 | /dev/loop/0: data |
| 16:49.42 | jelly | SmallR2002: so, file doesn't know about it. howz about mplayer /dev/loop0 (it exists now) |
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| 16:50.05 | frojnd | jelly, itchi: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34083/ or lscpi -n : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34084/ |
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| 16:50.14 | frojnd | pocukrani: any luck ? |
| 16:50.14 | jelly | SmallR2002: what's it supposed to be? a CD image? |
| 16:50.22 | pocukrani | frojnd, nebi znal |
| 16:50.32 | frojnd | pocukrani: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34083/ or lscpi -n : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34084/ |
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| 16:50.41 | alex-p2-400 | someone here know tunapie? |
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| 16:50.46 | StarWars | any Network Helper in ??? |
| 16:50.46 | SmallR2002 | jelly, it's a .avi file i believe, but, it needs the header/footer stripping |
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| 16:50.53 | frojnd | pocukrani: lscpi -n prlimas v: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi pa vids |
| 16:50.56 | jelly | frojnd: 10238500 Yes Trident Microsystems CyberBlade/i1 tridentfb,cyblafb v2.6.21 ... that's your card |
| 16:50.56 | itchi | frojnd: Line 11. But i dunno which driver you need for that :-s |
| 16:51.05 | frojnd | jelly: gresat |
| 16:51.09 | frojnd | great* |
| 16:51.20 | frojnd | jelly: so I need to install trident |
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| 16:51.24 | jelly | I don't think cyberblade has any 3D capability worth mention |
| 16:51.32 | RockerMONO | anyone know why i'd get a weird buzzing froim my speakers if they're set at anything above muted? |
| 16:51.34 | StarWars | !eth0 |
| 16:51.34 | dpkg | methinks eth0 is not setup |
| 16:51.36 | SmallR2002 | jelly, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winzix#v2.0_Format |
| 16:51.46 | StarWars | !eth1 |
| 16:51.50 | unsolo | i need a hand migrating my debian from a broken software raid sollution over to lvm |
| 16:51.52 | StarWars | !network |
| 16:51.53 | dpkg | This refers to a group of interconnected computers. The computers must be capable of transferring data to form a true network--you can't just weld a bunch of computers together. |
| 16:51.55 | unsolo | including / and /boot |
| 16:52.04 | StarWars | !ip |
| 16:52.04 | dpkg | starwars IP is a connectionless, best-effort packet switching protocol. It provides packet routing, fragmentation and re-assembly through the data link layer. [internet protocol], or to check yours, go to http://iplookup.flashfxp.com/, or if you don't have a piece of official looking paper declaring your ownership (or even if you do) it probably belongs to SCO (or they'll lock you up in court for a couple years in a pretense that it is) |
| 16:52.08 | ixion_uk | StarWars: what do you mean eth0 first IP eth1 second ip ?? |
| 16:52.11 | frojnd | jelly: it's ironic I allready have trident in xorg :S: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34085/ |
| 16:52.12 | alex-p2-400 | !tunapie |
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| 16:52.29 | jelly | frojnd: does 2D work? |
| 16:52.29 | linomix | !dsl |
| 16:52.30 | dpkg | methinks dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux (ask me about <based on debian>) |
| 16:52.47 | alex-p2-400 | !need more booz |
| 16:52.49 | frojnd | jelly: yes but when I had winbl0ws 98 movies worked.. |
| 16:52.50 | wAndyw78 | xand: wow, x2x and synergy is exactly what I was searching for over 2 hours. Thanks you |
| 16:52.55 | StarWars | ixion_uk i have 2 IP adress .. one IP is aready Add ...etho0 netmask ..the second IP how i add ? |
| 16:53.11 | ixion_uk | StarWars: vim /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:53.30 | StarWars | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.31 | alex-p2-400 | !mplayer |
| 16:53.31 | dpkg | mplayer is, like, in Debian beginning with Etch. See README.Debian in the Debian package for details. You may want to use a player based on xine-lib or vlc instead. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
| 16:53.33 | ixion_uk | StarWars: refer to the configuration for eth0 to help you populate eth1 |
| 16:53.53 | jelly | frojnd: 3D is not needed to play movies. |
| 16:53.54 | linomix | !xfs |
| 16:53.54 | dpkg | well, xfs is the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support. see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ or http://www.lwfug.org/debian/ for xfs deb tools and deb kernels, or far better and more mature than reiserfs, but not as mature (in linux) as ext3. It notoriously loses data if you have unexpected power failures. |
| 16:54.09 | alex-p2-400 | !streamtuner |
| 16:54.10 | frojnd | jelly: strange than, also movies on youtube don't work.. |
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| 16:54.16 | frojnd | jelly: what could this be ? |
| 16:54.24 | alex-p2-400 | !streamtuner |
| 16:54.32 | jelly | frojnd: do you have flash installed? |
| 16:54.36 | ixion_uk | StarWars: use common sense to edit the file and make a config for eth1 |
| 16:54.37 | frojnd | jelly: yes |
| 16:54.38 | alex-p2-400 | ??? |
| 16:54.45 | jelly | frojnd: do other flash pages work? |
| 16:54.46 | frojnd | jelly: just yesterday |
| 16:54.51 | frojnd | jelly: just a sec |
| 16:54.53 | linomix | !ffs |
| 16:54.53 | dpkg | from memory, ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
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| 16:55.06 | alex-p2-400 | !tunapie |
| 16:55.09 | jelly | 'hos Fooz? |
| 16:55.17 | ixion_uk | StarWars: there is enough information that file, by referring to the config for the first interface to "make" a config for the second one |
| 16:55.27 | itchi | frojnd: If you say that youtube is that slow, i'm sure that flash is installed |
| 16:55.32 | ixion_uk | StarWars: once done, type ifup eth1 |
| 16:55.37 | linomix | !steg |
| 16:55.49 | ixion_uk | anyone use fwbuilder in here?? |
| 16:55.50 | jelly | SmallR2002: eh, tried that dezix app? |
| 16:55.55 | itchi | !selftell |
| 16:55.55 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
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| 16:55.58 | \amethyst | linomix: you can do that with /msg dpkg steg etc, |
| 16:56.00 | frojnd | irchi, jelly: strange that bouth moveis and yputube works so slow |
| 16:56.05 | SmallR2002 | jelly, yes: http://rafb.net/p/aTyJqT95.html fails to compile |
| 16:56.23 | StarWars | ixion_uk all i need theer to copy frm eth0 and cheange in eth1 with new IP ? |
| 16:56.28 | jelly | SmallR2002: maybe you forgot to link it with zlib? :-) |
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| 16:56.34 | ixion_uk | StarWars: basically yes |
| 16:56.41 | StarWars | ok |
| 16:56.46 | itchi | frojnd: Your 3D not yet work right, if you get 1fps with games, even with that oldisch gfs card |
| 16:56.47 | alex-p2-400 | !winamp |
| 16:56.48 | dpkg | i guess winamp is a Win32 Audio player, or available for linux |
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| 16:56.58 | ixion_uk | !fwbuilder |
| 16:57.00 | ixion_uk | :/ |
| 16:57.13 | itchi | ixion_uk: Can you read? |
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| 16:57.18 | \amethyst | SmallR2002: try adding -lz to the compiler command line |
| 16:57.34 | jelly | SmallR2002: install zlib1g-dev; build with gcc -o dezix -lz dezix.c |
| 16:57.41 | ixion_uk | lol I cant answer no to that question |
| 16:57.44 | andyp_ | trying to download a 4.3gb file getting "segmentation fault" with wxdfast any other reasonable download managers out there? |
| 16:57.48 | ixion_uk | having read it |
| 16:58.06 | \amethyst | jelly: zlib1g-dev is already installed if that's not giving errors about missing header files |
| 16:58.22 | SmallR2002 | compiles, thanks \amethyst and jelly |
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| 16:59.14 | jelly | \amethyst: right, didn't think of that |
| 16:59.23 | SmallR2002 | hmmm |
| 16:59.30 | StarWars | ixion_uk is this OK ?? http://www.pastebin.ca/661230 |
| 16:59.30 | SmallR2002 | it seg faults |
| 16:59.38 | alex-p2-400 | andyp try right click and "copy link location" then enter a terminal and do wget + link location ;) |
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| 16:59.48 | SmallR2002 | $ ./dezix ./film.zix |
| 16:59.48 | SmallR2002 | Segmentation fault |
| 16:59.53 | frojnd | jelly: how do I pick an option in dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 16:59.58 | frojnd | with left arrow ? |
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| 17:00.18 | ixion_uk | StarWars: looks ok... |
| 17:00.18 | alex-p2-400 | !tunapie |
| 17:00.24 | alex-p2-400 | :) |
| 17:00.27 | ixion_uk | StarWars: now ifup eth1 |
| 17:00.31 | jelly | frojnd: tab and cursors, right |
| 17:00.36 | ixion_uk | StarWars: and ifconfig | less |
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| 17:00.49 | SmallR2002 | jelly, i built it with your command and it seg faulted when i tried running it |
| 17:00.53 | StarWars | i get error ;p |
| 17:00.56 | jelly | frojnd: (assuming you have the dialog interface) |
| 17:01.01 | StarWars | eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 17:01.12 | ixion_uk | StarWars: ifconfig -a |
| 17:01.12 | jelly | SmallR2002: so debug it, you have the code :-) |
| 17:01.20 | frojnd | jelly: that's correct |
| 17:01.25 | ixion_uk | StarWars: #flood |
| 17:01.31 | SmallR2002 | sigh... this would be a friday night wouldn't it >.< |
| 17:01.41 | alex-p2-400 | !flood |
| 17:01.41 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 17:01.56 | ixion_uk | rofl |
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| 17:02.21 | alex-p2-400 | !debian |
| 17:02.22 | dpkg | i guess debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 17:02.38 | alex-p2-400 | !open source |
| 17:02.39 | dpkg | While free software by any other name would give you the same freedom, it makes a big difference which name we use: different words convey different ideas. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html for an explanation. s.d. |
| 17:02.44 | ixion_uk | alex-p2-400 stop it |
| 17:03.15 | jelly | StarWars: use a pastebin instead. http://channels.debian.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca, http://rafb.net/paste .... |
| 17:03.23 | ixion_uk | yeah he has |
| 17:03.44 | ixion_uk | StarWars: doesnt seem as if your NIC has been detected |
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| 17:04.08 | ixion_uk | StarWars: you could try looking at dmesg but I actually have no idea how to help you any further |
| 17:04.13 | alex-p2-400 | !tunapie |
| 17:04.18 | alex-p2-400 | :p |
| 17:04.20 | frojnd | jelly, itchi: what should I pick here: Desired default color depth in bits: this is in dpkg-reconfigure xserver xorg |
| 17:04.30 | StarWars | ixion_uk is OK ..you get all my INFO .. :) |
| 17:04.38 | ixion_uk | ? |
| 17:04.46 | RockerMONO | alex-p2-400: wha??? nooooooo pumpkin pie ftw ;) |
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| 17:05.11 | RockerMONO | SoundBlaster Live + Alsamixer + Stereo = Amazing |
| 17:05.12 | RockerMONO | :) |
| 17:05.15 | ixion_uk | StarWars: read what I said ^^ |
| 17:05.19 | alex-p2-400 | :) |
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| 17:06.11 | newuser | wof: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
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| 17:06.19 | alex-p2-400 | maybe i should change over to ubuntu channel ... |
| 17:06.23 | alex-p2-400 | :p |
| 17:06.26 | \amethyst | newuser: because you don't have the key for debian-multimedia |
| 17:06.26 | newuser | What can I do about that? I already did /msg dpkg public key |
| 17:06.49 | itchi | newuser: Install debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 17:07.06 | itchi | alex-p2-400: Go away :-p |
| 17:07.25 | SmallR2002 | jelly, i'm going to try and do this by hand |
| 17:07.27 | alex-p2-400 | !tunapie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 |
| 17:07.39 | SmallR2002 | removing the header then unzip it |
| 17:07.49 | ixion_uk | that sounds horrid... tunapie... |
| 17:07.50 | jelly | !tell alex-p2-400 -about msg the bot |
| 17:07.55 | RockerMONO | alex-p2-400: you forgot the !1oneoneooneone11! :) |
| 17:08.10 | ixion_uk | 11 was a race horse |
| 17:08.20 | ixion_uk | 22 was 1 2 |
| 17:08.26 | newuser | dependency problems - leaving unconfigured |
| 17:08.26 | StarWars | how i add a Second IP adress ??? |
| 17:08.26 | newuser | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 17:08.27 | newuser | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:08.27 | newuser | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:08.27 | alex-p2-400 | no but really a shame this great tool is not considered becoming more .... |
| 17:08.30 | ixion_uk | 11 1 1 race |
| 17:08.34 | StarWars | how i add a Second IP adress ??? Nobody help ?? |
| 17:08.36 | ixion_uk | 22 11 2 |
| 17:08.38 | newuser | itchi: that's what I get when I try that |
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| 17:08.47 | itchi | newuser: What release do you use? |
| 17:08.48 | jelly | ixion_uk: please stop. |
| 17:08.51 | ixion_uk | k |
| 17:08.56 | newuser | itchi: unstable |
| 17:09.07 | itchi | newuser: You know how to fix your problem then :-p |
| 17:09.33 | newuser | itchi: I'd reinstall if I knew how to do that. |
| 17:09.39 | alex-p2-400 | RockerMONO or could you suggest a mo0re user friendly app for noobs ? |
| 17:09.47 | itchi | newuser: nah, you may not use Unstable then, honesty |
| 17:09.49 | RockerMONO | RockerMONO: what?... |
| 17:09.49 | \amethyst | newuser: have you done an apt-get update recently? |
| 17:09.52 | newuser | itchi: by that, I mean without making a backup |
| 17:09.56 | jelly | newuser: start with a netinst CD of Debian stable. :-| |
| 17:09.59 | newuser | \amethyst: yes, I just did. |
| 17:10.00 | alex-p2-400 | shame isn't it ? |
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| 17:10.51 | \amethyst | newuser: There should have been more error messages earlier explaining what the problems with those two packages were |
| 17:12.03 | alex-p2-400 | :-D |
| 17:12.23 | newuser | \amethyst: http://paste.debian.net/34857 |
| 17:12.33 | newuser | \amethyst: I see it misses a copyright file... |
| 17:12.44 | newuser | \amethyst: very good reason to fail on that :/ |
| 17:12.46 | alex-p2-400 | !winamp |
| 17:12.47 | dpkg | winamp is probably a Win32 Audio player, or available for linux |
| 17:12.54 | alex-p2-400 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.55 | itchi | alex-p2-400: Man, again! |
| 17:12.59 | Ronin | alex-p2-400: please msg the bot |
| 17:13.14 | alex-p2-400 | !i did! |
| 17:13.17 | itchi | alex-p2-400: Anyway, you want xmms |
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| 17:13.29 | Ronin | alex-p2-400: ! is not a msg |
| 17:13.37 | itchi | alex-p2-400: Joke on #ubuntu please |
| 17:13.42 | \amethyst | newuser: 4.2-20070627-1 is not the latest version in unstable |
| 17:13.44 | alex___ | ive just plugged in a old crap hdd into my box, how would i format her? |
| 17:13.48 | alex___ | she is /dev/hdb |
| 17:13.50 | newuser | \amethyst: I know |
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| 17:13.59 | alex-p2-400 | !video streams |
| 17:13.59 | itchi | alex-p2-400: cfdisk?? |
| 17:14.00 | newuser | \amethyst: This is a relatively old installation. |
| 17:14.05 | RockerMONO | alex-p2-400: /msg dpkg |
| 17:14.08 | itchi | alex-p2-400: You gona get the price heh |
| 17:14.18 | Ronin | jelly: option 1 |
| 17:14.19 | itchi | !selftell |
| 17:14.19 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
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| 17:14.56 | newuser | \amethyst: All I want is for that error to go away. |
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| 17:15.20 | alex-p2-400 | !nsv stream |
| 17:15.20 | alex-p2-400 | !nsv video strem |
| 17:15.24 | itchi | alex-p2-400: You need to be identified to the nick server here on freenode, what's not the case right now |
| 17:15.29 | alex-p2-400 | !nsv video strem |
| 17:15.35 | alex-p2-400 | ahh! |
| 17:15.42 | newuser | !annoy alex-p2-400 |
| 17:15.44 | alex-p2-400 | !nsv video stream |
| 17:15.46 | robboplus | can you setup a screen session in a way so other user can use it as well? |
| 17:15.48 | itchi | f* |
| 17:15.49 | teclo | seems like we got someone real drunk |
| 17:15.51 | jelly | !ops alex-p2-400 is incoherent |
| 17:15.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly complains about: alex-p2-400 is incoherent |
| 17:15.58 | alex-p2-400 | damn my keyboard |
| 17:16.03 | \amethyst | newuser: try apt-get install gcc-4.2 gcc-4.2-base |
| 17:16.12 | itchi | alex-p2-400: Yeah, your keyboard, push the fault ... |
| 17:16.23 | alex-p2-400 | hello its already a few years old |
| 17:16.31 | \amethyst | newuser: now that you've done an update |
| 17:16.36 | alex-p2-400 | also some booz was spilled over it ... |
| 17:16.42 | alex-p2-400 | ;) |
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| 17:16.49 | newuser | \amethyst: ok, untrusted, but it's working. |
| 17:16.51 | itchi | alex-p2-400: Anyway, your screwed now |
| 17:16.52 | StarWars | Knobody Know How to ADD a new IP ????? |
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| 17:17.05 | itchi | azeem: Thanks! |
| 17:17.26 | itchi | alex-p2-400: See what you got ;-) |
| 17:17.28 | azeem | alex-p2-400: you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 17:17.35 | newuser | \amethyst: E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libc6 |
| 17:17.43 | azeem | alex-p2-400: please don't abuse the bot, and try to be constructive |
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| 17:18.30 | jelly | alex-p2-400: also, if you have problems formulating questions in English, there might be a channel with your native language available. |
| 17:18.33 | jelly | !de |
| 17:18.33 | dpkg | de is, like, deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
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| 17:19.53 | itchi | A big silence now :-p |
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| 17:20.04 | newuser | So, how do I solve that "Internal error"? |
| 17:20.17 | jelly | itchi: hush, I'm listening to the crickets chirping |
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| 17:20.40 | itchi | jelly: :-) |
| 17:20.47 | jelly | newuser: which debian release did you have before upgrading to unstable? |
| 17:20.55 | itchi | The kid is crying :-p |
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| 17:21.41 | newuser | jelly: I already run unstable for more than 2 years. |
| 17:21.57 | jelly | newuser: you're one lucky bastard, then! |
| 17:22.05 | alfatau | hello, i'm looking for a realtime (sys)log analyzer, to be able to send warning emails and run scripts when some event (documented by logs) occurs. can you advise me a good and (possibly) easy one? |
| 17:22.07 | newuser | jelly: and upgraded multiple times |
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| 17:22.14 | petemc | alfatau: logcheck |
| 17:22.19 | aramdune | Hello, I compiled a custom Debian kernel, and then a custom nvidia module. Xorg however doesn't find the "nvidia" module set in xorg.conf. I guess I have to modify ModulePath. I don't know what to set it though. nvidia.ko loads perfectly in the running kernel. |
| 17:22.31 | newuser | jelly: nah, I do know something about Debian, but I really start to hate Unstable. |
| 17:22.56 | pocukrani | jelly, perhaps you know what is my problem becouse my psybnc don`t want reconnect? |
| 17:23.00 | jelly | newuser: can you pastebin the output of dpkg --configure -a ? |
| 17:23.21 | newuser | jelly: I am trying to fix the 32-bit chroot, btw. |
| 17:23.30 | jelly | pocukrani: I don't use it, sorry |
| 17:23.34 | \amethyst | aramdune: it's looking for a different "module"---the xorg module, not the kernel module |
| 17:23.45 | aramdune | \amethyst, yes I know |
| 17:23.50 | jelly | pocukrani: but it's highly unlikely that the problem lies with Debian's kernel. |
| 17:23.51 | twb | Eek, pocukrani has an ideological dislike of the apostrophe |
| 17:23.52 | aramdune | that module path I am talking about |
| 17:23.55 | aramdune | what to set it to? |
| 17:24.17 | newuser | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/34858 |
| 17:24.25 | \amethyst | aramdune: do you have nvidia-glx installed? |
| 17:24.25 | troubled | itchi: hmmm, very interesting that *.dip.t-dialin.net. I have over 700 unique nick's registered from that domain in the last month or two alone. I think we should call guiness, I don't know any isp which has _that many_ different irc users! ;) Oddly enough, a good chunk of them are "problem" users in debian. Oh well, it _must_ be coincidence.... |
| 17:25.02 | aramdune | \amethyst, no |
| 17:25.05 | pocukrani | twb, and now? :> |
| 17:25.09 | et | it's germanies biggest isp, by far. |
| 17:25.10 | jelly | troubled: dude, it's the largest ISP in .de, millions of users. |
| 17:25.11 | aramdune | so I should install that |
| 17:25.18 | \amethyst | aramdune: that's the package that contains the xorg driver |
| 17:25.20 | aramdune | and then dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server? |
| 17:25.23 | aramdune | aha |
| 17:25.54 | \amethyst | aramdune: it's going to expect to see an nvidia-kernel package |
| 17:26.06 | troubled | jelly: is it? well that explains alot. mostly english as well, go figure |
| 17:26.13 | \amethyst | aramdune: so hopefully when you built the custom module you did so with module-assistant or such |
| 17:26.13 | aramdune | \amethyst, I have one -- the one I compiled |
| 17:26.17 | aramdune | it installed perfectly |
| 17:26.18 | jelly | troubled: maybe germany has a nice good number of new debian users :-) |
| 17:26.19 | \amethyst | aramdune: oh, good |
| 17:26.24 | troubled | jelly: the "AOL" of irc it seems ;) |
| 17:26.46 | robboplus | is it possible to list terminals that are running as screen sessions? |
| 17:26.52 | robboplus | and possibly change their permissions |
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| 17:27.03 | aramdune | restarting the xserver now |
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| 17:27.10 | et | screen -ls? |
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| 17:27.14 | jelly | troubled: Yes. Local T-Com here is the AOL equivalent too. |
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| 17:27.24 | alex-p2-400 | !tunapie |
| 17:27.30 | jelly | oh ffs |
| 17:27.31 | robboplus | et i need to allow a user on root screen session |
| 17:27.33 | newuser | jelly: when I put a dummy file instead of the .copyright file, it stops on the next file |
| 17:27.36 | robboplus | that won't help me |
| 17:27.55 | newuser | jelly: so, it seems it's not installed in the first place |
| 17:28.13 | newuser | jelly: gcc-4.2-base cannot be removed, right? |
| 17:28.36 | newuser | jelly: have you seen the paste? |
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| 17:29.05 | jelly | newuser: _now_ I had. Your package is buggy. |
| 17:29.21 | jelly | newuser: touch /usr/share/doc/gcc-4.2-base/.copyright; dpkg --configure -a |
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| 17:29.30 | newuser | jelly: I already did that. |
| 17:29.40 | jelly | newuser: what happened? |
| 17:29.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | Why are there no Debian packages of Transcode? |
| 17:29.56 | newuser | jelly: If you would read what I said to you, you would know. |
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| 17:30.04 | alex-p2-400 | !vollabwixen |
| 17:30.42 | newuser | jelly: ok, I solved it |
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| 17:31.05 | jelly | newuser: I'd report the problem if it's not reported yet |
| 17:31.08 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: debian-multimedia |
| 17:31.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hmm... |
| 17:31.25 | newuser | jelly: nah, nobody cares about bugs |
| 17:31.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | !debian-multimedia |
| 17:31.28 | dpkg | debian-multimedia is probably a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 17:31.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | !debian-multimedia.etch |
| 17:31.51 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root) |
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| 17:31.56 | alex-p2-400 | !religion |
| 17:31.56 | dpkg | it has been said that religion is the opiate of the masses |
| 17:32.03 | jelly | !tunapie |
| 17:32.03 | dpkg | Fuck off, alex-p2-400 |
| 17:32.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | The only quote by Marx I agree with |
| 17:32.26 | \amethyst | aramdune: so hopefully when you built the custom module you did so with module-assistant or such I get "Must run suid root for multiuser support. |
| 17:32.28 | newuser | jelly: I still get that I miss a public key |
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| 17:32.31 | et | !apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 17:32.31 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 17:32.34 | alex-p2-400 | !ass |
| 17:32.34 | dpkg | well, ass is what you're sitting on, the thing that you're riding, possibly the thing you're admiring. |
| 17:32.35 | pocukrani | jelly, if help, then netstat -n show me CLOSE_WAIT |
| 17:32.36 | newuser | jelly: I installed the key ring |
| 17:32.41 | hark | alex-p2-400: you can /msg dpkg foo |
| 17:32.45 | \amethyst | aramdune: gah, I hit up too soon, sorry |
| 17:32.51 | annkas | I want to extend /home, but don't know what to write (etch) Anybody |
| 17:32.52 | snowbird | religen is bad |
| 17:33.07 | Garda | yep |
| 17:33.07 | annkas | lvextend --size 10G /home/ ?? |
| 17:33.18 | Ronin | hark: they know that, they choose to be annoying instead |
| 17:33.19 | petemc | annkas: are you using lvm? |
| 17:33.38 | \amethyst | robboplus: even when I chmod the pty (screen -ls as root to list it) I get "Must run suid root for multiuser support." |
| 17:33.41 | annkas | petemc: how do I know? |
| 17:33.51 | newuser | jelly: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 17:33.58 | petemc | annkas: mount |
| 17:34.00 | annkas | Isn't etch using lvm? |
| 17:34.09 | petemc | its an option |
| 17:34.11 | jelly | newuser: um, so add key 6070D3A1 ? |
| 17:34.51 | newuser | jelly: how do you decide that I need that substring and not letter more or less? |
| 17:34.57 | jelly | newuser: I thought that one was in the key ring, though |
| 17:35.01 | annkas | petemc: seem to be ext3 |
| 17:35.10 | jelly | newuser: last 32bits work. |
| 17:35.12 | alex-p2-400 | !austrian |
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| 17:35.23 | jelly | newuser: no more, no less |
| 17:35.25 | JunVibe | hi all |
| 17:35.33 | psyche_ | hey... |
| 17:35.42 | alex-p2-400 | !austria |
| 17:35.42 | dpkg | it has been said that austria is a country with many lame companies, population about 8 millions, capital vienna |
| 17:35.51 | alex-p2-400 | ;) |
| 17:35.57 | psyche_ | i have stupid question :P, i am installing debian right now, and apt doesnt not configure |
| 17:35.59 | \amethyst | newuser: what version is your debian-archive-keyring package? |
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| 17:36.02 | psyche_ | it fails all the time |
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| 17:36.10 | psyche_ | so what port apt uses? |
| 17:36.11 | psyche_ | 21 or 80? |
| 17:36.13 | tarzeau | jelly: i'm here |
| 17:36.17 | azeem | Ronin: because it was a timeout |
| 17:36.18 | jelly | Ronin: was a temp 10 minute ban |
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| 17:36.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | alex-p2-400: how can it not mention the Austrian school of economics? :(( |
| 17:36.25 | jelly | tarzeau: hi, thanks |
| 17:36.31 | \amethyst | psyche_: depends on whether it's an ftp:// or http:// URL |
| 17:36.41 | psyche_ | i have tried both |
| 17:36.47 | Ronin | ahh, perhaps once more is in order? heh |
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| 17:36.54 | annkas | how do I extend /home, mounted on /dev/hda5 |
| 17:36.56 | azeem | alex-p2-400: do you have a Debian question? |
| 17:37.08 | alex-p2-400 | yeah i do |
| 17:37.16 | logd | hi just a question: if i do md5sum /dev/hdd where hdd is a cdrom the hash it retuns should be the same as stated in md5sums files for downladed iso? |
| 17:37.21 | newuser | \amethyst: none, thanks. It works. |
| 17:37.23 | jelly | tarzeau: do you happen to know how mouch pain would I have to go thru to upload backports of fuse-modules and ntfs-3g on bpo? |
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| 17:38.08 | logd | and if so it is 100% sure iso has been downloaded and burned correctly ? |
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| 17:38.27 | jelly | tarzeau: considering IANADD |
| 17:38.38 | tarzeau | jelly: not much, just get an account |
| 17:38.46 | annkas | plz help me to extend /home - I have a 40 gb hd, but only 3,7 is used for /home :-( |
| 17:38.51 | tarzeau | jelly: could be painful though if you do backports from sid instead of testing |
| 17:39.11 | alex-p2-400 | so howto get a user friendly stable version witch has the same functions like winamp to debian? |
| 17:39.23 | JunVibe | anyone willing to help answer frustrating/sillie newbie questions? |
| 17:39.27 | jelly | tarzeau: eh, I can wait for the fixed versions to fall down into testing. |
| 17:39.28 | alex-p2-400 | :-D |
| 17:39.29 | azeem | JunVibe: just ask |
| 17:39.48 | JunVibe | ok ... I installed etch ... no gui |
| 17:39.53 | petemc | alex-p2-400: beep media player |
| 17:40.00 | JunVibe | using apt to install lamp setup |
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| 17:40.14 | JunVibe | then, I also installed phpgroupware ... |
| 17:40.30 | snowbird | i aim stupid but no newbie |
| 17:40.32 | aramdune | actually nvidia-glx doesn't install properly. I have Debian lenny with nvidia kernel module built and custom kernel. The error is: "No candidate version found for nvidia-glx". What should I do? |
| 17:40.35 | JunVibe | but I don't see groupware when I go to the ip for the box |
| 17:40.58 | blubberdiblub | annkas: first answer what petemc asked. are you using lvm? type mount and look at the line starts if there is something like /dev/mapper/foobar |
| 17:41.12 | alex-p2-400 | petemec you ever had something like windumb installed, be serious ^^ |
| 17:41.18 | aramdune | the same applies for nvidia-glx-dev |
| 17:41.19 | \amethyst | logd: as long at the ISO was a multiple of 2048 bytes that should work fine... if it wasn't, there might be extra padding on the CD |
| 17:41.25 | \amethyst | doh |
| 17:41.26 | JunVibe | I can see a standard index.html page |
| 17:41.41 | petemc | alex-p2-400: what are you talking about? |
| 17:41.42 | azeem | alex-p2-400: please keep it on-topic |
| 17:41.48 | alex-p2-400 | ?? |
| 17:41.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me get tftp-hpa working? When I try tftp localhost and try to get a file, it times out |
| 17:42.14 | \amethyst | JunVibe: You get the same thing as if you go to apache2-default ? |
| 17:42.23 | azeem | alex-p2-400: `windumb' isn't Debian, so it's off-topic |
| 17:42.29 | annkas | blubberdiblub: mount gives dev/hda5 on / type ext3 |
| 17:42.30 | \amethyst | JunVibe: http://localhost/apache2-default/ that is |
| 17:42.36 | alex-p2-400 | i was answering a question from petemc |
| 17:42.36 | unsolo | any difficulties involved in booting debian of a lvm disk ? |
| 17:42.52 | petemc | i think not |
| 17:43.01 | blubberdiblub | annkas: then you can't use the lvm tools to enlarge your partitions. try some repartitioning program instead |
| 17:43.02 | JunVibe | yep |
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| 17:43.35 | \amethyst | JunVibe: there's a RedirectMatch in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default that you want to get rid of |
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| 17:44.04 | JunVibe | amethyst: ok. I'll check that out. |
| 17:44.07 | blubberdiblub | annkas: oh, and do you have /home on a separate partition at all? |
| 17:44.22 | \amethyst | JunVibe: or, better yet, copy that file to something else in the same dir (say "mysite"), remove the RedirectMatch in the copy, then do a2dissite default; a2ensite mysite |
| 17:45.09 | alex-p2-400 | cmon i dont want to get into a fight with anyone.. but my question is what is the linux answer to winamp ? and i dont mean the listen to radiostations answer ;) |
| 17:45.16 | JunVibe | what is a2dissite default; a2ensite mysite? |
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| 17:45.31 | azeem | 19:39 < petemc> alex-p2-400: beep media player |
| 17:45.33 | Ronin | alex-p2-400: i belive someone gave you at least one option all ready to taht |
| 17:45.50 | alex-p2-400 | i am aiming for the free 24 hour live stream watch answer |
| 17:46.03 | aramdune | so, what does that mean actually? No candidate version found for nvidia-glx. Does it has to do with lenny? should I manually install the package from etch? |
| 17:46.16 | jelly | alex-p2-400: url of the stream? |
| 17:46.32 | alex-p2-400 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.35 | alex-p2-400 | howto |
| 17:46.43 | alex-p2-400 | from where? |
| 17:46.47 | alex-p2-400 | hmm |
| 17:46.59 | jelly | alex-p2-400: you want to set up a stream and broadcast? |
| 17:47.14 | Apachez | how do one give suggestions on stuff to include in debian ? |
| 17:47.25 | abrotman | !wnpp |
| 17:47.25 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp. |
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| 17:47.35 | Apachez | I found coretemp which is a nifty way to read cpu temp using msr registers in linux |
| 17:47.36 | alex-p2-400 | same like winamp gets it from |
| 17:47.36 | alex-p2-400 | same windumb gets its streams |
| 17:47.43 | Apachez | without the need of lm-sensors and stuff |
| 17:47.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me get tftp-hpa working? When I try tftp localhost and try to get a file, it times out |
| 17:48.12 | annkas | what do i write to find out how much free space on hd? |
| 17:48.25 | alex-p2-400 | sue me ! |
| 17:48.34 | abrotman | annkas: df -h |
| 17:48.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | alex-p2-400: Be careful - The RIAA might be listening |
| 17:48.49 | alex-p2-400 | :p |
| 17:49.00 | jelly | alex-p2-400: you'll have to explain what exactly does this winamp have that you want, a ready made list of free streams? |
| 17:49.03 | DustyDingo | which documentation package do i have to install to get info pages for chmod? |
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| 17:49.31 | annkas | abrotman: no, I can-t see free space on hd with df -h, I don't think the installastion programme has used all available space, I know it |
| 17:49.46 | abrotman | annkas: you show free space with df -h |
| 17:50.09 | petemc | alex-p2-400: its possible to get a list of the urls to radio streams from a winamp install, i did it some time ago |
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| 17:50.22 | petemc | alex-p2-400: http://www.yerma.org/~pete/temp/all-one.m3u |
| 17:50.26 | blubberdiblub | annkas: try cfdisk /dev/hdX (substitude X with you hd letter) |
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| 17:50.36 | blubberdiblub | abrotman: i think he might mean unpartitioned space |
| 17:50.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me get tftp-hpa working? When I try tftp localhost and try to get a file, it times out |
| 17:50.52 | annkas | abrotman: my hd is 40 gb, If I summarize available space on df -h it gives me 6,3 gb |
| 17:50.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | Sorry for repeating myself |
| 17:51.05 | abrotman | annkas: you hvae unparitioned space ? |
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| 17:51.10 | et | Is there an "official" way to get beryl on lenny? |
| 17:51.17 | alex-p2-400 | never mind |
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| 17:51.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | et: Beryl is old, get compiz-fusion |
| 17:51.47 | annkas | apearantly.. :-( |
| 17:52.03 | alex-p2-400 | sorry if you never seen the enemy you will not learn howto be better ... sorry |
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| 17:52.09 | blubberdiblub | annkas: well, that's a good thing. you could make a new partition there for use as /home |
| 17:52.38 | petemc | alex-p2-400: perhaps you could troll more effectively elsewhere |
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| 17:52.49 | annkas | blubberdiblub: Yes you said so earlier, but I haven't done that before. Is there a howto for non-nerds? |
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| 17:53.15 | StarWars | How i ann a new IP on my server ?? |
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| 17:53.39 | annkas | StarWars: ? |
| 17:53.49 | petemc | StarWars: an additional ip? on the same interface? |
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| 17:53.56 | StarWars | i get a extra IP ..to add on my Network |
| 17:54.03 | StarWars | i have Total 2 IP adress. |
| 17:54.08 | petemc | StarWars: is it on the same subnet? |
| 17:54.14 | StarWars | yes |
| 17:54.32 | blubberdiblub | annkas: maybe try /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/partition.html if you have the howtos installed or google for them |
| 17:54.38 | petemc | StarWars: use ip aliasing, add an entry in /etc/network/interfaces for eth0:1 |
| 17:54.54 | DustyDingo | hm, strange i have texinfo documentation for coreutils installed, but "info foo" allways opens the manpage |
| 17:54.57 | alex-p2-400 | troll? who is here the troll, wondering when the last time you went out of your front door :) |
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| 17:55.02 | alex-p2-400 | hahahaa |
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| 17:55.12 | jelly | DustyBin: "info coreutils ls" |
| 17:55.13 | DustyDingo | can someone tell me, how i can fix this? |
| 17:55.17 | snowbird | troll under bridge on laptop |
| 17:55.19 | annkas | blubberdiblub: thanks, I'll try |
| 17:55.32 | azeem | alex-p2-400: please try to keep it constructive, this is your last warning |
| 17:55.33 | DustyDingo | jelly: ah, oh |
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| 17:55.47 | alex-p2-400 | guess you are best friend and customer of your locale pizza delivery service |
| 17:55.50 | Shaezsche | how can i undervolt in debian? |
| 17:55.57 | JordiGH | I have close to a million files with a .map extension in a directory, and I want to mv them. But if I do "mv *.map /elsewhere", I get "bash: /bin/mv: Argument list too long". Workaround? |
| 17:55.59 | jelly | DustyDingo: the man page gets it wrong. or the info in debian is buggy, choose your pick |
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| 17:56.13 | StarWars | petemc CHK pls http://www.pastebin.ca/661220 |
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| 17:56.33 | sSiroSoriSs | hae |
| 17:56.34 | StarWars | and show me theer how must be corectly PLS. |
| 17:56.44 | sSiroSoriSs | lookin for a good linux NWO read? |
| 17:56.47 | Shaezsche | is it possible to undervolt my laptop withd ebian? |
| 17:57.02 | sSiroSoriSs | www.DanielFromBrisbane.com |
| 17:57.05 | JunVibe | THANKS amethyst ... for your help |
| 17:57.06 | DustyDingo | jelly: i think the latter ;) |
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| 17:57.17 | jelly | sSiroSoriSs: please don't spam. |
| 17:57.23 | JordiGH | Sometimes I really wonder why it's such a good idea to let the shell do the wildcard expansions instead of the individual programs. |
| 17:57.31 | Shaezsche | also, how do you delete Root's trash? |
| 17:57.45 | blubberdiblub | annkas: but actually it shouldn't be that hard. just create the partition (with fdisk, cfdisk or parted for instance), make a filesystem (like ext3) on the new partition. mount it in a temporary space. copy all /home stuff to the new partition, (optional but recommended: delete the old /home stuff), then umount and mount the partition at /home |
| 17:57.46 | jelly | JordiGH: yes it is. |
| 17:57.46 | rhavenn | i have ldap authentication setup..how do i keep the root user from being queried over ldap and just use the local /etc/passwd? |
| 17:58.01 | JordiGH | Shaezsche: Uh, 1) Why does root have a trash? and 2) You delete it like any other user's. |
| 17:58.16 | petemc | StarWars: that doesnt work, the syntax is just the same as "normal" ips |
| 17:58.26 | JordiGH | jelly: Is it just to save on coding? Right now, I can't mv some files around because there's too many of them. :-) |
| 17:58.39 | et | Dark_Apostrophe: Is fusion just an addon or does it bring all the functionality? meaning, should i install the compiz-*-packages? |
| 17:58.44 | jelly | JordiGH: find | xargs |
| 17:59.00 | JordiGH | jelly: Ah, but of course... |
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| 17:59.03 | StarWars | petemc PLS show me how to add the new IP on theer. i need example first. |
| 17:59.12 | alex-p2-400 | brb ;) |
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| 17:59.19 | petemc | !tell StarWars about interfaces |
| 17:59.29 | jelly | JordiGH: also take a look at mv's --target-directory |
| 17:59.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | et: CompizFusion is the result of the merger between Beryl and Compiz |
| 17:59.45 | petemc | StarWars: there should be an entry in your file for eth0 , use that as a basis |
| 17:59.47 | jelly | JordiGH: you'll need it to create an efficient command line |
| 17:59.48 | Apachez | thanks for the wnpp tip |
| 17:59.54 | Apachez | package request has been sent :) |
| 18:00.04 | JordiGH | jelly: No go. "bash: /usr/bin/find: Argument list too long" |
| 18:00.08 | jelly | JordiGH: (that doesn't call mv once for each file) |
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| 18:00.28 | JordiGH | Wait, I'm dumb... |
| 18:00.35 | jelly | JordiGH: I'm tempted to tell you to rtfm. :-) |
| 18:00.35 | StarWars | petemc have my second ip is ex: 127.x.x.x how i add ? show me pls. |
| 18:00.44 | Braindead | JordiGH: find | xargs? |
| 18:00.45 | annkas | blubberdiblub: I've goggled, can't find it, what is the name of the package, if I want to install it? |
| 18:00.53 | JordiGH | Is CompizFusion ready? |
| 18:00.56 | \amethyst | find -print0 | xargs -0 # be safe |
| 18:01.04 | jelly | Braindead: [19:58] <jelly> JordiGH: find | xargs |
| 18:01.09 | blubberdiblub | annkas: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/index.html |
| 18:01.20 | Braindead | d'oh |
| 18:01.25 | blubberdiblub | annkas: usually all you need is already installed |
| 18:01.52 | jelly | apparently my brain works as if it were dead |
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| 18:02.18 | blubberdiblub | annkas: maybe if you prefer some other than the default partitioning tool you might need to install that, but that's optional of course |
| 18:02.36 | JordiGH | Woohoo, that worked. And it wasn't too slow. Except that I goofed it slightly and seemingly find also attempted to do "mv elsewhere/foo.map elsewhere/foo.map". |
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| 18:03.01 | alex-p2-400 | O:-) |
| 18:03.29 | jelly | JordiGH: next time, do a -type f and possibly also some -maxdepth 1 if you want it not to recurse |
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| 18:04.02 | alex-p2-400 | !bot |
| 18:04.02 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 18:04.24 | alex-p2-400 | !butt |
| 18:04.24 | dpkg | butt is probably not to be confused with but |
| 18:04.24 | JordiGH | !gender |
| 18:04.24 | dpkg | I'm pregnant |
| 18:04.38 | azeem | alex-p2-400: please /msg the bot |
| 18:04.40 | JordiGH | Yeah, dpkg has a sharp sense of wit. |
| 18:04.54 | itchi | alex-p2-400: Man! Your again there annoying ?? |
| 18:05.05 | alex-p2-400 | !list bot |
| 18:05.14 | alex-p2-400 | !who is bot |
| 18:05.16 | dpkg | alex-p2-400: what are you talking about? |
| 18:05.22 | itchi | alex-p2-400: You where already banned a few minutes ago! |
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| 18:05.28 | alex-p2-400 | !list bot |
| 18:05.31 | azeem | alex-p2-400: please /msg the bot, this is your last warning |
| 18:06.20 | itchi | alex-p2-400: Read carefully '/msg dpkg selftell' |
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| 18:06.40 | jelly | itchi: pls dont feed troll kthx |
| 18:06.48 | itchi | jelly: Yeah, your right ;-) |
| 18:07.14 | itchi | I gona try that ignore feature heh, that's long time ago :-p |
| 18:07.28 | dwon | whose right? |
| 18:07.29 | jelly | itchi: actually I'm leaning on the left side, social security, medicare, all that jazz |
| 18:07.29 | StarWars | can anybody Show me how etc/network/interface LOCK WITH MORE ip ADRESS ??? |
| 18:07.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me get tftp-hpa working? When I try tftp localhost and try to get a file, it times out |
| 18:07.44 | azeem | StarWars: please don't write in all caps |
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| 18:07.54 | itchi | jelly: That's your problem ;-) Get headhaches :-) |
| 18:08.00 | blubberdiblub | annkas: but make sure you don't follow the howto too closely and apply some common sense ;) it's not exactly for your case, but it shows you the steps and commands required anyways |
| 18:08.17 | itchi | jelly: :-p |
| 18:08.20 | cactusbin | Helllo, I did a network install of debian and I can't use the command 'mkswap' how can I get it? |
| 18:08.25 | cactusbin | I have binutils and coreutisl.. |
| 18:08.29 | cactusbin | *utils |
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| 18:08.44 | dwon | cactusbin: util-linux, and run as root |
| 18:08.55 | jelly | cactusbin: do you have /sbin in PATH? |
| 18:09.30 | newuser | jelly: and do you know how to get Flash sound in Iceweasel on 64 bit working? |
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| 18:09.42 | JordiGH | jelly: Instruct me again on why it's such a great idea to have the shell do the expansion. It seems this is more error-prone than helpful. |
| 18:09.43 | cactusbin | jelly: yes |
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| 18:09.54 | cactusbin | util-linux: Depends: tzdata (>= 2006c-2) but it is not going to be installed |
| 18:09.54 | jelly | newuser: I don't know anything about amd64 arch, sorry |
| 18:09.59 | Wintre | Hi! Anybody out there have their / on RAID? |
| 18:10.02 | itchi | JordiGH: zsh? |
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| 18:10.15 | Khaleidoscope | heya |
| 18:10.17 | jelly | cactusbin: your system/chroot is a bit broken. which release? |
| 18:10.26 | JordiGH | Say there are two files, you want to move them somewhere, but you do do "mv *" and hit enter prematurely before you tell where to move them to. This moves the first file on top of the second, destroying the second's data. |
| 18:10.28 | Khaleidoscope | how can I change the root password in debian ethc? |
| 18:10.29 | Khaleidoscope | etch |
| 18:10.41 | cactusbin | I believe it's etch |
| 18:10.42 | StarWars | petemc Thanks |
| 18:10.47 | JordiGH | Khaleidoscope: run passwd as root. |
| 18:10.49 | itchi | Khaleidoscope: passwd |
| 18:10.52 | Khaleidoscope | hmm |
| 18:10.53 | jelly | JordiGH: it has worked well for the last 30 years in unix. |
| 18:10.54 | Khaleidoscope | passwd |
| 18:10.56 | cactusbin | jelly: I believe it's etch |
| 18:11.10 | azeem | cactusbin: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 18:11.12 | itchi | Khaleidoscope: And don't type the passwd here heh ;-) |
| 18:11.17 | JordiGH | jelly: I think I've been reading the UNIX Haters' Handbook too much. :-) |
| 18:11.21 | newuser | JordiGH: UNIX is not perfect |
| 18:11.21 | dwon | Winkie, it's a bit tricky to do, but you can do it if you use grub-pc (i.e. grub2), and you load the right grub modules |
| 18:11.23 | jelly | cactusbin: pastebin apt-cache policy libc6 util-linux |
| 18:11.26 | cactusbin | ii libc6 2.5-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 18:11.37 | StarWars | azeem OK. my mistake |
| 18:11.37 | azeem | cactusbin: that's not etch |
| 18:11.39 | newuser | JordiGH: the "too much arguments" problem is one example |
| 18:11.40 | Khaleidoscope | passwd kfGw44qGvtit12 @ ip 231.145.123.231 |
| 18:11.42 | Wintre | newuser: Sure it is. That's why there are so many |
| 18:11.44 | Khaleidoscope | oh sht. not here? |
| 18:11.47 | Khaleidoscope | where do I type it? |
| 18:11.47 | itchi | cactusbin: You missed the 'pastebin' word :-) |
| 18:11.49 | blubberdiblub | JordiGH: i protect my cp and mv commands with aliases including the -i (interactive) option |
| 18:11.54 | jelly | JordiGH: fun with ported apps: to unzip multiple zip archives, run unzip '*.zip' |
| 18:11.57 | newuser | Wintre: you are joking, I hope. |
| 18:12.00 | cactusbin | pastebin one line?? |
| 18:12.03 | cactusbin | ... |
| 18:12.11 | JordiGH | jelly: Yeah, I've ran across that too. :-) |
| 18:12.11 | Wintre | Never can tell :) |
| 18:12.22 | itchi | JordiGH: btw, unp is that fine |
| 18:12.31 | cactusbin | azeem: what should I do? |
| 18:12.35 | JordiGH | blubberdiblub: Yeah, Knoppix does that. Which is annoying. Asking permission every time is no better than never asking. |
| 18:12.54 | blubberdiblub | JordiGH: no, it asks only when overwriting |
| 18:12.58 | azeem | cactusbin: do you have etch or testing in your sources.list? |
| 18:13.16 | aramdune | I am trying to install nvidia-glx package. It fails with following error: http://pastebin.ca/661287 . nvidia-glx-legacy doesn't exist (I purged it). I also removed stalling files from /var/lib/dpkg/info/ and modified /var/lib/dpkg/status and also removed synlinks form /usr/lib/libGL* but with no avail. Any tips? |
| 18:13.23 | JordiGH | blubberdiblub: I overwrite often. About 50% of my mv or cp commands overwrite, I estimate. |
| 18:13.24 | cactusbin | azeem: etch |
| 18:13.24 | dwon | JordiGH: DOS/Win has each app do shell expansion, and the result is that apps do quoting inconsistently. |
| 18:13.33 | Wintre | wtf |
| 18:13.37 | jelly | JordiGH: frankly I don't see why each and every app should have to use opendir() and parse the directory tree just to expand an argument |
| 18:13.42 | Wintre | What argument did I walk into? |
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| 18:13.44 | blubberdiblub | JordiGH: okay, i that case :) |
| 18:13.48 | blubberdiblub | +n |
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| 18:14.22 | azeem | cactusbin: then try to figure out how you managed to get across a testing libc6 |
| 18:14.28 | cactusbin | O.o |
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| 18:14.37 | cactusbin | I... have no clue |
| 18:14.41 | cactusbin | does it matter :P |
| 18:14.41 | dwon | JordiGH: What you probably want is an "mv" that won't overwrite files, or one that takes the destination as the first parameter (which you can do with mv -t, if the destination is a directory) |
| 18:14.43 | azeem | cactusbin: pastebin your sources.list |
| 18:14.43 | JordiGH | Wintre: bash doing shell expansion instead of individual apps. |
| 18:14.43 | Khaleidoscope | what if I enter a new password and cant remember it anymore? |
| 18:14.51 | azeem | JordiGH: please note that this is off-topic here |
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| 18:14.57 | Wintre | JordiGH: Unquestionably the right thing. |
| 18:15.09 | petemc | Khaleidoscope: you can reset it /msg dpkg ifrp |
| 18:15.13 | JordiGH | Wintre: Well, I've been told to shut up. :-) |
| 18:15.15 | cactusbin | azeem: http://pastebin.ca/raw/661296 |
| 18:15.16 | itchi | Khaleidoscope: reset it |
| 18:15.20 | netcraft | test |
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| 18:15.29 | itchi | netcraft: Failed! |
| 18:15.30 | Khaleidoscope | petemc: even without loggin in to the box? |
| 18:15.43 | azeem | cactusbin: pastebin the output of apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 18:15.55 | petemc | Khaleidoscope: did you read that factoid? |
| 18:16.04 | Khaleidoscope | factoid? |
| 18:16.08 | Wintre | So, anyway, I have something that is on-topic: My root filesystem is on RAID, and Debian doesn't seem to be able to deactivate the device correctly on shutdown. Anybody have any input? Stories to share? |
| 18:16.12 | cactusbin | http://pastebin.ca/raw/661297 |
| 18:16.16 | cactusbin | azeem: http://pastebin.ca/raw/661297 |
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| 18:16.25 | jelly | Khaleidoscope: did you get a msg from the bot when you did /msg dpkg ifrp |
| 18:16.32 | azeem | cactusbin: are you the only admin of this box? |
| 18:16.40 | cactusbin | i am the only user :P |
| 18:16.43 | Khaleidoscope | jelly: If I cant log in anymore via shell? |
| 18:16.44 | azeem | cactusbin: did you add/remove apt sources from sources.list in the past? |
| 18:16.47 | azeem | cactusbin: did you install it? |
| 18:16.51 | cactusbin | no |
| 18:17.03 | jelly | Khaleidoscope: you're not answering my question. |
| 18:17.06 | itchi | Khaleidoscope: You need to be indentified to the nick server |
| 18:17.14 | azeem | itchi: no |
| 18:17.15 | itchi | Khaleidoscope: That seems not to be the case |
| 18:17.17 | cactusbin | this is a relitvly new install (> 3 months) |
| 18:17.22 | cactusbin | and I bearly use it |
| 18:17.26 | Khaleidoscope | what? |
| 18:17.31 | azeem | hrm, or maybe yes |
| 18:17.34 | xand | cactusbin: > means greater than |
| 18:17.45 | jelly | !ifrp |
| 18:17.45 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 18:17.45 | cactusbin | :/ |
| 18:17.48 | cactusbin | *< |
| 18:17.56 | jelly | Khaleidoscope: see what dpkg said above ^^ |
| 18:17.56 | itchi | azeem: I thought you need to be identified to send pm messages, or is that changed now? |
| 18:18.05 | Khaleidoscope | If I change the root password to my server, cant remember the new password anymore and I logged out of the shell. I gotta be indentified to the nick server? |
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| 18:18.23 | azeem | itchi: dpkg accepts pms from everybody, it would be pointless otherwise |
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| 18:18.39 | cactusbin | !learn |
| 18:18.39 | dpkg | learn is, like, the opposite of not learn, or something you do every day, apparently. |
| 18:18.48 | cactusbin | !not learn |
| 18:18.48 | dpkg | somebody said not learn was the opposite of learn |
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| 18:19.02 | cactusbin | !package libc6 |
| 18:19.09 | azeem | cactusbin: please /msg the bot |
| 18:19.15 | cactusbin | i see |
| 18:19.22 | azeem | cactusbin: well, the admin installed testing's libc6 |
| 18:19.32 | cactusbin | ... |
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| 18:19.46 | cactusbin | Well, I am the admin so... I don't know how that happened |
| 18:19.51 | cactusbin | does apt have a cache? |
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| 18:19.58 | azeem | there's /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 18:20.01 | Kartoffelsalat | which package includes the "windows-web-fonts"? |
| 18:20.05 | cactusbin | I could reinstall the previous version |
| 18:20.15 | aramdune | Kartoffelsalat, mscorettfonts AFAIK |
| 18:20.24 | azeem | cactusbin: there's likely a zillion packages depending on the newer version |
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| 18:20.33 | itchi | azeem: I thought this was a Freenode policy |
| 18:20.33 | jelly | Kartoffelsalat: msttcorefonts |
| 18:20.33 | Kartoffelsalat | aramdune: something like this, yes - thanks :) |
| 18:20.49 | Wintre | Nobody uses RAID for their root filesystem? |
| 18:20.51 | azeem | itchi: the *default* is freenode policy, users can change it, though |
| 18:20.55 | annkas | blubberdiblub: |
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| 18:21.06 | cactusbin | azeem: found the cache, would libc6 2.5-7 work? |
| 18:21.07 | jelly | azeem: the bot doesn't set the option to accept all msgs? |
| 18:21.08 | annkas | what is the command for partition? |
| 18:21.09 | itchi | azeem: I dunno about that :-) |
| 18:21.40 | azeem | jelly: of course |
| 18:21.43 | blubberdiblub | annkas: fdisk /dev/hdX (with X being the letter naming the hard drive you want to partition, like b for example) |
| 18:21.49 | azeem | cactusbin: no |
| 18:21.55 | jelly | Wintre: md raid1 here |
| 18:21.57 | azeem | cactusbin: because it is what you have installed |
| 18:22.03 | blubberdiblub | annkas: or cfdisk, if you have that installed, or parted |
| 18:22.14 | Wintre | jelly: Does it shutdown correctly? |
| 18:22.17 | ampex | Wintre: RAID5 here |
| 18:22.19 | cactusbin | azeem: would 2.3.6 work? |
| 18:22.29 | Wintre | ampex: Does it shutdown correctly? |
| 18:22.36 | jelly | Winkie: no apparent problems, yes. |
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| 18:22.39 | azeem | cactusbin: 20:19 < azeem> cactusbin: there's likely a zillion packages depending on the newer version |
| 18:22.43 | ampex | Wintre: I believe I do see a message about mdx not shutting down correctly |
| 18:22.44 | jelly | Wintre: no apparent problems, yes. |
| 18:22.45 | azeem | cactusbin: what is the exact filename? |
| 18:22.50 | ampex | Wintre: can't unmount or something similar |
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| 18:23.05 | Wintre | jelly: Uh, but do you see the messages ampex and I see, that the device is still busy and thus can't be stoppped? |
| 18:23.05 | aramdune | so, anybody has any tips about my nvidia-glx issue? |
| 18:23.07 | cactusbin | well here are the libc6 files I have in the cache |
| 18:23.08 | cactusbin | : |
| 18:23.30 | cactusbin | http://pastebin.ca/raw/661300 |
| 18:23.41 | jelly | Wintre: that's probably not a raid issue, just a normal "have things still using / filesystem" issue |
| 18:23.50 | Wintre | jelly: It's a RAID issue |
| 18:24.00 | jelly | Wintre: does it also say, "remounting ro"? |
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| 18:24.10 | Wintre | jelly: Or, rather, the RAID device can't be stopped, because / is still mounted (albeit read-only) |
| 18:24.38 | ampex | I know that my SLES 10 servers don't show the same message, but Etch does |
| 18:24.39 | azeem | cactusbin: pastebin the output of "apt-get install libc6=2.3.6.ds1-13etch2", but don't say yes to any questions |
| 18:24.41 | Wintre | Offhand I don't see a way around it, unless the kernel pivots to some other root |
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| 18:24.42 | ampex | Is it a problem? |
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| 18:25.18 | Wintre | ampex: Not so far in practice, and realistically since / issynced and ro, it shouldn't cause problems |
| 18:25.33 | cactusbin | http://www.pastebin.ca/raw/661302 |
| 18:25.36 | Kartoffelsalat | i can't find this stupid fonts... wth |
| 18:25.37 | Wintre | So it's a minor problem, but one I'd like to fix if there's a known solution |
| 18:25.38 | cactusbin | azeem: http://www.pastebin.ca/raw/661302 |
| 18:25.45 | annkas | blubberdiblub: thanks have to reboot :-) |
| 18:26.13 | azeem | cactusbin: are you using WLAN to connect to the internet? |
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| 18:26.39 | azeem | cactusbin: and did you maybe install some WLAN-related packages manually from testing or so, some time ago? |
| 18:26.43 | jelly | Kartoffelsalat: do your lines in /etc/apt/sources.list end in " main"? you have to add " contrib" there, too |
| 18:26.49 | cactusbin | Normally I would, and I had to patch the kernel to get it to work (installed newer libc6 for some reason then?) but right now I am not |
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| 18:27.13 | cactusbin | azeem: Normally I would, and I had to patch the kernel to get it to work (installed newer libc6 for some reason then?) but right now I am not |
| 18:27.18 | cactusbin | azeem: it is possible |
| 18:27.25 | Kartoffelsalat | jelly: thanks |
| 18:27.50 | ampex | how do I tell apt-get to hold back a package? |
| 18:27.57 | psyche_ | what should i do? i cant configure apt |
| 18:27.58 | azeem | !hold |
| 18:27.59 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
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| 18:29.22 | azeem | cactusbin: well, I'd just try to downgrade libc6 and "apt-get install wireless-tools build-essential" again afterwards |
| 18:29.29 | azeem | cactusbin: but dunno whether your WLAN will still work |
| 18:29.52 | cactusbin | that's fine, the only reason I need mkswap is because I'm installing another distro :P |
| 18:30.20 | cactusbin | azeem: I'm not exactly familiar with debian, how do I downgrade the package? |
| 18:30.33 | psyche_ | what should i do? i cant configure apt |
| 18:30.40 | psyche_ | its just fails |
| 18:30.52 | psyche_ | says that ftp.fi.debian.org isnt working |
| 18:30.59 | psyche_ | eth0 is up and doing well |
| 18:31.04 | azeem | cactusbin: I told you before, the =2.3.6 thingy |
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| 18:31.13 | cactusbin | ook |
| 18:31.46 | annkas | hmm, I've made a new partiton with fdisk, how can I list it? |
| 18:32.10 | cactusbin | azeem: E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package libc6 due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 18:32.10 | cactusbin | E: Reverse conflicts early remove for package 'tzdata' failed |
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| 18:32.33 | azeem | cactusbin: too bad |
| 18:32.41 | blubberdiblub | annkas: fdisk -l /dev/hdX |
| 18:32.51 | cactusbin | :( |
| 18:33.00 | blubberdiblub | annkas: the next step would be to put a filesystem on the new partition |
| 18:33.14 | SoulChild | hey there was a comman with " dpkg-[something] /usr/sbin/[application]" that told me about the package name that installed [application, does someone remember ? |
| 18:33.26 | aramdune | I am trying to install nvidia-glx package. It fails with following error: http://pastebin.ca/661287 . nvidia-glx-legacy doesn't exist (I purged it). I also removed stalling files from /var/lib/dpkg/info/ and modified /var/lib/dpkg/status and also removed synlinks form /usr/lib/libGL* but with no avail. Any tips? |
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| 18:33.42 | abrotman | SoulChild: be less vague |
| 18:33.45 | cactusbin | ok my install is seriously fucked up |
| 18:33.59 | SoulChild | abrotman: ??? |
| 18:33.59 | cactusbin | it is saying init doesn't exsist |
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| 18:34.32 | SoulChild | abrotman: what does vague mean |
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| 18:35.01 | azeem | SoulChild: dpkg -S /usr/sbin/foo, probably |
| 18:35.16 | SoulChild | azeem i think it was -S thank you |
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| 18:35.50 | Apachez | ehm |
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| 18:35.59 | Apachez | is it possible to downgrade a debian installation? :) |
| 18:36.03 | Apachez | like go back to etch ? |
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| 18:36.08 | jelly | Apachez: in general, no |
| 18:36.13 | Apachez | gah :P |
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| 18:36.51 | Apachez | I was thinking of going from unstable back to etch |
| 18:36.57 | abrotman | haha |
| 18:36.58 | abrotman | sorry |
| 18:37.01 | Apachez | I havent installed much other than dist-upgrade |
| 18:37.08 | Apachez | its a testsetup so no worries :P |
| 18:37.17 | Apachez | hmm |
| 18:37.23 | jelly | Apachez: if you've only upgraded a handful of packages, and know exactly what they are, and there were no incompatible changes in configuration or data format, you might be able to wing it |
| 18:37.26 | Apachez | ill try changing sources.list and lets see what happends :P |
| 18:37.36 | jelly | Apachez: if you're done a dist-upgrade, forget it |
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| 18:37.50 | Apachez | well mr pesimistic :) |
| 18:37.55 | Apachez | +s |
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| 18:38.20 | psyche_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.25 | psyche_ | whats wrong with apt? |
| 18:38.27 | psyche_ | i cant configure it |
| 18:38.32 | psyche_ | it just fails |
| 18:38.33 | azeem | psyche_: try to be more precise |
| 18:38.38 | azeem | what command do you run? |
| 18:38.42 | jelly | Apachez: no, you seem not to have adequate knowledge to do it, and just editing sources.list won't accomplish much |
| 18:38.49 | psyche_ | im installin debian now |
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| 18:39.04 | jelly | Apachez: and I'm not a Mrs. |
| 18:39.06 | Apachez | well thats the idea of testsetups to gain adequate knowledge :) |
| 18:39.11 | psyche_ | and it just fails when i choose ftp.fi.debian.org or ftp.funet.fi |
| 18:39.18 | psyche_ | and both of them are up |
| 18:39.24 | psyche_ | and eth0 is also up and doing well |
| 18:39.27 | Apachez | jelly: if you are no Mr and no Mrs, are you a Ms then ? |
| 18:39.38 | psyche_ | so what port apt is using? 21 or 80? |
| 18:39.38 | azeem | psyche_: hit alt+f3 and try to ping something - does that work? |
| 18:39.47 | azeem | psyche_: probably 80 |
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| 18:40.01 | psyche_ | azeem i dont have packets, netinst |
| 18:40.01 | Apachez | debian:~# apt-get dist-downgrade |
| 18:40.01 | Apachez | E: Invalid operation dist-downgrade |
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| 18:40.05 | azeem | psyche_: do you need to set an http proxy? |
| 18:40.06 | jelly | Apachez: you'd have to get a list of installed packages and force installation of the versions from etch. |
| 18:40.15 | psyche_ | azeem no? |
| 18:40.19 | Apachez | dpkg -l ? |
| 18:40.23 | azeem | Apachez: no |
| 18:40.27 | Apachez | are there no commit log stored in debian ? |
| 18:40.35 | Apachez | like rollback capabilities |
| 18:40.38 | azeem | Apachez: no |
| 18:40.39 | jelly | Apachez: nope. |
| 18:40.41 | Apachez | would be nifty |
| 18:40.45 | jelly | Apachez: yes. |
| 18:40.48 | azeem | as we said, downgrades are not supported |
| 18:40.52 | Apachez | "apt-get downgrade to 2007-08-01" and poff :P |
| 18:41.05 | Ronin | poof being what would happen too |
| 18:41.05 | jelly | Apachez: use a virtual machine with snapshot capabilities. |
| 18:41.10 | psyche_ | azeem "Scanning mirrors..." 40% |
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| 18:41.20 | psyche_ | soon it fails |
| 18:41.27 | psyche_ | no matter wich one i choose |
| 18:41.28 | valdyn | Apachez: a debian system does not work as simple as that to allow this |
| 18:41.32 | itchi | Apachez: A such restore way like MS have, i guess. Yeah, will be very handy but could take much space i guess :-s |
| 18:41.33 | Apachez | "Exploiting mirrors... changing md5sum 42%" |
| 18:41.36 | psyche_ | it will fail always, and i have 80 and 21 open |
| 18:41.37 | azeem | psyche_: is there something more informative on the second console(alt+f2)? |
| 18:41.50 | Apachez | itchi: space is all I got baby ;) |
| 18:41.58 | psyche_ | azeem what there should be? |
| 18:42.00 | azeem | psyche_: see whether wget is available |
| 18:42.08 | psyche_ | there is nothing |
| 18:42.09 | itchi | Apachez: But i dunno how that could be fix the libs and the c probs :-) |
| 18:42.09 | Apachez | /dev/md1 455G 601M |
| 18:42.13 | azeem | psyche_: eh, nothing? |
| 18:42.15 | psyche_ | because im installing it |
| 18:42.17 | psyche_ | netinstall |
| 18:42.22 | jelly | itchi: it's also impossible to do in general case. What if postgres is upgraded from 7.4 to 8.1 and updates all the data to a new and incompatible format. |
| 18:42.27 | azeem | psyche_: that doesn't mean there is "nothing", ok? |
| 18:42.27 | psyche_ | very minimal system without apt configuration |
| 18:42.40 | blubberdiblub | Apachez, itchi: not only space, but it would degrade FS performance heavily |
| 18:42.40 | psyche_ | well... yea there is but nothing useful |
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| 18:42.50 | psyche_ | what i can use in this situation |
| 18:42.52 | azeem | there should be ping at least AFAIK |
| 18:42.58 | Apachez | ehm actually why would it ? |
| 18:42.58 | itchi | jelly: Yeah, sure. Idem for all these other 'new' file/config format the new apps may use |
| 18:42.59 | azeem | can you ping the box? |
| 18:43.14 | azeem | if you have a second machine |
| 18:43.19 | Apachez | put the slower parts of the harddrive for shadows |
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| 18:43.37 | psyche_ | "Bad archive mirror, The specified debian archive mirror is either not available, or does not have a valid release file on it. Please try a different mirror" |
| 18:43.38 | jelly | itchi: just saying, even if you had an effective snapshot of /, /usr and /etc, it still might not be enough |
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| 18:43.46 | psyche_ | thats the error |
| 18:43.52 | itchi | Apachez: Yeah 12G for the 'running' system and 120G for all these roll-backs :-p |
| 18:44.07 | logd | hi, where do i can find infos on different kernels ie what a 2.2 kernel 'a 2.4 and 2.6 pros e cons ? |
| 18:44.16 | itchi | jelly: You know what you may try to build now :-) |
| 18:44.21 | valdyn | logd: you just go for 2.6 |
| 18:44.30 | itchi | jelly: IF you have free time, code some nice feature :-) |
| 18:44.42 | Apachez | itchi: well I have 500GB here so :P |
| 18:44.43 | logd | <valdyn>? |
| 18:45.13 | itchi | Apachez: But there still leave some technical problems. Space these days is not a big issue |
| 18:45.13 | jelly | Apachez: which CPU? |
| 18:45.25 | Apachez | q6600 |
| 18:45.34 | Apachez | works good with debian etch amd64 |
| 18:45.37 | Apachez | used netinst |
| 18:45.49 | valdyn | logd: you dont really have a choice, 2.6 is nearly your only choice, using something else is highly inconvenient ( exceptions exist ) |
| 18:46.12 | jelly | Apachez: if you really need rollbacks, use Xen or some other virtual machine which has replication and/or snapshots |
| 18:46.38 | Apachez | na was just curious since im testing this hardware before I will set it to production |
| 18:46.45 | azeem | psyche_: then try another mirror still, if there is no better error on alt+f2 |
| 18:46.51 | Apachez | so i started with software raid and etch, worked like a charm |
| 18:47.03 | Apachez | took roughly 2-3 hours to sync the disks (raid1 500gb) |
| 18:47.06 | valdyn | logd: 2.2 is not even maintained properly anymore, entirely out of the question for a new to setup system |
| 18:47.18 | DustyBin | how could i compile amsn using the websites source code without it messing up my debian install? |
| 18:47.19 | Apachez | but then I went ballistic and tried testing and after that unstable :P |
| 18:47.36 | psyche_ | azeem that doesnt matter wich one i try to use |
| 18:47.53 | jelly | Apachez: eh, just reinstall, then |
| 18:48.06 | Apachez | yeah I will |
| 18:48.07 | azeem | psyche_: maybe you have a http proxy cache which corrupts stuff |
| 18:48.12 | Apachez | but that will take like 2-3 hours :P |
| 18:48.15 | itchi | Apachez: Heh, use unstable in chroot or in virtual computers ;-) |
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| 18:48.55 | Apachez | one (among other) nifty thing with the 64bit version of debian -> VmallocTotal: 34359738367 kB |
| 18:49.16 | valdyn | logd: maybe you can come up with more specific requirements, then i or anyone can come up with more specific information |
| 18:50.24 | valdyn | Apachez: why dont you just do daily backups? |
| 18:50.52 | psyche_ | azeem i dont have |
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| 18:51.18 | azeem | psyche_: I suggest you get a full ISO then, and debug APT after you got base etc. installed |
| 18:51.24 | itchi | Apachez: rsnapshot for example ... |
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| 18:51.50 | Apachez | valdyn: ? |
| 18:52.05 | Apachez | valdyn: again its a freshly built box which Im just experimenting (playing) with now |
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| 18:53.02 | valdyn | Apachez: sure, but you asked for rollback capabilities |
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| 18:53.23 | valdyn | Apachez: that's easy to implement, you just need to do the backups.. |
| 18:53.31 | scyrma | I'm using etch, I need a good ftp client. ncftp crashes some transfers, gftp had this annoying modal window .. which one should I use? ftp has been around for so long, there must be one client that "just works".. :) |
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| 18:54.06 | Braindead | scyrma: lftp |
| 18:54.18 | Braindead | !ftpmustdie |
| 18:54.18 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 18:54.24 | valdyn | scyrma: ncftp is fine, the ftp protocol is teh mess |
| 18:54.26 | scyrma | ftp *must* die. |
| 18:54.31 | itchi | scyrma: 'ftp'? |
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| 18:55.53 | itchi | scyrma: Read that page, serious ;-) |
| 18:57.01 | scyrma | shall do.. |
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| 18:58.17 | ampex | is etch 4.0r1 newer than just etch4.0? |
| 18:58.32 | et | Dark_Apostrophe: Any hints on how to install compiz-fusion? howtos and buildscripts that i find on the net only fail :/ |
| 18:58.39 | Braindead | ampex: just security upgrades. |
| 18:58.58 | Braindead | ampex: an updated etch install is 4.0r1 |
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| 19:01.38 | L_Neves | Hi. I need to install the old NVidia's driver version 5336, which is not on Etch's repository (the oldest there is 73xx). Is there a repository for older drivers? |
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| 19:02.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | et: Use the Shame Debian Repository |
| 19:02.54 | Braindead | L_Neves: http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 19:03.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | et: deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-sid/desktopfx/unstable/ ./ |
| 19:03.24 | harpal | When I try to start my networking than its giving me error SIOCSIFADDR: No such device eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 19:03.56 | Braindead | harpal: yeah strange error message, I'm wondering what it means |
| 19:04.41 | L_Neves | thanks! |
| 19:05.31 | harpal | I have checked that if my networking driver loaded or not, Ihave realteck and all drivers are loaded |
| 19:06.47 | blubberdiblub | harpal: well, if you have only one card, it would probably be assigned the name "eth0", not "eth1" |
| 19:07.07 | blubberdiblub | harpal: check via ifconfig -a |
| 19:07.37 | harpal | I have two card |
| 19:07.54 | harpal | both I get this error message |
| 19:08.12 | blubberdiblub | check "ifconfig -a" anyways ... does it list eth0 and eth1? |
| 19:08.20 | Braindead | harpal: put your interfaces file on a pastebin |
| 19:08.26 | Braindead | !pastebin |
| 19:08.26 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
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| 19:09.45 | harpal | blubberdiblub: no its showing me eth6 to eth9 |
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| 19:10.35 | blubberdiblub | harpal: well, then it's obvious ... edit /etc/network/interfaces to use the correct interface names |
| 19:10.46 | DustyBin | if you compile something in debian, where is a good place to store the files? |
| 19:10.55 | DustyBin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know how I can get this webcam working? http://paste.debian.net/34866 |
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| 19:14.29 | harpal | Braindead: here is my interface file http://pastebin.ca/661367 |
| 19:14.29 | aramdune | I am trying to install nvidia-glx package. It fails with following error: http://pastebin.ca/661287 . nvidia-glx-legacy doesn't exist (I purged it). I also removed stalling files from /var/lib/dpkg/info/ and modified /var/lib/dpkg/status and also removed symlinks form /usr/lib/libGL* but with no avail. Any tips? |
| 19:15.01 | \amethyst | DustyBin: /usr/local usually, opt should be strictly one subdir per package or provider (no /opt/bin etc) |
| 19:15.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me get tftp-hpa working? When I try tftp localhost and try to get a file, it times out |
| 19:15.24 | \amethyst | DustyBin: Or, make a .deb :) |
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| 19:16.27 | Braindead | harpal: ok. just change the interfaces file accordingly (eth6 and eth9) |
| 19:16.33 | \amethyst | aramdune: what about vidia-glx-legacy-96xx ? |
| 19:16.57 | \amethyst | aramdune: that's not the same as nvidia-glx-legacy |
| 19:16.57 | bipolar | did anyone else notice that there is no drbd module in the etch kernel update we recently had? |
| 19:17.24 | \amethyst | aramdune: nvidia, not vidia |
| 19:17.27 | aramdune | \amethyst, let me check |
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| 19:18.18 | jelly | bipolar: is drbd in kernel at all? |
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| 19:19.04 | bipolar | jelly: yeah. thats how I installed it. the kernel module is in it's own package. |
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| 19:19.46 | userek | hi, is there any way to repiar deiban instalation in which someone has deleted apt and dpkg directories from /var? |
| 19:19.49 | harpal | Braindead: thanx now its working |
| 19:19.55 | jelly | bipolar: so, you can use m-a to build it again in case the previously installed version does not work any more |
| 19:20.05 | userek | probably not, but.. :) |
| 19:20.18 | bipolar | jelly: I guess I'm going to have to |
| 19:20.28 | aramdune | \amethyst, no. it didn't work. let me try a different approach. I will install the legacy drivers along with the legacy module. maybe it'll work. |
| 19:20.50 | jelly | bipolar: it being in its own packages actually means it does not come with the kernel, but as a separate source |
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| 19:21.30 | bipolar | jelly: know what? I may be smoking crack. I might have used m-a to build the module. :P |
| 19:22.29 | jelly | bipolar: possible. I don't see anything like drbd0.7-module-2.6.18-4-686 in apt-cache search |
| 19:22.32 | \amethyst | aramdune: I was thinking uninstall the nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx, but that works too |
| 19:22.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me get tftp-hpa working? When I try tftp localhost and try to get a file, it times out |
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| 19:23.24 | jelly | Dark_Apostrophe: is tftp entry in /etc/inetd.conf enabled? |
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| 19:24.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly: It's not commented, but I don't really know |
| 19:24.48 | jelly | Dark_Apostrophe: uncommented = enabled here. is inetd running? :-) |
| 19:24.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/34867 |
| 19:25.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yeah, it is |
| 19:25.08 | blubberdiblub | Dark_Apostrophe: maybe an alternative would be atftp/atftpd |
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| 19:26.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | blubberdiblub: Okay, I don't care what app it is, so long that it works for the few minutes I need it |
| 19:26.44 | blubberdiblub | Dark_Apostrophe: atftp works like a breeze here |
| 19:27.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, great |
| 19:27.06 | harpal | Braindead: new problem now networking is up but I cant ping to any machine |
| 19:27.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | I just need it to hack my Fonera router and install dd-wrt |
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| 19:27.35 | jelly | Dark_Apostrophe: I also have atftpd ... even though I don't remember what did I ever use it for |
| 19:28.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/34868 |
| 19:28.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | Great, dpkg error |
| 19:28.11 | blubberdiblub | jelly: i need it for my managed switch |
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| 19:29.09 | jelly | well, this machine had been a dhcp server a while ago, but nothing ever booted from it |
| 19:29.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | So how do I solve this error? |
| 19:30.02 | jelly | Dark_Apostrophe: comment out that invoke-rc.d ... stop line in /var/lib/dpkg/info/tftpd-hpa.prerm, try again |
| 19:30.18 | edju | running etch, compliling the 2.6.22 kernel. debian enables SYSFS_DEPRECATED by default. kernel.org says any distro newer than 2006, say no. do i need it or not? |
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| 19:30.58 | jelly | edju: not set on my custom 2.6.22 build |
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| 19:31.11 | twb | edju: do you even need to recompile the kernel? |
| 19:31.26 | jelly | twb: there is no 2.6.22 in etcg |
| 19:31.31 | fasta | Is there a clone of Windows solitaire for Debian? |
| 19:31.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly: Didn't seem to help |
| 19:31.40 | twb | jelly: so backport |
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| 19:31.56 | jelly | twb: ... and THAT involves compiling. |
| 19:32.01 | twb | fasta: yes, it comes with wine. |
| 19:32.09 | twb | jelly: not necessaril. |
| 19:32.16 | jelly | fasta: apt-cache search solitaire ? |
| 19:32.19 | twb | jelly: it certainly doesn't involve making menuconfig. |
| 19:32.22 | sls_ | Hi, I am trying to compile a vmware tools package in debian 4 --- but it keeps saying that it cant find the linux/version.h.... I have extracted the linux-sources and installed the headers for the runing kernel --- what else can I do?? |
| 19:32.29 | fasta | jelly: everything I tried has slightly different rules |
| 19:32.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly: Never mind, I figured it out |
| 19:32.44 | fasta | jelly: (this is obviously not for myself) |
| 19:32.52 | twb | fasta: however, there are BETTER implementations that AREN'T clones of Windows' sol.exe, such as pysol. |
| 19:33.03 | edju | jelly, well, if it's OK for you, it's OK for me ... thanks. |
| 19:33.29 | aramdune | \amethyst, it installed correctly, now let me check it |
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| 19:33.41 | sls_ | anyone... vmware... Bueler... |
| 19:33.48 | jelly | sls_: you don't need linux-sources, only linux-headers-`uname -r` installed |
| 19:34.00 | blubberdiblub | edju: i haven't had any problem with setting that to "n" either |
| 19:34.03 | sls_ | jelly -- really? |
| 19:34.09 | jelly | sls_: YARLY |
| 19:34.15 | sls_ | how come it does not work then? |
| 19:34.21 | twb | When the the vmware-package package appear? Lenny? |
| 19:34.25 | twb | *first appear |
| 19:34.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | blubberdiblub: Ok, how do I use atftpd? |
| 19:34.27 | sls_ | I have that installed.. |
| 19:34.42 | twb | Dark_Apostrophe: with great difficulty. |
| 19:34.52 | jelly | sls_: can you pastebin the command you're running and complete output? |
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| 19:34.57 | twb | Dark_Apostrophe: are you trying to netboot? |
| 19:34.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | twb: ? |
| 19:34.59 | aramdune | it works, yay! :) |
| 19:35.01 | blubberdiblub | Dark_Apostrophe: usually, while installing the package, debconf asks you how you want it to be configured |
| 19:35.10 | jelly | !paster |
| 19:35.10 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 19:35.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | blubberdiblub: It didn't |
| 19:35.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | blubberdiblub: I did dpkg-reconfigure on it |
| 19:35.48 | blubberdiblub | Dark_Apostrophe: try dpkg-reconfigure -plow atftpd |
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| 19:36.20 | jelly | twb: in any case, if the user wants her own kernel, she can get rid of all the unnecessary crap that Debian's .config enables |
| 19:36.37 | twb | jelly: IME it's usually not worth the hassle. |
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| 19:37.11 | jelly | twb: makes a difference between waiting only 5-10 minutes, and half an hour to build :-) |
| 19:37.22 | twb | jelly: only 5-10 minutes where? |
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| 19:37.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | What is the default tftp port? |
| 19:37.44 | twb | Dark_Apostrophe: grep tftp /etc/services |
| 19:37.48 | fasta | twb: I installed pysol. I don't see how it is better as the cards are not resized when the screen is resized. |
| 19:37.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | blubberdiblub: What does -plow do? |
| 19:38.00 | blubberdiblub | Dark_Apostrophe: just say tftp, you don't need to use a number |
| 19:38.01 | twb | fasta: Windows sol.exe doesn't do that. |
| 19:38.05 | jelly | twb: Athlon X2 4200+, make -j2 |
| 19:38.07 | mmlj4 | what's up? spamassassin isn't running any tests: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 tagged_above=-999 required=4 tests=[none] |
| 19:38.11 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: getent services tftp |
| 19:38.16 | blubberdiblub | Dark_Apostrophe: sets to show also the lowest priority questions |
| 19:38.16 | fasta | twb: ok, then in sol.exe they are larger by default |
| 19:38.24 | twb | jelly: you mean the compile time? But if you're not compiling the kernel, it takes 0 time. |
| 19:38.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | blubberdiblub: Ok |
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| 19:38.55 | twb | fasta: gnome-games, IIRC, has a program "sol" that provides vector images for the cards, and they are resized on WINCH |
| 19:39.00 | blubberdiblub | Dark_Apostrophe: you can try "dpkg-reconfigure -plow debconf" to set debconf up to always show all questions |
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| 19:39.06 | twb | (Whatever WINCH is called under X) |
| 19:39.15 | jelly | twb: then we'd need to figure out if the user really needs to compile or not |
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| 19:39.29 | twb | jelly: which was, I believe, my original question :-) |
| 19:39.58 | jelly | twb: and my assumption was that she wanted to do just that. |
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| 19:40.25 | twb | It disturbs me that some people deploy something as powerful as an "Athlon X2 4200+" for less than a hundred concurrent users. |
| 19:40.38 | twb | jelly: want /= need |
| 19:40.39 | cargohold | Hi |
| 19:41.04 | jelly | edju: why are you building a custom kernel? |
| 19:41.22 | fasta | twb: what users are that? |
| 19:41.23 | twb | Nine times out of ten people asking how to compile kernel stuff in #debian seem to be trying to solve the wrong problem. |
| 19:41.32 | twb | fasta: eh? |
| 19:41.37 | jelly | twb: that's a common relatively cheap cpu these days. |
| 19:41.48 | fasta | twb: it disturbs... concurrent users. |
| 19:42.02 | twb | fasta: I don't understand the question. |
| 19:42.08 | cargohold | jelly: I run like you on things, you need, like i girl, vine... sexxiness |
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| 19:42.13 | twb | jelly: I bet it's a lot more than 800 bogomips. |
| 19:42.16 | jelly | twb: even the previous Athlon XP at 1.8GHz built in like 15 minutes |
| 19:42.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly, blubberdiblub: It works :D |
| 19:42.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly: Thanks |
| 19:42.28 | fasta | twb: are you suggesting that a 4200+ is lots of power? |
| 19:42.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | blubberdiblub: thanks |
| 19:42.32 | twb | fasta: yes. |
| 19:42.44 | fasta | twb: oh, well, maybe for "ordinary users". |
| 19:42.56 | cargohold | I have 2534,000 bots.. im not sure anyone... :=) ... oh well, have fun! |
| 19:42.58 | jelly | fasta: hey, it's a decent desktop cpu. |
| 19:42.59 | fasta | twb: I know I can use at least a factor 10 more. |
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| 19:43.16 | twb | fasta: yabbut you probably run gnome and firefox |
| 19:43.17 | fasta | jelly: sure |
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| 19:43.36 | fasta | twb: what were you talking about? |
| 19:43.40 | cargohold | fasta: GNOM;E pwnz! |
| 19:43.42 | twb | They are huge resource hogs |
| 19:43.44 | fasta | twb: console users? |
| 19:43.54 | fasta | twb: GHC is a huge resource hog. |
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| 19:44.00 | twb | Haha |
| 19:44.04 | twb | That's true. |
| 19:44.06 | fasta | twb: it does not return memory to the OS |
| 19:44.08 | blubberdiblub | Dark_Apostrophe: how does installing atftpd proceed? (got disconnected) |
| 19:44.12 | fasta | twb: that's just _insane_ |
| 19:44.12 | spx2 | how about a nice lightweight graphical mail client ? |
| 19:44.16 | twb | It has to, when it terminates. |
| 19:44.31 | twb | spx2: mutt |
| 19:44.31 | fasta | twb: yes, "when it terminates". |
| 19:44.33 | lolcats | i want to remove totem but when i run $apt-get remove totem %EOF% it comes up saying that it wants to remove "gnome-desktop-environment" - will removing this destroy my install? |
| 19:44.37 | spx2 | twb: i said graphical |
| 19:44.42 | twb | fasta: it's not as bad as stalin |
| 19:44.43 | fasta | twb: but a typical development session is completely unlike that. |
| 19:44.46 | twb | spx2: mutt is graphical. |
| 19:45.02 | twb | fasta: you mean ghci? |
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| 19:45.04 | jelly | twb: bogomips are at 2 * MHz per core on i386, P2+ machines, I think. |
| 19:45.06 | fasta | twb: yes |
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| 19:45.09 | spx2 | twb: if it's like links2 -g graphical it's great,if not , its not |
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| 19:45.11 | twb | fasta: ah, well. |
| 19:45.16 | fasta | twb: they both have the same problem. |
| 19:45.33 | twb | fasta: maybe you can use hugs instead. |
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| 19:45.35 | Braindead | spx2: sylpheed |
| 19:45.40 | jelly | lolcats: how r u gentlmn lolz |
| 19:45.52 | lolcats | i is good how you bee? |
| 19:46.06 | twb | Colourless green ideas sleep furiously. |
| 19:46.10 | tonsofpcs | I CAN HAS LOLCODE? |
| 19:46.20 | lolcats | i do can has taco |
| 19:46.23 | tonsofpcs | K THX |
| 19:46.25 | fasta | twb: anyway, sol also is not good. |
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| 19:46.29 | tonsofpcs | K THX BYE |
| 19:46.33 | lolcats | kthanxbai |
| 19:46.35 | fasta | twb: it shows three cards, instead of one. |
| 19:46.44 | lolcats | i really want to get rid of totem |
| 19:46.45 | twb | fasta: I don't care anymore. |
| 19:46.47 | fasta | twb: hugs is a toy, imho. |
| 19:46.51 | twb | fasta: hehe |
| 19:46.52 | fasta | twb: neither do I. |
| 19:47.11 | twb | That is to say that, before, I did not care. Now, I care even less. |
| 19:47.30 | chlue | Hello I am trying to update Opera to the latest version. The program is not in Debian, so I downloaded the *.deb from the homepage. I tried to install it with "aptitude install name.deb" but aptitude refuse to do it. It seems to work graphical with KPackage. Will this cause problems, or is there a way to get aptitude cooperate? |
| 19:47.36 | fasta | twb: I fully understand your position ;) |
| 19:47.52 | twb | chlue: to install an already-downloaded file you use dpkg, not aptitude. |
| 19:48.06 | lolcats | chlue, you wanted dpkg install pack.deb |
| 19:48.09 | twb | chlue: however, Opera has a little-advertised repository. |
| 19:48.24 | twb | !opera apt |
| 19:48.25 | dpkg | check http://www.opera.com/support/search/view/841/?keyword=apt&platformID=7 |
| 19:48.28 | chlue | twb, lolcats: ok thanks |
| 19:48.37 | jelly | chlue: use dpkg -i deb-file-name instead |
| 19:48.39 | cargohold | Lets find out what good folks we have in here: Im the only one coding www.gadmintools.org |
| 19:48.46 | cargohold | Like it ? |
| 19:49.08 | twb | cargohold: no, it's totally unreadable |
| 19:49.13 | twb | cargohold: don't use tables for alignment. |
| 19:49.20 | cargohold | I weigh in at 219 kg |
| 19:49.33 | twb | cargohold: ftp://twb.ath.cx/tmp/screenshot.txt <-- what I see |
| 19:49.34 | cargohold | youre saying ? =) |
| 19:49.42 | chlue | twb: I prefer to keep the sources.list clean, so I am always sure, the packets in aptitude are either from debian, or at least debianmultimedia. |
| 19:49.42 | jelly | cargohold: that explains the nick! |
| 19:49.43 | cargohold | checking |
| 19:49.50 | fasta | twb: for Haskell 98 development Hugs is pretty nice. |
| 19:50.01 | fasta | twb: but then again Haskell 98 is rather limited... |
| 19:50.06 | twb | chlue: IMO it's cleaner to use apt than manually resolving dependency relations. |
| 19:50.19 | twb | fasta: hugs *does* have an extended mode |
| 19:50.41 | fasta | twb: yes, but not as extended as I need |
| 19:50.43 | twb | Oh, that's the default. |
| 19:50.43 | jelly | chlue: I have a local repository, it's easy to create |
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| 19:50.49 | cargohold | twb, chlue, fasta: buhu... Keeh ? |
| 19:50.51 | twb | -fglasgow-exts is for ghci |
| 19:50.58 | fasta | twb: e.g. no newtype deriving |
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| 19:51.12 | lolcats | cargohold, they look OK |
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| 19:51.51 | twb | Yeah... I don't actually use Haskell much. I mostly write sysadm scripts, which is kinda against the grain for Haskell. |
| 19:51.52 | cargohold | lolcats: No, they should.. the others are lame and havnt coded jack shit.... |
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| 19:52.05 | cargohold | twb: are you rotten ? |
| 19:52.09 | lolcats | cargohold, you want a scripter? |
| 19:52.12 | twb | cargohold: are you a bit? |
| 19:52.17 | twb | cargohold: are you a bot? |
| 19:52.18 | fasta | twb: that's not really true when you setup the right environment. |
| 19:52.19 | cargohold | twb: are you claiming my works ? |
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| 19:52.28 | fasta | twb: but I guess you use ScSh? |
| 19:52.32 | twb | fasta: yeah |
| 19:52.36 | lolcats | i write a tool to swap out resolv.conf files on the fly |
| 19:52.44 | fasta | twb: well, I certainly won't say that's a bad choice. |
| 19:52.45 | twb | fasta: it's easy to deploy :-) |
| 19:52.50 | jelly | lolcats: EWW |
| 19:52.53 | cargohold | "lolcats> cargohold, you want a scripter?" Lol, fuck just must be stupid |
| 19:52.56 | twb | using the scsh ffi is a PITA though |
| 19:53.18 | lolcats | cp /etc/netprofiles/home/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:53.22 | lolcats | thats one line for "home" |
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| 19:53.26 | twb | I think cargohold is a bot. |
| 19:53.27 | lolcats | its written in Python |
| 19:53.35 | cargohold | Wth is wrong with CIA/FBI theesa DaysaH :=) |
| 19:54.04 | cargohold | twb: yes, i am... eagle next bitch |
| 19:54.16 | cargohold | twb> stfu |
| 19:54.16 | jelly | !ops cargohold is making no sense |
| 19:54.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly complains about: cargohold is making no sense |
| 19:54.19 | twb | !ops cargohold admits to being a bot, and is annoying |
| 19:54.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: twb complains about: cargohold admits to being a bot, and is annoying |
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| 19:54.25 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, how can I add a directory to the path and all its directories? |
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| 19:54.31 | goltor | can i tell aptitude to automatically update my nvidia and ipw3945 binary drivers after a kernel upgrade? |
| 19:54.39 | fasta | jelly: why don't they just give you ops? |
| 19:54.39 | tomaw | cargohold? |
| 19:54.41 | cargohold | Woohaw!.. Clearly erotic! |
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| 19:54.50 | LoRez | oh, you again? |
| 19:54.51 | jelly | fasta: I don't want them? |
| 19:54.53 | twb | tomaw: thank you. |
| 19:54.54 | itchi | goltor: Sure, but you need to rebuild the modules |
| 19:54.59 | LoRez | he's just a massive troll |
| 19:55.04 | harpal | I have downloaded new DVD of debian4.0 but when I try to install packets from apt-get than its giving me warning untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed |
| 19:55.06 | lolcats | gonzaloaf_work, try PATH=$PATH+"newdir" |
| 19:55.16 | jelly | LoRez: heh |
| 19:55.19 | fasta | jelly: ok, I supposed that would be easier than to ask someone else to do it. |
| 19:55.23 | twb | goltor: good question. |
| 19:55.35 | harpal | Is that 4.0 is not stable? |
| 19:55.41 | twb | goltor: the only thing I can think of is to write a cron job. |
| 19:55.54 | lolcats | harpal, check your repository |
| 19:55.55 | gonzaloaf_work | lolcats, I dont think so |
| 19:56.03 | gonzaloaf_work | another clue? |
| 19:56.03 | twb | harpal: currently, Debian 4.0 (Etch) is stable. |
| 19:56.03 | goltor | twb: mmm |
| 19:56.09 | lolcats | gonzaloaf_work, o rly? |
| 19:56.19 | fasta | twb: that kind of polish should be in every distro |
| 19:56.23 | harpal | locats: I have made that DVD as my repository |
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| 19:56.37 | lolcats | aaaagh yeah you want +":/dir/" |
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| 19:56.52 | twb | fasta: the one that's cheaper than turpentine and twice as strong? |
| 19:56.55 | lolcats | harpal, you should be fine |
| 19:57.05 | erik2066 | yesterday, my etch did an automatic update. Now during boot, I get about 4 possible ways to boor, seemingly with my previous kernel and with a new kernel. The defult boot does not start the X-windows system anymore (GNOME) and stays in a terminal mode. Something wrong with NVIDIA or so.... Booting with the older option, The machine start with GNOME, but VMware does not work anymore, neither... |
| 19:57.07 | erik2066 | ...the VMPlayer.... |
| 19:57.08 | erik2066 | HELP !!!! |
| 19:57.26 | harpal | twb: so why its giving me warning when try to install package |
| 19:57.41 | lolcats | erik2066, 0.0 |
| 19:57.47 | lolcats | that makes no sense |
| 19:58.16 | twb | harpal: insufficient data. |
| 19:58.20 | lolcats | try running startx |
| 19:58.21 | erik2066 | lolcats: yeah... tell me about it.... |
| 19:58.49 | jelly | erik2066: so rebuild the vmware modules. |
| 19:58.50 | lolcats | uuuaggh. whenever i suspend this damn laptop i get no sound afterwards |
| 19:58.53 | harpal | twb: insufficient data means? |
| 19:59.16 | twb | harpal: it means you have not provided sufficient data. |
| 19:59.23 | erik2066 | jelly: will my windows XP VM be lost ? |
| 19:59.28 | jelly | erik2066: no |
| 19:59.30 | lolcats | erik2066, no |
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| 19:59.56 | erik2066 | jelly: any idea what happened ? |
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| 20:00.18 | jelly | erik2066: you installed a new kernel, vmware needs its modules to be rebuilt. |
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| 20:00.33 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, how can I add a directory to the path and all its directories? |
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| 20:00.39 | fasta | twb: the one that doesn't let you think: who built this piece of crap? |
| 20:00.44 | Shinkai | DCC CHAT C:\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ |
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| 20:00.50 | erik2066 | jelly: what about the kernel ?why 4 grub boot options ? |
| 20:00.55 | twb | fasta: Debian has moments like that. |
| 20:01.10 | twb | Primarily when trying to use non-Free software. |
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| 20:01.20 | siddharta | hello everybody |
| 20:01.23 | fasta | twb: yes, it seems allergic for non-Free. |
| 20:01.34 | jelly | erik2066: no idea about that, maybe if you pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
| 20:01.37 | pingouin | i got a warning when i shutdown -h the computer at the end, that the disk (my SATA one) maybe not be SPUN properly (with some scsi stuffs, sorry i did not writed it down) and it give me a url : sata-linux.org/shutdown where it's talked about some update for shutdown , any clue/help ? |
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| 20:02.00 | fasta | twb: AFAIK, the argument is that if they don't support the non-Free more will use the Free. |
| 20:02.06 | siddharta | I'm experiencing a problem with building acx100-SOURCE (wifi driver) with 2.6.21-2-686 kernel |
| 20:02.15 | siddharta | with m-a i get the error |
| 20:02.18 | erik2066 | jelly: rebuild VM modules: does that mean reinstall VMware from the zip-file ? |
| 20:02.20 | fasta | twb: an argument that only works when there's an alternative, of course... |
| 20:02.21 | jelly | erik2066: basically sounds like you installed a totally new kernel and not just an update, so you can now boot both old and new, in both normal and single user ("recovery") mode |
| 20:02.27 | jelly | erik2066: no. |
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| 20:02.52 | twb | fasta: no, I mean things like "why can't I play <non-free codec> OOTB?" and "why doesn't my <evil wireless device> work?" |
| 20:02.53 | fasta | twb: and since all the alternatives for graphical user-land software generally suck... |
| 20:03.10 | jelly | erik2066: did you get an error output when trying to run vmware? |
| 20:03.14 | erik2066 | jelly: yeah, and the new kernel disabled X-windows.... |
| 20:03.24 | twb | graphical user-land software sucks by definition |
| 20:03.25 | fasta | twb: yes, I know you meant that. |
| 20:03.31 | erik2066 | jelly: no error when startin vmware. just nothing |
| 20:03.37 | jelly | erik2066: so you also need to rebuild the nvidia modules. |
| 20:03.49 | siddharta | '/usr/src/modules/acx100/wlan.c:40:26: eror : linux/config.h : No such File |
| 20:03.53 | lolcats | twb, i have to do userland x11 |
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| 20:03.58 | jelly | erik2066: this is all normal when a new kernel is installed, btw. |
| 20:04.02 | twb | The only excuse for "graphicalness" is where it's inherently so, such as displaying graphs |
| 20:04.03 | fasta | twb: you don't like that X can display more colors than the console? |
| 20:04.12 | Kartoffelsalat | hi guys, i have a gif animation, bt i do not see the animation - which libs do i need? |
| 20:04.15 | twb | fasta: it can't. |
| 20:04.26 | anirban | Hi |
| 20:04.27 | fasta | twb: can I watch movies in the console? |
| 20:04.27 | siddharta | does someone have an idea |
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| 20:04.32 | twb | fasta: yes. |
| 20:04.33 | jelly | fasta: I like different font sizes and proportional fonts, too! |
| 20:04.34 | erik2066 | jelly: kind of rude, to give me a neew kernel without asking.... |
| 20:04.37 | lolcats | Kartoffelsalat, none |
| 20:04.40 | lolcats | what app? |
| 20:04.42 | anirban | I got bad blocks in my "/" partition |
| 20:04.45 | fasta | twb: then maybe I could join your console club too. |
| 20:04.45 | Kartoffelsalat | iceweasel |
| 20:04.47 | Kartoffelsalat | weird... |
| 20:04.51 | anirban | I am using resierfs |
| 20:04.52 | Kartoffelsalat | i will try another gif |
| 20:05.00 | anirban | what to do |
| 20:05.05 | fasta | twb: how can I see a full-color movie on the console? |
| 20:05.08 | lolcats | Kartoffelsalat, check with another browser |
| 20:05.10 | twb | fasta: if you just run "mplayer foo.mpeg" on fbcon it should work. |
| 20:05.19 | twb | You may need to be in the appropriate secondary groups. |
| 20:05.20 | jelly | erik2066: you told it to upgrade, didn't you? and since nvidia and vmware are not part of debian, they might be a bit harder to set up and maintain |
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| 20:05.27 | fasta | twb: fbcon is vo? |
| 20:05.58 | twb | fasta: no, -vo help lists fbdev and fbdev2. |
| 20:06.09 | twb | You can obviously also use caca |
| 20:06.23 | petemc | or just use X, like normal people |
| 20:06.24 | jelly | twb: mplayer's fb drivers are completely unaccelerated. |
| 20:06.34 | twb | jelly: he never asked for accel. |
| 20:06.44 | jelly | twb: X is less of a resource hog. |
| 20:06.47 | jelly | :-) |
| 20:06.53 | siddharta | I'm experiencing a problem with building acx100-SOURCE (wifi driver) with 2.6.21-2-686 kernel i'm using m-a, and i get this error '/usr/src/modules/acx100/wlan.c:40:26: eror : linux/config.h : No such File |
| 20:06.54 | twb | jelly: I never disagreed. |
| 20:07.15 | jelly | twb: you suggested using it, however |
| 20:07.16 | siddharta | so i have the kernel-source and kernel-headers installed |
| 20:07.25 | siddharta | i really don't understand |
| 20:07.30 | twb | jelly: he asked how to watch videos on the console. |
| 20:07.37 | twb | X is only better than fbcon because it has orders more developers working on it. |
| 20:07.40 | jelly | twb: and WHY did he ask that? |
| 20:07.49 | erik2066 | jelly: yes I did ... but hey.... this is no upgrade... for me....anyway: how do I rebuild VMware modules ? I downloaded VMware from their site and installed from the zips.... would I just redo that ? or is there debian stuff underneath ? |
| 20:07.51 | twb | jelly: because he mistakenly believes that I don't use X at all. |
| 20:08.40 | jelly | erik2066: you need to run something like /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl ... that's what it's called in vmware server. |
| 20:08.42 | fasta | twb: mplayer -vo fbdev2 <movie> does not work |
| 20:08.51 | fasta | twb: same for fbdev |
| 20:09.02 | twb | fasta: probably because you're not using the fbcon. |
| 20:09.13 | fasta | twb: what is the fbcon? |
| 20:09.18 | twb | The framebuffer console. |
| 20:09.35 | Kartoffelsalat | arg, my fault, sorry... |
| 20:09.44 | jelly | erik2066: it will redo part of vmplayer's installation process, which includes compiling the kernel modules needed for vmware to work |
| 20:09.47 | Kartoffelsalat | webdevloper in iceweasel: deactivate animations |
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| 20:09.52 | Kartoffelsalat | shame on me :/ |
| 20:09.57 | fasta | twb: ok, and how do I use that? |
| 20:10.04 | fasta | twb: do I need to compile my own kernel? |
| 20:10.07 | siddharta | do you think i have to make a symlink from autoconf.h to config.h ? |
| 20:10.07 | twb | fasta: what GPU do you use? |
| 20:10.23 | fasta | twb: NV35, IIRC |
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| 20:11.26 | twb | Well, the fast way is to boot with the kernel argument video=vesafb:1024x768, FSVO 1024x768. |
| 20:11.55 | fasta | twb: the slow way is? |
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| 20:12.13 | twb | To use the (presumably superior) nvidiafb driver, you need to append the line "nvidiafb" to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules then run sudo update-initramfs -u -k all, then change vesafb to nvidiafb. |
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| 20:12.45 | eeyore- | howdy |
| 20:12.46 | MrDomino | So an interesting problem concerning USB key distros. |
| 20:13.01 | twb | I can only get 1600x1200-24 using the radeonfb driver. |
| 20:13.11 | erik2066 | jelly: eternal gratitude: /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl indeed did it... all the default answers... etc.... got my windows XP VM back ! |
| 20:13.26 | MrDomino | I've got a key laid out with a FAT32 partition, an ext2 partition, and an encrypted root partition. |
| 20:13.27 | eeyore- | twb: blame it on the card's bios? |
| 20:13.28 | siddharta | please gentlemen could you help me |
| 20:13.35 | twb | You will also want to install console-setup and kbd so you can have small (12px high) terminus face. |
| 20:13.47 | fasta | twb: but nvidiafb is incompatible with using 3d according to some random forum. |
| 20:13.49 | hajhouse | is there a way to find out which process is using a module (so that I can rmmod the busy module?) |
| 20:13.49 | twb | If you need unicode, you can use jfbterm, but this is very slow. |
| 20:13.50 | jelly | erik2066: nice. you basically need to rerun that on each new kernel installation |
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| 20:13.56 | twb | fasta: not my problem. |
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| 20:14.07 | MrDomino | If the key is plugged into a Windows machine, just the one drive shows up, like I want. On a Linux system that has some sort of automounting, though, the boot partition is also mounted. |
| 20:14.09 | eeyore- | twb: i can't even get 1600x1200 via DVI with my radeon 9700 pro |
| 20:14.22 | twb | eeyore-: buy an older card. |
| 20:14.26 | eeyore- | twb: (that's in console mode anyway) |
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| 20:14.40 | twb | eeyore-: are you using the radeonfb driver or the vesafb driver? |
| 20:14.40 | MrDomino | This is annoying because I want the boot partition to be completely read-only--i.e., I don't want anything on it to change, and I want to be able to verify that. |
| 20:15.15 | jelly | twb: fb drivers are crap anyway |
| 20:15.15 | eeyore- | in X of course it works fine :-) it's just that there's no VBE mode for 1600x1200 |
| 20:15.15 | twb | jelly: granted. |
| 20:15.15 | jelly | X rules! |
| 20:15.15 | eeyore- | twb: i have to use vesafb because i need to use X. if i use radeonfb I lose fglrx |
| 20:15.15 | twb | eeyore-: there are nonstandard vesa modes for 1600x1200 |
| 20:15.26 | twb | eeyore-: that's because you use evil non-free drivers. |
| 20:15.32 | twb | If you didn't, you would not have this issue. |
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| 20:15.35 | dondelelcaro | MrDomino: an operating system will always be able to write to it; the only way to really block it is with hardware. |
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| 20:15.41 | eeyore- | twb: i know, BUT my card doesn't have them so it's pointless becuase vesafb will only use what the card lists |
| 20:15.46 | MrDomino | What I'm looking for is either a way of saying "never write me" in the file system itself, or some idea of exactly what changes per mount. |
| 20:15.50 | twb | I don't understand why you people buy fancy new, shit, GPUs |
| 20:15.53 | thelostbutler | hello folks can some one recommend ways to figure out what this error means trap invalid opcode rip:434c2f rsp:7fff8ec52bf8 error:0 . i am using a 64bit kernel on a unofficial sarge 64bit env with 2.6.18.x kernel |
| 20:15.53 | eeyore- | twb: have you tried running vbetest which is part of the lrmi package? |
| 20:16.01 | jelly | eeyore-: btw, your 9700 might work well with the free r300 drivers. if you care to rebuild: drm, mesa, xorg drivers from cvs/svn/git :-) |
| 20:16.01 | twb | eeyore-: no. |
| 20:16.05 | eeyore- | twb: 9700pro is SEVERAL years old |
| 20:16.14 | twb | eeyore-: it's still too new. |
| 20:16.24 | eeyore- | twb: the "new shit" are the Radeon X1k line |
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| 20:16.32 | dondelelcaro | MrDomino: what filesystem are we talking about here? |
| 20:16.35 | MrDomino | dondelelcaro: correct. Lemme explain: I store the SHA-256 of the bootloader and the boot partition within the encrypted root. This way, I can start the system using a dedicated initrd and kernel in QEMU and verify that nothing's changed. |
| 20:16.36 | twb | No, that's "obscenely new, obscenely shit" |
| 20:16.43 | MrDomino | dondelelcaro: ext2. |
| 20:17.06 | jelly | eeyore-: everything up to X800 - X850 is supposed to be running well with those drivers |
| 20:17.10 | eeyore- | jelly: i am using it with fglrx/Xgl/compiz-fusion --- the opensource driver is much too slow for my taste, yes i do notice the latency with the opensource driver |
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| 20:17.15 | twb | My rv250 and rv200s work perfectly, but I'd never buy a newer ATI GPU. |
| 20:17.35 | MrDomino | dondelelcaro: in fact, it would probably be sufficient to know which blocks contain file system mount counts and times, and skip these in computing the checksum. |
| 20:17.37 | dondelelcaro | MrDomino: well, you can make it rather difficult to modify by making everything +i, but it'd always be possible to ignore that and modify things |
| 20:17.39 | twb | Well of course compiz is wasteful crap. |
| 20:17.45 | jelly | eeyore-: ah. I still haven't tried 3D on this xpress 200. |
| 20:17.47 | eeyore- | jelly: my laptop is mobility M300 and it does OK with opensource driver |
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| 20:17.57 | twb | If I wanted to heat the room I'd just run cpuburn |
| 20:18.14 | dondelelcaro | MrDomino: and if the mountcount matters, you can always specifically set it using tune2fs |
| 20:18.14 | twb | Or actually buy a piece of hardware designed specifically for that purpose |
| 20:18.20 | jelly | twb: compiz actually has some decent usability features. |
| 20:18.27 | twb | jelly: bullshit. It's occlusive |
| 20:18.32 | MrDomino | dondelelcaro: Actually, that's a really good idea. |
| 20:18.38 | fasta | jelly: no, compiz is crap. |
| 20:18.43 | eeyore- | twb: you're just jaelous ... |
| 20:18.47 | fasta | jelly: go wash your mouth. |
| 20:18.51 | fasta | jelly: ;) |
| 20:18.57 | jelly | twb: like no need to redraw windows then switching workspaces |
| 20:18.59 | twb | *jealous. |
| 20:19.07 | MrDomino | I'm pretty sure the blocks that are changing are just the timestamp and mount count. I could probably modify my init script to tune those before checking... |
| 20:19.13 | twb | Workspaces are only needed if you have too many windows to begin with |
| 20:20.03 | dondelelcaro | MrDomino: yeah, that'd just be tune2fs -C, -M, and -T is probably what you'd need to munge |
| 20:20.03 | twb | And anyway, IIUC that's a facility of X. |
| 20:20.04 | jelly | twb: that does not negate compiz having an advantage for those that DO use it. |
| 20:20.04 | avtobiff | twb, that is like saying that you only need channels if people have to much to say at IRC. |
| 20:20.12 | eeyore- | oooh, tune2fs -c0 -C0 -i0 -m0 ... muahahaha |
| 20:20.20 | dondelelcaro | MrDomino: baring that, you have to use a card which has a read only switch |
| 20:20.21 | MrDomino | Right. Lemme see if it works--thanks. |
| 20:20.25 | jelly | eeyore-: hope your backups work -) |
| 20:20.38 | MrDomino | dondelelcaro: know of any? =p |
| 20:20.56 | Apachez | eeyore-: drunked ? :P |
| 20:21.03 | jelly | eeyore-: I never do -m0 though, -m1 maximum :-) |
| 20:21.07 | dondelelcaro | MrDomino: I've got one, but they tend to be a bit older |
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| 20:21.31 | eeyore- | jelly: well you know on terrabytes array you really want -m0 and maybe reserve small number of blocks ... even 1% is a lot |
| 20:21.45 | MrDomino | mm. I'm having trouble trusting the newer ones, as they get more and more crap-filled. |
| 20:21.55 | twb | Actually, once screen's vertical splitting is a bit more optimized the only real reason for me to use a X11 WM will be to separate pointer and keyboard foci. |
| 20:21.55 | jelly | eeyore-: I don't store class M planet levels of data |
| 20:22.02 | MrDomino | Mine came with some U3 shit that I had to remove from my work's Windows machine. >.< |
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| 20:22.31 | jelly | eeyore-: also, I split those to a good number of smaller partitions -- faster backups. |
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| 20:23.01 | eeyore- | jelly: amanda, differential dumps work just fine ... |
| 20:23.26 | jelly | eeyore-: eh, haven't run amanda since 2001 :-) |
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| 20:23.52 | fasta | twb: I just tried your video parameter, but it didn't work. |
| 20:24.11 | eeyore- | jelly: it still is a nice little tool ;-) you know for the price it can't be beat ... now this veritas netbackup on the other hand ... |
| 20:24.15 | dondelelcaro | MrDomino: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820214018 |
| 20:24.27 | twb | Perhaps vesafb isn't in the ramdisk. |
| 20:24.32 | jelly | eeyore-: ever tried timing how long would your restores from bare-metal work with lots of diff. backups? |
| 20:24.34 | eeyore- | for being a commercial product it is still full of shit ... |
| 20:24.38 | dondelelcaro | MrDomino: you can probably find others with a "write protect" switch |
| 20:24.49 | fasta | twb: I use initrd, does that matter? |
| 20:24.55 | twb | fasta: that is a ramdisk. |
| 20:24.58 | biopyte | hi. i'm going to format a new 2GB usbstick. is "mkfs -t vfat" ok, or should i use a different tool? |
| 20:25.00 | MrDomino | dondelelcaro: nice! |
| 20:25.16 | jelly | eeyore-: Legato Networker is decent, I hear. Haven't used it since 2005. :-) |
| 20:25.18 | twb | fasta: what tool do you use to generate the initrd? |
| 20:25.18 | fasta | twb: it's a "Debian kernel". |
| 20:25.26 | eeyore- | jelly: no, but since i don't backup to tapes i don't see why it would be slow :-) my backups go to RAID-5 treated as amanda "tape" volumes |
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| 20:25.46 | MrDomino | dondelelcaro: though I still want most of it to be writable... the idea is to keep standard USB-key functionality (i.e. a dumb file store) while also being able to boot and verify a trusted environment. |
| 20:25.50 | fasta | twb: I did compile my own kernels, but I stopped doing that once Debian kernels stopped doing something incredibly stupid. |
| 20:26.02 | \amethyst | biopyte: you might need to specify -F 32 |
| 20:26.03 | twb | fasta: booting? |
| 20:26.12 | eeyore- | jelly: and no, i can't do "bare metal" restore anyhow so i don't really care ... it takes a long time to get the base OS up in any event, the data is what i care about |
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| 20:26.24 | biopyte | \amethyst ok |
| 20:26.38 | jelly | eeyore-: well, restore just the data then. |
| 20:26.46 | fasta | twb: you compiled your own kernel? |
| 20:26.53 | twb | fasta: no. |
| 20:27.15 | jelly | eeyore-: but ok, reading from a raid5 should not be too bad |
| 20:27.34 | twb | I haven't even compiled Linux, execpt with make-kpkg. |
| 20:27.41 | twb | Successfully, anyway |
| 20:27.41 | eeyore- | jelly: most of the time it takes *me* to restore amanda is reading the manpage on amrestore :-) :-) :-) :-) i use it so rarely that this step takes maybe 75% of the time it takes to get to the amrestore ... | restore -ivbf ... |
| 20:28.51 | fasta | twb: anyway, I don't have a clue of what to do next, as I didn't get any error messages regarding vesafb |
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| 20:29.27 | twb | fasta: not surprising. |
| 20:29.37 | twb | fasta: try vga=770, it's a lot more conservative. |
| 20:29.50 | eeyore- | fasta: trying to figure out what your card supports? |
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| 20:30.56 | fasta | eeyore-: I'd assumed that since it can do pretty good graphics that it could do something as simple as putting text on a screen too. |
| 20:31.02 | FwdUsa | hi guys, how can I install GTK-2? i'm using debian, and I typed "apt-cache search gtk" but there are too many files... also tried "apt-get install gtk", without success |
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| 20:31.14 | eeyore- | fasta: what exactly is the problem? |
| 20:31.18 | twb | fasta: you assume wrong. |
| 20:31.29 | eeyore- | FwdUsa: gtk+ maybe? |
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| 20:31.42 | MrDomino | FwdUsa: search libgtk2.0 |
| 20:31.43 | \amethyst | FwdUsa: development libraries, or just the runtime ones? |
| 20:31.45 | twb | eeyore-: he's basically trying to amp up fbcon; he's currently only using the 80x24 VGA tty I assume. |
| 20:31.49 | fasta | eeyore-: mplayer -vo fbddev2 <movie> says /dev/fd0 is not there. |
| 20:31.59 | jelly | fasta: text on the screen is also graphics, these days. |
| 20:32.01 | FwdUsa | aamethyst, everything, i belive so =/ |
| 20:32.02 | eeyore- | fasta: uh ... |
| 20:32.23 | jelly | fasta: you don't really need that on that machine, just use X instead |
| 20:32.25 | eeyore- | fasta: i would assume that's because you're NOT running the console in graphics mode |
| 20:32.36 | twb | eeyore-: or he's not using udev |
| 20:32.39 | fasta | eeyore-: mplayer -vo fbdev2 <movie> says /dev/fb0 is not there. |
| 20:32.41 | jelly | fasta: if you had something like a P3/450 with a ATI Rage Pro card, it might even make sense to use fb... |
| 20:32.45 | twb | Which is unlikely these days. |
| 20:32.52 | MrDomino | Well crap. |
| 20:32.55 | eeyore- | fasta: besides, WHY the hell are you trying to run mplayer on fbconsole? you lose nice features like acceleration AND xvideo extensions, alpha key and stuff |
| 20:33.00 | MrDomino | Looks like known values are not enough. |
| 20:33.15 | twb | jelly: I use PIIIs regularly. |
| 20:33.23 | jelly | twb: not relevant |
| 20:33.26 | eeyore- | fasta: if you want to prove that it can be done, sure, fair enough, but you get better performance in X. anyhow, "cat /proc/fb" |
| 20:33.28 | twb | They handle X just fine |
| 20:33.29 | fasta | eeyore-: most of the time twb has sane suggestions, mostly doesn't hurt to try some. |
| 20:33.36 | FwdUsa | amethyst, do you know how could i install it? |
| 20:33.56 | MrDomino | Anybody intimately familiar with the ext2 superblock format? Or I could just go doc-digging... |
| 20:33.59 | twb | fasta: twb is a grumpy old man. |
| 20:34.00 | fasta | eeyore-: that gives the empty string as result |
| 20:34.07 | jelly | fasta: for insane values of "sane"? |
| 20:34.11 | eeyore- | fasta: well, you're NOT running in graphics mode, then |
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| 20:34.33 | twb | Pessimism, cynicism and draconism in equal parts. |
| 20:34.37 | eeyore- | fasta: if you want to know the safe VBE modes to use, install "lrmi" tool. then, run "vbetest" command, write down the modes you're interested in |
| 20:34.53 | twb | eeyore-: that's only vesa modes, surely? |
| 20:34.56 | eeyore- | fasta: take the mode number, add 512 to it, use this number in vga=..... parameter for kernel |
| 20:35.10 | eeyore- | twb: surely, because that's what vesafb SURELY supports :-p |
| 20:35.19 | twb | eeyore-: well, I told him to use nvidiafb |
| 20:35.28 | eeyore- | twb: whatever for? |
| 20:35.38 | twb | Because it's presumably better than vesafb, or it wouldn't exist. |
| 20:35.41 | eeyore- | twb: using chipset-specific FB drivers loses X |
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| 20:35.47 | twb | eeyore-: no it doesn't. |
| 20:36.00 | eeyore- | twb: loses *accelerated, binary X drivers* |
| 20:36.07 | twb | radeonfb and radeon work perfectly on an rv250, including full 3D acceleration. |
| 20:36.20 | eeyore- | twb: sure it does ... load "radeon.ko" and then load "fglrx.ko" |
| 20:36.21 | twb | If he's using a broken, tainted driver then that's his error. |
| 20:36.32 | jelly | eeyore-: btw, new lilo/grub/kernels (etch+) thankfully work with hex modes: vga=0x307 |
| 20:36.37 | eeyore- | twb: bull. the OSS drivers are nowhere near binary ones at this point |
| 20:36.50 | twb | eeyore-: because you insist on using evil, tainted GPUs |
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| 20:37.14 | eeyore- | jelly: yeah i know, but since vbetest gives you mode in decimal it's easier to add 512 to it :-) |
| 20:37.28 | jelly | eeyore-: meh! |
| 20:37.32 | eeyore- | jelly: otherwise you'd have to convert vbetest's mode to hex, add 0x200 to it, blah, but it's all the same |
| 20:37.45 | MrDomino | Oooooh.... write time. |
| 20:37.48 | twb | eeyore-: you could just use printf for that |
| 20:37.55 | eeyore- | twb: real men use bc |
| 20:38.01 | twb | bc is bloated |
| 20:38.05 | twb | Also infix |
| 20:38.05 | eeyore- | bc; omode=16; 12345 |
| 20:38.09 | eeyore- | uh, obase |
| 20:38.31 | jelly | eeyore-: and I finally got rid of lilo.conf comments like # vga=771 for 1024x768 8bpp |
| 20:38.31 | peterS | that doesn't look easier than printf '%x\n' 12345 |
| 20:38.36 | twb | Does bc even support arbitrary-precision rationals? |
| 20:38.42 | fasta | eeyore-: ok, I broke the console. |
| 20:38.43 | twb | Useless junk |
| 20:38.58 | eeyore- | fasta: how? |
| 20:38.59 | fasta | eeyore-: it now has letters 8cm high |
| 20:39.02 | peterS | twb: what do you mean, rationals? you mean storing them as fractions rather than as floats? |
| 20:39.14 | twb | peterS: that's what an exact rational is. |
| 20:39.26 | peterS | twb: you didn't answer my question. what do you mean, rationals? |
| 20:39.27 | eeyore- | twb: "scale=100000" |
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| 20:39.52 | fasta | eeyore-: I used a vbetool vgamode |
| 20:39.54 | jelly | twb: ever heard of "if you can't say anything good, don't say anything at all"? |
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| 20:40.08 | twb | peterS: a number is rational iff it can be expressed as a ratio of two integers. |
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| 20:40.08 | eeyore- | faste: did you add 512 to it? what's your vga= mode in your kernel boot line? |
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| 20:40.19 | peterS | twb: I know that. so what do you mean about whether bc supports them? |
| 20:40.27 | twb | jelly: either /ignore or !ops me, if you don't like what I say. |
| 20:40.33 | peterS | twb: it would seem fairly obvious that it does. so clearly you're asking something other than what you seem to be asking |
| 20:40.33 | Apachez | http://www.desktoplinux.com/files/article109/debian-24.jpg where can I find the definition of "standard system" in debian ? |
| 20:40.34 | eeyore- | jelly: s'ok, i know he was dropped as a baby :-) |
| 20:40.51 | twb | peterS: I don't use bc, so I don't know. |
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| 20:41.00 | jelly | eeyore-: i was just wondering |
| 20:41.12 | twb | I can't cope with infix calculators. |
| 20:41.13 | MrDomino | Apachez: shows up in aptitude |
| 20:41.15 | fasta | eeyore-: I didn't give it any arguments |
| 20:41.21 | Apachez | MrDomino: how ? |
| 20:41.22 | fasta | eeyore-: and I didn't reboot yet |
| 20:41.37 | MrDomino | aptitude -> tasks |
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| 20:41.39 | fasta | eeyore-: so, the kernel parameters are still 1024x1024 |
| 20:41.42 | peterS | twb: well. bc supports floats, to a specified number of decimal places. I don't know if there is a limit on how many decimal places - i.e., whether it's limited to the OS ABI's concept of a double, or whether it does bignums |
| 20:41.49 | eeyore- | fasta: hmm? did you simply press q to quit vbetest? run it again and this time pick a sane mode :-) |
| 20:41.52 | twb | peterS: that's not arbitrary-precision rationals. |
| 20:41.58 | fasta | eeyore-: the idea was to use that program to determine a value |
| 20:42.06 | twb | peterS: you can't express some numbers in IEEE floating point. |
| 20:42.08 | fasta | eeyore-: I pressed C-c, IIRC. |
| 20:42.08 | peterS | twb: then why don't you start by answering my original question about what you mean by arbitrary-precision rations |
| 20:42.27 | twb | Obviously, an arbitrary-precision rational is a ratio of two arbitrary-precision integers. |
| 20:42.27 | eeyore- | fasta: control-c ... good job :-) didn't you read the nice menu that says "press q to quit"? |
| 20:42.34 | fasta | eeyore-: no |
| 20:42.43 | eeyore- | fasta: aha. well, run it again then. |
| 20:42.57 | eeyore- | fasta: if you quit nicely, it should set video mode to sane value. |
| 20:42.59 | twb | For example, 9!/120! |
| 20:43.16 | MrDomino | twb: or else it's the rational numbered by one arbitrary-precision integer =p |
| 20:43.17 | fasta | twb: 0 |
| 20:43.20 | peterS | twb: bc doesn't present numbers as a ratio, only as a decimal. but what do you mean by arbitrary-precision integer? how can you define the "precision" of an integer? |
| 20:44.13 | twb | Inferior programming languages tend to give up and use inexact floating point arithmetic as soon as you get to integers greater than the underlying architecture's word size. |
| 20:44.13 | peterS | twb: when you say arbitrary-precision integer, do you mean simply integer? |
| 20:44.15 | MrDomino | peterS: he probably means like a bignum |
| 20:44.23 | twb | "Arbitrary precision integer" obviously means you can represent arbitrarily large (or small) integers. |
| 20:44.35 | twb | MrDomino: bignums are merely the most obvious way to implement arbitrary-precision integers. |
| 20:44.44 | MrDomino | twb: hence "like a" bignum |
| 20:44.49 | eeyore- | twb: how many digits of output would you like to see for 9!/120! |
| 20:44.50 | peterS | twb: then why don't you say that? integers don't have a "precision". by using that term you make us think you can't tell the difference between an integer and a float |
| 20:44.54 | twb | MrDomino: Conceded. |
| 20:45.01 | twb | eeyore-: the presentation format is irrelevant. |
| 20:45.08 | eeyore- | two: define fact( ... ) ... ; scale=100000; fact(9)/fact(120) |
| 20:45.27 | twb | peterS: what? |
| 20:45.40 | eeyore- | twb: well of course if you want symbolic manipulation use something else ... |
| 20:45.42 | peterS | twb: by referring to integers as having "precision", you give us the impression that you don't know what you're talking about |
| 20:45.43 | twb | peterS: "arbitrary-precision" arithmetic is standard nomenclature. |
| 20:45.57 | peterS | precision in arithmetic, sure. but integers? |
| 20:45.59 | fasta | eeyore-: I am now running it, but I only see a black screen. |
| 20:46.04 | fasta | eeyore-: I don't see a meny |
| 20:46.04 | twb | peterS: "arbitrary-precision integers" refers to the internal representation, not the ideal. |
| 20:46.09 | fasta | eeyore-: menu |
| 20:46.11 | MrDomino | I've got an idea--how about we stop being pedantic nuts. |
| 20:46.16 | fasta | eeyore-: (just like the first time I ran it) |
| 20:46.41 | peterS | twb: you just got done saying bignums are an unimportant implementation detail. now you want to talk about internal representation. |
| 20:46.41 | twb | MrDomino: that would require a trip to a pharmacy |
| 20:46.49 | eeyore- | fasta: type in blindly "280" (no quote) this is 1024x768 |
| 20:46.59 | twb | peterS: plonk. |
| 20:47.06 | Apachez | hmpf |
| 20:47.18 | fasta | eeyore-: enter? |
| 20:47.18 | peterS | good answer. as I can't think what better one you could have given |
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| 20:47.24 | eeyore- | fasta: yes |
| 20:47.28 | jelly | twb: plonk, indeed. |
| 20:47.35 | Apachez | are there any install instructions somewhere? im looking for that part of diferent chunksizes during partitioning of a harddrive in debian installation |
| 20:47.38 | databuddy | i got ter damn job :> |
| 20:47.39 | fasta | eeyore-: done, no result |
| 20:47.43 | peterS | other than "oh, sorry, I lost track of what I was being pedantic about" |
| 20:47.58 | eeyore- | fasta: errrrrrmmmmmm, you didn't see pretty checkerboard patterns? |
| 20:48.03 | fasta | eeyore-: no |
| 20:48.11 | fasta | eeyore-: maybe it was never implemented ;) |
| 20:48.27 | eeyore- | fasta: weird. it should switch to checkerboard pattern display, rainbow colors, then go back to prompt you for mode |
| 20:48.38 | jelly | peterS: YHBT, IMO. |
| 20:48.43 | eeyore- | fasta: 32-bit OS right? |
| 20:48.43 | fasta | eeyore-: I also have X running, now. |
| 20:48.46 | fasta | eeyore-: right |
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| 20:49.02 | eeyore- | fasta: well, no idea. never happened to me before. yeah, i have X running too. |
| 20:49.04 | twb | My original question was whether bc is support arbitrary precision rationals -- i.e. arbitrary precision rational arithmetic. I apologize if that wasn't OBVIOUS. |
| 20:49.08 | eeyore- | fasta: as root? |
| 20:49.11 | peterS | jelly: well, he had me fooled for a little bit. talked like he knew something of what he was talking about. he's not bad at faking it, I'll give him that |
| 20:49.17 | fasta | eeyore-: I ran it the same. vbetool vgamode |
| 20:49.30 | jelly | peterS: no, the knowledge is there, just misused. |
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| 20:49.31 | eeyore- | databuddy: what job is that? |
| 20:49.35 | fasta | eeyore-: should I run it with different arguments? |
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| 20:49.37 | wfq | hi |
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| 20:49.40 | eeyore- | fasta: huh? no, no argument |
| 20:49.45 | databuddy | eeyore-: a toner place |
| 20:49.57 | databuddy | moar telemarketing - but hey wth i can really use it :) |
| 20:50.00 | wfq | in theory mailx -s test myadress@gmail.com should work, shouldn't it? |
| 20:50.00 | eeyore- | databuddy: don't breathe the toner dust ;-) |
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| 20:50.08 | twb | Implicitly, I was berating bc for (presumably) not implementing exact arithmetic for anything but small integers. |
| 20:50.09 | databuddy | eeyore-: yeah apparently lol |
| 20:50.33 | eeyore- | databuddy: you know, any job nowadays is good ... |
| 20:50.37 | MrDomino | Huh. What mailing list would be appropriate for asking about ext2 internals? |
| 20:50.51 | databuddy | eeyore-: exactly, sir. |
| 20:51.06 | fasta | eeyore-: vbetool gives me "usage: ...." |
| 20:51.13 | eeyore- | MrDomino: none, because you'd be told to just read the kernel source already |
| 20:51.18 | peterS | MrDomino: why not just read the source? there's a great implementation of ext2 available for free in the Linux kernel, source included |
| 20:51.20 | eeyore- | fasta: vbetest<enter> |
| 20:51.32 | MrDomino | Aha. So we're going on the Perl theory here. |
| 20:51.43 | fasta | eeyore-: I don't have that binary |
| 20:51.44 | MrDomino | "there's a fantastic specification. It just happens to be written in C." |
| 20:51.46 | fasta | eeyore-: will install it |
| 20:51.56 | eeyore- | fasta: hmmm? didn't you grab "lrmi" package? |
| 20:52.00 | twb | MrDomino: hehe, FSVO fantastic. |
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| 20:52.25 | fasta | eeyore-: there is no such package |
| 20:52.30 | jelly | MrDomino: like, ext2-devel@lists.sourceforge.net? ext3-users? |
| 20:52.37 | fasta | eeyore-: something else was recommended by aptitude |
| 20:52.40 | eeyore- | fasta: errm, dunno what it's called in debian, lemme check |
| 20:52.44 | MrDomino | jelly: XD |
| 20:52.55 | fasta | eeyore-: apt-file search vbetest also returns nothing |
| 20:53.13 | wfq | in theory mail -s "test" myadress@gmail.com should work, shouldn't it? |
| 20:53.22 | MrDomino | jelly: even just a written spec saying "these bytes are for this" would be spiffy. And I'm sure one exists, but cursory googling hasn't located it. |
| 20:53.24 | Apachez | gah |
| 20:53.25 | jelly | MrDomino: I do bet the -devel list would expect you to have taken a look at the source :-) |
| 20:53.30 | petemc | wfq: if there is a mta configured, yes |
| 20:53.35 | eeyore- | fasta: weird ... |
| 20:53.43 | Apachez | im looking in the install manual for debian and there are no words of chunksize during partitioning |
| 20:54.14 | petemc | wfq: oh, you would need to use ^d to make it send too |
| 20:54.17 | peterS | what do you mean by chunksize? |
| 20:54.25 | peterS | partitions don't have chunks |
| 20:54.30 | eeyore- | fasta: http://sourceforge.net/projects/lrmi/ |
| 20:54.32 | petemc | wfq: echo test | mail -s test user@gmail.com , should work |
| 20:54.39 | jelly | MrDomino: http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/ext2intro.html ? |
| 20:54.53 | Apachez | when you setup a partition in debian during install there is a setting of if the server will be used a regular box, mailserver or server for large files |
| 20:54.54 | wfq | I am doing that exactly |
| 20:54.57 | Apachez | or something like that |
| 20:55.11 | Apachez | the difference is if the partition should use 4kb blocks or not |
| 20:55.11 | petemc | wfq: then check the logs of your mta |
| 20:55.20 | Apachez | but I cannot find the documentation for this online |
| 20:55.32 | MrDomino | jelly: read it, but it doesn't appear to go into as much detail as what bytes do what within inodes. At least not at first glance... |
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| 20:55.43 | MrDomino | er within the superblock |
| 20:55.46 | jelly | MrDomino: i suppose you want the exact superblock specs. UTSL! :-) |
| 20:56.01 | MrDomino | hah |
| 20:56.09 | eeyore- | MrDomino: whoa! you're trying to do something high-powered there buddy? |
| 20:56.12 | fasta | eeyore-: isn't that only a library? |
| 20:56.21 | eeyore- | fasta: no it also has executable |
| 20:56.24 | jelly | eeyore-: wants to make ext2 mountable only ro |
| 20:56.44 | MrDomino | eeyore-: Actually I'm just looking for the write/mount time blocks so I can skip them in a dd used to verify that a file system hasn't changed in any meaningful way |
| 20:57.03 | peterS | MrDomino: no seriously. the superblock specs are in /usr/include/linux/ext2_fs.h. look for the 'struct ext2_super_block' |
| 20:57.18 | MrDomino | peterS: aha. hey, thanks. |
| 20:57.39 | Apachez | so no debian install docs guru in here? :P |
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| 20:57.45 | jelly | whaddayaknow, header files to contain actual structures used?! |
| 20:57.50 | eeyore- | MrDomino: errm |
| 20:57.50 | peterS | MrDomino: you have to figure out what __le32 and __le16 mean, I guess |
| 20:57.59 | eeyore- | MrDomino: dumpe2fs /dev/... | grep "Last mount time:" |
| 20:58.27 | MrDomino | eeyore-: yes, but I only want their on-disk representation |
| 20:58.33 | Apachez | "Typical usage of this partition" |
| 20:58.40 | peterS | MrDomino: you could just reset the last mount time. I think tune2fs can do this |
| 20:58.43 | Apachez | now, where to find the bloody docs for this ? :P |
| 20:58.58 | MrDomino | eeyore-: I could, but last write time is also modified |
| 20:59.10 | MrDomino | And as far as I know tune2fs doesn't touch that |
| 20:59.15 | eeyore- | MrDomino: so what's the general logic is going to be? |
| 20:59.17 | peterS | well, maybe it can't, but it can set most other things in the superblock |
| 20:59.22 | fasta | eeyore-: I will reboot, and hope for it to be gone. |
| 20:59.31 | Apachez | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.35 | Apachez | FINALLY! |
| 20:59.42 | jelly | Apachez: that sounds like mke2fs params |
| 20:59.48 | jelly | ah, you found it |
| 20:59.58 | MrDomino | eeyore-: take all meaningful data in the file system, and compare it to a SHA-512 previously generated. ignore things that might be changed if the fs was automounted on my Ubuntu laptop. |
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| 21:00.04 | Apachez | I guess 4kb is most optimal when dealing with software raid1 right ? |
| 21:00.17 | Apachez | and what is "standard parameters" for ext3 ? |
| 21:00.18 | jelly | Apachez: that's not block size, but number of inodes. |
| 21:00.23 | Apachez | one inode per 512 byters ? |
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| 21:00.33 | Apachez | jelly: which gives ? |
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| 21:01.01 | Azar | hello honorables |
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| 21:01.06 | peterS | Apachez: if you don't know what "number of inodes" means, you should just use the default |
| 21:01.19 | Apachez | peterS: and neither do you ? |
| 21:01.26 | harpal | how can I do remote desktop in Linux, i want to do remote desktop between windows and linux |
| 21:01.34 | peterS | Apachez: of course I do. but if you don't know what an inode is, chances are you don't need to mess with them |
| 21:01.45 | twb | harpal: which end is the server? |
| 21:01.46 | eeyore- | night! |
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| 21:02.19 | Apachez | peterS: then why cant you tell the difference then ? |
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| 21:02.46 | peterS | Apachez: because I don't want to waste my time telling you things you probably won't understand anyway. seriously, if you don't know what an inode is, then the setting in question is way over your head |
| 21:02.50 | MrDomino | Apachez: what he means is that there's really no difference you need to worry about. |
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| 21:02.53 | twb | Apachez: it would take some time to explain what an "inode" is to a neophyte. |
| 21:02.54 | jelly | Apachez: there's a funny function for that, I think on large enough filesystems you get 1 inode per 2 4KiB blocks. so 10GB fs = 1.25M inodes. |
| 21:03.22 | jelly | Apachez: use standard |
| 21:03.22 | peterS | jelly: don't forget to tell him what an inode is. the rest of the information won't be too useful to him otherwise |
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| 21:03.35 | Apachez | MrDomino: if there is not difference, why does this exist in the debian installer then ? |
| 21:03.35 | harpal | twb: I want to do remoted desktop from linux to windows so from windows I can handle Linux desktop |
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| 21:03.52 | MrDomino | Apachez: not a bad question actually |
| 21:04.01 | Apachez | jelly: and what about 500GB filesystems ? |
| 21:04.05 | twb | harpal: for that, use the `rdesktop' program. It has front-ends; tsclient is one IIRC. |
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| 21:04.14 | MrDomino | In cases where it would matter, would you be using the debian installer anyway? |
| 21:04.20 | flami | anyone know a guide how to use parted ? ( no cannot use gparted :( ) |
| 21:04.25 | twb | harpal: you will need to enable the RDP service on Windows; I don't remember how. |
| 21:04.27 | jelly | Apachez: depends entirely on how many files you plan on storing no them. |
| 21:04.28 | peterS | harpal: the usual solution is to download an X server for Windows and run a regular X session - either via xdm or just using ssh -X. that way you get a new login session on your other box, so that your linux box is truly multiuser, not just the same screen shown in two different places |
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| 21:04.45 | MrDomino | Well... scratch that. |
| 21:04.46 | jelly | Apachez: basically, max number of files = number of inodes. |
| 21:04.49 | twb | harpal: oh sorry, I read the question wrong. |
| 21:04.56 | MrDomino | (Need to stop typing while I'm doing other things.) |
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| 21:05.09 | peterS | jelly: he probably wants largefile actually. people who set up 500GB partitions probably use them for large pr0n^H^H^H^Hmultimedia files |
| 21:05.21 | twb | harpal: you either need VNC (cheap, fast and ugly), or to find an X server for Windows (expensive and yuk or free and yuk) |
| 21:05.23 | Apachez | jelly: but wouldnt it then be more healthy on a raid1 system to use inode = blocksize ? |
| 21:05.30 | cafuego | peterS: largefile, sparse_superblock, dir_index |
| 21:05.32 | jelly | peterS: I bet he runs a usenet server instead! :-) |
| 21:05.37 | peterS | jelly: oh right |
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| 21:05.41 | vandle | Yo, my mouse is acting weird |
| 21:05.46 | twb | harpal: obviously you can also use text and "web" interfaces. |
| 21:05.49 | vandle | I have to click extra hard with the left mouse button |
| 21:05.55 | peterS | twb: xorg for windows is still yuk? I thought perhaps they'd have polished it a bit over the years |
| 21:06.01 | vandle | Anyone ever run into something like that? |
| 21:06.05 | twb | peterS: I may be out of date. |
| 21:06.17 | peterS | vandle: I doubt the problem has anything to do with Debian |
| 21:06.22 | Apachez | peterS: will be database and searchengine, so yeah.. porno :P |
| 21:06.28 | twb | Last I heard you could either use Cygwin or pay like $30 per arse for a commercial version |
| 21:06.31 | cafuego | twb: don't you use scary things like emacs and lynx? |
| 21:06.40 | jelly | Apachez: no. how many files are you planning to use? will you care if you can't store any more files, even if there's free space left on the partition? |
| 21:06.41 | twb | cafuego: no, I use Emacs for web browsing. |
| 21:06.42 | petemc | nx works well for me |
| 21:06.43 | vandle | peterS, then what? |
| 21:06.46 | cafuego | heh |
| 21:06.54 | peterS | vandle: then it's not really a question we can answer |
| 21:06.54 | MrDomino | vandle: a while ago. Gum inside the mouse. I've wondered about it since. |
| 21:07.06 | twb | MrDomino: feed it some ipecac |
| 21:07.16 | cafuego | vandle: Open up the mouse, clean it. |
| 21:07.16 | vandle | peterS, so you know absolutely nothing about computers but Debian? |
| 21:07.21 | twb | MrDomino: or are you only finding this out in post-mortem? |
| 21:07.26 | harpal | twb: thanx |
| 21:07.26 | vandle | thanks cafuego |
| 21:07.29 | peterS | vandle: we know many things. we don't generally talk about them in #debian. |
| 21:07.32 | Apachez | jelly: will be not many more than default install |
| 21:07.32 | jelly | Apachez: unless your db uses a peculiarly large number of small files, you'll be ok with standard |
| 21:07.39 | Apachez | so I dunno... say 1 million files or so ? |
| 21:07.45 | MrDomino | twb: wasn't even my mouse. x.x |
| 21:07.51 | jelly | Apachez: default install of which db? |
| 21:07.54 | peterS | vandle: so when you talk to people in #debian, it's best to assume we know nothing except what concerns Debian |
| 21:07.55 | vandle | perhaps you shouldn't care so much about adhering to such strict guielines |
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| 21:08.12 | Apachez | jelly: default install of debian (think lamp) and then a bunch of db's |
| 21:08.27 | lolcats | aaaaugh i still cant get my touchpad configured totally |
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| 21:08.49 | twb | Grumble. postgres does not start with `m'. |
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| 21:09.02 | jelly | Apachez: bunch = 10,000s ? |
| 21:09.07 | Apachez | http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=29454 |
| 21:09.09 | twb | And smalltalk and factor don't start with `p'... |
| 21:09.16 | Apachez | jelly: say 1 million files then... |
| 21:09.32 | jelly | Apachez: mysql will be using MyISAM, InnoDB, something else? |
| 21:09.34 | Apachez | so just 500GB / 1 million = size of inodes ? :P |
| 21:09.54 | jelly | Apachez: it's not the size of inodes, it's their number. |
| 21:09.55 | Apachez | 500 000 bytes per inode :P |
| 21:10.01 | peterS | Apachez: the size of an inode is fixed by the filesystem implementation. ignore it, it doesn't concern you |
| 21:10.07 | Apachez | jelly: which gives the size |
| 21:10.14 | Apachez | largefile4 is 4 meg per inode |
| 21:10.22 | ypsami | Is it possible to use sid packaged with etch? |
| 21:10.22 | Apachez | 500gb/4meg = number of inodes |
| 21:10.27 | twb | Apachez: IMO, if you aren't going to profile different settings against your specific applications, don't fuck with the default settings. |
| 21:10.36 | Apachez | 500gb/number of inodes = size per inode |
| 21:10.36 | twb | ypsami: yes. |
| 21:10.45 | jelly | Apachez: no, it is a ratio. "how many inodes to reserve, based on device size" |
| 21:11.05 | wfq | can I in bash do a script to query the database? |
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| 21:11.20 | twb | wfq: presumably. |
| 21:11.22 | peterS | someone set up us the database |
| 21:11.59 | wfq | twb, can you supply me an url where someone speaks how to do it. I have no idea. |
| 21:12.04 | twb | wfq: for example, debconf-get-selections | grep ^d-i |
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| 21:12.24 | rapsys | hi |
| 21:12.34 | jelly | Apachez: since you're planning to throw all on a huge 500GB filesystem, that it'll be less optimal in its inode number is less significant anyway |
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| 21:12.37 | rapsys | i am looking for a 8port sata raid5 card |
| 21:12.50 | twb | rapsys: we don't have any, sorry. |
| 21:12.51 | rapsys | any good model supported under latest stable ? |
| 21:12.56 | ypsami | twb: So I just add the sid repo to my sources.list and then apt-get install ? |
| 21:13.06 | twb | ypsami: I would not advise that. |
| 21:13.18 | rapsys | i mean a product reference to look for |
| 21:13.19 | Apachez | okidoki |
| 21:13.20 | twb | ypsami: try /msg dpkg backport |
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| 21:13.30 | Apachez | how can I find out blocksize of a partition? |
| 21:13.33 | Apachez | tune2fs -l ? |
| 21:13.40 | ypsami | twb: excellent, thanks |
| 21:13.54 | karsten | Apachez: dump2fs possibly. |
| 21:14.01 | jelly | Apachez: dumpe2fs -h /dev/sdh1 | less |
| 21:14.07 | twb | For physical partitions in a disk label, you could use parted. |
| 21:14.14 | karsten | Apachez: yeah. |
| 21:14.15 | jelly | not sure where it is in the output |
| 21:14.22 | peterS | rapsys: anything from 3ware tends to be well supported. I don't know if they have 8-port sata, but they probably do. however, when you start talking about 8 disks, it starts making less sense to store them inside your computer case and more sense to buy an external raid enclosure. |
| 21:14.28 | karsten | Apachez: 'Block size:' is what you're looking for. |
| 21:15.03 | Apachez | Filesystem features: has_journal resize_inode dir_index filetype needs_reco very sparse_super large_file |
| 21:15.03 | Apachez | Filesystem flags: signed directory hash |
| 21:15.05 | peterS | let me guess. now Apachez is convinced he should be messing with the block size, too |
| 21:15.12 | rapsys | peterS: a model/reference for that external raid enclosure ? |
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| 21:15.22 | Apachez | peterS: naaa : |
| 21:15.23 | Apachez | :) |
| 21:15.34 | jelly | Apachez: feed the pig, don't touch anything |
| 21:15.36 | Apachez | but I have the oportunity to screw up a box here :P |
| 21:15.58 | Apachez | but it seems that etch now have decent default values |
| 21:16.02 | peterS | rapsys: they all work. the way an external raid enclosure works is, it presents one or more "disks" to the SCSI port on the back of your computer. so if your SCSI card is supported by the OS (and they pretty much all are, by Linux), you're fine |
| 21:16.12 | Apachez | but I was thinking of if I could tweak it somehow |
| 21:16.17 | Apachez | one thing is for example noaccesstime |
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| 21:16.24 | jelly | Apachez: that's a mount time option. |
| 21:16.25 | Apachez | not that big tweak but still |
| 21:16.33 | Apachez | jelly: sure |
| 21:16.37 | Apachez | jelly: but still a "tweak" |
| 21:16.40 | peterS | noatime is something that is easy to add later if you suddenly decide you don't want atime |
| 21:16.52 | peterS | you don't have to decide on that at install time |
| 21:17.02 | Apachez | no but you can |
| 21:17.06 | rapsys | peterS: i don't whant to build a high speed scsi raid block |
| 21:17.07 | Apachez | which is good by the installer |
| 21:17.14 | Danet | Are there are minimal MTAs for just local mail (cron, system alerts, etc.)? |
| 21:17.21 | rapsys | peterS: i whant to build a 8sata disk raid5 system |
| 21:17.31 | petemc | Danet: nullmailer, ssmtp |
| 21:17.33 | Apachez | rapsys: using mdadm ? |
| 21:17.34 | rapsys | peterS: it will be used mostly for storage |
| 21:17.41 | Danet | petemc: thanks, I'll check them out |
| 21:17.43 | peterS | rapsys: I'm just saying, by the time you're talking about supplying power, cooling and space inside your computer case for 8 extra hard drives, sometimes it's just easier to use an external enclosure |
| 21:17.44 | Apachez | why not raid6 ? |
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| 21:17.55 | Apachez | raid5 with 8 disks feels a bit shaky |
| 21:18.11 | rapsys | peterS: i don't say the oposite |
| 21:18.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | !debian-multimedia.etch |
| 21:18.16 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root) |
| 21:18.23 | rapsys | peterS: any mode for sata disk you know about ? |
| 21:18.23 | puff | krazykit: Btw, if you care, according to a hardware hacker friend of mine, the buffalo routers underform particularly in encryption-related stuff. |
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| 21:18.30 | jelly | !raid5 |
| 21:18.30 | dpkg | -- I heard raid5 is see raid or http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/markeditorial.html?prodkey=quick_explanation_of_raid -- also see http://www.acnc.com/04_01_05.html and click the various levels (0 ... 50, 0+1) on the page's RAID LEVEL: bar |
| 21:18.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | !apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 21:18.44 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 21:18.46 | peterS | rapsys: I don't know much about sata, honestly. but lots of vendors sell sata raid enclosures that plug into a scsi port |
| 21:18.48 | jelly | what, no BAARF link |
| 21:18.52 | rapsys | thx jelly |
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| 21:19.14 | Apachez | just make sure what kind of sata they sell |
| 21:19.20 | jelly | rapsys: uh, that wasn't meant for you, sorry |
| 21:19.34 | Apachez | I mean if you buy it and hope to have some sort of hardware raid |
| 21:19.40 | puff | Btw, if I have a box with two identical 300GB drives, one of which is being used for everything and the other is mounted but otherwise unused, what's the easiest way to mirror the first drive to the second drive in such a way that I can easily switch to using the second drive? |
| 21:19.59 | Apachez | puff: dd ? :P |
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| 21:20.05 | Danet | petemc: I meant a daemon like postfix, but one that was only for mail coming from and to localhost. I know postfix can be configured to do this, I was just wondering if there was a package with only that purpose. |
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| 21:20.17 | peterS | puff: I'd just "cp /dev/sda /dev/sdb" or whatever. the end result will need to be 'fsck'd at boot time, but it will otherwise be fine |
| 21:20.27 | Apachez | Danet: you mean like a postfix lite ? |
| 21:20.35 | ypsami | twb: With backports, a backported package must be created, right? |
| 21:20.54 | peterS | puff: oh yeah, you do want to unmount any filesystems on /dev/sdb, first |
| 21:20.56 | jelly | puff: 1. umount the latter. 2. clone the partition table. 3. set up md-based raid1 per each partition 4. install grub on the second disk (this part is a bit tricky) |
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| 21:21.09 | Danet | Apachez: yea (though not neccessarily postfix) |
| 21:21.09 | peterS | jelly: my way is easier (: |
| 21:21.33 | Danet | Apachez: it doesn't matter much, postfix does what I want (but a little more too) |
| 21:21.52 | jelly | peterS: um, "easily switch" hopefully means "without losing any data since the last dd" |
| 21:21.53 | twb | peterS: would cp work? I'd default to dd. |
| 21:22.07 | peterS | twb: why wouldn't cp work? it is just like dd except somewhat more efficient |
| 21:22.08 | jelly | missed the smiley |
| 21:22.19 | puff | Are there any standard solutions/approaches for this general class of problem? E.g. I'm doing this one after the fact, but if I were to set up another box and I wanted to minimize downtime, is there a generally accepted "right way"? |
| 21:22.25 | twb | I'd expect cp to copy the device file, not the data it refers to. |
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| 21:22.31 | peterS | you should try it sometimes |
| 21:22.35 | twb | That's how tar would work, for example. |
| 21:22.35 | peterS | sometime, I mean |
| 21:22.35 | jelly | peterS: left-faced smileys are hard to parse :-) |
| 21:22.47 | peterS | cp just opens the destination file for writing, and writes data to it |
| 21:23.01 | peterS | if the destination happens to be a device node, it gets written to |
| 21:23.03 | Apachez | are there any tweaks which can be implemented when using software raid1 in debian/linux ? |
| 21:23.11 | dondelelcaro | so long as you're not using -r |
| 21:23.13 | twb | peterS: perhaps it's just because I *always* use -a. |
| 21:23.23 | peterS | twb: yeah, well, I guess there's a reason I didn't specify -a (: |
| 21:23.27 | jelly | Apachez: you're all about tweaks! |
| 21:23.31 | dondelelcaro | yeah, when using cp -a, you have to use --copy-contents |
| 21:23.33 | Apachez | jelly :) |
| 21:23.48 | Apachez | jelly: I just want peterS to BAARF :P |
| 21:23.48 | puff | What's the deal about cp -a? |
| 21:23.52 | Azar | jelly: maybe peterS is typing with the left hand only |
| 21:24.01 | twb | puff: it adds sparkly lights when you copy |
| 21:24.07 | puff | That is, I know cp -a, I'm just missing the subtler issues you seem to be alluding ot. |
| 21:24.08 | twb | Like in sailor moon |
| 21:24.16 | jelly | Apachez: you're using commodity SATA disks, not expect fabulous performance ffs |
| 21:24.17 | puff | to. |
| 21:24.24 | puff | twb: da blinkenlights? |
| 21:24.28 | puff | twb: das blinkenlights? |
| 21:24.48 | puff | dammit, need to work on my typing skills. |
| 21:24.52 | twb | no sprachen die deutsche |
| 21:24.53 | Azar | mannn, Stallman IS a heavyweight walker... he shook Peru to a size of 8 |
| 21:25.03 | Apachez | jelly: WD RE2 yes |
| 21:25.20 | Apachez | according to wd they are "RAID optimized" (wtf that means :P) |
| 21:25.38 | puff | I keep meaning to stage a pro-wrestling bout at one of the conferences we keep having here. |
| 21:25.39 | twb | Apachez: it means they sometimes aren't broken when you unwrap them |
| 21:25.39 | jelly | Apachez: woohoo. |
| 21:25.42 | Apachez | on the other hand they have 5 year warranty (compared to 3 year from other vendors) |
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| 21:25.51 | puff | Between Stallman and Perens, maybe. |
| 21:25.54 | jelly | Apachez: seagate gives 5yr |
| 21:26.04 | Apachez | jelly: only on the ES series |
| 21:26.06 | ypsami | Alright, so if I want to install the nginx package from lenny, on etch, I would achieve this through a backport? Does this mean a backport must be created first? If so, is there a way to install the nginx package from lenny on etch another way? |
| 21:26.14 | twb | I kinda suspect the number of failures between the third and fifth year are relatively negligible |
| 21:26.25 | ypsami | the only difference between the etch and lenny versions, are the configuration options |
| 21:26.31 | Apachez | MTBF > 1.2 million hours |
| 21:26.34 | twb | Since a lot of people have 3-year replacement cycles anyway |
| 21:26.36 | jelly | Apachez: dunno, I bought a plain 200GB barracuda, 5yr warranty |
| 21:26.51 | Apachez | 137 years (yeah right =) |
| 21:26.53 | puff | We'd put "Stallman debates Perens on free software vs. open source" on the schedule. Then people would show up and pro wrestlers dressed as Stallman and Perens, complete with scripting, would go at it on stage. |
| 21:27.14 | twb | puff: I would get behind that |
| 21:27.22 | jelly | Apachez: "recent google study shows MTBF specs are not relevant to real world disk failure" |
| 21:27.22 | Azar | hahahahahahahaaa!! |
| 21:27.23 | twb | puff: where do I sign up |
| 21:27.23 | Apachez | jelly: the box I am about to exchange is a dell workstation 400 dual p2 333 (originally 233) which is 9 year and 9 months old by now :P |
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| 21:27.47 | Apachez | http://www.tbg.nu/pics/tbgserver2.png =) |
| 21:27.48 | peterS | jelly: ahh yes, referenced from val's recent lwn article. fascinating stuff |
| 21:27.58 | twb | jelly: google conduct research into things not directly related to Echelon IV? |
| 21:28.04 | puff | My initial idea was to actually have Stallman and Perens (or whoever) do it, but I decided it'd be too hard to teach them the moves. |
| 21:28.11 | puff | Though I think that would be ridiculously awesome. |
| 21:28.28 | jelly | peterS: now I'm imagining you with Spock ears. Fascinating. |
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| 21:28.38 | Azar | s |
| 21:28.46 | Azar | Spock? mister Spock!! |
| 21:28.49 | peterS | jelly: I don't think I get the spock ears thing |
| 21:28.57 | puff | hm... I wonder if I could convince the Colbert Report to invite Jesse Ventura on the show and do something similar :-). |
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| 21:29.05 | peterS | jelly: also, I like to think of them as legolas ears |
| 21:29.16 | ixion_uk | with my iptables... if I close a port down it doesnt take effect immediately; it only applies the next time a session is built. Is there something I can set so that iptables closes down the port immediately ? |
| 21:29.17 | Apachez | Lego Lars ? |
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| 21:29.42 | jelly | peterS: but he didn't have the thoughtful "Fascinating." thing |
| 21:29.44 | petemc | ixion_uk: session? |
| 21:29.55 | Apachez | ixion_uk: put a rule before any of your established rule |
| 21:30.00 | Apachez | which will drop the packet |
| 21:30.00 | twb | Apachez: give me a couple of years, and I'll hit you with the Tengwar rendition |
| 21:30.14 | ixion_uk | Apachez: I want this to apply to any rule I add |
| 21:30.14 | twb | Stupid conflicting unicode allocations :-/ |
| 21:30.20 | ixion_uk | Apachez: or change |
| 21:30.23 | peterS | twb: do you have an appropriate font installed? |
| 21:30.23 | vandle | cafuego, that fixed it :) |
| 21:30.28 | Apachez | ixion_uk: shutdown -r now ? ;) |
| 21:30.32 | ixion_uk | lol |
| 21:30.39 | twb | peterS: who cares? The point is to be silly and confusing. |
| 21:30.49 | Azar | hey a recusive shutdown... never tried... |
| 21:31.01 | twb | I hit people with kana and hangul even when I don't have the fonts installed. |
| 21:31.13 | ixion_uk | it used to do this... i.e close down the port immediately and not serve open/established sessions... but that was like years ago the last time I was playing with this stuff |
| 21:31.31 | twb | オãƒãƒ¨ã‚¦ï¼Ÿ |
| 21:31.43 | peterS | if you can read and write katakana and hangul, why wouldn't you have fonts installed to make use of this? |
| 21:31.49 | Azar | eckkk, ich habe nicht utf8 |
| 21:31.55 | peterS | I mean, if I could, I would |
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| 21:32.10 | twb | peterS: so I can recognize that it *is* kana, and ask the japanese speaker next to me. |
| 21:32.21 | twb | I can read hangul, a bit. |
| 21:33.00 | peterS | they say korean isn't all that hard of a language for westerners to learn. I haven't had an occasion to find out, though |
| 21:33.52 | Azar | which internet? hehehe weekly fun |
| 21:33.55 | Azar | http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/That-Internet-Over-There.aspx |
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| 21:37.00 | Techie-Micheal | Has anybody seen something like this? |
| 21:37.01 | Techie-Micheal | Access: 2007-08-17 18:05:15.000000000 +0000 |
| 21:37.01 | Techie-Micheal | Modify: 1940-10-24 02:26:18.000000000 +0000 |
| 21:37.01 | Techie-Micheal | Change: 2006-06-16 01:57:16.000000000 +0000 |
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| 21:37.12 | Techie-Micheal | 3 lines. @_@ >_< |
| 21:37.35 | jelly | Techie-Micheal: which filesystem is this on? |
| 21:37.41 | Techie-Micheal | ext3 |
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| 21:38.37 | Techie-Micheal | Yeah, me neither. |
| 21:38.43 | Techie-Micheal | 2 files in my /home have this. |
| 21:39.05 | Techie-Micheal | Creates issues with backups. :P I can do a touch on them, but I'm kinda curious as to what's going on. |
| 21:39.24 | Apachez | 1940 ? |
| 21:39.26 | Techie-Micheal | Yes. |
| 21:39.26 | Apachez | are you a nazi or something ? |
| 21:39.30 | troubled | Techie-Micheal: what does ls report? |
| 21:39.48 | Techie-Micheal | Apachez: o_O |
| 21:39.54 | Techie-Micheal | troubled: hm? |
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| 21:40.02 | Apachez | one idea might be bad sectors on the harddrive |
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| 21:40.12 | Apachez | the bits storing the date got bad |
| 21:40.18 | zamuro | a live Godwin's law application |
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| 21:40.33 | Techie-Micheal | Hm. If that's the case, the server is being decommissioned anyway. :P |
| 21:40.47 | troubled | Techie-Micheal: sorry, wasnt sure what program you were using to get that list |
| 21:40.55 | Techie-Micheal | Oh, stat |
| 21:40.59 | troubled | ahh k |
| 21:41.38 | troubled | Techie-Micheal: curious, does ls report the same values? |
| 21:41.47 | jelly | troubled: stat(1) is a wrapper around stat(2) ;-) |
| 21:41.53 | jelly | unlikely as it may seem |
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| 21:42.00 | troubled | jelly: and let me guess what call ls uses ;/ |
| 21:42.17 | jelly | troubled: um... lstat? |
| 21:42.32 | troubled | jelly: was just curious if it could have been a issue with stat rather than fs |
| 21:42.51 | jelly | nah, stat stats just fine |
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| 21:43.34 | troubled | wth gave him a date pre-epoch then? |
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| 21:43.54 | Apachez | it looped ? :P |
| 21:44.00 | mikeal | where do i get a minimal iso installer image for 4.0r1 |
| 21:44.04 | mikeal | the stable links are still to r0 |
| 21:44.06 | Apachez | or the clock was incorrec during install? |
| 21:44.06 | jelly | I have a dumb BIOS that resets itself to 1980-01-04, but 1940 is weird |
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| 21:44.12 | Apachez | mikeal: www.debian.org |
| 21:44.19 | Apachez | ohh |
| 21:44.23 | mikeal | Apachez: hehe, i've spent 15 minutes looking |
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| 21:44.28 | Apachez | why not just do apt-get dist-upgrade after the install ? |
| 21:44.32 | troubled | Apachez: its still likea decade or two off |
| 21:44.58 | mikeal | Apachez: yeah, that'll be fine, i should have thought of that :) |
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| 21:45.39 | Apachez | of course you should |
| 21:45.41 | Apachez | shame on joo |
| 21:45.46 | harpal | in Debian 3.1 we have resolv.conf file in /etc directory but In 4.0 its not there? |
| 21:46.22 | streuner | sure, it is |
| 21:46.23 | petemc | harpal: it should be |
| 21:46.34 | petemc | i think i recall ubuntu not having one there.. |
| 21:46.35 | Apachez | I have one resolv.conf in mine |
| 21:47.00 | harpal | I dont have resolv.conf there, should I create one |
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| 21:47.32 | troubled | Techie-Micheal: you on alpha hardware by chance? |
| 21:47.34 | streuner | if you want DNS, yes |
| 21:47.38 | Davidovich | apt-get -t etch-backports install gnome is this the good way to install pidgin? |
| 21:47.52 | Techie-Micheal | troubled: No, P4 |
| 21:47.53 | jelly | Techie-Micheal: your date, if we swap the most significant bit in a 32bit time_t, equals Sat Jan 19 01:14:08 2008 UTC ... does that make any sense? |
| 21:47.56 | Techie-Micheal | So x86 |
| 21:47.57 | Techie-Micheal | :P |
| 21:48.13 | Davidovich | apt-get -t etch-backports install pidgin |
| 21:48.39 | troubled | Techie-Micheal: well, was thinking hwclock --getepoch, but that seems to not matter on non alphas :( |
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| 21:49.23 | harpal | I have created one and its working |
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| 21:51.42 | Techie-Micheal | troubled: Interesting. Like I said, I can do a touch on it, but I just thought it really weird that two text files have that (and are screwing up my backsup >_<) |
| 21:52.00 | Techie-Micheal | errr, backups. :P |
| 21:52.30 | troubled | Techie-Micheal: odd, i can set a file access time via touch to as low as 1902-01-01 here, ye nothing lower |
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| 21:53.13 | Techie-Micheal | *hears twilight zone music playing* hehe. |
| 21:53.14 | Davidovich | 90% |
| 21:53.17 | troubled | methinks time is more than 32bit or epoch if way fubar or fs stores time by other means |
| 21:53.28 | Davidovich | 95% |
| 21:53.46 | Davidovich | 99% |
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| 21:54.20 | Davidovich | installing... |
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| 21:55.23 | ixion_uk | hello ? |
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| 21:55.31 | Davidovich | installing... |
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| 21:55.46 | jelly | troubled: perl -e 'print scalar localtime(0x80000000)' |
| 21:55.46 | Davidovich | restart... |
| 21:56.19 | troubled | jelly: is that the lowest it can go? |
| 21:56.28 | jelly | troubled: time_t is 32bit, signed: therefore, ya, that's it |
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| 21:57.05 | schmick | Anyone know about formatting / mounting / or whatever ... on a usb flash-drive? |
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| 21:57.26 | jelly | sorry, no files created before Dec 13, 1901 |
| 21:57.27 | Techie-Micheal | Thanks for the help guys, touch slapped it back in to place. :) |
| 21:57.27 | dogmeat | how do i format a floppy? |
| 21:57.39 | Kevin` | dogmeat low level, or filesystem |
| 21:57.51 | troubled | jelly: cool. but what about epoch then? |
| 21:57.54 | dogmeat | low level ? |
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| 21:58.17 | Techie-Micheal | dogmeat: "recutting" the sectors. |
| 21:58.25 | jelly | troubled: epoch is zero |
| 21:58.48 | jpin | Hi, how can one get the current thread id? |
| 21:59.02 | jelly | dogmeat: format + create a fat system: superformat /dev/fd0u1440, package fdutils |
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| 21:59.20 | troubled | jelly: oh sorry, didnt catch the "signed". so it goes both ways. didnt know that |
| 22:00.01 | jelly | troubled: hopefully we'll get a 64bit time_t before 2038. |
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| 22:01.00 | troubled | jelly: surely it will be old farts like us fixing 30 year old, still functioning debian boxen running critical infratruture ;P |
| 22:01.07 | dogmeat | jelly, thanks |
| 22:01.23 | troubled | infrastructure* |
| 22:01.57 | ixion_uk | apt communicates over http right ? |
| 22:02.01 | |muelli| | hi folks. Can I make apt ignore a single package? My situation is, that apt-get install cryptsetup fails, because it has no repository containing it. But I have it installed manually. So I don't want apt to whine about this package which it can't install... |
| 22:02.06 | troubled | jelly: question, why signed rather than unsigned? if nothing should exist past epoch, why allow anything past it? |
| 22:02.15 | twb | ixion_uk: apt communicates over whatever you want |
| 22:02.19 | \amethyst | |muelli|: look at the package "equivs" |
| 22:02.23 | ixion_uk | twb: be default ? |
| 22:02.25 | ixion_uk | by |
| 22:02.37 | twb | By default it uses the local VFS and HTTP |
| 22:02.44 | ixion_uk | k, thanks |
| 22:02.54 | jelly | troubled: probably a history of unix would explain it |
| 22:03.11 | \amethyst | |muelli|: it will let you create a dummy package to provide the cryptsetup dependency |
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| 22:03.45 | |muelli| | \amethyst: sounds good. I'm just looking for documentation |
| 22:03.56 | twb | troubled: IME critical infrastructure isn't allowed to run Debian, because that would MAKE SENSE |
| 22:04.01 | jelly | troubled: think #typedef time_t long :-) |
| 22:04.22 | troubled | jelly: luv you long time_t? |
| 22:04.30 | troubled | heh, srry ;p |
| 22:04.32 | jelly | <3 |
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| 22:04.47 | Techie-Micheal | troubled: That was bad. :P |
| 22:04.52 | kyevan | Huh, does debian not have hawknl packages? |
| 22:05.02 | troubled | Techie-Micheal: :) |
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| 22:05.24 | foo | Anything that shows me the filesystem of a partition? |
| 22:05.41 | jelly | kyevan: no dutch hawks in debian |
| 22:05.53 | ixion_uk | foo fdisk |
| 22:05.58 | \amethyst | |muelli|: look in /usr/share/doc/equivs/, including the examples/ subdirectory |
| 22:06.23 | kyevan | jelly: >_> |
| 22:06.55 | twb | Just do equivs-setup and it creates an example |
| 22:06.59 | ixion_uk | anyone know a repo out there with openvz on it ? |
| 22:07.15 | pseubodot | anybody know how I can blacklist a module at boot time? |
| 22:07.28 | foo | ixion_uk: What params? I can't see it |
| 22:07.39 | ixion_uk | just go into fdisk and press ? |
| 22:07.49 | ixion_uk | its quite intuitive |
| 22:07.52 | kyevan | No wonder there's no ufo2k packages... |
| 22:07.55 | pseubodot | I have a scsi card that is causing problems, and I need to boot off of another device. |
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| 22:09.14 | jelly | kyevan: what is that thing anyway? |
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| 22:11.11 | stoned | its peanut butter jelly time, peanut butter jelly time, wheyoo at, wheyoo at, peanut butter jelly, peanut butter jelly, peanutbutterjelly, peanutbutterjelly, peanutbutterjelly with a baseball bat |
| 22:11.24 | jelly | stoned: and spam. |
| 22:11.28 | kyevan | jelly: HawkNL = networking library, ufo2000 = 2 player xcom clone |
| 22:11.31 | stoned | green eggs |
| 22:11.32 | stoned | :) |
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| 22:11.40 | syntux | anyone here uses Debian VPS ? |
| 22:12.28 | jelly | kyevan: eh, I loved Laser Squad on C64. |
| 22:12.54 | stoned | good stuff |
| 22:13.05 | stoned | there was this one rgp game on c64 |
| 22:13.09 | stoned | The Last Ninja |
| 22:13.14 | stoned | man that game was the freakin bomb |
| 22:13.15 | jelly | kyevan: that's where X-Com get the turn based play from, if you wonder |
| 22:13.32 | stoned | and Kung Fu |
| 22:13.51 | jelly | stoned: there's walkthroughs for all three Last Ninjas on you tube. Good music. |
| 22:14.05 | kyevan | jelly: Laser Squad is basicly X-Com -1 >_> |
| 22:14.06 | foo | ixion_uk: ? |
| 22:14.23 | stoned | jelly: AH! you know of it |
| 22:14.29 | stoned | sweet |
| 22:14.43 | jelly | stoned: I hang on the c64 remix channel on efnet |
| 22:14.50 | stoned | nice |
| 22:14.55 | foo | /dev/sda1 1 48 385528+ 83 Linux |
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| 22:14.57 | JosefAssad | hi |
| 22:14.58 | foo | Is that a very small partition? |
| 22:15.01 | foo | 1 to 48? |
| 22:15.04 | stoned | lol |
| 22:15.14 | |muelli| | \amethyst: do you know whether I can give version information? like I want to provide version 1.0.5 instead of 1.0 what seems to be the default |
| 22:15.17 | JosefAssad | I have a problem with wireless after an aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 22:15.17 | jelly | stoned: there's basically a community around making arrangements out of C64 music |
| 22:15.25 | stoned | did not know that |
| 22:15.34 | jelly | stoned: live concerts, stuff |
| 22:15.34 | JosefAssad | ipw2200: ipw2200-bss.fw request_firmware failed: Reason -2 |
| 22:15.35 | JosefAssad | ipw2200: Unable to load firmware: -2 |
| 22:15.42 | stoned | live concerts? |
| 22:15.43 | stoned | wow |
| 22:15.54 | JosefAssad | and my ipw2200 firmware _is_ in /lib/firmware/ |
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| 22:16.57 | jelly | stoned: http://remix.kwed.org/ -- free remixes. http://slayradio.org/ -- shoutcast stream. There are live-dj shows. http://c64audio.com/ -- commercial remixes |
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| 22:17.58 | JosefAssad | any ideas on how to troubleshoot this? |
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| 22:18.14 | stoned | omg |
| 22:18.19 | stoned | that brings back so many childhood memories |
| 22:18.21 | stoned | hahaha |
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| 22:18.28 | stoned | jelly: its peanut butter jelly time |
| 22:18.31 | stoned | :) |
| 22:18.45 | stoned | jelly: you like Family Guy? |
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| 22:19.10 | jelly | stoned: don't have the relevant channel available |
| 22:19.14 | stoned | hey i know java/limewire is like 32bit... but |
| 22:19.19 | pablo_ | hi, how can i remove nonfree firmware from my debian? |
| 22:19.19 | stoned | what about frostwire? |
| 22:19.26 | stoned | oh wait |
| 22:19.31 | stoned | they gotta have a channel here |
| 22:19.32 | twb | pablo_: with great difficulty |
| 22:19.34 | stoned | #frostwire |
| 22:19.35 | stoned | er. |
| 22:19.42 | twb | pablo_: check out gnewsense |
| 22:19.48 | stoned | nope |
| 22:19.56 | twb | I think the bastards are in bed with Ubuntu tho |
| 22:19.58 | stoned | that sucks |
| 22:20.06 | pablo_ | twb: you use that distro? |
| 22:20.13 | stoned | ok, so I can't find out, but does anyone know if frostwire/limewire work with amd64? |
| 22:20.20 | twb | pablo_: no, but they are basically dedicated to removing all non-Free content. |
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| 22:20.44 | pablo_ | twb: ok i will check that |
| 22:20.54 | twb | Etch includes arguably non-Free code in the linux kernels in the `main' branch |
| 22:21.44 | twb | It was decided, IIRC, that it was better to get Etch out the door than spend months removing the firmware, because other important (Free) stuff assumed the non-Free bits were there. |
| 22:22.13 | pablo_ | twb: i use lenny with the main branch, it still has nonfree firmware right? |
| 22:22.19 | twb | Probably |
| 22:22.22 | DavidProck1981 | so xorg is updated now? |
| 22:22.30 | foo | http://x02.ath.cx/temp/mount-errors.txt - I get these errors when trying to mount a partition. Any ideas? I am not familiar with the drive, just trying to mount it. Thanks |
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| 22:22.51 | twb | I think the linux group care more about making things work than making things work Freely or well. |
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| 22:23.43 | twb | I hear they recently dropped their devel branch and started putting beta code in the "stable" branch |
| 22:24.38 | DavidProck1981 | foo:. just guessing maby you are tring to mount the partition as the wrond type? |
| 22:24.38 | petemc | twb: linus has said hes a pragmatist, and the changed development model has been discussed in depth |
| 22:24.56 | foo | DavidProck1981: Possibly, if so, then how do I find out the correct type? |
| 22:25.10 | DavidProck1981 | what type is hte partition |
| 22:25.29 | foo | DavidProck1981: I don't know |
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| 22:26.30 | DavidProck1981 | i thinking it is fat, tri #mount /dev/sdb1 /path/to/mount |
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| 22:27.21 | stoned | jelly: that site is great |
| 22:28.19 | foo | DavidProck1981: It's probably not, it's from a NAS. Not to mention I've tried that ;) |
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| 22:29.00 | DavidProck1981 | NAS? |
| 22:29.00 | JosefAssad | gah |
| 22:29.14 | capiira | hi all anyone know if there is a way to mount a dm-crypted partition while installing debian? |
| 22:29.58 | foo | DavidProck1981: Network Attached Storage... |
| 22:30.04 | DavidProck1981 | ahh |
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| 22:30.26 | petemc | foo: is it not likely to be part of a raid set? |
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| 22:30.31 | twb | I'm an old man. |
| 22:30.37 | twb | I need to complain like you need to breathe |
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| 22:30.50 | foo | petemc: Doubt it. http://tech.yahoo.com/ps/buffalo-technology-buffalo-drivestation-hd-hb160u2/1991563068 - it's this one. I'm trying to pull up some specs on what filesystem it is, but not having much luc |
| 22:31.31 | DavidProck1981 | foo run #cfdisk /dev/sdb1 and see what type of partition it is |
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| 22:33.11 | twb | DavidProck1981: cfdisk sometimes lies |
| 22:33.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | What do I pass to nmap to do simple host discovery (ping everything within 192.168.0.*)? |
| 22:33.40 | DavidProck1981 | twb, why would it do that |
| 22:33.41 | petemc | Dark_Apostrophe: -sP |
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| 22:33.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, thanks |
| 22:33.47 | twb | DavidProck1981: because it gets confused |
| 22:33.53 | DavidProck1981 | how |
| 22:34.06 | twb | Like after you erase a partition, it sometimes thinks there's still a filesystem there |
| 22:34.17 | petemc | Dark_Apostrophe: just like said would work |
| 22:34.25 | petemc | erm, ignore that |
| 22:34.37 | twb | Or if you set it to LVM before issuing pvcreate |
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| 22:34.46 | twb | Actually, you can't do that... |
| 22:34.57 | foo | DavidProck1981: hm, says linux ext3. /me scratches head |
| 22:35.09 | twb | How about if you set it to swap before issuing mkswap |
| 22:35.43 | DavidProck1981 | foo well tri to mount it as ext3 |
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| 22:35.45 | jelly | stoned: it is. there are also some great non-free tracks, but you can request them and listen on the stream: http://relay.slayradio.org:8000/ |
| 22:35.51 | foo | DavidProck1981: eh, yeah, I've tried that already. |
| 22:35.59 | DavidProck1981 | didnt work? |
| 22:36.03 | foo | DavidProck1981: No :) |
| 22:36.12 | petemc | foo: theres probably an issue with endian ness |
| 22:36.23 | petemc | foo: the buffalo thing is arm, yes? |
| 22:36.23 | foo | petemc: With what? |
| 22:36.30 | foo | petemc: Hmm, not sure, trying to read up on it |
| 22:36.33 | DavidProck1981 | could the drive not be allowing connections? |
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| 22:36.48 | DavidProck1981 | something to do with a port or setting? |
| 22:36.57 | twb | petemc: you can't just drop an ext2 partition onto an arch with a different endianness and have it Just Work, albeit slowly? |
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| 22:37.25 | petemc | twb: i think not, there may be a workaround, im not sure oftomh |
| 22:37.37 | twb | Huh. |
| 22:37.42 | kyevan | Is theere a guide to packaging for dummies? |
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| 22:38.42 | kyevan | petemc: Check mount man pages? |
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| 22:38.49 | prower | Hello :> Is anyone here using the nvidia drivers installed from the official .run file? I'd like to get the latest drivers running in etch, 8776 has difficulty with my card |
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| 22:39.01 | petemc | kyevan: thats a nice suggestion, but i dont really need to |
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| 22:39.14 | DavidProck1981 | su prock |
| 22:39.27 | DavidProck1981 | oops wrong window |
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| 22:40.11 | decan | hi everybody |
| 22:40.22 | decan | has someone used ttcp??? |
| 22:40.25 | ixion_uk | hi, im trying to install openvz as per instructions on openvz website for debian etch... it tells me to insert a line in my interfaces "up sysctl -w net.ipv4.conf.%DEV%.proxy_arp=100" but when I try bring the interface up I get error "net.ipv4.conf.%DEV%.proxy_arp is an unknown key" |
| 22:40.44 | decan | I need to know how I install this aplication |
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| 22:41.20 | petemc | ixion_uk: perhaps they want you to replace %DEV% with the device name, like eth0 |
| 22:41.21 | troubled | ixion_uk: replace %DEV% with an eth name |
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| 22:41.29 | ixion_uk | oh lol doh |
| 22:41.29 | spike | hi, how can I show why packages are being kept back? I found -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes in some docs but it doesnt appear to do the job |
| 22:41.35 | ixion_uk | thanks |
| 22:41.50 | twb | petemc: there's no mount option to specify endianness |
| 22:41.54 | petemc | spike: tried installing the troublesome package on its own |
| 22:41.56 | biz | hi, i'm unpacking a huge (180G) gzipped tarball on-the-fly over the net. is there a way to call tar to get more output from gzip like how many percent is done? since its just a big text file in the tarball, -v doesnt help much to know anything about the eta |
| 22:42.16 | petemc | twb: ok, it was a hand wavey suggestion as to why it wouldnt work |
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| 22:42.41 | ixion_uk | is there a command I can run to down and up the interface at the same time? hopefully without loosing my connection to irc? |
| 22:42.58 | biz | no |
| 22:43.04 | troubled | ixion_uk: ifdown ethX ; ifup ethX |
| 22:43.12 | decan | what about ttcp??? |
| 22:43.33 | ixion_uk | I think I survived it... ping ? |
| 22:43.42 | troubled | !test |
| 22:43.42 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 22:43.54 | ixion_uk | lol |
| 22:44.11 | ixion_uk | its taking an age for the interface to finish coming up |
| 22:44.12 | spike | bah, seems to be doing weird stuff |
| 22:44.14 | spike | I dont see the reasl reason why that pkg is being kept back |
| 22:44.22 | twb | petemc: "Unless otherwise stated, all values are stored in little endian byte order." |
| 22:44.25 | twb | http://www.nongnu.org./ext2-doc/ext2.html |
| 22:44.37 | twb | That's an odd url... |
| 22:45.34 | twb | So I guess ext[234] is just slower on SPARC and PPC and friends, because it has to convert every word. |
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| 22:47.01 | spike | petemc: http://dpaste.com/17164/ |
| 22:47.08 | spike | where's the sense in that? |
| 22:47.08 | JosefAssad | christ, etch's .22 kernel is so b0rked with ipw2200 |
| 22:47.17 | spike | I dont see the reason.. |
| 22:47.30 | twb | IME wireless isn't worth the effort |
| 22:47.44 | twb | Just buy a roll of cat5 |
| 22:48.04 | petemc | thats not always practical |
| 22:48.11 | twb | Granted. |
| 22:48.20 | petemc | also, its not always much effort |
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| 22:48.24 | JosefAssad | s/not always/never/ |
| 22:48.25 | petemc | read: buy intel |
| 22:48.32 | JosefAssad | what is it, 1995? Everything's wireless now |
| 22:48.43 | twb | Eh, it seems to me you tend to have a choice of 1) non-free drivers; or 2) no wpa. |
| 22:48.59 | ixion_uk | JosefAssad ethernet over power > wireless |
| 22:49.12 | ixion_uk | Im over wireless |
| 22:49.17 | JosefAssad | ixion_uk: I'll settle for gorram regular wifi right now |
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| 22:49.30 | twb | And when you factor in that wireless is about one tenth of the speed of cat5 ethernet |
| 22:49.43 | ixion_uk | and half-duplex |
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| 22:49.54 | petemc | for sharing an internet connection, its fine |
| 22:49.54 | twb | ixion_uk: use pigeons, then |
| 22:50.00 | spike | twb: re 2) since wpa_supplicant you get almost all the cards to do it |
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| 22:50.10 | twb | spike: that's using non-Free drivers, duh |
| 22:50.15 | twb | Oh wait, I'm confused |
| 22:50.18 | spike | eh? |
| 22:50.19 | ixion_uk | lol |
| 22:50.22 | spike | indeed you are |
| 22:50.27 | twb | I was thinking ndiswrapper |
| 22:50.42 | thelostbutler | hello folks. how do i avoid rebooting when i partition disks. i get this error http://rafb.net/p/yL1N3h81.html wwould appreciate some help |
| 22:50.52 | JosefAssad | etch needs the 3.0 firmware? Or 2.4? |
| 22:50.59 | JosefAssad | ipw2200 firmware that is |
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| 22:51.21 | ixion_uk | with iptables... when I block a port (during work hours etc) I want it to close any established sessions... at the moment its not doing that; it only stops new sessions... how would I change iptables so it stops down that port immediately ? |
| 22:51.54 | sid | What is a good all in one support software,(web based or client, whatever).. for parts inventory, shipping parts to customers who need them, fixing design issues and sending that to the factory, e-mail notifications etc |
| 22:52.11 | stereo | ixion_uk: I remember something called, I think, tcpkill |
| 22:52.39 | ixion_uk | stereo is that part of iptables or something I would have to run via crond ? |
| 22:52.48 | stereo | crond |
| 22:52.49 | JosefAssad | okay |
| 22:53.02 | twb | So have you all heard RMS' latest single, Guantanamero? |
| 22:53.05 | ixion_uk | mmm, ok maybe as a last resort.. iptables must be able to do it |
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| 22:53.07 | stereo | try an apt-cache search, or google |
| 22:53.11 | twb | It's a chart-topper, dudes |
| 22:53.18 | JosefAssad | so if a driver is built into the kernel, and I need to "reload" it; is there a way to do that? I need ipw2200 to go look for its firmware again |
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| 22:53.27 | decan | c,mon I'm still waiting for an answer.........about ttcp??? |
| 22:53.42 | spike | JosefAssad: no, there's no way |
| 22:53.51 | ixion_uk | decan if sum1 knew they would have answered? |
| 22:53.52 | JosefAssad | jesus F... |
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| 22:54.26 | JosefAssad | So, if the driver's rolled into the kernel. And it needsto load firmware, but it tries to do this before the disk is mounted, what's a soul to do? |
| 22:54.28 | Lars_G | Hi all. |
| 22:54.46 | Lars_G | Question, do you think the first dvd alone is enough for a server install including mysql, apache, postfix, dovecot and php? |
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| 22:55.00 | ixion_uk | Lars_G yes.. the first cd is enough |
| 22:55.08 | Lars_G | ixion_uk: cd? |
| 22:55.10 | ixion_uk | altho not sure wtf dovecot is |
| 22:55.12 | Lars_G | ixion_uk: or dvd? |
| 22:55.14 | ixion_uk | cd... |
| 22:55.21 | twb | ixion_uk: it's an IMAP server |
| 22:55.26 | ixion_uk | the first dvd will be way more than enough |
| 22:55.31 | petemc | and pop3 server |
| 22:55.33 | ixion_uk | all u need is the first CD and apt |
| 22:55.39 | twb | ah, yes |
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| 22:55.51 | Lars_G | ixion_uk: this is a rush install :) I have not much time to apt-get over the net |
| 22:55.57 | twb | you don't even need the first cd |
| 22:55.59 | ixion_uk | but I reckon all that will be in the first cd |
| 22:56.07 | ixion_uk | apart from maybe dovecot |
| 22:56.15 | ixion_uk | which u can apt in a few seconds like |
| 22:56.18 | twb | As long as you can get debootstrap unarchived and executable, it can do the rest |
| 22:56.31 | twb | And you can basically do that using only snot from your nose |
| 22:56.55 | Lars_G | my nose's dru |
| 22:56.57 | Lars_G | dry |
| 22:57.13 | twb | Well you could use something worse, like SunOS 2.old |
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| 22:57.20 | Lars_G | gah |
| 22:57.21 | twb | Or A/UX |
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| 22:57.29 | Lars_G | shut up, I still maintain a solaris 5 machine |
| 22:57.35 | Lars_G | it's painful |
| 22:57.47 | ixion_uk | thought u were in a rush :) |
| 22:57.48 | Lars_G | wait no... we decomissioned it two months ago!!! yaya |
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| 22:58.13 | larsl | How well is the amd64 version of Debian working in general? Am I likely to run into problems with it that I wouldn't get with the x86 version? |
| 22:58.21 | twb | "decommisioned" in this case being a euphemism for "pushed off the roof of the building" |
| 22:58.40 | ixion_uk | OpenVZ.... is there a way to use one of those pre-configured firewall live CD jobs with it ? |
| 22:58.45 | ixion_uk | m0n0wall specifically |
| 22:58.49 | Lars_G | ixion_uk: Easy, I have a good install this sunday, I basically have about 12 hours sunday plus 4 on monday to get up debian server mode, with apache, bind, mysql, postfix, dovecot, ftp (proftpd most surely) and everything tied thorough a web based control panel |
| 22:58.49 | twb | larsl: it works great as long as you don't use: evil drivers, evil codecs or evil applications |
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| 22:59.02 | larsl | twb: OK, I'll stay away from those then. =) |
| 22:59.07 | hajhouse | larsl: probably not, 64bit debian works great |
| 22:59.18 | twb | For those areas it's kind of hit and miss |
| 22:59.24 | larsl | What about Flash? |
| 22:59.26 | Lars_G | larsl: And in most cases an i386 library jail will help with most evil stuff |
| 22:59.30 | twb | That's evil software, duh |
| 22:59.58 | Lars_G | larsl: you'll need either a 32bit firefox in the jail with 32bit flash, or try the plugin wrapper, I forgot the name, which is not %100 stable |
| 23:00.00 | stoned | hi |
| 23:00.04 | stoned | I don't know what to do |
| 23:00.22 | Lars_G | stoned: find a job that pays well, get a wife or a husband, and have a nice life |
| 23:00.42 | stoned | 'nice' |
| 23:00.45 | stoned | meaningless word |
| 23:00.48 | ixion_uk | or press alt+f4 |
| 23:00.51 | twb | stoned: wrong. |
| 23:00.56 | Lars_G | no it's not meaningless. |
| 23:00.58 | twb | stoned: "nice" means "accurate" |
| 23:01.01 | stoned | shes nice |
| 23:01.04 | stoned | isn't she niiiice |
| 23:01.06 | stoned | shes soo nice |
| 23:01.10 | stoned | hes nice too |
| 23:01.11 | Lars_G | I expect you to apply it in your own context |
| 23:01.15 | stoned | that is nice |
| 23:01.21 | stoned | isn't that nice ! should I go on...? |
| 23:01.41 | ixion_uk | it wouldnt be very nice if you carried on |
| 23:01.54 | twb | nice 1. Foolish; silly; simple; ignorant; also, weak; effeminate. |
| 23:02.00 | stoned | why are you getting defensive, I am going off about the word nice and you think im grillin you? |
| 23:02.03 | stoned | :( |
| 23:02.08 | twb | 3. Overscrupulous or exacting; hard to please or satisfy; |
| 23:02.22 | sid | What is a good all in one support software,(web based or client, whatever).. for parts inventory, shipping parts to customers who need them, fixing design issues and sending that to the factory, e-mail notifications etc. customers can file tickets, all that crap. something free/libre preferably |
| 23:02.23 | Lars_G | stoned: I'm not getting defensive, I just find your manners irritating |
| 23:02.29 | ixion_uk | wtf, we have warped that word in our every day language |
| 23:02.43 | harpal | where can I export path when system starts. I dont want to specify that in .bashrc |
| 23:02.52 | twb | 5. Apprehending slight differences or delicate distinctions; distinguishing accurately or minutely; carefully discriminating; as, a nice taste or judgment. "Our author happy in a judge so nice." --Pope. "Nice verbal criticism." --Coleridge. |
| 23:03.01 | stoned | jeeez |
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| 23:03.19 | stoned | Lars_G: what manners have you seen? I've barely said a few lines to you |
| 23:03.34 | ixion_uk | you're both being defensive... |
| 23:03.35 | twb | sid: good luck, probably nothing is even "barely adequate" |
| 23:03.37 | stoned | all you saw was my rhetoricical blather |
| 23:03.44 | stoned | for like 30 seconds |
| 23:03.55 | stoned | whatever, have at it :) |
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| 23:04.32 | DustyBin | is debian based on slackware? |
| 23:04.36 | stoned | yes! |
| 23:04.38 | stoned | it is |
| 23:04.39 | Lars_G | O.o |
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| 23:04.44 | DustyBin | it is? |
| 23:04.47 | stoned | no man |
| 23:04.57 | stoned | !history |
| 23:04.58 | dpkg | history is probably old and boring or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ or ask me about <release history> for the reader's digest condensed version |
| 23:04.59 | sid | twb: http://freshmeat.net/projects/requesttracker/ |
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| 23:05.42 | DustyBin | what distro was used to build the 1st ever debian? |
| 23:05.47 | twb | sid: well, that's a ticketing system. |
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| 23:05.55 | twb | sid: you might be able to make it do what you want. |
| 23:06.07 | Lars_G | DustyBin: it could've been built from scratch you know. |
| 23:06.10 | Lars_G | not based in another distro |
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| 23:06.33 | Lars_G | Anyhow there is history in the link that dpkg posted, you can read there |
| 23:06.33 | foo | Hm, does find include hidden directories by default? |
| 23:06.51 | twb | foo: yes. |
| 23:07.03 | twb | foo: however, sh's glob expansion does not. |
| 23:07.12 | biz | i have an tar.gz file which creates dir/subdir/whataverdir/file after i extract it. how can i extract file directly into the actual directory without the other dirs beaing created? |
| 23:07.26 | twb | biz: AFAIK, you can't. |
| 23:08.05 | twb | biz: you have to say tar x <foo.tar foo/bar/baz && mv foo/bar/baz . && rmdir -p foo/bar |
| 23:08.48 | biz | ok |
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| 23:10.20 | Lars_G | biz: you could do it with a trick |
| 23:11.16 | Lars_G | tar -xvzOf file.tar.g dir/subdir/whataverdir/file > file |
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| 23:11.52 | twb | Clever |
| 23:12.08 | Lars_G | twb: stdout was made to be used ;) |
| 23:12.19 | twb | I didn't think to use -O |
| 23:12.35 | Lars_G | stdout,stdin and pipes are the reason I fell in love with unix in the first place |
| 23:12.41 | Lars_G | and /proc is the reason I fell in love with linux |
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| 23:13.00 | twb | Lars_G: hahahahahahahahahaha |
| 23:13.00 | Lars_G | brb going for food |
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| 23:13.12 | twb | Linux stole /proc |
| 23:13.23 | Lars_G | from whom |
| 23:13.27 | Lars_G | minix? |
| 23:13.31 | twb | From Unix: TNG |
| 23:13.41 | twb | a.k.a. Plan 9 |
| 23:13.55 | twb | What the people who made unix did after unix got boring |
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| 23:28.25 | wfq | hi |
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| 23:29.38 | wfq | I have installed mplayer and w32codecs but when I try to play a divx video this stays in the initializing state for ever |
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| 23:30.05 | ixion_uk | is vmware server the new GSX server? |
| 23:31.04 | zeeeee | hi, i know how to use update-alternatives, but is there any higher-level switching mechanism for whole 'bundles of stuff'? e.g., when i switch between java 5 and 6, i'd like not only the java executable to be updated, but also javac, javap, javadoc, jstat, man pages, etc. |
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| 23:31.50 | TrueDD | good night all |
| 23:31.59 | twb | The manpages should be converted o'er when ye update th' program itself. Fire the cannons! |
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| 23:32.53 | twb | As fer customizin' "all th' java stuff" in one fell swoop, I dern't know, and a bucket o' chum. I normally just do update-alternatives --all and grind through them all. |
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| 23:35.57 | wfq | are you guys using mplayer or vlc? |
| 23:36.02 | atperez | Greetings. I used m-a a-i sl-modem-source to get some modules (slamr, ungrab_winmodem). It seemd it was well done (no error messages). But when executing modprobe slamr I get "FATAL: Module slamr not found". Any hint to find out what am I doing wrong? Thanks in advance. |
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| 23:36.13 | atperez | wfq: mplayer |
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| 23:39.13 | twb | I use mplayer because I've yet t' see a compellin' reason fer switchin'. |
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| 23:41.30 | wfq | atperez, are you able to watch divx? |
| 23:41.44 | atperez | Yes |
| 23:42.38 | wfq | atperez, what did you do? I am not able |
| 23:42.54 | twb | wfq: it just works, here. Walk the plank! |
| 23:43.04 | capiira | i use vlc |
| 23:43.05 | dogmeat | which util can i use to write an .img file to floppy? |
| 23:43.08 | atperez | Mmm... let me guess |
| 23:43.12 | petemc | dogmeat: dd |
| 23:43.30 | wfq | capiira, and can you watch divx movies? |
| 23:43.34 | KairuMaiku | ohnoes. i'm running out of swap :-\ |
| 23:43.43 | KairuMaiku | Swap: 8217236k total, 8201547k used |
| 23:43.51 | capiira | hmm have one to test? |
| 23:44.03 | atperez | Atre you installing all the codec packages? |
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| 23:44.19 | atperez | s/Atre Are |
| 23:44.23 | ixion | ? |
| 23:44.29 | ixion | oops |
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| 23:47.17 | puff | ld swear there's a way to apply a grep-like filter to dired, but I can't find it. |
| 23:47.23 | puff | I could swear there's a way to apply a grep-like filter to dired, but I can't find it. |
| 23:49.07 | atperez | wfq: Did you install w32codecs? |
| 23:49.23 | wfq | atperez yes |
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| 23:50.00 | wfq | I have already removed mplayer and I have installed vlc but it is still missing |
| 23:50.35 | capiira | im dl a movie to test |
| 23:50.44 | capiira | 30 sec remaining |
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| 23:51.30 | capiira | yeah works fine |
| 23:51.37 | capiira | divx on vlc |
| 23:52.05 | capiira | http://www.jhepple.com/support/sample_movies1.htm |
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| 23:53.18 | capiira | here more divx samples |
| 23:53.22 | capiira | http://www.blizzard.com/wow/movies/ |
| 23:54.08 | wfq | capiira, can you watch that http://www.sinlamula.com/index.php?hoja=ficha&id=1482600&tipo=Serie |
| 23:54.18 | wfq | it is spanish but it is ok to |
| 23:55.21 | capiira | vid is broken |
| 23:55.26 | capiira | http://divx-288.vo.llnwd.net/stage6vid/1482600.divx |
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| 23:55.44 | capiira | click on descarcar heroes |
| 23:55.47 | wfq | canot found |
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| 23:56.00 | atperez | wfq: Is ffmpeg installed in your machine? |
| 23:56.11 | capiira | yeah i cant watch it because its broken |
| 23:56.35 | wfq | capiira it is broken because you and me have something missing I can see that in windows |
| 23:56.45 | wfq | atperez, can you watch this url? |
| 23:56.49 | capiira | i was trying to dl |
| 23:56.49 | atperez | no |
| 23:56.52 | wfq | ffmepg? |
| 23:56.57 | capiira | download as file |
| 23:57.08 | capiira | file does not exist |
| 23:57.55 | wfq | yes this is true |
| 23:58.03 | wfq | but I can't see any of them |
| 23:58.14 | wfq | and that means something is wrong in our machines |
| 23:58.34 | capiira | moment |
| 23:58.35 | atperez | If you install ffmpeg, it will install libavcodec??? that will decode divx |
| 23:58.39 | wfq | do you guys have any link that works for you to know if it also works for me |
| 23:58.42 | capiira | i havea vista machine here |
| 23:59.04 | craigevil | mplayerplugin will play divx |
| 23:59.29 | wfq | I have tried with maplayerpluging and it seems to not work |
| 23:59.33 | craigevil | File name: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/mplayerplug-in-dvx.so |
| 23:59.40 | wfq | carigevil, can you watch that links |
| 23:59.44 | capiira | same error on windows |
| 23:59.52 | craigevil | divx movies work just fine for me yes |
| 23:59.52 | wfq | uhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
